[09:50] <armin76> Ubulette: looks like it's cairo...
[09:52] <asac_the_2nd> ole
[09:52] <armin76> hi asac
[09:52] <asac_the_2nd> whats going on :)?
[09:53] <armin76> http://omploader.org/vYjN6
[09:53] <armin76> http://dev.gentoo.org/~maekke/ff3.png
[09:54] <asac_the_2nd> whats wrong with that?
[09:54] <armin76> zoom
[09:54] <armin76> it autozooms
[09:54] <armin76> and as you can see, the icons of the browser look ugly as well
[09:55] <asac_the_2nd> the icons are from winstripe theme? or is that native?
[09:55] <armin76> gnome
[09:56] <asac_the_2nd> the shading is ugly?
[09:56] <asac_the_2nd> oir what do you mean?
[09:57] <armin76> i mean that the icons are zoomed as well
[09:57] <asac_the_2nd> ah
[09:57] <armin76> and the zooming is auto
[09:57] <armin76> ctrl+0 doesn't fix it
[09:58] <armin76> doesn't happen with the binary from mozilla.org
[09:58] <armin76> so i've disabled using system cairo, and the guy told me it's fixed
[09:58] <armin76> cairo upstream doesn't like the mozilla hacks :(
[09:58] <asac_the_2nd> cairo is ahead of what mozilla ships?
[09:58] <armin76> yeah
[09:59] <armin76> mozilla ships an snapshot of 1.5.2, and latest is 1.5.6
[09:59] <armin76> http://dev.gentoo.org/~leio/firefox3-rendering.png
[10:00] <armin76> without patching it, that's what you get
[10:00] <armin76> you have to do the 24 -> 8 thing
[10:00] <armin76> but cairo upstream is not happy with that hack
[10:01] <asac_the_2nd> yeah ... cairo is crazy anyway ... i remember that when 1.4.0 came out it didn't have much in common with the latest 1.3.x version
[10:01] <armin76> http://dev.gentoo.org/~maekke/ff3.png
[10:01] <armin76> i have that problem now
[10:01] <asac_the_2nd> hmm
[10:01] <armin76> the zooming one and the bad rendering it's fixed when using internal cairo
[10:02] <asac_the_2nd> i think vlad told me that they will take the 24x8 patch
[10:02] <armin76> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=669262
[10:03] <asac_the_2nd> thanks
[10:04] <asac_the_2nd> i will bug our X guy
[10:04] <armin76> i think it's due to xorg
[10:04] <armin76> have to check it
[10:05] <armin76> have to check first the unaligned access patch...
[10:07] <asac_the_2nd> where did you get that from?
[10:09] <armin76> the patch from my bug
[10:09] <asac_the_2nd> gentoo should dump sparc :-P
[10:09] <armin76> mozilla bug 413143
[10:09] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 413143 in ImageLib "trunk is broken(sigbus) on SPARC since 20071221" [Normal,Assigned] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=413143
[10:09] <asac_the_2nd> better focus on m68k :)
[10:10] <armin76> there's m68k as well :P
[10:11] <armin76> http://rafb.net/p/dAl4dM26.html
[10:11] <asac_the_2nd> i know ... thats why i said "focus" :)
[10:12] <asac_the_2nd> at leastyou appear not to care if all packages are available on all archs before releasing
[10:13] <armin76> because we test them :P
[10:13] <asac_the_2nd> what the hell is ppc-macos
[10:13] <asac_the_2nd> ?
[10:13] <asac_the_2nd> older ppc ?
[10:14] <armin76> err, no
[10:14] <armin76> using portage on macos
[10:15] <asac_the_2nd> and sh?
