[11:48] <thrmo> ubuntu 17.04 daily builds ship with unity 8/mir by default?
[12:51] <brunch875> http://imgur.com/a/4vN5A
[12:51] <brunch875> zesty won't boot :(
[12:51] <brunch875> release is approaching... should I be concerned that my computer won't be compatible?
[16:33] <ouroumov> Hello. I can't find Ubuntu Software Center by doing apt-cache search in Zetsy, also: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/zesty/+package/software-center - has the package been definitively dropped?
[23:03] <digitalcrow> !ask i can't connect to wifi networks on ubuntu 17.04 dailybuilds or ubuntu 17.04 beta 1 on derivatives
[23:03] <digitalcrow> ask i can't connect to wifi networks on ubuntu 17.04 dailybuilds or ubuntu 17.04 beta 1 on derivatives
[23:04] <digitalcrow> tried many wifi adapters on two different pcs


[12:04] <murlidhar> hi all i have downloaded lubuntu 64 bit iso and then created a bootable pendrive by using ubuntu startup disk. somehow i was not able to install lubuntu cuz it refused to boot from the disk.
[12:05] <murlidhar> however after i installed another distro and i was able to boot from the pen drive and i could install the distro
[12:05] <murlidhar> the distro i tried to install was lubuntu 21.04 64bit  version
[12:06] <murlidhar> what could be the reason for not being able to use it as livecd ?
[12:06] <guiverc> did you verify the ISO before writing to media?   https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/1/1.1/retrieving_the_image.html mentions verification
[12:06] <murlidhar> yes
[12:06] <guiverc> in my experience the write to USB-thumb-drive is where it fails the most (about 5-8% of writes I find are faulty.. for whatever reason)
[12:06] <murlidhar> three times i downloaded the iso
[12:07] <guiverc> if you verified a checksum; why did you download it again?
[12:07] <murlidhar> tried the iso and by torrent
[12:07] <guiverc> the Ubuntu instructions for verification can be found at https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-how-to-verify-ubuntu#0
[12:08] <guiverc> to verify the boot media; I'd try booting the thumb-drive in another box (or two) - if it fails to boot in those boxes; I'd assume the write to the thumb-drive was faulty
[12:09] <guiverc> on some boxes you cannot boot a thumb-drive without holding specific keys (ie. hardware security options that can be changed often in bios/uefi config); but that's box specific
[12:10] <murlidhar> i have only one desktop
[12:11] <murlidhar> let me try checksum . i will come back once i verify in this way
[12:15] <murlidhar> guiverc: it is really confusing now. help me please :|
[12:15] <murlidhar> i am not sure how to use the checksum
[12:16] <guiverc> the easiest method is following the lubuntu link I first provided (ie. lubuntu manual)
[12:17] <guiverc> ie. look for the command "sha256sum lubuntu-21.04-desktop-amd64.iso" in the manual in the "Downloading the image via HTTP" section
[12:17] <murlidhar> ah yes . the second link completely confused me.  thanks . this i can follow
[12:18] <guiverc> when I used the command "sha256sum hirsute-desktop-amd64.iso" I get the same checksum as the manual says I should (my name is what it was called pre-release)
[12:19] <murlidhar> currently downloading the iso again cuz i deleted it
[12:19] <guiverc> sorry for confusing you (2nd link; ignore my command too; my download was done before 21.04 was released so it uses the codename)
[12:20] <murlidhar> also are there 2 websites for lubuntu ?
[12:20] <murlidhar> cuz when i googled for it i got lubuntu.net
[12:20] <guiverc> no there is one Lubuntu web site (lubuntu.me); other sites exist that aren't associated with Lubuntu, Ubuntu etc
[12:21] <guiverc> you'll can be offered more than just those two places to download lubuntu from google; but only lubuntu.me is legit
[12:21] <murlidhar> yeah i am downloading from ubuntu.me only
[12:21] <guiverc> If you're unsure which is legit; do NOT ask google; Ubuntu.com will direct you to legitimate flavor site; ie. https://ubuntu.com/download/flavours
[12:21] <murlidhar> because when i tried to download iso from .net site it failed to download
[12:23] <guiverc> It's what many here refer to as a "fan" site.. we don't control it, cannot do anything about it; it's usually outdated but not giving spam/false ISOs as to my knowledge at least; it directs downloads to cdimage.ubuntu.com
[12:24] <murlidhar> yes it does and the iso couldn't be downloaded either
[12:24] <murlidhar> it gives an error message
[12:24] <guiverc> most likely because it was providing links that are wrong (outdated, EOL etc)
[12:25] <guiverc> either way you'd not want data from lubuntu.net as it's NOT a Lubuntu site
[12:25] <murlidhar> yeah
[12:25] <murlidhar> downloaded the iso from ubuntu.me
[12:26] <guiverc> lubuntu.me, ubuntu's site is ubuntu.com
[12:26] <murlidhar> also i have this doubt . why is file system as iso9660 instead of ext4 for live cds ?
[12:27] <TJ-> murlidhar: the clue is in the name "live *CD*" - CD's contain ISO9660 file-systems
[12:27] <guiverc> ISO9660 is a type of system (standard) that can be booted.  ext4 is a native file system of GNU/Linux that needs to be booted by something (Ubuntu generally uses `grub` to boot)
[12:28] <murlidhar> okies
[12:28] <TJ-> murlidhar: we build hybrid ISO9660 images that can also use other boot methods so they'll also boot in non CD devices
[12:31] <murlidhar> murlidhar@murlidhar-desktop:~/Downloads$ sha256sum lubuntu-21.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[12:31] <murlidhar> 7089fa1045b776256a76adb30d6e588e09df2ad5cd0ffe63a8d6e802b6b3cc19  lubuntu-21.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[12:31] <murlidhar> seems fine to me
[12:32] <guiverc> looks fine to me (matches the manual it looks like to me; like mine)
[12:32] <murlidhar> haven't checked each and every alphabet though
[12:32] <murlidhar> ok i will try to create a livecd now
[12:32] <guiverc> startup disk creator is mentioned in ubuntu tutorials; what release are you writing the ISO with?
[12:33] <murlidhar> guiverc: do you mean the version?
[12:33] <guiverc> the OS you're writing the ISO to pen-drive; what is it?
[12:33] <murlidhar> 21.04
[12:34] <murlidhar> ah this one
[12:34] <murlidhar> bodhi linux currently
[12:34] <murlidhar> it uses ubuntu repositories so...
[12:34] <guiverc> I'm wondering if it's an old version of Startup disk creator & cannot cope with the type of ISO used by 21.04 (ie. an old bodhi linux maybe; not current)
[12:35] <murlidhar> so what do you suggest ?
[12:35] <guiverc> I have little experience with the app, so aren't sure if it works with 21.04 ISOs.  I know some apps needed to be modified to work with recent ISOs
[12:36] <TJ-> why is startup disk creator required here? ISO can be directly copied to the installer device in almost all cases
[12:36] <guiverc> A risky alternative is `dd`; I'd personally suggest `mkusb` though as it's safer (what I generally use)
[12:36] <guiverc> the manual page for writing ISO to media is https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/1/1.2/booting_the_image.html
[12:37] <TJ-> why is it risky? no more risky that using 'cp'
[12:37] <murlidhar> well i have no idea about it  . since it is there in the repos i just used it to create livecd. it created for bodhi linux which is running the LTS version of ubuntu
[12:37] <guiverc> which LTS release of Ubuntu?
[12:37] <murlidhar> 20.04
[12:37] <murlidhar> bodhi is based on that currently
[12:38] <murlidhar> if i remember it correctly
[12:38] <guiverc> I'm not familiar with bodhi sorry.  https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-ubuntu#1-overview is the Ubuntu tutorial on writing an ISO to pendrive (using Ubuntu)
[12:39] <murlidhar> guiverc: it mentions the same. to use startup disk creator
[12:40] <guiverc> the ubuntu tutorial suggests 18.04 & later should be okay... all I can think of is trying a different pendrive (they don't last forever)
[12:40] <murlidhar> bodhi is based on 20.04 so i guess it should work fine
[12:41] <guiverc> bodhi 32-bit is based on 18.04; bodhi 64-bit is 20.04 it looks like
[12:41] <murlidhar> mine is 64 bit only
[12:41] <murlidhar> am running on E7500 intel processor
[12:42] <guiverc> other than trying another pendrive/thumb-drive; some machines require a specific key to be pressed before they'll boot external media (ie. pendrive)
[12:42] <murlidhar> i remember cuz i installed darktable dev versions
[12:43] <murlidhar> guiverc: i have pendrive only
[12:43] <murlidhar> it created live cd of bodhi and it was bootable which is why i could install it in my desktop
[12:44] <guiverc> I'm out of ideas sorry murlidhar
[12:44] <murlidhar> ah
[12:44]  * guiverc is also tired & ready for bed; night time here :)
[12:44] <murlidhar> guiverc: goodnight . thanks for help :)
[12:45] <guiverc> :)   sorry I couldn't solve it for you
[12:46] <murlidhar> thats ok. i will try it one more time .
[12:46] <TJ-> murlidhar: what's the device node (name) of the pen drive?
[12:46] <TJ-> e.g. /dev/sdg
[12:46] <murlidhar> /sdb
[12:47] <murlidhar> sdb1
[12:47] <murlidhar> can see that in gparted
[12:48] <murlidhar> err just sdb
[12:48] <TJ-> right, so assuming your IOS file is "lubuntu-21.04-desktop-amd64.iso" all you need do is: "sudo dd if=lubuntu-21.04-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=16M status=progress conv=fsync"
[12:48] <murlidhar> just one partition in it
[12:49] <murlidhar> TJ-: so i better not use the startup disk creator ?
[12:50] <TJ-> murlidhar: I don't see the point! The ISO images are bootable disk images
[12:50] <murlidhar> ok
[12:51] <TJ-> They contain BIOS/MBR with syslinux/isolinux, ISO9660 El-Torito boot loader, GPT/EFI-SP for UEFI with GRUB
[12:52] <murlidhar> what does bs=16 mean ?
