[00:57] <holstein> ScottL: did you see all those build errors :/
[00:57] <holstein> i guess xorg?
[00:57] <holstein> changes
[00:58] <holstein> thats probably not your're iessu though
[00:58] <holstein> issue*
[00:58] <holstein> the sigterm thing
[01:11] <ScottL> yeah i saw the xorg email :(
[01:12] <holstein> :/
[01:12] <ScottL> since its xorg i expect others to be looking into though :)
[01:12] <ScottL> but yeah, i don't think it's my sigterm issue
[01:13] <ScottL> i'll be trying the 32bit copy of natty downloaded yesterday
[01:13] <holstein> i did 64-bit for sure
[01:13] <ScottL> i managed to install a lucid install so it's probably not my new machine :)
[01:13] <holstein> not ubuntustudio though
[01:14] <holstein> i should have tried the US iso then
[01:14] <holstein> didnt think about it
[01:15] <ScottL> i'll try the 32bit ubuntustudio install later tonight, see what happens
[01:16] <ScottL> i suppose i could try vanilla ubuntu and then work on the ubuntustudio-settings package to test build it for the unity vs gnome-session issue
[03:43] <ailo> ScottL: Aren't there other outdated packages as well?
[03:45] <ailo> The pavudevchooser, for instance.
[03:45] <ailo> padevchooser, I mean
[03:48] <ailo> I also noticed hal is a dependency, is it needed for something?
[03:53] <ScottL> ailo, i don't really know, but you can file a bug report against it pointing out that dependency
[15:05] <scott-work> holstein:  i wonder if an email to the jack-devel mailing list would be helpful for the firewire bug you reported
[15:38] <holstein> scott-work: jack or ffado?
[15:38] <holstein> nah, JACK...
[15:54] <scott-work> holstein:  i imagine this has to do with permission for jack start correct?
[15:54]  * scott-work doesn't really know because he doesn't have a firewire device
[15:55] <holstein> its all kinda over my head still
[15:55] <holstein> i can test things though
[15:55] <holstein> and ailo and i are discussing it and looking things up here and there
[16:06] <ailo> holstein: we are talking about firewire on 10.10, right?
[16:07] <holstein> ailo: suer
[16:07] <holstein> sure*
[16:08] <holstein> we've been talking about 11.04 too though
[16:08] <holstein> i still havent installed the RT kernel and tested yet
[16:08] <ailo> It seems firewire won't start on either 10.10 and 11.04 without aboganis kernel, right?
[16:08] <holstein> ailo: thats the theory
[16:08] <holstein> im not going to change anything else
[16:09] <holstein> just get that kernel, boot and run sudo qjackctl
[16:09] <holstein> so that should be the only changing variable
[16:10] <holstein> im doing a talk tomorrow at my LUG
[16:10] <holstein> about linux audio
[16:10] <holstein> the laptop i wanted to use has a power issue
[16:10] <holstein> all kinds of noise in whatever interface i try and use with it
[16:10] <holstein> while its plugged in
[16:10] <holstein> and the battery will only last a few seconds ;)
[16:10] <ailo> Yeah, I recognize that
[16:11] <holstein> the other notebook i have has a VIA chip
[16:11] <holstein> and i cant get the VGA to work
[16:11] <holstein> and i need to send to a projector
[16:11] <holstein> maybe i'll just show it on the screen
[16:12] <holstein> and tell whoever is interested they can come over and see it in action if they want
[16:12] <holstein> i dont know how much noise i can make there anyways
[16:12] <ailo> Is the noise really that high from the power?
[16:12] <holstein> its ridiculous
[16:12] <holstein> ive never heard such noise
[16:13] <holstein> something is wrong
[16:13] <ailo> I had some when trying to record on a laptop. Must be some earth, thing.
[16:13] <holstein> it was a donated computer
[16:13] <holstein> traded for work
[16:13] <holstein> who knows
[16:13] <holstein> and its not so nice that i want to go buy a battery and/or power supply
[16:14] <ailo> Maybe a gate after the soundcard?
[16:15] <ailo> And play only real loud music, so the hum is not heard.
[16:15] <holstein> yeah, and ive had that noise before
[16:15] <holstein> this is that only like 20 times worse
[16:15] <holstein> its strange and electrical somehow
[16:16] <holstein> turning the volume down on the amp or speakers has no affect
[16:16] <holstein> effect*
[16:16] <ailo> Well, I think you should try maximizing the sound from your laptop and minimizing on speakers.
[16:17] <holstein> you can hear loud pops with the mouse
[16:17] <holstein> and when keys are pressed
[16:17] <holstein> ailo: i know
[16:17] <holstein> but this is USB, firewire
[16:17] <holstein> whatever
[16:17] <holstein> and with the volume literally all the way off
[16:17] <holstein> on the amp
[16:18] <holstein> its getting passed through somehow
[16:18] <holstein> the volume doesnt change the volume of the noise at all
[16:18] <ailo> It's pretty common to get noise, from usb disks, from the screen...
[16:18] <holstein> usually i can get in's pretty clean via firewire
[16:18] <holstein> and that could still be the case
[16:19] <holstein> i havent tried that
[16:19] <holstein> the out is what i need tomorrow
[16:19] <ailo> Good luck. Sounds like a nightmare.
[16:19] <holstein> eh
[16:20] <holstein> could be worse
[16:20] <holstein> at least i have options
[16:20] <holstein> i can always carry the studio box down there
[16:20] <holstein> i was just expecting it to be easy
[16:21] <holstein> thats what i get for having expectations
[16:51] <scott-work> i have heard that some laptops suffer from ground looping when plugging into an electrical outlet
[16:51] <scott-work> the best thing is to run off of battery to avoid it was the advice
[16:51] <holstein> i should price one
[16:52] <holstein> before i give up on this one
[16:54] <scott-work> eviljames is WAYYY out there on #osmp
[16:55] <holstein> seems commited to his philosphy
[16:55] <scott-work> i just wanted to point out that i found the disparity between the public outrage/media covered on assange/wikileaks and those that broke laws to steal secret documents a little extreme
[16:56] <scott-work> and he's frothing about cheney getting people killed and the government is evilllll!!!!111ONEONETWO
[16:56] <holstein> in theory, our system is set up where a guy like eviljames should be able to run for some office
[16:56] <holstein> and change something
[16:56] <holstein> OR influence
[16:56] <holstein> nothing illegal about that
[16:56] <scott-work> OR get on an IRC channel as go bat shit crazy
[16:56] <holstein> hehe
[16:57] <scott-work> lol...i probably shouldn't have typed that
[16:57] <holstein> eh, its the -dev channel
[16:57] <holstein> we're all adults here
[16:57] <holstein> its not a regular occurance


[03:26] <sirriffsalot> I'm quickscanning jack to see why I'm getting surprisingly many xruns.. One of the "not good" results say that I have a kernel without real-time capabilities.. I have a lowlatency kernel:-S
[03:26] <sirriffsalot> When playing songs with vlc, audacious or just regions in ardour, every now and then there is a stream of unbearable xruns.. None whatsoever when jack is not running.. Any ideas on that?
[08:42] <smartboyhw> Hi!
[08:54] <cfhowlett> smartboyhw: greetings
[08:56] <smartboyhw> cfhowlett: Hi
[08:56] <smartboyhw> It's me who should say greeting.
[08:57] <smartboyhw> I'm a Ubuntu Studio team member, after all.
[09:02] <cfhowlett> smartboyhw: either way ... hello.  And may I say US Team Member I am QUITE pleased with the new web site and recent resurgence of US activity.
[09:06] <smartboyhw> OK, I'm new, actually
[09:06] <smartboyhw> I'm for support and testing
[09:06] <smartboyhw> So I need to always be here.
[09:07] <cfhowlett> smartboyhw: hey, maybe you can help.  got a xubuntu user in main channel who needs to force a hardware reset of his wifi...
[09:09] <smartboyhw> cfhowlett: I am not responsible for Xubuntu, only Ubuntu Studio. Sorry
[09:09] <smartboyhw> !support
[09:11] <cfhowlett> smartboyhw: fair enough.  thanks anywayz
[09:30]  * smartboyhw waves at _MOSMarauder
[10:58] <_MOSMarauder> xD
[10:59] <_MOSMarauder> hi smartboyhw_away
[12:38] <smartboyhw> HI!
[13:42] <Joao> hello, I heard that the kernel liquorix works better than low-latency kernel. and saw that it is only for debian, but it is possible to install it on ubuntu. If I install the kernel liquorix will have a performance gain in ubuntu studio?
[13:43] <smartboyhw> Joao: Hi
[13:43] <smartboyhw> Joao: I don't think so
[13:44] <Joao> why?
[13:52] <smartboyhw> Well, seriously, we don't recommend so
[14:04] <Unit193> Joao: There are some issues if you select another kernel than the main ones, but it does technically work as I do use it on a computer.
[14:04] <smartboyhw> Unit193: Hi!
[14:04] <Unit193> Check the disclaimer on thius page for example //help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[14:05] <Unit193> smartboyhw: Something I can help you with?
[14:05] <smartboyhw> Unit193: NO thanks, I'm a member of the Ubuntu Studio Team!
[14:14]  * smartboyhw waves at elst
[15:58] <sirriffsalot> Hey, I'm having these frequent streams of xruns, and yesterday I think I've narrowed things down to needing a realtime kernel.. Any comments on that?
