[12:16] <matteo> hi all
[12:16] <matteo> i have ubuntu, and using firefox
[12:17] <matteo> many pages with java is much faster under windows than under linux.. do u know why ?
[12:44] <man-di> no patience, these kids today
[20:23] <tmarble> doko: ping
[21:45] <doko> tmarble: pong
[21:46] <tmarble> doko: i am in a meeting atm to discuss icedtea/openjdk in hardy
[21:46] <doko> ahh, interesting =)
[21:46] <tmarble> if nothing else changes... would you put icedtea in main?
[23:50] <PeterT> Hello.  I'm having trouble getting the java plugin to work in firefox.


[02:22] <diddledan_> does anyone know of any write-up as to the thinking behind ubuntu moving to qt?
[02:23] <diddledan_> i.e. for unity8
[02:23] <diddledan_> and phone/converged apps
[02:27] <zmoylan-pi> well qt has a long history of been solid and reliable, no?
[02:27] <diddledan_> well yes, but I want a more thought-out answer than that :-p
[02:27] <zmoylan-pi> ok.... just because :-)
[02:28] <diddledan_> hence why I asked for a write-up that I can study :-)
[02:29] <diddledan_> ideally I'd like a breakdown as to what qt provides that "insert random toolkit here" doesn't
[02:29] <zmoylan-pi> is there ever a well explained reason for the decisions made by ubuntu team?
[02:29] <diddledan_> lol
[02:30] <diddledan_> I'm wondering if it's a simple as licensing
[02:31] <xnox> diddledan_, at the time, qt/qml was the only touch friendly and resolution independant toolkit.
[02:32] <xnox> in to some degree remains as such.
[02:32] <diddledan_> hmm
[02:32] <xnox> jolla uses it too
[02:32] <xnox> ditto webOS
[02:35] <diddledan_> is the units.gu thingy in qml an ubuntuism?
[02:35] <diddledan_> I can't find very much info about it
[02:36] <diddledan_> other than ubuntu guides saying "use gu"
[02:37] <diddledan_> I guess I should join #ubuntu-app-dev
[02:37] <diddledan_> (or is there an S on app?)
[02:37]  * diddledan_ runs /list
[02:39] <diddledan_> hmm, neither?
[02:39] <diddledan_> where's that gone?
[02:43] <xnox> gu - is a fixed, resolution independant unit, which relates to the ubuntu grid & app layout & text/font.
[02:44] <xnox> unlike all other mobile platforms, ubuntu phones actually have a regular sized and consistent everything.
[02:44] <diddledan_> aha
[02:44] <diddledan_> danke
[03:22] <diddledan_> hmm. ubuntu sdk seems to dislike ecryptfs encrypted home directory
[03:22] <diddledan_> keeps unmounting it
[03:23] <diddledan_> it might be click rather than the ide itsel
[03:23] <diddledan_> itself
[03:51] <m0nkey_> diddledan_, your plex broke. tried to watch Ep4.
[08:08] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:05] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:10] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:16] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy birthday to UNICEF! 😃
[10:24] <MooDoo> morning james
[10:24] <MooDoo> morning JamesTait
[10:26] <JamesTait> 👋 MooDoo
[10:32] <MooDoo> :)
[10:42] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:59] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon hope you're well
[11:00] <brobostigon> MooDoo: other than my eczema, not bad, and you?
[11:00] <davmor2> JamesTait: so still not the uk bans trump day 515,299 and counting
[11:02] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TlFjZXcZro
[11:05] <MooDoo> brobostigon: yeah ok thanks, glad it's friday
[11:06] <brobostigon> :)
[11:46] <davmor2> MooDoo: You're only glad it's friday because it means it is nearly Monday again admit it you workaholic ;)
[11:53] <MooDoo> davmor2: I've a weekend helping looking after 10/15 beaver scouts, so roll on monday
[11:54] <davmor2> MooDoo: see I know you too well, I know you love Mondays ;)
[11:54] <MooDoo> It's a nother day :)
[12:29] <daftykins> hi all o/
[12:56] <MooDoo> howdy daftykins
[12:57] <daftykins> aaah solid rain here on the rock
[12:57] <davmor2> so it official twice as many people are opposed to trump coming into the country as they accepting more immigrants I think that says a lot really
[12:58] <foobarry> it says that twitter liberals are not in fact liberal
[13:17] <ali1234> but we already knew that
[13:19] <ali1234> they're not exclusively on twitter either
[13:54] <MooDoo> 4 months off being a 10 year registered on launchpad user :)
[13:54] <MooDoo> is there a group for that? lol
[13:56] <davmor2> MooDoo: 2005-09-12 is when I joined LP
[13:59] <MooDoo> nice i suspect a lot of us oldies are around 05/06
[14:02] <bashrc_> member since 2007. I havn't done much in LP for a while, being mostly a git user
[14:02] <davmor2> MooDoo: yeah not sure when LP was actually opened
[14:19] <diddledan_> merry christmas - my boss doesn't have enough work longterm so he's told me to start looking for work elsewhere
[14:19] <diddledan_> \o/
[14:20]  * diddledan_ goes "proper" freelance
[14:21] <davmor2> diddledan_: that or he means you're fired ;)
[14:21] <MooDoo> diddledan_: well that sucks :(
[14:22] <diddledan_> MooDoo: ho hum :-/
[14:22] <davmor2> diddledan_: chin up chap at least you are good enough to get some more work fairly quickly
[14:23] <SuperEngineer> diddledan, I hear this bloke Trump will be available for work soon...
[14:23] <SuperEngineer> maybe you could use Trump Employment Services [guarenteed open minded thinking]
[14:23] <diddledan_> lol
[14:23] <diddledan_> is it called that because I trump everyone else and win the job by "de fault"
[14:24] <SuperEngineer> derrr...
[14:24] <diddledan_> my favourite two words, those, de fault
[14:24] <diddledan_> I like when people say "well I guess you win by de fault"
[14:25] <diddledan_> ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhvIISDoarU
[14:25] <SuperEngineer> poor ol De Fault, always getting the blame!
[14:53] <zmoylan-pi> no no de blame gets de blame...
[15:18] <davmor2> and everyone fires at Will he's the one we should really feel sorry for
[15:18] <MooDoo> lol
[15:27] <bashrc_> diddledan_: that sounds like bad news
[15:43] <davmor2> bashrc_: no that's the wrong view on life, it means he has the potential to make more money \o/
[15:51] <bashrc_> well perhaps, depends how it goes
[15:54] <davmor2> bashrc_: again with the pessimism, way to bolster diddledan_ confidence :P
[15:56] <zmoylan-pi> always with the negative waves moriarity... :-)
[15:57] <SuperEngineer> Can you drive diddledan?  I know a few people looking for a driver for some "one off jobs, ability to drive at speed preferred, ability to keep secrets afterwards essential"
[15:59] <SuperEngineer> ..& yes, you guessed... it's being a chauffeur for FIFA president!  ;-)
[16:02] <diddledan_> I can't drive :-(
[16:03] <SuperEngineer> that could be a "slight" problem ;-)
[16:03] <davmor2> diddledan_: can you rikshaw at speed?
[16:04] <SuperEngineer> lol
[16:04] <Myrtti> I'm sure Blatter wouldn't notice the missing attributes if you shove a bit of money his way
[16:04] <SuperEngineer> lol x 2
[16:04] <Myrtti> learn on the job and all that
[16:05] <Myrtti> after a while you'll be rolling in money
[16:05] <diddledan_> isn't the money supposed to be flowing into my pockets, not the other way about?!
[16:05] <Myrtti> a bit of investment is needed first
[16:05] <davmor2> diddledan_: you can syphon more off the payouts than you'll lose initially ;)
[16:06] <Myrtti> you can start by sending some to SuperEngineer's account, for his expenses you know, after that you'll get your job and profit
[16:06] <SuperEngineer> Myrtti, definitely agrred on *your* plan!
[16:08] <Myrtti> GREETINGS MR.   I was thinking more along the lines of making people feel good.  There was nothing else on my mind whatsover
[16:10] <SuperEngineer> except for finding a cure for my nose... which is growing longer as I speak
[16:11] <zmoylan-pi> that's a lie...
[16:11] <zmoylan-pi> oh wait...
[16:18] <SuperEngineer> :-)
[16:28] <SuperEngineer> Anybody here follow Bad Voltage?  It seems to be in a "spot of bother" at the mo... all links failing!
[16:29] <bittin_US> i do
[16:35] <SuperEngineer> bittin_US, can you contact a podcast feed at all?  id web site slow/stopped for you?
[16:35] <SuperEngineer> *is
[16:35] <bittin_US> havent checked busy with other stuff atm
[16:36] <SuperEngineer> tut tut ;-)
[17:06] <Myrtti> https://imgur.com/gallery/TrN2oW9
[17:09]  * zmoylan-pi suspects it's better without sound... :-)
[17:10] <Myrtti> he's pretty good tho
[17:10] <Myrtti> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Hietala
[17:16] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: newp ;x
[17:17] <daftykins> it just becomes a mystery!
[21:24] <m0nkey_> Evening all
[23:42] <diddledan_> css and javascript in the same file?! http://codepen.io/geelen/pen/VLbpXw


[00:43] <rethsa> hi everyone
[00:43] <rethsa> i am newbie
[00:45] <M0hi> Hi
[00:47] <rethsa> i am new with ubuntu
[00:48] <M0hi> Welcome to the community. Do you need any help?
[00:48] <rethsa> ya, i am new with ubuntu
[00:48] <rethsa> i dono where to start learning
[00:49] <rethsa> can u link me a path ?
[00:49] <M0hi> rethsa, So, the first questiiion will be, "what is your purpose of using Ubuntu?" and depending to your answer, I ll guide you
[00:53] <rethsa> i want to leant about security
[00:53] <M0hi> Okay. Then first you can start will the basic terminal commands
[00:54] <M0hi> then, have a look at bodhizazen.net where you can find some useful tutorials
[00:59] <rethsa> basic terminal command?
[01:10] <rethsa> ok, i go try it 1st
[01:10] <rethsa> thx
[01:13] <MavJS> rethsa: some of these might come in handy - http://www.unixmen.com/linux-command/linux-command-for-beginners.html
[01:43] <rethsa> ok, thanks
[01:43] <rethsa> ^^ brb
[02:11] <zkriesse_> Allo all :)
[02:54] <hilarie> This seems like the right place... Does anyone know of a FTP client with a web gui that I could use on a ubuntu headless server?
[02:54] <zkriesse_> Just trying to connect or?
[02:55] <hilarie> I would like to be able to connect to my seedbox from my ubuntu headless server and download complete files
[02:55] <zkriesse_> Ah...
[02:55] <zkriesse_> Well, fireftp in Firefox is nice
[02:55] <zkriesse_> It's an addon
[02:56] <zkriesse_> Seems that'd work for us
[02:56] <zkriesse_> "ya"
[02:57] <hilarie> from a headless server?
[02:57] <zkriesse_> It's a web addon... You said web GUI
[02:58] <zkriesse_> I can't think of anything else... Somewhat limited knowledge right now on server things
[02:58] <hilarie> hehe, I am still working on trying to install the server :)
[03:00] <zkriesse_> Ah good, so we're both behind... Now I don't feel so stupid ATM :P
[06:03] <garden92> how do you open a bin file?
