[04:36] <toran> thanks :)
[04:36] <toran> it's not my main hard drive, I'm hoping I won't need too much luck
[04:37] <TokenBad> thoreauputic,  ok..checking
[04:38] <toran> ok, when I try to unmount my hard drive it says "device busy". how can I check what I have happening on that hard drive?
[04:38] <klaas_> sharp: sorry that was for hd420..
[04:38] <klaas_> hd420:  check out the manpage for dpkg-buildpackage
[04:38] <toran> I closed all windows and changed out of that directory in all my terminals, and it still says busy
[04:39] <klaas_> toran: Maybe the hal-daemon is in the way.
[04:39] <toran> possibly. Lemme do a ps ax and grep for it
[04:39] <toran> 6499 ?        Ss     0:02 /usr/sbin/hald --drop-privilege
[04:40] <toran> should I kill that process?
[04:40] <klaas_> toran: You could try.
[04:40] <toran> still busy
[04:40] <toran> well, I think I'll just take it out of /etc/fstab and reboot
[04:40] <klaas_> toran: Maybe run sync a couple of times then retry.
[04:41] <toran> still busy :|
[04:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> toran what did you try unmount?
[04:41] <klaas_> toran: What filesystem do you want tu unmount?
[04:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> and whas not unmounting
[04:41] <toran> umount /dev/hda2
[04:41] <toran> it is mounted to /old
[04:41] <toran> I'm actually using sudo to run the command
[04:41] <klaas_> toran: What's your cwd?
[04:42] <toran> /home/jon
[04:42] <toran> for all my terminals
[04:42] <toran> no file browser sessions open
[04:42] <klaas_> toran: try: lsof | grep -i '/old'
[04:42] <toran> jon@gimli:~$ sof | grep -i '/old'
[04:42] <toran> -bash: sof: command not found
[04:42] <toran> jon@gimli:~$
[04:42] <thoreauputic> lsof
[04:43] <klaas_> toran: lsof. not sof
[04:43] <toran> got it now :)
[04:43] <toran> thought it was a " | "
[04:43] <scotth> I'm trying to get postfix configured on a network where we automatically install machines.  And I'm trying to keep from munging the main.cf by including in it myhostname = /etc/postfix/host and the README.Debian says that should work, but postfix complains saying the hostname is bad as if its not reading the file... am I reading the README.Debian wrong?  Am I not able to do this?   I'm a developer, not a system admin
[04:45] <Shufla> i'm looking for good ubuntized pdf-reader for gnome (except Acrobat and xpdf)
[04:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey shufla
[04:45] <scotth> Shufla, evince
[04:45] <toran> Shufla: I love kpdf, it is incredible
[04:45] <klaas_> scotth: myhostname = /etc/hostname, localhost.localdomain localhost
[04:45] <hd420> klaas: furthermore, i have no desire to become one
[04:45] <klaas_> scotth: myhostname = /etc/hostname, localhost.localdomain, localhost
[04:45] <Shufla> scotth: ahh :)
[04:45] <klaas_> scotth: maybe
[04:45] <bartekp> Shufla: gpdf but he hasn't search :\
[04:45] <Shufla> afair [petek]  is irc-spammer
[04:46] <toran> ok guys, killed gam_serve and it worked
[04:46] <klaas_> hd420: I won't discuss that with you. sorry.
[04:46] <toran> so if anyone has a similar problem as me, just tell 'em to try killing gam_server
[04:46] <scotth> klaas_, yeah, no dice.  Still doesn't like the file thing
[04:46] <klaas_> hd420: I understand your frustrations but if the package you require is broken you'll have to find another way.. compile it..
[04:46] <penguinboy> I need help
[04:46] <Shufla> is evincie hoary ubuntuized?
[04:47] <scotth> Shufla, I believe so
[04:47] <scotth> I use it on a daily basis
[04:47] <klaas_> scotth: Strange, it works for /etc/mailname...
[04:47] <scotth> it may be in universe
[04:47] <lamont-away> scotth: policy (debian) says that things get the hostname from /etc/mailname...
[04:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> penguinboy, always STATE THE PROBLEM
[04:47] <justin> hd420: so file a bug on the darcs package to get it fixed
[04:47] <klaas_> scotth: Maybe you should check out the postfix mailinglists? Maybe the irc channel? #postfix
[04:47] <lamont-away> but if you just put 'foo.baz.com' in /etc/postfix/host, it should work
[04:47] <scotth> klaas_, doesn't do it on my system for /etc/mailname
[04:47] <klaas_> scotth: Or report the bug and wait.
[04:48] <klaas_> scotth: Sorry, that's for hd420.
[04:48] <scotth> yeah I have the machine's FQDN in /etc/postfix/host
[04:48] <klaas_> hd420: Or report the bug and wait.
[04:48] <lamont-away> scotth: are you using the postfix from upstream, or from ubuntu?
[04:48] <Shufla> ok, got it :D
[04:48] <scotth> lamont-away, ubuntu
[04:48] <scotth> it says you can do that right in the README.Debian
[04:48] <klaas_> scotth: Won't it start at all?
[04:48] <lamont-away> oh - wait.. myhostname, or mailorigin?
[04:48] <Shufla> it's so lame... polish goverment sites use .doc all the time. F@CK!!!
[04:49] <TokenBad> I did what the one site said...added the sites for the java plugin..and did the sudo apt-get install sun-j2sdk1.5.0 but it says can't find the package
[04:49] <scotth> lamont-away,  myhostname is what I want to set
[04:49] <lamont-away> myhostname doesn't read files - myorigin does
[04:49] <hd420> klaas: the bug appears to be with libgmp, there could be one with darcs as well, but apt doesn't get that far
[04:49] <lamont-away> and myorigin only does in debian and debian derived packages
[04:49] <TokenBad> I also did the update command
[04:49] <scotth> where do you find that stated?
[04:50] <Shufla> eh :( it do not have continous view :(
[04:50] <lamont-away> # INTERNET HOST AND DOMAIN NAMES
[04:50] <lamont-away> #
[04:50] <lamont-away> # The myhostname parameter specifies the internet hostname of this
[04:50] <lamont-away> # mail system. The default is to use the fully-qualified domain name
[04:50] <lamont-away> # from gethostname(). $myhostname is used as a default value for many
[04:50] <lamont-away> # other configuration parameters.
[04:50] <lamont-away> #
[04:50] <lamont-away> from the fully-blown config file
[04:50] <scotth> ahh thanks
[04:50] <lamont-away>  /usr/share/postfix/main.cf.dist
[04:51] <klaas_> lamonth-away: Would it help then to leave out the directive and let the default get it.
[04:51] <lamont-away> scotth: and from myorigin:
[04:51] <lamont-away> # Debian GNU/Linux specific:  Specifying a file name will cause the
[04:51] <lamont-away> # first line of that file to be used as the name.  The Debian default
[04:51] <lamont-away> # is /etc/mailname.
[04:51] <klaas_> lamonth-away: s/get it/do the job/
[04:51] <lamont-away> klaas_: yes
[04:51] <lamont-away> the default is to use hostname --fqdn, and hope that it's right.
[04:52] <lamont-away> sadly, for most ubuntu systems, hostname --fqdn returns 'localhost.localdomain./
[04:52] <chillywilly> *thwap*
[04:52] <klaas_> lamonth-away: edit /etc/hosts..
[04:52] <lamont-away> anyway, really really ,really off to the office, and away now.
[04:52] <scotth> yeah I'm trying to figure out how to do that now
[04:52] <lamont-away> klaas_: yeah - that's what I do. :)
[04:52] <lamont-away> scotth: make the first entry of the <IP_ADDRESS> line be the fqdn
[04:53] <lamont-away> instead of "localhost.localdomain"
[04:53] <penguinboy> I need assistance with installing a tarball.  I first downloaded the tarball and installed it into /home/penguinboy/Desktop/Downloads/.  Then, from Konsole I ran #tar xvzf /home/penguinboy/Desktop/Downloads/tellico-0.13.7.tar.gz.  The files were then displayd.  I then typed #cd tellico-0.13.7.tar.gz and got the error:  bash: cd: tellico-etc: No such file or directory.  I then typed #cd /home/penguinboy/Desktop/Downloads/tellico-etc and got the followin
[04:53] <penguinboy> oy/Desktop/Downloads/tellico-0.13.7.tar.gz: Not a directory
[04:53] <lamont-away> later
[04:53] <Shufla> BTW. Postfix has _GREAT_ documentation avaiable at http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html
[04:53] <scotth> lamont-away, that didn't work, but I'm guessing I can thank libnss-switch for that... thanks for the help though, I'm off to munge main.cf
[04:53] <brum> i need to move a mysql db from win to ubuntu, anyone know how to move all of the data?
[04:53] <lamont-away> Shufla: much of which is also in the postfix-doc package
[04:54] <klaas_> scotth: Maybe run /etc/init.d/hostname restart
[04:54] <Shufla> indeed. and postfix docs are easy to read and ... i just can't stand my poor english knowledge
[04:54] <klaas_> scotth: Sorry, that  doesn't work either.
[04:54] <scotth> klaas_, that last one got it
[04:55] <scotth> thanks
[04:55] <klaas_> scotth: Either restart or /sbin/sysctl -w kernel.domainname="example.com"
[04:56] <penguinboy> any insight into my problem?
[04:57] <hondje> penguinboy: ls didn't show a new directory made when you extracted the tarball?
[04:57] <klaas_> penguinboy: ls?
[04:57] <penguinboy> just a sexc
[04:57] <penguinboy> sec
[04:57] <CountDown> Heya... anyone using Ogre3D on Ubuntu?  Any success?
[04:58] <penguinboy> penguinboy@desktop:~$ ls
[04:58] <penguinboy> bookcase_0.6.6-2_i386.deb  Desktop  tellico-0.13.7
[04:58] <hondje> cd tellico<tab>
[04:59] <Shufla> ok. weekend officialy started. bye bye :D
[04:59] <penguinboy> penguinboy@desktop:~$ cd tellico-0.13.7/
[04:59] <penguinboy> penguinboy@desktop:~/tellico-0.13.7$
[04:59] <hondje> now you're in it
[04:59] <klaas_> penguinboy: Check the README..
[04:59] <radddx> hey all
[04:59] <klaas_> penguinboy: and/or INSTALL
[05:00] <mayco> Is it safe already to update the Xorg packages in breezy?
[05:00] <penguinboy> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[05:00] <penguinboy> See `config.log' for more details.
[05:00] <klaas_> mayco:  believe the topic is: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DON'T USE BREEZY YET
[05:00] <stevegriff> lets say I want to install spamassassin and maybe cyrus-sasl on ubuntu - I take it that the software installer has the packages somewhere for those
[05:00] <mayco> klaas_, yes, i know, but i'm testing quite some stuff to see what is changed, and so far, i like breezy
[05:01] <TokenBad> ok i know I asked this a min ago..but what is ftp server aplication that can get for ubuntu?
[05:01] <hondje> TokenBad: vsftpd
[05:01] <mfgalizi> I'm having a hard time making packages work on Ubuntu and Debian.  Can someone redirect me to the appropriate room?
[05:01] <radddx> I'm having trouble getting Hoary to work with my system- install goes ok then after the reboot and package installs, it starts GDM and I have a corrupted display with pointer.
[05:01] <TokenBad> ok
[05:01] <TokenBad> get the rpm files?
[05:01] <klaas_> mayco: If you're testing and trying out an unstable branche there's no guarantee you'll be able to upgrade without any problems.]
[05:02] <hondje> TokenBad: no, use synaptic to install them
[05:02] <liwen> hello every
[05:02] <klaas_> mayco: In fact you're bound to get into trouble.. that's why it's still unstable. ;-)
[05:02] <mayco> klaas_, that doesn't matter, as long as i can test it, i'm happy. I planned to reinstall breezy anyway when it's released
[05:02] <penguinboy> should I install gawk, gcc, cc, or cl???
[05:02] <hondje> penguinboy: up to you
[05:03] <klaas_> mayco: Then what's the use of asking if you're going to install it anyway?
[05:03] <hondje> I would, since I compile things I like having gcc around
[05:03] <radddx> is this just a problem with radeon 9250's and large displays? My lcd is 1600x1200 native res
[05:03] <penguinboy> will that take care of:  configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[05:03] <klaas_> mayco: known problems?
[05:03] <liwen> is ununtu support hotplug usb?
[05:03] <klaas_> liwen: yes.
[05:03] <mayco> klaas_, yes, i saw there were quite some problems with Xorg, and i was wondering if they are fixed now
[05:03] <klaas_> liwen: works for me.
[05:03] <liwen> why i plugin a usbdisk , not work
[05:04] <mayco> klaas_, so i don't need to upgrade for nothing
[05:04] <klaas_> mayco: I have no idea.. ;-) good luck.
[05:04] <mayco> klaas_, btw, if nobody would run breezy, there would be no testing, and the final woudn't be so stable :)
[05:05] <klaas_> mayco: True.
[05:05] <TokenBad> synaptic?
[05:05] <liwen> 32M usbdisk. i cant find it in /media/usbdisk
[05:05] <penguinboy> okay I installed gcc and then ran ./configure and I got this message:  configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check...now what?
[05:05] <liwen> klaas?
[05:06] <klaas_> liwen: I think it's mounted elsewhere. I'll check it out.
[05:06] <inc595> hey anyone know how to fix the windows share in nautilus
[05:06] <TokenBad> hondje,  how use synaptic?
[05:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> fix?
[05:06] <hondje> TokenBad: system -> admin -> synaptic
[05:07] <Luakagon> gah! I need help :< trying to install ndiswrapper for good wireless internet time, but I have to have kernel sources.  Where can I get them?  Are they on the installation disk?
[05:07] <sproingie> argh.  how can anyone possibly like openoffice?
[05:07] <hondje> TokenBad: If you aren't very knowledgable about this stuff, I'd recommend you seriously RTFM before setting up an ftp server.  Getting owned is unpleasant
[05:07] <sproingie> i'm 20 minutes into using it
[05:07] <sproingie> and i'm already feeling homicidal
[05:07] <inc595> sproingie, openoffice rox
[05:07] <penguinboy> i like openoffice
[05:08] <hondje> what's waht wrong with openoffice?
[05:08] <inc595> sproingie, i think code weavers have a version of microsoft office that works on linux
[05:08] <sproingie> for me, it pops up this "clippie" like thing, except it does nothing but just appear.  clicking ANY button on it pops up a BLANK help dialog
[05:08] <NaTaZ> hi @ all
[05:09] <klaas_> liwen: wierd my usb-stick won't mount at all.. I never had problems with it before.
[05:09] <Luakagon> hi@u
[05:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[05:09] <liwen> klaas_  ok
[05:09] <sproingie> it uses "smart quotes" though I still haven't tracked down the setting for turning them off.  admittedly my doc has quotes in weird places, so it would probably confuse word too
[05:09] <NaTaZ> I have a little problem
[05:09] <penguinboy> checking whether we are using the GNU C++ compiler... no
[05:09] <penguinboy> checking whether g++ accepts -g... no
[05:09] <NaTaZ> i want to install nmap and nmapfe
[05:09] <liwen> klaas_  haha ,whats problem
[05:09] <penguinboy> checking dependency style of g++... none
[05:09] <inc595> so any know why one day I could browser my windows boxes with nautilus one day and not now
[05:09] <sproingie> the dropdown for "styles" doesn't actually show any styles.  you have to use the style navigator
[05:09] <penguinboy> checking whether g++ supports -Wmissing-format-attribute... no
[05:09] <NaTaZ> but i havent got my cd with me
[05:09] <penguinboy> checking whether gcc supports -Wmissing-format-attribute... yes
[05:09] <penguinboy> checking whether g++ supports -Wundef... no
[05:09] <hondje> penguinboy: please dont' flood
[05:09] <penguinboy> checking whether g++ supports -Wno-long-long... no
[05:09] <penguinboy> checking whether g++ supports -Wnon-virtual-dtor... no
[05:09] <penguinboy> checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp
[05:09] <penguinboy> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[05:09] <sproingie> changing a style to a heading doesn't actually change its font size
[05:10] <penguinboy> sorry...i was just posting my errors when I ran ./configure
[05:10] <klaas_> liwen: dmesg detects it no prob. but no automount.
[05:10] <sproingie> at least it's more stable than abiword.  i used to love abiword
[05:10] <sproingie> now it crashes every other thing i do
[05:10] <NaTaZ> how can i say synaptic that he has to download it
[05:10] <NaTaZ> from internet and not from the cd
[05:10] <NaTaZ> ?
[05:11] <sproingie> maybe kword has what i want.  not that i ever found koffice all that stable either
[05:11] <liwen> ohh. what happen. mount to where
[05:11] <klaas_> liwen: oh well, you can always mount by hand.
[05:11] <TokenBad> hondje, rtfm?
[05:12] <klaas_> liwen: dmesg
[05:12] <hondje> TokenBad: read the manual
[05:12] <liwen> mount /dev/sda1? or sda2?
[05:13] <liwen> klaas ?
[05:13] <NaTaZ> anyone?
[05:13] <NaTaZ> please i need help
[05:13] <demantik> hello people
[05:13] <inc595> NaTaZ, belview is in another channel
[05:13] <klaas_> liwen: look for tail /var/log/syslog | grep 'creating device node'
[05:14] <NaTaZ> bel what?