[16:22] <holstein> sirriffsalot: you can also relax your JACK settings
[16:22] <holstein> sirriffsalot: sometimes, you can get a kernel, and you can lower your latency and have better performance,and less xruns
[16:22] <sirriffsalot> holstein, not really..  I need pretty low latency:)
[16:22] <holstein> i have a peice of hardware that actually works *much* better with a generic kernel
[16:22] <sirriffsalot> Getting other hardware is not an option for the month to be, so:)
[16:23] <holstein> i can get 2ms latency, where, with the realtime one, it xruns, and crashes at all settings
[16:23] <holstein> sirriffsalot: im not suggesting either
[16:23] <sirriffsalot> On a laptop in mexico, so gonna have to try the realtime one
[16:23] <holstein> sirriffsalot: what im saying is... a kernel is not going to magically make your machine "better"
[16:23] <holstein> you try the realtime kernel.. its a quick and easy download.. and have realistic expectations
[16:24] <sirriffsalot> Ok, wanna tell me where I download it from? Having some trouble getting it:)
[16:24] <sirriffsalot> About to get the KXStudio PPA..
[16:24] <holstein> sirriffsalot: yup.. thats what i would suggest.. its easy and quick
[16:24] <holstein> the kernel PPA
[16:24] <sirriffsalot> KXStudio?
[16:24] <sirriffsalot> Or what ppa in particular?
[16:25] <holstein> sirriffsalot: the kxstudio kernel PPA.. or any with the kernel you'd like to try
[16:25] <sirriffsalot> holstein, can you recommend any relatime kernel?:):)
[16:25] <holstein> sirriffsalot: i know, my first time, i didnt add the PPA, i just goet the .deb's out of the PPA, and installed
[16:26] <sirriffsalot> How do you do that? Haha:)
[16:26] <holstein> sirriffsalot: sure.. the realtime kernel we are discussing currently.. the one falk has packaged.. the one in the kxstudio kernel ppa we are talking about, that you can optionally not use is the one i suggest
[16:26] <holstein> sirriffsalot: you go to the link, and download the .deb's
[16:26] <sirriffsalot> I'm https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/kernel at the moment
[16:27] <sirriffsalot> I see no way of getting the .deb file
[16:27] <holstein> sirriffsalot: you can right click on the one's you find and want from here
[16:27] <holstein> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kxstudio-team/kernel/ubuntu/pool/main/l/
[16:27] <holstein> from here http://ppa.launchpad.net/kxstudio-team/kernel/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-meta-realtime/
[16:28] <holstein> for example...
[16:28] <holstein> wget http://ppa.launchpad.net/kxstudio-team/kernel/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-meta-realtime/linux-realtime_<IP_ADDRESS>.25~precise1_i386.deb
[16:28] <holstein> for a 32bit machine
[16:29] <holstein> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kxstudio-team/kernel/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-meta-realtime/linux-headers-realtime_<IP_ADDRESS>.25~precise1_i386.deb
[16:29] <holstein> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kxstudio-team/kernel/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-meta-realtime/linux-image-realtime_<IP_ADDRESS>.25~precise1_i386.deb
[16:29] <sirriffsalot> You make it seem so easy..
[16:29] <holstein> sirriffsalot: it should take a few minutes
[16:29] <sirriffsalot> Why are you linking this many??:D
[16:29] <holstein> sirriffsalot: you need all 3 AFAIK.. seems like you can have 2
[16:29] <holstein> i try one, when it says "this depends on X".. i install X
[16:30] <holstein> sirriffsalot: you'll need 2 of them IIRC
[16:30] <holstein> sirriffsalot: download all 3 for the version you want/need... install them in one big sweep if you want like..
[16:31] <sirriffsalot> Ah right, hang on
[16:31] <holstein> sudo dpkg -i /path/to/file1.deb /path/to/file2.deb ...so on
[16:31] <holstein> you can then search "linux" in any package manager and easily "undo" what you are doing.. though, you arent going to break anything... you dont remove the other kernel
[16:32] <sirriffsalot> Can't I just open the deb files in synaptic?:S
[16:32] <holstein> i have machines that the realtime kernel breaks wifi on
[16:32] <holstein> i have machines that the realtime kernel wont work in a way i am comfortable compromising with the grahpics cards
[16:33] <holstein> if it "just worked", we would use it, and ship with it... but the lowlatency is a good compromise
[16:33] <holstein> sirriffsalot: you can literally install those howeer you are comfortable
[16:33] <holstein> however*
[16:33] <sirriffsalot> Synaptic it is then(A)
[16:34] <holstein> if you add the ppa, you can just install the meta package.. the linux-realtime or whatever it is falk called it
[16:34] <sirriffsalot> Yeah, I'll try the hard way first
[16:35] <sirriffsalot> Uhm
[16:35] <sirriffsalot> If I try to do it with the terminal
[16:35] <holstein> just depends on what you want... all ways are "easy" or "hard" and you are capable of breaking your system
[16:35] <sirriffsalot> As you showed me: "sudo dpkg -i /home/sirriffsalot/(one of the three packages) I get an error message for every one..
[16:35] <holstein> sirriffsalot: feel free and share any helpful error messages.. i would "auto complete" the path with tab
[16:37] <sirriffsalot> Basically whatever package I attempt installing results in terminal telling me it depends on the other two being configured/installed..
[16:38] <holstein> sirriffsalot: all i can say is, it worked for me... pastebin it if you like... or click on them and make gdebi or whatever its called kick off and maybe help you more than the terminal output is
[16:38] <sirriffsalot> Pastebinning
[16:39] <sirriffsalot> http://pastebin.com/4397RKGw
[16:40] <holstein> sirriffsalot: im suggesting that you do all of them at once
[16:40] <holstein> sudo dpkg -i /file/one.deb /file/two.deb
[16:41] <holstein> you can see how they depend on each other, and wont go by themselves
[16:41] <holstein> sudo dpkg -i /file/one.deb /file/two.deb /file/three.deb
[16:41] <sirriffsalot> Hmm ok
[16:42] <sirriffsalot> This order did not work sudo dpkg -i /home/sirriffsalot/linux-image-realtime_<IP_ADDRESS>.25~precise1_i386.deb linux-headers-realtime_<IP_ADDRESS>.25~precise1_i386.deb linux-realtime_<IP_ADDRESS>.25~precise1_i386.deb
[16:43] <holstein> sirriffsalot: its not the order.. its the command
[16:43] <sirriffsalot> Oh:S
[16:43] <holstein> you only have the path once
[16:43] <sirriffsalot> Haha
[16:43] <holstein> the path needs to be for each one
[16:43] <sirriffsalot> Ok
[16:44] <sirriffsalot> sudo dpkg -i /home/sirriffsalot/linux-image-realtime_<IP_ADDRESS>.25~precise1_i386.deb /home/sirriffsalot/linux-headers-realtime_<IP_ADDRESS>.25~precise1_i386.deb /home/sirriffsalot/linux-realtime_<IP_ADDRESS>.25~precise1_i386.deb
[16:44] <sirriffsalot> Still error message
[16:44] <sirriffsalot> Ah nvm, haha
[16:45] <sirriffsalot> The files are in /home/sirriffsalot already, no need for that path
[16:45] <holstein> sirriffsalot: depends...i typically just tab complete
[16:45] <sirriffsalot> I do too, apparently I'm an expert in getting the order wrong
[16:46] <holstein> ive been doing that since something that should have taken me about 4 mintues took me a half hour because i had similar errors to troubleshoot
[16:47] <holstein> i used to drag them over from nautilus and let them get "completed" automatically... im no hacker, i just need to get things done and move on
[16:47] <holstein> like is suggest for you.. this kernel is *not* magic
[16:47] <sirriffsalot> Well let's see:)
[16:47] <sirriffsalot> I've done it in every possible order, still get error messages of the same nature:(
[16:47] <holstein> i wouldnt waste a long time chasing rainbows... i fought and fought and wasted time, now i can get 2ms latency
[16:47] <holstein> but, i usually dont
[16:47] <holstein> sirriffsalot: add the ppa
[16:48] <sirriffsalot> Aww
[16:48] <sirriffsalot> Hehe, ah well
[16:48] <holstein> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kxstudio-team/kernel
[16:48] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[16:48] <holstein> sudo apt-get install linux-realtime
[16:48] <holstein> reboot, tap shift.. select the kernel.. test.. debate.. decide.. enjoy
[16:49] <sirriffsalot> Yeah, doing that
[16:49] <sirriffsalot> But I need more than just linux-realtime no?
[16:50] <holstein> sirriffsalot: thats the meta-package.. it'll pull in what it needs.. so, yes and no
[16:50] <sirriffsalot> Ok, sec
[16:53] <sirriffsalot> Wtf, linux-realtime, according to synaptic, is already installed, but not the headers hand image
[16:53] <sirriffsalot> Haha
[16:53] <holstein> sirriffsalot: you probably installed something earlier trying to get it without the PPA
[16:54] <sirriffsalot> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[16:54] <sirriffsalot> E: Unable to lock the download directory
[16:54] <sirriffsalot> Great..
[16:55] <holstein> sirriffsalot: yup.. you really shouldnt do anything like this without knowing about pacakge management.. you can really break things, like i said
[16:55] <sirriffsalot> From synaptic, is it not easier to go for linux-realtime-pae?
[16:55] <sirriffsalot> Hehe
[16:55] <holstein> sirriffsalot: open a terminal... close *everyting* else
[16:55] <holstein> run..
[16:55] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[16:55] <holstein> report errors
[16:56] <sirriffsalot> Ok:)
[16:56] <sirriffsalot> I really appreciate your time
[16:56] <sirriffsalot> Including vlc and xchat?:P
[16:57] <holstein> sirriffsalot: no worries.. im here for a bit more
[16:57] <sirriffsalot> http://pastebin.com/J6CHf8WQ
[16:58] <holstein> sirriffsalot: sudo apt-get install linux-realtime
[16:58] <holstein> report errors again
[16:59] <sirriffsalot> Ah, that error message earlier was when messing around in synaptic^^
[17:01] <sirriffsalot> On a slow wireless network, this is taking a minute or two
[17:02] <sirriffsalot> Well, I'l getting the restart suggestion here.. I suppose it worked :-S Shall I hold shift to enter the grub menu to select the realtime kernel or?
