[18:15] <bobweaver> vooze:  try  to install from the website
[18:15] <bobweaver> then dpkg -i   it
[18:15] <vooze> bobweaver: okay, so remove the the old one first?
[18:15] <bobweaver> vooze:  just a thought no garentys
[18:15] <guntbert> bobweaver: he can add a repository there too
[18:15] <bobweaver> vooze:  no
[18:16] <bobweaver> guntbert:  Cool
[18:16] <bobweaver> guntbert:  add apt-repostiory <name of repo >   ?
[18:17] <guntbert> bobweaver: instructions are on the website
[18:17] <christoffer> Does anyone know the correct OpenID link if I want to use my launchpad account for another site? (https://launchpad.net/~username doesn't seem to work for me)
[18:17] <tcpa252> HEllo boys and gals
[18:17] <guntbert> vooze: if you need support for virtualbox you can ask in #vbox
[18:18] <bobweaver> guntbert:  sweet it is deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian oneiric contrib
[18:18] <Caboose885> tcpa252: hi there
[18:18] <Statesman> Hello? Anybody online?
[18:18] <guntbert> bobweaver: :)
[18:18] <Statesman> Oh good. :)
[18:18] <guntbert> Statesman:  Do you have an ubuntu support question?
[18:19]  * bobweaver says to guntbert you sir are awesome :>)
[18:19] <Statesman> I've got more of a location question. Lol
[18:19] <Statesman> Anybody here from North Carolina?
[18:19] <Antaranian> hi ladies
[18:19] <bobweaver> Statesman:  no I why ???
[18:20] <Statesman> I'm trying to find a LUG, but I can't find one. =(
[18:20] <guntbert> !ot | Statesman
[18:20] <bobweaver> Statesman:  look online
[18:20] <Statesman> Oh okay. Thanks!
[18:20] <bobweaver> Statesman:  also look for hackerspaces
[18:20] <Antaranian> what is the best way to upgrade from 9.4 to 11.10
[18:20] <Antaranian> ՞
[18:20] <Antaranian> ?
[18:20] <ActionParsnip> quit
[18:20] <Gentoo64> clean install
[18:20] <Caboose885> Antaranian: clean install
[18:21] <Caboose885> Gentoo64: :D
[18:21] <luis_> clean install
[18:21] <Antaranian> clean install
[18:21] <Gentoo64> its the clean install virus
[18:22] <Caboose885> Antaranian: Are you even sure if the computer will support 11.10?
[18:22] <bobweaver> Antaranian:  back up back up back up 1st
[18:22] <hwilde> how to stop iphone automount but allow other devices to automount?  a udev example would be nice maybe?  don't just say udev rules.
[18:23] <Antaranian> actually the problem is that here I don't (I can't) have any usb disks or cds plugged
[18:23] <Gentoo64> can you use fstab for iphne?
[18:23] <Gentoo64> if so, noauto?
[18:23] <Caboose885> Antaranian: how did you originally install the OS then?
[18:23] <bobweaver> Antaranian:  remastersys and ubuntu 1 ??
[18:23] <bobweaver> for back uip
[18:23] <Huey_> I've just upgraded from 11.04->11.10 on a gateway netbook.   Several things are broken:  1.  It doesn't recognize my keyboard properly (e.g., xev shows the up arrow as print); 2.  The dm ignores the options for other sessions (e.g., gnome classic [yes I installed gnome-panel].   No matter what I select I end up in unity.
[18:24] <Antaranian> Caboose885: it was more than 2 years ago, before I leave for army
[18:24] <bobweaver> Huey_:  ubuntu fallback ?
[18:24] <Huey_> bobweaver: what do you mean?
[18:24] <jiru> Hola!!
[18:25] <Reaper> try typing the password, then selecting gnome classic, then hit enter.
[18:25] <bobweaver> Huey_:  http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/gnome-session-fallback
[18:25] <Reaper> it worked for me.
[18:25] <Antaranian> Caboose885: war changes everything, no I have not cd-rom and usb sticks :) is there any option ?
[18:27] <pp7> Huey_: upgrades work fine for very few
[18:27] <Gentoo64> Antaranian: you could just try upgrading
[18:27] <pp7> Huey_: try reinstalling from scratch
[18:27] <Huey_> Reaper: it doesn't change anything here
[18:28] <bobweaver> Huey_:  have you install fallback ?
[18:28] <Antaranian> I'm getting something like "You can't upgrade to ... with this tool" when I use Synaptic Update manager
[18:28] <Reaper> Huey_ thats about all I got for ya lol
[18:28] <Huey_> bobweaver: not as far as I know
[18:28] <tcpa252> guys, is it possible that system uses swap, although in /etc/sysctl.conf "vm.swappiness" param is set to 0?
[18:28] <bobweaver> Huey_:  sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback
[18:28] <Gentoo64> tcpa252: yes
[18:29] <Gentoo64> tcpa252: 0 means it only uses it if necesary
[18:29] <tcpa252> Gentoo64: oh, ok. Misunderstood the meaning of 0, though it was not to be used at all :D
[18:29] <Huey_> bobweaver: the latest version was installed
[18:30] <bobweaver> try to remove and install again
[18:30] <Linuxlainen> hi, I'm running ubuntu 11.10 and I want to get red of GUI interface (natty, gdn..)
[18:30] <Gentoo64> tcpa252: you'd have to remove the swap partition
[18:30] <bobweaver> Huey_:
[18:30] <Linuxlainen> how can I do that
[18:30] <TimRiker> I'm looking for a daemon process that will accept iptables forwarded tcp connections (not just http) and redirect them though an http-connect proxy. (not a socks proxy). suggestions? redsocks does this, but apparently not yet packaged for ubuntu. http://darkk.net.ru/redsocks/
[18:30] <lesshaste> when I try to play a video I get something that looks like http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/215/screenalx.png
[18:30] <Gentoo64> Linuxlainen: install the server
[18:30] <lesshaste>  any idea what is wrong?
[18:30] <michael_mbp> any sendmail experts about?
[18:30] <Gentoo64> lesshaste: on the whole screen? or just the video
[18:30] <tcpa252> Gentoo64: nah, I'm fines with it, was asking just because saw swap being used in htop
[18:30] <Gentoo64> ok
[18:30] <bobweaver> Huey_:  also reconfigure gdm or what every desktop manager you are using would not hurt
[18:31] <michael_mbp> or knowledge how mail daemons work?
[18:31] <lesshaste> Gentoo64: just the vid
[18:31] <Gentoo64> lesshaste: what player is it?
 I don't want to make fresh install
[18:31] <||arifaX> michael_mbp: I would recommend you just ask the question
[18:31] <lesshaste> Gentoo64: mplayer
[18:31] <farhad2161> :-D
 I already have my machine set with what  want
[18:31] <michael_mbp> sure.
[18:31] <Gentoo64> lesshaste: have you tried with different outputs? vo=x11 etc... what graphics card do you use
 I tried rcconf but it didn't work
[18:32] <Huey_> bobweaver: I thought 11.10 uses lightdm?
[18:32] <lesshaste> Gentoo64: yes... x11 works. xv does not
[18:32] <Gentoo64> lesshaste: nvidia card?
[18:32] <bobweaver> Huey_:  it does that is why I said "whatever desktop manager that you are using "
[18:32] <michael_mbp> When mails sent out, the receiving server does a reverse look I presume - what ports need to be open on the server sending out the mail?
[18:32] <michael_mbp> I'm getting Connection refused by all mail servers
[18:32] <Huey_> bobweaver: is there a tool to configure it?
[18:32] <bobweaver> Huey_:  do you know how to reconfigure ?
[18:33] <LucidGuy> Made the jump to 11.10 .. and umm ... HATE IT!  Even Gnome-Classic is quirky .. get all these odd panels at the top.  What is everyone else doing?
[18:33] <Huey_> bobweaver: nope
[18:33] <lesshaste> Gentoo64: onboard ATI Technologies Inc RS480 [Radeon Xpress 200G Series]
[18:33] <michael_mbp> probably because the server sending the mail is behind our corp. firewall.  I need to NAPT whatever ports that need to be opened for the reverse look up.
[18:33] <Gentoo64> lesshaste: use vo=x11 if it works
[18:33] <Linuxlainen> any suggestions?
[18:33] <bobweaver> Huey_:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[18:33] <lesshaste> LucidGuy: lubuntu :)
[18:33] <michael_mbp> right now, it's fully sealed off from the web.
[18:33] <lesshaste> Gentoo64: :) that's slow
[18:33] <bobweaver> Huey_: or what ever desktop you are using
[18:33] <michael_mbp> |||arifaX thoughts
[18:33] <Gentoo64> lesshaste: yeah, but it could be the graphics drivers im not sure
[18:34] <LucidGuy> lesshaste, Does Canonical manage lubuntu?
[18:34] <Reaper> lucidguy mostly going back to 11.04
[18:34] <lesshaste> Gentoo64: ok.. how do I tell whicj driver I am using exactly?
[18:34] <lesshaste> LucidGuy: yes
[18:34] <Gentoo64> lesshaste: did you install the "additional drivers" thing?
[18:34] <Gentoo64> if not then itd be the kernel default driver
[18:34] <lesshaste> err... I can't remember :(
[18:34] <LucidGuy> Have you all had the same experience? .. what a mess.  Very very unhappy.
[18:35] <LucidGuy> Is Lubuntu making any progress over xubuntu?
[18:35] <bobweaver> LucidGuy:  no I am verry happy besides the perl update
[18:35] <lesshaste> LucidGuy: xfce?
[18:35] <lesshaste> that's what linus t uses
[18:35] <||arifaX> michael_mbp: the target server might reverse-lookup what is behind the @ and then checks if the ip-address you send the mail from is the correct mx for it.
[18:35] <Gentoo64> lesshaste: try running glxinfo | grep render
[18:35] <Gentoo64> should say the card and if opengl is in use
[18:35] <LucidGuy> I want the power user simplicity of xfce . .but I also like a little eye candy.
[18:36] <Gentoo64> LucidGuy: kde? idk
[18:36] <bobweaver> LucidGuy: kubunntu ??
[18:36] <prakas> they should have set XFCE as the default DE instead of GNOME 3
[18:36] <michael_mbp> |||arifaX the issue is I did setup a MX
[18:36] <LucidGuy> What are you guys using?
[18:36] <michael_mbp> but the mail was send from foo.bar.org
[18:36] <Gentoo64> openbox
[18:36] <prakas> and unity*
[18:36] <Reaper> I got gnome classic to work
[18:36] <michael_mbp> and there is a MX for bar.org with a different ip
[18:36] <lesshaste> Gentoo64: direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)
[18:36] <bobweaver> LucidGuy: I have 4 diferent desktop installed on 11.10
[18:36] <lesshaste> OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on ATI RS480
[18:36] <Reaper> if not, i would have went back to 11.04
[18:36] <bobweaver> sorry 5
[18:37] <michael_mbp> what port does it try connecting to on the MX IP though?
[18:37] <LucidGuy> hmmm ..
[18:37] <Huey_> bobweaver: dpkg-reconfigure didn't help
[18:37] <michael_mbp> does it just reverse look up, or ping or something?
[18:37] <LucidGuy> what to do .. what to do.
[18:37] <Gentoo64> lesshaste: try checking the additional drivers from the system settings screen, if there are none i think vo=x11 would be as good as youll get
[18:37] <prakas> Reaper how to make gnome classic work in 11.10
[18:37] <Gentoo64> LucidGuy: try livecds see what you like
[18:37] <bobweaver> Huey_:  you have unitstalled fallback and reinstalled it with purge ?
[18:37] <LucidGuy> I can't believe Ubuntu is pushing Unity on everyone .. what were they thinking
[18:37] <||arifaX> michael_mbp: it does a nslookup for an mx record of that domain
[18:38] <Gentoo64> LucidGuy: i personally think gnome 3 is the best looking de
[18:38] <||arifaX> michael_mbp: whats the public domain name
[18:38] <lesshaste> Gentoo64: where exactly?
[18:38] <Gentoo64> lesshaste: try in terminal typing jockey-gtk
[18:38] <prakas> gnome 3/unity are fail
[18:38] <Linuxlainen> OK I got it
[18:38] <Gentoo64> i think thats what its still called
[18:38] <Linuxlainen> I had to remove lightdm, that was all
[18:38] <Linuxlainen> I hope :P
[18:38] <bobweaver> Gentoo64: yes but will need gksudo
[18:38] <Atharva> !notunity | prakas
[18:38] <LucidGuy> I can adapt to pretty much any one of them .. I just want to choose something that the masses are going to use in the future, and I find it hard to believe Unity will be the way of the future.
[18:38] <Gentoo64> Linuxlainen: yeah if you remove the login manager itll revert you to  a term
[18:38] <Reaper> prakas its kind of a crap shoot, some get it to work and some dont
[18:39] <Huey_> bobweaver: I did apt-get remove followed by apt-get install
[18:39] <michael_mbp> public domain is our corporate domain
[18:39] <lesshaste> Gentoo64: cool.. none
[18:39] <Gentoo64> LucidGuy: xfce gnome3 and kde will be the normal ones (and are the normal ones)
[18:39] <bobweaver> Huey_:  try sudo apt-get --purge remove  <name>   && sudo apt-get installl <name >
[18:39] <prakas> i think i will install gnome-panel
 you are saying that lightdm is only for loging manager?
[18:40] <Gentoo64> lesshaste: not much you can do tbh. maybe one day upgrade the card if you can, nvidia uses vdpau its fast
 how can I get red of the unit all in all then?
[18:40] <LucidGuy> Gentoo64, Im thinking XFCE .. but concerned about all the reviews stating its not as lightweight as it looks...  lxde seems lighter
[18:40] <||arifaX> michael_mbp: try your domain here: http://www.mxtoolbox.com/
[18:40] <lesshaste> Gentoo64: :(
[18:40] <Gentoo64> LucidGuy: theyre both light. xfce is more bloated than lxde
[18:40] <lesshaste> Gentoo64: it's clearly a problem with the radeon driver.. it used to work many upgrades ago
[18:40] <Gentoo64> LucidGuy: but i though you wanted at least some eye candy? xubuntu is pretty nice tbh
[18:40] <michael_mbp> ah I have
[18:41] <michael_mbp> yea hte ip's are different
[18:41] <michael_mbp> that MX record points to the Exchange server
[18:41] <michael_mbp> (as that's the MX set for the TLD)
[18:41] <michael_mbp> as in bar.org
[18:41] <goshawk> hi
[18:41] <Gentoo64> lesshaste: it probably is. im really not sure about ati stuff
[18:41] <goshawk> i can't link people on empathy
[18:41] <michael_mbp> but I'm sending mail out from foo.bar.org
[18:41] <goshawk> does anyone have a solution
[18:41] <lesshaste> k
[18:42] <TimRiker> hmm... netcat does not do it. anyone recommend a simple daemon to do the equivalent of this? nc -k -l 8124 -X connect -x proxy:80
[18:42] <michael_mbp> doing a reverse MX on foo.bar.org gives the right address but what you're saying is it only does a reverse look up on bar.org
[18:42] <LucidGuy> Shall I try installing xubuntu-desktop .. Dont you all find installing multiple desktops gets messy?
[18:42] <Gentoo64> LucidGuy: i would find it annoying
[18:42] <michael_mbp> hence the two IPs don't match and boom denied
[18:42] <Gentoo64> LucidGuy: you can clean install...
[18:42] <LucidGuy> Gentoo64, as in Xubuntu you mean.
[18:42] <||arifaX> michael_mbp: it asks the responsible dns-server if it has an mx record for the domain of the email-senders email-address
[18:42] <Huey_> bobweaver: unless I need a reboot the --purge didn't help
[18:42] <Gentoo64> LucidGuy: yea
[18:42] <LucidGuy> I know Linux uses xfce . .but what distro does he use it ontop of?
[18:42] <michael_mbp> so I'll have to set the domain as a smart host?
[18:43] <LucidGuy> Linus .. not linux
[18:43] <michael_mbp> and relay mail though?
[18:43] <bobweaver> Huey_:  ls /etc/gdm/
[18:43] <Gentoo64> LucidGuy: he probably uses whatever...
[18:43] <Gentoo64> why copy him?
[18:43] <LucidGuy> Gentoo64, just curious
[18:43] <fremapesua> Hello everyone
[18:43] <bobweaver> Gentoo64:  +100
[18:43] <Scunizi> Where do I find the Md5 for the 32bit desktop version of 11.10?  It's not on the download page anywhere that I can see.  I'd like to compare before burning yet another cd.
[18:43] <bobweaver> !md5sum | Scunizi
[18:43] <LucidGuy> Ill give Xubuntu-desktop a try ...
[18:44] <LucidGuy> probably break it even more.
[18:44] <Gentoo64> LucidGuy: good idea. i tried the livecd and it is nice
[18:44] <Gentoo64> nice for xfce
[18:44] <Linuxlainen> guys, any idea where is the tty1 file located in 11.10? it is not under /etc/events.d/
[18:44] <||arifaX> michael_mbp: I think we have the problem now, maybe you ask in a specific channel about the details?
