 @RikMills is the flavor sync going on?
 Yes (re @ahoneybun: @RikMills is the flavor sync going on?)
 yep
 Crap
 Traffic
 link?
 https://meet.google.com/rab-rnpi-qxu?authuser=0
 We'll see if I know anything lol
 @Rick_Timmis Love the hat
 Nice... 😃
 https://github.com/pop-os/core ;)
 @RikMills love your comments btw
 oof
 @RikMills I think we need to have another meeting as flavors about this flatpak issue.
 probably. I am not happy
 No I can tell.
 I think the word choice did not help for sure.
 You know we could just include it in the backports PPA.
 But most likely will be issues when they see it.
 The point is that if we drop it, they want us to do it silently without justification to users
 I'm just worried about what it will break for users more then anything.
 Obviously their justification is that they don't want the competition for snaps
 I mean I get that from a point but still.
 Which they won't come out and say publically
 "So Rik, why did you drop the discover flatpak backend?"
 I don't intend to tell fibs is asked that
 I mean I won't. Like I'm not going to lie to the community.
 Anyway..... more important things to do :)


[04:21] <robert_ancell> How can I get ppa:ubuntu-desktop/xmir building armhf packages?
[04:23] <robert_ancell> wow, this gets asked a lot on answers.launchpad.net
[04:24] <robert_ancell> wgrant seems to be the person who's enabling them all :)
[04:24] <wgrant> That's correct.
[04:28] <robert_ancell> wgrant, should I make a request on answers.launchpad.net?
[04:29] <wgrant> robert_ancell: That's best, yes.
[04:32] <robert_ancell> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/266545
[04:33] <robert_ancell> wgrant, what's the likely ETA on a change like that? Sooner would be better.
[04:33] <wgrant> robert_ancell: Seconds.
[04:33] <wgrant> Done.
[04:34] <robert_ancell> wgrant, thanks!
[04:37] <wgrant> np
[07:03] <mvo> hey, good morning! I'm very excited about the git support in LP. I converted the snappy bzr to git and pushed it to git+ssh://git.launchpad.net/snappy - when I look at this branch in https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/snappy/+git/snappy I see its owned by "mvo"  - sorry for the silly question, but how can I make the branch ~snappy-dev team owned?
[07:08] <mvo> I'm also trying to find the knob/button/link to propose a MP from https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/+git/snappy/ (or https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/+git/snappy/+ref/feature/add-git-docs) into lp:snappy. help appreciated :)
[07:15] <wgrant> mvo: ~mvo/+git/snappy isn't in a project -- it's the git equivalent of a +junk branch.
[07:16] <wgrant> You probably want ~mvo/snappy, which is your repo for the snappy project.
[07:16] <wgrant> (currently you refer to that in the web UI as https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/snappy/+git/snappy, until we sort out exactly how to present it on https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/snappy)
[07:17] <wgrant> You can only change a git repo owner through the API today.
[07:17] <wgrant> Ah, and of course ~mvo/snappy == snappy at the moment, until you change the owner...
[07:18] <mvo> wgrant: yeah, I would like to have ~snappy-dev/snappy == snappy :) I will check out how to use the API to change that
[07:18] <wgrant> mvo: lp-shell production devel, r = lp.load('/~mvo/snappy/+git/snappy'), r.owner = '/~snappy-dev'; r.lp_save()
[07:18] <mvo> wgrant: thanks, thats very helpful  - so once that is sorted I will have a request MP in the web ui (?)
[07:18] <wgrant> Then you can push to /~mvo/snappy and it will create a separate repo for you.
[07:18] <mvo> thanks a lot, let me do that
[07:18] <wgrant> Yes, you'll see the normal merge proposal link.
[07:19] <mvo> \o/
[07:19] <wgrant> It just doesn't exist for non-project repos, as it doesn't for non-project branches.
[07:19]  * mvo nods
[07:26] <mvo> wgrant: thanks, works like a charm now
[07:27] <wgrant> mvo: Great.
