[04:36] <ssdd65> thanks...
[04:36] <DewDude> oops
[04:36] <DewDude> i wonder if i'm still connected
[04:36] <Madpilot> skaja: www.google.com
[04:36] <IceDC571> DewDude, connected to what?
[04:36] <DewDude> heh
[04:36] <DewDude> my switch
[04:37] <brenner> Madpilot: you're so full of knowledge *looks up in awe*
[04:37] <DewDude> it's got a bad power plug
[04:37] <skaja> i want the info for ubuntu
[04:37] <DewDude> i bumped it with my foot and it lost power
[04:37] <whyameye> HrdwrBoB, so I found the drive as sda. But I can't mount it right? Because it isn't formatted yet...
[04:37] <IceDC571> DewDude, im guessing linux is far from being able to decode 96/24 flac files? i mean it can but is alsa capable of such an output?
[04:37] <DewDude> but...how do you rip vinyl? in real-time...with a decent card
[04:37] <DewDude> ...i don't know
[04:37] <Madpilot> brenner: I try, I try... ;) but seriously, if you know the model name/number of something, google is your best bet..
[04:37] <DewDude> my software for restoration is Windows only
[04:37] <DewDude> that's why i have to have a windows machine
[04:38] <sinasilver4> Anyone know where I could get printer drivers for a HP Deskjet 842C? :P
[04:38] <skaja> i found the way to set up my modem with debian but ubuntu is missing the file i need
[04:38] <brenner> Madpilot: i know...personally i wouldn't have bothered with the www. and the .com :)
[04:38] <IceDC571> DewDude, what software and drives do you use to rip your stuff with?
[04:38] <DewDude> now now
[04:38] <DewDude> if i told everyone...i'd not have a shot at going pro
[04:39] <brenner> let's all shake fists at him
[04:39] <nikole> didja try cups for printer drivers? http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-DeskJet_842C
[04:39] <DewDude> i did manage to get remastering CD credits on an actual CD
[04:39] <DonL> sinasilver4, did you google it?
[04:39] <IceDC571> i see
[04:39] <IceDC571> would you ever use apple?
[04:39] <zenwhen> i do
[04:39] <DewDude> IceDC571, me...use apple?
[04:39] <ssdd65> thanks again...
[04:39] <sinasilver4> I've never heard of it before.. Thank you.
[04:39] <DewDude> for what?
[04:39] <IceDC571> DewDude, yep.. for music
[04:39] <DewDude> no
[04:40] <DewDude> lack of 96/24
[04:40] <DewDude> OSX might
[04:40] <DonL> sinasilver4, were the drivers not already there?
[04:40] <brenner> skaja: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//DialupModemHowto
[04:40] <DewDude> but..the mac software is EXPENSIVE
[04:40] <vices> where would I go to look for a redirect service for a webpage?
[04:40] <DewDude> hardware wise...i'm on a mac right now ;)
[04:41] <DewDude> vices: www.dyndns.org\
[04:41] <DonL> DewDude, which one?
[04:41] <Nalioth> DewDude: fink and darwinports
[04:41] <vices> DewDude: thanks
[04:41] <DaSkreech> brenner: Ah Fixed it :)
[04:41] <DewDude> which what? which hardware
[04:41] <DaSkreech> brenner: Removed ubuntu-desktop
[04:41] <DewDude> iMac G3 DV
[04:41] <IceDC571> DewDude, im getting an iMac soon... but i love music so much so i was wondering if its possible to rip flac files on OSX
[04:41] <DonL> Ok
[04:41] <DewDude> i'm sure it is
[04:41] <frank23> what are the chances that my alsa driver supports 5.1? I know my hardware does
[04:41] <DewDude> i know you can do it in linux
[04:41] <Nalioth> IceDC571: yes, it is possible
[04:42] <brenner> DaSkreech: i don't get you....but glad to hear it's fixed. :)
[04:42] <IceDC571> franks23, i'd say theres a 75% chance it would support it
[04:42] <DaSkreech> brenner: Ubuntu-desktop forced the package to reinstall :)
[04:42] <skaja> i have did that step i type in sudo pon and nothing happends
[04:42] <morale> has anyone had success getting the ATI drivers installed on ubuntu on an amd64 system?
[04:42] <brenner> DaSkreech: ah, ok.
[04:42] <brenner> *chuckle*
[04:42] <DaSkreech> brenner: So it's all good now :)
[04:42] <IceDC571> Nalioth, what software would i use to listen to my flacs? or might there be an itunes plugin?
[04:43] <IceDC571> ack.. forget itunes its not gapless
[04:43] <brenner> morale: skreet's trying to :)
[04:43] <morale> ah.. is he around right now?
[04:43] <IceDC571> DewDude, whats your lossy format of choice?
[04:43] <brenner> skaja: you set up your isp stuff all correctly?
[04:44] <DewDude> well, depends on my requirements
[04:44] <DonL> Very cool. Since Macs are now using unix, there's devinitely an overlapping of interests. Shows in places like this. I think it's healthy
[04:44] <brenner> morale: half-joking....he's having problems
[04:44] <kevogod> Vorbis man.
[04:44] <brenner> skreet: ping
[04:44] <whyameye> what's the command to format a drive in Linux to ext3
[04:44] <DewDude> if i want to archive something in lossy..i go musepack
[04:44] <JMeeter> http://forums.neverside.com/post/770108/
[04:44] <morale> brenner, yeah.. he may be on the same track as me though.. im trying to find out why my ld.so linker is not following symbolic links correctly.
[04:44] <IceDC571> what about on an ipod?
[04:44] <skaja> can some one hell me where the S30setserial file is?
[04:44] <brenner> morale: exact same problem
[04:45] <DaSkreech> Thanks
[04:45] <brenner> morale: pci-e card?
[04:45] <DewDude> never infer i'd own that POS
[04:45] <morale> hmm.. since it is all the same partition.. maybe i should try hard links..
[04:45] <morale> brenner, yeah it is..
[04:45] <DewDude> and never say ipod when you mean "portable media player"
[04:45] <morale> asus x300 or something
[04:45] <Nalioth> IceDC571: fink.sourceforge.net and darwinports.opendarwin.org are gonna be really helpful to you
[04:45] <brenner> morale: these the official ati drivers?
[04:45] <kevogod> Musepack may have been better than Vorbis at one time, but that certainly is not true now.
[04:45] <morale> brenner, yes..
[04:45] <DewDude> no
[04:45] <IceDC571> hahaha. okk..
[04:45] <DewDude> musepack is better than vorbis
[04:45] <morale> ati-driver-installer-8.16.20-x86_64.run
[04:45] <brenner> morale: this is uncanny. :)
[04:45] <DewDude> vorbis is good, yes
[04:45] <DewDude> however
[04:46] <DewDude> musepack does a nicer job
[04:46] <brenner> morale: i sent him this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=58104&highlight=ati+howto
[04:46] <brenner> morale: he's since nicked off
[04:46] <morale> ah.
[04:46] <DewDude> i've been using ogg a lot for transcoding for the iRiver
[04:46] <DewDude> cuz it now somewhat plays ogg
[04:46] <morale> i'll have a lookie see at that, i have been googling all night
[04:46] <brenner> morale: he reminisced about how much better nvidia cards were
[04:46] <vices> DewDude: anticipating becoming an experienced user, do I want my own dns, or a custom provided dns?
[04:46] <brenner> then he's been quiet for a while
[04:46] <IceDC571> i got an ipod a year back.. since then its been sitting in the dust, i dont know what to get now
[04:46] <morale> yeah..
[04:46] <IceDC571> for a portable media player
[04:47] <HrdwrBoB> vices: you don't want your own DNS
[04:47] <nikole> whyameye -->    'tune2fs'    for ext2 to ext3
[04:47] <skaja> i have done this http://www.actiontec.com/support/modems/cwifaq.html#installlinux and this https://wiki.ubuntu.com//DialupModemHowto
[04:47] <Nalioth> good thing, too
[04:47] <IceDC571> ive been looking at the iriver and creative
[04:47] <kevogod> http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?s=7e2d74923a536b1f86816260c137d056&showtopic=36465&st=0
[04:47] <reiki> IceDC571: you can use an iPod as a flash drive. Don't let it go COMPLETELY to waste :)
[04:47] <morale> i like nvidia, but i wasn't going to pay an extra 100$ for something decent with dvi from my wholesaler.
[04:47] <geeksauce> second problem resolved, lol
[04:47] <brenner> morale: might be worth pinging him....you can work together. :)
[04:47] <frank23> IceDC571: yeah... I checked and the via82xx does support 5.1 but I'm way too lazy to try and set this up properly!
[04:47] <brenner> morale: gtg, good luck
[04:47] <morale> brenner, yeah already did that :) he seems to be away.
[04:47] <IceDC571> frank23, have you tried just booting up with a livecd to see if it works?
[04:48] <brenner> morale: well, search for other forum topics maybe.....mailing list is there as well
[04:48] <DewDude> ok....now my CDROM isn't mounting
[04:48] <brenner> later
[04:48] <frank23> Well I don't even have speakers right now so it will have to wait
[04:48] <skaja> is there a diffrent place i can look
[04:48] <Agrajag> so hey, I've been using an athlon xp 2000+ for a while now, and I just got a 3000+. Is it worth it at this point to install the 64-bit version of ubuntu or are there enough bugs that I should stick with the 32-bit one?
[04:48] <frank23> IceDC571: would kaffeine be able to output 5.1 from a DVD, do you think?
[04:49] <IceDC571> frank23, i have no idea.. im not a kde user
[04:49] <whyameye> if I want to find a certain word in the man pages, how would I do it?
[04:49] <geeksauce> i just need to get rythymbox to work so i can use my ipod with it.  i tried re-installing gstreamer, but still no luck
[04:49] <Agrajag> whyameye: with the man page open, hit / and the word you're looking for, then enter
[04:50] <Nalioth> Agrajag: no bugs, just more usability with the 32bit arch(es)
[04:50] <Agrajag> unless you're looking for the word in multiple pages, in which case apropos might be better
[04:50] <Agrajag> Nalioth: oh ok, probably stick to 32 then
[04:50] <nikole> whyameye: after / just his 'n' or next word
[04:50] <DonL> Agrajag, probably just as well
[04:50] <kevogod> Is Ubuntu going to support Windows key combinations (out of the box) in the future?
[04:51] <geeksauce> what else should i try to get rythymbox to work?
[04:51] <DewDude> fucking hell
[04:51] <Nalioth> kevogod: it already supports some windows=key=combos
[04:51] <DonL> kevogod, the best combinations problably already exist
[04:51] <kevogod> Nalioth: In Hoary?
[04:51] <Nalioth> DewDude: please, there are women and children present
[04:51] <DewDude> sorry
[04:51] <DewDude> i typed before i thought
[04:51] <Nalioth> kevogod: yes, i use windows combos alla time
[04:52] <Nalioth> kevogod: start kubuntu and hit the "windows key"
[04:52] <kevogod> I am using Ubuntu
[04:52] <kevogod> not KDE Ubuntu
[04:52] <dibbon> I was installing mplayer with GUI and I got Error: X11 support required for GUI compilation
[04:52] <kevogod> Windows key does nothing for me.
[04:52] <rendi> guy's how to change my cursos
[04:53] <Nalioth> kevogod: well let me inform you the "windows key" makes the "K"menu pop right up
[04:53] <DonL> kevogod, nor me. Wait a minute, I don't have a windows key
[04:53] <Nalioth> dibbon: install "xlibs-dev"
[04:53] <dibbon> ty
[04:53] <frank23> dibbon: why not install mplayer from synaptic/
[04:53] <frank23> ?
[04:53] <rendi> any one ?
[04:53] <kevogod> Granted, Windows + F* keys work, but those aren't very convenient.
[04:53] <bob2> I don't think swearing in here has anything to do with "women and children" being present
[04:54] <bob2> kevogod: file a wishlist bug asking for it
[04:54] <whyameye> what's the best command to use to copy the entire contents of a drive, including hidden/system files etc.?
[04:54] <nightswim> rsync
[04:54] <Madpilot> bob2: no, these days they know all the words too...;)
[04:54] <nikole> sata still not detected... maddening.  lspci shows 'unknown device'
[04:54] <bob2> some americans have odd views
[04:54] <bob2> whyameye: cp -a, or tar, or rsync
[04:54] <Nalioth> frank23: i'll say that a recompiled mplayer is a lot nicer (the default one doesnt have hardly anthing compiled into it, due to ubuntu being 'by default' patent free)
[04:55] <bob2> you need to be more specific about what you're doing
[04:55] <bob2> mplayer in multiverse includes all sorts of nasty things
[04:55] <Nalioth> kevogod: windows + e, winkey + f, etc work
[04:55] <geeksauce> when i try to import a folder into my library, it says there is no plugin installed to support an mp3 file.  what plugin do i need to install?
[04:55] <Nalioth> kevogod: so most of the win key combos function
[04:55] <Madpilot> !tell geeksauce about mp3
[04:55] <bob2> geeksauce: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats (linked from the FAQ)
[04:56] <DonL> I have a system that works so well. Must admit that most stuff I got working long enough ago that I forget how I did it
[04:56] <kevogod> Nalioth: Although that is in KDE.
[04:56] <DewDude> how is mp3 a restricted format...is it because Fraunhoffer wants royalties?
[04:56] <morale> look at that, i know exactly what is wrong.. i need a 64-bit gcc compiler so i can build these 64-bit libraries
[04:56] <frank23> Nalioth: well I have no idea what I'm missing then
[04:56] <nikole> installing ubuntu - tried hoary/breezy - unknown controller - cannot find SATA drive
[04:56] <Nalioth> frank23: dibbon: i recompiled my own mplayer (didgnt get it from the repos)
[04:56] <belal122> i hate mplayer... and xine.
[04:56] <geeksauce> thanks
[04:57] <Nalioth> kevogod: it is up to gnome to integrate more win-key-combos into it
[04:57] <frank23> Nalioth: what do you have that I don't?
[04:57] <bob2> DewDude: it's patent-encumbered
[04:57] <DewDude> ahhh
[04:57] <Nalioth> DewDude: yes
[04:57] <belal122> canonical needs to throw out that trashy rhythm box and put in beep media player as default
[04:57] <DonL> belal122, mplayer is the one that works consistently well for me, through all kinds of distros
[04:57] <FR500> hello
[04:57] <bob2> DewDude: and yes, fraunhoffer want money
[04:57] <dreamie> how do you do a search in bitchx?
[04:57] <Nalioth> morale: that is a journey you will remember
[04:57] <kevogod> Nalioth: Well, Ubuntu could add its own.
[04:57] <DewDude> heh
[04:57] <DewDude> they sure haven't gotten any from me
[04:57] <belal122> donL, it's a headache
[04:57] <DewDude> i wonder how badly they got screwed
[04:57] <bob2> Nalioth: what formats can mplayer in multiverse not play?
[04:58] <FR500> how do i know if i have usb module driber (CONFIG_USB_ACM) compiled in kernel?
[04:58] <DonL> belal122, it was until it worked
[04:58] <DewDude> considering i've yet to see a pc that hasn't played it back
[04:58] <kevogod> I know how to add the shortcuts/combinations, but that's beside the point.
[04:58] <Nalioth> bob2: idk, i didnt even know there was one there
[04:58] <Nalioth> bob2: i tend to compile my own stuff with my own codec requirements in them
[04:58] <bob2> kevogod: if you want windows shortcuts b ydefault, file a wishlist bug
[04:58] <belal122> donL: i guess, but i don't know.  i just have a problem with it, it seems like a very messy program compared to totem/gstreamer
[04:59] <kevogod> bob2: I will.
[04:59] <bob2> no one you're talking to here has the power to change it
[04:59] <whyameye> bob2, thanks. I went with cp -a and it's working great!
[04:59] <DonL> belal122, whatever works for you.
[04:59] <frank23> Nalioth: I installed mplayer and w32codecs from the repos and have yet to find something I can't play (expect drmed .wmv)
[04:59] <morale> hmm.. how do you force gcc to build 64-bit binaries?
[05:00] <Nalioth> frank23: ok. i listen to mp4/aac and that rot
[05:00] <bob2> morale: you mean "I'm running the Ubunut i386 port on an amd64, and I'd like to compile an amd64 binary"?
[05:00] <DonL> Just looked out the window. Holy Purple Sky. Dusk here. Sorry to change subject
[05:00] <rendi> hello ??
[05:01] <dibbon> GTK Devel packages means gnome-devel ?
[05:01] <skaja> ok i have a hardware modem
[05:01] <Nalioth> rendi  :?
[05:01] <rendi> :o)
[05:01] <Nalioth> dibbon: use synaptic, and search for -dev
[05:01] <bob2> dibbon: no, it means libgtk2.0-dev
[05:01] <rendi> how to change my cursor ?
[05:01] <skaja> :(|)
[05:01] <bob2> dibbon: if you're compiling a gnome thing, tho, gnome-devel will get all you need
[05:01] <bob2> dibbon: as long as you have build-essential, too
[05:02] <rendi> [05:02] <bob2> rendi: please don't.
[05:02] <rendi> can ? how ?
[05:02] <skaja> so how do i get my modem to dial using ubuntu
[05:03] <IceDC571> DewDude, you back yet?
[05:03] <bob2> skaja: er, search the wiki?
