[00:02] <ScottK> OK.  Test building that version.
[00:30] <jjesse> quick question on the current daily live cd kde wallet doesn't allow me to save the password, no matter what i try so i can't connect to my wireless
[00:31] <JontheEchidna> haven't seen that one
[00:31] <jjesse> aslo on the keyboard layout section i have selected USA and can't select back or forward, just have the little two balls spinning waiting
[00:32] <jjesse> also in the root of my home drive is a file called screen-configurations.xml wat's that for?
[00:38] <jjesse> intesting now it won't boot all the way on the bootable usb drive :(
[00:38] <jjesse> cpufreq; no nforce2 chipset
[00:39] <DaSkreech> jjesse: !!!
[00:39] <DaSkreech> how are you?
[00:39] <jjesse> DaSkreech: doing well
[00:40] <DaSkreech> How goes Writing?
[00:40] <jjesse> ummm
[00:40] <jjesse> not very well
[00:46] <jjesse> JontheEchidna: do you get sick of responding to the nepomuk crash bugs
[00:46] <JontheEchidna> I just go straight to the dupe link :P
[00:47]  * DaSkreech still has the proof reading/ quality control invite open if you like jjesse
[00:47] <JontheEchidna> but yes, I wish it didnt suck so much
[00:47] <jjesse> DaSkreech: yes but that means i have to write
[00:47] <DaSkreech> :-D
[00:47] <jjesse> got a note from the editor today that i need to respond
[00:48] <scott_ev> what package is akondai a part of
[00:49] <ScottK> Akonadi
[00:49] <scott_ev> thx
[00:49] <ScottK> So I've discovered than using the box switch effect and then holding down alt-tab long enough for auto-repeat to kick in is a bad thing.
[00:50] <ScottK> How do I convince the effects to turn back on?
[00:52] <DaSkreech> ScottK: alt+shift+F12
[00:52] <jjesse> wow this is slow in the paritioning/formating part of the install
[00:53] <ScottK> DaSkreech: Thanks.  I missed the shift before the notification went away.
[00:54] <DaSkreech> ScottK: Great lil keyboard shortcut I can shut it off if I need memory or I'm starting a game then just flip it back on
[00:54] <DaSkreech> ScottK: There is plasmoid that allows you to flick them on and off as well
[00:55] <ScottK> Thanks.
[00:56] <ScottK> So I retried kdebinding on amd64 after python-qt4 was rebuilt.
[00:56] <ScottK> FTBFS due to some smoke stuff.
[00:57] <ScottK> NCommander: ^^^ If you want to build your FTBFS reputation ....
[01:16] <Riddell> ScottK: there's a patch in bzr for smoke
[01:16] <Riddell> did you include that?
[01:16] <ScottK> Riddell: No, it was just a retry of the last upload.
[01:17] <ScottK> I was curious if it'd build better after doko redid python-qt4.
[01:18] <ScottK> Thinking through a kdebindings upload is probably more than I have in me tonight.
[01:36] <seele> Nightrose: lol i love that picture in your dent
[01:37] <Nightrose> ;-)
[01:38] <Riddell> dent?
[01:38] <seele> identica, it got crossposted to twitter
[01:38] <seele> although sometimes the links get screwed up
[01:38] <seele> http://www.flickr.com/photos/heather/2674969888/
[01:40] <DaSkreech> <3
[01:54] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: kdebase-workspace uploaded.
[02:00]  * DaSkreech is readin through the usabilty meeting
[02:12] <jjesse> whats the link for the usability study?
[02:12] <jjesse> meeting
[02:14] <DaSkreech> http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Usability/Meetings/2009Feb21
[02:14] <jjesse> thanks DaSkreech
[02:49] <ScottK> BTW, I'm updating kdebase-workspace in intrepid-backports too.
[02:51] <jtechidna> the lights are flickering....
[02:51] <jtechidna> and the router turned off, but luckily not my desktop or the modem
[02:51]  * jtechidna should probably turn off the computer
[02:51] <jtechidna> bbl
[04:09] <Quintasan> rgreening: you're up?
[04:09] <rgreening>  hey. ya
[04:11] <Quintasan> rgreening: recived my patch?
[04:11] <rgreening> hmm.. checking
[04:12] <rgreening> Quintasan: ya. got it. I'll review and upload
[04:12] <Quintasan> rgreening: ok :)
[04:12] <rgreening> ty for your contribution :)
[04:13] <Quintasan> and Hi, first of all :d
[04:14] <Quintasan> time to school :O
[04:14] <rgreening> ok
[04:57] <ScottK> Riddell: I've uploaded an updated backport for kdebase-workspace that clears up a number of package conflict errors and generally brings it up to date with Jaunty.  Would you please accept it.  The LP U/I is timing out now, so I can't.
[05:09] <rgreening> scottK: can you redo
[05:09] <ScottK> rgreening: ?
[05:09] <rgreening> I just updated kdebase-workspace with another patch
[05:09] <rgreening> and it needs to get in
[05:10] <ScottK> How much needs to get in?
[05:10] <ScottK> It takes over an hour for that to build and I'd have to test it.
[05:10] <rgreening> oh, nm... just realized you said backport
[05:10] <ScottK> Yes.
[05:10] <rgreening> heh.
[05:10] <ScottK> I already uploaded kdebase-workspace a couple of hours ago for Jaunty.
[05:10] <ScottK> What's your patch?
[05:10] <rgreening> I updated the bzr branch with a patch for quicklaunch crash
[05:11] <rgreening> fixed LP: 332233
[05:11] <rgreening> fixes bug 332233
[05:12] <ScottK> Ah.  Yeah, definitely not for a backport.
[05:12] <rgreening> nope. unless we bp qt4.5
[05:12] <rgreening> then its required
[05:13] <rgreening> scottk: are you able to push out a new kdebase-workspace for jaunty then
[05:13] <ScottK> I'm actually just about to go to bed.
[05:13] <rgreening> ah. ok
[05:13] <rgreening> Riddell: ^^ If you get this... can you do it?
[05:18] <rgreening> scottk: so you released 0ubuntu7?
[05:18] <ScottK> Yes
[05:18] <rgreening> I dodnt realize it was
[05:19] <rgreening> and not I've messed up the changelog
[05:19] <rgreening> :(
[05:19] <rgreening> and the LP bug comment
[05:19] <rgreening> doh
[05:19]  * ScottK points to the commit message for his last bzr commit for the package...
[05:20] <rgreening> I see it now. Never saw it when I did a bzr up
[05:21] <rgreening> well, we'll need a ubuntu8 right away then
[05:21] <rgreening> cause this patch is important
[05:31] <rgreening> ScottK: Ok, update changelog :)
[05:35] <rgreening> imean I updated it .
[05:52] <rgreening> did anyone get the lancelot bug fixed yet for qt4.5?
