[00:27] <kimba1964> hello. Kimba in Northern california here
[00:27] <kimba1964> I want to ask if kubunto has the same dual-boot install support package that ubuntu does?
[00:37] <valorie> kimba1964: dual boot with windows, you mean?
[00:38] <valorie> our install screens look somewhat different, but we're all ubuntu underneath, no matter what desktop or applications you run
[00:38] <kimba1964> yes, dual-boot on a system which already has a Windows7 environment. I understand Ubuntu has a resize format function and works fairly well with most systems.
[00:39] <kimba1964> There is nothing vital on that pc, so its not really any risk.
[00:39] <valorie> yep, if there is windows on a laptop I always keep it for purposes of testing
[00:40] <valorie> since KDE applications usually run on windows
[00:40] <kimba1964> yeah, i need something with kde or gnome
[00:40] <valorie> in, I should say
[00:41] <valorie> IMO if you want gnome, then install gnomebuntu
[00:41] <kimba1964> (on my laptop, currently using pre-release of Windows10)
[00:41] <valorie> if you want kubuntu, install that
[00:41] <valorie> not install ubuntu + desktop, unless you do ubuntu-server + desktop
[00:42] <valorie> of course it is fine to do that if you want to run unity sometimes as well
[00:42] <valorie> just a lot of extra time uninstalling stuff if you don't
[00:43] <kimba1964> is the current native desktop kde?
[00:43] <valorie> kubuntu is KDE on ubuntu base, yes
[00:44] <valorie> Ubuntu's native desktop is now Unity, which started out based on Gnome
[00:44] <valorie> but it now it's own thing
[00:45] <valorie> its
[00:47] <kimba1964> and i guess Mint comes in many different flavors as well. Did my first couple linux boxes yesterday....my kids were running a movie on one monitor and playing a game on the second....in minutes. Only two gigs ram. wow.
[00:48] <kimba1964> running a movie using a live os....failed as expected, but it tried to do it.
[00:49] <kimba1964> so, the built in software library will vary depending on the distro, right? only shows likely compatible apps?
[00:51] <valorie> mint is a derivitive of ubuntu, yes, with some of the same flavors
[00:52] <valorie> all the apps are 'compatible'
[00:52] <valorie> but yes, each desktop comes with their own favored selection
[00:52] <valorie> in kubuntu we try to choose the "best" even if that isn't KDE's offering
[00:52] <valorie> such as firefox and libreoffice
[00:53] <valorie> oops, dinner time.... have fun installing, kimba1964
[00:53] <valorie> and it was nice meeting you
[00:53] <kimba1964> cool.. Thanks Valorie. Which do you prefer......gnome or kde?
[00:53] <kimba1964> k. thanks
[00:53] <valorie> KDE all the way
[00:54] <kimba1964> right on. have some great chow
[00:54] <valorie> gnome people are nice, but I do not like their design choices or apps
[00:54] <kimba1964> lol
[00:54] <valorie> it's just tools, though, not religion!
[00:54] <kimba1964> tools+toys
[00:59] <kimba1964> are there kubuntu disc label downloads on the site?
[01:06] <kimba1964> Thank You, forum for your assistance and advice. Have a good tomorrow!
[01:57] <valorie> hmmmm, disc labels is an interesting idea
[02:20] <kass> hi
[02:20] <valorie> hello kass, how can we help?
[02:22] <kass_> thank you valorie , just I am new here .
[02:22] <valorie> cool, welcome
[02:22] <valorie> hang out here and you'll learn all kinds of stuff
[02:22] <valorie> I still learn new things almost every day
[02:24] <kass_> good , I like that :)
[02:28] <kass_> ,yttt777
[05:06] <gioans> hello
[07:31] <soee> good morning
[08:35] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:40] <alvin> :-( calibre-bin : Depends: qtbase-abi-5-3-0 which is a virtual package.
[08:40] <alvin> I upgraded to plasma 5.2
[08:43] <valorie> alvin: I just did as well
[08:43] <valorie> please report that bug; or perhaps drop a note to Kubuntu-devel list
[08:44] <valorie> sounds like a packaging problem
[08:45] <alvin> I would, but it's a calibre version from my own PPA. Can someone test this with the usual Calibre version: sudo apt install -s calibre
[08:45] <alvin> If that command also complains about dependencies, the bug is valid
[08:46] <valorie> alvin: what is the -s for?
[08:46] <alvin> simulate
[08:46] <valorie> ah, ok
[08:46] <alvin> It doesn't actually install then.
[08:49] <valorie> alvin: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9932940/
[08:50] <valorie> silly me, I have calibre installed
[08:51] <valorie> if that makes any difference
[08:51] <alvin> valorie: At first sight, my bug is not valid and the cause is my own packaging. On the other hand, why would your apt tell you that 270 packages are not fully installed
[08:51] <alvin> Yes, you do. And that's good. I did, but the upgrade to plasma 5.2 removed it.
[08:51] <valorie> hmmm, I guess I should check
[08:52] <alvin> I'm going to find some documentation about downgrading a specific package. I don't want to remove it from my PPA. Other, KDE4 based machines can use that version just fine.
[08:53] <valorie> yes, there was a kwin problem earlier
[08:53] <valorie> I assume that is the bit that wasn't installed completely
[08:53] <valorie> everything seems to be working fine though
[08:56] <alvin> In cases like that, I try running apt install It often finds conflicts
[08:57] <alvin> In the meantime, I tried installing the older Calibre. That works, so I won't file a bug. It wouldn't be valid :-(
[08:57] <valorie> I tried installing it, but it was reported that it was already the latest version, then installed a bunch of other stuff!
[08:57] <valorie> but calibre core-dumped when I tried to start it up
[08:58] <alvin> Oh?
[08:58] <alvin> Well, it is Qt-based, and the Qt version has certainly changed.
[08:58] <valorie> I wish it was a KDE applicatin
[09:01] <alvin> Yes, that would be fine. I don't think the developer wants that though. Otherwise, he's very active. Every friday a new version. And it's a mighty fine piece of software.
[09:04] <alvin> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=336089 is still valid. No font previews for me.
[09:05] <alvin> and Bluetooth doesn't work anymore.
[09:10] <valorie> hmmm, I don't know how to test that
[09:15] <alvin> I have a bluetooth headset. Now it's easy to test. When I start that new Bluedevil, it just says that no bluetooth adapter can be found.
[10:53] <Walex> alvin: that's usually a system issue, not a KDE issue. try using the 'hciconfig' and 'hcitool' commands to double check
[10:54] <alvin> Walex: Thanks. Well, those tools do find the bluetooth device.
[10:54] <alvin> Before the upgrade, bluetooth worked.
[10:55] <Walex> alvin:  if you know better...
[10:56] <alvin> I do. The adapter is visible, but not for the new bluedevil.
[11:23] <drawkward> how do i fix a broken system? i upgraded from kubuntu 14.04 to 14.10
[11:23] <drawkward> there is a red cross on the bottom right corner of the screen
[11:24] <drawkward> plus while booting up i get a broken pipe error
[11:24] <alvin> Is the upgrade complete?
[11:25] <drawkward> yes
[11:26] <drawkward> i cannot get qt creator to start on my system. when i try installing it from muon, it just says qt creator starting, but never starts.
[11:27] <alvin> drawkward: What happens when you start it from the command line?
[11:29] <drawkward> alvin: it shows that it is not installed. but muon  cant seem to install it
[11:31] <alvin> I never use Muon. I don't manage to get it to show all available packages. Well, it has been a long time ago. Does the output of sudo apt install look normal to you? (It shouldn't actually want to install anything)
[11:31] <alvin> Maybe apt will warn you of some missing or unconfigured packages
[12:05] <martasbncz> ..brej prej den :-)
[12:07] <martasbncz> +mluví tu někdo česky ?
[12:09] <hateball> !cz | martasbncz
[12:10] <martasbncz> ok ubottu
[12:14] <18VAB3OR1> ubottu dzenki :D ja nie wiem mamy jedzik slawic tutaj (i know polish isn't czech, but hey!) :D :D
[12:20] <soee> !pl | wook
[12:23] <drawkward> how do i install all dependencies for a package? my qtcreator seems broken
[12:24] <lordievader> drawkward: Apt should take care of that. Why do you think it is a depency problem?
[12:25] <drawkward> this is what i get when i type sudo apt-get install qtcreator
[12:25] <lordievader> !paste | drawkward
[12:25] <drawkward> qtcreator : Depends: qtbase-abi-5-3-0
[12:25] <drawkward>              Depends: qtdeclarative-abi-5-3-0
[12:25] <drawkward>              Recommends: qmlscene
[12:25] <drawkward>              Recommends: qtcreator-doc but it is not going to be installed
[12:25] <drawkward>              Recommends: qtcreator-plugin-cmake but it is not going to be installed
[12:25] <drawkward>              Recommends: qtcreator-plugin-remotelinux but it is not going to be installed
[12:25] <unopaste> drawkward you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[12:25] <alvin> Oh, look at that. drawkward, did you upgrade to plasma 5.2 using the next-backports PPA?
[12:26] <drawkward> oops sorry, will use the pastebin next time.
[12:26] <alvin> Not that it should be impossible. I have qtcreator installed and I'm using the backports.
[12:27] <drawkward> alvin: how do i resolve it?
[12:27] <alvin> I didn't. I have the same error as you have. The missing qtbase-abi. But it's on a custom build Calibre package.
[12:27] <lordievader> Recommends != depends, looks to me like everything is fine.
[12:28] <alvin> drawkward: Try fixing it by running apt update, apt full-upgrade and (careful here) apt install
[12:28] <lordievader> Unless I am missing things...
[12:28] <alvin> lordievader: Yes, it says 'depends' :-)
[12:28] <lordievader> alvin: Yes, but from what I see it doesn't mention that those packages cannot be installed.
[12:28] <alvin> He pastes this line: <drawkward> qtcreator : Depends: qtbase-abi-5-3-0
[12:29] <alvin> Ah, but that package is virtual. I tried to install it, but it wasn't available
[12:29] <drawkward> yes
[12:29] <drawkward> it is virtual
[12:29] <drawkward> what does virtual mean exactly?
[12:30] <alvin> As far as I know: that it points to another package, but is not really a package itself. It is used when names change, or for example default-jre, which will always point to a certain Java version.
[12:30] <drawkward> i see.
[12:30] <alvin> So, if you install default-jre, and the packagers decide that another Java should be default, you'll get the new one.
[12:31] <drawkward> so is there no way i can resolve this?
[12:31] <lordievader> drawkward: What do you get when you try to install the package?
[12:32] <drawkward> lordievader: which package are you talking about?
[12:32] <lordievader> drawkward: Err, lets start with the beginning as I get the feeling I'm missing something: sudo apt-get install qtcreator
[12:33] <drawkward> when i type sudo apt-get install qtcreator i get http://paste.ubuntu.com/9936181/
[12:34] <lordievader> drawkward: That is not the full output.
[12:34] <drawkward> it says E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. on the last line
[12:35] <lordievader> drawkward: Not in your paste, please post the full output.
[12:36] <drawkward> lordievader: check http://paste.ubuntu.com/9936185/
[12:37] <drawkward> lordievader: i also tried sudo aptitude install qtcreator
[12:37] <lordievader> drawkward: sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends qtcreator
[12:39] <drawkward> lordievader: i get this http://paste.ubuntu.com/9936219/
[12:39] <lordievader> drawkward: Ok, what happens when you try to install qtbase-abi-5-3-0?
