[05:06] <paradyne> hi folks
[05:06] <paradyne> anyone awake?
[05:07] <paradyne> I can see that this isn't support, so I will prefix this with "I've been to the main channel, but there is not a soul there who has an idea of how to fix this issue"
[05:07] <paradyne> Using a Dell Inspiron 700m, I'm noticing (through googling as well) that Laptops are not responding will to 8.04
[05:08] <paradyne> there seems to be an issue around installing using SATA modules for an IDE chipset
[05:08] <paradyne> help?
[05:29] <paradyne> UnNaturalHigh: hello neighbour
[05:29] <UnNaturalHigh> hi
[05:29] <paradyne> Calgary, eh?
[05:29] <paradyne> me too
[05:29] <UnNaturalHigh> sweet, where abouts?
[05:30] <paradyne> Marda Loop
[05:30] <UnNaturalHigh> ahhh, right by mt royal
[05:30] <paradyne> you?
[05:30] <paradyne> you bet
[05:30] <UnNaturalHigh> I live in Royal Oak
[05:30] <paradyne> nice
[05:30] <paradyne> are you in the know re: ubuntu on a laptop?
[05:30] <UnNaturalHigh> yes I am
[05:31] <paradyne> I've been through the main chan, but ended up giving more support than I was getting
[05:31] <paradyne> mind if I ask you a brain scratcher?
[05:31] <UnNaturalHigh> yea, #ubuntu is near useless for everything but installation and basic configuration
[05:31] <UnNaturalHigh> sure
[05:31] <paradyne> installed 8.04 today, ran for a little while, then my Dell Inspiron 710M froze
[05:32] <paradyne> rebooted, ran a terminal with top to see if XORG was hanging, not the case
[05:32] <UnNaturalHigh> okay
[05:32] <UnNaturalHigh> dmesg?
[05:32] <paradyne> nothing useful there yet
[05:32] <UnNaturalHigh> anything strange in that?
[05:32] <UnNaturalHigh> saying something froze is not really much information
[05:32] <paradyne> rebooted to just the terminal, and ran dpkg --configure-a to finish the updates
[05:33] <UnNaturalHigh> tail -f /var/log/messages <-- also useful
[05:33] <paradyne> terminal starts spitting out "Exception Emask" errors
[05:33] <UnNaturalHigh> this is a fresh install?
[05:33] <paradyne> you bet
[05:33] <UnNaturalHigh> 8.04.1?
[05:33] <paradyne> actually, not sure
[05:34] <UnNaturalHigh> dbl check
[05:34] <paradyne> downloaded from the main ubuntu page on friday
[05:34] <paradyne> kernel is 2.6.24-19
[05:34] <UnNaturalHigh> hmmm....most likely is
[05:34] <paradyne> so, did some googling around exception emask errors
[05:34] <UnNaturalHigh> has your laptop frozen since the original occurrence?
[05:35] <paradyne> many times
[05:35] <paradyne> I'm booted off the live cd right now
[05:35] <UnNaturalHigh> does it freeze from the live cd?
[05:35] <paradyne> nope
[05:35] <paradyne> beauty of running from a ramdisk
[05:35] <paradyne> I would venture
[05:35] <UnNaturalHigh> not at all
[05:35] <UnNaturalHigh> essentially running from live cd and from the hard disk is that same
[05:35] <UnNaturalHigh> *the
[05:36] <UnNaturalHigh> have you done an integrity check of your ubuntu cd?
[05:36] <paradyne> yup
[05:36] <paradyne> everything is a-ok
[05:37] <paradyne> so, I did an lspci, and had confirmed that this laptop is an IDE chipset
[05:37] <paradyne> the exception emask errors are mentioning sata
[05:37] <paradyne> so I'm wondering if the 8.04.1 install is forcing sata modules even though ide is the right one...
[05:37] <paradyne> ?
[05:38] <UnNaturalHigh> no, ubuntu just uses sata naming conventions for both sata/ide
[05:38] <paradyne> ah
[05:39] <paradyne> ok, well that takes care of that curiousity
[05:39] <UnNaturalHigh> have you tried doing a complete reinstall to see if something strange maybe happened during install?
[05:39] <paradyne> I did
[05:39] <paradyne> same thing
[05:39] <UnNaturalHigh> wow
[05:39] <UnNaturalHigh> this is indeed strange
[05:39] <paradyne> error only occurs when the hard drive is under "load"
[05:39] <paradyne> eg: apt-get upgrade or running the update manager
[05:40] <paradyne> I can feel the laptop starting to grind to a halt as my mouse movements get slow, my keyboard input sometimes doesn't take, and I cannot switch between windows
[05:42] <UnNaturalHigh> god, I don't even really know what to say it sounds like you are having a lot of problems
[05:42] <UnNaturalHigh> have you considered trying another distro
[05:42] <UnNaturalHigh> such as Fedora
[05:42] <UnNaturalHigh> ?
[05:42] <paradyne> I've got my Woody disc here, but it's always such a chore to configure X myself...
[05:44] <paradyne> so here's what I'm thinking: download 7.10 and be happy until 8.10 comes out
[05:44] <paradyne> or
[05:44] <paradyne> re-install xp
[05:44] <UnNaturalHigh> you could try to chroot into your ubuntu system from the live cd
[05:44] <UnNaturalHigh> then update it
[05:44] <paradyne> you're going to have to talk me through that one...
[05:44] <UnNaturalHigh> this is what you do
[05:44] <UnNaturalHigh> mkdir /mnt/ubuntu
[05:44] <paradyne> k
[05:45] <UnNaturalHigh> I don't know your partition layout, you will have to tell me
[05:45] <paradyne> '/dev/sda2 is the root partition
[05:45] <paradyne> and it's mounted at /media/disk right now
[05:45] <UnNaturalHigh> ie. /dev/sda1 /boot, /dev/sda2 swap,  /dev/sda3 /, /dev/sda4 /home, etc.
[05:46] <UnNaturalHigh> I need to know all of the partitions
[05:46] <UnNaturalHigh> you will then need to ensure all of them are initially unmounted
[05:46] <paradyne> '/dev/sda1 is swap, /dev/sda2 is root, and that's it
[05:47] <paradyne> unmounted sda2
[05:48] <UnNaturalHigh> are you sure that is it?
[05:48] <UnNaturalHigh> fdisk -l
[05:48] <UnNaturalHigh> double check
[05:49] <paradyne> positive
[05:49] <paradyne> /dev/sda1               1<PHONE_NUMBER>   82  Linux swap / Solaris
[05:49] <paradyne> /dev/sda2             730        9729    72292500   83  Linux
[05:49] <UnNaturalHigh> for future reference and I would suggest you do it know, you should separate you /boot and /home paritions
[05:49] <UnNaturalHigh> and this is the reason for it
[05:50] <UnNaturalHigh> your should run your boot partition with ext2 and not have it mount unless needed (speed for the first and security for the second)
[05:50] <UnNaturalHigh> and your /home partition should be separate as it usually gets written to much more often plus holds all your personal configuration files
[05:50] <paradyne> hmm... never knew this
[05:53] <UnNaturalHigh> let me double check how big my / partition is
[05:53] <UnNaturalHigh> /boot (128mb), / (15GB), swap (50% of your ram in size), /home (whatever is left)
[05:53] <UnNaturalHigh> checking...
[05:53] <paradyne> fair enough
[05:53] <paradyne> if/when I reformat, I will re-partition
[05:54] <UnNaturalHigh> plus if you ever want to change distros or due a fresh install /home is separate and it shouldn't affect your preferences really afterwards
[05:54] <paradyne> just goes to show how much of a creature of habit I am
[05:54] <UnNaturalHigh> ?
[05:54] <UnNaturalHigh> why is that?
[05:54] <paradyne> been doing this since 2.2.14
[05:55] <paradyne> in anycase...
[05:55] <paradyne> you were mentioning chroot'ing
[05:55] <UnNaturalHigh> well really you should have /opt /usr and /var also separate
[05:55] <UnNaturalHigh> yes
[05:55] <UnNaturalHigh> okay
[05:55] <paradyne> or should I just do a fresh install?
[05:55] <UnNaturalHigh> it is entirely up to you
[05:55] <UnNaturalHigh> I don't really care
[05:55] <paradyne> (though it was still cratering then, too)
[05:55] <paradyne> k
[05:55] <paradyne> keep 'er going then
[05:56] <UnNaturalHigh> umount /dev/sda2
[05:56] <UnNaturalHigh> mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/ubuntu
[05:56] <UnNaturalHigh> mount -t proc none /mnt/ubuntu/proc
[05:57] <UnNaturalHigh> mount --bind /dev /mnt/gentoo/dev
[05:57] <UnNaturalHigh> oops
[05:57] <UnNaturalHigh> sorry
[05:57] <UnNaturalHigh> forget the last line
[05:57] <UnNaturalHigh> mount --bind /dev /mnt/ubuntu/dev
[05:57] <UnNaturalHigh> should be ubuntu :P
[05:57] <paradyne> mount: mount point /mnt/ubuntu/proc does not exist
[05:57] <UnNaturalHigh> did you mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/ubuntu
[05:57] <UnNaturalHigh> linux cannot work with out proc
[05:58] <paradyne> /dev/sda2              69G  180M   65G   1% /mnt/ubuntu
[05:58] <paradyne> yup, mounted to /mnt/ubuntu
[05:58] <UnNaturalHigh> ls -al /mnt/ubuntu
[05:58] <UnNaturalHigh> show me the output
[05:58] <paradyne> cdrom, etc, lost+found, media, var
[05:58] <paradyne> odd
[05:58] <paradyne> no proc
[05:59] <UnNaturalHigh> something is seriously wrong with your install
[05:59] <paradyne> wee
[05:59] <UnNaturalHigh> you are missing many important directories
[05:59] <paradyne> yeah... where's bin?
[05:59] <paradyne> bin's the life of the party
[05:59] <UnNaturalHigh> or /usr for that matter
[05:59] <UnNaturalHigh> or /live
[06:00] <UnNaturalHigh> /lib
[06:00] <paradyne> so... I think I'm going to attempt a re-install tomorrow
[06:00] <paradyne> this is way too much like work for a sunday night
[06:00] <UnNaturalHigh> you might wanna download a new cd, check it against the md5 sum
[06:00] <paradyne> that's a smart idea
[06:00] <UnNaturalHigh> burn it and then verify it with the burn utility
[06:00] <UnNaturalHigh> I have a feeling your cd is messed up
[06:00] <UnNaturalHigh> I have had that problem with other linux distros
[06:00] <paradyne> weird
[06:00] <UnNaturalHigh> or put ubuntu a usb key and install
[06:01] <UnNaturalHigh> super fast to install from a usb key
[06:01] <paradyne> net install?