[17:02] <holstein> tap shift... boot the kernel you choose
[17:04] <sirriffsalot> Fingers crossed:)
[17:04] <sirriffsalot> Cheers! Rebooting


[00:06] <hazamonzo> Hey folks. Whats the best desktop recording software for KDE these days?
[00:06] <sithlord48> i have used krecordmydesktop
[00:08] <hazamonzo> sithlord48: oddly enough i just installed the recordmydesktop (without the k at the begining) and i can't seem to find it in my laucher menu
[00:08] <sithlord48> iirc its a terminal program w/ a qt or gtk front end
[00:09] <hazamonzo> sithlord48: oh right
[00:09] <hazamonzo> just ran it and it was recording from the commandline
[00:09] <hazamonzo> know... thats cool but i remember a better applications that allowed me to have a UI with options... :s
[00:10] <sithlord48>  the options can be set via the front end.
[00:10] <sithlord48> perhaps it was one of them
[00:10] <hazamonzo> sithlord48: hmmm... maybe thats the different between krecordmydesktop and recordmydesktop
[00:11] <hazamonzo> I can't seem to find krecordmydesktop in the repo
[00:11] <sithlord48> or maybe it was record it now
[00:12] <hazamonzo> hmmm that sounds familiar
[00:12] <sithlord48> record it now "a plugin based desktop recorder for KDE SC4"
[00:12] <hazamonzo> I can't seem to find that in the repo either
[00:12] <hazamonzo> Weird!
[00:13] <sithlord48> im on arch atm . iirc on kubuntu i had to add a ppa
[00:13] <hazamonzo> I'll do a bit of googling then
[00:13] <hazamonzo> Thanks sithlord48!
[00:14] <sithlord48> there is also on arch a qt-recordmydesktop package ( a qt front end for record my desktop)
[00:14] <sithlord48> so you can try that also if you can't find record it now
[01:50] <excalibr> Is it possible to set specific display to use for a particular Activity?
[01:51] <excalibr> Simonious, hazamonzo
[03:13] <finetundra_> hey folks, how do I set a static IP?
[03:13] <finetundra_> I'm using XFCE if that helps
[03:15] <finetundra_> oh god, wrong channel
[05:06] <MelRay> Anyone know of a how to on setting up a live web server? I have a domain and dons is setup. all the articles I see use local host instead of a domain
[09:21] <yossarianuk> hey - does this KDE update fix the slow login problem with 15.10 ? -> https://dot.kde.org/2015/11/10/kde-ships-plasma-543-bugfix-release-november
[09:27] <yossarianuk> i.e the main issue with 15.10 now is it takes ages to login to KDE - during which time (about 20 -30 secs) the desktop is unusable and the taskbar icons are not correctly positioned...
[09:27] <yossarianuk> if anyone aware if plasma 5.4.3 fixes this ?
[09:29] <yossarianuk> OpenSuse 42.1 (leap) doesn't have the issue btw (I thought it was the same version of plasma shipped with 15.10
[09:33] <kdefanno6> yossarianuk: you mean this one:https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-nm/+bug/1509334 ?
[09:37] <younes_> salut
[09:38] <younes_> pourquoi le son coupe tres souvent dans mon kubuntu je dois a chaque fois redemmarer mon pc pour qui remarche
[09:39] <younes_> svp aider moi
[09:45] <yossarianuk> kdefanno6: possibly
[09:45] <yossarianuk> kdefanno6: It sounds like it
[09:45] <yossarianuk> kdefanno6: Its a terrible impression for new users....
[09:45] <yossarianuk> the task bar is garbled until it fully loads ... Looks like KDE is broken.
[09:46] <yossarianuk> cool - I see update is out today
[09:46] <yossarianuk> Will test !
[09:47] <younes_> il y a pas quelqu'un qui peut me parler en français?
[09:48] <hateball> !fr | younes_
[09:49] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:13] <jonah> hi I just wondered if anyone could please help with a broken system. I upgraded from 14.10 and now get a kernel panic. I can boot from the older 4.0 kernel just not the new 4.2... I've tried repair mode in grub and also dpkg reconfigure but so far no luck...
[10:14] <s_20> yossarianuk: as in the fix will be in kubuntu today or upstream fixed it?
[10:14] <s_20> i don't have problems like that on my machines at home running on debian unstable :\
[10:14] <akram> hi
[10:15] <akram> i have questione pls
[10:15] <Guest45185> how many versions in kubuntu?
[10:16] <yossarianuk> s_20: it seemed to be introduced just before 15.10 release
[10:16] <yossarianuk> I had been running 15.10 for about 2 months before release with no issues until about a week before release date.
[10:16] <yossarianuk> Guest45185: Can you confirm what you mean ?
[10:17] <Guest45185> i wanna knew about all the versions
[10:18] <Guest45185> can you help me please
[10:24] <yossarianuk> Guest45185: versions of what ?
[10:24] <yossarianuk> Guest45185: do you mean support version of Kubuntu?
[10:24] <yossarianuk> *supported*
[10:30] <Guest45185> yes
[10:30] <Guest45185> yes sir
[10:30] <Guest45185> can i knew about that
[10:30] <Guest45185> please
[10:32] <hateball> !lts
[10:32] <hateball> !wily
[10:32] <hateball> That's it
[10:33] <yossarianuk> 15.04 is support for about 3 months also
[10:33] <yossarianuk> no point installing it though. use 15.10
[10:42] <Guest45185> so kubuntu and ubuntu are the same ?
[10:43] <hateball> Guest45185: Just different default packages
[10:45] <Guest45185> okay . so , kubuntu has more the 12 suppoet   versions ?
[11:07] <yossarianuk> Guest45185: no
[11:07] <yossarianuk> Guest45185: the supported versions as of now are 15.04, 15.10 and 14.04 LTS
[11:24] <songfellow1> « /msg nickserv register chaos3<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:26] <rom1504> songfellow1: try again
[11:44] <songfellow1>  /msg nickserv register chaos3<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:12] <dv_> in kubuntu 14.10 , I had gcr-prompter installed, and whenever I pulled something with git, its graphical prompter came up, asking me for the ssh key passphrase. it loaded that key into the resident ssh-agent.
[12:13] <dv_> in kubuntu 15.10, this doesn't work anymore. I tried setting SSH_ASKPASS, GIT_ASKPASS, core.askpass in gitconfig, nothing works. it still asks me every time the passphrase, and does _not_ automatically insert the key into the ssh-agent.
[12:13] <dv_> any ideas?
[12:45] <jonah> any body around that can help fix an unbootable system? Well it boots from an old kernel, but can't get it to update properly or boot from the newest. also dist-upgrade hasn't finished properly but dpkg reconfigure gives an error.
[12:47] <kdefanno6> jonah: remove the newest then, and use the old one.
[12:49] <jonah> kdefanno6: Hi thanks, but it's also stopping other updates happening...
[12:50] <rvk> hi all
[12:52] <trixi> hi
[13:48] <Wiz-TDD> hi there
[13:48] <Wiz-TDD> I just installed kubuntu 15.10 and I see a few problems : xchat does not appear in the miniature zone when minimised
[13:49] <Wiz-TDD> I installed hexchat, same result
[13:49] <Wiz-TDD> skype appears
[13:49] <s_20> Wiz-TDD: by "minituare zone" you mean the systray?
[13:50] <jubo2> Hi.
[13:50] <s_20> if that's the case, it's up to each program to do that or not, nothing happens automatically
[13:50] <jubo2> Got a 14.04 that's been out of the game for half an year
[13:50] <jubo2> what's the best procedure to get it to latest
[13:51] <jubo2> I mean do I run 'sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade' before the dist-upgrade ?
[13:51] <Wiz-TDD> sorry had to kill hexchat as I minimized it :(
[13:51] <s_20> 13:49 < s_20> Wiz-TDD: by "minituare zone" you mean the systray?
[13:51] <s_20> 13:50 < s_20> if that's the case, it's up to each program to do that or not, nothing happens automatically
[13:52] <Wiz-TDD> s_20 not sure I need to check, I am using it in French,
[13:52] <s_20> oh boy.
[13:53] <kdefanno6> Wiz-TDD: probably related to this: http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2014/06/where-are-my-systray-icons/ and potential solution in the future: http://blog.davidedmundson.co.uk/blog/xembed_back
[13:54] <s_20> kdefanno6: if his minimised programs are *gone* he might have removed the task manager widget accidentally
[13:54] <Wiz-TDD> kdefanno6, looking at the links, thank you, i'll let you know after i read
[13:55] <Wiz-TDD> s_20, the processes are still running once "gone" from the systray, but can't have them appearing again
[13:55] <Wiz-TDD> so i kill them and restart :s
[13:55] <s_20> Wiz-TDD: well, *do* you still ahve the task manager widget?
[13:57] <Wiz-TDD> s_20, as I'm using it in french, I'm not sure what you call the task manager widget : I have all the widgets from the "standard" installation
[13:57] <Wiz-TDD> on the bottom right, sound/network/powermgmt/instant msg/etc
[13:58] <Wiz-TDD> s_20, main part of the bottom bar, the applications "icons"
[13:59] <Wiz-TDD> (clicking on them shows or minimises the application window
[13:59] <Wiz-TDD> :'((((((((((((((
[14:00] <s_20> Wiz-TDD: well, soundsl ike you still have the task manager
[14:01] <s_20> but as pointed out in the link from kdefanno6, you probably don't have libappindicator1 and libappindicator3-1 installed
[14:01] <s_20> as (he)xchat uses gtk and not qt, like skype does, that might be a problem
[14:02] <Wiz-TDD> I'm looking at it
[14:04] <hateball> jubo2: there is no way from 14.04 to 15.10, if that is what you are asking
[14:04] <hateball> jubo2: wait for 16.04, then you can upgrade straight to that
[14:04] <s_20> hateball: what do you mean 'there is no way'?
