[00:00] <NRyan115> ini*
[00:00] <James147> NRyan115: windows dosnt matter in this case... /boot is a unix folder
[00:00] <James147> and should be under your / partition
[00:01] <NRyan115> then it should be the same partition
[00:01] <NRyan115> BUT, how can I be sure that I will be able to boot back into windows after?
[00:02] <James147> NRyan115: windows is able to reinstall its own boot loader from the instalation disk if somehting goes wrong
[00:03] <NRyan115> I know that, but I dont want to get into it - I was always told that grub gets auto installed and auto detects other boot options and friends who dualboot windows and linux said there should be no issues. So, after installing kubuntu and not having grub installed makes me nervous
[00:05] <James147> NRyan115: :) my guess is that grub installed its self to the wrong MBR record... (the wrong hard drive)
[00:05] <NRyan115> But, it is about supper time for me, so I will wait untill after I eat to try this. So - since I do not know who will and will not be arround by then can I get those 3 links now so I can save them?
[00:05] <NRyan115> what was that fellows name? it started with a C
[00:06] <James147> NRyan115: (one thing you could trybefore you do it is changing the drive boot order in the bios)
[00:06] <NRyan115> There is no drive boot order
[00:06] <NRyan115> its like youve never used raid before
[00:06] <NRyan115> after my RAID controll bios boots it is seen as one drive
[00:07] <ikonia> NRyan115: are you using fake raid ?
[00:07] <NRyan115> so it just shows "floppy, cdrom, ftarray (raid array)"
[00:07] <NRyan115> fake raid?
[00:07] <NRyan115> its not software based
[00:07] <ikonia> NRyan115: yes, what raid card is it
[00:08] <ikonia> NRyan115: is it onboard on your motherboard ?
[00:08] <NRyan115> it is onboard yes. I am using RAID 5
[00:08] <ikonia> NRyan115: it's fake raid
[00:08] <ikonia> software based
[00:08] <ikonia> welcome to a world of pointless pain
[00:09] <NRyan115> Its not software based, the array is setup in the bios
[00:09] <ikonia> it is software based
[00:09] <ikonia> I promise you
[00:09] <ikonia> !fakeraid
[00:09] <ikonia> it's a terrible technology, it requires a software driver to see/use that bios
[00:09] <ikonia> it's support in linux is poor
[00:10] <VonSpyder> Okay this is annoying. i edited xorg but it still always reloads in lowest resolution FTW
[00:10] <ikonia> I would strongly advise you either a.) don't use it b.) buy a true hardware raid controller c.) use linux software raid instead of fake raid
[00:10] <NRyan115> The raid array is already setup. I cannot use linux software raid, it will destroy my data
[00:11] <ikonia> how did you put data on it ?
[00:11] <ikonia> in windows?
[00:11] <NRyan115> Ive been using it for 3 years with XP dualboot Vista
[00:11] <ikonia> ok, fake raid fail then
[00:11] <NRyan115> I want to replace XP with Kubuntu
[00:12] <ikonia> I would very very strongly advise you to just buy a stand alone disk for ubuntu then, as fake raid is very poor in linux
[00:12] <NRyan115> I dont understand hwy you keep calling it fake raid - it is not software raid in windows or linuze it has a dedicated raid controller chip
[00:12] <ikonia> it IS fake raid
[00:13] <NRyan115> linux*
[00:13] <NRyan115> My bios boots, thenit goes to my raid controller bios where I setup my disks in an array before it even reaches software
[00:13] <ikonia> NRyan115: ooh dear
[00:14] <ikonia> for the OS to see that raid array, the OS needs a software driver
[00:14] <ikonia> it's fake raid
[00:14] <xangua> hi there, good evening.
[00:14] <ikonia> and its terrible
[00:14] <xangua> So i was trying a bootlable usb with kubuntu 10.04.1 and the network manager doesn't show the networks. I also tried with lubuntu and ubuntu and they do, what could be the reason because of this¿ using atheros by the way
[00:14] <ikonia> it's famous
[00:14] <NRyan115> it needs a hardware driver to communicate with the hardware controler card yes, just as my video card does, but its not a fake video card using software rendering
[00:14] <ikonia> NRyan115: no
[00:15] <ikonia> NRyan115: please do some more research, it's fake raid
[00:15] <NRyan115> You need a hardware driver even for an $800 RAID addon card
[00:15] <NRyan115> I have used them before
[00:15] <ikonia> NRyan115: please do some more research
[00:15] <NRyan115> they both need drivers
[00:15] <ikonia> it's fake raid
[00:17] <NRyan115> You are not being helpfull at all and it is becomming annoying. ... well that annoying that you arent helping, but annoying that instead of helping you just keep saying 'fake raid' over and over again in a teasing mannor instead of explaining anything at all
[00:17] <ikonia> NRyan115: I've explained it
[00:17] <NRyan115> Your claim that a stand alone non integrated raid card would not need drivers is not true
[00:17] <ikonia> NRyan115: it's a fake raid controller, that are famously bad in linux, I've provided you some links for help with fake raid
[00:18] <ikonia> NRyan115: that's not what I said
[00:18] <NRyan115> How is it fake raid? your only proof is that it requires a driver
[00:18] <NRyan115> all hardware requires a driver
[00:18] <ikonia> NRyan115: there are two levels of drivers, 1.) a driver for the interface card (in windows driver part 1 and 2 are bundled) 2.) the software driver to see / interact with the fake bios
[00:18] <ikonia> NRyan115: let me guess you can't get your Linux machine to see the raid array ?
[00:19] <surunveri> hi can anyone telle me how to make Java work with firefox.. it works with konqueror
[00:21] <NRyan115> No, originally I put in the install dvd, it saw my 1 raid 5 array and each of my partitions. But gave me an error durring install saying cannot create ext4 file system. So after comming here for help, I followed the suggestion of booting from the livecd first and then installing - which worked fine. It said you must restart to complete the installatin, and when I restarted it brought me to
[00:21] <NRyan115> the windows boot manager instead of grub. So now I have kubuntu installed but cannot load it
[00:21] <ikonia> because it's a fake device that the OS isn't aware of
[00:21] <NRyan115> the install and live cd saw it fine
[00:22] <ikonia> because they have software loaded with the reverse engineered windows drivers
[00:22] <ikonia> the support is very poor - but it is there
[00:22] <ikonia> (it's mentioned in the URL's I posted earlier)
[00:23] <NRyan115> even if you are right, then for what possible reason AT ALL would they be including durring setup and durring live boot and not after installation?
[00:23] <NRyan115> that doesnt evne make sence - its like putting candy in the display for a dentist office window
[00:23] <ikonia> NRyan115: because liveboot - your not booting from the fake device, you load a kernrel which loads the fake device
[00:23] <ikonia> NRyan115: grub is dumb - it doesn't have the capability to load kenrel modules to support fake devices
[00:24] <ikonia> NRyan115: if it was a real raid device it would be presented to grub as a disk without the need for software, and it would load
[00:24] <ikonia> as it's not, grub just see's multiple disks on the controller and thus can't load as the file system it needs to read is not there
[00:24] <NRyan115> but that doesn make sence because again, pci raid card need drivers too
[00:25] <ikonia> you're not listening
[00:25] <ikonia> I'm not talking about drivers to interact with the device
[00:25] <NRyan115> grub isnt loading at all
[00:25] <ikonia> the fake raid array is actually a software raid array
[00:25] <LineVass> NRyan115: I've never used those onboard controllers, but I think his point is that your drives are connected through the MOBO's ide.... whereas a "true" raid controller will have its own IDE to connect the drives to it, then present to the mobo's. a "true" controller is transparent to the OS
[00:25] <ikonia> NRyan115: yes, because it's on a device that doesn't exist
[00:26] <xangua> So i was trying a bootlable usb with kubuntu 10.04.1 and the network manager doesn't show the networks. I also tried with lubuntu and ubuntu and they do, what could be the reason because of this¿ using atheros by the way
[00:26] <LineVass> While your RAID is in fact handled by a dedicated chip (as opposed to pure software), the OS still needs to handle it through a driver.. hence the "fake" part
[00:26] <NRyan115> but everythign needs a driver - I do not comprehend your two different versions of drivers anology
[00:26] <ikonia> ou're not listening
[00:27] <ikonia> NRyan115: it's not to interact with the hardware
[00:27] <ikonia> it's to understan the layout of the raid
[00:27] <NRyan115> I am trying to listen
[00:27] <LineVass> The pure hardware raids, usually extra pci cards, will look like a new IDE chain to the OS
[00:27] <ikonia> it's like a micro-software raid application built into the driver
[00:27] <LineVass> so they just use normal ide drivers
[00:27] <ikonia> the first driver allows you to hit the device as a dumb controller (jbod) the second is a micro raid controller software that SHOULD live on the chip, but doesn't
[00:28] <NRyan115> if that was the case then there would be no need for the chip at all that doesnt make sense
[00:29] <ikonia> NRyan115: it does make sense
[00:29] <ikonia> you just don't want to accept it
[00:29] <NRyan115> no if the chip isnt doing anything then why is there a chip?
