[00:00] <SynrG> yeats: macbook air. ...
[00:00] <SynrG> no ethernet
[00:00] <SynrG> too thin. can't physically accommodate the connector for it
[00:00] <yeats> SynrG: no dongle?
[00:00] <SynrG> noep
[00:00] <_Tristan> Yo, anybody know how I can install grub without efi? It really wants efi, but it doesn't work.
[00:01] <yeats> SynrG: the installer only contains free and open source software, so it's really a "broadcom is closed source" issue
[00:01] <SynrG> yeats: you sure? this is the +mac variant of the installer
[00:02] <SynrG> sure as heck seems it loads wl and it works fine for a while ...
[00:02] <Jordan_U> !details | _Tristan
[00:02] <SynrG> the live image, at least
[00:02] <yeats> SynrG: I've never installed on a Mac, but Ubuntu can't legally include proprietary drivers (though it can download and install them during installation)
[00:03] <_Tristan> I have a problem with ubuntu 12.04. When I reinstall grub without efi I get ubuntu. When I reinstall grub with efi I get bootloops, which is a fruitloops knockoff.
[00:03] <SynrG> yeats: lsmod confirms wl is loaded shortly after the live system boots
[00:03] <SynrG> yeats: i'm able to connect to my wireless network and remain connected only as long as i don't start the installer :/
[00:03] <Dj_FlyBy> got a headless 12.04 server and I am trying to access the www directories via smb but it appears to be read only as I am unable to save anything to the folders I set all permissions properly (think it has to do with /var/www/* being owned by root). uploading edited www files via ftp over the local network is getting tiresome. Is there a safe wayto share my /var/www/* via smb?
[00:03] <Dylan> Back.
[00:03] <Dylan> There is no slidebar.
[00:04] <SynrG> yeats: btw. this isn't my first bbq ... :) debian developer, former lead of the debian-eeepc project, etc. i'm well acquainted with non-free licensing issues ...
[00:04] <Dylan> mici or kc9iid: you guys still here?
[00:05] <kamil_> hello
[00:05] <SynrG> i'd happily ditch brcmsmac if i could, but i strongly suspect the "+mac" iso actually deliberately includes and prefers wl because that's what's considered "best for macs"
[00:05] <yeats> SynrG: okay - I wasn't assuming anything either way ;-)
[00:05] <kamil_> morning ubuntu serev
[00:05] <SynrG> er, ditch *wl* and use brcmsmac
[00:05] <OerHeks> SynrG, what if you start the live environment first, then install ? maybe the connection stays alive
[00:05] <yeats> SynrG: have you consulted this page?: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[00:05] <SynrG> OerHeks: that's what i've been saying i've been doing all along
[00:05] <kamil_> hey yeats may i ask you ?
[00:06] <SynrG> i've tried both starting the live environment and connecting to wifi, and not connecting ...
[00:06] <Dylan> Dammit. Anyone able to help me with installing Ubuntu and dealing with partitions?
[00:06] <Jordan_U> SynrG: The one and only difference between the +mac iso and non +mac iso is that the +mac iso has the EFI loader *removed*.
[00:06] <yeats> kamil_: just ask your question to the channel - if someone can help - they'll respond
[00:06] <SynrG> blacklisting, and not blacklisting (in the live system)
[00:06] <SynrG> Jordan_U: i see. thanks
[00:06] <Jordan_U> SynrG: You're welcome.
[00:07] <kamil_> what the different beetwen xchat and irc standard ?
[00:07] <Dylan> I'm installing Ubuntu with a dual boot and I'm unsure how to handle the partitioning. I need to make a partition for Ubuntu while leaving enough space for Win 7.
[00:07] <mici> http://askubuntu.com/questions/150550/installing-ubuntu-with-windows-which-is-left-and-right-when-allocating-space
[00:07] <Jordan_U> _Tristan: So if you install the grub-pc package, Ubuntu boots correctly?
[00:07] <Dylan> Ah, mici is still here.
[00:07] <mici> Dylan that link has an image of the slider im talking about
[00:07] <SynrG> Jordan_U: any idea why wl is forced here?
[00:08] <Dylan> mici: I'm not getting that slider.
[00:08] <Dylan> mici: I'm on the live CD right now and I took a screen shot.
[00:08] <Dylan> Any way I can send it to you?
[00:08] <kamil_> what the different ma ??
[00:08] <SynrG> this flies in the face of "ubuntu can't legally include it"
[00:10] <daftykins> Dylan: upload images to somewhere like imagebin
[00:10] <daftykins> or imgur.com
[00:10] <daftykins> or any of a whole host of choices
[00:10] <Jordan_U> SynrG: You tried passing blacklist=foo as a kernel parameter?
[00:12] <Jordan_U> SynrG: Rather it appears like the proper form is foo.blacklist=yes .
[00:13] <leptone_> hello i am trying to install LyX Document Processor throught the USC and i keep getting this error:
[00:13] <leptone_> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/i/imagemagick/imagemagick-common_<IP_ADDRESS>-5ubuntu3.2_all.deb 404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80] Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/i/imagemagick/libmagickcore4_<IP_ADDRESS>-5ubuntu3.2_i386.deb 404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80] Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/i/imagemagick/libmagickwand4_<IP_ADDRESS>-5ubuntu3.2_i386.deb 404  Not Found
[00:13] <adam___> acpi_listen doesn't output anything
[00:13] <Jordan_U> leptone_: sudo apt-get update
[00:13] <kamil_> hey yeats may i ask you ?
[00:14] <yeats> kamil_: I don't know the answer to your question, and it's really not Ubuntu support
[00:15] <htcm7> Hey is there a channel specific for ubuntu touch?
