[00:00] <root> ok gracias
[00:00] <millak> I was trying to get the webcam on my laptop to work
[00:00] <theFATMAN> for some reason my menus are fully transparent and sub menus are overlapping the parent menus....how do I fix this?
[00:01] <root> todos son unos mialditos cabrones esepto los que hablan español los que no me chingo a su mama
[00:01] <nixternal> root: it is really a bad idea to be logged in as root and on irc as root
[00:01] <nixternal> root: #kubuntu-es
[00:01] <nixternal> I can read a little bit of spanish :)
[00:01] <nixternal> I do live in Chicago
[00:02] <shaffy> does anyone know of a program that downloads webpages for offline viewing later?
[00:04] <theFATMAN> for some reason my menus are fully transparent and sub menus are overlapping the parent menus....how do I fix this?
[00:07] <HollowPoint> are you using compiz?
[00:08] <HollowPoint> or just been playing around in system preferences?
[00:09] <theFATMAN> HollowPoint: compiz-fusion
[00:09] <HollowPoint> have you got the configuration editor installed?
[00:09] <theFATMAN> HollowPoint: i have went from compiz to kwin, and it does the same regardless
[00:09] <HollowPoint> ok then it is in your system preferences
[00:10] <theFATMAN> HollowPoint: where?
[00:11] <HollowPoint> go to K Menu > System Settings > Appearance > Style
[00:11] <theFATMAN> k, brb
[00:11] <theFATMAN> it's a little hard to do now, lol
[00:12] <theFATMAN> ok, there, is it the effects tab?
[00:12] <theFATMAN> i see it
[00:13] <theFATMAN> HollowPoint: whats the 'rubberband' effect?
[00:13] <Gibby69> Anyone know how to resize the sign in screen at boot up
[00:13] <millak> I foolishly installed some unfinished drivers for my webcam and now things don't work so well... how can I uninstall them?
[00:15] <ubuntu_> Hey, I just installed Kubuntu Hardy, and it looks like grub installed on the wrong hard drive.. How do I fix this?
[00:19] <harolddong> do you mean that you get an error 22 when you try to boot?
[00:19] <ubuntu_> No, I just boot up to exactly the same grub menu that was there before I installed.
[00:19] <ubuntu_> And all the data on the other hard drive disappeared..
[00:20] <shaffy> does anyone know of a program that downloads webpages for offline viewing?
[00:22] <Jucato> shaffy: Konqueror for KDE 3 has one. If konq-plugins is installed (it should be by default), you should have a Tools -> Archive Web Page entry
[00:22] <Jucato> (oh KDE 4 has one too, but I haven't tested it)
[00:23] <azzco> Does anyone have any idea why my mouse won't move when I hold down a non-modifier key?
[00:24]  * azzco feels like he add that he has tried with more than one keyboard
[00:25] <shaffy> Jucato: thanks.  much appreciated :)
[00:34] <The_Real_Hollow_> nick HollowPoint
[00:34] <The_Real_Hollow_> damnit
[00:34] <joshual> hey folks, anyone running on a preinstalled ubuntu dell 1525 N ?
[00:39] <BluesKaj> joshual, you might try the #ubuntu chat
[00:45] <birnisson> hi, does anybody know when amarok 2.0 will be released?
[00:46] <Odd-rationale> birnisson: when it is ready
[00:46] <birnisson> Odd-rationale: heh, so no roadmap set?
[00:46] <HollowPoint> why whats wrong with amarok as it is? lol
[00:46] <Odd-rationale> birnisson: i dont think amarok 2 has a release date...
[00:46] <birnisson> Odd-rationale: all right, tnx
[00:46] <Odd-rationale> np
[00:47] <birnisson> HollowPoint: nothing really, I just like the bling of 2.0
[00:47] <HollowPoint> lol fair play
[00:47] <Odd-rationale> i'm actually beginning to like moc...
[00:47] <HollowPoint> haven't seen 2.0 yet
[00:47] <HollowPoint> moc...?
[00:48] <Odd-rationale> HollowPoint: music on console
[00:48] <HollowPoint> aaaaaaaaaah
[00:49] <HollowPoint> yeah I suppose, I like Amarok though, can just shove stuff in the playlist and carry on working
[00:51] <Odd-rationale> then cool thing with moc is that it daemonizes (similar to mpd). so you could close it, restart X, and the music will still keep playing...
[00:52] <HollowPoint> true
[00:52] <HollowPoint> I don't restart X often though
[00:52] <HollowPoint> would be cool to use during a Gentoo build I suppose
[00:53] <tinin> How do I disable compiz effects from starting with each kde session?
[00:53] <HollowPoint> open up a console, type kwin --replace & then reboot
[00:53] <mm_> hola
[00:53] <tinin> yeah
[00:53] <tinin> but I will need o do this each time
[00:53] <mm_> donde puedo ir a un chat en español ????
[00:54] <tinin> mm_ #kubuntu_es
[00:54] <HollowPoint> nah it should remember the window manager you were using when you exited
[00:54] <tinin> perdon
[00:54] <tinin> mm_ #kubuntu-es
[00:54] <mm_> este programa como se congihuraria ....
[00:54] <tinin> entra ahi
[00:55] <mm_> que bueno , gracias
[01:08] <LolKitteh_> I'm trying to configure the wifi on Kub 8.04 desktop. Network settings in system settings seems totally buggered, what's best way to configure wifi with WEP auth please? any link to doc will do :-)
[01:10] <Jucato> LolKitteh_: K Menu -> Internet -> KNetworkManager. if it's running already, it should have an icon in the system tray. right-click (or click) to configure
[01:11] <mmmiiikkkeee> I am having trouble setting up Kdevelop.  What is the best channel to ask for help with that in?
[01:12] <Jucato> mmmiiikkkeee: #kdevelop
[01:12] <LolKitteh_> thank you Jucato - I tried that but nothing is launched
[01:12] <mmmiiikkkeee> Jucato: ok thanks
[01:13] <LolKitteh_> If I run knetworkmanager from the command line, same thing
[01:13] <edsonw> Brasil
[01:13] <edsonw> é nóis na fita
[01:13] <LolKitteh_> no error, no nothing, nothing happens
[01:13] <edsonw> hehe
[01:13] <LolKitteh_> Used KDE3 by the way
[01:14] <Jucato> !br | edsonw
[01:14] <nubotu> edsonw: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[01:14] <Jucato> LolKitteh_: press Ctrl+Esc and see if it's already running
[01:15] <LolKitteh_> yep it is, should I kill it?
[01:16] <HollowPoint> can you not see the icon in the bottom right hand corner (System tray)
[01:16] <LolKitteh_> ah ok I saw the icon in the
[01:16] <LolKitteh_> right corner
[01:17] <LolKitteh_> says 'no active device'
[01:17] <HollowPoint> right click on that you should see an option in one of the menus to activate wireless?
[01:17] <LolKitteh_> ok, one sec, righit clicked it
[01:17] <LolKitteh_> yes, thanks HollowPoint I'll get back to you in a sec, I;m seeing the light now ;-)
[01:17] <HollowPoint> :D
[01:25] <LolKitteh_> HollowPoint, Jucato thanks, wifi now working :-)
[01:25] <HollowPoint> well done mate
[01:25] <LolKitteh_> sorry. yeah, haven't used Linux for a while, things have changed ;-)
[01:26] <HollowPoint> I know that feeling, I left it for a couple of years and during that time became a Senior Windows Engineer, when I came back things were very different lol
[01:28] <LolKitteh_> ha ha - yeah, I got lazy cause had to use windows...
[01:32] <HollowPoint> well I became a Senior Windows Engineer which meant I spent pretty much 95% of my time in Windows Desktops and Servers trying to fix problems, when I came back to Linux I was a bit lost. Now I'm back using Linux Exclusively at home and thinking about changing careers to Linux Engineer instead
[01:43] <tefloncj> Having a problem with knetworkmanager (pretty certain that others have had this - but I can't think of the google search terms for this).   We  can hook in through manual connections ... can hook up a wired connection through manual configuration.  The problem is, we can NOT auto-detect local wireless networks and hook in to them.  I think that the configuration got messed up, but I'm not sure how/what was done (the laptop owner do
[01:49] <mabarahona> buenas
[01:50] <NickPresta> !es | mabarahona
[01:50] <nubotu> mabarahona: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[01:50] <saint__> yes banana's for all!
[01:52] <mmmiiikkkeee> Jucato: And if no-one responds to my question in #kdevelop where should I ask?
[01:52] <TZM> tefloncj: Have you ever had wireless working on that computer? And is it Hardy or a previous version?
[01:52] <brad_> hey I'm trying to help my friend get his computer set up, and when I tried it out the wireless worked
[01:52] <brad_> but now he can't get it to connect
[01:53] <brad_> and ifconfig shows wlan0, but when he does ifup -v wlan0 it says it is ignoring unknown device and nothing else
[01:53] <Jucato> mmmiiikkkeee: um.. wait?
[01:53] <Jucato> mmmiiikkkeee: but what problem are you having?
[01:53] <mmmiiikkkeee> I am trying to get  KDevelop to do automatic code completion.  I Have the check box checked under the C++ support tab in project settings, but it does not seem to do what I had expected.  Nothing is automatic, but if i press CTRL+SPACE I get completion to work.  I have been following the guide at http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Set_up_KDE_4_for_development   to set up kdevelop. This is the only problem I have had
[01:53] <tefloncj> TZM - This laptop is running gutsy.  Wireless did work in the past
[01:54] <TZM> brad_; How about "sudo ifup wlan0"?
[01:54] <Jucato> mmmiiikkkeee: um.. I guess you'll really have to wait for an answer there. or ask if someone's using kdevelop in here
[01:55] <TZM> tefloncj: OK well please give more details/clues--when did it break? What were the circumstances? (e.g upgrades, etc)
[01:55] <tefloncj> hang on - must ask the laptop owner
[01:55] <brad_> oops I mean sudo ifup says ignoring device, sudo ifdown says device not configured (which I know is what it generally says if you've already done ifdown)
[01:56] <mmmiiikkkeee> Jucato: ok thanks for your help though
[01:56] <TZM> brad_: After doing the sudo ifdown wlan0, did you then try the "sudo ifup wlan0"? Sometimes I have to "ifdown" before I can "ifup" even though it might seem I'm disconnected to begin with.
[01:58] <brad_> tzm: I had him down both and ifup only says it is an unknown device, yet on ifconfig it shows wlan0 as being there...on network interfaces in kinfo it does not show wlan0 and only shows lo
[01:59] <TZM> brad_: OK instead do "sudo ifconfig wlan0 up" and then "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart"
[01:59] <tefloncj> TZM: About a month ago, the machine owner was trying to hook in to a network.  Network owners couldn't tell him what encryption the wireless net was set for.   He went into knetwork manager's manual configuration settings to try and crowbar the settings in to place to hook in to said network.  After that point, auto-detection of wireless points did not work.  He can still hook in to wired points through manual connection.  Can not
[02:02] <TZM> tefloncj: Can he do a "sudo iwlist wlan0 scan" and pick up any wifi APs?
[02:03] <tefloncj> stand by ... trying that
[02:03] <HollowPoint> what does the /etc/network/interfaces file look like?
[02:03] <TZM> tefloncj: Make sure he replaces "wlan0" with his wireless interface...\
[02:04] <tefloncj> iwlist does detect local networks (whythehelldidn't *I* try that??)
[02:05] <tefloncj> and /etc/network/interfaces ... for the interface in question ... iface eth1 inet dhcp
[02:05] <tefloncj> which matches the others
[02:05] <TZM> HollowPoint: That /etc/network/interfaces file is only necessary for ifup/ifdown. You don't have to have your interface configured in it to use networking successfully.
[02:05] <HollowPoint> yes but the knetwork manager will NOT auto find wifi networks if there is anything in that file other than lo
[02:06] <tefloncj> hollowpoint -- interfaces has entries for eth0, eth1, and wlan0 --all set for DHCP
[02:06] <brad_> TCM: that said device restarting, but on ifup it still says unknown dvice
[02:06] <HollowPoint> I have two seperate interfaces files which I have to swap between on my notebook, one for normal operation with just lo named which allows knetwork manager to search for wifi networks
[02:07] <HollowPoint> and one that has all my interfaces including some Taps and a bridge named for virtualbox networking, basically if I have anything other than lo named in the interfaces file knetworkmanager will not find wifi networks in the GUI
[02:08] <tefloncj> hollowpoint -- am trying your suggestion - just backed up interfaces
[02:08] <TZM> HollowPoint: Actually that's not true--my wlan0 is in interfaces and I can use knetworkmanager fine. But I know what you are talking about--I've read that and been told that, just that my experience proves different.
[02:08] <HollowPoint> you'll pretty much need to stop networking (NOT RESTART) then create a /etc/network/interfaces file with just lo in it, then start networking and you should find it'll allow you to find wifi networks
[02:08] <HollowPoint> which version are you using TZM?
[02:08] <HollowPoint> of Kubuntu I mean?
[02:09] <TZM> HollowPoint: Hardy.
[02:10] <HollowPoint> same as me then, I haven't tried it since I moved to Hardy because it refused to work in Gutsy
[02:10] <HollowPoint> I know they've updated knetworkmanager so maybe it works better in Hardy?
[02:10] <TZM> brad_: Well you can't use ifup/ifdown unless your wireless interface is in /etc/network/interfaces.
[02:11] <HollowPoint> you can because Kubuntu automatically creates the interface on boot depending on what hardware it finds, it won't however automatically (Neccessarily) write it to interfaces
[02:12] <TZM> HollowPoint: I don't know--I've never resolved whether having an NIC listed in interfaces interferes with knetworkmanager, because like I said, for me it doesn't, but I've heard of some people who have that problem.
[02:13] <HollowPoint> might be that you have exceptionally functional hardware/drivers that allow you to do that
[02:13] <HollowPoint> I'm only spitballing here I don't know that for sure
[02:14] <TZM> HollowPoint: Yes, could be Linux voodoo that I'm unaware of. I don't pretend to be an expert on networking in Linux, but I've learned alot in my quest to keep my networking actually working. :)
[02:14] <HollowPoint> one thing I have experienced previously was if I set an interface in the interfaces file to dhcp I could edit it in KNetworkManager but the changes would have no effect, whereas if I set it to manual KNetworkManager worked fine, all except my wireless that is which won't work at all if I name it in interfaces
[02:15] <hellhound> when i am given a browse for file option i notice alot of cool links on the left hand side such as download, pictures videos and templates.... is there a way to change the link to these shortcuts to point to a different location?
[02:15] <teflonc1> HollowPoint -- Thanks!  Worked!
[02:15] <TZM> HollowPoint: I think you may have hit the nail on the head--I forgot mention my wlan0 is configured for a static IP right now, so maybe that's why it exists peacefully in the interfaces file without interfering with knetworkmanager.
[02:15] <HollowPoint> Yeah I know what you mean, I'm an I.T. engineer by trade but I work with Windows machines mostly, I do get some Linux/Unix servers if I'm lucky but lately my job has moved more towards Cisco networking than anything else, has given me a great understanding of the problems between guis and configuration files
[02:16] <HollowPoint> no problem teflonc
[02:16] <HollowPoint> quite possible TZM
[02:18] <TZM> HollowPoint: I really wish there was some definitive documentation somewhere that made stuff like this clear. Have you ever seen it clearly explained anywhere?
[02:19] <HollowPoint> no I haven't, I learnt the hard way (As we all do with Linux) by trying to configure Host networking in Virtualbox
[02:19] <TZM> brad_: Where are you at right now? Is it still not working?
 HollowPoint -- Thanks!  Worked!
[02:20] <HollowPoint> then he left lol
[02:20] <TZM> HollowPoint: Not teflonc1, the other guy brad_. :)
[02:20] <HollowPoint> ah ok
[02:20] <HollowPoint> two with the same problem?
[02:21] <TZM> HollowPoint: Similar I think.
[02:23] <brad_> TZM: on the phone with my friend
[02:26] <navetz> can someone please tell me how to restart my keyboard without restarting x
[02:26] <Dr_willis> navetz,  usb? if so unplug it. wait a few sec plug ig back in..
[02:26] <Dr_willis> not sure why you need to restart a keyboard however....
[02:27] <TZM> HollowPoint: So what do think is the best way to "ifup/ifdown" a wireless card configured in knetworkmanager, given that it won't be in the interfaces file? I know of one way that works for me, but I'm not sure if it is the "official" method.
