[08:41] <wastrel> suspekt:  add a line to .bashrc  that says "fortune"
[08:41] <Sphearion> hit tab
[08:41] <william_> its for Linux as well. THats why I switch.
[08:42] <polpak> michael_: you can either do  ~/.wine/c_drive/program\ files/etc Or you can do ~/.wine/c_drive/"program files"/etc
[08:42] <william_> I'm gonna log back in one sec guys :D
[08:42] <Sphearion> linux autocomplete works very well just type progr<tab> and it should finish it ;)
[08:42] <suspekt> linux autocomplete is a godsend
[08:43] <Sphearion> i love autocomplete
[08:43] <suspekt> cisco-os's do it to without it i couldn't do my job
[08:43] <polpak> that's bash actually. many other shells don't have it
[08:43] <Sphearion> my laptop is doing its first ubuntu 6 boot
[08:43] <Lopa> why every one guess i can find kdepim from kde.org
[08:43] <lightstar> bash autocompletes
[08:43] <Sphearion> yes its bash,
[08:43] <michael_> i installed it to
[08:43] <michael_> C:\Program Files\Starcraft\Starcraft.exe
[08:43] <michael_> how would i run that with wine
[08:44] <garryF> I saw kdePim in the repositories searching for kde
[08:44] <kazil> can i dl progz for ubuntu on win, then to copy it to ubuntu and then install it? sorry for bad english
[08:44] <Lopa> can some one give me exact link pls?
[08:44] <william_> Hey!
[08:44] <william_> Wow this is really cool!
[08:44] <something15525> hey all
[08:44] <polpak> there's also a more glitzy shell called fish that is kinda neat
[08:44] <polpak> http://roo.no-ip.org/fish/
[08:45] <william_> Are there any other GNOMES I can try out ?
[08:45] <polpak> william_: you're not using gnome anymore
[08:45] <william_> I'm not??
[08:45] <polpak> william_:  you are using xfce
[08:45] <william_> huh?
[08:45] <william_> lol
[08:45] <suspekt> wastrel, what kind of entry am i supposed to put in here
[08:45] <polpak> william_: it's a different thing
[08:45] <Sphearion> ohh fish does syntax highlighting AWESOME
[08:45] <polpak> william_: you can try out kde if you like
[08:45] <acts> guys i need help
[08:45] <wastrel> suspekt in .bashrc just a new line at the end with the word fortune on it
[08:45] <william_> yeah man, this is still sluggish
[08:46] <william_> whats the command line agian?
[08:46] <rixth> Woo! Bug filing time.
[08:46] <Sphearion> ctrl+alt+f1 --- gui is ctrl+alt+f7
[08:46] <suspekt> wastrel thats all? man thats easy! i was scared i would have to recompile the term with fortune in it or some nonsense. I miss my fortune from slack
[08:46] <polpak> william_: kde won't be faster than xfce
[08:47] <wastrel> mmm .bashrc ;]
[08:47] <Sphearion> xfce is about as fast as they get
[08:47] <suspekt> i thought kde was the slowest one
[08:47] <Sphearion> try fluxbox or blackbox
[08:47] <acts> When I do -GCC and try to compile something.. it says stdio.h not found.. I installed libc6.. what elsed do i need to install?
[08:47] <Sphearion> those might be abit faster (not much)
[08:47] <wastrel> twm
[08:47] <Sphearion> twm would be fast
[08:47] <suspekt> sweet! thanks Wast
[08:47] <Madpilot> acts, did you install build-essential? it'll pull down all the dev tools
[08:47] <polpak> william_: I suspect that your speed issues aren't related to the wm/de, and more related to your video card
[08:47] <lightstar> Sphearion, fluxbox allows ALOT of customization..if ur in2 that sort of thing..luv the unlimited keybind options
[08:47] <dooglus> william_: try "sudo apt-get install fluxbox" - that's about as un-sluggish as you can get
[08:48] <kazil> can i dl progz for ubuntu on win, then to copy it to ubuntu and then install it? sorry for bad english
[08:48] <polpak> william_: what resolution are you running?
[08:48] <suspekt> now another question,  can some one tell me how to make my 'ThinkPad' button launch bash?
[08:48] <dooglus> kazil: yes.  use http://packages.ubuntu.com/ to do that
[08:49] <polpak> Sphearion: fish is in the repos if you wanted to test drive it ;p
[08:49] <kazil> dooglus: thx
[08:49] <suspekt> less i have to use this crappy touchpad or erraser button the better
[08:49] <tonyyaru1so> suspekt: Yes - the ThinkWiki has notes on that (and everything under the sun - good resource)
[08:49] <Sphearion> polpak I downloaded the wrong iso the first time and installed, adn the 2nd dvd I wasted was the live cd... damnit
[08:49] <suspekt> ThinkWiki, check
[08:49] <dooglus> kazil: that'll get you .deb files.  you should "sudo dpkg -i file.deb" to install file.deb
[08:49] <garryF> kazil: It usually works for me, but you must know how to mount your windows drive and copy the files. Iv'e found it usually works.
[08:49] <wastrel> what thinkpad button?
[08:49] <suspekt> so didn't know about this channel... this is awsome.
[08:50] <tonyyarusso> wastrel: Mine's called "Access IBM"
[08:50] <wastrel> the access ibm button?
[08:50] <suspekt> uh the little blue button that comes on a lot of IBMs
[08:50] <wastrel> yeah
[08:50] <william_> my GF just walked in, YOUR CHATTING I KNEW IT
[08:50] <william_> gotta run hehehe
[08:50] <william_> Thanks for the help!
[08:50] <wastrel> i suppose that could be used for something...
[08:50] <suspekt> yeah mine says ThinkPad.     yeah instead of it being usless i am gunna make it a 'launchbash'
[08:50] <tonyyarusso> wastrel: Mine opens the system documentation.
[08:50] <kazil> garryf: my ubuntu is on another machine so i thought to copy it to usb, then copy it to ubuntu
[08:51] <rixth> When reporting a bug in Malone, can I use <pre> tags?
[08:51] <suspekt> i used gnome to make it open home but thats not all that useful
[08:51] <wastrel> documentation! shame on you
[08:51] <Schalken> Hammertime!
[08:51] <rixth> Cause I need something in monospace font
[08:51] <Schalken> (whoops wrong chat window)
[08:51] <garryF> kazil That has worked fine for me doing that way. I'd copy it to a memstick and then from the memstick to some place and run install from there.
[08:52] <Madpilot> rixth, try it, but I don't think Malone takes any formatting
[08:52] <suspekt> hey, tonyyarulso, awsome link
[08:52] <kazil> garryF: whats the procedure to install progz? i`m kinda noob :/
[08:52] <Sphearion> wonder if my wireless will work... hmm
[08:52] <PuGz> hey guys. i have a bunch of wmv files that i can play with mplayer. what is the easiest way for me to turn these into a dvd with one chapter/scene per video? any programs that do this easily for me?
[08:52] <tonyyarusso> suspekt: One of these days I'm going to try the theft alarm script ;)  Lots of cool stuff though, yeah.
[08:53] <Sphearion> PuGz check the forums
[08:53] <garryF> kazil There is usually a readme on the site, or that comes with the program that tells yo how.
[08:53] <kazil> thx
[08:53] <PuGz> spacey, okidoki... any off the top of your head?
[08:53] <Sphearion> nope i just remember seeing a thread about that there
[08:54] <garryF> kazil Welcome.
[08:54] <harry> how do you uninstall frostwire.AnyOS on ubuntu. the command "sudo apt-get remove frostwire" doesnt work
[08:54] <suspekt> it would be awsome if this Wiki can tell me how to make one of my Dimm slots come back to life
[08:54] <PuGz> Sphearion, cool... i will look for it
[08:54] <garryF> Never heard of frostwire. Iheard of firewire.
[08:55] <harry> garryF: whats firewire also never heard of it too
[08:55] <wastrel> harry:  how did you install it?
[08:55] <garryF> harry Me neither.
[08:55] <harry> wastrel: i followed the Installation for AnyOS.zip. i'll give you the link.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[08:55] <polpak> !info frostwire
[08:55] <ubotu> Package frostwire does not exist in dapper
[08:56] <harry> garryF: does firewire used for downloading music, video, and etc???
[08:56] <polpak> harry: no, it's a connection type for drives
[08:56] <harry> ubotu: how do i uninstall frostwire?
[08:56] <ubotu> I know nothing about how do i uninstall frostwire?
[08:57] <garryF> Its a protocol for communciating with external hard drives, It's faster than usb.
[08:57] <harry> polpak: so what do you mean?? could i get rid of it..?
[08:57] <Madpilot> harry, ubotu is a bot
[08:57] <polpak> harry:  did you install it with sudo dpkg -i FrostWire-4.10.9-1.i586.deb
[08:57] <harry> Madpilot: i know. just thought he wud answer the ???
[08:57] <garryF> I misread the tells to me. Mea Culpa
[08:57] <Madpilot> !frostwire
[08:57] <ubotu> I know nothing about frostwire
[08:57] <harry> polpak: no
[08:57] <wastrel> he used the anyos.zip instructions. manual :]
[08:58] <harry> polpak: i followed the Installation for AnyOS.zip. i'll give you the link.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[08:58] <polpak> harry: that's unfortunate
[08:58] <garryF> Might try package manager and search for frostwire, or google it.
[08:58] <harry> polpak: the reason why i want to get rid of it its because i want to reinstall it using the debian package...
[08:58] <dooglus> harry: "sudo dpkg -r Frostwire" to remove it
[08:59] <polpak> harry: if you installed it from those instructions you can remove it by simply sudo rm -rf /opt/FrostWire && sudo rm /usr/share/applications/FrostWire.desktop && sudo rm /usr/bin/runFrostWire.sh
[08:59] <harry> polpak: i choosed to install because i coudlnt use frostwire.deb before
[08:59] <kazil> is: ubuntu desktop guide any good? not to ask all the time some stupid thingz?
[09:00] <polpak> !ubuntuguide
[09:00] <ubotu> ubuntuguide is an inaccurate and outdated resource. Please use help.ubuntu.com or wiki.ubuntu.com instead
[09:00] <leojay> hello, everyone. i want to copy files from one directory to another, but i don't know how to get the result of copy process.
[09:00] <tonyyarusso> polpak: That's not what he means.
[09:00] <harry> polpak: that was quick...
[09:00] <dooglus> leojay: "cp -r" will copy recursively.  $? will hold the exit status after it's finished
[09:00] <tonyyarusso> polpak: the Ubuntu Desktop Guide is from the DocTeam and help.ubuntu.com
[09:00] <didi> ?
[09:01] <garryF> Its been a trend that urls and howtos are the last things to get updated, with the wikis anyone can ammend far as I know so it can mean more up to date info, or more incorrect info.
[09:01] <Madpilot> kazil, the Desktop guide is pretty good - but I'm baised, I helped write bits of it :)
[09:01] <wastrel> leojay:  the return value of cp?
[09:01] <garryF> Nice Mad. :)\
[09:01] <tonyyarusso> kazil: I just ordered it in print form today, so it's worth $6 to me.
[09:01] <dooglus> wastrel: I guess he means the exit status
[09:02] <wastrel> ok i'm down with tha
[09:02] <wastrel> t
[09:02] <kazil> i`ve got it from help.ubuntu.com polpak
[09:02] <polpak> harry: so you removed it?
[09:02] <polpak> kazil: ok
[09:02] <Blaze^^> hello, i had only ubuntu on the laptop and wanted to install windows xp on my free partition
[09:02] <Blaze^^> but now i lost my ubuntu
[09:02] <kazil> madpilot: than it`s no good :P
[09:02] <polpak> !grub
[09:02] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making grub floppys: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToMakeAGRUBBootFloppy - grub howto: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto
[09:02] <Blaze^^> i mean it won't boot, i'm with the livecd now,
[09:02] <harry> polpak: after i pressed enter, it just removed just like that
[09:03] <suspekt> wow... this looks complicated just to make a button do somthing
[09:03] <garryF> I've noted that it easier to read and comprehend a printed guide than one on the monitor. Its as if the refresh rate of the monitor interferes with my comprehension. That is just a guess, but I've noted a lot of users experience the same phenomenon.
[09:03] <hangfire> Blaze you have to install XP first
[09:03] <wastrel> heh.  special button
[09:04] <polpak> hangfire: nah. you just have to fix grub
[09:04] <harry> polpak: another question please with regards to klamav??
[09:04] <Blaze^^> 10x polpak :)
[09:04] <Blaze^^> brb
[09:04] <polpak> harry: I don't use it
[09:05] <harry> polpak: so what do you use for an anti virus free version
[09:05] <polpak> harry: I don't use anything. I just don't get virii
[09:05] <ic56> this is really annoying.  ubotu seems to have forgotten all its stored text and some of its commands too!
[09:05] <Sphearion> so python is the preferred programming language of ubuntu?
[09:05] <harry> polpak: how are you so sure about that??
[09:06] <polpak> Sphearion: python is used for many things. But nothing is really preferred. Most packages on a linux computer are probably written in C actually
[09:06] <Madpilot> harry, there really aren't any Linux viruses out in the wild
[09:06] <suspekt> it says i have to manipulate tpbrc is that a package?
[09:06] <Sphearion> harry its proven that there are only about 3 viruses for linux
[09:06] <rockstar101> I just installed 6.06, but the precompiled kernel hangs at startup.  I copied another kernel I compiled earlier, but I would like to build them from this installation.  Is there a guide to what packages I need to compile a kernel from source?
[09:06] <Sphearion> and you have to be root or sudo run them all (AFAIK) to catch them
[09:06] <harry> Sphearion: and what is that???
[09:06] <harry> Sphearion: is that sophisticated???
[09:06] <harry> Sphearion: is  it that sophisticated???
[09:06] <Flannel> rockstar101: you can get the current source from the repositories.
[09:06] <Sphearion> harry your not understanding me
[09:06] <dooglus> why isn't xubuntu available from http://releases.ubuntu.com/dapper/ ?  kubuntu and edubuntu both are...
[09:07] <Sphearion> LINUX users dont get viruses (9.8 times out of 10)
[09:07] <garryF> There is less infamy attached to writing a linux virus as few use it compared to windows viruses that can cause a big hoopla if it infects a lot of windows machines. More chaos, more newsworthy, more power to cause havoc.
[09:07] <suspekt> how do you know if you have a linux virus?
[09:07] <suspekt> I know what to look for on a windows machine
[09:07] <ic56> !justask
[09:07] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:07] <polpak> Sphearion: I'd imagine it's closer to 9.9999 times out of 10
[09:07] <harry> Sphearion: so you mean what klamav detected on my computer are not viruses??? and the definitions that it shows doesnt affect linux?
[09:07] <ic56> !listkeys windows
[09:07] <ubotu> I know nothing about listkeys windows
[09:08] <ic56> !help
[09:08] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[09:08] <Flannel> dooglus: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/dapper/release/
[09:08] <rockstar101> Flannel: yeah.. I grabbed them using synaptic.  Problem is, there is nothing pre-installed for development.  It would be nice to know a list of packages I need to do this.
[09:08] <Madpilot> suspekt, if you're running Ubuntu, and you haven't done anything dumb WRT the basic setup, you don't have a virus. :)
[09:08] <bimberi> ic56: new bot
[09:08] <Flannel> rockstar101: build-essential
[09:08] <Sphearion> harry depends were you using clam in linux or windows
[09:08] <dooglus> suspekt: we pretend there's no such thing as malware for linux
[09:08] <ic56> bimberi: yeah, well, it sucks!
[09:08] <rockstar101> Flannel: Ah.. I'll try that
[09:08] <Sphearion> and if you were using it in windows then no it does not effect you in linux
[09:08] <polpak> dooglus: well there are worms certainly
[09:08] <Sphearion> and rootkits
[09:09] <suspekt> yeah i doubt a 100 percent my linux box has any viruses.   I am the kind of windows user that dosn't get virii
[09:09] <harry> Sphearion: linux i suppose. ubuntu dapper drake to be exact for the system i'm currently using
[09:09] <kazil> do i have to mount the win drive every time when ubuntu loads up or is there any way to do it just once?
[09:09] <suspekt> but for future teching situations, what would one look for?
[09:09] <wastrel> !mountwindows
[09:09] <Sphearion> suspekt i have leared there are basically 2 ways in windows to get virii, porn sites and illegal download sites ...
