[00:02] <nucc1> anyone bought a pc from linux emporium before? i'm looking at the shuttle, and i wanna know if i can extend it for a dual-head setup
[00:03] <nucc1> scratch that. it seems it has a pci-e slot.
[00:03] <nucc1> just need an apt GPU.
[00:50] <justinBUJITSUBRO> good night yall can anyone know how to find the back door to a eMachines bios: V3.07
[00:51] <justinBUJITSUBRO> i have forgoten my password
[00:51] <justinBUJITSUBRO> i wrote when i bought it
[00:53] <justinBUJITSUBRO> ok cyall
[01:49] <Catbuskris> hi guys does anyone know the path analogous to /dev/video0 for audio?
[01:50] <Catbuskris> /dev/audio0 doesn't exist. i know it has something to do with pulseaudio but i don't know what to write for the path :(
[01:53] <Catbuskris> update: you prefix your command with padsp and it makes /dev/dsp work.
[01:53] <Catbuskris> thanks guys
[01:53] <Catbuskris> :D
[06:39] <czajkowski> *yawns*
[06:40] <czajkowski> morning
[06:43] <AlanBell> morning
[06:47] <czajkowski> AlanBell: hey hows you
[07:12] <diplo> Morning all
[07:27] <Knightwise> Morning
[08:02] <andylockran> Morning.
[08:27] <oimon> anyone got notify messages working for thunderbird 6? the extension is broken now :(
[08:34] <j0nr> morning
[08:34] <diplo> oimon: I got so fed up with TB and cpu usage and plugin issues I've just moved to Evolution now
[08:34] <diplo> :/
[08:34] <j0nr> I need a brain to pick about bash scripting
[08:34] <oimon> diplo: evolution crashed every day for a year on me
[08:35] <diplo> Oh :/
[08:35] <oimon> tb is using 0 cpu
[08:35] <diplo> Works for me, but only moved yesterday so we will see, but my colleague moved a couple of weeks ago and has been fine
[08:35] <diplo> really..
[08:35] <popey> \o/ webmail
[08:35] <popey> Good morning also
[08:36] <diplo> Mine kills my machine, debating about a reinstall anyhoo
[08:36] <diplo> Use webmail for most of my services apart from work
[08:36] <andylockran> hey guys - got an old intrepid box.. using a ppd file for a Zebra printer and it doesn't work - on later versions of cups (natty) it works fine
[08:37] <andylockran> any ideas whether it'll be tied to a cups version?
[09:14] <drussell> andylockran: it shouldn't be tied... but it's easy enough to backup the PPD and try it
[09:16] <andylockran> drussell: I'm using a custom ppd that I've modified
[09:17] <JamesTait> Happy Friday, team!
[09:22] <czajkowski> mother of god NZ is killing Japan
[09:23] <kirrus> I'm missing something here... there isn't a war on between NZ and Japan, right?
[09:23] <kirrus> ;)
[09:24] <BigRedS> If czajkowski is talking about it, it's either rugby or ubuntu, and that doesn't sound a lot like ubuntu :)
[09:24] <kirrus> Ahh, Rugby.
[09:24] <kirrus> 1009: RUGBY UNION - Hosts New Zealand are now 52-0 up against Japan in their second match of the World Cup, having scored six tries in the first half. More than 25 minutes left.
[09:24] <kirrus> That is pretty embarassing for Japan...
[09:25] <czajkowski> 69 - 7
[09:25] <gord> well its not really a big sport there
[09:29] <czajkowski> BigRedS: ahh you do know me
[09:29] <czajkowski> gord: no bickies for you smart arse
[09:30] <kirrus> czajkowski: to be fair, it's not a big sport here (England) either. ;)
[09:32] <czajkowski> kirrus: go to the naughty step
[09:32]  * kirrus slinks off tail between legs
[09:33] <andylockran> czajkowski: Japan have had some pretty nice backs moves though
[09:33] <andylockran> unlucky on the forward pass by their prop a second ago
[09:49] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:50] <Pernig> morning brobostigon
[09:50] <brobostigon> morning Pernig
[09:55]  * Laney wibbles
[09:58] <kirrus> Why are you wibbling, Laney?
[09:58] <Laney> made of jelly
[10:00]  * oimon is having fun with ruby on rails apps :(
[10:01] <davmor2> oimon: I read that as rugby on rails I blame czajkowski for that though all her talk of rugby all the time :D
[10:01]  * BigRedS sympathises with oimon
[10:02]  * oimon wishes there was a #ubuntu-rugby group
[10:02] <BigRedS> I do think 'having fun' as a euphemism for 'not enjoying myself' is stretched rather far when applied to anything ruby related
[10:02] <kirrus> For those using a non-free O.S, Portal is free atm: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/09/16/portal-free/
[10:02] <oimon> yeah, rails app + passenger + ssl
[10:02] <oimon> i think it's working now
[10:02] <oimon> now i know why people buys apps instead :)
[10:04]  * oimon must remember to use the toilet before announcing a time window for a service to be down for maintenance :-\
[10:05] <hamitron> :D
[10:05] <davmor2> MooDoo: you online yet you slacker
[10:08] <Pernig> thanks kirrus
[10:10]  * czajkowski stabs davmor2 and MooDoo
[10:10] <directhex> oimon, ruby on rails is a kids' framework, for people running "servers" on old pentium 3 boxes in their bedrooms and who *never* need to deploy properly
[10:10] <directhex> i can't think of another reason for the dreadful design of the thing
[10:10] <hamitron> what is wrong with pentium 3? ;/
[10:12] <popey> heh
[10:12] <popey> secondary Morning btw
[10:14] <BigRedS> hamitron: yeah, apart from RoR I can't see anything wrong with directhex's scenario...
[10:14] <directhex> undeployable software has no reason for existing
[10:15] <BigRedS> the thrill of the challenge!
[10:16] <kirrus> Gentoo exists for that challenge...
[10:16] <davmor2> czajkowski: you leave MooDoo out of it he happily off being a dad again, no excuse to deaf out his mates obviously but ha ho
[10:18] <oimon> although now it's running it's pretty stable
[10:19] <oimon> although my puppet dashboard sucks as it's running on webbrick
[10:19] <oimon> can't be bothered to spend a day fixing that
[10:57]  * kirrus rants about customers ranting about our 'terrible' support when they refuse to contact us to.. ask for support.
[10:59] <Laney> ugh, international travel
[11:00] <hamitron> how can you rescan all usb devices?
[11:01] <hamitron> I unplugged a hdd, and want to plug it back in, but it isn't detecting it
[11:01] <hamitron> :/
[11:02] <Pernig> is it not detecting it at all, or is it just not mounting?
[11:02] <hamitron> nothing in dmesg
[11:02] <Pernig> showing up when you use lsusb?
[11:02] <brobostigon> lsusb doesnt show it?
[11:03] <hamitron> no
[11:03] <Pernig> sometimes when i unplug something then plug it back in in ubuntu
[11:03] <Pernig> usually after 'safely removing' it
[11:04] <Pernig> i have to plug it into a different port for it to show up again
[11:04] <hamitron> that isn't really an option here
[11:04] <hamitron> :/
[11:05] <hamitron> I guess I could move my desk to get to the back
[11:05] <hamitron> but easier to reboot
[11:05] <hamitron> so was wondering if there is a way in the software, to avoid this
[11:07] <Pernig> depending on the device, i think using eject rather than safely remove might help
[11:08] <Pernig> that's what i use for my card reader (the device i have this problem with)
[11:08] <hamitron> ok, will try that
[11:09] <brobostigon> Pernig: so one option uses unmount and the other eject ?
[11:11] <Pernig> brobostigon: i'm not sure on the backend of it, but i think safely remove unmounts then cuts the device off completely (if the device allows)
[11:11] <Pernig> whereas eject just unmounts, say if you have a card reader and you want to remove a card to replace with another later
[11:11] <hamitron> well, i did unplug it
[11:11] <hamitron> :/
[11:12] <hamitron> just won't re-detect when plugged back in
[11:12] <Pernig> hamitron: i know what you mean, the device seems to 'stay off' when plugged back in
[11:12] <hamitron> it is a usb hard drive
[11:12] <brobostigon> Pernig: hmmm, interesting, more reserach required.
[11:13] <Pernig> out of interest, does get its power from USB?
[11:13] <hamitron> no, it has its own power
[11:14] <hamitron> I did read about there been some problem
[11:15] <Pernig> i think even if there is no bug, the options are a little ambiguous and could do with being addressed
[11:15] <hamitron> and someone said unloading the ehci_hcd on a slackware install, to fix it
[11:16] <hamitron> the kernel module I mean
[11:17] <hamitron> [ 3116.036203] usb 1-3.1: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8
[11:17] <Pernig> got to dash, back later
[11:17] <hamitron> laters :)
[11:37] <gord> amazon prime is nice, but sometimes i feel silly for the big delivery truck coming tom my house to deliver one roll of tape that i needed but was too busy to nip out to the shop
[11:39] <davmor2> gord: hahaha
[11:51] <Myrtti> on a grim subject, what is the protocol with the cards etc. sent to funeral directors, are they read aloud at the service?
[11:52] <Myrtti> I know they are in Finland but how about UK?
[11:52] <DJones> Myrtti: I think it would depend on who was taking the funeral
[11:52] <Myrtti> hm?
[11:53] <DJones> Some vicars may read some out, or maybe somebody who knew the person might read some out as part of the euology
[11:54] <Myrtti> ok, thats what I thought
[11:55] <DJones> From the funerals were I've been involved as the stand in verger, I wouldn't say it was common practise though
[11:56] <Myrtti> a friend who I knew through FLOSS circles suddenly died on Tuesday and ordered a Moonpig card, I know it's hard on the family and feeling there are more shoulders carrying the weight is comforting
[11:56] <Myrtti> s/ordered/I ordered/
[11:57] <Myrtti> just didnt know about the protocol, but anyway, thanks
[11:57] <DJones> You're welcome
[13:24] <aptanet_> hmm, minimised xchat to the tray in unity and it has vanished, now way to get back to it even though it is clearly still running
[13:25] <oly> lol, my xchat some times runs with the icon in the unity bar but you can not gain focus :p
[13:26] <aptanet_> I've had to start a new instance
[13:26] <aptanet_> I'm trying to decide whether to try to work out how to retrieve the other one, or simply kill it
[13:27] <aptanet_> I'm sure somebody said that if you give unity a chance you'll grow to like it, so far I'm growing increasingly irritated by it
[13:29] <oly> aptanet, i quite like the interface my biggest issue is that a lot of apps i use dont seem to like it
[13:30] <kirrus> Unity is nice, it just has some awefully horrible bugs.
[13:30] <oly> it likes to fail with full screen apps in particular
[13:30] <aptanet_> my biggest issue is that it makes finding apps more difficult
[13:30] <oly> and i like playing games :)
[13:30] <ball> kirrus: I'm not keen for a couple of reasons, but I like that we have a choice of desktops
[13:30] <ball> Hello TheOpenSourcerer
[13:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> hello ball
[13:31] <oly> i find it easier to find apps for the most part but some just dont show up even when you type the full name
[13:31] <aptanet_> I'm afraid I look on Unity as an interesting proof of concept
[13:31] <oly> gnote being one i tried today :p
[13:31] <aptanet_> I don't want to switch to the keyboard to start typing the name and then back to the mouse to select it
[13:32] <oly> yeah think its got a few years polish needed yet :)
[13:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> Why would a server have a really high load average (~29)  when cpu load and memory are both fine?
[13:32] <kirrus> ball: aye, the choice is useful
[13:32] <ball> I thought for years it would be nice to have a menu at the top of the screen like Atari, Amiga and Apple Macintosh, but it breaks focus-follows mouse and my users would be confused about which window the menu was for.
[13:32] <aptanet_> not to mention for less used apps I often know where they are on the menu, but not what the actual app is called - particularly when a 'friendly' name is sometimes used!
[13:32] <oimon> i am left wondering if unity can ever be usable, even with more polish
[13:32] <kirrus> TheOpenSourcerer: network, disk I/O
[13:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> what's the best way to find out what is causing the load?
[13:33] <aptanet_> ball, yes, I've had to back off focus follows mouse
[13:33] <kirrus> iotop, iptraf, htop
[13:33] <oimon> use top and press i to get rid of idle apps
[13:33] <oimon> check the state "R" for running.
[13:33] <kirrus> Sorry, that was to TheOpenSourcerer. :) If you're running software raid, it could be rebuilding, try cat /proc/mdstat
[13:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> top shows the highest process as [ahem] top ;-)
[13:34] <oimon> there should also be 28 other with R running state
[13:35] <oimon> run:
[13:35] <oimon> top -b -i -n 3 | pastebinit
[13:36] <popey> probably something has been spawned a bazillion times in a cron job
[13:36] <popey> lots of contention
[13:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> ahh -
[13:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> lots of these:
[13:37] <ball> aptanet_: I've been doing to for too long to change now ;-)
[13:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> 13608 root      20   0 18924  248   44 D    0  0.0   0:00.00 cron
[13:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> 13653 root      20   0 18924  248   44 D    0  0.0   0:00.00 cron
[13:37] <ball> aptanet_: The main thing for me is a strong desire not to confuse my users any more than necessary.
[13:37] <kirrus> TheOpenSourcerer: 'pstree -a | less' should give you more of an idea as to what the cronjobs are actually doing
[13:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> Thanks - I now seem to be locked out :-(... Will be digging a tad more.
[13:38]  * popey uses pstree -Aa
[13:39] <kirrus> Argh, I meant -p, not -a
[13:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's being terribly slow with it's replies to pstree. Although the cli itself is OK.
[13:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> Nope - think I am going to have to kill it.
[13:42]  * TheOpenSourcerer blames AlanBell for installing a non-LTS version on a server ;-)
[13:43] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: I think you'll find it was czajkowski fault, it normally is on this channel ;)
[13:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ahh yes - of course you are right davmor2
[13:44] <aptanet_> ball, I've been determined to give unity a chance, but I much prefer using my slower netbook that can't run it than my desktop, so I fear its days may be numbered
[13:45] <ball> aptanet_: I started putting Xubuntu on machines again.
[13:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hmmm- am struggling to get it to do anything now. I have 4 terminal sessions to it and all are not responding. Can I do Magic SYSRQ over ssh?
[13:45] <aptanet_> ball, I used to like XFCE when I was using Debian, but was never that happy with Xubuntu
[13:45] <kirrus> TheOpenSourcerer: you can cat SYSRQ commands into the kernel, but that requires a responsive term :/
[13:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> hmm
[13:46] <kirrus> TheOpenSourcerer: can you remote-powercycle?
[13:46] <ball> aptanet_: What issues did you see with Xubuntu?
[13:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> I can log in and enter refreshes the prompt quickly enough. But try to run a command and it stalls.
[13:47] <aptanet_> ball, quite a bit was the choice of apps and the hassle of removing and installing what I wanted iirc, and the tools for managing networking were a mess when I tried it
[13:48] <aptanet_> I installed it again recently alongside unity, but there were several bugs with that and I didn't have time to play
[13:48] <kirrus> TheOpenSourcerer: echo 'key' > /proc/sysrq-trigger
[13:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> damn. can't get passed sudo.
[13:50] <kirrus> TheOpenSourcerer: patience? Sometimes the commands will get through, if you give them long enough. But, if I were you, I'd be getting console access / rebooting it
[13:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> kirrus: It is quite a long way away ;-)
[13:51] <kirrus> TheOpenSourcerer: remote hands?
[13:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yeah - maybe. I have sent it a sudo reboot so maybe in a while it will get round to dealing with it.
[13:56] <AlanBell> did you break it TheOpenSourcerer?
[13:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> Well - not really but I can't stop it right now.
[13:58] <kirrus> TheOpenSourcerer: So, it's broken, but it has nothing to do with you, right? ;)
[13:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yes kirrus - iw breaking when I logged in.
[13:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> *it was
[13:59] <kirrus> Do you have a remote console, KVM thing?
[13:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> nah
[13:59] <AlanBell> it has an integrated lights out processor apparently
[13:59] <AlanBell> but that isn't plugged in
[14:10] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Michael Wood] Inhibit - http://www.michaelwood.me.uk/wordpress/2011/09/16/inhibit/
[14:11] <kirrus> Shame.. remote consoles are insanely handy :)
[14:12] <Myrtti> chicken blue cheese pizza *nom*
[14:18] <willcooke> ping popey
[14:18] <popey> hullo
[14:20] <ball> LOM ftw.
[14:22] <kirrus> ball: LOM?
[14:22] <davmor2> Myrtti: I didn't realise you could milk a chicken
[14:22] <oimon> no food should be blue
[14:23] <DJones> Blueberries
[14:24] <ball> kirrus: Lights-out Management... server consoles.
[14:24] <DJones> And what about sauted smurfs
[14:24] <ball> kirrus: Let you reboot, load an OS etc.
[14:25] <ball> kirrus: ...power on, power off, mess with (the equivalent of) CMOS/NVRAM settings.
[14:25] <oimon> are blueberries blue, or more purpley?
[14:25] <oimon> i guess i have to hand that one to you djones
[14:26] <kirrus> ball: ahh, cool, I know what you mean. I normally use direct PDU access things, but then, I am sitting a couple of meters away from the server racks ;)
[14:26] <davmor2> oimon: blue cheese isn't blue
[14:26] <oimon> why's it called blue cheese?
[14:26] <DJones> oimon: Blueberries are fruit though, so I wouldn't count that as food, its not a sausage roll pie so it can't be nutrisious
[14:27] <oimon> http://whatscookingamerica.net/Salad/BlueCheese.JPG cheese+blue colour
[14:27] <ball> kirrus: We use PDU access only when the LOM's dead, which doesn't happen often.
[14:28] <oimon> who decided that eating mouldy cheese is a good idea?
[14:29] <kirrus> ball: cool. I say PDU, but we've out own custom-coded interface to the things, so there is Big Red Buttons on certain webpages to reboot certain machines ;)
[14:29] <DJones> Probably somebody with an empty fridge
[14:32]  * czajkowski throws a bucket of smelly fish over davmor2 and runs away
[14:33] <Myrtti> gj
[14:33] <davmor2> see now that was completely unprovoked attack there czajkowski so don't get trying to blame me for starting this war,  /me throws a bucket of iced water of czajkowski
[14:34] <davmor2> Myrtti: you okay?
[14:34]  * popey tickles Myrtti
[14:36] <Myrtti> yeah, just had pizza after a small stroll to see mum and taking some apples from her trees to her. No stone yet. Anyway, back to cleaning sawdust and sanding
[14:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> That sudo doesn't seem to have the same process level as commands like "w" or "top" or "ps" is a bit of an issue it seems to me. I can watch my server processes but can't sudo to do anything.
[14:42]  * czajkowski hugs Myrtti
[14:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> load avg now up to 47 and as a normal user I can move around the cli freely.  :D
