[06:01] <hikiko> hi
[08:05] <pitti> Buenos días!
[08:10] <desrt> moin!
[08:11] <desrt> 'sup, pitti + hikiko?
[08:11] <hikiko> hi desrt
[08:12] <desrt> happy thursday :)
[08:13] <hikiko> happy thursday :)
[08:13]  * desrt medicates herself
[08:13] <desrt> mmm.  coffee.
[08:14] <hikiko> lol
[08:16] <pitti> hey hey desrt!
[08:16] <pitti> hello hikiko
[08:16] <hikiko> hi pitti
[08:16] <hikiko> happy thursday
[08:17] <desrt> pitti: why are you in spain?
[08:27] <seb128> hey desrt hikiko pitti
[08:27] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:28] <desrt> hey seb :)
[08:29] <hikiko> hi seb128
[09:01] <seb128> Sweet5hark, hey, bdmurray pointed you https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/3f5546617f0b197529d734bee9ae770fb485b92d as being reported only against the yakkety SRU version, could you check if you think that might be a regression?
[09:01] <seb128> hey willcooke
[09:03] <Laney> HO BOY
[09:03] <Laney> it's dark today
[09:03] <seb128> hey Laney
[09:03] <seb128> you got confused, it's 3am, go back to bed :p
[09:04] <Laney> what up seb128 OG
[09:04] <Laney> oh sounds good
[09:04] <seb128> :-)
[09:04] <pitti> bonjour seb128, 'sup seb128
[09:04] <pitti> err, Laney
[09:04] <seb128> lol
[09:04] <seb128> it's not sunny here either today
[09:04] <seb128> but less cold, which was nice for tennis yesterday
[09:04] <Laney> not just not sunny
[09:04]  * pitti appreciates the sun outside and puts on a smug face
[09:04] <Laney> there must be a lot of cloud
[09:04] <Laney> glooooooooooomy
[09:04] <tjaalton> seb128: so the mesa/gtk+ thing, was there a way to trigger it?
[09:04] <Laney> but indeed it's like 12°
[09:05] <Laney> hey pitti!
[09:05] <Laney> are you having fun at the sprint?
[09:05] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:05] <seb128> tjaalton, hey, xnox gets it building ubiquity apparently, he might be able to provide you a smaller testcase
[09:05] <flexiondotorg> Morning desktopers
[09:05] <seb128> hey davmor2 flexiondotorg
[09:05] <flexiondotorg> o/ seb128 davidcalle Laney
[09:06] <seb128> wrong d<tab> ;-)
[09:06] <flexiondotorg> Oops, davmor2 I mean. But hello to David too :-)
[09:08]  * Laney nods flexiondotorg
[09:08] <Laney> how's life?
[09:08] <Laney> tjaalton<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has a segfault, is that it?
[09:08] <tjaalton> Laney: guess so
[09:09] <Laney> then running gtk's autopkgtest with the -proposed mesa seems good
[09:10] <xnox> tjaalton, rebuild ubiquity is good enough test, and is relatively quick.
[09:10] <davidcalle> @flexiondotorg o/
[09:10] <meetingology> davidcalle: Error: "flexiondotorg" is not a valid command.
[09:10]  * davidcalle blames telegram
[09:10] <xnox> ./debian/rules tests
[09:10] <xnox> tjaalton, ^ if you want to run it interactively.
[09:11] <tjaalton> xnox, Laney: ok, I'll do that
[09:11] <seb128> tjaalton, just a guess but maybe simply try to start something gtkish under xfvb
[09:11] <tjaalton> right
[09:15] <tjaalton> xvfb-run gnome-terminal fails
[09:15] <tjaalton> so that's easy enough
[09:15] <tjaalton> to repro
[09:21] <willcooke> night TheMuso
[09:21] <willcooke> and morning all
[09:21] <flexiondotorg> Morning willcooke
[09:33] <Laney>     * amd64: python-sfepy, python-tables, python-tables-dbg, python-tables-lib, python3-tables, python3-tables-dbg, python3-tables-lib, spykeviewer, vitables
[09:33] <Laney> so close
[09:33] <Laney> hi willcooke
[10:10] <Laney> SUCCESS (848/0)
[10:12] <ricotz> morning desktopers
[10:43] <seb128> Laney, congrats!