[02:28] <HollowPoint> lol no idea what the official method is but in Hardy I try not to use the command line for wireless, I tend to use Knetworkmanager instead
[02:28] <navetz> Dr_willis; it is on my laptop , and vmware stole my ctrl and shift keuys
[02:28] <navetz> keys
[02:28] <HollowPoint> I usually do "ifconfig wlan0 up"
[02:28] <HollowPoint> if all I want to do is bring it up after it's been configured in /etc/network/interfaces
[02:29] <Dr_willis> navetz,  thats weird.. I dont know of any way to reset it then.  Perhaps restarting vmware, and entering/leaving a virtual machine will  set them back.
[02:29] <HollowPoint> if I'm using knetworkmanager I just use the enable interface button
[02:30] <TZM> HollowPoint: for some reason "sudo ifconfig wlan0 up" is not enough for my NIC; I have to then do "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart" to get it working again..
[02:30] <navetz> Dr_willis; i have tried, it only seems to fix when i log out and log back in.
[02:30] <brad_> TZM: I had him add wlan0 to /etc/network/interfaces and now ifup works, but it isn't finding any networks even with iwlist wlan0 scan, despite the fact that a windows computer sitting next to it shows a strong connection
[02:31] <hellhound> when i am given a browse for file option i notice alot of cool links on the left hand side such as download, pictures videos and templates.... is there a way to change the link to these shortcuts to point to a different location?
[02:31] <HollowPoint> well technically speaking you should really do it in the following sequence
[02:31] <HollowPoint> ifconfig wlan0 down
[02:31] <HollowPoint> nano /etc/network/interfaces
[02:31] <HollowPoint> ifconfig wlan0 up
[02:32] <HollowPoint> the /etc/init.d/networking restart command is a little vague and shouldn't really be used
[02:32] <HollowPoint> whoops left a bit out lol
[02:32] <HollowPoint> ifconfig wlan0 down
[02:32] <TZM> brad_: did he do "sudo iwlist wlan0 scan"? It's important to run it as root or it just returns the last cached results.
[02:32] <HollowPoint> ./etc/init.d/networking stop
[02:32] <HollowPoint> nano /etc/network/interfaces
[02:32] <HollowPoint> ./etc/init.d/networking start
[02:33] <HollowPoint> ifconfig wlan0 up
[02:33] <brad_> TZM: yeah he ran it as root...and it doesnt show it on the general list of networks
[02:33] <HollowPoint> the restart command has several flaws, much better (Although annoying) to stop networking, make changes, then start networking again
[02:34] <charlie5> hi guys ... after a fresh install of hardy,  i used the restricted drivers panel icon to install nvidia drivers, and on reboot X wouldn't start ... should i try to install nvidia drivers via adept ?
[02:34] <TZM> HollowPoint: Isn't it enough to just do the /etc/init.d/networking stop, and then /etc/init.d/networking start then? why nano the interfaces file?
[02:35] <HollowPoint> well was just giving an example of what I do when I'm editing anything in networking
[02:35] <HollowPoint> if you're not changing something in the interfaces file you don't need to open it
[02:35] <TZM> HollowPoint: What are you changing then in interfaces?
[02:35] <HollowPoint> I thought you meant the best way to start the interface after making a change in the interfaces file
[02:36] <HollowPoint> all depends, if I'm using my laptop and I've gone to a customers site I might be removing a static IP address, changing the interface to DHCP or manual, I might be changing back to my blank interfaces file which only has the lo interface detailed etc
[02:37] <HollowPoint> half my time lately gets spent using Putty in Serial mode to console into a router or firewall and then having to test the connectivity of it, sometimes those firewalls/routers have dhcp, sometimes they don't etc, you never know
[02:37] <TZM> HollowPoint: OK, I actually didn't mean that. I just meant if the NIC is not in interfaces (which it can't if you want to use DHCP and knetworkmanager I believe), how would you stop/restart wlan0 from the CLI?
[02:37] <HollowPoint> ifconfig wlan0 down > ifconfig wlan0 up most likely, as long as it wasn't detailed in interfaces, I hadn't changed anything in interfaces etc
[02:38] <HollowPoint> but like I said I wouldn't do it in CLI if I was using knetworkmanager
[02:38] <__killerfox__> Is there any known bug with the latest QT library and Kopete?
[02:38] <HollowPoint> I'd use the enable interface button in knetworkmanager
[02:38] <TZM> HollowPoint: That's what I read, but like I mentioned, I have to do the additional /etc/init.d/networking restart to actually get mine going.
[02:38] <HollowPoint> __killerfox__ don't use kopete ?
[02:39] <__killerfox__> so there is a bug?
[02:39] <HollowPoint> lol no I just said don't use it
[02:39] <HollowPoint> are you using it for MSN or something else?
[02:39] <HollowPoint> yeah I know what you mean TZM
[02:39] <HollowPoint> it's something that used to annoy me regularly
[02:39] <__killerfox__> I'm using it for MSN, AOL, IRC & Gtalk
[02:40] <HollowPoint> when knetworkmanager wasn't upto the job etc back in the days of Feisty
[02:40] <HollowPoint> for MSN use aMSN, much better program, there are others out there for AOL, and GTalk and as for IRC just use Konversation instead
[02:40] <HollowPoint> I'm not a fan of Kopete
[02:41] <TZM> brad_: Can you give any more details of what changed or might have caused your friend's wireless to stop working? (installs, upgrades, etc)
[02:41] <__killerfox__> mhhhh I see
[02:41] <HollowPoint> aMSN is in the repos and Konversation should be pre-installed if you're on Kubuntu
[02:42] <brad_> TZM: Kubuntu was installed for the first time, no changes have been made since it worked for me when I tested it after install
[02:42] <HollowPoint> when you tested it after install the wifi worked?
[02:42] <TZM> brad_: So your friend doesn't know what changed or what he might have changed to cause it to all of the sudden not work?
[02:42] <charlie5> so, could the resticted drivers setup in kubu be buggy for nvidia ?
[02:43] <hellhound> does anyone know how to change the locations for some of the preloaded links on the "Quick Access Panel" of the "Save and Open dialog windows"?
[02:44] <brad_> TZM: it never worked for him, when he first booted it up it briefly showed a connection and wouldnt go past 28% then failed to connect, nothing has made the network show again
[02:45] <Grower> всем привет!
[02:45] <Grower> ктонибуть может помочь с xamp ом ?
[02:46] <mr--t> !ru
[02:46] <nubotu> Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[02:46] <Grower> проблемка в след,пытаюсь заинсталить пхп скрипт а мне пишет в ответ http://paste.org.ru/?uxj8ah
[02:46] <TZM> brad_: You have me confused--you say it worked fine for you after the install, but that it never worked for him?
[02:48] <brad_> TZM: thats what I don't understand, when I installed it at my house it connected and worked fine, I gave him the computer, and it has not worked, he does not know anything about computers and has not changed anything
[02:48] <brad_> TZM: but I only connected very briefly and know wireless often acts screwy
[02:49] <TZM> brad_: What did you do to get it working? ndiswrapper? madwifi? bcm43xx? b43?
[02:52] <TZM> brad_: ...Or did it work "out-of-the-box"?
[02:52] <brad_> TZM: it worked out of the box
[02:54] <mr--t> did you test it or just see the icon?
[02:54] <TZM> brad_: Like you said before, it may be that it seemed like it was working fine but really wasn't.
[02:55] <HollowPoint> did you actually manager to transfer a file or bring up an internet page or anything or just saw it connect and assumed it worked/
[02:55] <HollowPoint> ?
[02:55] <theFATMAN> ok, an image popped up from a website, filled the whole screen, how do i close it?
[02:55] <brad_> TZM: I have no more ideas and am giving up, thank you for the help though
[02:56] <TZM> brad__: No problem, too bad you two couldn't get it working.
[02:57] <HollowPoint> FATMAN bring up a console, type sudo top, look for firefox/konquerer whatever browser you were using and find it's PID, then while in top press k it will prompt for a PID, type in the PID of the program and presto, program closed, don't do this for everything but for a web browser should be fine
[02:57] <theFATMAN> HollowPoint: is there another option?
[02:58] <NickPresta> theFATMAN, is there any data in your browser which you don't want to loose right now?
[02:58] <theFATMAN> NickPresta: the browser is closed, mate
[02:58] <TZM> theFATMAN: Just do "sudo xkill" and click your pointer on the window you want to kill.
[02:58] <NickPresta> ah.
[02:58] <theFATMAN> damn image is still up
[02:58] <theFATMAN> pop up
[02:58] <NickPresta> then clearly the image is not from the browser if you closed it and all associated windows
[02:58] <Jucato> theFATMAN: press Ctrl+Alt+Esc and click on the image
[02:59] <theFATMAN> Jucato: trying now
[02:59] <theFATMAN> Jucato: didn't work, m8
[03:00] <theFATMAN> TZM: will that harm anything?
[03:00] <typedestereo> is progress quest in any of kubuntu's repositories?
[03:00] <TZM> theFATMAN: It will kill whatever window you click it on...
[03:01] <Jucato> theFATMAN, TZM:xkill = Ctrl+Alt+Esc in KDE
[03:01] <theFATMAN> ohhhh, cuz neither worked
[03:01] <theFATMAN> that desktop is disabled until i can close it
[03:01] <TZM> theFATMAN: How about a good old-fashioned reboot?
[03:02] <theFATMAN> TZM: aye, but i was trying to avoid that, lol
[03:02] <Dr_willis> reformat!
[03:02] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:02] <theFATMAN> trying to learn a new trick=)
[03:02] <HollowPoint> did top not work?
[03:02] <theFATMAN> HollowPoint: naw mate
[03:02] <HollowPoint> interesting
[03:02] <TZM> Dr_willis: No that's too wimpy--bring out the crowbar and jackhammer! :)
[03:03] <HollowPoint> well you could always just kill X
[03:03] <theFATMAN> HollowPoint: naw tried it
[03:03] <theFATMAN> lol
[03:03] <HollowPoint> all that will do (Providing your system is stable that is) is close EVERYTHING and put you back to the login screen
[03:03] <HollowPoint> you tried killing X?
[03:03] <theFATMAN> yep
[03:03] <HollowPoint> as in Alt Ctrl Backspace
[03:03] <HollowPoint> and then logged back in and it's still there?
[03:04] <Jucato> theFATMAN: how did you try to kill X?
[03:04] <theFATMAN> HollowPoint: wait a minute...i thought you meant ctrl+alt+esc
[03:04] <HollowPoint> no mate
[03:04] <theFATMAN> .........
[03:04] <TZM> If he's just going to log out and back in... why not just reboot and be done with the whole matter?
[03:04] <HollowPoint> alt ctrl backspace will kill X (Ungracefully) and restart the X server
[03:04] <theFATMAN> TZM: aye, i'll be back
[03:04] <HollowPoint> takes less time than a reboot
[03:05] <TZM> HollowPoint: True, but with all his X killing and such I personally would take the extra minute to reboot just to know my system is clean. :)
[03:06] <HollowPoint> lol I tend to restart X, then load up top and make sure I've got nothing I don't want running
[03:06] <mr--t> might still not beclean
[03:06] <Jucato> TZM: what if he's running something beneath X that needs to be kept running even if he has no GUI? (though unlikely, just "what if")
[03:08] <TZM> Jucato: Well if he really knew he was running something in the background that he didn't want to lose, then yes I agree with you... But I'd be willing to bet money that's not the case here. :)
[03:08] <Jucato> it also kills uptime... :P
[03:08] <HollowPoint> to be fair restarting X that way isn't recommended by most
[03:08] <HollowPoint> but I do recommend it if it's a standard enough stable enough system it'll be fine usually
[03:08] <Jucato> HollowPoint: at this point, there is no other way
[03:09] <Jucato> in his case I mean
[03:09] <HollowPoint> there is, log out lol
[03:09] <HollowPoint> but to do that you have to move the mouse and everything
[03:09] <HollowPoint> lol
[03:09] <Ashex> how does one change the default file manager?
[03:09] <Jucato> and your panel visible
[03:09] <HollowPoint> you want to change it from dolphin?
[03:09] <Jucato> HollowPoint: actually in KDE, Ctrl+Alt+Del would bring up the logout prompt
[03:09] <Jucato> I just forgot about it
[03:09] <HollowPoint> not in mine it doesn't :D
[03:10] <HollowPoint> oh sorry
[03:10] <HollowPoint> ctrl alt del does yeah
[03:10]  * Jucato kicks HollowPoint in the Point
[03:10] <HollowPoint> ctrl alt backspace just exits super quick :D
[03:10] <NickPresta> You should logout first before you just kill x. You could lose data if you don't.
[03:10] <Jucato> Ctrl+Alt+Bksp kills X. totally and without consideration. :)
[03:10] <Ashex> !defaults
[03:10] <HollowPoint> you could lose data yes
[03:10] <nubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about defaults, try looking on http://stdin.me.uk/bot/factoids.cgi
[03:10] <HollowPoint> if you had anything open to lose data
[03:11] <Jucato> !d3lphin | Ashex
[03:11] <HollowPoint> if not though, happy days
[03:11] <nubotu> Ashex: Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[03:11]  * TZM wonders why we are going on and on about this when poor old theFATMAN is rebooting anyway...
[03:11] <HollowPoint> lol
[03:11] <Jucato> TZM: coz we're probably trying to discuss how best to help others in the future
[03:11] <HollowPoint> Ashex why would you want to change from Dolphin?
[03:11] <HollowPoint> It kicks ass
[03:11] <Jucato> HollowPoint: D3lphin sucks :)
[03:11] <Jucato> Dolphin rocks
[03:11] <HollowPoint> WAY better than Konquerer
[03:12] <Ashex> HollowPoint, no expanadable file tree sidebar
[03:12] <HollowPoint> ah yes D3lphin does lol
[03:12] <NickPresta> D3lphin does indeed suck. Apologies to whoever is responsible for that
[03:12] <Ashex> split view makes the right sidebar take a third of the window
[03:12] <HollowPoint> Ashex I'm pretty sure you can sort that
[03:12] <Tann> yeah, that getts annoying
[03:12] <Ashex> HollowPoint, I haven't found anything to fix those two issues
[03:12] <Jucato> Ashex: you are talking about Dolphin in KDE 3 right?
[03:12] <Ashex> those are the two reasons I'm going back to Knoqueror
[03:12] <Ashex> yep
[03:12] <Jucato> (not KDE 4 Dolphin)
[03:13] <Ashex> KDE4 Dolphin has the file tree
[03:13] <Ashex> but the split view issue still exists
[03:13] <HollowPoint> hmmmmmmm
[03:13] <Jucato> yep. there's no way around that then
[03:13] <Jucato> except to keep on using Konqueror :)
[03:13] <Ashex> yep
[03:13] <Jucato> or use KDE 4's Dolphin
[03:13] <Jucato> ...
[03:13] <Tann> kde4 still isn't quite the best though
[03:13] <HollowPoint> see I never liked Konquerer as a file manager
[03:13] <Ashex> I'll give kde4 another try when 4.1 is out
[03:13] <mr--t> what about krusader
[03:13] <theFATMAN> ok, turns out a theme i had just installed screwed everything up. i removed it, now its straight
[03:13] <Jucato> Tann: we're talking about a single KDE 4 app, not the whole thing
[03:14] <HollowPoint> which theme? So we can all avoid it
[03:14] <typedestereo> is progress quest in any of kubuntu's repositories?
[03:14] <Ashex> I did pre-RC testing and what-not with KDE4 and it was still buggy as hell when it was released
[03:14] <NickPresta> typedestereo, progress quest?
[03:14] <theFATMAN> HollowPoint: it's real nice looking, but it's 'Liquid_Splash'
[03:14] <HollowPoint> The one thing I HATE about KDE4 is the desktop icons
[03:14] <Jucato> typedestereo: what is that?
[03:15] <Tann> Ashex: and plasma still needs a bit of developement
[03:15] <Jucato> HollowPoint: hm?
[03:15] <HollowPoint> too vista-esque
[03:15] <typedestereo> http://progressquest.com
[03:15] <Ashex> Tann, yeah. Had it crash quite a bit when I was playing with it
[03:15] <HollowPoint> everything is a widget
[03:15] <typedestereo> mock mmo style game
[03:15] <Ashex> my biggest peave was not being able to move the widgets around on the taskbar
[03:16] <Jucato> HollowPoint: you do know that KDE, GNOME, and OS X had widgets waaay before Vista?