[09:09] <ubotu> I know nothing about mountwindows
[09:09] <dooglus> polpak: and the default setup involves running firefox - which regularly has patches for remote exploits, so there are almost certainly lots of unpatched holes still available for the malware to get in through
[09:09] <rockstar101> Flannel: Thank you very much. That looks like just what I need.
[09:09] <polpak> suspekt: I ran windows for 10 years and never had any anti-virus etc. After that time I installed one and it said I had no viruses
[09:09] <cwillu> quick question:  I'm trying to add an smb mount in fstab that can be written to by users;  I can't seem to modify the permissions on the folder though;  they get overwritten as soon as I mount, and don't apply at all if I try it while mounted (including applying them to the '.' entry in the mount)
[09:09] <wastrel> well bleh
[09:09] <suspekt> sphearion, i go to both and my windows box runs clean as a wissle
[09:10] <Sphearion> suspekt nice, I goto both as well and my windows box is clean ;)
[09:10] <cwillu> I need the group to have permissions (the group itself is right, but not the group permissions on the mount)
[09:10] <polpak> suspekt: course now I don't use windows anymore
[09:10] <Sphearion> but linux virii and malware are unheard of
[09:10] <suspekt> can I get voice permission to msg people?
[09:10] <Sphearion> well not completely unheard of. but lesser heard of
[09:10] <harry> wastrel: ask ic56 with regards to that. he's the one who helped me with it
[09:10] <polpak> suspekt: you need to register to msg ppl
[09:10] <garryF> They have discovered a simple device to end all symptoms of stutterying. A device records the voice of the stutter, replays it back with a slight delay and slighty higher pitch and the stutterer hears it and it stops the stuttering. It would be neat to write a pda program in linux or whatever, that could do the same.
[09:11] <fedex> hi!
[09:11] <wastrel> that's interesting
[09:11] <garryF> If only it fixed my stupid clumsy fingers. hehe
[09:11] <suspekt> i still use windows for the directx support
[09:11] <ic56> wastrel: ubotu has forgotten the factoid about fixing windows and mbr.
[09:11] <wastrel> that was a good factoid
[09:12] <polpak> suspekt: meh.. I got tired of having the same games recycled with new paint and sold back to me over and over again
[09:12] <fedex> i have a, uhm, "little" problem...upgraded to dapper the change-repos-name way...and is officialy unbootable..my fault!
[09:12] <IndianGiver> can someone help me with .avi playback?
[09:12] <garryF> It was very interesting. they took the worlds worst stutterer, and turned on the simple device and his stutterring vanished immediately. A linux untility written to do the same on a pda would be a real attention getter for Linux.
[09:12] <IndianGiver> or how to convert it to mpeg
[09:12] <polpak> !restricted
[09:12] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeFormats
[09:12] <polpak> IndianGiver: ^^
[09:12] <suspekt> I agree polpak. thats why I only buy the ones worth buying
[09:13] <polpak> suspekt: which are?
[09:13] <fedex> now i am using a live gnu/linx, and want to update, dloaded both desktop and alt dapper
[09:13] <polpak> suspekt: the only ones I find worth buying are the ones that support my OS
[09:13] <ic56> wastrel: I could replenish ubotu, at least with the factoids that I had created myself but it won't let me.  It says I'm not identified to svs -- though I am.  ubotu is *broken*!
[09:13] <Sphearion> polpak, suspekt i would like to see that short list as well
[09:13] <fedex> i need NOT to delete some folders in my /home, is that possible?? install and not erase from within?
[09:13] <suspekt> I actually bought civ4 (multiplayer) and... uh... thre was one other one
[09:14] <cef> Can someone confirm if WPA with the Atheros/Madwifi drivers is broken in Dapper?
[09:14] <IndianGiver> polpak, it doesnt say anything about avi files
[09:14] <harry> Sphearion: so you mean the viruses that klamav detected are not really viruses. they are just defined virus that only affect other system like windows for example
[09:14] <polpak> IndianGiver: read the restricted formats wiki
[09:14] <suspekt> oh yeah. WoW.   Yeah yeah i know wine is supposed to be able to play it but its yet to work right for me
[09:14] <polpak> IndianGiver: it tells how to install codecs etc
[09:14] <Sphearion> harry do you have windows installed on the computer?
[09:14] <harry> Sphearion: not anymore
[09:14] <fedex> or no way?
[09:15] <Sphearion> does clamav see virii on your computer before or after you took windows off?
[09:15] <IndianGiver> i am polpak
[09:15] <avalost> this is going to take forever (which is why I rarely do it)
[09:15] <garryF> Gnight alll. Cheers.
[09:15] <Sphearion> later garry
[09:15] <harry> Sphearion: windows is completly removed before i run klamav
[09:15] <wastrel> fedex:  i assume /home isn't a separate partition?
[09:15] <Sphearion> what viruses did clamav see?
[09:16] <polpak> fedex: I tend to have /home on it's own partition. When I install new versions or different distros I just mv my home folder to something like /home/tmp, then install the new distribution and don't reformat the home partition.. Then mv my files back into the new home directory
[09:16] <fedex> thanks wastrel, no, not it is
[09:16] <cwillu> documented behaviour for fstab is that the mounts will remember their permissions;  i.e., chmod of the '.' in a smb mount will stick across remounts, and is preferred to added dmask=777,fmask=777 entries in fstab.  Anybody know if ubuntu broke/changed this?
[09:16] <fedex> oh polpak i now! now....but previously I erased, this time  am goinf to install in a dif partition.
[09:17] <harry> Sphearion: i dont remember it. i shutted down klamav because i cant quarantine the detected viruses.
[09:17] <fedex> going, sorry.
[09:17] <wastrel> fedex tar up /home and put it somewhere
[09:17] <Sphearion> harry run it again
[09:17] <harry> Sphearion: well they are something like Gzip...?????
[09:17] <Sphearion> how long ago did you install linux?
[09:17] <Flashq009> Is the ubuntu.com website down or is it just me?
[09:17] <Sphearion> and did you format your whole drive?
[09:17] <Amaranth> works here
[09:17] <polpak> Sphearion: games I play in linux are Puzzle Pirates, Go, Bang Howdy, Savage, Neverwinter Nights, UT2004, Vendetta Online, Tribal Trouble, Warcraft 3, Starcraft, and Wesnoth
[09:17] <Amaranth> Flashq009: ^
[09:18] <goudkov> is there something like a /dev/null directory?
[09:18] <cwillu> Flashq009: can you ping it?
[09:18] <fedex> wastrel its 20 gigs of stuff i do need, and backing it up via CD would take forever....where is that "safe" somewhere?.
[09:18] <Sphearion> nice polpak you using transgaming cedega?
[09:18] <Flashq009> no ping response
[09:18] <suspekt> woo! wesnoth!
[09:18] <harry> Sphearion: well it wud take 8 min just to detect 1, and 3 more hours to detect the 47 rest
[09:18] <polpak> Sphearion: no, just wine
[09:18] <compengi> someohter
[09:18] <Sphearion> really
[09:18] <ashzilla> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=16896&postcount=1
[09:18] <Sphearion> ill keep that in mind :0
[09:18] <compengi> hi
[09:18] <ashzilla> Can someone tell me if this would work in Dapper
[09:18] <harry> Sphearion just this may
[09:18] <Flashq009> now it is responding
[09:18] <cef> Flashq009: they don't accept pings
[09:18] <Flashq009> it was not a few seconds ago
[09:18] <suspekt> i think that whole gaming issue will fade real soon with the launch of Vista
[09:18] <cwillu> oops
[09:18] <polpak> Sphearion: all those games are native except the blizzard ones (warcraft and starcraft)
[09:18] <compengi> from where can i download xchat
[09:18] <Sphearion> so ubuntu has been on there for a bit harry
[09:19] <cwillu> ??
[09:19] <harry> Sphearion: i did format it. i choosed erase entire disk
[09:19] <wastrel> fedex:  hmm :]   scp it to another system via ethernet ?
[09:19] <cef> Flashq009: never mind, they do now it seems
[09:19] <cwillu> yes, ubuntu.com does accept pings
[09:19] <polpak> Sphearion: so most of them don't use wine
[09:19] <harry> Sphearion: yep
[09:19] <Sphearion> hmm polpak can you help harry, he thinks he has virii since may
[09:19] <Sphearion> NWN is linux native now?
[09:19] <suspekt> apperently direct X10 will only work in vista and since i doubt Nvidia and Ati will want to be locked into that environment they will stop using directx   unless i have no clue what i am tlaking about which is possible
[09:19] <ashzilla> Can someone tell me if this would still affect my fonts in dapper: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=16896&postcount=1
[09:19] <polpak> Sphearion: it has been for a long time
[09:19] <fedex> wastrel so there is no other trick? I mean...nor even the alternative .iso I burned has some feature to do this?
[09:19] <harry> Sphearion: no not since may. i just scanned this week..
[09:19] <polpak> Sphearion: you just have to DL the linux client
[09:20] <Sphearion> sweet
[09:20] <Sphearion> harry run the scan again and give me some exact names
[09:20] <fedex> its mostly mp3, so taring wont reduce that much
[09:20] <Flashq009> I want to install opera 9 browser on my ubuntu, how do I do it?
[09:20] <Sphearion> this sucks, my wireless dont work... :(
[09:20] <cef> suspekt: they'll just supply more than one set of drivers
[09:20] <polpak> !opera
[09:20] <ubotu> An advanced and free (only as in price) Web browser. Howto at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OperaBrowser Latest Ubuntu packages always at: http://opera.com/download
[09:20] <compengi> where can i download xchat?
[09:20] <IndianGiver> how would i convert an .avi file to .mpeg?
[09:20] <harry> polpak: can wine install warcraft 3 frozen throne??
[09:20] <polpak> !info xchat
[09:20] <ubotu> xchat: IRC client for X similar to AmIRC. In repository universe, is optional. Version 2.6.1-0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 254 kB, installed size 720 kB
[09:20] <wastrel> fedex:  you could try to shrink your partition with gparted and then install into the new unpartitioned space
[09:20] <polpak> harry: yes
[09:21] <compengi> from where
[09:21] <Madpilot> compengi, it's in Ubuntu's repos - in Universe - use Synaptic or Add/Remove Apps to install it
[09:21] <wastrel> fedex:  there's no easy method :]
[09:21] <polpak> compengi: the universe repository
[09:21] <thoreauputic> !tell compengi about repos
[09:21] <fedex> wastrel i know, going the difficult one!!!!
[09:21] <ashzilla> Can someone tell me if this would still affect my fonts in dapper: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=16896&postcount=1
[09:21] <harry> polpak: so are familliar with DotA allstars??
[09:21] <polpak> harry: yes
[09:21] <thoreauputic> !repos > compengi
[09:21] <thoreauputic> bah
[09:21] <polpak> harry: though I like ToB better. to bad the dev was a prick
[09:21] <harry> polpak: do you play that one??
[09:22] <harry> polpak: whats ToB??
[09:22] <cef> So is WPA with the Atheros/Madwifi drivers is broken in Dapper? Can someone confim this behaviour? I know it used to be broken in Dapper's betas.
[09:22] <fedex> wastrel gparted would help?? i am going to try that.... but you mean I install over the unpartitioned space and it wont erase the whole disk?
[09:22] <suspekt> anyone can tell me if resizing NTFS sys drives to make room for Ubuntu is safe? as in is there good chance of me loosing my windows part?
[09:22] <polpak> harry: Tides of Blood. It's much more skill based. DoTA is all about memorizing the item combos etc
[09:22] <Seveas> cef, these words come to you via wpa+madwifi, so it's definitely not broken for me
[09:22] <Seveas> suspekt, it's safe
[09:23] <harry> polpak: can you give me a link to see it
[09:23] <wastrel> fedex:  you can tell the installer to ignore existing partitions , if there is free space or a free partition to install in
[09:23] <polpak> harry: TOB is more about teamwork and using your hero's strengths and weaknesses
[09:23] <ic56> Seveas: why does ubotu think I'm not resgistered?
[09:23] <faisal_d> morning guys
[09:23] <Seveas> %list users
[09:23] <Seveas> %user list
[09:23] <ubotu> Amaranth, apokryphos, bimberi, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, jenda, Jowi, jrib, LjL, Madpilot, nalioth, ompaul, Seveas, and thoreauputic
[09:23] <cef> Seveas: ok, that's good. just it's still listed on the wiki, but I couldn't get it to work here. hrm. oh well.. will tackle the actual problem tomorrow
[09:23] <ashzilla> Seveas: would this effect my fonts in dapper? http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=16896&postcount=1
[09:23] <suspekt> how does that work with windows clusterpucking harddrives?  I asume i should do a defragment before i try?
[09:23] <C_REATiVE_> re
[09:23] <Seveas> ic56, because you aren't
[09:23] <faisal_d> how do you configure grub in dapper?
[09:23] <ic56> Seveas: /whois me -- you'll see that I am
[09:24] <Hobbsee> ic56: not with the bot
[09:24] <fedex> wastrel: which installer, desktop or alternative dapper? and which "method"...sorry to bother
[09:24] <cef> Seveas: are you using network-manager-gnome (the applet) to control stuff?
[09:24] <IndianGiver> is it even possible to convert avi to mpeg?
[09:24] <ic56> Bobbsee: I have to register with ubotu?
[09:24] <IndianGiver> or wmv
[09:24] <Daniel0> hey, i cant get my internet connection (wireless) to work, can somebody help me?
[09:24] <Seveas> ic56, ubotu doesn't look at chanserv
[09:24] <mandie26> hello
[09:24] <ic56> Hobbsee: I have to register with ubotu?
[09:24] <Seveas> cef, no, I'm using raw wpasupplicant
[09:24] <suspekt> how do i register with ubotu?
[09:24] <suspekt> !register
[09:24] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[09:24] <IndianGiver> w32codecs play .avi files right?
[09:24] <Sphearion> is there a way to apt-get the newest kernel 2.6.17
[09:24] <cef> IndianGiver: yes to both, but I wouldn't bother converting to wmv.. it's crap
[09:25] <Hobbsee> Sphearion: no
[09:25] <Sphearion> grr
[09:25] <ashzilla> Can someone PLEASE tell if the following post would effect my fonts!!! http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=16896&postcount=1
[09:25] <IndianGiver> how would i convert it to mpeg cef
[09:25] <wastrel> fedex:  either one i think - just make sure you're careful during the partitioning part of the installer - keepin mind i've only installed dapper once :]
[09:25] <Seveas> ubotu, tell suspekt about yourself
[09:25] <cef> Seveas: ahh ok.. hrmm.. might give it a shot tomorrow
[09:25] <fedex> wastrel: after i did the upgrade, I fucked the X on breezy...
[09:25] <IndianGiver> i have vampire hunter d bloodlust but its avi
[09:25] <mandie26> i have seen in some screenshot, that there is someway to monitorize cpu, networks, and so on in desktop, in background, just as plain text, what program is that?
[09:25] <thoreauputic> !msg
[09:25] <ubotu> Please ask your messages in the channel so that other people can also benefit. Please don't PM a user in the channel without asking first.
[09:25] <fedex> /register
[09:26] <polpak> harry: http://rapidshare.de/files/14032937/ToBNFinal.w3x.html
[09:26] <faisal_d> Is there a way to configure grub in dapper? i can't find a /etc/grub/grub.conf file
[09:26] <harry> polpak: thanks
[09:26] <IndianGiver> do you know how cef ?
[09:26] <Hobbsee> !grub > faisal_d
[09:26] <grndslm> faisal_d.../boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:26] <thoreauputic> compengi: please read ubotu's message about /msg above
[09:26] <mandie26> faisal_d, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:26] <ashzilla> Can someone PLEASE tell if the following post would effect my fonts!!! http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=16896&postcount=1
[09:27] <wastrel> fedex:  good luck, i have to go
[09:27] <neutrinomass> mandie26: Probably gdesklets...
[09:27] <fedex> wastrel thanx!!!!
[09:27] <mindspit> goodmorning from greece!
[09:27] <thoreauputic> ashzilla: please stop repeating every minute
[09:27] <mandie26> neutrinomass, i should be right..
[09:28] <mandie26> neutrinomass, but it hought maybe just one single app would do the trick
[09:28] <ashzilla> thoreauputic: I'll continue to, until someone new who is browsing the chat actually wishes to help. Thanks, though.
[09:28] <IndianGiver> i installed w32codecs but i still cant play avi
[09:28] <suspekt> woot! registered!