[14:49] <popey> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2011-August/001399.html use one of them to crash it :D
[14:50] <popey> http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2011-1581 maybe
[14:53] <oimon> how long have you waited for the sudo to work?
[14:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: Sorry on phone. AlanBell installed 11.04 on this server
[14:54] <popey> yeah, that kernel bug relates to 11.04
[14:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> I have asked our customer (whose server it is) if he can go and give it a bloody big kick up the bottom.
[14:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> Linux servername 2.6.38-11-server #48-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jul 29 19:20:32 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[14:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> how could I crash it AlanBell? Do some kind of recursive command to fill the memory or something?
[14:58] <czajkowski> popey: oh fixed my unity £D desktop issue
[14:58] <czajkowski> popey: by me I mean filbert :D
[14:58] <czajkowski> had to install unity it had vanished but could still see it on 2D
[15:01] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: dunno really, I was just suggesting non-conventional ways to shut it down
[15:02] <AlanBell> raising the temperature above the critical point would do it
[15:02] <oimon> anyone here bought a porch recently?
[15:02] <oimon> wondering if it's the same merry dance as double glazing quotes
[15:04] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: forkbomb sounds like it's already been run :D
[15:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> This is weird though: http://paste.ubuntu.com/690883/
[15:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'm hoping our customer will wander downstairs in a mo and hit the big STOP button on the front of the server.
[15:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> Then AlanBell can work out why 11.04 likes to commit suicide so much :-)
[15:19] <AlanBell> works for me :)
[15:20] <diplo> blimey TheOpenSourcerer that is some serious load :)
[15:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> yeah. But no processor load nor memory starvation.
[15:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> And there really isn't much running on the box
[15:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> 11.04 server, denyhosts, postgres, openerp and apache.
[15:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> diplo: It's now 48 :-)
[15:21] <popey> yeah, more cron jobs
[15:22] <diplo> IO issue, hitting swap or something ?
[15:22] <popey> wedged cron jobs
[15:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> But it is really weird how as a normal user the cli is very responsive.
[15:22] <diplo> hmm no 0k used
[15:22] <diplo> Some bug there somewhere then :)
[15:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> but try to sudo and it [the cli] stalls.
[15:22] <diplo> Any one ever have issues with ntpdate setting time to non bst ?
[15:23] <davmor2> gord: scope → apps with filter games still shows nothing still
[15:23] <diplo> IE an hour slow
[15:23] <gord> davmor2, yell at kamstrup on ayatana for me :)
[15:24] <gord> davmor2, though it works fine here
[15:25] <davmor2> gord one second let me check for updates before I start yelling then
[15:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's almost certainly cron jobs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/690894/
[15:29] <davmor2> gord:  I have a bunch of unity fixes so fingers crossed
[15:39] <geekMePlease> Does the wireless modem E153 work in the newest Ubuntu?
[15:40] <geekMePlease> * it does not seem to recognize the device
[15:40] <geekMePlease> * have it connected it right now to 11.04
[15:48] <kirrus> geekMePlease: a quick google revealed this, which might help? Sorry, don't have direct knowledge: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11134372
[16:02] <geekMePlease> What is the wireless program name in the newest Ubuntu in terminal?
[16:02] <popey> wireless program name?
[16:02] <geekMePlease> * there is no mark of my E153 -connection at the right-top corner
[16:02] <popey> iwlist / iwconfig / nm-tool ?
[16:02] <geekMePlease> popey: yes
[16:03] <popey> ah, not that kind of wirelss?
[16:03] <popey> 3G
[16:03] <geekMePlease> popey: yes
[16:06] <geekMePlease> There does not seem to be any driver for the modem E153
[16:06] <geekMePlease> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkManager/Hardware/3G
[16:09] <popey> what have you tried?
[16:10] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jonathan Riddell] Tu Parle Bazaar? - http://blogs.kde.org/node/4480
[16:10] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jonathan Riddell] 42,000 schools running Kubuntu derivative - http://blogs.kde.org/node/4481
[16:10] <davmor2> gord: Yay I can haz gamez
[16:11] <geekMePlease> It seems to notice that it is a usb-modem but does not get it synced with Network tools: http://pastebin.com/nVX39DaC
[16:12] <geekMePlease> popey: above
[16:12] <gord> davmor2, :)
[16:13] <geekMePlease> the driver is still on alpha -phase 0.7.2
[16:14] <geekMePlease> * ok, I will not buy the given modem.
[16:22] <issyl0> AlanBell: The release party?  Possibly.
[16:22] <issyl0> AlanBell: When's the Farnborough drinks thing again?
[16:29] <MartijnVdS> issyl0: http://ubuntu-uk.org/happy-hour/ ?
[16:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> issyl0: You mean the one next to popey 's house ?
[16:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> 20/10/2011
[16:31] <issyl0> TheOpenSourcerer: That's the one, yeah.
[16:31] <issyl0> TheOpenSourcerer: Oh yay!
[16:32] <issyl0> I have an excuse not to go to the college party that isn't "I won't be able to get home unless I leave at 10." :P
[16:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[16:34] <issyl0> So, good timing, guys.  :-))
[16:34] <issyl0> (It's very sad though, isn't it?  :P)
[16:35] <MartijnVdS> issyl0: do you use that excuse a lot then?
[16:35] <issyl0> MartijnVdS: No, but it's true!
[16:36] <issyl0> MartijnVdS: OK, maybe not totally true: The last train from the town in which my college is to the town in which I live is at 11pm, but still, it's the principle...
[16:36] <MartijnVdS> issyl0: It's true here as well, if I leave after 23:00, I won't be able to get home (or, I will, but then I won't be able to drink, responsible driving etc.)
[16:36] <issyl0> MartijnVdS: :-(
[16:36] <MartijnVdS> \o/ car though
[16:36] <issyl0> Heh.
[16:36] <issyl0> I'm having driving lessons.  :-)
[16:36] <MartijnVdS> I can drink water all night if it's a good party :)
[16:37] <issyl0> The car my parents were going to let me drive when I pass my test has just broken down, though.  :P
[16:37] <issyl0> MartijnVdS: Heh, water.  \o/
[16:37]  * MartijnVdS has a yellow SMART
[16:38] <MartijnVdS> like this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/Yellow_Smart_Fortwo_side.JPG
[16:45] <issyl0> Hmmmm/.
[16:46] <issyl0> Is it normal that the table headers are slightly offset from the actual columns on http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1277/detail/ ?
[16:46] <issyl0> It annoys me.
[16:47] <MartijnVdS> issyl0: which table do you mean?
[16:48] <MartijnVdS> ooh the bottom one is all broken
[16:48]  * MartijnVdS blames AlanBell
[16:48] <issyl0> The registration table.
[16:48] <issyl0> Yeah.
[16:48] <gord> heh yeah the headers are centred while the items are left aligned
[16:48] <gord> that is annoying
[16:48] <ali1234> it's because someone inserted an empty header cell instead of using colspan
[16:48] <MartijnVdS> gord: also, the header is wider than the contents
[16:49] <issyl0> It doesn't look like the "edit" button works to edit the table, either, just the information about the event.
[16:49] <ali1234> and it's the header that is left aligned and the contents is centered
[16:49] <ali1234> what you should actually do is make everything centered and merge the empty cell with colspan=2
[16:50] <popey> issyl0: its already been filed as a bug
[16:51] <issyl0> popey: Oh OK.  :-)
[16:51] <issyl0> popey: That's good then.
[16:51] <popey> (I asked the same thing a few days ago)
[16:51] <issyl0> popey: Aahh.
[17:01] <AlanBell> gord: issyl0 yeah, that is a column that has something to do with pictures of people
[17:02] <AlanBell> I reported the bug already
[17:03]  * brobostigon puts e4 on, for big bang theory, :)
[17:03] <AlanBell> bug 841790
[17:19] <AlanBell> ^^ someone could confirm that if they like
[17:24] <AlanBell> bug #734520
[17:24] <AlanBell> ^^ someone commented out the avatars to fix that bug, and forgot to remove the <th> cell
[17:27]  * AlanBell pushes the fix
[17:27]  * AlanBell expects it won't get merged
[17:27] <MartijnVdS> you didn't sign over copyright to Canonical?
[17:28]  * issyl0 reports a Launchpad bug...
[17:28] <issyl0> (It's been irritating me for ages; I've finally got around to reporting it.)
[17:28] <issyl0> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/852056
[17:29] <issyl0> Anyone else?  Or am I just a pedant?  :P
[17:29] <MartijnVdS> let me check
[17:29]  * MartijnVdS confirms
[17:30] <MartijnVdS> "Does it affect you?" "Yes, deeply"
[17:30] <issyl0> MartijnVdS: :D
[17:30] <issyl0> MartijnVdS: Yay.  :P
[17:33] <MartijnVdS> \o/ 90s week on the radio
[17:34] <MartijnVdS> Only songs from the 90s, for a week
[17:35] <Myrtti> Ace of Base!
[17:35] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: http://www.3fmfan.nl/page/muziekstats for the playlist of the last few hours
[17:36] <MartijnVdS> they've only just started
[17:41] <daubers> Evening
[17:41] <MartijnVdS> \o daubster
[17:54] <Neoti> Is torrenting a TV Episode or series illegal if you already have it recorded on a Tivo or V+ box from virgin Media, but want to have it stored on a media centre and plan to delete the recorded one from the relevant device? need help on the legality of this?
[17:55] <MartijnVdS> Neoti: don't ask us, ask someone who's trained in legal matters
[17:59]  * daubers tries to find his desk
[18:10] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Getting Older - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/09/16/getting-older/
[18:15] <Hornet> Neoti: no
[18:15] <Hornet> it's not illegal to download, it's technically a civil offence to upload however
[18:16] <Hornet> but not criminal, and nobody has ever been prosecuted
[18:24] <brobostigon> so 12.04 will be the next LTs?
[18:24] <hamitron> yeh
[18:25]  * hamitron is looking forward to it
[18:25] <brobostigon> i am just thinking about ubuntu server for my vps.
[18:25] <hamitron> all my 32 bit machines will be slackware, then 64 bit and servers on ubuntu 12.04
[18:25] <hamitron> is my current plan
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> ooh QI tonight
[18:26] <brobostigon> and outnumbered, :)
[18:27] <brobostigon> i was considering going to the pub, but the tv is too good,
[18:28]  * daubers rips his OU course DVD to his HDD and phone
[18:28] <AlanBell>  http://www.bcs.org/content/ConWebDoc/41634 issyl0 czajkowski
[18:29] <AlanBell> and anyone else in the London area interested in Ada Lovelace day stuff
[18:41] <AlanBell> canonical are investigating sorting out nibbles for the launch party \o/
[18:43] <daubers> Hah! Didn't realise that the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band did a cover of "Crazy Words Crazy Tune"
[18:44] <zleap> cake :D
[18:46] <Azelphur> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/September%202011/2011-09-16_19.45.13.png is this normal for minecraft 1.8?
[18:46] <Azelphur> or is it a bug :/
[18:49] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: The magic darkness?
[18:49] <MartijnVdS> that's a feature
[18:49] <Azelphur> omg
[18:49] <Azelphur> even with glowstone and torches? :(
[18:49] <MartijnVdS> yes
[18:49] <MartijnVdS> only sunlight works
[18:50] <Azelphur> that's messed :/
[18:50] <Azelphur> I guess that means underground bunkers are out
[18:50] <MartijnVdS> Well glass roofs :)
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> it's only below some level I think..
[18:52] <Azelphur> :(
[18:52] <Azelphur> I'm pretty much on the bedrock
[19:33] <oimon1> hi guys, where is the banshee cddb configured? it's not recognising a well known cd..can't find the specific site in the prefs
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> oimon1: it uses musicbrainz
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> oimon1: which CD?
[19:34] <oimon1> nada  surf, the weight is a gift
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> is it very new?
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> no.. it's from '05
[19:35] <oimon1> musicbrainz picard recognises it
[19:35] <MartijnVdS> oimon1: then Banshee should too
[19:35] <oimon1> maybe i've disabled a plugin by accident
[19:36] <oimon1> or banshee is just being lame
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> Which Ubuntu version?
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> because anything < oneiric won't work because of API changes
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> on the musicbrainz site
[19:37] <oimon1> lucid
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> that's the problem then
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> sound-juicer won't work either (API change as well)
[19:37] <oimon1> banshee 2.01?
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> oimon1: 2.1.4 here (oneiric)
[19:38] <oimon1> hmm
[19:40] <oimon1> what's worse is that i have the ppa enabled
[19:41] <oimon1> bug 455461
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> yeah I've been subscribed to those
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> sound-juicer is very broken on multi-cd sets atm
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> banshe is better but not perfect
[19:44] <oimon1> thanks for pointing me in the right direction :)
[19:45] <oimon1> argh some joker knocked on the door asking to sponsor him for something. dog barks , baby stirs. there's a reason i have a no cold caller sign
[19:47] <oimon1> i dont really trust sound-juicers mp3 settings
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> oimon1: it's just a bunch of standard gstreamer settings.. there's a config gui
[19:49] <oimon1> interestingly sound juicer works, so only banshee that's broken
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> get a newer banshee :)
[19:50] <oimon1> or a newer ubuntu ...i've got natty running upstairs
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> that includes a newer banshee :)
[19:51] <oimon1> but...it's upstairs :)
[19:53] <oimon1> just tried playing openttd but looks like hard work
[19:53] <oimon1> think i'll stick to wii games
[19:54] <MartijnVdS> openttd is fun :)
[19:56] <oimon1> looking forward to the long awaited "album artist" bug fix in banshee 2.3
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> oimon1: album artist bugfix?
[19:58] <oimon1> allow to show the "album artist" instead of artist in the artist list. avoids lots of entries when you wife adds a cheesy compilation
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> ah
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> I browse the album list anyway
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> or search
[19:58] <oimon1> that bug makes me use clementine
[19:59] <oimon1> maybe i'm a bit ocd, but i don't like seeing will young and kylie in my artist list
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> So give your wife her own account (and ~/Music)
[20:00] <oimon1> she also has some good musics :)
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> ln -s ~wife/Music/Good_Album ~/Music/
[20:00] <oimon1> i try to keep all data under /data
[20:00] <oimon1> then ln Music etc
[20:01]  * MartijnVdS waves the FHS in oimon1's face
[20:01] <oimon1> most of the music i listen to in the car noawadays is to keep my 1yr old son happy
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> so.. loud guitar rock?
[20:11] <oimon2> i wonder if canonical will follow MS W8 by putting a bunch of info on the lightdm screen now
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> maybe...
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> but what
[20:12] <oimon1> the usual generic guff like weather info
[20:12] <oimon1> i haven't really followed all the windows press this week but everyone seems to be focussing on the metro pre-login environment
[20:13] <oimon1> buy windows8 , get a cut down splashtop?
[20:30] <czajkowski> AlanBell: interesting
[20:43] <AlanBell> the cake is not a lie
[20:47] <Nafallo> apt-btrfs-snapshot is a VERY good idea.
[20:47] <Nafallo> it just saved my ass :-)
[20:47] <AlanBell> lucky donkey
[20:49] <Nafallo> now i have to download all the updates again though :-p
[20:50] <brobostigon> is one pound per GB, within and sd good value?
[20:50] <Nafallo> should probably figure out which one broke my stuff as well :-p
[20:50] <brobostigon> an*
[20:50] <Nafallo> brobostigon: SD card?
[20:50] <brobostigon> Nafallo: sdhc
[20:51] <Nafallo> brobostigon: there is a lot more to it than the size. class is more important in most cases.
[20:51] <brobostigon> Nafallo: what do i look for ? i am not very familier with that factor.
[20:52] <Nafallo> brobostigon: depends what you're going to use the card for really.
[20:52] <AlanBell> class 10 is the fastest
[20:52] <brobostigon> Nafallo: using to boot haiku-os from.
[20:52] <AlanBell> fast as possible then
[20:53] <AlanBell> about £20 for a 16GB class 10
[20:53] <brobostigon> ok, class 10 or nearest?
[20:53] <brobostigon> ok, that sounds fine.
[20:53] <brobostigon> thank you./
[20:54] <Nafallo> if you want the fastest on the market, yes :-)
[20:55] <Nafallo> class 6 minimum recommended for recording 1080p HD videos :-)
[20:55] <Nafallo> might give you an idea.
[20:55] <AlanBell> it still isn't fast compared to SSD, but is fast enough
[20:56] <brobostigon> AlanBell: i will be using this, via the sd slot on my eeepc, and then via a usb sd adaptor on other machines.
[20:56] <AlanBell> yeah, I have a machine that boots ubuntu server from SD
[20:57] <AlanBell> works fine and is very convenient
[20:57] <Nafallo> hrm
[20:57] <brobostigon> ok, hmmm.
[20:58] <brobostigon> interesting.
[20:58] <Nafallo> I need windows on this machine :-/
[20:58] <brobostigon> so highest class possible,
[20:58] <brobostigon> http://www.ebuyer.com/282288-exdisplay-verbatim-securedigital-sdhc-class10-16gb-ebr1-43962
[20:59] <brobostigon> would something like that, be fine?
[21:01] <AlanBell> sounds good from the URL :)
[21:01] <AlanBell> I have VPN stuff going on and browsers are being confused now
[21:01] <brobostigon> :(
[21:01] <brobostigon> new QI :)
[21:02] <brobostigon> john lloyd, who came up with the idea, lives just down the road from me. in "great tew".
[21:19] <brobostigon> there is alot of choice.
[21:41] <brobostigon> when david gilmour was younger, he looks very alike to my younger brother, would my brother object to being compared to one of the best quitarists on the planet?
[21:53] <AlanBell> brobostigon: all the oggcamp videos were recorded on SD cards identical to that
[21:53] <brobostigon> AlanBell: ah, :)
[21:53] <AlanBell> and my home server boots from one of them
[21:54] <brobostigon> the one i s[ecofoed from ebuyer?
[21:54] <AlanBell> yeah
[21:54] <brobostigon> :)
[21:54]  * brobostigon buys.
[22:44] <tiga> qqq


