[03:35] <mfisch> I'd like to mark https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/imsniff/+bug/607649  as "Won't Fix".  It is a lucid bug that was fixed in maverick.  The bug itself is a manpage typo, too low severity to ever fix in lucid.  Thoughts?
[03:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 607649 in imsniff (Ubuntu) "typo in imsniff's manpage (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[03:36] <mfisch> Also the severity should be Low or Wishlist, but if it's marked as Wont Fix, perhaps that does not matter
[04:55] <mfisch> I'd like to mark https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-nettool/+bug/856387 as a High severity.  nettools functionality is severely impacted by this bug and there are numerous dupes.
[04:55] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 856387 in gnome-nettool (Ubuntu) "Network tools IP information list is too small to see data (affects: 17) (dups: 4) (heat: 76)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[12:51] <seb128> om26er, hi
[12:52] <om26er> seb128, hey
[12:52] <om26er> seb128, how are you today ?
[12:53] <seb128> om26er, good thanks, how are you?
[12:54] <om26er> seb128, i am totally fine
[12:56] <seb128> om26er, this libroffice bug, those users add the infos about the version etc because that's what the bug filing page recommends
[12:56] <seb128> om26er, like use https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+filebug, click on "next"
[12:56] <seb128> "We also need:
[12:56] <seb128> 1) The release of Ubuntu you are using, via 'lsb_release -rd' or System -> About Ubuntu
[12:56] <seb128> 2) The version of the package you are using, via 'apt-cache policy pkgname' or by checking in Software Center"
[12:57] <seb128> 3) What you expected to happen
[12:57] <seb128> 4) What happened instead
[12:57] <seb128> "
[12:57] <seb128> is the guideline
[12:57] <seb128> om26er, so rather than complaining to users if you don't like the format you should try to get launchpad fixed ;-)
[12:59] <om26er> seb128, I made the description simpler since the issue is so simple to reproduce, you just have to start the application and click on the bottom right corner of the app, all those text were actually getting in the way of understanding the bug
[13:01] <om26er> currently its like 60lines bug report it could be made 20 words only and I attempted at that :-D
[13:03] <seb128> om26er, well you pointed to a wiki and wrote "reports stresses first on the steps to reproduce the problem:"
[13:04] <seb128> om26er, which is fair, I'm just pointing that's not what the launchpad bug filing page ask for though
[13:04] <seb128> so you might want to talk to the launchpad guys about getting the guideline tweaked to put the description first and versions next
[13:05] <om26er> i will file a bug report for that definitely, that could definitely be improved
[13:05] <seb128> well I'm just pointing why people file bugs this way, that's what launchpad tell them to do, if that's not useful from your side you should aim at getting launchpad instructions sorted
[13:05] <seb128> great
[15:25] <Ursinha> bdmurray: hey... launchpad is reporting that lots of bugs are being tagged iso-testing by ubuntuqa bot
[15:25] <Ursinha> do you know what's going on?
[15:25] <Ursinha> bug 35 is one of them
[15:26] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 35 in launchpad "Rosetta erroneously shows that pot file has 0 strings (heat: 10)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/35
[15:26] <Ursinha> doesn't make any sense to me
[16:38] <ashams> cdbs, ping
[17:41] <ashams> cdbs, I can't understand what the last line of 100paper cuts mean? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+spec/other-design-p-papercuts-future
[17:41] <ashams> e.g. "[YokoZar] Talk to MPT about a separate database with alternate SC app descriptions: TODO"
[17:52] <ikt> mpt is mathew paul thomas
[17:52] <ikt> sc I assume is kde sc
[17:52] <ikt> wops
[17:52] <ikt> probably helps if I read the blueprint
[17:55] <ikt> if sc = software centre, I have no idea what it has to do with reviving the papercuts project
[17:57] <ashams> ikt, me neither :D
[17:58] <timonia> hello ubuntu community. Can anyone help me find and fix my first bug :). I don't have any prior experience and lot of theoretical knowledge :( . By fixing bugs I wish to learn the practical aspects of programming :)
[18:00] <ashams> timonia, we're just triagers :) ppl at #ubuntu-motu are your target(I believe:D) best wishes :)
[18:01] <timonia> ashams, triagers mean that you people work on a bug together to reproduce it but not fix it?
[18:02] <ashams> timonia, Exactly, we try to reproduce and document it so developers can work on it
[18:02] <timonia> ashams, ok :)
[21:01] <cdbs> ashams, ikt: Its about creating a web database that contains package descriptions
[21:02] <cdbs> ashams, ikt: MPT was actually considering making a database so that software center could query package descriptions
[21:02] <cdbs> ashams, ikt: because right now many application descriptions in software center are geeky
[21:02] <cdbs> and the only way to fix that is to edit the package itself, not very convenient for contributors, and even Debian doesn't like us modifying control files in Ubuntu just because of this
[21:03] <cdbs> its a tough problem to explain
[21:08] <ashams> cdbs, but how this iis related to 100pcuts ?
[21:09] <cdbs> ashams: Well
[21:09] <cdbs> ashams: we have had a "fix Software center package descriptions" milestone since Maverick
[21:09] <cdbs> in the papercuts project I mean
[21:09] <cdbs> so
[21:10] <cdbs> this way seems to be a more efficient method to fix things rather than edit files by hand and add to the ubuntu-debian delta difference
[21:10] <ashams> ah, I got it
[21:13] <ashams> cdbs, can this: http://appnr.com be useful in this?
[21:14] <cdbs> ashams: well
[21:14] <cdbs> ashams: we don't have control over that service
[21:14] <cdbs> and the maintainer of that site can do anything they wish
[21:14] <cdbs> so no, it will either be a home-grown service
[21:14] <cdbs> or nothing
[21:15]  * ashams nods
[23:35]  * penguin42 is a bit confused by this dynamic bugs thing


[04:46] <rawfodog> Ok, so I got my programs iconed on the task bar. I was wondering how I can group the icons with the launch buttons like in *barf* windows7?
[06:50] <micahg> pangolin: when you get subscribed to a bug, you should see who subscribed you and through what entity you were subscribed
[10:51] <DenkBrettl> hi
[10:51] <KM0201> hi DenkBrettl
[10:51] <DenkBrettl> I have a Xubuntu oneiric installation. I'd like to upgrade it to Precise and "convert" it to Lubuntu without reinstalling. Do you think this is possible smoothly?
[10:52] <DenkBrettl> (I know that Precise is beta)
[10:52] <KM0201> it's possible i guess, but Precise is beta (as you know).. it's running fine for me, but... YMMV
[10:52] <DenkBrettl> yep
[10:52] <DenkBrettl> but is there a "meta-package" that I just install and then everything is there?
[10:52] <KM0201> DenkBrettl: the easiest path, would be to upgrade xubuntu, once it;s fully upgraded, install lubuntu-desktop and uninstall xubuntu-desktop (or whatever the package names are)
[10:52] <DenkBrettl> ok...
[10:53] <DenkBrettl> and would that also change the bootup screen (I always have problems remembering the package name that drives this these days)
[10:53] <DenkBrettl> plymouth
[10:53] <KM0201> now that i don't know
[10:54] <KM0201> frankly, i doubt it
[10:54] <DenkBrettl> *nod*
[10:54] <KM0201> just clean install lubuntu 12.04...
[10:54] <DenkBrettl> yeah, well... thinking about that
[10:55] <DenkBrettl> otoh I could first try it and if it f'cks up I can still reinstall :-)
[10:55] <KM0201> it's been stable for me, a few bugs here and there
[10:55] <KM0201> but overall ok
[10:55] <DenkBrettl> ok, cool
[10:55] <DenkBrettl> will Ozone3 be installed by default?
[10:55] <KM0201> i have no idea what ozone3 is, so i don't think so.
[10:56] <DenkBrettl> http://lubuntu.net/blog/new-artwork-1204
[10:56] <KM0201> looks the same as always to me
[10:57] <DenkBrettl> ok :)
[10:57] <DenkBrettl> thanks :)
[10:57] <DenkBrettl> I'll try my luck over the weekend then ;-)
[11:01] <NQTropic> arrrr back to lubuntu
[11:01] <NQTropic> feels like I've come back home
[11:01] <KM0201> why "arrrr"?
[11:01] <KM0201> lubuntu is awesome
[11:02] <NQTropic> arrrr as in relax........ went on a kubuntu xubuntu binge...... then saw the light again
[11:03] <DenkBrettl> :-)
[11:04] <KM0201> Kubuntu 12.04, i actually tried not to long ago (and i have hated KDE FOREVER), and it wasn't "to bad".. the latest xfce(i think it's 4 now) is extremely disappointing
[11:05] <NQTropic> i think kubuntu is worse than xubuntu
[11:10] <DenkBrettl> I have a ThinkPad R50p with a 1.7GHz Pentium M
[11:10] <DenkBrettl> so it's not the fastest in the world, but also not old enough to bin it
[11:11] <DenkBrettl> Xubuntu seems slow to me on it honestly speaking
[11:11] <DenkBrettl> so I figured I'd try lubuntu (which I have at work in a VMware already and it meets my needs)
[11:11] <DenkBrettl> (I'm actually using it in this minute to write all of this ;) )
[11:12] <NQTropic> e7200 CPU here, 2Gb ram, 500Gb hard drive
[11:12] <DenkBrettl> also I guess I did a mistake when I chose btrfs for it when I installed oneiric xubuntu
[11:13] <KM0201> is btrfs fully supported yet?
[11:13] <DenkBrettl> it was available as an option when installing
[11:13] <DenkBrettl> (/boot is on ext4 tho)
[11:13] <DenkBrettl> not sure how "officially" it's supported tho
[11:14] <DenkBrettl> I had to disable the fsck, because it ran with every bootup
[11:14] <DenkBrettl> which seemed overdone in my eyes
[18:18] <thor_> LSC bug: can't install libreoffice with lsc. made a image of it. http://imagebin.org/202641
[18:20] <thor_> Itś a daily-live iso 64bit of today
[18:32] <szczur> phillw, can i PM you?
[18:38] <phillw> szczur: don't ask.... do :D
[18:38] <thor_> phillw LSC bug: can't install libreoffice with lsc. made a image of it. http://imagebin.org/202641
[18:39] <phillw> thor_: raise a bug, please, Reporting on email lists, IRC and forums does not get bugs fixed :)
[18:39] <thor_> phillw arrg itś a pain
[18:40] <subman> I'm running Lubuntu 11.04 under VirtualBox and when I try to upgrade I get the following error:  'package unity-asset-pool' is marked for removal but it is in the removal blacklist.  Any solution to this?
[18:41] <phillw> thor_: it will not fixed if there is no bug report. Sorry, but that's how it is. The devs cannot be expected to trawl through all the IRC channels, forums and emails. Were they to do so - they'd have no time to actually fix things.
[18:54] <subman> Sorry, my version is 12.04
[18:58] <DerPate_> subman, maybe something isn't allright in the beta version you could look up the knoown bug list
[19:05] <Unit193> Look up in the bug list, try to remove it yourself, and ask in #ubuntu+1 as that's the beta support channel.  (sudo apt-get remove unity-asset-pool  for removing)
[19:51] <subman_> Updating/upgrading via command line seems to have solved the issue.
[19:53] <DerPate> subman_, thats cool :)
[19:53] <subman_> DerPate, sure is!  Back in business.
[21:34] <filo1234> hi
[21:51] <User12> How do I install the pretty pretty theme that lubuntu has in an LXDE install on Ubuntu?
[21:51] <Unit193> lubuntu-artwork
[21:53] <User12> Unit193, thank you. I am hunting around for that package but if you happen to already know where I can grab it I'd appreciate it
[21:54] <Unit193> Synaptic or `sudo apt-get install lubuntu-artwork`
[21:55] <User12> i feel foolish. I was using the ubuntu software gui and it didn't pop up. should have used aptcache search
[21:55] <User12> thank you so much
[21:55] <Unit193> Sure.
[21:56] <Unit193> I personally would say to dump USC, but that's your option. ;)
[21:56] <Unit193> Use what works best for you.
[21:57] <User12> dump usc?
[21:59] <User12> oh, dump the gui
[21:59] <User12> yah, im always trying to learn the simple way so I can sell it to friends and family
[21:59] <User12> i had thought the usc gui would at least have a decent search function
[22:00] <Unit193> There is going to be a "LSC" in Pangolin, but not sure if that's any better.
[22:14] <AngelForget> good evening to all
[22:18] <AngelForget> sorry I would ask if you can install ubuntu tweak on Lubuntu 11.10?
[22:18] <Unit193> !ubuntutweak
[22:18] <Unit193> s/#ubuntu/#lubuntu-
[22:20] <AngelForget> sorry
[22:21] <phillw> AngelForget: for lubuntu, I'd really caution against it.
[22:21] <Unit193> It's not that great a program, and made for gnome/Unity
[22:21] <Unit193> phillw: Only for Lubuntu?
[22:22] <phillw> Unit193: I have no authority to speak for the other members of the family.
[22:24] <AngelForget> well then there is a good program that I recommended for the cleaning of my Lubuntu
[22:24] <AngelForget> ?
[22:25] <Myrtti> what do you mean by that?
[22:25] <Unit193> Can you define cleaning? sudo apt'get autoremove or autoclean for something.
[22:26] <AngelForget> thanks  Unit193
[22:27] <Unit193> apt dash get without spaces, my keyboard isn{t really working well.
[22:32] <AngelForget> excuse me if I still ask myself many questions, but have recently switched to Linux Lubuntu. But many of my friends say that lxde mint 12 is best. And since I'm new, I would ask you who you are + experts what they thought?