[09:28] <IndianGiver> can someone help me out
[09:28] <mandie26> neutrinomass, i seen it so many times.. is all text, and a lot
[09:28] <neutrinomass> mandie26: Well install gdesklets and put a gdesklet on your desktop ... what's the problem ? :)
[09:28] <suspekt> IndianGiver, you have to use totem-zine
[09:28] <suspekt> xine
[09:28] <thoreauputic> ashzilla: in that case you will be gagged, sorry
[09:28] <IndianGiver> i tried xine
[09:28] <IndianGiver> it plays sound but not video
[09:28] <ashzilla> thoreauputic: Okay.
[09:28] <neutrinomass> mandie26: Yes. A gdesklet shows only text (and an icon or two )
[09:29] <ashzilla> Can someone PLEASE tell if the following post would effect my fonts!!! http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=16896&postcount=1
[09:29] <mandie26> neutrinomass, i haven't found that desklet
[09:29] <grndslm> anybody know of a decent socket a motherboard that i should replace my cheapo generic one with??
[09:29] <faisal_d> hobbsee, grndslm, mandie26: thanx guys
[09:29] <IndianGiver> do you know what to do suspekt
[09:29] <mandie26> neutrinomass, do u know if gdesklets-data has been fixed?
[09:30] <suspekt> Automatix = your thoughts?
[09:30] <neutrinomass> mandie26: I don't know what the problem was, but I used gdesklets a couple of days ago ...
[09:30] <mandie26> neutrinomass, ok, it used to be a problem of dependencies when u tried installing -data :) thx anyway
[09:30] <Madpilot> suspekt, automatix = not a good idea
[09:30] <polpak> IndianGiver: if you install the w32codecs, and install totem-xine you should be able to play avi files
[09:31] <polpak> !automatics
[09:31] <ubotu> I know nothing about automatics
[09:31] <polpak> !automatic
[09:31] <ubotu> I know nothing about automatic
[09:31] <polpak> !automatix
[09:31] <ubotu> automatix is a script that automates installation of some items and has been reported to break your system while doing that, please see http://help.ubuntu.com and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation instead.
[09:31] <neutrinomass> mandie26: Didn't have such problems.... they must have fixed it...
[09:31] <polpak> !easyubuntu
[09:31] <ubotu> EasyUbuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. For help with and discussion of easyubuntu please join #easyubuntu.
[09:31] <MuLLeR> hiya ..... could someone help me with postfix+courier+sasl? coz i can now recieve the emails, but when i send ... it says SASL no secret in database, and authentication failed ...
[09:31] <IndianGiver> they are installed polpak
[09:32] <thoreauputic> !repeat
[09:32] <ubotu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly, if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[09:32] <suspekt> it didn't break my system, just curious what people thought. seemed to do ok installing stuff but it sucks at configuring things
[09:32] <IndianGiver> it keeps giving me MS WMV 8 (win32) not handled
[09:33] <IndianGiver> but i just installed w32codecs
[09:33] <suspekt> IndianGiver i believe this is what you need
[09:33] <suspekt> http://easylinux.info/wiki/Ubuntu#How_to_install_Multimedia_Player_.28xine-ui.29
[09:33] <ashzilla> thoreauputic: I'm leaving the channel, now. Perhaps later others will feel like representing what "ubuntu" stands for.
[09:33] <johnsandman> where can i see if the kernel use both processors?
[09:33] <thoreauputic> !patience
[09:33] <ubotu> The people in this IRC channel are volunteers. Please be patient and polite. The IRC guidelines can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[09:34] <zzzen> howdy y'all. anyone here can help me with a breezy->6.06 upgrade gone bad?
[09:34] <neutrinomass> johnsandman: cat /proc/cpuinfo ?
[09:35] <hoittr> Excuse me, but I have either (A. Found a bug in Dapper) or (B. Am a complete idiot)... When I use the remote desktop tool after changing my default resolution from 1024x768 to 1600x1200 and re-run the remote desktop tool. The vncserver still uses a resolution of 1024x768, and I can not remotely access all of my screen. 1. How can I fix this. 2. If it IS a bug, how do I report it?
[09:35] <johnsandman> ok thanks
[09:36] <linda> typ4 /msg NickServ IDENTIFY linda2
[09:36] <neutrinomass> hoittr: 2. http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug :) I have no idea about your first question though ...
[09:36] <Madpilot> hoittr, not how to fix your bog, but http://bugs.ubuntu.com
[09:36] <linda> type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY test
[09:36] <Madpilot> linda, you're going to have to change your password now, I think...
[09:37] <linda> type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY test
[09:37] <neutrinomass> linda: please stop ...
[09:38] <IndianGiver> its still not working suspekt
[09:39] <IndianGiver> how do i convert it to mpeg?
[09:39] <kazil> !mount
[09:39] <ubotu> Disks store lots of data. Partitioning: try gparted or qtparted  - Formatting: see the manpage for mkfs  - Mounting: system -> administration -> disks
[09:39] <hoittr> Ok, Bug #19284 explains the problem in an opposite way. The responce given was it is a minor bug, however, that was in responce to making the resolution SMALLER.. When the resolution is made larger, you cannot access the rest of the screen to even reset the vncviewer (Even though the problem is with vncviewer and the remote desktop tool not restarting the server on changes)
[09:40] <Madpilot> hoittr, file a new bug, and give a link to #19284 in your explanation
[09:40] <hoittr> So (I'm new to linux, and open support / bug reporting) should I open a new bug report. Or add to the existing one even though it is not exactly the same problem (Extremely similar)
[09:40] <bigfoot1> hi, how do i install fuse (c.f. http://mauricecodik.com/projects/ofs/)
[09:40] <bigfoot1> L
[09:40] <bigfoot1> ?
[09:40] <suspekt> some will some one
[09:41] <Madpilot> !info fuse
[09:41] <ubotu> Package fuse does not exist in dapper
[09:41] <hoittr> Thanks Madpilot, I'm just not sure on the etiquete for bug reporting =P
[09:41] <Madpilot> hoittr, "if in doubt, file" - it can always be marked as a duplicate later
[09:41] <michael_> How do u install dx9 on ubuntu?
[09:41] <neutrinomass> hoittr: If it seems like a different issue, or you're not sure whether its the same issue, file a new one. Only follow up if you are certain :)
[09:41] <nik> directX 9?
[09:41] <michael_> Yeh
[09:41] <suspekt> uh... you can do that?
[09:41] <bigfoot1> Madpilot: so fuse isn't in repo. what can we do?
[09:42] <hoittr> Didnt want to make more work for you already busy developers... Thank you for the guideance.. And THANK YOU for such a wonderfull distro, new to linux, (1 week) but almost completely windows free and loving it.
[09:42] <michael_> What??? all games use dx9
[09:42] <Flashq009> how can i install ubuntu without removing windows?
[09:42] <michael_> why wouldnt linux run it lolz
[09:42] <suspekt> i think thats why most games don't run in linux
[09:43] <michael_> how u instal dx9 on games
[09:43] <Madpilot> michael_, because Microsoft owns DX, and they haven't ever made a Linux port of it...
[09:43] <michael_> :(
[09:43] <michael_> Sniffers
[09:43] <suspekt> (i think he is trolling)
[09:43] <michael_> Time to uninstall all my games
[09:43] <hoittr> michael_: There IS a solution (Albit a not-so-great one) google for cedega
[09:43] <michael_> Weee
[09:44] <hoittr> It is not FOS... But it works.
[09:44] <hoittr> 15$ for three months.
[09:44] <Daniel0> how do i get my wireless internet connection to work? it tells me to enter the wep key but i use wpa!!
[09:44] <michael_> bah no point of installing games
[09:44] <michael_> dont even work
[09:44] <hoittr> If your games use OpenGL instead of DX9 (Most have a command line option for this) try them with Wine (Install wine using apt-get install wine)
[09:44] <Seveas> !tell Daniel0 about wpa
[09:45] <hoittr> michael_:  What games?
[09:45] <michael_> i have wine
[09:45] <Madpilot> michael_, there are Linux-native games, and some will run with Cedega or Wine...
[09:45] <michael_> new ones
[09:45] <michael_> Half-life 2
[09:45] <cwillu> michael_: cedega works with a number of windows games (it's a fork of wine with better dx support);  not free, but pretty cheap
[09:45] <michael_> gta-sa
[09:45] <suspekt> half life 2 is native i thought?
[09:45] <michael_> idk
[09:45] <michael_> jhavent botherd installing :-)
[09:45] <chavo> no hl2 will run on cedega though
[09:45] <Daniel0> somebody help me with wpa please...
[09:46] <michael_> does wine support directDraw
[09:46] <suspekt> i know when i installed UT2k4 in linux it ran even better
[09:46] <hoittr> Cedega will run most games you will need. It takes some tweaking, but eventualy you can get it.. Unless you use an ATI video card, then it takes ALOT of tweaking, and eventualy you MIGHT get it :)
[09:46] <Flashq009> how do I install ubuntu server without removing windows?
[09:46] <hoittr> directDraw is part of the DX API... You would need cedega
[09:46] <michael_> Geforce fx here (Y)
[09:46] <cwillu> michael_: there's limited support in wine;  cedega's been taking some heat for not backporting their dx work into the wine mainline
[09:46] <chavo> yup, I was playing a hl2 mod a little while ago
[09:46] <michael_> :-@
[09:47] <michael_> Can wine run vb6? lol
[09:47] <suspekt> if ATI and AMD merge think ATI drivers will get better?
[09:47] <XTORTION> Hi i deleted some symbolic links but they wont permently remove. is there a command i can do to force them to delete
[09:47] <michael_> Na
[09:47] <dooglus> cwillu: how does that work?  they took the GPL'ed code, modified it, and now sell it and don't offer it for free?  Isn't that illegal?
[09:47] <hoittr> I could only hope suspekt, but I doubt it.
[09:47] <michael_> amd + geforce
[09:47] <cwillu> dooglus: yes, it is
[09:47] <michael_> Can wine install and run Visual basic 6
[09:47] <Agrajag> wine isn't GPL.
[09:48] <dooglus> cwillu: it's available on p2p networks, but that doesn't count!
[09:48] <suspekt> i thought what you paid for in Cadgeda is the updates?
[09:48] <hoittr> Cedega is NOT illegal, they added on to wine through modules. (Or something strange like that) so they are not required to release it under the GPL.
[09:48] <Agrajag> oh, I guess it's LGPL now, I don't think thats always been the case
[09:48] <cwillu> win is lgpl, which is close enough
[09:48] <hoittr> At least thats how I understand it.
[09:48] <Ademan> anyone have any idea why my laptop is unable to power down? it can "shut down" correctly, but then it says "WIll now Halt" and then does nothing, as opposed to actually powering down, i read a diagnostic message that says "acpi disabled by user request" so that's a clue, however, I made no such changes in my /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:48] <XTORTION> Hi i deleted some symbolic links but they wont permently remove. is there a command i can do to force them to delete
[09:48] <suspekt> and can't you get Cadgeda for free if you install the cvs vers?
[09:48] <Ademan> LGPL is better than GPL
[09:48] <detectiveinspekt> where is the auto repo site?
[09:48] <cwillu> see, that's the point of contention;  the modules are useless without the wine mainline
[09:49] <kazil> how to mount the win partition (it`s on another hdd)
[09:49] <cwillu> i.e., they're completely dependant on it, which would technically make it neccessary to be lgpl'd as well
[09:49] <chavo> and if they give the drect draw stuff back then t\they have no product
[09:49] <solid_liq> Ademan: it is acpi; you have to figure out how to reenable acpi on your lappy
[09:49] <cwillu> it's hard to claim that they don't link to the libs
[09:49] <thoreauputic> !source-o-matic
[09:49] <hoittr> cwillu: On that note, crossover office would not work without the linux kernel... Does that make it "Bad(tm)" also?
[09:49] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[09:49] <cwillu> chavo: hardly, codeweavers does quite okay :)
[09:49] <nik> Ademan: do you have "apmd" in your current run level?
[09:49] <Agrajag> not really, because when you link to lgpl code, you don't have to make that code LGPL as well, that's why it's the lesser gpl
[09:49] <bigfoot1> i did "apt-cache search fuse" and found numerous files. what must i do (which files must i install) to get fuse working?
[09:50] <cwillu> hoittr: crossover could be compiled to run under any kernel
[09:50] <Ademan> nik: a proccess right?
[09:50] <chavo> cwillu, codewavers runs hl2?
[09:50] <nik> Ademan: an init script
[09:50] <Ademan> ah, lemme check
[09:50] <chavo> that is cedegas product, runnig games. codeweavers is different
[09:50] <hoittr> True cwillu, but on that note. Couldnt cedega if it was OS?
[09:50] <cwillu> Agrajag: got it backwards;  lgpl lets you make modules that other code includes;  they're writing modules that wine ends up including
[09:50] <Ademan> what do you mean though... runlevel?
[09:50] <suspekt> watch out for all this legality of gpl and lgpl...     in 20 years open source might be a history lesson
[09:50] <GNAM> I need edgy alpha
[09:50] <surpass>
[09:50] <surpass> ?
[09:50] <kazil> any1?
[09:51] <cwillu> quite;  I only said it was a point of contention :)
[09:51] <raphink> suspekt: agreed
[09:51] <raphink> if everything was in lgpl, open-source would be dead by now
[09:51] <Ademan> i hope not, open source is.... important... to say the least
[09:51] <nik> Ademan: do "ls -l /etc/rc2.d/ | grep apmd" - is there an output?
[09:51] <dooglus> 'We call this license the "Lesser" General Public License because it does Less to protect the user's freedom than the ordinary GPL'
[09:51] <cwillu> dooglus: "   This license, the Lesser General Public License, applies to some specially designated software packages--typically libraries--of the Free Software Foundation and other authors who decide to use it.  "
[09:52] <Ademan> anyone have any idea why my laptop is unable to power down? it can "shut down" correctly, but then it says "WIll now Halt" and then does nothing, as opposed to actually powering down, i read a diagnostic message that says "acpi disabled by user request" so that's a clue, however, I made no such changes in my /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:52] <Ademan> crap
[09:52] <XTORTION> Hi i deleted some symbolic links but they wont permently remove. is there a command i can do to force them to delete
[09:52] <Ademan> sorry
[09:52] <Daniel0> "If you do not see a network icon near your power information in gnome, you'll need to install network-manager-gnome." how do i install network-manager-gnome?
[09:52] <Ademan> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 2006-05-25 21:18 S20apmd -> ../init.d/apmd
[09:52] <suspekt> as a liberal (under the true definition of liberal, not the fox news ver.) i really believe in the idea of a general public lisence... its the consept of democratic property
[09:52] <achandra> Hello all.. Does anyone know if the flash-player pluign for mozilla on 64bit systems is broken? as soon as I install it, it shuts down my browser when accessing a page enabled with flash..
[09:52] <raphink> Ademan: acpi support I guess
[09:52] <kazil> how to mount the win part (it`s on another hdd)?
[09:52] <nik> Ademan: then I can't help you; I had the some problem and the apmd script was the solution (before I played around with the init scripts...)
[09:52] <suspekt> i thought 64 don't have flash support yet
[09:52] <raphink> achandra: I don't think flash works on amd64 actually
[09:52] <daviscostel> who can tell me the commands to install nVidia Display driver??
[09:52] <Ademan> LGPL is much more convenient for many developers though, but then again, it IS the viral aspect of the GPL that keeps it alive
[09:53] <thoreauputic> !nvidia
[09:53] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your monitor, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:53] <Flashq009> hello, is there a way to install ubuntu server ed or desktop without removing windows?
[09:53] <cwillu> I'm not saying that cedega _is_ violating the licence (hell, I've got a subscription, and I just recommended the package in the first place :) ), just that there are those who think it might
[09:53] <Ademan> nik: that wasn't the "right" output?
[09:53] <firepol> hi, when i start ubuntu it stops at "Starting Hardware abstraction layer hald". I can't boot my machine unless I remove (I use the tool "rcconf" the "dbus" script from the boot scripts). Do you know a way to understand what's wrong?
[09:53] <achandra> raphink: thats what i thought too....strangely the flashplayer is offered in the synaptics repository though...
[09:53] <daviscostel> thanks
[09:53] <raphink> achandra: sure
[09:53] <nik> Ademan: yes, the script seems to be ok :)
[09:53] <achandra> why would that be??
[09:53] <nik> Ademan: it was
[09:54] <firepol> now im in my machine and from a terminal i run /etc/init.d/dbus start . it hangs. is there a way to see a log or something?
