[00:00] <quants> Bashing-om http://paste.ubuntu.com/6968310/
[00:00] <Brian666>  Free Windows 7 Machine ! Connect via  Team Viewer User ID:  826749216 Password : 5026
[00:00] <Bashing-om> quants: looking at 8310
[00:01] <grisza> Jordan_U   I change BIOSS on usb first , but when i restart is write "boot error
[00:02] <hitsujiTMO> AssociateX: ok. seems that has a DV connection for video transfer
[00:02] <asdfasdfasdf> hitsujiTMO somethings acting up when i do apt-get update it says this error    W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net lucid Release: The following signatures could not be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY D8D75E403EBCE749
[00:04] <hitsujiTMO> asdfasdfasdf: sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys D8D75E403EBCE749
[00:05] <tripelb2> this place does not answer my questions any more. years ago it was different. Very busy very pro.
[00:05] <hitsujiTMO> AssociateX: you need to connect it via firewire/DV to get the video off AND you need to use editing software too. not sure what is available on linux for that
[00:05] <Bashing-om> quants: It is there, so we are good ! .. next is to edit the file. -> gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list <- Arrown down to line 62 "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu precise partner"arrow over to the end of the line, and carefully backspace out that entire line and the line 61 preceeding it. save the file and exit back to terminal. pastebin when done so I can see.
[00:07] <AssociateX> hitsujiTMO, ok, I was using the usb port. I will look for a DV cord.
[00:07] <hitsujiTMO> AssociateX: openshot should work
[00:07] <AssociateX> thank you
[00:07] <damagna_> tripelb2: +
[00:10] <grisza> Jordan_U   I change BIOSS on usb first , but when i restart is write "boot error
[00:11] <Jordan_U> grisza: Is this a BIOS based or UEFI based system?
[00:11] <grisza> i dont know what you mean
[00:12] <grisza> UEFI ?
[00:12] <quants> Bashing-om line 62 didn't exist in the original file http://paste.ubuntu.com/6968373/
[00:14] <Bashing-om> Qasker: Your http://paste.ubuntu.com/6968166/ refers, it is there !
[00:14] <Qasker> excuse me?
[00:14] <grisza> Jordan_U what you mean?
[00:15] <Qasker> Bashing-om ?
[00:16] <Jordan_U> grisza: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface
[00:17] <Qasker> Bashing-om please do not highlight me if you have nothing to say
[00:18] <Bashing-om> Qasker: sorry bout that, not paying proper attention, Will pay closer attention.
[00:20] <Bashing-om> quants: Do not know what you did or did not do. A duplication still exist in that last pastbin. Did you only remove one line ?
[00:20] <funky> hello
[00:21] <funky> who here used XRDP?
[00:21] <quants> Bashing-om yes i only took away line 61
[00:25] <Qasker> thank you
[00:25] <Bashing-om> quants: OK, my instructions were to remove two lines. at that time it was lines 61 and 62, now remove the last line (60) as it is a duplication of line 53.
[00:26] <quants> Bashing-om got you :0
[00:28] <quants> Bashing-om done
[00:29] <quants> I did wonder but the number of lines through me a little.
[00:29] <wolfy1339> how do i make apt not remove packages when installing a new package
[00:30] <Bashing-om> quants: Great. let's fire for effect, -> sudo apt-get update , sudo apt-get upgrade <- We want to see no errors !
[00:31] <hitsujiTMO> wolfy1339: don't install conflicting packages then
[00:31] <AlecTaylor> hi
[00:32] <asdfasdfasdf> hitsujiTMO I have a wierd error where if i create something on my regular user acccount my root account doesnt even think its there it just says like There is no directory of that name or something like that and I cant login to ftp as root to send over files and theres a dilemma   because i cant use java commands as user but i can use them as root but i cant see any files that i transfer over
[00:32] <quants> Bashing-om http://paste.ubuntu.com/6968439/
[00:32] <asdfasdfasdf> AS root and but i can as user
[00:33] <Bashing-om> quants: looking at 8439
[00:34] <lebafar> How do I figure the ip of at an ubuntu server?
[00:34] <wafflejock> lebafar: where is the server?
[00:34] <lebafar> wafflejock, here.
[00:34] <Bashing-om> quants: Outstanding ! You do good work. Any questions as to what we did and why ?
[00:34] <wafflejock> if you're logged in locally you can use ifconfig
[00:35] <snadge> 12.04 lts doesnt fit on a cdrom does it?
[00:35] <wafflejock> if it has a DNS name you can use nslookup to find the IP
[00:35] <wafflejock> snadge: no
[00:35] <wafflejock> snadge: you need the minimal install CD I believe for any of the modern version or else a DVD or flash drive
[00:35] <lebafar> wafflejock, I need to figure a  way to set ip, router, mas e dns new.
[00:36] <lebafar> mask*
[00:36] <snadge> wafflejock: i need a recovery environment that will boot off cdrom though
[00:36] <ruien> lebafar: depends what you're trying to do. If you're just trying to get your IP as the external world sees it, try "curl http://ifconfig.me/". If you're trying to set up static IPs and such, you do that in /etc/network/interfaces
[00:36] <snadge> basically need to dd the hard drive of an ancient obsolete system, to a network share
[00:36] <wafflejock> lebafar: can you do lsb_release -a in the terminal to get the exact version you're using, in general you should have a network applet in the panel you can use to edit the settings
[00:36] <quants> Bashing-om as I understand it we changed the file that the computer looks at when updating. ??
[00:37] <lebafar> wafflejock, 13.10
[00:37] <wafflejock> snadge: believe the LiveCD will work out
[00:37] <wafflejock> snadge: er rather minimal CD
[00:37] <Bashing-om> quants: Yep, somehow a duplication crept into the control file, and all we did was take the dupes out of it.
[00:37] <wafflejock> snadge: think it will give you a terminal where you can do what you need, alternatively Clonezilla works pretty well in my experience
[00:38] <wafflejock> it's a bootable CD with DD and some nice menus for handling setting up network interface and stuff before doing the dd
[00:38] <wafflejock> lebafar: normal Ubuntu with Unity?
[00:39] <lebafar> wafflejock, yes, server though.
[00:39] <quants> Bashing-om i can see all the logic behind oll this stuff but never know how to make the changes myself.
[00:39] <wafflejock> ah k
[00:39] <snadge> does clonezilla have gddrescue?
[00:39] <snadge> or does it just use a normal dd
[00:39] <wafflejock> snadge: I believe it's just regular dd not positive on that though
[00:40] <Bashing-om> quants: Hey, you have taken the 1st steps, one day you will be command line sumerai !
[00:40] <wafflejock> lebafar: I've done it before using my NAS but don't know well enough to guide you
[00:40] <quants> Bashing-om maybe :) thanks for your help, its very kind of you
[00:41] <Bashing-om> quants: If you are interested read -> man ls , man cp <- and from there follow your curiosity.
[00:41] <wafflejock> lebafar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zUx9pMXUps
[00:42] <wafflejock> lebafar: this looks similar to what I did (was on an old Debian distro called SARGE)
[00:43] <tripelb2> damagna_, did you type + because you wanted to address my question (hope!)
[00:43] <quants> Bashing-om now one question, is it worth changing to a higher distribution of ubuntu? im running 12.04 LTS atm. ill take a look at the book.
[00:43] <lebafar> wafflejock, I put it on bridge mode. Now I think it shall show me a nice ip :P
[00:44] <wafflejock> lebafar: ah yeah in VBox you need bridge mode to get it on the LAN
[00:52] <Jordan_U> guestasdfasdf: Vegue references to error messages aren't very helpful. How are you uploading files? What command are you running to check for these files?
[00:52] <ajoul> HOW TO FIND WHAT VERSION I HAVE OF UBUNTU?
[00:52] <daftykins> ajoul: cat /etc/issue *OR* lsb-release -a
[00:53] <kostkon> daftykins, actually it's lsb_release -a
[00:53] <iiie> On an ec2 instance, I'm getting forbidden for index and packages supposedly hosted in the same region as the server (and also in ec2).  Any ideas?
[00:53] <Jordan_U> ajoul: You have already been asked not to use all caps, please don't do it again.
[00:53] <daftykins> kostkon: good call, ty
[00:53] <ajoul> Jordan_U you have good memory. And sorry but I forget caps on sometimes
[00:53] <kostkon> daftykins, np
[00:53] <Bashing-1m> quants: Upgrading - kinda off topic- quickly, is a subjective thing. Do you value stability or the latest and greatest higher ? 12.04 has support 'till 2017 !
[00:53] <amdtech> iiie: i'm having trouble in us-west-2 for some packages 403, but fine in us-west-1... wonder if it's related? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6968357/
[00:54] <iiie> amdtech: worth a try, thanks!
[00:54] <Jordan_U> ajoul: Then you need to make sure that you look at your messages before you send them.
[00:54] <iiie> amdtech: exactly what I'm seeing too
[00:55] <ajoul> IS the bash considered the terminal?
[00:55] <aphor> Anyone running saucy on ZFS root?
[00:55] <Bitwise> Anyone have a moment? I'm really struggling to set up a simple mail server. I know asking to ask is bad but I have a lot to explain.
[00:55] <daftykins> ajoul: BASH is just one form of shell available within a terminal emulator
[00:56] <daftykins> Bitwise: if it's your first time find a guide, bear in mind you really need to have your wits about you to run your own mail server
[00:56] <aphor> Bitwise: IMHO there is no such thing as a simple mailserver.
[00:56] <ajoul> daftykins how do I run a .shell script through BASH
[00:56] <aphor> ajoul: how do I get banned?
[00:57] <ajoul> why aphor?
[00:57] <Bitwise> daftykins, I've been following this guide: http://flurdy.com/docs/postfix/ I'm not a total newbie but this is my first time trying to manage a server.
[00:57] <VoidWhisperer> Setting up a working GRE tunnel is probably one of the most annoying things I've done at this point..
[00:57] <guestasdfasdf> hi
[00:57] <aphor> ajoul: cat .shell|bash
[00:58] <quants> Bashing-om, to be honest i really happy with 12.04 LTS.
[00:58] <aphor> ajoul: it's rude to ask questions on IRC without trying to read the docs.
[00:59] <ajoul> I know how to execute a script such as ./something but I am not sure when I type it in terminal if that is Called BASH
[00:59] <aphor> ajoul: man ps
[00:59] <quants> Bashing-om sorry to go off topic.
[00:59] <aphor> ajoul: echo "$SHELL <-- this is the running shell"
[01:00] <aphor> ajoul: on a modern Linux system, unless you know better, the shell is always bash.
[01:01] <rodayo> I'm trying to do some basic lkm development. I'm using 12.04 and when I try to compile my C file, gcc tells me it's missing linux/modversions.h and linux/module.h
[01:01] <Bashing-om> quants: net split got me, had to /exit and re-initiate. But to upgrading, I value stability and Long Term Support ( I also quadruple boot) I have the LTS as my backup !
[01:01] <Jordan_U> !pm | guestasdfasdf
[01:01] <aphor> royado: you're missing a "*-headers" package probably...
[01:02] <quants> Bashing-om as a backup? how so?
[01:03] <Bashing-om> quants: My primary "working" install is the latest release as a minimal install, and only have the packages I actually use installed onto that system.
[01:04] <aphor> I'm going to make a rescue flashdrive, and use zfs snapshot.. then zfs send ..| zfs recieve .. on an external drive or system.
[01:04] <guestasdfasdf>
[01:04] <guestasdfasdf>  brb
[01:05] <lum> hi
[01:05] <aphor> Bashing-om: with ZFS and a rescue drive, you can switch back and forth between snapshot branches.
[01:05] <Bashing-om> quants: On this box, as my "backup" I have the standard 12.04. also 13.10 ubuntu, and 13.10 Lubuntu.
[01:05] <Greenbean60> Anyone got time to answer just one question from a complete non-techy
[01:05] <quants> Bashing-om I see, im not that clever yet.  all i want to do is work out how to stop google and other online applications and programs tracking everthing i do
[01:05] <aphor> Greenbean60: just ask
[01:06] <aphor> Greebean60: the worst we will do is ask you to go read docs at some URL..
[01:06] <Greenbean60> Setting up server, just need home server for two windows 7 PC's..do I want Samba file server?
[01:06] <quants> Bashing-om im fed up of the net knowing all about me!
[01:06] <Bashing-om> aphor; so true, but I do a lot of testing, and fault isolation, there is no substitute for the "bare metal".
[01:07] <chef> .join
[01:07] <chef> jnek
[01:08] <quants> Bashing-om its getting very 1984
[01:08] <KM0201> Greenbean60: what do you plan to use the homeserver for?
[01:08] <Bashing-om> quants: Do not figure that will happen !  In this world there is no way to hide !(your IP MUST be known in order for the thing to work).
[01:08] <Greenbean60> Media streaming, music, movies, etc
[01:09] <KM0201> Greenbean60: have you looked at a NAS solution?
[01:09] <Bitwise> Anyone have a moment? I'm really struggling to set up a simple mail server. I know asking to ask is bad but I have a lot to explain.
[01:09] <aphor> Bashing-om: ZFS is like havng a gaillion partitions without all the waste.
[01:09] <aphor> gazillion
[01:09] <KM0201> Greenbean60: instead of putting ubuntu desktop on a PC, just use a server or NAS OS.
[01:10] <Greenbean60> For a whole day, some sort of conflict booting. Several people had same issue, but no fixes on the board
[01:10] <daftykins> Bitwise: put it in a paste.ubuntu.com then link as you ask
[01:10] <Daekdroom> !maverick
[01:10] <daftykins> Greenbean60: samba will do straight file sharing
[01:10] <KM0201> Greenbean60: what do you mean?
[01:10] <quants> Bashing-om yup, but surely i had hide a little bit? i mean im hot on internet security but it seems evertime o go online the web seems to know evering about me before i do :/
[01:11] <aphor> !raring
[01:11] <Bashing-om> aphor: Believe me I have thought about it, For what and how I do; I like how I have things set up now ( takes only a tic to chroot into another environment).
[01:11] <Greenbean60> boot got hung up, "waiting on xtp file"
[01:12] <KM0201> Greenbean60: what were you trying to boot when you got that error?
[01:12] <quants> Bashing-om its clear i dont know enough about internet security
[01:12] <Greenbean60> freeNAS, believe I tried 9.2.1 and 9.1 both for 32bit
[01:13] <KM0201> http://www.openmediavault.org
[01:13] <Valduare> ahh finally got ubuntu on my macbook pro 7.1
[01:13] <Bashing-om> quants; Ultimately there is no way to hide, Your return address ( your IP ) is always presented, else the internet would not work.
[01:14] <Jordan_U> !tor | Bashing-om quants
[01:16] <funky> /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc: 8: .: Can't open /etc/X11/Xsession
[01:16] <funky> xinit: connection to X server lost
[01:17] <Bashing-om> Jordan_U: tor does give a geat deal of anomity. but even with tor, the IP is unmasked at the initiating and terminal ends.
[01:17] <funky> any idea what is causing it?
[01:17] <quants> Bashing-om Jordan_U ubottu thanks guys. im really just worried that these sites seem to hold too much information on me. i just wish i could clear it all and start again
[01:17] <rannonga> funky permission problem?
[01:18] <funky> what kind of permission problem?
[01:18] <KM0201> Greenbean60: did you check that link?
[01:18] <Jordan_U> Bashing-om: But the only way that your ip can be identified by someone who knows the tor exit node's ip is by controlling all of the nodes in between.
[01:20] <funky> anyone else know what could it be?
[01:20] <funky> /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc: 8: .: Can't open /etc/X11/Xsession
[01:20] <funky> xinit: connection to X server lost
[01:21] <Bashing-om> Jordan_U: Very well true, but if one has access to the term server, the IP can be cracked.
[01:21] <Jordan_U> Bashing-om: "The term server"?
[01:21] <tomreyn> funky: does this file exist?
[01:22] <Bashing-om> Jordan_U: Sorry, the terminal as final server in the links.
[01:22] <Jordan_U> Bashing-om: The tor exit node?
[01:23] <funky> tomreyn I just realised it does not
[01:23] <Bashing-om> Jordan_U: yes, as I understnd it.
[01:23] <tomreyn> funky: which ubuntu version?
