[12:32] <drunkpunk> hey all just found out about u guys and wondered how to help
[12:33] <elky> the /topic will help. introduce yourself on the mailing list, etc :)
[12:34] <drunkpunk> hi elky what marketing materials are available?
[12:35] <drunkpunk> i tried to send an SAE to get some UBuntu stickers and never had anything back...
[12:35] <elky> as i said, introduce yourself to the mailing list mentioned in the /topic of this channel
[12:36] <drunkpunk> so juts go to ubuntu-marketing/topic?
[12:36] <drunkpunk> apologies for my noobeness
[12:39] <elky> no, type "/topic" without the quote marks in to your irc client wherre you're typing to me already
[12:39] <elky> it'll tell you the message that's been put in to the topic of this channel
[12:40] <elky> !ml
[12:40] <ubot4> Mail is another medium to communicate. Ubuntu mailing lists can be found at http://lists.ubuntu.com
[12:40] <elky> :)
[12:41] <drunkpunk> i seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! lol
[12:44] <drunkpunk> okeydoke, joined UK mailing list
[12:45] <drunkpunk> now do you assign me a gun and Bill Gates address?
[12:52] <popey> drunkpunk: uk mailing list isnt the marketing mailing list
[12:53] <popey> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[12:56] <drunkpunk> popey: thx! NOW i get the gun?
[12:57] <popey> we tend not to advocate violence towards the CEOs of our competitors.
[12:57] <talsemgeest> drunkpunk: We prefer to improve Ubuntu rather than putting down microsoft :)
[12:57] <drunkpunk> ok, i'll accept tha
[12:57] <drunkpunk> i was just attempting humour
[12:58] <drunkpunk> and beside they do already do so much for us
[12:58] <popey> indeed, they released Windows Vista.. which was an epic win for us :)
[12:58] <talsemgeest> drunkpunk: I think Linus Torvalds puts it best: "Really, I'm not out to destroy Microsoft. That will just be a completely unintentional side effect. "
[12:59] <drunkpunk> lol it was Vista that pushed me to go Ubuntu
[12:59] <drunkpunk> and i aint lookin back
[13:00] <drunkpunk> so far persuaded 5 people on my college course to try ubuntu and would like to get a minimum of one linux box on campus itself
[13:00] <talsemgeest> drunkpunk: Very nice :)
[13:04] <drunkpunk> spose i'd better go read those mailing lists and get some clue what this place is all about
[13:04] <drunkpunk> any further tips or advice?
[13:13] <drunkpunk> have i broken some kind of netiquette round here?
[13:13] <popey> nope
[13:14] <popey> it's just frequently quiet here
[13:14] <drunkpunk> phew! thought i'd popped into some closed meeting and evryone was waiting for me to leave before any actuall discussion continued
[13:17] <drunkpunk> so how does this place work? does most discussion take place via mailing lists?
[13:17] <popey> the marketing team is somewhat quiet
[13:18] <popey> so communication doesn't happen in many places
[13:19] <drunkpunk> shame, i have quite a bit of energy and i'd love to help
[13:20] <popey> feel free!
[13:21] <drunkpunk> so, what has the marketing team done in the less quiet moments?
[13:24] <popey> good question
[13:24] <popey> "not much"
[13:24] <drunkpunk> wow this bears all the hallmarks of a challenge!
[13:26] <drunkpunk> i was thinking there'd be some kind of promotional resources pack
[13:27] <drunkpunk> even if it was only like a DIT printout type affair
[13:27] <drunkpunk> DIY*
[13:29] <drunkpunk> do you guys have any donations sent your way?
[13:29] <popey> there are DIY marketing items
[13:29] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing/
[13:29] <drunkpunk> thx
[13:29] <popey> http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org/
[13:30] <drunkpunk> please dont think i'm being overcritical - i'm just making up for my lack of research at this stage
[13:30] <elky> popey, oh that's where spreadubuntu went to?
[13:30] <popey> didnt know it moved
[13:30] <elky> i tried spreadubuntu.com
[13:30] <elky> it goes to ubuntu.com
[13:30] <popey> it should be moving to spread.ubuntu.com
[13:30] <popey> (I think)
[13:33] <drunkpunk> while i'm here, can u guys help with a basic IRC question - how to add groups like you guys and ubuntu help so i dont have to type in channels when i wnat to return?  i'm using pidgin...
[13:33] <popey> i dont know, I dont use pidgin, sorry
[13:35] <drunkpunk> np, i'm learning like 5 new things a day with linux and thats obviously going to be the next one
[13:35] <drunkpunk> never use IRC until last week
[13:39] <drunkpunk> right, i've thumbed both those links "up" on stumbleupon for some crafty creativity later on and i'll introduce myself on the mailing lists when i get home from college shortly too.  nice to meet you both


[22:04] <b1ggl3s> Luna__ you can enable wifi hotspot via GNOME Settings -> Wi-Fi, press the hamburger menu, then "Turn On Wi-Fi Hotspot"
[22:05] <b1ggl3s> If you want to do it from your phone, that will depend on OEM, iOS/Android, and version of the OS


[02:12] <RavenII> How do I install the latest Myth (.28) to ubuntu? It only seems to install .27
[16:43] <skd5aner> Hello!  I've got mythbuntu 14.04.4 LTS installed on one of my frontends.  I was curious, is there a way to do an upgrade to mythbuntu 16.04 via the CLI, using something like do-release-upgrade?
[16:44] <skd5aner> when I try to run it, it says no upgrade available.  /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades is set to prompt=lts
[16:48] <tgm4883> skd5aner: LTS releases don't get upgrade prompts until the first point release
[16:48] <tgm4883> around July
[16:52] <skd5aner> ahhhhh, ok... makes sense...
[16:52] <skd5aner> so, I guess is there anyway in the meantime to upgrade mythtv to 0.28 on the frontend, because I've already upgraded my backend to 0.28
[16:53] <skd5aner> (backend is non-mythbuntu, just standard ubuntu and compiled mythtv source)
[16:54] <tgm4883> skd5aner: do you not use the recommended PPAs?
[16:55] <skd5aner> tgm4883: forgive me, I forgot about the ppas.  I've been so hands off with this for years with the exception of the occasional update :)
[16:55] <skd5aner> so, just add this: https://launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/+archive/ubuntu/0.28 ?
[16:56] <skd5aner> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mythbuntu/0.28
[16:57] <tgm4883> yea
[16:58] <skd5aner> tgm4883: thank you!


[05:04] <Shadow__X> whats the current build for mythtv in the repo?
[05:10] <Shadow__X> this is the version i am on http://pastebin.com/LGqZj671
[05:10] <Shadow__X> v0.26.0-149-g5f45c0b
[05:20] <Shadow__X> nvm i figured it out i disabled the update repo manually. After i enabled it again and ran apt-get update and then upgrade everything is working as expected
[19:55] <dkeith> nting


[14:55] <CarlFK> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/main/installer-amd64/current/images/SHA256SUMS  has ...eb23b2  ./hd-media/boot.img.gz
[14:56] <CarlFK> but then I do zcat boot.img.gz|sudo dcfldd of=/dev/$dev  and would like to verify the files.
[14:57] <CarlFK> I can unz and mount and calc.. but it would be nice if the scripts that created the image from files would calc those files for me
[15:42] <cyphermox> I don't understand, if you have already verified that boot.img.gz is correct, then the files contained in it will be correct.
[15:46] <CarlFK> it is the "dd to usb stick" step that I am worried didn't go well
[15:51] <cyphermox> I suppose you could sha1sum the device and image.
[15:51] <CarlFK> device is 8gig, image is 4
[15:55] <CarlFK> and if you have some idea how I can verify the ... boot sector?   currently box A boots and runs the installer, box B ... reboots.
[15:56] <CarlFK> so 'now' I am less interested in file hashes, but this isn't the first time I have wanted it
[20:34] <CarlFK> do answers on the kernel append override what is found in the preseed.cfg file?  like if the file has partman-auto/disk="/dev/sda"  can I override that with APPEND file=preseed.cfg partman-auto/disk="/dev/nvme0n1"
[20:34] <CarlFK> er, better wording: do answers passed to the kernel...


[06:20] <OvenWerks> forestpiskie: with regard to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Utopic/Pkexec , where can I find more info on how the policy files are packaged/installed? Are they a part of the application package? or the xubuntu settings? I need to do something similar for Studio I would guess. Does it come with *.desktop files?
[20:59] <zequence> OvenWerks: Check out /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/
[20:59] <zequence> ..on how to make pkexec work with an application
[21:00] <OvenWerks> zequence: Ya I have used that. I was talking about how xubuntu had set up the changes for their use. If they are included in the app package or in the settings package
[21:01] <OvenWerks> It would be nice to have a menu item in system for a root terminal or file manager. Which are two xubuntu is already setting up.
[21:01] <OvenWerks> I would just like to take their work and use it (for compatability if nothing else)
[21:02] <zequence> OvenWerks: Yes, I agree. We need to set up our settings so that desktop settings are replicated from them - and so, we should separate our audio settings into a different package as has been discussed
[21:02] <OvenWerks> I would like one for gedit as well, but xubuntu uses mousepad
[21:04] <OvenWerks> The conversation actually started in xubuntu-devel and I moved my part here when it got to be more STudio specific
[21:05] <zequence> I got endorsed on my developer application during myt absence. Hoping I could get upload rights soon
[21:05] <OvenWerks> Very good!
[21:06] <zequence> OvenWerks: Did you have a look at -controls, btw?
[21:08] <zequence> cjwatson is handling libav stuff. I think our ISO should build, if our meta is just updated. Not sure
[21:08] <zequence> He removed some libav packages from our seeds a week ago, or so
[21:13] <OvenWerks> zequence: Our meta is fixed, but libav is still in proposed
[21:14] <OvenWerks> So the package our meta points to does not "exist" yet
[21:14] <OvenWerks> I think we are also waiting on all the packages that depends on libav to have the depends fixed.
[21:18] <OvenWerks> -controls is not in the PPA, does it run direct from the package directory? I am guessing it might being in python.
[21:20] <zequence> OvenWerks: It's not packaged yet. Get lp:ubuntustudio-controls. The executable is src/ubuntustudio-controls
[21:21] <zequence> you need to run it from that dir, in order to load the glade file
[21:21] <OvenWerks> I may have to wait... I get 503 when trying to browse the code even.
[21:22] <OvenWerks> There i go back again.
[21:31] <OvenWerks> had to install bzr on this machine...
[21:33] <OvenWerks> zequence: you are using a newer version of gtk+ than trusty has in it. -controls requires gtk+ 3.12 and trusty has 3.10
[21:33] <zequence> OvenWerks: Ah, that's because of the glade file. Easy fix
[21:34] <zequence> Just need to use the trusty version of Glade to create a new Glade file
[21:34] <zequence> (or edit the file, haven't done that manually at all)
[21:35] <zequence> OvenWerks: Try changing, in src/ubuntustudio.glade, the line " <requires lib="gtk+" version="3.12"/>""
[21:35] <zequence> make it say 3.10 and see what happens
[21:35] <OvenWerks> I did... not work.
[21:35] <zequence> ok
[21:36] <zequence> Well, I'll redo it in trusty later, then
[21:36] <OvenWerks> But it is not the gui.
[21:36] <OvenWerks> FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/share/ubuntustudio-controls/audio.conf'
[21:36] <zequence> OvenWerks: Ah, just need to move that file to there
[21:37] <OvenWerks> It appears I need to partly install.
[21:37] <zequence> ..or, copy, rather
[21:38] <OvenWerks> Ah, have gui.
[21:39] <OvenWerks> I take it anything already checked means the setup is ok?
[21:40] <zequence> Yeah, it checks, but you can't make changes yet
[21:41] <OvenWerks> zequence: I have that the user is in audio and realtime audio. I assume realtime audio means the audio.conf is named correctly and in the right directory?
[21:42] <OvenWerks> Do we check for lowlatency kernel? I guess at this point it is meant for Studio which should already have that.
[21:42] <zequence> The check is not complete yet, but it does make sure the supplied audio.conf doesn't diff with an existing one
[21:42] <zequence> No, since this is only for the SRU, we only administer realtime for the time being
[21:43] <OvenWerks> I think once it can set the two things set up it is enough for those who install Studio metas in a different DE
[21:43] <zequence> Won't be very flexible, but it'll work
[21:43] <zequence> Yeah
[21:44] <OvenWerks> That seems to be the most often asked stuff on the irc channel.
[21:45] <OvenWerks> Hmm I can't exit :)   X works though.
[21:46] <zequence> The quit button in the top right corner should worki
[21:46] <OvenWerks> Yup X works.