[00:30] <ikonia> the chip stores the config and manages the interaction of the drives
[00:30] <NRyan115> ok, exactly
[00:30] <ikonia> that config is useless without the software raid controller being loaded by the OS
[00:30] <NRyan115> its not like the chip is a giant splitter to add more ports
[00:31] <ikonia> no - it's a cheap hunk of rubbish that requires software to manage it
[00:31] <ikonia> or it would be an $1200 raid controller card
[00:31] <NRyan115> then why does it exist
[00:31] <ikonia> why does what exist ?
[00:31] <James147> NRyan115: the point being that software is used to managed the raid array rather then being fully done in hardware...
[00:31] <NRyan115> why would this chip exist if its the same as software raid, when you dont need a chip for software raid?
[00:32] <ikonia> NRyan115: if you don't understand fakeraid - thats fine, but you need to start accepting it's what your using and it's a poor technology in linux
[00:33] <James147> NRyan115: I think because it handels `some` stuff to make it easier for OS... but still does all the actual stuff in software
[00:33] <NRyan115> and, finally, my final point even if you are 100% right and the chip is a useless piece of junk then why the frick can this work in windows and not linux if linux is supposed ot be better?
[00:33] <ikonia> NRyan115: because the driver is written for windows closed source, the linux version is reverse engineered and poor
[00:34] <James147> NRyan115: because dam hardware manufactures develop drivers for windows and sometimes ignore linux
[00:34] <NRyan115> I cannot fathom why this would exist in such a mannor. If the hardware developers have the write the software to do the raid anyways, why not put it on the chip?
[00:35] <James147> NRyan115: more cost...
[00:35] <ikonia> NRyan115: why do you think your motherboard cost $200 and a hardware card is $1200
[00:35] <James147> NRyan115: maunfactures are stingy and try to make things as cheap as possible
[00:36] <ikonia> a true hardware raid controllers has a nice little cpu and ram on it, better to make your motherboard/cpu/ram do the work for a tenth the price
[00:37] <James147> NRyan115: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID#Firmware.2Fdriver-based_RAID_.28.22FakeRAID.22.29  explainds it quite well
[00:38] <NRyan115> If what you are saying is true, then from the standpoint of the chip designer (who I would most fully understand since microcontrollers is what I went to college for) then it doesnt make seny sense to solve a raid problem in this mannor. It is not as if they are having time or money in the hardware because they still have to spend time writing the software "driver" to perform the RAID. I find
[00:38] <NRyan115> it hard to believe they simply tried to save $1 in cost to lower the price of the controler card from $800 card to $10 motherboard chip
[00:38] <LineVass> honestly, if you were doing it from scratch on like a linux file-server... softraid's probably safer just because you aren't reliant on a raid controller that can die
[00:39] <ikonia> NRyan115: if you believe it or not - that is the truth
[00:39] <NRyan115> ok well again the issue is that I have a 3 drive raid 5 array i have been using for eyars. I am not willing to redo everything just for this installation
[00:39] <LineVass> ikonia: the problem for that is that he's got to then make soft-raid work in windows
[00:39] <ikonia> NRyan115: then don't put linux on it
[00:39] <ikonia> LineVass: cross-os raid = true hardware only
[00:40] <NRyan115> And stop telling me to accept the truth I havent said you were wrong
[00:41] <ikonia> you have stated to me a number of times it's true hardware raid when I told you it was software
[00:41] <James147> NRyan115: it or is possible to install it to the external if there is enough space (linuc only need little more then 15 gigs)
[00:41] <ikonia> so you have told me I am wrong
[00:41] <LineVass> NRyan115: I'm assuming all 3 of your drives are exactly the same size right?
[00:41] <NRyan115> I am trying to understand and I am only arguing about sub points that didnt make any sense - I am not the type to blindly believe anything anyone says so I was simply questions what did not make sense to me
[00:42] <NRyan115> correct they are the same size
[00:42] <LineVass> Yeah, and if you've already got 3 on a chain, plus probably a cdrom... you're probably out of IDE slots
[00:42] <NRyan115> ok
[00:42] <NRyan115> first
[00:42] <NRyan115> everything si SATA II
[00:43] <NRyan115> second.... ok there is no second
[00:43] <LineVass> well, your drive controller... i think they still are 4 to a controller;
[00:44] <NRyan115> I believe I have more sata ports but I do nto have any money for a new drive
[00:44] <LineVass> I think the point is that if you're going to make this work you're going to have to have some way to get the drives (that ikonia indicates are poor) working before you can access the raided drive
[00:44] <LineVass> drivers i mean
[00:45] <NRyan115> also let me ask another question that doesn't make sense to me. At the risk of hearing you tell me to accept it again
[00:45] <LineVass> now... the question is, and i don't know the answer, maybe ikonia does, will those drivers fit into the mbr, or are you going to need a separate boot partition that's not raided to hold those drives (so that you can then load the main os which would reside on your raided drive)
[00:45] <NRyan115> if I was using 100% software raid, then I would still only have 1 drive containing my mbr right?
[00:46] <ikonia> correct
[00:46] <ikonia> that's why you can't  have /boot on a raid 5 partition
[00:46] <NRyan115> and 100% hardware raid they would all have equal mbr
[00:46] <ikonia> unless it's a true hardware raid partition
[00:46] <ikonia> no
[00:46] <LineVass> MBR'd be striped in that case
[00:46] <NRyan115> errr
[00:46] <NRyan115> not with raid 5, but with raid 1 they would both have the same mbr
[00:46] <ikonia> no
[00:47] <ikonia> the mbr is only mirrored in hardware raid
[00:47] <NRyan115> that is what i said
[00:47] <NRyan115> in 100% hardware raid
[00:47] <NRyan115> assuming raid 1
[00:47] <ikonia> ok, in a %100 hardware mirror, they would be the same
[00:47] <NRyan115> ok, and what I have is neither, but your saying closer to software
[00:47] <ikonia> it is software raid
[00:48] <ikonia> it is not hardware raid
[00:48] <NRyan115> ok, but I know for a fact that if I setup a raid 1 array using this fake raid, and unplug one drive it still boots
[00:48] <NRyan115> I have done it on another computer
[00:48] <LineVass> right. cause raid-1's mirroring
[00:49] <NRyan115> yes but software raid doesnt copy the mbr
[00:49] <ikonia> NRyan115: within the windows OS, it's not software
[00:49] <LineVass> 3 types of raid: pure software, "fake raid" or hybrid (whatever), pure hardware raid
[00:49] <ikonia> (well it is, but the software is controlling hardware functions"
[00:49] <ikonia> )
[00:50] <NRyan115> I dont feel likeyou answered my question.   You agreed that software raid 1 doesnt copy the mbr, and yet fake raid does so doesnt that make it closer to hardware.... or at minimum closer to neither
[00:51] <ikonia> NRyan115: this is now offtopic for kubuntu
[00:51] <ikonia> NRyan115: we have explained the limitations of how fakeraid works within linux
[00:51] <ikonia> it's up to you how you take it forward
[00:51] <James147> NRyan115: I think the point of fake raid is to allow the boot process to be in the raid enviroment... the hardware firmware handles the boot process then switches to software when the os can take over (if i under stand it correctly)
[00:52] <NRyan115> james I guess we are moving to private chat now
[00:52] <NRyan115> thank you again for your help
[00:53] <NRyan115> very much
[00:53] <James147> NRyan115: the point being that it is all done in software... where as with 100% hardware then entire thing is done in inside the controller (it has its own dedicated cpu and ram)
[00:55] <mikanen> uhh hello
[00:56] <mikanen> could someone help me figure out why i can't connect to a windows share?
[00:59] <mikanen> no one awake?