[06:00] <rgreening> Riddell: can we get kdeplasma-addons (4:4.2.0-0ubuntu3) pushed out? Lancelot is currently broken and this updated version has the fix from 3 days ago. ty
[06:04] <rgreening> Tonio_: yo
[09:13]  * Lure is happy that kubuntu is behind ubuntu/gnome for once (notifications) ;-)
[09:35] <hunger> Is it only me or does the kde 4.2 (intrepid) konqueror ignore click on links sometimes?
[09:36] <hunger> Well, make that clicks on everything:-) One side I am seeing this is LP.
[10:57]  * smarter waves
[10:58] <Riddell> morning smarter
[10:58] <Riddell> kdebase and kdeplasma-addons uploaded
[10:58] <smarter> hey Riddell
[10:58] <Riddell> kdebase-workspace and kdeplasma-addons uploaded  rather
[10:58] <smarter> just received the sticers
[10:58] <smarter> *stickers
[10:58] <Riddell> yay!
[10:58] <smarter> and HOLY HELL! That's a *lot* of stickers! :p
[10:59] <Riddell> isn't it just, I was only expecting a sheet or two
[10:59] <smarter> I got fifty.
[10:59] <Riddell> go and stick everything then blog about it :)
[11:00] <smarter> (fifty sheets, that is)
[11:00] <smarter> yeah, I was  wondering what to do with all these I <3 kubuntu :p
[11:00]  * smarter starts by replacing the ubuntu stickers he has :P
[11:00] <Riddell> fabo: the more I think about it, the more I recon phonon should be built from Qt
[11:02]  * smarter sticks the little one on the windows keys of his keyboard :P
[11:07] <Riddell> good idea :)
[11:13] <ScottK> Riddell and rgreening: I can confirm that dropping kubuntu_57_panel_notifications_conf in kdebase-workspace cured the double notifications.
[11:14] <ScottK> Morning all.
[11:14] <Riddell> I wonder why it didn't affect everybody
[11:15] <Riddell> a|wen: that was your patch I believe, want to check if upstream changed something since?
[11:22] <a|wen> Riddell: sure, i'll check if there are any changes in the upstream svn when i get back
[12:42] <Quintasan> rgreening: I hope my patch worked
[12:42] <Quintasan> :)
[13:07] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna, EagleScreen: \o
[13:07] <JontheEchidna> Good morning
[13:07] <EagleScreen> hi
[13:08] <EagleScreen> i am trying to package kmess2 (KDE4) from scratch
[13:11] <Riddell> good luck!
[13:41] <seele> i wonder how long stickers take to get across the pond
[13:48] <rgreening> denpends on who is mailing them :)
[13:48] <ScottK> email would be faster.
[13:49] <rgreening> Riddell: Im working on qtjambi preview now.
[13:50] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm thinking we ought to have the kdebindings FTBFS fixed before the next Alpha.  Had you planned on uploading your patch todayish?
[13:51] <Riddell> ScottK: oh yes I knew there was another one needing uploaded
[13:51] <Riddell> I should test build it first I guess
[13:51] <ScottK> OK.  I'll leave that one to you then.
[14:17] <rgreening> Riddell, ScottK: and the new kdebase-workspace and kdeplasma-addons as well should be uploaded from bzr (plasma crash fixes fro quicklaunch and lancelot)
[14:18] <Riddell> rgreening: did that
[14:18] <rgreening> ScottK: when is next alpha due?
[14:18] <rgreening> Riddell: cool. both?
[14:18] <rgreening> :)
[14:18] <ScottK> rgreening: This Thursday.
[14:19] <Riddell> hmm, kdebindings fails
[14:19] <Riddell> and so does amarok
[14:19] <Riddell> waa
[14:19] <rgreening> ScottK: ok. Riddell: I'll see if I can get qtjambi ready for then.
[14:40] <ghostcube> anyone playing shooters in here
[14:40] <ghostcube> like et or so
[14:40] <ghostcube> i have a nice loader that adds sdl sound  i found it in the wild wild web
[14:41] <Tm_T> ghostcube: loader?
[14:41] <Tm_T> sdl?
[14:41] <ghostcube> alsa support
[14:41] <ghostcube> instead of oss support
[14:41] <Tm_T> ah
[14:41] <Tm_T> show me
[14:41] <ghostcube> moment
[14:42] <ghostcube> http://nullkey.ath.cx/et-sdl-sound/
[14:42] <ghostcube> just get the file extract the tar.gz and make it executable
[14:43] <ghostcube> :)
[14:43] <ghostcube> works like charm
[14:45] <Tm_T> interesting
[14:45] <ghostcube> yeah i searched weeks to get something like this
[14:45] <Tm_T> though, might not be good with punkbuster
[14:45] <Tm_T> have to be checked
[14:45] <ghostcube> cause et isnt working on intrepid kde 4.2
[14:45] <ghostcube> Tm_T: it isnt editing the settings
[14:45] <ghostcube> punkbuster works
[14:45] <ghostcube> its just oulling the preloads for sdl
[14:45] <ghostcube> *p
[14:46] <ghostcube> you see if u open it from terminal
[14:46] <Tm_T> ghostcube: it does not alter executable?
[14:46] <ghostcube> i thnk its just an preloader
[14:46] <ghostcube> like for windows tools to get hacked
[14:47] <ghostcube> i dont think its capturing the whole file
[14:47] <ghostcube> havent looked inside the code
[14:47] <ghostcube> oO
[14:47] <Tm_T> let's see then when I test it
[14:47] <ghostcube> but i could play on my ET box
[14:47] <Tm_T> if I get heavy sanctions due this, who I should crucify?
[14:47] <ghostcube> hmmm
[14:47] <ghostcube> heh
[14:47] <ghostcube> :) not me
[14:47] <Tm_T> (;)
[14:47] <Tm_T> anyway, later I will try
[14:48] <ghostcube> it works for me
[14:48] <ghostcube> i tested it already
[14:48] <ghostcube> :)
[14:48] <Tm_T> "worksforme" doesn't make me feel safe
[14:48] <ghostcube> lol
[14:49] <Tm_T> that isn't enough when you do official matches for example
[14:49] <ghostcube> yeah but if it works on my patchwork intrepid it shoul work for you too
[14:49] <ghostcube> :D
[14:49] <Tm_T> even punkbuster bugs are enough to make me feel unsafe
[14:50] <ghostcube> Tm_T: even the fact thats PB on linux is stressy to be running and updated makes me feel bad
[14:54] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: thanks for the update (dunno if it was you, but lancelot works now :)
[14:55] <JontheEchidna> Thank Quintasan
[14:55] <jussi01> Quintasan: ++
[14:55] <jussi01> :D
[15:00] <Quintasan> :D
[15:02] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: I'm going to apply for members, but I'm going to do something more first :3
[15:17] <Quintasan> How is the fgrlx package numbered? The lastest drivers available form amd is 9.2 (20th February) and the package version is 8.573
[15:24] <Riddell> ~twitter update grump
[15:24] <kubotu> status updated
[15:26] <ccm> hey, is there a known bug in qt for Jaunty that prevents all qt applications to display correctly?
