[02:21] <rob^> did you get my last email to the list?
[02:22] <mgalvin> hey rob, i just saw it
[02:22] <rob^> I took it at face value
[02:22] <mgalvin> sounds good to me
[02:22] <mgalvin> no prob
[02:23] <rob^> cool..
[02:23] <rob^> at least I got people talking about it :)
[02:24] <mgalvin> yup, that always good :)
[02:25] <mgalvin> backports is often referred to as crackports, hehe, so it is good that we should be fine without them
[02:27] <rob^> yes
[05:09] <unome> guys, any plans for Ubuntu Bible 2005 Edition or something similar?
[05:09] <unome> Can't wait for a book, someone gotta do it!
[05:10] <jsgotangco> im sure the some publishers have something being done at the moment
[05:10] <jsgotangco> as for the docteam to do it, we're relatively small to do something like that
[05:27] <robitaille> unome: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2005-June/002572.html
[05:27] <robitaille> at least one publishing comapny is working on a Uuntu book according to that email
[05:27] <jsgotangco> oohhh Manning...
[05:27] <jsgotangco> there's also APress
[05:28] <robitaille> I'm sure a bunch of them are working, or planning something.  Ubuntu is the flavour of the month for Linux, and they smell a market
[05:29] <robitaille> but a book is totally beyond the scope of our little group :)
[05:32] <jsgotangco> you never know :D
[05:34] <robitaille> you're writing one? :)
[05:35] <jsgotangco> hah i wish i had the time
[05:35] <rob^> just a thought on the faq guide, I'm thinking that telling people where to get libdvdcss2, w32codecs etc is a bad idea
[05:35] <jsgotangco> my current involvement with oracle is hampering my ubuntu contrib
[05:35] <rob^> I dont think Canonical would want us to either
[05:35] <jsgotangco> (im doing stuff in RHEL at the moment)
[05:36] <jsgotangco> rob^, they won't support what is not included in Main for starters
[05:36] <rob^> well I'm going to submit a patch that mentions but doesn't tell people exactly what to do for the faq guide
[05:37] <rob^> unlike whats there now
[05:37] <jsgotangco> rob^, but some applications like kaffeine explicitly say where to get them codecs, but that is very specific for an app
[05:37] <rob^> in the docs for that app?
[05:37] <robitaille> just point them at the wiki page :)
[05:37] <rob^> yeah
[05:37] <jsgotangco> in the actual app at the first time you run it
[05:38] <jsgotangco> (the app looks for codecs)
[05:38] <jsgotangco> yeah, logical route is from the book and point them to the wiki
[05:38] <rob^> ok
[05:38] <jsgotangco> (besides the links can change, but published books are frozen)
[05:38] <rob^> yes
[05:38] <unome> robitaille: great piece, thanks.
[05:38] <robitaille> I wonder who is writing that book for Manning
[05:39] <jsgotangco> no idea, although i know who is the one writing for APress
[05:39] <unome> the only problem is, any book will be outdated in 6 months
[05:40] <robitaille> can you say who?
[05:40] <jsgotangco> robitaille: hornbeck
[05:42] <robitaille> While these books become outdated fast, they are a good desk reference for users just starting into Linux. They need that type of printer support.  Personally I don't see someone like my dad going and finding help about Linux on IRC or a mailing list
[05:44] <unome> no doubt
[05:53] <robitaille> I miss the Ubuntu traffic to find info like this: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mako/ubuntu-traffic/u20041105_11.html#1
[05:54] <robitaille> it's too bad it's way too much effort to restart these weekly traffic
[05:58] <jsgotangco> heh yeah
[05:58] <jsgotangco> "oh well"
[07:03] <jsgotangco> hold on let me check
[07:05] <jsgotangco> hmmm sean already patched it
[07:08] <jsgotangco> oohh wait it wasnt
[07:16] <jsgotangco> rob^, applied
[07:48] <rob^> cool
[07:58] <rob^> jsgotangco, one more to fix a few small things..
[08:40] <jsgotangco> ahhh ok
[08:44] <jsgotangco> rob^, done
[08:50] <jsgotangco> froud, hello
[08:50] <froud> morning
[08:50] <jsgotangco> how is one of my favorite south africans
[08:51] <froud> was the global.ent patch attached to the message Patch 3 faq guide applied
[08:51] <froud> cold
[08:51] <froud> just woke up
[08:51] <froud> coffee
[08:51] <jsgotangco> i didnt see any global.ent patch
[08:52] <jsgotangco> hmm
[08:52] <froud> robert sent through 2 patches
[08:52] <jsgotangco> stupid thunderbird didnt show it
[08:53] <froud> do you see it now
[08:53] <jsgotangco> i only got 1 patch in my gmail
[08:54] <jsgotangco> can you patch global.ent?
[08:54] <froud> I see both patches make changes to global.ent
[08:55] <jsgotangco> i only see 1 patch for the faqguide
[08:55] <jsgotangco> that's what i only applied
[08:57] <rob^> they are both in the one xml.diff file
[08:57] <rob^> its how svn diff does it
[08:57] <froud> rob^: better to make single patches per file
[08:58] <froud> did you make the diff from trunk?
[08:58] <rob^> whats the diff command for it?
[08:58] <rob^> yes
[08:58] <rob^> do it from each directory?
[08:58] <froud> no
[08:58] <froud> cd into the dir
[08:58] <froud> svn diff foo.xml > foo.xml.diff
[08:59] <rob^> ok np
[09:01] <froud> rob^: single patches make it easier to remove unwanted changed
[09:05] <froud> jsgotangco: thanks you applied it
[09:07] <rob^> yes
[09:07] <froud> hmm jsgotangco did that change libs/global.ent
[09:07] <froud> doesn't look like it
[09:08] <froud> svn update ubuntu-docs --non-interactive
[09:08] <froud> U ubuntu-docs/trunk/generic/faqguide/C/faqguide.xml
[09:08] <froud> Updated to revision 1376.
[09:08] <froud> successfully (0)
[09:08] <jsgotangco> nope it didnt
[09:08] <froud> no global.ent change
[09:08] <jsgotangco> i never applied it to global.ent i didnt notice it was a 2 in 1 patch
[09:08] <froud> both patches are two in one
[09:09] <jsgotangco> i say we just recommend rob an svn account :)
[09:09] <froud> so I see that the first patch you applied also did not get updates to global.ent
[09:09] <froud> jsgotangco: did that yesterday
[09:09] <froud> copy them to libs/
[09:10] <froud> and patch -p0 global.ent faqguide.xml.diff
[09:10] <froud> and patch -p0 global.ent faqguide.xml.diff2
[09:10] <rob^> yeah all of mine have been like that :(
[09:10] <froud> rob^: when your patch is two or more dont use diff ext
[09:11] <froud> make it txt
[09:11] <rob^> ah ok
[09:11] <froud> what's the diff
[09:11] <froud> when we see file with diff ext
[09:11] <froud> we think one file
[09:11] <froud> when we see txt we think multiple files
[09:11] <froud> but in general just do a diff per file
[09:12] <froud> because it makes it easier to role back on things
[09:12] <froud> rob^: you are doing great work btw
[09:13] <rob^> thanks, I'm about to submit another one (I'm on a roll today)
[09:18] <froud> jsgotangco: http://lnix/~froud was updated last night
[09:18] <froud> as per profile targets from mgalvin we now have three faq guides for kde
[09:19] <jsgotangco> whoa
[09:20] <froud> naturally since the books are not properly profiled yet, and kde does not really feature much there are problems in the content
[09:20] <jsgotangco> theres so much kde love
[09:20] <froud> kde is love
[09:20] <froud> jsgotangco: also note the comments in http://lnix.net/~froud/status/kqg-report.html
[09:21] <jsgotangco> checking
[09:21] <froud> js you will also find less helpwanted items
[09:21] <froud> I managed to write a few sects more last night
[09:22] <rob^> froud, just emailed another patch, broken up this time as you suggested
[09:22] <froud> enjoy
[09:22] <froud> rob^: a new one you're ona role dude
[09:31] <froud> jsgotangco: the power of profiles is strong
[09:34] <froud> jsgotangco: you see the qg-report
[09:35] <froud> jsgotangco: if authors learn things about a specific application like the kynaptic story, they can make note of it inline to the document and it will appear in the report
[09:35] <froud> I think it is a good way of bringing important stuff to author attention
[09:35] <froud> and it keeps the notes inline to the xml src
[09:36] <froud> all we need do when we're finished is remove or comment out the authorblurbs
[09:44] <jsgotangco> froud, i will revisit the doc later it seems a lot had changed and is very interesting
[09:53] <froud> jsgotangco: yes, many things will change
[09:54] <froud> jsgotangco: I want to change the structure so that text is first, then images. what do you think?
[09:55] <jsgotangco> text first is much better IMO, since images tend to distract the attention of the reader
[09:56] <jsgotangco> hence if the eyes see the images first, they tend not to read the text
[09:56] <jsgotangco> because most of the time, the image is self-explanatory as in the case of the kqg
[09:56] <froud> yes, I also think so. if you look at the kubuntu system settings it works better
[09:57] <froud> btw the images are there for all kde-systemsettings it means anyone can write the parts marked 'help wanted'
[09:57] <jsgotangco> yeah im going to update my kubuntu later to breezy
[10:03] <froud> jsgotangco: its a bit broke atm
[10:05] <jsgotangco> froud, because of X?
[10:07] <froud> yes
[10:07] <froud> must take my wife to doctor bll
[10:57] <mdke> morning all
[10:57] <mdke> hi jsgotangco !
[11:03] <jsgotangco> hey!
[11:04] <mdke> jsgotangco, how cool is all the faqguide love?
[11:04] <mdke> has mgalvin got his commit account yet?
[11:05] <jsgotangco> no idea
[11:05] <jsgotangco> well the faqguide thing was done by rob
[11:05] <jsgotangco> (mostly though)
[11:05] <mdke> yeah they are both working on it
[11:05] <mdke> doing some great stuff by the looks of things
[11:20] <Kinnison> Burgundavia: viruses :-)
[12:17] <jsgotangco> mdke: blasts in london?
[12:19] <jsgotangco> (must be G8 related)
[12:21] <jsgotangco> later
[02:20] <froud> mdke: are you OK?
[02:21] <mdke> froud, yeah
[02:21] <froud> OK. Hope nobody u know was caught in this mess
[02:22] <mdke> so far everyone I know is present and correct
[02:22] <froud> having lived in Israel for 10-years I know how it feels
[02:22] <mdke> its easy days but it looks like we may have been lucky
[02:22] <mdke> at least compared to previous attacks in madrid and so on
[02:22] <mdke> i just hope that there is no more to come
[02:23] <froud> never lucky when this kind of thing is so cold
[02:24] <froud> hapy to hear you are OK
[02:24] <mdke> thanks
[02:24] <froud> no bad luck on my family side
[02:25] <froud> nobody wa sin London
[02:25] <mdke> good
[06:12] <Njal> lo
[06:12] <mgalvin> hi all
[06:13] <Njal> mdke, you ok? No where near the events were you?
[06:13] <froud> hey Njal hey mgalvin
[06:13] <Njal> lo all
[06:13] <Njal> How everyone?
[06:13] <froud> working
[06:14] <Njal> ah yes, something i really should be doing
[06:14] <mdke> Njal, no i'm good, thanks
[06:14] <mdke> mgalvin, got that svn account yet?
[06:14] <mdke> how are you Njal ?
[06:14] <Njal> Im good, my mate just left a station as it went up so he's a bit shook up but ok.
[06:15] <mdke> that's the important thing
[06:15] <Njal> yeah
[06:15] <mdke> similar experience for a friend of mine
[06:15] <Njal> It really is terrible
[06:15] <mgalvin> mdke, argh, not yet :-/... glad to hear you guys are ok over there
[06:16] <mdke> yeah
[06:17] <Njal> Um remember i submitted that patch for the command line, within the ubuntu-gnome-userguide? I needs to sound less chatty, i was wondering if there was a web link you had i could look at to make it less so
[06:17] <Njal> um
[06:17] <mdke> sure
[06:17] <mdke> check out our styleguide, it has a number of good links :)
[06:17] <mdke> right now the section on grammar isn't done, but if you refer to one of the links, you'll find some good stuff
[06:18] <Njal> got it
[06:18] <Njal> um i think
[06:27] <mgalvin> mdke, i asked elmo yesterday also, he said he would do it in a sec, then i did not hear from him again... he does know about it, but i know he is busy
[06:28] <mdke> yep
[06:47] <Soneras> hi there
[06:47] <mdke> hi Soneras!
