[08:42] <ron__> ?
[08:44] <ron__> i want to CHANGE TO HEBREW
[08:50] <ron__> I WANT TO CHANe to hebrew, how i do it?
[18:35] <Egbert9e9> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7htQgmOYCs
[18:35] <Egbert9e9> err


[00:13] <ubotu> New bug: #203637 in xorg (main) "X crashed during update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203637
[01:59] <bryce> tjaalton: I've got a new version of the greedy patch for testing
[02:16] <bryce> (attached to bug 177492)
[02:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177492 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "EXA is balls-achingly slow" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177492
[05:31] <tjaalton> bryce: cool, is it post-beta material?
[05:33] <bryyce> yeah
[05:33] <bryyce> the greedy patch needs ample testing
[10:01] <Ng> did our gutsy X server carry extra patches for handling funky laptop keys?
[10:01] <Ng> acpid is calling acpi_fakekey for the blue button on my thinkpad, but xev doesn't see anything
[10:01] <Ng> this hasn't worked since gutsy, so I'm wondering if a patch has been dropped or something
[10:20] <ubotu> New bug: #193563 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "compiz freezes desktop completely (backtrace included)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193563
[10:55] <ubotu> New bug: #203862 in xserver-xorg-driver-sis "SiS 716 only works with vesa and 800x600 in Hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203862
[18:10] <ubotu> New bug: #148274 in xserver-xorg-video-nv (main) "Nvidia new-glx problem with Gutsy  twin monitor" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148274
[19:03] <qense> hello
[19:03] <qense> I've got a question about bug  bug 192508, which I've been triaging
[19:04] <qense> bug 192508
[19:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192508 in xorg "mouse keys turns on randomly" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192508
[19:04] <qense> I think the best option would be to ask for xorg.conf and forward it to X's bug tracker
[19:04] <qense> do you agree?
[19:19] <qense> anyone?
[19:24] <bryce> qense: the xorg.conf couldn't hurt, but is unlikely to have information that would explain why it's occurring
[19:24] <qense> ok
[19:25] <qense> I'll just ask for that file and forward it upstream and we'll see what X is going to do with it
[19:25] <bryce> Pedro said that upstream thinks it's an X issue - a more detailed explanation of why they think that would be helpful
[19:25] <bryce> also ask for Xorg.0.log, as that has a lot more useful info for troubleshooting
[19:26] <qense> ok
[19:28] <bryce> I think I agree it sounds like an XKB issue, which suggests we need to know which xkb config the users are using
[19:28] <bryce> presumably there is an error in some config file in /etc/X11/xkb/rules/ or something
[19:28] <bryce> if we know which of the maps they're using, we could look to see if there was a change to that for gutsy.
[19:30] <qense> but that directory has a lot of files :)
[19:31] <ubotu> New bug: #204019 in xorg-server (main) "Xorg crashed with SIGSEGV in free() (dup-of: 195767)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204019
[19:31] <qense> which files do you think are needed?
[19:32] <bryce> the way it works, is X selects one of those files to use as the keymap, so we just need to know which one is selected (this gets reported in Xorg.0.log), so having the Xorg.0.log should be sufficient for first order debugging
[19:33] <bryce> if you look in your Xorg.0.log, you can see lines with "XkbRules", "XkbModel", etc.
[19:33] <qense> ok, thanks
[19:33] <qense> do you think the version of xkb-data will help?
[19:34] <bryce> yes it almost certainly will
[19:34] <bryce> we can make the assumption that if they run gutsy, they have the current gutsy version installed, but verifying that would be of good use
[19:35] <qense> he's running hardy :)
[19:35] <qense> ok, thank you for your help
[19:35] <bryce> well, one is using hardy, the other gutsy.  but yeah verifying the version in both cases would be useful
[19:41] <qense> anyway,  I go, bye
[20:20] <ubotu> New bug: #204035 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "945GM: server crashes with "Fatal server error: lockup"" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204035
[21:35] <ubotu> New bug: #204055 in xserver-xorg-video-openchrome (main) "X11 fails on VIA  UniChrome Pro IGP" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204055
[22:22] <ubotu> New bug: #118458 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Acer Aspire 1510LMi won't go to sleep or hibernate" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118458
[22:29] <ubotu> New bug: #203701 in xkeyboard-config (main) "Dell Keyboard misspelling" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203701
[22:34] <ubotu> New bug: #181531 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "Toshiba Tecra M8 has a short gnome panel on Gutsy" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181531
[23:20] <ubotu> New bug: #203936 in xorg (main) "Intel Santa Rosa - No Video, could not configure X, cannot start GDM" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203936


[00:07] <penguin42> ff3.5 seems to have got flaky with flash in the last week
[00:08] <BUGabundo> a new flash came out
[00:08] <BUGabundo> I think it broke my sound :(
[00:09] <kklimonda> :D
[00:09] <penguin42> flash+pulse always seem touchy - I find as long as I have pulse stopped and then load flash it plays the audio
[00:09] <kklimonda> the only problem I had with flash and pulse was when I was using 32bit flash on 64bit ubuntu via nspluginwrapper
[00:09] <BUGabundo> nope, it works...
[00:10] <penguin42> kklimonda: I still do that - has 64bit started working solidly? I'm finding ff is crashing - I used to only have th eproblem with flash itself stopping working
[00:11] <kklimonda> penguin42: It worked fine for me for the last few months
[00:11] <kklimonda> I'm now back to 32bit Ubuntu though
[00:11] <BUGabundo> why kklimonda?
[00:12] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: as I said earlier I've downloaded an ubuntu install cd at 3 am ;)
[00:12] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: but as It works just fine I see no reason to switch back to 64bit
[00:12] <kklimonda> the only reason I've used it was to get all my 4GB of ram but now -pae kernel takes care of that
[00:12] <BUGabundo> aahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahaahah
[00:13] <penguin42> kklimonda: above 3GB it can hurt perf on 32bit
[00:13] <BUGabundo> stupided argument EVER
[00:13] <BUGabundo> :)
[00:13] <kklimonda> penguin42: it can but as long as I don't see any good data on that and don't feel it myself I don't care ;)
[00:14] <BUGabundo> you soon will
[00:14] <BUGabundo> :)
[00:14] <DrHalan2> does anyone else have a laggy gnash? i think it's either related to pulseaudio or to AMD64
[00:15] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: you think? ;)
[00:15] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, well?
[00:15] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: I pasted it for you !
[00:16] <bjsnider> missed it
[00:16] <bjsnider> what's gnash?
[00:17] <loonyphoenix> gnash is a free reimplementation of flash player:)
[00:17]  * arand bjsnider < shuuun! :P
[00:17] <loonyphoenix> btw, can it play youtube yet?
[00:17] <alteregoa> it plays
[00:17] <BUGabundo> (11:32:40 PM) freenode: bjsnider:  make
[00:17] <BUGabundo> (11:32:40 PM) freenode: g++ -O3 -g   -c -o vdpinfo.o vdpinfo.cpp
[00:17] <BUGabundo> (11:32:40 PM) freenode: In file included from vdpinfo.cpp:37:
[00:17] <BUGabundo> (11:32:40 PM) freenode: /usr/include/vdpau/vdpau_x11.h:44:22: error: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or
[00:18] <bjsnider> an inferior reimplementation of flash
[00:18] <DrHalan2> yeah but the vids lag a little from time to time
[00:18] <DrHalan2> and im wondering wheter it's releated to pulseaudio
[00:18] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, yeah but after you installed the dependencies
[00:19] <BUGabundo> oh right
[00:19] <BUGabundo> nvm me... its pass my bed time
[00:19] <BUGabundo> well now MAKE did it
[00:19] <arand> gnash has, from my experience, and sadly, always been flaky...
[00:19] <alteregoa> yeah, flash is inferior
[00:19] <BUGabundo> now what do I do with this bjsnider?
[00:19] <alteregoa> a proprietary virus
[00:19] <BUGabundo> now executable, no make install
[00:19] <bjsnider> run the script and pastebin the results
[00:19] <Leftmost> gnash is still undergoing a lot of development. It's not that useful yet, but if enough people work on it, it may be at some point.
[00:20] <DanaG> Flash is a pain.
[00:20] <alteregoa> aptcheck.py is fail
[00:20] <DanaG> I keep the nspluginwrapp'd version so I can kill Flash on a whim.
[00:20] <DanaG> killall -9 npviewer.bin
[00:20] <DanaG> =þ
[00:20] <kklimonda> I think we'll see a twilight of flashe before it happens Leftmost ;)
[00:21] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: $ ls | pastebinit  http://paste.ubuntu.com/244913/
[00:21] <bjsnider> flash, for lack of a better word, is good. flash is right. flash works.