[00:07] <pace_t_zulu> I've been having problems with my native IRC client... using the web client for now :/
[00:32] <cyberanger> man, he really didn't stay long
[00:32] <cyberanger> that does stink
[01:04] <chris4585> wrst, thats great, I'm waiting for fedora 15 to come out before I bother with gnome shell
[01:04] <chris4585> but unity's changes still aren't finished
[01:26] <chris4585> wrst, I'm trying gnome with no accelerated drivers and so far.. Its quite snappy
[01:52] <chris4585> using quodlibet, xchat, chromium, skype all under 500mbs of ram, I'm a little surprised
[02:14] <vychune> wens346
[02:15] <vychune> o/
[02:16] <vychune> guess im late to the party lol
[03:13] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: ping
[03:14] <cyberanger> pong
[03:14] <pace_t_zulu> sorry i couldn't hang around longer earlier
[03:14] <cyberanger> happens, your client bit isn't helpful either
[03:15] <cyberanger> we all have time constraints
[03:15] <pace_t_zulu> yea, just got a new machine this week
[03:15] <pace_t_zulu> been transitioning my stuff over
[03:15] <cyberanger> no meeting happened last night, only wrst here afaik, birthday dinner for me, net had a family event too
[03:15] <pace_t_zulu> though i don't think that had anything to do with the connectivity issue
[03:16] <pace_t_zulu> yea, sorry i ddin't show last night
[03:16] <cyberanger> didn't hear from anyone else as to why
[03:16] <pace_t_zulu> i only realized it today
[03:16] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: you tried out unity yet?
[03:16] <cyberanger> and our agenda cannot wait till may, unfortunately, so I hope people can make it on the 14th
[03:17] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: not in a good while, too buggy when I did to be fair to it
[03:18] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i'm not convinced it's ready for the big show
[03:18] <pace_t_zulu> but i suppose that's why they're doing it on a non-LTS release
[03:19] <cyberanger> same here, and 2 weeks to prepare
[03:21] <pace_t_zulu> 2 weeks is the kind of time needed for polish
[03:22] <pace_t_zulu> ..... there are features missing
[03:22] <cyberanger> turd polishing is something microsoft did to vista, oh boy
[03:22] <pace_t_zulu> i can see where things are going - and it looks good... but it's not there yet
[03:22] <pace_t_zulu> vista was garbage
[03:23] <cyberanger> they time this with what, a month after gnome
[03:23] <cyberanger> do they have a plan b
[03:23] <pace_t_zulu> no they are going forward with unity
[03:23] <pace_t_zulu> and dropping the netbook remix
[03:23] <pace_t_zulu> netbooks will run ubuntu desktop
[03:23] <pace_t_zulu> is what i think i read
[03:24] <cyberanger> but if this really is a turd, it'll be a few steps back, at a time they can barely hold on in some reguards
[03:24] <cyberanger> I mean, I hear more consider debian than ubuntu lately
[03:25] <pace_t_zulu> i just don't really enjoy running ubuntu as much
[03:25] <pace_t_zulu> to be perfectly honest
[03:25] <cyberanger> or a halfway option like myself (ubuntu source, cli install and up, same thing I can do in debian)
[03:26] <cyberanger> unfortunately I know the feeling, but am trying to wait and see
[03:29] <pace_t_zulu> seems like they reached a bit too far with unity
[03:30] <cyberanger> grabbed too much, too quick
[03:31] <cyberanger> can't carry it off the mountian in one trip
[03:32] <chris4585> pace_t_zulu, I've been using unity for about 2 months and I've seen it mature, but I agree, it would be better to have a little more time to polish
[03:33] <chris4585> I really like where 11.10 is going, Unity 2D will be default I heard, and if 3D acceleration is supported then Unity (compiz) will be used
[03:34] <pace_t_zulu> at that rate they can't possibly land wayland before the next LTS
[03:35] <chris4585> I actually can't wait for fedora 15 to be out, I'm itching to get at gnome-shell
[03:41] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: any chance that it's coded for wayland, hence some of the issues
[03:41] <chris4585> I also can't wait for wayland.. I hope the performance really increases
[03:51] <cyberanger> idk how much of a game changer it will really be
[03:52] <cyberanger> due to my CLI usage perhaps
[03:52] <cyberanger> idk how much you can slim from xorg, when xorg is the standard for everyone
[03:53] <cyberanger> they gotta code for both at first, which I would expect would hurt them more than xorg
[03:53] <cyberanger> that kind of backwards compatability is one thing that hurts as things go on too
[03:55] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: can you be here on the 14th?
[03:55] <cyberanger> poor timing
[03:59] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: can you be here on the 14th?
[04:00] <wrst> hello cyberanger, pace_t_zulu
[04:00] <cyberanger> wrst: hey
[04:01] <wrst> cyberanger:  activity on a friday night, cool
[04:01] <cyberanger> yeah, and dead last night, odd huh
[04:02] <wrst> ha yes, oh and chris4585 i'm using gnome-shell as we speak i think its pretty sweet
[04:03] <chris4585> wrst, I had a feeling you would change your mind
[04:03] <chris4585> I'm still waiting eagerly to try it out
[04:03] <wrst> yeah chris4585 the gnome 3 live cd's were just crappy
[04:03] <chris4585> I'm gonna install fedora 15 on my desktop just to give it a shot
[04:03] <chris4585> wrst, so you're trying it on natty?
[04:04] <cyberanger> wrst: have you seen our topic?
[04:04] <wrst> yes i see it cyberanger :)
[04:04] <wrst> chris4585:  no using it on arch
[04:04] <cyberanger> wrst: can you handle that, work for you?
[04:05] <wrst> yeah afaik :)
[04:05] <chris4585> wrst, :o now I'm just envious lol
[04:05]  * cyberanger wonders if he's not seeing all the settings for mailman, I used a different version, get the feeling a submenu is missing
[04:06] <wrst> chris4585: i think at the moment gnome 3 > unity
[04:07] <chris4585> wrst, ah really? thats kind of expected I guess, gnome 3 has been in development a lot longer
[04:07] <cyberanger> I think at the moment pacman < openbox < gnome 3 + unity
[04:08] <chris4585> cyberanger, gnome 3 + unity ?
[04:08] <wrst> yeah chris4585 i don't know now if i really understand why the departure from gnome
[04:10] <cyberanger> chris4585: what can I say, there is a minimalism to openbox that appeals to me
[04:10] <cyberanger> and my sysadmin background
[04:11] <chris4585> oh adding the + confused me because gnome 3 and unity don't mix well
[04:12] <cyberanger> well, the reason for pacman was to add some humour
[04:12] <cyberanger> perhaps that muddied the waters further
[04:15] <wrst> cyberanger: i think pacman is in the neighborhood of apt oraptitude not hardly but much better than any non apt package manager that i have used
[04:15] <cyberanger> the joke was in the video game pacman
[04:15] <cyberanger> sorry
[04:16] <cyberanger> and yum has really gotten to be sweet
[04:17] <cyberanger> I like apt-get, thanks to #keryx and some pointers from excid3 I can use it on any system
[04:19] <cyberanger> since we're on the topic of package managers, I am compelled to say that, yum in centos 5.5 suprised me
[04:25] <wrst> cyberanger: what does opensuse use?
[04:51] <cyberanger> usually kde
[04:52] <cyberanger> and their package tool is YaST if I recall
[04:53] <wrst> ahh yes YaST german for slow as crap and barely works package manager
[05:01] <chris4585> lol
[05:01] <chris4585> apt seems a bit simple at slow but it works, I love pacman and the AUR though
[05:02] <wrst> chris4585: i prefer apt over pacman its commands are a little simpler and it feels more "complete" to me
[05:02] <cyberanger> apt seems pretty quick actually
[05:02] <cyberanger> when you factor in what's just downloads
[05:03] <chris4585> cyberanger, really? have you used pacman? it just feels like it sets up faster
[05:03] <chris4585> cyberanger, well thats what I mean, I was excluding the downloading
[05:03] <cyberanger> yes, I have
[05:04] <chris4585> although I'm more familiar with apt and dpkg
[05:07] <cyberanger> that might play a role too, on my end too
[05:08] <chris4585> but you can't deny the power behind pacman
[05:08] <chris4585> also having the name of a 1980's game for a package manager is just awesome
[05:39] <cyberanger> chris4585: true
[05:40] <cyberanger> but apt-get is a little more powerful, the more you install at one time, the more apt-get shows some issues
[05:41] <cyberanger> but if you remove the download bit, on both, it seems pretty level
[19:33] <cyberanger> yet another quiet day, perhaps I'll manage to squeeze in a blog post too
[19:59] <wrst> cyberanger: how you doing?
[21:14] <cyberanger> wrst: awesome, GNU Mailman aside
[21:14] <cyberanger> daily digest is acting like a monthly digest
[21:14] <wrst> ha ha cyberanger
[21:15] <cyberanger> I suspect I'm not a full op or something
[21:19] <cyberanger> doesn't feel like I'm seeing the full picture
[21:22] <cyberanger> how about you?
[21:45] <cyberanger> wrst: ^^
[21:53] <wrst> cyberanger:  i never see the full picture of anything :)
[22:03] <cyberanger> wrst: that's good, leaves you room to paint the full picture ;-)
[22:04] <wrst> ha ha tell my wife that :)
[22:15] <cyberanger> lol
[22:54] <chris4585> lol
[23:19] <cyberanger> wrst: I'll see what I can do
[23:20]  * cyberanger grabs the duct tape, places a peice over his mouth, knowing this is the best he can do