[01:23] <funky> 13.10
[01:23] <Jordan_U> Bashing-om: The tor exit node does not know the ip of the machine whose packets it's forwarding.
[01:23] <tomreyn> funky: that's a desktop computer?
[01:24] <ajoul> How do I run a script named test.sh from BASH?
[01:24] <funky> its server with desktop installed
[01:24] <wafflejock>  ajoul: ./test.sh
[01:24] <wafflejock> ajoul: it has to be marked executable with chmod a+x test.sh
[01:24] <tomreyn> funky: how did this file vanish, any idea?
[01:24] <tomreyn> funky: because it should be there sif that's a system with X server
[01:25] <ruien> ajoul: "bash test.sh", or "./test.sh" if it has #!/bin/bash
[01:25] <tripleb> I inserted a bluetooth dongle. should is show up in slusb ?
[01:25] <tripleb> lsusb
[01:26] <tomreyn> funky: to restore the file, you can: sudo apt-get --reinstall install x11-common
[01:26] <quants> guys is it possible to clean and clear most of ones internet footprint to reduce the amount of information out there on ones self?
[01:26] <tripleb> I inserted a bluetooth dongle. It does not show up in lsusb ? Should it?
[01:26] <tripleb> quants, nope.
[01:26] <funky> tomreyn done file is not there
[01:27] <wafflejock> tripleb: yes it should
[01:27] <quants> tripleb not posible to start afresh then?
[01:27] <ruien> quants: not really
[01:27] <Valduare> quants: did you go to a naughty site on the family computer?
[01:27] <quants> ruien :(
[01:28] <Dry_Lips> Hi... How do you do sftp mounts with keys in never versions of Nautilus?
[01:28] <wb4bbc> I am helping a friend install Ubuntu he likes Pinguy 12.04, Would it be better to use a base install of Ubuntu and add the things he likes ?
[01:29] <quants> Valduare no i do all that on my computer ;) im just fed up with how much the internet seems to know about me!
[01:29] <tomreyn> funky: can you run this in a shell and post the output please: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get -n install; sudo apt-cache policy; sudo apt-get install ---reinstall y x11-common
[01:29] <aphor> quants: that's what live_cd/flash drive images are for.
[01:29] <tomreyn> funky: post it to a pastebin
[01:29] <funky> I am purginx x11-common already, then installing again
[01:29] <quants> aphor ?
[01:30] <tomreyn> funky: i thought you did this already and this was the result? <funky> tomreyn done file is not there
[01:30] <aphor> Dry_Lips: CTRL-L to get teh location bar, and type SFTP URI like "sftp://the.good.net/good/stuff"
[01:30] <rZ1to> Can someone explain why when I set my envior variables they are not getting wirtten?
[01:30] <aphor> quants: live-OS images don't save user state.
[01:31] <aphor> rZlto: the environment has two levels: current context and exported.
[01:31] <quants> aphor ooh, how do i get one of those lol
[01:31] <zacarias> Hi. I have a brand new computer (with nothing installed but Linux) which is supposed to have (and has it) 4 GB of RAM. However, the "hardinfo" tells me that it only has 3388 MB. Why is it so? I knowe that in Wndows there is this type of limitation, but does it exist in Linux also? I would like tu upgrade to 8 GB, but it's useless if it only uses 3388 MB
[01:31] <Dry_Lips> aphor: Yeah, that's thats the way you connect when you're NOT using keys...
[01:31] <wafflejock> quants: aphor: yeah but if you're logged into any service you're basically tracked, also using Google/YouTube/Facebook or anything you need to be logged in what about your smart device(s)
[01:32] <Beldar> zacarias, what linux did you install?
[01:32] <aphor> Dry_Lips: if you want to use keys, then ssh-add something beforehand.
[01:32] <Dry_Lips> aphor: I've done that
[01:32] <quants> the internet is really hard :/
[01:33] <aphor> Dry_Lips: your gnome-session isn't running under a ssh-agent.
[01:33] <aphor> wafflejock: I don't know, but I suspect there's a live-image somewhere with TOR.
[01:34] <Dry_Lips> aphor: hmm... so, what do I do then?
[01:34] <wafflejock> you gotta go RMS (stallman) and not have credit cards or a smart phone and use cash for everything, use YaCy and pay for or setup your own e-mail, use SSL and SSH everywhere and even so I believe the NSA can peek
[01:34] <aphor> Dry_Lips: exit to a command prompt, kill your lightdm, and then 'ssh-agent startx'
[01:35] <Dry_Lips> aphor: ok, I'll give it a try
[01:35] <aphor> Dry_Lips: if that works, delete all your .gnome-session or whatever files that might be screwing up your lightdm invoked session.
[01:37] <aphor> Dry_Lips: when your ssh-agent can put its environment in the environment of all your X clients, they can do ssh-agent passwordless ssh if they do ssh.
[01:37] <kongthap> when double click on .md file, i would like ubuntu to open ReText instead of gedit, please advice what to do
[01:38] <alexjusti> Does Ubuntu Server support ARMv6?
[01:38] <Dry_Lips> aphor: what I normally do is to put the ssh-add in my startup
[01:38] <Beldar> kongthap, right click .md file properties-open with
[01:38] <quants> wafflejock aphor Valduare ruien tripleb ubottu Jordan_U Bashing-om thank you guys for the help and advice, i am off for the night as i'm supposed to work tomorrow and have have not had any sleep :)
[01:38] <kongthap> Beldar, where most ubuntu app are installed?
[01:39] <Beldar> kongthap, In the OS be specific and give a context.
[01:39] <kongthap> Beldar, is it some kind of edit the config file instead of right click?, asking just in case
[01:40] <Beldar> depends of what DE you are using I would suspect
[01:40] <quants> Bashing-om thank you especially :)
[01:40] <kongthap> Beldar, i'm using 13.04 unity
[01:41] <ajoul> HOW to see if 64 or 32 bit version is installeD?
[01:41] <ajoul> asap
[01:41] <ajoul> fast
[01:41] <ajoul> help
[01:41] <Beldar> kongthap, I'm not sure of the question nor sure of it's validity overall to be honest.
[01:41] <funky> tomreyn I reinstalled x11 and Xfce
[01:41] <Beldar> !enter | ajoul
[01:41] <tomreyn> kongthap: your ubuntu verison is unsupported, you need to upgrade
[01:42] <funky> during Xfce install it gives error
[01:42] <funky> cant connect to d bus something
[01:42] <ajoul> How to see if 64 or 32 bit version of UBUNTU!!!!! is installed?
[01:42] <kongthap> tomreyn, yeah but i'm really waiting for 14.04 because 13.10 causes me problem with localization
[01:43] <tomreyn> funky: interesting. did you ask a question?
[01:43] <pibby> ajoul: file /sbin/init
[01:43] <tomreyn> kongthap: did you file a bug on that?
[01:47] <kongthap> tomreyn, actually it's not a but it's kind of the key to switch between my language and english, because windows leads using ` key to swtich language input for more than 10 years so it's kind of convenient, i cannot get this done with 13.10
[01:47] <kongthap> *bug
[01:47] <eppa> hey, is the us-west-2.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com apt mirror having issues atm
[01:47] <Cueball> Upgrading a machine from Maverick to Precise. Am I going to have probs with this?
[01:48] <eppa> getting 403 Forbidden on all attempts to install some pkg deps during CloudFormation UserData bootstrap :/
[01:49] <Bashing-om> Jordan_U: Did not mena to be rude, and run off - crucial to attend sick dog - , anyway, I respect your position on tor and your knowledge in general.
[01:49] <Bashing-om> Jordan_U: *mean
[01:49] <hewhomust> poor dog
[01:50] <tomreyn> kongthap: i bet you can configure those hotkeys, but then i'm not into it and can't help with it. on the other hand it seems very unlikely that - if this changed in 13.10 over 13.04 -  it will be any different in 14.04 than it was in 13.10.
[01:50] <Bashing-om> poor dog, coming out both ends. Needs TLC.
[01:50] <Beldar> Cueball, WE can't say for sure, back it up and use a eol upgrade, you would be better with a fresh install time wise.
[01:50] <tomreyn> kongthap: unless it was a regression, but this sounds more like a change of default settings.
[01:51] <aphor> eppa: either you have an evil proxy, or broken apt repo server.
[01:51] <tomreyn> kongthap:and you, too, *really* should not use an unsupported operating system for months. especially not on a server
[01:52] <Cueball> Beldar: TBH I don't care if it fails. I will do a fresh install if it does fail. Just doing it for fun. It's an old server that I've not used in a while. Not much on there.
[01:52] <eppa> aphor: apt-get update is working ok, it’s just fetching packages themselves that fails…think the apt server is broken but not sure where to check that or who to talk to
[01:52] <eppa> aphor: any idea who at ubuntu manages the AWS apt repos?
[01:53] <kongthap> tomreyn, i will try to upgrade asap :)
[01:54] <Beldar> eppa, There is a bug exactly on this repo
[01:54] <eppa> Beldar: oh, I see, where can I check for things like that?
[01:54] <Beldar> google this us-west-2.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com
[01:55] <aphor> amazon...
[01:55] <eppa> Beldar: oh I saw that but it’s from two years ago :)  this was working OK about 12 hours ago last time I brough up my cluster
[01:55] <Beldar> eppa, That is how I saw it, not sure on looking up specific bugs, and it is last year.
[01:56] <eppa> Beldar: yeah, I meant more a status page or similar
[01:56] <eppa> I guess I just have to wait…or alter provisioning scripts to use a different mirror for now ;/
[01:59] <aphor> eppa: or use dnsmasq and hack your DNS lookups...
[02:00] <aphor> dnsmasq can override DNS A records on a domain-by-domain basis.
[02:00] <aphor> eppa: but that'll break SSL.
[02:00] <eppa> aphor: yeah, I think I’ll just add a `sed` call to the script :)
[02:01] <funky> Loading extension GLX xinit: connection to X server lost
[02:01] <funky> nearly there
[02:08] <xangua> How to get double tap on the led to disable touchpad on an HP g42¿ Ubuntu Precise all updates incluiding the enablement stack, thanks
[02:13] <funky> who here used X server?
[02:15] <timmytimo> hey all
[02:15] <timmytimo> having trouble with sound
[02:16] <timmytimo> in windows these speakers are plenty loud, in ubuntu I can barely hear.  I went to sound settings and its up all the way as is on the speakers.  They plug into headphone jack
[02:17] <tomreyn> timmytimo: often sound chips have an amplifier, that would be presented as either an option you can switch on and off, or as an additional drawbar
[02:19] <timmytimo> tomreyn: you mean within the normal sound settings or somewhere else.  It just says analog sound, built-in audio
[02:21] <tomreyn> timmytimo: i think this would be on the normal sound settings somewhere. but then i can't spot it here, either. sorry to not be of much help.
[02:23] <arooni-mobile> how can i use opendns dns resolution permanently; not just for the current network i'm connected to
[02:24] <joshu__> Never used chroot and would like to check my understanding of it. Does it have two purposes: 1) to create an isolated place to test or secure access 2) to change settings on files/ directories
[02:24] <timmytimo> lol no worries, I've been staring at it for a while now.  just so weird that it would be 1/2 or 1/3 as loud as windows with same hardware setup
[02:24] <tomreyn> !sound | timmytimo Maybe this helps:
[02:25] <usr13> joshu__: It's just so that you can boot into a system that you can't do in a normal way.
[02:25] <xangua> arooni-mobile: gksu gedit /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf
[02:25] <xangua> Then change the line highlighted to:
[02:25] <xangua> prepend domain-name-servers x.x.x.x, y.y.y.y;
[02:25] <funky> nr 1
[02:26] <joshu__> I'm currently stuck in a situation where I have a mount point which contains files. I need to change the group and set mode 0775 on a few of them BUT the group I need to set is not present on the computer. Is chroot the tool for this?
[02:26] <xangua> prepend domain-name-servers <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>;  for example for google dns
[02:26] <tomreyn> joshu__: chroot does not provide proper isolation in terms of security. don't use it for this purpose, use virtualization or, once there is one which provides proper isolation on current kernel versions, a container solution.
[02:26] <drewery> if I decide to install ubuntu as server ...my options are 13.04 , 12.04, 12.10  and 10.04 ...is there any strong preference for which should be favored? I am new to this so this will be a little learning curve as far as ubuntu goes
[02:26] <usr13> joshu__: It is to be able to work on a broken system, (one that you can no longer boot to).
[02:26] <arooni-mobile> xangua, will any dns settings made on network manager app override those dns servers?
[02:27] <xangua> arooni-mobile: no unless you edit the file again and delete it/change it/comment the line
[02:27] <tongcx_> hi guys, if there are multiple memory eaters like JVM running, how does memory get allocated if they all just want to hold memory without actually using it?
[02:27] <usr13> joshu__: To change the permissions on a mount point?  As long as it is not the user's /home/, I'm not sure why you'd need to chroot from a boot disk for that...
[02:27] <aphor> tongcx_: the kernel will evict pages of idle RAM to swap in a process called "paging out"
[02:28] <arooni-mobile> xangua, google dns is there (in resolv.conf); but i dont give that address in dhclient.conf; how else could it have arrived (trying to swtich to opendns)
[02:28] <usr13> joshu__: How did it get changed in the first place?
[02:28] <xangua> arooni-mobile: someone edited it¿
[02:28] <tongcx_> aphor: does those RAM eater try to coordinates with each other?
[02:28] <tongcx_> aphor: it seems like a terrible result
[02:28] <arooni-mobile> xangua, im the only user on this
[02:28] <joshu__> usr13 it's not home. I'm working with mounts that point to a boot volume of another system. I don't have the group that I need to set on that disk, so I started googling and saw chroot and that's why I'm trying to understand if it's the tool to do this.
[02:29] <aphor> tongcx_: when the RAM eater wants to use that page of memory, it gets a page-fault and will freeze until the kernel can evict another page to make room for paging it back in.
[02:29] <tongcx_> aphor: yea, but by not trying to eat all memory, those processes can do much better
[02:29] <xangua> arooni-mobile: ooh resolv.conf you say¿ even if you modify it, it will not save changes I believe
[02:29] <tomreyn> drewery: how did you come up with these options?
[02:30] <aphor> tongcx_: http://www.amazon.com/Implementation-Operating-paperback-Addison-Wesley-Systems/dp/0132317923
[02:30] <arooni-mobile> xangua, do i have to restart to take effect?
[02:30] <usr13> joshu__: No, it's not.
[02:30] <xangua> arooni-mobile: just conect and reconect to your network
[02:30] <aphor> tongcx_: it's a probability function.
[02:30] <xangua> disconect and reconect*
[02:30] <drewery> tomreyn: I am testing a hosting... these are the options that I can start with besides centos and debian
[02:31] <usr13> joshu__: Normally, what you want is 755 for directories and 644 for files
[02:31] <tomreyn> drewery: what are you planning to test then?
[02:31] <arooni-mobile> xangua, for some reason open dns says im still not using it; even though its nameservers are the ony ones listed on the resolf.conf file
[02:31] <usr13> joshu__: But it sounds like you are confusing two different things, ownership and permissions, (they *are* different).
[02:31] <genial> Hello! Can I tell rsync to not create the entire directory-tree before it starts to transfer files, and rather create directories along with the files?
[02:32] <joshu__> usr13 ok I think I understand what you're saying.
[02:32] <arooni-mobile> xangua, acutally somehow the google dns snuck up and reset itself
[02:32] <arooni-mobile> xangua, i have no idea how its overwriting the resolv.conf file repeatedly
[02:32] <tomreyn> drewery: are you planning to keep this server running for longer, or is it really just a test installation you'll scrap in some  weeks?
[02:32] <xangua> arooni-mobile: dhclient.conf not resolv.conf
[02:32] <joshu__> usr13 Is there a way to use chgrp to set the group on a directory/ files that doesn't exist on the current system?
[02:33] <drewery> tomreyn: I am planning to run it longer and get a new project established as a website on this while I am learning about ubuntu in the meanwhile
[02:33] <tomreyn> drewery: and how attractive sounds the need to do a system upgrade soon?
[02:33] <usr13> joshu__: Can you rephrase that?
[02:33] <drewery> if it was a nightly thing I would just install it on my VM but this will be a administered public web server
[02:34] <usr13> joshu__: Well, obviously, you can change the ownership of a directory, (both owner and group).