[02:11] <benjamin01> I'm having an issue where an external drive (powered externally via wallwart) is randomly unmounting. Any ideas what could be wrong?
[02:24] <Renegade15> good evening
[02:24] <Renegade15> would somebody happen to have kdesvn with unmodified external tool settings at hand?
[02:42] <illunatic> !sh
[02:42] <illunatic> !tty
[02:43] <illunatic> hm sh: cannot access tty < when i boot from a mondo restore disk
[03:54] <ARGGG> [ http://radio.supertorrents.org:8000/listen.pls ]tune un live set!
[04:06] <murk> yoooooooo
[04:07] <PricklyPillow> Would someone here try connecting to https://ctsi.ufl.edu and telling me if the site is up?
[04:10] <wea0> PricklyPillow: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ctsi.ufl.edu
[04:13] <PricklyPillow> wea0: that's really cool.. thanks
[06:01] <rynbox> hello,Guild Wars works great with wine 1.3 with kubuntu:)
[06:05] <elslunko> Sweet :)
[06:06] <rynbox> Any body try kde 4.5 ?does it work well
[06:10] <rynbox> wouldnt updating kde in synaptic be bad.howdo i kill x and get console without it running
[06:10] <elslunko> Not here. In fact I just installed kde after a year of gnoming around.
[06:10] <rynbox> never spent much time in gnome
[06:11] <elslunko> Out of curiosity, what web browser do you use?
[06:12] <rynbox> mostly use kde and icewm
[06:12] <rynbox> firefox
[06:14] <rynbox> ide like to know why i cant get a console without x running in the buntus please?
[06:16] <elslunko> You can enter console via ctrl+alt+f1. To kill x you'd have to log out before going to the tty 1 and then stopping gdm/kdm. I believe the command to stopping kdm is sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[06:18] <rynbox> elslunko: thanks, but kdm is not in init.d
[06:18] <elslunko> hmm not sure then, I'll poke around
[06:20] <rynbox> elslunko: i tried what some others said typing  service kdm stop  its says its stopped/waiting but it really is not
[06:20] <elslunko> So x never gets killed.
[06:21] <rynbox> nope
[06:23] <rynbox> ide like to try kde 4.5 but im to afraid todo it with x running:(
[06:26] <rynbox> it would be nice if ya could get a buntu without upstart
[06:29] <rynbox> elslunko: well thanks for repyling,im going to play guildwars seeya
[06:29] <elslunko> Have fun
[06:30] <frogonwheels> elslunko: btw it's just   sudo stop kdm
[06:30] <elslunko> frogonwheels: Thanks!
[06:30] <frogonwheels> restart kdm   start kdm
[06:30] <frogonwheels> .. though there should be an init.d script that wraps it anyway
[06:37] <tortoise7> hi folks, i am on ubuntu, want to use Kmail and apparently need Kwallet.... i have the Kwallet manger but not the wallet..... pointers?
[07:20] <jschall> well, i installed kde 4.5 from the backports ppa, and stuff just keeps crashing. wouldn't recommend.
[07:22] <well_laid_lawn> it seems you need to either make a new user or rename .kde
[07:22] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: already did that
[07:23] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: having the same problems
[07:24] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: if i try to adjust desktop effects while they're not suspended - kwin crashes, basically have to switch to a tty and kill kdm completely to get back.
[07:24] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: it also just crashed on me completely so that i had to shutdown the computer
[07:24] <well_laid_lawn> you're sure the graphics are set up right?
[07:25] <well_laid_lawn> it is new tho - so some greif is to be expected
[07:25] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: what do you mean? the graphics drivers?
[07:25] <well_laid_lawn> yep
[07:25] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: it's an intel netbook
[07:25] <well_laid_lawn> k
[07:25] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: i have the latest graphics from a ppa as well
[07:25] <well_laid_lawn> !ppa
[07:26] <well_laid_lawn> WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and should be used at your own risk.
[07:26] <jschall> i know that
[07:26] <well_laid_lawn> there's a price for using the absolute latest
[07:26] <jschall> mmm, changing the wallpaper makes things blow up
[07:26] <jschall> of course, this is on plasma-netbook
[07:26] <jschall> so ymmv
[07:27] <jschall> mmm, some xorg updates available
[07:27] <well_laid_lawn> you're using desktop effects with the onboard netbook graphics - you can't ask too much of it
[07:27] <jschall> libgl1-mesa-dri, libgl1-mesa-glx, libglu1-mesa, xserver-xorg-input-evdev.
[07:27] <jschall> would those potentially change what's happening?
[07:28] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: they worked PERFECTLY on 4.4
[07:28] <well_laid_lawn> could only help from the sounds of things :]
[07:28] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: completely smooth
[07:28] <well_laid_lawn> there's a price for using the absolute latest...
[07:28] <jschall> yeah
[07:28] <jschall> i know
[07:28] <well_laid_lawn> I haven't tried 4.5 yet 'cause of that
[07:29] <jschall> there's a price for using old software too
[07:29] <jschall> but at least it works, usually
[07:29] <well_laid_lawn> yep
[07:32] <jschall> sometimes i wonder if the people who claim kde is focusing on imitating windows aren't completely correct
[07:33] <jschall> because now they've gone to a white icon theme for the notification area
[07:33] <jschall> which is very windows-y
[07:33] <well_laid_lawn> I haven't seen a windows comp in years - I like the blue tho :]
[07:34] <well_laid_lawn> *in kde
[07:34] <jschall> i guess they changed the theme from "oxygen" to "air"
[07:38] <jschall> hmm
[07:39] <jschall> idk
[07:44] <well_laid_lawn> jschall: does it go ok without desktop effects?
[07:45] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: not relaly
[07:45] <well_laid_lawn> k
[07:45] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: i'm going to have to reinstall the os on the netbook
[07:45] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: probably switch to ubuntu netbook edition
[07:46] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: since 4.4 kubuntu netbook is generally buggy
[07:46] <well_laid_lawn> jschall: didn't you say that 4.4 worked?
[07:46] <well_laid_lawn> k :]
[07:46] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: it works, it just has quirks
[07:46] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: a lot of them
[07:48] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: how can i completely remove all kde packages?
[07:48] <well_laid_lawn> there's
[07:48] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: i haven't found a good way to clean up after removing a ppa
[07:48] <well_laid_lawn> !puregnome
[07:49] <well_laid_lawn> I don't know if it covers ppa stuff tho
[07:49] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: hmm. we'll find out. if i can't use it to revert back to 4.4, then i'll have to reinstall
[07:50] <well_laid_lawn> jschall: it takes about twenty min here to reinstall - I have a separate home partition to make that sort of thing easier
[07:51] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: yeah, so do i
[07:51] <well_laid_lawn> :]
[07:54] <jschall> 396 packages to remove
[07:54] <jschall> fun fun
[07:54] <jschall> plus some that need to be autoremoved
[07:54] <jschall> hey, i guess i can grab the complete list of packages that are in the ppa and remove those
[07:54] <jschall> then remove the ppa and reinstall kubuntu-netbook
[07:55] <well_laid_lawn> sounds good
[07:55] <well_laid_lawn> watch out for dot files
[08:15] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: holy crap. i think this is actually going to work.
[08:16] <well_laid_lawn> woot!
[08:17] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: i sure will be impressed if it does
[08:17] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: all i'll have to do is put my old home directory back
[08:17] <well_laid_lawn> jschall: you ended up reinstalling?
[08:17] <jschall> well_laid_lawn:
[08:17] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: no
[08:18] <well_laid_lawn> k
[08:18] <well_laid_lawn> why do you have to put your home dir back then?
[08:18] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: because i replaced it with a blank one when i upgraded to 4.5
[08:18] <well_laid_lawn> jschall: that was smart :]
[08:19] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: i might still reinstall.
[08:19] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: i'm thinking i want to try something other than kde
[08:20] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: although
[08:20] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: compiz blew last time i tried it
[08:20] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: not well integrated into gnome at all
[08:20] <well_laid_lawn> jschall: I have compiz as a standalone wm and it works fine when I use it
[08:21] <well_laid_lawn> which isn't often
[08:21] <well_laid_lawn> jschall: you can try the other desktops in your present install
[08:21] <well_laid_lawn> !unr
[08:21] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: i know
[08:22] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: i might try that. have you tried it?
