[03:40] <laforge> bimberi: this one doesn't /usr/share/X11/fonts/cyrillic
[03:41] <laforge> bimberi: and this one /usr/share/X11/fonts/CID
[03:41] <DanglyBits> ok...how do i setup firefox 32 bit and flash 32 bit in 64bit ubuntu?
[03:42] <marcellus> DanglyBits: a chroot environment is what I did
[03:42] <Dr_Willis> DanglyBits,  :P now ya know why i just use the 32bit disrtos...
[03:43] <DanglyBits> I am just trying out ubuntu...gentoo user usually...its one command line to get both in 64bit gentoo
[03:43] <wickedpuppy> anyone knows how to mount a cd in a cd so that the program that runs in that directory can access to the cd ? mount --bind /media/cdrom /new/place doesn't work
[03:43] <bimberi> laforge: yeah, i've got some FontPath entries in my xorg.conf that don't exist either.  I don't think that this is the problem with tightvncserver sorry
[03:44] <don824chan> can somone help me with installing a non-multiverse/universe program?
[03:44] <seife> man F@CK ubuntu, every time i change font it get fucked up
[03:44] <seife> now i dont see the lower bar again
[03:44] <laforge> bimberi: darn, is there another program i can try or a way around it?
[03:44] <DanglyBits> marcellus: any howtos on that chroot stuff for ubuntu?
[03:44] <seife> i wont reformat again
[03:45] <seife> iwill just uninstall this SH"AW"tQWTWQ
[03:45] <bimberi> laforge: vncserver
[03:45] <cycom> seife: wow. good job. You really have that windows mindset down.  'If it doesn't work, reinstall.'
[03:45] <laforge> bimberi: just vncserver in terminal?
[03:46] <bimberi> laforge: no, it's another package
[03:46] <Kris_k> will recompileing the kernel help speed up anything ?
[03:46] <laforge> bimberi: ok
[03:46] <breakthestate> so can i just add an /dev/video0 line to my /etc/fstab folder and make up a mount director in /mnt or will that screw everything up?
[03:46] <seife> cycom, are u helping me or whut
[03:46] <seife> :D
[03:46] <don824chan> can anyone just kind of try to help me here as i have no idea what i'm doing
[03:46] <_n00blar_> Hi all, can anyone recommend a backup program....I'd like to backup my data and some system config files to DvD
[03:46] <wickedpuppy> Kris_k, unless you know what you are doing , it will screw things up more than speeding up
[03:46] <wickedpuppy> _n00blar_,  tar
[03:46] <laforge> bimberi: vnc4server or regular vncserver?
[03:46] <wickedpuppy> don824chan, i don't know what you want either ...
[03:46] <wickedpuppy> pls ask
[03:47] <don824chan> i've been asking
[03:47] <don824chan> k
[03:47] <DanglyBits> anyone have a howto on that chroot enviroment stuff for ubuntu?
[03:47] <don824chan> i tried to install this program called gmask
[03:47] <marcellus> DanglyBits: I think I followed these instructions   http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[03:47] <wickedpuppy> its not in anywhere ?
[03:47] <don824chan> located here: http://homepage3.nifty.com/furumizo/l_gmaskd.htm
[03:47] <cycom> seife: I don're really have any information on the problem, since all I have is 'I changed the font and the lower bar dissapeard. give me something to work with and maybe I will.
[03:47] <wickedpuppy> does it have .deb ?
[03:47] <bimberi> laforge: either, up to you
[03:47] <laforge> bimberi: ok
[03:47] <don824chan> if one was to follow that link, one would see that it is not in a roman script
[03:47] <wickedpuppy> roman ?
[03:47] <don824chan> like
[03:47] <don824chan> japanese
[03:47] <don824chan> or arabic
[03:48] <don824chan> or something i don't know i think its japanese
[03:48] <kurtbec> Kris_k: you may get a little bit of a speed up but it won't be anything you'll really notice.  Usually you can save on the kernel memory footprint by stripping out what you don't need and making a smaller kernel image.
[03:48] <don824chan> but to me it appears as random symobls
[03:48] <fmasi> How to instal gaim 1.5 for hoary ???
[03:48] <don824chan> REGARDLESS i installed the file because i have gmask on my windows in english
[03:48] <_n00blar_> anything else other than tar..?
[03:48] <don824chan> downloaded*
[03:48] <crimsun> fmasi: just wait 7 more days fore Breezy?
[03:48] <crimsun> for^
[03:48] <cycom> dammit. he left.
[03:48] <fmasi> ok
[03:48] <don824chan> but there is no english version of gmask for linux
[03:48] <bimberi> only 6 here :P
[03:49] <laforge> bimberi: off topic question, i installed a few games on my laptop,  but i can't find them.  Like escape from pong, etc.
[03:49] <don824chan> so i installed it and extracted it
[03:49] <wickedpuppy> ok
[03:49] <laforge> bimberi: is there a way to get them in the games section of Xfce, and not having to execute from terminal?
[03:49] <don824chan> and it came with a readme file but since its not in english, i have no idea what it says except for a few commands
[03:49] <Kris_k> man i have so many problems on linux right now lol
[03:49] <wickedpuppy> installed and extract ?
[03:49] <wickedpuppy> i thought extract and install
[03:49] <don824chan> downloaded excuse me
[03:49] <don824chan> i used the wrong word again
[03:49] <wickedpuppy> Kris_k, what kind of prob ?
[03:49] <breakthestate> Kris: hang in there
[03:49] <kurtbec> Kris_k: whats broke man
[03:49] <SuseUX> anyone got the nvidia driver to compile?
[03:49] <wickedpuppy> don824chan, ok you downloaded
[03:49] <wickedpuppy> SuseUX, there is
[03:49] <wickedpuppy> at nvidia.com
[03:50] <bimberi> laforge: sorry, xfce is not well known to me
[03:50] <don824chan> yes and extracted
[03:50] <Kris_k> lol
[03:50] <don824chan> it came with a file called Makefile
[03:50] <SuseUX> wickedpuppy, yes I have it, but there is no kernel source for K7 kernel
[03:50] <don824chan> and i get the feeling I should do something with that but i'm not sure what
[03:50] <laforge> bimberi: ok, going to try it out, brb
[03:50] <wickedpuppy> SuseUX, www.ubuntuguide.org
[03:50] <bimberi> laforge: the locate command can be useful to find things (is uses a database that you keep up to date with the updatedb command)
[03:50] <Kris_k> well first games arnt running right in Cedega, Video Dvd's Do not play right, there will be more problems after i fix those
[03:50] <wickedpuppy> don824chan, you will have to read README
[03:50] <wickedpuppy> :P
[03:51] <don824chan> its not in english!
[03:51] <wickedpuppy> Kris_k, cedega doesn't support all games
[03:51] <Madpilot> wickedpuppy: recommending the ubuntuguide is not recommended...
[03:51] <SuseUX> :-)
[03:51] <don824chan> i can post the important parts in #flood
[03:51] <wickedpuppy> don824chan, now thats ... ah ... what can we do ?
[03:51] <Kris_k> wickedpuppy well im having problems in hl2 games
[03:51] <cevizoglu> what is the difference between "suspend" and "hibernate" from the logout menu?
[03:51] <wickedpuppy> Madpilot, i know but ok ok ... would you go through the steps with him ?
[03:52] <wickedpuppy> hl2 ? i don't think it is well supported yet ? no ? i never play windows games in linux ... i play them in windows
[03:52] <don824chan> wickedpuppy, go to flood and i'll post the instructions from readme file, it has english commands, but they aren';t working for me
[03:52] <wickedpuppy> don824chan, just pm me ?
[03:52] <kurtbec> Kris_k: whats the dvd problem?
[03:53] <don824chan>   make
[03:53] <don824chan>  gmask
[03:53] <don824chan> su
[03:53] <don824chan>   make install
[03:53] <Kris_k> well i tried 3 video players and they all play the dvd crappylike
[03:53] <don824chan> /usr/local/bin gmask
[03:53] <don824chan>
[03:53] <don824chan>   make uninstall
[03:53] <SuseUX> wickedpuppy, i'm running 5.10!
[03:53] <don824chan> /usr/local/bin/gmask
[03:53] <wickedpuppy> don824chan,
[03:53] <don824chan>
[03:53] <wickedpuppy> pm
[03:53] <Xenguy> don824chan: screw off
[03:53] <don824chan>   make clean
[03:53] <wickedpuppy> private message
[03:53] <don824chan>
[03:53] <don824chan> gmask
[03:53] <wickedpuppy> stop!!!!
[03:53] <don824chan> .gmask_ini
[03:53] <Xenguy>  /igr don824chan
[03:53] <Kris_k> well i tried 3 video players and they all play the dvd crappylike, glitchy and squary
[03:53] <wickedpuppy> don824chan, pm = private message
[03:53] <wickedpuppy> oh boy
[03:53] <DanglyBits> marcellus: found the howto tried to sudo apt-get install dchroot debootstrap but couldnt find package dchroot ...using breezy badger...any suggestions????
[03:54] <Kris_k> dma is set on the drive so thats not hte problem
[03:54] <laforge> ubuntuserver:1 (jordan)'
[03:54] <tritium> somebody please ping me if the channel gets flooded like that again
[03:55] <bimberi> don824chan: /msg + paste doesn't work well.  use /query <nick> to open a separate window
[03:55] <wickedpuppy> i am pming him ... i think he is also a irc newbie
[03:55] <mylastmorning> when I play Americas Army I get this error, anyone know how to fix? open /dev/[sound/] dsp: Device or resource busy
[03:55] <bimberi> wickedpuppy: k :)
[03:55] <mylastmorning> QUESTION: when I play Americas Army I get this error, anyone know how to fix? open /dev/[sound/] dsp: Device or resource busy
[03:55] <hondje> mylastmorning: killall esd, then run the AA command
[03:56] <Cuateco> hola
[03:56] <malv> welp. spent a good 5 hours trying to figure out why I can't hear sound despite all the modules being loaded
[03:56] <Cuateco> alguien me puede ayudar por favor??
[03:56] <malv> no luck
[03:56] <Cuateco> hola
[03:56] <Cuateco> alguien me puede ayudar por favor??
[03:56] <marcellus> DanglyBits: Its in universe and I use breezy too
[03:57] <Xenguy> !es
[03:57] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[03:57] <Cuateco> gracias
[03:57] <Laforge38> bimberia: where would i get vncviewer?
[03:57] <Diskgrind> I need to setup the screenmagnifier, help??  cant find it in synaptic package manager.
[03:58] <wickedpuppy> they are in apt-get
[03:58] <wickedpuppy> you can also get them in synaptic
[03:58] <Geno__> Hello everyone
[03:58] <Kris_k> wickedpuppy well i tried 3 video players and they all play the dvd crappylike, glitchy and squary
[03:58] <Geno__> Is it normal the the dvd download does noe work anymore?
[03:59] <DanglyBits> marcellus: tried universe and still cant find it
[03:59] <wickedpuppy> Kris_k, i play my dvd in tottem ... all no prob
[03:59] <N17R0> Kris_k: do u have DMA enabled for ur DVD-rom ?
[03:59] <DavidLeeRoth> at the linuxworld awards in london last night, ubuntu was voted as best distro
[04:00] <Kris_k> DMA is enabled, using another player wont work i tried 3 diffrent players an tottem doesnt even load anyways lol
[04:00] <Diskgrind> can someone help me install the assistive technology support?
[04:00] <N17R0> u tryed mplayer also ?
[04:00] <marcellus> DanglyBits: deb http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu breezy universe restricted multiverse main   is in my sources.list and I can find it
[04:01] <Kris_k> N17R0 ive tried XINE, Mplayer, VLC
[04:01] <DanglyBits> marcellus: i'll check my sources.list
[04:01] <logikal_> what are some sites for ubuntu KDE themes, I want to make it look nice.
[04:01] <logikal_> ?
[04:01] <N17R0> ahh breezy dist-upgrade finished after 1 hour, goota reboot, brb :P
[04:01] <logikal_> any clues, anyone?
[04:01] <Kris_k> see thats the biggest problem no one can fix my problems lmao
[04:02] <SillyCone> is there a way to setup mplayer so that when it is open and I double click on a video file, it doesnt open a second mplayer window, but plays that file in the mplayer that's already open?
[04:02] <Geno__> logikal_: ask on #kubuntu
[04:02] <Geno__> Is it normal the the dvd RC download does noe work anymore
[04:02] <Hobbsee> logikal: kde-look.org
[04:04] <Diskgrind> do you have to install additional codecs to get DVD's to play in Totem?
[04:04] <alksdjfoiwa> hey
[04:04] <justeco> wow, busy channel...
[04:04] <alksdjfoiwa> I didnt set a root password at installation
[04:04] <TiMiDo> !tell Diskgrind about dvd
[04:04] <alksdjfoiwa> how do I use su?
[04:04] <TiMiDo> !tell alksdjfoiwa about root
[04:04] <Kris_k> why hasent games made in linux come out of the 2d ara
[04:04] <pschulz01_> Greetings.. what package is required to 'make gconfig' for the kernel?
[04:04] <guidan> tell me about dvd
[04:04] <VIal> hola
[04:04] <zorba64> !dvd
[04:04] <ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu, some dvd's require libdvdcss2, which can be found in !hoary-extras
[04:04] <zorba64> !root
[04:04] <ubotu> I guess root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[04:05] <alksdjfoiwa> I just need a quick answer damnit
[04:05] <Diskgrind> where is hoary-extras
[04:05] <VIal> nesecito ayuda
[04:05] <zorba64> alksdjfoiwa: no spoonfeeding arounf here
[04:05] <Geno__> damnit read it, it's on the top
[04:05] <justeco> alksdjfoiwa, You probably aren'd doing yourselves any favores by getting a quick answer.   I USE GENTOO
[04:06] <_jason> alksdjfoiwa:  chill...
[04:06] <alksdjfoiwa> I DONT LIKE UBUNTU
[04:06] <logikal_> ubotu tell logikal windows
[04:06] <logikal_> ubotu tell logikal about windows
[04:06] <HrdwrBob> !ops
[04:06] <ubotu> well, ops is Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, fooishbar, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmich, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, and Nalioth
[04:06] <zorba64> alksdjfoiwa: tell you f...... friend to get on and ask
[04:06] <logikal_> ubotu tell logikal about mounting windows
[04:06] <tritium> thanks HrdwrBob
[04:07] <logikal_> ubotu tell logikal about mounting windows drives
[04:07] <HrdwrBob> np
[04:07] <logikal_> :\
[04:07] <justeco> alksdjfoiwa, Oh, I didn't understand that you were beligerant...  I'll hurry up and answer then..
[04:07] <hondje> lol
[04:07] <Madpilot> !tell logikal_ about windowsdrives
[04:07] <hondje> logikal_: mount -t ntfs /dev/whatever /your/mount/point
[04:07] <segfault2k> who is the admin of art.ubuntu.com?
[04:07] <pschulz01_> Doing a 'make gconfig' for a linux kernel gives the following error: "You need gtk+-2.0, glib-2.0 and libglade-2.0.". What packages should i install to get these?
[04:08] <laforge> would it make sense that vnc4server executes but vncserver gives me font errors?
[04:08] <Diskgrind> can someone help me install the assistive techonolgiy package????
[04:08] <twysted> pschulz01> glib and gtk ;)
[04:08] <segfault2k> who is the admin of art.ubuntu.com?
[04:08] <DavidLeeRoth> at the linuxworld awards in london last night, ubuntu was voted as best distro\
[04:08] <pschulz01_> twyste: You need '-dev' for the headers.
[04:08] <twysted> segfault2k we heard you the first time so please wait for an answer
[04:09] <zorba64> pschulz01_: try apt-cache search on those
[04:09] <Kris_k> how to run a .deb package ????
[04:09] <SuseUX> DavidLeeRoth, wonder why :-)
[04:09] <twysted> sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[04:09] <DavidLeeRoth> Kris_k, are you wanting to install one?
[04:09] <Kris_k> yes
[04:09] <DavidLeeRoth> dpkg -i xxx.deb
[04:09] <segfault2k> twysted: can you hear on irc?
[04:09] <segfault2k> =D
[04:09] <mark_> Hey guys
[04:09] <twysted> with text to speech i can ;)
[04:10] <mark_> How do I upgrade to breezy?
[04:10] <segfault2k> cool :D
[04:10] <zorba64> mark_: if you need to ask, better wait for your disks
[04:10] <Kris_k> gah where can i get this at libsdl-image1.2
[04:10] <pschulz01_> zorba64: Have tried that .. but still not sure.
[04:10] <segfault2k> Mark_
[04:10] <segfault2k> change every hoary in sources.list
[04:10] <segfault2k> with a breezy
[04:11] <segfault2k> and apt-get update && apt-get -u dist-upgrade as root (sudo su)
[04:11] <twysted> Mark_
[04:11] <twysted> are you upgrading to test breezy?
[04:11] <segfault2k> breezy rocks :P
[04:11] <DavidLeeRoth> i have a question?  How do you pronouncy hoary?  it has caused some pretty embarrassing moments for me.  (people callying it slutty etc lol)
[04:12] <segfault2k> why ubuntu dont have a kde by default?
[04:12] <DavidLeeRoth> segfault2k, you can download kubuntu
[04:12] <dmlinux> Hey guys how do i unlock things that are on my desktop?
[04:12] <eythian> when breezy comes out, will it be simple enough to update from the CD? (there is a reason for this:)
[04:12] <twysted> segfault2k, because ubuntu is gnome based ;)
[04:12] <synackuator> isn't like whore-e
[04:12] <synackuator> *it
[04:12] <Hobbsee> segfault2k: it does, and it's called kubuntu
[04:12] <eythian> dmlinux, what do you mean by unlock?
