[03:21] <studio-user774> how to fic screen tearing? any help? Ubuntu studio latest version.
[04:07] <studio-user780> any word on when ubuntu studio 18.0 will be out?
[04:08] <oerheks> in month 04
[04:09] <studio-user780> ok thanks lots
[04:09] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule


[07:08] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:12] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: ping
[07:12] <SuperMatt> morning
[07:12] <MooDoo> going to pm you ok?
[07:12] <SuperMatt> ok
[07:15] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: ps morning :D
[07:15] <SuperMatt> morning -.-
[07:19] <SuperMatt> I think I might be too ill for work today
[07:19] <SuperMatt> but I think I should show up, at least to make it known how ill I am and I'm not just skipping work until I start my new job >.<
[07:20] <MooDoo> then get sent home, the best way imo
[07:20] <SuperMatt> yarr
[07:32] <foobarry> theres been a weird illness going round
[07:33] <foobarry> stomach pains, feeling nauseous for few days
[07:33] <MooDoo> foobarry: father in law has that now, and my daughter had it last week :(
[07:36] <foobarry> i had ut too
[07:37] <foobarry> any other symptoms?
[07:37] <arsen> hihi - Happy New Year all :)
[07:38] <MooDoo> not that I can think of, the odd chest pain, but that could just be the father in law, daughter didn't seem to have that.
[07:38] <foobarry> my baby has bad cold too :(
[07:42] <MooDoo> booo
[07:54] <MartijnVdS> \o
[07:54] <MooDoo> hello MartijnVdS
[07:55] <MartijnVdS> Happy new year everyone :)
[07:55] <MooDoo> You too!
[08:14] <diplo> Morning all
[08:15] <MooDoo> morning diplo
[08:16] <diplo> I had that stomach bug as well, just read up
[08:16] <diplo> I had it for 3-4 weeks, felt like I was having a heat attack at one point
[08:17] <diplo> I believe it was indigestion from whatever I had.. others had it for a week or so but I've been quite ill for some time so probably not the best person to gauge it on
[08:20] <dwatkins> morning folks
[08:22] <MooDoo> morning
[08:44] <SuperMatt> oh what a world
[08:45] <dwatkins> are you melting, SuperMatt?
[08:46] <SuperMatt> I might as well be
[08:47] <dwatkins> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aopdD9Cu-So
[08:48] <SuperMatt> I'm assuming that's a video of the wicked witch melting?
[08:49] <dwatkins> yeah, in case anyone didn't get my reference or yours
[08:49] <andylockran> morning all
[09:11] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:15] <bashrc> hi
[09:26] <JamesTait> Good morning all, Happy New Year! :-D
[09:26] <popey> Morning.
[09:26] <bashrc> Happy new 2014
[09:27] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[09:27] <bashrc> it's the future already
[09:27] <MartijnVdS> 🎉
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> (U+1F389)
[09:29] <bashrc> is that a bat signal?
[09:30] <JamesTait> I thought whatever font I'm using in my terminal had just about every Unicode symbol going, but that one confused it. :-P
[09:30] <SuperMatt> I'm using the ubuntu font in my terminal
[09:30] <SuperMatt> mostly because it's actually a good monospace font
[09:31] <SuperMatt> 0Oo1IlL <- if any of this is confusing, I feel bad for you son. I got 99 problems but my typeface ain't one
[09:31] <JamesTait> I suspect I am too.
[09:32] <SuperMatt> interesting, in ubuntu mono the uppercase l is larger than lowercase
[09:32] <SuperMatt> wait, that's wrong
[09:32] <popey> yes
[09:33] <SuperMatt> the lowercase l is larger than the upper case
[09:33] <JamesTait> So it is!
[09:33] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: Do you use screen or tmux? Because screen gets confused by newer (higher) characters
[09:33] <SuperMatt> I wonder what the decision was behind that
[09:34] <MartijnVdS> behind breaking UTF-8 in Screen?
[09:34] <MartijnVdS> To get people to move to tmux of course ;)
[09:34] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, I use irssi through screen, so that might be it.
[09:34] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: I use byobu + tmux, which does support those characters
[09:34] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: it's http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f389/index.htm basically ;)
[09:34] <MartijnVdS> (the bug is http://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?38944)
[09:35] <SuperMatt> I just want to know who comes up with these things
[09:35] <SuperMatt> any why, specifically, we need them
[09:35] <JamesTait> Party popper!
[09:35] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: the emojis etc.? So they can map *every* symbol set that existed before to unicode
[09:36] <SuperMatt> right right, but surely there's a huge number of pictogarms? do we really need a party popper?