[12:52] <TJ-> bs=16M means use in-memory buffers of size 16 megabytes for input and output (speeds things up)
[12:53] <TJ-> otherwise the defaultis 512 bytes, which causes many more reads and writes
[12:53] <murlidhar> ah i get it
[12:56] <murlidhar> TJ-: done
[12:56] <murlidhar>  i will just reboot then
[12:57] <murlidhar> TJ-: btw any reason why we shifted to libera from freenode ? its an off topic ofcourse .
[12:57] <murlidhar> maybe i should ask in offtopic channel
[12:58] <TJ-> murlidhar: Freenode was 'taken over' by a possesive control-freak type personality (assets owned by that person who parted ways with the volunteer operators)
[12:59] <murlidhar> oh
[12:59] <murlidhar> its unfortunate. been there since 2008
[12:59] <murlidhar> when did we all shift here ?
[13:01] <TJ-> about 2 months ago I think
[13:01] <TJ-> the person and their supporters were taking over project channels and blocking channel operators, and so forth
[13:01] <murlidhar> ok . i didn't know and when i joined there i lost my nick and i was shocked that there was no one in ubuntu-offtopic
[13:02] <murlidhar> i was regular to that channel back in feisty fawn days
[13:02] <murlidhar> where we had to give grub commands and everything was not automated :D
[13:04] <murlidhar> anyways i will reboot the desktop now and check if i can boot up the livecd!
[13:04] <murlidhar> good to see everyone here
[13:08] <murlidhar> TJ-: nope . it didnt work. live cd didnt boot
[13:08] <murlidhar> TJ-: well not sure if it matter i am running on 4GB ddr2 ram
[13:09] <murlidhar> matters*
[13:09] <murlidhar> atleast it shoot boot from the disk
[13:09] <TJ-> murlidhar: what actually happened though? what did you see?
[13:09] <murlidhar> should*
[13:09] <TJ-> and what boot mode are you using? BIOS or UEFI?
[13:10] <murlidhar> bios i believe
[13:10] <murlidhar> its an old pc
[13:10] <murlidhar> no windows at all
[13:10] <TJ-> do you use a manual boot menu to choose the device to boot from?
[13:11] <murlidhar> do u mean grub menu ?
[13:11] <murlidhar> or the bios settings ?
[13:11] <TJ-> No, the PC's boot device selector
[13:11] <murlidhar> its on usb first and then HDD drive
[13:12] <murlidhar> i know it works cuz it worked for bodhi linux livecd
[13:12] <murlidhar> and antix
[13:12] <TJ-> does it not have a hot-key to press at startup that brings up the device selector, as well?
[13:12] <murlidhar> yes F2
[13:12] <TJ-> and the USB appears on that menu?
[13:12] <murlidhar> yes it does
[13:13] <TJ-> does the USB appear more than once?
[13:13] <TJ-> (sometimes the BIOS will detect the multiple boot modes and offer the same device multiple times)
[13:13] <murlidhar> err i didn't check it this time though
[13:13] <TJ-> older PCs with BIOS would have USB-FDD, USB-CD, USB-HDD modes (the 1st 2 would fail with the hybrid ISO)
[13:14] <murlidhar> usb - hdd
[13:14] <murlidhar> with usb 1st priority
[13:14] <murlidhar> thats why i could install bodhi linux
[13:14] <murlidhar> and antix too
[13:15] <TJ-> so that should boot via syslinux, BIOS/MBR mode
[13:16] <murlidhar> yes
[13:16] <murlidhar> my mbr is written on primary disk
[13:16] <murlidhar> sda
[13:16] <murlidhar> 1
[13:17] <murlidhar> bodhi is installed on sda1
[13:17] <murlidhar> which is what i am currently using right now.
[13:17] <murlidhar> on sda10 my old lubuntu 19.04 is installed right now
[13:18] <murlidhar> however i want to install a fresh one on /sda1 and leave the sda10 for trial distros
[13:19] <murlidhar> why the trouble with lubuntu is what baffles me when i could create live cd successfully with other lighter distros but not able with lubuntu
[13:20] <murlidhar> not with lubuntu*
[13:21] <murlidhar> TJ-: do you suggest me to try with LTS ?
[13:21] <murlidhar> since bodhi is based on that version only
[13:23] <TJ-> murlidhar: no, the ISO has MBR, that is what I am referring to
[13:26] <murlidhar> i am sure it has but why do u think it is not recognising it and booting from usb just for this distro  ?
[13:26] <murlidhar> you*
[13:27] <TJ-> there are known bugs in firmware that can cause weird issues. Right now we are no 100% sure what mode the PC is trying
[13:27] <TJ-> I wrote the diagnostic boot sector for syslinux back in 2007. You could try putting that on the USb and seeing what it reports
[13:27] <murlidhar> mode as in ?
[13:28] <murlidhar> TJ-: ok . i will try that
[13:28] <TJ-> murlidhar: mode as in how the BIOS is treating the USB
[13:28] <TJ-> let me get the link for you
[13:30] <TJ-> this is my source-code with a header explaining what the code does. I'll follow up with a link to the actual boot sector (only 440 bytes) and tell you how to copy it onto the USB
[13:30] <TJ-> https://iam.tj/projects/misc/mbr-diag.S
[13:30] <TJ-> fetch the boot sector with "wget https://iam.tj/projects/misc/mbr-diag.bin"
[13:30] <murlidhar> done saved.
[13:31] <TJ-> now back-up the boot sector from the existing USB. Assuming the USB device is currently /dev/sdb again then do "sudo dd if=/dev/sdb of=mbr.backup.bin bs=440 count=1"
[13:32] <TJ-> now write the diagnostic MBR to the device with sudo "dd if=/mbr-diag.bin of/dev/sdb" then boot the PC and tell me what it reports. If nothing is reported then the PC isn't booting the USB
[13:32] <TJ-> hmmm, typo there
[13:33] <TJ->  "sudo dd if=mbr-diag.bin of/dev/sdb"
[13:33] <TJ-> oh no another!!
[13:33] <TJ->  "sudo dd if=mbr-diag.bin of=/dev/sdb"
[13:33] <murlidhar> TJ-: should i erase the data from pendrive ?
[13:33]  * TJ- goes for coffee!
[13:33] <TJ-> murlidhar: no, just do as I say, you're just altering sector 0 temporarily
[13:33] <murlidhar> ok
[13:33] <TJ-> this is the boot-strap code in sector 0 that BIOS reads and executes on boot
[13:34] <murlidhar> ok let me get my head into it slowly
[13:34] <murlidhar> first backing up the boot sector
[13:35] <TJ-> all this code does is tell us, in a very compressed form, how the BIOS loaded it
[13:35] <TJ-> it's only 435 bytes so there's not much functionality you can get into it!
[13:36] <murlidhar> sudo dd if=mbr-diag.bin of=/dev/sdb
[13:36] <murlidhar> this is the first step ?
[13:38] <TJ-> murlidhar: 2nd step after doing the backup
[13:38] <TJ-> 1st step: "sudo dd if=/dev/sdb of=mbr.backup.bin bs=440 count=1"
[13:38] <murlidhar> ah yes i figured
[13:39] <murlidhar> murlidhar@murlidhar-desktop:~$ sudo dd if=/dev/sdb of=mbr.backup.bin bs=440 count=1
[13:39] <murlidhar> [sudo] password for murlidhar:
[13:39] <murlidhar> 1+0 records in
[13:39] <murlidhar> 1+0 records out
[13:39] <murlidhar> 440 bytes copied, 0.00129966 s, 339 kB/s
[13:39] <TJ-> that's your backup which can be put back once we've done the test
[13:40] <murlidhar> ok did the second step too
[13:40] <murlidhar> 435 bytes
[13:40] <TJ-> 3rd step ... boot the USB and report what it writes to the screen
[13:40] <murlidhar> okies
[13:40] <TJ-> if it doesn't report anything, it didn't boot in BIOS/MBR mode
[13:40] <murlidhar> okies
[13:40] <murlidhar> going now
[13:43] <murlidhar> TJ-: guess it didn't boot in BIOS/MBR
[13:43] <murlidhar> didn't report anything. just went to grub menu directly
[13:43] <TJ-> murlidhar: right, so that means there's an issue in the BIOS boot code; maybe some other options to control how/what it tries
[13:43] <TJ-> GRUB menu of the installed system?
[13:43] <murlidhar> TJ-: yes
[13:43] <murlidhar> bodhi
[13:44] <TJ-> did you use the PC's manual boot device chooser?
[13:44] <TJ-> or did you just let the PC pick a boot device?
[13:44] <murlidhar> since i am dual booting it with an old version of lubuntu
[13:45] <TJ-> my feeling is when you let the PC pick the boot device itself it isn't trying the USB for some reason
[13:45] <murlidhar> yes . there is only an option of priority
[13:46] <murlidhar> where u can select to boot from usb if available
[13:46] <murlidhar> should i take the pics of it from my phone ?
[13:46] <murlidhar> of the bios settings ?
[13:50] <murlidhar> TJ-: ok i will get into BIOs settings and take a few pics cuz i am sure you will understand it better than me. also i will try to boot it by selecting usb manually if possible
[13:55] <murlidhar> TJ-: are you around?
[13:55] <TJ-> I'm asquare :)
[13:55] <murlidhar> TJ-: well where do you suggest i dump the picture ?
[13:55] <TJ-> imgur?
[13:56] <murlidhar> ok
[13:59] <murlidhar> TJ-: https://ibb.co/ZB9j2T9
[14:00] <TJ-> murlidhar: Sandisk is your USB I presume?
[14:00] <murlidhar> yes
[14:01] <TJ-> it's last not first. Move it above Samsung HDD
[14:01] <murlidhar> i did
[14:01] <murlidhar> after taking the pic
[14:01] <murlidhar> also in the second last line it says boot USB first
[14:02] <TJ-> you've got 3 groups in the order,  CD/DVD,  Hard Disk, and the Samsung and Sandisk are Hard Disk. Did you try moving the group "Hard Disk Drive" above "CD/DVD-ROM Drive" ?
