[02:21] <ahoneybun> we have 5.6.4 out?
[04:08] <barmaley> how do I test it?
[04:08] <barmaley> 5.6.4
[04:09] <barmaley> http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=945
[04:12] <barmaley> gimme les links!!1
[07:42] <renee77> morning :)
[08:28] <crissi-> http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=945 => how i can help?
[08:36] <renee77> haven't seen one awake crissi
[08:37] <Crissi> :-D
[08:38] <renee77> not sure what status is with testing :)
[08:38] <renee77> do you know clivejo?
[08:39] <Crissi> not yet
[08:40] <acheron88> unless you are running yakkety and have a system or VM that you don't mind risking a high chance of breaking, then I don't think testing those packages from staging is wise
[08:42] <acheron88> clivejo, said yesterday "clivejo isnt very happy about people testing from staging PPA's"
[08:42] <Crissi> sure, can setup a vm of 16.04
[08:42] <renee77> lol I know he was also talking to me
[08:42] <acheron88> so I think that testing message on kubuntu wire was jumping the gun a bit on those packages
[08:43] <Crissi> i think you should know what you are doing when you do testing ;)
[08:43] <acheron88> if you do and cam fix breakages, then good
[09:10] <Crissi> btw: is the issue with missing kipi plugins on gwenview fixed?
[09:16] <renee77> I am not a good reference but if I understood correctly you have to remove ald lib libkf5kipi to make plugins work with new lib
[10:05] <mparillo> I think clivejo was talking about me.
[10:06] <mparillo> Yes, I was testing 5.6.4 out of staging, and I was so excited I put out the wire post.
[10:07] <renee77> :)
[10:07] <mparillo> For me (only in a YY VM) it basically works so long as you do not absolutely need to auto-hide the panel.
[10:08] <mparillo> And I had to run ksnapshot to capture the kinfocenter shot
[10:08] <renee77> I am not there yet first hardware firmware update then vm and also going to test :)
[10:09] <mparillo> All is proceeding as I have forseen
[10:10] <mparillo> misquote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAf0QnLFS7Q
[10:12] <renee77> ha ha ha ha!
[10:12] <mparillo> Seriously, It is good to get some positive excitement about Kubuntu and yes, I recommend you only test in a VM, and last, if the devels do not want to answer because it is too early (they prefer testing from landing), blame me and not them.
[10:15] <renee77> I did not blame anyone was having some problems with wireless and lts where also after fresh again ppa staging was selected
[10:15] <renee77> used partition magic to shred hdd and ssd
[10:16] <renee77> but really dont mind getting in to trouble it is the way I learn fastest :D
[10:17] <renee77> ment fresh install :)
[10:54] <clivejo> mparillo: not at all, Im running from staging too!  But you have to understand the risks and never use it on a production system
[10:55] <clivejo> we just don’t have the people power to help fix systems broken by using inappropriate PPA's
[10:56] <clivejo> my call for testers was to actually test if the packages installed sucussful!
[10:57] <clivejo> following the headache of the kde-l10n conflicts
[11:00] <mparillo> Well in my case, not only was the installation successful, except for the panel thing, and possibly the 'extra' activities (I will re-test both on real hardware when they move to -landing), I think Plasma 5.6.4 is great. And as you note, kde-spectacle is not part of plasma. Though maybe the big SC code-drops had their purpose.
[11:16] <acheron88> working nicely in a VM here.
[11:17] <clivejo> can anyone shed any light on the networkmanager problem in Xenial?
[11:18] <allee> clivejo: bug#?   FWIW: DHCP is working for me.  Only adding a static IP setup failed.
[11:19] <allee> clivejo: FYI: yy upgrade 5,21,5.6.3 -> 5.22,5.6.4  in a VM without problem!    Great job!
[11:19]  * allee hugs clivejo
[11:20] <clivejo> allee: it started as one bug, but has kinda grown!
[11:22] <allee> uh, family wants my attention.  I'll have a look later, if someone lemme know what/where to start bug hunting
[11:22] <clivejo> Bug 1569674
[11:23] <acheron88> wifi fine here in xenial
[11:24] <clivejo> what version network manager you got installed?
[11:25] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager
[11:26] <allee> clivejo: wifi & DHCP & VPN(cisco) works at home and at work
[11:26] <acheron88>  1.1.93-0ubuntu4
[11:27] <clivejo> thats the one I made the patch for
[11:27] <clivejo> the problem is the 1.2.0 release currently in proposed
[11:28] <acheron88> I don't install from proposed on a released distro, unless it specifically has something with a fix I need.
[11:30] <allee> clivejo: yeah.  Creating a Static IP setup failed for me too with nm in xx  release.  I'll can try proposed later
[11:30]  * allee afk
[11:31] <acheron88> oh well. what I have works so I'm not messing with it ;)
[11:31] <clivejo> if you are on networkmanager 1.1.93 the networkmanager-qt package in my PPA should fix that problem
[11:32] <clivejo> but if you have nm 1.2 then all hell breaks loose and you will probably kill plasma-nm altogether
[11:33] <acheron88> is this specifically plasma/qt-nm prob?
[11:33] <clivejo> nm-qt seems to be a wrapper for nm
[11:35] <clivejo> yofel tried to upload the patch but nm 1.2 is sitting in Xenial proposed
[11:37] <acheron88> so it's nm itself? i.e. the nm-applet from xfce4 would also do the same?
[11:38] <clivejo> I dunno
[11:38] <acheron88> just asking, as I sometimes use that, even in plasma.
[11:38] <clivejo> Xenial shipped with this bug
[11:38] <acheron88> must have been lucky not to hit it then
[11:38] <clivejo> mainly affected people with VPN's
[11:39] <renee77> I didnt have VPN
[11:40] <clivejo> the main problem, in my opinion is that Xenial shipped with a beta of NM
[11:41] <clivejo> version 1.1.93 is not a version that should be in an LTS!
[11:41] <clivejo> someone has spotted that and packaged 1.2 and uploaded it to proposed
[11:41] <acheron88> lucky they spin new isos for the LTS point releases then!
[11:41] <acheron88> assuming fixed by then...
[11:42] <clivejo>  giving us 1.2.0-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[11:56] <thefarid> hi
[11:57] <thefarid> kubuntu is sutable for 2 gb ram or 1 GHz processor
[11:58] <thefarid> AMD process
[13:01] <soee_> preo/
[13:29] <clivejo> yofel: ping
[13:40] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
 Hoho
 *hiho
[14:00] <BluesKaj> mparillo:  just upgraded ..already there, 5.6.4 plasma version
[14:01] <mparillo> BluesKaj: You used -staging on YY?
[14:01] <BluesKaj> any fixes to the activities and nvidia driver problem is that a kernel issue.? Yess YY
[14:02] <BluesKaj> or
[14:04] <BluesKaj> using a low level setting for my desktop,  Xrender , no activities etc
[14:04] <mparillo> Activities seemed to work for me. I noticed a number (maybe six) stopped activities. I do miss in Plasma 4 the various activity templates. I do not know about driver problems. I test -staging in a VM. I will try on HW when they hit -landing
[14:05] <BluesKaj> mparillo:  what's your gpu?
[14:08] <renee77> graphical procces unit BluesKaj
[14:08] <renee77> processor
[14:08] <renee77> not proces
[14:11] <BluesKaj> renee77:  graphics processer unit
[14:15] <ahoneybun> clivejo I have to be on YY to get 5.6.4?
[14:16] <BluesKaj> the ppa is available for Xenial too, ahoneybun
[14:16] <ahoneybun> oh yea BluesKaj ?
 Yes Arron
[14:17] <BluesKaj> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-plasma
[14:17] <ahoneybun> do I need to disable my graphics ppa?
 5.6.4 is only done for yakkety
[14:18] <ahoneybun> 5.6.3 is in there
[14:18] <BluesKaj> ahh
 Yes 5.6.3
[14:18] <BluesKaj> sorry for the mistake, ahoneybun
 But not 5.6.4
[14:18] <ahoneybun> 5.6 was a big update the .3 is minor update
[14:18] <BluesKaj> yeah
[14:18] <ahoneybun> BluesKaj just one point off lol
[14:19] <ahoneybun> clivejo do I need to disable my graphics ppa?
[14:19] <ahoneybun> I'm using NVIDIA
 I dont know
[14:19] <BluesKaj> well 5.6.4 fixes some problems with activities I believe
 Yakkety has some issues with kernel at the monent
[14:20] <ahoneybun> my issues are with the launcher and text disappearing
[14:20] <ahoneybun> switching launchers causes favorites to reset
[14:20] <BluesKaj> ahoneybun:  same here I'm reluctant to try the nvidia proprietary driver tho ...nouveau seems to be working well here
[14:20] <ahoneybun> BluesKaj I was tempted to format this thing anyway
[14:21] <ahoneybun> but I've downloaded a few games
 I lost plasma for a few days
[14:21] <ahoneybun> also was going to give GNOME a try
[14:21] <ahoneybun> for the heck of it
[14:21] <BluesKaj> eeuew
 Due to nvidia not being able to compile the module
[14:23] <BluesKaj> the IrcsomeBot on 4.4.0-21 ?
[14:23] <BluesKaj> kernel that is
[14:27] <pursuivant> libqapt (master) v3.0.2-1-ga58eab7 * Pino Toscano: src/package.cpp
[14:27] <pursuivant> include <random> for std::default_random_engine
[14:27] <pursuivant> apparently it was implicitly pulled by other (apt?) headers
[14:27] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/libqapt/a58eab74ee9881d10e0f24a3ed216ed71ba03bf5
[14:34] <marco-parillo> I am not sure what my GPU is (I suppose VMware must emulate one), but I do know since I "upgraded" to VMware Workstation Player 12 (from VMware Player 9, I think), I have been able to crash my VM when I never could before. I prevent 90% of those crashes by turning off 3D rendering, which I never had to do before.
[14:44] <BluesKaj> nope the the nvidia prop driver isn't up to screen resolution capablity on this monitor, so the kernel module isn't patched yet
[14:53] <ahoneybun> I'm tempted to try it
[14:53] <ahoneybun> I just would need to purge that graphics ppa and upgrade
[14:55] <BluesKaj> that'sw hat I just did , your gpu may worj , my entry level 8400GS /340 driver isn't up to the task yet
[14:55] <BluesKaj> ahoneybun: ^
[14:55] <BluesKaj> work even
[14:55] <ahoneybun> I have a GT 750M
[14:55] <ahoneybun> with 364.19 now
[14:56] <BluesKaj> nice
[14:56] <ahoneybun> yet have issues playing Tomb Raider lol
[14:56] <BluesKaj> maybe my card is on the verge of the "legacy" classification
[15:30] <ahoneybun> clivejo do I need any other PPAs other then staging?
[15:31] <clivejo> ahoneybun: for what?
[15:31] <ahoneybun> testing Plasma 5.6.3
[15:31] <ahoneybun> from Staging
[15:32] <clivejo> no, I copied frameworks across, so they should all be in there
[15:32] <ahoneybun> holy... 244 package to update
[15:33] <ahoneybun> here we go
[15:36] <ahoneybun> alright rebooting
[15:37] <clivejo> that was fast
[15:37] <ahoneybun> yea decent speeds and a SSD
[15:37] <clivejo> takes me hours to update :(
[15:37] <mamarley> You should get an SSD. :)
[15:37] <clivejo> I have an SSD
[15:38] <mamarley> Oh
[15:38] <ahoneybun> internet speeds
[15:38] <clivejo> its my internet thats slow
[15:38] <mamarley> Sorry :(
[15:38] <clivejo> carrier pigeons fitted with micro sd-cards would be faster, more reliable!
[15:38] <ahoneybun> mm the login got the new wallpaper but not the loading bar
[15:39] <ahoneybun> mm About System says I'm on 5.5.5
[15:40] <clivejo> then you mustnt have got it properly
[15:40] <clivejo> there can be file conflicts
[15:40] <ahoneybun> what is that command to check the version in konsole
[15:41] <clivejo> did you check the install went ok?
[15:41] <DarinMiller> OK this is weird, I have 2 YY bare metal installs with 5.6.4 where the panel autohide/window can cover work just fine.
[15:41] <ahoneybun> mm need to do a dist-upgrade
[15:41] <DarinMiller> In fact, everything but oxygen icons work great.
[15:41] <ahoneybun> not sure why those are even on the system anymore
[15:42] <ahoneybun> I think krunner got the update lol
[15:42] <clivejo> DarinMiller: that is odd
[15:42] <DarinMiller> On Arch, 5.6.4 still suffers from the autohide issue.
[15:43] <ahoneybun> dist-upgrade is going slower then upgrade
[15:44] <DarinMiller> Can anyone give me hint on how to install mamarley's nvidia340 driver on YY?
[15:44] <clivejo> probably beacuse its actually installing files :P
[15:44] <ahoneybun> it did before
[15:44] <mamarley> DarinMiller: Just add ppa:mamarley/staging.
[15:44] <ahoneybun> I saw packages being replaced
[15:44] <ahoneybun> just my speeds are slow now
[15:45] <mamarley> But make sure you disable it once the package gets moved to the main PPA since I upload stuff there for testing sometimes.