[00:21] <BUGabundo> what script??
[00:21] <BUGabundo> the python one?
[00:21] <bjsnider> vdpinfo
[00:21] <DanaG> Flash hammers the CPU quite often, too.
[00:21] <bjsnider> run it out of the console and pastebin the results
[00:22] <Leftmost> bjsnider, the Linux implementation of Flash is buggy and not terribly responsive to current trends in Linux desktops. If there were a working open implementation, it'd be better.
[00:22] <billybigrigger> has rc5 come down the pipe for anyone yet?
[00:23] <DanaG> If I could, I'd nspluginwrap the 64-bit version of flash... to 64-bit.
[00:23] <BUGabundo> ohhh
[00:23] <bjsnider> not buggy for me
[00:23] <DanaG> I did the same for 32-bit, and Fedora does, too: nspluginwrapper 32-bit to 32-bit.
[00:23] <BUGabundo> I really should go to bed
[00:23] <DanaG> Prevents a Flash crash from taking down Firefox, most of the time.
[00:24] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: ./vdpinfo  display: :0.0   screen: 0 Error creating VDPAU device: 1
[00:24] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, why, is megan fox waiting for you there?
[00:24] <BUGabundo> no, but tommorow work is
[00:24] <Leftmost> That must be nice. But I figure a good free implementation is better than a good non-free implementation.
[00:26] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: ./vdpinfo  display: :0.0   screen: 0 Error creating VDPAU device: 1
[00:26] <bjsnider> tell stephen warren about this on the nvforums
[00:26] <arand> but what on html5? I'm not that into it but does it have potential to somewhat replace things currently based on flash?
[00:26] <bjsnider> but my guess would be you've got a broken graphics chip
[00:27] <bjsnider> arand, only if the videos of the future are ogg theora and not proprietary
[00:28] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: well no
[00:28] <BUGabundo> some browsers are going to support close codevs
[00:28] <BUGabundo> *codecs
[00:28] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, no what?
[00:28] <arand> bjsnider: one can always hope...
[00:28] <BUGabundo> fta just finish to set chromium on the PPA with non-free codecs option
[00:29] <bjsnider> they'd have to pay a royalty to someone to support proprietary codecs
[00:31]  * BUGabundo loves to be on 2G
[00:31] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: I'll give you fta messages
[00:31] <BUGabundo> ASAP opens
[00:32] <BUGabundo> http://identi.ca/notice/7429026 & http://identi.ca/notice/7428948
[00:33] <Laibsch> Can somebody help me understand why I can access a cheap NAS box I have with hardy smbclient, but not the karmic one? -> bug 407583
[00:33] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: any idea which one is going to be default when chromium goes into archive?
[00:34] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, how much ram have you given to the graphics chip?
[00:34] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: ask fta ;)
[00:34] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: aren't you like proxy identica<->irc ? ;)
[00:34] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: give wher? the bios has no option for the aberture size
[00:34] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: and pr0n<->greader? ;)
[00:35] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: #ubuntu-mozillateam ?
[00:35] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: just teasing you :P
[00:35] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, so how much is allocated to the chip?
[00:35] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: most prob free, with option to start non-free
[00:35] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: no idea
[00:36] <BUGabundo> it has 256 and see 512
[00:36] <BUGabundo> so I would say 256 ?
[00:36]  * BUGabundo runs sysinfo
[00:36] <bjsnider> 256 or 512?
[00:37] <kklimonda> I have 128 (and up to 512 using system memory) and can't watch movies when running compiz :/
[00:37] <kklimonda> I think I should test it out again now that I'm on karmic
[00:37] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: _system_ says GPU _has_ 512. but specs of the card say _256_
[00:39] <bjsnider> can you show me the exact model of that laptop online somewhere?
[00:39] <BUGabundo> humm
[00:41] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: best I could find http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_8400M.html
[00:41] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, is the file /usr/lib/libvdpau.so.185.18.31 on your system?
[00:41] <BUGabundo> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.9K 2009-08-01 00:53 /usr/lib/libvdpau.so.185.18.31
[00:41] <bjsnider> /usr/lib/libvdpau_trace.so.185.18.31
[00:42] <bjsnider> /usr/lib/libvdpau_nvidia.so.185.18.31
[00:42] <kklimonda> 18.31? there was an update to nvidia today?
[00:43] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: http://files.getdropbox.com/u/112892/report.txt
[00:43] <bjsnider> kklimonda, one or two days ago
[00:43] <BUGabundo> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 49K 2009-08-01 00:53 /usr/lib/libvdpau_trace.so.185.18.31
[00:43] <bjsnider> fixes crashes on some mobile chips
[00:43] <kklimonda> interesting
[00:43] <kklimonda> bjsnider: and what about hibernation? :/
[00:43] <bjsnider> no
[00:44] <BUGabundo> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.4M 2009-08-01 00:53 /usr/lib/libvdpau_nvidia.so.185.18.31
[00:45] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, can you check dmesg to make sure xinerama isn't being loaded?
[00:47] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: grep shows nothing
[00:48] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, you are actually using the nvidia driver right now, correct?
[00:49] <BUGabundo> yep
[00:49] <bjsnider> you're positive
[00:49] <BUGabundo> rebooted twive
[00:49] <bjsnider> you'd swear to it if your life depended on it
[00:49] <BUGabundo> let me check jockey
[00:49] <BUGabundo> I have Compiz
[00:49] <bjsnider> see if you can open nvidia-settings
[00:49] <BUGabundo> jockey show 180 disabled
[00:50] <BUGabundo> what makes sense, since I'm using 185
[00:50] <kklimonda> not really
[00:50] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: did I see the log I gave you ?
[00:50] <kklimonda> as 185 is packaged in glx-180
[00:50] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: it's a ppa nvidia driver
[00:50] <kklimonda> ach
[00:50] <BUGabundo> its not archive 180 pseudo 185
[00:50] <bjsnider> what log
[00:50] <BUGabundo> NVIDIA Driver Version 185.18.3
[00:51] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: don't you have higlith??
[00:51] <BUGabundo> (12:43:00 AM) freenode: bjsnider: http://files.getdropbox.com/u/112892/report.txt
[00:51] <bjsnider> good cpu
[00:51] <bjsnider> t8300
[00:52] <bjsnider> lots of ram
[00:52] <bjsnider> do you still haev windows on this thing?
[00:52] <BUGabundo> this laptop never seen Winwods
[00:52] <kklimonda> :)
[00:52] <BUGabundo> only Ubuntu and a livecd of openSuse
[00:53] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: yuck! ;)
[00:53] <bjsnider> well, you could have tested it with purevideo to see if something's wrong with the pv chip
[00:53] <BUGabundo> I was at ENOS kklimonda. won a 1,5mt TUX
[00:53] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: http://fileland.bugabundo.net/fotos/Linux/TUX
[00:54] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: how ?
[00:54] <bjsnider> in windows, install powerdvd and select the purevideo driver
[00:54] <bjsnider> pv and vdpau use the same chip
[00:54] <BUGabundo> I don't run windows!
[00:54] <bjsnider> right, but if you did that would be one way to test it
[00:54] <kklimonda> windows should have a livecd ;)
[00:55] <penguin42> I think there are some hacks
[00:55] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: it's a close source OS. why would I have to subject my self to that?
[00:55] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: there is a wind livecd out there
[00:55] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, is there any way you can get a replacement?
[00:55] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: because you are a bug triager :P
[00:56] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: I'll have to try, right?
[00:56] <bjsnider> yes you will
[00:56] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: does MSFT pay me ??
[00:56] <BUGabundo> :\
[00:56] <BUGabundo> ok. BED
[00:59]  * BUGabundo $ do_funny_stuff(sleep) ; $ echoes REM
[01:00] <kklimonda> bjsnider: is the fact that I can't play HD movies when running compiz a fault of my... less than good gpu? ;)
[01:15] <alteregoa> ubuntu is a african name
[01:16] <alteregoa> i watch African independent television, it rocks
[01:18] <syn-ack> s/name/word
[01:18] <syn-ack> And, yes, we're quite aware of the word and what it mean
[01:21] <bjsnider> kklimonda, what do you mean?
[01:21] <syn-ack> kklimonda, Dude, thats gotta suck.