[06:03] <hilarie> sh FINENAME.bin iirc
[06:04] <hilarie> or run FILENAME.bin
[06:04] <hilarie> or the GUI way is to right click it, go to permissions tab, make it executeable, then double click
[06:23] <philipballew> to make it excatuable chmod +x it
[06:28] <garden92> thanks
[07:41] <MVanDruff> so I gotta know is there a way to resize my Ubuntu partition
[10:06] <Pobbel> Hi all,  I have a broken 11.10 install.  Dual HDD, 64 bit laptop.  Windows on sda (preserved as is during install),  ubuntu on sdb along with grub. Selecting sda from boot options in BIOS, boots Windows as expected.  Selecting sdb to boot, boots grub okay.  Choosing Windows from grub menu works fine.  Choosing ubuntu from grub menu fails, leaving me at BusyBox with (initramfs) prompt.
[10:08] <Pobbel> I selected 32bit download for 64bit machine as it was recommended.  This should be okay shouldn't it?
[10:10] <Pobbel> Any ideas?
[10:18] <geirha> Yes. Would help to see an error message. There should be one just before you get dropped into busybox. If you don't see it, try typing "exit" in the busybox shell.
[10:25] <Pobbel> yep exit from busybox - kernel panic....  dont get much time to view log before shutdown,  will retry
[10:28] <Pobbel> PID: 1, comm: init Not tainted....    (shutdown, going again)  any idea how to view log from busybox?
[10:29] <Pobbel> or pause it?  pause function key does not help
[10:34] <geirha> Maybe Ctrl+S (Ctrl+Q to resume), but I'm not sure if that'll be read that early.
[10:44] <Pobbel> got some photos coming
[10:45] <geirha> trusty 'ol photons :)
 Error after boot prior to shutdown http://ircshare.com/i/H
 grub menu http://ircshare.com/i/I
[10:52] <geirha> Pobbel: Hm. I don't see any messages explaining why it's failing there. :/
[10:52] <geirha> Pobbel: In the grub menu, try one of the previous linux versions
[10:52] <geirha> See if any of those will boot.
 grub script for ubuntu boot http://ircshare.com/i/J
[10:55] <Pobbel> Previous linux versions are the same, and also fail.
[10:56] <Pobbel> Is there a log file that I might be able to dig up with the live CD?
[10:57] <Pobbel> or busybox?  or is it not getting far enough i.e linux kernel is not even loading?
[11:03] <Pobbel> Got a lot more info streaming up on the screen using recovery mode,  will send a pic....
 output when using recovery mode (last few lines anyway) >  http://ircshare.com/i/K
[11:10] <Pobbel> geirha: The last pic has some errors that may be shed some light on the issue :)
[11:10] <geirha> Aye, seems the filesystem on sdb1 may be corrupt.
[11:11] <geirha> I'd boot the Ubuntu CD and run  sudo fsck /dev/sdb1
[11:12] <Pobbel> Okay will do,  cheers
[11:24] <Pobbel> geirha:  Found lots of errors.  Just selection fix for all.  Why would I have so many errors after a fresh partition and install?
[11:25] <geirha> I don't know. I haven't encountered that myself.
[11:25] <geirha> Perhaps the hdd is failing or is defect
[11:26] <Pobbel> I recon I have press the "y" key over a hundred times and still going
[11:27] <Pobbel> I might run gparted and start again.  Thoughts?
[11:27] <geirha> That might be the easiest solution, yes.
[11:28] <Pobbel> Yeah might bite the bullet and do that.  Thanks for your help.
[11:33] <Pobbel> Is there a way to check the integrity of the Install CD?  I seem to remember an option in previous installers.
[11:41] <geirha> Pobbel: Yeah, it should still be there. You have to hit a button just as it starts booting (when there's a purple screen with only a keyboard+human icon)
[11:44] <Pobbel> Thanks
[11:45] <geirha> If you have a USB pen with >2GB free space, I find that to be less error prone.
[12:10] <andrew_46> RexHerudae: Bit quieter here than #ubuntu :)
[12:13] <RexHerudae> Hello, sorry I'm waking up mykids to go to school but I'll come back in a hour
[12:14]  * andrew_46 may be asleep by then ---> southern hemisphere rulz :)
[12:18] <nlsthzn_> South vs Norht hasn't got much todo with your time zone ;)
[12:18] <nlsthzn_> *north
[12:18] <andrew_46> nlsthzn_: I stand corrected :)
[12:19] <nlsthzn_> :p
[12:19] <nlsthzn_> andrew_46: which country are you? Aus?
[12:19] <andrew_46> nlsthzn_: yep, and you?
[12:19] <nlsthzn_> Oh, in the UAE at the moment :)
[13:25] <RexHerudae> Hello again
[13:29] <RexHerudae> I'm new with Linux and started with Ubuntu 11.10, I installed it in my PC (Core2Duo 2Ghz, 512Mb Ram DDR2, integrated video in Motherboard), I know the requirements for Unity are 1Gb Ram so I decided to download a Desktop environment more lightweight, so I Installed LXDE, it loads very fast, compared to the 3.5 min from login screen to open desktop in Unity, but it freezes every time
[13:29] <RexHerudae> I open a single program, I can't even navigate in Internet, it freezes, sometimes for a pair of minutes and the graph at bottom right is all green as if iyt were using 100% CPU, it happens with every program
[15:13] <RexHerudae> I'm thinking about uninstalling Ubuntu but I'll try to deplete the options, thanks for your support.
[15:13] <RexHerudae> I'm new with Linux and started with Ubuntu 11.10, I installed it in my PC (Core2Duo 2Ghz, 512Mb Ram DDR2, integrated video in Motherboard), I know the requirements for Unity are 1Gb Ram so I decided to download a Desktop environment more lightweight, so I Installed LXDE, it loads very fast, compared to the 3.5 min from login screen to open desktop in Unity, but it freezes every time
[15:13] <RexHerudae> I open a single program, I can't even navigate in Internet, it freezes, sometimes for a pair of minutes and the graph at bottom right is all green as if iyt were using 100% CPU, it happens with every program
[15:15] <hobgoblin> are you already talking to someone RexHerudae ?
[15:15] <geirha> Tough problem. My first guess would be the graphics driver
[15:16] <hobgoblin> aah - guess you are :) - that would be first guess too - though from what the specs look like they should be more than enough for xfce or lxde
[15:16]  * hobgoblin further guesses at ati
[15:21] <geirha> Ctrl+Alt+F1 -> log in -> run:  lspci | grep -i vga
[22:19] <ibuclaw> evenin;


[06:57] <netrunner_> Hi
[06:58] <netrunner_> Anyone active here, need to ask some stuff about installing edubuntu in a lab?
[06:58] <highvoltage> hi netrunner_
[06:58] <netrunner_> highvoltage: Hi brother
[06:59] <netrunner_> It is me kamil
[06:59] <highvoltage> hi, welcome back
[06:59] <netrunner_> So yesterday I installed Edubuntu on one of the systems in my lab
[06:59] <highvoltage> yeah you said you had a problem setting up ltsp but found the problem?
[06:59] <netrunner_> in installer I selected ltsp with gnome fallback(so that it works netter)
[06:59] <netrunner_> better*
[07:00] <netrunner_> All the systems in the lab have only 1 nic
[07:00] <netrunner_> can I get ltsp working?
[07:00] <highvoltage> yep
[07:00] <netrunner_> How?
[07:00] <highvoltage> in the installer you can select the one nic you have while installing LTSP
[07:00] <netrunner_> Did that
[07:00] <highvoltage> it might warn that it's in use
[07:00] <highvoltage> but you can continue still
[07:01] <highvoltage> netrunner_: and then? didn't it get configured?
[07:01] <netrunner_> No
[07:01] <netrunner_> I skipped in Installation
[07:01] <netrunner_> could that be the reason
[07:02] <netrunner_> When I selected other machines to boot from lan
[07:02] <netrunner_> it will not pick the the image
[07:03] <highvoltage> hmm, not sure what you mean.
[07:03] <netrunner_> I mean the installation fionished
[07:04] <netrunner_> I booted the edubuntu installation
[07:04] <netrunner_> booted fine, logged in
[07:04] <netrunner_> then I booted the other systems in lab and set it to boot from lan
[07:04] <netrunner_> they should work right?
[07:05] <netrunner_> Cause in ltsp--live they worked like that, I started ltsp-live, booted other lab systems and they showed edubuntu login screen
[07:06] <highvoltage> ah right
[07:06] <highvoltage> so when you install edubuntu, there's an option that you have to enable to get LTSP installed on the edubuntu system
[07:07] <highvoltage> this one: http://edubuntu.org/sites/default/files/docimages/install-precise/030-edubuntu-options-oneiric.png
[07:07] <highvoltage> so you have to tick the "Install" checkbox there for it to work
[07:07] <netrunner_> Bro I did that
[07:07] <highvoltage> ok
[07:07] <highvoltage> so, what I'd suggest is
[07:07] <highvoltage> check the network configuration on your ltsp server, check what the IP address is
[07:08] <highvoltage> and check /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to see that it's in the same range (should be <IP_ADDRESS> with the same range in dhcpd.conf, by default)
[07:08] <netrunner_> The network showed no wired connection, I had to create one
[07:08] <highvoltage> ah
[07:08] <highvoltage> ok, it will probably work if you set the server ip to <IP_ADDRESS> and reboot
[07:09] <netrunner_> I just don't remember the message it was giving in the network indicator
[07:09] <netrunner_> okay
[07:09] <highvoltage> otherwise, if you want to use another IP, you would need ot update the dhcpd.conf and run ltsp-update-sshkeys
[07:10] <netrunner_> okay I will try this
[07:10] <netrunner_> brother at what times can I find you online? I will try this and report to you. :-)
[07:14] <netrunner_> Okay brother, I will taking your leave now.
[07:14] <netrunner_> will be*
[07:14] <netrunner_> :
[07:14] <netrunner_> :)
[07:14] <netrunner_> Thanks for the help.
[15:21] <murthy> herwig++ v2.6.2 ftbfs. this is a partial build log http://paste.kde.org/669782/
[22:33] <vow> i need help


[00:01] <Kamilion> okay, updated. have a look.
[00:02] <Kamilion> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuEmail#A2-step_Authentication_issues
[00:03] <Kamilion> there's some glitchy text in the heading above that; I'll take care of that next.
[00:05] <Kamilion> gsilvapt: is that sufficiently explanitory without being too-detailed?
[00:05] <gsilvapt> yeap, it's clear to me
[00:06] <Kamilion> i also outlined the security risk taken in using app-specific passwords, and noted that revoke & reissue would be a primary strategy for recovery.
[00:07] <Kamilion> it's rather rude to ask people to take security leaps without at least pointing out the noose around their foot
[00:10] <gsilvapt> Yeah, I forgot those two things
[00:10] <gsilvapt> Damn, I'm getting that feeling that my english is actually terrible
[00:11] <gsilvapt> god :o
[00:14] <Kamilion> nah
[00:14] <Kamilion> just informal
[00:15] <gsilvapt> Still need to work on that
[00:21] <Kamilion> There, fixed up some of the stranger text I found in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuEmail#Sending_email_from_GMail_with_your_Ubuntu_address
[00:22] <Kamilion> notably, #11 has been improved significantly.
[00:24] <Kamilion> other than that, a missing doublequote was fixed when #8 was reworded, and a couple breaks in formatting were fixed.
[00:25] <Kamilion> from my perspective, it flows much better now.
[00:27] <Kamilion> aha, that's why it seemed a little odd, amjjawad wrote it.