[03:16] <typedestereo> basically idlerpg without irc
[03:16] <HollowPoint> I found you have to open them in the right order lol
[03:16] <Jucato> and Plasma was just bulding on that
[03:16] <Ashex> if you needed to move one, you had to remove them all up to the spot you wanted it at, then add them all back
[03:16] <Jucato> typedestereo: try searching in packages.ubuntu.com
[03:16] <NickPresta> typedestereo, http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/games/pq
[03:16] <Jucato> Ashex: that's still in the TODO list
[03:16] <HollowPoint> Jucato yeah I know but KDE4 has introduced the widget desktop icon, I just want a desktop icon, I don't care about it being a widget lol
[03:16] <theFATMAN> anyone know a vendor that would make a 'linu' super key replacement?
[03:16] <Ashex> Jucato, yeah, I read through it awhile
[03:16] <Ashex> I'm just voicing a few of the nuances :p
[03:16] <Ashex> awhile back*
[03:17] <theFATMAN> *linux
[03:17] <Jucato> HollowPoint: then don't. it will be turned into a desktop "containment" for that reason
[03:17] <Jucato> soon. not yet now. but soon
[03:17] <typedestereo> allright, thanks
[03:17] <HollowPoint> huh?
[03:17] <HollowPoint> lol
[03:17] <Jucato> HollowPoint: what it basically means is that the widget will become a desktop.
[03:17] <Jucato> your "old style desktop", so to speak
[03:18] <WillMc> can someone tell me why kmail is not starting in kununtu unless I start it in a termal window?
[03:18] <HollowPoint> believe me I'm not against new stuff and I'm not one of these guys who harks back to Gnome being an innovation in desktops and why can't it go back to being like that lol, I just don't want adjustable features on an icon lol I want it to be an icon, nothing more
[03:18] <navetz> hey guys my super key stoped working, I accidently changd my keyboard layout andI don't know how to fix it.
[03:18] <Jucato> WillMc: Alt+F2, "kmail" doesn't work?
[03:18] <navetz> can someone help
[03:19] <HollowPoint> WillMc use Evolution instead, kick ass mail client
[03:19] <Ashex> Wee, konqueror as default
[03:19] <HollowPoint> lol
[03:19] <WillMc> I don't have it in my menu when I loaded the system]
[03:19] <Jucato> oh course it comes with other features you might not want/need :)
[03:19] <Ashex> kinda miss having the available disk space int he status bar
[03:19] <Ashex> in the*
[03:19] <Jucato> WillMc: it isn't in the menu by default. it launches when you run Kontact
[03:19] <Tann> navetz: can you go to kcontol and go to regional. Then to keyboard Layout
[03:19] <calcmandan> is the bot not online?
[03:20] <Jucato> calcmandan: apparently
[03:20] <typedestereo> hm
[03:20] <NickPresta> calcmandan, nubotu
[03:20] <typedestereo> what's the kde equivalent of 'deb'?
[03:20] <NickPresta> !bot
[03:20] <nubotu> I am ubottu, the all-knowing infobot, standing in for ubotu while he's getting his haircut done, nose powdered, updated and transitioned to his new gorgeous looks in the near future ;)
[03:20] <WillMc> what is kontact
[03:20] <Jucato> WillMc: KDE PIM. it "houses" kmail, korganizer, kaddressbook, etc
[03:20] <NickPresta> typedestereo, that doesn't make sense. a deb package is for dpkg/apt based systems. Are you trying to install that deb?
[03:20] <calcmandan> ok nubotu
[03:20] <Jucato> !info kontact | WillMc
[03:20] <nubotu> Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[03:21] <theFATMAN> what the sod is the 'kicker'?
[03:21] <Jucato> er sorry
[03:21] <Jucato> theFATMAN: KDE panel
[03:21] <NickPresta> Jucato, it doesn't do redirection, info, or search, AFAIK
[03:21] <calcmandan> will it be the case for now or is it temporary?
[03:21] <typedestereo> yes, I got an error message saying 'command not found'
[03:21] <typedestereo> er
[03:21] <Jucato> !info kicker | Jucato
[03:21] <NickPresta> its temp. I would ask stdin. It is his, I think.
[03:21] <typedestereo> wait a second
[03:21] <typedestereo> *blink*
[03:21] <nubotu> Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[03:21] <Jucato> ok
[03:21] <Jucato> it doesn't :)
[03:21] <theFATMAN> !kicker
[03:21] <navetz> Tann: is there a default keyboard layout, I don't know which one I use to have?
[03:21] <nubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kicker, try looking on http://stdin.me.uk/bot/factoids.cgi
[03:21] <Jucato> theFATMAN: Kicker is the KDE Panel
[03:21] <theFATMAN> !thanks dude
[03:21] <nubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thanks dude, try looking on http://stdin.me.uk/bot/factoids.cgi
[03:21] <theFATMAN> lol
[03:21] <typedestereo> it says I need to add a line beginning with deb into a certain file...how do I do that?
[03:22] <Jucato> (as in "kick off" or "kick start" something
[03:22] <theFATMAN> just thought it'd be funny, sorry
[03:22] <HollowPoint> can we get rid of the bot lol
[03:22] <Tann> navetz: I believe you can deselect "Enable Keyboard Layouts" Or is that what you have already?
[03:22] <navetz> Tann: ah ok I see thanks.
[03:23] <NickPresta> typedestereo, open up Adept and in the menu, there is a Manage Repositories section. Add the third party repository that way.
[03:23] <theFATMAN> is kde-look.org the only site that has themes? can someone recommend a good one?
[03:23] <Jucato> theFATMAN: kde-look is the only site that "collects" themes... there might be others scattered around the net
[03:23] <HollowPoint> kde-look best one I've found but I decided not to actually use themes and instead I just mod things like splash screens and login screens seperately
[03:24] <theFATMAN> Jucato: problem is they're short on dark themes, lol
[03:24] <HollowPoint> you could always just use KDE4
[03:24] <HollowPoint> it's not all that bad really
[03:25] <theFATMAN> ive heard its not as stable as it could be
[03:25] <WillMc> how do you upgrade to KDE4?
[03:25] <Jucato> it's stable.. at least the one that will become 4.1...
[03:25] <mr--t> yea but its pretty when it crashes
[03:25] <Jucato> WillMc: #kubuntu-kde4 for instructions
[03:26] <Jucato> (doesn't crash much here except for Plasma...)
[03:26] <theFATMAN> lol
[03:26] <Jucato> besides, KDE 4's color scheme is actually light. not dark
[03:26] <Jucato> only Plasma's theme (which is separate) is dark
[03:26] <Devourer> How do I emulate EOF in Konsole?
[03:26] <mr--t> just kidding , only a couple of minor oops
[03:26] <WillMc> Thanks
[03:27] <Jucato> Devourer: you mean in a keypress?
[03:27] <NickPresta> Devourer, control+D
[03:27] <NickPresta> in bash anyways. I don't know about other shells
[03:27] <Devourer> NickPresta, thanks.
[03:28] <Mr_Pan> hi i've problem with compiz .   compiz function right but after reboot no function ..... any ideas   ^
[03:28] <HollowPoint> which version of Kubuntu are you using?
[03:28] <Mr_Pan> HollowPoint, hardy
[03:28] <HollowPoint> in console type compiz --replace &
[03:28] <HollowPoint> then reboot
[03:28] <HollowPoint> should load up again at login
[03:29] <HollowPoint> as you, not as root I might add
[03:29] <Mr_Pan> ok
[03:29] <Mr_Pan> HollowPoint, i know ...... xgl not present ......
[03:30] <Mr_Pan> nvidia driver is broken i must reintall it
[03:30] <HollowPoint> ah ok
[03:30] <HollowPoint> lol missed him
[03:30] <navetz> hey guys, can somebody help me fix my windows key?
[03:30] <HollowPoint> whats wrong with it?
[03:30] <navetz> it doesn't work
[03:31] <HollowPoint> lmfao
[03:31] <navetz> is there a way I can test if its being sent
[03:31] <HollowPoint> a little more description would be nice
[03:31] <HollowPoint> what are you trying to do with it?
[03:32] <Mr_Pan> HollowPoint, itt's ok  now
[03:32] <HollowPoint> lol cool
[03:32] <navetz> I have amarok set to switch songs when I press win + alt + n
[03:32] <HollowPoint> are you running compiz?"
[03:32] <navetz> so I want to get the windows key working again.
[03:32] <Agent_bob> navetz i have "music" set to switch songs when i press ^c
[03:33] <typedestereo> hm
[03:33] <typedestereo> adept isn't opening
[03:33] <navetz> Agent_bob: humm thats not a bad ide
[03:33] <HollowPoint> I'd suggest using a different key combination instead
[03:33] <navetz> HollowPoint: I usually run compiz but right now I am not
[03:33] <NickPresta> navetz, if you're unsure that the super key is doing anything or being detected, you could use `xev` and see that it is being recognized (and its keycode)
[03:33] <HollowPoint> ctrl c isn't the best combination to use
[03:34] <navetz> NickPresta: ok ill try it
[03:34] <HollowPoint> it's the cancel operation key combination for a lot of things so that could get confusing
[03:34] <Agent_bob> HollowPoint it's natural in the console tho.  nothing needs to be changed... :)
[03:34] <typedestereo> ...yeah, aptitude isn't launching
[03:34] <typedestereo> with this error message:
[03:34] <typedestereo> "The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem."
[03:34] <HollowPoint> lol true I suppose
[03:34] <typedestereo> (neither command helps)
[03:34] <navetz> NickPresta: I don't think its working.
[03:34] <NickPresta> typedestereo, run 'sudo apt-get update' in the Konsole then
[03:35] <Agent_bob> HollowPoint and "music" being a script i wrote for a console media player...
[03:35] <HollowPoint> nice one
[03:35] <typedestereo> with this error message for attempting apt-get update: "E: Type 'http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list"
[03:35] <typedestereo> (a mirror I tried to add to my repository)
[03:35] <navetz> NickPresta: I am pretty sure its not set up, the output when I hit the super(windows) key is different then every other key.
[03:35] <Agent_bob> pasting file /usr/local/bin/music
[03:35] <Agent_bob> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d680af4eb
[03:36] <NickPresta> typedestereo, all lines in your sources.list must be prefixed with 'deb', 'deb-src' and a couple others that let apt know that they are repositories. Post your sources.list to a pastebin
[03:36] <HollowPoint> typedestereo you'll need to remove the line from your /etc/apt/sources.list file before it will open again
[03:36] <typedestereo> what's the command for this?
[03:37] <navetz> this is what happens when I type the windows key in xev:
[03:37] <navetz> KeymapNotify event, serial 31, synthetic NO, window 0x0,
[03:37] <navetz>     keys:  0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
[03:37] <navetz>            0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
[03:37] <NickPresta> typedestereo, kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:37] <Agent_bob> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:37] <navetz> any ideas?
[03:37] <HollowPoint> nano /etc/apt/sources.list, use the arrow keys to get to the line you entered and remove it, then save the file and open apt and add the repo through the GUI
[03:37] <Agent_bob> ooops NickPresta beet me.
[03:37] <NickPresta> ;)
[03:37] <HollowPoint> and me
[03:37] <HollowPoint> :(
[03:37] <HollowPoint> I'm a failure :(
[03:37] <NickPresta> if it makes you feel better, i already had that types out before he asked how to do it
[03:37] <NickPresta> s/types/typed/
[03:38] <HollowPoint> lol
[03:38] <Agent_bob> HollowPoint yeah.  your's is not even su'd
[03:38] <HollowPoint> yeah I forget it, I'm always in su in konsole
[03:39] <HollowPoint> I use Yakuake, so when I login to KDE I bring down Yakuake, issue the su command, then put yakuake to sleep until I need it, that way when I need to do anything in console I just press F11 to bring yakuake down and I don't have to faff around remembering Sudo lol
[03:40] <HollowPoint> can be annoying when I have to fix compiz or emerald and need to NOT be su though but that's rarer than I need to edit a file as root
[03:40] <Agent_bob> console != konsole      ;/
[03:40] <Jucato> Agent_bob: I think he generally meant "do anything in a console/command line" :)
[03:40] <HollowPoint> indeed Konsole, even in Yakuake is still Konsole but I think of it as the CLi generally lol
[03:41] <HollowPoint> Jucato - You are obviously deep in my subconscious lol
[03:41] <Agent_bob> <<< pet peeve      console is that thing in ctrl+alt+f1   not that cute little window thingy that emulates a "console/terminal"
[03:42] <HollowPoint> lol I spend most of my time looking at the inside of Cisco Routers and Firewalls in "a console session" so is all the same to me
[03:43] <Jucato> Agent_bob: a real console would include the hardware though, wouldn't it? ;)
[03:43] <Agent_bob> ok!   "linux console"      picky picky....  :)))
[03:43] <HollowPoint> lol
[03:44] <prince_jammys> linux konsole
[03:44] <Agent_bob> yeah you are right though.
[03:44] <Agent_bob> that would be a "kde konsole"
[03:44] <typedestereo> ...hm
[03:44] <Agent_bob> but what evah
[03:44] <typedestereo> I've added the mirror
[03:44] <HollowPoint> wat eva!
[03:44] <HollowPoint> lol
[03:44] <typedestereo> I know the mirror has a certain file
[03:44] <typedestereo> aptitude doesn't recognise it
[03:45] <HollowPoint> what file are you trying to get?
[03:45] <typedestereo> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/all/pq/download
[03:45] <typedestereo> pq_6.2-0ubuntu2_all.deb
[03:46] <Agent_bob> HollowPoint maybe he is "hunt" for it....    (hint hint)
[03:46] <typedestereo> from mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu
[03:46] <typedestereo> I'm entering 'sudo aptitude install pq_6.2-0ubuntu2_all.deb'
[03:46] <typedestereo> entered in the sources list as 'deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu dapper main restricted
[03:46] <typedestereo> deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu dapper main restricted'
[03:47] <Agent_bob> typedestereo name too long.  try     sudo aptitude install pq"
[03:47] <Agent_bob> s/"//
[03:47] <typedestereo> no luck
[03:48] <NickPresta> typedestereo, after you download that deb file, do this: sudo dpkg -i THEDEBFILE.deb
[03:48] <typedestereo> and in the name of semantics, you're missing a definite article and an apostrophe too :P
[03:48] <HollowPoint> have you tried googling the file, downloading it and then opening it locally with debian package manager instead?
[03:49] <typedestereo> hm
[03:49] <Agent_bob> apostrophe ?
[03:49] <typedestereo> I haven't
[03:49] <HollowPoint> I would suggest that
[03:49] <NickPresta> typedestereo, after you download that deb file, do this: sudo dpkg -i THEDEBFILE.deb
[03:49] <HollowPoint> you don't even need to do that if you're in Hardy
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[03:49] <HollowPoint> just click on it, it'll open with debian package installer, may ask for your password but then it'll do it's thing
[03:49] <NickPresta> HollowPoint, you can use the gui frontend to install the deb. I prefer the text way :)
[03:50] <HollowPoint> yeah but just trying to help someone else who may not be all that familiar with console/konsole and therefore may be easier for them to use the GUI :D
[03:51] <HollowPoint> I used to use Gentoo purely on the principle that I liked doing everything manually (The hard way basically) but then I saw the light and realised I'd have much more free time if I just did it the quick and easy way
[03:52]  * Agent_bob wonders why it's considered easier to use a gui than follow a simple command line ...
[03:52] <navetz> guys is it possible to dpkg -reconfigre your keyboard somehow?
[03:52] <mr--t> the ubuntu page for that program reccomends not installing manually
[03:53] <HollowPoint> because by default it's easier to point and click than it is to type things into konsole lol
[03:53] <typedestereo> yeah, I installed the file but for some reason terminal isn't recognising it
[03:53] <mr--t> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/all/pq/download
[03:53] <HollowPoint> I still do most of my stuff (The stuff that matters that is) in CLi but for installing a package I'd normally just use the GUI
[03:54] <HollowPoint> installing with the debian installer isn't a manual install
[03:54] <Agent_bob> navetz dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -plow    used to allow for redefining the keyboard for X   but as to the console (which you probably didn't mean) it's another package.    and, i don't think the reconfig works in hardy  ;/
[03:54] <HollowPoint> unzipping all the files to their appropriate places and editing config files is a manual install
[03:54] <HollowPoint> or if you want to get really nitty gritty then compiling from source
[03:55] <HollowPoint> using the debian installer is just like using apt-get install *program* you just already have the package locally instead of downloading it from a repo
[03:55] <mr--t> ok they reccomend using aptitude
[03:55] <navetz> Agent_bob: damn I am using hardy, should I do the reconfigure -plow ?
