[02:42] <LinDol> hi all
[21:43] <CryojenX> Hello, can someone help me figure out how to change t he time format onthe top bar in xenial to 12 hour format? I know there was a shell  extension that did this but it's out of date andno longer works.
[21:51] <CryojenX> Hey bulletmark


[00:01] <micahg> LLStarks: when asac releases the next version to main, he can include it if he so chooses
[00:04] <psyke83> micahg: you may also be interested in that issue, since you assigned yourself to bug #327863 (the trough appearing in firefox text boxes)
[00:04] <psyke83> the bugs may be related
[00:04] <micahg> psyke83: which version of ubuntu are you on?
[00:04] <psyke83> Karmic
[00:04] <micahg> psyke83: do you want to try the xulrunner from my ppa which fixes that other bug?
[00:04] <psyke83> micahg: I tried a daily build of 3.6 a few days ago - the text box issue was fixed, but the edge clicking wasn't
[00:05] <psyke83> sure, what's the address?
[00:05] <micahg> https://edge.launchpad.net/~micahg/+archive/mozilla-test
[00:07] <psyke83> micahg: thanks, will get back to you in a few minutes, need to make a phone call
[01:01] <LLStarks> psyke83. you'll need dload and dpkg the deb manually since it's behind main.
[01:04] <micahg> LLStarks: that's not true
[01:04] <micahg> you can go into aptitude and select it manually
[01:05] <LLStarks> but that can break things.
[01:05] <micahg> LLStarks: nope
[01:05] <micahg> NAFAIK
[01:07] <psyke83> micahg: yes, apt-get or synaptic will try to remove the ffox gnome support packages, but it's no problem, I manually installed
[01:07] <psyke83> the issue is fixed
[01:07] <psyke83> I'm going to install the patched version of gtk to see if edge scrolling works in firefox and other apps, brb
[01:13] <psyke83> micahg: ok, your patch works perfectly :)
[01:13] <micahg> psyke83: LLStarks found it
[01:13] <micahg> I just built the package
[01:13] <micahg> or rather uploaded it
[01:13] <psyke83> ah, well, thanks to LLStarks as well :)
[01:14] <psyke83> this issue may be related tangentially: bug #422511
[01:14] <LLStarks> no problem.
[01:20] <LLStarks> psyke83, why would the extra pixels matter?
[01:21] <LLStarks> if i want to scroll, i'm most likely to go the extreme edge of the screen.
[01:23] <psyke83> LLStarks, that's the problem, you can't do that
[01:23] <LLStarks> i can.
[01:23] <psyke83> LLStarks: what theme?
[01:23] <LLStarks> human default.
[01:23] <LLStarks> latest updates.
[01:23] <psyke83> do you have a grey scrollbar?
[01:24] <LLStarks> colored.
[01:24] <psyke83> something is wrong, then
[01:24] <psyke83> multiple people have confirmed this issue
[01:25] <LLStarks> the bug is that you can't click the edge and scroll, right?
[01:25] <LLStarks> i can't do that in firefox though.
[01:25] <LLStarks> only nautilus.
[01:25] <psyke83> LLStarks, yes, that's it
[01:25] <psyke83> https://bugs.launchpad.net/firefox/+bug/422511/comments/7
[01:26] <LLStarks> works in evolution.
[01:26] <LLStarks> and nautilus
[01:26] <LLStarks> and other gtk-based apps i suppose.
[01:26] <LLStarks> hmm,  no-go with gnome-terminal
[01:27] <LLStarks> will the patch allow this for all apps?
[01:27] <psyke83> LLStarks: there's two problems. Forget Firefox for a minute. In all applications, if you edge-click it works, but does not grab the scrollbar. The patch fixes the scrollbar grabbing issue
[01:27] <psyke83> in Firefox, no clicks are registered at all
[01:28] <LLStarks> grab the scrollbar? you mean literally grab the bar?
[01:28] <LLStarks> or just register a click event?
[01:28] <psyke83> LLStarks: the patch fixes all compliant applications. Firefox happens to have another bug in which it doesn't register edge clicks at all.
[01:28] <psyke83> ok, do this:
[01:29] <psyke83> open a nautilus window with enough files for it to scroll when maximized. Click on the right-edge *beside* the scrollbar. The expected behaviour is to grab the scrollbar, but what really happens is that it thinks you clicked the scrollbar background and jumps up/down
[01:32] <LLStarks> ah
[01:35] <psyke83> I was hoping that the bugfix you found would possibly fix up the trough issue with the scrollbar (so that Firefox would register *any* clicks, even if it's incorrect), but it seems not to have helped
[01:35] <LLStarks> is this a gtk issue?
[01:36] <psyke83> there's two issues - one in gtk (proposed fix available which works), and one in Firefox (no clicks register at all)
[01:38] <LLStarks> did you file a firefox bug?
[01:38] <LLStarks> cuz it's still broken in the 3.7 alphas.
[01:41] <psyke83> not yet, I only noticed recently that Firefox's behaviour differed from other apps
[01:43] <LLStarks> i could file a bug, but i'm not sure how to best describe the issue.
[01:50] <psyke83> thanks, I'll file the bug :)
[02:27] <micahg> asac: didn't you just accept a merge to demote ubufox to recommends? (https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~gnomefreak/firefox/firefox.dev/+merge/9113)
[02:28] <micahg> asac: I meant suggests
[02:28] <asac> hmm. i thought i did that to -gnome-support only
[02:28] <asac> remind me to back that out tomorrow ;)
[02:29] <asac> its not needed anymore now that there is apturl-kde
[02:29] <asac> also i am quite concerned that ubufox doesnt work on livecd ;)
[02:29] <asac> s/that/whether/
[02:29] <micahg> asac: indeed
[02:30] <micahg> I brought that up 2 releases ago
[02:30] <asac> bug me more about that ;)
[02:30] <micahg> ok
[02:30] <micahg> so LLStarks confirmed that bug fixed
[02:30] <asac> not sure why i missed it
[02:30] <micahg> so I'll propose a merge later
[02:31] <LLStarks> why is gnome-support optional now?
[02:31] <LLStarks> doesn't gdebi need it?
[02:31] <asac> because kde folks complained
[02:31] <LLStarks> but now deb links can't be opened.
[02:31] <asac> so ubuntu desktop install has it installed by default
[02:32] <asac> yeah. mime type integration is good to have with gnomevfs. but that is a bit buggy too afaik. 3.6 should be better
[02:34] <LLStarks> can't ubufox fulfill gnome-support's function?
[02:34] <LLStarks> or is it plugin finder only?
[02:34] <asac> its not a native extension - and better keep it that way
[02:34] <asac> so cannot do that
[02:34] <LLStarks> also, ubufox should be linked with apt and not rely on manual installations
[02:34] <asac> i have other ideas for karmic+1
[02:35] <asac> but too late to discuss that now ;)
[02:35] <asac> linked with apt?
[02:35] <asac> apturl is the right thing
[02:35] <LLStarks> let's say i need flash, ubufox installs it
[02:36] <asac> yes. but why not use apturl
[02:36] <LLStarks> i used apt as a catch-all
[02:36] <asac> its there. its easy. no need to reinvent the wheel
[02:36] <LLStarks> ubufox shouldn't lead me to the flash installation page or simply fail to find the proper plugin.
[02:36] <asac> apturl supports more stuff like auto adding repos on demand etc.
[02:37] <asac> ubufox does not lead you to the flash installation page
[02:37] <asac> it shows you the plugin finder
[02:37] <LLStarks> i've tried on 2 fresh installs this week and ubufox failed to install flash and other plugins
[02:37] <asac> the database isnt updated ;)
[02:37] <LLStarks> or asked for manual
[02:37] <asac> so its empty for karmic atm
[02:37] <LLStarks> ah
[02:37] <asac> go to about:config
[02:38] <LLStarks> that makes sense
[02:38] <asac> search for pfs.
[02:38] <asac> and edit those
[02:38] <asac> replace 9.10 with 9.04
[02:38] <asac> (at the end of those lengthy urls)
[02:38] <asac> should be two pfs. urls
[02:39] <asac> go to video.google.com
[02:39] <asac> etc.
[02:40] <asac> some sites do tricks and never try to display flash content if there is no flash plugin
[02:40] <asac> thats why you sometimes dont get the finder
[02:40] <asac> but thats out of hands
[02:40] <asac> youtube is unfortuantely an example
[02:40] <asac> at least adobe provides apturl on their download page now
[02:40] <asac> afaik
[02:42] <micahg> asac: should I comment on that merge that you wanted to back out?
[02:44] <LLStarks> asac, they do?
[02:45] <LLStarks> link?
[02:45] <asac> no  time
[02:45] <asac> micahg: yes. thx
[03:01] <micahg> LLStarks: I proposed the merge
[03:01] <LLStarks> i got the mail :)
[03:02] <micahg> ahg
[03:02] <LLStarks> i hope that bug 422511 won't require bugging the firefox devs and push for priority.
[03:04] <LLStarks> the only reason 327863 is getting fixed is because the bug was elevated through exposure and because i took ownership in tracking down the fix.
[03:06] <micahg> LLStarks: well, it's the same story in Mozilla as it is in Ubuntu...we're limited on resources
[03:07] <LLStarks> when you think about, as a person who nothing aside from basic python, i was the person least likely to get the bug fixed.
[03:07] <LLStarks> *who knows nothing
[03:07] <micahg> LLStarks: everyone starts somewhere :)
[03:09] <LLStarks> it's not only a lack of resources, it's a lack of enthusiasm.
[03:09] <micahg> I don't know about that
[03:09] <micahg> there are a lot of people geared up
[03:09] <micahg> some just afraid to take the plunge
[03:09] <LLStarks> you have to be forceful and follow through with bug reports. otherwise they just sit and gather dust.
[03:14] <micahg> LLStarks: if you want to go for another one, I can package it for you
[03:15] <LLStarks> i can certainly try. i seem to have a knack for being a liaison.
[03:23] <LLStarks> micahg, i think psyke83 and asac are trying to elevate it.
[03:24] <LLStarks> conn too.
[03:24] <micahg> cool
[03:45] <ripps> fta: ping
[03:57] <ripps> this damn ppabot, why is it doing this crap! pbuilder has no issue with these rules.... dammit, I'm sick, my head hurts, I can't deal with this right now
[03:59] <ripps> fta: I'm leaving, if you can figure out what's wrong, email me. All my libmpdclient packaging is in the gmpc-trunk team branches.
[04:08] <[reed]> I haven't seen a bug filed upstream on 422511
[04:09] <[reed]> I wouldn't be surprised if Firefox's code had a bug in it, but unless people report problems, they won't get fixed
[04:10] <micahg> LLStarks: ^^^
[04:11] <LLStarks> brilliant.
[04:11] <micahg> part of it was fixed, part of it wasn't
[04:12] <micahg> [reed]: the display was fixed with mozilla bug 486065, but the clicking was not
[04:20] <LLStarks> micahg. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=519609
[04:20] <micahg> great, can you update the LP bug?
