[12:09] <mossman> I had one working years ago.  Did you compile the driver,  or use a binary package?
[12:09] <Pupeno> brb
[12:09] <erov> binary (default installation) drivers.. it's been that way since install.. it's a busted laptop hooked to a monitor to be used like a desktop
[12:09] <slavo> hi , i have one problem : i installed apache2 and it worked, but i have deleted /etc/apache2/ and i removed apache in adept but when i install apache2 again , it do not create /etc/apache2/apache2.conf , how to ?  tahnk you for your help
[12:10] <erov> i get 640 no matter what
[12:10] <erov> and ive went over the xorg.conf manually
[12:10] <mossman> checkout http://linmodems.org/  there is some info there.  Try building your own driver.  May do the trick
[12:10] <erov> k
[12:11] <stupendo44> mossman, I did build it
[12:11] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> vigilante: where do the fonts install , because they are not on the font list?
[12:11] <mossman> ahh. Sorry,  misunderstood
[12:11] <erov> oh you aint talking to me
[12:11] <erov> sorry i interjected into that convo
[12:11] <erov> :P
[12:11] <mossman> My fault erov.  Not reading well today
[12:13] <stupendo44> mossman, when I run "lsmod | grep lt" I see both ltserial and ltmodem as I should. I've also already created the symlink from /dev/modem to /dev/ttyLTM0
[12:13] <stupendo44> I followed the instructions from http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/archive-fifth/msg01177.html
[12:22] <mossman> that sounds right to me
[12:23] <stupendo44> mossman, ok, I'm going to try dialing with the log box open. It will probably hang, but I might get to see something
[12:32] <vigilante> how do I start up kget, can't find it
[12:33] <ryanakca> I'm having trouble running sudo aptitude update... the whole output from what I tried is here:   http://pastebin.ca/81794       as you may have noticed... at first I (wrongly) thought it was a proxy problem, so I tried restarting the network... no avail
[12:34] <ryanakca> vigilante: should be under KMenu-Internet-KGet.... if not... alt-f2 -> kget     .... and add it to KMeny
[12:35] <vigilante> ryanakca: I tried running it from cli, got not found
[12:35] <vigilante> not in Kmenu either
[12:38] <vigilante> ryanakca: its not installed, just looked in Adept for it, and its available to install
[12:41] <ryanakca> lol
[12:43] <mad_slackie> night all! :)
[12:45] <vigilante> is there a make live cd script in kubuntu to generate a new live cd based off you hardrive install, similar to what Mandriva one and PCLinuxOS has?
[12:51] <vigilante> btw, kudos to whoever developed the X gui config for monitor and video card in 6.06 :)  , we're getting close to having something like Yast or Harddrake
[12:53] <D4m4ge> good night :)
[01:02] <vigilante> Anyone here using xgl/compiz?  And is it worth the trouble?  (I heard you get 3D performance drop in games)
[01:02] <devlin__> I've tried installing Kubuntu 6.06LTS on two different machines neither would partition the hard disk. The only common denominator is they both have Maxtor 80G drives. I was able to install 5.10 on the same drive w/o problem. any ideas would be greatly appricated.
[01:06] <jeremyb> you could use a separate program to partition your hard drive
[01:07] <jeremyb> also, can't you just try upgrading to 6.06?
[01:07] <Blissex> devlin__: thats extremely unlikely.
[01:07] <Blissex> vigilante: not worth the trouble, and probably never, or at least for a few years.
[01:08] <vigilante> Blissex: thats what I thought... from reading and seeing the demos, I can tell w/o even installing it that its not worth it
[01:10] <devlin__> jeremyb: 5.10 got deleted when I reformated my disk due to a nice Win crash... Its really odd that it's done it on actually 3 pc's all crap out at repartitioning and all using the same make and size HD. What would you suggest for a reliable repartitioning prog. I can download?
[01:11] <SpAwN> devlin__: dla win98 boot disk and put it in and use fdisk
[01:11] <devlin__> Ack! that will kill my XP Pro install
[01:11] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> where are the msttcorefonts , i installed it but can select any of the fonts from kcontrol fonts
[01:11] <slow-motion> n8
[01:12] <jeremyb> I used qtparted on a CD
[01:12] <devlin__> isn't that what 6.06 uses?
[01:15] <jeremyb> sorry, I think I used gparted
[01:15] <h3sp4wn> jeremyb: Did it downgrade ok ?
[01:17] <devlin__> jeremyb: will look up that gparted. I liked 5.10 but I've seen 6.06 so I'm not giving up just loosing fists full of hair trying to get it on my machine lol
[01:17] <jeremyb> yes, I believe so, thanks very much h3sp4wn
[01:18] <jeremyb> devlin, did you use the check for errors feature on the 6.06 CD?
[01:20] <matt___> does anybody use pci (laptop) wifi cards on their ubuntu boxes?
[01:20] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> where are the msttcorefonts , i installed it but can select any of the fonts from kcontrol fonts
[01:20] <devlin__> jeremyb: yes, it didn't find any on either cd I burned. ( 1st thought I just burned a bad disc)
[01:20] <matt___> does anybody use pci (laptop) wifi cards on their ubuntu boxes?
[01:21] <h3sp4wn> matt__: minipci ?
[01:22] <angelos-> would you like to taste my own ubuntu flavor, called dickuntu ?
[01:23] <crimsun> angelos-: does it have ponies?
[01:23] <matt___> h3sp4wn: regular pci
[01:23] <Fiyawerx> pcmcia?
[01:23] <angelos-> it is juicy
[01:23] <Fiyawerx> i dont think a pci card is gonna fit in a laptop
[01:23] <angelos-> with nice guis
[01:23] <crimsun> angelos-: right, but does it have ponies?
[01:23] <matt___> yeah, pcmcia, I'm terrible at all networking related things :(
[01:23] <devlin__> brb
[01:23] <angelos-> yes
[01:23] <Blissex> Fiyawerx: there are mini-PCI cards and most laptops have some.
[01:23] <Fiyawerx> matt___: i do, on a dell latitude d600
[01:24] <crimsun> angelos-: what a crock.
[01:24] <Fiyawerx> Blissex: i know, he said pci, that's what i was saying :)
[01:24] <Blissex> oops
[01:24] <matt___> Flyawerx: what brand do you use, and did you use ndiswrapper, or was the support native?
[01:24] <Blissex> matt___: a mini-PCI to PCI adapter can be obtained, but they are very expensive.
[01:24] <Blissex> matt___: some for PCMCIA to PCI adapters.
[01:25] <Blissex> matt___: instead a native PCI wireless card can be very cheap, e.g. RALink ones.
[01:25] <h3sp4wn> matt___: I would say atheros are unconditionally the best but others may disagree
[01:25] <Blissex> matt___: anyhow USB is also a good idea for WiFi. Very portable.
[01:25] <Fiyawerx> matt___: support was native, good question tho, let me see what it is
[01:25] <Blissex> h3sp4wn: Atheros good, but expensive and very recent cards not supported.
[01:25] <matt___> Blissex: I have heard there are stability problems w/ usb wi-fi
[01:25] <Fiyawerx> matt___: suppor was native on my desktop w3g11v2 card also
[01:25] <Fiyawerx> had to change a modprobe option tho
[01:26] <h3sp4wn> Blissex: Madwifi 0.91 supports all of them (appart from usb) as far as I know
[01:26] <Blissex> matt___: same for non USB WiFi too.
[01:27] <Fiyawerx> matt___: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG
[01:27] <Fiyawerx> is my wifi
[01:27] <matt___> Fiyawerx: is that pcmcia?
[01:27] <shocktrooper1> hello.  I used wink screen capturer and my only screen resolution available is 640x480.  How can I reset this?
[01:27] <Fiyawerx> oh, sorry, it's built in
[01:28] <matt___> anybody use this driver, I recently bought a card from a fellow linux user employed at a compusa and he sent me a link for this driver: RT2500-Linux-STA-<IP_ADDRESS>/Module
[01:29] <h3sp4wn> matt___: I don't like ralink stuff the radios in the two types of cards I have had have all been of poor quality
[01:29] <matt___> hmm....
[01:30] <shocktrooper1> anyone know of a way from the commandline?  Display doesn't work.
[01:30] <matt___> so, what is the best Atheros card out there for ubuntu laptops?
[01:30] <stupendo44> I need help, whenever I access /dev/modem, which is symlinked to /dev/ttyLTM0, kubuntu hangs unrecoverably. First of all, what would cause that? Is the kernel crashing?
[01:31] <jeremyb> I am using NetGear WG111v2 USB right now
[01:31] <stupendo44> I followed the instructions from here: http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/archive-fifth/msg01177.html
[01:31] <matt___> jeremyb: how much was was it to set up?
[01:31] <Blissex> stupendo44: you are probably using a softmodem/winmodem, and those drivers are very buggy.
[01:31] <stupendo44> there was only one thing that I didn't follow
[01:32] <stupendo44> it was related to permissions, so it could possibly be causing the problem
[01:32] <jeremyb> it's quite nearly plug & play
[01:32] <stupendo44> the instructions said to edit /etc/udev/permissions.d/50-udev.permissions, but there is no permissions.d directory
[01:32] <h3sp4wn> matt__: http://www.ubnt.com/super_range_cardbus.php4
[01:32] <matt___> jeremyb: what was the non-plug & play work you had to do, and did you have access to WEP encrypted networks?
[01:33] <matt___> h3sp4wn: thx, I will check that link
[01:33] <stupendo44> also, how do I unload modules that I loaded with modprobe?
[01:33] <jeremyb> I installed KNetwork Manager and don't know about WEP, but I assume that there is no problem
[01:34] <matt___> so, KNetwork Manager did the work for you as far as setting up the connection?
[01:35] <matt___> h3sp4wn: is the super range linux compatible?
[01:36] <h3sp4wn> matt___: Madwifi supports it but you need a suitable router to use it
[01:36] <matt___> suitable how?
[01:36] <MasterEvilAce> where's setting to make my hard-drive powerdown after a certain amount of time
[01:37] <h3sp4wn> matt___: You can't use extended range unless you have an atheros based router (or compatible)
[01:37] <matt___> would a belking54g router be compatible?
[01:37] <h3sp4wn> matt___: That card does g and a (simultaneus) with the right router
[01:38] <matt___> h3sp4wn: so, it has to be an atheros based router to work period at any functionality level?
[01:39] <h3sp4wn> matt___: No it will still work (probably better than any other card) at 54g
[01:39] <matt___> h3sp4wn: so is this the card that you use on an ubuntu laptop?
[01:41] <h3sp4wn> matt___: That is the best atheros card - there are others - I have one based on the same chipset but have other ubiquiti cards that are better than any other I have found yet
[01:41] <matt___> cool, so pretty much a guarantee of working then?
[01:42] <h3sp4wn> matt___: I know someone who has one that has it working with no problems
[01:42] <matt___> sorry, but I've been looking for good wi-fi for a long time, and want to be sure to get it right this time
[01:42] <matt___> thx
[01:42] <matt___> I'll give it a try
[01:43] <h3sp4wn> That with a suitable accesspoint uses 2 connections at the same time and autoswitches if one goes down
[01:43] <h3sp4wn> and balances the traffic between the 2 bands with no user intervention
[01:44] <stupendo44> how do I unload modules that I loaded with modprobe?
[01:45] <h3sp4wn> stupendo44: rmmod
[01:45] <matt___> would a d-link card have an Atheros chipset?
[01:46] <stupendo44> h3sp4wn, thanks. I also found out on my own just now that 'modprobe -r' does the trick
[01:46] <stupendo44> maybe I should use man more often :)
[01:46] <h3sp4wn> stupendo44: Some man pages are good some bad
[01:57] <MasterEvilAce> where's setting to make my hard-drive powerdown after a certain amount of time
[02:01] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> can someone tell me how to setup cleartype fonts?
[02:01] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> are there any sleartype fonts for linux then the ms fonts?
[02:03] <KDEfanboy> anyone running xgl with kde: how well is it working with KDE nowadays?
[02:04] <bipolar> good questiong KDEfanboy
[02:04] <bipolar> I've never tried it but often wondered
[02:05] <KDEfanboy> thx heh
[02:07] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> xgl runs really bad on kde using ati driver
[02:08] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> crashes ALL the time , unusable
[02:08] <cirrus_> I have no clue how to use IRC.  This should be fun ;)
[02:10] <sensei> VieLGuS-KuTaS: Run xgl ON kde?
[02:10] <KDEfanboy> i tried it back in february, i think it was... took a lot of effort to get going on my old gentoo system, and compiz had display artifacts, system tray problems, and didn't recognize multiple desktops... wonder if it's changed much. it was stable on nvidia drivers tho
[02:10] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> sensei: i tried it out a few weeks ago
[02:11] <h3sp4wn> Is compiz-kde working yet ?
[02:11] <sensei> Gah, I have some reading to do.. I always thought xgl was an x-server on its own
[02:11] <sensei> Not a program ran under a WM
[02:12] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> well it is a new xserver
[02:12] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> but it uses window decorations etc that messes it up
[02:12] <h3sp4wn> It is an x-server on its own but I wouldn't want to use the gnome windwos decorator
[02:12] <sensei> h3sp4wn: So one doesn't actually run xgl on kde?
[02:12] <stodge> When I click Home in Konq, I get an error:    Cannot find parent item file:///home in the tree. Internal error.
[02:12] <stodge> Any ideas what's wrong?
[02:13] <h3sp4wn> sensei: You run compiz - with xgl or aiglx
[02:13] <KDEfanboy> meant xgl server, compiz wm
[02:13] <h3sp4wn> at least some of aiglx is in xorg 7.1
[02:13] <sensei> h3sp4wn: I take that as a no and halts the reading plans
[02:14] <h3sp4wn> sensei: you run kde on xgl or xorg (with aiglx) and use a window decorator
[02:14] <sensei> Yeah, that makes more sense
[02:15] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> it works a lot batter on nvidia cards , if u have a ati card forget about using it with kde
[02:16] <h3sp4wn> VieLGuS-KuTaS: So are you using compiz-kde ?
[02:17] <larson9999> why do there continue to be linux users who buy ati cards?  they get them while they were windows users?
[02:17] <larson9999> or cheap from others who've switched?
[02:17] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> h3sp4wn: no , when i tried it compizkde was a mess ...so i didnt even bother
[02:27] <danl> what are someother good kde apps to install, so far i've installed superkaramba, kxdocker, yakuake...
[02:28] <sensei> kolf is crucial
[02:28] <larson9999> sensei: never heard of it.  guess i've been missing out
[02:28] <danl> already installed
[02:29] <sensei> larson9999: Oh yeah, can't do much work on a Linux station without kolf
[02:30] <danl> lol
[02:30] <larson9999> sensei: the golf game?
[02:30] <sensei> Indeed
[02:30] <danl> i find yakuake the most useful :-D
[02:31] <larson9999> is it good?  right now i just use nerverputt to get my mini-golf fix
[02:31] <sensei> Haven't really tried anything else, but I'm happy with it :)
[02:31] <sensei> danl: Tried Bukkake ?
[02:31] <larson9999> the neverball and foobilliard guys should get together and make a golf game
[02:32] <danl> hmmm... im thinking thats not a linux app
[02:32] <TheHighChild> LOL
[02:32] <sensei> danl: Hm, could be right :/
[02:32] <danl> lol
[02:32] <sensei> Should be though.. *gets the whiteboard*
[02:32] <larson9999> although i'd rather see the foobilliard guy get the rules to billiards right first
[02:32] <TheHighChild> Any 1337 folks using xgl?
[02:33] <larson9999> ok, here goes kolf
[02:33] <sensei> :)
[02:34] <sensei> Let's start a holywar between minigolf games  la firefox rules and opera sux
[02:35] <danl> lol
[02:35] <larson9999> oh, neverputt is better
[02:35] <sensei> That's so not true!
[02:35] <sensei> neverputt steals code from kolf!
[02:35] <sensei> And introduces new features in stable releases.. it suck!
[02:36] <danl> lol
[02:36] <larson9999> neverputt had tabbed mini-golf waaayyyy before kolf
[02:36] <vigilante> Trackball rules!
[02:37] <vigilante> Trackballs
[02:37] <sensei> Oh, how unexpected, a third zealot! :)
[02:38] <vigilante> hehe, I like Trackballs cause I was a MarbleMadness fan from nintendo days
[02:39] <sensei> Yeah, trackball's nice.. Haven't got the patience for it tho :/
[02:40] <larson9999> you know, lots of the kolf holes look a lot like the neverputt holes :)
[02:40] <vigilante> Just tried installing nvidia drivers per the wiki: I get this message http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17460 , help please?
