[12:14] <draik> main2: I'm restarting right now
[12:14] <Sloik> zipper: kdesu
[12:14] <xerosis> darksoul: kdesu for kde
[12:14] <xerosis> oops, too slow
[12:15] <Sloik> Heheh :P
[12:15] <zipper> Sloik: ah yes, thanks. I never use the graphical sudo's
[12:15] <AFaith> neah... it doesn't work at all
[12:16] <FreeSurfer> Salut all
[12:16] <main2> dA!! it rains so hard here
[12:16] <AFaith> big thanks zipper & fdoving!
[12:16] <zipper> AFaith: the code i gave you? Sure it does. You sure you're not doing something wrong?
[12:16] <draik> main2: Logging in... cross your fingers....
[12:16] <main2> feels like the drops are comming trough mywindow in a second
[12:16] <AFaith> FreeSurfer: Romania ?
[12:16] <main2> draik, i do :)
[12:16] <FreeSurfer> ^^ french
[12:16] <AFaith> zipper: maybe .. i don't know :P i'm to tired to think now :))
[12:16] <FreeSurfer> why romania?
[12:17] <AFaith> FreeSurfer: because salut means hello in Romanian ;)
[12:17] <draik> main2: what does the "pci=assign-busses" command do?
[12:17] <zipper> AFaith: no offence, but i think you are, cus' i tested it before pasting it.
[12:17] <zipper> AFaith: doesnt it mean "hello" in french as well?
[12:17] <draik> main2: :(
[12:17] <FreeSurfer> in french hello mean "bonjour" ou "salut"
[12:18] <main2> draik, from what i was reading, it looked like your system is using a yenta card bus
[12:18] <zipper> ou?
[12:18] <Karti> Hi, could someone tell me how to rename a folder and hide it in a command line? I have #mv Personal ./Personal but that does not work......any ideas..cheers
[12:18] <FreeSurfer> or
[12:18] <zipper> ah
[12:18] <FreeSurfer> scuse me ^^ , in french "hello" mean "bonjour" or "salut"
[12:18] <main2> draik, but from other things i read (google..), it seems to be an ALI based chipset
[12:19] <zipper> FreeSurfer: no worries, i think i got it :).
[12:19] <tyron> hi im having problems with my apt-get command can anyone help?
[12:19] <main2> draik, http://www.google.nl/search?q=linux+n5150+cardbus&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
[12:19] <draik> main2: So what does that mean?
[12:19] <zipper> tyron: just state your question
[12:19] <main2> you see.. first result is yenta bla bla.. but let me search a bit further
[12:19] <FreeSurfer> tyron give the error
[12:19] <tyron> i get this error when try ti instrall something?
[12:19] <zipper> DemonSamurai: no, you cannot. Ask inhere instead, there are more people to help you here
[12:19] <tyron> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[12:20] <zipper> tyron: tried manually runnning "dpkg --configure -a" ?
[12:20] <Graham> tyron: Guess what you do :)
[12:20] <FreeSurfer> and when you enter dpkg --configure -a'?
[12:20] <AFaith> no problem FreeSurfer! i've tought that i've finally met romanian people here :P
[12:20] <prova> ls
[12:20] <FreeSurfer> ok ok
[12:20] <main2> draik,   40.579973]  Yenta: CardBus bridge found at 0000:00:04.0 [103c:0014]
[12:20] <FreeSurfer> Hello all
[12:20] <main2> you do have a yenta.............
[12:20] <FreeSurfer> lol
[12:21] <DemonSamurai> !ntfs
[12:21] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[12:21] <Admiral_Chicago> AFaith: yes
[12:21] <main2> draik, insert that netgear after using pci=assign-busses
[12:21] <main2> then dmesg
[12:21] <draik> main2: Right, but what does it mean from Yenta to ALI?
[12:21] <main2> put it on pastebin.ca
[12:21] <FreeSurfer> im sorry i'm very french
[12:21] <main2> forget what i said about ALI, seems to be wrong info
[12:21] <tyron> ok it worked this time
[12:21] <zipper> FreeSurfer: how do one become _very_ french? :)
[12:21] <DemonSamurai> !fuse
[12:21] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[12:21] <draik> main2: Let me get this straight...
[12:21] <cicasp> ls
[12:22] <draik> main2: Restart without card in slot. Login, insert card. Run DMESG, then post on pastebin. Correct?
[12:22] <tyron> MB of updates i started to install it failed and said something else using proccess keeps saying that
[12:22] <zipper> tyron: next time, try spending a little more time readin the error description. Unlike windows, linux usually gives you usefull information.
[12:22] <main2> yes, but make sure you use pci=assign-busses
[12:22] <main2> :duh:
[12:22] <zipper> tyron: reading*
[12:22] <AFaith> hello Admiral_Chicago! i'm using Gaim now and i wanna add you, BluesKaj and another people that helped me in my friends list
[12:23] <AFaith> do you want that ?
[12:23] <draik> main2: How do I make sure I'm using it? I just added it to my kernel line
[12:23] <AFaith> before a really go to bed
[12:23] <wsjunior> could anybody help me with fglrx and tv-out?
[12:23] <[agatha] > evening... guys i have lost the menu button in kde...
[12:23] <AFaith> i wanna show zipper & fdoving something : http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/helloworld.html have a look and tell me you oppinion :P
[12:23] <main2> draik, ok hope you did it properly :)
[12:24] <tyron> sorry my adept updater keeps saying something else is using the process? i have rebooted and nothing open to use it?
[12:24] <main2> draik, you are doing it properly .. just continue, get me the pastbin.. :P :D
[12:24] <draik> main2: But should it be busses or buses?
[12:24] <main2> draik, i fished this out of your dmesg, thats fine =) > [17179569.184000]  Kernel command line: root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash pci=assign_busses
[12:24] <timd> i just mounted my windows drive to /mnt/windows but it says i don't have rights, what is the right chown command so i can access the files?
[12:24] <Karti> Never mind the answer is # mv Personal .Personal
[12:24] <main2> wait
[12:24] <wsjunior> im trying to get tv-out working to watch movies on tv but i plug the svideo cable and nothing happens. i've alread configured my xorg.conf. how could i get some feedback to check whats wrong?!
[12:24] <main2> draik: pci=assign-busses
[12:25] <main2> how hard can it be :P
[12:25] <draik> main2: Just making sure
[12:25] <main2> =)
[12:25] <draik> The correct spelling of busses is buses
[12:26] <draik> main2: restarting.... network card out of the slot
[12:26] <DemonSamurai> what is the command to open fstab?
[12:26] <main2> cat /etc/fstab
[12:26] <main2> kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[12:26] <main2>  :P
[12:26] <wsjunior> this is my xorg.conf, could anybody help me? http://rafb.net/p/49vtET40.html
[12:27] <main2> wsjunior, sup then?
[12:27] <wsjunior> im trying to get tv-out working to watch movies on tv but i plug the svideo cable and nothing happens. i've alread configured my xorg.conf. how could i get some feedback to check whats wrong?!
[12:27] <draik> main2: logging in...
[12:27] <draik> main2: loading up....
[12:27] <main2> yea yea
[12:27] <draik> main2: Let me know when you want me to put in the card
[12:27] <main2> now
[12:27] <main2> ;D
[12:27] <main2> when you see the login
[12:28] <wsjunior> i googled a lot looking for solutions for this issue but none explain in details
[12:28] <draik> main2: Should I do it again? I did it now that everything is loaded
[12:28] <main2> yeah np :)
[12:28] <main2> you can inser/ remove them when you want :)
[12:28] <main2> like usb :)
[12:28] <Tm_T> !adeptcrashfix | tyron
[12:28] <ubotu> tyron: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[12:28] <draik> Ok.
[12:28] <draik> I'm in and all
[12:29] <draik> What do you need now?
[12:30] <draik> main2: dmesg?
[12:30] <helene> Greets, everyone...
[12:30] <main2> yes
[12:30] <helene> Does anyone have any experience setting up an Intel modem? (I already tried the guide suggested by !modem - didn't really get me anywhere.)
[12:30] <draik> 1 sec
[12:30] <G3NESIS> I'm a newb and I'm having problems compiling source files can someone help me?
[12:31] <CPrgmSwR2> assistance docs are not working
[12:31] <CPrgmSwR2> how do I get those working
[12:31] <helene> G3NESIS: What are you trying to install?
[12:31] <wsjunior> please, could anybody help me to configure tvout with ati card using fglrx driver? this is my xorg.conf -> http://rafb.net/p/49vtET40.html
[12:31] <G3NESIS> First I tried installing xchat because I had other problems.
[12:31] <G3NESIS> I got a c cannot compile executables error.
[12:31] <helene> CPrgmSwR2: You mean when you press F1 in an application, it just says "no documentation available"?
[12:32] <AFaith> good night people
[12:32] <AFaith> thanks for those who helped me
[12:32] <helene> G3NESIS: Have you already made sure what you're trying to install isn't in the repositories?
[12:32] <tyron> ubotu: i did that and still geting this error now  - There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[12:32] <DemonSamurai> !wine
[12:32] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[12:32] <G3NESIS> I've also tried installing pidgin.
[12:32] <helene> tyron: ubotu's a bot. ;-)
[12:32] <draik> main2: http://pastebin.ca/557266
[12:32] <CPrgmSwR2> This is strictly with KDevelop
[12:32] <G3NESIS> I got past that error by installing lib_6 libraries.
[12:33] <main2> draik, [  128.207668]  pccard: CardBus card inserted into slot 1
[12:33] <G3NESIS> Then it gave me an error about pkg config
[12:33] <helene> G3NESIS: HAVE YOU ALREADY CHECKED THE REPOSITORIES FOR WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO INSTALL?
[12:33] <main2> draik, can you pastebin: ifconfig
[12:33] <main2> ?
[12:33] <draik> no prob
[12:33] <main2> sudo ifconfig > output.txt
[12:33] <G3NESIS> I did,
[12:33] <G3NESIS> No pidgin,
[12:33] <Tm_T> helene: krhm
[12:33] <helene> ok. :-)
[12:33] <G3NESIS> and the gaim installer doesnt work.
[12:33] <wsjunior> for the love of god, could anybody help me to configure tv-out for ati xpress 200m using fglrx driver? lol
[12:33] <helene> G3NESIS: Just install Gaim through Adept
[12:34] <tyron> ok..well anyone else then?
[12:34] <draik> main2: No IP addresses or such... but here goes
[12:34] <helene> wsjunior: I think there might be a special package for the tv-out's on ATI cards. Try searching Adept for "ati tv"
[12:34] <G3NESIS> The adept installer for gaim doesnt work.
[12:34] <helene> Tm_T: ?
[12:34] <Tm_T> helene: no need for caps
[12:35] <Tm_T> (: :)
[12:35] <helene> Tm_T: There is when I'm repeating myself a second time. ;-)
[12:35] <wsjunior> helene: i've already googled enough :/ nothing explaining in details.. tried to follow some tutorials, just asking here in case someone got it..
[12:35] <Tm_T> helene: then consider not repeating? ;-P
[12:35] <helene> wsjunior: I'm not talking about googling. :-)
[12:35] <draik> main2: http://pastebin.ca/557272
[12:35] <wsjunior> helene: im not talking about packages
[12:36] <main2> draik, do you see any devices when you do: sudo iwconfig
[12:36] <main2> ?
[12:36] <BluesKaj> yes helene , wsjunior "atitvout" is in the repos ...I see it in synaptic
[12:36] <helene> wsjunior: What kind of card do you have?
[12:36] <wsjunior> ati xpress 200m
[12:36] <draik> main2: lo, sit0 and eht1 all say "no wireless extensions"
[12:36] <draik> main2: It's not wireless, though
[12:37] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: time for chatter?
[12:37] <main2> draik, do you know the exact type of the netgear wifi card?
[12:37] <draik> main2: It's not a wifi
[12:37] <main2> normal ethernet!?
[12:37] <helene> Not sure, wsjunior. Sorry
[12:37] <G3NESIS> Ok the gaim installer works now for odd reasons.. but I'm still having problems compiling.
[12:37] <draik> yup
[12:38] <helene> Can anyone please help me set up my modem?
[12:38] <main2> draik, but the laptop has built in ethernet as well right?
[12:38] <Tm_T> helene: you mean normal dialup
[12:38] <helene> Right
[12:38] <draik> Nope, this laptop is 7 years old
[12:38] <helene> Tm_T: Already tried the guide from !modem to no avail
[12:38] <main2> draik
[12:38] <Tm_T> helene: is kppp familiar?
[12:38] <draik> Nope, this laptop is 7 years old
[12:38] <main2> type: sudo ifconfig eth <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:39] <main2> what is your gateway/routers ip?
[12:39] <draik> main2: <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:39] <draik> Sorry
[12:39] <draik> main2: <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:40] <main2> ok>  sudo ifconfig eth0 up | sudo ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS> | sudo route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:40] <main2> and you have internet
[12:40] <main2> draik, looks like there's nothing wrong with the card, and > looks like its working, but you need to configure it.. :)
[12:40] <draik> main2: eth0 or eth1?
[12:40] <main2> eth1
[12:40] <main2> sorry
[12:41] <Drblood> o.o
[12:41] <draik> main2: "route: Host Name lookup failure"
[12:41] <helene> Tm_T: It didn't recognize it OotB, so I did "sudo apt-get install sl-modem-daemon sl-modem-source sl-modem-modules" and rebooted, then it "recognized it," but just said "NO CARRIER" when it tries to dial.
[12:42] <main2> draik, route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:42] <main2> thats one command huh.............
[12:42] <draik> main2: I typed it in as you gave it...
[12:42] <main2> after doing > ifconfig eth1 up
[12:42] <main2> and ifconfig eth1 <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:42] <Tm_T> helene: hmm, now you lost me =)
[12:42] <draik> main2: Got it
[12:42] <main2> draik, you should try to ping it: ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:43] <draik> ping -c4 <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:43] <helene> Tm_T: So now I've uninstalled sl-modem* and was trying to follow the whole tutorial (I stopped after seeing the kind of modem I have and searching the repo's), but I keep getting errors @ "make"/"sudo make install"
[12:43] <draik> main2: I'M ONLINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:43] <draik> main2: YOU ROCK
[12:43] <main2> =)
[12:44] <draik> main2: YOU ARE ROOT
[12:44] <main2> g0t r00t?
[12:44] <Tm_T> stop yelling please, it hurts
[12:44] <draik> No, but I got ROOT's help!
[12:44] <helene> Tm_T: It's an Intel 82801CA/CAM, if that tells you anything?
[12:44] <Tm_T> nope
[12:44] <draik> sorry Tm_T
[12:44] <main2> draik, stop screaming, i feel ashamed because we could have this fixed 20min ago :P
[12:45] <draik> main2: Ok, np
[12:45] <draik> main2: Thank you SO much
[12:45] <main2> ok draik, to finish it off -> you run dapper right :)
[12:45] <main2> draik, you're welcome, but after a reboot .. it will be not working right away..
[12:46] <main2> guys, does dapper have knetworkmanager?
[12:46] <helene> Tm_T: Where exactly did I lose you? :-)
[12:46] <main2> draik, are you on your desktop?
[12:46] <Tm_T> helene: when you started harware mumbojumbo
[12:46] <draik> main2: Yes, I'm on my desktop.
[12:46] <main2> do you see a 'network icon' in the bottom right of your screen? > gently pull the mouse over those icons
[12:46] <draik> main2: I'm running Edgy Eft, not Dapper Drake
[12:46] <main2> 6.10 .. ok, sorry :)
[12:47] <Tm_T> helene: I could understand it, but it would require hour or two I don't have, sorry :/
[12:47] <timd> need help with: "You do not have enough permissions to read file:///dev/sda" I'm trying to make it so i can access files from my windows drive on kubu...and also windows is not showing up in the list when grub starts
[12:47] <helene> Tm_T: No problem
[12:47] <draik> main2: Nope
[12:47] <Tm_T> helene: I had my share of carrier issues when fighting with OSX
[12:48] <draik> main2: KMix, Kopete
[12:48] <draik> main2: That's all I have down there
[12:48] <helene> Tm_T: I think I might've just found something on launchpad. Gonna reboot and try again, brb.
[12:49] <main2> what is the appropriate way to change the default gateway on dapper/edgy?
[12:49] <main2> /etc/network/interfaces .. ok found it
[12:50] <draik> main2: So what do I need to do now?
[12:51] <main2> draik, you need to edit this file .. > /etc/network/interfaces, and make sure that it contains the stuff
[12:51] <main2> im gonna paste in a private message to you
[12:51] <enzo_> main2: I'm in
[12:51] <enzo_> What do I need?
