[00:07] <ash_worksi> there used to be a key you could hold down which shows the numbers for applications on the dock
[00:07] <ash_worksi> I thought it might be super since super + N will launch an app at that number; idk if that may have been removed in an upgrade
[00:14] <CorvetteZR1> hello
[00:15] <CorvetteZR1> i just did a minimum install of ubuntu 20.10 and xfce4
[00:16] <CorvetteZR1> everything appears to be working fine, but .svg icons are not displaying in thunar
[00:16] <CorvetteZR1> and in themes that have svg
[00:16] <CorvetteZR1> is there a certain library i need to make it work?
[00:16] <CorvetteZR1> librsvg2 is installed...is there anything else i need?
[00:24] <krytarik> ash_worksi: Yeah, Unity did that, dunno if the new dock running under GNOME Shell does it too though.
[00:31] <ash_worksi> krytarik: drat. Yeah, when I hold super + N the numbers display for a brief period
[00:31] <ash_worksi> which sucks because if I've already picked a number, then it's a bit too late
[00:32] <krytarik> Haha, yep! XD
[00:32] <ash_worksi> tweaking the theme back to ambient is glitchy on 20
[00:35] <ash_worksi> I really gnome extensions didn't need-be installed through a browser
[00:39] <krytarik> Regarding the first, yeah that wouldn't surprise me at all, due to never stopping changes to GTK and those themes not being actively maintained anymore - which was the reason the new community-driven one was brought to life.
[00:45] <ash_worksi> krytarik: so should I _not_ use ambiance ?
[00:45] <krytarik> I wouldn't anymore, yeah.
[00:45] <ash_worksi> but the greys are so soft :(
[00:45] <ash_worksi> jk, I'll make do; BUT!
[00:45] <ash_worksi> there is another theme on tweaks
[00:46] <ash_worksi> awaita?
[00:46] <ash_worksi> Adwaita
[00:46] <ash_worksi> anyway, I am reading several SO questions on how to change the top bar color
[00:46] <krytarik> Yeah, that's GNOME's default theme and therefore safe to pick.
[00:47] <ash_worksi> well, it didn't appear to be the default for me on 20
[00:47] <ash_worksi> the window top bars were all black
[00:47] <krytarik> Because you aren't using stock GNOME.
[00:47] <ash_worksi> I'm not?
[00:48] <ash_worksi> oh, as in, I'm using the ubuntu-configured gnome
[00:48] <krytarik> Yeah.
[00:49] <ash_worksi> ok, well anyway, there's Adwaita (... maybe Yaru's better... debatable for me) and Yaru, basically, and light/dark variants
[00:50] <ash_worksi> on all these SO questions about the top bar, they talk about extracting a css file from the Yaru theme and dropping it in a local directory
[00:50] <ash_worksi> so I thought, "oh interesting, I guess all the themes in tweaks will get their own css here"
[00:50] <ash_worksi> but all I see is Yaru in gnome-shell
[00:50] <ash_worksi> unless... I guess gnome-classic [00:52] <ash_worksi> there's also Radiance
[00:58] <ash_worksi> nvm, I see them all there in /usr/share/themes
[01:03] <krytarik> Yeah, occasionally it helps if you do "dpkg -L" on a package to see what it got.
[01:09] <ash_worksi> wow; it's amazing what a difference having the top bar a different color makes
[01:09] <ash_worksi> it was just... way too black with Yaru
[01:12] <kk4ewt> gordo yes we did
[02:10] <notadeveloper> hi what is a good whiteboarding dates webapp
[02:10] <notadeveloper> you know like the timeline
[02:11] <sarnold> notadeveloper: https://doodle.com/en/ perhaps?
[02:12] <notadeveloper> do you know a free subscription
[02:12] <sarnold> last time I used it I was seriously annoyed at how many bloody clicks it took to do something that felt like it should have been simple
[02:13] <sarnold> actually that reminds me of another service, switching.software: https://switching.software/replace/doodle/
[02:16] <notadeveloper> sarnold do you know a good online course for software engineering pipline? SCRUM WATERFALL AGILE those kinds
[02:18] <sarnold> notadeveloper: I've enjoyed books from these guys, they feel like they'd have something appropriate https://pragprog.com/
[02:23] <notadeveloper> thanks arnold
[02:27] <notadeveloper> sarnold
[02:34] <sarnold> notadeveloper: sure thing :)
[03:06] <xBfrog> i lost wifi app in settings and livepatch won't open what can i do?
[03:07] <xBfrog> i have the driver for wifi downloaded is there any way to install it?
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> anyone noticed 2 bluetooth indicators on ubuntu-desktop 20.04.1 this morning after updates?
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> ok seems like an upgrade glitch, after reboot back to 1 indicator
[05:32] <Bill73> ssh works locally. cannot login to external Ip that is open and forwarded to static IP on lan
[05:33] <lotuspsychje> Bill73: you might wanna try the #openssh or ##networking channel
[05:34] <Bill73> lotuspsychje: ok
[06:54] <tohoyn> Why are Theme-D related packages in groovy not updated for version 3.0.5?
[06:54] <tohoyn> They are version 1.4.1
[06:56] <tohoyn> I'm the upstream maintainer of Theme-D
[06:56] <tohoyn> I also maintain it on Debian
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> tohoyn: talk to the #ubuntu-release crew
[07:12] <catalin> good morning, anyone here using ungoogled-chromium on Ubuntu 20.10? I failed to compile it (actually i didn't understand the compile instructions) and also tried to use a debian sid deb but this depends on libjpeg62-turbo ...
[07:15] <tohoyn> lotuspsuchje: #ubuntu-release is full with some bot messages
[08:34] <guiverc> tohoyn, maybe file a bug to request the package be re-built is an alternative (yes bots can fill some dev rooms)... If you're talking about theme-d-gnome (https://packages.ubuntu.com/groovy/theme-d-gnome) it's a MOTU (community/universe) package; it'll possibly get pushed to hirsute now though, but up to packagers to decide (if they want to SRU it)
[08:36] <lotuspsychje> catalase: is chromium snap what you seek?
[09:32] <Rojola> hi
[09:32] <Rojola> What is the most recommendable software to tag pictures on Linux, but ideally cross-platform?
[09:32] <Rojola> or even web-based but self-hosted
[09:33] <Rojola> I would love for all pictures to be tagged in a way that allows me to find them easily, even in 50 years from now
[09:33] <Rojola> For example:  Location: Paris  / People: Joe, Ann  / Landmark: Eiffel Tower  // Food:  icecream
[09:34] <Rojola> any suggestions?
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> Rojola: just organize them into a decent folder structure? 2020==>OCT==>DAY==>event name?
[09:36] <Maik> digikam maybe?
[09:37] <Maik> available on linux mac and windows
[09:37] <Maik> Rojola: https://www.digikam.org/
[09:38] <rk4> filenames and folders would be my suggestion, simple and reliable, `find` will quickly search it
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> +1 rk4
[09:41] <lotuspsychje> Rojola: f-spot, darktable and shotwell do tagging too
[09:41] <Rojola> thank you all!
[09:41] <Rojola> sorry my notifications for the chat were turned off
[09:41] <Rojola> sorry!
[09:41] <Maik> but are not cross-platform lotuspsychje
[09:41] <Rojola> thank you for responding
[09:42] <Rojola> Maik, actually, yes, you are right... using filenames would be good.
[09:42] <Rojola> the `find` command can then easily find them
[09:42] <Rojola> or "locate"
[09:42] <Rojola> what about meta tags?
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> Maik: agree, digikam is the most cross platform
[09:43] <Rojola> I thought about a mysql DB with the tags
[09:43] <Rojola> the MySQL DB could hold the path to the picture and the ID
[09:43] <Rojola> and a second table contains all tags
[09:43] <Rojola> and a third table connects the tags to the id's
[09:43] <Rojola> that would be future-proof
[09:44] <Rojola> but maybe I could just add EXIF data and search through it?
[09:44] <Maik> darktable is also cross-platform, f-spot and shotwell aren't
[09:45] <Rojola> Maik, the problem is, nobody knows if digikam or darktable will still exist in 50+ years
[09:46] <Rojola> Maik, these baby-pictures and stuff are my memories
[09:46] <lotuspsychje> Rojola: you are making things too complicated then its worth
[09:46] <Rojola> I need to find them when I am old
[09:47] <Maik> Rojola: no body knows if we still exist in 50 years, or linux or windows or mac
[09:47] <Rojola> linux... I am 99% sure linux will survive
[09:47] <rk4> how many photos do you have? i think a csv could be viable for most people rather than a DB
[09:48] <Rojola> rk4, about 40.000
[09:49] <Rojola> rk4, nah, it must be more.
[09:49] <Rojola> rk4, on my current phone alone are 15.000+
[09:49] <Maik> let's hope you got a good backup, cause ssd's and HDD's don't live 50+ years
[09:49] <Rojola> Maik, I consider encrypting them and uplading them to a cloud based service
[09:49]  * rk4 waits for an mdisc rep
[09:49] <Rojola> Maik, but with googles quantum computer... not sure if encryption adds any layer of security
[09:50] <lotuspsychje> Rojola: lets continue this in #ubuntu-discuss
[09:57] <Descriptioned> Hello, my bluetooth mouse takes to long to work when i startup my laptop, any solution?
