[05:44] <_Bud> tyyy,Have you replaced CR2032 battery on motherboard?
[05:44] <tyyy> ?
[05:44] <tyyy> i dont have any
[05:44] <tyyy> at least i think so
[05:44] <BluesKaj> relogin CaBlGuY
[05:44] <tyyy> im having a vgn-u70p handheld device from sony
[05:44] <CaBlGuY> close my session and come back on?
[05:44] <Jucato> tyyy: #ubuntu-kernel
[05:44] <_Bud> what kind of machine do you have?
[05:45] <CaBlGuY> BluesKaj, ?
[05:45] <CaBlGuY> close my session and come back on?
[05:45] <tyyy> thx
[05:47] <CaBlGuY> ok, I'm taken that's what ya meant so, brb
[05:47] <tyyy> anybody alse an idea what is cousing my crash?
[05:50] <Contrast83> Greets, everyone... Does anyone know how to get rid of EVERYTHING associated with a program when you uninstall it in the package manager? I've already "completely removed" them, and I'm still finding .desktop files, configuration files and folders, etc., scattered throughout my system.
[05:50] <CaBlGuY> K, BluesKaj    still not on my menu...  feel like I'm missin somethin..   :/
[05:50] <tyyy> ok please help i want to try and see if it is the swap partition like somebody mentioned before, and would like to create a swap partition please help
[05:51] <marko_> hey
[05:51] <BluesKaj> CaBlGuY, googleearth in the terminal
[05:51] <CaBlGuY> K..
[05:51] <marko_> i wanna know what this command do cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep MH
[05:51] <marko_> :D
[05:51] <marko_> does anyone know ?
[05:51] <tyyy> it will delete your cpu physically
[05:52] <llutz> lol
[05:52] <dasnipa> it looks in the cpuinfo file and searches it for 'MH'
[05:52] <CaBlGuY> BluesKaj,  command not found..
[05:52] <CaBlGuY> marko_,  I bet u can tell us.. :p
[05:53] <dasnipa> marko_: it looks in the cpuinfo file and searches it for 'MH'
[05:53] <llutz> marko_: reads tact-frequency  in MHz from cpuinfo
[05:53] <marko_> i don't know so I'm asking cause a friend told me i should do it but he is so... a little evil
[05:53] <marko_> so i can't trust him
[05:53] <marko_> properly:DD
[05:53] <CaBlGuY> LOL
[05:53] <dasnipa> marko_: it wont do anything bad
[05:53] <marko_> ok:D
[05:53] <CaBlGuY> marko_,  run it..  it's fine
[05:54] <dasnipa> marko_: besides to screw up that file it would have to be run as sudo
[05:54] <tyyy> oh yes it will, it will delete your cpu physically
[05:54] <marko_> tyyy, stfu dude
[05:54] <marko_> thanks guys:D
[05:54] <dasnipa> something like sudo echo ' ' > /proc/cpuinfo
[05:54] <marko_> I'm going now c'ya:)
[05:54] <CaBlGuY> LMAO  @ tyyy
[05:54] <CaBlGuY> :-|
[05:55] <CaBlGuY> dam kidz..
[05:55] <dasnipa> indeed
[05:55] <tyyy> marko dont take it so serious be bit more frankly
[05:55] <BluesKaj> CaBlGuY, search for it in konqueror
[05:55] <CaBlGuY> K..  BluesKaj  gimma  SEC..
[05:56] <tyyy> ok now somebody help me with sudo rm -r /
[05:56] <tyyy> lol
[05:56] <tyyy> ok back to serious
[05:57] <tyyy> ok please help i want to try and see if it is the swap partition like somebody mentioned before, and would like to create a swap partition please help
[05:57] <CaBlGuY> K BluesKaj   not there..
[05:58] <D_Cent> hi
[05:58] <BluesKaj> CaBlGuY, the only thing left is to go to the google site and download the tar file
[05:59] <D_Cent> i have a problem with my sidewinder force feedback pro joystick. i cannot configure it. /dev/input/js0 or /dev/js0 doesn't exist and if i create it, i get this message: "no such device"
[05:59] <monfis> jak sie nazywa polski czat
[05:59] <CaBlGuY> BluesKaj,  ok but, why didn't it put it on my menu when I installed it??
[06:00] <D_Cent> i've tried out so much tutorials, but nothing helped
[06:00] <CaBlGuY> and is it something to do with that libc6 file?
[06:00] <BluesKaj> it didn't install , otherwise konqueror would have found it
[06:00] <buz> instead of sda4???
[06:01] <BluesKaj> CaBlGuY, it didn't install , otherwise konqueror would have found it
[06:01] <CaBlGuY> ok..  so, I should try to re-install that libc6 file then..  yes??
[06:01] <D_Cent> i've loaded the following kernel-modules: sidewinder, joydev, joydump, analog, gameport, emu10k1-gp, evdev and iforce
[06:02] <BluesKaj> CaBlGuY, gimme a min
[06:02] <CaBlGuY> BluesKaj,  K..
[06:05] <asfak_> can i have my image on bootloader ? any helpful links ?
[06:05] <tyyy> can somebody help with swap?
[06:06] <CaBlGuY> BluesKaj,  I'm re-installing that file..  see what happens..
[06:06] <BluesKaj> ok CaBlGuY , good
[06:07] <llutz> tyyy: do you have free space on hdd?
[06:07] <tyyy> is there any other irc channel where i can get help with system troubleshooting and kernel crash system crash etc...?
[06:07] <khadija> please is there any way to install samba without connection
[06:07] <khadija> ?
[06:07] <tyyy> ah lutz thx, yes i think so
[06:07] <llutz> tyyy: if so, just create a new partition, set the type to swap
[06:07] <Emess_> awesome, xi is fixed now
[06:08] <tyyy> with what can i do that?
[06:08] <llutz> tyyy: sudo cfdisk /dev/your.disk
[06:08] <Emess> iv got a windows box that connects to teh internet with wifi, and i want kubuntu to use that wifi connection over a cat5 cable, any way to do that without samba?
[06:08] <BluesKaj> ok CaBlGuY , http://earth.google.com/download-earth.html ...dl the .bin file
[06:08] <llutz> tyyy: but why a partition? swap-files work fine
[06:09] <Emess> kinda need the internet on it
[06:09] <tyyy> somebody told me
[06:09] <tyyy> that that could e the couse for my crash
[06:09] <khadija>  please is there any way to install samba without connection like download a package
[06:09] <CaBlGuY> Grrrrr  this is gettin under my skin now...
[06:09] <llutz> tyyy: swap-partition has advantages only if you use more than one linux-installation on your pc so they can share it
[06:09] <tyyy> but actually im doubting to
[06:10] <llutz> tyyy: swap causes crashs? i doubt too
[06:10] <tyyy> i dont have more then kubunto on my thingy
[06:10] <CaBlGuY> BluesKaj,  what do I do with the .bin file once I get it?
[06:10] <tyyy> kubuntu
[06:10] <tyyy> is there any log i can check?
[06:10] <llutz> tyyy: /var/log/syslog, /var/log/messages
[06:11] <tyyy> i checked that but it seems like hrmm
[06:11] <tyyy> prolly i just dont get it
[06:11] <khadija> please is there any way to install samba without connection
[06:11] <tyyy> if i paste it somewhere
[06:11] <epimeth> khadija: without connection to internet?
[06:11] <tyyy> could you see if there is something bothereing or cousing it?
[06:12] <llutz> tyyy: i doubt that too, sry :)
[06:12] <BluesKaj> CaBlGuY, right click on it , make executable if necessary... then cd to the file in the terminal and type ./  in front of the file name ...i'tll bring up an install wizard
[06:12] <tyyy> its just freezing sometimes after a while
[06:12] <tyyy> and i dont know why
[06:12] <tyyy> i cant do anything else then reset
[06:12] <llutz> tyyy: thermal trouble?
[06:13] <epimeth> _4strO: Success?
[06:13] <tyyy> if it was then i couldnt restart again and let the machine run for about the same time again or longer as much as i understand theremal problems
[06:13] <CaBlGuY> BluesKaj,  change the .bin to .exe? or no?
[06:13] <llutz> tyyy: bad memory (RAM)
[06:13] <tyyy> i checked the ram 3 times
[06:14] <epimeth> CaBlGuY: .exe is a windows executable, .bin is (usually) a linux one
[06:14] <llutz> tyyy: memtest for longer 48h
[06:14] <tyyy> well thats what i did
[06:14] <ben_> how many sticks do you hav?
[06:14] <_4strO> epimeth: success for what ?
[06:14] <CaBlGuY> thanks epimeth  for clearin that up..   *eye roll*
[06:14] <tyyy> but it passed
[06:14] <CaBlGuY> :p
[06:14] <llutz> tyyy: hmmm, no idea then.
[06:14] <tyyy> hrmm sledge hammer?
[06:14] <tyyy> lol
[06:14] <ben_> tyy: how many sticks do you have?
[06:14] <llutz> tyyy: ati or nvidia-drivers?
[06:14] <tyyy> intel
[06:15] <llutz> tyyy: should work fine too
[06:15] <epimeth> _4strO: <a href="/forex-trade.html">
[06:15] <epimeth> ack?!?
[06:15] <ben_> tyyy: how many sticks of ram do you have?
[06:15] <tyyy> just one
[06:15] <ben_> oh
[06:15] <ben_> b/c i
[06:15] <epimeth> _4strO: why isn't the "copy" working????
[06:16] <ben_> b/c i've tested 2 sticks of ram dual channel together and got no erros and then done them individually and found errors
[06:16] <epimeth> _4strO: chanserv said "_4str
[06:16] <epimeth> _4strO: O has left the server. (Success).
[06:16] <ben_> i'm trying to compile madwifi from the source code but i get errors
[06:16] <ben_> http://nopaste.ch/a15376450597c65.html
[06:16] <_4strO> i dont know what you're talking about
[06:17] <_4strO> it was just a ghost connection :p
[06:17] <CaBlGuY> BluesKaj, should the command be sudo ./GoogleEarthLinux.bin  ???
[06:17] <epimeth> CaBlGuY: in that case... change that to "no. under no circumstances should you change it to .exe" :-p
[06:17] <CaBlGuY> hehe
[06:18] <BluesKaj> CaBlGuY, yes
[06:18] <CaBlGuY> so it would be sudo ./GoogleEarthLinux.bin    if so, it's saying command not found.,..
[06:18] <BluesKaj> don't change it to exe ...just make sure it's executable in properties
[06:19] <tyyy> can the couse adept be?
[06:19] <BluesKaj> ok CaBlGuY, you have to install build-essential
[06:20] <epimeth> CaBlGuY: oohhh... lol... misunderstood your question... yea, you have to chmod a+x GoogleEarthLinux.bin in order to make it executable
[06:20] <CaBlGuY> *sigh*...  okey dokey...  gimme a sec.  :p
[06:20] <CaBlGuY> epimeth,  b THERE   that's what I was lookin for..