[00:15] <yeats> !phone | htcm7
[00:15] <SynrG> Jordan_U: ok. a) the owner and her macbook air have left the building. b) no, i didn't, but it wasn't obvious how to get the grub-efi's attention at boot. seemed to go strait to booting right after selecting from rEFInd
[00:15] <adam___> acpi_listen doesn't output anything
[00:15] <htcm7> thx
[00:16] <SynrG> Jordan_U: and c) the owner's Dad says "yes, there is an ethernet dongle, and i can send it with her next time"
[00:16] <yeats> !pm | kamil_
[00:16] <heath> trying to start emacs as a deamon in ubuntu, what's the recommended method for starting emacs as a startup service in ubuntu?
[00:16] <heath> ubottu: !startup
[00:16] <SynrG> so assuming next time i can get grub's attention and append wl.blacklist=yes, i will and then we'll even install over ethernet if need be.
[00:16] <kamil_> ubottu is a bot
[00:17] <SynrG> yeats, Jordan_U (and anyone else i may have overlooked): thanks :) until next time ...
[00:17]  * SynrG waves
[00:17] <yeats> SynrG: best of luck
[00:17] <kamil_> i hve trouble with changing folder access directory
[00:19] <king_> hi linux mint chat is rubbish the ops are always on and they are stricked
[00:19] <king_> hello
[00:20] <king_> hello
[00:20] <[RO]Daniel> you are using linux mint and you decided to get help from here? :)) hello btw
[00:20] <rawfodog> hi, I made a bookmark to an ftp server in nautilus. I was wondering where that symlink is made so I can use the short cut to get into that place (rather than enter the creds in terminal)
[00:20] <demianb> Haha.
[00:20] <hitsujiTMO> king_: this is ubuntu support, not a chat channel
[00:21] <king_> no just feed up of linux mint chat thing
[00:21] <rawfodog> answer my question you trolls
[00:21] <demianb> I would suggest making a backup of your /home, then restoring your files and settigs after installing Ubuntu. ;)
[00:21] <king_> hitsujitmo what is your chat channnel
[00:24] <king_> hitsujitmo what is your chat channnel
[00:24] <humbag_> king_: have you been to #defocus ?
[00:24] <king_> no
[00:24] <humbag_> it is a silly place
[00:25] <hitsujiTMO> king_: #ubuntu-offtopic for offtopic stuff
[00:25] <king_> humbag linuxmint things are a silly place
[00:25] <haT> hello
[00:25] <king_> hitsujitmo thanks
[00:25] <haT> i need help with something
[00:26] <haT> guys, how do i modify a systemd file ?
[00:27] <Jordan_U> haT: What systemd file are you trying to modify and why?
[00:27] <haT> the logind.conf
[00:27] <haT> when i close the lid of my laptop it doesn't hibernate
[00:28] <Jordan_U> haT: What version of Ubuntu are you using?
[00:28] <haT> as a matter of fact am using the xubuntu saucy
[00:29] <king_> haT is it saucy
[00:29] <haT> yes, xubuntu saucy
[00:31] <Jordan_U> haT: You can edit /etc/systemd/logind.conf like any other text file. Since it's root owned, you will need to use sudo or gksudo, for example "gksudo /etc/systemd/logind.conf". Of course you should also backup the current contents first.
[00:31] <Jordan_U> haT: Sorry, "gksudo gedit /etc/systemd/logind.conf".
[00:31] <haT> i have tried
[00:31] <violinuxer> ubuntu saucy? dang, i remember the days of hardy, gutsy, and fiesty :) boy ubuntu has gone a long way since then :)
[00:32] <haT> yea..
[00:32] <Jordan_U> !details | haT
[00:32] <king_> lol
[00:32] <haT> i started using ubuntu since December and i love it
[00:32] <haT> i have tried sudo
[00:33] <haT> even when i manage to modify it it doesn't save
[00:33] <Jordan_U> haT: What is the exact command you ran? What error message did you recieve when you tried to save?
[00:33] <haT> so i have to get out without saving
[00:34] <haT>  sudo vim /etc/systemd/logind.conf
[00:34] <morph4me> sudo -i to root
[00:34] <haT> hmm.......
[00:35] <haT> let me try that
[00:36] <Jordan_U> morph4me: haT: Please don't suggest starting a full root shell when it's not needed, as is the case here.
[00:36] <Jordan_U> haT: And what error message do you get when you try to ":w"?
[00:38] <pack^> I always tell people who have a hard time with command line to download Midnight Commander (mc) and use it to edit files and file properties as well as change groups etc.
[00:38] <haT> nope.. i am still new to linux and i don't what is w
[00:38] <haT> haha
[00:38] <haT> morph
[00:38] <haT> thanks
[00:38] <haT> sudo i worked
[00:38] <haT> sudo -i
[00:38] <xtarxcream> Hey guys
[00:38] <Jordan_U> haT: No, something else worked. sudo -i didn't change your ability to save the file any more than running vim via sudo would.
[00:38] <haT> :|
[00:38] <Jordan_U> haT: Then you shouldn't be using vim yet. Try "gksudo gedit /etc/systemd/logind.conf" for a GUI editor or "sudo nano /etc/systemd/logind.conf" for a simpler terminal based editor.
[00:38] <xtarxcream> got a quick question bout unity, was wondering if there was a way to modify the dash launcher icon
[00:39] <haT> 0_o
[00:39] <haT> Jordan, how do i get out sudo
[00:39] <Jordan_U> haT: exit
[00:39] <haT> just type exit ?
