[00:34] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: uhm...how come the only search engine I have left after the latest firefox update is ask.com?
[00:35] <micahg> mdeslaur: after the ubuntu3 update you should be fine again
[00:36] <mdeslaur> micahg: I just updated to ubuntu3
[00:36] <micahg> :(
[00:38] <mdeslaur> cause that's what devs do, they break everything and then go on vacation
[01:02] <knome> mdeslaur, they are just making theirselves missed.
[01:08] <micahg> knome: it's a packaging bug
[01:14] <knome> micahg, irrelevant ;)
[14:02] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: ping
[14:44] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: hey - not sure if you got my last ping or not.  Wifi was a little flaky in Toronto this morning. :)
[14:44] <chrisccoulson> hi m_conley
[14:44] <chrisccoulson> sorry, i'm not around much today ;)
[14:44] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: oh, sorry - I can bug you about this tomorrow
[14:44] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: would that be better?
[14:45] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, i'm on vacation for 2 weeks, so today is probably ok :)
[14:45] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: oh, sorry to bug you on vacation!  I'll try to keep it easy and brief.  :)
[14:46] <m_conley> Error: ERROR edsintegration: Message was: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.gnome.evolution.dataserver.AddressBook1: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ExecFailed: Failed to execute program /usr/lib/evolution/e-addressbook-factory: Success
[14:46] <m_conley> Source File: resource://edsintegration/AuthHelper.jsm
[14:46] <m_conley> Line: 150
[14:46] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: so I saw that thunderbird-couchdb landed, and that's awesome.  However, reading the Error Console, it looks like on attempting to open up a connection to any EDS address books, I'm getting the above
[14:47] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: and, lo and behold, /usr/lib/evolution/e-addressbook-factory is missing
[14:47] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, hmm, i didn't see that. the thunderbird-couchdb extension doesn't open up any connections :/
[14:47] <chrisccoulson> oh?
[14:47] <chrisccoulson> is evolution-data-server not installed?
[14:47] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: right, yes, that was the problem.  But shouldn't that be a dependency, if thunderbird-couchdb is installed?
[14:48] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it should be. i thought it was installed by default :/
[14:48] <chrisccoulson> thunderbird-couchdb depends on evolution-couchdb-backend, and we already depend on libedataserver and libebook
[14:48] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, might be worth pinging seb128 in #ubuntu-desktop about that
[14:48] <chrisccoulson> i won't really have a chance to do anything this week ;)
[14:48] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: alright, will do.  Enjoy your vacation!
[14:49] <chrisccoulson> thanks :)
[14:49] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, just a thought was well, does the eds extension handle libedataserver / libebook not being installed?
[14:50] <m_conley> seb128: hey!  So I just grabbed the Oneiric beta and did a clean install.  Looks great!  However, I noticed that even after installing chrisccoulson's thunderbird-couchdb, it doesn't look like evolution-data-server was installed by default.
[14:50] <m_conley> whoops
[14:50] <m_conley> wrong channel
[14:51] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: when that happens, the add-on "stands down".
[14:51] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: so no EDS address books are shown, but the other TB address books should work as expected.
[14:52] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, ok, that's good
[14:52] <chrisccoulson> KDE users installing tbird will get the extension without the libraries (which is deliberate to avoid pulling in half of gnome) :)
[14:53] <chrisccoulson> i just wanted to make sure that it didn't break everything
[15:11] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, not sure if you're familiar with this at all - http://davidz25.blogspot.com/2011/04/gnome-online-accounts.html
[15:11] <chrisccoulson> i wonder if we could make that work in tbird ;)
[15:11] <chrisccoulson> (although, it currently only works with google accounts)
[15:11] <m_conley> hmmm
[15:11]  * m_conley starts video...
[15:12] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, we could talk about it at UDS :)
[15:12] <m_conley> sounds like a plan.  :)
[15:18] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: neat - is that coming to Ubuntu?
[20:48] <FernandoMiguel> evening


[13:49] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozjs78/78.2.0-1~fakesync1/+build/19901851 <- this seems like it might be interesting to you, since the bos02 problems were resolved
[13:50] <Laney> no pappacena it seems
[14:54]  * tomwardill pokes
[14:57] <pappacena> Laney, sorry I'lve missed your message. Is this build failing? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozjs78/78.2.0-1~fakesync1/+build/19901851
[14:58] <Laney> Looks like someone retried it :/
[14:59] <Laney> pappacena: It failed without log, I thought that might be interesting for you to look into
[15:00] <Laney> but I'm not sure if you can do that now it's been retried (maybe you can)
[15:22] <pappacena> It seems to have failed with logs this time
[15:35] <RikMills> internal compiler error: Segmentation fault
[15:36] <Laney> yes
[15:37] <Laney> that's fine, I can handle a failure which has a log
[15:37] <Laney> ones without, well, :)
[15:38] <pappacena> :)
[15:46] <Laney> right, I'll ping if I see it happening again
[15:46]  * Laney shakes a fist at the mystery retrier


[06:49] <Viehzeug> Hey!
[06:51] <Viehzeug> I just set up a new PC with ubuntu and windows 10 (I need their compiler...). However the time is usually off by 2h in either system after the other set it... I already tried to set UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS, but that does not really help
[06:53] <Viehzeug> nevermind - just read about timedatectl


[00:00] <kyrofa> wgrant, ah okay, the granularity is what I was wondering about. Sometimes I push and don't notice a build starting up
[00:02] <kyrofa> But you're right, now that I've waited for about 10 minutes I see builds starting. Very good
[00:03] <wgrant> kyrofa: The 20 minute thing is just a cronjob schedule, but the 60 minute thing is to avoid swamping the build farm too much.
[00:03] <kyrofa> Yeah that makes sense
[00:04] <kyrofa> wgrant, it's allowed me to setup a little travis-powered deployment. When I push to a branch, travis pushes to an LP branch, and builds start and get automatically published. Pretty handy!
[00:06] <wgrant> kyrofa: You can also trigger a build directly through the API pretty easily, if need be.
[00:06] <kyrofa> wgrant, yeah, that might be rev 2, since then I figure I could poll the process and wait for it to complete, failing if the build fails, etc.
[00:06] <kyrofa> wgrant, but I needed the quick and dirty 5-minute hack
[00:06] <kyrofa> You know how it goes
[00:07] <wgrant> Yup
[08:41] <ulm> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/355999
[08:41] <ulm> ^^ does this take long because there is a principal problem with the request?
[08:42] <ulm> or because of a shortage of manpower?
[10:11] <ricotz> cjwatson, hi, could you retry those builds? https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+build/10689734 and https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+build/10689775
[10:16] <cjwatson> ricotz: done
[10:18] <ricotz> cjwatson, thanks!
[10:20] <cjwatson> ulm: Sorry for the delay.  Passed to sysadmin for action now; one of us will update the ticket when done.
[13:31] <ulm> cjwatson: thanks
[15:17] <chrisccoulson> any idea why all of my builds are failing like this? https://launchpad.net/~oxide-builds/+archive/ubuntu/oxide-next-for-stable-phone-overlay/+build/10693743
[15:17] <chrisccoulson> No logs
[15:19] <cjwatson> There was a network event recently, could be that
[15:19] <chrisccoulson> cjwatson, thanks
[15:20] <cjwatson> Let me bulk-retry stuff
[15:21] <cjwatson> should all be retrying now
[15:22] <chrisccoulson> excellent, thanks
[19:32] <caraka> Greetings! My bzr imports are failing because one of our devs started signing his PRs over on github. Is there an easy workaround, or am I better to switch to git on launchpad?
[19:37] <caraka> We have no submodules, just a stray gpgsig
[19:46] <cjwatson> I'm afraid there's no workaround
[19:47] <cjwatson> Once I'm done with my current urgent project the tentative plan is to do git-to-git imports next; in the meantime you can do periodic git pull/push by hand to create an LP git mirror
[19:47] <cjwatson> (which isn't great, I know, but shouldn't be utterly horrible and is closer to what we'll end up with)
[19:48] <caraka> thanks cj, that's what my reading had suggested, I wanted to check that I hadn't missed something. Cheers
[19:50] <cjwatson> It's a bit of a FAQ at the moment, but that's useful because it means there's clear pressure to get it done
[19:51] <caraka> No doublt I'm just one more squeak of the wheel.  :P
[19:51] <caraka> It's all good becuase the recipes are sorted already.


[06:13] <wintermu1e> anyone know much about routing in linux?
[06:13] <foo> wintermu1e: Just ask ...
[06:15] <wintermu1e> ok, anyone know how to have linux dynamically determine which interface to send out packets on for a box with multiple nics all on the same subnet, but where some of the nics may not be plugged in?
[06:15] <wintermu1e> but the non-plugged in nics could be up and configured
[06:16] <wintermu1e> or where the place to look for an answer to this might be
[06:19] <lamont> wintermu1e: sounds like a bonding question
[06:19] <lamont> or see the kernel docs on multiple routing tables
[06:21] <wintermu1e> lamont: thanks, hadn't occured to me that bonding might work
[06:22] <lamont> wintermu1e: traditionally, you get one NIC per subnet, and the choice of which interface to send packets out is based purely upon destination IP
[06:23] <wintermu1e> lamont: yeah, and it seems that the normal routing doesn't support anything other than that model (you can have two interfaces on the same subnet, but the packet always goes out on the same interface)
[06:26] <lamont> as it should. :-
[06:26] <lamont> _
[06:26] <lamont> :-)
[06:26] <lamont> damn keyboard
[06:27] <lamont> the advanced routing tables let you add more things to the selection criteria
[06:29] <ScottK> BTW, in case any one is interested I'm working on merging dkim-milter 1.2 from Debian with Ubuntu specific stuff (like /var/run is a tempfs).
[06:29] <ScottK> It's also late here and so I'll finish tomorrow.  Good night.
[06:32] <wintermu1e> lamont: where is the advanced routing doc?
[06:33] <lamont> http://lartc.org/ looks promising
[06:33] <lamont> google: linux advance routing howto
[06:34] <wintermu1e> thanks
[02:14] <ScottK> soren: Are you around?
[02:15] <dendrobates> ScottK: soren is out, can I help?
[02:15] <ScottK> On Bug #105225, my suggestion would be that if your testing indicates the fix does not harm, upload it to dapper-proposed and let the reporter install/test it from there.
[02:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 105225 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 "'flush tables with read lock' causes mysql server to deadlock" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105225
[02:15] <dendrobates> bug 125850
[02:15] <ubotu> Bug 125850 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/125850 is private
[02:15] <ScottK> dendrobates: Just wanted to follow up with him thee above mysql bug.
[02:15] <ScottK> No rush.
[02:16] <dendrobates> He should be back in a couple hours.  Also mathiaz does a lot of work with mysql bugs.
[02:17] <ScottK> dendrobates: It at least slightly interesting that without security permissions I can tell you were trying to look up a security issue in linux-source-2.6.15
[02:17] <ScottK> That strikes me as a slight, but unnecessary information leak.
[02:18] <dendrobates> ScottK: I think that is alright, it's the comments that are private.  From a support customer.  Can you see those?
[02:18] <ScottK> No, just the package that the bug is in from the LP url that redirects to.
[02:18] <ScottK> Ah.
[02:19] <ScottK> I think it would be slightly better to do the permissions check before executing the redirect.