[10:43] <seb128> hey ricotz
[10:53] <Laney> seb128: that is ignoring tests, still need to look at those
[10:55] <Sweet5hark> seb128: whoops, missed that.
[10:57] <Sweet5hark> seb128: hmm, curious: from the stats it didnt happen before, so it might be a regression ... or the update changed the stacktrace enough to make it appear as a "different" issue.
[10:59] <Sweet5hark> even more curious it has RecoveryUI::impl_doEmergencySave in the stacktrace, that is: this is during the "libreoffice crashed, do you want to recover you files" dialog.
[11:04] <Laney> the crash dialog is on fire, do you want to put it out and try to crash again?
[12:20] <muktupavels> laney, pitti: is 1637758 really fixed? I have same bug again...
[12:31] <Laney> Same bug or same symptoms?
[12:32] <Laney> loginctl shows a lightdm session staying open?
[12:32] <muktupavels> session stays open
[12:32]  * Laney shrugs
[12:32] <Laney> don't know why it would have stopped working
[12:32] <Laney> what did you update?
[12:33] <muktupavels> don't know, but it is fully updated zesty without ppas. also i dont use proposed.
[12:33] <muktupavels> restarted at least 3 times
[12:33] <Laney> check the logs?
[12:34] <muktupavels> what logs?
[12:35] <muktupavels> Also I probably did not restart at least for week so there probably was many updates.
[12:35] <muktupavels> systemd is 232-7, lightdm is 1.21.1-0ubuntu2
[12:36] <Laney> Have you tried a virtual machine to see if it happens in there?
[12:37] <muktupavels> I think that vm works, but will check now.
[12:38] <Laney> don't see it on my fully updated systems
[12:43] <muktupavels> vm works fine
[12:45] <Laney> no idea atm, sorry
[12:46] <muktupavels> I reinstalled lightdm, will try to reboot
[12:52] <muktupavels> still same problem :(
[12:56] <pitti> hm, WFM too, no immediate idea
[13:47] <om26er> pitti: Hi! Is there a way to read session environment variables like XDG_SESSION_TYPE in a autopkgtest ?
[14:00] <pitti> om26er: I'm not sure what you mean?
[14:01] <om26er> pitti: autopilot relies on XDG_SESSION_TYPE to check which session its running under. So when I run an autopilot test through autopkgtest, it fails as apparently that env variable is not available.
[14:02] <pitti> om26er: right, it's set by lightdm, and nothing logs in via lightdm there
[14:02] <pitti> om26er: your test can of course make up some value
[14:02] <pitti> om26er: I suppose you run them through Xvfb, so "x11" sounds right
[14:03] <om26er> pitti: in this case its run directly on a touch device, so 'mir'
[14:17] <muktupavels> pitti, laney: lightdm.log show that login1_service_terminate_session was called only for my second seat - seat1. It is not called for seat0 in my case.
[14:19] <muktupavels> Activating ConsoleKit session c1; Activating login1 session c2; what? why it thinks that seat0 is consolekit session?
[14:31] <muktupavels> WARNING: Session pid=1529: Error reading from session: Interrupted system call
[14:33] <muktupavels> pitti,laney: any idea why lightdm fails to get login1_session_id?
[14:59] <pitti> muktupavels: sorry, not out of my head; I have zero experience/knowledge about multi-seat I'm afraid
[15:01] <muktupavels> pitti: it might not be related to multi-seat. it looks like first season c1 fails to get login1_session_id
[15:02] <muktupavels> it is null and login1_service_terminate_session is not called
[15:27] <muktupavels> pitti, laney: for first session login1_session_id is null, but console_kit_cookie is set to c1. all other sessions created has login1_session_id set to c2, c3 and c4. console_kit_cookie for these sessions are null.