[12:55] <letsgo> Hi I am new to LINUX and had a ? We have an IPOD that we want to download music on how would I go about doing that.  Please help
[12:55] <RawSewage> !iPod
[12:55] <ubotu> For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto See !rockbox for information on liberating your iPod
[12:55] <letsgo> yes
[12:55] <G3NESIS> OK.. so forget my compiling problems and move to another one. I tried using the script which allows you to read ntfs partitions and it said "No usable windows/mac partitions found"
[12:56] <letsgo> thank you
[12:56] <main2> =)
[12:57] <mike__> I need help with uploading pictures from my Digital Camera to DigiKam
[12:57] <BluesKaj> G3NESIS, have you checked system settings /advanced/disc&filesystems
[12:58] <G3NESIS> It's ther if thats what your asking.
[12:58] <jriachi> in konqueror, can i make control+wheel up to zoom/increase the font?
[12:59] <BluesKaj> ok G3NESIS
[12:59] <mike__> jriachi: Are you asking if you can Increase The FOnt by holding down CTRL and scrolling the wheel?
[01:00] <jriachi> mike__: right
[01:00] <mike__> Yes you can
[01:00] <mike__> atleast, it works for me
[01:00] <G3NESIS> Blueskaj: Yes.
[01:01] <kjdis> Does anyone know how to get a program to start with X, BEFORE logging in?  I want to run nvtv automatically with X so that TV-out is on and ready, anyone?
[01:01] <jriachi> then something is wrong in my setup, because it scrolls instead of increasing the font , mike__ :S
[01:01] <kjdis> I can't figure out the system's xinitrc and xsession, neither seemed to work
[01:01] <mike__> jriachi: Hmm whats weird
[01:02] <mike__> im kinda too busy to look iunto it, but just check settings
[01:02] <G3NESIS> So any one have any ideas on my problem?
[01:02] <mike__> G3nesis: Whats your problem?
[01:02] <jriachi> mike__: ok, i'll let you know if i figure out something? any idea where to start?
[01:02] <G3NESIS> I tried using the script which allows you to read ntfs partitions and it said "No usable windows/mac partitions found"
[01:03] <mike__> jriachi: umm i would go to Settings and click on Configure
[01:03] <main2> hey enzo_ did it work out properly?
[01:03] <enzo_> main2: I don't know about you, but I think I'm online :P Thank you
[01:03] <main2> yw =)
[01:03] <BluesKaj> G3NESIS, the script you refer to is "ntfs-config"?
[01:03] <main2> so remember for the next time enzo_ all you need to do is configure the eth1 device
[01:03] <enzo_> RIght
[01:03] <mike__> Jriachi: Go to Settings, "Configure SHortcuts"
[01:03] <main2> by adding the gateway to your /etc/network/interfaces
[01:03] <G3NESIS> Diskmounter
[01:03] <enzo_> I can do so in Network
[01:04] <mike__> and scroll through the list to where it says Enlarge Font
[01:04] <main2> your cardbus/adapter are working fine =)
[01:04] <main2> enzo_, its really easy
[01:04] <enzo_> I would assume so, yes
[01:04] <wackjack> what's up
[01:05] <BluesKaj> I get access my windows partition with "ntfs-3g" and "ntfs-config" ...both apps are in the repos
[01:06] <wackjack> is there any way to add add/remove packages... for example, I want to install Aptana it's not listed as any apps under Add/Remove programs and All available Applications
[01:06] <wackjack> :\
[01:07] <draik> wackjack: Be sure the package exists in your repos first "sudo apt-cache search aptana"
[01:07] <BluesKaj> it may be in the non default repos , wackjack...search for it on google-linux and the associated repos will prolly be there
[01:07] <draik> wackjack: If it does, "sudo apt-get install aptana"
[01:08] <G3NESIS> BluesKaj: OK. I'll try that.
[01:08] <draik> wackjack: If not, do what BluesKaj just told you
[01:08] <XtypeWriter74> any midnight commander users or knowhowers around that can help me set vlc player as video player ? here is my /etc/mc/mc.etx --->  http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/11610/
[01:10] <jriachi> mike__: ctrl++ /ctrl+- works, but i can't seem to be able to set it to control+wheelup
[01:10] <wackjack> what is google-linux?
[01:11] <wackjack> im sorry that I dont know the terminology - "non default repos" "asociated repos" etc
[01:11] <jriachi> can anyone tell me if in gimp control+wheelup does zoom in the drawing?
[01:12] <XtypeWriter74> here it doesnt
[01:12] <jriachi> thanks XtypeWriter74
[01:13] <BluesKaj> google has a search called google-linux wackjack , just look for it
[01:13] <XtypeWriter74> np
[01:13] <wackjack> i found it
[01:14] <BluesKaj> very handy , wackjack
[01:14] <wackjack> how do I install a package that isnt in the package manager?
[01:14] <wackjack> I need the APT address or whatnot?
[01:15] <jriachi> mike__: i tested it with anoter useraccount, and there control
[01:15] <joe2371> Hi. My USB flash drive is automatically mounted when I insert it.  This conflicts with VMPlayer.  How can I prevent the thumbdrive from being automatically mounted?  It isn't even in my fstab.
[01:15] <jriachi> mike__: i tested it with anoter useraccount, and there control+wheelup works... so it is not a kubuntu problem, but pebkac :)
[01:16] <Contrast> Greets, everyone...
[01:16] <BluesKaj> BBL, phone
[01:17] <mike__> jriachi: Okay so are you gonna just switch accounts?
[01:17] <Contrast> Can someone tell me where I can download Edgy?
[01:17] <joe2371> Contrast: you're joking, right?
[01:17] <Contrast> joe2371: I wish I was...
[01:17] <jriachi> mike__ i'll try to shot down the problem.. i think it is related to my domino widget-style...
[01:18] <Contrast> joe2371: Trying to get a modem working. I've read in several places that the one I'm working with worked in Edgy, but not in Feisty.
[01:18] <Contrast> joe2371: Just wanna try it from the live CD.
[01:18] <jriachi> mike__: time to write a bug report to the domino-style author :)
[01:18] <joe2371> Edgy is 6.06.  Go to the website and download it.
[01:18] <CPrgmSwR2> How do I get java and firefox working?
[01:19] <mike__> Jriachi: Yep, about the only think you can do about it, other than fix it yourself =D
[01:19] <Contrast> joe2371: What do you mean? Don't bother with Edgy, just use Dapper instead?
[01:19] <joe2371> Contrast: that was directed to you
[01:19] <jriachi> mike__: and putting the increase/decrease fonts in the toolbar :)
[01:19] <coreymon77> why both with either of them when there is feisty
[01:20] <coreymon77> CPrgmSwR2: firefox should work, just apt it
[01:20] <Contrast> Is Edgy really that bad? I mean, I had a couple little problems with it here and there, but I never saw anything that explains everyone's strong distaste for it. Just lucky, I guess?
[01:20] <mike__> Jriachi: that sounds like a good idea
[01:20] <mike__> But i g2g so ill ttyl
[01:20] <coreymon77> Contrast: im with you
[01:20] <Contrast> coreymon77: My modem doesn't work in Feisty
[01:20] <CPrgmSwR2> firefox works
[01:20] <CPrgmSwR2> but firefox + java does not
[01:20] <coreymon77> Contrast: edgy of course isnt perfect, but its not awful
[01:20] <jriachi> bye mike__, have fun!
[01:20] <Contrast> CPrgmSwR2: Run "sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin"
[01:21] <CPrgmSwR2> okay thnx
[01:21] <Contrast> np
[01:21] <joe2371> Does anyone know how to prevent a USB drive from automounting upon insertion?   Hehe
[01:23] <joe2371> Contrast: hold on
[01:23] <CPrgmSwR2> http://ubuntu.mirrors.skynet.be/pub/ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/6.10/
[01:23] <CPrgmSwR2> Theres edgy
[01:23] <joe2371> Contrast: go to the download page and at the bottom, select "complete list of download locations"
[01:23] <joe2371> Contrast: then select a mirror from the list
[01:23] <CPrgmSwR2> Edgy --> http://ubuntu.mirrors.skynet.be/pub/ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/6.10/
[01:24] <Dr_willis> I like Farting Fawn! :)
[01:24] <joe2371> Contrast: then navigate to the iso for 6.10
[01:24] <Contrast> Sweet. Thanks joe2371, CPrgmSwR2
[01:24] <G3NESIS> I had a problem with the Diskmount script for accessing windows partitions, and was told to use "ntfs-3g" and "ntfs-config". I've installed them, so how do I use them?
[01:24] <Contrast> Ugh... The default for clicking an iso in Konqueror is to open it in Kate.
[01:25] <joe2371> Anyone know what daemon controlls automounting USB devices?
[01:25] <CPrgmSwR2> yes
[01:26] <CPrgmSwR2> no waht
[01:26] <CPrgmSwR2> its hald
[01:26] <joe2371> hald? ok, thanks
[01:26] <CPrgmSwR2> hal or hald
[01:26] <aroo> Contrast: you can change default applications for file types
[01:27] <Contrast> aroo: I know. I just thought that was a weird default. :-)
[01:27] <maver1ck> hello
[01:27] <XtypeWriter74> hello. can somebody please help me set vlc player as video player in midnightcommander ? here is my /etc/mc/mc.ext --->  http://sial.org/pbot/25471   when i for example open a .swf file i get this message Error: no "view" mailcap rules found for type "application/x-shockwave-flash"  but vlc alone opens such files
[01:28] <maver1ck> i don't know if this good place to talking about Xgl bugs
[01:28] <Contrast> If I click an .iso on a website, why would I want to look at it in a text editor?
[01:28] <maver1ck> but i'm looking for advice
[01:28] <Contrast> maver1ck: Might try #desktop-effects first. They might be more well-versed in the matter
[01:28] <Contrast> maver1ck: Trying to get Beryl running, I assume?
[01:28] <maver1ck> Contrast, ok, but those bugs are connected with session management and automount
[01:29] <maver1ck> beryl is up and running
[01:29] <G3NESIS> I had a problem with the Diskmount script for accessing windows partitions, and was told to use "ntfs-3g" and "ntfs-config". I've installed them, so can someone please tell me how do I use them?
[01:29] <Contrast> maver1ck: Ohh, nevermind then. :-)
[01:29] <maver1ck> but i've got two things not working properly
[01:31] <maver1ck> 1. shutdown / restart button - I found script with cookies clone between x servers but it doesn't work for me
[01:31] <maver1ck> 2. no automount in KDE - no idea what is happening - google doesn't give any advice
[01:32] <maver1ck> (automount is working when on normal X server)
[01:32] <maver1ck> (maybe those bugs are connected)
[01:32] <ubuntu__> dang
[01:32] <ubuntu__> anyone remember who i am?
[01:33] <Contrast> I couldn't get anything in regards to logging out/shutting down working with Xgl (or any session when using fglrx for that matter). Logging out just led the system to a complete freeze, where nothing but RSEIUB'ing would work. Have to ctrl+alt+backspace everytime I want to change users or sessions.
[01:33] <Contrast> ubuntu__: Not with that name. ;-)
[01:33] <gon> !ati
[01:33] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:33] <ubuntu__> lol
[01:33] <ubuntu__> im in the live cd
[01:33] <ubuntu__> with konversation
[01:33] <wackjack> is there any way to add add/remove packages... for example, I want to install Aptana it's not listed as any apps under Add/Remove programs and All available Applications
[01:33] <ubuntu__> my kubuntu installs are wonkers
[01:34] <Contrast> wackjack: Check in Adept Manager
[01:34] <CPrgmSwR2> what is  your real nick ubuntu__
[01:34] <ubuntu__> hmm
[01:34] <maver1ck> Contrast, 1. only problem is that on logout dialog there is only one button - log out
[01:34] <wackjack> contrast: what is that?
[01:34] <ubuntu__> i stuck with ubuntu_ all day
[01:34] <jabagawee_> but i can live with this name
[01:34] <jabagawee_> i dont think any of you know me as jabagawee, just ubuntu_
[01:34] <CPrgmSwR2> lol
[01:34] <CPrgmSwR2> I am just happy I got kde4 working
[01:34] <jabagawee_> hmm
[01:35] <jabagawee_> my install blew up on me
[01:35] <Contrast> wackjack: If it's not there, google around for a deb, then an rpm if you can't find that (you'll need alien to install rpm's), and if all else fails, you have to compile from source.
[01:35] <jabagawee_> and i had so much stuff installed
[01:35] <Contrast> wackjack: K Menu -> System -> Adept Manager
[01:35] <jabagawee_> so can anyone halp me do a mini-backup
[01:35] <CPrgmSwR2> Try having a gentoo install where everything is compiled... I had it prefectly set up and  fsck my hard drive not knowing what I had done and come to find out all data was deleted
[01:35] <Contrast> wackjack: Adept Manager lists every single available package, rather than just the programs that have .desktop files (like Adept Installer - Add/Remove) does
[01:35] <jabagawee_> i just want: files on desktop, config files for mozilla, evolution, gaim, ktorrent, and some half-finished ktorrent downloads
[01:35] <wackjack> ooo
[01:36] <jabagawee_> hmm
[01:36] <maver1ck> wackjack, http://afterxleep.com/blog/ubuntu-aptana-repository/
[01:38] <wackjack> wtf
[01:38] <wackjack> that opens up my original web authoring software
[01:40] <jarn> Do changes made in nvidia-settings impact games that are already running?
[01:41] <Contrast> jarn: My guess would be probably not
[01:41] <jarn> Contrast: Okay, thanks.
[01:41] <Contrast> jarn: Some of the settings in there don't take effect until you restart X, I think
[01:41] <jabagawee_> any ideas how to salvage any files before i reinstall?
[01:41] <Contrast> np
[01:41] <jarn> Contrast: Do you know which are which?
[01:42] <Contrast> jarn: Not offhand. Haven't used nvidia-settings in a goog while
[01:42] <jarn> Contrast: Okay, thanks anyway.
[01:42] <Contrast> jabagawee_: From the live CD - K Menu -> System -> QtParted
[01:42] <Contrast> yw
[01:43] <jabagawee_> hmm
[01:43] <jabagawee_> whats that o
[01:43] <jabagawee_> do
[01:43] <SillyZ> greetings, need a lil help with a pxeboot installation
[01:44] <Contrast> jabagawee_: You'll want to open a terminal and do "sudo mkdir /media/original" "sudo mkdir /media/partition2"
[01:44] <Contrast> jabagawee_: (You can name those folders whatever you want, as long as they're in /media)
[01:44] <jabagawee_> okay
[01:44] <jabagawee_> and then?
[01:45] <Contrast> jabagawee_: Then "sudo mount /dev/name-of-partition-youre-trying-to-rescue /media/original"
[01:45] <jabagawee_> hmm
[01:45] <jabagawee_> the partition im saving
[01:45] <Contrast> jabagawee_: right
[01:45] <jabagawee_> sda6
[01:45] <Contrast> jabagawee_: With me so far?
[01:46] <jabagawee_> yea
[01:46] <jabagawee_> done everything so far
[01:46] <Contrast> jabagawee_: then "sudo konqueror", go to /media/original and delete all the stuff you don't want
[01:46] <jabagawee_> umm
[01:46] <jabagawee_> lets not do that
[01:46] <jabagawee_> there may be some hope left
[01:47] <jabagawee_> how bout i just move files to a flash drive?
[01:47] <Contrast> jabagawee_: You could do that too. I was gonna suggest moving them to a seperate partition, but whatever's clever
[01:47] <jabagawee_> hmmm
[01:47] <G3NESIS> I had a problem with the Diskmount script for accessing windows partitions, and was told to use "ntfs-3g" and "ntfs-config". I've installed them, so can someone please tell me how do I use them?
[01:47] <jabagawee_> okay
[01:48] <Dr_willis> ntfs-config is  a command ya run.
[01:48] <Dr_willis> !ntfs-3g
[01:48] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[01:48] <jabagawee_> sudo konqueror keeps crashing
[01:48] <jabagawee_> on me
[01:48] <Dr_willis> crashing with coredumps? or just failing to start?
[01:48] <Contrast> jabagawee_: Try Alt+F2 -> kdesu konqueror
[01:49] <Contrast> Or maybe Konqueror doesn't even have to be run as root for it to do this stuff if you're running off the live CD, I'm not sure
[01:49] <Contrast> I thought it did though
[01:50] <Contrast> Sorry, I don't know much. :-P
[01:50] <jabagawee_> how do i know what progs i have installed
[01:50] <jabagawee_> in the sda6
[01:51] <Contrast> jabagawee_: I'm guessing you're getting an error when GRUB tries to boot?
[01:51] <jabagawee_> no
[01:51] <jabagawee_> not even close
[01:51] <jabagawee_> i can boot
[01:51] <jabagawee_> but everything is all screwy
[01:52] <Contrast> Screwy to the point where you can't open Adept to see what's installed?
[01:53] <Contrast> I'm like, 99% sure there's a file somewhere that lists every package installed on your system, but I've no idea where to look for it. Possibly /etc/apt
[01:54] <Contrast> nevermind, it's not there
[01:54] <Dr_willis> i think theres some apt? command that can list them all
[01:55] <Tm_T> dpkg --get-selections | grep install ?
[01:55] <Tm_T> no, that's not right
[01:56] <Contrast> I think I can hear jabagawee_ banging his head from here.
