[22:44] <dmj_s76> davmor2: Do you know of any progress on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1622686 ?


[16:50] <sam__> السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
[16:51] <sam__> Is there anyone please ?
[16:51] <sam__> Hi
[16:51] <sam__> I would like to ask some questions


[02:01] <bkerensa> tgm4883: hmm so I am reading the feedback from the release party
[02:01] <bkerensa> its been interesting
[02:01] <bkerensa> "The focus on technical discussion made it boring for family members, and maybe for some other less technical users. In the future it would be nice to keep presentations to the end (after socialization/food)."
[02:02] <bkerensa> tgm4883: would you agree ^
[03:44] <bkerensa> hi kpullen
[04:44] <tgm4883> bkerensa, I suppose
[04:45] <tgm4883> I didn't think people would bring people not interested in Ubuntu
[04:45] <tgm4883> and I really didn't think my discussion was technical
[08:19] <bkerensa> slangasek: I reported the issue with the webapps dialog not being very clear as to what a webapp is and how it benefits users or "you"
[08:19] <bkerensa> https://bugs.launchpad.net/webapps-applications/+bug/1070222
[08:20] <bkerensa> tgm4883: yeah idk
[08:20] <bkerensa> *shrugs*
[15:12] <tgm4883> bkerensa, I'd still like to have some time after the presentations, so I think first hour food+socializing, 2nd hour presentations, 3rd hour ?, 4th hour profit
[15:55] <slangasek> bkerensa: thanks.  fwiw my concern was not about webapps generally, but that it's completely undiscoverable what integration any particular webapp is going to provide me
[20:42] <bkerensa> I feel like a file shepard
[20:42] <bkerensa> ;p
[20:42] <bkerensa> ftp going with a dozens directories all being replaced with clean files
[20:42] <bkerensa> >.<
[20:42] <bkero> arr-sink
[20:44] <bkerensa> bkero: it sucks man cleaning 23 infected wordpress sites as quickly as possible :P
[20:44] <bkerensa> then auditing plugins
[20:45] <bkerensa> :(
[21:18] <bkerensa> slangasek: with grep -rl 'foo' ./ | xargs sed -i 's/foo/linux/g'
[21:18] <bkerensa> can linux be nothing?
[21:18] <bkerensa> can sed change a string with something to nothing at all
[21:19] <slangasek> yes
[21:19] <bkerensa> slangasek: would it be the same command just sans the "linux" so  grep -rl 'foo' ./ | xargs sed -i 's/foo//g'
[21:19] <bkerensa> or what do I put?
[21:20] <slangasek> that's correct


[12:29] <williammanda> help!!!
[12:30] <superm1> williammanda, did you break something?
[12:31] <williammanda> my xorg.0.log.....unble to load  "xf86ExecX86int10
[12:31] <williammanda> i get this error toward the end of the xorg.....
[12:31] <williammanda> trying to get the svideo working
[12:31] <williammanda> what is this file?
[12:32] <superm1> cant say i've ever heard of it
[12:32] <williammanda> if it would load...i think it would work
[12:32] <superm1> could you paste your Xorg.0.log in a pastebin website?
[12:32] <superm1> so i can see the rest
[12:32] <williammanda> hold on
[12:39] <williammanda> http://pastebin.ca/466331
[12:39] <williammanda> sorry had to reload the "good" xorg
[12:40] <williammanda> i have been working on this for about 7 hours today...
[12:40] <superm1> man!
[12:40] <superm1> wow
[12:40] <williammanda> been following several guides
[12:40] <superm1> are you attempting a clone mode?
[12:40] <williammanda> on tseloit now
[12:40] <superm1> or what is your end goal?
[12:41] <superm1> just tv-out?
[12:41] <williammanda> well...it looks like one of two ways...
[12:41] <williammanda> cloning or 2 separate screens
[12:41] <williammanda> i can't get either going
[12:42] <superm1> well this is the trouble
[12:42] <superm1> #
[12:42] <superm1> (II) NVIDIA(0): Setting mode "1024x768"
[12:42] <superm1> #
[12:42] <superm1> (EE) NVIDIA(0): The requested configuration of display devices is not
[12:42] <superm1> #
[12:42] <superm1> (EE) NVIDIA(0):     supported in the hardware.
[12:42] <superm1> more so then that xf86ExecX86int10 i think
[12:42] <superm1> if you are trying to do clone resolutions, both tv and monitor need to support that resolution
[12:43] <williammanda> hummm
[12:43] <superm1> so do them as seperate
[12:43] <superm1> or better yet
[12:43] <superm1> twinview
[12:44] <williammanda> twinview works with 6200 le?
[12:44] <williammanda> nvidia
[12:45] <williammanda> i follwed this for twinview...
[12:45] <williammanda> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaTVOut
[12:46] <superm1> and thats what you have?
[12:46] <superm1> right now
[12:46] <williammanda> yes
[12:46] <superm1> well that is weird.
[12:46] <williammanda> nvidia 6200 le
[12:47] <superm1> there is no reason it shouldnt support twinview
[12:47] <superm1> is that similar to what it spit out from nvidia-settings?
[12:47] <williammanda> i'll reload the twinview xorg file and post the log
[12:59] <williammanda> humm...something intresting just happened....
[01:00] <williammanda> my lcd monitor was blank...
[01:00] <williammanda> so I decided to try the tv
[01:00] <williammanda> i switched the channels around and I have the desktop on the tv
[01:00] <superm1> haha
[01:00] <superm1> there you go
[01:01] <williammanda> but not on the monitor
[01:01] <superm1> so the two are switched?
[01:01] <williammanda> si that the way it is supposed to be?
[01:01] <superm1> open up nvidia-settings
[01:01] <superm1> and you can switch the one that is primary i think
[01:01] <williammanda> yes switched
[02:10] <tgm4883> is there something good to read on the file structure of linux?
[02:11] <rogue780|laptop> argh! does anyone know about openchrome? the picture is all distorted on the tv. just black and white, and garbled like HBO
[02:13] <superm1> sorry rogue780|laptop , no :(
[02:14] <rogue780|laptop> well I'm gonna find out, then I'm going to put all my unichrome stuff that I learned in the wiki
[02:14] <superm1> awesome :)
[02:14] <superm1> thats what i like to hear
[02:15] <superm1> tgm4883, wikipedia i'd bet
[02:17] <superm1> bendailey, imbrandon stopped in and said things are going to be moving along smoothly with the domain :)
[02:17] <superm1> good to hear
[02:19] <tgm4883> thanks superm1, just checked it out, not really what im looking for.  Ill just use google and hope i get something relevent
[02:20] <superm1> what are you looking to find out about file structures exactly?
[02:26] <rogue780|laptop> success!
[02:27] <superm1> that was quick rogue780|laptop
[02:27] <superm1> :)
[02:27] <tgm4883> i really just want to know what things are for, for instance, why is bin named bin?  why etc, why opt, sbin
[02:27] <tgm4883> that sort of thing
[02:28] <tgm4883> interesting that ive been using linux this long and have no idea what those are
[02:28] <rogue780|laptop> etc stands for "Extra Tool Chest" so i'm told
[02:28] <rogue780|laptop> bin I think is called that because it is where the actual binary programs are kept
[02:28] <rogue780|laptop> the rest is a mystery
[02:28] <superm1> and lib is where libraries are kept
[02:28] <rogue780|laptop> to me anyway
[02:28] <rogue780|laptop> see there ya go
[02:29] <rogue780|laptop> home is ...well no need to explain that
[02:30] <tgm4883> ok, so if i wanted to mount a nfs share for multiple users, where would i mount it?
[02:30] <superm1> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard
[02:30] <rogue780|laptop> what would take to put built in unichrome support into mythbuntu?
[02:31] <superm1> tgm4883, /mnt typically
[02:31] <tgm4883> thanks superm1, i looked all over for that, although i was searching for things like "unified filesystem" and "linux filesystem"
[02:31] <superm1> but that depends on its purpose really
[02:31] <superm1> rogue780|laptop, what was involved with getting unichrome going?
[02:32] <superm1> ex if you are mounting an area for temp space, it wouldnt make sense to mount it in /mnt
[02:33] <rogue780|laptop> well I just had to follow the tutorial on the ubuntu site about openchrome mostly....but then I had to find some random setting for xorg. that was the hard part, which is why I'm putting that on the wiki
[02:34] <superm1> after first release (and hence we have a lot of the installer stuff sorted out), it should be feasible
[02:34] <tgm4883> mp3's, movies, user documents, pictures, CD's, misc files
[02:34] <rogue780|laptop> I just downloaded the file from svn, autoconf'd it, make, make install...etc
[02:34] <superm1> why isnt the driver in feisty?
[02:34] <superm1> more importantly will it be in gutsy
[02:34] <superm1> tgm4883, like a home folder?
[02:34] <superm1> like several home folders
[02:35] <rogue780|laptop> that's what I want to know. it's a free open source driver....probably just because openchrome isn't overly popular
[02:35] <rogue780|laptop> except for us people who build our mythfrontends in old NES cases and need a small motherboard and are stuck with via/unichrome
[02:36] <superm1> i'll add it to my todo list
[02:36] <tgm4883> sorta, the only thing user independent would be the user documents, the rest (CD's are all my ripped software, movies are all my ripped dvd's, mp3's , misc files are files everyone needs access too).  Although currently it is temp mounted in my home folder for testing
[02:37] <superm1> it would most likely make sense to mount in /mnt i think
[02:37] <superm1> for that purpose
[02:38] <tgm4883> ok, i was thinking that or either /usr/share
[02:38] <superm1> not /usr/share
[02:38] <superm1> thats not a good idea
[02:38] <rogue780|laptop> now to set up lirc
[02:38] <superm1> some apps use that for other things
[02:38] <tgm4883> ah ok
[02:43] <tgm4883> is there a way to test throughput over a network connection?
[02:43] <tgm4883> i think my nic is acting up on my server
[02:43] <superm1> iperf
[02:44] <tgm4883> sweet thanks
[02:46] <tgm4883> hmm, looks fine to me
[02:47] <superm1> you can tweak quite a bit with that app
[02:48] <tgm4883> im thinking i need an extended test, as it seems to stall when transfering large files, then continues
[02:48] <tgm4883> its a good app though
[02:49] <superm1> scp or nfs stall?
[02:50] <tgm4883> nfs, and its just for a few seconds, then keeps going.  Also, ssh takes a few seconds to return the password prompt
[02:50] <tgm4883> longer than on my mythtv box anyway
[02:50] <superm1> hm
[02:51] <tgm4883> (although the mythtv box is a much more powerful computer i would think that my server is adaquit)
[02:51] <tgm4883> the only thing im thinking is a gigabyte nic problem
[02:52] <tgm4883> my gigabyte switch went out so im only hooked up to a 100mb switch, heard bad things about that and auto-negotiation
[02:53] <superm1> cant comment much there myself
[02:56] <rogue780|laptop> my myth server is a 2.0ghz athlon XP with a gig-o-ram and a 350GB hd
[02:56] <rogue780|laptop> it works nice
[02:59] <rogue780|laptop> is there a way to adjust the scan of the actual tuner? my situation is this, when it records a show there is about an 8-12 pixel vertical black bar on the left of the screen. it's in the actual movie file, not just a display issue.
[03:00] <superm1> not afaik.
[03:01] <rogue780|laptop> afaik?