[05:03] <DewDude> yeah
[05:03] <DewDude> i never actually left
[05:03] <DewDude> dude..i got iTux sitting next to the PC monitor
[05:03] <absinthe_> Breezy is like 10 times faster than Hoary
[05:03] <IceDC571> DewDude, iTux?
[05:03] <RedGhost> this is my first few days using ubuntu (or any linux for that matter) can someone reccomend a good AV? (prefered free)
[05:03] <DewDude> that's what i named my bx
[05:03] <DonL> skaja, sorry I've never done that so I don't know how to help you
[05:03] <DewDude> box
[05:04] <DewDude> cuz it's an iMac..with linux...iTux
[05:04] <IceDC571> ohh
[05:04] <Nalioth> RedGhost: clamav
[05:04] <bob2> skaja: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DialupModemHowto, for instance
[05:04] <IceDC571> haha nice :)
[05:04] <frank23> RedGhost: you don't need one ;-)
[05:04] <bob2> RedGhost: note that you don't need one for ubuntu
[05:04] <firebird619> Hi, I have an external modem which I have set up in System ==> Administration ==> Networking. I tried to configure the modem using wvdial, but it says Cannot open /dev/modem: No such file or directory. I have entered the information I need to in /etc/wvdial.conf, including /dev/ttyS0 which is where the modem is at. It also says Warning: section [Dialer Defaults]  does not exist in wvdial.conf, however, when I open the wvdial.conf file
[05:04] <DewDude> my XP machine is named MediaPimp
[05:04] <bob2> RedGhost: it's only useful if you're scanning files for windows machines
[05:04] <skaja> bob i cant get that to work
[05:04] <IceDC571> DewDude, so what do you think about this "SuperRip" feature by creative? haha
[05:04] <RedGhost> lol why is that
[05:04] <Hmmmm> hullo there people
[05:04] <IceDC571> it seems a little strange to me
[05:04] <bob2> skaja: how could anyone possibly help you unless you explain what isn't working?
[05:04] <DewDude> superrip?
[05:04] <skaja> i type in sudo pon and nothing happends
[05:04] <Hmmmm> need some help with security
[05:04] <RedGhost> i ran kaspersky, avast prom and noron on windows :x
[05:05] <IceDC571> "The X-Fi 24-bit Crystalizer and X-Fi CMSS-3D features allow you to "SuperRip" CDs into Xtreme Fidelity quality so you can now enjoy permanently enhanced music instead of low-quality MP3 files!"
[05:05] <RedGhost> norton*
[05:05] <kevogod> lol
[05:05] <DewDude> oh
[05:05] <DewDude> HAH
[05:05] <DewDude> i don't know
[05:05] <bob2> skaja: er, did you watch your logs?
[05:05] <Hmmmm> i have users logging in through an application and they are allowed to execute code in /tmp
[05:05] <bob2> IceDC571: that's marketing crap
[05:05] <Nalioth> RedGhost: linux has no known viruses
[05:05] <DewDude> well...yes and no
[05:05] <DewDude> you can't fix bad mp3's
[05:05] <RedGhost> lol what the fuck
[05:05] <Hmmmm> i want to make sure they can delete or overwrite other people files in /tmp
[05:05] <bob2> RedGhost: language please
[05:05] <bob2> Hmmmm: that's a terrible idea
[05:05] <Hmmmm> bob2, i know
[05:05] <DewDude> but if you're running 44.1, you could use some advanced interpolation models to attempt to up to like..96
[05:05] <bob2> Hmmmm: but removing the t permission from /tmp will do that
[05:05] <RedGhost> your saying no programmer has never gone through the trouble of enginerring a virus
[05:06] <RedGhost> and sorry for the swear
[05:06] <Hmmmm> i am going to move it to /home
[05:06] <IceDC571> i hate mp3's.. i can hear the difference no matter what bitrate its at
[05:06] <bob2> DewDude: that's crap too
[05:06] <DewDude> heh
[05:06] <Hmmmm> but as of now i have to make do with /tmp
[05:06] <DewDude> yeah
[05:06] <phayze2> RedGhost: most exploits are patched within a few hours
[05:06] <Hmmmm> is there a  way around this?
[05:06] <DewDude> bob: i'll be the judge around that
[05:06] <bob2> RedGhost: how would a virus get to run on your machine to begin with?
[05:06] <DewDude> err
[05:06] <DewDude> of
[05:06] <bob2> RedGhost: don't run random crap from the internet and you'll be fine
[05:06] <Nalioth> RedGhost: the operation of *nix sort of precludes any major damage/gain from a virus
[05:06] <bob2> RedGhost: and make sure you keep u pwith security updates
[05:06] <RedGhost> haha i dont, dont worry
[05:06] <FR500> im new to kernel stuff, i have to add  CONFIG_USB_ACM support, how do i do that?
[05:06] <geeksauce> problem solved.  thnaks
[05:06] <bob2> DewDude: you can't use interpolation to create more detail than was there to begin with
[05:07] <skaja> my modem does not make a dialing out noise i tryed this i typed in sudo pon then loaded up fire fox and typed in google.com and it would not load the page
[05:07] <IceDC571> DewDude, ever heard of PlexTools? its my favorite ripping software
[05:07] <DewDude> i'm not saying you'll get more detail
[05:07] <RedGhost> hmm, ive never done any nix programming only windows, (thats the reason i installed linux for programming reasons) so i dont know much about unix internals
[05:07] <bob2> FR500: it's already enabled in ubuntu kernels...
[05:07] <DewDude> you'll be more analog sounding audio
[05:07] <bob2> wtf
[05:07] <FR500> bob2: ok
[05:07] <bob2> that's filtering, not interpolation
[05:07] <FR500> then unsupported device i guess
[05:07] <DewDude> umm
[05:07] <bob2> FR500: it's a module, maybe it's not being autoloaded
[05:07] <DewDude> depends how you look at it
[05:07] <bob2> skaja: look at your logs
[05:08] <FR500> bob2: modprobe acm rite?
[05:08] <Hmmmm> bob2, removing the t makes it unsticky. right?
[05:08] <skaja> i dont know how to do that
[05:08] <DewDude> if you've got 44100 samples and you wanna take it to 96...you can't filter the extra samples in
[05:08] <RedGhost> well ill check out clamav, thanks for the advice all
[05:08] <Nalioth> RedGhost: have fun with this (it's old but revelant) http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/table.shtml
[05:08] <bob2> FR500: I dunno, find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -name "*acm*"
[05:08] <DewDude> most of the filtering done in SSRC is due to the fact a basic resampling causes haromic distortion
[05:08] <tritium> upsampling is in fact a form of discrete filtering
[05:08] <FR500> KM
[05:08] <DewDude> well, maybe it is
[05:09] <bob2> Hmmmm: yeah
[05:09] <Nalioth> tritium: howdy
[05:09] <skaja> bob so how do i look at the logs
[05:09] <tritium> hi Nalioth, bob2
[05:09] <bob2> hey tritium
[05:09] <bob2> skaja: tail -f /var/log/syslog
[05:09] <Hmmmm> and why wouldi want to make it unsticky, if i may ask?
[05:09] <DewDude> i've not heard the Xi-Fi "superrip"
[05:09] <DewDude> i don't know exactly how it works..i've come to not use hardware DSP's
[05:09] <DewDude> everything i do in software
[05:10] <bob2> Hmmmm: ?
[05:10] <RedGhost> nalioth, lol i really coulda used that a few days ago, that should be a great help ty
[05:10] <DewDude> except EQ
[05:10] <bob2> Hmmmm: man chmod, "STICKY DIRECTORIES" explains what it means
[05:10] <DewDude> i got a nice piece of analog hardware to do my EQ for me
[05:10] <bob2> I stand by my opinion that "Xtreme Fidelity" is some sort of lie invented by their marketing department, tho
[05:10] <Hmmmm> thanks bob2, lemme check it out...
[05:11] <IceDC571> well its not that bad
[05:11] <DewDude> would you say "Advanced Resolution" on DVD-Audio is a marketing gimmick?
[05:11] <tritium> the human ear can't hear much beyond 22k, so sampling at Nyquist (44k) is sufficient.  96k is overkill
[05:11] <DewDude> good god
[05:11] <rendi> what's the best editor for html guy's like macromedia mx
[05:11] <DewDude> you people
[05:11] <DewDude> like
[05:11] <bob2> I don't know what "Advanced Resolution" is
[05:11] <rendi> anyone know ?
[05:11] <IceDC571> bob2, im surprised my live card sounds SO MUCH better than on windows, linux really brings out its full potential
[05:11] <DewDude> you take nyquist theory so literally
[05:12] <IceDC571> and creative havent updated their live drivers in years
[05:12] <bob2> but claiming you can extract more information from a CD than is there is a lie
[05:12] <tritium> DewDude, of course.
[05:12] <bob2> IceDC571: heh
[05:12] <DewDude> i never said you could
[05:12] <DonL> tritium, maybe it's the system your dog or cat needs
[05:12] <DonL> lol
[05:12] <tritium> DonL, ?
[05:12] <DewDude> it's not about what your ears can hear
[05:12] <DewDude> it's about digital sampling
[05:12] <DewDude> and analog sound
[05:12] <whyameye> I have been trying "kill -9 <PID>" and the process won't die. It's some sort of disk read and the disk activity light is on...
[05:12] <bob2> IceDC571: I'm always astounded by how shit i810 audio sounds, I need to move my sblive to the new desktop
[05:13] <bob2> whyameye: it's unkillable then
[05:13] <tritium> DewDude, if your ears can't tell a difference, what's the point?
[05:13] <DewDude> i can
[05:13] <DewDude> to a degree
[05:13] <frank23> DewDude: Iam wondering where you're going with: It's not what your ears can hear
[05:13] <DonL> tritium, just a joke about their hearing is better than ours... lol
[05:13] <DewDude> it's more about preserving the original waveform
[05:13] <bob2> what is the point of anything you can't hear?
[05:13] <DewDude> you gotta remember...audio is analog
[05:13] <tritium> DewDude, perhaps you have sensitivity above 22k.
[05:13] <bob2> you can't preserve the original waveform
[05:13] <DewDude> you can get closer
[05:13] <whyameye> bob2, the unkillable process is a disk read. Now I can't access the disk... The disk is damaged, BTW....
[05:13] <bob2> yes
[05:13] <Nalioth> rendi: i know nothing like macromedia for html
[05:13] <DewDude> 96k preserves more of the wave than 44.1
[05:13] <tritium> No, sampling at Nyquist allows for perfect reconstruction
[05:13] <tritium> No
[05:13] <Madpilot> rendi: Bluefish or Screem (I prefer Screem)... ask ubotu about html
[05:13] <DewDude> bull
[05:14] <bob2> whyameye: yeah, then you're screwed
[05:14] <DewDude> it doesn't
[05:14] <bob2> whyameye: the kernel ca't beat bad hardware
[05:14] <DewDude> why is hollywood running all thier digital through analog tape before mastering?
[05:14] <frank23> DewDude: At 44Khz whatever part of the original waveform is useless to you but maybe not to your cat
[05:14] <frank23> DewDude: At 44Khz whatever part of the original waveform you lose is useless to you but maybe not to your cat
[05:14] <DewDude> jsut stop
[05:14] <DewDude> we're not going to agree
[05:14] <tritium> Yes it does, however...we can't produce a perfect sinc function, so there is a slight inefficiency there
[05:14] <DewDude> you're going to spout nyquist theory
[05:14] <bob2> DewDude: you seem to be confusing "people being used to analog artifacts" with "44khz is not enough"
[05:14] <whyameye> bob2, I'm just surprised it doesn't at some point give up and just report a read error...
[05:14] <DewDude> i'm going to spot my theory
[05:14] <DewDude> it's going to clash
[05:14] <bob2> whyameye: it might eventually
[05:15] <DewDude> just..ask yourself this...who's got professional remastering expierence
[05:15] <rendi> !sound
[05:15] <ubotu> sound is, like, totally, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/
[05:15] <whyameye> bob2, it's been easily 15 min...  Most of it is readable...and then this happens when I try to copy it to a clean disk...
[05:16] <DonL> Must go for now. Thanks for the chat.
[05:16] <bob2> whyameye: eep
[05:16] <tritium> DewDude, Nyquist sampling theorem is well-developed, proven, and exact
[05:16] <DewDude> if nyquist theory produced perfect reproduction....then the first audio CD's that were mastered wouldn't have been crap...and there wouldn't be a push for 96/24 in the consumer market
[05:16] <DewDude> yes..it works
[05:16] <DewDude> but..for a purist
[05:16] <DewDude> it's crap
[05:16] <DewDude> i'm a purist
[05:17] <tritium> DewDude, the problem with CDs is the dynamic range.  it has nothing to do with sampling rate
[05:17] <Nalioth> Madpilot: can you hit 44khz in -offtopic <snort>
[05:17] <Carpe_Libertatem> Can Ubuntu write to NTFS non-destructively?
[05:17] <tritium> Madpilot is right.  Let's move this to #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:17] <Nalioth> Carpe_Libertatem: not safely
[05:17] <bob2> Carpe_Libertatem: if you use captive-ntfs, sort of
[05:17] <bob2> modulo the driver exploding
[05:17] <DewDude> watever
[05:17] <DewDude> i'm not getting into it
[05:17] <DewDude> cuz it's 4billion against me
[05:17] <DewDude> and no one's gonna get my back
[05:17] <Nalioth> Carpe_Libertatem: that is putting a windwos lib into your kernel
[05:18] <DewDude> because you obciously know he nyquist theorm and think 44.1/16 is all you need for great audio
[05:18] <frank23> DewDude: too much math/physics/eng background here I guess
[05:18] <DewDude> obviously
[05:18] <IceDC571> i'm in #ubuntu-unregged :)
[05:18] <IceDC571> time to enter my password
[05:18] <DewDude> where as i have no math/physics and judge only by my ears
[05:18] <Carpe_Libertatem> Is there a way to covnert NTFS to fat?
[05:18] <DewDude> Carpe: no
[05:18] <bob2> ah, my vague recollection was correct, nyquist is related to shannon's
[05:18] <IceDC571> Carpe_Libertatem, not really
[05:18] <tritium> DewDude, sounds like you're sensitive to the poor dynamic range (a result of only 16-bit samples)
[05:19] <whyameye> bob2: it just came back! So...is there a way to reduce the number of read retries before reporting back failure?
[05:19] <tritium> _not_ the sampling rate
[05:19] <bob2> whyameye: hm, I don't know, sorry
[05:19] <Nalioth> Carpe_Libertatem: Partition Magic (tm) will do it
[05:19] <DewDude> tritium: dynamic range a bit....but the first CD's were mastered on standard 44.1/16 and sounded...digital
[05:19] <lunitik> bob2: wow... I think thats the first time I've ever heard that from you  :P
[05:19] <lunitik> bob2: you are human  :D
[05:20] <lunitik> s/heard/seen/
[05:20] <Nalioth> lunitik: human or out-of-memory'd heh
[05:20] <DewDude> people prefer more analog sound...and from my standpoint...you take a signal...sample it 44100 times a second..you get a somewhat accurate representation..but you double the amount...and you've got more information there to recreate a wave
[05:20] <DewDude> it's not about the extra 40khz of informtion
[05:20] <Nalioth> DewDude: -offtopic, you seem to be holding your own
[05:21] <tritium> DewDude, it's not extra information
[05:21] <rendi> !mysql
[05:21] <ubotu> hmm... mysql is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[05:21] <firebird619> Where can I type Initialization strings for my modem. It is an external modem and right now the connection speed is very slow and from reading info on the modem manufacturer site, to increase the speed I need to enter initialization strings, but it does not tell me where to enter them. Can someone please help me?
[05:22] <intelikey> howto install lilo rather than grub when installing ubuntu ?
[05:23] <rendi> [05:23] <IceDC571> i hate the offtopic section.. i want it to die
[05:23] <lunitik> intelikey: apt-get install lilo ; lilo
[05:23] <IceDC571> i mean seriously we're still talking about geek stuff
[05:23] <lunitik> intelikey: both require sudo
[05:23] <rendi> let talk about libido
[05:23] <rendi> lol
[05:24] <intelikey> lunitik no from the cd's installer,  while installing ?
[05:24] <lunitik> intelikey: during install, I don't think its possible... maybe try expert mode... although if you use a different fs other than ext3, this is done automagically
[05:24] <skaja> ok there is what i get
[05:25] <intelikey> anyone know ?
[05:25] <skaja> cant get termal parameters input/output error connect script failed exit
[05:27] <intelikey> brb
[05:27] <Demon_stroke> ok am i in teh help channel now?
[05:27] <skaja> bov you there?
[05:27] <skaja> bob
[05:27] <Madpilot> Demon_stroke: yes
[05:28] <Nalioth> Demon_stroke: you have somehow landed here
[05:28] <cafuego> ha
[05:28] <IceDC571> you think the soundblaster x-fi would work in ubuntu? lol
[05:28] <Demon_stroke> i got a question, Will normal Linux Programs run on Ubuntu?
[05:28] <IceDC571> lol
[05:28] <IceDC571> i suppose so?
[05:28] <IceDC571> sorry
[05:28] <IceDC571> yes they will
[05:29] <IceDC571> what do you mean by normal linux programs?
[05:29] <bimberi> Demon_stroke: programs such as?