[05:14] <sproingie> NaTaZ: edit the cdrom line out of your sources.list
[05:14] <inc595> nm
[05:14] <NaTaZ> okay, thx
[05:14] <klaas_> liwen: then sudo mkdir /media/usbmem
[05:14] <klaas_> liwen: sudo mount /dev/{newdevice} /media/usbmem
[05:14] <sproingie> NaTaZ: probably wise to just comment it out, actually
[05:14] <NaTaZ> jipp
[05:14] <TokenBad> ahh
[05:15] <NaTaZ> thx @ sproingie
[05:15] <hondje> it'd be cool if firestarter watched auth.log
[05:15] <demantik> Can anybody explain why H264 movies run about 2x better on ubuntu than winxp? lol j/k =P
[05:15] <liwen> klaas thx .i try .
[05:15] <inc595> firestarter is evil.. it blocks isohunt
[05:15] <hondje> isohunt?
[05:16] <demantik> blocks isohunt? lol
[05:16] <demantik> unblock it then.
[05:16] <inc595> ya
[05:16] <hondje> I like firestarter, makes smarter rules than port-obsessed apps like guarddog
[05:16] <klaas_> liwen: /dev/sda1 = 1st partition, /dev/sda2 = 2nd partition.
[05:16] <demantik> basic program..but yes it works.
[05:17] <inc595> well actually isohunt causes firestarter to block it
[05:17] <hondje> firestarter blocks dict, though, which irks me
[05:17] <inc595> damn isohunt for trying to port scan me
[05:18] <hondje> what is isohunt?
[05:18] <inc595> isohunt.org
[05:18] <inc595> check it out
[05:18] <Teherkan> hi
[05:19] <demantik> i never found much good there
[05:19] <demantik> pretty minimal results.
[05:19] <inc595> sorry ish=ohunt.com
[05:19] <inc595> argh
[05:19] <inc595> isohunt.com lol
[05:19] <inc595> demantik, i find everything there
[05:19] <hondje> oh, it's p2p
[05:19] <Teherkan> my ubuntu laptop does not recognize the minus at startup, i have to change keyboard setings /change for another model/ to use te - or the _
[05:20] <hondje> I stopped doing that when napster died
[05:20] <Teherkan> what should i do?
[05:20] <inc595> napster is back lol
[05:20] <hondje> Maybe the name resolves, but it's still dead to me
[05:20] <hornsby> got a problem with some email coming from France, can see ?
[05:20] <tommi^> Hi. I'm configuring my sound system. All sounds play just fine but I can't get my microphone to work. Multimedia Systems Selector: Default sink as alsa works but when testing the default source as alsa or esd I get: "failed to construct pipeline".  I've configured asound.conf (not if it's right) and set the volumes correct. Alsamixer identifies my SB live as card 1. What should I do? Thanks
[05:20] <wdh> inc595, depends on what you define as 'back' :)
[05:21] <inc595> wdh, i hear that
[05:21] <hornsby> sorry, can't see the caractere with    ...
[05:21] <hornsby> why so ?
[05:21] <hondje> No good music to download anymore, either...I own all the cd's I want
[05:21] <radddx> has anyone here had problems with a radeon 9250 and a 1600x1200 lcd?
[05:21] <inc595> hondje, move on to movies lol
[05:21] <hondje> inc595: Just can't bring myself to do it, dunno
[05:22] <hondje> maybe it's that moral-nagging, maybe it's just being too old to care about moives
[05:22] <wdh> tommi^, try using some volume manager.. you mic is probably muted?
[05:22] <inc595> hondje, just sit back and wait for the movie industry to come knocking atyour door
[05:22] <toran> Hey guys, I'm trying to get the media player working in the kde file-sharing program "apollon". when I click on the "player" tab, I see the message "Please install the KDE multimedia-video package to enable the media player.". I'm on [k] ubuntu, and I tried typing "apt-get install kdemultimedia-video", but it couldn't find any packages. I looked through the package list and didn't see anything of the sort in there, either. What should i do?
[05:22] <tommi^> wdh, it's not muted.
[05:22] <hondje> the movie industy irks me
[05:22] <hondje> all the new kids movies for my daughter have some damn 'don't steal movies' thing at the beginninig
[05:23] <J35U5> toran, synaptic it.
[05:23] <inc595> people irk me :)
[05:23] <paulfox> hi all
[05:23] <hornsby> hi everybody, I have problems with some email coming from france and some french webpages, I can't see any character like    ... any idea ?
[05:23] <wdh> tommi^, how do you know that? i dont recall recognising anything called 'asound.conf' on my system
[05:23] <hondje> I'm all for defending your IP, etc, the gpl needs it, but I don't like people trying to tell my daughter right from wrong, that's my job X(
[05:23] <paulfox> is it possible to add an extension on to each file name in a dir, without having to do them one at a time?
[05:24] <radddx> hmm is the right place to ask for help with ubuntu?
[05:24] <demantik> yes
[05:24] <inc595> hondje, blind control over you all HAHAHA
[05:24] <wdh> tommi^, apt-cache search kde |grep multimedia
[05:24] <hondje> inc595: eh, I'll just rip them, take that crap out, and burn them :)
[05:24] <demantik> radddx - looks like nobody's had that problem
[05:25] <SigNagE> can someone help me with my network?
[05:25] <tommi^> wdh, I know that because I've set the volume and not muted from the gnome volume control for the microphone. /etc/asound.conf is on my system and is mentioned in documents in ubuntuforum
[05:25] <paulfox> any ideas anyone?
[05:25] <hondje> tommi^: killall esd help?
[05:25] <hornsby> am I the only  one having problem with character like    ?
[05:25] <hondje> paulfox: yes, it sure is
[05:25] <wdh> hondje, search for 'utf-8' on the wiki, there'll probably be a solution there.. bottomline is that you need to use it :) no time explaining exactly how to change to it..
[05:25] <radddx> I've tried to install hoary386 a few times onto a amd64-3200/radeon 9250/1600x1200lcd but every time the box restarts after the install the Gnome UI or whatever is corrupt! It's horrible, I can't do anything
[05:25] <toran> I already have all the kdemultimeda packages installed, excepting the kdemultimedia-dev package
[05:25] <inc595> hondje, even though you paid for the dvd you can't rip it and do what you want with it.. <sarcasim>
[05:26] <wdh> s/hondje/hornsby
[05:26] <zerokills> serious problem::  whenever i run sudo apt-get install on any package, i get an error message saying "The following packages have unmet dependencies:" and gives a list of packages
[05:26] <hondje> wdh: ? Wrong guy I think
[05:26] <hondje> hehe
[05:26] <wdh> hornsby, , search for 'utf-8' on the wiki, there'll probably be a solution there.. bottomline is that you need to use it :) no time explaining exactly how to change to it..
[05:26] <SigNagE> just installed ubuntu (im totally new to linux) and found the appropriate drivers for my card, but i have no idea how to install them
[05:26] <paulfox> hondje, any clues on how to achieve it? i've tried a for loop,  but cant get the syntax right
[05:26] <wdh> hondje, lazy on the auto-complete :)
[05:26] <Stargazer_> I'm new to Ubuntu 5.04 PPC.. I have a few questions about playing video.. I have no problem installing VLC and it will play video (avi,divx) but never with sound.  If I use the Totem player it always plays sounds but no video.  Now, I install mplayer and I go to quicktime.com for example and the plugin downloads a movie trailer to 100% and then does nothing more at all.. no sound/no video.. Is there ANY solution in ubuntu that works at
[05:27] <hornsby> i did dpkg-reconfigure locales and stuff
[05:27] <wdh> hornsby, thats probably what you need..
[05:27] <wdh> and after that restart the computer i guess :)
[05:27] <hornsby> i just did it, but the problem remains
[05:27] <plod[wk] > has anybody managed to get gmailfs working on hoary?
[05:27] <hornsby> did that
[05:28] <hondje> paulfox: use rename
[05:28] <zerokills> serious problem::  whenever i run sudo apt-get install on any package, i get an error message saying "The following packages have unmet dependencies:" and gives a list of packages
[05:28] <tommi^> hondje, noup. What I'm wondering what the multimedia systems selector's default source should be and why it doesn't seem to test correctly
[05:28] <paulfox> hondje, i'll look into it, thanks
[05:28] <DagaZ> is it possible to make a bridge with just one card and add another one later?
[05:28] <radddx> also ubuntu 4 doesn't install properly, the GDM/X/whatever is just corrupt. The only thing that works is the live cd and even that can only do 1024x768
[05:29] <hondje> paulfox: man rename will show you how to do it, pretty straight forward
[05:29] <plod[wk] > zerokills what does sudo apt-get dist-upgrade do?
[05:29] <zanaga> right.. any good ideas how to install ubuntu without having an install CD or a floppy drive? ;)
[05:29] <Eddie> Hi hi people
[05:30] <radddx> so basically I can't use any ubuntu distros other than the live cd. Is
[05:30] <Eddie> network install?
[05:30] <zanaga> Eddie: booting from what?
[05:30] <paulfox> hondje, it's showing regex stuff. so you cant rename a load of files without learning regex/perl expressions?
[05:30] <hornsby> ok, I found the problem, thanks anyway
[05:30] <zerokills> plod[wk] : same error
[05:30] <Eddie> zanaga: the network, as far as I know theres an option to boot from another pc to which youre networked
[05:30] <zanaga> Eddie: network server.. stupid me, you solved my problems
[05:30] <zanaga> Eddie: thanks, you saved my day..
[05:30] <Eddie> zanaga: why the lack of CD drive?
[05:31] <hornsby> Leaving
[05:31] <Eddie> zanaga: lol, when last I checked the channel name wasnt #sarcasm
[05:31] <zanaga> Eddie: the computer has a CD drive, but i can't make a boot cd
[05:31] <hondje> paulfox: yeah, can't really be done
[05:31] <Eddie> zanaga: well it might be possible to still install
[05:31] <demantik> zanaga: ubuntu should boot itself ?
[05:31] <paulfox> hondje, urgh what a hassle
[05:31] <radddx> are high resolution lcds on dvi with radeon 92xx's not supported at all?
[05:31] <hondje> paulfox: yeah..what arey ou trying to do?
[05:32] <hornsby> #Leaving
[05:32] <Eddie> zanaga: you could perhaps mount the image from another partition during isntall
[05:32] <Eddie> *install
[05:32] <Eddie> not sure if ubuntu can
[05:32] <zanaga> Eddie: yeah, but the problem is that i want to install ubuntu today and i'm too lazy to head off to a friends place to burn a cd
[05:32] <Eddie> debian once could
[05:32] <hondje> Yeah, I did it that way once, it was ugly but worked
[05:32] <zerokills> should i just reinstall Ubuntu?
[05:32] <zanaga> but the network boot will be enough.. (assuming that the nic can do PXE)
[05:32] <paulfox> got about 100 csv files, but the .extension is their creation date and i want it to be .csv - so just need to add .csv to the end
[05:32] <demantik> Maybe im not understanding something?...Of Course Ubuntu boots itself from cd....?
[05:32] <SigNagE> can anyone help me...just installed ubuntu (im totally new to linux) and found the appropriate drivers for my w/network card, but i have no idea how to install them
[05:32] <Eddie> theres also the usb media option
[05:33] <Eddie> if you unpacked the ISO onto a usb media of sufficient size
[05:33] <Eddie> chances are it can boot from it
[05:33] <hondje> paulfox: ouch, all different too?
[05:33] <zanaga> Eddie: last i tried to boot from an usb stick i failed miserably, i'm assuming that my stick is incapable of booting =(
[05:33] <Eddie> my computer used to hang trying to boot from my camera lol
[05:33] <paulfox> hondje, aye
[05:33] <radddx> :(
[05:33] <Eddie> zanaga: =( damn, that was the cleanest option
[05:33] <zanaga> checking for PXE
[05:33] <hondje> paulfox: Let me ask a smarter guy
[05:34] <paulfox> hondje, been trying "for i in *.csv.*;do mv $i $i.csv;done" - but no good :)
[05:34] <Eddie> brb
[05:34] <SigNagE> can anyone help me...just installed ubuntu (im totally new to linux) and found the appropriate drivers for my w/network card, but i have no idea how to install them
[05:34] <penguinboy> I need help.......I have this message when I ran ./configure......checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!...when I tried to apt-get install xorg-dev it said: E: Couldn't find package xorg-dev
[05:35] <Dethread> penguinboy, why are you compiling X from source?
[05:35] <zanaga> Oh great! no PXE =(
[05:36] <penguinboy> I am not.....I am compiling tellico.....from the tellico directory I typed ./configure and got the message
[05:37] <demantik> H.264 Codec, for encoding with MPlayer - Where can i get it?
[05:37] <radddx> has anyone here had any problems with ATI cards and not being able to get anywhere with the install??
[05:37] <demantik> radddx - nope..what does it do.
[05:37] <demantik> exactly
[05:38] <radddx> (possibly in connection with high resolution LCds)
[05:38] <mz2> should the backports be up?
[05:38] <mz2> oh right, the website explains it
[05:39] <radddx> the install goes ok until the reboot, the packages are installed, but then when it goes from the console to Gnome (GDM?) I just see a cursor and a corrupted display
[05:39] <demantik> corrupted..in what way.
[05:39] <demantik> sounds odd.
[05:39] <radddx> it looks like a 70's wallpaper design, the cursor is fine but the whole screen is just screwed up lines and multicoloured
[05:40] <jind_> Whats the name of the Gnome sound daemon?
[05:40] <mz2> radddx, that's happened to me, when fglrx installation is fucked
[05:40] <jind_> Is it esd?
[05:40] <radddx> also, caps lock etc doesn't work and no key combos can kill the window manager
[05:40] <jind_> Or is that enlightenment?
[05:40] <prisca> how do I change the default view in nautilus? I want tree view & browser
[05:40] <demantik> didnt use fglrxconfig did you?
[05:40] <radddx> so the system has pretty much frozen apart from the cursor
[05:41] <radddx> hmm well this is just a standard install and it happens with warty AND hoary but not the live cd
[05:41] <demantik> all i did, was install the fglrx package, and edited the xorg.conf and changed the driver from "ati" to "fglrx" didnt want to mess around with the fglrxconfig, because ive had problems
[05:41] <reka> radddx: try and reconfigure the xorg package (hoary): dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg iirc
[05:42] <jind_> prisca, I don't remember the details, but I know that question is answered in at the www.ubuntuguide.org site
[05:42] <iwantitall> hi. why does most of my respirtory "hit" when I try to reload the package info?
[05:42] <jind_> But, does anybody knwo what the sound daemon in Gnome is called?
[05:42] <smoky_> hi there
[05:42] <radddx> ok cheers
[05:42] <reka> jind_: i think it's esd
[05:42] <SigNagE> can anyone help me...just installed ubuntu (im totally new to linux) and found the appropriate drivers for my w/network card, but i have no idea how to install them
[05:42] <justin> iwantitall: because that is what it is supposed to do?
[05:42] <iwantitall> jind_ so do I.
[05:42] <smoky_> i have problems with my brightness keys on my acer travelmate
[05:43] <jind_> Alright. I suspect so too
[05:43] <smoky_> anyone any idea how to solve succh problem?
[05:43] <iwantitall> justin: is it suposed to hit? isn't supposed to say "done" ?
[05:43] <jind_> smoky_, works here. I have a travelmate 290
[05:43] <smoky_> i searched the forums but didn't find an real answer
[05:43] <reka> demantik: are you having problems with the fglrx install?  you probably didn't load the module
[05:43] <reka> ubotu: tell demantik about fglrxinstall
[05:44] <reka> ah, crap
[05:44] <smoky_> jind_: i have the problem that they only work some times...
[05:44] <reka> demantik: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowTo
[05:44] <demantik> i had some problems, couldnt remember totally what they were..but its working now, on the basic setup im using haha
[05:44] <smoky_> i need 3 minutes or so to adjust my brightness
[05:44] <jind_> Maybe you can add a acpi=off and see if that helps?
[05:44] <smoky_> but i don't understand cause this should be a bios function
[05:44] <justin> iwantitall: I think it only says that if it changed
[05:44] <smoky_> it works under windows and other linux distros
[05:45] <smoky_> but not under linux
[05:45] <jind_> You add that in the kernel line in the grub config
[05:45] <smoky_> sorry ubuntu hoary
[05:45] <iwantitall> justin: ok. cause I tried to download azureus "sudo apt-get install azureus"
[05:45] <smoky_> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-26161.html - this guy has the same problem, but no solution
[05:45] <demantik> reka - no problems at all...i just didnt go through half the crap i was doing the other way..frame rates seem to be about the same as ive always had, with other distros..no errors about opengl.
[05:45] <iwantitall> justin: but I couldn't find it.
[05:45] <jind_> Try acpi=off first. If the kernel controlles the acpi, it will block the bios control over it
[05:46] <smoky_> jind_: but i need acpi for the rest!
[05:46] <SigNagE> can anyone help me...just installed ubuntu (im totally new to linux) and found the appropriate drivers for my w/network card, but i have no idea how to install them
[05:46] <justin> SigNagE: what drivers would those be?