[00:40] <haT> didn't work
[00:40] <morph4me> exit followed by hitting enter
[00:40] <haT> i did
[00:40] <Jordan_U> haT: What does the bottom line of your terminal currently show?
[00:40] <haT> root@paa-ThinkPad-X201:/etc/systemd# exit
[00:40] <haT> exit
[00:41] <haT> when i typed exit
[00:41] <haT> it printed out exit
[00:41] <haT> ohh
[00:41] <Jordan_U> haT: Yes, and now you're at a '$' prompt, correct?
[00:41] <haT> ok now it works
[00:41] <haT> yes
[00:41] <haT> damn linux kicks ass
[00:42] <Jordan_U> haT: Try "gksudo gedit /etc/systemd/logind.conf" and you will find that you will be able to modify the file via gedit that way.
[00:42] <haT> ok i will do it right now
[00:43] <haT> gksudo is currently not installed
[00:43] <haT> is it a must that i download it ?
[00:43] <haT> is it needed /
[00:43] <haT> ?
[00:45] <haT> where did Jordan_U and morph4me go ?
[00:45] <morph4me> haT you can get there with this as well ,... just don't forget to save sudo - i  gedit /etc/systemd/logind.conf
[00:45] <haT> i did saved
[00:46] <t0rkvam3do> good night
[00:46] <haT> hmm...
[00:46] <morph4me> k then get out of root  and type  gedit /etc/systemd/logind.conf ...it should ask to reload
[00:47] <kamil_> someone help me
[00:47] <haT> ok
[00:47] <ACCBiggz> Priority: LOW; 13.10 - Flash player in chromium browser begins wonky (http://imgur.com/JyOgmAm), but once video actually plays it's fine. Thinking I should just leave it, but it's irritating.
[00:48] <xtarxcream> If anyone can gimme a hand w unity 7, send me a ping please.
[00:48] <Jordan_U> morph4me: The commands you are giving are incorrect. Please try to be more careful when giving instructions.
[00:48] <Beldar> ACCBiggz, I don't use it ir chrome, however the latter has a onboard more up to date flash.
[00:48] <Beldar> or*
[00:48] <morph4me> Jordan sudo -i gedit would open that as root
[00:48] <Jordan_U> haT: If you want to use gedit rather than nano, then yes, you should install gksu/gksudo.
[00:49] <ACCBiggz> Beldar: When I loaded chromium it had no flash in plugins. I began by getting pepperflash, but it didn't complete all the way. Thus, I installed regular flash to get to this point.
[00:50] <haT> ok i managed to open it with vim
[00:50] <Jordan_U> morph4me: You should not run GUI commands as root using anything other than gksudo/gksu.
[00:50] <Jordan_U> haT: But you don't know how to use vim.
[00:51] <haT> ohh ok..
[00:51] <Beldar> ACCBiggz, Flash from the repos is just older.
[00:51] <haT> guess nano would be good
[00:51] <morph4me> yes Jordan_U well aware
[00:51] <Jordan_U> morph4me: Then why did you give advice which contradicted that knowledge?
[00:51] <Jordan_U> haT: "sudo nano /etc/systemd/logind.conf" will open the file in nano, a simple terminal based text editor.
[00:51] <haT> guys, guys.. it doesn't matter
[00:52] <haT> we learn from our mistake
[00:52] <mici> btw why is gksudo important when sudoing gui apps?
[00:52] <haT> somebody gives you an advice, you try and if that screws you up then you've learned your lesson
[00:52] <Jordan_U> haT: If you want to learn how to use vim, "vimtutor" is a great introduction.
[00:52] <haT> ok
[00:54] <Jordan_U> !gksudo | mici


[00:53] <eduardo_> Hello!
[00:54] <eduardo_> My english not is very good. I'm from Brazil!
[00:57] <David-A> Hello eduardo_
[00:59] <eduardo_> Hi.
[01:00] <eduardo_> :D
[01:06] <David-A> qiere ayuda? (was that spanish for "want help?", i know even less portugese)
[04:04] <EneEne> please someone can help me?
[04:05] <pleia2> EneEne: ask away :)
[04:05] <pleia2> if someone can help, they'll speak up
[04:05] <EneEne> i need to reset the grafic interface
[04:07] <EneEne> not to be lazy, but i don't understand much xbuntu and i was thinking maybe i can use teamviewer for someone to help me
[04:08] <pleia2> can you explain what you mean by "reset"?
[04:08] <EneEne> default
[04:08] <pleia2> EneEne: trying to get xubuntu back to default settings?
[04:09] <well_laid_lawn> EneEne:  what did you change that you need to reverse?
[04:09] <EneEne> there are some thing that aren't right. the minimize and max.. buttons don't work and other stuff
[04:10] <EneEne> this is my brothers computer, and he fixed for me once, from the terminal
[04:11] <EneEne> he told me that he "reset" or back to default setting, but i don't know how to do it
[04:11] <EneEne> i'm stuck
[04:11] <EneEne> maybe if i share my desktop some can help me
[04:11] <EneEne> one
[04:20] <well_laid_lawn> you could try logging out, going to a tty with the keys ctrl+alt+F2, loging in and running rm -r .config/xfce4 and going back to the login screen with ctrl+alt+F7 EneEne
[04:31] <xubuntu893> hello?
[04:31] <holstein> xubuntu893: welcome
[04:32] <xubuntu893> I getting scared this was a dead IRC
[04:33] <holstein> xubuntu893: its the support channel for xubuntu.. you can try one of the offtopic channels for chate
[07:25] <jeffrey1> Issue: When plugged in, battery will charge for a second, then stop charging for a few, and cycle like that indefinitely
[07:32] <jeffrey1> Anybody? This is super frustrating
[07:33] <moetunes> tried checking dmesg in a terminal?