[15:00]  * slangasek waves
[15:00] <jodh> o/
[15:00]  * stgraber waves
[15:01] <cjwatson> hi
[15:02] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[15:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed May 22 15:02:10 2013 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:02] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[15:02] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek cjwatson xnox stokachu)
[15:03] <slangasek> stgraber ev xnox jodh cjwatson doko slangasek barry bdmurray stokachu
[15:03] <slangasek> NB: ev is off today, so being third doesn't actually give you much breathing room ;)
[15:03] <stgraber> Monday was a public holiday.
[15:03] <stgraber> Blueprint-related work:
[15:03] <stgraber>  - Image based updates (BLUEPRINT: foundations-1305-image-based-updates)
[15:03] <stgraber>   - Waiting on review of the GPG implementation plan, need to get the keys generated and signed after that.
[15:03] <stgraber>   - Waiting for IS to setup the image based update server.
[15:03] <stgraber>   - Followed up with Ondrej, making some progress getting tar working in recovery.
[15:03] <stgraber>   - Ported the tarball diffing tool to using python3-tarfile.
[15:03] <stgraber> Other work:
[15:03] <stgraber>  - vUDS Tuesday to Thursday
[15:03] <stgraber>  - release/cdimage
[15:03] <stgraber>    - Rolled out self-respin feature to the ISO tracker
[15:03] <stgraber>    - Rewrote the qa-product handling of cdimage to use a list of all products and allow reverse lookups
[15:03] <stgraber>    - Started working on integrating the last bits with nusakan (cron to query the list of pending rebuilds, start them and update the status)
[15:03] <stgraber>  - Ubuntu Touch container flip
[15:03] <stgraber>   - Got some help from ogra to get my Nexus 4 to boot straight into Ubuntu (no more Android)
[15:04] <stgraber>   - Wrote some scripts and LXC configuration to start Android in LXC
[15:04] <stgraber>   - Wrote some more integration code to make Ubuntu happy with that and get the shell running.
[15:04] <stgraber>   - Result => I have a nexus4 with the phone shell running directly on Ubuntu with SurfaceFlinger running in an LXC container
[15:04] <stgraber>  - LXC
[15:04] <stgraber>   - Pushed C implementation of get_ips in LXC API, dropped the python implementation and update the bindings
[15:04] <stgraber>  - Conferences
[15:04] <stgraber>   - Booked travel for Debconf2013
[15:04] <stgraber>   - Booked travel for Linux Plumbers 2013 and did some follow-up for the micro-conference we're organizing there (containers)
[15:04] <stgraber>  - Patch pilot on Monday
[15:04] <stgraber> TODO:
[15:04] <stgraber>  - Finish self-rebuilds feature implementation on nusakan
[15:04] <stgraber>  - Implement some of the remaining bits for the image based update server tools
[15:04] <stgraber>  - Continue helping people with the container flip whenever they're stuck on LXC-related bits
[15:04] <stgraber>  - Process some pending merges
[15:04] <stgraber> (DONE)
[15:04]  * ogra_ had some help from stgraber to get lxc running on top of a pure booted ubuntu :)
[15:04] <ogra_> stgraber rocks !
[15:04] <xnox> * Second day back from holliday.
[15:04] <xnox> * Catch up on mail/pings/merges/boost1.53/debian
[15:04] <xnox> * Also overdue patch-piloting for a little yesterday
[15:05] <xnox> TODO:
[15:05] <xnox> syncs, merges & outstanding ubiquity overflow from last cycle.
[15:05] <xnox> .done.
[15:05] <slangasek> stgraber, ogra_: great work!  When will the container flip reach the daily images?
[15:05] <jodh> * foundations-1305-upstart-app-launching
[15:05] <jodh>   - libupstart:
[15:05] <jodh>     - Library and abi-compliance-checker integration: DONE
[15:05] <jodh>     - Test: INPROGRESS
[15:05] <jodh>     - Code: lp:~jamesodhunt/upstart/libupstart
[15:05] <jodh>   - bug 1159895: Started work.
[15:05] <jodh> * misc:
[15:06] <jodh>   - Got a fix for the upstart logger bug stgraber reported. Currently
[15:06] <jodh>     working on a new test for it.
[15:06] <jodh> * TODO:
[15:06] <jodh>   - Register for DebConf13.
[15:06] <ogra_> slangasek, once it actually works :P
[15:06] <jodh> ⳧
[15:06] <cjwatson> foundations-1305-click-package: Working on a simple hooks implementation.
[15:06] <cjwatson> Lots of merges, syncs, and generally trying to keep up with Debian.
[15:06] <cjwatson>  - Fixed new scribus build failure on ARM.
[15:06] <cjwatson>  - Fixed git-annex versioning chaos.
[15:06] <slangasek> ogra_: I thought surfaceflinger is running, sounds like it's working to me :)
[15:06] <cjwatson>  - Pushed Ubuntu changes to mklibs, rootskel (in part), debootstrap, rescue, sweep, and texi2html to Debian.
[15:06] <cjwatson>  - Worked on transitions for libgd3, libsnmp30, vdr-abi-2.0.0-debian, and R 3.0.0.  Several resulting build failures which I've been pushing to Debian as I go.
[15:06] <ogra_> slangasek, all i manage atm is to get the gui up manually
[15:06] <cjwatson> Fixed bug 1180880, which broke oem-config's debconf frontend on non-i386.
[15:06] <cjwatson> Heavily revised openssh's packaging, partly to take account of Steve's recent ubuntu-devel posting on Upstart job handling, and partly to dispose of ~8500 lines relating to very old upgrade handling.
[15:06] <cjwatson> Adjusted binfmt-support in light of new Upstart job handling policy.
[15:06] <cjwatson> Currently trying to figure out why all our livefs builds have stalled.  Looks like a udev (i.e. now systemd) regression.
[15:06] <cjwatson> .
[15:07] <slangasek> ogra_: ah, alright
[15:08] <doko> - investigated and fixed gcj builds and gcj build faiures on multiarch systems w
[15:08] <doko> ith glibc-2.17
[15:08] <doko> - made libstdc++-4.8-dev m-a same again
[15:08] <doko> - gcc snapshot builds
[15:08] <doko> - python multiarch fixes
[15:08] <doko> - proposed java7 for debian
[15:08] <doko> - started on the aondroid cross toolchain
[15:08] <doko> and Mon was a bank holiday
[15:08] <doko> (done)
[15:09] <slangasek>  * missed vUDS last week while on vacation, will catch up on the videos/blueprints later... but if there's anything you think I need to know about, feel free to flag it to me
[15:09] <slangasek>  * uploaded sysvinit and friends to saucy, bringing the Debian and Ubuntu upstart support in line and opening the flood gates for upstart patches into Debian unstable
[15:09] <slangasek>  * work on partner packages
[15:10] <slangasek>  * MP reviews are owed on upstart and update-notifier :/
[15:10] <slangasek> (done)
[15:10] <barry> image based updates - completed the http/https refactoring
[15:10] <barry> vUDS
[15:10] <barry> lp: #105884 - pyc file corruption; (hopeful) fix landed in saucy.  waiting a few days before starting the sru process for precise & raring
[15:10] <barry> todo: image based updates - implement the gpg keyring regime, logging/debugging, reboot initiation.
[15:10] <barry> done
[15:11] <bdmurray> pushed fix for errors bug 1178027 re multiget vs xget
[15:11] <bdmurray> daisy: tested code to back fill bucketsystems
[15:11] <bdmurray> errors: set the problem page html title
[15:11] <bdmurray> reported errors bug 1181329
[15:11] <bdmurray> modified phased-updater code to keep track of emails sent
[15:11] <bdmurray> emailed ubuntu-release regarding phased updates report review
[15:11] <barry> er, lp: #1058884
[15:11] <bdmurray> review of errors in the released SRU report
[15:11] <bdmurray> reported apport bug 1179979 regarding (add-apt-repository and apt-add-repository)
[15:11] <bdmurray> investigation into odd bash error appearing as a regression when it is not
[15:11] <bdmurray> ubuntu-release-upgrader fix for unicode error (lp: #1177821)
[15:11] <bdmurray> bug triage of free space on boot ubuntu-release-upgrader issue (lp: #1173468)
[15:11] <bdmurray> uploaded R SRU for bug 1173209 regarding ubuntu-release-upgrader
[15:11] <bdmurray> updated meta-release-proposed for raring and bug 1173209
[15:11] <bdmurray> merge proposal for update-manager phased-update calculation change
[15:11] <bdmurray> research into bug 1173013 regarding gksu and gdebi
[15:11] <bdmurray> python compiled corruption issue research
[15:11] <bdmurray> metarelease file changes for H and O
[15:11] <bdmurray> creation and testing of "sru-accept2.0" to aid in reviewing and accepting SRUs
[15:12] <bdmurray> with kees set the bug supervisor for ubuntu to ubuntu-bugcontrol and removed ubuntu-bugcontrol from ubuntu-bugs
[15:12] <bdmurray> email to bugcontrol regarding team removal
[15:12] <bdmurray> recording of virtual UDS sessions
[15:12] <bdmurray> ⌁ done ⌁
[15:12] <stokachu> nothing on fire this week, spent past two weeks working on internal projects. done.
[15:12] <slangasek> doko: will the android cross-toolchain still be ready by end of month?
[15:13] <doko> slangasek, will tell you that next monday
[15:14] <slangasek> ok
[15:14] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Bugs
[15:15] <slangasek> bdmurray: not sure if there's anything to talk about here, or if you've been dishing these out directly by mail?
[15:15] <bdmurray> slangasek: nothing to talk about here
[15:15] <stokachu> first rule of fight club?
[15:16] <slangasek> stokachu: and nothing new on your side either?
[15:16] <stokachu> slangasek: nothing new this week
[15:16] <slangasek> ok
[15:16] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:16] <slangasek> this could be a short meeting then :)
[15:16] <slangasek> anything else you guys want to mention?
[15:17] <stokachu> i need a sponsor for debian
[15:17] <stokachu> :D
[15:17] <slangasek> don't look at me, I'm lucky to find time to upload my own packages :/
[15:17] <xnox> stokachu: did you file RFS on bts? with a dsc on mentors?
[15:17] <stokachu> lol
[15:17] <stokachu> xnox: yep
[15:17] <xnox> stokachu: link?
[15:18] <stokachu> bugs.debian.org/705192
[15:19] <xnox> ack.
[15:20] <stokachu> xnox: there were a few suggestions that i fixed from liang before he uploaded to ftpmaster
[15:20] <xnox> noted.
[15:21] <xnox> stokachu: i wonder, it it would be usefult to collect sosreport from apport.
[15:21] <stokachu> xnox: yea more than likely it would be something like a apport plugin to run sosreport
[15:21] <stokachu> i just havent found time to see where it fits best
[15:22] <stokachu> another big push is from the cloud guys wanted to provide this by default on the images
[15:26] <xnox> uploaded.
[15:26] <stokachu> xnox: yay! thank you :D:D
[15:26]  * slangasek returns from restarting his desktop session and glares at firefox
[15:27] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[15:27] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed May 22 15:27:14 2013 UTC.
[15:27] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-05-22-15.02.moin.txt
[15:27] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-05-22-15.02.html
[15:27] <stokachu> xnox: now i just wait for ftpmaster to approve and we are good to go?
[15:27] <slangasek> ... before this turns into a rant about desktop stability ;)
[15:27] <slangasek> thanks, everyone!
[15:27] <jodh> thanks!
[15:27] <barry> thanks!
[15:28] <xnox> cheers.
[15:28] <stgraber> thanks!
[15:28] <xnox> stokachu: correct, there should a mail soonish stating the fact that it's in the new queue.
[15:28] <stokachu> xnox: cool yep i just got it
[15:57] <rbasak>  /wc
[16:04] <howard_> When is the next Kubuntu Team meeting? The listing I see is for last March.
[16:05] <Riddell> howard_: we just had one
[16:05] <Riddell> howard_: what are you wanting at one?
[16:05] <howard_> I wish to observe (if permitted)
[16:05] <Riddell> all welcome, best subscribe to kubuntu-devel mailing list for notifications and hang around in #kubuntu-devel for most development
[16:11] <howard_> TY


[07:09] <FourDollars> Does anyone know how to fix the problem of http://paste.ubuntu.com/9352909/ ?
[08:53] <FourDollars> OK. I used `DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nocheck fakeroot debian/rules binary` to bypass it.