[06:23] <CaBlGuY> Ummmm ok.,.,   that didn't work..  :/
[06:24] <CaBlGuY> dam..  I it wasn't this hard to install on my desktop...
[06:24] <marrk> dma_timer_expiry dma status == 0x61 rings a bell with someone?
[06:24] <BluesKaj> CaBlGuY, have you installed build-essential ?
[06:25] <CaBlGuY> Ummm   no sir..  :p
[06:25] <CaBlGuY> gimme a sec..
[06:25] <arkygeek> hi all
[06:25] <marrk> i have huge boot times
[06:25] <marrk> and i get the same error a lot of times in my logs
[06:26] <marrk> 06/05/2007 06:14:25 PM	marrk-desktop	kernel	[   24.826407]   hda:<4>hda: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x61
[06:26] <arkygeek> i am running sidux, a debian sid based distro - can i change my repos and switch it to ubuntu?
[06:26] <arkygeek> with a d-u i mean?
[06:26] <jean-benoit> !fr
[06:26] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:27] <CaBlGuY> hehe
[06:27] <CaBlGuY> ok..
[06:28] <DJFrankie> hey when i try to install windows server 2003 sp2 on my server it says: you will need to return to setup in order to install windows choosing dynamic update during setupid will possibly remedy this error what to do now?
[06:29] <llutz> DJFrankie: join win-channel and aks there
[06:29] <llutz> aks
[06:29] <llutz> ask
[06:29] <DJFrankie> win channel
[06:29] <DJFrankie> is that from ubuntu too?
[06:29] <DJFrankie> !win
[06:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about win - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:30] <DJFrankie> !windows
[06:30] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[06:30] <CaBlGuY> LOL
[06:30] <CaBlGuY> DJFrankie,  here...
[06:30] <llutz> DJFrankie: win = windows = microsoft = wrong place here to ask
[06:30] <CaBlGuY> #windows
[06:30] <CaBlGuY> jin that
[06:30] <CaBlGuY> *join
[06:30] <epimeth> !equivalents
[06:30] <DJFrankie> o i am there
[06:30] <ubotu> A comprehensive list of of Windows-equivalent applications in Linux can be found at http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant
[06:30] <DJFrankie> thx
[06:30] <CaBlGuY> word
[06:31] <BluesKaj> CaBlGuY, try the bin file now
[06:31] <CaBlGuY> BluesKaj,  roger that...   doin the chmod right?
[06:32] <BluesKaj> never use it
[06:32] <msemtd_> um, quick question: is it safe to remove the lvm2 package on feisty?
[06:32] <tyyy> well ok something different, did anybody try japanese input system with openoffice?
[06:33] <tyyy> or yet better any body got it running?
[06:35] <CaBlGuY> so far so good BluesKaj    ;)
[06:38] <epimeth> CaBlGuY: what about meeeee! BluesKaj *always* gets the thanks!
[06:38] <epimeth> not my fault I'm at work and only catch half the problems
[06:38] <CaBlGuY> heeh...   ok ok..  thanks epimeth  for umm  helpin out..
[06:38] <CaBlGuY> there.. :D
[06:38] <BluesKaj> epimeth, wait...it ain't over yet :)
[06:38] <CaBlGuY> yea..  see..
[06:39] <epimeth> yay!
[06:39] <CaBlGuY> ok, it's running but I think I may need to update my openGL or DL an olpenGL driver..
[06:40] <epimeth> CaBlGuY: that I can't help you with :-p
[06:40] <CaBlGuY> see..   I bet BluesKaj  can..  so :p
[06:44] <BluesKaj> what graphics card CaBlGuY?
[06:46] <CaBlGuY> BluesKaj, ummm  lemme take a look..   I'm usin a laptop by the way..   Toshiba somethin or another..
[06:48] <CaBlGuY> ok, whats the command to see what Vid card ya got??
[06:49] <nixternal> lspci
[06:49] <nixternal> lspci |grep VGA
[06:50] <nixternal> that will give you exactly what you are looking for
[06:52] <khadija> hi all
[06:52] <CaBlGuY> ok BluesKaj    I got a Trident Microsystems CyberBlade/XP....
[06:52] <khadija>  please is there any way to install samba without connection
[06:53] <khadija> "sudo apt-get install samba"
[06:53] <khadija> this command oblige the user to connect to the internet
[06:54] <c1|freaky> is there thunderbird 2.0 for kubuntu?
[06:54] <JuJuBee> Trying to upgrade from dapper to feisty... Cant get past metacity error... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/metacity-common_1%3a2.18.2-0ubuntu1.1_all.deb (--unpack):
[06:55] <JuJuBee> What to do?
[06:56] <khadija> somebody is there????
[06:56] <khadija> i have a archive but i coudn't install it?
[06:56] <llutz> khadija: sudo dpkg -i archive.deb
[06:56] <CaBlGuY> yea, that's the only way I would know to install khadija
[06:57] <llutz> khadija: but it will fail if you don't have all dependend packages too
[06:58] <JuJuBee> Any suggestions for my error on metacity?
[06:59] <llutz> JuJuBee: download again
[07:00] <JuJuBee> Shoudl I remove it from the archives and do the dist-upgrade again?
[07:00] <llutz> JuJuBee: try just do reinstall this package
[07:01] <JuJuBee> llutz : error... E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[07:02] <JuJuBee> I tried teh apt-get -f install and it failed as well...
[07:02] <llutz> JuJuBee: broken package maybe?
[07:02] <JuJuBee> I guess.  What do I do about it?
[07:03] <JuJuBee> should I apt-get remove metacity and try to continue?
[07:03] <khadija> I test the command but the system gives me thismessage
[07:04] <khadija> Des erreurs ont t rencontres pendant l'excution:
[07:04] <khadija>  samb
[07:04] <khadija> how resolve it
[07:04] <khadija> how can i resolve it
[07:08] <khadija> plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[07:08] <khadija> i need help
[07:08] <khadija> how can i install samba
[07:08] <khadija> i want to share folder in windows
[07:09] <CaBlGuY> so, BluesKaj  any help on updating the drivers??
[07:11] <trpr> khadija: sudo apt-get install samba smbfs
[07:12] <trpr> khadija: then you can mount your windows shares with the smbmount command.. ie sudo smbmount //somecomputer/someshare /some/local/directory
[07:12] <ubuntu_> hello
[07:12] <BluesKaj> CaBlGuY, try the google-linux search for the drivers http://www.google.com/linux
[07:12] <ubuntu_> how do i enable r/w on ntfs drives ?
[07:13] <BluesKaj> bbl
[07:14] <JuJuBee> Can someone give me a hand with dist-upgrade... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24270/  metacity problem... dapper -> feisty
[07:14] <sercik> ubuntu_ you need to install ntfs-config
[07:14] <jujimufu> I have downloaded gnome-bluetooth, bluez, gammu and wammu, and I have set up gammurc to have a pin, namely 5432. But when I run wammu and it detects my phone, on my phone I am asked whether I want a connection with the computer. I say yes, and it asks for a password. I put the password I have pre-arranged, but it says "connection failed". Any ideas?
[07:14] <sercik> and then you can use it to enable rw
[07:14] <ubuntu_> oh, ok
[07:14] <ubuntu_> know anything about persistant livecd ?
[07:16] <khadija>  <trpr>  the problem is that the second computer dosn't have connection
[07:16] <khadija> to net
[07:16] <khadija> i download it a package
[07:16] <khadija> how can i install it?
[07:16] <trpr> khadija: second computer is the linux computer? if you dled a .deb you can install it w/ dpkg -i <file>
[07:17] <trpr> but i'm not entirely clear on what the problem is
[07:17] <marrk> hmmm
[07:17] <khadija> yeah in the second i have kubuntu also
[07:18] <marrk> can anyone help with : hda: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x61
[07:18] <llutz> khadija: samba installed on the second pc?
[07:18] <khadija> no isn't installed
[07:18] <khadija> i want to configure it
[07:19] <hyper__ch> any economist here?
[07:19] <ubuntu_> what are the main differences between ubuntu 6.04 and fawn ? (any reason why not to use the earlier version ?
[07:19] <llutz> khadija: try "sudo aptitude download samba" on your pc with internet. after aptitude is finished, copy the downloaded files to the second pc and install them with dpkg -i
[07:19] <Emess> hey, iv got a windows box with wifi and i need to share that connection with kubuntu over lan, anyway to do that? kubuntu currently has no internet connection
[07:21] <marrk> I have long boottimes with this error message: hda: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x61
[07:21] <marrk> anyone knows something about it?
[07:23] <ubuntu_> know anything about persistant livecd ?
[07:23] <ubuntu_> what are the main differences between ubuntu 6.04 and fawn ? (any reason why not to use the earlier version ?
[07:23] <ubuntu_> ?
[07:23] <ubuntu_> am i lagging ?
[07:23] <khadija> [17:18]  <llutz> khadija: samba installed on the second pc?
[07:23] <khadija> [17:18]  <khadija> no isn't installed
[07:23] <khadija> [17:18]  <khadija> i want to configure it
[07:23] <khadija> [17:19]  <khadija> but i don't have connection
[07:23] <khadija> [17:20]  <khadija> dpkg -i <file>.deb but dos'nt work
[07:24] <trpr> ubuntu_: i think one is the long term support release (6.06 or something). and no, i don't think there is any reason not to use the earlier version
[07:24] <llutz> khadija: how do you want to configure it, if it isn't installed?
[07:24] <Emess> ubuntu_: use dapper if you want, feisty is just newer and prettier
[07:24] <trpr> i am confused how you plan on using it w/out network between the two pcs? maybe i am confused and its just internet the second pc is missing, not network
[07:27] <khadija> how can I install it
[07:27] <trpr> ubuntu_: *repeats* i think one is the long term support release (6.06 or something). and no, i don't think there is any reason not to use the earlier version
[07:27] <darryl> Any of your guys got  PPTP working with Kubuntu?
[07:27] <SilentDis> hello :)
[07:27] <SilentDis> !mp3
[07:27] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
 so how can i install it?
[07:28] <trpr> khadija: get the samba package and the smbfs package and any other dependencies they need. transfer them to the pc without internet somehow and install them with 'sudo dpkg <filename> ...
[07:29] <JuJuBee> Can someone please help me?  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24270/  I can't get past this error in dist-upgrade.
[07:29] <ubuntu_> ?
[07:29] <Dr_willis> Hmmm
[07:29] <trpr> khadija: if the second pc had interent this wouldn't be such a pain. you could just apt-get the packages and be ready to go
[07:30] <trpr> speaking of which, they are probably on the cd
[07:30] <SilentDis> aargh, stupid question, i'd like to have Konversation pass URL clicks to my already open instance of Konqueror, rather than open a new one.  where is the setting?