[03:02] <superm1> as far as i know
[03:03] <tgm4883> lol, rogue|laptop, my server is a athlon XP 2000+ with 768 ram and about 700Gb space
[03:04] <tgm4883> pretty similar
[03:04] <rogue780|laptop> my myth server is also my print server, itunes server, file server (samba and nfs), soon to be mail and web server
[03:04] <rogue780|laptop> I just love ubuntu
[03:05] <tgm4883> mine just does file serving right now (printer has built in print server, doesn't work well under ubuntu though)
[03:05] <tgm4883> hopefully soon it will also be a backend slave for mythtv
[03:05] <rogue780|laptop> anyway, my server used to be my windows gaming machine...but the games outpaced it
[03:05] <tgm4883> mine too
[03:06] <tgm4883> its like were the same person
[03:06] <rogue780|laptop> so I made it a mythbox...my second and final attempt before I ditched the effort...and it worked
[03:06] <rogue780|laptop> indeed ;)
[03:06] <tgm4883> now what is an itunes server?  just serves other computers your music files or does it do more?
[03:08] <rogue780|laptop> well I have my windows computer, my linux desktop, and my dualbootin' rootin' tootin' windows/ubuntu laptop (I only use the windows side for studying the PFE with PFE gold, and itunes)
[03:09] <rogue780|laptop> and I might want to sync my ipod with any of those computers, or just listen to my music library from any of those computers
[03:10] <rogue780|laptop> so I have my entire (about 15GB) itunes library hosted on my server, and I point itunes to a mapped drive that gives me access to my itunes library from any computer
[03:11] <tgm4883> nice
[03:13] <rogue780|laptop> don't you just *love* it when you think you paid a $700 bill, but the check got lost in the mail, and you spent the money that was supposed to go to the company?
[03:13] <rogue780|laptop> I sure do
[03:13] <rogue780|laptop> NOT
[03:38] <rogue780|laptop> argh. irw is giving me a connection refused error
[03:39] <rogue780|laptop> lirc hates me and always has
[05:45] <williammanda> .
[05:46] <superm1> sort out the tv-out mess williammanda ?
[08:43] <Daviey> did somebody ping me?
[03:42] <bendailey> Anyone have a minute for a newbie mythtv question?
[04:15] <tgm4883_laptop> unless its real quick im leaving for class and will be back in about 3 hours
[04:17] <bendailey> thanks I think I am gong to try some more testing
[04:43] <tgm4883_laptop> class canceled, if you still need help bendailey
[04:43] <bendailey> glad you class was cancelled
[04:43] <tgm4883_laptop> that makes 2 of us
[04:44] <bendailey> my question was about recording size on a defuault mythtv install
[04:44] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[04:44] <tgm4883> like how big the file sizes are?
[04:45] <bendailey> yeah in about 30 Minutes the recording grew to over 6G
[04:45] <tgm4883> hmm
[04:45] <tgm4883> that seems two large, let me check mine
[04:46] <tgm4883> HD or SD?
[04:46] <bendailey> OTA SD on a  Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 with no hw mpeg encoder
[04:47] <tgm4883> oh
[04:47] <tgm4883> hmm
[04:47] <tgm4883> thats way too large
[04:47] <bendailey> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Recording_Parameters that is what I thought
[04:47] <tgm4883> my 1 hour HD recordings are only around 6.6Gb
[04:48] <bendailey> Are you using MPEG4 or RTJPEG?
[04:48] <bendailey> or something else?
[04:48] <tgm4883> well the HD recordings are already compressed
[04:48] <tgm4883> they stream in mpeg2
[04:48] <bendailey> right so you not transcoding them on the fly just dumping them to disk right?
[04:49] <tgm4883> yea, no need for encoding
[04:49] <tgm4883> although im not sure what happens to my SD now that I think about it
[04:49] <tgm4883> i capture it over firewire
[04:50] <bendailey> Once I get some cash scraped I plan on getting a kworld atsc-110 to get atsc streams which will be mpeg
[04:50] <bendailey> mpeg* mpeg2
[04:50] <bendailey> SD & HD over firewire?
[04:50] <tgm4883> yea from my STB
[04:51] <bendailey> so your STB is dumping you an mpeg2 stream either way
[04:51] <tgm4883> my SD recordings are only about 1.2Gb for 30 minutes
[04:51] <tgm4883> thats what i figured
[04:52] <bendailey> gtg work calling
[04:52] <bendailey> thanks for the input
[04:52] <tgm4883> np, wish i could help more
[09:38] <Andyman53> Hey all
[10:46] <tgm4883_laptop> hey andyman53
[10:46] <Andyman53> hey
[10:46] <Andyman53> i can't seem to get myth tv to work with my tv card
[10:46] <Andyman53> i have a hauppague pvr-150
[10:47] <tgm4883_laptop> what version ubuntu?
[10:47] <Andyman53> the guide shows up empty too, except if i search by show, and neither allow recording
[10:47] <Andyman53> i don't know
[10:47] <tgm4883_laptop> is this a backend/frontend/desktop?
[10:48] <Andyman53> frontend
[10:48] <Andyman53> it's a whole setup
[10:49] <Andyman53> frontend and backend
[10:49] <tgm4883_laptop> ok, so a combined frontend/backend, can you get to a command prompt
[10:50] <Andyman53> yeah
[10:51] <tgm4883_laptop> ok, do "cat /etc/issue"
[10:51] <tgm4883_laptop> and post the output
[10:51] <Andyman53> someone set this up for me
[10:52] <Andyman53> looks like they're running fedora 6
[10:52] <Andyman53> changed the background :(
[10:52] <tgm4883_laptop> so you have fedora 6?
[10:52] <Andyman53> yeah
[10:52] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm, cant help you much there as im not familiar with that
[10:53] <Andyman53> i see
[10:53] <Andyman53> alright then
[10:53] <Andyman53> bye
[10:53] <tgm4883_laptop> although
[10:53] <tgm4883_laptop> well that was quick
[10:53] <tgm4883_laptop> didn't even get to suggest feisty
[11:07] <rogue780|laptop> lol
[11:08] <rogue780|laptop> coulda at least directed to the myth(TV)ology page
[11:09] <rogue780|laptop> ok I've got lirc issues again
[11:13] <rogue780|laptop> I keep getting this error(sorry for the flood):
[11:13] <rogue780|laptop> #####################################################
[11:13] <rogue780|laptop> ## I couldn't load the required kernel modules     ##
[11:13] <rogue780|laptop> ## You should install lirc-modules-source to build ##
[11:13] <rogue780|laptop> ## kernel support for your hardware.               ##
[11:13] <rogue780|laptop> #####################################################
[11:13] <rogue780|laptop> ## If this message is not appropriate you may set  ##
[11:13] <rogue780|laptop> ## LOAD_MODULES=false in /etc/lirc/hardware.conf   ##
[11:13] <rogue780|laptop> #####################################################
[11:29] <rogue780|laptop> here is what I'm doing (IAW the wiki)
[11:30] <rogue780|laptop> shawn@NESPC:~$ irw
[11:30] <rogue780|laptop> connect: Connection refused
[11:30] <rogue780|laptop> shawn@NESPC:~$ mode2
[11:30] <rogue780|laptop> mode2: error opening /dev/lirc
[11:30] <rogue780|laptop> mode2: Permission denied
[11:30] <rogue780|laptop> shawn@NESPC:~$ sudo mode2
[11:30] <rogue780|laptop> Password:
[11:30] <rogue780|laptop> mode2: error opening /dev/lirc
[11:30] <rogue780|laptop> mode2: No such device
[11:30] <rogue780|laptop> shawn@NESPC:~$ ls /dev | grep lirc
[11:30] <rogue780|laptop> lirc
[11:30] <rogue780|laptop> lircd
[11:30] <rogue780|laptop> lircm
[11:30] <rogue780|laptop> shawn@NESPC:~$
[11:34] <rogue780|laptop> ok now if I do "modprobe lirc_serial" irw doesn't work, but mode2 does
[11:34] <Daviey> ewww lirc
[11:50] <rogue780|laptop> so now that I modprobed the lirc_serial module it how do I make it stay working?
[11:57] <Daviey> rogue780|laptop, i found this guide to be excellent
[11:57] <Daviey> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Feisty
[12:00] <rogue780|laptop> that's the one I've been using
[12:00] <rogue780|laptop> I think I may have figured it out...i dunno. I'll have to restart myth and lirc
[12:01] <rogue780|laptop> it's this silly serial receiver that is kinda quirky
[12:03] <william_> what is the script that auto start mythbackend?
[12:06] <Daviey>  /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend ?
[12:07] <william_> ty
[12:13] <william_> if i wanted to start a program on boot up...how could I do that?
[12:14] <Daviey> the ubuntu packages should do that for you automatically
[12:14] <Daviey> (or is this non-mythtv)?
[12:15] <william_> yes non myth
[12:15] <Daviey> okay.. what stage do you want it executed?
[12:15] <Daviey> (with gnome) or before?
[12:15] <william_> ? have no idea
[12:16] <william_> i'm using both gnome and kde
[12:19] <Daviey> then you probably need to add it as a runlevel daemon
[12:19] <Daviey> what is the app?
[12:24] <william_> not sure...just trying to understand what I need to do if I want to auto load something at bootup
[12:25] <Daviey> william_, okay.. you have various 'run levels'
[12:26] <Daviey> see them: http://www.help2go.com/Tutorials/Linux%10UNIX/Linux_Runlevels.html
[12:27] <Daviey> you have /etc/rc0.d   - to -- /etc/rc6.d
[12:27] <Daviey> these are the different runlevels
[12:27] <Daviey> but first you need to make a startup/stop script to drop into /etc/init.d/
[12:28] <Daviey> there is an example in there IIRC
[12:28] <william_> ty


[00:03] <spm> wgrant: awesome. will do what I can.
[00:10] <james_w> lifeless: plus, hiccup with test discovery, discover on 'foo' that finds 'foo.test_foo' will load it as 'test_foo', so that becomes the root of the test id, and then that can't be run by subunit.run.
[00:10] <james_w> lifeless: I think that's a bug in discover, but I'd like your opinion.
[00:14] <spm> "<Fault 8002: 'error'>" <== this is not the error message you're looking for....
[00:15] <spm> wgrant: just set 'actinium' back to ok, see if that sorts itself; if it does, I'll do the rest
[00:15] <wgrant> spm: Great, thanks.
[00:16] <wgrant> Some of the others were out with 'No route to host', which suggests a network glitch of some kind, which could also have caused the 'error's, I guess.
[00:16] <wgrant> Although the fact that it was all i386 hints that it might have been a rogue recipe build -- I guess we'll see soon.
[00:17] <spm> heh
[00:18] <james_w> lifeless: ah, it works if you use "." rather than "foo" as the discovery root. I don't think that's ideal, but I can see that discover may want to act the way it does so that you can discover on a root of ../../../somewhere if you want. I'd be happy to chat about this tomorrow if you like.
[00:19] <spm> wgrant: nope. looks more serious. it's dropped straight back into "I'm broken" state.
[00:20] <wgrant> spm: Argh, anything more useful in the b-m log than good ol' fault 8002?
[00:21] <spm> wgrant: you want me to look in logs for meaning vs just making something up!!?!?! good lord man, it's too early on a monday morning for that level of competence!
[00:26] <spm> bleh. that seems... unusual.
[02:15] <lifeless> james_w: its a python limitation I suspect
[02:15] <lifeless> james_w: it can't tell, due to the flexability of importing, where in the python namespace '.' is; it may need a second parameter to say 'here is the root', which may not be built in.
