[00:10] <Ward1983> i cannot get my pvr-150 to work :s
[00:10] <Ward1983> the system finds the card and everything
[00:10] <Ward1983> but when i scan for channels i get no signal
[00:10] <Ward1983> 0% signal strength
[00:11] <Ward1983> the cable is ifne i tested it into the tv which showed an image
[00:11] <Ward1983> any ideas?
[00:11] <Ward1983> !help pvr-150
[00:11] <Ward1983> !help
[00:11] <Zinn> Use ! followed by a topic to get help on the topic (if it exists) example: !logs.  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].  For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi
[00:11] <Ward1983> !pvr-150
[00:11] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about pvr-150
[00:12] <Ward1983> !ivtv
[00:12] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about ivtv
[00:12] <Ward1983> :o
[00:12]  * Ward1983 is shocked
[00:12] <Ward1983> !hauppauge
[00:12] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about hauppauge
[00:35] <tgm4883_laptop> Ward1983, what version of ubuntu are you using?  What did you set your card up as in mythtv-setup?
[00:37] <rhpot1992> perhaps you didn't set the correct broadcast type for your area
[00:37] <ZeroDamage> Anyone recommend any particular capture card.  I've honestly been researching all day and haven't found anything that I can order and know it will work for sure.  Has to be PCI (not express) and hopefully support both analogue and digital but digital not required.  I would hope it will work out of the box or very easily.
[00:38] <Ward1983> tgm4883, mythbuntu 8.10
[00:38] <rhpot1991> pvr-150/250/350/500
[00:38] <Ward1983> tgm4883, i set my card up as a pvr-x / pvr-500
[00:38] <rhpot1991> ZeroDamage: ^
[00:38] <Ward1983> tgm4883, and /dev/video1
[00:39] <rhpot1991> they are end of life though, so hard to find now
[00:39] <Ward1983> rhpot1991, lol most of the times that stuff is suported best
[00:39] <Ward1983> besides i can view tv with a program and ivtv-tune
[00:39] <Ward1983> so its not the card
[00:39] <Ward1983> its mythtv
[00:40] <Ward1983> doesnt find channels if i scan
[00:40] <rhpot1991> check the broadcast type
[00:40] <Ward1983> where?
[00:40] <rhpot1991> mythtv-setup
[00:40] <Ward1983> what part of it lol?
[00:40] <Ward1983> just so i cannot make a mistake
[00:40] <rhpot1991> I think its on the input page, not positive though
[00:40] <Ward1983> ok thanx
[00:40] <Ward1983> ill chedck it out after my smoke
[00:40] <ZeroDamage> rhpotl1991 That's just it.  The one card I see a lot of is the hvr 1600 but it seems to use different chips and it is not supported too well.
[00:41] <Ward1983> ie been trying for ohurs now so i need alittle break first :)
[00:41] <Ward1983> hope that does not seem ungratefull lol
[00:45] <Ward1983> rhpot1991, i logged in trough vnc onto my other box running mythbuntu, but i cannot fidn anything liek it
[00:45] <Ward1983> i can only set the frequency
[00:46] <rhpot1991> Ward1983: give you choices like us-bcast?
[00:46] <Ward1983> yeah i set try all there to make sure
[00:47] <Ward1983> thats called the cahnnel frequency table
[00:47] <Ward1983> thats why i didnt find it :p
[00:47] <ZeroDamage> Is there any card out there that isn't EOL that I can easily buy that will work more or less out of the box?
[00:47] <ZeroDamage> I would rather not have to install something else on my Ubuntu machine just to get the pvr stuff working
[00:47] <Ward1983> do you also have a pvr ?
[00:48] <Seeker`> I've got two consecutive recordings on the same channel being assigned to different tuners
[00:48] <ZeroDamage> Seeker' what are you using for cards?
[00:48] <Ward1983> man this is depressing lol
[00:49] <Ward1983> i wish there was a normal prog that actually worked normally to wach tv
[00:49] <Ward1983> mythtv never just works
[00:49] <rhpot1991> ZeroDamage: the hvr-1600 is supposed to work in intrepid fairly easily, might want to search the forums and see what people are reporting on it
[00:49] <Ward1983> second card i try second tiume same problem
[00:49] <Seeker`> ZeroDamage: Nova T 500
[00:49] <Ward1983> i dont even remember what the problem was with the other card, i got it fixed after ike half a year
[00:51] <tgm4883> Ward1983, shouldn't it be /dev/video0
[00:52] <Ward1983> tgm4883, no thats my old MJPEG capturecard
[00:52] <ZeroDamage> Seeker' that seems to be a UK based card.  :)  I am in the US.
[00:52] <Ward1983> a DC10 :)
[00:52] <Ward1983> V4L
[00:52] <tgm4883> ok
[00:52] <Ward1983> that one doesnt have a tuner
[00:52] <Ward1983> its from 1998 :)
[00:53] <Ward1983> its PERFECT because i use mjpeg to VJ :)
[00:53] <Ward1983> this thing even outputs it lol
[00:53] <Ward1983> all hardware :)
[00:53] <rhpot1991> Its been a while since I set up my 150, maybe you chose the wrong inputs?
[00:53] <Ward1983> very unlikely
[00:53] <rhpot1991> it lets you pick between the svideo/tuner/etc
[00:53] <Ward1983> yes thats tuner
[00:53] <Ward1983> (im not retarded :p)
[00:54] <rhpot1991> try choosing usbroadcast for the frequency
[00:54] <Ward1983> i live in belgium :s
[00:54] <rhpot1991> heh, or not :)
[00:54] <rhpot1991> whatever is appropriate for your area then
[00:55] <Ward1983> europe-west
[00:55] <Ward1983> tried that too
[00:55] <Ward1983> and try all
[00:55] <Ward1983> both of those
[00:56] <Ward1983> u in the US?
[00:56] <rhpot1991> yep
[00:56] <Ward1983> dotn forget to vote then :)
[00:56] <rhpot1991> I wont :)
[00:56] <Ward1983> i really hope o bama wins to be honest
[00:56] <rhpot1991> tgm4883_laptop: will forget I hope :)
[00:56]  * rhpot1991 may get banned
[00:57] <Ward1983> from ehre or the us lol?
[00:58] <rhpot1991> that depends who is watching
[00:58] <Ward1983> lol
[01:01] <Ward1983> pfffffffffffff
[01:01] <Ward1983> are there any mythtv alternatives?
[01:01] <Ward1983> i only know of mediaportal but thats windoze only
[01:01] <Ward1983> dont really feel like buying a windows license
[01:04] <tgm4883_laptop> !politics
[01:04] <Zinn> All talk of politics is off limits in this channel.  If you must talk about it please go to #off-topic or ##politics .  Talking about it further is a bannable offense.  If you need further info, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[01:04] <Ward1983> aaaah lol
[01:05] <Ward1983> didnt know that, and meant no harm :)
[01:06] <Ward1983> in most channels its ok unless it starts to become a fight
[01:06] <Ward1983> anyway what can be my problem?
[01:06] <tgm4883_laptop>  being the only republican on the internet I have to keep a close eye on it
[01:06] <Ward1983> ie looked everywhere
[01:06] <Ward1983> lol
[01:07] <Ward1983> i have no problem with anyones opinion :) (but i realise not everyone is like me so i understand the rule)
[01:17] <neoneddy> looks like 8.10 fixed some of my issues
[01:28] <Ward1983> lol it doesnt work with my capturecard for some sick reason
[01:44] <Ward1983> anyone still awake in here?
[02:28] <CptFuzzy> has anyone tried installing mythbuntu on top of ubuntu 8.10?  i can't seem to get it to install/setup the mysql stuff...
[03:33] <iamlindoro_> So, anyone using 8.10 w/ static IP finding that since it is handled by the NM applet now instead of /etc/network/interfaces, the IP isn't established early enough and mysql doesn't have anything to bind to, and fails?
[03:36] <tritium> iamlindoro_: you can still configure it in /etc/network/interfaces
[03:39] <tritium> In fact, Intrepid should still ship with "unmanaged" as the default mode.  See /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian
[03:40] <iamlindoro_> tritium, It does not AFAICT
[03:40] <iamlindoro_> all interfaces defaulted to managed here, and changed to interfaces went ignored
[03:40] <iamlindoro_> er changes
[03:40] <iamlindoro_> both in the GUI (reset themselves after reboot) and in /etc/network (ignored altogether)
[03:42] <iamlindoro_> Possible to get the NM stuff to "take" if you uncheck "System Setting," but those settings get set up too late in init for mysql
[03:44] <tritium> iamlindoro_: that's interesting
[03:52] <CptFuzzy> how do i setup the mysql part of a fresh mythtv setup?  no matter what i do, it can't connect to mysql
[03:54] <bronson> My remote is all set up except the Back button doesn't work.
[03:54] <bronson> It works fine in irw.
[03:55] <bronson> When I try to use the MythTV frontend to reassign the key, it just sits there waiting forever for a keypress.
[03:55] <bronson> It sees all other keys but for some reason not the Back key.
[03:56] <bronson> Any ideas what I can do?
[04:00] <rhpot1991> bronson: check the stop button
[04:01] <rhpot1991> you can modify ~/.lirc/mythtv to fix it if thats the case
[04:02] <gregL> CptFuzzy:$ mysql -u root -p < your path to /database/mc.sql
[04:02] <bronson> rhpot1991, the stop button works great.
[04:02] <bronson> For some reason my changes to .lirc/mythtv don't seem to take hold.
[04:03] <bronson> Do I need to restart the front end or the whole computer?
[04:03] <rhpot1991> you need to restart the frontend, possibly gdm
[04:03] <rhpot1991> foxbuntu: ^
[04:03] <foxbuntu> not gdm
[04:03] <foxbuntu> lirc then the frontend
[04:04] <rhpot1991> I normally do gdm to restart my frontend remotely, might be what I'm thinking
[04:05] <bronson> cool, trying
[04:08] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, yeah, its easier than logging in via vnc or something else
[04:08] <Ward1983> why is lircd not running on my mythbuntu 8.10 :s
[04:09] <Ward1983> i setup a remote in mythbuntu control centre
[04:09] <Ward1983> but lircd is just not even running lol
[04:09] <foxbuntu> Ward1983, did you try to restart it?
