[00:01] <wilee-nilee> no problem
[00:09] <tsukasa_> hey guys
[00:09] <tsukasa_> quick question
[00:09] <tsukasa_> is any dev working on the htc one s at this moment
[00:09] <tsukasa_> ?
[00:14] <tsukasa_> i am asking this because i might be able to help in the development
[00:55] <FUF> so, following instructions here: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/243/builds/42413/downloads
[00:56] <FUF> on grouper, once the flash is completed and the device reboots, after the initial Google boot logo, the device powers off.
[00:57] <FUF> i.e. phablet-flash completes, devices reboots into recovery and flashes, then reboots again and the device powers off after initial Google logo.
[00:57] <FUF> any thoughts, anyone?
[02:11] <Steve____> Hi team
[03:01] <solstag> hi there
[03:01] <solstag> Ni!
[03:02] <solstag> im trying to install via manual procedure in a galaxy nexus
[03:02] <solstag> anyone had success with that?
[03:02] <solstag> im trying to understand what the "adb push" commands do, since they dont seem to do nothing but transfer a file... : P
[03:02] <solstag> also, my galaxy nexus isnt recognized by adb in recovery mode
[03:03] <solstag> should I just apply those adb push commands under a normal boot?
[03:03] <wilee-nilee> solstag, Are you using the install wiki?
[03:03] <solstag> any ideas would be appreciated
[03:03] <solstag> yes, im using the install wiki
[03:04] <solstag> wilee-nilee: ˆ
[03:04] <wilee-nilee> solstag, You added the phablet ppa and apps?
[03:04] <solstag> thats the problem, i dont have an ubuntu machine handy right now
[03:04] <solstag> so im trying the manual install procedure
[03:05] <solstag> at the end of the install wiki page
[03:05] <wilee-nilee> solstag, Ah, there is a manual install from that wiki from ubuntu, thought you meant that, that is about the limit of my help.
[03:06] <solstag> wilee-nilee: ah, ok, thank you very much anyway +)
[03:06] <solstag> hopefully someone else who has some understanding reads this...
[03:47] <harris> will it come to galaxy tab 2 10.1
[07:39] <user82> hello all. can i just install ubuntu touch with clockworkmod recovery via "factory reset/wipe all" and "install zip from sdcard"?
[07:43] <STEI> hello
[07:48] <kirix> hello
[07:49] <kirix> has anyone else had trouble with " phablet-flash –alternate-settings raring_settings.py
[07:58] <rigved> hi everyone
[07:58] <rigved> using the new raring images, is it possible apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[08:00] <wilee-nilee> rigved, A dist-upgrade is not a release upgrade
[08:10] <kirix> do I need to specify my device with "phablet-flash -alternative-settings raring_settings.py"?
[08:12] <kirix> guess I need to try to manually install raring
[08:13] <rigved> wilee-nilee: what i mean is is that do i need to flash the daily image to get a new version or is it possible to get updates via apt-get?
[08:16] <Double_W> can samsung galaxy gt-i8150 use ubuntu touch?
[08:18] <wilee-nilee> rigved, You can get apt-get updates yeah, but the images may have changes not included in a update at times I suspect.
[08:19] <kirix> /home/kirix/Desktop/unltlauncher100.sh
[08:19] <kirix> oops
[08:24] <kirix> had to put android back on my phone. im too dumb to upgrade developers preview to raring
[08:26] <ogra_> just use the manual method from the install wikipage then ... its not hard, its only 4 commands
[08:32] <kirix> thanks
[08:46] <user82> sorry for asking again. can i just install ubuntu touch with clockworkmod recovery via "factory reset/wipe all" and "install zip from sdcard"?
[08:48] <kirix> user82: right now im pushing the raring files to the SD card in recovery and going to try installing zip from sd card in Clockwork Recovery
[09:04] <kirix> that worked
[09:10] <user82> kirix thank you for the information
[09:10] <user82> kirix what did you need to do? full wipe/factory reset?
[09:18] <kirix> i "adb push" raring-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip and raring-preinstalled-armel+maguro.zip and installed those two in order
[09:18] <kirix> i think i got raring on there, i cant find the version indicator inside ubuntu touch
[09:20] <user82> okay thanks. i wanted to do that without adb
[09:20] <kirix> yeah i barely understand it
[09:21] <kirix> it's still in test phase not for dumb people who ask too many questions
[10:14] <Meizirkki> hey
[10:15] <Meizirkki> I was wondering, what exactly is so different between android and ubuntu kernels?
[10:19] <Namidairo> Meizirkki: currently? the defconfig.
[10:22] <Meizirkki> I was thinking the standard ubuntu kernel and the standard android kernel. As in, are there some things that make them incompatible besides the drivers for individual hardware?