[14:04] <jubo2> I think I can choose to update to non-LTS somewhere
[14:05] <hateball> s_20: No supported way
[14:05] <hateball> You'd need to upgrade to 14.10 -> 15.04 -> 15.10, and 14.10 is EOL so the repos will not work
[14:05] <jubo2> maybe this is 14.10
[14:06] <jubo2> where do I check
[14:06] <hateball> jubo2: "lsb_release -a"
[14:06] <jubo2> 14.04
[14:07] <hateball> The least painful option is to wait for next april
[14:08] <wuschLOR> can somebody help me with some pgp and thunderbird problems can't decrypt mails anymore
[14:08] <melray> Ok so why doesn't find locate httpd.conf? find: `name=httpd.conf': No such file or directory
[14:09] <s_20> hateball: that does seem like a major design flaw
[14:10] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:11] <Wiz-TDD> s_20: konversation, available in kubuntu baseline seem to work for me... so I guess I will just use that one
[14:12] <s_20> Wiz-TDD: did you try to install these packages?
[14:13] <Wiz-TDD> s_20: nope, but I do not see the interest as this icr app looks as good as xchat/hexchat
[14:16] <Gamayun> wuschLOR: Since when are you unable to decrypt mails?
[14:16] <Simonious> excalibr: specific screen..?  what?  is this a #screen question?
[14:17] <hateball> s_20: It's just to do with being able to support various versions
[14:18] <s_20> hateball: well it wouldn't hurt anyone to leave old repistory's as-is
[14:19] <hateball> !eolupgrade | s_20
[14:19] <s_20> hateball: i get that
[14:20] <s_20> it just leaves people who have an outdated machine and want to re-activate it hanging high and dry
[14:20] <s_20> which, for lack of a better word, seems kind of un-linux-y
[14:35] <jubo2> Heyyy.
[14:35] <jubo2> How do I enable that I see what the system is loading when it is stating up?
[14:36] <jubo2> Call me oldfashioned but I like GNU/Linukka that way
[14:36] <hateball> jubo2: edit out "quiet splash" in grub
[14:37] <jubo2> /etc/grub or something thereabouts..
[14:37] <jubo2> thanks hateball
[14:39] <hateball> jubo2: /etc/defaults/grub and then rebuild the grub config
[14:39] <hateball> err, /etc/default/grub
[14:41] <jubo2> ok commented it out
[14:41] <jubo2> hateball: how do I "rebuild" the config?
[14:41] <hateball> jubo2: sudo update-grub
[14:41] <hateball> err
[14:41] <hateball> you dont want to comment the whole line out iirc
[14:42] <hateball> I think it expects: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=""
[14:42] <jubo2> ok
[14:42] <hateball> but I may be wrong !
[14:43] <hateball> (thats what I am using tho)
[14:43] <jubo2> ok
[14:43] <jubo2> I reboot
[14:46] <regedit> so how is the new release?
[14:46] <regedit> i'm still on 15.04 for now, until i hear stability
[15:11] <jubo2> I need to make reports of httpd logs
[15:11] <jubo2> once upon a time I used analog
[15:11] <jubo2> but that is too hassle to configure
[15:11] <jubo2> any suggestions?
[15:15] <lordievader> Logwatch?
[15:15] <jubo2> lordievader: doesn't appear in Muon discoverer
[15:16] <lordievader> No, it is a package. Not an application, for as far as Muon is concerned.
[15:16] <lordievader> jubo2: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-and-use-logwatch-log-analyzer-and-reporter-on-a-vps
[15:19] <jubo2> lordievader: I think I want an offline tool
[15:19] <jubo2> another issue
[15:19] <lordievader> Logwatch is an offline tool.
[15:20] <jubo2> Got a 32-bit 14.04 that holds nothing of value. I think I want to install 64-bit 15.10 on it
[15:21] <jubo2> the problem is that it has a maximum of 2GB RAM
[15:21] <jubo2> will it run satisfactorily?
[15:21] <jubo2> I gather I cannot upgrade 32-bit to 64-bit
[15:21] <jubo2> without installing clean
[15:21] <lordievader> You won't notice a difference.
[15:21] <jubo2> in the mem usage lordievader?
[15:22] <lordievader> jubo2: There is a slight difference, but, in general, unnoticable.
[15:22] <jubo2> Ok.
[15:22] <jubo2> I think I installfest tonite
[15:51] <jubo2> ohnoes
[15:51] <jubo2> something borked my kmail
[15:51] <jubo2> I didn't touch it
[15:51] <jubo2> It no longer lists messages by date even if I instruct it to
[15:52] <jubo2> rather the messages are grouped by sender
[15:52] <jubo2> yeah.. really handy if you want to view all messages by sender X but I'd really rather just see my mail sorted by arrival time
[16:28] <jubo2> I'm not seeing a wifi station in 32-bit Kubuntu14.04 that other OS see quite well
[16:28] <jubo2> Could this be an issue with some drivers or firmware not being up-to-date in the 32-bit ?
[16:38] <lolmaus> Hi! On 15.10 and ThinkPad T430 (top CPU, GPU Intel 4000, SSD, 16GB RAM, no swap), my Google Chrome is extremely laggy, suffers from jerky scrolling and fails to redraw when scrolling or switching between taps. What can I do to resolve the issue?
[16:39] <jubo2> I'm pretty sure the Atom processor I have in the netbook is 64-bit but not 100% sure. How do I check?
[17:20] <aramiscd> i believe, there are no 32bit atom processors.  wikipedia knows for sure.
[17:29] <lordievader> Weren't the older ones (first gen) 32 bit?
[17:58] <mparillo> It might be something I am doing wrong, but I know my netbook with an Atom N550 seems unable to boot a 64-bit distro.
[18:10] <melray> Hi running kubuntu 15.10 when I use alt+F2 and issue the command kdesudo dolphin I get the password prompt and enter it...then nothing happens..i.e. doesn't start dolphin. Anyone know why this might be?
[18:16] <mparillo> It works for me on the daily build, but none of the icons load. And when I picked the detailed tree view, the icons to expand the directories looked different.
[18:22] <josharenson> what is the best way to install kde along side unity? I installed (via apt-get) kubuntu-desktop, but now the two greeters are literally fighting each other
[18:23] <jaafar> hey peeps
[18:23] <jaafar> anyone experimented much with webcams and chat apps?
[18:23] <jaafar> Skype recognizes my webcam but HipChat does not
[18:24] <jaafar> josharenson: I believe the "greeters" (if you mean things like kdm, lightdm etc.) are supposed to be able to launch the desktop system of your choice, i.e., but at least somewhat agnostic
[18:24] <jaafar> not sure about config
[18:24] <jaafar> I use lightdm
[18:24] <jaafar> I remember there being a little menu at login
[18:25] <josharenson> jaafar: yeah I'm actually developing a new greeter which is why I wanted to install multiple DEs in the first place... whats happening now is that I see the unity greeter for a few frames, and then the kde greeter for a few frames
[18:25] <jaafar> oh nice
[18:25] <jaafar> Oh that's cuckoo
[18:25]  * jaafar has never seen that
[18:25] <josharenson> jaafar: I'll check that the display manager is set to something reasonable though...
[18:26] <josharenson> good starting point
[18:26] <josharenson> jaafar: its in a VM, but I saw it on my real machine as well
[18:31] <jubo2> Hiya.. Trying to install Kubuntu15.10 64-bit on a system with an Atom CPU and installation hangs in the "prepare" stage. Red-blue circly thing just rotates for minutes and minutes
[18:31] <jubo2> What could be wrong?
[18:32] <jubo2> I'm almost sure it is a 64-bit CPU but not quite certain
[18:32] <jubo2> ahh.. now it passed on to next stage. cancel all questions
[18:37] <mparillo> jubo2: Good luck. As I said, my Atom N550 will not boot a 64-bit distro for me, but many Atoms can. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Atom_(CPU)#Intel_64_software_support
[18:39] <jubo2> now it stopped and complained of either corrupt installation media or corrupt installation target
[18:39] <jubo2> I change stick and try again
[18:40] <jubo2> for weird reasons I have 2 sticks with the Kubuntu15.10 installer
[18:59] <jubo2> Whoops..
[18:59] <jubo2> forgot to plug in my external sound card at install time
[18:59] <jubo2> is there way to detect and add it after installation is over
[19:00] <jubo2> or do I just open another beer and install again, this time with the sound card plugged in?
[19:00] <genii> If it's USB should just recognize it
[19:01] <genii> ( when you plug it in)
[19:01] <jubo2> it is USB
[19:16] <jubo2> genii: so it seems
[19:16] <jubo2> the card works fine when I plug it in
[19:18] <jubo2> I want to copy the settings from this fully configured Kubuntu to the newly installed Kubuntu
[19:18] <jubo2> if that is sane
[19:19] <jubo2> I grab ~/.local/ ?
[19:21] <genii> and probablt ~/.kde
[19:21] <genii> *probably
[19:22] <jubo2> ok
[19:57] <encolpe_> Hello
[19:57] <encolpe_> I want to know how to refresh KDE menu icons
[19:58] <encolpe_> I still have icons dating from the installtion, 2 years ago
[19:58] <denza252> which kubu version?