[04:10] <Ward1983> foxbuntu, i restarted my system after applying those settings to make sure and it still didnt come up, i tried to start it manuallt which worked, only irw didnt start then, that just started a new prompt line
[04:10] <Ward1983> foxbuntu, that what i tried in a nushell
[04:10] <Ward1983> its a creative breakout box btw
[04:11] <Ward1983> from a audigy 2
[04:11] <foxbuntu> Ward1983, from ssh: sudo /etc/init.d/lirc restart && sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[04:12] <Ward1983> foxbuntu, but i cannot do that every time i boot the system :s
[04:14] <foxbuntu> Ward1983, shouldnt need to, got all the updates? post this file to pastebin: /etc/lirc/lircd.conf and /etc/lirc/hardware.conf
[04:14] <Ward1983> foxbuntu,  * Stopping remote control daemon(s): LIRC                               [fail]
[04:14] <Ward1983>  * Loading LIRC modules                                                  [ OK ]
[04:14] <Ward1983>  * Starting remote control daemon(s) : LIRC                              [ OK ]
[04:14] <Ward1983> yep got all the updates
[04:14] <Ward1983> ok will pastebin
[04:16] <Ward1983> http://pastebin.com/m52eccbd5
[04:17] <Ward1983> foxbuntu, http://pastebin.com/m758ca7bf
[04:18] <Ward1983> foxbuntu, could line 6 of the second link be the problem?
[04:18] <Ward1983> lol
[04:19] <foxbuntu> Ward1983, no
[04:19] <Ward1983> damn
[04:19] <Ward1983> why would lircd not start if i setup a remote :s
[04:20] <foxbuntu> Ward1983, are you sure it wasnt running?
[04:21] <Ward1983> foxbuntu, what command would make sure?
[04:21] <Ward1983> ill do a complete reboot to make sure
[04:21] <foxbuntu> reboot clean and then run: ps ax | grep lirc
[04:22] <foxbuntu> pastebin those results
[04:23] <Ward1983> while its rebooting: do you think 512MB DDR (and a Athlon xp 2800+) will do?
[04:23] <Ward1983> i used to run mythtv on my new rig
[04:23] <Ward1983> a core2duo witj 4gb ram
[04:24] <foxbuntu> Ward1983, you doing any HD Video?
[04:24] <Ward1983> nope
[04:24] <Ward1983> and only analog
[04:24] <Ward1983> but im planning to use mythweb again
[04:24] <Ward1983> with flv
[04:24] <Ward1983> and streaming full quality in the homenetwork
[04:25] <Ward1983> foxbuntu, 19947 pts/0    R+     0:00 grep lirc
[04:26] <foxbuntu> Ward1983, ok so lirc isnt running
[04:26] <Ward1983> yep like i was allready fairly afraid of
[04:26] <foxbuntu> hmm
[04:27] <CptFuzzy> do i need the mythtv-backend for mythbuntu?  or is that just for PVR functionality?
[04:27] <Ward1983> where is that stuff located?
[04:27] <foxbuntu> CptFuzzy, it requires at least one backend
[04:27] <Ward1983> foxbuntu could i manually set it to start lircd? where is the file located i should alter?
[04:28] <foxbuntu> Ward1983, something isnt working right, is this a clean install or an upgrade to 8.10 from a previous version?
[04:29] <Ward1983> foxbuntu, clean install, and everyting seemed normal i used ubuntu, debian and mythbuntu before, did tons of installations so that part was all fine
[04:29] <Ward1983> the mythtv settings are good too, tuner works etc
[04:29] <CptFuzzy> why is it the mythbuntu-desktop meta-package doesn't install it?   this makes no sence
[04:29] <CptFuzzy> *sense
[04:30] <Ward1983> thats the desktop alone i think
[04:30] <Ward1983> lol
[04:30] <Ward1983> i use mythbuntu on my old box now because i wanted a allways on tv server :)
[04:30] <Ward1983> so everyone can use it
[04:33] <Ward1983> foxbuntu, any more ideas lol?
[04:33] <Ward1983> this is one retarded problem
[04:33] <Ward1983> i found a bug for 8.04 though
[04:33] <Ward1983> or 7.10 im not sure let me find the link
[04:34] <Ward1983> foxbuntu, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lirc/+bug/123557
[04:34] <foxbuntu> Ward1983, you could just try reinstalling lirc and reconfiguring the remote to see what happens
[04:35] <foxbuntu> !bug 123557
[04:35] <Zinn> Bug 123557 in lirc (Ubuntu) "lirc with livedrive on audigy2 zs" [Undecided, Fix Released] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/123557
[04:35] <Ward1983> foxbuntu, whats the best way to do that in mythbuntu?
[04:35] <foxbuntu> Ward1983, : sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install --reinstall lirc
[04:35] <Ward1983> thanx
[04:36]  * Ward1983 is restarting again
[04:38] <planeracer> hi all
[04:38] <Ward1983> foxbuntu, its still not runnign after a reboot, reinstall went fine
[04:38]  * Ward1983 goes insane
[04:38] <Ward1983> hi planeracer
[04:38] <planeracer> I have a problem with myth install. Can someone help me?
[04:38] <planeracer> hi
[04:39] <Ward1983> whats the problem?
[04:39] <Ward1983> i probleble cant help but if peopel dunno the problem they cant help you :)
[04:40] <planeracer> Im installing 8.04 all goes ok, but at the end it shows me install screen again
[04:40] <Ward1983> 8.10 is out you know that right?
[04:40] <planeracer> yes i saw it
[04:41] <Ward1983> ah ok
[04:41] <planeracer> but what the problem with 8.04?
[04:41] <Ward1983> you mean after isntalling and setting up it shows you the installscreen again?
[04:41] <Ward1983> os after the files and everything are copied?
[04:42] <planeracer> yup, not first install screen. it looks diff. but it shows me 2 icons
[04:42] <Ward1983> just reboot from harddisk
[04:42] <planeracer> i did
[04:42] <Ward1983> got a error or something?
[04:42] <planeracer> it goes to terminal.
[04:43] <Ward1983> i had that once, but i rebooted again and it was fixed
[04:43] <planeracer> no resume image , doing normal boot
[04:43] <Ward1983> thats no error
[04:43] <planeracer> ok
[04:44] <Ward1983> maybe if nothing else is possible make a pic of your screen
[04:44] <Ward1983> and post it somewhere at some free pic hosting
[04:44] <Ward1983> so peopel can see the xact error
[04:44] <planeracer> i tryed maybe 5-6 times to reinstall
[04:44] <Ward1983> hopefully
[04:45] <planeracer> now i reboot, is froze it
[04:45] <Ward1983> froze at no resume image doing normal boot?
[04:45] <Ward1983> thats weird
[04:46] <planeracer> froze at mythbunty at the screen
[04:46] <Ward1983> sure its frozen?
[04:46] <Ward1983> it takes a bit time to boot
[04:46] <planeracer> it stopped, progres bar not moving
[04:47] <planeracer> damn, it use to work ok.
[04:47] <Ward1983> if your sure you can go ask in ubuntu aswell if nobody replies here, they should be able to help you aswell as its a startup problem and probably unrelated to mythtv
[04:47] <Ward1983> also try 8.10
[04:47] <planeracer> any diff between them?
[04:48] <Ward1983> oh something else
[04:48] <Ward1983> try booting in recovery mode
[04:48] <Ward1983> when you see the grub message to press escape blabla, press escpe and choose recovery mode
[04:48] <planeracer> which one i have to download, live cd image or other one?
[04:49] <Ward1983> desktop-proper
[04:49] <planeracer> altenate?
[04:49] <Ward1983> well im sure desktop and proper are in the name lol
[04:49] <Ward1983> dunno what comp do you have?
[04:49] <Ward1983> ram and cpu
[04:49] <planeracer> 64 dual
[04:49] <planeracer> athlon
[04:49] <Ward1983> just the regular one then
[04:50] <planeracer> 1g memory 160g hard
[04:50] <Ward1983> i presume the alternate is the same as the ubuntu alternate cd
[04:50] <Ward1983> should mather much anyway
[04:50] <Ward1983> shouldNT
[04:50] <planeracer> it use to work ok. but now
[04:51] <Ward1983> here lirc doesnt work
[04:51] <Ward1983> the rest works fine
[04:51] <planeracer> im think maybe some prob with memory?
[04:51] <planeracer> pc memory
[04:51] <Ward1983> test it?
[04:51] <Ward1983> you can test it from the mythbuntu cd even :)
[04:51] <Ward1983> its an option in the menu
[04:51] <Ward1983> itsll test you ram
[04:52] <Ward1983> your
[04:52] <planeracer> i did for 18 hours
[04:52] <Ward1983> oh also test your cd while your there anyway :)
[04:52] <Ward1983> LOL 18hours
[04:52] <Ward1983> your rma is fine then lol
[04:52] <planeracer> :)
[04:52] <planeracer> was no errors
[04:52] <planeracer> it was still going
[04:53] <Ward1983> lol
[04:53] <planeracer> what yo choosed on partitioning., guided?
[04:53] <planeracer> manual or so?
[04:54] <Ward1983> your partitioning is fine if it starts to boot
[04:54] <Ward1983> if you get past grub that part is fine
[04:54] <planeracer> im trying to install again
[04:55] <Ward1983> you did that 5 or 6 times
[04:55] <Ward1983> its not gonna help lol
[04:55] <planeracer> i know
[04:55] <Ward1983> just wait for help or try #ubuntu
[04:55] <Ward1983> reisntalling would be wasting time
[04:55] <Ward1983> in the meantime you can download 8.10 and test that one
[04:56] <planeracer> any extra thinks init/
[04:56] <planeracer> ?
[04:57] <planeracer> or more stable?
[05:00] <Ward1983> dunno what you mean
[05:01] <Ward1983> aaaah
[05:01] <Ward1983> well they wouldnt have released it if it wasnt changed
[05:02] <planeracer> it formats hd now, will see it will go or not
[05:04] <Ward1983> im wondering why lircd is not running when i boot
[05:04] <Ward1983> its killing me lol
[05:06] <hads> LOL
[05:06] <hads> Did you really laugh out loud then?
[05:07] <Ward1983> yep
[05:07] <hads> How odd.
[05:07] <Ward1983> luckily im not at the point that im pissed off at it yet
[05:11] <Ward1983> i foudn something
[05:11] <Ward1983> as soon as something tries to use lirc, lircd stops running lol
[05:11] <Ward1983> if i restart it its running fine
[05:11] <Ward1983> then i start irw
[05:11] <Ward1983> which gives me a new lien with a prompt and if i then check licrd is no longer running
[05:11] <Ward1983> same if i start mythtv
[05:12] <Ward1983> what a retarded problem
[05:12] <foxbuntu> Ward1983, what lirc module are you trying to use again?
[05:13] <foxbuntu> ah yes, lirc_i2c
[05:13] <Ward1983> foxbuntu, not sure how you mean that but the hardware was a creative breakout box
[05:13] <Ward1983> foxbuntu, yes and another moodule aswell
[05:13] <Ward1983> lirc_dev
[05:14] <Ward1983> does lirc have logs that might tell me what is going on?