[01:22] <syn-ack> oh well. /me goes back to watching his HD Movies. :P
[02:04] <oldude67> does vbox use your existing video driver or does it install a generic one? cause my intel video is fubarred again on the upgrade to the 2.6.31-4 kernel
[02:06] <oldude67> using onboard intel 915 video
[02:16] <RAOF> oldude67: vbox doesn't touch your video driver; if you're running inside virtualbox, it's emulates a gfx card for you.
[02:22] <scizzo-> Anyone else that has noticed a sort of delay or jump in sound or video in karmic?
[03:02] <legodude> I'm getting really awful performance as soon as I start copying files to a USB hard drive
[03:03] <legodude> whole system responsiveness just takes a dive to a pretty unusable state
[03:03] <legodude> and the copying operation is really slow
[03:12] <FloridaGuy> so far i only having 1 problem with 9.10 and that is gnome-games-data...installed but when i try to install something like xchat..gnome-games-data...giving me problems...it wont uninstall...so i had to open package manager and lock it
[03:13] <FloridaGuy> E: gnome-games-data: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[03:13] <bjsnider> what does xchat have to do with gnome-games-data?
[03:15] <coz_> bjsnider,  nothing
[03:15] <coz_> bjsnider,   why  are you getting errors
[03:15] <FloridaGuy> bjsnider, im just saying what ever i try to install..xchat or what ever..i get...E: gnome-games-data: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[03:15] <coz_> oh!!
[03:15] <bjsnider> run sudo apt-get -f install
[03:15] <coz_> listen before you talk coz
[03:16] <FloridaGuy> done that
[03:16] <kklimonda> FloridaGuy: there is no other error?
[03:16] <FloridaGuy> i cant even uninstall it
[03:16] <FloridaGuy> yes
[03:16] <FloridaGuy> there is
[03:16] <kklimonda> FloridaGuy: it's probably an error with postinst script
[03:18] <FloridaGuy> so what do i do then
[03:21] <kklimonda> FloridaGuy: you could always paste it here so we know what is a problem
[03:22] <FloridaGuy> here's what i get on apt-get -f install....    http://pastebin.com/m1f64bcae
[03:23] <kklimonda> FloridaGuy: go to the /var/lib/dpkg/info
[03:23] <kklimonda> and copy gnome-games-data.* into somewhere safe
[03:24] <kklimonda> then try again
[03:26] <bjsnider> kklimonda, did you say you couldn't play movies when compiz was running?
[03:28] <FloridaGuy> witch gnome-game-data....there's postinst....postrm....prem....md5sum..list
[03:28] <kklimonda> bjsnider: ignore me - when I was using jaunty trying to play HD movies using vdpau output was generating weird errors but now in Karmic I can't play HD (HD as in x264) movies at all using vdpau
[03:28] <kklimonda> FloridaGuy: move them all somewhere safe
[03:28] <FloridaGuy> k
[03:28] <bjsnider> cool
[03:29] <kklimonda> bjsnider: it was only happening when compiz was enabled
[03:29] <bjsnider> kklimonda, and you now can't use compiz?
[03:30] <kklimonda> bjsnider: well, thats another issue - I can't restart it right now after it crashed.. I'm waiting for a excuse to relog/reboot
[03:30] <bjsnider> if you do a compiz --replace it doesn't work?
[03:32] <kklimonda> I get * glibc detected *** /usr/bin/compiz.real: double free or corruption (!prev):
[03:32] <bjsnider> what graphics card do you have?
[03:32] <kklimonda> nvidia quadro 140m
[03:33] <FloridaGuy> kklimonda, doing sudo nautilus....it will let me copy and paste them..but it wont remove them from there spot
[03:33] <bjsnider> so you've got a workstation system
[03:33] <kklimonda> bjsnider: it works fine after I reboot until I switch it off for some reason
[03:33] <kklimonda> bjsnider: no - it's mobile card
[03:33] <bjsnider> vdpau should not be shutting it off
[03:34] <bjsnider> but it's a workstation chip. it's built for the business market
[03:34] <kklimonda> bjsnider: I've shut it off so I could see if I can play movie without it :)
[03:34] <bjsnider> oh, i see. you deliberately turned compiz off
[03:34] <bjsnider> because it wouldn't play a flick with compiz on
[03:35] <bjsnider> i thought from what you wrote that vdpau was killing compiz
[03:37] <FloridaGuy> ok got it
[03:41] <bjsnider> kklimonda, is there an error that happens when you try to play a flick with vdpau?
[04:27] <akio> something wacky is happening with my touchpad input
[04:28] <akio> anybody else getting weirdness? it started happening after I upgraded today
[04:31] <oldude67> now ive done it, even broke the network-manager..lol
[04:31] <akio> how did you do that?
[04:31] <akio> I noticed I have more options in the mouse gui
[04:31] <oldude67> i dont know i just rebooted
[04:32] <akio> is there a new mouse driver?
[04:32] <billybigrigger> there is a new mouse config app
[04:32] <billybigrigger> not driver
[04:33] <akio> my mouse is freaking out, I don't know where to start
[04:33] <oldude67> its weird i have internet, just network-manager is no longer in task bar.
[04:34] <billybigrigger> ask DanaG about mouse related issues
[04:34] <billybigrigger> :)
[04:34] <akio> oldude67, did you change any themes?
[04:34] <oldude67> nope
[04:34] <akio> DanaG, you here?
[04:34] <oldude67> and terminal says command not found..hmmm
[04:34]  * billybigrigger waits for Dana to throw a frying pan at akio
[04:34] <billybigrigger> ......
[04:35] <akio> when trying what?
[04:35] <billybigrigger> ......
[04:35] <billybigrigger> nm-applet
[04:35] <billybigrigger> ??
[04:36] <akio> is it running?
[04:36] <billybigrigger> the name of network managers app is nm-applet
[04:37] <oldude67> says it is in system settings
[04:37] <billybigrigger> if it's not running you won't have net access
[04:37] <oldude67> thats kind of what i thought..and it comes up if i do the nm-applet
[04:38] <billybigrigger> mac_v, did you upload that ubunturise boot spash?>
[04:38] <mac_v> billybigrigger: nope
[04:38] <billybigrigger> mac_v, seen you last edited that page, thought it was yours
[04:38] <billybigrigger> :P
[04:38] <billybigrigger> no one took credit for it
[04:38] <billybigrigger> i like it
[04:39] <mac_v> yeah noticed that , author forgot i guess... let me check the rev
[04:40] <akio> you don't necessarily have to have NetworkManager running to have net access. I have NM disabled on my work machine.
[04:41] <billybigrigger> i wonder what the ubuntu dev's will come up with a for a boot
[04:41] <billybigrigger> as of now grub2 doesn't support any themeing :P
[04:41] <mac_v> billybigrigger: fixed... looks like it was --Xunil
[04:41] <billybigrigger> akio, do you have something setup in /etc/network/interfaces though?
[04:41] <akio> yeah
[04:41] <billybigrigger> :)
[04:42] <billybigrigger> well if you wouldn't have setup your interfaces, without nm you don't have net access
[04:43] <akio> or dhclient
[04:45] <oldude67> well i have internet.just no taskbar icon
[04:45] <billybigrigger> check your startup apps?
[04:45] <akio> I have noticed that the actual icons will flake out.
[04:45] <akio> I don't know why that happens.
[04:46] <akio> For instance, the cpu throttling applet used to disappear on me and I would have to go into gconf to fix it.
[04:47] <akio> Haven't had to do that for a long time though.
[04:47] <oldude67> its in startup apps
[04:47] <oldude67> says its running
[04:48] <akio> Try deleting and recreating your panel
[04:48] <oldude67> just not on desktop, thats not a big deal right now tho as i still have to figure out why it wont let me use the -4 kernel with my intel 915 onboard
[04:49] <oldude67> acts like the video and the cpu are tied together and jumps when processor is working.
[04:50] <oldude67> had to use the 2.6.28 kernel to be able to use karmic..are they still working on the intel issue or is it just me?
[04:51] <billybigrigger> rc5 brought some intel fixes iirc
[04:51]  * billybigrigger is still waiting for rc5
[04:51] <billybigrigger> was released friday night, and still hasn't made it down the pipe
[04:52] <billybigrigger> shit, launchpad builders built it on saturday...still haven't seen it
[04:52] <oldude67> so i take it im not the only one with this issue then..good(isnt just me for once.lmao)
[04:52] <billybigrigger> well what's your problem?
[04:53] <billybigrigger> no video at all when booting with the .31 kernel?
[04:53] <billybigrigger> have you tried booting with i915.modeset=0
[04:53] <billybigrigger> i think, to disable kms
[04:53] <oldude67> no it bounces bad when the cpu is working if you dont do anything it stops
[04:53] <billybigrigger> because kms is enabled by default on the new rc kernels iirc
[04:53] <oldude67> i think i tried that before ..let me google that.