[00:38] <gsilvapt> Yea, the original page was written by him
[00:38]  * Kamilion pages through http://eprint.iacr.org/2013/647.pdf
[00:43] <Kamilion> looks like E-521 or M-511 are good curves for modern use.
[15:53] <wxl> gsilvapt Kamilion my hesitation in setting up two step auth is now it might negatively affect services i require, such as Google SMTP access. thanks for solving that for me. now i'm 2-stepping everything! https://twofactorauth.org/
[16:48] <gsilvapt> Well, lately everything has been hacked, so I try to have it on, when possible
[16:49] <ianorlin> I mean even tpp a text presentaiton program has a cve assigned to it
[18:34] <ahoneybun> hwllo


[00:17] <guiverc> 18.04.6 released posted to fb
[00:29] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu 18.04.6 LTS released @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2021/09/17/ubuntu-18-04-6-lts-released/
[07:43] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Fridge:: Ubuntu 18.04.6 LTS released @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2021/09/17/ubuntu-18-04-6-lts-released/ (by guiverc)


[02:59] <Maniglen> HI, I just started an interest group on Launchpad, https://launchpad.net/xbox360 People are complaining there's no 'join' button. How do I do this in Launchpad ?
[03:07] <Maniglen> It's 4am here , right now - So I shall go to bed and leave this channel open till morning. Answers please (are welcome).
[09:58] <cjwatson> Odd_Bloke: You should be able to pass version= to livefs.requestBuild now.
[09:59] <Odd_Bloke> cjwatson: Great, thanks!
[11:34] <Maniglen> Hi there, I asked a question earlier this morning and never got an  answer.
[11:36] <Maniglen> I set up a group in Launchpad : https://launchpad.net/xbox360/ but there have been comments that there is no 'join' button. How do I make it so that ppl. can join my group ?
[11:36] <cjwatson> Maniglen: Your client had timed out and quit by the time I showed up.  You can't join a project, only a team.
[11:36] <cjwatson> Maniglen: So you should register a team for this, and either make that team be the maintainer or driver of the project, or just link to it in the description.
[11:37] <Maniglen> How do I set up a team ?
[11:37] <cjwatson> There's a link on the front page
[11:37] <Maniglen> Ok got it.
[11:37] <Maniglen> cheers.
[11:52] <Maniglen> bye.
[20:42] <banix> trying to use launchpadlib and accessing https://launchpad.net/neutron So I am trying this: lp = Launchpad.login_anonymously("my client", "https://launchpad.net/neutron") what am i doing wrong?
[20:55] <dobey> passing in a project URL
[20:56] <banix> dobey: what should I do instead?
[20:56] <dobey> don't pass in a project URL
[20:56] <dobey> see pydoc
[20:58] <banix> dobey: I want to get to the bugs for this particular project. Can you point me to a document where this is explained? thanks.
[20:59] <dobey> banix: you are using login_anonymously() wrong. run "pydoc launchpadlib.launchpad.Launchpad.login_anonymously" for the docs on that method
[20:59] <dobey> once you log in, then you use the lp object itself to access information on launchpad
[21:02] <banix> dobey: So I can login to say “production” is taht where I want to be? that is throuhj the lp object I can get to a particular project such as the one I mentioned above?
[21:03] <banix> dobey: let me write this again: I can login to say “production”. Is this where I have to log into? That is to ask if from the lp object I get tthis way, can I get to a particular project such as the one I mentioned above?
[21:03] <dobey> i think you can just leave off the second argument
[21:04] <dobey> the default is production iirc
[21:04] <dobey> project = lp.projects["project"]
[21:05] <banix> dobey: i see. thanks.


[00:00] <Crell> Right.
[00:00] <Crell> And I'm going to rerun my remote backup script first, just to be sure. :-)
[00:13] <Crell> ... Which is not running correctly for some reason.  Just how long has THAT been the case?
[00:14] <sarnold> uhoh
[00:14] <Crell> It's just an rsync command, but it seems to be taking... many minutes to just setup the incremental file list.
[00:14] <Crell> Admittedly it's backing up a lot, but... it shouldn't take this long.
[00:23] <Guest54> where can i see the chat history of this channel?
[00:23] <Guest54> of yestserday
[00:24] <sarnold> https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2023/07/19/%23ubuntu.html
[00:24] <Guest54> great thanks!
[00:50] <Crell> Wow.  15 kbps upstream to my remote backup service.  That seems... not good.
[00:54] <rfm> Crell, when that's happened to me it's either been bufferbloat on the router due to competing traffic or my ISP-supplied router deciding that incoming connections to my transmission-daemon were a DDoS attack
[00:55] <Crell> I had nothing else going on network wise for most of that time, aside from this channel.  And it's my own router.
[00:57] <rfm> Crell, it turned out to be useful to do a traceroute up to the remote service then run "sudo ping -f <an IP along the way>" to see where the massive packet loss was occuring.
[00:58] <rfm> Crell, packet loss can show up as very slow TCP connections since if the ACKs back from the destination are lost the local system retransmits over and over
[00:59] <Crell> Traceroute gets as far as hop 4, somewhere in my ISP.  And then it's all * * * up to hop 30.
[01:00] <rfm> Crell, not unusual, a lot of routers in the net don't send the ttl-expired ICMP packets that traceroute depends on.
[01:01] <Crell> Well, time to kick off the disk resize now.  Wish me luck.
[01:02] <toddc> traceroute -I gives a bit more detail
[01:03] <Crell> Huh.  That's a very short and fast 8 step response.
[01:03] <Crell> 60 ms to the server.
[01:08] <Crell> Wow.  I'm... in shock that none of those resize steps actually took much time.
[01:09] <Crell> And now I have 3.6 GB of total storage available.  From 3 2GB drives in RAID5.  Not too bad.
[01:09] <Crell> Let's see if it survives a reboot...
[01:10] <rbox> what ever will you do with so much space!
[01:11] <sarnold> growing the partition is probably just overwriting one integer in one sector .. growing the filesystem is going to take writing the new dimensions in the superblocks and updating a few counters, I think. probably the whole operation is less than 512KB written total
[01:14] <Crell> I'm used to formatting a disk taking a long time.  I guess that means something different on an SSD, though.
[01:14] <sarnold> it depends more on what 'formatting' means ;)
[01:14] <Crell> True.
[01:14] <rbox> formatting and growing are differnet
[01:14] <rbox> shrinking takes a ton of time depending on the data
[01:15] <sarnold> it might be issuing a gigantic pile of TRIM or DISCARD requests, which will indeed take a while..
[01:36] <Crell> OK, well, the process is now finally complete.  I have 3.6 TB of total storage available, it's all on SSDs so it should be faster, and it actually boots. :-)
[01:36] <Crell> Thanks for the help, folks.  I'm going to blog this whole mess sometime soon for posterity and will drop a link here when I do.
[01:37] <sarnold> awesome! :D
[03:38] <plt2> Hello
[03:38] <plt2> How can fix this error please --> cURL error 59: failed setting cipher list: ALL:!EXPORT:!EXPORT40:!EXPORT56:!aNULL:!LOW:!RC4:@STRENGTH (see https://curl.haxx.se/libcurl/c/libcurl-errors.html)
[03:39] <rbox> pastebin the command and the full output
[03:42] <plt2> It's a php application and it was working before and it has not been updated for several months. This just happened. I think it's a server issue
[03:42] <rbox> well if its a server issue...
[03:42] <plt2> This is very vage CURLE_SSL_CIPHER (59)
[03:42] <plt2> Could not use specified cipher.
[03:44] <plt2> File maybe missing?
[03:46] <plt2> What else can I check?
[03:50] <plt2> How else can I find what is causing the issue please?
[03:52] <plt2> Would you like for me to put the entire screen on paste?
[03:55] <plt2> https://pastebin.com/34RBeGJ3
[04:18] <Guest93> ubuntu update is annoying. I started the update in night, thinking it will get completed in morning but when i checked in morning, it was asking me to replace or keep the configuration file. Is there a way I can automate that task next time?
[04:26] <lotuspsychje> Guest93: specific changes where the admin needs to choose is there for a reason, not a good idea to try automating it
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> usualy apt is pretty intuitive, but some updates and mostly upgrades, the admin needs to take care of a few questions to complete the updates/upgrades
[04:29] <Guest93> Yeah, but they ask me to replace or keep the configuration file, otherwise changes will be lost. I am a simple user, I don't play with configuration much so I don't mind replacing them
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> Guest93: this time apt asks you about a config, but next time it might be another question needed attention, still think its not a good idea to automate these things
[04:35] <Guest93> Yeah :(
[04:36] <Guest93> If you don't mind I have another question, is cad (for calender) preinstalled command in bash?
[04:36] <Guest93> According to my book it should be, but when I try it in terminal it asks me to install its package
[04:36] <lotuspsychje> !info cad
[04:37] <Guest93> maybe package to install, its name is ncad
[04:37] <Guest93> !info ncad
[04:37] <Guest93> ...
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> apt says there are 16 similar commands
[04:37] <Guest93> my bad, cmd name is cal
[04:38] <Guest93> !info ncal
[04:38] <Guest93> this one, yeah
[04:38] <Guest93> weird, my book is wrong then
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> optional, means not installed by default Guest93
[04:38] <Guest93> Yeah
[04:38] <Guest93> Gotta restart the system, thanks @lotu
[04:39] <Guest93> sorry
[04:39] <Guest93> lotuspsychje for help
[04:39] <lotuspsychje> np
[04:47] <Guest72> Hi, I just completed the install, now there are 2 new entries in boot menu for some memory test
[04:54] <Guest72> sorry gtg
[04:55] <fastwifi> if any1 need help i am ON it
[10:20] <pocholo> hello, i have a problem that i tried to solve for a weeks but i cant, i try other distro, debian, linux mint and nothing, i tried new kernels old kernels and nothing. I have a tablet 2 in 1 i installed the ubuntu 22.04 desktop but my baterry is not detect, when i try to change the distro or kernel sound dont work o screen brightness dont work
[10:22] <pocholo> battery ir only detect on ubuntu server 20.04 lts and debian 11 just two distro, but in debian 11 brighness dont work, i like use this machine to a gucamole server but i need see the batery and more important i need can reduce brightness to 0 to reduce consume
[10:22] <pocholo> in new kernel when you set 0 brighness dont turn off the screen is a think that i would like solve too, sorry for my ban english
[10:39] <ravage> pocholo: try "sudo apt install linux-image-generic-hwe-22.04-edge"
[10:40] <ravage> that should give you a supported 6.2 kernel on 22.04
[10:40] <pocholo> i will try now
[10:40] <CISHNICK> http://global.net.ru:8080/temp/LatinOS.png
[10:41] <weedmic> a bit maclike - but very nice
[10:43] <pocholo> while installing that as I could completely turn off the screen type I remember that in most to put the minimum brightness pnatalla off but here is quite low but not off, I would also need to turn it off but the image remained to be accessed by guacamole you know as well as when you move the mouse does not turn on the screen
[11:02] <Crin> Hello
[11:02] <Crin> I may need some help if anyone has time please
[11:03] <Crin> I can no longer acces my windows shares
[11:03] <Crin> I can't ping ubuntu from windows but i can ping 2 window machines from ubuntu
[11:04] <PvtJoker> Crin are they on the same subnet?
[11:04] <Crin> I dont think i changed anything, it worked untill it didnt i havent installed any new packages for some time
[11:04] <Crin> Yes they are
[11:05] <PvtJoker> are you using firewall on Ubuntu?