[02:42] <sensei> vigilante: Just edit it by hand
[02:42] <sensei> Probably works anyways.. Although I'm guessing now, I really have no idea if nvidia-glx-config enable does anything other than altering xorg.conf
[02:42] <sensei> But what the heck, can't break anything :)
[02:43] <blake> Hey
[02:43] <Fiyawerx> sensei: famous last words
[02:45] <sensei> Fiyawerx: lol, true
[02:45] <vigilante> sensei: my xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17462
[02:45] <larson9999> that looks a lot like the message i'd get in mandriva when i'd have headers from a version of the kernel that didn't match the kernel actually running
[02:46] <larson9999> i suppose that's not the problem here though
[02:55] <oomph> do i need to edit my hosts.allow to allow SSH access?
[03:00] <h3sp4wn> oomph: openssh does not use tcp wrappers on ubuntu
[03:01] <oomph> ok... so what should i check
[03:01] <oomph> to connect to it
[03:01] <h3sp4wn> oomph: It just works by default if openssh-server is installed
[03:02] <oomph> when i try to connect it gives me a blank screen
[03:02] <h3sp4wn> Are you at the ubuntu machine now ?
[03:02] <oomph> i can be
[03:03] <oomph> im trying to help my friend across the WAN, he has his firewall open for me to connect to
[03:03] <oomph> hes running kubuntu
[03:03] <oomph> and did an apt-get install openssh-server
[03:03] <actinic> oomph, does he have port 22 open?
[03:03] <oomph> yes
[03:04] <h3sp4wn> The only thing I can think of is port forwarding if he is using it is not working properly
[03:04] <actinic> and you sure ssh is running on his end?
[03:04] <oomph> to my knowledge yes
[03:04] <actinic> as root he should do:  /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[03:05] <oomph> k trying now
[03:05] <oomph> he just did that command and its a no go
[03:06] <actinic> what's the error message?
[03:06] <oomph> from putty i get no error
[03:06] <h3sp4wn> oomph: sudo netstat -lpAinet (get him to do that) if he doesn't have something similar to tcp        0      0 *:ssh                   *:*                     LISTEN     2395/sshd (its not running)
[03:06] <oomph> just a blank screen that hangs
[03:07] <vigilante> got it working now, right monitor selected and nvidia drivers
[03:07] <actinic> error message from his end?
[03:08] <actinic> pc you're trying to connect to must run the /etc/init.d/ssh restart command
[03:08] <oomph> he just did and got nothing with sshd
[03:08] <actinic> got nothing?  no error message?
[03:08] <actinic> just a blank?
[03:08] <actinic> cursor blinking?  what?
[03:08] <oomph> yeah just blank
[03:09] <oomph> blinking curser
[03:09] <vigilante> what is the purpose of adept installer, vs adept package manager?
[03:09] <actinic> i think he hasn't installed
[03:09] <actinic> at least correctly
[03:10] <oomph> hrmm
[03:10] <oomph> let me check some things
[03:12] <actinic> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_install_SSH_Server_for_remote_administration_service
[03:12] <Fiyawerx> there's a guide for it?
[03:12] <oomph> k
[03:12] <oomph> thanks
[03:13] <oomph> if he had a wifi card and ethernet
[03:13] <oomph> could it be listening on wrong adapter?
[03:13] <oomph> sorry a bit new to linux still :)
[03:13] <h3sp4wn> It would bind to all interfaces by default unless specifically changed
[03:13] <oomph> ok
[03:15] <ueda> oi
[03:18] <actinic> what's with automatic preview?  I can't seem to disable it.  grrrrr
[03:20] <vigilante> how do I add new programs automatically to Kmenu (non kde ones don't show up)
[03:21] <larson9999> i didn't realize dick and jane was a remake.  watching the original now.  so seldom is there a remake that's even as good as the original.  let alone better.  why do they bother?
[03:21] <larson9999> vigilante: you can run kappfinder
[03:21] <vigilante> larson9999: that doesn't seem to be installed by default
[03:21] <larson9999> vigilante: maybe not.  install it then
[03:22] <vigilante> trudat
[03:22] <larson9999> if you want :)
[03:23] <vigilante> better than manually adding stuff, that should really be in kubuntu by default, and set to auto run after adept
[03:23] <larson9999> it never worked for me in mandriva but it seems to work find in ubuntu
[03:23] <vigilante> hmm, its not finding the programs I installed
[03:23] <larson9999> vigilante: oh well.
[03:24] <larson9999> i think it has to do with the directories they're installed in etc.  for instance ooo isn't picked up if you install from the ooo site
[03:24] <larson9999> but it picked up about 40 programs when i ran it
[03:29] <blake> Hey could someone help me with something simple?
[03:29] <oomph> getting connection refused error now
[03:29] <oomph> getting closer :P
[03:29] <blake> How do I make the windows transparent?
[03:30] <blake> Using Kubuntu
[03:30] <blake> Could anyone help me with that?
[03:30] <talljon84> Evening all -- If adept is giving an error about retrieving dapper-security Release.gpg on fetch updates, what is going wrong?
[03:31] <actinic> !gpg
[03:31] <ubotu> gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[03:32] <talljon84> Why would you need to do this for the Dapper security repository?
[03:33] <vigilante> how do I access the nvidia card settings panel in kubuntu?
[03:34] <h3sp4wn> talljon84: It should be in ubuntu-keyring
[03:35] <talljon84> h3sp4wn: this is a fresh kubuntu install. nothing has changed yet and this user is getting this the first time they try to load adept updates. i don't recall having to do anything on install, how come they need to now?
[03:35] <h3sp4wn> talljon84: They don't - It could be a server problem
[03:36] <oomph> is there a way to check with apt-get which repository your getting a certain package from?
[03:36] <cold> hmm why doesn't ubuntu have mkinitrd ?
[03:36] <Hawkwind> oomph: apt-cache policy <app>
[03:36] <blake> How do I make windows transparent?
[03:36] <cold> and how can I get it installed
[03:36] <blake> Anyone know ?
[03:37] <oomph> thanks
[03:37] <Hawkwind> blake: Depends on the app in question
[03:37] <blake> just the active window in Kubuntu
[03:37] <Hawkwind> blake: Or do you mean true transparency like making all of konqueror transparent ?
[03:37] <blake> yeah, true transparency
[03:37] <Hawkwind> blake: xcompmgr and transset is what you need to read about then
[03:37] <blake> thanks.
[03:37] <oomph> thanks hawkwind
[03:38] <Hawkwind> blake: That's handled through Xorg.
[03:38] <Hawkwind> oomph: No problem
[03:38] <blake> Ah
[03:38] <oomph> thats exactly the command i needed
[03:41] <groovis> hullo!
[03:41] <groovis> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=40920
[03:42] <groovis> what happens when you try to download that?
[03:42] <groovis> KDE opens a text editor on me.
[03:42] <groovis> I want the file to 'save as' instead...anyone else having this problem?
[03:42] <actinic> when I try ftp://username:password@ipaddress i get a 'could not connect to host"
[03:42] <actinic> any ideas?
[03:43] <actinic> this is trying to connect kubuntu to another linux box
[03:43] <actinic> within my lan
[03:43] <groovis> actinic: you did install ftp, yes?
[03:44] <actinic> yes, it shows as installed
[03:44] <groovis> do ftp 'ip address'
[03:45] <Hawkwind> actinic: Leave off the password part.  It should ask you for one IIRC
[03:45] <actinic> this is in konqueror by the way
[03:45] <groovis> so, anyone heard of my little KDE problem?
[03:46] <actinic> ftp "ip address" shows 'could not connect to host'
[03:46] <actinic> in my case ftp://<IP_ADDRESS>
[03:46] <groovis> no no
[03:46] <groovis> do it from a console
[03:46] <groovis> 'ftp <IP_ADDRESS>'
[03:46] <groovis> what's the error?
[03:47] <actinic> from console the error is: 'No such file or directory'
[03:47] <actinic> correction ...
[03:47] <actinic> error message is: 'bash: ftp://<IP_ADDRESS>: No such file or directory'
[03:48] <groovis> weird.
[03:48] <actinic> ftp <IP_ADDRESS> shows 'connection refused'
[03:48] <actinic> from console
[03:48] <groovis> then it's not set up.
[03:48] <actinic> at which end?
[03:48] <groovis> install it on kubuntu
[03:48] <groovis> apt-get install ftp
[03:49] <Hawkwind> groovis: I get a box that asks me if I want to save it to disk or open it with an app of my choice
[03:49] <groovis> er
[03:49] <groovis> wait.
[03:49] <groovis> Hawkwind: really?
[03:49] <groovis> Hawkwind: damn...mine opens my text editor.
[03:49] <Hawkwind> groovis: Yep.  Just like with any other download link
[03:49] <Hawkwind> groovis: Then you probably need to change your file associations
[03:49] <groovis> Hawkwind: I haven't touched them.
[03:50] <actinic> according to apt, 'ftp is already installed'
[03:50] <groovis> hang on.
[03:50] <actinic> '0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 7 not upgraded'
[03:50] <actinic> brb
[03:51] <groovis> Hawkwind: I have no file association in Konqueror for .deb files.
[03:51] <groovis> Hawkwind: I removed it.
[03:52] <groovis> Hawkwind: so KDE should ask me what I want to do with it...
[03:52] <Hawkwind> groovis: You doing this in konqueror ?
[03:52] <cold> can someone help me setup /etc/mkinitrd ?
[03:52] <groovis> actinic: http://www.linuxtopia.org/online_books/linux_beginner_books/unofficial_ubuntu_starter_guide/index_204.html
[03:53] <Hawkwind> groovis: Ahhh, it opens it in an editor here as well if I do it in konqueror
[03:53] <Hawkwind> groovis: I was using firefox so that's why it saves it
[03:54] <Hawkwind> That's why I don't use konqueror as a webbrowser but only as a file manager
[03:54] <blake> ah, krystal allows you to change the opacity and things
[03:54] <blake> great
[03:54] <Hawkwind> blake: What is krystal ?
[03:55] <groovis> Hawkwind: I know FF works...but it's too slow for me...
[03:55] <blake> the window decoration
[03:55] <groovis> Hawkwind: try that in Konqueror
[03:56] <Hawkwind> groovis: I did.  It opens up an editor
[03:56] <talljon84> Alright, so this is weird. This user is on a fresh Kubuntu install, can ping us.archive.ubuntu.com but apt-get update times out. I'm not having any problems updating. What are we missing?
[03:57] <Hawkwind> talljon84: Try archive.ubuntu.com instead
[03:57] <LeeJunFan> talljon84: have they a proxy set?
[03:57] <Hawkwind> talljon84: Or are you talking about during the install apt-get is timing out ?
[03:57] <talljon84> Hawkwind: ok. standby
[03:58] <talljon84> no proxy. it's just a normal home DSL connection
[03:58] <groovis> Hawkwind: ok...so make that stop. :)
[03:59] <Hawkwind> groovis: I have no idea how unless you set a file association for .deb files within konqueror/kde
[04:00] <groovis> Hawkwind: see that's the problem...I just want it to prompt me to 'save as' like it does in FF
[04:00] <groovis> Hawkwind: and it's driving me mad!!
[04:00] <LeeJunFan> talljon84: are you sure one wasn't set during setup by mistake? Check the /etc/apt/apt.conf file for proxy settings just in case maybe.
[04:00] <talljon84> good point. i'll have her check that
[04:03] <jebidiah> when i press ctrl+alt+f1 it just restarts my X instead of going to console?
[04:03] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> what is the purpose of the katapult?
[04:03] <jebidiah> Katapult is a Linux software utility that runs under KDE. It allow the user to quickly launch applications or open files by pressing Alt + space and typing the beginning of the file or application name. It's written in C++
[04:03] <jebidiah> It was inspired by Quicksilver for Mac OS X
[04:03] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> jebidiah: press ctrl+alt+f7 to go back to xserver
[04:04] <groovis> katapult rocks.
[04:04] <groovis> Yakuake is another good one.
[04:04] <jebidiah> VieLGuS-KuTaS: Yeah, I know that
[04:04] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> jebidiah: ok ,
[04:05] <Hawkwind> VieLGuS-KuTaS: He said the problem is that ctrl-alt-f1 restarts X.  It does NOT take him to a console
[04:05] <jebidiah> VieLGuS-KuTaS: for some reason, when i press ctrl+alt+f1 it _restarts_ my X instead of taking me to console
[04:05] <jebidiah> exactly
[04:05] <larson9999> does kwickview work with dapper yet?
[04:06] <larson9999> Hawkwind: happen to find out if apt-get works on partial names yet?  as far as i can tell it doesn't
[04:07] <Hawkwind> larson9999: Haven't looked
[04:07] <larson9999> apparently kuickview doesn't
[04:08] <vigilante> Does anyone else have the problem of non-kde programs not showing up in Kmenu when installed?  This is the first kde distro that Ive had this problem with... and kappfinder doesn't help
[04:10] <larson9999> vigilante: funny thing is that in mandriva i had that problem since the 90's but kubuntu is much better :)
[04:10] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> how do i install teh flash player for swiftfox under x64 , last time i installed itself through the web , but now it doesnt and when i want to install manually it sais it doesnt support x64
[04:11] <Hawkwind> vigilante: Works here, but then again I don't use KDE and see the menus there
[04:11] <Hawkwind> VieLGuS-KuTaS: Flash isn't available for 64Bit
[04:11] <vigilante> larson9999: I just tried mandriva, no problems...   I am using 128 WEP and it keeps asking for my password
[04:28] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> how can i move files in kde as root , without using console?
[04:28] <larson9999> angel12: right click on the clock and it's Adjust Date & Time Format
[04:30] <_steeldad_> yes
[04:30] <angel12> larson9999: where at?
[04:30] <nixternal> VieLGuS-KuTaS: alt+f2    type in      kdesu konqueror
[04:30] <larson9999> angel12: right click on the clock in the lower right hand corner.  then Adjust Date & Time Format
[04:30] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> nixternal: is that temporary or not?
[04:31] <h3sp4wn> VieLGuS-KuTaS: kdesu krusader (krusader is alot better than konqueror I think if you need graphical)
[04:31] <angel12> larson9999: yeah, but where in the config?
[04:31] <nixternal> until you close konqueror
[04:31] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> ok thanks
[04:31] <ubuntu> how do i browse a windows partione and a ffs partition in kubuntu
[04:32] <ubiquitous> ubuntu: ntfs u meant?
[04:32] <larson9999> angel12: oops! it's just 'Date & Time Format'
[04:32] <ubuntu> ubiquitous: yes one is ntfs, the other is ffs
[04:33] <ubiquitous> ubuntu: theree is no "ffs" filesystem
[04:33] <ubuntu> ??
[04:34] <larson9999> angel12: oops! it's just 'Date & Time Format' -> 'Time & Dates' -> 'Time Format' drop down -> select the on with AMPM
[04:34] <h3sp4wn> ffs is bsd
[04:34] <LjL> ... and amiga
[04:35] <h3sp4wn> But normally refered to as ufs
[04:35] <ubuntu> ok, so what should i call it?
[04:35] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu: Is it a freebsd partition ?
[04:35] <ubuntu> no it's a netbsd partititon
[04:36] <ubuntu> ok how do i access ntfs? i want to do it one by one
[04:36] <Kadran> hi all
[04:37] <Kadran> why updat-grub doesn't add my windows installation in the other harddisk, any ideas?
[04:38] <benkong2> does networkmanager.conf still require adding a policy for the non-privilidged user to work correctly in Kubuntu?
[04:39] <angel12> larson9999: thanks, i got it figured out right before i saw your message lol, i didnt play around enough
[04:41] <Kadran> why update-grub doesn't add my windows installation in the other harddisk, any ideas?
[04:42] <igalmarino> hola
[04:42] <ubuntu> anyone know how to access ntfs from kubuntu?
[04:43] <Kadran> ubuntu you can use capitive but it still beta
[04:43] <ubuntu> i'm now in kubuntu live cd(which is a pain)
[04:44] <ubuntu> it's soooooooo slow i don't know what's goin on
[04:44] <ubuntu> the cdrom keep running
[04:44] <Kadran> ubuntu: so i guess you can't install the capitive on it...
[04:44] <Kadran> install it on your hd it will work faster
[04:46] <Kadran> i have tried using capitive but it takes a long time to copy any thing to ntfs
[04:47] <ubuntu> well, i have two hard drive, one is ntfs, the other is netbsd ffs, or whatever you call it
[04:50] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu: I would probably call it ufs2
[05:04] <Cntryboy> Anyone know if apollon p2p program has a feature to turn off the download notification?
[05:25] <actinic> want to learn more about kubuntu?  Check this out ....
[05:25] <actinic> http://www.linuxloader.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=28
[05:25] <actinic> !!
[05:25] <ubotu> I know nothing about !!
[05:26] <actinic> 42 pages lol
[05:26] <Hawkwind> actinic: LinuxLoader.com is a great site.  I've known PDR60 for a while now since he and I both ran Mandrake/Mandriva and I've been a member of his site for a while
[05:26] <actinic> quiz tomorrow
[05:26] <actinic> :)
[05:26] <actinic> I saw that.