[04:12] <zorba64> eythian: yup
[04:12] <twysted> eythian> it should be pretty easy to upgrade from cd
[04:12] <eythian> cool
[04:12] <Hobbsee> yeah, cd upgrade is simple
[04:12] <Kiwi____> whats the 'easy way' to format my flash drive?
[04:12] <Ryan_T> How can i partition my hard drive without doing a clean install?
[04:13] <dmlinux> eythian, i put my MP3s file there, and its locked, i cant move itor delete any files in it
[04:13] <Diskgrind> you can have both GUI's in Ubuntu
[04:13] <pschulz01_> DavidLeeRoth: well.. at least it is memorable.
[04:13] <Diskgrind> both gnome and kde
[04:13] <segfault2k> [22:12]  <Hobbsee> segfault2k: it does, and it's called kubuntu <-- ahh :D so,  kubuntu is better? :D
[04:13] <mark_> zorba64, a link would be great. I did it once already today
[04:13] <pschulz01_> Kiwi____: To what?
[04:13] <Hobbsee> segfault2k: well, for those of us who prefer kde, yes
[04:13] <Ryan_T> How can i partition my hard drive without doing a clean install?
[04:13] <DavidLeeRoth> qtparted
[04:13] <eythian> dmlinux, hmm. Press 'ctrl-r', maybe they're not really there, and this will refresh it
[04:13] <Hobbsee> Ryan_T: gparted
[04:14] <twysted> ryan_t we saw your question the first time ;)
[04:14] <Ryan_T> srry
[04:14] <dmlinux> eythian i did, they are
[04:14] <dmlinux> eythian has a little padlock symbol on the upper right of the icon
[04:14] <Kiwi____> pschulz01: Its corrupted i want to reformat it to FAT32
[04:14] <Ryan_T> Hobbsee: whats gtparted
[04:14] <Ryan_T> Hobbsee: *qtparted
[04:14] <Hobbsee> Ryan_T: partitioner, a graphical one
[04:14] <eythian> dmlinux, oh. right click->properties->permissions. Make sure you own it.
[04:15] <Geno__>  Is it normal the the dvd RC download does not work anymore?
[04:15] <DavidLeeRoth> in soviet russia, the file owns you!!
[04:15] <DAC1138> can anyone explain to me the difference between a release candidate and the final release of breezy?
[04:15] <mark_> someone send me a link the steps the upgrading Ubuntu
[04:15] <pschulz01_> as root, mkfs.vfat <partition>
[04:15] <twysted> Geno_, are you using a bookmarked link?
[04:15] <dmlinux> eythian i owned it , but "write" was taken off, got it now
[04:15] <Geno__> no
[04:15] <DavidLeeRoth> mark_ look at the irc topic
[04:15] <DAC1138> mark_, http://ubuntuguide.org/#upgradehoarytobreezy
[04:15] <zorba64> DAC1138: about  a week of bug squishing etc
[04:15] <Geno__> twysted: simply on the download page
[04:15] <dmlinux> eythian hey do you know how to make Gdesklets run on start up?
[04:15] <twysted> DAC1138, release candidate is like a beta, final release is what you want
[04:16] <concept10> DAC1138, like buying a new car before they put the 4th wheel on it
[04:16] <DAC1138> so the RC is nothing more than a renamed daily build
[04:16] <twysted> hehe ^5 concept10
[04:16] <Ryan_T> Where do u get or how do i use qtparted
[04:16] <eythian> dmlinux, add it as a session program I think.
[04:16] <DavidLeeRoth> twysted, wil the cd's from shipit.ubuntu.com be the fianl release or the release candidate?
[04:16] <twysted> DAC1138 correct
[04:16] <Diskgrind> can I get help installing the assistive technology package???
[04:16] <DAC1138> got it. thanks
[04:16] <DavidLeeRoth> Ryan_T google for qtparted
[04:16] <Madpilot> DAC1138: I think "release canidate" translates as "almost ready to go"...
[04:16] <concept10> DavidLeeRoth, final release of course
[04:16] <twysted> DavidLeeRoth shipit only releases finals
[04:16] <pschulz01_> Kiwi____: just don't ge tthe partition wrong. (Should be /dev/sda1 if you have no other storage attached.)
[04:17] <DAC1138> i tried the daily build about 5 days ago and it was "broken". i wont go into detail
[04:17] <benkong2_wrk> !wireless
[04:17] <ubotu> from memory, wireless is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[04:17] <dmlinux> eythian, i did ,  but do i have to go to the root program or just type in Gdesklets under command ?
[04:17] <mark_> DavidLeeRoth where is that?
[04:17] <Geno__> The DVD download just shows a 403 error.
[04:17] <Epix> wow, 4'33" by Cage is an amazing song
[04:17] <_jason> Ryan_T:  gparted is available on the liveCD... I used that the other day
[04:17] <concept10> DAC1138, the daily build could be broken
[04:17] <DAC1138> so i was hoping the "release canidate" might translate into something useable. ill wait a week though
[04:17] <Ryan_T> _Jason:
[04:17] <seife> Hi i need help
[04:17] <Epix> Breezy killed my computer
[04:17] <Ryan_T> _Jason: so i can use it to creat partitions?
[04:17] <Amaranth> DAC1138: If you have any problems with it, now is the time to file bug reports.
[04:17] <eythian> dmlinux, I'm not too sure, I htink just typing gdesklets as the command\
[04:17] <Xel-> Hey all!
[04:17] <_jason> Ryan_T:  yes
[04:18] <bob2> seife: you need to ask a question, first...
[04:18] <DAC1138> Amaranth, its the same bug report i submitted wit hoary and warty, which they havent fixed
[04:18] <concept10> DAC1138, you could use a release candidate which is different from the daily build
[04:18] <DavidLeeRoth> Ryan_T, after you download qtparted, dpkg -i the package
[04:18] <Amaranth> DAC1138: Got a #?
[04:18] <_jason> Ryan_T:  if you are shrinking an existing partition you may want to read some of the HowTo's because you have to defrag first
[04:18] <DavidLeeRoth> if it does not come as a deb package, use alien -d
[04:18] <concept10> DAC1138, but stick to what you know
[04:18] <Xel-> I have a quick question:  I've got a Semperon machine - is it 32bit or 64bit?  I've seen it mentioned as both, and I don't want to install the wrong version of Ubuntu
[04:18] <DAC1138> Amaranth, i submitted the bug report, and they totall screwed up support for my graphics chipset
[04:18] <Ryan_T> no, i need to make a partition
[04:18] <Xel-> Semperon 3000+
[04:18] <DavidLeeRoth> xel, its Sempron
[04:18] <Ryan_T> wait, could i use VolumeWorks?
[04:19] <Amaranth> DAC1138: Got a bug number?
[04:19] <Xenguy> Xel-: 32 I would guess
[04:19] <DAC1138> Amaranth, nope
[04:19] <Xel-> Hmm.  Thank you.
[04:19] <_jason> Ryan_T:  gparted will work fine then
[04:19] <Amaranth> DAC1138: Not much I can do to help then.
[04:19] <Amaranth> DAC1138: What email address did you use?
[04:19] <Ryan_T> _Jason: Could i also use VoumeWorks?
[04:19] <DAC1138> Amaranth, im not even going to mess with it anymore. i tweaked and got it working, im happy
[04:19] <Xel-> Last question:  Any popular guide to getting Ubuntu to dual-boot on a machine that already has winxp installed? I found some instructions on the net, but I'd rather go with something that is popular than some random site that I find.
[04:19] <bob2> Xel-: if it's an am64 machine, you can install either the i386 or amd64 ports of ubuntu
[04:20] <_jason> Ryan_T:  no idea... gparted on liveCD was what was recommended to me
[04:20] <bob2> Xel-: amd64 is "faster", but doesn't support non-free binary-only junk as well as i386 does
[04:20] <Amaranth> Xel-: For the most part setting it up with winxp "Just Works"
[04:20] <Amaranth> Xel-: Just make sure WinXP was installed first.
[04:20] <Xel-> Amaranth , right.
[04:20] <Xel-> It is.
[04:20] <bob2> Xel-: ignore those instructions, the installer sets it up automatically in 99% of cases
[04:20] <Ryan_T> _Jason: ok, and it wont delete anything on my hardrive right?
[04:20] <Xel-> Ok awsome.
[04:20] <Xel-> Well now I just need to find something to resize this partition.
[04:20] <Geno__> does Visual Studio .NET work under Linux without a clone?(ex: Wine)
[04:20] <Xel-> And then I'm set.
[04:20] <Xel-> Thank you all
[04:20] <_jason> Ryan_T:  if you are creating a new partition from unpartitioned space then no
[04:20] <bob2> Xel-: the installer aslo lets you resize NTFs partitions
[04:21] <Xel-> Ohh wow, it does?
[04:21] <Hobbsee> Xel-: qtparted
[04:21] <Amaranth> DAC1138: What email address did you use to file the bug? If it's messing up your video completely it at least deserves to get some eyes on it, even if it doesn't get fixed for breezy.
[04:21] <Hobbsee> or the installer
[04:21] <Ryan_T> _Jason: then that creats a problem
[04:21] <pschulz01_> I'm still having problems with getting the required packages for a kernel configure..
[04:21] <_jason> Ryan_T:  what does?
[04:21] <DAC1138> Amaranth, i think it was<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:21] <Ryan_T> _Jason: Erasing my harddrive
[04:21] <bob2> pschulz01_: install build-essential, kernel-package and fakeroot
[04:21] <DavidLeeRoth> i was verry impressed with the ubuntu installer being able to resize ntfs
[04:21] <Xel-> Well awsome.
[04:21] <_jason> Ryan_T:  what exactly are you going to do
[04:21] <bimberi> Xel-: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[04:22] <e-sin> i wish i'd have known that before getting a copy of partition expert :/
[04:22] <pschulz01_> bob2: Cheers...
[04:22] <Xel-> Thanks
[04:22] <Ryan_T> _Jason: Install Ubuntu without erasing my current harddrive
[04:22] <_jason> Ryan_T:  so you have windows now and want to dualboot?
[04:22] <Ryan_T> _Jason: i have mac osx
[04:22] <DavidLeeRoth> have you tried yellowdog?
[04:23] <bob2> bah
[04:23] <Hobbsee> so you'll have to resize your apple partition, so that you have space for your linux ones
[04:23] <pschulz01_> bob2: I'm having problems with 'make gconfig'..
[04:23] <_jason> Ryan_T:  ok I'm not familiar with mac OSX but I'd assume that currently you have OSX taking up the whole drive right?
[04:23] <bob2> pschulz01_: then don't do that
[04:23] <Hobbsee> Ryan_T: so you'll have to resize your apple partition, so that you have space for your linux ones
[04:23] <bob2> pschulz01_: or install libgtk2.0-dev
[04:23] <Xel-> bimberi: The partition resize is non-destructive, right?  That guide says to back everything up.
[04:23] <DAC1138> thanks, ill try a dist-upgrade then. cya
[04:23] <Ryan_T> _Jason: yes
[04:24] <bob2> Xel-: yes
[04:24] <tony_the_cablegu> Hi
[04:24] <Amaranth> ack, i just found his bug
[04:24] <_jason> Ryan_T:  like Hobbsee you have to resize the mac partition and then create a new partition for linux
[04:24] <bimberi> Xel-: yes it is non-destructive, but it's a good idea to back up anyway
[04:24] <bob2> Xel-: before ever doing something that drastic to a disk, tho, you should have backups
[04:24] <Xel-> Of course
[04:24] <DavidLeeRoth> like an external usb disk
[04:24] <Ryan_T> _Jason: But how do i make a new one?
[04:24] <Xel-> I just wanted to be clear that it was nondestructive
[04:24] <bimberi> Xel-: k :)
[04:24] <Hobbsee> Ryan_T: it will in the install
[04:24] <Diskgrind> can I get help installing the assistive technology package??
[04:25] <_jason> Hobbsee:  can you help Ryan_T with the mac dualboot, I don't know anything about it?
[04:25] <Hobbsee> _jason: i know similarly little - i'm not a mac user
[04:25] <pschulz01_> bob2: have that.. found the problem. I needed 'libglademm2.0-dev'. (Or one of it's dependancies)
[04:25] <Hobbsee> but i'll try and help you, sure
[04:25] <Hobbsee> !qtparted
[04:26] <pschulz01_> bob2: Found it via: "apt-cache search  glade 2.0 | grep dev"
[04:26] <ubotu> Hobbsee: What?
[04:26] <Hobbsee> !gtparted
[04:26] <ubotu> No idea, Hobbsee
[04:26] <Diskgrind> you have to add gtparted in synaptic package manager.
[04:26] <bob2> pschulz01_: erk
[04:26] <cycom> Hobbsee: out of curiosity are you dual booting ubuntu with OSX?
[04:26] <Hobbsee> no, i'm dual booting with windows
[04:27] <Diskgrind> so what do you need help with?
[04:27] <Diskgrind> partitioning?
[04:27] <cycom> Hobbsee: oh, I thought it was on a mac.
[04:27] <cycom> Hobbsee: what kind of machine?
[04:27] <cycom> oh! haha. had it backwards
[04:27] <Hobbsee> mine?  toshiba a10 satellite laptop
[04:27] <kbrooks> gparted rules
[04:28] <Hobbsee> Ryan_T is the one with the mac
[04:28] <cycom> I got that now. :)
[04:28] <Ryan_T> Yes, i have the mac
[04:28] <cycom> Hobbsee: I have a Satellite M45
[04:28] <jdm64> HELP! I installed OpenOffce Base but when i try to make a new database it dies when insterting a table, saying: "The Connection to the data source "testdatabase" could not be established libhsqldb2: file not found"
[04:28] <Diskgrind> hobbsee   what do you need help with?
[04:28] <cycom> Ryan_T: and you want to dual boot on it?
[04:28] <_jason> Ryan_T:  maybe http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=55757&highlight=osx+dual will help you
[04:28] <Ryan_T> cycom: ok
[04:29] <Hobbsee> Diskgrind: i was attempting to help Ryan_T with his dual boot
[04:29] <Diskgrind> hobbsee   sorry I was just trying to help aswell..
[04:29] <Hobbsee> :P that's ok Diskgrind
[04:29] <Ryan_T> cycom: this requires erasing my harddrive, thats what im tring to avoid
[04:29] <Diskgrind> can I get help installing the assistive technology package??
[04:30] <Diskgrind> I need the screen reader and the magnifier
[04:30] <cycom> Ryan_T: you can't resize the partitions?
[04:30] <Ryan_T> cycom: I dont even have any set up
[04:31] <Ryan_T> cycom: i need to make one
[04:31] <Ryan_T> cycom: for ubuntu
[04:31] <Kris_k> are there any cool linux games ?
[04:31] <Hobbsee> So we need a mac partitioner
[04:31] <aurax> is there some opensource gui to manage a store
[04:31] <_jason> Kris_k:  Tuxracer!
[04:31] <e-sin> Ryan_T, is there no mac partition manager?
[04:31] <Diskgrind> cycom    your irc'ing from window?
[04:31] <Hobbsee> Kris_k: ubuntuforums.org - there's a gaming subforum that you can drool over :P
[04:31] <TedLemon> I think that NetBSD has a mac partitioner.
[04:32] <jdm64> HELP! I installed OpenOffce Base but when i try to make a new database it dies when inserting a table, saying: "The Connection to the data source "testdatabase" could not be established libhsqldb2: file not found"
[04:32] <Ryan_T> e-sin: there is, but u can only use it when with the mac osx installer durring a clean install
[04:32] <Kris_k> where is this subform
[04:32] <bob2> jdm64: so, go to packages.ubuntu.com and find out what package that file is in
[04:32] <e-sin> hmm
[04:32] <kbrooks> Kris_k: on the ubuntu forums
[04:32] <cycom> Ryan_T: you there?
[04:33] <bob2> Hobbsee: what? the ubuntu installer includes a "mac partitioner", as does ubuntu itself
[04:33] <Ryan_T> cycom: yes
[04:33] <Hobbsee> oh does it?
[04:33] <cycom> parted can shrink HFS and HFS+ partitions, supposedly.  The start has to stay fixed though
[04:33] <Kris_k> yes i dont see a forum about gaming tho
[04:33] <cycom> Diskgrind: what?
[04:33] <bob2> Hobbsee: how else would you install ubuntu?
[04:33] <Hobbsee> Kris_k: it's in the second section
[04:33] <Hobbsee> bob2: good question, i wasnt sure if it did
[04:33] <Diskgrind> cycom   was just trying to help out
[04:34] <_jason> Kris_k:  under "App. support"
[04:34] <Kris_k> second site ?
[04:34] <Diskgrind> since no one would help me.. I thought I would try to help others.......
[04:34] <cycom> Diskgrind: oh :) I don't have any problems, really.
[04:34] <SD_Jimmy> Kris_k, just go with the classic games like nethack :P
[04:35] <Diskgrind> I need the screen reader and the magnifier
[04:35] <_jason> Kris_k:  http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=53
[04:35] <Diskgrind> can I get help installing the assistive technology package??
[04:35] <Kris_k> is there any games that are cool like some of the windows games
[04:35] <bob2> Diskgrind: so install it, jeez
[04:35] <Paradoxx> hmmm, what would b the command to add read/write/execute permissions to a file?
[04:35] <kbrooks> Kris_k: many
[04:35] <Ryan_T> How do i chose a partition to start up on to?
[04:35] <Diskgrind> bob2 ....   how?  it isnt listed in synaptic
[04:35] <bob2> Diskgrind: ?