[06:47] <froud> hi
[06:47] <Soneras> froud: took a bit longer. joind ubuntu-docs ...pretty quiet place, hehe
[06:47] <froud> Soneras: we try to get screenshots aligned with release artwork
[06:48] <froud> but sometimes it is not realistic
[06:48] <froud> providing that a screen is correct, then the look and feel is a second item
[06:48] <Soneras> yes, I see. That's why I ask early. Though that taking some screenshots (which takes time) could already been done by me
[06:49] <froud> yes, you can do screenshots for german
[06:49] <froud> say for kubuntu quick guide
[06:49] <froud> Soneras: you should also meet mdke
[06:49] <froud> he is the one leading i18n
[06:50] <froud> mdke: Soneras is on kubuntu
[06:50] <froud> eager to translate
[06:50] <mdke> cool
[06:50] <froud> he would like to work in svn for now
[06:50] <Soneras> but I have to warn you, I'm completely new to translating...
[06:50] <mdke> translation work?
[06:50] <froud> and then upload to rosetta
[06:50] <mdke> Soneras, our translation won't start yet until we freeze the documents...
[06:51] <Soneras> I know, froud told me.
[06:51] <mdke> cool
[06:51] <froud> mdke: I think it may help if you explain tools
[06:51] <froud> pot/po etc
[06:51] <mdke> Soneras, you don't like Rosetta?
[06:51] <mdke> froud, ok happy to
[06:52] <mdke> but in rosetta it doesn't need much explanation :D
[06:52] <Soneras> oh I would like to work with rosetta
[06:52] <Soneras> haven't done this yet, but from what I know it's a simple web frontend
[06:52] <mdke> great
[06:52] <mdke> that's correct
[06:53] <Soneras> but as far as i understand theres no kubuntu doc in rosetta yet
[06:53] <mdke> Soneras, we will have our documents in Rosetta so that everyone can work on them using their web browsers
[06:53] <mdke> Soneras, our breezy documentation will go into Rosetta when frozen. Right now there is only hoary documentation
[06:54] <mdke> the best thing is probably to wait until the docs are done. At that stage I will send a lot of emails to mailing lists and LoCoTeams and so on to announce that there is a lot of translation to be done ;)
[06:54] <Soneras> you freeze with the rest of Ubuntu, right? When was this again?
[06:54] <mdke> september the 8th
[06:55] <mdke> hmm
[06:55] <Soneras> so there's a month for the translation. sounds doable - with a webfrontend more people should be willing to help out
[06:56] <mdke> Soneras, that's right. It doesn't sound like a long time, but translation can continue also after Breezy is released, and the extra translations can go in as updates
[06:56] <mdke> also the documentation will be really good so hopefully people will be interested in translating it :)))
[06:57] <Soneras> how will the docs be available anyway? everything will be in a big .deb? and translations will have their own deb, containing everything that has been translated into that language?
[06:57] <mdke> i don't know
[06:57] <Soneras> mdke, you work on the whole ubuntu documentation? or 'only' kubuntu?
[06:57] <mdke> i use Ubuntu mainly
[06:57] <froud> mdke: lang packs
[06:58] <mdke> froud, no chance
[06:58] <froud> why not?
[06:58] <mdke> last time I asked pitti, he said it would be really hard
[06:58] <froud> can see why
[06:58] <mdke> i would think that ubuntu-doc-xx would be the way forward, but we can talk to him about it
[06:58] <froud> yeah
[06:59] <froud> I dont think people what 250 MB of docs installed in every lang
[06:59] <mdke> i agree :D
[06:59] <Soneras> hehe, ok maybe not
[06:59] <froud> Soneras: for kubuntu we will pack like kde does
[07:00] <mdke> kde l10n will be in a language-pack
[07:01] <mdke> maybe if we get pitti to package them, he can organise it so that the language detector used by the installer will also install the correct language of documentation
[07:01] <froud> mdke: exactly
[07:01] <froud> and default to en if != xx
[07:01] <mdke> yeah
[07:02] <mdke> i think he has quite a clever language detector in mind
[07:02] <mdke> i think i will speak to him soon about this, never to early to start planning
[07:03] <froud> sure
[07:06] <mdke> Soneras, if you have any questions about Rosetta, feel free to ask
[07:06] <Soneras> yes, anything kubuntu releated that will be used in breezy already there I can work on?
[07:06] <Soneras> oh, and does rosetta include translated screenshots as well?
[07:07] <mdke> 1. yes: kubuntu is in rosetta under breezy, but no documentation yet
[07:07] <mdke> 2. i will have to investigate what to do with screenshots
[07:09] <Soneras> I'll wait a bit with that as well, cause I guess I'd be pretty frustrated if I did a lot of screenshots that became outdated ;)
[07:10] <mdke> well there is now an official Ubuntu artwork team
[07:10] <mdke> since this week
[07:10] <mdke> but i presume that artwork will be released late as usual :(
[07:11] <Soneras> do they work on the kubuntu part as well?
[07:11] <mdke> not sure
[07:11] <mdke> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtTeam
[07:11] <mdke> that would be worth investigating
[07:12] <jjesse> i thought the goal was to have the art work more focused for breezy, i remember reading that some where
[07:13] <mdke> yep
[07:13] <mdke> that doesn't mean they will release it earlier tho ;)
[07:14] <Soneras> hmm, from what I can they seem rather Ubuntu specific, guess it won't affect kubuntu very much =)
[07:21] <mdke> kubuntu has good artwork iirc
[07:21] <mdke> they should combine
[07:22] <froud> Soneras: most of kde art is a kde-log.org
[07:22] <froud> kde-look.org
[07:23] <froud> various widgets in kde let you just preview and install artwork from kde-look.org
[07:26] <Soneras> yes, KDE has very good artwork. It's just not kubuntu specific. Do you know if there'll be some more in breezy than there was in hoary, froud?
[07:26] <Soneras> not that hoary's kubuntu artwork was bad ;)
[07:27] <froud> Well kde-look.org now has several kubuntu themes and wallpapers
[07:27] <froud> Soneras: I have something for you to do :-)
[07:28] <froud> You know the Kubuntu Quick Guide
[07:28] <Soneras> aye
[07:28] <froud> Well you may have noticed that
[07:28] <froud> the screenshot comes first and then the text
[07:29] <Soneras> yes
[07:31] <froud> we want to change the order of that
[07:31] <froud> text first, screenshot after
[07:31] <froud> perhaps you can cut and past the text from after screenshots and paste it before the screenshot?
[07:31] <froud> it would be a great help
[07:31] <froud> one less thing to do later
[07:31] <froud> and would get you familiar with the doc
[07:32] <Soneras> and the whole system (svn and such) yes, sounds ok to me
[07:32] <Soneras> copy, paste. ok :)
[07:32] <froud> just that document
[07:32] <froud> I believe you also have a working copy
[07:33] <Soneras> I do, but just to be sure I have to do "svn up" correct?
[07:33] <froud> yes
[07:34] <froud> I will not work on it more today
[07:34] <Soneras> ok, I'll have a look
[07:34] <froud> so as to keep out of your way
[07:35] <Soneras> ah, now I see it's only one big xml - thought it was divided into several pieces.
[07:35] <froud> no one xml-instance
[07:37] <froud> wen you have had enough just create a patch
[07:40] <Soneras> you want the first paragraph of every section abovve the screenshot?
[07:40] <froud> yes
[07:40] <froud> Any text below the image should be above it
[07:41] <froud> Of ocurse if you feel that a para or note should go below the image then use your discretion
[07:44] <Soneras> you already did at least the first ones, didn't you?
[07:44] <froud> Some of the first ones are done
[07:44] <froud> and some don't have screenshots
[07:44] <froud> so not a problem
[07:45] <Soneras> ok, last to-be-sure question:
[07:45] <Soneras> now there is:
[07:45] <Soneras> "KPDF is a KDE PDF viewer based on the xpdf code. Although being based on xpdf code, KPDF has some unique features like continuous mode, presentation support, etc.
[07:45] <Soneras> For more information see the KPDF manual."
[07:45] <froud> shoot :-)
[07:45] <Soneras> image above that
[07:45] <Soneras> I'd make it:
[07:45] <Soneras> "KPDF is a KDE PDF viewer based on the xpdf code. Although being based on xpdf code, KPDF has some unique features like continuous mode, presentation support, etc.

[07:45] <Soneras> For more information see the KPDF manual."
[07:46] <froud> Yep
[07:46] <froud> nice
[07:46] <Soneras> k
[07:46] <froud> there are a number of refs to manuals the way you did it would be good
[08:19] <Soneras> froud, how may I send you a patch file?
[08:19] <Soneras> I did the change up till utilities and maybe you'd like to check before I continue
[08:27] <froud> Soneras: send to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>for now
[08:28] <froud> For future you can join ubuntu-docs@lists and send patches there
[08:28] <froud> accepted your dcc
[08:29] <froud> Soneras: dcc failed connecting. try again
[08:29] <Soneras> froud, ok one sec
[08:30] <Soneras> works? otherwise I'll just mail
[08:30] <froud> send mail it failed
[08:30] <Soneras> ok
[08:31] <froud> I am behind my firewall and I did not open that port
[08:31] <Soneras> no problem
[08:43] <froud> Soneras: cool looks good. why did you not do the login?
[08:45] <Soneras> wasn't sure there, will fix it with the later sections
[08:45] <froud> Soneras: patch applied you can svn up
[08:45] <froud> oops wait a sec
[08:46] <Soneras> what would've happened if I continued to work after the patch and then send you another patch? would tht still work?
[08:46] <froud> no you would be sending me the first patch again
[08:46] <froud> = extra
[08:46] <froud> + extra
[08:49] <froud> Soneras: Ok now you can svn up
[08:49] <froud> that should merge the changes
[08:49] <froud> and then you can svn diff kquickguide.xml > kquickguide.xml.diff next time you are ready
[08:50] <froud> btw. no need to tar.gz
[08:51] <Soneras> good. How / when are you goind to work on kquickguide? I'd like to do this tomorrow in one go, so I wouldn't start again today.
[08:51] <froud> sure np
[08:51] <froud> just always svn up before you start work
[08:51] <froud> and svn up before you make patches
[08:53] <Soneras> ah ok =) any more info I need to give when sending you patches via mail (in case you're not in irc) ?
[08:56] <froud> no, just have fun
[08:56] <froud> remember the guys here can also help
[08:57] <mgalvin> is the svn server (downloading data) really slow for you guys? it has been for me for a few days
[08:58] <jjesse> just started today, but a lot of my mailing lists and sites i've checked have been slow today
[08:58] <Soneras> I'll be idle for the rest of the day, thanks for alle the help getting started.
[08:59] <mgalvin> jjesse, ok, at least its not just me then, thnx
[09:00] <froud> Soneras:  no, thanks to you
[09:00] <froud> mgalvin: svn is working stong here
[09:01] <mgalvin> i just did a fresh install of colony 2, did a fresh checkout from svn, its been downloading data for an hour and its still not done getting everything
[09:01] <mgalvin> hmmm
[09:01] <froud> hmm colony of ubuntu
[09:01] <mgalvin> yea, breezy colony 2
[09:02] <mgalvin> sorry yes ubuntu
[09:02] <froud> svn has many files
[09:02] <froud> but should co quick enough
[09:02] <mgalvin> right, its usually really quick for me
[09:03] <mgalvin> i have a 700+K/s cable connection, it usually flys by
[09:05] <mgalvin> not a big deal, maybe i'll try getting back on hoary, and see if its better, maybe an issue with the nic driver in the new kernel, it does give me odd error messages when booting about eth0 anyhow
[09:19] <mgalvin> gotta run, bbl
[10:18] <froud> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[10:18] <froud> what is the meaning of restricted
[10:21] <Burgundavia> restricted is non-free stuff that is needed and security supported
[10:22] <Burgundavia> currently the ati and nvidia drivers
[10:22] <Burgundavia> and the eagle modem drivers
[10:22] <froud> so why this
[10:22] <froud> deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)] / hoary main restricted
[10:22] <Burgundavia> the cd contians those drivers
[10:22] <froud> Ah ha
[10:22] <froud> yes I remember reading this somewhere
[10:25] <froud> Burgundavia: cant remember, is hoary-security commented out by default?
[10:29] <Burgundavia> shouldn't be
[10:29] <Burgundavia> is it>
[10:29] <Burgundavia> ?
[10:29] <froud> cant remember
[10:29] <Burgundavia> I am going to do a fresh hoary install next week, so I can tell you
[10:29] <froud> I will go with common sense and say no
[10:30] <Burgundavia> make a note, so we can confirm that
[10:30] <froud> how r u dude. you have been here but not in person ;-)
[10:30] <Burgundavia> looking for a job
[10:31] <froud> any luck
[10:31] <Burgundavia> and staying at other peoples places (my parents, my gfs)
[10:31] <Burgundavia> no
[10:42] <froud> that hard to find work in Canada?
[10:42] <froud> Burgundavia: have you thought of starting your own business?
[10:52] <froud> I am building kubuntu-docs-0.1ubuntu1 nightly, should I bump the ubuntu1 each night?