[09:37] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: they existed before as a standard set, in Japanese phones
[09:37] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: https://sites.google.com/site/unicodesymbols/Home/emoji-symbols/proposal-text
[09:37] <JamesTait> Those crazy Japanese! :-P
[09:39] <SuperMatt> oh, I see
[09:40] <SuperMatt> when you put it like that, it all makes sense
[09:40] <SuperMatt> to some extent
[09:43] <foobarry> i wonder how they decide prices for goods in oxfam. many are  above RRP
[09:45] <SuperMatt> oh really?
[09:47] <foobarry> i wonde if they due a cursory ebay of an item and pick an arbirtrary price
[09:48] <foobarry> they have an online shop
[09:51] <foobarry> other non-chain charity shops price things low to shift stock, but oxfam seem to think they can demand near RRP for 2nd hand items
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: well, if the rest goes to charity..
[09:53] <foobarry> MartijnVdS: they don't shift the stock though if they are selling H&M /primark clothes at higher price than the brand new stuff
[09:53] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: and to compensate, they increase prices even more ;)
[09:54] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: also, their management probably needs a new gold toilet or something?
[09:54] <foobarry> i think the shop staff are volunteers, unsure if any are paid
[09:54] <MartijnVdS> (isn't that how most charities operate these days?)
[09:55] <MooDoo> I think the shop managers are paid, but everyone else aren't
[09:55] <foobarry> In the financial year 2012/13, Oxfam's chief executive was paid £119,560
[09:55] <MartijnVdS> which is more than I'm paid as a coder
[09:56] <MartijnVdS> and it feels a bit wrong, as they're a *charity*.
[09:56] <SuperMatt> sure, but that a lot less than many ceos
[09:57] <SuperMatt> I imagine it's not a low stress job
[09:57] <foobarry> echoes my sentiment: http://www.weeklygripe.co.uk/a761.asp
[09:57] <SuperMatt> so that actually seems quite fair to me
[09:57] <SuperMatt> anything much higher than that though, and I would question it
[09:58] <foobarry> if they paid too low then they will struggle to get a decent CEO
[09:58] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: we've had a few of those in the news in .nl
[09:58] <SuperMatt> foobarry: indeed
[09:59] <SuperMatt> I imagine that the ceo has a good social conscience not to want much more, but also be aware of what the going rate is for ceos, and thus has struck a good balance
[09:59] <popey> they're charging those prices for goods in charity shops because supply+demand
[10:01] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:02] <foobarry> i can't see them shifting badly priced clothes
[10:02] <foobarry> they must get re-sent to diffrent branches where they are more reasonably priced
[10:04] <foobarry> hence why independent ones price them correctly in the first place, because its up to themselves to shift stock
[10:06] <foobarry> ah, they say there is no general policy on price, so experiences with different brancheds may vary
[10:57] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:57] <MartijnVdS> \o davmor2
[10:57] <davmor2> Happy New Year!
[10:58] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:59] <davmor2> MooDoo, MartijnVdS: nice break?
[10:59] <MartijnVdS> Nah, back at work already :)
[11:01] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah it was thanks, but I'm with MartijnVdS back at work already
[11:02] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: but the christmas -> new year break was good :)
[11:03] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[11:04] <popey> \o/ I started making a silly game yesterday. Anyone fancy testing it? ☻
[11:04] <MartijnVdS> popey: sure, which platform?
[11:04] <popey> windows / linux / osx
[11:04] <popey> http://popey.com/asteroids/downloads/
[11:04] <popey> it's only just started, made the player movement and networking code
[11:05] <popey> want to see if it works outside my house ☻
[11:05] <MartijnVdS> popey: ah it's not Ubuntu Phone-only ;)
[11:05] <popey> no ☻
[11:05] <popey> doesn't work on ubuntu phone (yet)
[11:06] <ali1234> is it unity?
[11:06] <MooDoo> popey: works on windows machine at work
[11:06] <ali1234> is that a silly question?
[11:06] <popey> yes ali1234
[11:06] <MartijnVdS> ./asteroids.x86: error while loading shared libraries: libGLU.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:06] <popey> ooh
[11:06] <MartijnVdS> but that might be me not having i386 libs
[11:06]  * popey uploads 64-bit version
[11:06]  * brobostigon probably will be spending more time making things for his pebble now. he suspects.
[11:07] <popey> MooDoo: can you join the server? or indeed see any server?
[11:07] <bigcalm> popey: works for me on 13.10 64bit
[11:07] <bigcalm> popey: not sure how I exit though
[11:07] <popey> yeah, i need a quit button ☻
[11:07] <MooDoo> popey: can see jupieroids, but can't join it button does't do anything
[11:07] <bigcalm> popey: also, flew off the screen and can't find the craft again
[11:08] <MooDoo> popey: then again it could be work network, i'll try it at hom
[11:08] <popey> ah, you on a proxy?
[11:08] <popey> bigcalm: yeah, known bug ☻
[11:08] <MooDoo> yeah.