[04:35] <bob2> Diskgrind: gnopernicus, gnome-mag
[04:36] <cycom> bob2: beat me to it
[04:36] <remyforbes777>  Paradoxx chmod 777 <filename>
[04:36] <kbrooks> Kris_k: i have atomix, gweled and lbreakout2
[04:36] <Diskgrind> bob2 I searched for gnopermicus and nothing..
[04:36] <e-sin> Ryan_T, i think GRUB handles that later in the install
[04:36] <Paradoxx> remyforbes777: would that b for a particulay user, or all users?
[04:36] <remyforbes777> all users
[04:36] <Paradoxx> i want to add it for a particular user
[04:36] <Kris_k> kbrooks that dont run in cedega
[04:36] <Paradoxx> how do i go about doing that?
[04:36] <propagandhi> Kris_k: http://www.tuxwarez.com
[04:36] <remyforbes777> its users, groups, all others
[04:37] <remyforbes777> im sorry
[04:37] <kbrooks> propagandhi: ...
[04:37] <remyforbes777> owner, group, all others
[04:37] <bob2> Diskgrind: well, that's great, but it is in ubuntu
[04:37] <Paradoxx> i wanna add it for my user and group only
[04:37] <bob2> Paradoxx: make them the owner
[04:37] <Ryan_T> e-sin: but i can start up from my main system to ubuntu?
[04:37] <remyforbes777> chown
[04:37] <Diskgrind> bob2 can you help direct me to it pleae?
[04:37] <kbrooks> propagandhi: i question the legality of that link
[04:37] <twysted`> propagandhi> dont post warez sites here :)
[04:37] <Paradoxx> i'm the owner already, but i wanna do it for all the files in a folder
[04:38] <bob2> Diskgrind: how could I guess what you've misconfigured?
[04:38] <bob2> Diskgrind: /msg ubotu repositories
[04:38] <propagandhi> kbrooks: you'd be right in questioning it i'd say
[04:38] <bob2> Paradoxx: so make yourself the owner of all the others, too
[04:38] <Diskgrind> bob2 dont be a smartass if your not going to help   dont speak.
[04:38] <kbrooks> Seveas: are you there?
[04:38] <kbrooks> !ops
[04:38] <ubotu> I guess ops is Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, fooishbar, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmich, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, and Nalioth
[04:38] <bob2> kbrooks: ?
[04:38] <Amaranth> what's up?
[04:38] <bob2> Diskgrind: then read that and install it?
[04:38] <kbrooks> propagandhi posted a warez link
[04:39] <e-sin> Ryan_T, i'm not running OS X but GRUB should work the same either way.  here, at boot, GRUB shows and asks you to pick ur OS.  Ubuntu is the default choice and boots after 10 seconds if you don't select another OS
[04:39] <Amaranth> propagandhi: Please keep this channel on topic and legal.
[04:39] <Diskgrind> bob2  what ever.
[04:39] <remyforbes777> paradox user chmod -R for recursive
[04:39] <propagandhi> Amaranth: no problem
[04:39] <Ryan_T> e-sin: thancks
[04:39] <bob2> Diskgrind: stop whinging and read it
[04:39] <tritium> kbrooks, what's up?
[04:39] <bob2> Diskgrind: you could have installed it by now
[04:40] <kbrooks> tritium: solved now, nm :)
[04:40] <Diskgrind> well you could be better help and explain it....
[04:40] <bob2> Diskgrind: 12:38:08           bob2 | Diskgrind: /msg ubotu repositories
[04:40] <bob2> Diskgrind: stop complaining and type that into your IRC client
[04:40] <tritium> kbrooks, ok, thanks
[04:40] <kbrooks> diskgrind: please be helpful
[04:41] <twysted`> diskgrind i dont see how bob2 could have been more specific when he typed what to do :)
[04:41] <kbrooks> Diskgrind: help others help you
[04:41] <kbrooks> Amaranth: thanks ;)
[04:41] <TedLemon> Okay, so I have pbuilder set up, but when I try to get it to download the breezy packages, I get a bunch of errors and it bombed out.   The errors all seem to be complaints about apt-get update not working to add new preview CD-ROMs.
[04:42] <Diskgrind> bob2  sorry.   what and how do I type it and where exactly?
[04:42] <bob2> Diskgrind: 12:40:14           bob2 | Diskgrind: 12:38:08           bob2 | Diskgrind: /msg ubotu repositories
[04:42] <bob2> Diskgrind: into your irc client
[04:42] <dmlinux> Hey all, anyone have any idea why RYTHMBOX cant play my MP3s
[04:42] <kbrooks> Diskgrind: into your irc client
[04:42] <bob2> TedLemon: questions like that need to be accompanied by sources.list and full apt output
[04:42] <_jason> !tell dmlinux about restricted
[04:43] <jdm64> bob2: I searched packages.ubuntu.com an the file was in openoffice.org2-base (1.9.129-0.1ubuntu3-0ubuntu1, 1.9.129-0.1ubuntu3) but that's already installed!!!
[04:43] <Diskgrind> repositories
[04:43] <_jason> dmlinux:  read the link ubotu sent you
[04:43] <kbrooks> !tell Diskgrind repositories
[04:43] <dmlinux> _jason, that sucks !! omg
[04:43] <kbrooks> bob2: now your frustration is over
[04:43] <bob2> jdm64: dpkg -L openoffice.org2-base | grep whateverthefilename was
[04:43] <TedLemon> I don't mind providing that, but have no idea how to do so.
[04:43] <bob2> Diskgrind: /msg ubotu repositories
[04:44] <bob2> TedLemon: why are you using pbuilder?
[04:44] <Diskgrind> I dont know what that means.????
[04:44] <Hobbsee> dmlinux: you can still get them, you just have to get them from another site
[04:44] <TedLemon> because you told me to?
[04:44] <_jason> dmlinux:  it's not difficult to install.  It's because of legal issues.  Just read that link
[04:44] <TedLemon> I need to build packages from source so that I can debug and do development work.
[04:44] <kbrooks> Diskgrind: do yuo mean you didnt run it because you didnt know what /msg does?
[04:44] <justeco> WHat flash plugin are people using?  All the ones I try work for crap....
[04:44] <Diskgrind> correct
[04:44] <bob2> you're doing development work but don't know what sources.list is?
[04:44] <bob2> Diskgrind: dude
[04:44] <kbrooks> Diskgrind: why didnt you say so?
[04:45] <TedLemon> I am a programmer, not a debian wizard.
[04:45] <bob2> Diskgrind: please please please do what I literally said
[04:45] <Diskgrind> bob2 Im a noob...
[04:45] <bob2> Diskgrind: I don't care
[04:45] <TedLemon> All my previous packaging experience is on NetBSD pkgsrc.
[04:45] <bob2> Diskgrind: /msg ubotu repositories
[04:45] <cowbud> isn't there a way to do the equiv of fdisk /mbr with linux fdisk?
[04:45] <dmlinux> _jason ok , reading through it now,
[04:45] <bob2> Diskgrind: type that into your IRC client
[04:45] <bob2> cowbud: of course not
[04:45] <bob2> cowbud: that's a boot loader issue, not a partioner one
[04:45] <cowbud> bob2: uhh I think there is if not then how am I supposed ot remove my boot loader?
[04:45] <bob2> cowbud: e.g. grub-install if you're using grub
[04:45] <abk> hello
[04:45] <bob2> cowbud: you need to be more specific about your goal then
[04:45] <abk> is there a support questions waiting line?
[04:46] <cowbud> so if I removed the partition where grub points to how do I remove grub if I am booted to a linux boot disk with grub on it?
[04:46] <bob2> TedLemon: pbuilder is not useful for random development work
[04:46] <erick> good day guys
[04:46] <kbrooks> what is pbuilder, bob2?
[04:46] <bob2> TedLemon: it's only useful for test-building packages
[04:46] <bob2> kbrooks: apt-cache show pbuilder
[04:46] <bob2> abk: just ask your question
[04:46] <Hobbsee> abk: the policy is "ask your question in plenty of detail and you will probably get an answer"
[04:46] <abk> wonderful
[04:46] <bob2> cowbud: you don't remove it.  what are you trying to put in your MBR?
[04:46] <TedLemon> Right, I need to build the package as it's being installed in breezy; otherwise what's the point?
[04:47] <TedLemon> I'm trying to fix a bug in the breezy version of kmail.
[04:47] <cowbud> bob2: linux is gone I want to fix my mbr I can't boot to windows anymore and I only have linux boot disks is it possible or do I need to dig up a xp cd?
[04:47] <jdm64> bob2: It said the file is here /usr/lib/openoffice2/program/libhsqldb2.so but I still can't make a table. Because OOo sais that it can't connect to the data source?
[04:47] <erick> is ubuntus's openoffice possible to upgrade? lets say I want to add additional fonts
[04:47] <bob2> cowbud: so, your question is "how do I restore the windows bootloader to the mbr?"?  that does require a windows cd, yes.
[04:47] <kbrooks> erick: you don't upgrade for that
[04:47] <cowbud> bob2 yah yah how does it feel to be like that?
[04:47] <bob2> jdm64: dunno then, sounds like a bug; I'd report it in bugzilla
[04:48] <bob2> wtf
[04:48] <bob2> TedLemon: you're not using breezy?
[04:48] <Diskgrind> bob2  I am using xchat     where do I typ /msg ubotu repositories?  Im not trying to be difficult.
[04:48] <abk> I have a G4 Cube, two-partition setup, did a pretty much stock Ubuntu install. Set up yaboot, etc. etc. Try and start up ubuntu and the x window server won't start up
[04:48] <kbrooks> erick: you create a fonts directory in your home directory, and place the fonts there
[04:48] <abk> I just get a text login prompt
[04:48] <bob2> Diskgrind: in. your. irc. client.
[04:48] <bob2> !tell Diskgrind about repositories
[04:48] <bimberi> jdm64: could it be that the data source "testdatabase" doesn't exist (guessing)
[04:48] <TedLemon> I am using breezy.
[04:48] <bob2> Diskgrind: just read the window that popped up
[04:48] <bob2> TedLemon: then why not build kmail on your normal system?
[04:49] <kbrooks> bob2: i tried sending it to him (using ubotu), but it gave me a error
[04:49] <Diskgrind> bob2  ok
[04:49] <Villa> hi
[04:49] <erick> kbrooks, any fonts
[04:49] <kbrooks> no kbrooks, I won't. (target invalid?)
[04:49] <TedLemon> It's a long story.
[04:50] <TedLemon> First of all, I need to make sure that I'm hacking on the correct source, so the obvious way to do that is to get the source that you guys are using to build the package.
[04:50] <kbrooks> TedLemon: do you want the latest version of a certain app
[04:50] <ubuntuking> hello all
[04:50] <bob2> TedLemon: apt-get source kmail
[04:50] <bob2> TedLemon: (in your homedir)
[04:51] <TedLemon> Okay, that gets me what was built into the package?
[04:51] <twysted> yes
[04:51] <bob2> TedLemon: that gets yo uthe source the binary packages were built from, yes
[04:52] <TedLemon> Okay, cool.   That's a start.
[04:52] <kbrooks> why isnt pbuilder useful for random dev work? chroot?
[04:52] <jdm64> bimberi: I'm using OOo's build-in database server (or trying to). The file testdatabase.odb does exist. OOo created it when I tryed to make a new database.
[04:52] <Villa> Does anyone know when they plan on bringing Ghostscript-esp up to date?
[04:52] <dmlinux> _jason when i try to instal plugins it says broken packages
[04:52] <Villa> or at least into 8
[04:52] <erick> kbrooks,where can I find the additional fonts?in msoffice if you want additional fonts you will install it, in openoffice just create a fonts dir in your home directory and place there?
[04:53] <bimberi> jdm64: k (i was guessing :) ) - there is #openoffice.org btw, but it could be a bug with the ubuntu build
[04:54] <bob2> kbrooks: you don't need to for just compiling things
[04:54] <dmlinux> WHY is it when i folow ubuntuguide and add repositories they gave me these MIRRORMAX sites that always gives me errors on synaptics
[04:54] <kevogod> !ubuntuguide
[04:54] <ubotu> ubuntuguide is probably out of date, breaks PCs and doesn't explain anything. The official FAQ Guide, which is based on ubuntuguide will soon be the help menu in Breezy. For more information see !faq.
[04:54] <bob2> kbrooks: it's useful for building things in a strictly-controlled environment (e.g. testing to make sure it will really build on the ubuntu or debian autobuilders)
[04:54] <jdm64> bimberi: I think it's with ubuntu because it work wonders in Windows!
[04:54] <Rev-Marc> greetings to all, could someone tell me how to disable the touchpad on my laptop?
[04:54] <bimberi> jdm64: heh
[04:55] <kevogod> dmlinux, Don't use Ubuntuguide, it is not affiliated with Ubuntu.
[04:55] <twysted> Rev-marc look at your laptop's documentation? :)
[04:55] <dmlinux> kevogod, what repositores should i use
[04:55] <bob2> Rev-Marc: may or may not be possible at runtime
[04:55] <kevogod> !tell dmlinux about repositories
[04:55] <kbrooks> bob2: ah ok
[04:55] <propagandhi> bob2: if you remove the synaptics entry in the xorg.conf, would that work
[04:55] <Rev-Marc> thanks but when I was trying out Linspite I disabled it in the OS
[04:56] <shadeofgrey> hi everybody -- id like to know how to run the ubuntu equivelant to MS-CHKDSK -- and iwant to use the most extensive options possible... y'know... verifying directory and file structures as well as examining every block and sector for potential problems...
[04:56] <bob2> propagandhi: I dn't think that would work
[04:56] <Rev-Marc> Linspite = Linspire
[04:56] <bob2> shadeofgrey: chkdsk is not that thorough
[04:56] <Jeffrae> Anyone using a (Don't Laugh.. I got it for free, but it prints like a charm) Dell 3000cn?
[04:56] <bob2> shadeofgrey: fsck will examine filesystems, tho
[04:56] <bob2> shadeofgrey: aside from reiserfs, of course
[04:57] <durt> rev-marc, install gsynaptics
[04:57] <dcarpenter> hey guys is anyone familiar with c++ coding and able to answer a simple question for a beginner?.. off topic i know
[04:57] <esac_> i am trying to install linux-restricted-modules, and it wants me to insert the breezy cd (which i dont have anymore). isnt it able to get it from online ?
[04:57] <TedLemon> blech, this is what I was afraid of - when I type "./configure" in the sources for kdepim (which is where kmail comes from), it blows up.   so something's not right about the process I'm following.
[04:57] <bob2> dcarpenter: it's less of-topic if you just ask
[04:57] <bob2> TedLemon: did you install the build dependencies?
[04:57] <Rev-Marc> Thank You I will try that
[04:57] <bob2> TedLemon: sudo apt-get build-dep kmail
[04:57] <kbrooks> TedLemon: blows up -- define?
[04:58] <bimberi> Jeffrae: not i, but i liked the way you asked :)
[04:58] <shadeofgrey> okay... ive tried running fsck before in a root terminal and itgives me errors saying that i need to unmount the disk first, and warns me every time that if i proceed all hell will break loose
[04:58] <dcarpenter> bob2, im trying to define a phrase as another phrase
[04:58] <Jeffrae> hahaha
[04:58] <Jeffrae> Well I knew I would get laughed at
[04:58] <bob2> shadeofgrey: yes, of course
[04:58] <bob2> shadeofgrey: modifying a filesystem underneath the kernel would be terrible, and trying to scan a filesystem that's being modified won't work either
[04:59] <kbrooks> shadeofgrey: it will no matter what
[04:59] <dcarpenter> basically I have 2 inputs and i want the answer of those two subtracted to be a variable
[04:59] <bimberi> Jeffrae: you do need to be a bit more specific about the problem though
[04:59] <Jeffrae> Well
[04:59] <bob2> shadeofgrey: if it's your root filesystem, you need a live cd, or to go to single user mode and remount / read-only
[04:59] <dieman> heh
[04:59] <kbrooks> bob2: what about mounted file systems
[04:59] <Jeffrae> IT prints but it gives me PCL errors and on the window when using with ubuntu
[04:59] <dieman> i fudged the ubuntu mirror @cs.umn.edu
[04:59] <bob2> dcarpenter: int result = var1 - var2;
[04:59] <dieman> its currently resyncing
[04:59] <Jeffrae> I read up and saw that a newer version of GhostScript takes care of this
[04:59] <bob2> dieman: hah
[04:59] <dieman> typoed an rsync to ubuntu as 'ubuntu-releases'
[05:00] <dieman> it happily, from cron, deleted the entire tree
[05:00] <dcarpenter> so result would be my new variable
[05:00] <bob2> Jeffrae: unless it's a very serious bug, it's unlikely to be changed before breezy
[05:00] <bob2> kbrooks: hm?
[05:00] <dieman> and put cd images in their place
[05:00] <kbrooks> and i ***need*** a backup program for linux
[05:00] <jedediah> rsync?
[05:00] <jedediah> >:)
[05:00] <bob2> kbrooks: I use rsync to my desktop
[05:00] <Jeffrae> k
[05:00] <Jeffrae> I have Breezy
[05:00] <bob2> joeyh seems to love duplicity, too
[05:00] <Jeffrae> the prerelease stuff
[05:00] <dcarpenter> in my case it would be 'double x = pointQy - pointQx;
[05:00] <dieman> duplicity is neat
[05:00] <kbrooks> bob2: explain how you use it?