[19:58] <encolpe_> 15.10
[19:59] <denza252> encolpe_: is it using Plasma workspaces or Plasma 5
[20:01] <encolpe_> denza252: good question
[20:02] <denza252> encolpe_: you mentioned that it was installed 2 years ago
[20:02] <denza252> so I'm assuming you updated it from like, 13.something
[20:02] <encolpe_> from 13.10, yes
[20:03] <encolpe_> plasma desktop 5.4
[20:04] <denza252> whoa, good job first of all
[20:04] <denza252> whenever I try updating my system breaks :x
[20:04] <encolpe_> I'm trying to check
[20:04] <denza252> second, encolpe_, is it just your menu which has old icons?
[20:04] <encolpe_> I took me one week to repair cryptsetup
[20:06] <encolpe_> Yes
[20:06] <jubo2> denza252: I managed to 15.04 -> 15.10 with only couple of days of swearing
[20:06] <encolpe_> firefox has loose its icon, too
[20:07] <denza252> hmm
[20:07] <encolpe_> For the history, i'm migrating debian systems since 1996 (10 years with sid before coming on ubuntu)
[20:08] <denza252> encolpe_: try  kbuildsycoca5--noincremental
[20:11] <denza252> encolpe_: er, there should be a space between kbuildsycoa5 and --noincremental
[20:11] <encolpe_> yes :)
[20:12] <svend-ev> Good morning
[20:12] <jubo2> g'moring svend-ev
[20:39] <encolpe_> denza252: All icons that are in /usr/share/pixmaps are not shown in the menu
[20:46] <encolpe_> is there  place where an icon path is set ?
[21:37] <schestowitz> Hi, I've searched youtube, google etc. for this but was unable to find an answer. Are stopped activities still a functionality in Plasma 5? I've just upgraded to the latest kf5 (been using it for 8 months) and all I see next to activities is an "X", no "stop" button, and clicking the X gets everything buddy and I need to restart plasma-desktop as a whole
[21:37] <schestowitz>  /s/buddy/buggy/
[21:41] <schestowitz> Is the "X" the way to stop an activity at all? Some online forums suggested so, and the global keyboard shortcut, meta+S, does nothing
[21:41] <Gamayun> schestowitz: The X is to stop the activities. Once they are stopped they'll get a trashcan icon instead, if you want to delete them. Dunno about the buggyness.
[21:42] <schestowitz> Maybe it's just me, I'm not even sure how to describe such a bug
[21:43] <Gamayun> What happens when you click the X? Crashing, freezing?
[21:43] <schestowitz> to reproduce it I guess it takes my setup, which isn't unique. the activities thing showing vertically is just hanging, or become transparent and permanently covering everything. it has been like this since April when I first moved to kf5 (upgraded many time since, to no avail)
[21:44] <schestowitz> technically, nothing happens when suggests that the activity got stopped, and then the "Activities" thing (along the side) just gets stuck, I wonder if I'm only among few experienceing and if so, what we have in common
[21:44] <schestowitz> as it hasn't been fixed since April at the latest
[21:45] <schestowitz> is meta+S supposed to work?
[21:45] <schestowitz> It has absolutely no effect when I click it, even when I set up an alternative keyboard shortcut and use that
[21:46] <schestowitz> I use the just-released KDE/Plasma... from backported repo... which behaves the same way every plasma built prior to this behaved.
[21:47] <Gamayun> Hm, might be worthwile putting up a bug report for it. Activities are working pretty smoothly here. Except the meta-s shortcut, but it might be enough to change the shortcut.
[21:47] <schestowitz> I've just reproduced this again. In this build, the whole of plasma becomes unresponsive, clicking even the panel has no effect
[21:48] <schestowitz> and Activities freezed where it was when "X" was clicked.
[21:49] <schestowitz> I tried submitting a bug report, but not sure what to submit that will help reproduce it
[21:50] <schestowitz> Do you use activity icon? Might this have anything to do with causing the bug?
[21:51] <schestowitz> I'll see if I can come up with a useful report. All I can say for now is, always buggy for me, necessitating restart of the whole of plasma.. :-(
[23:33] <MichaelTun> how do you install the latest version of Plasma? I mean 5.4.3 is brand new almost, I am just curious if Kubuntu 15.10 will get it normally or would I need a PPA for it?
[23:34] <MichaelTun> I still have a few minor bugs with plasma 5.4 so hopefully the latest version squashes those.
[23:42] <clivejo> MichaelTun: See this blog - http://scarlettgatelyclark.com/2015/kubuntu-kde-5-4-3-bugfix-release-available-now-in-wily-backports/


[06:14] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:28] <tuxick> anyone know how to create additional users with autoinstall, as in https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/examples.html ?
[07:28] <tuxick> or should i ignore cloud-init docs?
[07:29] <tuxick> i ended up using late-commands because needed to get stuff done
[11:16] <andypandy> I just got my first zfs raidz1 up and running. I have got the "Previous version" (shadow copy) working when doing a manual snapshot. Great! Now I need to automate snapshots to protect from accidental deletion etc since there are no recycle bin when deleting files from network storage in windows. Anyone know of a good tool to use to auomate the rolling snapshots?
[11:53] <tuxick> wrap the call with "are you sure? y/N"
[14:43] <TJ-> alis list libvirt
[14:48] <patdk-lap> didn't know you could do that in irc
[14:48] <TJ-> didn't mean to! - typoed /msg alis as /amsg alis ooops
[14:48] <sdeziel> andypandy: I use sanoid (`apt install sanoid`) as it does snapshot scheduling and more. There is also `zfs-auto-snapshot` that's simpler
[14:49] <andypandy> Thanks sdeziel
[17:15] <foo> Walex_away / patdk-lap / Walex - well, WISP called me back a few hours after we figured out mtu issue. They said something was consuming 10bmit down non-stop for the past 7 days on the network (which is pretty much when I arrived here). After process of elimination, turns out it was most likely my phone downloading the 3GB iOS update. I could clearly see ping times 300-900ms when my phone was on the
[17:15] <foo> network and sub 50ms when I took my phone off the network. Now that I've solved that, I also just re-tested file transfer of 4K file with mtu 1500 .... and it works fine now. Can you explain this? I'm confused why my phone downloading a file would affect me uploading a 4K file.
[17:28] <patdk-lap> it shouldn't, unless there is a huge buffer somewhere
[17:29] <patdk-lap> that is causing tcp timeout and retries
[17:29] <patdk-lap> changing mtu shouldn't change anything for that
[17:29] <patdk-lap> but your phone shouldn't be downloading 3gb for 7days, unless you have no bandwidth at all
[17:30] <patdk-lap> sounds like it was having issues also
[17:31] <foo> patdk-lap: so odd. I appreciate you sharing. A part of me wants to understand this, another part of me wants to get on with my work, haha.
[17:31] <patdk-lap> not sure there is much more to understand
[17:31] <foo> patdk-lap: someone else said that pending how the WISP was throttling me, if I was saturating my download it was affecting my upload
[17:31] <patdk-lap> without knowing how their network works
[17:31] <patdk-lap> what policies they have configured
[17:32] <patdk-lap> ya, that goes in the, unless we know exactly how they do things, we won't know
[17:33] <foo> patdk-lap: here is how someone else described it: https://bpa.st/6EIQ
[17:34] <foo> fair enough
[17:34] <foo> :)
[17:34] <patdk-lap> ya, that issue I never hit, as my systems all do that by default
[17:35] <patdk-lap> voip, then acks, then other data, then bulk data (torrents, downloads,,,)
[17:35] <foo> patdk-lap: "do that" as in, what, exactly?
[17:35] <foo> patdk-lap: oh, QoS?
[17:35] <patdk-lap> prioritize acks
[17:35] <patdk-lap> yep
[17:35] <foo> copy
[17:36] <foo> patdk-lap: given what we've discussed, would you say that this WISP could be better configured to priorirtize ACKs?
[17:36] <patdk-lap> I give acks upto 10% of my upstream, dedicated
[17:36] <patdk-lap> well, normally they wouldn't care much about it
[17:36] <patdk-lap> it would normally be your connection that it would be the issue
[17:37] <patdk-lap> but if the problem is the wisp cell site is overloaded, not much you can do there
[17:37] <patdk-lap> unless they do qos, and unlikely they will do that down to that level, normally they would only do it down to the customer level
[17:37] <patdk-lap> so one customer doesn't wipe out another
[17:38] <patdk-lap> all these qos things, the more you have, the better they are, takes more router memory and cpu power, larger routers, ...
[17:38] <foo> I see, I see
[17:38] <foo> patdk-lap: I could also share, that they wanted to solve my issue because customers that were downstream from me were complaining of slow speeds
[17:38] <foo> The WISP described it as a DoS attack...
[17:39] <foo> Could that be because my 4K file's ACK never made it back through so it caused a loop of sorts?
[17:39] <patdk-lap> well, it was a DOS, I wouldn't agree it was an attack, it was crap configuration :)
[17:39] <patdk-lap> foo, yes, default is 5 seconds
[17:39] <patdk-lap> if pings where >5seconds, yes, that would be an issue
[17:40] <patdk-lap> it sounds like they are not doing any qos of customer traffic, so you got to hog it all to yourself
[17:40] <foo> patdk-lap: I see
[17:41] <patdk-lap> or else other customers wouldn't have been complaining
[17:41] <patdk-lap> just you
[17:41] <foo> true
[17:42] <patdk-lap> ya, I do qos at several levels, once at the customer level, then by type (voip connections, acks, then normal web, then common torrent, ftp,...)