[02:19] <ScottK> But I'm paranoid.
[02:21] <dendrobates> create a bug againstr launchpad, and see what they say, I am inclined to agree with you, but I am paranoid as well.  :)
[02:27] <ScottK> I'll do that.
[02:58] <eikke> any reason libapache2-mod-security isn't in feisty?
[03:02] <ScottK> Probably because no one packaged it.
[03:03] <ScottK> I don't see that in any Ubuntu release.
[03:03] <ScottK> Nevermind.  I take that back.
[03:08] <ScottK> It was removed, I'm not sure way.  Generally they don't do that randomly.  At a guess from hints I see on Google, I'd expect a licensing issue.  Not sure.
[03:08] <eikke> ah, so should be possible to package it myself?
[03:09] <lionel> It was removed for a licensing issue yes
[03:09] <lionel> and same for Debian
[03:09] <eikke> bummer, I like it
[03:43] <fernando> moin all
[05:39] <soren> ScottK: I'm around now.
[05:51] <ScottK> soren: Did you see my comments in the backscroll?
[05:57] <soren> ScottK: Ah, yes.
[05:58] <soren> ScottK: the thing is that the SRU policy also states that there must be some way to verify (by more than one person) that the bug has been fixed.
[05:58] <ScottK> OK.  That was all I had.
[05:58] <ScottK> Right.
[05:58] <soren> ScottK: So I'll need some way to reproduce it anyway.
[05:58] <ScottK> Well then I guess ask the reporter for a simplified test case...
[05:58] <soren> ScottK: That's what I did, wasn't it?
[05:59] <soren> I believe so.
[05:59] <ScottK> Alternatively, publish it in proposed, let the reporter test it.  Leave it there, and then the next time someone complains about the bug, say, "Here. try this."
[05:59] <soren> For now, the fix is actually in my PPA.
[05:59] <ScottK> In the mean time, the reporter is happy.
[06:00] <soren> ScottK: I can't just upload stuff to -proposed, can I?
[06:00] <ScottK> Are you a core-dev?
[06:00] <soren> ScottK: Nope.
[06:00] <ScottK> Acutally it doesn't matter.
[06:00] <ScottK> You need to have an archive admin ack it anyway.
[06:00] <soren> ScottK: I wasn't just thinking "will Soyuz let me?", but also if I'm allowed to by policy.
[06:01] <soren> ScottK: Then I'm SOL. :) pitti is picky about these things.
[06:01] <ScottK> If it were Universe, you'd go ahead and upload it and wait for the archive admin.
[06:01] <ScottK> Just wait until it's Riddell's admin day to upload it then ;-)
[06:01] <soren> He has admin days now, too?
[06:02] <ScottK> Yes
[06:08] <[miles] > afternoon guys
[06:09] <[miles] > anyone know if L7-Filtering is available with Ubuntu Server?
[06:09] <soren> [miles] : What sort of filtering, specifically?
[06:09] <[miles] > L7
[06:10] <[miles] > http://l7-filter.sourceforge.net
[06:10] <soren> Ah, I though you just meant layer 7 in the generic sense.
[06:11] <[miles] > :)
[06:12] <[miles] > we could do with trying it out on some of our FW's
[06:12] <[miles] > which are either 6.06 or 7.04
[06:15] <soren> [miles] : I see no indication that we support that. Sorry.
[06:15] <[miles] > ok np
[06:15] <[miles] > I can compile the source and try it on new installation
[06:15] <[miles] > thanks anyway
[06:16] <soren> [miles] : You could file a bug about its absence?
[06:17] <soren> [miles] : Against linux-source-2.6.22 and iptables (just one bug, but against both of them)
[06:23] <ScottK> soren: Wouldn't it be a needs-packaging bug?
[06:24] <soren> ScottK: I don't remember what the criteria are for that.
[06:24] <[miles] > would'nt class it as a bug anyway
[06:24] <[miles] > personally
[06:24] <soren> ScottK: It involves a patch to the netfilter code in the kernel and a patch against iptables..
[06:24] <soren> [miles] : Wishlist bug, surely?
[06:25] <[miles] > well
[06:25] <[miles] > thats not 100% true
[06:25] <[miles] > about kernel patching
[06:25] <[miles] > there is two options
[06:25] <[miles] > kernel, as you say
[06:26] <[miles] > and user space
[06:27] <[miles] > which they say is the planned default method of filtering
[06:29] <[miles] > http://l7-filter.sourceforge.net/README (Very bottom)
[06:29] <[miles] > Userspace version
[06:30] <soren> Ah, sorry. I didn't notice that.
[06:30] <[miles] > jeje np
[06:30] <[miles] > I hate reading websites too
[06:30] <ScottK> [miles] : Any experience or interest in doing Debian packaging?
[06:30] <[miles] > wow, we have a lot more nicks in here than ever, 62
[06:30] <[miles] > nice
[06:30] <[miles] > is Ubuntu Server becoming more popular or what
[06:30] <[miles] > :)
[06:31] <[miles] > ok, their dropping like flies
[06:31] <[miles] > :)
[06:34] <soren> Ah, yes, the userspace version sounds like what we want.
[06:35] <ScottK> If [miles]  is interested in packaging it, I'm sure someone over in #ubuntu-motu would be glad to help him do it.
[06:35] <[miles] > ScottK: I must read up on packaging actualyl
[06:35] <[miles] > my work load is immense atm tho :-|
[06:36] <[miles] > and in the evenings, it so hot out here, I can't really be bothered sitting at a keyboard
[06:36] <ScottK> If you are interested in deploying this package, it'll be easier for you to deploy it with your own Debian package even if it's not uploaded.
[06:36] <ScottK> So it'll save you work.
[06:36] <[miles] > yeah I agree
[06:37] <[miles] > I know how to package RPM's
[06:37] <[miles] > cos I worked with SuSE for many years
[06:37] <[miles] > but not really .deb's
[06:37] <[miles] > I will get round to looking into it tho
[06:37] <[miles] > promise
[06:37] <[miles] > :)
[06:37] <[miles] > lionel: won't I :-)
[06:37] <ScottK> Well genericly the stuff in a spec file goes in a debian directory, but there's more to it.
[06:37] <ScottK> Maybe lionel will package it.
[06:38] <[miles] > ;-)
[06:39] <[miles] > http://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/2007/mfsa2007-18.html
[06:39] <[miles] > I have had sooooooo many crashes in FF, it's unreal
[06:39] <[miles] > never have I know so many, now that explains it
[06:40] <[miles] > right, im heading home
[06:41] <[miles] > see u 2moro
[06:41] <[miles] > ciao
[07:01] <ScottK> I got dkim-filter working with Postfix.
[07:04] <lamont> awesome
[07:04] <lamont> any postfix changes needed?
[07:04] <ScottK> No.
[07:05] <ScottK> The dkim-filter package in Debian works.
[07:05] <ScottK> You have to set some options to work with Postfix, but other than the normal stuff to config Postfix to work with a milter, no.
[07:07] <lamont> ScottK: wietse was pretty proud of his sendmail developer's award
[07:07] <ScottK> Rightfully so.
[07:08] <lamont> and lazily so, too.  implementing sendmail-milter support in postfix relieves him of doing milter-esque stuff to postfix
[07:08] <lamont> very smart move
[07:08] <ScottK> Why in the world would dkim-filter sign the user-agent header by defult?
[07:08] <ScottK> Now if he'd just add Mail From rewriting via the milter interface I'd be satisfied.
[07:09] <ScottK> Key point...  dkim-flter signs the received headers too, so you need to call the milter after the last time Postfix has recieved it or the signature fails.
[07:16] <lamont> I mention it here, since it's a server install I'm hitting it on... :0)
[07:18] <ScottK> lamont: That'll be something that needs to be dealt with for LTS to LTS+1 upgrades then.
[07:21] <lamont> Configuration file `/etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf'
[07:21] <lamont> *** initramfs.conf (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N]  ?
[07:21] <lamont> ouch
[07:36] <ScottK> That or I messed up my key record....
[07:38] <hansin321> I just wanted to say that I love the keep it simple design aspects of Ubuntu Server, and how it installs a basic server and leaves the rest up to the user to decide what else they want to install/ports to open, etc.  I guess I was just looking to clarify if this design philosophy is something that Ubuntu Server will try to adhere to going forward.  I am hoping so, because it is a really cool install 'out of the box' compared to
[07:47] <mralphabet> hansin321: yes
[08:02] <hansin321> mralphabet: Thanks.  I am glad to hear that, as I really like the approach Ubuntu Server has taken.
[08:02] <soren> hansin321: That is likely going to keep being the default install, yes.
[08:03] <soren> hansin321: Other options will be added, though-
[08:03] <hansin321> soren: Sure.  Kind of like the 'Install LAMP server now' scenario?  But for other things?
[08:03] <soren> soren: Something like that, yes.
[08:04] <soren> hansin321: ^^
[08:22] <ScottK> Well I think I got the Ubuntu specific needs for dkim-milter/dkim-filter sorted out.  Just doing a Gutsy test build and then I'll upload it.
[08:24] <hansin321> Thanks all.  I enjoy 'listening' in on the chat traffic and getting a sense of where things are headed.
[08:28] <ScottK> lamont: The DKIM Milter is uploaded.  If you are interested, you can either ask pitti or Mithrandir to pretty please accept dkim-milter 1.2.0.dfsg-1ubuntu1 or just wait until after Tribe 3 releases.
[08:30] <lamont> what had to change from debian?
[08:30] <lamont> and after tribe3 is fast enough, I expect... 24 hours and all that
[08:31] <BFTD> On a remote terminal, how do I enter a command and then close the terminal without killing that process/command I started in it?
[08:32] <mralphabet> &
[08:32] <mralphabet> I think
[08:32] <BFTD> ?
[08:32] <BFTD> oh
[08:32] <mralphabet> some command &
[08:32] <BFTD> so like "& <command>"?
[08:32] <BFTD> ok
[08:33] <mralphabet> if you run bash that puts it into the background, though I don't know if the session close kills it
[08:33] <mralphabet> alternatively you could use screen
[08:33] <BFTD> I want to compile a kernel, which'll take about 5 hours on this system, but I need to do it over a slow internet connection
[08:33] <ScottK> lamont: Mostly I added a test for the PID dir and to add it if missing to the init (since var/run is a tempfs) and changed the default config from a Unix socket to TCP localhost port 8891 to it'll work with or without a chroot and no fiddling.
[08:34] <ScottK> lamont: Also I added info on Postfix integration into README.Debian.
[08:34] <mralphabet> BFTD: use screen
[08:34] <lamont> ok.  so mostly stuff that  needs to be in a debian bug report.  cool
[08:34] <mralphabet> !screen
[08:34] <ubotu> screen is a terminal multiplexer. See http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Screen
[08:35] <ScottK> lamont: None of what I changes is actually wrong for Sendmail on Debian though.
[08:35] <ScottK> changes/changed
[08:37] <lamont> ScottK: true enough, but creating /var/run directories is just a good thing to do in the init.d script, regardlesws
[08:38] <ScottK> So I should file a bug in BTS on that you think?
[08:39] <lamont> looks like two severity: wishlist bugs for debian: one for pid dir, and one for localhost switch for chroot happiness
[08:42] <ScottK> The localhost thing is already allowed for in the supplied config file, it's just not default.