[05:00] <Jeffrae> The GhostScript is still 7
[05:00] <Jeffrae> oh well
[05:00] <bob2> the program, not the betrayal thing
[05:01] <dieman> lots of faculty members at work use unison
[05:01] <bob2> dcarpenter: ok
[05:01] <dcarpenter> th
[05:01] <Jeffrae> Someday :)
[05:01] <dcarpenter> thx
[05:01] <Rev-Marc> Can anyone tell me where to get a good "sources.list" ?as mine seems to have gotten out of wack
[05:01] <Ashen> Error "Read only file sysem" creating new folder <--- *cough* in home directory.
[05:01] <bob2> dieman: I know people who use that to sync Eudora mailspools
[05:01] <Ashen> help! ;P
[05:01] <bob2> Rev-Marc: "out of whack"?
[05:01] <dieman>   eth0:   61.79 Mb/s In    14.64 Mb/s Out -   5652.9 p/s In    3449.0 p/s Out
[05:01] <bob2> Ashen: read "dmesg"'s output
[05:01] <dieman> bob2: creepy
[05:01] <Jeffrae> will evolution connect to an echange server?
[05:01] <TedLemon> oh, I'm being stupid - I just don't have the right dev libs installed.
[05:01] <bimberi> ubotu tell Rev-Marc about repositories
[05:01] <dieman> 60mbps from heanet.it should help get this back in order
[05:02] <jedediah> Jeffrae, With an exchange connector, yes
[05:02] <Jeffrae> ok
[05:02] <tritium> Jeffrae, if outlook-web-access is enabled on that exchange server
[05:02] <bob2> dieman: they trust a random bizarro reimplementation of rsync in a functional language, but not imap
[05:02] <eythian> kbrooks, the usual way to do such things in UNIX-like systems is to build yourself a custom one out of the tools provided. As such, there are really just a lot of handy tools that do one thing, like rsync and tar.
[05:02] <Rev-Marc> it was working 2 nights ago but now I get errors or something
[05:02] <bimberi> Rev-Marc: some sample sources.lists in that mst from ubotu :)
[05:02] <bob2> TedLemon: the command I gave will install them
[05:02] <dieman> bob2: haha
[05:02] <dieman> bob2: yeah
[05:02] <Jeffrae> exchange connector is not open source I beleive
[05:02] <Jeffrae> right?
[05:02] <bob2> Jeffrae: it is
[05:02] <Jeffrae> really?
[05:02] <dieman> bob2: i just know unison breaks protocol every minor revision
[05:02] <Ashen> bob2: ah... kewll "[4350915.804000]  EXT3-fs error (device hda2): ext3_get_inode_loc: unable to read inode block - inode=1553549, block=3112968
[05:02] <Ashen> " looks like my hdd is aboot to esplode.
[05:02] <Jeffrae> at on time it was not I thought
[05:03] <josh43> Does anyone have wxvlc 0.8.2 compiled for a64?
[05:03] <bob2> Ashen: could be overheating or loose/dusty cables, too
[05:03] <dmlinux> _jason i updated my repos and i cant install totem-xine
[05:03] <bob2> dieman: hah, awesome
[05:03] <dieman> http://www.hea.net/ <-- whowa! nifty photo.
[05:03] <Ashen> bob2: overheating maybe... what about power problems?
[05:03] <_jason|sleep> dmlinux:  you can't find the package?
[05:03] <dieman> s/photo/diagram/
[05:03] <bob2> Ashen: could be
[05:03] <dieman> bob2: yeah, the heanet servers are nice.
[05:04] <bob2> that javascript scares me
[05:04] <dmlinux> _jason it says broken packages
[05:04] <Jeffrae> I already have "Client Access for ibm i5 OS /iseries"  with an exchange client I could use Ubuntu at work!!
[05:04] <winner> does anyone know
[05:04] <Ashen> bob2: can I just remount / instead of resetting?
[05:04] <winner> how i can change mouse cursors
[05:04] <dieman> crazy, heanet only has like 3x the students we do for their network
[05:04] <Rev-Marc> I know scripture but I don't know "mst"
[05:04] <dieman> but i guess merit is way cooler too
[05:04] <bob2> winner: system -> preferences -> mouse, or whatever
[05:04] <dieman> and they have a pile of more students
[05:04] <_jason|sleep> dmlinux:  which ones are broken?
[05:04] <TedLemon> bob2:handy, thanks!
[05:04] <winner> bob2: thanks. do you know any nice cursor sets?
[05:04] <bob2> dieman: merit has mroe hot nanog love
[05:04] <bob2> winner: I like the default
[05:05] <dmlinux> SORRY FOR PASTING
[05:05] <dmlinux> _jason The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:05] <dmlinux>   totem-xine: Depends: dbus-1 (>= 0.23.4) but it is not going to be installed
[05:05] <dmlinux>               Depends: libhal0 (>= 0.4.0) but it is not going to be installed
[05:05] <dmlinux>               Depends: libnautilus-burn1 but it is not going to be installed
[05:05] <winner> bob2: the reason why i want to change is because for some reason, my "move window" cursor appears as a block of white pixels, sometimes a mutilated image, etc.
[05:05] <bob2> dmlinux: seriously, dude
[05:05] <propagandhi> Jeffrae: doesnt evolution have the ability to connect to exchange now
[05:05] <dmlinux> can i get that pasting url
[05:05] <_jason> !paste
[05:05] <ubotu> paste is, like, totally, please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[05:05] <jedediah> dmlinux, its in the topic
[05:05] <bob2> winner: that sounds like something worth fixing instead of working around
[05:05] <kevogod> propagandhi, Yes, but I can tell you it is not that good.
[05:05] <bob2> dmlinux: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[05:05] <dmlinux> i have no titel :)
[05:05] <bryan___> Hey this may be a newb question, but i've been having a lot of problems finding a solution on forums and google... but i've been having a lot of problems getting my wg511t working on my presario r3000
[05:06] <Jeffrae> hmm
[05:06] <winner> bob2: well, how would i fix it? :)
[05:06] <Jeffrae> I thought so
[05:06] <jedediah> dmlinux, type '/topic'
[05:06] <Jeffrae> I should look again
[05:06] <jedediah> :)
[05:06] <bob2> winner: sounds like a bug in X, assuming you didn't overwrite the files yourself
[05:06] <jedediah> dmlinux, just giving you a hard time ;)
[05:06] <kevogod> Jeffrae, Although, your experience with Exchange and Evolution may be different from mine.
[05:06] <winner> bob2: to be honest, this has appeared ever since i first installed ubuntu.
[05:07] <bryan___> I've got the bus to work usin the setpci command... lspci sees my card but it doesn't show up in iwconfig
[05:07] <bob2> winner: definitely worth filing a bug about then
[05:07] <Jeffrae> Jeffrae
[05:07] <Rev-Marc> I know scripture but I don't know "mst"
[05:07] <Jeffrae> wanted to see something
[05:07] <dmlinux> jebediah i know, people need to calm down  though :P
[05:07] <bob2> bryan___: lspci will see anything physically connected to the PCI bus
[05:07] <dmlinux> jebediah its not like tons of people paste all day
[05:07] <bryan___> I've tried auditor and i've got it working there... anyone?
[05:07] <bob2> bryan___: what does dmesg say?
[05:07] <jvai> how i do evolution @ work.. is thru POP, & i use the the host IP addy, same for the printr, it works every time,
[05:07] <kbrooks> How do I mail root?
[05:07] <bryan___> um i'm pretty new at this
[05:07] <Jeffrae> I know this is sounding dumb, but I think X-Chat higlights lines that are adressed to me!
[05:07] <kbrooks> msg | mail root ?
[05:07] <winner> bob2: how would i go into doing so?
[05:07] <kbrooks> Jeffrae: by design
[05:07] <bob2> winner: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[05:07] <VIal> hola
[05:08] <josh43> Jeffrae: It highlights them based on having your nick in the line
[05:08] <bryan___> dmesg would give me like the hal_ath0
[05:08] <bryan___> stuff right?
[05:08] <bob2> kbrooks: echo blah | mail -ssubject 3oot@localhost
[05:08] <bryan___> i don't get a hal 13
[05:08] <Jeffrae> yeah
[05:08] <VIal> nesesito ayuya en ubuntu
[05:08] <Jeffrae> That is what I thought
[05:08] <bob2> bryan___: it would tell you what is actually going on with your card, yes
[05:08] <Jeffrae> that kicks botie!
[05:08] <Jeffrae> bootie!
[05:08] <josh43> one of the many things I like about xchat :)
[05:08] <bryan___> let me run that real quick
[05:08] <winner> bob2: thanks, good looking out.
[05:08] <bryan___> ath_hal: module license 'Proprietary' taints kernel.
[05:08] <bryan___> ath_hal: <IP_ADDRESS> (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212)
[05:09] <propagandhi> Opera 8.5 has an excellent IRC client now too but i dont think gnome users can use opera 8.5 well
[05:09] <durt> opera is fine with gnome
[05:09] <_jason> dmlinux:  are you using breezy or hoary?
[05:09] <Jeffrae> Chatzilla better then X-Chat?
[05:09] <bryan___> It would give me hal 13 or something if there was a driver problem right?
[05:09] <dmlinux> _jason breezy
[05:09] <Jeffrae> or is it a matter of opinion?
[05:09] <Jeffrae> hehe
[05:09] <winner> one more thing, bob2, do you happen to know how to change irssi's notification (you know, when someone says your name in channel) from bold to like red or something?
[05:09] <anethema> dohh! zsnes wont compile now under breezy! god damnit
[05:09] <_jason> dmlinux:  ok you added repos for hoary
[05:09] <josh43> bryan___: Hal 2000, not 13 ;)
[05:09] <tritium> anethema, language please
[05:09] <anethema> and apt has an old version that no one else uses
[05:09] <anethema> sorry tritium
[05:09] <dmlinux> _jason .. are there equivilents for breezy hehe...
[05:10] <_jason> dmlinux:  the wiki sites are still setup for hoary
[05:10] <nalioth> language please
[05:10] <anethema> oh wait i didnt swear
[05:10] <bob2> winner: /hilight -color whatever nickname
[05:10] <bob2> anethema: does Debian have the newer version?
[05:10] <_jason> dmlinux:  first get rid of the hoary stuff you put in there
[05:10] <winner> bob2: ah damn. whats "whatever nickname"
[05:10] <dieman> http://www.hea.net/mrtg/geant.html <-- hah, its nice to make notches in peoples network graphs
[05:10] <TedLemon> bob2: for some reason when I ask apt-get to do that, it insists that it wants to deinstall skype.
[05:10] <anethema> uhhh no idea..how do i check
[05:10] <bryan___> ok well i figured it was some number... I wasn't very close hah... but should it work from what dmesg says?
[05:10] <mylastmorning> can someone help me get a windows game working?
[05:10] <bob2> winner: whatever = whatever color, nickname = your nickname...
[05:10] <dieman> if only i had GigE on that machine
[05:10] <bob2> mylastmorning: #cedega, probably
[05:11] <dieman> and faster hard drives
[05:11] <dmlinux> _jason done
[05:11] <bob2> bryan___: it's easier if you show us more lines in #flood
[05:11] <bryan___> ok
[05:11] <bob2> dieman: if your bottleneck is lack of gige and scsi-320, you're doing pretty well
[05:11] <mylastmorning> bob2, can you help me?
[05:11] <dieman> bob2: yeah
[05:12] <_jason> dmlinux:  ok I was able to isntall totem-xine without adding any extra stuff so go ahead and try to install totem-xine package through synaptic... first run: sudo apt-get update
[05:12] <dieman> bob2: ive got gigE switchports
[05:12] <bob2> mylastmorning: if you're using cedega, #cedega
[05:12] <winner> bob2: thanks
[05:12] <dieman> bob2: just need to get a card sometime
[05:12] <mylastmorning> what is cedega?
[05:12] <winner> someone say my name please
[05:12] <anethema> the thing is, hoary built it fine
[05:12] <dmlinux> _jason doing that now
[05:12] <mylastmorning> what is cedega? bob2?
[05:12] <anethema> is it the new gcc messing stuff up ?
[05:12] <josh43> dieman: they are only about $0 now
[05:12] <anethema> any idea bob2 ?
[05:12] <dmlinux> _jason says broken packages
[05:12] <josh43> dieman: $40
[05:12] <bob2> mylastmorning: what are you trying to run?
[05:12] <dieman> josh43: yeah, i guess.
[05:12] <mylastmorning> Ragnarok Online bob2.
[05:12] <bob2> anethema: more likely the code in zsnes is broken
[05:12] <dieman> i should get work to buy one
[05:13] <bob2> mylastmorning: appdb.codeweavers.com
[05:13] <dieman> since tis a work box, etc ;)
[05:13] <dmlinux> _jason http://rafb.net/paste/results/BwDE6u17.html
[05:13] <winner> mylastmorning: you're trying to run RO off Linux?
[05:13] <mylastmorning> yes winner.
[05:13] <josh43> dieman: you just need to justify it to the boss, then ;) "I could get work 3% faster with a gigE"
[05:13] <dieman> josh43: heh
[05:13] <bob2> dieman: does work know about the debian mirror?
[05:13] <dieman> i've got gige on my desktop already
[05:14] <dieman> bob2: hah, yes.
[05:14] <Rev-Marc> someone a few minutes ago recomended installing "gsynaptics" but I can not find it to install any help is greatly appreciated
[05:14] <dieman> bob2: thats debian owned hw, no less
[05:14] <dieman> bob2: sitting right in the middle of a rack
[05:14] <bob2> dieman: oh, rock
[05:14] <dieman> bob2: we also have a sourceforge mirrror on campus
[05:14] <httpdss> dmlinux: what dows your sources list say ??
[05:14] <bob2> dieman: oh, wait, half of ftp.d.o?
[05:14] <dieman> we're going to setup a general mirroring service soon
[05:14] <dieman> dieman@runabout:~$ host ftp.debian.org
[05:14] <dieman> ftp.debian.org has address <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:14] <durt> rev-marc: http://sourceforge.jp/projects/gsynaptics/files/
[05:15] <dieman> dieman@runabout:~$ host security.debian.org
[05:15] <dieman> security.debian.org has address <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:15] <dieman> security.debian.org has address <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:15] <dieman> security.debian.org has address <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:15] <dieman> bob2: and a third of security now
[05:15] <bob2> hm, I thought ftp.d.o was round-robin'd
[05:15] <dmlinux> _jason http://rafb.net/paste/results/Ki2PdF89.html
[05:15] <dieman> bob2: it was
[05:15] <mylastmorning> bob2, how do I do this?
[05:15] <_jason> dmlinux:  that is strange.  I do not have any of those packages isntalled yet I have totem-xine
[05:15] <winner> mylastmorning: any reasons why?
[05:15] <bob2> mylastmorning: did you read that website or not?
[05:15] <dieman> bob2: until they had to move it to HP from above.net
[05:15] <dieman> bob2: or something
[05:15] <dieman> bob2: im not part of d-a, or anything
[05:15] <dmlinux> dm@dmlinux:~$ sudo apt-get install totem-xine gstreamer0.8-misc gstreamer0.8-plugins
[05:16] <bob2> dieman: oh, right
[05:16] <N17R0> Hi can I remove gcc-3.3 and gcc-3.4 when I have already gcc-4.0 installed ? Or would this give problems when compiling new apps?
[05:16] <_jason> dmlinux:  is that your current sources.list?
[05:16] <dmlinux> _jason yes
[05:16] <dieman> bob2: saens is doing only like 80mbps right now
[05:16] <tritium> dieman, which campus?
[05:16] <dieman> bob2: sometimes its doing 150ish, like this morning
[05:16] <_jason> dmlinux:  it still has hoary repos in there
[05:16] <dmlinux> _ im trying to get MP3 playback :(
[05:16] <Rev-Marc> Thank You DURT
[05:16] <dieman> tritium: university of minnesota, twin cities
[05:16] <dieman> tritium: why?
[05:16] <dieman> tritium: you in the area?
[05:16] <dmlinux> _jason  i know but thats what ive been using
[05:16] <tritium> dieman, just curious.  No, not at all ;)
[05:17] <dieman> tritium: ahh, ok :)
[05:17] <_jason> I don't think you should be using hoary repos with breezy
[05:17] <bob2> dmlinux: what does that have to do with totem?
[05:17] <dieman> really the only thing holding up the 'general' mirror service is time
[05:17] <httpdss> dmlinux .. you are using mixed versions ..
[05:17] <dieman> we've got hw now
[05:17] <dieman> and disk
[05:17] <dieman> just need to set it up
[05:17] <bob2> dmlinux: and mixing hoary and breezy is silly and pointless, get rid of them
[05:17] <dmlinux> God gamn you ubuntu guide !
[05:17] <mylastmorning> winner, because I want to play it.... do you know how to run it?
[05:17] <anethema> ok even with the packaged zsnes right now
[05:17] <mylastmorning> bob2, yes I did. they're asking me to pay.
[05:17] <tritium> dmlinux, language please
[05:17] <anethema> i am getting this error: Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed)
[05:18] <anethema> any idea why anyone ?
[05:18] <_jason> dmlinux:  I can send you my sources.list if you'd like and you can back that one up
[05:18] <N17R0> Hi can I remove gcc-3.3 and gcc-3.4 when I have already gcc-4.0 installed ? Or would this give problems when compiling new apps?
[05:18] <bob2> mylastmorning: no
[05:18] <dmlinux> _jason please !
[05:18] <dieman> bob2: i did test xfers from the debian mirror to another machine on campus
[05:18] <bettong_BOFH> bob2 why is the room blocked to tor users?