[04:25] <micahg> LLStarks: nm, I did it
[08:58] <sevoir> hi
[09:01] <eagles0513875> hey sevoir
[09:01] <eagles0513875> asac: should be able to work on bindwood this afternoon all hell has broken loose at the start of this week
[09:02] <sevoir> Can anybody help me? I have 2 bug report with [packaging-need] label. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/422206, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/422208
[09:14] <eagles0513875> sevoir: i would package it but never packaged before so i would need asac's or someone else who knows how to help me
[09:15] <sevoir> xpi packages are done
[09:15] <eagles0513875> ahhh so you already have it packaged just need it uploaded
[09:16] <sevoir> Where? :)
[09:16] <sevoir> launcpad ppa?
[09:19] <sevoir> I packaged from older versions, but I dont know that these deb packages is okay? : http://www.sevoir.hu/firefox-extension/
[09:21] <eagles0513875> im the wrong person to ask sevoir
[09:21] <eagles0513875> sevoir: you are better off asking asac
[09:21] <eagles0513875> morning asac
[09:22] <sevoir> okay.
[09:22] <sevoir> asac please ;-)
[10:02] <fta> ripps, i'm willing to help you but i need the full logs to locate the problem
[10:04] <ripps> fta: okay, I'll make an empty commit and pastebin the output. Do you want a direct console 2>&1, or do you want the output from -e
[10:04] <fta> -e should be enough, it's supposed to contain everything
[10:05] <fta> if you also see something in the console, please pastebin it
[10:06] <ripps> fta: did you see the pastebin I posted last night?
[10:06] <fta> hm, no
[10:07] <ripps> http://paste.ubuntu.com/281276/
[10:08] <fta> d'oh! ugly
[10:08] <ripps> The cdbs in this package is nearly identical to other packages, but this package is the only one that does this.
[10:09] <fta> i definitely need the logs
[10:09] <ripps> okay, i just experienced an error while running daily.sh -e
[10:09] <ripps> Can't locate MIME/Entity.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.0 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at -e line 2.
[10:10] <ripps> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at -e line 2.
[10:11] <fta> you need libmime-tools-perl
[10:11] <eagles0513875> morning fta
[10:12] <fta> morning
[10:13] <ripps> okay, trying again
[10:13] <asac> sevoir: we need bzr packaging branches for those extensions
[10:14] <sevoir> okay, I will create bzr packagig branches
[10:15] <asac> btw. the url you posted does not exist ;)
[10:17] <sevoir> yes, because I updating deb packages for new versions ;-)
[10:18] <ripps> Dang, nothing werid happened this round, because daily.sh thought it built the packages last time... recommiting.
[10:22] <av`> asac, if it's NEW here it should be uploaded on Debian
[10:24] <fta> ripps, could you diff -r your .head branch and one of the .head.ppa.xx branch ? i guess d/control is weird
[10:26] <ripps> fta: daily.sh buildlog:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/282002/
[10:27] <asac> av`: yes
[10:27] <av`> asac, maint should be set to pkg-mozext
[10:27] <av`> asac, and it should be pushed to git on alioth
[10:27] <asac> i dont know
[10:27] <asac> no
[10:27] <ripps> fta: diff -r *.head *.head.ppa.karmic:  http://pastebin.com/f347e39c7
[10:28] <av`> why not?
[10:28] <asac> why?
[10:28] <asac> why not push that to bzr?
[10:28] <asac> alioth is not a professional service. i lost all my data once ;)
[10:28] <fta> ripps, gasp, something's wrong.. it's not supposed to touch the "Package: libmpdclient-dev" line
[10:28] <fta> +Package: libmpdclient-dev (>= 2.0.0~git20090930.275b256-0ubuntu1~ripps2)
[10:28] <av`> depends if that extension will be team-maintaned or not
[10:29] <asac> av`: we have a team on our own here. i am not here to merge teams
[10:29] <asac> if debian wants to run their own team thats great
[10:29] <asac> anyone can join that team
[10:29] <ripps> fta: the control was made by dh_make, but then I just filled in all the necessary info, why is it trying to mess with -dev?
[10:29] <asac> but its definitly not a policy
[10:29] <av`> asac, m-d is actually a policy
[10:30] <av`> asac, binaries renames are too
[10:30] <ripps> waitaminute, dh_make listed the -dev before the normal package... why'd it do that?
[10:30] <asac> av`: thats a policy yes. but i talked about a team policy
[10:30] <asac> you can either use the mozilla-extension-dev team in ubuntu
[10:30] <asac> or something else
[10:31] <av`> asac, yeah, but I thought that pushing it to debian would have moved the maintainer to our debian team
[10:31] <ripps> fta: should I just but -dev after the normal package? or is that irrelevant?
[10:31] <asac> no
[10:31] <av`> as far as we gonna keep in sync
[10:31] <asac> we maintain stuff here, but upload to debian.
[10:32] <av`> ok, fine for me, it's your decision in the end
[10:32] <asac> well we [10:32] <asac> everyone can do what they want.
[10:32] <av`> yeah, sure
[10:32] <asac> all i am saying is that i wont take care about extensions not maintained in launchpad.net/firefox-extensions project
[10:33] <av`> yeah, but well, an extension can be maintained on bzr without problems
[10:33] <asac> yes
[10:33] <av`> having the debian team watchint it would be better for everyone
[10:34] <asac> debian folks are invited to join the launchpad team
[10:34] <av`> yep
[10:34] <asac> i assume they will do that
[10:34] <asac> will not do that
[10:34] <fta> ripps, where is the .head branch?
[10:34] <asac> because they are too scared to entangle with ubuntu folks
[10:35] <ripps> fta: on my computer or on launchpad?
[10:35] <fta> lp
[10:35] <av`> asac, I'm already into the team and I started working on Ubuntu first than debian
[10:35] <av`> asac, so I'm not scared to entagle with ubuntu guys (i am one too) ;)
[10:36] <ripps> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~gmpc-trunk/+junk/libmpdclient.head.ppa
[10:36] <av`> asac, the only thing I wanted to propose it to set the maint to the team, so that we can monitor any extension that will pushed into debian
[10:36] <ripps> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~gmpc-trunk/+junk/libmpdclient.trunk
[10:36] <av`> asac, if it will stay on bzr, fine
[10:37] <asac> you can use the ubuntu extension team as maintainer for stuff that is maintained in that team
[10:37] <asac> if you maintain stuff in some other team you can use that team, yes.
[10:37] <av`> we didnt do that for other extensions
[10:37] <av`> maint is set to ubuntu devs
[10:37] <asac> in the past we used MOTU
[10:37] <av`> we used it too
[10:37] <asac> simply because thats the group of folks that can upload
[10:37] <av`> now
[10:37] <asac> and we didnt have many MOTUs
[10:38] <asac> but we already started to move away from that approach
[10:38] <av`> there is no checklist point about moving the maintainer
[10:38] <asac> afaik the last few extensions are not in ~ubuntu-dev, but ~mozilla-extensions-dev
[10:38] <av`> also because the team doesnt have an official ML
[10:38] <asac> av`: no. because i didnt perceive this as a problem.
[10:39] <asac> you can use the same mailing list as ubuntu dev
[10:39] <asac> we shared devel-discuss for core dev an motu in the past
[10:39] <av`> yes, but mixing messages is not the best
[10:40] <av`> but anyway it's your choice, np
[10:40] <fta> ripps, found the bug. "sed -i -e '1,/^Package: /s/\(libmpdclient-dev\)[^,]*/\1 (>= 2.0.0~git20090930.275b256-0ubuntu1~ripps2)/' debian/control" is supposed to change only the "Source:" section, but it also matches the 1st line of the 1st Package section, which happens to be a package you explicitly asked the bot to "version" in your 'deps'. So the quick workaround is to move that -dev package further below
[10:41] <av`> asac, where is gnomefreak? I'm moving flashgot to the team, wanted to update him
[10:41] <asac> av`: i am not against it in general. the main point i am seeing is that it doesnt make sense to fragment the ubuntu mozilla community
[10:41] <asac> which is why i always said that we dont neeed a separate channel on oftc
[10:41] <asac> first let the debian team/ubuntu team grow substantially
[10:42] <av`> asac, if you want I can add the bot here
[10:42] <asac> then look into making that a separate team with everything
[10:42] <av`> the channel is mainly for that
[10:42] <asac> what bot?
[10:42] <av`> commits bot
[10:42] <asac> commits where?
[10:42] <av`> commits made on extensions
[10:42] <av`> on git
[10:42] <av`> I guess there is one for bzr too
[10:42] <asac> yes. but we dont use that
[10:43] <asac> i dont think such a bot is really helpful. but if you can find one then thats fine
[10:43] <ripps> fta: okay, let's see how it goes this time *crosses-fingers*
[10:44] <av`> asac, unluckily bzr one is a bit complex, and it needs to get hooks added on the server
[10:44] <av`> asac, it would be nice to have that implemented in LP
[10:45] <ripps> fta: woot! it's uploading
[10:46] <fta> great
[10:46] <fta> i need to run now, cu later
[10:46] <av`> asac, problem is that, as you said, debian guys won't join #mozilla-team on freenode, I guess
[10:49] <ripps> double woot! it built correctly!
[11:38] <asac> sevoir: check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Extensions/Packaging
[11:40] <sevoir> ohh, great
[12:01] <eagles0513875> sevoir: sry i could have been of more help
[12:01] <sevoir> asac helped me
[12:03] <sevoir> I hope I create good standard ubuntu firefox extension pack :-)
[12:03] <eagles0513875> :) hes great guy to have in the community
[12:03] <eagles0513875> sevoir: if not you can always retry :)
[12:03] <eagles0513875> thats how one learns
[12:04] <sevoir> First package for me ;-)
[12:05] <eagles0513875> :) well i have packaged bindwood extension for firefox thats my first and im still learning
[12:06] <sevoir> xpi package is routine, but it is difficult a bit. I'm happy that I will learning this procedure ;-)
[12:07] <eagles0513875> sevoir: to backage you could use bzr bd to build the package for testing on ur local machine
[12:07] <eagles0513875> then upload it somewhere
[12:07] <sevoir> bzr is done
[12:07] <sevoir> :-)
[12:07] <eagles0513875> asac: once i get bindwood fixed and working and tested and i package it using bzr bd where do i upload it too
[12:07] <eagles0513875> sevoir: test it out before uploading :) make sure things work if not time to tweak it lol
[12:08] <asac> eagles0513875: you push your branch to your private location and ask for a merge to the release branch (~ubuntu-dev afaik)
[12:08] <eagles0513875> gotcha asac :)
[12:08] <eagles0513875> hopefully after part 2 of my linux cert i can work on finishing it up this afternoon
[12:09] <asac> k
[12:09] <sevoir> eagles0513875: sure, I dont want publish not working version :-)
[12:10] <eagles0513875> asac: going nuts atm starting lectures and all but hopefully once i get this linux cert done this afternoon ill get into a routine
[13:21] <sindhudweep> asac: you there?
[13:23] <asac> sindhudweep: yep
[13:24] <asac> hi
[13:24] <sindhudweep> hi
[13:24] <sindhudweep> so first a couple of prerequisites.
[13:24] <sindhudweep> I can't seem to get pbuilder to build the current source package for gnash.
[13:26] <sindhudweep> http://pastebin.com/d4ec46bb6
[13:29] <asac> sindhudweep: maybe your pbuilder does not have all the apt sources required?
[13:29] <asac>  Depends: libagg-dev which is a virtual package.