[05:14] <foxbuntu> Ward1983, try starting lirc up and then: sudo modprobe lirc_i2c
[05:15] <Ward1983> foxbuntu, same problem if i then start irw
[05:15] <Ward1983> no more lircd lol
[05:15] <Ward1983> this is sooooo stupid
[05:15] <foxbuntu> Ward1983, did you try what I said?
[05:15] <Ward1983> foxbuntu, yes
[05:16] <Ward1983> foxbuntu, i did what oyu said and then started irx to check if it worked and it didnt :(
[05:16] <foxbuntu> pastebin the output of: dmesg | grep lirc
[05:16] <Ward1983> irw i meant
[05:17] <Ward1983> foxbuntu, http://pastebin.com/m5989491b
[05:17] <planeracer> did anyone uses wireless keyboard with myth?
[05:17] <foxbuntu> Ward1983, and this: ls /dev/lirc*
[05:17] <planeracer> used?
[05:18] <foxbuntu> planeracer, I know people have
[05:18] <Ward1983> foxbuntu, only /dev/lircd
[05:18] <Ward1983> foxbuntu, if i restart it there would be a device though
[05:18] <planeracer> i just got 1 , dont wanna work with it
[05:18] <foxbuntu> Ward1983, restart lirc and look again
 install. whent ok now, that is crazy
[05:19] <Ward1983> foxbuntu, i was wrong no device
[05:19] <foxbuntu> Ward1983, then thats your problem
[05:19] <Ward1983> foxbuntu, yes but why is there no device?
[05:20] <foxbuntu> the module for the your IR receiver is failing or is the wrong one for your hardware
[05:20] <foxbuntu> do some googling to find more info on your specific hardware and lirc
[05:21] <Ward1983> foxbuntu, that is my hardware http://www.tweakers.net/ext/i.dsp/1004913152.jpg
[05:21] <Ward1983> foxbuntu, it is a creative breakout box
[05:21] <Ward1983> foxbuntu, google told me to use that driver
[05:21] <foxbuntu> Ward1983, ok, is it supported by lirc?
[05:21] <Ward1983> :S
[05:21] <Ward1983> i selected it from the list
[05:21] <Ward1983> so yes
[05:22] <Ward1983> i go to mythbuntu control centre
[05:22] <Ward1983> i click infrared devices
[05:22] <Ward1983> its in that list
[05:22] <Ward1983> foxbuntu, ffs sorry apperantly it was still set wrong thats probably why i didnt get a device....
[05:23] <Ward1983> i set it off to see if it helped to re enable it
[05:23] <Ward1983> and it was still off
[05:24] <Ward1983> foxbuntu, nope still no device :(
[05:24] <Ward1983> wtf can this be
[05:25] <foxbuntu> Ward1983, sorry dont know anything about that IR setup, would suggest google/forums to find out more about it and lirc
[05:26] <Ward1983> allready tried that :( thanx anyway
[05:26] <foxbuntu> until you can get a module to load and create the device node lircd wont start
[05:26] <Ward1983> google todl me it was supported so i put it into that pc
[07:41] <MythbuntuGuest99> hey guys
[07:43] <MythbuntuGuest99> i just installed mythbuntu on a 3 year old toshiba laptop
[07:46] <MythbuntuGuest99> all was working fine until i updated the system
[07:47] <MythbuntuGuest99> and now i have no sound
[07:48] <MythbuntuGuest99> can anyone please help me?
[07:49] <laga> what version did you install?
[07:50] <MythbuntuGuest99> i've tried all the forums and all the recommended steps
[07:50] <MythbuntuGuest99> no 1?
[07:50] <laga> 8.04, 8.10?
[07:54] <MythbuntuGuest99> 8.10
[07:56] <laga> hum
[07:56] <laga> try posting in the forums, i have no clue about that one
[07:59] <MythbuntuGuest99> oh ok, is there a way to roll back updates? it was just working fine about an hour ago
[08:00] <laga> you'd have to find out which package broke it
[08:00] <MythbuntuGuest99> and with the update it killed it
[08:00] <laga> can you check sound levels in alsamixer?
[08:01] <laga> also, if there's an M below a mixer then it's "muted"
[08:06] <MythbuntuGuest99> so it should say 00 under the mixer rather than MM?
[10:57] <linux_trojan> I was wondering if Mythtv is easy to install and configure?  just point and click?
[11:05] <laga> no, it's not
[11:13] <linux_trojan> does it come packaged with UBUNTU or is it a different OS?
[12:25] <Johnny_B1991> Hi, can i ask something plz
[12:26] <Johnny_B1991> has anybody noticed that when you install Ubuntu over mythbuntu 8.10 (this is through the mythbuntu control centre, when u click on the 'ubuntu-desktop' option.), the amount of new packages installed is significantly less than when u do the same thing in mythbuntu 8.04
[12:29] <Johnny_B1991> ?
[12:29] <Johnny_B1991> btw, core packages like pidgin and open office to name a few are missed out
[12:29] <Johnny_B1991> i think in 8.04, 800-ish extra packages were installed but in 8.10 its more like 100-ish
[12:32] <MythbuntuGuest11> hey quick qn, hoe come your  iso release is smaller than the official release. Isnt mythbuntu just ubuntu + mythTV
[12:32] <MythbuntuGuest11> plus a bit of integration smarts
[12:32] <Johnny_B1991> i think cos mythbuntu doesnt include openoffice ando other nonessential stuff
[12:32] <Johnny_B1991> non-essential for a media-centre that is
[12:33] <MythbuntuGuest11> okay so it's nothing low level it'll only be userspace stuff like openoffice etc that will not b there
[12:33] <Johnny_B1991> think so
[12:34] <MythbuntuGuest11> hmm might dlow ubuntu and then add mtyhbuntu retrospcetively unless anyone knows a list of what exactly is missing
[12:34] <Johnny_B1991> yes
[12:35] <Johnny_B1991> because i think the option to add a standard ubuntu install to mythbuntu is broken
[12:35] <Johnny_B1991> cos i did it and it installed gnome ok, but missed out loads of other packages compared to 8.04
[12:35] <Johnny_B1991> like openoffice etc.
[12:36] <MythbuntuGuest11> oh really, u saying that one cant dload/install 8.10 and then add mythbuntu atm?
[12:37] <Johnny_B1991> no you can
[12:38] <Johnny_B1991> what im saying is that within MYTHBUNTU 8.10, there is an option to convert/upgrade it, to a standard ubuntu installation, i.e. installing gnome and all the other packages, whilst still retaining mythtv
[12:39] <Johnny_B1991> but i think its slightly broken in 8.10, as loads of packages didnt install
[12:39] <Johnny_B1991> they werent even marked for download
[12:39] <Johnny_B1991> gnome works ok tho
[12:39] <MythbuntuGuest11> k, might start with plain vanilla ubuntu and then add mythbuntu, tnk mate
[12:40] <Johnny_B1991> ye
[12:40] <Johnny_B1991> or use 8.04 and then upgrade
[12:40] <Johnny_B1991> worked fine in that
[12:41] <MythbuntuGuest11> did for me until i decided to activate nvidia binary drivers and now it no longers boots back in, hence the reason for this discussion
[12:41] <Johnny_B1991> nvidia works fine on my system
[12:46] <MythbuntuGuest90> sorry did someone reposnd to my last post, i accidently refreshed and lost everything..
[14:14] <Ward1983> lircd simply stops if i start irw or mythtv
[14:15] <Ward1983> what can be the problem? the settings should be correct
[14:15] <Ward1983> im using a audigy 2 so i used creative breakoutbox as the device
[14:21] <Easy_Rider9999> hallo DVB-T does not work! Backend setup finds the channels but when I start the frontend it shows signal 32% but no picture!
[16:00] <d1g1t> !help
[16:00] <Zinn> Use ! followed by a topic to get help on the topic (if it exists) example: !logs.  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].  For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi
[16:01] <massabuntu> Hi, someone can help me? I have a problem to start livetv and and  don't get why    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6103113#post6103113
[16:40] <spoky99> hi all
[16:44] <spoky99> hi all
[16:45] <spoky99> hi laga
[16:45] <JoeTheSocialist> !ask
[16:45] <Zinn> Please don't ask if anyone is around or if it is alright to ask a question.  Many people check back periodically and may answer your question when they see it.  IRC is not normally an instant fix so check back often for an answer.
[16:46] <spoky99> I had a problem starting livetv, someone can help me?
[16:46] <JoeTheSocialist> !blank%
[16:46] <Zinn> If you try to watch tv and are greeted with a blank screen and a return to the menu then please check the permissions on your recording directory.  It should be owned by mythtv:mythtv, have permissions of 775, and not be inside your home directory
[16:46] <JoeTheSocialist> that sound about right?
[16:46] <Seeker`> I think X is grsbbing my remote input before lirc does
[16:46] <spoky99> I use one ntfs partition :(
[16:47] <Seeker`> it seems to register my remote as a mouse
[16:47] <JoeTheSocialist> spoky99: check your permissions on it
[16:47] <spoky99> the permission is set to 777
[16:48] <JoeTheSocialist> you could try to sudo su mythtv
[16:48] <JoeTheSocialist> and then try to make a file there, to verify permissions are ok
[16:48] <JoeTheSocialist> might be something with ntfs, I'm not entirely sure
[16:49] <spoky99> the permission is ok
[16:50] <spoky99> launcing mythfrontend from terminal I see this error:
[16:50] <spoky99> 2008-11-04 17:29:04.599 TV: Attempting to change from None to WatchingLiveTV
[16:50] <spoky99> 2008-11-04 17:29:04.599 Using protocol version 40
[16:50] <spoky99> 2008-11-04 17:29:05.716 GetEntryAt(-1) failed.
[16:50] <spoky99> 2008-11-04 17:29:05.716 EntryToProgram(0@Thu Jan 1 01:00:00 1970) failed to get pginfo
[16:50] <spoky99> 2008-11-04 17:29:05.716 TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started
[16:50] <spoky99> 2008-11-04 17:29:05.717 TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started
[16:50] <spoky99> 2008-11-04 17:29:05.802 TV: Deleting TV Chain in destructor
[16:50] <spoky99> 2008-11-04 17:29:05.807 DPMS Deactivated
[16:50] <spoky99> 2008-11-04 17:29:05.807 DPMS Reactivated.
[16:51] <foxbuntu> !pastebin | spoky99
[16:51] <Zinn> spoky99: when pasting more than 5 lines of data please use http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com so you don't flood the channel.  Then please post the link in the channel.