[07:31] <khadija> ok i get and i will transfert it with usb
[07:32] <khadija> i will dwonload the deb package
[07:32] <jujimufu> I have downloaded gnome-bluetooth, bluez, gammu and wammu, and I have set up gammurc to have a pin, namely 5432. But when I run wammu and it detects my phone, on my phone I am asked whether I want a connection with the computer. I say yes, and it asks for a password. I put the password I have pre-arranged, but it says "connection failed". Any ideas?
[07:33] <SilentDis> jujimufu: I don't have much experience with wammu, might be best to check out that project's official help channels...
[07:33] <SilentDis> !wammu | jujimufu
[07:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wammu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:34] <darryl> Any of your guys got  PPTP working with Kubuntu? I almost have it working, but I get the "Cannot determine ethernet address for proxy ARP" - anyone here know how to work around that?
[07:35] <jujimufu> SilentDis: I don't see any channels... bah...
[07:35] <SilentDis> jujimufu: phone db for wammu: http://cihar.com/gammu/phonedb -- wiki http://www.gammu.org/wiki/index.php?title=Gammu:Wammu
[07:35] <jujimufu> !gammu
[07:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gammu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:35] <jujimufu> SilentDis: thanks
[07:36] <SilentDis> jujimufu: nt.  sorry i couldn't be more help
[07:38] <eeos> how do you update kdevelop to 3.4.1? I cannot find the repository!
[07:38] <jujimufu> SilentDis: no worries.
[07:38] <darryl> Any of your guys got  PPTP working with Ubuntu? I almost have it working, but I get the "Cannot determine ethernet address for proxy ARP" - anyone here know how to work around that?
[07:39] <eeos> they do not appear to be anywhere on the website.
[07:39] <ks_> halo
[07:40] <nosrednaekim> 'lo
[07:40] <der_messias> hi
[07:41] <SilentDis> eeos: looks like current for kdevelop for Kubuntu 7.04 is 3.4.0 branch.  are you looking for gutsy dev stuff by chance? (#ubuntu+1)
[07:41] <eeos> SilentDis: nope, they released 3.4.1 few days ago with kubuntu 704 packages, but cannot find their repository anymore
[07:43] <SilentDis> eeos: http://www.kdevelop.org/index.html?filename=3.4/download.html - the download page for the kdevelop project might help
[07:43] <SilentDis> eeos: yep, looks like they have repos listed there
[07:44] <eeos> SilentDis: it is an outright mess there
[07:44] <eeos> SilentDis: looking at it trying to make sense of the field
[07:44] <sercik> someone can help me to pair a bluetooth device?
[07:45] <jujimufu> sercik: what phone do you have and what applications are you using?
[07:45] <SilentDis> eeos: in the Binaries section of that page, just under the first table, is where it lists the repos
[07:45] <eeos> SilentDis: it looks they have releaed the binaries for 610
[07:45] <sercik> i have a k700i ericsson
[07:45] <eeos> SilentDis: but not for 704
[07:45] <sercik> and for now i haven't installed applications
[07:45] <eeos> SilentDis: and they are in the kde 356 repository
[07:45] <sercik> i have bluettoth icon on systray
[07:45] <eeos> SilentDis: instead of 357
[07:45] <eeos> SilentDis: :(
[07:46] <SilentDis> eeos: sounds like rather than using the tool, it might be better to offer some of your time to help clean up their website.  LOL
[07:47] <eeos> SilentDis: well, you cannot get involved i all open source project on the planet, can you?
[07:47] <SilentDis> eeos: no, you surely can't lol
[07:47] <Haffe> Hmmm.
[07:47] <eeos> SilentDis: so I have to content myself with all I am doing :P
[07:48] <jordo23> Is it possible to run Konversation minimized at startup?
[07:48] <Haffe> I have a programing question. I have read 'Structure and interpretation of Computer Programs 3/e' what would be the next book to read in progresion?
[07:51] <SilentDis> jordo23: having it startup isn't too hard, add a symlink to /usr/bin/konversation in ~/.kde/Autostart.  as for getting it to start in the tray and only in the tray, i'm not so sure...
[07:51] <eeos> have a nice evening everybody!
[07:51] <epimeth> Haffe: depending on the language, a Bruce Eckel book
[07:51] <nosrednaekim> SilentDis: I think thats a command line option
[07:51] <epimeth> Haffe: www.mindview.net
[07:51] <jordo23> SilentDis: Yeah....that's what I am shooting for.....why is this never added to Konversation or an option in the config?  It is with most other KDE GUI programs...
[07:52] <SilentDis> jordo23: how about starting it, closing it's main window, then saving session in KDE?
[07:53] <epimeth> SilentDis: thats what we call a "workaround"
[07:53] <jordo23> SilentDis: Doesn't work.....when logon happens it maximizes...
[07:53] <epimeth> ohhh... keeping it closed... gotcha
[07:53] <jordo23> ya
[07:53] <SilentDis> epimeth: agreed on that comment :P
[07:53] <SilentDis> jordo23: darnit!  lol
[07:54] <epimeth> SilentDis: I'm good with workarounds... seems like half of what Ido is a workaround... god I hate it when "time is of the essence"
[07:54] <Mich> hi
[07:55] <SilentDis> Mich: not yet...  *snicker*
[07:55] <SilentDis> Mich: oh, the greeting, not my current state.  sorry.  hi!
[07:58] <epimeth> wow... http://bash.org/?73148
[08:00] <SilentDis> eh?
[08:01] <eagles0513875> what will allow me to decode wma files
[08:02] <epimeth> !wma | eagles0513875
[08:02] <ubotu> eagles0513875: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:02] <BluesKaj> epimeth, what's with the contradictory psychobabble :)
[08:02] <epimeth> BluesKaj: I'm a stoner myself :-p
[08:02] <maarch> hi
[08:02] <epimeth> BluesKaj: but don't tell anyone
[08:02] <epimeth> maarch: hello
[08:03] <maarch> i need some help with mount an external ntfs hard drive in linux kubuntu
[08:03] <maarch> the device is recognized and i am able to mount it manually
[08:04] <maarch> how can i do to be able to mount it by double clickin the popup that appears when it is plugged in?
[08:04] <SilentDis> maarch: a usb drive i assume?
[08:04] <maarch> yes it is
[08:04] <BluesKaj> epimeth, nothing wrong with a lil toke now & then  ;> )
[08:05] <x_link> Hi
[08:05] <x_link> Just installed Kubuntu 6.10 on my machine
[08:05] <maarch> hi x_link
[08:05] <x_link> 7.04 cd didn't work =/
[08:05] <x_link> That was  my last cd.
[08:05] <x_link> Anyway
[08:06] <x_link> I have been using Debian otherwise
[08:06] <jujimufu> x_link: well, what about re-burning the ISO?
[08:06] <x_link> jujimufu: It's not a CD-rw =/
[08:06] <x_link>  /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[08:06] <jujimufu> x_link: oh, and you don't have any other CD's?
[08:06] <x_link> When I did that in Debian then X got killed and I came to CLI
[08:06] <x_link> But in Kubuntu that doesn't happen?
[08:06] <x_link> jujimufu: No =/
[08:06] <jujimufu> x_link: you can upgrade to feisty by doing sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, I think. You can check the ubuntu forums for more details.
[08:06] <x_link> I want to install the nvidia driver, so how do I kill X and come to CLI?
[08:07] <maarch> go into tty1
[08:07] <jujimufu> x_link: ctrl+alt+f2?
[08:07] <x_link> jujimufu: Okej.
[08:07] <SilentDis> x_link: after killing kdm, drop to tty1 (ctrl-alt-f1)
[08:07] <maarch> killall x
[08:07] <x_link> hmm
[08:07] <SilentDis> x_link: or, f2, all the way to f6 in fact hehe :)
[08:07] <eXistenz> when in kubuntu console I get ^[[D instead of moving left, when pressing the left arrow key, what might cause this?
[08:07] <epimeth> x_link: or you can just ctl_alt_f1/2/3/4/5 and not have to close x
[08:08] <epimeth> get back to x by alt_f7
[08:08] <minty> hi any one good with beryl
[08:08] <SilentDis> eXistenz: <ot>I saw the movie you're named after.  that was a trip.  :D</ot>
[08:08] <x_link> epimeth: You kill X to install the nvidia driver
[08:08] <epimeth> x_link: that would be correct
[08:09] <epimeth> best to not kill, but nicely shut down tho
[08:09] <jujimufu> guys, what repos do you have to add to sources.list in order to install beryl? I have it installed already, I don't need to install it, I just want to know because I have forgotten.
[08:09] <jujimufu> And I don't know which ones are official and which ones are not, in sources.list
[08:09] <SilentDis> jujimufu: kubuntu 7.04?
[08:09] <epimeth> x_link:  so log off, ctrl+alt into a cli, then sudo /etc/init/kdm stop
[08:10] <epimeth> x_link: then you should be able to install the drivers
[08:10] <x_link> epimeth: okej
[08:10] <epimeth> x_link: remember to back up your xorg.conf first!
[08:11] <epimeth> I hope he saw that...
[08:11] <llp78> jujimufu: mmunity maintained (Universe) and Non-free (Multiverse) boxes.
[08:15] <pfein> in kmail, is there a way to delete from local folders & bypass the trash?
[08:15] <epimeth> shift+del
[08:15] <epimeth> I guess
[08:17] <jujimufu> llp78: thanks
[08:17] <ubuntu_> list
[08:17] <pfein> epimeth: huh
[08:20] <epimeth> pfein: instead of just deleting, press shift while you're doing it... that should permanently delete instead of sending to trash
[08:20] <pfein> epimeth: yup, so it did.
[08:20] <goban> whyso@whyso-desktop:~/_spe$ speYou need to install at least wxPython v<IP_ADDRESS> to run SPE. python-wxgtk2.8 is already the newest version. help???
[08:20] <pfein> was just surprised I couldn't find it on the menus ;-) makes sense tho - like konq.
[08:20] <pfein> thx
[08:21] <BluesKaj> !tuxfamily
[08:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tuxfamily - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:21] <Small_Mac> could someone tell me how to get rid of/uninstall the 2.6.20-15 kernel that shows at boot screen so i only have the -16 version left, i could just edit grub menu file, but i wanted to get rid of it, especially since i don't know how big a file the old kernel is
[08:21] <BluesKaj> !edit-grub
[08:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about edit-grub - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:23] <llp78> Small_Mac: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=459901
[08:23] <Small_Mac> thx BluesKaj and llp78
[08:25] <BluesKaj> llp78, http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/16701
[08:25] <bridget_> i have a problem loading the live cd. It says no errors yet when it gets to setting up networks it just stops. any ideas why?
[08:25] <BluesKaj> err Small_Mac http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/16701
[08:27] <Small_Mac> thx again BluesKaj =)
[08:27] <llp78> BluesKaj: when you edit grub you dont actually remove the kernel, but rather hide it from grub - he asked about removing it
[08:27] <BluesKaj> Small_Mac, hhmm, don't think that page is gonna help you'
[08:27] <llp78> this page will http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=459901
[08:28] <BluesKaj> llp78, yeah it's dangerous removing kernels :)
[08:28] <BluesKaj> even old ones
[08:28] <llp78> not if you follow the guide
[08:29] <Small_Mac> ic, how big is each kernel anyway
[08:29] <llp78> i would just leave it - can see it taken up much room anyway
[08:29] <Small_Mac> cuz i don't mind letting it sit there and just edit it outta the grub
[08:29] <Small_Mac> cool, is there a rough number for the size?