[13:02] <Cryterion> .
[17:44] <qwebirc37242> Anyone available?
[17:50] <qwebirc37242> I'm Philip in Bloemfontein. Interested in Ubuntu. I have never used Linux ever but want to start  It's I am Ubuntu user in Bloemfontein?
[17:52] <qwebirc37242> Is there an Ubuntu user that i can contact  I want to use Xubuntu.


[01:22] <ScottyK> the low fat settings, if you enact them, can they later be "removed" or otherwise restore the system to the default?
[02:33] <ScottyK> the low fat settings, if you enact them, can they later be "removed" or otherwise restore the system to the default?
[03:16] <richard> help
[03:34] <Agent_bob> i kde alive and well in ubuntu ?      i haven't been around for several years now
[03:34] <Agent_bob> i/is/
[03:36] <richard_> ubuntu
[03:37] <sizz> kde is better than ever
[03:37] <sizz> kubuntu largely leaves things to you to setup how you like
[03:38] <richard_> yeah
[03:38] <sizz> kmail and amarok are still not so great
[03:39] <sizz> but most of the other kde apps are excellent
[03:40] <h4ckm3> hey I like amarok..
[03:40] <sizz> other than that, since around 4.6 kde has been quite stable, and the performance has improved a lot recently too
[03:40] <h4ckm3> Kubuntu is awesome
[03:41] <sizz> i prefer clementine for music
[03:41] <sizz> amarok isn't too bad
[04:20] <Agent_bob> i haven't seen anyone asking for help in here.    is this normal now?      time was that the questions rolled constantly in #kubuntu    i used to "try" to help in here.   but being a non-conformest and cli user  there was only so much i could actually help with
[04:22] <Agent_bob> heh.  if anyone wanted to setup a partitionless hd i could walk them through that without a problem    '/
[04:23] <Agent_bob> sizz   i generally use sox for audio files
[04:25] <sizz> i bet you watch video in the terminal with mplayer too ;_)
[04:25] <Agent_bob> vlc-nox
[04:25] <Agent_bob> :)))
[04:26] <Agent_bob> don't get me wrong, mplayer works ok.   it's just too popular
[04:50] <Agent_bob> borring     </yawns>
[05:05] <Daskreech> Agent_bob: Too popular?
[05:19] <Agent_bob> daskreech    heh.  yeah
[05:19] <Agent_bob> long time no speek daskreech
[05:19] <Agent_bob> errr   type ;/
[05:20] <Agent_bob> how are you ?
[05:21]  * Agent_bob long time no C++
[05:27] <Agent_bob> ubottu
[05:28] <Agent_bob> !ubottu
[05:29] <Agent_bob> ubottu ubottu ubottu
[05:29] <Daskreech> Agent_bob: I'm fine :)
[05:29] <Agent_bob> fine as frog hair split four ways
[05:30] <Daskreech> 1.8 times that fine
[05:30] <Agent_bob> :)))
[05:31] <Daskreech> how are you?
[05:32] <Agent_bob> i haven't been around.   this channel kinda died    sorta    and #ubuntu is about the same.    what happened?    did the fanfair ware off.
[05:32] <Agent_bob> i'm ok.   i got married again, been busy
[05:32] <Daskreech> Agent_bob: It's a support channel
[05:32] <Daskreech> things started working
[05:32] <Daskreech> \o/
[05:32] <Agent_bob> oh   hehhe
[05:32] <Daskreech> I want cake!
[05:32] <Agent_bob> i see
[05:32] <Agent_bob> ok  but it's three years old now.
[05:32] <Daskreech> plusplus
[05:33] <Agent_bob> plenty of plus plus       trust me.
[05:33] <Daskreech> Yeah apparently It's a thing for married type people to freeze the cake and have a slice on the first, fifth tenth and fifteenth anniversary
[05:34]  * Agent_bob shutters
[05:34] <Agent_bob> fifteen year old cake     ;/    ;S     </gag>
[05:35] <Agent_bob> no thanks
[05:36] <Daskreech> Most people don't get to the ten
[05:36] <Daskreech> Depending on how good the cake is that can be the tenth day >_>
[05:37] <Agent_bob> heh  yeah i know.   sad isn't it.    for ever sure isn't long any more
[05:38] <Agent_bob> first round was 7 years for me.     then went 15 single    finally desided i'd try it one more time.....
[05:38] <Daskreech> hoorah Commitment
[05:39] <Agent_bob> yeah "for ever" or until one of us says "uncle"    hehe
[05:39] <Daskreech> as a side note before this conversation ends I have a friend who went on two dates before being engaged
[05:41] <Daskreech> Agent_bob: So what morbid pleasure brings you back to the Khannel of the Dead?
[05:52] <Agent_bob> daskreech  heh    just being morbid at work.    "which explains the long responce times"
[05:55] <Daskreech> :-) Am I disturbing?
[05:55] <Agent_bob> not at all....          i changed professions also,   mechanical technition </anticipating>
[05:56] <Agent_bob> beets working for the wrong side...    and when there is no right side...    well you know.l
[05:57] <Agent_bob> -l
[06:08] <Daskreech> Technician ?
[06:21] <Agent_bob> daskreech   yes
[06:23] <Daskreech> What kind of Mechanics?
[06:24] <Agent_bob> 30ton  to  104 ton   equipment
[06:25] <Agent_bob> deisel electric + hyrdolic
[06:25] <Daskreech> neat :)
[06:28] <Agent_bob> far cry from information gathering,  but pays about as good,  if you consider that the only thing likely to try to kill you is something falling off of a lift  ;/
[06:29] <abe> hi all. I am wondering if the function Dolphin->right click a file->Send via Bluetooth is working or not
[06:29] <phani> Hi can someone help with an encrypted hard drive.. I am using lucid 10.04 version .. I have connected external encrypted lucid hard drive on another lucid laptop but I am unable to mount it .. when I try to mount it I get error as :  mount /dev/sdb5 /mnt  mount: unknown filesystem type 'crypto_LUKS'
[06:29] <Agent_bob> at any rate,  i'm about to finish up here.   so maybe i'll C++ you again some time soon.
[06:29] <Agent_bob> @ Daskreech    ^
[06:30] <phani> if I try to mount it via GUI it says :  Not a mountable file system
[06:34] <Daskreech> Agent_bob: Alright See you agian
[06:34] <Daskreech> I hope
[06:34] <Ipslore> phani > maybe you could check ecryptfs-utils package is installed on your system
[06:35] <Daskreech> abe: should be if you have bluedevil
[06:35] <Daskreech> phani: did you mount it as acrypted partition?
[06:35] <Daskreech> with the password?
[06:35] <phani> ipslore: yes its installed dpkg -l | grep ecryptfs-utils
[06:35] <phani> ii  ecryptfs-utils                                    83-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>.3                           ecryptfs cryptographic filesystem (utilities
[06:36] <Daskreech> !Info bluedevil
[06:36] <phani> Daskreech: not sure ow to mount as acryppted partition ? any hints
[06:37] <abe> Daskreech: thx. mind if I ask for a favor to test it for me pls :)  The reason I asked is that I remember seeing that option in KDE on my other kubuntu latop but without bluetooth. and my current machine with bluetooth isn't runnign kubuntu, and that function isn't working
[06:38] <phani> when I connect the encrypted hard drive it asks for a password and I give it and its says its a not a mountable file system... if I do mount manually it saus unknown file system type crypto_LUKS error
[06:39] <Daskreech> abe: I don't have bluetooth on this computer
[06:39] <abe> ah... that's ok :-)
[06:39] <Daskreech> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/rescue-an-encrypted-luks-lvm-volume.html
[06:40] <Daskreech> phani: ^^^
[06:40] <phani> Daskreech/Ipslore :  when I go to /dev/mapper  I can see my encrypted hard drive like tis :  udisks-luks-uuid-f4d08c59-6405-478c-b847-897519307d58-uid94056
[06:40] <phani> looking into the link
[06:41] <Ipslore> phani > well when I use a crypted volume, I always mount smthing from /dev/mapper
[06:43] <Ipslore> Does anyone know if the 4.8.2 packages will be available for kubuntu 11.10 ?
[06:44] <abe> can any kind kubuntu-er with bluetooth pls test for me if in Dolphin, right click a file->send via Bluetooth is working or not?
[06:44] <phani> ipslore/Daskreech :   when I scan for volumegroup it shows as: sudo vgscan --mknodes
[06:44] <phani>   Reading all physical volumes.  This may take a while...
[06:44] <phani>   Found duplicate PV 6PKs2wU8dj19oHO05ID0AcBI7lxMu5Sr: using /dev/mapper/crypt1 not /dev/mapper/udisks-luks-uuid-f4d08c59-6405-478c-b847-897519307d58-uid94056
[06:44] <phani>   Found volume group "sysvg" using metadata type lvm2
[06:44] <phani>   Found volume group "sysvg" using metadata type lvm2
[06:44] <FloodBotK1> phani: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:47] <phani> Daskreech: when I try to follow the doc you have given it gives an error like tis: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member'
[06:48] <phani> also this if I mount via GUI : unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member'
[07:09] <Daskreech> phani: you can ignore the lvm section if you don't have LVM
[07:09] <Daskreech> Ipslore: They will be available
[07:09] <phani> but I am unable to mount it in anyway.... either in GUI or via CLI
[07:10] <Ipslore> Daskreech: thx
[07:10] <Daskreech> phani: what happened once it asked for your password?
[07:12] <phani> Here is what and how I am doing... Connecting the hard drive and it shows under computer -> Click on it -> Asks for password ->Enter ->Error is : Not a mountable file system
[07:13] <Daskreech> phani: you said you mounted it manually how were you doing that?
[07:15] <phani> via CLI :  cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdc5 crypt1 -> keyslot unlocked
[07:15] <phani> check /dev/mapper and I see crypt1 there
[07:15] <Daskreech> phani: Right then ?
[07:17] <phani> mount /dev/mapper/crypt1   /mnt/backup   error :  unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member'  or crytpo_LUKS error
[07:18] <Daskreech> phani: do you have that partition on LVM ?
[07:18] <phani> how to find that ?
[07:18] <phani> using Gparted can I ?
[07:19] <Daskreech> try pvscan
[07:19] <phani> if I use gparted and select drive    /dev/sdc5   says file system :  crypt-luks
[07:19] <phani> trying pcvscan
[07:21] <Daskreech> sudo pvscan
[07:21] <phani> ok
[07:26] <Daskreech> nothing ?
[07:27] <phani> right now its not showing anything when i try to run the command cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdc5 crypt1   says crypt1 already exists
[07:27] <phani> but I can't find it /dev/napper
[07:27] <phani> *mapper
[07:27] <phani> not sure what happened suddenly..
[07:28] <phani> even pvscan or lvdisplay shows only original harddrive but nt the external one connected
[07:28] <phani> i can see that by running sudo fdisk -l
[07:29] <phani> i think i need to reboot my machine and connect back bt how can i contact you again ?  :(
[07:29] <Daskreech> phani: log back in here?
[07:30] <phani> yes
[07:30] <phani> ok let me reboot and connect back in 2 min
[07:30] <phani> sorry
[07:30] <Daskreech> sure
[07:34] <phoenix_firebrd> kmix crashes for every song change
[07:35] <phani2> Daskreech: I'm back...
[07:35] <Daskreech> phani2: twice as good as before
[07:35] <Daskreech> phoenix_firebrd: :-o
[07:35] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: :)
[07:38] <Daskreech> phoenix_firebrd: I presume you are all up2date ?
[07:39] <phani2> Daskreech :  Here is via CLI :  cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdb5 encrypted -> Enter passphrase for /dev/sdb5 -> Key slot 1 unlocked.
[07:39] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: using kde 4.8.1 on kubuntu 12.04 beta 2, but i had the problem also in kubuntu 11.10 kde 4.8.1
[07:40] <Daskreech> phoenix_firebrd: what soundcard?
[07:40] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: creative sound blaster live 24 bit
[07:40] <Daskreech> phani2: sudo fdisk -l /dev/mapper/encrypted
[07:40] <Daskreech> phoenix_firebrd: oh >_>
[07:42] <phani2> Daskreech: Please see this :  http://paste.ubuntu.com/917107/
[07:42] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: any solution?
[07:44] <Daskreech> phoenix_firebrd: I'm not sure. The Creative Labs guys are being a bit difficult so not sure what the approach should be
[07:44] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: is it a driver issue?
[07:45] <Daskreech> phoenix_firebrd: That would be my first guess but I don't know enough to go either way
[07:45] <Daskreech> I suppose getting the traceback for the crash is the best way to go
[07:46] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: i have the crash report, can you take a look?
[07:47] <phani2> Daskreech :   pv display shows  as :   http://paste.ubuntu.com/917111/
[07:47] <Daskreech> phoenix_firebrd: pastebin it
[07:48] <Daskreech> phani2: sudo vgscan
[07:48] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: http://paste.kde.org/452594/
[07:49] <phani2> Daskreech:  here it is : http://paste.ubuntu.com/917113/
[07:50] <Daskreech> phani2: sudo lvscan
[07:51] <phani2> Daskreech:   http://paste.ubuntu.com/917116/
[07:51] <Daskreech> phoenix_firebrd: looks good. Can you put that in a bug report?
[07:52] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: sure
[07:52] <Daskreech> phani2: do you have a /dev/sysvg/root file ?
[07:52] <phani2> in /dev/mapper  :  yes but if I mount that to /mnt  it shows the local hard drive info and not the external hard drive...
[07:53] <Daskreech> phoenix_firebrd: Ok looks to be some listen event in Qwatcher crashing from Pulseaudio
[07:53] <georgelappies> hi all, just updated to latest updates in precise and now I cannot log in
[07:53] <Daskreech> georgelappies: join #ubuntu+1
[07:54] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: line number please
[07:54] <Daskreech> phani2: you don't have a /dev/sysvg directory ?
[07:54] <Daskreech> phoenix_firebrd: hmm? no use the entire thing when you are posting the bug
[07:54] <phani2> I do have and in that I can root and swap which in turn is a symlink points to /dev/mapper
[07:55] <Daskreech> phani2: which if you mount to /mnt/backup is not the encrypted drive ?
[07:56] <Daskreech> it seems that should be the external drive from the sequence you posted
[07:56] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: There are some missing debugging symbols, i will install it and do a new backtrace  and i will get back to you
[07:57] <Daskreech> phoenix_firebrd: Thanks it was a little sparse :)
[07:57] <phani2> Daskreech :  Nope . It shows the laptop's hard drive data and not the encrypted hard drive info which I want
[07:57] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: :)
[07:59] <Daskreech> phani2: How big is the laptop hard drive?
[08:00] <phani2> I have 2 harddrives of 160GB each... encrypted 160 and laptop's 160GB
[08:00] <Daskreech> That's not helpful :)
[08:01] <phani2> you mean the size of the hard drive ?
[08:01] <phani2> I am using IBM T400 laptop
[08:01] <Daskreech> Yeah umm let me wee
[08:01] <Daskreech> see
[08:04] <Daskreech> phani2: pastebin sudo fdisk -l
[08:05] <phani2> Daskreech :  here it is :   http://paste.ubuntu.com/917130/
[08:08] <Daskreech> Are they clones of each other?
[08:08] <phani2> Daskreech : nope
[08:10] <Daskreech> phani2: hmm ok
[08:13] <phani2> any other hints ?
[08:14] <phani2> Daskreech :   If I do like this :  mount /dev/sdb5 /mnt/backup/   : mount: unknown filesystem type 'crypto_LUKS'
[08:19] <Daskreech> Crypto_LUKS means it need to be opened with luksOpen You did that laready
[08:22] <phani2> Daskreech: ok
[08:29] <phani2> Daskreech :  so any more suggestions that's left for us to troubleshoot ;)
[08:33] <Daskreech> try removing the crpty paition and seei f /dev/sysau\nmus gyestikd
[08:50] <abe> confirmed with another kubuntu (kde 4.8.1) user of not working Dolphin -> right click a file -> Send via Bluetooth. Anyone got it to work on their system?
[08:51] <lordievader> abe, I don't use bluetooth myself, byt perhaps the terminal can tell you of some errors, just launch dolphin through a terminal and do it again.
[08:53] <abe> lordievader: unfortunately nothing :(  Actually I'm currently on a gentoo system and is not working also. I am just wondering if it's the same for kubuntu also (but my kubuntu old laptop doesn't have bt)
[08:56] <lordievader> abe, I'm sorry I can't be of further help, as I said I don't use bluetooth, perhaps some one else here knows something else you can try the forums: ubuntuforums.org
[08:56] <abe> thanks lordievader:-)
[08:57] <abe> I'll hang around to see if any kind kubuntu-er with bluetooth can try for me (right click file in dolphin -> Send via bluetooth)
[09:06] <Ipslore> abe: I'm trying to send an mp4 file to my android phone via bt
[09:06] <Ipslore> (kubuntu 11.10)
[09:06] <Ipslore> it seems to work, but transfert is very slow
[09:08] <abe> ah cool!
[09:08] <abe> mine just got stuck at "transfering" always 0%
[09:09] <abe> Ipslore: did it finish eventually?
[09:09] <Ipslore> well not realy better here
[09:10] <Ipslore> stuck after 83.6 kio transfered
[09:10] <Ipslore> I have to cancel the transfert
[09:11] <abe> well... at least it's better than 0% :)
[09:11] <Ipslore> yup, but still unsable ;)
[09:12] <abe> Ipslore: I was trying to use "bluedevil-sendfile -u <device_address> -f <path_to_file>" also, but it segfault straight away
[09:13] <abe> I wonder if that works for you :)
[09:13] <abe> because at least you got some progress
[09:14] <Ipslore> abe: same as you : segfault
[09:16] <abe> hmm... thought you would have gone further!
[09:17] <abe> Ipslore: thanks for the info :)
[09:20] <Ipslore> you're welcome. GL for that issue.
[10:04] <sebastian_> hi. looks like I have a clash between the nouveau driver and nvidia official driver here on a default installation
[10:05] <lordievader> sebastian_, that could be, what kind of error or behaviour do you see?
[10:05] <sebastian_> nouveau and nvidia-common are installes and glxinfo says Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0".
[10:06] <sebastian_> I've asked in freenode #nouveau and they say it may be a clash
[10:07] <sebastian_> nvidia-common and nvidia-current are installed
[10:07] <lordievader> could very well be, do you like experimenting with video drivers? you could try to remove one and see if it fixes the clash, but you might endup with a box not willing to boot X
[10:08] <sebastian_> that's a fresh installation without any needed data
[10:09] <lordievader> that is not what I am saying, what I mean is remove either nouveau or the nvidia driver, reboot and see if it fixes anything. but as I said you might end up without a gui
[10:10] <sebastian_> if I end up without X, can you give me some hints to revover?
[10:10] <lordievader> that's the tricky part, do you have a secondary pc? from there you can lookup the command to reinstall a driver
[10:11] <sebastian_> I have, yes
[10:11] <lordievader> a good first question do you need the GLX extension?
[10:12] <sebastian_> I've a resonable 2d acceleration here