[13:29] <asac> that feels like you only have "main"
[13:35] <sindhudweep> my apt sources for the machine certainly has universe. How do i set the sources for the chroot that pbuilder will use?
[13:37] <dpm> hi asac, adiroiban, the Romanian translation team leader is telling me that the Romanian translations in Firefox are still the upstream ones in Karmic. Have there been any changes in the whitelisting?
[13:38] <dpm> during the dev cycle
[13:39] <adiroiban> looking at xulrunner I can see there are 2 source packages in Ubuntu
[13:39] <adiroiban> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/xulrunner-1.9.1
[13:39] <adiroiban> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/xulrunner-1.9
[13:46] <asac> dpm: yes. all should be from launchpad
[13:46] <asac> dpm: except those that have a country code
[13:47] <asac> we tried to import all translations from xulrunner (1.9) to 1.9.1 and firefox 3.0 to 3.5
[13:47] <asac> i thought that worked
[13:48] <dpm> I did not really notice it in Catalan, because we translate upstream, but I think adiroiban is involved both upstream and translates FF in LP as well
[13:48] <adiroiban> ok. so we should migrate 1.9 -> 1.9.1 and firefox 3.0 -> 3.5
[13:49] <adiroiban> asac: I will also test with other languages and see if LP changes are updated with language packs
[13:50] <dpm> adiroiban: what do you mean by migrate?
[13:51] <adiroiban> rename
[13:51] <asac> adiroiban: we did that when we opened translations
[13:51] <adiroiban> and make sure no translations are lost
[13:51] <asac> if you kept on editing 1.9
[13:51] <asac> talk to arne
[13:51] <adiroiban> ok
[13:51] <asac> you need to reimport the stuff
[13:51] <asac> not sure why there is a xulrunner-1.9 at all ... we used an unversioned one for 1.9 iirc
[13:52] <asac> hmm maybe arne renamed that
[13:52] <asac> think we discussed that yeah
[13:52] <adiroiban> in Karmic we still have Firefox 3.0 ... but as you say
[13:52] <adiroiban> I will talk with Arne and sort this out
[13:52] <asac> this cycle was more like a test cycle for devmode etc.
[13:53] <asac> we will go for translations that have upstream translations to the upstream translations for final
[13:53] <adiroiban> Firefox 3.0 is on the top of the templates list
[13:53] <asac> and keep those that are good whitelisted that dont have an upstream translation
[13:53] <asac> next cycle we will start with devmode right away
[13:53] <adiroiban> ok
[13:53] <asac> and work on getting upstreaming procedures done
[13:53] <dpm> adiroiban: I don't think we need anything renamed, we've got both ff3.5 and 3.0 templates, we should disable the 3.0 at some point
[13:53] <adiroiban> so we have xulruner-1.9 and firefox 3.5
[13:53] <asac> your case is a bit difficult though
[13:53] <asac> we probably need innovation there
[13:54] <asac> dpm: i think he ment that he wanted to get all the translations to the 3.5 template ... technically we need to export 3.0 and import that to 3.5
[13:54] <dpm> asac: can we disable the FF3.0 template already?
[13:54] <adiroiban> dpm: ok. but right not ff 3.0 has top priority and 3.5 0
[13:54] <asac> we did that
[13:54] <dpm> adiroiban: I know
[13:54] <asac> dpm: we should. but we should first ensure that everything is properly ported.
[13:54] <asac> reimported
[13:55] <adiroiban> yep
[13:55] <asac> also in future there will be multiple versions
[13:55] <asac> in karmic we will remove ffox 3.0 completely
[13:55] <adiroiban> the current firefox 3.5 is pure upstream
[13:55] <asac> but thats not the case in all cycles
[13:55] <adiroiban> and it does not contain the changes made for 3.0
[13:55] <asac> especially if we release right after final users often want the old firefox
[13:55] <asac> adiroiban: yes. we imported all upstream translations
[13:55] <dpm> right
[13:55] <asac> and then the other on top
[13:55] <adiroiban> if we disable firefox 3.0 right now. we will lost all changes made in LP
[13:56] <asac> yes. we should take care that those get properly taken over
[13:56] <adiroiban> this is why I was talking about migrating those changes from 3.0 to 3.5
[13:56] <adiroiban> but I will talk with Arne about those changes
[13:56] <asac> yes. its not a rename though. its an export + produce .xpi + import
[13:56] <dpm> adiroiban: disabling it does not remove the translations from the database. In any case, what we should do is to give FF3.0 a low priority and FF3.5 a higher one
[13:57] <asac> adiroiban: do you see your changes in ffox 3.0?
[13:57] <dpm> in the templates list, I mean
[13:57] <adiroiban> yes
[13:57] <asac> dpm: yes. please do the priority thing
[13:57] <adiroiban> dpm: I will change the priority
[13:57] <adiroiban> as I'm already working on that
[13:57] <asac> shouldnt that be done for the whole template?
[13:57] <dpm> adiroiban: ok, thanks
[13:58] <asac> do you ahve powers to change the whole template?
[13:58] <adiroiban> yes
[13:58] <asac> good
[13:58] <dpm> asac: yes, adiroiban is also in the ubuntu-translation-coordinators team
[14:02] <adiroiban> done. firefox 3.5 and xulrunner 1.9 are now on top
[14:02] <asac> 1.9.1?
[14:02] <asac> adiroiban: `
[14:02] <asac> ?
[14:02] <adiroiban> 1.9.1 is now with priority 0
[14:02] <asac> guess was a typo :)
[14:03] <asac> adiroiban: 1.9.1 should be on top
[14:03] <asac> 1.9 at bottom
[14:03] <asac> ffox 3.5 on top ... 3.0 at bottom
[14:03] <adiroiban> ah
[14:03] <adiroiban> ok
[14:03] <asac> 1.9.1 + 3.5 belong together
[14:03] <asac> thx
[14:04] <asac> kenvandine: recreating the proxies does not work?
[14:04] <asac>    bus = dbus.SessionBus()
[14:04] <asac>     db_mb_obj = bus.get_object("com.Gwibber", "/com/gwibber/Microblog")
[14:04] <kenvandine> asac, no
[14:04] <asac>     db_msg_obj = bus.get_object("com.Gwibber", "/com/gwibber/Messages")
[14:04] <asac> ...
[14:04] <asac> like factoring that out to a "client_connect"
[14:04] <kenvandine> which is weird
[14:04] <asac> kenvandine: thats odd. it works in C at least ;)
[14:04] <kenvandine> yeah :)
[14:04] <asac> kenvandine: maybe the session bus caches that?
[14:05] <kenvandine> there is definately some weirdness going on
[14:05] <adiroiban> asac: true. done
[14:05] <kenvandine> i also tried an argument to get_object that follows name changes, so if the daemon restarts the client should follow it
[14:05] <kenvandine> but it doesn't work either
[14:05] <kenvandine> so either we are doing something wrong in our dbus code
[14:05] <asac> adiroiban: you could zip up the current 3.0 and 1.9 addon tree
[14:05] <kenvandine> or python-dbus is busted
[14:05] <asac> adiroiban: and import that
[14:07] <asac> kenvandine: can you write a quick mini client that just pulls messages?
[14:07] <adiroiban> yep. Hope the xpi merge is working ok. I will start by importing only the ro_RO translations
[14:07] <asac> kenvandine: like every 2 seconds iterate through messages and then one can debug this in a confined space
[14:07] <kenvandine> asac, i am going to write a quick test case un-related to gwibber
[14:07] <kenvandine> to isolate the problem
[14:07] <asac> i would think that NameOwnerChanges might be too late
[14:07] <asac> like:
[14:07] <asac> a) send a query
[14:08] <asac> b) NameOwnerChange
[14:08] <asac> c) recreate proxies
[14:08] <asac> d) error from query is still coming
[14:08] <kenvandine> true
[14:08] <asac> so just NameOwnerChange isnt enough ... but i guess thats obvious
[14:08] <asac> yeah
[14:08] <kenvandine> but in the case where both client and daemon are idle
[14:08] <kenvandine> follow_name_owner_changes = True
[14:09] <kenvandine> if the daemon restarts
[14:09] <dpm> adiroiban: asac, Adi is mentioning the ro_RO translations. Could it be that the problem with Romanian translations was because of the country code?
[14:09] <kenvandine> i would expect the client to follow it
[14:09] <asac> how is name_ower_changes to work?
[14:09] <asac> throw special exception "e.g. EAGAIN"
[14:09] <asac> while its redoing the connection?
[14:09] <kenvandine> get_object should handle it for us
[14:09] <kenvandine> i found several examples that seemed straight forward
[14:09] <kenvandine> but all in C
[14:09] <asac> dpm: the country code is only an issue if the exported .po files have that
[14:10] <asac> like es-ES -> broken
[14:10] <asac> fi -> works
[14:10] <dpm> ok
[14:10] <asac> i think ro get exported as ro.po
[14:10] <kenvandine> asac, so abstracting it away from our program completely... which is really ideal
[14:10] <asac> dpm: and he confirmed that it works on 3.0/1.9
[14:10] <kenvandine> but it doesn't seem to work in python
[14:10] <kenvandine> i am going to write a test case and make sure it isn't gwibber that is doing the wrong thing somewhere
[14:10] <asac> so i assume its just that the changes they did were not properly carried over (or done after we did the migration)
[14:11] <asac> kenvandine: what i mean is: how does call_blocking handle it ... just wait till it reappears?
[14:11] <asac> or do we get an exception "currently down"
[14:11] <kenvandine> just waits i think
[14:11] <kenvandine> the C example i found did nothing to handle it
[14:12] <kenvandine> seemed the dbus api handled it under the covers
[14:12] <adiroiban> ah... ignore the ro_RO... ro is ok :)
[14:12] <kenvandine> i want to repro it with a much simple test case
[14:12] <kenvandine> gwibber is way to complex to be sure
[14:12] <asac> kenvandine: i would think it would be simple enough to call "messages" on gwibber ;)
[14:12] <asac> kenvandine: ok
[14:13] <asac> we dont use blocking calls in NM so i cannot tell how well that _can_ work for the name_owner changes. i would expect that it doesnt guard you from all exceptions
[14:13] <kenvandine> although following name changes isn't the only thing we need
[14:13] <asac> which means using it doesnt really help ;)
[14:13] <asac> as its just a NameOwnerChange signal you need to handle
[14:13] <kenvandine> the biggest problem is we have blocking calls in both the client and the daemon
[14:13] <kenvandine> so they can get into a state where they are both blocked
[14:14] <asac> yes. deadlock
[14:14] <asac> kenvandine: daemon shouldnt call client ... does it?
[14:14] <kenvandine> and that is usually triggered by that crazy urllib2 problem with facebook
[14:14] <kenvandine> it does
[14:14] <asac> besides from replies7signals
[14:14] <kenvandine> it has too...