[05:12] <bspencer> Mithrandir, rusty_   How is the sprint going?
[05:14] <rusty_> fine
[05:14] <Mithrandir> rockin'
[05:15] <bspencer> hey! awake and online, how fine.
[05:16] <bspencer> rusty_, I'll send you a list of the pieces needed to get our UI into gutsy today
[05:16] <Mithrandir> \o/
[05:17] <bspencer> rusty_,  we've got some issues with the new repo building targets.  you might need to help there.
[05:17] <bspencer> rusty_, also, if you hook up with asac (is he at the sprint) you could talk to him about the browser.
[05:17] <Mithrandir> he's at the sprint, yes
[05:18] <bspencer> very good.
[05:20] <rusty_> bspencer, what kind of problems are you seeing with building targets?
[05:21] <bspencer> rusty_, I sent a mail with my results as of late Sat.
[05:21] <rusty_> we built one this morning and booted a q1 with it
[05:21] <bspencer> I haven't tried again today, nor hooked up with JohnV
[05:21] <bspencer> rusty_, ok.  Then I'll try again today.
[05:21] <rusty_> bspencer, i didn't understand what you were talking about with the proxy issues
[05:22] <rusty_> btw, the flash based home applet is not showing itself when i run it on the target
[05:22] <bspencer> mm, not good
[05:22] <rusty_> the application area is black, but i can right click to see the flash menu, and i can start an app by clicking in the right part of the screen
[05:23] <bspencer> ha, nice.
[05:23] <rusty_> bspencer, i also had to push my change to the applicaiton service
[05:23] <bspencer> btw, is the screen resolution 1024 or 800 ?
[05:23] <rusty_> i'm not sure if the build machine kicked off a new version since i just built it locally
[05:23] <rusty_> no
[05:23] <rusty_> it's 800x480
[05:23] <rusty_> right?
[05:24] <bspencer> I think the Q1 can do 1024, but the 800x480 size is the one the marquee is set for currently.
[05:24] <bspencer> is the marquee showing up and not looking ugly?
[05:25] <rusty_> the marque (after installing marquee-plugins... you need to push a change to the fset), looks fine (other then the time seems to be a cut off)
[05:26] <bspencer> I pushed some changes late Saturday for the marquee
[05:26] <bspencer> hm, ok
[05:26] <bspencer> I thought I pushed the fset change
[05:26] <bspencer> I'll push again
[05:26] <bspencer> time shouldn't be cut off.  I played with that -- will check again.
[05:26] <rusty_> bspencer, did you push to the correct repository?
[05:26] <bspencer> what is your time now?  How long until you'll be offline?
[05:26] <rusty_> bspencer, you have a Q1, right?
[05:27] <bspencer> rusty_, yes, I worked Sat on the new repo
[05:27] <rusty_> it's only 4:30pm
[05:27] <bspencer> I have one, yes.  I'll try it with an image if I can build one.
[05:27] <bspencer> ok.  8:30am here.
[05:33] <bspencer> rusty_, fyi, just put this in /etc/clock-plugin.con :   Format:%a %b %e, %l:%M%P   (also pushed)
[05:33] <Mithrandir> (I guess we'll round up at 6-ish or so and go and find some food and beer.  Or beer and food).
[05:44] <Mithrandir> rusty_: mibufobt (mobile image builder useful for other targets too)?
[05:44] <Mithrandir> sorry, mibufott
[05:48] <bspencer> "mobile image builder"  -- nice name
[05:49] <bspencer> Mithrandir, targets can be added.
[05:49] <Mithrandir> we're trying to come up with a good name as a replacement for project-builder
[05:49] <bspencer> yes, that's a good name
[05:49] <Mithrandir> I think mibufott is a good name :-P
[05:49] <Mithrandir> no hits on google either
[05:49] <bspencer> ha -- surprise
[05:49] <bspencer> what is the "ufott" part?
[05:50] <Mithrandir> "useful for other targets too"
[05:50] <bspencer> :)
[05:50] <Mithrandir> rusty mentioned that somebody might want to use it for a set-top box, for instance.
[05:51] <Mithrandir> and apparently it's close to something swear-ish in portuguese.
[05:54] <bspencer> limb  -- Linux IMage Builder
[05:54] <bspencer> sib -- System Image Builder
[05:54] <bspencer> esib -- Embedded System Image Builder
[05:55] <bspencer> sic -- System Image Creator
[06:00] <Mithrandir> sic's already taken by "simple irc client"
[06:17] <tko> what would be the african word for project builder? :)
[06:18] <Mithrandir> that's almost as precise a question as asking what the european word for project builder is. :-P
[06:18] <tko> well, whatever the actual language was where ubuntu was picked up.. too lazy to google
[06:19] <Mithrandir> zulu, iirc
[06:25] <rusty_> bspencer, you wouldn't happen to have something for the 'getting started' documentation that Noel is looking for, would ya?
[06:25] <rusty_> bspencer, i'm a bit behind on that
[06:26] <bspencer> rusty_, yeah, I'll take care of it
[06:26] <rusty_> cool
[06:41] <agoliveira> mdz_: When I told you about the chroot size to be about 355M, I forgot to clean up the apt cache so it's actually 275M, uncompressed.
[06:46] <bspencer> man, aloliveria is quick in / out
[06:47] <bspencer> rusty_, about power management ...
[06:47] <bspencer> I assume we will need to write a new ppm policy mgr UI
[06:47] <rusty_> bspencer, yea
[06:47] <bspencer> just talked to Tariq about it
[06:47] <bspencer> maybe you can chat with pepole there about it
[06:47] <bspencer> I figure it will be a simple Hildon status bar plugin, with UI
[06:48] <bspencer> that will talk w/dbus to the underlying PPM stuff
[06:48] <bspencer> probably GPL
[06:48] <rusty_> bspencer, exactly what i was thinking
[06:48] <bspencer> tariq said Frank will probably do it.
[06:48] <bspencer> ok
[06:48] <rusty_> more like tariq and todd
[06:48] <bspencer> I'll hook them up with our sample plugins code to get them started.
[06:48] <bspencer> ok.  I don't care about ownership
[06:51] <Mithrandir> I've chatted with mjg59 about how gpm does it, and it is just the frontend; it uses HAL methods to start and stop bits, etc.
[06:51] <Mithrandir> so the policy is in the frontend itself
[06:55] <rusty_> bspencer, i am about to push a pretty significant change to project-builder
[06:56] <bspencer> rusty_, ok
[06:56] <rusty_> bspencer, this moves rootstrap creation from buildtime to the first time you attempt to use the rootstrap and it doesn't exists yet
[06:57] <rusty_> bspencer, i will be off-line for a bit but will be on again after i get back to the hotel
[06:57] <bspencer> sure,
[06:57] <rusty_> bspencer, hopefully, this doesn't break you guys
[06:57] <bspencer> yes, hopefully !
[06:58] <rusty_> i have been testing it, so i'm feeling pretty good about the change
[06:58] <bspencer> we will certainly be using it
[06:58] <bspencer> people are starting to ask about that system image  :)
[06:59] <Mithrandir> rusty_: so, idea from Adam to call it mibod
[06:59] <Mithrandir> mobile internet builder of doom
[06:59] <rusty_> :->
[07:01] <bspencer> my 2c:  I think some combination of Linux System Image Creator  or System Image Builder  (and just make the acronym work if there is a dup by using 2nd letters)
[07:01] <bspencer> or s/System/Device
[07:01] <Mithrandir> Linux System System Image Builder Creator?
[07:02] <Mithrandir> lssibc
[07:02] <Mithrandir> completely unpronouceable.
[07:02] <bspencer> but sexy nonetheless
[07:02] <rusty_> hmm... how about "esseltegar"
[07:02] <bspencer> rusty_, let me know when your change is in for project-builder and I'll try it
[07:02] <rusty_> bspencer, i just pushed the change
[07:08] <ian_brasil> well...linux image creation system is LICS
[07:09] <Mithrandir> "lics" give me ~1M hits on google.
[07:09] <Mithrandir> having something more unique would be nice.
[07:10] <bspencer> maybe 1M hits, but our tool /certain/ to be at the top of the results
[07:21] <mdz> bspencer: are you going to be joining us here this week at all?
[07:22] <bspencer> mdz, unfortunately it doesn't look like it
[07:23] <bspencer> mdz, which I am very sorry for!
[07:23] <bspencer> mdz, if I were smarter I would have finished all my deliverables for our little project launch earlier like rusty and been on the road enjoying good company and beer
[07:24] <HappyCamp-John> bobux, I have arrived :)
[07:25] <bspencer> hey HappyCamp-John
[07:26] <bspencer> rusty_, are you still online?
[07:26] <rusty_> yes
[08:03] <bspencer> off-topic -- got a new video card.  What is the XConfigurator-equivalent for Feisty?
[08:12] <rusty_> bspencer, you might want to try #ubuntu
[08:14] <HappyCamp-John> bspencer, Maybe here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:14] <bspencer> thx
[08:17] <jesusmarcano> hey
[08:17] <jesusmarcano> good morning
[08:17] <jesusmarcano> what sop
[08:35] <bspencer> rusty_, you still there?
[08:35] <bspencer> rusty_, right before you leave, let me know