[18:44] <LucidGuy> And Canonical is fully responsible for Xubuntu?  I just want to keep on supporting Ubuntu/Canonical
[18:44] <prakas> LucidGuy: i heard linus uses fedora + XFCE
[18:45] <Gentoo64> LucidGuy: they all are afaik
[18:45] <LucidGuy> prakas, rpm vs apt .. eww
[18:45] <Scunizi> bobweaver, thanks .. the UbuntuHashes pages was what I was looking for.
[18:45] <Huey__> bobweaver: ls /etc/gdm
[18:45] <Huey__> Init/	    PostSession/  Xsession*    gdm.schemas
[18:45] <Huey__> PostLogin/  PreSession/   custom.conf
[18:45] <Gentoo64> prakas: you hear him using different stuff all the time...
[18:45] <michael_mbp> sure thanks
[18:45] <bobweaver> !pastebin | Huey_
[18:45] <prakas> Gentoo64 yes
[18:45] <Scunizi> bobweaver, except... 11.10 isn't listed.. just 11.04 and previous.. :(
[18:45] <Tadpole> Is it okay to ask technical questions here?
[18:45] <Gentoo64> prakas: he prob doesnt have a desktop he prob just sees how stuffs going lol
[18:46] <prakas> yes
[18:46] <Huey__> bobweaver: for what it's worth:  ls /etc/lightdm/
[18:46] <Huey__> lightdm.conf  unity-greeter.conf  users.conf
[18:46] <LucidGuy> Another annoying behavior of Unity .. when alt tabbing it only displays app groupings .. not each window .. .uuuurrrrrrrgggggggg
[18:46] <prakas> otherwise he could have made a decent desktop environment like gnome classic
[18:46] <prakas> he doesn't do any work most probably
[18:46] <Tadpole> I've upgraded to 11.10 and dolphin-emu doesn't work any more
[18:46] <venluckey> hello all
[18:46] <Tadpole> it says it needs libavcodec52
[18:46] <Gentoo64> LucidGuy: honestly i think youd like xfce. xubuntu is just as nice as gnome 2
[18:46] <meowsus> So, I just had to rebuild my desktop (new mobo, processor, memory) and I was going to just reinstall Ubuntu Oneiric on it. It has a segregated /home partition. Can i just wipe the / partition and reinstall the system there? Will Ubuntu recognize that I already have a home directory and not overwrite it?
[18:46] <Tadpole> i've got 53 installed but can't seem to apt-get 52
[18:47] <Gentoo64> meowsus: yes
[18:47] <bobweaver> Huey_:  umm.... when was last time updared ? and what is kerenl     >>uname -a
[18:47] <Gentoo64> meowsus: just wipe / and leave /home as it and choose manual partitions on install
[18:47] <denysonique> Gentoo64: nice to see a ricer in this channel
[18:47] <bobweaver> updated *
[18:47] <Tadpole> How can I manually install libavcodec52?
[18:47] <meowsus> Gentoo64, killer
[18:47] <LucidGuy> Gentoo64, Just hate to walk away from Ubuntu...  its been such a great experience.
[18:47] <Gentoo64> meowsus: you might wana backup some /etc/stuff if you edited it
[18:47] <dirtycookie1> hi i have freshly installed ubuntu, and i have added gedit-plugins. i have noticed that the embedded-terminal plugin has a way to big font-size. how can i change that?
[18:47] <zmbmartin> anyone else have issues with banshee just quitting randomly?
[18:48] <Gentoo64> LucidGuy: if you hate it what can you do. xuubntu is still ubuntu
[18:48] <meowsus> Yeah, I've got lists and some stuff in /opt too i'll back up
[18:48] <venluckey> yes i have in the past
[18:48] <Linuxlainen> Please some help in here
[18:48] <prakas> i was wondering why ubuntu doesnt come with VLC preinstalled and why the Media Player that doesnt play even mp3
[18:48] <Linuxlainen> where can I find ttyX files
[18:48] <meowsus> It booted just fine, but it's not recognizing the memory upgrade and its not running 11.10 so I figured I'd just do a fresh install
[18:48] <Scunizi> bobweaver, here's the link.. buired off another link http://releases.ubuntu.com/oneiric/MD5SUMS
[18:48] <Linuxlainen> they used to be in here /etc/events.d/
[18:48] <Huey__> bobweaver: 3.0.0-13-generic (updated yesterday ca 12:00 noon EDT)
[18:48] <denysonique> Is it possible to make the unity dock minimize programs, when I click an already opened application?
[18:48] <Gentoo64> prakas: some licence thing i think
[18:48] <Linuxlainen> but in 11.10
[18:48] <bobweaver> Scunizi:  you should tell the bot that
[18:48] <prakas> um
[18:48] <Gentoo64> prakas: why would it come with vlc? its crap
[18:48] <bobweaver> Huey_:  upgrade and restart anything ?
[18:49] <prakas> it plays anything
[18:49] <Gentoo64> attempts to play
[18:49] <Gentoo64> anything
[18:49] <Huey__> bobweaver: I've done that as of this morning
[18:49] <venluckey> im running xubuntu 10.04, it wants to upgrade to 10.10, is it worth it?
[18:49] <Scunizi> bobweaver, I try but .... it's like talking to a wall :)
[18:49] <bobweaver> do again have you updated and upgraded after re-install ???
[18:49] <Gentoo64> venluckey: go for it
[18:49] <prakas> venluckey: no not worth it
[18:49] <meowsus> I might try Lubuntu instead, just for fun
[18:49] <Huey__> bobweaver: yes
[18:49] <Gentoo64> venluckey: i doubt xfce will have as many problems as gnome unity etc
[18:50] <venluckey> im running the dread dell 910
[18:50] <Tadpole> How can I manually install libavcodec52?
[18:50] <bobweaver> Huey_:  try with kdm
[18:50] <Gentoo64> meowsus: youll probably end up staying with it
[18:50] <bobweaver> work ?
[18:50] <Huey__> bobweaver: I'll try again
[18:50] <LucidGuy> Gentoo64, Sure .. but isnt Xubuntu community based/supported .... Ubuntu is more Canonical controlled?
[18:50] <bobweaver> Huey_:  try with kdm gdm ect
[18:50] <bobweaver> find one that works
[18:50] <Gentoo64> LucidGuy: tbh i have no idea. its all the same core system just a different desktop
[18:50] <Randolph> hi all
[18:50] <sal_> hi there anybody can helpme?
[18:50] <Randolph> I actually work on ufw
[18:50] <meowsus> Gentoo64, It doesn't use Gnome, but i assume all my Gnome apps are compatible. Unity has been a nightmare for me recently
[18:50] <venluckey> yeah i get my updates from Canonial
[18:51] <bobweaver> Huey_:  I have 5 desktop installed and kdm works great
[18:51] <Gentoo64> meowsus: yeah you can put any stuff on any de
[18:51] <Randolph> on ubuntu server that act as a gateway
[18:51] <LucidGuy> Gentoo64, for example .. will they have all the same packages?  Are there repo servers the same ones as ubuntu?
[18:51] <Gentoo64> meowsus: some people just dont like having a load of gnome / kde deps on light de/wms
[18:51] <Polah> prakas, Ubuntu doesn't ship with support for MP3 and some other formats due to legal reasons. It's the same with a lot of systems.
[18:51] <venluckey> i installed xubuntu from terminal, all my apps moved over too
[18:51] <prakas> venluckey: you can grab the .iso it will be less in download size than if you will upgrade
[18:51] <fremapesua> Hello everyone
[18:51] <Randolph> when I enable ufw there is no outgoing traffic from my lan to wan
[18:51] <prakas> Polah ok
[18:52] <sal_> ehy guys someone can help me
[18:52] <sal_> ?
[18:52] <Gentoo64> LucidGuy: xfce comes with different set of default programs. the software centre should be the same
[18:52] <Test001> hello, i have a question. Im trying to print the characters inside the files from a determinated directory. However, ls -1 | wc --chars --files0-from=- doesnt work, cuz uses ls output as a single file. Any idea?
[18:52] <venluckey> im using school server, i thiunks Linux boes are backbones of it, no restrictions in bandwith
[18:52] <fremapesua> Nice
[18:52] <LucidGuy> brb .. going to try to switch to the xfce desktop ....
[18:52] <Randolph> Impossible to enable outgoing traffic
[18:52] <meowsus> Gentoo64, the new processor is a quad core and i have 8gbs now. I figure Lubuntu will be ridiculously fast. Maybe I can start even editing video! Haha
[18:52] <sal_> how can i save streaming from rhytmnbox?
[18:52] <Randolph> any idea ?
[18:52] <Gentoo64> meowsus: yeah. i use openbox on quad core
[18:52] <tripelb> Hi - I want to make a USB boot disk for this Macbook - have the iso, have the disk, have terminal on this tiger mac, have a webpage of instructions ( http://www.proposedsolution.com/howto/howto-macosx/create-bootable-usb-thumb-drive-iso/ ) but late last night it wasnt working so I went to sleep for clearer thinking today. -- Anyone good to help me?
[18:52] <pollo> i need helo with heroes of neweth in xubuntu 11.10
[18:52] <bobweaver> Test001:  sed ??
[18:52] <Randolph> I try every i could do
[18:53] <Gentoo64> meowsus: you want the ram + cpu for apps not the de lol
[18:53] <meowsus> Gentoo64, true!
[18:53] <Test001> bobweaver what do you mean ?
[18:53] <venluckey> i use the text based disc creator, it seems to have less problems
[18:53] <Huey_> bobweaver: rebooting didn't help.   How do I switch the display manager?
[18:53] <fremapesua> tritripltripelb as far as I know, u can't boot up ubuntu system on a Mac using a USB...
[18:54] <bobweaver> Huey_:  yes try that try kdm
[18:54] <Randolph> nobody knows how to setup ufw on a gateway ?
[18:54] <Huey_> bobweaver: how?
[18:54] <venluckey> ha, ha, I have done it many times, you have to fool the Mac into doing it though
[18:54] <bobweaver> ohh sorry
[18:54] <bobweaver> Huey_:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[18:54] <meowsus> Are there other, small de's for ubuntu other than Xubuntu and Lubuntu?
[18:54] <bobweaver> Huey_:  this will also give you kde desktop
[18:54] <bobweaver> plasma
[18:54] <LucidGuy> Gentoo64, so far soo good .. lets see if I can get compiz features working
[18:55] <venluckey> for me, my system is small (64 SSD) and 2 gig memory, dell mini 9, the xubuntu is perfect
[18:55] <Gentoo64> LucidGuy: not sure about all that. xfce has its own comp manager
[18:55] <ActionParsnip> bobweaver:
[18:55] <huggy-bear__AWAY> meowsus: http://linuxgazette.net/106/murray.html
[18:55] <Gentoo64> LucidGuy: i never use xfce though so dont know a load about it
[18:55] <Huey_> bobweaver: let me try gdm 1st.   How do I set that up?
[18:55] <venluckey> i dont think you could get much smaller de
[18:55] <ActionParsnip> Not plasma-desktop
[18:55] <Randolph> I enable outgoing traffic but I can not do wget to WAN or telnet on port 80
[18:55] <bobweaver> Huey_:  if you have install fallback mode then it should be installed
[18:55] <Gentoo64> venluckey: openbox is smaller. mine uses 80mb ram
[18:56] <venluckey> Wow
[18:56] <Gentoo64> for the whole comp
[18:56] <meowsus> huggy-bear__AWAY, thanks!
[18:56] <ActionParsnip> venluckey: or fluxbox
[18:56] <Huey_> bobweaver: I have gdm and lightdm installed, but it uses the latter
[18:56] <huggy-bear__AWAY> meowsus: http://linuxgazette.net/160/okopnik.html
[18:56] <venluckey> i need to look into that, i have a system that has 256 mem
[18:56] <bobweaver> Huey_: sudo dpkg-reconfigure   <name of desktop>
[18:56] <prakas> the 1st work that i did on my xfce installation was to remove the rat icon on the xfce button
[18:56] <Gentoo64> lol same when i tried it
[18:56] <Linuxlainen> cone on guys, will some one help me out in here
[18:57] <venluckey> ok,im upgrading...Crossing fingers
[18:57] <prakas> rat was annoying
[18:57] <prakas> the icon
[18:57] <Gentoo64> little gutter rat
[18:57] <Linuxlainen> I just need to know where are ttyX files located in 11.10
[18:57] <ActionParsnip> Linuxlainen: wassup?
[18:57] <sal_> how can i save streaming from rhytmnbox?
[18:57] <Huey_> bobweaver: tried that.  It shows lightdm and gdm, but since my arrow keys don't work, I cant change the setting
[18:57] <prakas> they should have made a cute hamster or a chipmunk instead
[18:57] <Gentoo64> prakas: xfce has a plain X icon that looks better
[18:57] <bobweaver> Huey_:  try tab
 any idea where can I find ttyX files in ubuntu 11.10
[18:58] <bobweaver> spacebar ect..
[18:58] <prakas> um
[18:58] <ActionParsnip> Linuxlainen: could use:  sudo find / | grep tty
[18:58] <Gentoo64> Linuxlainen: /dev
[18:58] <venluckey> I thinks i have a bad vid card, when i try to install any Ubuntu distro, it only shows half the screen
[18:58] <Huey_> bobweaver: that works, but it never goes to the gdm entry (lightdm and <OK>)
[18:58] <Linuxlainen> thank you both
[18:59] <Gentoo64> Linuxlainen: if you wana find something use the find command
[18:59] <yoga> When I run Stardict, it does not show up on the menu bar, how do I run it that menu bar, and then close the window?
[18:59] <Gentoo64> find / -name tty5
[18:59] <LemonAid> If i log in while my network cable is plugged in Ubuntu automaticly enables my wired connection. If i plug the cable only after i log in, the connection is not enabled. How do i enable it from the terminal ?
[18:59] <bobweaver> Huey_:  are you sure that you installed gnome-session-fallback ?
[19:00] <Huey_> bobweaver: several times
[19:00] <Gentoo64> LemonAid: i think its /etc/init.d/networking start
[19:00] <bobweaver> cool
[19:00] <huggy-bear> LemonAid: You can try: sudo /etc/init.d/network-manager restart  <--- That usually helps me.
[19:00] <ActionParsnip> yoga: can you drag it from dash?
[19:00] <ezrafree> how can i determine if a command is running in a bash script?
[19:00] <bobweaver> Huey_:  try kdm
[19:01] <yoga> ActionParsnip: no, I cannot.
[19:01] <ActionParsnip> ezrafree: look at the parent PID. If it is the PID of your script, you know where it came from
[19:01] <OnNomNom> hello all, i am new and need some help please
[19:01] <huggy-bear> ezrafree: ps -A | grep name_of_command
[19:01] <bobweaver> Huey_:  sudo apt-get install kdm   <-- worked but had to find depencies
[19:01] <OnNomNom> can anyone please help me out
[19:02] <OnNomNom> i am in urgent need of help
[19:02] <Gentoo64> OnNomNom: ask then
[19:02] <ActionParsnip> Yoga: does it have a dash entry though?
[19:02] <Gentoo64> troll
[19:02] <LemonAid> huggy-bear: thank you, that did the trick. Restarted my wireless connection as well though. Will check to see if i can do it without restarting that. Again, thanx !
[19:02] <venluckey> bye
[19:02] <Huey_> bobweaver: the install takes me back to the dpkg-reconfigure kdm and the problem with tab remains (I have a kdm option, but can't select it)
 I tried the find command, but I am ending with the wrong files, at least it seems like it :(
[19:02] <Huey_> bobweaver: isn't the dm a one line entry in a file somewhere?
 I am trying to reach tty1 file that used to be located under events.d
[19:02] <OnNomNom> yes, i installed Ubuntu via Wubi and when i restarted my computer Ubuntu has started up, now how do i switch back to Windows?
[19:02] <tolmun> aohi
[19:03] <OnNomNom> im sorry i mean Wibu
[19:03] <yoga> ActionParsnip: How to add stardict to tha dash entry?
[19:03] <bobweaver> Gentoo64:  Please dont feed the trolls they are nice to watch but like bears they belong in the wild or in a zoo :>)
[19:03] <Gentoo64> Linuxlainen: find / -name tty1 will find exactly the name tty1. try adding starts like find / -name *tty1* for anything including the name
 I'm editing that file to auto start an application I have on my box
[19:03] <ActionParsnip> OnNomNom: reboot
[19:03] <ezrafree> huggy-bear: thanks, but i am trying to start "gnome-panel" if it's not already running
[19:03] <huggy-bear> LemonAid: Sorry. I think you should read the network manager documentation: /usr/share/doc/network-manager/, also: man networkmanager
[19:03] <Linuxlainen> basically I need to add this line there exec /sbin/getty 38400 tty1
[19:03] <bobweaver> Huey_:  all things are files it linux :>)
[19:03] <OnNomNom> ActionParsnip: ok, and if i ever want to use Ubuntu again?
[19:03] <sudoaptkill> is it bad im chatting on fedora?...
[19:03] <sudoaptkill> lol
[19:03] <huggy-bear> ezrafree: then you should make an if statement that checks whether gnome-panel is running (with ps) and then acts accordingly
[19:03] <LemonAid> huggy-bear: will do !