[12:40] <drawkward> lordievader: it says it is a virtual package
[12:40] <lordievader> drawkward: Can I see the full output?
[12:41] <drawkward> lordievader: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9936274/
[12:42] <lordievader> drawkward: What is the output of 'apt-cache policy libqt5core5a'?
[12:43] <drawkward> lordievader: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9936298/
[12:45] <lordievader> drawkward: Where is qtcreator coming from: apt-cache polict qtcreator?
[12:45] <lordievader> policy*
[12:46] <drawkward> lordievader: it comes from http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ utopic/universe amd64 Packages
[12:47] <drawkward> lordievader: to give you a background i am trying to get started developing on kstars. so i added a few PPAs, and git cloned the source. would the PPAs have caused this problem?
[12:48] <lordievader> As I figured, qtcreator wants qt 5.3, while you have the kubuntu-ci ppa enables supplying qt 5.4.
[12:48] <lordievader> ppa-purge the kubuntu-ci ppa and you should be fine.
[12:48] <r_rios> Hello. I updated to Plasma 5.2 yesterday and, for some reason, kded5 is using 100% of one cpu the whole time. How can I diagnose this?
[12:48] <drawkward> lordievader: how do i do that?
[12:49] <lordievader> drawkward: Scroll down to 'How to purge a PPA': http://www.webupd8.org/2012/02/how-to-use-launchpad-ppa-add-remove.html
[12:55] <drawkward> lordievader: i did this sudo ppa-purge ppa:http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ci/unstable-daily/ubuntu/ utopic/main
[12:55] <drawkward> lordievader: am i correct?
[12:56] <lordievader> drawkward: No, that is not the ppa name.
[12:56] <drawkward> lordievader: what should i be writing there?
[12:56] <lordievader> drawkward: sudo ppa-purge ppa:kubuntu-ci/unstable-daily
[12:58] <drawkward> lordievader: thanks. its downloading new packages.
[12:58] <drawkward> lordievader: can you explain what this did exactly?
[12:59] <lordievader> drawkward: Remove/downgrade any of the packages from the ppa. And then remove the ppa itself.
[13:00] <drawkward> lordievader: did the unstable daily version cause the problem?
[13:00] <lordievader> Yes and no, if you would find a version of qtcreator compiled against libqt5core v5.4 you would have no problem.
[13:01] <drawkward> thanks for helping me out and explaining it to me! :)
[13:01] <alvin> So, all Qt packages should be added to the backports-next ppa?
[13:02] <lordievader> alvin: ?
[13:02] <lordievader> Besides it is kubuntu-ci ;)
[13:03] <alvin> Yes. I'm missing the same dependency for Calibre. But, ok. That's entirely my fault. I'll leave it alone and wait for a few months. I still keep my netbook on KDE4 and there are no troubles at all.
[13:03] <alvin> Besides, breeze is not fit for netbooks. Too much whitespace
[13:04] <lordievader> Kubuntu-ci covers the plasma desktop and its dependecies mostly.
[13:05] <soee> alvin: whitespace ?
[13:06] <alvin> Yes, take Quassel for example (IRC client). The list of channnels doesn't fit on my screen in plasma5, while it does on KDE4. And the resolution is larger on my Plasma5 machine.
[13:06] <soee> huh ?
[13:07] <soee> adjust dpi :)
[13:08] <alvin> Then the characters will be too small. It really is whitespace.  I can of course change the theme too.
[13:09] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:10] <drawkward> lordievader: will i need to run apt-get update once this finishes?
[13:10] <lordievader> drawkward: Yes.
[13:11] <drawkward> lordievader: and then qtcreator should install right? 5.3.0?
[13:12] <lordievader> Supposedly, else feel free to ping me ;)
[13:12] <drawkward> thanks a lot!
[13:26] <Qwery> Hey guys I have bit of a problem. Black color appears as red on my screen. If I connect it to the TV via HDMI, it appears normal on the TV. I used to tilt the laptop screen to fix it but that doesn't work anymore. Is there a program or anything else that I can use which will make black appear as dark grey?
[13:47] <lordievader> Qwery: Sounds like a broken cable.
[13:55] <Qwery> Yes, I believe it is a hardware problem but the laptop is 5 years old which I use now and then so I don't want to pay to fix it. However, I was wondering if it could be fixed with a piece of software. It only happens to black colors and nothing else.
[14:38] <nine_9> hey guys, I'm using 14.04lts but I would like to update some specific packages to the latest ones available in the normal release, i have selected 'normal releases' on software sources but it didn't work...
[14:38] <nine_9> any ideas?
[14:39] <lordievader> nine_9: Add those releases to your sources and give it a low priority.
[14:40] <nine_9> lordievader: you mean, editing the 'sources' text file directly?
[14:40] <lordievader> nine_9: Actually put them in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[14:52] <designbybeck__> If I want to install KDE on my Ubuntu 14.04 setup, I see kubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-full what is the difference
[14:53] <soee> !kubuntu-full
[14:53] <lordievader> designbybeck__: One is just the desktop, the other is the full KDE suite.
[14:54] <designbybeck__> hmmm is the suite not the desktop lordievader ?
[14:54] <lordievader> designbybeck__: It includes the desktop, but also a lot more.
[14:55] <dewar> hello. i have recoll installed, can anyone help me with memi types?
[14:55] <designbybeck__> as far as "a lot more" ...does that mean it will work as expected... or just that there are more productivity tools
[14:58] <lordievader> designbybeck__: http://packages.ubuntu.com/utopic/kubuntu-full vs http://packages.ubuntu.com/utopic/kubuntu-desktop
[14:58] <designbybeck__> ah, thank you lordievader
[15:04] <pdaga> How do i fix dependencies such as Depends: kdelibs-bin (= 4:4.14.1-0ubuntu1) but 4:4.14.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.04~ppa1 is to be installed?
[16:00] <xmorph> hi, is kubuntu with plasma 5 stable enough for everyday use ?
[16:22] <F03SD> hiya gyus
[16:23] <BluesKaj> hey F03SD
[16:25] <F03SD> @BluesKaj do u know how to solvie X crash on newer video cards (Nvidia)
[16:26] <BluesKaj> which nvidia card, F03SD ?
[16:27] <F03SD> @BluesKaj GTX 970
[16:32] <BluesKaj> F03SD, @ isn't necessary on irc,  nvidia-331 driver ?
[16:33] <drawkward> can anyone help me out with https://paste.kde.org/pexd8pmae
[16:35] <lordievader> drawkward: Now you have the reverse of what you earlier had...
[16:36] <drawkward> lordievader: yes i rolled back to my previous install. those PPAs created a lot of troubles
[16:37] <drawkward> lordievader: how do i fix it?
[16:37] <F03SD> @BluesKaj well,ty. I solved problem with gdm e.g purge gdm and reinstal this
[16:37] <F03SD> txh
[16:38] <lordievader> drawkward: Where is kstars-bleeding coming from?
[16:38] <drawkward> lordievader: is there a way to check it?
[16:39] <lordievader> drawkward: apt-cache policy <package>
[16:39] <drawkward> lordievader: it comes from http://ppa.launchpad.net/mutlaqja/ppa/ubuntu/ utopic/main
[16:41] <drawkward> lordievader: i have done this sudo apt-add-repository ppa:mutlaqja/ppa
[16:41] <lordievader> Another ppa, how lovely..
[16:42] <lordievader> This is the reason I dislike ppa's so much.
[16:42] <drawkward> lordievader: without this PPA i cannot get started with KStars
[16:43] <drawkward> lordievader: i added the kubuntu-ci/unstable-daily PPA last time and it worked. but after that qtcreator stopped working. so i am a little worried about that
[16:44] <lordievader> drawkward: Find a kstars that is compiled against your version of libqt.
[16:44] <drawkward> lordievader: the developers in kstars want me to have the latest version to get started
[16:47] <lordievader> drawkward: Then make sure your other applications are compiled against the same version of the libqt5core.
[16:49] <graft> hey folks, i just installed 14.10 on a new laptop and have been having issues with Xorg locking up (mouse can move, but screen doesn't update) when I close/open the lid
[16:49] <graft> anyone had this experience?
[16:50] <drawkward> lordievader: thanks. i will make sure about that.
[16:51] <BluesKaj> graft, you've updated and upgraded since the install?
[16:55] <graft> BluesKaj: yeah, up-to-date
[16:56] <graft> running 3.16.0-29
[17:09] <BlaXpirit> Is there any LiveCD with Plasma 5.2?
[17:10] <BlaXpirit> sucks that Alpha 2 was released before Plasma 5.2, but I can still hope that maybe  5.2 was included with it anyway?
[17:14] <rberg_> I would start by looking at the daily vivid iso.. I dont know if 5.2 is there or not..
[17:18] <BlaXpirit> daily, huh
[17:18] <BlaXpirit> forgot about those
[17:19] <BlaXpirit> would appreciate if someone told be when Plasma 5.2 will be in Kubuntu daily
[17:23] <MoonUnit`> nice, window control disappeared in the latest kubuntu vivd updates, glad it only on a VM.
[17:24] <BlaXpirit> really want to try if my graphics card will withstand it
[17:24] <MoonUnit`> hmm "The shared library was not found" error.
[17:30] <BlaXpirit> I think it's safe to assume that tomorrow's daily will have plasma 5.2
[17:31] <BluesKaj> BlaXpirit, there's Kubuntu 15.04 with plasma 5.2 as default if you feel adventurous
[17:31] <BlaXpirit> BluesKaj, I want a LiveCD with 5.2 preinstalled
[17:31] <BlaXpirit> there is no such thing as Kubuntu 15.04,  just snapshots of it
[17:31] <BlaXpirit> and relevant snapshots is what i'm looking for
[17:33] <BluesKaj> BlaXpirit, if you call this a snapshot http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[17:33] <BlaXpirit> build, snapshot, whatever
[17:37]  * BluesKaj shrugs well, it runs fine on my laptop, after installing off a live dvd
[17:46] <BlaXpirit> BluesKaj, do you not understand what I want
[17:46] <BlaXpirit> I am not stating any problems
[17:46] <BlaXpirit> > I want a LiveCD with 5.2 preinstalled
[17:46] <rberg_> so try the latest nightly?
[17:48] <BluesKaj> yes, but it's not a big deal to upgrade to 5.2 , BlaXpirit if it's not on the live media, unless you're just testing then you'll just have to wait
[17:48] <BlaXpirit> BluesKaj, the whole point is I can't upgrade a LiveCD to 5.2
[17:49] <BlaXpirit> rberg_, [:18:32] <BlaXpirit> would appreciate if someone told be when Plasma 5.2 will be in Kubuntu daily
[17:49] <BluesKaj> yeah , like I said, you'll just have to wait
[17:50] <BlaXpirit> it is quite tedious to try a build/nightly/snapshot if I can't be sure 5.2 is in it yet
[17:51] <BluesKaj> I asked in #kubuntu-devel about 5.2 as default in 15.04...no reply yet.
