[07:54] <ivoks> cmg_: rox
[07:54] <cmg_> ivoks, i see emelfm.. whats the difference?
[07:55] <zoro> nickrud: :)
[07:55] <ivoks> cmg_: rox-filer
[07:55] <ivoks> cmg_: very much like nautilus
[07:55] <cmg_> ivoks, which you like better.. rox or emelfm2?
[07:55] <ivoks> emelfm2
[07:55] <cmg_> ivoks, which you like better.. rox or emelfm?
[07:55] <nickrud> zoro, I put that there so people really look before leaping ;)
[07:55] <ivoks> never used emelfm
[07:56] <ivoks> cmg_: go to packages.debian.org
[07:56] <ivoks> and search for emelfm2
[07:56] <cmg_> ivoks, i'll try rox first..  Nautilus is great, but I am having a prob with it so I want a replacement
[07:56] <zoro> nickrud: look before leaping? feck that! i'll put my blindfold on and boldy follow anyone i want to
[07:56] <zoro> :D
[07:57] <cmg_> ivoks, holy crap dude.. rox has like 25 dependencies
[07:57] <zoro> anyway
[07:57] <zoro> that'll do me - thanks nickrud
[07:57] <ivoks> cmg_: :)
[07:57] <zoro> :)
[07:57] <ivoks> cmg_: xfce mostly
[07:57] <teknoprep> yeah i am sick of ubuntu\
[07:57] <linukso_> rox doesn't rock....
[07:57] <teknoprep> back to gentoo forme
[07:57] <redlounge> anyone can help me with the gnome menu?
[07:57] <ivoks> :)
[07:58] <ivoks> teknoprep: happy usless compiling
[07:58] <nickrud> zoro, np, I'm on a clean up those bad sources.list kick right now
[07:58] <zoro> nickrud: one more thing - would you consider ubuntu suitable for traffic shaping and stuff like that?
[07:58] <littleworm> how do i mount a partition so all the so normal users can access it?
[07:58] <ivoks> zoro: all linuxes are
[07:58] <teknoprep> ivoks its not useless.. everything works... too many problems with ubuntu
[07:58] <zoro> ivoks: yeah i know - but some are more "lightweight" than others
[07:58] <teknoprep> ivoks i can name a shit load of them too
[07:58] <nickrud> zoro, not a clue, I'm not a network admin
[07:58] <zoro> nickrud: cool
[07:58] <Jeroen_> i have a problem
[07:58] <zoro> tis only for a home network anyway
[07:58] <WhiteRabbit> join the crowd!
[07:59] <ivoks> well... i never managed suspend to ram to work on gentoo :)
[07:59] <Jormundgand> If I ask questions about Breezy here will I get berated for upgrading despite what the topic says?
[07:59] <littleworm> how do i mount a partition so all the so normal users can access it?
[07:59] <Jeroen_> I dont hear a sound when i play a MP3
[07:59] <zoro> Jormundgand: lol :D
[07:59] <cmg_> ivoks, is rox a pig to run?
[07:59] <ivoks> Jormundgand: DON'T UPDATE TO BREEZY! :)
[07:59] <ivoks> cmg_: no, fastest there is
[08:00] <Jormundgand> ivoks: Bit late there.
[08:00] <littleworm> how do i mount a partition so normal users can access it?
[08:00] <zoro> littleworm: in what sense?
[08:00] <zoro> littleworm: over a network or just normally?
[08:00] <littleworm> non-root users
[08:01] <zoro> no, i mean are the users that are going to access it going to be on a network, or on the actual pc itself?
[08:01] <littleworm> the pc itself
[08:01] <zoro> ah - that means no samba to worry about ;)
[08:02] <estra> HI
[08:02] <brum> any nfs gurus around?
[08:02] <zoro> brum: kinda - shoot
[08:02] <estra> can somebody help me with the driver of my webcam
[08:02] <moises> hi
[08:03] <estra> i installed it right, but can't see pictures
[08:03] <cmg_> ivoks, i can just run rox-filer?  I dont need to run XFCE and the whole rox desktop?
[08:03] <moises> i have just update from hoary to warty but when it finished i lost mi sound
[08:03] <linukso> cmg_: xfce isn't rox...
[08:03] <ivoks> cmg_: that's right
[08:04] <cmg_> ivoks, ok cool.. here's goes the beastly upgrade and all it's dependencies ;)
[08:04] <brum> i have two machines, A and B, B holds the directory to be exported, and the export file is set so it rw for all
[08:04] <whoiam> Hi all I want some help regarding dansguardian
[08:04] <brum> when i mount -t nfs to it from A it seems to work
[08:04] <littleworm> does someone knows how do i mount a partition so non-root users may access it?
[08:04] <brum> until i cd to that dir
[08:04] <zoro> littleworm: i THINK it's@: mount -t ext3 -oremount,rw /mnt/something
[08:04] <zoro> littleworm: or something laong those lines
[08:04] <brum> then it throws a perm denied
[08:04] <whoiam> little just add umask=022
[08:05] <ivoks> cmg_: it would be easier to know what you dislike in nautilus
[08:05] <whoiam> littleworm
[08:05] <zoro> brum
[08:05] <zoro> it's bossible that +x is required aswell as +rw
[08:05] <brum> if i showmount -a remotehost
[08:05] <brum> it shows that i am connected
[08:06] <littleworm> whoiam: what?
[08:06] <linukso> brum: you've done this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/EtcHostsAllowAndEtcHostsDeny
[08:06] <brum> the remote host is a netapp filer
[08:06] <zoro> linukso: *sigh* the most basic of problems ... you know that that's probably it too :D :)
[08:07] <zoro> god bless broadband
[08:07] <cmg_> ivoks, i like Nautilus.. it just has a problem with my fav editor (SciTE).. I can't open files from Nautilus into SciTE.. and thats like 99.999999999999999% of what I want out of a GUI file manager is to browse files and launch them in my editor
[08:07] <ivoks> cmg_: LOL
[08:07] <zoro> 240megs downloading at a blistering 213kB/s :)
[08:07] <ivoks> cmg_: nautilus doesn't do that
[08:07] <linukso> cmg_: rightclick on the file and select properties...
[08:08] <ivoks> cmg_: you should define favouite apps in system preferesnces
[08:08] <ivoks> cmg_: or right click on file
[08:08] <cmg_> ivoks, it does it fine with all other editor (gedit, etc).. it just hates SciTE.. it opens SciTE but doesnt open the file within it
[08:08] <ivoks> cmg_: hahaha
[08:08] <cmg_> ivoks, i've spent well over 20 hours fooling with it
[08:08] <cmg_> ivoks, in Warty it worked fine
[08:08] <ivoks> cmg_: did you wrote a script for nautilus?
[08:09] <nickrud> cmg_, you can write a small script and drop .gnome2/nautilus-scripts
[08:09] <brum> the strange things is that showmount -a shows i am connected, and df shows disk availibility for the NAS
[08:09] <zoro> cmg_: it's very likely that it accepts the parameters differently in the newer version
[08:09] <brum> but cant navigate into it...
[08:09] <zoro> brum: :/ that's strange
[08:09] <zoro> brum: but i do know that for smb shares you need executable access to it
[08:09] <Jormundgand> The volume control doesn't display my USB headphones which use ALSA even though they're connected and work. It only displays OSS devices.
[08:09] <cmg_> zoro, i wish I knew what to do.. I've contacted the SciTE maintainer for Debian.. it works fine for him on Hoary
[08:10] <brum> i will check that out...
[08:10] <yahalom> how do i remove one of my menu entries?
[08:11] <cmg_> ivoks, wow, rox-filer is FAST
[08:11] <ivoks> and nice :)
[08:11] <cmg_> ivoks, how do i do an "open with"
[08:12] <ivoks> you are asking hard questions :)
[08:12] <zoro> brum: do check it out - i've had ALOT of trouble with samba in the past, and all of theem were to do with my conf files being a load of gay :)
[08:12] <zoro> oh, and one time i didnt plug in the network cable :)
[08:13] <zoro> took me 3 hours to figure that one out :D
[08:13] <jobezone> any one here using Hoary has had ubuntu not booting after upgrading the linux kernel yesterday?
[08:13] <jobezone> updating from the oficial Hoary repositories.
[08:13] <jobezone> upgrading.
[08:13] <Tyche> where is SSH or FTP preferences accessed from?
[08:13] <mez> there's a topic about it on the forum where someone had it .... dont know if there are any replys though
[08:13] <Tyche> I need to either SSH or FTP this machine.
[08:13] <zoro> Tyche: /etc/ssh/ssh_config
[08:14] <zoro> Tyche: if it's a base install of ubuntu then it doesnt have sshd installed
[08:14] <zoro> Tyche: so: "apt-get install ssh" will fix it for you
[08:14] <cmg_> ivoks, seriously.. how do i get it open my editor with the file I have selected loaded in it?
[08:14] <Tyche> zoro: okay, I will install that.
[08:14] <ivoks> cmg_: easily :)
[08:14] <Dr_Willis> thats for the ssh client.  :P
[08:14] <brum> lol@zoro
[08:14] <brum> damn network cables
[08:14] <cmg_> ivoks, yes im sure its quite easy if you know how :)
[08:15] <ivoks> cmg_: cmg_ right click on file you want open with another program
[08:15] <jobezone> mez, yes, I've probably posted in that thread. A eaxy fix would probably be downgrading linux, but where to get the previous version of the kernel now? The repositories only contain the new one...
[08:15] <zoro> Dr_Willis: exactly what i thought - but it installed the daemon too
[08:15] <ivoks> cmg_: file <that filename> Customize menu
[08:15] <zoro> brum: shut up :p
[08:15] <ivoks> cmg_: it will open new window
[08:15] <ivoks> cmg_: drag and drop programs (as links) to this window which you would like in menu
[08:15] <strumane> hello
[08:16] <ivoks> cmg_: and they will be in menu :)
[08:16] <strumane> any people have ubuntu?
[08:16] <goldfish> we do
[08:16] <ivoks> strumane: noone with ubuntu here
[08:16] <Dr_Willis> :)
[08:16] <Mez> nope
[08:16] <brum> nope
[08:16] <mjr> strumane, nah, we're here to discuss ice hockey
[08:16] <Mez> I dont use ubuntu
[08:16] <jobezone> I could allways get the source and compile, though... I'm not sure if this could be done in a chrooted environment.
[08:16] <ivoks> we call us ubuntu for joke
[08:16] <strumane> do you have a demo or original lubuntu?
[08:16] <Dr_Willis> demo?
[08:17] <ivoks> strumane: demo?!
[08:17] <adnans> all of a sudden the nvidia driver + latest 2.6.10-5-686 started freaking out.. freezing every minute.. quite annoying
[08:17] <strumane> i'm using now with lubuntu linux
[08:17] <ivoks> yeah, really ubuntu costs 1560$
[08:17] <ivoks> so, only demo here
[08:17] <ivoks> :)
[08:17] <Mez> lubuntu ?
[08:17] <Mez> that's a new one
[08:17] <Tyche> zoro: installing as we speak.  How about the default config info for Apache if I want to change the location of htdocs?
[08:18] <jobezone> So, I guess everybody here upgraded linux yesterday in Hoary, and is happily running it now?
[08:18] <ian__> hello ppl..
[08:18] <Mez> I think when he asked demo or original ubuntu - he meant installed or from liveCD
[08:18] <ivoks> Mez: that's ubuntu builded arroung linux kernel :)
[08:18] <ian__> how do i play vcd movie?
[08:19] <jobezone> uname -a tells that you  have 2.6.10-5-686 ?
[08:19] <ivoks> ian__: so... printer?
[08:19] <zoro> Tyche: np :) as for apache? i think it's /etc/httpd/conf/SOMETHING.conf
[08:19] <jobezone> and uname -a tells that you  have 2.6.10-5-686 ?
[08:19] <zoro> not sure though
[08:19] <ian__> ivoks: no..luck.. :(
[08:19] <cmg_> ivoks, ahhh relief.. it works
[08:19] <strumane> it's new software
[08:19] <ian__> ivoks: im now testing other... devices.. :(
[08:19] <frogger^> wth is lubuntu linux?
[08:19] <ivoks> :))
[08:19] <cmg_> ivoks, thanks a ton ;)
[08:20] <ivoks> cmg_: works?
[08:20] <ian__> ivoks: how do i play a vcd movie?
[08:20] <cmg_> ivoks, like a charm
[08:20] <ivoks> ian__: xine or mplayer
[08:20] <Jormundgand> One thing I don't like is the removal of the "shutdown/reboot/logout" options on the logout window.
[08:20] <ian__> ivoks: need to install?
[08:20] <tortho> #ubuntu
[08:20] <ivoks> ian__: sudo apt-get install xine-ui mplayer
[08:21] <Jormundgand> Now I expressly have to go BACK to the login screen to shutdown, and I hate that.
[08:21] <tortho> Hi, anyone here using Kylix with ubuntu?
[08:21] <ivoks> no
[08:21] <ivoks> but i do kylie on ubuntu :)
[08:21] <Dr_Willis> Jormundgand,  just hit the power button :P it kicks in the shutdown runlevel for me.
[08:21] <clay> kylix will run on ubuntu? :)
[08:22] <Jormundgand> Dr_Willis: Me too, it's just annoying that I can't reboot easily without going to login screen.
[08:22] <ivoks> i guess, but kylie does
[08:22] <jobezone> well, going to but a blank cd to write hoary into, and reinstall...or maybe I'll try kanotix, not sure. Bye all
[08:22] <ivoks> kylie minough, of cours...