[05:46] <smoky_> anyone other here, with an acer travelmate?
[05:46] <SigNagE> acx100-0.2.0pre8_plus_fixes_57
[05:47] <smoky_> jind_: any other hints?
[05:47] <inc595> evil nautilus samba share
[05:47] <demantik> what file extension SigNagE
[05:47] <hondje> I could never get nautilus to go to my samba shares
[05:47] <justin> SigNagE: you already have the acx driver
[05:47] <hondje> xffm, konq, apples' finder, everyone else can see it
[05:47] <demantik> hah
[05:47] <ramblingturtle23> ? i just installed firefox update from synaptic thinking it was going to fix the bug for extensions but it did not work did i miss a step or something or do i still have to do the work around to get extensions running
[05:48] <jind_> smoky_, sorry mate. I'm out of guesses
[05:48] <inc595> hondje, it worked at first now it doesn't
[05:48] <smoky_> anyone else here with an ACER TRAVELMATE?
[05:48] <iwantitall> someone who knows wich respirtory that holds azureus?
[05:48] <justin> my laptop has linux-image-2.6.10-5-686: /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/acx/acx_pci.ko and linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-686: /lib/hotplug/firmware/TIACX111.BIN-2.6.10-5-686
[05:48] <justin> iwantitall: repository
[05:49] <iwantitall> justin: thanks!
[05:49] <reka> ramblingturtle23: what bug?
[05:49] <ramblingturtle23> reka: i cant install extensions in firefox
[05:49] <iwantitall> anyone who knows wich repository that holds azureus?
[05:49] <ramblingturtle23>   reka:   Ubuntu Bug 10681
[05:50] <hondje> anyone here using matlab?
[05:51] <reka> ramblingturtle23: aha, that version problem.
[05:51] <reka> ramblingturtle23: type about:config in the url bar
[05:51] <ramblingturtle23> reka: cool one sec
[05:51] <reka> in the filter box, type "1.0.2"
[05:52] <pepsi_> how can i check the md5 of a burned cd?
[05:52] <reka> actually, filter for vendorsub
[05:52] <reka> ramblingturtle23: double click on it and change the value to 1.0.4
[05:53] <dr_willis> pepsi,  i think you can run the md5 command on the /dev/cdrom device.
[05:53] <iwantitall> no worry, I found the answer, hadn't updatet my repository with the changes made to ubuntuguide.
[05:54] <demantik> Anybody know what the current NTFS Write support is like? how safe is it....and how do i enable it...i just want to be able to delete, and move files.
[05:54] <ramblingturtle23> reka: vendorsub i am not seeing that is it under preference name
[05:54] <SigNagE> justin, pm
[05:54] <hondje> any java programmers around?
[05:55] <TokenBad> man...I can't figure out why cedega will not work
[05:55] <reka> ramblingturtle23: yes: general.useragent.vendorSub
[05:55] <hondje> java.awt.AWTException: cannot open XIM  ....anyone have a clue?
[05:56] <Trixsey> Anyone have time to help me recomend and install a good Linux DC++ Client?
[05:56] <jmjones> has anyone gotten hardware acceleration working on an ATI x300 mobile video card for a dell laptop?
[05:57] <demantik> laptops arent for gaming..haha..sorry, had to say that..
[05:57] <m0rphx> TokenBad: it works for me. what problem do you have?
[05:57] <penguinboy> lol
[05:57] <ramblingturtle23> reka: thank you! It works now
[05:57] <Howitzer> ehh
[05:57] <dr_willis> my Emachine6800 eas decent for games.. :P  - almost as good as a low end desktop. *sigh* heh heh
[05:57] <TokenBad> it just gives errors
[05:57] <Howitzer> i forgot the copy comman again -_-
[05:57] <demantik> cp
[05:58] <demantik> hah
[05:58] <reka> ramblingturtle23: no worries.  weird how you know the bug number ... the solution has been posted on the bugzilla site.  next time google :-]
[05:58] <Howitzer> oh yes
[05:58] <Howitzer> ty
[05:58] <plod[wk] > gah
[05:58] <demantik> np.
[05:58] <SigNagE> can anyone help me...just installed ubuntu (im totally new to linux) and found the appropriate drivers for my w/network card, but i have no idea how to install them
[05:58] <TokenBad> m0rphx, gives errors like this
[05:58] <TokenBad> cp: cannot stat `/usr/lib/transgaming_cedega//.transgaming': No such file or directory
[05:58] <TokenBad> chmod: cannot access `/root/.transgaming': No such file or directory
[05:59] <m0rphx> you're running it as root?
[05:59] <m0rphx> did you install the .deb file or per .tgz?
[05:59] <TokenBad> tgz
[05:59] <TokenBad> I gunziped it
[05:59] <TokenBad> then tar
[05:59] <TokenBad> then tried to run ./cedega
[06:00] <demantik> GTA SA - Cedega...anybody know if it works, and how fast it runs compared to on win.
[06:00] <dr_willis> hmm..   may want to double check the cedega install docs
[06:00] <ramblingturtle23> reka: i am still a newbie and could not understand the work around that i read but i am still trying to learn
[06:00] <dr_willis> demantik,  according to the CEDEGA forums - its not working yet.
[06:00] <demantik> ah ok
[06:00] <m0rphx> TokenBad: try to install it per deb file, it works and is easy. otherwise, see if there's an install file
[06:00] <Trixsey> Anyone have time to help me? :(
[06:00] <demantik> how about vice city, or even 3...comparable speed to win?
[06:00] <reka> ramblingturtle23: s'ok.  by all means ask here if you want to.
[06:00] <dr_willis> demantik,  i do have Guildwars Soft Or working. P),, Vice city does work.
[06:01] <Trixsey> reka, I need help :)
[06:01] <demantik> ok cool.
[06:01] <TokenBad> how would I install from a deb file?
[06:01] <Howitzer> aaaaaaaaargh
[06:01] <Trixsey> reka, Can you recomend a good DC++ client with a GUI?
[06:01] <dr_willis> demantik,  same with GTA - i hear they both work very well..  However I think there maybe some issues  if you are on an AMD64 file
[06:01] <demantik> ah alright
[06:01] <dr_willis> TokenBad,  the Cedega install docs tell you the exact process to get their packages installed.
[06:02] <demantik> dr_willis, do you know of any good native games, out now, or near future, apart from enemy territory, doom, and americas army?
[06:02] <chiquito> buenas tardes
[06:02] <Mayhem> does the Ubuntu DVD install have substantially more packages than the CD?
[06:02] <dr_willis> TokenBad,  thers about 4 packages you want to download/install.. OR just get their Point2Play program.
[06:02] <chiquito> aqui se habla espaol??
[06:02] <Mayhem> demantik, ut2004
[06:02] <jetscreamer> !es
[06:02] <ubotu> jetscreamer: Are you smoking crack?
[06:02] <hondje> chiquito: #ubuntu-es
[06:02] <dr_willis> demantik,  not really. :P
[06:02] <demantik> ah yes..apart from that also haha
[06:02] <penguinboy> un picito
[06:02] <chiquito> ok
[06:02] <Howitzer> is it cp -path of file that needs to be copied- -path whereto it needs to be copied-?
[06:02] <demantik> ut2004 is great, but its been played too much ;)
[06:02] <jetscreamer> ubotu: get a db
[06:02] <ubotu> jetscreamer: No idea
[06:02] <Mayhem> demantik, all the quakes, nexuiz, rtcw
[06:02] <demantik> bring on ut2006...and a new pc :(
[06:02] <reka> Trixsey: nope, afraid not.  seeing as i don't now what dc++ is. :-/
[06:02] <SigNagE> can anyone help me...just installed ubuntu (im totally new to linux) and found the appropriate drivers for my w/network card, but i have no idea how to install them
[06:03] <jetscreamer> ubotu: get a db is <reply> install a database
[06:03] <dr_willis> demantik,  dont forget Quake 1 2 and 3
[06:03] <ubotu> okay, jetscreamer
[06:03] <demantik> nexuiz? rtcw?
[06:03] <dr_willis> demantik,  and theres Dozens of mods out for them.
[06:03] <demantik> hmm ill pass on the  quake series.
[06:03] <Howitzer> reka, dc++ is a filesharing via IRC
[06:03] <dr_willis> demantik,  and RTCW:ET
[06:03] <reka> Trixsey: lazy answer: search sourceforge.net and then check if the program is in the ubuntu repos.
[06:03] <Trixsey> Howitzer, no its not
[06:03] <Howitzer> ehh
[06:03] <Mayhem> demantik, www.nexuiz.com = free quake-like game, rtwc = return to castle wolfenstein
[06:03] <Howitzer> i thought it was? Oo
[06:03] <demantik> Oh..yeah i have enemy territory..thats good.
[06:03] <mz2> SigNagE, what card is it?
[06:03] <Trixsey> Its a p2p client with a chat similiar to IRC
[06:04] <Trixsey> Thats what it says in a description on some page
[06:04] <Howitzer> Oo
[06:04] <Mayhem> enemy territory was to be an expansion for rtcw
[06:04] <britt_radiofree> anyone here using flickr?
[06:04] <Trixsey> Though its not IRC, thats something else :P
[06:04] <dr_willis> demantik,  ET is hard to beat. Price and Game play wise. :P
[06:04] <Mayhem> demantik, rtcw is a commercial game with a good single player
[06:04] <demantik> yeah i know what it is ;) just didnt know what u ment by rtcw haha
[06:05] <Mayhem> RedOrchestra mod for ut2004 i good
[06:05] <demantik> anybody played that battle for newerth game? looks...a bit um..different.
[06:05] <Mayhem> *is
[06:05] <demantik> yeah that redorchestra mod looks sweet
[06:05] <Howitzer> is it cp -path of file that needs to be copied- -path whereto it needs to be copied-?
[06:05] <demantik> might check that out.
[06:05] <Mayhem> demantik, True Combat: Elite is a good mod for enemy-territory :)
[06:05] <Mayhem> free mod on a free game :)
[06:05] <penguinboy> okay...I am still trying to ./configure tellico and am working through most of the dependency issues...but this one stums me....any ideas on what to do now.......checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.1 (20021021)) (library qt-mt) not found. Please check your installation!
[06:05] <demantik> ok cool...*opens gedit, blames memory for sucking*
[06:05] <Howitzer> :(
[06:05] <Howitzer> is it cp -path of file that needs to be copied- -path whereto it needs to be copied-?
[06:06] <Mayhem> sobersabre, has anyone installed ubuntu from DVD?
[06:06] <SigNagE> mz2, pm.
[06:06] <Mayhem> sry sobersabre, tab completion got me
[06:06] <mcleodz> hi all
[06:06] <penguinboy> I installed libqt3-dev...libqt3-headers....and libqt3-compat-headers
[06:06] <reka> Howitzer: yes.  cp <source> <dest>
[06:06] <Howitzer> okay
[06:06] <Howitzer> ty
[06:06] <reka> Howitzer: man cp, or cp --help
[06:06] <Howitzer> oh god
[06:06] <mcleodz> got a problem to install hoary on my computer
[06:06] <Howitzer> orgot about that one :/
[06:07] <mcleodz> when i press enter to start the install
[06:07] <demantik> Mayhem, damn that looks pretty good (tc:e)
[06:07] <mcleodz> it block on this message
[06:07] <mcleodz> booting kernel
[06:08] <mcleodz> and thats it
[06:08] <mcleodz> :(
[06:08] <sweeze> have shipit.ubuntu.com hoary cds shipped yet?
[06:08] <mcleodz> me?
[06:08] <britt_radiofree> nobody here using flickr?
[06:08] <reka> penguinboy: isn't it in the repos?
[06:08] <Gus> hello
[06:08] <SigNagE> mz2
[06:08] <mcleodz> i try with hoary and warty
[06:08] <reka> penguinboy: why are you compiling from source?
[06:08] <demantik> sweeze - i ordered some a month ago, havent got them...ah well..i dont need them hah.
[06:08] <mcleodz> someone can help me?
[06:09] <Gus> anyone to help me configure my ubuntu as a gateway for a LAN please ? =)
[06:09] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> mcleodz: is your media sound? (did you d/l and burn it or get it in the mail?)
[06:09] <Mayhem> Gus, use firestarter, it leads you through
[06:09] <mcleodz> yep i dl it and burn it
[06:09] <Gus> i have found some tutorials but seeing how the commands they tell me to type are not recognised in Ubuntu, i have doubts =)
[06:09] <Gus> Mayhem, does it ?
[06:09] <Gus> that's great then =)
[06:09] <SigNagE> can anyone help me...just installed ubuntu (im totally new to linux) and found the appropriate drivers for my w/network card, but i have no idea how to install them
[06:09] <ivoks> khm... pelin spamer
[06:09] <Mayhem> Gus, if my memory isn't totally wrong :)
[06:10] <Gus> Mayhem, if it is, i will come back from the dead to haunt you ;)
[06:10] <Mayhem> Gus, :P
[06:10] <ivoks> bob2: we have spamer - pelin
[06:10] <penguinboy> reka: i downloaded the rpm but it would not work...so I thought I would use the tarball
[06:10] <mcleodz> so the message is: OK, booting kernel
[06:10] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> gus hang on a minute
[06:10] <Mayhem> SigNagE, point me where you got the drivers
[06:10] <ivoks> :)
[06:10] <mcleodz> and thats it
[06:11] <Dethread> penguinboy, you can convert rpms to debs using alien
[06:11] <reka> penguinboy: it's in the ubuntu repositories.  have you enabled multiverse and universe?
[06:11] <ivoks> bob2: he/she left
[06:11] <penguinboy> how do I enable reka???
[06:11] <reka> penguinboy: you're just making things harder for yourself
[06:11] <reka> !repositories
[06:11] <ubotu> reka: I haven't a clue
[06:11] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> mcleodz: is your media sound? (did you d/l and burn it or get it in the mail?)
[06:11] <mcleodz> my media sound?
[06:11] <reka> penguinboy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:11] <reka> do that first
[06:11] <Gus> nalioth_zZzZzZzZ, yes ?
[06:11] <mcleodz> its when i want to install ubuntu
[06:12] <mcleodz> at the begining
[06:12] <reka> then sudo apt-get install tellico
[06:12] <Mayhem> SigNagE, also, what type of card?
[06:12] <Dethread> mcleodz, is your CD corrupt
[06:12] <SigNagE> Mayhem: i got thyis "acx100-0.2.0pre8_plus_fixes_57" from there http://lisas.de/~andi/acx100/
[06:12] <Dethread> mcleodz, that's what he means
[06:12] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> gus here you go http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/05/09/1846213&tid=78&tid=130
[06:12] <hondje> any java programmers?
[06:12] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> Gus: you can read about those, and make a decision
[06:12] <Gus> nalioth_zZzZzZzZ, thanks a lot, i'll check it out =)
[06:12] <Dethread> hondje, yeah
[06:12] <SigNagE> d-link-520+  dwl
[06:12] <SigNagE> acx100
[06:13] <hondje> Dethread: Can you look at the errors an app is throwing when it starts, perhaps suggest a fix?
[06:13] <Mayhem> SigNagE, evil card, I used to have one :)
[06:13] <reka> penguinboy: you can use synaptic to install program if you want. (sys->admin->synaptic)  only try and install with RPM, deb or from source if you can't find it in the repositories!
[06:13] <Dethread> hondje, I can try
[06:13] <SigNagE> Mayhem: i agree.
[06:13] <Gus> nalioth_zZzZzZzZ, i'll see how firestarter behaves and if i'm not satisfied i'll give these a go ;)
 any java programmers? <-- hondje, please don't swear in here ;)
[06:14] <demantik> Playstation3, to run Linux!...read @ gamespot.
[06:14] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> hondje: install from RPM? yeech!
[06:15] <hondje> Dethread: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13625353?r=698
[06:15] <hondje> nalioth: eh? What did I say about rpm?
[06:15] <nalioth> reka: install from RPM? yech!
[06:15] <nalioth> hondje: sorry, was still asleep
[06:15] <hondje> nalioth: obviously nightmares ;-)
[06:15] <nalioth> hondje: but still, try no to install from rpm
[06:16] <nalioth> hondje: well wakin up to you all, is kinda frightening
[06:16] <hondje> yeah, I can see that
[06:16] <reka> nalioth: i agree.
[06:16] <penguinboy> i have kubuntu....not ubuntu...and so no synaptic....Kynaptis looks different
[06:17] <bob2> try #kubuntu
[06:17] <Gus> i've tried kubuntu and found it bleh ^^
[06:17] <nalioth> penguinboy: you can apt-get install synaptic (if it's not there already)
[06:17] <penguinboy> great!
[06:17] <Gus> i went back to gnome
[06:17] <nalioth> penguinboy: kynaptic kinda blows, imho
[06:17] <Dethread> hondje, which jdk?
[06:17] <yoor> hey dudes
[06:17] <jind_> Whats the name of the pam development package?
[06:17] <reka> penguinboy: the main point is not to install from deb or source unless you know what you're doing and there is no other option.
[06:18] <yoor> I've got a c++ question, I need to write in a file some data, do you know the names of the librairies i have to include ?
[06:18] <yoor> I included fstream..stdlib
[06:18] <penguinboy> thanks reka...you are great
[06:18] <hondje> Dethread: How do I find that out?