[14:02] <murlidhar> TJ-: no. i have never touched that option
[14:02] <TJ-> And we see the system is UEFI but UEFI boot is disabled.  I'd enable that and try again.
[14:02] <murlidhar> will that not mess my mbr ?
[14:03] <TJ-> OK, try moving the "Hard Disk Drive" group up first and see if the USB will start
[14:03] <TJ-> no; this doesn't do any writing, it's only the search order for the boot device
[14:03] <murlidhar> okies
[14:03] <murlidhar> i meant about uefi thingy
[14:03] <TJ-> if the HDD group 1st doesn't help try enabling UEFI boot and test again
[14:03] <murlidhar> okies
[14:03] <murlidhar> brb
[14:10] <murlidhar> TJ-: okay a few observations first.
[14:10] <murlidhar> nothing worked except uefi when enabled
[14:11] <murlidhar> i tried all the permutations and combinations
[14:12] <murlidhar> but when i selected boot from next volume something from the grub menu of the livecd ... i didn't boot
[14:12] <murlidhar> it only restarted and went to the grub menu of livecd . i was hoping that grub of hard disk will be loaded
[14:13] <TJ-> UEFI just means it'll search for an EFI system partition on the USB and then the removable media bootloader path on that /EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI
[14:13] <murlidhar> so i manually removed the usb drive and then restarted . only then i could boot from my HDD os
[14:13] <TJ-> well that is good news isn't it? GRUB actually started from the USB!
[14:14] <murlidhar> yeah but the option of boot from next volume didn't work. and there was this error visible for a half a second that somehing not found.
[14:15] <murlidhar> TJ-: now i can install lubuntu :)
[14:17] <TJ-> that would be expected since the 'next volume' isn't UEFI!
[14:17] <TJ-> doesn't have an EFI-SP
[14:18] <murlidhar> ok
[14:18] <TJ-> so if you go ahead, you'll have Lubuntu starting in UEFI mode but the others in BIOS mode (this assumes thedisk label (DOS/MBR or GPT)
[14:18] <murlidhar> when i install it ..... uefi be installed then ?
[14:19] <TJ-> yes
[14:20] <TJ-> obviously there's something about that PC that is broken in the BIOS implementation to cause this weird failure
[14:20] <murlidhar> ok so will there be two grub menus then ?
[14:20] <TJ-> what does "journalctl -k | grep DMI" report as the make/model?
[14:21] <murlidhar> Aug 15 19:39:10 murlidhar-desktop kernel: DMI:  /DG41RQ, BIOS RQG4110H.86A.0009.2009.0108.1005 01/08/20
[14:21] <murlidhar> Aug 15 19:39:10 murlidhar-desktop kernel: ACPI: Added _OSI(Linux-Lenovo-NV-HDMI-Audio)
[14:21] <murlidhar> it has an inbuit GMA too
[14:21] <murlidhar> x4500 i believe
[14:22] <murlidhar> intel motherboard
[14:23] <murlidhar> TJ-: ok should i go ahead with installing and i can still dual boot with the distro that is in sda10 ?
[14:24] <murlidhar> cuz i believe mbr is always written in the primary partition which is sda1 in this case. also this distro will be installed in sda1
[14:25] <TJ-> no, that is incorrect
[14:25] <TJ-> MBR is sector 0 of the disk
[14:25] <murlidhar> ok
[14:25] <TJ-> the GRUB core image is written as a blocklist in sector 1+
[14:26] <TJ-> so whichever distro you install last will take over boot management
[14:26] <TJ-> this is why UEFI is superior in multiboot situations
[14:26] <murlidhar> ah
[14:27] <murlidhar> also not sure but i have heard somewhere that windows has stopped supporting mbr
[14:28] <TJ-> Latest Windows requires UEFI. UEFI spec mandates support for GPT and DOS labels) but some PC's firmware doesn't properly support DOS labels in UEFI mode
[14:29] <murlidhar> okies.
[14:30] <murlidhar> okay will have my dinner and then install the distro. thanks for the help as always TJ- . u helped me so many times in so many years now
[14:31] <murlidhar> if am running only linux and no windows since 2011 is cuz of support i get here :)
[14:31] <TJ-> :) good luck
[14:32] <murlidhar> i remember we used those commands grub-update and grub-install cuz back then we had to do all that in terminals after installing the distro
[14:32] <TJ-> I still do
[14:32] <murlidhar> yeah but now most of the things are automated.
[14:32] <TJ-> I dont like the detali being obscured... for situations jsut like this!
[14:33] <murlidhar> :)
[14:33] <murlidhar> for you its fun.
[14:33] <murlidhar> for me i am always a noobie in linux no matter how many years i use it. i just don't get it
[14:34] <murlidhar> i just enjoy playing a flute and take photos as my passion. my left brain works more than my logical right brain
[14:35] <murlidhar> TJ-: take care . always nice to see you around :)
[14:35] <murlidhar> bye all. take cares
[14:50] <murlidhar> TJ-: are you still around  ? have a doubt while installing it is warning about EFI boot
[14:50] <murlidhar> i am logged in through the livecd right now
[15:02] <TJ-> murlidhar: I'm here now
[15:02] <TJ-> murlidhar: if it started in UEFI mode, and the disk label is DOS/MBR, then it will complain, as I said earlier
[15:04] <murlidhar> so what is the solution....
[15:06] <murlidhar> do i give a mount point ? as   /     to sda1
[15:06] <TJ-> is the disk using LVM or are you replacing a partition ?
[15:07] <murlidhar> err i already have a partition ..... the bodhi is in sda1 and i wish to replace it with lubuntu
[15:08] <murlidhar> /home is in sda11 partition.
[15:08] <TJ-> is it GPT or DOS label. 11 partitions is a lot for DOS label!
[15:09] <murlidhar> no idea whatsoever .
[15:09] <TJ-> This is why I prefer LVM. you can reuse and change space usage at will, whereas with partitions they're fixed and restrict flexibility
[15:10] <murlidhar> i can change space usage ....
[15:10] <murlidhar> i can edit  them
[15:10] <murlidhar> it says edit existing partition....
[15:10] <TJ-> do "sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda! and see what it reports on the "Disklabel:" line
[15:11] <murlidhar> TJ-: isn't that a command to format disk ?
[15:11] <murlidhar> :|
[15:12] <TJ-> what!?
[15:12] <TJ-> no of course not
[15:12] <murlidhar> fdisk
[15:12] <murlidhar> oh
[15:12] <murlidhar> ok
[15:12] <TJ-> formatting uses mkfs....
[15:12] <murlidhar> ok
[15:12] <murlidhar> sda! ?
[15:12] <TJ-> fdisk is the partition table manipulator. "-l" is --list
[15:13] <murlidhar> Disk /dev/sda1: 10.17 GiB,<PHONE_NUMBER>2 bytes, 21337891 sectors
[15:13] <murlidhar> Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
[15:13] <murlidhar> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
[15:13] <murlidhar> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
[15:13] <murlidhar> should i take a pic again TJ- ?
[15:14] <TJ-> nope
[15:14] <murlidhar> there are actually 8 partitions and swap extra
[15:15] <TJ-> does it not report the Disklabel type, after the I/O size line?
[15:15] <TJ-> here I see for example "Disklabel type: gpt"
[15:15] <murlidhar> thats the only output i got
[15:15] <murlidhar> sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda1
[15:15] <TJ-> is that in the installer's terminal?
[15:15] <murlidhar> yes
[15:15] <murlidhar> live cd
[15:15] <TJ-> I did this on 20.04 here, so it'll be the same fdisk
[15:15] <murlidhar> qterminal
[15:16] <murlidhar> is that sda1 or sda!
[15:16] <murlidhar> i thought it was typo
[15:16] <TJ-> if I check another device, it shows "Disklabel type: dos"
[15:16] <TJ-> I don't do command typos!
[15:16] <murlidhar> ok
[15:16] <TJ-> well I do, but I correct them :D
[15:17] <murlidhar> ok wait then
[15:17] <TJ-> I make it so you can copy/paste the commands
[15:17] <murlidhar> lubuntu@lubuntu:~$ sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda!
[15:17] <murlidhar> fdisk: cannot open /dev/sda!: No such file or directory
[15:17] <TJ-> well that makes sense, there is no sda!
[15:17] <TJ-> do "sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda" and see what it reports on the "Disklabel:" line
[15:18] <murlidhar> ok when i got that error i thought it must be sda1 . lol
[15:18] <TJ-> hheehehe wsee I do correct the typos eventuallu :D
[15:18] <TJ-> Sorry! :P
[15:18] <TJ-> My eyes are shot been at it for 10 hours
[15:18] <murlidhar> ook got something
[15:18] <murlidhar> long
[15:19] <TJ-> just the Disklabel line
[15:19] <murlidhar> its dos
[15:19] <TJ-> good, as we thought
[15:19] <TJ-> so, your problem is the installer will only boot in UEFI mode, but the current disk is configured only for BIOS/MBR boot mode and the PC won't boot the installer in that mode!
[15:19] <murlidhar> 8 partitions with 8GB as SWAP
[15:20] <TJ-> which reminds me; should we not put back that backup mbr from the USB!?
[15:20] <murlidhar> ah yes
[15:20] <murlidhar> we backed it up
[15:20] <murlidhar> :D
[15:22] <murlidhar> should i cancel this ?
[15:22] <TJ-> it would be good if we could get that diag MBR to show up... my bet is, if you can fix the BIOS boot mode the ISO would boot correctly (if we put the original sector back!)
[15:23] <TJ-> I've tested the ISO here in a virtual machine and it boots correctly in both modes
[15:23] <murlidhar> don't know why other distros didn't have trouble in booting and this one only does :|
[15:23] <murlidhar> funny thing is that i have lubuntu installed in sda10 already. older  version
[15:24] <TJ-> have you tried another ubuntu image, not just lubuntu? it may be something common to all the recent installer images
[15:24] <murlidhar> well antix and bodhi. both worked fine while installing. no issues
[15:24] <TJ-> can't you just do-release-upgrade in that lubuntu install?