[09:34] <cjwatson> wgrant,mvo_: Yesterday it started bothering me (again?) that when you push to a nonexistent project default repository, the resulting repository ends up owned by the requester rather than the project owner.  But the problem with fixing that is that we also want to set the owner-target default (/~snappy-dev/snappy) and ~mvo doesn't have permissions to do that.
[09:34] <cjwatson> We should possibly revisit this, though, because I think we've ended up with a nonintuitive behaviour.
[09:35] <cjwatson> Perhaps in this case we could check if /~snappy-dev/snappy already exists while /snappy doesn't; if it exists, forbid the push, if it doesn't exist, override permissions
[09:36] <cjwatson> I remember talking about this case when putting the whole thing together, but that was a while ago.
[09:39] <mvo_> cjwatson: yeah, I was confused that it was owned by me and that I could not easily change it. would be nice to have a way to override that
[09:39] <cjwatson> Well, I don't think you should have had to override it, I think the default is wrong.
[09:40] <cjwatson> Though indeed the owner should be settable in the UI.  We're still putting that kind of thing together ...
[10:15]  * mvo_ nods
[10:25] <wgrant> cjwatson: I think it probably makes sense to allow any member of the team to set the owner-target default, at least in the current model, since it will make that issue a little easier to resolve in an obvious way.
[10:28] <cjwatson> Hm, I thought that was already the case, but my tests failed.
[10:28] <cjwatson> Oh, right, it's any admin of the team right now.
[10:28] <wgrant> Yep, requires launchpad.Edit.
[10:29] <cjwatson> I agree, that seems like a decent compromise at the moment.
[10:29] <cjwatson> Will attack today.
[10:29] <cjwatson> Definitely better than removing the security proxy ...
[10:30] <wgrant> It needs to perform a proper permission check, just not that one.
[10:30] <wgrant> So removing the security proxy isn't correct.
[10:30] <cjwatson> Yeah
[10:30] <cjwatson> I'm a bit distracted today because we have KITTENS
[10:30] <wgrant> Oh that finally happened
[10:30] <wgrant> How many?
[10:31] <cjwatson> Four
[10:31] <cjwatson> She hid in my wardrobe last night to have them, so I got to rescue several kittens from the depths of the wardrobe this morning :-)
[10:34] <wgrant> Heh
[20:14] <nickoe> \o/
[23:34] <grue_pm> cjwatson: that's really cute.


[14:17] <dholbach> hey hey
[14:17] <dholbach> I have a question about the channels for UOS
[14:17] <dholbach> there's #ubuntu-uds which has 1403 in the topic
[14:18] <dholbach> and then there's #ubuntu-uos which is invite only
[14:18] <dholbach> does anyone have an idea what's happening there?
[14:19] <k1l_> seems like -uos is forwarding to -uds
[14:20] <balloons> AlanBell, you about perhaps?
[14:20] <AlanBell> balloons: yes
[14:22] <balloons> AlanBell, we're having a little confusion because of the older #ubuntu-uds-* channels. Can you help close those down / point them to the new #ubuntu-uos-* channels?
[14:22] <balloons> specifically, close/migrate #ubuntu-uds to #ubuntu-uos to start
[14:23] <AlanBell> I can't do it, and I am a little unsure why it happened
[14:24] <balloons> AlanBell, is there someone who can?  My apologies if that's not the case :-)
[14:24] <AlanBell> tsimpson perhaps?
[14:24] <AlanBell> it could be because of udsbotu
[14:24] <Pricey> AlanBell: What's the error?
[14:24] <Pricey> (Are you trying from this account?)
[14:25] <AlanBell> no error, I just have no superpowah any more
[14:26] <AlanBell> people will seamlessly join the uds channels I think
[14:27] <AlanBell> but I don't know why they were set up and fowarded, might have been a prior UDS. Either way *now* isn't the time to break it all :)
[14:28] <k1l_> maybe Pici knows?