[15:31] <Laney> muktupavels: if you're debugging, I suggest you move backwards until you find out why that happens
[15:31] <muktupavels> ?
[15:37] <Laney> "?"?
[15:38] <muktupavels> what do you think with moving backwards?
[15:38] <Laney> if you found out that a variable is null when it shouldn't be, go and find out where that comes from
[15:38] <muktupavels> my problem is that for some reason lightdm fails to get session id and because of that I am affected with that bug again.
[15:38] <Laney> and then find out why that bit doesn't work
[15:38] <Laney> etc, until you find the bug
[15:39] <muktupavels> n_read = read (session->priv->from_child_output, buf, count);
[15:39] <muktupavels> that fails no idea what to do next
[15:41] <muktupavels> will reboot again
[16:16] <hikiko> lol
[16:16] <hikiko> apparently I am not for lunch 5hrs
[16:16] <hikiko> I forgot to change my status again :/
[16:16] <hikiko> :p
[16:34] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/init-system-helpers/+bug/1642966
[16:34]  * flexiondotorg just popping out for an hour of so. Back later...
[16:34] <willcooke> pitti - can you advise on who a suitable systemd expert is who might be able to help tkamppeter get moving on that ^
[16:35] <willcooke> that = bug, not flexiondotorg popping out :)
[16:49] <muktupavels> pitti, laney: https://code.launchpad.net/~albertsmuktupavels/lightdm/retry-interrupted-read/+merge/312845
[17:01] <Laney> muktupavels: lightdm turns off SA_RESTART?
[17:01] <Laney> interesting that it's so reproducible for you
[17:01] <Laney> will let robert_ancell review
[17:02] <muktupavels> I don't know, but with that patch now my session works
[17:02] <muktupavels> first reboot that worked today.
[17:04] <Laney> interesting
[17:04] <Laney> it's a difficult area
[17:04] <Laney> well done for finding it
[17:04] <muktupavels> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lightdm-team/lightdm/trunk/revision/2406
[17:04] <muktupavels> any chance that this has something to do with my problem?
[17:05] <Laney> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lightdm-team/lightdm/trunk/view/head:/src/process.c#L460
[17:06] <Laney> I would guess that it's this bit
[17:06] <xnox> tjaalton, so, from that mesa bug, are you gonna upload the patch that is proposed on that upstream bug tracker?
[17:06] <Laney> if that had SA_RESTART too it would restart the read() instead of giving EINTR
[17:06] <xnox> imho it's worth uploading that botch into zesty
[17:06] <Laney> that's my hunch --- just from reading the code / guessing
[17:06] <Laney> retrying on EINTR in this case is valid
[17:07] <Laney> assuming that putting the flag there is wrong
[17:07] <Laney> you've got something that can be reviewed now anyway
[17:07] <tjaalton> xnox: libepoxy uploaded already
[17:08] <xnox> tjaalton, cool!
[17:09] <tjaalton> 3h ago, tests are slow it seems
[17:53] <Laney> k, going to sing some christmas carols
[17:53] <Laney> o/
[17:55] <willcooke> see ya Laney
[18:30] <willcooke> dinner time, night all
[21:13] <muktupavels> robert_ancell: https://code.launchpad.net/~albertsmuktupavels/lightdm/retry-interrupted-read/+merge/312845
[21:14] <robert_ancell> muktupavels, did you think pittis suggestion was better?
[21:14] <muktupavels> I don't know.
[21:15] <robert_ancell> muktupavels, I don't know either. I was just going to trust pitti on this one :)
[21:15] <muktupavels> is there any reason why SA_RESTART was not used when that code was written?