[10:16] <armin76> superh
[10:16] <armin76> dreamcast? :P
[10:17] <armin76> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/gentoo-alt/prefix/index.xml
[10:17] <armin76> i've seen a lot of keywords, like ~ia64-hpux, ~macos-x86, ~x86-solaris, etc etc
[10:18] <armin76> but they're not in the main tree, in fact ppc-macos is getting moved from the tree to the overlay
[10:18] <asac_the_2nd> sounds reasonable :)
[10:21] <armin76> Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz)
 haubi * r15925 proj/alt/trunk/prefix-overlay/dev-libs/expat/ (Manifest expat-2.0.1.ebuild):
 fixed for and keyworded ~x86-interix
[10:21] <armin76> wtf is interix? :D
[10:24] <asac_the_2nd> jimmy_: i thought it doesn't matter which distribution is currently named in changelog ... so why do you always go back to gaston in git?
[10:25] <asac_the_2nd> jimmy_: in the end i don't mind, just wondering.
[10:26] <asac_the_2nd> i can just mindmap gaston == UNRELEASED :)
[11:44] <armin76> asac_the_2nd: Ubulette: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=669262 <- seems to happen only with latest xorg
[11:44] <armin76> in gentoo we have 1.3 stable, and this doesn't happen
[11:49] <asac_the_2nd> armin76: one of our X guys sent it upstream
[11:49] <asac_the_2nd> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/182038
[11:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182038 in xserver-xorg-video-nv "Black rectangle instead of image in FF3 [Hardy]" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[19:28] <Ubulette> hi
[19:29] <armin76> yo
[19:29] <armin76> Ubulette: you know the black rectangles stuff?
[19:30] <armin76> ubuntu bug 182038?
[19:30] <Ubulette> i don't see it using X drivers fglrx and nvidia
[19:30] <armin76> well, whatever
[19:30] <Ubulette> bug 182038
[19:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182038 in xserver-xorg-video-nv "Black rectangle instead of image in FF3 [Hardy]" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182038
[19:31] <armin76> i have an user with an i810, using open source driver
[19:31] <armin76> with 2.1.1 it's broken, with 2.2.2 it's not
[19:37] <Ubulette> 2.2.2 ?
[19:37] <Ubulette> xserver-xorg-video-nv | 1:2.1.6-1ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main Sources
[19:37] <Ubulette> we have 2.1.6
[19:37] <armin76> i'm talking about i810 :P
[19:37] <Ubulette> oh
[22:56] <saivann> asac : if you're here : I didn't have any news from the upstream translator for sunbird and lightning-extension for mk locale, did he send you something?


[00:00] <xsaidx> if there no kernel theres nethin
[00:00] <lalala> ok thanks ... sounds positive
[00:01] <xsaidx> lalala: what you mean by content ?
[00:02] <xsaidx> lalala: if you mean source code you can get it by apt-get
[00:02] <xsaidx> but i assume u dont want that tho lalala righ
[00:03] <lalala> i found a content list for the puredyne xubuntu remix live cd here:
[00:03] <lalala> http://download.goto10.org/puredyne/carrot_and_coriander/puredyne-911-carrot_and_coriander-CD-i386.packages
[00:03] <lalala> im looking for something similiar for lubuntu
[00:04] <lalala> so i can guess better what is included in lubuntu, what it supports
[00:06] <xsaidx> well lalala lubuntu its the cooler and lighteri guess archlinux its lighter but never test it
[00:07] <xsaidx> lalala: simalar to lubuntu doesnt exist cus lubuntu its juste greate
[00:10] <lalala> :)  i i believe the same . thats why i want to have it . how can i see before installing what kind of devices it supports?  xsaidx:  before you came i already said:  i found a driver for the touchpad that is usefull with linux kernel 2.6 plus X window
[00:11] <lalala> sometimes it only works by rebuild the kernel ... im really newbi ...  does it sound like its usefull for lubuntu?
[00:11] <xsaidx> lalala: lubuntu supports most type of pcs as i kno you can google what you lookin for
[00:12] <lalala> :)
[00:12] <xsaidx> keep in mind google is u friend lalala
[00:12] <lalala> i know man
[00:12] <xsaidx> well i gtg just google  how to compile o sumthin
[00:12] <xsaidx> good luck
[00:12] <lalala> thank you
[00:12] <lalala> you too
[00:13] <lalala> xsaid  with fancontrol you can at least find out if its the fan, without opening
[00:13] <lalala> oh
[00:13] <lalala> gone
[00:13] <lalala> lalala
[02:22] <lalala> hey all    is there a live-cd version for Lubuntu?