[14:28] <AlanBell> more interestingly it seems that anonymous web users are not voiced in the channels
[14:29] <AlanBell> well, not in #ubuntu-uds-appdev2 at least, presume they are all the same
[14:30] <AlanBell> no, they are voiced, but the redirect is not seamless, you get left pointing to the invite only channel
[14:31] <balloons> well summit is currently pointing people to the UOS channels. Ideally we will use the UOS channels, they will be logged, have a bot etc. But it's more important the channel is setup properly, so if we need to switch . . .
[14:31] <popey> well
[14:31] <popey> #ubuntu-uos-appdev-2 and #ubuntu-uos-appdev-1 both are "invite only"
[14:31] <balloons> popey, it's listed as #ubuntu-uos-appdev
[14:32] <popey> well thats wrong, there's two tracks
[14:32] <popey> mhall119: ^
[14:32] <balloons> and the other is #ubuntu-uds-appdev-2
[14:32] <balloons> so it's SUPER confusing
[14:32] <mhall119> popey: balloons: the first room I created didn't have -1 on it
[14:32] <mhall119> I can add that if desired
[14:33] <popey> it should have, please, to avoid confusion
[14:33] <popey> (although they both redirect)
[14:33] <balloons> I would argue against it actually
[14:33] <popey> why?
[14:33] <balloons> the 2 room should be the only one with it.. but honestly it just needs to use the same naming scheme
[14:33] <balloons> uos or uds
[14:33] <balloons> so I'm not really concerned about -1 or no
[14:34] <popey> ok, I don't want to derail or occupy the time of everyone, I just want there to be the right / appropriate channels match in summit and irc
[14:34] <popey> mhall119: you choose, whatever, you're the one having to do the work
[14:34] <popey> I assume AlanBell cant do anything about the redirects?
[14:35] <AlanBell> nope, but I am doing a little guidance right now . . .
[14:36] <mhall119> AlanBell: let me know if we're using #ubuntu-uos-appdev or #ubuntu-uos-appdev-1 and I'll make any needed changes in Summit
[14:39] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/uos.png
[14:40] <AlanBell> mhall119: udsbotu was in the list of channels you gave me - but then it has been bounced across to s/uos/uds/
[14:40] <AlanBell> udsbotu: channels
[14:40] <udsbotu> Error: That operation cannot be done in a channel.
[14:40] <AlanBell> woah, no it isn't
[14:41] <AlanBell> 14:40 <udsbotu> ##tsimpson-bots, #ubuntu-irc, #ubuntu-uds-appdev-2, #ubuntu-uos-appdev, #ubuntu-uos-cloud, #ubuntu-uos-cloud-2, #ubuntu-uos-community,  #ubuntu-uos-convergence, #ubuntu-uos-core, #ubuntu-uos-plenary, and #ubuntu-uos-showandtell
[14:43] <mhall119> #ubuntu-uds-appdev-2 is wrong, Summit has it listed as #ubuntu-uos-appdev-2
[14:46]  * Pici wanders in
[14:46] <Pici> let me fix the redirections
[14:56] <AlanBell> Pici: erm, not sure that is right
[14:56] <balloons> just need to open #ubuntu-uos-appdev-2
[14:56] <balloons> and #ubuntu-uos
[14:56] <Pici> oops
[14:57] <Pici> uh
[14:58] <popey> yeah, people are getting unable to join #ubuntu-uos-appdev-2
[14:58] <Pici> sorry, you should be able to join now
[14:58] <Pici> I messed up.
[14:59] <Pici> okay, let me do #ubuntu-uds/#ubuntu-uos now
[15:00] <Pici> (correctly)
[15:04] <balloons> Pici, this looks better
[15:04] <balloons> awesome, ty
[15:04] <Pici> np
[20:44] <mhall119> Pici: can you create #ubuntu-uos-overflow for us?