[05:26] <Hawkwind> I've got several posts on the forums there :)
[05:26] <actinic> Good job Hawkwind
[05:26] <actinic> i bookmarked you '10 tips' post
[05:27] <Hawkwind> actinic: Heh kewl.  I've also got a forum I run at http://LinuxForDummies.org/  which has some info on it too :)
[05:28] <actinic> author seems high on Adept
[05:28] <actinic> what's your feeling?
[05:28] <oomph> nice site
[05:28] <oomph> thanks for the link
[05:28] <Hawkwind> actinic: I've actually not read all of it yet.  But I do know PDR60 talks highly of Adept on the Mandriva Club Forums too
[05:29] <oomph> hawkwind: do you make use of the pinning function in apt?
[05:29] <oomph> for your source.list
[05:29] <oomph> i'm trying not to break my install :P
[05:29] <Hawkwind> oomph: No, but I know about it and should start using it one day.  I've just switched from Mandriva to Kubuntu about 2 weeks ago
[05:29] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> does if i can install ooo 2.0.3 rc7 from source on x64 kubuntu?
[05:29] <Hawkwind> oomph: Ahhh, all those sources are tested to not break an install
[05:30] <Hawkwind> oomph: I've got about 150 users using it and they have had no problems
[05:30] <maltron> hey all - ok, ubuntu crashed on me yesterday, and I wanna find out why.  It was a complete system lock-up.  kern.log said this: BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0!
[05:30] <bobstro> has the kde artwork app disappeared in dapper? i loved that thing.
[05:30] <Hawkwind> oomph: Only sources that might cause a problem that you can easily comment out are the Compiz and XGL sources
[05:30] <maltron> sorry, I'm using kubuntu, but it shouldn't make a difference.  Dapper, by the way
[05:31] <Hawkwind> maltron: Did you look in /var/log/messages for anything referencing it ?
[05:31] <oomph> what do you like more about kubuntu over mandriva?
[05:31] <maltron> Hawkwind: I've saved all the logs, but what does the "reference" look like?  What am I supposed to look for?
[05:32] <Hawkwind> oomph: About the only thing I like 'over' Mandriva is the speed of the package manager.  Though I don't know apt-get like I know urpmi, it's tons faster than urpmi is.
[05:32] <Hawkwind> oomph: Plus I like the size of the community and the backing it has financially.  Plus so far it seems really stable and even a bit faster overall on the same system I ran Mandriva on
[05:32] <larson9999> oomph: i like the philosophy of ubuntu more.
[05:32] <Hawkwind> maltron: Have you put that into google and see what it returns ?  That reference error ?
[05:32] <larson9999> hawkind is it faster?  i didn't notice
[05:33] <oomph> yeah, i just began using linux this monht
[05:33] <oomph> month
[05:33] <larson9999> i have a slow system so you'd think i'd notice
[05:33] <maltron> Hawkwind - I'll check now
[05:33] <oomph> right when dapper came out
[05:33] <Hawkwind> larson9999: A bit.  Not super fast, but it is slightly noticable
[05:33] <oomph> been trying to decide on mepis or kubuntu
[05:33] <bur[n] er> happily using kubuntu?
[05:33] <larson9999> Hawkwind: if you can't put in partial names, i think i might prefer urpmi
[05:33] <Hawkwind> oomph: Kewl kewl.  I've been using it for 4 1/2 years.  Started with Mandrake and used it ever since then.  I did test other distros a bit but always had Mandrake/Mandriva as my main OS
[05:34] <oomph> i think im gonna go kubuntu because of the larger community base
[05:34] <Hawkwind> larson9999: That doesn't bother me since I know how to use apt-cache search
[05:34] <larson9999> Hawkwind: things in kde seem to work better, too.
[05:34] <oomph> although there are some things i really like about mepis
[05:34] <actinic> Hawkwind: ever try PCLinuxOS?
[05:34] <danl> is there an easy way to get java installed for firefox?
[05:34] <Hawkwind> oomph: I ran the largest 3rd party RPM repository for Mandriva at http://SeerOfSouls.com/ which gets millions of hits per month.  I'm trying to learn deb packaging so I can expand SoS a bit
[05:35] <oomph> yeah, i much prefer kde over gnome
[05:35] <danl> i have the jdk installed and usable for this user, but not the plugin for ff
[05:35] <mebsd> me too
[05:35] <mebsd> kde rocks
[05:35] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> yup
[05:35] <bobstro> oomph:  i really liked mepis, but it seems to have deviated far enough from debian for a few things to break. at least that was my impression.
[05:35] <larson9999> Hawkwind: aha, that will do it.  i knew there was something
[05:35] <Hawkwind> actinic: Yes.  I didn't care for it mainly because it was such a small community and such.  Plus Texstar comes from Mandrake as well and he lives about 20 minutes from me.  He was pushed out of Mandrake for several reasons
[05:36] <oomph> well the new mepis 6.0 is based on kubuntu
[05:36] <actinic> there's still a few annoying bugs with KDE and Kubuntu
[05:36] <mebsd> if i install kubuntu on hard drive, will it see the already existed netbsd ffs?
[05:36] <actinic> Hawkwind: as you've prob noticed the PCLOS community is rapidly growing
[05:36] <maltron> Hawkwind: all I can find out from Google is that that messages about the soft lock up doesn't seem to usually result in a crash
[05:36] <larson9999> Hawkwind: your site sucked
[05:36] <larson9999> jk
[05:36] <bobstro> oomph:  i last tried it about a year ago. what have they changed from kubuntu?
[05:36] <maltron> Hawkwind: maybe it's something else...
[05:37] <maltron> Hawkwind: but it did happen at the time of the crash
[05:37] <Hawkwind> actinic: Yep.  I've got a couple of users in my #LFD (help channel for the http://LinuxForDummies.org/ site) that are part of the PcLinuxOS team actually
[05:37] <larson9999> actinic: such as?  i've found it to be better than kde+mandriva
[05:37] <maltron> Hawkwind: there was also a mention about Skype doing something
[05:37] <oomph> bob: right now its very similiar to kubunu using many of the same repositories
[05:37] <mebsd> how much space kubuntu need?
[05:37] <actinic> larson9999, here's a demonstration ....
[05:37] <oomph> they have some additional system control panel tweaks
[05:37] <oomph> and a few different packages
[05:38] <Hawkwind> larson9999: Though you used SoS all the time IIRC :P
[05:38] <oomph> already installed
[05:38] <actinic> drag & drop a *.txt file from konq to the desktop
[05:38] <maltron> Hawkwind: I'm using the new Skype Beta, but even if it crashed it shouldn't have taken the system down.
[05:38] <Hawkwind> maltron: It's possible it might have.  Beta software is known to do pretty much anything
[05:38] <oomph> anyone know where i can find some asci drawing for my motd :P
[05:38] <actinic> the test file on the desktop is in 'preview' mode
[05:38] <actinic> there's no way to disable preview mode
[05:39] <larson9999> Hawkwind: yeah your site rocked.  will i be getting debs from you too?
[05:39] <Hawkwind> larson9999: I'm learning to build deb packages so hopefully soon. I do have Xchat-2.6.4 that I built that is now part of Edgy
[05:40] <bobstro> oomph:  text or drawings?
[05:40] <maltron> Hawkwind: yeah, but surely an os like linux should just take it in its stride?  When I say lock up, I mean I couldn't do anything.  couldn't go back to an ascii terminal, couldn't log in remotely -nothing
[05:40] <oomph> bob: either is cool
[05:40] <bobstro> oomph:  figlet lets you do the "big print" stuff using ascii chars
[05:41] <Hawkwind> maltron: I've had xmms totally lock up the system before.  It 'can' happen.  Beta software makes it even more believeable
[05:41] <oomph> not familiar with that
[05:41] <maltron> Hawkwind: it was just like those agp lockups i used to get with the proprietary radeon drivers (I use the open source ones onw)
[05:41] <oomph> i just want a penguin or something
[05:41] <oomph> heh
[05:41] <maltron> Hawkwind: in fact there was something about the agp in the logs too
[05:41] <bobstro> oomph:  lots of fonts you can install. good for motd and such. also, there's at least one image-to-ascii program out there, but i'm not sure if there's a deb in the repositories.
[05:41] <actinic> hey guys, i've got some pretty nice wallpapers for the taking if you're interested:  ftp://oberon.gotdns.com/Wallpaper/
[05:42] <maltron> Hawkwind: wow, who would've though?
[05:42] <larson9999> actinic: the disable flag doesn't work if you log off and back on?
[05:42] <bobstro> if only i could get the kde artwork program back!
[05:42] <actinic> larson9999: nope
[05:42] <larson9999> actinic: i might never have noticed that
[05:42] <maltron> Hawkwind: is it worth reporting a bug?  And to whom?
[05:43] <Hawkwind> maltron: If you report it it needs to be to skype pesonally since it's their software
[05:43] <oomph> i just installed figlet
[05:43] <oomph> does anyone know if there is a way to start a KDE session to a PC from a windows box?
[05:43] <bobstro> oomph:  hmm. a quick search in synaptic reveals there are quite a few ascii art toys!
[05:43] <bobstro> oomph:  as in a terminal services session?
[05:44] <oomph> yes, more or less
[05:44] <actinic> anyone installed Istanbul?  <-- captures screen sessions
[05:44] <bobstro> oomph:  what do you mean "kde session"?
[05:44] <oomph> somethign other than vnc
[05:44] <larson9999> what's the deathmatch ascii game?  it looked pretty cool
[05:44] <oomph> like a client that can connect to the xserver
[05:44] <bobstro> oomph:  you could run x apps with cygwin.
[05:44] <oomph> ohh
[05:44] <actinic> larson9999: there's other stuff too, mostly annoyance
[05:44] <maltron> Hawkwind: I'm not yet 100% sure it was Skype though - gaim was the program that crashed, skype itself kept going for a bit.  About the AGP, here's the very last thing that kern.log said before the reboot:[drm]  Loading R200 Microcode
[05:45] <maltron> Hawkwind: I have a radeon mobility 9200
[05:45] <oomph> is cygwin pretty fast?
[05:45] <AmazingRuss> oomph:  look into vmplayer
[05:45] <maltron> Hawkwind:I'm not sure why it had to load the "R200" microcode
[05:45] <AmazingRuss> get the vmware demo, and you can create a kubuntu vm
[05:45] <bobstro> larson9999:  don't know that one, but it seems there's a ski jumping game using ascii artwork!
[05:45] <AmazingRuss> then run it free with the player
[05:45] <jimmy__> I have a simple question
[05:46] <jimmy__> for anyone
[05:46] <larson9999> oomph: i've used freenx with a no machine client from windows xp.  it's faster than tightvnc and free.
[05:46] <bobstro> AmazingRuss:  that'll run linux on the windows box, but not access a remote linux box. at least not directly.
[05:46] <oomph> i have vmware i don't need to run kubuntu in a virtual machine
[05:46] <oomph> its my host OS
[05:46] <oomph> on my laptop but my gaming pc is still windows
[05:46] <jimmy__> by the way... THANX VECTER
[05:46] <bobstro> oomph:  vnc no good for you?
[05:47] <actinic> i'm tempted to change the kernel ... currently running 386 ... on an Opteron!
[05:47] <larson9999> oomph: yeah, that setup lets you connect remoting from windows.  gives you an x windows.  that not what your looking for?
[05:47] <oomph> vnc is alright but im looking for other options that maybe out there
[05:47] <oomph> yes larson, i think ill check that out
[05:47] <oomph> sound along the lines of what id be looking for
[05:48] <jimmy__> will bittorrent run in kde
[05:48] <jimmy__> ?
[05:48] <jimmy__> \?
[05:48] <oomph> will it work over ssh?
[05:48] <oomph> jimmy use ktorrent
[05:48] <larson9999> oomph: yeah.
[05:48] <jimmy__> thank you
[05:48] <oomph> welcome
[05:48] <actinic> Opera 9 has a built-in bit torrent and works great
[05:49] <oomph> yeah the new opera isn't bad either
[05:49] <mebsd> opera sux
[05:49] <actinic> love the widgets too: http://widgets.opera.com/
[05:49] <actinic> incl the bittorrent widget
[05:49] <oomph> larson will it work on a windows client?
[05:49] <mebsd> i use bitcomet, it's the best
[05:49] <larson9999> oomph: it took me a whole weekend to figure out how to setup it up but i'm a moron.  forgot what site i found that finally put it into english for me.
[05:49] <actinic> mebsd: using ver 9?
[05:50] <oomph> well if you happen to find it again shoot me the link
[05:50] <larson9999> oomph: yes.  freenx is the oss linux server part and the windows client is no machine.  the no machine windows client is free
[05:50] <AmazingRuss> I'm having intermittant shutdown problems...x goes black, but the console don't come up.  Anybody have ideas?
[05:50] <mebsd> actinic no i don't use opera
[05:51] <orient2000> Hi there. I need some help. apt-get update E Type http://www.beerorkid.com/automatix/apt is not known on line 32 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:51] <actinic> mebsd: ok, i'll assume the 'sux' comment was for effect :)
[05:51] <oomph> larson: is this what you are refering to?
[05:51] <larson9999> oomph you probably won't have issues.  i do a lot of things like skip steps on accident that trip me up a lot.
[05:51] <oomph> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/freenx-knx
[05:51] <AmazingRuss> orient...did you put that line in yourself?
[05:51] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> what is the command to specify which jave to use as default?
[05:51] <orient2000> I can not run adept or update manager, can not open adept cache
[05:52] <oomph> larson: you're forgetting i'
[05:52] <mebsd> there's free firefox and avantor, why need opera
[05:52] <larson9999> oomph: yep.
[05:52] <oomph> ve only used linux less than a month
[05:52] <oomph> heh
[05:52] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> and swiftfox
[05:52] <actinic> opera's free too plus speed and greater rendering and ...
[05:52] <orient2000> Yes I did put this line myself into list.
[05:52] <AmazingRuss> orient: do you need it?  If not, just stick a # in front of it
[05:52] <oomph> larson: is it available via apt-get?
[05:52] <actinic> firefox is getting bloated
[05:53] <larson9999> oomph: well, you could get hawkwind to get it working on his system and then tell you how.  he's pretty good with newbies
[05:53] <larson9999> :)
[05:53] <mebsd> ok i'm downloading opera. i'll tell you what i think
[05:53] <mebsd> firefox got extension though
[05:53] <orient2000> Ok but I can not save it because I do not have privilages. I do nkow how to edit. I am the only user.
[05:53] <oomph> brb im gonna go buy beer and i got 5 mins before they stop selling
[05:53] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> opera is pretty cool , but i prefer swiftfox over them all
[05:53] <oomph> gotta haul ass
[05:53] <actinic> i'm running this irc chant on Opera too
[05:53] <Frederick> folks anyone got a cool colos scheme for konsole?
[05:54] <actinic> er chat
[05:54] <mebsd> opera is bloat too. why would a browser need irc?
[05:54] <AmazingRuss> go to a console and run sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:54] <larson9999> oomph: i haven't look but i wouldn't be surprised if there was a nice site talking about how to set it up in ubuntu.  i recently switched from mandriva and haven't set it up in ubuntu yet
[05:54] <AmazingRuss> will prompt you for password...yours will probably work
[05:54] <actinic> because it's a tab just like web sites ... easy access
[05:54] <mebsd> opera got everything, mail, irc, browser, but none of them are really good
[05:55] <actinic> lol mebsd, give the newest version a chance
[05:55] <AmazingRuss> Dont do it man!  Opera gave me genital warts!
[05:56] <mebsd> ok
[05:56] <actinic> lol, there's a vaccine for it now
[05:56] <larson9999> opera is fine.  but i'm penalizing them for taking so long to go ad free
[05:56] <AmazingRuss> norton?
[05:56] <actinic> nothing cures norton
[05:57] <AmazingRuss> :(
[05:57] <larson9999> norton! oh god
[05:57] <actinic> norton is the only prog which is worse than the problem
[05:58] <actinic> short of windows geniune advantage :)
[05:58] <AmazingRuss> it solves a problem that isnt mine
[05:58] <AmazingRuss> windows lives in a vm and doesnt touch the internet on my machine
[05:58] <AmazingRuss> and it dont get updated either
[05:59] <actinic> still running 98, eh?
[05:59] <orient2000> I can see the list file but I do not understand bottom commands. How I edit it in nano?
[05:59] <AmazingRuss> sometimes I poke it with a stick and giggle
[05:59] <AmazingRuss> know how to get a termina screen up?
[06:00] <AmazingRuss> terminal that is
[06:00] <actinic> start > run > console or somethin?
[06:00] <AmazingRuss> konsole
[06:01] <AmazingRuss> we're not good spellers
[06:01] <actinic> u got dat rite
[06:01] <larson9999> oomph: hey, i don't think that is the one i used.  i think i used the one without the knx.  not that the knx won't work.
[06:01] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> al bi rajt bak
[06:02] <orient2000> I am in console and in nano but I can not type or anything.