[06:57] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:54] <ObrienDave> *waves*
[07:59] <lordievader> How are you doing ObrienDave?
[08:00] <ObrienDave> tired, got home 30 minutes ago
[08:00] <ObrienDave> and you?
[08:00] <lordievader> Meh, doing okay. Found out my bios is keeping my cpu from doing aes...
[08:01] <lordievader> Need to do some hacky things to enable it. Will look into that later...
[08:01] <ObrienDave> loverly
[08:04] <lordievader> Any more 'wonders' in #ubuntu?
[08:04] <ObrienDave> not looking LOL
[08:05] <lordievader> Hehe ;)
[08:05] <ObrienDave> too tired, too grumpy to deal whit that noise tonight :)
[08:05] <lordievader> Hihi :P
[08:09] <ObrienDave> why, OH WHY, do i get involved ;P
[08:10] <lordievader> You just couldn't stay away, could you.
[08:11] <ObrienDave> *SLAPS FINGERS* bad fingers ;P
[08:13] <ObrienDave> i almost jumped in there again. *BAD FINGERS* ;P
[08:17] <OerHeks> Lion hunter becomes hunted, Ubuntu helpers avoid helpchannel, happy International Tiger Day !
[08:18] <ObrienDave> \o/ ;p
[08:19] <OerHeks> it is me, OerHeks
[08:41] <ObrienDave> dang, killed myself rofl
[08:42] <OerHeks> " Ubuntu, with ads free solitaire! "
[08:43] <ObrienDave> \o/
[08:45] <lordievader> Whoo fixed my aes issue. Early loading of microcode \o/
[08:47] <OerHeks> On what cpu is that, lordievader ?
[08:47] <lordievader> OerHeks: http://ark.intel.com/products/52219/Intel-Core-i7-2630QM-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-2_90-GHz
[08:48] <lordievader> HP's bios is too old to enable AES-NI.
[08:49] <OerHeks> Ah ok :-)
[08:50] <ObrienDave> i'm going to bed *waves*
[08:52] <lordievader> It increased the aes perfomance in the cryptsetup benchmark ten fold :D
[08:53] <OerHeks> That i would not ignore too
[08:54] <OerHeks> maybe my HP with i3 can be tweaked too
[08:54] <OerHeks> hi cfhowlett
[08:54] <cfhowlett> OerHeks, greetings sir
[08:54] <cfhowlett> I guess
[08:57] <lordievader> OerHeks: Do you use luks?
[08:57] <OerHeks> lordievader, no.
[08:58] <lordievader> That was for me the main reason. I never checked out the performance of the different ciphers until today. A friend of mine pointed out yesterday that it really matters.
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> good morning fellas
[09:27] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> hello mate
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> all ok lordievader ?
[09:27] <lordievader> lotuspsychje: Doing good here. My ssd should be coming in today, any tips?
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: wich brand?
[09:28] <lordievader> Samsung.
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: wich version
[09:28] <lordievader> Evo 850
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: nice, that one doesnt need firmware upgrading
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: changing bios iDE to ahci, and doing all the ubuntu ssd tweaks
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: fstab,swappiness
[09:30] <lordievader> Already running ahci, and I am running Gentoo remember ;)
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> yeah :p
[09:30] <lordievader> What are the 'Ubuntu ssd tweaks'?
[09:31] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: http://tinyurl.com/ctk2vbu
[09:31] <lotuspsychje> im having relatime in fstab, works best for desktop use
[09:31] <lotuspsychje> also the tmp fstab lines add
[09:32] <lordievader> What 'tmp fstab lines'?
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> http://askubuntu.com/questions/78971/best-etc-fstab-setings-for-boosting-ssd-hdd
[09:34] <lordievader> Heh, already doing that too ;)
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> well for the rest, your samsung hardware will do it all for you :p
[09:35] <lotuspsychje> !info preload
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> works also nice ssd
[09:37] <lordievader> Already running that, also running/using prelink.
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> !info prelink
[09:39] <lotuspsychje> can that be combined with preload harmless?
[09:39] <lordievader> lotuspsychje: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Prelink
[09:40] <lotuspsychje> cool, you will rocknroll after ssd install :p
[09:40] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: dont forget to feedback :p
[09:41] <lordievader> I'm still wondering how I'm going to do my dual luks container unlock...
[09:42] <lordievader> I hope lvm lets me mount things with a partial vg.
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> dont have experience with lvm
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> http://www.wikiguga.com/topic/4509bd3598dd5b78880a7b422c420922
[09:45] <lordievader> Yeah, I was thinking about storing a key file on the ssd.
[09:45] <lordievader> However if lvm doesn't allow mounting when the vg is partial (I do think it allow it though) this plan is blown.
[09:49] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: you could ask this in #ubuntu if that would work
[09:49] <lordievader> Meh, I'll figure things out.
[09:50] <lordievader> Probably won't be too difficult ;)
[09:50] <lotuspsychje> :p
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: did you receive it yet?
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> afternoon to all
[14:52] <OerHeks> o/
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> hi OerHeks :p
[14:52] <lordievader> lotuspsychje: Jup it is rather fast.
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> yayyyy
[14:52] <daftykins> what's that?
[14:52]  * daftykins is playing with Windows 10 today
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: he ordered his samsung evo 850
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: how fast is boot, with wich Os?
[14:53] <daftykins> ah har
[14:53] <lordievader> Also added ram. And will add more when I dissasemble it.
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> lol
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> its gonna be a beast
[14:54] <lordievader> lotuspsychje: ~20 seconds, but that is maily since I need to type my password twice.
[14:54] <lordievader> Need to figure out how I can delay the second unlock till / is mounted.
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: not sure on lvm :p find your way thru the tunnel :p
[15:05] <TJ-> the 850 is pretty good
[15:05] <lordievader> Meh, I'll mess with it later. Need to get things done.
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> TJ- might be able to help
[15:05] <TJ-> I've got one here
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> thats out hardware spec
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> *our
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: you got the evo or the pro
[15:07] <TJ-> I've been developing a script to install to it fully encrypted, with detached LUKS header on an external device, also encrypted
[15:07] <TJ-> 850 EVO
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> nice
[15:09] <TJ-> it's the 500GB model, replacing a 750GB 7,200rpm SHD (flash/hard drive combo)
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> heavy
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> wich Os
[15:10] <TJ-> 14.04
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> and your boot time?
[15:10] <TJ-> No idea, I never boot it
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:11] <TJ-> anyone who is concerned about boot times isn't using the PC for anything serious. I'm interested in random I/O read/write latencies
[15:12] <lotuspsychje> time is money and slow boot times arent pleasant
[15:13] <OerHeks> oer@OerNest:~$ sudo hdparm -Tt /dev/sda
[15:13] <OerHeks> [sudo] password for oer:
[15:13] <OerHeks>  Timing cached reads:   9010 MB in  2.00 seconds = 4506.69 MB/sec
[15:13] <OerHeks>  Timing buffered disk reads: 558 MB in  3.00 seconds = 185.87 MB/sec
[15:13] <TJ-> Why boot? I suspend/resume, but even 1 minute isn't going to affect anything. It's like those drivers that race about on short journeys waste loads of fuel and arrive maybe 4 seconds earlier
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> lotuspsychje@R00TB0X:~$ sudo hdparm -Tt /dev/sda
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> [sudo] password for lotuspsychje:
[15:13] <lotuspsychje>  Timing cached reads:   1284 MB in  2.00 seconds = 641.17 MB/sec
[15:13] <lotuspsychje>  Timing buffered disk reads: 442 MB in  3.02 seconds = 146.24 MB/sec
[15:14] <lordievader> I run Windows a vm so I don't have to reboot ;)
[15:16] <TJ-> Is it my week to get the deliberately annoying issues?
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:17] <daftykins> TJ-: yep, short straw i'm afraid
[15:17] <daftykins> we all drew this morning ;)
[15:18]  * TJ- rolls eyes and swears so much the dogs run and hide
[15:19] <TJ-> this eein - I'm not convinced the target is even an Ubuntu server... I suspect Debian but I can't trust to get the results I ask for from the bad server
[15:21] <daftykins> ask for an output of lsb_release
[15:22] <daftykins> if they can't provide one, or it shows it's debian, refuse to help :)
[15:22] <TJ-> I've got a pure mini pci-e flash drive as well, with its own on-board sata 3 controller... that's fast, sizes up to 128GB. I've also found it hangs the XPS laptops and one server when connected at boot-time, but is fine when hot-plugged. Seems to be a problem with it's Option ROM not behaving correctly with the system BIOSes
[15:23] <TJ-> daftykins: I would, but I've asked for output twice and its been from a 'good' server both times despite everything!
[15:23] <daftykins> o0
[15:23] <lordievader> TJ-: Ask for uname -a output?
[15:24] <TJ-> I was planning on equipping all the laptops with the mini-pcie + spinning disks but got to work out the OROM problems with the manufacturer's engineers first
[15:25] <TJ-> lordievader: I gave up because eein was giving me results from the good server even though I specifically asked for them from the bad server! I'm sure some people's brains just do not compute
[15:26] <lordievader> I came to that same conclusion a couple of days ago in #ubuntu. Might be the reason I am no longer in there.
[15:26] <lordievader> :P
[15:26] <daftykins> TJ-: those sound a bit niche to me, is it standard PCI express 1x slots they're using, or?
[15:26] <daftykins> oh sorry you did say mini-PCIE
[15:26] <daftykins> M.2 is great
[15:26] <daftykins> i've done a build where there's a 2x or 4x M.2 slot directly on the motherboard below the CPU socket, super fast boot
[15:27] <daftykins> power button, first thing you see is the windows 7 boot logo which doesn't even get a chance to complete - then bam, desktop
[15:29] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: someone screams for help.. :p
[15:29] <TJ-> yeah. Well I fixed on XPS M1530s ages ago - all our laptops are identical, with the 1920x1200 LCD, 8GB RAM, T7200 core2duo, Bluetooth, Cellular 4G, dual-band MIMO Wifi... the XPSs have the ExpressCard  plus 3 full mini-PCIe slots (not cut-downs with only USB or mSATA on) so they're highly flexible and expandable.
[15:32] <TJ-> like on my main PC I use the ExpressCard to connect an external ViDock PCIe expander, which has the Nvidia NVS420 dual GPU driving 4 additional monitors
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> what you guys think of this:
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/entroware-now-sells-the-ubuntu-powered-proteus-with-a-new-card-487975.shtml
[15:35] <daftykins> weird spec
[15:35] <daftykins> pairing a low end i3 with a 2GB nvidia GTX 960M
[15:35] <daftykins> oh i7 options too
[15:36] <lotuspsychje> yeah and samsung 850 in configurator
[15:36] <lotuspsychje> intel wifi
[15:37] <lotuspsychje> i wanna make the hd unchoosable in my store
[15:37] <lotuspsychje> only 850 pro inside
[15:38] <lordievader> lotuspsychje: Why? Not everyone is looking for top performance, some just want something cheap.
[15:38] <lotuspsychje> then choose a lower 850 pro 120gig
[15:38] <lotuspsychje> i dont wanna go lower then 850 pro
[15:38] <daftykins> 850 EVO for cheap, Pro for top? :)
[15:39] <lotuspsychje> brb dinner
[15:39] <daftykins> what are we having? :)
[15:42] <TJ-> chips!
[15:45] <daftykins> 8D
[15:53] <lotuspsychje> lol this is lotus' wife
[15:53] <lotuspsychje> are you laughing with my spaghetti
[16:00] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: hi! what are we having with spaghetti? :)
[16:01] <OerHeks> nom nom spagetti
[16:01] <TJ-> Cloudy with a chance of Meatballs :)
[16:01] <lotuspsychje> secret ingredients and herbs, garlic :))
[16:02] <cfhowlett> and wine.  lots of wine.
[16:02] <lotuspsychje> yammie lol
[16:02] <OerHeks> please do not install more than 512 apps in windows 10
[16:03] <lotuspsychje> the hole channel is hungryy
[16:05] <TJ-> what the heck! the Drone just accused me of flooding!
[16:05] <TJ-> Any ops can remove the -q on me?   Worse and stranger, no REAL garlic bread.  It's all sweet buttered but no garlic seasoning
[16:29] <cfhowlett> lotuspsychje, ah, you gotta a keeper, there, m8.
[16:30] <lotuspsychje> :p:p
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: and im always jaleous when i enter chinese restaurant and seeing the famillies eating dinner bowl soup with noodles with all kinds of ingredients in it, and i cant order that on the menu
[16:32] <cfhowlett> "jayga" "nayga"   = this that
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> mmmm lemme google picture that
[16:32] <cfhowlett> point and shoot.  works for me  :
[16:32] <cfhowlett> :)
[16:32] <cfhowlett> tis your Chinese lesson for the day.
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> hmm no photo's
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: wich one is it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_soups
[16:38] <cfhowlett> lotuspsychje, jaga = "that one"  naga = "this one".  If you don't speak Chinese, which I don't, this is how you can order.
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> ah
[17:03] <daftykins> :D
[19:00] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: greetings mate
[19:13] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: \o  'Tis a good day in our neighborhood .
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> sun shining?
[19:17] <Bashing-om> ^ and then some - heat index of 108 degress F ! I am going to hog the AC .
[19:17] <lotuspsychje> wow
[19:17] <lotuspsychje> 2015 is a really hot year for the world
[19:23] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Global Warming and climate change -> Wars for subsistence are comming .
[19:25] <lotuspsychje_> Bashing-om: alot of poor nations flewing to all sides of the world already
[19:26] <OerHeks> lotuspsychje_, we are the poor, in the west
[19:26] <lotuspsychje_> lol
[19:27] <lotuspsychje_> OerHeks: ok lets immigrate to africa and play ubuntu circle :p
[19:27] <OerHeks> why afrika?
[19:27] <lotuspsychje_> thats where ubuntu started?
[19:28] <lotuspsychje_> and if were poor, they might be rich?
[19:28] <OerHeks> lets immigrate to Cuba
[19:28] <lotuspsychje_> salsa and cigares mmm
[20:26] <EriC^^> wb daftykins
[20:28] <daftykins> o/
[20:28] <daftykins> thanks! home tubes went down it seems
[20:28] <EriC^^> how's it going?
[20:28] <daftykins> good ta, just upgraded my desktop from win7 to 10
[20:28] <EriC^^> cool
[20:28] <EriC^^> how do you like it?
[20:28] <daftykins> been using the preview since Decemberish, definitely really nice :) lighter even than 7
[20:28] <daftykins> just the usual learning curve of course
[20:29] <EriC^^> cool
[20:30] <Bashing-om> Wife just upgraded her graphics work station to Win 10. She is impressed with 10.
[20:30] <EriC^^> is it free to upgrade if you have win8?
[20:32] <EriC^^> nice
[20:33] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Yes, in her case, was a free offer .
[20:33] <EriC^^> nice, it looks very sleek
[20:34] <EriC^^> http://www.windowscentral.com/official-windows-10-iso-files-now-available-download
[20:34] <daftykins> both 7 and 8 yep
[20:35] <daftykins> unfortunately booting straight off the ISO doesn't work, you have to do an upgrade first :(
[20:35] <daftykins> which amusingly has left my copy not activated right now, figure i'll give MS support lines a break before i ring up again ;)
[20:35] <daftykins> got cut off earlier, i'm sure they're absolutely swamped with users
[20:36] <EriC^^> yeah
[20:37] <EriC^^> well that's awesome
[20:37] <Bashing-om> I watched her do the upgrade this AM, it was and is sleek. MS do something right ? , was slick and a very friendly composition .
[20:39] <daftykins> :D
[20:39] <daftykins> i'm still gonna do a clean one i think
[20:39] <daftykins> nothing like a properly clean install as a good foundation to start!
[20:39] <EriC^^> yeah
[20:40] <Bashing-om> ^ 100 %
[20:43] <daftykins> not hugely clear on how it works right now, couldn't feed it by 7 key, so perhaps once the upgrade is activated it'll *know* my system online and just work o0
[20:43] <daftykins> s/by/my
[20:43] <daftykins> lol cat at the window miaowing as if to be let in
[20:43] <daftykins> best go remind her she has a flap