[14:14] <kenvandine> well
[14:14] <asac> signals feels like what is needed ;)
[14:14] <kenvandine> we raise the client via dbus
[14:14] <kenvandine> so it can work with stuff like the indicator
[14:15] <asac> but that can be async for sure
[14:15] <kenvandine> and if the client isn't running, we need dbus to start it
[14:15] <kenvandine> so more than a signal
[14:15] <kenvandine> yeah
[14:15] <kenvandine> that part is, i think
[14:15] <kenvandine> ryan has been chasing a bug in the facebook module
[14:15] <kenvandine> it hangs on some calls in urllib2
[14:15] <kenvandine> it never times out
[14:15] <kenvandine> and it blocks
[14:16] <kenvandine> that is really what is triggering most of the hangs we are seeing
[14:16] <asac> yeah ... its a bad practice to use blocking IO in the first place ;)
[14:16] <kenvandine> yeah
[14:16] <asac> i was ranting about that a few month back
[14:16] <asac> but seems python is just inferior for these kind of things
[14:16] <kenvandine> ryan seems to think we need it there
[14:16] <kenvandine> i guess that is why
[14:16] <asac> well
[14:16] <kenvandine> we should be able to work around that
[14:16] <asac> i wouldnt say that. but async IO design software is much cleaner ;)
[14:16] <asac> thats my opinion :)
[14:17] <kenvandine> i think he is getting burned out with python :)
[14:17] <asac> have a main loop ... and event driven flow ;)
[14:18] <asac> well. cant be true that python sucks so much ;)
[14:18] <asac> though i obviously prefer C ... but i think for gwibber with its plugin arch pythong should be better
[14:18] <asac> though now we crash even more because the transparent wrapping of the dbus calls
[14:18] <kenvandine> yeah... i think he hits too many things that aren't as mature in python
[14:18] <asac> doesnt really provide incentives to do proper error handling
[14:19] <kenvandine> i wouldn't be surprised if gwibber 3 was C or C++ (he is getting into qt stuff) and extendable with python
[14:19] <kenvandine> at least the core of the daemon in C
[14:19] <kenvandine> we'll see :)
[14:20] <kenvandine> i prefer keeping it in python and make it cleaner
[14:20] <asac> from what i was told he isnt really an experienced/main-profession developer ... if thats right i dont think that C will help much ;)
[14:20] <kenvandine> he has gained lots of experience now... but it isn't his profession for sure
[14:21] <kenvandine> i want to try to prevent major over hauls ever 6 months :)
[14:21] <asac> yeah
[14:21] <kenvandine> just make what's there more robust and simplere
[14:22] <asac> your -daemon work at least got rid of the ugly new Thread ;)
[14:22] <asac> things
[14:22] <asac> or are you running multiple threads still?
[14:22] <asac> hmm i guess you do on daemon side at least
[14:22] <asac> aka blocking IO needs that
[14:22] <kenvandine> yeah
[14:42] <sindhudweep> asac: the changes for gnash 0.8.6 are available: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~gnash/gnash/ubuntu.head. I'll hold off on merging https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~sindhudweep-sarkar/gnash/KDE4packaging till tomorrow or post release
[14:42] <sindhudweep> email me if you hit any issues as i won't be available via irc.
[15:05] <kenvandine> asac, well my much simpler test cases handles the NameOwnerChange with follow_name_owner_changes = True
[15:06] <kenvandine> with no exception handling on my part
[15:06] <kenvandine> so clearly something weird in the gwibber code
[15:19] <asac> kenvandine: can you post your testcase ;)
[15:20] <kenvandine> i figured out why the follow example isn't working in gwibber
[15:20] <kenvandine> no mainloop set for dbus
[15:20] <kenvandine> that is an easy fix
[15:20] <asac> yeah
[15:20] <kenvandine> now i am adding exception handling to my test case
[15:20] <kenvandine> when i am happy with that i will do it in gwibber :)
[15:22] <sevoir> bye all
[15:22] <asac> sevoir: bye. did you manage to get something?
[15:22] <sevoir> yep
[15:22] <asac> following instructions=
[15:23] <asac> ?
[15:23] <asac> cool. once you want feedback on that push yuor branch somewhere
[15:23] <sevoir> I created deb package locally
[15:23] <sevoir> I will test at home
[15:23] <sevoir> :-)
[15:24] <sevoir> I will come back tomorrow
[15:24] <sevoir> Maybe with good news :)
[15:24] <sevoir> thx for all information
[15:24] <sevoir> bye
[15:52] <eagles0513875> asac:  guess what :)
[16:33] <sli_> hi all
[16:33] <sli_> Is the right place to post some thunderbird launch pb ?
[16:34] <sli_> It start one, but I cannot write msg, and then never starts again until I restart session
[16:35] <asac> jdstrand: how to disable sbin.dhclient3?
[16:35] <asac> is that just creating a link in the disable folder?
[16:35] <asac> (sorry, i forgot that again)
[16:41] <jdstrand> asac: to permanently disable, put a link in the disable folder
[16:42] <asac> jdstrand: how to reload?
[16:42] <asac> restart?
[16:42] <jdstrand> asac: to temporarily disable, do 'apparmor_parser -R /etc/apparmor.d/sbin.dhclient3'
[16:42] <jdstrand> to reload the profile:
[16:42] <sli_> If I run thunderbird under console I get this : + for curr_pis in '"${HOME}/${MOZ_USER_DIR}/init.d"/K*' '"${dist_bin}/init.d"/K*'
[16:42] <sli_> + '[' -x '/home/sli/.thunderbird/init.d/K*' ']'
[16:42] <sli_> + for curr_pis in '"${HOME}/${MOZ_USER_DIR}/init.d"/K*' '"${dist_bin}/init.d"/K*'
[16:42] <sli_> + '[' -x '/usr/lib/thunderbird/init.d/K*' ']'
[16:42] <sli_> + exit 0
[16:42] <asac> nah ;) ... i need permanently because i need dhclient to access stuff in my /home
[16:42] <jdstrand> apparmor_parser -r  /etc/apparmor.d/sbin.dhclient3
[16:42] <asac> for my developmenet environment
[16:43] <jdstrand> asac: why not just add the files you need into the profile?
[16:43] <sli_> Well I have nowhere an init.d directory
[16:43] <asac> jdstrand: because then i dont get the latest without either merging or loosing ;)
[16:43] <asac> jdstrand: or is dhclient now stable enough?
[16:43] <jdstrand> asac: you don't need to reload if you use '-R'. if you don't, use /etc/init.d/apparmor force-reload
[16:43] <asac> what is -r? remove permanently?
[16:44] <jdstrand> asac: the dhclient profile hasn't changed since early in the cycle
[16:44] <jdstrand> asac: -r is 'reload' the profile
[16:44] <jdstrand> -R is remove the profile
[16:44] <sli_> why did I do such stupid update under ubuntu 8.10
[16:44] <asac> jdstrand: does that install a link or remove the file?
[16:44] <jdstrand> asac: neither
[16:44] <asac> jdstrand: may i suggest to rename that to aa-client or something? ;) ... i wouldnt have looked at the features of parser
[16:45] <jdstrand> asac: those are both temporary
[16:45] <asac> jdstrand: ah right temporary
[16:45] <asac> ok
[16:45] <jdstrand> asac: to permanently disable, you must manually link into disable/
[16:45] <jdstrand> asac: and then use either -R to unload the profile, or smash it with a sledgehammer and reload all of apparmor with the initscript
[16:45] <asac> ok but i cannot use -r to just reload
[16:46] <asac> kk
[16:46] <asac> tried just -r ... that complained
[16:46]  * asac tests
[16:46] <jdstrand> asac: -r is used for reloading a profile that you may have modified. for what you seem to be trying to do, it isn't what you want
[16:46] <asac> great ;) i got a lease
[16:47] <asac> i want aa-client reload|disable|enable ;)
[16:47] <asac> but now i am happy too ;)
[16:47] <jdstrand> asac: of course it is up to you, but I'd recommend modifying the profile for you needs
[16:47] <asac> i see the point of not providing that
[16:47] <sli_> Ho good I had to kill thunderbird-bin
[16:47] <eagles0513875> asac: im lpic level 1 certified
[16:47] <eagles0513875> im happy as well
[16:47] <asac> jdstrand: i will play around with it later. for now i disabled it ;)
[16:47] <asac> eagles0513875: congrats
[16:47] <sli_> Why did the script not notified or killed the app by himself
[16:47] <jdstrand> asac: dhclient3 does run as root and it has had security issues (which is why we have the profile)
[16:47] <jdstrand> asac: sure thing
[16:48] <jdstrand> (just an fyi)
[16:48] <eagles0513875> ty asac
[16:48] <sli_> thks for help :D
[16:49] <asac> sli_: those things in the script are not a problem normally
[16:51] <asac> ok have to prepare for travel
[16:51] <asac> bbi 3 hours or so
[16:53] <eagles0513875> ok asac
[19:38] <fta> [reed], ff3.7 is really unusable
[19:38] <fta>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
[19:38] <fta> 21847 fta       20   0 1076m 420m  28m R   29 20.9   1638:35 firefox-3.7
[19:38] <[reed]> I'm not seeing this
[19:39] <[reed]> hmm
[19:39] <fta> that's with no addon (expect abp)
[19:39] <fta> it's really slow when i type in textareas
[19:39] <[reed]> or, maybe I can
[19:40] <[reed]> er, I am
[19:40] <[reed]>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
[19:40] <[reed]>  4264 reed      20   0 1046m 411m  34m S   29 20.9   1244:44 firefox-bin
[19:40] <fta> yeah
[19:40] <fta> my cpu fan is never quiet, that's unbearable
[19:40] <fta> moving to chromium
[19:41] <[reed]> I'll take a look at it later
[19:45] <micahg> asac: a reminder to back out that change from ff3.5.head
[21:38] <dholbert> asac, ping?
[21:39] <dholbert> asac, RE https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=486065#c60 -- I've generated a try-server build of 1.9.1 + patch for that bug + the followup patch that dbaron mentioned
[21:40] <dholbert> asac, build is at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:41] <dholbert> asac, could you (or someone who's hitting the Karmic theme issue) test that build to confirm that it fixes the problem?
[21:42] <dholbert> (n/m, posting on bug)


[13:03] <teeceepee> hi my job is stuck at stop/waiting
[13:03] <teeceepee> and when I stop it i get unknown start
[13:03] <teeceepee> how do I kill it
[13:06] <teeceepee> anyhelp


[07:42] <iongraphix> what up people? anybody home?
[07:57] <seb128> hey
[07:58] <seb128> could somebody make bug #1503977 looked at rather than dismissed with the usual "collect more info"? it's likely that there is not going to have a reply since that's an e.u.c created bug and not an user filed one, but it did start with 4.2.0-15.17
[07:58] <ubot5`> bug 1503977 in linux (Ubuntu) "BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at location RIP: 0010:location location kmem_cache_free+0x69/0x1e0" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1503977
[07:59] <seb128> it's also ranked quite high on the wily e.u.c daily report
[08:03] <smb> seb128, I need to check but there was a whole set of badness in the last upload over all releases which is already in the process of being updated
[08:03] <smb> Just not sure where the replacement kernels are stuck right now
[08:04] <seb128> smb, k, I'm just mentioning it because it shows up on errors.u.c
[08:05] <smb> seb128, Yeah, I check version but there might be various kernels showing up there recently which is slightly surprising. There are more people having proposed enabled than one thought
[08:06] <seb128> smb, yeah, there are quite a lot of users having proposed enabled it seems
[08:07] <smb> seb128, ok, so there is a wily 4.2.0-15.18 in proposed which will likely fix the bug you mentioned
[08:07] <seb128> good
[08:09] <smb> seb128, Though for wily it better has to be in the main archive as nobody should have proposed enabled there, yet
[08:09] <seb128> right
[08:11] <smb> seb128, hm having said that... the -15.18 was never in the main pocket... :-P I see -14.16 is still there
[08:11] <smb> but thats nitpicking, I hope things settle down around today
[09:00] <smb> henrix, Do you know how far the whole range of new proposed kernels is in our future?