[10:29] <Meizirkki> Or am I totally lost here?
[10:31] <Meizirkki> What I'm wondering here is why can't the normal ubuntu arm release work if an android kernel is just dropped in
[10:31] <Meizirkki> This is maybe the wrong channel to ask as it has nothing to do with ubuntu touch
[10:31] <Meizirkki> :P
[10:35] <ogra_> yeah, #ubuntu-arm might be better
[11:09] <urbanslug> Hey guys is there a way I can run ubuntu touch inside Linux Mint
[11:10] <smartboyhw> urbanslug, do it yourself...
[11:11] <smartboyhw> You can ask the Linux Mint devs
[11:13] <urbanslug> Thanks
[11:14] <gammie> how do i install ubuntu on samsung galaxy s1?
[11:15] <urbanslug> Linux Mint devs? Okay I've been programming for just six months and I feel confident enough to try my own ideas on it.
[11:19] <smartboyhw> gammie, please look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/galaxysmtd
[11:30] <poutine> There doesn't appear to be a toro in here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/20130420/ any reason why?
[11:31] <smartboyhw> poutine, toro?
[11:31] <poutine> verizon galaxy nexus
[11:31] <smartboyhw> Which device are you specifically talking about?
[11:31] <poutine> they're all labeled by their sushi name, figured that was common nomenclature
[11:32] <smartboyhw> poutine, erm Galaxy Nexus I think means the normal one.
[11:32] <poutine> This is a normal one, this is built off cyanogenmod, why couldn't the cyanogenmod for the toro be used?
[11:33] <smartboyhw> poutine, if you seriously want one you have to port it yourself
[11:33] <smartboyhw> oh wait
[11:33] <poutine> Ok I will look into it
[11:33] <smartboyhw> poutine, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=38294870
[11:33] <smartboyhw> I think that's the toro thread for porting
[12:12] <Oranger> mhall119: Hey ! Thank you for your branch ! :) There is still an error because qt5-qmake and qt-chooser are virtual packages, i'm trying to fix it
[12:23] <mybro> hello everyone
[12:24] <mybro> getting strange errors when I attempt to flash the latest Dev Preview
[12:24] <mybro> http://pastebin.com/VVhYQvs7
[12:24] <mybro> Nexus 4 - Did a clean install of 4.2.2., enabled USB debugging, device shows up in adb
[12:25] <mybro> any ideas?
[12:25] <mybro> the actual error is in the pastebin I just typed in....
[12:25] <ogra_> did you follow the exact steps on the wiki ?
[12:26] <mybro> This time I used the ones on the ISO testing site
[12:26] <mybro> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/243/builds/42607/downloads
[12:26] <mybro> though I doublechecked the preparatory steps on the wiki
[12:27] <mybro> didn't run into this problem back in Feb when I flashed the original build
[12:27] <ogra_> well, you are obviously missing one :)
[12:27] <ogra_> go through them again
[12:27] <mybro> ok, checking again...
[12:29] <sergiusens> mybro: ogra_ if you are flashing from an android OS you need to add -b
[12:29] <sergiusens> to the flash
[12:29] <sergiusens> the instructions on isotracker are for people already using ubuntu touch
[12:29] <mybro> sergiusens: Thanks.  I didn't realize that
[12:30] <mybro> my internet connection is horribly slow, so it takes about 4 hours each try if the images aren't cached.  Will give the phablet-flash -b a try
[13:13] <sergiusens> ogra_: you around?
[13:14] <sergiusens> ogra_: nevermind...
[13:22] <ogra_> sergiusens, i am
[13:24] <sergiusens> I'll be triggering a build soon, that's all :-)
[13:27] <ogra_> ah
[13:27] <ogra_> well, the i can see if the mailing works again ... good
[13:27] <ogra_> somehos this mornings build didnt send a log
[13:45] <UserError1> Does the beta have terminal or file manager?
[13:45] <Oranger> UserError1: There is no beta version
[13:46] <Oranger> UserError1: But the terminal and the file manager are being developed
[13:47] <Oranger> UserError1: You can install it if you want, bug reports are welcome :)
[13:48] <UserError1> Do you guys have it set up so I can just chroot in or emulate on vbox / qmu and push to shared folder?
[13:49] <UserError1> Slashdot headlines, why did I believe them. They are throwing around the B word
[13:50] <Oranger> UserError1: You want to use Ubuntu-touch in a VM ? Or you are already using it there ?
[13:51] <UserError1> i have a galaxy nexus, i don't know how i would otherwise get the files to that image other than chroot or something of that sort.
[13:51] <UserError1> Touch supports adb?