[05:29] <windex> Demon_stroke, its really hard to answer that because vendors provide linux binaries for a billion diffrent types of platforms. the answer is, 'probably'.
[05:29] <cafuego> Demon_stroke: Yes, but please do install them using syanptic whenever possible.
[05:29] <intelikey> back
[05:30] <Demon_stroke> well i need a media player for ubuntu wut media player would u guyz reccommend
[05:30] <lunitik> Demon_stroke: theoretically... they will... yes... Ubuntu is LSB complient...
[05:30] <IceDC571> Demon_stroke, it depends, do you want to run gnome or kde?
[05:30] <cafuego> Demon_stroke: beep-media-player for audio; totem or mplayer for video
[05:30] <HrdwrBoB> I assume  you mean "what media player would you guys recommend"
[05:30] <HrdwrBoB> in that case, what cafuego said
[05:30] <frank23> Demon_stroke: I gnome, I used gxine or mplayer for video
[05:30] <Bad_Magic> anyone have any idea why when i change my sound levels in gnome the level doesnt change?
[05:30] <IceDC571> yeah what cafuego said
[05:31] <IceDC571> but if you run kde.. kaffiene (i cant spell) is pretty nice
[05:31] <cafuego> kaffeine
[05:31] <HrdwrBoB> Bad_Magic: depends, you may be changing a different level
[05:32] <Kyral> how would i set LC_ALL=
[05:32] <Kalidarn> hi in installing kubuntu on a laptop that doesn't have a internal cd drive (uses external usb interface) now as we know this works with nearly no linux distros. is it possible for me to install kubuntu/ubuntu in any other way that from the internet? like perhaps USB boot floppy then local FTP install? (thats how mandrake worked on there)
[05:32] <skaja> bob here is my error cant get termal parameters input/output error connect script failed exit
[05:32] <zdennis> anyone know how to get your scroll wheel to work in linux?
[05:32] <zdennis> er...gnome
[05:32] <ubuntu-asker> hello, i dont know if was something i did wrong or if ubuntu install (breezy) gcc4 ?!?
[05:32] <Bad_Magic> hrdwrbob: im using the keyboard shortcuts on my laptop (a little box pops up showing its actually doing something)... beyond that I couldnt tell ya
[05:33] <cafuego> Kalidarn: Is it a plain extermal USB cd drive?
[05:33] <bob2> ubuntu-asker: it indeed uses gcc 4.0
[05:33] <Nalioth> Kalidarn: check your Priv Msgs
[05:33] <cafuego> Kalidarn: ... as in: no weird interface?
[05:33] <ubuntu-asker> bob2, doh... that weird :S i didnt expect that
[05:33] <Demon_stroke> ok guyz ill brb, im getting an error message on startup also, ill grab a notepad and write it down
[05:33] <Kalidarn> yes.
[05:33] <Kalidarn> i, someone in the #kubuntu channel told me about smartboot
[05:33] <cafuego> Kalidarn: Then provided you can boot off it, it should work fine.
[05:33] <Kalidarn> i used it once before but it didnt wor
[05:34] <zdennis> bob2, what is typically the gcc vesion used, 3.3?
[05:34] <Kalidarn> was another distro thogh
[05:34] <bob2> ubuntu-asker: breezy is the development version, it's not intended for end users yet
[05:34] <cafuego> !info gcc hoary
[05:34] <ubotu> gcc: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is standard. Version: 4:3.3.5-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 64 kB
[05:34] <Demon_stroke> hey how do i know if its like kaffeine or wutever, or the other one?
[05:34] <bob2> zdennis: most distributions use gcc 3.3, yes; 3.4 and 4.0 change the way C++ libraries work, so it's a big step
[05:34] <zdennis> so i should install 3.3?
[05:34] <cafuego> zdennis: just 'gcc'
[05:34] <Kalidarn> cafuego, my drive is a USB IDE Bay (takes any IDE device) with a Pioneer 109 DVD Burner in it
[05:35] <zdennis> thx cafuego
[05:35] <Kalidarn> ill try smartboot though
[05:35] <cafuego> Kalidarn: Provided you can tell the laptop bios to boot off that drive, you should be able to install normally; the installer should detect a usb (or usb2) mass storage device.
[05:35] <ubuntu-asker> bob2, but.. gcc 3.4 can be considerer "testing" but... 4 this is REALLY testing
[05:35] <cafuego> Kalidarn: It's not really any different from booting off a usb key etc.
[05:35] <juanej> anyone using quod libet?
[05:35] <Kalidarn> it detects it alright
[05:36] <ubuntu-asker> bob2, i cant even compile the kernel with 4.
[05:36] <Kalidarn> but the linux kernel has a problem at the moment with usb drives
[05:36] <Kalidarn> basically it hangs at isolinux boot agent
[05:36] <cafuego> Kalidarn: ouch
[05:36] <Kalidarn> this is with all distros except for Novel Linux Desktop
[05:36] <Kalidarn> (only had a trial of that)
[05:36] <cafuego> Kalidarn: Then again, that's BEFORE it actually boots.
[05:36] <bob2> zdennis: you generally want build-essential if you want to compile things.  it gets you the default gcc, etc.
[05:36] <cafuego> (the kernel, anyway)
[05:36] <Kalidarn> same on my workstation :) if i use external USB
[05:36] <Kalidarn> wit any drive
[05:37] <Kalidarn> i tried a liteon cd burner still failed and a LG DVD combo that failed the same way too
[05:37] <AristoMagnus> !skype
[05:37] <Carpe_Libertatem> I can mount my /home/ directory to a FAT partition, can't I?
[05:37] <ubotu> methinks skype is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/, or deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
[05:37] <bob2> ubuntu-asker: ok
[05:37] <cafuego> Kalidarn: If the worst comes to the worst, you can always netboot via tftp and pass an installer initrd
[05:37] <rob^> can anyone using Breezy and an ATI graphics card confirm if the instructions at this pages works: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[05:38] <intelikey> Carpe_Libertatem that will cause problems with most gui's
[05:38] <Kalidarn> the only things that boot properly is WindowsXP Pro, Windows XP Tablet PC Edition, Windows XP Tablet PC Edition 2005, Windows Vista 1.0 (and previous betas) and Novell Linux Desktop
[05:38] <Carpe_Libertatem> intellikey - how's that?
[05:38] <Kalidarn> cafuego, thats how i did it before via internet installl
[05:38] <Kalidarn> try it External USB CD Drive, plain ol boot disk it wont matter what u use it will fail
[05:39] <AristoMagnus> Failed to fetch http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/dists/stable/non-free/binary-amd64/Packages.gz  404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[05:39] <AristoMagnus> :s
[05:39] <rob^> no Breezy users here then?
[05:39] <cafuego> AristoMagnus: yes, x86 only, i imagine.
[05:39] <Kalidarn> cafuego, smartboot might be the answer thank god to the good buntu docs
[05:39] <AristoMagnus> :(
[05:39] <cafuego> rob^: Sure, but they're all smart enough to use nvidia ;-)
[05:39] <AristoMagnus> cafuego: i need to do  my chroot for 32bit :)
[05:39] <intelikey> linux doesn't have a problem with it Carpe_Libertatem but most (if not all) gui's use files in your $HOME for verious things that they insist on being able to make those files secure and also they creat symlinks.
[05:39] <cafuego> AristoMagnus: looks like it :-)
[05:39] <AristoMagnus> hehehe
[05:40] <rob^> cafuego, yeah so am I, hence I need someone who has an ATI card to confirm if they work so I can add it to the FAQ Guide..
[05:40] <Carpe_Libertatem> I see. So is there a viable way to keep downloads and documents default to a directory on a FAT partition?
[05:40] <cafuego> rob^: From the reports I've heard on the state of their driver, i doubt it even compiles with gcc 4.
[05:40] <AristoMagnus> FAT sucks.. :|
[05:40] <Kalidarn> cafuego, smart boot is how i did it last time ;)
[05:40] <Carpe_Libertatem> I dual-boot, and want an easy way to exchange files between Lin & Win.
[05:40] <rob^> cafuego, grr thats not what I wanted to hear.. :P
[05:40] <AristoMagnus> Carpe: ext2 can be mount from windows !
[05:40] <cafuego> !ext2fsd
[05:40] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, cafuego
[05:41] <cafuego> Carpe_Libertatem: look for ext2fsd on sourceforge.
[05:41] <Demon_stroke> error mesage: could not open internet adress for unbuntu(gnome), to fix copy ubuntu to ect/hosts.
[05:41] <Demon_stroke> any ideas?
[05:41] <Carpe_Libertatem> It can write?
[05:41] <cafuego> Carpe_Libertatem: It mounts ext2 and ext3 read/write on Windows.
[05:41] <AristoMagnus> ext3 too?
[05:41] <Madpilot> rob^: I know that Burgundavia has an ATI card - ask him about it
[05:41] <cafuego> AristoMagnus: yes
[05:41] <AristoMagnus> nice!
[05:41] <AristoMagnus> did you tried it
[05:41] <rob^> Madpilot, thanks
[05:41] <cafuego> Yes, I use it nearly every day.
[05:42] <AristoMagnus> cool
[05:42] <Demon_stroke> error mesage: could not open internet adress for unbuntu(gnome), to fix copy ubuntu to ect/hosts.<<<<<need help
[05:42] <intelikey> yes you can "ln -s <your fat mount point> Documents" carpe_; and most things will dl to Documents by default. the ones that don't you can change the defaults...
[05:43] <Demon_stroke> anyone know how to fix the error message
[05:44] <Demon_stroke> ....anyone?
[05:44] <Nalioth> !tell Carpe_Libertatem about windowsdrives
[05:44] <intelikey> to fix copy ubuntu to ect/hosts.   ???
[05:44] <Demon_stroke> error mesage: could not open internet adress for unbuntu(gnome), to fix copy ubuntu to ect/hosts.
[05:44] <Nalioth> Demon_stroke: what does your prompt say when you open a terminal?
[05:44] <Demon_stroke> i dont get a prompt
[05:45] <Demon_stroke> that happens wen i log in
[05:45] <Nalioth> Demon_stroke: yes you do, open a terminal and just look at it
[05:45] <Demon_stroke> ok 1 sec
[05:45] <skaja> there i'm back
[05:47] <Demon_stroke> says my name then a lil money sign thingy
[05:47] <Milk_> Is there a good dvd authoring suite that has a gui?
[05:47] <unu> hello
[05:47] <Demon_stroke> hmm
[05:47] <unu> does anyone know what sabdfl means?
[05:48] <rendi> sudo apt-get install MySQL 4.1.14
[05:48] <rendi> Password:
[05:48] <rendi> Reading package lists... Done
[05:48] <rendi> Building dependency tree... Done
[05:48] <rendi> E: Couldn't find package MySQL
[05:48] <rendi> hello
[05:48] <Madpilot> Demon_stroke: that is a prompt, then
[05:48] <rendi> err
[05:48] <Nalioth> Demon_stroke: does it say "ubuntu" anywhere in there?
[05:48] <Demon_stroke> no
[05:48] <Madpilot> rendi: pastebin, please!
[05:48] <Demon_stroke> ill double check
[05:48] <rendi> what the newes version of mysql ??
[05:48] <Milk_> sabdfl = self apointed benevolent dictator for life  (2nd link on google.. geez)
[05:48] <Nalioth> rendi: dont paste in here. use #flood or a pastebin
[05:48] <rendi> i wannna to instal mysql
[05:48] <rendi> and get err like tha
[05:48] <Milk_> anywho... is there a good dvd authoring suite with a gui?
[05:49] <Madpilot> !tell rendi about lamp
[05:49] <Demon_stroke> jayson@ubuntu:-$
[05:49] <unu> renni: apt-cache mysql | less
[05:49] <bimberi> rendi: put mysql, not MySQL
[05:49] <rendi> ok
[05:49] <Nalioth> Milk_: i think so (not sure of the name, tho)
[05:49] <unu> renni: apt-cache search mysql | less :)
[05:49] <bimberi> Demon_stroke: where do you get that error message?
[05:49] <unu> does anyone know what sabdfl means?
[05:49] <Nalioth> Demon_stroke: ok, open a text editor using sudo
[05:49] <Milk_> Naolith, any ideas on where I can look?
[05:49] <Demon_stroke> as soon as i log in, i get 2 options, Log in anyway, and try again
[05:49] <Milk_> unu, ready above!
[05:49] <skaja> so how do i fix this error cant get termal parameters input/output error connect script failed exit
[05:49] <Nalioth> Demon_stroke: and open /etc/hosts
[05:50] <Milk_> unu, OR.. GOOGLE IT!!!!
[05:50] <Nalioth> Milk_: i don't know if 'dvdauthor' is a gui or not
[05:50] <unu> Milk_: google *doesn't* help
[05:50] <unu> Milk_: why would i ask on a forum, especially ubuntu
[05:50] <Kalidarn> wtf?
[05:50] <Demon_stroke> okie 1 moment
[05:50] <Nalioth> Demon_stroke: you have terminals in your applicatins > system tools > terminal
[05:50] <unu> Milk_: it's the title of shuttleworth
[05:50] <Madpilot> unu: Supreme & Benelvolent Dictator For Life - a joke title for  mark shuttleworth
[05:50] <Kalidarn> weird bug
[05:50] <Milk_> unu, the 2nd link on google searching for it answers yoru question without even clicking it
[05:50] <Madpilot> *Benevolent, even...
[05:50] <unu> Nalioth: which above?
[05:51] <Milk_> unu, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=sabdfl&btnG=Google+Search
[05:51] <Kalidarn> cafuego, where is the .img file i point rawwrite to?
[05:51] <Nalioth> unu i have 0 clue what you're on about
[05:51] <ilba7r> hi i have a VT82C686 AC97 sound controller. Whenever i use the scroll keys on firefox i hear a scratchy sound. Any one had a problem similar to that?
[05:52] <ilba7r> I suspect might bne attributed to cpu load but i do not think it should do that
[05:52] <Demon_stroke> yes i do, in the text editor, under ect/hosts, says 127.0.0 sumtin then says Localhost
[05:52] <unu> wtf? i get different google results in links and mozilla
[05:52] <unu> something is strange...
[05:52] <Demon_stroke> i do not have internet on the ubuntu comp eiher
[05:52] <frank23> what script does a make install follow?
[05:52] <unu> damn google personalized search
[05:52] <unu> thanks for the link though
[05:53] <Kalidarn> oh duh i forgot ialread just downloaded it
[05:53] <Kalidarn> i must ve tired
[05:53] <Nalioth> Demon_stroke: put your cursor next to "localhost" space over a couple and type "ubuntu"
[05:53] <Milk_> well.. I guess I will have to try later
[05:53] <Demon_stroke> k 1 sec
[05:54] <Nalioth> Demon_stroke: then save it. log out and back in
[05:54] <sjg> !restrictedformats
[05:54] <ubotu> rumour has it, restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[05:55] <Demon_stroke> read only and i cannot change the properties
[05:55] <Demon_stroke> can i save over a read only file?
[05:56] <phrizer> i installed the w32codecs, but still cant get totem to play files... do i need to install totem-xine?
[05:56] <Nalioth> Demon_stroke: you have to open the text editor using sudo
[05:56] <Demon_stroke> sudo...?
[05:56] <Nalioth> phrizer: what kind of files?
[05:56] <phrizer> Nalioth, divx, mpeg, wmv, avi
[05:56] <phrizer> mp3.
[05:57] <Demon_stroke> not sure were that is,
[05:58] <Nalioth> phrizer: did you use synaptic to get them? or d/l and installed yourself?
[05:58] <phrizer> synaptix
[05:58] <phrizer> er
[05:58] <Nalioth> Demon_stroke: at terminal type "sudo gedit /etc/hosts"
[05:58] <phrizer> synaptic
[05:58] <Madpilot> Demon_stroke: add "sudo" before whatever line
[05:58] <Nalioth> phrizer: you also need this
[05:58] <Nalioth> !tell phrizer about restricted
[05:58] <phrizer> yeah i read that
[05:58] <skaja> so how do i fix this error cant get termal parameters input/output error connect script failed exit
[05:59] <phrizer> Nalioth, so i need to install totem-xine ?
[05:59] <Madpilot> !tell Demon_stroke about sudo
[05:59] <neoprodigy> Have a question, I screwed up my home directory somehow which affected my gnome-panel, I changed the path and did killall gnome-panel and everything disappeared. Is there a way to reset my home directory path through a terminal?
[05:59] <Nalioth> phrizer: no, you need to install a mp3 codec
[05:59] <Nalioth> phrizer: read your PM
[06:00] <phrizer> I read that page.
[06:00] <unu> neoprodigy: what do you mean by changed path?
[06:00] <unu> neoprodigy: as in /etc/profile? or what?
[06:00] <neoprodigy> unu: I changed the path from /home/neoprodigy to /media/home
[06:01] <neoprodigy> unu: in the Users and Group tool
[06:01] <unu> neoprodigy: aaaaa
[06:01] <neoprodigy> unu: I seem to remember this info being stored in a file somewhere
[06:01] <Demon_stroke> "unable to lookup ubuntu via gethostname()
[06:01] <neoprodigy> unu: But I don't remember which.
[06:02] <unu> well you'll have to edit /etc/profile or ~/.bashrc
[06:02] <Nalioth> Demon_stroke: have you got the hosts file open?
