[15:25] <mup> PR snapcraft#2756 opened: extractors: match setuptools metadata keys <Created by galgalesh> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2756>
[18:37] <grubbleapple> where's the best place to get news on the snapd project and any integration with epel-release/centos8 ?
[19:41] <mup> PR snapcraft#2756 closed: WIP: extractors: match setuptools metadata keys <Created by galgalesh> <Closed by galgalesh> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2756>
[20:54] <Eighth_Doctor> grubbleapple: well, I'm working on it...
[20:54] <Eighth_Doctor> if I have news to share, I'll share it on the snapcraft forums
[23:26] <mup> PR snapcraft#2518 closed: snapcraft/extractors/setuppy.py: match setuptools metadata keys <Created by anonymouse64> <Closed by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2518>


[00:20] <zacarias> how do you configure xubuntu so that Ctrl+F makes a "find"?
[00:22] <holstein> zacarias: i would probably install something like kupfer, and set the binding to control F
[00:22] <holstein> that'll find whatever you want to configure it to find
[00:23] <holstein> you can determine what it is you want "find" to be, and just set that as a keybinding
[00:24] <zacarias> holstein: ok, I'll try your suggestion.
[00:38]  * xGrind is back (gone 02:00:26)
[00:41] <gnu_lorien> Is there any way to enable ctrl alt backspace to work in xfce? I tried the setxkbmap options here: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/X/Config/DontZap and they didn't work
[00:43] <gnu_lorien> I'm using Xubuntu 11.10
[00:53] <holstein> gnu_lorien: what do you want it to do?
[00:54] <gnu_lorien> holstein, I want it to kill whatever X session I'm in when I press those buttons.
[00:55] <holstein> i usually just tty, and kill what i need
[00:56] <gnu_lorien> I do that now too, but I'm pretty angry that every new version of Xubuntu has made it harder and harder to give me the quick kill I need. This game keeps misbehaving and sometimes I have to reboot the whole system because of how resources are being eaten while I switch to tty
[00:56] <holstein> gnu_lorien: i think this will get you further http://askubuntu.com/questions/10622/how-can-i-enable-ctrlaltbackspace
[00:57] <holstein> however, i think dontzap was taking out of 11.10
[00:57] <holstein> taken*
[00:58] <gnu_lorien> It was. The xfce keyboard dialog doesn't have any of those options...
[01:00] <holstein> you could try something crazy like installing it from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dontzap/0.1.2/+build/879781
[01:02] <gnu_lorien> I don't know who got it into their head six or seven years ago that the Linux desktop needed to suck and started turning off CtrlAltBackspace, but I hate them for ruining my OS.
[01:04] <Paimun> and even after you switch to tty
[01:04] <Paimun> the system is too frozen to do anything
[01:05] <Paimun> of course there's always the magic sysrq key!
[01:05]  * xGrind is away: Estou ocupado
[01:06] <holstein> thats happening upstream though.. there must be something else that you are supposed to do
[01:06] <Paimun> when you say dontzap was taken out, do you mean you just can't set it at all anymore?
[01:06] <Paimun> if so that's pretty dumb
[01:07] <holstein> i mean, its open right?
[01:07] <holstein> you can build it
[01:07] <Paimun> well yeah
[01:07] <holstein> and compile your own kernel
[01:07] <holstein> its never *gone*
[01:07] <holstein> its just not in upstream debian anymore for some reason
[01:07] <holstein> and we dont have it either
[01:07] <Paimun> it's a lot more work than I really want to do just to enable c+a+b however
[01:07] <holstein> and i dont see a PPA, so i bet theres a good reason
[01:07] <holstein> or replacement
[01:07] <holstein> Paimun: but thats what im proposing
[01:08] <gnu_lorien> Did I miss anything important? I dropped out to change to Gnome and change those keyboard settings. Setting it in that didn't actually enable ctrlaltbackspace. I restarted Xorg and it still doesn't work.
[01:08] <holstein> i bet we dont enable C+A+B anymore... i bet there is an alternative
[01:08] <holstein> gnu_lorien: i was commenting about how it has been taken out upstream, and im wondering what is expected to do instead
[01:09] <gnu_lorien> holstein: My experience tonight has been that it just doesn't work. I've set every option anybody refers to and it still doesn't work.
[01:09] <holstein> gnu_lorien: right, its changed... thats what im saying
[01:09] <v3ritas> Sorry to bother with this question, but is there a tutorial anywhere on getting NAS working in Xubuntu? I've gotten access to it with Gigolo but i cant read or modify anything unless i copy to my main drive, edit, & copy back
[01:10] <gnu_lorien> holstein: alt + sysrq + k seems to work okay. I'll try to change to that in my mind.
[01:10] <holstein> gnu_lorien: i wish i knew the background about why that changed.. maybe ill ask aournd in a -dev channel and see
[01:11] <holstein> v3ritas: what kind of shares?... i connect to ssh shares, but samba is a big one too
[01:11] <holstein> i think you'd need to narrow down what you want to share, and how, and then you can find guides.. ssh guides... samba guides..
[01:12] <gnu_lorien> holstein: Thanks for your help
[01:13] <holstein> gnu_lorien: sure... believe me, i understand the frustration when things change on you
[01:13] <v3ritas> holstein: Forgot to include that, was either looking at samba or ftp which both let me access, but not view or modify content
[01:14] <holstein> v3ritas: i find ssh easy from linux to linux...
[01:14] <holstein> you have user rights in that case
[01:15] <v3ritas> holstein: okay, i'll take a look at that instead. I think the permissions is my problem anyway so that sounds like a better route
[01:15] <holstein> samba always made me sad setting permissions, but it can be done
[01:15] <holstein> i dont think FTP is the way to do what you are trying to do
[01:16] <v3ritas> only reason i asked was because i knew it worked that way pre-11.10, then i bounced around a couple distros before coming back & that's when i was no longer able to view content
[01:16] <holstein> v3ritas: in samba?
[01:16] <holstein> depends on the permissions, like you say
[01:18] <v3ritas> yeah, i was looking into modifying them but i ran into a wall with configuration. In the past it always just worked OTB so i was kinda sorting thru which part was giving me the problems: the media player, my permissions, or the type of connection
[01:38]  * xGrind is back (gone 00:32:52)
[04:06] <maxineb> i get system lock ups with wireless on (if ethernet not plugged in, so when used?) with brcmsmac and wl, blacklists appropriate whichever is in use, etc. it's a kernel panic and i cant get a dump (or alt sysreq reisub)
[04:08] <maxineb> http://fpaste.org/JIw5/
[04:21] <holstein> maxineb: if it were me, i would probably use some live CD's and see if theres a kernel that has support built in
[04:22] <holstein> then, i would consider just using that kernel
[04:22] <maxineb> well none do, kernel comes with brcmsmac which doesn't work with this particular piece of crap card, though broadcom-sta works on deb squeeze
[04:23] <holstein> maxineb: also, these days hardware is so cheap, getting supported hardware is an option
[04:23] <maxineb> kinda wish things such as wlan card manufacturer would be mentionned on the box and etc :P
[04:24] <holstein> maxineb: you tried the windows drivers with ndis?
[04:24] <maxineb> no
[04:24] <holstein> theres a GUI for it now... its quite easy
[04:25] <holstein> ndisgtk? something like that
[04:25] <maxineb> too tainted
[04:26] <holstein> maxineb: ?
[04:26] <holstein> ndis?
[04:27] <maxineb> also tried the wl in debian's repos, same thing. i suspect a kernel problem anyway
[04:32] <holstein> maxineb: you wont try the windows driver?
[04:42] <maxineb> same thing
[04:42] <maxineb> (also apparently only wl actually works for this thing)
[04:43] <maxineb> ill try with the stable 3.1.X kernel later
[05:46] <DaDaDosPrompt> Hello. Has anyone had troubles with any recent updates to lightdm or the unity-greeter?
[05:53] <DaDaDosPrompt> http://9.tc/~murb/images/bootchart111209.gif I ask because my system is behaving rather strangely at the point in boot where the greeter would usually appear. it blinks the monitors for a while before dumping me into what appears to be the last vestiges of plymouth
[05:59] <zus> hello
[06:02] <zus> i've set up a group for wireshark, to run it as a regular user, and i still cant get it to see my interfaces. is there something i missed that some one  else has dealt wit
[06:03] <DaDaDosPrompt> hmm
[06:04] <DaDaDosPrompt> how are you starting it?
[06:04] <DaDaDosPrompt> from the icon?
[06:04] <DaDaDosPrompt> or from the terminal?
[06:04] <zus> from menu
[06:04] <zus> terminal is the same thing, just tried it
[06:05] <DaDaDosPrompt> did you sudo it from the terminal?
[06:05] <DaDaDosPrompt> I believe you must do that, otherwise you don't have privileges for the device files for the interfaces
[06:06] <zus> let me try sudo, i know if i log in as root it works, but im trying to  avoid that
[06:07] <DaDaDosPrompt> there may be some kind of modification you can do to avoid the need for root privilege to get a successful shark
[06:08] <DaDaDosPrompt> but I've only set up something like that on an OS X machine, which was quite a strange process
[06:08] <zus> with sudo it works. then again as per the read me  runiing it as a regular user, and using root to analyze the packets ..
[06:08] <zus> is the recommended way, even though it installs by default that root is needed for both
[06:14] <zus> hmm i even dpkg-reconfigure wireshark-common and changed it so no su can capture packets.
[06:43] <zus> has anyone got wireshark to run as a regular user?
[07:09] <zus> ill try later, GN all
[08:25] <bigbrovar|> .
[08:27] <baizon> ,
[09:18] <smk> dsa
[09:18] <smk> hello where
[11:19] <sebx> I have the strange problem that chromium gets started with xubuntu every boot. I've disable the "run in backround" setting in Chrome and I've checked the startup applications. What else could it be? Ty
[12:35] <xubuntu225> arriba españa
[12:35] <xubuntu225> viva franco
[13:37] <zus> what do i need on xubuntu to play dvd's? (encrypted ones as well)
[13:37] <zus> xubuntu restricted extras are already installed!
[13:39] <hobgoblin> zus: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[13:39] <zus> checking  it out brb
[13:43] <zus> will this also work for the latest release on 64bit?
[13:44] <zus> bah its already the newest version....
[13:47] <hobgoblin> should be the right version - but I've not used it myself - don't play dvd's on pc's
[13:48] <zus> hmm. one day,.... things will just no longer  have to be an issue.
[13:51] <hobgoblin> :)
[14:05] <zus> any update on the weather applet? has it got fixed yet?
[14:19] <zus> sigh.... dkms.conf: Error! No 'BUILT_MODULE_NAME' directive specified for record #0 Error! Bad conf file  does not represent a valid dkms.conf file.   -- any one  else get this after an update?
[14:30] <zus> has anyone got encrypted dvd's working on 1.10 xubuntu?
[14:33] <JoshD> 11.10?
[14:34] <zus> yeah
[14:34] <babble> zus: I do, with libraries from medibuntu
[14:34] <babble> sec, I'm updating
[14:34] <JoshD> I don't think so.