[06:02] <UnNaturalHigh> no
[06:02] <paradyne> lean install, then/
[06:02] <paradyne> ?
[06:04] <paradyne> well... thanks for the help
[06:04] <paradyne> gotta turn it in for the night
[06:04] <UnNaturalHigh> actually just stick with a new live cd
[06:04] <UnNaturalHigh> later
[06:04] <paradyne> I'll likely be back tomorrow
[06:04] <UnNaturalHigh> cool
[06:04] <paradyne> nite, and thanks again
[06:04] <UnNaturalHigh> I will check in
[06:04] <UnNaturalHigh> np


[07:19] <nasser> Hi I'm an ubuntu user since the last October and this my second year in Computer Science and I would like to have a career in Robotics field I've heard about ubuntu Snappy and ubuntu core what is your advice to focus on ?
[12:22] <videogenic> am i in the right place?
[12:24] <dholbach> sorry - you'll all have to reload the page - we're in the #snappy channel
[12:25] <dholbach> reload http://ubuntuonair.com that is :)
[12:25] <dholbach> we'll start in 5m
[12:33] <willcooke> hi all, lay the snappy on me!
[12:40] <willcooke> dholbach, looks fine to me
[12:43] <dholbach> → snappy
[12:44] <willcooke> QUESTION:  Do you have a Python demo today as well?  I'm still learning Go but I can be productive in Python today.
[12:45] <dholbach> sorry, we're in #snappy
[12:45] <dholbach> sure
[12:48] <clobrano> QUESTION: are there podcasts about this ubuntu-on-air?
[13:22] <popey> dholbach: that was great
[13:22] <dholbach> thanks a bunch everyone :)
[13:22]  * popey had it on in the background, hoping to acquire snappy knowledge subconciously
[13:24] <dholbach> clobrano, what do you mean by podcast?
[13:24] <dholbach> clobrano, as in shows you can watch later on again?
[13:24] <dholbach> they should be all up on youtube.com/ubuntuonair
[13:25] <dholbach> there's a snappy sprint next week, but shortly after that we should do another clinic :)
[13:31] <vitimiti> I just joined Ubuntu On Air
[13:31] <vitimiti> Right on time, I see, phew
[13:34] <dholbach> vitimiti, not quite - it's not live any more - it was an hour ago - but you can ask questions in #snappy after you've seen it still - no problem
[13:35] <vitimiti> dholbach, oh, I see
[13:35] <vitimiti> hahahaha
[13:35] <vitimiti> dholbach, I was having launch, bad luck
[13:35] <dholbach> no worries :-))


[02:47] <cmaloney> Evening
[03:03] <greg-g> yo
[03:12] <rick_h_> party
[03:55] <greg-g> yuup
[14:06] <rick_h_> greg-g: ever done mount rainier?
[16:01] <greg-g> rick_h_: nope
[17:42] <cmaloney> Howdy
[18:34] <greg-g> What I just posted in our private staff channel, but is interesting for others:
[18:34] <greg-g> Via Dario and Sue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAXLHM-1Psk  Great talk from Maciej Ceglowski (aka pinboard.in person) on treating the data you collect like nuclear waste, because it is. (Basically keynoting a big data (sic) conference with the message "you're doing it wrong")


 Fwd from RikMills: Akademy talks are now under way  https://akademy.kde.org/2020/room-links
 Fwd from RikMills: Live streams available even if you did not register
[09:10] <santa_> good morning everybody
[09:10] <santa_> RikMills: thanks, already attenting though BBB
[09:10] <santa_> valorie: ↑
[09:33] <santa_> * attending
[09:59] <santa_> RikMills: why is the acc test disabled for kconfig now? was it failing?
[10:01] <RikMills> santa_: just experimenting to see if we could drop more tests
[10:02] <santa_> RikMills: the acc tests are ok and usefult, the problems are onyl the tetssuite ones
[10:02] <santa_> I don't think dropiing the acc is a good thing to do, they are meant to keep the -dev dependencies in shape
[10:03] <santa_> s/onyl/only/
[10:04] <santa_> s/usefult/useful/
[10:05] <santa_> s/dropiing/dropping/
[10:05] <RikMills> maybe we can run them some other way than spamming the infra with a bazillion rdeps tests
[10:08] <santa_> oh, yes, that's a different story :)
[10:09] <santa_> maybe we could do what you did + a gbp-test thing to build with the acc enabled?
[10:10] <santa_> so this way we would have them disabled in the archive but I could get them enabled when building on my server
[10:10] <RikMills> that sounds reasonable
[10:11] <santa_> ok, I take note
[10:11] <santa_> by the way, this weekend we should have frameworks tarballs, may I take care of this particular update?
[10:11] <santa_> I would like to test the latest in KA + I'm in the process of updating the docs
[10:12] <santa_> we have a few new things that are outdated in the manual
[10:12] <RikMills> fine by me
[10:13] <santa_> ack, if possible when doing the upload to the archive it would be nice if you could review the relevant part of the docs while doing it
[10:14] <RikMills> I was getting ready to do it, so aborting that now!
[10:14] <santa_> ok, thanks and sorry for the inconvenience
[10:15] <RikMills> np. not sure the tars are out. was just cloning in a container
[10:16] <santa_> I don't see any mail on release team yet
[10:17] <RikMills> no tars on ftp either
[12:05] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:24] <santa_> RikMills: KA docs updated in master, please feel free to review
[13:25] <santa_> I might need to update the part of ppa-build-status because I think it's required to copy the css file
[14:37] <RikMills> santa_: thanks
[14:37] <RikMills> mparillo: install kipi-plugins and see what happens
 kipi-plugins installed fine here. apt show says the kipi-plugins enhances spectacle and gwenview... but I cannot see a difference at a glance...
[16:51] <santa_> RikMills: wrt the fw 5.74 I'm going to do as soon as se have the tarballs I have 2 questions:
[16:52] <santa_> 1. do you want me to use kubuntu_groovy_staging or kubuntu_groovy_backports (just in case)?
[16:52] <santa_> 2. should I merge kubuntu_unstable given the KCI is off now?
[16:53] <RikMills> 1. groovy_staging for now please
[16:53] <santa_> sure, what about 2.?
[16:54] <RikMills> 2. merge from unstable would bring anything useful at the moment
[16:54] <RikMills> *would not bring
[16:54] <santa_> ok, so I will skip that step then
[17:57] <mparillo> RikMills: Thank you. Installing kipi-plugins worked. Konsole Output: https://invent.kde.org/-/snippets/1184  Result: https://i.imgur.com/OEvk84R.png
 What do the plugins do?
[18:00] <mparillo> Spectacle now has the ability to directly share your screenshot to Imgur. But it has another option to share with More Online Servcices. The other day I noticed these options when testing Spectacle because Spectacle was listed among the new 2020.08.1 KDE Apps.
[18:01] <mparillo> I alerted Rik that, if you select More Online Services, you get some kind of error around KIPI Plug-ins. He replied today that the fix is to install them.
[18:02] <mparillo> So installing it, gave me those 20 or so options you see in the screen shot.
 ah, quite slick!
[18:04] <mparillo> I suppose the follow-on question is whether we want to have the kipi plugins part of the default (full) install, and maybe not part of the minimal install.
[18:05] <valorie> oh gosh, Johan Thelin's talk about linux in cars -- is being delivered from a car
[18:05] <valorie> <3
[18:06] <mparillo> I hope he is not driving
 Unless I mis-read, it's only a 28.5MB package so I would vote to include it to avoid the error.
 If you go into the touchscreen system info menu in my car, IIRC it says what linux it runs and other versions of opensourse bit used :)
 my truck uses open source SW. :)
[18:21] <mparillo> Alas my wife's new car appears to have an iPad in its navigation console. When you have a co-pilot, it is wonderful, but I believe a touchscreen, especially with so many options, down well below eye-level is a danger. But even if I focus on the non-free software, that is off-topic for this channel.
[20:33] <santa_> the tarballs that never come
[20:34] <santa_> the tarball of the beholder
[20:34] <santa_> frayed ends of tarballs
[20:34] <santa_> vulgar display of tarballs
[20:35] <santa_> ride the tarballing
[20:35] <santa_> jump in the tarball
[20:36] <santa_> harvester of tarballs
[20:36] <santa_> dude, where is my tarball?
[20:37] <santa_> hardwired to self tarball
[20:38] <santa_> I'm going to wait "all tarball long" to see if I can leave the thing building in the night
[21:12] <mparillo> A watched microwave never beeps.
[21:12] <santa_> just a tarball away


[00:27] <marco-parillo> tsimonq2: I have seen that option on real HW. You can either have guided, where it offers to resize, or custom, where you pick a partition.
[07:19] <vip> hola
[07:42] <vip> allee: about akonadi/logging in bug, is there bug filled?
[07:54] <yofel> wait what, mark actually decided on a release name BEFORE a release @_@
[08:26] <valorie> and a damn weird name too
[08:33] <yofel> at least it's easy to type, we had worse
[08:39] <sick_rimmit> Hello my lovelies
[08:39] <sick_rimmit> Is it Wily dya ?
[08:42] <Tm_T> Kubuntu 15.10 survived without issues a very important business presentation, hadn't tested the external display support of this before so I was happy
[08:56] <Riddell> hmm, well editing the kubuntu.org website seems to be broken
[08:56] <Riddell> that's quite a pain for release day
[08:56] <Riddell> anyone able to confirm what happens if you go to https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/ ?
[08:57] <yofel> Riddell: https://kubuntu.org/wp-login.php ?
[08:59] <Riddell> yofel: ah hah, it moved
[08:59] <yofel> hm
[09:00] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: as we use OpenID login, could we map LP team memberships to website permissions? i.e. -members -> editors, -council -> admins
[09:29] <Riddell> https://kubuntu.org/?p=2436&preview=true  for those who can see it
[10:07] <mparillo> I get a 404 on https://kubuntu.org/?p=2436&preview=true
[10:08] <Riddell> mparillo: you'd need to log in, it's not public yet
[10:11] <mparillo> I did login with my open ID to:  https://kubuntu.org/wp-login.php then https://kubuntu.org/?p=2436&preview=true  and still a 404. It might be a permissions issue.