[15:45] <clivejo> DarinMiller: add his magic PPA
[15:46] <clivejo> has anyone on Yakkety had the networking problems Xenial has seen?
[15:47] <clivejo> !info networkmanager
[15:47] <clivejo> ubottu you lie !!
[15:47] <ahoneybun> !info pa-nm
[15:47] <DarinMiller> As in the Pre-release XX option that corrupts the plasma nw icon?
[15:48] <ahoneybun> it is something like nm
[15:48] <clivejo> DarinMiller: yes
[15:49] <clivejo> there is a version on proposed1.2.0-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[15:49] <clivejo> seems to be causing a lot of problems
[15:50] <clivejo> but I havent noticed anything wrong in Yakkety
[15:51] <DarinMiller> Both my YY boxes are working fine, however my XX session is dorked.  Attempting to revert the XX session want to remove the entire KDE envioro and/or install a whole bunch of gnome stuff.
[15:53] <BluesKaj> DarinMiller, nvidia gpu driver?
[15:54] <DarinMiller> yes, nvdia760 364.19
[15:54] <clivejo> I wonder if I backported network-manager 1.2.0-0ubuntu1 from Yakkety into frameworks staging would that get me a stable base to build FW5.22 on
[15:55] <BluesKaj> purge it if it's causing probs, the kernel module doesn't build properly for the 4.4.0-21 kernel, DarinMiller
[15:55] <DarinMiller> I can easliy work around the nm issue, but everytime after wake or reboot, I have to use: nmcli --ask -p con up "Millers_5G" ifname wlp3s0
[15:56] <DarinMiller> I tried sudo ppa-purge xenial-proposed, but that did not work.
[15:57] <DarinMiller> FIles fail to dl, and warning message says:  apt-get update failed for some reason
[15:57] <BluesKaj> clivejo, I installed nm-gnome to enter my vpn settings and nmcli workwed well for connecting
[15:58] <BluesKaj> purgew the nvidia driver is my suggestion DarinMiller
[15:59] <DarinMiller> purge nvdia driver on XX to fix the nm issue?
[15:59] <DarinMiller> mamarley: you are a genious, your ppa worked awesome.
[15:59] <BluesKaj> clivejo, but there's a fix for nm in the repos ..it woked on my laptop after upgrading
[16:00] <mamarley> Not really, I just applied a quick patch to get the driver to compile against 4.6.
[16:00] <ahoneybun> alright
[16:00] <ahoneybun> on Plasma 5.6.3
[16:00] <ahoneybun> Frameworks 5.21
[16:00] <ahoneybun> Qt 5.5.1
[16:01] <BluesKaj> mamarley,on YY?
[16:01] <clivejo> ahoneybun: sounds better
[16:01] <ahoneybun> yep
[16:01] <mamarley> BluesKaj: Xenial and Yakkety.  DKMS applies the patch only if you are running 4.6, so it works fine on Xenial too.
[16:01] <ahoneybun> loads up much quieter
[16:01] <ahoneybun> *faster
[16:02] <clivejo> yeah, I noticed that with 5.6
[16:02] <ahoneybun> I get to the SDDM fast
[16:02] <ahoneybun> but loading took time
[16:02] <ahoneybun> now faster!
[16:02] <DarinMiller> More clues with the autohide issue.  After installing mamarley ppa, the YY Nvidia340 box now suffers from the autohide.
[16:03] <clivejo> seems to be driver related
[16:03] <mamarley> 5.6 loads up really fast for me too.
[16:03] <mamarley> I would guess if it is driver-related, it is caused by the driver itself and not the packaging.
[16:03] <DarinMiller> My YY nvidia960 364.19 box works fine.  Will have to add these notes to the bug report...
[16:04] <BluesKaj> mamarley, odd I just tried to install nvidia-340 on YY with plasma 5.6.4 . the monitor resolution regreesedt o a much lower setting asfter a the reboot
[16:04] <mamarley> I can't explain that, sorry.
[16:05] <BluesKaj> correction:  regressed to a much lower resolution after the reboot
[16:05] <DarinMiller> I agree, not packaging issue.  Sound more of an NVidia driver/plasma issue.
[16:06] <BluesKaj> fails to build properly ... however the nouveau is all Ireally need for now , works fine
[16:18] <DarinMiller> ovidiuflorin is a genious, he posted the fix for nm XX Pre-release issue in the bug report  (sudo apt install libkf5networkmanagerqt6=5.18.0-0ubuntu1) for bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/networkmanager-qt/+bug/1569674
[16:18] <DarinMiller> now my xx nm is back to normal, yes!
[16:19] <ahoneybun> so far running nice!
[16:19] <ahoneybun> mm some reason GDM is coming back
[16:19] <ahoneybun> suspend does work nice!
[16:20] <DarinMiller> ahoneybun: Nvidia card?
[16:20] <ahoneybun> yea
[16:20] <ahoneybun> GT 750M
[16:22] <DarinMiller> ahoneybun: Does panel autohide/window can cover work for you?
[16:22] <ahoneybun> autohide panel?
[16:22] <ahoneybun> oh those
[16:22] <DarinMiller> ahoneybun: Panel hamburger, more settings
[16:22] <ahoneybun> yea right
[16:23] <ahoneybun> both work
[16:24] <DarinMiller> ahoneybun: my XX box with intel drivers, 5.6.3 autohide fails.  With YY I have mixed results, on Nvidia box works, the other does not.
[16:25] <ahoneybun> weird
[16:26] <ahoneybun> I do have an intel built in
[16:32] <ahoneybun> mm switching to intel ..
[16:32] <ahoneybun> just trying to log out caused a lock up
[16:33] <ahoneybun> DarinMiller both work fine on my intel card
[16:39] <DarinMiller> ahoneybun: Good to know, I will update my xx Nvidia box to 5.6.3 and see what happens....
[16:39] <ahoneybun> I'm on 364.19 as well
[16:39] <DarinMiller> ahoneybun: do you use prime-select to switch cards?
[16:39] <ahoneybun> the nvidia app
[16:40] <ahoneybun> I never remember the commands
[16:40] <ahoneybun> though I should if I lock up again
[16:40] <DarinMiller> I think thats the same... but good to know..
[16:54] <DarinMiller> Cool. My skylake laptop can now finally switch between NVidia and Intel!  (YY, 364.19, kernel 4.5 rc-7)  Yes!
[17:01] <DarinMiller> XX upgrade to 5.6.3 was painless on the XX box.  Panel " window can cover" works fine!!!????
[17:02] <clivejo> DarinMiller: no file conflict errors?
[17:06] <DarinMiller> clivejo: no file conflict errors that I noticed.  Where should I be looking?
[17:06] <clivejo> when installing the packages
[17:07] <clivejo> kcm_activities.mo
[17:07] <DarinMiller> Nope. sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-plasma followed by sudo apt update followed by sudo apt full-upgrade.  No errors or issues.
[17:08] <DarinMiller> I restarted plasmashell (killall plasmashell && plasmashell &) and 5.6.3 was active.  Seemed to easy so I rebooted just to be sure.  No problems.
[17:10] <DarinMiller> Activities are working fine
[17:10] <DarinMiller> meta-tab switch no problem
[17:12] <DarinMiller> The desktop hamburger menu auto disappears, but this has been an issue since KDE4...
[17:15] <DarinMiller> If I use System Settings -> Desktop Behavior to manage my activities I don't have to fight the deskop hamburger autoclose menu issue.
[17:40]  * clivejo giggles
[17:40] <clivejo> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/05/13/microsoft_phone_support_contractors_told_to_hang_up_after_15_minutes/
[17:45] <Mamarok> lol
 I must try that technique
[18:18] <soee> hiho :)
[18:18] <clivejo> hi soee
[18:21] <soee> clivejo: do we have this language problems solved ?
[18:21] <clivejo> not sure
[19:55] <renee__> hi all
[19:56] <renee__> now on daily no nm error
[19:56] <renee__> was it fixed?
[19:57] <DarinMiller> hi renee__, it's working for me too,  not sure where/how the fix landed.
[19:57] <renee__> Because I also did upgrade firmware of nw card
[19:58] <renee__> what ppa is used for plasma 5.6.e?
[19:58] <renee__> j5.6.4
[19:59] <soee> plasma-staging
[19:59] <soee> renee__: ok YY ?
[19:59] <soee> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-plasma
[20:00] <renee__> yep
[20:00] <renee__> thanks :)
[20:01] <DarinMiller> soee: plasma-staging 5.6.4 staging working great on 2 boxes here (one old, one new)
[20:01]  * clivejo likes 5.6.4 too
[20:02]  * soee waits for backports ..
[20:02]  * clivejo waits for 5.7
[20:04] <renee__> me too ;-)
[20:04] <DarinMiller> 5.7: 2016-06-30 (per https://community.kde.org/Schedules/Plasma_5) What's in it?
[20:06] <renee__> ability to test and brick system ;-)
[20:09] <renee__> is there a testing page to fill in or just go for it?
[20:09] <clivejo> testing page?
[20:10] <renee__> were you keep track of functionality ?
[20:10] <clivejo> thats soee's job
[20:10] <renee__> in wiki refering to other page but not existing
[20:10] <clivejo> he tracks releases/features/bugs
[20:10] <renee__> ah ok
[20:11] <renee__> lol I thought every input would be welcome ;-)
[20:12] <clivejo> its is!
[20:12] <clivejo> but we need more people power!
[20:13] <clivejo> reading bug reports and triaging
[20:13] <clivejo> figuring out where the bug needs to be reported to, in order to get it fixed
[20:14] <clivejo> some bugs are Ubuntu, some are packaging issues and some are KDE source issues
[20:15] <renee__> ah I started reading but wasnt sure when I could adjust and assign bug requests I would like to start with triaging
[20:16] <renee__> Little bit scared to do it wrong
[20:16] <renee__> too
[20:16] <renee__> brb in 5 mins
[20:16] <clivejo> just ask :)
[20:26] <soee> :-)
[20:27] <soee> Telegram has snap package: https://uappexplorer.com/app/telegram-sergiusens.sergiusens
[20:28] <clivejo> License: Proprietary ?
[20:28] <clivejo> I thought Telegram was OS?
[20:30] <soee> OS ?
[20:31] <soee> ah open source
[20:31] <soee> uh dunno
[20:32] <soee> not fully OS
[20:32] <soee> https://telegram.org/faq#q-why-not-open-source-everything
[20:33] <ahoneybun> we don't have snap anyway
[20:33] <renee__> back :)
[20:34] <soee> clivejo: push the button called "backports" :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJDGcxAf9D8
[20:34] <renee__> lol
[20:34] <clivejo> I cant find that button soee
[20:35] <soee> :D
[20:35] <clivejo> where is it?
[20:43] <clivejo> soee: are you a kubuntu member?
[20:44] <soee> clivejo: no
[20:44] <clivejo> why not ?? :O
[20:45] <valorie> o/ folks
[20:45] <soee> well i do nothing important for Kubuntu, annoying others only :D
[20:46] <clivejo> hi valorie
[20:46] <soee> hi valorie \o
[20:46] <valorie> home from the cabin, cat fed, wash machine fed, happy to be home
[20:46] <clivejo> soee: you should help out
[20:47] <sgclark> hey all I am trying to fix my blog to be less cranky. technical difficulties has arisen though
[20:47] <valorie> soee: the info you feed us is valuable!
[20:48] <soee> sgclark: what happend?
[20:48] <sgclark> which part? being cranky or technical difficulties? lol
[20:48] <soee> technical stuff :-)
[20:49] <sgclark> I forgot my password it seems and kmail is taking three years to load mail. guess I should finish packaging that.
[20:50]  * clivejo can understand the kmail issue
[20:50] <clivejo> the mysql upgrade really messed kontact up for me
[20:50] <sgclark> same'
[20:51] <clivejo> Ive had to swap to webmail for my accounts :(
[20:51] <soee> sorry cant help much here, i'm using Thunderbird
[20:52] <clivejo> just cant afford to waste time waiting on Kontact to load mail
[20:52]  * clivejo suffers from lack of patients
[20:54] <sgclark> most of my mail is on gmail, but it seems I have an old email set for my blog : /
[20:54] <clivejo> do you have access to the host database?
[20:54] <sgclark> and I just discovered a bunch of mails, like important ones : /
[20:55] <sgclark> yes
[20:56] <renee__> just curious if I may ask where is your blog to find? Like to read what you've written so far :)
[20:56] <sgclark> not till I fix my last post. haha. It was written under duress
[20:57] <soee> :-)
[20:57] <renee__> ahh :)
[20:57] <renee__> I'll try to wait patiently ;-)
[21:00]  * clivejo offers renee__ a finger puzzle
[21:04] <renee__> hehe tapping impatiently ondesk -> throwing puzle out of window.......
[21:11]  * clivejo gasps in shock
[21:12]  * sgclark mutters things about kmail. Still waiting...
[21:13]  * renee__ supressing urge to search for .... ;-)
[21:13] <sgclark> 65%
[21:13]  * sgclark goes to get coffee to stay awake waiting
[21:16] <clivejo> soee: does plasma 5.6.4 work on FW5.21?