[10:13] <lordievader> because if you do not really need it, why bother going through the trouble of fixing it?
[10:13] <sebastian_> but: "<mupuf> shouldn't hurt"
[10:13] <sebastian_> maybe I'm not the only one with that problem
[10:16] <TheHammer> k this is the secondary pc
[10:16] <sebastian_> I'll try to install nvidia
[10:16] <sebastian_> I'll try to uninstall nvidia
[10:16] <lordievader> I'd say remove the nouveau
[10:17] <lordievader> and then run, how was it called?, nvidia-config?
[10:17] <sebastian_> hm
[10:17] <lordievader> Something along those lines, let me look it up.
[10:17] <sebastian_> nvidia-xconfig
[10:18] <lordievader> Yea that is probably it, but TheHammer and sebastian_ are the same right?
[10:18] <sebastian_> yep
[10:18] <lordievader> ok
[10:20] <sebastian_> what is that dpkg command called? dpkg --purge xserver-xorg-video-nouveau ?
[10:20] <lordievader> You can just use apt-get, sudo apt-get remove nouveau*
[10:21] <sebastian_> k let's try
[10:24] <sebastian_> fyi this just removed the metapackage xserver-xorg-video-all
[10:25] <lordievader> Huh, it is supposed to remove more... else open muon and look for nouveau and remove all the packages with nouveau in the title
[10:26] <sebastian_> ok, if I want to uninstall nouveau*, it wants to remove everything
[10:27] <lordievader> everytjomg related to nouveau?
[10:27] <lordievader> everythin*
[10:27] <sebastian_> including kde, alsa, kernel 3.2, X
[10:27] <lordievader>  yea that is probably not good...
[10:28] <sebastian_> network-manager, ubuntu-minimal
[10:28] <lordievader> remove the nouveau packages through muon else
[10:31] <sebastian_> let's say I can't uninstall libdrm-nouveau1a
[10:31] <sebastian_> without breaking some dependencies
[10:31] <lordievader> nah leave it, probably wont do that much bad things
[10:31] <sebastian_> that's just the Userspace interface
[10:32] <sebastian_> k I'll restart, because you folks removed the ctrl+alt+backspace command :)
[10:33] <lordievader> it annoys me too...
[10:33] <TheHammer> I'm stll here ...
[10:34] <TheHammer> X is up
[10:34] <lordievader> That nice
[10:36] <TheHammer> but glx is still missing, should I try to execute nvidia-xconfig or reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:37] <lordievader> nvidia-xconfig does exactly that
[10:38] <arshinator> can anyone tell me how to make grub automatically load the kernel while booting
[10:38] <TheHammer> lordievader, ty
[10:39] <lordievader> arshinator, he doesnt? did you edit grub?
[10:39] <lordievader> TheHammer, no problem, GLX is now loading?
[10:39] <TheHammer> lordievader, none moment
[10:39] <TheHammer> lordievader, one moment
[10:40] <arshinator> lordievader: no i lost grub after installing windows...restored it through the live cd...but nw i have to manually load the linux kernel whenever i start the system
[10:40] <lordievader> let grub reconfigure
[10:41] <lordievader> arshinator, sudo update-grub
[10:41] <arshinator> everytime i start the system i get the grub prompt and from there i have to load the kernel..i want it to give me options between windows and kubuntu when i start
[10:41] <TheHammer> lordievader, glx is still missing, the display resolutio is not 640x480 or so
[10:41] <TheHammer> lordievader, glx is still missing, the display resolutio is now 640x480 or so
[10:41] <arshinator> lordievader, i did that but no use
[10:42] <lordievader> TheHammer, hmm that aint good, can you configure it using nvidia-settings?
[10:44] <lordievader> arshinator, phew grub2 is quite different, anyhow what does the file /etc/default/grub say?
[10:44] <TheHammer> lordievader, nvidia-settings says nvidia driver isn't loaded, but the xorg.conf says it is. I think this is the cause of the bad resolution.
[10:45] <arshinator> lordievader, u want me to paste the contents of the file?
[10:45] <lordievader> that is probable, try reinstalling the driver, i.e. download it from nvidia using wget and running the installer
[10:45] <lordievader> !paste
[10:46] <arshinator> lordievader,http://paste.kde.org/452732/
[10:47] <lordievader> Hmm well it is different from mine, on one thing, in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT I got the same thing except without the 5
[10:49] <lordievader> arshinator, in grub you do have entries for your install?
[10:49] <arshinator> lordievader, i guess this file is fine....but i still can't get grub to automatically load the kernel
[10:50] <TheHammer> lordievader, nvidia driver don't like a running x server. an idea how to disable it except sudo echo  "foo" >> xorg.conf
[10:51] <lordievader> TheHammer, hit ctrl + alt+ f1
[10:51] <arshinator> lordievader, no all i get at the startup is the grub prompt..and then from there i have to set root....load insid and kernel image and then manually boot it
[10:51] <lordievader> assuming you run kde, type sudo service kdm stop
[10:51] <lordievader> arshinator, well there you have the reason for it not booting
[10:52] <arshinator> lordievader, i dont get it?
[10:52] <lordievader> if grub doesn't have any entries how is he supposed to know what to boot?
[10:53] <arshinator> lordievader, could u pls tell me how can i fix it?
[10:54] <lordievader> here someone says that the command sudo update-grub did fix it, what output do you get from it?
[10:54] <arshinator> it did not
[10:54] <lordievader> arshinator, but what output does it give?
[10:56] <arshinator> it does not give any error....it upadtes it http://paste.kde.org/452750/
[10:57] <TheHammer> lordievader, that's an evil trap: if you make a mistake in your xorg.conf, X doesn't start and you don't get a console either
[10:57] <lordievader> TheHammer, the whole nvidia-xconfig thing?
[10:57] <TheHammer> yep
[10:57] <lordievader> I believe my nvidia card did work with it tough :P
[10:58] <TheHammer>  ctrl + alt+ f1 didn't work, becase it recognized the running x
[10:58] <TheHammer> so I prepended foo to the xorg.conf
[10:58] <TheHammer> and restarted
[10:59] <lordievader> yeah then you'll get a promt
[10:59] <lordievader> prompt*
[10:59] <TheHammer> nope
[10:59] <TheHammer> no promt, just a black screen
[10:59] <lordievader> TheHammer, wait so now you are stuck with a black screen?
[10:59] <TheHammer> yep
[11:00] <TheHammer> sshd is not installed
[11:00] <lordievader> arshinator, this command didn't work? it does show it found an linux kernel
[11:00] <lordievader> and the ctrl+alt+fXX didn't work?
[11:00] <TheHammer> lordievader, nope
[11:01] <arshinator> lordievader, no this did not do anything...i also did a grub reinstall and the grub-update...even that didn't work
[11:01] <lordievader> TheHammer, reboot and use the recovery mode, from there you can drop to a root shell, make sure to mount the drives first
[11:03] <lordievader> arshinator, you are on the actual install right, not the live cd?
[11:03] <TheHammer> ok esc got me to a shell
[11:03] <arshinator> yes
[11:03] <lordievader> run this : sudo grub-install --recheck /dev/sdX; sudo update-grub  (replacing the X with your harddrive with ubuntu on it)
[11:05] <TheHammer> lordievader, I've removed the xorg.conf and will now install nouveau and remove nvidia
[11:05] <lordievader> yeah if that works, go for it!
[11:10] <TheHammer> yep opengl is working
[11:10] <lordievader> Oh ok, nice :)
[11:18] <sebastian__> lordievader: to summary: there is a clash in the _default_ installation and uninstalling the nvidia driver worked
[11:19] <lordievader> sebastian__, yes that would be a good summary, another would be that video drivers are a pain in the ass
[11:20] <TheHammer> they are - indeed
[12:21] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: are you there?
[12:32] <georgelappies> hi all, anybody else unable to login to KDE after the lastest updates from a few hours ago?
[12:33] <lordievader> georgelappies, I am updating right now, so we'll see
[12:33] <lordievader> O hey it is done, lets reboot and see.
[12:34] <georgelappies> me holds thumbs for lordievader!
[12:42] <lordievader> I can still login like normal.
[12:42] <lordievader> And I am running 4.8.2
[13:42] <merlin1991> so I want to move partitions around a lil, I've got 2 partitions on sda (1 and 5) and would like to move sda5 to sdb which is a completely new ssd
[13:43] <merlin1991> now I need a proper way to move the partition there and update grub on the way to look for its modules in the new place
[13:59] <kyo> helo
[13:59] <kyo> hello
[14:01] <kyo> there anybody here?
[14:01] <kyo> there anybody here?
[14:01] <phoenix_firebrd> kyo: hi
[14:02] <kyo> hi phoenix
[14:03] <kyo> no activity?
[14:03] <kyo> here?
[14:03] <phoenix_firebrd> kyo: ya
[14:03] <kyo> do you speak english? spanish?
[14:04] <phoenix_firebrd> kyo:  english
[14:04] <kyo> ok
[14:04] <kyo> how are you?
[14:05] <phoenix_firebrd> kyo: i am fine, thank you
[14:05] <kyo> good
[14:06] <kyo> do not speak much truth?
[14:07] <phoenix_firebrd> kyo: i speak a lot
[14:08] <kyo> but.....?
[14:08] <phoenix_firebrd> kyo: what?
[14:09] <kyo> because do you not write more?
[14:09] <phoenix_firebrd> kyo: we are not suppose to talk any other thing except the OS related issues
[14:10] <phoenix_firebrd> in this channel
[14:10] <kyo> thrue
[14:10] <merlin1991> so how do I tell grub to use another partition for its modules and everything?
[14:12] <kyo> i don't know
[14:56] <naftilos76> Did you hear what's comming? Aliens are comming but only for one reason to fix the god dam kmail2 and get the hell out....
[14:57] <naftilos76> they are on CNN! tune in....
[15:00] <naftilos76> yes yes it's fixed! it's fixed...
[15:35] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[15:37] <Daskreech> Hi BluesKaj
[15:43] <BluesKaj> hi Daskreech , finally got kmail working with gmail -imap , now I just have to figure out what my ISP email server uses ..probly imap as well , since it's been contracted to a webmail server
[15:45] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: so you become a ISP's support nightnamre
[15:47] <Daskreech> What do you mean you aren't using Outlook?
[15:47] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, well, it was mainly a challenge for me to get kmail/akonadi working ...I suspect i won't need to use kmail much
[15:50] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: you don't get a lot of mail?
[15:52] <BluesKaj> oh I do Daskreech , but it's all on webmail ...no more pop servers
[15:54] <Waani> ahh I started using Kmail for the same reasons and now i dont use webmail much...
[15:54] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: ^^^ this
[15:55] <Daskreech> Gmail does have some things like archiving that are more useful through the web interface but kmail does pretty well
[15:57] <BluesKaj> frankly the kmail email interface isn't my style , if prefer a simpler look
[15:57] <carlos> hi
[15:58] <Guest80789> mm
[15:58] <Guest80789> poke
[15:59] <Daskreech> hi
[16:00] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: like just a listing of the headers and body?
[16:01] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, yes
[16:02] <Waani> true tht kmail isnt user attractive the first times... i have to admit that the fist time i used it i endedup removing it. But once passed the first step its quite userfriendly
[16:02] <Waani> hi
[16:03] <Waani> but gmail too :p the main difference is not to open your browser to check mails
[16:03] <Waani> i think
[16:06] <BluesKaj> my browser is always open
[16:08] <ybit> aha
[16:08] <ybit> http://www.howtoforge.com/creating-a-kde-live-cd-dvd-using-kubuntu
[16:08] <BluesKaj> needed to do a totally clean install to rid my system of corrupted config files , mostly with akonadi and nepomuk...all seems quite stable atm on 12.04/kde 4.8.2
[16:08] <ybit> i didn't realize this was possible
[16:09] <ybit> guess that's another custom kde distro to work on
[16:10] <Daskreech> My main thing is that Gmail uses up like 200 MB of memory and opens slower than kmail
[16:11] <BluesKaj> yeah google loads a lot of stuff these days .
[16:15] <Waani> oh and is there some function to crypt messages on google ? KMail with kleopatra does is pretty instantaneously <-- sorry if i got the wrong word
[16:15] <Waani> encrypt*
[16:16] <Waani> encrypt or crypt? or my english got so bad that am making up words?
[16:17] <BluesKaj> Waani, it's ok we get the message/meaning :)
[16:18] <Waani> oks :)
[16:21] <BluesKaj> I use encyption for my passwords textfile ..not a fan of kwalletmanager
[16:21] <Daskreech> Waani: Either works
[16:21] <Daskreech> Waani: But encrypt is more straightforward
[16:27] <Waani> Darkreech : oks thanks :)
[16:27] <Waani> BluesKaj : you put all your passwords in encrypted textfiles ? You get everything to work well with it? I always thought Kwalman was the only thing working well with kde apps.... interresting
[18:36] <savio> hey when i click on sleep my system gets screen lock
[18:36] <savio> my sleep option is not working
[18:36] <savio> my kernel is 3.2.6
[18:39] <Guest5653> knfgkdfg
[18:39] <Guest5653> have my font
[18:39] <ArchangelSe7en> savio, sudo pm-suspend
[18:39] <ArchangelSe7en> try that in your terminal
[18:39] <Guest5653> alguien en espa?ol
[18:40] <savio> it's says command not found ArchangelSe7en
[18:41] <ArchangelSe7en> savio, type "pm-" and hit <tab> twice
[18:41] <savio> no use
[18:42] <ArchangelSe7en> no .. but what does it say
[18:42] <Guest5653> alguien a tenido problema instalando font en fluxbox
[18:42] <savio> ArchangelSe7en: command not found
[18:42] <ArchangelSe7en> err ..
[18:42] <ArchangelSe7en> dont hit enter
[18:43] <ArchangelSe7en> just hit tab twice
[18:43] <savio> when i issue tab noting happens
[18:43] <ArchangelSe7en> hm ..
[18:43] <ArchangelSe7en> which distro ?
[18:43] <savio> ubuntu 10.04
[18:43] <savio> with kernel 3.2.6
[18:44] <ArchangelSe7en> bizarre
[18:44] <savio> what?
[18:48] <savio> any help?
[18:57] <Daskreech> !es
[18:58] <Daskreech> Guest5653: Por favor vea el anterior
[18:58] <Daskreech> !info pm-suspend
[18:58] <Daskreech> !find pm-suspend
[18:58] <Daskreech> !info pm-utils
[18:59] <Daskreech> savio: do you have pm-utils installed?
[19:31] <AlfE_> hello
[19:31] <AlfE_> remmina is quite unstable under kubuntu 12.04 beta 2
[19:45] <badgoat> hi every body
[19:45] <badgoat> there are a new web site if you need a nice dual boot ! http://www.linux2deal.byethost4.com
[19:49] <szal> !12.04 | AlfE_
[20:53] <aguitel> how upgrade kubuntu 11.10 to 12.04 ?
[20:56] <avihay> !12.04| aguitel
[20:56] <avihay> it's released in the end of the month, I think
[20:57] <avihay> will be*
[20:58] <BarkingFish> evening all. I have a prog installed here which is trying to output sound via /dev/dsp - that's wrong as far as I can tell, but what is the kde / kubuntu equivalent of the device where sound goes?
[20:58] <BarkingFish> /dev/dsp as far as I can remember was for OSS
[21:04] <avihay> BarkingFish: AFAIK, kubuntu uses pulse-audio which manapolizes the sound card. you might want to try looking at !alsa-oss
[21:05] <BarkingFish> i don't use pulseaudio, avihay - it breaks my system.
[21:05] <BarkingFish> i'll look for alsa-oss instead
[21:05] <avihay> or padsp
[21:05] <BarkingFish> !info alsaoss precise
[21:05] <avihay> for pulse
[21:05] <avihay> with the dash
[21:06] <BarkingFish> !info alsa-oss precise
[21:06] <BarkingFish> excellent
[21:06] <BarkingFish> that should do it
[22:09] <Caitlin889955> hello!
[22:09] <BarkingFish> Hi Caitlin889955 :)
[22:10] <BarkingFish> Anything we can do to help you?
[22:10] <Caitlin889955> Not at this moment. thank you!
[22:10] <Caitlin889955> trying to read doc first :)
[22:11] <Caitlin889955> But my prob is wine cant run curse client for wow
[22:11] <Caitlin889955> .net 3.5 and ie6 for 64bit in presice 12.04
[22:11] <BarkingFish> Caitlin889955, right - I can stop you there - you're in the wrong channel :)
[22:12] <Caitlin889955> kind of a pain if you ask me. I do however really enjoy the new wine 1.5.1 Correct i am!
[22:12] <BarkingFish> Anything which you may need help with for Precise 12.04 (until its official release) is in #ubuntu+1
[22:12] <Caitlin889955> :)Ty Barkingfish
[22:13] <BarkingFish> if you poke your head in there, someone will gladly assist you - remember Precise is still in beta, so things may not work the way you expect! I'm finding that out myself, having upgraded to 12.04 this morning :D
[22:13] <Caitlin889955> Have you tried presice yet? It is fantadtic! It's a shame they are scraping it after lts
[22:13] <Caitlin889955> Oh cool!
[22:13] <BarkingFish> What do you mean they're "scrapping" it?
[22:14] <Caitlin889955> After 12.04 concial is no longer goign to support kde (j riddle) says he will still try to help after its release and ending support term
[22:15] <Caitlin889955> People are saying kubuntu is Dead yeah right...
[22:15] <Caitlin889955> But yeah after the LTS its done and gone.
[22:16] <Caitlin889955> Thank you for the info BarkingFish
[22:16] <BarkingFish> you're welcome
[22:19] <JMichaelX> you are thinking that after 12.04, kubuntu is dead and gone?
[22:19] <BarkingFish> This is what I understood, JMichaelX - That's why I just checked with Jon in the devel channel...
[22:20] <BarkingFish> I wish people would get their facts straight before feeding them into a public channel :/
[22:20] <JMichaelX> BarkingFish: and that is how he responded?
[22:20] <BarkingFish> The only thing Canonical are stopping is Commercial support
[22:21] <JMichaelX> BarkingFish: yea, that is what my understanding had been
[22:21] <BarkingFish> They're not selling anymore tech support contracts after 12.04
[22:21] <JMichaelX> yea... i don't think that non-commercial users are going to notice any huge difference
[22:21] <BarkingFish> JMichaelX, well having only come to 12.04 about 23 hours ago, i'm kinda catching up on stuff
[22:22] <JMichaelX> BarkingFish: i have not installed 12.04 on anything yet
[22:22] <BarkingFish> Ah, I added one of precise's pools onto apper, and ran an apt-get dist-upgrade about midnight 30 this morning :)
[22:23] <BarkingFish> nice, couple of things went wrong but they're now fixed, so all's good at the moment
[22:24] <JMichaelX> the last several rounds, i have waited until 2 or 3 days before final release to upgrade a few machines, then waited until a few weeks later to upgrade the others
[22:25] <BarkingFish> well we're only ±3 weeks away from 0-hour, so I thought I'd give it a shot, wait until some of the bugs in earlier beta had been ironed out, and try it
[22:25] <BarkingFish> Glad I did so far, it's pretty dang good
[22:56] <christ_> hola.
[22:58] <Daskreech> hola
[23:09] <Daskreech> hi christ_