[03:56] <HollowPoint> debian package installer IS aptitude lmao
[03:56] <Agent_bob> HollowPoint not entirely.   dpkg doesn't auto-get the deps
[03:56] <HollowPoint> the package installer does though
[03:56] <Agent_bob> navetz you can try it.   i'm not using hardy so can't say for sure
[03:56] <HollowPoint> if you download a .deb file, install it with the debian package installer (Which IS aptitude basically) then it will tell you deps are needed and then download and install them
[03:57] <Agent_bob> if you use dpkg   it will tell you that deps are needed....   ;/
[03:57] <Agent_bob> lets hear it for "dselect"
 HollowPoint not entirely.   dpkg doesn't auto-get the deps
 if you use dpkg   it will tell you that deps are needed....   ;/
[03:58] <HollowPoint> either make up your mind or be more specific cos to me that says two opposite things lol
[03:58] <Agent_bob> HollowPoint correct.    both are true.   read carefully.
[03:58] <HollowPoint> are you meaning that dpkg will tell you it needs them but won't auto-get them?
[03:59] <Agent_bob> auto-get != tell about.
[03:59] <HollowPoint> rofl
[03:59] <HollowPoint> I give up
[03:59] <HollowPoint> lol
[03:59] <HollowPoint> anyway ........ what colour would the sky be if blue didn't exist?
 are you meaning that dpkg will tell you it needs them but won't auto-get them? <<<   you win  :)
[03:59] <prince_jammys> brown
[04:00] <typedestereo> undefined
[04:00] <HollowPoint> lol
[04:00] <HollowPoint> I think it would be pink
[04:00] <prince_jammys> that's what i meant by brown
[04:00] <typedestereo> just find the exact color composition of the sky at a given location
[04:00] <typedestereo> and remove blue
[04:01] <HollowPoint> lol in a computerised sky yes
[04:01] <HollowPoint> not in chemically created sky however
[04:01] <typedestereo> I work in ideals :)
[04:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> !ot | HollowPoint
[04:01] <nubotu> HollowPoint: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:01] <HollowPoint> lol nice world you work in
[04:01] <Agent_bob> what colour would the sky be without computers ?
[04:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> and to answer your question, it would still be blue, we would just have a different name for the colour we now call "blue"
[04:01] <HollowPoint> lmfao
[04:01] <HollowPoint> nice answer
[04:02] <HollowPoint> that would probably be the answer if the question came from an IQ test
[04:02] <prince_jammys> i think the word would be 'unblue'
[04:02] <Agent_bob> o.O (sky-colour)SOD !
[04:02] <HollowPoint> it's like , if a man speaks in the woods but no woman is there to tell him he's wrong would he still make any sound?
[04:03] <prince_jammys> who knows
[04:03] <navetz> I tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -plow and I reconfigured my keyboard but my windows key still doesn't work, any ideas?
[04:04] <HollowPoint> change the sequence for next song lol
[04:04] <Agent_bob> oh. get your misquotes streight.   "if a man spoke in the woods, and there was no woman there to hear it; would he still be wrong?"
[04:04] <HollowPoint> I prefer mine
[04:05] <typedestereo> hum
[04:05] <HollowPoint> ?
[04:05] <Agent_bob> navetz you do know that xorg has to be restarted before that change takes affect?
[04:05] <Agent_bob> i suspect you do...
[04:05] <typedestereo> so I downloaded this file for a program I want to install, and it was opened by kate
[04:06] <typedestereo> which program should I open it with to initiate the installation?
[04:06] <HollowPoint> whats the file extension?
[04:06] <typedestereo> .deb
[04:06] <navetz> Agent_bob: yes I restarted xorg
[04:06] <Agent_bob> typedestereo what are you installing ?
[04:06] <HollowPoint> you in Gutsy as opposed to Hardy?
[04:06] <Agent_bob> typedestereo you did check the repos
[04:06] <HollowPoint> if so right click it and tell it to open in the debian installer
[04:06] <typedestereo> I'm actually using hardy
[04:06] <HollowPoint> strange
[04:07] <typedestereo> ...er, my mistake
[04:07] <typedestereo> feisty fawn
[04:07] <Agent_bob> typedestereo you mean you tried to dl and it opened in kate rather than dl'ing ?
[04:07] <Agent_bob> oh!
[04:07] <typedestereo> yes
[04:07] <Agent_bob> never mind
[04:08] <Agent_bob> is feisty still supported ?
[04:08] <HollowPoint> right click and open it in GDebi installer
[04:08] <Agent_bob> HollowPoint he'll have to dl it first.
[04:08] <HollowPoint> and if you tell me you've got a mac mouse I'm going to hunt you down and kill you
[04:08] <typedestereo> logitech, thanks~
[04:08] <HollowPoint> he already has I think, or did you tell it to open from download?
[04:08] <Agent_bob> second time.   "read carefully"
[04:09] <typedestereo> I have it downloaded, I need the application with which to actually install it
[04:09] <HollowPoint> lmfao
[04:09] <HollowPoint> @ Agent_bob that is sorry
[04:09] <HollowPoint> like I said typedstereo, right click and open with GDebi installer
[04:09] <charlie5> mm, envy also fails to install nvidia driver :/
[04:09] <HollowPoint> what nvidia card do you have charlie5?
[04:10] <navetz> hey guys, I just found out I have ktouch installed
[04:10] <navetz> could that be messing with my keyboard config?
[04:10] <charlie5> hi navetz ...  it's a geforce 7600 gs
[04:10] <HollowPoint> tell me what ktouch is and I'll tell you the answer
[04:10] <typedestereo> oh, stuff is happening
[04:10] <Agent_bob> HollowPoint well that's not what he said.   but yeah/
[04:10] <charlie5> oops, i mean HollowPoint, sorry
[04:10] <HollowPoint> lol I know
[04:10] <typedestereo> ...I need to set up wine?
[04:10] <typedestereo> damn.
[04:10] <navetz> charlie5: what?
[04:10] <HollowPoint> wtf you need to setup wine for this program?
[04:10] <HollowPoint> yet it's a .deb?
[04:11] <charlie5> navetz: sorry, misread nick
[04:11] <typedestereo> evidently
[04:11] <HollowPoint> whats the program supposed to do?
[04:11] <navetz> charlie5: ah ok
[04:11] <HollowPoint> charlie5 what version of Kubuntu are you running?
[04:11] <typedestereo> a desktop version of idlerpg
[04:11] <charlie5> hardy
[04:11] <charlie5> it's a fresh install
[04:11] <typedestereo> installing wine as we speak
[04:12] <HollowPoint> hmmmmmmmm
[04:12] <HollowPoint> can't remember how I installed mine in Hardy
[04:12] <HollowPoint> in Gutsy was an installer in System Settings
[04:12] <charlie5> i'm trying the old nvidia-glx, but now i get an adept packaging system error :/
[04:12]  * charlie5 is not having much luck to day ;)
[04:13]  * Agent_bob still wishes his nvidia card was supported.
[04:13] <charlie5> i guess, i can try installing the drivers from NV's site ?
[04:13] <HollowPoint> well I'm in Hardy and I have a 7600GT and I have nvidia-glx-new and nvidia-kernel-common installed and mine works fine
[04:14] <HollowPoint> use konsole and do sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new and nvidia-kernel-common
[04:14] <Agent_bob> !worksforme
[04:14] <HollowPoint> think thats how I did it
[04:14] <nubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[04:14] <charlie5> mm, well, i'll try it again and maybe get some more detailed error info ... thaks HollowPoint

[04:14] <HollowPoint> k
[04:15] <HollowPoint> thats very usefull Agent_bob
[04:15] <Agent_bob> at times.
[04:15] <Agent_bob> :)
[04:15] <HollowPoint> working as an IT engineer I tend to follow the philosophy of "If you hear elephants it's probably elephants and not iguanas"
[04:16] <HollowPoint> also meaning that if something works on one system it'll probably work on a "similar" system, it might not but thats a risk you take by asking advice of people who are not on an identical system
[04:16] <Agent_bob> having "been there, done that"  in combat situations, if you hear elephants comming.   it may be mice...
[04:16] <HollowPoint> yeah but you wouldn't assume it, stand up and get trampled on
[04:17] <HollowPoint> by combat situations I guess you mean you're a soldier of some kind?
[04:17] <NickPresta> He is a secret agent ;)
[04:17] <HollowPoint> not very secret by all accounts
[04:17] <Agent_bob> secret ?  what secret ?
[04:18] <typedestereo> how do I configure wine?
[04:18] <Agent_bob> nobody  told me.
[04:18] <NickPresta> typedestereo, winecfg
[04:20] <m0nkfish> hi
[04:20] <HollowPoint> lo
[04:21] <m0nkfish> i am having a few problems with my wireless connection (surprise surprise)
[04:21] <HollowPoint> such as?
[04:22] <typedestereo> allright, I installed wine but to run an install on a program I'm still getting a message telling me I need to install wine...
[04:22] <m0nkfish> well. i have been trying to follow various guides on getting windows wireless cards to work on ubuntu using ndiswrapper
[04:23] <typedestereo> the exact message being "dependancy is not satisfiable: wine"
[04:23] <m0nkfish> but even though i've installed the (i think) correct driver with ndiswrapper, it still can't detect the hardware
[04:23] <Agent_bob> typedestereo you are calling it as     wine /path/to/installer.exe
[04:23] <Agent_bob> ?
[04:23] <Agent_bob> oh   sorry i'm slow.
[04:23] <HollowPoint> ok, well let's start by saying most common wireless cards are supported by the latest versions of Kubuntu/Ubuntu have you definately ruled out that Kubuntu cannot install it on it's own?
[04:24] <Agent_bob> typedestereo humm    that message is from what command ?
[04:24] <HollowPoint> typedstereo a .deb program that requires wine to be installed is probably not worth the hassle to get it installed
[04:24] <typedestereo> it's from trying to use dgebi
[04:24] <typedestereo> *gdebi to install the program
[04:24] <m0nkfish> its a realtek 8187b that (according to the wiki) needs to use ndiswrapper
[04:25] <Agent_bob> typedestereo try in konsole;    sudo dpkg -i package-name.deb    and see what it says
[04:25] <HollowPoint> problem is you're on Feisty so obviously the GDebi program just isn't as up to date as it is on Gutsy and Hardy so it's not dragging in the deps, as Agent_Bob said before
[04:25] <Agent_bob> or     sudo dpkg -i /path/to/package-name.deb
[04:25] <HollowPoint> right and you've been following the wiki but it still won't install?
[04:26] <m0nkfish> yeah
[04:26] <HollowPoint> hmmmmmm
[04:26] <m0nkfish> the page is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCardsRealTek
[04:26] <HollowPoint> what version of Kubuntu are you using?
[04:26] <charlie5> hi again ... well, 'mystery' solved .. i needed Option "NoPowerConnectorCheck" in my xorg.conf, just like the erro messages told me to do
[04:26]  * charlie5 's face a little redder than usual
[04:26] <HollowPoint> lol nicely fixed charlie5
[04:27] <Agent_bob> chin up charlie5,  we all do that from time to time
[04:27] <charlie5> heh ... thanks HollowPoint ... and cheers for the help
[04:27] <HollowPoint> speak for yourself
[04:27]  * HollowPoint is perfect
[04:27] <HollowPoint> lol
[04:27] <m0nkfish> im running hardy
[04:27] <Agent_bob> i just did.   and you just lied  :)
[04:27] <HollowPoint> is it a new card then m0nkfish
[04:28] <m0nkfish> well, new with the laptop
[04:28] <HollowPoint> artistic license Agent_bob ;)
[04:28] <Agent_bob> ;/
[04:28] <HollowPoint> so it's a new laptop you're installing ubuntu on?
[04:28] <frybye> hi - in Thunderbird it is opening (e.g.) jpg- attachments with the wrong browser when I click on them.. in the settings there are no file assosiations listed at all - that area of settings is blank.. any ideas..?
[04:29] <m0nkfish> yes
[04:29] <frybye> in global standard the setting is correct = firefox...
[04:29] <HollowPoint> frybye go to Kmenu > System Settings > Default Applications and set it there
[04:29] <m0nkfish> everything else works fine
[04:29] <m0nkfish> i'm dual-booting with vista
[04:29] <frybye> Hollow - see above...
[04:29] <HollowPoint> yup got ya
[04:29] <HollowPoint> ok, I would have removed Vista rather than dual boot but ok
[04:29] <m0nkfish> :p
[04:29] <frybye> seems to be a specifically thunderbird problem.. otherwise firefox is being used...?
[04:30] <HollowPoint> I'm assuming there is a button to turn the wireless hardware on?
[04:30] <m0nkfish> yes and it is on :)
[04:30] <HollowPoint> damn
[04:30] <frybye> there is for sure a config file someplace or??#
[04:30] <m0nkfish> lol
[04:30] <m0nkfish> iwconfig doesn't detect wlan0
[04:30]  * Agent_bob reconciles with HollowPoint for one word "<HollowPoint> ok, I would have removed Vista rather than dual boot but ok"
[04:30] <HollowPoint> if you open a konsole and type lspci can you see the wireless card in th elist?
[04:31] <charlie5> sooo ... would anyone have tried kubu with xen ?
[04:31] <m0nkfish> no it's in lsusb
[04:31] <HollowPoint> it's an external usb wireless device?
[04:32] <HollowPoint> not built into the laptop?
[04:32] <m0nkfish> it's internal usb
[04:32] <frybye> so my problem in short-version: how to configure thunderbird when the built-in gui settings are not working??
[04:32] <HollowPoint> ah was just wondering that lol
[04:32] <HollowPoint> ok so is it in lsusb?
[04:33] <m0nkfish> yup
[04:33] <m0nkfish> Bus 006 Device 003: ID 0bda:8197 Realtek Semiconductor Corp
[04:33] <HollowPoint> ok
[04:34] <HollowPoint> link me to the wiki please?
[04:34] <Agent_bob> new lappy has built-in usb devices  ;/     sad state of affairs this is becomming
[04:34] <NekosolTeraDyne> !wifi
[04:34] <nubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:34] <m0nkfish> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCardsRealTek
[04:35] <m0nkfish> that page has detail on my specific driver
[04:35] <m0nkfish>  /card
[04:35] <HollowPoint> Agent_bob some of the new HP Servers have internal USB Backup Tape Drives ffs!
[04:35] <mr--t> frybye the thunderbird app will default to your kde settings see above to set defaults
[04:36] <Agent_bob> oh an actual sting ?   or plugged streight into the board ?
[04:36] <HollowPoint> nah the motherboard has a usb port on it lol
[04:36] <HollowPoint> exactly the same usb port you would see on the outside of the case
[04:36] <HollowPoint> in the middle of the motherboard
[04:36] <m0nkfish> lo
[04:36] <m0nkfish> l
[04:37] <HollowPoint> with a picture of a cartoon dog underneath it
[04:37] <HollowPoint> your card isn't in that link mate
[04:37] <HollowPoint> yours is an 8197
[04:38] <m0nkfish> shall i try the generic one
[04:38] <m0nkfish> i swear my computer told me it was 8187b
[04:38] <HollowPoint> is your laptop a toshiba?
[04:38] <m0nkfish> i mean thats the driver im using in vista
[04:39] <HollowPoint> You're not trying to use the Vista driver with NDiswrapper are you?
[04:39] <m0nkfish> the win98 driver
[04:39] <HollowPoint> hmmmmmmmmm
[04:40] <HollowPoint> I'd be more inclined to use a Windows XP driver to work with Ndiswrapper, back in the days of Win98 wireless wasn't exactly established
[04:40] <se7en> is kubuntu not compatible with normal linux
[04:40] <HollowPoint> Win XP SP1 doesn't even support wireless properly lol
[04:40] <HollowPoint> what makes you say that se7en?
[04:41] <se7en> i can't scp anything from debian to kubuntu
[04:41] <frybye> HollowPoint: using a usb-wlan-stick attached to a port -inside- the pc case is not a good idea at all - the radio signals will be 95% screened by the metal case around them (If i have understood you correctly?)
[04:41] <se7en> i get 0kb files thats all
[04:41] <Agent_bob> se7en heh.   try as root.