[20:44] <Fuchs> that isn't registered and it's empty,
[20:44] <Fuchs> anyone can register it
[20:44] <Fuchs> (including: you)


[03:06] <rawfodog> Hi, my laptop doesn't hibernate when I close the lid in ubuntu
[03:07] <rawfodog> I was wondering how I can do this, because if I close the lid, the light just stays on and eventually starts to over heat the computer
[03:07] <holstein> rawfodog: ubuntu? 10.04? 11.10?
[03:07] <rawfodog> lubuntu
[03:07] <rawfodog> the latest version
[03:07] <holstein> lubuntu 11.10?
[03:07] <rawfodog> yes
[03:07] <holstein> when i set up an old laptop, i decided to just shut it down and not bother with sleep
[03:08] <rawfodog> I dont want to do that.
[03:08] <holstein> rawfodog: you might not have a choice with that hardware
[03:08] <holstein> i would suggest getting something like the normal ubuntu live CD.. see if that sleeps as expected.. then you can learn what packages you need to add to lubuntu
[03:08] <rawfodog> so it is all laptops ?
[03:08] <holstein> rawfodog: no
[03:09] <rawfodog> ubuntu sleeps when I close the lid
[03:09] <holstein> rawfodog: im saying its potentially your hardware not being supported
[03:09] <holstein> rawfodog: if ubuntu works, then you can learn what packages you need to add to lubuntu to make that work
[03:09] <rawfodog> thanks for the help
[03:09] <holstein> rawfodog: assuming its ubuntu 11.10 and lubuntu 11.10, and not different versions
[03:09] <rawfodog> I'm not that experienced enough to do that
[03:10] <holstein> rawfodog: the kernels are the same, so the support will be similar.. you just need to figure out what is missing
[03:10] <holstein> rawfodog: i think most folks find xubuntu to be more in the middle
[03:16] <Unit193> Check the BIOS, and the settings in xfce4-power-manager-settings
[06:00] <Name141> Anyone got a link to the 32bit 12.04 beta?
[06:00] <Name141> (and 64 bit.. might as well)
[06:01] <Unit193> !daily
[06:01] <Unit193> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/12.04/beta-2/
[06:01] <Name141> Unit193: That'll give me an idea of how it'll turn out , besides bugs fixed later on ?
[06:02] <Unit193> I'd bet on changes before it's out.
[06:02] <Name141> I just pray to God Unity isn't one of them :p
[06:02] <Name141> or KDE
[06:03] <Unit193> The L in Lubuntu is LXDE, that won't be one of thm.
[08:26] <gordonjcp> heh
[08:27] <gordonjcp> well, a lightweight Unity-like DE might not be a bad thing...
[08:29] <Unit193> Not really sure if you can do that with Unity, but there was a mix up early precise where Lubuntu had Untiy.
[09:03] <gordonjcp> Unit193: I don't think Unity is *that* heavyweight tbh, at least not the 2d version
[09:04] <gordonjcp> what is nice is the level of integration between the apps
[10:05] <gordonjcp> wow, chromium really is a horrible browser
[10:06] <NQTropic> I gave it a go for a while, but still prefer firefox
[10:07] <gordonjcp> it's unusable
[10:08] <gordonjcp> there's no way to turn off that silly, patronising "This type of file can harm your computer" message when you click on PDFs
[10:08] <gordonjcp> fatally broken
[10:11] <NQTropic> I found it hard to browse porn sites, lol, like tube8 video streams work better in firefox, skipping sections of video causes pauses that don't recover in chromium
[10:32] <ogra_> gilir, FYI the audacious armhf/armel bug is Bug #791304
[10:37] <gilir> ogra_, thanks, I'll keep an eye on it
[12:23] <meet> how do i auto join channel at startup of xchat
[12:23] <smile4love> bye :)
[12:23] <smile4love> right click => add to startup
[12:23] <smile4love> :p
[12:23] <meet> no such option
[12:23] <smile4love> :(
[12:23] <smile4love> sorry, i don't know then
[12:24] <smile4love> :(
[12:30] <NQTropie> meet add it to favourites
[12:32] <NQTropie> meet: Menu xchat-> Network list-> Edit -> type in #channel into "favourite channels"
[12:33] <NQTropie> meet, seperate channels with a ,
[12:33] <NQTropie> meet, then buy me a beer
[12:44] <NQTropie> hmmm lol, I'm a tool he wasnt even here
[12:47] <meet> will gnome apps work on lubuntu?