[21:15] <robert_ancell> muktupavels, because I don't know exactly what it does
[21:16] <robert_ancell> muktupavels, did you see this code breaking or is this just precautionary?
[21:17] <muktupavels> For some reason read is interruped for me every time i start pc. because of that login1_session_id is NULL.
[21:17] <robert_ancell> ah
[21:18] <robert_ancell> muktupavels, is there a bug report to link it to?
[21:18] <muktupavels> and because that lightdm session is not terminated fully
[21:18] <muktupavels> I think no.
[21:19] <muktupavels> because of that 1637758 bug still affects me.
[21:20] <robert_ancell> muktupavels, if you could try the fix in process.c you suggested and that works, I'm happy to land it
[21:20] <muktupavels> robert_ancell: so you preffer to use SA_RESTART? do you need new/updated merge proposal or you will just push that yourself.
[21:21] <muktupavels> ok, will test that first
[21:21] <robert_ancell> muktupavels, If you can make the MP that would be great. Since I haven't reproduced it here it would be better if you can say it works.
[21:22]  * robert_ancell hates Unix signals...
[21:23] <robert_ancell> RAOF, are you familiar with xkbcomp at all?
[21:33] <muktupavels> robert_ancell: seems to work, branch updated.
[21:33] <robert_ancell> muktupavels, thanks
[21:34] <robert_ancell> muktupavels, can you link to that bug so we can SRU it?
[21:34] <muktupavels> what bug?
[21:35] <muktupavels> or you want that I create new bug for this?
[21:36] <robert_ancell> muktupavels, if there's not one please create one, yes
[21:47] <muktupavels> robert_ancell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm/+bug/1648637


[06:06] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[06:12] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[06:18] <brobostigon> o/
[06:58] <Knight_Wrk>  good morning peepz
[07:00] <brobostigon> morning
[07:02] <Knight_Wrk> how you guys doing today
[07:03] <brobostigon> doing government paperwork, :(
[09:14] <daftykins> \o
[09:37] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[09:38] <daftykins> currently playing the waiting game to see what clients pick after a failed hard disk was discovered :)
[09:38] <daftykins> how are you doing this morning, zmoylan-pi ?
[09:54] <zmoylan-pi> trying to decide wether to go to nearby town that's now 'accessible' as light rail is only an hours walk away compared to 2 hours away by bus...
[10:01] <daftykins> ooh, upgrades! new station eh?
[10:03] <zmoylan-pi> they're extending the network and even joining it up in city centre... we can now travel by tram a tiny fraction of the routes we could in the 50s! what an age we live in! :-P
[10:04] <zmoylan-pi> maybe electric buses will make them obsolete in a few years this time....
[10:05] <daftykins> trams O_O
[10:06] <zmoylan-pi> i think they prefer to be called light rail as it sounds posher or something
[10:07] <daftykins> there used to be one up and down the seafront here, but well before my time
[10:08] <zmoylan-pi> on roads around my home in the 70s i had to learn to ride a bike on roads with rails still in the ground even though it had been 20+ years since trams had used them
[10:08] <zmoylan-pi> if they had waited another 20 years they could have used them again :-)
[10:09] <daftykins> :D
[10:09] <daftykins> when i was at Uni in Portsmouth there was one road with them still in, with cobbles everywhere else - made a nice smooth ride if you got the tires aligned
[10:10] <daftykins> https://goo.gl/maps/GcTPV548YaJ2 there it is!
[10:12] <daftykins> ah would've made a lot more sense to zoom into street view, keep forgetting since down here our gov banned google from sharing that
[10:13] <zmoylan-pi> wait till some bugger finds a way to index all photos on the web so you can flip along peoples personal pics as a poor mans streetview :-)
[10:14] <daftykins> :D
[10:21] <zmoylan-pi> bonus points when you can view it in vr and dial back the dates on pics used...