[10:15] <Riddell> hmm, could be
[10:31] <yofel> it is, by default everyone seems to be a plain user, which isn't very useful. Hence my question about applying the team memberships
[10:57] <cortex_> hello
[10:57] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:58] <cortex_> helo
[10:58] <cortex_> hello
[10:58] <cortex_> downloading kubuntu 15.10
[10:58] <cortex_> :)
[10:58] <cortex_> hi BluesKaj
[10:58] <BluesKaj> Hi cortex_
[10:59] <cortex_> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-15-10
[10:59] <cortex_> 404
[11:04] <BluesKaj> I imagine the news is suspended til the 15.10 release is official
[11:07] <Riddell> yes
[11:07] <Riddell> it's being pushed to mirrors now http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/15.10/release/
[11:07] <Riddell> but where's the front page banner?
[11:08] <Riddell> I've no idea how to change it
[11:09] <BluesKaj> Riddell, is that image any different than yesterday's Final test release?
[11:09] <Riddell> nope
[11:09] <BluesKaj> ok
[11:09] <Riddell> ahoneybun: you had a new banner?
[11:09] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: how do we change the banner?
[11:10] <BluesKaj> the panel takes about 45 secs to load after the desktop appears here
[11:18] <cortex_> damn
[11:18] <cortex_> it crashes
[11:18] <cortex_> on kde startup
[11:18] <cortex_> for me
[11:18] <cortex_> freeze
[11:18] <cortex_> from usb stick
[11:19] <cortex_> can't tty..
[11:19] <cortex_> and something
[11:19] <BluesKaj> live media or actual installation?
[11:19] <cortex_> live media
[11:20] <cortex_> weird
[11:33] <BluesKaj> cortex_, best to wait for the official release image
[11:33] <cortex_> Ok
[11:44] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I believe this is the one to use
[11:45] <ahoneybun> https://trello.com/c/AJbkAVWW/98-update-background-photos-on-social-sites
[11:46] <ahoneybun> Riddell: do we put it up now?
[11:47] <Riddell> not yet, I don't think it's out yet
[11:47] <Riddell> but soon my good man soon
[11:48] <Riddell> but I've no idea how
[11:48] <Riddell> on kubuntu.org at least
[11:49] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I'm pretty sure I'm looking at how to do it now
[11:49] <ahoneybun> I see the old one
[11:55] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: the banner is part of the theme
[11:55] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: uh oh
[11:55] <ovidiu-florin> you change it from the theme settings
[11:55] <Riddell> is there a ui to change it?
[11:55] <ovidiu-florin> yes
[11:55] <Riddell> phew, I was worried it needed a request to sysadmins
[11:56] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: do you want to cjamge it?
[11:56] <ovidiu-florin> or should I ?
[11:56] <ovidiu-florin> damn keyboard
[11:56] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: not yet
[11:57] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-15-04/ should use the banner Andrea made
[11:57] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: https://trello.com/c/AJbkAVWW/98-update-background-photos-on-social-sites
[11:57] <Riddell> good point
[11:57] <ovidiu-florin> and this: https://trello.com/c/RYC7YHZ3/87-change-site-banner-from-5-3-wallpaper-to-5-4
[11:57] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: also
[11:57] <ovidiu-florin> we have 2 banners
[11:57] <ovidiu-florin> main one and general one
[11:57] <ovidiu-florin> main is just on the main page
[11:57] <ovidiu-florin> general is everywhere
[11:57] <ahoneybun> I posted that one
[11:57] <ahoneybun> ...
[11:58] <ovidiu-florin> the werewolf one?
[11:58] <ahoneybun> https://trello.com/c/AJbkAVWW/98-update-background-photos-on-social-sites
[11:58] <ahoneybun> main one
[11:59] <ovidiu-florin> I know
[12:00] <ahoneybun> I can change in in the next 15 mins but then I need to leave for work
[12:00] <ovidiu-florin> OMG Ubuntu says Ubuntu is released: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/10/ubuntu-15-10-download-review-new-features
[12:00] <ahoneybun> yea
[12:00] <ovidiu-florin> what's the status of Kubuntu?
[12:02] <Riddell> omg always announces early, it's very irresponsible
[12:04] <yofel> well, the images are up, so if our download links are in order we could announce it
[12:05] <Riddell> nah, that would piss off the release team lots
[12:05] <ovidiu-florin> so it's not released officially yet?
[12:05] <ovidiu-florin> but the iso's are public?
[12:05] <Riddell> and I always try not to annoy people
[12:05] <yofel> indeed
[12:05] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: yes and yes
[12:06] <Riddell> I just don't always seem to succeed
[12:06] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: you're not the only one
[12:06] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: right, the isos get pushed out to mirrors a few hours before announce
[12:06] <ovidiu-florin> if the iso's are up, what is everybody waiting for?
[12:07] <ovidiu-florin> who gives the final Go?
[12:07] <yofel> hm, KTP just opened a dozen windows to tell me that my password for the resource that I don't use is wrong while I'm offline - I need to uninstall that thing again
[12:07] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: more mirrors to pick them up
[12:08] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: and I guess ubuntu has the same issues of checking their website is ready to update as everyone else
[12:08] <ovidiu-florin> I'd like to update the general banner in the meantime
[12:08] <ovidiu-florin> is taht ok?
[12:08] <ovidiu-florin> that*
[12:09] <Riddell> ok
[12:10] <Riddell> point it towards a page that says "nearly there"
[12:10] <ovidiu-florin> it's a general banner
[12:10] <ovidiu-florin> it's an background image
[12:11] <ovidiu-florin> that apears behind the titles on nonmain page, pages
[12:11] <ovidiu-florin> it's a crop from the Plasma 5.4 wallpaper
[12:12] <ovidiu-florin> Dome
[12:12] <ovidiu-florin> Done***
[12:12] <ovidiu-florin> that's it
[12:12] <ovidiu-florin> I'm switching keyboards
[12:14] <ovidiu-florin> aaaaa
[12:14] <ovidiu-florin> back in business
 ETA is roughly 5 minutes
[12:49] <soee> ovidiu-florin: will you also replace homepage banner image ?>
[12:49] <ovidiu-florin> yes
[12:49] <soee> ovidiu-florin: cool, please make it wider this time
[12:50] <ovidiu-florin> https://trello.com/c/AJbkAVWW/98-update-background-photos-on-social-sites
[12:50] <soee> ~ 1920px
[12:50] <ovidiu-florin> soee: ^
[12:52] <soee> nice, though it is 1600px wide
[12:54] <soee> 1920x1080 is the second screen size used these days http://www.rapidtables.com/web/dev/screen-resolution-statistics.htm / http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_display.asp
[12:54] <soee> so we should have banner this size
[13:04] <ovidiu-florin> the banner is not full width
[13:04] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: ETA?
[13:05] <Riddell> when infinity finishes his lunch I guess
 flocculant: It's all in the hands of our IS people setting up some cloud redirection magic.  I'm hoping "soon".
[13:47] <pursuivant> muon (master) v5.4.2-43-gf014566 * Aleix Pol: libmuon/backends/PackageKitBackend (2 files)
[13:47] <pursuivant> Remove Appstream packages that haven't been found
[13:47] <pursuivant> Shit happens, let's be verbose and non-crashy about it.
[13:47] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/f0145664913a28f99ec3f4a17b34ef9c43b41069
[13:54] <ovidiu-florin> almost one hour later: Riddell ETA?
 Riddell: still waiting for cloudfront redirect so that the release doesn't melt the DC - just escalated
[13:55] <Riddell> although canonical pr have started pushing out stuff so I guess we can too
[14:11] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: go go!
[14:11] <Riddell> how's this? https://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-15-10/
[14:11] <Riddell> mparillo: ↑
[14:12] <Riddell> good exposure for that new wallpaper
[14:15] <santa_> congrats for the release
[14:16] <lordievader> About the email to ubuntu-release: 22-16:15 < infinity> teward|web: I shouldn't have sent it, apparently, but was only told that 30 seconds after I pressed send. ;)
[14:17] <mamarley> Yay!      You guys rock.
[14:23] <BluesKaj> Riddell, I'm very sorry to hear that, are you still gonna hang around kubuntu-devel or kubuntu in general ?
[14:23] <Riddell> I won't be going far
[14:23] <Riddell> dunno if or when I'll leave these channels, it probably would help me focus if I did, but it's hard :)
[14:24] <BluesKaj> well, i hope you stick around for a while
[14:26] <yofel> Riddell: so, then it's probably time to ask what I have to do if I plan to take over your position as release manager? Do I need to apply for something?
[14:27] <Riddell> yofel: join ubuntu-release channel and mailing list and sign up on release tasks I guess :)
[14:29] <yofel> well, I'm in the channel for ages already, so ML I still need to do and actually pay attention to it
[14:34] <Riddell> mparillo: in here?
[14:35] <Riddell> how's this for kubuntu.org? I'd like to address that audience directly http://embra.edinburghlinux.co.uk/~jr/tmp/kubuntu.text
[14:36] <Riddell> valorie: ↑ for when you wake up
[14:38] <marco-parillo> Sorry Riddell: I ran my little perl script and generated this (http://paste.ubuntu.com/12894327/) and updated the wiki (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu) with it. Good news is that the list is shorter.
[14:39] <Riddell> thanks marco-parillo, updated https://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-15-10/
[14:40] <marco-parillo> Should I now wipe the wiki release notes.
[14:41] <Riddell> marco-parillo: yeah can do
[14:42] <cortex_> hello guys
[14:42] <cortex_> is it fixed ?
[14:42] <cortex_> i had a freeze
[14:42] <cortex_> on kde startup
[14:46] <marco-parillo> Do you have the wiki open for edit?
[14:46] <marco-parillo> Riddell: ^^
[14:48] <BluesKaj> and now on to 16.04 ! :-)
[14:49] <Riddell> marco-parillo: nope, but I guess I did
[14:49] <BluesKaj> We testers are never happy an release becomes official, it's not edgy enough :-)
[14:50] <BluesKaj> when a releas becomes oifficial, that is
[14:52] <marco-parillo> Per our usual standard, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu contains nothing more than a pointer to the news page.