[00:57] <arraybolt3[m]> Does anyone here think I should ping Thomas about the ACL for #lubuntu-members?  I'd be patient if you can and wait.  The room is generally quite nules there is a need for it, if that need arises you'll find you're added pretty quick (probably anyway)
[00:59] <arraybolt3[m]> (I might not be worth a whole lot tonight as far as development work, I had a pretty stressful day so I'm still in "recovery" mode ATM.)
[00:59] <arraybolt3[m]> guiverc: Thanks, that makes sense to me.
[00:59] <guiverc[m]> s/nules/unless ^
[00:59] <kc2bez[m]> arraybolt3[m]: I sent a message, it is in his list. Give it a day or so.
[01:01] <guiverc[m]> s/quite/quiet ^ too, i make too many typos ☹
 been busy annd I  now see gittea is up what is it that I need to actually do to move over been busy for the past week
 I  need to create an account for you. I also need to setup pushing to Github for mirroring as well.


[08:38] <arpad22> hi, I only get tty login, no gui login screen
[08:42] <gnrp> arpad22: What happened before that?
[08:43] <arpad22> gnrp: I tried to install bumblebee on my muxless video card system
[09:02] <arpad22> can a recovery mode help?
[16:37] <dff> i removed a disk with grub on it, i installed xubuntu on a newly installed disk, and now grub cant boot windows (on a separate disk). in xubuntu i can see and mount the windows partition
[16:38] <dff> so im trying to follow this - https://askubuntu.com/questions/197868/grub-does-not-detect-windows
[16:39] <dff> but lsblk doesnt show the /boot/efi mountpoint on sba (windows HD)
[18:04] <brainwash> dff: it you haven't yet, please ask in #ubuntu
[18:05] <dff> brainwash: i did :)
[18:06] <dff> turns out my only option is to boot from a windows recovery live usb and run bootrec
[18:33] <johnfg> hi folks
[18:33] <johnfg> Brand new install and everything is going well.
[18:33] <johnfg> Question about sasl, needed for my openldap/kerberos setup.
[18:34] <johnfg> What actually starts sasl, or what is its configuration file on xubuntu?


[08:00] <darkmatter> http://www.flickr.com/photos/92826085@N00/3469709955/ bleh
[11:01] <SiDi> Hello
[11:16] <kwwii> hi SiDi
[11:17] <SiDi> Hello
[11:17] <SiDi> kwwii: i'm not sure but i think you're the one who manages the ubuntu studio project, right ?
[11:17] <kwwii> I was on a airplane last night, I missed your question
[11:17] <SiDi> There was someone yesterday on #u-release-party who was asking for info about it
[11:17] <SiDi> Asking where were the cd images, or something like that (i can't remember ^^)
[11:18] <kwwii> no, I work for Canonical and do user experience and design implementation
[11:18] <kwwii> for ubuntu
[11:18] <SiDi> Oh ok, sorry
[11:18] <kwwii> cory does studio
[11:18] <SiDi> I see
[11:18] <kwwii> _MMA_
[11:18] <kwwii> but he is not around right  now it seems
[11:18] <SiDi> Well, he hasn't been much on IRC lately :)
[11:19] <kwwii> http://ubuntustudio.org/
[11:19] <kwwii> ?
[11:19] <SiDi> Yeh, i watched. the guy was asking for the release notes for 9.04
[11:20] <SiDi> and they're marked as coming soon
[11:20] <SiDi> so i guess its been adressed, or he didnt take the time to read.
[11:20] <SiDi> Thanks, though
[11:20] <andreasn> kwwii, no connection on the plane? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoGYx35ypus
[11:31] <kwwii> andreasn: lol, I wish
[11:36] <kwwii> andreasn: really nice, that clip
[11:36] <kwwii> rotary telephones, televisions which you had to get up and change the channel on a dial...
[11:45] <andreasn> "give it a minute, it's going to space"
[12:05] <kwwii> no doubt
[13:15] <christel> hi lovely people, im wondering if you can help me - or alternatively point me in the right direction
[13:16] <christel> you may be aware that canonical made a fairly substantial contribution to the pdpc, the organisation behind freenode, in that regard we wanted to stick their logo on our webpage (http://freenode.net) -- however, using a stock canonical logo makes it a bit too dominant so i was wondering if anyone either could help do some magic with it, or alternatively point me at the right canonical people to ask :)
[13:22] <SiDi> Hm, they should have a channel :)
[13:22] <SiDi> otherwise they probably will be a few canonical employees at #ubuntu-motu. You can aswell ask kwwii, he works there
[13:30] <christel> <3
[13:30] <christel> thank you
[13:37] <SiDi> christel, you're welcome ^.^
[16:23] <thorwil> happy birthday, SiDi!
[16:24] <SiDi> thorwil, wee thanks <3
[16:24] <thorwil> :)
[16:24] <SiDi> How did you know ? :)
[16:25] <thorwil> you mentioned it yesterday ;)
[16:25] <SiDi> oh true :P
[16:43] <thorwil> kwwii: how should we deal with stuff like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/UserInteraction?
[16:44] <thorwil> kwwii: create a section outside of the current incoming, knowing that these things never make it (and if they would, take more than one cycle)?
[16:45] <thorwil> or outright discourage it?  though i very well know the temptation
[16:50] <kwwii> thorwil: I think that could be moved into a subsection of incoming perhaps as it is not release specific, really
[16:50] <kwwii> or above incoming somewhere appropriate
[16:50] <kwwii> I think the more the design and desktop experience team work in public, the more of these we will get
[16:52] <thorwil> perhaps. currently i deem it nearly impossible to create concepts of that scope that will be picked up.
[16:53] <kwwii> yes, I agree and I am not really sure how good it is to express all of that in a document that size in that way
[16:54] <thorwil> kwwii: i will suggest Incoming/Concepts on the list and generally put this to discussion
[16:54] <kwwii> thorwil: good idea
[17:10] <andreasn> kwwii, I like the time zone selection thing in the jaunty install process. Did you draw that?
[17:12] <kwwii> andreasn: yepp...it was a lot of work :)
[17:12] <kwwii> it's all one *really* big svg
[17:12] <thorwil> only few months after i suggested it in a report, eh? :)
[17:13] <kwwii> thorwil: sorry to say, but I made it about 4-5 months ago :p
[17:13] <kwwii> great minds think alike
[17:13] <savvas> great job with the artwork people!
[17:13] <kwwii> actually, it was something that I had been talking to evan about for a long time
[17:13] <thorwil> kwwii: said report is older than that
[17:13] <kwwii> and making the new one was his idea, so I can't claim that anyway :p
[17:15] <thorwil> but in the reaction i had been told that a lack of a freely licensed map hindered the idea before
[17:15] <savvas> the time zone during the install? much better than the old ones :)
[17:16] <kwwii> right, I drew that myself
[17:16] <kwwii> it took a week and a half just to make the paths
[17:16] <savvas> lots of cups of coffee eh?