[04:55] <oldude67> ugh google didnt help whats the easiest way to disable kms?
[04:56] <billybigrigger> i915.modeset=0
[04:56] <billybigrigger> in your bootline
[04:56] <oldude67> that in /etc/default/grub?
[04:57] <billybigrigger> yeah
[04:57] <billybigrigger> $ sudo update-grub
[04:57] <billybigrigger> afterwards
[04:58] <oldude67> not /etc/default/grub..nothing there..i should really right this crap down again.
[04:58] <billybigrigger> ?
[04:58] <billybigrigger> are you sure
[04:58] <oldude67> yup
[04:58] <billybigrigger> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
[04:58] <oldude67> nothing there as in no print at all.
[04:59] <billybigrigger> add "quite splash i915.modeset=0"
[04:59] <billybigrigger> your /etc/default/grub is empty?
[04:59] <DanaG> oh, sorry, I was at dinner.
[04:59] <DanaG> billybigrigger,  akio: poke.
[04:59] <billybigrigger> haha
[04:59] <akio> gotcha
[04:59] <oldude67> yup its empty
[05:00]  * billybigrigger waits for the flying frying pan.......
[05:00] <billybigrigger> oldude67, that's not good
[05:00] <oldude67> says it finds it when i do update-grub..
[05:00] <DanaG> What's this about a frying pan?
[05:00] <akio> No, I m expecting a frying pan.
[05:00] <DanaG> I read the scrollback, but didn't quite get the joke.
[05:00] <billybigrigger> akio, ask him....
[05:00]  * billybigrigger ducks
[05:00] <oldude67> ugh it /boot/default/grub
[05:00] <oldude67> grr
[05:00] <DanaG> quack!
[05:00] <billybigrigger> oldude67, ???
[05:00] <akio> ow!
[05:00] <billybigrigger> oldude67, that's odd, it should be in /etc/default/grub
[05:01] <oldude67> nope its not..both are empty
[05:01] <oldude67> wtf
[05:01] <oldude67> ??
[05:01] <billybigrigger> locate grub
[05:01] <akio> there is some funny stuff with my mouse and billybigrigger said you were the person to talk to for mouse stuff
[05:01] <DanaG> ah.
[05:01]  * billybigrigger giggles
[05:01] <DanaG> Touchpad stuff went weird recently... one part is that xorg seems to auto-adjust scroll-zone boundaries.
[05:01] <billybigrigger> like a school boy
[05:01] <billybigrigger> haha
[05:02] <akio> i thought that was it.
[05:02] <DanaG> The other is that the gnome mouse preferences allows EITHER two-finger OR edge-scrolling... but not both.
[05:02] <DanaG> <pointer to rant>
[05:02] <DanaG> =þ
[05:02] <DanaG> a.k.a. I'm not going to repeat the rant itself.  =þ
[05:02] <akio> with scrolling disabled it still snags
[05:02] <billybigrigger> DanaG, apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[05:02] <billybigrigger> what version?
[05:03] <DanaG>   Installed: 1:1.1.99+git20090731.1d89e2f6-0ubuntu0sarvatt
[05:03] <DanaG> ... and he just got a ping.  =þ
[05:03] <billybigrigger> xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (1.1.2-1ubuntu2) karmic; urgency=low
[05:03] <billybigrigger>   * debian/patches:
[05:03] <billybigrigger>     - 105_correct_multifinger_click.patch: Drop patch as it breaks
[05:03] <billybigrigger>       the expected behavior for multitouch clicking (LP: #320585).
[05:03] <billybigrigger>     - 111_add_active_area.patch: Backport "Synaptics Area" property
[05:03] <billybigrigger>       from upstream (LP: #402863).
[05:03] <billybigrigger> sorry for the flood guys, yell all you want
[05:04] <billybigrigger> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:42:11 +0200
[05:04] <billybigrigger> you using a PPA or something?
[05:04] <DanaG> yupparoonie.
[05:04] <billybigrigger> :P
[05:04] <oldude67> this is the result of locate grub http://pastebin.com/d4bfc2062 . is that normal?
[05:05] <billybigrigger> BAH! your still using legacy grub :P
[05:05] <akio> I will just wait a few days. I'm sure it will be corrected.
[05:05] <billybigrigger> akio, $ apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[05:05] <billybigrigger> what installed version do you have?
[05:05] <oldude67> and your suggestion is?
[05:05] <billybigrigger> oldude67, :P
[05:06] <billybigrigger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
[05:06] <DanaG> Oh yeah, so, the synaptics driver DOES have an auto-adjust feature... but it's SUPPOSED to not auto-adjust if you set the edges manually.
[05:06] <DanaG> It seems, somehow that case is failing.
[05:06] <alteregoa> someone port ubuntu to hurd?
[05:06] <akio> http://pastebin.com/d1c6084bc
[05:06] <DanaG> what's a hurd?  (yeah, I know it's not "a" hurd)
[05:06] <akio> I don't touch xorg.conf
[05:07] <billybigrigger> akio, well your up to date on the synaptics driver, file a new bug
[05:07] <billybigrigger> oldude67, did you do a fresh Karmic install?
[05:07] <alteregoa> hello mr. shiretoki
[05:07] <oldude67> nope
[05:07] <oldude67> upgrade
[05:07] <billybigrigger> oldude67, upgraded from jaunty?
[05:07] <oldude67> yeah
[05:07] <akio> billybigrigger, you don't think I should try a fresh install?
[05:07] <billybigrigger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Installing%20%28Ubuntu%209.04+%29
[05:08] <alteregoa> i upgraded from dapper drake
[05:08] <billybigrigger> akio, won't solve anything, that synaptics driver is a pita so i've been told
[05:08] <oldude67> um chainload or no?
[05:08] <alteregoa> and akira kurosava didnt' mentioned it in his novel
[05:08] <billybigrigger> oldude67, read the wiki :P
[05:08] <billybigrigger> oldude67, yes chainload from menu.lst
[05:08] <billybigrigger> oldude67, everything you need to know about grub2 is in that wiki
[05:12] <billybigrigger> akio, the best thing you can do is file a bug
[05:13] <akio>  I have no idea how to search for the open ones concerning this version.
[05:13] <billybigrigger> akio, a fresh install won't do anything for you, except bring you back to where you are now :)
[05:13] <mac_v> DanaG: hurd > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Hurd
[05:13] <akio> old habits
[05:13] <DanaG> what's your funkiness?  Extremely narrow scroll region is my issue.
[05:13] <akio> I don't want to create a duplicate
[05:13] <akio> slow movement is fine
[05:14] <billybigrigger> akio, try in a terminal $ ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[05:14] <akio> fast movement acts like there are dead spots on my pad
[05:14] <billybigrigger> akio, and then a detailed description of your problem should be a good start
[05:15] <mac_v> akio: have you installed gpointing-device-settings?
[05:16] <akio> not knowingly
[05:16] <akio> not installed
[05:20] <oldude67> well just updated to grub2 and added the line going to reboot and see if it helps the -4 kernel..ill be back..
[05:20] <FloridaGuy> whats the ubuntu one that says ( disconnected ) that wont connect
[05:25] <akio> Bug #405943 looks like my culprit
[05:26] <akio> same version and symptoms
[05:31] <billybigrigger> akio, hopefully a fix is released soon then
[05:32] <akio> usually when I get around to safe-upgrading stuff gets fixed, others broken, new stuff added
[05:32] <akio> i like alpha
[05:32] <akio> i am a masochist
[05:33] <akio> I only hope I can help.
[05:33] <akio> I'm using UNR
[05:33] <mac_v> guys whats this? > * Flloder001 has offered phear468.m00 (6567 bytes) < spam?
[05:34] <Don_Miguel> spam, yes
[05:34] <mac_v> :/ stupid spammers
[05:35] <DanaG> oh hey, you're right about the fast-movements thing!
[05:35] <akio> yep
[05:35] <oldude67> yeah it worked i can run the -4 kernel now..thanks billybigrigger
[05:35] <akio> i have a really tiny touchpad so it affects me greatly
[05:35] <akio> I have an MSI Wind
[05:36] <billybigrigger> oldude67, np
[05:39] <oldude67> but network manager didnt start again..hmm
[05:39] <oldude67> may have to do what akio said and reinstall it.
[05:40] <akio> i said to re make the panel
[05:40] <akio> is it running or do you just not see the applet?