[14:34] <babble> I'll get the exact packages for you
[14:35] <zus> libdvdcss2 or something? i have the restricted extras installed, even.
[14:35] <babble> libdvdcss2 from medibuntu works in 11.10
[14:35] <babble> repo instructions for medibuntu are here: http://medibuntu.org/repository.php
[14:36] <babble> restricted extras are just patent encumbered things like MP3 and MPEG-4 codecs (de-css is a different kettle of legal fish, I think)
[14:38] <zus> ok ill brb reading the  lnks
[14:38] <zus> link
[14:44] <zus> ok, ill wait for this current download to finish, thanks for the link babble
[14:44] <babble> zus: if you're still stuck, come back
[14:44] <babble> I may be missing an extra, but I don't think so
[14:45] <zus> so far all ive  played and watched  worked, except this dvd i bought...
[14:48] <zus> brb,
[15:16] <zus> babble,  sorry for the  delay, i had to finish a download, that was in progress,... the medibuntu bit worked out... its playing in VLC and in parole media player... thanks
[16:00] <Reklan> afternoon all
[16:01] <Reklan> a quick question if anyone can help, I have just installed xubuntu 11.10 and they software centre is only showing 2515 items available.. On 11.04 I'm sure I could access over 30,000
[16:02] <hobgoblin> chek which repos you have enabled in software sources - update/relaod and have another look
[16:04] <Reklan> ahh cheers, only showing Canonical and Independant  in the other software tab..
[16:05]  * hobgoblin has a quick look here
[16:06] <hobgoblin> same here other than I don't have partners but do have some ppa's -= what about the first tab - I got all except source code
[16:06] <Reklan> same here..
[16:06] <hobgoblin> might just need a reload and then look in software centre then
[16:07] <hobgoblin> but tbh - I never use usc - I prefer cli or synaptic
[16:07] <hobgoblin> sudo apt-get update in a terminal
[16:08] <Reklan> cheers its doing alot of updating now..
[16:11] <hobgoblin> Reklan: k - hope fully that should do it
[16:11] <Reklan> thx hobgoblin, that did the trick....
[16:12] <Reklan> got 36150 item again..
[16:12] <bigbrovar|> Reklan: same here  ucs tend to bring in more bloats than required
[16:13] <hobgoblin> bigbrovar|: it should have exactly the same things available as anything else afaik
[16:13] <hobgoblin> I just find it ridiculously slow
[16:15] <Reklan> i must admit I actually use it for my kids.. weening them on to Linux, and find thats better for them rather than synaptic
[16:15] <hobgoblin> good use of it I guess :)
[16:16] <bigbrovar|> It does just a tend to install lots of recommendations by default
[16:16] <hobgoblin> personally I think it sums up ubuntu of late - a triumph of form over function :p
[16:16] <hobgoblin> yea - I don't think you can stop it installing those
[16:16] <bigbrovar|> I once installed an app which pulled in nautilus without me knowing
[16:16] <Reklan> true... :-)
[16:16] <bigbrovar|> Till t
[16:17] <hobgoblin> bigbrovar|: that was nice then ...
[16:17] <bigbrovar|> Till date I don't know which app that was.. Not didn't even know it was installed I saw it by chance
[16:18] <bigbrovar|> So I always use -R with aptitude or use synaptic which shows me what is going to be installed allowing me to remove what I don't need
[16:18] <hobgoblin> I installed alacarte and forgot to mark no recommends ... glad I noticed the list before I hit go
[16:18] <hobgoblin> at least I think it was alacarte
[16:19] <bigbrovar|> Lol
[16:19] <bigbrovar|> Yeah
[16:19] <bigbrovar|> I think in my case what I installed didn't require nautilus
[16:20] <bigbrovar|> Though nautilus and gnome archive manager were both installed
[16:20] <Reklan> lol  believe it or not .. I'm actually installing Nautilus as we speak
[16:21] <babble> there are a slew of gnome dependencies that get installed with the oddest things (Alacarte (menu editor) is a typical culprit)
[16:21] <hobgoblin> :p
[16:21] <hobgoblin> babble: indeed - caught on quick did hobgoblin
[16:22] <babble> the thing is, I haven't a clue why Nautilus - for example - is a dependency for *Alacarte*
[16:22] <babble> it's always likely that there's stuff going on I'm missing, but I just don't get it
[16:22] <hobgoblin> it's probably a dependency of a dependency
[16:22] <Reklan> doe anyone know if Thunar will be getting network support in the future, so that it can access network shares easily?
[16:22] <babble> then why would it let me UNinstall Nautilus afterward?
[16:23] <babble> it's just odd. hehe.
[16:23] <hobgoblin> no idea
[16:24] <babble> Reklan: I've got a set of usual network mounts that I keep in a folder as URL shortcuts (those open in Thunar if Thunar is set as your default file manager)
[16:24] <hobgoblin> gnome-panel is the dependency of alacarte, the list of dependencies for gnome-panel is rather long :)
[16:24] <babble> eech. I'm gonna have to clean install my system.
[16:24] <babble> <- fond of cruft, apparently.
[16:24] <babble> heh
[16:25] <hobgoblin> :)
[16:25] <Reklan> cheers for the help guys.. time to pick the wife up.. have fun
[16:25] <hobgoblin> cya
[16:28] <babble> woot! the spotify linux preview updated?
[16:28] <babble> huzzah. one less reason to use Winders.
[16:28] <hobgoblin> :)
[16:32] <babble> sigh. I really shouldn't be using Spotify as little as they end up paying to artists, but...
[16:32] <babble> I do lurves me some spotify.
[16:33] <Sysi> only way to get money to artists is donating or going to gigs
[16:33] <babble> Sysi: oh, I know typical record deals are hideous.
[16:33] <babble> I just feel. hm. strange? strange, I guess, helping the situation along with things like Spotify
[16:34] <Sysi> building own music streaming service is kinda dumb when you can get it cheap from somebody, legally
[16:34] <babble> I know it's legal.
[16:34] <babble> it's just.
[16:34] <babble> in my better world, artists would be paid better
[16:34] <knome> #xubuntu-offtopic
[16:38] <teknoduke> i have troubles with volume control
[16:39] <teknoduke> i cant get the max volume xubuntu block it and mute the output
[17:04] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> Hello folks, I wanted to ask a question about dual monitors. I have arandr installed as a GUI, and I want to use the HDMI TV I have hooked up as an extended desktop, not a clone of the display on the laptop.
[17:05] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> What's the exact thing I need to place in either the laptop of HDMI script to make this happen?
[17:05] <knome> i'm not familiar with the arandr gui, but with xrandr, it's something like --left-of
[17:07] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> arandr just presents similar options as in the Display preferences and has a textbox for each active display, so it's somewhat user friendly.
[17:07] <Sysi> you can export scripts with arandr
[17:08] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> But I will look that up with what litttle confirmation I got.
[17:09] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> Rather, excuse Me...
[17:09] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> arandr has a textarea field come up to edit the script for stuff like this.
[17:10] <Sysi> AFAIK it should just export scripts with settings you've done with GUI
[17:11] <jubo2> I loved how Xubuntu had the bootable USB stick maker pre-installed under "system tools" urr thereabouts
[17:12] <jubo2> and it autodetected the .iso file as well as the stick ..
[17:12] <jubo2> What was up with running upgrades disabled the thing that looks like the Scale-plugin for Compiz ( which I did not get to work properly on Xubuntu
[17:13] <jubo2> so I'm on Kubuntu ktnxbai
[17:14] <Sysi> glad you find something suitable for your needs
[17:16] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> I found My answer.
[17:16] <jubo2> Sysi: I cannot has suspend / hibernate immediatelly after hitting the power button once .. I want the best of Xubuntu and best of Kubuntu and best of GNOME put into one OS and a lot of anti-bug work put into it..
[17:17] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> xrandr --output LVDS1 --auto --output HDMI1 --auto --right-of LVDS1
[17:17] <jubo2> there are varying levels of copying Mapple Computer Products Corporation copying goin
[17:17] <jubo2> '... on in teh Linuxen
[17:18] <Myrtti> that makes limited amount of sense
[17:18] <jubo2> Sysi: I've run into bizarre bugs latestly ..
[17:18] <Sysi> jubo2: you could try debian, spend some time setting kde the way you want if xfce lacks something
[17:18] <Sysi> or just ubuntu LTS
[17:19] <jubo2> Sysi: I have serious problems like the OS ( the Xubuntu ) doesn't know how to put wlan shared secrets into a keyring properly
[17:19] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> jubo2: You're using Linux. Bizarre bugs is the name of the game brah!
[17:19] <jubo2> and it's stopped asking passwd for system modifications.. what's up with that ..?
[17:20] <jubo2> and ( this bug also on Kubuntu ) - No soundz in irczorz
[17:20] <Sysi> gksudo remembers authenticarion for fifteen minutes IIRC
[17:20] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> Useability thing for people who log into their PC automatically, yet not know their password.
[17:20] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> I guess...
[17:20] <Sysi> *authentication
[17:20] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> the update manager nver asks me for a pass on Ubuntu anymore, but this behavior exists still in XFCE.
[17:21] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> never*
[17:21] <jubo2> Quassel - hit F7 ( preferences ) - The sounds and bubbles are supposed to be on but they're not .. pre-listening listen plays ok, no sound for !stalk match
[17:22] <Sysi> #kubuntu knows kde/qt apps better
[17:24] <jubo2> Why do the translators lie intentionally, why systems downgrade themselves ?
[17:24] <jubo2> Why couldn't you have just one linux flavour that was really bug free and free ?
[17:25] <Sysi> because people have different opinions
[17:25] <jubo2> I chose Xubuntu originally because I wanted to be out of the KDE / Gnome axel
[17:25] <Sysi> you really should try something outside ubuntu
[17:26] <Sysi> I was about a year with fedora when xubuntu had problems with nvidia
[17:26] <jubo2> Sysi: well [[Linux Mint]] has Compiz pre-installed and enabled
[17:26] <jubo2> so that would seem a savvy choice
[17:26] <jubo2> comes in debian and ubuntu flavours
[17:26] <Sysi> it's ugly ripoff of ubuntu with weird setup and licensing problem, but go ahead and try
[17:27] <jubo2> hey, they have Lxde, that's same WM as Xubuntu
[17:27] <Sysi> no, lxde uses openbox, not xfwm4
[17:27] <jubo2> Sysi: so basically go for debian and forget the other linuxen flavours..
[17:28] <jubo2> I'm not that techie
[17:28] <jubo2> I just want something that is easy to use, intuitive and has reawwy reawwy reawwy little bugs
[17:28] <Sysi> debian has problems too, but it's probably most bug free out there
[17:29] <Sysi> talking about stable release of course
[17:29] <jubo2> On Xubuntu I cannot raise all 4 shells with one action. that's a minus.
[17:30] <jubo2> I have to click quatrice
[17:30] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> arandr is awesome,. and I am stupid.
[17:30] <jubo2> "Bu hao" as they would say in China ..
[17:31] <pleia2> jubo2: this is a support channel for xubuntu, if another distro works better for you then you should use it
[17:31] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> All I had to do with arandr was drag the screen labelled HDMI1 to the right of LVDS1
[17:31] <Sysi> obvious things can be so troublesome
[17:40] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> jubo2: Let's get something straight right away.