 Hello... I just submitted a bug in the KDE bug report site... Not sure if it helps you guys out
[03:10] <kicowobuha> Hi, would this be the right place for getting support with getting Nvidia's proprietary drivers working?
[03:11] <Artic> I'll help if I can
[03:12] <Artic> Do you know what video card you have and what version of kubuntu?
[03:17] <Artic> I'd try this:
[03:17] <Artic> First try to remove whatever you've installed:
[03:17] <Artic> sudo apt remove --purge nvidia-*
[03:17] <Artic> Then add the graphics drivers repository (for the latest Nvidia drivers):
[03:17] <Artic> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:graphics-drivers
[03:17] <Artic> Then try to let Kubuntu install the drivers:
[06:16] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:04] <n8w> hey, after switching(soft&update>>additional drivers) from nvidia drivers(390) to nouveau, all im getting is console, no gui...any suggesttion?u18.4
[08:25] <CheetahPixie> Morning.
[08:25] <CheetahPixie> I'm trying to get my KDE partition manager to do ZFS, but it says t depends on the "zfs" package.
[08:25] <CheetahPixie> This is a virtual package provided by zfsutils-linux, which I have installed, yet refreshing does not show zfs up as supported.
[10:18] <n8w> x server no longer starts automatically after a reinstall(always have to manually execute startx)….systemctl get-default returns graphical.target. Any suggestions?
[10:33] <CheetahPixie> I took a bit of a roundabout with the zfs-dkms module that I needed; apparently the spl module was failing due to being incompatible with anything other than run of the mill Ubuntu kernels (I have and use UKUU quite a bit), so I looked up some packages in Eoan (to check if those versions were newer), and upon discovering that there were updates, te
[10:33] <CheetahPixie> mporarily switched my sources.list to Eoan, installed the ZFS framework, and then reverted.
[10:34] <CheetahPixie> I also figured out that, with an apt search, the spl package that failed had apparently been dummied out, which probably was why I wasn't able to install spl via dkms anymore, and thus avoid the spl non-compliation entirely.
[10:34] <lordievader> n8w: What does `systemctl --failed` say?
[10:39] <n8w> lordievader just found the cause...broken sddm...i think its gonna b ok now...
[10:43] <CheetahPixie> The worse part: KDE partition manager thing still shows no zfs support.
[10:43] <CheetahPixie> Even though it seems that zfs is working as a system service and all.
[10:59] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
 Hey blueskaj
[11:19] <BluesKaj> hey Swift110
[11:33] <lordievader> n8w: Good that you found the culprit
[13:45] <christophe_> hello guys ! I just did a fresh kubuntu install, and installed electronplayer. But it doesn't launch ... is there any way to launch an app from konsole in verbose mode ?
[13:49] <christophe_> btw this app runs well on my laptop
 How ard you Blueskaj
[15:47] <user|2755> non riesco a parlare con nessuno del supporto perchè ho un problema con kubuntu
[15:48] <user|2755> c'è qualcuno online perchè non capisco nulla...
[15:50] <user|2755> hi i can also speak english if needed...
[15:53] <user|abcdef> hi
[15:55] <user|abcdef> i have a problem with kubuntu
[15:55] <user|abcdef> can you help me?
[15:55] <crydotsnake-M> Explain what your Problem is:)
[15:57] <user|abcdef> i have installed kubuntu 64 bit (last version on my old HP 530), all was fine but when i try to open discover it crashes...
[16:00] <user|abcdef> it is fast to surf the web and similar things but this application is strange :(
[16:04] <user|abcdef> i love this distro of linux because is fast and similar to windows
[16:06] <user|abcdef> sorry for this screen...
[16:10] <rakesh4545> discover is really weird program. It crashes for me too. Sometimes it would hang on downloads and sometimes it won't even download applications.
[16:11] <user|abcdef> if i lauch it via Konsole it shows me errors like some file invalid or some packages aren't installed
[16:11] <user|abcdef> but kde did saw this error?
[16:12] <user|abcdef> sorry for bad english
[16:12] <crydotsnake-M> I didnt have any problems with Discover yet..
[16:12] <rakesh4545> why don't you open it directly from start menu?
[16:13] <user|abcdef> i tried it but it loads very slow and nothing of the software works...
[16:13] <user|abcdef> i tried to reinstall but it isn't useful
[16:14] <rakesh4545> maybe try updating
[16:14] <rakesh4545> is your kubuntu up to date
[16:14] <user|abcdef> i have updated this morning
[16:15] <user|abcdef> kde is updated and kernel is updated
[16:18] <rakesh4545> I am just a user like you. If you wish to download any application then i would suggest you to see if any package managers could help.
[16:19] <user|abcdef> ok but the system can't update if discover is not installed
[16:20] <user|abcdef> i seen that there's a problem with "some packages are missing" and these are necessary to load the application
[16:21] <user|abcdef> the problem is also in the version 18
[16:21] <user|abcdef> i tried to rollback but isn't useful
[16:22] <rakesh4545> did you tried sudo apt-get update
[16:22] <user|abcdef> i'm tryng
[16:23] <user|abcdef> it says nothing
[16:24] <user|abcdef> now i open discover?
[16:24] <rakesh4545> and now do sudo apt-get upgrade
[16:24] <user|abcdef> ok...
[16:25] <user|abcdef> discover doesn't loads
[16:25] <user|abcdef> it's an empty screen and cpu is working
[16:26] <user|abcdef> it was black for almost 1 sec
[16:27] <rakesh4545> What I believe is that the above commands refreshes dependencies and updates the applications. So if any dependencies was missing this will get them. Again I am not an expert, just a user.
[16:28] <user|abcdef> and so i can try to resolve dependencies?
[16:29] <user|abcdef> i killed the process because it was stuck
[16:32] <rakesh4545> you might wish to hang around for some higher intellectual to join the conversation  :D
[16:32] <user|abcdef> hahahaha:)
[16:33] <user|abcdef> thanks for helping me:)
[16:35] <user|abcdef> if i send a screenshot of terminal?
[16:36] <rakesh4545> that might help.
[16:36] <rakesh4545> to see the error
[16:36] <user|abcdef> yes i'm reproducin the error
[16:36] <user|abcdef> please wait...
[16:39] <user|abcdef> ops i have to retry
[16:40] <user|abcdef> you can open it?
[16:41] <user|abcdef> i founded the document that i have created
[16:41] <user|abcdef> if needed
[16:42] <rakesh4545> did you sent me something?
[16:42] <user|abcdef> https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/F35Y9BXvSrmRfzDOPvWf?signature=398069df20bcebfc13960eecc878e0935f3a70cc34daaaef79502cd722466cb2&policy=eyJleHBpcnkiOjE1NjY0MDc2OTZ9
[16:42] <user|abcdef>  https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/Z2QBAjTuS1K5gYVZblaM?signature=f3ab9f2b3f987e2f2f023975db8f7b278ac111a1d31902d985f75955b5d32a86&policy=eyJleHBpcnkiOjE1NjY0MDc3MjJ9
[16:42] <user|abcdef> two times :)
[16:53] <user|abcdef> did you understand what is the problem?
[16:56] <rakesh4545> do plasma-discover --listbackends and tell the outputs
[16:57] <rakesh4545> "plasma-discover --listbackends"
[16:58] <user|abcdef> it says avaiable backends:packagekit-backend kns-backend snap-backend
[17:08] <user|abcdef> it's useful?
[17:10] <rakesh4545> its wierd, you have those backends installed in the system, still you get that error.
[17:10] <user|abcdef> oh..
[17:11] <user|abcdef> how i can install more backends
[17:11] <user|abcdef> ?
[17:12] <rakesh4545> maybe try the classic way "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get install plasma-discover"  :P
[17:14] <user|abcdef> ok
[17:15] <user|abcdef> plasma discover is installed and apt-get update returns all updated
[17:21] <rakesh4545> what do you get on doing pkcon --version
[17:22] <user|abcdef> wait
[17:22] <user|abcdef> 1.1.12
[17:31] <rakesh4545> ok. simply remove discover with "sudo apt-get remove plasma-discover" then re-install "sudo apt-get update" and then "sudo apt-get install plasma-discover". then run it "discover-plasma"
[17:31] <user|abcdef> ok i'm tryng
[17:32] <rakesh4545> i meant "plasma-discover"
[17:33] <user|abcdef> same error :(
[17:34] <user|abcdef> i have to kill the process to exit
[17:43] <user|abcdef> kde doesn't offer to repair this software?
[17:44] <user|abcdef> i tried to write at kde with email but ican't found their email address
[18:00] <rakesh4545> how about downgrading your Packagekit to 1.1.9 version?
[18:01] <user|abcdef> how i can do it?
[18:01] <user|abcdef> how i can do it?
[18:01] <user|abcdef> the message disappeared sorry
[18:03] <rakesh4545> what happened?
[18:04] <user|abcdef> i don't know how to downgrade this package
[18:06] <user|abcdef> with konsole?
[18:13] <rakesh4545> "sudo apt-get remove packagekit" then "sudo sudo apt-get install packagekit=1.1.9-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>". I must warn you that these actions could break something. At least I am telling you these commands only after testing it on my own system, so be assured.
[18:13] <user|abcdef> don't worry this is an old pc :)
[18:14] <user|abcdef> ok let's do this
[18:17] <user|abcdef> the first command runned successfully but the second returns: version 1.1.9-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> for "packagekit" not found
[18:18] <user|abcdef> oh guys i remember now that i have to go so i will try tomorrow to resolve thi issue
[18:19] <user|abcdef> thanks for all of members to helping me
[18:19] <user|abcdef> goodbye!
 Hi! Have any of you used a micro SD card on Kubuntu? Does it work or do  need a special program? Thanks!
[19:12] <fnxe_> #debian-gis
[21:57] <adrian__> hey