[02:23] <h4ckm3> yes
[02:23] <h4ckm3> you can run live on the stock lubunto image
[02:24] <lalala> i downloaded lubuntu mini.iso     so i can boot this from cd and try without installing/ eg.   without changing anything on my harddrive?
[02:26] <h4ckm3> yep
[02:26] <lalala> super  merci
[02:27] <h4ckm3> there should be a bunch of boot options right at boot
[02:27] <h4ckm3> "try lubuntu" should be the one at the very top
[02:29] <lalala> thanks a lot  i gonna give it a try
[02:35] <lalala> hi  im back .. tryed  didnt work
[02:36] <lalala> i downloaded    mini.iso from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu
[02:37] <lalala> booting from the cd   ... appears only install option
[02:38] <lalala> the logo is the Ubuntu logo
[02:38] <lalala> where can i get a portable live cd version of Lubuntu?
[02:40] <Unit193> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/11.10/release/
[02:46] <lalala> thank you
[02:49] <lalala> on a live cd start i cant install additional programs? for that i have to istall Lubuntu on my harddrive?
[02:56] <holstein> lalala: you can try
[02:56] <holstein> if they fit, they fit
[02:57] <holstein> i find i can get away with installing some things
[03:00] <lalala> ok, once i had installed Ubuntu parallel to Win7,  it was easy (starting the install in Win ---> bootmanager came out)        can i use lubuntu parallel to win7 and easy install/uninstall it?
[03:00] <holstein> lalala: depends
[03:01] <holstein> bascially, ubuntu = lubuntu
[03:01] <holstein> and so on...
[03:01] <lalala> yes i undesrstand this now
[03:01] <lalala> but it depends on what? how can i do?
[03:04] <holstein> lalala: depends on how you do it... you can break things
[03:05] <holstein> i would first update everything
[03:05] <holstein> then, i would shrink my windows partition down, and think about how i would grow it back out (if needed)
[03:05] <holstein> i would think about how i would recover the MBR... fixbmr or whatever the command is from the windows install disc
[03:05] <holstein> then, i would let linux install to the free space
[03:06] <holstein> you can do all that from within the lubuntu installer
[03:07] <lalala> ok
[03:07] <holstein> !grub2
[03:07] <holstein> ^ i would read that and know what is happening with the boot loader, and hwy
[03:07] <holstein> why*
[03:09] <lalala> great thank you
[06:12] <witeds> duno if this is the right place i was wondering if there is a way to setup a computer so that you could connect to the same profile form any linux computer in the house that shares the same lan network
[06:16] <bioterror> yes
[06:16] <bioterror> maybe easiest way is to have a server/router
[06:16] <bioterror> what ever you call it
[06:17] <bioterror> and mount with NFS the home directory
[06:17] <bioterror> does it make sense?