[19:04] <Gentoo64> sudoaptkill: yes
[19:04] <sudoaptkill> lol
[19:04] <sudoaptkill> sorry gentoo
[19:04] <ActionParsnip> Yoga: you'll need a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications to run it. You can copy an existing file and edit
[19:04] <Gentoo64> Linuxlainen: what are you trying to acieve btw
[19:04] <agentgasmask> Hi all. Does anyone know what version of Adobe PDF the files that are created with the "print to file" option are compatable with?
[19:04] <OnNomNom> ActionParsnip: After going back to Windows, how do i switch over into Ubuntu again?
[19:04] <ghostnik11> can a person on ubuntu 11.10 get compiz features while in gnome 3 or is that a no, no?
[19:05] <Gentoo64> OnNomNom: it should dual boot, you should be able to chose at start
[19:05] <OnNomNom> Gentoo64: thank you very much.
 I want to add the this command in tty1 file "exec /sbin/mingetty --autologin uname tty1" for auto launch of xbmc
[19:05] <Gentoo64> OnNomNom: try it
[19:05] <ghostnik11> like you know the switching of opened program using tab and alt, like we could do with compiz in ubuntu 8.10
[19:05] <yoga> ActionParsnip: Let me try.
[19:05] <ActionParsnip> OnNomNom: reboot and select windows
[19:05] <ezrafree> huggy-bear: yeah, that's what i'm trying to do...
[19:05] <huggy-bear> agentgasmask: not sure, but I think it must be PDF 1.5 or something
[19:06] <OnNomNom> ok thank you...
[19:06] <bobweaver> Huey_:  up and down arrows are not workibng ?>
[19:06] <Gentoo64> Linuxlainen: hmm ask in #bash if you get no answers here im not sure about that
[19:06] <bobweaver> working *
[19:06] <OnNomNom> thank you guys, btw, how do i view the files from windows c drive in Ubuntu
[19:06] <huggy-bear> ezrafree: google for bash tutorials. just learn the if statement and you should be ok
[19:06] <OnNomNom> i can see them
[19:06] <OnNomNom> and how can i bring windows programs into ubuntu
[19:06] <bobweaver> Huey_:  is you num lock on ?
[19:06] <Gentoo64> OnNomNom: in the file manager. ubuntu come swith ntfs stuff built in
[19:06] <ezrafree> huggy-bear: this is what i have so far, http://pastebin.com/XJPYt1fi
[19:06] <ActionParsnip> Yoga: if you copy an office app, it will fall in the same category. You need to change name, comment, icon and exec
[19:07] <ezrafree> huggy-bear: i tried googling prior to asking in here, as i always do :)
[19:07] <Gentoo64> OnNomNom: but you cant see ext4 (ubuntu files) from windows, theres a driver but its bad
[19:07] <OnNomNom> so how do i go about it?
[19:07] <Gentoo64> you cant
[19:07] <OnNomNom> im sorry i dont know what i am doing.
[19:07] <Huey_> bobweaver: re numlock, no
[19:08] <OnNomNom> i mean how do i find files in windows c drive
[19:08] <Gentoo64> ext2read is a program that can (sort of) read ext4 drives
[19:08] <OnNomNom> here on ubuntu
[19:08] <Gentoo64> OnNomNom: go in the file manager and click the windows drive
[19:08] <Gentoo64> and the files will show upo
[19:08] <bobweaver> Huey_:  up and down arrows not working ?
[19:08] <OnNomNom> how do i go into file manager
[19:08] <yoga> ActionParsnip: /usr/share/applications/stardict.desktop already exist?
[19:08] <OnNomNom> all i see is dash and a couple of programs
[19:08] <OnNomNom> and thats all
[19:08] <OnNomNom> i dont know where to look
[19:08] <Gentoo64> OnNomNom: should be in the app list
[19:08] <OnNomNom> i am used to the windows layout
[19:08] <dirtycookie> hi i have freshly installed ubuntu, and i have added gedit-plugins. i have noticed that the embedded-terminal plugin has a way to big font-size. how can i change that?
[19:08] <Huey_> bobweaver: correct
[19:09] <bobweaver> Huey_:  with dpkg-reconfigure <name of desktiop>
[19:09] <Gentoo64> OnNomNom: might be called nautilus
[19:09] <bobweaver> Huey_:  that is odd
[19:09] <bobweaver> real odd
[19:09] <Huey_> xev shows wrong keyevent
[19:09] <ActionParsnip> OnNomNom: unless the app is extremely portable it won't run in Ubuntu. You can access all your files in windows via the /host folder. If you only have one NTFS partition you won't need any extra config
[19:09] <systemclient> Sometimes when I log into my 11.04 Gnome 2, it looks pretty crappy: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/10/25/gnome-panel_old_look.png Any reason for this?
[19:09] <Gentoo64> OnNomNom: oh you want to run the windows stuff in ubuntu? i thought you meant just view the files
[19:09] <Ragnarock> 1
[19:09] <Ragnarock> 1
[19:09] <Ragnarock> 1
[19:09] <Ragnarock> 1
[19:09] <Ragnarock> 1
[19:09] <FloodBot1> Ragnarock: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:09] <p1ruj3> hey can i define which bus to have a usb device use? I thought it was port specific but it keeps init'ing to bus 1 no matter which port I plug into...
[19:10] <ActionParsnip> Yoga: hmm. Weird. Look at another, it may need to be told to show in your desktop
[19:10] <OnNomNom> Gentoo, can i please private chat
[19:10] <OnNomNom> i cant keep up with all this chat scrool
[19:10] <Ragnarock> hi
[19:10] <Gentoo64> OnNomNom: ok
[19:10] <bobweaver> Huey_:  try this      gnome-terminal --working-directory ~ -e bash -lc "sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm ; sleep 12 & bash "
[19:10] <Ragnarock> hi
[19:10] <Ragnarock> hello
[19:11] <Greg-beagle> hi
[19:11] <ActionParsnip> OnNomNom: in a terminal run:  ln -s /host ~/Windows
[19:11] <p1ruj3> http://paste.ubuntu.com/719092/
[19:11] <ActionParsnip> OnNomNom: makes life easier
[19:11] <yoga> ActionParsnip: I want it to show up the the dash at the top of the screen when it runs.
[19:12] <Ragnarock> help me plz
[19:12] <ActionParsnip> Yoga: dash is on the side. Do you mean the panel at the top?
[19:12] <yoga> ActionParsnip: you mean the stardict.desktop does that?
[19:12] <Ragnarock> hello boys ?
[19:12] <yoga> ActionParsnip: ah, yes the panel.
[19:13] <p1ruj3> anyone have any ideas?
[19:13] <yoga> ActionParsnip: I didn't know it's call the panel.
[19:13] <asir_> comerme el prepucio
[19:13] <OnNomNom> damn, Gentoo has left..
[19:13] <ActionParsnip> Yoga: maybe it doesn't sing with global-menu
[19:13] <Ragnarock> help me plaz
[19:13] <OnNomNom> anyone know how to start the file manager in ubuntu please
[19:13] <OnNomNom> ?
[19:13] <Huey_> bobweaver: looks like gdm will work--I just needed to reboot
[19:13] <bobweaver> omni_:  nataluse
[19:13] <MustardCU> OnNomNom, just start "nautilus"
[19:13] <asir_> how can i view if my pc can use RAID ?
[19:13] <mierdoso> hola ?????????'
[19:13] <bobweaver> not spelled right
[19:14] <Gentoo64> OnNomNom, sory
[19:14] <asir_> que pasa mierdoso
[19:14] <OnNomNom> i have the latest version, 11.10
[19:14] <yoga> ActionParsnip: When I star qstartdict the qt version of stardict it show up in the panel.
[19:14] <mierdoso> aqui mamonazo+
[19:14] <OnNomNom> and i dont see nautilus
[19:14] <asir_> comes muchas mierdas o que ?
[19:14] <ActionParsnip> OnNomNom: there will be a folder icon at the top of the bar on the left. Click that
[19:14] <meowsus> Gentoo64, one more question. My AMD Phenom II X4 965 is 64-bit (i'm pretty sure), should i install Lubuntu 64bit? Or is 64bit linux not really up to snuff?
[19:14] <mierdoso> ya ves, como tu que no te cambias ni el nick
[19:14] <mierdoso> mierdoso
[19:14] <Gentoo64> meowsus, 64 bit linux is fine
[19:14] <Gentoo64> its good
[19:14] <MustardCU> OnNomNom, press Alt-F2 and type in "nautilus"
[19:14] <bobweaver> OnNomNom:  open terminal and type that in
[19:14] <asir_> tengo los huevos muy gordos
[19:14] <ActionParsnip> meowsus: grab 64bit and you'll be ok
[19:14] <Gentoo64> do you not need nautilus --no-desktop for gnome 3?
[19:14] <yoga> ActionParsnip: I expect stardict should integerate with the gnome nicely.
[19:15] <bobweaver> Huey_:  it is working now ?
[19:15] <_spt_> OnNomNom : read the manual https://help.ubuntu.com/
[19:15] <meowsus> Okay, I'm on it!
[19:15] <huggy-bear> ezrafree: Were you the one with the bash question? I think I have it:
[19:15] <meowsus> Thanks guys
[19:15] <huggy-bear> ezrafree: http://paste.debian.net/139824/
[19:15] <ActionParsnip> yoga: i use neither so can't really comment. Are there bugs reported?
[19:16] <p1ruj3> anyone know how to statically assign bus for a usb device?
[19:16] <Huey_> bobweaver: still not--now selecting gnome-classic (no effects)  dones't start any panel or wm.    I guess I have to start them from my gnome-session-properties?
[19:17] <ActionParsnip> p1ruj3: why would you want to? It all goes to the same usb subsystem
[19:17] <Gentoo64> p1ruj3, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/udev-rules-and-usb-bus-626900/
[19:17] <bobweaver> Huey_:  this is with gdm ?
[19:17] <yoga> ActionParsnip: where do I check the bugs report?
[19:17] <sysadm_> org.eclipse.swt.SWTError: No more handles [Could not detect registered XULRunner to use]
[19:17] <sysadm_> help me
[19:18] <Huey_> bobweaver: yes
[19:18] <Gentoo64> p1ruj3, not sure if thats what your after actually
[19:18] <p1ruj3> ActionParsnip usb to usb file transfer pulling 12 mbit, want to see if I can move one device to a seperate bus and have that transfer speed be more around 20-24
[19:18] <Ragnarock> help me to
[19:18] <Ragnarock> drive ubuntu nvidia
[19:18] <Gentoo64> Ragnarock, what do you mean
[19:18] <ActionParsnip> Yoga: run: ubuntu-bug stardict   report your bug. If it already exists you'll see it
[19:19] <bobweaver> Ragnarock:  open termminal and type in gksudo jokey-gtk
[19:19] <sysadm_> driver nvidia just download at nvidia website
[19:19] <Gentoo64> it should be in the driver bit in ubuntu
[19:19] <ActionParsnip> gksudo jockey-gtk
[19:19] <ActionParsnip> sysadm_: why?
[19:20] <bobweaver> thhanks ActionParsnip my spelliing is real bad :>)
[19:20] <Gentoo64> no need to be installing stuff manually
[19:20] <p1ruj3> ActionParsnip right? in theory it's sharing bandwidth between those devices on the same bus/hub
[19:21] <devinus> does anybody know of a free ebook on beginning unix/linux i can link to a friend?
[19:21] <ActionParsnip> sysadm_: the packages not only mean users don't need to kill X to install but they are also updated as the packages are updated too
[19:21] <ActionParsnip> !manual
[19:21] <bobweaver> devinus:  the c programs bible jk
[19:21] <ActionParsnip> sysadm_: so why use the nvidia site?
[19:22] <sysadm_> what card u used
[19:22] <tripelb> infinii, hi. doesnt matter if you are not here.I asked today in #macosx  The Mac-boys told me that the SD boot wont work.  I'm going to go double-check with the genius bar.
[19:22] <sysadm_> nvidia nvs 295
[19:22] <bobweaver> devinus:  http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide
[19:22] <splic> Hello, I changed a user's UID from 'System -> Administration -> Users and Groups' and they no longer appear on the login menu, how do I add them back? (On 10.04 LTS)
[19:23] <ActionParsnip> sysadm_: there is even a ppa with the 285 driver which is good for insanely new chips..
[19:23] <ActionParsnip> sysadm_: why use nvidia's site?
[19:23] <Gentoo64> 285 supports 6 series up afaik
[19:24] <bobweaver> ActionParsnip:  what is repo for that ?
[19:24] <ActionParsnip> Gentoo64: works on my 6150LE
[19:24] <TorbenBeta> Is the syntax for BashScripting quite similiar to C?
[19:24] <Huey_> bobweaver: starting things by gnome-session-property doesn't quite work (apps don't dock to the panel notification area properly, probably becuase they start before the panel.  How do I creat a proper user-defined session for the dm?
[19:24] <ActionParsnip> bobweaver: xorg edgers updates (less fresh, more stable)
[19:25] <p1ruj3> Huey_ gnome-panel doesn't bring itup?
[19:25] <bobweaver> ActionParsnip:  thanks that is awesome !!!!
[19:25] <ActionParsnip> sysadm_: would you kindly answer my question please?
[19:25] <Huey_> p1ruj3: no, I'm starting the panel and the apps from gnome-session-properties
[19:26] <TorbenBeta> !patience
[19:27] <bobweaver> Huey_:  it is crazy that hte up and down button dont work I would 100% look into that .
[19:27] <bobweaver> the not hte *
[19:27] <yoga> ActionParsnip: I just filled a bug report for stardict does not run in the panel.
[19:27] <sysadm_> i send file to u
[19:27] <tomasm-> anyone know why my laptop running on a wireless connection would take up every IP address in a network? its just using the default dhcp from the firewall
[19:27] <rhin0> not sure why -- my ssd is showing half capacity (installed xubuntu 11.10) ... what could be the reason for an ssd showing 1/2 capacity ... could it be deteriorating?  I have done multiple multiple installs onto it
[19:27] <guntbert> TorbenBeta: please see tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
[19:28] <Gentoo64> rhin0, :s
[19:28] <rhin0> yes Gentoo64
[19:28] <Gentoo64> rhin0, partitions?
[19:28] <high-rez> I'm attempting to do a complex ip ruleset for ipv6.  E.g. "ip rule add from a.b.c.d/16 and not to a.b.c.d/16 and not to e.f.g.h/16 table providera" --- anyone know if this is possible ?
[19:28] <Gentoo64> it wouldnt decrease in capacity
[19:28] <ActionParsnip> sysadm_: can you pastebin it instead please. I have no idea where it is on my filesystem as I'm on my phone
[19:28] <rhin0> i/m going to check -- for some reason can't even boot my usb key install now
[19:28] <rhin0> ok
[19:28] <TorbenBeta> guntbert, why?
[19:28] <rhin0> i just thought if it's getting sectors marked bad ... it'd start decreaeing insideze
[19:28] <Gentoo64> high-rez, ask in #ipv6 probbaly
[19:29] <guntbert> TorbenBeta: you were asking about bash scripting
[19:29] <ActionParsnip> Yoga: coolies. Bug reports get things fixed
[19:29] <TorbenBeta> guntbert, thank you then.
[19:29] <Gentoo64> rhin0, half the size would be something seriously bad lol
[19:29] <Gentoo64> i reckon you just partitioned it
[19:30] <rhin0> ok gotcha
[19:30] <rhin0> I think so too
[19:30] <rhin0> dunno how
[19:30] <Gentoo64> how are you checking? fdisk -l?
[19:30] <rhin0> was using hdparm
[19:30] <rhin0> can't see
[19:30] <rhin0> how to see the max capacity of a drive
[19:30] <Gentoo64> try gparted
[19:30] <Gentoo64> itll be clear
[19:30] <rhin0> thanks
[19:31] <rhin0> ilove my ssd
[19:31] <sysadm_> org.eclipse.swt.SWTError: No more handles [Could not detect registered XULRunner to use]
[19:31] <sysadm_> who can help me
[19:31] <rhin0> i want it to be as robust  ad h/d
[19:31] <tolmun> any app all in one for hardware issue detection/stres-test, need to find why machin is overheated at some point, same on linux32/64 and  windoza. Playnig with cpuburn,memtst,sensors logs . ..  with no luck, nothing wrong.
[19:31] <plurrtard> What's the kernel name for 11.10?
[19:31] <bobweaver> Huey_:  run sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm &     <-- any errors in the 1st terminal >?
[19:31] <Gentoo64> rhin0, ive had mine for ages its been good
[19:31] <Gentoo64> plurrtard, 3
[19:31] <bobweaver> plurrtard:  uname -a
[19:31] <quick-> wine not working on 11.10 . Pls help
[19:31] <Gentoo64> quick-, what happens
[19:31] <ActionParsnip> !info linux-image-generic
[19:32] <diverdude> anybody knows what "Entf.-Kilometer" means?
[19:32] <ibqn> my laptop does not boot, it says mount: mounting /dev/ .... failed, I booted form the live cd and was able to mount the main partition, how to repair it?
[19:32] <rhin0> gparted shows "ext4" and "extended"
[19:32] <rhin0> whats "extended"
[19:32] <quick-> when i open program such as ultrasurf it just doesnt shows anything
[19:32] <quick-> Gentoo64:  when i open program such as ultrasurf it just doesnt shows anything
[19:32] <Gentoo64> rhin0, another partition. it should say at tope right the size of the disk
[19:32] <helo> why is 'mission-control' using 100% cpu?