[08:43] <ScottK> Maybe ask to have it switched to the default for broader compatibility.
[08:50] <BFTD> hrm, I have ftpd-server installed, how do I ftpd into my server though!!
[08:50] <BFTD> it tells me connection denied
[08:54] <lamont> BFTD: I expect it wants to be configured first...
[08:54] <lamont> I've never used that package though
[08:55] <mralphabet> BFTD: use sftp
[09:01] <BFTD> mralphabet isn't sftp like ssh+ftp?
[09:02] <ScottK> BFTD: Generally, yes, but you don't need to install/configure any extra packages to do it.
[09:02] <BFTD> hrm
[09:04] <ScottK> ssh + ftp - plain text passwords and data streaming across the internet and a few other details.
[09:13] <lamont> ScottK: I use vsftpd wherever anonymous access is desirable
[10:04] <ScottK> lamont: I'm going to wait on filing bugs and such until I get my licensing questions (see ubuntu-devel) resovled.
[10:05] <J-_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30379/ any ideas?
[10:43] <ScottK> Do you have php-db installed?
[10:49] <J-_> ScottK: No, should I install it?
[10:49] <Innatech> is there a .deb of the binary Intel Pro NIC drivers maintained anywhere?
[10:50] <ScottK> J-_: I know very little about php, but that looks like you are missing a package.  There is a package with php-pear stuff in it.  I think it's php-db, but I'm not sure.  I'd recommend you do some research.
[10:51] <J-_> k thanks
[10:52] <J-_> it's a php pear database abstraction layer
[11:05] <nealmcb>  /join #ubuntu-bugs
[11:15] <soren> Innatech: Not that I know of, no.
[11:19] <Innatech> soren: thanks.
[11:20] <Burgundavia> hey soren
[11:21] <soren> Burgundavia: Ahoy.
[11:21] <nealmcb> ScottK: are there forwarders that change user-agent?  that would seem odd.
[11:22] <nealmcb> but of course much of the world of email is complicated enough to be "odd" :-)
[11:22] <ScottK> I have no idea.  I have even less idea why someone would care.
[11:27] <Innatech> does apt-get have an option to include recommends w/o changing its .conf?
[11:29] <ScottK> I don't think so.
[11:29] <Innatech> yeah, OK.
[11:29] <Innatech> thx.
[11:30] <ScottK> Of course you should also keep in mind that I think lots of things that turn out not to be true;-)
[11:33] <soren> Innatech: apt-get -o APT::Instll-Recommends ought to do it?
[11:33] <soren> Innatech: The trick being that you have to spell Install correctly, though.
[11:33] <Nafallo> but correctly spelled
[11:34] <soren> Nafallo: Quite :)
[11:34] <Innatech> oh, nice. I forgot about -o . Thanks!
[11:34] <soren> Innatech: Any time.
[11:36] <soren> ScottK: *g*
[11:40] <lamont> ew
[11:40] <lamont> ScottK: ^^'
[11:43] <ajmitch> good day
[11:44] <Taco|king> hey
[11:44] <ajmitch> soren: I see you stuffed storm into gutsy already
[11:45] <Nafallo> ehrm
[11:45] <Nafallo> not my storm I hope :-)
[11:45] <Nafallo> http://home.nafallo.info/pics/animals/storm.jpg
[11:46] <soren> Nafallo: That's the one. :)
[11:46] <Nafallo> :-P
[11:46] <soren> ajmitch: Yeah. Go me! :)
[11:46] <ajmitch> yeah
[11:46] <Taco|king> je looks like a cloud.....thats awesome
[11:46] <Taco|king> he*
[11:46] <Nafallo> :-)
[11:47] <Taco|king> my laptop hates me and linux
[11:47] <Taco|king> :(
[11:51] <ajmitch> hm, a section about declining membership for the server team - I probably wouldn't qualify for it now
[11:52] <ScottK> If you got the message, you qualify.
[11:52] <ScottK> Since currently the only qualification is to be subscribed to the mailing list.
[11:54] <ajmitch> nah, it's more than that
[11:55] <ajmitch> or it should be soon :)
[11:56] <Innatech> so, the e1000 drivers want the kernel source to compile against. Do I install linux-source or linux-source-2.16.15
[11:57] <Innatech> or does the former just point to the latter?
[11:59] <ajmitch> linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[11:59] <ajmitch> should hopefully be enough for that module
[12:00] <Innatech> ah, nice.
[12:00] <Innatech> thanks.
[12:08] <nealmcb> ajmitch: Does server team membership include extra permissions?   What are you thinking in terms of membership requirements?
[12:08] <soren> ajmitch: Currently, all you get is a shitload of bug mail.
[12:09] <soren> nealmcb: ^^
[12:09] <nealmcb> :-)


 "...Your first five minutes with Multipass should give you a sense of how much fun it is to have a lightweight cloud handy ..."  What about lxd?
[17:06] <TJ-> Seems like Canonical is on a mission to capture customers with these multiple custom tie-ins
[17:07] <TJ-> hggdh: lxd is the container strand whereas it looks like multipass is VMs
[17:07] <TJ-> hggdh: but looks like the same command-line as lxc for lxd
[18:17] <blackflow> TJ-: thoughts on zsys, another NIH by noobnonical to be used nowhere else but Ubuntu, and abandoned full of bugs and barely functioning, two years later?
[18:20] <TJ-> abandoned? not seen that but the repo looks to be actively updated
[18:23] <blackflow> give it time, it will be
[18:23] <daftykins> :D
[18:26] <TJ-> looks to be experimental from what I can see of the context
[20:34] <OerHeks> the bloat, the bloat!  lolz ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7uL50zVZJA
[21:01] <hggdh> TJ-: docs say it runs KVM on Linux


[22:23] <Titan8990> Mood: 3com usually has excellent linux support, there is likely an open source driver you could be using instead
[22:23] <Jack_Sparrow> !feisty
[22:23] <Jordan_U> njs_, Are you still there?
[22:23] <umbrella> please help, ok.....so i installed ubuntu from within windows on my eeepc, went to reboot, selected ubuntu....then it goes back to the boot choices, select ubuntu again, goes back to boot choices.
[22:23] <njs_> Yes
[22:24] <phorensic2> hmm
[22:24] <Titan8990> Mood: actually that is your ethernet, not wireless
[22:24] <pike_> umbrella: hit the letter e to edit the selection and then we can ask you what is on each line in the menu.lst file
[22:24] <Jack_Sparrow> umbrella Please  hold down the repeats.. I personally wont use nor recommend a wubi install from inside windows.. please see the faq for more info
[22:24] <pike_> umbrella: e = edit b= boot in grub menu
[22:24] <Mood> Titan8990: yup- i just noticed. it's Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI
[22:24] <Mood> Titan8990: it's a linksys
[22:25] <calliope> i know eol is no longer software supported and that is part of why I want to upgrade
[22:25] <paul68> cool2k2: I am in /media/home
[22:25] <calliope> !eol
[22:25] <mfdavid> hi all. I installed a new sound card (SoundBlaster Live). I used to use an onboard sound, but it sucked. I configured the sound at system->preferences->sound. Totem works fine, but everything else I got no sound... games, etc. In debian I used to configure Alsa with alsaconf, but I cant find it under Ubuntu. Where can I config alsa?
[22:25] <noon_> anyone can help me with my problem of mediatomb and ps3 video lag? :'(
[22:26] <calliope> if it is only security updates then whats wrong with the upgrade
[22:26] <calliope> !upgrade
[22:26] <phorensic1> mfdavid: is it alsa-config?
[22:26] <umbrella> pike_: i cant even get there, it just leaves me at the screen that says "Please select the operating system to start"
[22:26] <Jack_Sparrow> calliope the repos no longer exist
[22:26] <cool2k2> paul68: sorry, let's start clean in there ok, umount /dev/sdc1 and execute "mke2fs -j /dev/sdc1" to format the drive again
[22:26] <phorensic1> alsamixer***
[22:26] <cool2k2> ok?
[22:27] <Jack_Sparrow> calliope YOu can edit  your sources list to an old archive and do your upgrade
[22:27] <calliope> Jack_Sparrow: there has to be a back up some where
[22:27] <Jordan_U> Jack_Sparrow, calliope They do, the just aren't supported and are at a different address
[22:27] <mfdavid> phorensic1: command not found. Alsamixer just change the volume. I need something to tell Alsa that my primary sound card is the SBLive.
[22:27] <maximal> ps
[22:27] <Jack_Sparrow> Jordan_U I am aware   yes
[22:27] <phorensic1> mfdavid: you can't do it through gui?
[22:27] <MichelleObama> Where's Dick?
[22:27] <paul68> cool2k2: ok but in ext3 please\
[22:27] <DickCheney> Here I am!
[22:27]  * MichelleObama drags Dick Cheney out of the wheelchair and humps him.
[22:28] <cool2k2> paul68: yes, that command formats the drive with ext3
[22:28] <mfdavid> phorensic1: Tried under system->proferences->sound, but as I said, it is only working for totem.
[22:28] <calliope> Jordan_U: ok so where can I learn what other sources still contain the upgrade to version 7.10
[22:28] <MichelleObama> $
[22:28] <phorensic1> mfdavid: perhaps it is a pulse audio issue?
[22:28] <umbrella> pike_: any clue what i may have done wrong
[22:28] <phorensic1> mfdavid: Im not too familiar with sound issues
[22:28] <paul68> cool2k2: ok busy
[22:28] <mfdavid> phorensic1: pulse audio?
[22:29] <cool2k2> paul68: or you can use   "mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdc1"
[22:29] <Jordan_U> calliope, looking now
[22:29] <njs_> Anything on that wifi?
[22:29] <phorensic1> !pulseaudio
[22:29] <noon_> anyone can help me with my problem of mediatomb and ps3 video lag? :'(
[22:29] <paul68> cool2k2: done
[22:30] <cool2k2> paul68: ok
[22:30] <phorensic1> mfdavid: I had some sound issues that were resulting from pulse audio in the past but I have no idea how it works lol
[22:30] <mfdavid> hehe
[22:30] <Jordan_U> calliope, http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/
[22:30] <cool2k2> paul68: now mount it in /media/home (sudo mount /dev/sdc1 /media/home -t ext3)
[22:31] <e3co> hi everyone
[22:31] <paul68> cool2k2: done
[22:31] <calliope> Jordan_U: ok so substitiute old-releases.ubuntu onto each line then
[22:31] <cool2k2> paul68: now excecute "sudo cp -a /home/paul /media/home"
[22:31] <Jordan_U> njs_, ( in case you missed this comment before ) Installing "linux-backports-modules-intrepid" may get your card to work ( I am still researching though )
[22:31] <Jordan_U> calliope, yes
[22:32] <Jack_Sparrow> cool2k2 are you trying to help him setup a sep /home ?
[22:32] <paul68> Jack_Sparrow: yes
[22:32] <cool2k2> Jack_Sparrow: yes
[22:32] <Jack_Sparrow> !home
[22:32]  * mfdavid rebooting X11, will be back soon
[22:33] <e3co> paul68:  what is it archive, then partition, then unarchive?
[22:33] <Jack_Sparrow> cool2k2 the fstab mount is /home right  not /media/home
[22:33] <e3co> sorry i meant cool2k2
[22:33] <e3co> what is it archive, then partition, then unarchive?
[22:33] <Jordan_U> njs_, Did you see my last message?