[10:52] <froud> file:///home/sean/ubuntu-docs/trunk/build/kde/kquickguide
[10:52] <froud> file:///home/sean/ubuntu-docs/trunk/build/kde/kuserguide
[10:52] <froud> file:///home/sean/ubuntu-docs/trunk/build/kde/index.html
[10:52] <froud> oops
[10:52] <froud> sorry
[10:53] <froud> or should I add ubuntu1-1 ubuntu1-2 ubuntu1-3
[11:08] <uniq> hi froud, i think bumping it is a good idea. I can provide a script to scan the directory with the .deb for .debs and make it apt-getable too. if you want.
[11:08] <froud> uniq: nice
[11:09] <froud> uniq: ok from tomorrow I will start bumping it
[11:09] <froud> method ubuntu1-1
[11:09] <froud> or ubuntu1
[11:09] <froud> ubuntu1-2 or ubuntu2
[11:09] <uniq> ubuntu2
[11:10] <froud> that will be a big number by release date
[11:11] <uniq> you can bump the other numbers too.
[11:12] <froud> what the debian numbers
[11:12] <froud> uniq: do you see the blue callouts on this page http://lnix.net/~froud/kuserguide/C/ch38s02.html
[11:12] <uniq> i was thinking 'kubuntu-docs-1:5.10-1ubuntu1' or something like that, for the release.
[11:13] <uniq> yes, the blue squares.
[11:13] <froud> according to riddle we cant change the debian numbers
[11:13] <uniq> what debian numbers?
[11:13] <froud> yes blue squares in konqueror
[11:13] <froud> use firefox
[11:14] <froud> the 0.1 is the debian number
[11:14] <uniq> the package is ours, debian does not provide this package, so we can change everything i guess?
[11:14] <uniq> unless it's frozen now.
[11:14] <froud> Hmm
[11:14] <froud> yes it is ours
[11:14] <froud> but Riddell says not to change the debian number
[11:14] <uniq> it's not included in breezy either.
[11:15] <froud> well it will be
[11:15] <froud> at least that is the idea
[11:15] <uniq> i think he is talking about other packages. we don't change the debian/upstream version numbers when building software packages.
[11:16] <froud> yeah I agree
[11:16] <froud> so then we can just bump the 0.1
[11:17] <uniq> i thiunk it would be nice if the docs package reflect the release version number. 5.10 for breezy.
[11:17] <uniq> *think.
[11:18] <froud> I like kubuntu-docs-5.10-1.1 kubuntu-docs-5.10-1.2 kubuntu-docs-5.10-1.3 etc.
[11:19] <uniq> fine with me.
[11:19] <froud> but we should speak to Riddell about it
[11:19] <uniq> maybe -0.1 and so on before release?
[11:20] <froud> about that page, do you see how konqueror does the wrong thing
[11:20] <uniq> it's nice to have 5.10-1.0 for release :)
[11:20] <froud> yes
[11:20] <uniq> oh.. i'll have to test with firefox.. hang on.
[11:22] <froud> konqueror adds blue squares when they should be round and have numbers
[11:22] <uniq> bugs.kde.org :)
[11:22] <froud> so its on your system too
[11:22] <uniq> btw. did you get your breezy running?
[11:23] <froud> the bug must be in kde-default.css
[11:23] <froud> no not yet
[11:23] <uniq> yes, firefox does this the proper way.
[11:23] <uniq> I upgraded to breezy yesterday.
[11:23] <froud> I saw
[11:23] <froud> and now your vts dont work :-)
[11:24] <uniq> they do now, a reboot fixed it womehow.
[11:24] <uniq> somehow.
[11:24] <uniq> vodoo magic.
[11:24] <froud> wow
[11:24] <froud> voodoo indeed
[11:24] <froud> what did you have to do to make breezy work
[11:25] <froud> Riddell gave me some idea that hackery was needed
[11:26] <uniq> changed the fontpaths in /etc/X11/xorg.conf to /usr/share/X11/fonts/ and that's about it.
[11:26] <uniq> i had to force a overwrite on xorg-common too, if i recall correctly.
[11:26] <froud> no dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[11:26] <uniq> no.
[11:27] <froud> Ok that's it
[11:28] <uniq> dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/path/to/packagefailingtoinstall.deb
[11:28] <uniq> is the command to force overwriting.
[11:28] <froud> when do I need to do that, after the upgrade finished
[11:29] <uniq> when the upgrade stops with the error 'tried to overwrite XXX which is also in package XXX'
[11:29] <froud> Ok I am getting errors about one of the repositories
[11:30] <froud> cant remember now which
[11:30] <froud> something in a Restricted
[11:31] <Burgundavia> froud, no thanks
[11:31] <froud> Burgundavia: you should you are good
[11:32] <Burgundavia> my step-mother runs a small business
[11:32] <Burgundavia> seems like a lot of work
[11:32] <froud> yes, but worth it
[11:32] <froud> the trick is to plan it that the people you employ do the work
[11:32] <Burgundavia> right
[11:33] <froud> in other words you dont work in the company, you go to work on the company
[11:33] <froud> the first year or two are hard
[11:33] <froud> after that it gets easier
[11:34] <froud> geeze mdke is multipling
[11:35] <froud> well http://lnix/~froud is updated
[11:35] <Burgundavia> bloody english, having kids they can't blood feed
[11:35] <froud> :-) on that note I am going to bed
[11:35] <froud> c you in the morn
[11:42] <mdke> ;)


[06:54] <Mirv> thresh: hmm, that's a tricky one. appmenu-qt5 got removed from zesty because the functionality is now in upstream Qt. but the package is required on xenial. file an issue at https://github.com/ubuntu/snapcraft-desktop-helpers would be a good start.
[08:27] <thresh> Mirv, oh thanks.  Looks like it's already there: https://github.com/ubuntu/snapcraft-desktop-helpers/issues/62
[13:59] <mup> PR snapcraft#1239 closed: catkin plugin: create completely valid environment <Created by kyrofa> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1239>


[12:39] <dgeorge> am i fixed
[12:39] <PriceChild> dgeorge, yes, ompaul informed you long ago you could rejoin #ubuntu :)
[12:39] <dgeorge> thank you
[12:39] <stdin> sounds painful
[12:40] <PriceChild> stdin, :)
[12:40] <PriceChild> yay he made it
[12:41] <Xoris> heh
[03:06] <Tm_T> ooh noes, it's Flying Spaghetti Monster, hiiiide!
[03:08] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:09] <Tm_T> how are you Hobbsee?
[03:09] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: good :0
[03:09] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: assignments and stuff.  not so fun
[03:09] <Tm_T> what's that smiley
[03:11] <Hobbsee> * :)
[03:12] <Tm_T> ah, that's more familiar (:
[08:59] <ubot3> In ##akforum.net, RomG78 said: ubot3:  where is zim
[09:00] <ubot3> In ##akforum.net, RomG78 said: ubot3: murder is a new trick for a robot
[09:01] <elkbuntu> nalioth, gag your silly bot
[09:02] <ubot3> In ##akforum.net, RomG78 said: ubot3: where is Invader_Zim1987
[09:04] <Gary> woo yay
[10:19] <Amaranth> wtf is ubot3 and what is it doing in ##akforum.net?
[10:21] <elkbuntu> Amaranth, ubot3 is nalioth's ubotu, and it also hides in a ak47 fan club channel
[10:21] <Amaranth> yay gun nuts :/
[10:25] <Gary> now I am never gonna meet nalioth :p
[01:57] <matti> Hello!
[01:57] <matti> Could somebody test me :)
[02:07] <rob> what are we testing?
[02:08] <Amaranth> rob: router exploit
[02:08] <rob> ah
[02:10] <rob> err
[02:10] <rob> DCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0
[02:11] <elkbuntu> ...
[02:12] <elkbuntu> that was clever
[02:13] <elkbuntu> rob, PMs were invented for a reason
[02:14] <rob> elkbuntu, so was proper checking in ones script..
[02:19] <Amaranth> matti: free to enter #ubuntu
[02:37] <matti> rob: Thanks.
[02:37] <matti> :)
[03:39] <Lauree> Can I be tested?
[03:39] <rob> sure
[03:39] <rob> DCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0
[03:40] <rob> that would be a "fail"..
[03:40] <elkbuntu> heh, how did you stop nalioth's script?
[03:41] <rob> magic :)
[03:41] <rob> actually I just -K'ed him
[03:45] <Hobbsee> -K'd?
[03:45] <elkbuntu> took kill-fu off him
[03:45] <elkbuntu> are you only doing it temporarily whilst you test?
[03:46] <Lauree> can I be tested?
[03:47] <Seveas> DCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0
[03:47] <Seveas> that would be "no fail"..
[03:47] <Seveas> :)
[03:47] <elkbuntu> a 100% improvement on last time ;)
[03:47] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: ahhh
[03:47] <Seveas> you can join #Ubuntu again
[03:48] <Hobbsee> you cant.
[03:48] <Hobbsee> you couldnt pick me up
[03:49] <Hobbsee> Seveas: i'm fully aware that boston will be a freezer.  that wont be hard.
[03:50] <pleia2> it's not that cold :) (of course I'm telling this to the woman who thinks 35C is nice)
[03:50] <Hobbsee> pleia2: :)
[03:51] <Hobbsee> pleia2: what's the average temp of boston going to be at teh end of october?
[03:51] <jrib> october shouldn't be bad
[03:51] <pleia2> Hobbsee: around 10C or so?
[03:52] <jrib> Oct 12 Highest temperature, 90F, 1954    wow
[03:52] <Hobbsee> pleia2: yuck.  not *that* much colder than some of winter here.
[03:53] <Hobbsee> so maybe i wont completely freeze
[03:53] <jrib> Oct 27 Lowest temperature, 25F, 1936  :)
[03:53] <Hobbsee> (if i go)
[03:54] <pleia2> ok yeah, average 8-17 (low-high)
[03:56] <rob> elkbuntu, yes, until he comes back
[03:59] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[04:43] <Xoris> #ubuntu: * kaldik has quit IRC ("fuck off asslicking shithole")
[04:45] <Gary> nice /quit message, I like it
[04:45] <TheSheep> makes the quit much more permanent
[04:45] <Gary> yeah
[05:04] <jenda> :D
[05:06] <jenda> it's so humiliating to have to do bans manually :(
[05:06] <jenda> damn broken aliases
[05:11] <Gary> jenda, chanserv.py ftw
[05:12] <jenda> Gary: not in irssi :)
[05:13] <Gary> hahaha
[05:14] <elkbuntu> Gary, you mean sorry sascatmoycaboyh
[05:15] <Gary> pardon?
[05:15] <Gary> I'm lost elky
[05:15] <elkbuntu> http://www.sourcecode.de/node/897
[05:15] <pleia2> that's elk's new nickname :)
[05:16] <elkbuntu> pleia2, im still debating whether to do /nick on this server
[05:16] <pleia2> :)
[05:16] <Gary> elky - lol
[05:16] <elkbuntu> but it would be seriously teetering on trolling
[05:16] <Gary> elkymom :-D
[05:17] <elkbuntu> pleia2, did you happen to notice what his 'outgoing links' symbols were by any chance?
[05:17] <Gary> anyways, what I said was not rude, just if I had to decribe what I said would have been :p
[05:17] <pleia2> elkbuntu: nope
[05:18] <Gary> they are MALE gender symbols
[05:18] <elkbuntu> i only just noticed
[05:19] <pleia2> oh geez :)
[05:19] <pleia2> we should introduce him to aoirthoir
[05:21] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: pleia2 now, it'd be so inappropriate if i posted to the marketing mailing list, wouldnt it?
[05:21] <Hobbsee> with http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/issues/issue_17/109-OMG-Girlz-Don-t-Exist-on-teh-Intarweb-1
[05:21] <elkbuntu> lol
[05:23] <Myrtti> +1
[05:23] <pleia2> Hobbsee: hehe
[05:24] <elkbuntu> it would be a little trollish :
[05:24] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: bah.  there's the fun :P
[05:27] <Amaranth> that's actually a fairly common symbol for outgoing links
[05:27] <Amaranth> it's a box with an arrow flying out of it
[05:27] <Amaranth> I used to use it too
[05:28] <pleia2> Amaranth: ah ok, thanks for clarifying
[05:29] <Amaranth> Welcome to the world usability and no surprises :)
[05:30] <TheSheep> well, there is no reason why it can't be both
[05:30] <Hobbsee> Seveas: are you around?
[05:30] <Gary> what about a circle with two arrows?
[05:30] <Seveas> sort of
[05:30] <Seveas> fighting iptables
[05:31] <TheSheep> Gary: look them in the unicode tables, there is quite a lot of them, some are old alchemic symbols, other are for "unusual" genders...
[05:31] <Hobbsee> Seveas: can you give me access of 30 in #ubuntu-bugs instead of 10 please?
[05:31] <Hobbsee> Seveas: and also bdmurray?