[19:33] <ibqn> how to copy my home folder to another external hard drive, It says I have no permissions!
[19:33] <rhin0> why is there an "extended"
[19:33] <Gentoo64> quick-, try it from terminal. i dont use wine but i think its just "wine program"
[19:33] <bobweaver> ibqn:  use sudo
[19:33] <ibqn> bobweaver, what is the password on the live cd?
[19:33] <bobweaver> ibqn:  there is none
[19:33] <bobweaver> I thought
[19:33] <rhin0> whats "extended" for
[19:33] <Gentoo64> rhin0, prob swap
[19:34] <Gentoo64> how big is it?
[19:34] <quick-> Gentoo64:  used terminal also , it gives "fixme:toolhelp:CreateToolhelp32Snapshot Unimplemented: heap list snapshot" and returns the prompt
[19:34] <rhin0> not sure why -- my ssd is showing half capacity (installed xubuntu 11.10) ... what could be the reason for an ssd showing 1/2 capacity ... could it be deteriorating?  I have done multiple multiple installs onto it
[19:34] <rhin0> oops
[19:34] <rhin0> cut buffer
[19:34] <Gentoo64> quick-, im not sure. have you tried reinstalling wine?
[19:34] <rhin0> dev/sda1   *        2048    68747868    34372910+  83  Linux  ---------------   /dev/sda2        68749310   125044735    28147713    5  Extended
[19:34] <sysadm_> org.eclipse.swt.SWTError: No more handles [Could not detect registered XULRunner to use] what should i do
[19:34] <quick-> Gentoo64:  yup
[19:34] <rhin0> so its all there just htat its base and "extended"
[19:34] <Gentoo64> rhin0, yeah looks like the swap partition
[19:34] <rhin0> ok
[19:34] <rhin0> so all is ok
[19:34] <Gentoo64> rhin0, yea. no idea why itd be half the size of your ssd.
[19:35] <Gentoo64> how big is the ssd?
[19:35] <Gentoo64> 60gb?
[19:36] <Gentoo64> rhin0, tbh id clean install and repartition. you dont want swap on ssd (ideally) and certainly not if its taking half the space
[19:36] <rhin0> ok
[19:36] <rhin0> 60gb correct
[19:37] <Gentoo64> how much ram?
[19:37] <rhin0> 4gb
[19:37] <rhin0> this install is whack/bunk will re-
[19:37] <Gentoo64> rhin0, i have a 60gb ssd and 4gb ram too
[19:37] <rhin0> dunno why its like this
[19:37] <Gentoo64> i use just a big 60gb / partition nothing else
[19:37] <Gentoo64> no swap etc
[19:37]  * rhin0 has 3 processors Oo
[19:38] <Gentoo64> maybe you just have a triple core cpu?
[19:40] <Tomay> Why is compiz cube desktop is not working for me ?
[19:40] <OmNomNom> yay!!!
[19:41] <OmNomNom> i am officially less of a ubuntu noob
[19:41] <OmNomNom> haha
[19:41] <Gentoo64> you spelt your name right
[19:41] <Gentoo64> :)
[19:41] <OmNomNom> lol
[19:41] <OmNomNom> i finally got Konversation working
[19:41] <OmNomNom> i am so proud of myself
[19:41] <OmNomNom> ROFL
[19:41] <licastb> dont be!
[19:41] <Gentoo64> aw
[19:41] <Gentoo64> inb4 irssi comments
[19:42]  * OmNomNom slaps licastb with the sarcasm trout
[19:42] <OmNomNom> :P
[19:42] <OmNomNom> oh man am i ever happy :P
[19:43] <huxley> If I have a choice between two proprietary drivers: AMD ATI and AMD ATI Radeon (post-update) should I try the post-update one or the original? aka what does post-update mean, exactly? =P
[19:43] <helo> /leave/leave
[19:43] <helo> heh
[19:43] <Gentoo64> OmNomNom: screenshot of the best in action?
[19:43] <OmNomNom> Gentoo64: say what?
[19:43] <Gentoo64> dw
[19:43] <OmNomNom> haha
[19:43] <Gentoo64> huxley: try the post update
[19:44] <huxley> Gentoo64: okay thanks
[19:44] <Edisto> whatever happened to that game huxley?
[19:44] <ibqn> people do you have an idea how to repair my laptop, after a power interruption ubuntu is not able to start, showing me a mount failere, but hard drive mounts from a live cd
[19:44] <huxley> ibqn: you sure its the HD
[19:44] <Gentoo64> ibqn: does the kernel start?
[19:45] <Gentoo64> mount ro?
[19:45] <huxley> the hardware itself i mean
[19:45] <OmNomNom> now, if i want to increase the file allocation of Ubuntu, do i have to uninstall and create a partition?
[19:45] <Gentoo64> panic
[19:45] <ibqn> huxley, I get this http://kuniganotas.wordpress.com/2010/11/02/error-on-mounting-dev-on-rootdev/
[19:45] <Gentoo64> OmNomNom: what do you mean
[19:45] <OmNomNom> or just remove and reinstall with a bigger allocation size on c:
[19:45] <OmNomNom> when i installed, it asked me the allocation size
[19:45] <Gentoo64> OmNomNom: paste (in a site) fdisk -l
[19:45] <OmNomNom> for Ubuntu, by default it was set at 18gb
[19:45] <huxley> OmNomNom: just use parted magic live cd and resize
[19:46] <huxley> and cross ur fingers
[19:46] <huxley> haha
[19:46] <Gentoo64> OmNomNom: afaik ubuntus auto partitioner makes a / /home and swap
[19:46] <OmNomNom> sorry you'll have to dumb it down for me
[19:46] <OmNomNom> i have no clue what you're saying
[19:46] <Gentoo64> OmNomNom: do you dual boot on that drive?
[19:47] <OmNomNom> yes, windows 7 and Wubi
[19:47] <OmNomNom> thats why i got Wubi
[19:47] <Gentoo64> and want to share a partition for data?
[19:47] <ibqn> Gentoo64, see the link above, I end up with exactly the same error messages
[19:47] <Gentoo64> hmm no idea about wubi
[19:47] <OmNomNom> Wubi is using 18gb of C:/
[19:47] <OmNomNom> by default
[19:47] <OmNomNom> and i didnt increase that sizze
[19:47] <Gentoo64> OmNomNom: i would delete ubuntu and install it to another partition (that you can make with gparted)
[19:47] <huxley> Gentoo64: nothing wrong with wubi
[19:47] <Gentoo64> wubi is messy
[19:48] <OmNomNom> Wubi is nice
[19:48] <jrwr> but messy
[19:48] <Gentoo64> at least that way youll have ubuntu on ext4 and seperated
[19:48] <huxley> Gentoo64: if he wants to use wubi, let him use wubi =P
[19:48] <OmNomNom> well isnt wubi the full ubuntu?
[19:48] <Gentoo64> yeah
[19:48] <OmNomNom> ok, but the thing is its why i got it, so i can dual boot
[19:48] <huxley> OmNomNom: yeah. optimally you want ubuntu in its own partition for stability
[19:49] <OmNomNom> so anyone can help me with partition
[19:49] <Gentoo64> OmNomNom: if you make a new partition and install ubuntu to it, ubuntu will ovewrite the bootloader anyway
[19:49] <huxley> OmNomNom: sure. You can also dual boot easily just by burning the image file to a dvd, installing.. it'll set up GRUB automatically
[19:49] <Gentoo64> OmNomNom: so youll still dual boot
[19:49] <huxley> Gentoo64: he wants to expand the virtual partition that wubi made in windows
[19:49] <OmNomNom> yes...
[19:49] <OmNomNom> thats it
[19:49] <Gentoo64> OmNomNom: first "delete" ubuntu, then make free space after the windows partition
[19:50] <Gentoo64> oh ok
[19:50] <Gentoo64> no idea about wubi
[19:50] <meowsus> Can i install LXDE as a session to be launched instead of Ubuntu? Or is that just a bad idea
[19:50] <meowsus> Sorry, instead of Gnome*
[19:50] <Polah> meowsus, yes you can.
[19:50] <Gentoo64> meowsus: i think lxde-desktop
[19:50] <bobweaver> well off to hackerspace tty all later thanks and have a good one :>)
[19:50] <OmNomNom> so i have two options, partition c: for 100gb or so, and then install Ubuntu
[19:50] <Gentoo64> im prob wrong
[19:50] <yoga> I apt-get install ubuntu-desktop, am I using Unity?
[19:50] <OmNomNom> so if bootloader is overridden, it will ask for which OS to load am i correct?
[19:51] <vncxuser> How an I enable remote sharing from terminal in ubuntu 11.10?
[19:51] <Gentoo64> OmNomNom: yeah ubuntus grub will detect windows
[19:51] <vncxuser> how can I*
[19:51] <huxley> OmNomNom: before we went off and tried to give you all this advice -- your original intent was to expand the virtual partition right
[19:51] <OmNomNom> well, yes, i am sorry for abruptly leaving, i had accidentally switched off my adapter
[19:51] <OmNomNom> by pressding f2
[19:51] <OmNomNom> pressing*
[19:51] <meowsus> I know when you do, say kubuntu-desktop, it installs all the default KDE applications. As i understand it LXDE doesn't have it's own "branded" programs like Gnome and KDE, but will it still install a bunch of programs ontop of what i already have
[19:51] <meowsus> ?
[19:51] <Gentoo64> OmNomNom: go into gparted and shrink the windows partition to whatever you want, then format the rest of the space as ext4
[19:52] <Makita420> ы
[19:52] <Gentoo64> meowsus: probably the light lxde ones
[19:52] <huxley> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide#How_do_I_resize_the_virtual_disks.3F
[19:52] <OmNomNom> i do this from windows i presume
[19:52] <Gentoo64> meowsus: itll always end up being a bit of a mess with lots of desktops
[19:52] <Gentoo64> OmNomNom: no from the uubntu livec
[19:52] <Gentoo64> d
[19:52] <OmNomNom> and also it will be a completely separate partition from C:/
[19:52] <OmNomNom> ?
[19:52] <meowsus> Gentoo64, that's what I was thinking too... Hmm....
[19:52] <Makita420> hi america!
[19:53] <meowsus> I'll just take the plunge and go Lubuntu
[19:53] <Gentoo64> OmNomNom: yes
[19:53] <hwilde> OmNomNom, pm
[19:53] <guntbert> !ot | Makita420
[19:53] <huxley> OmNomNom: check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide#How_do_I_resize_the_virtual_disks.3F
[19:53] <huxley> !wubi | OmNomNom
[19:53] <Gentoo64> meowsus: you can install plain xubuntu if you dont want all the mess
[19:53] <meowsus> Gentoo64, what do you mean? is xubuntu-desktop way lighter than, say, kubuntu-desktop?
[19:54] <Gentoo64> meowsus: yes
[19:54] <meowsus> I mean... speaking of the installation of extra programs
[19:54] <genii-around> I'm not sure "safe" should be in the same sentence as "wubi"
[19:54] <Gentoo64> meowsus: kde installs more programs than anything else
[19:54] <meowsus> Right
[19:54] <Gentoo64> then gnome then xfce
[19:54] <milanoa> brbra
[19:54] <Gentoo64> meowsus: what are you trying to achieve? a desktop without much by default?
[19:55]  * flooding_urinal is away: Crabwalking a triathalon
[19:55] <meowsus> Gentoo64, yeah, I guess so. I'm just trying to pick a good DE for the new machine. I don't know if I'll like Lubuntu the best, or if i should go Xubuntu. Like we were saying, i don't want the overhead of ubuntu or kubuntu.
[19:56] <Gentoo64> meowsus: both x and lxde are light
[19:56] <Gentoo64> i personally find xfce too bloated
[19:56] <Gentoo64> and messy
[19:56] <meowsus> Gentoo64, but you say you use Openbox, are you running it as a session ontop of ubuntu?
[19:57] <Gentoo64> no
[19:57] <Gentoo64> theres a distro called crunchbang
[19:57] <Gentoo64> i thin kthats ubuntu
[19:57] <meowsus> Gentoo64, my buddy brian uses it
[19:57] <Gentoo64> but you wouldnt see a difference between pure openbox and lxde
[19:58] <meowsus> Definitely debian based
[19:58] <meowsus> alright, i'm going to stop thinking about it and install lubuntu
[19:58] <meowsus> Thanks for your help
[19:58] <Gentoo64> ok
[19:59] <nailson> did someone try to download aptana 3 today?
[20:00] <seanp2k> I have virtualbox-40 installed and I have the .deb for virtualbox-41, but `dpkg -i` says I can't install it because it conflicts.  I don't want to uninstall virtualbox-40 first and lose all my  settings.  How can I tell dpkg that I want to "upgrade" virtualbox-40 to virtualbox-41 using [deb] ?
[20:00] <seanp2k> exact `dpkg -i` output http://pastebin.com/ZLuCHZT2
[20:00] <Gentoo64> seanp2k: you wont lose the settings
[20:00] <Gentoo64> seanp2k: theyre in the home folder
[20:00] <Gentoo64> just uninstall it
[20:00] <seanp2k> Gentoo64: so I need to uninstall virtualbox-40 first?
[20:00] <splic> Is it possible to user autofs to create a mount point in /?
[20:00] <Gentoo64> seanp2k: apparently
[20:00] <seanp2k> Gentoo64: k, I was thinking that.  Will try, thanks
[20:01] <klync> i created a new user by manually writing /etc/{passwd,shadow} and unity doesn't like it: where my username should be at the top-right corner, it says [invalid UTF-8], and the user doesn't show up in the Users control panel
[20:02] <Gentoo64> klync: why didnt you do it the normal way?
[20:02] <klync> Gentoo64: that *is* the normal way, for POSIX
[20:03] <eiriksvin> i keep having issues with keyring not unlocking when I  auto-login how do I fix that?
[20:03] <Gentoo64> klync: just type as root: adduser
[20:03] <klync> Gentoo64: how about `grep klync /mnt/oldsys/etc/passwd >>/etc/passwd`
[20:03] <Gentoo64> klync: adduser and useradd is the normal way
[20:03] <Gentoo64> for linux and bsd
[20:05] <Pici> klync: that still should JustWork™. Are you sure that you entered it in the proper format?
[20:06] <bibib0y> test
[20:06] <klync> Pici: it's the right format, but apparently the wrong encoding; i tried re-typing the line using vi but that didn't work ... i could remove and re-add the user, but that'd be a pain and i'd like to know how to fix this anyway. character encoding problems are such a pain
[20:08] <waza-ari> hey all. i know i can define ssh hosts in ~/.ssh/config. Can i somehow do sth like: for every hosts in domain xyz.xy (so *.xyz.xy) use username xyz?
[20:09] <klync> Pici: also, i should mention that i *can* login and everything (at term or lightdm) ; it's just the graphical desktop tools that have a problem reading my entry in the file
[20:09] <hwilde> waza-ari,   Host *.xyz.zy       (newline)    User xyz
[20:10] <javier__> hi. I have to format my HDD (where I share windows and ubuntu) and reinstall both OS. But I've found I have bad sectors on the HDD (specially,I believe, in windows part). I want to do something like scan, mark (or repair if so is possible) bad sectors not to use them again. How could I do this? thanks!
[20:10] <waza-ari> hwilde: that easy? hm... thanks :)
[20:10] <ghostnik11> i am trying to install java Recommended Version 6 Update 29, but the thing is they show no x86 install file, can i use an x64 ?
[20:11] <ghostnik11> i can post link, actually link is:http://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp
[20:11] <hwilde> waza-ari, man 5 ssh_config
[20:12] <helo> how do i reduce the size of my mouse cursor in xorg? (not using unity/gnome)
[20:12] <Pici> klync: I'm having a hard time finding evidence on Linux (I found something for BSD) that /etc/passwd needs to be an ASCII file.
[20:12] <helo> after installing 11.10 it's massive
[20:12] <Gentoo64> helo: hold on
[20:12]  * helo grabs onto Gentoo64's 4
[20:13] <waza-ari> hwilde: indeed that easy. will try tomorrow when back at work. thanks
[20:13] <Gentoo64> helo in gtkrc-2.0
[20:13] <Gentoo64> gtk-cursor-theme-size=
[20:13] <hwilde> waza-ari, yesh you can specify keys and all kinds of stuff.   I have hundreds of lines in my config
[20:13] <helo> awesome, thanks :D
[20:13] <Gentoo64> helo: what de are you using?
[20:14] <Pici> klync: http://serverfault.com/questions/197665/using-utf-8-in-the-etc-passwd-file-any-known-issues seems to suggest that the GECOS (realname) will allow UTF-8, but not necessarily the username field.
[20:14] <helo> fluxbox
[20:14] <klync> Pici: I don't think it does .... I haven't looked with hexdump (not on that computer atm), but i think what's happening is that the chars are two bytes wide except on the line I added via ">>" ... that's why i tried using vi to re-type the line and delete the orig, but that didn't solve it
[20:14] <klync> Pici: interesting
[20:14] <Gentoo64> helo: in openbox my gtk-cursor-theme-size=0
[20:14] <Gentoo64> helo: so not sure how big the numbers make it, 0 is obviously default
[20:14] <helo> cool
[20:15] <dddbmt> allright. I've just installed 10.04 (to get gnome2) on my Asus n43s. I believe that I need a driver or my gfx card, since I can only run 1024*768. Any suggestions?