[05:18] <dieman> bob2: got it up to 780mbps+
[05:18] <bob2> mylastmorning: read it again and find out if your game will run on wine or not
[05:18] <dieman> i need to find someone off campus to beat the crap out of it
[05:18] <dieman> sometime
[05:18] <dieman> to see whats the bottleneck
[05:18] <bob2> bettong_BOFH: due to massive abuse and the fact I can see little point for using tor to come here
[05:18] <mylastmorning> it says that they haven't tested it.
[05:18] <httpdss> dmlinux: just change where it say hoary to breezy ..
[05:18] <mylastmorning> it says that they haven't tested it. bob2
[05:18] <winner> mylastmorning: not sure if its possible or not. i've seen a .exe made for linux somewhere in the eathena forums before.
[05:18] <bettong_BOFH> oh ok
[05:18] <bob2> dieman: holy bajeesus
[05:19] <winner> mylastmorning: never got around to running it though.
[05:19] <bob2> anethema: sounds like the game is broken
[05:19] <anethema> doh
[05:19] <anethema> worked fine before breezy
[05:19] <bob2> N17R0: yes, you can remove them if you don't need them
[05:19] <httpdss> dmlinux: the ubuntu wiki can help
[05:19] <dieman> bob2: i was surprised the desktop box could handle all those packets coming in
[05:19] <N17R0> ok ty
[05:19] <bettong_BOFH> i just found out about it lol and was surprised that something to block someones privacy was banned
[05:19] <bettong_BOFH> lol
[05:19] <dieman> bob2: i *was* telling it to send em to /dev/null though ;)
[05:19] <bob2> bettong_BOFH: it's not about "block someones privacy"
[05:19] <nalioth> bettong_BOFH: dont start anything
[05:19] <nomasteryoda> dieman, funny how Linux can do real multitasking huh?
[05:19] <_jason> dmlinux:  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2836
[05:19] <bob2> dieman: hah, I was gonna ask how fat your disks were
[05:20] <bob2> dmlinux: you don't seem to be asking very specific questions
[05:20] <bettong_BOFH> ok cool
[05:20] <mylastmorning> winner, where is the linux.exe?
[05:21] <dmlinux> bob2 thats because im doing 50 things at once :)
[05:21] <dmlinux> bob2, love the linux, so much faster than XP
[05:21] <winner> okay. damn. anyone know why bold fonts aren't working on xterm? i'm using 'Andale Mono' as the font, sized 10.
[05:22] <bob2> winner: everything hilighted here is bold
[05:22] <bob2> ie xterm appears to have bold issues
[05:22] <N17R0> I just upgraded to Breezy, I must say its verry nice, but u knew that already. But is it true that Breezy have a new wallpaper? Or is my wallpaper screwed up or something?
[05:22] <winner> bob2: yeah, thats why i was trying to turn bold types into color
[05:22] <dmlinux> _jason that worked thanks man !
[05:22] <_jason> dmlinux:  no problem
[05:23] <dmlinux> _jason i lost that wiki site with the instructions for installing mp3playback
[05:23] <josh43> N17RO: Breezy has new wallpaper, but your user settings would override if you set one already.. just go into the chooser and choose the new one
[05:23] <_jason> !tell dmlinux about restricted
[05:23] <anethema> ok bob2 i found the problem
[05:23] <anethema> before in hoary
[05:23] <_jason> dmlinux just remember that that site is for hoary
[05:24] <anethema> when somehting couldnt get sound, it would just not play any sound
[05:24] <dmlinux> _jason thanks alot for your help man
[05:24] <anethema> but now, it segfault's
[05:24] <_jason> dmlinux:  anytime... good night
[05:24] <bob2> yay SDL
[05:24] <anethema> ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:802:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[05:24] <anethema> Segmentation fault
[05:24] <N17R0> ohh ok josh43 thx, but the old hoary wallpaper somewhere on the net? Cos I liked that one also
[05:24] <josh43> lol, why have I never used tab completion of irc names... sometimes I find things and say Doh
[05:24] <bob2> heh
[05:25] <josh43> N17R0, I bet it is.. infact, I dont think it would have deleted it
[05:25] <bob2> think of all the wasted keypresses over the years
[05:25] <lakin> nm-applet freezes just as it asks for the encryption key.  The dialog never even gets fully displayed it just displays a blank dialog with window bar, and the applet icon freezes.  I'm running Breezy which was just upgraded to latest today.  It's never worked since I started using breezy a few weeks ago, any ideas?
[05:25] <josh43> bob2, Exactly
[05:25] <maxkelley> hmm
[05:25] <bob2> tho, I knew about tab-completion, and it just means I spend more keypresses on other things
[05:25] <bob2> lakin: does setting a key manually work?
[05:26] <N17R0> josh43 well it looks like breezy upgrade killed the old wallpapers, cos I dont have it anymore
[05:26] <josh43> bob2, That's always the case.. once you optimize; something else 'rises to meet the challenge'
[05:26] <josh43> N17R0, Look on art.gnome.org , or ubuntu.com
[05:26] <dmlinux> WOOT my totem works now !!!!
[05:26] <N17R0> ok thx
[05:26] <DavidLeeRoth> hey you guys
[05:26] <kbrooks> hey, just a question
[05:27] <kbrooks> how can i make windows hidden? ;)
[05:27] <Hoodman> I need help finding programs for ubuntu, and how to install them?
[05:27] <lakin> bob2, I haven't tried using it with it's connection manager.  I was just hoping for it to autodetect local networks(works) and then let me use them(doesn't work).  I would try to manually setup a network, but the only one I have local access to uses WPA and the preferences dialog didn't have an option for that last I checked.
[05:27] <DavidLeeRoth> rm -r -f bloatware
[05:27] <josh43> kbrooks, In what way?
[05:27] <Jeffrae> I know this is a long shot, but can a windows printer driver work with linux.. I am like 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% no, but I have seen wierder things.....
[05:27] <Jeffrae> weirder
[05:27] <josh43> Jeffrae, You would have to do some fun acrobatics
[05:28] <durt> jeffrae, use a linux driver
[05:28] <tristanmike> Jeffrae, keyboard stuck?
[05:28] <kbrooks> josh43: and btw, if u got the impression i have windows i dont
[05:28] <Jeffrae> no
[05:28] <bimberi> ubotu gell Hoodman about synaptic
[05:28] <ubotu> bimberi: What?
[05:28] <DavidLeeRoth> jeffrae, can you find the source to the driver (dumb question i know).
[05:28] <Jeffrae> not stuk :)
[05:28] <bimberi> ubotu tell Hoodman about synaptic
[05:28] <bimberi> D'Oh
[05:28] <Jeffrae> nope I could not
[05:28] <Jeffrae> and I can't find a linux driver
[05:28] <kbrooks> josh43: in the ... well
[05:28] <bob2> lakin: "connection manager"? I meant, "does it work if yo uset the key up manually with iwconfig/wpa_supplicant?"
[05:28] <Jeffrae> PCL is almost great, but not good enough hehehe
[05:28] <josh43> kbrooks, lol, be more specific.. I assume you are saying you want to hide windows that are on the screen so that noone else can see them, and that you do not have MS windows
[05:28] <lakin> bob2, yes
[05:29] <kbrooks> essentially i want to make windows transparent
[05:29] <durt> jeffrae, often a driver for a certain printer will work with other models
[05:29] <bob2> kbrooks: install transset
[05:29] <Jeffrae> I know
[05:29] <Jeffrae> but I couldn't find a good match for mine
[05:29] <lakin> bob2, Re: connection manager, I err meant that I hadn't tried using nm-applet through manually setting up the network.
[05:29] <josh43> kbrooks, Ahh, transparent is another thing altogether.. apps can do it themselves, but I don't know how to make it if they never meant it to be transparent (xchat backgrounds do it, for example
[05:29] <durt> whats yours jeffrae?
[05:29] <josh43> )
[05:30] <DavidLeeRoth> Jeffrae, i recommend taking what ever youneed to print in linux and turning it into a pdf file and printing off windows
[05:30] <Jeffrae> Don't laugh.. I got it for free but it prints like a charm...  Dell 3000cb
[05:30] <winner> bob2: hilight only hilights the chan window number. im looking for something that would hilight the text in the channel, since bold isn't working.
[05:30] <lakin> josh43: there a few new extensions that allow you to do that.  Search google for xorg translucency
[05:30] <Jeffrae> 3000cn
[05:30] <Jeffrae> That is what I am doing now David :)
[05:30] <bob2> winner: it hilights the text, too
[05:30] <DavidLeeRoth> Jeffrae call me Diamond Dave ;)
[05:30] <bob2> winner: the text you just said in here is red, for instance
[05:31] <josh43> lakin; I doubt they would work for me, tho kbrooks might enjoy that (debian hates my mobo/cpu/graphic card combo)
[05:31] <anethema> is there a way to make programs NOT segfault when they cant steal audio? dosbox is doing it too
[05:31] <bimberi> lol Jeffrae
[05:31] <anethema> nothing used to do this before breezy, euain!
[05:31] <Jeffrae> Diamond Dave.. That is a good resturant in Milwaukee, WI
[05:31] <Jeffrae> hahaah
[05:31] <DavidLeeRoth> heh
[05:31] <winner> bob2: you see my hilights?
[05:31] <DavidLeeRoth> i hate my printer, its a lexmark x5150 and there is no hope for a driver on linux ;(
[05:32] <DavidLeeRoth> thats why every time i have to print something i have to reboot
[05:32] <DavidLeeRoth> thats the only reason i even have windows
[05:32] <Jeffrae> David Lee Roth is cool though...   I have set my client up such that whole lines mentioning my nick are red, tho, including your nick
[05:35] <winner> bob2: ah, yes. what is the line that you used to do that?
[05:35] <durt> jeffrae, i suggest you try to find out what printer model the dell one is based on and use the corresponding driver
[05:35] <anethema> im just wondering why apps are all the sudden segfaulting when they cant get audio
[05:35] <josh43> Jeffrae, Try typing the first 2 letters of thier name and press TAB
[05:35] <Xenguy> josh43: dmesg
[05:36] <winner> bob2: i had that functionality when i was using the gnome terminal, but i guess xterm just doesn't bold. the gnome terminal used to hilight the line and bold my name whenever someone mentions it.
[05:36] <gefbals> good day to all!
[05:36] <DavidLeeRoth> hey
[05:36] <bob2> winner: that's a xterm bug if it works in g-t
[05:36] <Jeffrae> josh43, Awsome!!!
[05:36] <DavidLeeRoth> Jeffrae you found your driver?
[05:36] <josh43> Xenguy, +10 :)
[05:36] <Jeffrae> no
[05:36] <DavidLeeRoth> o:(
[05:36] <e-sin> in the console, how do you work a file with spaces?  like to copy it for example.
[05:36] <DavidLeeRoth> drag and drp the file e-sin
[05:37] <josh43> Jeffrae, I know - I just found that 10min ago by accident. lol
[05:37] <bob2> e-sin: cp "I have spaces" bar
[05:37] <DavidLeeRoth> or put quotations around the file
[05:37] <Jeffrae> I do know wha this dell is under the sheets
[05:37] <e-sin> thanx bob2
[05:37] <Jeffrae> But I can't find those drivers either
[05:37] <Xenguy> josh43: yw
[05:37] <Jeffrae> it is a Xerox
[05:37] <maxmouse> would anyone happen to know why unreal tournament 2004 works fine on my radeon, yet wolfenstein enemy territory doesnt start up ?
[05:37] <DavidLeeRoth> Like "X CHAT is cool.deb"
[05:37] <winner> bob2: yeah its an xterm issue.
[05:38] <DavidLeeRoth> e-sin that works with windows as well if you are interested :)
[05:38] <winner> bob2: what xterm alt would you recommend?
[05:38] <gefbals> can anyone help me how to update my ubuntu version 5.04 to 5.10 using only the cd installation without reformatting my pc
[05:38] <Jeffrae> The Dell 3000cn is a Fuji Xerox Docuprint C525A
[05:38] <regeya> or
[05:38] <dieman> Jeffrae: wtf?
[05:38] <bob2> winner: I'd recommend filing a bug so xterm can be fixed
[05:38] <lakin> And how the hell to I get rid of nm-applet.  I even kill -9'ed it and it still happily restarts itself.
[05:38] <durt> jeffrae: http://www.mit.edu/~jik/3000cn/, note the line about useing the hp laserjet 5500 driver
[05:38] <bob2> I'm using xterm but are increasinly annoyed with it
[05:38] <bob2> gefbals: insert CD. follow instructions. wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes
[05:38] <Jeffrae> durt, I looked there
[05:39] <Jeffrae> durt, I also emailed him.. He told me I need to upgrade my Ghostscript to use his patches
[05:39] <winner> bob2: where? ubuntu bugzilla?
[05:39] <nalioth> lakin: rename it
[05:39] <bob2> winner: yes
[05:40] <Jeffrae> dieman, wtf?  What??   These ones are Fuji Xerox....
[05:40] <lakin> nalioth: good call, I have no idea why I didn't think of that.  Last time I just uninstalled it. :)  But I'm filing some bugs.
[05:40] <dieman> Jeffrae: are all of them now?
[05:40] <DavidLeeRoth> I have a lexmark.  it requires a 40 meg driver on windows, so pretty much all hope of a driver on linux is gone :(
[05:40] <Jeffrae> dieman, Not all Lexmarks are crap.. I use Lexmarks with my IBM iSeries!!!
[05:41] <DavidLeeRoth> lexmark x5150 is pretty good for my needs
[05:41] <Jeffrae> dieman, I am not sure dude..  I think the Ink Jets are Lexmarks still
[05:41] <TylerDurden> hey can someone help me? i cant get xserver (or xorg) to work after boot
[05:41] <DavidLeeRoth> its an ink hog though
[05:41] <TylerDurden> libglcore..blahblah no symbols (says that a lot of times)
[05:41] <TylerDurden> No matching device section (busid pci:2:10:0) found
[05:41] <KRomeleoN> are there amy ubuntu sys requirements?
[05:41] <justeco> I'm under the impression epson is fairly easy to support.
[05:41] <durt> jeffrae: so, have you done all the patching and stuff?
[05:41] <Jeffrae> durt, no
[05:41] <DavidLeeRoth> tyler, does it say anything about locales?
[05:41] <gefbals> can anyone help me how to update my ubuntu version 5.04 to 5.10 using only the cd installation without reformatting my pc
[05:42] <TylerDurden> uhh im not sure, im in windows right now
[05:42] <Jeffrae> durt, He told me to upgrade my GS before patching
[05:42] <TylerDurden> i dont think it can find my radeon
[05:42] <KRomeleoN> i just received a dual p3 600mhz and was wondering how ubuntu would run on it
[05:42] <gefbals> can anyone help me how to update my ubuntu version 5.04 to 5.10 using only the cd installation without reformatting my pc or an internet update?
[05:42] <DavidLeeRoth> RTFM when it comes to breezy upgrads
[05:42] <Jeffrae> durt, he said that his patches were done to fedora and that fedora has a newer release of GS
[05:42] <josh43> gefbals, You had this answered.. dont paste questions that you dont want to solve
[05:43] <durt> jeffrae, well then upgrade ghostscript
[05:43] <Jeffrae> I tried
[05:43] <DavidLeeRoth> tyler, you might want to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:43] <TylerDurden> i did that
[05:43] <Jeffrae> durt, I couldn't get it to work with my printing again
[05:43] <DavidLeeRoth> did you pick a generic driver?
[05:43] <TylerDurden> it seems to always try to default it to my onboard, which is disabled
[05:43] <gefbals> DavidLeeRoth : what's an RTFM when it comes to breezy upgrade?
[05:43] <TylerDurden> no i picked ati, i think the busid might be incorrect
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> hey, do the fglrx drivers work with Radeon Mobility 7500?
[05:44] <DavidLeeRoth> tyler, in most cases, leaving the busid blank works
[05:44] <josh43> gefbals, "Read The F@cking Manual"
[05:44] <KRomeleoN> i wwas wondering if a live cd would gfive a god idea of how the system will run when actually installed?
[05:45] <TylerDurden> ok thanks david ill go try that
[05:45] <josh43> KRomeleoN, Mostly, yes.. getting to the same state as a livecd can be a bit of an adventure, but you get about 90% when you install to the HD
[05:45] <DavidLeeRoth> What radeon do you have btw?  I was thinking of buying a 9600xt sapphire
[05:45] <DavidLeeRoth> are they any good?
[05:45] <TylerDurden> me? i have a 9200
[05:45] <DavidLeeRoth> i have always had radeon integrated gfx on my laptops.
[05:45] <DavidLeeRoth> are you satisfied with it?
[05:45] <TylerDurden> i guess, its not top of the line of course
[05:46] <TylerDurden> i have a celeron 2.5 768 ram and it works fairly well
[05:46] <DavidLeeRoth> i mean its only 100 bucks and it has 256 mb memory and pretty good specs for 100 bucks
[05:46] <nomasteryoda> DavidLeeRoth, this is a laptop... ATI stinks for most part...
[05:46] <TylerDurden> well mine has 128
[05:46] <TylerDurden> and its pci
[05:46] <DavidLeeRoth> mine will be AGP
[05:46] <KRomeleoN> should i not even bother installing on a dual p3 600mhz?
[05:46] <KRomeleoN> orwill it be gay?
[05:47] <DavidLeeRoth> Kromeloen, how much memory do you have?"
[05:47] <pi> does anybody know how i can revert to old gtk theme settings after installing gtk2-engines-gtk-qt?