[08:22] <well_laid_lawn> jschall: yep - just select from the session button at login - works fine here
[08:22] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: no, i mean unr
[08:23] <well_laid_lawn> jschall: nope - don't use a netbook - I have chubby fingers :]
[08:23] <jschall> netbooks with fullsize keyboards can be had
[08:23] <jschall> my netbook is 92% and i type faster on it than on a desktop kb
[08:23] <well_laid_lawn> aren't they just underpowered notebooks then?
[08:24] <jschall> nope
[08:24] <well_laid_lawn> I use a pent3 lappy for vids on the deck and that's about it
[08:25] <well_laid_lawn> gesktops ftw!
[08:25] <well_laid_lawn> desktops ftw!
[08:25] <jschall> they're faster than your pentium 3 lappy!
[08:25] <well_laid_lawn> heh :]
[08:25] <jschall> for sure
[08:25] <well_laid_lawn> it plays hd vids fine
[08:26] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: anyway, netbooks are smaller and lighter and have longer battery lives in general
[08:27] <well_laid_lawn> jschall: they do seem to get 3+ hrs from what I've read
[08:27] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: mine gets 8-12
[08:27] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: the good ones have 6 cell batteries and last 8-12 hours
[08:27] <well_laid_lawn> jschall: that wouldn't be playing vids tho
[08:27] <well_laid_lawn> ?
[08:27] <jschall> no, not constantly playing video
[08:28] <jschall> of course not
[08:28] <jschall> that would be mostly idle time
[08:28] <well_laid_lawn> sweet
[08:30] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: normal use would probably get you 6-8 hours
[08:30] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: i would think
[08:31] <well_laid_lawn> jschall: you can't argue with that - I like a bit more screen real estate since I don't do much that needs portability
[08:31] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: yeah, that's what they're short on
[08:31] <jussi> Hrm, I need to convert a flv to SWF at the same resolution/quality. how would I go about that?
[08:32] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: you can get ones that are 1366x768
[08:32] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: but most of them are 1024x600
[08:33] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: i thought i'd have a major problem with that, but it hasn't been a big issue for web browsing
[08:33] <well_laid_lawn> jschall: I guess it comes down to what you use it for :]
[08:34] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: i intend to use it in classes
[08:34] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: partly for coding and taking notes, but mostly for browsing comedy websites
[08:35] <well_laid_lawn> jschall: I've read the 1.6Ghz of the netbooks doesn't equate to the 1.6Ghz of a pent4 for example
[08:36] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: clock speed is useless for judging a cpu
[08:36] <well_laid_lawn> jussi: does the -sameq switch in ffmpeg not work for flv?
[08:36] <well_laid_lawn> jschall: yep :]
[08:36] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: and a pentium 4 is 10 year old hardware
[08:38] <well_laid_lawn> jschall: that was just an example - I wouldn't do ./configure too much on a netbook :]
[08:39] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: something messed up my screen brightness and it reverts to 0 (backlight off) every time i start X
[08:40] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: well, i guess i'll have to wait for kubuntu netbook 10.10
[08:41] <jschall> well_laid_lawn: before i try 4.5
[08:43] <jschall> i hate kde's calculator
[08:43] <jschall> i have to install gcalctool every time
[08:43] <jschall> kate loses vs gedit too, i think
[09:00] <phoenix_> hello everyone
[09:01] <phoenix_> on logon , a taskbar item remains, when i close it, the desktop workspace crashes
[09:02] <phoenix_> !paste
[09:03] <phoenix_> http://imagebin.org/110933
[09:04] <phoenix_> see the first item in the taskbar
[09:05] <phoenix_> developer crash report --> http://paste.ubuntu.com/482237/
[09:05] <well_laid_lawn> that's the "show desktop" one isn't it?
[09:07] <well_laid_lawn> phoenix_: that's more for #kde I would think - or launchpad
[09:08] <phoenix_> well_laid_lawn: hello well_laid_lawn, i found that the program beagle search used it
[09:08] <well_laid_lawn> o
[09:08] <phoenix_> well_laid_lawn: this occurs not only for beagle, for any program using certain type of display method
[09:09] <phoenix_> well_laid_lawn: like vlc
[09:09] <phoenix_> well_laid_lawn:  what will be the cause?
[09:09] <well_laid_lawn> phoenix_: I'm the wrong bloke to mention that to - if the above channels don't help there's #kubuntu-devs
[09:10] <well_laid_lawn> or ask again in a bit phoenix_ :]
[09:10] <phoenix_> well_laid_lawn: ok, i will try that. where can i find the autostart settings
[09:13] <well_laid_lawn> phoenix_: I'm not on a kubuntu bow atm and have never had to worry about doing that sorry
[09:13] <well_laid_lawn> s/bow/box/
[09:13] <phoenix_> well_laid_lawn: ok, so you are in ubuntu?
[09:14] <well_laid_lawn> phoenix_: I'm on an Archlinux box with fluxbox as the wm now
[09:14] <well_laid_lawn> my multimedia box :]
[09:15] <phoenix_> well_laid_lawn: who is archlinux?
[09:16] <well_laid_lawn> phoenix_: it is a rolling distro that's really up to date and can be very light
[09:17] <phoenix_> well_laid_lawn: ya, i saw the repos and got stunned, everything is latest and some of the softs are well supported
[09:18] <well_laid_lawn> phoenix_: all I need is a menu and video/audio mostly :]
[09:18] <phoenix_> well_laid_lawn: have you tried xbmc live
[09:19] <well_laid_lawn> phoenix_: yep - it used a lot of resources here with all the plugins etc
[09:20] <phoenix_> well_laid_lawn: ya. enjoy. i am going now.see you
[09:20] <well_laid_lawn> phoenix_: bye :]
[09:21] <phoenix_> well_laid_lawn: bye
[09:25] <zzillezz> most of the linux audio programs use way too much resources
[09:25] <zzillezz> there are exceptions of course :-)
[09:26] <well_laid_lawn> I still use xmms 'cause of that :]
[09:33] <moldy> hi
[09:34] <moldy> i have installed kubuntu on an x100e thinkpad. it freezes more or less randomly upon kde start. any hints on how to fix, or debug, this?
[09:34] <Asinine_Work> hey
[09:34] <Asinine_Work> what files do i install for the kdevelopment platform
[09:35] <Asinine_Work> i see dbg - bugs and 1 other one
[09:56] <alvin> moldy: Freezes, or a blank screen with blinking cursor from time to time?
[10:15] <moldy> alvin: freezes
[10:15] <moldy> alvin: it's not even responding to pings
[10:16] <alvin> No idea there. Does 'reboot until it works' is a workaround?
[10:16] <moldy> alvin: meanwhile, i found a bug report which i think is related: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/591699 i am currently trying to test it with the latest mainline kernel
[10:16] <alvin> Let me rephrase that...
[10:16] <alvin> Ah, you have a Thinkpad?
[10:17] <moldy> alvin: yes, x100e
[10:17] <alvin> It'll probably that bug. I can't test. I have another model Thinkpad
[10:18] <moldy> how do i configure grub so i can select the mainline kernel at boot time?
[10:18] <Psy0rz> will lucid eventually get kde 4.4.5 or do i need to use ppa?
[10:18] <moldy> i don't see the grub boot menu, i guess the timeout is set to 0 seconds? i am not familiar with grub2 yet
[10:19] <moldy> ah, shift... never mind
[10:22] <moldy> with 2.6.36-999-generic, the screen goes blank when i try to switch from x to the console. i can still ssh into the box, though.
[10:22] <ovidius> Hi. Is there a way to completely remove uBlog from my desktop? Is is not shown on the desktop anymore, but still in the running Plasmoids list.
[10:24] <moldy> the same happens when i log out of kde :)
[10:28] <amichair> moldy: recently I had trouble with consoles and X, and reinstalling plymouth-theme-kubuntu-logo is what eventually fixed it. I don't know if this is relevant in your case.
[10:29] <moldy> amichair: i don't think it is, but thanks for mentioning the idea
[10:34] <moldy> ok, now the next challenge is to get wlan working :-/
[11:04] <justin_> Is there an evernote frontend for Kubuntu, or does anyone know of an altenative cloud-based note taking service that integrates with KDE?
[11:16] <Strashniq> anyone alive to help me ?