[02:15] <lifeless> james_w: so I think discover can be improved
[08:20] <adeuring> good morning
[08:21] <wgrant> noodles775: Morning.
[08:23] <noodles775> Hi wgrant and adeuring
[08:23] <adeuring> hi noodles775!
[08:23] <wgrant> noodles775: Are you going to have time to arrange a CP of the log parser branch?
[08:24] <noodles775> wgrant: We need to QA it first, but yes, it should happen soon. I'm currently organising the CP for the builders timeout (edge is now working with the fix).
[08:24] <wgrant> noodles775: Yep, I noticed edge was looking good.
[08:25] <wgrant> (well, apart from the i386 builders, but that's hopefully unrelated)
[08:27] <noodles775> wgrant: yeah, has there been any discussion there? I just tried enabling actinium, but it went straight back to Fault 8002. I'll check the logs.
[08:29] <spm> noodles775: https://pastebin.canonical.com/33033/
[08:29] <spm> I tried exactly the same earlier today
[08:29] <wgrant> Yeah, I was wondering what was in the logs.
[08:30] <wgrant> Given that it's only i386, I'm suspicious that a recipe build may have snuck through.
[08:30] <noodles775> Last mention of actinium seems fine: 2010-06-07 07:44:58+0100 [-] Processing successful build amd64 build of kwin-effect-bereflected 0.1~lucid~ppa1 in ubuntu lucid RELEASE from builder protactin
[08:30] <noodles775> quite recent.
[08:30] <wgrant> protactin != actinium?
[08:30] <wgrant> Hm.
[08:30] <spm> heh, that caught me out as well :-)
[08:31] <noodles775> right, I just search backwards...
[08:31] <wgrant> protactin doesn't exist.
[08:31] <noodles775> and cut the line while copying...
[08:31] <wgrant> Ah.
[08:32] <wgrant> So what about actinium?
[08:32] <wgrant> And who could possibly have thought that having those two names was a good idea? :P
[08:32] <noodles775> heh
[08:34] <noodles775> wgrant: just the traceback that spm posted... ah, I'll post it on the public one.
[08:35] <noodles775> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/445954/
[08:36] <wgrant> Oh, useful...
[08:36] <wgrant> I guess that firing the rest trigger will fix them, but it might be nice to grab logs first if possible...
[08:36] <wgrant> s/rest/reset/
[08:36] <kb9vqf> I'm looking at setting up a local copy of Launchpad for a project I'm working on, but am having trouble getting Launchpad to accept a different OpenID URL than the default
[08:37] <wgrant> Ohhhhhhh, rescueIfLost.
[08:37] <wgrant> So it was a network glitch.
[08:37] <kb9vqf> How can I set a custom OpenID URL?  Something in launchpad-lazr.conf?  Is there any documentation for that file?
[08:38] <wgrant> spm, noodles775: So, we have a whole lot of builders that need resetting. Is that easy enough?
[08:39] <noodles775> Is that something you can do spm? lamont normally does it afaik.
[08:39] <spm> noodles775: no unf, only lamont or one of the gsa's. and it's a NZ holiday, so paul hasn't been around.
[08:39] <wgrant> (Basically, the builders dropped of the network for a while. The master noticed, and unassigned their builds. They came back, and the master noticed they were doing something they shouldn't be doing. The master tried to abort the builds. Aborting them is known to be... um.... buggy).
[08:39] <spm> ha
[08:40] <wgrant> Just the slaves need to be reset -- the thing that's done before every build.
[09:18] <bigjools> morning all
[09:21] <wgrant> Evening bigjools.
[13:29] <maxb> jelmer: Hi, about that fretsonfire vcs-import. Should we be complaining that the import of the upstream fretsonfire project was requested into the LP fretsonfire-severedfifth namespace instead of the LP fretsonfire namespace?
[13:36] <jelmer> maxb: yeah, we probably should
[13:37] <jelmer> maxb: I don't think we're able to change the project of a branch though
[13:37] <jelmer> maxb: also, this wouldn't be a problem if URLs didn't have to be unique..
[13:37] <maxb> Well, even if not that, it's a minor waste of resources to be importing the same branch twice
[13:41] <maxb> I guess we have the option of deleting the branch and requesting a replacement import of our own
[13:43] <wgrant> jelmer, maxb: You can change the product through the API.
[13:58] <jelmer> wgrant: not when you don't have permission to do so I hope?
[14:01] <wgrant> jelmer: Heh, no.
[14:04] <mwhudson> ~vcs-imports has edit on all import branches though
[14:05] <wgrant> bigjools: Ugh, that log parser issue is in the apachelog contrib module.
[14:06] <bigjools> yeah noodles775 just noticed that too
[14:06] <wgrant> It looks likt it might not be a real issue.
[14:06] <wgrant> Since it's trying to parse from somewhere other than the start of the line.
[14:07] <wgrant> So... either the exisitng offsets in the DB confused it, or something put bad offsets there.
[14:07] <wgrant> You've not changed the log file content at all?>
[14:08] <noodles775> But those lines are passed in by our code (specifically: next_line = fd.next())... so it could be a bad offset... that's a good point.
[14:08] <wgrant> If two have the same first line, the world will end like this.
[14:09] <bigjools> it should be smarter about offsets and seek to the nearest \n
[14:09] <wgrant> Well, it should probably actually complain if there isn't a \n right there.
[14:09] <wgrant> Since we want to know if something has gone wrong.
[14:49] <mars> gary_poster, here is an in-depth summary of the issue and outstanding questions for bug 587886
[14:49] <mup> Bug #587886: ec2 test mail reports SUCCESS when the suite fails <build-infrastructure> <Launchpad Foundations:In Progress by mars> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/587886>
[14:49] <mars> gary_poster, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-foundations/+bug/587886/comments/3
[14:49] <mup> Bug #587886: ec2 test mail reports SUCCESS when the suite fails <build-infrastructure> <Launchpad Foundations:In Progress by mars> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/587886>
[14:49] <gary_poster> reading, thanks
[14:52] <gary_poster> mars, looks like shakeout from the subunit integration
[14:52] <mars> yep
[14:53] <mars> like I said, we need to address the root cause here after the fix goes through.  Otherwise changing the testrunner is always going to be risky and painful.
[14:54] <gary_poster> mars..isn't the root cause the fact that we have inter-process communication, which is by its nature more fragile for this sort of thing?
[14:54] <gary_poster> (and I don't see fixing that particular root cause)
[14:54] <mars> gary_poster, yes, but the testrunner claims to have error handling mechanisms in place.  Also, it has no concept of a child layer timeout.
[14:55] <mars> so its current mechanism is broken, and it is missing at least one possible safeguard.
[14:55] <adeuring> can somebody give me a clue about this test failure: http://paste.ubuntu.com/446120/ ? it occurs for this branch: lp:~adeuring/launchpad/expectations-bug-556499-model
[14:57] <mars> leonardr or gary_poster, ^ haven't we seen adeuring's error before?
[14:57] <leonardr> checking
[14:58] <leonardr> it looks like an error occured when generating the json representation of an object (which is stuffed into the HTML for use in ajax)
[14:58] <mars> adeuring, yes, check this: https://dev.launchpad.net/Debugging#Getting past "LocationError: 'json'" in TAL template tracebacks
[14:58] <adeuring> mars: thanks, will lok
[14:58] <leonardr> yeah, you need to find the underlying error
[14:59] <adeuring> leonardr: the main change in this branch is the adition of a new property that is exposed to the webservice
[14:59] <adeuring> though it is defined via get/set methods
[14:59] <leonardr> i'll take a look at the branch
[15:00] <adeuring> leonardr: but... the error occurs also for r9391 of the branch
[15:02] <gary_poster> mars, I don't see how a timeout could be coded reasonably for running arbitrary code that has no guarantee of generating anything on stdout or stderr in any particular amount of time.  If you do, cool, show me when you write it, cause I'll want to see what you have in mind (no need to explain now).
[15:02] <gary_poster> On the other topic, an you point me to the "error handling mechanisms" claims?  If the subprocess is running arbitrary code (which it does), and it does not return an error code it seems to me like you're going to have trouble.  The subprocess wrapper code (the code running the arbitrary code) is the place where you have to code very defensively to make sure it catches just about everything.
[15:02] <gary_poster> Is that what you mean you need to improve?
[15:04] <gary_poster> mars: or do you just mean your last point?"Why is the parent testrunner process not failing the suite when it knows that the child process died due to a testrunner error? (I.e. the parent it got a 'Could not communicate with subprocess' flag)"
[15:05] <mars> gary_poster, I think the code on either side of the subprocess gap needs to be examined to see why this exception did not cross the IPC channel
[15:05] <mars> gary_poster, the latter, what you just quoted
[15:05] <gary_poster> gotcha mars, thank you.
[15:06] <mars> gary_poster, if it knows "my subprocess just died, uh oh", then why the heck didn't the suite error out?
[15:06] <gary_poster> mars: ack, agree
[15:06] <leonardr> adeuring: i don't know. can you find the underlying exception? i hope it will make everything clear
[15:07] <adeuring> leonardr: yeah, I think mars gave me the right clue
[15:08] <gary_poster> noodles775, bigjools: bug 590766 sounds like a high priority.  is it?  noodles775, are you going to take it since it appears to be a continuation of your work for bug 588288, or are you tossing this over?
[15:08] <mup> Bug #590766: Apache log parser crashes out on the PPA logs <Launchpad Foundations:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/590766>
[15:08] <mup> Bug #588288: log parser should not read entire file into memory <qa-needstesting> <Launchpad Foundations:Fix Committed by michael.nelson> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/588288>
[15:08] <bigjools> gary_poster: I think it's happened because the offset it's using is out of sync with the file
[15:09] <gary_poster> ah
[15:09] <bigjools> gary_poster: and I'd like to toss it over if that's ok :)
[15:09] <bigjools> the code should probably look for the nearest \n to the offset
[15:09] <gary_poster> bigjools: and it's high priority?
[15:09] <bigjools> gary_poster: fairly yes
[15:09] <gary_poster> ok
[15:10] <bigjools> thanks
[15:10] <gary_poster> bigjools: sure.  do you have an easy way to dupe, perchance?  Otherwise I'll try to figure out a way to dupe with the clues you just gave.
[15:11] <bigjools> gary_poster: it's reproducible on dogfood
[15:11] <bigjools> but I suspect that's because the offset that's stored is out of whack for some reason
[15:11] <bigjools> I'm happy to help test on DF for you
[15:12] <bigjools> or probe for any more info you need
[15:12] <gary_poster> bigjools: ok, thanks, yeah.  I'll probably write up a hack patch soon for you to try to see if we are on the right track before I pursue a full proper branch.
[15:13] <bigjools> cool
[15:13] <noodles775> Thanks gary_poster !
[15:13] <gary_poster> :-) np
[15:15] <wgrant> bigjools: I don't think being more robust and looking for a \n nearby is at all the right solution.
[15:15] <wgrant> It should never happen.
[15:15] <bigjools> do expand ...
[15:16] <wgrant> Unless we have a bug, or somebody mangles the log files.
[15:16] <bigjools> never != will never
[15:16] <bigjools> and you hit on the right thing with your latter point
[15:16] <wgrant> Yes, and when it does happen we have a problem, so we probably want to know that it exists.
[15:16] <bigjools> it should not make the parser bail out permanently
[15:16] <wgrant> Why would somebody be mangling log files?