[06:17] <bioterror> that's how I would do it
[06:17] <witeds> a little
[06:18] <bioterror> as I dont have a Sun Ray thin clients ;)
[06:18] <witeds> was just somthing that i was thinking to night if my main computer gose down i was thinking wouldent it be nice to have every thing on just a simpel server computer and use any desktop  with a linux os to connect to my profile
[06:18] <witeds> could save me some reinstalls
[06:19] <bioterror> if you have one computer 24/7/365 on, and it has a RAID setup, why not then
[06:20] <bioterror> all you need to do is just fix your /etc/fstab to mount that home partition with NFS
[06:20] <witeds> usualy leave my computers on 24/7 and my main desktop gets reset once a day to make sure it stays some what fresh rame and swap space wise
[06:21] <bioterror> are you using windows or what? I only reboot when I have to and it's kernel updates
[06:23] <witeds> i am using linux but on an emachine el 1200 budget pc and i play games and other things that some times fill up ram enough that my computer slows down
[06:23] <bioterror> Linux caches RAM
[06:24] <witeds> duno what it is have you ever played secondlife
[06:24] <bioterror> I only play angry birds
[06:25] <witeds> yea i also play stuff like mine craft and other various games and ocasionaly things tend to slow down and lagg up a bit
[06:25] <witeds> thats when i restart it helps atleast
[06:30] <bioterror> actually
[06:30] <bioterror> yeah, nfs is smartest way
[06:30] <witeds> thanks for clearing that up and making it clear i was sure if it was going to be that esy and was having a hard time wording it for the search engins
[10:36] <`marianne`> hiya :) i'm having a bit of a problem setting up dual monitors in lubuntu... there's no option for it in the monitor config tool, and when i installed AMD's proprietary graphics driver hoping to use amdcccle to config it... well, amdcccle just crashes every time i try to hit "apply" or "ok"
[12:55] <amin`> hello guys
[12:55] <amin`> i just finished installing lubuntu and let me say it is Nice
[12:56] <amin`> and I want to ask what package it uses for notifications " like when networkmanager connect to a wireless connection and or when GNOME Mplayer opens a file"
[15:31] <amin`> guys; in lubuntu; what is the package in charge of notification? like when the gnome mplayer shows that it opened the file or networkmanager when connect to a wirless
[15:35] <holstein> amin`: i forget, but i found it somewhere like synaptic
[15:36] <holstein> i swapped out the one in xubuntu for the one from main ubuntu
[15:36] <amin`> holstein:  what was ke keyword
[15:36] <holstein> notification, pretty sure
[15:37] <holstein> nofityOSD ?
[15:37] <holstein> i think thats the one i switched to
[15:37] <amin`> holstein:  you mean that was something else and you changed it
[15:38] <holstein> amin`: whatever the ones that come with xubuntu are, i chagned them to the ones that come with normal ubuntu
[15:38] <holstein> nofityosd
[15:41] <amin`> holstein:  friend; right now i have notification-daemon in stalled on my fresh install
[15:41] <holstein> cool... that sounds like it
[15:44] <david_j_r> Does anyone know if ibus ships with Lubuntu (Oneiric)? http://code.google.com/p/ibus/
[15:46] <david_j_r> OK - it looks like "not" - just checked in Synaptic (should have done before)
[15:46] <david_j_r> and it's listed, but not installed.
[15:47] <david_j_r> So obvious next question: anyone out there using ibus on Lubuntu?
[16:35] <amin`> holstein:  is notifyosd the lib or the api i mean it is the underlining  substructure or that bubbly stuff?
[16:35] <holstein> amin`: im not sure... it pulls in what it needs, but i dont recall what or how much it pulled in
[16:36] <holstein> amin`: someone in my local LUG helped me out with it
[16:36] <holstein> lemme see if he is around...
[16:36] <holstein> nah...
[16:37] <amin`> holstein:  could you do me a favor
[16:37] <holstein> amin`: whats up
[16:37] <amin`> what exactly you installed with notifyosd? (the dependencies)
[16:38] <holstein> amin`: i dont have that machine with me, and im not on buntu
[16:38] <holstein> i have access to lucid remotely...
[16:40] <holstein> amin`: i would look at apt-rdepends
[16:40] <holstein> http://www.debianadmin.com/recursively-lists-package-dependencies-using-apt-rdepends.html
[17:05] <benoliver999> I'm looking to get flux working on lubuntu. Seems to work fine on ubuntu, but I can't get it going here.
[17:06] <benoliver999> It does say that it'll only work if I'm 'running X on console'. I'm a n00b and don't know what that really means.
[17:07] <xsaidx> benoliver999: whats flux ?
[17:09] <benoliver999> It's an awesome little app that changes the screen colour based on what time of day it is.
[17:09] <benoliver999> Redices glare.
[17:10] <benoliver999> Reduces*
[17:10] <benoliver999> There's a gui but I use the command line version which is very simple.