[17:41] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> *buntu is not about stability. *buntu is about having the latest in "Innovative" Linux programming.
[17:41] <jubo2> I thought it was user comfort level
[17:41] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> If you want stability, then balls to *buntu, go with Debian and configure your own environment like a man. :P
[17:42] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> Or, something else that uses RPM or YUM.
[17:43] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> Or better yet, want stability? Give TinyCore a try. Then you only have a minimal GUI and have to configure most of everything by hand! P
[17:43] <jubo2> So Ubuntu is about user comfort candy ?
[17:43] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> Hey, least it's 50MB after install. :P
[17:43] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> Yeah, pretty much. Give the user an environment, make t pretty, balls to stability.
[17:44] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> it*
[17:44] <GridCube> !offtopic
[17:45] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> Sorry there GridCube, He wanted an answer to a question regarding *buntu distros in general.
[17:45]  * ThereIsOnlyXUL smiles
[17:46] <GridCube> still not support question
[17:46] <ThereIsOnlyXUL> Understood.
[17:46] <GridCube> :)
[17:47] <GridCube> invite him to offtopic and discuss all what you want :D
[19:23] <w30> How can I make Parole play .swf files (Shock Wave)?
[19:27] <well_laid_lawn> !info xubuntu-restricted-extras
[19:28] <lumio> hello everybody :D I got a liiiittle problem :D I only have a bluetooth mouse and there alreade popped a little box that asks me if I want to allow my mouse to be connected with my computer... "Always accept, Accept, ...." ... unfortunately... I can't click it :P
[19:28] <lumio> does anyone know how to navigate with my keyboard?
[19:28] <holstein> lumio: plug in another mouse? tab to the button and hit enter?
[19:29] <lumio> hm... then I have to search for another mouse :/
[19:29] <lumio> is there no way to be able to use my keyboard?
[19:29] <holstein> OR, try hitting the tab key, and hitting the enter key when you have the button you want to 'click' selected
[19:30] <lumio> is there a keyboard shortcut for opening the system menu?
[19:31] <holstein> these super key, then you can use the arrows, and the enter key, and the tab key
[19:31] <holstein> alt+F2 and run what you want
[19:31] <lumio> ok... how is the system-tools in xubuntu called?
[19:32] <holstein> i would just navigate where you want from the menu
[19:33] <w30> well_laid_lawn, I have restricted addons but not extras, maybe that's the trouble. I will get the extras. Thank you well_laid_lawn
[19:33] <well_laid_lawn> cheers w30
[19:36] <w30> well_laid_lawn, nope, that didn't work. Firefox works though. hmmm......
[19:36] <well_laid_lawn> I use mplayer 'cause it just works
[19:37] <w30> well_laid_lawn, Parole works for everything but .swf so I was hoping for a one shot player *sigh*
[19:40] <w30> well_laid_lawn, I am on a new box, I have always had to have mplayer and mencoder for other uses  so I might as well default to mplayer.
[19:40] <well_laid_lawn> w30: it'll save some work ;)
[19:42] <w30> well_laid_lawn, A good way to speed Linux up is to edit /proc/cpuinfo, line 4 to read "model name      : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2600K CPU @ 3.40GHz"  *ha*
[19:48] <lumio> ok I don't have a mouse
[20:16] <ubuntu> i installed debian on another partition. till the grub portion. when i boot up it says grub rescue>  how can i get xubuntu and debian to show up on my original xubuntu grub? im on a live disc rright now
[20:17] <ubuntu> did my  text get chopped?
[20:17] <holstein> !grub2
[20:18] <holstein> hmmm... interesting...
[20:18] <holstein> anyways... i would read the part about recovering from a live CD
[20:18] <holstein> recovering grub using a live CD
[20:19] <ubuntu> thanks, i tried to put debian on a  partition.
[20:20] <holstein> ubuntu: right... just recover grub from the live CD... GRUB will find all the OS's and boot them... you can try something like plop or gag too
[20:21] <ubuntu> should i do a  /boot next time?
[20:37] <w30> well_laid_lawn, thanks again, gotta go..
[21:20] <lighta> heya, does someone using netbeans here ? having some trouble lauching it sometime, it's like it's closing with no reason
[21:21] <GridCube> nop
[21:27] <lighta> sad =(
[21:39] <Crash_O-D> what can i use to decompile swf and recompile?
[21:43] <thirdy> hi, I'm planning to try out devilspie, however, I thought I would ask for an advise here first
[21:44] <thirdy> are there any other popular desktop customization software?
[21:52] <GridCube> i like using screenlets
[21:55] <ubuntu> what was the grub site again, it managed to get a grub but when i boot into my xubuntu it gets stuck at the bluebackground with that bar sliding side to side.... then nothing
[21:58] <GridCube> then grub has nothing to do
[21:58] <GridCube> check xorg
[22:00] <thirdy> GridCube, thanks, probably the better way of getting what I want
[22:00] <GridCube> :)
[22:06] <thirdy> GridCube, is there an option to embed it on the desktop? meaning it wont get minimized
[22:13] <GridCube> thirdy, http://imagebin.org/187961 see that last check  box? it should say something about the program deamon, uncheck it like mine
[22:15] <thirdy> GridCube, great, let you know once I finish installing. cool deskop btw
[22:16] <GridCube> thanks :)
[22:17] <GridCube> i changed the system font to the ubuntu one, it looks better in my opinion :P
[22:21] <thirdy> another question. I changed my computer's name by editing a config file I forgot about. now I'm getting "unable to resolve host <newhost name>". Luckily I got to fix this quickly by fixing /etc/hosts. Now I wonder are there any other gotchas I need to fix. hmm
[22:22] <GridCube> no idea
[22:24] <DaDaDosPrompt> yeah, you may have to change it with the hostname command itself
[22:24] <DaDaDosPrompt> I did that once myself, with the same result, and I feel as though I had to either alter more than one file or else alter a file and run a command
[22:25] <Myrtti> or change it in both /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname
[22:26] <Unit193> !hostname | Should have the info
[22:28] <DaDaDosPrompt> Anyone been having any issues with the unity-greeter crashing as of a recent update? I seem to be having that problem, but I can't isolate a cause in the Xorg logs.
[22:28] <GridCube> why do you have the unity greeter?
[22:28] <thirdy> etc/hosts & etc/hostname are the same, thanks, that's one successful fix :)
[22:28] <DaDaDosPrompt> I'm not even precisely sure why unity-greeter would be running on xubuntu, since it uses lightdm, though it seems as if lightdm's greeter is also crashing on boot
[22:28] <GridCube> O_o
[22:28] <DaDaDosPrompt> man, you got me
[22:29] <DaDaDosPrompt> want to see my boot chart?
[22:29] <DaDaDosPrompt> the behavior is completely ridiculous
[22:29] <GridCube> xubuntu uses the lightdm
[22:29] <GridCube> but we use our own greeter
[22:29] <GridCube> its not very pretty yet, but it will be
[22:30] <DaDaDosPrompt> http://9.tc/~murb/images/bootchart111209.gif the image is pretty large, but if you look at the CPU waveform and then scroll down until you see Xorg going berserk, you'll see both lightdm-greeter and unity-greeter crashing pretty quickly
[22:30] <DaDaDosPrompt> in older charts they seemed to run for much longer
[22:32] <DaDaDosPrompt> that little Xorg spasm has a strange appearance
[22:32] <DaDaDosPrompt> the monitors blink on for fractions of a second in some unknowable sequence as the X server tries and fails to start
[22:33] <DaDaDosPrompt> seems like it does that about 55 times or so, then fails over to what I'd guess are leftover plymouth screens, at which point I can login to another tty and startx from there
[22:34] <GridCube> DaDaDosPrompt, edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf and change the last line to > greeter-session=lightdm-gtk-greeter
[22:34] <DaDaDosPrompt> ah, it's set to unity-greeter for some reason
[22:35] <DaDaDosPrompt> must have been something with a package
[22:35] <GridCube> yep
[22:35] <DaDaDosPrompt> guess I should reboot and see what happens
[22:35] <DaDaDosPrompt> cripes, hope this fixes it
[22:36] <GridCube> :)
[22:36] <GridCube> good luck reboot and come back to tell us
[22:36] <GridCube> :D
[22:36] <DaDaDosPrompt> alrighty, rebooting
[22:37] <DaDaDosPrompt> sure hope it works. rebuilding this machine is pretty tough for other inscrutable reasons
[22:37] <DaDaDosPrompt> Probably my punishment for running a GPU that requires proprietary Catalyst drivers
[22:38] <DaDaDosPrompt> Hooray!
[22:38] <DaDaDosPrompt> GridCube, you are my hero!
[22:38] <DaDaDosPrompt> let's see if I can log in
[22:39] <DaDaDosPrompt> lost the cool bootscreen with the black background and the white dots, but it's a small price to pay
[22:39] <GridCube> yes, pretty lightdm greeter will come with PP
[22:40] <DaDaDosPrompt> Ok, looks like it's most of the way back. Just gotta figure out what killed my terminal transparency and things should be back to normal. Guess I'll type up some notes.
[22:41] <Sawkus> quick question about dual monitors, is there a way I can drag programs across monitors?  I suppose this might just mean disabling dragging across workspaces, which is fine for me
[22:42] <DaDaDosPrompt> Depends on your GPU. Does your Xorg.conf contain a line concerning "Virtual" ?
[22:42] <DaDaDosPrompt> What sort of GPU are you using, and which drivers?
[22:42] <GridCube> Sawkus, depends on how you set up your dual monitors
[22:43] <GridCube> if you just extend your desktop just move your windows
[22:43] <Sawkus> I'm using nvidia's drivers on an nvidia 240
[22:43] <DaDaDosPrompt> did you write your own Xorg.conf, or did the Nvidia tool do it?
[22:43] <Sawkus> I used nvidia's
[22:44] <DaDaDosPrompt> ok, run this and tell me if you get any output
[22:44] <Sawkus> I set up this second monitor (actually a tv) just a few minutes ago, so I haven't tried a lot
[22:44] <DaDaDosPrompt> grep -i virtual /etc/X11/xorg.conf; echo $?;
[22:44] <Sawkus> 1
[22:45] <Sawkus> 1 was the output
[22:46] <DaDaDosPrompt> ok
[22:47] <DaDaDosPrompt> what that means is that it didn't find a "Virtual" line in your config file
[22:47] <DaDaDosPrompt> can you take a screencap of your nvidia setup interface?
[22:47] <DaDaDosPrompt> I don't have one in front of me on a multi-monitor rig.
[22:47] <Sawkus> sure, which part of it?
[22:47] <DaDaDosPrompt> one dealing with multiple monitors
[22:47] <DaDaDosPrompt> actually, let me go boot my Revo. It probably uses the same basic interface
[22:48] <DaDaDosPrompt> But on this rig, multiple monitors required that a "Virutal" variable be defined in the xorg.conf, which sets up a "virtual desktop" and specifies its dimensions
[22:48] <DaDaDosPrompt> and the multiple monitors represent what I would describe as "slices" of this desktop
[22:49] <DaDaDosPrompt> I believe that's an XRandR feature
[22:49] <DaDaDosPrompt> though it may also be Xinerama. I haven't been able to determine which it is from the docs I've found on the subject, and the best book on X11 doesn't seem to know about this stuff either.