[10:17] <Descriptioned> Hello, my bluetooth mouse takes to long to work when i startup my laptop, any solution? :'(
[11:20] <c-nister> Hi. Anyone some time left to assist me with troubleshooting my broken boot procedure from my encrypted thumbdrive  ?
[11:22] <zaggynl> howdy, am trying to install ubuntu 20 server, after filling in forms and starting installation the setup appears to restart, I am back at language selection, what gives?
[11:27] <nlyx> i have an issue with hibernation on my laptop running xubuntu 20.04. so hibernation didn't come out of the box, so to enable it, I had to: create a swap  partition with gparted, edit my fstab file to point to that partition, edit my grub config file to be able to resume from that partition, run the update grub command. I may have had to install some package(s) in the middle of that, can't quite remember. Now the issue is that
[11:27] <nlyx> whenever the laptop wakes from hibernation, the only programs which are restored are firefox and the terminal (at least out of the ones I use on a daily basis).
[11:28] <nlyx> software like chrome, vscode, android studio just doesn't open again
[11:29] <nlyx> How can I diagnose this issue?
[11:29] <c-nister> statz from console and  pass either --v or -d or both
[11:29] <c-nister> statz= start
[11:30] <nlyx> is it fine if it's not installed?
[11:30] <c-nister> what is not installed ?
[11:30] <nlyx> the statz package
[11:30] <nlyx> or rather "stat"
[11:30] <c-nister> it is right.
[11:31] <nlyx> oh, it can't find it for some reason
[11:31] <c-nister> no no no, i meant "run those programs from a terminal  with -d -v"
[11:31] <nlyx> Command 'statz' not found, did you mean: "stat" ...
[11:32] <nlyx> and then when I try to install stat(z)
[11:32] <nlyx> E: Unable to locate package statz
[11:32] <nlyx> E: Unable to locate package stat
[11:32] <c-nister> man read properly
[11:33] <Dr_Coke> I'm running Ubuntu 20.04 with Gnome and GDM display manager I would like to get the login and lock screen to change I think it's the GTK to dark from light can anyone help me
[11:33] <Dr_Coke> Is there a way to update the gdm file I forget because I did edit a css file to tell it that but it didn't update maybe because I didn't know the command
[11:34] <nlyx> Dr_Coke search for "LightDM" in the gui
[11:34] <nlyx> there is a gui config menu for the "greeter"
[11:34] <nlyx> c-nister what exactly do you want me to run from the terminal
[11:35] <Dr_Coke> nlyx I don't really like LightDM though
[11:35] <Dr_Coke> Unless I'm running mint
[11:35] <nlyx> oh I see, idk how to change that then
[11:43] <nlyx> so it seems that "sudo pm-hibernate" hibernates everything correctly, but the hibernate option in the power menu produces the behaviour I describe
[11:44] <nlyx> occasionally chrome tells me that it crashed when I resume from hibernation and have to manually re-open it
[11:45] <Guess59061> Looking at sample /etc/grub.d/40_custom entries at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/CustomMenus, what is "set root='(hd0,msdos9)'" supposed to be pointing to, to the disk where the vmlinuz and initrd image are? I.e., the same disk -set=root dbd69ed2-530c-4409-8f5a-a3f1ea41fc67 is the UUID of, and
[11:45] <Guess59061> root=UUID=dbd69ed2-530c-4409-8f5a-a3f1ea41fc67 is?
[11:46] <Guess59061> (I have noticed it's the same UUID, but it's not clear what it's of or anything.)
[11:46] <Maik> zaggynl: server 20 what? 20.04 or 20.10? Here's a guide by the way: https://ubuntu.com/server/docs
[12:05] <imi> hello, can I somehow get a system ID as a regular user?
[12:13] <pagios> hi all, is there a way to copy data from server1 to server2 without copying dta to my local pc? something that gives me visual drag and drop but doesnt download and reupload from pc. just a commander from my pc
[12:18] <jophish> Hi all, I think that the `hpack` package is broken, when I install it it says that it's missing libffi6
[12:21] <mgedmin> pagios: never heard of a visual way to do this, but rsync or scp can do server-to-server copies
[12:23] <pagios> mgedmin: can i use filezilla?
[12:25] <c-nister> nlyx have You made it ?
[12:31] <lotuspsychje> jophish: yes, tested & confirmed hpack: error while loading shared libraries: libffi.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:31] <jophish> glad I'm not going mad!
[12:31] <jophish> thanks
[12:32] <Jorma5> how do I stop all my process from the server im connected to via ssh ? Just my own, im a normal user not sudo
[12:32] <lotuspsychje> jophish: what do you use hpack for exactly?
[12:42] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:43] <wyoung> hi BluesKaj !  How are you this fine evening?
[12:44] <BluesKaj> hi wyoung, heh, having morning coffee
[12:44] <wyoung> BluesKaj: Yum!  I'll be having me some of that in ~8 hours
[13:31] <jophish> lotuspsychje: Haskell development. I use NixOS usually, but I'd like to use hpack on a github action runner, but as discovered it's a little broken
[13:35] <lotuspsychje> jophish: file a new bug, ubuntu-bug hpack and i will affect it too for you
[13:39] <jophish> lotuspsychje: the ubuntu-bug program isn't available on nixos I'm afraid
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> jophish: well, we can only support here on ubuntu im affraid so
[13:40] <jophish> Of course, I'm not expecting support beyond ubuntu, it's simply that I'm not easily able to make a bug
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> jophish: so even if i create the bug, its reccomended you also affect it from an ubuntu machine
[13:40] <jophish> I can do it next time I'm at a ubuntu machin
[13:41] <lotuspsychje> jophish: allrighty, ill file it for you then
[13:41] <jophish> thank you very much
[13:41] <jophish> If you send a link I'll link it to the hpack github repo
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> jophish: bug #1902081
[13:48] <Jorma5> how do I stop all my process from the Ubuntu server im connected to via ssh from terminal ? Just my own, im a normal user not sudo
[13:50] <mgedmin> send it the TERM signal with kill $pid
[13:51] <mgedmin> if you don't know the pid, you can find it with pgrep
[13:51] <mgedmin> (or send the signal in one go with pkill)
[13:51] <dablitz> good morning channel.
[13:52] <jophish> Thanks, lotuspsychje
[13:52] <dablitz> it is taking way to long for my 20.04 to boot, almost 3 minutes. is there anyway I can speed that up
[13:52] <lotuspsychje> dablitz: lets have a look at your systemd-analyze blame in a pastebin
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> jophish: affecting it in left upepr corner will confirm the bug for you
[13:54] <jophish> lotuspsychje: hmm, can't see anything. I guess I have to make an account?
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> jophish: yes, you need a launchpad account
[13:54] <jophish> ok, I've put the word out here: https://github.com/sol/hpack/issues/401
[13:54] <jophish> thanks for all the help, lotuspsychje
[13:54] <dablitz> https://pastebin.com/KCtZ30Kf
[13:55] <lotuspsychje> dablitz: what about systemd-analyze && systemd-analyze critical-chain
[13:57] <dablitz> https://pastebin.com/U9v6MQB5
[13:58] <ufk> after updating from ubuntu 19.10 to 20.04.1 i my production server freeses for like 10 minutes every 20 minutes, i can't ssh or do nothing and i can't understand what takes up all the resources.. how can i check what freezes the server ?
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> dablitz: are you on gnome? using a spinner or an ssd?
[14:00] <dablitz> yes to gnome and SSD
[14:01] <lotuspsychje> dablitz: it looks all pretty sane to me, just userspace looks long to me
[14:01] <dablitz> how to I shorten userspace
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> dablitz: i always install preload haveged stacer, and tweak un needed systemd services & startup programs, in your case you could test boot speed on a new user aswell
[14:03] <dablitz> I know that wait online takes pretty much a fair bit. I do not want to shut it down, just want it to be less time before it gives up.
[14:04] <mgedmin> ufk: any memory pressure?
[14:04] <mgedmin> ufk: install some monitoring tool like collectd or atop, or run vmstat/dstat/sysstat and observe what's happening just before one of the freezes
[14:04] <ufk> no memory pressure
[14:04] <ufk> what's the best console ui to test things ? atop ok ?
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> dablitz: you run samba service too i see?
[14:09] <dablitz> yes
[14:09] <mgedmin> atop or dstat, ufk
[14:09] <ufk> thganks
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> dablitz: all things togheter might give you a bit slower boot
[14:10] <Guess59061> https://termbin.com/qd5s So, what am I doing wrong here with my custom grub menu entry? Also, in grub.cfg I see other menu items; when would they normally show up? Like the... recovery mode etc.
[14:12] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: one for you¨^
[14:12] <Guess59061> I just realized I copied the old 40_custom file at the top; the most recent one can be found below (ctrl-f bbpls).
[14:23] <Guess59061> I realized I could just copy the options already provided by the grub.cfg, with a tiny alteration (the initrd thing, for which I used my own img file), so I'm pretty sure they're syntactically correct (I'm talking about the 40_custom file).
[14:26] <Guess59061> Um..
[14:27] <Guess59061> Actually, lol. I have to apologize; my shift button hasn't been working properly and I've been using an alternative key binding all this time, and I think that didn't trigger the grub menu inside virtualbox. So... everything works.
[14:29] <Guess59061> I learned much more trying to "debug" this, however, so that's nice.
[15:15] <Kingsy> why might this be -> ls: cannot access '/lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2': No such file or directory <- isnt that .so standard on ubuntu ?