[14:52] <lordievader> Riddell: Nicely worded step down message.
[15:17] <mgraesslin> Who did the video?
[15:17] <mgraesslin> that's pretty cool!
[15:20] <marco-parillo> mgraesslin: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/10/21/%23kubuntu-devel.html#t22:50 lucass_	ok here is the link https://youtu.be/oWzSxyZu0ac
[15:21] <mgraesslin> aweseme, we need to "hire" lucass_ for Plasma 5.5 ;-)
[15:21] <lordievader> It is really sweet indeed :D
[15:24] <BluesKaj> well, it still takes 45 secs for the panel to load after the desktop appears
[15:24] <BluesKaj>  /var/log/syslog shows nothing
[15:25] <mgraesslin> BluesKaj: that is after splash screen ended?
[15:27] <BluesKaj> mgraesslin, no, after the desktop loads
[15:27] <mgraesslin> BluesKaj: you shouldn't see the desktop loading, that should be hidden behind the splash screen
[15:28] <BluesKaj> mgraesslin, the splash screen loads normally, as does the desktop, it's just the panel that's slow
[15:29] <mgraesslin> BluesKaj: so it is after splash screen ended
[15:29] <mgraesslin> also the panel loading should happen before splash screen ends
[15:31] <BluesKaj> yes I'm aware of that, but 45 secs after the splash ends is bit too long compared to a week ago.
[15:31] <BluesKaj> ok, BBL ..stuff to do for a few mins
[15:36] <Riddell> mgraesslin: lucass turned up last night with it all completed, he's the chap on the VDG forum who's done similar videos before.  seems he's also the mystery g+ account KDEOK
[15:37] <mgraesslin> Riddell: the last part I got from the IRC log already ;-)
[16:02] <allee> Riddell: about akonadi-login-delay: Dan Vratil is at the moment at the end of a slow Internet connection (13h++ to download wily iso).   Can we offer him a virtual machine where he can start a plasma session to debug akonadi misbehaviour?
[16:03] <allee> And : Congrats to the Kubuntu-devel team for the great wily release!!
[16:07] <pursuivant> muon (redesign) v5.4.1-110-g9239e6e * Aleix Pol: discover/qml/FeaturedBanner.qml
[16:07] <pursuivant> Add drop shadow to the carroussel items
[16:07] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/9239e6e82c12f0964f7ddb1e37c1ccbc2212af32
[16:07] <pursuivant> muon (redesign) v5.4.1-111-g912c380 * Aleix Pol: discover/qml/Information.qml
[16:07] <pursuivant> Show only 3 items in the carroussel
[16:07] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/912c380f9655d02629a7736d3b129b6acfc55256
[16:07] <pursuivant> muon (redesign) v5.4.1-112-gac8915c * Aleix Pol: discover/qml/FeaturedBanner.qml
[16:07] <pursuivant> Desaturate non-current items in the carroussel
[16:07] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/ac8915c0d99d928bc69818d90ffd65681a58569f
[16:07] <pursuivant> muon (redesign) v5.4.1-113-g6401c72 * Aleix Pol: discover/qml (6 files)
[16:07] <pursuivant> Change grid item border size to 1
[16:07] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/6401c722010995385c69d6f979df06216c4cff4a
[16:07] <pursuivant> muon (redesign) v5.4.1-114-ga6e0ae8 * Aleix Pol: discover/qml/CategoryView.qml
[16:07] <pursuivant> Add a margin on top and bottom of the categoryview
[16:07] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/a6e0ae822abf6ffdbaa2c1db3f2cd296f3062d79
[16:07] <pursuivant> muon (redesign) v5.4.1-115-g225b85b * Aleix Pol: discover/qml/ApplicationsList.qml
[16:07] <pursuivant> Remove random sizes in the ApplicationList delegate
[16:07] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/225b85b7fa4bc7f0792949632cc85a6796523928
[16:07] <pursuivant> muon (redesign) v5.4.1-116-g9e4b133 * Aleix Pol: discover/qml (3 files)
[16:07] <pursuivant> Show a small title grid with "All" and the amount of items
[16:07] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/9e4b1334371203510c00cfc95ab9e551d23aff85
[16:30] <pursuivant> muon (redesign) v5.4.1-117-gf22cea7 * Aleix Pol: discover/qml (3 files)
[16:30] <pursuivant> Improve CategoryDisplay
[16:30] <pursuivant> Make it possible to change the sizes from outside
[16:30] <pursuivant> Leave the same spacing between all items
[16:30] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/f22cea74d24b58b815ee345052c68424ab0fc42a
[16:30] <pursuivant> muon (redesign) v5.4.1-118-g9c739ae * Aleix Pol: discover/qml/PageHeader.qml
[16:30] <pursuivant> Add a margin on top of the PageHeader
[16:30] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/9c739ae88555088541b19fc96e5f2e78f6681301
[16:54] <ronnoc> Riddell: You are certainly some tough shoes to fill. Kubuntu's loss is a major gain for KDE. Passion such as yours is a trait not found in most. Good luck my friend, and I'llk look forward to your posts on Planetkde.org.
[16:57] <apparle> The sha256 sums on the Get Kubuntu page are missing. Not sure who's the best person to inform...
[16:57] <clivejo> ahoneybun ovidiu-florin : ^^^
[17:44] <ovidiu-florin> Updated the main banner
[17:44] <ovidiu-florin> on the main page
[17:44] <ovidiu-florin> soee: waiting for Andrea to make a bigger one
[17:44] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: you around?
[17:45] <ovidiu-florin> I don't know how to make the sha256 sums
[17:45] <ovidiu-florin> do you?
[17:45] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: ?
[17:46] <TJ-> 15.10 upgrades failing in some circumstances due to bug #1493003
[17:48] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: which sums?
[17:48] <ovidiu-florin> of the isos
[17:48] <yofel> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/wily/release/SHA256SUMS
[17:48] <ovidiu-florin> they are missing from the download page
[17:48] <ovidiu-florin> can I copy paste from there?
[17:48] <ovidiu-florin> and put them on the download page?
[17:48] <santa_> Riddell: I understand why you are steping down and I regard it as bad thing. that being said, I will be very happy to send patches to kubuntu automation to implement the design we discussed the other day so you could start re-using the thing in neon
[17:48] <yofel> I think that's what we did so far
[17:48] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[17:49] <cortex_> can u fix the problem
[17:49] <cortex_> of kde startup?
[17:50] <cortex_> weird
[17:50] <cortex_> idk why
[17:50] <cortex_> it freeze
[17:50] <cortex_> all the machine
[17:50] <cortex_> from usb stick
[17:50] <cortex_> live media
[17:51] <santa_> Riddell: also note that I have experience providing a set of custom kde packages in siduction, so if you need support with any technical aspect of "providing a ppa without launchpad" I could help you a bit
[17:51] <denza242> Hi, I have a packaging bug to report
[17:52] <denza242> so basically, the package kde-config-systemd installs the kcm shared object to /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/plugins/, but it should be installing to /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/kcm_systemd.so
[17:52] <denza242> when it's in the former, systemsettings doesn't find it
[17:54] <yofel> santa_: out of curiosity, what are you using for that? reprepro?
[17:54] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: sha fixed
[17:54] <santa_> yofel: reprepro + wannabuild + buildd
[17:55] <santa_> reprepro just provides the repository but doesn't build packages
[17:55] <yofel> urgh wannabuild
[17:55] <santa_> buildd does using the wannabuild database
[17:55] <santa_> yeah
[17:55] <yofel> switch to debile? ^^
[17:55] <santa_> probably a better alternative but I didn't have time to dig into a possible migration
[17:55] <yofel> but ok, yeah, something like that works
[17:56] <santa_> yes, one thing I could offer is help with wannabuild+buildd until you find something else better
[17:56] <yofel> denza242: that's on vivid? Because I have:
[17:56] <yofel> $ dpkg -L kde-config-systemd
[17:56] <yofel> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/kcm_systemd.so
[17:57] <denza242> yofel: vivid indeed
[17:57] <santa_> yofel: also I have a fork of your build status page thing, modified to work against wannabuild
[17:57] <yofel> hm, that might be useful, right
[17:57] <santa_> and last but not least my automation thing
[17:58] <santa_> I would really love to merge it with kubuntu's one and make it more robust and generic
[17:58] <santa_> so we would have one automation thing to rule them all
[17:58] <yofel> denza242: ok, it's fixed in wily. Do you need it in vivid?
[17:58] <denza242> yofel: not particularly
[17:59] <denza242> I mean, I just mv'd it to the proper directory as root
[17:59] <denza242> er, cp'd
[17:59] <yofel> ok, thanks for caring in any case
[18:47] <ahoneybun> the heck is with that "Feedback" section ovidiu-florin?
[19:02] <ronnoc> trying to upgrade and kdinit errors abound
[19:06] <ronnoc> along with kio-slave errors. Not looking optimistic atm.
[19:07] <ronnoc> and my distribution-upgrade window is hosed. how to best proceed?
[20:43] <soee> can someone transalte to PL this: Xenial Xerus ?
[20:45] <marco-parillo> You have stumped me and https://www.google.com/search?q=google+translate&ie=UTF-8&sa=Search&channel=fe&client=browser-ubuntu&hl=en&gws_rd=ssl
[20:50] <soee> EN -> PL gives: Xenial Xerus
[20:50] <soee> :D
[20:53] <vip> soee: https://www.google.pl/search?q=xerus&oq=xerus&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.1332j0j9&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8 ;)
[20:54] <vip> "wielki wiewiór"? :-)
[20:55] <vip> wspaniały?
[20:57] <vip> m-w and wiki says it is "gościnny"
[20:59] <valorie> Riddell: I think your piece is lovely
[20:59] <valorie> if sad
[20:59] <valorie> {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
[21:00] <valorie> !isitoutyet
[21:00] <valorie> :-)
[21:10] <clivejo> Riddell's piece?
[21:12] <keithzg> clivejo: I believe she's referring to http://embra.edinburghlinux.co.uk/~jr/tmp/kubuntu.text
[21:16] <clivejo> i see
[21:43] <Riddell> valorie: I added an extra paragraph for a version to go to ubuntu-devel@ http://embra.edinburghlinux.co.uk/~jr/tmp/kubuntu.text
[21:57] <amichair> do u guys want to know about wily upgrade installer bugs here, or just via regular launchpad issues?