[04:42] <Agent_bob> sounds like you don't have perms to read
[04:42] <frybye> you can buy a little lead/adapter- thing to extend the usb-port to a small plate at the back of the pc - or a longer usb lead and just run that out the back of the pc and place the usb-wland-stick someplace higher on your desk or similar..
[04:42] <se7en> i can ssh in the kubuntu box Agent_bob
[04:42] <mr--t> monkfish http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=792092
[04:43] <se7en> just scp doesn't work
[04:43] <m0nkfish> oof thanks mrt
[04:43] <m0nkfish> that is exactly my setup (hardy and toshiba realtek)
[04:43] <Agent_bob> se7en haven't changed my mind one byte
[04:44] <Agent_bob> se7en still sounds like you don't have read permission on the source files
[04:44] <HollowPoint> frybye, I was referring to a backup Tape Device in new HP Servers not wireless usb adapters but yeah your point is none the less true lol
[04:44] <se7en> well debian root scp --> kubuntu doesn't work
[04:44] <HollowPoint> yeah you probably don't have the rights in kubuntu to actually place the file there
[04:44] <se7en> ssh to kubuntu sudo scp from debian to kubuntu doesn't work as well
[04:44] <HollowPoint> ie the place you are trying to save the file, you don't have rights to
[04:45] <HollowPoint> make sure you're logged into the console as root, THEN ssh to the Debian box and do the SCP, you might have better luck
[04:45] <mr--t> monkfish google is a wonderfull thing lol
[04:45] <mr--t> nite all
[04:45] <HollowPoint> nite mate
[04:45] <Agent_bob> se7en you do know that $USER on one box/system  may not = $USER on another.  i.e. permissions issue.  be root on both.    scp root@source.ip:file root@dest.ip:/path
[04:46] <Agent_bob> root is almost always $UID = 0
[04:46] <Agent_bob> and at any rate almost always the super user
[04:47] <HollowPoint> Kubuntu does have an annoying feature sometimes where if you try to write a file to an area you don't have permission to write to it just writes a zero file
[04:47] <se7en> Agent_bob: nop doesn't do it ... works to other debian boxes so ... only kubunutu makes problems ...
[04:48] <Agent_bob> it shouldn't even make an empty inode HollowPoint
[04:48] <Agent_bob> key word "should"
[04:48] <Agent_bob> se7en interesting.  what version ?
[04:49] <se7en> 8.04 Agent_bob
[04:49] <Agent_bob> too new for me to test.  but file a bug.
[04:49] <se7en> Agent_bob: samba has the same problem i can copy out but not in ... just checked that ... ???
[04:49] <HollowPoint> I've done scp from kubuntu to kubuntu previously
[04:50] <HollowPoint> on Hardy I mean
[04:50] <Agent_bob> i'd say it's a bug   but not sure where.
[04:51] <HollowPoint> well I'm assuming you heard about the problem with RSA keys in all Debian based systems?
[04:51] <HollowPoint> and I'm not talking about recent ones either, I'm talking about 2 years ago apparently
[04:51] <EvolElm0> afternoon all
[04:52] <HollowPoint> some dev "accidentally" removed something from the randomizer that's used to create ssl certs and rsa keys, means it's possible for someone to brute force into a system quickly
[04:52] <Agent_bob> se7en as per the origenal question.   *buntu is not actually "linux" per'se   linux is the kernel and at the kernel level one "GNU/Linux" distrobution differs very little from another.   that's not to say that ubuntu didn't/doesn't mess with the kernel too.    only saying that the problem is more likely in the GNU user land apps/configs than in the kernel.
[04:55] <jsilverman2> hello
[04:55] <Agent_bob> HollowPoint yeah i only heard bits and peaces on that.   know any quick test to see if a system is affected ?
[04:55] <jsilverman2> strigi links from konqueror shell firefox which complains that it has no protocol handler for strigi:
[04:55] <jsilverman2> how do i fix this?
[04:55] <jsilverman2> i want strigi: to shell konqueror
[04:56] <HollowPoint> ALL Debian systems are affected, only way I know of at present to fix it is uninstall ssh and re-install it by compiling it from scratch and as for ssl certs I haven't looked into fixing that as I don't have any.
[04:57] <m0nkfish> ok im getting somewhere :D
[04:57] <Agent_bob> HollowPoint "all" is a broad range.   i'm still using dapper...
[04:57] <HollowPoint> yeah you might just about be safe then, I know it happened about 2 years ago and no one knew about it until now, Dapper could be a close call, google the problem "debian based ssl issues" and see if Dapper was affected or not
[04:57] <Agent_bob> HollowPoint i know a guy using potato
[04:58] <Agent_bob> k
[04:59] <HollowPoint> see I was interested to know if Gentoo was affected or not, as it was originally Debian based, it seems when they changed to be Fedora Core based (A year or two ago I think) they also inherited the ssl stuff instead of carrying over debians
[04:59] <HollowPoint> well done m0nkfish
[04:59] <HollowPoint> how far are you getting?\
[04:59] <m0nkfish> well wlan0 now shows my card
[04:59] <HollowPoint> nice one
[04:59] <EvolElm0> this is going to be interesting.. currently attempting to get WOW working.. :S
[04:59] <HollowPoint> slightly more detailed question then, what ISN'T working? lol
[05:00] <m0nkfish> network manager still isn't giving me a list of wireless networks
[05:00] <HollowPoint> EvolElm0 I wouldn't even try without crossover, just not worth the hassle for the results you'll get
[05:00] <m0nkfish> could you do me a favour please and scroll up to find mr--t's link from earlier
[05:00] <m0nkfish> i lost the url
[05:00] <HollowPoint> what does your /etc/network/interfaces file look like
[05:00] <HollowPoint> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=792092
[05:01] <m0nkfish> er... can i paste 6 lines..?
[05:01] <m0nkfish> thanks
[05:01] <HollowPoint> just tell me whats in it
[05:01] <HollowPoint> does it detail eth0 or wlan0 at all?.
[05:01] <Odd-rationale> m0nkfish: > 3 should be in the pastebin... :)
[05:01] <EvolElm0> HollowPoint: go for a dual boot instead?
[05:01] <HollowPoint> nah, get crossover
[05:02] <EvolElm0> *googles*
[05:02] <m0nkfish> 'auto wlan0'
[05:02] <HollowPoint> I don't use WoW myself but I've heard it's hard to install unless you have crossover installed and doesn't give the results people wanted
[05:02] <m0nkfish> 'iface wlan0 inet dhcp'
[05:02] <HollowPoint> ok save a copy of the file as /etc/network/interfaces.old
[05:03] <HollowPoint> and edit the file by removing everything about wlan0, and save it as /etc/network/interfaces
[05:03] <HollowPoint> before you do that though
[05:03] <HollowPoint> you'll need to stop networking
[05:03] <HollowPoint> so /etc/init.d/networking stop
[05:03] <HollowPoint> then edit the files
[05:03] <HollowPoint> then /etc/init.d/networking start
[05:03] <m0nkfish> ok thanks :)
[05:03] <HollowPoint> then check knetworkmanager
[05:04] <EvolElm0> oh.. crossover = $40USD?
[05:04] <Agent_bob> HollowPoint between September 2006 and May 13th, 2008 may be affected.  << post dapper   :)
[05:05]  * Agent_bob goes to kick heck out of his ssh door now just to see if brute force gets in....
[05:06] <m0nkfish> right
[05:06] <m0nkfish> i removed the wlan0 stuff
[05:06] <m0nkfish> and it shows up wireless networks :D
[05:06] <HollowPoint> cool for you Agent_bob
[05:07] <m0nkfish> but i think the problem is WEP compatibility now
[05:07] <HollowPoint> WEP works fine, you might have a problem with WPA though
[05:07] <HollowPoint> yeah EvolElm0 it costs $40 USD but it's cheaper than Windows and it works well with alot of programs, I use it for MS Office for those occassions where I ABSOLUTELY HAVE to use MS Office
[05:08] <EvolElm0> fair enough.. ill put a bit more research in to it.. probably see how it runs with wine first..
[05:08] <HollowPoint> cool
[05:08] <HollowPoint> I run Star Trek Elite Force II on Wine perfectly
[05:09] <HollowPoint> I had to install it on a windows box first (God bless Virtualbox so I don't actually have to run windows) and then copy the installation over to wine
[05:09] <HollowPoint> then made a couple of changes in regedit using Wine and it works lovelly
[05:09] <EvolElm0> dont really wanna slice up one of the TB drives to half windows/nix
[05:09] <HollowPoint> like I said
[05:09] <HollowPoint> Virtualbox matey
[05:09] <HollowPoint> it's in the repos
[05:09] <tuxwulf> HollowPoint: ST Elite Force is a heavy game?
[05:09] <m0nkfish> ok gonna try out my WEP network
[05:09] <Agent_bob> anyway to get "dpmi" in wine ?
[05:10] <HollowPoint> reasonably heavy tuxwulf year
[05:10] <HollowPoint> it's an FPS game
[05:10] <HollowPoint> ok m0nkfish
[05:10] <HollowPoint> dpmi?
[05:10] <Agent_bob> dos protected mode interface
[05:10] <Agent_bob> interface ?
[05:11] <Agent_bob> not sure about the last word
[05:11] <m0nkfish> yeah still having problems connecting :(
[05:11] <tuxwulf> HollowPoint:  Cool...  Must try such things.. switch is easily made...
[05:11] <m0nkfish> the networks show up fine
[05:11] <Agent_bob> the older model "command prompt"
[05:11] <m0nkfish> and i can actually 'connect' to mine
[05:12] <m0nkfish> but can't load web pages or make irc connections etc
[05:12] <Agent_bob> need to find the source to the C64 "red storm rising" and port it to linux ;/
[05:13] <HollowPoint> you should probably try rebooting the PC with the cable unplugged mate, mess about with it for ten minutes to see if you can sort it using knetworkmanager, then come back and tell us, if you can't get it working reboot again with the cable plugged in
[05:13] <m0nkfish> will do
[05:13] <m0nkfish> ta
[05:13] <HollowPoint> it is possible to do it without rebooting but it's the quickest easiest way for me to get you to do it lol
[05:13] <HollowPoint> I play Paperboy on linux
[05:13] <HollowPoint> ported from C64 to Windows and play it in Wine :D
[05:13]  * Agent_bob </knods?
[05:13] <Agent_bob> >
[05:13] <HollowPoint> god I'm a geek
[05:14] <tuxwulf> HollowPoint: ... go with the feeling, it's a good thing...
[05:14] <Agent_bob> i have rsr ported to dos  but it doesn't work in qemu + win9x   nor normal wine
[05:15] <aobo> Hi
[05:15] <Agent_bob> it runs in qemu  but the timming is normalx40k
[05:15] <aobo> Can i please get some help with scp command?
[05:15] <aobo> im trying to download a file from remote server to my computer
[05:15] <HollowPoint> what help do you need?
[05:15] <HollowPoint> you using Hardy?
[05:15] <aobo> no...
[05:15] <aobo> just normal scp
[05:16] <HollowPoint> no as in Kubuntu Hardy Heron?
[05:16] <aobo> scp yourname@yourserver:desktop/assi3
[05:16] <aobo> doesnt work
[05:16] <aobo> well i m not sure...
[05:16] <aobo> never heard of it
[05:16] <Agent_bob> aobo scp user@ip.address:/path/to/file dest-user@dest-ip.address:/path/to/dest
[05:16] <HollowPoint> you are in Linux?
[05:16] <aobo> yeah
[05:16] <HollowPoint> what version of Linux?
[05:17] <HollowPoint> are you wireless monkfish?
[05:17] <aobo> kubuntu
[05:17] <monkfish> its...
[05:17] <aobo> no.
[05:17] <monkfish> its working...
[05:17] <HollowPoint> lmfao
[05:17] <monkfish> i dont understand how lol
[05:17] <HollowPoint> nice one monkfish
[05:17] <HollowPoint> I telepathically made it work
[05:17] <monkfish> im on WPA
[05:18] <aobo> agent bob. i tried that
[05:18] <HollowPoint> aobo when did you install kubuntu?
[05:18] <aobo> ssh: aobo-desktop: Name or service not known
[05:18] <aobo> lost connection
[05:18] <monkfish> thanks for all your help HollowPoint
[05:18] <aobo> a while ago.
[05:18] <HollowPoint> np monk
[05:18] <Agent_bob> aobo you may be experancing the latest *buntu bug.
[05:18] <aobo> argh!!!!!!!!
[05:18] <HollowPoint> so you're not able to ssh to the machine you're trying to copy from?
[05:18] <aobo> nope
[05:18] <HollowPoint> that could be the start of the problem lol
[05:19] <aobo> this assignment is due in like a few hours and i left the files at school
[05:19] <aobo> :S
[05:19] <Boohbah> aobo: aobo-desktop is NOT an IP address
[05:19] <aobo> oh
[05:19] <Agent_bob> aobo you have to be able to ssh in to use scp
[05:19] <Boohbah> aobo: unless you have DNS or hosts setup it will not resolve
[05:19] <aobo> i did ssh in
[05:19] <aobo> i can look at al the files
[05:20] <HollowPoint> Anyone else confused now?
[05:20] <aobo> lol
[05:20] <Agent_bob> aobo use the same address for scp that you did for ssh
[05:20] <aobo> i did...
[05:20] <EvolElm0> what programming tools do we all use?
[05:20] <HollowPoint> do you have a VPN to the school?
[05:20] <monkfish> kate :)
[05:20] <Boohbah> EvolElm0: the ones for the task at hand
[05:20] <aobo> :S i have no idea
[05:20] <HollowPoint> nano :D
[05:20] <Agent_bob> aobo if ssh works and scp only makes empty files   it's a known bug i think.
[05:20] <aobo> all im trying to do is download a few files from school to my computer. i have established the connection
[05:20] <frogonwheels> vim
[05:20] <Boohbah> vim
[05:21] <Boohbah> gcc
[05:21] <aobo> upload works though
[05:21] <aobo> i can upload files
[05:21] <Boohbah> gdb
[05:21] <frogonwheels> I use vim on windoze with delphi :)
[05:21] <HollowPoint> you can scp TO the machine but not from?
[05:21] <aobo> if that means uploading to school server but not download ... then yes
[05:21] <Agent_bob> aobo open konqueror and use     fish://source-ip.address:/         < translate the address of course
[05:21] <aobo> ahhh
[05:22] <Boohbah> aobo: have you thought about firewalls? they could be filtering port 22
[05:22] <aobo> :S all these technical stuff lol
[05:22] <Boohbah> aobo: what did you expect? you're using linux
[05:23] <Agent_bob> fish in konq is sweet
[05:23] <aobo> fish doesnt work
[05:23] <Boohbah> aobo: you fail
[05:23] <Agent_bob> if you can ssh in you should be able to fish in
[05:23] <aobo> or... i can just try figure out whats wrong with my assignment
[05:23] <aobo> then upload it ...
[05:23] <aobo> stupid java
[05:23] <aobo> :(
[05:23] <aobo> code looks fine
[05:23] <aobo> but nothing come out
[05:24] <Agent_bob> or maybe    fish://user@address    i think that works too
[05:25] <aobo> nope.
[05:26] <Agent_bob> aobo heh.  wait.    you can ssh in, and look at the code ?   you have it locally then  just do     ssh user@address cat file > file
[05:27] <Agent_bob> the redirrect will be local because it's the terminal that is being redirrected not the remote shell
[05:27] <aobo> @_@
[05:27] <Agent_bob> ;/
[05:27] <aobo> hmm
[05:27] <aobo> tell me how to open a java file in kate?
[05:27] <aobo> :S
[05:27] <aobo> i have files there and i need to look at them
[05:28] <aobo> kate *.java?
[05:28] <Agent_bob> yep
[05:28] <HollowPoint> nano Roxorz
[05:28] <Agent_bob> but kdevelop would probobably be better
[05:28] <aobo> partch:~/Desktop/assi3> kate Cell.java
[05:28] <aobo> kate: cannot connect to X server
[05:29] <aobo> :S
[05:29] <Agent_bob> aobo heh   get it local   like i said.
[05:30] <Agent_bob> exit the ssh shell   and run  the same ssh command but add     cat /path/to/file.java > file.java      to the end of it,  and open with anything you want.
[05:31] <HollowPoint> so lemme get this straight, you're using linux at home, you're using linux at school, you know how to ssh and scp and you're writing something in Java using a text editor, yet you're asking us for help?
[05:31] <EvolElm0> test
[05:32] <EvolElm0> i can see!