[17:51] <BlaXpirit> i thought it was announced that Kubuntu 15.04 would use Plasma 5
[17:51] <BlaXpirit> just that Kubuntu Alpha 2 was released before Plasma 5.2
[17:52] <BlaXpirit> also, I looked at ubuntu vivid packages
[17:52] <BlaXpirit> and plasma is at 5.2 already
[17:54] <BluesKaj> apparently the 5.2 packages are in the proposed repos today
[17:56] <BlaXpirit> not clear to me what this means
[17:57] <BluesKaj> dunno how long it takes for the packages to arrive in the daily images, could be tomorrow even, BlaXpirit
[17:57] <BlaXpirit> could be
[17:58] <BluesKaj> BlaXpirit, now one of the devs says the packages might already be in the daily
[17:59] <BlaXpirit> OK, thank you
[17:59] <BlaXpirit> [:29:42] <BlaXpirit> I think it's safe to assume that tomorrow's daily will have plasma 5.2
[18:03] <BluesKaj> I'm sticking with 14.10 and plasma 4 on this desktop , since the desktop themes and colours are still pretty minimal and VDs aren't distiguishable by optional backgrounds etc. My laptop 15.04  install is strictly for testing
[18:21] <Seth-666> buna seara
[18:22] <Seth-666> e careva pe aici k as vrea sa pun cateva intrebari unui alt utilizator de ubuntu....
[18:29] <BluesKaj> !ro | Seth-666
[18:32] <Seth-666> si aici ce se discuta?
[18:33] <Seth-666> e irc de forum si se discuta de fashin tv
[18:33] <Seth-666> ?
[18:33] <Seth-666> *ubuntu
[18:33] <Seth-666> mai exact versionea KUBUNTU ~
[18:33] <Seth-666> k are KDE
[18:34] <Seth-666> despre asta vorbesc
[18:34] <BluesKaj> Seth-666, /j #ubuntu-ro
[18:34] <lordievader> Seth-666: Or speak English here.
[18:36] <lordievader> !pm | Seth-666
[18:36] <BluesKaj> guess he can't read romanian either
[18:47] <Seth-666> can anybody tell me ... i like the kubuntu ... but when i make a copy/shortcute on my desktop of a simple file office , after a restart it it give me a error
[18:48] <Seth-666> something like it dosen t have a path
[18:48] <Seth-666> the tiile is (plasma shell ...)
[18:53] <Seth-666> hello ?
[18:53] <Seth-666> a little help ?
[19:42] <vegaonee> Okay, I need some installation help. I get a kernel panic after the Who are you? window during the installation. The moment I click next.
[19:43] <vegaonee> Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt. Kernel offset... drm_kms_helper: panic occurred, switching back to text console.
[19:43] <vegaonee> I have tried both linux 3.13 and 3.16 afaik.
[19:44] <vegaonee> And I tried moving around the partions, to avoid broken sectors of the hdd, if there was any.
[19:46] <vegaonee> Can it be problems with the graphics card driver? Or what? I have no idea and can't get GNU/Linux on my computer. Stuck with Windows 8.1 for now.
[19:46] <vegaonee> Live session works by the way.
[19:47] <BluesKaj_> !uefi |vegaonee
[19:48] <vegaonee> I have been reading online, but can't figure it out.
[19:48] <vegaonee> I'm used to computers pre-UEFI
[19:50] <vegaonee> SecureBoot and FastBoot is disabled, so is FastStartup.
[19:50] <BluesKaj_> vegaonee, do you intend to keeps windows ?
[19:50] <vegaonee> And I'm using an USB stick for installation.
[19:50] <vegaonee> Yes, because of my studies.
[19:51] <BluesKaj_> ok try to install by setting the uefi to legacy mode if that's possible
[19:52] <vegaonee> I couldn't figure that out, but I will look around a bit more.
[19:53] <vegaonee> How do I know if it boots in UEFI mode?
[19:53] <vegaonee> I saw if it did on Linux Mint, but couldn't figure out how on Kubuntu. I got to Grub at least, and it said secure boot off before Grub showed up.
[19:54] <vegaonee> I have a EFI partition at the start of the disk. From Windows. Is that okay?
[19:54] <BluesKaj_> or vegaonee you have to enter the uefi/bios directly to change it legacy mode
[19:55] <BluesKaj_> to legacy
[19:55] <vegaonee> I hate this UEFI stuff. I guess less people are able to run anything else than Windows if it ships with the pc.
[19:56] <vegaonee> I will have a closer look at the BIOS settings.  FastBoot: off?
[19:57] <BluesKaj_> have you tried prepartitioning some linux partitions like / and /home with gparted live cd?
[19:57] <vegaonee> Blueskaj_: Just using gparted and Kubuntu
[19:57] <vegaonee> I have tried different places on the disk.
[19:58] <vegaonee> home, root, boot and swap.
[19:58] <BluesKaj_> i mean creating them with gparted
[19:58] <vegaonee> Why? I created them with gparted in Kubuntu
[19:59] <vegaonee> In BIOS settings: Launch CSM?
[19:59] <BluesKaj_> really? I thought you were getting kernal panics
[19:59] <vegaonee> I am.
[19:59] <vegaonee> During installation.
[19:59] <vegaonee> Not during boot.
[20:01] <vegaonee> I just use live session for partitioning.
[20:02] <BluesKaj_> well I solved my uefi problem by wiping the drive clean, then creating an ntfs partitions sda then the ext4 partitions, then installing W7 and linux afterwards
[20:02] <vegaonee> Yeah, but I wanna keep Win8.1 as it is :/
[20:03] <vegaonee> But it is really tempting just wiping away everything and start blank.
[20:03] <vegaonee> What partition table did you use?
[20:04] <BluesKaj_> vegaonee, well it can be done , but each situation/machine has different problems with uefi
[20:04] <vegaonee> Yeah, such a blessing these days :)
[20:04] <vegaonee> I found some BIOS settings I will try now.
[20:05] <vegaonee> If I can choose to boot Kubuntu in EFI or UEFI, what to choose? For dual boot with Windows.
[20:06] <BluesKaj_> efi and uefi are the same thing afaik
[20:06] <vegaonee> Yeah, that is what I also thought. I just read that in a forum.
[20:07] <BluesKaj_> most likely uefi will be the only choice in the uefi/bios
[20:07] <BluesKaj_> or legacy if available
[20:08] <vegaonee> I had no choices when I booted now. So I just go with the flow. Will tell how well it goes.
[20:08] <vegaonee> I enabled "launch CSM" and "launch PXE OpROM".
[20:14] <vegaonee> Kernel panic again. It seems like I'm stuck with Windows. I have tried what I had in mind now...
[20:15] <BluesKaj_> don't launch pxe or csm, not needed
[20:15] <vegaonee> I have tried different BIOS settings, different distros, different partitioning solutions and different kernels.
[20:15] <vegaonee> I tried with it both enabled and disabled :/
[20:18] <BluesKaj_> vegaonee, have read this one? http://www.rodsbooks.com/linux-uefi/
[20:19] <vegaonee> What could possible help? Make an UEFI only USB for installation? Netinstall?
[20:20] <vegaonee> Good link BluesKaj_, thanks!
[20:20] <vegaonee> Tidy and easy to follow :)
[20:20] <BluesKaj_> vegaonee, and you might get better help in #ubuntu, since there are many more knowledgeable users there
[20:21] <BluesKaj_> #ubuntu is for all flavour so kubuntu is supported there as well
[20:21] <BluesKaj_> flavours
[20:22] <BluesKaj_> hope it helps you , vegaonee
[20:22] <vegaonee> Yeah, but I have gotten some help from you, so so far I am fine. Not tried all the options yet :)
[20:25] <vegaonee> Should I set the boot loader location to sda or to the efi partition location?
[20:26] <BluesKaj_> vegaonee, I'm not sure, like I said maybe #ubuntu is the place to ask that
[20:30] <victor_> Hello everyone
[20:30] <victor_> I'm new here
[20:31] <BluesKaj_> hi victor_
[20:39] <bprompt> victor_:  allo
[20:59] <vegaonee> BluesKaj_: Now it worked! I enabled Secure Boot and Fast Boot and disabled CSM.
[21:00] <vegaonee> BluesKaj_: Thanks for your link and your help! Much appriciated. Enjoy your night (or day)! :)
[21:14] <tyrog> Hi what is the current status of plasma 5?
[21:15] <soee> tyrog: Plasma 5.2 is available in Vivid images
[21:16] <tyrog> Will it be stable for daily use in 15.04? Stable compared to the current 4.x series
[21:17] <soee> tyrog: 4.x is more stable for sure and has more features atm.
[21:17] <tyrog> soee: And in April?
[21:17] <soee> though im using Vivid on my laptop and work PC now
[21:17] <soee> and it works pretty nice
[21:17] <tyrog> Regarding features, what kind of features is plasma 5 lacking at the moment?
[21:18] <BlaXpirit> icon-only task manager is a potato
[21:18] <BlaXpirit> that's a no-go for me
[21:18] <soee> tyrog: well hrd ot say, some plasmoids, no community themes, problems with activities etc. etc.
[21:19] <tyrog> BlaXpirit: You mean the bar down below is like windows 7?
[21:21] <soee> tyrog: small preview how it looks and work https://plus.google.com/110954078302330754910/posts/gsuJuesbKgB
[21:24] <tyrog> It is really cool. But is the feature gap to 4.x as big as the one from 3.x to 4.x?
[21:26] <tyrog> soee: It is really cool. But is the feature gap to 4.x as big as the one from 3.x to 4.x?
[21:27] <soee> tyrog: its har to say, for me i have almost all i need as for web developer :) im missing only color picker widget
[21:27] <tyrog> do you have many crashes?
[21:29] <soee> tyrog: no
[21:29] <BlaXpirit> welp  alpha2 installation is failing on virtual machine
[21:31] <BlaXpirit> serves me right for choosing non-default language >_>
[22:36] <BlaXpirit> hmmm
[23:35] <blubberbop> I have a laptop with 2 hardddrives, and I left it on last night. This morning I let it suspend, and an hour later I opened it up to continue working but now the the secondary harddrive suddenly is in readonly.. I tried sudo mount /drive -oremount,rw, but mount tells me "mount: cannot remount /dev/mapper/data--vg-storage read-write, is write-protected"... Wut? How is this possible? And how can I fix this? I need to write on that drive, and though I could
[23:35] <blubberbop>  reboot.. I'd like to know why this is happening..


[12:49] <TheMuso> c
[12:58] <_ion> c++
[12:59] <bddebian> VB
[01:02] <bddebian> heh
[01:04] <_ion> I've actually written a Visual Basic program in my life: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8670463511478827246
[01:04] <_ion> The blood doesn't wash away. :-(
[01:15] <jdub> does the new initramfs-tools fix 2.6.20 booting?
[12:42] <Stonekeeper> Hi. I have an idea for supporting non-supported drivers in Ubuntu. Is this the place for the suggestion?
[12:43] <Fujitsu> Stonekeeper, probably not on New Year's Day (or close to).
[12:44] <kent> Stonekeeper: i think the correct way is to enter a bugreport/featuere-request on launchpad.
[12:44] <Treenaks> kent: or even a spec
[01:01] <Stonekeeper> ok thanks. Do you mind if i run the idea past you for some ideas/feedback?
[01:02] <tsmithe> i don't
[01:05] <Stonekeeper> ok, my idea is pretty simple. The problem is hunting around for drivers on non-supported h/w. This is akin to hunting around for software on windows. Apt does a great job of fixing this. So I had the idea of having a central DB that OS driver maintainers could register with. Desktop users have a simple front-end that scans the DB for a driver and does a download/untar/configure;make;make install. It would be totally unsuported and community driven. I
[01:05] <Stonekeeper> perhaps it's unworkable - i don't know.