[15:16] <ogra> the standard is to have a non-versioned symlink
[15:17] <ogra> $ ls -l /lib/ld-linux.so.2
[15:17] <ogra> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 Aug 17 22:02 /lib/ld-linux.so.2 -> i386-linux-gnu/ld-2.31.so
[15:17] <Kingsy> a binary I have is trying to link to that specifically for its interpreter
[15:17] <ogra> well, then it was not compiled for ubuntu i guess
[15:17] <Kingsy> I don't have that either -> ls: cannot access '/lib/ld-linux.so.2': No such file or directory <-
[15:19] <Kingsy> ogra: ls: cannot access '/lib/i386-linux-gnu/ld-2.31.so': No such file or directory <- or that. is there a package I am missing?
[15:19] <ogra> oh, i totally missed the i386 in there
[15:19] <Kingsy> well
[15:20] <Kingsy> my binary is actually looking for /lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2
[15:21] <ogra> yeah, thats typically in an arch specific subdir
[15:21] <ogra> /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2
[15:21] <ogra> thanks to debians multiarch implementation
[15:22] <Kingsy> looks like its lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 32 Jun  5 15:28 /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 -> /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ld-2.23.so
[15:23] <Kingsy> why would the binary be trying to link to /lib/ instead of /lib64 do you think?
[15:23] <ogra> dunno, how/wheer was it compiled ?
[15:23] <ogra> *where
[15:23] <dbugger> Hi, fellas. I have an issue. My "Settings" window has gotten stuck in "pairing a blueetooth" keyboard, and now it wont close
[15:23] <dbugger> Does anyone know how to force-close it?
[15:24] <ogra> alt+f4 ? ... double click on the close button ... ?
[15:24] <dbugger> ogra, wont do it
[15:24] <Kingsy> ogra: the system that compiled it would determine the path of the interpreter?
[15:25] <ogra> dunno, it looks like the location is hardcoded in your binary
[15:25] <Kingsy> hmmm
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> dbugger: there was blueman applet upgrades this morning, i had a double indicator, a reboot fixed it, maybe related?
[15:25] <Kingsy> I cant imagine that.
[15:25] <dbugger> I was actually using the native bluetooth settings
[15:26] <lotuspsychje> dbugger: check your dpkg logs if nothing blueman updates came in?
[15:26] <Kingsy> ogra: I did ln -s /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 /lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 <- to temp fix the issue, is this really bad? or can I leave it like that for a day or so?
[15:26] <Kingsy> not sure of any knock on effects that might have
[15:29] <ogra> Kingsy, for a day or so is surely fine (if that's the only issue) ... such hacks have the tendency to be forgotten over time though ...
[15:30] <Kingsy> yeah
[15:34] <zaggynl> Maik: 20.04, sorry, thanks for the link
[15:54] <giaco> hello! I've just bought a new 4k monitor for my laptop. I want to use both at the same time, but it seems that the "scaling" option is somehow broken: it changes both screen scales at the same time and so I can't set different scales for each monitor
[16:03] <signofzeta> giaco: I have the same problem.  I don't think Ubuntu supports setting per-monitor scaling.  (I'm in 20.04)
[16:07] <whoever> hi all , I am using locate-mouse to find the mouse  and it is a little on the small size  and the colour is a little pale
[16:10] <ducasse> whoever: try to change the cursor theme
[16:12] <whoever> ducasse: thank you, do you have any suggestions
[16:12] <whoever> the old locate pointer back around version 16 was fine
[16:13] <ose> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/skBP5GvqJF/ so my wired (ethernet) stopped working at some point, I didn't notice immediately because I still have wifi. I see no ethernet in nmcli dev status but I do see the devices in lshw -C network. Any tips what I can do to get it working again?
[16:13] <ducasse> whoever: suggestions on which theme to use? not really, try a few. there are several you can download
[16:14] <whoever>  ok, thank you, I assume you're not one of the devs . are you ?
[16:14] <whoever> ducasse: also is there a way to change what key or keys activate it? currently by default it is only right ctrl
[16:15] <ducasse> not a dev, no
[16:15] <ducasse> try looking at the keyboard shortcut settings in settings/gnome-tweak
[16:19] <whoever> ducasse: I didn't think gnome-tweak was really required
[16:20] <ducasse> it lets you configure settings that gnome itself doesn't give you access to, aiui
[16:21] <giaco> sa
[16:22] <dbugger> Hi again. I have been digging deeper on the bluetooth problem... apparently, doing "bluetoothctl pair [MAC]" will not show me a prompt for the PIN.... Does anyone have an idea why that could be?
[16:22] <giaco> signofzeta: this is really a bad news
[16:22] <giaco> thanks for the feedback
[16:23] <whoever> ducasse:  thank you
[16:23] <whoever> will give it  a go after class
[16:23] <ducasse> whoever: i assume there are cursor themes on gnome-look.org etc
[16:32] <TJ-> dbugger: did you set "default-agent", "agent on"
[16:33] <whoever> how can  I change my sound card I can't find acound conf
[16:35] <dbugger> TJ-, i was just doing that
[16:36] <dbugger> i tried both, and still i get no pairing code...
[16:36] <dbugger> i tried setting the agent off and on, and pairing didnt give me any code
[16:36] <dbugger> I also tried "default-agent", same problem
[16:36] <TJ-> dbugger:  maybe try "agent KeyboardOnly"
[16:36] <jaydemir> question in regards to file creation via terminal. I'm running command $ odp2txt in.odp > out.txt. I want to run this in a folder with hundreds of odp files, so ideally I'd like to do "$odp2txt *.odp > *.txt" to do all the files at once, but that command doesn't work. is there an easy way I can make the output filename dynamically match the input
[16:36] <jaydemir> filename?
[16:37] <TJ-> dbugger: is the device that is trying to pair reported as found during discovery and have you tried a 'connect <MAC address>' ?
[16:37] <jaydemir> the error I get is -bash: *.txt: ambiguous redirect
[16:37] <arch-nemesis> jaydemir: I think you might want a for loop
[16:38] <dbugger> TJ-, both "connect" and "trust" work
[16:38] <TJ-> jaydemir: "find . -type f -name '*.odp' -exec odp2txt {} {}.txt \;  "
[16:39] <dbugger> TJ-, KeyboardOnly didnt seem to do anything
[16:39] <TJ-> dbugger: hmmm, could it be a bluetooth version issue, e.g. 3.0, 4.0, 5.0 and issues with LE devices ?
[16:39] <TJ-> dbugger: what is the device you're trying to pair?
[16:39] <dbugger> TJ-, no idea... could it be possible that I have no agent?
[16:39] <dbugger> TJ-, Logitech MX Keys
[16:39] <TJ-> dbugger: "default-agent" makes bluetoothctl the agent; "agent X" tells it what kind of agent to be
[16:40] <jaydemir> do I have to add anything to that loop?
[16:40] <dbugger> TJ-, I do not know if this is relevant, but I do not seem to have a command "bluetooth-agent" in my shell. Could that be the issue?
[16:40] <TJ-> dbugger: so the keyboard would usually expect you to type the passcode too
[16:41] <arch-nemesis> jaydemir: if you do the `find` command TJ suggested, you don't need a for loop, that should work.
[16:41] <TJ-> jaydemir: the find command I gave you will find all .odp files in the current directory (".") and all sub-directories, and for each one run the command 'odp2txt {filename.opd} {filename.odp}.txt'  - my command IS NOT correct for your exact requirement it needs modifying if we know more aobut your scenario
[16:42] <jaydemir> I might actually need the loop, it seemed to append all the odp files into one txt flie
[16:42] <dbugger> TJ-, this is the output I get: https://pastebin.com/raw/6SverJ38
[16:42] <jaydemir> basically I'll have all my odp files in one directory (1.odp, 2.odp, ...n.odp) and I want to convert each one into a .txt file with matching names
[16:43] <jaydemir> so I'll end up with (1.odp, 1.txt, 2.odp, 2.txt... n.odp, n.txt)
[16:43] <TJ-> jaydemir: is it definitely 'odp2txt' you want to tun, not 'odt2txt' ?