[06:02] <Demon_stroke> no i closed it b4 i did the sudo thing
[06:02] <Nalioth> Demon_stroke: this is a common problem
[06:02] <Nalioth> Demon_stroke: at a terminal, type "sudo gedit /etc/hosts"
[06:02] <neoprodigy> unu, ok, thanks, i will take a look see
[06:03] <unu> use sudo for  /etc/profile  - it needs root privileges
[06:03] <neoprodigy> k, thanks a bunch
[06:03] <unu> neoprodigy: no problem
[06:03] <Demon_stroke> hmm
[06:03] <CCFIEL> hello ppl...
[06:03] <Demon_stroke> wait unu i need to open the profile and do wut
[06:04] <intelikey> hmmm i rm'd sudo   ;/
[06:04] <CCFIEL> has somebody as a package for ubuntu...gaim vv...= support webcam/
[06:04] <Nalioth> Demon_stroke: open your hosts file. your .profile is not necessary
[06:05] <Demon_stroke> i cannot open the hosts file using sudo i get the error message i just typed above
[06:05] <Kalidarn> :( thatx crap i got smart boot manager working and it noticed my DVD burner connected
[06:05] <unu> intelikey: use su
[06:05] <Kalidarn> but its not in the boot menu
[06:05] <unu> Demon_stroke: ?
[06:05] <Kalidarn> smart boot manager cant see my dvd drive either
[06:05] <unu> Demon_stroke: oh, that was for neoprodigy
[06:05] <Nalioth> Demon_stroke: what password are you using?
[06:05] <Demon_stroke> o i c
[06:06] <Demon_stroke> i got it open im being an idiot, maybe 2 am isnt good for fixin, o well, anyways, its open, but its also empty
[06:06] <intelikey> unu na i just login as root   and keep a root console open
[06:06] <Demon_stroke> the localhost words and all that are gone
[06:06] <kairu0> hi all! i have a problem with my system crashing occasionally with sound files. when i right click on an mp3 in the file manager and choose properties it crashes. what might cause this?
[06:07] <Bubblefly> Huh... How can I make mailto: links work in Firefox/Thunderbird?
[06:07] <Nalioth> Demon_stroke: go to the "open" dialog and find /etc/hosts
[06:07] <unu> intelikey: do *not* login as root, use a root console if you must
[06:08] <Nalioth> Bubblefly: system > prefs > preferred applications
[06:08] <Bubblefly> Nalioth: Yeah, I already have it in there... but mailto links still don't open? :3
[06:08] <Nalioth> unu: it's intelikey's box. let him do as he likes
[06:09] <Nalioth> Bubblefly: hmm. strange
[06:09] <phrizer> Nalioth, i read that url, still stumped as to what im ment to install.
[06:09] <neoprodigy> unu: Nothing in the /etc/profile or ~/.bashrc that helps me change the path for my home directory
[06:09] <Demon_stroke> ok
[06:09] <unu> neoprodigy: oh, stupid me, you changed the path to you home :) wait a min
[06:09] <Demon_stroke> has all the words in it now
[06:09] <intelikey> unu ?
[06:09] <unu> Nalioth: of course, but you don't need more spammers :)
[06:09] <Demon_stroke> so do i just add ubuntu past the localhost words
[06:10] <tritium> Nalioth, did the daily install image work for you?
[06:10] <unu> Nalioth: as in rooted :D
[06:10] <Nalioth> Demon_stroke: find the "localhost" next to the 127.0.blah and next to the 'localhost' a couple spaces, type "ubuntu"
[06:10] <Nalioth> Demon_stroke: then save it. log out and back in
[06:10] <unu> neoprodigy: usermod
[06:10] <Nalioth> tritium: i cant get good downloads
[06:10] <Demon_stroke> k ill brb
[06:11] <unu> neoprodigy: man usermod, usermod -d /home/name  i  think
[06:11] <Nalioth> they say they're comeplete (via wget and curl) but they're almost half empty (using the torrent hash to check via gtorrentviewer)
[06:11] <tritium> Nalioth, ah, I see.
[06:11] <Nalioth> i cant figger it
[06:11] <tritium> I'm going to test today's daily now.  I'm also on as mrimbert
[06:11] <neoprodigy> unu: i'll take a look at the man, thanks for pointing the direction
[06:11] <unu> neoprodigy: still around?
[06:11] <tritium> be back soon
[06:12] <unu> neoprodigy: found it usermod -d /home/neo :)
[06:12] <neoprodigy> unu: that's what i'm looking for! thanks!
[06:12] <unu> neoprodigy: you're welcome
[06:13] <Demon_stroke> yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ur teh s**t Nalioth
[06:13] <Demon_stroke> ;)
[06:13] <unu> intelikey: logging in as root is *bad* for security; every little thing that could go wrong will crash your system..think windows :P
[06:14] <Demon_stroke> i was on windows Xp but my comp's hd reformat was too large, so it was laggy, ubuntu runs a bit better and its nice to expeirience sumtin a little different
[06:14] <intelikey> unu think "my box, if i want to break it!"   :)
[06:15] <andrewski> bob2: around?
[06:15] <tritium> andrewski: he went to lunch
[06:15] <unu> intelikey: yes, but a rootkit could affect me too via spam :D
[06:16] <unu> intelikey: ubuntu spirit everywhere :D
[06:16] <andrewski> tritium: anyone else here a bash/tar guru?
[06:16] <Nalioth> andrewski: ask your question, you never know who can answer
[06:16] <tritium> andrewski: ask and find out, I guess ;)
[06:17] <sjg> Anyone can tell me how to make beep-media-player my default sound application over rhythmbox?
[06:17] <intelikey> unu you are talking about irc'ing as root,  i don't do that.
[06:17] <frank23> speaking of tar, I heard that tar now detects compression on its own and that the z or j option is not necessary. This doesn't work in ubuntu however
[06:18] <Nalioth> sjg: system > prefs > preferred apps
[06:18] <unu> frank23: one more letter doesn't hurt
[06:18] <cafuego> frank23: No, you were probably told wrong.
[06:18] <sjg> Nalioth, No option listed for sound ..
[06:18] <andrewski> tritium: i'm using the following to copy while preserving hierarchy: "while IFS=$'\n' read i; do tar -cf - "$i/"* | ( cd /media/IAUDIO/music; tar -xf - ); done < folders" (folders is a file).  but for some reason it escapes colons, so that any file with a colon fails because it's quoted and has a backslash.  --force-local doesn't work because the syntax is all funny....
[06:18] <unu> intelikey: try cd / && rm -rf :D just kidding, don't do that
[06:19] <sjg> unu, thats mean.
[06:19] <sjg> lol
[06:19] <frank23> unu: that wouldn't work without sudo
[06:19] <unu> sjg: no, dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/hda is mean
[06:19] <cafuego> andrewski: 'cp -a' is nice,
[06:19] <Nalioth> unu: lets keep those jokes out of here, please, we sometimes have impressionable folks
[06:20] <unu> sjg: dont't do that either
[06:20] <andrewski> cafuego: nope, this does exactly what i want but fails on filenames with a colon.
[06:20] <unu> Nalioth ok, ok...
[06:20] <frank23> Nalioth: I actually think your concern is justified ;-)
[06:20] <andrewski> i just can't get the syntax right with the --force-local flag.
[06:20] <cafuego> andrewski: ergo: it does not do what you want (I assume you don't want it to fail)
[06:20] <unu> i told them not to do it
[06:21] <andrewski> cafuego: sure, but i don't want to use cp or i'd be using cp.
[06:21] <cafuego> andrewski: Any reason?
[06:21] <andrewski> cafuego: cannot open: invalid argument
[06:21] <cafuego> apart from having a slightly more convoluted way that doesn't work?
[06:21] <Nalioth> frank23: believe me, it is.. .. ..
[06:21] <unu> andrewski: maybe rename the files? like from : to _
[06:21] <teardrop_c> andrewski: thats what i tell my wife
[06:22] <teardrop_c> andrewski: cannot clean: invalid argument
[06:22] <andrewski> unu: this is a lot of files.
[06:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> is there a way to specify in sessions to start up apps in a specific window, that is, apps that don't support sessions.
[06:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> ?
[06:22] <cafuego> andrewski: If it automatically escapes, perhaps just don't quote.
[06:22] <unu> andrewski: with a script of course =))
[06:22] <teardrop_c> andrewski: you could combine find with a sed command
[06:22] <unu> andrewski: not by hand :))
[06:23] <andrewski> cafuego: but the filenames have other characters--spaces, parentheses--that need to be quoted.
[06:23] <frank23> Nalioth: Someguy apt-get removed glibc when I told him to downgrade it... I should have anticipated that
[06:23] <andrewski> i repeat: i just can't get the syntax with --force-local right.
[06:23] <andrewski> could someone help me with that, specifically?
[06:23] <unu> frank23: no problem, i heard of gentoo people that removed gcc :P
[06:23] <unu> frank23: or python
[06:23] <tritium> andrewski: did you ask in #bash?
[06:24] <cafuego> andrewski: Does it also escape when you just run for in in `cat folders`; do .....; done ?
[06:24] <andrewski> tritium: yeah, they were helping me, then just disappeared.
[06:24] <misterdeff> hello. can someone please tell me how to access my ntfs partition?
[06:24] <cafuego> !ntfs
[06:24] <Nalioth> !tell misterdeff about windowsdrives
[06:24] <cafuego> stupid bot
[06:24] <unu> Nalioth:)) why not?
[06:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> Many people had dogs that they were not permitted to take on the bus. A police officer took one from a little boy, who cried until he vomited. The policeman told a reporter he did not know what would happen to the dog
[06:25] <Nalioth> unu: why not what?
[06:25] <andrewski> cafuego: tried that, but wouldn't work with the spaces.  the while works.
[06:25] <unu> Naliot why not ntfs?
[06:25] <unu> !ntfs = not ntfs :)
[06:25] <ubotu> No idea, unu
[06:26] <Nalioth> unu: What?
[06:26] <konra`> is there any way to set up ubuntu to enable a windows machine to use a printer hooked up to it?
[06:26] <Nalioth> !tell unu about windowsdrives
[06:26] <cafuego> andrewski: Did you find out WHY 'cp' prints an error?
[06:26] <meeep> hi. how do i add a path in my $PATH ?
[06:26] <andrewski> cafuego: tar prints the error.
[06:26] <cafuego> meeep: export PATH=$PATH:/foo/bar
[06:26] <frank23> meeep: you can edit .bashrc
[06:26] <teardrop_c> meeep: add it into bashrc or similar
[06:26] <Madpilot> konra`: yes, but I don't know details
[06:27] <konra`> Madpilot, any suggestions?
[06:27] <unu> sorry about the bot - suse has susehelp, which is more intuitive - i didn't get it :)
[06:27] <unu> but now i do :P
[06:28] <Puffball> Does Ubuntu have a preset root password on a fresh installation?
[06:28] <cafuego> !+root
[06:28] <ubotu> root is, like, disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[06:28] <Nalioth> Puffball: no
[06:28] <cafuego> Puffball: In others words: you don't need root.
[06:28] <unu> !login
[06:28] <ubotu> No idea, unu
[06:28] <Nalioth> cafuego: why are there + signs in your bot requests?
[06:28] <unu> !+login
[06:28] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, unu
[06:28] <unu> !ubuntu
[06:28] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntu is an easy-to-use GNU/Linux desktop distro based on Debian.  http://ubuntu.com http://ubuntuforums.org http://wiki.ubuntu.com. It means 'Humanity to others'. see !awards
[06:28] <meeep> i look into .bashrc, but just cant find something that recalls the $PATH - thingie? :S
[06:28] <cafuego> Nalioth: karma
[06:28] <Puffball> I get this error to modify and add my hostname to /etc/host, but when I try to edit the file, I can't, because root has ownership of it.
[06:28] <intelikey> puffball no the passwd for root is not set,  that is how it is "disabled" so to speek
[06:28] <Madpilot> konra`: I think SAMBA will allow you to do it
[06:28] <unu> !+ubuntu
[06:28] <ubotu> ubuntu is probably an easy-to-use GNU/Linux desktop distro based on Debian.  http://ubuntu.com http://ubuntuforums.org http://wiki.ubuntu.com. It means 'Humanity to others'. see !awards
[06:29] <unu> !awards
[06:29] <ubotu> somebody said awards was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubunturocks
[06:29] <konra`> !samba
[06:29] <ubotu> from memory, samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[06:29] <tritium> look what you've started, cafuego ;)
[06:29] <unu> :))
[06:29] <cafuego> yeah
[06:29] <intelikey> Puffball if you ever need to "enable" root just sudo passwd
[06:29] <cafuego> !botabuse
[06:29] <ubotu> You can play with me on #debian-bots without being banned.
[06:30] <frank23> nice
[06:30] <Puffball> Ah, thanks
[06:30] <Nalioth> cafuego: what is the command for ubotu to google something ?
[06:30] <intelikey> np
[06:30] <cafuego> Nalioth: !scrape, but I'm fairly sure the scrape module is disabled.
[06:30] <sniz> alrighty, I'm currently on the 5.04 LiveCD, and I have absolutely no options for changing my resolution in xorg...
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[06:31] <sniz> oi
[06:31] <cafuego> intelikey: thanks for not spamming.
[06:31] <unu> :))
[06:31] <sniz> lemme try this out ;]
[06:31] <cafuego> intelikey: you can '/msg ubotu help'
[06:32] <intelikey> i expected that to be a /msg reply
[06:32] <unu> try  that in debian-bots :D
[06:32] <cafuego> intelikey: Don't use the '+'
[06:32] <unu> 3 pages worth
[06:32] <intelikey> oh  ok
[06:32] <chrismy> hail all
[06:32] <cafuego> chrismy: where? there's sun here...
[06:33] <CCFIEL> hello ppl..
[06:33] <konra`> lol
[06:33] <sniz> thanks frank23
[06:33] <Octane> is there still no flash for amd64?
[06:33] <sniz> imma try these out ;]
[06:33] <chrismy> cafuego, hey ubotu's creator :D yes you know well i am in Malaysia
[06:33] <CCFIEL> has somebody here compiled gaim vv=webcam support?
[06:33] <cafuego> chrismy: stop accusing me
[06:33] <chrismy> cafuego, huh?
[06:33] <frank23> Octane: until you can get macromedia to make one, no
[06:33] <cafuego> Octane: Why would you want flash if you were smart enough to buy amd64?
[06:33] <unu> Octane: imho ubuntu on amd64 is *very* unstable
[06:34] <unu> Octane: use i386...
[06:34] <Octane> unu: i run it on amd64 and its great
[06:34] <cafuego> unu: amd64 runs fine.
[06:34] <Octane> ya
[06:34] <Nalioth> tritium: you dailys come down alright?
[06:34] <Octane> you dont know what youre talking about
[06:34] <Octane> anyway, i just wanted to see if its come out
[06:34] <tritium> Nalioth: yes, downloading 20050901.1 right now.
[06:34] <Octane> ill keep using firefix32 bit
[06:34] <ali4728> Help needed to set up Name Based Hosting (Multiple sites on single IP)
[06:34] <tritium> Well, burning it to disk, actually
[06:35] <unu> unu: i used a kubuntu on amd64.... horrible
[06:35] <Nalioth> tritium both aug31 and todays did the same thing.
[06:35] <unu> cafuego: : i used a kubuntu on amd64.... horrible
[06:35] <tritium> Nalioth: want me to snail-mail one to you?  ;)
[06:35] <Octane> unu: im running kubuntu 64
[06:35] <frank23> unu: I did that too before I switched to i386. did kaffeine work for you?
[06:35] <cafuego> unu: Yes of course, KDE is horrible no matter what arch you run it on.
[06:35] <cafuego> unu: It's hardly fair to blame that on the cpu.
[06:35] <tritium> Nalioth: kernel panic still?
[06:35] <Nalioth> tritium: heh, by that time, we'll be at Preview Release X
[06:35] <chrismy> ubuntu on my AMD64 has no problems so far ;)
[06:36] <Nalioth> tritium: i aint got a current one to use
[06:36] <intelikey> cafuego k seems ok on this p133mmx   :)
[06:36] <tritium> okay
[06:36] <Dr_Willis> Ubuntu on my V2311us Turion Based Laptop = ACK. :(
[06:36] <unu> cafuego: not only kde, firefox too
[06:36] <unu> cafuego: believe me, it was unbrowsable - 3 tabs and bang..
[06:37] <cafuego> unu: I run amd64 (breezy) and currently have NO problems.
[06:37] <unu> unu: you lucky guy :P
[06:37] <sjg> cafuego: same here, runs like a dream
[06:37] <cafuego> I've had the odd package brokenness that comes with running breezy, but certainly no unexplained crashes or hangs.
[06:37] <intelikey> ahh  what am i supposed to do with it   ?????
[06:37] <unu> cafuego: breezy? isn't that a bit risky?
[06:37] <sjg> cafuego: and my laptop is kinda a pos lol
[06:38] <cafuego> unu: Not for people who 1) know what they're doing and 2) can fix problems without hassling #ubuntu.
[06:38] <sjg> unu, breezy is pretty stable tbh
[06:38] <frank23> cafuego: can you install i386 packages with that?
[06:38] <cafuego> frank23: I run a 32bit (i386) chroot for openoffice i386.