[17:42] <patdk-lap> then at each of those levels, it shares the bandwidth between connections (per tcp connection)
[17:43] <patdk-lap> so one single connection (like your ios update) wouldn't knock everything else off
[17:44] <patdk-lap> torrents though, make hundreds of connections, so that sharing doesn't work so well, why it goes on it's own qos level below all others
[17:44] <patdk-lap> though instead of sharing per  ocnnnection, you could do it per ip
[17:45] <patdk-lap> works better inside the house, than at the wisp, but the wisp could do per ip, as a per customer thing
[17:45] <patdk-lap> really, if their equipment can do it, have someone that knows this enough to setup the templates, and then they could generate and push it out each time they onboard a customer automatically
[17:51] <foo> thanks patdk-lap , just called them back again to explain what might have caused this issue
[17:52] <foo> patdk-lap: hm, and I may be overthinking it at this point - but is it possible that redudcing the MTU worked so that a smaller ACK packet could make it back downstream to me
[17:54] <patdk-lap> the ack packets are all the same size, 64bytes, smallest possible
[17:54] <patdk-lap> it *might* have made the packet go out faster, so therefor the ack came back sooner
[17:54] <foo> patdk-lap: aha, ok, well scratch that. What I don't understand is why changing the MTU fixed this
[17:54] <foo> aha!
[17:55] <patdk-lap> technically acks aren't all 64k, but they are unless the server is also sending data back also
[17:55] <patdk-lap> so generally it's good to assume they are 64
[17:55] <patdk-lap> not 64k heh, just 64
[17:55] <foo> ha
[17:56] <foo> patdk-lap: super grateful for all the back-and-forth, I was following my curiosity on this one and learned a ton. Grateful for your time.
[17:56] <patdk-lap> could just be their qos is not configured correctly, who knows
[17:57] <patdk-lap> but something on their side is the source of the problem, you just exposed it
[17:57] <patdk-lap> I wouldn't take it personally you did anything wrong at all, but ya, unlikely the wisp feels that way
[17:57] <patdk-lap> cause their point of view, you are the issue
[17:57] <patdk-lap> cause their network allowed it
[17:59] <foo> I have shared nearly everything you've shared with me and what I've inferred from all of this and explained my intent is is to share what might improve their network should we conclude something. I think they appreciate it but who knows, if nothing more I learned a lot more. :) I think they likely only have like 6 customers downstream from me anyway
[17:59] <patdk-lap> ya, some people tend to not take criticism well, like network engineers
[17:59] <patdk-lap> like me :)
[18:00] <patdk-lap> I got hit hard back in the 90's
[18:00] <patdk-lap> when shell accounts for the internet was a normal way to use the internet
[18:00] <patdk-lap> dialup into a shell account
[18:00] <patdk-lap> new isp, I noticed I had a shell account, if I didn't use ppp, so I used it
[18:01] <patdk-lap> I then got banned from the isp for *hacking* their server
[18:01] <patdk-lap> sorry, you misconfigured my user account on your server, and instead of giving me only ppp access, yo ugave me a full shell
[18:01] <patdk-lap> how was I suppose to know I shouldn't use it
[18:02] <foo> oh man.
[18:02] <foo> haha
[19:52] <Guest47> Hi. What's the minimum RAM needed to run a Ubuntu docker image? I need it to run sshd, and clone git repos (for backup purposes). It doesn't do anything else. I'll be running this on a very limited NAS.
[19:59] <sdeziel> Guest47: FYI, my gitolite LXD container consumes 27MB of RAM
[19:59] <Guest47> sdeziel: based on Ubuntu?! nice!
[20:00] <sdeziel> Guest47: yes, 20.04 on amd64. systemd-journald is the biggest RAM consumer
[20:01] <Guest47> good to know
[20:17] <Guest47> I installed openssh-server but since the Docker image doesn't use systemd, the service doesn't start. I can do it manually with "service ssh start". How can I get this container to run this whenever it's restarted? I'm treating this as a VM, I know it's not common Docker usage. I don't want to write Dockerfiles/Compose files and constantly
[20:17] <Guest47> destroy/create containers. This is a one-time thing.
[20:21] <sarnold> Guest47: are you sure you wouldn't rather have lxd instead? I always thought of docker as "I want this specific application to run in a container" and lxd as "I want a very lightweight vm-ish container"
[20:22] <Guest47> sarnold: this is on my weird NAS with a custom Linux, I have no choice. I'm only doing all this because their Python 3 doesn'
[20:22] <Guest47> doesn't have pip
[20:22] <sarnold> Guest47: oh
[20:22] <Guest47> but since it supports Docker I can use Ubuntu to run commands I need to run
[20:23] <Guest47> The plan is to execute tasks by SSHing to the Ubuntu container, then running the command, which saves the data to a volume mapped on the NAS
[20:34] <Guest47> How can I run sshd at startup? The entry point of the Ubuntu image is "bash". I still want it to be bash, but I also want it to run sshd at startup (the container is set to auto-restart on error, powerup, etc)
[20:37] <Walex_away> Guest47: that is not an Ubuntu container, it is your own distribution at this point...
[20:38] <Walex_away> Guest47: in effect your container always boots in single user mode.
[20:39] <Walex_away> Guest47: the question is: what makes it run the initial shell, if you have not installed an 'init' daemon?
[20:39] <Walex_away> Guest47: or rather, which executable is the 'init' for that container?
[20:39] <Guest47> bash
[20:40] <Walex_away> Guest47: and how do you start it?
[20:40] <Guest47> oh sorry
[20:41] <Guest47> PID #1 is bash. I start it using the Docker UI that's available on my NAS. I have buttons like "Start/Restart/Stop"
[20:41] <Guest47> It lets me customize some things but I don't see an option to change the starting command
[20:41] <Walex_away> Guest47: OK! there two options then
[20:42] <Walex_away> Guest47: that 'bash' will belong to some user and therefore will execute some '.bash_profile' in the user's home directory.
[20:43] <Walex_away> Guest47: so you can treat the container as a single.user login and just start 'sshd' in it.
[20:43] <Walex_away> Guest47: if 'service sshd start' works that means that there is an 'sshd' start script somewhere, probably in '/etc/init.d/'.
[20:44] <Guest47> that's the case, yeah
[20:44] <Walex_away> The other option is to run a process supervision daemon like 'sv' from 'runit' or 'daemontools' etc.
[20:45] <TJ-> anyone managed to deploy dnsmasq as an IPv6 DHCPv6/TFTP server and have example configs? Having a problem with it not responding to the client TFTP RRQ packets
[20:45] <Walex_away> the second option has the advantage that the process supervisor will restart the 'sshd' daemon if it crashes etc.
[20:46] <patdk-lap> Guest47, must you use ubuntu docker image?
[20:46] <Guest47> I put in "service ssh start" in root's ~/.profile, restarted the container, but nothing
[20:46] <patdk-lap> if you just need ssh and docker, why not just use alpine?
[20:46]  * Walex_away had not changed nick
[20:46] <Guest47> patdk: I just didn't want to have to use a separate PC to create a Docker image, create a Docker registry account, upload there, download here, etc. For a container that I might tweak at any time.
[20:46] <Walex> Guest47: I would not be sure that /root/ is the home directory
[20:47] <Walex> Guest47: there is also another detail that matters quite a bit:
[20:47] <patdk-lap> oh, you are just looking for a preconfigured image, ya any full os image is going be kindof large
[20:47] <Guest47> patdk-lap: cause I'm familiar with Ubuntu as a desktop user, I'm comfortable with that. RAM usage is negligible, it's great.
[20:47] <Walex> Guest47: the '.profile' is only executed if the 'bash' is a login shell
[20:48] <Guest47> oh
[20:48] <Walex> Guest47: that can be achieved by running it as 'bash --login'
[20:48] <Guest47> I can't edit the start command though...
[20:48] <Walex> Guest47: I don't know if your Docker tools allow you to do that.
[20:48] <Guest47> whatever I put in init.d will execute at startup?
[20:48] <Walex> Guest47: AFAIk nothing that you put in 'init.d' will be executed at startup.
[20:49] <Walex> Guest47: traditionally only what you put in '7etc/rc.local' is exectued at estartup, if you have an 'init' system.
[20:50] <Walex> Guest47: I'll do a web search on how to configure Docket appositely. I will also at some Dockerfiles I got as I vaguely remember doing that.
[20:50] <Guest47> OK, how do I control what "bash" runs then? If I can shove "service ssh start" somewhere, that's that
[20:51] <Guest47> even on non-login sessions
[20:51] <Walex> Guest47: don't Dockerfiles have a "RUN" directive?
[20:52] <Guest47> they do, but that would mean building my own image. I'll do that if push comes to shove, it's just way more troublesome than tinkering with a local distro.
[20:52] <Walex> oops that's build-time, I was thinking 'CMD'. Will check
[20:52] <Guest47> oh snap, just thought of something...I've been going through the Ubuntu official image, but I
[20:52] <Guest47> I'm sure tons of people have made an sshd variant
[20:53] <Walex> Guest47: ahhh sorry I had forgotten: you want to run an existing image even if does not do what you want.
[20:53] <Walex> Guest47: Do you know where the Dockerfile for that image is? Maybe looking at it there is some hook.
[20:54] <Walex> are you using this: https://registry.hub.docker.com/_/ubuntu/ ?
[20:54] <Guest47> it's the official Ubuntu image. I dont think Docker downloads a Docker file and builds it locally, but a binary/filesystem image
[20:55] <Guest47> yes
[20:55] <sdeziel> Guest47: a possible (ugly) hack would be to create a wrapper script "earlier" in $PATH that starts sshd if it is not running and then calls the real bash
[20:55] <Walex> Guest47: the Dockerfile is this apparently: https://github.com/tianon/docker-brew-ubuntu-core/blob/a967c2b8734c77f7f89449d0b87c2e1eebf8b26e/focal/Dockerfile
[20:55] <Guest47> Found one: https://registry.hub.docker.com/r/rastasheep/ubuntu-sshd/  . Obviously, not official...should I trust this stuff?