[16:52] <spoky99> hi superm1
[16:52] <spoky99> reading in the terminal i see "failed to get pgp info"
[16:53] <spoky99> is this the problem?
[16:56] <spoky99> launcing mythfilldatabase I read some channel that I don't set in the grabtv file, and... I really don't know how they are write
[16:58] <spoky99> O-o
[17:00] <spoky99> foxbuntu: excuse me.. I understand it later :(
[17:04] <Seeker`> spoky99: I had that error just now - ran mythfilldatabase and the problem was fixed
[17:08] <spoky99> Seeker`: I had the same error http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m288eaeb6
[17:10] <spoky99> Seeker`: into ~/.mythtv/alfa.xmltv isn't any iris or raisat and this channel isn't also into the mythtv-setup channel
[17:11] <spoky99> Seeker`: I' searcng it with grep -r.. but it thake a lot of time :(
[17:12] <spoky99> Seeker`: I also try to don't use the grab tool... but the problem is the same... the live tv don't start
[17:17] <Seeker`> any ideas about my remote problem?
[17:26] <spoky99> Seeker`: for your remote... I use one mythbuntu tool make for remote problem.. but I don't remember it's name
[17:27] <spoky99> Seeker`: My be that was made by superm1 ;)
[17:27] <superm1> hi spoky99
[17:27] <spoky99> hi: superm1
[17:27] <spoky99> :D
[17:31] <spoky99> ummm
[17:31] <spoky99> superm1: did you read my problem?
[17:32] <superm1> spoky99, no i didn't. lets see
[17:32] <spoky99> superm1: I solver it now... I set mythtv for use one ntfs partition in my computer and.. this is not supported from mythtv
[17:32] <superm1> oh okay
[17:33] <psicobra> hi guys
[17:33] <psicobra> i have just installed 8.10 and things arent working to well
[17:34] <psicobra> my mouse isn't i can't click on the applications menu for example
[17:34] <psicobra> aaaaaaafin...0
[17:34] <psicobra> was fine in 8.04
[17:35] <superm1> mouse doesn't work?
[17:35] <superm1> that's bzr...
[17:35] <superm1> does it work on the live disk?
[17:35] <spoky99> superm1: the user and groups of the ntfs directory are "root plugdev" and.. I'm not in able to change it in mythtv :(
[17:36] <psicobra> well it moves but clicking and draging stuff aint right
[17:36] <psicobra> i click aplications the button moves but no drop down menu
[17:37] <psicobra> i right clik i get a menu but not the applications 1
[17:37] <spoky99> psicobra: I solve it setting the font 7point and.. restarting the xfce manager
[17:39] <psicobra> nope
[17:39] <spoky99> psicobra: My be that I understand other thing.. I'm not english.. excuse me
[17:41] <psicobra> but it worked in previous bersion of mythbuntu
[17:41] <psicobra> i also can't drag windows
[17:41] <psicobra> they dont move
[17:41] <psicobra> where do i change font
[17:48] <spoky99> superm1: I solve it :D
[17:49] <spoky99> superm1: I make the ntfs partiton writable for the "other" using ntfs-tool" and now it work :D
[17:51] <spoky99> superm1: into the 8.04 and 8.10 aren't tool for the ntfs
[17:52] <superm1> spoky99, by default you mean?
[17:54] <spoky99> superm1: yes.. i don't hav the same problem whit the older distr
[17:54] <superm1> ntfs support isn't something we track at all
[17:54] <superm1> or will likely be changing anytime soon
[17:55] <superm1> since it's such a rare case for people to mix myth boxes with ntfs
[17:56] <spoky99> superm1: i know... I use it... because whit linux I'm not in able to wakeup the computer whit acpi
[17:56] <spoky99> superm1: acpi d'ont work in my mobo
[17:57] <spoky99> superm1: I'm now trying whit nvram-wakeup..
[17:57] <superm1> oh that's too bad on acpi
[17:57] <Ward1983> lircd just stops working when i start irw or anything else that uses it
[17:58] <spoky99> superm1: acpi work.. but I'm not in able to set the day, take only the hour
[17:58] <spoky99> superm1: Is a bios problem :(
[17:58] <spoky99> superm1: but with nvram-wakeup... mybe work :D
[17:59] <spoky99> bye
[17:59] <superm1> cya spoky99
[17:59] <spoky99> I could go take my baby
[17:59] <spoky99> ciao superMario!
[17:59] <spoky99> :D
[18:40] <paulnrach> hi can anybody help get rid of blue lines on playback?
[18:41] <paulnrach> (dvd)
[19:09] <ajhtiredwolf> hey im about to build a mythbuntu box for someone, anyone know a card that is really well supported by ubuntu and mythbuntu?
[19:09] <ajhtiredwolf> tvtuner i mean *
[19:11] <jphillip> !tuner | ajhtiredwolf
[19:11] <Zinn> ajhtiredwolf: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Tuner_Card#Cards_that_work
[19:16] <ajhtiredwolf> yeah i know :P but does anyone have a recommendation
[19:22] <jphillip> pvr-xxx for SD, HDHR for HD
[19:23] <jphillip> pvr series is end of life so they are hard to find
[19:31] <paulnrach> anyone hellp with a thin blue line on dvd playback?
[22:07] <spoky99> hi all
[23:09] <g0d> hi guys I am new to mythbuntu
[23:09] <g0d> can someone please help me? I am having gfx problems
[23:09] <g0d> the log says:
[23:09] <g0d> AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual
[23:10] <g0d> and everything is blurry and with lines
[23:10] <g0d> I got an ATI x800 pro
[23:10] <g0d> any ideas?


[07:30] <homebrewcider> Hi, I can't install a program in lubuntu as I have no adminstrator rights, I entr my password at the prompt but I keep getting told it is wrong
[07:31] <homebrewcider> can anyone help
[07:31] <bioterror> can you login with that password?
[07:31] <homebrewcider> yes
[07:33] <bioterror> it's hard to install anything without admin rights
[07:51] <homebrewcider> fixed that one myself
[07:54] <bioterror> homebrewcider, what was the problem, then?
[07:55] <homebrewcider> wrong mode, fixed it with pkexec after MUCH googling
[07:55] <homebrewcider> onto the next problem now
[07:56] <homebrewcider> that is , I can ping the lubuntu machine form another machine on the network, but can't see it by Krusader or VNC
[07:58] <kanliot> homebrewcider, did you install file sharing and vnc server?
[07:59] <homebrewcider> I can log in via putty
[07:59] <homebrewcider> obviously not haha
[07:59] <homebrewcider> lubuntu comes real "light" doesn't it
[07:59] <homebrewcider> that's the whole point I suppose
[08:01] <kanliot> i'm writing a wiki on lubuntu, there's a partial guide on vnc here
[08:01] <kanliot> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/3rdParty
[08:01] <kanliot> i
[08:01] <kanliot> am not sure if it's up to date
[08:01] <kanliot> in terms of file sharing, you have 2 options.  Samba, and NFS, use whichever is easier
[08:02] <homebrewcider> well I'm gonna need NFS anyway
[08:03] <kanliot> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo
[08:06] <homebrewcider> no joy with vnc yet
[08:09] <homebrewcider> on the computer I am talking to yu on, not the one with lubuntu on (from where I want to access lubuntu) I have used vnc before to access the previious operating system on what is now the lubuntu computer (if that makes sense) so I assume everything there is okay
[08:09] <homebrewcider> reading that back, that makes no sense
[08:11] <kanliot> !ask
[08:12] <homebrewcider> trying to word it properly, here goes
[08:14] <homebrewcider> how can I test port 22, I see that mentioned a lot
[08:15] <homebrewcider> to check if it is "open"
[08:15] <kanliot> what's port 22 used 4
[08:16] <homebrewcider> the guide you linked to me mentioned to set up forwarding for that port
[08:16] <kanliot> well i didn't read it
[08:17] <kanliot> have you installed any firewall software on lubuntu, and how many routers/firewalls are between you and your lubuntu pc
[08:17] <kanliot> ?
[08:18] <homebrewcider> just a network switch
[08:18] <kanliot> so 0
[08:19] <kanliot> !ask
[08:37] <homebrewcider> the last question I asked was how I can check port 22
[08:39] <kanliot> no need 2 but if you really want to check i can help
[08:40] <kanliot> you want?
[09:03] <homebrewcider> if there is no need, then no
[09:07] <kanliot> next oversensitive user please
[14:21] <jamanta> hello!
[14:22] <jamanta> im having troble with lubuntu systray if anyone wants to help
[14:23] <jamanta> when pc starts i have an error saying:hplib no systray detected
[14:26] <jamanta> i tried to reinstal the lxpanel
[14:27] <jamanta> no idea what to do, im new to this system
[14:27] <jamanta> cant find documentation
[14:28] <jamanta> any ideas?
[14:47] <wowtis> Hello, how can I make LXDE look good?
[14:48] <holstein> wowtis: good is a matter of opinion... if you have specific needs, we can help! most folks appreciate the minimal look and feel of LXDE... if minimal is not your goal, you might want to try another environment
[14:48] <holstein> i find when most folks "trick-out" LXDE, it can feel heavy again
[14:48] <wowtis> No, I like LXDE minimal, just need a way to "spice it up" a bit.
[14:49] <wowtis> It looks a bit plain atm.
[14:49] <holstein> wowtis: sure.. just ask
[14:49] <wowtis> ?
[14:50] <holstein> wowtis: just ask what you are looking for.. "i would like to run these icons in LXDE" for example
[14:51] <jamanta> im having troble with lubuntu systray if anyone wants to help
[14:51] <wowtis> Does conky work well with LXDE?
[14:51] <holstein> wowtis: should be fine.. ive used it in LXDE with no issues
[14:51] <wowtis> Okay
[14:52] <wowtis> Anyone have a config I can use?
[14:52] <holstein> gnome look has themes for LXDE http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=146674
[14:53] <holstein> wowtis: theres a default config
[14:53] <holstein> http://www.techdrivein.com/2010/12/13-breathtaking-conky-configurations.html
[14:53] <wowtis> Ah, cool.
[14:54] <holstein> jamanta: just ask... with issues like that, i typically create a new user and log in as that new user to help troubleshoot... if the issue is not there are the new user, the i know the issue is like in the user specific config
[14:56] <wowtis> IS LXDE written in C?
[14:57] <jamanta> tx
[14:57] <holstein> wowtis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LXDE says it is... its open, so you can look and see for yourself
[16:35] <leszek> hi
[18:57] <silverarrow> what is terminal emulator in lxde?