[21:16] <soee> clivejo: yes
[21:17] <sgclark> omg it just restarted at 0% no new mail shown.
[21:18] <soee> it was released after 5.6 so for sure, only 5.X should have some min version defined
[21:18] <clivejo> and the gateway ping timeout patch, what version is it fixed in?
[21:19] <soee> what patch?
[21:19] <clivejo> has the to networkmanager-qt
[21:20] <soee> ConnectionSettings: Initialize gateway ping timeout
[21:20] <soee> ?
[21:20] <soee> https://www.kde.org/announcements/kde-frameworks-5.21.0.php
[21:20] <clivejo> so its in 5.21?
[21:20] <soee> yes it is on changelog list
[21:22] <renee__> have to go (not working still needed in healthcare) will be back tomorow to be an annoing volunteer for sgclark :D
[21:22] <renee__> bye all
[21:23] <soee> bye
[21:42] <clivejo> soee: do you have pigeons?
[21:43] <soee> nope, my father does ;)
[21:43] <clivejo> you should become a pigeon fancier too
[21:44] <clivejo> and you can download oxygen-icons5 onto an micro sd card and fly it to me
[21:45] <clivejo> Ill package it and sign it and fly it back to you for upload
[22:02] <soee> clivejo: why can't you download it ?
[22:08] <sgclark> ok thunderbird to the rescue. scarlettgatelyclark.com post updated.
[22:10] <clivejo> soee: Im trying!
[22:10] <clivejo> just soooooo slow
[22:12] <soee> why? connection or source server issue?
[22:12] <sgclark> that package is massive in size
[22:12] <sgclark> even brings my net to its knees
[22:13] <soee> why don' you build it on some remote VPS?
[22:14] <soee> this way all you have to do is to connect to server and download sources on it and there usually you have ultra fast connections
[22:14] <sgclark> I cannot pay my bills much less purchase said VPS haha
[22:14] <sgclark> hense recent events
[22:15] <soee> sgclark: but cant Canonical or Kubuntu or KDE sponsor one ?
[22:15] <sgclark> dunno
[22:15] <soee> Jonahan was using some aws when was sowing how to build stuff
[22:15] <sgclark> yes I think he used Kubuntu donations for that
[22:15] <sgclark> need to ask our council
[22:16] <sgclark> of which I am not :)
[22:16] <soee> why not ? :D
[22:16] <sgclark> was a conflict, when our voting took place I was nominated for UCC
[22:17] <soee> :/
[22:18] <sgclark> clivejo: is the plasma to test only for yakkety?
[22:18] <clivejo> sgclark: kind of
[22:18] <clivejo> having issues with networkmanager-qt
[22:18] <sgclark> boo. not brave enough to upgrade.
[22:18] <clivejo> in xenial
[22:19] <clivejo> Im currently "trying" to backport frameworks 5.22
[22:19] <sgclark> ok
[22:19] <sgclark> I will carry on with applications.
[22:19] <clivejo> but this oxygen-icons package seems to die on my connection :(
[22:20] <sgclark> yeah it kills mine too
[22:20] <clivejo> took 3 attempts to download it
[22:20] <clivejo> and it seems to refuse to upload
[22:20] <clivejo> Ive told it to use sftp
[22:20] <clivejo> but it seems to be ignoring me
[22:21] <clivejo> does your upload fail on the last few k?
[22:21] <sgclark> yes
[22:21] <clivejo> do you know why is does that?
[22:22] <sgclark> not enough bandwith. I litt=erally have to unplugging computers so it can finish lol
[22:22] <sgclark> err literally
[22:23] <clivejo> what speed is your connection?
[22:25] <sgclark> suppose to be 50MB , I am pretty sure it is a sack of lies
[22:25] <clivejo> wow
[22:25] <clivejo> mine is supposed to be 8
[22:25] <clivejo> but its heavily throttled in the evenings
[22:26] <sgclark> yeah this is cable, so when it is prime, my speeds tank
[22:26] <sgclark> that is why I held a euro sleep schedule for so long, to get good speeds :)
[22:28] <valorie> I think that would be an excellent use of Kubuntu funds
[22:28] <clivejo> if this fails again Im giving up
[22:28] <valorie> AWS or whatever is useful, for anyone packaging, or learning to package
[22:29] <valorie> as long as people remember to turn them off when they're done with 'em
[22:30] <valorie> I'll ask Jon how he managed the billing and propose to the KC
[22:30] <clivejo> dont we still have to sign them locally?
[22:30] <sgclark> just the dsc and changes
[22:30] <clivejo> yup, failed again
[22:30] <clivejo> 227800k/227801k
[22:30] <sgclark> no need to bring down the sources
[22:30] <clivejo> this is so annoying
[22:32] <soee> valorie: i would first try to ask some providers like Digital Ocean, Linode, Vultr to sponsor 1-2 for us
[22:33] <clivejo> DO did give us an allowance
[22:33] <soee> and we are not using it ?
[22:33] <clivejo> dunno, Rick was in those talks
[22:34] <clivejo> there was a trello card
[22:34] <clivejo> https://trello.com/c/TT7TTgJ1
[22:36] <clivejo> first comment "We have the opportunity of $480 of Digital Ocean hosting."
[22:36] <valorie> free/sponsored is awesome!
[22:36] <valorie> we need some details about how to make use of that, however
[22:36] <clivejo> Im not sure if its still on the table
[22:37] <valorie> esp. when a new packager and an experienced person are both connected
[22:37]  * clivejo retries oxygen-icons5_5.22.0.orig.tar.xz with sftp
[22:39] <soee> valorie: i woudl first go with getting those and use them by clivejo for example
[22:39] <clivejo> I dunno how you would manage them though
[22:40] <clivejo> ie who you give access to the dashboard to spin a droplet up etc
[22:40] <soee> for those who use it
[22:40] <clivejo> oh my ISP must be listening to my complaints
[22:41] <soee> you can prepare environemtn, take a snapshot with ready to use one
[22:41] <clivejo> seem to have got a speed boost all of a sudden!
[22:41] <valorie> yay!
[22:41] <soee> when if something goes wrong, fil just restore snapshot
[22:41] <valorie> Kubuntu Developers would all have access IMO
[22:41] <clivejo> I dunno, I just feel more comfortable packaging on my own machine
[22:41] <soee> yup
[22:42] <valorie> and then grant access to learners on a case by case basis
[22:42] <valorie> not everyone has good reliable connections, so aws etc. can be a godsend
[22:43] <soee> clivejo: maybe but with VPS you dont care much about your network speed
[22:43] <sgclark> uh kde-spectacle want libkscreen
[22:43] <valorie> and for complicated stuff, working with an experienced devel can speed up learning
[22:43] <clivejo> libkscreen7?
[22:44] <soee> clivejo: i have my own VPS for gitlab, and updating it (270 MB package to download) taks few seconds :)
[22:44] <clivejo> sgclark: maybe copy over few of frameworks 5.22 to get it to build?
[22:44] <sgclark> gonna hafta
[22:45] <clivejo> soee: yes I know, but I a packaging "tool kit" locally that I like to use
[22:45] <soee> :-)
[22:47]  * clivejo face palms
[22:47] <clivejo> Im so stupid!
[22:47] <mhall119> sgclark: Jonathan has regularly requested community donation money to pay for AWS services, I think for build servers
[22:47] <soee> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZxzJGgox_E
[22:47] <mhall119> and those were always approved
[22:47] <sgclark> ah ha
[22:47] <sgclark> valorie: ^^
[22:48] <sgclark> thanks mhall119
[22:48]  * clivejo pressed Ctrl-C in terminal trying to copy the upload progress
[22:48] <soee> ;o
[22:48]  * clivejo breaks down
[22:49] <mhall119> sgclark: no problem
[22:50] <valorie> mhall119: cool, didn't know that
[22:50] <mhall119> I can go back and lookup how much it was if you'd like, but it'll have to wait until later as I'm at a conference that's just ending
[22:51] <ahoneybun> mhall119 linode sponsored SELF and they have great rates
[22:51] <ahoneybun> 10 bucks is their low tier
[22:51] <ahoneybun> but I pay 12 something with backup
[22:52] <valorie> I don't think that's important -- we'll just have to decide who has a credit card that can take the hit, and whether or not that person will do it and regularly request the funds
[22:52] <mhall119> pretty much any reasonable request for that kind of thing is likely to be approved
[22:52] <clivejo> ahoneybun: what kind of specs?
[22:52]  * DarinMiller laughing, but relating to clivejo....
[22:52] <mhall119> in the long run, marcoceppi is trying to start something where canonical will directly pay for some public-cloud hosting if you're using Juju
[22:52] <ahoneybun> clivejo https://www.linode.com/pricing
[22:52] <ahoneybun> the 1GB option
[22:53] <clivejo> DarinMiller: you know what I did?
[22:53] <valorie> ahoneybun: would be even better if they donated some to us!
[22:53]  * valorie uses linode
[22:53]  * DarinMiller I assumed you canceled your download instead of copying it...
[22:53] <mhall119> Digital Ocean may donate some, they've been doing that for other foss projects
[22:53] <ahoneybun> for sure valorie let me see if I get a email
[22:53] <mhall119> I can ask someone there if you'd like
[22:53] <ahoneybun> if not I might see them at SELF
[22:54] <clivejo> CPU would be the most useful resource
[22:54] <ahoneybun> their speeds are FAST
[22:54] <ahoneybun> to me
[22:54] <clivejo> DarinMiller: yes, killed the entire script!
[22:54] <ahoneybun> 600 BPS
[22:54] <ahoneybun> crazy
[22:55] <soee> !schedule yakkety
[22:56] <clivejo> soee: that bot lies!
[22:56] <clivejo> dont believe a word it says!
[22:56] <soee> why would he :>
[22:57] <clivejo> probably becoming self aware
[22:57] <clivejo> an attempt at humour
[22:57] <ahoneybun> clivejo they have kernel 4.5 built for 14.04
[22:57] <soee> !smile
[22:57] <soee> !hal
[22:57] <ahoneybun> !htop
[22:58] <ahoneybun> !info htop
[22:59] <clivejo> does anyone else have this bad habbit of ctrl-c from windows days?
[22:59] <ahoneybun> no I use both but know which one to use where XD
[23:00] <clivejo> I wonder can konsole be configured to not kill on ctrl-c
[23:00] <ahoneybun> not sure
[23:02] <clivejo> its not the first time Ive done that
[23:05] <clivejo> ahoneybun: can you put a timer on Linode?
[23:05] <ahoneybun> timer?
[23:06] <clivejo> to shut it down after a period of inactivity
[23:06] <ahoneybun> should be easy to script that
[23:06] <valorie> even when it is inactive they bill you though
[23:06] <valorie> says their FAQ
[23:07] <ahoneybun> if you destroy it they don't
[23:07] <clivejo> valorie: yeah, but if there was a script running that would shut it down when not in use
[23:08] <clivejo> we could go for a higher spec but only run it when needed
[23:08] <clivejo> it would only be used a few hours Id reckon
[23:09] <clivejo> log in, do your business and shut it down again
[23:19] <valorie> cool
[23:20] <valorie> I'd like the Kubuntu Developers to decide what they would find useful, and then we the KC will make that happen one way or another
[23:21] <valorie> and I'd like more KDevels!
[23:21]  * valorie looks at clivejo
[23:21] <clivejo> what?!?
[23:21] <clivejo> what have I done now?!?
[23:22] <valorie> a lot of good stuff!
[23:22] <valorie> so you should apply to be a kubuntu developer
[23:22] <valorie> I saw that Philip said ya should
[23:22] <valorie> :-)
[23:22] <clivejo> he was joking!
[23:23] <valorie> I don't think so
[23:23] <valorie> what do you think, sgclark?
[23:25] <soee> DO bills for droplets all the time utill they are destoryed
[23:26] <soee> Linux 4.6 Kernel Officially Released
[23:27] <soee> Frameworks 5.22 released
[23:27] <soee> https://www.kde.org/announcements/kde-frameworks-5.22.0.php
[23:29] <sgclark> I think, no I know clivejo should be a kubuntu developer
[23:29] <sgclark> valorie: ^
[23:37] <soee> valorie: could you take care of this vps, refounds etc. stuff
[23:37] <soee> ?
[23:44] <clivejo> soee: http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/frameworks/build_status_5.22.0_xenial.html
[23:45] <soee> +1 :]
[23:46] <clivejo> up to Launchpad now
[23:47] <valorie> soee: I would like the KDs to ask for what seems useful, and I'll find a way
[23:47] <DarinMiller> Why is there a plasma-framework 5.21 in the frameworks 5.22 packages?
[23:48] <clivejo> they are in the same PPA
[23:48] <DarinMiller> This packaging stuff still continues to spin me in circles.
[23:48] <clivejo> as I upload the 5.22 packages and they start to build the status page will slowly update
[23:49] <DarinMiller> So the 5.21 stuff will disappear?