[23:30] <Mamarok> gah, incredible the number of people who think they are smarter than thou, not readin what is written on teh screen, apparenlty release day is no a day I want to continue linger in #kubuntu
[23:30] <Mamarok> gn8 everyone, congrats on the release
[23:47] <valorie> Riddell: please leave out the "I don't have high hopes"
[23:48] <valorie> although I agree with you that I don't have high hopes either
[23:48]  * valorie will be gone in a few mins until Saturday night for SeaGL
[23:48] <valorie> picking Scarlett up at the train station tonight
[23:52] <pursuivant> muon (Plasma/5.4) v5.4.2-5-gdbf64fc * Aleix Pol: libmuon/backends/ApplicationBackend/ApplicationNotifier.cpp
[23:52] <pursuivant> parseUpdateInfo() does not correctly account for securtity updates
[23:52] <pursuivant> CCBUG: 347284
[23:52] <pursuivant> REVIEW: 125749
[23:52] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/dbf64fc4e07a6ed5eccf16cf116eb8590e5007ea


[06:15] <benonsoftware> Well done sagaci
[06:15] <sagaci> I've just booked my flights
[06:15] <sagaci> can't wait for UDS
[06:16] <benonsoftware> :P
[06:16] <sagaci> LCA was one event but UDS is that whole new level
[06:16] <sagaci> being ubuntu-cific
[06:16] <benonsoftware> Yep
[06:16]  * benonsoftware hopes he gets the next round
[06:16] <sagaci> in Europe somewhere
[06:18] <benonsoftware> Oh
[06:18] <benonsoftware> Ok thanks for telling me :p
[06:19] <sagaci> I think it just alternates between a US and a EU location every 6 months
[06:19] <benonsoftware> Yep


[02:03] <jmarsden> phillw: Rough translation of lab's question: "How do I configure things so that the icons become smaller?" .  BTW the right response is usually to point Spanish speakers to #ubuntu-es
[02:04]  * jmarsden admits to speaking a little Spanish :)
[03:29] <deejay> hello, I want to install a remote desktop application onto a lubuntu system so I can remote into this laptop and fix it remotely.  Would i be looking for something like Vino or something like xrdp?
[05:34] <bioterror> !vnc
[05:35] <bioterror> hoho
[05:35] <bioterror> JoeMaverickSett, jmarsden ^^
[05:35] <JoeMaverickSett> :D
[05:35] <bioterror> !freenx
[10:27] <S`Surfer> hey johannes
[10:30] <_johannes> hi?
[10:34] <NRWlion> just wanted to say "hi" nothing else :D
[10:36] <_johannes> okay ;) Hi!
[11:34] <mark76> Morning
[14:15] <Yud_Zroc> Ok to reset the lubuntu gui...is ikt the same with ubuntu? By removing the .gnome .gnome2 metacity gconfd?
[15:49] <bioterror> !shell | NRWlion
[19:04] <nymeria> How do I change keyboard layout?
[19:04] <NRWlion> one moment
[19:05] <NRWlion> should be in the preferences - keyboard settings
[19:06] <nymeria> NRWlion, I just have Keyboard and mouse settings; What is the prefrence window called so that I may install that package?
[19:07] <NRWlion> nymeria: just a second ^^ i am new into the materia ...
[19:08] <nymeria> To be honest I'm running Debian with LXDE installed, but I haven't gotten an answer in the other channels I've tried so here I am :P
[19:10] <bioterror> xkbset something
[19:12] <bioterror> sorry
[19:12] <NRWlion> thx bio
[19:12] <bioterror> setxkbmap  de
[19:12] <bioterror> or fi or no
[19:12] <bioterror> thats a temporary fix
[19:13] <bioterror> do you want it to be a permanent?
[19:13] <nymeria> bioterror, Yes I would like it permanent
[19:14] <bioterror> okay
[19:14] <bioterror> just a moment
[19:14] <nymeria> Thank you
[19:16] <bioterror> okay
[19:16] <bioterror> ill dig it from my arch as it doesnt use xorg.conf
[19:18] <bioterror> using phone, so i will flood soon
[19:18] <bioterror>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf
[19:19] <bioterror> Section "InputClass"
[19:19] <bioterror>         Identifier "evdev keyboard catchall"
[19:19] <bioterror>         MatchIsKeyboard "on"
[19:19] <nymeria> And if I want to use the dvorak variation of the se layout; how would I enter that/
[19:19] <bioterror>         MatchDevicePath "/dev/input/event*"
[19:19] <bioterror>         Option "XkbLayout" "fi"
[19:19] <bioterror>         Driver "evdev"
[19:19] <bioterror> EndSection
[19:20] <bioterror> you should add that kind of line as XkbLayout
[19:20] <bioterror> replace fi with dvorak
[19:21] <bioterror> thats how it is done in arch, i dont have a lubuntu machine near me
[19:21] <nymeria> ButI want se dvorak; Dvorak with Swedish characters. It's a variation of the se layout
[19:21] <nymeria> bioterror, I found it in xorg.conf here on Debian
[19:21] <bioterror> you have xorg.conf?
[19:22] <nymeria> bioterror, I do indeed. And as of that I suppose Squeeze still uses xorg.conf instead of xorg.conf.d
[19:22] <bioterror> how primitiv :D
[19:22] <bioterror> e
[19:23] <bioterror> i have no idea of sv dvorak
[19:23] <bioterror> might need some googling
[19:23] <bioterror> im a qwerty user
[19:25] <nymeria> Give Dvorak 2 weeks of frustration and you will never look back. Though avoid the Windows layout switcher, it's absolute bullcrap. Use something like an autohotkey script instead :P
[19:25] <bioterror> i wont, i need to use qwerty at my work
[19:25] <bioterror> as i neeed other peoples keyboards
[19:26] <bioterror> it would make me confused
[19:26] <nymeria> bioterror, What do you work with? On site tech support?
[19:26] <bioterror> exactly
[19:27] <bioterror> I used to service sun  microsystems computers, but then came oracle
[19:27] <nymeria> Along came Oracle...
[19:28] <bioterror> totally
[19:28] <nymeria> Along came Polly was a really bad movie...
[19:29] <nymeria> So now when your Oracle overlord is in place, what do you do?
[19:30] <bioterror> I wonder active directory
[19:32] <nymeria> I'm starting to get worried about this sound of what seems to be a harddrive shutting down at random.
[19:35] <nymeria> Oh but it's not at random. It's shutting down because I'm not using it. No need to worry.
[19:35] <bioterror> those spindowns can be disabled
[19:37] <nymeria> If there is one thing that I want to spin down it's the CPU fan on a computer that I recently built. It makes an enormous amount of sound even though the system is idle and the CPU is 27 Celsius. Ridiculous.
[19:37] <bioterror> make it passive :D
[19:38] <nymeria> Well that won't go well now will it :P
[19:38] <bioterror> my atom330 is passive and its on 24/7
[19:39] <nymeria> I need a huge ginormous fan that does 300rpm and pushes the same amount of air as this small one at 8000
[19:39] <nymeria> Well this is a Phenom II X6 1055T
[19:39] <bioterror> :D
[19:39] <nymeria> Six cores makes everything fly by
[19:40] <bioterror> i can hardly utilize 2 cores
[19:40] <nymeria> And it should be overclockable from 2.8 to 3.2GHz without the system becoming too unstable :P
[19:41] <nymeria> It has the same processing power as a Core i7 920 but costs 100euro less
[19:41] <bioterror> is it black edition or whats the name
[19:42] <nymeria> Nope, don't think so
[19:42] <nymeria> But they are redicilously cheap if you want that power. 140euro including shipping.
[19:45] <nymeria> A core i7 920 goes for 255euros. But they are out of the factory at this time so the comparison in prize doesn't really work any more. But it was the situation four months ago
[19:45] <bioterror> they have sandy bridge nao
[19:45] <bioterror> we can move this conv to #lubuntu-offtopic
[19:45] <bioterror> this is for support ;)
[20:06] <davyde> sera gente
[20:09] <davyde> hi i have a problem in my lubuntu 10.10 i trying to install ndiswrapper.. it's all ok but when ai give sudo modprobe ndiswrapper it tells me FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found
[20:10] <davyde> anyone here?
[20:11] <NRWlion> hi, i am here but afraid not beeing able to help u out
[20:11] <NRWlion> :(
[20:13] <davyde> ok thanks :P
[20:30] <kosaidpo|> hello guys
[20:31] <kosaidpo|> still cannot install skype
[20:32] <Unit193> kosaidpo|: what have you done?
[20:33] <kosaidpo|> sudo apt-get install skype via the repo
[20:34] <Unit193> Did you enable the "partner" repo?
[20:34] <kosaidpo|> yesh
[20:36] <Unit193> I have it installed, so I have no idea..
[20:36] <Unit193> apt-cache policy skype
[20:39] <kosaidpo|> its gettin installed
[20:39] <Unit193> What fixed it?
[20:40] <kosaidpo|> i have to active this repo under the other programe onglet
[20:40] <kosaidpo|> where theres the cd things repo i ddint kno abt it
[21:05] <silverlightning> hi
[21:06] <Unit193> Hello silverlightning
[21:06] <silverlightning> I am trying different lightweight distros to go with an old laptop
[21:10] <Unit193> What are you looking at now?
[21:22] <finwin> hi
[21:23] <Unit193> Heya finwin
[21:24] <finwin> can i edit apt mirrorlist? how?
[21:25] <finwin> some mirrors are down...i cant update my system
[21:25] <finwin> anyone?
[21:26] <silverlightning> I am burning lubuntu
[21:27] <silverlightning> does lubuntu have a built in partiontion table and formatting program?
[21:28] <Unit193> silverlightning: Yeah
[21:28] <silverlightning> oh good
[21:44] <kosaidpo|> Unit193 wht does silverlightning means ?? can you pls ecplain to me
[21:45] <Unit193> kosaidpo|: It's the persons nick
[21:45] <kosaidpo|> hihi Unit193i kno i mean wht he says wht does it mean :P
[21:46] <Unit193> He's asking if he can use the LiveCD to setup dual boot (I'm guessing)
[21:47] <silverlightning> hmm
[21:48] <silverlightning> I'm running the installation process now
[21:48] <Unit193> Any issues?
[21:48] <silverlightning> how does lubuntu compare to DSL and Puppy?