[15:26] <ccm> i checked launchpad but don't know where exactly to look
[15:27] <maco> a few days ago, plasma wouldn't start. ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-appletsrc seems to hold the problem (moving mine out of the way fixed it). i'm trying to figure out what setting broke plasma (debugging), so i've been bzr'ing the file and copying over little bits of the config at a time to see to get a diff where it breaks. can anyone help me figure out which part of this diff is the cause?
[15:27] <maco> my current plasma-appletsrc is http://paste.ubuntu.com/121892/ and the diff that got it there is http://paste.ubuntu.com/121891/
[15:27] <maco> i moved the panel's screen edge (manually, couldnt figure it out in the config file) and changed the geometry of showdesktop to be on the other side of quicklaunch (by copying the geometry from my broken config). lots of geometries changed seemingly on their own though. should messed up geometries cause plasma not to start though?
[15:27] <maco> >< is not making sense to me
[15:28] <rgreening> maco, it could be. However, if you update today, kdebase-workspace and kdeplasma-addons are updated with fixes for some applets. Maybe those fix your issues
[15:28] <rgreening> fabo: ping
[15:28] <maco> ok i'll try installing updates
[15:38] <JontheEchidna> quicklaunch was known to cause a crash
[15:40] <maco> got today's kernel panic out of the way pretty early
[15:40] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: I've sent a patch to rgreening yesterday so it should be in queue or something
[15:40] <rgreening> Quintasan: its in and done :)
[15:41] <rgreening> Quintasan: package was built and deployed afaik earlier today
[15:41] <rgreening> :)
[15:42] <rgreening> Riddell: any reason why language-support-translations-en is pulling in gobs of gnomish
[15:42] <rgreening> and why we need it?
[15:42] <Quintasan> rgreening: good to know :D
[15:43] <rgreening> Riddell: 34 new gnomish packages required for an en lang pack for Kubuntu is not pretty
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: is this with the --no-install-recommends flag?
[15:44] <rgreening> ??
[15:44] <rgreening> I was doing a dist-upgrade
[15:44] <rgreening> like anyone else would
[15:44] <JontheEchidna> you'd want to use that flag since apt now installs recommends by default
[15:45] <JontheEchidna> a boneheaded decision imo
[15:45] <Riddell> rgreening: nope
[15:45] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: Its not a recommends issue. And we def shouldnt see this (even if it was) under Kubuntu.
[15:46] <rgreening> Riddell: language-support-translations-en has a Dep on thunderbird and evolution (a hard dep). thats not right.
[15:46] <Riddell> no it's not
[15:46] <JontheEchidna> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
[15:46] <rgreening> someone brok'd it.
[15:46]  * JontheEchidna wipes a tear away from his eye
[15:47] <rgreening> Ubuntu automatic language-pack builder<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:47] <rgreening> what kind of name is that?
[15:47] <rgreening> dunno who it was that did it
[15:47] <Riddell> arno is incharge of that
[15:48] <rgreening> Riddell: ok. I'll ping...
[15:49] <rgreening> Riddell: is the nick arno?
[15:50] <Riddell> rgreening: ArneGoetje (and it's probably late where he is)
[15:50] <rgreening> ok
[15:50] <Riddell> rgreening: and obviously check your facts first, what's changed since intrepid and aa that
[15:50] <rgreening> kk
[15:51] <rgreening> changelog says it all 2 entries
[15:57] <fabo> rgreening: pong
[16:13] <rgreening> fabo: hey. do yo uhave a qtjambi package?
[16:27] <sianis-devel> hi
[16:28] <sianis-devel> I have a little problem with KCmdLineArgs
[16:28] <sianis-devel> KCmdLineArgs.init(sys.argv, aboutData)
[16:28] <sianis-devel> sys.argv contains: ../βετα/gdebi-kde_0.4.2_all.deb
[16:28] <sianis-devel> so there is utf-8 chars
[16:29] <sianis-devel> after parsing, i get back ../????/gdebi-kde_0.4.2_all.deb
[16:29] <sianis-devel> what can be the problem?
[16:37] <Riddell> sianis-devel: I'm afraid that's not something I have experience with, one of the joys of being an English speaker
[16:38] <Riddell> sianis-devel: but the contents of sys.argv are probably not unicode
[16:38] <sianis-devel> Riddell, it should be: print 'sys.argv:' + sys.argv[1] give back: sys.argv:../βετα/gdebi-kde_0.4.2_all.deb
[16:41] <Riddell> sianis-devel: try converting the contents to unicode or qstrings?  (just a guess)
[16:41] <sianis-devel> afile = unicode(afile, 'utf-8')
[16:41] <sianis-devel> tried : give back ????
[16:41] <Riddell> Sime: any thoughts? ^^
[16:42] <sianis-devel> without it : UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 9-12: ordinal not in range(128)
[16:43] <fabo> rgreening: no. Debian doesn't have qtjambi (and I'm not a java fan).
[16:49] <rgreening> fabo: hahaha
[16:57] <ScottK> It seems it would be handy if someone would fix the amarok FTBFS before the Alpha 5 freeze ....
[16:57]  * ScottK is stabbing at koffice again.
[17:00] <Riddell> ScottK: I was looking at amarok, it's not looking good, upstream has updates but they don't fix it and they don't seem to have many ideas on how to fix it
[17:00] <ScottK> Rats.
[17:01] <maco> ScottK: you stabbed koffice and rats came out? O_O
[17:01] <ScottK> I have a new idea to try.
[17:02] <Riddell> the problem code in amarok is just copied from qt
[17:03] <ScottK> Lovely.
[17:07] <fabo> rgreening: are you a java fan ? :D
[17:08] <rgreening> Riddell: qtjambi preview packaged and in my PPA. I still have a couple of issues 1) had to disable qtjambi_phonon and 2) some list missing stuff to update (shortly). Any ideas on if disabling the phonon is ok?
[17:08] <rgreening> fabo: nope. Not at all. Though the qtjambi is nice all the same. and fast.
[17:09] <ScottK> Nice comments on k3b: http://ttgnet.com/daynotes/2009/2009-09.html#Mon
[17:10] <rgreening> Riddell: bug 333401
[17:12] <devfil2> Riddell: can you please upload http://paste.ubuntu.com/121947/ ?
[17:13] <Riddell> rgreening: sorted
[17:13] <Riddell> ScottK: seen that from devfil2?
[17:14] <rgreening> Riddell: that bug should help somewhat. I am waiting for the update to verify.