[05:32] <HollowPoint> you can?
[05:32] <aobo> yes...
[05:32] <HollowPoint> wickid
[05:32] <HollowPoint> what were you testing?
[05:32] <aobo> come on its Uni
[05:32] <aobo> i barely pulled the java out of my butt
[05:32] <EvolElm0> new res and new refrest rate.. heh
[05:32] <EvolElm0> but i lost my 2nd moniter..
[05:32] <HollowPoint> aaaaaaaaaaah
[05:32] <HollowPoint> lol
[05:32] <HollowPoint> what are you using to configure the monitors and res?
[05:32] <HollowPoint> randr?
[05:32] <EvolElm0> twinview
[05:33] <HollowPoint> cool, same as me
[05:33] <aobo> ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>cat Desktop/assi3/Cell.java > Cell.java
[05:33] <aobo> okay thats what i typed in
[05:33] <HollowPoint> have to use randr on my laptop cos it doesn't have an nvidia card :(
[05:33] <aobo> asked for pwd and i entered it and nothing happened
[05:33] <Agent_bob> aobo good.  now open the file you just copied to your $PWD
[05:34] <HollowPoint> when you edited the new res did you edit xorg.conf directly or did you use the gui in Kubuntu?\
[05:34] <aobo> there is no file.
[05:34] <aobo> Cell.java is no where to be seen on my computer... where would it be?
[05:34] <Agent_bob> $PWD
[05:34] <Agent_bob> echo $PWD    will expand that for you
[05:35] <aobo> im really lost...
[05:35] <EvolElm0> used the gui.. saved it..
[05:35] <frybye> Hi - whats the best app to use to put an image of the system onto a neighbouring pc??
[05:35] <aobo> what does cat do again?
[05:36] <HollowPoint> there's your mistake, DON'T use the gui
[05:36] <frybye> to use for recovery if necessary...? (assuming that on then boots with a live cd to restore?)
[05:36] <Agent_bob> aobo   man cat      in short same as dos "type"
[05:36] <EvolElm0> HollowPoint: really?
[05:36] <HollowPoint> frybye there's a program called shadow protect but it's not open source or free
[05:37] <funcrush> kwin doesn't start at boot after I updated. How can I fix?
[05:37] <HollowPoint> yeah GUI will F**K your xorg.conf
[05:37] <HollowPoint> it's broked!
[05:37] <EvolElm0> ah rite
[05:37] <Odd-rationale> dd might work in a hitch...
[05:37] <frybye> HollowPoint: and something that is open source/free??
[05:37] <HollowPoint> I used something the other day and can't rightly remember what it was now, basically ghosted an entire drive image into a file
[05:38] <HollowPoint> google linux file recovery
[05:38] <Agent_bob> frybye dd is a linux standard for that purpose
[05:38] <frybye> HollowPoint: using the kubuntu-live cd to restore?
[05:38] <HollowPoint> yeah think it was dd
[05:38] <EvolElm0> HollowPoint: same deal if ur using ubuntu?
[05:38] <frybye> ok.. tks.. I will go look...
[05:38] <Agent_bob> frybye tar is what i would reccomend tho
[05:38] <aobo> im gonna kill myself
[05:38] <aobo> :(
[05:38] <HollowPoint> as far as I know EvolElm0 yeah
[05:38] <Odd-rationale> frybye: there was something along those line in this issue of the fullcirclemagazine: http://fullcirclemagazine.org/2008/04/24/one-year-of-full-circle/
[05:38] <frybye> Agent_bob: something not too complicated to use..
[05:39] <HollowPoint> right I'm off out to the shop for a bit, back later
[05:39] <EvolElm0> so how do i edit that file? never done it before
[05:39] <HollowPoint_AwY> nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:40] <HollowPoint_AwY> but I would google it
[05:40] <HollowPoint_AwY> google "twinview dual monitors xorg.conf"
[05:40] <HollowPoint_AwY> takes some playing with but there are plenty of tutorials out there
[05:41] <EvolElm0> cool thx
[05:42] <Agent_bob> frybye tar     like this maybe.       from the remote machine,     ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>tar  -lczf - / > backup-ipaddress.tar.gz                simple enough for me.  </shrugs>
[05:44] <Agent_bob> one could even pipe that back into tar and have it extract locally....             | tar -xf - -C /ipaddress/storage/root/dir
[05:45] <axel> Hello! After unsuccessfully trying the 3D-effects in Hardy the [Alt]+[Tab]-behaviour changed. Before the test of the effects a little window was displayed in the center of the screen providing information about the window which would open if the [Alt]-key was released. Now, after the test, holding [Alt] and pressing [tab] windows get the active status. How to get the old behavior back?
[05:47] <Agent_bob> axel delete the home config that changed.   but i can't tell you which one that was, only that it's probably in ~/.kde*/share/<somewhere>
[05:48] <Agent_bob> find ~/.kde*        -amin n
[05:48] <Agent_bob>               File was last accessed n minutes ago.
[05:49] <Agent_bob> find ~/.kde* -amin 20       if it was within 20 minutes you did the testing...
[05:49] <axel> Agent_bob: Thanks. The Problem is that the test took place some hours ago and I have worked in the meantime.
[05:49] <frybye> Odd-rationale: the method using partimage in the magazine is rather complex for a newbie - I have acronis live image here but it seems to take forever to resolve the local network and -see- the other pc - any tips on fixing that??
[05:50] <Agent_bob> so use        -cmin n
[05:50] <Agent_bob>               File's status was last changed n minutes ago.
[05:51] <frybye> agent bob - what you are suggesting if perhaps simple for a person with some degree of background linux knowledge- which i am only just starting on...
[05:51] <Agent_bob> no  -amin would still be better    but you know that 600 minutes = 10 hours
[05:51] <frybye> perhaps someone knows a trick to get acronis to resolve the netwsork a bit faster...?
[05:52] <frybye> is sometimes seems to take either -forever- or fails completly...
[05:52] <krapper> hi. After changing the graphics card in the Display Settings, kubuntu fails to boot. I can get into recovery mode. How can I fix this?
[05:52] <Agent_bob> frybye ok.  sorry for any confusion.
[05:52] <Odd-rationale> frybye: i never used acronis. sorry...
[05:53] <axel> Agent_bob: Nothing worked.
[05:53] <frybye> Odd-rationale: when it works it is fine..(is also just a spec. linux system of course..)
[05:53] <frogonwheels> krapper: assuming by 'fails to boot'  you mean kdm doesn't start up?
[05:53] <krapper> frogonwheels: yup
[05:53] <frybye> ok - I will try again with acronis - the other stuff here is beyond me a bit for the moment...
[05:53] <frogonwheels> krapper:   dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:53] <frogonwheels> possibly will reset.
[05:54] <frogonwheels> I've found that the graphics card display settings editor is worse than useless.
[05:54] <krapper> frogonwheels: are you sure that will work? my version of kubuntu is pretty old.
[05:54] <krapper> the version before Feisty Fawn, i think
[05:54] <frogonwheels> krapper:  that will go through the promts and set up a default xorg.conf
[05:54] <Agent_bob> axel ?    as in ?    find didn't find a file ?    deleting the file didn't change anything ? (restart of kde required "ctrl+alt+backspace")    all of the above ???
[05:55] <frogonwheels> that's been round since b4 ubuntu
[05:55] <krapper> frogonwheels: oh, ok. Thanks a million!
[05:55] <axel> find /home/axel/.kde* -amin 1200
[05:55] <axel> find: /home/axel/.kde/share/apps/kvpnc: Permission denied
[05:55]  * krapper hugs frogonwheels and gets back to the stuff
[05:56] <axel> Agent_bob: I performed also a restart since testing
[05:56] <axel> Agent_bob: I did not even find a file.
[05:56] <Agent_bob> axel ummm  did you by any chance "install" things and test ?
[05:57] <navetz> hey can anyone here please help me get my windows key working agiain. I messed up something with my keyboard settings and now the key is not working, please help
[05:57] <axel> Agent_bob: I had to install the Compiz-engine.
[05:58] <Agent_bob> axel ok.   i'm not sure what that package "might have" removed or over writen.   you better ask in the compiz channel seeing that the change was not in your home dir.
[05:58] <axel> Agent_bob: K-Menue > System > Desktop Effects
[05:58] <Agent_bob> !compiz
[05:58] <nubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[05:59] <axel> Agent_bob: then I clicked on the button install.
[05:59] <Agent_bob>                   ^
[05:59] <Agent_bob> out of my scope.
[06:00] <arcl> holding ALT, using the mouse to move the window.
[06:00] <axel> Agent_bob, nubotu: Thanks.
[06:00] <Agent_bob> sorry axel, thought you only had a config issue.   have to hand you off to a dev on that one.
[06:01] <Agent_bob> welcome
[06:02] <Agent_bob> arcl and ?
[06:05] <Agent_bob> ifconfig -a   yelds an  sit0   what is that interface ?
[06:07] <Agent_bob> !wifi
[06:07] <nubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:08] <Agent_bob> atheros    hard / easy to get working ?
[06:08] <axel> Agent_bob: There was one single checkbox to activate.
[06:09] <Agent_bob> axel ah where ?
[06:09] <axel> Agent_bob: System Settings > Window Behaviour > Window "features" > the first one in "navigation"
[06:09] <Agent_bob> cool.
[06:09]  * Agent_bob notes
[06:11] <axel> Agent_bob: I saw this earlier but I did not think that this checkbox would have that effect.
[06:11] <axel> Agent_bob: Thanks again for your help.
[06:11] <Agent_bob> welcome.
[06:13] <millak> hey, I'm having trouble compiling kxdocker
[06:13] <millak> says "configure: error: C compiler canot create executables"
[06:14] <Agent_bob> install "build-essential"
[06:14] <Agent_bob> !b-e
[06:14] <nubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[06:14] <millak> Oh right, thank you
[06:15] <Agent_bob> welcome.
[06:16] <millak> hm, another problem, but I'll take a look at that help file first .)
[06:16]  * Agent_bob wonders where millak's other eye is o.O
[06:18] <millak> No, couldn't find help from that file for this: now it says "Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!"
[06:19] <millak> What are "X includes" anyways?
[06:20] <Snowman108> I just upgraded and I used to be able to use xcall now it seems to be gone...anyone know whats up?
[06:20] <Snowman108> Listen also
[06:20] <Agent_bob> probably a package named xorg-dev   or some such.   apt-cache search "X includes"   might know.   sudo apt-get install <packagename>   should grab it .
[06:20] <Agent_bob> @ millak   ^
[06:21] <Agent_bob> millak general rule of thumb when compiling,   "headers/includes/..." normally means some -dev package
[06:22] <Agent_bob> Snowman108 not a kloo here.
[06:23] <millak> right... so when it doesn't find Qt headers that means that I need a qt-dev package of some sort
[06:23] <Snowman108> this sucks... looks like I may have to go back to 7.4
[06:25] <Agent_bob> millak yep
[06:26] <Daisuke_Ido> Snowman108: what's xcall
[06:26] <Agent_bob> !info xcall
[06:26] <nubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about info xcall, try looking on http://stdin.me.uk/bot/factoids.cgi
[06:28] <Agent_bob> the wiki says atheros works oob ?   how far back can one expect that to hold true ???  dapper even ?
[06:29] <Snowman108> it is used whith node to call another node or packet station  (amature radio)
[06:29] <Freethinker_AU> I read I can install Kubuntu Hardy Heron as an application through Windows, then uninstall if I don't like the program. Can Kubuntu Hardy Heron still be uninstalled if I installed it to a separate hard drive?
[06:29] <Snowman108> Listen would listen on all the ports to moitor all the traffic
[06:30] <Agent_bob> !wubi
[06:30] <nubotu> Wubi is an Ubuntu installer for Windows users that allows you to install and uninstall Ubuntu like a Windows application, in a simple and safe way. http://wubi-installer.org/support.php for troubleshooting. Please file bugs at http://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug.
[06:30] <Agent_bob> Freethinker_AU ^
[06:30] <Daisuke_Ido> Agent_bob: depends on how long madwifi's been included
[06:30] <Agent_bob> Freethinker_AU short answer is "yes"
[06:31] <HollowPoint> you can install Hardy Heron along side Windows anyway as a dualboot system and grub automatically configures to boot Windows as well, removing it is also possible but you have to do a fix mbr in windows setup after removing the Linux Partitions
[06:31] <Freethinker_AU> Ty Agent_bob I am very grateful for your answer
[06:31] <Agent_bob> Daisuke_Ido ?    madwifi ?    is that a package ?
[06:31] <Daisuke_Ido> HollowPoint: and that's why there's wubi - a lot of people don't feel comfortable taking what they perceive to be that large of a risk with their pc
[06:31] <Freethinker_AU> Ty HollowPoint
[06:31] <Daisuke_Ido> !madwifi
[06:32] <nubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:32] <Agent_bob> ;/
[06:32] <Agent_bob> !info madwifi
[06:32] <nubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about info madwifi, try looking on http://stdin.me.uk/bot/factoids.cgi
[06:32] <tuxwulf> HollowPoint: YOU seem quite knowledgable in Kubuntu eh... With Heron, how come I can install from alt CD but after install and restart, screen stays dark? Or rather, what can I do about it to make it work?
[06:34] <HollowPoint> why do you want to install from the alt cd?
[06:34] <Agent_bob> tuxwulf i know that wasn't addressed to me.  but that sounds like a kernel framebuffer & xorg module conflict     simple answer is stop using boot splash and make sure xorg is configured correctly.   or.   use vesa as the xorg driver.
[06:35] <HollowPoint> or install from the standard installer cd and then edit your installation once it's installed
[06:35] <Agent_bob> HollowPoint because it's a commong issue that many can not get the gui up in the live CD
[06:35] <HollowPoint> unless there's a specific reason for installing from the alt cd
[06:36] <HollowPoint> that seems odd, any idea which graphics chipset that problem is with?
[06:36] <Agent_bob> ati mostely
[06:36] <HollowPoint> surprise
[06:36] <HollowPoint> NOT!
[06:37] <Agent_bob> sometimes a "noacpi" at boot of the live CD will work around it.
[06:37] <Freethinker_AU> Ty all for your help
[06:37] <HollowPoint> never had a problem with the live cd tbh on ati, intel or nvidia chipsets but I haven't used every single model of each chipset obviously
[06:37] <Agent_bob> but a lappy with acpi permanantly disabled is not reasonable.
[06:37] <HollowPoint> didn't realise was such a common problem
[06:38] <tuxwulf> Agent_bob: HollowPoint > Correct, the live CD does not start up, screen stays blank. ATI chipset.
[06:38] <Agent_bob> i've seen it many times.    and up close and personal too
[06:38] <HollowPoint> hmmmmmm
[06:39] <HollowPoint> do you even get the kubuntu boot screen where you have an option of installing in different methods?
[06:39] <tuxwulf> So I downloaded the alt CD, install works ok, no errors, just afterwards, screen stays blank.
[06:40] <Agent_bob> HollowPoint yes   and the splash works up to start of xorg   then  black screen of *buntu
[06:40] <tuxwulf> I therefore am forced to use text installer, andf that goes well. But .. I can not really remember well if the installer ever asks me to configure x-settigns myself
[06:40] <tuxwulf> I suppose I have to start the installer with some options
[06:40] <Agent_bob> HollowPoint and you can't switch back to a console   the vidio chip is in some wierd mode that leaves you in the dark until hard reset.
[06:41] <HollowPoint> ok well while the splash screen is running you should be able to press alt ctrl f1 and get into a console session, at which point you can re-configure X
[06:41] <Agent_bob> HollowPoint not enough time   when xorg starts, it's lights out.
[06:41] <HollowPoint> nah WHILE the splash screen is running
[06:42] <Agent_bob> there is no console durring that....
[06:42] <Agent_bob> try it.   the live CD is not quite like the installed system
[06:43] <HollowPoint> yeah there is, the splash screen is just hiding the text which in some other linux installations would be showing you what was being loaded, just wait till it gets about 3/4 of the way through and hit ctrl alt f1
[06:43] <Agent_bob> or do you mean the "grub" shell ?
[06:43] <HollowPoint> neither
[06:43] <Agent_bob> you can't configure xorg from there...
[06:43] <tuxwulf> Spalsh screen... like when that cylon light is running to and fro?