[11:05] <pocholo> nothing now how put brightness od screen to 0 to turn off screen i need this funcionality not poweroff screen
[11:05] <Crin> im not sure
[11:06] <PvtJoker> Crin try this : sudo systemctl ufw status
[11:06] <Crin> I did try an IPtable rule oncebut that was long before it stopped working
[11:06] <PvtJoker> ok Crin try also sudo iptables -L -v -n
[11:06] <Crin> ok
[11:06] <PvtJoker> let me know if you have any rules in iptables
[11:08] <PvtJoker> Crin the first cmd i gave you is wrong. should be this sudo systemctl status ufw
[11:08] <PvtJoker> the iptables -L -v -n should work
[11:11] <PvtJoker> also Crin : how are you attempting to access the windows shares?
[11:25] <hife> Hello #ubuntu. I have the problem on Ubuntu 22.04, that after waking up from suspend, the screen remains black (or sometimes shows some command line stuff from the suspend process). I can not get any response to Ctrl+Alt+F#NUMBER or Ctrl+Alt+Del. SysRq+R SysRq+E leads to some command line stuff briefly showing and then the login screen. After
[11:25] <hife> login, most things seem normal, but the network manager needs a restart before working. How do I analyse this problem?
[11:26] <hife> Forgot to write: This does not happen on every wake.
[11:27] <hife> About every two days I run into this problem.
[11:28] <Crin2> Test
[11:29] <Crin> Test succes
[11:29] <Crin2> sorry it took so long
[11:31] <Crin2> @Pvtjoker https://paste.simplylinux.ch/view/f1b86c50
[11:32] <Crin2> and ufw is running
[11:33] <oac> Hi there, I just ran clonezilla overnight and it said it didn't reinstall grub so I need to do that myself. But `sudo update-grub` fails with message `/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: failed to get canonical path of `overlay`. Anyone have experience with clonezilla of Ubuntu installations?
[11:34] <oac> I've decrypted the luks partition and mounted vgubuntu-root at /mnt/ubuntu and the efi partition at /boot/efi
[11:35] <oac> Should I chroot and run update-grub from within the Ubuntu fs?
[11:38] <weedmic> clonezilla took more than 30-45 mins to clone an entire disc?  oac
[11:38] <oac> It was like an hour and I half, but I started late
[11:39] <weedmic> o ok, i find that when it takes a long time, orthe eta keeps increasing, the source hdd is damaged and need fsck first.
[11:39] <oac> I think because luks it has to clone every block, couldn't do a sparse copy
[11:39] <EriC^^> oac: after mounting the rootfs at /mnt, type "for i in /dev /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -R $i /mnt$i; done"
[11:39] <weedmic> but that sounds within range.  did you do device to device?  I don't see how it could skip something
[11:41] <oac> weedmic: root was luks encrypted
[11:41] <EriC^^> then "sudo chroot /mnt" then type "mount /boot/efi"
[11:41] <EriC^^> then grub-install & update-grub
[11:42] <weedmic> so clonezilla doesn't do bit by bit copy?
[11:44] <Crin2> Pvtjoker were you able to see anything in there?
[11:45] <oac> EriC^^: thanks so much! Do I need to worry about the source drive still being in the system?
[11:46] <EriC^^> oac: nope
[11:47] <EriC^^> oac: actually, yes
[11:47] <EriC^^> oac: when you run the "mount /boot/efi" it might use the other efi partition since they have the same uuid
[11:48] <EriC^^> oac: when you said you manually mounted /boot/efi did you mean at /mnt/boot/efi or literally at /boot/efi?
[11:48] <oac> It used the correct one
[11:48] <EriC^^> ok
[11:48] <EriC^^> sounds good
[11:49] <oac> I had mounted at /boot/efi, but I umounted it before starting your instructions
[11:49] <EriC^^> ok cool
[11:49] <oac> And grub shouldn't have detected the old drive bootable partition or something? Just the new one?
[11:50] <EriC^^> oac: yeah grub will now install its efi files to the mounted efi partition and add an entry in the uefi pointing to it
[11:50] <EriC^^> once it's done and you want to boot the disk, make sure to remove the other since they share the same uuids and stuff so stuff doesnt get mixed up
[11:51] <oac> But there won't be a boot option for the source disk? I guess if they share the same I'd it should be fine
[11:52] <EriC^^> yeah the source disk will have an entry in the uefi, not sure what you mean though
[11:53] <EriC^^> if both disks are installed and one boots it might mount the other partition, i dont think it's advisable to have both disks installed in the pc at the same time
[11:54] <oac> I am mostly a refind user so I just don't know how grub deals with detecting multiple bootable drives. Like, will there be an entry for the old drive even after I remove it from the system?
[11:56] <EriC^^> oac: oh, well in the uefi there will be 2 entries, you can delete one using efibootmgr, as for grub, right now i think it will add the other disk to the menu, but once you booted the cloned disk, just run 'update-grub' again and it should make a fresh menu without the source disk as an option
[11:58] <oac> EriC^^: perfect, thank you so much!
[11:58] <EriC^^> efibootmgr -v to list them, efibootmgr -B -b <number> to delete the extra entry
[11:58] <EriC^^> oac: no problem
[11:58] <Crin2> ok soi desabled ufw and now everything works again
[11:59] <Crin2> so something is not gud in the firewall but i never changed ufw rules
[11:59] <Crin2> only rules in nwfilter from libvirt
[12:05] <oac> EriC^^: plugged drive in, it booted immediately to a grub console... Usually it would prompt for a luks password. Do you know if luks has anything to do with this?
[12:05] <EriC^^> oac: hmm i wonder, when you decrypted the luks what name did you give it?
[12:05] <oac> vg_ubuntu
[12:06] <oac> Probably needed to be vgubuntu
[12:06] <EriC^^> nah, it's usually sdax_crypt to similar, it should be in /etc/crypttab
[12:06] <EriC^^> can you pastebin "sudo parted -ls" output?
[12:07] <oac> Well now I'm in a grub shell and can't do much of anything... If I boot back from the clonezilla USB on the new system, that should be fine, right?
[12:08] <EriC^^> yeah
[12:13] <oac> You're right, nvme0n1p3_crypt
[12:13] <oac> So if I reopen with that name, then re-run grub stuff, it should be fine?
[12:19] <EriC^^> oac: yeah, if you want run 'update-initramfs -c -k all' for good measure before update-grub
[12:20] <oac> EriC^^: I'll boot back in and give that a try, thank you
[12:20] <EriC^^> oac: alright, no problem
[12:24] <Crin2> if i run ufw status or ufw show added it says there is nothing
[12:24] <oac> EriC^^: immediately booted back to grub again
[12:24] <Crin2> but disabling ufw does fix the issue iḿ lost now
[12:27] <oac> EriC^^: the grub shell, that is. And the bios boot order appears to be correct. Any idea what's going on here?
[12:27] <EriC^^> oac: is it a grub rescue> or grub> ?
[12:28] <oac> grub>
[12:29] <EriC^^> oac: try typing 'insmod normal' then 'configfile /boot/grub/grub.cfg'
[12:30] <oac> EriC^^: It cleared the terminal and then went back to grub> in the corner
[12:31] <EriC^^> what does 'ls /boot/grub' show?
[12:31] <oac> file /boot/grub not found
[12:32] <oac> Ahh it's in /efi/boot
[12:32] <EriC^^> type "ls -l" it should show the hdds
[12:33] <EriC^^> 1 sec, yeah the grub.cfg in the efi is different, it loads some stuff then points to the menu file
[12:33] <oac> Yeah there are hd0 hd0,gpt[1-3]
[12:34] <EriC^^> that one is working, cause if it didnt, you'd have a grub rescue> but from there on something is a miss
[12:34] <EriC^^> ok
[12:34] <EriC^^> one should be an ext2 i guess, the /boot partition
[12:34] <oac> "ls /" shows just efi
[12:34] <EriC^^> yeah that's messed up
[12:35] <EriC^^> try "ls (hd0,gpt2)/" assuming thats the ext2 one
[12:35] <weedmic> really? oac
[12:35] <oac> The boot partition is fat
[12:36] <oac> Recovery is ext*
[12:36] <EriC^^> try that then
[12:36] <oac> Try what?
[12:36] <EriC^^> typically the efi partition is fat, /boot will be ext2
[12:36] <oac> Oh sorry, missed your message
[12:36] <EriC^^> give gpt2 a try
[12:37] <EriC^^> you want to see efi grub kernels etc when you run the ls command
[12:38] <oac> gpt2 has efi, grub, vmlinuz, bunch of efi files
[12:38] <EriC^^> nice, ok try "configfile (hd0,gpt2)/grub/grub.cfg"
[12:39] <oac> Looks like it worked!
[12:39] <oac> Yeah, I'm in
[12:40] <EriC^^> great
[12:40] <oac> Now to make that persistent
[12:41] <EriC^^> try "grub-install && update-grub" as a long shot, might work, if not once you reboot we can look at the files and see exactly whats happening
[12:42] <oac> Update-grub found a bunch of images, which is a good sign
[12:43] <EriC^^> if something is amiss it might be in the /boot/efi/efi/*/grub.cfg file, cause that usually runs the configfile command
[12:43] <EriC^^> give it a try with rebooting, might work
[12:44] <Crin2> https://paste.simplylinux.ch/view/10f8f3e4
[12:44] <Crin2> I cant make much out of the rules could someone with more network experience maybe takee a llok if something pops out?
[12:52] <oac> EriC^^: it worked, incredible!  I have a meeting in 8 minutes lol
[12:52] <EriC^^> oac: :D great, no problem
[13:10] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:32] <User89> Greetings
[14:33] <User89> Oh sorry, got the answer (I literally forgot to google it before asking)
[15:06] <PvtJoker> Crin2 did you get your issue resolved? I had to step away from PC for a while sorry
[15:31] <Bart__> Hi! During Ubuntu install there is cascade of Ubuntu installers: UDI, Subiquity, Curtin.
[15:31] <Bart__> I want to append own file to `/target/etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/` or I want to append sections into `/target/etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/99-installer.cfg` into Yaml in field `.datasource.None.userdata_raw`
[15:31] <Bart__> Subiquity and `autoinstall` are not fit as they need predefined password, which is not acceptable. UDI have nice GUI and capability to specify username and password during install.
[15:32] <Bart__> Tell me please, are there a customisation hooks for UDI? Is there a file or hook, where it is possible to put inside ISO file my own scripts for customization of a system to be installed? How it is called, what is it's path?
[16:20] <hsiktas[m]> on every login, gnome-software sends a notification that the same packages have been upgraded. How do I get rid of this?
[16:42] <thatworkshop>  /msg ChanServ info #ubuntu
[16:42] <thatworkshop>  /msg ChanServ info
[18:04] <webchat84> Hi I'm facing an issue with Ubuntu 23.04, it automatically gets shutdown showing this error
[18:05] <webchat84><PHONE_NUMBER> systemd-journald [268]: Failed to write entry (23 items, 654 bytes), ignoring: Read-only file system
[18:05] <webchat84> 734.333314) systemd-journald [268]: Failed to write entry (23 items, 662 bytes), ignoring: Read-only file system
[18:05] <webchat84> t738.293144) EXT4-fs error (device sda2):ext4 find entry:1663: inode #1911026: comm gmain: reading directory Iblock @
[18:05] <webchat84> 738.254634) EXT4-fs error (device sda2): ext4 find entry:1663: inode #1311026: comm gnaini reading directory block o
[18:05] <webchat84> 738.296111) EXT4-fs error (device sda2):ext4_find_entry:1663: inode #1911026: comm graint reading directory iblock
[18:05] <webchat84> [730.8325733 EXT4-fs error (device sda2):ext4 find entry:1663: inode #7471114: comm systend: reading directory block 0
[18:44] <sers> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ge35FtIGoSlTzz0cKP5sZCbI_gT_DRFg
[20:58] <orbisvicis> /join #autotools
[21:06] <orbisvicis> is there a group or meta package of qt5 dev packages?