[11:08] <popey> ah, okay
[11:08] <popey> will look at adding proxy support
[11:08] <popey> ta
[11:08] <ali1234> i can't see any servers. no proxy
[11:08] <ali1234> i started a server and then flew off the screen
[11:08] <popey> heh ☻
[11:09] <popey> how does the craft physics feel?
[11:09] <bigcalm> Same here
[11:09] <popey> (other than going off screen)
[11:09] <popey> sluggish / fast ?
[11:09] <bigcalm> Aha, refreshed the list and now I see Jupiteroids
[11:09] <ali1234> impossible to tell, i flew off the screen within 0.5 seconds
[11:09] <popey> I'll put a boundary around it for now
[11:09] <ali1234> the graphic is a bit blurry
[11:09] <popey> bigcalm: can you join?
[11:09] <bigcalm> popey: Clicking on Jupiteroids does nothing when I click on it
[11:09] <popey> yeah, its a scaled up rip off from ZX Spectrum Thrust ☻
[11:09] <popey> bigcalm: excellent
[11:09] <dwatkins> Thrust was an excellent fame.
[11:10] <ali1234> either make the edges wrap or just reflect the craft velocity vector if it goes beyond the edge and is also travelling away from the center of the screen
[11:10] <popey> just the kind of result I was hoping for
[11:10] <dwatkins> also, game
[11:10] <bigcalm> The physics are similar to what I would expect from such a game
[11:10] <popey> ali1234: yeah, agreed
[11:10] <popey> seems nobody managed to successfully join the server
[11:10] <popey> wonder if that's because I'm behind NAT
[11:10] <popey> (where the server is)
[11:10] <dwatkins> what port does it use?
[11:11] <popey> 25000
[11:12] <popey> MartijnVdS: 64-bit builds uploaded ㋛
[11:12] <popey> (although I expect you may have the same issues everyone else has) ☻
[11:13] <ali1234> 32 bit works on 64 bit
[11:13] <popey> yeah, if you have the 32-bit GL stuff installed I guess
[11:13] <popey> (which you will if you have steam on linux installed I imagine)
[11:13] <ali1234> yeah
[11:13] <popey> want to test this on android too
[11:13] <popey> need to install the android sdk
[11:13] <ali1234> write some more of the game first, you'll get more testers :)
[11:13] <popey> yeah ☻
[11:14] <popey> thanks chaps
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> popey: physics feel good :)
[11:14] <bigcalm> Ooo, the 64bit version gives me a screen res options
[11:14] <ali1234> i never got that
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> also "windows mode" or not
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> windowed
[11:14] <popey> but without the networking stuff working it's going to never work, so I wanted to test that outside my home network first
[11:14] <popey> heh, #blameunity
[11:15] <ali1234> make a dedicated server?
[11:15] <ali1234> or set up port forwarding
[11:15] <popey> yeah, I'll make a headless build which spawns a server
[11:15] <bigcalm> Yep, the 64bit version works like the 32bit version for me. But with the addition of an options screen
[11:16] <popey> odd that one build has the resolution option but the other doesn't
[11:16] <MooDoo> get it flying over the uuk minecraft map ;)
[11:16] <popey> hah
[11:16] <popey> also need a better ship graphic
[11:16] <popey> "also" as in "as well as actually writing the rest of the game" ☻
[11:17] <ali1234> did you ever do christmas tetris?
[11:17] <popey> no.. what's that?
[11:17] <bigcalm> Amusing that trying the 32bit version again now uses the settings I applied in the 64bit version. But still no option screen
[11:17] <ali1234> you were going to write a christmas themed game in scratch
[11:17] <popey> oh, yes, I started
[11:17] <popey> sorry, forgot scratch for a moment there ☻
[11:18] <popey> need to look at that again before the next codeclub class, thanks for reminding me!
[11:18] <ali1234> the hard part about writing games is finishing one before you start the next one
[11:18] <popey> true!
[11:18] <MooDoo> my problem is I get easily dis...ooo look a frog! ;)
[11:18] <diddledan> MooDoo: me too
[11:18] <ali1234> and i just had an idea for a funny game
[11:19] <gordonjcp> ali1234: likewise music
[11:19] <bashrc> you could call it "coder focus"
[11:19] <gordonjcp> which is why I have a couple of backup drives of half-finished audio, and several boxes of floppies of half-finished sequences
[11:20] <gordonjcp> "oh this sounds good, doesn't fit this track, let me just create a new one and get it down quick"
[11:20] <davmor2> MooDoo: you don't need a frog, a shiny will cover it
[11:20] <popey> there's "one game a month" which makes this worse ☻
[11:20] <popey> http://www.onegameamonth.com/
[11:20] <MooDoo> davmor2: me no likey shiney!