[07:33] <moetunes> jeffrey1:     ^^
[07:33] <jeffrey1> ok just did it
[07:33] <jeffrey1> which part do you want to see?
[07:34] <moetunes> try it a couple of times as the battery cycles
[07:34] <moetunes> see if something keeps being mentioned
[07:34] <jeffrey1> there's a bunch of this kind of thing:
[07:35] <jeffrey1> init: anacron main process (15905) killed by TERM signal
[07:36] <moetunes> I don't think anancron has anything to do with the battery
[07:36] <jeffrey1> ther's more of those every time i run dmesg
[07:37] <jeffrey1> and the numbers rise
[07:37] <jeffrey1> how about this:
[07:38] <jeffrey1> ACPI: Cannot transition to non-D0 state from D3
[07:38] <jeffrey1> ata_piix 0000:00:1f.1: power state changed by ACPI to D3hot
[07:39] <moetunes> those acpi errors seem relevant
[07:39] <jeffrey1> those were way earlier
[07:39] <jeffrey1> the recent events are all anacron
[07:41] <koegs> anacron is stopped if you are running on battery, this is not the cause
[07:41] <moetunes> is the after coming out of suspend or are you using bumblebee for dual graphics?
[07:41] <moetunes> just going through google returns here
[07:43] <jeffrey1> This is from a cold boot, and also from suspend. If I suspend the battery charges fine. If the laptop is off it charges fine.
[07:43] <jeffrey1> When I come out of suspend the intermittent thing resumes
[07:44] <jeffrey1> So every few seconds I am running on battery, then ac power, then battery, then ac. While plugged in.
[07:44] <moetunes> but the acpi lines in dmesg aren't happening when that happens?
[07:46] <jeffrey1> Yeah they are
[07:46] <jeffrey1> oh sorry no
[07:46] <jeffrey1> all that is happening is the init: anacron main process (26767) killed by TERM signal
[07:50] <moetunes> ok. anacron is being stopped each time the laptop goes onto battery - that's why that keeps appearing
[07:51] <moetunes> do you have another os you can boot into to see if it happens there or it's a xubuntu issue
[07:51] <moetunes> ?
[07:52] <moetunes> might be faulty hardware
[07:52] <jeffrey1> I know it never happened on windows, don't think it was happening in lubuntu. I will go find my lubuntu usb
[07:58] <jeffrey1> can't find it, but I'm confident it's not a hardware issue
[07:58] <jeffrey1> dmesg
[07:59] <moetunes> tail -f /var/log/kernel.log    might be easier to monitor
[08:04] <jeffrey1> that gives a bunch of wlan0 statements
[08:08] <moetunes> can you run   acpi -V
[08:08] <moetunes> ?
[08:22] <jeffrey1> yeah one second
[08:23] <jeffrey1> the program acpi is currently not installed
[09:04] <moetunes> jeffrey1:  if it's not a hardware issue I don't know what'll be
[09:05] <jeffrey1> is that weird that i don't have acpi installed?
[09:14] <moetunes> not really
[09:15] <bartzy> How do I remove the annoying "system restart required" message after I installed a new kernel via apt-get ?!
[09:16] <bartzy> this is so annoying - I KNOW I need to reboot in order to use the new kernel. I don't need to be reminded of it all the time
[09:17] <laite> bartzy: you can kill update-notifier
[09:17] <bartzy> laite: And that kills only that notifier , or other notify messages like music playing and other stuff ?
[09:18] <laite> that kills the program that tells you (graphically) about available updates (and restart requirements) in taskbar
[09:18] <bartzy> yes, but is it responsible only for notifying me about that - and not about other stuff ?
[09:19] <bartzy> laite: Also - there is no configuration to avoid the presentation of this message in the first place ?
[09:19] <laite> bartzy: it's also responsible for telling 'you have new updates' to you
[09:19] <laite> I don't think there's a separate setting for that :/
[09:20] <bartzy> ok, thanks :)
[12:43] <xubuntu393> hello iam tryingto install xubuntu12.10 but in the end it is telling me that there is a unrecoverable problem
[12:43] <xubuntu393> can somebody help me?
[12:49] <xubuntu240> hi all
[12:51] <xubuntu240> congratulate me. i'm installing ubuntu )
[12:51] <GridCube> :D
[12:53] <xubuntu521> Hi all. I'd like to install Xubuntu 12.04 on a Macbook 2,1 and I couldn't find a download link which is for mac (64-Bit). On this post (http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/ubuntu-12-04-lts-auf-macbook-white-2-1-install/#post-4505022) however was mentioned such a version. Where could I find it? Or is there no anymore? Thx.
[12:54] <xubuntu240> how can i make a custom live-usb with my packages and presettings?
[12:55] <GridCube> !customlivecd
[12:56] <GridCube> xubuntu521, there is no "mac" specific iso, just standard 64bit iso, use that one
[12:58] <xubuntu240> i have tried to use remastersys tool, but it didn't work with full-encrypted partition :(
[12:58] <xubuntu521> GridCube, but with this version I get "1. 2. select cd-rom boot type .." and I cannot insert any letter or number. USB-Keyboard doesn't help too. How ti solve this one?
[12:58] <GridCube> oh, my mistake xubuntu521 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/quantal/release/
[12:59] <xubuntu521> ti == do, sorry
[13:00] <GridCube> xubuntu521, there i meant that there is no powerpc iso for xubuntu, apparently mainbuntu does have one, you can always use that one and install xubuntu-desktop later
[13:01] <GridCube> there are lubuntu ones too http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/quantal/release/
[13:01] <xubuntu521> GridCube, your link is for servers. OK, Lubuntu is running, so I have to check out how to change the desktop-version.