[08:22] <clay> mmm
[08:22] <zoro> ivoks: :)
[08:22] <Dr_Willis> Jormundgand,  - alt-ctrl-bs, real fast. alt-ctrl-del -- then again - i tend to reboot like once a month. :P so its not an issue.
[08:22] <tortho> i've tryed it with ubuntu , fedora 3 fedora4 test3, but the windows graphic is a little bit buggy, cant see the menues.
[08:23] <brum> zoro: i changed the share on the filer from NFS to CIFS w/ rwx access.. i can smbmount the drive and enter the dir, but cannot view the directory listing, or traverse any known sub-dirs... any ideas?
[08:23] <brum> ls: .: Permission denied
[08:23] <Tyche> zoro: Thank you. Take care.
[08:23] <zoro> Tyche: :) glad to help
[08:23] <ian__> ivoks: package is not available.. :(
[08:23] <ivoks> brum: nice :)
[08:23] <zoro> brum: hmmm - interesting problem
[08:24] <zoro> brum: sucks to be you! :p :D
[08:24] <ivoks> ian__: ubuntuguide.org
[08:24] <brum> i know... never seen anything like this b4
[08:24] <ivoks> or even better...
[08:24] <zoro> brum: i've never used CIFS, only NFS
[08:24] <ivoks> ian__: stop
[08:24] <ian__> ivoks: stop?
[08:24] <adnans> interesteingly enough if I compile the nvidia 7174 myself it's rock solid.. hmm
[08:24] <yahalom> man gnome is fast
[08:24] <yahalom> i thought xfce and stuff were meant to be faster
[08:25] <Jormundgand> Now, how do I get this volume control widget to change the volume of the sound from my USB headphones which use ALSA? Currently it only shows OSS devices.
[08:25] <ivoks> ian__: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:25] <zoro> oh i meant to ask - does ubuntu5 support the nforce2 chipset by default?
[08:25] <zoro> brum: is it possible that the parent directory of the share is readonly?
[08:26] <brum> nope... i checked that already... :(
[08:27] <zoro> brum: :/ no doubt it's a stupid f*cking problem :)
[08:27] <Seveas> zoro, sort of...
[08:28] <Seveas> nforce ethernet sometimes requires a little work
[08:28] <zoro> brum: is the network cable connected? :p
[08:28] <zoro> Seveas: yeah i've noticed that myself on a few distros
[08:28] <zoro> Seveas: i was hoping that it had been sorted :(
[08:28] <Seveas> zoro, just modprobe foredeth and you're settled
[08:28] <Seveas> forcedeth*
[08:29] <zoro> Seveas: well, what i want to do is remote-boot an nforce2 system from a server that's not nforce2 :)
[08:29] <zoro> Seveas: hence the problems :)
[08:29] <brum> zoro: nope...
[08:29] <zoro> Seveas: meh we'll cross the bridge when we get there :)
[08:30] <zoro> brum: nope what? :)
[08:30] <brum> i can access the share just fine from windows
[08:30] <brum> network cable is not connected ;)
[08:30] <zoro> brum: ;) :D
[08:30] <zoro> brum: well - if you can access it from windows, why not from lniux :/
[08:31] <zoro> brum: were you able to access it from windows before the changes?
[08:31] <brum> yes
[08:31] <zoro> ah
[08:31] <Aladdin2> hi guys
[08:31] <zoro> well tha'ts a pickle of a deeley :)
[08:31] <zoro> hey Aladdin2
[08:31] <Genie> Aladdin2: rub me!
[08:31] <bottle> actually
[08:31] <bottle> now rub me :)
[08:31] <Aladdin2> ok got what I call a major one...
[08:32] <Aladdin2> ...cause I use Multimedia alot...
[08:32] <zoro> Aladdin2: shoot
[08:33] <Aladdin2> OK I did something that caused Kaffeine (or Totem) to crash every time I try to play a file (in this case StarTrek season 2 18th episode, shit)....
[08:33] <Aladdin2> OK I did something that caused Kaffeine (or Totem) to crash every time I try to play a file (in this case StarTrek season 2 18th episode, shit)....anybody may help?
[08:34] <zoro> well first off - i doubt that mentioning illegal activities is allowed in here
[08:34] <Seveas> Aladdin2, probably you killed the sound server or messed witg some sound settings
[08:34] <zoro> seeing as it's a ridiculously popular irc channel
[08:34] <Seveas> zoro, mentioning is allowed, supporting not..
[08:34] <Aladdin2> Seveas, I got sound
[08:34] <zoro> Seveas: ah - fair enough
[08:34] <zoro> :p
[08:34] <Aladdin2> Seveas, Kaffeine crashes... :o(
[08:35] <zoro> Aladdin2: install any codecs recently?
[08:35] <Seveas> Kaffeine is some KDE player right?
[08:35] <ivoks> kde sucks :)
[08:35] <Aladdin2> Zoro, well I did some installs trying to find a good divx encoder prog :o|
[08:35] <Seveas> point is: sorry, can't help with kaffeine
[08:36] <Seveas> nickrud, it's a vague line
[08:36] <zoro> Aladdin2: well odds are that either some codecs are conflicting, or one of them is just plain gay
[08:36] <cmg_> ivoks, one minor nitpick with Rox.. besides that its pretty nice!
[08:36] <Aladdin2> Zoro, and I did install a third party divx codec yesterday.. That's when it f.. I think.
[08:36] <ivoks> :)
[08:36] <Riddell> Aladdin2: see the /topic  of #kubuntu for kaffeine updates
[08:37] <Aladdin2> Riddell,  I will thx
[08:37] <Stealth890> anyone know how to auostart a sudo command on startup? :D
[08:37] <cmg_> ivoks, so if I select that it does NOT resize automatically... when I restart rox, it initially resizes itself
[08:37] <zoro> Stealth890: bad idea ;)
[08:37] <Aladdin2> zoro, gay?
[08:37] <Seveas> Riddell, do you mind sharing it with us so we can help others with the problem?
[08:37] <Stealth890> oh...
[08:37] <zoro> Aladdin2: yeah - twas a joke ... means that it's just acting like a real whore
[08:37] <ivoks> cmg_: it resizes to size that is needed, not wanted
[08:37] <Stealth890> then how do i set my default gateway without sing a sudo command?
[08:37] <Aladdin2> zoro, k lol
[08:37] <Stealth890> kcondtrol is being gay....
[08:38] <zkruw> anyone know how to change the wordlist in openoffice to a swedish one?
[08:38] <zoro> Stealth890: conf files? :)
[08:38] <WhiteRabbit> Stealth890, its really happy?
[08:38] <Seveas> Stealth890, or fix kcontrol
[08:38] <zoro> :D
[08:38] <zoro> Stealth890: sudo'ing is most certainly not how to do it :)
[08:38] <Seveas> zkruw, install language-support-se
[08:38] <zkruw> that easy?
[08:38] <cmg_> ivoks, right.. i just want it to remain a static size and remain like that until i manually drag it larger or smaller.. and then remember my setting.. but thats a very minor point.  auto-resize seems like it should be better, i'm just not used to it
[08:38] <Seveas> zkruw, yes, it will drag in OOo localizations
[08:39] <Stealth890> well u see, kcontgrol wont work well, i have to use sudo kcontrol in knolse to edit network settings
[08:39] <zoro> OOo is just poo :)
[08:39] <zoro> give me MS Office any day :)
[08:39] <Stealth890> and default gateway always gets erased on reboot
[08:39] <Aladdin2> zkruw, hey I just try to make OO work in plain french and it won't (damn UTF-8).  UTF-8 also causes many proplems with my http server. grrrrrr....
[08:39] <Stealth890> so i se some sudo route default gateway or sumthin
[08:39] <Stealth890> for my router
[08:39] <Seveas> Stealth890, #kubuntu might be a better place for you to find help, they know more about K related things
[08:39] <Stealth890> and i have to do it everytime...
[08:39] <Stealth890> its empty over there >_<
[08:39] <tweakism_> I need to upgrade my wireless nic drivers to use a version not packaged by ubuntu.  dpkg -S says linux-image-2.6.10-5-386 is the package that contains the modules I will be replacing.  http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/INSTALL details the normal build proceedure for this module.  What's the correct way to make a new kernel image package, with these modules included?
[08:40] <zoro> Seveas: it's most likely not a k related issue
[08:40] <zoro> Stealth890: you probably chmodded the conf files or something :)
[08:40] <Stealth890> ...
[08:40] <Stealth890> can u unchdmod a file?
[08:40] <cmg_> Stealth890, you can chmod it again
[08:40] <Seveas> tweakism_, download the sources, adapt the kernel config and use make-kpkg and install the deb it generates
[08:40] <zoro> Stealth890: well, _if_ that's the problem, you won't know which file you'd fecked with
[08:40] <Aladdin2> zoro, any clues on how to get my multimedia apps back working?  This is VERY anoyeing to me.
[08:40] <zoro> Aladdin2: first thought? get rid of them _completely_
[08:41] <zoro> including _ALL_ codecs
[08:41] <Stealth890> hats the thing, im sure i havent done that...
[08:41] <zoro> then reinstall only what you need
[08:41] <Seveas> Stealth890, every file has a mode (the set of permission), so there is no unchmod
[08:41] <Seveas> you can chmod it back to what it was of course
[08:41] <Stealth890> and ive looked through kubuntu froums and it looks like its a prob with kcontrol...
[08:41] <cmg_> they should have a chmod-bin next to the trash.. so you can "empty chmod's" or 'revert" :))
[08:41] <zoro> Stealth890: ah well then it is a k problem ;)
[08:41] <tweakism_> Seveas: OK, that's what I mostly have figured out.  The INSTALL file details instructions for building as an external module, though, so how do I incorporate that into the kernel package?
[08:41] <zoro> cmg_: :)
[08:41] <Stealth890> o well...i gtg
[08:41] <gub> is anyome working on the libx11-6 (keybord bug in breezy) ?
[08:41] <Stealth890> ill figure it out after work
[08:41] <Stealth890> lata
[08:41] <Seveas> tweakism_, you do not *need* a kernel package then
[08:41] <zoro> o/
[08:42] <Seveas> you can simply build just the module
[08:42] <Seveas> nad use it with your current kernel
[08:42] <zoro> tell me, does dist-upgrade install the packages by default?
[08:42] <zoro> or just download?
[08:42] <Aladdin2> zoro, k my thought too. I already tried partially.  I'm gona' go for the BIG thing.  What frustrates me is that I believe that a smal DAMN file is the cause of it all.    If I just delete the modules the package installed, and install my own, it won't be covered by package management.
[08:42] <Seveas> zoro, it will install it
[08:42] <zoro> Seveas: thanks
[08:43] <zoro> Aladdin2: well the only surefire way to fix it is a "GET OFF MY SYSTEM" approach
[08:43] <zoro> :)
[08:43] <Seveas> tweakism_, true, but i think it's too much effort for such a simple thing
[08:43] <tweakism_> Seveas: OK, I'll just do it that way then.  Thanks.
[08:43] <Seveas> zoro, apt-get -d dist-upgrade will only download
[08:43] <Aladdin2> zoro, k goin' for it... see u all back... maybe. ;o)
[08:43] <zoro> Aladdin2: good luck
[08:43] <zoro> Aladdin2: you'll need it :p
[08:43] <zoro> Seveas: that's fine so :)
[08:43] <zkruw> Seveas, installed, howto enable?
[08:44] <Seveas> zkruw, restart OOo, i think it should be there
[08:44] <Seveas> oen sec
[08:44] <Seveas> one*
[08:45] <zoro> Seveas: a restart shouldnt be needed iirc
[08:45] <gub> is anyone working on the libx11-6 (keybord bug in breezy) ?
[08:45] <zoro> Seveas: i _think_ it loads the list every time you access it
[08:45] <zkruw> Seveas, sorry to sound like a n00b whats 00o :)
[08:45] <zoro> Seveas: but i haven't used OOo in a long time
[08:45] <zkruw> zerozeroo?
[08:45] <zoro> zkruw: OOo == Open Office . org :)
[08:45] <zkruw> yes
[08:45] <zoro> zkruw: O O o :D
[08:45] <zkruw> but resterted twice
[08:46] <zoro> ah - i see
[08:46] <Seveas> zkruw, tools->settings->language settings
[08:46] <zkruw> thought you meant something else then
[08:46] <Sethos> is there a firewall i can dl with synaptic?
[08:46] <zoro> hey daniel
[08:46] <zoro> :p
[08:47] <Seveas> Sethos, the firewall is embedded in the kernel
[08:47] <Seveas> you can use command to control it
[08:47] <Seveas> or you can download a GUI frontend, it's called firestarter
[08:47] <teknoprep> why do you guys think that.. ubuntu plays WoW like shit in Point2Play/cedega, but gentoo plays its flaylessly around 60fps
[08:47] <zkruw> thanx m8s :)
[08:47] <yahalom> how can i get a black theme for gnome?
[08:47] <teknoprep> i think ubuntu repo's are built really poorly
[08:47] <teknoprep> yahalom make one
[08:47] <Seveas> yahalom, gnome-look.org / art.gnome.org
[08:47] <ivoks> teknoprep: idiot installed systems?
[08:47] <yahalom> teknoprep, no clue how
[08:48] <teknoprep> ivoks lol gtfo
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> teknoprep,  perhaps kernel version/differances.
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> yahalom,  thers several gnome-theme sites out.