[09:54] <polpak> cwillu: it's not violating it, because it's a fork from before wine was licensed that way
[09:54] <suspekt> some one should submit that, your right i don't think its supposed to be in ther... unless they are working on it or somthing and its getting close?
[09:54] <raphink> achandra: look on the wiki, there _might_ be asource for a free implementation not sure though
[09:54] <bigfoot1> once, i had a movie file that I zipped up and split into 10 mb files. when i tried to put it all back together and unzip, the movie file wouldn't work
[09:54] <Ademan> nik: hehe, well then... so having the apm script is why its telling me acpi is disabled?
[09:54] <kazil> !mount
[09:54] <ubotu> Disks store lots of data. Partitioning: try gparted or qtparted  - Formatting: see the manpage for mkfs  - Mounting: system -> administration -> disks
[09:54] <bigfoot1> my question is: why?
[09:54] <polpak> cwillu: but it's still not very nice that they don't give back to the community
[09:54] <achandra> cool will do
[09:54] <bigfoot1> and what other files should not be compressed?
[09:54] <m_0_r_0_n> Where can I find the video of an interview with Nelson Mandela who speaks about the philosophy of Ubuntu
[09:54] <hoittr> On to my next question (I reported the bug)... I cant seem to find the vncserver anywhere TO restart it... Is it called something strange?
[09:54] <nik> Ademan: no...I don't know...I just had the same problem (but without the acpi stuff) because the script was missing
[09:54] <Ademan> whats the command to update grub from menu.lst ?
[09:55] <bigfoot1> I'm planning on moving from one pc to another, and i'm going to be uploading them online, you see
[09:55] <polpak> Ademan: I don't think you need to. It just reads the menu.lst every time it boots
[09:55] <bigfoot1> is it a bad idea to compress, say, mp3 files?
[09:55] <raphink> bigfoot1: it's a useless idea
[09:55] <suspekt> ademan, it will do it if you install a linux kernal with synaptic
[09:55] <raphink> you won't get much from it
[09:55] <suspekt> i know thats not the answer to your question but its a getto methoed
[09:55] <Ademan> polpak: uh... how would it do that if it doesnt have a concept of anything but the bootsector?
[09:55] <bigfoot1> and would just putting several mp3 files together into one archive (using archiave mananger) *withoutt* any compression damage the files?
[09:56] <Ademan> i'm pretty sure it needs to be updated...
[09:56] <raphink> bigfoot1: mp3 is already compressed, so you'll get 2% or so from compressing them again
[09:56] <polpak> Ademan: it has more of a concept than that
[09:56] <kazil> Mounting: system -> administration -> disks this doesn`t seem to work
[09:56] <raphink> bigfoot1: you can put them in a tar, sure
[09:56] <cwillu> Ademan: it knows how to read boot, because /boot is a special mount (I believE)
[09:56] <Ademan> polpak: i'm PRETTY sure it doesnt do any file system work
[09:56] <bigfoot1> raphink: if i put them in tar, there will be no risk of uncompression problems?
[09:56] <raphink> bigfoot1: but then an scp or rsync would do the job recursively better imo
[09:56] <polpak> Ademan: when you install grub you tell it what partition to look for to find the menu.lst
[09:56] <raphink> bigfoot1: tar is not a compressed format
[09:57] <suspekt> bigfoot1 why are you trying to do that?
[09:57] <bigfoot1> raphink: what's scp or sync?
[09:57] <polpak> Ademan: it will look on that partition for /boot and find the menu.lst in there
[09:57] <polpak> Ademan: if you change the menu.lst and restart your change will take effect
[09:57] <bigfoot1> suspekt: coz i'm going to be moving from one country to another. and I'm going to move my files online temporarily.
[09:57] <raphink> bigfoot1: scp is a transfer through ssh, and rsyn can use ssh too but tries to minimize the exchanges and can resume
[09:57] <hoittr> I'm looking through help files, online (Google) and the wiki... but I cant seem to find the command to restart the VNC server that is included on dapper. Does anyone know the name?
[09:57] <Ademan> polpak: i'm like 99% sure thats not the case... but let me look it up
[09:58] <raphink> bigfoot1: I wouldn't tar the files, because if you transfer only one file, there's a greater chance of corruption than if you transfer a hundred
[09:58] <cwillu> hoittr: try a 'locate vnc' from a terminal, should give you a hint
[09:58] <bigfoot1> raphink: what?
[09:58] <polpak> Ademan: It is the case, cause I've done it
[09:58] <bigfoot1> raphink: i see
[09:58] <bigfoot1> i understand now
[09:58] <suspekt> bigfoot1, if you make yourself a gmail email account, you can store up to 2 gigs on there server
[09:58] <daviscostel> what other DC clients exist for linux?
[09:58] <cwillu> Ademan: quit saying it doesn't work, and do it :)
[09:58] <suspekt> and if you make 30 gmail accounts...
[09:58] <raphink> bigfoot1: if there's a transfer problem on your tar, you have everything borked (i.e. the tar) whereas if you transfer all the files separately and there's a transfer problem, only one small file is borked
[09:58] <dooglus> m_0_r_0_n: /usr/share/example-content/Experience ubuntu.ogg
[09:58] <bigfoot1> suspekt: yes, i can, but each attachment must be 10 mb max
[09:58] <Flashq009> I can'f figure out how to install ubuntu server and/or desktop on the computer without removing windows.  Does anyone know how?
[09:59] <raphink> bigfoot1: have a look at the rsync doc
[09:59] <Ademan> what would the point of updating AT ALL be?
[09:59] <bigfoot1> and uploading and downloading via gmail is too much hassle
[09:59] <polpak> Ademan: updating what?
[09:59] <Ademan> and having said that why would you have a bootloader that loads a filesystem, then EXITS main memory, and then the kernel loads up the same filesystem again...
[09:59] <bigfoot1> i've got perhaps 300 hundred mp3 files that i want to relocate/store online temporarily.
[09:59] <Ademan> polpak: grub-update
[09:59] <hoittr> Thanks, found the config in /etc/vnc.conf... But still didnt find the actual server, no worries =P This will work. Thanks
[09:59] <Ademan> that command would have no purpose...
[09:59] <raphink> bigfoot1: there's a gmailfs that exists, if you're interested ;)
[09:59] <cwillu> ademan, that updates automatically when you add/remove new kernels
[09:59] <bigfoot1> raphink: but rsync means that the receiving computer mustn be set up alreardy, yes?
[10:00] <bigfoot1> raphink: i tried
[10:00] <raphink> so you can just mount your gmail storage locally and just cp
[10:00] <bigfoot1> but i think i'm going to use the openomy.com account
[10:00] <raphink> although I think gmailfs is not fair towards gmail
[10:00] <bigfoot1> raphink: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1163725&postcount=7
[10:00] <Ademan> cwillu: i'm not adding or removing kernels though, i'm adding a few default kernel options
[10:00] <polpak> Ademan: I don't have that command
[10:00] <hoittr> vnc.conf isnt even usefull if I cant restart the server... I guess I'll just have to break down and reboot >< Such a waste. Thanks everyon!
[10:00] <polpak> Ademan: I have grub-install
[10:00] <Ademan> sorry its update-grub
[10:00] <dooglus> bigfoot1: compressing files shouldn't lose any data at all, if you use gzip or bzip2
[10:00] <cwillu> Ademan: menu.lst itself says what update-grub does to it
[10:00] <dooglus> bigfoot1: same with tar
[10:01] <bigfoot1> dooglus: really?
[10:01] <polpak> Ademan: update-grub generates the menu.lst. it doesn't do anything to grub itself
[10:01] <dooglus> bigfoot1: if you did lose data, it's some kind of error - hardware, software, user.
[10:01] <bigfoot1> dooglus: so what did raphink mean then  when he advised against tarring my files?
[10:01] <batte> Hi all, how do I create a swap partition ...
[10:01] <suspekt> you could just make a .torrent of your music folder and start the download on the other end?
[10:01] <dooglus> bigfoot1: I'm sure he didn't mean it would damage them...
[10:01] <XHK> When I gedit something, I get those errors: "locale not supported by Xlib" and "cannot set locale modifiers".
[10:01] <bigfoot1> suspekt: no i can't
[10:02] <bigfoot1> suspekt: because  i won't be possesing both computers at the same time
[10:02] <raphink> bigfoot1: I mean that damaging a 500MB tar is a huge lost of files, whereas damaging a single mp3 file of 5MB is not that much
[10:02] <cwillu> http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/GrubSplash for instance
[10:02] <polpak> Ademan: for example you can change the default timeout on the menu or something and restart. It will be changed when it boots
[10:02] <raphink> so there's less risks in transfering the files separatly recursively imo
[10:02] <bigfoot1> raphink: yes, but won't i get some sort of message if there's a damage? So that i can re-do whatever it is that damaged the tarring?
[10:02] <raphink> sure bigfoot1
[10:03] <detectiveinspekt> can someone pt me in the direction in making dvd video from avi's
[10:03] <raphink> bigfoot1: and anyway for a huge transfer I'd use rsync so you can resume
[10:03] <bigfoot1> raphink: so what exactly damages a tar file, or any other file?
[10:03] <dooglus> raphink: right.  but that's not due to compression damaging the files.  if the files get damaged in transit, that's some kind of error, not a fault in the compression
[10:03] <dooglus> raphink: spilling beer on it?
[10:03] <raphink> sure dooglus I didn't say it was linked to compression
[10:03] <bigfoot1> raphink: how can i find more info about this rysinc thing?
[10:03] <raphink> there's not even a compression in tars ;)
[10:03] <raphink> tar is just gather various files in one
[10:03] <raphink> it's an archive
[10:03] <[666] CortexX> I have 2.5Go free, can I install ubuntu 6.06 ? is ti enouth ?
[10:03] <raphink> compression is gz or bz
[10:03] <Ademan> polpak, cwillu: well the manpage supports what you guys are saying... but thats an absolute shit system then... that means grub has to have hard coded file system support....
[10:03] <dooglus> raphink: right.  but bigfoot1 was scared of using compression because it has damaged his files in the past...
[10:03] <cwillu> bigfoot1 dooglus raphink:  the point is that if anything happens to the file (network timeout, etc), a 500mb file has to be redownload 500mb, while 100 5mb files only have to redownload 5mb
[10:03] <raphink> sure cortex
[10:04] <raphink> dooglus: there's no point of using compression to gather mp3s he won't get anything out of it
[10:04] <cwillu> Ademan: don't worry about it, it's actually quite simple;  don't worry about the man behind the curtain
[10:04] <dooglus> raphink: tar can compress too
[10:04] <bigfoot1> cwillu: but my problem wasn't with the download.
[10:04] <[666] CortexX> ok because the install plant and I thaught it was owing to it
[10:04] <Flashq009> can some pt me in the right direction on how to install ubuntu server lts and/or desktop along side windows xp?
[10:04] <Madpilot> !dualboot
[10:04] <ubotu> Dual boot instructions for x86/amd64 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo - for mac https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot
[10:04] <[666] CortexX> thank
[10:04] <Madpilot> Flashq009, ^^^
[10:04] <Flashq009> thank you
[10:04] <bigfoot1> i think zipping a movie file with compression  and then splitting it up into 10mbs each was the thing that damaged the file
[10:04] <XHK> When I gedit something, I get those errors: "locale not supported by Xlib" and "cannot set locale modifiers". Why is that so? : (
[10:05] <polpak> Ademan: it seems to be good enough at what it does to have most people using it..
[10:05] <bigfoot1> i'm scared because i didn't even know anything was wrong untlil it was too late
[10:05] <batte> I made a swap partition, but ubuntu wont use it? what did i do wrong?
[10:05] <cwillu> Ademan: if you want a boot loader that doesn't do that on principle, look at lilo (requires a command to be run before the changed file is applied), but I really wouldn't worry about it :)
[10:05] <polpak> Ademan: even Lilo had to have fs support, otherwise it wouldn't have been able to find the kernel file to boot
[10:05] <bigfoot1> i'm scared because i didn't even get any error messages on the way
[10:06] <soundray> polpak: that isn't exactly true
[10:06] <Ademan> polpak: it probably just got a cylinder head sector at "update time", but then again, i could be wrong
[10:06] <IndianGiver> i've install all the packages and i still cant play .avi files
[10:06] <dooglus> raphink: you'd be surprised.  I just tried compressing an mp3 and it got 3% smaller!
[10:06] <polpak> soundray: I'm pretty sure that lilo didn't cram all the kernel images into the boot loader
[10:06] <XHK> IndianGiver, use VLC player
[10:06] <bigfoot1> dooglus: raphink didn't say that they don't get smaller.
[10:06] <XHK> IndianGiver, it helped me.
[10:07] <cwillu> Ademan: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-7.2-Manual/ref-guide/ch-grub.html has a bit of a discussion on the tradeoffs
[10:07] <bigfoot1> dooglus: i think raphink said that the amount you save is small, as you have seen
[10:07] <raphink> dooglus: that's what I said, it's useless
[10:07] <IndianGiver> can you give me the command XHK ?
[10:07] <raphink> getting 3% compression is useless
[10:07] <cwillu> polpak, Ademan:  lilo updates the mbr for each modification
[10:07] <raphink> loss of time ;)
[10:07] <XHK> IndianGiver, sudo apt-get install vlc vlc-plugin-*
[10:07] <Ademan> polpak: all you need is the location on disk... i mean thats all a file system amounts to, a way to keep track of sections of disk
[10:07] <soundray> polpak: I'm pretty sure that lilo doesn't have "proper" filesystem support (in the sense that it could principally read any file, like grub can)
[10:08] <dooglus> bigfoot1: maybe IRC compressed his text - 'cos by the time it reached me it had been damaged to say that compressing mp3s gives you no benefit.
[10:08] <IndianGiver> does mplayer play avi?
[10:08] <IndianGiver> im wondering why xine doesnt
[10:08] <bigfoot1> IndianGiver: yes
[10:08] <IndianGiver> ive install everything
[10:08] <bigfoot1> dooglus: who's text?
[10:08] <bigfoot1> sorry: whose text?
[10:08] <kazil> how 2 UNINSTALL ubuntu?
[10:08] <XHK> IndianGiver: Did you try VLC?
[10:09] <dooglus> bigfoot1: raphink's's
[10:09] <thoreauputic> IndianGiver: avi is a container, not a codec - run "file yourvidfile.avi " to see what codec you are dealing with
[10:09] <cwillu> kazil: returning to windows?  are you dual booting already or just looking to start clean?
[10:09] <soundray> kazil: just reformat the partition with your other OS
[10:09] <IndianGiver> its dl'ing right now XHK
[10:09] <bigfoot1> dooglus: oh i see. it was a joke
[10:09] <thoreauputic> where yourvidfile.avi is the name of course
[10:09] <kazil> soundray: i can`t see the ubuntu from win
[10:09] <XHK> IndianGiver, ok.
[10:10] <cwillu> soundray: so you already have a windows installation and don't want to wipe it, right?
[10:10] <kazil> cwillu: yes, this ubuntu will get me a nervous breakdown
[10:10] <kazil> cwillu: yes
[10:10] <IndianGiver> wmv its a w32 codec  thoreauputic but i installed it
[10:10] <soundray> cwillu: god no, far from it! I don't have Windows.
[10:10] <IndianGiver> ms wmv 8
[10:10] <cwillu> oops sorry, wrong person soundray :)
[10:10] <mindspit> does anyone have knowledge on how ispconfig works ?
[10:10] <dooglus> kazil: you can get an official nervous breakdown using synaptic.  on apt-get if you're hard core :)
[10:10] <soundray> :)
[10:10] <neutrinomass> kazil: I'm very sorry to hear that :( You can boot from the LiveCD and format the partition Ubuntu is on ...
[10:10] <thoreauputic> IndianGiver: you installed w32codecs, right? Should work with xine or mplayer then
[10:11] <kazil> i just can`t get anything work!
[10:11] <bigfoot1> so please confirm again: if I tar a file *without* any compression, there will be no danger of the files inside being damaged/corrupted, yes?
[10:11] <polpak> thoreauputic: or totem-xine
[10:11] <IndianGiver> i installed them but its not working
[10:11] <cwillu> kazil: start | control panel | administrative tools | disk manager;
[10:11] <thoreauputic> polpak: sasme backend, yes
[10:11] <kazil> neutrinomas: will that get off grub-loader?
[10:11] <cwillu> kazil: the linux partitions will show up there as unknown;  you can wipe and reformat them as ntfs
[10:11] <neutrinomass> kazil: Well, you could ask here I suppose :) Is it hardware-autodetection or software stuff that make you not like it ?