[14:24] <mvo> bdmurray: could you please reject my snapd upload from yesterday? I will need to do another one to fix an lxd issue that was found earlier today
[14:25] <mvo> bdmurray: so there is a new one coming any minute :)
[14:28] <bdmurray> mvo: Okay, I'm rejecting snapd for Impish
[14:29] <bdmurray> mvo: also fwiw bug 1942646 wasn't in Launchpad-Bugs-Fixed
[14:31] <mvo> bdmurray: yeah, this is actually 2.53~pre1 that you already get :)
[17:34] <bdmurray> tumbleweed: that's so far away! but looks good to me thanks!
[19:43] <bryceh> bdmurray, could you take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fetchmail/+bug/1945014 ?  The new fetchmail is all bugfixes so I'd like to sync it, but one security fix makes me wonder if this needs a FFe?  WDYT?
[20:10] <bdmurray> bryceh: I don't think an FFe is needed.
[20:10] <bryceh> bdmurray, thanks


[07:06] <dholbach> good morning
[07:21] <el_seano> indeed, good night
[17:35] <czajkowski> Aloha
[21:41] <h00k> So, we had events scheduled for our LoCo that appear to have gone missing
[21:43] <h00k> apologies, meetings http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-us-wisconsin/meetings
[21:43] <h00k> are missing, were there any prunings done?
[21:46] <h00k> Also, our past meetings are gone as well :(
[21:46] <h00k> We just had one this past Wednesday
[21:54] <mhall119> h00k: let me check on it, one minute
[21:55] <h00k> mhall119: I'm filing a bug as well
[21:55] <h00k> mhall119: bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/826990
[21:55] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 826990 in loco-directory "Team meetings and history deleted (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[21:55] <mhall119> h00k: I see a bunch of events, but not meetings...
[21:55] <h00k> mhall119: yeah, our events are still scheduled, but the meetings appear forlorn
[21:56] <h00k> one last wednesday, one this wednesday
[21:57] <mhall119> h00k: did someone on your team perhaps delete them?
[21:57] <h00k> mhall119: not that I'm aware of, no.
[21:57] <h00k> mhall119: it'd be myself creating them Cheesehead adding notes, etc
[21:57] <h00k> Can you delete past meetings?
[21:58] <mhall119> I think so...
[21:59] <h00k> huh...
[21:59] <h00k> can that be seen (who did that?)
[22:01] <mhall119> unfortunately no
[22:03] <h00k> bah.
[22:03] <h00k> that's not cool.
[22:04] <h00k> I don't believe anyone on our team would have done that, Cheesehead adds notes and is proficient enough to know not to delete it
[22:06] <h00k> mhall119: who has permissions to delete events?
[22:06] <h00k> mhall119: *anyone* ?
[22:06] <mhall119> h00k: anyone on your team
[22:07] <mhall119> h00k: we've had to change servers a couple times in the past week, it's possible something got lost moving the database around, I'll check with IS
[22:08] <mhall119> h00k: about how many meetings do you think were lost?
[22:09] <mhall119> and going back how long ago?
[22:09] <h00k> mhall119: that would be great, we had some good notes regarding our Global Jam planning.  We still have notes in our team reports, but it's duplicated efforts to restore it
[22:09] <h00k> mhall119: only two of them
[22:10] <h00k> mhall119: one this past Wednesday, and one upcoming
[22:10] <h00k> mhall119: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-us-wisconsin/164/detail/ was the URL of the one in the past
[22:10] <h00k> mhall119: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-us-wisconsin/172/detail/ is the one in the future
[22:11] <h00k> mhall119: and they were lost...probaly within the last 24 hours
[22:11] <h00k> s/lost/deleted/ or s/lost/forlorn/
[22:11] <h00k> whatever happened to them.
[22:48] <mhall119> h00k: is your channel logged?  the irc logs should still be around
[22:50] <mhall119> h00k: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/08/10/%23ubuntu-us-wi.html
[22:51] <mhall119> aw man, and you even said nice things about LD tracking meetings, and then we went and lost yours :(
[22:52] <mhall119> cjohnston: can you read the scroll buffer here and see if you can think of anything that would cause their meetings to be lost?
[22:54] <mhall119> cjohnston: h00k: looks like we're missing all meetings with id 164-176
[22:54] <mhall119> I bet this happened when they were moving the site between servers
[22:56] <mhall119> this doesn't make me happy :(


[00:38] <Unit193> bluesabre: Also, #ubuntu-devel is interesting right now.
[11:43] <bluesabre> good morning folks
[11:44] <Unit193> Howdy.
[11:46] <bluesabre> hey Unit193
[11:48] <Unit193> bluesabre: Think you might have a bit 'o time today?
[11:49] <bluesabre> I do this morning (right now)
[11:49] <bluesabre> any priority items?
[11:50] <Unit193> Got the a-ok for pkg-xfce, so just have to svn them.
[11:51] <Unit193> (The new xfpm and -session uploads aren't important to us.)
[11:52] <bluesabre> yeah, I'll pick those uploads up at a later date
[11:52] <bluesabre> so now we can figure out pkg-xfce new projects
[11:54] <Unit193> See conversation, there's an older readme/etc in the repo, and you can likely ask.
[11:56] <bluesabre> cool
[11:56] <bluesabre> I'm on it
[11:56] <Unit193> He's active now if you want to ask.
[11:57] <bluesabre> indeed
[12:02] <bluesabre> want to repaste the links to those?
[12:03] <Unit193> https://wiki.smdavis.us/doku.php?id=development:packages ?
[12:03] <bluesabre> oh right
[12:03] <bluesabre> brain
[12:04] <Unit193> Can't think if there's anything else right now...
[12:04] <bluesabre> looks like it should simply be a matter of
[12:05] <bluesabre> svn-inject -o <package.dsc><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:05] <Unit193> Just change the maintainer and uploaders.
[12:06] <bluesabre> yup
[12:06] <Unit193> Target UNRELEASED and fix version too. :P
[12:07] <bluesabre> i know i know
[12:07] <bluesabre> :P
[12:07] <Unit193> :D
[12:08] <bluesabre> btw, not sure what the issue is
[12:08] <bluesabre> but so many apps have a strange statusbar void in gtk 3.16
[12:09] <Unit193> Issue is GTK3...
[12:09] <bluesabre> yeah
[12:09] <bluesabre> http://i.imgur.com/OiWIW10.png
[12:09]  * bluesabre shrugs
[12:14] <Unit193> That's lovely...
[12:29] <bluesabre> doing some sanity builds, then will inject
[12:29] <Unit193> \o/
[12:29] <Unit193> I was pretty sure it was svn-inject.  :D
[13:02] <bluesabre> well, it has the opposite layout compared to the others, so not sure what the correct command should have been
[13:02] <bluesabre> :\
[13:07] <bluesabre> Unit193: try now?
[13:09] <Unit193> There now.
[13:10] <Unit193> Dowh, figured you'd grab the others too.
[13:10] <bluesabre> hm?
[13:11] <bluesabre> I cloned, adjusted, svn-injected
[13:13] <bluesabre> should I do something differently with xfdashboard? :)
[13:15] <Unit193> Update Vcs-* and rm gbp.conf first?
[13:27] <bluesabre> didn't know what gbp.conf was
[13:27] <bluesabre> glad you fixed it though :D
[13:28] <Unit193> git-buildpackage config.
[13:29] <bluesabre> aha
[13:29] <bluesabre> :D
[13:37] <bluesabre> alrighty then
[13:37] <bluesabre> xfdashboard is up
[13:37] <Unit193> \o/
[13:38] <bluesabre> I've made enough noise for now, can you do any tweaks necessary to get it up and running?
[13:39] <Unit193> bluesabre-guest r9147 scripts goodies-sources.txt * Add xfdashboard to goodies-sources  interesting.
[13:39] <Unit193> Don't think I see anything to add. :)
[13:40] <bluesabre> cool
[13:40] <bluesabre> was going by
[13:40] <bluesabre> www/doc/Goodies-Packaging-HOWTO
[13:45] <bluesabre> woot, escaped in the nick of time
[13:45] <bluesabre> bbl
[16:42] <Unit193> bluesabre: I don't suppose you read, but the seeds may soon be able to be stored in git.
[18:43] <Unit193> https://mail.xfce.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2013-November/030544.html wonder if that's still the view seen as valid, or if root pixmap will go upstream.
[20:29] <knome> pleia2, it occured to me that we should also update http://xubuntu.org/donations/ with hellotux stuff
[21:01] <Unit193> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-May/010740.html
[21:01] <knome> yay.
[21:02] <Unit193> nay.
[21:03] <knome> ooh :P
[21:03] <knome> why no 20UTC?
[21:04] <Unit193> UTC is implied? ;)
[21:04] <knome> welll
[21:04] <knome> isn't :00
[21:04] <Unit193> Fine, next time I schedule for 20:13!
[21:04] <ObrienDave> and a half ;P
[21:05] <knome> Unit193, not 20:15?
[21:05] <knome> :P
[21:05] <Unit193> Nope.
[21:10] <Unit193> gcal updated, I hope.
[21:10] <knome> looks like it