[09:01] <henrix> smb: some of them are ready to be copied; that could happen today, i guess...
[09:01] <henrix> smb: the ones missing (and i'm working on those) are the lts-* kernels
[09:04] <smb> henrix, Not sure how widespread the use of proposed is with those. It is kind of amazing to see how far those kernels get even then
[09:06] <henrix> smb: yeah, looking at the # of bug reports, looks like there are quite a few people using them
[09:06] <smb> henrix, yep... seems a constant stream of those
[09:22] <apw> smb, enough people that we get reports :)
[09:23] <smb> apw, enough people that we get _many_ reports. :)
[09:40] <apw> smb, indeed
[13:22] <ricotz> rtg, hi
[13:22] <rtg> ricotz, hmm?
[13:22] <ricotz> please push linux-meta-lts-wily to the correct pocket ;)
[13:23] <rtg> uh, did it go to wily ?
[13:23] <ricotz> https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-team/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+sourcepub/5480236/+listing-archive-extra
[13:23] <ricotz> rtg, yeah, several times ;)
[13:23] <rtg> dammit. I get dyslexic some days
[13:24] <ricotz>  linux-meta-lts-wily - <IP_ADDRESS>.7 is the current one in trusty
[13:26] <rtg> ricotz, uploaded
[13:27] <ricotz> rtg, thanks
[13:27] <ricotz> rtg, make sure to remove the wrong one in wily
[13:27] <rtg> yup, working on it
[13:28] <ricotz> thanks
[13:58] <leftyfb> hey, can someone help with a stack trace I've been getting on my laptop since last night after rebooting? The laptop is unusable at this point because of it. https://pastebin.canonical.com/141435/
[14:01] <rtg> leftyfb, reboot to the previous kernel. we're working to release the regression fix for this
[14:01] <leftyfb> rtg: i've tried that .. didn't seem to help
[14:01] <leftyfb> rtg: tried 3.19.0-{28,29,30,31}
[14:03] <henrix> leftyfb: the problem you're hitting with that pastebin is bug #1503655 and older kernels are not affected
[14:03] <ubot5`> bug 1503655 in linux (Ubuntu Wily) "Kernel bug in eventpoll_release_file+0x46/0xa0 with 3.13.0-66.107" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1503655
[14:04] <henrix> leftyfb: since you're using an lts-vivid kernel, it will take a couple more hours until the fix hits -proposed
[14:04] <leftyfb> henrix: is there a kernel that yo suggest I try that might not have the issue?
[14:05] <henrix> leftyfb: only 3.19.0-31 is broken, 3.19.0-30 should be good
[14:37] <leftyfb> rtg: henrix: thanks for the help... reverting back to -30 worked this time. I removed -31 for the time being
[15:29] <vertago1_> I am having a problem with kernel 4.2.0 where if I offline a cpu and bring it back up it isn't usable until reboot.
[15:32] <vertago1_> I just checked and it seems to be a problem with the older version to, so maybe I am doing something wrong
[15:40] <vertago1_> It seems like I am doing everything right. the cpu shows up in the online set, in /proc/cpuinfo, but nproc shows it as missing and I cannot get processes to use it
[15:55] <apw> vertago1_, if you could file a bug against the kernel "ubuntu-bug linux"  and describe in there how to reporoduce, we can have a look
[15:56] <vertago1_> I am writing a forum post because it seems to affect 15.04 too. I am pretty sure it works in 14.04 but I will have to do a test.
[15:57] <apw> we won't see a forum post, do file a bug and dump the bug number in here
[15:58] <vertago1_> ok I will after I check 14.04
[16:01] <vertago1_> yeah it works in 14.04
[16:02] <vertago1_> should I submit the bug as two seperate reports or is there a way for me to include apport data from two different releases (15.04 and 15.10
[16:02] <vertago1_> I could check 14.10 too
[16:03] <infinity> I give 20-to-1 odds that's a userspace bug, not a kernel bug.
[16:03] <infinity> cgroups are thpethial.
[16:03] <vertago1_> infinity, is there a good way for me to check?
[16:03] <vertago1_> I coudl restart cgroups
[16:03] <infinity> Offlining a CPU in a cgroup makes it never come back in that same cgroup.  So, it's there at the ring0 level, but never again in that process group.
[16:04] <infinity> I'm sure there are open bugs about this for, at least, cgmanager.  But I wouldn't be surprised if systemd itself has the same bug/misfeature.
[16:05] <infinity> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cgmanager/+bug/1392176
[16:05] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1392176 in linux (Ubuntu) "mounts cgroups unconditionally which causes undesired effects with cpu hotplug" [Medium,Confirmed]
[16:05] <infinity> vertago1_: ^-- I believe that's the issue you're seeing.
[16:06] <infinity> Or, something similar.
[16:06] <infinity> vertago1_: I'd recommend having a chat with hallyn about it to get a handle on the current state (and the behaviour you're seeing).
[16:16] <vertago1_> infinity, it looks like that is the problem. I can't tell from the bug page if they decided on how to fix the issue yet.
[16:16] <hallyn> infinity: vertago1_: i'm hoping as soon as 16.04 opens up we drop the auto-login cgroups from systemd and get libpam-cgroup into main in its place
[16:16] <hallyn> libpam-cgm does not put you into cpusets by default
[16:17] <infinity> hallyn: So, this is something we can't (or won't) fix for wily?
[16:18] <vertago1_> hallyn, on multiuser systems isn't cpusets nice for enforcing fairness?
[16:18] <infinity> hallyn: The bug report makes it sound ppc-specific, but it's really not.  CPU hotplugging is a thing on all the arches we support, it's just less common on the others.
[16:53] <hallyn> infinity: yeah...  mind you the real but is int he kernel, but maintainer refuses to fix it other than in the unified cgroup hierarchy
[16:53] <infinity> hallyn: Well, s/bug/misfeature/, I suppose.  Which is the problem.  People can easily argue that the behaviour is "correct", while everyone else yells at them that they're wrong, and yay stalemate.
[16:54] <infinity> hallyn: But with crazy automatic hotplug scenarios like offlining CPUs entirely for power management reasons, etc, something's got to give.
[16:56] <hallyn> yup
[16:57] <hallyn> vertago1_: if you'd like to test with a ppa i can set something up next week
[16:59] <vertago1_> ok
[17:01] <vertago1_> this is my active launchpad account: https://launchpad.net/~vertago1-s, I also have https://launchpad.net/~vertago1, but I would have to recover the password and it isn't linked ot my openid
[17:34] <jdstrand> ogasawara: I just updated a system to 3.13.0-65.106~precise1-generic and am seeing: Request for unknown module key 'Magrathea: Glacier signing key: d73704f98fab8927e462b2d8aa80377a6fca5db3' err -11. is something not right in that kernel?
[17:38] <ogasawara> jdstrand: I know there are respins of the kernels in proposed taking place for bug 1503655, but that doesn't appear what you're seeing.
[17:38] <ubot5`> bug 1503655 in linux (Ubuntu Wily) "Kernel bug in eventpoll_release_file+0x46/0xa0 with 3.13.0-66.107" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1503655
[17:38] <jdstrand> it seems to be running fine
[17:38] <ogasawara> jdstrand: can you do an `ubuntu-bug linux` to capture the logs etc
[17:38] <jdstrand> it is just complaing a lot
[17:39] <jdstrand> I can't on that machine actually
[17:39] <jdstrand> what do you need from it?
[17:39] <ogasawara> jdstrand: can you grab the full dmesg
[17:39] <jdstrand> maybe I can in a vm
[17:39] <jdstrand> let me try that first
[17:40] <ogasawara> ack
[17:45] <ogasawara> jdstrand: I'm seeing recent similar comments in bug 1253155
[17:45] <ubot5`> bug 1253155 in linux (Ubuntu Trusty) "Failure to validate module signature at boot time" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1253155
[17:46] <ogasawara> jsalisbury: when you have a moment, can you work with jdstrand to potentially bisect this
[17:46] <jsalisbury> ogasawara, sure
[17:47] <ogasawara> jsalisbury: he's testing to try and grab some logs, so sit tight
[17:47] <jsalisbury> ogasawara, ack
[17:48] <jdstrand> hmm, installing in a vm and didn't see the issue
[18:08] <jdstrand> jsalisbury (and ogasawara): sorry, I can't reproduce in a vm (I even tried upgrading from 3.13.0-63.104~precise1 to 3.13.0-65.106~precise1. the system I saw the issue on is... specialized and I only have reduced logs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12717229/
[18:09] <jsalisbury> jdstrand, would you be able to test some kernels on the system where you can reproduce the bug?
[18:09] <jdstrand> all I can say is that it is on an i386 system. All I did was apt-get upgrade the linux-image-generic-lts-trusty kernel then rebooted and saw that
[18:10] <jdstrand> unfortunately, no. this system is considered critical infrastructure
[18:11] <jdstrand> I'm sorry for not being as helpful as I'd like. if it was almost any other system, I could
[18:11] <jsalisbury> jdstrand, ack
[18:13] <jdstrand> jsalisbury: I saw in the bug that someone said rebooting solved it. I could reboot once-- would that help you?
[18:14] <rtg> jdstrand, is your system `date` normal ?
[18:14] <jdstrand> yes
[18:15] <jdstrand> (it uses ntp and I verified with date that it is correct)
[18:15] <rtg> jdstrand, I mean your RTC. I seem to remember if the time of day was way out of whack, then the certificate check failed
[18:15] <jdstrand> that could be
[18:15] <jdstrand> how do I check that?
[18:16] <rtg> you can just update your RTC by hwsystoclock (I think) lemme check.
[18:17] <rtg> jdstrand, hwclock --systohc
[18:18] <rtg> I think that is generally part of the NTP update anyways
[18:18] <jdstrand> $ sudo hwclock -r
[18:18] <jdstrand> Thu 08 Oct 2015 01:18:14 PM CDT  -0.564058 seconds
[18:18] <jdstrand> that is supposed to show it
[18:18] <rtg> that looks close enough
[18:19] <jdstrand> yeah date shows it is close
[18:19] <rtg> ok, red herring then
[18:19] <jdstrand> $ sudo hwclock -r ; date
[18:19] <jdstrand> Thu 08 Oct 2015 01:19:27 PM CDT  -0.588061 seconds
[18:19] <jdstrand> Thu Oct  8 13:19:27 CDT 2015
[18:23] <jsalisbury> jdstrand, I guess you could try a reboot and see if it resolves things, since it fixed it for someone else.  I'll keep a close eye out for similar bugs being reported.
[18:30] <jdstrand> jsalisbury: no issues: [    6.280265] Loaded X.509 cert 'Magrathea: Glacier signing key: d73704f98fab8927e462b2d8aa80377a6fca5db3'
[18:31] <jdstrand> weird
[18:31] <jsalisbury> jdstrand, yeah, that is strange.  I be sure to keep an eye out for others reporting it.