[06:18] <xabbu|> Is there any _good_ Direct Connect clients for ubuntu?
[06:18] <nalioth> mcleodz: did you d/l your ubuntu and burn it, or get it in the mail?
[06:18] <jind_> xabbu|, valknut is the best
[06:18] <Dethread> hondje, in a console, type: java -version
[06:18] <nalioth> xabbu|: to my knowledge there is ONE. dcgui
[06:18] <xabbu|> jind_, thanks
[06:19] <hondje> Dethread: hehe, I was doing --version.  java version "1.5.0_03"
[06:19] <jind_> dcgui is depreciated. Valknut is dcgui in a updated version
[06:19] <nalioth> jind_: thank you
[06:19] <hondje> Dethread: build 1.5.0_03-b07
[06:19] <jind_> :-)
[06:19] <Scotched> hello
[06:20] <nalioth> howdy, Scotched
[06:20] <Dethread> hondje, hmm...seems like the latest version. updating to the latest one would have been my only guess on how to fix it. but if the app runs fine otherwise....
[06:20] <xabbu|> jind_, Is it as a deb pakage?
[06:20] <Scotched> i was wondering if anyone can help me
[06:21] <nalioth> Scotched: without you asking a question, no
[06:21] <Ng> Scotched: ask away and find out :)
[06:21] <hondje> Dethread: yeah, and usually I run it in a terminal and call scripts, so no java needed.  Should I file a bug w/ sun?
[06:21] <demantik> # Any Australians Here? #
[06:21] <Dethread> hondje, try to find out if something similar has been posted already
[06:21] <Mayhem> demantik, yes
[06:21] <Scotched> ah sorry, wasnt sure if you wanted to do it here or elsewhere, didnt want to crowd things
[06:21] <demantik> ahh cool
[06:21] <demantik> where abouts
[06:21] <Mayhem> Victoria
[06:21] <nalioth> Scotched: here is where everyone learns
[06:21] <jind_> xabbu|, I don't know. I do not use direct connect
[06:22] <demantik> alright
[06:22] <hondje> Dethread: I found a few with that first line, about XIM, but googling a chunk of them doesn't give me anything. Most of the XIM ones deal with chinese big5 fonts
[06:22] <demantik> Do you know any good Online Stores for pc hardware?
[06:22] <Scotched> but anyway I just installed Kubuntu 5.04 but I've had this problem with debian as well, Im using a DE-220P dlink ethernet card, which is supposedly supported but neither OS can ever find it
[06:22] <demantik> im in nsw btw..central coast.
[06:22] <nalioth> mcleodz: please let us know something
[06:23] <mcleodz> i think the model of my laptop is not support by ubuntu
[06:23] <mcleodz> :(
[06:23] <dr_willis> mcleodz,  proberly more of a 'too many new features not in the kernel yet' kind of issue.
[06:23] <Mayhem> demantik, ht.com.au are good, but they are a bit 'business' oriented
[06:24] <mcleodz> acer extensa aren't in the list o compatibility
[06:24] <mcleodz> :)
[06:24] <reka> demantik: if you want to buy retail: http://www.staticice.com.au/
[06:24] <Cine> hey all, just a quick question... how do I use the GUI to delete files as root?
[06:24] <nalioth> mcleodz: just because it isnt on the list, doesnt mean it should work
[06:24] <nalioth> Cine: start a file manager using "gksudo"
[06:24] <demantik> ah ok cool
[06:24] <Cine> ah, thanks
[06:25] <demantik> is it just the places ive been looking, or do america have much cheaper prices? (www.newegg.com for example is very cheap)
[06:25] <nalioth> Cine: and remember you are holding a 'live wire' while using the fm
[06:25] <hondje> Anyone read chinese? Found a page with the same problem, but can't read the important stuff
[06:25] <Cine> hmm... missing commands
[06:25] <nalioth> Cine: "gksudo nautilus" "gksudo konqueror"
[06:25] <Cine> oh... duh... :)
[06:25] <Razor-X> wohooo!!!!! GTK-QT fixed itself!!!!!
[06:25] <Razor-X> XD
[06:26] <Razor-X> dunno why, it just did
[06:26] <dockane> is there any chance to recover a partition that is listed by qtparted as "type: free / hidden" ?
[06:26] <lotusleaf> I'm tempted to start a fan based religious movement called The Church of Ubuntu. The Ubuntu CDs would be considered holy and mandatory for worship.
[06:26] <Ng> Scotched: looks like quite an old card?
[06:26] <nalioth> lotusleaf: you go!
[06:26] <nalioth> heh
[06:27] <nalioth> dockane: is there stuff on it?
[06:27] <Razor-X> lotusleaf; would that be compatible with the Tao beliefs? ;)
[06:27] <Scotched> its fairly old, bought it from a friend, but it does say its supported
[06:27] <Dethread> lotusleaf, I can just imagine its followers rushing the Microsoft campus, yelling "Infidels!!!"
[06:27] <dockane> nalioth, yes its a ext 2
[06:27] <Razor-X> Dethread: nice nice thought ;)
[06:27] <lotusleaf> Dethread, it would be a peaceful religion
[06:28] <Ng> Scotched: googling for "linux de 220p" I can mostly see posts from 99/2000 and some suggestion that you might need to use windows to get the irq/io details it wants. I'm not sure though, sorry :/
[06:28] <lotusleaf> Razor-X, it wouldn't seek to mesh with other religions
[06:28] <Scotched> also when i run detect network hardware (in expert mode installer right now)  it says that some modules needed for my hardware are not available right now
[06:28] <Razor-X> lotusleaf: speak for yourself!
[06:28] <Razor-X> lotusleaf: eh?
[06:28] <nalioth> dockane: have you tried to mount it?
[06:28] <Razor-X> peaceful shmeashful
[06:28] <lotusleaf> Razor-X, why, are you going to fork my idea and create the cult of ubuntu?  XD
[06:28] <Razor-X> lotusleaf: quite possibly
[06:28] <reka> demantik: yeah, i've noticed a difference between AU and US prices as well.  you have to remember they probably don't update the sites often enough.  i reckon a better way of getting a price comparison is to get one of those computer trader newspapers or the IT section of your paper, like the age's green guide.
[06:29] <Razor-X> Azureus is being slow... noooo!!! -_-
[06:29] <TFK> Howdy. I just installed Ubuntu hoary and trying to play some files, but it complains that it has no plugins on them - mp3 files, avi files. What exactly do I need?
[06:30] <Scotched> yes i've read the google posts, they suggest using NE2000 which i found something similar in debian when it suggested to choose a driver, but while it let me get past that step, the network was undetectable
[06:30] <Razor-X> take on the same speed you do when downloading anime in huge huge torrents! Aller, mon azureus!
[06:30] <lotusleaf> I propose #ubuntu-worship for the unofficial church of ubuntu
[06:30] <demantik> reka - hmm...alright then...that static ice, is returning some promising results though..better than ive seen anyway
[06:30] <nalioth> TFK: ubuntulinix.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:30] <Razor-X> TFK: I suggets you download VLC
[06:30] <bob2> TFK: this is in the faq...
[06:30] <Razor-X> VLC can play any format without plugins, or configuring, or anything like that
[06:30] <dr_willis>  #ubuntu-sinners for people that  are useing the testing versions ?
[06:30] <dr_willis> :)
[06:30] <Razor-X> except, the VLC in the repos is not too good with WMVs
[06:30] <dockane> nalioth, yes.
[06:30] <lotusleaf> lol
[06:31] <nalioth> TFK: and mind my spelling (i hand type everything thats sent)
[06:31] <nalioth> dockane: and the result was?
[06:31] <nalioth> brb
[06:31] <TFK> nalioth, sankyu
[06:31] <demantik> Razor-X - when i went to install VLC, it complained i didnt have a whole load of libs
[06:31] <user_> hello
[06:31] <Razor-X> nalioth: does the scope of the wiki allow command line clients?
[06:31] <demantik> so i downloaded MPlayer and everything works sweet hah...h264 and all
[06:31] <Razor-X> demantik: did you use apt-get?
[06:32] <demantik> Razor-X - Nope lol...:( maybe i shall..
[06:32] <Razor-X> you mean, H.264 Huffy, or H.264 with other formats...?
[06:32] <Razor-X> demantik: ........................
[06:32] <TFK> But, it seems that the official repositories  don't have mplayer :-/
[06:32] <hondje> Dethread: heh, turns out they've had this problem for a while, but only on solaris.  Go figure :)
[06:32] <reka> demantik: i bought my VG card through that.  comparing it to a newspaper, it was quite current ... but you still see price differences for the exact same product ... just get the lowest one. :-)
[06:32] <Razor-X> just about everything in Debian is downloaded using apt-get
[06:32] <demantik> Razor-X well...i can play Quicktime .mov h264 files
[06:32] <Razor-X> because of libraries
[06:32] <demantik> Razor-X - if that means anything...
[06:32] <Razor-X> oh, psshhh ;)
[06:33] <dockane> nalioth, the complete story : the harddisk is a 160 gb hdc and also contains a ntfs partition (approx. 136 gb). this ntfs was unluckily formated under win2k which destroyed the partition table. fdisk -l reported something like "out of boundary" for each partition on hdc
[06:33] <Razor-X> real encoder H.264 is HuffV!!
[06:33] <Razor-X> mmm, I love that lossless format, awesome for live footage
[06:33] <demantik> Reka - ok cool..thanks for the info...
[06:33] <demantik> lossless?
[06:33] <Razor-X> ahh, there we go, 44 k/s, ok for a small torrent anyways
[06:33] <Razor-X> demantik: yeah, HuffV is totally lossless
[06:34] <demantik> Razor-X - in the way FLAC is with audio? or just not noticable
[06:34] <Razor-X> I love lossless formats, even with my crappy HDD capacity
[06:34] <Razor-X> demantik: in the way FLAC is with audio ;)
[06:34] <dockane> nalioth, i ran gpart and the scan gave a reasonable result. thats why i decided to write that parition table but the ext2 parition (which is the only importan to recover) which is no accesible only has got 1 directory (lost+found)-.
[06:34] <Razor-X> although, with video, it's a tad bit harder
[06:34] <demantik> Razor-X - nice....ill be checking that..thanks
[06:34] <Razor-X> but, I don't use VLC anymore for music, cplay is good
[06:35] <Razor-X> *awesome
[06:35] <lotusleaf> Ubuntu has Kino for download but not Avidemux and Kmenc?
[06:35] <hondje> lotusleaf: do they have more features?
[06:35] <Razor-X> lotusleaf: alas, I do most of my encoding in.... Windows
[06:35] <bob2> lotusleaf: they sound very patent-euncumbered
[06:35] <lotusleaf> bob2, are they?
[06:35] <bob2> lotusleaf: assuming "kmenc" is some sort of silly gui wrapper for mencoder
[06:36] <lotusleaf> bob2, kmenc is on sourceforge, dunno about avidemux
[06:36] <lotusleaf> I've been looking for something like Virtualdub but for Linux
[06:36] <hondje> http://avidemux.sourceforge.net/
[06:36] <Razor-X> I think AVISynth should be ported to Linux
[06:36] <dockane> nalioth, i think the geometry  was not recognized correctly. sill there is hope: qtparted shows a partition of the size which fits to the ext2 partition but type is 'free' / hidden. any ideas ?
[06:36] <Razor-X> it's incredible for heavy-duty encoding, awesome awesome
[06:37] <Ng> the marillat debian repository has avidemux packages, so you could try one of those, or rebuild your own from their source if that doesn't work
[06:37] <lotusleaf> hondje, ah yes so avidemux is on sf
[06:37] <Ng> I appear to have their amd64 one installed ;)
[06:38] <hondje> Ng: Does it have more features than kino, or some benefit?
[06:38] <Klaus> hi im trying to compile a new kernel on my server(2.6.11) using make-kpkg kernel-image budt when i boote up i get this error
[06:38] <Klaus> kernel panic  - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unkonwn-block(0,0)
[06:38] <bob2> best to not compile your own kernel
[06:38] <bob2> especially on a server
[06:38] <Ng> hondje: I think kino is a nicer editor, but it's quite limited to working with DV
[06:39] <hondje> Ng: ah, so in my case I'd be better off with Kino, since that's all I do with it :)
[06:39] <Klaus> bob2 i have some funny moduls and have relly hard get them working whit the ubuntu kernel-source
[06:39] <demantik> Razor-X - just out of curiosity, what are your system specs?
[06:39] <bob2> Klaus: well, I doubt it, but ok
[06:39] <bob2> Klaus: 2.6.11 is screwed in hoary
[06:40] <magog> i think my synaptic is bugged...wasent xfce in there before??
[06:40] <Razor-X> demantik: pretty bad
[06:40] <Razor-X> 256 MB RAM, 40 GB HDD, P4
[06:40] <bob2> Klaus: use linux-source-2.6.10 if you really think you need to compile a kernel
[06:40] <magog> ew
[06:40] <Razor-X> yeah, I know
[06:40] <Razor-X> encoding takes hours for me
[06:40] <Aron_Figaro> I've got a weird problem here. OpenOffice won't detect my printer now that I've upgraded to Hoary and reinstalled it.
[06:40] <bob2> man, I don't get why pepole ship p4's with 256MB of ram
[06:41] <magog> bob2, me neither
[06:41] <Aron_Figaro> the exact same method worked fine under Warty - what's wrong?
[06:41] <Razor-X> bob2: this is a pretty old machine
[06:41] <demantik> Razor-X - P4 what?....mines probably worse haha...
[06:41] <keknehv> How do you enable the root X session?
[06:41] <PhantomFreak> Has anyone manage to get CPUfreq to work before?
[06:41] <bob2> keknehv: why would you want to do that?
[06:41] <bob2> PhantomFreak: it works out of the box
[06:41] <Razor-X> P4 1.6 ghz, my bad ;)
[06:41] <keknehv> bob2: For installations that require GTK.
[06:42] <bob2> keknehv: then use sudo
[06:42] <Razor-X> magog: same here
[06:42] <nalioth> Razor-X: CLI clients for what?
[06:42] <Aron_Figaro> So does anyone have an idea why my printer isn't being detected?
[06:42] <keknehv> bob2: Regardless, I want root
[06:42] <nalioth> Razor-X: i think the wiki should cover all options
[06:42] <Razor-X> I was mulling over a Ebuntu distro ;)
[06:42] <Aron_Figaro> It's installed, but OpenOffice can't see it.
[06:42] <demantik> Razor-X - AthlonXP 1700, 384mb @ 266...80GB HDD..Radeon 9600SE........we need upgrades..hah
[06:42] <Razor-X> nalioth: hmmm, then I think we should add more CLI based stuff
[06:42] <nalioth> dockane: all you could see when you mounted it was lost+found?
[06:42] <hondje> It creeps me out when people want to set up a root account, but don't know how....
[06:42] <reka> Aron_Figaro: so you can print with other apps?
[06:42] <Razor-X> that way, beginners will get a taste for everything, and not just beginners use the wiki either
[06:42] <Razor-X> errr, not the wiki, rather, the guide
[06:42] <nalioth> Razor-X: i agree  world.domination.2005.deb
[06:42] <keknehv> hondje: Thanks a lot
[06:43] <hondje> If they can't do that, why do they need root in the first place
[06:43] <Razor-X> nalioth: ;)
[06:43] <keknehv> I need the GTK root...
[06:43] <PhantomFreak> bob2: Then why doesn't it work on my Thinkpad...
[06:43] <bob2> keknehv: so
[06:43] <bob2> keknehv: use sudo
[06:43] <bob2> PhantomFreak: works perfectly on mine
[06:43] <Aron_Figaro> reka: yep
[06:43] <hondje> gksudo
[06:43] <Razor-X> hmmm, I wonder how much a Linux copy of the original UT costs
[06:43] <bob2> PhantomFreak: what sort of thinkpad?
[06:43] <keknehv> bob2: Never mind.  Only things I haven't is CPU speed scalling, the suspend to ram button and getting the Thinkpad button to do anything!
[06:44] <magog> postal 2 also released a native version, www.gopostal.com
[06:45] <bob2> remember, ubuntu's average user clue is going to go down, not up
[06:45] <smoky_> hello
[06:45] <reka> Aron_Figaro: what did you mean by "reinstalled"? the printer, openoffice?
[06:45] <Mayhem> bob2, <troll>all the more reason to stick with debian</troll> ;)
[06:45] <hondje> hehe
[06:45] <magog> its awesome its a full boxed linux version with a windows installer included....not the other way around
[06:45] <Aron_Figaro> reka: the printer - I did a clean format and upgrade to Hoary then reinstalled the printer.
[06:45] <smoky_> does anyone know how to investigate problems with the brightness-keys of my laptop?
[06:45] <sol77> Quick question. Are our aliases registered at freenode when we sign up with the ubuntu forum?
[06:46] <demantik> Razor-X - how do i go about executing Telstra.shit-internet.aus.expensive.deb :(
[06:46] <smoky_> acer travelmate 800
[06:46] <hondje> sol77: no
[06:46] <Aron_Figaro> reka: and for SOME reason...it doesn't work in OO.