[20:15] <dc5ala> ghostnik11, there are 4 linux downloads, 2 of those are 64 bit, so the other 2 are probably 32
[20:16] <ghostnik11> dc5ala: thanks i will download the self extracting bin and install via terminal
[20:16] <Gentoo64> helo: dpaste.com/640980/
[20:16] <axisys> how do I install sun java ?
[20:16] <Gentoo64> thats what mine looks like
[20:16] <axisys> there is no sun-java6-jre pkg any more
[20:16] <klync> Pici: ok, i think the easiest answer might be to delete the user and re-add using the util. now that i read that thread you linked to, i remember i also tried `usermod -c klync,,,` to no avail
[20:17] <joshfinnie> I am looking to augment my Ubuntu installation with a lightweight desktop. All I really need is Terminal (for vim) and firefox for website viewing and debugging. Any suggestions?
[20:17] <axisys> i already have done the add-repository for the partner to install sun java
[20:17] <Pici> klync: I agree
[20:17] <dddbmt> .... my asus have a geforce gt550m (cuda 1gb). What should I do to get this working properly?
[20:17] <dc5ala> ghostnik11, any specific reason you need to do that and not use openjdk from repository?
[20:17] <Gentoo64> dddbmt: install the nvidia drivers
[20:17] <choman> looking for liveCD help
[20:18] <Gentoo64> choman: ask
[20:18] <mrdeb> ok go ahead choman
[20:18] <Mion> dddbmt: install the closed source drivers
[20:18] <Mion> dddbmt: using aptitude
[20:18] <javier__> Hi! how can I make a low level fotmat of my hard drive? (I believe that will mark bad sectors and will prepare it to work better)?
[20:19] <dddbmt> Mion, I haven't done that before. Could you tell me more, or maybe give me a link?
[20:19] <smw> joshfinnie, if you find one, let me know
[20:19] <ghostnik11> dc5ala: well its not for me its for someone else as he is trying to get his android device back to stock factory conditions and in order for that to happen, he has to install java or update it to latest version in order to run a SamsungCaptivate-SGHi897-UCKB2-NoRoot-One-Click.jar
[20:19] <Gentoo64> javier__: partedmagic has a load of erase tools
[20:19] <smw> joshfinnie, I just gave up on lxde because it was too buggy. I am right now using kde.
[20:19] <choman> using the "remaster" script  from the ubuntu community forums to generate a liveCD.   Looking to modify unity such that "custom" launchers are there during live sessions (on Unity)
[20:19] <dmorrison42> Does anyone know if there is an svg for this image? Or even just a higher resolution copy. I wanted to use it as my background since I installed 10.11, but I can't find it. http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html/view/head:/slideshows/ubuntu/slides/screenshots/welcome.jpg
[20:19] <helo> Gentoo64: awesome, thanks man
[20:19] <ghostnik11> dc5ala: here is link he is following: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1266172
[20:19] <dc5ala> ghostnik11, then just try openjdk, manual installation is not really recommended
[20:20] <Gentoo64> joshfinnie: lxde would be the easiest thing for you
[20:20] <Mion> dddbmt: fist hit on google: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[20:20] <javier__> Gentoo64, so, it would be a good program to make it and reinstall everything afterwords...?
[20:20] <smw> Gentoo64, lxde is too buggy
[20:20] <Gentoo64> smw: how is it
[20:20] <Gentoo64> you cant say that
[20:20] <smw> Gentoo64, it especially has problems with anything involving power management.
[20:20] <Gentoo64> because so is kde, and gnome
[20:20] <smw> Gentoo64, I can't?
[20:20] <smw> Gentoo64, I just gave up on it!
[20:20] <Gentoo64> :)
[20:20] <dddbmt> Mion, System -> Administration -> Hardware drivers does not show anything.
[20:20] <vncxuser> Can someone tell me how I enable remote sharing (VNC with vino) from terminal in ubuntu 11.10?
[20:21] <Mion> dddbmt: old ubuntu?
[20:21] <hwilde> vncxuser, vino-server
[20:21] <ghostnik11> dc5ala: okay but when he clicks on jar file it says: The file SamsungCaptivate-SGHi897-UCKB2-NoRoot-One-Click.jar' is not marked as executable.
[20:21] <joshfinnie> Gentoo64: I will take a look at lxde. thanks
[20:21] <dddbmt> Mion, 10.04 downloaded and installed within the last few hours.
[20:22] <ghostnik11> dc5ala: i guess he has to make it executable first with a: chmod a+x
[20:22] <Gentoo64> joshfinnie: i wouldnt let people put you off. the amount of bugs kde, gnome, unity etc have is unbelievable compared
[20:22] <dc5ala> ghostnik11, yop
[20:22] <Mion> dddbmt: just hiding in a slightly different place then
[20:22] <guntbert> vncxuser: why vnc with CLI?
[20:22] <vncxuser> guntbert: Because I'm not home.. So I'm on the computer via ssh
[20:23] <ghostnik11> dc5ala: okay will tell him to try to cd to where file is then run chmod a+x with "jar file name"
[20:23] <smw> Gentoo64, lxde is awesome. All it needs is 1. working power management (suspend, %left etc) 2. the panel to stop hanging (using up all CPU) and 3. for sound applet to work when started and power is not plugged in (how was this failing?!)
[20:23] <trijntje> Hi all, does anybody know how to contact the ubuntu friendly project? I cant find their e-mail on launchpad or on the wiki. Any suggestions?
[20:23] <helo> anyone happen to know why empathy doesn't honor the theme i set with gtk-theme-switch2?
[20:23] <sskniranjan> ski_  plz see my msg in pm
[20:23] <OmNomNom> god Faceoff is such a cheesy movie
[20:23] <Gentoo64> smw: i basically use lxde (openbox, lxpanel and pcmanfm) and never had a single issue at all
[20:23] <guntbert> vncxuser: ah, understood  - I guess you have got a good answer already
[20:24] <smw> Gentoo64, on a laptop?
[20:24] <Gentoo64> its the only rock solid desktop ive ever used
[20:24] <smw> Gentoo64, and you never had the panel hang?
[20:24] <Gentoo64> nope
[20:24] <Gentoo64> but
[20:24] <dc5ala> ghostnik11, he can also do that via gui, right click properties
[20:24] <Gentoo64> it might be different versions ec
[20:24] <eiriksvin> hey all, I'm looking for a dock that shows the active apps a bit better than Unity
[20:24] <grkblood> whenever i try to use switcheroo to change to my discrete gpu with this command `echo DIS > /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch` i get the error vga_switcheroo: client 0 refused switch in my syslog, how do i switch cards?
[20:24] <ghostnik11> dc5ala: he can, how?
[20:24] <smw> Gentoo64, and you used it on a laptop?
[20:24] <dddbmt> Mion, not sure what you mean? You think this would be the right solution: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-install-nvidia-drivers-manually-on-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx.html ?
[20:24] <Gentoo64> no
[20:24] <Gentoo64> desktop
[20:25] <dc5ala> ghostnik11, on pemissions tab there is a checkbox to mark it as executable
[20:25] <Gentoo64> smw: im not sure about the power management... i disable it all
[20:25] <smw> Gentoo64, ok, makes sense. It would probably be much more stable on a desktop
[20:25] <Mion> dddbmt: _never_ install the driver manuallty
[20:25] <smw> Gentoo64, the panel hangs are rare enough
[20:25] <Mion> manually*
[20:25] <ghostnik11> dc5ala: cool will tell him that now
[20:25] <joshfinnie> Gentoo64: smw: I am just going to do this… http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxde Bad idea?
[20:25] <p1ruj3> anyone know what the next LTS version is going to be?
[20:25] <Mion> dddbmt: it just causes a mess on your system
[20:25] <OmNomNom> can you move icons of programs onto the desktop background on ubuntu?
[20:25] <Gentoo64> joshfinnie: you could so
[20:25] <Gentoo64> do
[20:25] <smw> joshfinnie, probably :-P
[20:26] <smw> joshfinnie, why do you want a light desktop?
[20:26] <CQ> hello, how do I get into a recover mode when I dont see a grub menu at boot? I tried hitting keys or escape at boot, but no luck, it always goes to the login screen (or tries to...)
[20:26] <joshfinnie> just want something lightweight. using in virtual box for python web development.
[20:26] <Morik> 12.4 is LTS 5 years
[20:26] <Gentoo64> he only wants firefox and a terminal
[20:26] <choman> @p1ruj3: 12.04
[20:26] <klync> Mion, dddbmt: i didn't have a problem; just had to blacklist nouveau and add a line to my grub.conf .... i know i'll have to re-run the installer when i update the kernel, but it's worth it imho.
[20:26] <smw> Gentoo64, on a laptop lxde just does not work.
[20:26] <trijntje> OmNomNom: yes, right  click, new starter, fill in the command you want to run
[20:26] <eiriksvin> I'm really thinking about going back to 11.04 just to get the Classic back... this Unity is making me grr it's too much clicking around to get to what I want, and I really don't like the workspace switcher, no realtime, the icons are too big
[20:26] <dc5ala> ghostnik11, that's just a security thingy for gui, so double clicking does not execute things you may not want to. On command line he don't need that: "java -jar blabla.jar" will execute it too
[20:27] <eiriksvin> compiz isn't working grr
[20:27] <Mion> klync: it messes with libgl, and it's a reall mess at uninstall/upgrade
[20:27] <grkblood> is there any room that focuses on graphics? preferably hybrid graphics?
[20:27] <TrevorBradley> Hey folks, is there a way to tell drupal to ignore the cache for the loading of a single page?  I know I can flush my entire cache, but that's not what I'm looking for.
[20:27] <eiriksvin> grkblood like Blender 3D?
[20:27] <dddbmt> klync, should I try to download from nvidia website? http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-285.05.09-driver.html
[20:27] <Mion> dddbmt: NO
[20:28] <smw> Gentoo64, I am now thinking of the great joomla vs wordpress debate. Wordpress has very few features which makes me want something better and joomla has too many all enabled by default.
[20:28] <grkblood> eiriksvin, i have no idea what that is, i jsut want to swtich gpus
[20:28] <klync> Mion: hm, well on my old system it did replace x's libgl.so or something like that ... wasn't really a problem tho. imho it's worth it
[20:28] <Mion> klync: it is a BIG problem if you later want to use the free driver as an example
[20:28] <eiriksvin> grkblood idk then
[20:28] <klync> dddbmt: i think so ... but be prepared to lose your graphical environment
[20:28] <Mion> klync: or eg switch to an amd card
[20:29] <eiriksvin> is there a dock that shows the active apps a bit better than Unity
[20:29] <klync> Mion: yeah, but nvidia makes good drivers for their hw, that's why i bought an nvidia card.... i love free software, but i understand why video hardware drivers would need to keep their sw interfaces closed
[20:29] <racho> Mion, though the ati card shouldn't be the latest in the line
[20:29] <OmNomNom> Gentoo64: any way i can drag icons onto the desktop?
[20:29] <grkblood> Mion, i see you talking about video cards, do you knwo how to switch  hybriud graphics?
[20:29] <eiriksvin> will Gnome-Shell give me classic back?
[20:29] <Mion> grkblood: depends on what it is
[20:29] <TrevorBradley> (looking at cacheexclude module now)
[20:30] <choman> ok, the livecd question is out there.  unfortunately I need to pop smoke for a bit.  I will be back later tonight.  Hopefully that will give everyone enough time to mull it over
[20:30] <grkblood> Mion, whenever i try to use switcheroo to change to my discrete gpu with this command `echo DIS > /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch` i get the error vga_switcheroo: client 0 refused switch in my syslog, how do i switch cards?
[20:30] <Mion> grkblood: vga_switcharoo for amd, bumblebee(buggy) for nvidia
[20:30] <dddbmt> Mion, then I am not quite sure what I should do now? any suggestions?
[20:30] <racho> eiriksvin, no gnome-shell is *not* gnome classic
[20:30] <ghostnik11> dc5ala: thanks for that tip, didn't know "java" command would also execute will make note of that for future use
[20:31] <enigma456> hello
[20:31] <Morik> Is there any way I can shrink the text in empathy?
[20:31] <smw> eiriksvin, there is no way to get old gnome back except downgrade (upgrade?) to 11.04
[20:31] <enigma456> I got ubuntu, sound doesn't work
[20:31] <enigma456> I got some sony vaio laptop here, tried most of the tricks but still no luck
[20:31] <enigma456> any ideas ?
[20:32] <eiriksvin> I would love to support Ubuntu but wtf are they thinking with this? It's more like UNbuntu
[20:32] <OmNomNom> can anyone help me please, i have files on my C drive (where ubuntu is installed) and i am trying to access them through ubuntu, however the files are in windows
[20:32] <enigma456> any person can help me about this
[20:33] <vncxuser> guntbert: I tried hwilde's suggestion but I do not know the excact way on how to start it is the problem.
[20:33] <OmNomNom> i pressed alt + f2 and typed in nautilus and got three results and i am not what to do
[20:33] <enigma456> ubuntu sound problem for sony vaoi vpcej   is takes ages to solve this
[20:33] <smw> eiriksvin, I have no idea. Ubuntu was so great... It kills me what they have done to it :-(
[20:33] <enigma456> any have ideas
[20:34] <tripelb> OmNomNom, you can do it in gui
[20:34] <Tech-1> -``-
[20:34] <zmbmartin> can someone do me a favor with 64 bit flash installed check if they can use the demo at uploadify.com?
[20:34]  * `cory is hungry
[20:35] <eiriksvin> I think they are trying to get more people to jump on the band wagon, but after the Natty bomb they should have known it was a NO NO
[20:35] <OmNomNom> tripelb: how exactly please, i just typed in nautilus and it opened a home box, but when i try to search i dont know if it is searching the right place
[20:35] <zmbmartin> I am not able to use uploadify anymore and I am assuming that it is related to flash player being upgraded recently
[20:35] <smw> eiriksvin, I am back to kde since gnome 2 is pretty much dead. I could move to an older ubuntu or a new distro with gnome2, but upstream is not supporting it anymore.
[20:35] <pooltable> help running out of room on hard drive but have room on ext hard drive what do i new to do to move some thing there ???
[20:35] <jrwr> you can move it by hand and symlink some of it
[20:35] <jrwr> if the location is important
[20:36] <jrwr> or even move it and move it to a location
[20:36] <jrwr> like /home
[20:36] <guntbert> vncxuser: the vino server obviously is managed through GUI :-(, do you have an X server on the machine you are currently using? (in other words is it a linux machine?)
[20:36] <w30> OmNomNom, you need a ntfs file system reader, install ntfs-3g
[20:36] <pooltable> jrwr how do i symlike?
[20:36] <jrwr> its a command like option
[20:36] <Mion> pooltable: man ln
[20:37] <vncxuser> guntbert: Yes. It is.
[20:37] <jrwr> yep
[20:37] <smw> eiriksvin, this is not only ubuntu's fault unfortunately.
[20:37] <eiriksvin> yeah, i know
[20:37] <OmNomNom> w30: its already installed
[20:37] <vncxuser> guntbert: It's asking for a paramete for --display but I don't know exactly what to put in for that.
[20:37] <Mion> don't symlink to externals btw
[20:37] <Mion> it just becomes a mess fast
[20:38] <jrwr> eiriksvin, Ive moved on to XFCE with Xubuntu
[20:38] <enigma456> got bit a problem ... sound is dosn't work  at my sony vaoi  os ubuntu 10'10
[20:38] <vncxuser> guntbert: --display=:0.0             <---- That will not start the server. (So obviously i have to try some other parameter value othat than :0.0)
[20:38] <smw> jrwr, I didn't like xfce a couple months ago. I think I should try it again.
[20:38] <guntbert> vncxuser: very good, then you probably don't need the vnc thing anyway, just connect with ssh -X user@host, that will display any GUI app on your current screen
[20:38] <OmNomNom> W30: ntfs-3g is already installed
[20:38] <OmNomNom> what do i do?
[20:38] <enigma456> i did a few popular thing with terminal but still nothing
[20:39] <w30> OmNomNom, If you installed Linux, not wubi, on a different partition you have to mount the C drive
[20:39] <jrwr> smw, its alot like Gnome2 but more supported
[20:39] <smw> jrwr, kde is not half bad once you spend an hour disabling every feature you can.
[20:39] <eiriksvin> smw it's just disappointing to see such a good OS go down the tubes, if your going to offer Unity, make it a seperate OS instead of throwing away what works, was fast, and awesome
[20:39] <smw> jrwr, not enough like gnome2 :-P
[20:39] <vncxuser> guntbert: Even in putty>
[20:39] <OmNomNom> W30: I installed Wubi on the C Drive, the same as my windows.
[20:39] <jrwr> smw, lol, thats what I had to do when i tried KDE, its Tasks system is kinda... retarded
[20:39] <smw> eiriksvin, I agree. It should have been a not enabled by default option.
[20:40] <guntbert> vncxuser: putty on linux or putty on windows?