 meet add it to favourites
 meet: Menu xchat-> Network list-> Edit -> type in #channel into "favourite channels"
 meet, seperate channels with a ,
 meet, then buy me a beer
 hmmm lol, I'm a tool he wasnt even here
[12:47] <NQTropie> * meet<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #lubuntu
[12:48] <NQTropie> meet yer, but when you install em they prolly install some gnome libs
[12:48] <NQTropie> doh!
[13:00] <meet> will cairo dock work well on lubuntu? got an old pc with less resources
[14:03] <meet> how to setup a network between to ubuntu computers?
[14:03] <bioterror> meet, what kind of network?
[14:04] <bioterror> you men windows shares kind of network?
[14:05] <meet> ya. i got a laptop connected wirelessly to the internet at home and another desktop wired
[14:08] <meet> @bioterror
[14:18] <bioterror> then you configure samba
[14:18] <bioterror> !samba
[14:39] <smile4love> brb
[14:40] <meet> bioterror i have to ubuntu pcs
[14:40] <meet> not between windows and ubuntu
[14:40] <meet> i want it between ubuntu and ubuntu
[14:40] <meet> sry. 2 ubuntu*
[14:40] <bioterror> you can use ssh, nfs, what ever you want
[14:41] <bioterror> but I prefer samba, even between ubuntu and arch linux and windows computers
[14:41] <bioterror> in home network
[14:41] <bioterror> from outside I use ssh
[14:42] <smile4love> :)
[14:42] <meet> can u give me a step by step tut?
[14:43] <bioterror> open your pcmanfm
[14:43] <bioterror> press ctrl+l
[14:43] <bioterror> and type
[14:43] <bioterror> ssh://ip.address.to.another.computer/
[14:43] <bioterror> and there you go
[14:43] <bioterror> gvfs <3
[14:43] <meet> that easy?
[14:44] <bioterror> ofcourse you should install first: on every computer
[14:44] <bioterror> openssh-server :D
[14:44] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[14:46] <meet> ok installed ssh-server
[14:47] <meet> now will that command work? what all files are visible?
[14:47] <holstein> meet: whatever the user has permissions for
[14:49] <meet> its giving an erro
[14:49] <meet> file location not mounted
[14:49] <meet> something like that
[14:50] <meet> holstein
[14:50] <meet> bioterror getting an error
[14:50] <holstein> meet: it?
[14:51] <meet> the ssh command
[14:51] <holstein> meet: open a terminal and make sure you can ssh into the remote machine..
[14:51] <meet> ssh:// ip address
[14:51] <holstein>  ssh ipaddress
[14:51] <holstein> or, ssh username@ipaddress
[14:51] <holstein> the space is important
[14:51] <meet> it says network is unreachable
[14:53] <holstein> meet: they will both need to be online
[14:54] <holstein> meet: you can try pining the ip
[14:54] <holstein> ping -c 6 ipaddress
[14:54] <holstein> ping -c 6 <IP_ADDRESS> for example
[14:55] <holstein> if you cant ping it, you wont be able to ssh into it
[14:55] <meet> they are online
[14:55] <holstein> meet: cool.. if they are configured properly, you will be able to ping, and then ssh
[14:56] <meet> they laptop pinged the desktop. but the ssh ip in filemanager is giving a blank screen
[14:56] <holstein> meet: open a terminal and ssh into it from there
[14:57] <holstein> if that works, consider trying the application gigolo
[14:59] <meet> when i ssh from the terminal on laptop it asks for passwd i entered the desktop passwd and logged in
[14:59] <meet> now the prompt shows meet@lubuntu
[14:59] <meet> so i am on desktop
[15:00] <meet> right? now how do i share the files?
