[00:42] <davecheney> here is a small review for someone, http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/4883/
[00:52] <thumper> damn it, no closer to starting this email
[00:52]  * thumper out to walk the dog while the sun is shining
[01:41]  * redir eod
[01:42] <mup> Bug #1585005 opened: list-* commands should be aliases for what they're listing <usability> <juju-core:Triaged by macgreagoir> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1585005>
[01:51] <mup> Bug #1585005 changed: list-* commands should be aliases for what they're listing <usability> <juju-core:Triaged by macgreagoir> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1585005>
[02:00] <mup> Bug #1585005 opened: list-* commands should be aliases for what they're listing <usability> <juju-core:Triaged by macgreagoir> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1585005>
[02:42] <mup> Bug #1585015 opened: worker/terminationworker: test timeout during CI <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1585015>
[02:50] <cherylj> thumper, wallyworld - can one of you comment on the proposal in bug 1568944?  (last comment)
[02:50] <mup> Bug #1568944: Failure when deploying on lxd models and model name contains space characters <juju-core:Triaged by reedobrien> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1568944>
[02:50] <wallyworld> ok
[02:51] <wallyworld> cherylj: want me to create that 2.0 kanban?
[02:51] <cherylj> gracias
[02:51] <cherylj> wallyworld: anastasiamac was kind enough to create one for me
[02:51] <cherylj> I'm working on populating it now
[02:51] <wallyworld> cherylj: ok, great, i have stuff also
[02:52] <cherylj> wallyworld: do you know how to add people into the leankit site?  I noticed that christian and mick need accounts
[02:52] <cherylj> wallyworld: https://canonical.leankit.com/boards/view/122133644#workflow-view
[02:52] <wallyworld> cherylj: i think so, i'll see if i have perms
[02:52] <cherylj> thanks!
[02:52] <thumper> if wallyworld doesn't, I do
[02:57] <wallyworld> cherylj: christian is already a user on the site
[02:58] <cherylj> wallyworld: must've missed him :/
[02:58]  * cherylj checks again
[02:58] <wallyworld> adding mick now
[02:59] <wallyworld> cherylj: mick added
[02:59] <cherylj> yarp, there he is
[02:59] <cherylj> thanks, wallyworld!
[03:00] <anastasiamac> cherylj: i have also added christian to our "other" board :-P
[03:00] <cherylj> thanks, anastasiamac  :)
[03:11]  * thumper heads away for a bit to write emails
[04:31] <menn0> windows batch is a nightmare... bad decisions all the way down
[04:34] <natefinch> menn0: why are you messing with batch files?
[04:35] <menn0> natefinch: we have tests which patch out executables with fake shell scripts/batch files (depending on platform). i'm fixing one. just about done but it's been painful.
[04:35] <natefinch> menn0: omg, don't use those
[04:36] <natefinch> menn0: https://godoc.org/github.com/juju/testing#PatchExecHelper
[04:36] <natefinch> menn0: lightyears bettter.
[04:36] <natefinch> menn0: 100% go..
[04:37] <natefinch> menn0: I sent an email about it a while back.  might require a tiny refactor to the production code, but the testing is SO much better
[04:37] <natefinch> menn0: just forwarded the email to you
[04:40] <menn0> natefinch: that looks pretty great but I'm not sure I can use it in this case
[04:40] <menn0> natefinch: I need to know the contents of a temporary file which gets passed to the executable
[04:40] <menn0> and gets deleted
[04:41] <menn0> right now the patched in replacement executable print out the contents of the file they're given
[04:43] <natefinch> menn0: you could do the same thing that helper does and just code it by hand
[04:43] <natefinch> menn0: in other words, write your own special test function that does whatever you're trying to do in batch
[04:43] <menn0> natefinch: hmm ok. i'll take a look
[04:43] <menn0> ironically, I just got the change working
[04:43] <natefinch> heh
[04:45] <natefinch> menn0: I should add another helper that does this rigamarole but takes the name of a custom test function, so you only need to write the test function, and not the exec hacking code.
[05:16] <bradm> I just hit bug 1537585 if anyone knows how to fix it
[05:16] <mup> Bug #1537585: machine agent failed to register IP addresses, borks agent <2.0-count> <blocker> <landscape> <network> <juju-core:Triaged by natefinch> <juju-core 1.25:Triaged by natefinch> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1537585>
[05:16] <bradm> seems fairly intermittant, I've deployed a number of times without seeing it
[06:13] <mup> Bug #1585059 opened: juju status tabular format doesn't show controller member status <canonical-bootstack> <juju-core:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1585059>
[06:16] <mup> Bug #1585059 changed: juju status tabular format doesn't show controller member status <canonical-bootstack> <juju-core:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1585059>
[06:28] <mup> Bug #1585059 opened: juju status tabular format doesn't show controller member status <canonical-bootstack> <juju-core:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1585059>
[06:52] <mup> Bug #1583934 changed: revision specified in the charm, how? <juju-core:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1583934>
[08:04] <babbageclunk> voidspace: around?