[06:38] <cafuego> Though OOo2 is now working again.
[06:38] <sjg> frank23: You can run i386 packages in a chrooted envir
[06:39] <frank23> cafuego: ok. but I heard that multiarch would be in breezy. Is that true?
[06:39] <unu> cafuego: give me examples of problem fixing - hacking ? or plain package management?
[06:39] <cafuego> frank23: Yeah, I can install it without the chroot, but I'd rather not start mixing stuff whilst breezy isn't stable.
[06:40] <frank23> cafuego: And does your chroot see stuff in /media ? It never did for me before in hoary
[06:40] <Puffball> intelikey: running 'sudo passwd root' returned something relatively close to: "failed to return ... from getbyhost()"
[06:40] <cafuego> unu: Having config file backups, knowing when to restore/downgrade using /var/cache/apt/archives, knowing how (and WHEN) to use force commands for dpkg, using equivs, managing custom apckages.
[06:41] <unu> cafuego: so not hacking... you forgot to mention that you need to want to do it
[06:41] <unu> cafuego: maybe i could handle it, but i don't want to, frankly
[06:42] <mello6> hey fella,s what's a program that'll unarchive .rar files that ubuntu will work with?
[06:42] <cafuego> unu: Hacking is only necessary when stuff is VERY badly broken, I've not seen that sinec the libpam issues on Debian Sid.
[06:42] <intelikey> Puffball then fall back to su  and then passwd
[06:42] <cafuego> Puffball: You *could* just use sudo, you know.
[06:42] <frank23> mello6: rar  which is in multiverse
[06:42] <Nalioth> mello6: unrar-nonfree
[06:42] <intelikey> you don't add the root anyway...
[06:42] <cafuego> Puffball: Just check you have an entry for your local hostname in /etc/hosts
[06:42] <tritium> Nalioth: did you see my new "monitor"?
[06:42] <intelikey> it is just sudo passwd
[06:43] <Puffball> I don't, but when I try to modify it, I can't.
[06:43] <Nalioth> tritium: i think i have its brother in front of me
[06:43] <ali4728> Help needed !! Name Based Hosting?
[06:43] <cafuego> Puffball: If you get yoyr password right, it will. it just needs to time-out on the hostname lookup.
[06:43] <cafuego> ali4728: http://httpd.apache.org/ - lots of docs.
[06:43] <Puffball> I see
[06:44] <tritium> Nalioth: http://mip-lab4.ecn.purdue.edu/~rimbert/images/P1010171.JPG
[06:46] <scooba_steve> hello
[06:47] <unu> hello
[06:48] <CCFIEL> hello ...ppl..
[06:48] <scooba_steve> i'm running off of the Ubuntu Hoary livecd right now, and i noticed that when i move windows arround it has a sort of "ghost" effect when redrawing the windows, is this normal? is there a way to fix this?
[06:48] <unu> scooba_steve: check the refresh
[06:48] <CCFIEL> does somebody here has a package for gaim vv=webcam support?
[06:48] <CCFIEL> does somebody here has a package for gaim vv=webcam support?
[06:48] <Nalioth> scooba_steve: it doesnt do that on an installed ubuntu
[06:48] <scooba_steve> okay
[06:48] <Quinthius> what is the usual way to stop various services from starting on boot?
[06:48] <cafuego> CCFIEL: No need to repeat.
[06:49] <unu> CCFIEL: google it, you might be lucky
[06:49] <cafuego> Quinthius: Easiest is to install and run 'rcconf'.
[06:49] <Nalioth> where'd tritium go?
[06:49] <CCFIEL> cafuego: sorry...
[06:49] <tritium> I'm here
[06:49] <Quinthius> cafuego: thanks, will check it out
[06:49] <cafuego> Quinthius: (Actually, uninstalling the pkg in question is even easier ;-)
[06:50] <Quinthius> cafuego: well, true :P
[06:50] <scooba_steve> i'm going to restart, because i updated a piece of software and i guess it quit a daemon, but since i'm on the livecd it will all go back to normal when i restart...
[06:50] <scooba_steve> goodbye
[06:50] <unu> cafuego: that's even more dangerous that my jokes
[06:50] <intelikey> Quinthius if you like doing things by hand, remove the symlink to the things you don't want to start from /etc/rc#.d/   and /etc/rcS.d/
[06:50] <Quinthius> cafuego: but some, like postfix, cause ubuntu-desktop to be removed also... and im kinda hesitant about doing that
[06:50] <Carpe_Libertatem> Does Opera on Linux not have the built-in BT client?
[06:50] <unu> cafuego: one uninstall later and and bye bye system'
[06:51] <cafuego> Quinthius: Indeed; but you really do want postfix running.
[06:51] <andrewski> ok, rsync lackeys: can anyone help me with it?
[06:51] <LaserLine> Hello all, When re-installing Ubuntu Hoary, When I select partitions, Should I make the Primary onw "bootflag" on or off ?
[06:52] <cafuego> intelikey: 'rcconf' does that via a nice interface.
[06:52] <Quinthius> cafuego: well, maybe, but there are others, like cups, that are useless to me
[06:52] <LaserLine> Note that's I'm wiping the HD before.
[06:52] <andrewski> cafuego: 'rsync . /media/IAUDIO/music --include-from folders'
[06:52] <andrewski> skipping directory .
[06:52] <andrewski> cafuego: any ideas?
[06:52] <intelikey> mc is a nice interface for that....  or gentoo.... or even nautilus.
[06:52] <cafuego> LaserLine: if you wiped the HD, just tell it to auto-partition.
[06:53] <cafuego> andrewski: is . in the folder list?
[06:53] <unu> intelikey: rcconf is nice
[06:53] <andrewski> cafuego: doesn't matter if it is; it says the same thing.
[06:53] <LaserLine> cafuego I don't wany EXT3, I'm having too many problems with it, I'm goint to try ReiserFS (3 times EXT3 failing - don't like it)
[06:53] <unu> speaking of which, other nice admin packages are editkeep and orphaner
[06:54] <intelikey> k unu when i get back to un i
[06:54] <intelikey> try it
[06:54] <intelikey> sorry bumped the return by mistake... there ^
[06:54] <frank23> LaserLine: problems with ext3? are you sure its not your disk?
[06:54] <cafuego> LaserLine: Um, reiser os FAR more likely to fail than ext3.
[06:54] <Kalidarn> hmm okay that didnt work either
[06:54] <Kalidarn> time to install ubuntu from the internet
[06:54] <cafuego> LaserLine: make sure you 1) shut your machinw down properly and 2) Don't have bad hardware.
[06:54] <sjg> ext3 is "Far" more reliable than reiserfs imo
[06:54] <worthawholebean> How can I share a printer from an Ubuntu computer to a Mac OS X comp?
[06:55] <cafuego> worthawholebean: Both Mac OS X and Linux use CUPS.
[06:55] <tritium> worthawholebean: cups
[06:55] <worthawholebean> Where's the documentation?
[06:55] <Kalidarn> what size?
[06:55] <Kalidarn> D or C?
[06:55] <intelikey> sjg you have had data loss with reiserfs ?
[06:55] <LaserLine> cafuego 1. I shutdown machine proberly. 2. I checked the disk various times with UBCD, and all say it's good.
[06:55] <tritium> worthawholebean: all packages put their docs in /usr/share/doc/<packagename>
[06:56] <Kalidarn> i like D CUPS
[06:56] <bimberi> Nalioth: you got ops! Yay!
[06:56] <worthawholebean> Thanks.
[06:56] <Kalidarn> is one CUP fuller than the other?
[06:56] <LaserLine> cafuego, Should I try partitioning  the drive, but telling it that to start from the end instead of beginning ?
[06:56] <sjg> intelikey: had a whole drive unusable. Till reformat
[06:56] <tritium> Kalidarn: please watch the comments
[06:56] <Nalioth> bimberi: i do?
[06:56] <cafuego> LaserLine: Then something else is goign wrong, somewhere. You're ceratinly not going to get BETTER reliability with reiser (Though feel free to find out the hard way).
[06:56] <Kalidarn> hey trit i was talking about plastic beakers
[06:56] <Kalidarn> ywith water
[06:56] <intelikey> sjg one time ?
[06:56] <sjg> intelikey: Yes, just one time
[06:56] <Kalidarn> i like more water than less so i asked if one of te cups was fuller than the other one
[06:56] <bimberi> Nalioth: hehe
[06:56] <Nalioth> bimberi: what now?
[06:57] <cafuego> LaserLine: Well, at a minimum start at the front, have a large / partition.. use maybe 512Mb or so swap.
[06:57] <sjg> intelikey: Never had any issues with ext3 at all
[06:57] <intelikey> sjg i was just wondering what that "<sjg> ext3 is "Far" more reliable than reiserfs imo" was bassed on ?
[06:57] <LaserLine> cafuego, start at the front ?
[06:57] <cafuego> LaserLine: yes
[06:57] <sjg> intelikey: Just what I said, I had issues with reiserfs, never with ext3
[06:57] <LaserLine> cafuego, what does that mean ?
[06:57] <tritium> sjg: I too had issues with reiserfs
[06:58] <intelikey> i've never had a problem with reiser  but i have  two times with ext2/3
[06:58] <cafuego> sjg: I've had 2 unrecoverable FS issues with reiser, 3 with XFS. None with ext2 and ext3.
[06:58] <sjg> intelikey: *knock on wood*
[06:58] <intelikey> but it was probably hardware rather than software related..
[06:58] <cafuego> sjg: The stats overall seem to indicate ext3 is the one to use.
[06:58] <sjg> agreed cafuego, im all for ext3
[06:58] <Carpe_Libertatem> I just apt-got fbpanel, when I try to run it I get
[06:58] <Carpe_Libertatem> fbpanel: can't start plugin menu
[06:58] <Carpe_Libertatem> fbpanel: can't start panel
[06:59] <dabaR> hey!! Happy new year!!
[06:59] <sjg> ..
[07:00] <gusto5> whats fbpanel?!
[07:00] <dabaR> Im just joking, cause I turn on my screen, and its exactly midnight...
[07:00] <unu> bye
[07:00] <LaserLine> cafuego, I Didn't understand what you meant with the "minimum start at the front"
[07:00] <sjg> Hmm, not midnight here :P
[07:00] <dabaR> right, that too.
[07:00] <sjg> But it will be that timezone soon for me once I move
[07:01] <CarlFK> live CD - i told it that 1024xz7 was the hightest the res will go, but now I see it will do more (laptop screen isn[t full).  other than reboot, how can I enable a higer res?
[07:01] <cafuego> LaserLine: For a minimal partition scheme. / and swap. make / be the first.
[07:01] <Quinthius> oddly enough, it was just exactly midnight here :)
[07:01] <andrewski> bob2: back yet?
[07:01] <LaserLine> cafuego Ok, but should It asks "would you like to create it at the beginig or the end of the drive".. what's the diffrence ?
[07:02] <Nalioth> CarlFK: run the dpkg-reconfigure dance
[07:02] <CarlFK> thanks
[07:02] <sjg> I cannot wait to be in chi-town. ...so sick of california
[07:02] <sjg> and the 3.25 gas prices do not help
[07:02] <Quinthius> is there a huge difference between a normal install and a "server" install? or does the server just not include some desktop-oriented stuff?
[07:02] <CarlFK> sjg - i grew up in San Jose, now live in chi.  where you from/going?
[07:02] <sjg> sunnyvale to chicago
[07:03] <intelikey> ah the windy city
[07:03] <CarlFK> sjg - I just went past a station: 2.35, 45 and .55 - so fill up before you leave ;)
[07:03] <andrewski> oh, please, it's 3.19 here in philly.
[07:03] <tritium> sjg: I'll be in sunnyvale on Wednesday night
[07:03] <sjg> 3.25 makes me sad :(
[07:03] <LaserLine> cafuego, I meant the Ubuntu Partitioner asks me where to create it...
[07:03] <sjg> 98 dollar fillup this evening
[07:03] <Nalioth> Quinthius: server does not include X or any X things
[07:03] <Quinthius> Nalioth: ahhh okie
[07:03] <cafuego> LaserLine: and I said 'at the beginning"
[07:04] <LaserLine> cafuego, Ok, Thanks.
[07:04] <andrewski> cafuego: for all the people who have lauded rsync, no one knows how to make it do what tar does.
[07:04] <sjg> tritium: sunnyvale is overrated :)
[07:04] <cafuego> sjg: That's still below what the rest of the world pays, so expect it to go up.
[07:04] <sjg> cafuego: Agreed
[07:04] <tritium> sjg: it's just a business trip, overnight
[07:04] <cafuego> andrewski: I've only ever used it remotely.
[07:04] <sjg> cafuego: Sadly my truck gets like 17 mpg :(
[07:05] <sjg> tritium: where ya from?
[07:05] <worthawholebean> score one for hybrids
[07:05] <tritium> sig: Albuquerque
[07:05] <worthawholebean> :)
[07:05] <sjg> I want the new lexus hybrid suv
[07:05] <cafuego> sjg: Why do you need to drive a truck instead of a normal car?
[07:05] <andrewski> worthawholebean: i wish i could afford one, that's for sure.
[07:05] <sjg> cafuego: only vehicle, And I do quite a bit of camping, Nice to have a truck
[07:05] <worthawholebean> Anyway, about that printer... So you just set it up normally? And sharing works by default?
[07:05] <cafuego> sjg: Imagine how little fuel a non-SUV hybrid would use.
[07:05] <tritium> too bad hybrids have battery problems in hot climates like New Mexico
[07:05] <sjg> Plus for work  :P
[07:06] <LaserLine> cafuego, The reason why I'm changing the FS is becasue yesterday I reinstalled my Laptop (Only Ubuntu on it) and after I finished setting it up, and Installing all my software, I rebooted and got "EXT3 FS erros" and missing INODES, and after that some modules in the Kernel directory (sound) wern't able to load and I recieved Module erros. The system have shutdown properly.
[07:06] <sjg> cafuego: eevvvvil.
[07:06] <tritium> that may be a bit excessive, cafuego ;)
[07:06] <dabaR> Quinthius: I also hear there is a big difference, not just that. tritium what is your take on the diff between the server, and normal install, is it only the X things, that differ?
[07:06] <sjg> But alas I cannot afford a new vehicle. So Ill just stick with the titan
[07:06] <cafuego> If a car can't go somewhere, maybe you should go there by car. Walk, fat-ass.
[07:06] <sjg> And Complain about the gas prices.
[07:06] <tritium> dabaR: that's the only difference I'm familiar with
[07:06] <cafuego> s/should/shouldn't/
[07:06] <dabaR> oki.
[07:07] <sjg> lol cafuego
[07:07] <cafuego> tritium: I've come to that considered opinion after cycling around Melbourne.
[07:07] <sjg> course the toyota prius has become a possible option if i have to commute much more after i move
[07:07] <sjg> 50 mpg would be heavenly
[07:08] <tritium> cafuego: still a bit excessive, I'd say
[07:08] <cafuego> tritium: When poeple drive SUVs because they prefer to be in a heavier, alrger car when they crash, they need to be made soylent green.
[07:08] <sjg> cafuego: What about people that drive superbikes?
[07:08] <sjg> Those things dont exactly get good gas milage
[07:08] <LaserLine> Dudes, I got a CRAZY idea.... NTFS never had problems with my system (XP worked flawlessly)... What would Happend if I Installed UBUNTU with NTFS ???
[07:09] <cafuego> sjg: They use far less fuel and DO pay attention to fellow traffic, because they're ALSO vulnerably.
[07:09] <Nalioth> LaserLine: waht are you doing?
[07:09] <Quinthius> LaserLine: i don't think linux has very good write support for ntfs at all yet...
[07:09] <sjg> cafuego: true, i know when i ride mine Im very careful cause i dont wanna get crunched
[07:10] <LaserLine> Nalioth Trying not to Install Windows XP on my laptop.............
[07:10] <sjg> But normally I drive my truck everywhere about 95% of the time, 40k + miles a year.
[07:10] <Nalioth> by ctcp'ing us?
[07:10] <tritium> I dislike drunk drivers far more than I disklike SUV drivers
[07:10] <cafuego> sjg: That;s a massive difference from wiping out pedestrians, cycles, bikes and smaller cars with a damn TANK.
[07:10] <Carpe_Libertatem> tritium: what about drunken SUV drivers?
[07:10] <Quinthius> tritium: dont ever come to kansas then...
[07:10] <Nalioth> Quinthius: i say that writing to NTFS from linux is the best first step to an all-linux box
[07:10] <tritium> Carpe_Libertatem: ;)
[07:11] <tritium> oh, the drunk driving in New Mexico is pretty bad
[07:11] <cafuego> sjg: Probably 80% of those here don't use their mirrors, because theye xpect small fry to get out of the way anwyay.
[07:11] <sjg> omg
[07:11] <sjg> cafuego: where you live?
[07:11] <LaserLine> Why shouldn't I choose EXT2 ? I'm reading here: http://linux.org.mt/article/filesystems  (very interesting)
[07:11] <sjg> Ahh, NZ yah...
[07:11] <Madpilot> If it's an all-Linux box, why not just use EXT3 or similar? wwho needs NTFS?
[07:11] <Quinthius> tritium: oh, i thought you said "truck" drivers. but drunk is even more applicable here :(
[07:11] <Carpe_Libertatem> Does anyone here use Fluxbox?