[19:22] <kbmonkey> hello ubuntu maties
[19:29] <nlsthzn> Hi... and Good bye... in need of sleep now :D


[05:35] <Maik_aD> good morning
[05:55] <ducasse> good morning
[06:01] <Maik_aD> ducasse: hey :)
[06:48] <ducasse> hiya Maik_aD - how are you?
[06:53] <Maik_aD> ducasse: doing fine, thanks. one day off from work, well deserved after this week.
[06:54] <Maik_aD> how are you?
[06:54] <ducasse> all good here, thanks, catching up and watching videos
[06:56] <Maik_aD> cool
[06:56] <Maik_aD> just got a couple of beers for tonight. Gonna take a shower first and then i'm off to bed.
[08:11] <Kaan> Hey
[17:20]  * Maik_aD yawns
[17:21] <Maik_aD> good morning ---> just woke up and my brain refuses to accept it actually evening
[18:03] <ducasse> howdy Maik_aD
[18:09] <Maik_aD> Heya ducasse
[18:10] <ducasse> woken up yet? :)
[18:20] <Maik_aD> half :)
[18:21] <ducasse> well, then you're almost there :)
[18:21] <ducasse> add caffeine for success
[18:35] <ducasse> Maik_aD: are you still using that unity spin? have they made any changes to the theme etc, or is it just a default unity install?
[18:37] <Maik_aD> ducasse: yep, still using UU.  It uses the Yaru theme and Papirus icons
[18:38] <Maik_aD> https://ubuntuunity.org/
[18:38] <ducasse> right, thanks. a friend was asking about it, but i didn't know much.
[18:39] <ducasse> i'm not using a full de myself, so...
[18:39] <Maik_aD> np, yw
[18:40] <ducasse> is any active development being done? like fixing bugs and adding features?
[18:40] <Maik_aD> if i'm not mistaken a point release will be out soon and UU will get rid of duplicate apps plus the Gnome Shell leftovers
[18:42] <ducasse> it seems there are a fair amount of people who were missing unity, sad canonical dropped it
[18:48] <Maik_aD> yep, however Unity is maintained by the community
[18:49] <Maik_aD> UU is the reason i came back to Ubuntu after all these years
[18:57] <ducasse> i like ubuntu because it's so quick and easy to install a minimal install and pull in the stuff i need, and keep the package count pretty low
[19:10] <Maik_aD> yep, that too :)
[21:00] <marcoagpinto> Heya
[21:00] <marcoagpinto> The demon!
[21:11] <oerheks> Hola
[21:11] <oerheks> La Bruja!
[21:13] <marcoagpinto> what?
[21:13] <marcoagpinto> I am Portuguese not Spanish
[21:14] <oerheks> si
[21:15] <oerheks> pepsi
[21:15] <marcoagpinto> :)
[21:16] <marcoagpinto> the professor phoned me asking why I don't get a job in computers :)
[21:16] <marcoagpinto> but, if I get a full-time job, I won't have free time anymore
[21:16] <marcoagpinto> no more projects/activies
[21:16] <Maik_aD> you think i have any free time?
[21:17] <marcoagpinto> I know
[21:17] <marcoagpinto> then, how will I edit videos for the professor? I won't have time anymore
[21:17] <marcoagpinto> and the LibreOffice, LanguateTool and dictionaries projects
[21:17] <Maik_aD> you have people that just don't want to work and people that actually work, sometimes too much
[21:18] <marcoagpinto> well, I have to choose: 1) Lots of money and no free time 2) Little money and lots of free time
[21:18] <marcoagpinto> :)
[21:18] <marcoagpinto> If I choose 1) I will never finish my thesis
[21:19] <marcoagpinto> sometimes it is needed a full day for research
[21:19] <Maik_aD> marcoagpinto: sorry but a day has 24 hours of which a average human only needs 6 hours of sleep, so there's 18 hours left from which we normally work 8, then there's 10 hours left to do all the other stuff
[21:20] <marcoagpinto> not that simple... it will take me 2 hours to go to the job and 2 hours to return using public transportation (no more dad to carry me)
[21:20] <marcoagpinto> then, 10-12 hours of work
[21:20] <marcoagpinto> I won't have time for anything else
[21:21] <marcoagpinto> sometimes I would spend 12+ hours working on the British Dictionary
[21:21] <marcoagpinto> :)
[21:21] <Maik_aD> O_o
[21:21] <marcoagpinto> with a full-time job no more 12 hours for it
[21:21] <Maik_aD> at least you're not working in a bakery
[21:21] <Maik_aD> :D
[21:22] <marcoagpinto> :)
[21:24] <Maik_aD> i wonder if the T410 is still upgradable RAM-wise
[21:24] <marcoagpinto> the what?
[21:25] <Maik_aD> lenovo thinkpad t410
[21:25] <marcoagpinto> ahhh
[21:25] <marcoagpinto> my laptop is a Lenovo too
[21:25] <marcoagpinto> :)
[21:25] <marcoagpinto> I bargain, half the price
[21:25] <marcoagpinto> a bargain*
[21:27] <marcoagpinto> if I win the lotto or EuroMillions I will buy a new one with a i9 and 64GB RAM
[21:27] <Maik_aD> i could buy any new computer i want
[21:28] <marcoagpinto> my Lenovo has an SSD from Samsung... chances are it won't get damaged soon
[21:28] <marcoagpinto> :)
[21:28] <oerheks> i am using an old vista 'centrino' laptop
[21:29] <Maik_aD> i replace the hdd on the T410 with ssd from crucial, it flies
[21:29] <marcoagpinto> Maik_aD: if you can afford, buy Samsung SSD
[21:29] <oerheks> that is what i did, cheap ssd
[21:29] <marcoagpinto> they are the best
[21:29] <oerheks> 300mb or 500 mb.. not noticing
[21:29] <Maik_aD> all i want is more ram on it to run Ubuntu on
[21:33] <Maik_aD> ha, found it. Either crucial or kingston 2x 4GB
[21:33] <Maik_aD> gonna crack a beer and watch some tv. bbl
[21:35] <marcoagpinto> I once bought a 128 GB PNY pen drive on sale... a year or two later I was copying files to it and "can't find file blah blah or something like that" and the pen drive got blank
[21:35] <marcoagpinto> it got damaged
[21:35] <marcoagpinto> luckily I had other pen drives
[21:35] <marcoagpinto> I lost everything in it


[01:36] <ball> I should hide indoors tomorrow.
[01:36] <ball> Forecast high is 36C
[01:39] <penguin42> about twice here
[01:42] <ball> I should get up early to water the veg.
[06:51] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[06:54] <zmoylan-pi> morning mammals...
[07:04] <brobostigon> morning mostly water
[17:34] <daftykins> om nom nom Wine Gums!
[17:35]  * penguin42 is more of a jelly baby type
[17:35] <daftykins> :D


[03:52] <Vampy> what's the proper command to install a .deb package from the cli
[03:55] <Unit193> dpkg -i file.deb  and you may need sudo apt-get install -f
[03:55] <Vampy> ahh thanks Unit193 i knew i was missing an arg inthere
[03:56] <Vampy> -f that covers dependencies rghjt?
[03:57] <Unit193>  -f  Attempt to correct a system with broken dependencies in place
[03:59] <Vampy> ok, thanks
[03:59] <Unit193> Sure.
[03:59] <Vampy> now if i have/had to apt-get install -f do i rerun the dpkg -i file.deb again?
[04:00] <Unit193> Shouldn't.
[09:32] <rafnews> Hi, i need help with vsftp and the stupid msg "refused connection". can someone help me plz ?
[11:39] <rafnews> hi i discovered that vsftp doesn't start on my vmware machine. netstat -a | grep ftp doesn't show anything. even if this virtual machine under ubuntu 12.04 can browse internet without any problem... so net works, only ftp server doesn't work. i have also no log from vsftpd... :( where can be the problem ?
[12:41] <phillw> rafnews: I had this issue, I could not even ssh in.
[12:42] <phillw> are you using server edition, or desktop?
[12:44] <phillw> rafnews: in either case, head over to https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/ftp-server.html
[13:20] <rafnews> phillw: sorry to answer now, i was at lunch :) I use the desktop version as it's a testing server for development purpose and als some other products
[13:21] <phillw> rafnews: no worries, follow that link I put on.
[13:21] <holstein> sometimes it can be complex getting networking through to the VM in virtualbox... i would make sure you can ping actual network ip's
[13:28] <rafnews> holstein: i can ping from host to guest, from guest to host, guest can browse internet without any trouble
[13:28] <rafnews> anyway i discovered that vsftpd is not started and i don't get any log :( so i stuck at this point
[13:28] <phillw> rafnews: do check that you have things set up as per http://paste.ubuntu.com/1146080/
[13:29] <phillw> rafnews: if you've got that set up. follow the server guide to install and configure up vsftp
[13:31] <phillw> ooh, a net split


[00:51] <wrst> beauty of irc Omnifrog it's timeless :)
[01:30] <Omnifrog> yes
[01:30] <Omnifrog> idling is king
[04:27] <wrst> yes lurking is the way to fly :)
[22:55] <Omnifrog> this is a lot less boring than I thought it would be http://boingboing.net/2013/03/08/australian-pop-out-camper-that.html


[23:22] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Think he can get more passive-aggressive? >_<
[23:26] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: One of the worst things windows (and maybe mac?) did to the computing worlds was allow spaces in places they should never be.
[23:26] <Eickmeyer> Yep.
[23:27] <Eickmeyer> He's just got strong opinions about design and wants to force that on everyone else. I kinda wanna tell him where he can stuff it, but I don't think that would be nice. :)
[23:28] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I am already trying to teach my family to be "nice"... I need to lead by example ;)
[23:28] <Eickmeyer> hehehe
[23:30]  * OvenWerks just went through a "special needs flame out" an hour ago... not in the mood for spaces
[23:31] <Eickmeyer> Can't say I'm not familiar with that.
[23:39] <OvenWerks> The timing was not the best, I was taking my wife to work and about to go out the door when he blew up... so I figured I needed to take him with me... said some really nasty things to her at the top of his lungs. Would have been better leaving a bit later and dealing with things at home first.
[23:41] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I hear that. My son is suspected by psychologists and his doctor to be on the high-functioning part of the spectrum and checks just about every box for ADHD (all tests pending), so it turns out my son is very likely special needs too.
[23:41] <Eickmeyer> They're like, 99% sure.
[23:42] <OvenWerks> I remember when we got the diag. Lots of tears.
[23:43] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, when I told my wife the testing recommendation, she had lots of tears too. I didn't; probably because I mostly expected it. Dunno why.
[23:43] <OvenWerks> He was 5, someone would walk behind him and he would feel the wind and figure they had hit him
[23:45] <OvenWerks> A few years later we were visiting a friend who's son was goin to be tested... we didn't say anything but one look at his eyes was all we needed.
[23:47] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: diet matters, When I took him off dairy there was a change in in cognitive function in less than 48 hours.
[23:47] <Eickmeyer> Interesting. Good to know, although, as I said, my son is VERY high-functioning, so it's almost impossible to tell. I doubt we'd be able to get him off dairy. XD
[23:49] <Eickmeyer> When my son does have outbursts, and gets fixated on things, it becomes more apparent. He mostly just doesn't pick-up social cues if at all.


[14:21] <RikMills> https://euroquis.nl//calamares/2022/05/21/calamares-farewell.html
[22:34] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/pipewire-as-a-replacement-for-pulseaudio/28489/3
[23:57] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer:  heads up?
[23:57] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Potentially. Looks like it's video only for right now, but still interesting.
[23:59] <OvenWerks> I certainly expect it to come. I guess I need to work on it more.