[15:24] <murlidhar> even ubuntu mate
[15:24] <murlidhar> was installed before a week back
[15:25] <murlidhar> TJ-: i wanted lubuntu to be installed in sda1.
[15:26] <murlidhar> lubuntu was a trial installation . which is why it is installed at sda10 now
[15:28] <murlidhar> TJ-: ofcourse i can do-release-upgrade but then what baffles me is why only lubuntu is not working when even ubuntu mate worked seamlessly while installing
[15:29] <murlidhar> TJ-: anyways i will boot into bodhi right now . we did a backup .
[15:29] <TJ-> OK
[15:31] <murlidhar> TJ-: :)
[15:31] <murlidhar> back
[15:32] <murlidhar> TJ-: i have put the pendrive now
[15:32] <TJ-> OK, have you thought to test the USb does boot via a virtual machine?
[15:32] <murlidhar> i run with 4Gb ram
[15:32] <TJ-> that's more than enough
[15:32] <murlidhar> and its an old pc . 2010
[15:33] <murlidhar> the usb does boot.
[15:33] <murlidhar> just not for lubuntu
[15:33] <murlidhar> :|
[15:33] <murlidhar> pfft
[15:34] <TJ-> that's no problem the CPU will support hardware acceleration. you can test that with "journalctl -k | grep kvm"
[15:34] <TJ-> well that's what I mean - with a VM you can check there is no corruption
[15:34] <murlidhar> journalctl -k | grep kvm
[15:35] <TJ-> you should see some lines of the form "kernel: kvm: Nested Virtualization enabled"
[15:35] <TJ-> possibly different wording
[15:35] <murlidhar> Aug 15 21:00:33 murlidhar-desktop kernel: kvm: disabled by bios
[15:36] <TJ-> ahh, so not enabled in the BIOS setup. That is often the default on Intel CPUs for some reason, whereas AMD alsways has it enabled by default
[15:37] <murlidhar> ok
[15:37] <murlidhar> i will enable it then. i will work around it . no issues
[15:37] <murlidhar> brb
[15:46] <murlidhar> TJ-:
[15:47] <murlidhar> is it IGD DVMT ?
[15:47] <TJ-> errrm... don't think so. VT-X or something
[15:47] <TJ-> I think IGD is Intel Graphic Device
[15:47] <murlidhar> bleh
[15:48] <murlidhar> i couldn't find anything anywhere about kvm
[15:49] <TJ-> it won't call it KVM, that stands for Kernel Virtual Machine. Intel call it VT-x (Virtualisation Technology-eXecute
[15:49] <murlidhar> ok
[15:49] <murlidhar> should be in some sub menu ?
[15:49] <TJ-> I'd assume so, yes
[15:49] <murlidhar> anyways . ok will try looking for vt-x then
[15:50] <murlidhar> TJ-: if you are in telegram group then perhaps it could be easier
[15:50] <murlidhar> i can share photos . lol
[15:50] <murlidhar> anyways brb
[15:57] <murlidhar> TJ-: i have enabled for VT for Directed I/Q (VT-d)
[15:57] <murlidhar> says Intel VT for Directed I/Q (VT-d)
[15:57] <TJ-> hmmm, that's a separate option to VT-X but if you've got VT-d that implies VT-x must also be available!!
[15:58] <murlidhar> ok let me put the picture
[15:59] <TJ-> don't worry, that's enabled so you'll be fine, you can check from a terminal again
[15:59] <murlidhar> Aug 15 21:25:15 murlidhar-desktop kernel: kvm: disabled by bios
[16:00] <murlidhar>  journalctl -k | grep kvm
[16:00] <murlidhar> to this command
[16:01] <murlidhar> TJ-: https://ibb.co/P6mCs4t
[16:02] <murlidhar> TJ-: my family is waiting for me for the dinner.
[16:02] <murlidhar> i will have my dinner and then come back
[16:03] <murlidhar> tc all. laters
[16:05] <TJ-> murlidhar:  notice "Intel VT [Disable]"
[16:37] <murlidhar> TJ-: yes i have enabled both
[16:41] <TJ-> murlidhar:  the other one being the "Intel VT [Disable]" :)
[16:42] <murlidhar> yes i have enabled that as well
[16:43] <TJ-> do you have virt-manager installed (the GUI part of libvirt)  ?
[16:43] <murlidhar> murlidhar@murlidhar-desktop:~$ journalctl -k | grep kvm
[16:43] <TJ-> makes it easy to start a virtual machine
[16:43] <murlidhar> murlidhar@murlidhar-desktop:~$
[16:45] <murlidhar> never used a VM before but then there can always be the first time :)
[16:45] <TJ-> ls -d /sys/module/kvm*
[16:45] <TJ-> that should report a kvm-intel and kvm
[16:46] <murlidhar>  yes it did
[16:48] <TJ-> good. check if you have "virt-manager"
[16:48] <TJ-> should be able to install that package if not
[16:49] <murlidhar> don't think cuz it is bodhi. its a very lightweight one
[16:53] <TJ-> hmmm, thought it used the Ubuntu repos?
[16:53] <murlidhar> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-5.4.0-72-generic
[16:53] <murlidhar> I: The initramfs will attempt to resume from /dev/sda12
[16:53] <murlidhar> TJ-: it does
[16:53] <murlidhar> just that it is not installed by default
[16:55] <TJ-> oh, well yes, it isn't in Ubuntu either :)
[16:56] <murlidhar> i already know how lubuntu works. i tested out bodhi too. i felt more comfortable with lubuntu which is why i am getting it installed as my main distro
[16:57] <murlidhar> since i am running on old hardware i want something that is lightweight. the performance difference is there between lubuntu and bodhi but then it isn't my much
[16:57] <murlidhar> so why not use lubuntu instead :)
[17:00] <murlidhar> TJ-: there used to be a core version of ubuntu as well . ubuntu-core and ubuntu-server
[17:01] <murlidhar> you had to install some x-org packages something
[17:01] <murlidhar> to get GUI for the machine
[17:01] <murlidhar> way back before ubuntu unity came
[17:06] <TJ-> it all runs on Xorg unless it has a Wayland compositor
[17:07] <murlidhar> well wayland compositor came later
[19:01] <hello73> Im trying to boot a 2.4Ghz Core 2 Duo macbook into lubuntu, but im having trouble creating a disk image to boot into. I end up with 'no mountable file systems' error
[19:03] <tomreyn> hello73: older mac's can be more difficult to get working. if you know the exact model number (or the "late 20xx macbook something" description) that may help
 Can be the rufus? Rufus generated a many problems to me, when I used it to install a SO for my pc (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <biscuitbutter[m]>  * Hi, I'm having issues. Ethernet works during the live session, but after installation, ethernet no longer works. I'm running 20.04.2. These are my specs: https://www.cnet.com/products/dell-latitude-3150-11-6-pentium-n3540-4-gb-ram-500-gb-hdd/ My ethernet is Realtek PCIe GbE Family Cont
 *to my pc (re @VirtualRealityCookies: Can be the rufus? Rufus generated a many problems to me, when I used it to install a SO for my pc)
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/b662b201/file_3160.webp
 Never use rufus


 I'd like to ask you if you could help me with a couple of things:
[11:56] <dpm> 1) I'd like to have a bug bot in #ubuntu-translators
[11:57] <dpm> 2) If possible, I'd like the logs of #ubuntu-translators to be recorded at irclogs.ubuntu.com, as with the other teams
[12:49] <ubot2`> In #ubuntu-br, ursula_ said: !aptoncd is <reply>APTonCD é uma ferramenta com uma interface gráfica que permite que você crie um ou mais CDs ou DVDs com todos os pacotes que você baixou via apt-get ou aptitude, criando um repositório removível que você pode usar em outros computadores - veja também !offline
[13:31] <jpds> dpm: Gimme a sec.
[13:31] <dpm> jpds: great, thanks
[13:34] <jpds> dpm: Bug bot done.
[13:35] <jpds> dpm: for ubuntulog you'll have to poke IS at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:35] <dpm> jpds: thanks!
[13:36] <jpds> No problem.
[13:54] <jussi01> jpds: thanks for sorting that
[22:05] <m4v> D:
[22:16] <m4v> jussi01: did you look into -es access lists? at least +f for erUSUL would get us working
[22:19] <niko> m4v: ask in #ubuntu-irc please
[22:19] <m4v> I thought I did...
[22:19] <m4v> :P
[22:28] <Pricey> elky: Pici ^
[22:44] <Pici> Pricey: Could you add +f for erUSUL and m4v?
[22:44] <Pici> in #ubuntu-es
[22:45] <Pricey> Pici: sorted.
[22:45] <Pici> Pricey: Thanks
[22:49] <m4v> Pricey: thanks, can you do the same for #ubuntu-es-ops and #ubuntu-es-offtopic?
[22:50] <Pricey> Pici: elky ^
[22:50] <Pici> Pricey: thanks, can you do the same for #ubuntu-es-ops and #ubuntu-es-offtopic?
[22:50] <Pici> (also, gtrans.pl keeps translating Pici as
[22:50] <Pici> 'tiny')
[22:51] <niko> ahah
[23:31] <elky> Pricey, i already did this yesterday, in the presence of jussi01 and nalioth. if it got undone, then this needs more than just it being redone on a daily basis...
[23:32] <Pricey> elky: Where?
[23:33] <elky> Pricey, sec while i convert times
[23:33] <Pricey> 'where' is good enough, i'll /lastlog
[23:34] <elky> Pricey, here.
[23:35] <m4v> I asked erUSUL to remove the private flag in #ubuntu-es-offtopic, besides that p3l|c4n0 gave access in a horrible way, erusul is still without +f
[23:36] <Pricey> elky: aha I see. Well I assume it wasn't done.
[23:37] <Pricey> m4v: I don't think an Ubuntu GC has requested they get +f in that channel.