[20:40] <vncxuser> guntbert: Windows.
[20:40] <enigma456> anyone got idea how to bring sound into vaio ? I mean like which module name I need to use or maybe I need to recompile kernel ? The laptop model is vpcej
[20:40] <smw> jrwr, I knew kde when I moved back to it so I knew what to get rid of :-)
[20:40] <guntbert> vncxuser: I thought you said your current machine is linux?
[20:40] <NUllZer0> hi, I have a question about a basic script I am putting together in bash
[20:40] <NUllZer0> can someone help?
[20:40] <w30> OmNomNom, I have never used wubi, maybe a wubi user will pipe up *sorry*
[20:40] <zatan> Hi, my nautilus home folder , has gone from unity launcher how can I get back? i tried to run from shell but its opening as FILE
[20:40] <NUllZer0> egrep -i 'interface Serial|interface FastEthernet' $f | awk '{ print $2 }'
[20:40] <smw> jrwr, I have ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop, and lubuntu-desktop installed on my machine.
[20:41] <smw> jrwr, time to install xubuntu-desktop :-D
[20:41] <guntbert> NUllZer0: #bash is probably better suited
[20:41] <jrwr> smw, im running a S10e netbook, XFCE serves me well
[20:41] <NUllZer0> basically I want to take each line of output and use it in a configuration file
[20:41] <NUllZer0> guntbert, thanks :)
[20:41] <OmNomNom> W30: will i need to get a UnbuntuOne account and sync files or share my folders in windows
[20:42] <vncxserv-user> OMG, freaken windows IE cxrashed on me -.-
[20:42] <smw> jrwr, yay.  I never typed in nautilus, I just went to Places and Computer and saw the list of partitions. It was easy. - so I'd like to put you on that path.
[20:42] <smw> jrwr, and I also tried pcbsd :-).
[20:42] <p1ruj3> wow next lts isn't here till April next year? Is that typical? every two years?
[20:43] <jrwr> smw, now go install Debian on top of Ubuntu
[20:43] <OmNomNom> tripelb: how do i do that
[20:43] <jrwr> smw, use a Chroot, and it works well
[20:43] <smw> jrwr, I am tempted
[20:43] <p1ruj3> yeah guess it is, 8.04 is the other..
[20:43] <OmNomNom> i mean go to places
[20:43] <arand> p1ruj3: Yes.
[20:43] <jrwr> you can install pretty much any distro that way
[20:43] <mrdeb> how
[20:43] <xorph3289> My wireless won't connect in Xubuntu 11.10 - is this a known bug? The odd thing is, it works fine in Ubuntu 11.10 with presumably an identical kernel/network manager...
[20:43] <eiriksvin> What did they "fix" between 11.04 and 11.10? it seems like they didn't even work on what they had, but started something new based on the old Unity...
[20:44] <smw> jrwr, bsd has come along nicely. It is now about 5-6 years behind linux on the desktop. lol
[20:44] <jrwr> eiriksvin, Unity seems like something for a Netbook, not a Desktop
[20:44] <tripelb> OmNomNom, if you re in the gui, see the  wheel up top left, then applications places system - this is gnome 10.04 I've not used the new unity desktop. - I found the windows partition there under Computer (Think My-Computer)
[20:44] <noname120> Hi
[20:44] <noname120> can someone help me compiling a .tar.gz file ?
[20:44] <smw> jrwr, that is what it was originally made for.
[20:45] <w30> OmNomNom, you could but no need to. Linux should use Windows files just fine in normal uses. Repairing file systems and network transfers might be different.
[20:45] <smw> jrwr, ubuntu netbook edition
[20:45] <smw> !compile > noname120
[20:45] <jrwr> smw, thats where I first saw it
[20:45] <tripelb> OmNomNom, if you re in the gui, see the  wheel up top left, then applications places system - this is gnome 10.04 I've not used the new unity desktop. - I found the windows partition there under Computer (Think My-Computer) w30 this is wht I told him.
[20:45] <jrwr> smw, and it worked well for it, but.. for a desktop, give me Gnome2 anyday
[20:46] <tripelb> !compile > tripleb
[20:46] <OmNomNom> tripelB, you mean the cog right, which is the main menu for shutting down, restarting etc?
[20:47] <smw> jrwr, somehow gnome-shell seems to implement almost everything I hate about mac window management
[20:47] <eiriksvin> jrwr yeah I agree, keep that crap on cellphones and junk... I need functionality and speed. What's the use in owning a desktop if it's all screwy. I put so much into my Linux box, now I don't want to go backwards. I'm hating myself for updating... STUPID!!
[20:47] <smw> jrwr, I dumped gnome shell after an hour because I already had well thought out reasons to hate it.
[20:47] <w30> OmNomNom, look at this: http://www.thetechrepo.com/main-articles/514
[20:47] <jrwr> eiriksvin, you could always... compile Gnome2 or install KDE from repo
[20:47] <jrwr> or XFCE
[20:48] <eiriksvin> whats KDE like?
[20:48] <Reaper> last I saw of it, it was very gui and dressed up
[20:48] <tripelb> OmNomNom, (cog, wheel, gear, buddhist symbol for the 8 ways)... I mean what they called places, then Computer. Do you see any partitions there that might be your windows partition.
[20:48] <Reaper> dunno how well it works tho
[20:48] <smw> eiriksvin, it is what I am using now. It uses too many animations and fades.
[20:48] <feste__> hi! i need some help.  i'm trying to run matlab, and i think i'm not able to access one of the license servers that i need.  anybody have any ideas of what i could do, or know where else i could ask?
[20:48] <mega1> i have ubuntu 10.04 server how do i add a user so he only has access to his own ftp files
[20:48] <jrwr> smw, its Aero on crack
[20:49] <smw> eiriksvin, it also has has to many "features" that are enabled by default.
[20:49] <CQ> how can I set grub to show the menu in a standard install?
[20:49] <jifjaoi3982> mega1: Use chown and chmod commands
[20:49] <smw> eiriksvin, first thing I do is disable compositing. Then I move on to disable every feature that I don't like. For example, by default it saves the programs open and relaunches them on login.
[20:50] <OmNomNom> tripleB: no i do not
[20:50] <OmNomNom> W30: i went to the top left when i was on my desktop and i dont see Places
[20:50] <smw> eiriksvin, I also mess with the taskbar settings
[20:50] <eiriksvin> I just need a friggin dock that's going to show my Active Apps
[20:51] <smw> eiriksvin, lmao
[20:51] <OmNomNom> W30, i minimized all windows and it said Desktop on the top left
[20:51] <OmNomNom> and it didnt show places
[20:51] <smw> eiriksvin, I have sunk way too many hours into figuring out what to do about the lack of gnome2
[20:51] <smw> eiriksvin, kde seems to be working out the best so far
[20:51] <mrdeb> smw do you need advice
[20:51] <mrdeb> ?
[20:51] <smw> mrdeb, sure :-P
[20:52] <jifjaoi3982> I have also switched to KDE. So configurable, the complete opposite of what Gnome 3 and Unity are becoming :)
[20:52] <mrdeb> ok well do you like gnome 2 but what about unity
[20:52] <Gorkyman> whats kubuntu ?
[20:52] <eiriksvin> I might have to go to KDE then uBOOntu
[20:52] <mrdeb> only thing matters really is programs not interface
[20:52] <smw> mrdeb, I don't like unity
[20:52] <tzhuang> clear
[20:52] <w30> eiriksvin, I'm triple booting fedora, ubuntu, and xubuntu looking for a new path forward. Fedora and gnome3 and tweaks is kinda working but xubuntu seems to be better if I can hack the way it works a little
[20:52] <mrdeb> well u can like it
[20:52] <tzhuang> hi what does adding %U to a CLI command do?
[20:52] <smw> mrdeb, the interface is slow, it uses too many fades and animations
[20:52] <airtonix> tzhuang: not much?
[20:53] <smw> mrdeb, it also has a terrible multiwindows system
[20:53] <smw> mrdeb, don't much like the taskbar either
[20:53] <mrdeb> well it is not so bad believe me
[20:54] <mrdeb> you can do base install also and put another over it
[20:54] <eiriksvin> w30 awe man, we need an escape from this: thank you for some sanity
[20:54] <Gorkyman> what should I first read/watch to get to know ubuntu?
[20:54] <smw> mrdeb, it may work better for some, but it does not work well for the way I organize windows.
[20:54] <feste__> so...does anybody have advice about why my ubuntu 10.4 can't access the servers that my ubuntu 11.4 could and that a mac computer in my office can reach?
[20:54] <smw> Gorkyman, just use it.
[20:55] <milanoa> hi
[20:55] <smw> Gorkyman, read what you need to read when you want to do something you don't know how to do.
[20:55] <w30> OmNomNom, how about places computer, file system (icon), host folder?
[20:55] <airtonix> feste__: is ufw enabled or not? if so what does it report with : sudo ufw status ?
[20:55] <jifjaoi3982> feste__: You've got samba installed and properly configured?
[20:56] <Gorkyman> I'm thinking of running ubundu under the windows : )
[20:56] <Gorkyman> ubuntu*
[20:56] <Gorkyman> : )
[20:56] <feste__> airtonix: "inactive"
[20:56] <smw> mrdeb, at least with kde I can disable most effects and still have a functional desktop :-P. unity 2d is not pretty...
[20:56] <reisio> Gorkyman: kinky
[20:56] <OmNomNom> w30: i think i got it
[20:56] <mrdeb> well 3d is faster smw hwen you install driver
[20:56] <feste__> jifjaoi3982: i'm not sure... :(
[20:56] <Gorkyman> I kinda need linux but to install it seperately... ugh I don't know...
[20:56] <airtonix> feste__: next step would be to right click on your public folder in your home folder and select 'sharing' then follow the on screen prompts
[20:57] <Mion> Gorkyman: less trouble to install on a seperate partion or 3, than to use wubi/colinux
[20:57] <smw> mrdeb, ... unity works at full speed for me. I just have a different standard of speed.
[20:57] <feste__> thanks, airtonix !
[20:57] <jifjaoi3982> feste__: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Samba/SambaClientGuide
[20:57] <eiriksvin> Gorkyman I would suggest trying a LIVE USB first
[20:57] <feste__> thanks, jifjaoi3982 !
[20:57] <w30> eiriksvin, I don't want a touch screen for my desktop because I'll get peanut butter or pork rind grease all over it.
[20:57] <airtonix> feste__: then enable ufw and : sudo ufw allow in to any app samba
[20:57] <eiriksvin> w30 heh :)
[20:58] <Gorkyman> eiriksvin: can I transform live usb to full instalation in the future ?
[20:58] <KjetilK> I'm installing 11.10 on a brand new OCZ Vertex Plus SSD drive. The install goes fine, it boots fine, but then weird stuff starts happening. The home partition appears to somehow get completely corrupted, the filesystem (ext4, with discard enabled) is not anymore recognized, eventually the same thing happens to the root filesystem (also ext4). At that point, I just get the grub rescue prompt. I've been looking around with a rescue disk,
[20:58] <KjetilK> but not found a lot
[20:58] <airtonix> feste__: everything after the colon there was an actual ufw command
[20:58] <mrdeb> ok well smw then you only have one choice
[20:58] <eiriksvin> Gorkyman yes
[20:58] <smw> mrdeb, I am listening :-)
[20:58] <KjetilK> I think the SSD sounds pretty damaged, but I'm not positive
[20:58] <Gorkyman> if I find alternatives to office and other software that I regulary use... I might switch to ubuntu...
[20:59] <KjetilK> any advices? (how to confirm it is deadish, debug it in case it is the install, ...)
[20:59] <mrdeb> base install + openbox
[20:59] <OmNomNom> W30: from the Home Window -> File System -> Host
[20:59] <eiriksvin> Gorkyman you can even just make a Persistant USB which is awesome too
[20:59] <smw> mrdeb, haha.  But it fails miserably on my laptop
[21:00] <w30> eiriksvin, when your first click opens s window that covers entire 192x1200 screen with about 5 apps that means xv or xcreensaver is about 20 clicks away
[21:00] <airtonix> looking for someone else here that uses keepassx and unity. keepassx icon rocks up in the notification area but the launcher doesn't indicate that it's running nor can i make the notification icon reveal the application window
[21:00] <smw> mrdeb, and on openbox I would need to spend so much time configuring... everything
[21:00] <mrdeb> no don worry i have configs saved
[21:00] <mrdeb> u just copy into home dir
[21:01] <smw> mrdeb, ?
[21:01] <mrdeb> i mean when you set things up one time, then you can copy them into new install
[21:02] <smw> mrdeb, I one time tried a system without any DE.  Want to open a pdf file? Go find a program. Found the program? Lets figure out how to make pcman automatically open pdfs with that program. Got it working? great
[21:02] <smw> mrdeb, oh wait, chrome doesn't know how to do it!
[21:02] <mrdeb> no you dont need that
[21:02] <smw> mrdeb, I have been through this!
[21:02] <mrdeb> you run all in terminal and are happy when you learn
[21:02] <eiriksvin> Gorkyman Ubuntu 10.10 or 11.04 (Ubuntu Classic) was the most porwerful for me. I disabled all the special junk and ran Blender 3D on it modeling MONSTER sized terrains in realtime
[21:02] <airtonix> smw: you don't need to tell chrome to open pdf in another program by the way.
[21:02] <noo> Hello. Can somebody tell me what the current state of linux and ntfs file systems is? I heard it's dangerous to connect external hard drives with ntfs to linux and to write it, because it might be the case that one can't read the hard drive from windows afterwards.
[21:03] <mrdeb> you dont need file manager
[21:03] <smw> airtonix, on a completely stripped down system, you do
[21:03] <feste__> airtonix: is it weird that only one out of three servers is selectively not responding to this particular computer?
[21:03] <smw> mrdeb, oh really?
[21:03] <mrdeb> yes u need terminal and udisks and upower that's it
[21:04] <smw> mrdeb, and next thing you are going to do is tell me to use mutt and elinks
[21:04] <mrdeb> no i use links
[21:04] <mrdeb> also firefox
[21:04] <airtonix> feste__: check that the servers are actually the same version and what is the variation in their configuration (and their firewall settings), you might also benefit from testing the machine samba shares from other computers, by : ip address, avahi address, and wins address
[21:04] <orp> hi there
[21:05] <feste__> thanks! will do! :)
[21:05] <airtonix> smw: i'm not sure if you looked at chrome lately, but it renders pdfs by itself.
[21:05] <orp> any one know how to conect php to a sharepoint ?
[21:05] <smw> airtonix, I don't use chrome. I use chromium
[21:05] <airtonix> orp: ask in #php or #sharepoint
[21:05] <eiriksvin> Thats why i loved Classic Ubuntu, it was great for multi-tasking, now with this Unity it's clickity clackity (too much clicking to get to what I want) which slows down my workflow
[21:05] <TheEvilPhoenix> airtonix:  ##php
[21:05] <smw> mrdeb, gnome2 worked by magic and was decently fast. Fast is now measured not by how fast it boots but by how fast it responds..
[21:06] <smw> eiriksvin, exactly
[21:06] <eiriksvin> smw yeah!! Speed is awesome
[21:06] <airtonix> smw: it doesn't sound like you have any actual solveable problems... are you just here to complain?
[21:06] <mrdeb> yes gnome 2 is better but it is gone now
[21:06] <TheEvilPhoenix> orp:  can I /query you?
[21:06] <orp> yes
[21:06] <smw> airtonix, for the most part I solved the problem. I use KDE
[21:07] <smw> airtonix, after an hour it is usable.
[21:07] <airtonix> smw: cool, i suggest you take the conversation to #ubuntu-offtopic where i would fit in with the rest of the noise there
[21:07] <airtonix> :>
[21:07] <smw> lol
[21:07] <airtonix> s/i/it/
[21:07] <noname120> hi
[21:07] <p1ruj3> anyone use unity 3d with vnc?
[21:08] <eiriksvin> One thing that ticks me off is that I use Blender 3D so I have to disable the hotkeys for workspace switching... Unity makes it soo slow
[21:08] <smw> airtonix, I was talking to eiriksvin about the options I had tried. Then someone started arguing over if unity was really that bad
[21:08] <noname120> if I give a deb file to users, can they broke there sys installing it ('cause of binary based and source based sys)
[21:08] <noname120> ?
[21:09] <smw> airtonix, it seems eiriksvin and I have the same ideas of what is good so I was explaining what I had tried and the levels of success I had.
[21:09] <Mion> noname120: not if you set up sane deps
[21:09] <noname120> if I give a deb file to users, can they broke there sys installing it ('cause of binary based and source based sys) ?
[21:09] <Mion> noname120: binaries are not portable between distroes btw unless you build the staticly
[21:09] <eiriksvin> is there a way to make that dash pop right out as soon as I swing over? The waiting is killing me
[21:09] <reisio> noname120: they can confuse their package manager, yes
[21:09] <yoga> How do I create a link at the sidebar in Nautilus?
[21:09] <smw> airtonix, but then someone tries to convince me I don't know what I want and discussion gets skewed :-P
[21:09] <noname120> Mion : I dunnot know all this stuff, I have installed a prog using ./configure and make and sudo make install
[21:09] <eiriksvin> I want responsiveness
[21:09] <reisio> noname120: but most people should know about that risk
[21:10] <airtonix> p1ruj3: i'm sure there are a statistically large amount of people that might. but what's your real question?