[01:57] <Tm_T> dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstall
[01:57] <Tm_T> to list only installed packages
[01:59] <Tm_T> whops
[01:59] <Tm_T> that list also purged
[01:59] <Tm_T> oh well, just more grep
[01:59] <crdlb> dpkg -l|grep ii ?
[01:59] <darkrift> i got a q
[01:59] <Tm_T> heh
[01:59] <Tm_T> that too
[01:59] <darkrift> i tried installing an ocr program yesterday
[02:00] <darkrift> and it didnt havce many intrusctions
[02:00] <darkrift> the instructions seemed to be aimed at redhat or soemthing, so im missing dependancies i believe
[02:00] <G3NESIS> !nvidia
[02:00] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:01] <darkrift> In addition to tesseract, a few development libraries had to be installed, but this is a breeze with urpmi:
[02:01] <darkrift> # urpmi jam aspell-devel libtiff-devel libpng-devel libjpeg-devel
[02:01] <darkrift> i tried getting those with apt-get, no luck
[02:02] <Tm_T> darkrift: prolly -dev
[02:03] <darkrift> when i try to ./configure, i get this
[02:03] <darkrift> checking for /usr/local/include/tesseract/baseapi.h... no
[02:03] <darkrift> Tesseract headers not found in `/usr/local/include/tesseract'!
[02:04] <Tm_T> darkrift: mind to do "locate baseapi.h | grep tess" ?
[02:06] <darkrift> nothing returned
[02:06] <ivan_> hi hi
[02:07] <ivan_> Can anyone point me to some resources on how getting Ubuntu working well with a Thinkpad X41?
[02:07] <ivan_> I'm have some issues with the Trackpoint and keyboard.
[02:08] <Tm_T> darkrift: hmm, then you have to find out where that file is, maybe do searching in packages.ubuntu.com and almighty google
[02:09] <Daisuke_Ido> Tm_T: is it possible his locate db is way outdated?
[02:10] <Tm_T> sure it is
[02:10] <osiris> where do i change the workgroup my smb shares are on ?  for the server side of samba
[02:12] <osiris> i thought there was a feild in the system settings someplace
[02:16] <darkrift> if anyone here can go to http://groundstate.ca/ocr and scroll down to the tesseract part and figure out how to install this on kubuntu, id be greatly appreciative :)
[02:16] <darkrift> been working on it for 2 days now
[02:16] <darkrift> and since its not official kubuntu software, i didnt wanna ask in here
[02:17] <mattsqz> um
[02:17] <G3NESIS> How do I disable x server?
[02:17] <wolferine> how do you setup sendmail ?
[02:18] <mattsqz> http://code.google.com/p/tesseract-ocr/   ?
[02:18] <mattsqz> http://code.google.com/p/tesseract-ocr/downloads/list
[02:19] <mattsqz> what is it exactly that is giving you rproblems?
[02:24] <darkrift> odd
[02:24] <G3NESIS> I'm trying to install nvidia drivers, the information on the ubuntu help page isn't of much help, can someone point me in the right direction.
[02:24] <darkrift> figured linux would be plug n play with usb mice
[02:24] <darkrift> damnit
[02:25] <mattsqz> l/me stifles laughter
[02:26] <mattsqz> kubuntu should work automagically with usb mice
[02:26] <mattsqz> is it that particular mouse maybe
[02:27] <mattsqz> or perhaps your usb ports
[02:27] <mattsqz> g3nesis, which nvidia drivers are you trying to install, there are many
[02:28] <terrestre> !mono
[02:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mono - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:29] <G3NESIS> Uhm...I don't even know which I need to install.
[02:29] <mattsqz> well, what is it that you are trying to do
[02:30] <G3NESIS> I
[02:30] <mattsqz> do you need 3d? trying to run a game, or beryl?
[02:30] <terrestre> !es
[02:30] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[02:30] <G3NESIS> I just need a higher res for now.
[02:30] <Tm_T> G3NESIS: what exaclty is your problem?
[02:30] <G3NESIS> this 1024 is making my head hurt.
[02:30] <Tm_T> G3NESIS: check your xorg.conf
[02:30] <G3NESIS> How do I do that?
[02:31] <G3NESIS> I'm a total newb at linux. I just installed Kubuntu last night.
[02:31] <wayl_> join #php-es
[02:31] <Tm_T> G3NESIS: "kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[02:31] <mattsqz> you might also check "system settings"
[02:32] <Tm_T> mattsqz: it's using highest resolution automatically, I think
[02:32] <mattsqz> mine defaulted to 1024x768
[02:32] <mattsqz> even though up to 1280x1024 was available
[02:32] <Tm_T> interesting
[02:33] <Tm_T> but still loonking xorg.conf is not a bad idea
[02:33] <coreymon77> ya
[02:33] <mattsqz> im using a geforce 6100, might make a difference
[02:33] <coreymon77> its better to do it in system settings
[02:33] <Tm_T> coreymon77: sure
[02:33] <Tm_T> G3NESIS: got it?
[02:33] <vip3rousmango> whoa, hello everyone
[02:34] <mattsqz> mucking with xorg.conf the wrong way can break the monitor & display applet
[02:34] <Tm_T> G3NESIS: hit alt+F2 to have launcher open and enter that command I gave you to it
[02:34] <wolferine> how can I send emails using php?
[02:34] <Tm_T> mattsqz: hey, we are not editing it now ;-P
[02:34] <Tm_T> mattsqz: just looking
[02:34] <G3NESIS> Ok i'm there.
[02:34] <wolferine> i installed the sendmail, but no idea on how to set it up, nor php
[02:34] <G3NESIS> All the info is right down to the monitor.
[02:34] <Tm_T> G3NESIS: see resolutions there?
[02:35] <Tm_T> and they are ok?
[02:35] <ebc> algun admin de kubuntu-es por aqui ?
[02:35] <Tm_T> mattsqz: saw I didn't gave kdesu or anything, so he can't edit it
[02:35] <mattsqz> ic
[02:35] <Tm_T> ebc: /join #kubuntu-es ?
[02:36] <Tm_T> G3NESIS: what you see is heart of your monitor and controller settings, so if things go bad, you might end up editing those
[02:37] <Tm_T> G3NESIS: if resolutions there is ok, just close it, it's fine
[02:37] <Tm_T> G3NESIS: then jump into system settings and try if you can set higher resolution there
[02:38] <G3NESIS> I have a set of resolutions under the screen subsection.
[02:38] <Tm_T> and?
[02:38] <G3NESIS> Is that what I'm suppose to look for.
[02:38] <Tm_T> yu
[02:39] <G3NESIS> In the monitor settings I cant go any higher, than 1024
[02:39] <notebook> dae galera
[02:39] <Tm_T> hmm
[02:39] <Tm_T> !br | notebook
[02:39] <ubotu> notebook: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[02:39] <vip3rousmango> anyone know how to get ubuntu to read .rar files? I've been looking online and although I can find post, i still have no idea wtf im doing
[02:40] <coreymon77> vip3rousmango: sudo apt-get install rar unrar
[02:41] <vip3rousmango> in terminal??
[02:41] <G3NESIS> Tm_T: I've figured it out.
[02:41] <coreymon77> yup
[02:41] <vip3rousmango> kk, i'll try it now
[02:41] <vip3rousmango> thanks
[02:41] <Tm_T> G3NESIS: all ok now?
[02:41] <coreymon77> vip3rousmango: install those packages and then ark will be able to do it
[02:41] <G3NESIS> I went into admin mode under monitor setting and changed the monitor.
[02:41] <Tm_T> ah ok
[02:42] <coreymon77> G3NESIS: wait a sec, the resolution is giving you a headache, so you want to increase it
[02:42] <G3NESIS> That was the problem.
[02:42] <coreymon77> G3NESIS: why would you want to make it smaller if you have a headache
[02:42] <G3NESIS> Near sighted.
[02:42] <G3NESIS> I have to back up to read.
[02:42] <coreymon77> G3NESIS: you mean far sighted
[02:42] <coreymon77> if your near sighted you would want a lower resolution
[02:43] <Tm_T> coreymon77: you can't imagine how bad it is to look 1024x768 after 1600x1200 ;-P
[02:43] <mattsqz> depends on screen size
[02:43] <vip3rousmango> coreymon77: thanks! it worked
[02:43] <G3NESIS> I just know it's easier to read small text then big.
[02:43] <mattsqz> sounds strange to me a resolution giving you a headache though
[02:43] <Daisuke_Ido> what would be the most appropriate FS for media storage.  i'll be adding media, but not deleting often...
[02:43] <mattsqz> its usually a refresh rate that bothers me ;)
[02:43] <vip3rousmango> coreymon77: you wouldn't happen to know of a terminal/command cheat-sheet? so i can start learning for linux
[02:44] <FroggyTheGreat> I'm trying to install Gutenprint 5.1.2 from source, and my "make" always errors out, even though the exact same tarball and exact same sequence of commands worked on my dad's Kubuntu box.  Any suggestions even where to begin to troubleshoot?
[02:44] <Tm_T> mattsqz: just like looking ms logo is giving you headache ;-P
[02:44] <mattsqz> today my nokia has been giving me a headache
[02:45] <vip3rousmango> today my girlfriend has been giving me a headache
[02:45] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm thinking probably ext3 because it's been around for a while
[02:45] <vip3rousmango> too bad i can't shutdown her ass :(
[02:45] <terrestre> jajaja maybe we need aspirin
[02:45] <mattsqz> trying to make openbox work under os2006
[02:45] <vip3rousmango> =\ nice
[02:45] <Tm_T> mattsqz: 770?
[02:45] <mattsqz> yup
[02:45] <terrestre> someone using mono?=
[02:46] <Tm_T> terrestre: what you mean by "using" here?
[02:46] <mattsqz> ive had it working under 2007he it doesnt disconnect wireless when i slide the cover on, and that drains battery
[02:46] <terrestre> sorry for my english, i mean, monodevelop
[02:47] <mattsqz> figured id start with openbox under 2006, and if i can get that working give kde a shot
[02:51] <FroggyTheGreat> I'm trying to install Gutenprint 5.1.2 from source, and my "make" always errors out, even though the exact same tarball and exact same sequence of commands worked on my dad's Kubuntu box.  Any suggestions even where to begin to troubleshoot?
[02:52] <mattsqz> what errors do you get
[02:53] <FroggyTheGreat> I'm trying again with a redownloaded package.  I'
[02:53] <FroggyTheGreat> ll tell you exactly once it happens.
[02:57] <FroggyTheGreat> Ok, I get a bunch of undeclared identifiers, and then Error 2 and that's when it exits.
[02:57] <FroggyTheGreat> Again, this exact tarball compile dfine on my dad's system.
[02:58] <louis_> hello?
[02:58] <louis_> first time on IRC. is anyone getting this?
[02:58] <FroggyTheGreat> Yes
[02:59] <louis_> oh sweet
[02:59] <louis_> first time on kubuntu too. so far so good =)
[02:59] <louis_> anyone know where I can get IRC support for modem?
[03:00] <mattsqz> irc support for modem? ....
[03:00] <louis_> sorry. i'm trying to get my modem to work
[03:00] <louis_> and i can get on irc but not on the world wide web
[03:00] <louis_> and i was wondering if there was a channel for that
[03:00] <wolferine> how can I test if sendmail is working?
[03:00] <Tm_T> louis_: you mean: you can get irc traffic through, but not http?
[03:00] <louis_> yes
[03:01] <louis_> and Kopete works too
[03:01] <Tm_T> louis_: any proxy in use?
[03:01] <mattsqz> dns
[03:01] <Tm_T> mattsqz: irc and msn uses dns too
[03:01] <mattsqz> not always
[03:01] <louis_> no proxy. direct connect. that's how it should be
[03:01] <louis_> as far as DNS i left it on default
[03:01] <Minataku> louis_: How did you connect to the IRC server?
[03:02] <louis_> i just started Konversation ...
[03:02] <Tm_T> plop, dns
[03:02] <Minataku> But the web browser doesn't go anywhere?
[03:02] <louis_> nope
[03:02] <Minataku> Try again
[03:02] <louis_> it says it can't find the host
[03:02] <Minataku> Try typing in www.google.com
[03:03] <mattsqz> try pointing your browser to http://<IP_ADDRESS>/  <--thats google also
[03:03] <Minataku> Just in case something is up with whatever default page Kubuntu is pointed to
[03:03] <Minataku> mattsqz: One at a time
[03:03] <louis_> mattsqz:  it wont connect
[03:03] <louis_> and i tried google.com
[03:03] <louis_> same problem
[03:03] <Tm_T> hmm, I wonder if https works
[03:03] <Minataku> louis_: That makes no sense :\
[03:04] <Minataku> Unless you messed with some firewall settings somewhere
[03:04] <Minataku> Someone get me an HTTP server on 8080
[03:04] <Minataku> Or get it for him, rather
[03:04] <mattsqz> http://glcfapp.umiacs.umd.edu:8080/esdi/index.jsp
[03:04] <Tm_T> hmm, why I have nat on
[03:04] <Tm_T> GAH!
[03:04] <Minataku> louis_: Try going there
[03:04] <osiris> how about 6969 ?
[03:04] <Minataku> Thanks, mattsqz
[03:05] <louis_> adept doesnt work either. the packages are grayed out
[03:05] <Daisuke_Ido> apparently kubuntu doesn't like users toying with swap space while it's working...
[03:05] <Minataku> louis_: Try going to http://glcfapp.umiacs.umd.edu:8080/esdi/index.jsp
[03:05] <louis_> just konversation and kopete work so far
[03:05] <louis_> oh and my modem dies unexpectedly
[03:05] <Minataku> Daisuke_Ido: That's a bad idea no matter what the OS
[03:05] <Daisuke_Ido> (moved swap from a slow pata hd to the new sata hd)
[03:05] <Daisuke_Ido> just required a reboot
[03:06] <Tm_T> Daisuke_Ido: it doesn't
[03:06] <Minataku> Of course
[03:06] <Tm_T> Daisuke_Ido: swapoff && swapon
[03:06] <mattsqz> you can safely do it if you set up 2 swaps and switch em up properly
[03:06] <Daisuke_Ido> probably could have done it without a reboot, but hey
[03:06] <Daisuke_Ido> mattsqz: i set up a second swap first
[03:06] <Tm_T> louis_: welcome back
[03:06] <Minataku> Tm_T: I'd turn on the new first
[03:06] <louis_> i'm back... again. damn
[03:06] <mattsqz> my nokia craps all over me if i drop the mmc1 partition while swap is on hehe
[03:06] <louis_> lol
[03:06] <Minataku> Then turn off the old
[03:06] <Tm_T> Minataku: naaah
[03:06] <Tm_T> Minataku: who uses swap anyway ;--P
[03:06] <Daisuke_Ido> but hey, i'm still learning :D
[03:06] <Minataku> Really, though, I'd reboot for such an operation anyway
[03:06] <louis_> yeah my modem dies sometimes too
[03:06] <mattsqz> but it doesnt use a seperate swap part
[03:07] <Minataku> It just seems like the proper thing to do, even with Linux
[03:07] <Minataku> It's best to let it set the swap up properly
[03:07] <Daisuke_Ido> but everything is in working order
[03:07] <louis_> why would IRC and AIM work but not http?
[03:07] <Daisuke_Ido> and i now have an empty 279gb partition i can move my music to
[03:08] <mattsqz> they operate on different ports, louis
[03:08] <Minataku> louis_: Try going to http://glcfapp.umiacs.umd.edu:8080/esdi/index.jsp
[03:08] <Daisuke_Ido> louis_: because port 80's blocked?
[03:08] <louis_> it said could not connect to host
[03:08] <Minataku> If that works, you have port 80 blocked somewhere
[03:08] <louis_> how do i unblock a port in kubuntu?
[03:08] <louis_> or what would be blocking it?
[03:08] <mattsqz> so...you're on dialup, louis?
[03:08] <louis_> i dont have a firewall
[03:08] <louis_> yeah i'm on dialup
[03:08] <louis_> until september lol
[03:09] <Daisuke_Ido> now for the next phase, swapping mount points for storage and music
[03:10] <louis_> has anyone here ever used the linuxant modem drivers?
[03:11] <Minataku> Let's see if virtualbox 1.4.0 compiles
[03:11] <Minataku> 1.3.8 exploded
[03:11] <mattsqz> im about to give up on os2006 for this use
[03:11] <mattsqz> ill just keep it on the flash rom and put 2007 on the mmc :\
[03:12] <Minataku> Cellphone and pocket PC hardware totally suck due to their ultra-proprietary nature
[03:12] <arthur_kalm> hi everyone, I was wondering if this: http://gimpel.gi.funpic.de/wiki/index.php?title=Howto:convert_aac/mp4_to_wav/mp3/ogg_on_Linux is lossless
[03:12] <arthur_kalm> i.e. convering aac (m4a) to mp3... is it lossless?
[03:12] <Daisuke_Ido> is it lossless aac?