[08:48] <teknoprep> Dr_Willis i had both 2.6.8 on both gentoo and ubuntu
[08:48] <yahalom> Dr_Willis, gnome-look
[08:48] <teknoprep> Dr_Willis gentoo blows it out of the water.. and it takes a non moron to work with gentoo
[08:48] <ivoks> lol, but wrong libc6 :)
[08:49] <zoro> apt-get upgrade is taking a bloody age :/
[08:49] <Dr_Willis> teknoprep,  im just been trying to get Guildwars working with Cedega. :P no luck yet however
[08:49] <ivoks> and probalby no glx driver :)
[08:49] <littleworm> how do i terminate applications?
[08:49] <teknoprep> Dr_Willis you using ubunutu
[08:49] <ivoks> as i said... idiot installed system :)
[08:49] <littleworm> like alt-ctrl-del
[08:49] <Dr_Willis> teknoprep,  yep.
[08:49] <teknoprep> Dr_Willis i find gentoo just works for everything
[08:50] <Sethos> ok, Seveas, (im new to linkux) theres obviously a lot of things that i cant directly controle from the basic GUI, is there a fag somewhere about this?, im also needing to controle synaptics touchpad driver
[08:50] <yahalom> lets say i downloaed a theme how would i choose it to be my theme?
[08:50] <Sethos> faq* lol
[08:50] <Dr_Willis> teknoprep,  i was usein gentoo for a long time - and i had issues with some things. good in other ways.
[08:50] <Seveas> Sethos, look at the topic for a faq :)
[08:50] <Dr_Willis> yahalom,  gnomes theme selector says "drag theme here to isntall a new theme" :P
[08:50] <littleworm> how do i terminate applications?
[08:50] <littleworm> like alt-ctrl-del
[08:51] <Dr_Willis> littleworm,  'kill PID' is one way
[08:51] <teknoprep> Dr_Willis what problems you had.. i have had problems with .. evolution_exchange plugin... acpid crashes... kopete... amarok...
[08:51] <Seveas> littleworm, kill
[08:51] <teknoprep> Dr_Willis and others
[08:51] <Seveas> in a terminal
[08:51] <Dr_Willis> teknoprep,  Yep.   In X, you can use the "xkill" program.
[08:51] <Dr_Willis> teknoprep,  been a few mo sonce i last messed with gentoo however.
[08:51] <teknoprep> Dr_Willis its becuase the repo's are no good... i prefer waiting and getting it compiled myself then getting someone else's crap compile
[08:51] <yahalom> Dr_Willis, got it man thanx
[08:51] <tweakism_> littleworm: Generally, "ps wax | grep programname", note pid.  "kill pid".  Did it not die?  then you have to:  "kill -9 pid"
[08:52] <Dr_Willis> teknoprep,  over all ive have had very few issues with ubuntu at all.
[08:52] <teknoprep> tweakism_ why not just "killall -9 programname"
[08:52] <Seveas> tweakism_, killp ...
[08:52] <tallia2> hi guys... i'm searching for an application 4 linux similar to partition magic .. do you know something? i've to do lots of resizing work and i don't wanna lost my data..
[08:52] <tallia2> could you help me!?
[08:53] <Seveas> tallia2, gparted/qtparted
[08:53] <teknoprep> Dr_Willis i also have a problem with openGL just being slow in general with the xorg-driver-ati... gentoo did a much better, easier, and faster running install of ati-drivers
[08:53] <tweakism_> teknoprep: I like to see a list of matching processes *before* they get killed, in case there's another one of the same name I'm not aware of.
[08:53] <teknoprep> tweakism_ bleh just kill them all
[08:53] <Dr_Willis> teknoprep,  ati?  :P Ewwwww....
[08:53] <littleworm> i used killall -9 <progname> and it works
[08:53] <littleworm> thanks
[08:53] <teknoprep> Dr_Willis yeah but i have a laptop.. can't change my vid card.. ati radeon mobility 9600
[08:53] <tweakism_> littleworm: Don't use -9 unless you have to.
[08:53] <teknoprep> Dr_Willis www.ecsusa.com/g736.html
[08:54] <Dr_Willis> teknoprep,  i had a laptop with ati9700 :P it worked.. ok. :P but i dide4nt worry about games much
[08:54] <tweakism_> littleworm: xkill is pretty neat too.  You run it from the Run box or a terminal, and it changes the cursor.  You click the cursor on a window, and whatever process owns that window gets killed.
[08:54] <Sethos> hmm.. i  accident got my upper panel moved to the right side of the screen, how do i get it back?
[08:54] <teknoprep> Dr_Willis neither did i usually.. but its nice to have them when you are away and bored
[08:55] <Seveas> Sethos, rightclick on the panel, select properties
[08:55] <tweakism_> What is /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build/ and why don't I have it?
[08:55] <Dr_Willis> teknoprep,  gotten where i perfer the C64  and SNES emulators.  :P
[08:55] <tallia2> aren't there other programs !?
[08:55] <tallia2> (like partition magic...)
[08:56] <jeroen_> tallia2, just gparted and/or qtparted
[08:56] <Dr_Willis> tallia2,  ive used qtparted or was it gparted
[08:56] <Dr_Willis> they are good :P
[08:56] <Seveas> tallia2, i only know of qtparted and gparted
[08:56] <Dr_Willis> a live cd with qt_parted or similer is very veyr handy
[08:56] <Seveas> ...and captive ntfs
[08:57] <jeroen_> Seveas, and parted :p
[08:57] <Seveas> and clamav
[08:57] <xukun> tallia2, how about qtparted - A parted frontend using QT
[08:57] <Seveas> jeroen_, that's even furter away from PQM
[08:57] <spinifex> I have a Pentium M processor.  Which kernel should I use?
[08:57] <jeroen_> Seveas, yup :p
[08:57] <jeroen_> spinifex, the normal one?
[08:57] <Seveas> spinifex, install linux-686
[08:57] <tweakism_> Seveas: I haven't used clamav.  How is it?  Particularly, does it have a good DB, or is it lacking lots of common viruses?
[08:58] <Seveas> tweakism_, no friggin clue :) but al newbies want a virusscanner...
[08:58] <xukun> Seveas, and is that bad thing?
[08:58] <psychonate> You probably only need a virus scanner if you plan on sharing a lot of files with a Windows box
[08:58] <psychonate> so methinks anyway
[08:58] <Seveas> xukun, no, it's just the reason i heard of it
[08:58] <spinifex> if I upgrade my kernel to 686, will any of my 386 packages stop working?  Or perhaps my wacom modules?
[08:59] <Seveas> spinifex, if you installed wacom modules yourself, you probably have to rebuild them
[08:59] <tweakism_> Seveas: I'm thinking of installing it on our mailserver.  I never have, because I always had a sneaking suspicion that an open source project couldn't have the resources to properly catalog a large number of Windows viruses, like money farms like Norton and McAffe can.
[08:59] <spinifex> psychonate: can a windows virus even run on linux?  I didn't think it could
[08:59] <ian__> hello ppl..
[08:59] <Seveas> tweakism_, my thoughtd exactly..
[08:59] <jeroen_> spinifex, yes they can, some can
[08:59] <psychonate> spinifex, that's not why
[08:59] <Dr_Willis> im not sure that norton and mcaffe does that good of a job really :P
[08:59] <spinifex> seveas: no, I used synaptic
[08:59] <Seveas> norton does a very good job collecting viruses
[08:59] <jeroen_> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/06/linux_vs_windows_viruses/
[08:59] <Seveas> but their av prog is a resource hog
[08:59] <psychonate> spinifex, I'm talking about downloading things on your *nix box that have viruses and sharing those infected files with a Windows box
[09:00] <spinifex> oh
[09:00] <Dr_Willis> Ive been useing "AVG"  under windows latey.. demo with no lame limitations.
[09:00] <jeroen_> spinifex, here's a good comparison of windows vs linux virus compatability http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/06/linux_vs_windows_viruses/
[09:00] <psychonate> e.g. p2p
[09:00] <spinifex> AVG is the best
[09:00] <tweakism_> spinifex: In the vast, vast majority of cases, no.  there are some Linux viruses, though.  Linux and similar projects tend to 1) be less popular, 2) have fewer remote security holes, 3) and have faster remote security hole response times, so they get less attention from virus writers.
[09:00] <jeroen_> tweakism_, plus you need to be root to do damage
[09:00] <ian__> hello pll..
[09:00] <Dr_Willis> spinifex,  yea they win in my book.
[09:00] <tweakism_> Dr_Willis: We use AVG (the for-pay version) on all the WinXP machines here.  I don't know much about it, but it seems to work well.
[09:00] <jeroen_> ian__, hi :)
[09:01] <tweakism_> jeroen_: Yes.  A sane, good multi-user security policy by default is always a plus.
[09:01] <Seveas> AVG is slow on recognizing new viruses
[09:01] <monteiro> my mouse breaks, when i open simple programs like gaim, i've dma working and all, i don't now what is going on :(( It happens on any window manager
[09:01] <ian__> i tried to follow the guide in how to install multimedia codecs.. but i have a probkem..
[09:01] <linukso> monteiro: disable hwcursor
[09:01] <xukun> what about f-prot?
[09:01] <jeroen_> running windows viruses on wine: http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/01/25/1430222&from=rss
[09:01] <Seveas> monteiro, you're not making sense: 1) what do you mean with mousebreaking 2) mouse and dma have nothing to do with each other
[09:01] <ian__> when i issued this command..sudo apt-get install w32codecs error..package not found..
[09:02] <nickrud> jeroen_, you still looking for a way see the installed universe packages?
[09:02] <ian__> when i issued this command..sudo apt-get install w32codecs error..package not found.. how do i resolve this?
[09:02] <ivoks> ian__: did you enable universe and multiverse?
[09:02] <jeroen_> nickrud, the restricted packages.   What is /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build ?  I've only been using Ubuntu for a couple of weeks as a test, and I'm afraid to just straight build my own kernel 'cause it seems like Ubuntu does some (seemingly very successful) hardware autodetection on boot, and I haven't taken time to become familiar w/ it yet.
[09:03] <Seveas> mplayerhq.com or .org
[09:03] <tweakism_> I did apt-get source linux-image-2.6.10-5-386
[09:04] <ian__> ivoks: how do i enable it? :(
[09:04] <tweakism_> and apt-get build-dep linux-image-2.6.10-5-386
[09:04] <teknoprep> well that was a fast gentoo install
[09:04] <Fackamato2> mplayerhq.hu
[09:04] <teknoprep> now to install the rest of everything
[09:04] <santiago> hi
[09:04] <monteiro> Seveas : for an example, when i open gaim, i start moving the mouse in circules, and when the program starts puf, break a little, like stop in a second
[09:04] <jeroen_> nickrud, so you know howto?
[09:04] <teknoprep> have to love havintg a fast ass computer for gentoo
[09:04] <ian__> Seveas: what u you mean?
[09:04] <will_> tweakism_:why do you want to build your own kernel?
[09:04] <nickrud> jeroen_, sorry, work phone
[09:04] <santiago> I need to burn a .iso in my ubuntu, what app should I use for that?
[09:04] <ian__> ivoks: how do i enable it? universe multiunivers :(
[09:04] <Seveas> ian__, you can get codec packs from the mplayerhq.hu website, use these
[09:04] <nickrud> in aptitude, l~srestricted
[09:04] <jeroen_> santiago, no app needed
[09:04] <jeroen_> santiago, if you use gnome
[09:05] <tweakism_> will_: I don't really, I just want to build this one module, but the makefile complains that /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build doesn't exist.
[09:05] <ivoks> ian__ you have everything you need on that page
[09:05] <santiago> jeroen_, whit nautilus?
[09:05] <jeroen_> santiago, just right click it -> write to disc
[09:05] <jeroen_> santiago, with nautilus yes
[09:05] <jeroen_> santiago, you can also install gnomebaker :)
[09:05] <ivoks> don't do that
[09:05] <beginner> hello
[09:05] <ivoks> I never created CD like that
[09:05] <ivoks> allways fails
[09:05] <tritium> santiago, graveman as well
[09:06] <Seveas> or k3b if you want to use kde
[09:06] <jeroen_> if it doesn't work, then use gnomebaker. Gnomebaker works for me
[09:06] <beginner> is it posible to set a mac addres,ip from ubuntu live cd?
[09:06] <nickrud> jeroen_, ^^
[09:06] <santiago> tritium, I've tried graveman, but it doesn't work well
[09:06] <Seveas> beginner, sure...
[09:06] <jeroen_> nickrud, ^^
[09:06] <ivoks> beginner: yes
[09:06] <ian__> ivoks: i have tried.. but nothing works.. :( like adding a repository it does not work..
[09:06] <kimmo__> i have an weird proble with my ubuntu, i installed it and i hear disturbing noise from motherboard, this wont happen with knoppix or mandrake, what to do?
[09:06] <tritium> santiago, it works fine, but if you had troubles, don't use it
[09:06] <jeroen_> nickrud, ah; thanks
[09:06] <ivoks> ian__: i'm too tierd to explain bacics... sorry
[09:06] <santiago> jeroen_, i'll try with nautilus, let me see...
[09:07] <ivoks> maybe someone else form other timezone
[09:07] <ian__> ivoks: ok..
[09:07] <Mez> lmao
[09:07] <beginner> how?
 maybe someone else form other timezone
[09:07] <Seveas> beginner, with ifconfig
[09:07] <Mez> that beeped me
[09:07] <Mez> lmao
[09:07] <Seveas> ti mez one :)
[09:07] <beginner> seveas how?
[09:07] <beginner> please
[09:07] <xukun> anybody know how I can whatch the movie trailers on http://www.apple.com/trailers/?