[15:16] <bigjools> PEBKAC
[15:16] <gary_poster> I agree I'd like to know what the root cause is
[15:16] <bigjools> never underestimate human fuckups
[15:17] <wgrant> It only kills the rest of that file, right?
[15:17] <bigjools> in my case I suspect it's because the dogfood database was restored from production
[15:19] <gary_poster> Vaguely, I'd prefer to reread the file if we get out of sync, but I don't understand what is going on in this code well enough yet--the diff doesn't give me enough context.
[15:20] <wgrant> We can't safely reread it.
[15:20] <wgrant> We may have already put stuff into the DB from previous runs.
[15:21] <gary_poster> I figured we would, but I had hoped we would have enough information around to know what we had already read.  That's obviously uninformed hope; perhaps it can't work.
[15:21] <wgrant> We have the information: the offset.
[15:21] <gary_poster> Which is broken.
[15:21] <wgrant> But the problem here is the case where that information is wrong.
[15:21] <wgrant> Right.
[15:22] <gary_poster> So the offset is too fragile.  I thought we might have a datetime of the last read line somewhere.  If not, we could store it.
[15:44] <gary_poster> bigjools: could you email me the specific file that is broken?  I'd like to experiment with it.
[15:44] <bigjools> I can
[15:44] <gary_poster> thank you
[15:45] <bigjools> gary_poster: ummm it's 1.7G
[15:45] <gary_poster> bigjools: ... :-/ devpad, and I
[15:45] <gary_poster> '
[15:45] <bigjools> I can copy it to.... devpad!
[15:45] <gary_poster> I will tell you when I have it?
[15:46]  * bigjools needs 2 more arms
[15:47] <gary_poster> He would look funny then.
[16:08] <nigelb> Is there plan for LP to have a "press foo to forward to debian" thingy?
[16:10] <james_w> leonardr: you might be interested in https://edge.launchpad.net/soupmatchers see http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~soupmatchers-dev/soupmatchers/trunk/annotate/head:/README
[16:58] <jml> nigelb, it's definitely within scope, but there aren't concrete plans to implement it right now.
[17:09] <henninge> Can somebody tell me where we import the sortable tables from that we use in Launchpad?
[17:09] <henninge> Are they LAZR-JS?
[17:21] <mars> gary_poster or sidnei, Zope question: if I want to add a test to zope.testing for a specific corner case, do I have to use a doctest to do it?
[17:22] <mars> gary_poster, sidnei, I would normally use a unit test for corner cases and test to increase code coverage.  The test in question is to ensure a bug is not present.
[17:22] <sidnei> mars, no, you don't need to use a doctest. in fact, if you're willing to convert all doctests to unittests you would be very welcome :)
[17:25] <mars> sidnei, alright, where in zope.testing would this unit test go?  "testrunner-ex" doesn't sound right
[17:25] <mars> sidnei, oops, have to go, lunch is served, back in 1hr
[17:31] <nigelb> jml: I'm trying to write something that links with reportbug
[17:31] <nigelb> bug anyway, hooking with debian bts should be easier than most, since its easy to opena  new bug.
[17:32] <nigelb> but its the searching that might be a bit challenging
[17:32] <ScottK> reportbug has searching code and it's in Python ....
[17:35] <nigelb> ScottK: oh, reportbug is python? if only I knew, I wouldn't be pulling my hair out last weekend
[17:36] <ScottK> ;-)
[17:39] <nigelb> ScottK: in that case its only trivial for me to add the querying LP part to reportbug as such as a new feature!
[17:39] <nigelb> I shuold try doing that this weekend
[19:00] <mars> sidnei, back
[19:03] <sidnei> mars, so tests are registered in tests.py. i see they are pretty much all doctests. but that shouldn't prevent you from writing a unittest
[19:03] <sidnei> mars, testrunner-ex contains sample tests used by the doctests to trigger failure conditions and edge cases apparenlty
[19:05] <mars> sidnei, yes, it looks that way
[19:06] <mars> sidnei, ok, I see the subunit tests block near the end of tests.py.  Looks like that is the place to put unit tests.
[19:07] <sidnei> yeah
[19:08] <mars> sidnei, should I create a new subdirectory just for unit tests? 'unit', or 'tests' or something?
[19:09] <mars> sidnei, I am a bit hobbled here by my ignorance of zope project conventions
[19:10] <sidnei> mars, uhm. instead of tests.py it should really be a tests directory there, and maybe a test_doctests.py inside. i think no-one bothered to fix that.
[19:10] <sidnei> mars, maybe just add the test to tests.py
[19:13] <mars> I'm not sure that is a good idea.  That file is large enough already.
[19:14] <mars> Adding an unknown number of xUnit tests to it would just pollute the module.
[19:15] <mars> sidnei, I could create a tests/ directory and put test_subunit.py inside it
[19:15] <mars> it would be a partial refactoring
[19:15] <sidnei> that sounds good too
[19:17] <mars> ok
[19:18] <mars> sidnei, ah, won't work: a 'tests' package directory would raise a name conflict with the existing 'tests' module
[19:19] <sidnei> yeah, so i thought.
[19:19] <mars> testtestrunner :P
[19:19] <sidnei> mars, best way would be to move tests.py to tests/test_doctest.py as i suggested.
[19:20] <mars> sidnei, and what about testrunner-ex and friends?
[19:20] <sidnei> mars, as i said, that's sample code used by the doctests
[20:06] <mars> leonardr, ping, just did a rf-get and build, am getting an AssertionError from the apidoc/index.html build step.  Known issue?
[20:14] <leonardr> mars, i don't know about it. pastebin?
[20:14] <jml> mars, btw, can I look at your patch for zope.testing when it's done?
[20:15] <mars> jml, sure.  may be a bit, I have to craft a reproduction of the error
[20:16] <jml> mars, that's ok. I'm on vacation so not in any kind of rush :)
[20:16] <jml> (yes I suck at vacation)
[20:16] <mars> lol
[20:21] <mars> leonardr, here is the output of 'make clean && make' on a fresh branch of devel: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/446264/
[20:22] <leonardr> mars: hypothesis: someone landed a web service branch recently that broke this
[20:22] <leonardr> i don't know why they were able to land it, since apidoc.txt should have failed
[20:22] <leonardr> but that's the most likely explanation
[20:22] <mars> leonardr, fake success mail from ec2?
[20:22] <leonardr> "web service branch" = "branch that messes with or publishes something new on the web service"
[20:22] <leonardr> yeah, i guess
[20:23] <mars> leonardr, do you know how to fix it?
[20:23] <mars> I don't :)
[20:24] <leonardr> i know how to fix it on a high level, ie. 1) find the branch that caused the problem, 2) run the test, 3) fix the failure
[20:25] <leonardr> but i have no idea what the actual problem is--it could be anything anywhere in the web service
[20:26] <leonardr> mars: i'd start looking at rev 10953, adiroiban's POTemplate change
[20:29] <mars> leonardr, we'll find out in 27 minutes :)
[20:29] <mars> if buildbot is accurate
[20:41] <leonardr> mars, i was able to make revision 10952
[20:50] <mars> I don't trust the buildbot estimates any more.  Refreshing the page removed 2 minutes from the estimate since I last spoke of it, 20 minutes ago.
[21:19] <bryceh> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu is oopsing for bdmurray and I, is this a known issue?
[21:21] <mars> bryceh, I was having similar problems with my branch listings page OOPSing earlier today.  There was mention of increased database loads due to some OAuth code.  gary_poster, could they be related?
[21:22] <gary_poster> mars, no what stub was talking about was systemic, not specific to today or this week or this month.
[21:22] <mars> gary_poster, ok
[21:22] <bryceh> the error I see is:  Module lp.bugs.model.bugtarget, line 211, in getBugCounts
[21:22] <bryceh> ', '.join(select_columns), ' AND '.join(conditions)))
[21:22] <bryceh> QueryCanceledError('canceling statement due to statement timeout\n',)
[21:22] <bryceh> (https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=OOPS-1619ED1527)
[21:22] <leonardr> mars, binary search has revealed it's got to be either 10958 or 10959
[21:23] <mars> leonardr, ah, have to love the binary bug search :)
[21:24] <bdmurray> well it couldn't be 10959 ;-)
[21:25] <mars> hehe
[21:30] <maxb> jelmer: Did you follow up about that fretsonfire import or did jonobacon apparently delete it himself for another reason?
[21:30] <leonardr> mars, bdmurray, it's 10959
[21:31] <jelmer> maxb: I haven't followed up
[21:31] <bdmurray> leonardr: can you provide some guidance for fixing it?
[21:31] <maxb> ok, I'll write to him since he's deleted the old import and requested a new one
[21:32] <jelmer> maxb: you can also msg him on irc, he's 'jono' on this network
[21:33] <leonardr> bdmurray, first step is to find the underlying problem
[21:34] <mars> leonardr, gary_poster, r10958 built fine for me.
[21:35] <lifeless> my gyess
[21:35] <lifeless> he couldn't find the edit-details button to fix it
[21:41] <leonardr> bdmurray
[21:41] <leonardr> this should be easy to fix
[21:41] <leonardr> you define a new argument to searchTasks, which is a reference(schema=Interface)
[21:41] <leonardr> you did what other, similar arguments did
[21:41] <leonardr> but what you didn't see is that that value doesn't stay Interface forever
[21:41] <leonardr> it only starts out as Interface to avoid a circular import
[21:42] <leonardr> take a look at lib/canonical/launchpad/interfaces/_schema_circular_imports.py
[21:42] <leonardr> you'll see # IHasBugs
[21:42] <leonardr> and then a number of calls to patch_plain_parameter_type()
[21:42] <kb9vqf> How can I set a custom OpenID URL?  Something in launchpad-lazr.conf?  Is there any documentation for that file?
[21:42] <leonardr> each of those replaces the 'Interface' in one Reference(schema=Interface)
[21:43] <leonardr> you need to add a call to patch_plain_parameter_type(IHasBugs, 'structural_subscriber', ???)
[21:44] <leonardr> the question is, what goes in that ???? What type of object is structural_subscriber, really?
[21:44] <leonardr> it looks like it's an IPerson
[21:44] <leonardr> so you would add patch_plain_parameter_type(IHasBugs, 'structural_subscriber', IPerson)
[21:45] <bdmurray> leonardr: right, it is.  and then would I just resubmit it to pqm?
[21:45] <leonardr> yes
[21:45] <leonardr> make sure that 'make' works after you make your change
[21:45] <gary_poster> leonardr, bdmurray: awesome, thank you
[21:45] <bdmurray> leonardr: yes, of course.
[21:45] <leonardr> gary, np
[21:46] <bdmurray> leonardr: thanks for the help
[21:46] <leonardr> sure
[22:07] <gary_poster> bryceh: did you make a bug for that?  If not, I will.
[22:07] <gary_poster> bryceh: (the timeout on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu and https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu)
[22:12] <bryceh> gary_poster, nope I didn't
[22:12] <gary_poster> bryceh: on it
[22:34] <maxb> Does anyone know why https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~chanwit/groovy/ck1 would not be showing a 'Branch metadata' section?
[22:35] <mars> maxb, thumper might
[22:38] <thumper> maxb: what do you mean?
[22:45] <Lonniebiz> Some questions:  Does launch pad solve the same problems that bugzilla does?
[22:46] <Lonniebiz> Can you install it on you own Ubuntu server, and make it work the same way launchpad.net works?
[22:46] <Lonniebiz> Can a software development company use Launch Pad for project management?