[17:15] <rgreening> Riddell: what about the qtjambi question :) I had to disable qtjambi_phonon to make it build... is that going to be an issue?
[17:15] <devfil2> Riddell: the build log is on my ppa (~d.filoni/+archive/ppa), I just changed the changelog
[17:15] <Riddell> devfil2: uncomment should be "comment out" ?
[17:16] <devfil2> Riddell: yes
[17:17] <ScottK> Riddell: No.  Looking
[17:18] <ScottK> Riddell: That's similar to what I've got test building right now.  Let me see if mine works and if it doesn't I'll use that.
[17:18] <hunger> Anyone having issues with kde 4.2 in intrepid/backports?
[17:18]  * hunger can no longer click on anything in konqueror.
[17:18] <ScottK> hunger: I know we have some additional conflicts/replaces stuff we need to do, but not that.
[17:18] <seele> rgreening: how is kpackagekit coming?
[17:19]  * hunger sighs.
[17:19] <rgreening> seele: on hold for a bit. Awaiting Tonio_ to package 0.4
[17:20] <seele> rgreening: does 0.4 have the changes you made to the application list or will you need to repatch it?
[17:24] <seele> was kgrubeditor re/moved because it doesnt support grub2?
[17:24] <seele> !kgrubeditor
[17:24] <seele> !kgrubconfig
[17:24] <seele> uhm
[17:24] <jussi01> !info kgrubeditor
[17:24] <jussi01> !info kgrubeditor jaunty
[17:24] <seele> oh, heh. thanks jussi01
[17:24] <jussi01> :)
[17:26] <seele> Riddel: Arby: any more work on system-config-printer-kde
[17:26] <seele> oops, arby isnt here
[17:27] <seele> Nightrose: ping
[17:34] <Riddell> seele: kgrubconfig got into technical discussions about its approach https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kgrubeditor/+bug/262309
[17:34] <Riddell> seele: nothing yet on system-config-printer-kde, maybe next week, it's pretty high priority though
[17:34] <Riddell> oh I should fix the current bug though
[17:36] <devfil2> Riddell: any news about integration about applications in jaunty? I mean how gtk will be in kubuntu etc...
[17:36] <seele> Riddell: does that mean kgrubeditor will not be in jaunty by default?
[17:36]  * seele wonders if Artemis_Fowl is working on it at all
[17:38] <Riddell> devfil2: huh?  why would we have gtk?
[17:39] <Riddell> seele: I guess it would take Artemis_Fowl to argue his case more
[17:39] <devfil2> Riddell: for example koffice
[17:40] <seele> hum.. oh well. it was a bit of work, too bad he's disappeared about it.
[17:42] <devfil2> Riddell: s/koffice/openoffice/ . In kubuntu there is openoffice but it looks horrible
[17:43] <Riddell> devfil2: openoffice has the kde/qt 3 integration still
[17:45] <Riddell> seele: has he disappeared entirely?  I would still like to see it in, I'd be happy to help him argue the case if he's still around
[17:45] <devfil2> Riddell: there is no a way to show gtk and kde/qt3 applications beautiful using kde4?
[17:47] <seele> Riddell: i'm pretty sure the semester has started for him by now and so he isn't available. i'll ping him and see what he's up to
[17:47] <Riddell> devfil2: I'm not sure what you're seeing but openoffice still has the kde 3 integration for me and it looks a bit out of place on the kde 4 desktop but it looks the same as it always did
[17:48] <devfil2> Riddell: I'm talking about the "bit out of place on the kde 4 desktop"
[17:49] <Riddell> devfil2: well there's no working KDE 4 integration yet, there's some patches but they need work, and there's no oxygen icon theme yet either (long boring job digging out all 7000 icons that OO.o uses)
[17:50] <devfil2> ok
[17:52] <seele> there are really 7000 OO icons?
[17:55] <Riddell> >lesspipe /usr/lib/openoffice/basis3.0/share/config/images_crystal.zip | wc -l
[17:55] <Riddell> 7514
[17:55] <Riddell> some are probably the same icon at different sizes
[17:55] <jussi01> wow
[17:57] <seele> wow
[17:58] <maco> what about the bug where OOo on KDE ignores the fact that a file extension will be appended and says it'll overwrite a file named foo because you entered "foo" in the name box (though the actual name will be foo.odt)?
[17:58] <maco> (it doesn't happen in gnome with the gtk or nautilus or whatever it is file browser)
[17:59] <maco> bug 270750
[17:59] <Riddell> maco: unfortunately the KDE 3 openoffice integration isn't maintained currently.  and if anyone did work on OO with KDE they should work on fixing up the KDE 4 stuff
[18:00] <maco> er oh....didnt pay attention to the version # in there sorry
[18:00] <maco> wait it wasnt tested on kde4
[18:00] <shtylman> Riddell: I did some more fixes in ubiquity (the changes are in my branch) just letting you know if you want to bring them into main
[18:01] <devfil2> Riddell: did you see http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=56776 ?
[18:01]  * maco goes to test
[18:01] <rgreening> seele: I had to get the packagekit team to add some support in the back-end. There's a new app-install specification that we wrote to support this.
[18:02] <Riddell> maco: there is no (working) kde 4 version currently
[18:02] <Riddell> maco: so nothing to test
[18:02] <rgreening> seele: So, I have to update my patch to work with our new specification and add in the remaining missing bits. I am hoping to do this from 0.4 rather than backporting individual bits.
[18:02] <maco> slightly confused, but ok...
[18:03] <Riddell> devfil2: hum, that's really not a nice solution
[18:03] <glatzor> rgreening, have you already worked on a library to access the desktop cache?
[18:04] <rgreening> glatzor: nope. I was waiting on Tonio_ to package KPackageKit 0.4 to continue my work.
[18:04] <glatzor> rgreening, I added support to the postinst to fill the desktop cache with the app-inst data
[18:04] <Riddell> maco: in short, OO KDE maintainers needed
[18:04] <rgreening> glatzor: awesome.
[18:04] <lex79> ScottK: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-adjustableclock/+bug/328112 you are the last in changelog, conflicts and replaces are wrong
[18:05] <ScottK> Could be.  If you would propose a fix I would sponsor it.
[18:05] <rgreening> glatzor: was that in app-install-data? And what is the file it generates.
[18:05] <glatzor> rgreening, furthermore I will add a small python module to access the desktop cache to implement the application filter as soon as possible
[18:06] <glatzor> app-install-data ships all the desktop files in Ubuntu
[18:06] <rgreening> glatzor: cool, packagekit has the filter definition in there, so, the back-end is what I am assuming you are writing for apt?
[18:06] <glatzor> the postinst script called update-packagekit-app-install-data extracts the information and writes it to the desktop cache (sqlite database)
[18:07] <seele> rgreening: ok sounds good
[18:07] <rgreening> glatzor: what is the file name/location? not the same one packagekit writes, correct?