[22:50] <Sawkus> I don't have xinerama enabled, should I click that box?
[22:50] <DaDaDosPrompt> err, hold off
[22:50] <DaDaDosPrompt> here's what's bugging me, and I apologize I can't offer more info on the subject
[22:50] <DaDaDosPrompt> Xinerama, from what I can tell, is vastly outdated
[22:50] <DaDaDosPrompt> the Xinerama main site, or what I took to be the main site, hasn't been updated in eons
[22:51] <Sawkus> ah
[22:51] <DaDaDosPrompt> I'd look for some other option, but you can try enabling it if you see nothing else
[22:51] <DaDaDosPrompt> I don't have it enabled on my AMD, and I'm rolling three monitors
[22:51] <DaDaDosPrompt> so my xorg.conf has a line reading "Virtual 4480 1920"
[22:52] <Sawkus> I mean the first thing I should probably try is disabling dragging across workspaces, right?  I can't find the option to do that
[22:52] <DaDaDosPrompt> but that said, I don't trust the Catalyst Control center any further than I can throw it, and I can't throw it very far
[22:52] <DaDaDosPrompt> disable it?
[22:52] <DaDaDosPrompt> sounds like you want to enable it
[22:52] <DaDaDosPrompt> have I misunderstood?
[22:52] <Sawkus> I think so, umm
[22:53] <Sawkus> dragging across workspaces meaning that as I drag a window across the left of my screen, it moves to workspace two, and if I drag it down, it goes to workspace three (I have 2x2)
[22:53] <DaDaDosPrompt> ooh, hm
[22:53] <DaDaDosPrompt> yeah, you can try that
[22:54] <DaDaDosPrompt> is that an option in the GPU config application?
[22:54] <DaDaDosPrompt> or is that a desktop manager option?
[22:54] <DaDaDosPrompt> if it's the latter, I'd bet that it won't help
[22:54] <GridCube> Sawkus, what if you just have 2 desktops?
[22:54] <GridCube> or just one?
[22:55] <Sawkus> I have four workspaces if that's what you mean, but I can select to "send to workspace x" or ctrl-alt down/up/left/right to move across workspaces
[22:55] <GridCube> yes
[22:55] <GridCube> but get just one and see if you can drag the windows to the other monitor
[22:56] <Sawkus> maybe I should specify, I have no problem dragging my mouse to the other monitor
[22:56] <Sawkus> and oh, thanks I misunderstood
[22:56] <Sawkus> no I can not
[22:57] <GridCube> Sawkus, install arandr
[22:57] <GridCube> and control the duality from there
[22:57] <GridCube> XD
[23:02] <DaDaDosPrompt> what package does arandr correspond to?
[23:02] <DaDaDosPrompt> also, hehe, fixed my terminal transparency
[23:02] <DaDaDosPrompt> think I'm back in business
[23:02] <DaDaDosPrompt> most excellent
[23:02] <Sawkus> arandr is it's own package
[23:03] <GridCube> yes
[23:03] <DaDaDosPrompt> ah. but is it specific to any particular GPU driver stack?
[23:03] <GridCube> no
[23:04] <GridCube> its a front end for randr
[23:04] <DaDaDosPrompt> oooh
[23:05] <Sawkus> a guide for randr said to edit xorg, but as to which one, here's my xconf:
[23:05] <Sawkus> http://paste.ubuntu.com/766390/
[23:06] <GridCube> oh...
[23:06] <Sawkus> ** sorry I mean but I'm not sure as to which line to edit
[23:06] <GridCube> you have two x instances
[23:07] <GridCube> screen0 and screen1
[23:07] <GridCube> i don't understand much of xorg
[23:07] <GridCube> but i guess arandr will help you
[23:08] <Sawkus> this probably means nothing but from arandr output:
[23:08] <Sawkus> http://paste.ubuntu.com/766390/
[23:08] <Sawkus> 'woosp
[23:08] <Sawkus> *woops I mean
[23:08] <Sawkus> /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/screenlayout/xrandr.py:42: UserWarning: XRandR wrote to stderr, but did not report an error (Message was: 'xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default\n')
[23:08] <Sawkus>   warnings.warn("XRandR wrote to stderr, but did not report an error (Message was: %r)"%err)
[23:08] <GridCube> no idea sorry
[23:08] <GridCube> :(
[23:08] <Sawkus> okay, probably no big deal then
[23:09] <GridCube> someone smarter might help you
[23:10] <Sawkus> I'm really not sure what I'm looking at for xrandr, the monitor it shows is "Default"
[23:13] <Sawkus> is this what it should show?
[23:14] <GridCube> i guess so
[23:14] <Sawkus> and when I run it with the -q switch, it only shows one monitor as well
[23:16] <GridCube> Sawkus, take a screenshot of arandr please
[23:16] <GridCube> and pass it here
[23:16] <GridCube> !imagebin
[23:17] <Sawkus> actually, I didn't have twinview enabled in nvidia display config
[23:18] <GridCube> http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/X.Org/Dual_Monitors
[23:20] <Sawkus> when I switch to twinview, Failed to set MetaMode (1) 'DFP-0: nvidia-auto-select @1920x1080 +0+0, DFP-1: 1920x1080 @1920x1080 +1920+0' (Mode 3840x1080, id: 50) on X screen 0.
[23:22] <Crash_O-D> http://paste.ubuntu.com/766400/ errors when trying to make a file to install
[23:29] <Xenicide> Does anyone know what the boot options are during install?
[23:31] <Sawkus> gridcube: http://imagebin.org/187975
[23:31] <Sawkus> as you had asked
[23:31] <GridCube> D:
[23:32] <Sawkus> what am I doing wrong?
[23:32] <GridCube> you just have one screen there
[23:32] <GridCube> i don't know
[23:32] <GridCube> doesnt the link i pased you help?
[23:32] <GridCube> http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/X.Org/Dual_Monitors


[08:12] <coderphive> Anyone noticed a bug crop up that makes the mouse miss clicks?
[08:13] <coderphive> I switched my compositor over to OpenGL v3.1 and it seems to have improved things, but I wanted to see if anyone else has seen it.
[08:13] <coderphive> I'm also on Vega-M drivers, so it could be consistent with that too
[15:43] <Alexfrench> there are a lot of news updates on ubuntu is kubuntu concerned too ?
[18:16] <valorie> Alexfrench: that depends on the news
[18:16] <valorie> anything specific you are referring to?


[01:02] <mwhudson> anastasiamac: could you look at https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/3961 (it's not getting into reviewboard for some reason)
[01:09] <cmars> anastasiamac, thanks!
[01:10] <anastasiamac> mwhudson: of course \o/
[01:13] <mwhudson> anastasiamac: thanks
[01:13] <anastasiamac> mwhudson: lgtm :D
[01:16] <mwhudson> anastasiamac: thanks. how do i merge it? :-)
[01:17] <anastasiamac> mwhudson: i believe that there is a bot on this repo... have u tried $$merge$$?
[01:18] <mwhudson> no, let's find out
[01:18] <anastasiamac> k
[02:05] <perrito666> hey good morning
[02:05] <anastasiamac> perrito666: hi o/
[02:06] <anastasiamac> how is sunshine coast?
[02:06] <perrito666> nice and sunny
[02:06] <anastasiamac> aeesome \o/
[02:06] <anastasiamac> i hope hot too - m removing all long-sleeve stuff from suitecase :D
[02:24] <wallyworld> cherylj: i think it's a one line, fix, http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/3386/
[02:27] <cherylj> wallyworld: lgtm.  Let's hope that's it :)
[02:27] <wallyworld> cherylj: i think it is jusdging by the error
[02:30] <wallyworld> cherylj: the cutover for alpha2, that's in a few hours?
[02:30] <cherylj> yeah, no.  I don't think we're going to get an alpha1 out this week.
[02:31] <wallyworld> cherylj: works well for me then - i have a couple of series in metadata fixes i want to do later today
[02:31] <cherylj> heh, sounds good :)
[02:32] <wallyworld> about about to leave for sprint, will do them later tonight
[02:32] <cherylj> have a safe trip, wallyworld :)
[02:32] <wallyworld> cherylj: will do, it's only a 2 hours drive :-)
[02:32] <wallyworld> not a 16 hour flight :-)
[02:32] <cherylj> ha, nice
[02:43] <anastasiamac> cherylj: and i will b driving - so wallyworld will be safe \o/
[02:43] <anastasiamac> :D
[09:58] <dimitern> frobware, hey, sorry I missed our 1:1
[09:59] <frobware> dimitern, np
[10:52] <voidspace> dimitern: Error handling subnets "Default space" is not a valid tag
[10:52] <voidspace> dimitern: that's  great!!
[10:52] <dimitern> voidspace, you should upgrade your maas :)
[10:52] <voidspace> dimitern: lots of problems with rc3
[10:53] <voidspace> staying with rc2 was deliberate
[10:53] <voidspace> dimitern: think it's worth upgrading?
[10:53] <voidspace> dimitern: frobware has had various issues with the upgrade (node addresses and leases)
[10:53] <dimitern> voidspace, since rc2 or thereabouts spaces are now called "space-0" and fabrics like "fabric-0"
[10:53] <voidspace> dimitern: anyway, I'll just add name translation
[10:53] <voidspace> dimitern: facade registration worked
[10:53] <dimitern> voidspace, is "Default space" the name or the description?
[10:54] <voidspace> dimitern: name
[10:55] <dimitern> voidspace, I'd first try renaming that to "space-0"
[10:55] <dimitern> voidspace, it used to be forbidden to change the default space's name
[10:56] <dimitern> voidspace, if you can change it with $ maas <profile> space update 0 name=space-0
[10:56] <voidspace> dimitern: yeah, I did that - now I get "foozle" is not a valid tag, so there's obviously more I need to do in my code
[10:56] <voidspace> ("foozle" was the random name I picked)
[10:57] <voidspace> ah, maybe I'm using space name on subnets when I should be using tags
[10:57] <dimitern> voidspace, yeah - that was what we talked about yesterday I think - space tags are "space-<name>" and should be used instead of space name in api params (except for creating a new one I guess - except to check for dupes)
[10:57] <frobware> dimitern, can we sync?
[10:58] <dimitern> frobware, sure - standup HO?
[10:58] <frobware> yep
[12:06] <mup> Bug #1526296 opened: deploy charm with --series --force doesn't reject invalid OS <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1526296>
[12:09] <mup> Bug #1526296 changed: deploy charm with --series --force doesn't reject invalid OS <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1526296>
[12:18] <mup> Bug #1526296 opened: deploy charm with --series --force doesn't reject invalid OS <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1526296>
[13:59] <abentley> cherylj: Good morning.  Bug #1526063 has only been observed in the maas-spaces branch.  I meant to mark it incomplete for master, since we don't have evidence that it's there.
[13:59] <mup> Bug #1526063: TestNoContextWithLock <ci> <intermittent-failure> <test-failure> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core maas-spaces:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1526063>
[14:00] <abentley> cherylj: But if we do mark it high in master, we have been assigning it to a milestone also.