[18:39] <TJ-> jdstrand: looking at those log timestamps, the original log showed '[701031.xxx]', which equates to ~ 8 days up-time. Is that when the problem boot occurred?
[18:39] <jdstrand> TJ-: no. I upgraded that kernel today
[18:40] <jdstrand> is it possible that the newer kernel's modules tried to get loaded on the old kernel?
[18:40] <TJ-> jdstrand: Hmmm, I wonder how the timestamp appears to not have reset at boot.
[18:41] <jdstrand> note this: Oct  8 10:13:34 <redacted> kernel: Kernel logging (proc) stopped.
[18:41] <jdstrand> that was left out of my previous paste
[18:41] <jdstrand> when I rebooted a moment ago, I saw this pop out: Oct  8 13:24:49 <redacted> kernel: Kernel logging (proc) stopped.
[18:42] <jdstrand> that suggests to me that the new modules either got loaded prior to reboot, or the key from the new modules was used to evaluate the old modules


[00:50] <InHisName> Well, you've had 3:22 to zip over and have a quick one and live to tell us all about it.
[09:26] <rmg51> Morning
[09:51] <JonathanD> morning.
[12:01] <jedijf> morning
[12:03] <JonathanD> Whats up jedijf
[12:03] <JonathanD> meh, I better get out of here and get to work :)
[12:03] <JonathanD> back soon.
[12:35] <waltman> morning
[12:45] <JonathanD> waltman: going to mac thing saturday?
[13:06] <waltman> yup
[13:06] <waltman> I wouldn't miss it!
[13:51] <JonathanD> Cool
[13:51] <JonathanD> waltman: have you ever used irc?
[14:00] <ChinnoDog> That seems like a strange question
[14:02] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: it is.
[14:04] <ChinnoDog> JonathanD: I haven't ever used IRC. In fact, I'm not even here right now.
[14:10] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: the thing I'm doing at the mac meeting is an intro to IRC>
[14:19] <waltman> JonathanD: Once or twice back in college :)
[15:04] <ChinnoDog> Anyone have an opinion on the Samsung S3?
[15:04] <ChinnoDog> I was waiting for the Motorola Photon LTE but now that the specs are out I am not impressed. Samsung S3 looks nice assuming battery life is good.
[16:10] <MutantTurkey> S3
[16:10] <MutantTurkey> I dunno
[16:10] <MutantTurkey> I have the S
[16:10] <MutantTurkey> the origin galaxy
[16:10] <MutantTurkey> so I am going with the S3 when my upgrade swings around
[16:11] <MutantTurkey> I've been pretty impressed on how well its held up so I have had good results with samsung
[16:11] <MutantTurkey> I suggest getting an extended battery if you are that worried or just bring a charger to work, car and where ever....
[16:14] <jedijf> mod
[16:16] <MutantTurkey> yes mod
[17:26] <ChinnoDog> I just bough S3 32GB online
[17:26] <ChinnoDog> I saw the 16GB version at Sprint store. I liked it.
[17:27] <MutantTurkey> cool
[17:27] <ChinnoDog> Battery life on S3 is really long
[17:28] <ChinnoDog> Hopefully it will reduce outlet surfing activities
[17:29] <ChinnoDog> It has dual core. So, I'll be happy to boot up Ubuntu mobile any time now...
[17:31] <ChinnoDog> Seems to me that if Ubuntu mobile is not going to replace the kernel that it could be packaged as an app in the store
[17:32] <MutantTurkey> good good
[17:32] <MutantTurkey> I will be gtting one soon
[17:33] <MutantTurkey> though ubuntu mobile seems meh
[18:37] <ChinnoDog> Is there anything that prevents me or anyone else from packaging the Ubuntu mobile components as my own distribution and putting it into the app store right now? Mint Mobile?
[18:42] <MutantTurkey> no
[18:42] <MutantTurkey> but is the source available yet?
[18:45] <ChinnoDog> idk. I kind of assumed it was but I could be wrong.
[18:47] <pleia2> no, it's not available yet
[18:47] <pleia2> there have been some prototypes at conferences, but it's not yet released
[18:48] <ChinnoDog> oh. k. hmm
[18:49] <ChinnoDog> I don't think I am getting a case for the next phone. Phones are getting way too big as it is.
[18:49] <pleia2> I just have one of these: http://www.fitbag.de/
[18:50]  * pleia2 got a pink sparkley one
[18:52] <MutantTurkey> for the record I have not had a phone for the 1.5 years I have had this galaxy S
[18:53] <MutantTurkey> the last one I had broke from a hardware defect.
[18:53] <MutantTurkey> gorilla glass++
[18:53] <ChinnoDog> pleia2: stylish, but not for me
[18:53] <MutantTurkey> ChinnoDog: just don't get a case
[18:53] <ChinnoDog> I already have a dedicated pocket for my phone. That will be sufficient.
[18:53] <MutantTurkey> heck I've dropped tihs on concrete more times than I can remember.
[18:54] <MutantTurkey> its O.K
[18:54] <MutantTurkey> though don't let it out in the rain
[18:54] <ChinnoDog> I dropped my first Evo on concrete and smashed the screen. Then I got a case. lol
[18:54] <pleia2> I throw my phone in my purse and other places that have keys, pocket knives and screwdrivers
[18:54] <MutantTurkey> (actually my home buttons broke this week after there was a torrential downpour at the beach
[18:54] <MutantTurkey> ChinnoDog: the SIII has gorilla glass, I wouldn't worry about it.
[18:54] <MutantTurkey> even keys and such.
[18:54] <MutantTurkey> small scratches but my screen is still working very well.
[18:54] <ChinnoDog> Metal is harder than glass. It will scratch.
[18:55] <ChinnoDog> Diamond earrings will scratch it too but I don't have that problem
[18:55] <ChinnoDog> c'mon turkey. Earth science class in HS. Substances with higher hardness will scratch lower hardness.
[18:58] <ChinnoDog> http://anythingbutipod.com/2009/04/glass-screen-durability-test-a-lesson-on-the-mohs-hardness-scale/
[18:59] <ChinnoDog> There is a violent picture on there
[19:17] <ChinnoDog> Sexy. http://www.amazon.com/KaysCase-Leather-Samsung-Galaxy-Packaging/dp/B0088BPM9C/ref=pd_cp_e_3


[19:50] <BajK> the only downside in maverick was that the config utility wasnt installed right away, so if you knew it, you installed it and were set. Now in Natty they did whatever and ruined it (hey, they can squeeze patience on the CD)
[19:50] <BajK> BluesKaj: openssh-client is already installed
[19:51] <keithzg> I run some samba shares myself, and mysteriously although stuff like XBMC can connect to them fine, no windows installs can... not to harp on it, but as said, sftp already works and is graphical in the file manager.
[19:51] <BajK> BluesKaj: and now?
[19:51] <BluesKaj> theninstall openssh-server
[19:51] <BluesKaj> on both machines
[19:51] <BajK> next thing: what is wrong with that policykit thing? why even HAVE a "Remebmer authorization" checkbox?
[19:51] <BluesKaj> so you can copy back and forth
[19:52] <BajK> ok installed on both
[19:52] <BajK> ok and how can I now share files and access them?
[19:53] <keithzg> Just go to the url sftp://ipaddress or sftp://hostname
[19:53] <BajK> No connection. Failed to resolve hostname bajk-desktop (Name or service not known)
[19:53] <keithzg> (the latter might not work if your router doesn't pass along hostnames, which I know some normal routers lazily don't)
[19:53] <BajK> ah ok
[19:53] <BajK> got it
[19:54] <BajK> thx
[19:54] <keithzg> np
[19:54] <BajK> now I just need to tell my mom to do the same
[19:54] <James147> keithzg: or sftp://sshaliasnamee :) ^^ assuming you ahve one set up
[19:55] <BajK> ssh alias name?
[19:55] <BajK> printing is using that other cups network thing?
[19:56] <BajK> and can I see the computers around me like in samba? or do I always have to TYPE sftp://<IP_ADDRESS>/ ?
[19:57] <James147> BajK: you can assign aliases to ssh so that you dont have to type in the same options every time... ie it lets you type "ssh aliasname" rather then "ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:57] <BajK> and HOW?
[19:57] <James147> ^^ can bundle options as well if you use the same ones allot (ie -X for xforwarding)
[19:58] <BluesKaj> BajK, open dolphin/network/add network folder ,choose ssh, fill in the requirements ...try that , then it will remember the username and pw when you choose the remote folder
[19:58] <James147> BajK: basically: http://www.innovatingtomorrow.net/2008/01/21/type-less-ssh-aliases
[19:58] <keithzg> james147: for now I think he's really just using it for file transfers in Dolphin, so X11 forwarding not being that useful ;)
[19:58] <keithzg> BajK: yeah, printing over the network the built-in way is cups...if you're lucky and you have the computer with the printer set to share printers, the others may even automagically detect over the network
[19:59] <keithzg> (at least, mine did last time I set such things up, which was a nice surprise)
[19:59] <BluesKaj> oh well, to each his own , but having a network folder to choose is eadier than using aliases IMO
[20:00] <gomiboy> why nobody mentioned nfs? :3
[20:00] <BluesKaj> aliases are good for the cli
[20:00] <yofel> he did mention NFS
[20:00] <yofel> but that's trickier to setup than samba IMHO
[20:01] <gomiboy> i don't think so, but, well...
[20:01] <BluesKaj> smb/ssh ftw
[20:03] <keithzg> Personally I use sshfs, but I'm not going to advocate that here since that's a whole 'nother level of complexity to the problem, heh
[20:04]  * James147 has to use smb as hes on a network with windows computers :(
[20:05]  * yofel uses a samba/nfs mix here
[20:05] <keithzg> James147: my old housemates all used Windows, but no matter what we did we could never get their Vista computers to see my samba shares...so ironically, they just used sftp clients haha
[20:05] <yofel> hehe, filezilla FTW :)
[20:06] <James147> keithzg: yeah.. only problem with that is I cant seem to stream over sftp :(
[20:06] <keithzg> James147: that's why I use sshfs, actually
[20:07] <BajK> great, and digikam doesnt save scanned files when saved using sftp
[20:08] <keithzg> Wait what? What exactly do you mean?
[20:08] <BajK> instead of<EMAIL_ADDRESS>it saves at file:///home/bajk/Scan1.jpeg
[20:08] <BajK> or well, it doesnt save, it just writes a corrupt file there
[20:09] <keithzg> huh. Apologies, I've never used sftp for anything like that (I just use sshfs for my permanent shares), didn't know of any issues like that.
[20:10] <BajK> hm
[20:10] <BajK> and that policykit is also so annyoing
[20:10] <BajK> and I thouhgt VIstas UAC horrible
[20:11] <keithzg> You mean the prompting for password? UAC is just annoying, since it doesn't even make it more secure...they were, ironically, modelling it after stuff like PolicyKit.
[20:11] <BajK> but Uac doesnt ask you EVERY SINGLE TIME
[20:11] <BajK> why even bother having a "Remember authorization" checkbox?