[11:21] <gordonjcp> I am going to limit myself to three *finished* tracks before the end of March, then up the pace a bit and get some of the rest done
[11:21] <davmor2> MooDoo: look at the shiny camera lens
[11:21] <MooDoo> davmor2: no can do at moment, got exams to concentrate on
[11:22] <foobarry> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1046165765/egg-the-intelligent-cat-companion?ref=discovery
[11:23] <ali1234> so do the unity tools work on linux yet?
[11:26] <foobarry> every 3d pribter on kickstarter gets fully funded v quickly
[11:26] <popey> ali1234: no
[11:26] <popey> ali1234: i got them working briefly in WINE but it was sub-optimal
[11:26] <popey> bit crashy
[11:27] <popey> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Introducing-Unity-for-Arch-Arch-Linux-with-Unity-360250.shtml
[11:27] <popey> hehe
[11:30] <foobarry> never seen arch in the wild
[11:31] <popey> I get told about it a lot from other linux users
[11:31] <foobarry> it remains the mythical distro of the blog commenter
[11:31] <popey> hah
[11:36] <davmor2> I hate holidays the inbox after one is catastrophic
[11:36] <MooDoo> davmor2: thats why i'm always logging into work email during hols :)
[11:37] <davmor2> MooDoo: I try not to touch a computer while I'm off or I get sucked  in and I'm back to working again :D
[11:38] <MooDoo> davmor2: I should know better
[11:38] <bashrc> I never log into work anything during hols
[11:38] <dwatkins> davmor2: are you ircing from a phone?
[11:39] <davmor2> dwatkins: no back at work today
[11:39] <dwatkins> ahh, same here
[11:39] <bashrc> happy back at work day!
[11:39] <MooDoo> i should have booked these two days off lol
[11:39] <dwatkins> no rest for the wicked, nor support staff like me ;)
[11:40] <davmor2> MooDoo: no it's time for your email client to recover ready to start work on Monday ;)
[11:42] <MooDoo> dwatkins: same here...pah to support lol
[11:42] <dwatkins> thankfully it's quiet
[11:42] <MooDoo> here too
[11:42] <MooDoo> dwatkins: give me time to study :)
[11:43] <SuperMatt> work leaving drinks booked \o/
[11:43] <dwatkins> MooDoo: yeah, plenty of things to learn for me too
[11:43] <MooDoo> dwatkins: windows for me though lol
[11:55] <davmor2> MooDoo: did you see the lightbox for camera phones on one of the crowdfunding sites?
[11:56] <MooDoo> davmor2: I think you mentioned it, but not 100%
[12:06] <dwatkins> this? http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/limemouse/scanbox-turn-your-smartphone-into-a-portable-scann
[12:06] <MooDoo> nice
[12:15] <davmor2> dwatkins: no just trying to find it
[12:27] <andylockran> Happy New Year!
[12:27] <popey> indeed
[12:27] <andylockran> just getting back into the swing
[12:40] <dwatkins> http://img.outdoortoysworld.co.uk/images/products/Hedstrom%20Single%20Swing_A_SS-1.jpg andylockran ;)
[13:19] <selinuxium> Hi All and a Happy New Year... :)
[13:21] <MartijnVdS> selinuxium: and the same to you!
[13:38] <diddledan> "up with the british aristocracy"
[13:38] <diddledan> "and up yours"
[13:38] <diddledan> :-p
[13:38] <diddledan> something like that anywho
[13:39] <diddledan> I forget the actual quote
[13:41] <diddledan> so. it's 2014. doesn't feel any different.
[13:42] <davmor2> diddledan: it has a 4 instead of a 3 so it's very different :P
[13:42] <diddledan> I can't feel it yet
[13:42] <diddledan> maybe it takes a while to soak-in>?
[13:43] <davmor2> diddledan: no you just need to write it a few times :)
[13:45] <foobarry> heh after all that oxfam chat this morning i was looking for a certain book and found that oxfam were selling it at a decent price via amazon marketplace
[13:57] <Mez> Does anyone in here have experience setting up ubuntu with >2 monitors (across multiple gfx cards)
[13:57] <SuperMatt> I've never managed to get it to work :/
[13:57] <bashrc> sadly I don't.  I'm an old-fashioned one monitor bloke
[13:58] <SuperMatt> I've got two monitors on one nvidia card
[14:01] <Mez> My old box ran 4 monitors fine (raring + NVS Quatro).  Can't even get the machine to detect the monitors with that card on my new machine.