[16:43] <jaydemir> yes, these are coming off slideshows
[16:43] <dreamscape> Hi all just installed nvidia drivers to my new pc with a gt 1030 but im getting Fatal server error
[16:44] <jaydemir> the command works, I just want to script it to do them all automatically
[16:44] <dreamscape> (EE) no screens found (EE)
[16:44] <TJ-> jaydemir: ahhh, yes, odt2txt is a multi-call binary that can also be called as odp2txt
[16:44] <arch-nemesis> since I suck at find, I'd do it like this:   for i in {1..10}; do odp2txt "$i.odp" > "$i.txt"; done
[16:46] <whoever> on 20.04 with ALSA audio, how do I change the source in termial. there doesn't seem to be asoundcon8f in the repos and f6 in alsamixer isn't staying
[16:46] <arch-nemesis> also, make sure you make a backup of those odp files before trying any command you see from weirdos in IRC :)
[16:46] <TJ-> jaydemir: this will only do the current directory, and it'll create 1 output file per input file:  "find . -maxdepth 1 -type f -name '*.odp' -exec odp2txt {} --output={}.txt \;  "
[16:47] <TJ-> dbugger: "Failed to pair: org.bluez.Error.AuthenticationCanceled" occurs because just beforehand "[CHG] Device CB:DD:B4:5C:4E:E3 Connected: no"
[16:47] <boodllebat> Hi guys. I recently upgraded to ubuntu 20.04.1 and my wifi keeps disconnecting after some time. This never happened with my privious distro. My wifi product is : Intel Wireless 3160
[16:47] <TJ-> dbugger: so I think the pairing fails due to the connection dropping before it can complete
[16:48] <TJ-> dbugger: silly question but... have you tried turning them off and on again!? (both bluetooth on the PC and the keyboard)
[16:49] <TJ-> boodllebat: check the log for clues "journalctl -b 0 -u NetworkManager -n 500" for the last 500 lines
[16:49] <jaydemir> thanks TJ- that last command did exactly what I had in mind. The For loop worked well too, but it created txt files for missing ODPs
[16:49] <dbugger> TJ-, I think the keyboard just happened to go out of pairing mode. I tried it again. Look: https://pastebin.com/raw/C8k724te
[16:50] <TJ-> dbugger: check the logs "journalctl -u bluetooth -n 50"
[16:51] <boodllebat> TJ-: most of the lines say `connection disconnected (reason -4)` or `connection disconnected (reason -3)`
[16:51] <TJ-> dbugger: also, in case the kernel is reporting something, "journalctl -k -n 50"
[16:52] <dbugger> TJ-, it seems to say... "No cache for [MAC]"
[16:52] <dbugger> TJ-, here you have: https://pastebin.com/raw/s92XF36q
[16:53] <dbugger> TJ-, and yes, I have tried turning it off and on again :)
[16:53] <boodllebat> TJ-: reason -4 is most common
[16:53] <TJ-> dbugger: those errors, if I'm looking in the correct place: "EINTR            4      /* Interrupted system call */" and "ESRCH            3      /* No such process */" (error numbers are made negative when passed around)
[16:54] <TJ-> oops, ^^^ for boodllebat
[16:54] <dbugger> TJ-, oh wait, it came up!
[16:54] <TJ-> dbugger: YAY!
[16:55] <dbugger> TJ-, no wait, not so fast
[16:55] <TJ-> NOYAY!
[16:55] <dbugger> TJ-, turning both off... turning keyboard on FIRST and then bluetooth SECOND, it did give me a PIN
[16:55] <dbugger> but... even though I type the pin... it is not accepting it :/
[16:56] <boodllebat> TJ-: when i restart network manager it works for sometime and then keeps disconnecting. If you google other people are also facing same issue should i upgrade to 2.10
[16:56] <TJ-> dbugger: sounds familiar... there are two ways of passing a PIN... one is called "Legacy" and the other 'passcode' or somesuch. Is the keyboard old or new? I've been caught out by nice old-fashioned apple metal keyboards only doing Legacy and causing issues
[16:57] <dbugger> TJ-, the keyboard is new
[16:57] <TJ-> boodllebat: check the kernel log for indications of hardware or driver issues: "journalctl -k | grep iwl"
[16:57] <TJ-> dbugger: OK, so likely not using Legacy then
[16:57] <dbugger> Is there maybe some way to input the PIN from the wired keyboard?
[16:57] <boodllebat> TJ-: it  is full of "iwlwifi 0000:03:00.0: No beacon heard and the time event is over already..."
[16:58] <TJ-> dbugger: can you show me "pastebinit <( journalctl -b 0 -n 250)"
[16:59] <dbugger> TJ-, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/x7nXkGRbMj/
[17:01] <TJ-> boodllebat: maybe there's a kernel module PARaMater that might help. See "modinfo -F parm iwlwifi"
[17:02] <TJ-> dbugger: have you been toggling the RF radio kill switch/key?
[17:02] <dbugger> TJ-, the what??
[17:02] <TJ-> dbugger: the log shows lots of unexpected RF Kill Switch activity - think 'aeroplane mode' = turns off the radio transmitters
[17:03] <dbugger> no really idea of how would I even do that..
[17:03] <TJ-> dbugger: devices are required to have one, so PCs either have a real hardware switch or a hotkey sequence on the keyboard to do it. You can check it with "rfkill list"
[17:04] <TJ-> dbugger: you've got the desktop/GUI "Blueman" manager running as well as bluetoothctl?
[17:04] <dbugger> TJ-, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rzB9KK2mqp/
[17:04] <dbugger> Yes i do
[17:04] <dbugger> Should I quite it?
[17:04] <dbugger> *quit
[17:05] <TJ-> dbugger: in that output, hci0 is the "Human Computer Interface", hard block is set by a physical/hot-key whilst soft block is set by software
[17:05] <TJ-> dbugger: it would be good to use only one at a time; since they'll both try to register an agent
[17:05] <dbugger> TJ-, I just tried again with bluemon gone. I still get the same problem
[17:06] <dbugger> do you want again the last log you asked me?
[17:06] <Speiros> Hi all. Can someone please re-guide me to the place to get an epson printer/scanner driver for Ubuntu? The printer is wf2830, and I didn't get it working last time, but I did get the scanner working, through a driver. I can't find the link to the similar driver on their site any more though. It appears they've gone anti-Linux.
[17:06] <TJ-> dbugger: no, I'm still reading :)
[17:06] <TJ-> dbugger: this may be a clue "17:40:48 mercury kernel: Bluetooth: hci0: corrupted ACL packet"
[17:07] <dbugger> TJ-, no idea what that can mean...
[17:09] <TJ-> dbugger: I think ACL == Asynchronous Connection-Less - a general data packet
[17:10] <TJ-> dbugger: BT operates in the same 2.4GHz radio band as 802.11b/g/n Wifi, baby monitors, wireless CCTV, door-bells, microwave ovens and more... so this could be caused by powerful local radio transmitters, including the wifi in the PC, phones nearby, and more
[17:11] <TJ-> dbugger: what is the PC make/model? "journalctl -k | grep 'DMI:' "
[17:11] <dbugger> Mmm... I have a Logitech Unifying Receiver attached to the PC too
[17:11] <dbugger> Should I maybe remove it?
[17:12] <dbugger> I think it also works in 2.4
[17:12] <TJ-> dbugger: worth a try!
[17:12] <dbugger> Lets see...
[17:12] <TJ-> dbugger: this is a long shot but I've seen several issues like this
[17:13] <dbugger> TJ-, if I do it, I cant use the mouse... can you tell me the command to turn bluetooth off and on with the terminal? =P
[17:14] <TJ-> dbugger: and here's another option... a bug report I worked on when getting a similar issue. See my comment #29 for a possible workaround https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/1490347
[17:15] <TJ-> dbugger: in bluetoothctl type "help"  --- e.g. "power on/off"
[17:15] <dbugger> TJ-, no, that didnt do it... could I have the bluetooth dongle too close to the wifi card?
[17:16] <TJ-> dbugger: I think it's unlikely so out this RF interfence on the back-burner
[17:16] <TJ-> dbugger: take a look at that comment #29 of mine
[17:17] <dbugger> TJ-, you mean those 9 step ?
[17:18] <Belial> "/quit
[17:19] <TJ-> dbugger: yeah, in that the key thing is to initiate the pairing from the keyboard, not the PC
[17:20] <dbugger> TJ-, how do you start the pairing from a keyboard that is not connected...? I dont understand
[17:21] <TJ-> dbugger: put it into pairing mode and then type a PIN code which should be prompted for by the PC
[17:22] <TJ-> dbugger: on that Apple keyboard of mine I had to type the PIN on the numeric keypad AND press the keypad's Enter key to be successful - only took me 2 years to figure that out :D
[17:23] <TJ-> dbugger: notice how in my comment I started the 'connect XX:XX...' operation in bluetoothctl just before typing the PIN on the keyboard
[17:23] <dbugger> TJ-, on step 6 you say "CONNECT to the BT keyboard" and in step 7 you say "Type the PIN"
[17:23] <dbugger> but there is no PIN from just connecting... did you mean "pair"?
[17:24] <TJ-> dbugger: look at the actual output I included - the pairing succeeds, initiated from the keyboard. There is no need to initiate it from the PC
[17:25] <dbugger> TJ-, I am seeing your log. But it is weird. You get a PIN, after "connect MAC", I do not
[17:25] <dbugger> I only get a PIN after "pair MAC"
[17:25] <dbugger> But let me try again from the start
[17:26] <TJ-> dbugger: my point is you don't need to do "pair MAC" *IF* you just type a PIN on the keyboard which, if it is in pairing mode, will then send that to the PC which'll ask you to enter it to confirm they match
[17:27] <TJ-> dbugger: you're typing the PIN on the bluetooth keyboard that is in pairing mode of course
[17:28] <dbugger> TJ-, it is definitely behaving different for me. I do not get a PIN after I "connect MAC"... I dont know why
[17:29] <dbugger> TJ-, you think that is because I am not initializing the pairing from the keyboard?
[17:29] <TJ-> dbugger: it is a possibility - we have no clues from the logs so got to experiment!
[17:32] <dbugger> TJ-, yeah, I am not getting the PIN number just from "connect MAC" :/
[17:33] <TJ-> dbugger: no you won't; that only happens AFTER typing a PIN on the keyboard when it is in pairing mode, which causes it to send a pairing request to the PC, which responds by asking you for the PIN
[17:34] <dbugger> wait wiat
[17:34] <TJ-> dbugger: your MX may be different but as I've hit that issue it is possible other devices need the same sequence
[17:34] <dbugger> so I have to: 1) turn on BT keyboard 2) Set pair mode 3) Type a PIN
[17:35] <dbugger> and the try the "connect MAC" in the PC?