[23:49] <clivejo> that page is just a tool to help us locate problems easier
[23:49] <clivejo> yes
[23:49] <clivejo> 5.22 overwites the older packages
[23:50] <DarinMiller> I would have expect the 5.21 stuff to be blue, not red.
[23:51] <clivejo> because the status page is displaying 5.22 issues
[23:51] <clivejo> the fact a 5.21 package is there is an issue to it
[23:51] <clivejo> so it flags it up as a problem
[23:52] <DarinMiller> OK.  I need see/help with the process all the way thru and learn to fix the problems.
[23:52] <clivejo> the link at the top takes you to the actual PPA
[23:53] <clivejo> that page is updated every 5 mins
[23:53] <clivejo> but LP is very slow at publishing packages
[23:54] <soee> clivejo: btw. regarding FW support by Plasma
[23:55] <soee> i think i once asked about it on #plasma and they said that this info is in cmake file contained
[23:56] <clivejo> soee: seeing FW5.22 is working in Yakkety, its probably best to use it as the base for plasma 5.6.4
[23:56] <clivejo> I’ve bumped all the FW dependencies so its easier this way


[01:35] <duflu> RAOF: Interesting question(?): If someone has a significantly nonlinear colour curve, could that distort some non-white colours very near #ffffff ?
[01:36] <RAOF> duflu: I don't quite get the question.
[01:36] <RAOF> The gamma tables can do approximately arbitrary things to the output.
[01:37] <RAOF> You can do any of the palletised animation if you want!
[01:37] <duflu> RAOF: I think I already answered it for myself. But yeah. I think if you need a particularly bendy curve then high values could go to unexpected places (when they actually want to go beyond white etc)
[01:37] <RAOF> Oh, no. The LUT won't ever go out of bounds.
[01:37] <RAOF> It's not actually a curve.
[01:37] <RAOF> It's a lookup-table.
[01:38] <RAOF> Approximately :)
[01:38] <duflu> RAOF: Yes I know, but if you're accounting for a particularly off display then I guess values near the edge of the gamut might stand out more than they should
[01:39] <jamesh> if you've got a gamma value of infinity, every value greater than 0 should map to 1
[01:41] <jamesh> or is that negative infinity?
[01:45] <RAOF> You're not actually programming gamma curves into the hardware, though.
[01:46] <RAOF> You're just sending 256 uint16_t values.
[01:46] <RAOF> (Also, you'd better be using the projective reals if you're talking about infinities ☺)
[02:06] <duflu> RAOF: Yes I understand how it works. Turns out I didn't need to ask the question at all though.
[02:07]  * RAOF wonders what the prompt for the question was
[02:08] <duflu> RAOF: Apparently #fefffc on one particular laptop looks very green/yellow. More than it should
[02:08] <RAOF> Maybe they should get a colorhug and calibrate the monitor :)
[02:08] <RAOF> But, yeah, laptop panels are often not excellent at colour reproduction!
[02:30] <duflu> RAOF: Apparently ColorHug2 also measure latency :)
[02:30] <RAOF> It can indeed :)
[06:11] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers!
[06:19] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[06:27] <Trevinho> Morning
[07:08] <didrocks> good morning!
[07:28] <duflu> Morning Trevinho, didrocks
[08:07] <willcooke> morning all
[08:10] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:10] <seb128> hey duflu Trevinho willcooke
[08:10] <willcooke> morning seb128, back home again?
[08:11] <oSoMoN> hey seb128, willcooke
[08:11] <willcooke> morning oSoMoN!  Trust you had a great holiday?
[08:11] <oSoMoN> I did :)
[08:12] <willcooke> Got my new laptop set up last night
[08:13] <willcooke> Think I've copied everything over
[08:13] <willcooke> But this one has a 1080 screen on the laptop, and the fonts are too small for me to read now :)
[08:13] <oSoMoN> which brand/model did you go for?
[08:13] <willcooke> Thinkpad X270
[08:14] <willcooke> it's pretty much the same as my X220
[08:14] <willcooke> which is perfect :D
[08:14] <oSoMoN> yeah, don't change something that just works
[08:14] <duflu> willcooke, oh I have been curious what the X270 is like
[08:14] <oSoMoN> I've got an X230 and I'm very happy with it
[08:15] <seb128> willcooke, yes, arrived around 9:30pm yesterday without issue
[08:15] <seb128> lut oSoMoN , bonnes vacances ?
[08:15] <willcooke> duflu, so far so good.  I went for the middle of the road i5 with a 1080p screen.  Space bar is a bit hit and miss, but everything else is fine.  Everything seems to work
[08:16] <willcooke> And most importantly, it was a real docking station
[08:16] <duflu> willcooke, backlit keyboard or not? I found on the X250 that backlit means smoother keys, and non-backlit better textured
[08:16] <willcooke> *has
[08:16] <willcooke> duflu, backlit yeah
[08:18] <oSoMoN> seb128, salut! excellentes vacances, ça fait du bien!
[08:19] <jamesh> I'm still waiting for the 1440p ThinkPad X1 Carbons that seem to be perpetually coming soon
[08:19] <willcooke> jamesh, :D
[08:19] <willcooke> I read about the "retro thinkpad" which was coming soon, but decided not to wait
[08:20] <duflu> jamesh, I think I saw they appeared recently...?
[08:20] <jamesh> If they were available, the choice between the X1 Carbon and X270 would be a lot easier
[08:20] <jamesh> duflu: oh. Let's see.
[08:20] <oSoMoN> seb128 et al.: how was GUADEC ?
[08:20] <duflu> jamesh, yep +$300
[08:25] <jamesh> duflu: thanks for pointing that out.  I guess I should go ahead and order one
[08:25] <duflu> jamesh, *shrug* sounds like a rather high premium to pay for a bit more resolution. Is the colour gamut wider?
[08:26] <seb128> oSoMoN, it was great
[08:26] <jamesh> Higher res screen, thunderbolt, and USB-C charging look nice
[08:26] <tjaalton> duflu: t470s review suggests it's brighter and has wider gamut
[08:27] <tjaalton> if they share the same panel..
[08:28] <jamesh> duflu: I'm happy to pay a bit extra if I think it'll last me a bit longer
[08:28] <jamesh> duflu: I've been on 768 line screens since my first laptop, so I guess I thought I'd skip 1080p if there was the option
[08:37] <ricotz> hello desktopers
[08:37] <oSoMoN> hey ricotz
[08:38] <ricotz> could someone change "linux (ubuntu)" to confirmed instead of released?
[08:38] <ricotz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1699772
[08:39] <ricotz> the upstreamed patches are available since over month and included in 4.4.74 which still hasnt got into a 4.4 package release
[08:40] <ricotz> (this still breaks the i386 tests suite of libreoffice and the currently included patches for CVE-2017-1000364 are not sufficient)
[08:45] <oSoMoN> done
[08:47] <didrocks> Internet is fine on the train, IRC is flaky though
[11:48] <willcooke> cyphermox, did you have any problems with audio out on your dock?
[12:21] <willcooke> hey tseliot - do you know who might be a good person to sponsor a patch for the intel va driver?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/intel-vaapi-driver/+bug/1708091
[12:21] <willcooke> cc seb128 ^
[12:35] <seb128> willcooke, that patch is commited upstream so it's going to be part of the new version and we are in sync with Debian os are going to get it by sync, but I'm fine uploading it to Ubuntu meanwhile if we think we need it
[12:36] <willcooke> seb128, ah right.  Any ideas how long that would take?  If it's < a few weeks, safe to just wait I think
[12:37] <sergiusens> sil2100: are you working on ubuntu-image these days? I have some triggered adt tests due to my snapcraft  upload to zesty but it seems the failures are in ubuntu-image itself at runtime (or potentially snapd) -><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:37] <sergiusens> can you confirm that?
[12:38] <sergiusens> ah, I see ubuntu-image already in the queue to SRU and also failing there
[12:39] <tseliot> willcooke: I think tjaalton might want to have a look at it
[12:58] <didrocks> ok, setting XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=ubuntu:GNOME works well apparently
[12:58] <didrocks> (not sure if I should capitalize "ubuntu", what do you think?)
[13:17] <sil2100> sergiusens: hey! Let me take a look
[13:18] <sil2100> sergiusens: but anyway, the ubuntu-image currently in -proposed for all stable releases is busted, there's a newer on in the unapproved queue but no one reviewed it yet
[13:19] <sil2100> sergiusens: eh, I see what the problem is
[13:20] <sergiusens> sil2100: something about fakeroot and what not, but I haven't dived into the code base
[13:20] <sil2100> sergiusens: so once someone other than me from the SRU team reviews the ubuntu-image that's in the queue it should be good
[13:21] <sergiusens> sil2100: ah, great, let me take it to #ubuntu-release, I can nudge ;-)
[13:21] <sil2100> sergiusens: since the current ubuntu-image that's in the -security/-updates pocket has the CVE fix that added the fakeroot dependency, but apparently we all missed adding it as a test dep then ;p
[13:21] <ricotz> seb128, hi, I had a look a poppler 0.57, but of course it is hit by a regression of glib-mkenums rewrite
[13:21] <oSoMoN> willcooke, the PPA we use to stage chromium updates before publication to the archive is configured to use only -security, not -updates, but I need -updates to build chromium with clang 4.0 that has recently been SRU’d to xenial
[13:21] <oSoMoN> willcooke, do you see potential issues with changing the PPA config to use -updates?
[13:22] <sil2100> sergiusens: the 1.1 in the queue has that fixed
[13:22] <ricotz> oSoMoN, rustc will eventually need llvm 4.0 too, so an update for trusty too would be great
[13:22] <mdeslaur> oSoMoN: you can't build security updates if -updates is enabled
[13:24] <oSoMoN> mmm, that's annoying, I was really counting on being able to use clang 4.0 in xenial
[13:24] <mdeslaur> oSoMoN: do a no-change rebuild of clang 4.0 in your ppa as xenial-security
[13:25] <mdeslaur> oSoMoN: and remember to tell chris to release it at the same time chromium is released
[13:25] <oSoMoN> that’s a neat trick
[13:25] <mdeslaur> oSoMoN: ie: "No change rebuild in the -security pocket." as the changelog
[13:26] <oSoMoN> mdeslaur, does it need to be released though? it’s a build dep only, so keeping it in the PPA should be fine, no?
[13:26] <mdeslaur> well, we release no change updates to the -security pocket all the time, it makes subsequent updates a lot easier
[13:26] <ricotz> oSoMoN, mdeslaur, meaning firefox 56/57 will need llvm 4.0 too
[13:26] <oSoMoN> mdeslaur, ok, I'll do that then
[13:27] <ricotz> a no-change rebuild will of course not work for trusty/14.04
[13:27] <oSoMoN> ricotz, can you file an SRU? I'm not sure who would handle it and how much work that would represent, but that should be the first thing to do
[13:28] <ricotz> it is basically the same a done to llvm 3.9, I would assume chris will do it
[13:28] <cyphermox> willcooke: not that I noticed, but I use some good USB speakers
[13:29] <mdeslaur> ricotz: llvm-toolchain-4.0 is already in xenial-updates
[13:29] <mdeslaur> ricotz: is that what you need?
[13:29] <ricotz> mdeslaur, I am talking about trusty
[13:29] <cyphermox> willcooke: how should I test? plug in something in the audio jack on the dock?
[13:29] <willcooke> cyphermox, yeah, audio jack in the dock.  I've done some more googling - looks like a common problem
[13:30] <mdeslaur> ricotz: oh! sorry, right, someone needs to port it...perhaps ask chris what the plans are and/or what needs to be done when he's back from vacation
[13:31] <ricotz> mdeslaur, he is hard to catch though
[13:31] <mdeslaur> ricotz: have you tried beer?
[13:31] <ricotz> heh
[13:31] <mdeslaur> :)
[13:33] <cyphermox> willcooke: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Logitech-OEM-S150-Speaker-System/dp/B000XUQ2LI/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1501680751&sr=8-8&keywords=logitech+speakers
[13:34] <ricotz> mdeslaur, would be great to get some response on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rustc/+bug/1701556 with some further plans on https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ubuntu/rust-updates/+packages
[13:34] <cyphermox> they're inexpensive and work quite well :)
[13:36] <oSoMoN> mdeslaur, do you know when chris gets back from vacation?
[13:38] <seb128> oSoMoN, he's not on VAC but at GUADEC to discuss mozjs/gjs maintainance
[13:38] <seb128> oSoMoN, he's back from that tonight iirc
[13:38] <mdeslaur> ah, that's why I couldn't find it in the calendar
[13:38] <ricotz> oSoMoN, mdeslaur, regarding llvm 4.0, of course 4.0.1 is wanted :)
[13:38] <mdeslaur> seb128: thanks
[13:39] <seb128> mdeslaur, yw
[13:41] <oSoMoN> seb128, right, thanks!
[13:45] <oSoMoN> davmor2_, congrats on the new job man!
[13:46] <didrocks> what is davmor2_ going to break nowdays?
[14:11] <popey> hello! I had a 16.04 basic install, not much changed. Just booted an artful USB key and tried to 'upgrade' it. It seems to have hung during "Removing conflicting operating system files", and isn't doing anything
[14:11] <popey> anything i can do to debug what it's doing?