[21:09] <sarnold> not that I know of
[21:09] <sarnold> usually packages will set their Build-Dependencies to as tight as they can
[21:10] <orbisvicis> its just that the relationship between qt module and package and even dev package names are really loose
[21:11] <sarnold> ugh yes
[21:11] <sarnold> (not specific to qt5 but there's just so much of it..)
[21:11] <orbisvicis> heh
[21:11] <sarnold> apt-file search can help
[21:11] <orbisvicis> this helps too:
[21:11] <orbisvicis> https://askubuntu.com/questions/508503/whats-the-development-package-for-qt5-in-14-04
[21:11] <sarnold> that's awesome
[21:12] <robingrud> can anyone help me with GLPI?
[21:13] <sarnold> robingrud: if you've got a specific error when installing it, there might be someone around with an idea
[21:14] <sarnold> robingrud: but if it's about glpi specifically you will probably have more success in a glpi-specific community
[21:14] <robingrud> i donno.. .im trying to config the notification email option on my glpi app but it is not working... I tried to put "SMTP+SSL" and smtp.gmail.com as srv but it prints "failed to send email to administrator". Ive tried to ask this on #glpi channel, but i had no answers
[21:19] <sarnold> ugh finding docs on google services is the worst :(
[21:20] <robingrud> =/
[21:21] <sarnold> i thought for sure sending mail through smtp.google.com would require an auth token or oauth2 or something like that but cripes it's hard to find specifics :(
[21:24] <orbisvicis> yes it does, I generated one for dovecot (?) years ago and google bugs me to delete now and then
[21:24] <robingrud> tks for trying, i donno why it simlpy doesnt works, cuz im following the official documentation
[21:30] <orbisvicis> didn't google deprecate tokens to force everyone into oauth2 ?
[21:30] <orbisvicis> I remember something like that breaking Geary
[21:31] <sarnold> OH! you've reminded me of https://www.pmail.com/newsflash.htm
[21:31] <orbisvicis> robingrud: you might need https://glpi-plugins.readthedocs.io/en/latest/oauthimap/index.html
[21:33] <robingrud> we has another instance configured in docker working perfectly, we just migrated the deploy-mode to docker compose (cuz the first was in docker run) and used a clean bd, but that time doesnt work. gonna see those links
[21:34] <orbisvicis> sarnold: ouch
[21:34] <sarnold> orbisvicis: yeah :(
[22:12] <Guest34> hello everyone
[22:13] <PvtJoker> hello Guest34
[22:13] <Guest34> Hello PvtJoker
[22:14] <Guest34> I am looking for some help to install ubuntu using network
[22:14] <Guest34> like pxe boot
[22:14] <PvtJoker> What problem are you running into with the network installer?
[22:14] <Guest34> i am trying to automate the ubuntu desktop installation
[22:15] <PvtJoker> I see. Probably over my head at this stage. I'll wait for someone else to answer
[22:15] <Guest34> which set a user and encrypt the home directory and keep the recover key over some network location
[22:16] <Guest34> i am just curious on this topic , by any chance has anyone setup this
[22:16] <PvtJoker> https://c-nergy.be/blog/?p=16353
[22:16] <PvtJoker> Guest34 I found the above blog about PXE install
[22:17] <Guest34> looks interesting , will see it
[22:17] <Guest34> thanks PvtJoker
[22:17] <PvtJoker> good luck friend
[22:19] <PvtJoker> I have to admit that I just moved to Ubuntu from Windows. Everything *just works*. My previous foray into Linux was not so easy. I am very happy with my install. :)
[22:19] <PvtJoker> on a side note, I am having an issue with Virtualbox on my Ubuntu. NAT adapter works fine but I want to have the guest use BRIDGED networking. When I select bridged, the guest OS has no network at all.
[22:20] <PvtJoker> Guest is Windows install
[23:14] <PvtJoker> how can i determine which device in /dev/snd my Ubuntu system is using please?
[23:25] <sarnold> PvtJoker: most audio questions can be answered via the pavucontrol program
[23:32] <Guest9025> Hello, any Bluetooth adapters that are compatible with Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Desktop please?  Several have failed due to being only Windows compatible or running a CSR (Cambridge Silicon Radio) chipset.
[23:45] <Guest9025> I'll try this? https://linuxhint.com/linux-compatible-bluetooth-dongles/
[23:50] <jeremy31> Guest9025: gbu-521 or edimax bt-8500
[23:54] <sarnold> woot
[23:55] <vai> sarnold: morning
[23:56] <Guest9025> jeremy31, thanks, but I already ordered the Kinivo.
[23:56] <sarnold> d'oh


[07:34] <cjwatson> git.launchpad.net will be going down for maintenance (moving to a new cloud region) in about 25 minutes.
[07:35] <mwhudson> cjwatson: much excite
[08:09] <cjwatson> git.launchpad.net down for maintenance now
[08:11] <cjwatson> Doing a final data sync
[08:46] <cjwatson> Minor glitch in data syncing caught in final pre-switch checks, fixing up
[08:54] <cjwatson> May overrun slightly, fingers crossed
[09:15] <cjwatson> Discovered some repository corruption in the new deployment so we're rolling back while we investigate
[09:18] <cjwatson> We're back up on the old deployment :-/
[11:57] <cjwatson> We identified the problem, so trying again tomorrow morning.


[07:07] <hipolito> Hi, I'm trying the nocloud config drive example from the docs, but it doesn't work at all. Am I missing something?
[07:08] <hipolito> sadly I can't log into the image, it doesn't have any user/pw
[07:17] <meena> hipolito: let's start with a silly question: does your cloud support NoCloud?
[07:52] <hipolito> meena: I'm trying locally on virtualbox, attaching the seed iso
[07:55] <hipolito> I'm following the example from here: https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/datasources/nocloud.html
[07:55] <hipolito> the only thing I can see on the console is "source ...NoCloud failed"
[08:01] <meena> hipolito:   okay, so we can dig into logs then
[08:02] <hipolito> meena: sadly the image doesn't have any user or password, I can't log in without cloud-init injecting ssh keys
[08:03] <meena> oh. ooohhhh
[08:04] <hipolito> is there a kernel parameter on cloud-init so it prints more logs to standard output? I think systemd will print it out to the console
[08:08] <meena> that i don't know, and I'm only on my phone so looking thru the source code is a bit tricky
[08:13] <hipolito> no worries, I'll figure a way to log in somehow
[12:36] <Odd_Bloke> meena: :D
[12:48] <meena> there's been an update from #NetBSD, and at won't work on OpenBSD either, and won't cover all edge cases (on freebsd?) but we could use that simpler version
[12:48] <meena> our OpenBSD support is very spotty right now anyway
[12:57] <meena> We should probably move ifconfig from netinfo(?)
[12:57] <meena> or is it just duplicated in netinfo?
[13:00] <Odd_Bloke> meena: We don't need a single implementation that works for all BSDs; we can add {Free,Open,Net,Dragonfly}BSDNetworking subclasses and have specific implementations in each of those.
[13:01] <meena> basically, ifconfig -C is needed everywhere and can live in BSD base ass
[13:04] <meena> "what instrument do you play?" - "the base ass"
[13:26] <meena> i wonder if there are any circumstances under which `ifconfig -C` output would change over the runtime of a machine… like if we load different kernel drivers
[15:58] <rharper> Odd_Bloke: blackboxsw:  on the nfs mount bug, https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1870370 ;  We never captured a log with an error message.  I've tested bionic and focal images from daily; and fstab always has the correct entry present;  the messages mentioned are present in the cloud-init, but they do not prevent the entry from being added to fstab;  the stacktrack related to the call to mount -a is due to the lack of an
[15:58] <rharper> nfs client ;  once one installs nfs-common; the remote mount succeeds;  so; this AFAICT this was never an actual bug (in practice);
[15:59] <blackboxsw> ahh geez
[16:02] <blackboxsw> so rharper was the bug really that if we detect is_network_device(path) cloud-init should be installing nfs-utils?
[16:04] <rharper> blackboxsw: well, I don't know;  the original submitter thought that the issue was the error message of 'ignoring entry'
[16:04] <rharper> and maybe there still is a bug w.r.t saying we ignore mount entries and *still* put them in fstab
[16:07] <rharper> At this point, AFAICT, there never was an issue with using NFS mounts, other than the error message it displayed ... the reason the mount -a fails is the missing nfs client;  the bug fix applied now does not emit the error message and nfs entries are considered "sanitized";
[16:08] <rharper> for nfs, we could install the client; prior to running mount -a ...  not sure for other remote filesystems ; doing such a thing is a non-trivial feature;  and thus far, I suspect users have been rolling their own image (or doing everything in their own runcmd to handle client installs and updates to fstab
[16:09] <rharper> w.r.t the ec2 efs;  not clear to me what client is needed in the image for efs;
[16:10] <rharper> w.r.t the SRU;  I can verify that the error message is no longer emitted ...  and there's no regression in cloud-init behavior; so I don't think this disrupts the SRU at all; but the bug/fix is misleading in that it never was the barrier to enabling nfs mounts on first boot
[16:11] <rharper> blackboxsw: let me know how you want to proceed
[16:11] <blackboxsw> agreed, rharper . I think that is a sound approch for now. We'll ping the submitter on the bug and ask for confirmation at their convenience
[16:12] <blackboxsw> we can have them re-open the bug if they hit it again and fill in more details (as well as cloud-init logs)
[16:12] <blackboxsw> I think we can proceed with your verification of no regression in current behavior
[16:12] <rharper> blackboxsw: alright, I'll just verify the error message is not present any more
[16:39] <meena> i dunno folks, everybody should know what kind of environment they putting an image into. if you gonna need nfs, and you don't install nfs-utils into the image before putting it to use, then i don't know what to say
[16:40] <meena> (and since i don't even know what ec2 efs is, I'm not gonna say anything about that)
[16:42] <meena> we could check if the fs is supported, and error out, 🤷♀
[16:45] <haderach> Hello! How to connect a local instance of cloud? I got the shell in the machine and instance id.
[16:48] <meena> hrm… checking if an fs is supported is probably as complex as installing support for it, aaaaand, highly distro specific.
[16:48] <haderach> Is running in Ubuntu 20.04
[17:02] <falcojr> blackboxsw : in doing the Oracle SRU, I'm seeing two tracebacks
[17:02] <falcojr> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tms3rBfsW3/
[17:02] <falcojr> it looks like in older SRUs, two tracebacks were found, but we didn't detail them, so it's probably the same thing, but curious if you know what they are
[17:03] <falcojr> this is for bionic
[17:03] <falcojr> also /etc/netplan is empty which wasn't the case for older SRUs
[17:03] <falcojr> but it's empty when I launch the instance, and empty after I installed proposed and reboot
[17:09] <blackboxsw> falcojr: the cloudinit.url_helper.UrlError: 404 Client Error: Not Found for url: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/latest/meta-data/ is known on Oracle, older series don't use the proper src/cloud-init/cloudinit/sources/DataSourceOracle.py   This was a cloudimage feature that we need to resolve with CPC team internally at some point. So that is known, the openstack datasource hits urls that Oracle IMDS doesn't actually
[17:09] <blackboxsw> support.