[06:02] <actinic> orient2000: don't use nano
[06:02] <AmazingRuss> hit ctrlc
[06:02] <actinic> nano is good if you're not running X
[06:02] <AmazingRuss> tryin to get him sudoed
[06:02] <Frederick> wich is the command for solve deps in debian? I'm lazy I know
[06:02] <orient2000> ok  be it sudoed.
[06:02] <AmazingRuss> ok..try this...once you are out of nano.....type sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:03] <AmazingRuss> more civilized i guess
[06:03] <actinic> otherwise try: or kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:03] <actinic> scratch the 'or'
[06:03] <AmazingRuss> kwrite is the tool of satan!
[06:03] <actinic> at kate is his whore!
[06:04] <actinic> lol
[06:04] <AmazingRuss> :P
[06:04] <AmazingRuss> zealot
[06:04] <orient2000> sudoed  /etc/apt/sources.list  ? command not found.
[06:04] <AmazingRuss> nope...like this
[06:04] <AmazingRuss> sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:04] <larson9999> holy smokes! i bought these metal soldier figures from a yard sale for $1 and it looks like they'll bring $200+ on ebay
[06:05] <larson9999> or use the best editor, xe!
[06:05] <larson9999> :)
[06:05] <AmazingRuss> infidel!
[06:05] <actinic> no, vi :)
[06:05] <AmazingRuss> freak!
[06:05] <AmazingRuss> vi makes the baby Jesus cry
[06:05] <oomph> i made it
[06:05] <oomph> got the beer with a minute to spare
[06:06] <actinic> ok orient2000, how you doin?
[06:06] <orient2000> I did sudo ed I am in and do not see anything how to quit with no changes?
[06:06] <larson9999> vi is fine.  but seriously, if you're in a shop with mainframe converts, give xe a try.  they'll be much happier that with vi.  and the price is right.
[06:06] <actinic> just close the window
[06:06] <AmazingRuss> ctrl d
[06:06] <AmazingRuss> you help him...im confusing the situation :)
[06:07] <actinic> you certainly are :)
[06:07] <actinic> poor guy
[06:07] <orient2000> OK I am out I go for sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:07] <AmazingRuss> even though my way is obviously better
[06:07] <actinic> talkin of freaks!
[06:07] <AmazingRuss> good call orient
[06:08] <AmazingRuss> freaks make the world go round
[06:08] <actinic> that's what he gets running automatix .... hehe
[06:08] <AmazingRuss> there is a gigantic freak treadmill at the center of the earth
[06:08] <actinic> yes, occupied mainly by gentoo users
[06:08] <AmazingRuss> hehe
[06:08] <actinic> :)
[06:08] <actinic> still doin stage 1 installs
[06:09] <actinic> going around in circles
[06:09] <AmazingRuss> their gigantic brains all a-throb
[06:09] <larson9999> i was going to install gentoo, then i found out there is less to compile if you run LFS
[06:09] <actinic> really?
[06:09] <actinic> but you start from .... um, scratch
[06:10] <actinic> yeah, that's the ticket
[06:10] <larson9999> actinic: just a little joke
[06:10] <AmazingRuss> i've thought about it...would be a very educational experience
[06:10] <actinic> sorry, slow tonight :)
[06:10] <AmazingRuss> like the time i put my tongue on a street sign in winter
[06:10] <actinic> closest I came was installing Arch
[06:11] <Mez> actinic - use bzr instead :P
[06:11] <actinic> yikes!
[06:11] <larson9999> i did install linux from scratch. in 2000 or 2001 i think.  maybe 2002.  took me forever to get just a basic system setup.
[06:11] <s0v3r1gn> hey Im having trouble mounting my additional Hard drives
[06:12] <AmazingRuss> maybe if you bought them flowers first
[06:12] <Mez> s0v3r1gn, what trouble (and why the l337 - it makes my eyes hurt)
[06:12] <AmazingRuss> talked to them a bit
[06:12] <actinic> s0v3r1gn: fdisk -l baby!
[06:12] <AmazingRuss> lol
[06:12] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> when using java alternative command , what file should be used from jre5 to set as default?
[06:12] <s0v3r1gn> I dont buy flowers for my mounts, they buy my flouers
[06:12] <actinic> show us what ya got!
[06:12] <touchisha> better nick?
[06:13] <AmazingRuss> yes...refined, yet subtly oriental
[06:13] <orient2000> I am fine now. Thanks. I knew I screw up with this last line. I need to learn more about editing programs.
[06:13] <AmazingRuss> right on
[06:13] <touchisha> same meaning, japanese
[06:13] <actinic> even with Russ' help huh?
[06:13] <actinic> congrats
[06:13] <larson9999> i like the l33t nick better
[06:13] <AmazingRuss> kate saved the day!
[06:14] <actinic> that who.. :)
[06:14] <orient2000> I have some errors. Maybe somebody could take a look? Where can I paste it? I never did it before.
[06:14] <actinic> !pastebin
[06:14] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[06:14] <AmazingRuss> kwrite would have resulted in system annihilation
[06:14] <Mez> !tell orient2000 about pastebin
[06:14] <actinic> how 'bout kedit.  ok?
[06:15] <touchisha> so Im pretty new to linux... cough...  so um I cant get my 2 extra HDDs to mount right. any idea?
[06:15] <actinic> hey Mez i'm 3 lines ahead of ya :)
[06:15] <larson9999> good night
[06:15] <AmazingRuss> know what device/partition your drives are?
[06:15] <actinic> see ya
[06:15] <actinic> brb
[06:15] <AmazingRuss> lie /dev/hda1 or somesuch?
[06:15] <Mez> actinic, cept I use the nbice version
[06:15] <AmazingRuss> er..like
[06:15] <touchisha>   /dev/hdb1 and /dev/hdd1
[06:16] <mebsd> shlt how can i stop opera's builtin torrent client, it sux
[06:16] <AmazingRuss> ok...got a directory named /mnt?
[06:16] <touchisha> have them mounted to /mnt/hd1 and /mnt/hd2
[06:16] <AmazingRuss> k...whats the problem?
[06:16] <touchisha> but cant view the contents
[06:16] <Mez> touchisha, if they're mounted whats the problem ?
[06:16] <AmazingRuss> prolly rights
[06:16] <AmazingRuss> go to a terminal and do sudo -s
[06:17] <AmazingRuss> then try to look at em
[06:17] <touchisha> I tried to add them to fstab and they didnt mount on boot, have to mount manually
[06:17] <AmazingRuss> what is one of the fstab entries?
[06:18] <touchisha> ... /dev/hdb1       /mnt/hd1        ntfs    noauto,user,owner 0 0
[06:18] <Mez> touchisha, what filetype are they ?
[06:18] <touchisha> ntfs
[06:18] <Mez> touchisha, ntfs = read only in linux
[06:18] <AmazingRuss> the noauto maybe?
[06:18] <Mez> it's not safe to write to them
[06:18] <touchisha> crap
[06:18] <AmazingRuss> ntfs is the file system of satan!
[06:18] <touchisha> still cant see the files as user
[06:19] <AmazingRuss> but you can as root?
[06:19] <touchisha> hurm cant after reboot
[06:19] <orient2000> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17519 some strange errors. Any good advise what could it be?
[06:19] <SpAwN> touchisha: if u write to a ntfs partion u will serverly corrupt it and the data on it
[06:19] <AmazingRuss> try mount /mnt/hdb1
[06:20] <AmazingRuss> shoudl pick it up from fstab
[06:20] <touchisha> says it cant mount it
[06:20] <Mez> touchisha, you need to like - set the user it mounts as
[06:20] <Mez> you only using a one user system ?
[06:20] <touchisha> bah they are mounted now under some tmp folder
[06:20] <touchisha> yea
[06:21] <Mez> touchisha, one sec lemme look something up
[06:21] <touchisha> k
[06:21] <AmazingRuss> I think thats normal
[06:21] <touchisha> I unmounted it from the /tmp/ and remounted it to /mnt/hd1/ cant see files
[06:22] <touchisha> wait there they are
[06:22] <AmazingRuss> orient...does that for me too.  I don't worry about it cuz kate runs ok
[06:23] <Mez> touchisha, paste your fstab line for it
[06:23] <touchisha>   /dev/hdb1       /mnt/hd1        ntfs    noauto,user,owner 0 0
[06:24] <Mez> change it to
[06:24] <Mez> actually
[06:24] <Mez> do you know the user id of your user
[06:24] <touchisha> no
[06:24] <orient2000> I am not worry too much about it. Kate runs fine and everything is OK. I think I have these errors after installing java and perl. Thanks.
[06:24] <Mez> ok
[06:24] <Mez> do this:
[06:24] <Mez> sudo grep username /etc/passwd
[06:25] <Mez> (where username is replaced by the username of your user)
[06:25] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> how do i use the update-java-alternatives ?  i know where i installed jre but dont know how to make it default ,
[06:25] <AmazingRuss> i think you need to symlink it
[06:25] <touchisha> ok
[06:26] <AmazingRuss> well, I've spread enough disinformation for one night...farewell!
[06:26] <Mez> paste that line to me (it wont containt a password)
[06:26] <touchisha> so I get "touchisha:x:1000:1000:Joshua Ferguson,,,:/home/touchisha:/bin/bash"
[06:26] <Mez> ok
[06:26] <Mez> thats simple
[06:26] <Mez> your  current fstab line is
[06:26] <Mez> /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hd1 ntfs noauto,user,owner 0 0
[06:27] <Mez> change it to
[06:27] <Mez> /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hd1 ntfs noauto,user,owner,uid=1000 0 0
[06:27] <Mez> sorry - change it to
[06:27] <moparisthebest> does anyone know how to share files on a local network?
[06:28] <Mez> /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hd1 ntfs auto,user,uid=1000 0 0
[06:28] <moparisthebest> when i right click the file and click sharing, it only lets me click a button that says configure sharing
[06:28] <Mez> moparisthebest, depends on how you want to share it
[06:28] <moparisthebest> then i type in the root password, and a window comes up with everything greyed out, i can only click ok or cancel
[06:28] <moparisthebest> just so i can access the file from my laptop Mez
[06:28] <touchisha> ok ill reboot and brb =p
[06:30] <Mez> moparisthebest, windows laptop ?
[06:30] <moparisthebest> yes
[06:30] <moparisthebest> is that possible?
[06:31] <Mez> yeah
[06:31] <Mez> sudo apt-get install samba
[06:31] <Mez> is your first step
[06:33] <touchisha> woot that worked
[06:33] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> how do i use the update-java-alternatives ?  i know where i installed jre but dont know how to make it default ,
[06:33] <touchisha> thanks
[06:34] <moparisthebest> ok Mez i think i got it, booting up the laptop right now :)
[06:34] <Mez> touchisha - no problem - had the same thing myself
[06:35] <Mez> moparisthebest, you need to share it and stuff - but it should all be sorted now
[06:35] <Mez> make sure you set samba up with the right workgroup
[06:37] <moparisthebest> ok Mez i got it shared and everything, and I can see it from the windows laptop in the right workgroup
[06:37] <moparisthebest> but it wants a username and password to connect
[06:38] <moparisthebest> ive tried my username and pass and also root, but niether one works
[06:38] <Mez> ok - you need to open kcontrol ...
[06:38] <moparisthebest> ok
[06:38] <Mez> and in there there are network settings or something similar - and then theres like - a samba section
[06:38] <Mez> look in there
[06:38] <Mez> and tell me what you see (or send a screenshot to imageshack)
[06:40] <moparisthebest> should it be set to simple sharing or advanced sharing?
[06:40] <moparisthebest> and the samba section your talking about is different for each folder shared right?
[06:40] <Mez> no theres a like - thing to set it up
[06:40] <Mez> I think it's in advanced
[06:40] <Mez> I cant remember
[06:41] <Mez> can you send a screenshot of it to imageshack.us
[06:41] <Mez> and then I can se
[06:41] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> how do i use the update-java-alternatives ?  i know where i installed jre but dont know how to make it default ,
[06:41] <orient2000> I am in adept. What does it mean complet update?
[06:43] <ABACVS> lo all
[06:49] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> orient2000: means it just installed all the ipdates
[06:50] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> ABACVS: lo
[06:56] <ABACVS> ...just got done installing kubuntu, needless to say I'm a n00b to linux in general.  I have two hard drives in my compy and while I was running knoppix, the drive was detected and mounted, 'cept kubuntu is seeing it, but not mounting it.
[06:56] <unix_infidel> arso_: where are you looking?
[06:57] <unix_infidel> erm ABACVS
[06:57] <ABACVS> I'm getting this error: "mount: can't find /dev/hdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[06:57] <ABACVS> I have two questions... What does that mean, and how do I fix it >:(
[06:57] <unix_infidel> ABACVS: its looking for a partition by the name of hdb1, meaning the first partition on the slave disc.
[06:58] <unix_infidel> ABACVS: do cat /etc/mtab to see which partitions are mounted.
[06:59] <unix_infidel> and WHERE they are mounted...knoppix may have put them in /mnt but ubuntu might have put them in /media
[06:59] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> how do i use the update-java-alternatives ?  i know where i installed jre but dont know how to make it default ,
[07:03] <unix_infidel> LOL, heat wave in london according to the BBC.
[07:03] <ABACVS> the last (and only line) with a reference to a hard drive says "/dev/hda5 /boot ext3 rw 0 0"
[07:03] <unix_infidel> when temps are about 70F for the last week.
[07:04] <ABACVS> *after running cat
[07:13] <ABACVS> ...so how do I get my slave drive to mount?
[07:14] <DaSkreech> With a Stirrup
[07:15] <ABACVS> ahh yes...  I should pick up some of those soon.
[07:15] <unix_infidel> ABACVS: you should read up on the naming conventions and how mount works.
[07:16] <DaSkreech> !mount
[07:16] <ubotu> Disks store lots of data. Partitioning: try gparted or qtparted  - Formatting: see the manpage for mkfs  - Mounting: system -> administration -> disks
[07:16] <unix_infidel> ABACVS: more pertinent though is figuring out which partition is which in relation to the linux naming schemes (eg: /dev/hdb1 vs. /dev/hdb2)
[07:16] <unix_infidel> oh yea, i forgot some people actually use gui's for this stuff.
[07:16] <DaSkreech> Someone should really change that :(
[07:17] <ABACVS> GUIs are for us Win and Mac converts.   I've managed to keep Mac from poisioning my home... except for iPod.
[07:24] <mebsd> where does pppoeconf script store the pppoe information?
[07:30] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> someone tell me how to set the sun java to default
[07:34] <ABACVS> ummm.. how do I get back to the prompt after using the man pages?
[07:35] <DaSkreech> q
[07:35] <ABACVS> damn.  I thought is was something simple like that.
[07:35] <ABACVS> thank you.
[07:36] <DaSkreech> back back forward forward up left punch
[07:36] <DaSkreech> Should finish it :)
[07:37] <ABACVS> I tried standing on my head and doing a kooky dance...  but the monitor just stared at me like always.
[07:38] <DaSkreech> Oh you can't face the monitor when doing that
[07:38] <ABACVS> ok.. so "q" and headstand + kooky dance -not facing monitor-
[07:38] <ABACVS> this "linux" thing...  who knew!?
[07:39] <DaSkreech> Yeah the monitor likes a bit of moon now and again
[07:39] <DaSkreech> well You can add a patch that will accept ballroom dancing :)
[07:40] <Ertain> Hello everyone.  I have an update on cupsys, but it says that it can't update and I don't exactly know why.
[07:40] <ABACVS> I'm not too thrilled about the latest version of the ballroom dancing patch.
[07:42] <Ertain> Hmm, apparently the files haven't been uploaded, or I can't get them.  Strange.
[07:42] <DaSkreech> You use the source .. Erm Luke?
[07:42] <railk> has anyone else got problem installing the most recent updates?
[07:42] <Ertain> Right here.
[07:44] <railk> you also get "There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break the packages" (from the adept updater)?
[07:45] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> does anyone know where the update-alternatives config file is?
[07:46] <robotgeek> VieLGuS-KuTaS: should be in /etc/alternatives
[07:46] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> robotgeek: TY
[07:48] <Ertain> Crap, I don't have an /etc/alternatives.
[07:50] <robotgeek> Ertain: hmm, weird
[07:51] <Desh> How do I see how many monitors my laptop is set up to use?
[07:51] <Ertain> What are some of the alternatives, then?
[07:51] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> robotgeek: do u know how to specify a path for sudo update-alternatives --config java?  because it doesnt see my java install
[07:51] <Desh> B/c fglrx will not work and I think it is b/c it thinks I have 2 monitors since ATI Control Panel lets me adjust settings for 2 screens.
[07:52] <robotgeek> VieLGuS-KuTaS: don't have access to my machine right now, so maybe "man update-alternatives" might help
[08:00] <indieross> im haveing some screen resolution issues with ubuntu can anyone help me out
[08:00] <ABACVS> allright - I got the salve device to mount, moounted it to /dev/windows (It used to be my main compys heart - but I "upgraded" to a larger HD).  How do I tell if it's read-only?  I tried using all hte switches and stuff the kubuntu readme said, but it wasn't mounting.