[14:13] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25226720/ - copy and pasted that out of the ubiquity window
[14:14] <seb128> popey, you want cyphermox  or xnox, maybe #ubuntu-devel is better
[14:14] <popey> ok, thanks
[14:15] <seb128> yw
[14:15] <didrocks> popey: do you know why you have snapd info in your logs?
[14:19] <popey> eh?
[14:19] <ouroumov> Guys, sorry for polluting the channel, can anyone help me test gtk+2.0 from zesty-proposed for the SRU check? When I try to install it with apt-get it tries to do regexp matching, so I'm not sure how to install the package from proposed.
[14:20] <didrocks> popey: a lot of usr/lib/snapd/snapd[1361]: daemon.go:176: DEBUG: uid=999;@ GET /v2/find?q=ter
[14:20] <didrocks> popey: I think it's may be the features app? Not sure why they are fetched
[14:20] <popey> no idea
[14:20] <didrocks> ouroumov: did you add the proposed pocket to your source.list?
[14:21] <ouroumov> Yes. Also put a hold to avoid upgrading all packages as per instructions from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed
[14:22] <didrocks> good, then, your fix is really in the gtk+2.0 source?
[14:22] <didrocks> if so, sudo apt install libgtk2.0-0/zesty-proposed
[14:22] <didrocks> (you need to list binary package name, not source package names)
[14:22] <ouroumov> Okay, trying that, thanks
[14:22] <didrocks> this should pull the packages you need
[14:22] <didrocks> yw!
[14:23] <oSoMoN> mdeslaur, Rejected. PPA uploads must be for the RELEASE pocket.
[14:23] <oSoMoN> This upload queue does not permit SECURITY uploads.
[14:23] <mdeslaur> oSoMoN: oh, well, just use xenial then
[14:23] <oSoMoN> llvm-toolchain-4.0 (1:4.0-1ubuntu1~16.04.1ubuntu1) xenial-security; urgency=medium
[14:24] <mdeslaur> oSoMoN: or wait, and I'll rebuild it after lunch and push it to the archive
[14:24] <oSoMoN> mdeslaur, I’ll do that if you don't mind, please ping me when it's there
[14:24] <mdeslaur> oSoMoN: ok
[14:24] <ouroumov> Holly Jesus, hey didrocks is it normal it wants to remove ubuntu-mate-core, ubuntu-mate-desktop and some other packages?
[14:25] <didrocks> ouroumov: hum, were any of those only in proposed by any chance and your apt pinning did that?
[14:26] <didrocks> ouroumov: I would say, you can remove your apt pinning (the wiki mentioned one)
[14:26] <seb128> brb
[14:26] <didrocks> keep proposed enabled
[14:26] <didrocks> do the apt install …
[14:26] <didrocks> remove proposed so that next apt update/upgrades takes anything from proposed
[14:27] <ouroumov> Alright, trying that
[14:28] <ouroumov> didrocks, thanks this time it didn't try to remove stuff
[14:31] <didrocks> ouroumov: great, that was things you had from proposed I guess :)
[14:32] <willcooke> I've got dnsmasq and resolved using 100% CPU again.  cyphermox - any thoughts on what I can do to work out why?
[14:41] <cyphermox> why are you using both?
[14:42] <cyphermox> it depends on the config used, I suppose
[14:42] <cyphermox> willcooke: could you please file a bug, include /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf and /var/log/syslog (but as I recall ubuntu-bug will do that for you)
[14:43] <cyphermox> maybe gdb each and include a backtrace too
[14:43] <willcooke> cyphermox, we needed dnsmasq for wifi hotspot support
[14:43] <willcooke> I might have installed the full dnsmasq
[14:43] <cyphermox> sure, but dnsmasq for hotspot doesn't do DNS resolution and wouldn't fight with resolved
[14:44] <cyphermox> even if you installed dnsmasq instead of dnsmasq-base, it's a bug
[14:44] <willcooke> I'm going to reinstall my test machine, if I can still reproduce the issue I'll log a bug
[14:44] <willcooke> oki
[14:44] <cyphermox> ok
[14:44] <cyphermox> maybe just check if dns=dnsmasq in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf quickly first
[14:45] <cyphermox> if that's in there, then yeah NM will still try to use dnsmasq to do DNS caching
[14:45] <cyphermox> s/caching/resolution/
[14:45] <willcooke> no mention of dnsmasq in that conf file
[14:56] <seb128> to those using hexchat, is there any way to configure it in a way its indicates properly what channels get some activity?
[14:57] <seb128> it displays a conversation icon all the time, which is useless :-/
[14:57] <seb128> xchat-gnome was displaying nothing and adding an icon when there was unread content in the channel
[15:01] <willcooke> seb128, I configured it to show red text when I get a mention and green text when there is activity and grey when nothing, is that what you want?
[15:04] <didrocks> I guess seb128 is mentioned when the window isn't focused
[15:04] <didrocks> like you alt-tab to something else
[15:29] <seb128> willcooke, oh, let me look at that
[15:30] <seb128> didrocks, both, but having already different colors/signs on the main UI would be nice
[15:30] <seb128> atm I need to visit all the channels to see if there is an ongoing discussion somewhere, that's ridiculous
[15:31] <willcooke> seb128, http://imgur.com/a/MxxyV
[15:31] <seb128> willcooke, thanks, that did it, I was focussed on the icons thing and it didn't come to my mind that the color tab could have a solution to my problem
[15:32] <willcooke> \o/
[15:32] <willcooke> hmm, I'm not seeing snaps in the dash on gnome shell on a new 17.10 install
[15:33] <willcooke> it did this before, and then went away by itself
[15:33] <willcooke> but this is a new install, so dunno what I did
[15:35] <seb128> what sort of snaps?
[15:36] <seb128> you mean if you install a snap which has a .desktop?
[15:36] <willcooke> e.g. ohmygiraffe
[15:36] <seb128> like libreoffice?
[15:36] <seb128> let me try that one
[15:36] <seb128> did you install it and the icon is missing?
[15:36] <seb128> or did you try to look for uninstalled thing and to get the dash to guide you to gnome-software to install?
[15:37] <willcooke> seb128, I installed it via cli
[15:37] <willcooke> software knows it's installed no
[15:37] <willcooke> w
[15:37] <willcooke> and it runs fine
[15:53] <seb128> shrug
[15:54] <seb128> willcooke, sorry, gnome-software froze eating cpu at the end of the installation, had to stop it after 10 min
[15:55] <willcooke> reboot, brb
[15:56] <seb128> jbicha, do you know where is GNOME supposed to put screenshots taken using the area keybinding?
[15:56] <willcooke> seb128, Photos
[15:56] <willcooke> *Pictures
[15:56] <seb128> right
[15:56] <seb128> it's not working :-/
[15:56] <seb128> every bug I try to debug I hit another one of the way
[15:56] <willcooke> oh
[15:56] <willcooke> well
[15:56] <seb128> thanks anyway :-)
[15:56] <willcooke> :)
[15:57] <willcooke> Interesting,
[15:57] <willcooke> I don't have a Pictures dir here on a fresh install
[15:57] <seb128> it works if I take screen screenshots
[15:57] <seb128> not area ones
[15:57] <willcooke> ahh
[15:57] <willcooke> on Waylnad?
[15:57] <seb128> no, X
[15:57] <seb128> ctrl-shift-print
[15:58] <willcooke> works here on Wayland, but because I dont have a Pictures dir it's putting them in ~
[15:58] <willcooke> seb128, try shift printscr
[15:58] <seb128> that seems another bug :-/
[15:58] <didrocks> confirmed area one not working on X
[15:58] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[15:58] <didrocks> ah Shift + printscrn works
[15:58] <mdeslaur> oh, I hope we're not reverting to putting your confidential info into your shared pictures photo when you hit prtscrn by mistake
[15:58] <seb128> right
[15:59] <seb128> maybe I got my keybindings wrong
[15:59] <didrocks> seb128: well…:)
[15:59] <didrocks> you still have the cross
[15:59] <seb128> I bet the one with ctrl is for the clipboard
[15:59] <didrocks> ahhhh
[15:59] <willcooke> +1
[15:59] <didrocks> yep
[15:59] <willcooke> mdeslaur, interesting, it seems to have been that way for ever
[15:59] <didrocks> ctrl+Shift+printscreen is the clipboard
[15:59] <seb128> right
[16:00] <seb128> sorry for the confusion
[16:00] <didrocks> no worry, I learnt a new keybinding :)
[16:00] <mdeslaur> willcooke: we always reverted that
[16:00] <mdeslaur> we may have made it unity specific though
[16:00] <didrocks> mdeslaur: have you talked about it to the GNOME design team? (or have a bug/logs we can refer to?)
[16:01] <willcooke> brb
[16:01] <mdeslaur> I think there's an ancient WONTFIX bug somewhere
[16:01] <didrocks> would be great to find it so that we can reopen the discussion
[16:01] <jbicha> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/screen-shot-record.html or
[16:01] <jbicha> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/screen-shot-record.html.fr :)
[16:02] <didrocks> jbicha: looking for the help on screenshot tool? Crazy ;)
[16:02] <mdeslaur> didrocks: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-screenshot/+bug/927952
[16:03] <seb128> brb, moving location
[16:21] <xclaesse> Hm, just noticed that a recent install of ubuntu 16.04 has kernel 4.10 while my old upgraded system has kernel 4.4, that's weird
[16:21] <xclaesse> new systems gets linux-generic-hwe-16.04 installed by default but not upgraded systems it seems
[16:54] <seb128> willcooke, weird, selecting the wayland session here gave me an xorg one :-/
[16:54] <seb128> I wonder if the selector is buggy atm
[16:54] <willcooke> seb128, ah, I didnt test that
[16:56] <willcooke> seb128, they both give me wayland :)
[16:57] <willcooke> But the wayland one is realllly buggy
[16:58] <willcooke> e.g. crtl-alt-t for a terminal is super slow to respond, so I now have 10 terminals open
[16:58] <willcooke> log out does nothing
[16:58] <willcooke> cpu is not pegged
[16:58] <willcooke> oh, there we go
[16:58] <willcooke> it caught up
[17:00] <willcooke> and now I've logged in and out of a few sessions I get Xorg on the Ubuntu session and Wayland on the wayland one
[17:00] <willcooke> and on X my snaps appear again
[17:09] <seb128> willcooke, right, I know what the issue is, I add it to my list to deal with
[17:11] <willcooke> seb128, re: snaps or session?
[17:12] <jbicha> seb128 is going to fix all the issues :)
[17:16] <willcooke> \o/
[17:28] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, ping
[17:28] <chrisccoulson> hi ricotz
[17:28] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, hi, see PM
[18:39] <willcooke> night
[18:39] <willcooke> !"


[07:46] <genkgo> jsalisbury: great job on figuring out the last good and first bad kernel
[07:47] <genkgo> now i am really wondering what the cause of the read-only problem is... especially because it could be non-storage related, right?
[17:52] <leitao> any idea when the new 4.4.0-18 kernel will be released for 16.04?
[18:06] <kamal> leitao, it won't be until next week at the earliest (-17 just landed in -proposed a few days ago, and -18 hasn't been constructed yet)
[18:06] <leitao> kamal, hmm, so maybe I want -17.  If the bug is "fix commited", I understand that it is being considered in -17, correct?
[18:07] <kamal> leitao, not necessarily --- there are a bunch of fixes committed on top of -17 too.  which bug or commit are you looking for?
[18:08] <leitao> kamal, 1546439
[18:10] <kamal> leitao, that fix is not in -17, sorry  (I do see it in the Xenial repo -- it'll be in -18 when that gets constructed)
[18:10] <kamal> e7f2f51 UBUNTU: SAUCE: block: partition: initialize percpuref before sending out KOBJ_ADD
[18:11] <leitao> kamal, thanks
[18:18] <leitao> kamal, now I understand how you guys manage it. You have a -next branch, and creates a commit for each release.. I just need to check if the commit is below or above a certain commits (as -17).
[18:18] <leitao> Thank you
[18:19] <kamal> leitao, ah yes -- master-next is the thing to look at.  glad I could help.
[18:20] <kamal> leitao, and yes, "Fix committed" specifically means, "we committed it to our master-next branch"


[23:50] <denis> Linux Laptop 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP Sun Oct 14 23:05:12 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linu                                                                                x
[23:50] <yereth> oloughlin75: it does
[23:50] <oloughlin75> i needed gettext and something else
[23:50] <copacetic> intelikey, I think he was upgrading his entire distro version.
[23:50] <intelikey> or is it dash in place of underscore
[23:50] <copacetic> Not app/security updates.
[23:50] <biovore> those are called dependencies
[23:51] <denis> 7.10
[23:51] <denis> isn't that the newest?
[23:51] <Arwen> yes
[23:51] <intelikey> yeah that's latest.  and there are losts of updates for it.
[23:51] <Arwen> we're pretty close to 8.04 iirc
[23:51] <denis> yes, aroun 154
[23:51] <denis> d
[23:51] <dsmith_> lots of lost updated, :P
[23:51] <denis> so why does it say there is an upgrade?