[14:36] <voidspace> dimitern: what's the correct way to create a tag - first check it's valid and then call New*Tag ?
[14:37] <dimitern> voidspace, it depends on what New*Tag() does, but most of them IIRC call IsValid*Tag() and panic if it's not
[14:37] <voidspace> dimitern: right, that's why to check if valid first
[14:37] <dimitern> voidspace, so it's better to check before calling it
[14:37] <voidspace> dimitern: if *not* that, then what?
[14:37] <voidspace> so that is the correct way
[14:37] <voidspace> thanks
[14:37] <dimitern> voidspace, where are you getting the name from?
[14:38] <voidspace> dimitern: subnet.CIDR and space.ProviderId
[14:39] <voidspace> (I've got past the tag probl
[14:39] <voidspace> oops
[14:39] <cherylj> abentley: I marked it as triaged for both, as both seem to have the same code
[14:40] <dimitern> voidspace, so ProviderId can be anything, so but you're not validating it anyway, right?
[14:40] <voidspace> dimitern: I'm doing a simple transform first in my current code
[14:40] <dimitern> voidspace, as for the CIDR, if it's invalid and you want to convert it to a subnet tag, then it's an error
[14:40] <voidspace> sure
[14:40] <voidspace> it's the actual mechanics of creating the tag I was asking about
[14:42] <voidspace> currently I have a panic on the apiserver when trying to list spaces - nil pointer dereference
[14:42] <dimitern> voidspace, hmm does it say where?
[14:42] <voidspace> calling space.ProviderId()
[14:43] <voidspace> in reflect/value.go from ProviderId()
[14:43] <voidspace> which is new
[14:43] <voidspace> interesting
[14:44] <voidspace> if a field is "omitempty" in a doc then will accessing it get you a nil pointer dereference?
[14:44] <voidspace> I just assumed that for a string, omitempty would default to an empty string
[14:45] <mup> Bug #1517258 changed: juju 1.24.7 precise: container failed to start and was destroyed <oil> <juju-core:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517258>
[14:51] <voidspace> dimitern: ah, spaceShim doesn't have a ProviderId
[14:51] <voidspace> I think that's it
[14:51] <mup> Bug #1517258 opened: juju 1.24.7 precise: container failed to start and was destroyed <oil> <juju-core:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517258>
[14:52] <voidspace> that makes more sense
[14:54] <dimitern> voidspace, right :) missed that one
[15:00] <mup> Bug #1517258 changed: juju 1.24.7 precise: container failed to start and was destroyed <oil> <juju-core:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517258>
[15:02] <dimitern> dooferlad, you've got a review
[15:03] <dooferlad> dimitern: thanks!
[15:03] <mup> Bug #1517258 opened: juju 1.24.7 precise: container failed to start and was destroyed <oil> <juju-core:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517258>
[15:06] <mup> Bug #1517258 changed: juju 1.24.7 precise: container failed to start and was destroyed <oil> <juju-core:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517258>
[15:14] <voidspace> dimitern: you didn't miss it, ProviderId is new
[15:15] <voidspace> dimitern: I didn't realise it would need to be added to spaceShim as well
[15:15] <voidspace> re-bootstrapping now
[15:15] <frobware> dimitern, you about for 10-15 mins after the OS call?
[15:16] <dimitern> voidspace, heh I meant you added that recently to AddSpace et al, right? :)
[15:17] <dimitern> frobware, sounds good
[15:18] <frobware> dimitern, as a heads-up just trying to add to the release notes for the AWS support post 15.10
[15:21] <dimitern> frobware, ah, nice
[15:22] <dimitern> frobware, I though I already added something about it in Juju 1.25.0 Release Notes doc
[15:23] <frobware> dimitern, it's the stuff we've done since then, mostly bug fixes IIRC
[15:23] <dimitern> frobware, +1
[15:43] <voidspace> dimitern: space imported on bootstrap!
[15:43] <dimitern> voidspace, awesome!! \o/
[15:44] <dimitern> voidspace, so as soon as my other branch lands, they should be usable in constrains right after bootstrap
[15:44] <voidspace> dimitern: hmm... but not the subnets
[15:44] <voidspace> dammit
[15:44] <voidspace> ok, next step of debugging
[15:44] <dimitern> voidspace, ah :)
[15:58] <dooferlad> dimitern: replied to review - just a query about your comment about the comment...
[16:03] <cherylj> hey dimitern, are you still working on bug 1525280?
[16:03] <mup> Bug #1525280: 1.25.1 with maas 1.8: devices dns allocation uses non-unique hostname <maas-provider> <network> <regression> <juju-core:Triaged by dimitern> <juju-core 1.25:In Progress by dimitern> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1525280>
[16:03] <katco> cherylj: did you already bump the min version blueprint to a2?
[16:04] <cherylj> katco: yes, let me re-generate the tracking page
[16:05] <katco> cherylj: ty for doing that
[16:08] <dimitern> dooferlad, cheers - replied
[16:09] <dimitern> cherylj, hey, I'm still sorting out a few issues and testing but it will be ready today
[16:09] <cherylj> awesome, thanks dimitern
[16:29] <frobware> dimitern, if you would like a tester for your change I can help
[16:30] <dimitern> frobware, I'll push the changes during the OS call
[16:30] <dimitern> frobware, it will be good to get a second verification
[16:33] <dimitern> voidspace, openstack call?
[16:35] <voidspace> dimitern: omw
[16:55] <natefinch> katco: you said no retrospective this friday, right/
[16:55] <katco> natefinch: yeah i'm going to cancel
[16:55] <natefinch> katco: ok, cool, just making sure.
[16:55] <katco> natefinch: you still need to show up for work though :)
[16:56] <natefinch> katco: awww man
[17:02] <voidspace> dimitern: hmm... just had a thought, I bet adding a subnet with a spaceTag isn't sufficient to associate it with that space is it
[17:02] <voidspace> I bet I need to do more...
[17:02] <voidspace> hmmm... no, that's not the root problem - subnet list is also empty even though it found the subnets from the provider and called AddSubnet
[17:03] <voidspace> I wasn't checking the result error field in the first cut though - I've added that now
[17:03] <voidspace> so at least I should see an error if one occurs
[17:07] <voidspace> dimitern: error creating subnet SubnetTag and SubnetProviderId cannot be both set
[17:07] <voidspace> dimitern: so that's straightforward
[17:08] <dimitern> voidspace, ah :)
[17:08] <dimitern> voidspace, yeah - use the provider id
[17:10] <voidspace> dimitern: ok
[17:10] <voidspace> dimitern: which means we don't use the CIDR at all creating the subnet
[17:25] <dimitern> voidspace, we do on AWS
[17:25] <dimitern> as an alternative to using provider id
[17:26] <dimitern> voidspace, the idea is, if you have provider-id, you can uniquely identify the subnet, whereas with just a CIDR it might be ambiguous (depending on how it's specified)
[17:30] <voidspace> dimitern: next issue is in the maas provider itself
[17:30] <voidspace> dimitern: exited "discoverspaces": error creating subnet cannot get provider subnets: instance "" not found
[17:30] <voidspace> dimitern: that's new code, so obviously needs some work
[17:30] <voidspace> (the new subnets code)
[17:30] <voidspace> on the apiserver side
[17:30] <voidspace> it's an interesting journey :-)
[17:44] <dimitern> voidspace, dooferlad, frobware, please have a look http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/3388/ - fixed the critical bug 1525280
[17:44] <mup> Bug #1525280: 1.25.1 with maas 1.8: devices dns allocation uses non-unique hostname <maas-provider> <network> <regression> <juju-core:Triaged by dimitern> <juju-core 1.25:In Progress by dimitern> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1525280>
[17:45] <dimitern> voidspace, I've fixed that in my other branch btw
[17:49] <mgz> dimitern: this is address allocation only right?
[17:50] <dimitern> voidspace, have a look please - one more thing to do and will set it to land: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/3921
[17:59] <dimitern> mgz, nope
[17:59] <dimitern> mgz, it's the default behavior now
[18:00] <dimitern> mgz, but I tried not to break the addressable containers as well
[18:01] <mgz> dimitern: sorry, should have been clearer, this is only an issue when we have explict address allocation on, as in 1.25 or 1.24 with flah?
[18:02] <dimitern> mgz, ah, well.. that's a good question
[18:03] <dimitern> mgz, I think it's fine with the flag still
[18:03] <dimitern> mgz, but just doing a quick test now on 1.25+1.9rc4+address-allocation
[18:43] <voidspace> dimitern: EOD, but I can look later tonight
[18:44] <dimitern> voidspace, cheers, if you can I'll appreciate it
[18:45] <voidspace> dimitern: yep
[18:45] <voidspace> dimitern: ah, I thought empty instance id already worked!
[18:45] <voidspace> dimitern: I thought I'd done that, my fault then :-)
[18:50] <frobware> dimitern, should I expect a different name. I see: instance-id: juju-machine-0-lxc-0
[18:53] <dimitern> frobware, in status it will be the same, but if you check the node details on the web UI, you should see a section about containers and VMs and it will be there with the unique hostname
[18:54] <katco> natefinch: wwitzel3: have you had a chance to review ericsnow 's patch? http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/3375/
[18:54] <natefinch> katco: almost done with mine
[18:55] <dimitern> mgz, it's good that I checked, as it turned out I did break the addressable containers unintentionally; fortunately it's quite easy to fix
[19:05] <frobware> dimitern, mgz: we need (developer-centric) automation in this area. Too much manual testing... :(
[19:05] <katco> natefinch: also, is your patch ready to be reviewed?
[19:05] <katco> natefinch: or still a wip?
[19:05] <frobware> dimitern, in the new year we should have a spike on automation
[19:05] <natefinch> katco: it is ready to be reviewed
[19:06] <katco> natefinch: sweet tal
[19:07] <frobware> dimitern, its says "fixed" for me.  fixed-kitten-juju-machine-0-lxc-0.maas :)
[19:09] <dimitern> frobware, awesome, isn't it? :)
[19:09] <frobware> dimitern, want me to sanity test with multiple nics or shouldn't it matter?
[19:10] <dimitern> frobware, it might matter, the more tests the better - but don't feel obliged
[19:20] <frobware> dimitern, looking again at your revised patch
[19:24] <dimitern> frobware, cheers - pure luck I got that on the first attempt (a second test triggered it after a few attempts)
[19:27] <katco> natefinch: review up. should have some things to address
[19:27] <natefinch> katco: cool, thanks.
[19:28] <frobware> dimitern, how come allocate-address worked without requiring a pointer before?
[19:30] <dimitern> frobware, :) long story - it basically expected to get a concrete address to try allocating
[19:30] <dimitern> frobware, so it didn't need to return anything but an error
[19:30] <frobware> yuck
[19:35] <frobware> dimitern, I could do this in the review but figured we might go quicker here: splitting host on '.'  what happens for some-host.qacdo.maas?
[19:36] <dimitern> frobware, it will work as funny-joke-juju-machine-1-lxc-1.qacdo.maas"
[19:36] <dimitern> frobware, hmm.. but I think I check if the parts are exactly 2 - good point!