[20:11] <BajK> it works on NONE of my computers
[20:11] <BajK> so, you install for example an application and uninstall anotehr and upgrading
[20:11] <James147> BajK: but nether does it authenticate you... amkes it pointlessly anoying...
[20:11] <BajK> you get FOUR PROMPTS for your password
[20:12] <BajK> one for INstalling an signed package, one for installing an unsigned package, one for uninstalling and one for updating
[20:12] <keithzg> Well, that's odd. I tried it once on a computer I didn't care about and the remembering worked fine . . . but I usually use Synaptic or such, which just prompt for pass when you start the program and that's it.
[20:12] <James147> not sure why it seems to expire the session immedently though... that part is anoying
[20:14] <BajK> back when I started wth Kubuntu it worked
[20:14] <BajK> in Jaunty there was even a policykit thing in systemsettings
[20:14] <BajK> then with my new computer I instaled 10.04 freshjly (without keeping my files and stuff, so a new polkit config) then the trouble began
[20:14] <BajK> and that tool is even removed now..
[20:16] <James147> BajK: that tool was removed because it didnt work with the new backend they switched to which was deprectated as far as I know
[20:16] <BajK> and how can I make it remember the authorization?
[20:16] <BajK> it is fine that it expires after like 10 minute (like sudo)
[20:16] <BajK> but not EVERY TIME
[20:16] <BajK> i install digikam, click ok, and remember "oh i need kolourpaint", click that, and again it wants my password
[20:16] <BajK> even for UPDATES now it wants it, it didnt to that back then
[20:18] <delac> how to open executable files with left click in Dolphin?
[20:19] <delac> I mean open in some other program like Kate.
[20:19] <BluesKaj> BajK, open dolphin/network/add network folder ,choose ssh, fill in the requirements ...try that , then it will remember the username and pw when you choose the remote folder
[20:19] <BajK> hm?
[20:20] <BajK> I have that already
[20:20] <keithzg> delac: sure you don't want to just left-click and choose "open with" and choose kate? Or drag-drop into an open Kate window?
[20:20] <BluesKaj> hmmm what , it works
[20:20] <BluesKaj> BajK, you don'r have it if it doesn'tr work
[20:21] <BajK> what has that do to with policykit?
[20:21] <BluesKaj> what's your obsession with policykit
[20:21] <delac> keithzg: what I'm trying to achive is more in line of: not accidentaly running scripts I just want to read
[20:21] <BajK> that it is annoying as hell?
[20:21] <BajK> that it doesnt remember the password I entered 5 seconds ago?
[20:22] <BluesKaj> then don't use it
[20:23] <markit> hi, I would like to know / understand how to play mp3, dvd and wav using only Free software ignoring patents issues. The kubuntu-restricted-extras unfotrunatly installs proprietary Flash player among other. Any idea?
[20:23] <BajK> BluesKaj: and how?!
[20:23] <markit> In short, I want to use only software that is Free Software (GPL / LGPL)
[20:23] <BajK> markit: then dont tick the "Install proprietary driversr" thing on install :D
[20:24] <James147> markit: for mp3 try lame ^^ i think that is open
[20:24] <keithzg> delac: if you right-click on a file, go to properties, across from "Type: whatevertypeitis" there should be a wrench icon, click on that and you're editing the default programs for that filetype
[20:24] <BajK> ah misread your question
[20:24] <markit> BajK: I'm talking about command line (aptitude) or kpackagekit
[20:24] <BajK> markit: ah
[20:24] <BajK> there is a filter for that
[20:24] <BajK> right of the search bar
[20:24] <BajK> you can click "Filter" and choose Free -> Only free software
[20:25] <James147> !gnash | markit
[20:25] <markit> James147: I don't need flash players, I need wav and dvd at the moment
[20:25] <markit> (thanks, I've already installed gnash)
[20:25] <markit> and was looking for an easy way to install all relevant Free software
[20:25] <markit> without the risk of enable proprietary repositories or install proprietary program
[20:26] <markit> (I have to send instructions to a friend)
[20:26] <markit> i.e. non-free-codecs  package seems good, but as far as I understand, I have to enable mediabunto repo, correct?
[20:27] <markit> something kpackagekit does not list...
[20:27] <markit> so I'm confused
[20:27] <keithzg> shouldn't have to, for DVDs there's a script likely already installed
[20:28] <keithzg> If the package libdvdread4 is installed, running "sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh" from the command line should pull in the right packages for reading dvds without enabling any extra repos.
[20:29] <markit> keithzg: but is a 2 step procedure
[20:30] <markit> keithzg: if I would have said "install whatever you want I don't care about freedom" kubuntu autolatically would have done this (and also the bad things like proprietary software)
[20:30] <markit> so woundering if there is a "easy" way to do what I want without injecting proprietary spyware in my computer
[20:30] <keithzg> markit: ...but, I mean, this is the way.
[20:30] <markit> (or the computer of my friend in this case)
[20:30] <markit> keithzg: ah, the only way, ok
[20:31] <markit> then I have to find the single packages for mp3 and wav, I suppose
[20:31] <markit> a long "hunting" procedure
[20:31] <keithzg> markit: libdvdread4 is probably already installed, if not it's in the main repos; the script just pulls in the decss and such libs which Ubuntu can't host direct for the aforementioned patent reasons
[20:31] <markit> wondering in what part of kubuntu the list of what to install is keept
[20:31] <delac> keithzg: unfortunately changing the file associations don't help. Dolphin still just runs the file if it is set as executable.
[20:31] <markit> keithzg: sure, I understand and would be able to do , but my friend is less "techie"
[20:32] <markit> keithzg: trying some kubuntu installation I've seen that you have a "popup" asking you if you want to install dvd support (don't remember the exact words)
[20:32] <markit> and it does it automatically, without you having to open the terminal
[20:32] <markit> so wondered if there is a package that does it in a single step
[20:33] <keithzg> markit: yeah, it's possible that something like that exists, but honestly then you'll have to give them complex instructions, whereas the command is just "copy-paste this into the terminal, then later press enter again."
[20:33] <markit> :)
[20:33] <markit> "what is a terminal?"
[20:34] <markit> "where is the "ok" button?" "what is 'enter'?"
[20:34] <markit> etc :)
[20:34] <keithzg> you're going to have that problem with the GUI method then too!
[20:34] <markit> (just exagerating a little, but you know what is the average level out there)
[20:34] <markit> keithzg: lol, probably, but will not be "because GNU/Linux is so difficoult you have to open that black window"
[20:35] <keithzg> Oh, yeah, sure. But that's why I often go with the CLI way, since it's way harder something to get people like that to navigate through complex windows
[20:35] <keithzg> markit: that, I shan't argue with; people associate text == hard, regardless of the actual circumstance *sigh*
[20:36] <ep> on 11.04 need to add ~/bin to the $PATH variable.   ~/.profile has code for this (not commented out btw)  I added these lines to ./bashrc, rebooted.  Didn't work.  How do I do this?
[20:37] <markit> keithzg: I've been shocked that I had to boot choosing a different kernel, and when he saw the grub menu said "hope you don't think I will have to use something like that!"
[20:37] <markit> and me "is just a matter of press "enter" or wait 10 senconds, where is the problem?"
[20:37] <markit> "but is HARD"
[20:37] <markit> I think M$empire has reduced brain capabilities of PC users to 0 or so
[20:38]  * markit is in rant mode
[20:38] <keithzg> Apple is to blame too . . . they won't even LET you cut and paste using keyboard shortcuts in their file manager anymore, WTF?
[20:40] <keithzg> ep: that's odd, have you tried then running bash deliberately from the terminal (I know, should be already the shell you're using, but still....)
[20:42] <keithzg> markit: looking at it, kubuntu-restricted-extras doesn't seem to actually depend on any version of flash, so you should be able to pull that one in safely for mp3s
[20:43] <keithzg> markit: looks like it's kubuntu-restricted-addons that includes flashplugin-installer. If you just look at the dependencies there, that should tell you what packages you need to install to get everything but avoid flash.
[20:43] <ep> keithzg: omg  i thought i previously created the 'bin' directory... but i didn't :-)  I'm gonna retry this
[20:44] <markit> keithzg: I've done an aptitude show kubuntu-restricted-extras
[20:44] <markit> and tells about flash and other "nice" proprietary things, as far as I understand
[20:44] <markit> keithzg: mmm dependencies, good suggestion
[20:44] <Zer0_1022> can anyone see this
[20:44] <markit> (I'm on debian, my netbook has kubuntu, let me test there)
[20:45] <Zer0_1022> hi everyone
[20:45] <keithzg> Zer0_1022: see you "loud and clear"
[20:45] <markit> btw, is so far successful upgrade 10.10 -> 11.04 rate good?
[20:45] <keithzg> markit: yeah, if you look at the dependencies for kubuntu-restricted-extras and kubuntu-restricted-addons, between the two you should be able to work out which packages you actually want
[20:45] <Zer0_1022> nice , i just kubuntu installed last night , been trying for a month to get it working
[20:46] <markit> keithzg: I've got the idea, very useful suggestion, thanks a lot
[20:46] <keithzg> markit: No problem. Before I run off, in regards to the upgrade, I have BIG problems on the one comp I've tried it on
[20:47] <markit> keithzg: (still booting) but as far as I remember was not for "wav" file format
[20:47] <Zer0_1022> i was trying to install maverick meerkat but i could only get to the text login screen and when i finally got the desktop up it gave me some kind of error and i looked online and they said the best thing to do was a fresh install
[20:47] <markit> keithzg: oh, better wait some days then
[20:47] <Zer0_1022> so i downloaded natty narwhal and had it installed and was on kubuntu in less than a hour
[20:47] <keithzg> markit: I was running the PPA for 4.6 on that computer, which was probably the root of the issue, but yeah, best to wait if there's no dire need
[20:48] <keithzg> Zer0_1022: heh, nice
[20:48] <markit> I've 4.6 ppa too! :)
[20:48] <Zer0_1022> i tried to get 10.10 working for at least 3 weeks
[20:48]  * keithzg runs out the door... never enough time in the day!
[20:49] <Zer0_1022> i had some questions and was trying to find somewhere i could get some answers in real time and ended up here
[20:50] <markit> keithzg: mm tehre is the warning "you should not install these packages directly..."
[20:51] <Zer0_1022> could someone help me out for a min
[20:51] <Zer0_1022> i just have a couple of questions
[20:52] <Zer0_1022> about KU
[20:54] <OerHeks> Zer0_1022, just ask, maybe someone knows the answer :-)
[20:55] <Who> guys my kubuntu installation is stuck restoring previously installed packages at 90%
[20:55] <Who> for about 30-45 mins
[20:55] <Zer0_1022> cani run .exe files on kubuntu. i downloaded a screensaver and its a .exe file and im not sure how to open it
[20:55] <Who> is that normal
[20:55] <Zer0_1022> and , will it work if i install it
[20:55] <wols> Who: probably not
[20:55] <OerHeks> an .exe is a windows-executable, ubuntu does not use those files.
[20:56] <Zer0_1022> i didnt think so , the site i got it from was supposed to be for kde or so i thought
[20:56] <wols> Zer0_1022: no you can't. you run run it under WINE but screensavers in .exe files are usually malware anyways
[20:56] <OerHeks> if you want to use windows programms, other than screensaver, Wine is the answer
[20:56] <wols> Who: on which package is it stuck?