[13:53] <Oranger> UserError1: I'm sorry I can't answer you now I have to go, hope someone else will help you here ! :) Some poeple did it before you so I'm sure this is possible
[15:40] <sybrek> hi, does somebodyknow which features are working on htc sensation (pyramid) ? i can't find any information about that
[16:04] <Bascalin> Hello, one little Question: It is possible to use/install Ubuntu Touch on an x86 Tabler (like Wetab or ExoPC) ?
[16:16] <Bascalin> Anybody here who knows of capability running ubuntu touch on x86 tablets ?
[16:24] <AndiTheBest> Hi, is there anywhere a changelog of the new ubuntu touch raring beta?
[16:33] <Oranger> AndiTheBest: A changelog which include all changelogs of all apps updated in ubuntu-touch ?
[16:45] <speedly> hi all
[16:46] <shadeslayer> ogra_: btw the framebuffer is on /dev/graphics/fb0
[16:46] <speedly> I looking for install ubuntu to my tablet A10 cortex8 1gb ddr3 mali400 and resolution 800X480 anyone can help me
[16:47] <shadeslayer> ogra_: and there's a sysfs interface as well /sys/class/graphics/fb0
[16:48] <Oranger> speedly: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[17:04] <speedly> thanks oranger which device compatible whit me A10 cortex8 1gb ddr3 mali400 and resolution 800X480
[17:07] <Oranger> speedly: I think that nobody tried with your device actually, you can try yourself to find which device will work for you ;)
[17:07] <JHOSMAN> Hello there!
[17:07] <AndiTheBest> Oranger: I want to know how usable ubuntu touch now is.
[17:08] <JHOSMAN> please helpme, im run Ubuntu Next :~/unity/unity-next$ ./run ./run: 43: ./run: ./builddir/qml-phone-shell: not found
[17:09] <Oranger> AndiTheBest: He is still in developpement, you can use it but keep in mind that few bugs will appears and a lot of core-apps are not finished :)
[17:09] <Oranger> JHOSMAN: what is that ?
[17:10] <speedly> orenger thanks :)
[17:12] <JHOSMAN> Oranger:  http://www.ma-no.org/en/content/index_how-to-run-unity-next-on-ubuntu-12-10_1364.php
[17:12] <JHOSMAN> Oranger:  Step Four: Running Unity Next
[17:13] <JHOSMAN> In cd ~/unity/unity-next    ./run
[17:14] <Oranger> you don't c/p "cd ~/unity/unity-next    ./run" I hope
[17:15] <AndiTheBest> Oranger: there is no OS without bugs ;) i'm searching for a replacement for my old n900, android didnt make me happy. as today everythig is webbased, i'm thinking about using ubuntu touch as main phone OS now.
[17:15] <JHOSMAN> :P
[17:15] <JHOSMAN> See
[17:15] <JHOSMAN> :~/unity/unity-next$ ./run
[17:16] <JHOSMAN> and the console print "./run: 43: ./run: ./builddir/qml-phone-shell: not found"
[17:18] <Oranger> AndiTheBest: The beta version of ubuntu-touch is not really planned to be use as a main phone because it is not yet stable. But if you want you can, nothing stopping you :) Every bug report is needed :)
[17:19] <Oranger> JHOSMAN: What do you have in ~/unity/unity-next
[17:25] <JHOSMAN> Oranger: See http://i.imgur.com/yx7LN9P.jpg
[17:29] <AndiTheBest> ok, i will give a try :) thx
[17:30] <isemenov> hello guys
[17:31] <isemenov> I'd like to know if ubuntu phone runs compiled code or uses a Java VM similar to Android
[17:31] <isemenov> or is it possible to install a version of it that runs compiled code
[17:32] <isemenov> thnka you
[17:32] <bef0rd_> there is no java vm
[17:32] <isemenov> wel, I've seen "ubuntu on android" and got worried
[17:33] <isemenov> so does installing ubuntu phone mean that I get a real linux kernel, which is not locked down in any fashion, and a full collection of GNU utilities as in gnu/linux?
[17:34] <isemenov> also a deb package manager and root access by default?
[17:34] <isemenov> bef0rd_: ^
[17:34] <isemenov> thank you!
[17:35] <bef0rd_> isemenov: I think so, but I do not know all the things "under" it
[17:35] <isemenov> ok
[17:36] <bef0rd_> I know that video drivers will be android compatible to make it easier
[17:36] <bef0rd_> and most of the other stuff is probably yes, I don't see them changing the package manager
[17:37] <isemenov> ok, great
[17:37] <isemenov> want to get rid of android in my tegra-based pda
[17:42] <shadeslayer> hah
[17:43] <isemenov> yeah, it has no root access and uses java, what for
[17:43] <isemenov> java go home
[17:43] <isemenov> those who can't code c++ flee away to java
[17:44] <mhall119> Oranger: I'm not sure what the problem is now, I'll have to ask the experts on Monday
[17:44] <Oranger> mhall119: I know the problem
[17:44] <mhall119> what is it?