[03:12] <Minataku> No
[03:12] <louis_> no
[03:12] <Minataku> MP3 is a lossy format
[03:12] <khaije1> !ipod
[03:12] <ubotu> For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto See !rockbox for information on liberating your iPod
[03:13] <Minataku> If you ask me, there's no difference
[03:13] <louis_> and i think you lose data when converting between most audio formats
[03:13] <mattsqz> this isnt proprietary so much..its basically busybox
[03:13] <Daisuke_Ido> if you wanted to convert a lossless aac to wav you're fine
[03:13] <Minataku> If you're some elitist audiophile then it's like listening to a toilet
[03:13] <Minataku> (There's really no difference, hint)
[03:13] <louis_> lol minataku
[03:13] <Daisuke_Ido> louis_: NOT true.  flac, shn, ape, wav
[03:13] <Daisuke_Ido> all are lossless
[03:13] <louis_> really?
[03:13] <arthur_kalm> khaije1: I know how to sync to the ipod :P
[03:13] <G3NESIS> Ok, I still can't get a resolution higher than 1024.
[03:13] <Daisuke_Ido> and i used to think the same way Minataku
[03:13] <arthur_kalm> louis: so it is lossfull?
[03:13] <Minataku> Daisuke_Ido: I always assume some loss of data in any format transfer
[03:14] <louis_> yeah i thought it was
[03:14] <arthur_kalm> Daisuke_Ido: I'm asking about converting from aac to mp3
[03:14] <G3NESIS> I restarted x and the setting revert back to 1024
[03:14] <louis_> aac to mp3 should be
[03:14] <Minataku> Really, from analog to digital, you're already losing a lot of detail
[03:14] <khaije1> arthur_kalm: hmm? i want to replace the firmware w/ linux
[03:14] <Daisuke_Ido> there are very VERY few times, but there are times, when i can tell a difference between a lossless and lossy format
[03:14] <Minataku> Analog has no sampling rate
[03:14] <Daisuke_Ido> Minataku: that's before it ever gets to us though
[03:14] <Minataku> Technically infinite
[03:14] <louis_> arthur, if you're just putting it on your ipod then don't worry about it
[03:14] <arthur_kalm> khaije1: hehe forget it, u pulled up the ipod thing :P
[03:15] <Daisuke_Ido> cd --> any lossless format is just that, lossless
[03:15] <louis_> if it's for some speciallist application, then I'm not qualified to answer
[03:15] <khaije1> arthur_kalm: oh, the ubotu query was for my information, not to call to yr attention
[03:15] <Daisuke_Ido> no loss of data
[03:15] <arthur_kalm> khaije1: oh hehe
[03:15] <Daisuke_Ido> but 99% of the time, v0 sounds just the same
[03:15] <Minataku> Daisuke_Ido: I didn't say there was significant loss of data
[03:15] <Minataku> Maybe one bit out of billions ;3
[03:15] <arthur_kalm> louis_: err well i have good earphones, so I don't want to hear any difference
[03:15] <Minataku> XD
[03:15] <louis_> i really doubt you will
[03:15] <louis_> as in REALLY doubt it
[03:16] <arthur_kalm> louis_: well the _only_ reason I have for converting is that I want to use kid3 and it doesn't support aac...
[03:16] <ubuntu_> hello to everyone!
[03:16] <Daisuke_Ido> arthur_kalm: you won't hear a difference
[03:16] <louis_> then i'd suggest you keep the quality as high as possible for mp3
[03:16] <Daisuke_Ido> you're converting a music collection to use a preferred TAGGING app?
[03:16] <dhuv> hello all
[03:17] <louis_> hey dhuv
[03:17] <arthur_kalm> Daisuke_Ido: even with my sennheuser pxc-250s
[03:17] <Daisuke_Ido> arthur_kalm: if you're superman, you might hear a difference.  you're not.  you won't.
[03:17] <dhuv> I am using the default power manager app that installed with kubuntu
[03:17] <Minataku> Daisuke_Ido: Forget it, he's gonna hear a difference. He WANTS to.
[03:17] <ubuntu_> I need to install grub in my MBR sata disk. Can anyone please tell me how  to do this
[03:17] <louis_> lol. arthur. go for it ;-)
[03:17] <Daisuke_Ido> like i said, i've come across perhaps three instances EVER where i can hear any difference whatsoever
[03:17] <dhuv> it works well, but I cannot set a warning time to let me know when it will go to standby
[03:17] <Minataku> Then he's gonna come back here and bitch that you were wrong and you ruined his music collection and blah blah blah
[03:18] <dhuv> so while I am working it goes into standby unless I notice that the batter is almost out
[03:18] <louis_> haha well hopefully he can't find me
[03:18] <louis_> if so, my mma training might have a practical application
[03:18] <Minataku> arthur_kalm: Leave them in AAC
[03:18] <Daisuke_Ido> he's converting a collection to appease a tagging program
[03:18] <arthur_kalm> Daisuke_Ido: oh OK, and I want to use kid3 b/c the only app that supports changing tags in linux is amarok as afaik
[03:18] <Daisuke_Ido> that's farking retarded.
[03:18] <Daisuke_Ido> so use amarok
[03:18] <dhuv> is there anything I can do to enable that functionality or should I install a different power management application, and if so, which one do you recommend
[03:18] <Minataku> Sorry, audiophiles piss me off, they're like Mac users
[03:19] <Daisuke_Ido> if you're an audiophile you know that converting from lossy to lossy is a cardinal sin
[03:19] <louis_> Minataku, well said
[03:19] <arthur_kalm> Daisuke_Ido: I like the way that kid3 can rename the file into a specific format (one which I use, I hate the one that comes from iTunes)
[03:19] <louis_> mac users and audiophiles shit pretention
[03:19] <Minataku> Indeed
[03:19] <arthur_kalm> lol i'm not an audiophile at all
[03:19] <ubuntu_> I need to install grub in my MBR sata disk. Can anyone please tell me how  to do this
[03:19] <Minataku> arthur_kalm: You gave us the make and model of your headphones
[03:19] <Daisuke_Ido> how much did you pay for a pair of headphones?
[03:19] <louis_> haha i know. we're speaking in generalities =)
[03:19] <Minataku> Don't lie
[03:19] <Minataku> XD
[03:19] <Daisuke_Ido> you're an audiophile
[03:19] <Minataku> Sorry, I don't mean to give you a hard time
[03:20] <Minataku> I'm just thirsty and angry
[03:20] <arthur_kalm> Minataku: hehe I'm proud of my headphones, but they're not the best
[03:20] <Minataku> >.<
[03:20] <louis_> sike sike i kid i kid!
[03:20] <arthur_kalm> hehe
[03:20] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm a moderate audiophile, up to the point of preferring v0 mp3s, past that i don't care
[03:20] <Minataku> If I can hear music I'm happy
[03:20] <arthur_kalm> well does anyone know anything else I can use to rename the files using the tags into a specific format
[03:20] <louis_> haha I'm an audiophile up to the point of getting music out of my car stereo
[03:20] <arthur_kalm> I use "%a - %t - %s"
[03:20] <louis_> past taht I don't care
[03:20] <Minataku> arthur_kalm: Tagging a file doesn't change it's format
[03:20] <Minataku> It just adds metadata to the file
[03:21] <dhuv> arthur_kalm: amarok or juk should do that
[03:21] <Daisuke_Ido> arthur_kalm: amarok works great for renaming
[03:21] <dhuv> do you have either installed
[03:21] <arthur_kalm> ahahah
[03:21] <arthur_kalm> great :)
[03:21] <dhuv> I have not used it, but you can try kid3
[03:21] <arthur_kalm> thank you
[03:21] <Daisuke_Ido> dhuv: since amarok is default in kubuntu, i'd imagine yes.
[03:21] <arthur_kalm> I didn't notice that ;)
[03:21] <louis_> Can anyone help me with my modem issue?  or is there a channel i can go to?
[03:21] <arthur_kalm> thanks guys
[03:21] <arthur_kalm> hehe u saved me lots of time and trouble :D
[03:22] <Minataku> louis_: I don't think it's your modem
[03:22] <louis_> what do you think it is?
[03:22] <Minataku> But then I don't know wtf is wrong
[03:22] <louis_> haha i hear you
[03:22] <G3NESIS> Can someone help me with this stupid Resolution issue?
[03:22] <louis_> any ideas, however vague?
[03:22] <Minataku> Maybe it's your dumbass university
[03:22] <Daisuke_Ido> xrandr
[03:22] <Minataku> Call up their support barn and bitch them out
[03:22] <louis_> yeah that woulndn't surprise me
[03:22] <Daisuke_Ido> the catchall resolution answer :D
[03:22] <louis_> haha what should I say to sound smart?
[03:22] <Minataku> It's more than likely gonna be their fault
[03:22] <louis_> blah blah blah linux blah blah?
[03:22] <Minataku> louis_: Don't bother
[03:23] <Minataku> Immediately start swearing
[03:23] <Minataku> XD
[03:23] <arthur_kalm> hmm OK I don't get it... I try to change the filename schemes and it doesn't do anything...
[03:23] <louis_> lol
[03:23] <Minataku> Why sound smart when you can be an ass? :D
[03:23] <louis_> i like that. i'll have to write that down
[03:23] <mattsqz> most places wont even go any further when you mention linux
[03:23] <Minataku> Just tell them you can't access any websites but everything else works
[03:23] <louis_> well i guess i can deal with this until setpember
[03:23] <mattsqz> the call ends with "we dont support linux, i dont care if -our- server is down"
[03:23] <louis_> see that's the weird thing though
[03:23] <Minataku> Yeah, don't mention Linux right away
[03:23] <louis_> kubuntu works on their network
[03:24] <Daisuke_Ido> louis_: if you say linux they'll call you a geek and hang up.  if you say mac, they'll call you a pretentious heterosexually-challenged person and hang up.  just thell them you have windows and keep telling them it's their end.
[03:24] <G3NESIS> lol
[03:24] <arthur_kalm> hmm so does anyone know how to change file names on mass in amarok using the filename scheme... it doesn't seem to work :(*
[03:24] <louis_> Daisuke:  i'm sure that's true, but somehow i can't see that fixing the problem ;)
[03:24] <Minataku> Of course, if you tell them you have Windows they'll start talking really slowly and in tiny, easy to understand words
[03:24] <Daisuke_Ido> Minataku: that doesn't even work most of the time
[03:25] <louis_> haha "push the left button on the thingy in your hand..."
[03:25] <Minataku> And _still_ not help
[03:25] <Minataku> XD
[03:25] <Daisuke_Ido> arthur_kalm: select the files you want and choose "move to collection"
[03:25] <Daisuke_Ido> then set your preferred filename scheme in that dialog
[03:25] <Minataku> The general computing office at the Uni I go to is completely useless
[03:25] <louis_> yeah
[03:25] <Daisuke_Ido> same
[03:25] <Minataku> It surprises me that the people they hire can tell a monitor from a TV
[03:25] <louis_> i got busted for downloading music and they wanted me to reinstall my OS
[03:25] <arthur_kalm> Daisuke_Ido: ahhh it has to be in the collection, OK cool
[03:25] <mattsqz> amarok has been pissing me off lately...it doesnt like week and a half long playlists
[03:25] <louis_> they freaked when I had linux
[03:25] <Daisuke_Ido> arthur_kalm: no
[03:25] <terrestre> someone know something about monodevelop?
[03:25] <G3NESIS> OK, I've installed in Nvidia drivers and setup my monitor but I cant achieve a resolution higher than 1024x768 can someone help me please.
[03:26] <Daisuke_Ido> you can use the files view to get to anything anywhere
[03:26] <Minataku> terrestre: It'll give you mono
[03:26] <louis_> they were like "wtf is this?!  windows or nothing you heretic!"
[03:26] <Minataku> As in mononucleosis
[03:26] <Daisuke_Ido> but moving to your collection is how it renames
[03:26] <Dragnslcr> terrestre- it more or less works
[03:26] <arthur_kalm> Daisuke_Ido: oh... but I want it to keep the folder structure and such... is it possible to change it's filename without _moving_ it?
[03:26] <Minataku> G3NESIS: You have to reconfigure X to allow resolutions higher than 1024x768
[03:26] <louis_> so would their lack of support explain why my modem keeps hanging up too?
[03:27] <Minataku> louis_: I don't know
[03:27] <Minataku> You'll have to call them and complain
[03:27] <louis_> because it's error 16 which is something about them not responding to a query...
[03:27] <Daisuke_Ido> arthur_kalm: i don't really know
[03:27] <louis_> can do
[03:27] <terrestre> im pretty noob on programing, i want to import a visual studio code but i cant
[03:27] <Minataku> If they try to tell you that it's your fault for using Linux tell them to shut the hell up and help you
[03:27] <louis_> damn... and here i thought a modem was a modem...
[03:27] <louis_> yeah that's not a bad way to do it
[03:27] <Minataku> Or just go to your Uni's CS dept.
[03:27] <arthur_kalm> Daisuke_Ido: it's OK i'll play around with it, thank you
[03:28] <louis_> i live right down the street from them too, i could bring my machine
[03:28] <Minataku> They'll probably be able to help you
[03:28] <louis_> CS being counterstrike?
[03:28] <Minataku> ...
[03:28] <mattsqz> hahahaha
[03:28] <louis_> jk
[03:28] <Minataku> Computer Science
[03:28] <mattsqz> computer science ;)
[03:28] <Daisuke_Ido> their job isn't to pass judgement on your os, their job is to get your things working.
[03:28] <louis_> yeah i wasnt kidding...
[03:28] <louis_> but that's not a bad idea either
[03:28] <Minataku> The CS guys at my Uni know their stuff
[03:28] <louis_> where do you go?
[03:28] <Minataku> And more than just stupid Windows
[03:28] <Minataku> ODU
[03:29] <Minataku> !X11
[03:29] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:29] <Dragnslcr> Anyone know offhand if Beryl and Quake 3 is a pair that just won't work? Q3 has an annoying habit of crashing if another window tries to grab focus
[03:29] <louis_> cool cool
[03:29] <Minataku> There ya go, G3NESIS
[03:29] <Daisuke_Ido> Dragnslcr: won't work anyway
[03:29] <Daisuke_Ido> q3 uses gl, right?
[03:29] <Dragnslcr> Yeah
[03:29] <louis_> oh. totally unrelated question:  can i get beryl to run on an ATI x300?
[03:29] <louis_> 128 mb?
[03:29] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, i wouldn't attempt beryl and q3 at the same time
[03:29] <mattsqz> dragnslcr: how is beryl configured..aiglx? xgl?
[03:29] <Minataku> You can barely get LINUX to run on an ATI _anything_
[03:30] <mattsqz> nvidia direct?
[03:30] <Dragnslcr> It works fine until something else tries to grab focus from Q3
[03:30] <louis_> aaah i just want the cool squiggly windows and the cube and all that good stuff
[03:30] <louis_> how should it be configured?
[03:30] <G3NESIS> Thanks minataku
[03:30] <Minataku> G3NESIS: No prob
[03:30] <Daisuke_Ido> start by removing the ati and sacrificing it in a ritual involving goats' blood
[03:30] <Minataku> Now I'm too damn thirsty to continue
[03:30] <mattsqz> dragnsclr: try messing in beryl's advanced menu, under rendering and rendering platform
[03:31] <louis_> lol nvidia fan?
[03:31] <Daisuke_Ido> no
[03:31] <Dragnslcr> mattsqz- I think XGL, but I'm not certain
[03:31] <Daisuke_Ido> i just want something that will work in linux
[03:31] <mattsqz> louis: ati is years behind with linux support
[03:31] <Daisuke_Ido> and ati isn't that something.
[03:31] <helene> Greets, everyone... Can someone tell me how to find the file for my modem (in /dev)? It's coming up in lspci, but there's no /dev/modem.
[03:31] <louis_> gotcha. does nvidia generally work?
[03:31] <Daisuke_Ido> honestly i'd prefer intel over nvidia
[03:31] <louis_> okay
[03:31] <helene> Daisuke_Ido: Same here
[03:32] <Daisuke_Ido> but using an amd processor, that's not a choice
[03:32] <helene> Too bad you can't buy Intel cards.
[03:32] <louis_> F*ck it. maybe I should just buy an external modem and a new card
[03:32] <Daisuke_Ido> exactly
[03:32] <Dragnslcr> mattsqz- know offhand which section that's under?
[03:32] <Daisuke_Ido> !beryl > louis_
[03:32] <Daisuke_Ido> there is a way to install beryl
[03:32] <Daisuke_Ido> not pretty, but i know it works alright
[03:32] <Daisuke_Ido> now i'm going to watch tv
[03:33] <helene> How can I find the file in /dev that points to my modem?
[03:33] <Dragnslcr> mattsqz- It's set to automatic
[03:34] <Dragnslcr> mattsqz- options are Nvidia, AIGLX, and XGL
[03:34] <mattsqz> mine is set to force nvidia under rendering platform and xgl under rendering
[03:34] <mattsqz> i havent tried quake3 but other gl apps work for me
[03:35] <louis_> okay. you guys are going to make fun of me, but fglrx is the proprietary ati driver right?