[22:46] <lifeless> yes
[22:47] <lifeless> sorry, in order
[22:47] <lifeless> no (solves more than)
[22:47] <lifeless> yes you can install it yourself, if you have the time and willpower to admin it (its not .... lightweight); you *must* rebrand it if you do that.
[22:48] <lifeless> Yes, you can use launchpad for some project management tasks, either hosted (launchpad.net, speak to bac for commercial subscription info), or on your own one (see my immediately previous answer)
[22:48] <Lonniebiz> My company is looking for a Software Project Manangement solution.
[22:48] <Lonniebiz> Been looking at Jira, but thought about how much I liked how Ubuntu allows you to submit bugs and stuff.
[22:49] <Lonniebiz> We develop software that is commercial, but need something to track us through the Software Development Life Cycle.
[22:50] <lifeless> sure
[22:50] <lifeless> launchpad.net can host such things
[22:50] <Lonniebiz> Think installing LaunchPad on our Ubuntu server would be too involved a solution. I'm a big Ubuntu fan myself....
[22:51] <maxb> thumper: Normally a branch page shows a 'Branch metadata' section showing its format, and if its stacked
[22:51] <maxb> But it's missing on that one branch
[22:51] <Lonniebiz> I've read this: https://dev.launchpad.net/Getting
[22:52] <Lonniebiz> After I complete those steps, will it be as simply as navigating to an internal ip such as http://localhost/LaunchPad   ?
[22:52] <thumper> maxb: the branch hasn't been scanned since we added the metadata, so nothing to show
[22:52] <maxb> oh, I see
[22:52] <Lonniebiz> then just add a project through the web interface?  Is it that simple or much much more involved.
[22:52] <maxb> It is MUCH MUCH more involved
[22:52] <maxb> For a start, you *must* rebrand it
[22:53] <maxb> And also learn lots about how the many components fit together, and how to run it in production, which isn't documented anywhere public
[22:54] <Lonniebiz> Yeah, but at first, we'd be just using it internally; If we were to let customers see it, we'd surely take the step of rebranding it.
[22:54] <maxb> To use it internally _legally_ you'd have to rebrand it first
[22:54] <Lonniebiz> For now, we're just looking at it more as a development tool than a customer feedback tool.
[22:54] <maxb> so says the licence
[22:54] <Lonniebiz> oh, I see.
[22:54] <maxb> (This annoys me too)
[22:55] <gary_poster> Lonniebiz: FWIW, https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/208
[22:55] <Lonniebiz> Well, that doesn't seem hard, just change the logo right, and replace any word "launchpad" with "CompanyA", right?
[22:55] <maxb> and design replacements for all of the many icons....
[22:56] <gary_poster> (Again FWIW, I also think you are significantly underestimating the setup involved, as maxb suggested.)
[22:56] <Lonniebiz> that could be laborious...
[23:40] <rockstar> wgrant, ping


[00:15] <elky> i smell arch trolls
[00:15] <Seeker`> mmm
[00:15] <elky> in -ot
[00:17] <elky> none of them show in arch channels though...
[00:27] <ubot3> In #ubuntu-gr, Phantomas said: !no x is <reply>The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[01:13] <elky> what?!
 Awfully idiotic of me considering a few things but 12x500mg ibuprofen tablets = no more tooth pain
[02:33] <Pici> !-homie
[06:18] <Tm_T> weird split, didn't join into this channel after that
[06:37] <Myrtti> should I tell blubaustin and tabrisnet to get out?
[06:38] <Madpilot> tempting
[06:39] <Myrtti> they are offtopic...
[06:40]  * Myrtti waits
[06:40] <Madpilot> Myrtti, cue whining about being ignored in #debian
[06:41] <Myrtti> Madpilot: since tabrisnet is there as well, they have no excuse
[06:42] <Madpilot> ban-forward to #debian == tempting... :)
[06:44] <Myrtti> ok, someone, come up with a proper ubuntu problem
[06:45] <Madpilot> epiphany just ate all the favicons on my bookmark bar. does that count?
[06:45] <Myrtti> it did the same for me few months back :-(
[06:48] <Madpilot> now that Firefox does tags in bookmarks, the one real reason I was using Epiph has kind of evaporated, and some of it's other quirks bug me...
[06:49] <Myrtti> I still like how lightweight it is
[08:24] <topyli> i much prefer the epiphany location bar over awesomebar
[08:25] <topyli> smart bookmarks are smarter imo. firefox makes you memorize and type keywords. awesomebar also seems big and slow
[08:27] <topyli> and of course, ephy smart bookmarks are available as searches in deskbar-applet <3
[08:32] <topyli> it also doesn't shout "i am epiphany. let me handle all your operating system tasks. let's have a game of pacman" :)
[09:19] <ikonia> I see grant-a has returned after a long period away
[09:19] <elky> he does that.
[09:19] <ikonia> just as random as ever
[09:20] <ikonia> "apple have opensourced their kernel"
[09:20] <ikonia> etc
[09:20] <elky> oh really
[09:20] <ikonia> I wish windows would open source theirs
[09:20] <ikonia> etc
[09:20] <ikonia> utter tosh
[09:22] <elky> haha
[10:58] <Myrtti> what's balzac doing...?
[10:58] <ikonia> where ?
[10:58] <ikonia> I see
[10:59] <Myrtti> hmm
[10:59] <Myrtti> @bansearch balzac
[10:59] <Myrtti> he might be banned fro -ot still
[10:59] <Myrtti> dumdumdumdumdum dumdidum
[10:59] <Myrtti> @comment 12503
[10:59] <Myrtti> @comment
[11:01] <Myrtti> he should know that discussing bans and getting entry to a channel is discussed here
[11:01] <ikonia> he does
[11:02]  * Myrtti reads the logs
[11:04] <Myrtti> when/if he comes over, remind him that in the future all the bans are discussed here, as that was the reason he was banned from -offtopic as well
[11:04] <ikonia> shock horror
[11:04] <Myrtti> s/in the future//
[11:05] <Myrtti> other than that, I've got nothing against lifting the ban
[11:05] <ikonia> who put the original ban on ?
[11:08] <Myrtti> ikonia: LjL...
[11:08] <ikonia> ah
[11:10] <elky> given the nickname, i'd be sus of it too
[11:14] <ikonia> is kde 4.2 in backports ?
[11:14] <elky> i see cloudy_nz is bein ghis normal derogatory self
[12:28] <Myrtti> !away > gangs20003{afk}
[12:53] <Tm_T> ikonia: er?
[12:54] <ikonia> ?
[12:54] <Tm_T> asked about backports, 4.2 is in main
[12:54] <ikonia> I thought someone
[12:54] <ikonia> I thought so
[12:54] <ikonia> someone coplainaing 4.2 from backports broke their system
[12:54] <ikonia> anyone must dash
[12:56] <Tm_T> well, there might be updates in backports too
[12:56] <Tm_T> I cannot say, packages.ubuntu.com will tell (:
[12:59]  * Pici uses http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/madison.cgi and/or rmadison from cli
[13:15] <Myrtti> They're Coming To Take Me Away HAHAA HOHOO!
[13:15] <Myrtti> :-P
[13:15]  * Pici is not surprised
[13:43] <bazhang> chatwatch?
[13:43] <Myrtti> indeed
[13:43] <Myrtti> ChatWatch: what on earth are you doing on #ubuntu?
[13:43] <bazhang> ChatWatch> I'm here to keep order in the room and make sure everyone chats nicley :)
[13:45] <ChatWatch> I work with a team of 50 voulnteers to keep order on mIRC. Please stop causing disruption.
[13:45] <bazhang> ?
[13:45] <Myrtti> what?
[13:45] <Myrtti> ChatWatch: who appointed you to #ubuntu?
[13:45] <ChatWatch> Ubuntu is for support issues on the Linux Operating system. Those who continue to swear and/or disrupt the topic will be dealt with.
[13:45] <Myrtti> yes
[13:46] <Myrtti> BY THE OPERATORS
[13:46] <Myrtti> not you
[13:46] <ChatWatch> Myrtti, I work on ALL mIRC networks
[13:46] <tsimpson> this is not a mIRC network
[13:46] <topyli> tell me more :)
[13:46] <tsimpson> welcome to Freenode
[13:46] <Daviey> ChatWatch: How do you deal with people who swear and/or disrupt?
[13:47] <ChatWatch> Daviey, we work with the internet providers and central mIRC server and remove persistent offenders from mIRC permantley. A letter will also be sent to there house and there is a poissibilty of complete removal of internet and/or email access in extreme cases.
[13:48] <Myrtti> ChatWatch: who has appointed you? who is your boss? who can I contact?
[13:48] <Myrtti> ChatWatch: have you contacted freenode staff about your agenda?
[13:48] <Daviey> ChatWatch: I regulary disrupt places, please ensure you do all those threats to me
[13:48] <Daviey> please!
[13:49] <ChatWatch> Myritti, please email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>
[13:49] <Gary> ChatWatch: please stop making things up
[13:49] <ChatWatch> Myrtti, yes we are in regular contact with all mIRC networks
[13:49] <Gary> ChatWatch: ORLY
[13:49] <Daviey> haha
[13:49] <bazhang> yeowch
[13:49] <topyli> what is a mIRC network?
[13:50] <topyli> oh ok :)
[13:50] <topyli> apparently not freenode
[13:50] <Dave2> It's a network of mIRC clients all connected together.  I'd join the fun, but I need to wash my hair.
[14:03] <Myrtti> and I have a mangle.
[14:04] <elky> Gary, i didnt do it -ot because every time we do, people whinge that they feel threatened.
[14:05] <Gary> elky: mwhaha..  yeah, sorry
[14:05] <Gary> thats why I set that msg
[14:06] <elky> yeah, they'll still whinge.
[14:07] <Gary> then you kick em
[14:07] <Gary> (joke)
[14:08] <Dave2> w/ in1213
[14:08] <Dave2> erm. yes.
[14:09] <Gary> fail
[14:09] <Myrtti> this calls out for the keyboard cat
[14:09] <elky> can i kick eagles? it'll be so much fun
[14:09] <Dave2> Gary: always.
[14:09] <Myrtti> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J---aiyznGQ
[14:09] <Dave2> Myrtti: ooh, that might manage to push Japanese Ronald McDonald out of my head.
[14:09] <Dave2> (It has been stuck there for quite a while now.)
[14:10] <Myrtti> Dave2: I've got it as a ringtone ^_____^
[14:10] <Dave2> Poor cat, being stuck in your phone like that :(
[14:11] <elky> she didnt even get the second one with the human meowing
[14:12] <Myrtti> I'm not sure I've heard that...
[14:13] <elky> ah, not a human meowing, the ... fake meow
[15:12] <ikonia> what's the link for the xchat version of autobleh ?
[15:12] <ikonia> can't remember the name of it
[15:18] <ikonia> chanserv.py - got it
[15:28]  * genii sips
[17:42]  * Pici palms
[17:52] <Seeker`> Pici: you'll go blind if you keep on doing that
[18:43] <Myrtti> !away > TheDarkstar
[19:09] <Myrtti> hello Spike1506
[19:09] <Myrtti> how can we help you?
[19:10] <Spike1506> just checking around
[19:10] <Myrtti> anything particular?
[19:11] <Spike1506> no not really. but thanks for asking.
[19:13] <Myrtti> just in case you didn't notice the /topic, I'd like to point out that this channel has quite strict no-idling policy
[19:13] <Myrtti> if you don't have anything you want to discuss...