[00:25] <jedahan> thanks markdude, marked down on the todo list
[00:26] <jedahan> im a little worried my airbnb host has not gotten back to me yet
[00:26] <jedahan> first few nights might have to hotel it
[00:26] <jedahan> no biggie though - i only have one bad
[00:26] <jedahan> *bag
[00:29] <nUboon2Age> I'm going to reschedule the Ubuntu Hour: Palo Alto to next Friday (at 7pm Tandoori Oven, Palo Alto).
[00:30] <akk> I hadn't even heard there was one scheduled!
[00:31] <akk> mmm, tandori sounds good right now
[00:43] <pleia2> nUboon2Age: I think 1/04/2011 should be 2/04/2011 :)
[00:48] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours edited
[00:56] <nUboon2Age> pleia2: yes, thank you!
[01:04] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours edited
[04:48] <jedahan> flying in tomorrow, hope to see ya pleia2 and MarkDude
[05:56] <seidos> hey all
[05:57] <seidos> looks like my hard drive (hopefully file system) is fubar
[05:57] <seidos> i ran fsck from liveusb, did fsck /media/6f86b...<tab>
[05:58] <seidos> got the message "superblock could not be read..."
[06:16] <nhaines> seidos: sounds like the superblock went bad.
[06:17] <nhaines> seidos: have you tried photorec?
[06:54] <MarkDude> Yay for internets on the HWY17 bus
[16:19] <jdeslip> Happy friday everyone
[16:20] <jamie_> yes good moprning and happy friday
[16:21] <jamie_> ok still working on typing wasnt supposed to be a p there
[16:21] <jdeslip> lol
[16:22] <jdeslip> I'm really looking forward to the weekend
[16:22] <jdeslip> Going to play with the Honeycomb SDK :)
[16:24] <jamie_> not looking forward to mine so much my mother in laws house flooded a couple of days ago so i have to go help clean it out :(
[16:32] <rww> jamie_: re: your nickserv confusion: your client is set to log in as jamie, which is registered and enforced by nickserv. if the jamie with that account is online, your client uses jamie_ instead, since IRC nicks have to be unique, and everything is fine. if they're not, it uses jamie, and gets forcenicked to Guest12345 by nickserv after 30 (?) seconds.
[16:43] <jamie_> ok so there is more than one jamie?
[16:44] <rww> yes
[16:44] <rww> #ubuntu-us-ca's on a network with a /lot/ of people. most common firstnames are already taken
[16:45] <jamie_> so i should prolly change mine then huh?
[16:46] <rww> heh. looks like jamie_ is actually registered by someone else too, they just didn't turn on nickserv enforcement :\
[16:46] <jamie_> ok so how do i change my name so i can just sign in?
[16:51] <jamiedmattingly> ok hopefully this one isnt taken :)
[16:51] <jamiedmattingly> <------used to be just 'jamie'
[20:01] <seidos> i found a bug in the maverick installer, what package should i file the bug against?  linux?
[20:13] <rww> seidos: the live CD graphical installer, or the text-based alternate installer?
[20:13] <seidos> rww, graphical live cd installer
[20:13] <rww> seidos: file it against the ubiquity package
[20:14] <seidos> rww, ack
[22:23] <stburto> Has anyone installed Ubuntu server 9.04 under Parallels on a Mac?
[22:24] <jamiedmattingly> sorry never used a mac
[22:25] <stburto> This is my first in a long career and am finding it quite a productive environment.
[22:27] <akk> My husband runs ubuntu under virtualbox on mac ... he was unimpressed with Parallels compared to VB and VMware.
[22:28] <stburto> Thank you for that commet, I am going to install VMWare next and then try virtualbox.
[22:29] <stburto> I got the software installed but can't seem to be able to install Parallells Tools as I was able to do with the Windows VM.
[22:31] <stburto> I am learning quickly and am enjoying it a lot.
[22:44] <rww> FYI, Ubuntu 9.04 stopped receiving security updates in October.
[22:45] <akk> 9.04 does seem like an odd choice.
[22:49] <stburto> I tried 10.04 but I could not get it to install.
[22:50] <stburto> It went haywire with GRUB2.
[22:52] <akk> IIRC there's an option in 10.04 to use grub1.
[22:53] <akk> Or of course you can update jaunty to karmic, then karmic to lucid, if you get jaunty working once.
[22:58] <stburto> I will work that out. Right now it is important to me to have some functionality.
[22:59] <stburto> I appreciate your help!
[23:22] <nhaines> stburto: use the tool to install the Parallels tools, and then see if a CD shows up in Ubuntu.
[23:23] <nhaines> You might be able to run the installer from the CD by double-clicking, or you might need to open a terminal, change to the CD directory, and then run it on the commandline with "sudo" in front.
[23:24] <stburto> I don't seem to be getting the CD contents to show up in Ubuntu to do the install.
[23:25] <stburto> Also, when you say terminal, is that a Mac terminal of Ubuntu? I get confused.
[23:28] <stburto> I know that I am skating on thin ice, trying to do stuff that I have yet to gain enough skill to do this with out help.
[23:42] <kdub_> stburto: no one every got much stronger by lifting less weight than they should :P
[23:43] <kdub_> *ever
[23:44] <kdub_> all sorts of english failures there, hope the point wasnt lost :)
[23:44] <stburto> Not at all, I know what you mean.


[14:20] <akshay__> Hi what are the consequences of directly doing juju remove-application <app-name>, instead of removing all the relations first and then removing application?
[14:31] <evilnickveitch> akshay__, which version of Juju are you using?
[14:34] <akshay__> evilnickveitch: it is 1.6
[14:36] <evilnickveitch> akshay__, for 2.0+, there is no effective difference, the other side of the relation fires a relation-departed hook
[14:36] <evilnickveitch> but for earlier versions I don't think that happens, so the related application will switch to an error state
[14:37] <evilnickveitch> so, much better to remove the relations first, because you are going to have to clean up afterwards
[14:38] <evilnickveitch> ^otherwise
[18:50] <freyes> hi, is there a command to list permissions granted to a user?
[18:56] <jose-phillips> hi
[18:56] <jose-phillips> someone know how to upgrade openstack from newton to ocata?
[18:56] <jose-phillips> on a conjure-up juju installation?


[01:07] <bdmurray> bug 1101027 could use some verifying
[01:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1101027 in asunder (Ubuntu) "most people use 192 but asunder users can't" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1101027
[01:30] <antarus> ok so now I need the bash maintainer..
[01:31] <antarus> doko or steve eh
[01:32] <antarus> hrm these sponsorship instructions look old :/
[01:32] <TheLordOfTime> antarus, what're you trying to do, if I may ask?
[01:35] <antarus> https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/bash/+bug/778627
[01:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 778627 in bash (Ubuntu) "In natty, bash completion now quotes shell variable references rather than expanding them" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[01:35] <antarus> I uploaded a debdiff to fix that bug
[01:36] <antarus> I'm looking for a sponsor to upload it to proposed, and then nominate for SRU
[01:36] <TheLordOfTime> subscribe ubuntu-sponsors and the sru team, but first, can you tell me which versions are actually affected?
[01:36] <TheLordOfTime> i.e. precise, oneiric,...
[01:36] <TheLordOfTime> i can see in the bug it says quantal/raring unaffected
[01:37] <TheLordOfTime> ... oh that reminds me i need to ping the release team about an SRU... :p
[01:37] <antarus> the users on the bug reported the breakage first in natty
[01:37] <antarus> and it was still broken in P
[01:37] <TheLordOfTime> antarus, natty's EOL
[01:37] <antarus> so I assume N, O, P
[01:37] <TheLordOfTime> i was asking about what releases you have personally seen it in.
[01:37] <antarus> oh
[01:37] <TheLordOfTime> i.e.
[01:37] <antarus> I only run LTS
[01:37] <antarus> so just P
[01:37] <TheLordOfTime> did you confirm oneiric is affected?  and that precise is affected?
[01:38] <antarus> I can definately confirm Precise is affected
[01:38] <antarus> I have no O machines
[01:38] <TheLordOfTime> OK i'm going to nominate that bug for P, but i'd like to see whether O is also impacted because if so it'll need an SRU for O too
[01:38] <antarus> but I can download its bash and reproduce
[01:38] <TheLordOfTime> although in april we can ignore it :P
[01:38] <antarus> heh
[01:38] <TheLordOfTime> s/in/after/
[01:39] <antarus> Yeah we are quickly getting everyone off of lucid before it falls off of a cliff ;)
[01:39] <TheLordOfTime> s/lucid/oneiric/
[01:40] <TheLordOfTime> last i checked lucid is also an LTS
[01:40] <TheLordOfTime> and doesn't die yet
[01:40] <antarus> it dies soon ;)
[01:40] <TheLordOfTime> desktop dies, but not server :P
[01:40] <TheLordOfTime> desktop is in april, server's 2015
[01:40] <TheLordOfTime> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[01:40] <TheLordOfTime> :)
[01:40] <antarus> I only care about desktop ;)
[01:40] <TheLordOfTime> ANYWAYS
[01:41] <TheLordOfTime> i've nominated the bug for Precise, but i've also commented saying i'd like to see if its seen in Oneiric too
[01:41] <antarus> yes, let me check O's bash
[01:42] <TheLordOfTime> antarus, i'll be kind and help you out in subscribing sponsors and the SRU team, but in future, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure is useful.  :)
[01:43] <epikvision> Hey TheLordOfTime!
[01:43] <TheLordOfTime> but first, i have to kill this windows server that's being stupid
[01:44]  * TheLordOfTime waves to epikvision
[01:44] <epikvision> seems we're getting a lot done so far.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20130117
[01:44] <TheLordOfTime> bleh i've only been around for about 30 minutes
[01:44] <TheLordOfTime> given i had other obligations today :P
[01:44] <antarus> TheLordOfTime: Yeah I'm still trying to get the hang of this process ;)
[01:44] <antarus> I appreciate the help
[01:44] <TheLordOfTime> antarus, no problem :)
[01:44] <antarus> I have about a dozen more of these to do ;)
[01:45] <TheLordOfTime> i'll subscribe sponsors and SRU for you, fi you want send me the other bugs as well with details of releases affected
[01:45] <antarus> most of them will require more work on my part yet
[01:46]  * antarus doesn't have the backports done
[01:46] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[01:46] <antarus> or patches, or debdiffs, or whathaveyou
[01:46] <TheLordOfTime> antarus, i subscribed sponsors and sru to that bug
[01:46] <antarus> thanks
[01:46] <TheLordOfTime> (but also, the link i gave you explainsi which iteams you subscribe)
[01:46] <TheLordOfTime> EVIL KEY!  *points to the random 'i' charactersi showing iup.*
[01:48] <TheLordOfTime> hiya jbicha!
[01:50] <antarus> I guess bug 1099987 is easy, but I think it is also broken in debian.
[01:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1099987 in bash (Ubuntu) "/etc/skel/.profile does not detect bash properly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1099987
[01:50] <antarus> it looks like doko maintains bash in both though?
[01:52] <TheLordOfTime> is the bug filed in Debian yet?
[01:52] <antarus> no, I will do that
[01:52] <TheLordOfTime> i meant, did you see if someone else filed the bug in debian yet.
[01:52] <TheLordOfTime> actually, strike that, i'll just go check
[01:52]  * TheLordOfTime pulls up bugs.d.o
[01:52] <antarus> we searched
[01:52] <antarus> didn't find anything
[01:53] <TheLordOfTime> meh its alright, this gives me the chance to test my search script :P
[01:53] <antarus> its not strictly clear if it is bug
[01:53] <antarus> or just WAI
[01:53] <antarus> in which case I'll just patch it internally
[01:54] <antarus> The main problem is that lightdm-session runs in posix mode, but sources $HOME/.profile. $BASH_VERSION is *set* in posix mode, so posix-only bash ends up sourcing ~/.bashrc
[01:54] <antarus> and dies when ~/.bashrc contains bashisms
[01:55] <antarus> (and then lightdm restarts)
[01:55] <antarus> its awesome
[01:55] <antarus> (ly bad)
[01:55] <TheLordOfTime> okay, interesting question.  and i apologize, my specialization is in server packages, but wouldn't this then be a conflict between lightdm-session and bash?
[01:56] <TheLordOfTime> and not necessarily a bash bug?
[01:56] <antarus> Sorry, Conflict being like a package conflict?
[01:56] <antarus> Its not a bug in bash the shell; but the bash package ships /etc/skel/.profile
[01:56] <TheLordOfTime> ah okay, that's what i missed
[01:56]  * TheLordOfTime had a lag spike
[01:56] <antarus> and it is my believe that /etc/skel/.profile is busted in this way
[01:56] <antarus> but I could be convinced otherwise ;p
[01:57] <antarus> Its also not clear if /etc/skel/.profile is sourced by non-bourne shells
[01:57] <TheLordOfTime> as i said, my specialization is in server packages, so... ;P
[01:57] <TheLordOfTime> forgive semi-noobish questions such as the one i asked ;P
[01:57] <TheLordOfTime> ... aw crap, not again
[01:57]  * TheLordOfTime walks off to fix apt-mirror again
[01:57] <antarus> ahh good old apt
[01:58] <antarus> the only stupid question is teh question left unasked, etc...
[02:09] <TheLordOfTime> meh, apt mirror's a different piece of work :P
[02:09] <TheLordOfTime> its evilish :P
[02:11] <antarus> we use debmirror
[02:11] <antarus> its also crap
[02:11] <antarus> ;p
[02:11] <TheLordOfTime> well apt-mirror just failed  because of lag
[02:11] <TheLordOfTime> so...
[02:11]  * TheLordOfTime fixed that
[02:17] <antarus> although it comes ot mind that we might just do something stupid
[02:17] <antarus> isn't /bin/sh dash on Ubuntu?
[02:17] <TheLordOfTime> thought it was just 'sh'
[02:17]  * TheLordOfTime loads up a VM
[02:18] <TheLordOfTime> root@luna:/bin# ls -alshF sh
[02:18] <TheLordOfTime> 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Mar 29  2012 sh -> dash*
[02:18] <TheLordOfTime> i'm wrong :P
[02:18] <TheLordOfTime> it is dash
[02:18] <TheLordOfTime> (symlink?)
[02:19] <antarus> yeah
[02:19] <antarus> we symlink it to bash for some reason
[02:19] <TheLordOfTime> s/bash/dash/
[02:19] <TheLordOfTime> that's on Precise
[02:19] <antarus> right
[02:19] <antarus> we == work
[02:19]  * TheLordOfTime points at Luna, then at a 12.04 CD
[02:19] <antarus> at work we symlink it to bash
[02:19] <antarus> probably because it was the cool thing to do 7 years ago ;p
[02:20] <antarus> which would explain why only we are seeing these weird lightdm issues
[02:20] <antarus> I'll go in tomorrow and see if replacing bash with dash 'fixes' it
[02:20]  * antarus grumbles
[02:20] <TheLordOfTime> so... pebkac?  :P
[02:20] <antarus> meh
[02:21] <TheLordOfTime> hehe i kid.
[02:21] <epikvision> Hello, is anyone here participating in the hug day?
[02:21] <antarus> we call these bugs based on 'historical purposes'
[02:21] <TheLordOfTime> epikvision, its almost the end of the day, i could have sworn a bunch were already participating
[02:21] <antarus> because we didn't write down why we did X, but we have the commit that did it
[02:21] <TheLordOfTime> but i wasn't here, i was busy so...
[02:21] <antarus> so we spend hours trying to puzzle out why ;)
[02:22] <epikvision> well, I just returned from school, and I'm just about to start.  I'm having trouble though in using hugday-tools.  I branched it, but bash doesn't recognize "hugday" as a command.
[02:23] <TheLordOfTime> this is why i just triage normally :P
[02:23] <TheLordOfTime> epikvision, afaiui transmission's the focus
[02:23] <TheLordOfTime> there's quite a bit of segv bugs though, so...
[02:26] <epikvision> TheLordOfTime, I would do it normally, but I also want to try out the tools.  How can I install the tools with the setup.py file?
[02:26] <TheLordOfTime> epikvision, i don't use the tools, so i couldn't tell you :P
[02:28] <epikvision> Ok, I figured it was: python setup.py install
[02:28] <chilicuil> it seems the ubuntu bug day was a success, all bugs listed were touched =)
[02:28] <TheLordOfTime> there should be a readme, no epikvision? :P
[02:29] <epikvision> chilicuil, so bug day is finished? :-(
[02:29] <TheLordOfTime> i'm still here
[02:29] <TheLordOfTime> if you have something you want me to look at lemme kno0w
[02:29] <TheLordOfTime> otherwise, i'm going to be hacking away at php5's source code
[02:30] <epikvision> there is, but it didn't explain installation.
[02:30] <TheLordOfTime> is there an 'INSTALL' file? :P
[02:31] <chilicuil> epikvision: I'd say yes, but there are still a bunch of reports in other pkgs waiting for us, I'll do a little bit of triaging work now
[02:31] <TheLordOfTime> yepo
[02:31] <TheLordOfTime> yep *
[02:31] <epikvision> just a setup.py file, but at least I installed it.
[02:31] <TheLordOfTime> i'm highly specialized into server packages, but i'm here if needed, so ;P
[02:31]  * TheLordOfTime yawns
[02:32] <epikvision> chilicuil, yeah, I'm going to start triaging too.
[02:37] <epikvision> when triaging bugs, is it necessary to have the same desktop version?
[02:37] <epikvision> to confirm the bug?
[02:38] <TheLordOfTime> epikvision, do you mean same desktop environment?
[02:38] <epikvision> Because I'm going to do triaging on my 12.04.1 stable machine. Don't know if I have to be using development build...
[02:38] <epikvision> yes
[02:38] <TheLordOfTime> rather than destop "version"
[02:39] <TheLordOfTime> epikvision, if something is filed against precise, confirm using precise
[02:39] <TheLordOfTime> and check quantal / raring
[02:39] <TheLordOfTime> unless someone already said "Quantal / Raring / $release is not affected."
[02:58] <epikvision> anyone using hugday tools? I need some assistance.  How do I identify MOINID?
[03:12] <epikvision> It seems that most of the bugs for today have been triaged. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/transmission
[03:13] <TheLordOfTime> yup
[03:14] <epikvision> oh well, I will just get to other bugs then.
[06:10] <om26er> cool, we had 71 NEW bugs when we started now they are 3
[06:10]  * TheLordOfTime goes back to stabbing oidentd's packaging
[06:10] <TheLordOfTime> is it weird when it says that the debian tarball modifies upstream changes?
[06:11] <TheLordOfTime> s/changes/files/
[06:11] <TheLordOfTime> (where "debian tarball"  is the .debian.tar.gz)
[10:19] <Zilvador> Has the package ubuntu-qa-tools been taken out of universe?
[10:27] <jibel> Zilvador, yes, it has been removed in Natty IIRC but it is still maintained in LP https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-tools
[10:29] <Zilvador> jibel, apparently the lastest package is for Natty there too. Can it be installed in Quantal or is there a replacement?
[10:35] <jibel> Zilvador, which tools are you interested in? There is a package here https://launchpad.net/~utah/+archive/daily/+packages but it only contains vm-tools and dl-ubuntu-test-iso
[10:35] <jibel> otherwise most of the tools are runnable from the source tree
[10:36] <Zilvador> jibel, I was just thinking of the tools on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Tools
[10:37] <Zilvador> Or more generally to find out which tools there are.
[10:42] <jibel> oh, it's really old stuff, there is no package that I know. I don't even know if hugday in particular still works on latest releases
[10:42] <Zilvador> jibel, I see. Then I will just skip it. Maybe the wiki page should be removed then?
[10:46] <jibel> Zilvador, hugday from https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-tools works fine on raring, so it just needs a volunteer to give it some love and maintain a package :)
[10:47] <Zilvador> jibel, sounds good :). Can I update the wiki page with this information?
[10:49] <jibel> Zilvador, of course, it's a public wiki
[16:30] <iBelieve> I've been working on a bug for a long time and haven't been able to fix it, so I just unassigned myself from it. However, I can't set the status from "In progress" back to "Triaged". Is that what I'm supposed to do, or what am I supposed to do?
[16:43] <roadmr> iBelieve: if you're no longer actively working on it, Triaged sounds better
[16:43] <roadmr> iBelieve: if you like I can help set it to that, just give me the bug number
[16:44] <iBelieve> roadmr: Thank you, the bug is LP #657275.
[16:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 657275 in apport (Ubuntu) "ubuntu-bug should save reports offline automatically rather than giving a cryptic error message" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/657275
[16:47] <roadmr> iBelieve: done
[16:48] <iBelieve> roadmr: thanks!
[16:49] <JoseAntonioR> Hey, guys! I'd like to know if any of you is interested on doing a 'You can fix bitesize too!' session for the Ubuntu Developer Week on the 31st Jan, at 18:30 UTC.