[14:01] <Mez> Can get GFX up to 3 monitors, though the third has major tearing issues)
[14:02] <Mez> so, trying to work out my simplest way to get 4 running
[14:04] <popey> Mez: bigcalm does
[14:05] <popey> Mez: also, Azelphur
[14:06] <diddledan> I run multiple monitors on an AMD 6870 card, but that's using the binary drivers and AMD's eyefinity thing
[14:25] <bigcalm> I run 3 22" monitors off one nvidia graphics card (2 x dvi and 1 x hdmi). My 4th monitor is connected to a windows server
[14:25] <bigcalm> I used to run more monitors, but that was over 2 graphics cards. So I've never had more than 3 monitors connected to one graphics card
[14:27] <SuperMatt> I really don't need more than two monitors
[14:27] <SuperMatt> at least, not for the kind of things I do
[14:27] <SuperMatt> I can understand some people needing more though
[14:35] <MartijnVdS> you might have to use a xorg.conf in those cases
[14:35] <MartijnVdS> ?
[15:06] <directhex> so
[15:08] <directhex> Mez, you can't get more than 3 monitors hooked up to any current consumer-grade graphics card, unless the monitors are displayport-based and you use a displayport out on the graphics card
[15:09] <MartijnVdS> chaining \o/
[15:09] <directhex> the gpu needs to synchronize the rate at which it sends data to the monitor, and most cards only have 3 independent clocks for synchronizing against.
[15:09] <directhex> displayport doesn't require synchronization as the timing information is bundled with the display data
[15:10] <directhex> so you aren't limited by pixel clocks
[15:12] <DJones> Heh, and on the multiple monitors topic, there's somebody in #u talking about having 6 monitors connected to 2 graphics cards... That must be a hell of a lot of screen space
[15:12] <SuperMatt> I'm just not sure why anyone really needs that many
[15:13] <directhex> porn.
[15:13] <directhex> all the porn.
[15:13] <SuperMatt> literally
[15:13] <diddledan> I want a massive "screen"
[15:13] <SuperMatt> though watching 6 movies simultaniously doesn't seem neccessary
[15:14] <MooDoo> driving sim with 3 monitors is awesome, then 2 smaller ones as wing mirrors, i've seen it, it's ace
[15:14] <DJones> 1) IRC, 2) Facebook, 3) Email, 4) Cat pictures, 5) G+, 6) Web browsing, 7) Work... Oh bugger, can't do any work, only got 6 screens :)
[15:15] <MooDoo> lol
[15:15] <diddledan> I need at least 2 screens for work
[15:15]  * SuperMatt too
[15:15] <SuperMatt> I tend to have about 4 or 5 terminal windows open at any time
[15:15] <diddledan> one with the code and one with the test site
[15:15] <SuperMatt> on one screen, and on the other, browser and email
[15:15] <diddledan> yeah I'd like three so I have another for terminals
[15:16] <SuperMatt> at my new job I believe I'll only have two
[15:16] <diddledan> and for web coding I tend to have the inspector open so I would really like that on yet another
[15:18] <foobarry> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.amphoras.hidemyroot&hl=en looked promising for 4od but doesnt appear to do the trick for CM
[15:19] <diddledan> foobarry: "On some roms (usually rooted stock roms), Hide my Root will allow you to use Google Videos and similar apps on a rooted phone. On custom roms such as CyanogenMod, it will not allow you to use Google Videos and similar apps on a rooted phone."
[15:20] <diddledan> note the second sentence
[15:20] <foobarry> yeah, sucks.
[15:20] <SuperMatt> hmm yeah, 3 screens for webdev does sound pretty optimal
[15:20] <foobarry> must be doable
[15:21] <diddledan> SuperMatt: then there's needing IRC open on another screen :-p
[15:22] <SuperMatt> IRC just gets lost in all my other terminal windows
[15:23] <diddledan> I use a GUI to IRC
[15:23] <SuperMatt> irssi ftw
[15:24] <diddledan> I like the at-a-glance ability of gui - colour-coded joined channel list indicating new messages and new highlighted messages for e.g.
[15:24] <MooDoo> i use irssi too on my vps
[15:24] <SuperMatt> I'm gonna have to migrate my session in a couple of weeks
[15:24] <diddledan> I expect irssi can do it with some fancy screen/byobu integration though
[15:24] <SuperMatt> when I get my hands on cheaper vpses through work :P
[15:25] <MooDoo> :p
[15:25] <diddledan> cheap vpsen? shut up and take my money!
[15:25] <diddledan> :-p
[15:25] <SuperMatt> diddledan: I'll be working for rackspace, so it'll be an employee only benefit
[15:26] <diddledan> fooey
[15:26] <diddledan> you'll be able to play with some fancy stuffs though
[15:26] <SuperMatt> I know!