[01:19] <Flannel> sounds like a good factoid to add.
[02:43] <IdleOne> !no party is <reply>  Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, #edubuntu, and #lubuntu are support channels. To countdown to !Saucy release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see  http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/2702/
[02:43] <IdleOne> bazhang: good?
[02:44] <bazhang> IdleOne, pardon?
[02:44] <IdleOne> I updated the link
[02:45] <Unit193> IdleOne: No, who cares about Saucy now?
[02:45] <IdleOne> just wanted to make sure it took you to the right place
[02:45] <bazhang> ok
[02:45] <bazhang> shouldn't it be Trusty though
[02:45] <IdleOne> !14.04
[02:46] <IdleOne> it is
[02:46] <IdleOne> !party
[02:46] <IdleOne> oh that part
[02:46] <IdleOne> lol
[02:46] <bazhang> To countdown to !Saucy
[02:46] <IdleOne> !no party is <reply>  Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, #edubuntu, and #lubuntu are support channels. To countdown to !Trusty release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see  http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/2702/
[02:46] <IdleOne> thank you
[04:24] <SeaSki> OMG what is this ?    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGpNZ0ONX8M
[04:24] <Morgan_Freeman> OMG what is this ?    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGpNZ0ONX8M
 it's on 12.04 right now for christian edition
[04:45] <bazhang> I thought that ceased to exist
[04:45] <rww> probably did, in 2012.
[04:46] <rww> SeaSki, Morgan_Freeman: Are you around?
[04:46] <bazhang> perfect Easter joke set up , wasted
[04:58] <SeaSki> sup
[04:59] <rww> SeaSki: what's the deal with there being two of you, and you posting non-support stuff in #ubuntu right before you quit?
[04:59] <SeaSki> must be a virus
[05:00] <rww> Okays. Once you get that fixed, let me know and I'll remove your ban in #ubuntu.
[05:01] <SeaSki> thanks
[05:05] <rww> Jordan_U_ ^
[05:06] <rww> @mark #ubuntu-ops SeaSki has a virus on their computer that makes them connect two clients and link Youtube in #ubuntu. Remove ban iff that gets sorted out.
[05:08] <elky> tell us what it was and how to get rid of it when you do, so we know how to help others
[05:08] <rww> I'll have to print this conversation out and use it next time someone at work asks why we block IRC outgoing.
[05:09] <rww> (Yes, log readers, I am the IT department person you hate who makes you work/study instead of #defocus.)
[05:09] <bazhang> and | to bash.org ?
[05:09] <rww> bazhang: I don't think bash.org gets updates any more.
[05:14] <valorie> it used to be amusing at times
[07:06] <ikonia> hello again Morgan_Freeman
[07:24] <ikonia> hello again SeaSki too
[07:30] <tsimpson> it'd probably be better to change the ban forward than just remove them from here when they show up
[07:30] <ikonia> I'm actually looking for the ban at the moment
[07:31] <ikonia> BT is responding slow
[07:31] <tsimpson> 61437
[07:31] <ikonia> it's slow opening....
[07:31] <ikonia> give it a minute
[07:32] <tsimpson> it's working here
[07:32] <ikonia> if you have it open can you change it/updated it please ?
[07:32] <ikonia> or give me the mask
[07:32] <ikonia> and I'll change it, not sure if it's just IP or ident or what
[07:33] <tsimpson> change to a plain ban
[07:33] <tsimpson> (I miss scripts)
[07:33] <ikonia> ta
[07:45] <DJones> ikonia: there's no excuse for tzi0m's swearing, but isn't 12.10 still supported
[07:45] <ikonia> I thought it had gone now
[07:45] <ikonia> is my maths off ?
[07:45] <DJones> April 14 still
[07:46] <ikonia> what's the support period on 12.10 ?
[07:46] <ikonia> !12.10
[07:46] <bazhang> !12.10
[07:46] <DJones> Its still listed as current on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases with eol of April 2014
[07:46] <bazhang> so right after Trsuty
[07:47] <bazhang> !trsuty
[07:47] <ikonia> ah, so I'm a few days off
[07:47] <DJones> I expected eol date to be around the end of the month
[07:47] <ikonia> I thought it was release to release, and I was sure it was earlier in october than that,
[07:47] <ikonia> but just wrong
[07:49] <DJones> As far as I know after speaking to slangasek, the upgrade path from 12.10 will be to 13.10 ad 14.04 (assuming it works)
[07:49] <ikonia> the patchec pacakge did get updated in 12.10 too
[07:49] <ikonia> patched
[07:49] <DJones> Yeah, I thought I'd read that
[07:51] <ikonia> just sent him a quick nudge in pm with the package link
 k1l, I will sleep in front of canonical.
[16:52] <bazhang> hehe
[16:52] <k1l> :)
[16:52] <bazhang> slangasek will be disappointed!
[19:06] <jpds> Good luck with that one.
[23:12] <tsimpson> I updated !testers-#kubuntu-devel
[23:12] <bazhang> thanks


 hmm
 if those icons are inert i guess they're in ~/.local
 They are
 Accidentally also deleted all the desktop files for UT apps... 🙄 … How do I regenerate them? … And how do I get rid of all the Android/Anbox related files and folders?
 Looks like Icons are regenerated when rebooting
 sudo rm -rf ~/anbox-data
 Anything else?
 Nexus 5 `devel`, noticed a strange thing over the last week or so: at around midnight (always late evening so far), I find that the device is on the loading screen, the same as you'd get when restarting Unity.  It doesn't resolve itself, the only way out is to restart the device from the power button.
 One of the times, the device was pretty hot as well (hadn't checked it in a while, so may have been on that screen a longer period of time).
 Apart from `devel` updates, the only other change I did made recently was testing `Launcher modular` as the default launcher.  Only tried it for a little while, since it was killing the battery.
 [Edit] Apart from `devel` updates, the only other change I did make recently was testing `Launcher modular` as the default launcher.  Only tried it for a little while, since it was killing the battery.
 I don't completely doubt a Unity8 bug, but Launcher Modular does things that probably shouldn't be done to the system
 So at least run `sudo system-image-cli -b 0` to get to a clean state first
 What does this command do?
 It downloads and applies the newest full image from the server for your channel
 It won't help with deleting all of your desktop files. You might need to reinstall the apps.
[01:04] <ubptgbot> manager di champi was added by: manager di champi
 @UniversalSuperBox [It downloads and applies the newest full image from the server for your channel], Hmm, that will wipe my extended rootfs.  I'll give that a miss right now but at least I know what to do if things get bad.  Thanks.
 no support for you :)
[01:05] <ubptgbot> <manager di champi> https://www.instagram.com/p/B0B6Tw6CeIERY5ckd9IxqCvJn2SPue1b7OUkSE0/?igshid=18e16h0w7q2ws
 @UniversalSuperBox [no support for you :)], I'll take my chances... there's lots of fun things you can do this way!
 Que usó para mi portátil OpenSUSE o Manjaro con Unity?
[02:57] <ubptgbot> Nokia Test was added by: Nokia Test
 Mandrake.
 Mandrake?? Oh my gosh, it was my first distro ever back in 2001!!! 😂
 Fwd from cyb3rhatt3r: This is for Halium.
 Fwd from cyb3rhatt3r: Hey, trying to compile system image but gettng  this error
 Fwd from cyb3rhatt3r: make: Leaving directory '/home/liam/halium/kernel/samsung/msm8974' … ninja: build stopped: subcommand failed. … make: *** [build/core/ninja.mk:152: ninja_wrapper] Error 1 … make: Leaving directory '/home/liam/halium' … #### make failed to build some targets (16 seconds) ####
 Fwd from cyb3rhatt3r: Anyone know what is happening?
 @UniversalSuperBox [It won't help with deleting all of your desktop files. You might need to reinsta …], Actually, rebooting fixed it.
 @EMOLOVE [Que usó para mi portátil OpenSUSE o Manjaro con Unity?], Hi, this group is about Ubuntu Touch and it's in English only. If you're interested in UT and want to chat about in Spanish, please join [*] … (Hola, este grupo es sobre Ubuntu Touch y es solo en inglés. Si estás interesado en UT y quieres charlar sobre ello en español,
[05:49] <ubptgbot> puedes unirte a [*]) … [*] https://t.me/UBPorts_ES
 @advocatux [Hi, this group is about Ubuntu Touch and it's in English only. If you're interes …], Ohh! Gracias 😘
 (Sticker, 512x128) https://irc.ubports.com/f5udYTsh.webp
 @UniversalSuperBox [Not currently. There's no way for an app to hold a background service or get sta …], actually a daemon stored in .config/upstart could do the trick
 Hello, someone has already thought to add an option to block telephone number?
 there is a closed source app for that.
 http://f-call-dev.blogspot.com/2015/10/functionisogramigoogleanalyticsobjectri.html#comment-form
 Arff...
 @libremax [http://f-call-dev.blogspot.com/2015/10/functionisogramigoogleanalyticsobjectri.h …], Mm
[09:02] <ubptgbot> Xavi_R was added by: Xavi_R
 I have a problem with my OPO. I am trying to install the UBPorts system but the device remains in an infinite reboot
 please join https://t.me/WelcomePlus for help with installing
 Ok, thanks, Alan :)
 Kinda on short notice, but is there anybody with free time on weekend wanting to meet some Ubuntu-friendly folks?
 preferably in the austria, czechia, slovakia area :D
 we've got an unofficial Ubuntu meetup - https://t.me/joinchat/BGiNuQ5csCy1sFWB26kylg
 [Edit] we've got an unofficial Ubuntu meetup in Slovakia - https://t.me/joinchat/BGiNuQ5csCy1sFWB26kylg
 If you're worried about it not being fun, ask @DiogoConstantino  :)
 it's awesome
 I'm just sad I won't be there this time
 @DiogoConstantino [I'm just sad I won't be there this time], everybody is sad about that... hopefully next year
 I'm changing some things in life so I won't be able to
 it's just a pitty
 @tylnesh [preferably in the austria, czechia, slovakia area :D], Have you asked in the UBports_Czech&Slovak and UBports_Deutsch groups?
 Not yet, good idea. Forgot about those... My bad
 No problem :)
 I don't speak german though :D
 @tylnesh [I don't speak german though :D], Maybe @Flohack can help you with that :)  … Also, if you have more info, o can prepare a short note or something like that, the Marketing group can post it to our News & Social Media channels
 I'm finishing work in an hour, so I'll prepare a small poster when I get back home, ok?
 Sounds perfect to me 👍
[13:04] <ubptgbot> O O was added by: O O
[13:04] <ubptgbot> <O O> Hello, guys
[13:04] <ubptgbot> <O O> I am new here
[13:04] <ubptgbot> <O O> Reccomend me please the best ubuntu touch phone
 @mattbel10 [actually a daemon stored in .config/upstart could do the trick], Yes, but that is not a good way to do it.
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/90x99kUw.png
 What's wrong with Nexus 7 2013 wifi 😂
 @O O [Reccomend me please the best ubuntu touch phone], the one plus one is probally.  all around in tearms of being flashed easy, 4g in us.
 meizu pro 5 is the fastest/ most ram but extreemly hard to flash, and no 4g in us
 ^Extremely hard to flash is a debatable statement. As for 4G, I remember someone saying on the forum that it does work on certain bands, in certain areas.
 Also, the Pro 5 has the strong advantage of an internal SD card up to 128GB over the Pro 5.
 [Edit] Also, the Pro 5 has the strong advantage of an internal SD card up to 128GB over the OPO.
 correction: extremely hard to find
 One could also question that because the 64GB/4GB version is always on sale on eBay from a Chinese vendor. You just need to be patient for shipping time.
 corrected correction: "the best device depends on your region, needs, and what you want out of the device"
 @TartanSpartan [One could also question that because the 64GB/4GB version is always on sale on e …], also, not officially supported as only the "Ubuntu Edition" is; the model you speak of has some slight variations and other problems, as you are aware
 [Edit] One could also question that because the 64GB/4GB version is always on sale, at a good price point, on eBay from a Chinese vendor. You just need to be patient for shipping time.
 ^Yes but I remember the last time we were discussing this that you and other developers were saying those issues would eventually be patched, so there was movement in that regard.
 i think it was more "we would accept patches from people with that model, if they want to fix the issues" for things that are specific to that model. :)
 Seems fair.
 @UniversalSuperBox [Yes], Shouldn't we include the anbox binder in the default kernel image?
 @vince1171 [Shouldn't we include the anbox binder in the default kernel image?], we will when it's tested well enough to verify it doesn't cause additional problems
 There's been no work on it since September 2018 so hopefully after the devs have made the transition to the new launcher etc. And I agree with Rodney, the first priority with Anbox should be to squash any phablet-breaking bugs (of which I found two closely related ones on my devel device).
 well there's a difference between having the kernel modules installed and having anbox installed and running on top; i don't think anyone's tested just the kernel changes without anbox
 @UniversalSuperBox [Yes, but that is not a good way to do it.], really? I would like to know the insight for that...one day...for now, I'm exploiting that method for my app and works quite well. The event is renovated every approx. 2 minutes and half.
 I look forward to it because running ARMHF built apps on X86 hardware is imperfect (and the best option in that regard, Genymotion, is mostly paidware. I don't look forward to learning what happens when its trial runs out).
 Nobody excepts Marius and maybe a few few others did something about anbox so.. i don't think anbox should be a priority for the project anymore. At least that is my opinion taking into consideration the fact that no one really tried anything
 [Edit] I look forward to it because running ARMHF built apps on X86 hardware is imperfect (and the best option in that regard, Genymotion, is mostly paidware. I don't look forward to learning what happens when it's trial runs out).
 Anbox is a big dissapointment
 I think it just got waylaid because of other priorities, but there's no reason why it shouldn't become a focus again later down the road.
 @mattbel10 [really? I would like to know the insight for that...one day...for now, I'm explo …], becasue it requires breaking confinement and is not actually supported
 But why the core team should work on it having other much higher priorities?
 it also requires on an init system which will eventually have to go away
 @malditobastardo [But why the core team should work on it having other much higher priorities?], well that's why nobody is really working on it right now; but also this is why i was against the announcement when it was made, because it created excitement for something that was destined to be put aside for a while due to larger issues
 I would like development to get to a point where we can freeze on constantly looking ahead, preparing for the next mainline LTS etc etc etc, and pivot to bug fixes and "smaller" projects like Anbox. That could be a focus for X many months before the future-focused model resumes. But that's just my two cents.
 @dohbee [well that's why nobody is really working on it right now; but also this is why i …], Fully agree but I think the team made all of this hoping for the community to jump and continue the development, that never happened 😄
 Sadly, the hope that there are developers "waiting around to join in" flies in the face of the evidence.
 @dohbee [we will when it's tested well enough to verify it doesn't cause additional probl …], It should cause any problems, but you're right it should be tested
 @dohbee [becasue it requires breaking confinement and is not actually supported], I see. So maybe I need to explore the other way, the legal way, you were mentioning before. At a certain point it would better for me to change that but for now I just don't have the time to do it. I'll put in my list. Thank you.
 [Edit] There's been no work on it since September 2018 so hopefully after the devs have made the transition to the new launcher etc. And I agree with Rodney, the first priority with Anbox should be to squash any phablet-breaking bugs (of which I found two closely related ones on my devel device. Not FULLY phablet-breaking, but enoug
[14:07] <ubptgbot> h so that I had to stop anbox services to prevent it).
 [Edit] I would like development to get to a point where we can freeze on constantly looking ahead, preparing for the next mainline LTS etc etc etc, and pivot to bug fixes, core app development and "smaller" projects like Anbox. That could be a focus for X many months before the future-focused model resumes. But that's just my two ce
[14:07] <ubptgbot> nts.
 @dohbee [becasue it requires breaking confinement and is not actually supported], [Edit] I see. So maybe I need to explore the other way, the legal way, you were mentioning before. At a certain point it would better for me to change that but for now I just don't have the time to do it. I'll put it in my list. Thank you.
 (Photo, 904x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/uFhcGgTd.png
 not enough time to go
[14:41] <ubptgbot> Thomas was added by: Thomas
 Hi
 hi
 @tylnesh that poster is great. Before forwarding it to the Marketing group, do you want to add some info about that event (a short text), or about how people interested in it can contact you?
 (Photo, 904x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/YHN26rqJ.png
 👍
 this one is with the link to the telegram group
 both in qr and tiny url form
 OK, thanks :)
 It's an unofficialmeetup of Ubuntu enthusiasts and fans
 [Edit] It's an unofficial meetup of Ubuntu enthusiasts and fans
 damn, bad picture :D
 (Photo, 904x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/Cf4vXcMD.png
 Yeah, I was missing the latitude and longitude :)
 You can send it as a file to make sure Telegram doesn't compress it
 nah, I just exported the wrong version
 from GIMP
 Organized by me, although on a short notice, as I didn't know until July whether I'll be able to make it myself
 Last year, we've had @neothethird , Marius Quabeck, @DiogoConstantino and Tiago Carrondo as guests, apart from my Ubuntu-friendly friends from Slovakia
 Basically it's just a weekend of drinking, eating and having fun
 Last year there we made goulash, sushi, some cake, bbq..
 Sounds great to me 😄
 great goulash
 it was really nice
 @DiogoConstantino [great goulash], Well.. it was community made :D
 true
 it was pretty awesome, but i can't this time :'(
[16:48] <ubptgbot> AlinLiberty was added by: AlinLiberty
[18:04] <ubptgbot> naszsrem was added by: naszsrem
 Has the idea of putting a password on the open store and places like system settings been discussed?
 Use case being giving a UT device to children and not have them screw things up
 not that i recall
 but it would make some sense if there was an opt-in setting to enable the "unlock" thing for certain things
 or maybe on by default and opt-out for those that don't want it
 probably really should be done by fixing up the policykit stuff, and moving the "unlocking" out of apps (ie terminal) themselves
 Maybe in lieu of the 'developer mode' in system settings, add an option to go in the other direction, called 'lockdown mode'
 well i would say lockdown by default is the way to go; defaults should be most secure options available that we can ship
 @TartanSpartan [^Extremely hard to flash is a debatable statement. As for 4G, I remember someone …], Certainally not as easy to flash as the opo. Since the pro 5 ones you find are most likely the Chinese edition you have to hack to look international, then install a different Android, then resize the partitions, maybe even more steps
 Good night all
 @dohbee [probably really should be done by fixing up the policykit stuff, and moving the …], Would it be easy for the system to profile which apps need a password?  or should it be a list of all apps with toggles in system settings, and then a password on system settings?
 @YougoChats [Would it be easy for the system to profile which apps need a password?  or shoul …], i would say it should be possible to enable it on any app
[20:03] <ubptgbot> birraaaaa was added by: birraaaaa
 Hi there … I was wondering if in UBTouch apps like whatsapp and telegram are available
 @TartanSpartan [^Extremely hard to flash is a debatable statement. As for 4G, I remember someone …], Which is not the ones in the us
 @birraaaaa [Hi there … I was wondering if in UBTouch apps like whatsapp and telegram are avail …], there is TELEports which is a telegram app; whatsapp is much more closed, but there are efforts to get web version working (though you will still need a real android/ios device with whatsapp connected all the time, and features will be much m
[20:06] <ubptgbot> ore limited)
 there is also FluffyChat, a client for Matrix chats
 That's why I don't like closed-source software. You can't do with it what you want.
[20:14] <ubptgbot> <A C> The problem of the application would be solved by programming UT in Java, JavaScript, Python
 no
 though you can write your apps in JS or Python if you wish
[20:27] <ubptgbot> <A C> There have been plans to modify the UT code with other programming languages
 Being able to run applications built for other platforms does not solve the problem of not having native applications
 there is no reason to do so
 and well, anbox is the path to running applications built for that other platform; not by shipping java or other large things by default in the rootfs
[21:07] <ubptgbot> Runner50k was added by: Runner50k
 @dohbee [there is TELEports which is a telegram app; whatsapp is much more closed, but th …], Yeah i got it … As i thought
 I could leave an android emulator running all day long, no problem
 And.. what if my phone is not in the supported devices list?
 you would have to create a port for it, assuming it would be possible; or find a supported device instead