[23:52] <denis> btw: I have problems with apt-get update after updating
[23:52] <oloughlin75> it was released a few months ago
[23:52] <intelikey> bug in the upgrade notifier ?
[23:52] <biovore> yup
[23:52] <dsmith_> biovore: what happened to MD LUG?
[23:52] <biovore> it always says there is a newer version.. but its always wrong :-P
[23:52] <denis> it says that it can find the lock file
[23:52] <oloughlin75> !adeptfix | denis
[23:52] <ubotu> denis: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[23:52] <biovore> dsmith_: I do the Capitol College Lug
[23:52] <dsmith_> ok
[23:52] <denis> thanks
[23:52] <yereth> "in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail."
[23:52] <yereth> now what?
[23:52] <stevarino> is there a command to upgrade everything to 7.10, cuz this really sucks
[23:53] <oloughlin75> i had the same problem after updates
[23:53] <stevarino> i thought apt-get dist-upgrade would do the trick...
[23:53] <intelikey> biovore that's yet another argument against running the latest rather than the LTS    but  i need not go there.
[23:53] <biovore> dsmith_: Capitol College in Laurel Maryland 6:00 -> 9 ish  (nea  Powder mill road and parkway
[23:53] <copacetic> stevarino, sudo gksu "update-manager -c"
[23:53] <dsmith_> biovore: too far
[23:53] <copacetic> Hrm, that must be an ubuntu only app
[23:54] <biovore> kdesu -> gksu
[23:54] <copacetic> Disregard my comment.
[23:54] <copacetic> Ah
[23:54] <denis> when I enter sudo dpkg --configure -a, it asks me to either keep the old files or take the new ones. Whast do I haave to do?
[23:54] <intelikey> gksudo and kdesudo are also avalable
[23:55] <stevarino> copacetic: thanks.. i'm burning the dvd of 7.1 now (yes, i had a 6.06 cd iso and a 7.10 dvd iso, i have no clue why either)
[23:55] <intelikey> denis if everything is working     keep the old ones
[23:55] <denis> ok
[23:55] <yereth> hhrmm.. too much whiskeyt
[23:56] <copacetic> I always keep the old ones. Some apps may depends on them.
[23:56] <yereth> hence the typo
[23:56] <copacetic> -s
[23:56] <denis> thank you, it's working
[23:56] <intelikey> heh copacetic you very funny man.
[23:57] <yereth> nosrednaekim: finally, ./configure ran without errors
[23:57] <copacetic> Hrm, thanks?
[23:57] <denis> hehe
[23:57] <copacetic> yereth, Now the hard part :D
[23:57] <yereth> installed 100MB of dev packs
[23:57] <nosrednaekim> :)
[23:57] <copacetic> Getting make to finish without errors.
[23:57] <luigi> it1
[23:57] <luigi> it!
[23:57] <luigi> !it
[23:57] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[23:58] <denis> !de
[23:58] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[23:58] <denis> ah cool
[23:58] <yereth> nosrednaekim: so I've run make install... should the theme be in the list now?
[23:59] <nosrednaekim> yeah... should be
[23:59] <copacetic> You did sudo make install, correct?
[23:59] <yereth> copacetic: did so
[23:59] <Arwen> oh yeah, anyone else here used VisualboyAdvance? It's broken here.
[23:59] <luigi> #ubuntu-it


[12:51] <taeaad> Usually the the old farts here will direct you to #ubuntu.
[12:51] <taeaad> Oh, looks like that was yesterday.


[17:58] <mchelen2> hey i've had a lot of stability issues with ubuntu gnome 16.04
[18:16] <jbicha> mchelen2: are you using the GNOME3 Staging PPA?
[18:20] <jbicha> it's ok if you aren't
[18:32] <jbicha> probably better if you aren't actually
[18:37] <mchelen2> jbicha: nope just whatever comes with the distro
[20:10] <jbicha> darkxst: ricotz: first draft looks good: https://wiki.gnome.org/ThreePointTwentyfive
[20:10] <jbicha> the schedule is one week shorter to make it smoother for us to package GNOME
[20:11] <jbicha> it lines up pretty well with last year's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseSchedule
[20:12] <jbicha> a full week between GNOME Freeze and Ubuntu Feature Freeze, and there should be time to get .1 in to the 17.10 release
[20:13] <ricotz> I see, although inclusion pretty much depends on whether gtk4 is required or not?
[20:15] <jbicha> ughh, gtk4 worries me :|
[20:17] <jbicha> there's strong precedent for 18.04 LTS using GNOME 3.26, which itself is a decent argument to do 3.26 for 17.10 if we can
[20:18] <ricotz> was there a conclusion about updating nautilus?
[20:19] <ricotz> I guess simply pushing it early next cycle?
[20:20] <jbicha> I think people are ok with me uploading nautilus 3.24 when 17.10 opens, in April or May
[20:20] <jbicha> since csorizno was thinking about going gtk4 with nautilus, we might stay with 3.24 for 17.10 then
[20:21] <jbicha> by the way 12_unity_launcher_support.patch worked with 3.22.0 but it broke with 3.22.1 :(
[20:22] <jbicha> there's a lot of skepticissm about pushing tracker into the Unity desktop
[20:24] <ricotz> tracker can be quite hungry and i/o intensive
[20:24] <jbicha> is that just a one-time cost?
[20:25] <ricotz> depends on how much media-files you shuffle around
[20:27] <ricotz> gnome-document is working fine, but totem is crawling showing up files


[14:31] <dbn2> cjwatson: thanks for looking into it. i did end up deleting the initial account and creating a new one with the same primary address. however, i _think_ that oops i mentioned was from signing in with the original account. in that case, i don't know why the email address would be associated with some other account. either way, i'll send an email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:34] <cjwatson> dbn2: actually no need now, in the process of getting it fixed once sysadmins finish dealing with an outage
[14:34] <cjwatson> dbn2: the problem was because the email address in question had already had a pseudo-account associated with it in Launchpad due to being mentioned in a comment we imported from a bugzilla somewhere
[15:28] <dbn2> cjwatson: oh, thanks, that makes sense
[15:33] <cjwatson> dbn2: Should be fixed now - sorry for the delay
[15:34] <cjwatson> possibly?  I only got one of the two accounts you created merged ...
[15:34] <cjwatson> dbn2: if you could test and tell me what happens that would be good
[16:47] <dbn2> cjwatson: OOPS-19b2f458eb6b675da01d1580f1259201. the 2 accounts i created were danbnicholson and dbnicholson
[16:50] <cjwatson> right, so your attempt to work around it made it worse :)
[16:50] <cjwatson> I'll need to go back to sysadmins
[16:54] <dbn2> cjwatson: bummer. thank you for helping
[17:13] <cjwatson> dbn2: Try now?
[17:30] <dbn2> cjwatson: success! thanks for your help. now back to filing my bug...
[17:31] <cjwatson> \o/
[19:02] <nacc> cjwatson: hrm, i'm trying to specify the reviewers for a MP, but when I try to use a person directly (e.g., mp.nominateReviewer(lp.people['racb']) I get the following backtrace: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25062963/
[19:02] <nacc> cjwatson: doing the same for a team seems to work ok (or maybe it's a matter of which i do first, not sure)
[19:02] <cjwatson> you must use named parameters.  try mp.nominateReviewer(reviewer=lp.people['racb'])
[19:02] <nacc> cjwatson: err, yes, i am
[19:03] <nacc> cjwatson: sorry about that in the above, didn't type my actual code :)
[19:03] <cjwatson> oh, that seems to be in processing the response, anyway
[19:03] <nacc> cjwatson: yeah
[19:04] <cjwatson> try launchpadlib 1.10.5 before investigating further
[19:04] <nacc> cjwatson: is there an easy way to get that on artful?
[19:04] <cjwatson> actually that's lazr.restfulclient isn't it
[19:04] <cjwatson> probably not
[19:06] <cjwatson> it might be lp:lazr.restfulclient r140 and possibly a couple of revs after it
[19:06] <cjwatson> I reeeeeeeeeeeealy need to sort out a release of that
[19:12] <nacc> cjwatson: if i'm reading it right, artful's version has those changes already
[19:12] <nacc> cjwatson: unless you mean those are what broke it? :)
[22:29] <nacc> cjwatson: hrm, so i did some debugging locally and something is returning from (I think) nominateReviewer down to Resource::lp_refresh an empty byte-string for representation at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lazr-developers/lazr.restfulclient/trunk/view/head:/src/lazr/restfulclient/resource.py#L336
[22:30] <nacc> the request is (apparently) succeeding, although I'm not 100% sure it does every time yet


[23:06] <usr13> m1sf1t: ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:06] <m1sf1t> because it's also the computer i use lol
[23:06] <m1sf1t> it's not a busy site
[23:06] <daftykins> ;_;
[23:06] <gamoholic> m1sf1t: So which version of Ubuntu is it?
[23:06] <Minty__> usr13: ah this is scary :P ubuntu isn't very clear on which partition is which
[23:07] <daftykins> it's totally clear!
[23:07] <m1sf1t> errm... the latest LTS
[23:07] <m1sf1t> 12.04 i think
[23:07] <usr13> Minty__: Well, you could have resized the partition while still booted into MS Windows.
[23:07] <usr13> Minty__: But what do you see?
[23:07] <Minty__> yea i should have, oh well sorting it now
[23:07] <gamoholic> Use the network manager for the desktop version
[23:07] <Minty__> oh for goodness sake, "the resize operation is impossible"
[23:08] <m1sf1t> i have the lxde desktop installed, can't find any network manager :(
[23:08] <CpuID> gamoholic: us-west-2 and us-east-1 look OK apt repo wise (s3 backed, testing precise specifically)
[23:08] <daftykins> Minty__: did you defrag your Windows install like you're supposed to?
[23:08] <usr13> Minty__: The biggest one is obviously the MS Windows one that needs to be shrunk down to a [much] smaller size.
[23:08] <Minty__> daftykins: not sure what that means but no one told me about that so nope
[23:08] <Minty__> usr13: yea, not possible to resize apparently
[23:08] <daftykins> Minty__: you aren't familiar with defragmenting?
[23:08] <Minty__> daftykins: but i run defrags all the time
[23:09] <daftykins> wait what
[23:09] <Minty__> daftykins: yea, always running - i think this is more likely due to the junk left from previous reinstalls of windows
[23:09] <daftykins> you just contradicted yourself...
[23:09] <zztw> I'm trying to install ubuntu on an asus xenbook and after I select the volume to install on it's giving me this window that just has "???" for both title and message. any idea? It's a striped raid 0 of two ssds; does that make a difference?
[23:09] <Minty__> daftykins: yea my bad, i misread the first time
[23:09] <usr13> daftykins: I think Win7 does that automatically from time to time, so it's not a big issue.
[23:09] <daftykins> usr13: only on mechanicals
[23:09] <usr13> Minty__: Why can't you resize the partition>?
[23:10] <usr13> daftykins: It is a 1TB drive.
[23:10] <Minty__> usr13: no idea says it is impossible
[23:10] <gamoholic> CpuID: This is what I get when I open http://us-west-2.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com.s3.amazonaws.com/ubuntu/ in my browser: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7024615/
[23:10] <basketballl> gamoholic,  i bought a monitor yesterday that has a different resolution as my laptop how can i remove the black border of laptop
[23:10] <usr13> Minty__: It should show how much space is used and how much is empty. Right?
[23:10] <Minty__> usr13: in the partition disks installation menu, i have only 4 options now "guided - use entire disk", "guided - use entire desk and set up lvm" and "guided - use entire desik and set up encrypted lvm" and "manuaal"
[23:11] <Minty__> the entire disk options give me warnings that "all the data on this partition will be erased"
[23:11] <Minty__> maybe i should just go for it and erase my windows partition...
[23:11] <usr13> Minty__: I suppose "guided" would be best, but I always use manual.
[23:11] <Minty__> when i use manual, it won't let me resize partition
[23:11] <usr13> Minty__: Yea! Go for it!  :)
[23:11] <Minty__> so i feel pressured to wipe windows altogether now!
[23:11] <Minty__> usr13: ahhh!
[23:11] <gamoholic> basketball: Are you using both the new monitor and your laptop's monitor, or just the new monitor?
[23:11] <Minty__> am i going to love ubuntu?!
[23:12] <Minty__> convince me, quick!
[23:12] <Minty__> what is "set up lvm"
[23:12] <usr13> Minty__: What most of us find is that we rarely boot to MS Windows any more.  (Let's face it, we can only use one OS at a time anyway.)
[23:12] <usr13> Minty__: LVM is good.
[23:12] <usr13> !lvm | Minty__
[23:12] <gamoholic> I just use 2 computers with Synergy :P
[23:12] <Minty__> usr13: i know but anything that doesn't work with wine might make me cry
[23:13] <usr13> Minty__: LVM is Large Volume Management (or something like that), and what it means is that you can resize your partitions on the fly
[23:13] <gamoholic> Minty__: What are the specs of your computer? CPU, RAM, etc.