[17:44] <isemenov> shadeslayer: didnt expect to meet you here ;)
[17:44] <Oranger> mhall119: I watched at the quantal build, but qt5 is only avalaible on raring
[17:44] <shadeslayer> heh :P
[17:44] <mhall119> Oranger: oh, right, it's in the ubuntu-sdk-team PPA on quantal....
[17:44]  * shadeslayer high 5's isemenov
[17:45] <shadeslayer> isemenov: trying to get KDE to run on the Nexus 10 :P
[17:45] <Oranger> mhall119: So we can't build ubuntu-docviewer-app for quantal :)
[17:45] <isemenov> yeah go go
[17:45] <shadeslayer> I finally have the device showing up on the usb interface during the boot
[17:46] <Oranger> mhall119: I'm fixing the last build errors for raring, it will be ok for today... i hope
[17:46] <mhall119> Oranger: the PPA should be getting them from the SDK team's PPA....
[17:46] <mhall119> fginther or popey might be able to help figure this out
[17:46] <Oranger> mhall119: Oh... ok, so I let them do it ^^
[17:47] <JHOSMAN> Oranger: Yes, I understand you do not find the directory, but I followed the steps
[17:48] <Oranger> JHOSMAN: Sorry, i'm with you in few minutes
[17:48] <JHOSMAN> :P
[17:48] <JHOSMAN> ok
[18:13] <JHOSMAN> Oranger:  One question, bazar files only work in Ubunu 12.10
[18:14] <Oranger> JHOSMAN: Depend of the app
[18:16] <JHOSMAN> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/04/how-to-run-unity-next-on-your-desktop
[18:17] <JHOSMAN> I get the same error, I have Ubuntu 13.04 Raring
[18:37] <shadeslayer> ogra_: around?
[18:48] <JHOSMAN> I tried several times but it still has the same problem.
[19:06] <Oranger> JHOSMAN: Bazaar file of what ?
[19:07] <JHOSMAN> Oranger: in the comand
[19:07] <JHOSMAN> $ ./run
[19:07] <JHOSMAN> excuse
[19:07] <JHOSMAN> :) It's Run!
[19:07] <Oranger> JHOSMAN: Good ! :)
[19:08] <JHOSMAN> The documentation of OmgUbuntu it's out!
[19:08] <JHOSMAN> http://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/development/unitynext/
[19:08] <JHOSMAN> and add the LP and Bazzar repositories
[19:11] <JHOSMAN> how to close applications, what is? in UnityNext
[20:16] <Oranger> JHOSMAN: Yes, you always have to follow official tutorials, not in blogs
[20:56] <JHOSMAN> Oranger:  Although the official tutorial is not very specific, for people who are not accustomed to using Bazar
[21:00] <Oranger> JHOSMAN: Then edit it :)
[21:00] <JHOSMAN> Yes =)
[21:01] <JHOSMAN> the problem is that I have no permissions on these blogs :P
[21:01] <Oranger> JHOSMAN: Can you send me the link ?
[21:01] <kirix> does Maps work in raring?
[21:02] <JHOSMAN> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/04/how-to-run-unity-next-on-your-desktop
[21:02] <Oranger> kirix: maps ?
[21:02] <JHOSMAN>  http://www.ma-no.org/en/content/index_how-to-run-unity-next-on-ubuntu-12-10_1364.php
[21:02] <kirix> yes
[21:02] <Oranger> JHOSMAN: I tought of the wiki
[21:04] <JHOSMAN> I do not understand
[21:04] <Oranger> JHOSMAN: This link is for you the officiel tuto ?
[21:04] <JHOSMAN> No
[21:05] <JHOSMAN> But the information of http://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/development/unitynext/ It was not clear
[21:06] <JHOSMAN> for this
[21:06] <JHOSMAN> Build dependencies  If its your first time, download & build deps  $ ./build -s  this will:      Add ppa:phablet-team/desktop-deps     For 12.10, add ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-proper and ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa     Build and install lp:libunity/phablet, lp:unity/phablet-mods, lp:hud/phablet and lp:unity-lens-people locally     For 12.10, build and install lp:nux/phablet locally     Install build dependencies
[21:22] <Oranger> JHOSMAN: Oh yes ok I see, this is only for dev... Yes the wiki need a tutorial for beginners
[21:27] <JHOSMAN> ;)
[21:35] <Roberth_> hola buenas tardes
[21:35] <Oranger> RobbyF: hey
[21:35] <Roberth_> como estas??