[08:00] <indieross> it wont let me set it to 1280x1024
[08:00] <ABACVS> so I just used the regular mount command without all the extra parameters
[08:01] <ABACVS> nm
[08:01] <ABACVS> I found it.
[08:02] <Ertain> So I guess the official Ubuntu update servers aren't working?  How does one use an alternative server?
[08:03] <[Nige] > anyone been abple to get Mplayer working with kubuntu? pre8??
[08:05] <Ertain> I've been able to get Mplayer to work.
[08:05] <Ertain> Yep, seems to be working.
[08:06] <[Nige] > where you able to compile it. do you did you get a deb package?
[08:06] <Desh> How do I disable a 2nd monitor? In the system settings I can see a 2nd monitor options even tho I dont have one.
[08:08] <[Nige] > !mplayer
[08:08] <ubotu> No fonts in mplayer? Install mplayer fonts. Codecs: see !codecs
[08:10] <tobias_> Hello! I have problems with my Plextor SATA DVD under Dapper. Every 4 s I got a lot of error messages as long no DVD is in the drive.
[08:11] <Ertain> I got the Mplayer pack.
[08:15] <hhhjr> evening, can someone suggest a channel where a newbie can get some help? please
[08:15] <mebsd> #newbie
[08:15] <[Nige] > aptwhere did you get the mplayer pack?
[08:16] <charlene> any singaporean here
[08:17] <DaSkreech> charlene: O-T?
[08:17] <charlene> OT means?
[08:18] <DaSkreech> !offtopic
[08:18] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[08:19] <DaSkreech> In case this is an offtopic chat
[08:19] <charlene> ah....oh
[08:22] <hhhjr> Ok maybe someone can help me here, I am trying to install firefox in draper and it ask me to install the kubuntu draper 6.06 disk , and I did but it keeps telling me to install it. I tried to remove the reference undre the repository management but it comes back?
[08:22] <hhhjr> is there a way to get it to install from the web?
[08:24] <ABACVS> thanks evry1 for your help.  I'm gonna crash now.  It's time to sleep.  Better luck with Linux tomorrow.
[08:24] <DaSkreech> hhhjr: You need to enable your repos
[08:25] <DaSkreech> ABACVS: Night
[08:26] <hhhjr> ok I have tried but if I edit it it always reverts to the way it was first installed
[08:27] <DaSkreech> hhhjr: How are you editing them?
[08:27] <[Nige] > f@#$King mplayer
[08:27] <hhhjr> under adept  manage repositories
[08:29] <DaSkreech> hhhjr: So you click on them then click enable?
[08:30] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> does anyone know how to change the directory in which the update-alternatives --config java looks for available java clients?
[08:30] <hhhjr> I have and also disabled and even tried to remove the cd repository but it goes back to the configuration it was
[08:31] <hhhjr> I cant even use the apt-get in a root terminal
[08:32] <hhhjr> well thanks amnyhow I am giving up for tonight
[08:35] <DaSkreech> hhhjr: can you open it in kate?
[08:37] <stoic_> no i can't
[08:38] <DaSkreech> Um
[08:38] <DaSkreech> Hi stoic_?
[08:38] <stoic_> hi
[08:39] <DaSkreech> Were you talking to me?
[08:39] <geneo91> need a little help with grub
[08:39] <stoic_> im not sure, i thought you where answering my question
[08:39] <geneo91> !grub
[08:39] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[08:40] <stoic_> well at either rate, would anyone know how to fix a partition problem with an external hard drive?
[08:40] <geneo91> maybe testdisk can fix it
[08:41] <DaSkreech> Whats the problem?
[08:41] <geneo91> DaSkreech:  what do you know about grub
[08:41] <DaSkreech> That it's tasty :)
[08:41] <geneo91> well leme explain this mess
[08:41] <stoic_> well actualy what happened was, i formatted my external hard drive with QTparted, and my computer does not recognize the device now
[08:42] <stoic_> and when i went into ect/fstab to change the format type, there was no trace of the device
[08:42] <DaSkreech> stoic_: ooer :( try Gparted instead? qtparted is a little less mature
[08:42] <DaSkreech> geneo91: Listening
[08:42] <stoic_> ok
[08:43] <geneo91> i have kubuntu on first drive second partition and installed it again on second drive 1st partition then installed mandriva but i cant get to kubuntu on second drive
[08:43] <stoic_> im using kde not gnome
[08:44] <DaSkreech> geneo91: ah man grub.conf and edit as needed
[08:44] <kkathman> geneo91: why so many installs?
[08:44] <DaSkreech> stoic_: You can still install it
[08:44] <kkathman> DaSkreech:  Im not sure that mandriva uses grub does it?
[08:44] <kkathman> I was pretty sure they still use lilo
[08:44] <geneo91> DaSkreech:  this one on first drive was from old machine
[08:44] <DaSkreech> Ah that would explain a bit wouldn't it?
[08:45] <lowtech> olilo is mandriva default, but it gives the choice of grub
[08:45] <kkathman> right, mandriva just overwrote the MBR
[08:45] <geneo91> and its not really for this motherboard
[08:45] <kkathman> so hopefully geneo91 made a copy of his grub lst and he can restore that
[08:46] <geneo91> be nice if it would do same as install some how
[08:46] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> ok , quick question , i installed the latest java jre, but i want to install it in a different directory , how do i remove the java i installed??
[08:46] <kkathman> geneo91:  well, you need to be much more careful on what a distro uses to boot
[08:47] <geneo91> kkathman:  what good would that do this machine doesn't have the 6 scsi drives
[08:47] <DaSkreech> VieLGuS-KuTaS: How did you install the first one?
[08:47] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> DaSkreech: i downloaded the java .bin package and run the installer
[08:48] <DaSkreech> ah.. erm I think they have an uninstall walkthrough in the readme for that
[08:48] <geneo91> !java
[08:48] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the runtime Sun Java install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[08:49] <rockbelle> Hi, I can't connect to my wireless access point, but it works in Windows.  Does Kubuntu by default support wireless cards?
[08:49] <DaSkreech> Night all
[08:50] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> see u
[08:50] <rockbelle> Anyone?
[08:53] <raphink> very quiet this morning
[08:56] <rockbelle> Does anyone know about wireless support on kubuntu?
[08:57] <kkathman> geneo91: ??
[08:57] <blake> Hi
[08:58] <kkathman> geneo91:  you know that every time you install a distro, it writes an MBR right (in fact all OSs do)
[08:58] <geneo91> sorry was doing some reading
[08:58] <geneo91> kkathman:  yes i do
[08:59] <kkathman> well when you installed mandriva, it didnt recognize the other installs, and overwrote the MBR for itself, I reckon.
[08:59] <geneo91> i usually write grub to root but over looked it when i installed 2nd kubuntu
[09:00] <kkathman> its peculiar to mandriva...most other major distros can see those installs and write a grub listing for them
[09:00] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> how can i get the sudo update-alternatives to rescan the folders for java installations?
[09:00] <kkathman> geneo91:  that wouldnt have made NO difference if you installed mandriva last
[09:00] <geneo91> yeah mandrive dont like other linux installs
[09:00] <kkathman> correct
[09:01] <geneo91> see the only way i'm able to get to kubuntu on first drive is because its is in root
[09:02] <kkathman> geneo91:  when you boot your system now, what comes up?
[09:02] <geneo91> but sawping to new machine was the difference
[09:02] <geneo91> lilo same as always
[09:02] <kkathman> yah I hate lilo
[09:03] <geneo91> kkathman:  i had 7 distros on the other machine
[09:03] <kkathman> seems excessive..but whatever
[09:04] <oomph_> can windows write to a linux file server running samba using the ext3 file system?
[09:04] <geneo91> any way i need to install grub in root of second drive
[09:04] <blake> grub is a pain :(
[09:05] <kkathman> on the contrary...grub is very easy and straighforward
[09:05] <kkathman> but geneo91 you need to get the grub on the MBR I think, if you want to get all the kubuntus back
[09:05] <geneo91> na
[09:06] <kkathman> ok whatever
[09:06] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> is there a way to edit sim links?
[09:06] <geneo91> just for second install then i will replace first with something else
[09:06] <centyx> hi. when i try to run firefox, I get an error beginning with the line "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 157." This just started happening, I'm not sure what's up.
[09:07] <centyx> kde applications give the same error, but launch anyway
[09:07] <centyx> if run from a terminal
[09:07] <blake> Why are Opaque windows biggy with Kubuntu? I've been having problems with them
[09:07] <blake> buggy*
[09:08] <geneo91> kkathman:  i went from dual p3 to dual p4 xeons
[09:11] <centyx> hm.
[09:11] <centyx> not much activity at this hour eh.
[09:12] <oomph_> :)
[09:12] <oomph_> can windows write to a linux file server running samba using the ext3 file system?
[09:13] <centyx> oomph_: over samba yes, and there is also an ext3 driver for windows too if you want to try that
[09:13] <centyx> I would go with the first
[09:13] <centyx> if that's possible
[09:13] <oomph_> nice
[09:13] <oomph_> what is the driver called?
[09:14] <oomph_> how about riserfs?
[09:14] <centyx> not sure
[09:14] <centyx> I've seen the driver used in some file manager program.. total commander? or something like that. some shareware prog. not sure if there's a standalone version or not.
[09:14] <oomph_> ok
[09:15] <oomph_> ill STFW
[09:15] <oomph_> for it
[09:15] <oomph_> thanks
[09:15] <centyx> np
[09:15] <centyx> i've got to quit X to try to fix this, bbiab
[09:16] <oomph_> k
[09:26] <centyx> is this error a bad sign? kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!
[09:27] <centyx> argh the default console resolution in kubuntu is terrible
[09:29] <oomph> anyone use webmin on kubuntu?
[09:31] <bimberi> nixternal: ping
[09:31] <nixternal> booyah bimberi
[09:31] <nixternal> i have been waiting for you
[09:31] <bimberi> nixternal: hi, i saw your hackergotchi question ...
[09:32] <nixternal> hehe ya
[09:32] <nixternal> i want to put one up for Ubuntu chicago
[09:32] <bimberi> nixternal: just add /+edithackergotchi to the url for team's launchpad page
[09:32] <nixternal> sweet
[09:32] <centyx> is it normal to not have an /etc/ld.so.conf?
[09:32] <nixternal> thanks a ton
[09:32] <bimberi> nixternal: np :)
[09:33] <nixternal> i owe you a beer if we ever meet ;)
[09:33] <geneo91> kkathman:  i got into it
[09:33] <centyx> bleh
[09:34] <bimberi> nixternal: done :)
[09:37] <touchisha> ok im back for more newbie questions
[09:37] <touchisha> i need to install the Nvidia 3d accelerator
[09:38] <touchisha> for that I need to change my run level
[09:38] <touchisha> or somethign like that
[09:46] <blondie_> hoola
[09:49] <_rince_> mrgn
[10:01] <cps1966> woot even got grub installed on second drive
[10:16] <fek> moin
[10:16] <uniq> hi.
[10:17] <Sakunix> *wave at all the wonderful people*
[10:17] <Sakunix> hi all
[10:18] <Sakunix> 228 people in channle and no hello
[10:18] <Sakunix> whats up here
[10:18] <jude> Hi all, I am new to linux and wonder if you could help me
[10:18] <Sakunix> jude: I can try my best
[10:18] <Sakunix> bit like blind leading the blind but
[10:19] <jude> just installed kbuntu on a mac but had to do the text install
[10:19] <Sakunix> I am relativly new to it too
[10:19] <serenity> hiho
[10:19] <jude> I can now startx but I would like it to boot straight to graphics and then log on, any ideas
[10:19] <Sakunix> no idea about mac and am currently installing Kubuntu myself for the first time ahaha
[10:19] <Sakunix> hmm
[10:20] <serenity> what will happen when you boot without cd?
[10:20] <jude> I think I need to amend one of the conf files but not sure which one
[10:20] <jude> the install is fine
[10:20] <Sakunix> there is options in the guis control panel to have a gui login aint there?
[10:20] <jude> I am in it now but when I log out it returns to text
[10:20] <chunLaptop> hellllo
[10:21] <Sakunix> there is an option somewhere to change that I have seen it
[10:21] <chunLaptop> yea there's auto logon is that what you're asking about?
[10:21] <Sakunix> not auto login
[10:22] <Sakunix> but starting the xserver then loging in
[10:22] <jude> chunLaptop: \i would like it to boot up in graphic mode and then log in as a user
[10:22] <Sakunix> I understand what you want to do jude but I dont have the knowledge to give you a solution
[10:22] <komputer> hii
[10:23] <komputer> hi
[10:23] <serenity> hmmm...graphical logon ist done by gdm
[10:23] <jude> Sakunix: many thanks, perhaps the others may have an idea
[10:23] <serenity> hi
[10:23] <chunLaptop> it doesn't boot into graphic mode when it boots up?
[10:23] <komputer> hai serenity
[10:23] <jude> no it is in text mode untill I startx
[10:23] <jude> after I have logged in
[10:24] <Fira> hi
[10:24] <jude> hi
[10:24] <uniq> jude:
[10:24] <jude> uniq: yes?
[10:24] <uniq> jude: try 'sudo apt-get install kdm;dpkg-reconfigure kdm'
[10:25] <chunLaptop> well, if you go into system settings and click on user management, goto the convienience tab, enable Auto-Login    that will log you in when you type startx i think
[10:25] <jude> uniq: I have installed KDM and it appears
[10:25] <uniq> jude: but?
[10:25] <jude> fine just not able to select it on logon
[10:26] <jude> as it boots straight to gnome
[10:26] <uniq> jude: i don't follow. KDM should start when you start your computer.
[10:26] <uniq> ah..
[10:26] <uniq> GDM starts instead of KDM?
[10:27] <chunLaptop> you purposely made it boot to console jude?
[10:27] <jude> it may be because I did the text install. I could not do the graphic install on the mac as the graphics went blank each time
[10:27] <jude> it was the default install for the alternative install cd
[10:28] <uniq> jude: does it boot to console, or does it boot to GNOME?
[10:28] <jude> it boots to console
[10:28] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> can someone please help me set the default java
[10:28] <chunLaptop> you can edit an rc file to make it autoboot into graphical, err forgot which rc file -_-
[10:28] <uniq> jude: ok, is KDM installed?
[10:29] <jude> yes
[10:31] <uniq> jude: and you want KDM to start when you boot?
[10:31] <jude> yes so Others can log in graphically
[10:32] <uniq> jude: ok, try, 'update-rc.d kdm defaults;dpkg-reconfigure -plow kdm'
[10:33] <jude> 2 secs
[10:34] <Fira> hallo
[10:34] <jude> what is the run as cmd
[10:34] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> doesn anyone know how to set the sun java as default when the alternative doesnt see it?
[10:34] <uniq> jude: sudo
[10:34] <jude> uniq: ta
[10:35] <uniq> jude: 'sudo update-rc.d kdm defaults;sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow kdm'
[10:36] <jude> it says kdm not installed....starange used synaptic to install it
[10:38] <jude> brb, just trying something
[10:39] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> doesn anyone know how to use the cleartype fonts?
[10:44] <uniq> jude: try 'sudo apt-get install kdm'
[10:57] <RawSewage> how do you synch the clock
[10:57] <RawSewage> besides rebooting
[10:58] <RawSewage> nm
[10:58] <RawSewage> I figured it out
[11:35] <flaccid> like ubuntu, has kubuntu started including opera?
[11:35] <Lynoure> Hmmm
[11:36] <Lynoure> It seems much harder to install HP laserjet 1022 on kubuntu than it was on debian unstable.
[11:36] <cristiano> hello people how to tell Realplayer to use USB headphone and not the main soundcard? even on the browser plugin
[11:36] <aeon17x> flaccid: nope, you still have to install it separately.
[11:37] <flaccid> ok cool
[11:37] <flaccid> well cool, but not cool!
[11:37] <flaccid> what is the default window manager for ubuntu anyway/
[11:38] <cristiano> flaccid: ubuntu uses gnome, kubuntu kde
[11:39] <flaccid> damn
[11:39] <flaccid> so gnome ended up getting opera before kde, that sux
[11:39] <cristiano> IMHO firefox is better than opera
[11:40] <flaccid> opera 9 supports bit torrent and now has widgets
[11:40] <flaccid> yeah i use both
[11:40] <cristiano> lol
[11:41] <cristiano> maybe u'll find opera in the kubuntu repository too, i'll look for it
[11:42] <flaccid> k
[11:42] <Lynoure> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=193258 makes me feel sad. Getting HP Laserjet 1022 to work in sarge took about 3min
[11:42] <cristiano> btw anyone to help me with the prob about realplayer?!?