[18:57] <wxl> silverarrow: lxterminal
[18:58] <silverarrow> I`m outsmarted by spambot questions lol
[18:58] <holstein> http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXTerminal
[18:58] <silverarrow> thanks
[18:58] <silverarrow> I have now registered for the lxde forum
[18:59] <silverarrow> perhaps somone there knows about battery indicator
[18:59] <holstein> silverarrow: for ppc?
[18:59] <holstein> i would say that.. there might be some different powermanagement hardware in action there
[19:00] <silverarrow> yes
[19:00] <silverarrow> I have googeling up and down the web, but cannot find any good info
[19:09] <silverarrow> what is the easymode application launcher in lxde?
[19:17] <holstein> silverarrow: easymode?
[19:18] <holstein> silverarrow: http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXLauncher
[19:19] <holstein> like a netbook type thing...
[19:20] <silverarrow> thanks
[19:26] <silverarrow> I still hope someone fixes gecko mplayer for powerpc
[19:26] <holstein> silverarrow: no one is going to fix anything for PPC
[19:27] <silverarrow> they really should
[19:27] <holstein> you could get into it and likely help maintain the community supported version
[19:27] <silverarrow> compiling
[19:28] <wxl> i wouldn't say nobody
[19:28] <silverarrow> I am not clever enough
[19:28] <wxl> but it's not a high priority
[19:29] <silverarrow> I was told to install debian and make bug reports there
[19:29] <silverarrow> they have a few on their team still testing fairly well for powerpc
[19:29] <wxl> i don't know that i entirely agree with that. it can't hurt, i guess, but really anything that requires upstream changes should be pushed upstream once it hits launchpad.
[19:29] <holstein> silverarrow: thats a great place to start... there is no offical ubuntu ppc
[19:30] <silverarrow> if packages are fixed there, they would most likely be fixed for lubuntu too
[19:30] <wxl> likely but not necessarily
[19:30] <wxl> the ubuntu package management team would need to pick up the slack
[19:31] <wxl> on the other hand, if it's pushed by ubuntu in the first place, then they already know what's going on
[19:31] <silverarrow> I discovered there is quite a large aftermarked for powerpc laptops
[19:31] <silverarrow> batteries, replacement chargers are still sold
[19:32] <holstein> silverarrow: you can buy legacy hardware.. thats not in the debate
[19:32] <holstein> the fact is, there is no offical ubuntu PPC
[19:32] <holstein> apple is not supporting the OS that was released on that hardware anymore
[19:34] <silverarrow> there are still updates arriving for tiger and leopard
[19:34] <holstein> its not really ubuntu's place to provide replacement OS's for legacy hardware
[19:34] <wxl> saying that it's not official does not mean it's not valid, though, or that no one cares
[19:34] <wxl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ#Is_Ubuntu_supported_on_PowerPC.3F
[19:34] <holstein> there are some distros like that though silverarrow
[19:34] <holstein> sure.. its "valid" and you can support it
[19:34] <holstein> its not going to ever be officially supported though
[19:35] <wxl> you mean there's no reason to suspect it will be in the near future
[19:35] <wxl> unless you have powers of precognition that i lack
[19:35] <silverarrow> most apps works fine
[19:36] <wxl> i have the same problem with "officially supported" as i do with "lts." their meaning tends to be given a lot of weight, whereas in reality, they don't pack a lot of punch.
[19:36] <silverarrow> it`s media players in browser that needs constant finetuning to work
[19:36] <holstein> sure, for me the punch is here.. if you want a dev to "fix" something, and its not officially supported, it wont be.. a community member will have to be motivated to "fix" it
[19:37] <silverarrow> yeah, I had the same issue with xfburn on regular pc
[19:37] <wxl> oh i disagree with that, holstein. you forget that the devs are community members.
[19:37] <holstein> sure.. but the ones getting paid are *not* going to fix anything PPC, unless they want to take free time and do it
[19:37] <wxl> that much is true
[19:37] <holstein> as a community member, and not an employee
[19:37] <holstein> they will not be paid to fix any PPC issues
[19:38] <holstein> they *can*, just like anyone can
[19:38] <holstein> but that community is getting smaller and smaller.. the ppc users
[19:38] <silverarrow> it was always very small to begin with
[19:38] <silverarrow> most still use tiger and leopard
[19:43] <silverarrow> anyhow, I think I have found something for the battery indicator
[19:44] <silverarrow> ppc support is a bit daft here
[19:44] <silverarrow> ;- )
[19:47] <silverarrow> for reboot and hopefully a working battery indicator
[19:51] <silverarrow> working !!!
[19:51] <silverarrow> I think I have about 2-3 hours on the new battery
[19:52] <silverarrow> I have to note down the time more carefully
[20:05] <silverarrow> unfortunate thing is you have to stick to a distro for a while to get to know it, and make it work properly
[20:05] <silverarrow> at least for an amateur just wanting something different
[20:16] <silverarrow> if I switch to debian it will be all new
[20:16] <silverarrow> but maybe interesting
[20:30] <wxl> silverarrow: my experience was that mintppc is the only thing that works well.
[20:31] <silverarrow> it is?
[20:31] <silverarrow> I have read the mint ppc forum and hardly anything works there either
[20:31] <wxl> out of all of the "official" and unofficial ppc distros out there, it was the one that i found that worked the best.
[20:32] <silverarrow> I mean the main issue with ppc is media streams in browser, like youtube, online tv...
[20:32] <wxl> i had no better luck with debian than i did with lubuntu.
[20:32] <wxl> and i'm not referring to just media streams, but i mean EVERYTHING.
[20:33] <silverarrow> I know the older, and less specs than G4s have some trouble with graphics,
[20:33] <silverarrow> with lubuntu at least, but it is a case of getting the right setting
[20:33] <silverarrow> I  have a ibook G4
[20:33] <silverarrow> low on specs too
[20:33] <wxl> powerbook g4 here
[20:34] <silverarrow> which is better than the ibook
[20:34] <silverarrow> I have 1.42GHz cpu and 512MB RAM
[20:35] <silverarrow> I cannot make up my mind if it is worth getting more ram
[20:35] <wxl> imho hardware is no a problem
[20:35] <wxl> it's more an issue of software support for it
[20:35] <zleap> silverarrow, depends on what you're running i guess
[20:35] <silverarrow> there are at least three guys who swear by debian on G3 ppc
[20:36] <silverarrow> however I would happily try mintppc
[20:36] <silverarrow> wxl, you are in mintppc now?
[20:37] <silverarrow> 512MB is not a lot at all, but monitoring in htp I can hardly push RAM much above 300MB
[20:37] <silverarrow> at least in lubuntu
[20:37] <wxl> silverarrow: i'm on nothing. i could find no software that could really get the thing to function as a modern web browser. my intent was to give it to my daughter, but there's no way she's playing web games on a ppc.
[20:37] <zleap> raspberry pi seems to work well on 256,   running debian and lxde i think
[20:38] <silverarrow> wxl, true webgames would be an isse
[20:38] <silverarrow> major one
[20:38] <wxl> zleap: since you're jumping in here, i should warn you this is not necessarily a discussion of minimal hardware needed, but a discussion about ppc.
[20:38] <silverarrow> I don`t game much tough
[20:38] <wxl> well if you want to do anything that's flash based, which is so much of the web these days…
[20:38] <silverarrow> mostly the ibook is for writing, it is still very nice there
[20:39] <silverarrow> true, every flash related package for ppc is broken
[20:39] <silverarrow> mozilla plugin for gnash
[20:39] <silverarrow> gecko-mplayer
[20:39] <silverarrow> mini-tube crashes
[20:40] <wxl> i tried them all myself
[20:40] <wxl> for that matter i tried to get java to work too
[20:40] <silverarrow> midori and gnash works
[20:40] <silverarrow> fine
[20:40] <wxl> even going so far as jumping through the hoops to get ibm java
[20:40] <silverarrow> java works fine here, with iced tea
[20:40] <wxl> it depends on what you're using
[20:40] <wxl> small apps, no problem
[20:40] <silverarrow> my bank works, and what I have tested
[20:41] <silverarrow> java test page runs fine
[20:42] <silverarrow> there is a bank ID test that crashes in firefox
[20:42] <silverarrow> which it should not
[20:42] <silverarrow> comes out fine in midori for some reason, and shows "you are running os x and safari"
[20:42] <wxl> hah
[20:42] <silverarrow> which is a bit on the weird side
[20:43] <silverarrow> flash media streams needs fine tuning on each new release
[20:44] <silverarrow> powerpc just don`t get the attention or even feed back to devs
[20:44] <silverarrow> some really hate the idea of keep up powerpc
[20:45] <bioterror> move to debian with the ppc
[20:45] <silverarrow> they get annoyed
[20:45] <bioterror> it might even have some interested users
[20:45] <silverarrow> like bioterror,
[20:45] <silverarrow> I can feel his head getting red
[20:45] <wxl> there are at least a few ppc testers of lubuntu
[20:46] <silverarrow> wxl, sounds promising
[20:46] <wxl> and moreso, it seems that xubuntu and ubuntu ppc users are moving to lubuntu
[20:46] <wxl> lubuntu is quickly becoming the de facto canonical distro for ppc
[20:47] <silverarrow> I though unity would be a bit too much for the old hardware
[20:47] <bioterror> silverarrow, nope, my head is not getting red
[20:47] <silverarrow> oh, it is the irritation of your heart perhas
[20:47] <bioterror> I'm just pointing you to the right direction
[20:47] <silverarrow> yeah maybe
[20:49] <silverarrow> but the other day I was described as ausitic wanting to keep the ibook alive with linux
[20:51] <silverarrow> debian have the desktop with the mouse for ppc
[20:51] <silverarrow> they have loads of builds, but as close to running out of the box option


[10:55] <TLE> dpm: hey
[10:56] <TLE> if there is any way of turning down the bass a little bit on the UDS audion feeds, that might be good
[11:15] <dpm> TLE, I'll see if I can catch someone from IS to look into this. Is it the same in all rooms?
[11:16] <andrejz> @dpm: i added some notes in the etherpad
[11:16] <dpm> excellent, thanks andrejz, I really appreciate this
[11:17] <andrejz> no problem
[11:17] <andrejz> i was wondering what will happen with things that weren't finished last cycle
[11:17] <andrejz> like translations portal
[11:55] <TLE> dpm: don't know
[11:57] <dpm> andrejz, the translations portal will be finished, don't worry. It is just waiting for the IS team to deploy it after the request I submitted a month ago, but they are busy right now
[12:47] <TLE> Hey, I have a problem with Gtranslator in Natty, but I want to make sure it is not because I upgraded. Anyone in here that uses gtranslator on a clean natty install?