[06:46] <nalioth> sol77: not to my knowledge
[06:46] <bob2> PhantomFreak: weird, works for every other thinkpad user I've met
[06:46] <bob2> PhantomFreak: file a bug , I guess
[06:46] <smoky_> there where no problems with the live-cd, but now the do not react correctly
[06:46] <sol77> hondje & nalioth - then I wonder why my alias is registered with the password I use at the forum..
[06:46] <demantik> j/k
[06:46] <demantik> damn aussie internet
[06:46] <hondje> sol77: ...that's kinda odd
[06:47] <nalioth> sol77: that is weird. is it YOUR alias + password?
[06:47] <sol77> hondje - indeed.
[06:47] <Mayhem> Razor-X, http://www.liflg.org/?catid=6&gameid=51 <-- native unreal tournament installer
[06:47] <sol77> nalioth - jupp.
[06:47] <PhantomFreak> when I run powernowd, it just comes up with a load of 'file not found's...
[06:47] <demantik> IM GOIN...CYAZ!
[06:47] <bob2> PhantomFreak: you're using the normal kernel, right?
[06:48] <nalioth> sol77: very weird, must be the day to play lottery
[06:48] <magog> has anyone got multi-disc installs to work? i cant seem to install my ut2k4 cd's
[06:48] <PhantomFreak> Course!
[06:48] <smoky_> has anyone an idea how to solve problems with the brightness-keys of my laptop? please...
[06:48] <sol77> nalioth - I'll go buy some right away. :)
[06:49] <PhantomFreak> Well, Ubuntu has updated the kernel already through the auto-update but I thought that wouldn't make a difference!
[06:49] <nalioth> smoky_: if anyone knows the answer, they will speak up
[06:49] <reka> Aron_Figaro: hmmm, not sure.  is this oo2?
[06:49] <Aron_Figaro> reka: oo1
[06:50] <Aron_Figaro> reka: 1.13 to be exact.
[06:50] <smoky_> hondje: the keys that control the brightness of my lcd-screen
[06:50] <TokenBad> how move a dir and all sub dirs and files from one location to another in ubuntu
[06:50] <bob2> PhantomFreak: file a bug, I guess, it should work out of the box
[06:50] <hondje> smoky_: oh, that'd be funky to set up
[06:50] <smoky_> hondje: no that are hardeware-keys that should work
[06:50] <hondje> oh
[06:50] <smoky_> and they do in windows, the live-cd aand any other distro
[06:51] <hondje> I wouldn't have a clue, really
[06:51] <smoky_> but not in hoary
[06:51] <goldfish> TokenBad: open a terminal, mv blah/ destination/
[06:51] <nalioth> TokenBad: open a terminal and type "man cp" and "man mv" but be careful with "mv". improperly used, it is called "remove" OR you could use nautilus or konqueror
[06:51] <magog> if its an LCD there should be brightness buttons on the moniter
[06:51] <reka> Aron_Figaro: well, if you've googled already, id try to reinstall oo via synaptic ... other than that, i don't know.
[06:51] <smoky_> magog: laptop (acer travelmate)
[06:51] <magog> oo
[06:51] <magog> hmmmm
[06:52] <Ng> http://www.linux-laptop.net/ often has information about making unusual laptop hardware (like lcd buttons) work
[06:52] <smoky_> ng: thx i know. but that is a very special problem
[06:52] <Ng> smoky_: fair enough. which model of travelmate is it?
[06:52] <decaf> fonts in gtk1.x apps are too big and ugly. can I get some better look ?
[06:52] <smoky_> ng: 800
[06:53] <PhantomFreak> cpufreq-selector seems to fuction, but has no manual entry!
[06:53] <smoky_> ng: sorry have to leave for 10min
[06:53] <smoky_> cu
[06:53] <Ng> k
[06:53] <PhantomFreak> Is there a way of detecting what speed the cpu is currently running at?
[06:53] <reka> decaf: use gtk2 apps?
[06:53] <stjepan> hi
[06:53] <hondje> PhantomFreak: does cat /proc/cpuinfo work?
[06:53] <hondje> or does that just show max or something
[06:54] <stjepan> where should I install LILO?
[06:54] <decaf> reka: do you know a gtk2 replacement for amule and dvdrip ?
[06:54] <Mayhem> on the floor, under your pillow
[06:54] <PhantomFreak> does now!
[06:54] <Razor-X> back!
[06:55] <Razor-X> Azureus stole about 100% of my CPU for 10 minutes, then crashed ;)
[06:55] <stjepan> ?
[06:55] <Razor-X> would killed it anyways, though
[06:55] <PhantomFreak> only line 5 works "Pentium III (Coppermine)
[06:55] <PhantomFreak> "
[06:55] <stjepan> should I install LILO to MBR or not?
[06:55] <hondje> PhantomFreak: no cpu MHz    line?
[06:55] <Razor-X> stjepan : you double-booting?
[06:55] <sol77> Could anyone tell me if it's safe to write to a mounted ntfs-partition now-a-days, or is that still unsafe?
[06:55] <Mayhem> stjepan, what's wrong with GRUB?
[06:55] <PhantomFreak> command not found!
[06:55] <Scotched> stjepan if youre not double booting use LILO
[06:55] <Razor-X> yeah, what's wrong with GRUB
[06:55] <Razor-X> Scotched: why?
[06:56] <magog> i dual boot and use grub fine
[06:56] <TFK> Can anyone suggest a camcorder proggie, and maybe you know anything that supports Nikon 4600? (Yes, I googled.)
[06:56] <stjepan> I want to use winXP and Ubuntu
[06:56] <Razor-X> stjepan: then, use GRUB
[06:56] <stjepan> Ubuntu will install GRUB?
[06:56] <reka> decaf: no, i don't use them, but i'm sure someone else would be able to come up with a few.  i tried to fix xmms' fonts (it uses gtk1)  i gave up and now use beep (gtk2).
[06:56] <kengur> i can't connect via ADSL no matter what
[06:56] <Scotched> I've never had a problem with LILO but when i tried grub it would boot this psuedo linux and there was no getting to a real shell, installed LILO, no problems
[06:56] <Razor-X> stejepan: yeah
[06:56] <stjepan> but why GRUB and not LILO?
[06:57] <Razor-X> stjepan: it's better with double-booting Windows
[06:57] <PhantomFreak> Oh! It's a file not an executable script!
[06:57] <stjepan> Razor-X: why?
[06:57] <stjepan> what is better with it?
[06:57] <Scotched> but I dont dual boot, so
[06:57] <kengur> can someone help with ADSL?
[06:57] <Mayhem> stjepan, it doesn't leave you it a bad mess if you misconfigure it
[06:57] <magog> i have a dual boot with windows ONLY so i can play san andreas
[06:58] <magog> it wont emulate......YET
[06:58] <stjepan> Mayhem: ok, tnx
[06:58] <PhantomFreak> The file reads... 896Mhz... Trying to get it to run at 700 for the battery conservation!
[06:58] <decaf> kengur: what's wrong?
[06:58] <stjepan> kengur: what is your problem?
[06:58] <Razor-X> stjepan: GRUB tends to have better features too
[06:58] <goldfish> magog: never will :)
[06:58] <kengur> i can't connect
[06:58] <hondje> PhantomFreak: No clue if that's accurate, just curious if it matched what you expected
[06:58] <Razor-X> and, GRUB has a very nice shell, in fact
[06:58] <magog> goldfish, sure it will
[06:58] <stjepan> I have configured ADSL on Ubuntu
[06:58] <Scotched> anyway back to, can anyone help me with a DE-220P ethernet card?
[06:58] <Razor-X> Scotched: what's the prublem?
[06:58] <Razor-X> kengur: why?
[06:58] <stjepan> kengur: Just ask
[06:58] <stjepan> ;)
[06:58] <Razor-X> *problem
[06:59] <decaf> kengur: what's your modem?
[06:59] <PhantomFreak> nope! What should I need extension wise! Desired speed in KHz is obvious!
[06:59] <kengur> stjepan, i have dsl300t (eithernet)
[06:59] <stjepan> kengur: do you use ethernet?
[06:59] <stjepan> I have ethernet and wlan
[06:59] <stjepan> it is ok
[06:59] <Razor-X> kengur: do you need a username/password?
[06:59] <kengur> yes
[06:59] <Scotched> while the de-220P is supposedly supported, it cannot detect it/ load a module for it to use
[06:59] <Razor-X> kengur: ok, then you want to use pppoe
[07:00] <TokenBad> ok how use nautilus again?
[07:00] <stjepan> I just connected ethernet cable to ethernet and router (LAN1)
[07:00] <stjepan> it works ok
[07:00] <Razor-X> stjepan: ttha's a different case
[07:00] <kengur> Razor-X, i tried it once, but then i couldn't make it default route, and now it's not working at all
[07:00] <booly> no much relation to ubuntu: do you know of an application for editing a dvd ? like adding subtitles menu and stuff (that will work on linux) ?
[07:00] <Razor-X> that's because you have a non-PPPoe connection forwarded through a router with a DHCP server
[07:00] <Scotched> online i've seen suggestions to try the ne2000 driver, but this seems not to work
[07:01] <stjepan> kengur: have you connected cable?
[07:01] <PhantomFreak> I'm gonna try shutting down & booting from battery!
[07:01] <Razor-X> uggghhh, Azureus needs a disk-ccahe
[07:01] <kengur> stjepan, i'm using pppoe in my modem atm, so yes *dummy mode off* *linux newbie mode on*
[07:01] <reka> TokenBad: places->home folder
[07:01] <benjamin123> im not sure of the mount point of my dvd drive, how can i check this out?
[07:02] <Razor-X> benjamin123: is it already mounted?
[07:02] <stjepan> kengur: go to network configuration
[07:02] <stjepan> kengur: and set eth0 to active
[07:02] <stjepan> kengur: in properties, set to DHCP
[07:02] <stjepan> and that's all
[07:02] <Razor-X> stjepan: that's enableedd  byfault
[07:02] <stjepan> yes
[07:02] <kengur> stjepan, it was always on
[07:02] <Razor-X> *by default
[07:02] <Razor-X> it doesen't matter
[07:03] <stjepan> so run FireFox
[07:03] <Razor-X> he needs to dial in pppoe
[07:03] <benjamin123> if i stick a dvd in, it shows up on the desktop.. but i dont know what to tell the dvd player to find the the movie
[07:03] <stjepan> and type IP, <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:03] <stjepan> it should work
[07:03] <Razor-X> *my
[07:03] <Razor-X> *myerrr, heh
[07:03] <Scotched> furthermore, is there anyway to test my card from within the installer to save time between reboots
[07:03] <stjepan> I am leaving you to get icecream ;)
[07:03] <Razor-X> ...., ok,  thisis being stupid....
[07:03] <kengur> Razor-X, how do i dial (and make it redial when disconnected auto)?
[07:04] <synd> someone needs to kickban bahar
[07:04] <hondje> benjamin123: do you have xine set up in system -> preferences -> removable drives and media?
[07:04] <Razor-X> why does Azureus take up so much CPU?
[07:04] <nalioth> Razor-X: welcome to java land
[07:04] <plex> Hello, does anyone know how to make a static entry in resolv.conf? The DNS keeps resetting after every reboot.
[07:04] <synd> Razor-X: it shouldnt. hoe much RAM do you have
[07:04] <synd> how
[07:04] <hondje> benjamin123: if not, go there, click the 'multimedia' tab, and in the box next to video DVD disks put in 'xine --auto-play --auto-scan dvd'
[07:04] <benjamin123> i have vlc setup
[07:04] <benjamin123> ok
[07:04] <nalioth> synd you ready for this?!?
[07:04] <benjamin123> illtry that
[07:05] <synd> nalioth: ??
[07:05] <TokenBad> ok here is a question
[07:05] <TokenBad> I want to run a game from windows drive
[07:05] <kengur> Razor-X, the problem is I can't be here and fiddle around with bridge mode =)
[07:05] <TokenBad> and have cedega installed now
[07:05] <hondje> benjamin123: I don't know how to set vlc to automatically launch
[07:05] <TokenBad> but I can't get into the Program Files dir
[07:05] <sol77> Could anyone tell me if it's safe to write to a mounted ntfs-partition now-a-days, or is that still unsafe?
[07:05] <hondje> sol77: bad
[07:06] <sol77> hondje - thanks.
[07:06] <hondje> sol77: You're welcome
[07:06] <TokenBad> can anyone tell me in console how to get into Program Files dir?
[07:06] <nalioth> sol77: there is something called "captive" i believe  its at sourceforge
[07:06] <hondje> TokenBad: do you have the windows drive mounted?
[07:06] <HappyFool> TokenBad: you mean on a windows partition?
[07:06] <sol77> nalioth - I'll look into it. Thanks.
[07:06] <TokenBad> yes
[07:06] <nalioth> sol77: it uses a 'captive' ntfs.sys or whatever from winduhs to 'safely' write
[07:06] <TokenBad> to both questions
[07:07] <HappyFool> TokenBad: something like    cd Program\ Files   ought to do it
[07:07] <nalioth> sol77: HOWEVER nobody has come in here and reported back to us
[07:07] <TokenBad> with the \ in it?
[07:07] <hondje> cd /path/to/mount/"Program Files"
[07:07] <HappyFool> or you can use double (or single) quotes: cd "Program Files"
[07:07] <hondje> either with the \ or in quotes
[07:07] <TokenBad> cause did cd Program Files
[07:07] <TokenBad> or cd /Program Files
[07:07] <hondje> cd Program<tab> too
[07:08] <stjepan> I am back
[07:08] <sol77> nalioth - I'll report back if I can get it to work. I'm not very good with linux, yet.
[07:08] <TokenBad> the tab trick worked
[07:09] <stjepan> ubuntu has great hardware detection
[07:09] <nalioth> sol77: well, NTFS writing is still "unsafe" so you have been warned (unsafe as in full partition loss)
[07:09] <kengur> stjepan, how did you get your connection working from the very beginning?
[07:09] <hondje> sol77: I read something about an app that uses a win ntfs drvier to allow safe writing, but that was some time ago
[07:09] <TokenBad> ok so boiling point not work under cedega
[07:09] <stjepan> kengur: I have said that
[07:09] <TokenBad> heheh
[07:09] <PhantomFreak> It's worked! I re-booted with the mains off and it now reads... 697.290 MHz... It is working, it's just it didn't need setting up!
[07:10] <kengur> stjepan, no, i mean ADSL
[07:10] <PhantomFreak> Wish it would have told me!
[07:10] <stjepan> kengur: I just connected cable, opened FireFox, typed <IP_ADDRESS> and that is all
[07:10] <sol77> nalioth - It is a pretty important partition so maybe I should just convert it to fat32 instead..
[07:10] <stjepan> Ubuntu is great
[07:10] <stjepan> I have not connected with knoppix
[07:10] <kengur> stjepan, did u run pppoe?
[07:10] <nalioth> sol77: use partition magic and cross yer fingers (or dont cross, just back up your data)
[07:10] <stjepan> kengur: no
[07:10] <sol77> hondje - I don't think I have the guts to play around with it. :)
[07:11] <hondje> sol77: I wouldn't either :)
[07:11] <thenuke> nalioth: it's funny that ppl does not believe that partition magic really can suck :) "It has never failed on me!"
[07:11] <stjepan> kengur: I connected with LiveCD version of Ubuntu
[07:11] <magog> hmmm i get this when trying to install enemy territory,      Verifying archive integrity...Error in MD5 checksums: 2774e412c61201dcc90111fef3b2aa29 is different from b8b59bc515d86cc845fb52f5d2c14423
[07:11] <kengur> ok, let's have it this way, can anyone help with PPPOE? =)
[07:11] <sol77> nalioth - is there a free alternative?
[07:11] <magog> is that jus corrupted from using wget?
[07:11] <stjepan> I have not downloaded anything to configure adsl
[07:12] <nalioth> sol77: not to convert AND keep your data
[07:12] <kengur> stjepan, ur using the same way i do now (pppoe build in modem) but this is very unstable on my line and makes the modem hung frequently, i want a different way
[07:12] <stjepan> kengur: try to do that
[07:12] <PhantomFreak> With both my batteries (main and ultrabay) I get a predicted battery life of about 6 hours!
[07:12] <sol77> nalioth - ok, I'll just copy everything, reformat and copy back the data.
[07:12] <nalioth> sol77: sounds the safest way
[07:13] <sol77> nalioth & hondje - thanks for the help guys.
[07:13] <hondje> word
[07:13] <stjepan> kengur: I do not need ppoe configuration
[07:15] <padraig> has anyone here got opinions on installing apache2 / php / mysql via apt-get Vs. installing xampp? I've tried both and I'm having problems getting mysql to let me make new users etc
[07:15] <TQuid> Hi folks.
[07:15] <mypapit> hi TQuid
[07:15] <HappyFool> what's xampp?
[07:16] <Turoq> how can i connect to a shared network driver which has shared using windows ?
[07:16] <TQuid> I've got a Dell 220S and there is no linux support for it.  Anyone know a way to find out which drive in a RAID away is the failing one?  I have three failing, kind of a serious problem, out of eight mirrors.
[07:16] <stjepan> kengur: look at this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PicNetworkSettings.png
[07:16] <padraig> xampp ~= lampp a combined install of apache / php / mysql (and phpmyadmin)
[07:16] <TQuid> It looks like the letters were re-assigned after a reboot, so there's no neat correspondence anymore between the drive letters and scsi ID (if there ever was).