[08:29] <llp78> cant see it **
[08:29] <llp78> 50mb
[08:29] <Small_Mac> ya
[08:29] <Small_Mac> cool i'll just leave it in peace
[08:29] <Small_Mac> hopefully that'll leave me in peace in return har har
[08:30] <Small_Mac> and thx to both u guys again =)
[08:30] <BluesKaj> Small_Mac, llp78 one can edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst but that's dangerous too
[08:30] <Small_Mac> BluesKaj ya but i messed with the grub yesterday and i did ok, so i think i'm more encouraged to do that today lol
[08:31] <llp78> yep - i had grub issues
[08:31] <Small_Mac> BluesKaj right now i'm thinking of just commenting out the old kernel lines with #
[08:31] <rui> hi guys
[08:31] <BluesKaj> I was able to restore hidden grub menu using it tho just commented the hiddenmenu line out
[08:31] <rui> I have one big issue i can't install java
[08:31] <llp78> lost vista when installed kubuntu - took about to weeks to get it duel booting - dont know why though havent used vista sinice
[08:31] <Small_Mac> hehe
[08:32] <BluesKaj> yes , Small_Mac , commenting out is agood idea
[08:32] <Small_Mac> cool, alrights, i'll go try that out
[08:32] <llp78> take a backup first
[08:32] <Small_Mac> ya
[08:32] <Small_Mac> good point =)
[08:32] <Small_Mac> woulda forgot lol
[08:34] <Cavallek> what should I use for antivir
[08:35] <bridget_> i have a problem loading the live cd. It says no errors yet when it gets to setting up networks it just stops. any ideas why?
[08:35] <llp78> bridget_: what type of network do you have ?
[08:36] <bridget_> lip78: Wireless and Wired, just not plugged in during install.
[08:36] <Small_Mac> is there someway to create an icon on the panel bar that links to a folder? (trying to have a squeaky clean desktop)
[08:36] <Admiral_Chicago> Cavallek: no need. you have linux
[08:36] <Admiral_Chicago> Cavallek: if you feel paranoid, check out this link
[08:36] <Admiral_Chicago> !antivirus
[08:36] <ubotu> antivirus is something you don't really need on Linux, unless you serve windows clients. ClamAV and aegis are decent linux virusscanners. Also see !linuxvirus
[08:36] <bridget_> lip78: My wireless is a dell 1390 :)
[08:37] <Cavallek> Admiral_Chicago, yeah. But my friend told me that he has send to one friend an email for which one he didnt know. And it said to me that it was virus ... Dunno I will try this
[08:38] <llp78> bridget_: its ot to be the wireless, but sorry i havent a clue
[08:39] <trpr> Cavallek: linux doesn't need any virus. if some company is trying to sell it to you, its not worth the purchase
[08:39] <bridget_> lip78: Okay. Thanks.
[08:39] <trpr> antivrisu that is
[08:39] <Small_Mac> my wireless works flawlessly with feisty, it's like the connection is stronger now
[08:39] <trpr> bah. *curses fingers*
[08:39] <Small_Mac> so glad i upgraded lol
[08:39] <bridget_> Dell 1390 the BEST wireless card for.........................nothing.... hehehe
[08:40] <Small_Mac> trpr we don't need virus protection is that only because there's significantly less existing viruses written for linux, or that linux somehow jus kill virus, (ya newbie question)
[08:41] <llp78> bridget_: your wireless card is not supported - check http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=459901
[08:41] <trpr> Small_Mac: linux is just a hostile environment. ive read there are 'proof of concept' linux viruses, but none of them are really practical or a threat.
[08:41] <Small_Mac> trpr cool thx
[08:43] <Ace2016> Hi all
[08:44] <Ace2016> can anyone point me to a filesharing howto for linux, i want to share files between a virtual machine (XP in Virtualbox) and the host(feisty)
[08:47] <minty> any1 good with beryl?
[08:47] <iarwain_> hiya, can anyone help me with a mass-renaming? i have files called something_01 something_02 something_10 etc. I'd like to name them like this: something_001 something_002 etc. How do i do this?
[08:48] <BluesKaj> !beryl | minty
[08:48] <ubotu> minty: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[08:48] <Ace2016> minty: i use beryl
[08:48] <Ace2016> iarwain_: use krename, in the repos
[08:49] <iarwain_> Ace2016: i'll give that a shot, thanks!
[08:49] <trpr> ooh. neat. i was going to suggest some bash scripting but this looks much easier
[08:49] <iarwain_> trpr: well, i like bash scripting, care to tell me? =)
[08:50] <hendaus> hiya all
[08:50] <Ace2016> gi
[08:50] <Ace2016> Hi
[08:53] <iarwain_> Ace2016: i am not that good with GUI's.. Can you please help me a bit? (or give konsole commands? :D )
[08:55] <Ace2016> iarwain_: konsole command for what?
[08:55] <trpr> iarwain_: err, well you could do it with a for loop that browses over every item in the current directory. for I in *, etc. then for each item you could formulate a new name and then mv the file.. lots of little details which is why i would just use krename
[08:55] <iarwain_> trpr: ah, seems a bit too complicated then :)
[08:55] <iarwain_> Ace2016: nvm, trpr answered that question ;D
[08:56] <Ace2016> iarwain_: oh, sorry, i'm not that good with the command line, which is why i found lots of gui apps to do most things
[08:56] <Small_Mac>  is there someway to create an icon on the panel bar that links to a folder? (trying to have a squeaky clean desktop)
[08:56] <Ace2016> Can someone help me setup a samba share?  i've installed it and edited the config file as show,  then what do i do??? how do i start samba??? http://www.go2linux.org/node/98
[08:57] <epimeth> \quit quit
[08:57] <trpr> Ace2016: try sudo /etc/init.d/samba start
[08:57] <iarwain_> Ace2016: you start samba with 'sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart' restarting if samba is already started, so it reloads your smb.conf
[08:58] <iarwain_> Ace2016: you don't happen to know how to make 2 digits 3 digits? like file01.jpg => file001.jpg? with krename though =)
[08:59] <trpr> Ace2016: also, after editing your smb.conf file, run 'testparm' to double check the syntax is correct
[08:59] <Solifugus> Where can I specify a program to start up automatically after boot?
[09:00] <llp78> Solifugus, system services
[09:00] <dominik_> hello world
[09:00] <jetsaredim> how do I switch from blackdown java to sun java?
[09:01] <Ace2016> sudo update-alternatives --config java
[09:02] <jetsaredim> Ace2016: how do I switch the firefox plugin?
[09:02] <simi> hey i am new with kubuntu and i cant get no sound
[09:02] <Carnage59> hello
[09:03] <simi> can someone help me
[09:03] <dominik_> I was wondering if anyone could help me, I have a Kubuntu 6.06 LTS installed, but it has stopped getting updates.
[09:03] <Small_Mac> simi: hmm ur on feisty? i think i had that on edgy b4, forgot how i did it, but with feisty everything's fine
[09:03] <Carnage59> # Un shoot-them-up en 3D filaire. Superbe !
[09:03] <Carnage59> # vegastrike : Simulation de c
[09:04] <Ace2016> iarwain_: use krename's gui wizard for new users, add the files to the list, next, tell it to rename the input files and to create an undo script, then go to Name: pick custom from the dropdown, give it the part that stays the same, e.g, archive_part, then in suffix: pick number, then change the number of digits, and leave the starting number to zero, that'll do it, it'll make archive_part001.zip (if zip was the original
[09:04] <Ace2016> extension)
[09:04] <dominik_> when I use the apt-get command, it says its trying to connect to remote server,  but nothing happens
[09:05] <simi> small mac: feisty?
[09:05] <Ace2016> dominik_: sure there are updates? what are you looking for?
[09:05] <MaTiAz> How do I get rid of Katapult? It's annoying when it pops up when I accidentally press alt and space :|
[09:05] <dominik_> Ace2016: it stopped updating about 4 months ago
[09:06] <Ace2016> dominik_: maybe there aren't any updated packages
[09:07] <Ace2016> trpr: now that samba has been started how do i connect to it from windows?
[09:07] <dominik_> normally, there used to be icon at the system try to indicate updates and security updates...that doesn't come up anymore
[09:07] <simi> small mac: what is feisty
[09:08] <Ace2016> Kubuntu 7.04, codenamed Feisty Fawn
[09:08] <trpr>  Ace2016: from windows? search for computers or network neighborhood. it will show up like its just another windows machine
[09:09] <Ace2016> ok thanks
[09:09] <trpr> Ace2016: there is some more work involved to get pw based login working, but the security level 'share' should work at this point without any more config
[09:09] <dominik_> I think there must be a problem somewhere, I even installed Kubuntu on another machine, and I can't get updates for that too
[09:10] <simi> Do anyone know, how i set my sound on kubuntu 6.06?
[09:10] <payam> no
[09:11] <Ace2016> simi: set volume? try kmix
[09:11] <simi> not the volume, the soundcard itself
[09:12] <iarwain_> Ace2016: got a problem, they still won't line-up correctly, something_10 still comes before something_2 .. that's what i'm trying to correct xD
[09:13] <simi> there s a red cross over the speaker
[09:16] <dominik_> thanks guys, nothing is working for me. I will have to go back to Windows
[09:16] <Ace2016> iarwain_: select something_0 > something_9 then convert them to something_000 to something_010 then do 11 to 99, and your done
[09:16] <iarwain_> Ace2016: will try, thanks!
[09:16] <jacques> hi
[09:16] <Ace2016> hi
[09:17] <trpr> dominik_: heh. try sudo apt-get update
[09:17] <jacques> How can I type this symbol in console
[09:17] <trpr> dominik_: all your sources update correctly?
[09:17] <Ace2016> jacques: copy and paste?
[09:17] <Pensacola> is there a way to make kubuntu print in reverse order, last page first
[09:17] <Pensacola> by default?
[09:17] <jacques> ~/.kde
[09:17] <jacques> I can not find it
[09:17] <simi> help
[09:17] <jacques> the first one
[09:18] <simi> heeeeeelp?
[09:18] <dominik_> I've tried sudo apt-get update it times out
[09:18] <Ace2016> jacques: thats the same as /home/username/.kde
[09:18] <Ace2016> jacques: ~ on my keyboard is next to enter above #
[09:18] <jacques> yes but i want to make autostart beryl
[09:18] <BluesKaj> dominik_, not all repos are available 24hrs/day
[09:19] <jacques> I am using an english us keyboard
[09:19] <trpr> dominik_: ok. you said you have another kubuntu installation? look at /etc/apt/sources.list and make sure each line (source) is the same
[09:19] <dominik_> they are the same...