[03:35] <helene> louis_: That's correct
[03:35] <Dragnslcr> mattsqz- thanks, I'll give it a shot
[03:35] <louis_> sweet. and that's really got nothing to do with beryl
[03:35] <Zabulus> can someone suggest a p2p filesharing prgram to me?
[03:35] <Minataku> Zabulus: Bittorrent
[03:35] <mattsqz> zabulus: bittorrent
[03:36] <osiris> frostwire
[03:36] <Dragnslcr> KTorrent is pretty good
[03:36] <Minataku> BitTornado FTW
[03:36] <osiris> and ktorrent is awesome
[03:36] <louis_> so, if I have fglrx running for my ati card (that works. i've done it before) can i get the cool beryl themes with a 128mb card?
[03:36] <louis_> or is it still a tossup?
[03:36] <osiris> bandwidth scheduling, ip blocks, remote management
[03:36] <helene> louis_: There usually aren't too many L337 assholes in here. No need to worry about being ridiculed. :-)
[03:36] <louis_> helene:  good to know!  I guess linux-heads aren't like gamers
[03:36] <Zabulus> okay, so 2 votes for bittorrent, 1 for frostwire, 2 for ktorrent, and 1 for bittornado
[03:36] <louis_> and that's a good thing!
[03:36] <helene> louis_: Possibly. You might have to jump through a few flaming hoops to get it though.
[03:37] <louis_> how small and flaming are the hoops?
[03:37] <mattsqz> louis, it depends more on your gpu's generational features than memory size
[03:37] <louis_> oh gotcha
[03:37] <helene> Zabulus: +1 for Frostwire from me
[03:37] <louis_> do you know if a radeon x300 works off of the top of your head?
[03:37] <osiris> Zabulus, bittorrent, ktorrent, and bittornado are all torrent apps
[03:37] <Zabulus> just tying it up some more
[03:37] <Zabulus> lol
[03:37] <mattsqz> not off the top of my head but it might be too new
[03:37] <mattsqz> ill look it up
[03:37] <louis_> thanks!
[03:38] <louis_> too new... that's one you never hear
[03:38] <Zabulus> the last filesharing program i used was limewire, anything similar to that design?
[03:38] <helene> Can someone please tell me how to find the /dev file for my modem, which is being listed by lspci and lshw?
[03:38] <osiris> Zabulus, frostwire is built on limewire
[03:38] <Zabulus> ill have to try that one then, thanks
[03:38] <osiris> should be in the apt repos
[03:38] <helene> The only thing I don't like about Frostwire is it's in Java, so no system-wide theme integration
[03:39] <arthur_kalm> hmm does anyone know a program that can tag aac files? it seems amarok can't do it...
[03:39] <helene> Last I checked Frostwire wasn't in the official repositories
[03:39] <helene> arthur_kalm: gtkpod maybe?
[03:39] <louis_> you can get frostwire via automatix
[03:39] <helene> arthur_kalm: err gtkpod-aac
[03:39] <arthur_kalm> helene: hmm let me try
[03:39] <mattsqz> louis: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=700&num=1
[03:40] <crdlb> !automatix | louis_
[03:40] <ubotu> louis_: Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[03:40] <louis_> mattsqz:  http doesnt work
[03:40] <mattsqz> oooh right ;)
[03:40] <mattsqz> looks like an x300 can be made to work
[03:40] <louis_> haha oh the joys of dialup!
[03:40] <louis_> is it hard to do?
[03:41] <helene> crdlb: You wouldn't happen to know how to find the file that refers to a device in lspci would you?
[03:41] <mattsqz> from what im reading the drivers had to be reverse engineered
[03:41] <crdlb> helene, I don't understand
[03:42] <helene> crdlb: Like how you have /dev/hda1 which is your hard drive, I'm having trouble finding that file for my modem
[03:42] <mattsqz> louis are you using feisty?
[03:42] <louis_> yes
[03:42] <helene> crdlb: Trying to set up KPPP
[03:42] <crdlb> helene, well it's probably /dev/ppp0 I think
[03:43] <helene> crdlb: Hmm... There's just /dev/ppp - should I try that?
[03:43] <crdlb> sounds good
[03:43] <mattsqz> doesnt look too bad louis
[03:43] <mattsqz> shouldnt be very hard if you have a decent pipe to network..dialup would make me wanna break stuff apt-getting everything though
[03:44] <louis_> haha yeah it'll have to wait
[03:44] <Minataku> If you even could get it through in the first place >.<
[03:44] <louis_> are all the directions on that link you sent me?
[03:44] <louis_> bc if so, I'll just check that out once i have network access again
[03:44] <mattsqz> http://lhansen.blogspot.com/2006/10/beryl-and-xgl-on-ubuntu-linux-with-ati.html
[03:45] <mattsqz> use that one, its pretty straightforward
[03:45] <mattsqz> do everything up until it tells you to make a shell script...skip that nonsense
[03:45] <louis_> skip the shell script?
[03:45] <mattsqz> yes
[03:45] <mattsqz> the current version of beryl installs in ubuntu the menu stuff
[03:45] <louis_> do you have to edit config files and such? i tried it a few time and it always crapped out and fell back to metacity or KDE or whatever
[03:46] <mattsqz> you just have to change one item in xorg.conf
[03:46] <louis_> okay. that's just setting the default desktop right?
[03:46] <helene> aagggggghhhhhh
[03:47] <mattsqz> its changing the driver from a 2d driver to the glx driver
[03:47] <helene> I've been trying for like, 5 hours to get this damn modem working
[03:48] <mattsqz> damn, second modem user tonight..
[03:48] <helene> that might have been me. i was on under contrast earlier
[03:48] <helene> and/or mike
[03:48] <helene> (working on my grandmother's laptop)
[03:48] <louis_> okay. sounds doable
[03:48] <louis_> thanks matt!
[03:48] <louis_> and all you others
[03:49] <TyphoidHippo> Hi everyone - I'll get straight to the point - I have a server here, and I want it to act as a caching name server for all the machines in my LAN.  I have googled the crap out of this, and I tried using BIND with no success, and discovered that dnsmasq is more like what I should use, because it will use the hosts file on the server (where I can define my LAN machines) and also cache DNS queries for the rest of t
[03:49] <arthur_kalm> hmm OK so it seems amarok cannot properly read the aac tag's genre :(
[03:49] <sebastianhooker_> arthur_kalm: amarok isn't too reliable
[03:49] <namol> hey there!
[03:50] <sebastianhooker_> hey namol
[03:50] <arthur_kalm> sebastianhooker_: well it's my favourite player... it's the best one i know
[03:50] <sebastianhooker_> arthur_kalm: whatever it takes
[03:50] <helene> arthur_kalm: same here
[03:51] <arthur_kalm> hmm but I need something that will properly read these aac tags :S
[03:51] <helene> arthur_kalm: Did you try searching adept for "amarok aac"?
[03:51] <sebastianhooker_> i'll be back when people are alive and talkative
[03:51] <TyphoidHippo> I tried #dns first, but I've been in there for a while, and there's nobody alive in there...
[03:51] <helene> arthur_kalm: or even just "aac"
[03:51] <arthur_kalm> helene: yes I have, about the only thing that came up was gtkpod-aac
[03:52] <arthur_kalm> i've tried install all the other things, the libs, gstreamer0.8-faac, faac, etc
[03:52] <arthur_kalm> helene: I've just started using iTunes music store, it's turning out to be a pain in the ass :(
[03:52] <sebastianhooker_> by god! i've got it! iTunes!
[03:52] <helene> sorry, don't know what else to suggest
[03:52] <TyphoidHippo> alrighty, I'll try somewhere else - have a good day everyone
[03:52] <helene> arthur_kalm: yeah, that's what i've heard. part of the reason i'd never buy an ipod. :-)
[03:53] <Minataku> TyphoidHippo: Heh
[03:53] <helene> :-D
[03:53] <Minataku> That might be a bit "high-class" for this channel
[03:53] <Minataku> XD
[03:53] <arthur_kalm> helene: doesn't have much to do with having an iPod, just want a legal way to download music ;)... and since allofmp3 got closed down i'm out of luck
[03:53] <Minataku> Unfortunately, I haven't done much networking
[03:54] <namol> what's the problem?
[03:54] <TyphoidHippo> Minataku:lol, I figured it might be, but worth a shot anyway...  I'm running out of hair to pull out here!
[03:54] <arthur_kalm> helene: but thanks for the help... i'll have to try and figure this out later then...
[03:54] <helene> arthur_kalm: have you tried iTunes in WINE?
[03:54] <Minataku> TyphoidHippo: Even the hair... :O
[03:54] <namol> TyphoidHippo, what's the problem?
[03:54] <arthur_kalm> helene: looked it up and it says it doesn't work at all
[03:55] <TyphoidHippo> Well, I'm trying to get a caching name server going, but having problems.
[03:55] <namol> using what dns server? bind?
[03:55] <Minataku> Pulling out THAT hair had to hurt
[03:55] <Minataku> Sorry. Bored. >.<
[03:55] <TyphoidHippo> I wrote a long description of it up a ways, can I PM it o you?
[03:55] <namol> sure
[03:55] <TyphoidHippo> it might have been before you came in here
[03:55] <namol> yea i didn't see the problem so go ahead and pm it
[03:56] <helene> C'mon, this should be easy for some expert in here. How do I find the file in /dev that points to my modem?
[03:57] <Minataku> helene: Have you tried /dev/modem ?
[03:57] <helene> Minataku: Yep. Thanks anyway though
[03:57] <namol> helene, what's your cat /proc/devices say?
[03:59] <helene> namol: Umm... Not sure what I should be looking for in that?
[03:59] <namol> well that lists all connected devices to the machine
[03:59] <Minataku> helene: Heh
[04:00] <namol> general rule of thumb is that most modems are tty or ttys
[04:00] <Minataku> I don't have a modem so I can't really help, sorry >.<
[04:00] <Minataku> Yeah, usually they're a ttyS
[04:00] <namol> that's if its a serial modem
[04:00] <namol> what type of modem is it?
[04:00] <namol> it kinda depends
[04:00] <TyphoidHippo> I also tried #ubuntu for something a while back....but man, it's crazy in there.  Did you get that PM namol?  I don't mean to be impatient or anything...sorry if I come off that way.  I just don't know if this gaim is working with IRC correctly.
[04:01] <namol> hang on, let me register this nick lol
[04:02] <louis_> hey are there any external modem vendors that are known to be linux compatible (and not too expensive?)
[04:02] <helene> I did everything imaginable to get it working under Feisty, then found out from launchpad and a couple forum posts that it doesn't work in Feisty, but it "does" in Edgy. Installed Edgy, only to find out sl-modem-daemon and sl-modem-source (the packages I had to install for the modem to come up at all) aren't available in Edgy's repo's
[04:02] <namol> helene, what type of modem is it?
[04:03] <helene> namol: Modem: Intel Corporation 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Modem Controller (rev 02)
[04:03] <louis_> any chance it might be one of those incompatible winmodems?
[04:04] <TyphoidHippo> Did you get it that time, namol?  Thanks for your attention, too.  :-D
[04:05] <helene> namol: Well, I just tried making a link to /dev/ttyS0 and named it modem, then clicked "Query modem" in KPPP, and it looks like that crashed KPPP (sorry, can't send PM's)
[04:06] <helene> louis_: Already researched that, and I don't think it is
[04:06] <helene> louis_: Thanks though
[04:06] <louis_> helene:  np i realize i'm hopping in a bit late
[04:06] <louis_> and that i know virtually nothing
[04:06] <TyphoidHippo> This is weird, I guess gaim doesn' do this correctly.    Is there a command for that?
[04:10] <TyphoidHippo> (slash)register maybe?
[04:10] <namol>  /nickserver register password here
[04:11] <namol> nickserv
[04:11] <namol> not nickserver
[04:11] <crdlb> !register | TyphoidHippo
[04:11] <ubotu> TyphoidHippo: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[04:12] <TyphoidHippo> ok, it's registered
[04:13] <Dragnslcr> mattsqz- well, it didn't work
[04:13] <TyphoidHippo> this is funny....  I come here to get help with DNS, and end up spending all this time debugging my PMs.
[04:13] <namol> lol
[04:14] <louis_> hey could my http issues be DNS related?
[04:14] <louis_> i remember somebody breifly mentioned that
[04:14] <Dragnslcr> So is there anyway to get bluetooth devices to connect when the system boots instead of when I login? It's tough to type a password without a keyboard
[04:15] <namol> can you ping by name, ie google.com?
[04:15] <louis_> you talking to me namol?
[04:15] <louis_> and if so, how would i do that?
[04:16] <namol> louis_, yes
[04:16] <namol> try this
[04:16] <namol> in your web brwoser go to <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:16] <namol> that's one of google's ip addresses
[04:16] <namol> if it comes up
[04:17] <namol> then you have a dns problem
[04:17] <louis_> i typed it in the address bar
[04:17] <louis_> and it didnt work
[04:17] <louis_> Could not connect to host http://<IP_ADDRESS>
[04:17] <louis_> so it's not a dns problem or it is?
[04:18] <louis_> its not, right?
[04:18] <namol> well how did you connect to this server?
[04:18] <douglas> boa noite a todos
[04:18] <louis_> haha hell if i know.  i just started konversation and it worked
[04:18] <louis_> boa noite
[04:18] <louis_> kopete works too
[04:18] <louis_> adept doesn't and neither does konquerer's http
[04:20] <RawSewage> what HTTP issues
[04:20] <RawSewage> do you get lag before loading a page
[04:20] <mattsqz> no
[04:20] <louis_> no it just doesn't load
[04:20] <louis_> lol
[04:20] <RawSewage> oh
[04:20] <mattsqz> he cant get anything through port 80 or 8080 so far
[04:20] <louis_> yeah... weird
[04:20] <mattsqz> thats all we've checked
[04:20] <namol> do you have a proxy running?
[04:20] <louis_> what if i defined other ports for http?
[04:20] <louis_> no. no proxy
[04:20] <namol> or webbrowser pointing at a proxy?
[04:20] <louis_> and that's the way it should be
[04:21] <namol> what about port 443?
[04:21] <louis_> my web browser is set for direct connection, if that's what your asking. i'm not sure
[04:21] <louis_> how do i check? prot 443?
[04:21] <mattsqz> im pretty sure his browser is at default settings
[04:21] <louis_> yeah they should be
[04:21] <louis_> i messed with them, but set them back to default
[04:22] <namol> are you on dial-up or a lan?
[04:22] <louis_> dial-up
[04:22] <mattsqz> https://www.grc.com/port_443.htm
[04:22] <mattsqz> try that
[04:22] <louis_> i'm using the linuxant drivers if that helps
[04:23] <mattsqz> oops
[04:23] <mattsqz> lol
[04:23] <namol> well we know that you can communicate with the internet, or else you wouldn't be here
[04:23] <louis_> doesnt work
[04:23] <mattsqz> wrong tab
[04:24] <louis_> namol, that's what's so annoying about this!  it's so close, yet so far! =)
[04:24] <namol> oo i know!
[04:24] <namol> ok, bring up a console window
[04:24] <namol> and then telnet google.com 80
[04:24] <mattsqz> http://www.ges.gla.ac.uk:443/
[04:24] <louis_> do i just type telnet google.com 80?
[04:24] <namol> yup
[04:25] <louis_> louis@louis-desktop:~$ telnet google.com 80
[04:25] <louis_> Trying <IP_ADDRESS>...
[04:25] <louis_> Connected to google.com.
[04:25] <louis_> Escape character is '^] '.
[04:25] <louis_> that seems to work...
[04:26] <namol> ok that's good then
[04:26] <namol> so that tells us its your browser
[04:26] <louis_> okay
[04:26] <namol> while in the console, type ping google.com
[04:26] <namol> just to confirm that
[04:26] <namol> after a few hit crtl+c to stop it
[04:27] <louis_> namol, that seems to be working
[04:27] <louis_> -- google.com ping statistics ---
[04:27] <louis_> 17 packets transmitted, 16 received, 5% packet loss, time 15998ms
[04:27] <louis_> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 247.987/302.004/411.997/53.380 ms
[04:27] <namol> type sudo apt-get install lynx
[04:27] <namol> that's a text based web browser
[04:27] <louis_> okay. word of warning:  i dont think adept is working, but i dunno if that has anything to do with atp get
[04:28] <louis_> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[04:28] <louis_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[04:28] <louis_> sudo?
[04:28] <namol> yes, sudo
[04:28] <louis_> eading package lists... Done
[04:28] <louis_> Building dependency tree
[04:28] <louis_> Reading state information... Done
[04:28] <louis_> Package lynx is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:28] <louis_> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[04:28] <louis_> is only available from another source
[04:28] <louis_> E: Package lynx has no installation candidate
[04:29] <louis_> i hope i don't get flood-killed lol
[04:29] <louis_> PS- namol you're a godsend!
[04:29] <namol> what package is that thing in
[04:29] <namol> aptitude search lynx
[04:29] <louis_> how do i do that?