[11:18] <justin_> Ask your question, maybe someone will reply if they know (assuming they're also alive) :)
[11:19] <Strashniq> yeah
[11:20] <Strashniq> so i tried yesterday to install ubuntu , kubuntu or xubuntu ,used both desktop and alternate CDs/checked md5 and burning process was ok/
[11:20] <Strashniq> i tried both 9.10 and 10.04
[11:20] <Strashniq> on the 9.10 i got flickering screen
[11:20] <Strashniq> sometimes i got 1 picture split half on top of screen half on bottom
[11:21] <Strashniq> on 10.04 -just flickering screen
[11:21] <Strashniq> i tried the safe graphics mode on 9.10-no result
[11:21] <Strashniq> i got old SIS VGA,got intel chip and 800+ ram/some is shared with the VGA/
[11:22] <Strashniq> what else can i try to do -to install the ubuntu/kubuntu or the xubuntu
[11:22] <justin_> Can you at least access a terminal (Ctrl + Alt + F1)?
[11:23] <Strashniq> never tried -i `m new in linux
[11:23] <Strashniq> i will try now
[11:23] <justin_> No worries
[11:23] <Strashniq> ok i go to try now ,will come online after that
[11:24] <justin_> Oh so you're dual booting?
[11:24] <justin_> Hmm
[11:24] <Strashniq> yeah
[11:25] <Strashniq> i `m planing to keep the win7 until i learn more about the linux
[11:25] <justin_> It's been a while since I've had xorg issues... but from memory, if you can access the terminal run these commands:
[11:26] <justin_> Run: "lspci" and note down the model of your graphics card
[11:26] <Strashniq> ok
[11:27] <justin_> Open your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file with, I guess, nano,  so run "nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[11:27] <Strashniq> that is before the installation ?
[11:27] <justin_> Ohh, it's not actually installing?
[11:27] <justin_> Damn
[11:28] <Strashniq> nah
[11:28] <justin_> lol :(
[11:28] <Strashniq> i just press install /set safe graphics before/
[11:28] <Strashniq> then i got
[11:28] <Strashniq> flickering screen
[11:28]  * justin_ needs to learn to read better
[11:29] <Strashniq> the question is -can i run it ?
[11:29] <Strashniq> and the other one -if someone has 8.10 -is it possible to share it
[11:29] <justin_> Although, it might be worth looking at those settings anyway if you can get access to the terminal
[11:29] <Strashniq> ok i will try now
[11:30] <justin_> That way we can at least google search problems with that specific model
[11:36] <JustSuds> Hey, on a scale of 1 to 10, roughly how good is driver availability/compatibility with kubuntu?
[11:37] <gnomefreak> would depend on driver i would guess :)
[11:38] <jussi> JustSuds: what gnomefreak says, but pretty good overall - linux supports more hw out of the box than any other os
[11:39] <JustSuds> Thats nice to know. Just curious. lol. Thanks
[11:41] <phoenix_> is there a wine channel , wine developers channel is preferable
[11:42] <gnomefreak> #winehq
[12:12] <truefx> hi guys
[12:12] <truefx> i ve got a problem with my oracle 11g installation
[12:12] <truefx> i catn ask any question in oracle channel i donno why
[12:13] <truefx> during my oracle installation i am in prerequisite checks phase and there are so many failed options
[12:13] <truefx> first of all "how can i cchange runlevel 3.5 from actual 2 value ?
[12:26] <Asinine_Work> i need a little help
[12:26] <Asinine_Work> can anyone help me out
[12:27] <Asinine_Work> ?
[12:29] <helene_> Hi everyone... Can someone tell me how to enable the touchpad module in System Settings, or at least how to just turn off scrolling?
[12:33] <helene_> !touchpad
[12:33] <rork> !ask | Asinine_Work
[12:34] <Asinine_Work> oh yea
[12:34] <Asinine_Work> why is kdevelop gui not showing up
[12:34] <jussi> helene_: Im pretty sure its under input devices
[12:34] <Asinine_Work> says process already running
[12:34] <helene_> jussi: It is, but it's all greyed out. :\
[12:35] <jussi> helene_: curious, it is too. not sure on that one
[12:36] <helene_> What's weird is I could've sworn it worked on *my* laptop right after installing KDE 4.5 (I'm setting this one up for my grandmother).
[12:37] <gnomefreak> i feel i have seen someone else with that problem
[12:38] <helene_> Well, it *was* working on my laptop. Of course, now it's broken there too.
[12:38] <helene_> That wouldn't be a kernel issue, would it? I haven't rebooted since the last kernel upgrade.
[12:39] <gnomefreak> helene_: i highly doubt kenrel has anything to do with it. more likely that it is only kdevelop causing the problem
[12:40] <gnomefreak> s/kenerl/kernel
[12:40] <gnomefreak> kdevelop should have nothin gto do with kernel directly
[12:40] <gnomefreak> please forgive my typos
[12:41] <helene_> KDevelop? Umm, are we talking about the same thing (the touchpad module in System Settings)?
[12:41] <helene_> No prob. :)
[12:42] <helene_> Ahh, I see. You got Asinine_Work and myself mixed up.
[12:42] <gnomefreak> oh sorry
[12:43] <gnomefreak> that will teach me to act smart today
[12:44] <helene_> hehe Can't count how many times I've done the same thing.
[12:47] <helene_> Anyone run into website compatibility issues with recent builds of Chromium? I'd like to put it on my g'ma's laptop since it's such a p.o.s., but not if she's gonna run into issues with it.
[12:49] <gnomefreak> i dont have much of an issue with it but i dont use it for every day
[12:49] <gnomefreak> im also using daily builds
[12:50] <helene_> You run into any stability problems due to that?
[12:51] <gnomefreak> helene_: nope
[12:51] <gnomefreak> there was an issue with flash+chromium but its gone AFAIK
[12:52] <helene_> Interesting... I'll take that into consideration, thanks.
[12:52] <gnomefreak> np
[12:52]  * gnomefreak starts to feel smart :)
[12:53] <helene_> hehe
[12:53] <helene_> I'm curious-- what's a Gnome freak doing in the Kubuntu channel? :P
[12:55] <gnomefreak> helene_: im an op in here plus i still use it sometimes
[12:56] <helene_> That's cool... I've made several attempts at using both, but I always feel so boxed in when I try to use Gnome. KDE has spoiled me with too much configurability. haha
[13:01] <gnomefreak> i use kde gnome xfce enlightninglment and others but those are the most fequant
[13:02] <helene_> Enlightenment's nice. I just wish to god they'd reach a level that's suitable for a stable release.
[13:13] <Asinine> hey where do i download kdev4 while in ubuntu
[13:14] <Asinine> i have ubuntu but i switched desktops to KDE
[13:16] <Pici> Asinine: It looks like you need to enable the backports repository to install kdevelop
[13:25] <howlymowly> hi poeple...  i got the problem of making an ad-hoc wifi connection with kubuntu...  this does not work somehow...  knetworkmanager fails with this task... any idea?
[13:30] <anna__> salve
[13:33] <truefx> hi guys
[13:33] <truefx> I ve got question
[13:34] <truefx> how can i increase max number of open file descriptors ?
[13:34] <selkies> can't use wlan in Kubuntu 10.04.1 .. i am new to Linux.. can anyone help me out?
[13:35] <truefx> use knetworkmanager
[13:36] <selkies> truefx: i don't know whether my WLan is been recognised or not?
[13:38] <anna__> salve
[13:39] <anna__> !list
[13:42] <dhuv> From looking at Kubuntu's site, it seems that adding "deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid-proposed restricted main multiverse universe" will allow me to upgrade to KE 4.5. When I do an apt-get update and upgrade, I am getting a lot of packages (kde packages) that are held back
[13:42] <dhuv> what is the best way to upgrade 10.04 to KDE 4.5?
[14:06] <anna__> come si usa
[14:06] <anna__> come si usa il vostro canale
[14:28] <sobczyk> hi, is there any other app for bluetooth except for kbluetooth?
[14:29] <sobczyk> kbluetooth can't connect with my n900
[14:39] <otswim> is it risky to resize a partition and create another one with a live cd?
[14:40] <sobczyk> yes if your power goes down
[14:41] <otswim> it's a laptop
[14:47] <otswim> my computer is very slow, and the drive seems slow on the live cd too, is there a way to fix it?