[22:34] <njs_> Yes, I installed it but nothing came of it.
[22:34] <cool2k2> Jack_Sparrow: yes, we are migrating his old /home content into the new separated drive
[22:34] <CAiRO_> hi
[22:34] <e3co> hi cairo
[22:34] <Jordan_U> njs_, You may need to reboot ( or run "sudo modprobe ath5k" )
[22:35] <paul68> Jack_Sparrow: correct
[22:35] <CAiRO_> i have a problem, when i open the "Administration -> Users and Groups" dialog, i cannot unlock it because the unlock button is greyed
[22:35] <CAiRO_> how can i fix that?
[22:35] <Jack_Sparrow> ok, just checking
[22:35] <cool2k2> Jack_Sparrow: so /media/home is the new drive and we are coping the content of /home into /media/home
[22:35] <cool2k2> Jack_Sparrow: ok, thanks}
[22:35] <e3co> CAiRO_:  neat problem
[22:35] <njs_> Modprobe didn't find ath5k...
[22:35] <e3co> CAiRO_:  which dist?
[22:35] <paul68> Jack_Sparrow: but when we try to copy everything to the new drive its not working some howe
[22:35] <CAiRO_> ubuntu 8.04
[22:36] <KabOom> test
[22:36] <e3co> CAiRO_:  fresh install or upgrade?
[22:36] <CAiRO_> fresh install.. and i'm pretty sure it has been working at some time before
[22:36] <Jack_Sparrow> paul68 cool2k2 care  to /join #Jack_Sparrow so we can get this worked out
[22:36] <Jordan_U> njs_, Can you please pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy linux-backports-modules-intrepid' /
[22:36] <cool2k2> paul68: did you execute "sudo cp -a /home/paul /media/home"?? that should work
[22:36] <cool2k2> Jack_Sparrow: ok
[22:37] <e3co> CAiRO_:  hmm
[22:37] <countd> anyone know i decent guide to transcode an mp4 file to dvd?
[22:37] <countd> can't seem to turn anything up on google
[22:38] <eni> someone knows something about hdsp hammerfall and ubuntu 8.10?
[22:38] <toader> Hi, in Ubuntu any tools that can convert PDF into JPG, or PNG file?
[22:38] <eni> there seems to be a bug - works fine with 8.04 but nothing under 8.10?
[22:38] <njs_> http://pastebin.com/d26d6bf56
[22:38] <Uplink> !webcam
[22:39] <nightrid3r> eni: thats a pro card, try to ask in #ubuntustudio
[22:39] <e3co> CAiRO_:  did you install the server and then add gui or the desktop version?
[22:39] <eni> je its a procard, i will ask there
[22:39] <eni> thanks
[22:39] <Uplink> wth!? no HP webcams supported!?
[22:39] <toader> Hi, in Ubuntu any tools that can convert PDF into JPG, or PNG file?
[22:40] <nightrid3r> !patience | toader
[22:40] <redvamp128> toader:  I am not to sure though but off hand I would say Foxit-
[22:40] <Uplink> lol!
[22:40] <Titan8990> Uplink: Other than printers, HP usually has fairly poor linux support
[22:40] <Uplink> Titan8990: that sucks bro =/
[22:40] <Uplink> Im buying a dell next time
[22:41] <Titan8990> Uplink: dell and toshiba have had the best support from my experience
[22:41] <Jordan_U> njs_, What is the output of "uname -r" ?
[22:41] <Uplink> Titan8990: hmm toshiba? arent dells better than toshiba
[22:41] <Uplink> and more sexxy ;D
[22:41] <njs_> 2.6.27-7-generic
[22:41] <aciu> Uplink, you wont get dell ubuntu preinstalet :(
[22:41] <puff> What are the odds that aa ubuntu hardy install on a 320GB drive with a single big LVM partition will boot up on random (fairly recent) hardware?
[22:41] <Titan8990> Uplink: with laptops it typically comes down to preference, I prefer toshibas
[22:41] <Uplink> aciu: i want archlinux on my PC too :D
[22:42] <puff> I'm pretty sure neither the old case/motherboard/cpu nor the new one have anything exotic.
[22:42] <Titan8990> Uplink: but I have seen some really nice dells with 17" 1920x1200 display :)
[22:42] <Uplink> Titan8990: oh really? why so? arent sony vaio good too?
[22:42] <puff> Titan8990:  What was the question?
[22:42] <Uplink> Titan8990: if i ever buy a laptop again i would buy a sony vaio or a Mac but i want linux on it =[
[22:42] <Titan8990> Uplink: wouldn't know about the vaios, don't know from experience but I also here leveno is good
[22:43] <redvamp128> Uplink:  Vaio -- only if you double check the battery number as well as the charger number --
[22:43] <Uplink> redvamp128: what is that supposed to mean lol
[22:43] <puff> Uplink: I have a thinkpad t43p, one of the last batch manufactured by IBM before they sold the line to lenovo.
[22:43] <redvamp128> Uplink:  I know of 4 people who had returns or rather had to send them in--
[22:43] <Uplink> redvamp128: oh wow why
[22:44] <Uplink> puff: thinkpads are oldschool :D
[22:44] <Uplink> do thinkpads support ubuntu tho?
[22:44] <puff> Uplink: Well, I couldn't afford a fully ruggedized laptop.
[22:44] <puff> Uplink: I've been running ubuntu on my thinkpad for three+ years now, been pretty good.
[22:44] <Titan8990> Uplink: I'm sure they do, usually anything IBM has a hand in usually has good linux support
[22:44] <Uplink> does ur pc start going 100% when u run flash?
[22:44] <redvamp128> Uplink:  They all had sony vaio's and the battery on some had to be replaced-- then they had to switch to the external battery and charger -- something about overheating during charging. (only affects some models though) but 4 people I know personally... makes one think 2x about getting them.
[22:45] <Uplink> redvamp128: they are sexxy tho
[22:45] <Jordan_U> njs_,That is odd, ath5k should be there. Have you tried rebooting? ( it shouldn't be necessary but can't hurt )
[22:46] <umbrella> Uplink: I would prefer the safety of my crotch over the prettiness of my laptop
[22:46] <redvamp128> Uplink:  yes they ran great but when you set your laptop on a flat desk and it melts the plastic cover kind of makes one think about if you wanted to put it on your lap.
[22:46] <nightrid3r> Uplink: the 20'' from HP thats sexy
[22:46] <puff> So can anybody answer my question about booting up an ubuntu installed drive in a different case/mb/cpu?
[22:46] <redvamp128> Uplink:  though to note once you-- move it to the external battery and charger it does just fine.
[22:46] <Uplink> LOL
[22:46] <Titan8990> Jordan_U: I saw him report a lsmod earlier and a5k was loaded.....
[22:47] <Apjone> Vamp wots the q?
[22:47] <Uplink> alright thanx everyone for their feedback... i gotta get going
[22:47] <Uplink> see ya
[22:47] <redvamp128> Uplink:  though it only affects certain models though-- I would have have to check the number of models from friends
[22:47] <Jordan_U> Titan8990, Maybe it was just a typo when he ran modprobe then
[22:47] <sacrebleu> please take this poll: http://gudagi.com/poll.html
[22:47] <puff> Uplink: I considered dell, thinkpad and apple when it came time to buy.  Ultimately apple didn't have good java support at th etime (it hsa improved) and I work with java, so I ruled out apple.  Dell has great support, but I'd rather have the laptop not break to begin with.
[22:47] <Ferrous> hallo. I've got a rather complex problem reguarding installation of grub from an ubuntu live cd as i installed ubuntu to an external hard drive and it ruined the current install of grub on the windows machine. I'd rather the machine only run window at the moment- it isnt mine. When i try to follow guides, using find /boot/grub/stage1 comes up with an error 15 [file not found]
[22:47] <puff> And as it turns out, thinkpads also have great support.
[22:47] <nightrid3r> puff: there should be little problem except maybe video card
[22:47] <puff> Thinkpads are built like tanks, especailly the T series.
[22:47] <redvamp128> puff:  uplink has left the building right before my last comment
[22:48] <Titan8990> Jordan_U: I saw it... ath_pci and its dependency
[22:48] <puff> Dangit.
[22:48] <puff> Ah well.
[22:48] <puff> I'd still like to get a milspec ruggedized laptop :-).
[22:48] <pike_> puff: 1) pop in a livecd and boot from that  2) do a sudo fdisk -l to see what your ubuntu drive is (sda1 or sdb1 etc) 3) sudo grub  4) root (sdb1)  5) setup (sda)   <-- or just edit your MB bios to boot the other drive frist but those steps will install grub to the first hd mbr (sda)
[22:48] <puff> nightrid3r:  Thanks.
[22:48] <pike_> ^  i think
[22:48] <Jordan_U> Titan8990, to be clear, you saw ath5k and ath_pci ?
[22:48] <Apjone> Puff also check mac address in /etc/iftab sometimes may cause u not to have networking
[22:49] <Titan8990> Jordan_U: If you were here that long, i have it timestamped for :16 of the current hour
[22:49] <aciu> if i where buying new laptp, i would looking for one witch is supported by virtualization any lap has wind preinstalled
[22:49] <Ferrous> might anyone have an idea how to fix my problem i stated earlier?
[22:50] <Apjone> Ferrous: wot problem?
[22:50] <cbwcjw> Read up :)
[22:50] <Ferrous> just a page up... i can send it again if you like
[22:50] <Jordan_U> Titan8990, I was here, but unfortunately my scrollback only goes to :22
[22:51] <pike_> Ferrous: occational reposts are ok as long as they are spaced out just ask again
[22:51] <Ferrous> alrighty-
[22:51] <Ferrous> hallo. I've got a rather complex problem reguarding installation of grub from an ubuntu live cd as i installed ubuntu to an external hard drive and it ruined the current install of grub on the windows machine. I'd rather the machine only run window at the moment- it isnt mine. When i try to follow guides, using find /boot/grub/stage1 comes up with an error 15 [file not found]
[22:52] <Apjone> Just seen, hmm verry odd. Maybe live cd and chroot to disk and update grub. Sorry using ipod atm,  laptop is in other room
[22:52] <Titan8990> Jordan_U: well it looks like he doesn't have ath_hal that is present on my laptop but I patched my ath5k drivers for injection
[22:52] <pike_> Ferrous: i think you can boot a windows disk and do a fdisk /mbr  from windows command prompt to just install windows boot loader again
[22:52] <Jordan_U> Ferrous, If you need to you can always run "fixboot" from a windows install CD and replace grub entirely
[22:52] <pike_> Ferrous: or ah fixboot i guess:)
[22:53] <Ferrous> pike, i dont have my administrator password. heh. I tried that ;[ I havent tried using "Admin" ass the password, but none and a space doesnt work
[22:53] <calliope> hm the distribution upograde has progressed to the next stage
[22:53] <pike_> Ferrous: personally i like grub so what i would do is have a seperate partition with grub installed and then have grub load windows
[22:53] <cbwcjw> What if I liked grub though, what would I do (Ive had this issue sort-of before)
[22:53] <Ferrous> is there a defailt administrator password for windows? the accounts have no passwords on them
[22:53] <Jordan_U> Ferrous, If it's XP then use some rainbow tables :)
[22:53] <cbwcjw> That was a fast response eh?