[17:35] <TJ-> dbugger: not quite... 2.5) type "connect MAC" in bluetoothctl
[17:36] <TJ-> dbugger: if you're lucky the MX will send the pairing request to the PC which will then 4) Request PIN code
[17:36] <dbugger> Ohhh, I think I understand
[17:36] <dbugger> Let me try...
[17:37] <dbugger> Not working...
[17:37] <dbugger> So, in step 3, I am the one actually deciding that the PIN should be?
[17:37] <TJ-> dbugger: correct
[17:38] <TJ-> usually 4 to 6 digits then press Enter
[17:38] <dbugger> Well, it does not seem to be working... I am setting a 6-number PIN, and it is not sending it :/
[17:38] <TJ-> dbugger: does the keyboard have a numeric keypad?
[17:39] <felixi> to which package mail command belongs to?
[17:39] <TJ-> dbugger: I found that it was VERY important after each attempt to "remove MAC" to clear the saved device details
[17:40] <dbugger> Yeah, I am doing that
[17:40] <dbugger> TJ-, yes it does. I am using the numeric pad
[17:41] <dbugger> TJ-, nah... nothing... the Keyboard is not sending any pairing request :/
[17:41] <TJ-> dbugger: OK, try using the main keyboard num-keys and Enter key instead, just in case
[17:41] <dbugger> ok
[17:41] <TJ-> dbugger: OK, so possibly not the cause if this isn't helping, in which case I'm out of ideas for now! Does the keyboard pair with other devices OK?
[17:43] <dbugger> nothing...
[17:43] <dbugger> TJ-, yes, it does par with a laptop I have just fine
[17:45] <dbugger> It shouldnt be this hard...
[17:46] <dbugger> I might have to give up on bluetooth, and use its frigging Unifying receiver
[17:46] <peter22222> hi folks... is there a way to prevent guest mode users from shutting down the system?
[17:50] <dbugger> Ok, I give up
[17:50] <dbugger> TJ-, thanks for the help anyway
[17:50] <dbugger> +100 karma for you
[17:50] <TJ-> dbugger: good luck with it!
[17:53] <rfm> peter22222, it's controlled in polkit somewhere. the authorization stems from being on the console, so even if you did change it, they could still log out and shut down from the login screen, or just use the power button...
[17:53] <TJ-> dbugger: comment #5 is similar to what we did earlier but different enough to be worth trying https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=249637
[17:57] <peter22222> rfm thank you. log out and shutdown or power button would not be a problem. I m using xfce4. is there a way to edit the "shut down" buttons?
[17:58] <dbugger> TJ-, nothing. Keeps ignoring me, when I type the PIN and press ENTER
[17:58] <whoever> hi all with alsa audio how do I change my audio F6 won't keep or change and I can't find asoundconf . can someone assist
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> peter22222: whats your endgoal with all this, are you looking for some sort of kiosk mode?
[18:01] <peter22222> lotuspsychje i like to run kind of a terminal-PC in guest mode, so you can just go there and browser the internet and when you finish you just turn off the screen instead of shutting down..
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> peter22222: yeah, that sounds like a kiosk mode, there are a few packages for that on the repos/snaps you can try
[18:08] <javi404> gparted still doesn't work, or doesn't install correctly on this system.
[18:09] <javi404> xrandr also doesn't work
[18:09] <javi404> im at a loss, and confimed im using Xorg not Wayland
[18:10] <DanDev> Can i use KDE Plasma in Ubuntu?
[18:23] <krytarik> DanDev: Of course, either by using Kubuntu right away, or by installing just the relevant Plasma packages.
[18:50] <do0> so website says 1.1.6-1 for https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/fdroidserver, but apt install fdroidserver gets 1.0.9-1
[18:50] <do0> i did run apt update first
[18:54] <Maik> do0: 1.0.9-1 is Ubuntu 18.04
[18:54] <do0> i'm running ubuntu:latest in docker, isn't that supposed to be... well... latest?
[18:56] <Maik> what does lsb_release -a say
[18:56] <do0> lsb_release doesn't exist. it's a docker container.
[18:57] <Maik> not familiar with that, sorry
[18:57] <do0> that shouldn't be causing any issues
[18:59] <krytarik> Just look at your '/etc/apt/sources.list'
[19:01] <do0> bionic,  bionic-updates
[19:10] <whoever> gnome-tweak doesn't seem to have any themes for mouse , not does Ubuntu 20.04, unless I am looking in the wrong place . I am trying to edit accessability locate mouse feature
[19:10] <whoever> can someone assist
[19:15] <jak2000> hi all how to use rsync for sync: /home/jak/ftp to /otherdirectory/ftp
[19:16] <leftyfb> jak2000: did you look at the man page or any online tutorials?
[19:20] <jak2000> yes
[19:20] <leftyfb> jak2000: which tutorial did you use and what have you tried?
[19:21] <leftyfb> jak2000: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-rsync-to-sync-local-and-remote-directories-on-a-vps   first result on google for "how to rsync"
[19:21] <jak2000> all tutorials say: rsync -zavh /home/pkumar /opt/backup
[19:22] <leftyfb> jak2000: ok? Did you try it?
[19:23] <jak2000> testing
[19:23] <jak2000> running with sudo
[19:25] <jak2000> mmm not installed rsync..
[19:25] <jak2000> jo jo
[19:25] <jak2000> apt install rsync
[19:26] <leftyfb> jak2000: feel free to ask for help when you come across an issue you cannot find an answer to. No need to post about your ongoing progress
[20:04] <RoadRunner> need a recommendation for a pdf app: needs to combine images into pdf and allow to import a signature into a form
[20:07] <Maik> libreoffice maybe
[20:08] <RoadRunner> sure it has these 2 features?
[20:09] <g3poandlsl> RoadRunner, MasterPDF
[20:09] <g3poandlsl> if you can find a download link for version 4, it's free for non-commercial use with no watermark
[20:10] <TJ-> MasterPDF is worth paying for as well
[20:10] <g3poandlsl> version 5 puts a watermark on everything (in the free version) unfortunately
[20:10] <RoadRunner> g3poandlsl: it has those two features for sure?
[20:10] <TJ-> RoadRunner: yes
[20:10] <g3poandlsl> RoadRunner, yes
[20:11] <Ruud> Weird issue. We have 2 LANs: 10.x and 192.x. I have VM's running in 10.x. On a VM with ubuntu 20.04 I did an apt upgrade. Suddenly the VM can't reach anything on 192.x anymore
[20:11] <Ruud> From my laptop, in 192.x, I can't ssh to the server anymore. I can still ssh to another server in 10.x and from that server ssh to the upgraded host.
[20:11] <Ruud> From the upgraded host, ping to a 192.x address gives 'network unreachable'
[20:11] <Ruud> What can it be?
[20:11] <jonecir> Hello folks: I recently upgraded to Ubuntu 20.04 and today when I launched PHPMyAdmin I've got the following error: "the mysqli extension is missing. please check your php configuration"
[20:11] <jonecir> I followed some tutorial on how to enable it, but no success, still same error
[20:12] <TJ-> Ruud: check the routing table; sounds like it is missing a route for <IP_ADDRESS>/16 or whatever
[20:12] <RoadRunner> TJ-: were you reffering to libreoffice or to MasterPDF?
[20:12] <TJ-> RoadRunner: MasterPED
[20:12] <TJ-> oops, MasterPDF
[20:12] <Ruud> Thanks TJ- I'll see how to do that
[20:12] <TJ-> Ruud: "ip route show"
[20:13] <RoadRunner> g3poandlsl: don't think I saw Master PDF in Snap store... could you suggest a place/link for ver 4?
[20:14] <g3poandlsl> RoadRunner, I don't know if the company's site still has public links to v4. https://code-industry.net/masterpdfeditor/
[20:14] <g3poandlsl> as TJ mentioned, MasterPDF is certainly worth paying for
[20:15] <RoadRunner> thank's I'll look into it; as a back up, any suggestions for a free app just for signature import?
[20:17] <Ruud> TJ- I see a lot with ip route show, because this is a docker host. But I am missing a line which is present on another host: default via <IP_ADDRESS> dev ens160 proto dhcp src <IP_ADDRESS> metric 100 How do I get that added to the routing table?
[20:18] <TJ-> Ruud: are these systems using systemd-networkd to manage the network ?
[20:18] <TJ-> Ruud: possibly with its config generated by netplan via files in /etc/netplan/
[20:20] <Ruud> TJ- Ahh it worked with 'ip route add default via <IP_ADDRESS> ....' etc. Replacing ens160 and src IP with appropriate values
[20:21] <Ruud> Super, thanks for pointing me in the direction of the routing table! Never too old to learn
[20:22] <TJ-> Ruud: that won't hold after a reboot though; the default gateway should be set in the config
[20:25] <Ruud> Ahh
[20:36] <RoadRunner> g3poandlsl: found a link for MasterPDF ver 4: https://www.linuxuprising.com/2019/04/download-master-pdf-editor-4-for-linux.html but when try to install (Software Instal) in Ubuntu Software window get: "Failed to install file: not supported". [I am running 20.04]
[20:39] <SlaSerX> !help
[20:40] <SlaSerX> !patience
[20:40] <SlaSerX> !help ssh
[20:40] <SlaSerX> !help db
[20:41] <krytarik> SlaSerX: ...Need help? >_<
[20:46] <petester> Hi, I think I'm having some trouble with my video drivers.  Whether I use NVidia or Nouveou the computer will freeze in about 1 minute after logging in
[20:46] <petester> if I ctrl-alt-fkey to another terminal instead of logging in then nothing freezes
[20:46] <petester> But if I log in, and then ctrl-alt-fkey to another terminal, it will still freeze
[20:47] <petester> I'm hoping somebody here knows how to deal with these problems?