[13:02] <GridCube> xubuntu240, if its the server just do sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop and vuala!
[13:03] <GridCube> next time you log in you just choose a xubuntu sesion instead of a lubuntu session :3
[13:04] <xubuntu521> Will the lubuntu-desk remain on the system? My knowledge is poor in that case ;-)
[13:04] <GridCube> yes
[13:04] <GridCube> it will remain there
[13:04] <GridCube> you can choose to log in to a lubuntu session later
[13:07] <xubuntu240> i need to make my own custom-live-usb with my packages and presettings. remastersys able to do this, but it doesn't work with encrypted-partitions :(
[13:07] <xubuntu521> GridCube, thx for the fast support. Because Lubuntu is always running, I will install the Xubuntu-desk too and yeah :-) Is it correct that it only needs some more space on the disk, not RAM?
[13:10] <xubuntu521> And last question GridCube, will I get XFCE 4.10 or which version?
[13:11] <GridCube> xubuntu521, what version of lubuntu are you running? 12.10?
[13:12] <GridCube> you dont need more ram to run any ubuntu. it will just be slower or faster on each desktop, its not like you are virtualizing a service or anything, you will just run other programs instead of the lubuntu ones, like other panels and so on, so there is no extra load to ram, just a change
[13:12] <xubuntu521> 12.04 because of the longterm-support
[13:14] <GridCube> then you will hace xfce 4.8
[13:14] <GridCube> you can add a ppa for xfce 4.10. but you will loose support
[13:16] <xubuntu521> is 4.10 in 12.10 available, supported? Then I have to update lubuntu to 12.10?
[13:16] <GridCube> if you need 4.10 and you need support then yes, thats the best option you have :)
[13:17] <GridCube> i would have to note that i did had 4.10 on 12.04 for like a year and it worked perfectly fine, but i had no support here for it XD
[13:20] <xubuntu521> A BIG THX to GridCube.  This way is very smart to solve problems and fast. Very last question: What's your oppinion: Which advantages have xubuntu12.04 with xfce 4.10 against 12.10 with 4.10?
[13:24] <GridCube> xfce 4.10 has more uptodate every day programs, like thunar and what not, that work pretty fast, but at the same time you loose some compatibilty with old indicators plugin... so you add and take some, im using 4.8 in this computer now and i dont see any problems with it
[13:25] <xubuntu521> Thx again. Have a nice day. Cheers
[13:26] <GridCube> :)
[14:05] <e1nh4nd3r> So I have a question about displays on Xubuntu.  I've got an EliteBook 8570p on a docking station /w two additional displays connected up, and I had spanning across all three of my displays working.  I went and upgraded to the latest kernel with apt-get update && apt-get upgrade yesterday, and now my laptop display is flickering and not displaying anything useful.
[14:06] <e1nh4nd3r> Any thoughts on where I should start troubleshooting?  I looked in dmesg and syslog and didn't see any errors relating to displays or display drivers.
[14:09] <e1nh4nd3r> I even rolled-back to the previous kernel version and didn't see any improvement.
[14:09] <GridCube> mmm thats weird, try reinstalling your video drivers?
[14:10] <e1nh4nd3r> I didn't have any video drivers installed, just whatever xubuntu installed on its own.
[14:12] <GridCube> mmhm
[14:12] <e1nh4nd3r> I mean, should I try installing AMD's drivers since I have a radeon in this laptop?
[14:13] <GridCube> sure, you can do that, but first check if you have a xorg.conf file, if you do you can rename it and restart the xservers and see if the screens defautl again to a working state
[14:14] <e1nh4nd3r> Well, my 2 other displays besides the laptop screen work fine
[14:14] <e1nh4nd3r> I'm talking to you on it right now as a matter of fact
[14:14] <GridCube> have you tried using the fn key to cycle the setting?
[14:15] <e1nh4nd3r> ?
[14:15] <e1nh4nd3r> Oh, to cycle whether the screen is active or not?
[14:15] <e1nh4nd3r> I can enable/disable it via ArandR and System > Displays
[14:17] <GridCube> it has more settings if i dont remember wrong, using the fn-(monitorkey)
[14:17] <GridCube> well i dont really know sorryy
[15:15] <SuperLag> Can you add icons to Panel 2?
[15:15] <SuperLag> I'm trying to figure out how, and I'm not finding it... if that's a possibility.
[15:16] <Furah> Panel 2? do you mean Panel 1?
[15:17] <SuperLag> Furah: Well... no. I mean Panel 2.
[15:18] <SuperLag> When I'm in System Settings > Panel, and it has Panel 1 selected... the top is highlighted.
[15:18] <Furah> weird, for me that's Panel 0
[15:18] <SuperLag> When I switch the dropdown to Panel 2, it highlights the "dock".... at the bottom.
[15:18] <SuperLag> funky
[15:19] <SuperLag> So... yeah. How do I add icons to the bottom bar? (what is it really supposed to be called?"
[15:19] <SuperLag> s/"/)
[15:20] <Furah> by adding icons do you mean add new items, or change the appearance of the items
[15:20] <SuperLag> add new items
[15:20] <SuperLag> I'd like to be able to lauch a few more applications from there
[15:20] <Furah> click on the Items tab
[15:20] <SuperLag> launch
[15:20] <Furah> click on the + button
[15:23] <SuperLag> excellent
[15:23] <SuperLag> got it
[15:24] <SuperLag> more questions...