[07:17] <nalioth> hondje: http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/
[07:17] <stjepan> kengur: and this: http://www.linuxfrench.net/IMG/png/network-ubuntu-hoary1.png
[07:18] <TQuid> (and is there a more suitable place for help of this non-OS-dependent sort?)
[07:18] <stjepan> kengur: I clicked on ethernet connection an properties, then dhcp, and ok, ok
[07:18] <kengur> stjepan, i got that point, thanks for help but that is not the thing i need
[07:18] <nalioth> TQuid: have you done a /list? perhaps there is a channel more devoted to your subject
[07:18] <hondje> nalioth: that's the one :)
[07:19] <stjepan> kengur: what is problem with it?
[07:19] <stjepan> kengur: is there error message?
[07:19] <kengur> stjepan, i need the thing called PPPOE, not just plug-that-cable-in
[07:20] <stjepan> ok
[07:20] <stjepan> but what is the problem
[07:20] <stjepan> exactly
[07:20] <HappyFool> Turoq: have you tried going to Places -> Network Servers -> Windows Network ? (assuming ubuntu, not kubuntu)
[07:20] <kengur> i can't make ppp0 default route (my guess)
[07:21] <Turoq> HappyFool i have ubuntu, and i tried and it shows windows network folder in it but its empty :SD
[07:21] <stjepan> kengur: what is the error message? have you log?
[07:21] <smoky_> ng: are you there?
[07:22] <kengur> log what? i bring up pppoeconf then plog says things are ok, then i ping yahoo.com and it doesn't resolve ip
[07:22] <kengur> i tried using rp-pppoe with same results
[07:23] <nalioth> brb
[07:23] <kengur> there's so little about ununtu pppoe configuration written =(
[07:23] <decaf> kengur: what do you have in /etc/resolv.conf
[07:23] <HappyFool> Turoq: have you tested the network connection between the machines?
[07:23] <kengur> decaf, assuming it was written by pppoeconf
[07:24] <decaf> kengur: you need 'usepeerdns' line
[07:24] <Turoq> ahh gotit
[07:24] <decaf> kengur: it shoud have, but may be there is a problem
[07:24] <HappyFool> Turoq: what was the problem?
[07:25] <kengur> decaf, i have "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" atm and i need to disconnect and go with brigde to check what's in there =(
[07:25] <Turoq> happyfool i got it when i used terminal
[07:26] <Turoq> smbclient //ip/folder -U username
[07:26] <cinlung> hi guys
[07:26] <Turoq> but
[07:26] <kengur> decaf, just what is the correct thing to do step by step to go with pppoe in ubuntu (assuming it's the best way)
[07:26] <cinlung> I am a newbie for ubuntu
[07:26] <Turoq> how can i get whole folder ?
[07:26] <cinlung> may I ask any experts here about ubuntu?
[07:26] <scc> hiiiiiiiiiiii
[07:26] <thenuke> cinlung: dont ask for experts, just state your problem :) it may not need an expert to answer
[07:26] <E0x> exactly
[07:26] <cinlung> can anyone tell me why there are ubuntu and kubuntu?
[07:27] <nalioth> cinlung: fancy names
[07:27] <E0x> easy
[07:27] <thenuke> cinlung: kubuntu comes with KDE
[07:27] <Amaranth> cinlung: kubuntu is a community project based on ubuntu
[07:27] <hondje> cinlung: to keep each distro on one CD?
[07:27] <thenuke> cinlung: ubuntu ships with gnome
[07:27] <mjr> cinlung, because only one DE fits onto a CD
[07:27] <HappyFool> Turoq: hm. how about Places -> Connect to Server..   -- i see a Windows share option there
[07:27] <thenuke> cinlung: ubuntu is the Original thing
[07:27] <sobersabre> guys in kde 3.3 there was "home" icon on the desktop.
[07:27] <sobersabre> how can i get one in 3.4
[07:27] <sobersabre> ?
[07:27] <kengur> so far i've heard diff answers from everyone =))
[07:28] <cinlung> what are the advantages of gnome over KDE? Lately I see kde perform better in term of multimedia dn user friendliness
[07:28] <sobersabre> i also would like to have icons for mounted CDs/flashdisk
[07:28] <HappyFool> sobersabre: if you don't get an answer here, try #kubuntu
[07:28] <Amaranth> cinlung: KDE is not better wrt user friendlyness :)
[07:28] <kengur> cinlung, and it segfaults about once per 30 min in my experience
[07:28] <cyphase> why exactly does ubuntu backport fixes into packages instead of upgrading the package?
[07:28] <cyphase> firefox for example
[07:28] <cinlung> could you install both Gnome and KDE into one systems so that we can easily swith one from another?
[07:28] <hondje> cyphase: nothing, really
[07:28] <hondje> cinlung: I do that
[07:28] <mjr> cinlung, yes, you can
[07:28] <virtuald> in my experience KDE is more ugly
[07:29] <Amaranth> cyphase: because the firefox developers get feature happy and potentially break things
[07:29] <cinlung> how to do it?
[07:29] <cyphase> KDE is ugly
[07:29] <HappyFool> one imagines all the gnome-bashers are in #kubuntu ;)
[07:29] <cyphase> ol
[07:29] <cyphase> lol*
[07:29] <thenuke> cinlung: try apt-get install kde :)
[07:29] <mjr> cinlung, just install both ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop packages
[07:29] <thenuke> oh yeah, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop..
[07:29] <cinlung> but I thought 1 CD only consist of either KDE or gnome
[07:29] <Amaranth> cyphase: when at all possible API, ABI, and feature stability are maintained in a release
[07:29] <cinlung> can you install ubuntu first
[07:29] <kengur> i'm going back to windows =((
[07:30] <thenuke> well kde works too I bet but kubuntu-desktop package install must more things into it
[07:30] <Amaranth> kengur: why?
[07:30] <cinlung> and then put in the Kubuntu and install just the gnome?
[07:30] <mjr> cinlung, correct, so you use them both or preferrably the network
[07:30] <thenuke> kengur: you should use both, windows and linux :)
[07:30] <cinlung> I mean install with ubuntu first and then somehow get the KDE from the kubuntu disc?
[07:30] <kengur> Amaranth, cause i can't use ADSL for leeching things (get modem hung with build in pppoe)
[07:30] <Amaranth> leeching things?
[07:31] <kengur> torrent
[07:31] <hondje> cinlung: apt-get will allow you to download kubuntu stuff from the internet, and install it for you
[07:31] <mjr> cinlung, ofr example, though I'd recommend apt-getting from the network
[07:31] <Amaranth> kengur: you're not supposed to be leeching anyway
[07:31] <tahorg> Amaranth: why ?
[07:31] <Amaranth> kengur: those linux distro ISOs need as many seeders as possible
[07:31] <Seveas> Amaranth, lol ;)
[07:31] <Amaranth> tahorg: bittorrent works tit-for-tat
[07:32] <tahorg> Amaranth: Ok, got your point.
[07:32] <cinlung> does the KDE in the kubuntu has the palm support with USB like in Suse and Fedora?
[07:32] <Amaranth> tahorg: you upload a byte, you can download a byte
[07:32] <stjepan> one question, pls
[07:32] <nubbe> I got dhcp, how do I release my ip# and request a new one?
[07:32] <Seveas> stjepan, read the topic: just ask
[07:32] <thenuke> nubbe: sudo dhclient
[07:32] <Amaranth> nubbe: sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0
[07:32] <Amaranth> nubbe: you'll get disconnected from the network when you do it
[07:32] <stjepan> i have adsl, ethernet, it works ok, but on ubuntu live adsl is very slow
[07:32] <nubbe> oki, thanks both of u
[07:33] <HappyFool> does that guarantee a new ip addr ?
[07:33] <Amaranth> HappyFool: you can never do that
[07:33] <Amaranth> HappyFool: that's up to the DHCP server
[07:33] <HappyFool> Amaranth: i didn't think so
[07:33] <stjepan> i have adsl, ethernet, it works ok, but on ubuntu live adsl is very slow. What is the problem?
[07:33] <Amaranth> stjepan: Please don't repeat yourself. If someone can help they will.
[07:33] <cinlung> Can I install with ubuntu disc first and then somehow get the KDE from the kubuntu disc later?
[07:33] <Amaranth> cinlung: yeah, you can use synaptic to add the kubuntu CD as a repository
[07:34] <cinlung> ic ic
[07:34] <Amaranth> cinlung: then install kubuntu-desktop
[07:34] <cinlung> thnaks
[07:34] <cinlung> thanks
[07:34] <cinlung> one more
[07:34] <cinlung> does kubuntu or ubuntu support palm with USB?
[07:34] <Seveas> cinlung, both support it
[07:35] <cinlung> what software does the gnome version uses?
[07:35] <cinlung> for the palm I mean
[07:35] <stjepan> does live slow down internet speed?
[07:35] <stjepan> what do you think?
[07:35] <Seveas> stjepan, live slows down everything
[07:36] <Seveas> stjepan, live cds are not designed or meant to be fast
[07:36] <stjepan> Seveas: but why internet also?
[07:37] <stjepan> does Kde programs work on Ubuntu's gnome?
[07:37] <cinlung> OK guys... among all the members here. I'd like to hold a vote about gnome and KDE. Please tell me your country of origin and why you like the desktop UI you choose... This will help me a lot... thank you in advance
[07:37] <thenuke> stjepan: yes
[07:37] <thenuke> stjepan: they just need some kde-libraries
[07:37] <cinlung> Indonesia: KDE because it is very multimedia and friendly
[07:38] <cinlung> please vote people
[07:38] <HappyFool> cinlung: great. if you like kde, use it. choice is good.
[07:38] <stjepan> cinlung: I preger gnome, it think it is faster, and in my opinion, nicer :)
[07:38] <hondje> Why does it matter who uses what?
[07:38] <hondje> Try them all out, and use the one that suits you
[07:38] <goldfish> cinlung: ireland, xfce. or flux.
[07:38] <thenuke> cinlung: wellh, I bet that about 90% of ppl in here use gnome because that is the default
[07:38] <stjepan> I am from Croatia
[07:39] <HappyFool> if you're feeling really experimental, try out twm or something... ah. minimalist.
[07:39] <stjepan> thenuke: yeah, that is true
[07:40] <kengur> russia: gnome cause it's more stable, has better programmers attracted and C# friendly
[07:41] <karljp> anyone seen this: localhost kernel: mm/memory.c:110: bad pmd 00000001
[07:41] <karljp> no apparent reason for it, but caused a hard lockup
[07:41] <Seveas> karljp, run memtest86, you might have bad memory
[07:42] <cinlung> thanks so much guys... I guess the world prefer Gnome. This vote meant a lot for me because I wanted to adopt a standard that the world support. I have been having headache about which environment to choose. too many version.
[07:42] <karljp> what's the 86 for?
[07:42] <Seveas> that's the name
[07:42] <HappyFool> presumably for x86 style architectures
[07:43] <kengur> cinlung, well really KDE is more popular, Gnome is the only choice for enterprise
[07:43] <karljp> ahh, memtest86+, not the standard memtest that's installed by default
[07:43] <Seveas> karljp, i mean the memtest installed by default
[07:43] <cinlung> ic ic.. also another thing I realized is that KDE has more UI for most linux settings, while gnome mostly still use regular text file
[07:43] <inc595> anyone good with the nautilus samba share?
[07:43] <karljp> well, that] s "memtest" not memtest86, just fyi :)
[07:44] <hondje> cinlung: seriously, just try them both out, they ahve the strong and weak points
[07:44] <meridius> Hello, I just installed ubuntu and I'm new to linux. Can anyone tell me which program to use for a graphical monitor of CPU and network usage?
[07:44] <hondje> cinlung: it all comes down to opinion, the same thing that makes one guy buy chevy and the other guy honda
[07:44] <mjr> meridius, there are panel applets for those
[07:44] <mjr> meridius, right click on panel, then add applet, look for cpu and netowrk monitors
[07:44] <meridius> Panel applets? (I just installed this yesterday)
[07:44] <kengur> meridius, r-click the task bar (top) and add monitor
[07:44] <stjepan> cinlung: try Knoppix and Ubuntu live and see
[07:44] <londonboi2k3> Hi guys, I need a liitle help with Bzflag, I am trying to install the debian package but i get the following error bzflag depends on libcurl3 (>= 7.13.0-1); however Version of libcurl3 on system is 7.12.3-2ubuntu3.   Im really sorry if this sounds silly but i am a little new to linux
[07:44] <magog> ok im installing enemy territory, it uncompressed, then asked for my root pass, i gave it but it keeps asking for it over and over and wont continue
[07:45] <meridius> whoa crazy. thanks kengur
[07:45] <cinlung> I did try both and that was the impression I got. Please correctme if I am wrong. In general, I think KDE is better for non technical user and gnome for real hardcore.
[07:45] <jetscreamer> kde and gnome are for windows users to like
[07:45] <gangalee> how do you add to the path?
[07:45] <mjr> cinlung, I, generally, would be of the exact opposite opinion :)
[07:45] <HappyFool> londonboi2k3: how are you installing bzflag? using apt-get or synaptic, or dpkg ?
[07:45] <xoz> londonboi2k3: try apt-get dist-upgrade/upgrade.. you may have some deps problem
[07:45] <Seveas> londonboi2k3, why are you using the package from debian..?
[07:46] <jetscreamer> londonboi2k3: you should get the version you need
[07:46] <londonboi2k3> I am using dpkg -i
[07:46] <nalioth> cinlung: kde is more comfortable for windows users, i believe
[07:46] <cinlung> mjr: really. please tell me why?
[07:46] <bigbill52a> if you use the sources.list from the unofficial guide and attempt to use the restricted modules...you will get an xfree86 ati driver, rather than an xorg driver
[07:46] <kengur> just for a quick note i could never work out how to make KDE applet monitor network =))
[07:46] <HappyFool> londonboi2k3: bzflag is in ubuntu's 'universe' repository, there's no need to use dpkg
[07:46] <londonboi2k3> i tried apt-get but its version 1
[07:46] <hondje> HappyFool: It's version1
[07:46] <mjr> cinlung, gnome's more straightforward with no excess of options eg., kde is more for the tweaker
[07:46] <HappyFool> ah
[07:46] <hondje> They changed to 2 before someone moved it in, and that's sad :(
[07:46] <londonboi2k3> i am trying to install 2.0.0
[07:46] <londonboi2k3> i am trying to install 2.0.2 i mean
[07:47] <cinlung> mjr: you got a point there. Which is somewhat nicve to have too... :) You can understand all the linux possibilities.
[07:47] <Di42lo> How do i install .deb file ? lol...i use so much apt-get so i forgot how to install downloaded file
[07:47] <jetscreamer> dpkg -i
[07:47] <Di42lo> thx
[07:47] <londonboi2k3> xos i did that aswell but its not seem to be a deendacy prob
[07:48] <bigbill52a> if you download the xorg driver from ati, you have to use dpkg -i --force-all
[07:48] <meridius> kengur: the panel applets worked, however they just show up as a tiny little icon on the top. Is there anyway to view them more graphically on the side?
[07:48] <jetscreamer> londonboi2k3: then go get libcurl3 version you need
[07:48] <HappyFool> londonboi2k3: the ubuntu curl library is unlikely to be updated before breezy is released
[07:48] <dmoyne> when upgarding hoary whai the meaning of these 3 lines :
[07:48] <londonboi2k3> how do i get the libcurl version i need, would i use apt-get?
[07:49] <cinlung> well... nice to join you all guys and thanks for all the great opinions. I hope ubuntu may become a worthy opponent of fedora and suse
[07:49] <londonboi2k3> because apt-get install libcurl3 says newist version is already installed
[07:49] <kengur> no, u can just make them wider
[07:49] <jetscreamer> you 'could' download it from packages.debian.org and dpkg -i it... but i'm not recommending using any non ubuntu sources londonboi2k3 because i don't know what it will do to that
[07:49] <bigbill52a> does anyone have the sources.list entry for the new kde?
[07:49] <Burgundavia> bigbill52a, which new kde?
[07:49] <proko> hi
[07:49] <hondje> londonboi2k3: that dep is okay to ignore
[07:49] <karljp> heh, memtest all wasn't a good idea
[07:50] <Di42lo> is there other text editors for gnome except gedit ?
[07:50] <meridius> kengur: Ok, well do you know of any other programs which can do that?
[07:50] <jetscreamer> gedit rocks
[07:50] <proko> I try to install e17 on my computer, but the compiler seems not to see X, any idea ?
[07:50] <londonboi2k3> hmm, ok, i will force it and if its not working ill go with the deb package :) Thanks guys
[07:50] <nalioth> karljp: did you get colored smoke?
[07:50] <kengur> kremg-something, i don't remember the name =))
[07:50] <karljp> not quite, just locked up
[07:50] <meridius> ok, i'll google it
[07:50] <kengur> it's KDE thing though
[07:50] <nalioth> Di42lo: nedit
[07:51] <sandip> Di42lo: what do you need the editor for? occasional text editing, or coding?