[15:26] <SuperMatt> that's why I'm so excited about going
[15:26] <diddledan> :-D
[15:27] <SuperMatt> I'm not excited about transferring all the stuff on my current server over though
[15:28] <SuperMatt> no doubt I'll foget a package or two and my email won't work at all
[15:28] <daftykins> SuperMatt: all part of the fun! :D
[15:28] <SuperMatt> sure thing :)
[15:28] <SuperMatt> I'll just migrate it all and use local host modifications to test
[15:48] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: time to use chef ;)
[15:48] <SuperMatt> nah, it's not like I change my server often
[15:48] <SuperMatt> I was just gonna do dpkg --getselections, or whatevers
[15:49] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: still.. having a recipe = useful :)
[15:50] <SuperMatt> I just ran get-selections and it sure as hell missed out a lot of my packages
[15:50] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: there's a better way that takes care of apt as well
[15:52] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: http://askubuntu.com/questions/101931/restoring-all-data-and-dependencies-from-dpkg-set-selections
[15:53] <SuperMatt> aha, putting in the '*' made the difference
[15:59] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: you want apt-mark
[16:00] <SuperMatt> I know I'll figure it out in a couple of weeks
[16:04] <SuperMatt> I might actually manually look through the list of packages and remove the ones I know I won't need
[16:04] <SuperMatt> because I've installed some crud in my time
[16:06] <bashrc> havn't we all
[16:14] <diddledan> autoremove ftw
[16:14] <diddledan> :-p
[16:35] <SuperMatt> aha, good news that nginx will be coming to main in 14.04
[16:35] <bigcalm> Replacing Apache2?
[16:35] <SuperMatt> no no
[16:36] <SuperMatt> just being along side
[16:36] <SuperMatt> which means it get support for the entire lifetime of the lts
[16:36] <bigcalm> Ah, good
[16:39] <SuperMatt> I thought it was about time nginx got as much love as apache
[16:41] <popey> yeah, good news
[16:42] <SuperMatt> I've been using nginx quite a lot recently for load balancing and ssl termination
[16:42] <gordonjcp> nginx ftw
[16:42] <SuperMatt> but I still wouldn't use it for php heavy sites
[19:22] <popey> \o/ it's unity-coding-o'clock
[19:22] <DJones> Somebody please give me an injection of sanity, watching a tv programme which had a heatseeking image of suspects & captors with a cross hair on them & I was moving my mouse expecting the crosshair to move....Doh!!!!!
[19:24] <davmor2> popey: you have to add the 3d bit other wise it sound like you are at work still :D
[19:31] <popey> heheh
[19:31] <popey> they dont call it unity3d anymore
[19:31] <popey> it's just called Unity, because they have a 3d and 2d engine
[19:33] <davmor2> popey: that's not gonna be confusing at all :D
[19:34] <ali1234> how does git automatically put output into a pager, and why don't more applications do this?
[19:34] <davmor2> ali1234: magic
[19:34] <ali1234> i am totally convinced this is the reason git is the most popular DVCS
[19:35] <ali1234> every time i type "bzr log" and forget to append " | less" it makes me curse bzr developers
[19:35] <Laney> yeah, that broke me
[19:35] <Laney> so i found the bzr-pager plugin
[22:02] <czajkowski> Laney: 4 weeks to FOSDEM!
[22:03] <Laney> ^_^
[22:03] <Laney> i'm scared
[22:03] <Laney> you'll have to show me the ropes
[22:04] <czajkowski> find a bar - sorted
[22:04] <czajkowski> at the event download the app before you go there
[22:04] <Laney> surely you have to find THE bar
[22:04] <czajkowski> and sub to the talks you want to go
[22:04] <czajkowski> sorted :)
[22:04] <czajkowski> Laney: narp it's delerium
[22:04] <czajkowski> done
[22:04] <Laney> o ok
[22:05] <Laney> we're at a hotel in the city centre
[22:05] <Laney> hope it's not too hard to get there
[22:05] <directhex> can't afford fosdem
[22:06] <directhex> blew hundreds on mono hackfest in vienna
[22:06] <Laney> huh
[22:06] <Laney> i assumed sponsorship happened
[22:07] <czajkowski> Laney: which hotel
[22:08] <Laney> cannae remember
[22:08] <Laney> it's near some famous square
[22:08]  * Laney is so cultured
[22:08] <czajkowski> Laney: have you been on the sauce again
[22:08] <directhex> Laney, my employer sponsored the event, but didn't fund me directly. different pots of money. gnome foundation seems to have decided not to even bother acknowledging my reimbursement paperwork
[22:09] <Laney> huh
[22:09] <Laney> you should prod people directly
[22:10] <Laney> czajkowski: anyway, we have didrocks and desrt who are seasoned fosdemmers staying in the same place
[22:10] <Laney> so i'm sure i'll be well chaperoned :P
[22:11] <czajkowski> Laney: \o/
[22:11] <czajkowski> I shall be in the NoSQL room mostly
[22:11] <Laney> you trendy thing
[22:14] <czajkowski> Laney: hey you're the hipster!