[21:49] <kosaidpo|> hihihi pretty funni i tho hes askin abt some pogram like gparted but the name he says was confudin to me so i tho i wud ask since its free and amusing in this room :D
[21:49] <kosaidpo|> and thanks
[21:49] <NRWlion> first i had a dual boot too ^^ but one day after i put the Live CD back in and completely erased the Winshit Partition :D
[21:49] <silverlightning> no, so far pretty smooth on a very old laptop
[21:49] <NRWlion> and i do NOT regret it
[21:49] <silverlightning> no dual boot,
[21:49] <finwin> i tried to install peppermint os to my hd...installation failed
[21:50] <silverlightning> I though I had to erase and manage the harddisk manually, but it did it automatically
[21:50] <Unit193> silverlightning: lubuntu aims to be a full desktop and small puppy and DSL mainly aim to be small
[21:50] <silverlightning> hmm, I think puppy is ambitious
[21:50] <finwin> silverlight...ubuntu based distros do "everything" automatically
[21:51] <finwin> like windows
[21:51] <silverlightning> ubuntu is too large to even go on the harddisk on this one lol
[21:51] <silverlightning> it's an experiment
[21:51] <silverlightning> though I really like Puppy
[21:52] <finwin> i tried puppy but i did not have driver for my wireless
[21:52] <Unit193> MoonOS and Bodhi might be good to look at (still in beta)
[21:52] <finwin> it did*
[21:52] <finwin> sry
[21:54] <kosaidpo|> guys how  can i install only sql lite pdo extention
[21:54] <silverlightning> which version of puppy did you try?
[21:55] <silverlightning> my both my laptops connected automatically with puppy 520, but not the very old one
[21:56] <Unit193> Does LucidPuppy work with apt-get and ubuntu/getdeb/launchpad repos?
[21:57] <silverlightning> yes
[21:57] <silverlightning> I think so
[21:57] <silverlightning> but ask the experts in the #puppylinux forum
[21:57] <silverlightning> i think lubuntu might be more ready for used right after install
[22:02] <silverlightning> I talked to a guy who has made Puppy his main OS, and he uses linux and ubuntu drivers, and it works
[22:02] <silverlightning> not a lot of software is adapted espcially for puppy
[22:02] <silverlightning> that is the major advantage with lubuntu I think
[22:05] <silverlightning> If I run the partition table in lubuntu, is it possible to format the entire harddisk with ext3 filing system, and still have lubuntu?
[22:06] <Unit193> Change it after you install?
[22:06] <silverlightning> no, I suppose I would have to eraze everything then?
[22:07] <silverlightning> but I could install puppy as frugal then, only using 350MB for Puppy
[22:12] <hosoka> hello
[22:12] <hosoka> where is by default the wallpaper of the desktop stored ?
[22:50] <GMH[win]> in lubuntu, how would i turn off tap-to-click for my touchpad?
[22:52] <MrChrisDruif> GMH[win]: Mouse settings?
[22:54] <GMH[win]> but mouse settings only has accel, sensitivity, and left-handed options
[22:56] <GMH[win]> sorry, i'm totally new to lubuntu
[22:56] <MrChrisDruif> I'm gonna burn a Lubuntu boot-up disk...than I can make a dual-boot for Lubuntu and Ubuntu :P
[22:56] <GMH[win]> was looking for a lighter graphical environment for an old computer with limited ram; the folks at #ubuntu told me about this and pointed me here
[22:57] <GMH[win]> is there a shortcut to show the desktop?
[22:58] <MrChrisDruif> GMH[win]: I don't know :|
[22:58] <MrChrisDruif> Sorry....mind = gone <_<"
[22:59] <GMH[win]> it's okay
[23:01] <MrChrisDruif> And I'm also not on Lubuntu


 Does it work well with Ubuntu?
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> yes
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> very well
[08:11]  * ObrienDave waves from Englewood, Colorado, USA
[21:06] <EriC^^> anybody good with lvm?
[21:07] <daftykins> newp ;x
[21:07]  * daftykins always avoids it
[21:07] <lordievader> EriC^^: What's up?
[21:07]  * lordievader loves lvm
[21:07] <EriC^^> great :D
[21:07] <daftykins> heh, imo if you don't get your partitions right the first time you didn't plan well 8D
[21:07] <lordievader> Whcih reminds me, I need to checkout lvmetad on Ubuntu.
[21:08] <lordievader> daftykins: I don't have to plan for the future.
[21:08] <EriC^^> if you're using a live cd to mount an ubuntu using lvm
[21:08] <EriC^^> you just install lvm2, then vgchange -ay ?
[21:08] <lordievader> EriC^^: Yes, or lvchange -ay if you just need one lv.
[21:08] <daftykins> :)
[21:08] <EriC^^> ok, and then you run lvscan to get the list of partitions?
[21:09] <lordievader> For that you don't need to activate them.
[21:10] <EriC^^> i want to mount them
[21:10] <lordievader> Then you do need to activate them ;)
[21:10] <EriC^^> oh ok
[21:11] <EriC^^> cool, thanks man
[21:16] <lordievader> Hmm, lvmetad doesn't seem to be available on Ubuntu.
[21:24] <tgm4883> daftykins: why not have OS on raid 10?
[21:25] <daftykins> once you have the OS on there you'll find maintenance and drama far worse
[21:26] <daftykins> far easier to keep an OS beside and simply have the main body of storage as a mount point imo
[21:26] <daftykins> you'll see folk come in time and time again that've upgraded and killed their RAID setups
[21:27] <tgm4883> daftykins: doesn't the RAID just look like a single drive though? or are you talking about a setup without a raid card?
[21:28] <tgm4883> eg. fakeraid
[21:28] <daftykins> well this user isn't telling us what the RAID setup is, but yeah mdadm setups and what not
[21:28] <tgm4883> or softraid
[21:28] <tgm4883> ah ok
[21:28]  * daftykins pats his hardware RAID
[21:29] <tgm4883> yea I don't generally deal with that sort of thing. When I dealt with hardware, it was physical raid cards
[21:29] <daftykins> just the other night a disk decided to go AWOL :) unplugged the SATA power, popped it back in - it was rebuilt within a few hours like nothing ever happened
[21:29] <tgm4883> and not that onboard raid crap :)
[21:29] <daftykins> well most Linux folk don't use any of it
[21:29] <daftykins> they just let Linux handle it in software
[21:29] <daftykins> i use intel's rapid storage tech for windows customers though
[21:30] <daftykins> keep their personal data on a RAID 1
[21:30] <tgm4883> daftykins: surely you mean linux consumers
[21:30] <tgm4883> or people using something like ZFS
[21:31] <daftykins> no because i don't put in Linux for anyone
[21:31] <daftykins> and it's a firmware RAID so i don't think it plays too well with Linux :D
[22:00] <EriC^^> how do you solve these lts-vivid stuff?
[22:01] <EriC^^> nouveau wants xserver-xorg-core and installing that removes the lts-vivid ones --> blank screen on reboot
[22:01] <EriC^^> O.o
[22:01] <EriC^^> should he use the old kernel that isn't lts-vivid to fix this?
[22:05] <daftykins> that'd need to be paired up with the older xorg components
[22:05] <daftykins> bbs
[22:56] <EriC^^> we installed the old xorg stuff, still not working *shrug*
[23:02] <daftykins> :(
[23:02] <daftykins> did you track down removing the entire HWE?
[23:02] <daftykins> +stack
[23:02] <daftykins> what was even the original issue? nvidia drivers not working?
[23:03] <EriC^^> yeah
[23:04] <EriC^^> yeah i think it removed it all http://termbin.com/frra
[23:05] <EriC^^> apt-get install xserver-xorg-core made all that happen ^
[23:07] <daftykins> hmm, and what resulted after that? working nouveau boot?
[23:07] <EriC^^> nope, blank screen
[23:08] <daftykins> hrmm, you had an lspci listing at any point?
[23:08] <EriC^^> nope
[23:08] <daftykins> could be handy
[23:09] <EriC^^> yeah


[00:20] <devinheitmueller> Anybody have any recommended best practices for Ubuntu partitioning for maximum reliability?  This is for an “appliance” where very little ever changes on disk, and I want to minimize the risk of the system not booting due to FS corruption when power cycled.
[00:20] <devinheitmueller> Back in the days where I rolled my own Linux distros, I would use RO partitions for everything except var, but that doesn’t work very well in off-the-shelf Linux distros.
[00:20] <cmaloney> Hey devinheitmueller
[00:21] <devinheitmueller> Hey craig!
[00:21] <cmaloney> Not sure what the best practices are for RO partitions
[00:21] <cmaloney> iirc root is pretty safe as long as /tmp is not marked RO
[00:21] <cmaloney> or using tmpfs
[00:21] <devinheitmueller> I would assume /var could also be problematic because of logs, etc.
[00:22] <cmaloney> Absolutely
[00:22] <devinheitmueller> That said, I would love to just have /tmp, /var, /, and then mark root read-only, but I worry that Ubuntu won’t really be equipped to run in such an environment.
[00:23] <cmaloney>  Well, /home should also be a separate partition
[00:23] <devinheitmueller> Yeah, but in reality /home will likely never change.
[00:23] <devinheitmueller> I’m more worried about Ubuntu’s system processes mucking around with the disk and expecting everything to be mounted RW.
[00:23] <cmaloney> There's still .cache and such
[00:24] <devinheitmueller> This thing really screams for something based on LFS or OpenWRT, but I don’t really have any say in that at this point.  They wanted to leverage an off-the-shelf Ubuntu system as the base OS for their appliance.
[00:25] <cmaloney> I thought there was a specification for what partitions could be mounted read only at some point
[00:25] <cmaloney> but it's escaping my noggin'
[00:25] <devinheitmueller> Perhaps there is.  I really don’t claim to have much expertise in Ubuntu.
[00:26] <devinheitmueller> I’m happy to say that it generally “just works”, so I spend much less time nowadays digging under the hood.
[00:26] <cmaloney> Well, it was some satandard that iirc Ubuntu didn't follow for a while.
[00:26] <cmaloney> and it wasn't until recently (2010 or so) that it was
[00:26] <devinheitmueller> Well, there’s LSB, but yeah many distros don’t follow it very tightly.