[18:07] <devfil2> lex79: hi
[18:07] <rgreening> seele: :)
[18:08] <rgreening> glatzor: btw, great work on all this. It's really appreciated. I assume packagekit-gome will want to take advantage of this too.
[18:08] <lex79> devfil2: hi :)
[18:12] <glatzor> rgreening, there will be only one desktop database
[18:12] <glatzor> rgreening, Just run the update-packagekit-app-install-data script from backends/apt to create the db
[18:15] <glatzor> rgreening, actually you can already start working, since the application filter will only reduce the number of returned packages
[18:15] <rgreening> glatzor: will that conflict with the one packagekit provides/uses?
[18:16] <glatzor> rgreening, which things should conflict?
[18:17] <rgreening> In the spec we wrote, it does say there will be two files (iirc). I could be wrong.
[18:17] <glatzor> rgreening, We are talking about implementing the spec.
[18:17] <rgreening> let me look at app-install-date. has it been uploaded/promoted already?
[18:18] <glatzor> rgreening, there is another file which holds a mapping of desktop-files/installed packages
[18:18] <glatzor> rgreening, it is located in /var/lib/PackageKit/desktop-files.db
[18:18] <rgreening> glatzor:yes, that's not being touched correct.
[18:19] <glatzor> rgreening, right. this is managed by the packagekit daemon
[18:19] <rgreening> cool.
[18:19] <Tonio_> hi there
[18:19]  * Tonio_ polishes k3b packaging...
[18:19] <Tonio_> glatzor: hi ! I looked at kpackagekit yesterday, but couldn't find your update on the ppa...
[18:19] <Tonio_> glatzor: is there a technical issue on that poinr ?
[18:20] <rgreening> glatzor: ok, I'll start modifying my patch for Kpackagekit to use the new filter
[18:21] <rgreening> glatzor: when will the new app-install-data be uploaded
[18:21] <glatzor> Tonio_, I will check
[18:21] <Tonio_> glatzor: super :)
[18:22] <rgreening> glatzor: oh, I just realized, you added this to packagekit apt backend and not app-install-data.. correct?
[18:23] <glatzor> rgreening, the app-install-data is not yet involved.
[18:23] <glatzor> rgreening, so yes. This will be part of the packagekit-backend-apt
[18:24] <rgreening> glatzor: ok, so, I assume packagekit-backend-apt will need to run this script on a trigger of some sort...
[18:25] <kuaera> I still cannot boot into a KDE session from KDM due to freezing after the "network" icon on Kubuntu Jaunty
[18:26] <a|wen> Riddell / ScottK: i can see that rgreening played with upstream updates to the kubuntu_57_panel_notifications_conf.diff ; that didn't fix the double notifications that some had?
[18:27] <kuaera> Tonio_: I was informed that you are likely the most knowledgeable about this particular issue, as it's likely related to the new version of NetworkManager
[18:27] <rgreening> a|wen: wasn't me
[18:27] <rgreening> a|wen: JontheEchidna
[18:27] <kuaera> :(
[18:27] <a|wen> sry, it's getting late here, you're right
[18:27] <ScottK> a|wen: Unknown.  I tried his changes and got an FTBFS.  Gave up and pulled the patch.
[18:28] <a|wen> ScottK: he did changes multiple times; one of the times caused FTBFS which was corrected by him again a bit later
[18:28] <ScottK> OK.  I'd given up by that point.
[18:29] <JontheEchidna> I never got it to build
[18:29] <ScottK> I'll be glad to test changes, but don't have time to really consider the patch.
[18:29] <rgreening> send the patch to me, I'll give it a kick
[18:30] <glatzor> Tonio_, the upload seemed to have failed
[18:30] <glatzor> Tonio_, I reuploaded the package to the ppa
[18:30] <JontheEchidna> luckily I still have the patch :)
[18:30] <Tonio_> glatzor: great, thanks
[18:30] <glatzor> rgreening, the use of a trigger is already the case
[18:31] <a|wen> rgreening: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebase-workspace/ubuntu/download/36/kubuntu_57_panel_not-20090122155643-25zkq8oirt0wqtaj-1/kubuntu_57_panel_notifications_conf.diff?file_id=kubuntu_57_panel_not-20090122155643-25zkq8oirt0wqtaj-1
[18:31] <kuaera> Tonio_: I tried PMing you, but... I was informed that you're involved with the new version of NetworkManager in Kubuntu Jaunty
[18:31] <Tonio_> kuaera: yup, any question about that ?
[18:31] <rgreening> glatzor: ok, cool. What's the new filter called again?
[18:32] <kuaera> Tonio_: Is it already in the repo?
[18:32] <kuaera> If so, I don't believe it's working properly for me.
[18:32] <Tonio_> kuaera: yeah, the package is plasma-widget-network-manager
[18:32] <glatzor> rgreening, you don't need the new filter. it is also not yet implemented.
[18:32] <a|wen> rgreening: and the original one prior to more upstream changes http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebase-workspace/ubuntu/download/17/kubuntu_57_panel_not-20090122155643-25zkq8oirt0wqtaj-1/kubuntu_57_panel_notifications_conf.diff?file_id=kubuntu_57_panel_not-20090122155643-25zkq8oirt0wqtaj-1
[18:32] <Tonio_> kuaera: wel afaik it works very nicelly work most people
[18:32] <glatzor> rgreening, you should just implement the application view without the application filter
[18:32] <kuaera> Tonio_: Odd... I thought this was related to some of the networking stuff that takes place on KDE boot
[18:33] <glatzor> the application filter will just limit the returned packages to ones which provide applications
[18:33] <Tonio_> kuaera: it's a plasma applet, but in jaunty it should be present in the bar by default
[18:33] <kuaera> Tonio_: As, after the networking icon appears on KDE boot, it stops and I have to go to terminal and kill kdm
[18:33] <Tonio_> hum.... weird...
[18:33] <glatzor> rgreening, but you would still have to get the applications from the desktop db
[18:34] <Tonio_> kuaera: have you removed knetworkmanager in the first place ?
[18:34] <Tonio_> kuaera: looks more like a plasma issue than the plasmoid itself...
[18:34] <kuaera> Tonio_: I have not yet removed knetworkmanager
[18:34] <Tonio_> kuaera: you can try to remove your plasma-appletsrc file and restart kde
[18:34] <rgreening> glatzor: ultimately, it should be able to use the filter, correct?
[18:34] <glatzor> rgreening, so you would need most preferable a library which can access the sqlite database and gives you the application names and summaries in the correct language
[18:35] <a|wen> rgreening: and thanks a lot ... just kick it along to me if you don't get anything good out of it it before tomorrow, and i'll see what i can do
[18:36] <rgreening> a|wen: np
[18:36] <rgreening> glatzor: the filter is the long term goal though.. so that the back-end apt would support this filter and talk to the db. I can do it in the front end app for now though.