[20:48] <petester> I tried looking at xorg logs, but I don't see anything that says 'error'
[20:49] <petester> i'm not sure where else i could look
[20:56] <Neffscape> Good evening everybody. I have a question. After the last upgrade from 20.04 to 20.10, my customized dark shell theme, is showing a white box in the notification panel (where the "today" events are shown. I think I could manually modify the theme, but I can't figure out by myself how to change the style of this element of the theme. Where can I find a documentation to do it?
[21:11] <jonecir> Hello folks. I upgraded to Ubuntu 20.04. Command: php -v shows I have 7.4.11. Launching phpinfo.php shows in the first line: "PHP Version 7.3.23-4+ubuntu18.04.1+deb.sury.org+1"
[21:20] <Deano59> jonecir: you probably have the old one installed, remove it and try to install it again.
[21:20] <Deano59> or --reinstall
[21:20] <Deano59> did you upgrade *everything* ?
[21:22] <jonecir> Deano59: yes I did a complete upgrade on my system
[21:22] <tomreyn> jonecir: you have php installed form a PPA which uses different package names and provides different versions than ubuntu itself.
[21:24] <jonecir> tomreyn: I tried to install php, mysql, apache but then the system says I have the latest installed
[21:25] <jonecir> tomreyn: I figured this because my phpmyadmin is not running: "the mysqli extension is missing. please check your php configuration"
[21:25] <tomreyn> do you intend to use the ppa, or not?
[21:25] <jonecir> tomreyn: I'm not sure what you mean by using ppa
[21:26] <tomreyn> !ppa
[21:26] <tomreyn> you configured your system to use this ppa https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/ubuntu/php?field.series_filter=focal
[21:26] <tomreyn> we can't know why you did so, but you should know.
[21:27] <jonecir> tomreyn: I also have no idea how and why I did this
[21:27] <jonecir> tomreyn: is there a  way to get rid of it?
[21:27] <tomreyn> i'm sorry to hear that you apply changes to your computer that you do not understand, that's undesirable.
[21:28] <tomreyn> you can use ppa-purge to remove a ppa and packages installed form it
[21:28] <tomreyn> !ppa-purge
[21:28] <tomreyn> or you can keep using it if you prefer. but ubuntu 20.04 also provides php 7.4, so i guess you don't need the ppa.
[21:29] <tomreyn> unless it provides packages which are not available in ubuntu
[21:29] <tomreyn> https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/php
[21:29] <jonecir> tomreyn: as I told before, executing php -v it shows I have 7.4.11
[21:29] <tomreyn> php version 7.4 is what ubuntu 20.04 provides
[21:30] <jonecir> but on phpinfo.php it shows "PHP Version 7.3.23-4+ubuntu18.04.1+deb.sury.org+1"
[21:30] <tomreyn> yes, the php CLI variant executes php 7.4.11 on your system, because you installed it from ubuntu's repositories
[21:31] <tomreyn> and the php-sapi/cgi/fpm/... variant executes php 7.3.23 which you have installed (as package 7.3) from the given ppa
[21:31] <tomreyn> *package php7.3
[21:32] <RoadRunner> any idea why MasterPDF Editor 4 doesn't see jpg's made by iPhone 4 (OS 7.1.2)?
[21:32] <tomreyn> if you run    apt policy php php7.3 php7.4    this will show where each package was installed from
[21:33] <jonecir> tomreyn: php:  Installed: 2:7.4+79+ubuntu18.04.1+deb.sury.org+3  Candidate: 2:7.4+79+ubuntu18.04.1+deb.sury.org+3  Version table: *** 2:7.4+79+ubuntu18.04.1+deb.sury.org+3 100        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status     2:7.4+75 500        500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal/main amd64 Packages        500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal/main
[21:33] <jonecir> i386 Packagesphp7.3:  Installed: 7.3.23-4+ubuntu18.04.1+deb.sury.org+1  Candidate: 7.3.23-4+ubuntu18.04.1+deb.sury.org+1  Version table: *** 7.3.23-4+ubuntu18.04.1+deb.sury.org+1 100        100 /var/lib/dpkg/statusphp7.4:  Installed: 7.4.11-6+ubuntu18.04.1+deb.sury.org+1  Candidate: 7.4.11-6+ubuntu18.04.1+deb.sury.org+1  Version table: ***
[21:33] <jonecir> 7.4.11-6+ubuntu18.04.1+deb.sury.org+1 100        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status     7.4.3-4ubuntu2.4 500        500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal-updates/main amd64 Packages        500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal-updates/main i386 Packages        500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal-security/main amd64 Packages        500
[21:33] <jonecir> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal-security/main i386 Packages     7.4.3-4ubuntu1 500        500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal/main amd64 Packages        500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal/main i386 Packages
[21:33] <tomreyn> !paste | jonecir
[21:34] <tomreyn> i will just try to ignore the mess above. post to the pastebin if you want soemone to read it.
[21:34] <jonecir> ubottu: thanks
[21:35] <jonecir> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PCBKxdf2KW/
[21:36] <tomreyn> https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/php-cli
[21:36] <tomreyn> this or php7.4-cli will be the one you have installed from ubuntu repositories
[21:38] <jonecir> tomreyn: can you help me fix the "the mysqli extension is missing. please check your php configuration"
[21:38] <jonecir> tomreyn: I cannot launch the PHPMyAdmin
[21:41] <tomreyn> jonecir: i tired to explain the root cause. you have parts of two different distrobutions og php installed. this channel supports no PPAs, only the software which comes with ubuntu. in Ubuntu 20.04, there is one PHP version available, which is php 7.4.x. you should make a choice as which PHP distribution you would like to use, since mixing the one from the sury PPA and the one from ubuntu proper is not going to work.
[21:41] <tomreyn> once you made this decision, you should remove the other distribution, and then install any pending or missing php packages from the distribution you chose to keep.
[21:42] <jonecir> tomreyn: I understand. I'm fine using the 7.4.11 from 20.04.
[21:42] <tomreyn> tired -> tried (but I'm tired, too)
[21:43] <tomreyn> jonecir: so then you want to remove the PPA and remove packages installed from this PPA. how do you remove a PPA and remove all packages from said PPA?
[21:44] <tomreyn> jonecir: if you don't know, scroll up and read again what ubottu told you.
[21:44] <jonecir> tomreyn: I will try that. Thank you very much for your help.
[21:45] <tomreyn> jonecir: you're welcome, also to ask for more assitence here if this is not working out for somereasons or you have more questions about it.
[21:46] <RoadRunner> Why can't MasterPDF Editor 4 see jpg's made by iPhone 4 (OS 7.1.2) or iPhone 6 (OS 8.1.2)?
[21:50] <sarnold> RoadRunner: my wild guess is that masterpdf doesn't do libheif
[21:59] <RoadRunner> sarnold: what's libheif?
[22:00] <sarnold> RoadRunner: it's a library that supports the new image format used by some newer phones
[22:00] <RoadRunner> sarnold: but iPhone 4 is OLD...
[22:04] <sarnold> RoadRunner: ah, then perhaps it's another file format that's missing, perhaps jpeg2000?
[22:05] <kostkon> RoadRunner, maybe it only accepts cmyk images
[22:09] <RoadRunner> any suggestions for quick image conversion?
[22:10] <sarnold> graphics magick perhaps?
[22:15] <RoadRunner> I already got gimp installed, the question is into which format of jpg to convert to have a reliable and universaly usable result?
[22:47] <RoadRunner> in case anyone's interested, the problem is solved by exporting the image in gimp as a "jpeg". In image metadata, 2 field are changed in the Exif tag: "Exif.Image.ExifTag" and "Exif.Image.Software"
[22:48] <RoadRunner> Exif.Image.Software field is changed from Apple OS's version to Gimp's version
[23:02] <courrier> Does anyone know how to build custom images for multipass?
[23:24] <wyoung> Leeloo Dallas multipass?
[23:45] <ComputerTech> good day guys
[23:45] <ComputerTech> https://dpaste.com/AHUWGB22G
[23:45] <ComputerTech> any ideas how to fix this?


[00:00] <foxbuntu> tgm4883, libvdpau1 is not a wrapper it is the correct package going forward with the 190+ nvidia drivers
[00:00] <tgm4883> foxbuntu, ok, thats what I thought, but I wasn't sure
[00:01] <foxbuntu> tgm4883, however if you are going to use libvdpau1 an the nvidia 195 drivers you need to use the myth in the ppa built against libvdpau1
[00:13] <foxbuntu> alright tgm4883
[00:13] <foxbuntu> fix it
[00:21] <hipitihop> which log should I check to see why mythgallery plugin fails to install via control centre. It doesn't give an error and appears to go through the motions but when complete, the gallery plugging is left unticked in control center
[00:22] <foxbuntu> hipitihop, /var/log/dpkg.log
[00:23] <mrand> hipitihop: I'm leaving my desk right now, but perhaps try running MCC from the command line.
[00:30] <hipitihop> foxbuntu, nope, nothing in there
[00:31] <hipitihop> foxbuntu, last entry 21 Jan
[00:37] <hipitihop> mrand, done that via ssh, no difference.