[09:48] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: Replace obsolete 'Both' setting for org.xfce.mousepad.state.search @ https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/6cd4c2a7e1dfbd5549bb705a058c99962dfb384e (by bluesabre)
[12:11] <msg75> qatracker- zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20210720/impish-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync
[12:12] <msg75> well, no : Xubuntu Desktop amd64 testcases in Impish Daily
[12:15] <msg75> The test case for today's daily shows that I have completed the "live session" tests. I expected that this would be fresh start. Is the live session for this image to be repeated or ignored


[12:33] <BluesKaj_> 'Morning all and a Happy New Year!
[12:35] <penguin42> excuse me, there's another 11.5 hours of this year left!
[12:36] <BluesKaj_> i won't be around then so i'm doing it now :)
[12:37] <penguin42> ah well then; in that case Happy New Year
[12:37] <BluesKaj_> thanks


[00:59] <tacorwin1> could anyone help me connect to a branch on launchpad using the windows version od Bazaar?
[12:23] <karlis> Hi there. Can anyone please help me figure out what be the best layout for our branches. We want to be hooked in to our bzr server and also publish our work on Launchpad. We have a small 2 developer team.
[12:25] <karlis> At first I figured we could just commit everything to our server then let Launchpad mirror our code, but that didn't work out since we have a bzr+shh setup.
[12:27] <LeoNerd> I bzr+ssh to my server, which also has an HTTP server pointed at it. LP only needs to read, so HTTP is fine for that
[12:31] <karlis> I see thanks. Now i just need to figure out the layout
[12:35] <LeoNerd> Layout?
[12:37] <karlis> Something like explained here
[12:37] <karlis> http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/bzr.2.0/en/user-guide/shared_repository_layouts.html#nested-style-project-branch-sub-branch
[12:38] <karlis> I'm new to VCS
[12:39] <karlis> Right now we use a centralised approach where me and my colleague checkout and commit to the same branch
[12:44] <karlis> I envisioned a trunk, dev branch and releases. Seems a lot of devs are going for a layout where series are major releases and milestones represend sub-versions.
[12:54] <karlis> Would it be adequate to tag a revision and upload that as a milestone or a release?
[12:57] <jelmer> karlis: sure
[12:58] <karlis> Okay, it seems its starting to click together slowly
[13:10] <karlis> Lets say i go for something like here: http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/bzr.2.0/en/user-guide/shared_repository_layouts.html#sorted-by-status-dev-merged-experimental
[13:11] <karlis> And i have a trunk, releases, merged, dev folders. How do i go about them not being part of the of the main branch?
[13:12] <karlis> I tried bzr init-repo --no-trees, but then all branches say they have no working directory and don't work until i make a checkout.
[13:12] <karlis> Is that a feature or a limitation. I don't get whats the use for it, besides the combined history
[13:50] <karlis> LeoNerd: Sorry for the long pose on the subject. But what do you mean by HTTP server pointing at it? Would i have to setup our sever to redirect to the bzr URI?
[13:51] <karlis> I'm not an admin so I'm not entirely sure what to look for
[14:13] <LeoNerd> ?
[14:13] <LeoNerd> HTTP servers just serve the contents of a filesystem. A bzr repo is a filesystem
[14:13] <LeoNerd> That's sufficient
[14:13] <LeoNerd> Mine is here  => http://bazaar.leonerd.org.uk/
[14:22] <karlis> Cool domain name ;)
[14:23] <karlis> So they are leading to the .bzr folders. That is all launchpad needs?
[14:58] <jelmer> karlis: yeah, that should be sufficient
[15:00] <karlis> Thank you both :)
[16:00] <m_tadeu> hi...how can I get the last tag string?