[04:30] <namol> just type aptitude search lynx
[04:30] <namol> :)
[04:30] <louis_> lol =)
[04:31] <louis_> doesnt do anything. goes right back to louis@louis-desktop
[04:31] <namol> doesn't return any results?
[04:31] <louis_> no
[04:31] <louis_> none
[04:31] <namol> try sudo aptitude search lynx
[04:31] <namol> if that doesn't work, try apt-get search lynx
[04:32] <namol> wait, apt-get can't search lol
[04:32] <namol> ignore that last one
[04:32] <louis_> haha okay
[04:32] <louis_> yeah still nothing
[04:32] <mattsqz> ..
[04:32] <mattsqz> its showing up in adept for me
[04:32] <namol> yea i know
[04:32] <namol> which is weird
[04:33] <namol> lynx shows up just find for me
[04:33] <louis_> do i need to enable repositories?
[04:33] <namol> what's your sources say?
[04:33] <namol> yes, yes you do
[04:33] <illriginal> Can someone help me install this file: cedega_6.0-1.i386.p2p.tgz
[04:33] <namol> cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:33] <gafanhoto> hello
[04:33] <gafanhoto> Boa noite do Rio de Janeiro, Brasil
[04:33] <TyphoidHippo> Awesome!  After I removed bind9, and restarted dnsmasq, it works like a champ...almost too easy, like magic.    Have a great day, guys!  Thanks again, namol, and I bookmarked that BIND tut, just in case I wanna get fancy with bind some day.
[04:34] <louis_> namol, did that, got a lot of text
[04:34] <louis_> i don't want to get flood killed, so i wont send it all
[04:34] <namol> excellent
[04:34] <mattsqz> just do this
[04:34] <illriginal> Can someone help me install this file: cedega_6.0-1.i386.p2p.tgz
[04:34] <mattsqz> 'apt-get update"
[04:34] <namol> apt-get update
[04:35] <namol> might need sudo apt-get update
[04:35] <mattsqz> most likely
[04:35] <Dragnslcr> illriginal- well, tar -zxvf will extract it
[04:35] <louis_> kowabunga!  it's updating
[04:35] <namol> illriginal, tar -zxvf cedega_6.0-1.i386.p2p.tgz
[04:35] <Dragnslcr> illriginal- after that, you'd probably want to follow the readme file if there is one
[04:35] <TyphoidHippo> And it works with whatever you define in the servers hosts file, so I am, of course going to reroute myspace.com to something repulsive just to see the reaction on my woman's face....
[04:36] <louis_> namol, i'll check in in 10 minutes or so when it's done updating
[04:36] <illriginal> nope there's no readme file in the tar file
[04:36] <namol> TyphoidHippo, make it go to kittenwar.net
[04:36] <Dragnslcr> illriginal- Cedega's site should have instructions
[04:36] <mattsqz> better yet
[04:37] <louis_> possibly 20 minutes or so
[04:37] <mattsqz> make myspace.com point to one of the many fake myspace login servers
[04:37] <Dragnslcr> illriginal- without knowing if it's source that you're supposed to compile or something else, all we can really do is guess
[04:37] <illriginal> hopefully :)
[04:37] <namol> make that kittenwar.com lol
[04:37] <mattsqz> instant spam flood
[04:37] <mattsqz> theyll even have her password to spam others with
[04:37] <mattsqz> her friends list will shrink
[04:37] <TyphoidHippo> yea, I looked at kittenwar.net, and I was like:  man this guy has no sense of humor
[04:37] <mattsqz> hooray success!
[04:37] <namol> lol
[04:38] <namol> TyphoidHippo, the fun thing would be to make all the traffic get routed to squid and then use squid to perform manipulations to the pages
[04:39] <TyphoidHippo> hahaha, I like kittenwar.com - but I was thinking of something like that one site that caused all the uproar...something with a goat.  She would probably throw her laptop out the window screaming.
[04:39] <mattsqz> goatse.cx
[04:39] <namol> http://www.ex-parrot.com/~pete/upside-down-ternet.html
[04:40] <namol> do that with the squid
[04:40] <mattsqz> though i believe its been moved from that domain
[04:40] <TyphoidHippo> YES!!!!  That's the one, namol!
[04:40] <TyphoidHippo> hahahah
[04:40] <TyphoidHippo> it's done
[04:40] <TyphoidHippo> Now to just wait
[04:40] <namol> are you married?
[04:40] <TyphoidHippo> she's probably on it right now
[04:40] <TyphoidHippo> yea
[04:40] <namol> not for long :P
[04:40] <TyphoidHippo> lol!!
[04:41] <TyphoidHippo> She's cool....for the most part.  After she freaks out, she'll think it's funny.    I'll tell her she got the first big linux virus, and I am so mad at her for it.
[04:44] <namol> i forgot what i was wanting to do
[04:44] <louis_> hey while i'm waiting for this update, how do you log into KDE as an admin?
[04:44] <louis_> lol that's like the greatest linux mystery for me
[04:45] <namol> oh yea, i can't remember the name of the stat program that runs on the desktop that shows cpuinfo/bandwith etc
[04:45] <louis_> namol, you were wanting to hold my hand and make my internet work ;-)
[04:45] <namol> on kubuntu, unless you've defined the root password, can't
[04:45] <namol> you can run programs as root
[04:45] <illriginal> I ran tar -zxvf cedega_6.0-1.i386.p2p.tgz but no install...
[04:46] <louis_> namol, ksysguard?
[04:46] <mattsqz> thats easy enough to do though
[04:46] <mattsqz> sudo passwd ;)
[04:46] <louis_> how do you define the root password?
[04:46] <namol> sudo passwd root :P
[04:46] <namol> at console
[04:47] <namol> illriginal, i bet it made a new folder though right?!
[04:47] <Minataku> louis_: DO NOT
[04:47] <illriginal> yeah after the extraction, then i had to extract another file.
[04:47] <Minataku> Run normal tasks as root
[04:47] <namol> Minataku, i totally agree
[04:47] <louis_> oh uh oh. i just did
[04:47] <namol> if you need to run a gui program as root for something, it will ask you for your password
[04:48] <illriginal> namol, now im here: /home/illriginal/Desktop/cedega-engine-6.0_[PtitGNU] /cedega-engine-6.0-local-update.i386.cpkg_FILES/cedega_6.0-1.i386.p2p.tgz_FILES
[04:48] <louis_> why is that bad?
[04:48] <ladyofthenight^^> Anybody know why the sound volume icon doesn't show up in the toolbar tray when I login?
[04:48] <illriginal> im tryin to go to their site and find instructions... but seems like they don't have one.
[04:48] <illriginal> at least not from what i can see ><
[04:48] <louis_> i just want to know so that i can get write permissions on some files in the etc folder
[04:48] <namol> why do you want to write to stuff in the etc?
[04:48] <louis_> is it bad that i defined a new UNIX password though?
[04:49] <namol> no
[04:49] <Minataku> louis_: Yes and no in that order
[04:49] <hitmanWilly> illriginal, you didn't need to unpack the cpkg, is there a deb file in the main dir?
[04:50] <hitmanWilly> illriginal, ok, nm, you need to download the cedega-small pkg for debian
[04:50] <louis_> okay. so as a general rule, i should stick to sudo if i need admin rights?
[04:50] <namol> yup
[04:51] <illriginal> hitmanwilly what are you talkin about? what small pakage?
[04:51] <illriginal> i have to download more files in order to get cedega to work?
[04:51] <hitmanWilly> on the cedega site there should be the option to download a pkg called cedega-small-<something>
[04:51] <illriginal> but I already have it...
[04:52] <illriginal> is that an additional file?
[04:52] <uzip> hi
[04:52] <louis_> namol, what do i need to do after the apt-get update is done?  get lynx right?
[04:52] <namol> yup
[04:52] <hitmanWilly> illriginal, ok, what file did you download? originally?
[04:53] <illriginal> cedega-engine-6.0-local-update.i386.cpkg
[04:53] <louis_> I ask bc the apt-get update is gonna take a while...
[04:53] <hitmanWilly> illriginal, ok, you need the cedega-small version...that's what installs the actual app
[04:53] <illriginal> but they only have a demo on their site...
[04:53] <illriginal> lol
[04:53] <billyd> Hello :-)
[04:54] <hitmanWilly> illriginal, the cedega-engine pkg is used by cedega itself
[04:54] <illriginal> ah ok.
[04:54] <namol> louis_, it shouldn't lynx isn't that big
[04:54] <hitmanWilly> illriginal, the engine is where all the proprietary stuff is at...
[04:55] <hitmanWilly> illriginal, is there a #cedega channel? they may be more help...
[04:55] <illriginal> there's no small pkg file
[04:56] <hitmanWilly> illriginal, it should be in a deb format
[04:56] <illriginal> yes, im lookin
[04:56] <illriginal> in the download area of their site
[04:56] <hitmanWilly> illriginal, ok, is this the actual transgaming.com site?
[04:57] <FroggyTheGreat> Hey all. I'm trying to get an Epson RX580 to work under Kubuntu FF.  I can get the drivers to show up in Gimp, but not the KDE print manager.  Any thoughts?
[04:57] <illriginal> yes,,,'
[04:57] <hitmanWilly> ok, ill give you a link...
[04:57] <FroggyTheGreat> I'm trying to use pipslite-install to make a .ppd file, but it's not detecting the printer.
[04:58] <TyphoidHippo> Hey, I've got another...more general question, since I see you guys are talking gaming now.  I've noticed on some games, like HL2, and STALKER, and a few others, that the directory structure they used....looks pretty linuxish.  Are games like that usually easier to get running in linux (ignoring the whole issue of steam for HL2, at least)?
[04:58] <Minataku> Heh
[04:58] <FroggyTheGreat> Any printer gurus online tonight?
[04:58] <namol> i just use wine to install anything
[04:58] <hitmanWilly> illriginal, http://downloads.cedega.com/files/cedega-small_6.0_all.deb
[04:59] <Minataku> They may be Windows games but we all know who has the better EVERYTHING
[04:59] <TyphoidHippo> It looks like they developed the games in linux, and I'm sure some, or a lot of them do, anyway.
[04:59] <hitmanWilly> illriginal, that should link you to the download file
[05:00] <namol> i'd help if i knew what that epson was and what a ppd is
[05:00] <namol> lol
[05:00] <illriginal> and this is the file i need in order to install my cedega which I already have and extracted?
[05:00] <namol> what type of printer is that epson? network/usb/parallel/serial?
[05:00] <FroggyTheGreat> It's a USB
[05:00] <hitmanWilly> illriginal, the file you downloaded was the engine...it'll need the original (unextracted) file to install
[05:01] <darkrift> Q
[05:01] <illriginal> lol hold on, im gonna find another place to download this file
[05:01] <hitmanWilly> illriginal, once you get the deb just use dpkg to install it
[05:01] <darkrift> why do my tray apps sometimes not make it to teh tray?
[05:01] <darkrift> they show up as a normal app with a titlebar button
[05:02] <TyphoidHippo> namol:  What game(s) would you recommend someone try out first (I have practically every decent game ever made for Windows...but I don't have Windows anymore, lol) to learn to use Wine?  I'm sure there are some that are very easy to get working...
[05:02] <FroggyTheGreat> My base problem is that it doesn't show up in the printer list in the Add Printer screen under KDE, but an ancillary problem is that pipslite-install can't find the actual printer, even though it's connected and turned on.
[05:02] <namol> all programs are easy to use with wine
[05:02] <TyphoidHippo> oh...well....ok then
[05:02] <namol> just wine installfile.exe
[05:02] <hitmanWilly> namol, assuming they work :P
[05:03] <TyphoidHippo> heh.  I didn't realize it was that simple.
[05:03] <namol> hitmanWilly, i haven't had a problem with one not working yet
[05:03] <hitmanWilly> namol, ? ive had nothing but problems getting stuff to work...
[05:03] <namol> what games?
[05:04] <FroggyTheGreat> Any thoughts on how to get a USB scanner/printer to be recognized by pipslite-install?
[05:04] <hitmanWilly> namol, well, guild wars for one...and copying over dlls is not an option for me :)
[05:04] <namol> FroggyTheGreat, nope sorry, i would suggest checking to see if the device can be seen on the usb port
[05:04] <mattsqz> hey..wine works that well nowadays?
[05:04] <namol> yea, the new wine does
[05:04] <mattsqz> i havent touched it since...1999
[05:04] <namol> i just installed the WoW cds
[05:05] <FroggyTheGreat> It can, and I can stick a CF card in the printer and it shows up on my desktop.
[05:05] <namol> i'm not familiar as to what pipslite does
[05:05] <namol> what dlls are needed by guildwars?
[05:05] <mattsqz> damned lightning
[05:05] <mattsqz> it is threatening me
[05:05] <Minataku> I'm a console gamer
[05:05] <FroggyTheGreat> Pipslite should just create a .ppd file for the printer so I can install it.  Any ideas how to get the printer seen by KDE otherwise?
[05:05] <namol> all cedega does is customize wine basically with newer drivers etc
[05:06] <namol> what's a ppd file lol
[05:06] <TyphoidHippo> I have it installed here, and I remember one time right clicking on a windows exe in nautilus and seeing "open with wine" but it didn't do anything...and I have been using fluxbox and pcmanfm since...a long time now.  I'll check it out again though.
[05:06] <hitmanWilly> namol, not sure, had to use cedega to get it running...wouldn't even start up under wine...even after tweaking around settings for a couple hours :P
[05:06] <namol> i always run wine from the console
[05:06] <TyphoidHippo> yea
[05:06] <hgarcia> has anyone got wow to work via linux?
[05:06] <namol> hitmanWilly, what version of wine?
[05:06] <namol> hgarcia,  i did
[05:07] <hitmanWilly> namol, hold on...
[05:07] <namol> with the latest install of wine
[05:07] <hgarcia> how did you do that?
[05:07] <TyphoidHippo> I'll do that...just saying that was the only time I ever tried it, and it didn't work, so I just took the easy road of saying "Well, this thing sucks, oh well...."
[05:07] <FroggyTheGreat> Anyone else know how to get the KDE print system to see printer drivers that are installed and visible through Gimpprint, but not the KDE system itself?
[05:07] <namol> hgarcia, mount the WoW install discs, type wine /mnt/cdrom/wowinstall.exe
[05:08] <hitmanWilly> namol, 0.9.38...im assuming that's the newest one...
[05:08] <Zeelot3k> hey guys I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, then I closed the window and now it tells me it is locked when I try to run it again, how can I fix this?
[05:08] <Zeelot3k> I accidentally closed it while it was running the setup
[05:09] <namol> locate *.lock
[05:09] <Minataku> !dpkgfix
[05:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dpkgfix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:09] <Minataku> !adeptfix
[05:09] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[05:09] <hitmanWilly> namol, i did build it from the source myself tho :P
[05:09] <Minataku> There
[05:09] <namol> there ya go
[05:09] <Zeelot3k> thanks
[05:09] <Minataku> np
[05:09] <namol> hitmanWilly,  yea, just add this to your sources.list for the latest wine
[05:10] <Zeelot3k> still locked >_<
[05:10] <hitmanWilly> namol, its ok, i already got that one...prefer building anyway...
[05:10] <Minataku> Zeelot3k: LIES
[05:10] <namol> lol
[05:10] <namol> # deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt edgy main
[05:10] <Zeelot3k> no lies!!
[05:11] <namol> # deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt feisty main
[05:11] <hitmanWilly> namol, and besides, it won't work on my gentoo box...:P
[05:11] <namol> sans the #
[05:11] <namol> gentoo yet you're in #kubuntu :P
[05:11] <hitmanWilly> namol, i use both
[05:11] <hitmanWilly> gentoo on the desk and kubuntu on the lappy
[05:12] <Minataku> I use Gentoo as well
[05:12] <Minataku> No *buntu at all, either
[05:12] <Zeelot3k> will it unlock when I reboot atleast? I guess I can wait
[05:12] <namol> Zeelot3k, no, it makes a lock file
[05:13] <Minataku> Zeelot3k: It should have unlocked with that command
[05:13] <Zeelot3k> hmmph wtf
[05:13] <Zeelot3k> it didnt
[05:13] <Minataku> Did you type it wrong?
[05:13] <hgarcia> is that it namol? mount the cd and run the install?
[05:13] <Zeelot3k> copy pasted
[05:13] <namol> hgarcia, yup
[05:13] <hitmanWilly> Zeelot3k, yes, the lockfile is on a tempfs IIRC
[05:13] <TyphoidHippo> namol, I don't use kubuntu, either, but this is the only helpful room I could find
[05:13] <namol> did you put the double >> thing?
[05:13] <Minataku> namol beat me to it
[05:13] <Zeelot3k> debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable
[05:14] <Minataku> Zeelot3k: You have a running instance
[05:14] <hitmanWilly> yeah, var is tempfs, gets purged on reboot
[05:14] <Minataku> Find it and kill it
[05:14] <hgarcia> thanks
[05:14] <FroggyTheGreat> Does anyone know how I can find or create a driver file for an Epson RX580?