[10:11] <kazil> everything
[10:11] <polpak> IndianGiver: how did you install them?
[10:11] <cymcy> hello #ubuntu
[10:12] <cwillu> kazil: there's a command to do that, one sec
[10:12] <IndianGiver> apt-get install
[10:12] <polpak> IndianGiver: apt-get install what
[10:12] <IndianGiver> sudo apt-get install w32codec
[10:12] <IndianGiver> i went through the whole list of packages to install
[10:12] <polpak> IndianGiver: I'm pretty sure you have to dl the win 32 codecs directly
[10:12] <thoreauputic> !w32codecs
[10:12] <ubotu> w32codecs can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages. Also see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html
[10:12] <IndianGiver> wget -c
[10:13] <kazil> this thing freaked me out: i`m logged on as admin, i create a folder, try to del it and it says that i can not do that cause of the permissions
[10:13] <neutrinomass> kazil: OK. Thanks for giving it a shot though :) Just make sure you don't leave too early - it does take some getting used to ...
[10:13] <cymcy> does anyone have lirc functionnal under dapper ? and how make it work ?
[10:13] <cwillu> kazil: you're probably not actually running as admin, but as a user with admin authority (which you still need to specify)
[10:13] <neutrinomass> kazil: That shouldn't be happening. How did you log in as admin and how did you create the folder?
[10:14] <cwillu> kazil:  "sudo nautilus . " would give you an explorer window you could use to delete it
[10:14] <cwillu> kazil: it solves the problem of an errant user deleting the linux equivilent of c:/windows
[10:14] <kazil> neutrinomas: actually i think i`m logged on as admin... :/
[10:14] <voltage> do anybody know where to get more resources for Java programming for Ubuntu or Kubuntu... :)
[10:14] <neutrinomass> kazil: It could be that you created the folder as admin and then tried to open it as a normal user (you only get administration privileges if you use 'sudo' )
[10:15] <cwillu> kazil: almost certainly didn't log in as admin unless you enabled it for login, gave it a password, etc (i.e., it's called root, not admin)
[10:15] <soundray> kazil: you can be logged in as admin all you like -- you still need to use sudo to do privileged operations.
[10:15] <kazil> maybe i`m just to dumb for this...
[10:15] <polpak> voltage: other than installing the jdk?
[10:15] <soundray> kazil: probably not. There is just a learning curve.
[10:15] <thoreauputic> !tell kazil about docs
[10:15] <cwillu> kazil: hardly, it's just that nobody is comfortable at first
[10:15] <firepol> lshal gives me this error. enay ideas? error: libhal_ctx_init: (null): (null)
[10:15] <neutrinomass> kazil: I bet you're not :) When the Ubuntu installation is complete, the installer creates one user, 'kazil'. This 'kazil' user can escalate his permissions to become "administrator"/"root in UNIX terminology.
[10:16] <suspekt> how stringent to the 'directory guidlines' does ubuntu stick?
[10:16] <neutrinomass> kazil: But you're only working as a normal user until you decide to become admin, using "sudo". This is to avoid messing up you're system, which has happened many many times with users logged in as administrators but forgetting that their system as at their mercy.
[10:16] <suspekt> i read in my 'LINUX' book that all these directorys in root all have very defined purpose (by looking at them i havn't fully figured it out... but getting there)
[10:16] <cwillu> kazil: to get rid of grub, make a windows boot disk from windows (format a disk and tell it to make it a boot disk), boot from it, and then run fdisk /fixmbr
[10:16] <cwillu> that'll wipe grub
[10:16] <cwillu> make sure you do that _before_ you delete the partitions though, otherwise things will just get annoying (i.e., you'll have to get a boot disk made from another computer and use that)
[10:16] <neutrinomass> suspekt: What directory guidelines ?
[10:17] <soundray> suspekt: very strictly, in that if a package doesn't adhere, that is classified as a bug.
[10:17] <IndianGiver> hell yea
[10:17] <Skiddles^>
[10:17] <neutrinomass> suspekt: Usually all these are just "guidelines" and many books a little bit outdated. Most of what is said in your book is probably right, but not to the letter.
[10:17] <IndianGiver> finally
[10:17] <kazil> i want to learn this thing. .but it`s just doesn`t want to work...
[10:17] <IndianGiver> Avi files work
[10:17] <cwillu> kazil: don't worry about it, it took me 3 or 4 trial runs over a period of several years before I was comfortable on it
[10:17] <neutrinomass> kazil: Have you read the user handbook ?
[10:18] <neutrinomass> kazil: Don't forget that you can pop in here and ask questions if you get somewhere :)
[10:18] <IndianGiver> rofl you have to be kidding me
[10:18] <IndianGiver> i get no sound from vlc
[10:18] <IndianGiver> but i get video
[10:18] <cwillu> kazil: play around with live cd's once in a while, see if you can aquire an older machine to play with (so you're not completely dependant on being a linux user before you're comfortable with it)
[10:18] <IndianGiver> killall -9
[10:19] <cwillu> kazil: and don't let all the problems that show up in here put you off;  nobody comes in here unless things aren't working for them, and so you don't see too many flawless users in here :)
[10:19] <kazil> i`ve played with knopix for about 2 months.. .i thought i`ve got it all...
[10:19] <IndianGiver> i love linux so much
[10:19] <IndianGiver> why doesnt it love me
[10:19] <cwillu> kazil: just takes time to get used to it, don't push too hard
[10:19] <kazil> cwillu: LOL LD
[10:19] <Rhett_> IndianGiver, you probably have a sound server active that's got control atm, try killall esd & killall artsd
[10:19] <IndianGiver> #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:19] <Rhett_> and restart vlc
[10:19] <bigfoot1> IndianGiver: coz it's immature. give it a few years. it will love you. and it will  love me.
[10:20] <cwillu> kazil: soundray is one of the few :)
[10:20] <Rhett_> linux is friendly, its just picky about who it is friends with
[10:20] <IndianGiver> yea Rhett_ i forgot i had xmms on another workstation
[10:20] <IndianGiver> everythings working
[10:20] <bigfoot1> cwillu: yes, soundray is one of the few you insists he's flawless. 8-)
[10:20] <Rhett_> IndianGiver, awesome =)
[10:20] <IndianGiver> oh god that graphics are so awesome
[10:20] <cwillu> kazil: what people don't realize is that windows has all the same problems:  if you didn't set up your computer yourself, you don't realize all the crap that you had to struggle with to get it working :)
[10:20] <Kipps> if only i could get my stupid RTL8187 usb wifi card going under nix, i'd be happy
[10:21] <Kipps> ... unfortunately i'm gunna have to wait until exams are over before i touch on that one =)
[10:21] <cwillu> kazil: the difference is that there's alot more companies that go through that pain and suffering installing windows than there are for linux
[10:21] <kazil> cwillu: i spent about a month to get off all the craps from win
[10:21] <cwillu> lol
[10:21] <suspekt> Honestly... installing linux machines is easyer
[10:21] <mada> yo
[10:21] <kazil> it`s just full of it
[10:22] <Kipps> i know this is probalby a faq, but is there a document somewhere that explains exactly the relationship between debian packages and ubuntu?
[10:22] <suspekt> think about it... who has installed a OEM windows on a dell desktop and then had the fun of searching the Dell website for drivers
[10:22] <mada> anyone running ubuntu on a laptop that they are particularly happy with?
[10:22] <Kipps> and how exactly it all comes together?
[10:22] <cwillu> keeping poking away at it, eventually you'll type sudo vim /etc/fstab and realize that you didn't even think about it :)
[10:22] <suspekt> IBM T30
[10:22] <Kipps> suspekt, pretty easy actually, support.ap.dell.com
[10:22] <mada> suspekt: i have dealt with that driver search before ... used to be a technician
[10:23] <Kipps> generally it's a matter of putting in your sys tag and it'll show you?
[10:23] <Kipps> i thought it was fantastic
[10:23] <thoreauputic> Kipps: you might try the apt-howto package ( install, then type apt-howto in a terminal and it should open in your browser )
[10:23] <kazil> well... ok.. .how do i use this "sudo" thingy? gimme an example...
[10:23] <Tremitos> hi
[10:23] <mada> Kipps: it makes it hard when the dell ethernet card isn't supported by the oem copy of windows
[10:23] <cwillu> kazil: but yes:  boot into windows, make a boot floppy, fdisk /fixmbr, and then clear the partitions (using a linux boot cd if you want it to be one big drive;  windows can only handle making a second seperate partition from the freed space)
[10:23] <suspekt> sigh... you know what i mean though!
[10:23] <thoreauputic> !sudo
[10:23] <cwillu> kazil: what's the folder you want to delete?
[10:23] <ubotu> sudo is is a command that will let users run commands as root. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[10:23] <Tremitos> fun
[10:23] <Kipps> mada, hehe yeah, i had a dell box taht didn't have an ethernet card supported in the base debian install a while ago, made things difficult
[10:23] <cwillu> I'm not going to bed for a while, so I'll see what I can do :)
[10:24] <Kipps> thoreauputic, i don't currently have ubuntu installed
[10:24] <mada> Kipps: dell puts some weird network hardware in their boxes :/
[10:24] <suspekt> pop in a windows CD, download and install driver.    pop in ubuntu cd and most stuff is supported out the box
[10:24] <Kipps> thoreauputic, damn crazy wifi usb adaptors =\
[10:24] <kazil> cwillu: i`ve just get up :) it`s 10am here :P
[10:24] <cwillu> 2:30 am :p
[10:24] <Kipps> mada, yeah, this was a gigabit ethernet adaptor that seemed to still be experimental in the kernel at the time =\
[10:24] <kazil> cwillu: just gimme an example
[10:24] <cwillu> kazil: but yes, where was the folder you wanted to delete?
[10:24] <Kipps> i woke up at 2pm today...
[10:24] <thoreauputic> Kipps: http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto
[10:25] <kazil> for like... dunno... something folder :)
[10:25] <cwillu> kazil:  sudo rmdir /folder/name/goes/here
[10:25] <mada> Kipps: lol, thats always fun ... its like playing with wifi on my iBook G4 AirPort Extreme card :P
[10:25] <kazil> 1`s on the desktop
[10:25] <kazil> thx :)
[10:25] <Kipps> thoreauputic, yeah, but whats the actual relationship with ubuntu packages and debian?
[10:25] <Kipps> i understand apt repositories
[10:25] <cwillu> kazil: also, you know what ~ is?
[10:25] <kazil> back in a minute to tell the result :)
[10:25] <kazil> nope
[10:25] <cwillu> ~ == /home/<yourusername>/
[10:26] <cwillu> so ~/Desktop is you're desktop
[10:26] <cwillu> lol
[10:26] <cwillu> right
[10:26] <thoreauputic> Kipps: ubuntu uses a snapshot of debian unstable every 6 months and builds its own packages from that starting point
[10:26] <Kipps> ahhh thanks
[10:26] <cwillu> kazil: also good to note that linux is case sensitive
[10:26] <mada> Kipps: Ubuntu has become its own entity that kinda runs in parallel to debian, don't mix and match debian and ubuntu repos, systems will crash
[10:26] <kazil> that i know cwillu ;)
[10:26] <cwillu> kazil: I'll give you a setting to tweak to help with that
[10:26] <mada> Kipps: like thoreauputic said :)
[10:26] <Kipps> yeah, i knew there was a relationship, but where i loooked on ubuntu.org didn't seem to explain it
[10:26] <kazil> with what?
[10:26] <thoreauputic> Kipps: then they don't change until the next release except for security and bugfixes
[10:26] <cwillu> kazil: you can make the tab-completion case_in_sensitive, which is wonderful for dealing with that :)
[10:26] <Kipps> that's fantastic
[10:27] <Kipps> i'll be giving it a go after my exams :D
[10:27] <suspekt> anyone experience putting ubuntu on a apple laptop?
[10:27] <mada> Kipps: i have been a debian user for roughly 5 years and i just switched to ubuntu for my desktop about a month ago and i love it, debian for my servers and ubuntu for my desktops
[10:28] <thoreauputic> suspekt: I have it on an iBook G4
[10:28] <Kipps> mada, yeah, i'd normally use debian-unstable, but my isp has a pretty crappy d/l limit
[10:28] <Kipps> and i can get ubuntu isos for free
[10:28] <suspekt> now that IBM is putting backdoors in the notebooks or whatever (all i know is the gov won't buy em anymore) i was thinking of using mac hardware
[10:28] <Kipps> so i'm probably gunna go that way
[10:28] <cwillu> kazil: how familiar are you with the windows command line?
[10:29] <thoreauputic> suspekt: works well - except for the insternal modem , java and flash
[10:29] <mada> Kipps: yeah, i like ubuntu
[10:29] <Madpilot> Kipps, if you're thinking of ordering the free CDs from ShipIt, do the ordering now, ShipIt can be slow sometimes
[10:29] <thoreauputic> suspekt: *internal modem
[10:29] <suspekt> thoreauputic, do you think the java and flash problems will go away with an intel ppc?
[10:29] <cwillu> thoreauputic: ahhh, the infamous winmodems :)
[10:29] <thoreauputic> suspekt: I doubt it
[10:30] <cwillu> suspekt: which flash/java problems?
[10:30] <thoreauputic> cwillu: in this case macmodems I suppose :)
[10:30] <cwillu> bah :p
[10:30] <Kipps> Madpilot, isp makes the isos available for free, just not the updates
[10:30] <kazil> sudo rullz :D
[10:30] <cwillu> heh
[10:30] <cwillu> k, next lesson :p
[10:30] <Madpilot> Kipps, nice deal - just watch the updates, a newly installed system will have a *lot* of updates to pull down
[10:30] <suspekt> I am sortof shopping for my next notebook whenever my T30 dies on me and was wondering which way to go
[10:30] <Kipps> Madpilot, silly i guess, but effectively it makes distros that release monthly easier to deal with than repos that change regularly :P
[10:30] <kazil> cwillu: why? (command line)
[10:30] <Kipps> Madpilot, yeah, will do
[10:30] <soundray> suspekt: thoreauputic, I disagree. I've heard that you can install i386 on Apple-Intel hardware, including Java and Flash
[10:30] <kazil> c, i`m ready :D
[10:31] <thoreauputic> cwillu: java and flash are not available in ppc ( unless you count the Free versions which are not very mature)
[10:31] <cwillu> kazil: case insensitivity on the command line?  it's wonderful so you don't have to remember that X11 is written exacltly like that, or some odd pROgrAM deCiDed to Be FunKY
[10:31] <thoreauputic> soundray: I was talking about an iBook G4
[10:31] <cwillu> thoreauputic: ah, k
[10:31] <soundray> suspekt: just make sure you get a Macbook, not one of the old PPC based ones
[10:31] <suspekt> yeah but mac is using intel i686 style chips now?
[10:31] <thoreauputic> soundray: not an intel mac
[10:31] <spikeb> no dont do that
[10:31] <kazil> :D :D :D
[10:31] <soundray> thoreauputic: suspekt asked specifically about Intel Macs.
[10:32] <cwillu> kazil: so ya, sudo lets you run any command as the root user;  sudo gedit filename would open that file and let you edit it, etc
[10:32] <thoreauputic> soundray: ah I must have missed that
[10:32] <kazil> mmm... how to muont from the terminal....
[10:32] <nemoo> Ubuntu - how to use see the content of a package before install using apt ????
[10:32] <thoreauputic> soundray: OK - my error then
[10:32] <cwillu> but you should also learn how to at least modify and save files using a terminal
[10:32] <cwillu> hence (evil grin)
[10:32] <kazil> cat command?
[10:32] <suspekt> but it was a generalized question about all the hardware
[10:32] <suspekt> which sounds like they work
[10:32] <cwillu> sudo vi /etc/bash.bashrc
[10:33] <soundray> nemoo: you have to have apt-file to get listings of packages before they are installed.
[10:33] <suspekt> alrighty yall
[10:33] <soundray> nemoo: sudo apt-get install apt-file ; sudo apt-file update ; man apt-file
[10:33] <cwillu> kazil: pgdown to the end of the file, and then if you want, add these commands:
[10:33] <suspekt> goodnight... its 4:30 and school starts in a few hours
[10:33] <cwillu> bind 'set completion-ignore-case on'
[10:33] <cwillu> bind 'tab: menu-complete'
[10:34] <cwillu> kazil: "how do you edit", you ask?