[02:34] <drewery> now I am more familiar with centos or freebsd
[02:34] <funky> tomreyn when I run echo xfce4-session>~/.xsession which password i use when I rdp? the root one?
[02:34] <funky> I decided to reinstall xrpd and xfce
[02:34] <drewery> so I am not sure about how things work with ubuntu, also trying to figure out if I get stuck are there people out there supportive besides the documentation or manual pages
[02:35] <joshu__> usr13 I'm on ubuntu with 2 disks attached. My primary disk and a second disk that contains a boot volume and is mounted. The second disk I'm manipulating the files. I want to change the group of some of them BUT the group I want to set doesn't exist on my Ubuntu primary disk, so I get the error " chgrp failed: failed to look up group second_disk_group"
[02:35] <usr13> joshu__: But the ownership of individual files will depend on *who* writes the files to a filesystem
[02:36] <tomreyn> drewery: so i'd say for a productive server you normally want somewhat recent software (since that will often give you new and better features), but you usually also don't want to have to upgrade to the next release every 6 months. so you'd go with the latest available long term support (LTS) release.
[02:36] <tomreyn> that'd be 12.04
[02:36] <usr13> joshu__: Yea, that group will have to exist before you can give any files or directories to it.
[02:36] <arooni-mobile> xangua, network manager is rewreiting the resolv.conf file when i reconnecte
[02:36] <arooni-mobile> or something is
[02:36] <arooni-mobile> driving me crazy
[02:36] <joshu__> usr13 ah I thought there was a workaround
[02:36] <xangua> arooni-mobile: dhclient.conf not resolv.conf
[02:36] <usr13> joshu__: Let me ask you this:  What filesystem is on this disk?  (Is it ext4 or ntfs or......???)
[02:36] <joshu__> usr13 ext4
[02:37] <usr13> joshu__: Ok... good
[02:37] <xangua> arooni-mobile: you have to edit dhclient.conf , do not edit resolv.conf
[02:37] <arooni-mobile> xangua, i am making the changes as you mentioned to dhclient.conf it doesnt matter; the resolv.conf is getting overwritten somehow with google dns
[02:37] <joshu__> usr13 that's what I thought chroot was for..."change root"
[02:37] <joshu__> but I misunderstood
[02:37] <arooni-mobile> xangua, im aware; there is no <IP_ADDRESS> in all of dhclient.conf
[02:37] <tomreyn> funky: i'm not into xrdp, sorry
[02:37] <usr13> joshu__: but no, there is no workaround, you will have that group in the /etc/group file in order for the sytem to change any ownerships to it.
[02:38] <drewery> tomreyn: exactly, those were my concerns and that was straight to the point. Thanks friend.
[02:38] <arooni-mobile> xangua, any ideas?
[02:38] <joshu__> usr13 ok thanks for explaining!
[02:38] <tomreyn> drewery: there's also #ubuntu-server btw.
[02:39] <usr13> joshu__: chroot will put you into the system as it is set up, according to the users and groups that are desingnated in the /etc/group file.
[02:39] <tomreyn> drewery: fewer people, but sometimes better luck with server specific questions
[02:40] <usr13> joshu__: chroot is usually only used on a system that will no longer boot, (I know of no other reason to use it).
[02:41] <tomreyn> usr13: compiling software is a common use
[02:41] <pvp101sing> tomreyn: you got that right what are you compiling
[02:41] <xangua> arooni-mobile: did you check network mannager icon settins¿
[02:41] <xangua> setings
[02:42] <arooni-mobile> xangua, for the particular network im connected to?
[02:42] <xangua> arooni-mobile: yes
[02:42] <usr13> tomreyn: Yea, ok.  Thanks... You are correct.
[02:42] <funky> http://www.techzim.co.zw/2013/12/solving-ubuntu-13-10s-remote-desktop-windows-bug/ I done it
[02:42] <tomreyn> joshu__: you can actually change the group ID (a number) of file system objects (files, directories etc) to matcch that of what you have on your other file system
[02:42] <funky> yet to connect :D
[02:42] <arooni-mobile> xangua, dhcp (automatic)
[02:42] <funky> what is X server for?
[02:42] <pvp101sing> Does anyone play xbox around here
[02:42] <tomreyn> pvp101sing: MegaGlest for example, an open source real-time strategy game which is available in ubuntu.
[02:43] <funky> when xrdp is seems to be used to be used for rdp
[02:43] <usr13> joshu__: You can also add another group....
[02:43] <Beldar> pvp101sing, No polling and that is a 3rd party, if you have issues state them.
[02:43] <joshu__> tomreyn can you explain how to do that
[02:43] <usr13> joshu__: And then add users to the new group, (and/or add new users as well).
[02:43] <pvp101sing> sorry beldar
[02:43] <aphor> funky: X is graphics and user input devices for your programs.
[02:44] <drewery> tomreyn: thanks, I will add that to the list as well
[02:44] <zack123> im in
[02:44] <tomreyn> joshu__: can you sum up again for me what you are trying to achieve, i only followed it loosely
[02:44] <aphor> funky: X was desinged to work across networks from the get-go, when there were 4 Beatles.
[02:44] <Beldar> pvp101sing, It's alright, it is not easy to know what to say if you are not familiar with the channel.;)
[02:44] <tomreyn> welcom drewery
[02:44] <aphor> funky: RDP was a belated fit of jealousy from Microsoft.
[02:45] <joshu__> tomreyn this is what I said to usr13: I'm on ubuntu with 2 disks attached. My primary disk and a second disk that contains a boot volume and is mounted. The second disk I'm manipulating the files. I want to change the group of some of them BUT the group I want to set doesn't exist on my Ubuntu primary disk, so I get the error " chgrp failed: failed to look up group second_disk_group"
[02:45] <drewery> tomreyn: just for the record : that's fewer enough people for me in that channel :) I like what Few means for ubuntu I guess
[02:45] <funky> aphor lol
[02:45] <zack123> so how can i install kali linux without vbox
[02:45] <zack123> ????
[02:45] <pvp101sing> Beldar: Am running ubuntu on my computer so am familar with the operating system
[02:45] <Beldar> zack123, Not supported here
[02:46] <funky> aphor so I install xorg rdp and desktop and I am good to go as far as rdp connecting to server goes?
[02:46] <tomreyn> :) drewery
[02:46] <aphor> funky: I was slightly exaggerating about the 4 Beatles thing.
[02:46] <zack123> where is supported
[02:46] <Beldar> zack123, On a channel of theirs
[02:46] <zack123> #kali-linux
[02:46] <funky> i get loading extension GLX no protocal speficied
[02:46] <aphor> funky: I never tried xorg rdp. I'm an old curmudgeon.
[02:46] <zack123> ??
[02:46] <tomreyn> joshu__: alright, do you have that file system on the second disk mounted already?
[02:47] <funky> I guess I have to add some lines to .xsession to tell it which desktop to load, etc?
[02:47] <tomreyn> joshu__: and do you have some files which have the 'proper' group ownership there already?
[02:47] <aphor> Xrdp uses Xvnc or X11rdp to manage the X session. To learn about how xrdp currently works, click here and here.
[02:48] <xerxes> ws wondering if anyone can help  with a problem  on a fresh ubuntu 13.10 install on an older machine
[02:48] <aphor> http://xrdp.sourceforge.net/documents/xrdpdesign/index.html
[02:48] <tomreyn> joshu__: i.e. the group you want to change things to
[02:48] <aphor> http://xrdp.sourceforge.net/documents/asession/index.html
[02:48] <Beldar> xerxes, Not without a description to the channel.
[02:48] <tomreyn> !ask | xerxes
[02:49] <joshu__> tomreyn mounted yes. let me double check not he group
[02:50] <pvp101sing> Does anyone know if I can code in c sharo in ubuntu am trying to run visual studio in wine but I have not tryed it yet but it probley not a good idea
[02:50] <joshu__> tomreyn yep group is in the /etc/group file
[02:50] <joshu__> tomreyn on the second disk
[02:50] <rimbaud> howdy
[02:50] <rimbaud> anyone around?
[02:50] <pvp101sing> rimbaud: am around:)
[02:51] <rimbaud> wotcher : ) I'm having an issue, ubuntu gives me that: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:51] <tomreyn> joshu__: what i really meant is whether the boot volume contains files which yuou know do have the right owning group assigned to them
[02:52] <rimbaud> when I tried to install anything
[02:53] <rimbaud> I just read any tutorial around the web and following its suggests but I didn't resolve the problem
[02:53] <fling> Is not this site working? > http://injapan.ru/
[02:54] <tomreyn> joshu__: so these groups and usernames which display on "ls -l" and in graphical directory browsers are really friendly names, they are like the result of a reverse lookup on a phone book, because humans can usually better work with names than with numbers of the same complexity.
[02:54] <texla> fling working here
[02:54] <funky> hmmm  x server stu ck again
[02:54] <funky> seems GLX extention is cause of all issues
[02:55] <joshu__> tomreyn I solved it. chroot did work
[02:55] <funky> what its for anyway?
[02:55] <tomreyn> joshu__: but really, on the file system, all files and directories have numeric IDs only, and /etc/groups is used to translate them to those group names
[02:55] <tomreyn> joshu__: i guess i can save my explanations then. ;)
[02:55] <joshu__> usr13 tomreyn sudo chroot /mnt/second_disk then chgrp second_disk_group files_on_second_disk
[02:56] <joshu__> tomreyn Well thank you for the ones you gave!
[02:56] <tomreyn> yes that might work
[02:56] <tomreyn> depending on how this system is configured
[02:57] <tomreyn> welcome
[02:57] <Sir_Andrei> Hola
[02:57] <Sir_Andrei> Hello
[02:58] <funky> could it be that server box dont have  video card?
[02:58] <rodayo> I'm doing some basic module development, I get the following error in my include tree: fatal error: asm/types.h: No such file or directory. I have the header file in my system under "/usr/include/asm-generic/" anyone know what to do?
[02:58] <funky>  I run lspci
[02:58] <funky> nothing for video
[02:59] <usr13> joshu__: tomreyn   It would only work if the group exists on the other system.  Right?
[02:59] <usr13> joshu__: tomreyn  .... otherwise, you'd have to create a new group. Right?
[03:00] <joshu__> usr13 but it does exist on the other system (second disk).
[03:00] <tomreyn> usr13: what is "it"?
[03:00] <usr13> joshu__: Ok.  You're good to go then.
[03:01] <usr13> tomreyn: it=chgrp (only to group that exists on the system)
[03:02] <usr13> (on the "second_disk"
[03:03] <tomreyn> usr13: try this: sudo touch /tmp/test; ls -ln /tmp/test; sudo chgrp 1 /tmp/test; ls -ln /tmp/test; sudo rm /tmp/test
[03:03] <jamesd> win 1
[03:04] <tomreyn> usr13: what you're doing there is to create a file owned by root:root (user ID 0, group ID 0), then you change the group ID to 1, then you delete it.
[03:05] <usr13> -rw-r--r-- 1 0 0 0 Feb 20 21:04 /tmp/test
[03:06] <usr13> tomreyn: Ok, I get it... (obviously root exists on both filesystems so... that should do fine...)
[03:06] <tomreyn> usr13: if you had a group whose group id is 1 (as usually defined in /etc/group - the "phonenook" in my earlier reverse lookup story) , then "ls -l test" whould have shown the name of the group instead of "root" after you changed the group id (and before deleting it with 'rm')
[03:07] <Gooba> hi
[03:07] <Gooba> WELL MET
[03:07] <tomreyn> usr13: what i tried to point out is that you can change ownership to groups (and users) which do not exist on your current system.
[03:08] <adam007> why i cant use mail() using ubuntu server ?
[03:08] <adam007> i already install sendmail package
[03:08] <funky> folks where do I find Matrox Electronics Systems Ltd. MGA G200eW WPCM450  drivers for ubuntu?
[03:08] <funky> to install via cli
[03:09] <usr13> tomreyn: Well, I'm still a bit fuzzy on it... but if you say so ;)
[03:09] <usr13> -rw-r--r-- 1 0 0 0 Feb 20 21:04 /tmp/test  is the same as -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Feb 20 21:07 /tmp/test
[03:10] <usr13> ?
[03:11] <adam007> how to setup mailserver in ubuntu ?
[03:11] <seranofree> http://www.howtoforge.com/virtual-users-and-domains-with-postfix-courier-mysql-and-squirrelmail-ubuntu-12.04-lts
[03:12] <tomreyn> usr13: yes. just one is numeric and the other is not
[03:12] <usr13> tomreyn: (root is also a group)  ( root is a user but root is also a group)
[03:12] <tomreyn> usr13: but that's just because user / group id 0 is always assigned to root, well not always, but it's a convention.
[03:12] <funky> tomreyn ix startx gets stuck it likely wants video driver?
[03:13] <tomreyn> usr13: right, just like your system user also exists as a group, normally
[03:13] <funky> I cat error log yet to see
[03:13] <tomreyn> funky: right, it's hard to tell without any output
[03:14] <funky> one moment I pastebin log
[03:14] <tomreyn> funky: you have syslog and Xorg.*.log, both in /var/log
[03:14] <funky> yes
[03:14] <tomreyn> plus whatever you are doing on your temrinal
[03:15] <usr13> tomreyn: Not on mine, my user is a member of users (as well as other groups) but there is no group of the same name
[03:16] <usr13> Well, I take that back...
[03:17] <funky> http://pastebin.com/Vpjt0UjC
[03:17] <funky> it gets stuck on GLX
[03:17] <funky> seems like video card
[03:18] <usr13> tomreyn: There is a difference here.  On my Ubuntu system, yes, I have group of same name as user, (but the system I'm on now is not Ubuntu, so it *is* different).  ... Interesing...
[03:19] <jamesd> usr13: filesystems and groups use numeric values not the text.
[03:19] <usr13> tomreyn: This is something I've not really noticed before.
[03:20] <tomreyn> usr13: yes there are other systems which do not create (and assign your user to) a primary user group of the same name as your user.
[03:21] <funky> tomreyn after i checked errors log it seems kinda fine hmm
[03:21] <funky> but GLX is stuck loading and loading
[03:24] <usr13> tomreyn: Yea, I'm seeing that now...    1000 1000  vs 1000 100  =  (joe:joe vs joe:users)
[03:25] <usr13> jamesd: tomreyn Thanks guys.... I learned something new  :)
[03:26] <tomreyn> :)
[03:26] <tomreyn> pass it on to someone else the other day
[03:27] <usr13> I will, (I have a better handle on groups and users now)
[03:27] <tomreyn> funky: what are you trying to accomplish there anyways? your server may not even support video acceleration
[03:28] <funky> tomreyn simply enable rdp access to desktop
[03:28] <funky> it got video card so should rdp
[03:31] <funky> tomreyn what do u mean byt not supporting video acceleration
[03:32] <tomreyn> funky: my understanding is / was that you are running the X server on a remote server which is not equipped with standard desktop computer hardware.
[03:32] <funky> have anyone here used rpd and x server?
[03:32] <tomreyn> maybe i mixed you up with someone else.
[03:32] <funky> tomreyn its dell server
[03:32] <tomreyn> funky: why do you want to use RDP rather than VNC anyways?
[03:32] <funky> it got video card so what else it needs
[03:32] <funky> RPD is handier
[03:33] <funky> VNC I heard its not secure
[03:33] <funky> etc
[03:33] <funky> but ok I can try VNC too
[03:33] <tomreyn> that's why VNC is typically wrapped in an ssh connection
[03:33] <tomreyn> you also save one open port that way
[03:34] <funky> well it VNC or RDP
[03:34] <funky> xstart still stuck
[03:34] <funky> no error message
[03:35] <funky> i wonder what it wants
[03:36] <funky> tomreyn I an pretty sure it supports desktop as they offer win install on it
[03:36] <funky> :)
[03:36] <thechris> Does anyone know what is required to get WQHD (2560x1440) resolutions to work with an nvidia GPU?
[03:36] <funky> is there some room for x server?
[03:37] <thechris> Currently, nvidia-settings and the desktop environment settings panel both list 1920x1080 as the highest resolution allowed.
[03:37] <ChogyDan> thechris: the nvidia config tool doesnt work?
[03:37] <ChogyDan> nm
[03:37] <thechris> ChogyDan: no, it just lists 1920x1080 as the max.