[23:37] <Pricey> oh wait, elky did use some ^^s above
[23:38] <elky> Pricey, i did to correct the spelling
 jussi01, can you +f ususul and m4v in -es please then?
[23:38] <Pricey> elky: I'll get them +f in -offtopic and -ops too now then. I don't think that was done either?
[23:39] <elky> Pricey, clearly not. i need to pack laptop and go battle traffic now.
[23:39] <Pricey> elky: But that is good to do?
[23:40] <elky> Pricey, yes, please do it.
[23:40] <Pricey> elky: thanks.
[23:40] <erUSUL> Pricey: elky thanks for sorting all this out; much apreciated
[23:42] <Pricey> elky: erUSUL m4v all sorted
[23:42] <elky> thanks.
[23:42] <erUSUL> ty


[00:01] <ahayzen> fazerlicourice, heh could be due to bug 1341671
[00:01] <ahayzen> hmm is there no bot in here?
[00:01] <ahayzen> https://bugs.launchpad.net/autopilot-qt/+bug/1341671
[00:02] <ahayzen> fazerlicourice, so it'd probably appear as the type 'Page' unless you add an extra property like we have here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~music-app-dev/music-app/trunk/view/head:/app/ui/Albums.qml#L47
[00:04] <fazerlicourice> ahayzen: the extra property being: objectName: "albumsPage"
[00:04] <ahayzen> no...
[00:05] <ahayzen> fazerlicourice, line50 'property bool bug1341671workaround: true' and the comment above
[00:06] <fazerlicourice> ahayzen, oh oops should've taken a closer look. But what interacts with that bool?
[00:07] <ahayzen> fazerlicourice, nothing, it just stops QML from optimising and then autopilot seeing it as the parent type
[00:07] <ahayzen> as described in that bug
[00:07] <fazerlicourice> ok
[00:10] <ahayzen> fazerlicourice, how are you ensuring the app thinks its in an empty state while you are testing?
[00:15] <fazerlicourice> I'm overriding the noMusic bool to true
[00:15] <fazerlicourice> ahayzen ^^
[00:15] <ahayzen> ok
[00:18] <ahayzen> fazerlicourice, you've checked its been shown when running $ qmlscene app/music-app.qml right? ;-)
[00:19] <fazerlicourice> yup, wait you're talking about the LibraryEmptyState PAge right?
[00:19] <ahayzen> yeah
[00:23] <fazerlicourice> yes, that I have checked
[00:23] <ahayzen> cool :-)
[00:23] <ahayzen> otherwise AP wouldn't be able to find it :-) so just wanted to check
[00:25] <krishna_ravi732> for the "Build the clock app and run all testsuites (https://codein.withgoogle.com/tasks/6208643527606272/)" it refers to "documentation"
[00:26] <krishna_ravi732> is there any specific format the documentation must be in?
[00:26] <wxl> no, krishna_ravi732
[00:26] <wxl> in fact you can just comment
[00:26] <krishna_ravi732> oh fantastic
[00:38] <krishna_ravi732> how detailed must i write the summary of steps?
[00:38] <krishna_ravi732> should i just describe the process in steps: "checkout source code from launchpad"
[00:38] <krishna_ravi732> or be more verbose: "checkout source code from launchpad by running `bzr branch lp:ubuntu-clock-app` in terminal"
[00:39] <wxl> i don't think that repeating the instructions is necessarily helpful krishna_ravi732 but on the other hand verbosity is never going to be a bad thing XD
[00:39] <krishna_ravi732> so which one do i follow? :D
[00:40] <wxl> well i intentionally left that to your discretion, but i would say go for the former
[00:41] <krishna_ravi732> ok, thanks alot
[00:41] <wxl> no problem
[00:41] <wxl> thank YOU
[00:47] <xcub_> kenvandine, whenever I try to assign the RectangleBoxBody component to the fixtures property of a physics entity, it gives me the error: Cannot assign object to list
[00:48] <xcub_> Circle, Edge, CircleBody work though
[00:49] <xcub_> and PolygonBody/Boundaries give me the same erros
[01:13] <krishna_ravi732> i am trying to follow the README.developers for the clock app, but there seems to be something wrong with my setup/paths
[01:13] <krishna_ravi732> and now i am stumped at the clock app needing a u1db module
[01:14] <krishna_ravi732> is there a package i must install that contains this module?
[01:22] <krishna_ravi732> Sorry, i have managed to solve it by installing qtdeclarative5-u1db1.0, but lots of modules are missing, i will further investigate this before bothering again.
[01:22] <McIntireEvan> Good luck
[01:24] <ExplodingKittens> Hey, I downloaded the latest image from the rc-proposed channel, and after logging in, all I'm greeted by is a black screen with the indicator bar (which is probably not what it's called) on top. I can interact with the indicators, but I cannot get to the left-side menu bar or get to the settings. Anybody else having this problem?
[01:27] <ahayzen> krishna_ravi732, check in the debian/control for the modules required to be installed :-)
[01:37] <krishna_ravi732> Ok, i am terribly sorry for asking so many questions, but i have finally managed to build and run the clock app
[01:37] <krishna_ravi732> but is it normal for me to manually install all the necessary qml modules by myself?
[01:38] <krishna_ravi732> or have i misread (or completely skipped reading) some specific steps required to build the clock?
[01:38] <adueppen> krishna_ravi732: It's fine to ask questions, we're all learning
[01:58] <xcub> kenvandine, I need help again
[02:31] <fazer> balloons, my task is to write a test case for the empty state in the music-app, I'm just checking if the LibraryEmptyState page is visible right? Under the circumstance that there aren't music file.
[02:43] <samdcbu> I have a question in general about Google Code-in. If I've submitted my task, but it looks like my mentor won't review it before the deadline, what happens?
[02:43] <adueppen> samdcbu: it'll still get reviewed, the deadline is just for submitting your work
[02:44] <samdcbu> Okay thanks!
[02:49] <fazer> does anybody know carla sella's user name>
[04:21] <darkxst> jose, can you publish https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/tasks/6430616060952576
[04:21] <jose> darkxst: sure let's check
[04:22] <jose> darkxst: good task - thanks! :)
[04:30] <darkxst> jose, np, hopefully there are students that know what a PPA is ;)
[04:31] <jose> good point, let's check
[04:31] <jose> the task describes it and googling would give a result quickly
[04:33] <darkxst> I suspect there will be some, we have had quite a few Ubuntu existing users completing our beginner tasks
[07:25] <Tofite> Looking for pages on the wiki that are out of date
[07:25] <Tofite> Best place to start the search?
[07:26] <darkxst> Tofite, https://codein.withgoogle.com/tasks/6590206979342336/
[07:27] <Tofite> Thanks
[07:28] <darkxst> not quite what you asked for, but a nice straightforward wiki task
[07:32] <darkxst> try convert the multiple level of pages into one table!
[07:53] <darkxst> Tofite, oh, you don't like that task?
[07:57] <darkxst> Tofite, I am one of the mentors on that one fwiw
[07:57] <Tofite> Sorry
[07:58] <Tofite> Just accidentally clicked "claim task"
[07:58] <Tofite> So I just decided I would abandon it
[07:59] <darkxst> Tofite, you should fix the page and claim it!
[08:03] <Tofite> Can I still do that if I've abandoned the task?
[08:04] <darkxst> not 100% sure, but think you can reclaim abondoned tasks
[08:07] <Tofite> Will try
[11:46] <darkxst> has the entire world been brainwashed to only use LTS releases?
[12:13] <DanChapman> darkxst, pretty much :-)
[12:29] <tsimonq2> o/
[12:29] <tsimonq2> jose: ping, permission to PM?
[12:32] <flocculant> darkxst: it's also been brainwashed into believing that testing isn't important and the next LTS just happens to appear magically ;)
[12:40] <tsimonq2> +1 ;)
[12:40] <tsimonq2> (my first LTS that I have contributed to)
[13:25] <nuboro> @popey  i would like to work on https://codein.withgoogle.com/tasks/4911452473262080/?sp-organization=4568116747042816
[13:34] <popey> hi nuboro
[13:35] <nuboro> hi popey
[13:35] <popey> nuboro, https://github.com/halfsail/Ubuntu-UI-Toolkit is a good tool for doing that in inkscape
[13:35] <popey> nuboro, but other tools like sketchup or something else is fine.
[13:43] <dcode44> i am new to source code building, where to get started..
[13:44] <dcode44> any1 dere
[13:45] <dcode44> \JOIN
[13:45] <dcode44> JOIN
[13:45] <dcode44> RESET
[13:53] <krishna_ravi73> I have managed to build the clock app and run all the tests, however it fails all 5 tests
[13:54] <krishna_ravi73> Is this normal, or am I doing something wrong? :(
[13:55] <krishna_ravi73> I read the README.mergeproposal and it reads: "Note: As of vivid 15.04, Autopilot are broken in trunk. As such autopilot failures
[13:55] <krishna_ravi73> can be excused until they are fixed in trunk.
[13:55] <krishna_ravi73> "
[14:02] <adueppen> popey: Have you had a chance to look over my task yet? (it's the tabbed terminal app UI one)
[14:02] <popey> adueppen, heya, no, will do shortly, thanks
[14:02] <adueppen> popey: OK thanks
[14:08] <adueppen> popey: I probably won't be able to answer any comments you leave on my task until around 4PM CST since I have school
[14:08] <popey> ok
[14:17] <mandarj> anybody there?
[14:21] <mandarj> ?
[14:33] <nuboro> popey shall i make it for all mobiles ?
[14:33] <popey> nuboro, Something which expands nicely for small form factor devices (like nexus 4), landscape tablets and desktops, sure.
[14:35] <nuboro> and  shall I make 3  of them ?
[14:35] <nuboro> popey ^^
[14:38] <popey> 3 would be awesome!
[14:38] <mandarj> anybody there?
[14:39] <mandarj> I need a GCI task to work on
[14:39] <mandarj> can somebody pls suggest one?
[14:41] <mandarj> popey: ^^
[14:42] <popey> hi!