[07:51] <Di42lo> coding + hebrew
[07:51] <meridius> awww ;(
[07:51] <jetscreamer> nedit is cool to run scripts with (after editing)
[07:51] <kengur> meridius, u better ask around, it's just sounds to me it was kremg-something =)
[07:51] <Di42lo> (right to left lang)
[07:51] <jode> can someone tell me how to update java in ubuntu?
[07:51] <kengur> google is not phonetics friendly =))
[07:51] <Seveas> jode: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file]
[07:51] <meridius> There's one called GkrellM
[07:52] <Seveas> adn do that manually for every release of java...
[07:52] <meridius> http://members.dslextreme.com/users/billw/gkrellm/gkrellm.html
[07:52] <proko> proko I try to install e17 on my computer, but the compiler seems not to see X, any idea ?
[07:52] <HappyFool> make-dpkg, i presume, not make-jpkg
[07:52] <magog> hmm i got enemy territory to work but it has no sound... anyone have this problem b4?
[07:52] <jode> thanks
[07:52] <nalioth> proko: the e17 wasnt available from the repos?
[07:52] <Seveas> HappyFool, it is make-jpkg
[07:52] <HappyFool> ah, ok
[07:53] <Seveas> "make me a java package"
[07:53] <sandip> Di42lo: Have to taken a look at Anjuta?
[07:53] <proko> sorry nalioth ?
[07:53] <HappyFool> jode left already. doh.
[07:53] <proko> I got it via CVS
[07:53] <Seveas> proko, sudo aptitude install xlibs-dev
[07:53] <proko> k
[07:53] <kengur> e17 is all like experimental
[07:53] <proko> thanks Seveas
[07:53] <jetscreamer> alioth
[07:54] <Di42lo> sandip: no ...sec
[07:55] <proko> xlibs-dev install running ...
[07:55] <smoky_> hello
[07:56] <karljp> hmm, it seems that the other people on the net with "bad pmd" messages things keep running for them
[07:56] <smoky_> does anybody know how to check the bios calls from ubuntu?
[07:56] <sandip> Di42lo: It is a bit heavy, but it is a full fledged editor with multi-lingual support. BTW, gedit is good as a multi-lingual editor too, but it does hardly more than text editing.
[07:56] <karljp> has whoever it was that suggested running memtest86 actually seen this message before?
[07:56] <karljp> or was "run memtest86" a guess based on the error message?
[07:56] <jetscreamer> linux kindof ignores bios doesn't it, or doesn't need it or something
[07:57] <smoky_> jetscreamer: but my laptop gives some special bios calls that do not work correctly in ubuntu hoary
[07:57] <smoky_> but do in all other os
[07:57] <smoky_> even the live-cd
[07:58] <ProkoAFK> Seveas, I works now
[07:58] <ProkoAFK> thank U
[07:58] <ProkoAFK> :D
[07:58] <ProkoAFK> bye bye
[07:59] <Seveas> :)
[07:59] <chileverde> q: how can I start using the 586 kernel (it seems ubuntu installs 386 by default)?
[07:59] <smoky_> any idea what part of ubuntu can cause the delay of bios calls?
[07:59] <Seveas> chileverde, there is no 586 kernel, there is a 686 one though
[07:59] <Seveas> sudo aptitude install linux-686
[07:59] <chileverde> thats right, sry
[07:59] <Seveas> and choose the correct one when booting
[08:00] <chileverde> just like that?
[08:00] <Seveas> yep
[08:00] <chileverde> nice, ty
[08:00] <Seveas> isn't it great :)
[08:00] <chileverde> (coming from gentoo, ubuntu really amazes me)
[08:01] <yaaar> word
[08:01] <stjepan> is Ubuntu installer complicted
[08:01] <stjepan> ?
[08:01] <stjepan> complicated?
[08:02] <HappyFool> no, in my opinion
[08:02] <chileverde> piece of cake, pretty much select lang thats it
[08:02] <chileverde> :D
[08:02] <kutucape> well it willbe complicated for average joe
[08:02] <Seveas> stjepan, it's very easy
[08:03] <kutucape> every average joe know GUI mode installer
[08:03] <Seveas> stjepan, the most difficult thing is manually partitioning if you need that
[08:03] <kutucape> it's easy if you instal for a new fresh harddisk
[08:04] <kutucape> and use automatic partition
[08:04] <stjepan> Seveas: I know how to make partitions
[08:04] <stjepan> what about other?
[08:05] <Seveas> stjepan, well, the other questions are name/pw/location/language/keyboard layout
[08:05] <Seveas> and that's i
[08:05] <Seveas> t
[08:05] <nalioth> stefan_dk: it's easy as pic
[08:05] <nalioth> pie even
[08:06] <nalioth> stjepan: easy as pie. this is one of the most user friendly distros i've used
[08:06] <stjepan> Seveas: do you have any ubuntu video?
[08:06] <stjepan> or ubuntu install guide?
[08:07] <othernoob> stjepan: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=305&slide=1
[08:08] <nalioth> stjepan: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallHowTo
[08:08] <gangalee> does anyone know how to set the path on Hoary?
[08:09] <HappyFool> gangalee: for the command-line only?
[08:09] <Seveas> gangalee, try setting it in ~/.gnomerc or ~/.bashrc (last one is for when you just need it in the shell)
[08:09] <wdh> hi ppls.. i've been trying to get hardware acceleration to work with my KM 400 Via Unichrome onboard videocard.. does anyone have a clue on what has to be done exactly to get this working?
[08:09] <stjepan> oh thx
[08:11] <hanseatic> hi... i am trying to set up a correct german localisation de_DE UTF-8 euro... that also works for the console... however it will not work properly... umlaut signs and )))(/&%$"! are not displayed corectly
[08:11] <nalioth> time for work
[08:12] <wdh> hanseatic, 'dpkg-reconfigure locales'?
[08:12] <Seveas> hanseatic, edit /etc/environment
[08:15] <gangalee> thx
[08:17] <per> I just installed kernek <IP_ADDRESS>, and now I'm having serious problems with gam_server. kernel spews out " sceduling while atomic gam_server/0xffffffff0/" 20 times in the console, and panic. I had to delete gam_server to start gnome. Does anyone know what is wrong?
[08:17] <stjepan> "making sure that LILO is installed to the root superblock
[08:17] <stjepan> (boot sector) of the Linux Native partition, not the master boot record." - is it true?
[08:17] <per> s/kernek/kernel/
[08:17] <Turoq> what is wrong, i got newest ati drivers but when i try to run quake3, it lags with poorest settings
[08:18] <Seveas> per, 2.6.11 is unsupported and known to contain bugs
[08:18] <Turoq> but in windows it works fine with max settings
[08:18] <Seveas> do not use it
[08:18] <per> argh.
[08:18] <per> I was so happy to have inotify and everything. Well well. I'll just downgrade. Thanks.
[08:19] <gangalee> HappyFool: yes, for command line only
[08:20] <HappyFool> gangalee: ok. i think Seveas answered your question  -- ~/.bashrc may be what you want
[08:21] <HappyFool> gangalee: especially if you're planning on logging in on the console (i.e., Ctl-Alt-F1), in which case i don't think ~/.gnomerc won't be sourced
[08:21] <HappyFool> err
[08:21] <bigbill52a> turoq...did you download the drivers from ati?
[08:21] <HappyFool> i don't think ~/.gnomerc *will* be sourced, at the console, that is
[08:21] <Turoq> bigbill52a yeah
[08:21] <Turoq> and i got 2300 from glxgears
[08:21] <Turoq> fps
[08:21] <Seveas> HappyFool, it is sourced on lgoin
[08:22] <Turoq> but i just wonder why the hell quake3 is so laggy
[08:22] <Seveas> so it's set in shells to
[08:22] <Seveas> too
[08:22] <bigbill52a> that is about what i get
[08:22] <HappyFool> Seveas: yeah, but not .. you know. the console. non-gui login.
[08:22] <Seveas> ah, *ping*
[08:23] <HappyFool> never knew about .gnomerc. looks awfully useful.
[08:23] <bigbill52a> 3055
[08:23] <bigbill52a> full screen 240
[08:24] <bigbill52a> amd-64 with 9600xt
[08:24] <gangalee> I don't see where to set the path still, I thought it was something like SETENV...
[08:25] <Seveas> gangalee, put this line in ~/.bashrc
[08:25] <Seveas> export PATH=/something/to/add/to/path:$PATH
[08:27] <Dr_Melectaus> is there any other progs other than winrar that allow you to open .rar files (for free)
[08:28] <chileverde> unrar
[08:28] <Burgundavia> Dr_Melectaus, unrar-nonfree
[08:28] <Dr_Melectaus> unrar?
[08:28] <Dr_Melectaus> hmmk
[08:28] <Dr_Melectaus> ill do a google
[08:28] <Dr_Melectaus> cheers
[08:29] <chileverde> how can I change the default kernel image to boot? Or do I need to change grub.conf?
[08:30] <HappyFool> i think it's /boot/grub/menu.lst you need to tweak
[08:30] <HappyFool> look for the 'default' parameter. shouldn't be too hard to figure out
[08:30] <gangalee> funny, my File Roller (2.10.1) on Hoary handles the .rars, yet my archive mgr. on Warty doesn't
[08:30] <REds> ye it has an order near the top of the menu.lst file
[08:30] <chileverde> yeah, I know, but I think there was a config option in gnome for that
[08:31] <HappyFool> ah, dunno. if you find it, let me know ;)
[08:31] <Dr_Melectaus> See when you all started useing linux. What did you do to learn about it
[08:31] <Dr_Melectaus> i mean, ive used it once or twice and just cant do squat with itr
[08:31] <Dr_Melectaus> it**
[08:31] <concept10> Anyone have beagle working in ubuntu?
[08:31] <bigbill52a> bashed my head against the wall a couple of times///
[08:32] <hondje> Dr_Melectaus: I had no choice, and only used it :)
[08:32] <HappyFool> Dr_Melectaus: you can browse http://wiki.ubuntu.com for lots of info on ubuntu
[08:32] <HappyFool> Dr_Melectaus: also en.tldp.org, for slightly more techie stuff. I'm sure there are many more sites with info
[08:33] <HappyFool> Dr_Melectaus: what do you wish to do with your computer?
[08:33] <gangalee> Seveas: thanks
[08:33] <chileverde> ubuntu makes it really easy for newcomers btw
[08:34] <MrGardenHoseMan> anyone know vmware here?
[08:34] <Dr_Melectaus> HappyFool: i eventualy want to be into web dev, but atm just to browse the web, learn more about the techy stuff rather than a gui doing it all for me
[08:35] <drspin> MrGardenHoseMan: I use VmWare every day
[08:36] <MrGardenHoseMan> if i create a partition using it inside widnows, will it overwrite any files?
[08:36] <MrGardenHoseMan> most likely not, but just want to make sure
[08:36] <drspin> uh ? If you create a partition it will only apply inside the virtual machine
[08:37] <MrGardenHoseMan> eh that works
[08:37] <MrGardenHoseMan> heh
[08:38] <HappyFool> Dr_Melectaus: ok. well, browsing etc. is obviously supported. using synaptic or apt-get you can easily install apache (a web-server) and related software
[08:38] <Dr_Melectaus> cool
[08:40] <marsh> Does anyone know about id3 taggin? I'm trying to write script to sort out my mp3's, but having a nightmare finding a tagger (command line) that lets me read the tags and gives me more than 15(or so) of the album titles characters >:( as I beleive it, the tags should be of variable length. is this true?
[08:42] <HappyFool> marsh: i think the maximum length depends on the 'version' of id3 tag. what tools have you tried ?
[08:42] <synd> i just untar'd a file. whered it go?
[08:42] <Ng> id3 is generally a nightmare :/
[08:43] <HappyFool> marsh: apt-cache search id3v reveals a host of tools
[08:43] <Ng> synd: how did yo untar it?
[08:43] <Ng> +u
[08:43] <synd> tar xvzf, ng
[08:43] <Ng> synd: it should have printed the filenames as it extracted then, they will be relative to the directory you were in when you ran that command
[08:43] <Persian> hello, I just bought a netgear wpn111 usb network adapter, can anyone please help me get it to work with my ubuntu?
[08:47] <Razor-X> hmmmm
[08:47] <Razor-X> btdownloadcurses is being a bitch
[08:47] <Razor-X> but, Azureus is being equally bitchy
[08:47] <Ng> Persian: a quick google suggests it's unfortunately not supported by linux
[08:48] <bumperland> help I'm getting this error ??
[08:48] <Razor-X> bumperland: shoot
[08:48] <bumperland>   Depends: libc6 (>=2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be instal
[08:48] <Razor-X> but, if it's long, put it in pastebin
[08:48] <Razor-X> bumperland: .............
[08:48] <Razor-X> are you using apt-get?
[08:48] <bumperland> yep
[08:49] <Razor-X> hmmmm
[08:49] <Razor-X> what package?
[08:49] <CountDown> Anyone successfully using Ogre3D via the Debian unstable packages?
[08:49] <Persian> anyone know how to set up a wireless network in ubuntu?
[08:49] <bumperland> a bunch ... mplayer for one
[08:50] <karljp> doh. grip excised all my non ascii chars from my directory names
[08:50] <karljp> not helpful
[08:50] <HappyFool> Persian: as Ng said earlier, it looks like your particular hardware may not be supported
[08:50] <Razor-X> bumperland: are you using hoary?
[08:50] <Persian> HappyFool, ouch
[08:50] <HappyFool> Persian: e.g., see here: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/List
[08:50] <bumperland> yep
[08:50] <Razor-X> hmmm.....
[08:50] <Ng> Persian: if you just bought it you might be able to return it for another model?
[08:50] <HappyFool> Persian: scroll right to the bottom
[08:50] <Razor-X> then, all I can suggest is a reinstall, then
[08:51] <Razor-X> or, apt-get the libc package
[08:51] <Ng> Persian: consult the list HappyFool just pasted and other linux hardware compatibility lists google turns up before you buy :)
[08:51] <HappyFool> bumperland: where are you getting mplayer from? have you added backports / marillat/ something else?
[08:51] <Razor-X> why isn't btdownloadcruses working!
[08:51] <bumperland> yes
[08:51] <Razor-X> HappyFool: I don't think that does anything
[08:51] <fateisajester> does anyone know where i can get ahold of the aol client software for linux
[08:51] <Razor-X> bumperland: wait, did you try this with the basic repos?
[08:52] <anmar> Wanting to buy an HP DV1000 series laptop with Broadcom wireless card. Need to know NDIS wrappers are stable enough to be a solid alternative and does it support Suspend to disk / RAM ?
[08:52] <bumperland> what ???
[08:52] <eric_> how do i test if i have 3D acceleration?
[08:52] <Razor-X> bumperland: when did this error start?
[08:52] <fateisajester> eric_ glxgears
[08:52] <Ng> eric_: which graphics card do you have?
[08:53] <Razor-X> bumperland: was this the first apt-get you did?
[08:53] <bumperland> recently .. installed mplayer
[08:53] <eric_> ok, will try, i've got a ATI Rdeon9600
[08:53] <bumperland> no
[08:53] <Razor-X> did you change your sources.list previous to the start of the error?
[08:53] <eric_> what am i looking for with glxgears
[08:53] <bumperland> yes
[08:53] <Davey> eric_: the framework, shown in the console
[08:53] <HappyFool> eric_: relatively high frame per second
[08:53] <Davey> framerate
[08:53] <Davey> eric_: I get 3500fps at its default size with a 9600 XT (256MB RAM)
[08:54] <Persian> HappyFool, yepp you're right
[08:54] <Persian> must come a driver sometime soon tho
[08:54] <Davey> between 1600 and 3500fps :)
[08:54] <Ng> eric_: /var/log/Xorg.0.log should (quite a way down) have output from the ati drivers, which ought to indicate if it is using acceleration, if the fps isn't a clear indication
[08:54] <thenuke> does ubuntu support fat32 out of the box?
[08:54] <Razor-X> bumperland: did you have successful rus with the new sources.list before the error started appearing?
[08:54] <eric_> ok, ive got a picture of moving gears, how do i get the framerate, (yes, i am a newbie)
[08:55] <Razor-X> thenuke: yes
[08:55] <mjr> thenuke, yes
[08:55] <marsh> HappyFool, sorry - got abit tied up there... i tried libid3 - but it's a library & i dont know how to use them, i also tried kid3 - which incidently wont apt-get, eyeD3 - same length prob, id3tool - same prob
[08:55] <bumperland> yes
[08:55] <Blissex> eric_: the frame rate is printed out on the terkinal you stasrted the program from
[08:55] <fateisajester> does anyone know where i can get ahold of the aol client software for linux
[08:55] <crimsun> marsh: what are you trying to do?
[08:55] <mjr> eric_, really the more straightforward way to check is if direct rendering is enabled in glxinfo
[08:55] <crimsun> fateisajester: from aol's web site
[08:55] <Razor-X> fateisajester: hold on while I look up the source for peng-aol
[08:55] <raptoid> asdasdads
[08:55] <marsh> but maybe I cant see the woods for the trees & i'm doing something stupid... the most frustrating bit is getting the software back off once it's on.
[08:55] <crimsun> fateisajester: or just use gaim/kopete/naim/btlbee
[08:55] <Razor-X> errr, not peng, rather, something else
[08:56] <fateisajester> no im talking about the america online client software
[08:56] <Razor-X> wait, AOL dialer?