[22:53] <Vitautas> hi all
[22:54] <pike_> cbwcjw: like a 10-50MB boot partition
[22:54] <Apjone> Ferrous; lots of tools out there to reset admin psssword
[22:54] <Titan8990> Ferrous: they make registry editing live CDs for windows that will reset the password for non-domain controllers
[22:54] <Titan8990> Ferrous: let me see if I can find a link
[22:54] <aciu> does fdisk have /bmr command ?
[22:54] <calliope> i get an error for modifying the software channels; darn could not find some gutsy repositories under the the old-releases
[22:54] <Ferrous> aye, i shall need to burn more disks >_<
[22:54] <nightrid3r> aciu: yes
[22:55] <calliope> now it choked and died entirely
[22:55] <nightrid3r> aciu: well the windows one has
[22:55] <Peddy> Hi, how would I completely remove KDE and all KDE apps?
[22:55] <fosco_> !puregnome | Peddy
[22:55] <Jordan_U> Ferrous, http://ophcrack.sourceforge.net/
[22:55] <pike_> Peddy: the best way is to remove a common dependancy like the qt lib just remove one of the qt libs and it should pull all kde stuff too
[22:55] <Titan8990> Ferrous: http://honeytech.wordpress.com/2006/12/05/offline-nt-password-registry-editor-bootdisk-cd/
[22:55] <Peddy> thanks pike_, fosco_.
[22:56] <Hilaus> hi
[22:56] <aciu> nightrid3r, thing you helped me some :) thanks
[22:56] <howl> Hello, I am trying to use X11 forwarding.  I am using an ubuntu client connecting to an ubuntu server.  I am using the command ssh -X username@ipaddress.  When I start a program like, say firefox, it launches a local copy of firefox instead of one from the server.  Am I missing something?
[22:56] <phorensic> sudo apt-get remove --purge windowsxp && sudo apt-get install ubuntu
[22:56] <pike_> Hilaus: hi
[22:56] <Hilaus> I'm trying to install some new packages using aptitude but I get this error: " 404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80] "
[22:57] <bukowski> hu
[22:57] <Izinucs> I just enabled "Third-Party-Software" repo channel in Synaptic called archive.canonical.com/ubuntu intrepid partner.  I now have 22 updates from this connection. What's the danger in this repo? Should it be enabled all the time? Are the updates there for you to just cherry pick for your "most annoying issue"?
[22:57] <calliope> Jordan_U: the upgrade tool said it wanted to change the feisty entries to be gutsy entries and so I surmise that the sources.list should have a set of both entries for feisty and for gutsy. what do you think about that?
[22:58] <Lillymon> Does anyone have any idea how to change the tooltip text colour that GTK+ applications use? This seems to be an odd and alien idea that no one has ever considered, but can it be done?
[22:58] <bukowski> im trying to make a LAN over a crossover cable between a kubuntu and an ubuntu pc?
[22:59] <iamtheric> just use a regular cable
[22:59] <iamtheric> cat 5e
[22:59] <Titan8990> Izinucs: 3rd party repos do have potential to cause problems, along with the difficulty to support issues
[22:59] <Jordan_U> calliope, It should only have entries for one release at a time ( you can probably trust the upgrade tool )
[22:59] <calliope> the upgrade tool keeps choking
[22:59] <Izinucs> Titan8990: are the packages in there "proposed"? and may come down normally in the near future?
[23:00] <Jordan_U> calliope, What does it do exactly?
[23:00] <calliope> it tries to use gutsy from old releases which probably does not have gutsy yet
[23:00] <jsaveker001> iamtheric: Would he not need to use a switch/router/hub if using only normal cables?
[23:00] <umbrella> aight this may seem like a step in the wrong direction, but how do i completely rid myself of anything ubuntu related from windows. i need to restart the installation cause i think i did something wrong at the start (trying to use a live cd from a usb optical drive)
[23:00] <Titan8990> Izinucs: I don't have any experience with the repo, I would assume so
[23:00] <Peddy> how can I force-remove something with apt-get?
[23:00] <umbrella> *that's what i tried first
[23:00] <iamtheric> jsaveker001, ive made a router before with normal cables
[23:00] <Titan8990> bukowski: you need 1 A pattern and 1 B pattern....
[23:01] <umbrella> I need to be able to start from scratch and use only the usb key method
[23:01] <bukowski> Titan8990, i am kind of noob. What is lA and LB pattern?
[23:01] <jsaveker001> iamtheric: Please exaplin... I would love to do something similar... it would save me lots of hassle playing around with cross over cables
[23:01] <Titan8990> bukowski: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_crossover_cable
[23:02] <Titan8990> bukowski: you need certain tools to make a crossover cable, a crimper to be specific
[23:02] <bukowski> Titan8990, i bought a crossover cable from a store. Isnt it OK?
[23:03] <Titan8990> bukowski: yes
[23:03] <phorensic> Titan8990: You could ghetto rig it and use a regular cable and crosee the wires in the center of the cable manually... not recommended though of course
[23:03] <bukowski> Titan8990, and after it?
[23:03] <Ceninant> Um, how do I get the user list to the side like mIRC?
[23:04] <redvamp128> bukowski:  I think it should be ok-- because most modern network cards have autosense though I am not sure how to enable them through ubuntu-
[23:04] <Titan8990> bukowski: configure the network manager to put both computers on the same network
[23:04] <Titan8990> bukowski: you will need to assign the addresses statically since there is no dhcp server
[23:04] <ryanakca> Can IMAP mailboxes have submailboxes? Ex, ML/List1, ML/List2, etc?
[23:04] <bukowski> Titan8990, sorry for my being so noob... but where is this network manager thing?
[23:04] <Jordan_U> calliope, Ahh, I think the safest ( if a bit cludged ) thing to do would be to stop the upgrade, put duplicate entries for *feisty*, one set for archive.ubuntu.com, one for old-releases so one of them will be valid both before and after your sources.list is modified by the upgrader. That or just do a manual apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:04] <mfdavid> im trying to configure my sound card. I have a onboard intel and an offborad sound blaster live. totem and a few gnome sounds are played at the sound blaster (correct!) BUT games sounds, VLC and others are using the onboard card... how can I configure it to only use the offboard?
[23:05] <jsaveker001> redvamp128: Does the "autosense" feature mean you dont need a crossed over cable with modern nics?
[23:05] <Titan8990> bukowski: I am not using Ubuntu atm but I think that it is System -> Administration
[23:05] <redvamp128> jsaveker001:  yes it detects what kind of traffic is incomming and adjustes itself accordingly
[23:05] <bukowski> oh no, there is no such thing in administration.
[23:05] <Cpudan80> Is it safe to take away my own write permissions on a file?
[23:06] <calliope> Jordan_U: so gutsy entries need to be archive.ubuntu.com is that correct
[23:06] <Cpudan80> IE. Will I be able to put them back
[23:06] <redvamp128> jsaveker001:  though In windows there is an option for it in the device manager to enable that feature --- but in ubuntu I don't know.
[23:06] <jsaveker001> redvamp128: well that's pretty handy... thanks for the heads up
[23:06] <Jordan_U> calliope, Yes
[23:06] <redvamp128> mfdavid:  I would go into the bios and disable the onboard sound-- then use the dpkg reconfigure alsa
[23:06] <iamtheric> its one of the first google links guys
[23:06] <iamtheric> how to make ubuntu into a router
[23:07] <mfdavid> redvamp128: no way to disable it under bios.
[23:07] <iamtheric> http://ubuntulinuxhowto.blogspot.com/2006/06/setup-your-computer-to-be-router.html
[23:07] <iamtheric> that link
[23:07] <iamtheric> jsaveker001, http://ubuntulinuxhowto.blogspot.com/2006/06/setup-your-computer-to-be-router.html
[23:07] <redvamp128> mfdavid:  motherboard or manufacturer
[23:07] <calliope> oh I see two sets for feisty one at archive and one at old-releases and then during the first upgrade stage the archive will fail and then after the upgrade manager changes them to gutsy the old-release will fail and the archive. will work.   is that correct??
[23:07] <Tapout> is there a shortcut key to swap to the other desktop?
[23:07] <bukowski> thanks iamtheric :)
[23:07] <unop> Cpudan80, as long as you own the file, yes
[23:07] <iamtheric> jsaveker001, ive followed that exactly
[23:07] <Cpudan80> thats what I thought
[23:07] <Jordan_U> calliope, Yes
[23:07] <iamtheric> jsaveker001, and gotten it to work
[23:07] <Cpudan80> Stupid mouse keys keep turning on
[23:07] <redvamp128> mfdavid:  also it is possible there is a jumper on the motherboard for the older computers that is...
[23:08] <edythemighty> Hey #ubuntu. mib_z6ufu0 has a problem getting his Philips webcam to work under Ubuntu. Anyone able to help?
[23:08] <Cpudan80> I finally found what file has the setting --- I intend to make it uneditable
[23:08] <phorensic> Cpudan80: of course you could have tested it on a generic txt file or something
[23:08] <Cpudan80> I suppose
[23:08] <Cpudan80> but then I'd be stuck with a messed up txt file
[23:08] <mfdavid> redvamp128: its a new gigabyte motherboard (quadcore). But ill check it out. Thanks.
[23:08] <jsaveker001> iamtheric: I think we got our wires crossed.. I am familiar with iptables... I just did not realise two computers could chat via one cable if it was not crossed over... the autodetect feature is new for me
[23:08] <redvamp128> mfdavid:  the only other thing though you would have to ask someone else how to do it...
[23:08] <unop> Cpudan80, you can still write to a file (if you own it) after taking away write permissions for yourself :)
[23:09] <Cpudan80> unop: dammit
[23:09] <redvamp128> mfdavid:  that is to blacklist the intel sound in the hardware file
[23:09] <phorensic> Cpudan80: thats why you create one with nothing in it, delete if it gets jacked up
[23:09] <Cpudan80> unop: I'll chown it to root
[23:09] <unop> Cpudan80, you might want to make it immutable in that case .. see chattr(1)
[23:09] <unop> Cpudan80, even then :) .. if you own the directory, you can still write to the file
[23:09] <Cpudan80> unop: huh?
[23:09] <Jordan_U> unop, Wouldn't you need to chmod it first before being able to write to it?
[23:09] <Cpudan80> unop: that's not true
[23:09] <mfdavid> redvamp128: ok. Ill shutdown now to see if I find any jumps. Thanks. cya
[23:09] <unop> Cpudan80, try it out
[23:09] <redvamp128> mfdavid:  though unsure the exact file- -- but I know that would be a way to software do it ..
[23:09] <Cpudan80> unop: ok
[23:10] <laeg-ugh> i deleted my root partition by mistake but i still have the home one, if i reinstall on the unpartitioned space everything will be like it was, right?
[23:10] <ryanprior> My notification area claims that there is "1 file operation active" but that operation has hung and not gone away for many hours. Is there a way I can purge it?
[23:11] <Cpudan80> unop: odd
[23:11] <phorensic> ryanprior: is this a file that didn't download or what is it?
[23:11] <Jordan_U> unop, Are you talking about the special case of root, or in general ?
[23:11] <Cpudan80> unop: but I had to override to write it
[23:11] <pike_> laeg-ugh: youll need to point /home toward your home partition in /etc/fstab but yeah all your settings will be there after that
[23:12] <laeg-ugh> pike_: sweet :D
[23:12] <laeg-ugh> ty
[23:12] <unop> Jordan_U, errm, perhaps the former
[23:12] <unop> Cpudan80, yea, but did you have to chown before that?