[14:42] <mandarj> hi
[14:42] <mandarj> I need a GCI task to work on
[14:42] <popey> have you looked at the list?
[14:42] <mandarj> yeah
[14:42] <mandarj> am having a hard time deciding what I will be able to do
[14:42] <mandarj> I was going to do the ubuntu touch music app test cases
[14:43] <mandarj> but somebody else took it
[14:43] <mandarj> popey: ^^
[14:43] <popey> okay, well there's quite a few others to pick from :)
[14:44] <mandarj> yeah, but I can't decide which ones ill be able to do and which ones i wont
[14:49] <mandarj> popey: what exactly will i have to do in https://codein.withgoogle.com/tasks/6101781956263936/
[14:50] <mandarj> ?
[14:52] <popey> So, that's one of didrocks's ones. Basically the command "umake" has lots of options which you can see from "umake --help", but if you type "man umake" it says there is no "man page", so the goal of that one is to convert the help into a man page
[14:52] <popey> and do so in a way that it gets updated every time umake is built
[14:52] <popey> the source is at https://github.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-make
[14:52] <popey> hope that helps, didrocks knows more :D
[14:52] <mandarj> unmake or make?
[14:53] <mandarj> also, what language do I have to write the script in>
[14:53] <mandarj> \?
[14:53] <mandarj> popey: ^^
[14:53] <popey> it's "umake"
[14:53] <mandarj> oh k
[14:53] <popey> short for "ubuntu-make"
[14:53] <mandarj> and what language is the script supposed to be in
[14:53] <mandarj> ?
[14:54] <mandarj> popey: what language should the script be in?
[14:54] <popey> well, umake is written in python
[14:55] <mandarj> and will I have to clone the code for the whole OS to do this task?
[14:55] <popey> might need a bit of knowledge of debian packaging for it too.
[14:55] <popey> You'll need to ask didrocks for more details :)
[14:56] <mandarj> k thanks :)
[15:04]  * didrocks back
[15:04] <didrocks> thanks popey, good description :)
[15:04] <popey> \o/
[15:07] <nuboro> popey i will take the task later so i can learn a bit about inkscape
[15:23] <hiruandco> Hi, who do I talk to about the google code in tasks?
[15:26] <hiru> hello?
[15:27] <popey> hiru, ask away :)
[15:29] <xcub> kenvandine, I need help creating something
[15:29] <xcub> It's with the scoring mechanism
[15:32] <xcub> In Block.qml, I have created a box fixture and have it as a sensor. In onBeginContact, I want to send a signal to main.qml that a block has been hit so the score can be incremented
[15:34] <kenvandine> hey xcub
[15:34] <xcub> hello
[15:35] <kenvandine> ah, i think what you want to do is create a score property in the Scene
[15:35] <kenvandine> then bind to that in your Block
[15:35] <kenvandine> so before you destroy it, increment
[15:39] <xcub> So in the block component, I would create "property int score", then in main.qml I would bind it to main's score property? Would every component from then on be tied to main's score property?
[15:39] <kenvandine> xcub, http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtqml-syntax-objectattributes.html
[15:40] <kenvandine> other way around
[15:40] <kenvandine> create the property in the Scene, which i think is in your main.qml
[15:40] <kenvandine> then a property alias in Block.qml
[15:40] <kenvandine> xcub, look at property aliases in the doc i sent you
[15:41] <kenvandine> xcub, basically each Block created will reference the score defined in the Scene, and increment that single score property
[15:45] <hiru> Hey Alan! I do not know where to start with my project
[15:45] <hiru> Where do I aquire the music app
[15:48] <xcub> kenvandine: this off topic of the score mechanism, but I just wanted to let you know that whenever I assign a fixture to the RectangleBoxBody, or Boundaries, or PolygonBody components, qmlscene gives the error "cannot assign object to list"
[15:48] <kenvandine> oh
[15:48] <kenvandine> i think fixtures is a list of fixtures
[15:48] <xcub> The Box and Circle ones work fine
[15:48] <kenvandine> so [ Fixture {} ]
[15:49] <xcub> I tried to do that, but it gave the same error
[15:49] <kenvandine> actually [ Circle {} ]
[15:49] <kenvandine> hmm
[15:52] <kenvandine> xcub, can you create a issue for that?  https://github.com/Bacon2D/Bacon2D/issues
[15:54] <xcub> sure
[16:00] <kenvandine> xcub, thx
[16:04] <hiru> hello? Please may I have some help with my task?
[16:04] <darkxst> hiru, sure, but it would help if we knew what you need help with ;)
[16:09] <hiru> https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1261587
[16:09] <hiru> this is the bug that I'm trying to test
[16:09] <hiru> I'm a beginner so I have no clue what to do
[16:09] <darkxst> hiru, oh I can't help with autopilot, but there should be others around that can
[16:10] <hiru> I am familiar with python unittesting as I did a task for copyleft gaming which included testing a function
[16:10] <hiru> oh okay thanks for offering your help!
[16:10] <darkxst> hiru, or you could ask your mentor via the task comments
[16:10] <hiru> I tried. No reply since 8:00 am GMT
[16:11] <darkxst> hiru, who is it?
[16:11] <hiru> Carla Sella
[16:19]  * hiru slaps popey around a bit with a large fishbot
[16:19]  * popey pokes balloons
[16:19] <popey> ^
[16:19] <hiru> @popey hello?
[16:19] <popey> hello
[16:20] <popey> I'm not an autopilot expert I'm afraid. Hence poking balloons :)
[16:20] <hiru> Please may you help me with my task
[16:20] <hiru> oh okay
[16:20] <hiru> thanks
[16:20]  * hiru slaps balloons around a bit with a large fishbot
[16:20]  * DanChapman really doesn't get this whole slapping with fishbot business
[16:28] <balloons> lol
[16:28] <balloons> nonetheless, I'm here. What's up?
[16:39] <hiru> hey
[16:39] <hiru> I need help with my task
[16:39] <hiru> https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1261587
[16:39]  * hiru slaps balloons around a bit with a large fishbot
[16:40] <hiru> how do I actually do this?
[16:41] <subins2000> didrocks: I'm having trouble getting metacity branch from Bazaar
[16:41] <subins2000> didrocks: I'm reading section 3.2 http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/udd-intro.html#ubuntu-distributed-development
[16:45] <didrocks> subins2000: ah, I told you yesterday to ignore that part and only reading 3.1
[16:45] <didrocks> and replace the apt-get source with the dget -x <link I gave> :)
[16:46] <subins2000> So no bazaar
[16:46] <didrocks> (as you are not running xenial, apt-get source would download the metacity's wily version, not xenial)
[16:46] <didrocks> yeah, branches are often not up to date
[16:46] <didrocks> (the importers have issues)
[16:46] <didrocks> so most of people are just using apt-get source
[16:46]  * hiru slaps balloons around a bit with a large fishbot
[16:46] <didrocks> subins2000: same with 3.3 and 3.4, they are linked to "UDD" and bzr
[16:47] <darkxst> didrocks, did you forget about pull-lp-source ;)
[16:47] <didrocks> darkxst: hem, I'm probably too old to use it :p
[16:47] <subins2000> Okay
[16:48] <didrocks> darkxst: it was only looking if debian/control has a Vcs-Bzr field though, right?
[16:48] <didrocks> darkxst: that doesn't fix if the branch is outdated?
[16:48] <didrocks> (but maybe it's checking it nowdays?)
[16:48] <darkxst> didrocks, no it downloads that sources from the archive
[16:48] <darkxst> pull-lp-source <package> <series>
[16:48] <didrocks> oh, at some point in the past, it was switching to bzr if needed
[16:49] <darkxst> I've never seen it pull a bzr branch
[16:49] <didrocks> subins2000: so yeah, you can replace my dget -x command with pull-lp-source ^ (but the result will be the same)
[16:49] <subins2000> didrocks: So, I used dget got the source code
[16:49] <didrocks> good :)
[16:49] <subins2000> So, now I make the changes in code ?
[16:49] <subins2000> or use edit-patch command as in http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/fixing-a-bug.html
[16:50] <didrocks> subins2000: yeah! you need to use a patch system for this, the next chapters in the packaging guide explains a little bit about it
[16:50] <didrocks> subins2000: basically, you never do inline changes (it's a bad practice), so yeah, using patches as with the link you provided :)
[16:50] <subins2000> Ok
[16:51] <didrocks> subins2000: if you did it right, you will see your patch (once refreshed) in debian/patches/ directory (which doesn't exist right now in metacity)
[16:53] <subins2000> Hope I get it right
[16:54] <didrocks> subins2000: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/patches-to-packages.html is mostly a reashing of what you should do
[16:54] <didrocks> (your package is using quilt, which is now dominating most of the other patch systems we had to learn some years ago :))
[16:57] <subins2000> didrocks: What would I use instead of bzr builddeb -- -S -us -uc
[16:57] <subins2000> Since, I'm not using bzr branch, how would I build a test package
[16:59] <darkxst> debuild -S -us -uc
[16:59] <didrocks> (it's from the devscripts package)
[17:00] <didrocks> subins2000: so bzr bd/builddeb -> debuild
[17:00] <didrocks> (that will build the binary package, to ensure things build right, you can even install them on your system!)