[17:12] <xsaidx> benoliver999: you mean f.lux you try redshift if you cant make that f.flus work
[17:12] <xsaidx> f.lux
[17:12] <xsaidx> i use myself redshift and its cool tho
[17:12] <Myrtti> yup
[17:13] <benoliver999> Thanks for the advice, I'll look into it. Same thing?
[17:13] <Myrtti> pretty much
[17:17] <benoliver999> OK, another wuestion - how do I run a command on startup?
[17:20] <benoliver999> Sorry to bother you, I found it.
[17:20] <benoliver999> Thanks for the help.
[18:28] <amin`> right now ubuntu and lubuntu use right now ? notify-osd or notification-daemon?
[18:31] <wxl> amin`: the latter
[20:13] <Soojin> what method are people using in lubuntu to get random wallpaper changing after a few minutes?
[20:16] <bioterror> what's the benefit?
[20:16] <holstein> i would think http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php?topic=87784.0 would work
[20:17] <Myrtti> wallch might do the trick
[20:17] <Myrtti> it's in the repos
[20:19] <holstein> i would go with that then Soojin ^^... wallch
[20:19] <Soojin> hmm it only changes the bottom
[20:19] <Soojin> it's like the bottom application bar and the desktop are two sessions which this script doesn't understand
[20:26] <Soojin> here you can see http://i.imgur.com/pqxeU.jpg
[20:27] <Soojin> the bottom is another wallpaper while the desktop stands static
[20:29] <psychx-> How can I check for problems? Yesterday the lubuntu/pc was running fine - and when I turned it on today, everything is running poorly. For example, the first few times I tried to boot up, it either went to a black screen or into a text-only "terminal" style session. I'm finally on the GUI now, but everything is choppy. My mouse cursor/arrow freezes every few seconds, songs skip when played, etc.. I also couldn't find my external hard drive,
[20:29] <psychx-> even after unplugging it from USB and plugging it back in. I had to reboot to see it, which is where I'm at now.
[20:34] <psychx-> Should I reinstall or what?
[20:35] <holstein> psychx-: i would start testing hardware
[20:35] <Myrtti> boot to grub menu with pressing shift at boot, and run memtest for a few hours
[20:35] <Myrtti> better yet, overnight
[20:36] <psychx-> ok i have work in an hour so ill do it before i leave for work
[20:36] <holstein> i would try letting a live CD run for a while.. determine if its the intallation, the hard drive, or other hardware
[21:16] <speckmade> hey - I've got similar problems on several machines with lubuntu with pre-boot authentication and an encrypted LVM. Most annoying: GUI doesn't start.
[21:17] <speckmade> Is it a known problem? Pointers to useful resources appreciated...
[21:18] <speckmade> The system starts up after password entry till there are the two messages "* Starting NTP server ntpd .... [OK]"
[21:18] <speckmade> an "* Starting bluetooth .... [OK]"
[21:19] <speckmade> then nothing else happens on tty7.
[21:19] <speckmade> on tty1 we logged in and tried to start lxdm manually (sudo lxdm) - nothing happening.
[21:20] <speckmade> The same system as a live system (without the encryption) works fine on this same machine.
[22:10] <ftn> Hey there. On the start menu, I have a bunch of entries for games I installed a while a go. Is there a way to re-generate the menu?, please
[22:12] <Unit193> As you didn't say, I have3 to ask if you uninstalled the games, did you?


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[15:48] <dobbicorp> hi, so, right now i'm installing my web-server so, should i install minimized version?
[15:48] <dobbicorp> from ubuntu-server iso
[15:59] <tomreyn> dobbicorp: this choice is entirely up to you.
[16:01] <ogra> adding stuff is usually easier than removing though ...
[17:04] <feurig> also just note that ceph is not on the table given our organizations previous experiences.
[17:07] <arraybolt3[m]> feurig: Wrong channel?
[17:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Or maybe some stuff didn't come through to Matrix...
[17:51] <feurig> yep.
[17:53] <feurig> This was open when I logged in. It took so long to log in that I was trying to reset the login screen.