[19:36] <frobware> dimitern, right
[19:37] <frobware> dimitern, line 1405 I think is the issue, not necessarily the split
[19:38] <dimitern> frobware, yep, good catch
[19:51] <frobware> dimitern, Is vs IS - is the plan to fix them up as we find them?
[19:51] <frobware> dimitern, correction: Id vs ID
[19:57] <dimitern> frobware, that's a can of worms right there :) the consensus seems to point towards ID recently though
[19:57] <frobware> dimitern, fwiw - for me it would be better to do this in a different PR - less to review
[19:58] <dimitern> frobware, agreed - these are just a few drive-by fixes
[20:03] <wwitzel3> ericsnow: looking at your patch now
[20:03] <wwitzel3> katco: ^
[20:10] <dimitern> dooferlad, fwiw the merge bot doesn't take kindly $$c o m m e n t s$$ with spaces apparently
[20:18] <frobware> dimitern, why did so many of the IP addrs get bumped?  2.1 => 2.2, for example.
[20:20] <natefinch> katco, ericsnow, wwitzel3:  Forgot to mention this mornnig - I'll be in an out tomorrow.  My wife had a  dentist appointment rescheduled which is screwing up a good part of the afternoon.
[20:21] <dimitern> frobware, because tests were simpler before and didn't care about the default gateway, and assumed all networks of a node have .1 IPs
[20:21] <natefinch> katco, ericsnow, wwitzel3: should be good for the morning, though.
[20:21] <frobware> dimitern, ha. makes sense. thx.
[20:21] <frobware> dimitern, subtle though.
[20:22] <dimitern> frobware, yeah :)
[20:23] <natefinch> gotta take off a  little early, but will be back later tonight
[20:24] <dimitern> and the maas-spaces live test with even more complex constraints works!
[20:32] <frobware> dimitern, great!
[22:12] <ericsnow> katco, natefinch-afk, wwitzel3: could you also take a look at https://github.com/juju/charm/pull/184
[22:15] <katco> ericsnow: sure
[22:22] <ericsnow> katco, natefinch-afk: I've addressed all review comments except for the one about the CharmStore interface
[22:22] <ericsnow> katco: regarding that one, did you have any alternatives to recommend?
[22:29] <katco> ericsnow: i'd have to look at the interface again
[22:29] <katco> ericsnow: one sec
[22:32] <katco> ericsnow: maybe like ResourceLister?
[22:33] <katco> ericsnow: if we stick with nouns, i agree CharmStore is fine
[22:33] <katco> ericsnow: and also it's not really a huge deal :)
[22:34] <ericsnow> katco: I was going to say that we are going to add a bunch of other methods, but actually that's not true
[22:34] <ericsnow> katco: so I'm fine with doing the normal Go interface name thing
[22:34] <katco> ericsnow: well and if we do, i would suggest we pass in multiple interfaces that are grouped by functionality
[23:29] <wallyworld> cherylj: that fix did the trick for 1.25 \o/ so I assume you're looking to release real soon now?
[23:33] <cherylj> wallyworld: for 1.25.2, yes.  We're just waiting on dimitern's fix for bug 1525280
[23:33] <mup> Bug #1525280: 1.25.1 with maas 1.8: devices dns allocation uses non-unique hostname <maas-provider> <network> <regression> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core 1.25:In Progress by dimitern> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1525280>
[23:34] <wallyworld> awesome, will be good to see that fixed
[23:40] <alexisb> wallyworld, thanks for the quick fix on the windows issue yesterday
[23:40] <wallyworld> sure, np
[23:40] <alexisb> wallyworld, how is the beach? :)
[23:40] <wallyworld> terrible :-(
[23:40] <blahdeblah> Yeah - surf is a bit small at the moment
[23:40] <alexisb> are you trying to make me feel better
[23:40] <wallyworld> i have a horrbile photo i'm going to share with you soon
[23:41] <alexisb> punk
[23:41] <blahdeblah> I could barely catch a wave at all this morning
[23:41] <wallyworld> blahdeblah: where are you based?
[23:41] <blahdeblah> wallyworld: Sunshine Coast
[23:41] <wallyworld> blahdeblah: ah, we're sprinting at moolooabah
[23:41] <blahdeblah> nice
[23:42] <wallyworld> we're having a chrosmas party on the weekend
[23:42] <wallyworld> want to come?
[23:42] <blahdeblah> When is it?
[23:42] <wallyworld> sat night?
[23:42] <wallyworld> haven't locked it in yet
[23:42] <blahdeblah> Will have to check with the social director, but sounds good.
[23:42] <wallyworld> ok, let me know asap if you can as places along the esplanade fill up real quick atm
[23:43] <blahdeblah> will do
[23:43] <wallyworld> and yes, waves are a bit small :-)
[23:44] <blahdeblah> mooloolaba will always be small, but even the open beaches are small this week
[23:44] <wallyworld> indeed
[23:44] <blahdeblah> Not that it will stop me having a go. ;-)
[23:44] <wallyworld> me either


[04:25] <pleia2> alright, sent off to editors
[16:33] <jose> wxl: remember that incomplete post? Michelle just updated me, it's now fixed
[17:05] <PaulW2U> pleia2: Date formats in summaries. US, doesn't matter or the same as in the original article?
[17:51] <wxl> jose: yeah i saw jane's tweet this morn ;)
[18:54] <pleia2> PaulW2U: hm, good question, I think it doesn't matter unless it's confusing (ie 02/12/2014 is confusing because that could mean february or december)
[18:54] <pleia2> if confusing, then just spell out the month, doesn't matter which order if it's spelled out
[18:57] <PaulW2U> ok, thanks


[13:59] <bhearsum> my thunderbird is ever so slightly transparent....
[13:59] <bhearsum> but Firefox isn't, strangely
[14:28] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, oh, that doesn't sound normal ;)
[14:29] <bhearsum> yeah...
[14:29] <bhearsum> how do i debug this?
[14:29] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, not too sure. the whole window is transparent?
[14:29] <bhearsum> yeah
[14:30] <bhearsum> it doesn't look like any other GTK things are
[14:30] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, this is on unity? (or unity 2d)?
[14:30] <bhearsum> (just tried gedit, for comparison)
[14:31] <bhearsum> yeah, unity
[14:31] <bhearsum> how do i know if i'm on 2d?
[14:32] <chrisccoulson> good question :)
[14:32] <chrisccoulson> do you have a compiz process running?
[14:33] <bhearsum> yeah
[14:33] <bhearsum> and i use the NVIDIA drivers, so i'm probably not 2d :)
[14:33] <chrisccoulson> yeah, you've got the normal session then
[14:33] <chrisccoulson> which means it's probably a compiz bug ;)
[14:33] <chrisccoulson> i blame everything on compiz :)
[14:34] <chrisccoulson> does it return to normal if you restart tbird?
[14:41] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: ping
[14:41] <chrisccoulson> hi m_conley
[14:41] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: hey! how are you?
[14:42] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, yeah, not too bad thanks. and you?
[14:42] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: I'm alright, thanks.  I was wondering if your EDS calendar integration code was somewhere public?  My contacts stuff has slowed down a bit, and I'm looking for other things to chew on.
[14:43] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, oh, the calendar stuff is Fallen's
[14:43] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, http://hg.mozilla.org/users/mozilla_kewis.ch/eds-provider/
[14:43] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: ah, thought you'd taken it.  Cool, thanks!
[14:43] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, not yet. lack of time ;)
[14:44] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: totally understandable
[14:44] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: alright, I'll hack on it.  Thanks again.
[14:44] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[14:44] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, do you think the contacts stuff is ok to start shipping now?
[14:44] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: actually, yeah, if we want to get some sense of stability, that'd be a good idea
[14:45] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, ok, i can do that today then
[14:45] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: awesome, thanks!
[14:45] <chrisccoulson> when i upload the new beta :)
[14:53] <bhearsum> chrisccoulson: sorry, Konversation decided not to notify me of activity...
[14:53]  * bhearsum tries restarting
[14:53] <bhearsum> yup, goes away at restart
[14:53] <bhearsum> stupid compiz
[14:56] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, yeah, i'm beginning to really hate compiz
[14:56] <chrisccoulson> i should figure out how it works so i can fix all the annoying bugs in it ;)
[14:57] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/questions/753329 is a compiz bug ;)
[14:57] <chrisccoulson> it's probably our most reported bug against firefox
[14:58] <chrisccoulson> i don't get much response from our compiz guy when i ping him about these issues though ;)
[14:58] <bhearsum> wow,that sucks
[14:58] <bhearsum> maybe everything is fixed when Wayland is Really Ready?
[14:58] <chrisccoulson> heh
[14:59] <chrisccoulson> or perhaps everything will be even more broken ;)
[14:59] <chrisccoulson> i need to figure out how to fix these compiz bugs though
[15:00] <chrisccoulson> i think all window managers are a bit annoying ;)
[15:01] <chrisccoulson> bug 808777 is another WM problem, and i'm still not sure how to fix that
[15:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 808777 in thunderbird "Determine if / how we should switch workspaces when focusing Thunderbird" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/808777
[15:01] <chrisccoulson> i'm sure m_conley would like it if we could fix that :)
[15:01] <chrisccoulson> but sam hasn't responded to my question there either :(
[15:03] <chrisccoulson> apparently we have another WM expert now, so i'm pinging him too
[16:29] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, do you want to take http://paste.ubuntu.com/662053/ ?
[16:29] <chrisccoulson> i need to be able to override that here - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/thunderbird/thunderbird-trunk.head/view/head:/debian/rules#L399 :)
[16:31] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: oh, for sure
[16:31] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: thanks. :)
[16:31] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[18:03] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: hey - pushed your patch.  Thanks!
[18:03] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, thanks
[18:03] <chrisccoulson> i'm just about to upload it now ;)
[18:03] <chrisccoulson> you're enjoying the new office then?
[18:04] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: indeed!  Make sure to tell me if / when you ever come to Toronto, and I'll give you a tour!
[18:04] <chrisccoulson> heh, thanks :)
[18:04] <chrisccoulson> we should do a UDS there
[18:43] <BUGabundo> boas
[18:57] <JanC> hm, somebody told me that Microsoft's IE-team sends a pie/cake to Mozilla for every major Firefox release...
[18:57] <JanC> ... now we now why they switched to that fast release schedule!   :P
[18:57] <JanC> *know*
[19:00] <chrisccoulson> JanC, that's an old joke now ;)
[19:00] <JanC> well, I didn't hear it until now  :P
[19:01] <JanC> and the joke is better than the results...  :-(
[21:33] <BUGabundo> evening , again! ;D
[22:17] <chrisccoulson> g'ah, the menubar in tbird has stopped working here :/
[22:17] <chrisccoulson> it displays in the window again
[22:59] <chrisccoulson> well, that was a pretty silly error - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~extension-hackers/globalmenu-extension/trunk/revision/216 :/


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[08:44] <RemonShai> pavlushka: দাদা কেমন আছেন ? IRC-তে ঢুকেই আপনার সক্ষাৎ পেয়ে ভাল লাগে।
[09:29] <pavlushka> RemonShai: ভাল, আপনি?