[15:24] <SuperLag> Furah: ever used a recent Mac?
[15:25] <Furah> what you need help with?
[15:25] <SuperLag> Furah: if so, you know how Finder has a column view? you highlight a folder in the leftmost column, and its contents open in a second column to the right?
[15:25] <Furah> yes
[15:25] <SuperLag> I'm wondering if there's a similar file manager, or option in the stock file manager that would do that
[15:26] <Furah> hmm, I'm unsure
[15:28] <SuperLag> I'm comfortable on both platforms... but that's one of the things I miss working on my Linux box.
[15:30] <SuperLag> ugh
[15:30] <SuperLag> there's one for KDE
[15:30] <SuperLag> but I don't want to install all that
[15:31] <Furah> oh wait, there is for Thunar
[15:31] <Furah> View > Side Pane > Tree
[15:32] <SuperLag> kind of
[15:32] <SuperLag> it's the closest thing I've seen to it, so far
[15:50] <or1> hey
[15:51] <or1> s
[15:51] <or1> s
[15:51] <or1> dont mind these
[15:51] <or1> cat-boarded
[19:55] <craigbass1976> I've got a problem that I first saw this morning.  With a terminal and firefox (the only two I've run into so far)  I've got no title bar.  Nor can I Alt+Tab to switch between apps.
[19:57] <recon_lap> craigbass1976: you got firefox in fullscreen mode?
[19:57] <craigbass1976> at least now I can hold alt and move the window by holding the alt button and left mouse.
[19:58] <craigbass1976> recon_lap, I can't tell, nor will the ff menu open when I click on it.
[19:58] <recon_lap> you can see the menu? then it's somthing else
[19:58] <well_laid_lawn> I guess xfwm isn't running
[19:58] <craigbass1976> And when I click on xchat, it doesn't "come forward."  I can only see what's going on in here because FF and my terminal aren't big enough to be in the way
[19:59] <craigbass1976> the xchat window itself I mean.  I had a window switcher on a panel that's not showing up either
[19:59] <recon_lap> does clicking anywhere work?
[20:00] <recon_lap> and what release you running
[20:03] <recon_lap> reminds me of a problem I used to have with ff taking focus and ignoring all mouse clicks. even outside it's window.
[20:03] <recon_lap> think i always ended up restarting
[20:03] <well_laid_lawn> ps -C xfwm
[20:04] <recon_lap> this was not in xfce btw :)
[20:07] <craigbass1976> I'm running 4.8 on xub 12.04.  I believe I had unity on this when I first installed it, but took it off a couple weeks ago.  I don't see the command in bash_history though...  I'm wondering if the uninstall didn't take well and it's just showing up now for some reason.
[20:07] <craigbass1976> I still see the unity-ish login screen...
[20:08] <craigbass1976> If there were a way to quickly get stuff back the way I like it (looking like GNOME2)  I'd just hose my profile and start another.
[20:10] <craigbass1976> ~/.config/xfce4 is where stuff currently is, right?  I could just copy my wife's profile over, then I'd just have to make a couple of launchers
[20:10] <well_laid_lawn> did you check if xfwm was running?
[20:11] <craigbass1976> well_laid_lawn, no.
[20:12] <craigbass1976> well_laid_lawn, ps -ef | grep wm show nothing at all for wm...
[20:12] <well_laid_lawn> might fix your title bar problem if it was running
[20:12] <well_laid_lawn> try   xfwm &
[20:12] <well_laid_lawn> in a terminal
[20:13] <craigbass1976> well_laid_lawn, command not found.  xfwm4 & did it, but why didn't that start at boot?
[20:14] <craigbass1976> And then why does it start when I log in as my wife?
[20:14] <well_laid_lawn> oops my bad - no idea why it failed
[20:14] <well_laid_lawn> might just be having a bad day
[20:15] <craigbass1976> I guess it can join the club.  I suspect this day will end with a couple three glasses of wine. And I don't mean the emulator...
[20:15] <well_laid_lawn> I always use the tab key on the command line so I get things right
[20:15] <well_laid_lawn> !tab
[20:15] <craigbass1976> I've just never had to start it before.
[20:16] <well_laid_lawn> I guess it should be fine next time you log in
[20:17] <craigbass1976> Ahh, and I just found my remove unity commands.  I'd done a sudo -i first -- wrong bash_history.  I purged unity-asset-pool unity-services unity-lens-* unity-scope-*, liboverlay-scrollbar*, appmenu-gtk appmenu-gtk3 appmenu-qt, firefox-globalmenu thunderbird-globalmenu, unity-2d-common unity-common, libunity-misc4 libunity-core-5*.  I think these must have been in an onlilne walkthrough.  What else is left on my box unity-wise tha
[20:17] <craigbass1976> t I can get rid of?
[20:21] <well_laid_lawn> you can try a   apt-cache search unity   and look for installed stuffs
[20:22] <well_laid_lawn> probably an easier way tho
[20:37] <nikolam> failed booting eeepc 701 after usb-installing from ubuntu-minimal 12.10 32-bit image and installing xubuntu-desktop during network install.
[20:41] <recon_lap> failed booting? did it get past POST
[21:31] <luciferis> Hello, my wallpaper desktop has weird squares today wilth higher luminosity in these squares; and when i was dragging and dropping a file from music directory to VLC, the file disapeared do you have any idea were she might be? My system is a bit akward today, is not on the mood...