[09:07] <beginner> i want to help a friend
[09:07] <jeroen_> nickrud, where do I enter that?
[09:07] <Seveas> beginner, ifconfig eth0 hwaddr 00:00:00:00:00:00
[09:08] <nickrud> jeroen_, just start typing
[09:08] <Seveas> beginner, ifconfig eth0 addr <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:08] <Seveas> etc...
[09:08] <Quest-Master> xukun: sudo apt-get install mozilla-mplayer
[09:08] <nickrud> l is a command
[09:08] <santiago> :O, I had not seen the "write to disc" option..
[09:08] <Seveas> beginner, please read the manpage for ifconfig
[09:08] <kimmo__> i have an weird problem with my ubuntu, i installed it and i hear disturbing noise from motherboard, this wont happen with knoppix or mandrake, what to do?
[09:08] <jeroen_> aha
[09:08] <beginner> i type in a terminal ifconfig eth0 hw ether ..............
[09:08] <tweakism_> Nevermind, the answer to my question was right under my nose.
[09:08] <nickrud> jeroen_, try l~c , very useful
[09:09] <Seveas> beginner, yes..
[09:09] <jeroen_> Why are the kernels in restricted? :-/
[09:09] <beginner> and is not working
[09:09] <Seveas> jeroen_, the kernels are in main
[09:09] <kimmo__> the noise stops when harddisk loads but when computer is idle the noise starts
[09:09] <Seveas> linux-restricted-modules is in restricted
[09:09] <Seveas> so the linux-686 metapackages and the like must be in restricted
[09:10] <jeroen_> Seveas, ah, yep.. you're right; they're the metapackages
[09:10] <truz24> If i have a file with 1000 lines, and i want it divided into 10 files with 100 records in each file, how could i do this ?
[09:10] <xukun> Quest-Master, E: Couldn't find package mozilla-mplayer
[09:10] <jeroen_> seems I only have nvidia drivers installed from restricted
[09:10] <Seveas> xukun, enable universe & multiverse
[09:10] <jeroen_> but I have ati card :-/
[09:10] <beginner> seveas i tried this and the answer was device busy
[09:10] <Seveas> beginner, ifconfig eth0 down first then
[09:10] <tweakism_> Seveas: Well, looks like I'm going to be building my own kernel package anyway (just to have a build directory for this other module), so after I do the build, but before I make the kernel package, can I just substitute in the .ko files I want for the ones in the kernel tree (they're build for the exact same version and configuration), and it will install those when I dpkg -i the kernel package?
[09:11] <beginner> k let me see
[09:11] <Seveas> tweakism_, i think so, but don't kill me if i am wrong :)
[09:11] <tweakism_> Seveas: :P
[09:11] <Sethos> if not in the faq, how do i find information about howto configure the apps/drivers that i cannot acces from the panel?
[09:12] <jeroen_> Sethos, most have a "configure" option
[09:12] <Seveas> Sethos, depends on the app/driver then
[09:12] <jeroen_> Sethos, or run them in a terminal with --help as option
[09:12] <kimmo__> i have an weird problem with my ubuntu, i installed it and i hear disturbing noise from motherboard, this wont happen with knoppix or mandrake, what to do?
[09:12] <kimmo__> the noise stops when harddisk loads but when computer is idle the noise starts
[09:12] <yonil> Q: i know how to add a user with adduser, how can i remove a user (and delete its home dir and everything) ?
[09:12] <kimmo__> please help
[09:12] <tweakism_> yonil: man deluser.
[09:13] <calamari> kimmo__: make sure your case fans are spinning
[09:13] <Seveas> kimmo__, please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[09:13] <yosef> ive just booted into warty 4.10 livecd. any idea if it comes with an ssh server?
[09:13] <jeroen_> No more restricted for me :)
[09:13] <Seveas> yosef, you can apt-get install it, but it will be installed into memory, so it will be gone on reboot
[09:13] <jeroen_> Multiverse is non-supported non-free software, right?
[09:13] <Seveas> yes
[09:13] <jeroen_> okay
[09:13] <Seveas> well, not completely
[09:14] <Seveas> it's community-supported
[09:14] <lop> hi all
[09:14] <jeroen_> lop, hi :)
[09:14] <xukun> Quest-Master, which lines do I need to add in my /etc/apt/sources.list? I only have deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[09:14] <xukun>  in there
[09:14] <Seveas> xukun, BAD idea
[09:14] <Seveas> do NOT use backports
[09:14] <jeroen_> Seveas, why is MythTV in multiverse than?
[09:14] <yosef> Seveas: tmp install is fine. my problem is 2.6 kernels dont seem to let my kb work, so trying to debug. thanks for the help
[09:14] <Seveas> xukun, the list of official repositories can be found in http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/38
[09:15] <lop> i got a little problem with fonts after dist-upg to hoary, can anybody help me out a bit ? cause im out of ideas
[09:15] <Seveas> lop, just state the problem please
[09:16] <lop> thr problem is, i cant use polish signs
[09:16] <Sethos> i have no clue on how to use a terminal, how can i find info, i need to configure the touchpad and the firewall, and the wireless connection prgram
[09:16] <eruin> how's Xorg in breezy today?
[09:16] <lop> tried to set locales to iso, nothingh happened
[09:16] <jeroen_> Sethos, if you use gnome, terminal is 2 clicks away
[09:16] <Seveas> do you have the polish locale and language-support-pl installed?
[09:16] <jeroen_> Sethos, right mouse button -> terminal
[09:16] <omoncho> could anyone tell me when will fonts find a fix directory?
[09:16] <lop> sure i have a pol locale
[09:16] <jeroen_> Why is MythTV in multiverse? It's GPL
[09:16] <Sethos> and then what?
[09:16] <tweakism_> Seveas: Is this the correct process to make a kernel package?  Note the distressing lack of make-kpkg.  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelBuildpackageHowto
[09:17] <Seveas> lop, i don'y know about polish things, maybe try the<EMAIL_ADDRESS>mailinglist
[09:17] <Seveas> tweakism_, no idea, i must confess that i have never made a kernel package myself
[09:17] <beginner> seveas thankyou
[09:17] <Seveas> jeroen_, maybe it Depends: on non-free things
[09:17] <lop> ok, i'll see what i can dfo
[09:17] <beginner> it worked
[09:17] <lop> thanks
[09:18] <jeroen_> Seveas, it depends on other mythtv packages
[09:18] <Brad_c> hey guys im tryin to find the temp monitor
[09:18] <Brad_c> any idea?
[09:18] <jeroen_> Seveas, and some other things - will check
[09:18] <tritium> tweakism_, the recommended approach does use make-kpkg
[09:18] <Brad_c> i tried apt-get emifreq
[09:18] <Brad_c> but nothin
[09:18] <littleworm> how do i change the splah screen?
[09:18] <xukun> Quest-Master, why ist two parts? is that normal?
[09:19] <littleworm> *splash
[09:19] <Seveas> littleworm, art.gnome.org/faq.php
[09:19] <Quest-Master> xukun: One second
[09:19] <Brad_c> can someone help me?
[09:19] <Brad_c> is there a temp monitor?
[09:19] <Brad_c> for cpu
[09:20] <Quest-Master> xukun: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install mozilla-mplayer
[09:20] <jeroen_> pff.. It's dependencies have loads of dependencies :(
[09:21] <Seveas> jeroen_, apt-get -s install mythtv to see them all :)
[09:21] <xukun> Quest-Master, no the sources.list in http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/38
[09:21] <Seveas> xukun, what do you mean with two parts?
[09:21] <Seveas> xukun, you need just the 6 numbered lines
[09:22] <alessandro_> hi all
[09:22] <Seveas> (without the numbers)
[09:22] <xukun> aha thanks
[09:22] <lop> oh, one more thing - i have nvidia based gpu, and keep getting segmentation faults when trying to run xmms, also after updating to hoary i had to change "nvidia" in xorg.conf to "nv" cause my x-serv wouldnt start
[09:22] <alessandro_> how can I modify bootable linux partition ?
[09:22] <lop> should i recompile the kernel with 'nvidia' module ?
[09:22] <Seveas> lop, you need to install xorg-driver-nvidia (oslt) and use nvidia-glx-enable (the exact howto is on the wiki)
[09:23] <Seveas> there have been massive changes with regard to X between warty and hoary
[09:23] <Seveas> alessandro_, what do you mean
[09:23] <Quest-Master> xukun: Copy and paste this sources.list.. it is mine and works perfectly http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/49
[09:23] <Brad_c> snobs
[09:24] <jeroen_> Seveas, seeing them all is no problem; checkin their status is ;)
[09:24] <Seveas> Quest-Master, the /38 is mine and works perfectly too :)
[09:24] <Quest-Master> Seveas: More than one solution doesn't hurt ;)
[09:24] <Seveas> well, yours doesn;t include all official repo's :)
[09:24] <alessandro_> I want to move first partition (ext3) at the end of disk and put a windows one instead
[09:24] <lop> thx sevas,should try it
[09:25] <Quest-Master> Seveas: .. and?
[09:25] <Seveas> alessandro_, i think only partition magic (a windows program) is capable of doing that
[09:26] <Burgundavia> Seveas, what about parted?
[09:26] <jcompton> Upgrading to Hoary seems to have broken audio on my old laptop (it worked fine previously.) Any suggestions?
[09:26] <alessandro_> gasp :( guess what... I tried with qtparted but I can't modify mounted partition like the ext3 one
[09:26] <Seveas> Burgundavia, afaik it cannot move partitions...
[09:26] <jeroen_> is it possible to remove all enters from a (text) file and replace them with spaces? Automated?
[09:26] <Burgundavia> Seveas, ah
[09:26] <tweakism_> jeroen_: Sure.
[09:26] <jeroen_> tweakism_, :)
[09:26] <alessandro_> I tried also with knoppix but I can't interactproperly with disk
[09:26] <brush> i've got a simple route question, somebody willing to help?
[09:27] <jeroen_> tweakism_, do you know how?
[09:27] <brush> i keep getting the wrong default route (and gw)
[09:27] <zkruw> is it possible to get the gaim windows to blink hrrm like in windows when thery are down in the gnome-panel?
[09:28] <spinifex> zkruw: there's a patch for it on the net somewhere, but I don't know how to apply it
[09:28] <jeroen_> zkruw, it's possible but I don't know if gaim supports it
[09:28] <spinifex> gaim supports marking windows as urgent
[09:28] <tweakism_> jeroen_: Give me a second to get the right sed command.
[09:28] <eruin> spinifex, gnome-panel doesn't
[09:29] <zkruw> i have marked every thing i can find, any tip on what to search one?
[09:29] <eruin> spinifex, there should be a what, three year old bug on it
[09:29] <eruin> deferred due to nasty politics just like mdi in gimp
[09:29] <tarvid> my t20 notebook with a 3c556b mini-pci fails with vortex_probe1 fails returns -22
[09:30] <tarvid> any hope?
[09:30] <tweakism_> jeroen_: cat FILENAME | sed -e :a -e 'N; s/\n/, /; ta'
[09:30] <spinifex> #!/usr/bin/perl -w
[09:30] <spinifex> for my $file( @ARGV ){
[09:30] <spinifex>     open FILE, "<$file";
[09:30] <spinifex>     while( defined( my $line = <FILE> )){
[09:30] <spinifex>         chomp($line);
[09:30] <spinifex>         print $line;
[09:31] <jeroen_> tweakism_, you're the best :p
[09:31] <spinifex>     }
[09:31] <tweakism_> jeroen_: It's normally much simpler, for example to replace all Y's with WHY, you do sed -e "s/Y/WHY/g"
[09:31] <spinifex> }
[09:31] <makkia> hello
[09:31] <spinifex> print "\n";
[09:31] <spinifex> oops
[09:31] <spinifex> meant to paste the url
[09:31] <tweakism_> jeroen_: It's hard to replace the newlines, though, because sed splits its input on those.
[09:31] <spinifex> to a pastebin of that
[09:31] <spinifex> anyway, perl script for the guy who asked to chomp
[09:31] <novaflare> man has to be a way to get dual siplays working right with out all the file editing
[09:31] <makkia> my openoffice (1.1.3) in breezy crashes!
[09:31] <jeroen_> tweakism_, thanks for the explanation
[09:31] <jeroen_> makkia, it's Breezy, duh
[09:32] <brush> can anybody help with an easy route question?
[09:32] <spinifex> http://pastebin.com/289209
[09:32] <jeroen_> brush, if it's easy, just ask
[09:32] <jeroen_> who knows, someone might now, brush
[09:32] <brush> my default route keeps coming up wrong
[09:32] <brush> it points to the gw instead of my isp's gw
[09:33] <brush> sorry, it is the gw
[09:33] <jeroen_> tweakism_, you put commas between them though.. gotta fix that ;)
[09:33] <tarvid> brum, that may be right - what sort of gateway
[09:33] <spinifex> jeroen_: that was for you
[09:33] <xukun> Quest-Master, thanks it works, but I just founded out that I dont have a sound
[09:33] <brush> just ipforward, ubuntu machine
[09:33] <tweakism_> jeroen_: Ah, whoops, my bad.  Was a paste from a google.  Should be obvious where to remove the comma from :P
[09:33] <jeroen_> tweakism_, it's no problem ;)
[09:33] <brush> when i restart my network, the default route pts to <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:33] <HiddenWolf> Guys, I just cleanly closed down ubuntu hoary, rebooted, and now I can't mount my / partition, grub error 17
[09:34] <xukun> the master volume is all the way up, but no sound
[09:34] <brush> instead of the isp's gw
[09:34] <brush> i can manually change it and everything is fine
[09:34] <jeroen_> spinifex, thanks, but tweakism_ solved it alright
[09:34] <brush> so, where does the networking startup script get that bad route?