[10:34] <paramed> hi all
[10:34] <kazil> cat?
[10:34] <cwillu> cat?
[10:34] <cwillu> why do you wanna know about cat?  :)
[10:34] <cwillu> cat just reads a file and spits it back out
[10:34] <kazil> isn`t there a command named cat?
[10:34] <cwillu> so cat /etc/X11/Xorg.conf will dump your X windows config
[10:34] <kazil> cat>>something?
[10:34] <cwillu> it's equivilent to type
[10:35] <paramed> I am struggling to import mail from my old outlook to Evolution! please help
[10:35] <cwillu> the >'s are general commands, to let you redirect the output of an arbitrary command somewhere else
[10:35] <soundray> kazil: yes, that's a very backwards way to append to a file
[10:35] <kazil> then i ask: how do you edit? :D
[10:35] <cwillu> hence, cat /etc/fstab >~/MyNewFile will write the contents of fstab to the file mentioned
[10:35] <soundray> kazil: gedit file (as admin: sudo gedit file)
[10:35] <cwillu> (obliterating whatever else was in the file)
[10:36] <cwillu> >> would add the contents of fstab to the end of the file
[10:36] <paramed> can anyone help me with importing a PST file into Evolution?
[10:36] <cwillu> sudo vi /etc/bash.bashrc will edit that file in a slightly evil command line editor :)
[10:36] <soundray> paramed: is that the MS Outlook format?
[10:36] <thoreauputic> sudo nano /etc/bash.bashrc is slightly less evil but less powerful :)
[10:36] <spikeb> vim: powered by evil(TM)
[10:36] <spikeb> heh
[10:36] <kazil> prob. is that the ubuntu machine is in another room... i think i need some paper...
[10:36] <solid_liq> cwillu: what's so evil about vim?
[10:37] <paramed> yes.. it is
[10:37] <cwillu> kazil, does it have internet access?
[10:37] <kazil> nope :(
[10:37] <cwillu> solid_liq: nothing really, except that it's command line oriented and thus evil to foist on a new comer to linux
[10:37] <paramed> soundray, yes it..
[10:37] <cwillu> solid_liq: I was also expecting a few emacs fans to come out of the woodwork at that point :)
[10:37] <soundray> paramed: I don't think they can be imported straight. Give me a minute...
[10:37] <kazil> i`m from yugoslavia man... i praise the lord even for a computer...
[10:38] <spikeb> hehe kazil
[10:38] <cwillu> kazil: fair enough :)
[10:38] <solid_liq> cwillu: heheh, EMACS SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!
[10:38] <compengi> in the xchat how can i open a new server
[10:38] <soundray> paramed: look at a program called "readpst":
[10:38] <thoreauputic> !info ed
[10:38] <ubotu> ed: The classic unix line editor. In repository main, is standard. Version 0.2-20 (dapper), package size 43 kB, installed size 144 kB
[10:38] <soundray> !info readpst
[10:38] <ubotu> readpst: Converts Outlook PST files to mbox and others. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.5.1-1 (dapper), package size 54 kB, installed size 192 kB
[10:39] <Kipps> wow, you can convert pst files now?!?
[10:39] <cwillu> sudo vi /path/to/file
 to enter insert mode
 to leave that mode
[10:39] <cwillu> :w to save the file when not in insert mode
[10:39] <cwillu> :q to quit when you're sick of vi
[10:39] <cwillu> :q! to quit and lose any changes made (:q will just prompt that otherwise)
[10:39] <thoreauputic> ed really *is* evil ;)
[10:39] <soundray> Kipps: was news to me too. It's always worth asking apt-cache...
[10:39] <solid_liq> no, you can use the letter i to enter insert mode, and control-c to exit insert mode
[10:39] <Kipps> does it convert everything, including calendar/contacts?
[10:39] <solid_liq> much easer :D
[10:39] <cwillu> kazil: sudo gedit /path/to/file would be easier to use, but it's good to at least know how to edit a file without the gui working
[10:40] <Kipps> or just mail to mbox?
[10:40] <cwillu> solid_liq: whichever :p
[10:40] <soundray> Kipps: only mail, afai can see
[10:40] <Kipps> thats still pretty awesome =)
[10:40] <solid_liq> cwillu: well, my way you don't have to take your hands off the home row
[10:40] <solid_liq> :D
[10:40] <cwillu> solid_liq: because I and ctrl+c are obviously on home row :p
[10:41] <solid_liq> cwillu: I mean, you don't have to move your hands from the home row position, *duh*! :D
[10:41] <cwillu> insert and escape are easier targets to hit, being at the edge of a cluster of keys and it's own cluster of keys respectively
[10:42] <solid_liq> cwillu: yeah, but slower
[10:42] <nemoo> thnks soundray, do an apt-get now :)
[10:42] <cwillu> less temptation to merely twist the wrist to hit the keys though
[10:42] <cwillu> if you use either one, you move your arm, and as such don't injure yourself :)
[10:42] <solid_liq> just like when you have to grab the mouse to do something in stupid windows
[10:42] <cwillu> solid_liq: amateur;  I've admin'd windows boxes that never had a mouse hooked up in the first place
[10:42] <solid_liq> cwillu: hah
[10:43] <solid_liq> cwillu: I'm not talking about for admin tasks
[10:43] <cwillu> it's quite a bit easier than linux gui keyboard navigation actually, they do have better consistency
[10:43] <solid_liq> cwillu: than what desktop environment?
[10:43] <cwillu> gnome
[10:43] <solid_liq> well gnome sucks
[10:43] <solid_liq> use kde
[10:43] <cwillu> heh
[10:43] <solid_liq> like Linux Torvalds himself says
[10:43] <solid_liq> :D
[10:43] <nemoo> oh, gnome sucks ???
[10:43] <nemoo> really ?
[10:43] <cwillu> oh boy
[10:44] <solid_liq> er, Linus
[10:44] <cwillu> what have I done
[10:44] <solid_liq> hehe
[10:44] <thoreauputic> guys, desktop wars ->> #ubuntu-offtopic  :)
[10:44] <solid_liq> nemoo: yes gnome sucks, and Linus Torvalds agrees, otherwise he wouldn't make fun of its devs
[10:44] <cwillu> I've just trounced through every flame war from emacs vs vi to gnome vs kde :)
[10:44] <thoreauputic> solid_liq: please note my suggestion
[10:45] <Ademan> why doesnt firefox draw form elements (listbox, text area etc) with gtk?
[10:45] <cwillu> of course, the kernel team didn't think that swapping out user processes for more cache was a problem, because it would make updatedb run 3 seconds faster :)
[10:45] <nemoo> solid_liq ,i don't care what Linus has said ....just care what he has done
[10:45] <soundray> Ademan: install firefox-gnome-support
[10:45] <kazil> this "vi - case-thingy" does`t seems to work...
[10:45] <cwillu> thoreauputic: no worries, we've actually been flaming about vi: escape vs ctrl+c for 10 minutes :)
[10:45] <solid_liq> kazil: ?
[10:46] <artfors> does anyone know why beagel don't index my documents folder?
[10:46] <cwillu> kazil: terminal needs to be restarted first, and it only applies to the completion (hitting tab)
[10:46] <thoreauputic> cwillu: yeah I noticed ;)
[10:46] <kazil> cwillu: ok
[10:46] <solid_liq> artfors: check its config file
[10:46] <Ademan> soundray: iirc i've already got that
[10:46] <thoreauputic> cwillu: lets keep the flamewars out of the channel though
[10:46] <artfors> done  that
[10:46] <Ademan> how does epiphany match up to firefox out of curiosity?
[10:46] <soundray> Ademan: restarted firefox since?
[10:47] <solid_liq> Ademan: epiphany isn't very good
[10:47] <dsas> Ademan: Firefox isn't very good.
[10:47] <dsas> Ademan: It comes down to personal preference basically.
[10:47] <cwillu> speaking of flamewars :p
[10:47] <spikeb> hehe
[10:47] <solid_liq> Ademan: if you want an alternative to firefox, try opera, or konqueror if you want something smaller/lighter
[10:47] <Ademan> soundray: iirc i've had it since the beggining, i can't honestly say its not drawing with gtk, its just not obeying my gnome theme... which i thought applies to all gtk widgets
[10:47] <kazil> now it works :)
[10:48] <spikeb> could we NOT recommend proprietary software as the first alternative?
[10:48] <cwillu> yay!
[10:48] <kazil> next lesson?
[10:48] <Krhis> Developers, developers, developers, developers, developers.... this is a catchy song.
[10:48] <dsas> solid_liq: If you're running a gnome desktop konqueror will not be lighter than epiphany due to it having to load in kde libs
[10:48] <solid_liq> Ademan: opera is from a company, and konqueror is actually supported by apple because they based their safari browser on it
[10:48] <cwillu> Ademan: if I recall correctly, mozilla/firefox actually fakes all the widgets (although it does a damn good job)
[10:48] <soundray> Ademan: why don't you check it out -- "dpkg -l firefox-gnome-support"
[10:48] <Ademan> if safari is based on it i'm not touching it lol
[10:48] <cwillu> Ademan: I'm not sure if that applies to the gtk build though
[10:48] <artfors> solid_liq: I'v also deleted the .beagle folder twis
[10:48] <solid_liq> spikeb: hey, I have to recommend in order of best first, whether it's opensource or not
[10:48] <cwillu> kazil: locate is a handy command too
[10:49] <spikeb> solid_liq: if the devs followed that mantra, opera would be the default browser.
[10:49] <dsas> solid_liq: Best it totally subjective though.
[10:49] <cwillu> kazil: 'locate foo' will find every file on the drive that has 'foo' in the filename
[10:49] <dsas> s/it/is
[10:49] <kazil> i think there`s a sudo...something command to mount the win part... hm?
[10:49] <cwillu> windows partition?
[10:49] <kazil> yep
[10:50] <cwillu> one sec, been a while since I'
[10:50] <thoreauputic> !mountwindows
[10:50] <cwillu> ve done that
[10:50] <soundray> kazil: yes, there is. NTFS is read-only though
[10:50] <solid_liq> kazil: mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows
[10:50] <ubotu> I know nothing about mountwindows
[10:50] <cwillu> a yes
[10:50] <thoreauputic> !windowsdrives
[10:50] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountPartitions
[10:50] <solid_liq> kazil: mount should autodetect the fs type; if not, mount -t ntfs /dev/blah
[10:50] <Ademan> I didnt even think about this, but firefox has its OWN themes... so i wonder if they take precidence, and so if it wanted to retain its own themes it would hafta do its own drawing/blitting without gtk
[10:50] <kazil> so locate song.mp3 would gimme the location of song.mp3?
[10:50] <cwillu> kazil:  or locate piece-of-song-name
[10:51] <thoreauputic> Ademan: afaiks FF themes take precedence, yes
[10:51] <solid_liq> Ademan: I believe so, but firefox (if built to) does use gtk for its rendering of widgets
[10:51] <thoreauputic> *cough* afaics
[10:51] <cwillu> kazil: updatedb runs every night automatically to keep the indices up to date, so if you install something new, you'd have to 'sudo updatedb' first
[10:51] <kazil> does it automatically jump to that location?
[10:51] <cwillu> (or wait a day)
[10:51] <cwillu> try it and see
[10:51] <soundray> kazil: no
[10:51] <Ademan> solid_liq: even in the default build? because it really doesnt seem to be doing so, but i'll try restarting firefox... see if that does it (and yeah, i've had firefox-gnome-support since the beggining
[10:52] <solid_liq> no, updatedb is old school
[10:52] <soundray> kazil: that wouldn't make sense, because copies of your song could be in multiple locations.
[10:52] <soundray> kazil: or other files of the same name
[10:52] <cwillu> soundray: you can do evil stuff with that too
[10:52] <solid_liq> Ademan: I don't know how they built it, but I've built it from source before and gtk was one of the config options; otherwise it just talks to X directly
[10:52] <soundray> kazil: if you want to find something on your Windows partition, you have to run "sudo updatedb" before locate (to update the index)
[10:52] <nemoo> solid_liq: a new method instead of updatedb ???
[10:53] <nemoo> crontab + updatedb ???
[10:53] <nemoo> he he
[10:53] <solid_liq> nemoo: that's what beagle and friends are for
[10:53] <soundray> cwillu: I'm not following...
[10:53] <cwillu> nah, locate still has its uses
[10:53] <nemoo> beagle sometime wont work smoothly
[10:53] <solid_liq> nemoo: but I don't think there's a really good alternative quite yet
[10:53] <raphink> solid_liq: no thanks, I care about my computer being able to run things I need and not get borked with beagled
[10:53] <cwillu> soundray: gedit `locate xorg.conf` :)
[10:53] <solid_liq> ;D and that's why
[10:53] <cwillu> (don't actually do it though)
[10:54] <solid_liq> raphink: that's why I don't run it either
[10:54] <raphink> most of the time I use find when I know the file is pretty close
[10:54] <cwillu> solid_liq: it actually works great with the idle_prio kernel patches
[10:54] <solid_liq> or just:   vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf   :D
[10:54] <raphink> otherwise locate on machines that have a cron on it
[10:55] <soundray> cwillu: 'gedit $(locate xorg.conf | head -n 1)'
[10:55] <solid_liq> cwillu: what about with a 4200rpm lappy hd?
[10:55] <cwillu> solid_liq: make it run only in idle cycles, with a low io priority, and you can't even tell it's running other than mem
[10:55] <cwillu> soundray: you're no fun at all, surpassing my evilness like that :)
[10:55] <VladDrac> hi
[10:55] <nemoo> updatedb + locate more slower than find
[10:55] <nemoo> he he
[10:55] <raphink> soundray: find /etc -name xorg.conf | head -n 1 | xargs gedit
[10:55] <raphink> hhe
[10:55] <VladDrac> what's the correct way under dapper/gnome to join a wpa wireless network?
[10:55] <raphink> hehe
[10:55] <cwillu> lol
[10:56] <cwillu> raphink: but that assumes you know it's in etc
[10:56] <VladDrac> through some menu's and settings I manage to find a list of essids, but it only seems to support wep
[10:56] <mhb> hey yall
[10:56] <cwillu> shouldn't have to updatedb usually anyway
[10:56] <raphink> cwillu: that assumes you know conf goes in /etc ;)
[10:56] <raphink> cwillu: but using the cli assumes you know a bit about nix systems ;)
[10:56] <mhb> anyone of you use xterm with local characters?
[10:57] <cwillu> yes, but this is a crash course for a linux noob who just about ran back to windows because he couldn't delete a folder because nobody told him how to use sudo :)
[10:57] <raphink> also assumes you know the xorg conf file is named xorg.conf ;)
[10:57] <soundray> raphink: 'ls -R / | grep xorg.conf | realpath | xargs gedit' :)
[10:57] <raphink> soundray: barbarian
[10:57] <cwillu> really, I'm just throwing out file name that he might be interested in so that he might actually recall the filename at some point
[10:57] <mhb> because the font with Ubuntu looks really ugly when displaying local (non-iso-8559-1) characters
[10:57] <raphink> soundray:
[10:57] <mhb> (xterm)
[10:57] <cwillu> kazil: how goes the mounting?
[10:57] <raphink> soundray: 'ls -R / | grep xorg.conf | grep -v ~ | realpath | xargs gedit'
[10:58] <cwillu> kazil: dumb question, but did you mkdir a folder for the mount first?  (I _think_ you need to do that)
[10:58] <solid_liq> mhb: why don't you search for more fonts?
[10:58] <soundray> raphink: good point
[10:58] <kazil> when: sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda2 mnt/windows result is: mount point mnt/windows does not exist
[10:58] <raphink> soundray: hehe ;)
[10:58] <cwillu> kazil: make sure you've made a folder called windows first
[10:58] <gianni> kazil, try with /mnt/windows, not mnt/windows
[10:58] <kazil> i created in mnt a folder windows
[10:58] <cwillu> and put a slash before that mnt
[10:58] <solid_liq> cwillu: you absolutely must have a preexisting folder to mount on
[10:58] <raphink> kazil: how about creating it?
[10:59] <solid_liq> kazil: it should be /mnt/windows
[10:59] <cwillu> kazil: in ~?
[10:59] <kazil> i did use /mnt/windows
[10:59] <cwillu> okay, then put the slash in that command
[10:59] <mhb> solid_liq: OK, where can I get the same font (like fixed) with good-looking characters?