[11:44] <cristiano> flaccid: no opera in the repos, sry
[11:44] <flaccid> npz
[11:45] <chunLaptop> firefox isn't better it crashes w/ the flash plugin in ubuntu ><
[11:46] <cristiano> chunLaptop: here i never had a crash with firefox and flash on kubuntu
[11:48] <liku> Hello.
[11:48] <Lynoure> What username&password does CUPS web interface expect in kubuntu? my username&password does not seem to work
[11:49] <Lynoure> hmm, nevermind, might have typoed twice
[11:49] <chunLaptop> only some flash sites, try logging into myspace and visiting a few people's sites
[11:49] <liku> I have a question: how to limit number of simultaneous downloads in apt-get?
[11:50] <ilmaurizio> i think it depends on how many sources u have in sources.list
[11:50] <chunLaptop> you mean adept, if you just use the apt-get tool in konsole it downloads sequentially
[11:51] <liku> chunLaptop: The problem is that it does - I have like 5 downloads right now.
[11:51] <Lynoure> nope... seems that it really does not want my normal username and password there. But what, then?
[11:51] <chunLaptop> you try root?
[11:52] <chunLaptop> most programs use root as the login name for admin stuff
[11:52] <Lynoure> chunLaptop: root has no password enabled
[11:52] <Lynoure> chunLaptop: I haven't change that ubuntu default
[11:54] <chunLaptop> are you accessing cups web interface?  you should try printers in system settings
[11:55] <Lynoure> chunLaptop: I tried that first, but the printer didn't end up printing
[11:56] <chunLaptop> i think you have to add a root password to use the cups admin interface, i usually do that on my clarkconnect linux server
[11:57] <ville> hello..
[11:57] <Lynoure> chunLaptop: Wizard claims the file was sent to the interface, but nothing happened (and yes, test page from printer's test page button did print and cables are connected)
[11:57] <ville> how can I burn an image in run lvl 2?
[11:58] <ville> -.-
[11:59] <chunLaptop> 2 is bash prompt right? i think command's cdrecord
[12:00] <chunLaptop> printer webpage test button you mean?
[12:00] <chunLaptop> <Lyn
[12:01] <ville> chunLatop But how can I burn with cdrecord
[12:01] <ville> that's the prob
[12:01] <Lynoure> chunLaptop: No, didn't get that far on the web side because of the password thing
[12:02] <ville> sorry dc
[12:02] <cristiano> damn guys i need to know how to tell apps which sound device they should use, pls!!!!!
[12:02] <ville> so what should I type to burn the image?
[12:02] <whiskous> Hey all. I just tried to install Kubuntu but how do i make it install in the free 5gb space that i got on my HDD ?
[12:04] <chunLaptop> not sure Lyn, i remember having a similar problem and checking linuxprinting.org to get it working
[12:04] <railk> ville: cdrecord dev=/dev/... image.iso (i think)
[12:04] <railk> the ... is of course the device...
[12:04] <ville> railk thanks
[12:04] <whiskous> hello?
[12:04] <Lynoure> chunLaptop: I remember it taking all 3 minutes in debian sarge. So I'm getting a bit disappointed in ease of Kubuntu :(
[12:05] <railk> ville: you could try man cdrecord....
[12:05] <ville> railk it says no write mode specified
[12:05] <railk> check the man
[12:05] <ville> what?
[12:06] <railk> enter "man cdrecord" ...
[12:06] <ville> o
[12:06] <Lynoure> hmm ubuntu has older hplip...
[12:06] <chunLaptop> yea i know what you mean Lyn, this distro isn't as refined as it claims to be =X but it's one of the more popular right now
[12:06] <railk> you need to specify something like -sao or -tao i think
[12:06] <railk> or -dao
[12:06] <whiskous> How do i make Kubunty install on the free 5gb disp space on my HDD? The remaining 4 partitions; sda1,2,3,4 are Windows while sda-1 is free space. I selected it but then i have to choose where to mount it and i only hAve sda1,2,3,4 and NOT sda-1 which is th<
[12:06] <whiskous> Kubuntu*
[12:06] <Lynoure> chunLaptop: popularity does not make it any better... quire the other way around :)
[12:08] <whiskous> Hello ? :S
[12:08] <chunLaptop> yes i totally agree, i didn't say this was the best, i use it because i know there is a forum like this where i can ask and give help =p
[12:09] <ville> omg..
[12:09] <railk> ?
[12:09] <ville> it just whines something
[12:09] <ville> so much text
[12:09] <cristiano> so no clue about how to tell my apps which sound device to use?
[12:10] <whiskous> damn
[12:10] <whiskous> will someone please answer my question?
[12:10] <ville> why cant these linuxes be simple..
[12:10] <railk> cristiano: sound device? or sound engine?
[12:10] <chunLaptop> oh hey cristiano, you mean like to use digital output?
[12:10] <ville> and those manuals.. lol I cant understand anything
[12:10] <railk> lol
[12:11] <railk> what the heck is wrong with the updater? ....
[12:11] <cristiano> chunLaptop: i mean: i have a soundcard and a USB headphone set, how can i tell my apps (like flightgear, realplayer and so on) to use USB instead of the soundcard?
[12:12] <ville> argh
[12:12] <ville> c'mon someone
[12:12] <ville> tell me exactly what do I have to type to burn that
[12:12] <ville> image
[12:12] <chunLaptop> usb headphone? so it is its own soundcard?
[12:12] <cristiano> yep but i have also the onboard AC97 soundcard
[12:12] <Lynoure> Is there a hplip 0.9.9 (or possibly newer) available fore ubuntu somewhere, or do I need to take my chances with the debian package or compiling my own?
[12:13] <cristiano> and it seems like all my apps (which don't have a sound conf tool) use the AC97 instead of USB headphone
[12:13] <ville> .....
[12:13] <ville> simple problem but no answers
[12:14] <railk> yeah y'know i'm kinda used to using some gui for burning discs...
[12:14] <chunLaptop> cristiano> google for using two soundcards in linux,  oh yea check if your usb sound card is working too
[12:15] <ville> railk, yea I kinda would use too if I could get that gui somehow
[12:15] <Whisky`> How do i make Kubunty install on the free 5gb disp space on my HDD? The remaining 4 partitions; sda1,2,3,4 are Windows while sda-1 is free space. I selected it but then i have to choose where to mount it and i only hAve sda1,2,3,4 and NOT sda-1 which is the free space
[12:15] <ville> Im tryin to burn newer version
[12:15] <Whisky`> meh
[12:15] <ville> I have some oldie
[12:15] <Whisky`> anyone willing to answer?
[12:16] <chunLaptop> Lyn>if it's not on the repository, i'd try to find an ubuntu 6.06 package, if not then source
[12:16] <railk> hmm ville, your cdrecord might still use dev=0,0,0 or similar... start by running cdrecord -scanbus
[12:16] <cristiano> chunLaptop: usb is working well coz i can hear system sounds, the problem is that some apps don't use them too!
[12:16] <Whisky`> you guys suck
[12:16] <ville> railk, then what?
[12:17] <gatekeeper> Whisky`: sda1,2,3,4 are windows sda1 is free? huh?
[12:17] <railk> what is the X,X,X of your burner?
[12:17] <Whisky`> like, wtf, ive been asking for the last 15 minutes and no ones answering
[12:17] <Whisky`> gatekeeper: SDA-1 .... it has a -
[12:17] <chunLaptop> whisky, what's your free partitions?
[12:17] <ville> it doesnt say anything about that
[12:17] <Whisky`> sda-1
[12:18] <railk> ville: http://nic.phys.ethz.ch/readme/30 , section 2
[12:18] <ville> I cant open browser..
[12:18] <railk> apt-get links
[12:18] <ville> o
[12:18] <railk> or elinks
[12:18] <Whisky`> ahh screw it
[12:18] <gatekeeper> Whisky`: use the installer, when it comes to partitioning select manual partition put ext3 on sda-1 etc etc
[12:18] <railk> apt-get install* :P
[12:19] <ville> railk I cant because dpkg has some probs
[12:19] <ville> it just freezes
[12:19] <chunLaptop> well take that partition and delete it splitting it into something like 3 gig for /, 1 gig for swap, 1 gig for /home
[12:19] <railk> yours has too?
[12:19] <railk> gah
[12:19] <ville> I cant do anything
[12:19] <railk> well then
[12:19] <ville> If I could just burn that cd I could reinstall
[12:19] <railk> what do you get when you run sudo cdrecord -scanbus
[12:19] <ville> the same thing
[12:19] <railk> some list of devices?
[12:19] <gatekeeper> Whisky`: no point losing your temper doesn't impress people
[12:19] <ville> *WARNING* you're running linux 2.5 etc
[12:19] <Whisky`> It says, Select the partition you want to use for your new instalaton and where you want to mount each of them. and all it gives me is the choice of sda1,2,3,4 and NOT sda-1.
[12:20] <ville> no device lists
[12:20] <chunLaptop> man whisky i'm a slow typer, just trying to help
[12:20] <Whisky`> np
[12:21] <gatekeeper> chunLaptop: isn't sda1 == sda-1?
[12:21] <chunLaptop> that's not a standard name, it should just be in sda1,2,3,4
[12:21] <Whisky`> sda-1 is free space
[12:21] <chunLaptop> if it's on another hard drive it would be sdb1
[12:21] <ville> bah
[12:21] <railk> ville: i give up. no idea
[12:21] <ville> I'll install mandrake..
[12:21] <gatekeeper> Whisky`: I would go for that, if that is what it says :-)
[12:22] <railk> yeah
[12:22] <ville> then I dload that thing
[12:22] <ville> then I burn it
[12:22] <ville> ^
[12:22] <ville> ^
[12:22] <ville> damn keyboard
[12:22] <railk> lol
[12:22] <gatekeeper> Whisky`: make it a ext3 partition and march onward I would guess
[12:22] <Whisky`> i cant create it
[12:22] <Whisky`> ill just use windows
[12:22] <ville> damn that some friends of my lil brother
[12:23] <Whisky`> linux sucks, like alwas
[12:23] <Whisky`> :)
[12:23] <ville> fukin freeks
[12:23] <Whisky`> byeee
[12:23] <Whisky`> thanks
[12:23] <chunLaptop> damn it
[12:23] <ville> that one speaks to him self
[12:23] <ville> and screams like a retard
[12:23] <ville> ..........
[12:23] <ville> -_-
[12:23] <ville> I'll install mdk now
[12:23] <ville> cyas for now
[12:24] <gatekeeper> ville: agree ttfn
[12:24] <railk> cya ville
[12:24] <chunLaptop> hey ville, use a live CD
[12:24] <ville> I have a live cd actually
[12:24] <ville> what do I do with that?
[12:24] <railk> boot from it
[12:24] <ville> ok wait up
[12:24] <railk> put it in drive, reboot :P
[12:24] <chunLaptop> there's a boot parameter toram ? i think it's called
[12:25] <gatekeeper> ville: need to go into bios to make CD first thing to boot from
[12:25] <chunLaptop> google it,  but yea if you load to ram, then you can use your CD drive
[12:25] <railk> he cant google
[12:25] <railk> aint got no text-mode browser installed
[12:25] <railk> and dpkg isn't working for him either...
[12:26] <railk> (as it isn't for me atm...)
[12:26] <chunLaptop> oh lynx or links doesn't come default ><
[12:26] <railk> indeed
[12:27] <railk> O_O its working...
[12:27] <chunLaptop> well it should actuallly give you the options when you boot to the CD presss F1 for help
[12:27] <xanax`> hello
[12:27] <railk> lo
[12:28] <codeRat> hi, I want to install netbeans...where should I install it?I'm new to kubuntu and don't know where is the best place to put it..
[12:30] <codeRat>  /opt ?
[12:30] <fridolin5879> hello
[12:33] <Villelol> ok
[12:33] <Villelol> now Im on live
[12:34] <Villelol> anyone her?
[12:34] <Villelol> here*
[12:34] <chunLaptop> ok ville, can you eject the CD?
[12:34] <Villelol> how do I mount that hd in this live?
[12:34] <Villelol> chunlaptop, no :|
[12:34] <Villelol> shiat
[12:34] <Villelol> ok that's it..
[12:35] <chunLaptop> that's what the toRAM was for, unless you have 2 cd drives?
[12:35] <Villelol> toRAM?
[12:35] <chunLaptop> how many cd drives do you have?
[12:35] <Villelol> 1
[12:35] <chunLaptop> and you want to burn to a CD?
[12:36] <D4m4ge> hello all
[12:36] <Villelol> yeap
[12:36] <Villelol> image
[12:36] <Villelol> isnt there any way to store that live cd in to ram?
[12:36] <chunLaptop> yes
[12:36] <chunLaptop> that's what i was saying toram
[12:36] <Villelol> what is it?
[12:36] <chunLaptop> i think you probably left the channel while i said that =p
[12:36] <Villelol> yea
[12:37] <Villelol> what is toram?
[12:37] <Villelol> well.. wait up
[12:37] <chunLaptop> it's a boot parameter,
[12:38] <Villelol> I have 786Mb ram is it enough to use toram?
[12:39] <Villelol> I cant find anything from google
[12:39] <Villelol> no faqs about toram
[12:39] <chunLaptop> i haven't tried it w/ this distro, but it should be
[12:40] <Villelol> how can I use it
[12:41] <Villelol> anyone know?
[12:41] <chunLaptop> i'm not sure if they have it w/ kubuntu live cd, but
[12:41] <chunLaptop> what you do is when you restart
[12:42] <chunLaptop> and it gives you a few seconds to press something,
[12:42] <chunLaptop> there's usually a F1 for help screen that shows up how to use toram and other boot parameters
[12:43] <zorglu1> chunLaptop: what is toram ?
[12:43] <SonicChao> This is probably stupid question...I run multiple sessions, (Ubuntu, installed 'kubuntu-desktop') and why in the world does Konversation and GIMP open when I boot to KDE?
[12:43] <zorglu1> SonicChao: likely because you had them open when you quitted the last kde session
[12:44] <SonicChao> zorglu1: That makes a difference in KDE?...........hm.............
[12:45] <chunLaptop> zorglu, some distros can load their livecd to their ram w/ a boot parameter called toram
[12:45] <Villelol> chunlaptop so I reboot and just press f1
[12:45] <zorglu1> chunLaptop: ah ok. thanks for the info
[12:46] <chunLaptop> yea i think so ville, it should say something like F1 Help or something
[12:46] <chunLaptop> and i'm not sure that this distro has toram or not! ><
[12:46] <Villelol> ok ^
[12:46] <Villelol> I'll try
[12:46] <Villelol> brb
[12:48] <zorglu1> i am installing windowxp on a kubuntu via qemu... crossing finger :)
[12:48] <zorglu1> it would be so nice :)
[12:49] <BazziR> zorglu1 if that doesnt work try vmware server
[12:50] <chunLaptop> we have windows running in vmware at my university runs ok~ kinda slo no 3d accel
[12:51] <zorglu1> well i dont want to spend money :)
[12:51] <BazziR> you can enable 3d acceleration though
[12:51] <BazziR> zorglu1, vmware server is free
[12:51] <zorglu1> BazziR: oh i try to get this info from their web site but i couldnt go thru all the buzzwords
[12:52] <BazziR> zorglu1: Products -> FREE Virtualization -> VMWare Server there you go
[12:52] <BazziR> if you'd like to try it anyway
[12:52] <zorglu1> ok thanks
[12:56] <chunLaptop> ok i'm going to sleep, gooodnight
[12:57] <gatekeeper> goodnight
[12:58] <chunLaptop> if ville comes back and it doesn't work, just tell him to use the live cd, connect to his homenetwork, or a thumbdrive and transfer whatever image he has to it
[12:59] <chunLaptop> that's to whoever's awaaake =p
[12:59] <railk> huh, who? ;)
[01:14] <sensei> Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main xserver-xorg-input-synaptics 0.14.3+seriouslythistime-0ubuntu3 [67.7kB]
[01:14] <sensei> Heh, nice package name
[01:14] <sensei> Or, build, w/e
[01:17] <ville-pekka> okies I installed the mandreka
[01:17] <ville-pekka> mandrake|
[01:17] <ville-pekka> damn it
[01:17] <zorglu1> damn, the marketing done during the window installation is better than linux one
[01:17] <ville-pekka> american keyboard layout -.-
[01:18] <luca_b> zorglu1: I don't know if it would be feasible to display any using the livecd install
[01:18] <zorglu1> luca_b: why not ?