[05:31] <Hobbsee> (he's the bugs master, he needs to have the power in -bugs)
[05:32] <Seveas> -ChanServ- [Hobbsee]  has been added to the access list for #ubuntu-bugs with level [30]
[05:32] <Seveas> -ChanServ- [bdmurray]  has been added to the access list for #ubuntu-bugs with level [30]
[05:32] <Hobbsee> Seveas: thanks a lot!
[05:32] <elkbuntu> Gary, http://www.atm.ox.ac.uk/user/iwi/charmap.html <- select "26: misc symbols" from the select box
[05:34] <TheSheep> http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/14/149.html <-- debian?
[05:36] <Seveas> !test
[05:36] <ubotu> failed
[05:36] <Seveas> good boy
[05:50] <pleia2> Hobbsee: these things always get crazy like this
[05:50] <Hobbsee> pleia2: true that
[05:50] <pleia2> I spent two hours this morning sorting out how to properly explain to U-W that they need to chill
[05:50] <pleia2> and then sent 3 big ole emails
[05:50] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:51] <elkbuntu> Seveas, did you see my new nick?
[05:51] <Seveas> no
[05:52] <Seveas> elkbuntu, is it 'arniebitch'? :)
[05:52] <elkbuntu> Seveas, http://www.sourcecode.de/node/897
[05:52] <Seveas> unf, \sh again?
[05:53] <elkbuntu> yeah. follow his link to my blog, and read his arsehole comments
[05:53] <Seveas> no thanks
[05:53] <Seveas> \sh is on my ignore list
[05:53] <elkbuntu> "Melissa 'elkubuntu' Draper, self approved sexual corrector and the mother of your children and brain of your head (or short: sascatmoycaboyh)"
[05:54] <Seveas> I'm glad he's no longer on the planet
[05:54] <elkbuntu> yeah
[05:54] <mc44> thats a rubbish acronym too
[05:54] <elkbuntu> mc44, no kidding
[05:54] <Hobbsee> oh neat, u-w outright rejects if yo'ur enot on the ML.
[05:54] <pleia2> but now Hobbsee doesn't have anyone to tell her she's a sexy lady :(
[05:54] <mc44> he could at least have come up with something funny
[05:55] <Seveas> mc44, I think 'arniebitch' would have been funny :)
[05:55] <mc44> Hobbsee: you're a sexy lady. never forget!
[05:55] <mc44> Seveas: haha
[05:55] <Hobbsee> :P
[05:55] <elkbuntu> Seveas, but the best bit came in my blog comments, when he showed his misogynist side to the hilt
[05:55] <Seveas> mc44, Hobbsee is more evil than sexy. Beware
[05:55] <elkbuntu> "But I think its a problem with some of the girls social environment and with the girls own person. The only thing we can to do is just to ignore them or to tell them they should go away, because they are causing more harm and chaos for the project."
[05:55] <mc44> Seveas: my two favourite things :)
[05:56] <Seveas> mc44, not that kind of evil
[05:56] <elkbuntu> Seveas, isnt that just *so* encouraging to women!
[05:57] <pleia2> Hobbsee: re UW ML - yeah, I've tried to convince the admin to change that, but she, uh, stubborn (gross understatement)
[05:57] <Hobbsee> heh, of course
[05:57] <Hobbsee> pleia2: ah right
[05:57] <Amaranth> Honestly I was a little annoyed at the whole ordeal
[05:57] <pleia2> Amaranth: so am I :(
[05:57] <elkbuntu> Amaranth, we were too
[05:58] <Amaranth> elkbuntu: I meant your original blog
[05:58] <Seveas> elkbuntu, \sh will never be encouraging to women
[05:59] <elkbuntu> Amaranth, do explain
[05:59] <Amaranth> elkbuntu: Mostly just what laserjock already said
[06:00] <Amaranth> I understand your feeling on the matter but if I have to double check everything I say to see if it'll piss you off I'll get sick of trying to say anything
[06:00] <Amaranth> Or anyone else, not singling you out
[06:00] <Amaranth> It was a minor thing
[06:00] <Amaranth> And an accurate statement
[06:01] <pleia2> if you think it is a "minor thing" then you don't understand our feelings on the matter
[06:01] <pleia2> but I am done talking about this
[06:02] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: political correctness sucks, yes.
[06:02] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: however, i dont particularly like being treated as a man, or someone else's girlfriend (or wife), by an idiot who doesnt know when to keep his mouth shut
[06:02] <elkbuntu> Amaranth, this comment might help: http://www.geekosophical.net/?p=143#comment-61064
[06:02] <Hobbsee> hint:  if i'm not wearing a ring, then i'm *probably* not married to the person that i'm wandering around with.
[06:02] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: there has to be a balance somewhere
[06:03] <Amaranth> We had it, you ruined it
[06:03] <Hobbsee> me personally?
[06:03] <pleia2> Hobbsee: yes, Ubuntu was fine before we had women as Core Devs :P
[06:04] <NotAmaranth> pleia2: Don't even start that shit
[06:04] <NotAmaranth> If you think I don't understand what you go through you know nothing about my high school years
[06:04] <pleia2> NotAmaranth: sarcasm
[06:04] <Hobbsee> pleia2: :P
[06:04] <NotAmaranth> You have others to relate to, I didn't even have that comfort
[06:04] <NotAmaranth> So stop telling me I don't understand your problems
[06:05] <NotAmaranth> I understand them completely and you're still pushing the issue too far
[08:02] <ubotu> In ubotu, Manehzito said: there is no such information there
[08:13] <ubotu> DWSR called the ops in #ubuntu
[08:29] <PriceChild> Gary, what's with the change in nick?
[08:31] <stdin> I think he's hiding from the feds
[08:46] <ubotu> Meyvn called the ops in #ubuntu
[08:46] <Seveas> zielu is the one we had fun with a few days ago
[08:46] <Seveas> our uberleet hacker
[08:47] <PriceChild> jenda, :)
[08:47] <jenda> :(
[08:47] <jenda> iDunno how to fix it.
[08:47] <Seveas> iJenda
[08:47] <PriceChild> Seveas, will know i'm sure
[08:47] <jenda> Seveas avoid irssi :)
[08:47] <jenda> *avoids
[08:47] <Seveas> -jenda- VERSION irssi v0.8.11-rc1 - running on Linux i686
[08:47] <jenda> yeah
[08:47] <Seveas> I know how to fix it
[08:47] <Seveas> use xchat
[08:48] <PriceChild> jenda, told you.
[08:48] <Meyvn> hello ops, I have a suggestion, perhaps this could be added to ubotu: http://fosswire.com/2007/08/02/unixlinux-command-cheat-sheet/ it's a cheat-sheet for bash which on printable PDF, free of charge, to help new Ubuntu users get familiar with the most basic commands
[08:48] <jenda> and I think it's Gentoo, to make matters worse :)
[08:48] <nalioth> Meyvn: it is better than
[08:48] <nalioth> !cli
[08:48] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[08:50] <Meyvn> nalioth: I wouldn't say better, but it's a one page reference that you can print out and stick to your wall next to your comp for easy reference ;)
[08:53] <Meyvn> anyhow just my 2c, Meyvn out ;) have a nice day!
[08:54] <Seveas> @t
[08:54] <ubotu> Mr. T is so strong, he could beat himself at arm wrestling.
[08:55] <Gary> PriceChild, I wanted this when I first came to freenode, but it was taken
[08:55] <Gary> had to wait for it to expire
[08:55] <PriceChild> good answer :)
[08:56] <Gary> oops, I just fell off my chair
[08:56] <Gary> damn this bar
[08:56] <PriceChild> that excited about the new name? :)
[08:56] <PriceChild> bar?
[08:56] <PriceChild> are you in the pub?1
[08:56] <Seveas> what's the expiry time for nicks again?
[08:56] <Seveas> 2 months?
[08:57] <Gary> 60 days isn't it :p
[08:57] <PriceChild> isn't it 40 days?
[08:57] <PriceChild> 60 soudns better
[08:57] <jenda> 60 days
[08:57] <Gary> "If the nickname you want is registered but has not been used for at least 60 days"
[08:58] <jenda> sometimes, we'll refuse to drop it even if it has
[08:58] <jenda> just to make users more angry
[08:58] <Gary> lol
[08:59] <Gary> freenode and it's policies, tsk
[08:59] <Gary> Seveas, have you seen his pic? lol
[08:59] <PriceChild> Gary, the one ont he wiki?
[09:00] <Gary> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JendaVancura?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Penguin.png awwww, nice suit lol
[09:00] <Gary> massive collars
[09:00] <jenda> :D
[09:00] <jenda> yeah, the shirt's a bit bigger than it should be - the suit kinda hides that.
[09:01] <jenda> (or the wearer is smaller than he should be? ;))
[09:01] <Gary> scary lawyerish guy :p
[09:01] <jenda> Gary: you're gonna get so sued later in your life...
[09:02] <Gary> what for?
[09:02] <jenda> Oh, don't worry.
[09:02] <jenda> I'll find something.
[09:02] <Gary> haha
[09:02] <Gary> bite me
[09:02] <Seveas> I have incriminating evidence
[09:02] <nalioth> garishly garbed Gary
[09:02] <Gary> Seveas, shh, I've seen your ginger pic, shhh
[09:02] <Seveas> Gary, so?
[09:03] <Gary> nothing, no reason :-D
[09:03] <Seveas> :P
[09:03] <Seveas> you suck anyway
[09:03] <Gary> Seveas, so they say, so they say
[09:03] <Seveas> in -asl they say it out loud
[09:03] <jenda> Seveas: good, I'll need some ;)
[09:03] <Gary> but it helps with income :p
[09:03] <jenda> haha
[09:04] <nalioth> cousin to Leisure Suit Larry
[11:52] <Seveas> @pity ompaul
[11:52] <ompaul> Seveas, I have seen Mr T and well I thought him to pity
[11:56] <Pumpernickel> @t
[11:56] <ubotu> The Ice Age didn't cause the extinction of the dinosaurs... Mr. T did.
[12:01] <mneptok> he pitied the Yucatan
[12:03] <mc44> I aint gettin on no peninsular
[12:07] <Seveas> ompaul, I think the -offtopic sutuation is defused now
[12:07] <ompaul> Seveas, yeap
[12:07] <ompaul> ergo I went to the messing with mute me
[12:08] <Xoris> wrong
[12:20] <Amaranth> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[12:20] <Amaranth> I forgot to set the flag


[16:45] <praths> upgraded -to 20.04 working- -fine- -since 2days after -upgrade -u -can- see -in- -msg -these -hypens -irritatin-g -disab-led -repeated -key in- -accesb-ility -no- -chan-ge -


[01:32] <innatech> Am I supposed to let the updater replace  /etc/mysql/conf.d/mythtv.cnf ?
[01:34] <innatech> see discussion at http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2012-June/335028.html
[01:34] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] [mythtv-users] Remote frontends can't connect following Mythbuntu update
[01:35] <innatech> What's the correct choice?
[01:38] <innatech> Let it replace the cnf and then uncomment the "bind-address=<IP_ADDRESS> line", or just add the "max_connections" line that was added in myth 0.25 ?
[01:49] <innatech> I'll just add the missing line to my existing .cnf,....


[06:49] <kbmonkey> morning
[07:30] <nlsthzn> o/
[07:34] <kbmonkey> hallo nlsthzn
[07:34] <nlsthzn> how are you kbmonkey ?
[07:35] <kbmonkey> fine thanks, and you?
[07:35] <kbmonkey> deciding what I should do today
[07:36] <kbmonkey> ...now that some of the chores are done
[07:48] <nlsthzn> ah nice... I am at work, half asleep... normal :p
[07:51] <kbmonkey> at work?! shame man, that is not my idea of a weekend :p
[08:06] <nlsthzn> Sunday isn't week-end :p
[08:06] <nlsthzn> also I work shifts so I never have week-ends :/
[08:08] <kbmonkey> oh man, I can't do shift work like that. then again we get so much of b.s. at work I cant imagine
[08:09] <nlsthzn> :)
[08:09] <kbmonkey> I probably would not mind shift work if it was not bad work :)
[08:11] <nlsthzn> dunno, work is work :p
[08:14] <kbmonkey> so very true. unless you are a game tester, then I hate you :p
[08:17] <nlsthzn> that only happens in the movies :p
[08:23] <kbmonkey> I guess :]
[08:23] <kbmonkey> had a mate back when who moved to us and became a game tester for blizzard
[08:24] <kbmonkey> but chances for that happening to us mortals is astronomical
[08:24] <kbmonkey> so... only happens in movies :]
[08:38] <nlsthzn> :D
[08:39] <nlsthzn> I mean :'(
[10:58] <charl_> good afternoon
[10:58] <charl_> hi nlsthzn, kbmonkey, psychicist
[10:59] <kbmonkey> hi charl_
[11:00] <charl_> how's it going
[11:03] <nlsthzn> wazzup!?!?!?!?!?!?!