[21:50] <nikolam> recon_lap, yes. obviously something always goes wrong if xubuntu-desktop is selected during install of ubuntu-minimal. I will retre
[21:51] <nikolam> retry install from desktop usb install But I think it is not going to work because stupid install GUI needs more disk space then eee's 3.5GB / and 0.5GB swap
[21:52] <nikolam> I thnik I already had been installing ubuntu-minimal and adding xubuntu-desktop After booting in text mode.
[21:53] <nikolam> But then somehow wireless and LAN networking (dhcp) is not working.
[22:02] <recon_lap> nikolam: pastebin nm-tool
[22:05] <nikolam> recon_lap, will do after reinstall. again.
[22:05] <recon_lap> why reinstall ?
[23:12] <Shark_friend> tem alguem on, aqui
[23:12] <Shark_friend> Is there someone online here
[23:12] <Shark_friend> ?
[23:12] <Shark_friend> On ?
[23:13] <Shark_friend> Someone ?
[23:15] <Shark_friend> Alguem sabe como eu posso mudar o tema do Xubuntu, tirar o icone desse rato ?
[23:15] <David-A> hello, yes there are people here
[23:15] <Shark_friend> Are you only speak englesh ?
[23:16] <David-A> the channel is in english
[23:16] <Shark_friend> Do you know if is possible i change the icone of the Xubuntu, it's a rat i'm thinking in a icon ou theme like backtrack
[23:16] <Unit193> !br | Shark_friend
[23:16] <Shark_friend> only the dragon
[23:16] <Shark_friend> sem problemas eu posso falar em ingles,
[23:17] <Shark_friend> don't problems i can speak englesh too
[23:17] <Shark_friend> Do you know, how can i change no all the desk only the icon, i don't like that rat.
[23:17] <David-A> Shark_friend: you can change the background image, and you can change the icon in the program menu
[23:18] <David-A> Shark_friend: are there more places you want to replace the rat (rodent) icon?
[23:18] <Shark_friend> yes, i did it the program menu but when it are restarting in the login shows the rat :(
[23:18] <Shark_friend> Yeah, i just want change the icon, i don't like the rat icon
[23:19] <Shark_friend> i want replace it to something like the icon of backtrack,
[23:19] <Shark_friend> all the places that shows the rat icon, i would to replace
[23:19] <Shark_friend> I'm sorry about the not so perfect inglesh, i'm a student yet
[23:20] <David-A> you can change what is shown in the startup during login. Settings>SessionAndStartup>Splash
[23:20] <Shark_friend> can you send to me some tutorial ?
[23:21] <Shark_friend> about " replacing " all the icons of that rat for a icon like backtrack ?
[23:22] <David-A> Shark_friend: I don't know exactly *all* the places it may be. I would change them when I find them.
[23:22] <David-A> Shark_friend: you want a specific guide for changing the splash during login?
[23:23] <Shark_friend> how i do it ?
[23:23] <Shark_friend> yes, please
[23:24] <David-A> Shark_friend: I don't know what the menues would be in portugese, but in english Settings>SessionAndStartup>Splash
[23:24] <David-A> Shark_friend: ...there you can select a theme, or None, or change an existing theme by "Configure" and for example Image>Use custom image.
[23:25] <Shark_friend> Ok, have you ever done it before
[23:25] <Shark_friend> ?
[23:25] <Shark_friend> i liked so much the xubuntu, but the rat icon.
[23:26] <David-A> Shark_friend: I have changed splash some time. I have not changed image in a splash.
[23:26] <David-A> Shark_friend: ah, you have not fall in love in the little animal yet :)
[23:26] <Shark_friend> i want replace it, so i want to put in computer the files of backtrack * all programs
[23:26] <Shark_friend> kk, yeah
[23:26] <Shark_friend> i prefer the backtrack icon
[23:27] <Shark_friend> David, plase send to some tuto with someone changing the icons,
[23:27] <David-A> Shark_friend: I am not sure what you mean by the "backtrack" icon. (I really do not need to know to explain where settings menues are. Or?)
[23:28] <Shark_friend> the backtrack - the dragon icon
[23:28] <Cheri703> David-A: http://www.backtrack-linux.org/downloads/
[23:28] <Cheri703> probably backtrack linux
[23:28] <Cheri703> er here http://www.backtrack-linux.org/
[23:28] <Shark_friend> i had backtrack, i use it so much
[23:28] <Shark_friend> i had it on live usb .   I like the little rat more :)
[23:29] <Shark_friend> put another icon
[23:30] <Cheri703> think of it as a gerbil or something if you don't like rats :)
[23:30] <Shark_friend> kkk, but is it possible i change ?
[23:30] <Shark_friend> put another icon
[23:31] <David-A> Shark_friend: yes, I have told you how to change in 3 places. if you find the rat in more places and cannot figure out how to change there, ask again for that.
[23:32] <Shark_friend> what do you think about xubuntu, forget now my problem with icon.
[23:32] <Shark_friend> in your opinion, why it's better than ubuntu ?
[23:33] <David-A> Shark_friend: compared to for example ubuntu (gnome and unity) and lubuntu (lxde) I think it is easy to configure the user interface to you liking.
[23:34] <Shark_friend> i didn't liked the interface of the ubuntu, i prefer the Xubuntu is more easier
[23:35] <Shark_friend> i have one idea, get the best points of the windows, linux, and mac and put in inside a s.o
[23:35] <Shark_friend> xubuntu is this s.o, to me it has the all the nice points all the 3
[23:36] <Shark_friend> and i just need to change the icon, kkkkk so put the backtrack db inside
[23:36] <David-A> Shark_friend: (s.o = operating system = os, right?)
[23:37] <Shark_friend> yeah,
[23:37] <Shark_friend> Operating system.