[05:14] <louis_> namol, how much longer are you going to be on IRC?
[05:14] <Zeelot3k> is there a gui thingy like in windows? =P
[05:14] <Minataku> FroggyTheGreat: Find?   But the  layout  is such  that my PS needs a longer cable or 2 for some conectors.
[05:19] <hitmanWilly> yeah, apt -s a root proc...needs sudo
[05:19] <TyphoidHippo> I remember the scripts for AOl back in like...I don't know, 1800 something that did ascii porn all over the screen
[05:19] <Minataku> If SIGTERM doesn't take it down, SIGKILL should. If SIGKILL doesn't, then you're in trouble
[05:19] <Minataku> XD
[05:19] <hitmanWilly> s/-s/is
[05:19] <namol> warning, abort abort abort!
[05:20] <namol> lol
[05:20] <Minataku> Dr_willis: I'm guessing all that shopping left you with no time to do anything else XD
[05:20] <hitmanWilly> but worst comes to worst, a reboot will defiantely clear anything on /var
[05:20] <namol> so, who's going to ohio linuxfest this year?
[05:21] <Zeelot3k> ok I killed the process and tried unlocking it again and still no go
[05:21] <namol> what's it say now?
[05:21] <Zeelot3k> same error
[05:21] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  i dident even have time to take a showqer this morning.
[05:21] <Dr_willis> I did pick up some packing material at the stores.
[05:21] <hitmanWilly> Zeelot3k, try sudo dpkg --configure -a
[05:21] <Dr_willis> her and her *$*&@ lets go look at cars...
[05:22] <Dr_willis> Shes going to the Hospital tomorrow for tests. Full Anastesia.. so she will be tired for the next 4 days i bet.
[05:22] <hitmanWilly> Zeelot3k, make sure any processes using the apt database are closed ie adept or synaptic
[05:22] <Zeelot3k> aha got it thanks
[05:22] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Bad and good all in one
[05:22] <Zeelot3k> found it heh
[05:23] <Minataku> I can imagine how annoying that can be, though XD
[05:23] <Minataku> At least you can supposedly relax now :D
[05:25] <TyphoidHippo> namol, what cosole editor do you use?  I can get vi to work....sometimes.....but it seems to just hate me and do whatever it wants all the time.
[05:25] <TyphoidHippo> *console editor*
[05:25] <namol> i like vim
[05:25] <namol> which is vi improved!
[05:26] <sfire> nano rocks
[05:26] <namol> eh
[05:26] <Minataku> nano
[05:26] <Minataku> FTW
[05:26] <TyphoidHippo> vi improved would be great
[05:26] <Minataku> Because it actually edits
[05:26] <hitmanWilly> TyphoidHippo, im losing geek points as i say this, but nano works for me
[05:26] <TyphoidHippo> I am gonna check out this nano
[05:26] <sfire> nano is super easy
[05:26] <namol> nano or pico
[05:26] <sfire> vi and vim are almost impossible
[05:26] <namol> how are they impossible
[05:26] <TyphoidHippo> I always find myself pressing insert over and over again
[05:26] <hitmanWilly> not impossible, just different
[05:26] <namol> emacs are freaking impossible
[05:27] <namol> yea, i is insert
[05:27] <TyphoidHippo> and never getting it to just let me type what I want
[05:27] <Minataku> emacs requires 10 fingers... on each hand.
[05:27] <namol> i use vim because it's on all my systems
[05:27] <namol> unix and linux
[05:27] <namol> nano isn't :P
[05:27] <namol> and neither is pico
[05:27] <namol> i used to use pico on rh 6
[05:28] <Minataku> vi pisses me off
[05:28] <namol> but then i learned
[05:28] <TyphoidHippo> sfire, your endorsement of nano has convinced me....
[05:28] <Minataku> I can sorta use it
[05:28] <namol> vi is great for stuff
[05:28] <namol> especially writing code
[05:28] <Minataku> But I don't care to memorize exactly how to use it
[05:28] <namol> like perl/bash scripts
[05:28] <louis_> namol, 30 seconds to go! what's the next step?  atp-get lynx?
[05:28] <Minataku> vi is terrible for everything
[05:28] <Minataku> IMO, anyway
[05:28] <TyphoidHippo> "nano is super easy"  "vi is nearly impossible" Thats all I need to hear. lol
[05:28] <Minataku> And I use Gentoo and I still say nano is best
[05:28] <namol> louis_, i thought you were already getting that
[05:28] <namol> gentoo is easy
[05:29] <Minataku> I know what I'm doing in Linux/Unix, and I still prefer nano over *
[05:29] <louis_> haha no no. apt-get update right now
[05:29] <namol> you want hard use slackware, there's no easy way to install stuff :P
[05:29] <namol> or upgrade
[05:29] <TyphoidHippo> Yes
[05:29] <TyphoidHippo> I want hard!
[05:29] <louis_> slooooow =(
[05:29] <TyphoidHippo> Give me the most obscure, hardest to figure out OS in the world, baby!
[05:29] <hitmanWilly> namol, used slack for quite a few years
[05:29] <Minataku> TyphoidHippo: OpenVMS
[05:29] <namol> hitmanWilly, i love slack
[05:29] <louis_> oh wait... sike... it's still updating... there's a hell of a lot of packages to get here...
[05:29] <louis_> what will i be doing with lynx once i get it?
[05:29] <TyphoidHippo> And make the documentation in Russian
[05:30] <namol> it taught me many things about linux
[05:30] <TyphoidHippo> I have used openvms
[05:30] <FroggyTheGreat> ok. does anyone have an eksprx580.ppd  file they can e-mail me?  This is just stymying me left and right here.
[05:30] <hitmanWilly> namol, ditto
[05:30] <Minataku> namol: And BDSM, no doubt
[05:30] <namol> louis_, try to open a webpage lol
[05:30] <TyphoidHippo> it's on the server at school
[05:30] <Minataku> TyphoidHippo: Bullsh?t
[05:30] <Minataku> :o
[05:30] <TyphoidHippo> the mail server
[05:30] <Minataku> Woah
[05:30] <Minataku> Heh
[05:30] <hitmanWilly> namol, it just got a little too dated for my taste...
[05:30] <louis_> okay. i'll hit you up when all this downloading is done
[05:30] <Minataku> Now if OpenVMS isn't a crazy bitch, nothing is
[05:30] <TyphoidHippo> I haven't installed it or anything....but I have had to use it
[05:31] <TyphoidHippo> I had a big pink book to help me
[05:31] <namol> hitmanWilly, i use it for when i need a newer kernel that supports old/obscure hardware
[05:31] <TyphoidHippo> and that was it
[05:31] <hitmanWilly> namol, :)
[05:31] <Minataku> Heehee
[05:31] <namol> i'd like you to use sco TyphoidHippo
[05:31] <james_> heya
[05:31] <Minataku> TyphoidHippo: Yeah, I'm an OS collector
[05:31] <louis_> i feel like a turtle...
[05:31] <james_> need a lil help here, nvidia go-7800 and Kubuntu
[05:31] <Minataku> And all those DEC OSes completely escape me
[05:31] <james_> which module should i be using? nvidia-glx ?
[05:32] <louis_> namol, how did you get so good with linux?
[05:32] <namol> james_, sure that sounds good
[05:32] <namol> louis_, it's my job lol
[05:32] <namol> network/sysadmin
[05:32] <namol> i also have to use windows too :\
[05:32] <TyphoidHippo> IS OpenVMS not used much anymore?  It wasn't that hard to use it, from what I remember...  Of course, I didn't have to much beyond setting up new email accounts.
[05:33] <TyphoidHippo> to do much
[05:33] <hitmanWilly> james_, actually, that one can use nvidia-glx-new
[05:33] <sfire> OpenVMS runs the stock exchanges I do believe
[05:33] <louis_> haha that would do it
[05:33] <hitmanWilly> james_, or nvidia-glx, both work well
[05:33] <james_> isnt the 'new' for legacy cards?
[05:33] <louis_> i had no idea there was this kind of support on IRC... here i've been looking for kubuntu forums...
[05:34] <hitmanWilly> james_, no, the -legacy is for legacy cards
[05:34] <hitmanWilly> james_, there's three seperate nvidia modules in the repos right now
[05:34] <TyphoidHippo> The tech department at the school I was working at doesn't have a clue how their mail server works (the OpenVMS one).  That was kinda funny to me.  They use Windows servers for almost everything but mail.
[05:34] <hitmanWilly> james_, the 8000 series need the -new ones
[05:35] <Minataku> TyphoidHippo: Oi
[05:35] <louis_> So random question, is it a bad idea to get automatix?
[05:35] <Minataku> louis_: YES
[05:35] <namol> TyphoidHippo, that's because exchange gets expensive
[05:35] <crdlb> louis_, no
[05:35] <hitmanWilly> james_, anything older than 6000 needs the legacy IIRC,
[05:35] <Minataku> !automatix
[05:35] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu.   Which I'm sure it doesn't.
[05:37] <Minataku> Tm_T: That's the best way to put it
[05:37] <Minataku> lol
[05:37] <louis_> let me get this straight though
[05:37] <Tm_T> Minataku: sure it is
[05:37] <namol> cavs are coming back!
[05:37] <louis_> i can pretty much apt-get anything, but how do i point it to the right repository?
[05:37] <hitmanWilly> louis_, add them to sources.list
[05:37] <namol> louis_, with your sources.list
[05:37] <Tm_T> sources.list contains list of sources
[05:37] <Minataku> Besides, we can all agree that ABC primetime is family friendly, and I was hearing those two words there since at least 2000
[05:38] <TyphoidHippo> cavs are gonna lose!  (I don't really know anything about football these days...just want to add an opposing voice here).
[05:38] <namol> which is by default in the /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:38] <louis_> yeah cavs!
[05:38] <Tm_T> Minataku: I was saying you're my bitch
[05:38] <louis_> sudo kate sources.list?
[05:38] <Minataku> Tm_T: I'm nobody's bitch... yet
[05:38] <Tm_T> louis_: kdesu for GUI
[05:38] <namol> what's kate? lol
[05:38] <Minataku> You gotta get to know me first
[05:38] <Minataku> XD
[05:38] <Tm_T> Minataku: so you think
[05:38] <TyphoidHippo> I'm BIND's bitch.
[05:39] <Minataku> Tm_T: Is that some kind of threat?
[05:39] <hitmanWilly> Tm_T, at least buy him dinner or something :P
[05:39] <Tm_T> anyway, that's offtopic
[05:39] <louis_> okay so sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list?
[05:39] <Tm_T> Minataku: no, silly joke
[05:39] <Minataku> Tm_T: Okay
[05:39] <Tm_T> louis_: kdesu
[05:39] <Minataku> Sorry, I have paranoia issues
[05:39] <Minataku> XD
[05:39] <james_> still stuck at 640x480 on a 1440x900 display
[05:39] <Tm_T> louis_: kdesu instead of sudo when ticling GUI apps
[05:39] <louis_> isn't that the text editor?
[05:39] <louis_> or have i been making that up?
[05:39] <sfire> james_: I can help
[05:39] <Minataku> james_: Mailboxed LCD, I bet, too
[05:40] <sfire> 1 sec
[05:40] <Minataku> !resolution
[05:40] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:40] <Tm_T> louis_: Kate is graphical text editor
[05:40] <louis_> kdesu is a text editor?
[05:40] <louis_> oooooooh okay
[05:40] <louis_> kde super user! i get it!
[05:40] <Tm_T> louis_: nano is text mode text editor
[05:40] <louis_> okay. so i can work with .config files using kate right?
[05:40] <Tm_T> sure
[05:40] <Dr_willis>  text mode text editor ......... hmm..
[05:41] <TyphoidHippo> And nano is super easy!  (or so I'm told)
[05:41] <louis_> or i can use nano?
[05:41] <Tm_T> sure
[05:41] <james_> well i have 2 choices , NV or Nvidia
[05:41] <Tm_T> you can use any text editor you like
[05:41] <namol> freaking cavs
[05:41] <Dr_willis> nvidia = the actual drivers from nvidia, nv = the opensourced drivers.
[05:41] <crdlb> (except notepad in wine)
[05:41] <Dr_willis> notepad in wine is bad...
[05:41] <Dr_willis> ;0
[05:41] <Tm_T> crdlb: that too
[05:41] <TyphoidHippo> yea, they're going down, namol.  No hope for them.
[05:41] <Minataku> TyphoidHippo: Try it out, it is easy
[05:41] <louis_> okay. sorry, it has got to be frustrating explaining this stuff to me
[05:42] <crdlb> Tm_T, it'll screw up the linebreaks :)
[05:42] <Minataku> You open a file for editing and actually are able to immediately edit it
[05:42] <TyphoidHippo> notepad in wine? lol, are you serious?  Who does that?
[05:42] <Tm_T> louis_: nah
[05:42] <namol> TyphoidHippo, i hope your dynmasq breaks
[05:42] <Tm_T> crdlb: so?
[05:42] <TyphoidHippo> lol!!
[05:42] <Minataku> Launch nano with -w if it has long lines
[05:42] <crdlb> apt will complain
[05:42] <Tm_T> crdlb: you can still use it, though it breaks it
[05:42] <Minataku> In fact, if you're editing config files with nano, it's best to launch with -w
[05:42] <TyphoidHippo> I hope your "improved" vi editor gets a virus.
[05:43] <sfire> ^^ very true
[05:43] <louis_> -w to launch. got it
[05:43] <TyphoidHippo> That makes it as hard for you as it is for the rest of us.
[05:43] <namol> TyphoidHippo, i can use any editor :P:
[05:43] <Dr_willis> i like 'fte' for an editor
[05:43] <Dr_willis> !info fte
[05:44] <TyphoidHippo> Well, then I hope you get a virus
[05:44] <ubotu> fte: Text editor for programmers - base package. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.50.0-1.4 (feisty), package size 87 kB, installed size 332 kB
[05:44] <TyphoidHippo> so there!
[05:44] <louis_> namol, when I apt-get lynx it says E: Invalid operation lynx
[05:44] <james_> ok here we go another re-start
[05:44] <namol> apt-get install lynx
[05:44] <james_> brb
[05:44] <FroggyTheGreat> I'm at my wits' end here.  I downloaded the software from Epson, made it, installed it, and it'll make a driver file for my printer...if it would work.
[05:44] <namol> or if you installed it
[05:44] <louis_> oh. duh
[05:44] <namol> type lynx google.com
[05:45] <louis_> okay it's installing lynx now
[05:45] <FroggyTheGreat> ./pipslite-install should detect the printer and make the driver.  It can't detect the printer on the USB port, even though the rest of the KDE system can.
[05:45] <TyphoidHippo> froggy, I have an epson printer, and I just used CUPS to get it to work.  I'm sure that is totally useless information for you, but maybe not.
[05:45] <louis_> ugh... 44 minutes to go
[05:45] <louis_> oh. make it 10
[05:45] <FroggyTheGreat> Anyone have any ideas?  I've pretty much tapped out Google here.
[05:45] <namol> what type of printer is it?
[05:45] <james_> yaaa!!!! Thanks guys!
[05:45] <TyphoidHippo> photo R340
[05:45] <FroggyTheGreat> Epson Stylus Photo RX580.
[05:46] <TyphoidHippo> with the disk printing thing in it
[05:46] <FroggyTheGreat> If I could just get the driver listed in CUPS, it'd be great.  Gimp can tell what it is, but Cups can't.
[05:46] <hitmanWilly> james_, i tke it its working?
[05:46] <james_> yup yup 1440x900
[05:46] <james_> now to see if the dri and glx are working
[05:47] <hitmanWilly> :)
[05:47] <louis_> namol:  adept seems to be working now.  i have the icon in the systray indicating that i have packages that need updating
[05:47] <TyphoidHippo> I had to jump through a couple of hoops to make it work, hold on, and I'll check out what I had to do for you.
[05:47] <FroggyTheGreat> Epson's software for it is a utility to create the drivers, but the creation utility can't tell the printer is plugged in.
[05:47] <james_> hmm appears not to be
[05:47] <namol> louis_, good, now you'll spend all night performing updates lol
[05:47] <louis_> i'm assuming that means adept is working...
[05:48] <hitmanWilly> james_, glxinfo | grep direct
[05:48] <louis_> haha woohoo!
[05:48] <louis_> i'll try to get my browser working before tackling that crazy ish
[05:48] <hitmanWilly> james_, that'll tell you if you have direct rendering
[05:49] <TyphoidHippo> Froggy, I'm sorry, I lied to you.  My server is ubuntu-server, and it just worked in CUPS on that machine.  I was thinking of another printer system that I had problems with.
[05:49] <FroggyTheGreat> ok
[05:50] <FroggyTheGreat> Any idea how to get the program to recognize the USB connection?
[05:50] <james_> had to sudo nvidia-glx-config enable , glx is working great now
[05:50] <TyphoidHippo> Which program?  Cups?  Through the web interface?  I haven't really been following your problem.