[05:40] <oldude67> i just dont see the applet
[05:40] <akio> then remake your panel
[05:41] <akio> make sure you have two panel to start with
[05:41] <akio> then just toast one panel and add to the next
[05:41] <akio> if you are using gnome...
[05:42] <DanaG> For me, it only suppresses short, fast movements.
[05:42] <DanaG> Long, fast movements work fine.
[05:42] <akio> that is another bug i saw
[05:45] <oldude67> just added the one from the widgets but its not the same as i was using before, could of also been updated and i didnt know it.
[05:46] <akio> it should just be in the notification area widget
[05:47] <oldude67> it works..no biggie..well thats a 2 plus night for me..now to read up on samba and how to get into the ol ladies computer so i can use her printer and steal her pictures.lol
[05:54] <Laibsch> Can somebody help me understand why I can access a cheap NAS box I have with hardy smbclient, but not the karmic one? -> bug 407583
[06:02] <FloridaGuy> 9.10 just alpha3...but so far i think this is about the best....i thought mandriva 2010 alpha2 was a fast distro...ubuntu 9.10 makes it look like i upgraded my cpu from 1 ghz to 1.5 ghz..
[06:08] <oldude67> tsc seems to be about the easiest way to log on to another win box but can i take things from that computer to this computer with it?
[06:08] <akio> try hfs
[06:08] <oldude67> hfs?
[06:08] <akio> http file system
[06:09] <akio> a little windows app webserver
[06:09] <akio> a lot like the linux app webfs
[06:09] <akio> i hate networking filesystems, webservers and http is where its at
[06:10] <akio> unless you have special needs
[06:10] <akio> or filezilla ftp server
[06:10] <oldude67> well all my friends tell me i am special does that count..lmao
[06:11] <oldude67> im no network guru i just want an easy way to print and get some stuff from one computer to this one.
[06:12] <akio> like i said, hfs
[06:12] <akio> simple stupid
[06:12] <oldude67> has to be for me to use it..lol
[06:12] <akio> google hfs
[06:12] <akio> first hit
[06:13] <oldude67> thats what im doing now.lol
[06:14] <oldude67> ah it has to be ran under wine.
[06:14] <akio> you install it on the windows machine'
[06:15] <akio> it is a windows app
[06:15] <oldude67> ya i see that...
[06:15] <akio> is the other machine a windows machine?
[06:15] <oldude67> yeah
[06:15] <oldude67> sorry peeps for being a little off topic
[06:18] <FloridaGuy> i have a prob...gnome screensaver wont start...i have it set for 1 min...but if i click preview it works..just wont start when its supose to
[06:36] <billybigrigger> anyone know a way to chart disk access?
[06:36] <billybigrigger> like take readings from iotop and put them into a bootchart style chart?
[06:38] <shane__> anyone here had issues with wireless dropping all the time using broadcom
[06:50] <alteregoa> those flash crap stucks every 10 seconds
[06:50] <alteregoa> a graphic issue?
[06:53] <alteregoa> billshot he dog's and cats in the craddle
[06:54] <alteregoa> someone beer?
[06:59] <syn-ack> May I assume correctly that Kickstart will not work with the liveCD?
[07:01] <Laibsch> Hi, I'm trying to understand why bash won't observe my explicit settings with regards to history size and duplicates: http://paste.debian.net/43226/
[07:01] <JanC> kickstart might work with the alternative CD (or a variation of that), but I doubt it works with the live CD...
[07:01] <Laibsch> I want to keep 1000 lines of history and I want it duplicate-free
[07:02] <syn-ack> JanC, thats what I thought, I know it works on the Alt CD but I was thinking of building a liveCD for a USB Stick that did support Kickstart if it doesnt
[07:04] <JanC> the live-CD installer just copies all the installed files from the CD to the hard disk
[07:04] <oldude67> ok got tsc up and running now to check and see if i can move files with it..:(
[07:05] <JanC> (and then removes some of those files)
[07:42] <mac_v> does anyone know about setting keycodes? i want to assign $ and euro signs to my keys which have keycodes 128 , 129
[07:44] <syn-ack> Ok, what does ubuntu use to serve up the software packages
[07:45] <syn-ack> ie what do they use to power the repos?
[07:47] <syn-ack> Basically I want to setup a mirror of the ubuntu repos, not just have a proxy for something local
[07:49] <Laibsch> syn-ack: take a look at apt-cacher-ng
[07:49] <Laibsch> while you explicitly said you don't want a proxy
[07:50] <Laibsch> it will store files in the same layout
[07:50] <syn-ack> Thats exactly what I'm looking for. Thanks. :)
[07:50] <Laibsch> cool
[07:50] <Laibsch> make sure to use -ng
[07:51] <Laibsch> the other one is horrible ;-)
[07:51] <syn-ack> Right, I found apt-cacher but then I found things taht were saying that it yeah, its not all that great
[07:51] <syn-ack> So I was kinda left frustrated as to what I should use
[08:34] <gorgonzola> hello, i have a terrific idea for a workaround for this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/369042, but i need help implementing it. anyone here up for the task? some knowledge of acpi/hal required... (i was sent here from #ubuntu :P)
[08:36] <gorgonzola> i'll propose anyway: the thing is that suspend and resume fail with current fglrx drivers on some cards, with desktop effects enabled. It ocurred to me that it should be possible to disable desktop effects immediately prior to suspension and reenable them after resume, using acpi or hal events... but i don't know where to begin.
[08:36] <gorgonzola> help?
[08:40] <cwillu> gorgonzola, /usr/lib/pm-utils
[08:40] <cwillu> are the scripts that are called on suspend and resume
[08:42]  * twager is away: Gone away for now
[09:04] <kayess> Got a problem with multi-monitor support on karmic (kubuntu desktop). the display configuration shows two monitors, but the multi-monitor configuration says I don't have multiple monitors and xrandr can't be used as the desktop extents are too small
[09:04] <kayess> On jaunty I just put a few lines into xorg.conf, but there isn't one of those on karmic -- what's the right way to do this?
[09:16] <gorgonzola> cwillu: does kubuntu (ie, kde) use pm-utils too?
[09:20] <cwillu> pm-utils has nothing to do with x
[09:20] <cwillu> let alone desktop environments
[09:20] <cwillu> i.e., it's general infrastructure
[09:28] <gorgonzola> cwillu thanks a bunch, i'm looking into it right now
[09:29] <gorgonzola> cwillu: one question though... where should i put this (ie, between which actions)? there's a bunch of scripts on sleep.d...
[09:35] <mac_v> does anyone know about setting keycodes? i want to assign $ and euro signs to my keys which have keycodes 128 , 129 , or any good how-to's?
[09:41] <cwillu> gorgonzola, make a new one
[09:42] <gorgonzola> cwillu: yes, i know i have to make a new one. i was asking where n the exec sequence to put it, but man pm-suspend was very illustrative. thanks!
[09:55] <martin__> mornin guys.
[09:57] <martin__> A few days ago, my /home-luks-partition broke. it said it is no luks-Partition and i couldn't even load it via cryptsetup luksOpen. In the end i had to throw away all the data and i reinstalled my complete system.
[09:58] <martin__> so.. i just booted and this thing happened again, i can't acces the partition, because cryptsetup says it's not luks.
[09:58] <martin__> Does this mean my harddisk is broken?
[09:59] <martin__> i mean.. it DID work a few days.. and i did not change anything since the last time it worked..
[09:59] <TheInfinity> martin__: badblocks will tell you
[09:59] <martin__> 'sudo badblocks /dev/sdb2' in that case?
[10:00] <TheInfinity> man badblocks for more information (you really should read it, its an app of data mass destruction ;) )
[10:00] <TheInfinity> (if you use it wrong)
[10:00] <cwillu> martin__, it is unwise to use strong encryption without good backups on data you don't want to lose
[10:01] <martin__> at this moment it's not about the data i lost.. (i learned that i need to back up.. :/) it's more about a repeating error
[10:04] <martin__> TheInfinity: read it "sudo badblocks /dev/sdb2" seems to be fine?
[10:28] <martin__> hm. that takes quite a while.
[10:31] <Tekno> morning
[10:32] <martin__> hi
[10:38] <richardcavell> evening
[11:18] <indus> anyone can tell me, why firefox 3.0 is still default in karmic?
[11:19] <indus> anyone?
[11:19] <indus> why is ff 3.5 not in karmic as official
[11:21] <syn-ack> indus, because theres still work that needs to be done before its approved
[11:21] <ruslanr> indus: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-firefox-3.5
[11:22] <indus> hmm iam reading ithis now
[11:22] <indus> thanks
[12:55] <hggdh> diverse_izzue, do you have a bug already opened? If not, what are you looking for?