[19:13] <Spike1506> i c, didnt see that part
[19:13] <Spike1506> im sorry
[19:13] <Myrtti> no probs...
[19:15] <Pici> !away > chiques
[19:19] <Pici> frazzer's behavior in #ubuntu was odd...
[19:19] <Myrtti> had to be a bot
[19:20] <Pici> He was acting normal before though, maybe he contracted a virus
[19:24] <Myrtti> full moon
[19:24] <Myrtti> must be a full moon
[19:38] <Pici> removed
[19:42] <Myrtti> what was it?
[19:42] <genii> Myrtti: An un-closeable smut window
[19:43] <genii> (their link)
[19:43] <Pici> I only tried w3m
[20:04] <genii> For anyone interested in reporting the abuse of that site: http://paste.ubuntu.com/192870/           (I don't speak spanish)
[20:06] <genii> Or if you live there and it's a local call, phone the guy and freak him out :)
[20:40] <Pici> he tried the command.
[20:40] <Myrtti> jebus
[20:53] <genii> Gah
[21:36] <JanC> right, got one of those tiphergane ones too ;)
[21:36] <Flannel> Hyperactive?
[21:38] <ikonia> !staff | tiphergane trying to send dcc spam to multiple channel members
[21:39] <vorian> handled
[21:40] <ikonia> noticed
[21:41] <christel> ack, he keeps reconnecting tho
[21:42] <ikonia> yes,
[21:42] <ikonia> just hit me again
[21:52] <vorian> meh


[03:42] <vade> is it possible to use the h.264 decoder on the Pandaboard to decode a video direct an OpenGL surface?
[03:42] <vade> or does it decode to main memory, where I can then upload via standard glTextSubImage2D, etc?
[04:15] <vade> ah, according to this, the video decodes to a separate window directly to the display, bypassing OpenGL
[04:15] <vade> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.embedded.pandaboard/1938
[04:15] <vade> but, there seems to be a shred of hope that it may work, texture streaming, etc. Id love to know if that works currently
[07:27] <huge> Hello, I read that Ubuntu IVI Remix is available for testing purpose.
[07:27] <huge> where Can I download the image??
[08:32] <MMlosh> ogra_,  Hi!  that 3.0 kernel image from oneiric works well for the tuners...   but X11 can't turn the screen off.. and framebuffer 1 and 2 are missing, maybe causing X11 to choose fbdev over omapfb...  Is there a way how to get DPMS working with >=3.0 kernel? Is it compiling the kernel with more framebuffers? Is it full upgrade to oneiric? I hate to bother you so often, I don't know any other way to move on
[09:45] <twb> MMlosh: are you trying "xset dpms force on" or so, or are you using some high-level GNOME-type wrapper?
[09:46] <MMlosh> twb,  "xset s activate"
[09:46] <twb> MMlosh: I don't suppose "framebuffer ... missing" is simply because you have no tty running there?  Like "sudo openvt -sw -- bash" ?
[09:46] <MMlosh> xset +-dpms does not change what happens
[09:47] <twb> xset s activate will just enable it, it won't blank it immediately AIUI.  Also AIUI s is blanking, dpms is actually turning the disply off
[09:47] <twb> (I'm just doing generic frontline helpdesk here, I don't have an OMAP system)
[09:47] <MMlosh> the one you wrote does the same thing
[09:47] <twb> OK
[09:47] <MMlosh> it worked with kernel from natty..  does not with oneiric
[09:48] <twb> Sorry, "xset dpms force off" I think will blank it immediate
[09:48] <twb> s is definitely seperate from dpms
[09:48] <MMlosh> twb, there used to be fbcon, fb0, fb1, fb2 (those two are used for overlays.. scaled video playback and such).. now there is only fbcon and fb0
[09:49] <twb> OK, dunno about the fb part then sorry
[09:49] <MMlosh> twb, they may be separate, but the result is the same on all my systems..
[09:49] <twb> Good luck, I'm going home
[09:49] <MMlosh> thanks for your response anyway
[10:22] <ogra_> janimo, i'm running a full armel build for all images/flavours now ... might take a while but you should also get an mx5 build
[10:22] <janimo> great
[10:22] <janimo> I am curious if the new jasper works fine on mx5 and does not break omap :)
[10:25] <MMlosh> any luck it'll get fb1 back?
[10:34] <MMlosh> ogra_,  I guess it's not OK for me to highlight you with my small issues.. right?  But if you pointed me to something that would get me DPMS back with the linux 3... it would be really nice
[10:42] <MMlosh> ogra_,  I guess it's not OK for me to highlight you with my small issues.. right?  But if you pointed me to something that would get me DPMS back with the linux 3... it would be really nice  (not sure if you got it first time)
[12:07] <ppisati> with the latest oneiric/omap4 kernel, we have audio through pulseaudio too
[12:10] <janimo> ppisati, so no more pulse at 100% CPU either?
[12:11]  * ogra_ hugs ppisati
[12:11] <ogra_> THANKS FOR TESTING !!!!
[12:11] <ogra_> (and yes, the caps were intentional)
[12:11] <ogra_> :)
[12:11] <ppisati> :)
[12:11] <ppisati> yeah, it's working
[12:11] <ppisati> but it just died...
[12:12] <ppisati> wait a sec
[12:16] <ppisati> yes, i double checked
[12:16] <ppisati> it's working
[12:16] <ppisati> i'm playing some mp3 via audacious through it
[12:17] <ppisati> but it has happend one time, that it spountaneously muted
[13:09] <MMlosh> ogra_, bad news.. the oneiric kernel gave up on me..   the ethernet no longer communicates..   ping gets no replies.. yet no errors in dmesg
[13:17] <MMlosh> ip link set eth0 down & ip link set eth0 up   got it from the dead state.. I have no clue what was wrong
[14:48] <utlemming> MMlosh, orga_: I figured out my QEMU problem yesterday -- it was all kernel commandline options. If all goes well, we'll be publishing QEMU ARMEL Cloud-image starting tonight.
[14:54] <ogra_> awesome !
[14:57] <MMlosh> ogra_, my issue with dpms was actually simple.. the kernel from oneiric uses "OMAP DRM" instead of "OMAP FB".. requring completely different Xorg driver...  or a revert to the old approach..    not sure about the net issue, though
[14:58] <ogra_> yeah, DRM is needed for the GLES driver to work
[15:02] <MMlosh> ogra_, any luck I can get simple DPMS with that thing?
[15:02] <MMlosh> I don't want gles.. I want dpms :)
[15:02] <ogra_> no idea, i thought i saw it working
[15:03] <MMlosh> maybe I need to install another X11 driver or something
[15:03]  * ogra_ is in the ARM meeting in #ubuntu-meeting atm
[15:03] <MMlosh> ok..
[15:04] <MMlosh> I'll probably recompile  and enable older framebuffer support...  that should work like it used to.. for now


[08:49] <nutshell42> ais, I'm not quite sure where my xine's from
[08:50] <pradeepto> That I know, I came back I followed the instructions there. I was just confused about the engine part.
[08:51] <nutshell42> brb, restarting X
[08:56] <slow-motion> hallo
[09:00] <lwelyn> re slow-motion
[09:01] <slow-motion> hi lwelyn
[09:04] <xwolf-> !mp3
[09:04] <Glin|Jol> Winamp  5.20 Stopped
[09:04] <ubotu> somebody said mp3 was a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:05] <xwolf-> how do i prevent firefox's mini-icon from appearing? (next to kwallet's)
[09:06] <xwolf-> !video
[09:06] <ubotu> xwolf-: parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:06] <xwolf-> !avi
[09:06] <ubotu> somebody said avi was Video for Windows. For more info http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:07] <nutshell42> xwolf-: troubles playing an avi?
[09:07] <xwolf-> nutshell42 just formatted and reinstalled kub
[09:07] <xwolf-> now everything from scratch.
[09:08] <rohan> hi all
[09:08] <rohan> can some one please confirm this bug for me ? http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124807
[09:11] <rohan> and can kubuntu solve this bug, or feature or whatever ?
[09:14] <xwolf-> how do i prevent firefox's mini-icon from appearing? (next to kwallet's)
[09:14] <frank23> rohan: if the bug is in kde, kde developpers will have to deal with it. If I understand correctly it's the order in which alt-tab selects windows that has changed?
[09:15] <rohan> frank23: yes.
[09:15] <rohan> urgent windows must be on top of the list
[09:15] <rohan> and minimized on bottom
[09:15] <rohan> but ubuntu can fix it
[09:15] <rohan> one big + for using kubuntu
[09:15] <rohan> :D
[09:15] <rohan> i am ready to downgrade to kde 351 for that bug
[09:16] <sredna> Hi
[09:16] <sredna> What is the package to install java (sun java preferably)?
[09:16] <rohan> sredna: download the bin, NOT RPM,
[09:16] <rohan> apt-get install java-package
[09:16] <rohan> make-jpkg foo.bin
[09:17] <frank23> rohan: I don't find it's that bad a bug... oh well.
[09:17] <rohan> frank23: u an ready to downgrade for it :)
[09:20] <Kyral> yo all
[09:21] <n3storm> hi
[09:23] <sredna> Are there any reason for not just installing the java bin archieve?
[09:24] <rohan> yes
[09:24] <rohan> since you cant remove it, sredna
[09:24] <sredna> rm -rf <dir> usually does that, since they politely sticks everything in one directory
[09:25] <sredna> But it is an argument
[09:25] <rohan> yes
[09:25] <rohan> making pkgs is "the debian way"
[09:25] <Zerlinna> nutshell42: all important tags are working for blogger, even inline img :)
[09:28] <swoop> hello
[09:29] <swoop> i've downloaded kubuntu through apt-get, but i can't access it
[09:31] <sredna> Hm, running sudo just aborts, while running as me produces warnings :\
[09:32] <rohan> sredna: dont use sudo
[09:32] <rohan> use fakeroot
[09:32] <sredna> What it that?
[09:32] <rohan> "fakeroot make-jpkg foo.bin"
[09:33] <sredna> I learn everyday...
[09:46] <Stupid_Kid> Hello... I am looking into using Kubuntu, but I would appreciate a link to some screenshots.  Can anybody give me a link?
[09:46] <Stupid_Kid> I am brand new to linux, but did not like the Ubuntu GUI.
[09:50] <sredna> It doesn't work :(((((((((((8
[09:50] <sredna> Jav in firefox is broken now
[09:51] <nutshell42> Stupid_Kid: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=594&slide=3&title=kubuntu+6.04+flight+5+screenshots
[09:51] <nutshell42> yes, you can reduce the icon size in the file manager...
[09:51] <nutshell42> =)
[09:52] <sredna> Major problem
[09:52] <sredna> I can't use kubuntu if I can't use my bank
[09:52] <bkjones> never saw a bank that required java. 'cept etrade, but that's only to use their crazy tracker thing.
[09:52] <sredna> Or wait, does ubuntu install some odd non-working java on its own?
[09:53] <bkjones> YES.
[09:53] <bkjones> java version "1.4.2"
[09:53] <bkjones> gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.1.0 (Ubuntu 4.1.0-1ubuntu6)
[09:53] <bkjones> Copyright (C) 2006 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
[09:53] <bkjones> This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.  There is NO
[09:53] <bkjones> warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
[09:53] <bkjones> I have yet to have this be really useful for anything.