[07:11] <dabaR> I use openbox.
[07:12] <cafuego> sjg: Melbourne
[07:12] <Nalioth> LaserLine: use ext3 (psst, it's ext2 + journaling = ext3)
[07:12] <cafuego> sjg: (Australia)
[07:12] <Carpe_Libertatem> Is that similar to fluxbox?
[07:12] <sjg> ntfs.....is a microsoft proprietary filesystem, it belongs no where near linux imo
[07:12] <CarlFK> http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive  The first free NTFS read/write filesystem for GNU/Linux
[07:12] <Burgundavia> CarlFK, not free
[07:12] <dabaR> Carpe_Libertatem: it is similar...like debian and ubuntu:)
[07:12] <Burgundavia> CarlFK, it requires the MS NTFS driver
[07:12] <sjg> cafuego: I assumed nz from your domain, heh :p
[07:12] <hondje> I thought captive wasn't being developed anymore
[07:13] <Nalioth> CarlFK: if you like the idea of a microsoft lib riding along with your kernel
[07:13] <cafuego> CarlFK: isn't that a filthy travesty like ndiswrapper?
[07:13] <LaserLine> Nalioth Reading about that now... But I can't TRUST EXT3 anymore on this laptop... 3 times, the same problems... while every check on UBCD says my drive is good.
[07:13] <dabaR> Carpe_Libertatem: I have not used the fluxbox much, so I cant tell you.
[07:13] <cafuego> LaserLine: Go ext2, then.
[07:13] <Nalioth> LaserLine: chuck the lappy
[07:13] <LaserLine> Nalioth, Even checked the CPU, Memory and IDE controllers.
[07:13] <Carpe_Libertatem> dabaR: Is it easy to change themes in?
[07:13] <cafuego> LaserLine: if ext2 fucks up, you DO have a hardware issue.
[07:13] <Madpilot> LaserLine: time to replace the lappy's harddrive?
[07:13] <LaserLine> Nalioth I was searching EBAY for a Super Elektro-Magnet....... but they are too expensive...
[07:14] <dabaR> Carpe_Libertatem: which openbox? ya... #fluxbox exists.
[07:14] <sjg> LaserLine: Your hdd might be having issues. Seriously,
[07:14] <Carpe_Libertatem> Yeah, I'm there.
[07:14] <Nalioth> LaserLine: car or truck works good
[07:14] <CarlFK> Burgundavia - why would you have NTFS if you didn't have the MS drivers already?
[07:14] <Nalioth> LaserLine: is the lappy near you and connected to the net right now?
[07:14] <sjg> LaserLine: What is ext3 doing that makes it "mess up"
[07:14] <worthawholebean> How do I get my hard drive(s) to show on the desktop?
[07:14] <CarlFK> (same question for anyone else commenting on why ntfs)
[07:14] <LaserLine> Nalioth - Yes...
[07:14] <dabaR> Carpe_Libertatem: there is a openbox forum thread at ubuntuforums.org, started by stormy eyes.
[07:15] <Nalioth> LaserLine: got a livecd?
[07:15] <LaserLine> sjb, nothing. I installed my selection of software. and that's about it...
[07:15] <dabaR> he left...
[07:15] <Burgundavia> CarlFK, umm, you are missing the point
[07:15] <sjg> LaserLine: So whats the "Problem" then?
[07:15] <Burgundavia> CarlFK, captive is not free by any stretch of the imagination
[07:16] <dabaR> worthawholebean: which ones? do you have a computer icon on the desktop?
[07:16] <Nalioth> LaserLine: can you boot the lappy with an ubuntu liveCD and get it online?
[07:16] <LaserLine> sjb I recieve EXT3 FS Errors on Boot time, and after I fix it with recovery mode and "shutdown -rF now" I recieve other problems like modules being bad and so, and then another fsck session needs to be run.
[07:17] <dabaR> back up.
[07:17] <CarlFK> um, I can DL and use the captive part, without having to pay any more than I did for the OS that got me ntfs inthe first place.  how is that not free?
[07:17] <LaserLine> Nalioth - Harddrive is 63% wiping, in 8 minutes I could get it online, but with no data on the drive..
[07:17] <CarlFK> or is the fact that I have to pay for the  CPU and Hard drive make everything "not free"?
[07:17] <sjg> LaserLine: Did you power the system off, without proper shutdown?
[07:18] <Madpilot> CarlFK: it's the fact that you have to pay MS for the NTFS drivers that make the whole NTFS-writer app non-Free...
[07:18] <dabaR> CarlFK: ? are you asking what it means free in the free software circles?
[07:18] <som1> hi, my dad just bought some leet digital camera (hp photosmart m417), how do i download the pictures from it? :]
[07:18] <dabaR> som1: tried plugging it into the computer?
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> som1,  plug it in - and it 'should' show up as a usb drive.
[07:18] <Nalioth> LaserLine: that's fine
[07:18] <som1> well
[07:18] <som1> it doesnt.
[07:18] <Nalioth> LaserLine: let me know when you're online with it
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> hit it with a hammer. :P
[07:19] <som1> unless im looking in the wrong place
[07:19] <LaserLine> Nalioth - Thanks..
[07:19] <som1> where should it show up?
[07:19] <CarlFK> Madpilot - right, but you wouldn't have NTFS in the first place if you didnt' already own the MS product.  the part that is "captive ntfs" is free, open, all that
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> som1,  check the output of 'dmesg' as ya plug/unplug/plug it in.
[07:19] <dabaR>  som1 are you running gnome?
[07:19] <OohBattman> anyone set up a DVICO dvb tv card before?
[07:19] <som1> lets see.
[07:19] <Madpilot> Dr_Willis: you're from the "subtle" school of tech support, then? ;)
[07:19] <Juhaz> som1, at least some hp cameras have an option somewhere in the in-camera menus that control if it works as usb drive
[07:19] <som1> no, im with kubuntu.
[07:19] <som1> ohh..
[07:19] <som1> yeah, ive seen something.
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> Madpilot,  yep. :P if dmesg aint printing out info about it.. no amount of other twiddling with gnome will help
[07:19] <sjg> Madpilot: He must be "bofh" trained ...
[07:20] <CarlFK> dabaR - I am pretty much quoting the web page, which I tend to agree with.  others on the channel have a problem with it's use of "free"
[07:20] <Nalioth> Madpilot: Dr_Willis is the king of 'dynamic performance testing'
[07:20] <Madpilot> CarlFK: right, but the whole thing isn't, and people who don't run Win might still be interested in NTFS-writing (can't imagine why, but...)
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> gotta love people that spend all day tryign to get their network working.. THEN realize they tripped over the cable. :P
[07:20] <sjg> lol Nalioth...
[07:20] <sjg> Lol Dr_Willis
[07:20] <som1> here we go.
[07:20] <dabaR> CarlFK: its about the definition...it seems. dunno. You did not answer my question, tho.
[07:20] <sjg> Those people make me want to hit them in the head with a 2x4
[07:20] <som1> :D
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> Then again, my wife was mad - shw couldent find the button to 'unlock' the Washer machine... she dident see the button with the fine print "Hold for 3 sec to unlock' :P
[07:21] <Madpilot> First Rule of Troubleshooting: Thou shalt check to see if it is plugged in... ;)
[07:21] <dabaR> som1: good stuff.
[07:21] <CarlFK> dabaR - A: no.
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> network checking #2 rule.. if the dog has chewed on the cable.. replace it anyway.
[07:21] <dabaR> oki.
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> that took me a week to find!
[07:21] <sjg> I hate it when dogs chew cables
[07:22] <sjg> Mine did, my playstation 2 cables, my network cables, my flatpanel dvi cable
[07:22] <LaserLine> Nalioth, I'll /Msg you...
[07:22] <sjg> I was "NOT" happy.
[07:22] <CarlFK> Madpilot - I think you are thinking that the captive package includes the MS drivers.  "it" (what you get when you dl captive) doesn't, so "it" can be called free
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> i spryed all the cables with some "apple bitters" to keep them from chewing.. then sort of had it on my hands... then  was eating some food... and dident wash first... Ewwww
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> that stuff will keep you from chewing your nails.
[07:22] <dabaR> CarlFK: can you modify it?
[07:22] <ionrock> has anyone else had any issues with the mono and related packages in breezy?
[07:23] <sjg> Dr_Willis: eww.
[07:23] <Madpilot> sjg: so you converted the dog into a dog-fur rug, right? ;)
[07:23] <Dr_Willis> sjg,  but the stuff kept the dog from chewing.
[07:23] <som1> awesome.
[07:23] <som1> thanks
[07:23] <sjg> Madpilot: That dog is not allowed in the house anymore.
[07:23] <Burgundavia> ionrock, what sort of issues
[07:23] <Dr_Willis> Lol.
[07:23] <Dr_Willis> poor puppy wanted to play PS2!
[07:23] <sjg> I almost took him to the pound for that
[07:24] <dabaR> I like the almost part.
[07:24] <sjg> I was quite pissed.
[07:24] <CarlFK> dabaR - you get the source, the page mentions "Open Source" but I don't see an official licience
[07:24] <Madpilot> CarlFK: even if it doesn't include the drivers, it depends on them, and they're not free...
[07:24] <ionrock> Burgundavia, everytime I try to run a mono app (ie tomboy, muine, etc) I get an error saying it can't find the Mono.Posix assembly
[07:24] <Burgundavia> ionrock, you updated to the latest mono
[07:24] <CarlFK> Madpilot - ext2 depens on things you have to buy to.  but ext2 is free, right?
[07:24] <pixelmonkey> why is libcairo1 "not available" in breezy?
[07:25] <ionrock> Burgundavia, I just have been doing apt-get upgrades in breezy
[07:25] <Madpilot> CarlFK: hardware isn't the issuet, if you mean "you have to own a hard drive to be able to use EXT2"...
[07:25] <Madpilot> *issue
[07:26] <dabaR>  even if you buy a copy of linux, its still free, that stands.
[07:26] <LaserLine> Nalioth, Loading the LIVE CD - I /MSG you....
[07:26] <dabaR> can you guys go to #ubuntu-offtopic?
[07:27] <Madpilot> CarlFK: http://www.debian.org/intro/free
[07:27] <CarlFK> Madpilot - find me something that sugests that depandancy on non free drivers voids the OSness of it.
[07:27] <Madpilot> CarlFK: read the URL I just posted...
[07:27] <Burgundavia> ionrock, what version are you running?
[07:28] <CarlFK> Madpilot - like "While free software is not totally free of constraints" or is there something that supports your point?
[07:28] <ionrock> Burgundavia, mono? <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:28] <Burgundavia> ionrock, -1ubuntu4?
[07:29] <Madpilot> CarlFK: the "free to develop" part, and "free to copy"
[07:29] <CarlFK> right, right.  so captive is free.  glad we can agree.
[07:29] <ionrock> Burgundavia, not sure what you mean... I just did an upgrade to the latest breezy if that is what you mean
[07:29] <Burgundavia> ionrock, the mono version should be <IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu4
[07:29] <Madpilot> CarlFK: let's move to #ubuntu-offtopic if you want to continue, OK?
[07:30] <ionrock> Burgundavia, ah, the package... let me double check that
[07:30] <CarlFK> how bout we drop it. I dont' really care.
[07:30] <tritium> move it to off-topic guys
[07:30] <ionrock> Burgundavia, yeah that is what it is
[07:30] <dabaR> 2 the ' is used to show where the letters are missing...so like, don't if anyone cares.
[07:30] <ionrock> <IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu4
[07:30] <CarlFK> na, if anyone wants ntfs stuff, they can figure it out.  I have no more to add.
[07:31] <LaserLine> Nalioth I'm Online
[07:31] <Nalioth> LaserLine: apt-get install smartmontools
[07:31] <CarlFK> for the flip side that almost nulls the whoe issue: http://www.fs-driver.org
[07:32] <LaserLine> Nalioth, from the live CD terminal in Gnome ?
[07:32] <LaserLine> Nalioth That should be with sudo, right ?
[07:32] <CarlFK> cours I suppose that requries windows too, so maybe it is the same.  again, I don't care.
[07:32] <Nalioth> LaserLine: yes, all correct
[07:32] <dabaR> CarlFK: good link.
[07:33] <LaserLine> "couldn't find package"
[07:33] <CarlFK> tx.  I havn't tired it yet, so don't take it as an indorsement
[07:33] <Madpilot> CarlFK: #ubuntu-offtopic - you're missing a couple of details that're important...
[07:33] <LaserLine> Nalioth "couldn't find package"
[07:33] <CarlFK> Madpilot "
[07:33] <intelikey> where is the headquarters of debian ?    what geographical local ?
[07:33] <CarlFK> Madpilot "I" dont' care.  if anyone does care, they can go get them
[07:33] <Nalioth> laserline enable all the repos
[07:34] <LaserLine> Nalioth Got it :D
[07:34] <LaserLine> Nalioth needet to apt-get update.
[07:34] <LaserLine> Nalioth (didn't need to enable all the repos, it's in MAIN)
[07:34] <LaserLine> Nalioth What to do now ?
[07:35] <Nalioth> LaserLine: run (from a terminal) "smartctl"
[07:35] <Carpe_Libertatem> Is there anyone to make a transparent terminal window not display the background image if a window is between it and the desktop?
[07:35] <Nalioth> LaserLine: paste the output to a pastebin in the /topic
[07:35] <Carpe_Libertatem> anyone = anyway
[07:35] <LaserLine> it requires a device name... it shoud be /dev/hda ?
[07:36] <Nalioth> LaserLine: yes
[07:36] <LaserLine> Nalioth nothing happend - I ran "smartctl /dev/hda"
[07:37] <Carpe_Libertatem> Is there anyway to make a transparent terminal window not display the background image if a window is between it and the desktop?
[07:37] <Carpe_Libertatem> :p
[07:37] <Nalioth> LaserLine: nothing happned at all?
[07:38] <dabaR> Carpe_Libertatem: you know you are really asking whether it is possible to display the window in between, right?
[07:38] <LaserLine> Nalioth now I wrote smartctl /dev/hda -a
[07:38] <LaserLine> Nalioth and got output
[07:39] <Carpe_Libertatem> dabaR: Yeah.
[07:39] <Nalioth> LaserLine: paste it and show us the link
[07:39] <Carpe_Libertatem> dabaR: is it?
[07:39] <pablo928> I just downloaded the latest upgrades for Breezy and now Firefox crashes as soon as it opens.
[07:39] <dabaR> Carpe_Libertatem: I believe not.
[07:39] <geeksauce> back with another question...every time i run rhthymbox while my ipod is connected, it immediately crashes.  what could be the problem?
[07:40] <LaserLine> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1809
[07:41] <fr500> hi
[07:41] <fr500> has anyone succefully compiled bmpx?
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[07:42] <CarlFK> rats.  how come xorg.conf has 1024, but prefs/screen res only has 640 and 800?  (and ctrl alt + only flipes between those two)
[07:42] <Madpilot> !fixres
[07:42] <ubotu> [fixres]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:42] <Nalioth> LaserLine: your HD is fuX0rd
[07:42] <Madpilot> CarlFK: see above ^^^
[07:42] <Dr_Willis> CarlFK,  could be the monitor settings are to blame. not the vid card settings.
[07:42] <dabaR> BROKEN_LADDER: you better have something else to follow up on that.
[07:43] <LaserLine> Nalioth What ?
[07:43] <LaserLine> Nalioth How do you know that ?
[07:43] <Nalioth> LaserLine: did you not read what the thing output?
[07:43] <Madpilot> BROKEN_LADDER: cite and/or source?
[07:43] <Nalioth> LaserLine: the word "Failing" mean anything?
[07:43] <CarlFK> Dr_Willis - do laptop lcd's have monitor settings?
[07:43] <LaserLine> Nalioth, I read... I don't understand all...
[07:43] <LaserLine> Nalioth It's only on "Load_Cycle_Count"
[07:44] <Dr_Willis> CarlFK,  they are special. :P    but hmm.. this a wide screen lcd?
[07:44] <Nalioth> LaserLine: the program you ran talks to the HD's onboard processor
[07:44] <Nalioth> LaserLine: the onboard processor keeps tabs on the 'health' of the HD
[07:44] <CarlFK> nope.  P2-266, 1024x768
[07:44] <Nalioth> LaserLine: your HD is "failing_now"
[07:45] <Nalioth> LaserLine: as has been pointed out, you have hardware trouble
[07:45] <geeksauce> it says "the application 'rhthymbox' has quit unexpectedly" and gives me the option to restart the app, close, or inform developers
[07:45] <CarlFK> Dr_Willis - I am booting the ubuntu live CD.  the box has FC2 on it, and that runs at 1024
[07:45] <Dr_Willis> http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl  - is handy for my needs. you could copy the working X config over. and compare the 2
[07:45] <CarlFK> I am tempted to just cp xorg.conf and restart X.
[07:46] <CarlFK> will ctrl-alt-bs restart X on the live CD?
[07:46] <LaserLine> Nalioth, But only in the "Load_Cycle_Count"... (what that means?)
[07:47] <dabaR> CarlFK: ya.
[07:48] <LaserLine> Nalioth If I test it ? with -t long or short or offline....?