[11:05] <charl_> lol
[11:06] <kbmonkey> wuzaaaap
[11:07] <nlsthzn> :D
[11:08]  * nlsthzn just enrolled in some coursera courses... again... perhaps I will actual do them this ime
[11:08] <nlsthzn> *time
[11:08] <charl_> so yesterday i looked at netflix and then after that i looked at spotify but that also looks rather disappointing
[11:09] <charl_> you sign up for the first 6 months you get unlimited streaming and then after that it becomes 10 hours per month on a free account
[11:09] <charl_> in the meantime, grooveshark lets you stream unlimited and you don't even need to sign in for it
[11:09] <charl_> and it's globally available while spotify is only available in some parts of the world
[11:10] <charl_> the good thing about spotify however is that at least there *is* actually an officially supported linux version
[11:10] <charl_> if you don't just want to run it in the browser, that is
[11:11] <kbmonkey> charl_, you may want to read this
[11:11] <kbmonkey> http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/cancel-netflix-if-you-value-freedom
[11:12] <kbmonkey> for your consideration :)
[11:12]  * nlsthzn uses grooveshark... just because it is available...
[11:14]  * nlsthzn doesn't worry to much about fsf... if I did I wouldn't be able to use any computer in good conscious
[11:14] <nlsthzn> except some netbook made in china
[11:14] <nlsthzn> and have people e-mail me webpages
[11:15] <nlsthzn> and page me to use a payphone to talk to them
[11:15] <nlsthzn> and wear a tinfoil hat ;)
[11:17] <kbmonkey> I think it is more about preventing bad things from happening in the future because there is nobody else to resist these digital handcuffs
[11:18]  * nlsthzn just poking fun
[11:19] <nlsthzn> like we were talking yesterday it sucks that WC3 is starting to look to standarize DRM as a standard for HTML5 etc...
[11:19] <kbmonkey> :p you got me!
[11:20] <confluency> *conscience
[11:21] <confluency> </spelling pedantry>
[11:22] <confluency> I think services like Netflix are a step in the right direction in many ways, but it's a pity about the region restrictions, file renting, platform requirements, etc..
[11:23] <charl_> kbmonkey: very good article
[11:23] <confluency> I think large media companies are just too old and paranoid to let go of their counterproductive obsessions about control.
[11:23] <charl_> kbmonkey: my concerns were mainly about platform dependency (gnu/linux not being an officially supported platform) and the quality of video which apparently leaves much to be desired
[11:24] <nlsthzn> confluency, ah yes, that is the word I was looking for :p
[11:24] <confluency> They don't seem to understand that if their products are already being pirated it *doesn't matter* if they let their legitimate customers download DRM-free files, and that by not doing so they are giving their paying customers a worse experience than piracy.
[11:24] <confluency> It's really frustrating.
[11:24] <confluency> But I think we just have to wait for some of these people to die of old age.
[11:25] <kbmonkey> lol, I guess that is one way.
[11:25] <confluency> I find things like the Humble Bundle, and TOR books abandoning DRM, encouraging.
[11:25] <kbmonkey> me too!
[11:27] <charl_> it's been an old discussion about drm and i find it hard to believe that some people are still wanting it
[11:27] <charl_> the problem is that the pay-for sites offer such a bad service (video quality, streaming problems, etc) that it's sending people to pirate content they already paid for
[11:28] <charl_> just because bittorrent is faster, easier and you get better quality material
[11:28] <kbmonkey> I read a good article that explains that DRM is not there to prevent copyright infringement.
[11:28] <charl_> same goes for nzb of course
[11:28] <kbmonkey> but... I kind find that article right now :p lol
[11:28] <charl_> unfortunate, please post it when you have it
[11:29] <charl_> http://torrentfreak.com/ill-download-game-of-thrones-from-the-pirate-bay-iron-sky-director-tells-hbo-130403/
[11:29] <kbmonkey> if you think of it, the pioneers of pc operating systems did it for hobbies and for learning. it is natural to think they want the same rules to apply for new generations, I like that idea.
[11:30] <nlsthzn> bbl
[11:31] <kbmonkey> no way, that is very funny and interesting! thank you charl_ :)
[11:32] <charl_> it's a common sentiment
[11:32] <charl_> if it was only one person it wouldn't have mattered
[11:35] <kbmonkey> ah I found it, https://www.defectivebydesign.org/faq
[11:36] <kbmonkey> I support business that want to offer good service and Ill pay for it. I just dont want them to limit our freedom to choose how we watch movies, or on which devices. It is a rude policy ;)
[11:37] <charl_> oh yeah i remember that site
[11:38] <charl_> yeah but drm can be so easily stripped away it doesn't matter to any person with some technical skill
[11:38] <charl_> it's just to enslave the masses so to speak
[11:38] <charl_> getting them to pay for the same content over and over and over again
[11:39] <charl_> and then taking them to court and extorting them for more money
[11:39] <kbmonkey> but you see, if you strip that drm away, you are liable for jail. and that is not fair :(
[11:39] <charl_> if it was about author's rights nobody with a clean conscience would be against it
[11:40] <charl_> the only way to rebell against this is to refuse to consume any hollywood content
[11:40] <charl_> and support indie artists
[11:40] <kbmonkey> does hollywood have anything good to offer anymore ;)
[11:40] <charl_> exactly
[11:40] <kbmonkey> I joke
[11:40] <charl_> i look at the films that was released in the past year and i'm not convinced they have either
[11:41] <charl_> oh i was serious though
[11:41] <kbmonkey> you see some movies are crowd funded. very cool.
[11:41] <charl_> that's excellent we should support those
[11:41] <kbmonkey> hang on I think you will like this
[11:44] <kbmonkey> http://half-life.wikia.com/wiki/Half-Life:_Escape_from_City_17
[11:44] <kbmonkey> a crowd funded short film
[11:45] <kbmonkey> the quality of it verus how much they spent is unbelievable!
[11:46] <kbmonkey> you can see crowd funding is still new and needs lots of attention.
[11:46] <charl_> very nice, this is what i'm talking about
[11:47] <charl_> i don't know anything about half life though but this is positive
[11:49] <charl_> in NL there is this: http://www.filmfonds.nl/
[11:49] <charl_> i am trying to get a list of movies they backed
[11:49] <charl_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands_Film_Fund
[11:50] <charl_> there are some smaller things but i can't find it now
[11:50] <kbmonkey> oh cool, I will look at that!
[11:51] <kbmonkey> NL is a first world country yes?
[11:51] <charl_> eh, it's a european country... ?
[11:51] <kbmonkey> usually arts and culture are encouraged by funding when econimic status reaches a certain balance
[11:52] <kbmonkey> *economic
[11:52] <kbmonkey> canada does the same. I think it is nice.
[11:53] <charl_> yeah but europe and canada is also relatively socialist compared to the USA
[11:53] <charl_> *are
[11:56] <kbmonkey> how true!
[11:57] <kbmonkey> if I had any form of enough money I would fund people to make creative digital art installations and games. because that is exactly what I like to do.
[11:57] <charl_> sounds cool
[11:58] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee on
[11:58]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[11:59] <charl_> Maaz: coffee please
[11:59] <Maaz> charl_: Sure
[12:02] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for kbmonkey and charl_!
[12:02] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[12:03] <Maaz> charl_: Sure
[12:04] <charl_> wb nlsthzn
[12:04] <nlsthzn> thx :)
[12:06] <charl_> and there he goes again
[12:07] <charl_> i'm off too, bbl
[12:10] <kbmonkey> ciao ciao!
[13:38] <nlsthzn> annoying when you share a common PC and people just log in and out >.<
[14:04] <kbmonkey> well if they did not log out they would get baggy pantsed, right? >.<
[14:08] <nlsthzn> >.<
[14:11] <kbmonkey> lol
[14:18] <nlsthzn> when I get home later I have to start figuring out how to get my screen to its native resolution :/ - HD is fun but Full HD is funner :p
[14:31] <nlsthzn> cheers
[14:51] <Kilos> afternoon superfly and others
[14:52] <superfly> hi Kilos
[15:03] <kbmonkey> hello kilos and superfly
[15:03] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey
[15:03]  * superfly goes out to wash his car
[15:03] <superfly> hi kbmonkey
[15:03] <kbmonkey> happy washing
[15:49]  * Kilos hates washing cars. better to pray for rain
[15:54] <kbmonkey> ha ha Kilos
[15:57] <kbmonkey> what is for dinner Kilos ?
[15:58] <kbmonkey> I go make a coffee quickly
[15:58] <kbmonkey> got some curry
[15:58] <Kilos> we got pot roast and baked potatoes an beetroot salad and coleslaw
[15:58] <Kilos> you got curry?
[15:59] <Kilos> Maaz: whats for supper
[15:59] <Maaz> A nice thick homemade  oxtail and vegetable soup for starters and then Spaghetti bolognaise
[16:05] <kbmonkey> the bot only has one menu selection
[16:05] <kbmonkey> that sound very good Kilos ! I am jealous!
[16:05] <Kilos> sorry. sis spoiling us
[16:05] <kbmonkey> it is a home made vegetable curry with sambals
[16:08] <Kilos> curry is good, i can live on curry everyday
[16:26] <charl_> hi Kilos
[16:26] <Kilos> hi charl_
[16:35] <nuvolari> o/ hi oom Kilos :)
[16:35] <nuvolari> hello's kbmonkey, charl_
[16:35] <Kilos> lo nuvolari hoe gaan dit
[16:36] <nuvolari> dit gaan goed dankie oom, en daar?
[16:36] <Kilos> goed ook dankie
[16:47] <nuvolari> ugh :-/ bad support week
[16:47] <nuvolari> ek kan nie onthou hoe lank terug ek soveel moes doen nie
[17:36] <charl_> hi nuvolari
[18:03] <Kilos> eish nuvolari dis nou al 6 maande wat  jy so se
[18:05] <Kilos> jy moet n appie kry
[19:16] <charl_> Kilos: how's it going, you've been scarce today
[19:16] <charl_> still having drive problems?
[19:19] <Kilos> yeah charl_i been trying to fix the big one by marking bad blocks and have intermittent success
[19:20] <Kilos> weird prob here. need to reset bios to fail safe and then set it up everytime otherwise it dont see the sata drive
[19:20] <Kilos> also been resting lots
[19:20] <Kilos> and ready for bed again
[19:20] <Kilos> so night all. sleep tight


[01:37] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[02:20] <Benn> When a program crashes, is the 'developer information' it gives you the same as a .crash report?
[04:20] <duytruong> I try to install Bookreader-0.2 in Kubuntu. Compile error: checking for KDE... configure: error:
[04:20] <duytruong> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE libraries installed. This will fail.
[04:51] <yoga> I installed the new Amarok by using the ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports, however I unitall it, and remove the ppa, but now when I want to install amarok again, I get this error: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:51] <yoga>  amarok : Depends: amarok-common (= 2:2.5.0-0ubuntu6) but 2:2.6.0-0ubuntu1~precise1~ppa3 is to be installed
[04:57] <mih1406> I have submitted my feature request for Ubuntu One, I believe it is a great addition to Ubuntu One's future!! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/1058900
[05:12] <DaemonFC> yoga: You pulled in all of KDE 4.9 then?
[05:12] <DaemonFC> that's also in that PPA
[05:12] <DaemonFC> and removing the PPA itself does not restore the previous versions
[05:13] <DaemonFC> in fact, it would be difficult to go back to Amarok 2.5 since 2.6 uses a different database format
[05:13] <DaemonFC> you'd have to delete at least your Amarok settings folder
[05:25] <yoga> DaemonFC: I'll try to go with KDE 4.9 in this case.
[05:26] <yoga> DaemonFC: I am adding the that ppa again and installing kubuntu-desktop.
[06:31] <yoga> When I Alt+Tab, I can cycle throught the apps in it's window, is there anyway I can set the size of those icons? To make it smaller perhaps.
[07:10] <hemite> Hello, I am having some issues installing ubuntu on my powerbook g4
[07:10] <hemite> I have tried 12.04 and 10.10 ppc version and I cannot get anything to load
[07:11] <hemite> Does anyone know if I am using the appropriate distro or if there is a diferent kubuntu distro for ppc that I should use?
[07:15] <hemite> Does anyone know a version of kubuntu that will for sure work with a powerbook g4?
[07:32] <c2tarun> my enery star is getting reset to Standby: 48    Suspend: 72    Off: 96 no matter how many times I change it disable it or anything. I am facing this problem since many days, can anyone please help?
[07:59] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:58] <thelionroars> hemite make sure you are using a version intended for PPC. A G4 will not be able to read binary instructions made for an Intel chip and vice versa
[09:00] <thelionroars> I don't know too much about Linux on PPC, but I think https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ would be a good place to start
[09:05] <thelionroars> hemite if you wanted 12.04 then the image should be kubuntu-12.04-desktop-powerpc.iso
[09:05] <thelionroars> full path is http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-12.04-desktop-powerpc.iso
[09:07] <thelionroars> scratch that, full path is http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/precise/release/kubuntu-12.04-desktop-powerpc.iso
[09:19] <qw[Russian]> hello people
[09:20] <qw[Russian]> I have to you one question: I am going to put Kubuntu 12.10 Beta2 2 DVD (i386/x86-64/ML/RUS/2012)
[09:20] <qw[Russian]> whether it is necessary to me to put it?