[10:59] <cwillu> mount /foo/bar /mnt/windows
[10:59] <raphink> kazil: side note : LSB standard says /mnt/ is to be used for temporary mounting, and not as subdirectories
[10:59] <solid_liq> mhb: dunno, I'm american :D
[10:59] <raphink> kazil: according to LSB, youshould use /media/windows instead
[11:00] <cwillu> raphink: thanks, been wondering about that :)
[11:00] <raphink> cwillu: about what?
[11:00] <cwillu> lsb
[11:00] <raphink> ah
[11:00] <cwillu> media vs mnt
[11:00] <mhb> solid_liq: thanks anyway :o)
[11:00] <raphink> cwillu: the doc is public and online :)
[11:00] <kazil> cwillu: yes in ~
[11:00] <cwillu> raphink: and I have a limited memory
[11:00] <kazil> raphink: gonna try that
[11:00] <raphink> cwillu: /mnt is for temporary manual mount, and is not to contain hard subdirs
[11:01] <soundray> kazil: do this: 'sudo mkdir /media/windows ; sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda2 /media/windows'
[11:01] <raphink> cwillu: it's made to just "mount /dev/whatever -t whatever /mnt"
[11:01] <thoreauputic> raphink: interesting :)
[11:01] <thoreauputic> raphink: habit made me create some subdirs in /mnt - but I see the point
[11:01] <Ademan> is the gnome configurator in the repositories?
[11:02] <raphink> thoreauputic: yes I know this habbit, used to have it too
[11:02] <gianni> Anybody knows nslookup or dig syntax to get _kerberos record ?
[11:02] <raphink> thoreauputic: now keeping /mnt clean is very useful, too
[11:02] <thoreauputic> raphink: :)
[11:02] <kazil> soundray: /media/windows allready exists
[11:02] <Daniel0> is there no compiler installed by default?
[11:02] <raphink> http://www.freestandards.org/en/LSB
[11:02] <omodo> Hi. What's the .gtk-rc file for Ubuntu?
[11:02] <thoreauputic> raphink: yes, I can see that
[11:02] <Guardian> hello
[11:02] <raphink> Daniel0: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:02] <Daniel0> ok thanks
[11:02] <kazil> soundray: the mount doesn`t work
[11:02] <soundray> Ademan: do you mean gconf-editor ?
[11:02] <cwillu> kazil, other interested parties:  any chance it's already mounted?
[11:02] <Guardian> what do you use when you want to backup stuff ??? backup script that builds a tarball ???
[11:02] <kazil> neither for mnt neiter for media
[11:02] <Ademan> soundray: possibly?
[11:02] <Lukian> What port does cups run on?
[11:03] <cwillu> kazil: cd to that directory and do an 'ls'
[11:03] <Lukian> (for http interface)
[11:03] <kazil> i don`t think so, but maybe...
[11:03] <solid_liq> gianni: kerberos records aren't available from dns server or from whois servers
[11:03] <soundray> Ademan: it's a standard part of gnome. Just enter it after Alt-F2
[11:03] <Avochelm> hi. i just installed ubuntu 6.06 alternative. i remember typing in a password for the default user but i don't remember choosing a user name. what would the default user name be?
[11:03] <soundray> Avochelm: ubuntu, probably.
[11:03] <raphink> Lukian: 631
[11:03] <omodo> I tried putting .gtkrc-2.0 in my home directory, but it didn't work.
[11:03] <gianni> solid_liq, really ?
[11:04] <solid_liq> gianni: yep
[11:04] <raphink> Lukian: grep ipp /etc/services
[11:04] <Ademan> soundray: no not that, http://freshmeat.net/projects/confgnome/
[11:04] <raphink> Lukian: although you can easily change that in cupsd.conf
[11:04] <soundray> Avochelm: if you can't figure it out, boot in recovery mode and run 'grep 1000 /etc/passwd'
[11:04] <gianni> solid_liq, please take a look at this http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/01mar/I-D/krb-wg-krb-dns-locate-02.txt
[11:05] <Ademan> its not under confgnome
[11:05] <Lukian> raphink: I'm wondering how to check the ink out / levels on Epson printers
[11:05] <Avochelm> soundray, thanks, i'll give that a try
[11:05] <raphink> Lukian: there's an epson tools package
[11:05] <cwillu> Ademan: you're not looking for gconf-editor are you?
[11:05] <Yonda> I've just installed Network Manager, and it hasnt appeared anywhere...How can I run it?
[11:05] <kazil> mounted it, but can`t access it...
[11:05] <cwillu> Ademan: i.e., regedit for gnome?
[11:05] <Ademan> cwillu: nope
[11:05] <Lukian> raphink: in the repositories or elsewhere?
[11:05] <cwillu> k
[11:05] <Ademan> thanks though
[11:05] <raphink> Lukian: apt-get search epson
[11:05] <omodo> any other way to configure Gnome? stuff like setting a cursor color?
[11:05] <cwillu> kazil: sudo ls?
[11:05] <raphink> Lukian: iirc it's mtink
[11:06] <raphink> Lukian: graphical even
[11:06] <Ademan> the freshmeat link is what i'm after, i'm just wondering if its in the repositories, otherwise i'll just install from source
[11:06] <raphink> Lukian: mtink - Status monitor and configuration tool for Epson inkjet printers
[11:06] <soundray> Ademan: I don't have a package for that, either. Probably to early in development.
[11:06] <soundray> s/to/too/
[11:06] <raphink> Yonda:should work automatically
[11:06] <kazil> cwillu: yep, everythings there...
[11:07] <Ademan> soundray: eh ok, i just noticed it in a gnome looks screenshot and it looked interesting/useful
[11:07] <Ademan> its no big deal to me
[11:08] <omodo> anyone knows how to set the cursor color for Gnome applications on Dapper?
[11:08] <Yonda> raphink, I have it installed on another machine, and it worked automatically there, but this time nothing has happened...
[11:08] <aspro> hello, does anybody in here know whether the live cd is capable of mounting hfs+ partitions?
[11:08] <Yonda> even though it says its installed...
[11:08] <cwillu> kazil, interested parties:  I think sudo chmod a+r /media/windows/. will make it readable, or is there a magic key to mount needed here too like for smb?
[11:08] <kazil> but still can not acces it neither through file browser, neither with cd...
[11:08] <raphink> Yonda: did you try to relaunch it ?
[11:08] <Yonda> raphink, how do i do that?
[11:08] <soundray> aspro: I think so.
[11:08] <kazil> cwillu: going to try that
[11:08] <thoreauputic> aspro: probably - sudo mount -t hfsplus /dev/foo /mnt
[11:09] <aspro> cheers, I'll give it a go
[11:09] <kazil> cwillu: is sudo chmod 777 /media/windows/ the same? it`s easier with numbers for me...
[11:09] <solid_liq> no, mount -t hfs /dev/foo /mnt
[11:09] <thoreauputic> solid_liq: no, wrong
[11:09] <solid_liq> (read man mount)
[11:09] <soundray> thoreauputic: don't you have to manually load a module to be able to read the disklabel?
[11:09] <thoreauputic> solid_liq: its hfsplus
[11:10] <cwillu> kazil: almost;  777 is all permissions to owner, group and everyone else
[11:10] <solid_liq> thoreauputic: then why isn't that listed in the man page for mount?
[11:10] <kazil> i know
[11:10] <cwillu> but doesn't make any practical difference here
[11:10] <Yonda> raphink, How can I relaunch network manager?
[11:10] <thoreauputic> solid_liq: I assure you I have it right - I run ubuntu on an iBook here
[11:10] <cwillu> the a+r would just add read permissions and nothing else
[11:10] <solid_liq> thoreauputic: hmm, well, I've never owned a mac...
[11:10] <thoreauputic> solid_liq: hfs != hfsplus
[11:11] <solid_liq> thoreauputic: right, but hfsplus is not in the man page for mount, just hfs
[11:12] <solid_liq> thoreauputic: just like ntfs from winnt 4 is nothing like ntfs from winxp, it's still just ntfs to mount because the driver takes care of working with the particular version of the filesystem
[11:12] <soundray> solid_liq: it doesn't have to be now, does it? Probably the man page hasn't been updated since hfsplus support was added to the kernel.
[11:12] <thoreauputic> solid_liq: from my fstab:
[11:12] <thoreauputic> solid_liq: /dev/hda3       /media/macosx  hfsplus  users,noauto  0     0
[11:12] <solid_liq> thoreauputic: so I figured it was the same with hfs
[11:12] <cwillu> kazil: if (and when) that doesn't work, it's actually something else you have to put on the mount line (a bit annoying, but typically you'd enter it once into fstab and be done with it)
[11:12] <cwillu> kazil: umount /media/windows to unmound it
[11:13] <bilss> hello
[11:13] <soundray> solid_liq: you figured wrong
[11:13] <solid_liq> thoreauputic: what does mount show it as, the same?
[11:13] <Keyseir> How do I open a passworded rar with default ubuntu apps?
[11:13] <aspro> thoreauputic: worked a charm, thanks! :)
[11:13] <raphink> Yonda: sorryI was awayfor a time. Try  `sudo killall NetworkManager && sudo /usr/sbin/NetworkManager`
[11:13] <Yonda> raphink, thanks ill try that now
[11:13] <raphink> that should launch it again
[11:13] <kazil> it says: read-only file system and nothing happens
[11:14] <soundray> kazil: it's probably mounted now.
[11:14] <solid_liq> thoreauputic: what does mount show for it?
[11:14] <omodo> nobody knows how to set the color of the cursor on Dapper?
[11:14] <farous> raphink: isn't network manager a daemon so /etc/init.d/Networkmanager restart
[11:14] <kazil> need to unmount it first?
[11:14] <Keyseir> how do I input the password i want to open a .rar file with using ubuntu default stuff?
[11:14] <raphink> farous: I don't think so
[11:14] <gianni> Keyseir, try with unrar-non free package
[11:14] <solid_liq> omodo: you just have to set a different cursor
[11:14] <thoreauputic> solid_liq: hang on - patience - I'm doing other stuff here
[11:14] <soundray> !rar
[11:14] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FileCompression
[11:14] <Keyseir> gianni: ok, thx.
[11:14] <bilss> want to ask about building a package from source.  I was told that if you download the source package to /opt then theres no need to set environment variables as you would in the normal way, is this true?
[11:14] <solid_liq> thoreauputic: you just type mount by itself
[11:14] <raphink> farous: I don't have an entry in /etc/init.d although it'd be logical
[11:14] <omodo> solid_liq: how?  my custom .gtkrc gets ignored.
[11:14] <sdfsfd> yo
[11:15] <solid_liq> omodo: dunno I use kde
[11:15] <sdfsfd> hey
[11:15] <sdfsfd> wut up
[11:15] <omodo> solid_liq: thnx anyway
[11:15] <gianni> !dns
[11:15] <raphink> solid_liq: good :)
[11:15] <ubotu> I know nothing about dns
[11:15] <cwillu> kazil: ?
[11:15] <thoreauputic> solid_liq: gee whizz - I never knew that </sarcasm>
[11:15] <gianni> :/
[11:15] <solid_liq> bilss: no
[11:15] <sdfsfd> u guys like breaks?
[11:15] <cwillu> kazil: umount /media/windows
[11:15] <farous> raphink: if i did not purge it i would have checked it again :)
[11:15] <cwillu> kazil:  then take the command you ran before
[11:15] <raphink> farous: hehe
[11:15] <thoreauputic> solid_liq: /dev/hda3 on /media/macosx type hfsplus (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[11:15] <thoreauputic> solid_liq: happy ?
[11:16] <Yonda> raphink, I tried that in terminal, and it complied with no errors, but i still cant see it anywhere:S
[11:16] <bilss> solid_liq: thanks someone was very wrong
[11:16] <solid_liq> thoreauputic: no :D
[11:16] <thoreauputic> solid_liq: :D
[11:16] <xice> can anyone help with VMware server errors??
[11:16] <kazil> cwillu: which command?
[11:16] <cwillu> kazil: mount -t ntfs /dev/hda2 /media/windows -o dmask=0777,fmask=0777
[11:17] <bilss> so whats the big issue about downloading a source file to opt rather than src?
[11:17] <Keyseir> Where do I get the latest ubuntu sources?
[11:17] <solid_liq> bilss: yeah, you always have to set your environment variables no matter what, there's no magical autosetting of them based on PWD to confuse you
[11:17] <kazil> just a sec
[11:17] <Yonda> raphink, Do you think I should try rebooting or something? I'm not sure...
[11:17] <cwillu> kazil: I don't have a local windows partition to test it on, but it works with the remote share, and is listed in a few forum articles for use with local ntfs mounts
[11:17] <solid_liq> bilss: make sure to set -march= appropriately too, and use -O2 or -Os
[11:18] <raphink> Yonda: I doubt it'll fix it
[11:18] <harm> how do i connect to IRC via a proxy using Xchat
[11:18] <solid_liq> bilss: that's plain stupid.  You should download the source to a directory under your home directory.  make install   is what will place the built application in /opt or /usr or wherever
[11:19] <bilss> solid_lig: -march= and use -02 or -0s  any suggested reading on this
[11:19] <solid_liq> bilss: and ./configure will allow you to set where it goes
[11:19] <bilss> yes the configure you can direct it to where it needs to go
[11:19] <gianni> harm, go to Settings Menu, Preferences, Network
[11:19] <solid_liq> bilss: man gcc, then type /march=  and read
[11:19] <cwillu> kazil: btw, man <command or filename> is your friend :)
[11:20] <cwillu> i.e., man mount
[11:20] <harm> gianni dont see that
[11:20] <thoreauputic> solid_liq: you're a gentoo refugee, aren't you ? *g*
[11:20] <solid_liq> bilss: -O2 means a safe level of optimization, -Os is slightly less safe optimization without using optimizations that increase the final size of the binary
[11:20] <harm> gianna u mean Edit > Pref. > Network?
[11:21] <solid_liq> thoreauputic: heheh, yep
[11:21] <thoreauputic> solid_liq: I never would have guessed... *g*
[11:21] <solid_liq> thoreauputic: slackware before that, redhat before that, mandrake before that, redhat again before that :D
[11:21] <kazil> cwillu: with dmask and fmask doesn`t work...
[11:21] <Kipps> ew mandrake
[11:21] <Kipps> can't say i've ever gotten along with mandrake
[11:21] <solid_liq> thoreauputic: never much liked debian because it's so out of date
[11:21] <kazil> going for a manual :)
[11:22] <cwillu> kazil: what does ls -l say in the /media directory about the permissions?
[11:22] <solid_liq> Kipps: I'm not big on mandrake either :D
[11:22] <thoreauputic> solid_liq: really? I started on pdp-11 and IBM360 with punch cards
[11:22] <solid_liq> Kipps: but that was like version 7.1 I used I think
[11:22] <thoreauputic> ;D
[11:22] <Kipps> always had problems with the mandrake installer hanging or whatever
[11:22] <solid_liq> thoreauputic: erm, I was talking about linux distros ;)
[11:22] <Kipps> every other distro seemed to work just fine
[11:22] <thoreauputic> solid_liq: whippersnapper
[11:23] <cwillu> kazil: did you umount it first?
[11:23] <solid_liq> I started with Apple ] [c though
[11:23] <apokryphos> Kipps: mandriva kinda sucks unfortunately
[11:23] <Yonda> Are there any other wireless managers that support WPA?
[11:24] <solid_liq> ...then Radio Shack 100, then Tandy 102, then Zenith Data Systems 8088...
[11:24] <solid_liq> Yonda: vim with wpasupplicant ;)
[11:24] <kazil> cwillu: with dmask&fmask permissions are NONE, not even the first r and x
[11:24] <cwillu> kazil: did you umount it first?
[11:24] <kazil> without masks there is the first r and x
[11:24] <gianni> harm, what is your X-Chat version number ?
[11:25] <kazil> yes i did
[11:25] <farous> apokryphos: when i used mandriva it was really good. But now that i know better any rpm based distro sucks
[11:25] <Yonda> solid_liq, it seems i already have that installed...how can I configure it?
[11:25] <farous> apt rule bottom line
[11:25] <solid_liq> thoreauputic: oh, I also happen to be a C++ software engineer :P
[11:25] <solid_liq> Yonda: it's in /etc/networking
[11:25] <thoreauputic> solid_liq: congratulations
[11:26] <Yonda> solid_liq, thanks
[11:26] <cwillu> try -o ro,dmask=0222,fmask=0333
[11:26] <solid_liq> thoreauputic: I meant as far as the compiling stuff is concerned :D
[11:26] <kazil> anywayz whats this fmask, dmask?