[14:48] <surunveri> hi
[14:48] <surunveri> can anyone recommend a spider program for linux/kubuntu
[14:48] <surunveri> im not very good with linux but i would need to download this website for offline use
[14:48] <sobczyk> if you're fluent with cli you could use terminal, or use live cd with a lightweight window manager
[14:49] <surunveri> ahh nevermind I checked extras and they have the site downloadable...... :---D
[14:53] <rork> otswim: how much memory do you have?
[14:53] <otswim> rork: 3GB
[14:54] <otswim> 2GB free on the live cd
[14:54] <rork> hm, should be enough :P
[14:56] <rork> otswim: you could check if there's a program that uses a lot of resources with System monitor or top
[14:57] <otswim> rork: no everything seems fine
[14:57] <otswim> should i resize the partitions or run e2fsck, which one is the less risky?
[14:58] <dhq> need help to configure 5.1 sound on my laptop
[14:58] <sobczyk> fsck is usually low risk operation
[14:58] <sobczyk> though it wont resize your partition
[15:08] <dhq> need help to configure 5.1 sound on my laptop
[15:25] <KukuNut> amarok beta in maverick yet? 5 days ago it was announced in kde.org
[15:26] <James147> KukuNut: #ubuntu+1 for maverick
[15:30] <slow-motion> hi
[15:30] <dhq> i am using kubuntu 10.04. my laptop did support 5.1 sound on 9.10, but now on 10.04 i cannot seem to get it to work. i have 3 front jacks one of which is a mic jack which i can interchange to be a rear speaker
[15:55] <BluesKaj> hi folks
[15:56] <gnomefreak> hi
[16:00] <glaucous> Is there a built-in way in Kubuntu to schedule tasks?
[16:01] <James147> glaucous: cron  :)
[16:01] <truefx> crontab ???
[16:01] <glaucous> James147: Hm, and it isn't already installed?
[16:01] <James147> glaucous: it should be... everything works off of it
[16:02] <glaucous> James147: Oh okay, thought it had a GUI at first
[16:03] <James147> glaucous: i remember kde did have a gui for it... but i am failing to find it atm
[16:03] <glaucous> No worries, just have to learn how to configure it
[16:03] <James147> !crontab
[16:03] <glaucous> Nice, thanks
[16:05] <James147> glaucous: ...ah got it in system settings after i installed "kcron" :)
[16:08] <glaucous> James147: Installed kcron, can't seem to find how to start it though
[16:08] <James147> glaucous: in system settings "Task manager" (might be on teh advanced tab)
[16:08] <glaucous> James147: Yeah thanks!
[16:11] <El_Caballero> Hello. I have a dude. My hard disk sometimes is using so much (reading and writing). How can i see what process is doing that?
[16:12] <El_Caballero> I have enough ram. It is not the problem.
[16:16] <suspiria> ChatRoulette Clone http://chatlandia.net/
[16:17] <Pici> suspiria: Please don't advertise here, this is a support channel.
[16:20] <Guest21205> !ping
[16:20] <glaucous> James147: Perhaps you know a good way to do the following in one command. I need to rsync to a specific directory, and the directory should be named by "NAME year-month-day". It's just the date part I'm confused about doing in one command.
[16:20] <James147> glaucous: `date` should work
[16:22] <James147> glaucous: well... with the appropate arguments on date :)
[16:22] <glaucous> James147: So would mkdir date +%m-%d-Y work?
[16:22] <glaucous> Hm I can just try myself >.<
[16:22] <James147> glaucous: mkdir `date +%m-%d-Y`  should the ` are important
[16:22] <glaucous> James147: yes it did, great
[16:29] <hawkI> ~`
[16:29] <hawkI> !`
[16:30] <hawkI> glaucous: $( date +%m-%d-Y ) will also work and is currently the preferred form.
[16:31] <James147> hawkI: whats the difference in `` and $() ?
[16:32] <glaucous> curious as well
[16:35] <hawkI> James147: when you want multiple levels of nested commands, the ` become a problem.  the $( command ) syntax ends up being a better solution.
[16:36] <BluesKaj> hi James147 , glaucous, interesting that kcron isn't part of the default apps in lucid
[16:36] <BluesKaj> it used to be
[16:36] <glaucous> BluesKaj: Agree
[16:37] <James147> BluesKaj: yeah, was wondering that... my guess is that most people have no need for it and to save space.... but thats only a guess
[16:38] <BluesKaj> i guess those who actually use it also know that running a sartup script in some cases is easier
[16:53] <hawkI> James147, glaucous  The backquote (`) is used in the old-style command substitution, e.g. foo=`command`. This syntax is deprecated in favor of foo=$(command). Backslash handling inside $() is less surprising, and $() is easier to nest. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/082
[16:53] <hawkI> from the bot in #bash
[16:54] <James147> hawkI: thanks
[16:54] <hawkI> np :)
[17:00] <otswim> i've tried to download gparted to resize my partition and create another one, but gparted says that i cannot resize my partition. the hard drive seems really damaged even though i've run chkdsk to try and fix it (windows partition) or ntfsfix
[17:04] <James147> otswim: which partition? the one you are curently using?
[17:05] <otswim> James147: no, i booted on a live cd to try to fix the windows partition
[17:05] <James147> otswim: ahh windows... got a feeling that gparted cant resize windows partitions :) need to do it from within windows
[17:06] <otswim> James147: oh that's why :(
[17:29] <glaucous> When using rsync, will it skip symlinks?
[17:30] <glaucous> Nvm, it does by default
[17:36] <James147> glaucous: man rsync  will tell you all about its options :)
[17:36] <glaucous> James147: yes, I sure have to start using man and grep more often
[17:45] <glaucous> Although this command was a lot harder to search for. I know how to compress a folder with tar, but is it possible to ignore specific subfolders?
[17:46] <James147> glaucous: --exclude=PATTERN
[17:46] <glaucous> James147: Exlude! That's a better word for ignore. Thanks :)
[18:05] <xmarteo> hi everybody
[18:05] <xmarteo> just installed kub on my new dell studio xps
[18:06] <xmarteo> boot time 17 secs from boot to desktop :p
[18:17] <iRy> hi somebody here who could help me?
[18:18] <James147> !help | iRy
[18:19] <iRy> need help to install or load a firmware (Qualcomm Gobi) on lucid (kernel .32
[18:25] <iRy> !help
[18:34] <elslunko> I can't for the life of me figure out how to authorize the Remember the milk plasmoid. I get a pop up but no website to authorize.
[18:39] <James147> elslunko: well there is a big Authenticate button in its settings :)
[18:39] <elslunko> James147: Yeah but when I click it it pops up a window and the window stays blank.
[18:39] <James147> elslunko: hmm, loads a web page ehre :S
[18:40] <elslunko>     Thanks for trying it, let me see if I can see what's wrong.
[18:40] <James147> elslunko: try removing and readding the widget
[18:42] <elslunko> James147: Did, not sure what's wrong with it. I'll figure it out later.
[18:43] <TheLimeRunner> Hello :)
[19:00] <ner0x> What is the name of the ipod plugin package for amarok?
[19:01] <alvin> Is there a way to start Kopete WITHOUT also starting Kontact?
[19:02] <James147> alvin: didnt think kopete did start kontact.... at least it dosnt here
[19:02] <alvin> James147: Maybe your kontact was already open?
[19:03] <alvin> It does here on 3 computers, but I have KDE 4.5
[19:03] <James147> alvin: dont have it open (or at least no window is visable or in teh systray)
[19:03] <phoenix_> my dear friends, i started using linux operating system(kubuntu) from last january, i have learned a lot, i learned programming in qt and today i successfully finished a new kopete library, i thank everyone for extending your support. i will try my best to contribute. thank you all
[19:03] <James147> alvin: have 4.5 here as well
[19:04] <alvin> Hmm, strange. I wish it wouldn't start Kontact here.
[19:05] <James147> alvin: what protacal are you using with it?
[19:05] <alvin> 1 Jabber Account. I'll throw it away to test now
[19:06] <alvin> Nope, even without any account configured, it starts Kontact
[19:07] <alvin> Can anyone else confirm or deny this behaviour? Is it just me, my wife and my collegues?
[19:07] <James147> alvin: you could try resetting kepete (delete or rename ~/.kde/share/config/kopeterc)
[19:10] <alvin> I will
[19:12] <alvin> James147: Nope. Removed kopeterc and apps/kopete. Still launches Kontact
[19:13] <James147> strange...
[19:21] <alvin> Might it have something to do with me being a Kolab user?