[20:56] <Guest47> sdeziel: I'll suck it up and get a different image
[20:56] <Walex> Guest47: The official Dockerfile does not have "bash --login" too bad
[20:57] <Guest47> Walex yeah they use that Dockerfile to compile the image, then that image is uploaded to Docker Hub, then you download.  TONS of sshd results for Alpine
[21:01] <Guest47> to shave off 10MB off an image?
[21:04] <Guest47> allright, I give up. I'll create my own image based on rastasheep's Dockerfile.
[21:06] <Guest47> thanks for your advice, guys!
[21:07] <Walex> Guest47: that Dockerfile starts 'sshd'  but does not start a console shell I think
[21:08] <Walex> Guest47: note that it starts *ssh -D' so it is 'sshd' that becomes process 1
[21:09] <Guest47> does that matter? My NAS can still ssh in and run arbitrary bash commands, right?
[21:10] <Walex> Guest47: it is up to you to decide that, whether you are sure that 'sshd' will never crash and there will never be network issues etc.
[21:11] <Guest47> it shouldn't, the container runs on the same NAS that connects to it. It's just a local service.
[21:11] <Guest47> also one of the options is "Auto-Restart container on error"
[21:13] <Guest47> I will never ssh to it myself, it'll just be "ssh root@local-docker-ip -exec "wget blah blah && tar blah blah && python3 somescript.py " (not the exact syntax, you know what I mean, I'll look it up)
[21:13] <Guest47> in an automatic script
[21:32] <Guest47> Damn, it just never ends. I can't push the image I created, one of the fragments which is large (125MB), keeps failing around the 90-110MB mark. I started today just wanting to set up backups on my NAS, it turned into this whole adventure. :/
[21:39] <Walex> foo: so after all it was a rate limiting issue.
[21:39] <Walex> foo: my guess that a smaller MTU paced the packets better was perhaps right.
[21:40] <Walex> foo: but as "patdk-lap" pointed out it should not take 7 days at 10mb/s, and anyhow a 3GB update is monstrous.
[21:42] <Walex> foo: but if you really saw much higher pings that meant that the link was saturated and this meant that uploading was throttled too. probably with a shaper script set at limiting the download rate to 9mb/s it would not have been congested.
[21:47] <foo> Walex_away: thanks for circling back :)
[22:00] <patdk-lap> apple tents to push gig updates though, so that is *common*
[22:00] <foo> patdk-lap: if an iOS update can "take down the network" on this WISP... I have to imagine they have other problems which I don't even want to think about, haha.
[22:00] <patdk-lap> apple has been down to take down many isp's
[22:00] <foo> oh, interesting
[22:01] <patdk-lap> most of them have onsite caches cause of this
[22:01] <patdk-lap> used to be common 10years ago
[22:01] <Guest47> couldn't they rate-limit based on destination IP?
[22:01] <patdk-lap> we used to watch the bandwidth on the ios update cache when new apple releases where put out, was always intertaining
[22:02] <patdk-lap> Guest47, who knows, but they aren't :) or not enough
[22:02] <Guest47> net neutrality is a meme :)
[22:02] <patdk-lap> or else it wouldn't take taken down the other customers
[22:04] <patdk-lap> https://www.fastvue.co/sophos/blog/the-bandwidth-impact-of-apples-ios-8-release-on-your-network/
[22:06] <Guest47> do they do like Windows and share iOS updates from other phones on the LAN?
[22:06] <patdk-lap> no, or atleast they didn't use to
[22:06] <Guest47> no wait, stupid question, it would drain batteries and people would complain
[22:06] <patdk-lap> you can do something like that using macos
[23:24] <TJ-> finally got GRUB loading over pure IPv6 PXE/TFTP


[20:05] <minasota> Anyone use thunderbird or any type of opengpg encryption for email?
[20:05] <minasota> uh, pgp
[23:50] <Unit193> Alpine+ez-pine-gpg


[00:03] <nantou> im trying to know if an old nvidia driver can be to blame for the broken graphics
[00:04] <nantou> in previous versions of ubuntu there was a drivers gui
[00:05] <unheeding> i think the app you are looking for is called jockey
[00:05] <unheeding> jocky-gtk is the package name
[00:38] <compaqo> i installed 12.04 on a Compaq Presario 061 and i get a black screen whenever  i logoff. that is a major problem. can anyone help me?
[00:39] <GridCube> how a black screen?
[00:42] <David-A> compaqo: does it look like it is shutting down the operating system, but then it does not cut the power so the computer is still "on" but not doing anything?
[00:44] <compaqo> no because i can do alt ctrl f1 and do a console login and use it in text mode which is not what i want because this a desktop pc. it is NOT a server
[00:52] <David-A> compaqo: okay. (I don't know what it wrong.) Can you look in logs ~/.xsession-errors or /var/log/syslog if there is somthing suspect? Will the command "sudo shutdown -h now" shut it down?
[00:53] <compaqo> Can not shutdown my PC. I mean if i click on System - Shutdown  the PC does not power off. I encounter the same problem if  as root i execute : shutdown -h now . In those two scenarios, the system halts but does not power off so i have to press the power button on the PC to shut it down
[00:59] <compaqo> back in 5 min
[01:46] <MrBushido> where are the mouse + keyboard shortcuts set? an app i'm using has alt + middle mouse click set to do things, but its also a system shortcut to minimise a window
[01:47] <MrBushido> i cant see it under the window manager options tho :<
[01:48] <MrBushido> ahar, its to do with  window manager tweaks -> focus
[01:49] <MrBushido> thanks MrBushido
[01:49] <MrBushido> np
[03:15] <xubuntu197> hello, i have installed xubuntu 12.10 but in thunar al my partitions are showing duplicates like they are mounted multyple times
[04:44] <suttiwit> how can I have an icon  on the task bar where I can change the input method?
[04:45] <holstein> suttiwit: you mean, keyboard layout?
[04:45] <suttiwit> yeah yeah
[04:45] <suttiwit> i mean  keyboard layout
[04:45] <suttiwit> english, spanish and thai
[04:47] <unheeding> spicy
[04:47] <holstein> suttiwit: this is a little old.. and for unity i think, but scroll down and see if this is what you are looking for http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/17508/add-keyboard-input-language-to-ubuntu/
[04:48] <holstein> "When you have multiple input languages installed, you’ll notice a new icon in your system tray on the top right" is that true for your setup suttiwit ? have you added the languages?
[04:49] <suttiwit> holstein, i have, but, nothing appeared
[04:49] <suttiwit> ah wait
[04:49] <suttiwit> I think i've got it...
[04:49] <holstein> projects:panel-plugins:xfce4-xkb-plugin [Xfce Goodies]
[04:50] <holstein> http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-xkb-plugin
[04:52] <suttiwit> done now...
[04:52] <suttiwit> holstein, thanks... u made my mum happy.
[04:52] <holstein> suttiwit: anytime... enjoy!
[05:03] <Jimini> hey there, I'd like to install Xubuntu via PXE. booting works, but after setting up language and keyboard layout, the setup tells me that it can't find the cd - what can I do?
[07:48] <Yotson> good day all.
[07:52] <nikolam> hi Yotson
[07:52] <Yotson> hi there nikolam.
[08:03] <Yotson> 'investigating' harddrive activity atm. hd light blinks every second, same rhythm as mechanical clock here. iotop mentions some disk activity once in a while but nothing like the 1 sec. tick like the hd light.
[08:06] <zruty> I accidentally enabled autologin at install. How to disable that?
[08:13] <nikolam> Yotson, use lsof to see what apps are doing what on disk. maybe there is some logging or something.
[08:16] <nikolam> zruty, what is in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf ? ( http://askubuntu.com/questions/113500/why-am-i-not-asked-for-password-at-startup )
[08:18] <nikolam> zruty, there is also "Asked on Login" under System>users and groups , User settings
[08:19] <zruty> my username is in there for autologin-user
[08:19] <zruty> I commented it out
[08:20] <zruty> nikolam: I found it in the GUI but that does not seem to listen to me
[08:20] <Yotson> thanks for the pointer nikolam. hddtemp/sensorplugin is the cause. :)
[08:26] <xubuntu949> hi
[08:26] <nikolam> hi xubuntu949
[08:26] <Yotson> hi
[08:59] <siderit> hi
[09:01] <siderit> can i use MSoffice under Xubuntu?
[09:02] <siderit> i mean it works well ?
[11:09] <xubuntu821> is there any way to use xubuntu on a use flash drive
[11:10] <xubuntu821> usb
[11:13] <TheSheep> xubuntu821: yes
[12:09] <teliti> Hello. I just wanted to play an audio cd with gmusicbrowser but it didn't work! Do you know is there a plugin missing in the default install? The xubuntu-restricted-format package is already installed.
[12:10] <TheSheep> teliti: "didn't work"?
[12:10] <TheSheep> teliti: what happened exactly?
[12:10] <TheSheep> teliti: generally, audio cds are not played by software, but by your cd drive directly
[12:10] <TheSheep> teliti: the software only tells it to start playing a track
[12:11] <TheSheep> teliti: for it to work, your cd drive has to be connected to your soud card with an additional cable
[12:11] <teliti> TheSheep: I tried to "Add music" and tried to add the audio cd. But it tells me that it couldn't add the folder.
[12:12] <teliti> Or in other words, its not playing my cd :-)
[12:12] <TheSheep> teliti: "add the folder"?
[12:12] <TheSheep> teliti: audio cds don't have any files on them
[12:12] <TheSheep> or folders
[12:13] <teliti> TheSheep: So ... is it possible to play audio cds with gmusicbrowser and if yes, how?