[23:13] <Minty__> gamoholic: 8gb ram ddr2 and some quad core 2.4ghz processor
[23:13] <usr13> Minty__: Then just resize the MS Windows partition and use free space.
[23:14] <Minty__> not that great, i am in the process of saving for a new machine and when i do, will probably convert this to a media server anyway
[23:14] <usr13> Minty__: CHoose the Manual option
[23:14] <gamoholic> Then you can use VirtualBox to run Windows for the few programs that you may need that don't work in Wine :)
[23:14] <Minty__> would want to use ubuntu for that but plex doesn't currently support it
[23:14] <Minty__> gamoholic: i guess!
[23:14] <Minty__> usr13: i can't choose manual because it says resizing is impossible
[23:15] <Minty__> usr13: if i use guided - use entire desik and set up lvm, i can just overwrite everything. right i'm scared but i'm going to go for it
[23:15] <Daekdroom> Is indicator-power a default indicator in Ubuntu 12.04.4?
[23:15] <usr13> Minty__: If you have your Win7 install CD, you can do a VM for it.
[23:15] <Minty__> usr13: yea i do
[23:16] <Minty__> ok, i'm going to use the guided option and set up lvm
[23:16] <usr13> Minty__: Or you can back out and resize the MS Windows partition (after booting back to Win7).
[23:16] <Minty__> it says "After the LVM is configured, no additional changes to the partinioning scheme of disks containing physical volumes are allowed during the installation"
[23:16] <pac1> Minty, make sure you've backed up your personal files.
[23:16] <Minty__> pac1: dropbox
[23:16] <usr13> Minty__: Yer good to go.
[23:17] <Minty__> ok done it
[23:17] <zztw> is there any issue with installing to a raid 0 volume of two ssds?
[23:17] <basketballl> gamoholic,  i bought a monitor yesterday that has a different resolution as my laptop how can i remove the black border of laptop
[23:17] <Minty__> usr13: what was the purpose of the 40gb partition?
[23:17] <saeth> hello, I need some help with xubuntu and kwin ... I installed kwin on xubuntu and it works great with one exception - all my workspaces disappeared and I only have one 3: I believe there is some way to fix it, however I have no idea how.
[23:18] <gamoholic> basketballl: Please answer my question that I have already asked you twice.
[23:18] <Minty__> it's asking me how much space to give to this installation - this is the 40gb bit right?
[23:18] <usr13> Minty__: For system files, (applications and configuration files).
[23:18] <basketballl> you didnt ping me gamoholic  i dont know what you asked
[23:18] <gamoholic> [03/02 16:11:53] <gamoholic> basketball: Are you using both the new monitor and your laptop's monitor, or just the new monitor?
[23:19] <pac1> Minty,  40gb should be plenty.  I usually get away with 10 or 15.
[23:19] <basketballl> gamoholic,  both i have side by side set up
[23:19] <pac1> you'll probably want to configure a separate partition as /home
[23:19] <usr13> Minty__: Like I said before, I would use about 8G or so for swap, about 40G or so for / (root directory where application files and config files live), and the rest for /home/
[23:19] <saeth> basketballl, there should be a button on your keyboard that lets you switch between screens - usually it's fn+f6 and once you do that, it should automatically adapt the resolution. If you use just the display and don't use your laptop display at the same time, there should be no problem
[23:19] <Minty__> can someone explain how this LVM works. i now have LV root of 31.5gb and LV swap_1 of 8.6gb
[23:20] <Minty__> then in addition to that i have SCSI2 of 1.0TB which consists of #1 primary 254.8mb (what is this?) and 999.9GB logical
[23:20] <basketballl> saeth,  i use both like in the movies
[23:20] <saeth> ohh, so try pressing this key combo anyway and see what happens
[23:21] <saeth> if it doesn't work then try messing up with display settings and there should be an option for 2 display mode
[23:21] <gamoholic> basketballl: Since they are different resolutions you will either have the black borders or you will have to stretch the resolution, which won't look very good. I recommend just leaving the black borders.
[23:21] <basketballl> saeth,  ok i dont have second monitor with me right npow
[23:21] <usr13> Minty__: LVM = Logical Volume Manager
[23:21] <pac1> Minty,  LVM works sort of like a regular partitioning scheme,  but its more flexible.  It doesn't store partition info on the MBR.
[23:21] <Minty__> so lvm is a breakdown and manager of the physical total space?
[23:21] <usr13> Minty__: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_Volume_Manager_%28Linux%29
[23:21] <basketballl> gamoholic,  why do they need to be same resolution when seperate they are great
[23:21] <pac1> Minty__, you can think of it that way.
[23:22] <Minty__> and then 254.8mb has been auto allocated for /boot
[23:22] <Minty__> is that normal?
[23:22] <usr13> Minty__: "Managing large hard disk farms by allowing disks to be added and replaced without downtimes and services disruption, in combination with hot swapping."
[23:22] <pac1> That's one way to do it.  I gave up on the /boot partition a long time ago.
[23:22] <saeth> oh, once we are talking about hdds, I have one more problem: I have 2 disks - one is system drive which is ssd and the other one is a normal 250gb hdd with one ext4 partition on it
[23:22] <Minty__> pac1: shall i just delte it?
[23:22] <Minty__> pac1: it's confusing as that is in addition to the 999.9gb LVM
[23:22] <usr13> Minty__: That's ok.  (The kernels go in /boot/)
[23:23] <Minty__> ok, i'll leave it as is
[23:23] <saeth> the disk doesn't mount automatically - It appears gray on the desktop and I have to double-click it to mount it. Is there a way to do that automatically on startup?
[23:23] <gamoholic> basketballl: Hmmm, true. You should be able to have them at different resolutions. Open the display manager and mess around.
[23:23] <Minty__> ok
[23:23] <Minty__> just submitted partition changes
[23:23] <Minty__> goodbye windows installation
[23:23] <usr13> Minty__: It is LVM so it can be resized later if you want (allows for resiging on-the-fly)
[23:23] <Bublik2002> anyone set up their ubuntu box as a dvr and tv server?
[23:23] <Guest15290> hi im using vsftpd with local users and i kepp getting 550
[23:24] <pac1> If you install more than one version of linux on the same machine, you can get away without the /boot.
[23:24] <usr13> !mythtv | Guest15290
[23:24] <gamoholic> basketballl: On my system it is called "Monitor Settings"
[23:24] <Minty__> uh oh
[23:24] <Minty__> i removed usb stick
[23:24] <Minty__> will that cause problems?
[23:24] <usr13> Guest15290: Try proftpd
[23:24] <Minty__> or is everything left in the process network-related?
[23:24] <saeth> xD did you unmount it?
[23:24] <pac1> grub v2 is more flexible about where kernels go.  you don't have to put them all in one partition.
[23:25] <tejas> hello
[23:25] <pac1> grub 2 will find them on any mounted partition.
[23:25] <Minty__> i just pulled it out, did it like 10 mins ago when i was first at partition screen because it was confusing me as a listed device, didn't even think
[23:25] <usr13> Minty__: Wow, I dont know.
[23:25] <Minty__> uh oh, fingers crossed
[23:25] <saeth> ubuntu doesn't like pendrives so always try unmounting them...
[23:25] <gabriele> ciao, qualche italiano?
[23:25] <Guest15290> thats about it ? id rather know whars wrong
[23:25] <Minty__> i doubt putting it back in now will help unless it remembers the path
[23:25] <usr13> Minty__: Are you in the habit of unplugging a drive that is mounted?
[23:26] <Minty__> usr13: no, i was a virgin until now
[23:26] <basketballl> gamoholic,  i have display settings
[23:26] <usr13> Minty__: :)  NOt any more....
[23:26] <Minty__> just plugged it back in and pretended nothing happened, lets hope ubuntu falls for it
[23:26] <usr13> Pretend all you want ..........
[23:26] <gamoholic> basketballl: You should be able to choose the resolution of each monitor in there
[23:26] <Minty__> optimism please
[23:27] <gabriele> help!!! no italian?
[23:27] <usr13> Minty__: Since it is a network install, your prolly ok.
[23:27] <Ben64> !it | gabriele
[23:27] <Minty__> usr13: that's my hope! 85% through base system installation, i feel this is probably the important bit
[23:27] <usr13> But I dono....  But I think the installer is all loaded into ramdisk
[23:27] <Minty__> usr13: i'm just wondering how it accesses the next stage of the menu...
[23:27] <pac1> Minty__, if your installing, and still have drives you want to preserve, you may want to turn them off.
[23:28] <pac1> Minty__, so why LVM?
[23:28] <Minty__> pac1: probably too late but as i'm doing a full partition wipe, can't imagine there's anything i can preserve
[23:28] <basketballl> gamoholic,  what do i select
[23:28] <Minty__> pac1: sounded good
[23:28] <pac1> Minty__, do you have just one disk drive?
[23:28] <Guest15290> no one here got vsftp to work ok with local users
[23:28] <Minty__> pac1: yea
[23:28] <pac1> ok,  have you written the partition table?
[23:29] <Minty__> pac1: not sure what that means! i think!
[23:29] <usr13> Guest15290: Yes.  But you will have to edit the config file
[23:29] <pac1> part of the installation process runs a partition manager.
[23:29] <Minty__> yea, done that bit
[23:29] <Minty__> i said "Guided - Use entire disk and setup LVM"
[23:29] <Minty__> i'm fairly sure that wiped the old partition setup and replaced with this new one? now installing the system
[23:29] <pac1> the partition manager reads the partition table from the very beginning of the drive.
[23:30] <pac1> you're then presented with a list of partitions you can edit in memory.
[23:30] <usr13> Guest15290: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man5/vsftpd.conf.5.html
[23:30] <Minty__> pac1: yea did all that
[23:30] <pac1> you can completely wipe them out, or just change one or two.
[23:30] <Minty__> pac1: yea wiped them all
[23:30] <pac1> nothing happens to the disk until you're all done and have things the way you want them.
[23:30] <pac1> When you finish it re-writes the partition table.
[23:30] <Minty__> so, "Install security updates automatically" or "Manage System with Lanscape" i'm swaying towards the first unless anyone has any advice?
[23:31] <Minty__> pac1: yea i did that, was all deliberate and slightly through through
[23:31] <pac1> Lanscape?
[23:31] <Minty__> thought through*
[23:31] <Minty__> Landscape
[23:31] <Minty__> a Canonical service
[23:31] <usr13> Guest15290: vsftpd works just fine but is set  pretty secure by default.
[23:31] <pac1> Go ahead with install automatically.
[23:31] <Minty__> pac1: great cheers
[23:31] <pac1> every day or so, you'll get the opportunity to update.
[23:31] <pac1> So what step are you at?
[23:32] <Minty__> pac1: when there is a new LTS, can i update from CLI
[23:32] <usr13> Minty__: Yes
[23:32] <Minty__> pac1: 'Select and Install Software' roughly 18%' just been interrupted by 'Software Selection' stage
[23:32] <Guest15290> i can login and dl just fine it just wont mkdir
[23:32] <Minty__> goodness me, lots of additional selections here... is there a best practice for addons for just desktop use?
[23:32] <Minty__> "Ubuntu desktop" sounds good. How about "Ubuntu desktop USB"
[23:33] <pac1> Ubuntu Desktop USB is probably for installing on a memory stick.
[23:33] <Minty__> oh rubbish, accidentally skipped past that stage
[23:33] <Minty__> what a disaster
[23:33] <Minty__> can i access that list at a later stage?
[23:33] <pac1> if you picked ubuntu desktop you should be good to go on.
[23:33] <Minty__> didn't select anything
[23:34] <Minty__> was about to select postgres database, hit enter but think enter bypassed selection
[23:34] <Minty__> i should really pay more attention
[23:34] <usr13> !dist-upgrade | Minty__
[23:34] <Minty__> usr13: how about just installing the packages when they're not installed
[23:34] <Minty__> are these things just available through apt-get?
[23:34] <usr13> !apt | Minty__
[23:34] <pac1> several ways to do it.
[23:35] <Minty__> pretty excited to use apt-get
[23:35] <Minty__> looks flipping amazing
[23:35] <pac1> apt-get install package
[23:35] <pac1> sudo -s
[23:35] <pac1> first
[23:35] <usr13> !synaptic | Minty__
[23:35] <Minty__> pac1: is the value very sensitive? could i install latest google chrome version through sudo apt-get install chrome
[23:35] <Minty__> GRUB boot loader? do i want that?
[23:36] <pac1> yes.  probably grub-2
[23:36] <pac1> no boot loader, no os.
[23:36] <Minty__> cool
[23:36] <gamoholic> Minty__: Chrome is not available in the repos, you have to install the .deb
[23:36] <usr13> Minty__: Yes, let it write grub to MBR
[23:36] <Minty__> gamoholic: ok i'll learn that one when i come to it i guess!
[23:36] <tomreyn> there's chromium-browser, thugh
[23:36] <usr13> pac1: Not probably, definately
[23:37] <pac1> to get chrome, just go to google and download it.  when it comes in, open it with the package manager and it will install.
[23:37] <gamoholic> True, but I like the extra features in Chrome
[23:37] <pac1> try chromium.  same thing without the googleness.