[01:10] <Stonekeeper> anyway, I'll leave you with that little thought. Happy new year to you all :)
[01:10] <Chipzz> I am not a developer, but I can see a whole lot of things wrong with this
[01:10] <Chipzz> heh
[01:11] <Chipzz> great :P
[01:19] <rob> I remember seeing a project that was attempting something pretty similar to that actually
[01:19] <rob> minus the installation bit
[01:21] <Chipzz> I think one of the biggest problems would be even though it would be unsupported, people would still demand support for kernels with additional modules compiled this way
[01:21] <Chipzz> or even be able to easily identify such modifications
[01:22] <tsmithe> yes
[01:22] <Chipzz> cfr the big easyubuntu/automatix/etc debacle
[01:22] <tsmithe> urgh
[01:22] <rob> yeah, the project I'm thinking of was more a general information application that you could use to scan your hardware and provide information on drives and things which it then kept in a central database which others could then query via the application on their computer
[01:55] <neuralis> rob: a h/w database web app is one of the feisty specs, iirc
[01:56] <rob> nice, but is the "app" website based or a traditional on each pc based?
[01:58] <neuralis> rob: "web app"
[01:59] <rob> like, ajax?
[02:01] <neuralis> no. last i heard at uds-mtv, the discussion was about a prettified, html-based, database-driven interface to the existing hwdb submissions.
[04:16] <Anarchy> aight I tried in main channel but wtf is with a patch like this http://rafb.net/p/NoWt3d86.nln.html why not put out something more unified so other distros can use the same patch
[04:21] <zorglu_> hehe anarchy was the old nick of alan cox
[04:21] <zorglu_> i had to check :)
[04:21] <Anarchy> well nvm I have what I need already
[08:23] <Solarion> ello
[08:24] <Solarion> anyone seen http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36635
[08:24] <Solarion> "So, unable to transfer the install easily, unable to legally use a different CD of Windows with my legally purchased key, and unable to install the drivers with the one I had, I was left with only one option. The machine was put in place Saturday running Ubuntu."
[08:24] <Solarion> happy new year!
[11:19] <alecjw> hi. i have a feature request, which i don't want to file a specification or whatever on yet, i want to see what people think first.
[11:19] <alecjw> is this the right place?
[11:19] <alecjw> or should that go in #ubuntu+1
[11:22] <Toadstool> depending on the amount of work (ie. if it involves modifying several packages or just one), I'd say either a wishlist bug or a spec and before submitting it you can send a mail to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:24] <alecjw> Toadstool: ok then. it's a suggestion for the ubuntu-desktop metapackage. i think i'll email the list. do i need to sign up or anything or do i just send the mail?
[11:26] <Toadstool> alecjw: you can send an email and explicitly ask for being CC'ed but I'd advise to subscribe
[11:26] <alecjw> Toadstool: how do i subscribe then?
[11:27] <alecjw> just send a blank email to the list?
[11:27] <Toadstool> http://lists.ubuntu.com/
[11:27] <Toadstool> nope
[11:27] <alecjw> thanks
[11:46] <wasabi_> This may seem radical, but why doesn't apache use shared-mime-info?
[11:48] <_ion> That would be nice.


[00:24] <antarus> hrm
[00:24] <antarus> did someone futz with the precise netboot images recently?
[00:29] <antarus> we are seeing this weird problem:
[00:29] <antarus> 08/05 14:47:45 INFO |logging_ma:0560| 2013-08-05T21:30:55-07:00 anna[4924]: WARNING **: no packages matching running kernel 3.2.0-50-generic in archive
[00:29] <antarus> usually this just means our mirroring is b0rked
[00:29] <antarus> but we checked and it appears to be working
[00:30] <antarus> the linux kernel is <IP_ADDRESS>, but d-i only has <IP_ADDRESS> modules
[00:30]  * antarus is still likely to blame mirroring somewhere
[00:39] <antarus> sorry, to be clear, the netboot kernel is 50, but our mirror only has modules for 51
[00:39] <antarus> hence anna being angry
[01:06] <infinity> antarus: Yeah, -50 never hit updates, but the d-i did.  A bit of a screwup, will be fixing first thing when I wake up.
[01:07] <antarus> infinity: ok thx
[01:07] <antarus> infinity: I was going to file a bug, but I figured I'd ask in here, seeing as if it was on your end, you'd know already ;)
[01:14] <infinity> Meh, maybe I'll just upload against the current -updates kernels now, and then re-do it for the .3 kernels later.
[01:21] <infinity> antarus: Should be fixed in -updates in a few hours.  Tis building right now.  I didn't realize how broken it was when Colin brought it up earlier today, sorry.
[01:24] <antarus> no worries
[14:07] <gaaldering> Good afternoon :)
[14:08] <gaaldering> I want to create a preseed partman expert recipe with the following layout: /dev/sda with bootable lvm, ext4 on /, /dev/sdab with lvm, swap
[14:08] <gaaldering> This works fine if i set it up by hand, but im having a hard time doing this with partman-auto in Precise
[14:09] <gaaldering> So, 2 disks, both with their own lvm...
[14:09] <gaaldering> Is this possible that anyone knows?
[14:14] <cjwatson> xnox: ^- could you help gaaldering out?
[14:14] <cjwatson> (on the phone)
[14:34] <xnox> gaaldering: what's /dev/sdab ? second drive? or it all just a single one.
[14:35] <xnox> gaaldering: it sounds like you can just do partman-auto-lvm, if you need to tweak sizes an example recipe from http://www.gasid.org.uk/2012/06/debianubuntu-preseed-lvm-and-expert_recipe/ should do it.
[14:35] <xnox> gaaldering: note the separate /boot partition though.
[15:17] <gaaldering> xnonx: sorry got pulled away into some meetings as well
[15:18] <gaaldering> xnox: i made a type, so i have 2 disks, sda and sdb, on sda i want a bootable / in lvm, on sdb i want swap in lvm
[15:18] <xnox> gaaldering: i see.
[15:18] <gaaldering> right now im getting 1 volume group, a free ext2 /boot, and some more madness :(
[15:18] <gaaldering> is it possible to partition 2 disks in precise preseed?
[15:18] <xnox> gaaldering: yeah, then above advice doesn't apply. Let me figure this out.
[15:19] <xnox> gaaldering: yes, it should be possible to partition 2 disks in precise preseed.
[15:19] <gaaldering> cool
[15:19] <gaaldering> and, does partman understand it if i want to have 1 / partition ext4 in lvm, and boot from that?
[15:20] <gaaldering> to me it seems partman really wants a /boot partition somehow
[15:20] <gaaldering> but grub 2 can boot lvm just fine
[15:21] <xnox> gaaldering: whilst grub 2 can boot of lvm, the installer and grub2 package isn't configured to allow that in precise.
[15:21] <xnox> gaaldering: thus you will need a separate /boot partition.
[15:22] <gaaldering> you mean in preseed?
[15:22] <gaaldering> if i do this by hand this works just fine :)
[15:22] <xnox> gaaldering: yes, it will be part of the expert recipe. as expert recipe defines everything.
[15:22] <gaaldering> ok, so what your saying is that partman does not support a bootable lvm ? :)
[15:23] <gaaldering> or let me rephrase it
[15:23] <gaaldering> its not supports by the preseed answers....
[15:23] <gaaldering> thats too bad :(
[15:23] <xnox> gaaldering: hm =) I didn't think it did, but if no warning showed up, it should fine. (the warning - critical d-i error "no bootable /boot defined" or something like that)
[15:23] <gaaldering> xnox im surpressing that notice
[15:23] <xnox> ah, ok.
[15:24] <gaaldering> the weird thing right now is, that partman gives me a free ext2 /boot partition, and its nowhere to be found in my expert string
[15:25] <xnox> gaaldering: do you want both drives in a single VG or one VG per drive?
[15:25] <gaaldering> 1 vg per drive
[15:28] <xnox> gaaldering: in that case i'd deploy hacks. Assume that your recipe formats just the /dev/sda (without swap, as you want)
[15:29] <xnox> e.g.: partman-auto/method string lvm; d-i partman-auto/disk string /dev/sda;
[15:29] <xnox> (or with a recipe)
[15:29] <xnox> and then in either:
[15:29] <gaaldering> i did that 2 years ago :) thought this would be fixed maybe by now :))
[15:29] <gaaldering> what i did back then is break out of the installer, do a shell script, and go back in the installer
[15:29] <gaaldering> simply because partman doesnt support things that are possible by hand
[15:29] <xnox> in late_command or partman/early_command: setup lvm, vg, lv, format as swap and activate & add to fstab.
[15:29] <gaaldering> something like that yes :)
[15:30] <xnox> gaaldering: if one specifies: d-i partman-auto/disk string /dev/sda /dev/sdb. With lvm method, both drives will be added as PV into a single VG, and then your LVs will be across both of them.
[15:30] <xnox> (with no way to control mirroring/stripping)
[15:31] <xnox> (or which LV goes on to which PV)
[15:31] <gaaldering> xnox: do you know why partman is not supporting these options? :)
[15:31] <xnox> gaaldering: because I didn't write them yet?! =)
[15:31] <gaaldering> xnox: cant we do that ? :)
[15:32] <xnox> gaaldering: so far there hasn't been a pressing need for those. We give users ability to break out into shell and do anything, and that seems to be sufficient so far =)
[15:33] <xnox> gaaldering: UX designers are pressing to remove options =)
[15:33] <gaaldering> xnox: those UX designers never tried booting from LVM :)
[15:34] <gaaldering> xnox: partman needs more options :) easy
[15:34] <gaaldering> xnox: maybe we need better documentation though :)
[15:34] <xnox> gaaldering: when I explained what lvm is, they said - kill all partitioning screens and force use lvm across all drives by default and then we can ignore all partitioning issues.
[15:35] <xnox> ... until i pointed out that windows/mac dual-boot can't read LVM2 volumes. they got very sad at that point.
[15:35] <xnox> gaaldering: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apbs04.html.en#preseed-partman is very thorough.
[15:36] <xnox> gaaldering: together with ubuntu equivalent, documenting some of the ubuntu specific options.
[15:36] <gaaldering> xnox: are you the (partly) author of partman ?
[15:37] <xnox> gaaldering: no, i'm just a minion. =) i have a few patches here and there, and commit access to d-i, but I'm still only a contributor.
[15:37] <gaaldering> xnox: partman could use some love :)
[15:37] <gaaldering> xnox: you should check dispicable me engineer on youtube :)
[15:37] <gaaldering> brilliant
[15:37] <gaaldering> mini movie
[15:38] <gaaldering> xnox: it seems that partman does things by itself which im not telling it to do
[15:38]  * xnox <3 despicable me
[15:38] <gaaldering> but, what your suggesting is break out of the installer because partman recipes do not support booting from lvm
[15:40] <xnox> gaaldering: you can preseed breaking out.
[15:40] <gaaldering> :(
[15:40] <gaaldering> im fan of preseed
[15:40] <gaaldering> i was hoping to do this native :)
[15:40] <xnox> it can be automated.
[15:40] <gaaldering> instead of shell scripts
[15:41] <gaaldering> xnox: is partman hard to dive into?
[15:41] <gaaldering> xnox: and make this possible?