[09:34] <tweakism_> brush: DHCP?
[09:34] <phylus> So I just installed Ubuntu and after a couple reboots, after logging in with gdm I just get a brown screen with a cursor; never see the normal GNOME startup stuff.  Any ideas why?
[09:35] <tweakism_> phylus: Does it have a grey or other color brown border at the top and bottom?
[09:35] <brush> no, DHCP gives the correct route, but when i restart my network it grabs the incorrect route
[09:35] <spinifex> xukun: xukun: there are sound issues in hoary.  Try `sudo killall esd` before running the program you can't get sound from
[09:35] <tarvid> brush, dhcp should get the right gateway
[09:36] <phylus> tweakism_: Nope, just a really light shade of brown it looks like.
[09:36] <klaas> hi @ll
[09:36] <brush> tarvid, DHCP does get the right gw
[09:36] <brush> but if i just restart my network there is a default placed above the DHCP default
[09:37] <tarvid> restarting should invoke a lease shouldn't it
[09:37] <phylus> tweakism_: Oh that's interesting, a couple minutes after letting it sit there it worked.  I wonder if I'm having DNS issues.
[09:37] <brush> tarvid, the DHCP is fine
[09:37] <brush> but, if i restart my network, a default route gets placed above the ISP that points to the gw
[09:37] <tweakism_> phylus: Huh.  For a DNS-timeout-ish length of delay, makes sense I guess.  I don't know much about ubuntu, or gnome, though.
[09:37] <phylus> tweakism_: Just walked out to the laptop I put it on and after about 10 minutes it seems to login.
[09:38] <tarvid> my nat box says among other things option routers <IP_ADDRESS>;
[09:38] <tweakism_> phylus: DNS timeouts are faster than 10min, generally.
[09:38] <tweakism_> poof.
[09:38] <HiddenWolf> Please, I just rebooted ubuntu after installing the hoary kernel update, and now I get a grub error 17, cannot mount partition. Unable to acces grub
[09:38] <brush> tarvid, option routers?
[09:39] <monteiro> my ubuntu when copying programs the mouse stops :( i've dma enabled and all, i don't understand why
[09:39] <spinifex> hiddenwolf: I'm about to do that.  I hope it doesn't happen to me
[09:40] <phylus> tweakism_: Yeah it should be.  I installed it with no network and later had to reboot into single-user because gnome/sudo were going nuts that the hostname wasn't resolvable.  (I couldn't even sudo to change /etc/hosts)
[09:40] <alessandro_> why if I boot Knoppix I can't modify hard disk partition?
[09:40] <HiddenWolf> spinifex, might sound harsh, but I hope it does, then I know what the problem is. :P
[09:41] <spinifex> well here goes.  brb
[09:42] <jeroen_> Aha!!! Found it! Thanks Seveas, tweakism_ spinifex, everyone here. Packages myth is depending on not in main/restricted/universe: libmyth
[09:43] <jcompton> No matter what I select for Default Sink and Default Source in the Multimedia Systems Selector, it either fails to open the pipeline, or just "Testing..."s away in silence. Again, audio worked under warty, so I'm a little confused.
[09:43] <RuffianSoldier> How easy is Wifi in Ubuntu now adays
[09:44] <tweakism_> RuffianSoldier: I've had success installing, going to network config tool from Gnome menu, putting in wifi network details, and it work.
[09:44] <CarlK> phylus - when I have questions about DNS, first thing I do is: run tethereal -l -V port 68
[09:44] <RuffianSoldier> ic
[09:44] <CarlK> phylus - what it shows is amazing
[09:44] <jeroen_> oh, and liblame0 aswell - but that's gpl, right? :/
[09:45] <fidget> hey does anyone know how to scan chatrooms in gaim?
[09:45] <HiddenWolf> Can anyone tell me what grub "error 17, unable to mount partition" is, and how I get around it?
[09:45] <fidget> is it even possible?
[09:45] <spinifex> wee, 686 kernel is much faster
[09:46] <HiddenWolf> Can anyone tell me what grub "error 17, unable to mount partition" is, and how I can fix it?
[09:47] <jeroen_> alright, myth's problems: I think: liblame0!
[09:47] <jeroen_> libmyth0 is probably free aswell, but is excluded for the same reasons as the rest of myth
[09:48] <jeroen_> but lame is Free!
[09:48] <brush> my networking script adds a default route back to the same computer, any ideas?
[09:48] <spinifex> hiddenwolf: that happened to me when I tried to install ubuntu from a scratched CD, and it wasn't able to finish installing the base OS.  I ended up burning a new CD and reinstalling...
[09:48] <spinifex> hiddenwolf: sorry I can't be more helpful.  try google
[09:48] <brush> the computer is acting as ipforward
[09:48] <SlicerDicer> Seveas: I cannot remember what you said the commands were to add dhcp to eth0 :
[09:49] <tweakism_> jeroen_: perhaps LAME includes non-free codecs?
[09:49] <Cyborger> hi
[09:49] <jeroen_> tweakism_, well, it's mp3, but these are in gstreamer-lame aswell
[09:49] <DefHandz> I am having trouble installing Mozilla Active X control to install Steam with Wine. How do I install Mozilla Active X control on Linux??
[09:49] <DefHandz> Kubuntu, to be exacty.
[09:49] <HiddenWolf> Can anyone tell me what grub "error 17, unable to mount partition" is, and how I can fix it?
[09:49] <DefHandz> Hoary
[09:49] <brush> it gets dhcp fine, but there is a default above that
[09:50] <Seveas> SlicerDicer, dhclient3 eth0
[09:50] <tritium> HiddenWolf, you're repeating
[09:50] <klaas> woha :s #kubuntu isnt normal
[09:50] <Cyborger> hi i need some help.. i have configured samba trugh gui and now i need to restart it.. how i do dat.. and i also noticed that i have a lot of programs installed but not in menys.. how i get them there?
[09:50] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, maybe your menu.lst has an error
[09:51] <Seveas> Riddell, ??
[09:51] <DefHandz> ACan anyone help? I am having trouble installing Mozilla Active X control to install Steam with Wine. How do I install Mozilla Active X control on Linux??
[09:51] <jeroen_> DefHandz, I'm pretty sure that's impossible
[09:52] <DefHandz> X_X
[09:52] <DefHandz> Then how do other people do it?
[09:52] <jeroen_> DefHandz, it's windows only
[09:52] <DefHandz> Steam?
[09:52] <SlicerDicer> Seveas: thanks :)
[09:52] <DefHandz> No, with Wine.
[09:52] <DefHandz> -_-
[09:52] <DefHandz> You can install steam with Wine. People have done it.
[09:52] <jeroen_> DefHandz, then you need to run mozilla with wine aswell (right?)
[09:52] <DefHandz> Tried. It can't find a file
[09:52] <DefHandz> I cant I mean
[09:52] <DefHandz> Ill send teh error..
[09:53] <spinifex> hiddenwolf: have fun researching http://www.google.com/search?q=grub+error+17
[09:53] <tehnik> could anyone tell me what should one do to make TV-tuner (I have AverMedia Studio 305) to work in Ubuntu?
[09:53] <Riddell> Seveas: hmm?
[09:53] <Seveas> Riddell, look at #kubuntu...
[09:54] <spinifex> does kubuntu work very well yet?
[09:54] <Cyborger> Ime trying to edit some stuff. and it keeps saying ime not the owner.. when i am.. lol.. what can i do??
[09:55] <jeroen_> Cyborger, sudo
[09:55] <spinifex> cyborger: you could sudo, or chown it to make sure it's yours
[09:55] <jeroen_> Cyborger, http://www.ubuntu.com/support/documentation/faq/root
[09:55] <Cyborger> .. ime not familiar can u elaborate
[09:55] <jeroen_> http://www.ubuntu.com/support/documentation/faq/root
[09:56] <jeroen_> lame is free I'm sure!
[09:56] <stevem> hi, I just installed xfce, but it continuously uses GNOME at startup, how can I change it to run xfce instead?
[09:56] <jeroen_> And it's only dependencies are libc6 and liblame-dev
[09:56] <spinifex> cyborger: say sudo before a command to run that command as root
[09:56] <jeroen_> Stevem, log out, click sessions, select XFCE
[09:56] <stevem> I think I'm stuck in xdm
[09:57] <stevem> so I don't think there's even a sessions :/
[09:57] <jeroen_> stevem, type in username+password, it'll say "hey, you want XFCE, right? Make it default?"
[09:57] <stevem> hmm, it doesn't ask me though :/
[09:57] <stevem> the only way I've ever gotten it to run XFCE is when I use startxfce4
[09:58] <jeroen_> stevem, when you click session -> XFCE ?
[09:58] <Seveas> stevem, you can select it under sessions in gdm (provided you run gdm)
[09:58] <jeroen_> in gdm
[09:58] <stevem> when I log out, I see XDM, and XDM doesn't show sessions :/
[09:58] <stevem> how do I use GDM instead of XDM
[09:58] <jeroen_> xdm :-/ I don't really now that
[09:58] <stevem> that way I can do what you guys said :P
[09:58] <Seveas> sudo aptitude install gdm
[09:58] <spinifex> aptitude?
[09:58] <stevem> actually I think it's already installed
[09:59] <tritium> sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[09:59] <Cyborger> i did as it said.. and i still cant edit my conf files...
[09:59] <stevem> there we go tritium  :)
[09:59] <stevem> thanks
[09:59] <tritium> stevem, sure :)
[10:00] <stevem> initscript gdm, action "reload" failed
[10:00] <stevem> hopefully that's not a big deal :)
[10:00] <stevem> this machine just randomly locks up a lot, I think it has some bad RAM...
[10:00] <spinifex> cyborger: you mean you said something like `sudo emacs thefilename`?  (with whatever text editor in place of emacs)
[10:00] <Seveas> stevem, boot into memtest86 then
[10:01] <Cyborger> no
[10:01] <spinifex> well, try it
[10:01] <Cyborger> i just need to get acces to the ADMIn accoint
[10:01] <stevem> well, even if it has bad ram, I'm not going to be able to buy ram for it anyways :P
[10:01] <Jeroen__> ican play mp files but i dont hear sound? what to do?
[10:01] <Cyborger> so i can edit
[10:01] <Seveas> Cyborger, sudo -i will give you a root shell
[10:01] <Seveas> Cyborger, read wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[10:03] <stevem> ok, rebooting with gdm hopefully :)
[10:03] <stevem> thanks again guys
[10:03] <Jormundgand> Now, how do I get this volume control widget to change the volume of the sound from my USB headphones which use ALSA? Currently it only shows OSS devices.
[10:04] <MrMaDSeN> anyone here?
[10:04] <Cyborger> But.. is there a command i can use which will make my account over all admin always.. so i can edit what i want when i want were i want.,.. trugh gui
[10:04] <Jormundgand> (Contrary to the advice of the topic I'm using Breezy because I find it fun to break my system and then try to fix it.)
[10:04] <jeroen_> MrMaDSeN, lots of people here! 505 of them
[10:04] <jeroen_> Cyborger, gksudo programname
[10:04] <MrMaDSeN> any easy way to install Sun's java with apt-get install ?
[10:05] <jeroen_> MrMaDSeN, http://ubuntuguide.org/
[10:05] <Cyborger> programname.. of each program i want to edit??
[10:05] <tritium> MrMaDSeN, download the .bin from sun, then use make-jpkg (after installing java-package) to create a .deb
[10:06] <Randpoger> hallo jemand deutsch hier?
[10:06] <mcquaid> j2re is available in universe isn't it
[10:06] <tritium> no
[10:06] <mcquaid> i installed it via apt/synaptic
[10:06] <Randpoger> hmm...
[10:06] <spinifex> cyborger: when you want to run a program as root, write sudo or gksudo before it in the commandline.  Ubuntu automatically runs gksudo when you run a gui program that requires root
[10:06] <Cyborger> yes.. but i cant open the conf from gui\
[10:06] <mcquaid> my mistake java is in backports
[10:06] <Cyborger> coz it says its readonly
[10:06] <Cyborger> cant u just ahve root acces on my account??
[10:07] <Cyborger> and i do what i want on all ?
[10:07] <spinifex> cyborger: security hazard
[10:07] <jeroen_> After looking at all dependencies I see *zero* reason why lame and mythtv are in multiverse, not universe
[10:07] <Cyborger> secuity for who??
[10:07] <Cyborger> ime the only one using it
[10:07] <spinifex> for you, in case somebody hax0rz j00 and logs in as root
[10:07] <Cyborger> will it be affected on the net?
[10:07] <jeroen_> Cyborger, http://www.ubuntu.com/support/documentation/faq/root it explains the security issues aswell
[10:07] <tritium> jeroen_, patent-encumbered codecs
[10:07] <Cyborger> ime not so concerned
[10:08] <jeroen_> tritium, so it's because of lame? But gstreamer-lame is in universe!!!
[10:08] <Riddell> Seveas: sorted now, sorry for the delay
[10:08] <Cyborger> coz ime the only one in the hosue who uses my pc's.. lol
[10:08] <tritium> Cyborger, this is more detailed: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:08] <Cyborger> can i do what i  said..
[10:08] <Cyborger> give root acces to all
[10:08] <tritium> jeroen_, no...