[12:56] <diverse_izzue> hggdh, i found out meanwhile that mine is a dupe of some other, which seems to be confirmed already. thanks anyway
[12:57] <hggdh> k
[13:15] <syn-ack> Alright... Got a compile of the latest kernel prepatch goin' on
[13:15] <syn-ack> w00t
[13:37] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[13:40] <leleobhz> have here people with intel graphics and this: [drm:drm_wait_vblank] *ERROR* failed to acquire vblank counter, -22
[13:41] <leleobhz> not a problem for me, but this overflow my dmesg
[13:44] <yacc_> Ok, I wonder what the correct way is to file this problem: I'm running Karmic, and both nv and nouveau crash badly, but run fine when I boot 2.6.27-14-generic?
[13:46] <syn-ack> Well.... Nouveau still isnt considered a "stable" product yet so you probably cant file them the same way
[13:47] <syn-ack> yacc_, And "crash badly" is pretty broad term...
[13:47] <yacc_> syn-ack, kernel panic?
[13:47] <gnomefreak> if Nouveau is in official repos not the PPA repos you can file a bug on it
[13:48] <yacc_> it's in the official one.
[13:48] <yacc_> But the important detail is, that it's an interaction with the 2.6.31 kernel.
[13:48] <gnomefreak> than you can file a bug on it
[13:48] <yacc_> Both drivers run stable under 2.6.27-4-generic
[13:48] <yacc_> I wonder if I'll ever leave that kernel.
[13:49] <gnomefreak> yacc_: more than likely its caused by the restricted modules. same as nvidia-glx-173 (not sure if still an issue)
[13:49] <yacc_> Jaunty 2.6.28 had this overheating problem, which 2.6.31 seems to fix, but without X11 it's not that useful I have to admit :(
[13:49] <gnomefreak> the nvidia-glx-180 works great here
[13:49] <yacc_> gnomefreak, nvidia-glx-180 in my case.
[13:49] <yacc_> gnomefreak, it crashes badly here.
[13:49] <gnomefreak> yacc_: doesnt work?
[13:49] <syn-ack> gnomefreak, X 1.6 doesnt run the 173 module anymore. :*(
[13:49] <gnomefreak> hm
[13:50] <gnomefreak> syn-ack: its in legacy
[13:50] <yacc_> I've got probably an atypical onboard integreated nvidia solution.
[13:50] <gnomefreak> at least should be but there are bugs on it already
[13:50] <yacc_> gnomefreak, actually 173 does not even compile.
[13:50] <gnomefreak> yacc_: i know i filed the bug on it
[13:50] <syn-ack> like I said, 173 doesnt run under X1.6
[13:50] <syn-ack> not supported by the vendor anymore
[13:50] <yacc_> 00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51 [Geforce Go 6150] (rev a2)
[13:51] <gnomefreak> syn-ack: thats why it was demoted to legacy by nvidia. but we have not yet fixed it in Ubuntu
[13:52] <yacc> It seems in both cases to have been a case of hardware access => nv starts up and crashes when idle (I've found a bug that was closed because somebody did not reply fast enough???, how do I get it reopened?), and it crashes when a second instance of X is started (sequentially as in gdm restart, or in parallel).
[13:53] <hggdh> yacc, if you feel a bug should be reopened, just mark it as new/incomplete/confirmed, as the case may be
[13:53] <gnomefreak> yacc: reopen it with more info. if you giv eme bug number ill reopen it you comment on it. or click on invalid and change to incomplete
[13:53] <yacc> noveau refused to startup with a message about GPU access, and started (but crashed rather fast) with accel turned off.
[13:57] <BluesKaj> yacc, the 180 driver should work with your card , it's listed as supported
[13:57] <yacc> It does, on 2.6.27
[13:57] <syn-ack> gnomefreak, Dont mind me. I'm balls tired and I'm not going to sleep till I get this kernel compile done so sorry for not making much sense
[13:58] <yacc> It has slightly limited functionality on 2.6.31 but it makes the caps lock led blink nicely ;)
[13:58] <gnomefreak> syn-ack: its ok im sleep typing too :) but i think im caught up for today 4 hours sooner than i should be
[13:58] <BluesKaj> yacc , bummer :(
[13:59] <syn-ack> heh, going on 18 - 19 hrs myself
[14:00] <gnomefreak> yay i have finally figured out xchat, i havent used it in a few years
[14:00] <syn-ack> gnomefreak, You didnt miss much. :P
[14:01] <yacc> BluesKaj, yeah, my laptop has not a happy history with Ubuntu kernels in the last months :(
[14:01] <gnomefreak> syn-ack: i see that
[14:03] <iddo> anyone got ssh-agent to work at login without gnome?
[14:03] <BluesKaj> I have a cheap Acer lappy for travelling , but I managed to put jaunty on it using wubi , so far so good .
[14:05] <zniavre_> syn-ack,  you should give a try to nvidia.com website and 173.14.20 driver for your worrie
[14:05] <zniavre_> they are updated to recent kernel 2.6.30/31
[14:05] <syn-ack> really now?
[14:06] <zniavre_> since first jully ...
[14:06] <syn-ack> I'll have to remember that
[14:06] <zniavre_> :o)
[14:10] <yacc> BluesKaj, Acer One?
[14:11] <BluesKaj> yacc, Acer 4630 Extensa
[14:15] <gnomefreak> the upstream drivers work for 173
[14:46] <BluesKaj> this is a bad one
[14:46] <danbhfive> mac_v: random guess: xset
[14:46] <mac_v> xset and? i havent used xset...
[14:47]  * mac_v reading man xset
[14:47] <judgen> i didnt know kde3 worked so well in karmic.
[14:50] <oldude67> did all that adding last night for grub2 and work around for my i915 intel video to have to do it again today cause of grub2 update..grr..lol
[14:52] <mac_v> oldude67: where did you edit grub2?
[14:53] <oldude67> mac_v,  in /etc/default/grub
[14:53] <mac_v> oldude67: have you tried editing the etc/grub.d?
[14:54] <oldude67> mac_v, why, it works now.
[14:54] <mac_v> oldude67: no.. i was saying for persistence of the edits
[14:55] <oldude67> figured karmic was going to go to grub2 anyways.
[14:55] <oldude67> which it did, this mornings update had it.
[14:56] <mac_v> oldude67:  etc/grub.d ,works for grub2
[14:56] <oldude67> ah well i was told to do it the other way.
[14:57] <mac_v> oldude67: nope , read the readme in  etc/grub.d
[14:57] <BluesKaj> oldude67,  /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[14:57] <mac_v> BluesKaj: no, should *not* edit that
[14:57] <mac_v> unless essential
[14:57] <mac_v> !grub2
[14:58] <BluesKaj> well, I had to add my W7 partition there
[14:58] <oldude67> well i didnt have to add any partitions i just had to fix the intel video.
[14:58] <mac_v> BluesKaj: that was an issue in the initial a3 ? but is fixed nowBug #402795
[14:59] <mac_v> Bug #402795
[15:00] <oldude67> mac_v, i dont have a /etc/grub.d
[15:00] <gnomefreak> oldude67: /boot/grub.d?
[15:01] <BluesKaj> mac_v, oldude67 , intel video should be in the kernel module by now
[15:01] <bjsnider> i would call the entire grub system a paper cut
[15:02] <gnomefreak> /etc/boot.d/grub or /etc/default/grub maybe what you are looking for
[15:02] <oldude67> im not looking i already have it fixed, just got told i did it the wrong way..but it works.
[15:03] <gnomefreak> i have /tc/grub.d
[15:03] <gnomefreak> /etc/grub.d dir
[15:04] <bjsnider> is "unmount" really better than "unmount volume"?
[15:07] <BluesKaj> hmm, I have none of the above grubs
[15:08] <oldude67> BluesKaj, well im doing better then you i do atleast have the /etc/default/grub.
[15:10] <BluesKaj> ok oldude67, forgot about that one ..I have it as well
[15:10]  * BluesKaj makes sure it's in runbox list
[15:11] <oldude67> thats the only one i have..lol
[15:11] <BluesKaj> no cfg/
[15:11] <BluesKaj> ?
[15:11] <oldude67> thats probably why they told me to do it the way i did.
[15:11] <oldude67> oh i didnt check that one.
[15:13] <oldude67> yeah i have that one as well.
[15:13] <BluesKaj> they always tewll you not to edit that file cuz it's generated  /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig using templates # from /etc/grub.d and settings from /etc/default/grub
[15:13] <BluesKaj> but those other files are more difficult to edit
[15:15] <oldude67> frigging netsplits..hope this doesnt keep happening.