[22:14] <Laney> ¬_¬
[22:15] <Laney> london scares me and you can't be a hipster if you don't like london
[22:15] <Laney> QED
[22:17] <czajkowski> lol
[22:19] <daftykins> XD
[22:19] <daftykins> cities scare me
[22:20] <Laney> I'd have to learn to drive to not live in one :(
[23:00] <arc__> Hello
[23:00] <daftykins> hi
[23:00] <arc__> I have booted lubuntu 13.04/.10 up and my screen is flashing
[23:01] <arc__> Booted from usb
[23:02] <arc__> Any help ;)
[23:03] <daftykins> flashing 0o
[23:03] <daftykins> as in it's showing the desktop fine - but it blinks?
[23:04] <arc__> No desktop just cusor
[23:04] <popey> http://popey.com/asteroids/downloads/ \o/ 8 people connected to my server now
[23:04] <popey> fixed things bigcalm and ali1234 mentioned earlier
[23:04] <popey> still need to add bullets and some other gamey features
[23:04] <daftykins> hrmm not sure if nomodeset is appropriate
[23:04] <arc__> 12.04 works like a charm
[23:06] <arc__> I booted it normaly from my usb [live cd/usb boot ]
[23:07] <arc__> but started to flicker when the cursor came on no backgroud or desktop just a cursor
[23:09] <arc__> Any ideas
[23:11] <arc__> I had the same problem when doing the same thing with ubuntu 13.04/.10
[23:12] <daftykins> you can look into the kernel boot parameter "nomodeset" but i don't know if it's applicable in your situation
[23:14] <arc__> Lol thanks for the help i tried googling it but no luck [i am a crap google searcher]
[23:14] <daftykins> hrmm i wonder if...
[23:14] <daftykins> !nomodeset
[23:14] <daftykins> huzzah ^
[23:15] <arc__> Kk thank u will try that tommorow
[23:15] <daftykins> no problem
[23:15] <daftykins> i'd ask more but i'm headed to bed now
[23:15] <arc__> Yea me too lol
[23:28] <gordonjcp> can anyone talk me through pairing a GPS in 13.10?  I'm obviously missing something fundamental in the Bluetooth control panel, because it always gives me a random PIN


[02:14] <MrCanoehead> Hello?
[10:27] <anpan> Hello, using lubuntu 16.04 here. Since I updated the packages yesterday, I am unable to boot normally into lubuntu (screen stays black). If I boot into recovery and then select "resume boot" I can enter the passwords for my encrypted SSD and HDDs and log in, but all system dialogs and texts are incredibly small (cant read the text in lxterminal for instance)
[10:27] <anpan> any suggestions how I can find out what went wrong? it's a bit difficult without a readable console available
[10:28] <anpan> Its also not showing me the task-bar that's usually at the top
[10:29] <anpan> selecting the previous kernel in grub also didn't help
[11:21] <anpan> okay I have narrowed down the Problem now: I have to boot with "nomodeset" or else the screen will stay black. If I execute "modprobe radeon modeset=1", the screen will turn black and I have to reboot. dmesg | egrep 'drm|radeon' says something about UMS not being supported. It was working fine yesterday though
[11:21] <anpan> I tried searching for that error, but came up with nothing that helped. I don't know what to do anymore
[11:22] <anpan> it only find one of my two connected screens right now, too
[11:23] <anpan> and as I said before, the system menu fonts are incredibly small and I cant read them anymore
[15:06] <Guest34433> I have a Lubuntu 14.04.4-64.How to turn off auto log on?
[16:42] <tursiops> Hello everyone
[16:44] <tursiops> i-ve now tried to install lutuntu several times but each time it crashes at the installation. It says it reports bugs automatically, but i still would like to know if there is way to know what-s wrong
[16:44] <tursiops> the regular ubuntu installation works fine
[16:44] <wxl> tursiops: how did you install?
[16:44] <tursiops> created a live cd downloaded from the website
[16:44] <wxl> ok great
[16:44] <tursiops> the live cd part works
[16:45] <wxl> did you check the hashes of the iso you downloaded?
[16:45] <tursiops> nope, but i noticed that you can check the disc for defects at boot
[16:45] <tursiops> should i do that
[16:45] <wxl> you should really do both
[16:45] <wxl> 1 single bit of difference can lead to all sorts of strange problems
[16:46] <tursiops> ok let me redownload then
[16:46] <tursiops> can i burn a cd while being on the live cd or should i use anothe computer
[16:47] <wxl> you should be able to. it will just, in general, be slow.