[22:44] <ash30> Hi. Is this a proper place to discuss a hardware recognition problem in a laptop on 9.10?
[22:45] <ash30> So cool and quiet... Anybody alive here?


[02:34] <NCommander> lamont, so for that test box?
[04:59] <lamont> NCommander: gah
[05:00] <lamont> NCommander: I'll grab a serial cable and bring a 32-bit box to the office with me tomorrow.
[05:00] <lamont> that'll hurt enough to make me do something
[05:00] <NCommander> lamont, you could just victimize the porting box :-P
[05:16] <lamont> prolly not
[14:46] <jbailey> NCommander, Am now.
[14:46] <jbailey> NCommander, Generally I'm around during business hours Eastern time.
[21:58]  * NCommander pokes lamont
[21:59] <NCommander> jbailey, I dunno if its too late today to catch you, but I have a passport again, so if you can get me in touch with andrewks so I can retrieve the space heater :-)?
[22:00] <lamont> spaceheater win
[22:01] <jbailey> NCommander, I pinged him on jabber.
[22:01] <NCommander> lamont, well, if I can get it, then we have a second user for Ubuntu/ia64 ;-)
[22:02] <NCommander> lamont, anyway, did you resurrect your HPPA box?
[23:32] <lamont> NCommander: um.. how would your ppa have hppa kernel bits in it?
[23:32]  * lamont iz confused
[23:32] <lamont> s/hppa/ia64/


[07:43] <jphilips> bluesabre: might be easier for translators if 'Search a Directory' was maintained rather than changing it to 'Search a Folder' in this commit https://gitlab.xfce.org/apps/catfish/-/commit/1a884d86a456e37939caa30625545afd3a91a303
[09:50] <bluesabre> it looks like the xubuntu daily iso hasn't built for the last 2 days. Unit193, any ideas on that?


[13:23] <mgariepy> good morning everyone
[14:45] <highvoltage> moo
[15:30] <highvoltage> mhall119: this is kind of interesting don't you think? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/01/unity-update-new-features-options
[17:41] <mhall119> someone said something to highlight me, but I lost power during a storm and didn't see the message
[17:41] <mhall119> highvoltage: was it you?
[17:41] <mgariepy> highvoltage> mhall119: this is kind of interesting don't you think? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/01/unity-update-new-features-options
[17:42] <mgariepy> at 10h30 this mornign
[17:42] <mgariepy> morning*
[17:43] <highvoltage> that was it, yes
[17:44] <mhall119> um, I guess it's interesting, does is impact Qimo or Edubuntu?
[17:45] <highvoltage> mhall119: not directly, it's yet another way to launch things, it could have some potential
[17:45] <highvoltage> mhall119: but otherwise safe to ignore if you don't care about it
[17:46] <mhall119> oh, you mean unity in general?
[17:46] <mhall119> I thought you meant the specific changes they were talking about in that article
[17:47] <mhall119> like backlit icons and scrolling on indicators
[17:48] <highvoltage> mhall119: actually, I misread a part of that article and relied too much on the screenshots, just ignore everything I said so far today, let's start over :)
[17:49] <mhall119> well, I lost the history of everything you've said previous to now, so that's easy enough :)
[17:49] <highvoltage> heh
[19:56] <highvoltage> where's that map of greek schools again? I also remember that dinda implemented a more wide-spread map but I've lost the link to that
[20:12] <dinda> http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=215531664534903206889.00048f483fea952f1eaf0&t=h&z=3
[20:29] <highvoltage> thanks dinda
[21:13] <ddunn> hello anyone there?
[21:30] <ddunn> can anyone see me or i need to enable something ?
[21:30] <ddunn> /hello
[21:31] <alkisg> Hi
[21:31] <alkisg> We can see you
[21:31] <ddunn> oh thanks
[21:32] <ddunn> recently my printing died on the clients ubuntu 9.10
[21:32] <ddunn> it was working fine for months
[21:32] <ddunn> network printing works fine but not local
[21:32] <ddunn> I'm hoping someone might a have a hint
[21:33] <ddunn> LTSP is not new to me but I'm dead ended with this issue
[21:34] <ddunn> must be something with lp_Server or jetpipe
[21:37] <ddunn> a busted log entry = /printers/DDLaser HTTP/1.1" 200 152936 Print-Job successful-ok
[21:38] <alkisg> For ltsp issues, you can also try in the #ltsp channel, it usually has more people there that know about ltsp
[21:38] <ddunn> working entry /printers/HP-LaserJet-M3035-MFP HTTP/1.1" 200 396 Create-Job successful-ok
[21:38] <ddunn> yeah been trying for a few days no response
[21:39] <ddunn> well at least I know I can be seen


[08:47] <yurchor> Hi! Does anybody know what is the status of Blender translation on LP (https://translations.launchpad.net/blender ). There are no LP marks in Blender 2.62 translations. Are the LP translations used by upstream?
[10:34] <kelemengabor> dpm: hi, looks like ubuntu-desktop (and language-selector) now depends on im-switch, should I reopen bug #612499, or file a new one?
[10:34] <dpm> hi elky, would it be possible to remove twobottux from the channel? Thanks!
[10:34] <dpm> hi kelemengabor, looking...
[10:38] <dpm> kelemengabor, hm, that's a bit of a mess. The im-switch contacted me a while ago to migrate to im-config in Ubuntu. I got him in touch with pitti and pointed him to how to do the migration, but it seems he's not really pushed for it. Feel free to reopen the bug with a comment.
[10:39] <elky> dpm, you can do the actions, i'm not on the access list for here. /msg chanserv op #ubuntu-translators dpm
[10:39] <dpm> elky, how can I do it?
[10:41] <elky> dpm, first: /msg chanserv op #ubuntu-translators dpm
[10:42] <dpm> ok, I believe I've done that
[10:43] <dpm> but didn't see any visible effect
[10:43] <elky> hrm. I'll go find a freenode staffer
[10:45] <elky> Myrtti, twobottux is no longer required. dpm's access list entry looks mangled
[10:45] <dpm> thanks elky
[10:45] <Myrtti> I see where the problem is
[10:45] <elky> well, not only looks, he tried to op and cant
[10:46] <elky> there's no * before "dpm" in the ident
[10:46] <Myrtti> you've been granted access flags by hostmask, not nickserv account
[10:46] <Myrtti> and it's been done when you've run your client on a system with identd
[10:46] <elky> that too
[10:47] <elky> Myrtti, for now the most important thing is to get twobottux out so it doesn't spam.
[10:49] <elky> dpm, can you try the same command as before? it should work now
[10:50] <dpm> it seems to be doing the same. All I got is the following line on my client:
[10:50] <dpm> >chanserv< op #ubuntu-translators dpm
[10:50] <dpm> (I'm using xchat-gnome)
[10:51] <elky> Myrtti, :(
[10:52] <elky> we just need someone to be op to do /mode +b twobottux!*@*
[10:52] <Myrtti> elky: new staffdom poses some delay too :-| never done this kind of stuff before and freenode staff isn't on the access list so can't help there much either
[10:54] <elky> yeah, after this i'll get the ircc to get themselves added to the list to make future requests more responsive
[10:55] <elky> dpm hasn't exactly done much op stuff before, so it's all new to him, and i think most of the others on the access list have moved on
[10:58] <dpm> yeah, I can confirm that. I can't remember who the previous op was, but he definitely moved on. At the time he chose not to give me op status, and I haven't need it until now, but anything that would make future changes more agile would be great. Thanks!
[11:00] <elky> dpm, thanks for being patient with us. it's just one of those things where you don't know there's a hole until it rains ;)
[11:00] <dpm> elky, no worries, I really appreciate your help :)
[11:02] <sagaci> dpm, just a side question, do you use xchat-gnome since the translations are actually used?
[11:03] <dpm> hi sagaci, I'm not sure I understand the question. I've used xchat-gnome for ages, and afaik, it's always been translated
[11:03] <dpm> especially as I was the upstream translator :)
[11:03] <sagaci> yeah, I just mean in contrast to the usual xchat, which doesn't display upstream translations
[11:13] <dpm> sagaci, ah, I didn't know xchat didn't load translations. Is this a known bug?
[11:13] <sagaci> I think I've reported it
[11:13] <sagaci> I'll check
[11:14] <dpm> ok
[11:15] <dpm> in any case, now that I understand the question, the answer is because I find xchat-gnome to be nicer, to integrate better in the desktop, and while we don't include an irc client by default, it's the recommended one
[11:15] <Myrtti> I don't know who recommends it - I'm pretty sure no hardcore IRC user does ;-P atleast that was the general consensus few years ago
[11:15] <sagaci> yep, I prefer xchat but it's an annoying bug to not have it show translations
[11:16] <sagaci> GUI IRC clients
[11:20] <dpm> Myrtti, the idea was not to recommend it to hardcore users, who will probably use irssi or will be able to make their own choice. But rather to recommend it to regular users, to which xchat-gnome was more friendly in terms of usability. There was never an official recommendation, rather we tended to recommend it when running Ubuntu Open Week and such events, although nowadays we probably recommend webchat or Lernid (when it used to work :)
[11:20] <AlanBell> hi dpm, I am on the IRC Council and Myrtti has asked me to help with sorting a few things here
[11:20] <sagaci> dpm, I thought I filed it but not showing results
[11:20] <sagaci> I'll file it
[11:23] <kelemengabor> sagaci: xchat shows up translated for me, and it ever did
[11:23] <sagaci> en_AU isn't
[11:23] <kelemengabor> maybe your translation is not in the upstream release yet, but this is no surprise given that the upstream project is pretty much dead
[11:23] <elky> AlanBell, it's likely that it's run off a machine that someone else connects from, the ban isn't necessary now that the bot won't join
[11:24] <elky> at least it shouldn't re-join, a nick ban would be enough if it does
[11:24] <elky> and thanks :)
[11:24] <elky> dpm, all done :)
[11:25] <sagaci> kelemengabor, so there's no real fix?
[11:25] <kelemengabor> well... I can't think of one, sorry :\
[11:27] <dpm> thanks elky, Myrtti and AlanBell :)
[11:28] <elky> dpm, things should be easier for the next time now too. you're welcome :)
[11:28] <Myrtti> that makes me happy
[11:28] <dpm> cool :)
[11:28] <Myrtti> seeing freenode staff mask on the access list is always a relief on sore eyes
[11:29] <elky> hehe yeah, it helps lots
[11:30] <Myrtti> since my work here is done, time to close some excess irssi windows
[11:30] <elky> and with that, i bid you all goodnight
[11:30] <Myrtti> until next time...
[18:36] <Mirv> pretty happy with the results of my translation salvaging work
[19:29] <artnay> Mirv: job well done