[18:37] <rgreening> glatzor: the filter is already available and supporting functions created in packagekit
[18:38] <glatzor> rgreening, from my understanding the backend will only use the database to query for packages which contain applications and to make additional use of it in SearchDetails
[18:38] <rgreening> ok.
[18:38] <glatzor> rgreening, but it will always only return packages and not applications
[18:39] <rgreening> glatzor: that seems not that useful ... maybe I misunderstood
[18:40] <rgreening> glatzor: I though that the filter would simply return a list of desktop entries from app-install-data which is == applications.
[18:41] <kuaera_> Tonio_: Sorry for disappearing; I got the Network Management plasmoid up, but could not connect to any networks
[18:42] <Tonio_> hum.......
[18:42] <Tonio_> kuaera_: I suspect there are issues with reusing existing cache....
[18:42] <a|wen> ScottK: btw. we should refrain from making -dbg packages as often as possible; just for the next time someone (like me in kile) does it in a package
[18:42] <kuaera_> Tonio_: Uninstalled knetworkmanager, restarted KDE [the regular kdm session failed, and had to start it up manually], and now the plasmoid works
[18:42] <Tonio_> kuaera_: have you tried with a livecd session to confirm this isn't due to soem config at some points ?
[18:43] <kuaera_> Tonio_: I have not - but I'm connected to my wireless through the Network Management plasmoid, and knetworkmanager is uninstalled
[18:43] <kuaera_> Tonio_: That's one of two issues down; the other is how KDE boot is halting after the network icon
[18:44] <rgreening> glatzor: I think I am lost :)
[18:48] <glatzor> rgreening, sorry but I have to get my train.
[18:49] <glatzor> rgreening, we can talk tomorrow again. cheers
[18:53] <ScottK> a|wen: I don't understand, why?
[18:53] <ScottK> Fixored koffice uploaded.
[18:54] <kuaera_> Yay \o/
[18:55] <ScottK> Riddell: (re your comment on #ubuntu-devel) - Sure knotify has issues, but I think it's much improved over KDE4.1 and working on continuing improvement is better than replacing it with an Ubuntu unique alternative.
[18:56] <Tonio_> kuaera_: can you try to killall plasma && plasma
[18:56] <Tonio_> in a shell
[18:56] <Tonio_> kuaera_: then you'll show the applet output
[18:56] <Tonio_> that can tell us more...
[18:56] <kuaera_> Okay, I'll put it on a pastebin
[18:58] <a|wen> ScottK: [10:25] <slangasek> a|wen: because it should be redundant relative to our automatically-generated -dbgsym packages [10:25] <slangasek> a|wen: which are stored in a dedicated archive, where they don't take up space on the mirrors [10:26] <slangasek> a|wen: -dbg packages are tolerable as a lesser evil when they're synced from Debian; but I don't see any reason we should be creating new ones in Ubuntu
[18:59] <ScottK> OK.
[18:59] <ScottK> Thanks.
[18:59] <kuaera_> Tonio_: http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/1345136
[18:59] <a|wen> ScottK: an eye-opener for me too, so thought i would share ... but kile is ok, i made a new version without the -dbg and slangasek uploaded
[19:00]  * ScottK too.
[19:00] <ScottK> So how do I get my inbox back in Kmail with 4.2?
[19:01] <a|wen> you lost the inbox?
[19:03] <a|wen> ScottK: if it is the "local folders" inbox, you should simply get it back by adding an account (pop3) using it
[19:04] <ScottK> It was there, just buried by the aggregation feature (note: I think that's a slight typo).
[19:05] <a|wen> ahh, another way of loosing it
[19:07] <glatzor> hello rgreening. I missed my train.
[19:07] <Riddell> ScottK: well I can think of many continuing improvements I'd be happy for the DX team to make
[19:08] <ScottK> Riddell: I agree, but replacing components not a good way to do this.  I'd be thrilled to have them engage the community and KDE upstream and see what's actually wanted.
[19:09] <ScottK> So far they appear to me to be open to implementing anything we want as long as it's what was in Mark's blog post.
[19:12] <Riddell> it's a designer led process and not the normal open source process which obviously causes tensions, but I think the outcome will be far more positive than not
[19:12] <Riddell> I've not heard of any components due to be replaced (although I'd be really happy to see the Amarok OSD gone in place of a normal notification)
[19:12] <Riddell> components added maybe, the messenging indicator
[19:13] <ScottK> Well in Gnome notify-osd is being used as an alternative to the standard (I think libnotify).
[19:13] <ScottK> It's hard to tell what they have envisioned for us.
[19:14] <ScottK> And the wiki page spec sounds to me like it's intended to be an alternative to Knotify at some point too.
[19:14] <Riddell> they've only done minimal looking at how the technical implementation would be done on KDE since the KDE/Qt guys havn't started yet, but I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be just patches to the normal plasma notifier
[19:15] <ScottK> I suspect that what I am experiencing here is just process difference, but my impression is that they have been pretty consistenly less than forthcoming about their plans.
[19:16] <ScottK> I week or two after I get told there is no spec, a spec gets copied to the public wiki that mentions 137 (IIRC) revisions before being made public.
[19:16] <ScottK> A week after being told here there were no plans for a Kubuntu implementation, they announce in a release team meeting that they are still considering it.
[19:17] <ScottK> So I what I have experienced so far comes at best very close to being actively decietful.
[19:17] <ScottK> This does not inspire trust.
[19:17] <Riddell> oh wow, do stop looking for conspiracy theories
[19:17] <ScottK> Riddell: Those are the facts.
[19:18] <Riddell> they really wanted to do Kubuntu stuff, Canonical management wanted them to do Kubuntu stuff, but in the end they didn't have the manpower for the timescales, that's just how development can work
[19:19] <Riddell> they have notes on the canonical wiki which get made public when Mark OKs them but they're not all made public because plans are led by designers who work as a team in an office
[19:19] <ScottK> And I'm glad.  I'd much rather it be done in a thoughtful way than rushed.
[19:19] <Riddell> and they don't want to put out ideas which turn out to to be wrong
[19:23] <ScottK> So far I've detected very little "yes, we want that" from the Kubuntu developer community, but that doesn't change the fact that there are KDE apps all over their TODO list.
[19:23] <maco> at least right now the combination of notify-osd and knotify results in all of the notifications being the same color
[19:24] <ScottK> I don't think I have any non-KDE apps that do notifications.
[19:24] <Riddell> ScottK: I've been hearing for years that people would like Canonical having KDE developers
[19:24] <Riddell> hi apachelogger
[19:24] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes.  It'd be great, but if they want to land something in Kubuntu, then they ought to engage the Kubuntu community.
[19:25] <ScottK> If they want to get stuff upstream, it's great to have them work with upstream.