[09:54] <nutshell42> sun-j2re1.5
[09:54] <nutshell42> that's the package that contains my jre
[09:54] <nutshell42> if sun's java doesn't work you could also try ibm
[09:54] <sredna> I need to remove the non-working java then
[09:54] <sredna> Sun java usually works fine
[09:55] <sredna> The one firefox is using atm is broken
[09:55] <bkjones> you don't need to remove it.
[09:55] <sredna> What then?
[09:55] <bkjones> just install sun's java and set your path's accordingly.
[09:55] <sredna> Firefox is a POS, it has no way to set which plugin to use
[09:55] <bkjones> amen, brother.
[09:56] <nutshell42> isn't there something in about:config
[09:56] <bkjones> no.
[09:56] <nutshell42> stupid
[09:56] <bkjones> that's a listing, not an editable thing
[09:56] <bkjones> yeah.
[09:56] <sredna> How can I find out where ubuntu put mt sun java?
[09:56] <dipnlik__> hi all. i have 2 ntfs partitions here and i'm planning to install kubuntu. problem is, i cant backup everything now
[09:56] <nutshell42> we don't want to confuse our users with abilities like that
[09:57] <bkjones> sredna: "ubuntu" doesn't put it anywhere. What did you use to download it?
[09:57] <bkjones> dipnlik__: if you can't back up, don't install.
[09:57] <nutshell42> sredna: dpkg -L <pkgname>
[09:57] <sredna> This is a PITA
[09:57] <nutshell42> bkjones: depends, I got my sun jre with apt-get
[09:58] <nutshell42> but I'm not sure from which repository
[09:58] <bkjones> sredna: are you new from windows?
[09:58] <dipnlik__> bkjones: was wondering about install everything in partition 1 (8GB), then burn everything in partition 2 from kubuntu, then move /home from partition 1 to partition 2
[09:58] <sredna> bkjones: I did not use windows in this century
[09:58] <sredna> But I hate java, I ONLY have it because it's required by my web banking system
[09:58] <bkjones> sredna: sorry. You just seem really surprised by things that have pretty much always sucked.
[09:59] <nutshell42> dipnlik__: I don't see why that shouldn't work =)
[09:59] <Danny> can Kubuntu wireless cards work with WPA security?
[09:59] <sredna> bkjones: I'm new to debian, so I can't remember or does not know how to do things like list the content of a package
[09:59] <bkjones> dipnlik__: my only advice is if you can't back stuff up, and you have important stuff on those partitions, I wouldn't do anything drastic until you get backed up.
[09:59] <nutshell42> sredna: dpkg -L
[10:00] <dipnlik__> nutshell42: dont know how to do the last part (move /home to the new partition)
[10:00] <dipnlik__> bkjones: totally agreed. not anything important, mostly mediafiles
[10:00] <nutshell42> dipnlik__: back up partition 2
[10:00] <nutshell42> format
[10:01] <bkjones> moving home to new partition is simple stuff once you get stuff installed and running.
[10:01] <nutshell42> mount as /mnt/tmp; move /home to /mnt/tmp
[10:01] <sredna> ARGH
[10:01] <bkjones> but you'll likely want to format that partition to *not* be ntfs at that time.
[10:01] <sredna> This does not work
[10:01] <nutshell42> the stuff in home to be precise
[10:01] <nutshell42> and then put partition 1 in /etc/fstab as /home
[10:01] <bkjones> sredna: things don't always "Just Work(tm)". Relax and tell us the problem you're trying to solve.
[10:02] <sredna> Adept works
[10:02] <apokryphos> sredna: what's the problem?
[10:02] <Danny> can Kubuntu wireless cards work with WPA security?
[10:02] <bkjones> I agree, though, that it's idiotic to include a dopified java vm. It causes way more problems than it solves.
[10:02] <sredna> apokryphos: Firefox uses some non-working java clone
[10:02] <mornfall> hmm? :)
[10:02] <sredna> apokryphos: Instead of the sun java I installed
[10:02] <bkjones> Danny: kubuntu doesn't make wireless cards.
[10:03] <sredna> Where does firefox take its' java from?
[10:03] <nutshell42> sredna: /etc/alternatives/java
[10:03] <nutshell42> ?
[10:03] <apokryphos> sredna: alter /etc/alternatives, or remove the old/crappy java
[10:03] <sredna> Is there something like java-config in ubuntu?
[10:03] <Danny> I mean
[10:03] <Danny> support
[10:03] <bkjones> sredna: that's configured the same on every linux distro for the past 5 years.
[10:03] <bkjones> java-config?
[10:03] <bkjones> what's that? Mandrake?
[10:03] <apokryphos> sudo update-alternatives --config java
[10:04] <Danny> I have a dwl-g630 and I was wondering if Kubuntu could support it, and wpa security
[10:04] <apokryphos> sredna: ^ that =)
[10:04] <Danny> cause it only asks for the WEP key
[10:05] <bkjones> Danny: wpa is supported by the underlying wireless infrastructure, so it should be able to be made to work. Can you get the card working without wpa?
[10:05] <sredna> apokryphos: Thank you
[10:05] <Danny> Don't know..my wireless is wpa, so I can reboot and try
[10:05] <bkjones> Danny: just trying to figure out if your card is supported by a native driver, or if you need ndiswrapper and your windows driver.
[10:06] <bkjones> Once you figure that out, you can move on from there.
[10:06] <Danny> I think it is supported..not sure
[10:06] <Danny> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=125717
[10:06] <Danny> In that thread it says it is
[10:07] <Danny> not sure if they are different drivers for ubuntu and kubuntu
[10:07] <sredna> It does not work
[10:08] <apokryphos> sredna: did it say that it changed successfully? You'd need to restart ff
[10:08] <sredna> Ff crashed
[10:08] <apokryphos> if that doesn't work, I really recommend just removing blackdown (or whatever it was) java
[10:08] <apokryphos> sredna: also, are you using the sun java from as-instructed on /msg ubotu java  ?
[10:08] <bkjones> Danny: Nice! Looks like it works without much work involved!
[10:09] <Danny> ok :)
[10:09] <Danny> so when I reboot, should it show up in the network config?
[10:09] <sredna> apokryphos: I have no such message
[10:10] <apokryphos> sredna: ...just silence? That's fine.
[10:10] <sredna> How do I get the package listing back in adept, after listing details?
[10:10] <sredna> There is no obvious way
[10:11] <mornfall> sredna: Show List?
[10:11] <apokryphos> sredna: blackdown java is j2re1.4 IIRC
[10:11] <apokryphos> !info j2re1.4
[10:11] <ubotu> j2re1.4: (Blackdown Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition), section multiverse/devel, is optional. Version: <IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu3 (breezy), Packaged size: 21982 kB, Installed size: 58892 kB
[10:12] <apokryphos> yup
[10:12] <sredna> I have something named gij
[10:12] <Danny> my real question is...can I connect to WPA networks?
[10:12] <sredna> I remove it
[10:12] <Danny> because it only asks for my WEP key
[10:13] <noteventime> Danny, yes
[10:13] <apokryphos> sredna: yeah, that's also non-sun interpreter
[10:13] <noteventime> Danny, Are you on dapper?
[10:13] <Danny> ok thanks
[10:13] <Danny> no
[10:13] <noteventime> !wpa
[10:13] <ubotu> methinks wpa is enable the universe repository, then "sudo apt-get update", and then "sudo apt-get install wpasupplicant".  See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WPAHowto for more details
[10:13] <noteventime> wpa supplicant
[10:13] <noteventime> try installing kde-network-manager
[10:13] <bkjones> oh yeah
[10:14] <noteventime> I have to go
[10:14] <Danny> ok thanks :)
[10:14] <dozer_> hi - just installed kubuntu on my new PC
[10:14] <dozer_> after I installed the nvidia drivers, it seemed to run fine
[10:15] <dozer_> except the kubuntu login screen is sort of screwed up
[10:15] <sredna> I think I need something else
[10:15] <sredna> I hate java
[10:16] <apokryphos> sredna: need something else for what?
[10:16] <dozer_> I've got one of those dell 30" pannels and on the login screen, the background is painted correctly for a 1600x1200 block
[10:16] <nemesis_uk> hi can anyone tell me the best way to get a 2.6.15 kernel?
[10:16] <dozer_> but the rest is drawn like corrupted video memory
[10:16] <apokryphos> sredna: /msg ubotu java  to get/install a perfectly well-running java which includes the plugin for ff
[10:16] <Danny> also, how do I know if my printer will work with kubuntu?
[10:17] <dyrne__> Danny what printer?
[10:17] <sredna> apokryphos: When using my webbank, when I get to the place where I enter my password in order to do a transaction, the entry can't take keyboard focus. So it's broken
[10:17] <apokryphos> sredna: have you tried with another browser, perhaps?
[10:17] <Danny> an epson stylus cx4800
[10:18] <sredna> apokryphos: No other browser in linux supports secure java
[10:18] <sredna> (except if opera does, but I dont want opera)
[10:18] <apokryphos> hm, dang.
[10:18] <sredna> In that matter, the konqueror developers are sick
[10:18] <sredna> They REFUSE to have that
[10:18] <apokryphos> why?
[10:19] <sredna> I love konqui
[10:20] <sredna> I have firefox installed for that one site, my bank
[10:20] <sredna> I have files at least 5 bugs regarding that issue
[10:20] <sredna> And the deliberately refuse
[10:20] <apokryphos> that's a real shame
[10:21] <apokryphos> why would you not want opera, then? ;-)
[10:21] <bkjones> it sucks that you even have to think about this.
[10:21] <sredna> Like kdepim developers refuse having labels with phone numbers, and kmail developers refuses that images are a valuable addition to HTML email, and like I personally refuse to have a tabbar in kate
[10:22] <apokryphos> sredna: but you (or someone else) has given us a nice plugin for the option :)
[10:22] <apokryphos> images work fine in emails for me though; what do you mean about the kmail example?
[10:22] <sredna> Someone else, but hey, I didn't delete it }:p
[10:22] <OdyX> Riddell: I'm looking for amarok-gstreamer ... I cannot find it.. And there's a confusion in gstreamer's version, no ?
[10:23] <apokryphos> tabs are ok, but it gets way to unpractical when you have *many* documents open.  I mean, the decision is (K)Ubuntu's or amarok's ?
[10:25] <Riddell> OdyX: amarok only has gstreamer 0.8 support, but 0.8 is obsolete
[10:25] <Riddell> decision is kubuntus
[10:25] <OdyX> Riddell: I see that... and what about 0.10 ?
[10:25] <sredna> Well, if firefox is using the sun plugin (which it claims) something is wrong. Or do I need to restart my session?)
[10:25] <frank23> Riddell: dapper kubuntu will use xine as default for kaffeine and amarok, right?
[10:26] <Riddell> frank23: yes
[10:26] <apokryphos> sredna: firefox session? Yup. Not anything else though.
[10:26] <dipnlik__> sredna: what kind of labels do you want in kdepim ?
[10:26] <OdyX> Riddell: we have a lot of gstreamer .10 in the repos... but nothing for including with kaffeine or amarok...
[10:26] <sredna> The java I have shows a blinking star while loading, is that correct?
[10:26] <OdyX> it's not only "default", it's more "there's nothing else" (without talkin' about crappy arts)
[10:26] <frank23> Riddell: that should resolve alot of the multimedia problems for kubuntu. I still wonder why breezy kubuntu used gstreamer. hoary used xine as well
[10:26] <Riddell> OdyX: yes
[10:27] <apokryphos> I presume so; but my problems with java in the past are frequest =)
[10:27] <sredna> dipnlik__: I mean that if I have a contact with 10 home phone numbers or 10 email addresses, I need to label them to be able to know which is which, and they refuse to implement that, meaning again that kaddressbook is useless in many cases
[10:27] <Riddell> frank23: because gstreamer is nicer technically so we want to support it, also at the time there was no shippable xine package but xine in main now has all the patented codecs removed
[10:28] <declano> hi all.  Can someone help with partitions and installing?