[09:30] <RemonShai> আলহামদুলিল্লাহ্ আমিও ভাল আছি।
[15:43] <pavlushka> zaki: o/
[15:43] <zaki> hey pavlushka
[15:43] <pavlushka> zaki: whassup?
[15:45] <zaki> pavlushka, not much , feeling sick
[15:45] <zaki> how about your phone ?
[15:46] <pavlushka> zaki: oh, restored the imei finally
[15:46] <zaki> pavlushka, what process you followed ?
[15:47] <pavlushka> zaki: recently I ditched DM and configured my DE to launch only using the WM directly using Xorg
[15:48] <zaki> ah
[15:48] <pavlushka> zaki: and that means DMs are not necessary if you are smart enough to configure it to work without it :p
[15:48] <pavlushka> like lightdm, mddm, gdm
[15:49] <pavlushka> or DEs
[15:49] <pavlushka> s/or/for
[15:49] <u-la-la> pavlushka meant to say: for DEs
[15:49] <zaki> pavlushka, I was asking about walton
[15:50] <pavlushka> zaki: pavlushka> zaki: oh, restored the imei finally
[15:50] <zaki> how ?
[16:10] <pavlushka> zaki: with root, I followed https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/8570/how-to-fix-invalid-imei-after-factory-reset
[16:10] <u-la-la> [ How to fix "Invalid IMEI " after Factory reset? - Android Enthusiasts Stack Exchange ] - https://android.stackexchange.com


[03:04] <hashwagon> Anyone know why in the world I can't ssh to an Ubuntu 16.04 server from my Ubuntu 18.04 desktop? Get this, if I ssh into this CentOS server, I can ssh to the Ubuntu 16.04 server. All on the same network. From the 16.04 server I can ssh to my desktop. WTF is happening haha...
[03:07] <sarnold> check your RSA key sizes? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes#Other_base_system_changes_since_16.04_LTS
[03:11] <ChmEarl> hashwagon, on 16.04 you have a stale key in .ssh/known_hosts... open it and remove the key for the CentOS
[03:13] <nacc> ssh -vvv is your friend for debugging, as well
[03:13] <hashwagon> I did with no luck :( I was able to SSH to it successfully once after the install. It seems like SSH works bi-directionally between it and every box on my network, besides my 18.04 destop to the 16.04 machine.
[03:17] <hashwagon> It seems like it may be an issue on the 16.04 server. On my desktop I ran 'sudo -i' and couldn't ssh from the root user either. No prompts for key recognition or anything.
[03:19] <hashwagon> ssh -vvv doesn't seem to have much stick out: [line 5] debug2: ssh_connect_direct: needpriv 0 [line 6] debug1: Connecting to <IP_ADDRESS> [<IP_ADDRESS>] port 22.
[03:21] <hashwagon> So attempt the ssh connection - nothing - wait 60 seconds - Connection timed out. I can ping it.
[03:23] <ChmEarl> hashwagon, while in 18.04, can you ping hostname? if not, alias hostname in /etc/hosts to <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:26] <hashwagon> ChmEarl, when I ping $HOSTNAME it responds
[03:27] <hashwagon> responds as <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:30] <ChmEarl> hashwagon, good enough, don't change it
[03:31] <hashwagon> good suggestion though I wouldn't have thought of that
[04:51] <cpaelzer> moin
[06:01] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:24] <rbasak> nacc: can do (delete those git branches). For now the snap jobs are disabled from automatically uploading to the store.
[08:24] <rbasak> Longer term, I don't know.
[10:57] <jamespage> coreycb: ok I think I have all of the oslo.*'s done
[11:07] <jamespage> coreycb: I did the 3parclient rename as well - pending AA review - I'll see if I can get that into Debian as well
[12:28] <coreycb> jamespage: great, thanks. is that still under the python-hp3parclient source package?
[12:30] <coreycb> jamespage: i think most of the clients are done but will take a scan now to make sure. i have openstacksdk in the works but having trouble with a hanging test atm.
[13:03] <coreycb> jamespage: these are below upper-constraints but only openstacksdk and osc-lib are below lower-constraints so just going to focus on them for b2: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XQ6MqxbNgf/
[13:11] <jamespage> coreycb: ok do you want me todo some?
[13:11] <coreycb> jamespage: i think we're good for b2. actually i think a few of those were bumped just since yesterday.
[13:12] <coreycb> jamespage: thanks for the help :) I can probably focus on the core packages now.
[13:12] <jamespage> coreycb: awesome
[13:28] <jamespage> coreycb: sqlalchemy popped up in my merge list - seems like one to get done IMHO
[13:28] <coreycb> jamespage: ok i can add it to my list if you want
[13:29] <jamespage> coreycb: no I've got it in flight
[14:02] <ahasenack> does something need to happen with this ticket now for the dep8 tests to run? https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3293
[14:02] <ahasenack> or will that happen eventually, it's just in a queue somewhere?
[14:02] <jamespage> ahasenack: no you need a lander signoff from someone with the right perms
[14:03] <ahasenack> ok, not me then
[14:03] <jamespage> no prob needs to be a core-dev or suchlike
[14:03] <ahasenack> is it tied to upload perms?
[14:03] <jamespage> yah
[14:03] <jamespage> ish
[14:03] <jamespage> I think
[14:04] <ahasenack> I can't create new tickets, and that's even before I tell it what package I want the ticket for, so I think it's a blanket core-dev permission
[14:04] <jamespage> coreycb: do you want me todo the neutron-*/networking-* set? happy to help push this one out of the door
[14:05] <coreycb> jamespage: sure!
[14:08] <jamespage> coreycb: ok on it
[14:08] <coreycb> jamespage: thanks
[14:37] <jamespage> coreycb: get b2 in and then workon the switched to py3 right?
[14:37] <jamespage> i.e. move forwards where possible, incremental changes
[14:39] <coreycb> jamespage: sorry, sure that's fine
[15:05] <lopta> Ah crap.  I don't think Ubuntu Server (or perhaps just the Linux kernel) will run on my 32-bit test rig.
[15:07] <rbasak> Ubuntu dropped support for non-PAE i386 a while ago. I think it was Precise or pre-Precise. Could that be it?
[15:07] <rbasak> Apart from that I think it should still work on i386 at the moment.
[15:08] <lopta> I'm probably non-PAE.  Time to recycle this test rig, I think.
[15:18] <lopta> I /could/ put a 64-bit board in it.
[15:18] <lopta> Not sure I can justify the expense though.
[15:22] <l4m8d4> Hello there, I am facing a problem when I try to configure an ubuntu 18.04 server. First I do a normal install with the new installer to a single drive with a big btrfs single partition and an ESP before that. This works. I got a second drive though, which I want to add in to the system. I want there to be 2 LUKS containers, one on each drive, containing a btrfs raid1 mirror each. After I configure all
[15:22] <l4m8d4> that, creating the partitions and LUKS volumes and migrating the filesystems around, adding in fstab entries, adding in the necessary crypttab entries, adding "GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y", updating the initramfs and update-grub, and reinstalling grub into the ESP, the system will not boot anymore. I just land in the grub shell. cryptomount commands are unavailable though, so I can't mount the luks
[15:22] <l4m8d4> volumes.
[15:23] <l4m8d4> I can't figure out why it fails, because grub doesn't give me errors, it just goes to the terminal...
[15:24] <l4m8d4> Also, it's not the first time I've done this on ubuntu, so I know it is possible in principle. Only difference is now it is ubuntu 18.04 and also this time the system was installed in EFI mode
[15:25] <l4m8d4> First thing that's strange is that luks module
[15:25] <l4m8d4> is not found
[15:27] <compdoc> last time I tried drive encryption, it would not boot unless you entered the password each time. something I couldnt have on a server
[15:28] <l4m8d4> Entering the password on a reboot is not a problem for me. But unfortunately, grub doesn't ask for a password, it just drops me into a shell without the possibility to decrypt the luks containers...
[15:47] <l4m8d4> both "btrfs" and "crypto" module seem to be present (listed when using "lsmod") but that alone isn't enough to give me cryptomount
[16:05] <nacc> rbasak: ack re: branches/snap
[16:06] <jamespage> coreycb: ok neutron*/networking-* and ovsdbapp done
[16:06] <jamespage> I suspect they will wedge in -proposed but I can deal with that tomorrow
[16:08] <coreycb> jamespage: great, thanks
[16:13] <jamespage> coreycb: np
[16:13] <jamespage> coreycb: I really need to loop back to ceph mimic now
[16:13] <jamespage> 32 bit was not happy
[16:15] <coreycb> jamespage: ack
[19:39] <l4m8d4> It seems that after setting up full disk encryption with a LUKS partition and an ESP, there are some modules missing, which makes the cryptomounts fail. Is there anything known about issues like that on 18.04?
[19:41] <l4m8d4> I think I did everything correctly, modifying fstab, crypttab and /etc/default/grub accordingly, and the config files in /boot/efi/... and /boot/grub... look good as far as I can see. It drops me right into a shell on reboot, and for example the module cryptodisk is unavailable, making it impossible to unlock the volumes from the grub shell.
[19:42] <l4m8d4> Also, I reinstalled grub-efi-amd64, which caused changes in /boot/efi/... to accomodate the configuration, so I was confident at first that it would work
[19:57] <ahasenack> do we have a standard way to tell grub to reboot into a specific kernel that was just installed?
[19:57] <ahasenack> I've seen grub-reboot, and grub-set-default, but I was wondering if there was some debian or ubuntu wrapper
[20:03] <nacc> ahasenack: not that i know of
[20:15] <genii> Doesn't it just normally boot to the highest numbered one?
[20:20] <ahasenack> apparently not
[20:20] <ahasenack> for example, I'm in an aws instance
[20:20] <ahasenack> where it's running some -aws kernel
[20:20] <ahasenack> $ uname -r
[20:20] <ahasenack> 4.4.0-1061-aws
[20:20] <ahasenack> I installed linux-image-generic
[20:20] <ahasenack> and rebooted, just like that
[20:20] <ahasenack> it's still the aws kernel that it booted into
[20:21] <ahasenack> so it's a case of switching flavors, actually
[20:22] <sdeziel> ahasenack: the grub menu items are ordered by numeral order
[20:22] <sdeziel> and -generic uses -128
[20:23] <ahasenack> where do you see that?
[20:23] <sdeziel> cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg?
[20:23] <ahasenack> that is not a trivial file to parse :)
[20:23] <sdeziel> ahasenack: at least that's the conclusion I reached when installing some such kernels, maybe not your exact issue
[20:24] <sdeziel> please paste it :)
[20:24] <ahasenack> menuentry 'Ubuntu' --class ubuntu --class gnu-linux --class gnu --class os $menuentry_id_option 'gnulinux-simple-84ce5b56-30b1-4479-a864-7296bb549cec' {
[20:24] <ahasenack> for example
[20:24] <ahasenack> that's the first "menuentry" I see in that file
[20:24] <ahasenack> what id is that?