[16:35] <juergh> fling, linux-oem-6.1? I think that's the only 6.1 kernel that is still around...
[17:08] <fling> juergh: what is the git tree / branch / tag for it?
[17:14] <jchittum> reading, isn't it < 6.5 if a commit is there?
[17:15] <jchittum> commit: 91562895f803 ("ext4: properly sync file size update after O_SYNC direct IO")
[17:15] <fling> thank you!
[17:32] <ghavil> I'm really struggling to figure out which linux-aws packages have or do not have the ext4 corrpution bug. As far as I can tell, the current 'linux-image-aws-lts-22.04' is okay, include about the main 'linux-aws' package. Curious if there's a great way to sort this out as an end user, I'm trying to use https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux-aws/+git/jammy currently.
[20:02] <fling> jchittum: 91562895f803 is 6.6, not 6.1
[20:03] <fling> which tree is for linux-oem-6.1?
[21:43] <jchittum> ghavil : i don't think any of the current linux-aws packages should be affected. None are version 6.1. it's not affecting 6.2 in Ubuntu, so 22.04 linux-aws will be fine. all the others are older and unaffected (22.04 lts and 20.04 HWE are at 5.15, 20.04 LTS and 18.04 HWE are at 5.4)
[21:43] <jchittum> nothing will have hit Ubuntu yet, as the commit was grabbed in Debian first. and now we know about it
[21:44] <ghavil> Ah okay yeah, I kinda figured as much since I couldn't find the commit in the ubuntu sources either
[21:45] <ghavil> I was originally worried as<EMAIL_ADDRESS>mentions 'linux-5.15' and I know the lts package is on 5.15 so I was worried it might have gotten grabbed. Happy to see it wasn't, that'll let me sleep easier tonight!
[21:59] <fling> but where can I find recent-ish 6.1 with shiftfs?
[22:04] <jeremy31> ghavil: that ext4 bug is fixed with iomap: update ki_pos a little later in iomap_dio_complete
[22:06] <jeremy31> https://lwn.net/Articles/954285/


[09:27] <slashtommy> good morning
[10:57] <BenChapman> Does anyone here have experience with the Go language (http://golang.org)? (X-post from #tog, sorry for the repettion)
[11:23] <sadsun> not me, sry
[11:49] <Paddy_NI> Hello :-)
[11:50] <ebel> ello
[11:50] <Paddy_NI> Just got out of hospital yesterday.. I now have a brand new nose
[11:50] <Paddy_NI> which is a total mess at the moment :)
[11:52] <Paddy_NI> I started a web design course a month ago too.. really enjoying it... although my skills are currently limited so my sites look like they are from the early 90's
[11:53] <Paddy_NI> Did sabdfl do a keynote at UDS this year? If so is the video in the wild anywhere?
[11:54] <ebel> i don't know...
[11:54] <ebel> czajkowski is at UDS now
[11:54] <Paddy_NI> oh oka
[11:54] <Paddy_NI> okay*
[11:55] <czajkowski> Paddy_NI: he did and it should be up on line
[11:55] <czajkowski> try ubuntu uds or ubuntu developers
[11:55] <czajkowski> not sure where it is right now as headig out wil post back later
[11:55] <Paddy_NI> Oh thanks Laura
[11:56] <Paddy_NI> I wonder if I should put a new profile pic up on g+ of my face as it is now
[11:57] <Paddy_NI> czajkowski, Enjoying UDS?
[13:11] <czajkowski> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bOwyGYTMv8
[13:11] <czajkowski> Paddy_NI: ^^
[13:14] <Paddy_NI> Oh thanks :-)
[13:18] <czajkowski> nicenp
[13:18] <czajkowski> no
[13:18] <czajkowski> grrr
[13:18] <czajkowski> NP
[15:41] <dumb1224> anyone going to the talk in ICS tomorrow?
[16:08] <slashtommy> ICS?
[16:09] <tdr112> slashtommy: the ilug agm
[16:09] <tdr112> thats where its on
[16:09] <tdr112> tomorrow
[16:09] <tdr112> there will be cake
[16:09] <tdr112> i am told
[16:12] <dumb1224> There will be cake, like, literally?
[16:48] <slashtommy> Tog open social is also tomorrow
[16:49] <slashtommy> as i will be building my TV-B-Gone in Tog, i will probably be staying there for the social
[19:28] <czajkowski> anyone home?
[19:30] <sadsun> o/
[19:31] <czajkowski> sadsun: hi
[19:31] <czajkowski> you're new?
[19:31] <sadsun> aye
[19:31] <czajkowski> welcoem
[19:31] <sadsun> ty
[19:45] <sadsun> so you like classical music?
[19:48] <czajkowski> nope fraid not
[19:49] <sadsun> ah, I thought so 'cause of your name
[19:52] <czajkowski> that's my surname
[19:52] <sadsun> wow, cool, any relations to the composer?
[19:54] <czajkowski> nope
[19:55] <czajkowski> my name is polish his was russian
[19:55] <sadsun> ah I see
[19:56] <sadsun> is it a common name in Poland?
[19:59] <czajkowski> no idea I'm irish
[20:00]  * sadsun 's confusion is complete now... o_O
[20:04] <Belgarath> sadsun: :)) people move around. Anyway there are some people earing this name in poland but it is not common
[20:05] <sadsun> :) true, where r u from?
[20:06] <Belgarath> btw the composer name spelling is different
[20:07] <Belgarath> me ?
[20:07] <sadsun> aye?
[20:07] <Belgarath> Poland
[20:07] <sadsun> hmm... did all the irish move to america? :P
[20:07]  * sadsun is Dutch
[20:09] <sadsun> wiki-ed it and u r right; it is Tchaikovsky
[20:09] <Belgarath> well it is the same surname
[20:09] <sadsun> is the pronunciation the same though?
[20:10] <Belgarath> russian letters are divverent so the spelling in every country is adjusted to represent the correct  pronunciation
[20:10] <Belgarath> yes it is the same
[20:10] <sadsun> I see, fascinating
[20:11] <Belgarath> althouth it would be more complex if we were in poland or russia as it would be impossible for female to be called czajkowski  :)
[20:11] <sadsun> uhm okay, why?
[20:12] <czajkowski> I live in England
[20:13] <Belgarath> sadsun: it is because there are different grammer forms for male and female
[20:13] <Belgarath> and while male surname is czajkowski the female would be czajkowska which would hold mostly true for any surname notending with a in the male form
[20:14] <sadsun> really? so what would be the female version then? u r ahead of me ^^
[20:14] <Belgarath> :)
[20:15] <sadsun> does 'ski' mean son and 'ska' daughter?
[20:15] <Belgarath> sadsun: no
[20:16] <Belgarath> however in russia it is still known to use midle name of the father in your name, however that was never commonplace in poland
[20:18] <sadsun> complicated stuff o_O
[20:18] <Belgarath> you have no idea :))
[20:19] <Belgarath> but the way we beat everyone is exceptions to exception to the grammer rules :)
[20:20] <sadsun> is Polish grammar hard?
[20:20] <Belgarath> yes
[20:20] <sadsun> is it like German grammar?
[20:21] <Belgarath> no, german is much simpler
[20:22] <sadsun> okay, then Polish grammar must be really hard, because I thought German grammar was tough in my schooldays
[20:24] <Belgarath> it is, polish my not be most difficult language in the world because of ease to read as pronounciation is stright forward if you lern all the letters and two-letter vocals
[20:24] <Belgarath> but the grammer is probably one of the hardest
[20:25] <sadsun> do u have great Polish literature?
[20:25] <Belgarath> unlike english each letter in polish (unbless in 2-leter vocal) gives only one sound
[20:25] <Belgarath> sadsun: you mean proper or school books ?
[20:25] <sadsun> Dutch has 2 letter vocals as well
[20:26] <sadsun> proper
[20:26] <Belgarath> I do:)
[20:27] <sadsun> Czech has Kafka
[20:27] <sadsun> is there a Polish equivalent?
[20:28] <Belgarath> well depending on what you mean, are you looking for somebody form the same time or just in general renown polsih writer?
[20:29] <sadsun> someone who would do the polish language justice... maybe a poet or songwriter?
[20:30] <Belgarath> in general : Adam Mickiewicz, Juliusz Slowacki, Stefan Zeromski (i skipped polish characteres in the surname)
[20:31] <sadsun> ah wow, cool, Dutch is a poor language, we are better in visualisation and therefore have great painters instead ^^
[20:32] <sadsun> Rembrandt, van Gogh, Vermeer
[20:36] <Belgarath> ok, time to go
[20:36] <Belgarath> see you all later:)
[20:36] <sadsun> c ya :)