[00:39] <hipitihop> mrand, trying manually via apt-get install mythgallery
[07:53] <ripperda> hmm, interesting. playing a movie (Alien) back via iso scales to fit the full screen, whereas playing back an encoded mp4 plays back as letterboxed
[09:36] <hipitihop> mrand, btw, manual install worked. hmm
[12:23] <mrand> tgm4883: adsense doesn't look like it is showing up anywhere on the site
[13:16] <Daviey> Hi JamieBennett!
[13:18] <JamieBennett> Hi Daviey !
[13:19] <Daviey> JamieBennett: I wasn't aware you were running mythtv..  How is it treating you?
[13:19] <JamieBennett> I was, took a break from it and now I'll be getting a lot more involved :)
[13:20] <Daviey> super \o/
[15:59] <tgm4883`> mrand, wrong channel
[17:15] <javatexan> for some reason, when I updated from 8.10 to 9.10, my vnc server seems to be updating very slowly, am I missing some sort of configuration?
[17:16] <javatexan> i can see that x11vnc is running at terminal
[17:17] <javatexan> where do I find the config for that?
[17:18] <javatexan> all I can find is ~/.vnc/passwd
[17:20] <mrand> javatexan: I don't know if many of the people that hang out here use vnc.  I use NX.    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1097683 or searching the forum for x11vnc slow refresh or update might turn up other things... or you could try asking on #ubuntu
[17:20] <Zinn> [ubuntuforums.org] [ubuntu] Why is X11VNC incredibly slow on a gigabit lan? - Ubuntu Forums
[17:22] <javatexan> I just installed it via the mythbuntu control panel, so I thought it might be widely used...sorry, my bad
[17:23] <mrand> No problem at all... if you find something that be improved in that regard, be sure to open a ticket with launchpad.
[17:23] <mrand> s/with/on
[17:24] <javatexan> is nx part of ubuntu?
[17:25] <javatexan> or can you get it via software sources?
[17:25] <mrand> javatexan:  ubuntu has some packages.  Or you can use the free (but closed) version from NX company
[17:26] <javatexan> k...thanks...wow, didn't know that existed... ;)  Learn something new everyday
[17:27] <mrand> google has a free server.
[17:27] <mrand> lunch time bbl
[21:50] <darthanubis> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1035249
[21:50] <Zinn> [ubuntuforums.org] Transcode (Errored: Thu Jan 8, 2009, 01:13 AM) exit status 139, job status was "Runni - Ubuntu Forums
[21:50] <darthanubis> I have the same problem with a recording.
[21:51] <darthanubis> I've seen this before but it has been so long ago, I don't remember what I did to resolve the issue.
[22:11] <florin_> sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database
[22:12] <florin_> Failed to create or modify database (incorrect admin username/password?)
[22:13] <florin_> but I just get that error again. suggestions?
[22:14] <florin_> I tried to remove the mysql root password. did not help
[22:14] <florin_> tried to mess with /var/cache/debconf/passwords.dat. did not help
[22:15] <florin_> whatever mythtv-database is doing while it's "configured", how can I just do that manually?
[22:22] <tgm4883`> !mysql | florin_
[22:22] <Zinn> florin_: If you are having problems connecting to your mysql database, you can perform the following to reconfigure it: 1. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 (pay attention to the root password you set, you will need it for the next step) 2. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database 3. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common
[22:23] <florin_> mysql-server-5.0 is already installed and in use by other apps and it works well. dpkg-reconfigure never asks for a password
[22:23] <florin_> what was step #1 again?
[22:24] <florin_> it looks like you did a copy/paste but the first part of step #1 was lost
[22:24] <tgm4883`> florin_, there was no c&p
[22:25] <tgm4883`> i'd have to look up the original doc that came from
[22:25] <florin_> nevermind, my xchat is having a dumb day. sorry. now I see the message
[22:25] <tgm4883`> florin_, what is the problem?
[22:25] <florin_> lemme try that.
[22:26] <florin_> same error on step #2
[22:26] <florin_> Failed to create or modify database (incorrect admin username/password?)
[22:27] <tgm4883`> what user are you doing for the admin user?
[22:28] <florin_> dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 only asks me for the mysql root password
[22:29] <florin_> /etc/mysql/debian.cnf says something about user "debian-sys-maint" and there's a password noted in that file.
[22:30] <florin_> I'm confused, as I don't know what happens when I do dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database
[22:30] <tgm4883`> florin_, i'm at work right now, but i can look it up later
[22:30] <tgm4883`> you could take a look in the source at debian/rules
[22:30] <florin_> I'm opening a thread on the mythbuntu forum
[22:30] <tgm4883`> ok


[06:20] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:55] <ducasse> morning all
[07:21] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[07:21] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[07:26] <ducasse> hi lordievader, good thanks - still waking up. and you?
[07:26] <lordievader> Doing good here :) Just saw there is an update for plasma :)
[07:32] <ducasse> no interesting updates here today :(
[10:42] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:42] <brunch> hiyas BluesKaj
[10:43] <BluesKaj> Hi brunch
[11:00] <lordievader> Hey BluesKaj, brunch
[11:00] <lordievader> How are you guys?
[11:03] <BluesKaj> fine here lordievader, and you?
[11:08] <lordievader> Doing good here too :0
[11:08] <lordievader> :)*
[11:08] <lordievader> Ugh, it is time for a better keyboard here -.-
[17:26] <daftykins> nicomachus: just updated my nexus 5x to android 8.0 oreo
[17:36] <nicomachus> I did a couple days ago. How are you liking it?
[17:37] <nicomachus> I don't like the white background on the notification pull-down and settings menu.
[17:37] <daftykins> seems to be missing the option in the play store, to stop it putting things on the home screen on install
[17:37] <daftykins> trying to find the keyboard config area right now XD
[17:38] <daftykins> there it is
[17:39] <nicomachus> hmmm... I have the home screen thing in my Launcher settings. So Nova Launcher settings in my case.
[17:39] <daftykins> does yours show 8.0.0 ?
[17:39] <nicomachus> yea
[17:39] <nicomachus> but I'm in the Android Beta program. Did your update just come OTA?
[17:41] <daftykins> not even that, i was bored today and snagged the image from the developer android site
[17:41] <nicomachus> ah I see. What's the build number?
[17:41] <daftykins> OPR6.170623.013
[17:42] <nicomachus> Same here.
[17:43] <nicomachus> My boss and I were comparing yesterday and his is quite different but he's also on a 6P
[17:43] <nicomachus> But the image he found was a July release.
[17:43] <daftykins> hrmm
[18:41] <daftykins> nicomachus: i think whatsapp's text size setting is being ignored right now, hah
[18:41] <daftykins> ho-hum
[18:43] <nicomachus> hmm... I'll check in a second. I use the web client more than mobile, though.
[18:43] <daftykins> ah
[18:43] <daftykins> always prefer more on screen, so i attempted to change to 'small'
[18:44] <nicomachus> I'm trying to input some IV %'s on all the pokemon I've caught in the last week and don't want to risk another crash by switching to whatspp atm. lol
[18:44] <daftykins> XD serious business then :P
[18:44] <nicomachus> ah, well, it crashed anyway...
[18:45] <nicomachus> whatsapp fonts look the same to me.
[18:45] <nicomachus> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[18:46] <daftykins> but is the size actually changing if you set 'small' ?
[18:48] <daftykins> ah looks like it does change, just very subtly
[18:48] <nicomachus> Yes, in the chat it does. not in menus.
[18:48] <daftykins> i think it's the bubble size throwing me
[18:49] <nicomachus> I have a persistent notification for apps running in the background that bugs me.
[18:49] <nicomachus> After like 3 days I finally found the setting to at least get rid of the notification bar icon for it.
[18:54] <daftykins> hrmm
[18:54] <daftykins> i found 7.1.2 was quite buggy for a persistent app
[19:05] <nicomachus> Hmm... 2/5 office phones are showing the message "Replace System Battery w/ Power On" and in-house IT isn't answering...
[19:07] <nicomachus> no idea what that means. battery backup maybe?
[19:18] <daftykins> ja sounds like it
[19:18] <nicomachus> I tried to open the phone panel and the office alarm started going off. LOL
[19:20] <daftykins> XD
[20:16] <Bashing-om> nacc: IRT fedorafan : That .noot os a mess ?? missing abi-, config-, initrd.img-, System.map-, and vmlinuz- for the matching kernel images ??
[20:16] <Bashing-om> that /boot*
[20:16] <nacc> Bashing-om: urgh, didn't even notice
[20:17] <Bashing-om> nacc: He been rm'n behind the package manager's back ?
[20:17] <nacc> Bashing-om: well if they were out of space at some point before, and did something to try to fix it manually, it's possible that some package failed to install?
[20:18] <ducasse> "i did some stuff i found with google, dunno what"
[20:18] <ducasse> *plonk*
[20:18] <daftykins> =]
[20:18] <nacc> ducasse: yep
[20:19] <Bashing-om> nacc: 4.8 kernel, lemme see what I can find .. EOL ?
[20:19] <nacc> Bashing-om: yeah, i'm guessing they were on HWE
[20:19] <nacc> Bashing-om: it's ok for that to be there, technically, but it also probably means they aren't doing regular updates
[20:21] <Bashing-om> nacc: The cleanup to get /boot in order is my aim .