[15:41] <gaaldering> kickstart supports these things as far as i could find
[15:41] <xnox> gaaldering: no, it's easy. it's all mostly shell scripts =) + debconf (for asking questions, driving logic, preseeding)
[15:41] <gaaldering> really
[15:41] <gaaldering> hm
[15:42] <gaaldering> so but what those ux designers want is not really feasable is it?
[15:42] <xnox> gaaldering: here is an example of using " d-i partman/early_command" to execute a shell snippet to drive things dynamically. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apbs05.html.en
[15:42] <gaaldering> xnox: i build that 2 years ago for another custom partioning
[15:43] <gaaldering> xnox: raw formatting on disks
[15:43] <gaaldering> mkfs.xfs /dev/sda
[15:43] <gaaldering> :)
[15:43] <gaaldering> works like a charm in a vm
[15:43] <gaaldering> needs a grubinstall --force though
[15:43] <xnox> gaaldering: ha =) partman has xfs support these days.
[15:43] <gaaldering> took me 2 weeks of struggling
[15:43] <gaaldering> im doing ext4 now
[15:43] <gaaldering> but
[15:43] <gaaldering> i dont get it
[15:43] <gaaldering> why isnt partman being
[15:43] <gaaldering> fixed
[16:08] <gaaldering> xnox: say, id take 1 disk with lvm, could i boot from LVM then ?
[16:11] <gaaldering> xnox: partman keeps surprising me that what i do by hand does not seem to be possible with partman recipes :)
[16:12] <gaaldering> xnox: early_command seems like a workaround to me to get something to work that is not supported
[16:15] <xnox> gaaldering: pre-existing lvm on the disk? recently reuse methods were added to partman ( and i even think it's been ported back to precise)
[16:16] <xnox> gaaldering: sure there is always stuff one can do more, but partman does a good job for an impressive variety of systems/configurations that are suitable for many use-cases.
[16:17] <xnox> the disparity between interractive vs preseed does intrigue me as well. but i'm not sure how that can be solved.
[16:19] <gaaldering> xnox: yeah you are totally right
[16:19] <gaaldering> interface vs preseed incompatability makes it strange
[16:20] <gaaldering> if its possible to do it interactively, then why not via preseed :)
[16:48] <gaaldering> xnox: could you point me where i should look for the sourcecode of partman ? is that a partman.udeb ?:
[16:49] <xnox> gaaldering: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/CheckOut
[16:49] <xnox> is the debian one.
[16:49] <xnox> gaaldering: there are a few ubuntu patches/forks for some of the projects. Those can be found as bzr branches at:
[16:50] <xnox> https://code.launchpad.net/d-i
[16:50] <xnox> e.g.: lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/apt-setup/ubuntu for ubuntu fork of apt-setup.
[16:50] <gaaldering> im glad everything is in git
[16:50] <gaaldering> :(
[16:50] <xnox> gaaldering: translations are in svn, ubuntu forks are in bzr, debian upstream is in git.
[16:51] <gaaldering> lol :)
[16:51] <gaaldering> how do you guys keep this stuff working
[16:52] <xnox> gaaldering: well we have automatic git -> bzr imports on launchpad e.g. lp:apt-setup is the debian-git import, which we merge into lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/ owned branches and upload into the archive....
[16:52] <gaaldering> why is launchpad using bzr instead of git?
[16:52] <gaaldering> historical reasons?
[16:52] <cjwatson> Canonical wrote bzr
[16:52] <cjwatson> Before git existed
[16:53] <gaaldering> Cool :)
[16:53] <xnox> it's not as bad as it sounds, all of the multiple projects are fairly standartised.
[16:53] <gaaldering> it took me some time to kind of master git :)
[16:54] <gaaldering> im at least going to try and look in the source how it looks like, and why its doing things that i dont want it to do :)
[16:54] <gaaldering> im curious
[16:54] <xnox> gaaldering: bzr is easy. all svn commands map to direct equivalents in bzr + one needs to know "push" and "pull", which by default does sensible things with pushing/pulling tags unlike git.
[16:58] <gaaldering> xnox: but the part i want to look in is partman right?
[16:58] <cjwatson> Probably partman-lvm or partman-auto-lvm
[16:58] <gaaldering> in regards to the stuff we spoke about
[16:58] <cjwatson> It'll use facilities from partman-base and partman-auto
[17:02] <gaaldering> but the debian installer actually downloads the partman udebs right?
[17:02] <gaaldering> or is that build-in like net-retriever
[17:03] <xnox> gaaldering: depends on the type of the build. can be either.
[17:03] <gaaldering> xnox: im mainly interested in partman-auto-lvm and partman-lvm
[17:03] <xnox> gaaldering: server/desktop has them built-in, mini and pxe boot download them.
[17:03] <gaaldering> im using pxe network preseed installs
[17:08] <gaaldering> autolvm.sh :)
[17:09] <gaaldering> xnox: is almost everything in partman written in shell?
[17:10] <xnox> gaaldering: yes.
[17:11] <gaaldering> cool :)
[17:11] <xnox> gaaldering: there are things that are not shell, busybox ( to provide /bin/sh ), various filesystem unitilies, partman-server itself, and a few other helper tools for networking and some-such.
[17:11] <xnox> gaaldering: but all of the installer and partman logic is in shell.
[17:11] <gaaldering> i think in my case i dont have to go into that much detail
[17:11] <xnox> yeah =)
[17:12] <gaaldering> thanks a lot
[17:12] <gaaldering> for pointing things out to me
[17:12] <xnox> no problem =)
[17:13] <gaaldering> my servers are installing in 3 minutes now :)
[17:14] <gaaldering> from start to prompt
[17:15] <gaaldering> now some nice disk recipe which i can use so resizing vm disks will be easy and im good to go :)
[17:15] <gaaldering> dinner time :) thanks again!


[07:09] <dholbach> good morning
[12:39] <jbayfield> dholbach: Thanks for the help yesterday, I really appreciate it. I created a merge proposal at https://code.launchpad.net/~jbayfield/ubuntu/trusty/gnome-do-plugins/bug-1442873 but I think I may have mucked up the branch to merge into.
[12:42] <dholbach> it looks good to me
[12:42] <dholbach> I'm just not sure if fixing the homepage description is important enough to fix it in trusty
[12:44] <dholbach> best to get it fixed in xenial first
[12:47] <jbayfield> AFAIK it's been fixed in Xenial already
[12:57] <dholbach> ok
[21:13] <Unit193> Mirv: Hello!  I was told you may be willing to help by taking a look at LP 1562356?


[18:12] <stennve> hi
[18:12] <stennve> i had a basic question, sound issue
[18:23] <nhandler> stennve: Try #ubuntu for support
[18:24] <stennve> k


[16:55] <Garheade> Congrats on getting recertified.
[16:55] <Garheade> Big thanks to Emma for stepping up.


[04:26] <dlPhreak> Mornin
[05:12] <Kilos> morning all
[05:13] <Padroni> hi
[05:15] <Kilos> poor langjan did a reset on his router now only his wifes windows can see the router so he will be here for help soon i think
[05:15] <Kilos> hopefully someone can help him
[05:15] <Kilos> i mailed him some links on how to get here from windows
[05:16] <Kilos> hope i got it right, still half asleep and head eina
[05:36] <Padroni> Only his wife's pc can see the router?
[05:36] <Kilos> yip
[05:36] <Padroni> is his network not maybe just configured wrong?
[05:38] <Kilos> it was, then kept dropping connection so he foned router peeps or someone, and they said reset
[05:38] <Kilos> after reset ubuntu cant see router anymore
[05:39] <Kilos> oh he went to afrihost and they said reset again
[05:39] <Kilos> but no good
[05:40] <Kilos> i sent him a link for hexchat on windows, then said he can login here directly from our site
[05:40] <Kilos> so he could come here as qwe something or other
[05:48] <Private_User> hey Kilos
[05:49] <Private_User> are you saying ubuntu not able to see it wirelessly but windows is able to see it wirelessly?
[05:49] <Kilos> hi Private_User
[05:49] <Kilos> i dont know yet
[05:49] <Kilos> he will come here for help
[05:49] <Private_User> ah ok
[05:54] <Kilos> i go do chores
[06:23] <cal_py> Morning good people hope everyone's haveing a good day?
[06:29] <Kilos> hi cal_py just busy
[06:38] <Padroni> hi
[07:05] <chesedo> morning dlPhreak Kilos Padroni cal_py and all others
[07:05] <cal_py> hey chesedo
[07:07] <dlPhreak> chesedo
[07:08]  * Padroni waves at superfly
[07:10] <dlPhreak> Howz everyone?
[07:14] <chesedo> cal_py: good so far yes
[07:14] <chesedo> dlPhreak: great
[07:15] <dlPhreak> That's good
[07:18] <cal_py> good good good
[07:35] <Padroni> good morning
[08:29] <Kilos> hi qwebirc87123
[08:29] <qwebirc87123> Hi Kilos
[08:29] <Kilos> you made it oom
[08:29] <qwebirc87123> yip
[08:29] <qwebirc87123> funny name you gave me...
[08:29] <Kilos> guys this is langjan with the router issue
[08:31] <Kilos> Private_User ideas
[08:31] <Kilos> and Padroni
[08:31] <Kilos> qwebirc87123 can you sign in on the router with windows?
[08:32] <qwebirc87123> yes I can
[08:32] <qwebirc87123> thats where I am now
[08:32] <Kilos> type in here
[08:32] <Kilos>   /nick langjan
[08:33] <Private_User> ah yes, question is your router not visible to your ubuntu machine wirelessly but is visible to your windows machine?
[08:34] <langjan> can connect via windows but router also not seen there
[08:34] <langjan> also not to ubuntu via wired connection
[08:34] <Private_User> what type of router is it? are you able to plug in a cable from the ubuntu machine and connect to via the browser by entering its default address?
[08:35] <langjan> Its a Dlink 2750U
[08:35] <langjan> can plug in but deafault address I had does not work
[08:36] <Private_User> the same address works on windows though?
[08:37] <langjan> well I assume its the same address but on windows I just go to connections and click connect
[08:38] <Private_User> ok in your browser in windows, if you type in the router address are you able to access it?
[08:39] <langjan> It says same as ubuntu, this web page is not available
[08:40] <Private_User> this is with a cable plugged in?
[08:40] <langjan> correct
[08:40] <langjan> but same result with wireless
[08:40] <langjan> on ubuntu
[08:41] <Private_User> but the windows machine you not able to access the router via the browser with the cable plugged in but you do get connected via connections and have an internet connection?
[08:42] <langjan> correct
[08:42] <Private_User> ok
[08:42] <Private_User> let me think now...
[08:42] <langjan> Private_User: could the router address have changed with reset to factory settings?
[08:43] <Private_User> resetting to factory settings will just change it back to its default address which in most cases would be either written on the router or on the router manual
[08:44] <langjan> ok looks like <IP_ADDRESS>, was using 4, lets try
[08:45] <Private_User> ok cool
[08:46] <langjan> Ok I got the router via <IP_ADDRESS> on wired, silly old man
[08:46] <langjan> Thanks
[08:47] <langjan> let me see if I can get it going now
[08:47] <Private_User> cool stuff
[08:48] <Private_User> let me know how it goes
[08:48] <langjan> how do I avoid conflict with printer ip, or will it do it automatically if I switch printer on while configuring?