[17:53] <feurig> sorry.
[18:06] <Liver_K> hey does 22.04 LTS automatically reboot to upadte kernel packages by default?
[18:11] <ogra> no
[18:11] <Liver_K> then why did mine?
[18:12] <Liver_K> i didnt change that setting, if it even exists
[18:15] <ogra> it does exist in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades ... but is off by default
[18:50] <Liver_K> hmmmm
[18:51] <Liver_K> do the lines with the distro id and codename as allowed origins for unattended upgrades mean that it will automatically upgrade distro packages like the kernel packages?
[18:51] <Liver_K> idk just tell me what that means
[18:51] <patdk-lap> kernel packages are not upgrades
[18:51] <patdk-lap> they are new versions
[18:54] <Liver_K> so then what would be the setting to upgrade those automatically?
[19:00] <rbasak> Liver_K: by default, it'll automatically upgrade packages only if they're published in the security pocket. That generally happens if there's a security issue that would be fixed by the update, but there are exceptions.
[19:00] <rbasak> In general this means that most users won't automatically get non-security-related updates.
[19:00] <rbasak> However kernels are an exception. Kernel updates run on a three week cadence and at leaset historically nearly always contained security related fixes, so they get published to the security pocket regardless.
[19:01] <Liver_K> what? your message showed up weird, i saw it from "the security pocket" til the end and i didnt see who its from
[19:01] <rbasak> Liver_K: by default, it'll automatically upgrade packages only if they're published in the security pocket. That generally happens if there's a security issue that would be fixed by the update, but there are exceptions.
[19:01] <rbasak> In general this means that most users won't automatically get non-security-related updates.
[19:01] <rbasak> However kernels are an exception. Kernel updates run on a three week cadence and at leaset historically nearly always contained security related fixes, so they get published to the security pocket regardless.
[19:01] <rbasak> Better?
[19:01] <Liver_K> ah yes i see it now
[19:02] <rbasak> (I just sent the same messages again)
[19:02] <Liver_K> yup
[19:03] <Liver_K> so that means kernel upgrades will be applied automatically?
[19:03] <Liver_K> (confirmation of what i think i understand)
[19:05] <rbasak> I believe so, yes. But you do need to reboot for that to take effect (or subscribe to Ubuntu Pro to get livepatch)
[19:06] <Liver_K> will the system will be rebooted automatically one kernel upgrades are applied automatically?
[19:06] <rbasak> So without livepatch, relying on unattended-upgrades to upgrade your kernels doesn't make much sense.
[19:06] <rbasak> No
[19:06] <rbasak> Though there's an option for that too, I think.
[19:06] <Liver_K> hm well that is what happened
[19:07] <rbasak> There are some options in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades
[19:07] <rbasak> But the default is to not just reboot
[19:07] <Liver_K> even after kernel upgrades?
[19:07] <rbasak> Correct.
[19:08] <patdk-lap> there is a reboot option on auto-update
[19:08] <Liver_K> that is strange cause i updated my package db and saw 4 kernel package upgrades and when i updated the motd it said a restart was required, then i logged out and when i logged in again the upgradable package list was empty, and the motd no longer said a restart was required
[19:09] <Liver_K> and i am almost certain i havent set any options for automatically doing anything with upgrading packages
[19:12] <rbasak> I think it's likely you have some local configuration doing that then, that is not the default. If you don't think so, then please provide steps to reproduce the issue on a fresh installation.
[19:13] <rbasak> None of my many server instances randomly reboot :)
[19:13] <Liver_K> well it could also be that somehow the message just disappeared without it rebooting
[19:13] <Liver_K> wait a minute
[19:15] <Liver_K> if the kernel upgrades are automatically installed, like they should be by default, and a restart is required, maybe I just restarted it for something else and didnt remember and then when i logged back on it had already finished the upgrade and the restart
[19:36] <Liver_K> what there are ads in apt upgrade now
[19:36] <Liver_K> can i get rid of that asap?