[20:56] <Zer0_1022> what is wine
[20:56] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine
[20:57] <brian> Hello
[20:57] <brian> Is anyone on that would be willing to help me with an issue
[20:57] <wols> brian: never ask to ask
[20:57] <Who> wols: how to check that ?
[20:57] <Guest86473> Mmk
[20:57] <Guest86473> Well so
[20:57] <Zer0_1022> how do i get screensavers for kubuntu
[20:58] <Who> cause i only see a progress bar
[20:58] <wols> Who: top might tell
[20:58] <wols> Who: run pstree then you see what children there are for your gui packaging app. then use ps or top to check the commandlines of these children processes
[20:59] <Guest86473> I installed Ubuntu 10.10 awhile back.  That went fine.  My computer has the whole GRUB thingy goin on.  So on my GRUB menu are Ubuntu 10.10 and Windows 7.  Now I installed 11.04 on my Windows system, so the Ubuntu 11.04 is on the Windows Boot Loader.  How do I fix it so that the ubuntu 11.04 is the grub and the ubuntu 10.10 is gone?
[20:59] <wols> Zer0_1022: kde-look.org has some. and apt-cache search screensaver  should give you some too
[21:00] <Guest86473> Would just creating an Ubuntu 11.04 then deleting the Ubuntu 10.10 partition and installing 11.04 work
[21:00] <OerHeks> i was checking http://kubuntu-art.org/ but they don't provide screensavers, kde-look doos indeed
[21:00] <wols> Guest86473: do you really have two ubuntu partitions?
[21:01] <Guest86473> Yeah, it's a whole big mess.  I made a mistake.
[21:01] <Guest86473> actually
[21:01] <Guest86473> I'll try to explain
[21:01] <Who> well its look ubiquity or Knotify
[21:02] <Guest86473> So, in my windows disk manager, I deleted the Ubuntu 10.10 partition to start with a fresh 11.04.  That was a bad idea.  I soon realized that corrupted my GRUB.  So I couldn't boot into WIndows after that.  To fix that I reinstalled from an old 10.10 disc.
[21:02] <Guest86473> So thats why the 10.10 partition is existant.
[21:02] <Who> wols: well its look ubiquity or Knotify
[21:03] <wols> Who: you can kill the processes if you want and restart you upgrade later. ideally with apt-get upgrade or such
[21:03] <Guest86473> I think I might just try restarting with a Ubuntu 11.04 disc
[21:03] <Guest86473> Gotta go grab a blank one to burn though
[21:04] <PasNox> hello
[21:05] <wols> Guest86473: first thing you should do is make backups :)
[21:05] <PasNox> i m using a french apple aluminium keyboard zith natty and kde is running in qwerty mode
[21:05] <PasNox> it was working fine before the upgrade when running maaverick
[21:06] <Guest86473> wols: Yeah, all I really have to back up are some projects I was playing with in Visual Studio.  And my music library, but I have a copy of that with me at all times on my Droid 2.
[21:06] <PasNox> the tty are running fine in azerty ... any idea i m desperate right now
[21:09] <gomiboy> PasNox: open system settings --> Input devices and add your keyboard layout
[21:09] <areichman> hello. Just wanted to say thanks to everybody here. I just installed 11.04 and had a great system up and running in less than an hour with no hassles. Thanks for all the work that was put into it
[21:10] <PasNox> gomiboy: already done does not works
[21:10] <PasNox> it only works when i switch to generic 105 keys then back to apple
[21:13] <george_> Hello. Rekonq does not play any videos, but there is sound. Any way to fix it? Thanks.
[21:13] <Guest62421> ololo
[21:14] <Guest62421> привет всем
[21:18] <tommis> how can i sing buttons on my mouse to functions on kde?
[21:21] <kalib> How can I disable this kdewallet? I hate this ... everytime asking me for a password... :/
[21:22] <kalib> anyone?
[21:23] <gomiboy> kalib: System settings -> account details -> wallet -> disable
[21:23] <ruan> ...is the "run command" option on desktop for doing bash commands?
[21:23] <ruan> because i just did "sleep 4h 25m && wget url" and it suspended my machine twice
[21:25] <brian_> Does anyone here know how to switch from the GRUB bootloader back to my Windows 7 boot loader?
[21:25] <kalib> gomiboy, thanks
[21:25] <gomiboy> ruan: :) try deactivating powerdevil plugin in it's conf
[21:26] <wols> brian_: you boot from a windows CD, go into the repair console and run fixmbr and fixboot
[21:26] <gomiboy> brian_: win7 boot loader can't boot linux
[21:26] <wols> gomiboy: it can
[21:26] <wols> chainloading is always possible
[21:26] <ruan> gomiboy: thanks.
[21:27] <gomiboy> if you install grub on partition... maybe :)
[21:27] <wols> yes, linux needs its own bootloader as well, cause otherwise it can't boot
[21:28] <ruan> adding grub to win7 bootloader?
[21:33] <Zer0_1022> can anyone tell me how to get screensavers for Kubuntu 11.04
[21:33] <gomiboy> ruan: anyway i'd use an 'at' command instead of sleep 4h :)
[21:33] <Zer0_1022> im new to Linux and im trying to get some screensavers
[21:34] <tommis> Zer0_1022: goto kde-look.org
[21:36] <arpan> Zer0_1022: Kmenu -> System Settings -> Display & Monitor -> Screen Saver
[21:37] <arpan> Zer0_1022: once you go there, there should be a pop up in notification area asking if you want to install set of default screensavers.
[21:38]  * arpan is away: Gone away for now
[21:38] <mbishop> I upgraded to 11.04 the other day, and now Amarok streams don't display the stream info properly
[21:38] <mbishop> any idea/fix?
[21:38] <shadeslayer> mbishop: possible regression in amarok?
[21:39] <shadeslayer> the guys at #amarok might be able to shed more light on this
[21:39] <Zer0_1022> arpan , i went there and when the popup opened i closed it and now it wont pop back up
[21:39] <mbishop> shadeslayer: alright, I'll ask
[21:40] <ricardo> someone help me to use virtualbox
[21:41] <wols> ricardo: you need to ask more specific questions if you want help
[21:42] <ricardo> wols: I tring to install win7 but the virtualbox but the boot dont open with iso
[21:42] <ricardo> why/
[21:44] <Ademan> with the livecd I'm getting a monochrome dialog box stating kstartupconfig4 either doesn't exist or errored, the error code is 127 (not verbatim) `sudo service kdm restart` produces the same error
[21:53] <swattie> +Z
[21:59] <Ademan-kubuntu> odd, I just rebooted and tried again and had no problem
[21:59] <Ademan-kubuntu> It's been a long time since I've used KDE but this is great, it feels very polished, and is running well from the LiveCD on an ancient machine. My compliments to the KDE and Kubuntu teams
[22:03] <James147> bah and after all that it crashed right at the end
[22:14] <tommis> if i diss able kwin, and enable it again, my panel loses transparency even though kwin is running, how can i fix this behavior?
[22:17] <James147> tommis: disable kwin?
[22:20] <tommis> James147: yes
[22:20] <James147> tommis: what do you mean be that... if you kill kwin you lose the ability to focus on things and it becomes almost impossible to actuallt start it again
[22:21] <tommis> shift alt f2 is the keycombo
[22:21] <tommis> it isn't that hard...
[22:21] <James147> tommis: so desktop effects... thats only part of kwin :)
[22:21] <tommis> aah okay
[22:22] <tommis> sry, i am a newbie
[22:22] <James147> so your saying after you reenabled the desktop effects the panels stays non transparent?
[22:23] <tommis> yes
[22:24] <James147> tommis: hmm... well I would suggest creating a new user and see if the problem happens for them as well
[22:24] <tommis> this is a clean install
[22:25]  * James147 wonders why he always seems to suggest that as a debugging step for weird problems like this :S
[22:25] <James147> tommis: even a clean home drive?
[22:25] <tommis> yep
[22:28] <James147> tommis: then system settings > desktop effects > advanced... you could try playing wth thouse settings
[22:28] <James147> possibally disabling the functionaly checks
[22:31] <tommis> it is weird that all the other stuff turns back transparent
[22:45] <aguimaraes> hey there, i've just installed kubuntu on my vaio laptop but i can't seem to dim the screen brightness, the system recognizes the command but it doesn't really do anything. any ideias?
[22:59] <delac> does dolphin have any way to search hidden files?
[23:03] <harleen> hello
[23:04] <Ademan-kubuntu> so I stupidly set my bouncing ball widget to auto bounce, and set the amount wayyy too high, now I can't click on it to delete it.  Though a palsmoid manager dosnt sound like a bad idea for a project :)
[23:10] <brontosaurusrex> any ways to center widget on screen? or keep it centered?
[23:11] <Ademan-kubuntu> I don't know, but in that same vein, some sort of alignment tools would be really nice for aligning widgets, right now I'm just trying to eyeball alignments, and that's OK I guess, I dunno...
[23:11] <James147> ^^ there is the desktop grid activity
[23:27] <ep> i installed open-jdk, unfortunely there's a sound issue with a java app I run.   Is there an  help-file for either intalling both open-jdk and sun's jre?
[23:27] <ep> 11.04
[23:27] <James147> !java
[23:27] <James147> !partner
[23:31] <ep> James147: i can install sun's java via those instructions but what do I do about the open-jdk i already installed?   Purge it?  Remove it?   WHat's the specific aptitued command?
[23:32] <James147> ep: if it conflicts then it will be removed if not then you can ignore it .... if you want to make sure its removed then your can remove it.... if you want to make sure its pruged then you can purge it
[23:32] <ep> James147:  what's the difference between purge and remove ?
[23:33] <James147> purge removes associated config files
[23:34] <James147> generally removed is used if you know you want to reinstall it... or dont care about old configs... purge is used if you want to remove the configs
[23:35] <James147> either to reinstall it cleanly or if you dont want old configs on your system
[23:35] <ep> no risk of it removing something some other app needs?
[23:36] <James147> ep: the risk is they will be uninstalled with it
[23:36] <ep> ok, thanks
[23:36] <James147> ep: to avoid that install the replacment first...
[23:36] <ep> okay
[23:37] <Ademan-kubuntu> how does rekonq handle javascript? The Wikipedia page rekonq.kde.org both don't mention it
[23:37] <James147> ep: if they conflict then the old will be removed and the new installed... but what depends on it wont be touched
[23:42] <ep> James147: one final thing.   Do i substitute "natty" for "maverick"  in the repository url given in those instructions?
[23:45] <James147> yes
[23:53] <ep> James147:  I should of read the help file better because it would of told about running update-alternatives and selecting the java version i want to use.  You know how ppl are with help files :p    Anyway life is good now, thanks.


[01:10] <Unit193> xfce4-taskmanager, xfce4-weather-plugin, xfce4-terminal, xfce4-screenshooter and xfce4-screensaver uploaded if we can remember to sync. :P
[11:34] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfdesktop 4.19.2 released<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:00] <bluesabre> Thanks Unit193!
[21:13] <Unit193> Ahhh, there's xfdesktop.
[21:14] <Unit193> bluesabre: They should all be sync'd.
[22:01] <bluesabre> <3