[05:51] <TyphoidHippo> Mine is hooked up through USB, and I seem to vaguely remember having to mess with some permissions to get it to work.
[05:52] <FroggyTheGreat> Cups can't see the driver.  Gimp can.  I don't know why.  The Epson software (pipslite-install) is supposed to detect the printer, create a driver for it, and we go from there.
[05:52] <FroggyTheGreat> pipslite-install can't detect the printer, even though it's on, connected, and the rest of teh system can see it.
[05:53] <namol> FroggyTheGreat, have you tried ndiswrapper? :)
[05:53] <FroggyTheGreat> I haven't.  What is it?
[05:53] <sfire> does ndiswrapper work for printers?
[05:53] <namol> lol i'm just joking
[05:53] <TyphoidHippo> When I installed it, I used the GUI utility for gnome.  I don't know what pipslite is, sorry...
[05:54] <namol> it'd be great if it did
[05:54] <sfire> ahhh... damn you namol :p
[05:54] <sfire> lol.. got all excited for a second
[05:54] <sfire> :p
[05:54] <namol> ndiswrapper is a program for loading windows drivers for wireless cards
[05:54] <FroggyTheGreat> ok
[05:54] <sfire> I've got a dell color laser that I can't get working :(
[05:54] <FroggyTheGreat> Are there any genuflections that generally work for making Linux or Linux programs recognize a device on the USB port?
[05:55] <hitmanWilly> sfire, check out linuxprinting.org and see if there are any known issues with it
[05:56] <louis_> namol, lynx is installed
[05:56] <louis_> how to i go to google? lynx google?
[05:56] <namol> lynx google.com
[05:57] <louis_> accept cookie, i assume
[05:57] <namol> yup
[05:57] <louis_> okay it's on
[05:57] <namol> looks to be your konqueror
[05:57] <namol> i'd use a different gui browser
[05:57] <namol> like firefox
[05:57] <louis_> yeah i'd lvoe to ditch konq
[05:57] <louis_> atp-get install firefox?
[05:57] <namol> apt-get install firefox
[05:57] <louis_> sweet!
[05:58] <louis_> thanks SO MUCH, NAMOL!
[05:58] <namol> louis_, see, you're getting it, soon you'll be using the console for everything!
[05:58] <FroggyTheGreat> Ok, anyone know where Gimp keeps its printer drivers?
[05:59] <louis_> namol, I'd lvoe nothign more than that
[05:59] <hitmanWilly> FroggyTheGreat, uses cups afaik
[05:59] <TyphoidHippo> It's called gnome-cups-manager, the thing that I used, that just magically worked for my USB Epson Stylus Photo printer.  I remember that I plugged that printer into a laptop that was running xubuntu, and the xubuntu printer thing couldn't make it work, so I installed gnome-cups-manager on there, and it somehow made it work, magically.  you can install gnome stuff on your kde system...but you may have to install
[05:59] <hitmanWilly> FroggyTheGreat, however, it does use the gnome printer interface
[06:00] <Minataku> Hooray, louis_ :D
[06:00] <Minataku> :3
[06:00] <namol> woooooo
[06:00] <Minataku> Because I'm too poor for them to be useful
[06:00] <Minataku> ;o;
[06:00] <louis_> O'DOYLE RULES!
[06:01] <Minataku> XD
[06:01] <namol> hah
[06:01] <Minataku> Heehee
[06:01] <Minataku> TyphoidHippo: I was thinking Gears of War for a second
[06:01] <Minataku> XD
[06:01] <TyphoidHippo> hehe
[06:01] <TyphoidHippo> that'd be quite a hug
[06:01] <Minataku> But then I realized that a "gear hug" in that context would probably be very bad X3
[06:01] <louis_> i wish my name was o'doyle
[06:01] <louis_> haha yeah i give o'doyle 1000 useless points and a coupon to have sex with my girlfriend
[06:01] <louis_> she's hot, i promise
[06:01] <louis_> sorry... i give namol the coupon and the points
[06:01] <TyphoidHippo> With a chainsaw and everything
[06:02] <namol> a gear hug, it's like a bear hug but with a lot more grinding
[06:02] <Minataku> Nothing says "I love you" like blood everywhere
[06:02] <Minataku> j/k
[06:02] <louis_> no but this is a perfect example of how i could have saved time/trouble by using a command prompt ... at least now i know the secret of atp-get install
[06:02] <namol> apt
[06:02] <namol> :P
[06:02] <TyphoidHippo> the secret of apt-get install, lol
[06:02] <louis_> seriously, thanks to all of you.  this irc is great
[06:03] <TyphoidHippo> isn't it though?
[06:03] <TyphoidHippo> this is my first time in here
[06:03] <FroggyTheGreat> HAH!
[06:03] <TyphoidHippo> I like these guys
[06:03] <namol> oh just you wait :P
[06:03] <louis_> yeah. apt. lol
[06:03] <louis_> lazy fingers
[06:03] <namol> with the command line you can also hit tab for command completion
[06:03] <namol> it's good to use
[06:03] <louis_> haha the secret which is not secret at all
[06:03] <namol> i use it alot
[06:04] <louis_> wow. i almost feel qualified to help others now...
[06:04] <namol> so you can type ap and it will auto complete up to the nearest match then you can type g and then hit tab again
[06:04] <Minataku> Heh, I compiled something for someone in here today XD
[06:04] <TyphoidHippo> and you can also type /mount, and solve like 4/5 of the problems I had as a windows user when I first came to linux
[06:04] <louis_> oh that's sweet
[06:04] <FroggyTheGreat> DOH!
[06:04] <FroggyTheGreat> When in doubt, try the Gnome utility.
[06:04] <Minataku> Thanks to static compilation techniques
[06:04] <louis_> yeah i can see how that would be a huge timesaver
[06:04] <louis_> where do you live, namol?
[06:05] <TyphoidHippo> Froggy, it worked?
[06:05] <namol> in ohio
[06:05] <namol> in a house
[06:05] <namol> bang head here
[06:05] <FroggyTheGreat> Ok, KDE has the better interface IMNERHO, but dammt, the Gnome utilities WORK.
[06:05] <TyphoidHippo> If so, that's awesome!  I helped!!!!
[06:05] <louis_> typhoidhippo, you can mount from the command line?
[06:05] <TyphoidHippo> I'm gonna tell everybody!
[06:05] <namol> i hate gnome
[06:05] <Minataku> GNOME is horrible
[06:05] <louis_> haha sweet. delaware... in a crappy UDel apt
[06:06] <FroggyTheGreat> Agreed
[06:06] <crimsun> geez, it's not horrible.
[06:06] <namol> i use flux for the awesome backgrounds......
[06:06] <Minataku> And no, GNOME utilities are horrific
[06:06] <FroggyTheGreat> But its cups utility installed my printer.
[06:06] <FroggyTheGreat> What's the gnome smb utility called?
[06:06] <louis_> which in this case is short for apartment
[06:06] <louis_> Froggy, i'd have to agree with that
[06:06] <Minataku> crimsun: Yeah, it is.
[06:06] <crimsun> it's not many people's cup of tea, but it's not awful
[06:06] <TyphoidHippo> That's so cool
[06:06] <TyphoidHippo> umm, let me check
[06:06] <TyphoidHippo> it's pretty good, too
[06:06] <louis_> GNOME is ugly... i know that's a lame reason to use KDE
[06:06] <jarn> FroggyTheGreat: IMNERHO? If that means "In my not even remotely humble opinion", that is the greatest acronym ever.
[06:06] <Tm_T> louis_: appearance is configurable
[06:06] <TyphoidHippo> Gnome with the Kore theme is drop dead sexy
[06:06] <Minataku> It's rather disgusting, what with it's use of GTK, terrible WM and "You're too stupid to see any advanced options" way of thinking
[06:06] <louis_> but GNOME looks like a bag of nuts
[06:06] <namol> i like ftbrg ;)
[06:07] <Daisuke_Ido> kde's disk and filesystem applet has p'd me off for the last time
[06:07] <namol> do you have stairs in your house?
[06:07] <louis_> what's flux?
[06:07] <namol> fluxbox, another windows manger
[06:07] <TyphoidHippo> fluxbox is awesome
[06:07] <namol> window manager, not windows
[06:07] <TyphoidHippo> It's what I use on all my computers
[06:07] <TyphoidHippo> It's soooooo simple
[06:07] <Minataku> I use Fluxbox as well
[06:07] <FroggyTheGreat> When pigs fly and KDE4 is out...
[06:07] <namol> well blackbox is the original so there
[06:07] <Minataku> Though lately it's been pissing me off
[06:07] <TyphoidHippo> and you can configure everything to your heart's content
[06:08] <Daisuke_Ido> i went through a period of wanting to tweak every little setting
[06:08] <louis_> fluxbox is analogous to beryl?
[06:08] <Daisuke_Ido> now i just want things to work
[06:08] <Daisuke_Ido> reliably
[06:08] <Minataku> louis_: No
[06:08] <TyphoidHippo> (And fluxbox looks pretty cool, too)
[06:08] <FroggyTheGreat> Sorry about that.
[06:08] <TyphoidHippo> yea, sorry
[06:08] <namol> no, beryl is for all the flashy stuff
[06:08] <Daisuke_Ido> fluxbox is great, but i spent more time tweaking and less actually doing things
[06:08] <Minataku> "Flux" is also a substance used in soldering to prepare the board surfaces for the application of solder
[06:08] <TyphoidHippo> I'll find the smb tool for you, froggy
[06:08] <Tm_T> !offtopic
[06:08] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[06:08] <Minataku> It stinks like hell when burned and is completely unrelated
[06:08] <Minataku> XD
[06:08] <Tm_T> you really are free to join #kubuntu-offtopic
[06:09] <louis_> minataku, can you explain?  it sounds interesting
[06:09] <Minataku> Nobody's asking for help right now
[06:09] <crimsun> /join #kubuntu-offtopic #:)
[06:09] <Minataku> When people ask, we'll shift back
[06:09] <Tm_T> Minataku: I know
[06:09] <Minataku> We need downtime that doesn't involve being shuttled off to a dead channel where no conversation or topic ever survives
[06:10] <hitmanWilly> lol
[06:10] <Minataku> In fact, it's borderline offensive to tell us to move it, since it never moves, it just dies
[06:10] <louis_> dude it's a quick question ...=)
[06:10] <namol> oh yea,  so back to my original question
[06:10] <crimsun> it's not borderline offensive.  He's an op.
[06:10] <Tm_T> btw anyone have an idea how to get kickoff to follow... bah, forget, need to hack sources
[06:10] <Minataku> If you're gonna tell us to stay on topic, just tell us to shut the hell up instead ;3
[06:11] <louis_> so basically fluxbox configures how you work with your desktop environment?
[06:11] <FroggyTheGreat> Ok, thanks for the tip on the printer.  It works now.
[06:11] <namol> no, fluxbox is like kde
[06:11] <Minataku> louis_: No, fluxbox is a window manager
[06:11] <Minataku> namol: No
[06:11] <Tm_T> Minataku: or just remove you from channel? ;)
[06:11] <Minataku> Fluxbox is like kwin
[06:11] <louis_> stuff like double clicking the title bar, etc...?
[06:11] <namol> i'm not done yet damn it!
[06:11] <Minataku> Tm_T: That would just be rude ;3
[06:11] <TyphoidHippo> froggy, it's called "shares-admin"
[06:11] <Tm_T> Minataku: oh I thought I am
[06:11] <Minataku> You can actually use KDE with Fluxbox
[06:11] <namol> well you can use kde tools with gnome too
[06:11] <Tm_T> Minataku: thanks <3
[06:12] <Minataku> np ^^
[06:12] <louis_> oooooooh okay. so fluxbox is analogous to kde and gnome
[06:12] <crimsun> no, KDE and GNOME are entire environments.
[06:12] <Minataku> It's a little more complicated than that
[06:12] <Minataku> Right
[06:12] <hitmanWilly> i used to run kicker on top of fluxbox
[06:12] <louis_> oh.
[06:12] <louis_> wow. i'll have to check out their site
[06:12] <louis_> i'm sure the screenshots will explain it
[06:12] <louis_> lol this is how i learn...
[06:12] <Minataku> KDE uses kwin as it's default WM
[06:12] <hitmanWilly> worked quite well actually
[06:12] <Minataku> GNOME uses metacity
[06:12] <crimsun> each environment is comprised of specific components, the generics of which can be implemented in various fashions.
[06:13] <louis_> is useless points linux lingo?
[06:13] <TyphoidHippo> hehe, no.  Fluxbox can't do beryl because it is it's own WM, which turns most people off to it.
[06:13] <Minataku> Either can be replaced with the WM of your choice
[06:13] <Minataku> louis_: No, the useless points is just me being silly
[06:13] <FroggyTheGreat> Ok, getting the scanner to work can wait till tomorrow.    If not, then you'll hate it.
[06:15] <mike_> Does anyone in here have any experience with GParted?
[06:15] <louis_> haha yeah! i'm just a linux virgin!
[06:16] <Minataku> louis_: The WM provides titlebars and function buttons
[06:16] <Daisuke_Ido> Minataku: drop to a tty and restart it?
[06:16] <Minataku> Like the X and maximize and such
[06:16] <louis_> well i guess namol sort of popped my cherry
[06:16] <louis_> sigh... you never forget your first time
[06:16] <Minataku> Daisuke_Ido: Doesn't work on systems without VTs
[06:16] <Daisuke_Ido> good point.
[06:16] <namol> lol
[06:16] <TyphoidHippo> lol
[06:16] <louis_> ooh i do!
[06:16] <louis_> (big moment for me)
[06:16] <TyphoidHippo> mike, gparted I'm sure we all have experience with, what's up?
[06:16] <Minataku> Speaking of, who wants to see A/UX? :: http://s95018220.onlinehome.us/random/auximages/ :D
[06:17] <louis_> okay. now i definitely understand
[06:17] <louis_> so now that mike needs help ;-) ...
[06:17] <mike_> TyphoidHippo: It doesn't load. I just get a grub> prompt, no errors. :-\
[06:18] <mike_> TyphoidHippo: I'm pretty sure I got the exact same thing when I tried to run the SuperGRUB live CD as well. Not sure what the problem is with my system and these types of discs, as I ran GParted without issue on another computer.
[06:18] <louis_> oh... not quite in gparted's domain ... my advice is out lol
[06:19] <mike_> Thanks anyway, louis_
[06:19] <hitmanWilly> mike_, ok, do you have the grub prompt up now?
[06:19] <mike_> hitmanWilly: Yeah
[06:19] <louis_> mike, if you absolutely need it, why don't you download Knoppix and use gparted from there?
[06:20] <mike_> louis_: I was wondering if that would work. I'll try that if this doesn't pan out. Thanks for the tip.
[06:20] <hitmanWilly> mike_, ok, try this root (hd
[06:20] <louis_> I feel like it might actually be a better idea since all partitions can be unmounted and there's no read/write operations besides the gparted ones
[06:20] <TyphoidHippo> hmmmm
[06:20] <hitmanWilly> mike_, then hit tab twice to see what comes up
[06:20] <TyphoidHippo> I have a gparted livecd that works great
[06:21] <TyphoidHippo> it isn't superGRUB, I haven't even heard of that
[06:21] <louis_> no problem
[06:22] <TyphoidHippo> Are you just getting your normal grub screen?  As if it isn't even booting from the CD?
[06:22] <namol> is your cd-rom light on? :)
[06:22] <mike_> hitmanWilly: Partition num: 0... and Partition num: 4...
[06:22] <mike_> TyphoidHippo: Nope. I hosed GRUB when trying to repartition :-\
[06:23] <hitmanWilly> mike_, do you know which one your OS is on?
[06:23] <Daisuke_Ido> okay, i think i FINALLY have things working the way i want them to
[06:23] <TyphoidHippo> I think hitmanwilly will be leading you down a good path here, so I'm gonna go fight with vi, root for the cavs to lose, and see if Wine actually works as well as namol says it does.
[06:24] <mike_> Well, I've cleared everything off the disk except for the stuff I'm trying to rescue - I was going to try and repartition using QtParted from the Kubuntu live CD, put all the goods on a secondary partition and install the system to the primary, but that wasn't working
[06:24] <namol> i would have just dd it
[06:25] <mike_> TyphoidHippo: Thanks anyway. Happy fighting
[06:25] <mike_> namol: Was that to me?
[06:25] <TyphoidHippo> lol
[06:25] <namol> yup
[06:25] <hitmanWilly> mike_, so the cd isn't even booting then...is it set up for boot first in bios?
[06:25] <mike_> hitmanWilly: I'm pretty sure the stuff I'm trying to save is oh partition 0
[06:25] <namol> yes, Tm_T thank you! conky is what i wanted
[06:25] <mike_> No, the CD IS booting. It's just not booting properly
[06:26] <mike_> GRUB isn't installed on my system at all at this point
[06:26] <TyphoidHippo> What are the options in the bootloader?    I made a big one earlier, myself.