[09:20] <simi> forget about the sound
[09:20] <rafael> ahhhhhhhhhhhh
[09:20] <trpr> dominik_: and apt-get update hangs? does it recover eventually?
[09:20] <jacques> ok I found it
[09:20] <jacques> thank you
[09:20] <rafael> :)
[09:20] <simi> another problem:how can i format a harddisk
[09:20] <dominik_> the second one is a new installation, it hangs too
[09:21] <dominik_> when it times out, it will return to the prompt
[09:21] <rafael> alguem ai do brasil ?
[09:21] <trpr> dominik_: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ .. paste your /etc/apt/sources.list file so i can take a look
[09:21] <simi> spricht hier jemand deutsch?
[09:21] <dominik_> ok
[09:21] <llutz> !de|simi
[09:21] <ubotu> simi: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[09:21] <dominik_> wait...
[09:21] <BluesKaj> !de | simi
[09:24] <weswh-> when i upgraded to fiesty i lost my trash can - how do i get there?
[09:25] <usagi__> hi i have live cd issues. when gdm loads all i see is a white screen.
[09:26] <trpr> dominik_: this is a pretty dumb question, but both pcs have internet access? that is the only thing i can think of if the sources.list file contains valid respositories
[09:27] <trpr> dominik_: but from the sounds of it, the repos in that file can't be reached.. apt-get update hangs, etc.
[09:29] <dominik_> here is the link of the paste bin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24293/
[09:30] <binks_> BluesKaj: did you look at squeak i just got home from work
[09:31] <Ace2016> is it just me or does dominik_ only have one repo enabled?
[09:33] <trpr> Ace2016: i think the addresses are invalid now, and some program commented them out
[09:33] <dominik_> Ace2016: that is the default I have on the old installation and I got updates before it stopped updating
[09:33] <usagi__> looks like only one rest are commented
[09:33] <Ace2016> trpr: well i can go to the urls
[09:33] <petr> gn
[09:34] <Ace2016> hm
[09:34] <trpr> i am just working off of the comment in the file itself. # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
[09:34] <usagi__> hmmmm
[09:34] <BluesKaj> yes binks , you mean scratch i hope ... I emailed the link to my kids
[09:35] <Ace2016> could have been any installer, i'd try uncommenting them and reloading, might work, might not
[09:35] <Emess> iv got a windows box with wifi and i need to share that connection with kubuntu over lan, anyway to do that? kubuntu currently has no internet connection
[09:35] <BluesKaj> stevec_, congrats
[09:35] <stevec_> BluesKaj: thanks! amazing how much you miss it!
[09:36] <athlon64_> whitch is the kernel module confiration at Kubuntu?
[09:36] <trpr> dominik_: try what Ace2016 suggested. uncomment (remove the preceding #) the entries.. might also try adding ... deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-updates main restricted
[09:36] <trpr> dominik_: test changes to the file w/ sudo apt-get update
[09:37] <Ace2016> athlon64_: lsmod shows loaded modules, sudo morprobe nvidia, will load nvidia, sudo rmmod nvidia will unload it, nvidia was used as an example since its the only module i know
[09:37] <binks_> BluesKaj: need to get in bath then im gonna try installing it see what its like i may also look into building a small robot with them and using linux embedded
[09:37] <dominik_> ok
[09:38] <BluesKaj> cool binks_ :)
[09:38] <lgl> galera boa noite
[09:38] <LjL> !pt
[09:38] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus.  Obrigado.
[09:38] <dominik_> trpr: how do I test changes to the file w/ sudo apt-get update?
[09:39] <lgl> algum brasileiro na area?
[09:39] <trpr> dominik_: it shouldn
[09:39] <trpr> dominik_: it shouldn't hang anymore
[09:39] <trpr> dominik_: or at least, it should update the sources we played with
[09:40] <dominik_> trpr: sorry, I still don't understand how to test changes to the file w/ sudo apt-get update
[09:40] <trpr> dominik_:' sudo apt-get update' attempts to read the file and update the sources.. it will either succeed or fail
[09:41] <LjL> dominik_: and i don't understand what the question means
[09:41] <trpr> dominik_: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_add_extra_repositories
[09:42] <dominik_> trpr: everytime I run that command, it says its trying to connect to the remote server, and after a while, it says it can not be reached and that it has timed off
[09:42] <trpr> dominik_: meaning the contents of that file are no good OR you have no internet connection OR some firewall is blocking you
[09:42] <trpr> probably a few more ORs to boot
[09:43] <dominik_> but I can browse the web, and am talking to you guys from the same computer
[09:43] <trpr> that makes me think the sources listed in that file are no good
[09:43] <dominik_> ...there's internet connection on the computer
[09:44] <trpr> dominik_: see that url i posted. there is an example sources.list file right there that looks pretty valid
[09:47] <dominik_> trpr: ok, will try it now
[09:48] <anthony__> is the interface in kubuntu vector based?
[09:48] <isaac_> hola
[09:48] <isaac_> hi
[09:51] <MinceR> i've got a notebook and the display turns black after a few minutes of inactivity (it doesn't turn off -- the backlight is still on). i've turned off the screensaver and display/power saving
[09:51] <BluesKaj> anthony__, geez I hope so :)
[09:51] <MinceR> there's no other screensaver running and i've turned off power saving with xset
[09:52] <anthony__> BluesKay: lol excuse my ignorance im a linux newbie and started off with gnome..
[09:52] <MinceR> yet it still blanks -- how can i stop this?
[09:52] <anthony__> and im thinking of switching to kubuntu..
[09:52] <BluesKaj> anthony__, just kidding of course ...i have no idea what that means :)
[09:52] <athlon64_> Im trying to exec alsaconf command but i get the error:bash: alsaconf: command not found
[09:53] <anthony__> BluesKay: i mean like.. a bitmap vs a pdf.. zooming does not distort the quality.
[09:54] <trpr> anthony__: i don't think so. from what i am reading, it is planned. konqueror has a svg plugin but i don't think the entire interface is vector graphics
[09:55] <BluesKaj> anthony__, kubuntu can do most graphics stuff including bleeding edge , but not all games will run on it from the reports what i've seen
[09:55] <Small_Mac> is there some easy way to add icons for applications to the desktop
[09:56] <trpr> ie you can set your background to a vector graphic but i don't think the widgets themselves are using them
[09:56] <trpr> i dunno. hopefully someone will correct me ;)
[09:56] <BluesKaj> Small_Mac, in thr k-menu right click on the app you want ..and a dialog box will give the options
[09:56] <binks_> trpr: http://linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/5757/1/
[09:57] <Small_Mac> BluesKaj thx alot
[09:57] <Small_Mac> BluesKaj is there some way to put the desktop icons in the kicker?
[09:58] <BluesKaj> ??
[09:58] <trpr> binks_: i think the question was if the interface used svg, not if it was possible to create/edit them. does qt currently use vector graphics? what about qt4?
[09:58] <njt88> hi fellas
[09:58] <njt88> so, I have an external  hdd that is formatted ntfs and i cant make the mofo mount#
[09:58] <Small_Mac> BluesKaj as in somehow make an icon in the k panel bar that links to say a folder that's currently on desktop, cuz i'd like no folder icon on desktop anyway =)
[09:58] <BluesKaj> k-menu=kicker Small_Mac
[09:59] <njt88> i have iuntsalled the ntfs configuration tool, but it still wont cooperate
[09:59] <Small_Mac> BluesKaj ah i meant the panel bar then, srry for the confusion
[10:00] <BluesKaj> yes the same way one puts an app on the desktop, there's a panel option too
[10:00] <binks_> trpr: yes i think it does >> http://www.digitalfanatics.org/qt4/articles/rc1.html
[10:00] <binks_> qt4 is the main reason im starting to learn c++
[10:01] <Small_Mac> BluesKaj cool thx
[10:01] <trpr> binks_: ah. neat. thanks for the articles.
[10:01] <binks_> njt88: what error you gettin
[10:01] <dominik_> bye guys...am fed up
[10:02] <Small_Mac> BluesKaj is there something similar for the folders that i create?
[10:02] <dominik_> i think I will stick with Windows
[10:02] <trpr> dominik_: thats your choice. sorry we couldn't fix your sources.list problem
[10:02] <BluesKaj> too bad dominik_ ...sorry to hear that :(
[10:02] <dominik_> trpr: thanks for your help
[10:03] <trpr> dominik_: np. i hope you give it another try sometime ;)
[10:03] <dominik_> I guess Linux is not for me
[10:03] <binks_> dominik_: dont give up so easy
[10:04] <dominik_> am just starring at the computer and can't make it work :(
[10:04] <dasnipa> dominik_: setup time takes the longest... but once you get everything working then you are golden
[10:04] <njt88> binks_thx for responding dude... if i try to manually mount it with sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/external   it shoows up as a folder  and if i try to go into it i get You do not have enough permissions to read file:///media/external
[10:04] <binks_> dominik_: that feeling is adictive i love it whats your problem
[10:04] <BluesKaj> yes Small_Mac , just like any other app , one can copy and paste to create a shortcut
[10:04] <dominik_> ..it feels very fustrating not to be able to install all the software I wanted to install and run
[10:05] <binks_> njt88: you need to get rid of the mount point first
[10:05] <BluesKaj> what software are referring to , dominik_ ?
[10:05] <binks_> dominik_: what you installing
[10:05] <binks_> dominik_: | repos
[10:05] <njt88> binks_  ok man.. so umount it?
[10:05] <binks_> njt88: yes
[10:05] <njt88> done
[10:06] <trpr> binks_: i think his sources.list is borked. apt-get update hangs forever. the file he posted to pastebin had mostly commented out sources w/ comments saying they couldn't be validated
[10:06] <njt88> binks_ then?
[10:06] <dominik_> I have been using windows over the years, and wanted to try out Linux by installing LAMP and do a small project with it, but..nope, it can't get any updates
[10:06] <binks_> dominik_: | !repos
[10:07] <BluesKaj> well , one can always delete the sourceslist and generate a new one that works
[10:07] <binks_> njt88: have you ot ntfs config tool installed
[10:07] <dominik_> binks_: it can not connect to update centers to download updates
[10:07] <binks_> dominik_: are you on dapper edgy of fiesty
[10:07] <Small_Mac> BluesKaj hmm, ok, a little confused =) but, so if i have a desktop folder right now, could i add a link to that folder onto the k panel bar, this is only a minor thing, don't worry about it if i'm being too confusing =)
[10:07] <dominik_> I can't download apache
[10:07] <binks_> dominik_: are you on a nat
[10:07] <binks_> ie internal lan
[10:08] <dominik_> am on Kubuntu 6.06 LTS
[10:08] <njt88> binks_  i do
[10:08] <BluesKaj> dunno Small_Mac , lemme try that ..hang on
[10:08] <dominik_> yes, I have a router
[10:08] <binks_> njt88: now run it it should pick up your ntfs drive
[10:08] <Small_Mac> BluesKaj thx alot
[10:09] <njt88> binks_ the top option of enable write support for internal device is greyed out and the enable write supprt for external device IS checked
[10:09] <binks_> dominik_: the prob i think is you need to add the default gate to a config file gis a sec i will try to remeber which one
[10:09] <binks_> njt88: thats right
[10:09] <dominik_> ..but it used to work before, but it stopped a few months back, I tried installing Linux on another machine yesterday, it still can't get updates or download programs
[10:09] <njt88> ok due... but then it wont auto mount#
[10:10] <binks_> njt88: ust a sec ill redo mine seee what happens
[10:10] <njt88> binks_ cool thx
[10:11] <BluesKaj> Small_Mac, just drag the folder into the panel and choose "add as file manager url"
[10:12] <binks_> njt88: did you go into kmenu sys settings advance discs and delete the ref to you ntfs drive
[10:12] <Small_Mac> BluesKaj omg wow, thx soo much, been looking for this for awhile, thx again =)
[10:12] <BluesKaj> hey np Small_Mac ...glad to help :)
[10:13] <Small_Mac> =)
[10:13] <njt88> binks_   ummm (???)