[16:47] <tursiops> ok im in no hurry
[16:48] <tursiops> another general question, where does bugs go when they are automatically sent from the installer
[16:48] <tursiops> just for my curiosity
[16:48] <wxl> depends on the nature of the situation
[16:49] <tursiops> ok understand
[16:49] <wxl> but usually launchpad is the place where bug reports live
[16:49] <wxl> if a dump is involved (often the case with a true crash), the bug will be marked private initially
[16:49] <wxl> you might find errors.ubuntu.com interesting
[16:50] <tursiops> ok, where is the hash from the file on lubuntu, i only can find the link to download but no hash
[16:50] <wxl> where did you find the link?
[16:51] <tursiops> on lubuntu.net
[16:51] <wxl> well, for one, lubuntu.net is not the official website
[16:51] <wxl> lubuntu.me is
[16:52] <tursiops> ok... well thats the first website that comes up when typing lubuntu on google...
[16:52] <wxl> well if you search on duck duck go you'll find it's not the official one
[16:52] <wxl> but tl;dr
[16:53] <wxl> you can go here to get the release and the hashes are there too http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/
[16:53] <tursiops> ok cancelled that download, retrying on the official site
[16:53] <wxl> they all point to the same place in the end
[16:53] <wxl> although the lubuntu.net is outdated
[16:55] <tursiops> ok thanks i ll wait for it to finish downloading and then check the hash burn it and try again
[16:55] <wxl> if you still have problems, come back and let us know what version you're on and the specific nature of the crash and we'll go from there. i haven't seen this in the wild so i suspect it's a download and/or copying error (fairly common actually)
[16:56] <lynorian> burning a live cd while on a live cd would require 2 cd drives
[16:56] <wxl> oh hahahah yeah that's right XD XD XD
[16:57] <tursiops> ooooh... ok then i ll have to turn off the live cd and then use another computer to burn it
[16:57] <wxl> or use a usb
[16:57] <tursiops> or can i mount the iso and launch the install that way
[17:03] <tursiops> ok hash is good, creating usb key now
[17:04] <tursiops> maybe see you later...
[17:17] <tursiops> Hello its me again..
[17:17] <tursiops> its a problem with ubiquity it seems
[17:18] <tursiops> should i send you some logs, im in the var log folder right now
[17:18] <wxl> so you checked the hashes of the iso and the image itself when you booted it?
[17:18] <tursiops> yes
[17:18] <wxl> what version we talking about?
[17:18] <tursiops> the last one 16.10
[17:19] <wxl> what error did you see?
[17:19] <tursiops> when i tried to create the portitions with lvm it crashed
[17:19] <wxl> ah lvm
[17:19] <tursiops> saying an error with ubiquity and to check the var log folder
[17:20] <wxl> i seem to remember an error with ubiquity and lvm. lynorian do you remember such a thing?
[17:20] <tursiops> if i try to install without lvm it works, but then it crashes at the install part
[17:20] <lynorian> wxl vaguely
[17:20] <wxl> did you try without lvm on this new disc?
[17:21] <tursiops> yes it goes further
[17:21] <tursiops> but then it starts to install
[17:21] <tursiops> and crashes there
[17:21] <wxl> define crash
[17:21] <wxl> what specific errors?
[17:21] <tursiops> the message says that the installer crashed and that it will be reported to the bug system
[17:22] <wxl> bah
[17:22] <wxl> is there an ubiquity log or folder in /var/log?
[17:22] <wxl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1435960
[17:22] <wxl> you might want to leave a comment on that saying you experienced the same problem on 16.10
[17:23] <tursiops> i see xorg and syslog and a bunch of other logs
[17:23] <tursiops> but no one called ubiquity
[17:24] <wxl> k check out the end of syslog and see if there's anything telling there
[17:26] <tursiops> yeah lots of error saying all pretty much the same
[17:26] <tursiops> Error retrieving chunk extents
[17:26] <wxl> why don't you pastebin the entirety of the log?
[17:26] <wxl> the system might let you install pastebinit which will make it easy
[17:27] <tursiops> ok how do you pastebin, never done that before
[17:27] <wxl> sudo apt install pastebinit && cat /var/log/syslog | pastebinit
[17:27] <wxl> it will return a url
[17:29] <tursiops> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23538617/
[17:29] <tursiops> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23538617/
[17:29] <tursiops> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23538617/
[17:29] <lynorian> wxl know if this affects debian installer images?
[17:29] <wxl> lynorian: no that would be good to check
[17:29] <tursiops> ive tried with a regular ubuntu iso and it works just fine
[17:29] <tursiops> with lvm and all
[17:29] <wxl> tursiops: thanks. we can look at that. meanwhile, to get you going, i'd get the alternate installer
[17:30] <tursiops> ok i ll do that then
[17:30] <tursiops> if its any help im using a asus e200ha
[20:41] <tursiops> Hello Everyone, im back with news
[20:41] <tursiops> i managed to install the alternate version
[20:42] <tursiops> but now it doesn-t seem to take into account my keyboard locale, even if it changed it