[09:21] <thelionroars> not sure what you mean by put it
[09:24] <qw[Russian]> why ?
[09:27] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: Why do you want the beta?
[09:28] <qw[Russian]> lordievader: hello =) maybe i see this Os and interesting use )
[09:28] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: Why not simply stick to 12.04 and upgrade when 12.10 gets released?
[09:29] <qw[Russian]> http://chipxp.ru/index.php?newsid=101565
[09:29] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: I haven't learned Russian in the last couple of days...
[09:30] <thelionroars> slacker
[09:35] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: So what is the point you are trying to get across with that link?
[09:49] <qw[Russian]> lordievader help me please install VirtualBox
[09:50] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: sudo apt-get install virtualbox?
[09:50] <qw[Russian]> maybe )
[09:51] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: That is not maybe.
[09:52] <qw[Russian]> lordievader: http://pastebin.com/dZwAUpN9
[09:53] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: Odd, however you can download it here: https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads
[10:10] <justin___> hello
[10:10] <qw[Russian]> hi
[10:11] <lordievader> Hey justin___, how are you?
[10:11] <justin___> im good thanks. how are you?
[10:14] <lordievader> justin___: I'm doing all right, thank you for asking.
[10:46] <c2tarun> can anyone please help me here with energy star
[10:47] <c2tarun> my enery star is getting reset to Standby: 48    Suspend: 72    Off: 96 no matter how many times I change it disable it or anything. I am facing this problem since many days, can anyone please help?
[11:18] <qw[Russian]> i have question: i have notebook (acer eMachines g725) and i would like install Macubuntu OS Question: In my notebook installing OS ?
[11:32] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: You really need to settle for just one OS, you allways come in here to ask how to install another OS. And I will remind you once more this is the Kubuntu support channel.
[11:34] <qw[Russian]> but system name MacUBUNTU
[11:35] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: Ubuntu has a lot of derivatives, however all of those are not supported here, the only one supported in this room is Kubuntu.
[11:36] <qw[Russian]> but systems identical
[11:37] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: I hardly think so, if they were why do they carry a different name?
[11:37] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: But this is a discussion more suited to #kubuntu-offtopic since it has nothing to do with Kubuntu.
[11:38] <qw[Russian]> #mac: Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited
[12:43] <AceKing> I have a Realtek 8169 card in my PC. I had to manually install the driver for it to  work. Everytime I restart my PC, I have to open up Konsole and type in "sudo modprobe r8169" in order for it to work. How can it to connect automatically?
[12:50] <lordievader> AceKing: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Loadable_Modules
[12:50] <AceKing> lordievader: Thank you
[12:57] <vito_> ciao
[12:57] <vito_> !list
[13:13] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:17] <BluesKaj> tinyurl
[13:47] <scarface> hello when  yr to install compiz on shell that's give me the abswer could't finne the compiz package but i have it on my document's
[13:47] <scarface> ..........
[13:47] <scarface> ????????????
[13:47] <scarface> any help?
[13:47] <FloodBotK1> scarface: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:47] <bazhang> scarface, complete sentences with words fully spelled out, on a single line please
[13:48] <scarface> i am sorry i am new so there is many thing's tht i don't knwo...
[13:50] <lordievader> scarface: What is your problem exactly?
[13:50] <scarface> i am soyy but i am not alowed to speak here
[13:50] <scarface> aparently i am fllodin ....thank's any way..
[13:51] <lordievader> scarface: That was just a warning. Ofcourse you are allowed to speak!
[13:51] <scarface> yes but if i am flooding i don't want to hve problem's
[13:51] <lordievader> Wouldn't be much of a support channel if no one was allowed to speak.
[13:51] <scarface> can we speak in another way
[13:52] <scarface> like instn messnger?
[13:53] <lordievader> scarface: As long as you keep most of your messages on one line and do not start posting command line output you're going to be fine. So what is the question?
[13:54] <scarface> try to installin compiz on Kubuntu,but it's tell me that don't file the folder but ihave download it allredy ?
[13:54] <scarface> sorry the message is could't fine thsi folder
[13:55] <lordievader> scarface: Compiz is a Ubuntu thing, in Kubuntu we have Kwin, this takes care of all the fancy eye-candy. If you wish to configure it, look at Desktop Effects under System Settings.
[13:56] <victorkuantal__> hey guys i have a file with a plasma theme but no idea of where to place it :S any help?
[13:56] <BluesKaj> scarface, look in your /home/iusername/Downloads folder ...on kubuntu compiz isn't really necessary for most desktop effects
[13:56] <scarface> thank you very mutch i will go it
[13:57] <victorkuantal__> BluesKaj: can you please help me¿?
[13:59] <lordievader> victorkuantal__: In this document it says they are located in "share/apps/desktoptheme", I think they mean ~/.kde/share/apps/desktoptheme. http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma/ThemeDetails
[14:01] <victorkuantal__> lordievader: but a 'desktoptheme' folder doesn't exist :S
[14:03] <lordievader> victorkuantal__: Ah, I was in doubt where it should be, it should be: /usr/share/kde4/apps/desktoptheme
[14:04] <victorkuantal__> lordievader: but again, 'desktoptheme' isn't there :S
[14:04] <lordievader> victorkuantal__: How odd, on my machine it is...
[14:04] <victorkuantal__> will check again
[14:05] <BluesKaj> lordievader, not here either
[14:05] <lordievader> That is very odd.
[14:05] <victorkuantal__>  ok ok, i'm stupid...
[14:06] <lordievader> victorkuantal__: ?
[14:09] <BluesKaj> lordievader, correction the /usr/share/kde4/apps/desktoptheme/ does exist , but doesn't contain any of the themes I've DL'd , only the default and oxygen
[14:09] <lordievader> BluesKaj: I don't use that "feature" anymore, failed too many times in the past.
[14:10] <BluesKaj> yes , and too many are on urls that then spam you with ads
[14:10] <BluesKaj> lordievader,^
[14:14] <shadeslayer> All the themes are downloaded to ~/.kde/share/apps/desktoptheme
[14:15] <shadeslayer> and the get hot new stuff button only works if its a direct Download link
[14:21] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, not much there either
[14:22] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: well the themes are suppossed to be downloaded there ;)
[14:24] <gingerling> hi, mum's hp officehet pro 8500a is working without issues but the scanner, which is part of the printer will not work
[14:24] <gingerling> anyone know what to do?
[14:28] <OerHeks> gingerling, follow this walktrough > http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/install/install/index.html
[14:31] <gingerling> OerHeks, thanks will try - is this a better driver than the one in cups?
[14:32] <OerHeks> gingerling, no, these are the same libs from hp, incl wireless printing/faxing and scan. universal, so i think it will work for you.
[14:33] <BluesKaj> ok , shadeslayer , just installed some new desktop themes , and they're located as you say in ~/.kde/share/apps/desktoptheme ...good to know the correct path , altho over half the themes I chose failed to download
[14:33] <shadeslayer> most likely because they're not hosted on kde-look.org itself
[14:34] <gingerling> ok, someone suggested she try xsane - anythi9ng better than that to try? perhpas its that
[14:34] <shadeslayer> HP Drivers are usually really well supported
[14:34] <gingerling> shadeslayer, I know - which is why its a bit odd that her skanner wont work :S
[14:35] <shadeslayer> yeah ...
[14:36] <shadeslayer> gingerling: there's also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrintersHp
[14:36] <shadeslayer> please document your experience there :)
[15:43] <monkeyjuice> should i have sound on a live cd or is that extra after installing
[15:44] <g_> Hey guys, when I start kde I get a msgbox with 'ok' : Invalid option: -session
[15:44] <g_> Any idea how to get rid of it? annoying ...
[16:00] <g_> This is my .xinitrc , does it look ok ? g@G-PLUS:~$ cat .xinitrc #!/usr/bin/env bash exec startkde
[16:02] <artur> hej
[16:03] <lordievader> Hey artur, how are you?
[16:03] <artur> ok
[16:05] <artur> hey lordievader, where are you?
[16:06] <lordievader> artur: Does it matter?
[16:07] <artur> a`m asking out of curiosity
[16:08] <bazhang> !ot | artur
[16:09] <monkeyjuice> hmmm
[16:10] <monkeyjuice> BluesKaj:  im here
[16:11] <BluesKaj> monkeyjuice, ok , run  cat /proc/asound/modules , to see which kernel module is installed
[16:11] <skreech_> hi artur
[16:12] <artur> hi skreech,how are you?
[16:12] <monkeyjuice> no such file or dirc
[16:12] <monkeyjuice> live cd?
[16:12] <BluesKaj> no matter
[16:13] <monkeyjuice> should i just intall to hd?
[16:14] <BluesKaj> yeah , monkeyjuice bexause you have the most popular sound chip in the business , it's pretty easy to configure once the OS is installed
[16:14] <BluesKaj> intel hda
[16:14] <monkeyjuice> ok im going to just install then hope it works later
[16:15] <BluesKaj> it will , or wqe can make it work , but it'll probly work right from the get-go
[16:16] <skreech__> artur: Fine. Just checking if you needed some help
[16:16] <skreech__> g_: How are you starting kde ?
[16:17] <g_> skreech__: well it starts automatically when I start the machine..
[16:17] <BluesKaj> monkeyjuice, I have my intel hda onboard running thru my dvi to hdmi to my tv
[16:17] <skreech__> Great :) but you get a dialog box
[16:18] <BluesKaj> and the pci soundcard is also setup as the default , but both are working , so kubuntu audio is very configurable
[16:19] <g_> skreech__: sorry I got disconnected
[16:19] <skreech__> As did I
[16:20] <g_> skreech__:  so basically I have exec startkde in my xinitrc .. so KDE starts automatically... but I just found this on the internet (the solution)
[16:20] <g_> skreech__:  so don't know if it's the best.
[16:23] <skreech__> g_: What does the dialog box say?
[16:24] <g_> when I start kde I get a msgbox with 'ok' : Invalid option: -session
[16:26] <skreech__> g_: Have you made any customizations to KDE?
[16:32] <g_> skreech__:  ye I was messing a bit with the login screen ...
[16:33] <CodenameStrike-N> Has anyone experienced plasma-desktop segfault when using global menu?
[16:37] <BluesKaj> CodenameStrike-N, the HUD/krunner ? not me
[16:38] <Daskreech> g_: Ah what did you change?
[16:38] <g_> dammit, I m trying to set all my KONSOLE windows to have no titlebar etc but I cant understand how the (badly made) UX of KDE works :(
[16:38] <g_> Daskreech: let me check...
[16:39] <em> is there anyway to restart the window-drawer in Kubuntu?
[16:39] <CodenameStrike-N> BluesKaj: No, the whole desktop.
[16:39] <g_> Daskreech:  enable auto login...
[16:39] <em> you know how there is a title at the top of every window in kubuntu? well mine is broken, it isn't displaying some letters correctly. Also windows are stearing and stuff
[16:39] <em> tearing*
[16:40] <em> almost like a video card problem
[16:40] <em> but i had no problems until recently so whats going on
[16:40] <BluesKaj> CodenameStrike-N, then which global menu are you referring to ?
[16:41] <g_> Daskreech: wait I reboot to see if by setting defaults it will work better.
[16:42] <CodenameStrike-N> BluesKaj: Apparently since my last upgrade to KDE 4.9.1, plasma-desktop started to pile up a staggering amount of crashes as I, for example, start and change tracks in a media player. someone said that the current plasma-widgets-menubar I have is the reason
[16:44] <g_> skreech_:  same problem with the -session message...
[16:45] <BluesKaj> CodenameStrike-N, ok that's different , then you've chosen a desktop theme that's crashing your desktop
[16:46] <em> well i fixed it by turning off my computer and turning it back on again. It isn't good when that's what you have to do.
[16:46] <skreech_> g_: Hrrm can you do a grep '-session'-r ~/.* | pastebinit
[16:46] <skreech_> em: what was the problem?
[16:46] <CodenameStrike-N> BluesKaj: that wasn't the case either
[16:47] <CodenameStrike-N> there was a mention of pulling the mentioned widget package from quantal's repository
[16:49] <BluesKaj> CodenameStrike-N, how can you be sure , I've encountered this with certain desktopthemes , that eiother slow the pc down crash the the desktop altogether.
[16:49] <BluesKaj> or crash
[16:49] <CodenameStrike-N> whoops.
[16:50] <CodenameStrike-N> BluesKaj: Tried several themes, all ended up with same result.
[16:50] <BluesKaj> I accept the fact that some themes aren't quite right for my setup and experiment with some , then choose ones that are stable and stick with those
[16:50] <CodenameStrike-N> Until I attempted the mentioned workaround, at least.