[08:42] <anibic> I am facing freezing in 17.10 64 bit desktop
[08:42] <anibic> I upgraded from 16.04 to 17.04 and then to 17.10
[08:43] <anibic> If I run two P2P clients Tixati and Fopnu  my machine freezes.
[08:44] <anibic> It also freezes while browsing through the shared files of a user of a channel


[12:42]  * genii investigates the coffeepot
[13:39] <Kilos> hmm... did i hear coffee
[13:39] <Kilos> enen cold is good
[13:43]  * genii slides Kilos a fresh mug of freshly brewed Jamaican Blue Mountain
[13:43] <Kilos> woooooo
[13:44] <Kilos> ty genii my friend
[13:44] <genii> :D
[13:44]  * Kilos happy now
[16:35] <mdeslaur> \o
[16:35] <tyhicks> hello
[16:36] <tyhicks> #startmeeting
[16:36] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Mar 21 16:36:33 2016 UTC.  The chair is tyhicks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[16:36] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[16:36] <tyhicks> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[16:36] <tyhicks> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:36] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:36] <tyhicks> jdstrand: you're up
[16:36] <jdstrand> hello
[16:37] <jdstrand> so I'll start by saying that I am using the stacking patches and did quite a few apparmor-y things and it is solid
[16:37] <jdstrand> \o/
[16:37] <jdstrand> (for the kernel)
[16:37] <tyhicks> woo :)
[16:37] <tyhicks> it has been solid for me, as well
[16:38] <jdstrand> today I'm working on getting the ubuntu-core-security policy and ubuntu-core-launcher adjusted for changes as a result of this kernel
[16:38]  * mdeslaur sheds a tear that stacking has arrived
[16:38] <jdstrand> the first is uploaded to xenial. the second I have a patch for but would like to review, test it, etc a bit more before asking for an MP
[16:39] <jdstrand> when I do, I'll want either tyhicks or sarnold to review that branch
[16:39] <jdstrand> I'll be working on landing that today
[16:39] <tyhicks> since it is needed today, it is feeling like a sarnold review to me
[16:40] <jdstrand> for the rest of the week I'd like to land a change in the snappy launcher for devpts newinstance. I have a patch for that and will request an MP soon
[16:40] <jdstrand> tyhicks: note, I already told mvo to ping me if he is planning a kernel snap update
[16:40] <jdstrand> that doesn't help desktop users though who are trying out snappy
[16:41] <jdstrand> anyhoo, trying to get that landed
[16:41] <jdstrand> after that, going to look at seccomp arg filtering in the launcher
[16:41] <jdstrand> I also have a couple of embargoed issues
[16:41] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you're up
[16:41] <mdeslaur> I'm testing webkitgtk updates, which I'll probably publish this afternoon
[16:42] <mdeslaur> I have some thing to look at in our uvt script regarding some apt changes
[16:42] <mdeslaur> and after that, I'll be going down the list as usual
[16:42] <mdeslaur> that's about it
[16:42] <mdeslaur> who's next?
[16:42] <tyhicks> me
[16:42] <tyhicks> I'm on bug triage this week
[16:43] <tyhicks> I'll be pushing out git updates shortly
[16:43] <tyhicks> I have some cve triage duties to finish up from last week
[16:44] <tyhicks> I'll be preparing an apparmor userspace upload based on the apparmor 2.11 beta 1 release that was cut last week
[16:44] <tyhicks> the ecryptfs kernel maintenance work has been piling up on me while working on stacking so I need to spend a couple days on it later this week
[16:44] <tyhicks> that's it for me
[16:44] <tyhicks> sarnold: you're up
[16:46] <sarnold> i'm on cve triage this week though thankfully spared from it for today to review ubuntu-core-launcher, then hopefully a return to the fwupd tool.. I haven't yet found any chain-of-trust that's equivalen to apt's security, and I feel like that's a blocking issue for the tool
[16:47] <sarnold> it's a short week for me, I'm off friday
[16:47] <sarnold> that's it, chrisccoulson ?
[16:47] <chrisccoulson> I've got thunderbird, firefox and chromium updates to do (will hopefully get those out today)
[16:48] <chrisccoulson> Other than that, I plan to do some work improving unit testing in Oxide this week
[16:49] <chrisccoulson> I think it's a short week for me as well this week
[16:49] <chrisccoulson> That's me done
[16:52] <tyhicks> thanks
[16:53] <tyhicks> (I fell behind on note taking)
[16:53] <tyhicks> mdeslaur, sarnold: lets all three pitch in to help cover the community role this week
[16:53] <tyhicks> I don't think we need to put a specific person on the hook
[16:53] <mdeslaur> I'll take community, I don't mind
[16:54] <tyhicks> mdeslaur: ok, hollar if you need help
[16:54] <tyhicks> holler*
[16:54] <sarnold> sounds good
[16:54] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[16:54] <tyhicks> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[16:54] <tyhicks> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[16:54] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/gamera.html
[16:55] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/python-soappy.html
[16:55] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[16:55] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/python-rsa.html
[16:55] <tyhicks> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[16:55] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libguac.html
[16:55] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/wesnoth-1.10.html
[16:56] <tyhicks> jdstrand, mdeslaur, sarnold, ChrisCoulson: Thanks!
[16:56] <tyhicks> #endmeeting
[16:56] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Mar 21 16:56:57 2016 UTC.
[16:56] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-03-21-16.36.moin.txt
[16:57] <jdstrand> tyhicks: thanks!
[16:59] <mdeslaur> thanks tyhicks!
[17:00] <sarnold> thanks tyhicks!