[00:04] <X3N> quick question: are there more packages for 32bit than 64bit ?
[00:05] <Fujitsu> X3N: Not by any significant margin.
[00:05] <X3N> :)
[00:05] <X3N> thanks
[00:05] <X3N> Daviey, ^
[00:10] <cody-somerville> :)
[00:11]  * Fujitsu is reminded of Dust Puppy.
[00:13] <blueyed> what's the bash equivalent of realname to get the full path of a file?
[00:14] <blueyed> 2. there is no /etc/X11/xorg.d or similar, is there? For packages to add conf settings.
[00:15] <LaserJock> do we have anybody running MOTU School?
[00:17] <james_w> LaserJock: hi
[00:17] <LaserJock> james_w: ah, I wondered if it was you
[00:17] <LaserJock> I was gonna dig through emails
[00:18] <james_w> LaserJock: what are you after?
[00:18] <LaserJock> james_w: you wanna be MOTU School Coordinator?
[00:18] <james_w> I'm a but stuck for what to do this month.
[00:18] <james_w> LaserJock: what does that mean?
[00:18] <LaserJock> the person to contact for ideas and who sets up the sessions
[00:19] <LaserJock> basically what you've been doing
[00:19] <james_w> I thought I already was :)
[00:19] <LaserJock> well, more official like
[00:19] <LaserJock> I'm making a list, checking it twice
[00:19] <LaserJock> seeing who's been naughty or nice
[00:20] <james_w> I know it's been far from official, and I've only been doing it for a couple of months so no-one knows if I'm serious and whether I plan to stick around.
[00:20] <james_w> I've definitely been somewhere between naughty and nice, so do I get on your list?
[00:20] <LaserJock> yep
[00:20] <james_w> great, I'd be happy to be listed.
[00:21] <cody-somerville> Do I make this list? :)
[00:21] <LaserJock> you might, ya never know
[00:21] <james_w> and if anyone wants to help me with this month's that would be great ;-)
[00:22] <james_w> what's the most critical thing for release at this point?
[00:22] <james_w> getting patches in? fixing FTBFS?
[00:23] <cody-somerville> I notice there are a ton of merges on merges.ubuntu.com for universe
[00:23] <cody-somerville> Where the ubuntu delta is just a rebuild
[00:23] <LaserJock> FTBFS is pretty big I think
[00:23] <LaserJock> making sure anything we're in the middle of gets done
[00:23] <LaserJock> like the gfortran transition going on right now
[00:24] <LaserJock> cody-somerville: those are better handled in Intrepid I think
[00:24]  * Fujitsu notes that an archive rebuild will finish in less than an hour.
[00:24] <cody-somerville> LaserJock, but the debian stuff usually has good stuff
[00:24] <LaserJock> cody-somerville: I thought you were saying the ubuntu delta was just a rebuild
[00:25] <james_w> I'd be happy to run a FTBFS session, only I don't even know where the FTBFS list is :)
[00:25] <LaserJock> you mean that there's new stuff we should be syncing?
[00:25] <james_w> cody-somerville: you don't mean a -build1?
[00:25] <cody-somerville> james_w, Yes, I do
[00:25] <cody-somerville> LaserJock, The ubuntu delta is just a rebuild
[00:25] <Fujitsu> Why did the archive have to freeze right before we do a lot of uploads for the gfortran transition?
[00:26] <james_w> cody-somerville: ah, ok. Does that need a session, it's just a sync isn't it?
[00:26] <cody-somerville> Right
[00:26] <cody-somerville> I filed several sync requests today
[00:26] <cody-somerville> But there are still more that should be synced
[00:26] <LaserJock> is MoM still running?
[00:26] <cody-somerville> I think so, yes.
[00:27] <james_w> LaserJock: last I looked, yes
[00:27] <LaserJock> that's where the "RC bugs fixed in Debian but not in Ubuntu" list is good
[00:27] <LaserJock> we need to be able to prioritize which stuff to grab
[00:27] <james_w> that's a list worth looking at.
[00:27]  * cody-somerville nods.
[00:27] <cody-somerville> but qa.ubuntuwire.com is down :(
[00:29] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, cody-somerville: I don't believe that was ever being updated for Hardy, anyway.
[00:30] <cody-somerville> Fujitsu, It had good enough regardless
[00:31] <james_w> so it's the list of out of date packages in Ubuntu where the debian uploads since the last included version fixed an RC bug?
[00:31] <Fujitsu> Indeed. We really need to track down imbrandon.
[00:32] <Fujitsu> james_w: That's correct.
[00:32] <sistpoty> nixternal: please ping an archive admin, once the new package has been uploaded (bug #196123)
[00:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196123 in ubuntu "[FFe] keurocalc port to kde4" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196123
[00:32] <Fujitsu> Unfortunately, it relies on someone rsyncing from the BTS, which means it needs a DD.
[00:32] <james_w> is the SOAP or ldap interface not good enough? Or is the problem DOSing the BTS?
[00:33] <Fujitsu> I believe it needs to check every bug, so it'd be a fairly effective DoS.
[00:34] <LaserJock> superm1: ping
[00:34] <james_w> fair enough.
[00:34] <LaserJock> I think ajmitch actually downloaded a local copy of bts or something to do it
[00:35] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: That's right.
[00:36] <james_w> LaserJock: have you approached any of the other DDs to do it?
[00:37] <LaserJock> no
[00:37] <sistpoty> maybe lucas would have some idea/some script?
[00:37] <LaserJock> we've just kinda been throwing it around today
[00:39] <james_w> hi sistpoty
[00:39] <sistpoty> hi james_w
[00:46] <nexu> nn
[01:04]  * sistpoty is off to bed... gn8
[01:05] <bddebian> Heya gang
[01:06] <LaserJock> hiya bddebian
[01:06] <nixternal> boo
[01:07] <bddebian> Hi LaserJock, nixternal
[01:07] <nixternal> wasabi homeskillet
[01:07] <bddebian> Heh, not much. You folks?
[01:09] <nixternal> dput'in' crack into the repos :)
[01:09] <bddebian> heh, that's always good :)
[01:10] <nixternal> I uploaded one of your patches the other day, and I can't remember which one it was now
[01:10] <nixternal> yesterday actually
[01:10] <bddebian> My patches?  I don't patch anything.. :-)
[01:10] <nixternal> it was a super old patch, like 2006 old
[01:12] <bddebian> It's just so funny to see the stark differences between the Ubuntu IRC channels and the Debian ones. :-)
[01:13] <ScottK2> bddebian: Yeah.  They're required to care about their users, but we're free to ignore them.
[01:13] <bddebian> Uhm, that would be the anti-thesis of my experiences :-)
[01:14] <ScottK2> It's in the Debian social contract, so it must be true?
[01:16] <nixternal> hehe
[01:20] <bddebian> I'm not dissing Debian as a distro, it's just funny.  Almost any time of day in almost any Ubuntu channel, I can solicite a hello.  In the Debian channels, it's dead air.. :-)
[01:24] <nixternal> bddebian: hang out in the debian-qt-kde chan, it is hardly ever dead air
[01:24]  * nixternal kicks ajmitch in the shin
[01:25]  * porthose wave to all
[01:25] <bddebian> Hello porthose
[01:35] <porthose> what will be the name of the next release, after hardy?
[01:35] <cody-somerville> Intrepid
[01:36] <porthose> sound cool, I like :)
[01:36] <porthose> thx
[01:37] <jdong> NO. BAD FIREFOX-3.0 PACKAGING. *SMACK*.
[01:38] <jdong> the world's out to get me. Everytime I turn around, the world tries to symlink firefox-3.0 to firefox and mess up my backports :)
[01:38] <jdong> I broke Breaks: :)
[01:38] <jdong> do I get a trophy for that?
[01:39] <cody-somerville> :)
[01:44] <RAOF> It should've been Intrepid _Iguana_.  Iguanas are awesome, more so than cool mountain goats.
[01:45] <ScottK2> +1
[01:48] <emgent> heya people
[01:48] <RAOF> Howdie emgent.
[01:50] <emgent> how die?
[01:50] <superm1> hi LaserJock
[01:50] <superm1> what's up?
[01:50] <RAOF> emgent: I could spell it "howdy", if you like :)
[01:54] <emgent> i dont understand howdy :P
[01:59] <RAOF> It's "hello", but distorted through years of separation from reality.
[02:00] <ScottK2> It's derived from How do you do?
[02:00] <RAOF> Yup
[02:01] <emgent> RAOF: lol ok :P
[02:01] <LaserJock> RAOF: like much of the english language? :-)
[02:02] <RAOF> LaserJock: Heh.  We're just talking a crazy mixture of Old Norse, German, and French :)
[02:15] <jscinoz> i'm making a downloader package that uses zenity to display progress, i was instructed to use ssft instead as it  could use alternate methods if an xserver was not present, i have the output of wget mangled around to display % and download speed, however i cant get ssft_progress_bar to take this output, heres a paste of the script so far http://pastebin.com/m8f444a9 what am i doing wrong?
[03:45] <jscinoz> I'm making a downloader package that uses ssft to display progress, i'm using wget to download a file and using sed to mangle it into "0% \n Downloading at $downloadspeed" ssft is updating the speed but not hte bar from the percentage, what am i doign wrong
[04:52] <jscinoz> this is so strange
[04:53] <jscinoz> it gives a lintian error "bad-distribution-in-changes-file gutsy" how is gutsy a bad distribution?
[04:54] <Hobbsee> jscinoz: which release are you on/
[04:54] <jscinoz> as in what release am i building on?
[04:54] <Hobbsee> ye
[04:54] <Hobbsee> s
[04:55] <jscinoz> gutsy
[04:55] <Hobbsee> strange
[04:55] <Hobbsee> it would usually be because the system displaying that is feisty or below
[04:57] <jscinoz> >_<
[04:57] <jscinoz> changlog line: urbanterror-data (4.1~getdeb0) gutsy; urgency=low
[04:58] <jscinoz> and yes it's supposed to be native :P
[04:58] <Hobbsee> i'd say because it doesn't have ubuntu1 at the end.  it's ignorable, anyway
[04:59] <Hobbsee> ...and why are you packaging for getdeb/'
[05:00] <jscinoz> i missed the freeze for hardy, so i'm packaging for debian so it'll get pulled downstream for ibex, and while i wait for a sponsor i may as well put in on getdeb so at least some people can get it
[05:02] <emgent> heya people
[05:02] <jscinoz> rawr
[05:19] <LaserJock> has anybody tried dist-upgrading from like Gutsy to Debian testing/unstable?
[06:11] <emgent> some motu up ?
[06:12] <emgent> Hobbsee: ping :)
[06:12] <Hobbsee> You sent me a contentless ping.  This is a contentless pong.  Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I am around.
[06:13] <emgent> heheh it's true
[06:13] <emgent> bug #202422
[06:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 202422 in smarty "CVE-2008-1066 smarty allows attackers to call arbitrary PHP functions via templates" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202422
[06:13] <emgent> please open task and upload for hardy
[06:14] <emgent> s/task/tasks/
[06:14] <Fujitsu> Isn't that how smarty works?
[06:16] <emgent> Fujitsu: it'snt critical bug, smarty work but it's vulnerable
[06:17] <Hobbsee> emgent: the sponsorship queue was overrated?
[06:18] <emgent> Hobbsee: i prefer used IRC for security sponsor in hardy, because the rest of upload are by security team.
[06:19] <emgent> argh my english sux
[06:42] <nixternal> fooey
[07:58] <emgent> ls
[07:59] <emgent> ups, worng window
[08:40] <Iulian> G'morning.
[10:06] <Iulian> DktrKranz: Thanks for uploading nxtvepg.
[10:06] <Iulian> Hello btw :)
[10:12] <vik_3278> Hello, I have a quick question on naming conventions for back-ports.
[10:12] <Hobbsee> jdong: ^
[10:13] <Hobbsee> vik_3278: would help if you say your question
[10:13] <vik_3278> I'm trying to backport  libestools1.2_1.2.96~beta from Hardy to Gutsy
[10:13] <DktrKranz> Iulian, hey. Thank *you*
[10:14] <vik_3278> Hobbsee: yeah I already posted on jdong's thread, but I thought I'd do a little bit of digging myself :)
[10:14] <vik_3278> sorry the package is called libestools1.2_1.2.96~beta-2
[10:15] <vik_3278> if I'm not mistaken, I should name it something like libestools1.2_1.2.96~beta-2~7.10backport1
[10:15] <vik_3278> or atleast that's what jdong's prevu utility does