[12:49] <diplo> exMorning all
[12:49] <diplo> Ooer
[12:50] <diplo> Any of you guys use Nagios ?
[13:46] <daftykins> newp
[16:43] <diddledan> boo bees
[16:46] <daftykins> are they attacking you?
[16:46] <daftykins> almost time for WWDC!
[16:47] <diddledan> stream's started https://www.apple.com/apple-events/june-2018/
[16:47] <daftykins> stream just started
[16:47] <daftykins> :D
[17:09] <diddledan> it works in firefox and chrome!?! :-o
[17:09] <diddledan> (the stream does, I mean)
[17:10] <daftykins> does it?
[17:10] <diddledan> "all about software"?
[17:10] <diddledan> no hardwares!
[17:10] <daftykins> indeed
[17:14] <daftykins> diddledan: do you think they have a sign held up / light on to ask for the applause?
[17:14] <diddledan> it does seem that he waits for applause
[17:15] <zmoylan-pi> more like the soviet union when stalin rang a bell when it was safe to stop clapping...
[17:15] <daftykins> ...er they don't slowly ramp up :P
[17:16] <diddledan> I don't understand the hype of augmented reality with a handheld screen
[17:17] <daftykins> i didn't see much of an appeal at all until a mate who is an aircraft engineer mentioned it'd be neat to wave a device over some cables in a plane and see what they are
[17:17] <zmoylan-pi> apple glasses will be an empty pair of glasses that holds iphone in front of face... tada... vr and ar...
[17:18] <diddledan> isn;t that googley cardboards?
[17:24] <diddledan> that game actually doesn't look that bad
[17:25] <daftykins> *cough* gimmick
[17:25] <diddledan> well yeah
[17:25] <DJones> What are they trying to pretend is an essential "life product" when in reality its just a piece of bent plastic with a couple of wires attached, that doesnt actually serve any useful purpose
[17:28] <daftykins> right now a guy from Lego is suggesting you pacify your kids by spending hundreds :)
[17:29] <diddledan> the whole point of lego used to be to build your own things. these days they seem to be entirely focused on "build our things dammit!"
[17:30] <diddledan> it's all about the predesigned models preventing the imagination and creativity that they claim to support
[17:31] <daftykins> here come the extremely specific use cases
[17:32] <daftykins> everyone knows pics are taken, not looked at :D
[17:33] <diddledan> most used, and least accurate/useful, assistant
[17:35] <daftykins> that wasn't his gran!
[17:35] <daftykins> ;D
[17:39] <daftykins> who lives like that?
[17:40] <zmoylan-pi> you're living wrong... :-)
[17:41] <daftykins> hehe
[17:41] <diddledan> "fun"
[17:42] <diddledan> how many people actually use that stocks thing?
[17:43] <daftykins> iirc it used to be a default home screen widget many moons ago?
[17:43] <daftykins> could quite easily have changed
[17:43] <diddledan> and when was the last time you recorded a message for yourself rather than writing it
[17:44] <zmoylan-pi> in america a lot of people have stocks in leiu of pensions
[17:48] <daftykins> wow they only just developed grouped notifications for the home screen?
[17:48] <daftykins> did i follow that right?
[17:48] <diddledan> yes
[17:48] <daftykins> O_O
[17:48] <zmoylan-pi> having all your notifications on your iwatch is grouped! :-)
[17:49] <daftykins> hehe
[17:51] <daftykins> Craig nearly had a kernel panic
[17:51] <diddledan> :-p
[17:51] <diddledan> he's nearly BSODded
[17:52] <diddledan> keeps on stuttering
[17:52] <daftykins> droppin' frames
[17:52] <diddledan> ooh tongues
[17:52] <daftykins> that looks like the spectre ghost
[18:03] <daftykins> so impatient these Apple employees, they can never 'wait' to do things ;)
[18:03] <diddledan> I can't wait
[18:03] <daftykins> there it is again!