[12:48] <andrejz> installing right now for you, TLE ;)
[12:50] <TLE> andrejz: you are a pal
[12:50] <andrejz> first thing to note, if i type gtranslator in the dash, software center opens and the package has a quesiton mark and i can't install it
[12:51] <TLE> ....
[12:51] <TLE> oh my
[12:51] <andrejz> but if i type the name in software center it works :)
[12:51] <andrejz> what do you want to knwo
[12:51] <andrejz> know
[12:51] <andrejz> it opens, that's for sure
[12:52] <TLE> if you open a file in ti
[12:52] <TLE> ctrl-shift-page up and down is supposed to to go next or previous untranslated or fuzzy
[12:52] <TLE> does that work for you?
[12:54] <andrejz> hm, wait a second i get a plural forms error for some reason, need to sort that out first
[12:57] <andrejz> ok, seems line break between poedit and gtranslator are somewhat uncompatible
[12:59] <andrejz> no it doesn't work
[12:59] <andrejz> but it works if i click in the menu
[13:00] <TLE> there shouldn't be any incomtibilities between poedit and gtranslator, either they produce valid po-files or they don't
[13:00] <TLE> ok, thanks
[13:01] <TLE> I'll proceed to make a bugreport
[13:02] <andrejz> hm, one of my files opens fine in poedit but not in gtranslator, need to investigate further but it seems they break lines differently in the head of the po file
[13:02] <andrejz> For slovenian the plural forms string is rather long"Plural-Forms: nplurals=4; plural=(n%100==1 ? 0 : n%100==2 ? 1 : n%100==3 || n%100==4 ? 2 : 3);\n"
[13:02] <TLE> ach so
[13:03] <TLE> that might be a bug
[13:03] <andrejz> so it gets broken differently
[13:03] <andrejz> in other languages string is shorter and so there shouldn't be these problems
[13:04] <rhce7320> I'm confused by the 2 last paragraphs of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/KnowledgeBase/LaunchpadTeam#TeamCommunication  .Is it suggesting that a team SHOULD or SHOULD NOT have a launchpad-based mailing list?
[13:07] <andrejz> it's recommended but not required
[13:07] <andrejz> you can have any mailing list you want
[13:08] <rhce7320> andrejz: tks.  So one in my private 3ld is OK?
[13:09] <andrejz> i guess. this is for your team to communicate amongst yourselves
[13:09] <andrejz> whatever works best for you
[13:09] <andrejz> by you i mean your team
[13:11] <andrejz> TLE, you there?
[13:11] <andrejz> maybe you can test poedit for me ;)
[13:12] <andrejz> i get this error when saving a .po file / closing the program
[13:12] <andrejz> DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery
[13:12] <TLE> andrejz: yup, maybe in like 30 min?
[13:13] <andrejz> sure
[13:46] <andrejz> @TLE: i managed to slove the problem, something with my config was messed up
[13:46] <andrejz> thx anyways
[13:46] <TLE> andrejz: ok
[13:47] <TLE> andrejz: wait, in poedit of gtranslator?
[13:50] <andrejz> poedit
[13:52] <TLE> ok
[13:53] <happyaron> why not use po.vim for vim or po-mode for emacs? it will really speed up your work if you are familiar with them.
[13:57] <andrejz> i am not familiar with them :)
[13:57] <andrejz> it's quite sad that development of both gtranslator and poedit is almost at a stall for the past couple of years
[13:59] <happyaron> I was frustrated by gtranslator, and started to use vim, and found those tools are what I want.
[14:02] <andrejz> maybe some resources could be diverted to develop one of these programs
[14:02] <askhl> I thought gtranslator was under quite active development
[14:03] <andrejz> @happaron: do you mind telling the exact name of the package (po.vim) ?
[14:03] <TLE> happyaron: emacs po-mode are lacking several things that I ended up missing
[14:03] <TLE> askhl: semi
[14:03] <askhl> Anyway, the emacs po-mode isn't very actively developed, but it gets the job done very well
[14:03] <askhl> (IMHO)
[14:03] <andrejz> @hapyaron: does vim have spellcheck?
[14:04] <happyaron> andrejz: http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=695
[14:04] <TLE> happyaron: insert from translations library, insert tags or variables from msgid
[14:04] <andrejz> thanks
[14:04] <TLE> I don't know about the vim mode
[14:04] <happyaron> you can setup spell check with aspell or whatever you like with vim
[14:05] <happyaron> TLE: no, neither of them have the ability
[14:05] <TLE> happyaron: also in a manner that will ignore everything else than the msgstr, which is what you want
[14:06] <happyaron> well, I don't think there is a good opensource implementation of translation memory, while launchpad is one of the best works
[14:06] <TLE> askhl: gtranslator is _maintained_, but afaiu without enough resources to implement new things
[14:06] <TLE> gtranslator has one that works fine
[14:06] <TLE> happyaron: ^^
[14:07] <happyaron> TLE: on my computer, it's always broken because of bug or whatever...
[14:07] <TLE> you do need to download the po-file that you want to form the library from
[14:07] <TLE> happyaron: resently?
[14:08] <TLE> the reqrote the entire core at some point and I have not had problems with crashes since
[14:08] <TLE> rewrote
[14:08] <happyaron> not sure about the current status, till 10.04 it's broken, haven't tried after that
[14:08] <TLE> I think that was about the time, works fine now, also has an interface to opentran
[14:08] <TLE> oh well, gotta go, cookies
[14:09] <happyaron> we've cooked out a perl utility named po2db, to import all translation files to sqlite database, and we can perform many checks using SQL
[14:23] <andrejz> dpm i was wondering what happens with other ideas which are not going to be discussed at UDS
[14:25] <dpm> hey andrejz. Any idea can be implemented in the cycle, as long as there is someone proposing and driving it, although it would be much more useful to previously discussing it at UDS. What were you thinking of?
[14:26] <andrejz> copying from the wiki the ones which seem most interesting to me
[14:27] <andrejz> Extend the translations reporting site (DavidPlanella)
[14:27] <andrejz> Continuation of the Lucid blueprint on how to improve how we report translation status for Ubuntu
[14:27] <andrejz> Developer education on localization (DavidPlanella)
[14:27] <andrejz> Get feedback on the creation of a resource with developer reference on localization, extending the internationalization guide.
[14:27] <andrejz> Universe is translatable in Launchpad (DavidPlanella)
[14:27] <andrejz> Session to assess if it's desirable to make all localized applications from universe also translatable in Launchpad, not only those from the main repository.
[14:27] <andrejz> Previous spec
[14:27] <andrejz> Proactive bug detection
[14:27] <andrejz> Fixed schedule for translation updates
[14:27] <andrejz> Creating a localized help.ubuntu.com
[14:30] <happyaron> universe translateable? that will generate a big amount of bug reports then...
[14:33] <andrejz> @happyaron: IMO not whole universe should be translatable, mabye most important /used packages
[14:33] <andrejz> for some upstream packages is PITA to sumbit translations
[14:33] <andrejz> e.g. Wine
[14:33] <andrejz> or translating ccsm in compiz upstream
[14:34] <kelemengabor> andrejz: where are these things on the wiki?
[14:35] <andrejz> @kelemengabor: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/UDS
[14:35] <kelemengabor> andrejz: wait, this is from last year
[14:35] <happyaron> I am really looking forward to a translatable help.u.c
[14:36] <andrejz> oops, haven't noticed it before
[14:37] <andrejz> surprisingly things haven't changed much in 1 year
[14:39] <happyaron> I think the topic on translating universe has been mentioned several years, with no real progress because people is really really busy about other things.
[14:40] <andrejz> that's always the problem, everybody is busy ;)
[14:41] <andrejz> i think it's because voluenteers want to work so they always fill their plate to almost full
[14:42] <dpm> andrejz, yeah, these were proposals (not all were picked up after UDS) for Maverick
[14:43] <happyaron> time for every individual is limited, especially for volunteers they need to earn a living first. And there are too many things to do to achieve a better l10n/i18n status.
[14:44] <andrejz> @happyaron: hopefully in a couple of years canonical will be big profitable company and will be able to hire community translators ;)
[14:52] <happyaron> andrejz: yes... I think Canonical should think seriously about hiring people to ensure the software they developed to be in good shape, as rh and novell have already done
[14:53] <happyaron> canonical is maintaining more and more self-developed software now, unity, indicator-* ubiquity and many documents.
[17:13] <goof2092> hi all
[17:14] <goof2092> need help with a pointer where I can get the gnome glossary. Need to use it as a template for new translation guides for our Bemba team


[02:53] <BenC> ogasawara: I have the powerpc-e500mc flavor done and ready to pull, I'm just waiting for the full powerpc build to finish to make sure the entire powerpc arch builds
[02:53] <BenC> ogasawara: when do you expect the next upload to quantal with the rebase in it?
[06:35] <ashwini> I am trying to convert a sample application into kernel module, any equivalent of Posix message queues (mq_send, mq_recv) ?
[06:43] <ashwini> I am trying to convert a sample application into kernel module, any equivalent of Posix message queues (mq_send, mq_recv) ?
[07:13] <ppisati> moin
[07:17] <smb> morning
[08:56] <smb> apw, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/657901
[08:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 657901 in linux "linux-virtual depends on wireless-crda and contains wireless modules" [Wishlist,Triaged]
[08:56] <smb> Wondering whether now the main package could not depend on crda and the extra modules could
[08:57] <apw> cirtainly can if that is where they are
[08:57] <apw> smb, ^^
[08:57] <smb> apw, yeah, need to check though not clear it is
[08:58] <smb> Would it have effect on the installer? Though I guess the way it gets modules is still udebs and those would be independent in packaging
[08:59] <apw> right, and the live installer installs both packages, so we could split them out any way we wish
[08:59] <apw> indeed the splitting system has been fixed up so it can have as many splits as we require
[09:01] <smb> apw, That would be for quantal. For precise maybe similar, though then for the real virtual package. Not sure this is not already that way (need to download some pakcages to look)
[09:03] <apw> smb, that bug is confusigly old and new at the same time, we may have fixed it for a few releases then reintroduced it
[09:03] <smb> apw, I am not sure we ever really fixed it completely
[09:04] <smb> I assume the dependency to crda was always with the linux-image package, even with the wireless modules possibly already being in -extra
[09:05] <apw> that is entirly possible indeed
[09:05] <apw> if you have the inclination to investigate then great, otherwise perhaps make a WI on flavours blueprint to investigate for a2
[09:30] <ppisati> remote root access to mysql: ouch
[10:32] <ppisati> brb
[10:44] <cooloney> smb and apw: for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1008400
[10:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1008400 in linux "Ubuntu server uses CFQ scheduler instead of deadline" [Medium,Confirmed]
[10:45] <cooloney> i don't think we need to change on our kernel side, it'd better to ping server team to add a kernel parameters in server image
[10:46] <apw> smb, i am starting to wonder if cfq has any place ... i wonder if we should be using deadline in the desktop too
[10:46] <smb> cooloney, That sounds reasonable to me. I only saw you discuss this on irc in my backlog and had not remembered the bug reference. But I assume what they refer to is process stuck messages.