[06:43] <HollowPoint> I mean after install
[06:43] <HollowPoint> ie you install from the alt cd
[06:43] <HollowPoint> then reboot
[06:43] <HollowPoint> then during Kubuntu splash screen where the progress bar is going accross at about 3/4 you should be able to get into console
[06:44] <Agent_bob> right.   i'm with that.    and like i said.   stop using splash so the vidio doesn't go into fb mode will usually fix it.
[06:45] <tuxwulf> WHoa... not one but two knowledgables here...
[06:45] <tuxwulf> thanks!
[06:45] <tuxwulf> I will try and let you know.. may not be this evening though
[06:45] <Agent_bob> i simply boot with vga=normal nosplash     and violah   but that doesn't word with all hw.
[06:46] <Agent_bob> tuxwulf there are details on the web about this issue too.  you can check with google about it too.
[06:47] <Agent_bob> s/word/work/     i don't know why the d and k get so confused on my kbd
[06:48] <Agent_bob> and h and n do that too
[06:48] <Agent_bob> i'm not lysdexic.  really i'm not.
[06:49] <HollowPoint> nah mate its your keyboard
[06:50] <HollowPoint> mine does it from time to time too
[06:50] <HollowPoint> like it tries to teach me a lesson when I'm pissed and stuff
[06:50] <Agent_bob> :)
[06:50] <Agent_bob> ^5
[06:50] <millak> huu, I got kxdocker compiled! But I don't see a way to configure it...
[06:50] <HollowPoint> no idea, never used it sorry
[06:51] <millak> oh dear
[06:51] <Agent_bob> would madwifi be in the restricted area ?
[06:51] <millak> I'm also open to recommendations on a different program that does roughly the same thing...
[06:52] <HollowPoint> what does it do?
[06:52] <Agent_bob> what kind of crippled bot is this nubotu anyway ?     !info doesn't work
[06:53] <bazhang_> not til monday
[06:53] <HollowPoint> lmao
[06:53] <Agent_bob> it is monday !
[06:53] <bazhang_> db being brought online from crashed server
[06:53] <just-this-time> \o
[06:53] <just-this-time> Failed to startup volume : No such file or directory
[06:53] <just-this-time> Volume is corrupt. You should run chkdsk.
[06:53] <Agent_bob> well not in some far west tz maybe...
[06:54] <just-this-time> any cnance to repair an ntfs of vista from within kubuntu?
[06:54] <just-this-time> vista repari itself failed
[06:54] <just-this-time> also trying to backup broken vista install
[06:55] <HollowPoint> I'm in NZ it's nearly Tuesday for me
[06:55] <Agent_bob> just-this-time can you boot to the recovery console ?     run chkdsk like it says
[06:55] <just-this-time> Agent_bob: ty
[06:55] <simula> is there any way to get the system clock on AM/PM time rather than military 24 hour time?  (KDE 4 remix - kubuntu 8.04)
[06:56] <Agent_bob> just-this-time also there is a windows channel here    #windows   you might get help there
[06:56] <Agent_bob> simula right click it and configure ?
[06:57] <just-this-time> well now it is vista issue sorry, visat does some tries to repair which apparently failed, this kubuntu here is on same sda drive on neosmart boot
[06:57] <Agent_bob> i think it's in the lang& section
[06:57] <simula> agent_bob... there is no such option in the dialog provided :/
[06:57] <simula> kde 4 and all
[06:57] <just-this-time> yep Agent_bob ##WINDOWS will check
[06:57] <HollowPoint> just-this-time you can run chkdsk from inside windows in the cli, no need for recovery console, just go into cmd and run chkdsk /? it'll tell you how to force the drive to unmount before the check runs and then you'll have to reboot, it'll do the check as it boots.
[06:58] <Agent_bob> simula ah kde4  that's out of my scope too.   and there is a channel for that
[06:58] <Agent_bob> !kde4
[06:58] <just-this-time> HollowPoint: ty vista not booting , trying endlessly to repair
[06:58] <nubotu> KDE 4.0.3 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.3.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[06:58] <simula> thank you sir
[06:58] <HollowPoint> ah ok
[06:58] <just-this-time> while kubunut alive and well , ha
[06:59] <HollowPoint> in that case just do as Agent_bob said
[06:59] <HollowPoint> boot to recovery console using windows disk
[06:59] <HollowPoint> preferrably Win XP disk tbh
[06:59] <HollowPoint> then while in recovery console run chkdsk
[06:59] <just-this-time> ah burn a windows recovery boot?
[06:59] <HollowPoint> nooooooooooooooo
[06:59] <HollowPoint> windows install disk
[07:00] <HollowPoint> watch the bottom of the screen as it loads files and it'll ask you to press a button to enter recovery console
[07:00]  * Agent_bob points at ##windows again and taps fingure nails on desk...
[07:01] <just-this-time> dont make me laugh HollowPoint tis vista, they sold so called oem having only an on partition recovery which overwrites vista partition
[07:01] <just-this-time> Agent_bob: NP
[07:01] <just-this-time> was with HollowPoint
[07:01] <HollowPoint> if not once it's booted to the installer you'll have an option to repair an existing windows installation
[07:01] <just-this-time> seee?
[07:01] <HollowPoint> lol I'm a Senior Windows Engineer
[07:01] <just-this-time> bye for now
[07:02] <HollowPoint> see ya

[07:02] <HollowPoint> what does that mean?
[07:02] <jussi01> !ot
[07:02] <nubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[07:03]  * HollowPoint demands to know what </click...click...click> means
[07:03]  * Agent_bob points at ##windows again and taps fingure nails on desk...
[07:03] <HollowPoint> lmao
[07:03] <HollowPoint> he's gone
[07:04] <Agent_bob> closing html tag </*>   or xml or what ever.
[07:04] <HollowPoint> ah ok
[07:05] <HollowPoint> theFATMAN is back!
[07:05] <tuxwulf> !dolphin |tuxwulf
[07:05] <Agent_bob> you senior developers types....   i sware.        :)
[07:05] <HollowPoint> nah not a dev
[07:05] <HollowPoint> am an I.T. engineer mate
[07:06] <theFATMAN> HollowPoint: lol, how are ya, mate?
[07:06] <HollowPoint> I work with Windows, Linux, Cisco etc fixing things that break and setting up new systems/networks
[07:06]  * jussi01 points at #kubuntu-offtopic
[07:06] <HollowPoint> not bad theFATMAN yourself?
[07:06] <theFATMAN> nice, i'm studying for a lowly A+ now
[07:06] <theFATMAN> i'm good
[07:07]  * HollowPoint asks jussi01 why he pointed at a channel I don't want to go to
[07:07] <theFATMAN> looking forward to being a regular old pc tech 1 day
[07:07] <HollowPoint> you won't stay as one for long mate
[07:07] <jussi01> HollowPoint: Please keep this channel free for support discussion - #kubuntu-offtopic for general chat
[07:08] <HollowPoint> support discussion like I've been doing for about 6 hours you mean? ok will do
[07:08] <just-this-time> try not to burnout ;-)
[07:08] <theFATMAN> so, got a question (again, wow) i have went from ubuntu to kubuntu and went pure kde, my login screen is still ubuntu, how do i change that?
[07:08] <HollowPoint> install kdm
[07:08] <just-this-time> also
[07:08] <just-this-time> !alternatives
[07:09] <nubotu> To change the default applications system-wide, use 'sudo update-alternatives --all' in a terminal.
[07:09] <theFATMAN> mutha! i knew it, i thought that, but in ubuntu channel i was told it wasnt necessary
[07:09] <HollowPoint> I won't burn out just-this-time I've got today off as a holiday for the queens birthday or anniversary or something, so thought I'd log in here and try to be of use
[07:09] <Agent_bob> theFATMAN umm maybe kubuntu-artwork package too ?
[07:09] <theFATMAN> .............
[07:09] <HollowPoint> yeah
[07:09] <HollowPoint> although technically not needed
[07:10] <theFATMAN> checking.........
[07:10] <HollowPoint> has your splash changed?
[07:10] <theFATMAN> yep i have it, and yeah the splash has changed
[07:10] <HollowPoint> cool
[07:10] <Agent_bob> k just checking.
[07:10] <HollowPoint> well install kdm and that should do it I think with Hardy
[07:10] <HollowPoint> should work in Gutsy too
[07:10] <just-this-time> wish me luck with that vista rubbish, thought I couled reach mount, backup from kubuntu
[07:11] <HollowPoint> previous versions/older versions of xorg would require you to change your login manager in the config file
[07:11] <HollowPoint> just-this-time
[07:11] <Agent_bob> gdm doesn't depend on gnome though.     errr does it ?
[07:11] <HollowPoint> I have a tip for you
[07:11] <theFATMAN> but not the login, ok, for sure, yeah i'm using hardy, ummm...how do i just do a custom login screen? i mean install it
[07:11] <HollowPoint> no it doesn't Agent_bob
[07:11] <just-this-time> btw what imaging softwareto take broken vista volume to a file
[07:11] <HollowPoint> just-this-time you want my tip?
[07:11] <HollowPoint> install kdm and then kdm-theme
[07:11] <just-this-time> depends
[07:12] <HollowPoint> when kdm-theme doesn't work come back and ask me how to get your new login screen to work :D
[07:12] <just-this-time> on tip
[07:12] <HollowPoint> remove vista and just run Linux :D
[07:12] <HollowPoint> you'll have LESS headaches
[07:12] <just-this-time> I kenew it
[07:12] <HollowPoint> anyone spot the pun there?
[07:12] <theFATMAN> ahhhh......lol, dude, i will be on here, and i agree with Hollow....vista blows
[07:12] <tuxwulf> Pun?
[07:13] <HollowPoint> or punn
[07:13] <HollowPoint> don't know how you spell it
[07:13] <just-this-time> tis a customers PC i will send him to you , HollowPoint yo convince him to use ubunut and send him to do some reading like we all do ;-)
[07:13] <HollowPoint> using linux you lol
[07:13] <HollowPoint> meh lol
[07:13] <HollowPoint> using linux you will have LESS headaches
[07:14] <tuxwulf> ubunut... like peanut, walnut, coconut?
[07:14] <HollowPoint> no one get it:/
[07:14] <HollowPoint> ?
[07:14] <tuxwulf> HollowPoint:  ... I admit... I missed it... what's your pun?
[07:14] <HollowPoint> my boss doesn't like me using Kubuntu so he calls it Kubutno
[07:14] <just-this-time> xp has sp3 and that makes vista still useless
[07:14] <theFATMAN> i have kdm installed, what would the cmd be?
[07:14] <theFATMAN> to reconfigure
[07:14] <HollowPoint> well try rebooting, see if kdm is your login screen or not
[07:14] <just-this-time> your boss will end up firing you :-
[07:15] <jussi01> sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[07:15] <HollowPoint> nah I hope not
[07:15] <Agent_bob> theFATMAN just remove gdm now.
[07:15] <HollowPoint> that'll work too but shouldn't really need to
[07:15] <tuxwulf> Now I still do not get the pun...
[07:15] <Agent_bob> kdm will take over
[07:15] <theFATMAN> jussi01: thanks and Agent_bob: i dont like your tone.....lol
[07:15] <tuxwulf> a darn I been in thSEA too long...
[07:15] <just-this-time> gonna use old and tried , attaching bad partition as asecond drive to a good XP only cure I can think of
[07:15] <just-this-time> bye
[07:16]  * Agent_bob wonders what tone clear text carries...
[07:16] <tuxwulf> b flat
[07:16] <Agent_bob> maybe c flat
[07:16] <HollowPoint> tuxwulf if you wanted to temporarily export the output of a command to a text file what command would you use?
[07:16] <tuxwulf> Orrather, b VERY flat
[07:16] <Agent_bob> :)
[07:17] <tuxwulf> Hollow > tee
[07:17] <Makuseru> are there any way to set functions for multimedia buttons on keyboards?
[07:18] <Agent_bob> |
[07:18] <HollowPoint> yes you would use | but you know full well what I mean bob lol
[07:18] <Agent_bob> !hotkeys
[07:18] <tuxwulf> Yes the | comes before tee
[07:18] <nubotu> keyboard shortcuts can be set in K -> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse. Try also "Input Actions" in KControl. If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEMultimediaKeys - See !Keyboard for changing layouts
[07:19] <Makuseru> Agent_bob: thank you
[07:19] <Agent_bob> welcome
[07:19] <HollowPoint> let's say you were gunna perform an ls command and you know the contents of the folder is huge so you want it to a text file, which command would you use?
[07:19] <tuxwulf> I do not really see a whole lot of differences between Fawn and Heron...
[07:19] <HollowPoint> after the |
[07:19] <HollowPoint> there are a lot of differences tbh between the two, knetworkmanager is vastly improved
[07:20] <tuxwulf> HollowPoint: ...I'll stop messing with yyou... Yes, pipe to a text file, then use less on it...
[07:20] <HollowPoint> :D
[07:20] <Agent_bob> pipe to less
[07:20] <tuxwulf> knetworkmanager sure could use a few imporovements, that's true
[07:21] <tuxwulf> Yes, could pipe directly to less, I suppose.. I usually  just type twice though...
[07:21] <tuxwulf> .. and I immediately agree, my typing needs improvement for sure...
[07:22] <tuxwulf> So with linux you have less headaches...
[07:22] <tuxwulf> windows | less headaches
[07:22] <tuxwulf> Mmm..
[07:22]  * HollowPoint shakes his head in dismay
[07:23] <Agent_bob> echo "$(<file))" | while read x ;do read p ;done
[07:23] <HollowPoint> oh stop scripting
[07:23] <Agent_bob> kind of a more bypass
[07:23] <HollowPoint> meh
[07:24] <HollowPoint> what time is it where you are anyway? You've been here nearly as long as me
[07:24] <Agent_bob> oh 06:25 zulu
[07:24] <HollowPoint> zulu?
[07:25] <Agent_bob> same time it is where you are   lol
[07:25] <HollowPoint> you're in NZ as well?
[07:25] <tuxwulf> New Zulu
[07:25] <HollowPoint> lol
[07:25] <Agent_bob> no it's 06:25 zulu no mater what time zone you are in ...     missed another one....;/
[07:26] <HollowPoint> well it actually is 06:25pm here right now lol
[07:27] <tzd> I need to install Java SDK (think that's the correct edition if i want to use if for programming with Netbeans?) and noticed Sun Java is available via repos. Can i just install it via synaptic or will i have to do it in another way please??
[07:27] <Agent_bob> that wouldn't normally have the leading 0  and the trailing pm   either 18:25  or  6:25pm
[07:28] <Agent_bob> tzd yes synaptic
[07:28] <HollowPoint> 06:25pm is perfectly acceptable as you still need two digits on the left side of the :
[07:28] <Agent_bob> for what ?
[07:28] <HollowPoint> for 10, 11 and 12
[07:28] <tzd> Agent_bob: oh nice, thanks! Last time i installed it was on gutsy and i did it manually or something.... can't remember that well but via the repos is a lot easier :) Thanks again!
[07:36] <Agent_bob> HollowPoint that's a little like saying you have to have a thousand digits for any number because some number has that many digits...    check the time formats in kcontrol  (kde3)     hH:MM p      uses the tens digit if needed    but anyway.    i know you are right.    for your locale/work/thought   so    </shrugs>
[07:43]  * HollowPoint agrees he is right :D
[07:43] <HollowPoint> gone quiet in here in the last 20 minutes
[07:44] <Agent_bob> how does this "madwifi" thing supposed to work ?   i have /lib/modules/`uname -r`/madwifi/ath_pci.ko   but i can't seem to modprobe it...
[07:45] <millak> uh, how do I remove a program I installed by compiling it?
[07:45] <Agent_bob> there is no "madwifi" command...   ?
[07:45] <Agent_bob> millak sudo make uninstall    in the build dir ?
[07:45] <Agent_bob> and hope
[07:46] <millak> yeah, that's the one I was looking for, thanks!
[07:47] <Agent_bob> ah shoot it's time to go to work.    see you fellows when you aren't expecting it...
[08:23] <eagles05> !rar
[08:30] <bkbilly> hi
[08:30] <eagles05> hi
[08:32] <EvolElm0> om nom nom.. pork roast for dinner tonight :D
[08:34] <eagles05> !offtopic | EvolElm0
[08:36] <zorglu_> q. i would like to change the desktop shortcut. the one to switch the virtual desktop in particular. where should i look ?
[08:36] <zorglu_> sorry wrong channel
[08:54] <MidgetSpy> Hey guys, how can I simply clear all information off a hard drive? It was used in a freebsd software raid configuration formatted with gpt, and if I try to use parted it just crashes. fdisk claims it can't deal with gpt partitions... I just want to clear the drive and reformat it with ext3
[08:56] <llutz> MidgetSpy: a complete HDD or a partition?