[01:57] <xubuntu77i> hi
[01:57] <xubuntu77i> installing xubuntu here
[02:00] <xubuntu77i> need to restart byeee
[04:07] <Vatum> how can i cycle between windows of the same app?
[04:08] <Vatum> something like alt-tab but only for this application
[04:15] <Bashing-om> Vatum: ctl+alt+arrow ??
[04:17] <Vatum> this cycles workspaces
[08:16] <ubone> what means "xubuntu end of support"
[08:17] <ubone> apt won't work or won't answer question for eol version?
[08:24] <well_laid_lawn> !eol
[08:25] <well_laid_lawn> ubone:    ↑
[08:54] <ubone> doesnt really answer the question
[09:33] <well_laid_lawn> ubone: did you read the links from ubottu ?
[12:08] <ubone> i know what eol is
[12:08] <ubone> idk what xubuntu eol is
[12:31] <gnrp> ubone: What version are you using where you reached end of support?
[12:39] <ubone> 1804
[12:41] <gnrp> ubone: Check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOL
[12:41] <gnrp> you can see that Ubuntu is supported till April 2023, Xubuntu only April 2021
[12:41] <gnrp> that means, the base packages still have support. But everything that is built by xubuntu (all the xfce packages) will run out of support in three months
[13:29] <ubone> they xfce packages aren't made by ubuntu?
[15:15] <gnrp> ubone: No, that's why it is xubuntu ;)
[15:17] <gnrp> wait, no, am I telling bs?
[15:17] <gnrp> hopefully somebody will correct me
[15:18] <gnrp> but have a look e.g. at the output of `apt show xfce4` vs. `apt show ubuntu-standard`; the former will have the original maintainer set to xubuntu
[15:27] <Maik> xubuntu 18.04 is supported until April 2021 after that users are adviced to upgrade to a newer version
[15:27] <ubone> cant do that
[15:27] <ubone> it's 32bit
[15:28] <diogenes_> ubone, then Debian.
[15:28] <ubone> never
[15:28] <Maik> xfce isn't made by ubuntu but the devs and maintainers use Xubuntu afaik. The xfce packages are then build and packaged for xubuntu/ubuntu
[15:29] <Maik> ubone: then you're out of luck if it's a 32 bit machine
[15:30] <Maik> what does lscpu tell you?
[15:30] <ubone> it's not with me atm
[15:30] <Maik> if it shows CPU op-mode(s):   32-bit, 64-bit then you are able to run 64bit too
[15:30] <Maik> sure
[15:31] <ubone> so what you're saying is xfce on ubuntu is not made by ubuntu but xubuntu who are the xfce devs themselves?
[15:31] <ubone> . . .
[15:31] <ubone> i know it's 32
[15:31] <Maik> just make sure
[15:32] <Maik> how old is the computer?
[15:32] <ubone> you're just pulling my leg aren't you
[15:32] <Maik> uhm, no
[15:32] <ubone> old enough to drink
[15:32] <Maik> ok, if you're not willing to answer a normal question then have a nice day
[15:34] <ubone> i think i asked a simple question, what means xubuntu eol if the packages come from ubuntu (afaik)
[15:34] <Maik> EOL means End Of Life so Xubuntu 18.04 nwil go EOL in April
[15:35] <Maik> nwil/will
[15:35] <ubone> ok but what does that mean, apt stops working, no forum question answering?
[15:35] <Maik> no more support
[15:36] <ubone>  :D
[15:37] <Maik> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOL
[15:37] <Maik> hope that's enough info for you
[15:37] <ubone> ty
[15:38] <Maik> yw
[19:11] <xu-irc64w> hi every one
[19:12] <xu-irc64w> i would install windozs for my brother and i'm using xubuntu, i dont know how to set up a bootable usb
[19:13] <xu-irc64w> windows**
[19:15] <diogenes_> xu-irc64w, you have to install win first and Xub second.
[19:16] <xu-irc64w> there is 2 pcs
[19:16] <xu-irc64w> the first runs xubuntu
[19:17] <xu-irc64w> i would create a bootable usb to install windows in the second
[19:18] <xu-irc64w> i've tried whith the woeusb command but its failur
[19:20] <diablo> peas and love everyone !
[19:21] <Maik> diablo: use a windows pc to create a bootable usb stick with windows on it if woeusb doesn't work
[19:22] <diogenes_> diablo, just format a fat32 usb drive, set the boot flag, mount win iso and copy it's content into the usb.
[19:22] <Maik> already gone ... sigh
[19:22] <Maik> just another clown i guess
[19:22] <diogenes_> )
[22:28] <jolo61> Hello. why is the md5sum so difficult to find?
[22:29] <gnrp> jolo61: In what sense, difficult to find?
[22:29] <jolo61> for xubuntu.iso. it is noweher
[22:29] <jolo61> nowhere on the official website
[22:30] <jolo61> most distros simply list the md5sum on the download page
[22:37] <jolo61> I did a web search and it seems people have had this problem for a long time
[22:38] <gnrp> when you click on any mirror, you can directly download the data?
[22:38] <jolo61> I used a torrent but I assume the mirrors work as well
[22:39] <gnrp> sorry, not md5, but sha256
[22:39] <gnrp> I mean, when you click on a mirror, you will directly see the download link for the sha256sum file
[22:39] <raccoon_dog> jolo61: Does it have to be md5sum? Because the sha256 ones are available here, for instance: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/20.04.1/release/
[22:40] <jolo61> thank you


[01:36] <jaysonl> Hi all.  Wondering what else I have to do besides removing the usual "-nolisten TCP" bit I need to do in order to get X to listen on port 6000...
[01:40] <jaysonl> I'd fall back to Ubuntu 14.10, but there are some strange graphical glitches on my machine (Intel NUC5i5RYH) that make the graphical installer impossible to use... and I *really* don't want to use Fedora...
[01:42] <jaysonl> I play around with some embedded Linux systems that take a high toll from the overhead of forwarding X11 over SSH, so I was really hoping someone would be able to point me in the right direction in order to get the X server to behave like... an X server
[01:44] <jaysonl> I'll be 'idling' here until the next time I reboot said machine, so if anyone sees this and offers some insight, I'd be ever so thankful. :)
[01:47] <jaysonl> Additional information: Yes, I've disabled -nolisten TCP (X command line reads: /usr/bin/X :0 -seat seat0 -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 vt7 -novtswitch) and disabled apparmor... X is literally not even listening on port 6000 (nor is anything else).
[01:49] <penguin42> jaysonl: You checked that on ss/netstat ?
[01:49] <jaysonl> penguin42: I've checked that with netstat -l as well as lsof -i
[01:50] <jaysonl> as well as plain 'ol "telnet localhost 6000"
[01:50] <jaysonl> also, "iptables -v -L" shows no rules, policy ACCEPT
[01:51] <penguin42> fun
[04:37]  * jaysonl returns from dinner
[04:38] <jaysonl> Hi all.  Wondering what else I have to do besides removing the usual "-nolisten TCP" bit I need to do in order to get X to listen on port 6000...
[08:57] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:15] <igalic> linux: https://gist.github.com/igalic/20a76de06b13550ea13a :(
[13:58] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:59] <penguin42> Hey BK
[13:59] <BluesKaj> hi penguin42
[15:12] <a1fa> damn.. the latest update broke something with sound
[15:13] <a1fa> the audio source auto select no longer works. i have no inputs connected
[15:13] <a1fa> and when i connect my usb headphones, the sound does not get switched over to them
[15:13] <a1fa> you have to manually switch the sound over
[15:18] <a1fa> brb
[15:21] <a1fa> ok, the sound works fine in unity, but not in latest xfce
[15:25] <a1fa> xfce4-session_4.12.1-1ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[15:25] <a1fa> i think this is what broke i
[15:27] <lisak> hey, I heard that Chef was to be part of ubuntu 15.04, is it already? I mean if I install the current pre-release version, will Chef be available there ?
[15:29] <lisak> I can't really find any sign of Chef supporting 15.04 already apart from this information
[15:38] <maxb> Well
[15:39] <maxb> !info chef vivid
[15:39] <maxb> but on the other hand
[15:39] <maxb> !info chef lucid
[15:40] <maxb> So there's been _a_ version of Chef in Ubuntu for years.
[16:02] <psusi> anyone know why the daily iso hasn't been updated since march 26th?
[16:04] <penguin42> is it because it hit alpha/beta etc?
[16:05] <penguin42> ah, march 26 is final beta
[16:06] <k1l> i am not sure if there are dailies after last beta
[16:08] <psusi> of course there are... they just seem to not be getting promoted from testing to current
[19:08] <KDDA> anyone know why systemd is extending the boot time and if its possible to speed things up?
[19:09] <penguin42> KDDA: You can use systemd-analyse to figure out what's taking the time
[19:09] <penguin42> oops, analyze
[19:11] <MoonUnit`> i disabled NetworkManager-wait-online.service always took 8 seconds on my desktop.
[19:11] <penguin42> yeh I've heard a few people complain about that one
[19:12] <KDDA> exim4.service took 30 seconds
[19:13] <KDDA> network manager took 10
[19:14] <penguin42> KDDA: That sounds like the exim timed out waiting for something
[19:14] <penguin42> KDDA: I wonder if you're missing a dependency there so that the network or dns or something is up before exim
[19:14] <KDDA> its a desktop, why would I need MTA?
[19:15] <penguin42> oh, I'd assumed you'd installed that on purpose
[19:15] <KDDA> nope!
[19:15] <penguin42> nuke it then
[19:15] <KDDA> unless its part of Kontact?
[19:17] <MoonUnit`> i don't have it installed so can't be a dependacy
[19:17] <KDDA> removing now
[19:17] <KDDA> will try a reboot
[19:20] <KDDA> knocked a few seconds off
[19:21] <KDDA> now network manager is taking 20seconds!
[19:21] <KDDA> MoonUnit`: how do you disable network manager?
[19:22] <MoonUnit`> sudo systemctl disable NetworkManager-wait-online.service
[19:24] <KDDA> ok, will try another reboot
[19:26] <KDDA> much better!
[19:27] <KDDA> Startup finished in 3.192s (kernel) + 7.053s (userspace) = 10.246s
[19:28] <MoonUnit`> that's better than mine.
[19:28] <MoonUnit`> Startup finished in 8.004s (kernel) + 4.560s (userspace) = 12.565s
[19:30] <MoonUnit`> probably a few services i could disable, ModemManager perhaps.
[19:30] <MoonUnit`> lirc.service also,  only installed it for irexec
[19:34] <KDDA> thanks for the help penguin42 and MoonUnit`
[19:34] <MoonUnit`> np
[19:34] <KDDA> modem manager is complaining on my machine
[19:35] <KDDA> I dont use a modem, so that could be disabled
[20:00] <Anonymauz> Hello! I am using kubuntu 15.04, i have en and ru keyboard layouts. When i switch to another window or press Enter in browser text edit field - my layout switches to default(en_US). I have "Global switching policy" in keyboard settings. What's wrong with it?
[20:08] <MoonUnit`> disabled the modemmanager, didn't cause any problems
[20:09] <MoonUnit`> only knocked  off 0.200s though hehe
[20:09] <KDDA> might also make your system log bit smaller!
[20:10] <lordievader> :P
[20:10] <KDDA> MoonUnit`: what kernel you using?
[20:10] <MoonUnit`> 4.0-rc7
[20:11] <Anonymauz> Hello! I am using kubuntu 15.04, i have en and ru keyboard layouts. When i switch to another window or press Enter in browser text edit field - my layout switches to default(en_US). I have "Global switching policy" in keyboard settings. What's wrong with it?
[20:11] <Anonymauz> btw, when i double-click window, layout changes to default(en_US) too
[20:11] <Anonymauz> any ideas?
[20:11] <KDDA> Anonymauz: try #kubuntu-dev
[20:11] <Anonymauz> wtf..
[20:12] <KDDA> sorry #kubuntu-devel
[20:17] <MoonUnit`> closest bug similar i could find is this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/1440431


[07:55] <ricotz> cjwatson, hi :), I am hoping you are already around -- https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/658842
[08:09] <ricotz> with ca-certificates-java been fixed, please retry https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ubuntu/rust-updates/+build/13512402
[21:32] <ricotz> wgrant, hi
[21:52] <ricotz> wgrant, please take a look at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/658842


[10:09] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[12:09] <diddledan> popey: does this kind of thing pee you off as much as it does me? (the repeated unsubstantiated claims that "our phones are abandoned") https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg23540.html
[12:36] <diddledan> good read: http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/style/2017/02/16/how-weird-al-eclipsed-almost-every-star-he-ever-parodied/
[12:39] <zmoylan-pi> how much of that is down to just outlasting them all?
[12:50] <popey> diddledan: they have a point
[15:32] <ali1234> i was thinking the other day
[15:32] <ali1234> what if ubuntu edge got funded, and 2.5 years after delivery the OS was in the state it is now
[15:33] <ali1234> how much do you think people would be complaining then?
[15:34] <ali1234> at least the ubuntu phones that did get released were relatively inexpensive
[16:04] <SuperMatt> an interesting thought
[16:05] <SuperMatt> I think that maybe the boost of income from the edge may have pushed the development a little harder
[16:14] <popey> Maybe.
[16:15] <popey> Maybe that would have spurred us to hire more people
[16:15] <popey> Maybe not. No way to tell.
[16:20] <foobarry> i read that 99.6%of phones are androidios
[16:20] <SuperMatt> they're android or ios, indeed
[16:20] <SuperMatt> gonna be quite difficult breaking in to that market now
[17:07] <directhex> if microsoft can't crack the smartphone market, i don't see canonical doing it
[17:31] <ali1234> to be fair microsoft are notoriously bad at entering new markets
[17:31] <ali1234> they'll try and fail for years, then apple does it first try
[17:31] <ali1234> or sometimes the second try
[18:58] <zmoylan-pi> you have to hand it to microsoft though, if you don't they'll send someone around to sue you for it... :-P
[20:58] <SuperEngineer>  https://www.humblebundle.com/gift?key=hm4wk76Nv5bc62sN  [Steam link for gifted The Stanley Parable if wanted].  If used, please donate to Humble Bundle recipipients.