[12:13] <TheSheep> I don't knwo gmusicbrowser specifically (don't have it installed to check), but there should be a separate option to play an audio cd in it
[12:14] <TheSheep> maybe someon else can help with a detailed instruction?
[12:14] <teliti> TheSheep: thank you for your effort :-)
[13:17] <optraz> hello , after upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10, the X cannot be started? where do i start troubleshooting
[13:18] <ashNOP> optraz, first look to Xorg logs at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[13:19] <optraz> okay, where can i paste the output of Xorg?
[13:20] <ashNOP> optraz, pastebin
[13:20] <ashNOP> optraz, had u try sudo /etc/init.d/lightdm start ?
[13:22] <optraz> im using gdm
[13:22] <optraz> http://pastebin.com/kXNfER3i
[13:23] <ashNOP> optraz, gdm on xubuntu?
[13:23] <optraz> yes, what is the problem?
[13:25] <ashNOP> optraz, never mind, look like u need to install or reinstall video card drivers
[13:25] <optraz> how do i reisntall the driver?
[13:25] <optraz> i dont have X now
[13:27] <ashNOP> u can use apt-get, and what's model of ur video card?
[13:28] <optraz> lspci show 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RV710 [Radeon HD 4350]
[13:30] <optraz> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RV710 [Radeon HD 4350] [1002:954f] (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
[13:31] <xubuntu864> good afternoon
[13:32] <xubuntu864> I want to try Xubuntu on my Asus EeePC
[13:32] <xubuntu864> but I don't have the CD-ROM drive on it
[13:32] <xubuntu864> how can I do?
[13:32] <MrHotsauce> you sir would be looking for a usb install
[13:32] <ashNOP> optraz, sorry i never use amd/redeon cards, cant help u:(
[13:33] <MrHotsauce> xubuntu864: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ using that software you can create a bootable usb stick and install xubuntu onto your machine that way
[13:34] <ashNOP> optraz, on 12.04 ur previous install what driver u use opensource or binary(blob)?
[13:35] <optraz> i dont know
[13:35] <optraz> i just enabled teh driver via gui
[13:35] <optraz> u know ubuntu has a feature and just click on the driver
[13:37] <ashNOP> yeah, try sudo apt-get install linux-headers-generic fglrx-updates
[13:37] <ashNOP> optraz, and then sudo aticonfig --initial --adapter=all -f
[13:46] <optraz> ashNOP: http://www.unixmen.com/ubuntu-12-10-and-amd-catalyst-problem-solved/
[13:47] <optraz> not sure if my card is affected but it seem is within the series affected
[13:47] <optraz> it need fglrx legacy
[13:48] <ashNOP> optraz, good for u , am not expert with redeon card:)
[13:48] <ashNOP> *s
[14:24] <optraz> okay, switch back to lightdm
[14:24] <optraz> got my X back
[14:24] <optraz> although the reso is low
[14:24] <optraz> 800*600
[14:26] <ashNOP> optraz, try to edit xorg.conf
[14:26] <optraz> yes, doing aticonfig --initial -f
[14:35] <sveinse> Hi. I'm running Ubuntu 12.04 with Xfce4 installed from Xfce 4.10 PPA. I'm struggeling with the bug 1001936 (launchpad). Is this something which will make it into the 4.10 PPA at any time?
[14:37] <sveinse> For other reasons, I'm stuck at running 12.04. From the little time I used 12.10, it seems that it does not have this bug
[14:55] <optraz> [    33.300] (EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/xorg/extra-modules/extra-modules.dpkg-tmp/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/xorg/extra-modules/extra-modules.dpkg-tmp/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so: undefined symbol: noXFree86DRIExtension
[14:56] <optraz> ashNOP: ^^ not good
[15:00] <ashNOP> optraz, hey, do u use ppa like xupdates-team or xorg-edgers?
[15:00] <optraz> no, i dont care about ppa
[15:00] <optraz> i dont trust those third party
[15:00] <optraz> because i want the system maintain
[15:00] <optraz> and his ppa is downgraded the xorg
[15:01] <optraz> :-s wtf
[15:05] <ashNOP> optraz, http://www.ubuntuvibes.com/2012/10/how-to-install-amd-catalyst-legacy.html
[15:06] <ashNOP> optraz, home u can use www
[15:06] <ashNOP> optraz, ?
[15:06] <optraz> what u mean home u can use www?
[15:06] <ashNOP> optraz, *hope))))
[15:07] <optraz> what is www?
[15:08] <optraz> omg.. no X in ubuntu, and it break so many system.. and they dare to release the upgrade :)
[15:08] <optraz> crazy ubuntu people, what are them thinking :)
[15:09] <optraz> the funny part is, we UPgrade to 12.10 and told that to DOWNgrade the xorg...
[15:09] <optraz> this si not funny :)
[15:10] <ashNOP> optraz, if want to use driver,u  need to downgrade xorg, its all amd)
[15:10] <Bronstein> im on xubuntu 11.10 and I'd like to mount my Sony Xperia st27i cellphone to copy music/photos etc. Anyone have an idea of where to start? lsusb finds the cellphone, fdisk -l does not.
[15:11] <optraz> Bronstein: mount the cellphone as usb
[15:11] <optraz> ashNOP: yea..pretty lame.. heheh
[15:11] <Bronstein> optraz, how do i do that? :P
[15:11] <optraz> mmmmm
[15:11] <optraz> taht's a godo question :)
[15:11] <Bronstein> :D
[15:12] <optraz> sec
[15:12] <Bronstein> optraz, lsusb gives me: lsusb ger mig: Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0fce:417e Sony Ericsson Mobile Communications AB
[15:12] <optraz> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-users/2010-March/002363.html
[15:12] <optraz> ahh.. AB.. the swedish mudafaka! :D
[15:12] <optraz> lol
[15:12] <ashNOP> !help
[15:13] <ashNOP> :)
[15:14] <Bronstein> yes man :)
[15:14] <Bronstein> optraz, thanks for the help, will read and try it out and most likely come back when ive destroyed something ;)
[15:15] <optraz> Bronstein: don't be.. not much help but anyway, it is good you said u will read cause i have been reading for linux for hte past 10 years.. it work :)
[15:17] <optraz> ashNOP: so aroudn 2k fps
[15:17] <optraz> :)
[15:17] <optraz> fglrx loaded
[15:17] <ashNOP> optraz, downgraded?
[15:17] <optraz> yse, lame... though i successfully built the deb pacakges though
[15:17] <optraz> for quantal
[15:18] <optraz> but some how it just canot find the fglrx
[15:18] <optraz> so pft that
[15:18] <optraz> i jsut downgraded xserver-xorg
[15:18] <optraz> very lame this release
[15:19] <ashNOP> i'm just happy with xubuntu 12.10:)
[15:19] <optraz> well,, not if u have ati radeon 2k-4k series caard
[15:19] <optraz> it amke u cry
[15:19] <optraz> make
[15:20] <ashNOP> 10 years im using only nvidia cards
[15:20] <optraz> yea, i bought that card because it is the LOWEST price ever with hdmi output at that time
[15:21] <optraz> i just use it for hdmi output....
[15:22] <optraz> ok, now i can use back google earth
[15:24] <optraz> okay thanks ashNOP gtg
[15:25] <ashNOP> optraz, uw
[15:36] <recon_lap> anyone able to help get sendmail working well, when i try use it it just seem to have for ages
[15:36] <recon_lap> have to wait for *
[16:01] <recon_lap> seemt to get getting this hic-up :  Oct 29 16:00:01 xxx-Aspire-V3-571 sm-msp-queue[5574]: My unqualified host name (xxx-Aspire-V3-571) unknown; sleeping for retry
[16:56] <xubuntu480> hi all
[16:57] <unheeding> hello!
[16:57] <ashNOP> hi,
[16:57] <unheeding> !hello
[16:58] <ashNOP> !hi | xubuntu480
[16:58] <xubuntu480> thanks to all friends! u r very kind !
[22:04] <ner0x> Any GUI app that tells me all my hardware specs with make/model?
[22:08] <TheSheep> ner0x: no, use lshw in terminal
[22:09] <ner0x> TheSheep: That works.
[22:11] <ner0x> TheSheep: When the onboard memory says "size" does that mean maximum capable?
[22:13] <TheSheep> no idea
[22:13] <ner0x> Thanks, I did get what I needed.
[22:13] <ner0x> TheSheep++ # being helpful
[22:15] <lindenle_> Is there a way to remove the network manager applet and replace it with wicd?
[22:17] <David-A> ner0x, come back, there is lshw-gtk with a gui, just for you
[22:26] <nizzle> hello, i'm getting "unable to launch startxfce4 x session" on start up. what to do?
[22:35] <David-A> nizzle: do you get a command line prompt? will the command startx there start a graphical session?
[22:39] <nizzle> no
[22:39] <nizzle> a box pops up on start up
[22:40] <Chaser> Hi, am using xubuntu 12.10. I have couple of tabs open in a terminal. However I am not able to figure out which tab I am on and its driving me insane. Is there a way to set current tab's title to bold or something ?
[22:40] <nizzle> screen is gray after i click okay
[22:53] <nizzle> problem solved, thanks
[22:55] <David-A> nizzle: is this when you boot or when you login? if login, can you choose a "failsafe" session? can you then look into the file ~/.xsession-errors.old for clues?
[22:55] <David-A> ok, good for you, wherever you are
[23:01] <Mr_Freedom> здаров народ
[23:01] <Mr_Freedom> есть кто рус?
[23:11] <nantou> some apps's gui dont respond to editing, like dictionaries I add to goldendict, or tracks I edit with rythmbox, tips? 12.10 recent upgrade