[01:18] <ville-pekka> ';
[01:18] <ville-pekka> god damn it
[01:18] <ville-pekka> no scandinavian letters -,-
[01:18] <ville-pekka> bah
[01:19] <luca_b> zorglu1: Well, I think it would clutter more, (personal opinion)
[01:19] <railk> you coulda chosen the kb layout sometime probably, ville-pekka
[01:19] <zorglu1> luca_b: those are only simple text. the point is more how they are written. very user oriented. 'work anytime, anywhere' 'music and entertainment just got better'
[01:19] <ville-pekka> railk it chosed this layout when I chose the language for this Os I think
[01:19] <railk> ah
[01:19] <ville-pekka> I couldnt choose it by my self
[01:19] <ville-pekka> the layout
[01:20] <railk> its the kind of distro that doesn't seperate language and kb layout... annoying
[01:20] <zorglu1> luca_b: a lot more sexy than 'installing vnc server' and 'amarok now use last.fm stream' :)
[01:20] <ville-pekka> I took american/english lang even though I could've chosed the finnish
[01:20] <luca_b> zorglu1: You are right. Anyone knows how long is the livecd install procedure?
[01:20] <railk> ville-pekka: which desktop manager are you using?
[01:20] <luca_b> it *is* on topic, but I also think all that marketing blurb stays on a lot because win install can be slow
[01:20] <zorglu1> luca_b: nope. what is the relation with anything ?
[01:20] <ville-pekka> desktop manageR_
[01:21] <ville-pekka> ?
[01:21] <ville-pekka> Im on gnome now
[01:21] <luca_b> zorglu1: because of the time needed for install I mean
[01:21] <railk> meh dunno how to change the layout in gnome
[01:21] <railk> but i'm sure its possible
[01:22] <zorglu1> luca_b: well this is a time when the user doesnt do anything but waiting in front of the screen. seems like a good time to present the os to him
[01:22] <railk> .. somewhere, somehow
[01:22] <ville-pekka> ubuntu,kubuntu or debian_ >D
[01:22] <zorglu1> luca_b: ok got your point.
[01:22] <ville-pekka> aasdf just ignore those strange marks..
[01:22] <railk> lol
[01:22] <zorglu1> luca_b: so maybe a slideshow/presentation runnable just after the install. my idea is their presentation of the OS to new users is nice
[01:22] <luca_b> zorglu1: yeah it's a good idea
[01:23] <ville-pekka> I\ll take kubuntu I like kde )D
[01:23] <luca_b> zorglu1: Mandriva used to have something like that when you started fersh
[01:23] <railk> zorglu1: the presentation is already on the cd, it's under examlpes or something on the livecd..
[01:23] <railk> it just needs to get presented
[01:23] <railk> "just"
[01:23] <zorglu1> railk: yep like a icon directly on the desktop. "presentation to new users"
[01:24] <zorglu1> well suggestion from 10000miles here :)
[01:24] <railk> it could be even more intrusive than that
[01:24] <RawSewage> how do you install KOffice
[01:24] <luca_b> railk: like a window that opens up at first login?
[01:24] <railk> if it would be force-fed during the boring bits of the installer that would be useful
[01:24] <RawSewage> sudo apt-get install koffice  ?
[01:24] <railk> RawSewage: probably..
[01:25] <ville-pekka> um.. does dvd/rw\s boot _
[01:25] <railk> ?
[01:26] <luca_b> ville-pekka: well, they should
[01:26] <ville-pekka> or can i only boot from cd/r
[01:26] <railk> they should boot..
[01:26] <ville-pekka> kk
[01:26] <ville-pekka> I\ll try
[01:26] <luca_b> ville-pekka: I did several boot-ups from DV
[01:26] <Howitzer> All of a sudden, the ~/.kde/Autostart function doesn't do it anymore :/
[01:26] <railk> quite a few ditros are available on bootable DVD
[01:26] <ville-pekka> yea but I have dvd/rw
[01:26] <luca_b> Howitzer: How come?
[01:26] <railk> so?
[01:26] <ville-pekka> does it need to be dvd/r_
[01:27] <ville-pekka> if I remember right debian didnt boot from cd/rw
[01:27] <Howitzer> luca_b, you tell me :s
[01:27] <railk> meh well FC5 booted from my laptop's DVD+-RW...
[01:27] <luca_b> Howitzer: what do you have on autostart?
[01:27] <railk> but dunno bout ubuntu and stuff
[01:27] <Howitzer> yakuake, 2 superkaramba themes en knotes
[01:27] <Howitzer> in .desktop format
[01:27] <Howitzer> they did it fine yesterday
[01:28] <luca_b> hmm
[01:28] <luca_b> Howitzer: did you try to reproduce it?
[01:28] <Howitzer> i installed some packages relating Xen and i installed some icons and themes
[01:28] <Howitzer> how do you mean reproduce?
[01:28] <luca_b> Howitzer: I mean, logging out and back in? Did you see it more than once?
[01:29] <BoSJo> All: So where can i find all my settings for programs like Konversation, Konqueror, Kmail, Kopete etc.
[01:29] <Howitzer> just tried it, nothing
[01:29] <Howitzer> BoSJo, in the Settings menu-bar :)
[01:29] <BoSJo> Howitzer: he he, i meant for transferring it to another PC :-)
[01:30] <luca_b> Howitzer: Odd indeed.... to workaround, you may want to start clean, start the programs you want, and save the session
[01:30] <slow-motion> hallo
[01:30] <luca_b> Howitzer: (I don't use autostart anymore because I have a session saved)
[01:30] <Howitzer> oh
[01:30] <Howitzer> i thought of that
[01:30] <railk> BoSJo: probably in ~, in lots of hidden folders...
[01:31] <luca_b> BoSJo: they're all in .kde/ usually
[01:31] <Howitzer> but i often have lots of programs still on when needing to do a fast shutdown
[01:31] <railk> fine then...
[01:31] <tomyssj4ever> Hy ,please give me the link that explains how to update safely to dapper
[01:31] <Howitzer> yes, BoSJo, ~/.kde/apps i think
[01:31] <BoSJo> Ok, thanks Ill give it a go :-)
[01:31] <railk> ~/.kde/share/apps
[01:32] <railk> cd ..
[01:32] <railk> oops
[01:32] <Howitzer> tomyssj4ever
[01:32] <Howitzer> sudo apt-get update
[01:32] <Howitzer> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:32] <luca_b> Howitzer: I think he means also updating the sources changing references to dapper
[01:32] <luca_b> from breezy
[01:33] <Howitzer> isn't that done automaticly?
[01:33] <luca_b> well
[01:33] <luca_b> Howitzer: not sure, I think you have to change them by hand or in adept
[01:34] <luca_b> I prefer command line so I just edited them with vi
[01:34] <Howitzer> vi
[01:34] <Howitzer> i love vim :x
[01:34] <luca_b> I can tell there are some problems to look for when dist-upgrading (seen in 2 upgrades)
[01:34] <Howitzer> i discovered it yesterday
[01:34] <luca_b> Howitzer: me too heh
[01:35] <Howitzer> eek
[01:35] <luca_b> I use the command line and related tools a lot more since I almost left windows
[01:35] <Howitzer> brb
[01:39] <Howitzer> i'll never eat greasy things for breakfast :'(
[01:39] <luca_b> Howitzer: you'd better avoid them indeed
[01:50] <k> hI.
[01:50] <sensei> hl.
[01:51] <k> Question. How do I change my display name in Kopete?
[01:54] <k> nm
[01:57] <ninHer> hi all
[01:59] <Kwukki> hi
[01:59] <zorglu1> boyouoyouy tierd of waiting
[01:59] <zorglu1> hi all
[01:59] <ninHer> Kwukki: hello
[01:59] <dune> How can I change the open office theme to the one with the gradient?
[02:01] <k> Question. How do I change my display name in Kopete?
[02:03] <railk> k: you click on the icon for each account at the lower right and change it somewhere in the properties
[02:03] <Bizzeh> hey
[02:03] <railk> hi
[02:03] <Bizzeh> what would i have to change this line to, to get 1280x1024
[02:03] <Bizzeh> modeline  "1024x768@60" 65.0 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 -vsync -hsync
[02:04] <railk> Bizzeh: just a guess, you need to replace the 1024x768 with 1280x1024 and add 1280 before the second 1024 and 1024 before the second 768...
[02:05] <railk> i.e. "1280x1024@60" 65.0 1280 1024 1048 1184 1344 1024 768 771 777 806 -vsync -hsync ... or something like that... just a guess
[02:06] <zorglu1> WOW! i think got window :)
[02:07] <railk> zorglu1: so, how is it after 10 years?
[02:07] <zorglu1> more colorfull :)
[02:07] <railk> lol
[02:08] <railk> that probably goes for all the OSs...
[02:08] <zorglu1> yep, current kde is way more colorfull than motif was :)
[02:10] <k> heh :-)
[02:10] <ubuntu> hi guys
[02:11] <r0xz> hi ubuntu
[02:11] <ubuntu> i have a problem with my installer i want to setup my kubuntu on hdb but the installer only let mit install on hda
[02:12] <kubuntu-installe> how can i get root privilegs under the install live cd?
[02:12] <D4m4ge> kubuntu-installe to edit a file?
[02:13] <k> Is there a mail client included in Kubuntu?
[02:13] <kubuntu-installe> D4m4ge: i want to mount a win partition
[02:13] <kubuntu-installe> k, install mozilla-thunderbird
[02:13] <D4m4ge> kubuntu-installe just sudo mount then
[02:13] <kubuntu-installe> D4m4ge: the livecd want a password :)
[02:13] <D4m4ge> oO
[02:13] <D4m4ge> never happened to me
[02:14] <Hobbsee> k: kmail, yes
[02:14] <k> kubuntu-installe: you sure?
[02:14] <r0xz> k: kmail and thunderbird rules
[02:14] <fek> !root
[02:14] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[02:14] <k> Hobbsee: is it included? as in bundled
[02:14] <D4m4ge> k yes it is
[02:14] <Hobbsee> k: yes
[02:14] <fek> kubuntu-installe: follow the page
[02:14] <k> Hobbsee: why dont i see it in the menu?
[02:15] <k> Hobbsee: i mean K menu
[02:15] <Hobbsee> k: ah, open up kontact
[02:15] <Hobbsee> and it should be there
[02:15] <k> ok
[02:16] <kubuntu-installe> oh i was wrong, i dont need a password ^^
[02:16] <D4m4ge> k as long as you dont say "start menu" :p ...
[02:16] <k> Cool :P
[02:20] <luca_b> does anyone know of a good antispam solution that works in kmail with IMAP?
[02:21] <luca_b> bogofilter completely messed up my inboxes
[02:22] <sensei> luca_b: Tried isbg ?
[02:23] <sensei> spamassassin imap enabled
[02:23] <luca_b> sensei: I've never heard of it until now
[02:23] <pinkman> Hello
[02:23] <cpt> hi
[02:23] <pinkman> Whats the differnece between kubuntu and ubuntu?
[02:23] <sensei> Okay, I haven't tried it myself, but I've heard success stories about it
[02:23] <sensei> http://www.rogerbinns.com/isbg/
[02:23] <k> pinkman:
[02:23] <cpt> how can i download win32 codecs for my ubuntu?
[02:23] <k> !kubuntu
[02:23] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment. For more info see http://kubuntu.org ; to install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:23] <k> !ubuntu
[02:23] <ubotu> Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome
[02:23] <cpt> im newbie
[02:24] <zorglu1> !restrictedformat
[02:24] <ubotu> I know nothing about restrictedformat
[02:24] <k> pinkman: Ubuntu uses Gnome
[02:24] <cpt> how can i download win32 codecs for my ubuntu?
[02:24] <luca_b> sensei: oh, now I remember about isbg, thanks
[02:24] <sensei> cpt: Repeating won't get you anywhere
[02:24] <sensei> no luca_b
[02:24] <zorglu1> cpt, google for 'ubuntu restricted format' it will give you a page for this
[02:24] <cpt> plz help me
[02:24] <k> zorglu1: no:
[02:25] <k> !restricted
[02:25] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:25] <pinkman> whats kubuntu use?
[02:25] <sensei> cpt: Depends on your player I guess.. You can grab the package for mplayer on www.mplayerhq.hu and put it in /usr/lib/win32 and just go
[02:25] <k> zorglu1: therrre is a factoid for us to use
[02:25] <zorglu1> k, well my solution worked too :)
[02:25] <kubuntu-installe> sensei:  can't i install win32codecs with apt-get?
[02:25] <k> pinkman: the bot told you... KDE
[02:25] <sensei> Dunno, I didn't
[02:26] <sensei> But most likely someone's made a repo of it..
[02:26] <luca_b> kubuntu-installe: yes if you have the right repository
[02:26] <luca_b> PLF and seveas repositories have the win32codecs I believe
[02:26] <kubuntu-installe> luca_b:  ok, i come from gentoo ;). i only install kubuntu for my parents
[02:27] <pinkman> x_x' So whats better lol? Ubuntu or Kubuntu
[02:27] <kubuntu-installe> xubuntu ;)
[02:27] <pinkman> whats that?
[02:27] <pinkman> -.-
[02:28] <k> pinkman: neither is better. boot the 2 of them up
[02:28] <luca_b> pinkman: all a matter of choice
[02:28] <zorglu1> pinkman: up to you to choose. personnaly i prefere kubuntu. but it is only my choise
[02:28] <k> pinkman: try them
[02:28] <kubuntu-installe> reboot ^^
[02:28] <zorglu1> pinkman: live cd are good to try stuff
[02:28] <pinkman> guess ill google xubuntu not sure what it is though
[02:28] <Bizzeh> is there any way of mounting MTP (P4S) devices in 6.06?
[02:28] <pinkman> do you know a good cd bootable burner for ubuntu?
[02:29] <k> pinkman: get the 2 livecds and burn & boot them
[02:29] <omeow> How do I share my printer on Kubuntu? I have a windows client that needs to be able to print to it.
[02:29] <pinkman> I need a bootable cd burner for ubuntu
[02:29] <luca_b> pinkman: under which OS?
[02:29] <sensei> pinkman: cdrecord
[02:30] <k> pinkman: try them. personally, i use both of them on dualboot
[02:30] <pinkman> ?
[02:30] <pinkman> is there anyway to install them without a CD?
[02:30] <k> pinkman: ?
[02:30] <k> pinkman: what do you mean?
[02:30] <sensei> $2 on cds is a fortune ;)
[02:31] <luca_b> pinkman: if you want a live-CD like environment (i.e. seeing without installing), no
[02:31] <pinkman> Lol.
[02:31] <Bizzeh> sensei: when you dont have the $2 it is
[02:31] <k> pinkman: order both CDs from shipit
[02:31] <pinkman> I am out of CD's atm. Hmm, no way around it then?
[02:31] <pinkman> Ey.
[02:31] <Bizzeh> and when the closest place to get them is 2 towns away, its not just $2, its what it costs you to get there and back too
[02:31] <pinkman> Ill burn some. When I get my CD"s
[02:31] <zorglu1> pinkman: you can download the CD iso on window and run it thru qemu
[02:31] <andrisp> hello all, how can i configure konqueror to show preview in icons only for image files, not text etc ?
[02:32] <k> pinkman: no, buy your CDs
[02:32] <k> pinkman: order, I mean
[02:32] <pinkman> Um.
[02:32] <sensei> Bizzeh: Boo hoo
[02:32] <k> pinkman: shipit.kubuntu.com
[02:32] <pinkman> you can download the CD iso on window and run it thru qemu
[02:32] <k> it is FREE to order the cds
[02:32] <pinkman> how to do that?
[02:32] <pinkman> lol
[02:32] <pinkman> shipping is free?
[02:32] <luca_b> pinkman: yes
[02:32] <k> pinkman: right
[02:32] <pinkman> im 14, dont got money
[02:32] <Bizzeh> sensei: thats one of the standard responces for someone who has  just been proven wrong and cant think of a whitty comeback
[02:32] <pinkman> =.=
[02:33] <sensei> Bizzeh: Yeah
[02:33] <SonicChao> pinkman: only distro that does free shipping. :)
[02:33] <luca_b> pinkman: takes a few weeks but free
[02:33] <pinkman> x_x'
[02:33] <k> pinkman: but it takes 4 to 6 weeks to get the CDs shipped
[02:33] <sensei> I change my mind.. $2 is a fortune. You win
[02:33] <pinkman> I dont feel like waiting a few weeks
[02:33] <Bizzeh> sensei: its not just $2
[02:33] <SonicChao> pinkman: but it sends via snail mail, so it takes 3-6 weeks
[02:33] <pinkman> "you can download the CD iso on window and run it thru qemu" Whats this all about?
[02:33] <k> pinkman: well, i patiently waited :-)
[02:33] <SonicChao> pinkman: I ordered in April and haven't got anything yet
[02:34] <k> pinkman: link to the page
[02:34] <k> SonicChao: you will
[02:34] <luca_b> pinkman: quemu is a virtualization environment i.e. it basically emulates another computr on your own
[02:34] <snikker> how can i send a broadcast messages to the others client pc (with windows) on the lan?
[02:34] <k> luca_b: emulation
[02:34] <sensei> Bizzeh: True.. he may live in a farm so his parents *never* have to go to the big scary city and buy anything and pick up 2 cds on the way, surely.. You win again. I regret my statement from the bottom of my heart.
[02:34] <k> luca_b: virtualization and emulation aree not synonymous
[02:34] <pinkman> where can i download qemu?