[21:36] <Roberth_> quiero saber como puedo instalarle a mi tetelefono celular ubuntu
[21:37] <Oranger> !es
[21:39] <Roberth_> hello
[21:40] <Oranger> Roberth_: Did you search in google ?
[21:40] <Roberth_> nmmmm ok
[21:50] <Oranger> mhall119: I fixed the build for raring, the quantal build still got errors
[22:59] <iLarsona> Hello
[22:59] <iLarsona> I need help
[23:36] <hays> does the ubuntu-touch on a nexus4 have a phone?


[14:07] <nigelb> charlie-tca: ping ping, all set for second session? :)
[14:07] <charlie-tca> heh, sure
[14:07] <charlie-tca> I think it went pretty good, myself
[14:07] <nigelb> heh
[14:08] <nigelb> I was happy to see lots of curiosity
[14:08] <charlie-tca> yes, we need that to get people thinking about accessibility
[14:09] <Pendulum> charlie-tca: so it went well?
[14:10] <charlie-tca> Yes, I believe it did
[14:10] <Pendulum> sorry I couldn't be there, I was in a car in the middle of a 6 hr drive :(
[14:10] <charlie-tca> No problem
[14:10] <Pendulum> once I'm a bit more settled back here, I do plan on reading the logs :)
[14:10] <charlie-tca> We had a lot of people, and a few questions
[14:10] <Pendulum> awesome :)
[14:11] <charlie-tca> I mostly used your session from userdays, with a few things of my own thrown in
[14:13] <Pendulum> cool
[14:13] <Pendulum> and I'm glad my session was useful
[14:13] <Pendulum> I may have erm, possible, maybe, definitely, written it on the day ;-)
[14:14] <charlie-tca> It is always helpful to have some material to work with.
[14:14] <charlie-tca> Today is more difficult. It is the first session I will do as xubuntu project lead
[14:14] <Pendulum> *nods*
[14:16] <nigelb> charlie-tca: oh, you're xubuntu lead? I didn't know!
[14:17] <charlie-tca> heh, just as an interim lead, probably for two years
[14:18] <Pendulum> charlie-tca: that doesn't sound very interim to me
[14:19] <charlie-tca> We have different definitions ?
[14:19] <Pendulum> fair enough :)
[14:19] <charlie-tca> I have to figure out how to get myself approved, since we kind of left that out when we re-organized three years ago
[14:21] <charlie-tca> We wrote out everything except how to approve the new project lead every two years
[14:26] <Pendulum> oh dear
[14:27] <charlie-tca> A small mistake? and I was involved in that, too. We did realize it, neither did CC
[14:27] <charlie-tca> Rather, did not realize
[14:30] <nigelb> heh
[14:37] <Pendulum> video on website accessibility: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awldEoQ-aNQ
[14:37] <Pendulum> UK-based, but still kinda cool
[14:38]  * AlanBell ponders what Pendulum just said
[14:38] <Pendulum> AlanBell: just meaning that everyone in it is British and some of the discussion may only really apply in places in the UK
[14:39] <Pendulum> although it's generally decent
[14:39] <AlanBell> watching it now
[14:39]  * AlanBell <- UK based, but still kinda cool
[14:39] <Pendulum> AlanBell: you're generally cool :P
[14:42] <Pendulum> now if only I could convince Flash that she wants to help us ;-)
[14:43] <Pendulum> ooh, there's also a video on accessible transport/travel :)
[14:44] <charlie-tca> that is a really good video
[14:44] <AlanBell> Pendulum: you know her?
[14:44] <Pendulum> AlanBell: yep :)
[14:45] <Pendulum> AlanBell: she's the small world-story with keybuk and sladen :)
[14:45] <charlie-tca> Pendulum: did you blog about world accessibility day today?
[14:45] <Pendulum> today is world accessibility today?
[14:45] <charlie-tca> Um, I think so
[14:46] <charlie-tca> I caught a reference to it yesterday.
[14:47] <Pendulum> ah, that seems to be what World Standards Day is
[14:47] <Pendulum> I hadn't put together that it was specific to accessibility standards
[14:47] <charlie-tca> I think it is very confusing for everybody
[14:48] <Pendulum> I'd kinda worry that I'd end up ranting
[14:48] <charlie-tca> How do you publicize a day that is made confusing?
[14:48] <Pendulum> i dunno
[14:49] <Pendulum> but, yeah
[14:49] <Pendulum> my concern is that I'd end up talking about the fact that Ubuntu/Canonical seem to ignore things like web standards
[14:49] <AlanBell> The 41st World Standard Day on Oct. 14, 2010 will be celebrated under the theme: “Standards make the world accessible for all.