[19:36] <patdk-lap> I suppose you could get ride of them, I have never had them
[19:37] <patdk-lap> have only seen ads when using npm
[19:37] <sdeziel> Liver_K: `sudo rm /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20apt-esm-hook.conf` should work
[19:38] <rbasak> Liver_K: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-advantage-tools/+bug/1992026
[19:38] -ubottu:#ubuntu-server- Launchpad bug 1992026 in ubuntu-advantage-tools (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Pro APT integration is a bit much" [Critical, In Progress]
[19:38] <rbasak> Yeah what sdeziel said
[19:38] <Liver_K> well it looks like this
[19:38] <Liver_K> root@livers-server:~# apt upgrade
[19:38] <Liver_K> Reading package lists... Done
[19:38] <Liver_K> Building dependency tree... Done
[19:38] <Liver_K> Reading state information... Done
[19:38] <Liver_K> Calculating upgrade... Done
[19:38] <Liver_K> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[19:38] <Liver_K>   eatmydata libeatmydata1 python-babel-localedata python3-babel python3-certifi python3-jinja2 python3-json-pointer python3-jsonpatch
[19:38] <Liver_K>   python3-jsonschema python3-markupsafe python3-pyrsistent python3-requests python3-tz python3-urllib3
[19:38] <Liver_K> Use 'apt autoremove' to remove them.
[19:38] <Liver_K> Try Ubuntu Pro beta with a free personal subscription on up to 5 machines.
[19:38] <Liver_K> Learn more at https://ubuntu.com/pro
[19:38] <Liver_K> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[19:38] <Liver_K> root@livers-server:~#
[19:38] <rbasak> !flood
[19:38] <patdk-lap> ah, I haven't seen that, but I don't have the esm installed anywhere
[19:39] <sdeziel> patdk-lap: the conf file is shipped by the ubuntu-advantage-tools
[19:39] <patdk-lap> ya, not installed here
[19:40] <patdk-lap> oh, minimal depends on it now
[19:44] <Liver_K> !pastebinit
[19:46] <Liver_K> what is it talking about command lines for?
[19:46] <Liver_K> this is a chat dialog not a shell
[19:47] <sarnold> all your output came from a shell
[19:47] <Liver_K> well is my input starting with "!" going into a shell?
[19:49] <sarnold> words starting with a ! on irc ask the bot to regurgitate a factoid
[19:49] <Liver_K>  so am i using a shell when i do that or what
[19:54] <sarnold> the shell also has a ! mechanism to re-run previous commands
[19:56] <Liver_K> so yes it is a shell?
[19:57] <sarnold> i haven't got a clue what you're actually trying to do
[19:57] <Liver_K> im trying to get information
[19:57] <sarnold> you pasted way too much data here and someone suggested you should use a pastebin site for it
[19:57] <sarnold> that's solid advice
[19:57] <Liver_K> i am talking about the !pastebinit bot command
[19:57] <Liver_K> and how it says it is some sort of cli tool
[19:58] <Liver_K> which is confusing
[20:00] <sarnold> pastebinit is a shell command; it's also pretty broken :( all the pastebin servers have changed their requirements since it was packaged, and now it's not very useful
[20:00] <Liver-K> is it saying i have to install some sort of 3rd party package to automatically make pastebins in here, or is it saying that the bot command itself is a cli tool and the bot command interface is somehow a shell or something?
[20:13] <Liver_K> sarnold?
[20:15] <JanC> if pastebinit is broken, you should file a bug report  :)
[20:16] <Liver_K> no i dont know what it does
[20:16] <Liver_K> or how to use it
[20:17] <sarnold> JanC: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pastebinit/+bug/1812232  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pastebinit/+bug/1917500  etc
[20:17] -ubottu:#ubuntu-server- Launchpad bug 1812232 in pastebinit (Ubuntu Eoan) "Deprecation warnings" [Medium, Fix Released]
[20:17] -ubottu:#ubuntu-server- Launchpad bug 1917500 in pastebinit (Ubuntu) "pastebin.com as a fallback errors with HTTP 405s" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[20:17] <sarnold> JanC: after paste.ubuntu.com switched to requiring logins, most people switched to using | nc termbin.com 9999  or paste.debian.net
[20:17] <Liver_K> correction, i can guess what it does, i want to know what it IS
[20:18] <JanC> eh, why is is the Ubuntu pastebin requiring login now?