[21:10] <mrdeb> well good luck smw
[21:10] <Mion> noname120: ewww
[21:10] <smw> mrdeb, thanks :-)
[21:10] <wabash> What's a recommended keyserver for getting ubuntu release keys?
[21:10] <noname120> So can I give the sources and say they have to ./configure it and make and sudo make install ?
[21:10] <smw> eiriksvin, don't be afraid to try many options.
[21:10] <noname120> is there a risk to broke the system ?
[21:11] <smw> eiriksvin, install kubuntu-desktop, then disable compositing (desktops effects) and see if that works for you
[21:11] <noname120> Mion : So can I give the sources and say they have to ./configure it and make and sudo make install ? is there a risk to broke the system ?
[21:11] <smw> eiriksvin, also disable grouping on the task bar and ensure that only windows from the desktop you are using show up :-)
[21:12] <VNC-Server-user> My machine is only on and I can not connect via VNC. only with SSH.                  My user isn't logged into anything at all. Since the machine was remotely rebooted.
[21:12] <VNC-Server-user> How can I start the vino-server?
[21:12] <smw> eiriksvin, pm me if you have any questions :-)
[21:12] <Mion> noname120: if they do stupid things, sure
[21:12] <noname120> Mion : So can I give the sources and say they have to ./configure it and make and sudo make install ? is there a risk to broke the system ?
[21:12] <eiriksvin> smw where are these options
[21:12] <noname120> What do you mean by "stupid things" ?
[21:12] <p1ruj3> airtonix my guess is it would be ultra slow (and I cannot get it to work since the 11.10 upgrade), just curious if anyone has it working well before spending time on figuring out what's going on
[21:12] <smw> eiriksvin, "system settings"
[21:12] <Slimcea_boy> Hello, I've set up my print server as described at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkPrintingWithUbuntu#Ubuntu_print_server - and I've set up my print client as described at #Printing_from_Ubuntu. The printer appears on the client, but when I try to print to the network printer, the step "getting printer information" always fails. What could be the problem here?
[21:13] <airtonix> p1ruj3: vnc has always been 'slow' have you tried to use the alternatives in stead? like freenx?
[21:13] <smw> eiriksvin, it is god awful to find stuff in it, but at least everything is in one place.
[21:13] <p1ruj3> VNC-Server-user try running vncserver :1
[21:13] <smw> eiriksvin, an hour in it and you should understand it well enough...
[21:13] <p1ruj3> airtonix I havn't
[21:13] <eiriksvin> cool
[21:13] <VNC-Server-user> p1ruj3: But that's not installed, and I already have a vnc. That's called vino-server
[21:14] <airtonix> p1ruj3: the other thing you would try doing is using the unity2d interface
[21:14] <noname120> Mion : What do you mean by "stupid things" ?
[21:15] <p1ruj3> VNC-Server-user depending on the ver that's installed by default
[21:15] <Mion> noname120: not using the distros build system as an example
[21:15] <noname120> ok
[21:15] <VNC-Server-user> p1ruj3: Yea, I'm on ubuntu 11.10
[21:15] <liam> what is speech dispatcher used for?
[21:15] <noname120> So I say if they have compiled there sys on their own, they have to not do this, right ?
[21:16] <eiriksvin> is it soo hard to make a completely customizable OS and let people add what they want to it (Ubuntu 10.10) instead of forcing junk onto people
[21:16] <smw> eiriksvin, of course it is!
[21:16] <noname120> Mion : So I say if they have compiled there sys on their own, they have to not do this, right ?
[21:16] <guntbert> eiriksvin: this is no place for venting,  Do you have an ubuntu support question?
[21:17] <auronandace> eiriksvin: feel free not to use unity (or whatever it is you disagree with)
[21:17] <p1ruj3> airtonix tried to get that rolling, couldn't - was able to get gnome going, kinda rough because I only vnc into the server or ssh my guess is my xstart is jacked...
[21:17] <Mion> eiriksvin: lots of distroes that are aimed at what you want, ubuntu is not one of them
[21:17] <auronandace> eiriksvin: i use xfce, its great
[21:18] <eiriksvin> guntbert yeah: how do I change the icon size of the dashb? how do I make it respond faster on mousehover? I got a million
[21:19] <Polah> eiriksvin, nothing is forced. There is only the default to give people something to use to get to what they want (:
[21:19] <eiriksvin> why don't 11.10 have screensavers?
[21:19] <reisio> eiriksvin: it's a GNOME 3 thing
[21:19] <Swagger> whats up
[21:19] <reisio> eiriksvin: you can install xscreensaver if you want
[21:20] <smw> eiriksvin, most of this is gnome's fault.
[21:20] <smw> eiriksvin, that is why switching distros is not a long term solution. :-(
[21:20] <yoga> In Nautilus, Bookmark, Add Bookmark doesn't work, it seems.
[21:20] <noname120> thx for help see you Mion
[21:21] <Swagger> I'm new here
[21:21] <aeon-ltd> Swagger: wilkommen
[21:22] <mega1> ok i have setup a user using sudo useradd -d /home/mark -m mark if i use firefox to ftp into it he can go up the levels how do i stop the user doing that
[21:23] <kenzo110> !lista
[21:23] <Swagger> who else is on backtrack?
[21:23] <Mion> mega1: depends on what ftp server you use
[21:23] <celltech> What is a stable, low RAM using linux distro?
[21:23] <kenzo110> !list
[21:23] <aeon-ltd> Swagger: the guys in #backtrack are
[21:23] <reisio> celltech: not Ubuntu
[21:23] <p1ruj3> airtonix is there a package for freenx server?
[21:23] <kenzo110> !xman
[21:23] <celltech> :) Which is why I'm asking
[21:23] <reisio> celltech: how low are we talking about
[21:23] <mega1> i am using ubuntu 10.04
[21:24] <aeon-ltd> Swagger: #backtrack-linux
[21:24] <Swagger> ok
[21:24] <aeon-ltd> celltech: how low is low?
[21:24] <celltech> I've got an older system with 512 and I need to run a vbox of xp at a little over minimal performace
[21:24] <kenzo110> !tor
[21:24] <drvladimirtzu> I have Windows installed to sdb2, but for whatever reason grub doesn't have a windows listing at startup.  What do I need to do to get it there?
[21:24] <kenzo110> !tor
[21:24] <aeon-ltd> celltech: not possible unless the vm is pretty much the only thing you run
[21:25] <celltech> Which is why the distro needs to use very little
[21:25] <eiriksvin> does AWN work with unity?
[21:25] <reisio> celltech: you need to run vbox on a host with 512mb only?
[21:25] <Swagger> how do i get a dictionary file for my os
[21:25] <celltech> aeon-ltd 10.04's min was 128 mb... Which was good What's stable that uses about that?
[21:25] <reisio> celltech: what processor is it?
[21:26] <celltech> Pentium 2.0
[21:26] <aeon-ltd> celltech: i'm using archlinux with dwm and can boot into just under 40mb ram
[21:26] <celltech> supposed to be 2.7
[21:26] <p1ruj3> airtonix - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX - I assume that will do just fine with 11.10? has anyone here tested?
[21:26] <celltech> aeon-ltd Someone once suggested Mint
[21:26] <fellayaboy> hey is it possible to have wine recognize a usb flash drive?
[21:26] <reisio> celltech: which pentium 2
[21:26] <Lazz> !tor-sasl
[21:26] <Asad> Anybody know how to change application icons on unity launcher? Some apps or .sh files don't have an associated icon
[21:26] <reisio> fellayaboy: ?
[21:26] <reisio> fellayaboy: yes
[21:27] <reisio> celltech: Mint is just Ubuntu
[21:27] <celltech> Pentium 4 2.7ghz
[21:27] <fellayaboy> umm how do i go about doing taht reisio
[21:27] <reisio> fellayaboy: wineconfig
[21:27] <fellayaboy> ok let me see reisio
[21:27] <reisio> celltech: you on it now?
[21:27] <celltech> yes
[21:27] <reisio> celltech: does it have vt-x? grep vmx /proc/cpuinfo
[21:28] <celltech> Nothings showing up
[21:28] <reisio> celltech: too bad
[21:28] <dddbmt> Does anyone have any suggestions on how to install nvidia drivers on 10.04 - System -> Administration -> Hardware Drivers, does NOT show anything
[21:28] <reisio> celltech: how user friendly does the UI need to be
[21:28] <celltech> Fairly simple
[21:28] <celltech> sudo's kind of bother me
[21:29] <reisio> celltech: you might try Lubuntu
[21:29] <robin0800> yoga, it does but you need the folder open that you wish to bookmark
[21:29] <celltech> Why did ubuntu make 4 versions?
[21:29] <reisio> celltech: it didn't
[21:29] <aeon-ltd> they're forks
[21:29] <reisio> celltech: they ran cp Debian Ubuntu, and then other people did the same and added their own modifications
[21:29] <celltech> Ubunbutu, kubuntu, xbuntu, and lubuntu
[21:29] <aeon-ltd> canonical only backs about 3 of all variations
[21:29] <quidnunc> Is lightdm the correct default for /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[21:29] <quidnunc> ?
[21:29] <reisio> celltech: because people liked Ubuntu but not GNOME
[21:30] <fm_> can anybody reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/freerdp/+bug/881452 ?
[21:30] <yoga> reisio: I get it.
[21:30] <smw> celltech, lubutu is not official but I believe edubuntu is
[21:30] <smw> celltech, still 4, lol
[21:30] <reisio> yoga: get what? :)
[21:30] <celltech> Which of the 4 use the least amount of ram to run
[21:30] <reisio> lubuntu is official
[21:30] <aeon-ltd> celltech: server
[21:30] <aeon-ltd> :)
[21:30] <reisio> as is edubuntu
[21:30] <reisio> celltech: Lubuntu should use the least
[21:30] <smw> reisio, I thought it was borderline.
[21:30] <celltech> But server doesn't have a standard desktop does it? isn't that all sudo
[21:31] <reisio> borderline? :p
[21:31] <wolfmitchell> Hey
[21:31] <reisio> things either are or aren't
[21:31] <reisio> wolfmitchell: hi
[21:31] <smw> reisio, "working towards inclusion"
[21:31] <aeon-ltd> celltech: from there install X and a wm that will get the lightest possible before stripping the kernel of modules
[21:31] <mega2> i am using proftpd
[21:31] <smw> reisio, like 1 or 2 releases away from "official" lol
[21:31] <yoga> robin0800: I can make the bookmark.
[21:31] <robin0800> quidnunc, no that's only the login screen
[21:31] <quidnunc> robin0800: What should be the contents of that file?
[21:32] <celltech> IS there a way to just strip my 11.04 down to minimum?
[21:32] <reisio> smw: I'm sure they were at that point some time before they were official
[21:32] <reisio> celltech: technically you can tell GNOME not to install
[21:32] <aeon-ltd> celltech: not in a short way
[21:32] <yoga> celltech
[21:32] <reisio> celltech: and install LXDE and use that instead
[21:32] <wolfmitchell> I like my windows desktop on Ubuntu 10.10
[21:32] <reisio> celltech: it might be complex, though, GNOME comes with a lot of stuff you'd want to avoid that Lubuntu's desktop packages might already avoid
[21:32] <reisio> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxde maybe
[21:33] <celltech> Yeah cause I need a vbox and able to multitask
[21:33] <ry> can anyone think of a reason why websites in chrome would load incredibly slow, in a lot of cases timing out, when firefox/opera load fine? (ubuntu 10.10, tried everything, reinstalling/changing versions, removing user profile, dns/network changes... i'm out of ideas
[21:33] <robin0800> quidnunc, compiz, metecity,mutter though you could probably leave it blank
[21:33] <mega2> ok i have setup a user using sudo useradd -d /home/mark -m mark if i use firefox to ftp into it he can go up the levels how do i stop the user doing that i am using proftpd
[21:33] <aeon-ltd> ry: are you testing one at a time?
[21:33] <qin> ry: disable js?
[21:34] <ry> i usually use both, all day long
[21:34] <reisio> ry: probably busy sending all your information to Google
[21:34] <celltech> ry my chromium sometimes won't load certain chat rooms
[21:34] <quidnunc> robin0800: I think lightdm is the correct entry for that file
[21:34] <ry> i will disable js, pretty sure i tried disabling all plugins/extensions, not sure about js completely though
[21:34] <quidnunc> (correct default entry)
[21:34] <wolfmitchell> Ry-Chrome or Chrominium?
[21:34] <ry> i tried chromium, i'm talking about actual chrome
[21:34] <reisio> celltech: dunno where you are, but you know a new computer with probably quadruple the resources of what you have now is like $200
[21:34] <wolfmitchell> Ah.
[21:35] <reisio> celltech: in the USA, that is; and RAM is even cheaper
[21:35] <wolfmitchell> Run these:
[21:35] <celltech> Oh one more thing before I jet out and play with a spare harddrive. Keyring. Can I just get rid of it?
[21:35] <wolfmitchell> sudo apt-get remove chrome
[21:35] <Slimcea_boy> Why would the "getting printer information" step when trying to print to a networked printer always fail?
[21:35] <reisio> celltech: might check http://crucial.com/ to see if there's a deal to be had
[21:35] <wolfmitchell> sudo apt-get install chrominium
[21:35] <aeon-ltd> reisio: $200? heh heh ehhehehehheehhehehhehe
[21:35]  * aeon-ltd laughs
[21:35] <reisio> celltech: the proc you mentioned isn't that bad, with 2GB of RAM you'd be much better off
[21:35] <wolfmitchell> Chrominium is the same, but with no data sent to google
[21:35] <reisio> aeon-ltd: not everyone plays crysis
[21:35] <ry> i've tried that, along with chrome-stable/beta/alpha
[21:36] <celltech> Yeah. I have a Compaq Evo D510. I think I can hold a max of 1gb ram
[21:36] <VNC-Server-user> reisio: I would spend $1,000 for a new cxomputer. Get a 16GB machine. A lot of softwares are made nowadays, and your machine's resoucres are never enough.
[21:36] <aeon-ltd> reisio: there's no way $200 will get it new, second hand much more likely
[21:36] <reisio> VNC-Server-user: all the more reason to not bother spending cash attempting to make it enough
[21:36] <reisio> aeon-ltd: no really
[21:36] <reisio> personally seen the price tags
[21:36] <reisio> not with a monitor, of course
[21:36] <reisio> not on average, anyways
[21:37] <quidnunc> Is there a way to search files in uninstalled packages from the command line?
[21:37] <reisio> quidnunc: apt-file search
[21:37] <hexacode> hey you guys. in my terminal i clicked view then unchecked show menu....how do i get the menu to come back?
[21:37] <VNC-Server-user> reisio: I see your point, but we an't fight this/stop this. Ya know. New windows are made not for us. But for "ignorant" people who do not even know how to go to "their DESKTOP".
[21:37] <wolfmitchell> Hexa, try alt
[21:37] <reisio> hexacode: can you right click somewhere on the term?
[21:37] <reisio> VNC-Server-user: :p
[21:37] <mega2> can anyone help
[21:37] <VNC-Server-user> !ask
[21:37] <reisio> mega2: ^
[21:38] <fhtagn> hexacode: press Alt+v
[21:38] <mega2> ok i have setup a user using sudo useradd -d /home/mark -m mark if i use firefox to ftp into it he can go up the levels how do i stop the user doing that i am using proftpd
[21:38] <hexacode> reisio: doesnt have corect options, just resize and position and all
[21:38] <reisio> hexacode: F10?
[21:38] <celltech> bbl. Thank you everyone
[21:38] <hexacode> none of those ideas work
[21:39] <Swagger> how do i get a dictionary file on backtrack 5
[21:39] <VNC-Server-user> mega2: You may need a software that locks them into a certain root directory they are only allowed to go to. (IIRC, that would be chroot? )
[21:39] <hexacode> why dont u all uncheck show menu and then try out ur command first lol
[21:40] <fhtagn> hexacode: i did, and alt+v doesn't work indeed. however, right-clicking the terminal window shows me "Show Menubar"
[21:40] <fhtagn> hexacode: using ubuntu 11.04 upgraded to 11.10
[21:41] <quidnunc> mega2: Read the docs and sample configus for proftpd, it is explained there.
[21:41] <quidnunc> configs*
[21:41] <liam> just installed 11.10 and it doesn't boot to GUI after I restart it. Any ideas on what I can look for?
[21:43] <quidnunc> reisio: thanks
[21:43] <reisio> quidnunc: yw
[21:44] <pooltable> how do i run this PanelRestore.sh
[21:44] <Swagger> does anyone know how to get a dictionary file on backtrack 5
[21:44] <escott> !backtrack | Swagger
[21:45] <escott> pooltable, chmod +x PanelRestore.sh; ./PanelRestore.sh
[21:45] <graingert> pooltable: what's that file from?
[21:45] <graingert> does anyone know a ubuntu torrent client that supports webseeds?
[21:45] <pooltable> escott what is chom?