[20:24] <ahasenack> don't tell me 0 :)
[20:24] <sdeziel> I usually look at the bottom and work my way up
[20:24] <ahasenack> the second entry is a submenu
[20:25] <sdeziel> then I look at the first item's vmlinuz name
[20:25] <ahasenack> so if I wanted to boot into something from that, the syntax, from what I have read, would be like "1>n", where "n" is the index of the submenu
[20:25] <sdeziel> ahasenack: I don't want to induce you in error so I'd like to look at the actual grub.cfg file please
[20:25] <ahasenack> -128 is just the kernel rev, it's not related to grub
[20:26] <ahasenack> just happens to be the current linux-image-generic kernel. It was 127 some days ago, etc
[20:27] <sdeziel> the -127/128 is involved in the grub menu ordering is what I'm saying
[20:41] <powersj> nacc: does git-ubuntu use serverstack?
[20:41] <nacc> powersj: yes
[20:41] <powersj> thx
[20:42] <nacc> powersj: the bastion is running there, which is then used to spin up the vm the instance that is actually running the importer
[20:42] <powersj> nacc: any data on there?
[20:43] <nacc> powersj: minimal, just the state of the importer (as in where it got to last). No effect if we hve to pick it back up from a fresh VM
[20:43] <nacc> powersj: are they doing some maint?
[20:43] <powersj> yeah was asked to blow away and recreate our instances
[20:43] <nacc> ok, that'll be for rbasak to do then
[20:43] <nacc> or is it running under the team now, i can't recall
[20:44] <powersj> I'll confirm with rbasak, thanks!


[14:15] <tdaitx> hi, could someone please set LP: #1771363 importance to High and also create a bionic task with High importance for both LP: #1771363 and LP: #1739631?
[17:24] <tedge> Hi, I filed a StableReleaseUpdate bug a few days ago for pikopixel.app (pixel-editing app in the universe repo), but there's been no response so far.
[17:24] <tedge> Can someone please take a look, and let me know if I did it right?
[17:24] <tedge> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pikopixel.app/+bug/1770777
[17:26] <teward> tedge: patience is a virtue, SRUs take time to review
[17:26] <teward> and there's a bunch of them
[17:28] <teward> not to mention someone has to download the updated source code, adjust the package, test the package, etc. typically to make sure it all works.
[17:28] <rbasak> teward: you should ask in #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-motu. This channel is for bug triage only. I don't see prepared packaging for Bionic though?
[17:28] <teward> tedge: ^
[17:28] <teward> i was about to say that as well
[17:28] <rbasak> Uh yeah sorry.
[17:28] <teward> rbasak: No problem :)
[17:29] <rbasak> tedge: you can't just "update Bionic to Cosmic's version". It will need a rebuild, and thus a new version number. Therefore updated packaging. Usually sponsors expect this to already be prepared and tested.
[17:30] <tedge> Thanks, teward. This is the first time I've filed a SRU, so I didn't know what to expect in terms of timeframe.
[17:30] <teward> tedge: rbasak is right though
[17:30] <teward> *is operating on no coffee right now >.<*
[17:35] <tedge> rbasak: Thanks. I'm the upstream developer, not a packager. Would -devel or -motu be the appropriate place to ask for help rebuilding the package, or should I go to ubuntu-packaging?
[17:35] <teward> tedge: i think you need someone who knows packaging to volunteer to work on the patching.
[17:36] <teward> either -devel or -motu would work, but the core question is "Who will prepare the packaging"
[17:36] <teward> if you don't know how then someone needs to step up to help with that step
[17:36] <teward> or the SRU goes nowhere.
[17:36] <rbasak> tedge: given it's for Ubuntu itself, I think people in -devel and/or -motu would be happy to answer questions. But yeah, it needs someone to be prepared to do the packaging side.
[17:43] <tedge> unfortunately, it hasn't been packaged specifically for Ubuntu before (it's only been inherited directly from Debian), so I don't know anyone yet.
[17:43] <teward> *yawns from boredom*
[17:43] <teward> i could use a break, let me see how difficult patching it would be
[17:43] <tedge> I'll ask around in -devel/-motu, thanks for the tip!
[17:44] <tedge> teward: that would be great! let me know if I can answer any questions about the sources.
[18:22] <teward> provided of course I don't get killed by work :P
[18:26] <teward> rbasak: making tedge's code work would need an MRE
[18:26] <teward> since there's no visible upstream VCS repo where the package code can be nitpicked
[18:26] <teward> so any 'patch' is going to basically be a full MRE
[18:28] <tedge> The Debian GNUstep team has a VCS repo for the package, with a mirror of the upstream sources: https://salsa.debian.org/gnustep-team/pikopixel.app
[18:28] <teward> well
[18:28] <teward> kinda
[18:28] <teward> but not really
[18:28] <teward> they're just importing the tarballs
[18:28] <teward> and the taking that source and putting it in the repos
[18:28] <teward> I'm asking if *you* have a nitpicked patch that doesn't require a full version bump to fix *just* this one issue
[18:29] <teward> which judging by your changelogs sounds like "more than one issue" at play
[18:29] <teward> we can continue this discussion in a more valid channel though
[18:32] <tedge> what channel do you want to go to?
[18:50] <augeus> teward, wrt yesterday's thing, I also wrote a trivial patch that enables my system to process emoji domains
[18:51] <teward> augeus: nice, I'd share that on some page so that others can benefit, even if it's in a gist.
[18:51]  * augeus uploaded it to launchpad (attch. on the bugreport)
[18:52] <teward> i've got 50 bugreports on my screen from today and yesterday, mind reminding me which bug report?
[18:52] <augeus> #1771109
[18:53] <augeus> It's a *very* trivial patch, and it's most probably not the way to do things, but, hey, it works for me :)
[20:07] <augeus> teward, So, what do you think? Am I handling this correctly?
[20:21] <rbasak> augeus: has that patch been accepted upstream?
[20:21] <rbasak> augeus: if not, I'm not sure it's appropriate for Ubuntu to diverge from upstream behaviour on this.
[20:22] <augeus> I see
[20:22] <rbasak> Especially for stuff like IDN because that's very security sensitive.
[20:22] <augeus> Thanks for the info -- I will bring this up upstream
[20:22] <rbasak> I'll comment that on the bug.
[20:22] <augeus> I'm not really familiar with the procedures involved
[20:22] <augeus> Sorry if I'm pestering you :)
[20:23] <rbasak> No problem. We're always looking for volunteers to help with getting changes landed, and so we're usually quite happy to explain (and take feedback on) procedures.
[20:24] <rbasak> Please try to use #ubuntu-devel though. This channel isn't really appropriate, and you're more likely to readily get help there.
[20:24]  * augeus does not know much about distro politics
[20:25] <augeus> Never had to submit a bug report/patch to a distribution -- I am fairly cautious when choosing hardware and software, so I usually don't run into issues
[20:25] <augeus> So, even though I can code, I never had to go through this
[20:26] <augeus> Imagine, I've been in this ride for some time, too
[20:27] <augeus> So, yeah. I'll be asking upstream, see what they think about this
[20:28] <rbasak> I'm not sure this is really about politics. More about which way patches flow through the ecosystem.
[20:29] <augeus> Well, it's a form of formal bureaucracy, which exists for a good reason, but it helps if one obtains some help in navigating it :)
[20:48] <teward> rbasak: i replied to your PMs, by the way.  I may need to do some heavy-duty grinding down to find the specific fixes...
[20:48] <teward> ... after dinner and voting.  *gone*


[01:36] <MagicFab> heya
[01:36] <jjesse_> hello
[01:36] <MagicFab> Is there  a way to have nice anchor links from ToC generated links ?
[01:36] <MagicFab> (in the wiki)
[01:36] <jjesse> hrmm don't remember
[01:36] <jjesse> been awhile
[01:37] <MagicFab> I know how to use anchors - but I wish I could tie an anchor to a title / header so automatic ToCs would link there instead of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM#head-cc4057205f46f3da4e36ee1974c50c51bd89ed24 for example
[01:41] <dsas> I don't think so.
[01:42] <dsas> I wonder if the new wiki has that feature...
[01:45] <MagicFab> I am asking in #moin but it's mostly quiet
[20:51] <alefteris> I would like some help with producing a greek version of help.ubuntu.com. Has anyone done it that can help me with it?
[21:20] <alefteris> I'm trying to find who is the person that made help.ubuntu-it.org, but no luck there as well :( no one here that can help or I'm being ignored?
[21:20] <alefteris> mdke, online by any chance?
[21:25] <dsas> alefteris: Are you part of the ubuntu-gr team?
[21:26] <alefteris> dsas, yeap, and maintaining their site
[21:26] <dsas> alefteris: Ah, well there's the obvious answer gone then :)
[21:27] <dsas> What in particular do you need helping with?
[21:28] <alefteris> i would like to build the doc html files using the greek translation
[21:30] <alefteris> I have the bzr branch locally, I can produce the html files in english, but I don;t know the puild options to make use of the greek po files
[21:32] <alefteris> dsas, any ideas?
[21:40] <alefteris> dsas, nevermind, I got an answer from the mailing list. Thanks for giving me some attension :)
[21:48] <dsas> sorry alefteris, I got a phone call
[21:48] <dsas> good luck anyway


[18:44] <tsimonq2> pleia2: We have Alpha 1 released today, I'm helping release so I'll post to the Fridge when Martin sends the email, if you don't mind :)
[20:28] <tsimonq2> pleia2: http://ubuntu-news.org/2016/06/30/yakkety-yak-alpha-1-released/
[20:54] <pleia2> tsimonq2: thanks :) you'll want to fix up the line wrapping and add html bullet points
[20:54] <tsimonq2> alright :)
[20:54] <pleia2> you'll also need each flavor to use an h4 tag
[20:54] <pleia2> let me get an example of a past post so you can see
[20:55] <pleia2> tsimonq2: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2016/03/25/ubuntu-16-04-lts-xenial-xerus-final-beta-released/
[20:55] <pleia2> so if you look at the source of that post, you'll see the changes you need to make
[20:55] <tsimonq2> oh okay
[20:57] <pleia2> the tags also need to be added: 16.10, Alpha, Yakkety, Yakkety Yak
[20:59] <tsimonq2> pleia2: how does it look now?
[21:00] <pleia2> tsimonq2: still a fair amount of line wrapping to fix up, the blockquote, and all the descriptions of the flavors
[21:00] <tsimonq2> alright I'm on it
[21:00] <pleia2> but the bullets, headers and tags look good :)
[21:02] <pleia2> fwiw, whenever I post one of these I look back at past ones to remind myself what we did, since we want to keep them looking pretty consistent and nice
[21:02] <pleia2> and I usually don't edit them in wordpress (hard to see the line breaks that way), instead using something like gedit or vim
[21:02] <tsimonq2> yeah that's how I got the idea of the blockquote :D
[21:02] <tsimonq2> oh I see
[21:03] <tsimonq2> pleia2: now?
[21:04] <pleia2> tsimonq2: looks good!
[21:04] <tsimonq2> \o/
[21:06] <tsimonq2> pleia2: yeah I was helping with the release announcements and such, so I just thought, "hey, I have access to the fridge, I might as well post there too" :)
[21:07] <pleia2> thanks for taking care of it, I've been in and out today
[21:07] <tsimonq2> np :)