[05:47] <KRomeleoN> i think its 256
[05:47] <KRomeleoN> its anm old server
[05:47] <nomasteryoda> KRomeleoN, that should work well
[05:47] <DavidLeeRoth> well, i am running ubuntu full time on an old celery 1ghz with 128 meg, and its pretty good
[05:47] <DavidLeeRoth> if you arelooking for speed i would look at gentoo
[05:47] <ubuntu> divx
[05:47] <durt> or slackware
[05:48] <josh43> KRomeleoN, well worth the livecd at least.. you may not like the defaults, but linux ran 110% on my 800mhz w/96MB of ram :)
[05:49] <josh43> Is it advisable to recompile my kernel in breezy if I need to?
[05:49] <auk> is usign apt-get dist-upgrade safe now?
[05:50] <josh43> auk: there are still fairly major daily upgrades.. I'd wait the week :)
[05:50] <aurax> is there linux based inventory app ?
[05:50] <malv> anyone else get weird alsactl errors on boot?
[05:50] <auk> josh43: :(
[05:50] <DavidLeeRoth> auk, why dont you just apt-get update dist-upgrade?
[05:50] <josh43> auk, Hey, I know.. I just formatted to run breezy.. I was impatient
[05:51] <DavidLeeRoth> you can always update/upgrade packages daily
[05:51] <auk> DavidLeeRoth: that's what i was saying.
[05:51] <ibthomson> anyone having problems with apt-get connecting to the repositories? apt-get update won't connect to anything in my sources.list
[05:51] <mylastmorning> does anyone know the root password of ubuntu?
[05:51] <auk> mylastmorning: you know it
[05:51] <josh43> !root
[05:51] <ubotu> I guess root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[05:51] <Amaranth> !root
[05:52] <nalioth> mylastmorning: /msg ubotu root
[05:52] <josh43> why isn't that a bot trigger? ;)
[05:52] <auk> mylastmorning: it is the password you entered on install
[05:52] <MadpilotPPC> josh43, it is... ubotu responded to you, too...
[05:52] <durt> auk: no it isnt
[05:52] <auk> durt: ?
[05:52] <nalioth> the bot is dead
[05:52] <nalioth> !test
[05:52] <ubotu> Crashed.
[05:52] <nalioth> yup
[05:52] <dangaio> Ok, I need help.  I have installed ubuntu on a laptop dual booting to windows.  how do I mount the windows partition so I can play my mp3s?
[05:52] <KRomeleoN> im getting a nero error with the .iso for x64 ubvuntu. it says the block size does not corrsespind  to image lengtg
[05:53] <josh43> MadpilotPPC, Or would have, eh? ;)
[05:53] <kbrooks> !test
[05:53] <durt> auk: there is no root password after the install, that is your user password
[05:53] <MadpilotPPC> !tell dangaio about mountwindows
[05:53] <auk> durt: w/ sudo...
[05:53] <josh43> MadpilotPPC, Bot=dead
[05:53] <auk> i know it's not actually the root account
[05:53] <MadpilotPPC> josh43, no he ain't, actually
[05:53] <MadpilotPPC> !tell josh43 about ubotu
[05:53] <dangaio> MadpilotPPC mountwindows?
[05:54] <auk> danagio: ...
[05:54] <josh43> MadpilotPPC, I havn't seen anything from it
[05:54] <MadpilotPPC> !+windowsdrives
[05:54] <ubotu> it has been said that windowsdrives is Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[05:54] <auk> !mountntfs
[05:54] <ubotu> auk: What?
[05:54] <durt> the user password goes with sudo
[05:54] <auk> !mountwindows
[05:54] <ubotu> auk: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[05:54] <dieman> christ
[05:54] <auk> !mount windows
[05:54] <ubotu> Wish i knew, auk
[05:54] <dieman> my laser printer is so old
[05:54] <auk> dang it
[05:54] <dieman> it doesn't have much of a 'sleep mode'
[05:54] <dieman> im finding that it might be worth it to just get a $80-90 laser printer
[05:54] <josh43> MadpilotPPC, Colour me wrong :)
[05:54] <budreefer> help i need help to get my usb support working in ubuntu
[05:55] <Amaranth> !ntfs
[05:55] <maxmouse> would anyone happen to know why unreal tournament 2004 works fine on my radeon, yet wolfenstein enemy territory doesnt start up ?
[05:55] <josh43> dangaio, here's the ubuntu way: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions?highlight=%28mount%29
[05:55] <Amaranth> hmm, too long to show in the channel
[05:55] <Amaranth> auk: /msg ubotu ntfs
[05:55] <auk> Amaranth: talk to danagio
[05:55] <Amaranth> dangaio: /msg ubotu ntfs
[05:56] <ibthomson> anyone having problems with apt-get connecting to the repositories? apt-get update won't connect to anything in my sources.list
[05:56] <auk> Amaranth, see MadPilot's message
[05:56] <bob2> ibthomson: surely you'd need to show it to us?
[05:56] <budreefer> anyone have any suggestions? it doesn't load on startup
 if you arelooking for speed i would look at gentoo <---it would run better on a dual p3 600mhz ?>
[05:58] <ibthomson> bob2, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2837 is my sources.list
[05:58] <KRomeleoN> than ubuntu?
[05:58] <Amaranth> budreefer: I can't find your question in my backlog, can you repeat it?
[05:58] <Amaranth> KRomeleoN: If you custom tune it and compile everything from source.
[05:58] <budreefer> i have no usb support in my ubuntu
[05:58] <budreefer> i want to get it into the startup
[05:58] <Amaranth> KRomeleoN: See you in a month when GNOME finishes compiling.
[05:58] <bob2> budreefer: don't be silly
[05:58] <budreefer> heh
[05:59] <KRomeleoN> hah
[05:59] <budreefer> ok lets start from the beginning then
[05:59] <budreefer> i must be doing something wrong
[05:59] <budreefer> i have a 7 os boot system
[05:59] <Amaranth> KRomeleoN: If you figure out how to make it all work, it's more of a distro for people who know what they are doing, or at least think they know.
[05:59] <budreefer> and ubuntu is #7 now
[05:59] <budreefer> so mebbe i didnt config the lilo correct
[05:59] <Amaranth> lilo? *shudder*
[05:59] <hondje> and not such a good desktop distro
[05:59] <budreefer> u prefer grub? or somethin else?
[06:00] <bob2> "you"
[06:00] <Amaranth> grub, yeah
[06:02] <budreefer> allrighty well anyways i have a /boot partition should i copy the ubuntu kernel file in there?
[06:02] <budreefer> or can i load it from the /dev/hda8
[06:03] <dreamwave> i've got a gtk app called aria (a download manager installed).  for some reason, it is using the default GTK theme.  how do i get it to use the same theme as the reset of gnome?
[06:03] <thompa> hey
[06:03] <tom__> Howdy
[06:04] <dreamwave> ho
[06:04] <budreefer> dunno sumthin is weird....ubuntu install just told me to use a root=/dev/hda8 in the boot param and kernel as /vmlinuz
[06:04] <budreefer> the root param is fine but the loader doesnt like /vmlinuz as kernel
[06:04] <dmlinux> Is there an apt-get for Limewire
[06:04] <thompa> just used ubuntu with a remote server. works real nice
[06:04] <bob2> dreamwave: are you running it as root?
[06:05] <thompa> not anymore
[06:05] <bob2> budreefer: you'd need to pick the real kernel image name
[06:05] <dreamwave> bob2, no
[06:05] <dmlinux> Is there an apt-get for Limewire
[06:05] <budreefer> yeah thats wat i thought bob....should i copy it to the /boot tho?
[06:05] <tritium> dmlinux, please don't repeat
[06:06] <gigaclon> dmlinux, search synaptic
[06:06] <bob2> budreefer: this plan seems broken
[06:06] <KRomeleoN> do the live cds also contain the installation?
[06:06] <thompa> funny my notebook buts with edukde now, or something like that
[06:06] <gigaclon> KRomeleoN, no
[06:06] <bob2> budreefer: just point lilo at the right image file
[06:06] <thompa> boots
[06:06] <thompa> logo only
[06:06] <gigaclon> KRomeleoN, only the DVD contains both Live and Installation Images
[06:06] <dreamwave> bob2, i've only been running ubuntu for a few days (5.10) so it's still pretty much a vanilla install.
[06:07] <josh43> Ok, what is the best multi-threaded newsgroup reader for linux?
[06:07] <nalioth> josh43: dunno best, but pan works good
[06:07] <KRomeleoN> ou don't have permission to access /5.10/ubuntu-5.10-rc-dvd-amd64.iso on this server.
[06:07] <thompa> in kde is one
[06:07] <KRomeleoN> i cant find the live dvds
[06:08] <gigaclon> you should just get the live CD
[06:08] <josh43> KRomeleoN, Give it 7 days, or go with the cd offer
[06:08] <thrice`> ok, figured out the fglrx issue :)
[06:09] <josh43> thrice`, What issue? what fixed it? do you have hardware 3d now?
[06:09] <thompa> josh43: kmail
[06:09] <noe1> hi!
[06:09] <gigaclon> hii
[06:10] <noe1> im looking for MHZ
[06:10] <josh43> thompa, That looks like a standard "read newsgroups for the conversations" type client
[06:10] <TedLemon> thompa, you're having problems with kmail?
[06:10] <nalioth> josh43: you after a binary friendly reader? try pan
[06:10] <josh43> thompa, I'm looking for a "download like a madman" type client :)
[06:10] <nalioth> josh43: then use pan
[06:11] <thompa> knode
[06:11] <josh43> nalioth, Yeah, I am going to definately try it, tho I think I did before and it was a little old and crusty
[06:11] <gigaclon> noe1, MHZ
[06:11] <noe1> mauricio?
[06:11] <nalioth> josh43: i use it every day (movies, music, etc) and it works well
[06:12] <thrice`> is breezy supposed to include a gui for editing init scripts ?
[06:12] <josh43> nalioth: Does it work with yenc and all that new 'stuff'?
[06:12] <dmlinux> gigaclon, its not in synaptic
[06:12] <nalioth> josh43: yup
[06:12] <josh43> nalioth, Ok, cool.. I'm just setting it up now
[06:13] <thompa> apt-get install knode
[06:13] <melvztechie> hello guys
[06:14] <melvztechie> good day to ubuntu users
[06:14] <JayPee_> just wanted to say switched from suse 9.3 to Ubuntu and I must say I like gnome and Ubuntu
[06:14] <thompa> integration with kde is slick
[06:14] <dmlinux> hey melv
[06:14] <noe1> where are the edubuntu people?
[06:14] <thompa> konqueror is in the menu
[06:14] <Hendric> any suggestion for a lightweight Internet Browser???
[06:14] <josh43> JayPee_, You will like ubuntu more and more as you go.. did you put in 5.04 or 5.10?
[06:14] <budreefer> yay i fixed it bob thanks!
[06:14] <josh43> Hendric, Lynx
[06:14] <thompa> i got edubuntu
[06:14] <JayPee_> i installed breezy 5.10
[06:15] <JayPee_> it feels a lot more stable and faster than kde suse
[06:15] <JayPee_> i love it
[06:15] <josh43> JayPee_, Good choice :)
[06:15] <Hendric> josh43, lol, with GUI
[06:15] <noe1> i need to talk with someone of the edubuntu team :(
[06:15] <josh43> Hendric, There is something like... glynx (lynx with graphics)
[06:15] <kbrooks> noe1: ask here
[06:15] <budreefer> allright next item on the list
[06:15] <Amaranth> noe1: #edubuntu?
[06:15] <thompa> noel: Im using it for fractions lessons
[06:15] <MadpilotPPC> Hendric, some people report Opera as being slightly lighter than FF
[06:15] <durt> whoa lynx with graphics?
[06:16] <FR500> noe1: what for?
[06:16] <budreefer> does Ubuntu have a built in PPPoE dialer?
[06:16] <noe1> about the design of the CD
[06:16] <nalioth> Hendric: links2 has graphic capability
[06:16] <JayPee_> i love the support as well
[06:16] <bob2> budreefer: sure
[06:16] <melvztechie> hello guys, just wanna ask if there are safe files to remove in Breezy, I got  full already with my Harddrive
[06:16] <JayPee_> A+
[06:16] <noe1> of the latin american release
[06:16] <JayPee_> see you later ubuntu people
[06:16] <josh43> durt, I saw it in synaptic :)
[06:16] <Hendric> opera?? how about konqueror?? is it lighter than FF?
[06:17] <Amaranth> noe1: iirc there is an edubuntu-devel mailing list
[06:17] <budreefer> bob: i went looking for it on the livecd and couldn't find...where can i get to it?
[06:17] <bob2> melvztechie: sudo apt-get clean
[06:17] <JayPee_> bye josh43
[06:17] <bob2> budreefer: doubt it's on the livecd
[06:17] <thompa> noel: just put a sticker on it
[06:17] <noe1> hahaha
[06:17] <noe1> lol
[06:17] <bob2> budreefer: sudo pppoeconf ; sudo pon
[06:17] <budreefer> bob: but what i am staring at now is same as whats on livecd :)
[06:17] <noe1> im on the wrong place
[06:17] <MadpilotPPC> Hendric, no idea, haven't used konq myself
[06:18] <thompa> konqueror is working real good, but im suspect
[06:18] <Deekin> How do I restart an XOrg session throush shell please?
[06:18] <nalioth> konqueror is lighter than ff
[06:18] <thompa> no its bigger
[06:18] <bob2> budreefer: ok
[06:18] <Hendric> i need a lightweight browser with java, flash, graphics capabilities.. like FF
[06:18] <bob2> Deekin: define restart
[06:18] <thompa> it integrates better with other programs in kde
[06:18] <durt> are the mirrormax repos not working or something?
[06:19] <kbrooks> now i need to decide on what to do with those two created partitions...
[06:19] <Deekin> bob2: thank you, helpful as always :)
[06:19] <kbrooks> on my spare hd
[06:19] <durt> hendric: opera if you want all that
[06:19] <kbrooks> ideas
[06:19] <kbrooks> ?
[06:19] <Deekin> oh, i thought that was the command lol
[06:19] <bob2> Deekin: ?
[06:19] <Hendric> FF is so hungry... better try opera
[06:19] <bob2> Deekin: it depends on what your goal is
[06:19] <Hendric> how about an office suite?? Openoffice is hungry as hell...
[06:19] <Deekin> bob2: I'm dl'ing KDE now - I wanna log out of gnome and into KDE
[06:19] <kbrooks> Hendric: abiword
[06:20] <durt> hendric: gnome office
[06:20] <kbrooks> it isnt bloated
[06:20] <Phily> Hendric: Office suite use VI
[06:20] <thompa> try opera..
[06:20] <bob2> Deekin: then log out and back in again
[06:20] <budreefer> bob: appreciate the help man working great :) tanks
[06:20] <budreefer> l8ters all
[06:20] <thompa> they will send you a free license
[06:20] <kbrooks> phily: not a office suite
[06:20] <Deekin> bob2: duh, for some reason i didnt think that option was present - pardon me
[06:20] <Hendric> can those open an MS word document??
[06:20] <twysted> durt, the mirrormax repos are not offically ubuntu supported so we dont know :)
[06:20] <kbrooks> thompa: look at opera.com right now
[06:20] <thompa> i had bad font problems in opera though
[06:20] <Phily> kbrooks: with latext it is
[06:21] <twysted> brb
[06:21] <kbrooks> phily: i mean vi
[06:21] <Phily> kbrooks: just no wusiwyg
[06:21] <tritium> Phily, latext?  You're talking about LaTeX?
[06:21] <MadpilotPPC> thompa, there have been a bunch of font improvements in Opera w/ the 8.50 release. it's much prettier now!
[06:21] <thompa> the browser dude!
[06:21] <thompa> lol
[06:21] <kbrooks> thompa: go to opera.com please
[06:22] <durt> use qtconfig to tweak operas appearance
[06:22] <thrice`> still qt
[06:22] <kbrooks> thrice`: yes
[06:22] <Phily> I like opera but can't get rid off all my FF extentions
[06:22] <kbrooks> lol
[06:22] <dcarpenter> hi guys are any of u fluent in c++?
[06:22] <kbrooks> dont blame u
[06:23] <thompa> some kind of hidden adds probably
[06:23] <thompa> tracking?
[06:23] <melvztechie> bob2: hello sir, kinda new but what does the command will do? apt-get clean?
[06:23] <testuser> hello....
[06:23] <tritium> hello
[06:23] <durt> alot of those firefox extensions are attempts to mimic opera
[06:23] <Phily> durt: lol
[06:23] <thompa> it works better in windows
[06:24] <MadpilotPPC> durt, true, but you'll offend the FF fanbase pointing that out! ;)
[06:24] <thompa> but have not tried opera in ubuntu yet
[06:24] <thrice`> durt, minus streaming video
[06:24] <Phily> durt: u mean that opera has all hte functionality of the 1000+ availaibel extentions for FF?
[06:24] <wickedpuppy> dcarpenter, just ask ?
[06:24] <wickedpuppy> or ask in #c++
[06:24] <durt> thrice`: what do you mean?
[06:24] <thompa> there are a couple of issues I have with firefox
[06:24] <bob2> melvztechie: man apt-get
[06:25] <thrice`> durt, i've been unsuccessful with it
[06:25] <bob2> melvztechie: hint: it deletes cached installed packages
[06:25] <thompa> lost bookmarks
[06:25] <durt> thrice`: have you install mozplugger?
[06:25] <thrice`> durt, that's effective with opera ?