[10:47] <apw> cking, i wonder if there is some way we can quantify whether moving to deadline by default for desktop would be any impact
[10:47] <apw> cking, as likely it is the trigger for responsivness going to crap when writing to USB sticks sort of thing
[10:47] <smb> apw, Is that not used to prevent one big produces to hog all the processing power
[10:48] <cking> apw, depends on the use-cases too
[10:48] <apw> smb, which used for that
[10:48]  * smb tries to remember whether he did see some upstream discussion about it
[10:48] <apw> cking, indeed, musing as to whether given we know cfq is a bit crap at times for desktop as well, whether deadline is a more sensible default
[10:49] <cking> apw, it depends on HDD or SSD too, but I can rig up some tests to explore this if you so desire
[10:49] <apw> cooloney, i am unsure if it even has to be a kernel paramter, this may be something that can be sysctld
[10:49] <smb> apw, the boot parameter
[10:49] <apw> cking, i'd be interested if you can think of any valid ways to test desktop side
[10:49] <smb> apw, After that I believe it is per queue
[10:49] <apw> smb, ?
[10:50] <smb> apw, You can change the io scheduler on the kernel command line for all queues
[10:50] <cooloney> apw: yeah, there are several method to change that, but boot parameter is the easiest why i think
[10:51] <cooloney> apw: but, if we can change desktop to deadline as well as server, that's a good fix. but need some testing.
[10:51] <cking> normally I just tweak this per drive rather than globally
[10:51] <smb> apw, elevator=x
[10:51] <cooloney> cking: exactly, we can change that via /sys
[10:52] <apw> they never like changing things on the kernel command line, its never a preferred solution is all i am saying
[10:53]  * ppisati -> goes looking for carbo
[10:53] <cking> apw, the choice of CFQ vs Deadline may also depend on the file system choice too - just to make life more complex
[10:53] <apw> cking, so when you are tweaking what are you tweaking for
[10:53] <smb> apw, I wonder whether in some situations cfq just shows the problem more heavily. Like what the usb-creator does. Pukes out a fs copy and then queues up writing the boot sector, which I believe tries to unmount and that is sensibly stuck until the fs copy is done.
[10:54] <smb> Still you get a lot of those "process x stuck for more than 120s"
[10:54] <apw> smb, yes thats fine, but the effect on other users is what i care about
[10:54] <apw> i don't care if its the umount which trips that error
[10:54] <cking> smb, which highlights the question: what kind of scenarios are we worried about
[10:54] <apw> the issue as reported here is other vms lose their disks due to virtual IO timeouts
[10:54] <apw> i dont' care about the producer making himself sick
[10:55] <apw> i care about the producer making the other consumers sick
[10:55] <apw> which for desktop is 'my shit goes grey and unresponsive' and for server is 'omg where did my VM root disk go'
[10:55] <smb> apw, Right but that just may be the same thing (or similar). Lacking all the info from the bug I don't know whether their images is files backed
[10:55] <apw> cking, now in both cases the unrelated producer/consumer latency is probabally the concern
[10:56] <apw> smb, i am sure it is file based, and here they are hammering the filesystem from the host for a backup
[10:56] <apw> which really shouldn't kill the VM
[10:56] <apw> but neither should my other windoers grey out
[10:56] <apw> (and they do)
[10:58] <smb> Yeah, I guess in that case deadline makes sure a write is not done later that a certain time. One would think cfq should do similar but apparently not :/
[10:58] <apw> it cirtainly has an odd definition of fair
[11:00] <cking> me thinks the Andrew Morton Interactive Workload (AMIW) is a good test. http://kerneltrap.org/node/431
[11:02] <smb> Agreed, you would think fair should mean every process gets at least some slot to do writes. The problem likely is as well that the virtual disks maybe have no way of saying "yes I got your request but I am kind of under water right now, just be patient for a bit"
[11:02] <smb> apw, You probably can get into quite a bit of trouble if you have your disks on something like iscsi or so
[11:04] <cooloney> cking: yeah, i also saw this AMIW testing.
[11:05] <smb> cking, In general what you need is multiple tasks that do independent heavy IO
[11:05] <cking> smb, yep
[11:07]  * cking can't find any serious analysis of CFQ vs Deadline
[11:10] <cooloney> cking: me either, but for Redhat server and SuSe server, looks like CFQ is still the default IO scheduler
[11:10] <cking> yep
[11:10] <cooloney> cking: how about this one http://www.redhat.com/magazine/008jun05/features/schedulers/
[11:14] <cooloney> cking: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_iosched_2012&num=1
[11:14] <gema> cking:
[11:14] <gema> ups, sorry
[12:56] <smb> apw, cking So I am currently running a kvm-vm with 2G memory doing a loop creating an erasing a 4G file on its virtual disk(ext4) which is backed by a file on ext4 to which the host rsyncs 17G of files and I see no stall messages up to now (guest at about 50M/s, host at about 80M/s).
[12:57] <apw> smb, and which elevator is the host using
[12:57] <smb>  apw cfq
[12:57] <apw> smb, well i guess that is 'good'
[12:58] <apw> though it makes reproing the bug hard
[12:59] <cking> perhaps mixing a bunch of other I/O activity may force it
[12:59] <smb> apw, Yeah, we should ask the bug reporter for a more detailed description of what is setup how and what is done
[13:00] <apw> smb, i would suggest creating a lot of small files in the guest, to get it to push those 'gatey things' down
[13:00]  * apw struggles for the word today
[13:00] <smb> Hm, the request size?
[13:01] <apw> s/gatey things/barrier/
[13:01] <apw> make it use barrier writes for its journal
[13:01] <apw> which should make it block itself waiting
[13:01] <apw> for the IO to complete
[13:02] <smb> Depends which parts do actually support barrier requests. The fs is on a lv on a vg which is on a dm-raid5
[13:03] <apw> i would expect barriers to be supported mostly
[13:06] <smb> apw, dm used to be by large just a request mapper which makes doing quarantees on barrier requests hard if requests can end up on multiple disks downwards the stack
[13:09] <apw> smb, all true
[13:10] <apw> but the VM doesn't know that
[13:10] <apw> so it will think the right way, blocking itself
[13:11] <smb> apw, Would be what the virtio driver claims to support. So I see no barriers disabled messages (neiter host nor guest) which would mean they somehow support them or upstream got rid of the message...
[13:17] <apw> smb, yeah i know dm can when it has simple mappings, so perhaps it can
[13:22] <smb> apw, For simple ones (linear) it is no problem. I am wondering about the dmraid(dm-raid45) one. Theoretically and barrier would need to get converted into a write+flushes on all disks in the array. Now there could be either support, or ignorance and incorrectly ignoring that bit, or the message being hidden now...
[13:42] <dileks> apw: did you rebase overlayfs.v13 against v3.5-rc2?
[13:42] <apw> dileks, i'd be waiting on leann doing the base rebase
[13:42] <ogasawara> apw: just fyi, I pushed the rebase this weekend
[13:43] <apw> ogasawara, ahh cool.  did overlayfs build ?
[13:43] <dileks> there is a 3.5-rc2-quantal kernel. did someone test the union-fs part?
[13:43] <ogasawara> apw: it did
[13:43] <ogasawara> apw: I think there was 1 minor fixup for it during the rebase
[13:43] <apw> dileks, probabally not yet, its very early to dare running it :)
[13:43] <dileks> 1st patch with path stuff
[13:43] <apw> dileks, but i'll get it building
[13:44] <apw> (as in get a build going so i can test it)
[13:44] <dileks> I was hoping you offer a GIT branch in your overlayfs kernel URL
[13:44] <dileks> especially for 3.5-rcX
[13:44] <ogasawara> apw: I've got it running here on 2 systems and seems to be holding up to very light use
[13:45] <apw> ogasawara, cool ...
[13:45] <apw> dileks, i may well do that
[13:45] <apw> dileks, given the normal delays
[13:46] <dileks> IIRC there is some atomic vfs stuff pending changing the do_dentry stuff, not sure if this is 3.5 material from al viro
[13:46] <cking> apw, I'm spinning the HDD on a dev box here for Deadline vs CFQ across a bunch of file systems - will take a few hours to finish
[13:46] <apw> cking, thanks
[13:46] <apw> cking, you did 'testing thursday' on the alpha i think
[13:47] <cking> yep I did
[13:47] <apw> did it seem to take a real long time after finishing the install saying "installing system" before completing ?
[13:47] <dileks> apw: BTW, can you activate codel/fq_codel for 3.5? doing some initial bufferbloat testing with kamal
[13:47] <apw> dileks, whats the config for that
[13:47] <cking> apw, not from what I observed on a X220i
[13:47] <apw> cking, perhaps i have just become impatient
[13:47] <dileks> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=kamal/ubuntu-quantal.git;a=commitdiff;h=d684fa3d61223a3d8ad4622c91497f520dc1c43b
[13:48] <cking> and I did 3 installs, so I would have noticed
[13:48] <dileks> CONFIG_NET_SCH_CODEL=m
[13:48] <dileks> CONFIG_NET_SCH_FQ_CODEL=m
[13:48] <dileks> apw: ^^
[13:48] <apw> ogasawara, ^^ :)
[13:48]  * ogasawara looks
[13:49] <cking> apw, i'll repeat the tests with a SSD later tonight once the thorough testing is completed on the HDD
[13:51] <ogasawara> dileks: both look to be =m already
[13:51] <ogasawara> dileks: /ubuntu-quantal/debian.master/config$ grep -rn "NET_SCH_CODEL" *
[13:51] <ogasawara> config.common.ubuntu:3638:CONFIG_NET_SCH_CODEL=m
[13:51] <caribou> apw: ping
[13:51] <ogasawara> ubuntu-quantal/debian.master/config$ grep -rn "NET_SCH_FQ_CODEL" *
[13:51] <ogasawara> config.common.ubuntu:3642:CONFIG_NET_SCH_FQ_CODEL=m
[13:52] <dileks> ogasawara: ah, I see. good to know
[13:52] <apw> caribou, pong
[13:53] <dileks> BTW, the quantal-3.5-rc2 kernel panics here
[13:53] <caribou> howdy, can I come & bug you for a minute ?