[10:14] <binks_> njt88: kmenu> system settings > advance tab> disk nd filesystem
[10:15] <njt88> binks_  ok dude  ... i am there, and am in the modify settings part... what now? :P
[10:15] <binks_> go into admin mode
[10:15] <njt88> binks_  yup
[10:15] <binks_> lower right
[10:15] <njt88> binks_ yup
[10:16] <binks_> njt88: ok is your ntfs drive listed and does it have a mount point
[10:16] <njt88> it is listed.  it does not appear to havbe a mount point
[10:17] <binks_> dominik_: not forgot you but ill deal with this first
[10:17] <JuJuBee_> Im using tar to backup my home dir to an external (FAT32) HD.  I need to split the tar, don't I (greater than 3GB data)?
[10:17] <binks_> hmm but still in ntfs-config you dont get the top option
[10:17] <JuJuBee_> What switch does that?
[10:18] <binks_> JuJuBee_: fat is 4gb
[10:18] <llutz> JuJuBee_: split splits
[10:18] <njt88> binks_   right
[10:18] <binks_> well have you rebooted last shot im afraid
[10:18] <binks_> !ntfs
[10:18] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[10:19] <JuJuBee_> Thought Fat was 2GB.
[10:19] <binks_> you have got fuse installed
[10:19] <njt88> binks_   i just enabled it  one sec dude
[10:19] <binks_> sorry fat32 is 4 gb
[10:21] <mark_> if I'm running kubuntu 64 is it a fair assumption that packages I install from apt-get are also 64bit (where applicable)?
[10:23] <JuJuBee_> !backup
[10:23] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[10:23] <fdoving> mark_: yes, all packages are 64bit in a 64bit install. usually.
[10:23] <BluesKaj> !Feisty-64bit
[10:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about feisty-64bit - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:23] <lars__> kennt jemand nen Dreamcast emulator fr Linux (sry wenn die Frage dumm war [binn Linux noob]
[10:23] <fdoving> !de | lars__
[10:23] <mark_> fdoving: thank you
[10:23] <ubotu> lars__: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:23] <BluesKaj> !kubuntu-64
[10:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kubuntu-64 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:24] <mark_> I'm actually running a dual-boot configuration in order to compare Vista 64 (blah) and Kubuntu 64.  I just want to be sure I'm comparing "apples to apples"
[10:25] <binks_> dominik_: do you want to try my fiesty sources list
[10:25] <BluesKaj> it's not possible linux and windows ain't apple vs apples ..it's apples & oranges
[10:25] <fdoving> or apples vs. motorbikes :)
[10:26] <BluesKaj> or gawd forbis even macOSX
[10:26] <JuJuBee_> binks_ : my home dir is over 11GB...
[10:26] <binks_> BluesKaj: more like apples and sour grapes lol
[10:26] <JuJuBee_> Just checked...
[10:26] <mark_> BluesKaj: as much as I can compare two different OS that both leverage 64bit architechure
[10:26] <binks_> JuJuBee_: nice so you need to split then ive not done it
[10:27] <BluesKaj> hehe binks_
[10:27] <mag_> Hello could you help me eith wine please !
[10:27] <binks_> !wine
[10:27] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[10:27] <BluesKaj> leverage , interesting description for OS's
[10:27] <mark_> BluesKaj: I would not, for instance, install Vista 64 and compare it to Kubuntu 32, nor visa versa.  I'm a linux convert, don't get me wrong.  I just want a system in my office I can point to and say "see, this is how you compare these two platforms"
[10:28] <binks_> mark_: i see what your doin its nice to to see them running and the differences
[10:28] <BluesKaj> hmmm mark , ok , but the use of thew word apples is unfortunate for those who are mac lovers :)
[10:29] <njt88> binks_  ok, it is now mounted,  but not with writepermissions even though it is checked off in the advanced part
[10:29] <JuJuBee_> binks_ : found this...# tar -cjvp . | split -b 1024m - /mnt/backup/backup.tar.bz2.
[10:29] <mark_> binks_: and I like to think in fairness since they are the same architechure and the same hardware, the differences in performance ought to be obviously software related.  I'm eager to install Beryl so I can compare it to Aero.. though to be honest I don't think Aero will run on this box without another 1/2gig of RAM
[10:29] <JuJuBee_> Just what I needed...
[10:29] <binks_> njt88: sudo chmod -r 777 /mnt/point
[10:30] <BluesKaj> njt88, binks_ ..may i interject here , perhaps a ntfs-config install might help
[10:30] <njt88> binks_  sorted dude.   you're a star
[10:30] <njt88> BluesKaj: thats what i did
[10:30] <njt88> thx guys!!!!
[10:30] <binks_> BluesKaj: its not playing
[10:30] <njt88> you are all a credit to foss!!!
[10:31] <binks_> dominik_: read this thred  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=435985&highlight=repos+dns
[10:31] <BluesKaj> binks_ , not playing ?
[10:32] <binks_> BluesKaj: ntfs-config woulnt work i had to do it old way too
[10:32] <binks_> its a bit buggy if you already mounted drive b4
[10:32] <BluesKaj> oh ok
[10:34] <BluesKaj> it's just that i have my windows partition mounted and read & writeable but it's always mounted /enabled and i'd like it to mount when I want access
[10:34] <BluesKaj> binks_ only when I want access
[10:38] <usagi__> my kubuntu64 install stopped at 85% the disk is fine it just stopped. Any ideas?
[10:39] <PhinnFort> !ntfs
[10:39] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[10:39] <PhinnFort> !ntfs-3g
[10:39] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[10:44] <binks_> PhinnFort: install ntfs-config
[10:44] <PhinnFort> binks_: didn't do me much good
[10:44] <PhinnFort> I
[10:44] <PhinnFort> 'm trying to access an external drive
[10:44] <binks_> whats happening
[10:44] <PhinnFort> but when I'm trying to access it, hald won't accept my UID (1000)
[10:44] <PhinnFort> or so Dolphin tells me
[10:44] <binks_> !uid
[10:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about uid - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:45] <PhinnFort> and the ntfs-3g package, doesn't seem to have ntfs3g-mount
[10:45] <binks_> !fuse
[10:45] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[10:45] <binks_> i dont have an exsternal drive sorry
[10:45] <PhinnFort> found it, it just wasn't executable by my user
[10:46] <binks_> :) another happy customer
[10:46] <PhinnFort> ;)
[10:46] <PhinnFort> well, not yet
[10:46] <PhinnFort> but now I have the tools, at least
[10:47] <PhinnFort> argh... the disk wasn't ejected cleanly
[10:48] <njt88> binks_    thx dude.  totally 100% sorted.  even after a full reboot.  :D:D:D
[10:48] <njt88> ltr!!!
[10:49] <PhinnFort> ah... it's moving files now...
[10:49] <PhinnFort> what a good feeling
[10:49] <PhinnFort> awfully slow, though
[10:50] <binks_> slow better than no :0
[10:51] <PhinnFort> I guess;)
[10:51] <PhinnFort> it actually isn't that slow either, it's just that "mv" doesn't show a progress bar or anything
[10:51] <mark_> quick; what's the CLI web browser called?
[10:51] <PhinnFort> markl
[10:51] <PhinnFort> mark_: links
[10:51] <PhinnFort> Beer load [  \                  ]  12%
[10:51] <PhinnFort> Beer load [  \                  ]  13%
[10:51] <PhinnFort> sorry:P
[10:52] <mark_> Phthanks
[10:52] <mark_> PhinnFort: thanks
[10:52] <PhinnFort> yw
[10:52] <PhinnFort> darn those with similar nicknames
[10:52] <binks_> PhinnFort: looool
[10:52] <PhinnFort> :P
[10:52] <angasule> which MSN clients can check who has you blocked? I think gaim can do it? can kopete? how?
[10:52] <PhinnFort> angasule: none, afaik
[10:53] <PhinnFort> angasule: not anymore, at least
[10:53] <angasule> PhinnFort: bummer
[10:53] <PhinnFort> angasule: they changed something in how you blocked people, and now it doesn't work anymore
[10:53] <angasule> oh? they finally fixed it so it's serverside only?
[10:53] <PhinnFort> something like that
[10:53] <angasule> ah, good, I guess
[10:53] <binks_> kopete s by far my fav
[10:53] <PhinnFort> same here;)
[10:55] <angasule> yeah, kopete is the best, but I had to check for that and I remembered gaim doing it
[10:55] <PhinnFort> <3 Kopete <3 all the way
[10:56] <christian__> Hallo
[10:57] <PhinnFort> hallo
[10:57] <PhinnFort> !hi | christian__
[10:57] <ubotu> christian__: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[10:59] <Small_Mac> is there some way to configure the universal sidebar so that its full length does not extend to the bottom of the screen, and so that i can shrink it and have it align in the middle on the left side
[11:05] <binks_> nn all
[11:11] <Small_Mac> is there someway to configure the kubuntu universal sidebar to shrink its panel length?
[11:12] <rodrigo> ola
[11:12] <rodrigo> alguien que hable ezpanol
[11:12] <rodrigo> _
[11:12] <angasule> !es
[11:12] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[11:12] <rodrigo> okey
[11:14] <MinceR> bye
[11:15] <Small_Mac> is there someway to configure the kubuntu universal sidebar to shrink its panel length?
[11:15] <jujimufu> I have downloaded gnome-bluetooth, bluez, gammu and wammu, and I have set up gammurc to have a pin, namely 5432. But when I run wammu and it detects my phone, on my phone I am asked whether I want a connection with the computer. I say yes, and it asks for a password. I put the password I have pre-arranged, but it says "connection failed". Any ideas?
[11:20] <Yorokobi> Does Konqueror have an scp hook (similar to smb:///) ?
[11:25] <trpr> Yorokobi: i think its fish://
[11:26] <Yorokobi> trpr, yup. Thanks.