[15:15] <Pici> Staff are looking into it./
[15:27] <BluesKaj> anyway BBL, trying to get my phone pics transferred , but it's proving to be difficult in linux  , guess I'll have to into windows to get it done. :P
[15:45] <iPoRn> hy, gnome-setting-daemon, is using around 30% of cpu, and it forces my cpu to get overheated, anyone knows why?
[15:50] <mac_v> bjsnider: unmount will be eventually replaced by eject for all extrenal drive/cd/... unmount will only be used for partitions
[15:53] <bjsnider> cool
[16:06] <Twigathy> So much for sound mixing.... screw pulse :| Failed to create sink input: too many inputs per sink. in syslog c_c
[16:07] <Twigathy> ok, what. Workrave has created about nine magillion pulseaudio playback streams
[16:08] <Twigathy> time to REPORT BUG
[16:09] <bjsnider> workrave?
[16:09] <Twigathy> It's a 'take a break' app, forces you to not sit at the computer for hours on end
[16:10] <Twigathy> It seems every time it plays a sound it makes a new PA stream ... and keeps it open ...
[16:10] <bjsnider> that's not the fault of pulseaudio
[16:10] <Twigathy> indeed, that's the fault of workrave
[16:11] <bjsnider> can you change the audio driver to alsa?
[16:11] <Twigathy> no, no options for which sound server to use
[16:12] <bjsnider> maybe it's not even fully compatible with pulse then
[16:13] <Twigathy> indeed...
[16:15] <bjsnider> is this a gtk app?
[16:15] <Twigathy> Yes, I think so. It's gnome-like, not KDE.
[16:15] <bjsnider> perhaps the changelog might talk about pulseaudio somewhere
[16:21] <Twigathy> well... bug reported. PA restarted. Workrave told not to make noise :)
[16:23] <bjsnider> has there beena  pulse update since 9.15?
[16:24] <syn-ack> alright
[16:24] <syn-ack> patch for rc5 took right up and running nicely
[16:24] <syn-ack> Linux meskes-laptop 2.6.31-rc5 #1 SMP Mon Aug 3 05:25:19 MST 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[16:27] <Twigathy> bjsnider: nope, .9.15 is the version I'm running
[16:33] <oldude67> syn-ack, when is the release for rc5?
[16:34] <syn-ack> oldude67, *shrugs*
[16:34] <syn-ack> I built this for myself thismorning.
[16:34] <oldude67> ah i will wait, im not in that big of a hurry to have to fix things again..lol
[16:35] <syn-ack> oldude67, the only thing I forgot to do was make an initrd so I dont have a purty splash
[16:35] <oldude67> lol
[16:47] <BluesKaj> no joy , no linux drivers for my phone ...this is why so many ppl use windows for a back up to apps that don't exist or don't work on linux ...sad but true :(
[16:48] <BluesKaj> I don't want to hack the phone or anything , just transfer pics
[16:54] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, how does your phone connect to the pc?
[17:00] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, usb
[17:00] <bjsnider> and what does lsusb say when the phone is plugged in?
[17:01] <bjsnider> it should just be very similar to a usb jump drive to my way of thinking
[17:01] <bjsnider> should mount it as such
[17:01] <Shiretoko> Hi! :3
[17:02] <Shiretoko> anyone get arround automount 4 usb external devices?
[17:04] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, Bus 002 Device 002: ID 22b8:2a62 Motorola PCS E815 GSM Phone (AT) ...this is odd cuz it wouldn't list yesterday *v*
[17:04] <bjsnider> seems to know an awful lot about it for a device with no driver
[17:05] <bjsnider> look up the id and see if there really isn't a driver
[17:05] <Shirotoko> but in 9.04 it was mounted ok
[17:05] <Twigathy> meep, gdm update has killed.... something ...
[17:05] <Twigathy> X no longer thinks the 'nvidia' module exists, but it shows in lsmod...
[17:06] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, i tried installing a windows driver in wine
[17:07] <BluesKaj> but the graphics wouldn't show some of the dialogs required to choose a profile etc
[17:08] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, did that phone work as a file system in jaunty?
[17:09] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, I didn't try it in jaunty
[17:10] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, you could try booting a livecd to check, because this could be a karmic problem
[17:10] <BluesKaj> just decided to try it on karmic yesterday rather than bother my wife while she was working on her vista pc
[17:10] <bjsnider> what's vista?
[17:10] <bjsnider> is that a new linux distro?
[17:10] <Shirotoko> lol
[17:10] <yoasif> it's an OS.
[17:10] <yoasif> windows vista
[17:11] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, i did however get it to work on W7 64bit , now that's something that surprised me
[17:11] <bjsnider> what did you say? linux vista?
[17:11] <BluesKaj> no wife's windows vista pc
[17:11] <Shirotoko> rofl
[17:11] <BluesKaj> hehe
[17:12] <BluesKaj> interesting concept linux vista :)
[17:13] <Twigathy> hrm, so... anybody know what would cause Xorg to say "The nvidia module doesn't exist!" and for lsmod to list it just fine? :(
[17:13] <Shirotoko> that really exist
[17:13]  * Twigathy thinks something broke something else :)
[17:13] <Twigathy> goodness knows what broke what
[17:14] <bjsnider> Twigathy, run dkms status
[17:14] <Shirotoko> only that the name is "Linux Vixta"
[17:15] <Twigathy> bjsnider: that's showing the nvidia module is... er... good for four kernels (one of which is the one I am booted into now)
[17:15] <bjsnider> it should say "installed"
[17:16] <bjsnider> check your xorg.conf file. you can also use jockey if you want
[17:16] <Twigathy> yup, it says installed
[17:16] <bjsnider> power down, flea power, reboot
[17:16]  * BluesKaj thinks his leg was pulled
[17:16] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, sounds painful
[17:17] <Shirotoko> anything like ubuntu-tweak for karmic?
[17:17] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, that you were kidding about linux vista :)
[17:20] <Twigathy> wharfglbl. Re-installing the 185 driver. [reboot didn't help]
[17:20] <bjsnider> what does xorg.conf say?
[17:21] <refnumzx> I need to get the latest version of dansguardian to run in jaunty.  I have tried to download the version available in karmic but when I try to install it with dpkg \endash I.   I get unmet dependencies. Libclamav and a c library. But I imagine those other packages will also have dependencies and on and on and on.  Is there a way I can install a package for karmic into jaunty?  I have tried a manual compile but this also fails with lib
[17:21] <refnumzx> er to use the deb from karmic as it would make package removal and things much easier.
[17:22] <bjsnider> why are you so worried about security on a linux system? chill out
[17:22] <bjsnider> relax. have a drink
[17:24] <Shirotoko> did u installed clavmav?
[17:25] <Twigathy> hurrah, that fixed things
[17:25]  * Twigathy wonders what on earth happened :/
[17:25] <bjsnider> good to see that senator dole is in this room. nice to see the  last surviving member of the silent generation using linux.
[17:26] <Shirotoko> lol
[17:35] <itswhatev> don't upgrade to vbox 3.0.2 if you don't have problems... i'm getting packet loss regardless of network type / adapter..
[17:54] <bjsnider> itswhatev, doesn't work terribly well here either
[17:54] <bjsnider> seems slow
[17:55] <itswhatev> bjsnider: it's a regression imo... kind of blatant
[17:56] <bjsnider> maybe it would work better without opengl
[17:56] <bjsnider> not sure
[18:10] <bmunger> wonder if new kernel will be in repo today
[18:10] <syn-ack> Heh
[18:10] <syn-ack> Its already on my system. :P
[18:10] <bmunger> you compiled it yourself?
[18:10] <syn-ack> You bet ya
[18:11] <BluesKaj> ok my usb phone is listed , but how do i get it to mount , fstab and mtab complain that's not there
[18:11] <syn-ack> I'm actually building another one right now
[18:11] <syn-ack> Forgot a couple options
[18:11] <BluesKaj> that it's not
[18:12] <syn-ack> bmunger, dpkg-deb: building package `linux-image-2.6.31-rc5' in `../linux-image-2.6.31-rc5_2.6.31-rc5-10.00.Custom_i386.deb'.
[18:15] <bmunger> syn-ack: do you take the config options from ubuntu default and then just modify them?
[18:16] <syn-ack> I for the most part.... I do use make-kpkg though which makes it a breeze
[18:18] <syn-ack> bmunger, if you're interested in more info feel free to /pm me
[18:18] <bjsnider> but why. what does yours have that the standard ubuntu kernel lacks?