[13:53] <dileks> missing some important iwlwifi patches from wireless.git#master
[13:53] <apw> caribou, ask away
[13:53] <caribou> apw: remember the ddeb's you built for Natty's 2.6.38-8 kernel a  while ago ?
[13:53] <apw> yep
[13:54] <caribou> apw: how hard would it be to rebuild them with the exact same name as the original ?
[13:54] <caribou> apw: I'm getting "ERROR: Build-id mismatch: "kernel" vs. "vmlinux-2.6.38-8-server" with SystemTap.
[13:54] <caribou> apw: I think it's coming from the build name of your ddeb
[13:54] <apw> caribou, not hard i don't think ...
[13:55] <apw> caribou, one would need care to not mix them up with the real ones
[13:55] <caribou> apw: well, the real ones are gone now anyway (the ddebs)
[13:56] <apw> well indeed, but to not let peopel think they are the originals
[13:56] <caribou> apw: ah, ok
[13:56] <apw> though i assume it uses the unpacked stuff and we can hand mod the .ddeb filenames
[13:56] <caribou> apw: yep, I guess
[13:58] <caribou> apw: hold on a minute, I might be onto something. biab
[14:00] <caribou> apw: nervermind, I thought I had found a bug but it was for an old version
[14:00] <apw> caribou, i find it odd it would call my version 'kernel' i'd expect it to be complaining about a longer name similar to the missmatch version with dates on the end
[14:01] <caribou> apw: same here.
[14:01] <caribou> apw: well, if you have a minute to build them, please do so so I can rule out this, I'll continue to  hack at it in the meantime
[14:02] <apw> caribou, yep, i'll get the builder on the case
[14:08] <caribou> apw: looks like a known issue : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemtap/+bug/996364
[14:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 996364 in systemtap "systemtap reports error 'Build-id mismatch'" [Undecided,New]
[14:10] <apw> caribou, quality
[14:11] <caribou> apw: in the bug's case, it seems like it was indeed an version mismatch. I just ran the script on my box and it does indeed report the version with the long suffix
[14:11] <apw> ok so you care about it, and the error is printing the wrong text ??
[14:12] <caribou> apw: yes, I'll need the new ddebs as the script report the version with your suffix
[14:26] <caribou> apw: fyi, I must step out. back later
[14:28] <apw> caribou, they take a while to make cause they are so big ... so i'll leave it building 'em
[14:41] <dileks> ogasawara: 3.5: FB_VESA is now bool, setting =m results is =n and FB_BOOT_VESA_SUPPORT=n
[14:43] <dileks> $ grep VESA /boot/config-3.5.0-030500rc2-generic
[14:43] <dileks> # CONFIG_FB_BOOT_VESA_SUPPORT is not set
[14:43] <dileks> CONFIG_FB_UVESA=m
[14:43] <dileks> # CONFIG_FB_VESA is not set
[14:43] <dileks> dunno if its intended
[14:45] <ogasawara> dileks: we carry a SAUCE patch to make that modular, and actually have a check in our config enforcer for it
[14:46] <dileks> thats overriding kbuild-system?
[14:46] <ogasawara> dileks: so that likely explains the discrepancy between the mainline build
[14:48]  * ogasawara back in 20
[14:54] <caribou> apw: no worry, I won't use them before end of day. I'll ping you tomorrow. thanks a lot
[15:34]  * ppisati -> gym
[15:45]  * jsalisbury is seeing allot of Launchpad timeouts today :-(
[16:22] <jsalisbury> infinity, I'm not sure we have a ppc chroot setup on tangerine for bug 1005699
[16:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1005699 in linux "tg3: reports "eth0: DMA Status error. Resetting chip.", fails to work" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1005699
[16:22] <jsalisbury> ogasawara, do you happen to know ^^^
[16:24] <infinity> Tangering has no PPC cross compiler, no.
[16:24] <infinity> You could build it on davis.
[16:24] <njin> hello, is this a kernel or compiz error ?  ther's here a good man to explain me ? Jun 11 18:04:21 quantic kernel: [  806.840646] unity-panel-ser[1996] general protection ip:4063bd sp:7fff05820a60 error:0 in unity-panel-service[400000+f000]
[16:24] <jsalisbury> infinity, ok, cool.  let me see if I can access davis
[16:25] <ogasawara> jsalisbury: if you don't have an account on davis, I do and can build the test kernel.
[16:26] <njin> Jun 11 18:02:44 quantic kernel: [  710.344448] compiz[1907] general protection ip:7fd099f3869e sp:7fffc6914b70 error:0 in libunityshell.so[7fd099cf8000+32e000]
[16:26] <jsalisbury> ogasawara, infinity, looks like I can login :-)
[16:26] <jsalisbury> infinity, I'll build a ppc test kernel and post the link to the bug
[16:26] <infinity> Danke.
[16:26] <infinity> I'll try to push to get it tested ASAP.
[16:27] <infinity> I assume it's the same bug on the Xserves and the G1s, but one can never tell for sure.
[16:27] <jsalisbury> yeah
[16:27] <infinity> Best to know now, than to wait another SRU cycle or two.
[16:39] <jsalisbury> infinity, do you happen to know if there is a precise or mainline src tree on davis?  It will just make it a little quicker since I can --reference it versus cloning a whole new tree.
[16:39] <jsalisbury> infinity, if not thats fine.  I have the clone already going :-)
[16:43] <infinity> jsalisbury: No idea.  If there is, it's not mine.
[16:44] <jsalisbury> infinity, cool, thanks.
[16:44] <infinity> jsalisbury: "locate debian.master" finds lots of copies. :)
[16:45] <jsalisbury> infinity, ahh, right.  My clone just finished too :-D
[16:45] <infinity> jsalisbury: /home/ogasawara/quantal-powerpc/ubuntu-2.6/ looks promising.
[16:45] <infinity> Oh, nevermind then. :P
[16:45] <jsalisbury> heh, I'm always in such a rush
[16:45] <infinity> Or precise-powerpc, rather.
[16:45] <infinity> But whatever.
[16:45] <infinity> It's not like a clone on that network takes long.
[16:46] <jsalisbury> yeah, it was pretty fast
[16:52] <jsalisbury> infinity, ogasawara, hmm.  the ppc build failed pretty early on davis:
[16:52] <jsalisbury> dpkg-deb: building package `linux-headers-3.2.0-25' in `../linux-headers-3.2.0-25_3.2.0-25.40_all.deb'.
[16:52] <jsalisbury> make: *** No rule to make target `binary-generic'.  Stop.
[16:53] <infinity> There is no generic kernel on PPC.
[16:53] <infinity> So that would make some sense.
[16:53] <jsalisbury> infinity, ahh ok.  I better fix up my fakeroot alias then :-)
[16:53] <infinity> Was that a "dpkg-buildpackage", or are you running debian/rules targets by hand?
[16:54] <infinity> If you're just hitting specific targets by hand, the one you'd want to test on the buildds would be powerpc64-smp
[16:54] <jsalisbury> infinity, Just copied my bashrc stuff from tangerine.  I have an alias to shorten the fakeroot command, and it was wrong.
[16:54] <jsalisbury> infinity, cool, thanks
[16:57] <BenC> Is this build failure in precise a recent problem?
[16:57] <jsalisbury> BenC, it was my mistake ;-)
[16:57] <BenC> Ah
[16:58] <BenC> If you need any help with it, let me know, I've got local ppc systems here
[16:58] <jsalisbury> BenC, awesome, thanks
[17:07] <jsalisbury> infinity, so the debian/rules target should be powerpc64-smp ?
[17:08] <infinity> jsalisbury: I'd assuming binary-powerpc64-smp, if it's congruous with binary-generic.  I dunno.  I just build the whole source package. :P
[17:08] <infinity> (ie: I just run "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us -B")
[17:08] <jsalisbury> infinity, cool, thanks!
[17:09] <jsalisbury> infinity, yeah, binary-powerpc64-smp is the proper target.  I was leaving off the binary prefix
[17:10] <ogasawara> balloons: have you heard any feedback from your 12.10 kernel testing in 12.04 announcement?
[17:11] <balloons> ogasawara, yes I have
[17:11] <ogasawara> balloons: I was looking at our daily bug reports, but haven't seen a lot of bugs being reported
[17:11] <ogasawara> balloons: but that's not to say people aren't testing
[17:11] <balloons> i'm causing down some folks who've had issues but didn't report they tested to the tool, nor filed a bug
[17:11] <balloons> you can see the "results" in realtime but going to the page http://packages.qa.dev.stgraber.org/qatracker/milestones/223/builds/16265/testcases/1301/results
[17:12] <balloons> as you see, there's only 3 listed there. but I've got emails or random contacts with several other people who tried it and succeeded or didn't
[17:12]  * stgraber needs to change his hilight regexp not to match .stgraber.org ;)
[17:12]  * balloons waves
[17:13] <balloons> wow -- causing   should be chasing.. I'm chasing down folks who did the work, but didn't report
[17:14]  * balloons wishes we could get a number on how many people (unique ips or something) installed from a ppa
[17:15] <balloons> anyways ogasawara the point behind the qatracker is to capture everyone who's doing the install and making sure they report it in a sane place.. Any bugs they find should also be linked, making it all easy to see
[17:16] <ogasawara> balloons: indeed and agreed.  I really want to have this help provide us a high confidence level for the 12.10 kernel in 12.04.
[17:18] <balloons> ogasawara, yep, we're on the same page. So I'm herding cats more or less.. it's something new, and this is our first pass at it, so I'm doing my best to followup and ensure we get the results recorded
[18:38]  * cking --> EOD
[18:47]  * smb follows
[19:49] <janimo> any reason why linux-backports-modules-3.2.0 is x86/amd64 only?
[20:15] <jsalisbury> infinity, fyi, the kernel build is still happening on davis.  There is some puppet process hogging all the cpu.  Anyway, I'll post a link to the kernel in the bug when it's done.
[20:20] <infinity> jsalisbury: Alrighty.
[20:21] <infinity> janimo: I've wondered that myself, and never really looked into it.
[20:23] <janimo> infinity, ok. Btw I cannot yet claim the cookies, had no time to earn them
[20:52] <BenC> ogasawara: FYI, I have cleaner patches for the AACRAID/big-endian fixes. So if you hold off, I'll rebase and request-pull with that instead of the huge lumpy/krufty aacraid patch I have in there now
[20:52] <BenC> These patches are also going upstream at the same time
[20:53] <ogasawara> BenC: ack, I can wait to look.  I haven't had a chance yet today anyways.
[23:45] <BenC> ogasawara: can you handle my sub request for kernel-team@ please?