[18:07] <daftykins> diddledan: close your ring
[18:26] <diddledan> they gonna do 5k this year?
[18:27] <daftykins> ;) not a thing in AV of course
[18:28] <diddledan> for free!
[18:30] <daftykins> here comes TV SSO
[18:31] <diddledan> yup
[18:31] <daftykins> oh ok
[18:31] <diddledan> well spooted
[18:31] <diddledan> wha?
[18:31] <diddledan> zero signon?
[18:32] <daftykins> doesn't really make a lot of sense, because just being on the same connection surely doesn't prove what you're subscribed to
[18:32] <daftykins> ah well, 'murican only
[18:33] <diddledan> areoles?
[18:33] <diddledan> is it appropriate and family friendly to be sharing high definition areolas
[18:38] <daftykins> mojave, that's right... 'cause like things in the desert, the changes are hard to find
[18:38] <daftykins> :>
[19:09] <daftykins> APFS finally supports Fusion
[19:09] <daftykins> breakage of iMacs beginning in 5...4...
[19:10] <diddledan> haha
[19:11]  * diddledan preps his developer beta signon
 devs are weirdos
[19:17] <diddledan> I can go pee now
[19:17] <zmoylan-pi> you bought the ipee? :-)
[19:28] <diddledan> iPee freely
[19:29] <daftykins> that Aussie firm got a cease and desist for the "iPood" ;)
[19:30] <diddledan> I don't remember that
[19:31] <daftykins> allow me - https://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/22/ipood/
[19:38] <diddledan> wow, 2010
[19:38] <diddledan> that's a while ago now. I feel old :-(
[19:39] <zmoylan-pi> it was a simpler time... when we all patiently awaited linux on the desktop...
[19:40] <diddledan> did linux ever get to the desktop?
[19:41] <mgdm> it got to the smartphone, there are more of those than desktops, I'm fairly sure
[19:42] <zmoylan-pi> that was the year i decommisioned my mac and got a netbook running linux as my main system
[19:48] <daftykins> but isn't the Linux user ethos to feel smugly superior for being open? ;)
[19:48] <daftykins> and given as smartphones aren't so open, it must not be a win


[07:04] <advizor> hi all
[16:01] <robbiew> hi all...platform managers meeting running over a bit
[16:02]  * slangasek waves and nods
[16:02] <evand> hi
[16:03] <liw> heippa
[16:04] <cjwatson> agenda-wise, I think all that either Robbie or I have is an opportunity for people to discuss UDS planning in progress, which doesn't necessarily justify a meeting; does anyone have other business that would make it worth saying #startmeeting? :-)
[16:04] <robbiew> :)
[16:05] <cjwatson> merges seem to be going respectably well
[16:05] <cjwatson> though if anyone feels they need help there, they should shout ...
[16:05] <liw> is there anything in particular we should prepare for fosscamp?
[16:06] <cjwatson> fosscamp is pretty much what you make of it
[16:06] <cjwatson> if there's anything you want to discuss with the wider development community there, you'd be well advised to prepare in advance and be ready to grab timetable slots early
[16:06] <cjwatson> but nothing *in particular* as such ...
[16:07]  * robbiew is all for skipping unnecessary meetings
[16:07] <evand> (When we're done talking about FOSSCamp, does anyone have an Intel Mac and a USB disk that they can overwrite?)
[16:07] <robbiew> off the call
[16:08] <robbiew> sorry...only PPC Mac here
[16:08] <cjwatson> evand: yes, if I can prise it out of my wife's clutches
[16:08] <liw> I have nothing further about fosscamp at this point
[16:09] <evand> cjwatson: I would greatly appreciate a test of a USB creator generated image with it
[16:09] <evand> just booting
[16:09] <cjwatson> sure
[16:09] <evand> I suspect it will fail miserably, but am writing documentation for the store and want to be sure
[16:09] <evand> thanks!
[16:11] <robbiew> anything else?