[03:37] <ChogyDan> thechris: have you tried the xorg-updates or -edgers ppa?
[03:38] <thechris> ChogyDan: no, I haven't updated this in a while.
[03:39] <thechris> ChogyDan: was WQHD support only recently added?
[03:39] <funky> Chody have u used xorg?
[03:39] <ChogyDan> thechris: dunno, but I was just guessing you had a more modern gpu
[03:40] <thechris> ChogyDan: the GPU should be ok.  It was the "GTX560Ti Christmas edition", which used the GTX570's chip, but with fewer cores.
[03:41] <thechris> nvidia has it listed for 2560x1600 max.
[03:42] <ChogyDan> thechris: the point is that sometimes things are fixed in updates, but if you haven't even installed regular updates...
[03:42] <blackice1016> hello.
[03:42] <thechris> ChogyDan: yeah, i was just hoping there was some simple setting to try before going through all of that.
[03:51] <hanasaki> how do you setup bluetooth?  dmesg says the bluetooth hardware was found on boot...
[03:57] <Beldar> hanasaki, probably a wiki here that is relevant. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Home?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=bluetooth&titlesearch=Titles
[03:57] <nearst> how safe my precise doin dist-upgrade ? :))
[03:58] <Beldar> nearst, dist-upgrade is a in release upgrade for kernels and a few others
[03:59] <hanasaki> Beldar:  didn't find anything that worked
[03:59] <Beldar> nearst, The precise is desktop EOL though
[03:59] <attrapereves> hitsujiTMO, you might remember me from earlier. Any thoughts on the permissions error?
[04:00] <hitsujiTMO> attrapereves: firefox?
[04:00] <nearst> Beldar, owh. just got a conflict package there.
[04:00] <Beldar> nearst, Er my bad I was thinking lucid precise is fine
[04:00] <Beldar> nearst, Pastebin errors for the channel
[04:00] <nearst> Beldar, i still got my karmic running :))
[04:00] <attrapereves> hitsujiTMO, Yes, and chrome
[04:01] <nearst> Beldar, i think. this conflict not a major. only some side package
[04:01] <hitsujiTMO> attrapereves: sorry. didn't come up with any other ideas.
[04:02] <attrapereves> hitsujiTMO, I'm guessing a fresh install should work, no?
[04:02] <hitsujiTMO> attrapereves: yes it should
[04:02] <attrapereves> hitsujiTMO, OK, I'll try that and report back if it does not
[04:05] <Mohammed> anyone here?
[04:18] <ScyllaBus> When I launch linux mint from my laptop the screen goes black. Was able to launch with nomodeset but it eats up my CPU and uses software rendering. My laptop has Intel HD Graphics 4000. Not sure what to do...
[04:19] <ScyllaBus> No one on #linuxmint was responding so I tried the next best thing.
[04:19] <Beldar> ScyllaBus, Not supported is all
[04:19] <ScyllaBus> Intel HD 4000?
[04:19] <Beldar> mint
[04:20] <ScyllaBus> What about debian? I had the same problem.
[04:20] <Beldar> this is ubuntu support, not derivatives or debian ScyllaBus
[04:21] <ScyllaBus> So is ubuntu supported for Intel HD 4000? I did some googling and people seem to have the same problem..
[04:21] <ruien> Beldar: this problem doesn't really sound to me like something related to mint. ScyllaBus: which graphics driver is your system using for that card? Have you been able to determine that?
[04:22] <ScyllaBus> Actually I looked and there werent any drivers listed.
[04:22] <ScyllaBus> When I went to drivers mgr.
[04:22] <Beldar> ruien, Does not matter it is not a ubuntu OS, help them in a pm if you want.
[04:22] <jcabb> ScyllaBus, post on their forums.
[04:22] <ScyllaBus> Im also asking about ubuntu.
[04:23] <ScyllaBus> So is ubuntu supported for Intel HD 4000? I did some googling and people seem to have the same problem..
[04:24] <chair> what is the best way to copy all my files off this computer to a new one?
[04:24] <oinkers> usb
[04:25] <chair> it's a large hard drive, is there a network way?
[04:25] <tomreyn> ScyllaBus: this lists certified hardware: http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/desktop/
[04:25] <oinkers> could network them
[04:25] <chair> they're on the same lan
[04:25] <Gnea> chair: do you want to preserve permissions?
[04:25] <chair> permissions aren't important, but the files are.
[04:25] <tomreyn> ScyllaBus: other setups often work, too (but there are no guarantees)
[04:25] <ruien> ScyllaBus: I ran into something similar before. Which kernel are you using?
[04:25] <Gnea> chair: scp, rsync, ftp, samba...
[04:26] <chair> of scp and rsync which one tolerates failure best?
[04:26] <Dirkson> Hey all. Using lubuntu - Whenever I leave the network connection unused for more than a few seconds, it seems to lose its ipv4 address. Anyone heard of an issue like that?
[04:26] <chair> (resumes after an interrupt and all)
[04:27] <ruien> chair: i would strongly suggest rsync
[04:27] <jcabb> chair, rsync
[04:27] <chair> rsync it is.
[04:27] <picksit>  join #ubuntustudio
[04:27] <Gnea> well rsync can use scp to copy files. scp is generally fairly robust but rsync will back it up.
[04:27]  * jcabb is moving 2Tb with rsync right now.
[04:27] <jcabb> chair,  if you need syntax help let me know
[04:27] <chair> jcabb sweet, can you paste me a syntax?
[04:27] <jcabb> I'll PM, stand by.
[04:29] <adam007> i want setup sendmail for sending mail using php mail() function any suggestion ?
[04:29] <adam007> last time i try i get error message refused connection <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:31] <ruien> adam007: what's your actual mail sending software? sendmail sort of "hands off" mail, it's not a full mail server by itself.
[04:31] <adam007> i use sendmail
[04:32] <kimprince> tried everything to get my graphics working, now really stuck, http://askubuntu.com/questions/423889/
[04:33] <ruien> adam007: for example, where I work we use msmtp (http://msmtp.sourceforge.net/) which is a sendmail-compatible interface to a real SMTP server
[04:33] <adam007> but i cant use graphic because im on ssh
[04:34] <Serano>  adam007 sendmail will give over the email that needs to be sent to the local mail daemon who will send it accordingly.
[04:35] <Serano> Therefore you need to install mailsoftware, SMTP proto, so the mailhandler can connect on <IP_ADDRESS>:25
[04:35] <Serano> and send the mail
[04:35] <tapout> what email program supports qmail style email files?
[04:36] <adam007> Serano why when i use hosting it works but not in ubuntu server ?
[04:37] <Serano> because hosting providers have their mailservers installed or configured on the webserving software.
[04:37] <Serano> there is a link from the webserver to the mailserver.
[04:37] <Serano> php tells the webserver that it is a php script, the function mail tells the computersystem to use the mailserver to send the mail
[04:38] <Serano> so it is not the webserver or php that sends the mail
[04:38] <Serano> it sends it to a mailserver
[04:38] <Serano> If you read up I gave you a link an hour ago, how to setup a full mailsystem
[04:38] <adam007> so it mean, when i want send email through ubuntu server, i must prepare smtp mail software ?
[04:39] <ruien> kimprince: I read your question -- did you mention anywhere which nvidia divers you're using?
[04:39] <adam007> i cant see it can you give it again ?
[04:39]  * jcabb murmurs RTFM...
[04:39] <Karu> Hi folks~ I'm having a really strange NFS issue on 13.10. Server has exported a filesystem to a client on my network, all mount requests to the client are denied. Server syslog says "Refused mount request.... (/): not exported"
[04:39] <Serano> from php yes. You could also use a relay mailserver.
[04:39] <kimprince> now ruien, how do I work that out?  I just actually did the purge again, so probably not got anything now
[04:40] <yeyeman> whats the name for the thing where all windows in the current workspace pops up tiled, and clicking on one brings it to focus?
[04:40] <Serano> you either install a mailservice and it will work.
[04:40] <yeyeman> it happens when I press super+x
[04:40] <adam007> Serano can you give me the link again ? abou tutorial setting up it all
[04:40] <Serano> I believe that you could also tell the webserver/php not to use the local maildaemon but use an external one. I have no experience on that so you might need to google or ask someone else for that
[04:41] <Karu> showmounts on the client can see the export, and rpcinfo looks good as well.
[04:41] <ruien> kimprince: well, in general, you can see your installed packages with "dpkg -l", so you can do "dpkg -l | grep nvidia" -- when I do this, I get "nvidia-319-updates", which is the package I'm using. I'm on xubuntu 13.10 though (which is a very fine release)
[04:41] <Serano> http://www.howtoforge.com/virtual-users-and-domains-with-postfix-courier-mysql-and-squirrelmail-ubuntu-12.04-lts
[04:41] <Serano> adam007
[04:41] <adam007> okay thanks
[04:41] <ruien> kimprince: since you did "apt-get purge", you won't have anything installed. But you should still have the deb file in /var/cache/apt/archives, so you can see what you had installed
[04:42] <tomreyn> adam007: also /var/log/apt/history.log shows the recent package change requests
[04:43] <tomreyn> umm sorry this was for kimprince
[04:43] <kimprince> ruien, you're right, there is nothing when I dpkg.  Not sure there's much point in looking in the archives, since I have tried all sort of install/uninstall today.  I would even be happy with my onboard gpu card...
[04:44] <ChogyDan> kimprince: have you posted /var/X11/Xorg.0.log anywhere?
[04:44] <kimprince> No chogyDan.  Where would be a good place to do that?
[04:44] <tomreyn> also post this: lspci -knnv | grep -A10 VGA
[04:45] <tomreyn> http://paste.ubuntu.com
[04:45] <ruien> kimprince: this is kind of off-topic, but have you considered trying a Live USB of ubuntu 13.10? I know 12.04 is the LTS, but they've really fixed some stuff in newer kernels since then, and upgrading fixed graphics problems for me (nvidia GTX 460) awhile back.
[04:46] <kimprince> no ruien.  I'll look into it
[04:46] <kimprince> ChogyDan, I don't have a /var/X11 directory
[04:46] <ruien> booting to a live USB is a pretty low-risk way of seeing if the kernel version or newer libraries might help, or if they won't.
[04:46] <kostkon> ruien: 12.04.4 comes with the 13.10 kernel and X
[04:47] <ChogyDan> kimprince: sorry, /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[04:47] <tomreyn> kimprince: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[04:47] <tomreyn> and i'm late
[04:48] <thechris> Ok, managed to get the dual WQHD monitors to display things.  Major first step.
[04:48] <thechris> But only one will accept applicatiosn
[04:48] <thechris> eg, I can't move applications between monitors even though the mouse is visible on either screen
[04:49] <thechris> as well as the desktop.
[04:49] <kimprince> found the log file.  What now?
[04:49] <yeyeman> I have a problem with the software updater: It does not appear when I try to launch it
[04:49] <ChogyDan> thechris: how?
[04:49] <yeyeman> I can kind of install updates if I right click it from the unity launcher
[04:49] <thechris> ChogyDan: I'd like to say it was elegant, but I just rebooted the computer after updating the nvida driver
[04:49] <thechris> very windows-like
[04:50] <jcabb> yeyeman, does apt-get work in terminal?
[04:50] <ChogyDan> yeah, you need to reboot for driver and kernel updates, and a couple other things
[04:50] <yeyeman> jcabb, yes
[04:50] <yeyeman> jcabb, the problem is just that the window does not appear
[04:50] <jcabb> the gui wrapper? ok
[04:51] <yeyeman> yep
[04:51] <ChogyDan> !paste | kimprince
[04:53] <yeyeman> does anyone know how to bind "window spread" to a mouse button
[04:53] <yeyeman> ?
[04:55] <kimprince> OK, log file pasted, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6969163/
[04:55] <tomreyn> yeyeman: i don't know about that, but regarding your updater not showing up, run "update-manager" from a !terminal window and see what it reports.
[04:55] <ChogyDan> kimprince: can you paste the output of dkms status?
[04:56] <yeyeman> tomreyn, it says theming engine adwaita not found
[04:56] <kimprince> hang on...
[04:56] <ChogyDan> kimprince: wait, do you have nvidia drivers installed?
[04:56] <yeyeman> Gtk WARNING!!!
[04:57] <kimprince> ChogyDan, no, I uninstalled them recently.  Should I install them first?
[04:57] <ChogyDan> kimprince: i dunno, but that explains the nvidia not found error
[04:58] <tomreyn> yeyeman: did you install, later remove, a custom Desktop theme?
[04:59] <robincook> hi @robincook
[04:59] <sasuke> hi guys, i install kjots package in ubuntu12.04 , but its not working. I'm unable to create a  new book, new page ... any help
[04:59] <Serano> that's narcisistic
[04:59] <kimprince> ruien, downloading 13.10 right now
[05:00] <tomreyn> yeyeman: sudo apt-get install gnome-themes-standard
[05:00] <yeyeman> tomreyn, I have installed a bunch, but I don't remember removing anything
[05:00] <tomreyn> yeyeman: actually: sudo apt-get install --reinstall gnome-themes-standard
[05:01] <ChogyDan> kimprince: erm, yeah, I guess if the error happens when nvidia is installed, then you would need to post Xorg0log from when you actually have nvidia installed
[05:01] <tomreyn> yeyeman: looks like the default theme got removed
[05:01] <ruien> kimprince: kostkon mentioned that the latest 12.04 does have a pretty new kernel and X, but I still think it'll be a nice test to see what 13.10 does. Also, can you tell me what nvidia driver options you have? Here's the command: apt-cache search 'nvidia-' | grep -P '^nvidia-\d+-updates'
[05:01] <yeyeman> tomreyn, will that mess with what I currently have??
[05:02] <olinux> trying to set a directory writable by all members of group .. so .. find -type d -exec chmod 2775 {} \;
[05:02] <tomreyn> yeyeman: not if what you have now was installed properly / in a clean way / without messing with files of another package (which is a no, no, no)
[05:03] <olinux> user1 can create file, but user2 doesnt have permission to edit
[05:03] <sasuke> im seeing this error msg while opening
[05:03] <sasuke> http://imagebin.org/294753
[05:03] <olinux> but user2 can delete it
[05:04] <ChogyDan> sasuke: do you have akonadi?
[05:04] <xangua> ruien:  kimprince you can install 3.11 kernel in precise via official repositories
[05:05] <kimprince> here is the output of apt-cache, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6969181/
[05:05] <sasuke> ChogyDan, is it a service?, if yes "command not found" it is saying
[05:05] <ChogyDan> sasuke: fwiw, kjots works fine for me in 13.10
[05:05] <sasuke> /etc/init.d/akonadi: command not found
[05:05] <kimprince> ruien, what is he 3.11 kernet? a linux kernel?
[05:05] <yeyeman> tomreyn, Now it says "Warning cant load fallback CSS resource ... does not exist"
[05:06] <kimprince> sorry - should have been for xangua
[05:06] <yeyeman> tomreyn, and does not open gui ofc
[05:06] <ChogyDan> sasuke: maybe try akonadictl start
[05:08] <ruien> kimprince: the 3.11 kernel is the kernel that ubuntu 13.10 uses. It's just a newer version of the kernel. 14.04 currently runs the 3.13 kernel for instance. So, if your test works, what xangua means is that there is a way to get newer kernels without having to completely reinstall your system or dist-upgrade. The live USB is just a way to get some data to work with
[05:09] <kimprince> ruien, I'm actually downloading the whole 13.10 to a cd.  As far as I know I can boot from the cd and run it as a test.  Does that sound right?
[05:09] <kcdehimposter> Question: Does anybody have a good suggestion for a wireless adapter that is under $30 that will work well for Ubuntu?
[05:09] <tomreyn> yeyeman: hmm CSS i only know from the web, i'm afraid i can't help then
[05:10] <ruien> kimprince: that's exactly what I'm suggesting, yes. So, if it doesn't work, you didn't waste a bunch of time and break stuff upgrading your system to find out that it didn't work. I usually use a USB drive, not a CD, but it's the same concept.
[05:11] <NfNitLoop> Hi!   I'm trying to understand the output of ldd.  Is this binary really relying on multiple versions of the same library?  http://pastebin.com/9L66uVHU
[05:11] <yeyeman> tomreyn, thnx anyway
[05:12] <crystalmatrix-EM> night
[05:12] <Beldar> kimprince, Did you check if the iso exceeded a cd data limits?