[08:48] <langjan> thanks
[08:58] <Private_User> if all devices are set to acquire IP address automatically they should be fine but if you did set a static IP for one of your devices and your router is set to assign IP addresses dynamically there should be a setting within the router to not assign specific IP addresses
[09:08] <Padroni> ok
[09:09] <Padroni> this seacom outtage is annoying
[09:10] <Padroni> 2nd time this month
[09:11] <Kilos> out again
[09:12] <Kilos> they said they gonna super boost it last i read
[09:12] <Kilos> or super turbo or something
[09:12] <Padroni> meh
[09:12] <Padroni> did they fix that networking situation now?
[09:13] <Kilos> looks like
[09:14] <Kilos> and langjan get you buntu working before you worry about thinking of the printe
[09:14] <Kilos> priorities
[09:21] <langjan> Kilos: I see private user has quit, which protocol do I use? Then connection type V-Mux or LLC? Then vpi and vci, any niumbers in the alotted range?
[09:21] <Kilos> oh my
[09:22] <Kilos> i have no idea langjan
[09:22] <langjan> manual does not help, neither does google
[09:22] <Kilos> Padroni can you help please
[09:24] <Padroni> eh
[09:24] <Padroni> hold on
[09:24] <Padroni> let me just log in to Untangle to look at my settings
[09:25] <Kilos> ty
[09:25] <Kilos> my router is like a doorstop. was easier to put a wifi card in pc and share wifi from there
[09:26] <Padroni> langjan,
[09:26] <Padroni> what router you got?
[09:28] <langjan> dlink 2750U
[09:30] <Padroni> is it the telkom one?
[09:31] <langjan> no bought it
[09:32] <Padroni> ok - that's a good start
[09:32] <langjan> good to know!
[09:33] <Padroni> Connnection type will be LLC
[09:33] <Padroni> everythign is SLOW on my side due to SEACOM being down
[09:33] <Padroni> so this might take me a while
[09:34] <langjan> sorry to keep you
[09:34] <Padroni> no worries - I have time on my hands at the moment
[09:34] <langjan> thanks
[09:35] <Padroni> *sigh*
[09:36] <langjan> Looks like protocol is dynamic ip?
[09:36] <Padroni> Protocol is PPPoE | Connection Type is LLC
[09:36] <Padroni> VPI = 0
[09:36] <Padroni> VCI = 35
[09:36] <Padroni> try that
[09:36] <langjan> thks
[09:37] <Kilos> write it all down and stick to wall by router
[09:38] <Padroni> What is your router's IP ?
[09:38] <Padroni> ie, what is that address in your browser's address bar to connect to the router's login page
[09:39] <Padroni> because all your computers should use the same IP range as the one the router is on
[09:39] <Padroni> ie, if your router is <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:39] <Padroni> then give your pc's static IP's from <IP_ADDRESS> - <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:40] <Padroni> that way they are on the same network and things should work easier
[09:46] <langjan> it keeps going back to login page after completing settings
[09:53] <qwebirc3786> Back again Kilos  whats the command for my name?
[09:53] <Kilos>   /nick langjan
[09:53] <qwebirc3786> nick langjan
[09:53] <Kilos>   /nick
[09:53] <Kilos> forwardalsh makes it a command
[09:54] <Kilos> slash
[09:54] <langjan> thks
[09:54] <Kilos> yw
[09:54] <langjan> sorry router rebooted
[09:55] <langjan> Should I not change my ip address to fit in with router new config?
[09:57] <Kilos> doesnt the router do auto ip thing
[09:59] <langjan> Dont know, its configured and working, just not syncing with my ubuntu systems, if I change config I might lose this connection also?
[10:00] <Kilos> ai!
[10:01] <langjan> Ubuntu systems all say its connected, but its not
[10:01] <Kilos> is there not a place in router setting where you activate each connection
[10:03] <Kilos> if buntu says its connect then it is to the router
[10:03] <Kilos> just ruter not allowing internet access
[10:04] <langjan> Are activated and enabled but on ip <IP_ADDRESS>, they were running on <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:04] <Kilos> wifi from buntu to router?
[10:05] <langjan> ?
[10:07] <Kilos> try use cable from buntu then browse to it
[10:07] <langjan> shows enabled and visible
[10:07] <Kilos> ai!
[10:07] <Kilos> see why mine is a doorstop
[10:07] <Kilos> not even good at that
[10:08] <langjan> lappie picks up signal but does not connect
[10:09] <Kilos> im sure its the router not sharing the connection but how you set it i have no idea
[10:09] <Padroni> hmmm
[10:09] <Padroni> langjan
[10:09] <Padroni> check to see if you can allow remote admin on the router
[10:09] <Padroni> if so, activate it, then visit www.showmyip.co.uk and get me your IP address
[10:09] <Padroni> give me the IP and your router login in pvt so that I can have a look
[10:10] <Kilos> ty Padroni
[10:12] <langjan> Sorry Padroni how do I see if I can allow remote admin on router?
[10:14] <Padroni> there should be a function for it
[10:14] <Padroni> remote access or remote login
[10:14] <Padroni> remote administration even
[10:15] <Padroni> Click on Maintenance
[10:15] <Padroni> Click on Access Control - Services
[10:16] <Padroni> enable all services under "Remote Access Control" and click Apply
[10:16] <Padroni> then get me that info I need
[10:17] <langjan> ok trying...
[10:19] <langjan> All applied, must I type my ip address here?
[10:20] <langjan> Padroni: , and router login details
[10:21] <Padroni> pvt it to me
[10:22] <langjan> pvt?
[10:22] <Padroni> private chat
[10:23] <langjan> sorry dont know where?
[10:23] <Padroni> ok
[10:23] <Padroni> try this
[10:23] <Padroni> go to www.teamviewer.com and install teamviewer
[10:24] <Padroni> once you got it, give me your ID + Password so I can log in
[10:26] <langjan> found you on pvt, info is there, will it be better on teamviewer?
[10:41] <Padroni> I think so - I can't even ping that IP
[10:41] <Padroni> but that could be due to bad connection on my side
[10:41] <Padroni> because seacom...
[10:50] <langjan> Do we chat here or pvt? I received feedback from Windows that there are two computers with same ip address
[10:51] <Padroni> ok
[10:51] <Padroni> on your local network
[10:52] <Padroni> what is your router's IP address?
[10:52] <Padroni> Because you may need to give each machine a static IP to resolve this
[10:52] <langjan> It used to be <IP_ADDRESS>, it changed to <IP_ADDRESS> when it was reset
[10:53] <langjan> so now its <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:54] <Padroni> ok
[10:54] <Padroni> So change your devices to use static IP's in the range of <IP_ADDRESS> - <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:55] <Padroni> make sure they use <IP_ADDRESS> as primary DNS server, and <IP_ADDRESS> as secondary
[10:56] <langjan> Changes to be done in router?
[10:56] <Padroni> no
[10:56] <Padroni> on each device
[10:57] <Padroni> the linux machines should automatically connect using the correct IP range to be honest
[10:57] <Padroni> once they have found the router
[10:57] <langjan> sorry how do I do that? I forgot about 60 years ago when I was 13
[10:57] <Padroni> but you may need to add the DNS server as reference
[10:57] <Padroni> on linux?
[10:57] <Padroni> in ubuntu - top taskbar
[10:57] <Padroni> link on your connection
[10:58] <Padroni> then --> Edit connection settings
[10:58] <Padroni> --> IPv4
[10:58] <Padroni> add the router as the primary DNS server
[10:58] <Padroni> that should work
[10:58] <langjan> ok im going to work on my lappie, its closer but its wireless
[10:59] <Padroni> bro you need to change the IP settings on EVERY computer
[10:59] <Padroni> you know what a IP is, right?
[10:59] <Padroni> it's your computer's address on the network
[11:00] <langjan> ys but can I start on this one & make notes for the others?
[11:00] <Padroni> and if your router is using 10.0.0.X your computer can't be using 192.168.x.x as it's two different networks
[11:00] <Padroni> ok good
[11:01] <langjan> I have ip address
[11:06] <langjan> Padroni:  it says dns servers, only one space, then asks for "Search domains"
[11:09] <langjan> No space for secondary dns
[11:09] <Padroni> where is that now?
[11:09] <Padroni> which screen?
[11:10] <Padroni> which device?
[11:10] <langjan> in both devices, in "editing D-Link"  IPv4 settings, manual
[11:14] <Padroni> dude
[11:14] <Padroni> are you editing the settings on your router from each device?
[11:14] <Padroni> or are you editing the device's IP settings?
[11:16] <langjan> I went to top menu bar on screen, connections, edit connections, IPv4 settings, method=manual, add address
[11:16] <Padroni> ok
[11:16] <Padroni> so do that for each device and reboot it
[11:16] <Padroni> should be able to connect then
[11:17] <langjan> then inserted <IP_ADDRESS> in the one and <IP_ADDRESS> in the other but in dns inserted <IP_ADDRESS> in both but there is no place for cecondary dns
[11:18] <langjan> It seems to want something else before it will save
[11:19] <langjan> must I tick "Require IPv4 addressing for this connection to complete"?
[11:19] <langjan> That does not activate "save" button
[11:21] <Padroni> you can try
[11:21] <langjan> Something is missing before I can save
[11:25] <langjan> I need net mask and gateway
[11:26] <Kilos> methinks netmask is <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:26] <langjan> Its <IP_ADDRESS> but gateway?
[11:26] <Kilos> are you doing this on the router langjan ?
[11:27] <langjan> no
[11:27] <Kilos> oh
[11:27] <Kilos> on pc
[11:27] <Kilos> i think then the gateway is the router ip
[11:27] <langjan> editing router settings on connection in computer
[11:27] <Kilos> sorry i was ouside
[11:28] <langjan> That looks right
[11:29] <Kilos> like when i let second pc share connection the gateway was the first pcs ip
[11:31] <Kilos> i thought the router was suppose to supply all ips with that dhcp thing
[11:32] <Kilos> terrible things
[11:32] <langjan> I have edited those connections but no change
[11:33] <Kilos> do the teamviewer thin with Padroni and whats how he sets it up
[11:33] <Kilos> watch
[11:33] <Private_User> sup people
[11:33] <Kilos> oom is battling
[11:33] <Private_User> was just reading all above
[11:34] <Private_User> question, why not set all devices to acquire IP address automatically?
[11:34] <Private_User> and set router to automatically assign IP address?
[11:35] <Private_User> it would be much easier then to configure each device just a thought unless you guys have already tried that and maybe it did not work?
[11:35] <langjan> I thought that was what was supposed to happen
[11:36] <langjan> Yes we did try- did not work
[11:36] <langjan> So set devices back to automatic, the go to router?
[11:37] <Private_User> just to confirm you currently using your windows machine which is connected to the same router which is connected to the internet?
[11:38] <langjan> Correct
[11:39] <Private_User> ok and this computer is configured to automatically obtain an IP address?
[11:39] <langjan> I would assume so because it just connected on click
[11:40] <Private_User> ok we can check to confirm which version of windows is it?
[11:40] <langjan> oh sorry, the ip address I obtained would then be for this machine
[11:40] <langjan> It's Windows 7
[11:42] <Private_User> ok lets just confirm the settings
[11:43] <langjan> ok, on the router?