[19:22] <mluser-home> Hello, I've been trying for some time to figure out how to add a button to my panel that represents a kmenu group of applications like I could in kde 3.5.x.  Does anyone know how to do this in kde 4.x?
[19:32] <basajaun> hi how do I use drop  to ftp ?
[19:35] <basajaun> only found a description of what happens in ubuntu  go to places connect to server , what is the equivalent in kubuntu
[19:57] <^dos> msg/nick now da"
[20:00] <^dos> [^dos] nick now da"
[20:01] <well_laid_lawn> ^dos: what are you trying to do ?
[20:03] <^dos> I"m trying to change my nick from^dos to "da"
[20:03] <well_laid_lawn> try    /^dos da
[20:03] <^dos> Ty
[20:03] <well_laid_lawn> try    /nick  Danio sorry
[20:04] <well_laid_lawn> try    /nick  da    sorry
[20:04] <Unksi> is there a way of changing the amount krunner shows results in kde 4.5?
[20:06] <da> wow that was easy tu
[20:10] <anand> hello
[20:27] <ner0x> Anyone use Amarok for managing their ipod?
[20:29] <fayaz_> ner0x i do
[20:34] <ner0x> fayaz_: How did you install the ipod plugin?
[20:36] <fayaz_> ner0x i didn't need one...
[20:37] <da13>  /msg nickserv register<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:43]  * fayaz_ leaving
[20:44] <fayaz_> i hope whatever issue you're having gets fixed soon ner0x
[20:46] <seicherlbob> hi there! I'd like to prepare a PC for OEM. I installed Firefox. Now i'd like to set the favourites in the KMenu and the Firefox Shortcut in the Controlpanel for all new users. I know that i need to put the necessary files in /etc/skel, but what are the files?
[20:47] <seicherlbob> i guess that the favourites are saved in .kde/share/config/kickoffrc. But where are the settings for the Control panel saved?
[20:56] <jimmy51_> my device notifier is acting up.  it's still listing some stuff that is no longer connected and isn't listing newly plugged in USB stuff.  how can i have it re-detect?
[21:07] <NRyan115> Question about grub kubuntu and boot partitions
[21:09] <NRyan115> No matter how many times I instlal kubuntu grub does not load after reboot - just my standard boot mgr so wouldnt that mean that grub isnt installing into the correct partition?
[21:09] <NRyan115> windows boot manager*
[21:16] <alvin> jimmy51. I have the same thing. CD's that were in the drive yesterday are showing up twice in Dolphin. If I remove the cd, 1 is left.
[21:16] <alvin> reboot 'fixes' it
[21:18] <NRyan115> how can I install grub so that it boots when I turn my computer on? After I install kubuntu for the first time and reboot it brings me to my same old windows boot manager
[21:23] <alvin> $ sudo grub-install
[21:23] <alvin> $ sudo grub-install /dev/sda
[21:23] <alvin> (The second one)
[21:23] <NRyan115> but I have like 6 partitions
[21:23] <NRyan115> i'm in a live cd right now
[21:24] <NRyan115> kubuntu is installed in /dev/mapper/nvidia_bgbhdedb9
[21:24] <NRyan115> and I believe my windows boot loader is in /dev/mapper/nvidia_bgbhdedb1
[21:28] <alvin> /dev/sda is your disk. Install grub there
[21:28] <NRyan115> but it is not my disk
[21:28] <NRyan115> its 1/3 of my raid array
[21:28] <alvin> How can I say in kaddressbook: 'This contact, that's me'
[21:29] <alvin> ok, take your raid array then, instead of /dev/sda. (/dev/md0 or something)
[21:30] <NRyan115> /dev/mapper/nvidia_bgbhdedb9 is the partition kubuntu is installed on. If I mount that to ~/Test I can see the kubuntu install
[21:34] <NRyan115> but if i grub-install /dev/mapper/nvidia_bgbhdedb9 it errors out
[21:36] <alvin> That's because you try to install grub on an volume. Try your disk(s) instead.
[21:39] <NRyan115> I am new to linux and do not understand what the difference is. The only place I cna access my partitions is through /dev/mapper/nvidia_bgbhdedb(#)
[21:39] <NRyan115> /dev/sda sdb. sdc. sdd. sdd1 all exist
[21:41] <NRyan115> I read, and was told that grub needs ot be installed in my root partition for kubuntu, not just the whole disk
[21:45] <alvin> It depends. If you want to use grub for all operating systems, the whole disk is the right place. Can even be several disks if you use mirror. If you want another version of grub, just use the other version (e.g. The OpenSolaris one, because it supports ZFS) Maybe you want to use the Windows boot manager and chainload
[21:45] <alvin> What kind of RAID is it? SOftware, hardware?
[21:45] <NRyan115> neither its hybrid
[21:45] <alvin> What's hybrid RAID?
[21:45] <alvin> Never heard of it.
[21:46] <NRyan115> fakeraid, and according to the howto i shoulnt be having this problem. I read on forums that all you have to do to fix it is install grub manually
[21:46] <NRyan115> its the kind that is integrated onto motherboards these days
[21:46] <alvin> ah, fakeraid. Yes. tricky
[21:47] <alvin> I'm surprised that even works nowadays. Times sure change :-) Maybe you should install on each disk in that case.
[21:47] <alvin> $ sudo grub-install /dev/sda /dev/sdb
[21:47] <NRyan115> the directions on the ubuntu website didnt work, and I am trying to do like I read on a forum and installgrub manually - but I cant seem to do that
[21:47] <NRyan115> I cant do that its not raid 1 its raid 5
[21:47] <alvin> If you have a mirror, that would be the way to do
[21:48] <alvin> Is that even bootable in Linux fakeraid? In mdadm software raid it is not if I'm not mistaken.
[21:48] <NRyan115> the kubuntu installer seens it as one single disk durring install
[21:48] <NRyan115> and let me pick which existing partition to install kubuntu on
[21:49] <alvin> but doesn't let you choose where to put the bootloader?
[21:49] <NRyan115> and kubuntu did install fine, and according to fakeraid howto on ubuntu website there shouldnt be much problems with this newest version
[21:49] <NRyan115> exactly, that is not an option
[21:49] <NRyan115> err
[21:49] <NRyan115> it is an option
[21:49] <NRyan115> but no matter where I pick it doesnt load grub
[21:50] <alvin> Does grub2 beta even has a fakeraid module?
[21:50] <NRyan115> *supposedly* the problem I am supposed to have (if any) is grub loading and not seeing my array and thus not booting into linux
[21:50] <alvin> Yes, that I can believe
[21:50] <NRyan115> but I cant even get grub to load at all - it goes right to my windows vista boot loader
[21:51] <NRyan115> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto
[21:51] <alvin> Your vista boot loader is on the MBR (maybe even on all disks?)
[21:52] <NRyan115> it even said raid 5 should be ok
[21:52] <NRyan115> its not on all disks its not a mirrors array
[21:52] <NRyan115> its raid 5
[21:52] <NRyan115> 3 disks
[21:52] <NRyan115> 1 stripped 1 parity
[21:52] <NRyan115> 2 striped*
[21:53] <alvin> I know, but where does it find it's boot loader? I'd say, all disks might be the most secure way. After all, if the disk with the MBR on it fails, you can't boot your array. Putting it on all three gives you redundancy
[21:54]  * alvin notices that Launchpad no longer like Opera.
[21:55] <NRyan115> with raid 5 you can loose any 1 disks and be fine because any two can be matched with parity to created a stripped array
[21:55] <NRyan115> so it should be half on one disk, half on another, and the third is for parity
[21:56] <NRyan115> it should be 1 virtual drive
[21:56] <NRyan115> "Since version 8.10 (Intrepid Ibex) Ubuntu has RAID5 support built into the kernel loading the right module. also dmraid is now in the 'main' respository, and can be installed without reconfiguring apt. Once dmraid is running, the live installer can handle installing to the raid."
[21:57] <alvin> Don't mistake dmraid for fakeraid. The're both software raid, but mdadm is different from what you're using
[21:57] <NRyan115> if you view the link I posted you can see that it should basically work - I followed the directions and got to the point where it said "if you see this then you are happy and fine restart and be done" and yet when I reboot nothing
[21:58] <NRyan115> dmraid is for fakeraid
[21:58] <alvin> nice warning on top
[21:58] <NRyan115> it says so on the ubuntu.com help page I linked you to
[21:59] <alvin> oh, it's called that now. I tried enough 8 years ago. Didn't work then.