[20:19] <sdeziel> JanC: IIRC it was because of some abuse and/or copyrighted stuff being published
[20:19] <sarnold> JanC: there was way too much abuse
[20:19] <JanC> also, pastebinit should be fixed to not use paste.ubuntu.com by default then
[20:21] <JanC> also, if I wanted to publish copyrighted stuff on Canonical infrastructure I could also just use Launchpad or whatever  :P
[20:21] <sarnold> yeah, people abuse that too
[20:21] <sarnold> but the pastebin site got way more abuse and required a lot more time to deal with
[20:21] <JanC> or forums or ...
[20:22] <JanC> couldn't they require login to paste instead of to view?
[20:22] <sarnold> it does
[20:23] <JanC> hm, I just pasted something?
[20:23] <sarnold> the sso system doesn't prompt *all* the time, you were probably already logged in recently or something. I get "Please log in to create a paste." when I visit https://paste.ubuntu.com/
[20:24] <Liver_K> so no ones gonna tell me what this "pastebinit" thing is or how to use it?
[20:24] <JanC> I used pastebinit to paste
[20:24] <JanC> it didn't ask me to login?
[20:24] <sdeziel> I /think/ that if you paste anonymously, the readers will have to auth?
[20:25] <Liver_K> bbl
[20:25] <JanC> ah, yes, that's possible
[20:25] <JanC> so what is really needed is for pastebinit to be able to login?
[20:27] <JanC> (or some other tool)
[20:29] <JanC> seems like that might be possible; let's see...
[20:34] <JanC> but not for the Ubuntu pastebin...
[20:34] <JanC> okay, that sucks
[20:36] <sarnold> unit193 has a pastebinin in his ppa that fixes a *lot* of the pastebinit problems, but it might not fix all of them..
[20:57] <JanC> IIRC you can interact with LP programmatically, so I suppose it should be possible to implement that with the pastebin too?
[21:03] <sarnold> hah, our launchpad team has so much on their plate I can't imagine they'd love to reimplement a pastebin
[21:05] <JanC> I meant it more like if the login is the same, pastebinit could copy code from the LP tools
[21:05] <JanC> if the login method is the same
[21:06] <JanC> (both use the Ubuntu One account)
[21:08] <JanC> also, is the LP team so understaffed now? I see more & more Canonical stuff moving off LP...
[21:16] <rbasak> The community generally seems to snub Launchpad and prefers GitHub for things.
[21:24] <patdk-lap> I just keep getting tired of dealing with LP
[21:24] <patdk-lap> and went to self hosting it now instead
[21:26] <JanC> patdk-lap: you are self-hosting LP?
[21:27] <patdk-lap> na, moved my ppa's
[21:27] <JanC> PPAs seem to work fine mostly
[21:27] <patdk-lap> I could only take 12-48hours for a build to happen for so long
[21:27] <JanC> heh
[21:28] <JanC> I never had that problem (for what limited stuff I used it for)
[21:29] <JanC> or maybe once, but that was during a build-everything period
[21:30] <patdk-lap> the stuff I used to push there very often, have been dockerized, so they just build in the docker container build
[21:30] <JanC> then again, I usually only build stuff once every release  ;)
[21:31] <JanC> it's mostly abandoned stuff, so it never changes
[21:59] <sarnold> JanC: I think the launchpad team is probably the best staffed it's ever been now; but it's got more than a decade of technical debt to work off and github covers way more use cases right now..
[22:28] <JanC> well, LP pretty much stagnated for a decade or so? and never implemented features people asked for... (like being able to host a basic site)
[22:29] <JanC> (people asked for the latter in LP before GitHub had it)
[23:10] <sarnold> JanC: exactly