[11:44] <Private_User> on the machine you currently using windows 7 machine cause that one is working
[11:44] <Private_User> you can go to start -> control panel -> Network and Internet -> Network and Sharing Center and then Click on Manage network connections
[11:44] <langjan> ok what do you need?
[11:44] <langjan> ok
[11:44] <Private_User> then tell me what you see there
[11:45] <langjan> Internet options?
[11:46] <Private_User> or do you have TeamViewer installed on that machine I can connect to your machine quickly?
[11:46] <Private_User> it would be Network and Internet
[11:46] <Private_User> internet options will taking you to your browser settings
[11:47] <langjan> shall we go team viewer?
[11:47] <Private_User> yeah we can do that
[11:48] <Private_User> I sent you a PM
[11:48] <langjan> ok im on the site
[11:49] <langjan> What and where is the PM?
[11:50] <Kilos> pm and pvt same thing
[11:50] <Kilos> private message
[11:50] <Private_User> should be in the browser window as a separate chat if you using your browser or if you using an IRC client then you should see a blinking window in there
[12:10] <Kilos> first boom boom power died
[12:10] <Kilos> and returned
[12:10] <Kilos> sigh
[12:11] <Private_User> hi langjan
[12:11] <Private_User> I am connected to your machine but I see you busy?
[12:59] <Kilos> hmm...
[13:10] <Private_User> Kilos it looked like the router had its settings all cleared
[13:11] <Sxuza> hey guys
[13:11] <Kilos> is it fixed now
[13:11] <Kilos> hi Sxuza
[13:11] <Private_User> we tried to update now hopefully it worked
[13:11] <Kilos> whew
[13:11] <Private_User> langjan is busy testing
[13:11] <Sxuza> does anyone know of a server that Mechanical Engineers are able to discuss under general
[13:11] <Kilos> cool
[13:11] <Sxuza> ##mechanics is dead and too quiet
[13:15] <Kilos> Sxuza why does google give you?
[13:15] <Kilos> maybe they also go to other socialmedia
[13:15] <Private_User> well Kilos, we see langjan left the room so I assume he disconnected the connection he was using and is now trying to connect via the router
[13:15] <Kilos> like G+
[13:15] <Kilos> lets hope so Private_User
[13:16] <Private_User> I am holding thumbs the router config was correct and he is able to connect
[13:16] <Private_User> yep
[13:16] <Kilos> power gone
[13:16] <Kilos> wbb
[13:16] <Private_User> eish
[13:16] <Private_User> ok
[13:23] <Private_User> hi MaNI
[13:27] <MaNI> hi
[13:30] <Private_User> MaNI: you with afrihost correct?
[13:31] <Private_User> MaNI: just wanted to confirm the user name you enter on your router is the @afrihost address?
[13:34] <Private_User> hi langjan
[13:34] <Private_User> sorry I just realized what that message you received was complaining about
[13:34] <langjan> hi Private_User sorry it did not work, any other suggestions?
[13:34] <Private_User> I think I may have jumped the gun there
[13:36] <Private_User> langjan: I can connect to your machine quickly again and have s look?
[13:36] <langjan> The feedback was the same, could not progress to the save page
[13:36] <Private_User> yeah I realized it was mistake
[13:36] <langjan> sure let me see what to do
[13:36] <langjan> thks
[13:37] <Private_User> we needed to disable the other connection i.e. telkomguest
[13:37] <Private_User> on the router
[13:37] <Private_User> then it should apply the settings
[13:37] <Private_User> you can try that quick and let me know
[13:37] <langjan> let me see, that team viewer was a once-off, will probably have to rerun
[13:38] <Private_User> you should have a short cut on your desktop for it
[13:39] <Private_User> if the ID and password is still the same then I should be able to connect however if its different use the private message window and send me the details
[13:41] <langjan> Its new
[14:05] <Private_User> does anybody here know how to disable a connection on a Dlink DSL 2750U? the only option I see is to delete
[14:06] <langjan> sorry connection dropped, had to reboot
[14:06] <langjan> sorry connection dropped
[14:14] <langjan> Hi Private_User Im chatting from my Ubuntu machine, what a pleasure - many, many thanks for your help!
[14:14] <Private_User> ah excellent
[14:14] <Private_User> so it worked
[14:15] <Private_User> I would suggest if you did not need to guest account and you have all the details for that setup written down somewhere you could always delete it
[14:16] <langjan> Yes, wonderful. But frustrating - sorry I took so much of your time. OK will do that. Thks for popinting me to the best help kilos
[14:19] <Private_User> excellent langjan glad I could help but sorry for jumping the gun earlier as I should have realized that the router was complaining about the guest account
[14:21] <langjan> No problem, I'm very grateful
[14:21] <langjan> kilos many thanks for the guidance
[14:22] <Private_User> I think Kilos is offline at the moment he did say he lost power
[14:22] <Private_User> brb
[14:26] <langjan> Ok will catch him later, go well.
[14:26] <langjan> Thks
[14:40] <Kilos> power returned
[15:00] <Langjan> Hi Kilos  now back to square 1, my historic battle with printer ip address conflicts
[15:00] <Langjan> Cannot remember how, but I know we set the ip adress of the machines to <IP_ADDRESS> and above because the printer is <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:01] <Langjan> Now I'm back to <IP_ADDRESS> for my router and the printer right in the range...
[15:11] <Kilos> Langjan is ubuntu working at least?
[15:13] <Langjan> Hi Sorry I assumed that you had received my grateful thanks and applause. Yes, all machines up and running after a marathon session with the very kind Private_User
[15:13] <Kilos> wonderful
[15:13] <Kilos> ty Private_User
[15:13] <Kilos> i had no power
[15:14] <Kilos> now Langjan
[15:14] <Kilos> dont break it again
[15:14] <Langjan> Slaap lekker vanaand sodat die krag kan terugkom...
[15:15] <Kilos> its on man
[15:15] <Kilos> got feedback from the link you gave
[15:15] <Kilos> Feedback successfully sent
[15:15] <Kilos> Thank you for your feedback which has been sent to the Department of Immigration
[15:16] <Kilos> and Border Protection.
[15:16] <Kilos> The Reference Number for this feedback is: IMMI-16-02041
[15:16] <Kilos> You will receive an acknowledgement email in the near future.
[15:16] <Kilos> i did the complaints option
[15:16] <Kilos> i cant be online when power goes. battery lasts 2 mins
[15:17] <Kilos> so i rush to close everything and shutdown properly
[15:19] <Kilos> Langjan ^^
[15:19] <Kilos> just see when near future actually is
[15:21] <Langjan> Well at least theres some movement! Holding thumbs for you.
[15:21] <Kilos> ty
[15:32] <ne2k> apologies that this is way off-topic, but does anyone know of any general Afrikaans language channel on freenode or any other irc network? I'm an native English speaker trying to decipher some Afrikaans song lyrics to music I'm digging
[15:32] <ne2k> I've found ##afrikaans but it seems to have no-one in it...
[15:33] <Kilos> hi ne2k
[15:33] <Kilos> we have our own channel #ubuntu-afr
[15:33] <ne2k> Kilos: hi
[15:34] <Kilos> we can most likely help you if you have time
[15:34] <ne2k> cool, will join. thanks
[15:59] <Kilos> chesedo
[15:59] <Kilos> how good is your taal
[16:46] <chesedo> Kilos: so that good that I had english as 1st lang in school
[16:46] <Kilos> cool
[16:47] <Kilos> join #ubuntu-afr
[16:47] <Kilos> theres a guy needs some words in a song translated
[18:24] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:24] <Kilos> that mac book has infected me
[18:24] <Kilos> yawning
[18:26] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[00:01] <bryceh> bdmurray, aha, awesome
[00:02] <bdmurray> bryceh: its not a good solution but something to get the data right now
[00:02] <bryceh> bdmurray, do you think this issue is important enough to put in for alpha-2?
[00:03] <bdmurray> bryceh: I forget it doesn't block bug reporting for X right?
[00:03] <bryceh> bdmurray, not that I know
[00:03] <bryceh> actually it might for some cases
[00:05] <bryceh> bdmurray, I take it you're alluding to say, "Dummy, people being unable to report bugs kinda undermines the whole idea of having an alpha release"
[00:06] <bdmurray> bryceh: well more like "If it prevents getting useful data then yes its important for A2"
[00:06] <bdmurray> bryceh: or if it makes people goto +filebug instead of using ubuntu-bug ;-)
[00:08] <bryceh> bdmurray, how's this look:
[00:08] <bryceh>         if os.path.lexists('/usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test'):
[00:08] <bryceh>             try:
[00:08] <bryceh>                 ust = command_output_quiet([
[00:08] <bryceh>                     '/usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test', '-p'])
[00:08] <bryceh>                 ust = ust.replace('\x1b','').replace('[0;38;48m','').replace('[1;32;48m','')
[00:08] <bryceh>                 report['UnitySupportTest'] = ust
[00:08] <bryceh>             except AssertionError:
[00:08] <bryceh>                 report['UnitySupportTest'] = 'FAILED TO RUN'
[00:09] <bdmurray> testing it without the work around - I can still report a bug
[00:10] <bdmurray> but that looks fine to me
[00:10] <bryceh> alrighty
[00:16] <bryceh> bdmurray, uploaded
[00:16] <bryceh> might be too late for alpha-2 but we'll see
[00:17] <bdmurray> have you thought about moving the hook to a "smaller" package at all?
[00:21] <bryceh> the xorg package is actually quite small
[00:21] <bryceh> but yeah I've thought of maybe moving this apport hook and the intel gpu hook (and maybe the old bulletproof-x bits) out into a separate package
[00:22] <bryceh> -ENOTIME ;-)
[00:22] <bryceh> if nothing else, doing so would help to minimize our diff against the debian upstream packages.
[00:22] <bryceh> but I think there might also be some potential for shared code between the three scripts
[00:25] <bdmurray> I thought the 'Unsupported Ubuntu Release' bit would be good in apport proper
[00:26] <bryceh> bdmurray, thanks yeah I think so too
[00:27] <bryceh> there is some logic for figuring out what kind of regression the bug is, which I think might be a bit better than what's in the kernel apport hook as it has less user prompting
[00:28] <bryceh> feel free to cherrypick.
[00:28] <bryceh> I eventually plan to try submitting some of it back to apport, if/when we ever get caught up on the X bugs
[00:34] <bryceh> RAOF, I'm losing steam as EOD approaches but have hammered the tip off of Spikey McSpike - http://www.bryceharrington.org/X/Reports/ubuntu-x-swat/totals-natty-workqueue.svg
[00:35] <bryceh> RAOF, if you get a chance today could you look at bugs #707236 and #710961 - two corruption regression bugs
[00:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 707236 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu Natty) (and 2 other projects) "corruption in xchat-gnome window (affects: 3) (heat: 26)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/707236
[00:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 710961 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "[i945gm] Screen Corruption with new Xorg stack (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/710961
[00:35] <RAOF> Certainly.
[00:35] <bryceh> thanks, I'm going to try focusing on forwarding the new bugs and patches upstream tomorrow.
[00:36] <bryceh> if there's any you already have an inkling about please put a comment on them - here's a report that might be easier to work from: http://blumonc/Arsenal/Reports/ubuntu-x-swat/workqueue-natty.html
[00:37] <RAOF> blumonc?