[14:50] <AlanBell> so there have been 40 previous days we never heard of either
[14:51] <charlie-tca> Maybe we did not really care about them?
[14:51] <Pendulum> heh
[14:52] <Pendulum> I only heard about this because of Flash
[14:53] <charlie-tca> I know. I tried not to say that yesterday
[14:53] <Pendulum> heh
[14:53] <Pendulum> yeah
[14:55] <Pendulum> it would be bad of me to do a question in ask sabdfl about "Today is World Standards Day with a focus this year on Accessibility, are there any plans to improve accessibility in Ubuntu and related things such as the website up to accessibility standards?"
[14:55] <AlanBell> nope, perfectly good question
[14:55] <charlie-tca> I think that would be a great question
[14:56] <Pendulum> nigelb: ^^
[14:56] <Pendulum> yeah, but I don't want to piss people off
[14:56] <nigelb> go for it
[14:56] <Pendulum> that's kinda a leading question
[14:56] <AlanBell> Pendulum: do it
[14:56] <charlie-tca> I will ask it, if you want
[14:56] <nigelb> Just do it (TM)
[14:56] <Pendulum> and I'm worried it'd reflect badly on me
[14:56] <AlanBell> it won't
[14:57] <AlanBell> perfectly good question, and one that should be asked by you as a leader of the team
[14:57] <charlie-tca> +1
[14:57] <charlie-tca> Team lead sometimes has to ask the difficult questions
[14:58] <charlie-tca> And, it is a question all of us would like to know the answer to. It is not like it is a one person desire
[14:59] <charlie-tca> or wish or "lets raise some hell" type question
[15:00] <AlanBell> I have to go out now to get the kids from school, Pendulum, please ask that question o/
[15:00] <Pendulum> okay, okay :P
[15:00] <charlie-tca> I'll be waiting for it.
[15:02] <nigelb> ok, it has started
[15:02] <Pendulum> question has been asked, we'll see if it gets answered
[15:03] <Pendulum> I kinda had to dump the question now because i have to leave soon
[15:05] <charlie-tca> That's the only way to get them in anyway.
[15:11] <nigelb> that's good news, from mark
[15:12] <Pendulum> well, it's kinda required
[15:12] <Pendulum> unity doesn't work with Orca
[15:12] <charlie-tca> What? it is touchpad, not accessibility
[15:12] <nigelb> oh, yuck
[15:13] <charlie-tca> It's just more rhetoric
[15:13] <charlie-tca> "we support it, as long as it doesn't get in the way"
[15:13] <Pendulum> webkit problem, i think
[15:14] <charlie-tca> But if we could get mark pushing it as hard as unity or ayatana, we would have it working
[15:14]  * charlie-tca shuts up and hides again
[15:19] <Pendulum> charlie-tca: what do you think I'm hoping for? ;-)
[15:20] <charlie-tca> I know, just frustrated, I guess.
[15:21] <charlie-tca> they will push touchpad, and if it happens to help with accessibility, it's called "We did IT! everyone can use this, regardless of disablitiy"
[15:34] <nigelb> charlie-tca: heh
[17:41] <Pendulum> charlie-tca: how'd it go?
[17:42] <charlie-tca> not bad. Not as good as I hoped, though.
[17:43] <charlie-tca> audience doesn't seem to be there, maybe? Or I was not getting their interest this time.
[18:03] <nigelb> dang, I stepped out from work -> home just when you started
[18:04] <nigelb> need to look at logs
[18:12] <charlie-tca> I think I was boring today
[18:26] <AlanBell> evening
[18:27] <AlanBell> so not a spectacular answer from Mark, but not a disaster either
[18:28] <dutchie> AlanBell: eh?
[18:28] <AlanBell> dutchie: in the openweek session
[18:28] <dutchie> yeah, just read back
[18:28] <Pendulum> it felt a bit PR-y to me, but was honestly more involved than I expected
[18:29] <AlanBell> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/10/14/%23ubuntu-classroom.html#t15:10
[18:30] <AlanBell> it would be good to get more bugs filed against the website for accessibility
[18:30] <AlanBell> not sure there are enough against the new design
[23:56] <AlanBell> rant posted, off to bed now o/
[23:56] <AlanBell> if any web designers turn up, do be nice to them :)


[07:30] <lenz> Hey! Anyone there?
[15:34] <drasko_> on boot, linux hangs there: [    2.601529] drivers/rtc/hctosys.c: unable to open rtc device (rtc0), then waits for a long time before continuing boot
[15:36] <ogra_> fix your kernel then :)
[17:10] <over_> hello, anybody developing in c# with mono here ?
[19:08] <canurabus> hi all. is it possible to dual boot ubuntu with android on a nexus 4?