[23:12] <Cpudan80> no
[23:12] <ryanprior> phorensic: I tried this morning to empty my trash can and the operation hung, so I hit "empty trash" again and it worked. But this notification never went away.
[23:12] <Cpudan80> unop: hopefully the stupid keyboard accessibility thing wont ignore the fact that it is read only
[23:12] <Cpudan80> and not owned by me
[23:13] <lukebassett> will installing ubuntu on a macbook effect my OSX experience in anyway besides restricting part of the hard drive? and do i need any other software to be able to boot to both operating systems?
[23:13] <LinuxJunke> nvidia 9400 GT problem  hooked up to tv need screen to be smaller
[23:13] <unop> Cpudan80, well, make it immutable and it should be fine
[23:13] <gmonnerat> hi all, someone works with Xvfb in ubuntu? Always when i have to start(Xvfb), i need rm /tmp/.X99-lock. Someone knows?
[23:13] <phorensic> ryanprior: hmm did you check in top to see if there is a process you can kill?
[23:13] <Cpudan80> unop: how do you do that?
[23:13] <unop> Cpudan80, see chattr(1)
[23:13] <redvamp128> ryanprior:  simple thing to try-- make a blank file and name it then move it to trash-- then clear trash
[23:13] <Jordan_U> lukebassett, No and no
[23:13] <LinuxJunke> nvidia 9400 GT toolbars on top and bottom dont show up 8.10 8.04 need settings manager options for tv?
[23:13] <pike_> LinuxJunke: can you elaborate a bit?  is this a hdtv? screensize on standard def is kinda set in stone
[23:14] <Jordan_U> lukebassett, You may want to install rEFIt to get a boot menu, but you don't need to ( you can just hold option down at boot )
[23:14] <phorensic> LinuxJunke: so its a window decoration problem?
[23:14] <redvamp128> ryanprior:  sometimes that will remove the trash is full notification
[23:14] <LinuxJunke> no hdtv  standard tv 5500 nvidia worked fine
[23:14] <bluey_> hi people
[23:14] <LinuxJunke> just upgrader to the 9400gt wont work settings manager looks different
[23:14] <bieb> ok... just installed 8.10 on my gateway here at work. I have dual displays with an ATI video card. I can configure it for one to be the main screen and the other to be a "big desktop" (as they put it in the config utility). But once I reboot it defaults back to "cloned desktop" any idea how to stop it from doing that? (other than not rebooting.. :D  )
[23:14] <Ceninant> Eh, I don't really like xchat too well.
[23:15] <bluey_> where do i set up my internet ip ans gateway etc
[23:15] <LinuxJunke> not sure
[23:15] <phorensic> LinuxJunke: Maybe you need to reinstall the graphics drivers ??
[23:15] <blue112> Hello everyone, apt-get says me a funny french error that I don't understand.
[23:15] <blue112> Can someone help me ?
[23:16] <LinuxJunke> the desktop is outta range of the screen resoulution
[23:16] <veritos> I'm on 64-bit and want to install ubuntu-restricted-extras. However, I don't want *any* sun-java6-* packages, just the OpenJDK ones. How would I pull this off?
[23:16] <Jordan_U> blue112, Can you pastebin the error, and are you french / have you changed any language settings ?
[23:16] <LinuxJunke> already done that from nvidia site and from ubuntu repositories
[23:16] <Cpudan80> unop: that appears to have worked - thanks
[23:16] <blue112> Jordan_U: I'm french, and I haven't changed anything :)
[23:17] <nightrid3r> blue112: we cant help you with the being french part :)
[23:17] <blue112> The error is really short : With LANG=CC, it says : Erreur du busge lists... 0%
[23:17] <Jordan_U> blue112, There is a french channel, but the error is probably recognizable
[23:17] <redvamp128> Jordan_U:  I had/have that issue sometimes though mainly -- for me I installed Gweled and it has french menu's though because I have played the games so many times I know the default menu
[23:17] <phorensic> LinuxJunke: Have you tried to manually edit the xorg file, sounds like you just have the wrong settings for the screen then?
[23:17] <blue112> Jordan_U: The french channel is dead.
[23:17] <redvamp128> !fr | blue112
[23:17] <blue112> Without it says : Erreur du busistes de paquets... 0%
[23:18] <blue112> redvamp128: I'm speaking english.
[23:18] <pike_> blue112: can you tell us the error?
[23:18] <calliope> Jordan_U: as soon as the upgrade tool reports that it failed to get archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/feisty the program exits and doesnt try the change to gutsy
[23:18] <blue112> pike_: The error is really short : With LANG=CC, it says : Erreur du busge lists... 0%, without it says : Erreur du busistes de paquets... 0%
[23:18] <pike_> blue112: nm just saw it
[23:18] <blouf> pike_, the error is in french :)
[23:18] <LinuxJunke> gonnA TRY THat now
[23:19] <phorensic> LinuxJunke: So you did try sudo nvidia-settings though rght?
[23:19] <blouf> pike_, in french "busiste" doesn't mean nothing ... that's the problem !
[23:19] <calliope> Jordan_U: I see a few typos so ill try it again
[23:19] <redvamp128> blue112:  try the following-- sudo apt-get update
[23:19] <blue112> redvamp128: Every apt command says the same thing.
[23:19] <blue112> Clean works.
[23:20] <blue112> But doesn't change anything.
[23:20] <redvamp128> purge?
[23:20] <LinuxJunke> yes
[23:20] <blue112> same
[23:20] <blue112> Erreur du busistes de paquets... 0%
[23:20] <unop> Jordan_U,  maybe i mean both cases after all .. http://pastebin.com/d3766b466
[23:20] <LinuxJunke> what should i put in the xorg file where?
[23:20] <redvamp128> blue112:  even after a reboot?
[23:20] <blue112> redvamp128: Why rebooting does change anything ?
[23:21] <_Vi_> isnt rebooting kinda a windows thing?
[23:21] <Jordan_U> calliope, If it doesn't work after fixing the typos you may need to change the sources.list and do a "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" which doesn't have as many sanity checks as update-manager
[23:21] <redvamp128> blue112:  with most computer issues- sometimes a reboot helps because it will cause it to reload all startup items. (that and it should clean up commands in terminal)
[23:21] <pike_> blue112: so you sudo apt-get update with same error?
[23:21] <phorensic> LinuxJunke: you need to look for the screen section and make sure that the information matches your tv's capabilities
[23:22] <redvamp128> blue112:  have you added any lines to your apt?
[23:22] <blue112> pike_: It download the packet list, bug at the end, says the same error (and quit)
[23:22] <blue112> None.
[23:22] <blue112> but*
[23:22] <phorensic> _Vi_: Yes it is however there are some instances where rebooting is necessary in linux too... plus if you don't know how to do things manually rebooting is easiest option
[23:22] <blouf> blue112, try to google it
[23:22] <blue112> I've tried
[23:22] <blue112> Nothing about it :/
[23:22] <redvamp128> what about your software sources?
[23:22] <blue112> That's why i'm here.
[23:23] <blue112> redvamp128: I don't really understand what you mean...
[23:23] <blue112> Ok, I understand.
[23:23] <blue112> Nothing between this bug and before.
[23:23] <_Vi_> phorensic: yea im aware that even linux needs reboot for like kernel updates, but for the most part not needed or not needed nearly as much as Winderz
[23:23] <redvamp128> blue112:  have you added any other software sources from the menu.
[23:23] <phorensic> _Vi_: very true indeed
[23:24] <phorensic> _Vi_: pretty ridiculous how most program installes require reboots in windows
[23:24] <blue112> Actually I have only the official ones.
[23:24] <mchan> hi
[23:24] <phorensic> !hi mchan
[23:24] <polishpaul> how is a "windows manager" different from a "desktop"? (http://xwinman.org/)
[23:24] <_Vi_> phorensic: yeah no doubt
[23:24] <Sanketsu> In gedit on my desktop running Ubuntu Intrepid, it's telling me that pluralized words like "words" or "fingers" are misspelled, where as "word" and "finger" is not.  Is there some way to get an updated dictionary for it?
[23:25] <Jordan_U> unop, I guess it's just the shell that won't allow it ( echo "foobar" > foo will fail )
[23:25] <blue112> ._.
[23:25] <Jordan_U> unop, But the shell will allow redirection to a read only file as root
[23:25] <mitul> hello all ubuntians
[23:25] <mchan> does anyone know if X forwarding works when bridging with SSH? e.g., i log into a login server and then log into a terminal. will i be able to X forward from the terminal to the login server then to my machine?
[23:25] <phorensic> polishpaul: It's different terminology, A desktop is more than just a window manager, it is also other things. Linux creates modular programs so you have options and you can customize easier, etc. For your purposes though you can probably think of them as the same
[23:26] <mitul> hey anyone kno if digsby made a linux version
[23:26] <veritos> I'm on 64-bit and want to install ubuntu-restricted-extras. However, I don't want *any* sun-java6-* packages, just the OpenJDK ones. How would I pull this off?
[23:26] <Titan8990> polishpaul: desktops require a window manager, for example, gnome uses metacity window manager
[23:26] <blue112> So ? Can't anyone help me ?
[23:26] <calliope> Jordan_U: OK so Im running the sudo apt-get dist-upgrade is this going to change the feisty entries to gutsy or should I do that manually
[23:27] <polishpaul> phorensic, great answer, ty... how about OpenBox? is that just another Windows, minus the environment?
[23:27] <pike_> polishpaul: ps -A  youll see a window manager running and then gnome-session and other gnome apps that give you a gnome panel (toolbar) etc. you could if you wanted kill the WM and run the fluxbox WM instead and all would be fine
[23:27] <unop> Jordan_U, yea, root can write to any file.  that wasn't it tho .. if a file owned by root is placed in your directory and all write permissions were taken off .. you can still write to the file.
[23:27] <calliope> hm it just ended by updating to feisty packages
[23:27] <Jordan_U> calliope, You do that manually
[23:27] <phorensic> polishpaul: Im not familiar with openbox
[23:27] <calliope> ill do that manually now and then I suppose I run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade again and that would be the end of it
[23:28] <phorensic> calliope: dont forget the sudo apt-get update after you add the repository
[23:28] <Jordan_U> calliope, Yes, you may run into some general upgrade problems of course
[23:28] <polishpaul> hmm, ok, so how about this - is there a sturctured approach to having multiple Windows Managers on one install? How can i easily switch/manage them to test them out?
[23:28] <blue112> I need some help. Google says that "dselect" can help me... But when I try to run it, it says that I have to install it with "sudo apt-get install dselect"... What can I do ?
[23:28] <phorensic> polishpaul: ubuntu does that for you, using sessions.
[23:29] <redvamp128> blue112:  unsure if would work though-- but you could try installing it through the repository..
[23:29] <pike_> blue112: that sucks :) you can grab the deb from package.ubuntu.com i think
[23:29] <phorensic> polishpaul: you select which manager you want to use before you log in. o9or it uses the default)
[23:29] <redvamp128> if dselect is what you need
[23:29] <blue112> I'll try with the .deb.