[08:56] <fateisajester> like connectivity software
[08:56] <Razor-X> yeah yeah, hold on
[08:56] <eric_> i get this:  X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
[08:56] <eric_> root@ubuntu:/home/eric # glxgears
[08:56] <eric_> 1707 frames in 5.0 seconds = 341.400 FPS
[08:56] <eric_> 4920 frames in 5.0 seconds = 984.000 FPS
[08:56] <eric_> 4920 frames in 5.0 seconds = 984.000 FPS
[08:56] <eric_> 5040 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1008.000 FPS
[08:56] <fateisajester> i have cable modem
[08:56] <eric_> 4920 frames in 5.0 seconds = 984.000 FPS
[08:56] <eric_> 5040 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1008.000 FPS
[08:56] <eric_> 4920 frames in 5.0 seconds = 984.000 FPS
[08:56] <Davey> its enabled ;)
[08:56] <crimsun> eric_: please use #flood instead
[08:56] <eric_> 4906 frames in 5.0 seconds = 981.200 FPS
[08:56] <Razor-X> enic_: stop that!
[08:56] <eric_> 5040 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1008.000 FPS
[08:56] <Davey> you can stop now
[08:56] <eric_> 4920 frames in 5.0 seconds = 984.000 FPS
[08:56] <eric_> 5040 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1008.000 FPS
[08:56] <Razor-X> enic_: use pastebin
[08:56] <eric_> 4920 frames in 5.0 seconds = 984.000 FPS
[08:56] <eric_> 4920 frames in 5.0 seconds = 984.000 FPS
[08:56] <eric_> 1080 frames in 5.0 seconds = 216.000 FPS
[08:56] <eric_> 840 frames in 5.0 seconds = 168.000 FPS
[08:56] <HappyFool> marsh: apt-get remove erases software -- and i'm sure you can use synaptic to remove it
[08:56] <eric_> 720 frames in 5.0 seconds = 144.000 FPS
[08:56] <HappyFool> goodness me
[08:56] <eric_> X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
[08:56] <eric_> root@ubuntu:/home/eric # glxinfo
[08:56] <eric_> name of display: :0.0
[08:56] <marsh> crimsun, trying to get the id3tag for mp3's so I can rename everything & reposition everything into a nice tidy tree of music files, depending on the tags
[08:56] <eric_> display: :0  screen: 0
[08:56] <eric_> direct rendering: No
[08:56] <r0bby> pastebin
[08:56] <eric_> server glx vendor string: SGI
[08:56] <r0bby> MAKE IT YOUR FRIEND
[08:56] <eric_> server glx version string: 1.2
[08:56] <eric_> server glx extensions:
[08:57] <r0bby> paste bin
[08:57] <eric_>     GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating,
[08:57] <Shuddertrix> kick!
[08:57] <eric_>     GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_OML_swap_method, GLX_SGI_make_current_read,
[08:57] <r0bby> pastebin.com
[08:57] <eric_>     GLX_SGIS_multisample, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig
[08:57] <r0bby> pastebin.com
[08:57] <r0bby> pastebin.com
[08:57] <eric_> client glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
[08:57] <Rockett17> bloody hell
[08:57] <eric_> client glx version string: 1.3
[08:57] <eric_> client glx extensions:
[08:57] <Ng> shoosh
[08:57] <eric_>     GLX_ARB_get_proc_address, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_visual_info,
[08:57] <eric_>     GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_SGI_video_sync,
[08:57] <Ng> his paste is unstoppable now ;)
[08:57] <fateisajester> PASTBIN.COM
[08:57] <HappyFool> hehe
[08:57] <marsh> HappyFool, yeah, but it doesn't remove the dependencies it installed.... would I have to write a script to do that?
[08:57] <fateisajester>   /KICK HIM
[08:57] <crimsun> eric_: use #flood for floods.
[08:57] <kengur> lol
[08:57] <toptnc> hi all
[08:57] <k4rp0r> hi
[08:57] <HappyFool> marsh: um. dunno.
[08:58] <toptnc> anyone knows a way to have opengl 1.3 in hoary?
[08:58] <fateisajester> http://news.com.com/AOLs+Linux+software+leaks+onto+Web/2100-1023_3-244438.html
[08:58] <justin> marsh: stop using apt-get. use aptitude.
[08:58] <notdenizen> is us.archive.ubuntu.com down ?
[08:58] <toptnc> i haven't nvidia or fglrx compatible card
[08:58] <crimsun> toptnc: mesa is included
[08:58] <marsh> HappyFool, trying to not have lots of 'bits and peices' on my nice fresh install...
[08:58] <marsh> justin aptitude?
[08:58] <toptnc> crimsun: yes, mesa include opengl, but is opengl 1.2
[09:00] <HappyFool> is there any reason *not* to use aptitude? should we always recommend it over apt-get ?
[09:00] <cerebellum> hey
[09:00] <crimsun> HappyFool: it doesn't have the functionality of "build-dep" or "source" yet
[09:00] <cerebellum> i have problem when i try to configure xmms
[09:00] <Razor-X> fateisajester: here you are
[09:00] <cerebellum> somebody can help me
[09:00] <Razor-X> fateisajester: www.linspire.com/dialersource
[09:00] <crimsun> HappyFool: but essentially, there's no reason to suggest apt-get over aptitude
[09:00] <cerebellum> i get the error
[09:00] <cerebellum> When I try to configure XMMS, I get the error:
[09:00] <cerebellum> checking for glib-config... no
[09:00] <cerebellum> checking for GLIB - version >= 1.2.2... no
[09:00] <cerebellum> *** The glib-config script installed by GLIB could not be found
[09:00] <cerebellum> *** If GLIB was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in
[09:00] <cerebellum> *** your path, or set the GLIB_CONFIG environment variable to the
[09:00] <Razor-X> compile the source code of that
[09:00] <cerebellum> *** full path to glib-config.
[09:01] <cerebellum> configure: error: *** GLIB >= 1.2.2 not installed - please install first ***
[09:01] <fateisajester> thx
[09:01] <Razor-X> -__
[09:01] <crimsun> cerebellum: please use #flood for floods
[09:01] <Razor-X> *-_-
[09:01] <HappyFool> crimsun: right, ta
[09:01] <demantik> New Ati Drivers, few days ago - anybody checked out that automated .run installer thing?
[09:02] <demantik> 36mb...hmm..one would hope that works perfectly being so big compared to the normal 8mb haha.
[09:02] <bumperland> Razor-X ... any ideas
[09:03] <Razor-X> bumperland: hmmm
[09:03] <EvanCarroll> I make my own radeon drivers they function better than ATI's just type 'dd if=/dev/urandom of=fglrx.ko count=15 bs=1MB'
[09:03] <Razor-X> bumperland: revert back to the old sources.list
[09:03] <demantik> EvanCarroll...huh?
[09:03] <bumperland> will try
[09:04] <crimsun> EvanCarroll: may as well do that for nvidia.ko, too
[09:04] <HappyFool> cerebellum: at a guess you need some sort of development package. maybe libglib1.2-dev (that's a guess though...)
[09:04] <EvanCarroll> hrm i'm pretty happy with nvidia drivers they work
[09:04] <dabishop> has anyone had luck installing Hoary on an iMac G5?
[09:04] <demantik> EvanCarroll - ure not serious right?
[09:04] <Razor-X> ugghhhh... my sister pooped
[09:04] <Razor-X> and my mom's out -_-
[09:04] <HappyFool> i don't think ubuntu has a package for that ;)
[09:04] <Razor-X> and she insists on sitting in my lap
[09:05] <EvanCarroll> demantik: about what nvidia drivers?
[09:05] <demantik> no, about the radeon comment lol
[09:05] <Razor-X> HappyFool: apt-get sister-cleaner <- future of apt-get
[09:05] <demantik> EvanCarroll...im no expert, but that doesnt look right.
[09:05] <Xappe> Razor-X: sudo apt-change diper
[09:05] <EvanCarroll> demantik: no I'm being serious why download a random set of bytes from ATI that doesn't work when you can generate your own in half the time
[09:06] <Razor-X> Xappe: ;)
[09:06] <demantik> So, that command does what exactly?
[09:06] <EvanCarroll> demantik: try it
[09:07] <fonsken> which version of the kernel is available in ubuntu right now?
[09:07] <demantik> uh...ok..it made a .ko file
[09:07] <hellraiser_rob> evening all
[09:08] <demantik> fglrx.ko...hmm..now what.
[09:08] <etnekor> demantik: It's just a joke.
[09:08] <Razor-X> good thing I have cplay
[09:08] <HappyFool> fonsken: 2.6.10 is hoary
[09:08] <demantik> thanks...
[09:08] <demantik> :|
[09:08] <fonsken> thx HappyFool
[09:08] <Razor-X> now my sister's listening to "Ready Steady Go" ;)
[09:08] <hellraiser_rob> anyone got realplayer working correctly?
[09:08] <etnekor> dematik: It fills with random data this file.
[09:09] <demantik> as thought
[09:09] <demantik> etnekor - yeah...looked as it did..but i did it anyway...not sure why
[09:09] <demantik> haa
[09:09] <etnekor> :)
[09:09] <demantik> So has anybody tried the new ATI .run ?
[09:10] <EvanCarroll> demantik: now just move that into your modules directory
[09:10] <Azmodan> I want to share 300 mb of pictures with people who were traveling with me.  What's the easiest way to do it ?
[09:10] <EvanCarroll> and you successfully made a non-functioning fglrx driver
[09:10] <demantik> EvanCarroll - fuck off
[09:10] <EvanCarroll> I saved you alot of time
[09:10] <r0bby> somebody for the love of god put something about pastebin in the topic
[09:10] <HappyFool> r0bby: you seem to be under the illusion that people read the topic
[09:11] <demantik> EvanCarrol - saving time?...why are you so anti-ati
[09:11] <r0bby> cerebellum, that tells you what you need to know
[09:11] <r0bby> install glib
[09:11] <marsh> back again - am i correct in assuming that there is no way to do the equivelent of an 'apt-cache search' in aptitude? it only seems to search the selected package text... that right?
[09:11] <r0bby> read it over again
[09:12] <EvanCarroll> demantik: because ati drivers rarely work with binary kernels, almost never work with custom kernels, and using the term work at all in that context is probably misleading
[09:12] <HappyFool> marsh: apt-cache is what you use for searching. use aptitude for installing/removing
[09:12] <demantik> EvanCarroll - ive never had too much problems
[09:12] <Rockett17> neither have I
[09:13] <EvanCarroll> demantik: then stay with ATI just become good friends with the patch hackers at firegl
[09:13] <Howitzer> I really am starting to love Linux
[09:13] <demantik> EvanCarroll - what ? lol....i dont know what you're doing wrong, but it doesnt concern me..
[09:14] <Howitzer> i barely miss Windows
[09:14] <Howitzer> i would like to be able to play more games though :(
[09:14] <Thorrn4> hello! Recently not computer has been running slow...I was told that it was due to the kernel, how do I reload a new kernel?
[09:14] <Rockett17> I work with Windows all day at work.. so going home to Linux is a breath of fresh air
[09:14] <Thorrn4> Howitzer, more games would be nice
[09:14] <Howitzer> indeed
[09:15] <Howitzer> lol Rockett17
[09:15] <Howitzer> +
[09:15] <HappyFool> marsh: fwiw i've just used id3v2 to list an mp3 with an album title of more than 15 chars ('sleeping with ghosts')
[09:15] <Howitzer> if i would be able to get this sound running.................. :/
[09:15] <HappyFool> marsh: it seems to be pretty straightforward
[09:15] <smoky_> ok, i try it again:
[09:15] <Thorrn4> does anyone know how 2 reload a linux kernel?
[09:16] <hardcampa-1> Throrrn4 reboot
[09:16] <HappyFool> Thorrn4: in what way is your computer slow?
[09:16] <smoky_> is here anyone with a good knowledge of hardware-calls (acpi, bios, ...)
[09:16] <smoky_> from linux
[09:17] <xoz> Thorrn4: modprobe ?
[09:17] <nilisco> Apt-get update freezes on us.archive.ubuntu.com.   I figure that if I'm in X as root, everything better be hosed and only twm works
[09:34] <EvanCarroll> hondje: and i edit text files with sed
[09:34] <nobile> brb reboot
[09:34] <IIIEars> ckserv IDENTIFY 11anything
[09:34] <Razor-X> EvanCarroll: mmm, I prefer IRC with telnet ;)
[09:34] <randabis> blah
[09:34] <crimsun> just use netcat
[09:35] <thenuke> Razor-X: is not telnet a bit out dated?
[09:35] <heavy> apprently hondje lives in 1983
[09:35] <EvanCarroll> and gmacs previous next commands to resize frames, wtf were the ratpoison guys thinking to resize 4 frames you will get carpal tunnel 6 times over
[09:35] <Razor-X> hondje: you handle your own PINGs and PONGs?
[09:35] <hondje> I'm thinking so :)
[09:35] <thenuke> :) there really should not be any reasons not to use ssh instead of telnet+
[09:35] <thenuke> ?
[09:35] <hondje> With paddles
[09:35] <thenuke> :D
[09:35] <hondje> thenuke: yes, for talkers, muds and moos
[09:35] <Razor-X> well, if you have the paitence to do that, go ahead
[09:36] <Razor-X> *shrugs*
[09:36] <thenuke> hondje: what's moos :)
[09:36] <thenuke> multi oozers ongeon
[09:36] <HappyFool> MMORPG from way back when
[09:36] <Razor-X> and the fact that you can't stay more than 2 minutes of the physical machine
[09:36] <hondje> thenuke: kinda like muds, but more oriented towards conversation I guess
[09:36] <djm62> sod telnet, just lick the network cable and taste the chat ;)
[09:36] <hondje> mmm, tastes like burning
[09:36] <thenuke> hondje: ookey
[09:37] <IIIEars> nw pass - lol
[09:37] <sladen> phone cable is better.  Nothing compares to the thrill of -48V when it rings
[09:37] <Rockett17> telnet is highly insecure and unencrypted.. ssh is encrpyted
[09:37] <HappyFool> that's what they *want* you to think
[09:37] <EvanCarroll> Rockett17: sshv2 is encrypted
[09:38] <IIIEars> telnet? - "oldtimer" - grin
[09:38] <Rockett17> i'd never sit here telnetted over the internet to my machine
[09:38] <hondje> well, you can use telnet w/ ssl
[09:38] <djm62> MITM is always possible, and encryption is rarely the weak link in security
[09:38] <hondje> it's popular in corps
[09:38] <Rockett17> i'm always ssh'd :)
[09:38] <djm62> but ssh is muy cool, especially for X forwarding :)
[09:38] <bkinman> Heh. http isnt encrypted either yet you submit forms all over the place i would bet... Some people are just security nuts.
[09:39] <hondje> telnet w/ ssl has lower overhead, so its popular when you have 500+ users authenticating at once
[09:39] <djm62> hondje: what do you think of dropbear?
[09:39] <Ng> bkinman: https :)
[09:39] <hondje> djm62: I don't know dropbear
[09:39] <IIIEars> Hello Hondje
[09:39] <djm62> I run dropbear on my ipaq (it's a lightweight (presumably) ssh server)
[09:39] <hondje> Hey, IIIEars
[09:40] <djm62> I just apt-got it, don't know tons about it
[09:40] <bkinman> Ng, Yeah, https is not used though
[09:40] <Ng> djm62: ever run openssh on the ipaq? ;)
[09:40] <Trixsey> Hey!
[09:40] <TokenBad> I have a question on cedega and normal drivers for video
[09:40] <Turoq> then ask
[09:41] <Ng> bkinman: I manage to buy plenty of stuff online with https ;)
[09:41] <IIIEars> ubotu ubuntu
[09:41] <ubotu> IIIEars: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[09:41] <djm62> Ng: I did for a while...
[09:41] <IIIEars> ubotu guide
[09:41] <TokenBad> I have a the fx5700le 256meg video card..
[09:41] <ubotu> IIIEars: Are you smoking crack?
[09:41] <djm62> it's a few years old too....
[09:41] <TokenBad> and when I tried to use cedega
[09:41] <Ng> djm62: I always loved how speedy that wasn't ;)
[09:41] <Ng> djm62: I had a 3600 ;)
[09:41] <TokenBad> it ran MAJOR slow on just mvp 2005
[09:41] <IIIEars> ubotu EFF
[09:41] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, IIIEars
[09:41] <djm62> hah! 3835
[09:41] <TokenBad> should i install drivers from my drivers disk for the card?
[09:42] <Trixsey> I get this error when I install Valknut (DCGUI) Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
[09:42] <IIIEars> ubotu amenesia is what you have
[09:42] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars
[09:42] <TokenBad> even on a nix systems?
[09:42] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: ubotu's database is corrupted, apparently
[09:42] <hondje> djm62: from what I understand, the problem with ssh is the actual authentication being computationally expensive, I don't know how much a lighter server would help, though that dropbear is getting bookmarked
[09:42] <djm62> but the 3835 was substantially better than my computer at the time, so I didn't notice the speed hit too much
[09:43] <HappyFool> TokenBad: have you installed the nvidia drivers ?