[10:08] <Seveas> Riddell, np it's your channel ;)
[10:08] <Sethos> hmm.. is there a controller for the driver for synaptics for the x.org server? i cant find one
[10:08] <spinifex> cyborger: you can use the root account if you so want to.  Just say 'sudo passwd' and give it a password, and then you'll be able to login as 'root'
[10:09] <Cyborger> ok
[10:09] <jeroen_> tritium, so it's because of mythtv patent encumbering? Is there a page with more info on this?
[10:09] <Cyborger> lemme c
[10:09] <jeroen_> tritium, which explains the reasons for putting it in multiverse? I'm googling the subject now
[10:09] <jeroen_> spinifex, you can't login that way
[10:09] <tritium> jeroen_, no, it's not in the mythtv code
[10:09] <jeroen_> spinifex, not with gdm anyway
[10:10] <spinifex> jeroen_: really?  I haven't tried it, but I recall a faq...  *looks around*
[10:10] <SlicerDicer-> question for you guys... I have no sound and I unmuted everyting is there something special I need to do with a audigy 2 to get it to work?
[10:10] <jeroen_> you need to (un?)check a box in gdm settings for that spinifex
[10:11] <spinifex> cyborger: besides, you can just go to Applications->System Tools->Root Terminal
[10:11] <jeroen_> spinifex, cyborger has left
[10:11] <spinifex> slicerdicer: hoary has sound issues.  Try saying sudo killall esd before running the program in question
[10:12] <SlicerDicer-> I dont have esd running
[10:12] <spinifex> oh.  dunno then
[10:13] <sysdebug> Hi.. what is a default root password for the ubuntu 5.04 ...
[10:13] <spinifex> sysdebug: there is none.  sudo passwd sets one I believe
[10:13] <HiddenWolf> sysdebug, root isn't enabled by default
[10:13] <jeroen_> sysdebug, http://www.ubuntu.com/support/documentation/faq/root
[10:13] <spinifex> sysdebug: but ubuntu likes it better if you use sudo all the time instead, or open a root terminal
[10:14] <sysdebug> Thanks!!!
[10:14] <SlicerDicer-> spinifex, I am stubborn I go directly to SU otherwise I go batty not being able to do whatever I want quickly :)
[10:14] <jcompton> spin: The killall esd "fix" doesn't seem to be helping me. Is there anything else I can do, or am I simply stuck with a silent Ubuntu install until and unless this gets worked out?
[10:14] <HiddenWolf> can anyone here tell me what it means if fdisk can't open my /dev/sda
[10:15] <spinifex> hmm.  *looks for the ubuntu sound faq*
[10:15] <SlicerDicer-> jcompton, what are you using for sound card?
[10:15] <Sethos> hmm.. is there a controller for the driver for synaptics for the x.org server? i cant find one
[10:16] <blablablabla> why is there no modconf in Ubuntu? is there any alternative frontend?
[10:16] <spinifex> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats   The sound setup on this page helped me out.  I don't know if you have the same problem though
[10:17] <jcompton> Slicer: This laptop has a Creative EV1938. Which, again, worked trouble-free in the previous edition.
[10:17] <nickrud> blablablabla, rcconf is in universe
[10:18] <blablablabla> nickrud: thanks, I'll have a look ...
[10:19] <nickrud> blablablabla, it's a front-end to update-rc.d, the official runlevel setter
[10:19] <blablablabla> no, I'm searching for tool to configure kernelmodules
[10:19] <nickrud> doh, I need to get my new glasses soon
[10:20] <SlicerDicer-> god damn digital output
[10:21] <blablablabla> what's the ubuntu way to configure kernelmodules?
[10:21] <SlicerDicer-> hey jcompton and spinifex perhaps take a gander at this http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-18802.html
[10:21] <SlicerDicer-> google be ye friend! :)
[10:21] <SlicerDicer-> speaking about the digital/analog output that is what muted my sound
[10:21] <Jimbob> blablablabla: You mean to load them, or select them while compiling your own kernel?
[10:21] <topyli> blablablabla: there's no ubuntu way that i know of
[10:22] <blablablabla> in debian there is modconf, where I select modules to get loaded and specify parameters which then gets saved load them again after rebooting ..
[10:22] <topyli> blablablabla: oh, modconf is there isn't it?
[10:22] <SlicerDicer-> jcompton, did that help?
[10:23] <blablablabla> not for me ...
[10:23] <topyli> blablablabla: blimey, it's not there. that's not good
[10:24] <jcompton> Slicer: I'm afraid I don't really see a suggested fix in there, aside from "install KDE." Am I missing something?
[10:24] <semi> is there any way to get nvidia glx working on the livecd?
[10:24] <SlicerDicer-> jcompton, you dont need ke
[10:24] <jcompton> Ah, alsamixer. Let's see.
[10:24] <SlicerDicer-> err kde
[10:24] <zoro> any chance someone could help me out with some PXE problems?
[10:25] <SlicerDicer-> jcompton, what it is saying is that if you have a digital out jack maybe its unmuted not allowing sound out the main jacks "my problem" but who knows you can do that with kmix or gnome-alsamixer or somethign like that
[10:25] <SlicerDicer-> jcompton, does that make sence?
[10:25] <MrMaDSeN> thnx for your help folks ! Those who did help me  :))
[10:25] <jcompton> Slicer: I am simply using the internal laptop speakers. No fancy digital out anything.
[10:25] <blablablabla> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/m/modconf/, its there but no deb's
[10:25] <zoro> semi: probably not from the live cd no, but from the install - yeah
[10:26] <SlicerDicer-> hmm jcompton did  you run alsamixer in the terminal and make sure everything was unmuted?
[10:26] <Seveas> blablablabla, maybe they are ftbfs
[10:26] <semi> alright, thanks
[10:26] <Seveas> see people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs
[10:27] <SlicerDicer-> jcompton, lspci to see what your controller is and perhaps modprobe it and see what happens? or google it and see what the module is then modprobe it :)
[10:27] <zoro> .:21:25:27:. < zoro> any chance someone could help me out with some PXE problems?
[10:27] <SlicerDicer-> jcompton, I am just throwing ideas cause I have never dealt with anything other than onboard nvidia sound or audigy.... so I am just guessing sorry :/
[10:27] <Bill___> Newbie here-- how do I burn 5.04 onto a disc after I've downloaded it?
[10:28] <topyli> blablablabla: modconf is not in debian either anymore it seems. there's only a package for stable
[10:29] <anto9us> Bill___:  do you have cd burning software?
[10:29] <Bill___> yes
[10:29] <anto9us> Bill___: you need to tell it to burn an image and then point at the .iso file
[10:30] <topyli> blablablabla: the youngest bug filed against it is 1 yr 171 d old :(
[10:30] <jcompton> Slicer: lspci returns 0000:00:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs Ectiva EV1938
[10:30] <blablablabla> topyli: that's nothing new in debian ;-)
[10:30] <SlicerDicer-> hang on jcompton
[10:31] <topyli> blablablabla: hey, the oldest bug just turned 10 :)
[10:31] <Bill___> anto9us:  not to sound dumb about this, but I take it that's after I extract what I've downloaded from the ubuntu website?
[10:31] <jcompton> Slicer: And yes, I attempted to unmute everything in the terminal mixer, it appears I was successful.
[10:31] <jcompton> (but still no audio, it's just all unmuted.)
[10:31] <anto9us> Bill___: extract from the iso image? no, burn the iso
[10:31] <blablablabla> topyli: hm many open source projects don't turn 10 ... so it seems like a quite good program
[10:31] <SlicerDicer-> http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-Creative_Labs#matrix I dont see it listed in there jcompton :/
[10:32] <anto9us> Bill___: it's important to tell you software to burn an image and not just to write the file on a disc
[10:32] <topyli> blablablabla: no, the 10 year old bug not against modconf, it's an X bug or something
[10:32] <jcompton> Slicer: But it worked under the previous edition of Ubuntu...
[10:32] <jcompton> So, clearly, at some point this computer knew how to play audio in Linux. :)
[10:33] <tortho> Hi, where do i start/stop services under kde in ubuntu?
[10:33] <blablablabla> topyli: as long as its not release critical ... who cares ;-)
[10:34] <SlicerDicer-> jcompton, I dont know what to say  :/
[10:34] <SlicerDicer-> jcompton, brb I got to restart x
[10:34] <topyli> blablablabla: it's against twm. bug #725, submitted on 2 Apr 1995 :)
[10:35] <topyli> but twm seems to work fine =)
[10:36] <Razor-X> twm ;)
[10:36] <Razor-X> now that's a nice server ;)
[10:36] <Razor-X> I can't _stand_ TWM, it reminds me of errors I had on my first Linux distro
[10:37] <topyli> tortho: in kde, i guess you use konsole. but there's sysv-rc-conf too
[10:37] <topyli> tortho: which is an interactive console gui
[10:38] <Riddell> topyli: you can install ksysv
[10:38] <topyli> Razor-X: don't blame twm for *your* errors
[10:38] <Riddell> I havn't tried it
[10:38] <topyli> Riddell: oh. i haven't seen kde in years :)
[10:38] <topyli> now don't get me wrong. i don't actually use twm either :)
[10:39] <Riddell> not topyli then, tortho
[10:39] <Razor-X> topyli: yeah, but people have a tendancy to assosciate bad times with the things they were doing att hat time
[10:39] <Riddell> silly tab completion
[10:39] <Tyche> where is the file for the eth settings?
[10:39] <Razor-X> my favorite Window Managers are KDE and XFce
[10:40] <topyli> Razor-X: i know. afterstep was the default on RH-5.0, when i had my hard times. i wouldn't touch it now
[10:40] <Razor-X> yeah, heh
[10:40] <Lafitte-> anyone have problems connecting to vertain Ap's with Ubuntu ?
[10:41] <nqt> how can I turn off the noise in terminals?
[10:42] <Razor-X> noise?
[10:42] <nqt> yeah, it beeps at me
[10:42] <pfp> nqt: ~/.inputrc
[10:42] <tortho> topyli: i will download it for the konsole, but i cant find any place in kde to do it..
[10:42] <ubuntu__> pal
[10:43] <pfp> nqt: or /etc/inputrc, put 'set bell-style visible' there
[10:43] <Riddell> tortho: what are you looking for?
[10:43] <topyli> tortho: apt-get it in konsole :)
[10:43] <pfp> actually that affects bash (libreadline) but prolly does what you want
[10:43] <nqt> it still beeps at me when I backspace too much though
[10:44] <anto9us> Lafitte-: I've connected to 5 different models of AP with this laptop with no problems
[10:44] <pfp> did you log out & back in, or start a new shell
[10:44] <Lafitte-> anto9us,  i seem to have issues with connecting to certain ones
[10:44] <HiddenWolf> Guys, My partition table is fucked up, the harddisk is alive, but the filesystem is corrupt, it wont' recognise partitions anymore. Any idea how I can fix that
[10:44] <Lafitte-> anto9us,  dont get dhcp info  or something
[10:44] <Lafitte-> anto9us, but then i come ot my house    and it dhcp   instantly
[10:44] <tortho> Riddell: i'm looking for a nice GUI for starting/stoping and putting services to Auto.
[10:44] <anto9us> Lafitte-: maybe they're set to 54Mb only
[10:45] <topyli> tortho: actually, apt-get ksysv like Riddell said
[10:45] <Riddell> tortho: try ksysv
[10:45] <Lafitte-> anto9us,  you know     thats possible  and im B only
[10:45] <Lafitte-> anto9us,  never thought about that
[10:45] <anto9us> Lafitte-: I was caught out with one of them with that :)
[10:45] <nqt> pfp, both
[10:46] <HiddenWolf> Please, anyone, help me.
[10:46] <Lafitte-> anto9us, ill check that out
[10:46] <pfp> nqt: hmm, maybe you have set bell-style defined twice somewhere
[10:46] <Razor-X> HiddenWolf: do you care about the data that's on it already?
[10:46] <tortho> Thanks Riddell & topyli, Is it someone in here now wich uses kylix with hoary?
[10:47] <nqt> pfp, ah, got it- I just put it in ~/.inputrc, that worked.. thanks
[10:48] <HiddenWolf> Razor-X, yeah, it's my main harddisk, about 120gb of dearly loved data
[10:48] <DeadlyNightshade> hi guys
[10:48] <HiddenWolf> Razor-X, probably the mbr that's corrupt
[10:48] <DeadlyNightshade> ack, thats a bitch to sort HiddenWolf
[10:49] <topyli> HiddenWolf: do you have a live linux cd handy?
[10:49] <DeadlyNightshade> hi tatster
[10:49] <HiddenWolf> I tried using a windows-installcd to run fixmbr, then livecd and mount /dev/sda, but fdisk says that it can't find the disk
[10:49] <HiddenWolf> deadlynightshade, yeah
[10:49] <DeadlyNightshade> voice of experience, I keep trashing that
[10:50] <DeadlyNightshade> this may be a silly question, but can you use wireless straight off the bat with the latest ubuntu livecd?
[10:50] <topyli> HiddenWolf: no backups of the data?
[10:50] <tatster> hi - can someone tell me what I app I should use for connecting to serial device (cisco switch console connection) - something like Hyperterminal in Windows
[10:50] <pfp> minicom
[10:50] <HiddenWolf> topyli, old backups, and not all of it, not of my video/music collections, for instance
[10:50] <pfp> iirc
[10:50] <HiddenWolf> I *need to* get at that data
[10:50] <nqt> if cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp doesn't play any static, what else could it be?
[10:51] <shinu> my usb mouse suddenly stopped working
[10:51] <shinu> when i do a tail -f /var/log/messages and i plug it in, it says usbmouse : blacklisted
[10:51] <shinu> might this be the problem?