[17:00] <didrocks> and yeah, all other options after -- are passed to "debuild" anyway
[17:00] <didrocks> -S is to build a source package
[17:01] <didrocks> that you can send to a ppa for instance (builders on launchpad, with your own private repository)
[17:02] <subins2000> It says "dpkg-source: error: aborting due to unexpected upstream changes, see /tmp/metacity_3.18.1-1ubuntu2.diff.hCUiWV
[17:02] <subins2000> dpkg-source: info: you can integrate the local changes with dpkg-source --commit"
[17:03] <didrocks> subins2000: so, it seems you didn't use quilt properly
[17:03] <didrocks> subins2000: it presents you doing inline changes
[17:03] <didrocks> prevents*
[17:03] <didrocks> (what it has detected here)
[17:03] <subins2000> I called edit-patch before editing
[17:03] <subins2000> *used edit-patch
[17:04] <subins2000> and no patches folder in debian
[17:04] <didrocks> been long I didn't try edit-patch, I hope it's still working (it's a wrapper)
[17:04]  * didrocks tries
[17:04] <didrocks> subins2000: the "real way" to do it is to follow the chapter I pointed you at: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/patches-to-packages.html
[17:04] <didrocks> this is using quilt directory
[17:05] <didrocks> directly*
[17:05] <didrocks> man, Friday evening, can't type! :)
[17:05] <didrocks> edit-patch returned an error here (because of no existing debian/patches/series file)
[17:05] <didrocks> I guess you had that error but didn't notice :)
[17:06] <didrocks> subins2000: my advice is really to follow 8.2. Adding a New Patch
[17:06] <subins2000> huh
[17:06] <didrocks> ensure you run export QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches
[17:06] <subins2000> okay, will use quilt
[17:06] <didrocks> that way, you are doing the "real thing"
[17:07] <didrocks> and don't rely on a wrapper which may fail (like in that case ;))
[17:07] <didrocks> subins2000: you need to start afresh
[17:07] <didrocks> remove the directory, dget -x again or pull-lp-source
[17:07] <subins2000> Let me click my refresh button :P
[17:07] <didrocks> ahah :)
[17:08] <Dacian> Hello, I have to do this task https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/4829562378649600/ and my question is if I can make a powerpoint with description of instalation
[17:11] <didrocks> subins2000: so, I need to leave shortly, if you need any help, I'm sure some other people can answer here, otherwise, we can check again together next week! I think what you should do once you get your patch applied is: 1. build the binary package (debuild) 2. if everything goes well, build a source package (debuild -S) 3. try to setup and upload that to a ppa 4. if you rock that far, attach a debdiff
[17:11] <didrocks> (look for debdiff!) to your launchpad bug report!
[17:12] <didrocks> subins2000: then, it will be a way for me to sponsor your first ever package to ubuntu ;)
[17:12] <didrocks> (and that's a really tear tour of fixing a bug and basic packaging practice!)
[17:13] <subins2000> WOW. Can't wait for my first ever package
[17:13] <subins2000> :-) Thanks
[17:13] <didrocks> yw! keep me posted :-)
[17:13] <didrocks> and good luck
[17:14] <subins2000> Thanks
[17:17] <balloons> hiru, what task is this for?
[17:17] <balloons> I thought fazer was working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1261587
[17:17] <balloons> regardless, you need to add a testcase to the existing autopilot test suite
[17:18] <ahayzen> balloons, note that test will likely be in a new file, due to it requiring different mocking
[17:19] <ahayzen> or at least a different test case class as it'll use a different test case mocking
[17:22] <balloons> hiru, for help on autopilot, what it is, etc, see https://developer.ubuntu.com/start/quality
[17:28] <samsruti> balloon can you suggest me any good free web hosting service
[17:28] <samsruti> ^balloons
[17:35] <balloons> weird, no highlighting
[17:36] <balloons> free web hosting.. bah, that's a loaded question. I don't think I can
[17:41] <samsruti> its ok
[18:33] <teddy74eva> Hello! Could anyone explain to me how to do a header on a wiki site?
[18:49] <Girish> What is a hardware profile on the QA website while performing tests on the Daily builds?
[18:51] <Girish> tsimonq2 ^
[18:52] <balloons> Girish, see the link at the top of the isotracker
[18:52] <balloons> it's an OPTIONAL thing you can do
[18:52] <balloons> "Click here for help on generating a hardware profile" https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Hardware
[18:53] <Girish> Okay thanks.
[18:55] <balloons> that might be a good task for someone to do on the tracker -- make that field clearer. You are NOT the first to ask Girish :-)
[18:56] <Girish> Yeah will be helpful if the link is provided on the same page.
[18:57] <Girish> Better user experience lead to more user engagement.
[18:58] <balloons> thanks for the feedback. I'll make sure a task gets written for it
[18:58] <Girish> And I'll make sure to take up the task haha
[20:52] <tsimonq2> Girish: balloons is head master QA guy, so feel free to ask him about that if I am not around. ;)
[22:13] <adueppen> balloons: I saw that you sent my task back? What work do I need to do on it?
[22:32] <fazer> Does anyone know which part of the music-app tests load the db's?
[22:32] <fazer> somewhere in this dir:http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~music-app-dev/music-app/trunk/files/head:/tests/autopilot/
[22:32] <fazer> somewhere in this dir: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~music-app-dev/music-app/trunk/files/head:/tests/autopilot/
[22:54] <fazer> nevermind, found it
[23:23] <robbert> hello there, can anyone tell me the nickname of Tim Lunn? :)
[23:29] <Girish> tsimonq2 : balloons : I am not able to boot into the Ubuntu GNOME ISO Xenial Daily. I'm using Virtual Box. When I load the ISO it asks for ubuntu-gnome login. Also, the screen constantly flickers.  It doesn't show the menu where we can select to start the live session or to install it.
[23:29] <tsimonq2> file a bug?
[23:29] <tsimonq2> balloons: what do you think?
[23:30] <wxl> did you try just hitting enter, Girish ? :)
[23:30] <Girish> How am I supposed to run all the test cases if I'm not able to get the initial boot screen?
[23:31] <robbert> hello there, can anyone tell me the nickname of Tim Lunn? :)
[23:31] <adueppen> does anyone know where balloons might be? I need some feedback from him
[23:31] <wxl> robbert: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimLunn
[23:32] <tsimonq2> adueppen: nope, he doesn't seem to be present
[23:32] <Girish> wxl: Yep.. Doesn't do anything. I can't get past the screen.
[23:32] <robbert> wxl: thank you! :)
[23:32] <adueppen> tsimonq2: have any idea when he'll be available again?
[23:32] <tsimonq2> adueppen: no clue whatsoever
[23:32] <wxl> Girish: is that the case with all of the images of ubuntu gnome? also are you sure you checked the md5 and such?
[23:32] <wxl> adueppen: he's usually on rather early
[23:32] <tsimonq2> adueppen: sorry
[23:33] <tsimonq2> +1
[23:33] <darkxst> robbert, its me!
[23:33]  * tsimonq2 gasps
[23:33] <wxl> darkxst: btw Girish seems to be having some problems with his GNOME images.
[23:34] <robbert> darkxst: hey Tim, and sorry again for the delay
[23:34] <adueppen> tsimonq2: what do you mean by rather early
[23:35] <tsimonq2> adueppen: in the day
[23:35] <wxl> adueppen: like he's usually been at it for a while when i wake up at 630 pacific
[23:35] <darkxst> Girish, what is you host system?
[23:35] <adueppen> tsimonq2 wxl: OK
[23:36] <darkxst> robbert, no problem, whenever you are ready
[23:36] <tsimonq2> ?
[23:37] <Girish> darkxst: OS X. Should I try it in a different OS?
[23:38] <wxl> Girish: did you check the md5 of the iso?
[23:38] <Girish> wxl : Nope. What is md5?
[23:39] <wxl> !md5
[23:39] <tsimonq2> wxl: no. bot.
[23:39] <tsimonq2> :(
[23:39] <tsimonq2> wxl: do you know how we could get a bot?
[23:39] <adueppen> Girish: it's a type of hashing that is often used to make sure something downloaded correctly
[23:40] <tsimonq2> Girish: To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see  http://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[23:40] <tsimonq2> that is what the bot would say
[23:40] <Girish> tsimonq2: Okay thanks. Let me give it a look.
[23:41] <darkxst> Girish, try that ^ first, but it possibly sounds like a graphics issue
[23:42] <wxl> darkxst: vm tho
[23:42] <darkxst> wxl, vbox has rubbish graphics drivers
[23:43]  * wxl shrugs
[23:43] <darkxst> (well when 3D is enabled)
[23:43] <wxl> i never had an issue
[23:43] <tsimonq2> me neither
[23:44] <darkxst> wxl, tsimonq2 ubuntu GNOME uses openGL for both the greeter and gnome-shell
[23:48] <Girish> Where can I find the md5 value for this ISO? I've calculated the md5 of my file.
[23:49] <wxl> Girish: link me to the page you got the image from
[23:49] <Girish> Yep, just a sec
[23:49] <darkxst> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/current/
[23:49] <Girish> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/351/builds/108521/downloads
[23:50] <wxl> great
[23:50] <wxl> see the link that says MD5 checksums?
[23:50] <darkxst> Girish there is an md5 file in that folder above, look in that
[23:51] <Girish> Yea, the MD5 is correct on my side.
[23:56] <darkxst> There is something weird with the current daily image, its booting straight into the Live session here (No Try Ubuntu GNOMES screen)
[23:58] <Girish> It's stuck at this screen: http://postimg.org/image/mjrzq6eqv/
[23:58] <wxl> looks like this is a problem lubuntu is having, too
[23:58] <darkxst> Girish, is 3D accelleration enabled in the VM settings?
[23:59] <darkxst> wxl, ubiquity is crashing
[23:59] <wxl> there have been lots of bugs with plymouth themes; maybe related?
[23:59] <xcub> hi kenvandine


[03:03] <tarelerulz> You ever just install Ubuntu to find it broken?
[03:05] <joelcrump> perhaps unsupported hardware or something?
[06:25] <ducasse> good morning
[06:27] <TJ-> g'morning :)
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> morning TJ-
[20:51] <Wh1teR0se_404> hello guys how are you doing?
[20:57] <akem> Hey. Doing ok.


[09:57] <ochosi> brainwash: the screen-blanking happens only on the lock-event and was specifically added to provide screensaver-like functionality. we'll see whether we can do a dpms-off call instead of the blanking, that'd leave the monitor switched off (as happens during the VT switch), resulting in "lock > blank > dpms off" instead of the current "lock > blank > dpms off > blank"
[10:27] <ochosi> pleia2, knome: we could work around the slow submission page in the wiki by moving the "accepted submissions" to a separate page, what do you think?