[19:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: hey, thanks for the card :)
[19:25] <ScottK> So far there is precious little indication they intend to do anything other than implement their own solution regardless of how it's received.
[19:25]  * apachelogger hugs Riddell, jussi01, ScottK, rgreening, nhandler, smarter and JontheEchidna
[19:25] <Riddell> ScottK: I'm quietly confident they will when they start (one of them has been hanging out on this channel for some time but I think he's too shy to be named yet)
[19:25] <apachelogger> and everyone else as well, while I am at it :)
[19:26]  * ScottK waves to apachelogger.
[19:26] <ScottK> Riddell: I hope you're correct.
[19:27] <maco> ScottK: i use gwibber, so now the notifications from gwibber are black and thus sorta-match the black notifications kde throws up...unlike the old yellow gnome notifications
[19:27] <kuaera> Regarding Amarok using knotify: They are waiting for certain features to be implemented in knotify
[19:27] <ScottK> Riddell (and whoever you are): I'm quite open to working with people to make things better, but that means work with, but just get the result pushed at us.
[19:27]  * jussi01 hugs apachelogger back
[19:27] <ScottK> Missed a not in there...
[19:27] <Riddell> kuaera: and wouldn't it be nice if there were some developers who could spend time adding features to knotify :)
[19:28] <kuaera> Riddell: I'll try to pick on them a little bit about it :P I'm only now learning basic OOP, so I'm pretty technically useless
[19:28] <apachelogger> \o/ knotify
[19:28] <Riddell> ooh ooh, I got kdebindings compiled!
[19:28] <apachelogger> that OSD stuff should have gone there anyway ... konversation and amarok mostly use the very same code
[19:29] <ScottK> Riddell: Currently https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD describes an intent to be an alternative implementation of the KNotify API.
[19:29] <ScottK> I think working with us and KDE upstream to improve KNotify would be great, but that does not appear to be the plan.
[19:29] <kuaera> Re: Amarok: <Hydrogen> kuaera: we've talked a little about it,  waiting for the osd notifications to get merged into knotify, mostly
[19:29] <apachelogger> ScottK: knotify is KDE 3
[19:30] <apachelogger> knotification is KDE 4
[19:30] <apachelogger> so I suppose that makes sense ;-)
[19:30] <ScottK> It says KNotification
[19:30]  * ScottK copied wrong.
[19:30] <ScottK> So KNotify/KNotification throughout above.
[19:31] <apachelogger> hm
[19:31] <apachelogger> in this case I find it weird
[19:31] <ScottK> As I've been saying, I am against Canonical developing an Ubuntu unique replacement for KDE upstream code.  They should work with upstream to improve.
[19:32] <kuaera> I agree, ScottK
[19:32]  * ScottK says enough and goes to do some $WORK.
[19:33] <Riddell> have fun
[19:43] <kuaera> Hrm. Whatever was in the KDE4 update this morning fixed some of my Qt4.5 slowness issues, too. I'm happy about /that/
[19:59] <JontheEchidna> \o apachelogger
[20:03] <smarter> apachelogger: \o/
[20:09] <rgreening> anyone using Firefox here? Do you have any java+FF issues (i.e. crash) under Jaunty?
[20:13] <ScottK> Anyone looking for another project, updating minirok from Git might get us that much closer to getting rid of python-kde3. http://chistera.yi.org/~adeodato/code/minirok/
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: you mean like bug 326078?
[20:28] <rgreening> ya. thats prob it.
[20:28] <rgreening> my buddy is testing Jaunty and crashing on some sites.
[20:29] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: that's konq, but similar issue.
[20:30] <JontheEchidna> maybe it's a java problem
[20:42] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yo
[20:42] <apachelogger> kde svn 930394
[20:42] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ^
[20:42] <apachelogger> worth backporting for the 3 users that would such a feature ;-)
[20:42] <JontheEchidna> I saw that in my morning bugmail drip :P
[20:42] <apachelogger> *use
[20:43] <apachelogger> okies
[20:43] <JontheEchidna> It also requires some kdelibs changes in another commit
[20:47] <Quintasan> ScottK: I've cloned the git, and it looks like it's a ready for debuild >_>
[20:54] <ScottK> Great.
[20:55] <Quintasan> ScottK: I'm just going to add a get-orig-source to rules, could you tell me how do we name the packages from git/svn?
[20:56] <apachelogger> Riddell, ScottK: we should compress kdelibs and all kdebase with lzma
[20:56] <apachelogger> that should free up loads of space on the CD
[20:56] <ScottK> apachelogger: Can that now?
[20:56] <apachelogger> DEB_DH_BUILDDEB_ARGS := -- -Zlzma
[20:56] <ScottK> ... we do that ...
[20:56] <ScottK> Does LP support it?
[20:56] <apachelogger> yes
[20:57] <apachelogger> ooo for example comes with lzma
[20:57] <apachelogger> besides, it's just dpkg-deb foo anyway
[20:57] <Riddell> how much space does it save?
[20:57] <apachelogger> didn't test it yet, but it should be a lot
[20:58] <ScottK> Certainly worth tossing at a PPA and seeing.
[20:58] <apachelogger> saves about 50k for choqok, but since the better part of kde* is a lot bigger than choqok it should free up quite a bit
[20:59]  * apachelogger thinks ubuntu should default to it anyway
[20:59] <apachelogger> or at least bzip2
[20:59] <apachelogger> gzip is just one big fail
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> The only downside I can see with that is that build times would be ever so slightly longer :)
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> <3 lzma
[21:01] <apachelogger> like we would care a lot about that :P
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> exactly
[21:02] <JontheEchidna> btw, upstream removed 60 MB of oxygen svgs is trunk
[21:02] <JontheEchidna> s/is/in/g
[21:02] <apachelogger> where to?
[21:02]  * apachelogger saw a discussion about moving oxygen to a seperate repo outside kdebase
[21:03] <JontheEchidna> dunno
[21:03] <apachelogger> something seemed flawed about the reasoning though ;-)
[21:03] <JontheEchidna> kde rev 922660
[21:03] <apachelogger> oh just a cmake change
[21:03] <JontheEchidna> ah, they're still there just not installed
[21:04] <JontheEchidna> we should backport that
[21:04] <apachelogger> we don't install the svgs
[21:04] <ScottK> We need those in the tarball though (they're the source)
[21:04] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, they just removed them from being installed in the binary packages
[21:04]  * apachelogger thinks that change should have been a cmake option rather than just removing it
[21:05] <JontheEchidna> Oh, did you hear that google-gadgets failed MIR? :(
[21:05] <maco> MIR?
[21:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: why?