[11:37] <ferox> does anyone know how to enable/disable kde system tray?
[11:37] <GrahamA> Remove it?
[11:38] <see-g> ferox: my guess: right-click on a free area of the kicker, -> remove from panel -> applet -> system tray
[11:38] <GrahamA> Yeah.
[11:38] <see-g> (sometimes you have to go into the "panel menu" first)
[11:39] <GrahamA> Also you can't do it when panels are locked.
[11:39] <vlt|home> Hello. Does anyone know what file format ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/konq_history is? -- Doesn't really look very XML ;-)
[11:39] <see-g> ...and does anyone here know how to read a Palm Pilot-database on my comp?
[11:39] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[11:39] <freddi> moin hab mal ne kurze frage wei jemand wie man so ein java sachen startet ubuntu
[11:40] <see-g> (I just got a database with some texts I'd need to read but don't have a Palm Pilot to read it on)
[11:40] <see-g> freddi: you've hit the english-speaking kubuntuchannel ;) try #kubuntu-de
[11:40] <see-g> freddi: versuch's mal mit java <dein Programm>?
[11:40] <freddi> ok thank you man
[11:41] <ActionParsnip> does anyone use mail-notification
[11:41] <ActionParsnip> or can suggest an alternative?
[11:43] <ferox> see-g: are u able to do that?
[11:43] <GrahamA> ActionParsnip: Apparently not.
[11:43] <ActionParsnip> GrahamA: oh well
[11:44] <ActionParsnip> I just want email so that when i minimise it it doesnt sits out of the way like Outllok does
[11:44] <ActionParsnip> Outlook
[11:44] <ActionParsnip> so i get continual email notifications
[11:44] <ferox> see-g: i'm a stupid newbie
[11:45] <ferox> i did it
[11:45] <NotFaint> Hey, I know how there's stuff like lspci and whatever else; does anybody know of a command I can use to get serial numbers of hard drives?
[11:45] <see-g> ferox: congratulations :)
[11:45] <ferox> i founded my systray :)
[11:45] <NotFaint> Er not serials but models, you know -- WD800BBQLOL etc
[11:47] <see-g> NotFaint: maybe hdparm -i (your device) is what you are looking for
[11:48] <see-g> you'll probably have to sudo it
[11:48] <NotFaint> see-g: I'll give it a shot, thanks.
[11:48] <NotFaint> see-g: hah, weird, that just gave me the parameter list, but in that list is exactly what I typed
[11:48] <NotFaint> oh duh heh gotta have device
[11:49] <gdiebel> NotFaint: sudo hdparm -I /dev/sda (substitute device)
[11:49] <see-g> sudo hdparm -i /dev/hda would be a basic thing ;)
[11:49] <NotFaint> yeah, got it, running slow today
[11:49] <NotFaint> found what I wanted exactly, thanks all
[11:50] <NotFaint> back to work I go :P
[11:50] <see-g> another way to find that information would be 1) take a screwdriver b) open your computer's case c) pull out the hdd you're looking for d) read the label e) put it back together
[11:51] <Small_Mac> how configurable is the kde universal sidebar, can i shrink its length?
[11:51] <see-g> goodness me, I'm stupid to stick to having such a list in 1 2 3 4 5 or a b c d e...
[11:51] <see-g> add a "too" to that line
[11:52] <jthomas> Small_Mac: sure; right click it, configure.  Pick the sidebar from the drop-down at the top, and configure away...
[11:52] <jthomas> Small_Mac: maybe not!  this is the first i've used it, so i just assumed so.  My mistake.
[11:54] <Small_Mac> jthomas o yeah np at all thx for the suggestions, i first used it today too =)
[11:55] <jthomas> i just added a new Panel to auto-hide on the left and only hold the QuickLauncher and only be as big as the number of apps requires.  Kinda like the OSX launcher thing, but no zooming :(  but its better since it hides, and it update as i use software.  Very awesome, i am really into it.  Why isn't KDE/Kubuntu set up with a bit more zazz like thse types of things?
[11:55] <jthomas> the default Kubuntu is very boring, and too many people are afraid of computers to really try to change much.  They get stuck with boring forever!
[11:57] <ActionParsnip> jthomas: KUbuntu has a very clean look
[11:58] <ActionParsnip> jthomas: I like it
[11:59] <jthomas> ActionParsnip: the purple and grey?  i don't... but i guess thats part of why linux rocks, so much to choose from and customize...
[11:59] <ActionParsnip> jthomas: I have KDE blue, the ultramarine theme for eryl
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> *Beryl
[12:00] <jthomas> ActionParsnip: so you change it too.  meaning the default bores you.
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> jthomas: but yes it is very customisable
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> jthomas: some folk prefer very basic Windows Managers to increase speed
[12:00] <jthomas> ActionParsnip: of course it is, but why not try to distinguish it a bit from all the other KDEs out there?
[12:01] <jthomas> ActionParsnip: i get that, but they wouldn't use KDE then
[12:01] <ActionParsnip> jthomas: I just check my mail and browse the web a little, I dont hover on my PC loads. I use KUbuntu cos its easy to use and I dont have to worry about all these Windows viri
[12:02] <jthomas> i just think that too many KDEs look similar.  If Kubuntu wants to stand out, a bit more visual bling would be good.
[12:02] <illriginal> Anyone know of a P2P program (Not Torrent) that is for videos only or has videos to download?
[12:02] <jthomas> DemocracyPlayer
[12:02] <ActionParsnip> jthomas: If you want a sweet wallpaper for free hit http://www.vladstudio.com
[12:02] <jthomas> illriginal: Democracy player, just renamed Miro
[12:02] <ActionParsnip> its got some straight banging pics
[12:02] <jthomas> ActionParsnip: I'll check it, thanks!
[12:03] <ActionParsnip> jthomas: do you use email-notification
[12:03] <illriginal> jthomas, is that a player? Or a client that I can use to download videos?
[12:04] <jthomas> illriginal: both
[12:04] <illriginal> so i should use sdo apt-get install Miro?
[12:04] <illriginal> sudo*
[12:04] <jthomas> illriginal: it does RSS feeds, torrents, Google Video stuff, downloads, playes, saves, updates.... its awesome
[12:05] <illriginal> nice
[12:05] <jthomas> illriginal: i don' think it is named Miro in the repos yet, that just happened today.  Use Adept to look for Democracy, or check Google for the website
[12:05] <jthomas> ActionParsnip: i use Gajim for chatting with Google Gmail, and it tells me if i have emails
[12:06] <jthomas> ActionParsnip: but generally, not really.  i always have emails :)
[12:06] <ActionParsnip> fair point :)
[12:06] <ActionParsnip> hmm idea
[12:06] <ActionParsnip> jthomas: thanks man :)
[12:06] <jthomas> ActionParsnip: yep!
[12:07] <sercik> ActionParsnip: what do you think about my desktop? Is kubuntu!! http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=schermata1yh9.png
[12:09] <ActionParsnip> sercik: just checking, my connection is slow today for some weird reason
[12:10] <sercik> no problem i'm happy that you check it!
[12:13] <ActionParsnip> sercik: looks nicee man'
[12:14] <sercik> thank you!
[12:14] <sercik> i have been inspired by linuxmint!


[00:05] <daftykins> i don't even use this old ADSL2+ service but i found this amusing in the local paper today
[00:06] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/0if1ft7dyhapj9t/IMG_20141120_201259.jpg?dl=0
[00:21] <diddledan> a whopping 256Kbit/s increase
[00:21] <diddledan> nice
[00:21] <daftykins> :D
[00:22] <daftykins> stingy amirite?
[00:22] <diddledan> they could have left the downstream at the fairly reasonable 16Mbit/s and dedicated the extra speed entirely on upstream capacity
[00:23] <daftykins> aaaaw yis
[00:23] <diddledan> which they would have done if they really did care about customers' upload speeds
[00:24] <daftykins> i think they really want everyone to move to the VDSL2 i'm on
[00:24] <diddledan> yip
[00:24] <daftykins> they've been pretty active on it, phoning everyone up O_O
[00:26] <diddledan> prolly has a better profit margin
[06:36] <map> hey all
[07:57] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:59] <diplo> Morning all
[09:15] <DJones> I could spend hours looking at this website http://www.scapaflowwrecks.com/ I don't think I'd ever heard the story behind it before
[09:17] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:18] <MooDoo> morning
[09:23] <bashrc> morning
[09:24] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo and bashrc
[09:32] <foobarry> guy behind me gets around 1500 emails overnight he needs to review briefly each one
[09:33] <zmoylan-pi> define brief :-)
[09:33] <foobarry> he clicks the mouse for each one. its surprisingly annoying
[09:33] <foobarry> the delete key would be quiter and quicker
[09:33] <zmoylan-pi> keyboard shortcuts ftw \o/
[09:34] <foobarry> its like an annoying clock that ticks 3x per second
[09:34] <awilkins> Bayesian classification 4tw
[09:34] <foobarry> some people deliberately choose jobs to slow their day down
[09:34] <zmoylan-pi> that wouldn't be a review
[09:34] <awilkins> Keystrokes on my keyboard would be annoying too though
[09:34] <zmoylan-pi> a lot of thinking can be done while performing mundane tasks
[09:34] <awilkins> I have a Model M
[09:34] <foobarry> potentially silent
[09:34] <awilkins> And a Cherry with clicky switches for "light duty"
[09:36] <popey> how has 1500 mails guy not been automated out of this job?
[09:36] <foobarry> i was suspicous of the "free" lego model from top cshback, but looks like they will come good
[09:36] <foobarry> popey: its just the first 30 mins of his morning
[09:37] <foobarry> i would automate it though
[09:37] <foobarry> some people choose not to make their day efficient or they would have to work harder in the saved tiem
[09:37] <foobarry> public sector mentality
[09:39] <bashrc> private sector mentality more like
[09:39] <bashrc> often it's just out of ignorance though
[09:40] <popey> I used to love writing scripts to automate myself out of the loop
[09:40] <foobarry> yeah
[09:40] <foobarry> more time to do fun stuff
[09:40] <popey> in fact at Canonical one guy has made it his job to automate me out of work ☻
[09:40] <popey> (one part of my day)
[09:40] <bashrc> :)
[09:40] <foobarry> thats why some people are on the up, and some are stagnating and in fact going down
[09:42] <popey> Me and holbach used to review apps going into the store manually
[09:42] <popey> now it's automated (unless it goes wrong)
[09:44] <foobarry> computers are good at doing tedious things
[09:44] <foobarry> shame they can't do anything about the guy behind me who is eating his breakfast in a disgusting manner
[09:44] <popey> i once write an update script for a hotel in london, had to modify the phone numbers when "07" came in iirc.
[09:44] <popey> took about 30 mins to write the update code
[09:44] <popey> then spent half a day making a nice scroll bar and ETA ☻
[09:45] <popey> went to the hotel to run it on their live database, and had people crowded round the pc going Oooh, and Ahhh!