[21:59] <alvin> aha. and /dev/mapper/nvidia...  I was mistaking that for lvm
[22:01] <NRyan115> also, is kubuntu 10.04 the same as ubuntu 10.04 but with kde?
[22:01] <alvin> It is
[22:01] <NRyan115> because obviousely the directions only have ubuntu 9
[22:01] <NRyan115> but you would think that if it worked in 8 and 9 it should work in 10
[22:01] <alvin> They're indeed chainloading here. The Windows boot loader is used
[22:01] <cornelius> hi i am having trouble installing kubuntu
[22:02] <NRyan115> and like i said, the installer did see it as one drive and recognized my partitions
[22:02] <cornelius> hello
[22:02] <NRyan115> hello
[22:02] <alvin> That is not always the case. LVM booting and snapshotting worked better in previous versions. A lot of boot bugs where introduced in karmic. In Lucid the situation is better, but new ones have been introduced.
[22:03] <alvin> Actually, according to the guide, you're doing it right
[22:03] <NRyan115> i know :p
[22:03] <alvin> But you have to adapt your Windows boot loader (last paragraph)
[22:03] <NRyan115> huh?
[22:04] <alvin> It doesn't exactly say what you have to change in the Windows boot loader
[22:05] <alvin> Well, it's logical. First thing that is seen is the Windows boot loader. (You see it now, when you reboot), but you have to tell Windows there's another operating system (another boot loader) on the disk and tell it should offer you the option of choosing that other boot loader.
[22:05] <NRyan115> what "last paragraph" ? there is only 1/2 page for version 9 and the rest are for older versions
[22:06] <alvin> 11. Dual-Boot configuration. In case of a dual boot with Win7, grub may have some problem to launch windows. An easy solution is to install grub on the linux partition (not the MBR). etc,...
[22:06] <alvin> under 10.04
[22:06] <NRyan115> 10.04 it only has 9.10 are you on a different page?
[22:07] <alvin> No, but it lists several pieces about 10.04
[22:07] <glaucous> Is there a way to reload the "sound system" in Kubuntu? I'm sometimes having a problem that a device stops working, which results in that I have to relog. This often happens when changing the .asoundrc and so on
[22:07] <evdvelde> hi all! who is using akonadi-googledata? It is working for me except for the home addresses etc, which are not synced
[22:10] <alvin> NRyan115: Maybe I'll try it one day. I have a fakeraid SAS here. Would be nice to have Kubuntu on it too. (I use cheap single-disk systems, with /home mounted on an cheap NFS server that has mdadm RAID)
[22:19] <apparle> hey guys... tell me an app for setting password to a pdf file
[23:19] <surunveri> hi
[23:19] <surunveri> could someone help me get java working with firefox
[23:19] <surunveri> it works with konqueror
[23:21] <shadeslayer> !java
[23:21] <shadeslayer> surunveri: ^
[23:23] <surunveri> yeah but it works with konqueror
[23:23] <surunveri> but not with firefox
[23:24] <surunveri> so i think it's probably installed already
[23:24] <shadeslayer> surunveri: no, i think your missing the ff java plugin
[23:24] <shadeslayer> im not on lucid anymore .. so cant really say.. i dont use FF as well....
[23:24] <shadeslayer> i think theres a specific plugin for FF
[23:26] <shadeslayer> surunveri: 64 bit?
[23:26] <shadeslayer> if yes, then https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMD64/FirefoxAndPlugins might be helpful
[23:27] <shadeslayer> idk otherwise :(
[23:27] <surunveri> 64bit?
[23:27] <surunveri> I've an old AMD processor it's probably 64
[23:27] <surunveri> i dont know for sure
[23:27] <shadeslayer> i mean, did you install the 64 bit kubuntu or the 32 bit kubuntu? :)
[23:27] <surunveri> but it's the older one
[23:28] <surunveri> idk :D
[23:28] <shadeslayer> :P
[23:28] <shadeslayer> surunveri: can you open a konsole?
[23:28] <surunveri> it's the termnal window
[23:28] <surunveri> ?
[23:28] <shadeslayer> yes
[23:28] <surunveri> yea im using irssi from that
[23:28] <shadeslayer> ok
[23:28] <shadeslayer> run : uname -a
[23:28] <shadeslayer> if it has x86_64 at the end, its 64 bit
[23:28] <Guest63900> How can I get UbuntuOne to work on Kubuntu 10.04? I have installed UbuntuOne client already but don't know where to go from there.
[23:29] <surunveri> dont see x86_64 anywhere
[23:29] <shadeslayer> is it i686?
[23:29] <shadeslayer> Guest63900: you installed the gnome variant ?
[23:30] <surunveri> yeah i686
[23:30] <shadeslayer> ah well.. no idea :P
[23:31] <surunveri> hm
[23:31] <Guest63900> I used KPacketKit software management and installed ubuntuone client
[23:31] <surunveri> i installed another java but firefox desnt work yet
[23:33] <Guest63900> yes the gnome version not ubuntuone-kde. I updated repositories and tried to install ubuntuone-kde but it couldn't find it.
[23:34] <surunveri> gah why is everything so darn hard with linux :/
[23:35] <James147> Guest63900: http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/08/19/ubuntu-one-the-kde-way/
[23:36] <James147> hmm, ownder where the kde one went :S
[23:36] <James147> wonder ^^ it was there last week when i tryed :)
[23:39] <Guest63900> Thanks. Will take a look
[23:39] <James147> Guest63900: ahh yeah, need to add his ppa --> "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:apachelogger/ubuntuone-kde"  that should allow you to install the kde version
[23:40] <James147> ^^ it also notes that its only supported on 10.10
[23:40] <lahwran> I'm having problems with kde (not with gnome where I am now, but I've decided to switch back), and after the kde splash screen, it fades to black ... and hangs. any idea why? would deleting my kde config dir fix it? I don't care about it's config
[23:41] <James147> lahwran: pobally plasma-desktop isent starting (for what ever reason) you should be able to press alt+F2 to get krunner and launch programs that way (i would start with plasma-desktop to bring back the desktop... if that dosnt work start konsole and launch plasma-desktop from that it should tell you why it is failing)
[23:42] <lahwran> ok
[23:42] <Guest63900> I have done that, and enven checked the repositories in the software management and it shows up. Once I added the repository I did "sudo apt-get update" it still cannot find it
[23:42] <lahwran> can I, from gnome, use the logout->switch user thing to log into kde at the same time?
[23:42] <surunveri> i got the java working now.. thx for helping though it wasnt really related to the solution
[23:43] <Guest63900> Is the it "ubuntuone-kde" that i should be searching to install?
[23:44] <James147> lahwran: that should work
[23:44] <lahwran> good
[23:45] <lahwran> it switched back here. stupid ...
[23:45] <James147> Guest63900: just did it as well... cant see it either, my guess is that he removed it from 10.04 (it dident work very well when i tryed it a couple weeks ago)
[23:46]  * James147 now has a reason to try maverick :D
[23:47] <Guest63900> Is there another way to get it done?
[23:47] <James147> Guest63900: use the gnome version... but I dont know how well it works with kde
[23:47] <James147> Guest63900: or wait for maverick (due october)
[23:48] <Guest63900> I have the client installed but can't find it anywhere.
[23:48] <James147> Guest63900: the gnome one?
[23:49] <Guest63900> yes.. I installed the ubuntuone-client from the software management
[23:51] <James147> Guest63900: got to its prefences by running "ubuntuone-prefences"
[23:52] <James147> Guest63900: cant see a way to launch the systray app though
[23:53] <Guest63900> Thanks for your help. Thought I was doing something wrong.
[23:54] <James147> Guest63900: oo, but it seems to work... created a test file in ~/Ubuntu\ One and it appeared on the site (although I tryed running "ubuntuone-launch" as well)
[23:54] <James147> no tray icon though
[23:55] <James147> Guest63900: but have the precesses "ubntuone-syncd" and "ubuntuone-login" running which I would guess are what handel the login and sync :)
[23:55] <Guest63900> I tried the "ubuntuone-launch" and it didn't work either.
[23:57] <James147> Guest63900: the only part I can get to work is the syncing of ~/Ubuntu\ One directory with the site... cant get a tray icon
[23:57] <James147> and the prefences window
[23:58] <James147> Guest63900: I am afraid that beyond that you might ahve to wait for maverick


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