[21:45] <graingert> deluge and transmission don't
[21:45] <graingert> pooltable: try chown
[21:45] <graingert> sorry
[21:45] <graingert> chmod
[21:46] <escott> pooltable, change mode bits -- ie change permissions; +x is + executable
[21:46] <graingert> the word "chom" threw me
[21:46] <improveupon> ubuntu freezes when i open nautilus or try to open the mounted dvd drive. i just ran "check disk for errors" from a live cd and it said "2 errors found!" how bad is that? can someone suggest a link to read?
[21:46] <graingert> improveupon: very bad
[21:46] <improveupon> graingert: replace hard disk?
[21:47] <pooltable> graingert what is chown?
[21:47] <improveupon> the temp on the hard disk seems to be reading high but smart health is at 98% which it always has been
[21:47] <escott> improveupon, check for disc errors in the installer checks to see if your installer was burned correctly. with a bad install cd you may not be able to install a system
[21:47] <BlueEagle> !man chown
[21:47] <szarys> hi
[21:47] <t0mas> hi, after upgrading to 11.10 and installing  gnome-shell it seems that the "file menu bar" that was moved to the top of the screen in Unity appears a bit later when opening a window (using Gnome-shell). Is there something I can do about that? Hardware is quite new and not slow in other areas
[21:47] <fhtagn> pooltable: chown manages permissions. You need to make a file executable. try "sh filename.sh" to run it as a bash script, see what happens
[21:48] <BlueEagle> !chown | pooltable
[21:48] <szarys> siema
[21:48] <fhtagn> pooltable: i mean chmod manages permissions. chown manages the owner/group the file belongs to
[21:50] <dorgan> OK folks i have finally decided to upgrade my workstation at work from 9.04   the problem is when i run "update-manager -d"  it wants to upgrade to 10.04 and that is not possible from 9.04   so how do i upgrade to 9.10?
[21:50] <dorgan> do i have to use the alternative CD or is there still a way to do it over the net?
[21:50] <neckoox> hi guys !  i want to proxify the requests coming from BIND9 . is it possible ?
[21:50] <BlueEagle> improveupon: In my experience an isolated incident of broken file system does not warrant replacing a harddisk, but you may want to freshen the backups of your important stuff in case it's not an isolated incident.
[21:51] <BlueEagle> improveupon: Most of the time you will be able to recover most info from a "slightly" broken file system, but keep watching it if it gets worse by checking it once a day for the next two days and then once a week for the next two weeks. If nothing else crops up then your disk is most likely just fine.
[21:51] <userone> i make a modification to pcmanfm.config, save and reboot and yet the change reappears. how can i find which other files are 'writing' to pcmanfm.config on start up?
[21:52] <pooltable> i use to just click on and and it work now it is being open by IE
[21:52] <yoga> How do I set Adobe Reader to be the default to open .pdf file?
[21:52] <eXpander> Wow, Internet Explorer 9 works now
[21:52] <BlueEagle> eXpander: That's a bit of an over statement isn't it? :p
[21:53] <reisio> eXpander: you lie!
[21:53] <reisio> yoga: in what?
[21:53] <yoga> reisio: in Nautilus
[21:54] <dorgan> anyone
[21:54] <userone> i want to completely remove nautilus and use pcmanfm instead. will this break 11.10?
[21:55] <reisio> userone: don't remove it, just use pcmanfm
[21:55] <VNC-Server-user> userone: Ask virtualbox.
[21:55] <ry> actually, i used pcmanfm for a while
[21:55] <Jilly> Ok, guys...really dumb question..but how do I tell which desktop I'm running?
[21:55] <ry> i liked it... but then i figured out how to make nautilus awesome
[21:55] <pooltable> ok got to work
[21:55] <Jilly> I thought I had gnome 3...but not so sure now.
[21:56] <ry> made pcmanfm obsolete mighty quick
[21:56] <reisio> Jilly: screenshot?
[21:56] <reisio> ry: heh
[21:56] <userone> ry: how did you make nautilus. it runs extremely slow on my system, and i have 4gb ram
[21:56] <pooltable> jilly 11.10 is 3.0 any thing is 2.0
[21:56] <reisio> well nautilus and pcmanfm, while both file managers, do not do all the same things
[21:56] <ry> define slow?
[21:56] <reisio> nautilus can probably fully replace pcmanfm, but likely not the other way around
[21:56] <ry> my system isnt anything super powerful either
[21:57] <ry> i do have more ram
[21:57] <Jilly> um...ok...so where are all my font settings and things in gnome 3
[21:57] <reisio> userone: it's probably less nautilus and more the rest of the DE
[21:57] <userone> ry: 13 minutes just to open, and thats before i can even pick a file!
[21:57] <ry> wow
[21:57] <Tecnic29> Hola saludos a todos
[21:57] <reisio> userone: kudos on waiting that long... I guess
[21:57] <ry> something is wrong, i've used nautilus on ancient systems and it wasnt slow
[21:58] <ry> i'm running ubuntu 10.10 on a i5 520m / 8gb ram
[21:58] <VNC-Server-user> Jilly: Click on Ubuntu logo in Unity "Left side" taskbar launch/taskbar tray thingy.          Type in System                 Then clikc on System Monitor. When that program loads up, click on the "System tab" next to "Processes".
[21:58] <ry> but even with 4gb it ran great
[21:58] <reisio> I have, and it was slow, but only because using GNOME on ancient systems is slow
[21:58] <reisio> yoga: sorry coming up short, but it should be somewhere in the gconf/registry
[21:59] <Jilly> oh ok...so gnome 3.2.0...so what happened to being able to pick your own fonts, etc.
[21:59] <userone> ry: nautilus is the only slow app on my machine (dual core 4 gb ram 1gb nvidia graphics card 64 bit) so can you tell me what i am doing wrong, or at least where to start
[21:59] <sam555> hello all
[21:59] <sam555> how do I load the 11.10 os for installation from a usb drive?
[21:59] <reisio> hi sam
[21:59] <VNC-Server-user> Jilly: Ya, go get it. sudo apt-get install gnome-tweak-tool
[21:59] <reisio> sam555: you could use unetbootin, usb-creator, dd
[22:00] <sam555> I used unetbootin-windows-357.exe to create a boot image
[22:00] <Jilly> VNC...oh ok...thanks. :)
[22:00] <reisio> sam555: that should work
[22:00] <sam555> reisio: however, it won't boot into the gui, it boots into the busy box shell
[22:00] <liam> is it ok to install the AMD64 version on my core i7 laptop or is there another 64 bit version?
[22:00] <reisio> sam555: and what image was it you used?
[22:00] <reisio> liam: amd64 is the right one
[22:00] <VNC-Server-user> Jilly: Some features there are experimental though.
[22:00] <liam> reisio: ty
[22:00] <monaDeveloper> Hi
[22:01] <VNC-Server-user> Jilly: But that will get the job done.
[22:01] <reisio> monaDeveloper: hi
[22:01] <sam555> reisio: the one here http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download
[22:01] <Jilly> VNC....well that's fine, not sure why they took out the appearance preferences is all.
[22:01] <userone> ry: how did you make nautilus awesome?
[22:01] <DrSlony> Help, I'm not an ubuntu user but I'm writing a script for Ubuntu users, could someone please quickly tell me if 11.10 has liblcms1-dev ?
[22:02] <monaDeveloper> I'm trying to modify php.ini file but whenever I do that and thought it's saved successfully and I restart the apache server but the phpinfo() is not showing the modifications I did at all
[22:02] <reisio> sam555: it's possible your graphics hardware has confused the image
[22:02] <VNC-Server-user> liam: Sure. Especially if that's like the only 64bit available.         People call 32bit os an i386 (note: intel name).             And 64bit (amd64).
[22:02] <reisio> sam555: you might try the alternate install image, which should present you with a framebuffer installer
[22:02] <DrSlony> older versions used to have liblcms1-dev, 11.10 has liblcms2-dev, does it still have liblcms1-dev?
[22:02] <VNC-Server-user> !php
[22:02] <sam555> reisio: gotcha!
[22:02] <reisio> sam555: similar to the beginning stages of installing Windows
[22:02] <monaDeveloper> I edited both /apache2/php.ini and cli/php.ini and also made sure there is not other php.ini files
[22:02] <VNC-Server-user> Darn it.
[22:02] <VNC-Server-user>  monaDeveloper, visit #php
[22:02] <reisio> sam555: takes less complex graphics automagick
[22:03] <sam555> reisio: it is an old dell pc, should we just use 10 instead?  We were using 9, but the new printer we got, won't work with 9.
[22:03] <VNC-Server-user> monaDeveloper: Unless, how did you installed php? o_O
[22:03] <qin> !info liblcms1-dev
[22:03] <VNC-Server-user> monaDeveloper: Used apt-get or did you ./configure'd it.
[22:03] <yoga> How do I go to those hiden directories in Nautilus?
[22:03] <qin> DrSlony: ^^^
[22:03] <reisio> sam555: I'm sure you can get it to work, but if you don't have time to debug...
[22:03] <VNC-Server-user> yoga: Push CTRL + H to see hidden files. Push those keys again will hide them from view.
[22:04] <reisio> sam555: what printer is it?
[22:04] <yoga> How to type in the path in Nauntilus?
[22:04] <VNC-Server-user> yoga: Names of files and folders begining with a period will be hidden.
[22:04] <monaDeveloper> sudo tasksel install lamp-server
[22:04] <monaDeveloper> yes
[22:04] <ry> i'm looking for a screenshot
[22:04] <VNC-Server-user> yoga: Push CTRL + L          (Show -L- ocation bar).
[22:04] <DrSlony> qin thanks!
[22:04] <sam555> reisio: it's an hp deskjet 1055
[22:04] <qin> yoga: Ctrl-H, Ctrl-L
[22:04] <DrSlony> !info liblcms2-dev
[22:04] <ry> yeah, the key to linux "user experience"
[22:04] <ry> learn the shortcuts
[22:05] <reisio> sam555: is that just a printer or an all-in-one?
[22:05] <meowsus> Hey, I just upgraded my memory from 4gb to 8gb. My swap is at the end of my primary drive and is 4gb. Is that sufficient? I don't have any more room on the drive to expand it.
[22:05] <SilfenX> can I use Network Manager in a persistent virtual desktop VNC session on Ubuntu Server?
[22:05] <VNC-Server-user> monaDeveloper: You were better off doing this:         sudo apt-get install apache2 php5
[22:05] <Jilly> Thanks for the help guys!
[22:06] <monaDeveloper> ok
[22:06] <reisio> meowsus: yes, more than sufficient
[22:06] <sam555> reisio: all in one
[22:06] <meowsus> reisio, yeah, thats what i figured... swap is confusing to me, every time i read anything about it the "rule of thumb" is to have as much as your ram
[22:06] <reisio> meowsus: the only issue would be if you're using a laptop or other hibernate-ing system, you could theoretically end up with more data to store than will fit on the swap partition
[22:06] <reisio> meowsus: tuxonice is supposed to be able to work around this, however
[22:06] <VNC-Server-user> monaDeveloper: IF you want mysql.         It's a whole lot better to first install mysql: sudo apt-get install mysql-server                            THEN run this command: sudo apt-get install phpmyadmin
[22:06] <sam555> reisio: we're going to use a 10.10 iso instead.  Thanks for the info.  We're going to lunch now.  You've been very helpful!
[22:06] <reisio> meowsus: right, because you want to be able to save everything you have in RAM for hibernation
[22:07] <meowsus> Its on a desktop, and sometimes i put it to sleep, but not usually
[22:07] <reisio> meowsus: it's pretty unlikely to matter
[22:07] <meowsus> If i start to have problems ill just shut the bastard down instead of just putting it to sleep
[22:07] <meowsus> Thanks for your help!
[22:07] <monaDeveloper> well everything was working but unfortunately I need to increase the max_upload_filesize
[22:07] <iceroot> VNC-Server-user: its ok to use it in one command, because of the dependencies apt-get will choose the correct order
[22:08] <reisio> sam555: I bet hplip supports that
[22:08] <escott> meowsus, one consideration of swap is for hibernation. if you swap is smaller than your ram in use you may not be able to hibernate.
[22:08] <reisio> sam555: it only lists 1050, but usually a close model # is enough
[22:08] <reisio> well no you should be able to hibernate
[22:08] <VNC-Server-user> iceroot: I've experienced hassle running all those together.           Which is why it's better to put mysql in first, before phpmyadmin otherwise, it would panic.
[22:08] <reisio> it just might not recover as perfectly as you'd like
[22:09] <meowsus> right on
[22:09] <reisio> the various hibernation methods compensate for these types of situations, AIUI
[22:09] <yoga> After I star FBReader, but I just Alt+Tab and it's gone?
[22:09] <yoga> start
[22:09] <meowsus> Im actually not sure if it hibernates or suspends, or really the difference between the two
[22:09] <reisio> most people probably won't max out using their 8GB of RAM and then force the system to suspend it all anyways :p
[22:09] <VNC-Server-user> yoga: Alt+Tab switches windows you're viewing. (common key, worksin windows too).
[22:10] <escott> meowsus, one keeps the power to the ram, but puts the cpu in a very slow mode. the other writes data to the hard drive and halts the system
[22:10] <reisio> meowsus: not important on the software level
[22:10] <userone> so now nautilus is not responding and i have to do a force quit
[22:10] <userone> 1 am only using 1.1gb of 4gb
[22:10] <meowsus> escott, suspend is the halt, correct?
[22:10] <yoga> VNC-Server-user: I mean, once I Alt+Tab, the FBReader just quit!
[22:10] <ry> userone, pretty bad examples, but these are some random old screenshots i have that reveal nautilus (as well as other ui elements i suppose --   http://interestingsh.it/ry/img/index.php?path=ss/ )
[22:11] <reisio> meowsus: there are various types
[22:11] <VNC-Server-user> meowsus: Note, if it's an internet related task, you will not have that session recovered exactly how you like it. Whether the computer sleeps/snores, you're screwed.
[22:11] <reisio> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_mode
[22:11] <reisio> but each bit of software handles them all, so again it's only relevant if you want to understand it
[22:11] <VNC-Server-user> yoga: Hold ALT, then "tap" tab. :+)
[22:11] <meowsus> VNC-Server-user, that makes sense
[22:11] <meowsus> thanks guys
[22:12] <escott> meowsus, the other way around i think. there are actually a number of low power states in modern hardware, but suspend usually means the system draws current, hibernate you could literally unplug it
[22:12] <reisio> you can get it to draw incredibly little, however
[22:12] <VNC-Server-user> meowsus: Actually. "NOT" screwed.  (Ugh, weird).
[22:13] <reisio> which is why eInk displays are so hot
[22:13] <yoga> VNC-Server-user: even just press Alt it's process gone!
[22:13] <meowsus> I just picked up an LED... but this is getting to be OT
[22:13] <meowsus> ;)
[22:14] <userone> ry: thanks. i just tried thunar and thats slow too. it must be the way the file manager is accessing my files ( i do have some massive cad/cgi files../.8GB single file!)
[22:14] <yoga> Can anyone start FBReader in ubuntu-desktop?
[22:15] <userone> anyway, go to go now. full-blown ubuntu 11.10 is killing my netbook so i need to try lubuntu!
[22:16] <VNC-Server-user> userone: xubuntu is also nice.
[22:16] <Queuetip> is there a way to apt-get update just 1 package?
[22:16] <VNC-Server-user> userone: sudo apt-get install lubuntu
[22:16] <Queuetip> without having to update all of them?
[22:17] <VNC-Server-user> Queuetip:  sudo apt-get install package-name                 <---- YES, again.
[22:17] <userone> i read some reviews which said xubuntu is also getting a little bloated. i have a beast of a laptop to run ubuntu, i use the netbook only for casual work
[22:17] <VNC-Server-user> Queuetip: And that's how to update one package.
[22:17] <Queuetip> ohhhh that's right
[22:17] <Queuetip> thanks
[22:17] <VNC-Server-user> :+)
[22:17] <userone> lubuntu uses pcmanfm so i will see how that works out
[22:18] <VNC-Server-user> userone: SOunds like a good idea.
[22:18] <Queuetip> not very intuitive, but yeah :P
[22:18] <VNC-Server-user> userone: & whiole at it, sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[22:18] <VNC-Server-user> I think I said "lubuntu-desktop"
[22:19] <userone> thanks, i will try the suggestions...lets see is #lubuntu people are as helpful as #ubuntu (we are all one happy family....)
[22:20] <VNC-Server-user> userone: Otherwise, you can try lxde support chat.
[22:21] <userone> thanks...bye
[22:24] <wolfmitchell> Lol
[22:24] <vacho> who is the GUI designer for ubuntu?
[22:24] <vacho> what a moron :)
[22:24] <vacho> what good comes out of hiding the scroll bars on a page?? seriously.
[22:25] <wolfmitchell> I found a BASIC interpeter for Ubuntu, source only. There is no makefile, and the files have a ".lolz" extention.
[22:25] <wolfmitchell> EPIC FILE'
[22:25] <wolfmitchell> *FAIL
[22:25] <Der_Tiger> I agree, it is an 'EPIC FILE!'
[22:25] <brontosaurusrex> vacho, screen estate, is that a quziz?
[22:25] <brontosaurusrex> quiz
[22:25] <reisio> vacho: that might be GNOME's doing
[22:26] <zatan> is there anyway I can move nautilus back button on to left side ?