[20:09] <linuxperia> Hi. I am a big Fan of Ubuntu Linux and a Long Year user/coder/developer since "Ubuntu Warty Warthog". I buyed recently the Android 2.2 Smart Watch Phone "Z1" => http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stRX0URpSkw and want now to port Ubuntu Linux Phone Edition to this ARM Smart Watch Phone. Would like to ask if anybody with experience here is willing to assist, advice and help me with Porting Ubuntu...
[20:09] <linuxperia> ...Linux Phone Edition to this great ARM Mobile Smart Watch Phone. I have a little experience with porting Linux and OPIE to Sony Ericsson Xperia Mobile Phones including Cross Compiling the Kernel and the needed Drivers on the other hand i have zero experience with Android and need here Help to not break my new Smart Watch Phone.
[20:11] <linuxperia> The SoC Chip is a ARM MTK6516 and i have all the needed Images and Data for debuging.
[23:22] <AmEv> Any Tegra 2 guys available?
[23:25] <srwarren> AmEv, yup
[23:25] <AmEv> Nice.
[23:26] <AmEv> Well, stuck on trying to get native Ubuntu booting on my tablet.
[23:26] <AmEv> Toshbia Thrive.
[23:27] <AmEv> I've had a full boot.img, but nothing ever displayed on my screen.
[23:27] <AmEv> Any suggestions?
[23:28] <srwarren> Not really; that platform isn't supported by the upstream kernel which is what I deal with
[23:29] <AmEv> Ah.
[23:29] <AmEv> We do have a partial port to UTouch, with a kernel, and it got to the home screen...
[23:31] <AmEv> Well, I do know that lilstevie was one that got it booting on several Tegra 2 devices.
[23:32] <srwarren> I always suggest porting upstream U-Boot and replacing the bootloader, but that can be dangerous
[23:32] <AmEv> Well, I do (unoffically) have NVFlash access...
[23:32] <srwarren> Oh, it might not be that bad then
[23:33] <AmEv> "Unofficially" as in "Toshiba sent it to the trusted beta testers, who one trusts me enough not to blow up my personal tablet with it".
[23:34] <AmEv> Still, I do see that lilstevie was working on porting uboot to the TF101... You hear by fluke Steve?
[23:37] <AmEv> Oh, quick question: Is there a way to inject adbd into the rootfs and have it run?


[02:14] <PryMar56> in a new install of Vivid server, should initrd.img have any files related to fsck?
[02:14] <PryMar56> like e2fsck.conf or /sbin/e2fsck ?
[06:57] <lordievader> Good morning.
[15:43] <pmatulis> haven't updated in a few weeks, anything i should be scared about?
[15:48] <holstein> not if you have "good" backups ;)
[15:50] <pmatulis> :(
[17:22] <pmatulis> who-hoo!
[17:22] <pmatulis> $ uname -r
[17:22] <pmatulis> 4.1.0-2-generic
[18:45] <rrva> does there exist a selinux enabled kernel for wily?
[18:46] <holstein> i thought you just added the package.. selinux..
[18:46] <rrva> so it disables apparmor?
[18:46] <rrva> testing
[18:48] <rrva> it forces removal of 'lxc' package which I need
[21:12] <rrva> what is the systemd way to persist iptables rules
[21:12] <rrva> or the ubuntu+1 way, whichever is the route in wily


  Butter me up.  Tell me I'm pretty.
[07:17] <smb> infinity, You know after so long I think I have lost my sense of diplomacy. :-P
[07:18] <infinity> smb: *cough*
[07:18] <infinity> smb: Hey, we got your crash stuff in, one thing at a time.
[07:18] <infinity> Honestly, I'd like to get you PPU rights for Xen* stuff anyway.
[07:19] <infinity> Probably should just add it to the kernel set.
[07:20] <smb> infinity, Oh yes, was that after 2 months of begging or more. :) Yeah well its just that I think I would love one or two real reviews of my approaches to weed out the small lapses that might have crawled in
[07:21] <infinity> smb: *nod*... I agree that reviewing is sane and reasonable here.
[07:21] <infinity> smb: Keep pestering.  You're not actually annoying me.  Just makes me feel bad when I can't always make the time. :P
[07:21] <smb> infinity, So maybe I should try to get apw on the MRE ones as they are not that crazy / new
[07:22] <smb> At least one by one. For Xen-4.3 its now down to a FFE :(
[07:22] <smb> infinity, Heh I try my very best Mrs. Sophie
[07:23] <infinity> smb: The 4.3 FFe will be approved, as long as you also promise to make sure deps/rdeps all work.