[16:51] <CodenameStrike-N> It's stable now, but time will tell if that sticks until 4.9.2
[16:52] <CodenameStrike-N> hopefully it will.
[16:54] <BluesKaj> CodenameStrike-N, I think themes aren't examined very closely and some work and some don't , it's just a fact of life :)
[16:55] <mime> i have a pointing into /sys/devices/virtual/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp    ,    but my cpu temperature remains in a ''?'' sign, any help would be thankfull
[16:56] <CodenameStrike-N> BluesKaj: Might be that, but in my case, most themes I installed are pretty established
[16:56] <CodenameStrike-N> maybe because I tend to use the rating system
[17:01] <em> skreech_: im not sure what is the name for the kubuntu component that is responsible for drawing windows. but you know that title that's at the top, and middle, of every window.
[17:01] <em> skreech_: that was somehow not working right.
[17:01] <g_> skreech_: empty document...
[17:01] <em> skreech_: various letters were eing replaced with jarbled uft
[17:01] <em> skreech_: and also some windows were not refrshing correctly it was leaving strange colored lines on stuff
[17:03] <CodenameStrike-N> em: Can you make a screenshot?
[17:03] <skreech_> g_: so ... what's passing that then? Maybe an X component?
[17:03] <skreech_> em: ah could you open a terminal ?
[17:04] <skreech_> em: kwin --replace & would have probably been able to solve that
[17:04] <skreech_> CodenameStrike-N: I think that em rebooted and solved it
[17:04] <em> CodenameStrike-N: no i already restarted the computer. And that did solve it. For now.
[17:04] <em> if it happens again ill take a screenshot
[17:04] <em> skreech_: okay i'll try to remember that
[17:04] <CodenameStrike-N> Hmm
[17:04] <g_> skreech_:  no idea :(
[17:05] <CodenameStrike-N> probably has something to do with the desktop effect settings
[17:05] <skreech_> em: do you know how window managers work?
[17:05] <em> nope, how do they work?
[17:06] <CodenameStrike-N> sometimes setting kwin to use raster-based rendering
[17:06] <CodenameStrike-N> might be the cause
[17:06] <em> CodenameStrike-N: well i have never added any desktop effects beyond what is default
[17:06] <em> the only thing i can think that could be somehow related is I recently installed inkscape, which is a vector graphics program
[17:07] <skreech_> g_: I might ask in #kde someone may know which component would pop up a dialog but having a single - for a full written out option is an X anomaly so I would suspect that either "someone" is mixing up X parameters in the KDE startup or justsomething was put in the wrong sequence during your X startup
[17:07] <skreech_> g_: I'd probably log out of X and then run startx from a terminal to see what it does
[17:07] <CodenameStrike-N> skreech_: come to think of it, does stock Kubuntu default to raster-based rendering in the desktop effects section?
[17:07] <skreech_> and trace from there but that may be too involved for you
[17:08] <skreech_> CodenameStrike-N: it doesn't default to anything. It starts up and looks at your hardware to see if it supports kwin's abilites and then sets up a default from that
[17:08] <CodenameStrike-N> I see
[17:09] <CodenameStrike-N> as far as I can recall
[17:09] <skreech_> It tries pretty hard to have hardware acceleration but it's pretty conservative so if there are issues then it will drop to raster but that's increasingly rare
[17:10] <g_> skreech_:  thanks I'll check that.. how do I log out of X and go into console mode?
[17:10] <BluesKaj> CodenameStrike-N, I've been using raster wihout any problems altho the default was set to native after the OS install
[17:10] <skreech_> g_: ha ha ok lets do a little test first. Do youknow how to get to a tty ?
[17:10] <skreech_> psuedo terminal?
[17:10] <g_> skreech_:  a konsole, ye
[17:10] <skreech_> g_: No I meant outside of X
[17:11] <CodenameStrike-N> using raster-based rendering can lead to some rendering glitches IIRC
[17:11] <g_> skreech_:  ah no... its been a while I was in linux :(
[17:11] <CodenameStrike-N> though on the plus side
[17:11] <CodenameStrike-N> it renders fonts better
[17:12] <BluesKaj> yes , that's what i noticed
[17:13] <skreech__> g_: There are a number of terminals that are opened when you boot up. Almost all of them only spawn a command line only login. One of them (by default the 7th one) opens up a GUI and lets you login there
[17:13] <BluesKaj> altho the dpi setting probly does the most good for fonts on a larger monitor, CodenameStrike-N
[17:13] <g_> skreech_: is it something like alt+f7
[17:13] <skreech__> g_: you can switch between them using alt+ctrl+F# where the # is replaced with the number of the terminal you would like to jump to
[17:14] <g_> skreech_:  got it :) so what do I do ?
[17:14] <skreech__> g_: So if you like you can try going to the second one with alt+ctrl+F2 and you cancome back here with alt+ctrl+F7
[17:15] <g_> skreech_:  couldnt do it, there was pitch black in all :)  (I'm on a laptop with external monitor maybe thats why(
[17:16] <skreech__> g_: ah ha ok possibly. X would project itself to a new monitor. the terminals may not
[17:16] <skreech__> can you turn on the laptop monitor ?
[17:17] <g_> skreech__:  it should be on as I'm on twin view (2 monitors)
[17:17] <g_> skreech__:  but I'll try pulling out the hdmi to see if I see something.
[17:17] <g_> skreech__:  you want a log/cat ?
[17:18] <g_> skreech__:  nop, sorry, doesnt work :(
[17:20] <PaPmaLLe> ,,kd
[17:24] <Daskreech> g_: Bleah. What was the last thing that I said?
[17:29] <g_> Daskreech:  I couldn't see what's on the other ttys...
[17:30] <Daskreech> g_: hmm
[17:30] <g_> interval question, how to run Dolphin with su rights? I wanna drag and drop some files to /usr/
[17:33] <InspectorCluseau> g_, use a termibal run sudo dolphin?
[17:33] <InspectorCluseau> terminal
[17:33] <g_> InspectorCluseau:  I'm so short minded sometimes.. thanks..
[17:33] <g_> InspectorCluseau:  I was searching for a "execute as" button on the UI :)
[17:34] <g_> guys is there a way to have the search and execute thingie on the desktop or floating somewhere
[17:34] <g_> you know which one I'm talking about.. the one you type stuff and it finds/executes them... its handy but I have to click the left icon etc etc..
[17:35] <BluesKaj> g_, dou mean the run command /krunner?
[17:35] <BluesKaj> do you mean
[17:35] <BluesKaj> alt +f2 ?
[17:36] <skreech_> Having broken X many many times you learn how to do somethings without the aid of visuals :)
[17:36] <g_> BluesKaj:  I meant alt+f2 lol didn't know this shortcut :) this rules !
[17:36] <g_> omg this is awesome. ! fuck windows.
[17:37] <g_> I can GUI without a mouse :D
[17:37] <bazhang> !language | g_
[17:38] <BluesKaj> g_, it's also known as the the run command in the desktop right click dialog and krunner
[17:39] <g_> BluesKaj:  how do I change alt+f2 to be something easier?:) like just alt or alt+s
[17:41] <lordievader> g_: System Settings-> Shortcuts and Gestures -> Global Keyboard Shortcuts -> Run Command Interface -> Run Command
[17:42] <rork> g_: Alt+F2 >  "Global" <enter> --> Run ... ;)
[17:42] <g_> lordievader:  many thanks
[17:43] <g_> I feel like this guy on matrix .. with the 6 monitors where he was typing stuff and **it was happening :) let me check if its reboots with the runner!
[17:44] <rork> guess it does :)
[17:46] <g_> hm, the system doesn't keep my Display settings ... :(
[17:46] <penguin42> does anyone know a way of selecting text in konsole (specifically a url) without the use of a mouse?
[17:46] <qw[Russian]> lordievader: hi
[17:46] <g_> and when I login I get: Invalid option: -session
[17:47] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: Evening.
[17:47] <qw[Russian]> how are yu ?
[17:47] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: I am doing well, how about you?
[17:48] <qw[Russian]> i am nothing )
[17:48] <BluesKaj> qw[Russian], that doesn't translate very well
[17:49] <qw[Russian]> lordievader: i would like interesting: what is time now for you ?
[17:49] <qw[Russian]> BluesKaj: and you good evening )
[17:50] <lordievader> qw[Russian]: 19:49, hence < lordievader> qw[Russian]: Evening.
[17:50] <BluesKaj> qw[Russian], maybe you should stay with the russian chat
[18:28] <xamix> boas
[18:28] <xamix> ta por ai alguem
[19:13] <superceman> hello
[19:17] <Daz646_> Hi
[19:19] <em> is it possible to make konsole transparent?
[19:20] <yofel> em: yes, in the color scheme settings
[19:27] <em> yofel: oh thank you! :)
[19:28] <skreech__> Also you can make any window transparent
[19:29] <lordievader> skreech__: You mean through kwin? That has as disadvantage that everything gets transparent not just the background.
[19:31] <skreech__> lordievader: Yes I know
[19:31] <skreech__> but in a pinch :)
[19:35] <qw[Russian]> i would like see my trash in desktop ?
[19:39] <qw[Russian]> good luck people and good night
[19:41] <Daskreech> good night
[19:59] <qw[Russian]> help me please now i install cairo-dock
[19:59] <qw[Russian]> but i would like delete them
[19:59] <qw[Russian]> help me delete please
[20:02] <qw[Russian]> sudo apt-get purge cairo-dock cairo-dock-plug-ins && sudo apt-get autoremove
[21:19] <avihay> in smb.conf, I put read only = yes. in testparm, it writes read only = no
[21:19]  * avihay pulls out hairs
[21:22] <Belial`> is there anyone here using icontasks with the kfaenza icons? if so, could you let me know how to get the xchat and clementine launchers to keep using the kfaenza set when the application is launched?
[21:31] <skreech__> avihay: fnu
[21:31] <skreech__> fun
[21:32] <avihay> the best part is that I can't access the share at all, and sftp decided to stop working too :-<
[21:33] <Schrodinger`Cat> hey
[21:34] <Schrodinger`Cat> each time plasma-desktop crash, after i got a crazy systray, and while i restart totally kde, systray take too much size in the bar
[21:34] <avihay> Belial`: doesn't icon task have an option to use the original icon? I recal seeing something like that
[21:34] <Schrodinger`Cat> i already try to remove systray and re put it, but same probleme while kde is not restarted
[21:35] <Schrodinger`Cat> what can i do ?
[21:36] <avihay> Schrodinger`Cat: you can go to system trey settings and set all the "trash" icons to hidden, in the entries section.
[21:38] <skreech__> avihay: ssh works?
[21:38] <avihay> ya
[21:38] <skreech__> avihay: but not sftp ?
[21:38] <avihay> maybe dolphin jumped off the deep end?
[21:38] <avihay> yes
[21:39] <Schrodinger`Cat> avihay: there is no trash icons, just some space without nothing...
[21:39] <Schrodinger`Cat> avihay: and if plasma-desktop crash again, the space grow again...
[21:39] <Schrodinger`Cat> avihay: and after 3-4 crash there is no space to show icons...
[21:39] <avihay> right-click the systray, go to panel settings->entries
[21:40] <Belial`> avihay, that was one of the first things i checked. i'll double check it to see if it's there.
[21:41] <avihay> you'll see alot of identical entries with a short name that contains mostly numbers
[21:41] <Schrodinger`Cat> avihay: ok ok, and this bug is know issue ? is there a way to be this resolv in the future ? ( i dont get this with kde 4.9 on archlinux)
[21:41] <avihay> set all of them to hide, and they will be pushed to the arrow popup
[21:41] <Belial`> avihay, yeah, i don't see an option for it anywhere in icontasks.
[21:42] <avihay> shadeslayer: I don't know, it's seems kinda hard to miss, but I've seen bugs like that drag around for years
[21:42] <avihay> Belial`: let me have a look
[21:43] <avihay> appearence->always use launcher icons?
[21:43] <avihay> Belial`: ^
[21:44] <Belial`> oh snap
[21:44] <Belial`> i apologize man, i totally looked over that check box.
[21:44] <Belial`> overlooked, rather.
[21:45] <Belial`> you are the man. that was driving me nuts.
[21:45] <avihay> I wish icon tasks would display the application name, and have an option to show two rows instead of just one
[21:45] <Belial`> i think smooth tasks does that
[21:45] <avihay> cause the default task manager is kinda frelled, and it had 4 years to improve
[22:13] <avihay> ok, yes, scp works, it's just dolphin going crazy
[23:33] <fuhrer_> türkçe bilen varmı ?_


[02:34] <dmcglone> Hello
[02:35] <Cheri703> yo
[02:38] <dmcglone> what ya doing
[02:38] <dmcglone> watchin movies?