[07:48] <Nalioth> LaserLine: a hard drive is a precision instrument. if i got this on a production machine, i'd back up the data and buy a new HD
[07:50] <LaserLine> Nalioth It says the the Overall helth passed....
[07:52] <Nalioth> LaserLine: do as you wish. but hardware ill health WAS confirmed
[07:52] <LaserLine> Nalioth Ok... (2.5" HD are kinda expensive... already put 250$ for the laptop :( )
[07:53] <sjg> What speed laptop?
[07:53] <Nalioth> LaserLine: it aint the cost of the drive, it's the cost of labor to put it in
[07:53] <Madpilot> LaserLine: if you only paid $250 for the lappy, getting a new HD still makes it a fairly cheap laptop!
[07:53] <Carpe_Libertatem> When the next version of Ubuntu comes out, how would I upgrade?
[07:53] <sjg> Laptop drives are not too bad, My main computer is a laptop and I have 2 hdd's for it, One with win xp, the one it came with and another 60gb laptop drive for linux
[07:53] <LaserLine> Nalioth no no no... I paid 250$ to get the battery fixed and new ram...
[07:54] <LaserLine> Nalioth This was supposed to be my laptop for school (starting university)
[07:54] <Madpilot> Carpe_Libertatem: supposedly there'll be a big "Upgrade Now" button, like the red icons for regular updates that we already get...
[07:54] <dabaR> Carpe_Libertatem: /msg ubotu upgrade2breezy, and dont do it now, if you like to use your computer.
[07:54] <dabaR> Madpilot: really?
[07:54] <Hmmmm> LaserLine, where did u pick up the laptop? i am lookin for a cheap one myself
[07:54] <dabaR> that dont sound right.
[07:55] <Nalioth> LaserLine: what part of the country do you live in?
[07:55] <LaserLine> Nalioth It was my dad's.. It is 1.7KG with the battery (I live in Israel)
[07:56] <Nalioth> LaserLine: then go to your local electronics outlet and get another 20gb HD for it
[07:56] <Madpilot> dabaR: that's what I heard, but can't remember even who told me...
[07:56] <shadeofgrey> okay guys.  im finally fed up with openoffice.  whats the best alternative?
[07:57] <sjg> shadeofgrey: vim
[07:57] <sjg> :P
[07:57] <LaserLine> I hope i'll find one cheap (all are 80GB)
[07:57] <Madpilot> shadeofgrey: Koffice?
[07:57] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, that will not make breezy
[07:57] <tristanmike> shadeofgrey, what's wrong with OO.o?
[07:57] <dabaR> Madpilot: why it dont sound right to me, is cause that upgrade button pulls from the sources.list, which will still have hoary, and thus not know about the new packages in breezy...
[07:57] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: the fancy instant-upgrade thing? oh well...
[07:57] <shadeofgrey> trisstan:  its slow, very buggy, and they're taking forever with 2.0
[07:57] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, I think so
[07:58] <shadeofgrey> it crashes on me all the time...
[07:58] <shadeofgrey> and this is linux...  screw crashes
[07:58] <tristanmike> shadeofgrey, too bad, I've never had a problem
[07:58] <shadeofgrey> if i wanted that shit id go back to windows and use office
[07:58] <sjg> lol
[07:58] <shadeofgrey> tristan:  have you ever tried writing 400 page novels with it?
[07:59] <shadeofgrey> ive got 2 gigs of ram and it still chokes
[07:59] <tristanmike> shadeofgrey, no, but I haven't with Word either
[07:59] <shadeofgrey> thats unacceptyable
[07:59] <tristanmike> hope you have a spell check, lol
[07:59] <Hmmmm> LaserLine, check this out for HDD: http://clickserve.cc-dt.com/link/click?lid=41000000000558655&redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.compusa.com%2Fproducts%2Fproduct_info.asp%3F%26ref%3Dcj%26pfp%3Dcj%26product_code%3D316196
[07:59] <Xanthus7> Hello is there anything in ubuntu for twain drivers for a scanner
[08:00] <Burgundavia> XandriX, sane should work
[08:00] <LaserLine> Nalioth If the laptop's harddrive is Toshiba MK-1016GAP, What kind of drive should I get ?
[08:00] <Xanthus7> ok
[08:00] <Dr_Willis> all scanners use the "SANE" scaning tools   may want to check the SANE homepage for details on your speficic scanner.
[08:00] <geeksauce> ima try and compile and install the latest build.  what is a good c compiler to download?
[08:00] <LaserLine> It's for a Fujitsu-Siemens S-4546 laptop (P3-600, 256MB RAM Intel440MX Chipset)
[08:01] <dabaR> geeksauce: sudo aptitude install build-essential.
[08:01] <dabaR> then gcc
[08:01] <geeksauce> gcc?  you're talkin to a noob here...
[08:01] <aftertaf> shadeofgrey:  i find the beta version is quite stable already...
[08:01] <pablo928> I made a incorrect statement earlier. I said that my browser crashes as soon as it opens. Actually that's because the homepage is set to yahoo. I can accesws any other page without problems, but the browser crashes as soon as I go to a Yahoo page.
[08:01] <fr500> shadeofgrey, abbiword? (haven't tested it)
[08:01] <dabaR> gcc dabar.c
[08:01] <aftertaf> pablo928:  use google ;)
[08:02] <fr500> is 00.o2 faster?
[08:02] <dabaR> geeksauce: you can leave out teh noob parrt next time.
[08:02] <Madpilot> pablo928: yahoo is evil
[08:02] <aftertaf> looool Madpilot :)
[08:02] <pablo928> aftertaf- I've used Yahoo as my homepage for years.
[08:02] <LaserLine> It's this drive : http://www3.toshiba.co.jp/storage/english/spec/hdd/mk1016.htm
[08:02] <dabaR> that BROKEN_LADDER dude was weird with his paste.
[08:02] <aftertaf> true, but google does seem intent on world domination too... secret buyout by M$ maybe ;)
[08:02] <geeksauce> gotcha
[08:03] <aftertaf> pablo928:  only messing ;)
[08:03] <Dr_Willis> That would be amusing.
[08:03] <pablo928> aftertaf- Doesn't yahoo like firefox. Or is it the other way around?
[08:03] <aftertaf> never tried, pablo928, it is odd though...
[08:03] <sjg> Dr_Willis: GoogleLinux lol
[08:03] <djur> I can't figure out how to fix it.
[08:03] <Madpilot> pablo928: which URL crashed FF?
[08:03] <pablo928> I even have the Yahoo toolbar installed on firefox.
[08:04] <aftertaf> can you try konqueror, or nautilus... just to test.?
[08:04] <Dr_Willis> sjg,  is "GooLinux" better? :P isent that taken allready?
[08:04] <Dr_Willis> lol
[08:04] <KornFlamez> hello, i'm pretty new to linux, this may seem a simple problem but i would appreciate all your help ;  here it goes i installed a video player xine, according to ubuntuguide.org and now the default installed totom player doesn't start up anymore it gives the following error totem cannot be executed source occupied or not available ??
[08:04] <Madpilot> !tell KornFlamez about ubuntuguide
[08:04] <pablo928>  Madpilot- Any Yahoo page.....let me try yahoo.com
[08:04] <brownie17> !tell brownie17 about cle
[08:04] <dabaR> KornFlamez: tell us about whether esd is running.
[08:04] <brownie17> !tell brownie17 about cli
[08:05] <dabaR> and KornFlamez tell us about whether you use gnome.
[08:05] <sjg> Dr_Willis: lol, I think im just too taken with ubuntu, I switched from Redhat which i started with back around the 5.2 era to debian for a short time, then started using ubuntu around warty initial release and have been here ever since.
[08:05] <djur> what about installing the "how to turn on numlock on gnome startup?" would cause a USB keyboard to stop working.  I even removed the line I added to /etc/x11/gdm/init/default   and it still isn't working.
[08:05] <fr500> KornFlamez, i would get totem-xine
[08:05] <KornFlamez> i use gnome yes, i got cd mailed to my frontdoor
[08:05] <Nalioth> LaserLine: you get sorted?
[08:05] <AvatarofVirgo> I installed Ubuntu as a dual boot next to SUSE.  I'm on SUSE right now because I can't get my external serial modem to work with Ubuntu.  Can some one help me?
[08:06] <Madpilot> pablo928: www.yahoo.com just loaded fine for me, in both Opera & FF
[08:06] <KornFlamez> madpilot is there something i have to know about ubuntuguide ( i know it says unofficial at the top of page ) but besides that?
[08:06] <pablo928> Madpilot- Any Yahoo page including Yahoo.com is crashing my browser.
[08:06] <fr500> pablo928, same for me
[08:06] <brownie17> djur: that sounds really helpful actually, i wish mine would start on, but is it likely that it would cause those problems with every keyboard, or is your case an individual
[08:06] <fr500> KornFlamez, u got me?
[08:06] <LaserLine> Nalioth sorted ?
[08:07] <aftertaf> pablo928:  try just plain mozilla, see if same happens... maybe remove/purge then reinstall ? :/
[08:07] <KornFlamez> can i just apt-get that?
[08:07] <fr500> yws
[08:07] <Madpilot> brownie17: I've got numlockx running on this PS/2 keyboard, and it works just fine
[08:07] <benplaut> why do so many *nx users despise and take offense at Nano/Pico?
[08:07] <fr500> **yes
[08:07] <geeksauce> dabaR: i am still unclear about what i am supposed to do with gcc dabar.c
[08:07] <Nalioth> LaserLine: decide what you are gonna do?
[08:07] <Madpilot> benplaut: because they aren't as cool/complicated as emacs or vi?
[08:07] <apokryphos> benplaut: they do? Haven't noticed it. Many old-school users consider nano pseudo-vim
[08:07] <dabaR> geeksauce: what are you trying to compile?
[08:08] <sjg> mmmm vi ....
[08:08] <sjg> I <3 vi
[08:08] <pablo928> ) Madpilot- it worked just fine on this box also until I installed the latest Breezy upgrades.
[08:08] <apokryphos> I seriously doubt users are more productive on vi[m]  than I am on Kate or Kwrite.
[08:08] <Madpilot> pablo928: ah, OK. still using Hoary here
[08:08] <fr500> apokryphos, or even nano
[08:08] <geeksauce> dabar: rhthymbox 0.9.0
[08:08] <sjg> apokryphos: I think its just a personal preference.
[08:09] <dabaR> geeksauce: why, and where did you get the source?
[08:09] <sjg> apokryphos: I use vi and/or abiword 99% of the time
[08:09] <pablo928> ) Madpilot- I am too on another box. This one is just to play with.
[08:09] <apokryphos> sjg: I still can't help but think users are with vi[m]  to specifically stay old-school, and not accepting full GUI.
[08:09] <apokryphos> sjg: not all, of course.
[08:09] <LaserLine> Nalioth - Trying to install with ReiserFS (i;m going the HARD WAY!) if it'll crash i'll look for a new hardrive, could you help me out with the hardrive choise ? I have this drive: http://www3.toshiba.co.jp/storage/english/spec/hdd/mk1016.htm and found a toshiba drive for cheap (under 100$) here: http://www.toshiba-europe.com/storage/products/otherdocs/Brochures/SDDBrochure_02-2005.pdf
[08:09] <benplaut> apokryphos, what do you consider Emacs users?
[08:09] <Madpilot> apokryphos: interesting theory...
[08:10] <sjg> emacs, ...eww
[08:10] <sjg> I absolutely abhor emacs
[08:10] <LaserLine> Nalioth the MK4032GAX
[08:10] <sjg> Id rather use ms office than emacs
[08:10] <apokryphos> benplaut: I don't really use it; I don't generally use vi much either
[08:10] <dabaR> ok, this is off topic... sjg
[08:10] <geeksauce> because 0.8.8 crashes when i have my ipod connected; got the source from http://www.gnome.org/projects/rhythmbox/download.html
[08:10] <LaserLine> Nalioth, I'm don't really know what HD this laptop would take (today it's 4200RPM, with 1MB Buffer 9.5MM)
[08:11] <dabaR> geeksauce: is there compilation instructions? did you install build-essential?
[08:11] <djur> how would I list drives available to be mounted?
[08:11] <Nalioth> LaserLine: any 2.5" you find will do, i'm sure
[08:11] <dabaR> djur: how many hard disks do you have?
[08:11] <dabaR> sudo fdisk -l djur
[08:11] <geeksauce> dabar: i installed build-essential, but i am not sure what you meant by gcc dabar.c
[08:12] <pablo928> ) Madpilot-just tried google.com and it crashed too, but MSN.com works. It this a plot?
[08:12] <KornFlamez> thx alot that solved it
[08:12] <dabaR> geeksauce: it was an example, and a wrong one to that.
[08:12] <sjg> pablo928: Thats realllllllly weird
[08:12] <dabaR> geeksauce: did you untar the source?
[08:12] <geeksauce> yeah
[08:12] <djur> hm..
[08:12] <djur> can you mount a drive from the live system?
[08:12] <LaserLine> darn, I need to buy an LCD Screen, Speakers and now a Hard-drive !?! (the LCD and speakers are for my desktop - moving out)
[08:13] <aftertaf> breezy bug?
[08:13] <djur> says it doesn't exist in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[08:13] <aftertaf> does it just die?
[08:13] <aftertaf> pablo928:  ?
[08:13] <pablo928>  sjg:I know. I'm still laughing about it. But I shouldn't be. I also use Yahoo mail.
[08:13] <sjg> LaserLine: college is expensive, buy less beer :p
[08:13] <aftertaf> !tell djur about mount
[08:13] <Epix> Hey. Can anyone recomend some free console-only games? I would expecally like a multiplayer one. Any suggestions?
[08:13] <djur> since that's the live systems fstab and mtab..  I don't think I can do anything about it...
[08:13] <sjg> pablo928: I just hit yahoo and a ton of other sites no issues here
[08:13] <sjg> pablo928: Just curious what release are you on and have you upgraded your browser ?
[08:14] <aftertaf> djur:  with just the mount command, maybe, but not automount...
[08:14] <LaserLine> LoL
[08:14] <tristanmike> what do you mean by "console" Epix?
[08:14] <LaserLine> Nalioth, Should I go for 4200 or 5400 ? (now it's 4200)
[08:14] <Epix> tristanmike: as in, not in X
[08:14] <LaserLine> Nalioth - It's kind of an old laptop...
[08:14] <pablo928>  sjg:On my hoary box it works fine too. It's just on this breezy box after I loaded the latest upgrades a few minutes ago.
[08:14] <tristanmike> ahhh
[08:15] <sjg> LaserLine: Id get  a 5400 or if you can afford it a 7200
[08:15] <sjg> LaserLine: the 7200 rpm drives are slightly expensive.
[08:15] <_mindspin> hi, I have a call to a .sh script in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh which mounts samba shares automatically on boot, I get a"permission denied", the script is owned by root. anny idea how to make it work on boot?
[08:15] <LaserLine> ok...
[08:15] <sjg> pablo928: im on breezy currently, with a freshly upgraded system and it works perfect.
[08:15] <Nalioth> LaserLine: whatever is cheaper, keep in mind the heat issues
[08:15] <dabaR> geeksauce: do you have a terminal open in the folder that you untared to?
[08:15] <CarlFK> _mindspin - why not put them in fstab?
[08:15] <aftertaf> _mindspin:  put it elsewhere and make a sym link in /etc/init.d
[08:15] <Nalioth> sjg: this is for a laptop
[08:16] <_mindspin> it does not work from fstab
[08:16] <sjg> Nalioth, my laptop is using a hitachi 2.5 inch 60gb 7200 rpm drive /shrug
[08:16] <geeksauce> dabaR: yes
[08:16] <dabaR> ./configure
[08:16] <djur> okay.. so I screwed up my system and can't use my USB keyboard....  I can't mount the drive from the live system...  how can I fix this?  is there anything remotely like a recovery feature (beside the one in the boot menu)?
[08:16] <apokryphos> _mindspin: did you chmod it?
[08:16] <CarlFK> _mindspin - um, mine do.  whats wrong with yours ?
[08:16] <_mindspin> yes its chmodded
[08:16] <LaserLine> NAlioth... Hope it won't crash again ... (Or I  will have to buy a new drive)
[08:17] <geeksauce> dabar: i compiled it per the instructions in the readme, and got some errors...
[08:17] <apokryphos> _mindspin: a symlink as suggested will of course work, though.
[08:17] <sjg> LaserLine: I suggest backing up anything important.
[08:17] <dabaR> !compiling
[08:17] <_mindspin> CarlFK could you post it somewhere?,
[08:17] <dabaR> !compiling
[08:17] <Nalioth> LaserLine: it is not a "if" it is a "when"
[08:17] <apokryphos> dabaR: too long for here, I think.
[08:17] <Nalioth> dabar write one
[08:17] <Nalioth> dabaR: use /msg
[08:18] <dabaR> ya, thanks.
[08:18] <Nalioth> sjg: LaserLine posted his S.M.A.R.T report. his HD is failing
[08:18] <_mindspin> apokryphos: I'll have a try with the symlink
[08:18] <sjg> Nalioth, yeah i read it
[08:18] <pablo928>  sjg- I can't imagine what caused my problem. Maybe I need to reinstall firefox.