[15:03] <meet> wow that was easy. :) but i am able to share only from the laptop
[15:03] <meet> all done well
[15:04] <meet> lubuntu is not helping much in ssh commands. just a copied a file from the laptop to the dekstop.
[15:16] <meet> i was able to play a game on ubuntu using wine .. but its not working on lubuntu..what could be the reason?
[15:24] <pmatulis> anyone else on beta2 having problems with the calendar applet?
[18:35] <smile4love> doei! :) (dutch for bye :p )
[20:25] <silverarrow> everything goes wrong today
[20:25] <silverarrow> I cannot boot lubuntu on a HP laptop
[20:26] <silverarrow> and a new wireless adaptor will not connectg
[20:26] <silverarrow> any idea why lubuntu will not boot up to normal desktop, but to a command line state
[20:26] <silverarrow> like a black screen
[20:27] <silverarrow> I get the normal lubuntu blue screen for a while then I get to choose which way to boot or to install
[20:28] <silverarrow> then blue screen again then the black command terminal state
[20:28] <silverarrow> anyone here?
[20:31] <silverarrow> hi John
[20:42] <silverarrow> hi NQTropic
[20:44] <NQTropic> hi silverarrow
[20:44] <silverarrow> not much activity here tonight
[20:44] <silverarrow> I am trying to boot lubuntu on a HP laptop
[20:45] <NQTropic> ok
[20:45] <silverarrow> and it will not behave
[20:46] <silverarrow> I boot up to a terminal like state
[20:46] <silverarrow> I get as far as the boot up stage, where you can choose "try lubuntu with out any change to the system" "install lubuntu" ....
[20:48] <SilverLion> good evening ... just re-migrating to lubuntu. has anyone experience with SIGIL (an Editor to create Epub Files) and Lubuntu
[20:48] <SilverLion> ??
[20:50] <silverarrow> hi
[20:50] <silverarrow> no unfortunately
[20:50] <silverarrow> and it's really slow here tonight
[20:51] <silverarrow> though I like lubuntu
[20:52] <SilverLion> silverarrow, hey brother ;)
[20:52] <silverarrow> hi silverlion lol
[21:08] <silverarrow> lost connection
[21:10]  * SilverLion has a weak wifi too
[21:10] <SilverLion> that is why i am going offline ;) and in front of my tv
[21:10] <SilverLion> cu later!
[22:27] <Poliv> hi all
[22:28] <Poliv> are all security patches arriving in same time in lubuntu as in ubuntu ?
[22:28] <Poliv> please
[22:30] <EvilResistance> !patience
[22:30] <EvilResistance> just a thought :P
[22:31] <EvilResistance> Poliv: Lubuntu and Ubuntu share the same repositories, as security updates are applied in "ubuntu" it includes all the semi-official derivatives (lubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu, and ubuntu)
[22:31] <EvilResistance> last i checked at least
[22:32] <Poliv> thanks !
[22:33] <Poliv> jsute one more question: as the new LTS 12.04 is almost out, afaik, will there a lubuntu release on 12.04 as alternate supporting full disk encryption ?
[22:33] <Poliv> i'm on the page
[22:34] <Poliv> but can't see the full disk encryption http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/12.04/beta-2/
[22:34] <EvilResistance> that'd be a question for the Lubuntu devs, or #ubuntu+1 i think
[22:34] <EvilResistance> also for all i know they may not have decided yet
[22:34] <EvilResistance> (they should have though)
[22:34] <Poliv> ok i may ask them !
[22:34] <Poliv> thanks for your answer EvilResistance  :)
[22:35] <EvilResistance> also dont take my word for everything, when I say "I think' or "For all I know" that means i'm uncertain, but its more than likely the devs know
[22:35] <EvilResistance> :P
[22:35] <Poliv> ok :)