[10:52] <topyli> HiddenWolf: then you have to mount the disk one way or another. perhaps you should see if http://www.sysresccd.org/ can help
[10:52] <HiddenWolf> topyli, can you give me any pionters?
[10:54] <topyli> HiddenWolf: not really. i've never been into such a situation. perhaps your partition table is screwed, which could be repaired with much hard work
[10:54] <DeadlyNightshade> ignore previous question found something onsite
[10:54] <goldfish> em
[10:54] <shinu> i can move the mouse but not use the buttons... and the scroll
[10:54] <HiddenWolf> topyli, how is that possible?
[10:55] <phenotype> anyone feel like telling a noob how to install a program
[10:55] <topyli> HiddenWolf: you should have a copy of the table, or visit a filesystem guru :(
[10:55] <DeadlyNightshade> phenotype, I'd love to, but I dont know myself
[10:56] <LazySod> phenotype, try the synaptec package manager...
[10:56] <RuffianSoldier> Whats the best USB Wifi adapter to use with Ubuntu?
[10:56] <phenotype> in that case... is there a faq somewhere that i can read a FAQ
[10:56] <RuffianSoldier> Whats the best USB Wifi adapter to use with Ubuntu?
[10:56] <LazySod> phenotyp, there is a wiki... somewhere...
[10:56] <HiddenWolf> topyli, where would I be able to find help?
[10:57] <topyli> phenotype: there's basic information right at the ubuntu website
[10:57] <nickrud> phenotype, synaptic has a quick introduction under help
[10:57] <anto9us> RuffianSoldier: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[10:57] <phenotype> info dealing with .tar.gz
[10:57] <RuffianSoldier> ty
[10:57] <pfp> phenotype: did you try apt / synaptic already?
[10:58] <topyli> HiddenWolf: i'd go to usenet. perhaps comp.os.linux.misc for starters. or just pay somebody to help me
[10:58] <phenotype> na
[10:58] <HiddenWolf> topyli, any idea where I might find someone?
[10:58] <phenotype> where can i find that synaptic?
[10:58] <nickrud> phenotype, you probably won't need the tar.gz, what is it exactly?
[10:58] <pfp> phenotype: top menu-> system-administration-synaptic package mgr
[10:58] <phenotype> gftp
[10:58] <phenotype> thx pfp
[10:59] <topyli> HiddenWolf: not really. where are you on Earth?
[10:59] <nickrud> phenotype, gftp is available in universe
[10:59] <m4x> anyone here running dual flat-panel monitors in ubuntu?
[10:59] <phenotype> universe?
[10:59] <topyli> HiddenWolf: i mean, a big US city is luckier than eastern russia for example
[11:00] <lewiz> Hey -- where can I find out what changes were made with the new kernel update in Hoary?
[11:00] <lewiz> m4x: I am.
[11:00] <m4x> lewiz, any problems getting it setup?
[11:00] <tritium> lewiz, /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/changelog.Debian.gz
[11:00] <tritium> (for any package)
[11:00] <DeadlyNightshade> see you all later
[11:00] <nickrud> phenotype, it's a repository of software that you can install
[11:00] <phenotype> ok
[11:01] <lewiz> m4x: Depends how you mean.  What card/driver are you using?  I had no trouble with a Radeon 9200SE, Quadro 4 NVS280 or even the Matrox P650 (new driver).
[11:01] <pfp> phenotype: .. and the repositories are available through synaptic
[11:01] <lewiz> tritium: Thanks,
[11:01] <nqt> is there a reason for various critical system configurations being so backwards in debian-derived stuff?
[11:01] <phenotype> kk thansk
[11:01] <m4x> lewiz, nvidia card, using a cable splitter (not two cards)
[11:01] <nickrud> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats is the first place you want to visit
[11:01] <lewiz> m4x: Yeah, no trouble at all.  The nvidia driver is really easy to set up.
[11:01] <m4x> lewiz, justed wanted to make sure it was doable before wiping out FC3 :_
[11:02] <pfp> phenotype: also http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:02] <m4x> lewiz, ty for the info
[11:02] <tritium> nqt, care to elaborate?
[11:03] <phenotype> ok, found it in synaptic... whats the diffrence btw gftp-gtk and gftp-common?
[11:03] <lewiz> tritium: Damn.  And here was me hoping for an update to inotify :P
[11:03] <nqt> tritium, modifying bootup, even with rcconf is totally non-fun, what's up with /etc/defaults, the loopback device occasionally decides not to go up, and my sound isn't being very nice right now either
[11:03] <HiddenWolf> topyli, I'm in the Netherlands
[11:04] <pfp> phenotype: install the -gtk, that pulls -common along - you need both
[11:04] <phenotype> ko
[11:04] <phenotype> ok
[11:04] <nqt> the way gentoo is laid out is so logical... perhaps there's reasoning to deb-stuff?
[11:04] <topyli> HiddenWolf: that's pretty good. you will find specialists. but you don't want to pay their fees for your music and movies. i'd try usenet
[11:05] <HiddenWolf> topyli, At this moment, I just want a solution, and I don't care much about cost, so if you have any idea, please let me know
[11:05] <CarlK> HiddenWolf - hang on...
[11:06] <topyli> HiddenWolf: you want more local advice
[11:06] <phenotype> awesome, thanks everyone
[11:06] <CarlK> I am pretty sure there is a magic partition builder thingy
[11:06] <HiddenWolf> topyli, I want a years worth of university work, for starters. :S
[11:07] <HiddenWolf> topyli, and I want to get rid of the feeling that I'm about to get a heart-attack
[11:07] <topyli> HiddenWolf: oh, your own work. now i understand
[11:07] <eruin> is there a way to actually save your preferred resolution?
[11:07] <eruin> I keep getting 1600x1200 everytime I log in :/
[11:09] <HiddenWolf> topyli, it's everything, from email to work, 40 cd's ripped to .flac, and everything I ever downloaded and liked.
[11:09] <CarlK> HiddenWolf - http://linux-universe.com/HOWTO/LILO-crash-rescue-HOWTO/disk_partition_rescue.html
[11:09] <CarlK> good place to start
[11:09] <maccorin> hello
[11:10] <eruin> I have the feeling HiddenWolf has done something *bad* ? :o
[11:10] <HiddenWolf> CarlK, thanks
[11:10] <topyli> HiddenWolf: that's a lot to trust on a hard disk, forgive me for saying so right now :(
[11:10] <maccorin> has anyone used linux-wlan-ng on ubuntu?
[11:10] <HiddenWolf> topyli, this system is not even 2 months old, and it's a server-grade disk, was planning to go to raid as soon as I had the money
[11:11] <HiddenWolf> FYI, I'm now running on a 4-year old ide disk my gaming-winblows
[11:11] <anto9us> HiddenWolf: there are data recovery companies out there, they mostly charge a fortune and give no guarantees of any data being recovered. The trouble with someone inexperienced attempting it though is that it might do more harm than good.
[11:11] <topyli> HiddenWolf: raid doesn't solve the problem. what if the machine gets on fire?
[11:11] <eruin> lol
[11:11] <HiddenWolf> topyli, Then I hope to die with it
[11:12] <eruin> seriously though... don't you have your uni work at a uni server somewhere?
[11:12] <topyli> HiddenWolf: you need to keep copies on separate sides of town/country/globe
[11:12] <eruin> that's what I do to all my work anyway
[11:13] <eruin> topyli, what if the other side of the globe got struck by a tsunami ?
[11:13] <pfp> HiddenWolf: a good idea now probably would be backup the entire messed-up disk before repairing it, with dd if=/dev/hdx of=/dev/hdy
[11:13] <pfp> (in case you hadn't already)
[11:13] <topyli> eruin: the other side might be ok :)
[11:13] <eruin> topyli, that already burned ;)
[11:13] <HiddenWolf> pfp, I don't have ~120gb free, really. :S
[11:13] <pfp> :(
[11:14] <topyli> eruin: i'm happy enough keep two backups on different parts of town. if the whole city blows up, i probably don't care because i'm gone as well
[11:14] <anto9us> HiddenWolf: you have any techy colleagues at uni who might help?
[11:14] <HiddenWolf> anto9us, I might try
[11:15] <HiddenWolf> I'd just like to know what's going wrong
[11:15] <topyli> HiddenWolf: it would be best if you somehow, with somebody's help, could mount the freaking disk
[11:16] <HiddenWolf> I rebooted, got to grub, then got an error 17, put windows-cd in it, did fixmbr, mounted livecd, tried to 'fdisk /dev/sda', and got an error
[11:16] <HiddenWolf> windows installer doesn't see the disk
[11:16] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, loose sata plug?
[11:16] <HiddenWolf> I've now downloaded some windows recovery utility, and it sees the disk and it's partitions
[11:16] <Seveas> hmm
[11:16] <topyli> HiddenWolf: uhh... /dev/sda is not a partition
[11:16] <Seveas>  /dev/sda1 is the partition
[11:16] <pfp> HiddenWolf: does /proc/partitions have correct info (if you boot with the disk in a 2nd system)
[11:17] <HiddenWolf> topyli, fdisk /dev/hda does mount the disk
[11:17] <HiddenWolf> fdisk /dev/sda doesn't
[11:17] <Choubaka> mount?
[11:17] <HiddenWolf> I'm not talking mount, I'm using fdisk
[11:17] <CarlK> fdisk mounts?
[11:17] <Marble2> What's the simplest program out there to randomly select an image from a folder, and change my background to that random image every X minutes?
[11:17] <topyli> fdisk doesn't mount anything
[11:17] <HiddenWolf> Choubaka, no it doesn't, just a word I grabbed
[11:17] <Choubaka> :P
[11:18] <HiddenWolf> topyli, it is good that this utility can see the partition table, right?
[11:18] <topyli> HiddenWolf: fdisk -l /dev/sda (or hda) should show the partition table, and you'd be better off
[11:19] <HiddenWolf> topyli, my point is that fdisk /dev/sda gives an error, while fdisk /dev/hda does not
[11:19] <anto9us> Marble2: maybe cron and a shell script, I wouldn't be surprised if there's one out there waiting to be googled
[11:19] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, yes it is good that it sees them
[11:19] <topyli> HiddenWolf: out of my league, i've always had ide disks
[11:19] <Seveas> that means they are still there :)
[11:19] <HiddenWolf> Seveas, we can only hope
[11:20] <Seveas> but do the /proc/partitions trick
[11:20] <ivoks> Marble2: /dev/random
[11:20] <HiddenWolf> seveas, I'm concentrating on not getting a heartattack
[11:20] <ivoks> Marble2: or /dev/urandom
[11:20] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, don't worry
[11:21] <HiddenWolf> Seveas, I'd just like to figure out exactly what is wrong. If this tool can see the partition table, it should still be intact, right?
[11:21] <andrewski> where does someone go to get gnome help? :P  my custom-set keyboard shortcuts are not saving when i close nautilus; where are they stored?
[11:21] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, i'd guess
[11:21] <ivoks> Marble2: apt-get install chbg
[11:21] <Seveas> can't this tool mount or copy?
[11:22] <topyli> HiddenWolf: if your partition table is ok, you most likely have the partitions ok
[11:22] <Marble2> ty
[11:22] <HiddenWolf> topyli, so how do I figure if the table is ok? :)
[11:22] <topyli> HiddenWolf: well, fdisk lists it doesn't it?
[11:22] <CarlK> HiddenWolf - did you read that howto yet? ;)
[11:23] <HiddenWolf> CarlK, I'm trying, but it's too technical for me
[11:23] <topyli> andrewski: i'd go to #gnome on gimpnet
[11:23] <topyli> or here :)
[11:24] <CarlK> HiddenWolf - hitt
[11:24] <andrewski> topyli: yeah, but there's no help to be offered there.  (i'm already in that room.)
[11:24] <CarlK> HiddenWolf - hit "prev" a few times to get to the intro, or here: http://linux-universe.com/HOWTO/LILO-crash-rescue-HOWTO/introduction.html
[11:24] <andrewski> so hasn't anyone customised their nautilus keyboard shortcuts?
[11:24] <CarlK> read all of it, then ask more questions
[11:25] <topyli> andrewski: the shortcuts should be gconf's business, so that's what must be screwing them up
[11:26] <andrewski> topyli: does it need to be running, or does nautilus just write to my gconf dir (and which is that)?
[11:26] <topyli> andrewski: gconfd is run by gnome-session
[11:26] <andrewski> topyli: well, technically, i'm in Xfce. :)
[11:26] <topyli> ah
[11:26] <andrewski> topyli: but gconfd should be running?
[11:27] <topyli> andrewski: you can check. 'ps aux | grep gconf'
[11:27] <andrewski> topyli: gconfd-2 (two of them)
[11:28] <topyli> i wonder why two? i have two as well :)
[11:28] <tjl2> hello
[11:29] <tjl2> is anyone going to sit in on the general meeting?
[11:29] <topyli> andrewski: anyway, i don't actually use nautilus much so i haven't customized it
[11:29] <andrewski> topyli: could you try to see if you can confirm?
[11:29] <topyli> ok. what did you do?
[11:29] <anto9us> tjl2: what general meeting?
[11:30] <Seveas> CC meeting
[11:30] <andrewski> topyli: you know how to do that 'hover-mouse-over-menu-entry-and-press-desired-keyboard-shortcut-to-set' method?
[11:30] <wdh> Seveas, CC?