[06:25] <Phily> melvztechie: clean clears out the local repository of retrieved package files. It removes everything but the lock file from /var/cache/apt/archives/ and /var/cache/apt/archive/partial/. When APT is used as a dselect(8) method, clean is run automatically. Those who do not use dselect will likely want to run apt-get clean from time to time to free up disk space
[06:25] <melvztechie> bob2: thanks for the help sir:)
[06:25] <thompa> install real player and firefox
[06:26] <ibuntu> or epiphany
[06:26] <durt> thrice`: yes
[06:27] <thompa> konqueror is pretty slim
[06:28] <breakthestate> any command to find out the chipset for a USB webcam?  someone donated to me and i have no manuals
[06:29] <bob2> nope
[06:29] <wickedpuppy> whats the brand and model ? its probably on the manufacturer site
[06:29] <bob2> lsusb will help, tho
[06:29] <MadpilotPPC> breakthestate, www.google.com
[06:29] <twysted> breakthestate, what brand webcam is it? or is it just generic
[06:30] <thompa> i dont like the gloss in any of these desktops or web sites. things shoud be teatering on the edge
[06:30] <breakthestate> twysted: looks like a quickcam express from the website
[06:30] <breakthestate> logitech
[06:30] <MadpilotPPC> thompa, what do you mean?
[06:30] <breakthestate> but i've read about so many different chipsets
[06:31] <breakthestate> and a version is not printed
[06:31] <breakthestate> madpilot: what's google?
[06:31] <thompa> hey anybody know what is good for backup of home files and some configuration one.
[06:31] <Concord_Dawn> can anyone tell me where java is installed to?
[06:31] <thompa> do locate
[06:31] <Concord_Dawn> I did.
[06:32] <melvztechie> Phily: thanks also sir
[06:32] <thompa> and?
[06:32] <bob2> Concord_Dawn: depends how you installed it
[06:32] <melvztechie> Concord_Dawn: I think its not installed by default
[06:32] <melvztechie> Concord_Dawn: Need to download at sun.com website;)
[06:33] <Concord_Dawn> erm
[06:33] <Concord_Dawn> it is installed.
[06:33] <Concord_Dawn> I installed it
[06:33] <thompa> use synaptic
[06:33] <Concord_Dawn> I just need to figure out where it is, and it's not in the repos thopma
[06:33] <Concord_Dawn> thompa*
[06:33] <twysted> breakthestate, that one should work quite easily in linux just use google to find out how to set it up :)
[06:33] <Concord_Dawn> !javadebs
[06:33] <ubotu> Concord_Dawn: Are you on ritalin?
[06:33] <Concord_Dawn> !javadeb
[06:33] <ubotu> [javadeb]  for sun java debs packaged for ubuntu, Install from http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/87ofx (Breezy) 64-bit? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#java
[06:33] <Concord_Dawn> now
[06:34] <Concord_Dawn> please can you tell me where java gets installed?
[06:34] <nalioth> Concord_Dawn: open a terminal and type "which java"
[06:34] <thompa> go to system synaptic. open it and search for java.
[06:34] <twysted> concord_Dawn go to the url ubot provided
[06:34] <breakthestate> twysted: yeah and it even looks like most of the modules are already on my system
[06:34] <Concord_Dawn> twysted, it's installed, I want to find it on my system.
[06:34] <breakthestate> but no matter which ones i modprobe
[06:34] <twysted> thompa he doesnt have universal enabled so stop repeating
[06:34] <Concord_Dawn> thompa, java isn't in the repositories.
[06:34] <breakthestate> i never can get a /dev/video* to appear
[06:35] <twysted> concord_dawn, type 'sudo updatedb"
[06:35] <twysted> concord_dawn, then try to 'locate' it
[06:35] <Concord_Dawn> yeah
[06:35] <nalioth> twysted: "which java" will locate it
[06:35] <twysted> if it doesnt appear its not installed then :)
[06:36] <Concord_Dawn> it is installed
[06:36] <Concord_Dawn> java -version replies.
[06:36] <Concord_Dawn> trust me, it's there.
[06:37] <Concord_Dawn> BAH
[06:37] <Concord_Dawn> the results scroll up way too fast.
[06:37] <twysted> ehehe
[06:37] <Concord_Dawn> anyway to stop that?
[06:37] <nalioth> Concord_Dawn: which java
[06:37] <Concord_Dawn> I'm logged in via SSH btw.
[06:37] <nalioth> Concord_Dawn: locate java | more
[06:37] <Concord_Dawn> nalioth, the one in !javadeb
[06:37] <durt> ok just ignore nalioth
[06:38] <twysted> durt, already done ;)
[06:38] <nalioth> Concord_Dawn: in your terminal type "which java"  "which" is a command
[06:38] <twysted> breakthestate did you get that url for the quick cam?
[06:38] <Concord_Dawn> I did
[06:38] <Concord_Dawn> I found it, I think
[06:38] <Concord_Dawn> installed in a funny location
[06:38] <Concord_Dawn> /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun
[06:38] <maxmouse> anyone know if there is a msn client that supports webcam?
[06:38] <tom__> exit
[06:39] <twysted> looks like the right directory to me :)
[06:39] <twysted> maxmouse, theres a plugin for gaim but its still experimental
[06:39] <maxmouse> twysted, thanks
[06:39] <twysted> maxmouse, though its been said you can wine msn7
[06:39] <maxmouse> oh thats cool
[06:39] <maxmouse> ill try that too
[06:39] <thompa> anyone know how to do easy /home backup?
[06:39] <Concord_Dawn> yes
[06:40] <Concord_Dawn> cp -R /home/* <destination>
[06:40] <thompa> i need to see if cd burner works
[06:40] <breakthestate> twysted: but yeah, i just found the exact name and it is listed as not supported
[06:41] <lightstar> tar cfz <filename>.tar.gz /home
[06:41] <twysted> ah
[06:41] <twysted> that sucks
[06:41] <lui> helloooo
[06:41] <thompa> what about to ipod?
[06:42] <grigora> hi, can someone tell me what I have to have installed to be able to play DVDs? I am being told that I need libdvdcss, but when I try to install it, I get an error that it's been obsoleted. any ideas? TIA!
[06:42] <twysted> thompa that will work as long as ubuntu can see it and you can browse it :)
[06:42] <breakthestate> twysted: thx i'll keep at it
[06:42] <Concord_Dawn> <3 SSH
[06:42] <thrice`> !restrictedformats
[06:42] <ubotu> it has been said that restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[06:42] <breakthestate> possibly trying out this thing called google
[06:42] <thompa> it does not work when you switch to another windows computer
[06:42] <Concord_Dawn> the most ereet way to run an appendageless server.
[06:43] <thompa> mines blank anyway. all the songs deleted
[06:43] <anethema> hey is there a way for apt to force the install of a file even if deps dont clear?
[06:44] <twysted> thompa well as long as you can browse it in ubuntu you should be able to to a home dir backup to it using one of the commands that lightstar or COncord gave to you
[06:44] <VoX> err
[06:44] <anethema> synaptic is saying this: skype:
[06:44] <anethema>  Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>=3:<IP_ADDRESS>) but it is not installable
[06:44] <VoX> anethema: why would you want to force-install if the deps dont clear?
[06:44] <anethema> but i know my ver is better
[06:44] <twysted> anethema are you using breezy or hoary?
[06:44] <thompa> Concord_Dawn: are there any config files I might need?
[06:44] <strat> anyone have problems installing realplayer??when i try to insatall...it says something about   ./    not a valid cpmmand ..some thing like that...i followed instructions at reals site but cant get it to install..
[06:44] <anethema> breezy
[06:44] <Concord_Dawn> twysted, use [tab]  please.
[06:44] <Concord_Dawn> thompa, -R gets everything.
[06:44] <anethema> but ive got <IP_ADDRESS>-7
[06:45] <twysted> concord_dawn, i dont have auto complete on mirc ;)
[06:45] <anethema> and im pretty damn sure it will run
[06:45] <Concord_Dawn> O_O
[06:45] <Concord_Dawn> twysted, why not? autocomplete is ereet!
[06:45] <durt> what are you installing anathem?
[06:45] <anethema> just wondering if there is a way to make apt ignore the dependancies during a install
[06:45] <lightstar> thompa : if u backup the entire home directory, every user conf is backed up..which is wat i suppose ur looking 4
[06:45] <grigora> folks, does anyone know where I can get libdvdcss? thanks
[06:45] <Concord_Dawn> anethema, -f switch.
[06:45] <thompa> just want bookmarks and some emails.
[06:45] <Concord_Dawn> !libdvdcss
[06:45] <ubotu> Concord_Dawn: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[06:45] <Concord_Dawn> !libdvd
[06:45] <ubotu> Concord_Dawn: Are you smoking crack?
[06:45] <twysted> anethema it might not be supported in breezy yet so youd have better luck trying it with hoary
[06:46] <twysted> !dvd
[06:46] <ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu, some dvd's require libdvdcss2, which can be found in !hoary-extras
[06:46] <twysted> !hoary-extras
[06:46] <ubotu> from memory, hoary-extras is see  http://backports.ubuntuforums.org ; example hoary repo: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[06:46] <thompa> hey you cant write that word
[06:47] <twysted> grigora there ya go
[06:47] <grigora> twysted: thanks, I am trying now
[06:48] <anethema> its not 'supported' in anything
[06:48] <twysted> welcome :)
[06:48] <anethema> third part commercial app
[06:48] <arty> hey here's a question: I have a quite old laptop running debian 3.1, and i'm thinking of switching to ubuntu, mainly because it's easier to find info about specific ubuntu questions than debian imo ... does anybody have some experience they can relate from the perspective of a recent debian user?
[06:48] <tritium> arty, if you're used to debian, it should be painless
[06:48] <twysted> arty, hello i can help you if needed
[06:48] <arty> tritium: i was hoping
[06:49] <dmlinux> hey guys, what program will let me open RARs
[06:49] <nalioth> tritium: if you're used to debian, it should be bliss
[06:49] <Concord_Dawn> dmlinux, rar
[06:49] <twysted> dmlinux, 'unrar'
[06:49] <nalioth> dmlinux: unrar-nonfree
[06:49] <arty> anything strange about the configs in /etc that are different from the debian ones?
[06:49] <arty> that stand out?
[06:49] <Concord_Dawn> sudo apt-get rar unrar
[06:49] <anethema> Concord_Dawn, -f is fix
[06:49] <dmlinux> is it in synaptic
[06:49] <anethema> not force
[06:49] <Concord_Dawn> anethema, there is a force switch.
[06:49] <breakthestate> $!&*! hardware
[06:49] <anethema> no idea how to force an install if the deps dont work
[06:49] <nalioth> unrar-nonfree opens more types of rars
[06:49] <twysted> arty, its pretty simular sicne ubunu is debian based
[06:49] <arty> ok
[06:49] <arty> thanks
[06:49] <dmlinux> twysted, can i apt get it?
[06:49] <twysted> dmlinux, use unrar-nonfree
[06:49] <twysted> dmlinux you should be able to
[06:50] <anethema> guh
[06:50] <anethema> cant get it to install
[06:50] <nalioth> ubotu: tell anethema about sources
[06:50] <twysted> anethema only thing i can suggest is going back to hoary
[06:51] <dmlinux> twysted, do you know the exact code? sudo apt-get install unrar-nonfree
[06:51] <twysted> dmlinux that should work
[06:51] <nalioth> dmlinux: thats it
[06:52] <grigora> twysted: with libdvdcss2 installed, I still cannot get the DVD to play
[06:52] <trace> Has anyone got Anjunta running correctly on breezy?
[06:52] <josh43> what repository should unrar-nonfree be in?
[06:52] <twysted> grigora what media player
[06:52] <nalioth> !info unrar-nonfree
[06:52] <ubotu> unrar-nonfree: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section multiverse/utils, is optional. Version: 3.4.3-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 82 kB, Installed size: 208 kB
[06:52] <grigora> twysted: totem
[06:52] <josh43> nalioth, Thanks
[06:52] <anethema> the exact same prob existed on hoary
[06:52] <lightstar> trace : i have..but i upgraded my hoary to breezy..n it works fine
[06:53] <anethema> nalioth, this doesnt help me
[06:53] <dmlinux> i cant view .ICO is there a prog out there to view
[06:53] <breakthestate> well since, i'm not registered, i'm going to apologize for being a prick to madpilot in public, i was just so frustrated and had googled my brain off already.  i truly am sorry and i know you help lots of people here...inlcluding myself.
[06:53] <twysted> grigora check your prefs to make sure it it pointing to your dvd rom (/mnt/cdrom?)
[06:53] <grigora> twysted: the error message from totem mentions libdvdcss, and when I try to install that instead of libdvdcss(2) I get an error as well
[06:54] <mylastmorning> hey
[06:54] <mylastmorning> does anyone know how to get Rangarok Online running?
[06:54] <grigora> twysted: totem shows the correct device
[06:54] <trace> lightstar: Did you get complaints about "configure:error: Package requirements (libnomeui-2.0 gtk+-2.0) were not met?
[06:54] <grigora> twysted: I am going to try using mplayer instead
[06:55] <twysted> grigora that might be a better idea :)
[06:55] <thompa> lightstar: thanks
[06:55] <mylastmorning> does anyone know how to get Rangarok Online working?
[06:55] <dmlinux> Does anyone know a viewer that can view .ICO files
[06:55] <twysted> mylastmorning we saw your question the first time so please wait :)
[06:55] <Concord_Dawn> dmlinux, GIMP should be able to.
[06:55] <mylastmorning> sorry twysted, I'm just kinda fed up with it...
[06:56] <lightstar> trace : nope i didnt...all seemed to work jsut fine
[06:56] <lightstar> thompa : no problem;)
[06:56] <mylastmorning> hello lightstar ^_^
[06:56] <trace> lightstar: happens everytime I try to build
[06:56] <anethema> aparently apt-get doesnt have a force dependancies switch
[06:56] <anethema> dpkg does though
[06:56] <lightstar> mylastmorning : heya:D
[06:56] <bob2> anethema: of course
[06:56] <Concord_Dawn> anethema, then download the deb only.
[06:56] <twysted> mylastmorning> is it linux supported at all natively?
[06:56] <anethema> yeah
[06:56] <Concord_Dawn> and use dpkg -if
[06:56] <bob2> anethema: the point of apt-get is to go from one consistent state to another
[06:57] <anethema> yes but, it is saying i need some version of something
[06:57] <anethema> and im pretty sure my version is newer
[06:57] <bob2> fix the broken .deb
[06:57] <mylastmorning> no twysted, and when I try to use wine, it just steals ram and doesn't run the installer.
[06:57] <lightstar> trace : strange..hmmm
[06:57] <bob2> anethema: not according to dpkg --compare-versions
[06:57] <anethema> is <IP_ADDRESS>.2 newer than <IP_ADDRESS>-7 ?
[06:57] <lightstar> trace : did u upgrade from prev ubuntu or u did a fresh install?
[06:57] <twysted> mylastmorning> you will need to consult support from wine's man pages or channel/forum/ect
[06:57] <trace> lightstar: fresh install
[06:57] <Concord_Dawn> can anyone help me with Tomcat?
[06:57] <bob2> anethema: are you sure those are the two versions?
[06:57] <bob2> anethema: and I assume this is skype?
[06:58] <anethema> yes skype
[06:58] <lightstar> trace : odd..then there should not be any problems..hang on lemme check on my side
[06:58] <mylastmorning> twysted, I'm not sure if I want to use wine... I hear theirs more programs that are even better.
[06:58] <anethema> and yes ive got <IP_ADDRESS>-7 and it wants <IP_ADDRESS>.2
[06:58] <bob2> anethema: skype is broken, get the static tarball instead
[06:58] <anethema> of some libMT
[06:58] <bob2> anethema: the latter is newer tha nthe former, yes
[06:58] <twysted> mylastmorning> yea cedega might work alot better but it does cost money
[06:58] <trace> lightstar: It strats up...but I just cannot build.
[06:58] <bob2> anethema: <IP_ADDRESS> > 1.1.1-anything
[06:58] <anethema> ohh okay, so i dont have a newer version
[06:59] <mylastmorning> bummer. do they except paypal twysted?
[06:59] <anethema> i just discovered the aoss function of alsa though
[06:59] <anethema> makes skype a normal alsa app, i love it
[06:59] <Concord_Dawn> can anyone help me with Tomcat?
[06:59] <twysted> mylastmorning> i think they accept paypal check out http://www.transgaming.com/ they make cedga/winex
[06:59] <bob2> Concord_Dawn: way easier if you just ask your question
[06:59] <bob2> way way way way way way easier
[06:59] <Concord_Dawn> bob2, well it's not, since I don't really know what's wrong.
[07:00] <Concord_Dawn> I just know, something is.
[07:00] <anethema> twysted, they dont accept paypal, but do accept credit cards
[07:00] <twysted> Concord_Dawn, try the Apache channel documentation then :)
[07:00] <twysted> anethema ah oh well
[07:00] <bob2> Concord_Dawn: and not giving us log snippets, config files or explaining what's wrong makes it impoessible for anyon to help you
[07:00] <anethema> heh anyone else just get another 5mb of updates for breezy? :D
[07:01] <anethema> any day now it will all be golden :D
[07:01] <Concord_Dawn> bob2, well, I've found that asking if anyone can help with a specific subject saves me a lot of time and bandwidth
[07:01] <vol0za> hello, I'm just a newbie who wants to get involved in the Ubuntu community. I have some coding/Linux experience. Can anybody help me to start?