[17:12] <blackboxsw> the other trace is related to network already being up when trying to run EphemeralDHCP, which I think is ok because that means the network is already active because of iscsi root on Oracle during initial  datasource detection time in local timeframe. We probably aren't going to resolve this for Oracle specifically in the OpenStack datasource, because oracle should be using DataSourceOracle which checks for
[17:12] <blackboxsw> iscsi_root first https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/master/cloudinit/sources/DataSourceOracle.py#L194-L198
[17:12] <blackboxsw> falcojr: does Oracle have a focal series image yet?
[17:13] <falcojr> yes
[17:13] <falcojr> I didn't have issues with the focal image
[17:13] <blackboxsw> did it detect Oracle datasource vs OpenStack
[17:14] <falcojr> ```
[17:14] <falcojr> {
[17:14] <falcojr>  "v1": {
[17:14] <falcojr>   "datasource": "DataSourceOracle",
[17:14] <falcojr>   "errors": []
[17:14] <falcojr>  }
[17:14] <falcojr> }
[17:14] <falcojr> ```
[17:14] <falcojr> lol...my brain can't keep two chat systems separate now
[17:15] <falcojr> any idea about the missing /etc/netplan config?
[17:20] <blackboxsw> falcojr: that's something concerning I think.   this is bionic right? grep renderer /var/log/cloud-init.log
[17:21] <falcojr> returns nothing
[17:23] <blackboxsw> yet all of the other fetches of  http://<IP_ADDRESS>/latest/ are working and `ip addr show` list valid active addresses on the network interfaces
[17:26] <falcojr> yes, I can pull down metadata and reach out the the internet...ip a shows <IP_ADDRESS> on ens3 and loopback
[17:26]  * blackboxsw relooks at the last oracle SRU runs. it may be worth putting up the full in progress PR . generally older Oracle SRUs did render /etc/netplan/50-cloud-init.yaml so something didn't fire on t
[17:26] <blackboxsw> the instance.
[17:26] <falcojr> alright, I'll put up the full text in the PR and we can take a look there
[17:26] <falcojr> thanks
[17:27] <blackboxsw> probably want to attach the logs and. Yeah sorry. and as you mentioned this is probably generally a known condition (as each oracle SRU had 2 tracebacks in logs)
[17:27] <blackboxsw> just the netplan file not being present seems amiss
[17:28] <blackboxsw> also may want to grep  'Writing to /etc/net' /var/log/cloud-init.log to see if it rendered /etc/network/interfaces or /etc/netplan etc
[17:28]  * blackboxsw has to step away for kid lunch prep for a few
[17:58] <meena> blackboxsw: o/~ 💜
[18:07] <rharper> blackboxsw: https://github.com/cloud-init/ubuntu-sru/pull/135
[18:29] <meena> Odd_Bloke: i'm trying to contribute is_physical for BSD to your PR, and it would need to pull in get_interfaces_by_mac() (the underlying function that the BSDs use for get_interfaces() / get_devicelist())
[19:01] <Odd_Bloke> meena: Are you able to call `self.get_interfaces_by_mac()`?
[19:08] <meena> Odd_Bloke: hrm, so, the "problem" is that get_interfaces_by_mac() is a lot more output and parsing, and we only need it on OpenBSD, since ifconfig -l is all we want, but OpenBSD doesn't have that.
[19:09] <meena> i think i should probably start with FreeBSD (and NetBSD) and then do openbsd (or let someone who cares about OpenBSD lol have a go)
[19:09] <falcojr> blackboxsw PR here: https://github.com/cloud-init/ubuntu-sru/pull/136
[19:13] <Odd_Bloke> meena: Hmm, I'm not sure I'm following along, I'm afraid.
[19:14] <meena> Odd_Bloke: ifconfig -l output:
[19:14] <meena> meena@fbsd12-1:~ % ifconfig -l
[19:14] <meena> vtnet0 lo0
[19:14] <Odd_Bloke> meena: Bear in mind that we can have a `BSDNetworking.is_physical` and an `OpenBSDNetworking.is_physical` (and a PR which just has the latter raise NotImplementedError would be perfectly acceptable: it's still an improvement).
[19:14] <meena> or, or an actual server: vtnet0 lo0 bridge0 vnet0:1 vnet0:2
[19:14] <meena> aye.
[19:15] <Odd_Bloke> meena: (And, in fact, separate PRs for the two separate implementations would be much easier to review, too. :)
[19:17] <blackboxsw> thanks gents for hte prs
[19:17] <blackboxsw> falcojr: ahh oracle has disabled networking :)  2020-06-25 18:58:05,467 - stages.py[DEBUG]: network config disabled by system_cfg
[19:17] <blackboxsw> sooo, yes that would be expected that cloud-init doesn't emit /etc/netplan :)
[19:17] <blackboxsw> falcojr: and I believe that is due to the fact that network config is setup for iscsi root
[19:19] <meena> Odd_Bloke: aye.
[19:20] <blackboxsw> falcojr: to confirm that the machine is iscsi root you can python3 -c 'from cloudinit.net.cmdline import read_initramfs_config; print(read_initramfs_config())'
[19:21] <blackboxsw> that should give you iscsi_root network configuration I believe
[19:22] <falcojr> None
[19:22] <blackboxsw> falcojr: it's at least that's what the Oracle proper datasource uses to confirm netcfg is up. also worth confirming that focal on Oracle doesn't emit the log "network config disabled by system_cfg"
[19:23] <blackboxsw> but I think that's implied (the focal log check)  because you said focal rendered /etc/netplan/*cloud-init.yaml
[19:24] <falcojr> right
[19:25] <falcojr> so should I just update the procedure with a different comment as to why I'm || true there, remove the logs, and call it a day?
[19:25] <blackboxsw> falcojr: I think so. if we have to sort more we can do it in review.
[19:27] <blackboxsw> and it looks like we'll have a little time on this because solutionsQA verification run still isn't started, it has 4 CI jobs queued in front of it (which may take 8 hrs each).
[19:27] <falcojr> sounds good
[19:27] <blackboxsw> so we are in the camp of waiting  on CI approval for cloud-init SRU until that solutionsQA test run is actually executed.
[19:28] <blackboxsw> despite being queued a couple days ago
[21:47] <blackboxsw> falcojr: paride finally have a cloud-config fix that avoids the lxc console <VM> interaction to fix lxd on launch
[21:47] <blackboxsw> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/54WcQWrn4H/
[21:47] <blackboxsw> I might even be able to simplify more
[21:48] <blackboxsw> by adding that vendor data to the vm profile
[21:48] <blackboxsw> rharper: too ^
[21:48] <blackboxsw> sorry will wrap up your remaining sru PRs today
[21:55] <blackboxsw> yep profile https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pxtbd4fjph/
[21:55] <falcojr> great!
[21:55] <blackboxsw> ok lucasmoura I'm going to rework the ua-client PR for vm support
[21:58] <lucasmoura> blackboxsw, ack. I have reviewed it this afternoon, but I just had a couple of minor comments
[22:00] <rharper> blackboxsw: lemme look
[22:00]  * rharper has been rather annoyed at lxd --vm
[22:00] <rharper> also, super not happy about the lxd agent not working in ubuntu-daily;$release ; and then the images:ubuntu/$release/cloud  which is not an official cloud image, but something else;  also has no ssh server installed.
[22:01]  * rharper finish mini rant
[22:02] <rharper> blackboxsw: I see, your comment in the second paste is most helpful;  ISTR there was some issue with the reboot needed due to difficulting wrangling systemd units starting soon enough
[22:03] <blackboxsw> rharper: I think it's just that the systemd units we add don't start properly without the reboot
[22:04] <rharper> yes
[22:04] <blackboxsw> the install.sh run comments about avoiding the reboot. but it failed when I tried
[22:04] <blackboxsw> I'm following this https://discuss.linuxcontainers.org/t/running-virtual-machines-with-lxd-4-0/7519
[22:04]  * blackboxsw has to head on an errand for a few
[22:04] <rharper> nice
[23:41] <rharper> blackboxsw: , the install says you can skip the reboot; To start it now, unmount this filesystem and run: systemctl start lxd-agent-9p lxd-agent


 tsimonq2 isnt the team lead or devel or QA leas
 therefore any decision rests on myself @kc2bez or @wxl23
 at least not right now he isnt.
 pinged users, weigh in?
 about?
 Forwarded from lubuntu_bot: (irc) <GunnarHj> tsimonq2: I'm back about Lubuntu and fcitx. I'd like a decision about it soon to be able to adapt im-config accordingly.
 Forwarded from lubuntu_bot: (irc) <GunnarHj> tsimonq2: My advice would be to drop fcitx from the seed, and leave it to the user to install an IM framework as needed. Other flavors (except for Kylin) do so.
 the unresponded to question from Gunnar yesterdat
 following what everyone else does seems to make sense, but i have no real experience with this, so it's hard to say what is right. just because everyone does something doesn't mean it's ideal. also, i have no idea about context
 GunnarHj: some context here might be helpful can you provide some?
 looks lile the bridge is down
 *reboots it*
[18:22] <teward> oh hm NOW it listens
[18:22] <teward> *shrugs*
 I'm ok with dropping it too but like @wxl23 I don't feel I have enough experience to give a qualified answer. I guess as long as it is still available in the archive someone could add it back later.?
 i think it would be good to get input from people who actually USE it
 I agree. @N0um3n0 is this something you could help us with? (re @wxl23: i think it would be good to get input from people who actually USE it)
[18:51] <GunnarHj> @teward: Thanks for the hint!
[18:51] <GunnarHj> As regards context, I brought up the matter the first time here:
[18:51] <GunnarHj> https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2021/11/23/%23lubuntu-devel.html
[18:51] <GunnarHj> The rationale for not shipping any IM framework by default is explained in the linked discourse thread. We have now changed it for Kubuntu and Xubuntu, so Lubuntu is the only remaining flavor where we need a special im-config configuration to avoid that fcitx is started by default for all users.
[18:51] <GunnarHj> I do respect that the Lubuntu devels don't have so much experience with input methods. OTOH, IMO that speaks for following the main route and not diverge from other flavors.
[18:51] <GunnarHj> I'm ready to clarify my suggestion further. While not an IM user myself, I have been involved in various IM configuration aspects for several years.
[18:51] <GunnarHj> Hoping this makes it to telegram. (I don't have telegram set up on my machine ATM.)
 You made it through GunnarHj We have some other items to drop from our seed and then we have to do the switch for Firefox as well. I am hopeful one of us can do these all at once in the coming days.
[19:03] <GunnarHj> @kc2bez[m]: Ok.. Does that mean that you have already made up your mind, and that the fcitx packages won't be included in the 22.04 Lubuntu ISO?
 I am leaning that way but I would like to hear back from our Global team (I pinged the team lead above).
[19:10] <GunnarHj> kc2bez[m]: I see. In the meantime, let me add that in any case fcitx is old. It has been replaced by fcitx5. fcitx5 is preferred over IBus by Chinese users at first hand, and shipped by default for Chinese installations in Ubuntu 21.10 as well as Debian 11.
 I do seem to remember a certain degree of problems related to fcitx, irregardless of this discussion so not being forced to deal with it as much would sure be nice. On the other hand, I am always concerned about how approachable/usable the default system is to someone who isn't fluent in English.