[05:12] <Karunamon> So the whole NFS thing is really confusing the hell out of me now
[05:13] <crystalmatrix-EM> i have some problems ineed install app,
[05:13] <sasuke> ChogyDan, i'm not sure , but i got some error i guess
[05:13] <Karunamon> apparently my client is defaulting to v4? If I tell the client to mount the root dir, the mount *succeeds*, and then gets me to an empty dir with my actual mount point in it
[05:13] <sasuke> http://imagebin.org/294761
[05:13] <Karunamon> great, but I both don't want to use V4 and want to mount my exported folder directly
[05:14] <ruien> NfNitLoop: which GLIBC version do you have? Find out using "ldd --version" -- it feels like you're running a pre-compiled binary on a system with an older GLIBC than the one it was compiled on, and that's ldd looking for equivalents
[05:14] <Karunamon> setting the --no-nfs-version 4 in /etc/default/nfs-kernel-server appears to have no effect
[05:14] <Karunamon> and I still can't mount the blasted thing :(
[05:15] <NfNitLoop> ruien: I kindof figured that.   I'm just trying to figure out what all those version info lines mean.  :)   ldd --version says: ldd (Ubuntu EGLIBC 2.11.1-0ubuntu7.5) 2.11.1
[05:15] <kimprince> Beldar, just dealing with that now
[05:15] <NfNitLoop> (Yes. It's old. I should upgrade.  Just want to confirm that an upgrade will fix it before I go through the effort.)  :p
[05:16] <tapout> hey fellas, is there a way to 'calculate' what changed from the ubuntu install?  So I can see what I've changed and replicate it later?
[05:16] <NfNitLoop> tapout: as in packages installed?  Configuration files modified?
[05:17] <tapout> well, start off with packages installed, from there perhaps configuration files modified
[05:18] <Serano> you could check it for changes fairly easy but the specifics, don't believe so.
[05:18] <Serano> but it's not impossible
[05:19] <tapout> there isn't a way to compute what's in 'base ubuntu' vs what is present now?
[05:20] <Serano> well with hashes you could easily check where changes were made.
[05:20] <tapout> i'm just talking about packages right now
[05:20] <tapout> not so much configuration files
[05:20] <Serano> if you go deep enough you might. But I would lack the knowledge :)
[05:21] <Serano> dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstall
[05:21] <Serano> this would give you all installed packages
[05:22] <ruien> NfNitLoop: I'm not an expert, but I think that an upgrade will fix the problem. The lines say things like this: "libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.2.5) => /lib/libc.so.6", which means that the requirement of some function in libc.so.6 with a GLIBC_2.2.5 version was satisfied by your /lib/libc.so.6 file -- so, no problem at all. But it's the "not found" lines that break it, and upgrading should resolve those runtime dependencies.
[05:22] <tapout> ahh, so install another copy, do it on both and i know what changed.. okay cool thanks man
[05:22] <Serano> that would do the trick.
[05:23] <ruien> NfNitLoop: as an aside, I like to keep an Ubuntu 10.04 VM around for compiling binaries -- those tend to work pretty well most everywhere.
[05:23] <Serano> and with hashes you could compare which config files changed
[05:23] <Serano> or were different in which testcompy
[05:23] <Serano> copy*
[05:27] <NfNitLoop> ruien: Ooooh.  So the binary is relying on multiple *functions* from those libraries.  And some functions were introduced in newer versions of the library?  Hence the listing of multiple versions of the same library?
[05:29] <Karunamon> Any NFS ideas, guys? So far it looks like I need to force NFSv4 to be disabled and the option in /etc/defaults isn't doing it.
[05:29] <Karunamon> err.. /etc/default/nfs-kernel-server that is
[05:29] <ruien> NfNitLoop: Again, i'm not an expert, but I think it's more that the symbols it's trying to link against in those SO files are versioned, so the linker can't be sure about all of them matching. For example, calling a function X in a different version of a library may or may not produce what you expected. GLIBC tries to be backwards-compatible, so a newer version should run code compiled for an older one, but not the other way around.
[05:30] <ruien> so, if you compile a binary on a pretty old system (i used ubuntu 10.04 as an example), you are usually pretty sure that those will find workable implementations on most systems
[05:30] <NfNitLoop> Hrmmm.  OK.  I kindof wish there were an "ldd for dummies" book I could read. :p
[05:31] <NfNitLoop> But it's my bed time.  Thanks for your help.  :)
[05:31] <ruien> good luck :) oh, and look into the "patchelf" program if you like binaries -- that knowledge might come in handy.
[05:31] <Barrin6> watching this ubuntu phone dock
[05:31] <Barrin6> where the hell can I get this right now! I wnat!
[05:40] <xangua> !touch | Barrin6
[05:45] <main_> where can I get help with 14.04?
[05:46] <hggdh> main_: at #ubuntu+1
[05:46] <main_> thanks
[05:46] <Barrin6> can anyone recommend a pdf editor? I just need to use something to fill in some blanks in a PDF
[05:46] <raj> will a symlink break if I move the symlink
[05:46] <raj> ?
[05:47] <hggdh> raj: only if you move the *target* of a symlink
[05:47] <raj> hggdh, what if I move the directory that contains the target and the symlink?
[05:47] <raj> so relatively speaking, they're still in tact
[05:48] <hggdh> raj: n, you moved the target...
[05:48] <hggdh> no*
[05:48] <raj> ok, got it
[05:48] <raj> thanks
[05:48] <hggdh> yw
[05:49] <ruien> raj: I beg to differ, I think it quite depends on whether you're working with a relative or absolute symlink, and even with a relative symlink, moving either the source or target will break it, but you could move the parent directory and it would be fine.
[05:49] <aki2389> Barrin6: Adobe?
[05:50] <Barrin6> yea
[05:50] <hggdh> raj: ruien is correct -- if it is a relative symlink, moving the target may, or may not affect. Thanks, ruien, for the correction
[05:50] <raj> ruien, does ln -s create relative or absolute symlinks?
[05:50] <ruien> both
[05:50] <ruien> ln -s foo bar is relative
[05:50] <ruien> ln -s /path/to/foo bar is absolute
[05:51] <raj> it's ln -s ../etc abc
[05:51] <Serano> then it's relative
[05:51] <raj> so absolute
[05:51] <raj> ?
[05:51] <ruien> that's relative
[05:51] <raj> how?
[05:51] <Serano> because yiou say from this directory go one up into etc
[05:51] <raj> oh, if it's path from root?
[05:51] <Serano> if you start from / it's absolute
[05:51] <sasuke> can anyone tell me solution plz.. i was unable to create new book/page in kjots in ubuntu12.04
[05:51] <ruien> right. If it starts with a slash, it's absolute; otherwise, relative.
[05:52] <raj> got it
[05:52] <raj> thank you very much ruien, hggdh , Serano
[06:00] <Heratiki> Hullo all!
[06:01] <Heratiki> Looking for a little help if anyone is actually awake out there.
[06:01] <Serano> just ask the question :)
[06:01] <Heratiki> I'm looking for some software on Ubuntu Server that would allow me to send download links to be downloaded remotely.
[06:02] <ScyllaBus> Are there any ubuntu distros that support Intel HD 4000? Every distro I've tried does not appear to have any drivers for my Acer Aspire V5 laptop. I keep getting a message "software rendering mode"
[06:02] <ScyllaBus> And I always have to start with "nosetmode" on or else the screen goes black upon boot.
[06:02] <Serano> Heratiki could you be more precise? As in i have a link and I want my remote server to download it?
[06:03] <ruien> ScyllaBus: I had a similar problem in the past, and had to use Ubuntu 10.04, where it "just worked" immediately after booting even on a Live USB. This was not an Intel HD 4000 but probably something similar; I can't remember what exactly.
[06:03] <Heratiki> Sure Serano, So lets say I was browsing the web on my laptop and see a download link I would like to have downloaded on my linux server instead of my laptop.
[06:04] <ruien> ScyllaBus: It would be a good datapoint to try booting a few of the older Ubuntu LTS releases to see if you encounter a similar situation. In this case the latest driver built for it did not support anything past a particular 2.6.x kernel, so that was the problem.
[06:04] <Serano> in console: wget <link>
[06:04] <Semor_> how do I create one virtual IP on my host ?
[06:04] <Heratiki> It's a headless server and I administer it primarily through ssh and webmin.
[06:04] <Serano> Heratiki the command above is your friend :)
[06:04] <ScyllaBus> So..are you saying I should be able to install an earlier version of ubuntu, and then upgrade and it should work fine?
[06:05] <Heratiki> Yeah I was looking for some more automated way Serano if that's at all possible.  Not looking for someone to solve my problem but instead automate it LOL.
[06:05] <ruien> ScyllaBus: no, no - definitely not saying you can upgrade afterward. In my case, this very old machine is still running 10.04, and probably will forever.
[06:05] <ScyllaBus> Or would I have to stick with the older version forever?
[06:05] <Serano> as in press a button in the browser and the server downloads it entirely on its own?
[06:05] <ScyllaBus> Until a supported version?
[06:05] <Heratiki> Like say have a Chrome/Firefox extension that would allow me to call the wget function without having to completely shell in?
[06:05] <Heratiki> Yes Serano, that's what I was thinking.
[06:06] <Serano> Semor_: http://askubuntu.com/questions/313877/how-do-i-add-an-additional-ip-address-to-etc-network-interfaces
[06:06] <Serano> first hit on google
[06:06] <Heratiki> I'm not demanding just seeing if anyone has attempted anything similar.
[06:06] <ruien> ScyllaBus: Probably will never be supported again, because not enough people care about that video driver to do the work of making it compatible with a new kernel. What i'm essentially saying is that it's a mutually-exclusive relationship between the driver that supports the ancient hardware and a modern OS.
[06:06] <Heratiki> I don't know how to code extensions but I would think it would be useful and might work on it if there isn't one available.
[06:06] <ruien> on the other hand, 10.04 was a Fantastic release, so I don't really care. It suits what i use the box for.
[06:07] <ScyllaBus> Still new to ubuntu, would 10.04 still do good for gaming? I.E. with Steam and PlayOnLinux?
[06:07] <ScyllaBus> I mean I suppose performance depends more on the actual software you want to use rather than the operating system
[06:07] <ruien> No, it wouldn't, definitely not. I think 12.04 is the minimum. But an intel graphics chip usually is not for gaming, right?
[06:07] <Serano> I think you still would have to go about getting download link from the page. You should have to open the link. So you would still have to result to compy link location and enter it in somewhere.
[06:07] <Serano> if that seems fit for you
[06:07] <Semor_> Serano:After I add a new ip ,could I connect it from eth0 ?
[06:08] <Heratiki> ScyllaBus: 12.04 would be the minimum for Steam and PlayOnLinux works better the closer to bleeding edge you get unfortunately.
[06:08] <Serano> you could get away with a 5 line big ssh script
[06:08] <ruien> ScyllaBus: the server I'm referring to is an internal fileserver not exposed to the internet
[06:08] <ScyllaBus> Darn.
[06:08] <ScyllaBus> So there's no way to run the latest version of ubuntu on my laptop?
[06:08] <Serano> Semor_: no the interface is eth0:1
[06:08] <ScyllaBus> Without using software rendering mode?
[06:08] <Serano> or eth0:0
[06:08] <Serano> you just create a virtual interface on the same interface so it can handle 2 ip's
[06:09] <Semor_> Serano:I want to config my lvs environment
[06:09] <Heratiki> That's a good idea Serano, I wonder if I could create a bookmarklet capable of that.
[06:09] <ruien> ScyllaBus: well, even if you could, your graphics driver isn't going to support all of the OpenGL extensions and everything that modern games expect, so they won't run, and you'd have to run software mode anyway.
[06:09] <Serano> Heratiki i bet you could even do it with some javascript on a page that you bookmark
[06:10] <Serano> but the problem remains, how would you pinpoint the right link on the page
[06:10] <Heratiki> Yeah that's what I was thinking.  But calling to SSH using just Javascript I don't think would be possible.
[06:10] <Serano> it wopuld still require some action on your part
[06:10] <Serano> maybe you could write an extension to your browser so that when you right click the link
[06:11] <Serano> the javascript or w/escript is started
[06:11] <Heratiki> Maybe have the Javascript pick up all download links available on the page and you pick which ones to send?
[06:11] <Serano> then I would prefer my last suggestion
[06:11] <Serano> since that requires only 1 user interaction instead of 2/3
[06:11] <Heratiki> ScyllaBus: have you tried these drivers? https://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?DwnldID=13815
[06:11] <Serano> 1. right click, select or bookmarklet -> list links -> pick right link -> click
[06:12] <Heratiki> Yeah and I would have to teach myself either javascript bookmarklets or how to code extensions so I guess it's time to start learning.
[06:13] <Heratiki> Thank you for the help Serano
[06:13] <Serano> yw, good luck!
[06:13] <Serano> and if you succeed let me know :) i could use it too
[06:15] <Serano> btw Heratiki: on the ssh in javascript problem. you could if you run linux. Since it would be on the console.
[06:15] <Serano> or php' exec()
[06:16] <Heratiki> Yeah true.  And Chrome has an SSH Extension as well.  I originally thought of some type of software on the server side that I could send short commands like wget.
[06:16] <Heratiki> Yeah I need to learn a lot haha.
[06:17] <Serano> actually come to think about it, it would still be hard through ssh
[06:17] <Serano> since you would still have to identify yourself.
[06:17] <Serano> with a open python socket listening for commands you might
[06:17] <TJ-> Heratiki: what is it you're trying to achieve? I missed the beginning of your issue
[06:18] <Heratiki> I'm attempting to easily send a remote download link to my headless server.
[06:18] <TJ-> Heratiki: I thought so - I do that :)
[06:18] <Heratiki> Example. Browsing the web and see a file I would like on my server.  Right Click and choose download to server.
[06:19] <Heratiki> Something like that.  Or maybe a download manager that would allow me to choose the server as a location to download to.  LOL
[06:20] <Heratiki> Although you know.  I could really just download dropbox on my server and then send the download link to dropbox I believe.
[06:20] <Heratiki> Though that seems quite a roundabout way.
[06:20] <TJ-> Heratiki: Locally, I ssfs mount an (empty) directory from the server. On the server is an inotifywait based shell script that watches for new files in that directory and when one appears, it checks it contains a valid URL (its just a text file) and if so passes the URL to wget, then moves the file into a ./downloaded/ sub-dir.
[06:20] <ScyllaBus> Ahh what the. I can't load my ubuntu. The grub menu does not appear to load. I'm trying to do "nomodeset" but I can't since I can't even see the grub menu.
[06:21] <kimprince> ruien, 13.10 looks fine on my PC, but runs really slow.  Presumably its slow because of the USB?
[06:21] <TJ-> Heratiki: Then locally, you can either create the links manually (just write a text file into the directory containing the URL), or have some browser add-on like flashgot save the links
[06:22] <shadej> hello everyone
[06:22] <rannonga> hi shadej
[06:22] <Heratiki> Hmmmm...
[06:22] <Heratiki> Hello shadej
[06:22] <shadej> openjdk-7 is not my package list,how do I add it?
[06:22] <ruien> kimprince: Yes, slow because of USB. It's really a well-optimized release.
[06:22] <TJ-> Heratiki: s/ssfs/sshfs/ :)
[06:23] <kimprince> OK.  So looks like I can install in parallel with 12.04, just in case?
[06:23] <Serano> shadej: http://openjdk.java.net/install/
[06:26] <Heratiki> TJ, the only problem with ssfs would be that moving between different operating systems could cause a headache.  But definitely what I will use with Crunchbang.
[06:26] <Serano> Heratiki i know a bypass for that with his system
[06:27] <Heratiki> ?
[06:27] <Serano> for openvpn config distribution i use bittorrent sync. You could save that text file locally in a directory that is in sync with a dir on the server
[06:27] <TJ-> Heratiki: For Windows, you could use WinSCP and push the URL file to the server's directory, directly, rather than have it locally mounted
[06:27] <Serano> and then with an ssh script and/or cron you could get wget to the textfile
[06:27] <Heratiki> See the way that bittorrent works is exactly what I want only with normal downloads LOL
[06:28] <Serano> bittorrent sync
[06:28] <pol> are sites like http://www.000webhost.com/ (free hosting) supports(or any provision to install) web servers like apache/nginx/other?