[07:01] <bob2> Concord_Dawn: and annoys potential helpers
[07:01] <twysted> *sigh*
[07:01] <anethema> Concord_Dawn, in ANY help channel you just ask..dont ask if you can ask
[07:01] <anethema> its just the way it works
[07:01] <bob2> anyway, it's annoyign enough that I'm not going to ask for more details, so good luck
[07:01] <twysted> will you two stop bickering and just get on with helping
[07:01] <anethema> if someone can help, they will
[07:01] <bob2> vol0za: #ubuntu-motu
[07:01] <anethema> if no one speaks up, they dont know
[07:01] <nalioth_zZz> vol0za: wiki.ubuntu.com is a good place to start looking
[07:02] <DavidLeeRoth> ayuda en espanol es en #ubuntu-es  si quieres saber
[07:02] <twysted> Concord_Dave if you cannot provide a question to your problem dont expect an answer, its as simple as that, JUST ASK PEOPLE IF WE CANT HELP WELL POINT YOU THE RIGHT WAY
[07:02] <anethema> i see the new gnome doesnt fix the damn button bug haha
[07:02] <Concord_Dawn> erm
[07:02] <anethema> where sometimes mousing over doesnt cause the button to pop out and so you cant fix it
[07:02] <twysted> anethema that sucks
[07:02] <anethema> not that big a deal
[07:02] <bob2> twysted: er, please?
[07:02] <vol0za> thanks, I'll try the motu and the wiki.
[07:02] <anethema> its just a small one so i figured it would be fixed
[07:02] <anethema> i wonder if its in the bugzilla
[07:03] <twysted> bob2?
[07:03] <bob2> anethema: if you've found a bug in gnome, please repoert it
[07:03] <Concord_Dawn> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2840
[07:03] <Concord_Dawn> there is my problem
[07:03] <bob2> twysted: no need to be obnoxious and/or use caps
[07:03] <Concord_Dawn> Tomcat blows chunks when I try and stop it.
[07:03] <anethema> its soo common bob i am sure it is in bugzills
[07:03] <anethema> a
[07:03] <anethema> like, all my ubuntu buddies know it is there
[07:03] <Concord_Dawn> but when I start it, I get no errors, and it doesn't start.
[07:03] <bob2> anethema: have you checked?
[07:03] <bob2> anethema: that's not rreally useful
[07:03] <twysted> Concord_dawn looks like a java error to me
[07:04] <anethema> and like in menus, sometimes when you open one pulldown menu, then switch to open another, it doesnt pop out and you click and the whole damn thing closes
[07:04] <borgista> Hello. How do I turn off the Totem-Mozilla plugin?
[07:04] <anethema> you know what i mean bob?
[07:04] <Concord_Dawn> wow, we're observant, considering I'm dinking around with a java servlet, I'd say you're on target.
[07:04] <bob2> Concord_Dawn: what does catalina try to connect to?
[07:04] <Concord_Dawn> (I'm not the only one who can be a smartass)
[07:04] <Concord_Dawn> bob2, nothing as of yet.
[07:04] <bob2> anethema: if no one else has filed a bug, please do so
[07:04] <tylerdurden> hey how come i can only go up to 75 mhz but in windows i can do 85?
[07:04] <esac_> expanding on borgista's question, how do i switch it so that instead of totem, nautilus launches VLC instead ?
[07:04] <anethema> okay
[07:04] <Concord_Dawn> btw, I'm following the howto located here: http://www.sitepoint.com/article/jsp-quick-start-guide-linux/4
[07:04] <bob2> Concord_Dawn: hm? the error seems to be that it's tried and filed
[07:04] <anethema> in ubuntu bugzilla or gnome?
[07:05] <bob2> anethema: either
[07:05] <esac_> tylerdurden: 75 Hz, not mhz
[07:05] <borgista> I installed mozilla-mplayer but totem-plugin still comes up.
[07:05] <tylerdurden> :S oops
[07:05] <anethema> ahh ive got an account at the ubuntu one, ill use that
[07:05] <tylerdurden> but still, but come i can only go up to 75?
[07:05] <Concord_Dawn> bob2, except for the fact that that's when I try and STOP it. when I start it I get the first 4 lines and no error.
[07:05] <bob2> tylerdurden: you need to ptovide some sort of context
[07:05] <twysted> borgista apt-get remove totem-mozilla or totem-plugin
[07:06] <tylerdurden> well i have a radeon 9200, adn my res is 1024 768
[07:06] <borgista> Neither work twysted
[07:06] <bob2> tylerdurden: you're talking about your video card then?
[07:06] <bob2> tylerdurden: I really really really doubt your refresh rate was ever 85MHz
[07:06] <tylerdurden> uhh..
[07:06] <tylerdurden> it is
[07:06] <tylerdurden> on windows it is
[07:06] <bob2> no, it's not
[07:06] <bob2> it's really not
[07:06] <twysted> id have to agree with bob, windows is VERRRRY lax with refresh rates
[07:06] <bob2> Concord_Dawn: hm, most of those things are in ubuntu already
[07:06] <tylerdurden> well its says 85
[07:07] <bob2> tylerdurden: 85 Hz != 85 MHz
[07:07] <tylerdurden> and in linux it says 75
[07:07] <twysted> my monitor only supporst 60htz but itll go up to 85 but it doesnt mean ill use 85 :)
[07:07] <borgista> twysted: do you think removing totem-gstreamer would work?
[07:07] <tylerdurden> well my bad it is Hz ok?
[07:07] <twysted> borgista that might work
[07:07] <Concord_Dawn> erm, ?
[07:07] <borgista> Let's see.
[07:07] <borgista> twysted: Should I try re-installing mozilla-mplayer?
[07:07] <Concord_Dawn> bob2, mind explaining what you mean?
[07:07] <twysted> borgista, yes
[07:08] <borgista> thanks twysted
[07:08] <anethema> bob2, ill report it, but do you or anyone else know which bug i mean?
[07:08] <bob2> Concord_Dawn: apache, mod_jk2, the tomcat libs
[07:08] <bob2> anethema: no
[07:08] <anethema> like sometimes when you mouseover a button it wont click
[07:08] <Concord_Dawn> mod_jk isn't in the repos
[07:08] <twysted> welcome
[07:08] <anethema> it doesnt pop out
[07:08] <Concord_Dawn> afaik
[07:08] <borgista> Let's see if this works...
[07:08] <Concord_Dawn> and is there any way to search the repos command line?
[07:08] <bob2> libapache-mod-jk - Apache 1.3 connector for the Tomcat Java servlet engine
[07:08] <bob2> libapache2-mod-jk2 - Apache 2.0 connector for the Tomcat Java servlet engine
[07:08] <Pickle_Weasel> does breezy come with java? i seem to be having problems
[07:08] <bob2> Concord_Dawn: ^
[07:08] <bob2> Pickle_Weasel: yes, but not the one from sun
[07:08] <borgista> Pickle_Weasel: no, it doesn't.
[07:08] <Concord_Dawn> DOH
[07:08] <bob2> Concord_Dawn: apt-cache search blah
[07:08] <borgista> OH, it does?
[07:09] <anethema> im trying to reproduce it in some reliable way before filing a report
[07:09] <Concord_Dawn> I r f***ing stupid
[07:09] <Pickle_Weasel> how would i remove this? i installed the one from sun i guess...over the existing one, and am having major problems
[07:09] <Concord_Dawn> how did I miss those
[07:09] <Concord_Dawn> bob2, will I still need tomcat though?
[07:09] <AlphaFaction> Hey any of you gyes know how to remove the harddrive icons that show up on the desktop when you got a fat32 drive in your pc? Id rather keep my desktop blank if i can
[07:09] <Laforge38> how do i start an emulator?
[07:10] <bob2> Laforge38: depends on the emulator
[07:10] <anethema> just apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[07:10] <Laforge38> NES one bob2
[07:10] <anethema> thats the one from sun
[07:10] <bob2> Concord_Dawn: oddly, yes,  its in Debian but not Ubuntu, for some reason.
[07:10] <bob2> Laforge38: that's still not specific enough
[07:10] <Laforge38> bob2, FECU
[07:11] <Concord_Dawn> bob2, so I just need to config Tomcat to work with mod_jk, but everything else will be done? sweet
[07:11] <bob2> Laforge38: what?
[07:11] <bob2> Concord_Dawn: I think so
[07:11] <nalioth_zZz> ubotu: tell Pickle_Weasel about javadeb
[07:11] <Laforge38> bob2: FEC Ultra
[07:11] <borgista> that worked twysted
[07:11] <borgista> thank you.
[07:12] <bob2> Laforge38: that doesn't seem to be in ubuntu
[07:12] <bob2> Laforge38: did nestra not work?
[07:12] <Pickle_Weasel> nalioth_zZz, heh, there's great irony in sending me to that link
[07:12] <Pickle_Weasel> you see, the problem i am having is with azureus
[07:12] <Laforge38> bob2: well i wanted to try escape from pong, and it said to use FEC but i will try nestra
[07:12] <Pickle_Weasel> so i can't torrent a java package to fix my java problem
[07:13] <anethema> heh Pickle_Weasel
[07:13] <anethema> just type sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[07:13] <anethema> done, you have java
[07:13] <xuniluser> How do you recompile your kernel in Ubuntu?
[07:13] <tritium> anethema, not if he doesn't have the same repos as you have
[07:13] <anethema> oh
[07:14] <Pickle_Weasel> which i don't
[07:14] <tristanmike> Pickle_Weasel, that package isn't a torrent is it?
[07:14] <Pickle_Weasel> it is, it seems
[07:14] <dmlinux> Does anyone know how to get gDesklets to start on login.. I did sessions/startup but im not sure if im doing it right
[07:14] <tritium> xuniluser, the debian/ubuntu method involves using kernel-package
[07:14] <tristanmike> Pickle_Weasel, Hoary?
[07:14] <anethema> the only special repos i have are universe and multiverse
[07:14] <Pickle_Weasel> breezy
[07:14] <anethema> add those and you can install the sun j2re
[07:14] <tristanmike> Pickle_Weasel, http://tinyurl.com/bwomt
[07:15] <Laforge38> bob2: where would the rom be downloaded to?
[07:15] <Pickle_Weasel> i had everything working great, then last night my system messed up, now i have it back up and running, and i can't get torrents to work
[07:15] <anethema> !faq
[07:15] <ubotu> faq is probably The Ubuntu FAQ Guide: select System -> Help (in Breezy), or http://ubuntu-doc.ath.cx/gnome/faqi386/C/
[07:15] <bob2> Laforge38: wherever you told firefox to put it
[07:15] <bob2> Laforge38: ~/Desktop by default
[07:15] <Pickle_Weasel> could it be a problem with iptables?
[07:15] <Pickle_Weasel> what's the command to remove all firewall blocks?
[07:15] <Pickle_Weasel> -F?
[07:15] <tristanmike> outta my leauge
[07:15] <Laforge38> bob2: i got it from synaptic not firefox
[07:16] <Pickle_Weasel> tristanmike, what's the difference between the two java packages there?
[07:16] <Pickle_Weasel> nevermind, i see it now
[07:17] <esac> i heard that by release, ubuntu was going to be able to apt-get install klik .. are there still any plans for that ?
[07:17] <jbalint> Hi, I installed gcc, 4.0. But how do I compile the simplest program? /usr/include is almost empty!
[07:17] <winner> esac: what is klik?
[07:17] <tristanmike> Pickle_Weasel, umm, can you tell me, cause I don't understand the diff between re and sdk, sdk is for developers?
[07:17] <bob2> esac: where did you hear that?
[07:17] <Pickle_Weasel> that's what i figure
[07:17] <bob2> jbalint: install build-essential
[07:17] <Pickle_Weasel> re being runtime environment
[07:17] <esac> !klik
[07:17] <ubotu> klik is probably at  http://dot.kde.org/1126867980/
[07:17] <Pickle_Weasel> or somesuch
[07:17] <anethema> is there a issue with adding uni/multi verse then installing the sun java thru apt?
[07:18] <tristanmike> ahhh, makes sense now
[07:18] <anethema> seems to be the easiest way
[07:18] <jbalint> bob2: ok, i'll look for it.
[07:18] <thux> Hi, what to do when synaptic say: Please use Synaptic "Smart Upgrade"
[07:18] <mylastmorning> does anyone play Ragnarok?
[07:18] <esac> bob2: i dont recall. i know on the front page of klik that it says that klik is "being prepared for use with ubuntu" though
[07:18] <bob2> esac: that seems pointless given ubuntu has apt
[07:18] <jbalint> bob2: Ok, great. Thanks alot.
[07:20] <Concord_Dawn> has anyone here used tomcat before? I need some help connecting it to Apache2
[07:20] <bob2> esac: and that page doesn't seem to say anything about ubuntu itself, just that they have a forum thread about klik
[07:21] <nomasteryoda> bob2, did Ubuntu Developers make the link drag-n-drop for Firefox ... as in to desktop, etc.... or is that something from debian?
[07:21] <nomasteryoda> or firefox
[07:22] <nomasteryoda> that is something i missed when i left windows
[07:22] <bob2> I don' know
[07:22] <bob2> that sounds like firefox-gnome-support territyoty
[07:22] <Laforge38> how do i open a zip?
[07:22] <nomasteryoda> ok
[07:22] <nomasteryoda> anyhow, kudos to whomever
[07:23] <Hendric> abiword is just like magic...
[07:23] <topyli> Laforge38: try clicking on it :)
[07:23] <Hendric> where can i get opera?? its not on the repos i think....
[07:23] <Concord_Dawn> it's there Hendric
[07:23] <bob2> Hendric: www.opera.com...
[07:24] <bob2> opera's highly non-free and undistributable
[07:24] <bob2> or was
[07:25] <logikal_> hey anyone around?
[07:25] <logikal_> quick question
[07:25] <Concord_Dawn> sure.
[07:25] <logikal_> downloaded a theme for KDE, a source file
[07:25] <logikal_> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[07:25] <logikal_> See `config.log' for more details.
[07:25] <logikal_> got that error while running ./configure
[07:25] <Concord_Dawn> yeah
[07:25] <Concord_Dawn> means it can't find gcc
[07:25] <logikal_> This distro does come with gcc correct?
[07:25] <Concord_Dawn> not standard
[07:25] <topyli> logikal_: install the build-essential package
[07:26] <Concord_Dawn> indeed
[07:26] <logikal_> ok
[07:26] <Hendric> its not on the repos.. i tried..
[07:26] <Concord_Dawn> it is.
[07:26] <bob2> it's really not
[07:26] <Concord_Dawn> at least, it's in one of them
[07:26] <Myrtti> !build-essential
[07:26] <ubotu> Myrtti: I give up, what is it?
[07:26] <Concord_Dawn> !packages opera
[07:26] <ubotu> I don't know, Concord_Dawn
[07:26] <Myrtti> hm
[07:26] <Concord_Dawn> !info opera
[07:26] <logikal_> is it in ther eor what?
[07:27] <logikal_> Yes it is
[07:27] <logikal_> I assure you, it's in there
[07:27] <logikal_> gcc-4.0
[07:27] <logikal_> do you have universe and multiverse on?
[07:27] <Hendric> see.. no opera
[07:27] <Concord_Dawn> no
[07:27] <johnsie2> I can't get videos to play on the BBC website
[07:28] <Concord_Dawn> logikal_ gcc 3.3 is much more compat
[07:28] <topyli> opera is not in the standard ubuntu repositories. there probably is a repository somewhere where you can get it
[07:28] <Myrtti> and why bother with apt
[07:28] <Concord_Dawn> topyli, it's in uni/multiverse
[07:28] <Myrtti> download the deb from their site
[07:28] <Myrtti> install with dpkg -i
[07:29] <bob2> Concord_Dawn: it's not
[07:29] <bob2> !+find bin/opera
[07:29] <johnsie2> how do i install the w32codecs?
[07:29] <Concord_Dawn> !w32codecs
[07:29] <ubotu> well, w32codecs is a set of codecs for popular audio/video formats (wmv etc). Install from http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/87ofx (Breezy)
[07:29] <tristanmike> Myrtti, because the programs have been specifically "crafted" for ubuntu
[07:29] <logikal_> give him the java sun site...
[07:29] <logikal_> for the codecs
[07:29] <Concord_Dawn> ok
[07:29] <Concord_Dawn> DIE TOMCAT
[07:30] <Concord_Dawn> I WANT TO SLAPZ0R YOU
[07:30] <logikal_> johnsie2, I find some codecs for most major types are in the repositories
[07:30] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/opera' returned no results.
[07:30] <jhonny> plz, how can i play MP3 in ubuntu at all, rhythmbox, specially?
[07:31] <johnsie2> really im just looking to play wmv off bbc.co.uk
[07:31] <topyli> jhonny: install gstreamer0.8-mad
[07:31] <Myrtti> !mp3
[07:31] <ubotu> See !restricted
[07:31] <jhonny> thx
[07:31] <Concord_Dawn> ubotu: tell jhonny about restricted
[07:31] <tristanmike> jhonny, sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[07:31] <logikal_> gcc-3.3 is in the repositories too.
[07:31] <Concord_Dawn> logikal_ I recommend 3.3 over 4.0
[07:32] <Concord_Dawn> considering apt wanted to remove a whole lot of programs when I went to install gcc 4
[07:32] <logikal_> well i got the 3.3 c compiler, and the 4.0 c++ compiler.
[07:32] <jhonny> ok, but i had to enable extra reporitories
[07:32] <topyli> Concord_Dawn: i tend to recommend whatever the rest of the distribution is built with
[07:32] <Concord_Dawn> yeah
[07:32] <jhonny> i can't find
[07:32] <Concord_Dawn> which is 3.3
[07:32] <Concord_Dawn> jhonny, it's in universe.
[07:32] <Concord_Dawn> or multiverse
[07:32] <logikal_> O like amarok jhonny
[07:32] <topyli> Concord_Dawn: true with hoary