[00:37] <bryceh> dah
[00:37] <bryceh> http://www.bryceharrington.org/Arsenal/Reports/ubuntu-x-swat/workqueue-natty.html
[00:38] <bryceh> if there's any you want to look into yourself, assign yourself and I'll skip upstreaming them for now
[00:38] <RAOF> Ok.
[00:40] <bryceh> the couple tagged iso-testing and pcert are also probably high priorities for us
[02:22] <RAOF> Ok, I think I'm closing in on bug #707236.  Interested parties should try reverting 1ba983034 from xserver-xorg-video-intel. :)
[02:22] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 707236 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu Natty) (and 2 other projects) "corruption in xchat-gnome window (affects: 3) (heat: 26)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/707236
[03:09] <Amaranth> RAOF: Yeah, that looks likely
[03:10] <RAOF> Well, not only likely, but reverting it fixes emacs for me.
[03:10]  * Amaranth kicks qwest
[03:10] <Amaranth> I may not be able to test for a while, internet is like dialup with slightly better ping right now
[03:11] <RAOF> Yay.
[03:12] <RAOF> Anyway, I'm working out whether that commit was always broken, or is interacting with the damage updates in Xserver 1.10
[03:16] <Amaranth> yay it sped up, building now
[03:21] <Amaranth> test
[03:21] <Amaranth> hrm, need a long line first
[03:21] <Amaranth> test again
[03:21] <Amaranth> yay
[03:21] <Amaranth> RAOF: Confirmed, that fixes the problem
[03:21] <RAOF> Amaranth: Nifty.
[03:21] <Amaranth> hmm, got an apport report for memcheck-amd64
[03:21] <Amaranth> that's scary
[03:24] <Amaranth> odd that regular xchat didn't have the problem, I guess they've gotten out of sync
[03:25] <RAOF> Maybe.  Emacs has a similar problem.
[03:25] <RAOF> It's probably only things which draw in specific ways.
[04:01] <RAOF> Hm, no.
[04:01] <RAOF> Looks like that commit is just broken.
[04:43] <bjsnider> Amaranth, i have been trying to tell you that xchat is better
[04:44] <Amaranth> bjsnider: Oh no, I used it for a couple hours to see if it had gotten better
[04:44] <Amaranth> It's ugly
[04:44] <bjsnider> what?
[04:45] <Amaranth> It doesn't sort networks alphabetically, uses colors instead of icons to represent incoming messages, you have to show the user list to see the lag stats, and I always had to right click a URL to open it
[04:46] <bjsnider> wow
[04:46] <bjsnider> all of the things you just mentioned would irritate me in reverse
[04:47] <bjsnider> i find the colors better for incoming messages than the icons in xchat-gnome
[04:47] <bjsnider> i don't want every stray click opening a url
[04:47] <bjsnider> the networks don't have to be sorted at all
[04:48] <bjsnider> i thought your original objection to it was that it didn't have support for any gnome themes and so forth.
[07:09] <Amaranth> bjsnider: Not themes, integration (using gconf, HIG, etc)
[07:19] <LLStarks> stupid question. is it possible to have a task started in an ssh session continue after that session ends?
[07:22] <soren> LLStarks: Not really on-topic in here, but look at nohup's man page.
[08:48] <ara> bryceh, hello!
[08:49] <bryceh> ara, hi
[08:50] <ara> bryceh, we got a similar bug about xorg crashing for intel during ubiquity installation
[08:50] <ara> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/708744
[08:50] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 708744 in xorg (Ubuntu) "Xorg segfaults during installation process (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [High,Triaged]
[08:50] <ara> we opened a new one, but it seems to be quite similar to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/705078
[08:50] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 705078 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "Xorg crashed with SIGSEGV in pixman_image_set_has_client_clip() (affects: 9) (dups: 2) (heat: 64)" [High,Fix released]
[08:52] <bryceh> ara, what I think would help would be to gather a full backtrace
[08:52] <bryceh> ara, I can look into it more tomorrow; it's late for me
[08:52] <ara> bryceh, sure, good night!
[08:52] <bryceh> ara, probably what I should do is figure out how to reproduce it on my own hardware
[08:53] <bryceh> ara, any tips on how to reproduce it could probably help
[08:53] <bryceh> ara, ultimately I suspect that the crashes are symptomatic of a deeper issue at work, which remains mysterious
[08:54] <bryceh> ara, I'm also somewhat wondering if it may be a peculiarity of the testing environment, because I've not seen similar reports from ordinary users installing normally
[08:54] <ara> bryceh, no idea, for us it always happens (using a preseeded installation over the network)
[08:54] <bryceh> it makes me wonder if this is dependent on some characteristic of how these tests are being installed
[08:55] <ara> bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/706117 contains the preseed file
[08:55] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 706117 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Installation fails using preseed file and network install (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New]
[08:55] <ara> it may help you trying to reproduce it
[08:56] <seb128> bryceh, hey, thanks for the dx reports
[08:56] <seb128> bryceh, thanks for sending the email to the list as well
[08:57] <bryceh> ara, unfortunately I don't know how to make use of "preseed files" - if you can explain further on the bug report it might help me
[08:57] <bryceh> seb128, heya, yep glad they're of use
[08:58] <ara> bryceh, sure, will do
[08:59] <seb128> bryceh, do you think having a summary of natty tasks would be useful as well?
[08:59] <seb128> it's a bit similar to the milestoned list
[09:05] <bryceh> seb128, you mean bug tasks targeted to a particular release, yeah I think that could be of use
[09:07] <bryceh> seb128, I don't have that hooked up yet though
[09:07] <seb128> bryceh, right, I wanted the milestone list to build a list of things we (desktop or contributor) should work on if they want to help unity
[09:07] <seb128> but I figure that "bugs that would be nice to fix for natty" are either milestoned or have a natty task
[09:07] <bryceh> seb128, could you file a bug against arsenal requesting this?  It can be done but might take a bit before I get to it.
[09:07] <seb128> so we might still miss the ones without a milestone
[09:08] <seb128> bryceh, ok, will do
[09:08] <bryceh> seb128, yeah agreed
[09:08] <seb128> the workaround would be milestone all the bugs we are about for beta or natty
[09:08] <seb128> are->care
[09:08] <bryceh> I've been lucky with xorg to not have so many bugs (yet) to need to filter on that, but for unity I can see that would be quite handy
[09:09] <bryceh> seb128, btw with the 'workqueue' report, a technique for managing it is to be very aggressive at setting bugs to Incomplete.  Since the report excludes bugs waiting on responses, that can help keep the report useful.
[09:10] <bryceh> plus it has the pleasant side effect of making reporters feel they're getting quick responses ;-)
[09:17] <bryceh> night (dead tired)
[09:20] <seb128> bryceh, right, thanks for the hint, 'night!
[13:52] <mvo> hey guys, anyone minds if I upload http://paste.ubuntu.com/561936/ ? (xserverxorg-video-intel)
[13:55] <tjaalton> mvo: pretty sure it's ok
[17:33] <alf_> Hi! I am using the xorg-edgers PPA. For r600 the classic driver is the default for GL, although when running GLES2 apps the gallium driver is used.
[17:35] <alf_> The problem is that when forcing gallium (ForceGallium="true" in xorg.conf) GLES2 apps now complain with "libEGL warning: DRI2: could not open  (No such file or directory)"
[17:36] <alf_> GLES2 apps run fine with gallium when not forcing it in xorg.conf
[17:36] <alf_> Any ideas?
[17:37] <Sarvatt> EGL_DRIVER=egl_gallium yourapp work?
[17:38] <Sarvatt> there has been a bunch of changes for the egl stuff recently in 7.11 and i haven't had time to fix it all up
[17:39] <alf_> Sarvatt: http://paste.ubuntu.com/562094/
[17:40] <alf_> it uses the softpipe, while when not forcing gallium it correctly uses the hardware driver
[17:41] <Sarvatt> its because we're renaming the dri2 driver name for the forcegallium thing
[17:42] <Sarvatt> (to r600g)
[17:42] <Sarvatt> natty mesa doesn't work either right?
[17:43] <alf_> Sarvatt: haven't checked, I was following the +gallium PPA before and now switched to the main xorg-edgers one
[17:52] <Sarvatt> hmm, looking at it I'm not sure how to fix that
[17:55] <Sarvatt> alf_: to work around it you could just drop forcegallium and make /usr/lib/dri/r600_dri.so the gallium version
[17:58] <bryceh> RAOF, another funky upgrade blockage - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/712640
[17:58] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 712640 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "package xserver-xorg-core 2:<IP_ADDRESS>2-1ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: installing xserver-xorg-core would break existing software (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[18:05] <Darxus> How much of wayland's dependencies made it into alpha 2?  Should a pre-BGRA version build and work, but not the latest with BGRA?
[18:05] <Darxus> And is it appropriate for me to ask here?
[18:07] <bryceh> Darxus, some deps didn't make it; I've been waiting on cairo in particular which is still tbd
[18:08] <Darxus> Thanks.
[18:08] <bryceh> it was my goal to have it all in by alpha-2 but just didn't have time, too many other priorities
[18:09] <Darxus> I understand.
[18:11] <Darxus> I appreciate that it's on your list.  And I'll care more when wayland is actually usable :)
[18:12] <jcristau> that'll take a while
[18:14] <Darxus> jcristau: Yup.
[18:44] <alf_> Sarvatt: Yes, I think I'll do that and keep the old version around to use it with LIBGL_DRIVERS_PATH if needed
[18:44] <alf_> Sarvatt: though it complicates upgrading as I have to do this everytime I upgrade :(
[18:44] <Sarvatt> yeah :(
[18:45] <Sarvatt> I'm not sure how to fix it properly, it's broken in natty too from what I can see
[18:45] <Sarvatt> need to make the r600 gallium driver accept a r600g dri driver name too
[18:47] <alf_> Sarvatt: was the idea of having an r600_dri symlink to either r600c or r600g considered as a solution to gallium vs mesa selection?
[18:48] <alf_> I mean gallium vs classic
[18:50] <Sarvatt> yeah it was but no one wanted to implement all the extra complexity in the mesa packages and you lose the ability to have automatic fallbacks to the other driver if you switch to UMS for example
[18:51] <Sarvatt> that option is starting to grow on me though :)
[18:52] <jcristau> what about just shipping one driver?
[18:53] <jcristau> and if you want ums, then tough, you don't get 3d.
[18:53] <Sarvatt> next cycle
[18:53] <jcristau> k
[19:50] <Q-FUNK> howdy! seems that X upgrade from maverick barfs majorly.
[19:51] <Q-FUNK> everything correctly depends upon video driver 9, but dpkg refuses to deconfigure older drivers during the upgrade, because it would break them
[19:54] <Q-FUNK> seems that we need to remove xserver-xorg-video-v4l before we do anything else
[22:00] <RAOF> Woot!  Intel corruption fixed.
[22:00] <Q-FUNK> RAOF: where? :)
[22:01] <RAOF> Upstream, and cherry-picked by mvo.
[22:04] <Q-FUNK> nice
[22:04] <Q-FUNK> already in natty?
[22:53] <bryceh> yep
[23:22] <bdmurray> bryceh: xorg package hook has CompositorRunning and CompisitorRunning keys in it
[23:23] <bryceh> heh
[23:25] <bdmurray> also I'm not sure report[compiz_version] gets set anywhere
[23:25] <bryceh> fixed the misspelling
[23:26] <bryceh> yeah that should just be 'compiz_version', darn