 One of the considerations to keep in mind is we are NOT using the installer everyone else is, so certain expectations for what should happen don't necessarily apply.
[19:15] <GunnarHj> kc2bez[m]: I'm convinced that my suggestion to drop it would generally make it easier for input method users. If you haven't any IM framework installed to start with and install some input method engine, the related framework (fcitx5 or ibus) will be pulled, and im-config will make it work instantly (after a relogin/reboot at least).
[19:17] <GunnarHj> @wxl23: Are you using language-selector-common to pull relevant language support at installation?
 To be honest, I don't recollect. I haven't been too active since the pandemic, so I'm running off fo memory and memory ain't helping too much in relation to that question :)
[19:26] <GunnarHj> @@wxl23: At least language-selector-common is on the ISO. And assuming that the installer also makes use of it, what I just said about Chinese installs applies to Lubuntu as well.
[19:29] <GunnarHj> @wxl23: But if you drop fcitx from the ISO soon, there will be sufficient time to check out such details.
 @kc2bez have at it? ^
 Ok, I will try to get that done in the next day or two. (re @wxl23: @kc2bez have at it? ^)
 danke
 Thanks to you as well, I appreciate your input. (re @wxl23: danke)
[19:54] <GunnarHj> Thanks all for your attention. If you make that change, I'll do "my" part wrt im-config. Then we can check out various input method scenarios and make sure it works as expected.
 It is not one of the most frequently asked questions .... The groups that would have fcitx support are the most empty. Maybe the manual would be a good reference site, but I doubt if putting it in the distribution is the best idea (re @kc2bez: I agree. @N0um3n0 is this something you could help us with?)
 Thank you for getting back to us! (re @N0um3n0: It is not one of the most frequently asked questions .... The groups that would have fcitx support are the most empty. Maybe the manual would be a good reference site, but I doubt if putting it in the distribution is the best idea)
 Sorry for not answering faster (re @kc2bez: Thank you for getting back to us!)
 No problem, it was plenty fast enough. :) (re @N0um3n0: Sorry for not answering faster)


[01:12] <hads> Hey all, I just discovered a bug in Dolphin that may trap quite a few people. Confirmed by someone else in #kubuntu
[01:13] <nosrednaekim> indeed
[01:13] <hads> To reproduce; in a directory with a large number of subdirs, scroll down past the first 'page' and then try to drag a subdir to a different subdir. The information pane reports the drop target which would be on the first 'page' and the drop goes to the incorrect subdir.
[01:14] <gnomefreak> file a bug it will attract more people
[01:14] <hads> Sure, I was just being lazy.
[01:15] <nosrednaekim> actually, I find it will default to the top folder viewable
[01:16] <nosrednaekim> (and not go off the default)
[01:17] <hads> nosrednaekim: Interesting, here it seems to follow the pattern of where the folder icon would be on the first page of results.
[01:25] <hads> nosrednaekim: #152788 in case you're interested.
[01:25] <nosrednaekim> ok
[01:26] <nosrednaekim> bug 152788
[01:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 152788 in dolphin "Dolphin drag and drop targets wrong directory" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/152788
[01:28] <nosrednaekim> hads: if you go to #ubuntu+1 you might find more people to confirm it.
[01:28] <hads> Sure
[02:56] <maybebaby> has anyone got kde4 beta running on current gutsy?  the instructions from #kubuntu don't work
[02:57] <maybebaby> would love to give it a try
[02:57] <nosrednaekim> maybebaby: they worked for me... where did it fail for you?
[02:58] <maybebaby> kdebase-workspace didn't install
[02:58] <nosrednaekim> what is the error?
[02:58] <nosrednaekim> I heard that complaint before..
[02:59] <maybebaby> regular unmet dependencies
[02:59] <nosrednaekim> which are..
[02:59] <maybebaby> you want me to list them here?
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> !paste | maybebaby here would do
[03:00] <ubotu> maybebaby here would do: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:00] <maybebaby> kde4base and related
[03:00] <maybebaby> regardless its circular and unresolvable
[03:01] <maybebaby> to the person seeking thunderbird, you can just download the tar file from their site and run it locally
[03:01] <maybebaby> it will work fine
[03:01] <nosrednaekim> maybebaby: wrong channel..
[03:02] <nosrednaekim> maybebaby: report a bug.
[03:02] <maybebaby> meh
[03:02] <maybebaby> i ain't helping shit
[03:02] <maybebaby> thx
[03:16] <nosrednaekim> I have to get to learning packaging
[03:16] <nosrednaekim> my dad and bro made a nice little program that they want in ubuntu...
[03:47] <rrittenhouse> I won a book  - "Foundations of Qt Development" (by Apress) - I am not a KDE guy but im wondering if anybody here would happen to have another book to trade for it...? Maybe a GTK book or Python.. something more suited for me.
[08:52] <_StefanS_> morning
[08:55] <DaSkreech> hi
[10:21] <buz> mhh plasma links against libkdefx.so.5 but installed is .4
[10:22] <buz> and kde4's kstartupconfig crashes because of an undefined symbol
[10:33] <buz> allee: you have a latitude d830 right?
[11:27] <doc__> hi there
[11:27] <Tm_T> hello hello
[11:35] <Tonio_> hey
[11:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: I tested 3.5.8 packages this we and I noticed a few issues with desktop files
[11:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: there are some in Settings in kmenu, should be systemsettings only
[11:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: also desktop sharing misses in systemsettings, and kbuildsyscoca compains with dirfilterplugin
[11:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have patches for those, is that too late for upload ?
[11:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: just a matter of desktop files so there shouldn't be any problem
[11:42] <Hobbsee> hiya Tonio_
[11:42] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: if you're really really quick...
[11:42] <Tonio_> hi Hobbsee :)
[11:42] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: uploads in about 2 hours, is that okay ?
[11:42] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: can you approve them ?
[11:42] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: um, perhaps.
[11:43] <Hobbsee> it should be OK, i guess.
[11:43] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: oki
[11:43] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: was a bit late for a kde change, a new upstream version upload always needs polishing........ that's the problem
[11:43] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'll do as quick as I can
[11:43] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ok, please get to it asap
[11:43] <Hobbsee> then we'll judge it
[11:43] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'll ping you once uploaded
[11:44] <Hobbsee> ok
[11:48] <Riddell> Tonio_: go ahead
[11:51] <_StefanS_> hey Tonio_
[11:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki
[12:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll also include a patch by fdoving for kdeject, fixes a bug while unmounting 2 usb keys plugged simultaneously
[12:19] <Riddell> ok
[12:19] <Riddell> _StefanS_: did you have a patch?
[12:19] <_StefanS_> Riddell: nope, didn't get it work correctly
[12:20] <Riddell> ok, thanks for trying
[12:20] <_StefanS_> no problem
[12:20] <Hobbsee> oh, darned buildprep patches.
[12:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell: am i better off, at this point, pulling hte buildprep patches out, adn getting it to rerun the autohell, or fixing the buildprep patch?
[12:21] <Hobbsee> Patch 98_buildprep.diff does not remove cleanly (refresh it or enforce with -f)
[12:21] <Hobbsee> make: *** [reverse-patches]  Error 1
[12:21] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I never include buildprep
[12:21] <Riddell> patches that is
[12:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you did this merge...
[12:21] <Hobbsee> but, OK
[12:22] <Riddell> must have slipped in somehow :)
[12:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: so I'll upload kde-systemsettings, kdebase, kdenetwork and konq-plugins, in case you're working on some of those
[12:33] <Hobbsee> gah, wtf?
[12:47] <Riddell> Tonio_: I'm not
[12:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: super
[01:18] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: everything-s been uploaded
[01:18] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: kdebase, kdenetwork, kde-systemsettings and konq-plugins
[01:18] <mhb> hi Tonio_
[01:21] <Tonio_> hey mhb ;)
[01:21] <mhb> Riddell: did you get my PMs about the websitey thing?
[01:45] <mhb> I have to go to school now, see you in the evening
[01:46] <Tm_T> have fun
[01:48] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: cool
[01:52] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: if you need details to get them approved, plrease ping me :)
[01:55] <Hobbsee> argh.  why does this hate me?
[01:55] <Hobbsee> /bin/bash: /tmp/buildd/konversation-1.0.1/./configure: No such file or directory
[01:55] <Hobbsee> make[1] : *** [config.status]  Error 127
[01:55] <Hobbsee> make[1] : Leaving directory `/tmp/buildd/konversation-1.0.1/obj-x86_64-linux-gnu'
[01:55] <Hobbsee> make: *** [debian/stamp-makefile-build]  Error 2
[01:55] <Hobbsee> pbuilder: Failed autobuilding of package
[01:55] <Hobbsee> removed the build patch thing, but autotools-dev is a build dep - i've forgottne what else i need to do?
[01:55] <Hobbsee> or do i need automake?
[01:55] <Hobbsee> or autoconf?
[02:10] <Riddell> Hobbsee: automake and autoconf I expect are needed
[02:10] <Riddell> run buildprep
[02:11] <Hobbsee> i cant seem to run buildprep - i get binary changes to files, cant upload
[02:11] <Riddell> which files?
[02:12] <Hobbsee> the .po files
[02:12] <Hobbsee> ah, now it's working
[02:15] <_StefanS_> Riddell: is there an easy way to change the splash in OOo ? maybe it should read kubuntu, instead of ubuntu (?=
[02:17] <Riddell> _StefanS_: I believe it's fixed, one splash for all
[02:18] <Riddell> it really shouldn't say "ubuntu" though, at least not as branding
[02:18] <_StefanS_> exactly my point..
[02:18] <_StefanS_> but its not a big thing :)
[02:18] <_StefanS_> just nitpicking i guess
[02:18] <Riddell> it goes against our branding for derivatives policy
[02:24] <_StefanS_> Riddell: so it should be amended?
[02:24] <_StefanS_> changed I mean.
[02:25] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: not this close to release..
[02:26] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: nah guess not
[02:28] <Tm_T> hrrr
[02:28] <Jucato> Tm_T: pay attention to your lecture!
[02:28] <Tm_T> no!
[02:35] <_StefanS_> hey Jucato!
[02:36] <Jucato> hey _StefanS_
[03:29] <bddebian> Heya
[03:55] <pradeepto> Hi.
[03:55] <Jucato> hello
[03:55] <Jucato> (belated boo! bddebian)
[03:55] <pradeepto> Does Kubuntu Gutsy have Enterprise KDEPIM?
[03:55] <Jucato> yep
[03:55] <Jucato> !info kdepim gutsy
[03:55] <ubotu> kdepim: Personal Information Management apps from the official KDE release. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.7enterprise20070926-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 27 kB, installed size 68 kB
[03:55] <pradeepto> cool thanks, just want to check on the status of ent kdepim on gutsy.
[03:57] <Hobbsee> Jucato: did you want to proofread my answers?
[03:57] <bddebian> heh, hi Jucato
[03:57] <Jucato> Hobbsee: um.. huh? wha?
[03:58] <Hobbsee> Jucato: magazine article
[03:58] <Hobbsee> Jucato: asked nixternal and i questions
[03:58] <Jucato> aaah hm... I 'd love to. but I'm a bit um... mental right now :)
[03:59] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[03:59] <Jucato> cleaned my room. got rid of the dust. triggered my asthma in the process
[04:00] <Hobbsee> urgh
[04:00] <Hobbsee> sleep, then!
[04:00] <Jucato> I.. can't... addicted... to IRC...