[10:16] <vik_3278> but apt doesn't seem to like the 2 ~'s in the name
[10:16] <DktrKranz> hellboy195, !
[10:16] <vik_3278> So my question is, what is the correct way to name this package?
[10:17] <jpatrick> vik_3278: ~gutsy1
[10:17] <hellboy195> DktrKranz: sry?
[10:17] <vik_3278> drop the ~beta-2 all together?
[10:17] <DktrKranz> hellboy195, hi :P
[10:17] <hellboy195> xD xD xD
[10:17] <hellboy195> DktrKranz: good morning
[10:18] <hellboy195> persia: around?
[10:22] <hellboy195> Damn. We are in betafreeze and they now release audacious 1.5 -.-
[10:24] <vik_3278> jpatrick: Ok since it's going to be a local package, I can name it simply ~gutsy1, but does that mean that any packages with "~something" already is potentially not backportable without breaking the name?
[10:25] <jpatrick> vik_3278: I don't see why apt wouldn't like two "~"s in the version, we use it all the time for KDE4 packages
[10:26] <vik_3278> jpatrick:hmm is that right? My problem might be elsewhere then...
[10:26] <jpatrick> vik_3278: all KDE4 packages are ~gutsy1~ppa1 when backported
[10:27] <vik_3278> jpatrick: Interesting. So it should work huh...
[10:28] <vik_3278> jpatrick:actually the problem is when I try to install a backported version of festival which depends on this.
[10:29] <afflux> betafreeze affects only main, is that correct?
[10:29] <vik_3278> jpatrick: apt-get install tells me "festival: Depends: libestools1.2 (>= 1:1.2.96~beta-2) but 1:1.2.96~beta-2~7.10prevu1 is to be installed" despite the debian/control file saying "libestools1.2-dev (>= 1:1.2.96~beta-2~7.10prevu1)"
[10:37] <Hobbsee> vik_3278: you need to fix the festival, then
[10:37] <Hobbsee> vik_3278: ~ means "less than"
[10:40] <vik_3278> Hobbsee: That's what I thought I did: debian/control
[10:40] <vik_3278> Build-Depends: [...] libestools1.2-dev (>= 1:1.2.96~beta-2~7.10prevu1) [...]
[10:40] <vik_3278> [...]
[10:40] <vik_3278> Package: festival
[10:40] <vik_3278> [...]
[10:40] <vik_3278> Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends} [...]
[10:40] <vik_3278> oops sorry about that ^^;
[10:44] <vik_3278> AHA! found it!!!!
[10:44] <vik_3278> silly me!
[10:44] <vik_3278> shlibs:Depends
[10:49] <vik_3278> got it. Thank you guys! I hadn't edited debian/shlibs.local with the ~7.10prevu1 added in.
[10:51] <Hobbsee> :)
[11:15] <afflux> betafreeze affects only main, is that correct?
[11:16] <persia> afflux: It's hard freeze for main, soft freeze for universe.  Be careful what you upload.
[11:16] <afflux> I can't upload anyway
[11:16] <persia> afflux: In that case, be careful what you request to be uploaded :)
[11:16] <afflux> I added two bugs to the universe sponsoring queue, that's why I'm asking ;)
[11:17] <afflux> It's bug 195462 and bug 139877, both are not important to get them in before beta release
[11:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195462 in pymsn "telepathy-butterfly crashed with NameError in _on_blob_received()" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195462
[11:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 139877 in emerald "emerald crashed with SIGSEGV in gdk_gc_new_with_values()" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/139877
[11:17] <afflux> Just for the record ;)
[12:00] <RainCT> hey
[12:03] <hellboy195> RainCT: heya
[12:09] <Iulian> Hi RainCT
[12:40] <cody-somerville> ScottK, I've updated bug 197650
[12:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197650 in gdesklets "gdesklets in hardy unusable due to an unhandled error" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197650
[13:28] <yen> hi guys, need little help to upload my package to REVU using dput
[13:29] <yen> i have my launchpad account, signed Key upload, etc
[13:29] <yen> the instructions in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU look very difficult in the DPUT part
[13:29] <yen> I have the .deb of my package, how to upload now?
[13:30] <RainCT> yen: you've to upload the .changes file with dget (and doing this it will also upload the .dsc, the .diff.gz and the .orig.tar.gz)
[13:31] <Nightrose> yen: dput revu package_version_source.changes is the important part
[13:31] <Nightrose> so go to the folder whith the *.changes file
[13:31] <RainCT> yen: but first, have you joined the universe contributors team and if so, when have you joined it (or if you added the key to LP later, when was that)?
[13:34] <yen> i joined and added the key around 10min ago
[13:34] <yen> i read u may need to reload the keyring or something
[13:35] <RainCT> yen: okay, so REVU won't have it yet (the last keyring re-sync was yesterday). Give me the link to your LP profile and I'll add your key
[13:35] <yen> here, https://launchpad.net/~capiscuas/, thks a lot
[13:39] <RainCT> yen: ok, done
[13:40] <RainCT> yen: you can dput the .changes file now
[13:40] <yen> superb
[13:51]  * RainCT would like to know wheter others think the patch proposed in bug #201509 is sane or not
[13:51] <RainCT> (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gweled/+bug/201509)
[13:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201509 in gweled "Get rid of .gweled file and follow fd.o specifications" [Undecided,In progress]
[13:53] <RainCT> deleting the .gweled file is necessary for the patch on bug #90499 to work, but I'm not sure if that's OK
[13:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 90499 in gweled "gweled plays annoying sound which can't be switched off" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90499
[14:27] <yen> RainCT: i've finished uploading using dput
[14:27] <yen> subdownloader_1.2.9-ubuntu1.dsc: done.
[14:27] <yen>   subdownloader_1.2.9-ubuntu1.tar.gz: done.
[14:27] <yen>   subdownloader_1.2.9-ubuntu1_source.changes: done.
[14:28] <yen> what will happen now to see the .deb in the repositories?
[14:31] <Hobbsee> yen: where did you upload to?
[14:32] <Hobbsee> oh, revu
[14:32] <RainCT> Hobbsee: REVU
[14:32] <RainCT> yen: ok, the uploads is now at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=subdownloader
[14:33] <RainCT> yen: but we are in Feature Freeze right now, so it probably won't get much attention
[14:34] <RainCT> yen: new packages aren't accepted into Ubuntu (Hardy) anymore, unless there's a really good reason for that, so you'll have to wait until the repositories for Intrepid are created
[14:35] <kgoetz> intrepid?
[14:35] <tsmithe> the next release: intrepid ibex
[14:35] <hellboy195> hardy +1
[14:36] <kgoetz> ah... i hadnt heard the new name yet
[14:36] <RainCT> yen: (ie, just after Hardy's release). once Intrepid development started people will look at it (if they don't, ask here on Mondays -Monday = REVU Day-) and if you get 2 advocated (2 MOTUs state that they are happy with it) it will be uploaded to Intrepid
[14:41] <jpatrick> !ibex | kgoetz
[14:41] <ubotu> kgoetz: Intrepid Ibex is the code name for Ubuntu 8.10, due October 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex
[14:53] <yen> RainCT, pitty I cannot get into Hardy repos, my GOOD reason could be that the program has 700.000 downloads, is that enought?
[14:57] <RainCT> yen: I don't know... You can try filling a Feature Freeze Exception, but I don't think "a lot of downloads" is a good reason
[14:57] <RainCT> ScottK?
[14:57] <RainCT> yen: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[14:57] <yen> thks
[15:07] <awen_> anybody has any idea, what might cause this error while building?
[15:07] <awen_> dh_md5sums -a
[15:07] <awen_> md5sum: invalid option -- d
[15:36] <protonchris> Anyone in here interested at taking a look at a upgraded package and maybe sponsoring an upload?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glom/+bug/201385
[15:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201385 in glom "Hardy: Please update glom to latest version" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[16:22] <RainCT> Is anyone here on Hardy using the latest emerald version (from the repos)?
[16:23] <jdong> people still use emerald?
[16:23]  * jdong hugs asac infinitely
[16:23] <jdong> asac: firefox 3.0 beta4 has really made my day. and weekend.
[16:23]  * RainCT does, and he knows other people who use it to
[16:24] <ScottK2> jdong: jeromeg was on last night and asked me to to upload a pigdin backport.  I'd like to get verification from you first that it's a good backport.
[16:24] <RainCT> jdong: what's new?
[16:24] <jdong> RainCT: speed. RAM usage. Beyond all belief.
[16:25] <jdong> RainCT: i was using LP last night, opened up all confirmed backports bugs in tabs, RAM usage slightly below 100MB
[16:25] <RainCT> jdong: from b3->b4, or with Firefox 3 in general?
[16:25] <jdong> ScottK2: yeah, I looked over his debdiff and it looked quite reasonable, and the amount of testing he's done well exceeds my expectations. +1 from me.
[16:26] <ScottK2> OK.
[16:26] <jdong> RainCT: b3->b4 is like the ff2->b3 jump. all over again.
[16:26] <bmk789> !seen
[16:26] <ubotu> The seen function has not been operational for a long time.  Use /msg seenserv seen nickname instead.
[16:27] <RainCT> great :)
[16:27] <bmk789> FF3 b4 doesnt work here :\
[16:28] <bmk789> but im on hardy
[16:28] <jdong> bmk789: aww :(. Up to date?
[16:29] <bmk789> ya, i think its some library that needs updated, im using swiftweasel 3 b3 for the time being, about to try SW b4
[16:30] <fta> what's wrong with b4 ?
[16:30] <bmk789> of course i try it now and it works
[16:31] <hellboy195> LucidFox: beagle? ^^
[16:32] <bmk789> and it is VERY fast
[16:32] <fta> most people complaining about that had a mix of xul1.9 b4 and ff3 b3
[16:33] <ScottK2> jdong: Is there any reason not to make rosegarden build-dep libfftw3-dev | fftw3-dev so source backports aren't needed in the future?
[16:33] <jdong> ScottK2: that sounds like a better idea
[16:34] <ScottK2> jdong: I'll go ahead and do this one, but please fix it in Hardy so we don't need to next time.
[16:34] <ScottK2> jdong: Would you do me a favor and look at what would be needed for a WINE backport.
[16:34] <jdong> ScottK2: well do you think it's okay to put transisional build deps like that into Hardy?
[16:35] <ScottK2> I don't see a downside risk.  Do you?  Maybe ask a few others.
[16:38] <jdong> ScottK2: I don't see any risk, I'm just not sure if anyone will cry and whine about build-dep bloat to support backports packages
[16:38] <jdong> ScottK2: I don't mind doing it, just there's something about uploading to Hardy to fix a -backports problem... doesn't sound right
[16:38] <jdong> ScottK2: and yes, I will look into a WINE backport
[16:44] <ScottK2> jdong: rosegarden FTBFS in my pbuilder for Gutsy due to no libjack-dev
[16:46] <ScottK2> jdong: IIRC, you've done some work on Audacious.  Assuming that's correct, I'd be interested in your opinion of Bug 202518?
[16:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 202518 in audacious "[FFe] Merge audacious 1.5.0-1 from Debian(Unstable)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202518
[16:47] <protonchris> Previously, I have done FFEs for upgrading packages to upstream releases that just fix bugs.  I found a package where the version is over 2 years old.  So an upgrade would most likely include new features.  What are the chances of a FFE being granted?
[16:49] <ScottK2> protonchris: It really depends a lot on the package.
[16:49] <ScottK2> protonchris: If you're interested in the package, I'd suggest do the FFe and see.
[16:49] <protonchris> ok. Here is the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/galculator/+bug/201909
[16:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201909 in galculator "please upgrade to new upstream release (1.3.1)" [Wishlist,New]