[18:18] <syn-ack> its not what it has, its what it doesnt have
[18:19] <bjsnider> so you trimmed yours down and so forth
[18:24] <refnumzx> I need to get the latest version of dansguardian to run in jaunty.  I have tried to download the version available in karmic but when I try to install it with dpkg \endash I.   I get unmet dependencies. Libclamav and a c library. But I imagine those other packages will also have dependencies and on and on and on.  Is there a way ia
[18:28] <ia> refnumzx: afaiu, the latest version is 2.10 - for jaunty you can try this PPA: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-clamav/+archive/ppa
[18:41] <refnumzx> ia: how do i get jaunty to upgrade dansguardian? i have never used ppa. thanks for the help.
[18:41] <refnumzx> i try pt-get update and upgrade but it claims 2.9.97 is the latest.
[18:43] <yofel> refnumzx: you first need to add the ppa to your software sources, see 'install packages' on the ppa page for that
[18:44] <DanaG> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:ppaname
[18:45] <yofel> refnumzx: which ubuntu release do you use?
[18:45] <yofel> DanaG: and it's 'add-apt-repository' :P
[18:45] <DanaG> oh yeah
[18:45] <DanaG> .
[19:01] <syn-ack> w00t
[19:01] <syn-ack> got the kernel compiled 100 % correctly now
[19:01] <syn-ack> Linux meskes-laptop 2.6.31-rc5 #1 SMP Mon Aug 3 08:41:03 MST 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[19:05] <refnumzx> i use jaunty
[19:05] <syn-ack> Good for you
[19:05] <ia> refnumzx: open https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-clamav/+archive/ppa and click at "Read about installing" link - there is good instructions aboud adding PPA in software sources.
[19:05] <syn-ack> :P
[19:06]  * Twigathy gave up on vdpau+mplayer... silly mplayer just goes "Nope, can't use that codec!" c_c
[19:07] <ia> refnumzx: but just use instead of line "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/awn-testing/ubuntu jaunty main" in example this line: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clamav/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main
[19:14] <refnumzx> ia: thanks a lot
[19:42] <BluesKaj> Twigathy, try vlc , it plays mostly everything well
[19:42] <Twigathy> BluesKaj: yarr, vlc and mplayer both work ok w/o vdpau, I just figured it'd be nice if I could offload it to the GPU ;)
[19:46] <BluesKaj> Twigathy, send it to a TV or pvr ?
[19:47] <Twigathy> BluesKaj: nono, just to display onscreen
[19:47] <Twigathy> offload as in not use CPU to decode, use GPU's magic video decoding chip to decode video.
[19:47] <BluesKaj> right
[19:48] <BluesKaj> which card do you use ?
[19:48] <Twigathy> 9600GT
[19:52] <BluesKaj> very nice Twigathy,  I use a 7600GT but I'm not a gamer
[19:53] <Twigathy> yup, I did have a 7600GT but it wasn't so great for games. I don't play often, but I like it to be nice and slick when I do ;)
[19:56] <bjsnider> Twigathy, that graphics card is compatible with vdpau
[19:56] <BluesKaj> the 7600 is good for movies and tv on this display (samsung syncmaster 2253LW) , which I occasionaly use when the main tv is being abused by reality shows :)
[19:56] <Twigathy> hehe
[19:57] <Twigathy> bjsnider: yup, I know. I just get mplayer having a fit saying it can't use the vdpau codecs (I specify using -vc) :/
[19:57] <bjsnider> Twigathy, which mplayer?
[19:57] <FloridaGuy> how would i add this mirror to /ect/apt/sources.list
[19:57] <FloridaGuy> ftp://carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/ubuntu/dists/
[19:57] <Twigathy> One from a PPA - the nvidia-vdpau one
[19:57] <bjsnider> ok
[19:58] <bjsnider> what does it say exactly. what's the error message?
[19:58] <Twigathy> vdpinfo programs states that yes, the card supports vdpau
[19:58] <Twigathy> er, sec :)
[19:59] <Twigathy> http://paste.lisp.org/display/84684
[19:59] <Twigathy> essentially... Cannot find codec 'h264_vdpau' in libavcodec...
[20:01] <bjsnider> Twigathy, add -vo vdpau to the command
[20:02] <BluesKaj> FloridaGuy, try to find the deb source for your distro (jaunty I assume) on their site , ftp prolly won't work unless you use wget to dl the urls to your sources.list
[20:02] <Twigathy> bjsnider: oh, missed that. Same error though, that it can't find the codec
[20:03] <FloridaGuy> BluesKaj, im useing karmic
[20:03] <Twigathy> It does output using vdpau now though, just doesn't do the decoding on-card
[20:04] <BluesKaj> ok FloridaGuy , I would look for the deb urls on that site
[20:04] <FloridaGuy> k
[20:05] <bjsnider> Twigathy, which version of libavcodec are you using?
[20:08] <Twigathy> bjsnider: good question... 4:0.5+svn20090609-1ubuntu3 from the karmic main repo. Although I thought mplayer shipped its own copy of that...?
[20:16] <BluesKaj> ahh svn version in the karmic repos now ...ughlee!
[20:17] <Twigathy> :>
[20:17] <BUGabundo> hey
[20:17] <BluesKaj> mplayer has been really flaky on my setup
[20:17]  * Twigathy waves
[20:17] <BUGabundo> so what are we breaking today?
[20:17] <BUGabundo> got this idea
[20:17] <BluesKaj> hey BUGabundo
[20:17] <BUGabundo> anyone want to change the World?
[20:17] <Twigathy> well, today my nvidia driver broke, then mplayer broke.
[20:18] <BUGabundo> hey Tw BluesKaj
[20:18] <Twigathy> But it's fixed now =)
[20:18] <Twigathy> [almost-didn't manage to get vdpau working in the end]
[20:18] <BUGabundo> heh
[20:19] <hifi> huh, wtf
[20:19] <hifi> when I ssh into my laptop and run a command like "screen" and immediately "exit" it hangs and the process is <defunct>
[20:20] <BUGabundo> sooooo
[20:21] <BUGabundo> who want to change the world, of how we install apps?
[20:21] <hifi> aptitude is fine, thanks
[20:21] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: I do
[20:21] <hifi> (as an apt-get replacement)
[20:21] <yofel> BUGabundo: count me in :)
[20:21] <BUGabundo> hey kklimonda
[20:21] <BUGabundo> jey yofel
[20:21] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: I believe we need a better way of installing single packages from -backports ;)
[20:21] <kklimonda> hey :)
[20:21] <BUGabundo> humm I'm lagged
[20:21] <BUGabundo> oops
[20:22] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: that too
[20:22] <BUGabundo> but this firt
[20:22] <BluesKaj> so what's the "change the world install" news ?
[20:22] <BUGabundo> USER installed Apps
[20:22] <BUGabundo> no more system wide
[20:22] <BUGabundo> replicate the packagelist on ~/
[20:22] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: no, I don't like it
[20:22] <BUGabundo> and install on $HOME
[20:22] <yofel> more like in ~/.local
[20:23] <BUGabundo> what ever whereever
[20:23] <Twigathy> BUGabundo: sounds good -- especially on a multi-user system where you don't really want to give out sudo to everybody :)
[20:23] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: can you provide an example why would you want to install application in ~/ ?
[20:24] <yofel> kklimonda: never wanted to install an app on a network pc where you don't have sudo rights?
[20:24] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: portability, no more system wide changes, less sudo, etc
[20:25] <kklimonda> yofel: I believe that we could use more... "detailed" privileges like "installing new software"
[20:25] <yofel> also you could install a never prog. version in ~ and keep the stable one in the system folders
[20:25] <yofel> s/never/newer/
[20:25] <BUGabundo> right
[20:25] <refnumzx> that would be great.
[20:26] <BUGabundo> I don't get why no one ever implement that on apt
[20:26] <BUGabundo> now, we need a spec, and bugs on LP and upstream
[20:26] <yofel> kklimonda: that too, but in my university account I'll defenitely *never* get app install perms.
[20:26] <BUGabundo> who the heck mantains apt ??
[20:26] <refnumzx> maybe like an apt-local that automatically does an install to a /home/username/local_applications.
[20:26] <kklimonda> yofel: if that's admin's decision who you are to argue with him? :)
[20:27] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: we are Hacker!
[20:27] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: debian maintainers
[20:27] <yofel> kklimonda: err... if the admin is to lazy to upgrade to something newer than gutsy maybe?
[20:28] <kklimonda> yofel: that's different thing.