[08:57] <eagles0513875> MidgetSpy: you want to use the whole drive
[08:58] <MidgetSpy> I want to erase everything from the drive and start it from scratch
[08:59] <llutz> MidgetSpy: sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX count=1     where X your drive is(a,b,c,d...), should clean the mbr+partition-table
[09:01] <olskolirc> anyone still up
[09:01] <eagles0513875> MidgetSpy: you on the live cd atm
[09:01] <jussi01> olskolirc: its 11 am so, yes, of course
[09:01] <olskolirc> I have a simple question I know you guys know the answer
[09:01] <olskolirc> oh its 4 am here
[09:01] <eagles0513875> 10am ovr here
[09:01] <jussi01> olskolirc: ask!
[09:01] <eagles0513875> lol
[09:01] <olskolirc> i can't load kdm themes
[09:01] <olskolirc> even as administrater
[09:02] <olskolirc> wow eagles0513875 where are you?
[09:02] <eagles0513875> central europe
[09:02] <eagles0513875> !offtopic | olskolirc
[09:02] <olskolirc> I don't have an offtopic do I?
[09:02] <olskolirc> kdm themes?
[09:03] <olskolirc> login themes.  I can't load them
[09:03] <zorglu_> olskolirc: find another alias and counter attack :)
[09:03] <eagles0513875> click on the blue link above to join that channel
[09:03] <zorglu_> let me think :)
[09:03] <zorglu_> !coc | eagles0513875
[09:03] <zorglu_> this one is a good counter attack :)
[09:04] <eagles0513875> ?
[09:04] <eagles0513875> what did i do wrong:(
[09:04] <zorglu_> see it works :)
[09:04] <olskolirc> you was mean to me
[09:04] <olskolirc> and didn't help :-(
[09:04] <eagles0513875> thought jussi01 was helping but ill help you
[09:04] <eagles0513875> olskolirc:are you on a live cd at the moment
[09:05]  * jussi01 is a bit busy here, sorry
[09:05] <olskolirc> lol no
[09:05] <olskolirc> I have Gutsy installed to hard drive
[09:05] <llutz> olskolirc: you have installed package kdmtheme?
[09:05] <olskolirc> yes llutz :-)
[09:06] <eagles0513875> olskolirc: i apologize for being mean not to mention i dont know the resolution to ur problem:(
[09:06] <eagles0513875> olskolirc: my apologies
[09:06] <olskolirc> I can't load my themes in kdetheme
[09:06] <olskolirc> np eagles0513875
[09:07] <olskolirc> I had this problem before but I don't remember how I resolved it
[09:08] <llutz> olskolirc: set USETHEME=true in /etc/default/kdm.d/20_kubuntu_default_settings
[09:08] <HollowPoint> just loads default ugly theme?
[09:08] <HollowPoint> what he said
[09:09] <olskolirc> thanks
[09:09] <olskolirc> ok llutz its already set
[09:09] <olskolirc> that wasn't it
[09:09] <HollowPoint> have you set the theme as well?
[09:10] <olskolirc> everything is already on true
[09:11] <HollowPoint> no I mean have you actually set the theme?
[09:11] <HollowPoint> in the same file
[09:12] <HollowPoint> just below the option USETHEME is an option to set the actual theme it's going to use
[09:12] <olskolirc> kdmthemes won't let me load any
[09:12] <olskolirc> it doesn't show up
[09:12] <HollowPoint> kdmtheme is broken
[09:12] <olskolirc> ohhh i see
[09:12] <HollowPoint> the only reason to install it is to have the files there to edit them manually
[09:16] <olskolirc> I might just go with gdm
[09:17] <HollowPoint> nah kdm loads better
[09:17] <olskolirc> looks better too
[09:21] <eagles0513875> does compiz work on kde 3.5
[09:22] <HollowPoint> yes
[09:22] <fable> hi to all
[09:23] <eagles0513875> hey
[09:24] <eagles0513875> interesting im missing something in my install to where i can setup the desktop effects
[09:24] <fable> i have one big problem! my tray-bar in KDE doesn't work, at startup is empty (no volume, no klipper etc), and when I start Amule or Konversation it doesn't create that icon in the tray bar!
[09:24] <fable> helpme
[09:25] <eagles0513875> HollowPoint: what am i missing in my compiz installation i am having issues modifying the settings like the cube settings and what not
[09:25] <eagles0513875> HollowPoint: found it nm
[09:26] <eagles0513875> missing the simple ccsm
[09:26] <mathieu_> salut, quelqu'un parle français ici
[09:27] <eagles0513875> !fr | mathieu_
[09:27] <mathieu_> ubottu: bien gentil mais kubuntu-fr n'existe pas
[09:27] <mathieu_> eagles0513875: : bien gentil mais kubuntu-fr n'existe pas
[09:28] <eagles0513875> mathieu_: do you speak english because i have no idea what u said
[09:28] <eagles0513875> *you
[09:28] <FSHero> Hello all, I want to install Windows XP, then Kubuntu Hardy, then Fedora 9 onto my computer.
[09:28] <eagles0513875> FSHero: you sure u have enough hard drive space
[09:28] <FSHero> Reading http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=254400 post #3, it suggests that the author installed Dapper and "chainloads" Edgy.
[09:28] <FSHero> eagles0513875: of course! ;)
[09:28] <eagles0513875> lol
[09:29] <FSHero> So, does that mean that a GRUB menu appears when he boots, which lists Dapper and Edgy, then when he selects Edgy, it just starts booting edgy?
[09:30] <eagles0513875> FSHero: i have no idea i have never done a triple boot before
[09:30] <eagles0513875> i have done duel with xp and kubuntu no problem
[09:30] <FSHero> Or does it pass into another menu, which lists all his Edgy kernels? (The computer will read menu.lst from his Edgy partition?)
[09:30] <eagles0513875> dunno
[09:30] <FSHero> eagles0513875: that is good... I am doing that atm too.
[09:31] <FSHero> The thing I am worried about is: if I install all these distros and they need to add a new kernel to the /boot/grub/menu.lst, will they interfere with each other?
[09:31] <eagles0513875> FSHero: why not just install xp hardy and fedora9 and install hardy and fedora after xp so when installing xp leave alot of free space for the 2 the swap partition
[09:31] <eagles0513875> FSHero: nope i have done it with xp and kubuntu no problem
[09:31] <eagles0513875> im not sure though if anyone has encountered any bugs but i have not
[09:31] <fable>  i have one big problem! my tray-bar in KDE doesn't work, at startup is empty (no volume, no klipper etc), and when I start Amule or Konversation it doesn't create that icon in the tray bar!
[09:32] <FSHero> eagles0513875: I did plan to install XP first. but I don't know in which order I should do K8.04 and F9, and whether or not to manually manage my /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:32] <eagles0513875> !patience | fable
[09:32] <eagles0513875> FSHero: i dont recommend manually managing grub unless u have experience in kernels
[09:32] <fable> eagles0513875: sorry
[09:33] <eagles0513875> FSHero: what will happen once u have xp install then install hardy grub will ovr write the ntbootloader windows needs
[09:33] <eagles0513875> as long as grub is present you will have no issues booting into windows or linux
[09:34] <eagles0513875> regardless of installing 8.04 first or f9 you shouldnt have any issues
[09:34] <eagles0513875> FSHero: with f9 though you kinda playing with fire
[09:34] <eagles0513875> since the stuff on there is all bleeding edge stuff
[09:34] <ActionParsnip> lo all
[09:34] <ActionParsnip> lo eagles0513875
[09:34] <eagles0513875> hey ActionParsnip have i said something wrong
[09:36] <FSHero> eagles0513875: ok, thanks. I don't think I should be splitting so many hairs over this. I shall just install XP then Hardy, then F9. I have a big summer holiday in which to sort out any problems!
[09:36] <FSHero> eagles0513875: Is "bleeding edge" a bad thing?
[09:36] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: no, man. just saying hi o/
[09:36] <eagles0513875> FSHero: if u want bugs thats what ur goign to get with f9
[09:37] <eagles0513875> * you your
[09:37] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: lol
[09:37] <ActionParsnip> what's f9?
[09:37] <eagles0513875> fable: go ahead and ask ur question action might be able to help ya
[09:37] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: fedora core 9
[09:37] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: oh, ok cheers
[09:37] <FSHero> eagles0513875: I heard that Fedora is quite a good distro, though? I did want to try many distros in my summer holiday...!
[09:37]  * ActionParsnip grumbles redhat bloatware
[09:38] <ActionParsnip> FSHero: give it a go, you might like it
[09:38] <eagles0513875> FSHero: kubuntu is the best
[09:38] <ActionParsnip> im a fluxbuntu convert :)
[09:38] <fable> eagleagle i have one big problem! my tray-bar in KDE doesn't work, at startup is empty (no volume, no klipper etc), and when I start Amule or Konversation it doesn't create that icon in the tray bar!
[09:38] <eagles0513875> FSHero: kubuntu is light weight u can run machines on a longer cycle before getting a new machine
[09:38] <FSHero> fable: are you running compiz?
[09:38] <ActionParsnip> fable: did you remove the application catcher from the bar?
[09:38] <FSHero> fable: I mean compiz-fusion?
[09:39] <fable> ya
[09:39] <eagles0513875> speaking of compiz fusion im having issues getting the cube working
[09:39] <fable> ActionParsnip: what is the application catcher?
[09:39] <ActionParsnip> fable: when you minimise a program it goes to the bottom bar, their is an applet you must have to show them
[09:40] <fable> i'm running compiz, but is still running from one mounth without problem
[09:41] <fable> the problem is on the traybar, at the startup it don't create neither the volume icon, the icon of the sound
[09:41] <ActionParsnip> fable: when you minimise programs do they vanish? Is that your issue?
[09:41] <tomas1986> hey all im trying to copy files from /tomas/documents/ttd/ to /usr/share/games/openttd/data/ but i cant
[09:41] <ActionParsnip> tomas1986: use sudo cp
[09:41] <fable> ActionParsnip: one problem is that
[09:41] <ActionParsnip> tomas1986: sweet game too bro
[09:41] <tomas1986> ok how do i do that
[09:41] <FSHero> eagles0513875: cool! I just think that some apps (especially Firefox and Thunderbird, which I use frequently) have poor KDE integration -- especially the file save/load boxes
[09:41] <ActionParsnip> fable: check the reply from dhruv_1884 in this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=169255
[09:41] <ActionParsnip> tomas1986: in konsole
[09:41] <eagles0513875> FSHero: i have firefox3 no problems on kde
[09:42] <eagles0513875> FSHero: depending on what repos u have u can get pretty bleeding edge with kubuntu
[09:42] <tomas1986> ok so how do i copy
[09:42] <ActionParsnip> tomas1986: sudo cp /path/to/source /path/to/destination
[09:42] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: i cant get the cube to work with compiz fusion
[09:42] <cr4ftyb0n35> Does Kubuntu Hardy come with Compiz by default?
[09:42] <eagles0513875> no
[09:43] <eagles0513875> has to be installed
[09:43] <ActionParsnip> tomas1986: or, you could give your user access to the folder and copy it using nautillus / dolphin / yourmum
[09:43] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: no idea man, i dont use it
[09:43] <FSHero> fable: I find that on Kubuntu, when I start Compiz fusion, Adept updater comes out of the 'system tray'. Maybe you are having a similar problem?
[09:43] <eagles0513875> bah
[09:43] <ActionParsnip> !compiz | cr4ftyb0n35
[09:44] <FSHero> While I am here... has anyone running GTK/GNOME applications in Kubuntu (KDE) encountered some weird behaviour in the File - Open dialogue boxes?
[09:44] <ActionParsnip> tomas1986: basically you dont have write access to that folder but you will as root
[09:44] <tomas1986> ok i tryed that and umm it did not work
[09:44] <tomas1986> how do i access root
[09:44] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: couldnt he change chown to what hes logged into
[09:44] <ActionParsnip> tomas1986: you could run kdesu konqueror to run the file browser as root
[09:44] <ActionParsnip> tomas1986: or whatever you use
[09:44] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: indeed :)
[09:44] <tomas1986> i use Ubuntu the normal one lol
[09:45] <tomas1986> sorry if i make this hard
[09:45] <ActionParsnip> tomas1986: in your file browser hit help -> about ..
[09:45] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: lol sry im busting out the knowledge i have been learning in part one of my jr lvl cert from lpi
[09:45] <cr4ftyb0n35> I like few things in Compiz. can anyone tell me if the following are natively supported in KDE? 1)I have "Show/Hide Desktop" when I move my mouse off to a corner. 2) Expose. 3) transparent terminals. I know konsole can be made transparent. But is it true transparency or is it just, oh look your wallpaper in the background?
[09:45] <FSHero> I find that when I type /media/sda5/Documents and Settings... etc (accessing some files on my Windows partition), it just abruptly fills in the "path" box automatically, so that when I am typing at speed, I end up typing garbage.
[09:45] <tomas1986> ok it Nautilus 2.22.2
[09:45] <fable> sorry, my Konversation crash!
[09:46] <cr4ftyb0n35> anyone?
[09:46] <ActionParsnip> tomas1986: kdesu nautilus
[09:46] <FSHero> This is unlike the behaviour in KDE or Windows XP, where you must press the 'right-arrow' to 'auto-complete'.
[09:46] <tomas1986> ok
[09:47] <ActionParsnip> tomas1986: that will run nautilus as root, copy your files then close asap
[09:47] <tomas1986> ok
[09:48] <eagles05> ActionParsnip: im back
[09:48] <eagles05> ActionParsnip: busting out what i learned in my lpi 101 course lol
[09:48] <ActionParsnip> eagles05: yeah i got halfway throught that
[09:48] <tomas1986> ActionParsnip thanks
[09:48] <eagles05> im going all the way
[09:49] <AV1611> Greeting to all! Konqueror crashes, it does that quite a lot....Both 32 & 64, both laptop and Desktop WS.
[09:49] <eagles05> part 1 and 2 for jr level then advanced lvl 201 202 then 301 302
[09:49] <AV1611> It never become better even after the last system upgrade.
[09:49] <tomas1986> have a good one and thanks for the help
[09:49] <ActionParsnip> eagles05: i can probably do it, just costs money I dont currently have :(
[09:49] <ActionParsnip> tomas1986: you got it?
[09:50] <tomas1986> im going to have fun now
[09:50] <cr4ftyb0n35> Can I hide all windows in KDE by moving my mouse to an assigned corner?
[09:50] <ActionParsnip> tomas1986: dude, that is a sweet game :)
[09:50] <eagles05> ActionParsnip: im spoiled lol
[09:50] <tomas1986> yea i had the windows version
[09:50] <eagles05> ActionParsnip: what game
[09:50] <tomas1986> hey if i need help can i ask you
[09:50] <ActionParsnip> eagles05: transport tycoon
[09:50] <tomas1986> and how do you private messagw
[09:50] <eagles05> me wanty lol
[09:50] <fable> ActionParsnip: no, it isnt my problem, i have the taskbar in the bottom panel, the icon of Amsn works, but the all other doesn't work
[09:50] <ActionParsnip> tomas1986: just ask in the room and one of us wll probably reply
[09:50] <ActionParsnip> !ask | tomas1986
[09:50] <tomas1986> down load the game from torrentz.com
[09:51] <tomas1986> ok cool thanks
[09:51] <tomas1986> !ask | ActionParsnip thanks
[09:51] <ActionParsnip> np tomas1986
[09:51] <eagles05> lol
[09:51] <cr4ftyb0n35> tomas1986: Try out OpenTTD
[09:51] <tomas1986> thats what im p;laying
[09:51] <eagles05> !compiz
[09:51] <stdin> ubottu: ping
[09:51] <tomas1986> see ya all
[09:51] <ActionParsnip> i love that game and the music is kicking
[09:51] <stdin> ...
[09:52] <eagles05> ping pong sing a song
[09:52] <eagles05> woot installing openttd
[09:53] <ActionParsnip> eagles05: did you play it forst time round?
[09:53] <eagles05> ActionParsnip: no lol
[09:53] <eagles05> stdin: can you help me with a compiz issue i got
[09:53] <stdin> eagles05: I don't use compiz
[09:53] <eagles05> ok
[09:53] <eagles05> any compiz users in here
[09:53] <HollowPoint> yup