[20:22] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-extra-4.8.0-58-generic xenial-updates
[20:22] <nacc> Bashing-om: yeah, reinstalling the hwe metapackage should work
[20:22] <nacc> (for at least getting 4.10 correct)
[20:29] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-extra-4.8.0-58-generic xenial
[20:56] <Bashing-om> nacc: fedorafan We can assume ran fedora - He should know better by now !
[20:59] <nacc> Bashing-om: heh
[21:18] <oerheks> 17.04 in a single partition seems to fix that drive space issue too.
[21:19] <nacc> yeah, i don't think anyone "needs" a /boot anymore
[22:59] <daftykins> *nod* i'm not sure it ever gained much


[09:46] <papukaija> Hi, I'm new to IRC and I'm not sure if this is the best place for this. Someone's ability to use Ubuntu on a daily basis is severely affected by a crash in Xorg and I don't know how to help him further. Could someone please have a look at bug 1191334 at https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1191334 ?
[09:46] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1191334 in xorg (Ubuntu) "A wrong hardware detection seems to crash Xorg" [Undecided,New]
[14:19] <vmenezes> just installed ubuntu 13.04 64bits on my Asus U36J. After installing the codecs, connected the HDMI and got impressed that my GeForce nVidia was working with no need of any additional driver nor workarounds...after couple hours watching a movie it froze and I figured out that my laptop was extremelly hot! it was the end. My laptop died =/


[12:41] <abdosama_> hi
[12:42] <abdosama_> is any one here
[17:24] <jono> stevegeorge, hey
[17:24] <stevegeorge> jono, heya, yeah sorry about that
[17:25] <jono> stevegeorge, no worries
[17:25] <jono> stevegeorge, join #ubuntu-classroom-backstage
[17:31] <ClassBot> Logs for this session will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/06/24/%23ubuntu-classroom.html following the conclusion of the session.
[17:31] <stevegeorge> Hi I'm Steve George, I'm the VP of Business Development for Canonical. One of the areas that I look after is client ecosystem which is all about how we make Ubuntu a great platform for application developers, and how we can bring more applications/software to Ubuntu users. And, I'm looking forward to some questions from everyone!
[17:38] <ClassBot> barnabyjones asked: Since synaptic will be dropped in the next release, any plans to make the current tools (Software Center, Tweak) a bit more powerful and configurable for power users?
[17:39] <stevegeorge> thanks barnabyjones, good question
[17:39] <stevegeorge> As far as Software Center is concerned the main aim is to give it the vast majority of sensible default and functionality that most users need
[17:40] <stevegeorge> for really advanced users that think about things like package pining, there are other options which are not installed by default, but which you can get from the archive
[17:40] <stevegeorge> that's broadly the direction we take across the board, default applications should meet the needs of the majority of users. And then for specific requirements there are other applications in the archive. Hope that answers it.
[17:42] <ClassBot> barnabyjones asked: Is Canonical planning on dropping Gnome 2.x any time soon? Those of us who do not like Unity want the choice, but some of us can't run Gnome 3 at present due to hardware constraints.
[17:44] <stevegeorge> I'm not responsible for that area, it comes under platform engineering which is Rick Spencers area. You should have a look at the blueprints section of Launchpad to look for the specification. Broadly, I would say that Unity is the GNOME shell that we're focused on making a key part of the Ubuntu experience.
[17:45] <stevegeorge> We know that not everyone has the hardware for Unity as a 3D experience so we're working on Unity 2D to try and solve that problem. In the long run we'd obviously like to be in a situation where everyone can use Unity. Hope that gives you enough insight.
[17:47] <ClassBot> yantrashilpi asked: Is there going to be any specific focus on enabling dev tools etc. for mobile platforms (aka android, ios) in ubuntu?
[17:48] <stevegeorge> thanks yantrashilpi. I think you mean here that an engineer is developing an application for Android but the desktop they use is Ubuntu. Generally, we want Ubuntu to be a great development desktop and lots of mobile developers use Ubuntu. So we care about things like making sure the editors and compilers work properly. We don't generally work on making sure that the Android SDK works on Ubuntu though, that's Google's job
[17:49] <ClassBot> misstery asked: there are milions of games on the web already, can they be in ubuntu too? i would pay for small games on ubuntu just like i do on iphone
[17:51] <stevegeorge> Thanks misstery that's a nice one! I think we all forsee a future where HTML5/Javascript and a lot of those technologies become the default way for many applications to be developed. We're very interested in how those can be integrated into Ubuntu and become part of every users experience. There's lots of aspects to explore here but it's definitely something we're looking at.
[17:51] <ClassBot> barnabyjones asked: I would like to see a DVD release with lots more optional stuff on it, like dev tools, alternate stuff, so we don't have to spend so much time downloading off the servers to add tools we want. With ISPs planning data caps, this is important.
[17:53] <stevegeorge> barnabyjones, well, this one isn't my territory I'm afraid. We've previously focused on the CD because they give you the basics of what users needs in an initial environment and they're easy for people to burn and cheap when compared to DVD's. You should probably ask about that on one of the Ubuntu devel lists.
[17:53] <ClassBot> misstery asked: is there a plan to have one code editor like xcode or visual studio in ubuntu?
[17:55] <stevegeorge> misstery, no definitely not. One of the advantages of Linux is that there are many ways to do things and in the tools area that is definitely true. So we don't want to force everyone to do things "our way" which is how I see Xcode. Equally, a disadvantage of LInux is that it can be hard to steer your way through the options. So we want to provide a set of recommendations and information on those to help developers steer through the options. We'
[17:55] <stevegeorge> ll be doing that through the developer.ubuntu.com web site and other resources.
[17:56] <ClassBot> yantrashilpi asked: Yes, you have the intent of my previous question. Is Canonical going to be investing in improving/integrating the fantastic developer tools already available on linux into an software package (a la Visual Studio) to bring in more developers from other platforms?
[17:57] <stevegeorge> yantrashilpi, We'll focus on recommending tools, integrating those and polishing the interactions where needed. We'll provide information and resources so that application developers can use those tools. And we're focusing on making the process of moving from development to having your application in Ubuntu Software Center as simple as possible
[18:01] <ClassBot> amit asked: how to complie and run a c program in ubuntu 10.10
[18:02] <stevegeorge> Thanks Amit. You need a compiler for C, which on Linux is Gcc. If you're not familiar with the commandline then you should probably start at the Ubuntu Developer site and see if that's got the right information to help (http://developer.ubuntu.com/create/). Otherwise, Google or a good book is the place to start.
[18:04] <ClassBot> aquarius asked: w.r.t. yantrashilpi's question about enabling Android development on Ubuntu, I agree it's Google's job to make sure that the Android SDK works on Ubuntu, but I think we could do more to make installing it and developing for Android on Ubuntu be a seamless experience. Is there any thinking going on in that direction? :)
[18:06] <stevegeorge> There aren't any projects that Canonical is working on, and I'm not personally aware of any projects within the Ubuntu community. I don't know what Google is doing of course. Ubuntu is an incredibly popular platform for developers to use. But my focus is on helping applications developers to develop (or port) applications that Ubuntu users can use.
[18:10] <ClassBot> pleia2 asked: When someone asks me "How can I get my program into Ubuntu?" what is the first resource I should point them to?
[18:11] <stevegeorge> There aren't any projects that Canonical is working on, and I'm not personally aware of any projects within the Ubuntu community. I don't know what Google is doing of course. Ubuntu is an incredibly popular platform for developers to use. But my focus is on helping applications developers to develop (or port) applications that Ubuntu users can use.
[18:11] <stevegeorge> If it is a FOSS application which is without cost (ie you don't pay for it), then this is dealt with by the ARB - I don't have the Wiki link to hand. If it's a commercial application which could be a) OSS but for pay, b) Proprietary but no charge, or c) Proprietary but for sale then they need to contact Canonical business development to agree commercial terms. In the next couple of months we'll be updating developer.ubuntu.com to fully reflect
[18:11] <stevegeorge> that process and make it really easy to follow.
[18:11] <stevegeorge> sorry about that pleia2, ignore that first bit
[18:13] <ClassBot> Divy asked: Is there a know issue with virtual box when you upgrade from 10.10 to 11.4? I had windows 7 installed on my virtual box on 10.10 and when I did an upgrade, it fails to load windows on virtual box.
[18:14] <stevegeorge> Divy, sorry that's not really something I know about. You'll have to ask on one of the other channels
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[18:22] <ClassBot> AlanBell asked: should developers concentrate on getting applications into Debian first or Ubuntu?
[18:25] <stevegeorge> Thanks AlanBell.
[18:25] <stevegeorge> The simple answer is they should focus on Ubuntu! But, it specifically depends on what sort of application you're talking about. I'm going to assume here that you mean a FOSS application. Essentially, the choice is that if you want to get it into Ubuntu between releases then you should work with the Application Review Board (ARB). If you want to get it into Ubuntu then you can either work with the MOTU process, or you can work with Debian to ge
[18:25] <stevegeorge> t into Debian first and then it will flow into Ubuntu from there.
[18:25] <stevegeorge> If you were talking about a commercial application then generally that will be proprietary and of course that would not be able to go into Debian. Hope that's clear.
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[18:29] <stevegeorge> Looks like our time is nearly up! Well thanks everyone for the questions and taking the time to listen to my replies. Hopefully, you got answers to everything you wanted to ask about Ubuntu application development. It's been great fun!
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