[00:26] <cmaloney> of course Google is showing me folks that have hardware or NFS issues. :)
[00:29] <devinheitmueller> Yeah, I started with something like “Ubuntu partitioning avoid corruption” and it didn’t return quite what I was interested in.  :-)
[00:29] <cmaloney> Yeah, I'm not sure at this point.
[00:30] <devinheitmueller> Fair enough.  This is where I consider my resident source of Ubuntu expertise, so figured no harm in asking.
[00:30] <cmaloney> smoser might know more if he's around
[00:30] <cmaloney> or you might want to check with ubuntu-arm as that is embedded Ubuntu
[00:31] <devinheitmueller> Not a bad idea.
[00:31] <cmaloney> Might at least get you in the general direction
[00:31] <devinheitmueller> I’ll take a closer look and see what they recommend for Ubuntu Server.  It’s likely that is tailored more for reliability than convenience.
[00:32] <cmaloney> yeah, not sure Ubuntu server is going to get you any better answers.
[00:32] <cmaloney> But worth a shot
[00:32] <devinheitmueller> yup.
[00:32] <devinheitmueller> I’m not suggesting we run Ubuntu server, just that that particular crowd might have a mindset more in line with my goals.
[00:33] <cmaloney> Oh definitely
[00:33] <devinheitmueller> (i.e. minimize risk of system not booting, configure to automatically fix issues at boot, FS layout which minimizes boot time, etc)
[00:34] <devinheitmueller> On the flip side, my Tivo runs Embedded Linux and takes 15-20 minutes to boot, so perhaps I should just adjust my expectations.  :-)
[00:34] <cmaloney> heh
[00:34] <cmaloney> Well, that's partly why ext4fs was devised. :)
[00:34] <devinheitmueller> Of course, file systems continue to improve.
[00:35] <devinheitmueller> Ted Tso gave a really good talk last year at NYLUG on the state of Linux filesystems.
[00:53] <jrwren> devinheitmueller: do you have enough disk space to do it all on an ubuntu cloudimg?
[00:53] <devinheitmueller> In this case it’s a standalone piece of equipment, not internet connected.
[00:53] <jrwren> that is ok.
[00:53] <jrwren> you can ship the cloudimg on your standalone piece.
[00:54] <devinheitmueller> Hmmm....
[00:54] <devinheitmueller> Maybe.  Admittedly I don’t really know much about Ubuntu cloudimgs.  Will have to add that to the list of things to look up.
[00:54] <jrwren> so you can have root and everything be RO, then untar cloudimg on each boot
[00:54] <jrwren> its a 200MB system image, nice and tiny.
[00:54] <jrwren> what is the application?
[00:55] <devinheitmueller> It’s a piece of fitness equipment.
[00:56] <devinheitmueller> Hence the app lets you see stats, watch tv, control the treadmill, etc.
[00:57] <devinheitmueller> cmaloney: look, it’s that “smoser” guy you were talking about:  http://ubuntu-smoser.blogspot.com/2013/02/using-ubuntu-cloud-images-without-cloud.html
[00:57] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/nHtgrm - smoser's thoughts: Using Ubuntu cloud-images without a cloud
[00:57] <jrwren> sounds like a fun challenge.
[00:57] <jrwren> i'd probably do what you are doing and just gut ubuntu
[00:57] <devinheitmueller> Yeah, it’s your typical embedded Linux appliance where almost nothing ever changes but somebody can yank the power cord at any time.
[00:59] <devinheitmueller> Always hard finding the right balance - rolling your own micro-distro (or gutting a distro like Ubuntu) gives you ultimate control, but then you have to maintain it and can’t rely on the upstream for patches.
[01:00] <jrwren> i like gutting
[01:00] <jrwren> because i get all the advantage of the vast packages, and I can reasonably maintain it in the form of a patch
[01:00] <devinheitmueller> The customer is not as technically astute as you are.  :-)
[01:00] <jrwren> they shouldn't need to be.
[01:01] <devinheitmueller> In reality it’s likley they won’t do anything about this.  The only reason I started thinking about it is the dev system I was using had it’s ext4 rootfs lose it’s mind, leaving hundreds of critical items in /lost+found.
[01:01] <devinheitmueller> Oh, and it didn’t boot.  Always nice.
[01:02] <jrwren> XFS ftw.
[01:03] <devinheitmueller> XFS feels surprisingly like overkill - it’s an embedded system with a single disk and 300MB of software.  It’s not a multi-terabyte storage array.
[01:03] <devinheitmueller> :-)
[01:04] <devinheitmueller> In other words, I shouldn’t have to use XFS to feel confident that my system is going to successfully boot.
[01:06] <jrwren> um... xfs isnt that different from ext
[01:06] <jrwren> it has nicer fsck properties
[01:15] <krondor> you could add ext4 checksums to help combat corruption.  It's a little newer though (in terms of FS timescales) so ymmv I haven't really played with it.
[01:16] <krondor> https://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Metadata_Checksums
[01:16] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/tmyAS3 - Ext4 Metadata Checksums - Ext4
[12:17] <cmaloney> morning
[12:18] <brousch__> indeed
[13:02] <smoser> well, above, devinheitmueller is gone now, but i'd probably start with ubuntu core. its what ubuntu core is for.
[13:02] <smoser> and go from there.
[13:03] <smoser> the read-only stuff, can be made to work. i have worked on 'overlayroot' which mounts root read-only and writes delta via overlayfs.
[13:04] <smoser> its functional. i think that probalby sint exactly what he was looking for, but using it will tell you nicely where things fall over (by seeing new files in the overlay location).
[13:04] <smoser> kirkland wrote a blog post on overlayroot at http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2012/08/introducing-overlayroot-overlayfs.html
[13:04] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/AFWu3I - From the Canyon Edge: Introducing overlayroot -- overlayfs + dmcrypt!
[13:04] <smoser> its built into our images.
[13:13] <rick_h_> morning and TGIF
[13:20] <cmaloney> Yeah, no kidding
[13:49] <jrwren> ut oh, someone posted this GIANT jpg link to reddit -https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/30_Doradus%2C_Tarantula_Nebula.jpg
[13:50] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/BVS6wO - image/jpeg
[13:50] <jrwren> greg-g's data bill is going to quintuple
[13:53] <brousch__> It loads so slowly!
[14:06] <jrwren> cuz its HUGE
[14:06] <jrwren> and maybe greg-g has it throttled.
[14:41] <greg-g> jrwren: you think reddit, the 61st popular site by Alexa, will have a traffic impact on us, the 4th popular site?
[14:42] <brousch__> Is that a dare?
[14:42]  * brousch__ send it to 4chan
[14:42] <greg-g> when was that image posted?
[14:42] <greg-g> http://i.imgur.com/8LXvhEI.png
[14:42] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/R1RXlG - image/png
[14:42] <greg-g> that's the past week
[14:43] <greg-g> actually, that's just css/js, that blip was us deploying a new version
[14:44] <greg-g> here comes upload.wikimedia.org traffic:
[14:44] <krondor> reddit punches above its traffic weight due to the burstiness (yes I say that's a word) of top posts
[14:44] <jrwren> greg-g: my thought was that the file is so large that it would take fewer hits to impact you.
[14:44] <krondor> though I doubt it would be a problem :)
[14:44] <greg-g> last week of upload traffic: http://i.imgur.com/3UfqB7E.png
[14:44] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/YlPCRU - image/png
[14:44] <jrwren> at the same time, it could easily be served via CDN
[14:44] <jrwren> do you use a CDN?
[14:44] <greg-g> jrwren: cache
[14:44] <greg-g> we are our own cdn
[14:45] <jrwren> what cache?
[14:45] <greg-g> varnish boxen
[14:45] <jrwren> centralized or distributed?
[14:45] <greg-g> we have 3 caching locations
[14:45] <greg-g> SF, Virginia, and Amsterdam
[14:45] <jrwren> i see.
[14:46] <greg-g> soon Dallas (that'll be a full fledged DC, with caching obviously)
[14:46] <jrwren> and you don't care about data quantity hitting them?
[14:46] <greg-g> no, they're caches :)
[14:46] <jrwren> or you'd not notice?
[14:46] <greg-g> not that image from reddit
[14:46] <cmaloney> I love that my CPU fan starts going into overdrive when I load that image.
[14:46] <greg-g> see the last imgur link from me
[14:46] <jrwren> still, they have a data rate limit of the aggregate of their interfaces, right?
[14:46] <jrwren> yes, I see it, its always the same.
[14:46] <jrwren> nice consistent graph.
[14:47] <jrwren> so, I get that this reddit link doesn't impact you AT ALL.
[14:47] <greg-g> here's the last day for upload caches (images): http://i.imgur.com/hkIFpYK.png
[14:47] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/nOXKPc - image/png
[14:47] <jrwren> still, I wonder what it would take.
[14:47] <greg-g> a lot
[14:47] <greg-g> :)
[14:47] <jrwren> what is your daily max aggregate cache traffic rate?
[14:47] <greg-g> I don't think I should publicly say our utilization %
[14:47] <jrwren> ok
[14:48] <jrwren> that is probably a good idea.
[14:48] <greg-g> which is why I didn't include the numbers on the left of the graph ;)
[14:48] <jrwren> understood.
[14:48] <greg-g> we are a #4 website afterall, people like to make names for themselves ;)
[14:48] <bookiebot> closed - importer doesn't handle spaces - https://github.com/bookieio/Bookie/issues/4
[14:48] <greg-g> heh
[14:48] <cmaloney> http://theroaring420s.bandcamp.com/album/the-roaring-420s-what-is-psych?t=5
[14:48] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/VkGCYJ - The Roaring 420s - What Is Psych? | The Roaring 420s
[14:48] <jrwren> greg-g: I know! and you don't even use DDoS protection!
[14:48] <greg-g> bookiebot: not all #666s are bookie bugs
[14:49] <cmaloney> I love some of the band names of stoner bands.