[11:30] <Seveas> at 22:00 UTC (in 30 minutes that is)
[11:30] <Seveas> Community Council
[11:30] <tjl2> the one in #ubuntu-meeting
[11:30] <topyli> andrewski: eh? :)
[11:31] <andrewski> topyli: oh, it's very cool (when it works, which is always but now :P).
[11:32] <tjl2> does anyone know what's happened to the old Gnome menu option where you could add a new item to the menu? it seems to have disappeared in the version shipped with Hoary
[11:32] <andrewski> topyli: just hover your mouse over a menu entry (let's try View | Side Pane) and press they key you want to set (or Delete to delete :P).
[11:32] <andrewski> i tried setting it to F4
[11:32] <topyli> ok
[11:32] <andrewski> which works until i close/reopen nautilus.
[11:32] <tjl2> i think you used to right-click and select 'Entire Menu'
[11:32] <nickrud> tjl2, it was removed from gnome 2.10, should be back for 2.12
[11:33] <tjl2> nickrud, cheers - i thought it seemd like a bit of a step back
[11:33] <tjl2> glad it's going to make a return
[11:33] <Seveas> tjl2, there is a nice menu editor though
[11:33] <Seveas> it's called smeg, you should poke Amaranth about it
[11:33] <nickrud> tjl2, they didn't like the way it was working, so it got cut
[11:34] <tjl2> oh, I've never spotted that
[11:34] <tjl2> 'smeg' is the name of the menu editor?
[11:34] <topyli> andrewski: actually, it stays at the default F9, doesn't set it to F4 to begin with
[11:34] <andrewski> smeg = Simple Menu Editor for Gnome
[11:34] <andrewski> topyli: oh, er...
[11:35] <tjl2> Red Dwarf references will haunt OS projects forever ;-)
[11:35] <andrewski> topyli: add 'gtk-can-change-accels = 1' to your ~/.gtkrc-2.0
[11:35] <topyli> ah
[11:35] <alwaysmodest> anyone have any troubles installing hoary on a ppc?
[11:35] <andrewski> topyli: try it out and let me know; in the meantime, i'm searching bugzilla.
[11:35] <topyli> yep
[11:36] <londonboi> Hi guys, I have just repartitioned my HD under debian, its all up and running fine except for this error message, "Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy" any ideas on the problem. I know this is sorta the wrong channel but the debian guys dont seem to answer ;) Thanks
[11:36] <cliebow_> anyone give me a default config for dhcpd.conf..network-admin just locks up
[11:37] <alwaysmodest> well i can get it to load up fine on my imac g3.... but when it comes to my beige g3...
[11:37] <alwaysmodest> so if anyone has an advice?
[11:38] <HiddenWolf> topyli, while I'm waiting to calm down, do you have any idea on how I can try to find out what exactly is wrong with my disk?
[11:38] <tarvid> is there a way to get ubuntu to redo hardware detection
[11:38] <Escipion> hi there
[11:38] <tjl2> hello
[11:39] <topyli> HiddenWolf: not really :(
[11:39] <tarvid> for example, i plugged in a dub-e100 USB Nic
[11:39] <tarvid> what would i do to get ubuntu to try and configure that?
[11:40] <andrewski> alwaysmodest: well, that isn't very modest!
[11:41] <Escipion> guys, I have a question : How can I make nautilus to not to pop-up a new window each time I click on a folder ? I just want to be on the same window all the time.
[11:41] <Escipion> I think this "feature" of opening new windows is called "espatial" nautilus
[11:41] <andrewski> Escipion: in gconf
[11:41] <Escipion> but I don't like it
[11:41] <andrewski> Escipion: many don't. :P
[11:41] <Escipion> andrewski : where is gconf ?
[11:42] <andrewski> Escipion: open gconf-editor
[11:42] <topyli> andrewski: it worked after i changed the value in gconf-editor
[11:42] <andrewski> topyli: which value? :)
[11:43] <Escipion> andrewski : just type "gconf-editor" into the run applet ?
[11:43] <topyli> andrewski: hold on, i forgot. i searched :)
[11:43] <andrewski> Escipion: go to apps/nautilus/preferences and set always_use_browser.
[11:43] <Escipion> andrewski : ok thanks
[11:43] <topyli> andrewski: /desktop/gnome/interface/can_change_accels
[11:44] <andrewski> topyli: damn, why is that hidden?!
[11:44] <topyli> andrewski: nah, didn't work after i killall'd nautilus :(
[11:44] <andrewski> topyli: wait, you mean you have the same problem?
[11:44] <topyli> this is a bug
[11:44] <wdh> now that we are discussing nautilus: when dragging a set of files from one nautilus window to another (e.g. copy), it starts with the last file instead of the first one. Anyone knows how to fix this?
[11:44] <topyli> andrewski: yes, it's a bug obviously
[11:45] <wdh> my mp3 player considers the file placed first as no.1 etc..
[11:45] <andrewski> topyli: ok, i'll post on bugzilla (there's nothing there ATM).  do you want me to post the link when i'm done?
[11:45] <topyli> yeah, i want to see how progress goes :)
[11:45] <Escipion> wdh : indeed... annoying behaviour ... but in windows it's like that I think
[11:45] <andrewski> topyli: ok, brb.
[11:45] <andrewski> Escipion: is it?
[11:45] <Escipion> andrewski : I think it is, isn't it ?
[11:46] <andrewski> Escipion: maybe it's configurable; i certainly never had it like that.
[11:46] <wdh> Escipion, i dont care about how it is in windows
[11:46] <dave_> I find it annoying Openoffice.org 2.0 comes with GCC 4.0
[11:46] <wdh> Escipion, just want it to start with the first file
[11:46] <DenisG> hello everybody
[11:46] <Escipion> wdh : no idea sorry
[11:46] <LazySod> hi
[11:46] <LazySod> bye
[11:46] <alwaysmodest> hey wdh
[11:46] <andrewski> wdh: i always selected the last file first.
[11:46] <dave_> This makes it nigh on impossible to get both VMWare and my ATI (fglrx) working.
[11:47] <DenisG> i'd like to install ubuntu onto a harddisk i connected temporarily to my computer
[11:47] <andrewski> wdh: dumb workaround, but it is like that in windows also.
[11:47] <DenisG> how do i do that?
[11:47] <dave_> Ok, DenisG .
[11:47] <andrewski> Escipion: didn't realize you were talking to wdh there. :P
[11:47] <dave_> DenisG, what kind of drive?
[11:47] <Escipion> andrewski : no prob
[11:47] <DenisG> a simple ide drive
[11:47] <dave_> Hmmm, i.e. hdb?
[11:47] <moyogo> hi daniels
[11:48] <DenisG> with gentoo i would simply untar a stagefile into the disk
[11:48] <DenisG> yes @dave
[11:48] <andrewski> topyli: is there another way to change shortcuts?
[11:48] <wdh> andrewski, what exactly do you mean?
[11:48] <dave_> DenisG, your best bet is to remove the original drive and connect the temp only so it is hda. At a new computer, the boot loader will point at a kernel at /dev/hdaX.
[11:49] <wdh> select them one by one and then copy the whole lot?
[11:49] <andrewski> wdh: select file 10, shift+click on file 1, then drag.
[11:49] <DenisG> mh.
[11:49] <DenisG> i don't want to do that. Isn't there any other option?
[11:49] <dave_> You can also edit the grub config file, of course, to always point to /dev/hda (or make a new entry with hda and hdb in there)
[11:49] <dave_> The latter would be what I'd do.
[11:49] <DenisG> yeah, that sounds good.
[11:49] <topyli> andrewski: no obvious way for nautilus that i know of
[11:49] <DenisG> but how do i start the installer?
[11:49] <Escipion> for all you to know : I love GRUB
[11:50] <Escipion> :P
[11:50] <andrewski> topyli: ok.
[11:50] <DenisG> i got an installation iso, and mounted it via a loopback device
[11:50] <Escipion> DenisG : can't you boot with the installation CD ?
[11:50] <DenisG> sure, i could do that.
[11:50] <Escipion> DenisG : that should be the "standard" way of installing ubuntu
[11:50] <DenisG> but then i had to turn off this computer :/
[11:51] <dave_> DenisG, just boot off the cd.
[11:51] <dave_> When the menu comes up, press enter
[11:51] <topyli> andrewski: nautilus is buggy otherwise too. choose single click mode, take a list view of a folder, select all files with ctrl-a and there's no way to unselect a few
[11:51] <Escipion> DenisG : you are going to shutdown the computer anyway if you want to boot into ubuntu
[11:51] <DenisG> mh. it's somewhat more complicated.
[11:51] <andrewski> topyli: can't wait for xfce's thunar! :)
[11:51] <topyli> heh
[11:51] <saber_> Anyone ever get this error before with transcode:       tc_memcpy: using mmx for memcpy   (extract_mpeg2.c) missing start code at 0    (extract_mpeg2.c) incorrect zero-byte padding detected - ignored                   ???
[11:51] <andrewski> topyli: not to knock nautilus or anything.
[11:52] <DenisG> i not only don't want to turn off this computer because of the music, but also because the second hd, where i want to install ubuntu, needs special treatment
[11:52] <topyli> andrewski: oh no, it's great. just buggy right now
[11:52] <DenisG> it is encrypted with LUKS and dm-crypt
[11:53] <saber_> is that for me, denisg?
[11:53] <Escipion> bye bye
[11:53] <wdh> andrewski, workaround doesnt work
[11:53] <DenisG> sure, i could install it on a not encrypted hard disk, then create the encrypted partitions and copy everything back, but that would be lame.
[11:53] <DenisG> saber_: uhm, if you can tell me what to do, sure, why not.
[11:53] <andrewski> wdh: ok, wasn't sure if it would.  i'd file a bug.  topyli's been saying there are other such bugs when using multiple files.
[11:54] <james_harwood> hello
[11:54] <james_harwood> how can i canel my order for free ubuntu cds?
[11:55] <m4x> lewiz, u still there?
[11:55] <alwaysmodest> james_harwood i wouldn't worry about that
[11:55] <james_harwood> ok
[11:55] <andrewski> topyli: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=305372 and i'm out.
[11:55] <andrewski> later!
[11:55] <james_harwood> its just a waste
[11:55] <alwaysmodest> i'm just saying you wont be losing money
[11:55] <topyli> andrewski: thanks
[11:55] <CarlK> james_harwood - um, it probably would be better to give them to someone
[11:55] <alwaysmodest> yeah well give them away james_harwood
[11:55] <james_harwood> yeah
[11:55] <andrewski> topyli: np
[11:56] <james_harwood> cherrs
[11:56] <nickrud> james_harwood, the library is a good place
[11:56] <CarlK> but your consideration is appreicated
[11:56] <LinuxJones> james_harwood, you don't like ubuntu ?
[11:56] <james_harwood> no
[11:56] <LinuxJones> ahh
[11:56] <james_harwood> i already got mandrake
[11:56] <DenisG> *g*
[11:56] <dave_> Hmmm, Mandrake used to be good.
[11:57] <nickrud> huh, it kept me in the game
[11:57] <alwaysmodest> dave_ you know what i liked about mandrake? donwloading 50 isos and paying for them
[11:57] <topyli> bah
[11:57] <dave_> I never paid for Drake, just installed the free version, then supplemented it with easy urpmi.
[11:57] <dave_> But RPM is not as good as Apt, I think.
[11:58] <topyli> mandrake is, or at least used to be, a great distro for years for me
[11:58] <gorthaug> hi
[11:58] <mako> community council meeting in a few minutes in #ubuntu-meeting
[11:59] <gorthaug> one cuestion
[11:59] <alwaysmodest> i've only used mandrake, or any linux for desktop/experimentation purposes
[11:59] <topyli> mako: who's welcome?
[12:00] <mako> topyli: everyone


[20:27] <janolap1> Hi, I'm wondering : how can I uninstall blender without uninstalling ubuntustudio-graphics ?
[20:30] <len-dt> I'm not sure janolap1 is there a problem it causes by being on the disk?
[20:33] <janolap1> len-dt : sorry, I don't understand your question. I'm using ubuntu-studio on a live usb with persistent disk. I would like to uninstall some applications, but if I want to uninstall a video application, it asks me to uninstall ubuntustudio-video, etc.
[20:34] <janolap1> I don't know if it will uninstall every video application with ubuntustudio-video for example.
[20:37] <len-dt> Ah, I think I see where you are heading. Ok, I think if it says it wants to uninstall ubuntustudio-video it will try to do that.
[20:37] <len-dt> janolap1, however, because you are running live it will not actually take it off the dvd/usbstick
[20:38] <len-dt> The live DVD does not load all the dvd into memory.
[20:38] <len-dt> It runs the software directly off the DVD
[20:40] <janolap1> len-dt : ok, thanx for this answer.
[20:40] <janolap1> Is there a package for ingen ? http://drobilla.net/software/ingen/
[20:41] <janolap1> or does anyone using it ?
[20:42] <len-dt> You are asking the wrong person :-( It looks a lot like patchage
[20:43] <janolap1> yes, but it's a modular synth.
[20:44] <len-dt> I see that. unfortunately it is not in the ubuntu repos.
[20:44] <janolap1> is there a modular synth in ubuntustudio
[20:45] <len-dt> I am pretty new  to a lot of these apps...
[20:45] <len-dt> I am not sure what you mean by modular There are a few apps that load either dssi or lv2 synths though
[20:47] <len-dt> zynjacku (in the wrong menu spot just now), the one for dssi is a cli thing. but qtracker loads both as well.
[20:49] <len-dt> gotta go eat...
[20:50] <janolap1> len-dt : ok
[20:50] <janolap1> Trying ams