[06:28] <Serano> its a diffferent protocol
[06:28] <Serano> its p2p between your devices
[06:28] <TJ-> Heratiki: There is also sftpdrive  for windows
[06:28] <Heratiki> True TJ, the only problem that I could use puTTY and wget to go just as fast as using WinSCP.
[06:28] <Serano> its p2p cloud between your network
[06:28] <Serano> nods
[06:28] <Heratiki> Hmm Serano, I'll check that out as well.
[06:29] <Serano> and very easy to setup
[06:29] <shadej> Serano: the link shows how to install openjdk-7,but I am saying the package is not on my list
[06:29] <Serano> shadej: m@elegbeta:~$ sudo apt-cache search openjdk-7-jre
[06:29] <Serano> openjdk-7-jre - OpenJDK Java runtime, using Hotspot JIT
[06:29] <TJ-> Heratiki: If you've got an HTTP service on the server, set up a URL listener that receives the URL required via a simple HTTP GET
[06:30] <TJ-> Heratiki: You could do a simple listener with netcat
[06:30] <Heratiki> I could do that TJ- I wonder how secure that would be outside of my own network?  I
[06:30] <Heratiki> All great ideas though.
[06:31] <Serano> many technologies, many options, which one you choose is yours :)
[06:31] <Serano> the great thing about open source: choice!
[06:31] <shadej> Serano: what is that for? to search my package list?
[06:31] <Heratiki> LOL Serano, for sure!
[06:31] <Serano> shadej: try sudo apt-get search openjdk
[06:31] <TJ-> Heratiki: Very... you pass a magic cookie value as part of the GET request, and do it over HTTPS
[06:32] <Serano> then install it with the packagename returnname and the command: sudo apt-get install packagename
[06:32] <shadej> Serano: I did and there is nothing about openjdk-7
[06:33] <Heratiki> I'm checking to see if Chrome can handle ssh:// links.
[06:34] <TJ-> Heratiki: If you went the HTTP(S) service route, you'd only need a simple Send-To add-in for the browser, which would be a context-menu option on links
[06:35] <Heratiki> Interesting TJ.
[06:36] <Serano> well at least you have a little project now :)
[06:38] <TJ-> Heratiki: I do recall seeing something like that, or else writing one for Firefox myself, some years ago
[06:39] <TJ-> Heratiki: It was in the context of a remote-bookmark storage service I wrote
[06:40] <Heratiki> If it comes to mind let me know.  I'm searching on how to push info from a bookmarklet to a webserver.
[06:41] <Heratiki> Something similar to (javascript: window.sshuser = prompt('Login to ' + window.location.hostname + ' as', window.sshuser || ''); user = (window.sshuser ? window.sshuser + '@' : ''); window.location = 'ssh://' + user + window.location.hostname)
[06:41] <Heratiki> But instead of pushing to the address bar it would allow me to send a direct command.
[06:42] <TJ-> Heratiki: If you use the HTTP(S) idea then all you need to do is a simple HTTP request
[06:42] <DF3D2> whats a good terminal emulator that can set tab names ?
[06:42] <Heratiki> Yup I'm also looking up an HTTP server setup.
[06:43] <olinux_> i'd like to set a directory writable by all members of group .. so any future files can be edited by others in the same group
[06:47] <Heratiki> Thank you for all your help.  I'll be sure and let you know what I come up with.  Off to sleep for me!
[06:48] <binali> Hi!
[06:48] <binali> I need help!)
[06:49] <wheatthin> binali, !ask
[06:51] <binali> How can I install apps from ubuntu lucid on ubuntu saucy with apt-get ?
[06:51] <binali> I need KSimus or Ktechlab
[06:52] <binali> But, it's avaible only for lucid...
[06:52] <khildin> you could download the .deb or (not recommended) add the lucid repo in sources.list
[06:53] <TJ-> binali: The dependencies might not allow it; unless you're an expert it is not a good idea to mix release repositories
[06:53] <wheatthin> why not just do a full upgrade?
[06:55] <binali> May I add lucid repo  and after installation delete lucid repo
[06:55] <binali> ?
[06:55] <TJ-> binali: The best approach might be to create a Lucid chroot to run it in
[06:55] <TJ-> binali: Not a good idea! Not unless you want to break the package management
[06:55] <makara> hi. I have two NICs, and Ubuntu detected them when I installed and asked me to choose the default, but now - ifconfig - I only see lo, and eth0. `ifup eth1` fails
[06:56] <TJ-> binali: The software hasn't been updated for over 10 years
[06:56] <TJ-> makara: "ifconfig -a"
[06:57] <binali> People, I need alternative for Electronics Worckbench)
[06:57] <merlin1978> if the visitor has slow connection and far from your server does this affect the server's resources like cpu, bandwidth, memory, etc...  ?
[06:57] <makara> TJ-, ok I see eth1
[06:58] <TJ-> makara: "ifup eth1" won't do anything unless there's a stanza in "/etc/network/interfaces" for that interface
[06:59] <binali> Is it simple way, if I download all .deb and install it with dpkg?
[06:59] <shadej> merlin1978: it may affect your bandwidth  but not that much I think
[06:59] <binali> Sorry for my english =)
[07:12] <bjorn96> how can i use silverlight on ubuntu?
[07:13] <hateball> !silverlight
[07:16] <bjorn96> .t E: Klarer ikke å finne pakken moonlight-plugin-mozilla
[07:19] <bjorn96> .t Klarer ikke å finne pakken moonlight-plugin-mozilla
[07:19] <bjorn96> doesent translate work here?
[07:20] <bjorn96> terminal error: Can't seem to find the package moonlight-plugin-mozilla
[07:23] <ruien> bjorn96: "    apt-cache search 'moonlight-plugin-mozilla'    " doesn't turn up anything for me -- are you sure what you're looking for exists?
[07:23] <Rudde> Hi, i've just installed ubuntu 12 on my laptop it had WiFi capabilities during install but don't have it after install how is that even possible?
[07:24] <bjorn96> have u enabled the wifi key?
[07:24] <Rudde> I don't have a wifi key on the laptop
[07:24] <varun_> Rudde, not only is it possible, but is common too, especially with some broadcom chips.
[07:25] <Rudde> I have intel chip
[07:25] <bjorn96> ruien: no, i have no idea how i get the plugin??
[07:25] <Rudde> Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6235
[07:25] <ruien> bjorn96: is it just a firefox plugin? You should be able to install it from the browser, no need for apt, unless I'm missing something?
[07:26] <varun_> Rudde, can you run a script to give us a detailed report ? I'll give you the link with instructions..
[07:27] <Rudde> Yes, what script shall I run?
[07:27] <varun_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12350385#post12350385 Rudde
[07:28] <varun_> Rudde, give us the pastebin link to the report it generates
[07:28] <bjorn96> ruien: im not shure at all. all i know is that i use chromium. :)
[07:30] <Rudde> http://pastebin.com/dPN1ffFh
[07:32] <ruien> bjorn96: I don't need silverlight, so I have not tried it, but this looks like what you might want: http://dennygoot.blogspot.com/2012/01/moonlight-installed-in-firefox-on.html
[07:33] <varun_> Rudde, it is a 7260 chip, that needs a newer firmware that is not yet present in your system.
[07:34] <Rudde> Hmm, how can I get it?
[07:34] <Rudde> But why did it work during installation?
[07:35] <varun_> Rudde, not sure. For now, please try - "sudo apt-get update" .... then ........ "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" ..... then ..... "sudo apt-get install linux-firmware"
[07:36] <Rudde> nothing new on any of them
[07:37] <varun_> Rudde, as per my knowledge, the required firmware should have been part of 3.11 kernel (and later). It might have been corrupted or something else. Did the update/dist-upgrade finish successfully?
[07:38] <Rudde> yes
[07:38] <Rudde> and i have restarted since
[07:39] <Rudde> Also this worked when I had the laptop in non UEFI mode, but I had other bugs there
[07:40] <varun_> Rudde, UEFI or Legacy modes have nothing to do with wireless functionality, so don't worry about that. Please do now - "sudo apt-get clean" .. then.. "sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-firmware"
[07:41] <kimprince> ruien, this 13.10 install got to the last few bits but it has been stuck on Downloading Packages for more than an hour.  If I hit skip, will these packages get downloaded later?
[07:41] <kimprince> seems to be working on ubuntu ubiquity
[07:42] <Rudde> and restart?
[07:42] <ruien> kimprince: ah, i live in china so i have that problem too sometimes -- it's stupid and doesn't let you choose a good mirror for installation. My "solution" is to completely disconnect internet during installation, so it has to install offline. Then, I just install updates after i've set a good mirror.
[07:43] <kimprince> thanks ruien..
[07:43] <varun_> Rudde, restart shouldn't be necessary. We can manually reload the module
[07:46] <suore> Hello i have problem ducument viewar not printing 2 paged at  1 paper page as landscape.....
[07:47] <suore> need help, its vey important how to pring pdf file at landscape (2 pages at 1 paper page)
[07:47] <suore> landscape
[07:50] <mufic><PHONE_NUMBER>6
[07:51] <Rudde> varun_: I found this: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlwifi installed from there and solved the problem :)
[07:51] <Rudde> Thanks for your time, and debugging anyway :)
[07:51] <varun_> Rudde, awesome !
[07:53] <varun_> Rudde, while looking for an older post (when the firmware was not part of kernel), I found this new one that may be interesting for you, should you face any inconsistency issues : http://askubuntu.com/a/411515
[07:55] <Rudde> Yeah something like that I did just that iwlwifi-7260 didnt exists in firmware diretory from before
[07:56] <Rudde> And didn't know I had a -ac card in this PC, no wonder why the network was so fast when I was testing it before
[07:56] <wheatthin> how come the default browser setting doesn't launch urls in my default browser?
[07:57] <wheatthin> without having to right click to launch a link
[07:58] <varun_> Rudde, it seems you can use its full capability since kernel 3.13+ (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2178873&p=12930277#post12930277)
[07:58] <Rudde> Is ubuntu 13 in kernel 3.13?
[07:59] <varun_> Rudde, Nope, it is still under development. Perhaps better not to experiment when it is working, and let it come naturally with recommended updates :)
[07:59] <wheatthin> latest?
[08:00] <wheatthin> 3.11.0-17 is with the updates
[08:00] <Rudde> indeed, will it come to ubuntu 12 to?
[08:00] <ruien> Rudde: no, ubuntu 14.04 uses kernel 3.13 currently
[08:01] <mufic> facebook
[08:02] <mufic> hi
[08:02] <oinkers> nope not facebook
[08:02] <oinkers> this is irc
[08:02] <mufic> what is your opinion in ubuntu
[08:02] <oinkers> lol
[08:02] <oinkers> i love it
[08:02] <oinkers> it's free
[08:02] <varun_> Rudde, probably 12.04.5 will have whatever version 14.04 will come with : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[08:02] <mufic> from where you
[08:02] <oinkers> and doesn't spy on you like windows
[08:03] <mufic> i know
[08:04] <mufic> you use it??
[08:04] <oinkers> of course
[08:04] <helmut_> hi
[08:04] <oinkers> hi
[08:04] <mufic> hi
[08:05] <icedwater> oinkers: how do you know it doesn't spy on you?
[08:05] <oinkers> multiple sources says it doesn't
[08:05] <oinkers> A for security
[08:05] <varun_> icedwater, don't disclose the long kept secret :P
[08:05] <oinkers> windows d- and f
[08:06] <oinkers> lol
[08:06] <icedwater> varun_: sorry, wrong channel :P
[08:06]  * icedwater joins #win95
[08:06] <oinkers> lmfao
[08:06] <oinkers> windows 3.1
[08:06] <oinkers> where are those floppy disks
[08:07] <icedwater> You mean flappy disks.
[08:07] <oinkers> yes
[08:07] <kimprince> ruien, do you know if I can access an old storage partitioned for 12.04 with 13.10?  (It would be great to be able to access my old files this way...)
[08:07] <ruien> kimprince: lol, yes, of course - no problem.
[08:07] <icedwater> kimprince: I don't think partitions vary by distribution version.. did you check what filesystem is in use?
[08:09] <kimprince> The install split my main drive (not the one with OS installed) in half.  I can only see one half from the file manager.  How do I see/load/mount the other partition?
[08:09] <rannonga> sudo fdisk -l to find the partitions
[08:10] <rannonga> then sudo mount /dev/partition dest
[08:10] <Guest33920> #join /python
[08:10] <varun_> kimprince, Ubuntu installer does not split partitions just like that. If it split it, it must have used it for some mount point. As such, it would be now part of your last installation and may have been overwritten (partially)
[08:11] <RockyRoad> Hi there :)
[08:12] <RockyRoad> I need help to fix java install or remove on ubuntu 13.04 before being able to upgrade
[08:12] <Blanco|taf> Hi
[08:13] <RockyRoad> I couldn't find any solution on the web
[08:13] <RockyRoad> Would someone be able to guide me ?
[08:14] <makara> hi. I can't do updates `sudo apt-get update` = `Err http://security.ubuntu.com precise-security Release.gpg \ Temporary failure resolving 'security.ubuntu.com'`
[08:14] <varun_> RockyRoad, not much idea about java, but is it preventing you from updating?
[08:14] <makara> and /etc/resolv.conf is empty
[08:14] <RockyRoad> it is. apt-get returns error each time
[08:15] <varun_> makara, is it a normal installation? that file can't be empty
[08:15] <Noobler> hello
[08:15] <makara> varun_, its a server, 12.04
[08:15] <Noobler> helllllllllllo
[08:15] <Noobler> herrooo
[08:15] <varun_> RockyRoad, please give us the pastebin link to the exact error you get while updating..
[08:15] <RockyRoad> would a pastebin of log help ?
[08:16] <varun_> :)
[08:16] <RockyRoad> !
[08:16] <ruien> makara: maybe echo <IP_ADDRESS> (or whatever your DNS server is) to /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base and 'service resolvconf restart'?
[08:17] <varun_> makara, the error you are getting means apt is reading sources from *somewhere*, (also, the failure may indeed be temporary - server down or something like that)
[08:18] <makara> ruien, base is empty, original has my nameserver in it
[08:19] <varun_> makara, maybe search for the string "http://security.ubuntu.com precise-security" in you /etc/apt directory (grep -R 'http://security.ubuntu.com precise-security' /etc/apt)
[08:19] <ruien> makara: what do you mean, "original"? resolvconf has two pieces, "base" and "head", and you put your nameserver in "base". Then "service resolvconf restart" builds /etc/resolv.conf for you
[08:20] <uronu> hello
[08:20] <ruien> makara:  should look something like "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" in "base", at least that's what I have, and yes I have to do this when installing ubuntu (/etc/resolv.conf being empty at first is normal)
[08:20] <makara> ruien, i, or someone else, must have run some script that renamed it
[08:20] <uronu> how to dual boot ubuntu with ubuntu
[08:20] <uronu> ?
[08:21] <RockyRoad> varun_, Here is end of my /var/log/apt/term.log : https://gist.github.com/RockyRoad29/9130602
[08:24] <makara> ruien, I've rebooted, resolv.conf has rebuilt, and now apt-get update just hangs
[08:25] <ruien> makara: can you ping something? ping baidu.com -- what happens?
[08:26] <varun_> RockyRoad, "ERROR 403: Sorry, not allowed to fetch that type of file: jdk-8-ea-bin-b124-linux-x64-19_jan_2014.tar.gz" <--- not sure what to do with this kind of error. Are you getting error while doing normal update (sudo apt-get update) too?
[08:26] <makara> ruien, no, but I can't from another server, nor my laptop
[08:26] <makara> it resolves though
[08:27] <ruien> it resolves to an IP, but no ping to any host (google.com, etc)? Seems like a network problem, not a /etc/resolv.conf problem
[08:28] <mufic> hi
[08:28] <makara> ruien, firewall is probably blocking icmp
[08:28] <rannonga> hi mufic
[08:28] <makara> i can ping another internal server
[08:28] <ruien> makara: ah, so "telnet google.com 80" works okay, right?
[08:29] <RockyRoad_> varun_, some time ago I tried to fix java by installing the jdk by hand, now I'm afraid it's all a mess
[08:29] <makara> ruien, interesting. it doesn't.