[23:38] <Shark_friend> I had backtrack on a live cd, it's fast but to my house computers another distro should be better
[23:38] <David-A> Shark_friend: there is a linux distro called "Pear" (pear linux) that tries to look like Apple Mac. (I have not tried it)
[23:39] <Shark_friend> i liked this distro, i just want change the icon
[23:40] <Shark_friend> when i said mac, not a distro like mac, just a distro that had the nice points of the MAC.
[23:40] <Shark_friend> a useful distro, with windows visual e fast so fast.
[23:42] <David-A> Shark_friend: what is the nice points of mac or windows may be personal opinions, and different people would want to copy different things into a new o.s. therefor there are many linux distros, each is the "best" for some people.
[23:43] <David-A> Shark_friend: xfce is good because you can change so many things to come near what you think is best.
[23:44] <Shark_friend> yeah,now is the icon
[23:44] <Shark_friend> kkkkk,
[23:45] <David-A> Shark_friend: if you like the "task bar" of mac and win7, you can install a "dock" in xubuntu and have similar behaviour. there are more than one dock to choose from.
[23:45] <Shark_friend> i like the task bar of xubuntu, i just want change the icon i said
[23:46] <Shark_friend> i want put the icon of backtrack or something more cool.
[23:46] <David-A> Shark_friend: as I said, I have explained how to change the icon in 3 places. have you done that now?
[23:47] <Shark_friend> i can't, i'm on another computer now, i gone do it tomorrow.
[23:48] <Shark_friend> is there some way to i speak with u ?
[23:48] <Shark_friend> a email ?
[23:50] <David-A> if you do not remember the settings menus I mentioned 20 or 30 minutes ago, then ask again in this channel when you have access to your xubuntu computer.
[23:50] <David-A> Shark_friend: ^
[23:51] <Shark_friend> ook,
[23:51] <David-A> Shark_friend: did you install your xubuntu with english or brasilian language?
[23:51] <Shark_friend> i'll do it tomorrow, :)
[23:52] <Shark_friend> I installed with in portuguese,
[23:52] <Shark_friend> but i  can change the language with no problems
[23:52] <David-A> Shark_friend: good.
[23:53] <Shark_friend> Are you always join in this IRC /
[23:53] <Shark_friend> ?:
[23:53] <Shark_friend> tomorrow, i gonna be here
[23:53] <David-A> Shark_friend: I think you can find the places where one changes the icons. Sometimes a right-click with the mouse on the icons. Sometimes in the settings menus.
[23:54] <Shark_friend> the most important now, is the login the task bar icon
[23:54] <Shark_friend> Here in my country people don't use distros of linux so much, all they prefer the windows.
[23:55] <Shark_friend> I use backtrack, and liked so i started to think about distros
[23:55] <David-A> Shark_friend: I do not know in advance when I will be in this channel. But other people can help you as well. If not, try the #ubuntu-br channel.
[23:56] <Shark_friend> i'm try, man : )
[23:56] <Shark_friend> how long do you use this distro ?
[23:56] <David-A> Shark_friend: only about 6 years.
[23:57] <Shark_friend> LoL, i started to use the distro Backtrack 2 months ago
[23:58] <Shark_friend> it's nice, and i can put it inside the xubuntu,still more nice.
[23:58] <Shark_friend> and i'm a teen yet i have so much to learn


[02:40] <habys> oh hey... so uh, the only time I had seen the installer crash like this before is, when the clock on the hardware was wrong
[02:41] <habys> in my deployments I've got an early script that forces systemd-timesyncd to run... whats the chance of makin' that kinda thing..default?
[02:41] <habys> cause of course if the clock is wrong apt will die
[03:58] <habys> so, the installer on the ISO I grabbed today still crashes
[03:58] <habys> https://i.imgur.com/B65zDNg.png
[04:00] <habys> Oh, it's just a warning.. "W: Download is performed unsandboxed as root as file '/tmp/tmpSADFSADF/mount/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_lunar_InRelease' couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire:Run (13: Permission Denied)
[04:01] <habys> Oh..it is a crash. I sent the error log. Hope that helps, but I don't see how anyone could install it without that crash, so it should be easy to replicate.


 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/fce1169e/file_58348.jpg
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/2c79d84b/file_58349.jpg
 Hey, awesome is that a Gen4 ?
 It is this: https://kfocus.org/spec/spec-m2.html (re @Rick_Timmis: Hey, awesome is that a Gen4 ?)
 Oh man that's lush. It's got QHD screen too
 indeed
 I'm super excited for you, 😁
 Not set it up yet, as I got nasty lurgy just after it being shipped. But I will in the next few days
 Write down your experience, maybe take a few more photos. I'd be happy to put a post up on the website
 Hope you feel better soon, so you can have some fun with it
 That could be a good idea, and least I can probably to tho thank Mike (re @Rick_Timmis: Write down your experience, maybe take a few more photos. I'd be happy to put a post up on the website)
 That could be a good idea, and least I can probably do to thank Mike (re @Rick_Timmis: Write down your experience, maybe take a few more photos. I'd be happy to put a post up on the website)
 Nudge me when you're ready, I'll be delighted to work with you on it
 Ok, cool
 The build quality feels lovely. The pictures on the focus website don't quite convey it
 Did you get a nice box too ?
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/b9ac78fd/file_58350.jpg
 That?
 Yes that's the one 🥰
 Focus all set up. Had to do a clean install due to some issues, but got there in the end
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/91e7387c/file_58353.jpg
 I will do better pics later
[10:03] <mparillo> Looks great. Especially with the ANSI keyboard ;-) And I learned a new word today: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/lurgy