[16:11]  * robbiew applies the 10 second rule
[16:12] <robbiew> guess not...meeting over :)
[16:12] <robbiew> next time I will have a formal agenda...sorry guys
[16:12] <cjwatson> yep, all sounds quiet this week; hope that just means everyone is busy with jaunty :-)
[16:14] <liw> bah, now I put on a tie for this meeting, for nothing
[16:14] <slangasek> :)
[16:15] <robbiew> lol
[16:59] <ara> hello!
[17:00] <pedro_> hello everybody!
[17:00] <bdmurray> hi
[17:01]  * cgregan waves
[17:01] <heno> hey!
[17:03] <heno> bdmurray, pedro_, sbeattie: around?
[17:03] <pedro_> yes
[17:04] <bdmurray> yep
[17:05] <sbeattie> I'm here, sorry; was getting caffienated.
[17:05] <heno> ara: here?
[17:05] <ara> heno: here!
[17:05] <heno> ogasawara will be late and schwuk is travelling
[17:06] <heno> stgraber is at lunch I guess :)
[17:06] <heno> #startmeeting
[17:06] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:06. The chair is heno.
[17:06] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:06] <heno> agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings
[17:06] <heno> just one item so far
[17:07] <heno> [TOPIC] UDS attendees
[17:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  UDS attendees
[17:07] <heno> There are QA members attending not in the public list yet. If you're attending the UDS, please add yourself to the public list of attendees at UDSJaunty/Attendees and LP at https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-jaunty
[17:07] <pedro_> nice to see mrooney on the list of attendees ;-)
[17:07] <stgraber> heno: yeah, I'll leave for lunch very soon
[17:08] <ara> well, the item is self-explanatory
[17:08] <heno> So if you're attending and not listed, please add yourself
[17:09] <heno> [TOPIC] testing mini-sprint report
[17:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  testing mini-sprint report
[17:09] <heno> I can give a brief report of that
[17:10] <heno> schwuk came down for two days of discussion (just left) where we had some pre-UDS talks around testing
[17:11] <heno> we talked about extensions to the checkbox tool, the hardware database, ISO mirrors and such
[17:11] <heno> we'll write that up and start on some spec topics
[17:12] <heno> ogasawara and bdmurray: I believe you are sprinting too - how is that going?
[17:12] <ogasawara> heno: we are just getting started
[17:13] <cr3> heno: how will those specs concern the community?
[17:13] <bdmurray> heno: it's going well
[17:13] <heno> cr3: yes
[17:13] <cr3> heno: when you say "hardware database", do you mean Launchpad?
[17:14] <heno> cr3: right. Abel reported on progress on Monday's QA/LP call
[17:14] <cr3> heno: heh, "how will those..."
[17:15] <heno> cr3: anything that goes into Ubuntu affects the community ...
[17:15] <heno> we are the community :)
[17:16] <heno> we talked about certification too but that's a bit off-topic here
[17:16] <cr3> heno: exactly, just checking
[17:16] <cr3> heno: is there a roadmap for Launchpad publicly available? is the hardware database on that roadmap?
[17:16] <heno> ok. any other topics?
[17:17] <heno> We should go through a list of UDS topic ideas at next weeks meeting
[17:18] <heno> we usually track them here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Specs
[17:18] <bdmurray> where is the list of ideas again?
[17:18] <ara> heno, I'll be on holiday. I will try to add ideas, before I leave, to the IdeasPool wiki page that schwuk provided
[17:19] <ara> bdmurray: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/IdeaPool
[17:19] <heno> thanks ara
[17:19] <bdmurray> ara: thanks
[17:19] <heno> any other business?