[10:27] <knome> ochosi, if you think that's needed
[10:27] <ochosi> (accepted submissions being those that 1) don't violate our guidelines and 2) have all the necessary information, incl. license)
[10:27] <ochosi> not sure, it's just a pain to use atm
[10:28] <knome> the worst thing is seeing which attachments are not linked
[10:28] <knome> (that's relatively quick from the wiki's side)
[10:28] <knome> otherwise i don't see a problem
[10:28] <knome> (except that maybe we would like to organize the photos differently when we are deciding about them)
[10:35] <ochosi> ok, let's wait whether submissions stop flowing in
[10:36] <knome> if they don't, well, then it's probably not too awful to submit stuff to the wiki :)
[10:43] <ochosi> yeah, but it also gets increasingly annoying to check the new submissions with a bad connection like mine...
[10:43] <knome> well the "problem" is not actually in the wiki
[10:44] <knome> it's because people upload 5MB images, then the wikimarkup jus stretches them to 250px wide images
[10:44] <knome> if you want to help making the submissions page faster, we should simply tell people to upload a 250px wide preview-image
[10:44] <knome> (and possibly the original file, but not link that; or, upload the original file to another wikipage or service)
[10:53] <slickymaster> good morning all
[10:53] <knome> morning slickymaster
[10:53] <ochosi> morning slickymaster
[10:54] <ochosi> knome: not sure, sounds quite elaborate
[10:54] <slickymaster> ochosi, knome, morning
[10:55] <slickymaster> knome: not sure if we did saw this http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/11/15/%23xubuntu-devel.html#t14:53
[10:55] <slickymaster> if you ^ª^
[10:56] <knome> i did
[10:56] <slickymaster> elfy, did you by any chance tried to install today's daily build? I got this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1252205
[10:56] <slickymaster> knome, any ideas?
[10:59] <knome> slickymaster, sounds like a possible ubiquity problem
[10:59] <knome> eg. not a xubuntu-specific one
[10:59] <slickymaster> knome: yeah, that I know, but I was asking regarding https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-docs/+bug/1251332,
[11:00] <knome> aha :)
[11:00] <knome> umm,
[11:00] <slickymaster> knome: :)
[11:00] <knome> ask balloons what he thinks
[11:01] <slickymaster> okie dokie, I'll do it
[11:01] <knome> ta
[11:01] <knome> i'll follow up if needed
[11:02] <slickymaster> knome: I'll report you any away
[13:02] <knome> bbl
[14:06] <brainwash> will the xfce packages get updated/synced soon in trusty?
[14:07] <brainwash> the 4.12 PPA does not offer packages for trusty yet
[14:30] <ochosi> hi micahg_mobile :)
[14:32] <micahg_mobile> Hi, i hope my crazy work schedule is done for the time being so i can get back to Xubuntu
[14:40] <brainwash> ochosi: so the blanking change does reduce the amount of flicker/screen backlight weirdness on your system?
[14:41] <ochosi> micahg_mobile: that sounds nice!
[14:41] <ochosi> brainwash: yeah, well it's as i described before > blank > dpms off > blank
[14:42] <ochosi> it's hard to imagine that a single X call would slow down the switching to the greeter noticeably
[14:43] <brainwash> dpms off ?
[14:43] <ochosi> dpms is the power-management of the screen
[14:43] <ochosi> means, not just blank, but switched off
[14:44] <brainwash> I know that
[14:44] <brainwash> but why?
[14:44] <ochosi> the dpms off happens during the VT switch
[14:44] <ochosi> it's out of our hands
[14:44] <brainwash> oh
[14:45] <ochosi> ok, so explaining again: screensaver-timeout > blank screen (3s or so) > dpms off (VT switch 1sec) > blank screen (until the user touches mouse or keyboard)
[14:48] <brainwash> so the screen should be blank after screen lock?
[14:48] <ochosi> yeah
[14:48] <ochosi> as with xscreensaver
[14:48] <brainwash> o.o
[14:48] <ochosi> or any screensaver
[14:49] <brainwash> not here, I lock the screen manually and the greeter is visible
[14:49] <ochosi> are you using the latest revision of the greeter?
[14:49] <ochosi> or the daily PPA
[14:50] <brainwash> Installed: 1.6.1+146+97~ubuntu13.10.1
[14:51] <ochosi> should work with that one
[14:51] <ochosi> (i'm still on 1.6.1+145, but the last commit was for the language menu)
[14:52] <ochosi> and you lcok with "light-locker-command -l"?
[14:52] <brainwash> yes
[14:52] <ochosi> what version of light-locker?
[14:52] <brainwash> Installed: 1.0.0+2111+4~ubuntu13.10.1
[14:53] <ochosi> ok, you're testing on saucy though, not trusty right?
[14:53] <ochosi> cause so far i've only tested saucy
[14:53] <brainwash> saucy
[14:53] <ochosi> strange strange
[14:53] <ochosi> should work
[14:53] <brainwash> it's the intel based system
[14:53] <ochosi> no wonder you didn't notice an improvement then...
[14:54] <ochosi> well the code isn't very graphic card specific
[14:54] <ochosi> it's a general X call
[14:54] <ochosi> or xlib to be exact
[14:54] <brainwash> so it most likely blanks the screen and unblanks it immediately
[14:55] <ochosi> what does "xset q" tell you about the screen saver?
[14:56] <brainwash> http://lpaste.net/95860
[14:56] <ochosi> (oh, and i assume you don't use any weird lightdm-version, right?)
[14:56] <ochosi> could you try this:
[14:57] <ochosi> xset s 600
[14:57] <ochosi> and then lock the screen
[14:58] <ochosi> i guess if blanking is completely disabled forcing the screensaver might not work
[14:59] <brainwash> negative, the strange thing is that locking the screen blocks keyboard shortcuts in vt7
[14:59] <brainwash> when I return back
[14:59] <brainwash> might be related
[15:00] <ochosi> yeah, that seems fishy
[15:00] <ochosi> but i wouldn't know what it's related to tbh
[15:01] <brainwash> I'll test it on my trusty test system too, not sure if the screen blanks on this system or not
[15:01] <brainwash> most likely it does not either
[15:02] <brainwash> the pc is currently in use :/
[15:02] <ochosi> did you check again after doing xset s 600 with xset q to see whether blanking is now enabled?
[15:02] <brainwash> yes, no change
[15:02] <ochosi> that's weird
[15:02] <ochosi> then obviously the whole test didn't do anything
[15:02] <brainwash> we need 1-2 more testers :)
[15:03] <ochosi> as long as blanking is disabled, i wouldn't expect it to work
[15:03] <ochosi> well we simply need to switch on blanking for you
[15:03] <ochosi> then it should work
[15:05] <brainwash> xset s 2 blanks the screen after 2 sec
[15:06] <ochosi> ok
[15:06] <ochosi> then light-locker should automatically take you to the lock-screen
[15:06] <ochosi> unless you edited the desktop file or the update didn't change it for some reason
[15:06] <brainwash> I mean it blanks the current x session after 2 sec, not the new one created by light-locker
[15:07] <brainwash> I'm still a bit confused, maybe I'll understand the problem after doing some more testing
[15:08] <ochosi> and xset q tells you that the blanking-value is changed too?
[15:08] <brainwash> timeout:  600    cycle:  0
[15:09] <brainwash> but this does not affect vt8, right?
[15:10] <ochosi> ah, hm, that's probably true
[15:10] <ochosi> i guess we have to find out how to set this value so that it gets remembered
[15:10] <ochosi> for all x sessions
[15:10] <ochosi> probably with sudo, but i'm not sure
[15:11] <brainwash> via lightdm maybe?
[15:12] <ochosi> no, lightdm respects the global default values for X afaik
[15:12] <brainwash> yes, I mean an interface to change them via lightdm
[15:15] <ochosi> ah, hm, not sure
[15:15] <ochosi> anyway, i'll have to investigate this later or tomorrow
[15:16] <ochosi> my first instinct would be to run xset with sudo and then restart and see whether the values stuck
[15:16] <ochosi> (normal xset isn't remembered)
[15:16] <ochosi> if you have a custom xorg.conf, check that for configuration
[15:34] <brainwash> ochosi: same for my trusty/AMD system, the screen unblanks immediately and reveals the greeter
[15:35] <slickymaster> knome: ping
[16:46] <slickymaster> bbl
[16:51] <brainwash> ochosi: ok, found the culprit
[16:51] <brainwash> ochosi: the issue is related to bug 1251431
[16:53] <brainwash> the background gets set twice, and the screen is forced to blank twice also, maybe there is something wrong a hint or flag
[16:54] <brainwash> setting the background another time might also reset the state
[16:56] <brainwash> (calling the root surface function)
[20:41] <ochosi> brainwash: tbh i don't think that's related
[20:42] <ochosi> bbl
[20:43] <brainwash> ochosi: works for me
[20:43] <brainwash> if only the background specified in the conf file gets displayed or the user one
[20:45] <brainwash> but calling the root surface function twice unblanks the screen
[20:49] <brainwash> ochosi: btw can you triage the linked lp report please?
[21:06] <knome> lderan, or, we should rather discuss that here :)
[21:06] <lderan> sounds good to me
[21:07] <knome> lderan, aha, so basically: the vote results are shown newest-first in the wiki output
[21:07] <knome> would make more sense if they were chronological top-down
[21:07] <lderan> sounds easy enough to do
[21:07] <knome> yep
[21:07] <knome> just a small thing i didn't notice until we had loads of votes in the last meeting :)
[21:08] <lderan> :P
[21:08] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings/Archive/Minutes/2013-11-14 for a real life example
[21:10] <lderan> okay, just need to reverse the items. shall do so now
[21:11] <lderan> shall also make a commit and poke the alan some more with the new changes
[21:12] <knome> :)
[21:12] <knome> ta
[21:13] <lderan> no problemo


[18:13] <nhandler> I added a section to the system docs for karmic about adding a PPA to /etc/apt/sources.list. Do you think we should update that section to suggest using add-apt-repository (which lets you do sudo add-apt-repository ppa:nhandler/ppa), which also takes care of downloading the key for the PPA