[23:29] <redvamp128> Ubuntu -- Ubuntu Packages Search <http://packages.ubuntu.com/>
[23:29] <redvamp128> blue112:  Ubuntu -- Ubuntu Packages Search <http://packages.ubuntu.com/>
[23:29] <blue112> I know this site :)
[23:30] <redvamp128> though  I think if apt is locked up -- a deb may not install -- package manger busy error
[23:30] <blue112> dpkg seams to works :)
[23:30] <mfdavid> hi all. How can I blacklist a sound modulo, so the system does not load/use it? Its a sound card... its killing me!
[23:30] <unop> polishpaul, you can only have one window manager running on a display at one time. you can have multiple displays running different window managers tho.
[23:31] <messeup> i want to install ubuntu on my eee. it got xandros "which sucks imo" however i do not have a usb pen. is it possible to install it from a usb disk ? got a 300GB mybook usb disk,
[23:31] <Shakedown> Anybody got suggestions for enabling direct rendering for 3D on my ATI card? I've tried all the xorg.conf suggestions I can find.
[23:31] <phorensic> unop: Unless you virtualize one inside the other :-p
[23:31] <bukowski> i have a laptop with an atheros AR5007 wifi card. wich package i need to install for it to work?
[23:31] <unop> phorensic, that still constitutes multiple displays
[23:31] <blue112> "/usr/lib/dpkg/methods/apt/update: line 42:  9943 Erreur du bus           $APTGET $OPTS "$APT_OPT0" "$APT_OPT1" update"
[23:31] <blue112> :/
[23:32] <pike_> Shakedown: might ask in #radeonhd or #radeon
[23:32] <polishpaul> So how would i go about changing the window manager? Drop to shell, then run startx with another config or something? <--- confused
[23:32] <Shakedown> Ah, thank you
[23:32] <pike_> polishpaul: alot of wms have a --replace switch so in term youd do  windowmanager --replace   or just kill one and launch the other
[23:32] <phorensic> polishpaul: look for the sessions button upon login, select the manager you wish to log in to (assuming it is installed)
[23:33] <mchan> does anyone know if X forwarding works while SSH chaining? e.g., i log into a login server and then log into a terminal. will i be able to X forward from the terminal to the login server then to my machine?
[23:33] <woo> can anyone help with permissions using a live disk and an IQ00 user?
[23:33] <Titan8990> polishpaul: if it does not have a graphical login, you will have to do some configuring to get it to go
[23:33] <Jordan_U> polishpaul, You can usually switch to a different window manger ( note, not desktop environment ) by running "window-manager-name --replace"
[23:33] <Titan8990> polishpaul: if you are looking to "switch" to a different WM, as in use it all the time instead of another
[23:33] <pike_> mchan: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/excerpt/ssh_11/index3.html
[23:34] <unop> polishpaul, yea, that's the idea .. but see xinit(1) instead ..  something like.   xinit /path/to/xinitrc -- /path/to/X :2  # to start an x session on display 2
[23:34] <blue112> Problem fixed, the solution was to move the two bin files in /var/cache/apt/ into a temp directory. Thanks for help :)
[23:34] <Kidfork> I would like to make a playable DVD that i can play on my home DVD player, i currently have a .avi file, now how would i go about doing this?
[23:34] <mchan> pike_: thanks
[23:34] <nightrid3r> Kidfork: devede
[23:35] <pike_> Kidfork: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DVDAuthoring
[23:35] <kouya> how  do i update a program ? ive seen something like sudo apt-get update <package> ?   or do i have to uninstall > install newer version of the program?
[23:35]  * macman leaves to test out airoscript
[23:35] <LinuxJunke> not sure what i need for the option field in x
[23:35] <Sanketsu> In gedit on my desktop running Ubuntu Intrepid, it's telling me that pluralized words like "words" or "fingers" are misspelled, where as "word" and "finger" is not.  Is there some way to get an updated dictionary for it?
[23:36] <blue112> See you :)
[23:36] <pike_> kouya: typically youd just sudo apt-get install gedit  then it would check to make sure its up to date if already installed
[23:36] <LinuxJunke> identifier what do you put into that field in x for dektop resoulution smaller im trying 1024x768 but i need an identifier what do i use???
[23:36] <hendrixski> HELP. my server can't seam to launch a process... so I tried "sudo shutdown -r now" and it didn't work.  now when I run top it has a few "Shutdown<defunct>" instances ... and I can't kill their pid's  :-(   what do I do?
[23:37] <woo> can anyone help with permissions t copy my files from one machine to a backup drive, wile in a livedisk enviroment
[23:37] <Jordan_U> hendrixski, Are you administering it remotely?
[23:37] <hendrixski> Jordan_U, yes.  Through ssh
[23:37] <pike_> woo: gksudo nautilus
[23:37] <martin___> HI all, anyone who can help me with a RAID issue?
[23:37] <phorensic> pike_: i think you can also use synaptic, aptitude to select packages for upgrade
[23:37] <hendrixski> when I log out and wait a while still the same situation when I log back in
[23:37] <martin___> I created a linux software RAID5 with 4 1TB disks, chunk size 128K and ext3 filesystem on it
[23:37] <polishpaul> ok, more comin' atcha - i want to try a new distro, install it on my laptop (lenovo t61 centrino duo 2gb ram) - I want it to be as efficient as possible, yet a work horse. I'm checking out "CrunchBang Linux" - any other recommendation?
[23:37] <pike_> woo: that doesnt address the root permissions issue but launches a file manager that has root permissions
[23:38] <martin___> Now the issue is I have really reasonalbe read speeds but unacceptable slow write speeds: Writing is only done at 2,8MB/s
[23:38] <pike_> phorensic: gui = bad :)
[23:38] <woo> pike cool
[23:38] <woo> Would my desktop and files on it all be in one folder?
[23:38] <hendrixski> polishpaul, there's a home-brewed distro in Poland. ... no?   Try that.  Support the ojscysna
[23:38] <woo> pike - Would my desktop and files on it all be in one folder?
[23:38] <pike_> woo: so what do you want to do now?
[23:38] <phorensic> pike_: haah true.. i think you can upgrade individual packages with sudo apt-get upgrade packagename
[23:39] <polishpaul> hendrixski, hehe i'll check it out! woot!! :D
[23:39] <LinuxJunke> pike can i give you a call man?? lol
[23:39] <polishpaul> I see Ubuntulite...hmm
[23:39] <woo> I'm trying to recover my files I'll then reinstall, I many months ago installed something and it screwed p my windows manager
[23:40] <woo> I have forgotten as much as I learned in not using it
[23:40] <adam__> Question: does anyone know of a tool that can take a "snapshot" of your system that you can turn into an install cd? I tried remastersys but it wasn't what I needed
[23:40] <hendrixski> soo... Anybody help me reboot my server remotely?  sudo shutdown -r now    doesn't work. :-(
[23:40] <pike_> woo: so what you want is to backup /home since that has all of your preferences and config and saved media and stuff?
[23:40] <kouya> can anyone explain how i install moblock?
[23:40] <Izinucs> adam_: partimage will mirror your partitions and allow you to "restore" them to another or the same drive
[23:41] <Titan8990> adam__: rsync makes snapshots but I doubt you can make an install disk out of it
[23:41] <woo> pike - i think so
[23:41] <adam__> hmm
[23:41] <pike_> woo: youre reinstalling ubuntu after this?
[23:41] <Titan8990> adam__: and well as parted and dd
[23:41] <adam__> Izinucs, Titan8990 : thanks, ill try those out
[23:41] <woo> pike - yes or maybe another distro more suited to ham radio
[23:42] <Izinucs> I'm trying to get Evolution to send an email via gmail.  I setup Imap on gmail and receive the headers and messages just fine.. I just can't get anything to send.. any suggestions?
[23:42] <martin___> none who can tell me why I have such slow write speeds on my RAID5?
[23:42] <Izinucs> woo. what are you looking for for ham stuff.?
[23:42] <Titan8990> adam__: partimage that was mentioned by Izinucs it is a GUI for parted
[23:42] <_martin___> Hi. On Hardy (latest LTS?) I typically tunnel vnc over ssh with ssh host -L5900:theremotehost:5905 ...then I run 'vncviewer localhost' everything works if I am not using gnome. When I use gnome, the ssh works, but when I use vncviewer it seems to connect but does not bring up any windows.
[23:42] <Titan8990> martin___: RAID is slower than single disk....
[23:43] <Titan8990> martin___: what type of RAID and how slow?
[23:43] <adam__> Titan8990: looking at partimage now, looks like what I might need, thanks =)
[23:43] <phorensic> Izinucs: Perhaps your gmail settings are not allowing
[23:43] <Izinucs> Titan8990: is it? I thought is was it's own program.. there's a server and client package.. it's also available on the live "rescue cd"
[23:43] <martin___> titan: I understand but 2,8MB/s is far too slow right? Even for RAID5
[23:43] <woo> all sorts, some packet apps, some sstv, most of teh progies i'm used to are unfortunatly windows onlys and a pain under wine but we shall see.
[23:43] <Izinucs> phorensic: works in thunderbird just not Evo
[23:43] <martin___> Titan8990: It's a linux software raid mdadm
[23:44] <martin___> Titan8990: with 4x1TB
[23:44] <pike_> woo: ok cool so basically youll boot livecd then plug in a usb pendrive that should automount.  then youll gksudo nautilus in a terminal to open a root file manager and copy/paste anything in /media/sda2 to /media/usb where sda2 is your current harddrive.  hopefully the livecd automounts the hard drive but if not just sudo fdisk -l to find your partitions and then sudo mkdir /media/temp then sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/tmp where sda1
[23:44] <Titan8990> martin___: That would be why, your CPU has to do ALL the work for the RAID
[23:44] <phorensic> Izinucs: thunderbird is way cooler than evo anyway.. hmm maybe wrong port selected, its gotta be a setting somewhere.. require encryption???
[23:44] <pike_> woo: typically id create a tar file of home that i could untar elsewhere
[23:44] <Izinucs> woo.  in synaptic package manager there is a whole section on ham stuff.. another distro probably won't have as much "out of the box" selection.. please use my nick in replys so I can see that you are talking to me.. enter the first few characters and hit tab
[23:44] <Titan8990> martin___: You should consider a real RAID controller if you want to get good performance out of RAID
[23:44] <martin___> Titan8990: well the mdraid process is only using 10% of the CPU
[23:45] <Titan8990> Izinucs: I just checked, you are right, I was thinking of qtparted
[23:45] <woo> pike - i'm trying it now on the ther laptop, I have 3 in front of me at the moment lol
[23:45] <Izinucs> phorensic: no encryption. but signing yes.. openpgp.. doesn't seem to have an option for entering a port number though..like thunderbird.
[23:45] <pike_> woo: id second using ubuntu for ham but there are som ham specific distros at distrowatch
[23:46] <phorensic> Izinucs: I recall there being a gmail support on how to configure for various clients.. I'd look at that
[23:46] <Titan8990> martin___: you will still never see good performance from a softRAID5, typically you would only do a RAID1 or RAID0 with softRAID
[23:46] <phorensic> Izinucs: any reason to keep evolution?
[23:46] <Titan8990> martin___: I personally wouldn't even do that
[23:46] <Izinucs> pike_: what makes them ham specific?  just forks with different splash screens?
[23:46] <martin___> Titan8990: Ok, so 2,8MB/s is normal, even for software raid?