[08:18] <geeksauce> dabaR: checking for hal >= 0.2.92 hal < 0.5 gnome-vfs-2.0 >= 2.7.4... Package hal was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[08:18] <geeksauce> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `hal.pc'
[08:18] <geeksauce> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
[08:18] <sjg> Nalioth, Id be removing that drive asafp
[08:18] <CarlFK> _mindspin //cnt496/d      /mnt/smb/cnt496/d        smbfs  username=carl,password=xyz,noauto 0 0
[08:18] <apokryphos> geeksauce: please don't paste in here.
[08:18] <CarlFK> that is the line from fstab
[08:18] <geeksauce> my bad
[08:18] <sjg> pablo928: remove, purge, reinstall firefox might fix it :P
[08:19] <LaserLine> Nalioth...nothing is important on it now :D
[08:19] <_mindspin> CarlFK: thats exactly (beside path and user;-) what I had in fstab
[08:19] <aftertaf> like i said....
[08:19] <sjg> LaserLine: Till you get a new drive, be religious about backing it up :P
[08:19] <apokryphos> geeksauce: try exporting the variable then and recompile
[08:19] <pablo928>  sjg- the removal and reinstall is easy, but how do I purge?
[08:19] <Nalioth> LaserLine: and dont put anything important on it
[08:19] <LaserLine> Atleast I studied linux on it.......... I like it D
[08:19] <CarlFK> _mindspin - what about the "noauto" ?
[08:19] <djur> I'm trying to add hda1 to my fstab file...   what is the syntax?
[08:20] <LaserLine> Nalioth should I install the Smart Deamon on the laptop ?
[08:20] <dabaR> night
[08:20] <aftertaf> djur:  did you check the link?
[08:20] <apokryphos> djur: well, what is it you're mounting?
[08:20] <djur> my hard drive
[08:20] <geeksauce> apokryphos: exporting the variable?
[08:20] <_mindspin> I had it in, no work replaced it and added gid and uid for getting write access
[08:20] <Nalioth> LaserLine: it's only gonna count down the inevitable
[08:20] <apokryphos> djur: obviously. What filetype, and what do you plan the mountpoint being
[08:20] <aftertaf> lol apokryphos :)
[08:21] <damone> hi everyone!
[08:21] <apokryphos> geeksauce: yes, as it says. export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/lib/pgkconfig/
[08:21] <damone> i really need help with ubuntu install
[08:21] <NoUse> damone what kind of problem are you having?
[08:21] <damone> it loops the user password step
[08:21] <djur> uhm...  it's  ffa3 or something like that.. the default file system...  and /dev/hda1   *           1<PHONE_NUMBER>   83  Linux
[08:21] <djur> is what I get from fdisk -l
[08:21] <aftertaf> erf...
[08:21] <NoUse> damone is this a downloaded CD?
[08:22] <damone> yes i downloaded the cd
[08:22] <damone> the install works ok till user pass step
[08:22] <dabaR> geeksauce: I strongly suggest you read compilation instructions on the site if there are any.
[08:22] <NoUse> damone did you you use bittorrent or just the web?
[08:22] <damone> the web
[08:23] <aftertaf> and.... are you actually putting in a password (sorry for the silly question)
[08:23] <Nalioth> damone: did you md5 checksum your iso image b4 you burnt it?
[08:23] <apokryphos> djur: ok.... /dev/hda1       /mount/point           ext3    defaults        0       2
[08:23] <apokryphos> djur: I take it it's ext3...
[08:23] <aftertaf> apokryphos:  83 ;)
[08:23] <djur> yeah I think that's it :)
[08:23] <damone> yes i input passwords but the screens dosnt show anything, not even *s
[08:24] <apokryphos> aftertaf: ?
[08:24] <aftertaf> damone:  thats normal.
[08:24] <dabaR> what is this supposed to mean? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1810
[08:24] <dabaR> I get it on xine too.
[08:24] <aftertaf> apokryphos:  83 = fs type, right?
[08:24] <NoUse> damone did you md5 checksum the image?
[08:25] <apokryphos> aftertaf: 83 = ext3, yes.
[08:25] <damone> actually im installing in spanish language... but i dont think thats the prob
[08:25] <brownie17> madpilot: i'm having a bit of trouble
[08:25] <damone> nope, i didnt check, but im sure its working ok
[08:25] <NoUse> damone obviously its not
[08:25] <damone> well yes
[08:25] <damone> but i guess mn
[08:25] <brownie17> madpilot: I put a shortcut to a program i have into the applications directory, and it for some reason loses its cutom icon as soon as i do
[08:25] <geeksauce> apokryphos: did that, recompiled...same error, among a few other similar ones
[08:26] <damone> maybe its something else
[08:26] <apokryphos> geeksauce: what is it you're compiling?
[08:26] <geeksauce> apokryphos: rhthymboc 0.9.0
[08:26] <NoUse> damone do you have the iso file handy?
[08:26] <CarlFK> anyone know the growisofs command to erase and burn an image to a CD-RW?
[08:27] <apokryphos> geeksauce: are you specifying the gnome prefix on configure, whatever it is...
[08:27] <apokryphos> geeksauce: try using build-dep, too.
[08:27] <Madpilot> brownie17: using .desktop files?
[08:27] <brownie17> madpilot: yes
[08:27] <brownie17> madpilot:
[08:27] <damone> wow.... i think i messed up the partitions, because i did a default install and now it just worked ok
[08:27] <geeksauce> apokryphos: i'm not sure what the gnome prefix is
[08:27] <NoUse> damone cool
[08:27] <LaserLine> Guys, I silly GMAIL Question... How do I disable the option it adds the original message to the replied one (I'm reading the help, and can't find a thing)
[08:28] <damone> i was trying to make a fat 32 partion to transfer files from windows
[08:28] <Nalioth> geeksauce: pardon me, but what are you trying?
[08:28] <damone> but i think i messed up
[08:28] <Madpilot> brownie17: hmmm, I've used one and built a 2nd one, and they just worked - see wiki.ubuntu.com/OperaBrowser for a sample .desktop file...
[08:28] <brownie17> laserline: Gmail kicks hotmails behind any day
[08:28] <apokryphos> geeksauce: sudo apt-get build-dep rhythmbox
[08:28] <brownie17> madpilot: i have done others that worked fine, but this one won't
[08:28] <LaserLine> brownie17 I know, but I don't find that option I asked about.......
[08:28] <apokryphos> geeksauce: I think you can probably use /usr/local
[08:29] <damone> anyway
[08:29] <geeksauce> Nalioth: ./configure --enable-ipod
[08:29] <Madpilot> brownie17: pastebin it, somebody can probably pick it apart
[08:29] <Madpilot> !pastebin
[08:29] <ubotu> pastebin is probably a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[08:29] <damone> how i can make a fat32 partition on ubuntu??
[08:29] <Nalioth> geeksauce: do what apokryphos said about build-dep
[08:29] <carthik> !fat32
[08:29] <ubotu> somebody said fat32 was http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[08:29] <Nalioth> geeksauce: then try it again
[08:29] <Nalioth> damone: use qtparted
[08:30] <Nalioth> carthik: no, that's for mounting an existing fat32 partition
[08:30] <carthik> damone, it is one of the options you can choose when you create the partitions.. man mkfs for details
[08:30] <carthik> Nalioth, yeah, i just wanted to know what !fat32 would pull up
[08:30] <Nalioth> carthik: you can /msg the bot and keep channel flotsam down
[08:31] <brownie17> laserline: it is still in BETA testing stages, maybe when the official release comes out it will be more customisable
[08:31] <geeksauce> apokryphos: thanks, i'm giving that a shot now
[08:31] <brownie17> madpilot: ok
[08:31] <damone> thanx
[08:31] <carthik> Nalioth, thanks
[08:33] <damone> is there any introduction on how to use apt-get???
[08:33] <damone> im such a n00b to linux
[08:33] <damone> lol
[08:33] <NoUse> damone use synaptic
[08:33] <dabaR> oooh...I borked my X, I installed fluxbox, and now gdm restarts all the time when I get to it, like, just keeps flashing...
[08:33] <geneo93> man apt-get
[08:33] <Nalioth> damone: synaptic is the easiest way
[08:33] <Madpilot> !tell damone about synaptic
[08:34] <apokryphos> damone: check the wiki
[08:34] <damone> thanx
[08:35] <brownie17> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1811    cane somebody please take a look at this pastebin and tell me whats wrong?
[08:35] <geeksauce> apokryphos: i'm still getting the same errors
[08:35] <konra`> hey, anyone know how to let windows computers access your CUPS printer through samba?
[08:35] <apokryphos> geeksauce: did you do both of those things? Can you pastebin the full output?
[08:35] <Nalioth> geeksauce: what errors are those?
[08:35] <_mindspin> ok the symlink didn#t work /no connection" i guess I#ll have to call it alittle later....
[08:35] <apokryphos> geeksauce: s/output/error output
[08:36] !lilo:*! Earthlink has set up a database site to help connect Hurricane Katrina victims with friends and relatives.... http://hurricane.earthlink.net/ .... please pass that around to anyone who might need to know
[08:36] <brownie17> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1811    cane somebody please take a look at this pastebin and tell me whats wrong?
[08:36] <Madpilot> konra`: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba - seems to have at least most of the info you need
[08:37] <brownie17> '
[08:37] <apokryphos> geeksauce: do you have a proper pkgconfig directory? Did you make sure you specified it exact on the export?
[08:37] <brownie17> '
[08:37] <Nalioth> !tell brownie17 about smeg
[08:37] <brownie17> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1811    cane somebody please take a look at this pastebin and tell me whats wrong?
[08:37] <Nalioth> brownie17: read what the bot send you
[08:37] <Nalioth> brownie17: let the tool do the work
[08:37] <brownie17> nalioth: I cannot install smeg from synpatic due to an error that no-one seems to know how to resolve
[08:37] <apokryphos> brownie17: and don't needlessly repeat :P
[08:37] <Nalioth> brownie17: not from repos, use the "installsmeg" script
[08:38] <geeksauce> apokryphos: i just copied and pasted from the line you supplied
[08:38] <brownie17> apokryphos: sorry
[08:38] <brownie17> nalioth: installsmeg script?
[08:38] <brownie17> sudo apt-get installsmeg?
[08:38] <apokryphos> geeksauce: don't; check that it exists
[08:38] <Nalioth> brownie17: read what ubotu sent you, go to the URL and get the script
[08:38] <geeksauce> apokryphos: k hold on a sec
[08:39] <apokryphos> geeksauce: should be /usr/lib/pkgconfig
[08:39] <geeksauce> apokryphos: yep, it exists
[08:40] <brownie17> nalioth: i have the script, how do i use it?
[08:40] <apokryphos> geeksauce: make sure you export the variable properly, then.
[08:40] <geeksauce> apokryphos: how do i do that?
[08:40] <apokryphos> geeksauce: export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/lib/pkgconfig/
[08:40] <djur> I get this error when trying to remove a package I installed using apt-get:  Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[08:40] <pundai> hi
[08:40] <djur> Does anyone know what could be using that?
[08:41] <geeksauce> apokryphos: yeah i did that already
[08:41] <pundai> i cant get my wireless set up with ubuntu
[08:41] <apokryphos> geeksauce: and in the same terminal re-run the configure..making sure you specify the prefix. If you get errors, pastebin then.
[08:41] <pundai> i think ipv6 is enabled
[08:41] <NoUse> brownie17 give the file executable permssions and then run it
[08:41] <apokryphos> geeksauce: do that *exact* export.
[08:41] <Nalioth> djur: close all instances of apt or dpkg you have running
[08:41] <brownie17> nouse: ok, if i can
[08:41] <CaiN_SA> djur, you need to use root :)
[08:41] <NoUse> djur you have another instance of apt or synatpic running
[08:41] <Nalioth> djur: or use sudo when you issue the command
[08:41] <geeksauce> apokryphos: how do i specify the prefix?
[08:41] <apokryphos> geeksauce: erm, you didn't specify it before? :)
[08:41] <dreamie> pundai is sean connery
[08:41] <apokryphos> geeksauce: ./configure --prefix=/usr/local
[08:41] <omp342> does anyone know an estimate of when breezy is coming out?
[08:42] <pundai> dreamie i am
[08:42] <NoUse> omp342 october 15
[08:42] <CaiN_SA> omp342, i would also like to know
[08:42] <geneo93> oct
[08:42] <dreamie> how old are you sean connery?
[08:42] !lilo:*! <dangle> hey mate, just wondering if you wouldn't mind spamming the red cross Katrina collection as well? <dangle> https://secure2.convio.net/arc/site/Donation?ACTION=SHOW_DONATION_OPTIONS&CAMPAIGN_ID=1161
[08:42] <omp342> NoUse: thanks :)
[08:42] <pundai> dreamie i forget
[08:42] <Dr_Willis> "when its done" :P
[08:42] <pundai> but i still get chicks
[08:42] <omp342> i'll probably switch from gentoo to ubuntu when breezy comes out
[08:42] <Nalioth> apokryphos: is --prefix=/usr/local necessary? most source defaults to that
[08:42] <dreamie> haha pundai
[08:42] <djur> I used sudo when I issued the command
[08:42] <pundai> but seriously
[08:42] <djur> I forget how to list open processes...
[08:42] <dreamie> is everyone getting a message from lilo?
[08:42] <pundai> how the hell do i set up my wifi
[08:42] <djur> what was it again?
[08:42] <dreamie> !lilo:*!?
[08:42] <ERMAC> Ubuntu.com lets you order their cd in bundles, exactly how many will they allow you to order. I work for a college, and passing this out would be a great idea.
[08:42] <pundai> and ensure ipv6 is disabled
[08:43] <hermit> everyone always gets messages from lilo
[08:43] <apokryphos> Nalioth: by default you should specify the prefix, when compiling programs, yes.
[08:43] <Madpilot> djur: top?
[08:43] <geneo93> not i
[08:43] <brownie17> nalioth: you are a genius
[08:43] <geeksauce> apokryphos: it says to add --enable-ipod   do i put that before or after the prefix?
[08:43] <apokryphos> geeksauce: either
[08:43] <CaiN_SA> ERMAC, prolly as much as you want, just say somewhere i want TONS for giving away at college
[08:43] <NoUse> djur I would do 'ps aux | grep dpkg' or 'ps aux | grep apt'
[08:43] <LaserLine> brownie17 so I guess there is no way of changing this Gmail behaviour ?
[08:43] <CaiN_SA> then they wont have a problem
[08:44] <apokryphos> djur: did you close a terminal while apt/dpkg was running?
[08:44] <djur> okay how do I exit top?
[08:44] <NoUse> djur q
[08:44] <brownie17> laserline: not that i know of
[08:44] <ERMAC> how long as this distro been out? I mean heck, I never heard of it before, until about 3 weeks ago
[08:44] <djur> my live environment kinda crashed so I have only one terminal left :(
[08:45] <carthik> ERMAC 2004 october
[08:45] <Burgundavia> ERMAC, we are nearing our 3rd 6-month release
[08:45] <brownie17> nalioth: when i go to run smeg, it has that "starting SMEG" in the panel, but then it just never opens
[08:45] <pundai> ok so any ideas how to trouble shoot the stupid wifi
[08:45] <pundai> and make sure ipv6 is not on
[08:45] <Nalioth> brownie17: hmmm
[08:45] <pundai> my router doesnt support it
[08:45] <geeksauce> apokryphos:  tried it again, this time with prefix, but same story
[08:45] <ERMAC> damn, nice stuff done to it.  Maybe this will wake Microsuck up, and get them to actual care about their users, instead of their wallets.
[08:45] <Kleggas> is there any terminal applikation similiar to firestarter?
[08:46] <NoUse> !wifi
[08:46] <ubotu> somebody said wifi was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[08:46] <apokryphos> geeksauce: then please pastebin the output
[08:46] <pef> morning
[08:46] <aftertaf> morning ;)
[08:46] <Nalioth> Kleggas: http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/table.shtml
[08:46] <carthik> pef: depends on where you are from, really
[08:46] <pundai> ubotu ok this room is very noisy so i didnt see it thanks
[08:46] <ubotu> pundai: okay
[08:46] <aftertaf> ERMAC:  :)
[08:46] <geeksauce> apokryphos:  how do i pastebin?
[08:46] <bob2> ERMAC: ubuntu began in april or so 2004
[08:46] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell geeksauce about pastebin
[08:46] <pundai> err im talking to a bot
[08:47] <geeksauce> apokryphos: and last time i  got told not to paste in here...should i pm you?
[08:47] <pef> carthik: difficult to ask to all people here ;)
[08:47] <ERMAC> Who created this distro anyway?
[08:47] <brownie17> !tell geeksauce about pastebin
[08:47] <Myrtti> !pastebin
[08:47] <ubotu> hmm... pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[08:47] <Dr_Willis> space aliens.
[08:47] <apokryphos> geeksauce: you shouldn't paste in here, you should use a pastebin service. Ubotu just /msg you one
[08:47] <aftertaf> pundai:  lol, you find it happens a lot!!
[08:47] <carthik> ERMAC, http://www.ubuntu.com/
[08:47] <NoUse> pundai you just taught the bot something
[08:47] <geeksauce> apokryphos: k hang on a sec
[08:47] <brownie17> nalioth: no ideas?
[08:47] <NoUse> !tell pundai about ok this room
[08:47] <apokryphos> ERMAC: Mark Shuttleworth
[08:48] <pundai> NoUse haha
[08:48] <NoUse> ubotu forget ok this room