[04:00] <manchicke1> heh
[04:01] <manchicke1> Morning all.
[04:01] <manchicke1> What an incredible weekend.
[04:01] <Jucato> moin manchicke1
[04:01] <Jucato> glad you had an incredible one :)
[04:02] <Hobbsee> hiya manchicken
[04:02] <Hobbsee> manchicken: please dont tell me you have anything to push for adept.
[04:02] <manchicken> No.
[04:02] <manchicken> I'm unable to hack at the moment.
[04:02] <manchicken> I'm stranded in win32.
[04:02] <manchicken> :'(
[04:02] <manchicken> My system76 hasn't come back from its repairs yet.
[04:02] <manchicken> Though they definitely found the problem.
[04:03] <manchicken> The guy explained it to me.  The wire for the backlight was too close to the hinges and got rubbed away as the hinge moved.
[04:03] <manchicken> He said that that wire is normally not near the hinge.
[04:03] <manchicken> So I'm just waiting for my baby to come home.
[04:05] <n8k99> Jucato: you know there are twelve step programs for your IRC addiction
[04:05] <Hobbsee> hm, i think i need one :P
[04:05] <Jucato> n8k99: actually I only need 1. and had an overdose of that for the past days... and it's actually working....
[04:05] <n8k99> they meet round the clock in #IRC-Anonymous
[04:05] <n8k99> hehe
[04:05] <Jucato> (hence my unusual silence in #kubuntu and #kde)
[04:06] <manchicken> n8k99: Nice.
[04:06] <Jucato> (relatively silent)
[04:07] <Jucato> Hobbsee: deal with annoying/idiot users the whole day for 1 week, I assure you, you will be cured :)
[04:07] <Jucato> (in IRC support I mean)
[04:07] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:07] <Hobbsee> yeah, well
[04:12] <fdoving> Tonio_: is that the don't-refresh-kdesktop patch? don't you think it's an evil workaround?
[04:16] <Tonio_> fdoving: not that much honnestly
[04:16] <Hobbsee> aww drat.  you cant make katapult open hidden directories
[04:16] <Tonio_> fdoving: it is just a matter of seconds
[04:17] <Tonio_> fdoving: the desktop takes 1 more second to refresh, but at least you can unmount your devices, which is more important imho
[04:18] <manchicken> Tonio_: Wuddup:?
[04:19] <Tonio_> hey manchicken :)
[04:21] <fdoving> Tonio_: true. :)
[04:22] <Tonio_> fdoving: :)
[04:55] <Riddell> davmor2: what do you think of this as a workaround? http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/displayconfig-restore.py
[04:56] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/displayconfig.diff
[05:19] <davmor2> Riddell sorry afk
[05:20] <davmor2> I am going to be trying out the FC of Kubuntu as soon as it is out so I shall put it to the test for your then okay?
[05:22] <seele> Riddell: is it possible to call in to a UDS session if you're not there?
[05:22] <Hobbsee> seele: yeah
[05:22] <Hobbsee> seele: was in sevilla
[05:22] <seele> Hobbsee: ok thanks
[05:33] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: do you have any more uploads at all?
[05:33] <Hobbsee> nixternal: was that your last kubuntu-docs uplaod?
[05:40] <davmor2> Riddell: what's the .diff file for?
[05:45] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: that's okay forme
[05:52] <nixternal> Hobbsee: yes on kubuntu-docs
[05:53] <Hobbsee> nixternal: good
[05:53] <nixternal> there is a new kvkbd if we want it
[05:53] <nixternal> I could do a quick package of it
[05:54] <Hobbsee> no
[05:54] <nixternal> hehe
[05:54] <Hobbsee> unless there's anything really interestnig that it fixes
[05:54] <nixternal> it is a bug fix
[05:54] <nixternal> 0.4.6 - bugfix when started without x running. Confirm working with KDM and --loginhelper option passed (tested in kubuntu)
[06:00] <jpatrick> moin
[06:02] <jpatrick> anyone having problems with their @kubuntu.org mail?
[06:05] <nixternal> jpatrick: oh ya, I was supposed to tell you
[06:05] <nixternal> the reason you are having problems is because you have created a loop with your preferred email addy in LP
[06:05] <nixternal> you need to change it to something other than @kubuntu.org or @ubuntu.com
[06:05] <nixternal> you need to change it to your forward address
[06:06] <nixternal> it happened to me the other day, and they told me to tell you to do the same
[06:06] <jpatrick> nixternal: I have my gmail address there too
[06:06] <nixternal> is it set as preferred?
[06:06] <jpatrick> nop, opps
[06:06] <nixternal> it has to be set now...changes they made recently, even though they say no, caused it
[06:06] <Hobbsee> it's been long possible to break that way
[06:06] <nixternal> because for over a year, I had my preferred set to @ubuntu.com and never once had a problem
[06:08] <jpatrick> was kinda wondering why everyone on the mailing lists appeared to have died..
[06:08] <nixternal> lol
[06:11] <nixternal> Hobbsee: do we have any show stoppers, or any mission critical bugs that need to be worked out?
[06:11] <Hobbsee> dont think so, but havent checked teh final buglist
[06:13] <fdoving> will strigi be on or off by default?
[06:15] <Hobbsee> off
[06:15] <fdoving> ok.
[06:15] <fdoving> i have tested beagle lately.
[06:15] <fdoving> with kerry.
[06:15] <fdoving> and it's much more reliable, faster and the index size is 10% of what strigi managed to make.
[06:16] <jpatrick> fdoving: I think kerry's no longer developed
[06:16] <fdoving> looks finished to me :)
[06:23] <fdoving> http://cia.vc/stats/project/kde/kerry/
[06:23] <fdoving> looks like there is some activity.
[08:50] <mhb> good evening
[08:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: any chance that my today's upoload are accepted  ?
[08:53] <Lure> Riddell: didn't we have blue splashes for openoffice before?
[08:53] <Lure> Tonio_: I think they were already
[08:53] <Lure> Tonio_: at least I have seen announcements on gutsy-changes
[08:53] <Tonio_> Lure: super thanks
[08:54] <Tonio_> ureI didn't receive the emails yet....
[08:56] <Tonio_> Lure: i may have a problem as I didn't receive any email on gutsy-changes since yesterady
[08:56] <Lure> Tonio_: I use rss feed
[08:57] <Tonio_> Lure: hum okay, maybe that's a bit better
[08:57] <nixternal> ahh, we are back to the browness for oo.o
[08:57] <nixternal> :(
[08:58] <nixternal> the blue splash was the only reason I ever opened it :)
[09:15] <mhb> nixternal: could you please find & apply the patches anytime soon?
[09:41] <CPrgmSwR2> Hi, when is kde4-beta3 going to be released
[09:49] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: its in the repos for gutsy already
[09:50] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: check kubuntu.org for instructions, although they are for beta2
[10:11] <CPrgmSwR2> _StefanS_: does that mean I need to upgrade to gutsy
[10:12] <CPrgmSwR2> or how do I download beta3?
[10:12] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: well have you enabled feisty backports?
[10:12] <CPrgmSwR2> yes
[10:13] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: ok, do a sudo apt-cache search 'KDE 4' and see if you have beta 3 there (3.94)
[10:14] <CPrgmSwR2> Thats odd nothing with beta shows up
[10:15] <CPrgmSwR2> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty-backports main universe multiverse restricted <-- this enables feisty--backports right?
[10:17] <_StefanS_> yep should do the trick
[10:17] <CPrgmSwR2> I have beta2 installed
[10:17] <_StefanS_> have you tried to dist-upgrade?
[10:17] <CPrgmSwR2> What is the repository for gutsy
[10:17] <_StefanS_> I mean, do you have the latest packages
[10:18] <CPrgmSwR2> I should the icon doesn't show anything out of date
[10:18] <_StefanS_> its in the universe repo
[10:18] <CPrgmSwR2> is there a way to tell if thats enabled?
[10:18] <_StefanS_> you should just upgrade to gutsy, its very stable and you get kde 3.5.8 aswell
[10:18] <CPrgmSwR2> okay what is the repository for gutsy
[10:18] <emonkey> I can confirm that
[10:19] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: just search and replace feisty for gutsy in your sources.list
[10:19] <CPrgmSwR2> ah okay
[10:19] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: I guess the official way is to use update-manager(?) or something
[10:20] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: i just did a sudo apt-get update , sudo apt-get dist-upgrade afterwards
[10:20] <emonkey> yes... here are further informations: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GutsyGibbon/RC/Kubuntu
[10:20] <emonkey> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades#head-3cb12417f0af7f24d4a34f2ae4040bf791c42f52
[10:22] <CPrgmSwR2> it would be neat if there was a script to replace gusty with fiesty so you just type changedist gutsty
[10:22] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: go with the official way of upgrading
[10:23] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: well you would only need that command every 6 months ;)
[10:24] <CPrgmSwR2> um... this doesn't work update-manager -d
[10:26] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: did you install update-manager first?
[10:26] <CPrgmSwR2> no
[10:26] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: you probably should do that
[10:26] <CPrgmSwR2> sorry I am new to kubuntu
[10:26] <_StefanS_> thats ok
[10:27] <_StefanS_> use the commandline or adept; manage packages
[10:27] <CPrgmSwR2> sudo apt-get update-manager
[10:27] <CPrgmSwR2> what is wrong with that line
[10:27] <_StefanS_> sudo apt-get install update-manager
[10:27] <CPrgmSwR2> Oh
[10:27] <_StefanS_> you need to specify an action.
[10:27] <CPrgmSwR2> okay
[10:27] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: lets go to #kubuntu
[10:27] <CPrgmSwR2> okay
[10:27] <_StefanS_> CPrgmSwR2: devel is not really the place to discuss this
[10:27] <CPrgmSwR2> thats fine
[10:30] <Riddell> davmor2: pong
[10:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: I accepted them hours ago
[10:32] <davmor2> Riddell: what's the .diff file for?
[10:32] <davmor2> Riddell: nearly testing time too
[10:34] <Riddell> davmor2: for applying to /usr//share/python-support/guidance-backends/displayconfig-restore.py
[10:34] <davmor2> ah okay
[10:36] <_StefanS_> Riddell: is that displayconfig patch related to this question maybe ? : I upgraded kubuntu to gutsy. When I log in with my user, my external monitor is blank. With test user however, whos config files I deleted, the monitor works. Question, which config files do I delete for my user to get the monitor working?
[10:40] <Riddell> _StefanS_: no it's not, and I'm no X guy but I can't imagine why anything in ~ should affect X setup
[10:40] <Riddell> (which isn't to say I don't believe you of course :)
[10:40] <_StefanS_> ah ok
[10:40] <_StefanS_> just seemed related :) - and sorry again for bugging you on and off , and then leaving irc :D
[10:42] <davmor2> Riddell: what does the script do anyway?
[10:43] <Riddell> davmor2: forces the DPI to 96 if it notices a nutty dpi like the intel drive gave you
[10:43] <Riddell> well that's the hope, if you could test that would be lovely
[10:43] <davmor2> I will do as soon as the iso's are up :)  Kub is the desktop I'm testing first :)
[10:44] <Riddell> davmor2: ok, it should be in those ISOs so just let me know if things change
[10:44] <davmor2> okay cool :)
[10:47] <davmor2> Riddell: I'll let you know as soon as I do :)
[12:12] <Riddell> "gutsy-wallpapers - Feisty Wallpapers" spot the mistake
[12:12] <nixternal> -
[12:12] <nixternal> !- :)
[12:16] <_StefanS_> heh