[08:30] <rannonga> RockyRoad_: why didnt you install the ubuntu packages
[08:31] <mufic> i have aproblem with install netbeans can any one help me??
[08:32] <mufic> hi rannonga
[08:32] <ruien> makara: okay, it's a network or firewall problem then. try to debug that (ifconfig and /etc/network/interfaces), let me know in PM if you need help.
[08:33] <RockyRoad_> some apps needed the oracle jdk, so I went the webup8 way ...
[08:33] <makara> ruien, i've set a static IP for eth0
[08:33] <mufic> ok i install jdk
[08:33] <mufic> i use ubuntu 13.10
[08:33] <rannonga> mufic just sudo apt-get install netbeans it will pull in all of the deps
[08:34] <makara> ruien, http://pastebin.com/8VGXgNpF
[08:35] <makara> ruien, http://pastebin.com/2LvSNwmD
[08:35] <ruien> makara: okay, i'll check it out in a minute and PM you. Buried in some work at the moment.
[08:35] <makara> ruien, thanks
[08:36] <mufic> what can i do if i want to start learning java
[08:37] <makara> mufic, #java
[08:37] <mufic> yeah
[08:38] <kimprince> ruien, thanks VERY much for your help today.   Thanks 4 help
[08:41] <RockyRoad_> what is puzzling is that "apt-get purge oracle-java8-installer" fails https://gist.github.com/RockyRoad29/9130602#file-gistfile1-txt
[08:42] <ruien> makara: unfortunate :( if you could get any packets through, you could tunnel your traffic and probably solve the problem
[08:42] <iriri> Hello.
[08:43] <rannonga> hi iriri
[08:43] <iriri> I downloaded and installed via apt-get. When commanded "sudo startx" it  showed "cinammon error" notification (I don't even have cinnamon). I  commanded only "startx" and it showed a black screen for couple of  minutes. I rebooted computer, and finally an interface. But when I type  password on my user, it makes the sound of when it shows the interface  after booting, and get back to the interface as I never typed anything.  Typed several times and always
[08:43] <iriri> OOPS
[08:44] <rannonga> iriri: ubuntu minimal?
[08:44] <iriri> 12.04
[08:44] <rannonga> weird
[08:44] <iriri> My  ubuntu wasn't booting. Showed a prompt "user-XY:login", i typedthe user  from the machine, it asked the password, I gave, and turned from a prompt  to a terminal style. I commanded "reboot", but I can't get into the  machine.
[08:44] <iriri> I don't want to lose all the infa I have there.
[08:45] <iriri> So, I installed the startx as I wrote above. (sorry, I inverted the text order, I'm copy/pasting)
[08:46] <iriri> I can use aurora on guest-user, so I didn't lose all the data.
[08:46] <iriri> Even so, I can't acess it.
[08:48] <ruien> iriri: can you get into a terminal? If so, you can just use a command-line tool like rsync to copy all of your data off the computer, then re-format it. That might not be the best approach, but getting your data off should make anything else you try a lot safer.
[08:48] <mufic> java and linux is two faces for one coins
[08:48] <rannonga> iriri tried changing your login manager?
[08:48] <leeyaa> hello
[08:49] <mufic> hi
[08:49] <leeyaa> how to add a custom script that i want to be executed on networking restart/start
[08:49] <iriri> I'm on the gues-user, as I can't boot by my normal-user. When I type password it shows the log-in page again.
[08:49] <iriri> guest*
[08:49] <iriri> The terminal can't sudo.
[08:49] <rannonga> leeyaa: whats networking restart
[08:49] <ruien> does root have a password? just "su -"
[08:49] <leeyaa> rannonga: /etc/init.d/networking restart for example
[08:49] <Lorith[Alpha]> iriri u can use the recovery boot
[08:50] <Lorith[Alpha]> to reset your pw
[08:50] <mufic> bye everyone :)
[08:52] <iriri> Yes.
[08:52] <iriri> Yes, I can use it. So as I can acess guest-user. What I want is to fix the normal-user
[08:53] <leeyaa> is it possible to do that ?
[08:54] <varun_> leeyaa, if the interface is controlled by the /etc/network/interfaces file, you can add your script to /etc/network/ifup.d (or ifdown.d) directory.
[08:55] <geirha> or write an upstart file that triggers on that event
[08:55] <leeyaa> varun_: what is the difference between two? ifup will start it on networking start ?
[08:56] <varun_> leeyaa, yup, the difference is as the name suggests.
[08:56] <leeyaa> it is a vpn interface, atm i am starting it from terminal
[08:56] <leeyaa> not sure how to add it to start on networking restart
[08:57] <varun_> leeyaa, it is also possible via adding your scripts to 'Upstart' jobs, but I don't know how to do that.
[08:58] <varun_> leeyaa, but if you are starting it manually from terminal, why don't you add the script to your starting command as well?
[08:58] <leeyaa> varun_: what do you mean ?
[09:00] <xeon> Hi everyone
[09:01] <varun_> leeyaa, if you have to enter a command in terminal MANUALLY anyway, what advantage would you get by automating the script. Just it manually too. OR, add your command to start the VPN interface to your script in question, and just run that modified script from the terminal
[09:01] <varun_> just *run it manually too *
[09:02] <leeyaa> varun_: but how to make it start when networking service is restarted
[09:02] <leeyaa> because atm if restart it vpn doesnt start on its own
[09:02] <xeon> I use BackTrack5 r3. Is  possible  hack the  web site with BackTrack?
[09:04] <DJones> xeon: Backtrack isn't supported here, neither is discussion about illegal activities
[09:04] <varun_> leeyaa, which physical interface your VPN uses? Is that interface controlled by the /etc/network/interfaces file?
[09:04] <leeyaa> varun_: no, i dont know how to do that
[09:04] <leeyaa> it uses eth0
[09:05] <leeyaa> thats the only physical interface
[09:05] <varun_> DJones, why not? I'm keen to tell everyone how I hacked into NSA servers yesterday.. :|
[09:06] <varun_> leeyaa, are you controlling eth0 via the interfaces file or with Network Manager?
[09:06] <leeyaa> varun_: it is set up in interfaces file
[09:06] <leeyaa> not sure what network manager is
[09:07] <leeyaa> im coming from centos and i inherited these ubuntu servers, so i feel very lame ;p
[09:07] <Karmahacker> Hi everyone! how could i limit Gnome interface to specific user ?
[09:08] <varun_> leeyaa, the GUI program where you manage the network connections from - that is, if you are using it.
[09:08] <TJ-> leeyaa: You can add an "     up ..." clause the the parent interface that executes a script to bring up the VPN
[09:08] <leeyaa> varun_: i dont have any gui on any of the machines
[09:08] <TJ-> leeyaa: What kind of VPN is it? IPSec, PPTP, SSL ?
[09:09] <leeyaa> erm, it is juniper network connect thing, interface is tun0
[09:09] <varun_> leeyaa, TJ- seems to have first hand experience with these, please try what he suggests
[09:09] <leeyaa> TJ-: not sure how to check it out. it does use ssl
[09:10] <TJ-> leeyaa: Network Manager is a system service that can manage network interfaces automatically... it also has a GUI front-end called nm-applet or similar, which is a small GUI client that talks to the network-manager service
[09:10] <leeyaa> TJ-: i dont have any gui and i am not allowed to install any
[09:11] <TJ-> leeyaa: If you already have the script to start the VPN, then for example in "/etc/network/interfaces" you might add to the "iface eth0 inet static" stanza, something like "    up /usr/local/bin/vpn_start.sh"
[09:12] <TJ-> leeyaa: You don't need a GUI for Network Manager, it's configurable via config files the same as other system services, but you don't need Network Manager either, if you configure the interfaces via "/etc/network/interfaces", which is used by the ifup/down scripts
[09:12] <abzmodeel> anyone familiar with ubuntu server
[09:13] <leeyaa> TJ-: so something like this then ? http://bpaste.net/show/979MHLnwaHRIVRkekFg2/
[09:14] <TJ-> leeyaa: Yes... for more info "man ifup" and see the "IFACE OPTIONS" section
[09:14] <leeyaa> interesting
[09:14] <leeyaa> thank you tj
[09:15] <TJ-> leeyaa: You can provide script in the usual location: "/etc/network/if-up.d/" - there's several sub-dirs there for the various stages of an interface's lifecycle
[09:15] <TJ-> leeyaa: down, post-down, pre-up, up
[09:16] <TJ-> leeyaa: A good tip: Debian/Ubuntu are *very* hot on having complete documentation of commands and config files in the man pages... so it ought to be your 1st port of call when you need to find something out like this
[09:17] <leeyaa> TJ-: im just very new to ubuntu, i will read documentation, but need to get that thing up and running first
[09:18] <TJ-> leeyaa: Another tip: if you know a command but don't know which package it is installed from: "dpkg-query -S <some-text-in-command-name>" will report the package-name.... To see everything that package installed "dpkg-query -L <package-name>"
[09:18] <TJ-> leeyaa: Yes, it's a strong learning curve switching from RHEL-based to Debian-based
[09:18] <yacc_> TJ-: actually, Debian is hot on having documentation, Ubuntu-specific stuff, especially if it's GUI related or internal admin stuff often ends up with 7 undocumented
[09:19] <TJ-> yacc_: Well, if it's GUI then there's not much use for a man-page!
[09:19] <yacc_> TJ-: last item coming to mind would be all the nice oem-config commands that only exist during an OEM install.
[09:19] <MKCoin> I disabled zeitgeist's collection of "Recent files" etc, but I noticed it still shows the last set of recent files from before I disabled collection. How can I clear out that cache?
[09:19] <yacc_> TJ-: well, config files, general purpose, and so on.
[09:19] <leeyaa> TJ-: there is no package for this vpn, actually it is from a rpm package. thanks for the tip tho
[09:20] <leeyaa> lets see if i will be able to make it auto start ;p
[09:20] <chanthu> hey
[09:21] <TJ-> yacc_: well there is man 8 oem-config-{firstboot,prepare,}
[09:21] <TJ-> yacc_: I suspect those being so specialised most of the knowledge is inside Canonical
[09:21] <yacc_> TJ-: not for the command that is run when you click on "prepare for end-user"
[09:22] <Squiggz> Does anyone use plex???
[09:22] <leeyaa> TJ-: can i configure that tun0 interface in interfaces file and then start it via ifup ?
[09:22] <leeyaa> or something like that ?
[09:22] <TJ-> leeyaa: Yes
[09:22] <Squiggz> I am having trouble with plex server reading my External hdd drive
[09:22] <yacc_> TJ-: anyway, Debian is slightly more religious than Ubuntu on having man pages.
[09:22] <Squiggz> with all my files on it
[09:23] <TJ-> yacc_: Indeed
[09:23] <TJ-> Squiggz: You broke it again?
[09:23] <yacc_> TJ-: Anyway, commercial environment, has it good and bad side. (E.g. the alternate installer was dropped before the GUI has all the functionality).
[09:24] <yacc_> TJ-: that would be creating a LVM with the manual partitioning tool (Hint: you won't do that)
[09:24] <Squiggz> TJ-: hahahaha
[09:24] <TJ-> yacc_: typical case isn't it? Some developers still don't seem grasp the basic user satisfaction issue of not removing functionality just because they have a shiney new toy to program
[09:24] <Squiggz> it is actually working great plex just wont recognize anything for some reason
[09:25] <yacc_> TJ-: well, not having a text mode installer (the mini.iso is not compatible with usb creator, and has potential issues with UEFI) is kind of stupid.
[09:26] <yacc_> TJ-: hardware should work, but realistically, in some cases you might need to configure/install manually before, ...
[09:26] <_Cody> i heard ubuntu does not use xorg. why can i still use stuff like xmodmap then?
[09:27] <yacc_> _Cody: it still uses X11.
[09:27] <yacc_> _Cody: we wanted to get rid of it, but it takes time it seems.
[09:27] <_Cody> innovation is always interesting :)
[09:28] <_Cody> ok, but then i am informed and can tell ubuntu-users they can use my keyboard layout too
[09:28] <ruien> Hello, According to debian policy at https://wiki.debian.org/RepositoryFormat, a repository "shall provide the InRelease file, and might provide a Release file", but it seems that http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty provides "Release" only. If I am making a private ubuntu repo (not a mirror), should I follow debian Policy or follow the example of us.archive.ubuntu.com ?
[09:30] <xiaojunyu> = =
[09:31] <logic_prog_> sudo /sbin/ifconfig eth1 up ==> eth1 got a ipv6 address, but no ipv4 address
[09:32] <logic_prog_> how do I force it to get a ipv4 address?
[09:33] <xiaojunyu> I do not know
[09:34] <RockyRoad_> varun_, I think I solved it \o/
[09:34] <RockyRoad_> https://gist.github.com/RockyRoad29/9130602#file-09_shell_interaction
[09:35] <RockyRoad_> I needed to  purge both java installers at once
[09:35] <RockyRoad_>  sudo apt-get purge oracle-java7-installer oracle-java8-installer
[09:36] <varun_> RockyRoad_, congrats
[09:36] <Squiggz> hey TJ-: any chance you can send me that line again for the 3.0
[09:36] <varun_> :)
[09:36] <scarleo> Hi, looking for some advice whether I should use amavisd (already installed) or opendkim for DKIM signing, anyone have any experience of the two?
[09:36] <RockyRoad_> thanks varun_
[09:36] <Squiggz> it works fine i jsut want it for future , you never know
[09:38] <IamTrying> http://iteration99.com/2013/php-json-licensing-and-php-5-5/  - Ubuntu 13.10 64-bit i am getting PHP Fatal error: Call to undefined function json_decode()
[09:42] <TJ-> Squiggz: ?
[09:42] <Squiggz> yup im here
[09:42] <Squiggz> im on like 3 of these things sorry
[09:43] <TJ-> Oh, you mean the iommu= change?
[09:43] <Squiggz> yea the last one
[09:43] <TJ-> Feb 20 15:12:11 <TJ->   Squiggz: " sudo sed -i  's/\(GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=".*\)\("\)/\1 iommu=soft\2/' /etc/default/grub && sudo update-grub"
[09:44] <Squiggz> thast it thanks
[09:47] <RockyRoad_> varun_, for some reason release upgrade silently fails
[09:47] <RockyRoad_> (from graphical software update ...)
[09:48] <smallmouse> can someone assist please I am on server (logged in ) and need to copy a file from that server onto my local machine.  I am in terminal.  I am using the following command but is not working.  root@server:~#    cp test_1.csv /home
[09:49] <varun_> RockyRoad_, it is not recommended anyway. Unless you are using everything from the recommended repositories only, and have been updating regularly, it is very prone to breakage. Fresh installation is the recommended way to upgrade.
[09:49] <wsnipex> scp test_1.csv [yourusername]@yourlocalmachine:~
[09:49] <smallmouse> wsnipex: thanks
[09:51] <RockyRoad_> So it means all manually installed packages and settings will be lost ?? not cool ...
[09:52] <varun_> RockyRoad_, bitter truth, although there are ways to carry them over to the new install, but I'm not much familiar with them.
[09:52] <TJ-> RockyRoad_: Do it from the terminal, you'll get useful info there or in the log-files
[09:52] <TJ-> RockyRoad_: "sudo do-release-upgrade"
[09:53] <RockyRoad_> THANKS T3, I didn't know that command
[09:53] <varun_> RockyRoad_, most of the installed packages get upgraded anyway, so it is usually not too different than reinstalling them fresh. But yeah, redoing the settings/preferences hurts.
[09:55] <varun_> RockyRoad_, installing the packages in one go is easy with "dpkg --get-selections > yourlistfile" and "sudo dpkg --set-selections.." commands
[09:56] <rambo3> Can you help me get this machine on the network, I havent booted into this machine in over a year . And internet is not working . /etc/hosts seems ok, restarted networking and nothing . I tryed disableing IPv6 and restarting neworking still nothing ,. any tips
[09:56] <RockyRoad_> Yes I had read that... The potential conflict might still arise then ?