[11:26] <cwillu> kazil: it sets the permissions on file and folder access on the mount
[11:27] <kazil> i see... and the ro?
[11:27] <cwillu> readonly
[11:27] <cwillu> which might have to be specified when we're listing options
[11:27] <solid_liq> anyone have a wo filesystem? :D
[11:28] <cwillu> solid_liq: could be handy;  akin to emailing something
[11:28] <solid_liq> rw is read/write btw
[11:28] <solid_liq> cwillu: yep
[11:28] <pekay> how do I get OSS support ?
[11:28] <solid_liq> cwillu: or as a data dump for employees who aren't allowed to change something once they've written it
[11:29] <cwillu> I wanna mount /media/email write only so I can echo<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:29] <Yonda> solid_liq according to the wiki, there should be a /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf file, however that file isnt there...
[11:29] <apokryphos> pekay: what exactly do you mean? Support for OSS apps?
[11:29] <compengi> how do i open a new server on xchat
[11:29] <compengi> ?
[11:29] <solid_liq> pekay: use the alsa-oss emulation
[11:29] <solid_liq> Yonda: did you apt-get install wpasupplicant?
[11:29] <pekay> apokryphos: mmm i think, well Cedega says OSS doesnt work, Alsa does yet if I run Steam with alsa, no sound lol
[11:29] <kazil> it lives! hurray!
[11:29] <cwillu> hip hip!
[11:29] <Yonda> solid_liq, yes I did
[11:29] <cwillu> kazil: now, that will go away the next time you reboot :)
[11:30] <solid_liq> hmmm
[11:30] <apokryphos> oh, the sound server
[11:30] <farous> pekay: oss do not support sound mixing something else is using your sound card
[11:30] <cwillu> what you _really_ want to do is put a similar line in /etc/fstab
[11:30] <pekay> hum
[11:30] <bilss> solid_lig: thanks for the feedback on source packages for me the most important points are knowing where to install to at ./configure and how to set the  environmental variables
[11:30] <kazil> and i don`t need to mount every time?
[11:30] <farous> pekay: for sound mixing with oss applications and using alsa as sound server install alsa-oss
[11:30] <cwillu> exactly
[11:30] <Yonda> "wpasupplicant is already the newest version."
[11:30] <kazil> i`ll do anything to avoid that!
[11:31] <solid_liq> bilss: type ./configure --help and read that for the config options
[11:31] <farous> pekay: then run the application therough the wrapper aoss /usr/bin/applname
[11:31] <pekay> farous: ah using "aoss cedega" i guess :p
[11:31] <kazil> gimme the instructions, o great one!
[11:31] <pekay> aew thanks
[11:31] <pekay> :[
[11:31] <pekay> :] *
[11:31] <cwillu> kazil: /foo/bar /media/windows ntfs auto,ro,dmask=0   0   0
[11:31] <farous> :)
[11:31] <solid_liq> bilss: and you may only need to set CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS, but it depends on what you're building
[11:31] <kazil> just that?
[11:31] <cwillu> kazil: using your uber sudo editing powers you learned before to edit /etc/fstab and put that line in :)
[11:31] <farous> pekay: check if you have /dev/dsp first
[11:32] <cwillu> s/earned/learned/
[11:32] <pekay> farous: test failed again for OSS, no /dev/dsp not there
[11:32] <kazil> not that bloody vi again
[11:32] <cwillu> kazil: double check that it doesn't have a similar line already
[11:32] <farous> pekay give me a min
[11:32] <cwillu> kazil: use gedit :)
[11:32] <pekay> oki
[11:32] <cwillu> sudo gedit filename
[11:33] <solid_liq> kazil: what's wrong with vim? too powerful? ;)
[11:33] <paramed> I'm back..
[11:33] <paramed> sorry.. had to run out there..
[11:33] <paramed> so.. who can help me with readpst?
[11:33] <cwillu> solid_liq: don't go there;  we've already been there, and I just about got kicked from the channel :)
[11:33] <inc^^> After installing XGL, it worked, but when I ran xmodmap /usr/share/xmodmap/xmodmap.fi -most of the shortcuts stopped working
[11:33] <solid_liq> cwillu: :D
[11:33] <farous> pekay: ok sudo modprobe snd_pcm_oss
[11:33] <farous> then check the /dev/dsp again
[11:33] <inc^^> like I can't move windows by holding ALT and dragging them
[11:33] <cwillu> solid_liq, kazil:  don't worry, I think kazil already left for the other machine anyway
[11:33] <apokryphos> inc^^: how are you specifying your shortcuts? Could you pastebin it?
[11:34] <kazil> so... sudo vi /etc/fstab ? add /foo/bar /media/windows ntfs auto,ro,dmask=0   0   0 ?
[11:34] <kazil> i`m still here :P
[11:34] <solid_liq> cwillu: he doesn't know about ssh?
[11:34] <kazil> you won`t get rid of me that easily :P
[11:34] <inc^^> apokryphos: I just followed the guide: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=148860&highlight=xgl+kde
[11:34] <cwillu> solid_liq: I was leading up to it via vi, actually :)
[11:34] <cwillu> kazil: use gedit instead of vi
[11:34] <solid_liq> kazil: you know ssh, right?
[11:34] <cwillu> solid_liq: he doesn't have network access on that machine yet
[11:34] <kazil> well ss was hitlers police in the WW2 :D
[11:34] <farous> pekay: iwana return to my cv man :) so did you get your /dev/dsp yet
[11:34] <solid_liq> cwillu: oic
[11:34] <apokryphos> inc^^: how are you specifying your shortcuts? Could you pastebin it?
[11:35] <pekay> farous: errr just asked for pass and thats it
[11:35] <thoreauputic> solid_liq: the guy is new - stop overwhelming the poor chap with your l33t sk1llz
[11:35] <pekay> :/
[11:35] <cwillu> kazil: ssh is textmode remote access (in short)
[11:35] <thoreauputic> ;)
[11:35] <Yonda> solid_liq, Any other ideas?
[11:35] <solid_liq> thoreauputic: heheh
[11:35] <cwillu> kazil: but yes, type in sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[11:35] <inc^^> apokryphos: Where do I find those?
[11:35] <apokryphos> inc^^: /usr/share/xmodmap/xmodmap.fi
[11:35] <farous> pekay: when you run sudo you have to supply your user passwd. i presume you are the only user on your box
[11:35] <apokryphos> inc^^: .....isn't that what you said you're using?
[11:35] <cwillu> kazil: alternatively gksudo would also work, but we'll leave that alone for now :)
[11:35] <kazil> now you can talk behind my back :P
[11:35] <inc^^> apokryphos: Yes.
[11:36] <pekay> farous: yeh
[11:36] <sdfsfd> why isnt there a packag efor winelib anymore
[11:36] <farous> and nothing will be returned after you execute the command. this is fine means everything is ok
[11:36] <solid_liq> doesn't having to type sudo all the time confuse beginners?
[11:36] <medulla> ok... i think i have all my codecs installed correctly... but can anyone help me with my file type associations...??
[11:36] <solid_liq> or annoy them?
[11:36] <farous> pekay: no after you finish ls /dev/dsp
[11:36] <cwillu> solid_liq: of course :)
[11:36] <solid_liq> cwillu: so why not just teach them sudo passwd
[11:36] <solid_liq> :D
[11:37] <pekay> farous
[11:37] <pekay> pekay@pekay-desktop:~$ ls /dev/dsp
[11:37] <pekay> /dev/dsp
[11:37] <johnZay> Is there a command in terminal to list hardware?
[11:37] <cwillu> better to get the idea of running individual commands rather than starting and leaving root shells lying around\
[11:37] <farous> pekay: you got it then
[11:37] <pekay> ;o
[11:37] <sdfsfd> cd win
[11:37] <inc^^> Pastebin is not working
[11:37] <thoreauputic> solid_liq: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[11:37] <inc^^> apokryphos: I got only Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /home/pastebin/lib/pastebin/db.mysql.class.php:243)
[11:37] <solid_liq> johnZay: lspci
[11:37] <cwillu> solid_liq: sudo -s works as well
[11:37] <farous> pekay: now so this problem do not appear again do the following
[11:37] <johnZay> lthanks :-0
[11:37] <blackline> Is there any config-tool or such I can go to set up the standard of having icon for "Home", "Wastebin", "This computer", etc? my desktop is empty.
[11:37] <solid_liq> johnZay: and lsusb
[11:37] <inc^^> seems like they forgot output buffering
[11:37] <apokryphos> inc^^: waht, when do you get that?
[11:37] <inc^^> apokryphos: Pastebin.com is broken
[11:38] <farous> pekay: sudo gedit /etc/modules a file will open at the end in a new line type snd_pcm_oss
[11:38] <apokryphos> inc^^: use the pastebin in /topic then
[11:38] <farous> pekay: then close the file
[11:38] <cwillu> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org should work
[11:38] <inc^^> apokryphos: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16165
[11:38] <medulla> file type association help plx?
[11:39] <cwillu> medulla: more specifically?
[11:39] <medulla> i pretty much never wanna use totem again...
[11:39] <medulla> for my video files
[11:39] <spikeb> well
[11:39] <apokryphos> medulla: /msg ubotu default
[11:39] <farous> medulla: ?
[11:39] <Arafangion> medulla: You're not making much sense here.
[11:39] <solid_liq> medulla: I like kaffeine for that
[11:39] <medulla> ?
[11:39] <apokryphos> Arafangion: file associations = default application for a filetype
[11:39] <medulla> yes...
[11:39] <farous> medulla: downgrade totem if you have problems with it. I had some prob and dwongrading solved it
[11:39] <apokryphos> medulla: type /msg ubotu defaultapp, then
[11:39] <cwillu> !default
[11:39] <pekay> farous: have I gotta reboot for that?
[11:39] <ubotu> To change the default application for a filetype in Nautilus, right-click on a file, select Properties -> Open With, and then change the setting. In Kubuntu, Konqueror -> Settings -> Configure and then hit "File Associations"
[11:40] <farous> pekay: no you are good go ahead and use cedega
[11:40] <johnZay> lpci listed my add on hardware but ts there a command which shows my cpyu etc?
[11:40] <medulla> well i just dont want my files to open up with totem when i double click them...
[11:40] <farous> pekay: it will not compalin now
[11:40] <kazil> instead of /foo/bar need to type /dev/hda2?
[11:40] <Arafangion> apokryphos: Perhaps a "How do I change the program to open a file X?"
[11:40] <medulla> and want to know how to change it permanently...
[11:40] <spikeb> johnZay: you can use cat /proc/cpuinfo for cpu info
[11:40] <spikeb> medulla: that will change it perm
[11:40] <Arafangion> apokryphos: Not just "File type association please", that's about the same as "Linux help please" or "bash help please", etc.
[11:40] <farous> medulla: right mouse click > open with> select your preferred appl
[11:41] <pekay> farous: meh, still coming up as failed :/
[11:41] <johnZay> is there anything that justoutputs everything?
[11:41] <apokryphos> Arafangion: no, it's not; if you know what's meant by it then it's fine. KDE refers to it as file associations, for example.
[11:41] <blackline> anyone. how do i get the wastebin on my desktop?
[11:41] <medulla> welll i said more before... but nobody responded...  =/
[11:41] <kazil> cwillu: instead of /foo/bar need to type /dev/hda2?
[11:41] <cwillu> yes
[11:41] <kazil> thx
[11:41] <farous> pekay: are you running another appl that is using the sound
[11:41] <cwillu> making you work for it :)
[11:41] <apokryphos> blackline: /msg ubotu icons
[11:41] <medulla> what media player is everyone using?
[11:41] <apokryphos> kaffeine
[11:41] <inc^^> amarok/kaffeine
[11:42] <spikeb> i use totem, i can usually beat it into submission
[11:42] <medulla> lol
[11:42] <blackline> apokryphos - what, should i write that in terminal?
[11:42] <johnZay> I know there's a command that lists all hardware... i just can't remember what it is
[11:42] <apokryphos> medulla: anything with xine is generally good
[11:42] <apokryphos> blackline: nope, write that in here
[11:42] <johnZay> arrggg
[11:42] <cwillu> apokryphos: type that in here
[11:42] <farous> pekay: close any prog that uses your card then type. cat /usr/share/sounds/gaim/arrive.wav
[11:42] <spikeb> totem-xine, baby
[11:42] <blackline> medulla i started using amarok yesterday and i love it..
[11:42] <farous> pekay: sorry wait
[11:42] <solid_liq> kaffeine/amarok
[11:42] <kazil> added, reboot to see it work?
[11:42] <cwillu> does ubotu know about tells right now?
[11:42] <farous> pekay: close any prog that uses your card then type. cat /usr/share/sounds/gaim/arrive.wav > /dev/dsp
[11:42] <cwillu> !tell cwillu about stuff
[11:42] <paramed> ok.. I have run readpst... and it does not convert my PST file.. it gives the following error:
[11:43] <ubotu> I know nothing about stuff
[11:43] <medulla> has anyone had success with vlc?
[11:43] <paramed> Opening PST file and indexes...
[11:43] <paramed> debug_fp is NULL
[11:43] <paramed> unknown index structure. Could this be a new Outlook 2003 PST file?
[11:43] <paramed> debug_fp is NULL
[11:43] <paramed> Error opening File
[11:43] <apokryphos> johnZay: lspci for pci devices
[11:43] <blackline> apokryphos thanks
[11:43] <paramed> any ideas?
[11:43] <medulla> i know it was pretty useful in windows...
[11:43] <solid_liq> oh and mpc/mpd is cool for music too :D
[11:43] <apokryphos> paramed: do not paste in here.
[11:43] <farous> vlc running perfect here
[11:43] <cwillu> medulla: I like it
[11:43] <paramed> sorry.. didnt know I can't... sorry
[11:43] <blackline> medulla i use vlc for movies, only
[11:43] <medulla> ya
[11:43] <apokryphos> cwillu: he does, yes.
[11:44] <inc^^> so, what is wrong with this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16165 My left alt is not working at all
[11:44] <cwillu> apokryphos: okay;  ubotu wasn't feeling well this morning, so I wasn't sure :)
[11:44] <medulla> i have a NTFS harddrive with all my movies on it... is there any stable for to write to it out?
[11:44] <apokryphos> cwillu: there's been a transition; he's a different bot, now :)
[11:44] <apokryphos> medulla: nope
[11:44] <cwillu> so I hear :)
[11:44] <johnZay> its not just pci devices i want.... I want pci, cpu, hard disk etc all listed in the terminal. I know there's a command to do it 'cos I've seen it before
[11:44] <paramed> any ideas with readpst?
[11:45] <Yonda> I've installed wpasupplicant but there is no /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf!
[11:45] <cwillu> kazil: once you've got that line in there, ubuntu will mount it automaticall at bootup.  To test it first though, umount the share, and then run 'mount -a';  it'll remount anything in fstab that isn't mounted, and thereby test the new line
[11:45] <farous> Yonda: then you create one
[11:45] <farous> Yonda: there should be a demo one though
[11:45] <solid_liq> medulla: huh?
[11:45] <neilbags> Yonda: is there a wpa_supplicant.conf.sample?
[11:45] <apokryphos> johnZay: hwinfo
[11:46] <Yonda> neilbags, no there isnt
[11:46] <solid_liq> johnZay: a script will do it.  That other information is in /proc, like /proc/cpuinfo
[11:46] <Lusse> hello
[11:46] <pekay> fer: yeah got this weird noise :p
[11:46] <neilbags> Yonda: there might be one is /usr/share/doc, else read the man page
[11:46] <farous> Yonda: check in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant
[11:46] <BCK> anyone know of a good program to sort out your music ?
[11:46] <medulla> sorry... i typed that really wrong... iv been up for 35 hours, is there any stable program that will let me write to a NTFS harddrive...
[11:46] <pekay> farous*: yeah got this weird noise :p
[11:46] <farous> pekay: then it is working
[11:46] <thoreauputic> medulla: short answer is no
[11:47] <pekay> wooo!
[11:47] <pekay> thanks
[11:47] <farous> pekay instead of cat try aplay
[11:47] <LondoMollari> hey anyone tried to install google earth, but got "segmentation fault" right after the splash screen?
[11:47] <kazil> cwillu: works OK! thanx man :)
[11:47] <farous> pekay: will give you better sound
[11:47] <thoreauputic> medulla: long answer is captive ntfs but it doesn't ework on Ubuntu
[11:47] <pekay> must have been firefox with the aoss for flash