[14:49] <greg-g> jrwren: nope, we're 100% in house, except for one or two third-party monitoring (in caes our monitors go down, heh)
[14:50] <cmaloney> I think that's more secure that way
[14:50] <jrwren> you can do 100% in house ddos proection :p
[14:50] <jrwren> when I said you don't use it, I didn't mean cloud ddos b.s. like cloudflair, I meant an Arbor Networks mitigation appliance :p
[14:50] <cmaloney> Since you're not relying on mirrors that might try to change thing son Wikipedia
[14:50] <greg-g> jrwren: oh, I'm not 100% sure if we don't, but I'm 90% sure we don't have one of those
[14:50] <cmaloney> jrwren: Come Monday will that be a Juju deployment? :)
[14:51] <jrwren> cmaloney: nah. juju should probably have that kind of protection too ;]
[14:51] <cmaloney> hah
[14:52] <greg-g> jrwren: whenever we have had spikes in traffic for weird reasons (either bad actors or good intention'd people's bots gone crazy) I've never heard of any automatic anything
[14:52] <greg-g> really, raw traffic won't hurt us, it's intelligent queries to specific things
[14:53] <rick_h_> anyone want to buy an x230 that you can't use the microphone jack on?
[14:53] <cmaloney> Has wikipedia ever been ddosed?
[14:53] <rick_h_> (or the built in mic)
[14:53] <jrwren> rick_h_: oh no! is that what you tweeted about?
[14:53] <cmaloney> rick_h_: so it's official then? XPS in da house?
[14:53] <greg-g> cmaloney: successfully? not that I know of
[14:53] <krondor> cmaloney:  oh I'm sure, probably like weekly just not hard enough to count
[14:53] <rick_h_> jrwren: no, I tweeted about juju core $@#!$@$ me over and cauing me pain and agony
[14:53] <greg-g> cmaloney: we've seen people try
[14:53] <greg-g> :)
[14:53] <cmaloney> greg-g: Oh no doubt
[14:53] <jrwren> ah, poor jujucore. they should have hired me :p
[14:53] <rick_h_> jrwren: but my new laptop should be here tomorrow which is required because my x230 has sound issues and I can't use it for meeting
[14:54] <cmaloney> rick_h_: I'd hold out on selling
[14:54] <cmaloney> Make sure you're 100% good with parting
[14:54] <rick_h_> cmaloney: it's going to get tough for the wife to see me around with a desktop and 3 laptops
[14:54] <rick_h_> cmaloney: I've not booted it in a week
[14:54] <cmaloney> Just put it on the closet for a while
[14:54] <cmaloney> let it pass
[14:54] <jrwren> old laptops make good cloud nodes. tell her its part of your home cloud.
[14:54] <greg-g> so, when I first started, some random dude threatened ddos'ing us on IRC, I mentioned it to our networking lead, her first reaction was laughing and just walking away. From then on I haven't worried ;)
[14:54] <cmaloney> and then when you don't want to go into the closet to retrieve the x230 then it's time to make peace.
[14:55] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, did think about that for a maas controller letting me have 3 nucs to operate
[14:55] <rick_h_> might still do that if no one's interested
[14:55] <jrwren> greg-g: understood, still, unless you can handle 300Gbps, I wouldn't get too cocky.
[14:55] <greg-g> jrwren: no, we can't do 300gbps, that I'll say :)
[14:55] <jrwren> greg-g: then if the right people wanted to take you down, they could.
[14:56] <greg-g> jrwren: I mean, you can look up our ASN stuff, too
[14:56] <greg-g> jrwren: totally
[14:56] <jrwren> oh yeah!
[14:56] <krondor> jrwren:  well, they probably have agreements with their providers to help with that mitigation upstream too
[14:56] <krondor> still that interface will be a delay and no doubt cause downtime with that type of hit
[14:57] <greg-g> jrwren: to help: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Peering
[14:57] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/TvEAZr - Peering - Wikimedia Foundation
[14:57] <cmaloney> This reminds me of the talk that we had at work in 2003 right before the power grid toook a hit that knocked out MI and Ohio. :)
[14:57] <jrwren> oh man, that is so cool to visit a site adn it says, you are visiting from... "..." and its an ipv6 addy
[14:58] <cmaloney> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_America_blackout_of_2003
[14:58] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/1UUPVo - Northeast America blackout of 2003 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[14:58] <greg-g> cmaloney: :)
[14:58] <krondor> cmaloney: cascading failure scenarios are a thing :) ask Blackberry, I think they blamed that for at least 8 of their outages
[14:58] <jrwren> cmaloney: i remember it well, my dad had just bought 2 quarts of ice cream, and I got to help eat it.
[14:58] <greg-g> jrwren: ours?
[14:59] <cmaloney> I remember driving home to Belleville and being unable to call JoDee on the cellphone
[14:59] <krondor> that reminds me I need to yell at comcast again about ipv6, not that it will help
[14:59] <greg-g> https://www.peeringdb.com/private/participant_view.php?id=1365 gives you numbers (guest/guest login)
[14:59] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/jzcSYc - PeeringDB Login
[14:59] <cmaloney> Though the phone system at work was working
[14:59] <krondor> i was reasonably impressed how long it took the cell towers to start dying, and in more populated areas they just kept filling the generators so they didn't
[15:00] <jrwren> greg-g: nah, http://bgp.he.net/AS33668
[15:00] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/twBRwD - 403 Forbidden
[15:00] <cmaloney> it's also the time when joDee looked at the phone (which didn't ring because the power was cut), picked it up, and surprised both her and her friend that was calling.
[15:00] <cmaloney> krondor: yeah, but they were slammed.
[15:00] <jrwren> greg-g: i was looking up: http://bgp.he.net/AS14907  to see you
[15:00] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/t5UX4H - 403 Forbidden
[15:01] <jrwren> huh, i wonder why it says 403. I wonder if they filter based on UA
[15:01] <brousch__> cmaloney: Don't drag all of Michigan into your little blackout.  I love that stuff.
[15:49] <greg-g> we make our own, actually
[16:22] <cmaloney> Nothing wrong with decomposing cabbage
[16:48] <StoneTable> rick_h_: Speedy response to that bug. Thanks! :D
[16:48] <rick_h_> StoneTable: oh hey, how goes?
[16:48] <rick_h_> StoneTable: heh, sorry I floated by the FF note at first
[16:48] <StoneTable> Pretty good, thanks. You?
[16:49] <StoneTable> No worries!
[16:49] <rick_h_> party party
[16:50] <rick_h_> StoneTable: what's got you poking at the GUI?
[16:50] <rick_h_> doing anything fun?
[16:51] <StoneTable> Interview prep. Sent my resume in last week, and setting up a time to talk to someone over there.
[16:51] <rick_h_> oh cool, who you talking to?
[16:51] <StoneTable> Antonio Rosales
[16:51] <rick_h_> oh awesome, great guy
[16:52] <StoneTable> Good to hear. I'm looking forward to that chat.
[16:53] <rick_h_> cool, let me know if you've got any questions
[16:53] <StoneTable> And the juju/Charms stuff is pretty slick, so I'm really excited to play with that more. I wish I'd had that 8 or so years ago.
[16:53] <StoneTable> I sure will, thanks!
[19:36] <greg-g> cmaloney: wow, a 16EUR/$800 USD cd?
[19:36] <greg-g> cmaloney: re the stoner rock band you linked before
[19:51] <cmaloney> greg-g: Eh?
[19:51] <greg-g> that 420 whatever band's cd was 16 Euros
[19:52] <cmaloney> If I hit "buy it now" I get 21.24
[19:52] <cmaloney> 21.66 rather
[19:52] <cmaloney> Granted I don't think four tracks is 21.66. :)
[19:52] <greg-g> sorry, it was a bad "OMG, USD is so low compared to EUR" joke
[19:52] <cmaloney> Yes, yes it was. ;)
[19:52] <cmaloney> Though I've seen folks post albums that were ridiculous in price.
[19:53] <cmaloney> like $8 a track or some shit.
[19:57] <cmaloney> Actually I think the prime offender that I was thinking of lowered his prices on his music after I told him he was... ahem... high. :)
[19:59] <greg-g> :)
[19:59] <greg-g> was it also stoner rock?
[20:05] <greg-g> cmaloney: btw, I'm liking http://juddmadden.bandcamp.com/album/everything-in-waves, it's CC BY-NC, you should use it for OMC
[20:05] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/Gz89Dh - Judd Madden
[20:37] <cmaloney> greg-g: It's on my list. :)
[20:38] <greg-g> it'd be a long episode. He seems to like 8+ minute songs
[20:38] <cmaloney> Yeah, he doesn't write short songs.
[20:39] <cmaloney> IIRC it's instrumental
[20:39] <cmaloney> so perfect for instrumetalcast.
[20:41] <greg-g> yeppers
[21:01] <cmaloney> Oh, btw: the person who said that the Aereo case might have an impact on cloud broadcasting for personal use:
[21:01] <cmaloney> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/06/in-aereos-wake-fox-targets-dishs-tv-streaming-service/
[21:02] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/BbOJD7 - In Aereo’s wake, Fox targets Dish’s TV streaming service | Ars Technica
[21:02] <cmaloney> We're going to need some more fires, because there aren't enough to handle the "dying in" load.
[22:40] <greg-g> bad article, but interesting: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/facebook/facebook-passwords-are-not-case-sensitive-update/3612
[22:40] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/mk6YT - Facebook passwords are not case sensitive (update) | ZDNet
[22:41] <greg-g> basically, FB accepts 3 forms of your password:
[22:41] <greg-g> 1) original password as you typed it (duh)
[22:41] <greg-g> 2) original password with a capitalized first letter, in case your mobile device does that annoying thing
[22:41] <greg-g> 3) your password with the case flipped on all letters, in case you have caps lock on
[22:42] <greg-g> horrible horrible horrible reporting from ZDnet, of course, cuz I still have no idea why they're still around
[22:51] <gamerchick02> wow yeah i don't know how they've stayed in business either
[22:52] <gamerchick02> and hello from windows 8 *ducks and covers*


[00:04] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Good man :)
[00:18] <guiverc> fb finally too..
[00:20] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I wipe Gdoc and start on UWN567 :)
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[20:43] <guntbert> the page http://maas.ubuntu.com/docs/install.html is (at least in part) out of date
[20:44] <guntbert> it still tell me to initiate the import of the boot-images from the command line
[20:44] <guntbert> *tells
[20:46] <guntbert> whereas Julian Edwards says "Also, you should use the UI to import the pxe files, the script is there just as a backup. " in a comment on bug #1161927


[08:10] <vicious1> hi, nayone awake?
[08:13] <vicious1> just wanted to know how the hell i can turn sendfile off in maas 2.8 snap installation.. the pxe servings is beyond slow
[08:17] <d0ugal> vicious1: best to ask questions on discourse
[08:18] <d0ugal> discourse.maas.io