[23:46] <cbwcjw> Izinucs: http://mail.google.com/support/?ctx=gmail&hl=en&labs=1
[23:47] <mfdavid> yey! my sound works now =)
[23:47] <ratpoison> hello! ubuntu 8.10 usr. I have port forwarding issues. How can I be sure that it's the router that is to blame and not the OS?
[23:47] <Titan8990> martin___: I have not personally tested it, so I couldn't tell you if those particular numbers are off but I can tell you that slow is normal...
[23:47] <pike_> Izinucs: radio stuff preloaded i guess.. like 'security' and pentesting distros
[23:47] <phorensic> mfdavid: what was it? Just needed to blacklist the onboard card???
[23:47] <Izinucs> phorensic: did look at it.. that's how I got thunderbird working.. and mutt.. but evo has calendar support etc. which I use in business.. I've been looking at OBM which is in the repos.. intranet web based.. http://obm.org/doku.php
[23:48] <woo> pike - (and pho...) ubuntu it is then. there was knoppix as I can't boot it propally i will give it a miss.
[23:48] <Izinucs> pike_: pretty lame for a fork.. the packages are too easy to install. most anyway..
[23:48] <mfdavid> phorensic: yes. just put on the blacklist and now its working fine. Anyway, i think its a bug... but at least its working now.
[23:48] <Jordan_U> ratpoison, what problem are you having specifically?
[23:48] <phorensic> Izinucs: Is there no calander addon for thunderbird? And also isn't that what songbird does too?
[23:48] <phorensic> mfdavid: Glad you got it to work
[23:49] <mfdavid> phorensic: :) thanks for ur help.
[23:49] <Jack_Sparrow> phorensic sunbird?
[23:49] <laeg-fail> i'm reinstalling my root partition and i have the root partition set to mount point: / - can someone just confirm that it's necessary for me to set my old almost full /home dir partition's mount point to /home and that doing so won't delete it or create a second home folder?
[23:49] <ratpoison> Jordan_U: My ports appear "closed" for incoming traffic, even though I have disabled the firewall (completely temporarily) and I have configured the router
[23:49] <Titan8990> Izinucs: http://tuxicity.wordpress.com/2007/03/08/howto-set-up-gmail-in-evolution-gnomes-mail-client-and-organizer/
[23:49] <Izinucs> phorensic: yes.. songbird does work.. ascetically it's not great.. I actually like kmail/address/calendar etc.. but it hasn't been the stablest..
[23:50] <phorensic> http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/sunbird/ Jack_Sparrow
[23:50] <Titan8990> ratpoison: closed means there is no daemon listening on the port, "filtered" or "stealthed" typically means its being blocked by a firewall
[23:50] <Jordan_U> ratpoison, Could it be your ISP ?
[23:50] <unop> phobos_, songbird is not sunbird :)
[23:50] <ratpoison> Jordan_U: no, I specifically asked them and they said they're not blocking
[23:51] <pike_> ratpoison: add a line like Port 1234 in sshd_config and restart ssh. see if you can telnet to that port then or something
[23:51] <phorensic> unop: ahha yah thats what i meant to type
[23:52] <phorensic> unop: But i am phrensic not phobos :-p now were even
[23:52] <omnomnOMINOUS> Hi all! I have this problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1051267. How can I tell whether iwlagn is the right wireless driver for me?
[23:52] <Izinucs> Titan8990: forgot to mention.. I have pop access working just fine. just not on the imap side.. :( looking at the link though for tips and hints.. thanks.
[23:52] <LinuxJunke> anyone still helping me with this isssue in here
[23:52] <phorensic> unop: phorensic**
[23:52] <phorensic> LinuxJunke: Still on that display issue?
[23:52] <unop> phorensic, bah .. anyway.  http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/
[23:52] <LinuxJunke> yes sir
[23:53] <phorensic> LinuxJunke: Did you try reinstalling the restricted drivers?
[23:53] <LinuxJunke> everything loads fine just you cannot see the the bottom of the desktop and the top no toolbars threshold is too damn big
[23:53] <LinuxJunke> yes tried reinstalling the restricted drivers correct
[23:53] <phorensic> LinuxJunke: As far as I remember you changed graphics cards then your display took a dive?
[23:53] <Izinucs> Titan8990: the link helped.. encryption was the key.. ssl for outbound smtp stuff and tls for inbound stuff.  Thanks.
[23:53] <LinuxJunke> yes
[23:54] <Titan8990> izmaelis: excellent
[23:54] <ratpoison> Titan8990:  nmap  <IP_ADDRESS> -p 6891 -PN tells me my port is "closed"
[23:54] <laeg-fail> i'm reinstalling my root partition and i have the root partition set to mount point: / - can someone just confirm that it's necessary for me to set my old almost full /home dir partition's mount point to /home and that doing so won't delete it or create a second home folder?
[23:54] <phorensic> LinuxJunke: Ok yes this is where you have to look at the specs of your Display, and edit the settings in sudo vidia-settings to match those of your display.
[23:54] <estudiante> Dumb question, please don't tell me RTFM: How to make a wget download to another directory without cd to ti?
[23:55] <fuxxy> woot, got ubuntu back.
[23:55] <Titan8990> ratpoison: you are scanning your WAN IP, try your machines local address
[23:55] <phorensic> LinuxJunke: Or mayhe your tv has an option to adjust the aspect ratio??
[23:55] <LinuxJunke> negative 16:9 dosent work
[23:55] <fuxxy> estudiante, if you prefix your question with "please don't tell me to RTFM", chances are you are going to get exactly that response.
[23:55] <LinuxJunke> 32 inch crt television
[23:55] <Titan8990> ratpoison: also, you usually need to disable the security features of the router....
[23:55] <ratpoison> Titan8990: I know, shouldn't I do that if I want to check if I'm remotely accessible?
[23:55] <estudiante> fuxxy: and so?
[23:55] <fuxxy> estudiante, especially when a 'wget --help' will tell you.
[23:55] <LinuxJunke> max res is 1024x768
[23:56] <LinuxJunke> gforce fx5500 works flawlessly
[23:56] <Titan8990> ratpoison: yes but have you already established that it is local network accessible?
[23:56] <Titan8990> ratpoison: that always comes first
[23:56] <Felix_>  /server localhost
[23:56] <phorensic> LinuxJunke: It's hard for me to help with display issues when Im not there to help you test
[23:56] <ratpoison> Titan8990: true... retried with <IP_ADDRESS> and it STILL says it's closed
[23:57] <fuxxy> estudiante, 'wget -P /some/directory http://url.org/filename.php'
[23:57] <laeg-fail> i'm reinstalling my root partition and i have the root partition set to mount point: / - can someone just confirm that it's necessary for me to set my old almost full /home partition's mount point to /home and that doing so won't delete it or create a second home folder?
[23:57] <Titan8990> ratpoison: the daemon isn't listening then....
[23:57] <estudiante> fuxxy: It will, but will also flow me out with a lot of info, I'd like to learn about naturally,but, seeing that there's almot 1 at night here I just preferred to ask
[23:57] <mrglinux> in Mozilla Firefox 3.0.5  on ubuntu 8.10 when i want save a page and create folder after my folder create firfox doesn't open that folder and if i press save my page save in current folder not new folder... ago was not this ..  is it a bug ?
[23:57] <pike_> LinuxJunke: good thing im on arch atm http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=42821
[23:57] <Titan8990> ratpoison: sudo /etc/init.d/sshd start
[23:57] <fuxxy> estudiante, well, I just gave your answer.
[23:58] <Titan8990> ratpoison: or: sudo /etc/init.d/sshd restart
[23:58] <Titan8990> ratpoison: if you have changed a config file
[23:58] <estudiante> fuxxy: Didn't want to upset or irritate, thank you very much.
[23:58] <phorensic> LinuxJunke: The modes are probably not all being read by new card and thus you need to input them manually in xorg
[23:58] <exodus_ms> wget -mk -w 20 -np webPage.html /path/to/dir/
[23:58] <ratpoison> Titan8990: yes I got that, wait
[23:58] <phorensic> LinuxJunke: But I can't help too much with that from here
[23:59] <pike_> LinuxJunke: one channel to try might be #mythtv-users im sure they have alot of exp with setting up tvout
[23:59] <phorensic> LinuxJunke: Remeber you will most likely have to restart your x session in order for the changes to appear
[23:59] <phorensic> pike_: LinuxJunke: That is a very good idea


[11:08] <JonathanD> Morning.
[11:44] <waltman> yup.
[12:45] <rmg511> Morning
[16:56] <jjmiv> afternoon
[17:19] <jedijf> Codename:	jaunty
[17:19] <jedijf> fail
[17:19] <jedijf> jedijf@jedijf-CQ60:~$ lsb_release -c
[17:19] <jedijf> Codename:	raring
[17:20] <jjmiv> i haven't tried raring yet
[17:23] <jedijf> i have no workspaces...well 1
[17:24] <jedijf> ok that was easy
[17:37] <rmg511> maybe next weekend I'll start the upgrade process
[17:47] <jjmiv> do you guys use unity or something else?
[17:51] <rmg511> xfce
[17:51] <jjmiv> yeah, that's what i've used.  it was on an older laptop so unity was a bit slow
[17:51] <rmg511> Mint on one old laptop
[17:56] <jjmiv> rmg511: do you primarily use a laptop or desktop?
[18:01] <rmg511> I don't own a desktop
[18:01] <rmg511> only laptops
[18:07] <jjmiv> ok
[18:07] <jjmiv> i only have a desktop
[18:22] <rmg511> I only have six laptops :-D
[18:22] <jjmiv> haha
[20:11]  * waltman waves from mj and pleia2's wedding
[20:31] <waltman> k, they're all married now


[08:44] <apw> cjwatson, just been trying to update my rocketfuel setup, and it seems that 'Installing recipe z3c.recipe.filetemplate.' is failing, that appears to not be a thing in my lp-source-dependencies
[08:44] <apw> Error: Picked: z3c.recipe.filetemplate = 2.2.0
[08:51] <apw> i _think_ it trying to remove somehting that is not installed
[10:10] <cjwatson> apw: That sounds like you've updated lp-source-dependencies but not the Launchpad trunk itself
[10:11] <cjwatson> apw: (a while back I removed Launchpad's use of z3c.recipe.filetemplate, and a short while after that I removed it from lp-source-dependencies)
[10:11] <apw> unless the trunk has moved i think it is up to date
[10:11] <apw> but i am rebuilding the whole thing now
[10:11] <cjwatson> hasn't moved
[10:11] <cjwatson> but you might just have needed to make clean or similar
[16:37] <CarlFK> carl@ndv:~$ rdate ntp.ubuntu.com
[16:37] <CarlFK> rdate: Could not connect socket: Connection timed out
[16:37] <CarlFK> carl@ndv:~$ ping ntp.ubuntu.com
[16:37] <CarlFK> PING ntp.ubuntu.com (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[16:37] <CarlFK> 64 bytes from alphyn.canonical.com (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_req=1 ttl=52 time=12.0 ms
[16:37] <CarlFK> whos problem is this?
[16:39] <wxl> doesn't seem to me that port 37 is open
[16:46] <CarlFK> wxl: so open it :p
[16:47] <wxl> CarlFK: i doubt, from a security standpoint, there's necessarily an interest in opening more ports, but if you want to discuss with the right people, head over to #canonical-sysadmin
[16:50] <CarlFK> wxl: I was fishing for that #chan ... I couldn't remember it.  thanks