[09:45] <popey> "3 hours left!"
[09:45]  * popey ♥ dBase III
[09:50]  * zmoylan-pi <3 dbase iii+ :-)
[09:55] <DJones> Ooh dBase III, thats a blast from the past, I loved the programming language you could use in that, ended up writing systems for the chemical industry back in the late 80's/early 90's using that & dbase II
[09:56] <popey> ☻
[09:56] <popey> yeah, we had to learn dBase at college and then I actually used it a fair amount.
[09:58] <DJones> Same here, by the time I'd finished that system, it took about 3 hours for staff to input data & produce a 40 page report, compared to the manual method that took a week
[09:58] <zmoylan-pi> the command line was wonderful once you mastered it
[09:59] <foobarry> when you grew up in teh 80s the command line was all there is
[10:00] <zmoylan-pi> and when you type over 100wpm it was enough :-)
[10:00] <DJones> Running on C/PM on an ICL mini computer that was about 15 feet long, 4 feet high and 2 feet deep, 8 inch floppy disks and doorstops for hard drivespace in an air conditioned room with DRS 20 dumb terminals connect with co-ax cable
[10:01] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy World Hello Day! :-D
[10:01] <zmoylan-pi> world hello day?  such a wasted opportunity for learn to program hello world day :-)
[10:02]  * directhex shouts @ visual studio
[10:06] <JamesTait> directhex, I think that qualifies as a hello. Maybe.
[10:07] <zmoylan-pi> depends what words you use...
[10:07] <directhex> sweary ones
[10:07]  * zmoylan-pi is not picturing happy fluffy greeting :-)
[10:07] <directhex> i need some msvc experts.
[10:08] <bashrc> I used visual studio back in the day and it was usable but, eh, just proprietary
[10:20]  * awilkins is not a MSVC exprt
[10:20] <awilkins> Have some experience hammering on things until they compile in MinGW though
[10:21]  * zmoylan-pi tries to think of a irc channel with less msvc folk in it... 'star trek furries fan fiction channel'? :-)
[10:22] <awilkins> "The tribble... bulged."
[10:31] <foobarry> wut
[10:34] <awilkins> You see what MSVC does? IT CAUSES HORRIBLE THINGS TO HAPPEN.
[10:48] <directhex> yay, i got it working
[10:50] <JamesTait> Apparently I'm eligible for a 30-day trial of Amazon Prime Instant Video.
[10:51] <foobarry> they have amazon student
[10:51] <JamesTait> Anyone tried it?
[10:51] <foobarry> i have an .ac.uk address, in wonder if i can do it
[10:52] <MooDoo_> :)
[10:56] <MooDoo> bloomin irc lol
[11:59] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[11:59] <intrbiz> bigcalm: morning
[11:59] <bigcalm> o/
[12:28] <MooDoo> morning BigRedS
[12:28] <MooDoo> bigcalm:
[12:36] <bigcalm> ?
[12:36] <bigcalm> Oh
[12:36] <bigcalm> Hi
[12:37] <MooDoo> yeah type doh!#
[12:53] <BigRedS> MooDoo: Oh, good morning! I've been losing terminals this morning and only just found this one :)
[12:56] <MooDoo> BigRedS: what ya playin at ;)
[12:58] <BigRedS> I think I'm just tired :)
[12:58] <MooDoo> yeah i know that feeling
[13:00] <BigRedS> yeah, I keep reattatching to my tmuxes and finding a half-finished thing...
[14:22] <arsenip> does anyone use any kind of management panels for things like email/domains/dns/etc (read plesk, webmin etc)? are they any good these days? i once ran a server using webmin, it was great for day0, made it easy to get large numbers of accounts up and running etc, but by day 365 it was a pig, slow, old and stopped me manually interacting with the configs/services.
[14:22] <foobarry> january issue of magazine out now :-|
[14:22] <foobarry> the world has gone mad
[14:23] <arsenip> surprised ive not seen more xmas junk yet actually.
[14:23] <daftykins> arsenip: what about spiceworks? does that do that kind of jazz 0o
[14:23] <arsenip> usually it crops up in august
[14:23] <arsenip> isnt spice the vnc thing?
[14:23] <daftykins> i know webmin is fully deprecated on all debian bases now
[14:23] <arsenip> maybe thats not spiceworks
[14:23] <foobarry> do you want monitoring or mgmt
[14:24] <arsenip> management, monitoring would be lovely though.
[14:24] <daftykins> spiceworks is the web admin one that you feed logins then it goes off and scans the whole network etc
[14:24] <arsenip> i mean, i can manually set up everything, ive got postgfix/dovecot/saslauthd/roundcube etc but .. i just need to set up lots of accounts/users/domains now etc
[14:26] <arsenip> im reluctant to use anything due to the potential for it to be terrible later in life and regret it, but cant dismiss wihtout at least getting some experienced opinions :p
[14:26] <daftykins> XD
[14:29] <foobarry> puppetise everything
[14:32] <arsenip> yeah but for sub 20 users - quite a lot of effort
[14:33] <foobarry> yep
[14:33] <arsenip> especially as puppet is just as likely to go out of date, or atleast teh scripts will do
[14:33] <arsenip> i want zero maintenance :D
[14:33] <foobarry> sub contract it
[14:33] <arsenip> (this is just for my personal mail / web etc ) :D
[14:33] <foobarry> i left a whole infrastructure of 60 servers and 150 desktops for a couple of years
[14:34] <foobarry> zero maintenance
[14:34] <arsenip> i did that.
[14:34] <arsenip> now im back, migrating it to the 21st centure
[14:34] <foobarry> security updates auto updated
[14:34] <arsenip> century..
[14:34] <foobarry> mgmt via puppet
[14:34] <foobarry> ran itself
[14:34] <arsenip> ive virtualised everything of mine, so  i can move vz containers around in future. makes it easy
[14:44] <BigRedS> I use Postfixadmin for mail
[14:44] <BigRedS> to answer your qestion of 14:22
[14:45] <BigRedS> but other than that, not really. My job is to look after servers, though, so I'm more used to doing in the shell than using a control panel
[14:45] <BigRedS> I like Webmin, though, for not conflicting with 'normal' configuration
[14:51] <arsenip> looks like ajenti is similar, but maybe more modern
[14:51] <arsenip> likewise BigRedS - im a sysadmin, but i dont run lamp/email stuff anymore and dont really have time to set things up in the way they should be.
[14:51] <arsenip> automated monitoring of ~everything would be nice.
[14:54] <BigRedS> I wrote a script for installing postfixadmin
[14:54] <BigRedS> And generally don't bother changing things :
[14:54] <BigRedS> :)
[14:57] <foobarry> how can i extract the value of issues from an xml file and show it in an html page?
[14:57] <foobarry> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><issues total_count="4" offset="0" limit="25" type="array">
[14:57] <BigRedS> 'issues' doesn't have a value there
[14:57] <foobarry> i wanted to show total_count
[14:57] <foobarry> sorry
[14:57] <BigRedS> but, generally, either with a parser or a regex depending on your fondness for cthulu
[14:58] <foobarry> i can do it for <OPEN>14</OPEN>
[14:58] <BigRedS> what's generating the HTML page? what else is it doing? the better way to do this bit depends on what's already in place
[14:59] <foobarry> i have a page similar to http://www.w3schools.com/xml/tryit.asp?filename=tryxml_display_table
[14:59] <foobarry> i've done this before but can't find it anywhere
[15:01] <BigRedS> ah, javascript!
[15:01] <BigRedS> can't help with that, I'm afraid
[15:49] <foobarry> \o/ sorted it
[15:52] <BigRedS> whoop!
[16:02] <markp> hm
[16:02] <markp> so tired
[16:02] <diddledan> morning
[16:03] <markp> i was watching cant pay we'll take it away again - and its staggering how many people just DON'T pay rent..like 12months asnd stuff where they've not paid a penny
[16:04] <markp> and yet they're more often than not recieving ousing benefit..so they've blown it all ? then get re-housed
[16:04] <markp> i can totally see why everywhere I've rented always said no DSS
[16:04] <markp> not worth the risk
[16:08] <daftykins> :S
[16:08] <daftykins> idiots living life consequence free
[16:09] <daftykins> hrmm just linked up a wix.com website to a clients domain - she'd made her site with them 0o
[16:09] <daftykins> interesting service that
[16:09] <daftykins> i refused to switch to their name servers though :P
[16:44] <markp> omg this deep forest music is so cool
[18:32] <diddledan> new site has just gone live which I built
[18:32] <diddledan> fully responsive
[18:33] <daftykins> ;O!
[20:30] <mapps> well thats a pain
[20:30] <mapps> cant get any cider..they stop serving at 9
[20:30] <mapps> :(
[20:42] <daftykins> wat
[20:43] <mapps> yes
[20:43] <mapps> outrageous eh
[20:43] <mapps> caught up with gotham:D just watched e8
[20:43] <mapps> 1 more to go yay
[20:46] <daftykins> not touched that'un
[20:46] <daftykins> don't even know what it's about
[20:48] <mapps> pfft
[20:48] <mapps> :D
[20:54] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/wi3k5wlrhqbc31a/IMG_20141121_190804.jpg?dl=0
[20:54] <daftykins> never heard of this Guinness original before 0o
[21:16] <Terminal> How do i install a patch?
[21:17] <diddledan> patch -p1 < ../path/to/patch
[21:18] <Terminal> eh?
[21:18] <diddledan> patches require source code and compilation capability
[21:18] <Terminal> i dont have a clue what your on about son, i want to install this: http://patchwork.freedesktop.org/patch/37073/
[21:18] <diddledan> if you are unsure about compiling software yourself then you should find a ppa where it's already built for you
[21:18] <daftykins> 'son' - oh dear.
[21:19] <directhex> i'd do it for him if he didn't act like a knob.
[21:19] <daftykins> oh it's THAT user again
[21:19] <daftykins> yeah you're on your own.
[21:19] <Terminal> jesus chirst i thought a change of username would hide myself
[21:20] <diddledan> !language | Terminal
[21:20] <daftykins> your obnoxious attributes shine through
[21:20] <daftykins> Terminal: 32-bit still failed then huh?
[21:20] <Terminal> no no no its working prefect :) (not)
[21:21] <daftykins> can't even answer a question straight. *sigh*
[21:21] <Terminal> its working prefect. IN all honesty mate its working prefect
[21:22] <daftykins> i am not your mate.
[21:22] <diddledan> I'm guessing that's a kernel patch?
[21:23] <Terminal> i dont have a clue if its a kernel patch? Whats wrong with saying mate? I hear the english say it all the time to strangers.
[21:23] <Terminal> they dont go "hey mate" "im not your fking mate" and end up punching you unless drunk
[21:28] <directhex> diddledan, yeah, kernel patch. drm is all in kernel
[21:29] <diddledan> certainly not something a n00b is going to want to debug if it breaks
[21:29] <daftykins> someones jumping the gun a bit in general really
[21:30] <Terminal> im not a n00b.