[09:57] <survietamine> hello, on a 11.04 server I've got this error in syslog each time (monthly) logrotate ntp. Seems to be related to a apparmor config. "Feb 21 06:35:11 ctp-linhomes kernel: [12659531.614466] type=1503 audit(1392960911.936:982):  operation="file_perm" pid=20691 parent=1 profile="/usr/sbin/ntpd" requested_mask="::w" denied_mask="::w" fsuid=106 ouid=0 name="/var/log/ntp.log.1". What can I do ? Change apparmor or logrotate config ? or both ?
[09:57] <gavino> hey can yoy help me? i wanna install firefox 27 last on xubuntu 11.10 without dalyzation my system? could i?
[10:00] <bodroff> Есть кто не сильно занят?
[10:00] <genii> !ru | bodroff
[10:00] <varun_> rambo3, what kind of interface is this? Ethernet or wireless?
[10:01] <gavino> wireless
[10:01] <RockyRoad_> TJ-, unfortunately, it doesn't work for me: https://gist.github.com/RockyRoad29/9131677
[10:02] <rambo3> varun_: eth
[10:02] <TJ-> RockyRoad_: The error is pretty clear "Your Ubuntu release is not supported anymore."
[10:02] <bodroff> ! ru
[10:02] <TJ-> RockyRoad_: See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[10:02] <RockyRoad_> yep, that is why I needed to upgrade .!
[10:03] <varun_> rambo3, please give us the pastebin link to the output of - "sudo lshw -numeric -C network"
[10:03] <RockyRoad_> Thanks again TJ-, great help :)
[10:04] <rambo3> !pastebin
[10:07] <rambo3> varun_:  not paste but written http://paste.ubuntu.com/6970045/
[10:10] <rambo3> varun_:  I think i found similar problem http://www.allquests.com/question/1991758/Intel-82562EZ-e100-and-eepro100-Issues.html
[10:11] <varun_> rambo3, sorry , multitasking here.. . taking a look at the previous link now.. :)
[10:12] <Guest44395> Hi, How do I change the ownership of a new partition?
[10:13] <Guest44395> I just did gksudo
[10:13] <Guest44395> that seemed tp worked
[10:13] <varun_> rambo3, you can redirect the output to a file like this "sudo lshw -numeric -C network > lshw.txt". Then move this file to a system which has internet connection and copy-paste the contents from there.
[10:16] <RockyRoad_> varun_, TJ-, would it be ok if I kept (across release fresh install) a partition for /usr/local/?
[10:17] <TJ-> RockyRoad_: Yes; that's how I do all mine.
[10:17] <varun_> ..and I never did it, so can't suggest.. TJ- , RockyRoad_  :)
[10:17] <RockyRoad_> Ok I'll try to go that way then. I was worried of lib conflicts
[10:18] <TJ-> RockyRoad_: generally, /usr/local/ is in the path before /usr/
[10:20] <armin> hi, is there no init script for NetworkManager anymore? thanks.
[10:20] <MrHanky_> hey all
[10:20] <armin> s/init\ script/upstart\ job/ or whatever if you don't like that phrasing. :)
[10:20] <MrHanky_> I'm looking for some help with ubuntu and I'm all googled out !
[10:21] <MrHanky_> I'm trying to install electrum onto a live usb using apt-offline
[10:21] <MrHanky_> but on both my online ubuntu and my live usb, python-pip can't be found via apt-get
[10:21] <MrHanky_> I'm sure it's as simple as a missing repository... but for the life of me I can't find out what it is
[10:22] <MrHanky_> E: Unable to locate package python-pip
[10:22] <MrHanky_> anyone have any ideas?
[10:22] <TJ-> armin: upstart: /etc/init/network-manager.conf
[10:23] <TJ-> MrHanky_: It's in the Universe pcoket
[10:23] <TJ-> MrHanky_: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=saucy&keywords=python-pip
[10:24] <armin> TJ-: so how would one restart that one in a sane way?
[10:24] <mattlb0619> Has anyone used the Yate Loon d12 series of fans?
[10:25] <MrHanky_> ahh
[10:25] <MrHanky_> TJ that is helpful
[10:25] <Guest44395> Can anyone help me.  I would like to join a Fedora channel how do I do that?
[10:25] <MrHanky_> I did add the universe repository to my offline box tho
[10:25] <MrHanky_> I guess I'm not sure what the sequence of events is to trigger an apt-update via apt-offline
[10:25] <MrHanky_> (I thought I knew, but obviously whatever I did is wrong)
[10:26] <MrHanky_> assuming that /media/usb/cold.sig and media/usb/apt-offline are my offline-boxes signatures and package storages respectively, what are the commands I ened to run on the offline / online boxes to get apt-offline updated on the offline one?
[10:31] <Joschii> bbl
[10:31] <Panda^> hello how can i have vhost in my vps ?
[10:31] <Panda^> anyone>
[10:33] <zaitzev> Panda^: reverse dns, look it up :)
[10:35] <Squiggz> Can anyone help me with a plex problem, im on the plex freenode but noone ever response
[10:35] <Squiggz> I went back to scratch in ubuntu
[10:36] <genii> !info plex
[10:36] <genii> Hm.
[10:37] <Squiggz> no hablo? what do you mean it doesnt exsist, its in the ubuntu store
[10:37] <gebbione> hi whats the best way to check linux hardware compatibility? I use a MAC laptop and a ubuntu desktop but i am considering to buy a generic intel laptop and then run something like ubuntu on it
[10:38] <eutheria> i am really starting to hate tabbed browsing, is there anyway to disable tabs in chrome/firefox?
[10:38] <X3NQ> eutheria, what why??
[10:38] <eutheria> i keep trying to alt-tab to my last tab
[10:38] <X3NQ> gebbione, never had a problem with thinkpads
[10:39] <zaitzev> hp elitebooks too
[10:39] <JoeSomebody> when you all did not answer any of my questions yesterday i contacted canonical, no answer yet, is my old buddy ikonia around? can i have a pm?
[10:39] <gebbione> eutheria, in chrome you should be able to say open in new window rather than in new tabs
[10:39] <JoeSomebody> !seen ikonia
[10:39] <eutheria> i need to disable it else i keep opening new tabs
[10:39] <gebbione> X3NQ, are think pads lenovo these days?
[10:40] <X3NQ> gebbione, yep
[10:40] <eutheria> it is like having a second task bar
 Panda^: reverse dns, look it up <--- ahhm is it on etc folder?
[10:40] <X3NQ> eutheria, I have about 30 tabs open, would not want separate windows lol!
[10:40] <genii> JoeSomebody: He'll probably be awake in 3-4 hours
[10:41] <eutheria> i have 4 browsers open each with 30 tabs
[10:41] <eutheria> i am totally screwed
[10:41] <eutheria> if it was one list i might have a chance
[10:41] <JoeSomebody> ok :)
[10:41] <donajev> hi
[10:41] <jones_> hey how to use flex ? anyone has nice tutorials?
[10:41] <X3NQ> eutheria, you can do ctrl + 9 to get to the last tab
[10:42] <jones___> hey how to use flex ? anyone has nice tutorials?
[10:42] <eutheria> X3NQ: do you know of a way to search the tabs for certain text?
[10:42] <jones___> hey how to use flex ? anyone has nice tutorials?
[10:42] <eutheria> that would be handy
[10:43] <MrHanky_> is there a way to install python pip paackages offline?
[10:43] <MrHanky_> similar to how apt-offline works?
[10:43] <MrHanky_> or dpkg?
[10:43] <eutheria> i was trying to track down the history of a number of bugs, as they seemed to be linked, i ended up with several windows open and so many tabs the labels had no text
[10:43] <X3NQ> eutheria, hmm, never tried but don't think so :(
[10:43] <MrHanky_> "sudo pip install ecdsa slowaes" - this is what I need to achieve, but the PC I need to do it on is not net connected
[10:43] <genii> eutheria: As for the hiding/change hotkey https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/hide-tab-bar-with-one-tab/
[10:44] <profesor_> yett
[10:44] <X3NQ> MrHanky_, if you have the package can't you just do 'python ./setup.py install'?
[10:44] <profesor_> tn
[10:44] <profesor_> y
[10:44] <Squiggz> ok i think my problem is permission on my media drive for plex
[10:45] <MrHanky_> how to fetch the package though?
[10:45] <MrHanky_> sorry if it's a stupid quetsion
[10:45] <MrHanky_> probably is
[10:45] <MrHanky_> but... how to fetch a pip package?
[10:45] <profesor_> zeppelin
[10:45] <X3NQ> MrHanky_, if you're offline how are you going to get it!?
[10:45] <Squiggz> last time i screwed up i did gksu nautilis then tried to change the prmission from the properties
[10:45] <MrHanky_> USB stick
[10:45] <Squiggz> i got locked out very shortly after
[10:45] <MrHanky_> I can get it from one PC (this one - online) to another
[10:45] <profesor_> the washing machin is my response
[10:46] <X3NQ> MrHanky_, so do you have the files on the computer you want to install it on?
[10:46] <profesor_><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:46] <profesor_> jones noioooooooooo
[10:46] <profesor_> thee are always love youuuuuuu
[10:46] <MrHanky_> Umm not exactly I'm trying to install electrum (BTC wallet)
[10:46] <eutheria> genii: thanks that looks so nice without tabs
[10:47] <MrHanky_> and I run python setup.py install on electrum
[10:47] <MrHanky_> and it says it neads ecdsa
[10:47] <profesor_> i am from bosnia
[10:47] <genii> eutheria: Glad to assist
[10:47] <MrHanky_> is python-ecdsa .deb package from apt-get the same thing?
[10:47] <profesor_> electrum sucks my eggs
[10:47] <DJones> profesor_: Do you have an Ubuntu support question? This channel is only for support issues, not general chat
[10:47] <MrHanky_> <---- linux n00b :)
[10:47] <X3NQ> MrHanky_, you need the files on your computer to install them, you can't magically get them without internet
[10:48] <MrHanky_> Yep aware of that
[10:48] <profesor_> how  to use internet?
[10:48] <Squiggz> I have an ubuntu question Get plex to recognize my drive!!
[10:48] <MrHanky_> so I'm wondeirng if there's a way or place to manually retrieve the files from, via my browser or something
[10:48] <MrHanky_> for a "pip" package
[10:48] <X3NQ> MrHanky_, what are you trying to install?
[10:48] <MrHanky_> so for apt-get I can find the .deb package from the ubuntu site
[10:48] <profesor_> why ubuntu's name is ubuntu?
[10:48] <MrHanky_> but for a pip package.
[10:49] <Squiggz> becuase it was made in kenya
[10:49] <MrHanky_> Electrum
[10:49] <Squiggz> get outta here profesor dope
[10:49] <profesor_> thanks i luv you
[10:49] <X3NQ> MrHanky_, does your machine running Ubuntu have internet connectivity? Can you ping google.com?
[10:50] <profesor_> nooo squiggz be my friend please
[10:50] <MrHanky_> I have two PCs running ubuntu live cd...
[10:50] <Squiggz> dude i cant i actually have an issue
[10:50] <X3NQ> profesor_, what you on?
[10:50] <MrHanky_> 1 with internet connectivity (the one I'm talking to you on)
[10:50] <MrHanky_> and the other one is not internet connected (this is intentional)
[10:51] <MrHanky_> the one withOUT internet connectivity is the one I need to install the python ecdsa package on
[10:51] <profesor_> i'm only looking for a friend
[10:51] <MrHanky_> if it had internet, that would be as simple as typing "pip install ecdsa"
[10:51] <X3NQ> MrHanky_, wait, livecd? I'm not too familiar with bitcoin nowadays but won't you need to download the entire block chain?
[10:51] <MrHanky_> Nah electrum is a lightweight client
[10:51] <X3NQ> profesor_, go somewhere else.
[10:51] <MrHanky_> It uses a network of trusted peers
[10:52] <MrHanky_> basically people can run electrum server (containing full blockchain)
[10:52] <MrHanky_> or just the lcient
[10:52] <Squiggz> then go to the glcr profesor, becuase people actually have questions here
[10:53] <MrHanky_> basically all I want to know is, how can I accomplish "pip install ecdsa" without actually connecting it to the internet - where can I find the package file and download it, save to usb, and what ocmmand do  I need to run once I've moved the usb stick to the other PC...
[10:53] <profesor_> y love everyone
[10:53] <X3NQ> MrHanky_, ah I see. Can't you connect it to the internet temporary to install the required packages? If not you will have to download them manually then move them onto you machine (usb stick, etc..) then install them with their setup instructions, easy.
[10:54] <Squiggz> tj-: you here?
[10:54] <profesor_> viva la guardia civil!
[10:54] <MrHanky_> The idea is 'dark storage' - I lost some BTC after my synology (debian based) NAS was comrpomised and my wallet.dat got stolen.
[10:54] <MrHanky_> I'm now creating an offline wallet that will never see the internet. Period. Not even for 5 minutes.
[10:54] <MrHanky_> I realise the risk of exposure is very low, but I would prefer zero risk
[10:55] <MrHanky_> so I would prefer to never bring this PC online
[10:55] <X3NQ> MrHanky_, but it will need to be connected in some way to actually move coins in / out?
[10:55] <profesor_> i need support
[10:55] <profesor_> for find a friendo
[10:55] <profesor_> pleaseee!
[10:55] <llutz> !ot | profesor_
[10:55] <MrHanky_> To receive - no. To send - yes .... electrum lets you create an unsigned transaction (save to a .txt file) on an internet connected pc, then move it to the offline PC - you sign it there, and bring it back to the internet connected PC to be sent to the network
[10:56] <MrHanky_> It's very clever :) which is why I want to use it
[10:56] <Serano> MrHanky_ use TrueCrypt with no swap. Then everything stays encryted in the memory
[10:56] <MrHanky_> @Serano was planning on using truecrypt as a container for the private key anyway
[10:57] <Serano> well all your layers of protection fail when you pay something
[10:57] <Serano> unless it's only a receiving account
[10:57] <MrHanky_> Hmm... how so?
[10:58] <Serano> because when you would use your wallet to pay you would still have to expose it to an internet connection
[10:58] <Serano> hence then chance the data gets stolen
[10:58] <MrHanky_> nope - electrum lets you sign offline
[10:58] <Serano> To receive - no. To send - yes
[10:58] <MrHanky_> you have a 'view only' wallet on your internet connected pc
[10:58] <MrHanky_> it can "see" your wallet but can't send (it doesn't have your private key)
[10:59] <crond> Anyone have any idea why my Nexus 5 would show up in lsusb as a Nexus 4? I can't seem to mount it via mtp
[10:59] <MrHanky_> it can create transactions (unsigned) that are worthless without the signature of your private key - stored securely on your offline pc
[10:59] <MrHanky_> in this case, an offline live-usb stick
[10:59] <MrHanky_> which will be booted on my laptop with no ethernet cable connected, and wifi not configured
[10:59] <MrHanky_> so i import the unsigned transaction, sign it with my private key (retrieved from my truecrypt volume)
[11:00] <MrHanky_> then bring the signed transcation back to my internet connected PC
[11:00] <Serano> if the possibility exists than you could do it
[11:00] <MrHanky_> if you're interested, check it out https://electrum.org/
[11:00] <MrHanky_> If this works for me, I'll never use bitcoin-qt again :)
[11:01] <X3NQ> Got my wallet somewhere on a little encrypted usb stick. Got about 40 bitcoins on there
[11:01] <MrHanky_> Nice.
[11:01] <Serano> the system looks nice. I just use a usb-live with truecrypt
[11:02] <profesor_2> Djones you are so bad person...
[11:02] <X3NQ> MrHanky_, back in the day when you could ask for free bitcoins and a friend gave me 10 to get started
[11:02] <profesor_2> q9mn hbdc s sjn
[11:02] <MrHanky_> nice
[11:03] <profesor_2> Ali_a
[11:03] <profesor_2> who wanna be my frieeeend
[11:05] <MrHanky_> OK so it seems I worked it out
[11:05] <MrHanky_> if I fetch the tar.gz from pypi.python.org/simple/ blah blah... then just python setup.py install
[11:05] <lng> Hi! After system upgrade, I couldn't login. Xorg.0.log has an errors: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6970295/
[11:06] <MrHanky_> VOILA "Finished processing dependencies for Electrum==1.9.7"
[11:08] <diecastarts> hey guys, have a odd problem. I had a little crash of a game. so i shut down and when i booted up again i cannot login to lubuntu desktop. just goes black screen for a second then goes right back to the login screen again. over and over. but i logged into openbox mode no problem.