[23:37] <Minty__> i like chrome
[23:38] <Minty__> + need for web development testing
[23:38] <gamoholic> Biggest thing I don't like about Chromium is the lack of a built-in PDF reader
[23:38] <pac1> nice thing about linux.  You want it, you go get it.
[23:38] <pac1> free beer.
[23:38] <usr13> try firefox, Like googleness without googleness
[23:38] <Minty__> ok so i didn't install ubuntu desktop or anything other than the core
[23:38] <Minty__> i've inadvertedly jumped into the deep end and i've just logged in via the biggest CLI i've ever seen
[23:39] <Minty__> i'd like a desktop please :)
[23:39] <gamoholic> Minty__: Which version did you download?
[23:39] <basketballl> how do i install Catalyst Control Center
[23:39] <Minty__> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[23:39] <Minty__> ?
[23:39] <usr13> Minty__: Well, if a server is what you want, yes.  But if you want a desktop OS with a GUI, install the Desktop
[23:39] <Minty__> gamoholic: 12.04
[23:39] <majod> basketballl: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/AMD
[23:39] <Minty__> usr13: yea i had fully planned to but... it didn't go quite to plan
[23:39] <gamoholic> Yes, but did you download the desktop version or the server version?
[23:39] <Minty__> gamoholic: i'm hoping the desktop version
[23:39] <gamoholic> What is the name of the iso that you downloaded?
[23:40] <usr13> Minty__: Thats' ok. YOu can install it afterward.  sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[23:40] <Minty__> mini because it was the net thing
[23:40] <Minty__> usr13: ok running that now
[23:40] <usr13> Minty__: or sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop   etc. etc. etc.
[23:40] <Minty__> winner
[23:40] <usr13> Minty__: Did you reboot already?
[23:40] <gamoholic> Ah, yeah, that is just the bare essentials necessary to get a system running. For a beginner I would recommend either Ubuntu Desktop or Lubuntu.
[23:40] <Minty__> usr13: yea currently downloading ubuntu desktop
[23:40] <Minty__> pretty cool to see a 32" screen filled with GET commands
[23:40] <usr13> Okeydokey
[23:41] <gamoholic> But as previously stated, you can install it with apt-get :)
[23:41] <Minty__> gamoholic: yea 52% through
[23:41] <basketballl> majod,  can i use that with intel graphics
[23:41] <pac1> swift machine!
[23:41] <usr13> Minty__: You have a fast pipe
[23:41] <Minty__> usr13: what does that mean? net speed?
[23:41] <majod> basketballl: catalys control center is for AMD/ATI graphics
[23:41] <pac1> yeah, but you have to pay the piper!
[23:41] <Minty__> pac1: 120mb fibre optic, can't complain too much ;)_
[23:41] <usr13> true
[23:42] <basketballl> majod,  i want to get rid of black border with dual monitor set up
[23:42] <pac1> that's fasst.
[23:42] <Minty__> i live in a house of 9 though
[23:42] <Minty__> but then i'm the only ethernet linked device :)
[23:42] <Minty__> so i get a good 85mb priority
[23:42] <majod> basketballl: i cant help you with that, sorry, i dont have experience with intel graphics
[23:43] <basketballl> majod,  do you know someone who does
[23:43] <Minty__> does anyone use spotify with ubuntu'?
[23:43] <majod> nope, but just try asking your question and someone will maybe answer :)
[23:43] <majod> Minty__: i do
[23:43] <Minty__> majod: is it alright?
[23:43] <majod> yes, just like windows
[23:43] <Minty__> nice
[23:43] <basketballl> majod,  how do i find out what graohiocs cARD I HAVE'
[23:44] <Minty__> i know they plan to have sychrnonised updates but heard it's a little far off as of yet majod
[23:44] <pac1> Minty__, every use linux before?
[23:44] <Minty__> pac1: na, i'm a virgin
[23:44] <jhutchins> basketballl: lspci | grep -i vga
[23:44] <pac1> from what you've said today, you're going to do fine.
[23:44] <Minty__> pac1: imminent deflowering happening as soon as it finishes selecting and unpacking the billion files involved in this ubuntu desktop installation...
[23:45] <Minty__> pac1: cheers :) appreciate the confidence boost, i feel like my performance has been pretty terrible if i'm honest but i'm looking forward to the learning curve. i've been programming long enough but loyal to windows due to my day job and need for compatability...
[23:45] <usr13> Minty__: ... and all this time we thought you were a guy...
[23:45] <Minty__> apparently my perception was outdated and also, i'm sick of the hampered workflow when i'm using text editors / web developing etc. so decided it was about time to port over
[23:45] <basketballl> i want to get rid of black border with dual monitor set up  Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[23:45] <majod> Minty__: could be, i seldom use spotify...actually isntalled it on ubuntu just today
[23:45] <Minty__> usr13: haha i am, just thought i'd get a bit of inuendo in there
[23:46] <Minty__> majod: what's your alternative weapon (player) of choice
[23:46] <Minty__> i'm hoping itunes isn't too bad with wine either... it better behave
[23:46] <pac1> sudo ls -lR /|wc
[23:46] <majod> Minty__: i got my mp3s :)
[23:46] <pac1> no idea on itunes
[23:46] <tejas> ey guys
[23:46] <jhutchins> Minty__: Could we get the conversation back to support questions/answers please?
[23:46] <usr13> !itunes | Minty__
[23:46] <Minty__> jhutchins: yea sorry - i've fuelled the off topic, my bad
[23:46] <jhutchins> Minty__: THere are other places for social chat.
[23:46] <tejas> anybody know how i can identify if my chipset can inject?
[23:47] <usr13> tejas: What?
[23:47] <usr13> tejas: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[23:47] <Minty__> ok... so support question; if something isn't available through apt-get install (i assume this means it's in the ubuntu software centre?), how would i go about manually installing a .deb file or whatever they are
[23:48] <majod> Minty__: you will double click it
[23:48] <daftykins> Minty__: you don't do that, you look for an official PPA
[23:48] <mnemon> Minty__: dpkg -i file.deb
[23:48] <Minty__> daftykins: PPA?
[23:48] <usr13> !ppa | Minty__
[23:48] <gamoholic> Minty__: sudo dpkg -i "package name".deb; sudo apt-get -f -y install
[23:48] <daftykins> PPA > .deb > compile
[23:48] <majod> .debs are compiling?
[23:49] <usr13> Minty__: BTW, your first support question is free.
[23:49] <gamoholic> majod: No, dafty is saying that PPAs are greater than the other 2
[23:49] <tejas> anyobdy know the user starcannon?
[23:49] <majod> oh i see, sorry
[23:49] <tejas> he used to be here a long time ago
[23:49] <tejas> robby cannon
[23:49] <Minty__> usr13: meaning only free stuff is avilable through apt-get install?
[23:49] <daftykins> yep order of preference/sanity
[23:49] <Minty__> daftykins: can you recommend a good PPA??
[23:49] <gamoholic> Minty__: Yes, you cannot buy anything through apt-get
[23:49] <usr13> Minty__: Was a hopeless attempt at humor....
[23:49] <Minty__> gamoholic: but spotify client is free
[23:50] <Minty__> usr13: oh i see, sorry - getting late, brain stopping
[23:50] <majod> talking about hardware, has anyone idea why my last installation of ubuntu 13.10 kept my cpu at constant 800mhz, no matter what? intel i5 4440
[23:50] <usr13> coffee
[23:50] <pac1> Minty__, http://ipod.about.com/od/advanceditunesuse/f/Downloading-Itunes-For-Linux.htm
[23:50] <Minty__> this ubuntu desktop is taking ages to install
[23:50] <gamoholic> Minty__: If something isn't available through the repo google '"thing you are looking for" ppa'
[23:50] <Minty__> gamoholic: i see and that will be a file or?
[23:50] <usr13> Minty__: Yea, it's a LOT to download.
[23:50] <pac1> Soup's on... gotta go.
[23:51] <Minty__> pac1: take care,thanks for the help
[23:51] <gamoholic> Minty__: No. It will be a command that you run. "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:/something"
[23:51] <usr13> Minty__: Having all that stuff on the install media is [obviously] faster.
[23:51] <mnemon> hmm, are universe, multiverse etc. enabled by default on desktop ubuntu? if not, enable those before going for random ppa's
[23:52] <gamoholic> ^
[23:52] <daftykins> Minty__: it doesn't work like that, you find PPA's specifically for the software you're after
[23:52] <Minty__> by their very natures, aren't files available through PPAs always going to be less up to date than the provider's .deb files?
[23:52] <Minty__> or do i need to see PPA providers more like 'indexers'?
[23:53] <mnemon> Minty__: no, usually people use ppa's because they have a custom or more recent build of the application
[23:53] <gamoholic> Minty__: PPAs are extra repos. If you install .deb files you may have to update manually
[23:53] <usr13> !restricted | Minty__
[23:53] <mnemon> or something that's not in the official ubuntu repos
[23:53] <seksifemale> hi
[23:53] <Minty__> gamoholic: but how does the PPA keep up to date?
[23:53] <usr13> Minty__: Only use ppa's if you really need them.
[23:53] <gamoholic> Through apt-get
[23:53] <Minty__> gamoholic: or am i just trusting them to provide updates frequently?
[23:53] <mnemon> Minty__: they have a maintainer.
[23:53] <mnemon> yes.
[23:54] <Minty__> so when i want something not available through apt-get, even if i find the .deb file from the provider, i should still search for a PPA?
[23:54] <Gotolei> is there a way to change horizontal scrolling speed for both mouse and touchpad?
[23:54] <daftykins> Minty__: yes.
[23:54] <daftykins> Minty__: but why do you think this situation is going to arise?
[23:54] <usr13> Minty__: ONce you get a package installed, where by ppa or normal repositories, when updates are available, you will be notified and asked if you want to upgrade to newer version.
[23:54] <Minty__> daftykins: ok and launchpad is an example of a PPA procider?
[23:54] <Minty__> daftykins: there's loads. spotify is just 1 quick example
[23:54] <Minty__> daftykins: seems odd though because spotify is a free client, it's only the additional service that isn't free
[23:55] <usr13> Minty__: free is not the issue.
[23:55] <majod> but spotify for linux is still in development, not oficially released
[23:55] <Minty__> what's the reason for dropbox then? https://www.dropbox.com/install?os=linux
[23:55] <Minty__> that's a .deb file so i'll be looking for a PPA for that too
[23:57] <mnemon> proprietary software rarely is even in the non-free repos.
[23:57] <usr13> Minty__: The difference between PPAs vs the main repositories is un-official vs official so-to-speak
[23:58] <Minty__> usr13: yea that's why i can't understand going direct to PPAs over the provider
[23:58] <usr13> Minty__: agreed
[23:58] <jhutchins> Minty__: PPAs can be anybody's personal project, and the quality can vary from better-than-ubuntu to wreck-your-system.
[23:58] <usr13> Minty__: Well, waitl
[23:58] <Pici> jhutchins: well put
[23:58] <Minty__> jhutchins: how does 1 go about finding the good ones?
[23:58] <usr13> Minty__: If you install via the package manager, you are a lot better of.  For one thing, the package manager resovles dependencies.
[23:59] <Minty__> also, when i boot ubuntu, it's all great but mid way through boot the screen goes weirldy pixelated with random patterns of broken looking pixels
[23:59] <Kavkaz> somebody highlight me in a few seconds please and thank you.
[23:59] <Minty__> it's completely fine once the login screen is reached but  should i be worried about that?
[23:59] <usr13> Minty__: There are other reasons to use the package management system.
[23:59] <jhutchins> Minty__: One listens carefully.  One reads the mailing lists.  One always thinks twice before deviating from the standard repos.
[23:59] <Gotolei> kavkaz
[23:59] <Minty__> jhutchins: but things like spotify and dropbox should be so available in standard repos!
[23:59] <jhutchins> Minty__: One potential problem is that a release update might fail if you've installed from ppas.
[23:59] <Kavkaz> thanks Gotolei
[23:59] <usr13> jhutchins: Well said.


[01:46] <xevious> cyphermox: I just successfully got ubuntu-base to boot. Slowly slimming it down.
[01:47] <cyphermox> if you're on ubuntu-base you probably don't want to slim it down all that much more; that should already be pretty minimal.
[01:48] <cyphermox> also, if you're at doing this, perhaps the "easiest" might be to make your own seed and metapackage, ship it in a PPA to build things, but then adding the PPA to live-build is a little tricky
[01:49] <xevious> That's roughly what I'm doing but without the seed and with an internal package server as opposed to a PPA.
[01:53] <xevious> There's currently one main package that I can preseed debconf to configure, which has all of its dependencies set. It should work to just add it on top of ubuntu-base.
[01:53] <xevious> That'll be for tomorrow, though.
[01:54] <xevious> I appreciate all your help today.
[23:03] <xevious> Why is Ubuntu's live-build so far behind Debian's?
[23:04] <xevious> For example, I could really use this commit ... from 2012. https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/debian-live/live-build.git/commit/?id=a70409e1f23b0158785083d977db2e93ed1da4c0