[02:34] <zorglu1> pinkman: http://www.h7.dion.ne.jp/~qemu-win/
[02:34] <pinkman> ill just go with that.
[02:34] <Bizzeh> also
[02:34] <luca_b> k: Yeah, my bad
[02:35] <Bizzeh> cd's are only cheap if you buy a  pack of 25
[02:35] <Bizzeh> or 50
[02:35] <Bizzeh> ot 100
[02:35] <k> pinkman: provide a link to the page where it mentioned qemu
[02:35] <Bizzeh> if you just get 1
[02:35] <Bizzeh> they are still expencive
[02:35] <pinkman> ?
[02:35] <sensei> Eh, where in the uk do you live if you pay more than $1 for a cd ? o.O
[02:35] <pinkman> Someone on here, said that I could download iso, and run with qemu or something.
[02:36] <k> pinkman: who
[02:36] <pinkman> instead of burning to cd, and booting it?
[02:36] <pinkman> I dont know.
[02:36] <Bizzeh> for 1 cd on its own, 1.50
[02:36] <pinkman> Some random red text. :P
[02:36] <k> eh?
[02:36] <Bizzeh> for a pack of 25, 3 quid
[02:36] <Bizzeh> so
[02:36] <k> pinkman: there must have been a nickame
[02:36] <zorglu1> pinkman: i did, and yes you can :)
[02:36] <luca_b> pinkman: it can be a viable option, a friend of mine has done that somewhat
[02:36] <sensei> Bizzeh: My local tobacco vendor sells them for 50p each
[02:36] <k> pinkman: qemu, being a emulator, will be very slow
[02:37] <Bizzeh> thats in your area
[02:37] <pinkman> Hm.
[02:37] <k> sensei: erm? pound??/
[02:37] <sensei> k, yes
[02:37] <pinkman> Ill just stick with ubuntu for now
[02:37] <pinkman> until I get a cD
[02:37] <k> sensei: isnt that equalivent to a dollar
[02:37] <luca_b> k: Aren't there any VMware player images for kubuntu 6.06?
[02:37] <sensei> k, never said it was
[02:37] <k> sensei: i'm asking you!
[02:37] <zorglu1> ehhe
[02:37] <sensei> k, but pinkman is american, that's why I said dollar to begin with
[02:37] <zorglu1> k you can relax
[02:37] <zorglu1> enjoy the day :)
[02:38] <sensei> k, ok.. no it isn't :)
[02:38] <pinkman> sappose Ill leave :P Good day
[02:38] <k> sensei: is it conceptually the same thing as a cent, or a dollar?
[02:39] <sensei> Yeah.. a pence is like your cents
[02:39] <sensei> 100 pence is 1 pound
[02:39] <k> sensei: so... 50 dollars ...
[02:39] <k> sensei: thats expensive
[02:40] <sensei> No, p is pence :)
[02:40] <Howitzer> i'm using swiftfox which is untarred into my home dir.
[02:40] <k> ................
[02:40] <sensei> 50 pence.. half a pound
[02:40] <k> sensei: cheap now :-)
[02:40] <Howitzer> I'd like to use flash on it but installing it trough apt doesn't work
[02:40] <k> sensei: things suddenly get cheap :P
[02:40] <sensei> K, yeah :) Last time I checked, I think a pound is 1.85 USD
[02:41] <k> sensei: heh :-)
[02:41] <luca_b> Howitzer: you could symlink
[02:41] <luca_b> from the firefox dir
[02:41] <luca_b> I mean,
[02:41] <Howitzer> damn
[02:42] <Howitzer> just did an apt-get remove --purge firefox :/
[02:42] <k> heh
[02:42] <Howitzer> ooh wait
[02:42] <Howitzer> i can do it manually via the flash tar
[02:42] <luca_b> yep
[02:42] <Howitzer> just need to copy 2 files to the plugins dir
[02:42] <Howitzer> okay
[02:42] <Howitzer> yippie
[02:42] <Howitzer> finally youtube
[02:42] <Howitzer> but didn't they release flash 8 for Linux?
[02:43] <Howitzer> i read it somewhere
[02:43] <zorglu1> nope they wont
[02:43] <luca_b> Howitzer: no, Adobe said they'd be SKIPPING 8
[02:43] <luca_b> and going straight to 9
[02:43] <sensei> Wasn't it 8.5 they're going for ?
[02:43] <zorglu1> i hear 8.4 :)
[02:43] <luca_b> IMO, Flash is horrible, even though widely used
[02:43] <zorglu1> ok lets bet :)
[02:43] <larson9999> luca_b: first they said they'd be going straight to 8.5.  now it looks like it might be straight to 10.
[02:43] <sensei> http://weblogs.macromedia.com/emmy/archives/2005/12/why_isnt_there.cfm
[02:44] <sensei> We can probably find links that supports all theories tho :P
[02:44] <Howitzer> i can't play any teagames.com games because of that >:(
[02:44] <larson9999> i think the shift happened when adobe bought them.  i think we should just boycott flash sites
[02:45] <luca_b> larson9999: I already do, somewhat
[02:45] <Howitzer> btw, have any of you read that blogpost about the downfall of Ubuntu because they set up a commercial repository? (for Opera and the likes)
[02:45] <zorglu1> mouaoua :)
[02:45] <sensei> Bah.. fundamentalists
[02:45] <luca_b> Howitzer: nope, I didn't even know there was a repository like that, though I read about Opera 9
[02:45] <sensei> "That's not Linuxish!!" .. No, but it fscking works..
[02:46] <Howitzer> indeed sensei
[02:46] <Howitzer> you can't live on on something that isn't fit for the future
[02:46] <Howitzer> although it sucks deeply
[02:46] <zorglu1> the dogme commitee of lixisher said so !!! :)
[02:46] <Howitzer> http://opensource.apress.com/article/44/opera-makes-ubuntu-sing-a-sad-song
[02:46] <zorglu1> autoproclamed obviouly :)
[02:46] <Howitzer> that blog :)
[02:47] <vijay> hi all, just now i installed kubuntu, how to install gnome desktop from cd?? help??
[02:47] <luca_b> Howitzer: it didn't make the mainstream news sites luckily
[02:47] <sensei> "root is evil" "I can't read the code, hence it sucks" "*Gasp* look at the license! I can't redistribute it"
[02:47] <zorglu1> but nothing less than the future of Ubuntu is at stake. <- dramatisation mode on :)
[02:47] <sensei> Just how many here would actually poke around in operas source and redistribute it? Or any other software for that matter..
[02:47] <Howitzer> you can always redistribute it
[02:47] <Howitzer> just need permission then
[02:47] <zorglu1> the world may be in jeopardy
[02:47] <sensei> Howitzer: That wasn't opera specific
[02:47] <sensei> Just general ranting :)
[02:47] <Howitzer> i mean, i believe 10% of the Linux crowd actually needs the source
[02:48] <luca_b> Howitzer: if you work in academia it's always better to have the source IMO
[02:48] <sensei> 10%? :O
[02:48] <Howitzer> c'mon
[02:48] <Howitzer> it's the reason why Ubuntu and Suse are here
[02:48] <sensei> That people needs the source? :)
[02:49] <Howitzer> no
[02:49] <Howitzer> that most people don't want it
[02:49] <zorglu1> and really it is real bad to make the life of the user easier... by putting a repotisory.  stuff they can get thru the web but harder
[02:49] <zorglu1> wow real bad :)
[02:49] <Howitzer> indeed
[02:50] <sensei> From the blog "But this isnt about software. Its about politics.".. I'm close to actually lol:ing for real
[02:50] <luca_b> well, I don't mind as the core is still free
[02:50] <luca_b> (as in freedom)
[02:50] <vijay> hi all, just now i installed kubuntu, how to install gnome desktop from cd??, i am unable to do it from synaptic
[02:50] <luca_b> vijay: it does not fit on CD, you need to download it off the internet
[02:51] <Howitzer> vijay, do you have another live cd with gnome on it?
[02:51] <vijay> luca_b:but last time (in breezy) i installed it from cd only
[02:51] <vijay> Howitzer:yes
[02:51] <Howitzer> vijay, they changed the installation way
[02:51] <Howitzer> i tried it too
[02:51] <sensei> That blog post is the biggest load of crap I've ever read.. and I'm not saying that to defend ubuntu..
[02:52] <vijay> Howitzer:how to do it?
[02:52] <Howitzer> you can't
[02:52] <Howitzer> you need to install ubuntu-desktop over the internet via 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop'
[02:52] <Howitzer> or you download the 'alternate installation cd' which still has the text-based installation method
[02:53] <Howitzer> and which you can use as a repository for the ubuntu-desktop
[02:53] <Howitzer> man, my typing skills have improved :x
[02:53] <vijay> Howitzer:ok thank you
[02:53] <Howitzer> ,p :)
[02:53] <larson9999> as long as they don't go the mandriva route where they try to make it look like you have to pay even though you don't.
[02:54] <Howitzer> huh
[02:54] <Howitzer> as long as they don't offer ANY form of payment unless it's for corporate support
[02:54] <Howitzer> but they won't do that
[02:54] <Howitzer> they need the image of Ubuntu to be completely free
[02:55] <larson9999> howitzer i just leave it at as they don't offer ANY form of payment. i switched for that very reason.  i'd likely go to debian if so.
[02:55] <sensei> Personally I believe that kubuntu has boomed because it's so damn simple, not that it's so damn hippie
[02:55] <luca_b> larson9999: I used to be a silver member on MDV
[02:55] <larson9999> Howitzer: yeah, the site says it always will be.
[02:56] <Howitzer> sensei, do you mean ubuntu aswell?
[02:56] <sensei> Howitzer: Yes
[02:56] <luca_b> larson9999: The support was good, the distro was good even, but the company was totally irrational
[02:56] <Howitzer> i found kubuntu a bit harder at the beginning because i used ubuntu for 1 year
[02:56] <k> ummmmmmmmmmmmmm
[02:56] <sensei> What's the difference?
[02:56] <Howitzer> things were handled differently
[02:56] <sensei> Any other than gnome vs. kde?
[02:57] <Howitzer> i thought there was
[02:57] <Howitzer> not sure now actually
[02:57] <Howitzer> KDE seems so more functional now
[02:57] <larson9999> luca_b: i paid once for standard to support the distro.  but i didn't see any benefit.  but what i couldn't stand was the site to download sure tries to muddy the waters when it comes to download the free version.  can't tell you how many newbies have looked at that site and didn't try mandriva because 'you had to pay'.
[02:57] <sensei> So what you mean is that you find gnome easier than KDE? ;)
[02:57] <Howitzer> yep
[02:58] <Howitzer> but once it comes to modifying things, gnome is just crap
[02:58] <Howitzer> you need to dig in the register-alike thing
[02:58] <luca_b> larson9999: I switched when they fired Gael Duval
[02:58] <vijay> Howitzer:another question, i reinstalled xp, how to install grub? can i use my breezy cd for this??
[02:58] <Howitzer> i think so vijay
[02:59] <vijay> Howitzer:ok
[02:59] <Howitzer> you'll need to go root and do "grub-install '(hd0,0)' "
[02:59] <larson9999> luca_b: i tried to switch a few times but i couldn't get anything before dapper to install on my main box with is a dual p3.
[02:59] <vijay> Howitzer:ok
[02:59] <mike> hi
[03:00] <Howitzer> vijay, check google to be 100% sure, i don't want to ruin your MBR :)
[03:00] <larson9999> vijay: don't have a 2nd hd to put that windows on?  things seem to be smooth that way
[03:00] <vijay> Howitzer:ok
[03:00] <luca_b> larson9999: first install was breezy on this laptop, now upgraded to dapper
[03:02] <omeow> How do I share my printer on Kubuntu?
[03:02] <larson9999> there's something appealing about a company that says it'll alway be free and ships cd to boot.
[03:02] <Howitzer> hell yes larson9999
[03:02] <sensei> omeow: Can't windows do IPP ?
[03:02] <Howitzer> i just love the fact i can order a nice cd with a nice cover
[03:02] <omeow> What's IPP, sensei?
[03:03] <luca_b> omeow: yes but it's a little complicated to set up
[03:03] <luca_b> er, not omeow, was directed to sensei
[03:03] <larson9999> sensei, omeow, yes it can
[03:03] <larson9999> sensei: works great here
[03:03] <luca_b> larson9999: I had my share of troubles trying to make a win2k box using IPP to see a CUPS printer on a linux box
[03:03] <sensei> larson9999: Ok, good to know
[03:03] <omeow> But what is it? :)
[03:04] <sensei> Internet Printing Protocol
[03:04] <omeow> internet printing protocol? =P
[03:04] <sensei> Set up CUPS
[03:04] <omeow> wow,  I guessed correctly.
[03:04] <sensei> And make it broadcast ipp
[03:04] <sensei> Can't help you with the windows part of it tho
[03:04] <omeow> Right, I can already print from this computer. But my brother's windows machine can't print on it.
[03:04] <omeow> I can't login to the cups thing though, my password doesn't work.
[03:05] <larson9999> luca_b: don't have win2k but with xp here is was a snap.  figuring out the port might be tricky but for this printer, the printer has a 'net test page' that you can print out with the info you need
[03:06] <larson9999> omeow: yeah, in unbuntu you have to modify groups to do that.  there is a site that talks about how.  google cups ubuntu and you should find it
[03:06] <omeow> My printer has an ipp address.
[03:06] <omeow> ipp://myhostname:631/printers/HP5652
[03:06] <larson9999> the one that talks about adding stuff to the shadow group is what that worked for me.
[03:06] <luca_b> omeow: yes, that's the URI for the printer
[03:07] <larson9999> omeow: you might need the port, too. for me it's port0, iirc
[03:08] <larson9999> omeow: in windows i don't need the myhostname.
[03:08] <lied> hello
[03:09] <edulix> hi
[03:09] <edulix> how can i configure kpowersave to use suspend2 (hibernate) when hibernating?
[03:10] <lied> i just install kubuntu. i have problems with my soundcard, what i have done: modprobe snd-cmipci (from lspci). under gentoo i had a tool called alsaconf, is this package available in kubuntu?
[03:11] <sensei> lied: Aparently it's obsoleted in ubuntu
[03:11] <luca_b> lied: One second, checking
[03:11] <omeow> larson9999: I dual boot this machine too, so it would be very nice if I could set up one printer on my clients and it wouldn't matter if I'm working on Windows or Linux. (so they don't first have to check what OS i'm using and then switch printers)
[03:12] <luca_b> omeow: What about as sharing it on samba with the same name?
[03:12] <omeow> Hm, I don't know how to do that. Let's see...
[03:12] <omeow> Samba isn't in my list of internet & network things.
[03:12] <ray79ct> hi to all
[03:13] <ray79ct> i'm italian
[03:13] <ray79ct> can u help me
[03:13] <luca_b> omeow: I did it the command line way on my print server, unsure if there's a point and click thing
[03:13] <omeow> Hello ray79ct from Italy. What's your question?
[03:13] <omeow> luca_b: urf. =/
[03:14] <lied> luca_b:  and is there such a command?
[03:14] <ray79ct> i  can't download from mirc
[03:14] <ray79ct> can u send me a file .. because xdcc i can't use :(
[03:14] <luca_b> lied: no, there is no package with it inside
[03:14] <luca_b> ray79ct: you mean the /dccserver command?
[03:15] <ray79ct> xdcc
[03:15] <omeow> luca_b: There's a samba configuration tool in kcontrol (not ubuntu's system configuration thing) going to see if I can set it up with that.
[03:15] <ray79ct> yeAH
[03:15] <ray79ct> omeo pls hlp me
[03:15] <luca_b> ray79ct: that's a mirc extension
[03:15] <luca_b> not much you can do with it in linux
[03:15] <ray79ct> yeah ..
[03:15] <ray79ct> when i go to overflow
[03:16] <ray79ct> i receive the file but download are blocked
[03:18] <luca_b> ray79ct: if you're using windows, this is the wrong channel though
[03:19] <luca_b> omeow: any luck with the samba configuration tool?
[03:20] <omeow> Yeah, I think i've got it configured properly. But I don't know how to start the service. There's no mention of it in the system services module. =/
[03:20] <ray79ct> ahahah
[03:20] <ray79ct> no windows
[03:20] <ray79ct> ubunto
[03:20] <ray79ct> but for me it's new
[03:20] <ray79ct> i think that u can hlp me
[03:21] <ray79ct> but i can't download :((
[03:21] <luca_b> omeow: sudo /etc/init.d/samba start
[03:21] <omeow> Like I said, samba isn't listed.
[03:21] <luca_b> hmm
[03:21] <luca_b> omeow: sudo apt-get install samba-server
[03:21] <omeow> Hm, perhaps it's not installed. (but why would it give me configuration options for it, if it's not installed?)
[03:22] <luca_b> omeow: probably it writes a smb.conf regardless if the server is there or not (my guess)
[03:22] <omeow> samba-common is installed.