[17:20] <cgregan> I have an item
[17:20] <sbeattie> SRU testing; we made some progress on hardy SRUs, but there's still more that needs to be done
[17:20] <sbeattie> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html
[17:20] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html
[17:20] <sbeattie> cgregan: go ahead
[17:20] <cgregan> I just posted to the QA mailing list a call for testing on Dell Mini 9. If you could help spread the word to groups outside of the QA mailing list that would be great
[17:21] <bdmurray> sbeattie: is there anyway to associate pending sru's with qa-regression-test tests?
[17:21] <ara> cgregan: the hw program is a great way to motivate people ;-)
[17:22] <cgregan> ara: yes...that will require some resources from Dell to agree, but we are working on it
[17:24] <pedro_> cgregan: perhaps, blog about it on planet? it'd have more audience
[17:24] <cgregan> pedro_: yes...bdmurray just suggested that here as well.....will do
[17:24] <heno> cgregan: ok, we'll see how that goes - scaling this to multiple devices will be interesting
[17:24] <sbeattie> bdmurray: do you mean identifying which packages with an sru pending that also have tests in qa-regression-test or correlating srus with specific testcases in the test suite? Neither are done now (usually) but both are good ideas.
[17:24] <cgregan> heno: I agree
[17:25] <cgregan> heno: and a bit scary ;-)
[17:25] <bdmurray> sbeattie: I was thinking about the former as a reminder to people that they exist and should be run.
[17:26] <heno> on SRUs> I intended to participate more in the testing day than I managed to
[17:26] <heno> sbeattie: did it pick up at all later in the day?
[17:26] <sbeattie> heno: I think that's true of a lot of people.
[17:26] <sbeattie> heno: not that I saw
[17:28] <heno> perhaps a general call is not focused enough - perhaps we should blog about a few items that need testing
[17:28] <sbeattie> though people may have been busy testing and not chattering on #ubuntu-testing; a fair number have gotten processed.
[17:29] <ara> heno, sbeattie: it was announced with less than a week of advance
[17:30] <ara> heno, sbeattie: and testing days are not yet popular, that people are actually waiting for them
[17:30] <heno> true
[17:30] <sbeattie> ara: BTW, thanks for both setting up the wiki page for it and for blogging about it.
[17:31] <ara> sbeattie: np :-)
[17:31] <heno> sbeattie: how was the openweek session?
[17:31] <heno> any interest there?
[17:32] <heno> perhaps it's worth blogging the walk-through of a few individual verifications?
[17:32] <sbeattie> hard to gauge; didn't get much in the way of questions, so perhaps not.
[17:33] <sbeattie> heno: yeah, either blogging it or detailing a walkthrough on a wiki page.
[17:33] <sbeattie> another option would be to do it in a screencapture and then post a movie somewhere.
[17:33] <bdmurray> sbeattie: maybe listing done sru's somewhere and acknowledging the verifier would help
[17:34] <heno> sbeattie: ok, let's talk about those options on Friday
[17:34] <heno> any other items?
[17:34] <sbeattie> bdmurray: yeah! that's an excellent point, though a bit tricky to strictly identify the verifier (since it's usually just reported via a free-form comment)
[17:36] <bdmurray> sbeattie: yeah, I was just thinking about how to identify verifiers
[17:37] <heno> We had an LP skype call on Monday where stgraber participated - we would love to have more people from the community along next time!
[17:38] <sbeattie> cgregan: one of the questions I did get after the openweek session was about a lack of progress in SRUs/updates for dell mini 9 users.
[17:38] <heno> please sign up here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/LaunchpadBugsUbuntuQAMeeting
[17:38] <heno> ok, let's wrap up
[17:38] <cgregan> sbeattie: intersting....can you email me a synopsis?
[17:38] <heno> thanks everyone!
[17:39] <heno> #endmeeting
[17:39] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:39.
[17:39] <ara> thanks, bye!
[18:14] <BB-wolf> did I miss the meeting?
[18:31] <bdmurray> BB-wolf: the qa team one yes
[22:03] <doko> platform?
[23:25] <emgent> @schedule
[23:25] <emgent> @schedule rome