[02:38] <Cheri703> watching "no ordinary family"
[02:39] <Cheri703> it's pretty good
[02:39] <dmcglone> sounds like my family
[02:39] <dmcglone> ;-)
[02:39] <dmcglone> I'm watching everybody loves raymond
[02:42] <dmcglone> I spent the last 4 days sitting around the house while the insulators insulated my house
[02:42] <Cheri703> nice
[02:42] <dmcglone> it was excruciating
[02:42] <dmcglone> boring
[02:42] <Cheri703> I knew a guy who worked for an insulation company
[02:43] <Cheri703> he was a pot smoking drunk who would drink on the job/lunch, and  would steal stuff and screw around with clients possessions
[02:44] <dmcglone> dang
[02:44] <dmcglone> the company that did my house is a huge company
[02:44] <Cheri703> yeah....I haven't seen him in years
[02:45] <dmcglone> I just can't believe it took them 4 days to do the job
[02:45] <dmcglone> but I gotta say, I can absolutely feel a difference
[02:45] <dmcglone> it was worth the bordom
[02:45] <Cheri703> very cool
[02:46] <Cheri703> this house could do with more insulation and better windows. but it's MILES ahead of the last house we lived in
[02:46] <dmcglone> My living room was always cold. Not today :-)
[02:46] <Cheri703> nice!
[02:46] <Cheri703> we have a big window in the living room, so it's chilly sometimes
[02:47] <dmcglone> the reason for the insulation was we got a new furnace back in november
[02:47] <Cheri703> ah, gotcha
[02:48] <dmcglone> the insulation was supposed to be done in Dec. but they had to reschedule
[02:48] <dmcglone> now I'm getting carpet and kissing these hardwood floors goodbye!
[02:49] <Cheri703> nice, I like having hardwood floors in this house, we only have one room of carpet, easier with dogs
[02:49] <dmcglone> I thought I would like hardwood, put this floor down last year. I was so wrong
[02:49] <Cheri703> why don't you like it?
[02:50] <dmcglone> loud, dusty, scratches easily, hard to keep shiny
[02:50] <Cheri703> I'm a fan of laminate (the good quality kind)
[02:50] <Cheri703> this house has old beat up floors anyway
[02:50] <Cheri703> and tile in a few rooms
[02:51] <dmcglone> I want nice comfy carpet
[02:51] <dmcglone> :-)
[02:52] <Cheri703> so much crap builds up in it
[02:52] <Cheri703> unless you get it cleaned OFTEN
[02:52] <dmcglone> I got some friends that are carpet layers, so far what I need is 700 bucks :-)
[02:53]  * Cheri703 recommends stanley steemer (used to work there)
[02:53] <dmcglone> I'm keeping about a 20 x 20 square of hardwood in front of the front door so shoes can be removed :-)
[02:54] <Cheri703> heh
[02:54] <Cheri703> 20' or 20"
[02:54] <Cheri703> ?
[02:54] <dmcglone> my bad
[02:54] <dmcglone> more like a 5 ft by 5 ft
[02:54] <Cheri703> gotcha
[02:55] <dmcglone> enough for a few people to wipe their feet or remove their shoes before they walk on the carpet
[02:56] <Cheri703> yeah, we got a carpeted runner for in front of our door, we have rubber mats right in front, and the carpet for shoes (from home depot), it's kind of awesome because the backing is good and we can take it into the tub and hose it out :)
[02:56] <Cheri703> it's handy
[02:57] <dmcglone> nice
[02:58] <dmcglone> after the carpet, I've got to finish the kitchen
[02:58] <dmcglone> lol
[02:58] <Cheri703> heh, yeah, my dad is working on their kitchen, has been for over a year
[02:58] <dmcglone> I kinda, well sort of, um removed some cabinets that I was gonna replace and haven't had a chance to actually replace them LOL
[02:58] <dmcglone> LOL about 3 years her now
[02:58] <dmcglone> LOL
[02:59] <dmcglone> but I had to put the project on hold, because my wife decided to quit a 16.00/hr job for a 12.00 an hour job because she thought she wanted to be a nurse ;-/
[03:01] <Cheri703> ah, gotcha
[03:01] <dmcglone> Oh the joys of marriage
[03:01] <dmcglone> lol
[03:02] <dmcglone> funny thing, she's back to the job as a bank manager but not quite the same salary and a different bank
[03:03] <dmcglone> She did work for National City, but when PNC bought them, she was afraid she was going to be let go or they were gonna cut her pay, so she left pre-maturly
[03:04] <Cheri703> gotcha
[03:04] <dmcglone> I told her she should have held out until they did something
[03:05] <dmcglone> Oh well life goes on
[03:05] <dmcglone> :-)
[03:06] <dmcglone> as for me, I'm still doing home healthcare and taking care of nutty people :-/
[03:06] <Cheri703> nice
[03:07] <dmcglone> Week after next, I'll have 3 extra clients for 2 weeks :-/
[03:08] <dmcglone> my brother is going to mexico for vacation and I'm gonna take care of his clients
[03:09] <dmcglone> but july 8th I'm taking off to Myrtle Beach Whooo hoooo
[03:09] <Cheri703> nice!
[03:09] <dmcglone> I just pray the kids to kill me in the car for the 12 hour drive
[03:10] <dmcglone> don't kill me I mean
[03:10] <dmcglone> lol
[03:10] <Cheri703> heh
[03:11] <dmcglone> I'm gonna make sure I charge their DS's and maybe buy them a game they don't have and buy a couple DVD's for them to watch on the way
[03:11] <dmcglone> and make sure they don't get them until we are on the road
[03:12] <dmcglone> that should keep them quiet for at least 6 - 8 hours
[03:12] <dmcglone> lol
[03:12] <Cheri703> heh, make sure to get a power inverter
[03:15] <dmcglone> they have a car charger for their DS's and the van has a built in DVD player
[03:16] <Unit193> Can we trade?
[03:16] <dmcglone> LOL Unit193 do you want a car payment?
[03:16] <dmcglone> lol
[03:16] <Unit193> Na, just the DVD player and maybe a DS ;)
[03:17] <Cheri703> nice
[03:17] <dmcglone> Well no use tearing up a perfectly good vehicle for a DVD player. Wal mart has them for 20 bucks
[03:17] <dmcglone> lol
[13:17] <thafreak> canthus13: ended up finding an original pogoplug (which is basically a sheevaplug) for $50 with free shipping
[13:18] <thafreak> Figured that should be good enough to satisfy my curiosity without breaking the bank
[14:54] <canthus13> thafreak: Cool. :)
[19:45] <thafreak> nice, my pogo plug should get here tuesday
[19:46] <Unit193> You're just using it as a back door into a clients house?
[19:46] <thafreak> not sure yet
[19:46] <thafreak> right now I ssh directly into a VM host...
[19:47] <thafreak> but when I need to remotely do stuff to said vmhost...then I have no other entry point
[19:47] <thafreak> I want something dependable that I can always ssh to
[19:49] <Unit193> I don't know what/how pogoplugs work, but what OS are you going to put on it? (what distro)
[19:49] <thafreak> I heard debian runs well on it
[19:50] <thafreak> if it works well, I probably will get one of the newer dreamplugs for actual use...this is to experiment with
[19:51] <Unit193> From what you were saying, they sound really cool!
[19:55] <thafreak> sound being the operative word :)
[19:55] <thafreak> I found a pogo plug for $50, which is easier to swallow than $150 for the new dream plug
[19:55] <thafreak> hopefully it's still a useful device
[19:56] <thafreak> I actually had a linksys nslu2 that I put linux on, which was my initial test of such a device...
[19:56] <Unit193> Issues with overheating?
[19:56] <thafreak> no, hopefully they have the overheating issues resolved with the new design of the dreamplug
[19:56] <Unit193> The router that we have has SSH built-in!
[19:57] <thafreak> nice
[19:58] <thafreak> the neat thing about the nslu2 was that it has usb ports (it was meant to be a nas device thingy), so I actually have linux running off a 320gb portable hard drive
[19:59] <thafreak> The original plan I had was to use this kind of stuff for remote backups...which I'm still planning on...but it's expanding into remote tech support stuff too
[20:02] <Unit193> Ohhh did you get the pink one??? ;) (I'm looking at them now)
[20:02] <thafreak> haha yes
[20:02] <thafreak> I think that was their original model
[20:02] <thafreak> so it's the cheapest
[20:30] <canthus13> What seems to be the most reliable brand of 2.5" SATA drives: Hitachi, Samsung, or WD?
[20:31]  * canthus13 is looking to upgrade his laptop's drive...
[20:31] <BiosElement> Wow
[20:31] <BiosElement> Holy crap.
[20:31] <BiosElement> ANOTHER technical discussion here.
[20:31] <BiosElement> Awesome.
[20:34] <canthus13> BiosElement: Heh. Coming from you, I'd belive that you were actually happy about that. :)
[20:35] <canthus13> Cheri703: You have any recommendation for laptop hard drive brands?
[20:35] <BiosElement> Ahaha
[20:35] <Cheri703> uhm, whatever's inexpensive?
[20:35] <canthus13> Heh.
[20:35] <canthus13> Seagate's out. they kinda suck bad.
[20:35] <Cheri703> I got a samsung from microcenter for a good price, and for $10 got a 2 year replacement thing
[20:36] <canthus13> Nice. I've had good luck with Samsung on desktops...
[20:36] <Cheri703> yeah, microcenter's thing is pretty good, full refund of purchase price if problems within 2 years...
[20:36] <Cheri703> got it for a client
[20:41] <canthus13> I'm buying off ebay.  I'm cheap like that.
[20:42] <Cheri703> that works too :)
[20:47] <Cheri703> http://consumerist.com/2011/02/hp-pretends-linux-voids-netbook-hardware-warranty.html
[20:51] <deejoe> grrr
[20:52] <deejoe> but this is why first thing I do with new Windows-running hardware I intend to run Linux on, I fire up a live CD and make a partimage restore set of the factory install.
[20:53] <canthus13> deejoe: get the smallest drive possible when you buy the laptop, install your own 500+ GB drive, don't worry about restoration. :)
[20:53] <deejoe> well, there is that, yeah
[20:53] <Cheri703> some of them might try to claim hdd replacement (case opening) as a warranty thing...
[20:54] <Cheri703> someone took their laptop in (forget where) and the people refused warranty because the screws showed signs of wear
[20:56] <Cheri703> why would someone want a 2 wheel mouse? is that better than a tilt wheel?
[20:57] <Cheri703> (I need a side scroll mouse for client)
[21:02] <canthus13> Now... I just need to find out if my lappy will handle 750GB+ drives...
[21:15] <canthus13> Cheri703: Dunno... I primarily use a trackpad and have horizontal scrolling enabled. :)
[21:16] <Cheri703> yeah, I was able to explain to client that desktop was a better choice
[21:16] <Cheri703> the guy knows NOTHING about computers
[21:17] <Cheri703> the price I gave him for just the computer, he was like, "that seems awfully cheap" I am sooooo tempted to over charge, but I won't
[21:17] <canthus13> get him a pocket calculator, tell him it's the latest in portable tech.
[21:22] <canthus13> I usually charge 100 bucks over cost for custom builds.
[21:39] <canthus13> Hmm... Samsung makes a spinpoint with 16MB cache, 7200 rpm... 80 bucks on newegg.
[22:18] <canthus13> 16MB cache, 7200 rpm or 32MB cache, 5400 rpm for a laptop drive?
[22:19] <Cheri703> no clue
[22:49] <canthus13> Went with the 5400... better battery life. :)
[22:51] <Cheri703> hmm...so I'm working on my third configuration for this client (parts of the diy combo kits keep selling out) and this one is SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper than the previous few....kind of weird
[22:52] <Cheri703> oh well, will wait til monday, something else will likely sell out by then -_-
[23:28] <BiosElement> Web devs may like this: http://ontwik.com/


[23:20] <lucitu> SanityInAnarchy: maybe try a new install as uou said the akonadi upgrade wasn't perfect..just my 2cents..
[23:20] <lucitu> *you
[23:21] <SanityInAnarchy> lucitu:  I'll try that, but as I pointed out, this is a known issue.
[23:21] <SanityInAnarchy> http://userbase.kde.org/KAddressBook
[23:21] <vHanda> My firefox isn't integrated with KDE, and it's super annoying. I have the kmozillahelper package installed, but it still isn't integrated! :-(
[23:21] <vHanda> There are the 4 firefox packages I have installed : firefox firefox-3.5  firefox-mozilla-build firefox-branding
[23:22] <vHanda> Does anyone have any idea?
[23:22] <vHanda> Or should I just nuke firefox and try to install it again? (Last resort!)
[23:24] <vHanda> I guess. I'll just remove firefox and hope for the best. :-/
[23:24] <lucitu> SanityInAnarchy: so it's known..no point discussing then..have a nice day..thanks
[23:26] <malik_> Hey
[23:26] <malik_> anyone know anything about program permissions?
[23:28] <vHanda> Woo Hoo! It worked! And I didn't even loose my addons!
[23:32] <malik_> Hey guys after I updated to 10.4 any program that uses my c drive gives me a permission denied error.