[16:51] <ScottK2> protonchris: Knowing if the new version fixed Bug 126841 would also be relevant.
[16:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 126841 in galculator "galculator: constants don't work, decimals get cropped" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126841
[16:53] <protonchris> ScottK2: thanks.
[16:56] <jdong> libjack-dev | 0.103.0-6ubuntu1 | gutsy/universe | amd64, i386, powerpc
[16:57] <jdong> ScottK2: ^^ :-/. And I haven't done any work on Audacious so I don't have any useful comments for that
[16:57] <ScottK2> jdong: OK.  Thanks.
[17:47] <ScottK2> jdong: Looks like rosegarden was some kind of subtle pbuilder problem.  When I use --debug on the pbuilder it finds libjack-dev.
[17:49] <ScottK2> Still plenty to do on Bug #199014 if anyone needs work ...
[17:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199014 in emesene "python-xml removal: please drop/replace (build) dependencies" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199014
[17:51] <RainCT> seems like something is wrong with emerald 0.7.2 or a dependency is missing/not high enough..
[18:30] <jdong> ScottK2: wine builds fine from hardy without source changes... now excuse me as I use this as a reason to play starcraft for 4 hours
[18:30] <jdong> because.... you know... WINE regressions don't immediately show up.... ;-)
[18:30] <hellboy195> jdong: xD hf
[18:31] <ScottK2> jdong: You going to file the backports bug and ask the archive then?
[18:32] <jdong> ScottK2: yeah, I'll do so
[18:33]  * jdong jumps up and down... Firefox after 24hrs still only uses 65.9MB RAM!!!
[18:48] <RainCT> jdong: wow, true. 59MB here.. b3 used around 150
[18:48] <jdong> RainCT: yeah, the difference is quite amazing
[18:48] <RainCT> :D
[18:48] <jdong> RainCT: try using alt-1,2,3 to switch between tabs. Often times it's instantenous, at most 0.5s delay
[18:49] <jdong> that's a first for me
[18:50] <RainCT> awesome!
[19:23]  * bmk789_ needs a mentor
[19:27] <ScottK2> jdong: rosegarden uploaded
[19:27] <jdong> ScottK2: yup just saw the e-mail; thanks :)
[19:29]  * ScottK2 scribbles some notes about remembering to turn universe back on in his pbuilder after he turns it off...
[19:35] <RainCT> Hi bmk789_
[19:35] <RainCT> bmk789_: why do you think that you need one?
[19:36] <bmk789_> id really like to get into packaging and patching and stuff so i could contribute to development
[19:37] <bmk789_> ive read the wiki pages and stuff but think having a mentor to explain the process would make it understandable
[19:44] <bmk789_> RainCT: ^
[19:45] <RainCT> bmk789_: okay, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring then
[19:46] <bmk789_> RainCT: thanks
[19:46] <RainCT> or rather https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring/Contributor
[19:46] <RainCT> you're welcome :)
[19:55] <ScottK2> bmk789_: Alternatively you can dive in, get to work, and ask questions as you have them.
[20:00] <bmk789_> I'll probably read up some more and do that
[20:03] <enarxe0> nxvl:  hi
[20:03] <enarxe0> effie_jayx:  hi
[20:11] <Rotund> Any chance of getting a new community package into hardy still?
[20:11] <hellboy195> Rotund: hardly. Is it *very* important`
[20:11] <hellboy195> ?
[20:12] <Rotund> Updating OpenAL... the one there is awful
[20:12] <Rotund> hardly used by anything actually.
[20:13] <hellboy195> Rotund: you can try but I don't think it will get into hardy
[20:13] <siretart> Rotund: openal is hardy used by anything? huh?
[20:13] <rexbron> Rotund: It is unlikely that a library update will occur this late in the cycle (espically before a beta freeze) unless is fixes a critical bug
[20:14] <siretart> Rotund: there are quite some packages using openal. I'm not even sure we should switch to openal soft for lenny
[20:14] <rexbron> That would require a rebuild of all packages that depend on it
[20:14] <Rotund> that was the suggestion
[20:14] <Rotund> (going to openal soft)
[20:15] <Rotund> Perhaps I'll just set up a PPA w/ it.
[20:16] <Rotund> siretart, is there already a PPA for OpenAL Soft
[20:17] <siretart> Rotund: oh, there is? where?
[20:17] <siretart> Rotund: perhaps you could reupload all reverse deps there?
[20:19] <ScottK2> nxvl: I uploaded tinyerp-server after some additional changes.  Once it's published, please have a look and see if you have questions about the changes.
[20:19] <Rotund> siretart, I was asking if there WAS one.  You sounded like you knew what I was talking about and had looked into it.
[20:19] <Rotund> siretart, I'll just make a new one.
[20:20] <enarxe0> nxvl:  estas?
[20:20] <siretart> Rotund: oh, no. not that I knew of.
[20:21] <siretart> Rotund: I just happen to know the issue with openal soft because I did the last uploads of it to debian
[20:21] <siretart> AFAIUI, openal soft drops some optional extensions that the openal si provided.
[20:22] <siretart> so I'd expect to break on games like scorched3d, etc.
[20:22] <Adri2000> ScottK2: I think there is a bug in wx2.6's debian/rules. the target which creates debian/control from debian/control.in doesn't work. that's probably why you/mok0 only modified debian/control and didn't realize there was a control.in
[20:23] <Rotund> I'll check, but they claim it's just the Loki ones.
[20:23] <Rotund> siretart, All the Loki games included their own OpenAL anyways.
[20:25] <ScottK2> Adri2000: You want to fix it up.  Also it needs the python versions set to 2.4- in debian control (mok has a patch for that in the xml removal bug)
[20:26] <Adri2000> ScottK2: oh, and you uploaded wx2.8 also. I had a patch for bug #193340 to apply to it
[20:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 193340 in wxwidgets2.8 "Filezilla goes inactive if not interacted with" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193340
[20:27] <ScottK2> Adri2000: I wish you'd said something.
[20:27] <ScottK2> I'll ask to have it rejected and we can do it again.
[20:28] <ScottK2> Actually we don't need it rejected, it'll just get over-written.
[20:28] <ScottK2> Adri2000: make a debdiff to mok0's version and attach it to your bug.
[20:29] <Adri2000> ScottK2: still it'd be good to have it rejected, as I'd like some testing of the patch for #193340, it'll probably not be ready to upload right now
[20:30] <hellboy195> RainCT: around?
[20:30] <ScottK2> Adri2000: It won't hurt if it's uploaded.  We can do another one later.
[20:30] <ScottK2> No rush.
[20:30] <RainCT> hellboy195: yeh
[20:31] <hellboy195> RainCT: thx for looking at my stuff. for ckermit I'm not sure if a merge is now worth it ,..
[20:32] <RainCT> hellboy195: bug number please
[20:32] <siretart> Rotund: that's nice and dandy for loki, but we *do* ship software that uses the system openal
[20:32] <Adri2000> ScottK2: I'd like not to have to do another upload to fix the previous. so being sure the patch (that I honestly don't understand) fixes the issue and doesn't cause any regression is a good idea imho
[20:32] <hellboy195> RainCT: bug #201088
[20:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201088 in ckermit "Please sync ckermit 211-10 from Debian(Unstable)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201088
[20:33] <ScottK2> Adri2000: The upload I did is just for python-xml removal.  Are you saying there's a problem with that?
[20:34] <Adri2000> ScottK2: except for that one you also only modified debian/control, no. but to not waste buildd time, it'd be better to have only one upload for python-xml and my patch
[20:34] <ScottK2> Adri2000: Are talking 2.8 or 2.6?
[20:34] <Adri2000> s/except for/except if for/
[20:34] <Adri2000> 2.8
[20:34] <ScottK2> OK.
[20:35] <RainCT> hellboy195: true, I don't think those changes are necessary for Hardy
[20:35] <Rotund> siretart, I know, but I'd doubt ANY uses the crappy Loki extensions (they really were bad)
[20:36] <Adri2000> ScottK2: so can I ask to reject this one? and I'll include the python-xml fix in my upload
[20:36] <ScottK2> I asked.
[20:36] <hellboy195> RainCT: Setting to "Invalid" ?
[20:36] <ScottK2> No need for you to.
[20:36] <Adri2000> ScottK2: ok
[20:36] <RainCT> hellboy195: yes
[20:37] <hellboy195> RainCT: k, thx
[20:37] <Adri2000> ScottK2: I'll also fix wx2.6
[20:40] <ScottK2> K
[20:44] <Adri2000> ScottK2: in the bug report you say to build-dep on python (>= 2.4). does XS-Python-Version: >= 2.4 actually do that? or are both needed?
[20:47] <ScottK2> Adri2000: Both can't hurt.  XB-Python-Version should be sufficient for the binary since any 2.4 will do.
[20:47] <ScottK2> I don't actually remember what that will do for the build-deps.
[20:47] <ScottK2> It might be interesting to set XS-Python-Version: >= 2.6 on a package and see if it builds
[20:48] <nixternal> Tranquilizers 1, neice & nephew 0
[20:49] <ScottK2> Shouldn't that be Tranquilizers 2 then?
[20:49] <nixternal> true
[20:49] <nixternal> cuz I didn't share the same dart on them
[20:53] <Adri2000> ScottK2: it builds in my pbuilder with XS-Python-Version: >= 2.6. so I guess adding a versioned build-dep is better
[20:54] <ScottK2> Yes.
[21:00] <ScottK2> Adri2000: It's rejected
[21:01] <Adri2000> ok
[21:06] <thenewme91> Hi all, I was wondering if somebody could possibly take a moment of their time and look at the patch I've attached to bug 196861?
[21:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196861 in prism "desktop icons created by prism don't work" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196861
[21:08] <fta> thenewme91, i packaged prism initially
[21:10] <fta> what's wrong with the lauchers ?
[21:10] <fta> they work here
[21:11] <fta> oh, i see.
[21:17] <fta> thenewme91, I'll fix it with a few other bugs in my todo list
[21:19] <thenewme91> okay, thanks
[21:23] <fta> np, i wanted to package prism 0.9 but i'm stuck with icon licenses now that the webapps are no longer redistributed by mozilla.
[21:24] <fta> so until I find a solution, i'll stick with this 0.8 svn snapshot
[21:29] <Rotund> k
[22:07] <nxvl> ScottK2: ok, thnx, i will take a look
[22:46] <slicer> I have a postinst script which needs to reload the dbus configuration. I currently do this as "invoke-rc.d --quiet dbus reload". However, if dbus is not present, this fails with exit code 100, which breaks the script (it's 'set -e'). What's the recommended way to query if dbus is installed? Just [ -f /etc/init.d/dbus ] ?
[22:50] <ScottK2> slicer: What happens then if dbus is installed, but not running?
[22:51] <slicer> ScottK2: That works fine, the dbus init script handles 'reload' in the right way.
[22:51] <ScottK2> OK
[22:51] <slicer> ScottK2: The problem comes when it's not installed at all.
[22:52] <slicer> I see there's now a bug report for this as well: bug 202672
[22:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 202672 in mumble "installing mumble-server requires dbus" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202672
[22:56] <ScottK2> That's a pretty amazing coincidence that coming in right while you were working on it.
[22:56] <slicer> ScottK2: No, they were talking to me on IRC :)
[22:56] <ScottK2> Can you confirm what they guy says in the bug about it still working without dbus.
[22:56] <ScottK2> OK.  That makes more sense
[22:58] <slicer> It works, it will just have reduced functionality.
[22:58] <ScottK2> [ -f /etc/init.d/dbus ] isn't the most reliable way to tell you if it's installed, but it is a good way to tell you if the init is present (which is what you really want to know).
[22:58] <slicer> Kind of like xmms without mp3 and ogg support.
[22:59] <slicer> ScottK2: Ok, I'll try that then and have the user test it.
[23:05] <emgent> heya
[23:57] <emgent> heya