[21:05] <JontheEchidna> Main Inclusion report
[21:05] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: they don't have a stable api/abi policy or something dumb like that
[21:06] <ScottK> "If it's going to be in Main, we actually want it to be maintainable"
[21:06] <apachelogger> hm
[21:06] <Riddell> upstream says we should be able to package the plasma-google-gears stuff separately
[21:06] <apachelogger> they know aboutl kdepim's api/abi stability? :P
[21:08] <JontheEchidna> Oh, and 4.2 is in backports now
[21:08]  * JontheEchidna tries to think of other news
[21:08] <JontheEchidna> We haz Qt 4.5 now
[21:09] <Riddell> and amarok won't compile :(
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> :(
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> let me guess, Qtscript?
[21:09] <Riddell> mm hmm
[21:10] <JontheEchidna> I just hope the packaging's in fairly good shape then...
[21:10] <Riddell> packaging?  it's all upstream strangeness
[21:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that would explain all the brokeness :P
[21:10] <JontheEchidna> yeah, but we can't update the packaging until we can build amarok
[21:10] <apachelogger> ScottK: are you giving lzma a try?
[21:11] <JontheEchidna> so I hope there aren't any serious packaging bugs still around
[21:11] <apachelogger> guess, just libs and workspace should be good for starters
[21:11] <ScottK> Not presently.
[21:11] <apachelogger> well, when you have time, otherwise I will try to toss them up at the weekend
[21:12] <apachelogger> btw, we probably should move that builddeb var to kde4.mk and use a bool
[21:12] <apachelogger> much clearer :)
[21:12] <apachelogger> anyway
[21:12] <apachelogger> time for bed
[21:12] <apachelogger> cya
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> nini
[21:14]  * jussi01 wonders if rgreening is a little mixed up where he is...
[21:14] <rgreening> dam.
[21:15] <rgreening> thought I click -devel
[21:15] <jussi01> rgreening: *g*
[21:15] <rgreening> stupid quassel. I miss tabs on the bottom
[21:15] <rgreening> :(
[21:15] <jussi01> rgreening: hehe
[21:15] <rgreening> Riddell: ping
[21:15] <rgreening> I have an issue with qtjambit to discuss when you have some time./
[21:17] <Riddell> sorry about to go out
[21:17] <rgreening> Riddell: np. later or tomorrow
[21:19] <rgreening> Riddell: I think we need to seperate the designer-qtjambi into a seperate package than libqtjambi-dev.
[21:19] <Riddell> why?
[21:21] <rgreening> well, qtjambi-demo package now seems to require some of the .so files from libqtjambi-dev. If I add a dep (which I can do), it will mean installing the .dev and qt-designer and a lot of other things just to view the demos. makes no sense really.
[21:21] <rgreening> so, I need ot seperate something...
[21:21] <rgreening> Riddell: try the package in my PPA and see what I mean.
[21:23] <Riddell> rgreening: sorry no time, but go ahead if it needs to be separated
[21:23] <rgreening> Riddell: ok. Just wanted your input :)
[21:30] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: any idea on what is required to use webkit in Konqueror not that we have Qt+Webkit?
[21:31] <Riddell> rgreening: webkitkde
[21:31] <jussi01> flash still no worky tho
[21:31] <Riddell> works in arora
[21:31] <rgreening> yup
[21:31] <jussi01> yeah, just not in konq
[21:32] <rgreening> though, I need to refresh sometimes
[21:32] <rgreening> where is webkitkde?
[21:32] <rgreening> and I assume it needs an update
[21:32] <Riddell> in the archive, and you assume wrong
[21:32] <jussi01> rgreening: it was updated today...
[21:32] <rgreening> omg. cool
[21:33] <jussi01> least ways it hit my mirror today
[21:33] <Riddell> that doesn't mean it works well :)
[21:33] <rgreening> oh
[21:33] <rgreening> :(
[21:35] <Quintasan> ScottK: Done, but I had some errors, you will need *.changes file?
[21:36] <rgreening> jussi01, Riddell: how do you enable it? I remember a menu option before, but I cant seem to find it.
[21:37] <jussi01> rgreening: go to a web page, then view, view mode, webkit
[21:37] <rgreening> oh, you have to open a web page for the menu to show... doh
[21:37] <jussi01> ;)
[21:38] <ScottK> Quintasan: No, the uploader generates their own -changes.
[21:39] <rgreening> Riddell: yay. Webkitkde crashes konqueror
[21:39] <ScottK> rgreening: But webkit is so much better than khtml we should switch anyway.
[21:40] <Quintasan> ScottK: So what I should do with it?
[21:40] <rgreening> is there a way to set webkitkde by default so I can really test it?
[21:41] <maco> i heard a rumour that kmail trunk doesnt crash constantly. any truth to that one? and if so...when's it expected to reach jaunty?
[21:41] <ScottK> Quintasan: Did you test it?
[21:42] <rgreening> scottk: we cant switch if it constantly crashes. Happened a couple of times already.   Some of that should happen automatically when we get 4.2.1.
[21:43] <maco> ok
[21:44] <maco> by the way, i like kontact :D
[21:44] <ScottK> The best thing for right now is to make sure upstream has relevant bugs so we have a shot at seeing a fix in 4.2.2 or trunk.
[21:44]  * ScottK too.
[21:58] <rgreening> disney.com under Khtml is much better than partly working and slow webkit.
[21:59] <ScottK> You consider disney.com working a feature?
[22:01] <jussi01> rofl!!
[22:01] <Quintasan> ScottK: Hmm, I can't compile it, it works but there is no configuration, it tells me to use make ui in the top directory so I added it to debian/rule but it throws out: pykdeuic4: Permission denied
[22:02] <ScottK> Did you build-dep on python-kde4-dev?
[22:04] <Quintasan> ScottK: yes
[22:05] <ScottK> OK.  Dunno what to tell you. It may be it's not done enough to be usable.
[22:05] <Quintasan> hmm, ok
[22:05] <Quintasan> I'm off, night guys
[22:09]  * nhandler returns apachelogger's hug even though he isn't here
[22:21] <neversfelde> knemo is back for KDE4 and it works for me. Is it possible to get an exception from feature freeze for that?
[22:23] <ScottK> neversfelde: If Riddell is will to say so.
[22:24] <neversfelde> ScottK: ok, I will ping him, when he returns
[22:24] <neversfelde> it is so windows like, but I love it :)
[22:24] <neversfelde> ScottK: thanks
[22:36] <ghostcube> Tm_T, and ? have u tested :D
[23:15] <ghostcube> hmm kubuntu isnt still suuporting google-gadgets with plamsa or ?
[23:15] <JontheEchidna> can't
[23:15] <JontheEchidna> for the moment
[23:17] <JontheEchidna> it'd need to be packaged separately as it stands
[23:22] <ghostcube> thx i was discussing in plasma :)
[23:35] <maco> whomever mentioned installing updates for kdebase as a potential fix for plasma not starting with my config, it seems to have fixed it. thanks
[23:59] <ScottK> Riddell: cheers - kdebindings built on i386.