[10:29] <sredna> Now how the hell did that happen -- if I install firefox, does it become the default browser?????
[10:29] <dipnlik__> sredna: i didn't use kdepim extensively. you mean in kaddressbook you can't say a telephone is from home or from work?
[10:29] <frank23> Riddell: well, even if choosing xine for dapper was because gstreamer was not available, I'm still glad the result is xine ;) will network-manager make it into the default installation?
[10:29] <sredna> dipnlik__: They have hardcoded labels
[10:29] <apokryphos> sredna: nope; for kde default is set in kcontrol -- installing shouldn't alter it.
[10:29] <sredna> dipnlik__: But that is not enough.
[10:30] <sredna> apokryphos: So how come I just clicked a link in ksirc, and it started ff instead of konqui?
[10:30] <dipnlik__> sredna: ah, ok. really weird
[10:30] <Riddell> frank23: network manager should go on live when it passes main review, same as for ubuntu
[10:30] <apokryphos> sredna: only thing I can presume is a setting from ksirc itself
[10:31] <dipnlik__> sredna: maybe they are waiting for evolution to have this? :P
[10:31] <frank23> Riddell: ok. so it will be in main but not installed by default?
[10:31] <sredna> dipnlik__: Again, my kids - some have a home phone with mom and one with dad, and to distinguish, I must put the label in the number data - there is no way to do it 'right'
[10:31] <sredna> apokryphos: I have used ksirc since 2001, and this is the first time clickin a http link didn't activate kfmclient
[10:32] <dipnlik__> sredna: well, i am used to it this way. not that i think it is really the best option, but hey, everything has some workarounds...
[10:32] <apokryphos> sredna: kfmclient could still send out ff, though, right?
[10:32] <sredna> apokryphos: Uhm, if the default browser changed
[10:32] <sredna> I didn't change it though
[10:32] <apokryphos> as the setting is controlled from kcontrol/systemsettings -- it's worth double-checking
[10:32] <sredna> I know where it's set
[10:33] <sredna> But if the package chanted it, I need another distro
[10:33] <apokryphos> :)
[10:33] <sredna> Installing some software does not mean I want it as default!!!!!
[10:33] <apokryphos> of course
[10:33] <apokryphos> sredna: firefox is not even kubuntu's browser
[10:34] <apokryphos> it'll just be a bug, if that is the true behaviour that you're experiencing
[10:34] <Riddell> frank23: yes (at least that's how it is for ubuntu, and I'll just follow whatever they do)
[10:34] <sredna> Hm
[10:34] <sredna> It's a bit frustrating that there seems to be no really convincing message anywhere about what java system is actually used
[10:35] <sredna> _:(
[10:35] <apokryphos> sredna: ls -lh /etc/alternatives/java ?
[10:35] <frank23> sredna: java -version
[10:35] <sredna> apokryphos: Why would I trust that?
[10:36] <apokryphos> sredna: because that's what /usr/bin/java should direct to
[10:36] <apokryphos> which is what firefox uses
[10:37] <sredna> Hm, getting an older version of sun java requires registration :o
[10:37] <apokryphos> sredna: what version do you have running there? dpkg -l|grep sun-j2re
[10:37] <sredna> Hm, that is the correct one
[10:37] <dipnlik__> can amaroK auto-organize media files like itunes or mediamonkey do on windows?
[10:37] <sredna> Sigh
[10:37] <apokryphos> dipnlik__: auto-organise into what?
[10:38] <apokryphos> dipnlik__: by their meta-tags? Of course.
[10:39] <frank23> Riddell: I wanted to test kubuntu Flight 6. In system settings, when I selected configure interface, system settings crashed. I also had problems with kdesu. It worked the first few times but after kdesu didn't work at all
[10:39] <dipnlik__> apokryphos: customized way? (itunes is hardcoded into <artist>/<album>/<track number> <title>)
[10:39] <dipnlik__> apokryphos: monkey is better, even has if else conditions ^^
[10:39] <sredna> Something changed not the default browser setting, but the file association for text/html, so the kubuntu firefox package is BROKEN
[10:39] <apokryphos> dipnlik__: that's default amarok, too.
[10:40] <frank23> Riddell: I think I ran into this bug https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/35581
[10:40] <apokryphos> sredna: please make a bug report, then :)
[10:40] <apokryphos> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[10:40] <apokryphos> sredna: are you on dapper?
[10:40] <dipnlik__> apokryphos: ok, thanks. now i'm doing a list of things i do on windows to see if i'm able to go kubuntu without losing anything :)
[10:40] <sredna> apokryphos: Yes
[10:40] <apokryphos> you should be expecting bugs, then.
[10:41] <sredna> apokryphos: Does that allow to have so silly a bug?
[10:41] <apokryphos> sure; dapper is broken until its release date.
[10:41] <frank23> sredna: it's not released, what do you expect? the whole point of the preview releases is to fix bugs
[10:42] <sredna> Why does the fact that its a newer version allow to do stupid regressions?
[10:42] <sredna> But I'll report it
[10:43] <apokryphos> sredna: you misunderstand -- it's not that it's a newer version. It's that it's the *development* version.
[10:43] <_harm> i have really low FPS when i play games :S any ideas how i can fix this?
[10:44] <sredna> Mumble
[10:44] <apokryphos> :)
[10:44] <sredna> I dont want to register accounts right now :(
[10:44] <frank23> _harm: do you have 3d accelration working? try glxinfo | grep direct     do you get direct rendering: yes?
[10:44] <apokryphos> sredna: but I know what you mean
[10:44] <apokryphos> sredna: it's real quick :P
[10:45] <sredna> I think I need to remove any java related package except sun jre
[10:46] <declano> anyone able to help with partitioning during installation??
[10:46] <frank23> declano: what do you want help with?
[10:47] <declano> I want to install kubuntu breezy on a machine with dapper.
[10:47] <declano> when i try to use the main partition the install freezes
[10:47] <declano> it wont partition the drive
[10:47] <sredna> It does not work
[10:48] <frank23> declano: the installer freezes?
[10:48] <declano> yeah
[10:48] <frank23> declano: that obviously should not happen. maybe someone in #ubuntu+1 ca help
[10:49] <declano> it says please wait while it partitions the drive but doesnt move on. says 0% for ages #
[10:49] <frank23> declano: or try to do the partitioning with something else
[10:49] <dyrne__> declano can you just use cfdisk to partition the drive before hand?
[10:49] <declano> can i use that using kubuntu live cd? Thats what i am on now
[10:50] <_harm> frank23 sec
[10:50] <dyrne__> declano yes sudo cfdisk /dev/hdb for example
[10:50] <frank23> declano: i don't remember. try running qtparted
[10:50] <declano> bit of a story, but basically i updated to dapper and xorg didnt install. so I reckon if i install breezy separately, copy my files and then delete the dapper partition that could work
[10:51] <declano> thanks dyrne and frank23! I appreciate the help!!
[10:51] <declano> I'll have a go
[10:55] <_harm> frank23 i crashed :P sorry
[10:55] <_harm> frank23 when i entered ur cmd- direct rendering: Yes
[10:55] <frank23> _harm: so 3d acceleration should be working then...
[10:55] <_harm> yes
[10:56] <frank23> _harm: then what is the problem
[10:56] <_harm> frank23 but when i play CS via Wine it just sometimes freezes for a couple of seconds
[10:56] <_harm> or well like 10
[10:56] <declano> Hi again. Sorry How do i create a partition on which to install using cfdisk
[10:56] <declano> ?
[10:56] <frank23> _harm: then it works again? most likely a problem with wine
[10:57] <_harm> frank23 ok well ill run cs via wine again and ill see if it works.. does it have anything to do with ATI drivers?
[10:58] <frank23> _harm: I don't know. wine is far from perfect. maybe check the transgaming forums to see if cedega users have similar problems
[10:59] <Danny> how do I do this without an internet connection?
[10:59] <Danny>   sudo apt-get install wpasupplicant
[10:59] <sredna> I bet the danish banking organizaion is not the most bleeding edge place in the world
[11:00] <frank23> Danny: transfer the .deb (and its dependancies if any) some other way.  then install using  sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[11:00] <Danny> where should I place file.deb?
[11:00] <frank23> Danny: anywhere. your home directory it doesnt matter
[11:00] <declano> Hi, anyone able to help with cfdisk?
[11:01] <Danny> where is the download link?
[11:01] <frank23> Danny: I think you can download .deb files at packages.ubuntu.com
[11:01] <Danny> thanks :)
[11:02] <frank23> Danny: AFAIK wpa is not that easy to configure though.
[11:03] <Danny> but I need to config it though :(
[11:04] <Danny> then how do I config it?
[11:04] <Danny> via the directions from that link?
[11:04] <frank23> Danny: check the wiki and forums I guess
[11:05] <Danny> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WPAHowto?highlight=%28wpa%29
[11:06] <frank23> Danny: I think so yeah. It will probably be easier in dapper. not sure about it though
[11:07] <Danny> ok thanks :)
[11:08] <Danny> brb in a bit :D
[11:08] <declano> Anyone able to help with using cfdisk on live cd to make a partition for kubuntu?
[11:10] <sredna> Make-japkg refuses blackdown j2re-1.4.2
[11:10] <sredna> :\
[11:11] <dyrne__> declano what problem were you having in  cfdisk?
[11:12] <declano> not a problem; a lack of expertise. I'm a beginner. How do I make a partition without losing my data?
[11:12] <declano> thanks for helping
[11:12] <sredna> Oh, there is an actual package with somtthing like that
[11:13] <frank23> sredna: you can get blackdown java from the ubuntu repositories
[11:13] <dyrne__> you dont have any freespace on drive? you want to make 2 partiitons form one?
[11:15] <declano> yeah. I have a current install of kubuntu dapper. I want to divide that partition, leavng the data, so I can install breezy. Its so i can then copy files over and then lose breezy: it didnt install properly!
[11:15] <declano> thanks dyrne
[11:17] <_alex> hello does anyone know what I have to type in the konsole to update kde?
[11:18] <dyrne__> declano cfdisk is basically only useful for created partition from available freespace
[11:18] <dyrne__> declano for what you are trying to do maybe gparted. take a look at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=105255
[11:18] <My8os> _alex: http://zerlinna.blogspot.com/2006/03/update-kde-352.html
[11:18] <dyrne__> declano or qparted
[11:19] <declano> ah thanks. So it is possible?
[11:19] <dyrne__> declano yes
[11:19] <dyrne__> declano fairly common but ive never doneit
[11:20] <declano> thanks I appreciate it!
[11:21] <declano> have a good evening!
[11:21] <declano> bye
[11:21] <sredna> HA, the danish bankers applet works with blackdown java
[11:21] <sredna> [*]  webbank
[11:24] <_alex> My8os: thank you very much
[11:30] <Gordo> s
[11:40] <_alex> hello I have a realteck sound card, but I cant make it work does anyone know what could be the problem?
[11:41] <Danny> I'm back :D
[11:41] <Danny> what is the psk?
[11:59] <KDEfanboy> what is the package listing for kubuntu
[11:59] <KDEfanboy> live cd