[07:23] <smb> infinity, I am pretty sure they work as before *cough*
[07:23] <infinity> That's some curious phrasing.
[07:24] <smb> I tried xcp/xen-api and it was not working too well with Xen-4.2
[07:24] <smb> and the same way with Xen-4.3
[07:24] <smb> All the things we found in rdeps at least now have compiled in my PPA
[07:26] <smb> infinity, I tried to document that in the FFE (can give you the link if you want to, though I suppose you have a search for them)
[07:28] <infinity> smb: The bug URL wouldn't hurt.  I'm scatterbrained this week.
[07:29] <smb> infinity, vJetlag? :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xen/+bug/1218817
[07:29] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1218817 in xen (Ubuntu) "[FFE] Update to Xen-4.3 in Saucy" [High,New]
[07:29] <smb> Reminds me I had planned on vJetlag or vHangover for this week...
[07:50] <apw> ppisati, moin, hows arm today
[07:51] <ppisati> apw: looking at it right now
[07:52]  * apw is aware it is early :)
[07:52] <apw> oh so painfully aware
[08:28] <ppisati> apw: looks good
[08:29] <ppisati> apw: tested on omap, vexpress, calxeda cx1000 and cx2000 (midway), both generic and generic-lpae
[08:29] <ppisati> brb
[08:29] <apw> ppisati, cool so you resolved your calxeda issues without change to the code
[08:35] <ppisati> apw: it was the conserver
[08:35] <ppisati> apw: sometimes that thing goes belly up and i can't connect to some node
[08:35] <ppisati> apw: it takes some kicking
[08:36] <ppisati> apw: and then it works
[08:36] <ppisati> $omehow
[08:38] <smb> ^ Does this mean it works like the otheros or by inserting coins to run
[08:38] <apw> smb, :)
[08:39] <apw> ppisati, heh nice ... i love quality (switch it on and off 3 times and it will probabally work) h/w
[08:41] <smb> Maybe they have to put a huge blender next to it... just for some motivational benefit :)
[08:57] <apw> blendtek to the rescue
[12:17]  * henrix -> lunch
[12:49] <jsalisbury> apw, when you have a chance, can you take a look at bug 1220616 ?  It sounds like 3.11.0-4 may be missing some modules?
[12:49] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1220616 in linux (Ubuntu) "missing modules in linux-image-3.11.0-4-generic" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1220616
[12:55] <smb> jsalisbury, I think that might just be a misunderstanding and the linux-extra package
[12:57] <jsalisbury> smb, ok.  that would make sense if the lowlatency kernel didn't use a linux-extra package and -generic did.
[12:58] <smb> jsalisbury, I believe that is the case.
[12:58] <smb> A sec, lets check
[12:59] <jsalisbury> smb, yeah, it looks like the modules may be here instead: http://packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/amd64/linux-image-extra-3.11.0-4-generic/filelist
[12:59] <smb> jsalisbury, Yep and linux-lowlatency looks to be producing only headers and image
[12:59] <jsalisbury> smb, great, thanks for the help!
[13:00] <smb> no problem
[13:08] <rtg> apw, push Ubuntu-3.11.0-5.10 to master ?
[13:13] <smb> rtg, He is currently away. And are you expected to be here either?
[13:16] <rtg> smb, yep
[13:17] <smb> rtg, Hm ok, in that case maybe you want to check the calendar entry you made because I changed it according to what I thought was better than a one hour holiday
[13:18] <rtg> smb, hmm, I might have changed plans and just forgot to update the calendar. sorry.
[13:19] <smb> rtg, Meh, just the email sound longer than that and seemed to make more sense. :)
[13:19] <smb> rtg, Anyway google says apw should return online soonish
[13:20] <apw> smb, heheh move and lunch done... i am here
[13:21] <apw> rtg will do
[13:21] <apw> rtg, done
[13:40] <apw> rtg, you must remind me which of the PPAs you drop the pre-release lts backports
[13:40] <rtg> apw, I was just about to upload the saucy LTS
[13:41] <rtg> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/s-lts-backport
[13:41] <apw> rtg, i assumed you were, and that was why you noticed master being not pusjed
[13:41] <rtg> apw, gotta test build first
[13:46] <apw> great
[18:35]  * apw calls it a day
[18:37]  * rtg -> lunch
[20:08] <arges> sforshee: ping
[20:24] <Whoopie> Hi, since updating to 3.8.0-30-generic on precise, my dell laptop crashes on resume from hibernate. I could localize the culprit to be latest zram updates as removing the zram-config package fixes the crashes.
[20:25] <Whoopie> I found bug report 1215513 which also identifies zram as an issue. Could the ubuntu devs perhaps look at this issue? Thanks a lot.
[22:03]  * rtg -> EOD