[08:05] <babbageclunk> fwereade: ping?
[08:06] <babbageclunk> menn0: hey
[08:06]  * babbageclunk tumbleweeds.
[08:27] <voidspace> babbageclunk: yep, sorry
[08:41] <thumper> voidspace, babbageclunk: morning
[08:42] <thumper> frobware: alive?
[08:43] <thumper> dooferlad: feeling better?
[08:46] <voidspace> thumper: morning
[08:50] <frobware> thumper: yep. thankfully. :-D
[08:50] <babbageclunk> voidspace: no worries, worked it out.
[08:51] <voidspace> babbageclunk: I figure that left to your own devices you'll usually figure stuff out
[08:51] <babbageclunk> morning thumper
[08:51] <voidspace> babbageclunk: so I never worry about replying to you
[08:51] <voidspace> babbageclunk: you're probably better off if I don't...
[08:51] <voidspace> ;-)
[08:51] <babbageclunk> voidspace: generally with a bit more swearing
[08:51] <voidspace> babbageclunk: :-)
[13:11] <mup> Bug #1568079 changed: github.com/juju/juju/apiserver/client unit tests fail if xenial is the LTS <xenial> <juju-core:Fix Released by reedobrien> <juju-core 1.25:Fix Released by reedobrien> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1568079>
[13:20] <mup> Bug #1568079 opened: github.com/juju/juju/apiserver/client unit tests fail if xenial is the LTS <xenial> <juju-core:Fix Released by reedobrien> <juju-core 1.25:Fix Released by reedobrien> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1568079>
[13:23] <mup> Bug #1568079 changed: github.com/juju/juju/apiserver/client unit tests fail if xenial is the LTS <xenial> <juju-core:Fix Released by reedobrien> <juju-core 1.25:Fix Released by reedobrien> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1568079>
[14:33] <frobware> alexisb: ping - audio/HO trouble... brt
[14:34] <alexisb> frobware, np
[14:35] <alexisb> frobware, I am going to take the opportunity to get coffee, brb
[14:37] <alexisb> frobware, heh
[14:38] <alexisb> frobware, did you want to reschedule?
[14:38] <alexisb> while you work out audio?
[14:38] <frobware> frobware: one min
[14:38] <alexisb> k
[15:12] <natefinch> dooferlad: you around?
[15:19] <katco> fwereade: ping
[15:19] <fwereade> katco, pong
[15:19] <katco> fwereade: hey, re. http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/4882/
[15:20] <katco> fwereade: eric is trying to mechanically move this code over to state to enable cmr for tim
[15:20] <katco> fwereade: can we please land as is and address your comments as bugs. i think eric has opened
[15:21] <fwereade> katco, what are the odds that my concerns will actually be addressed this year?
[15:21] <katco> fwereade: lol, i don't know the answer to that. but the priority comes from the top-down
[15:22] <katco> fwereade: we don't have resources to address these comments right now
[15:22] <katco> fwereade: we're just trying to move the code because tim wants it over in state
[15:25] <fwereade> katco, because it needs to be part of a solid migration process... which, there is every likelihood, will be breakable by components that skip referential integrity, because AIUI the migration actually validates the model it sends over
[15:25] <katco> cherylj: alexisb: i need to pull nate off of bug 1537585 so he can ramp up on what ericsnow is working on b/c ericsnow will be out for pycon
[15:25] <mup> Bug #1537585: machine agent failed to register IP addresses, borks agent <2.0-count> <blocker> <landscape> <network> <juju-core:Triaged by natefinch> <juju-core 1.25:Triaged by natefinch> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1537585>
[15:25] <alexisb> katco, ok
[15:27] <fwereade> katco, I very much appreciate the structural work ericsnow has done, but it *actually does* need both referential integrity and detailed race testing
[15:27] <mup> Bug #1585059 changed: juju status tabular format doesn't show controller member status <canonical-bootstack> <juju-core:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1585059>
[15:27] <katco> fwereade: i understand, but we need to address those as bugs, separately. eric needs to land this so he can help hand off to nate so he can go to pycon. this is a PM thing, not a code quality thing
[15:29] <katco> ericsnow: can you demonstrate to fwereade that you have bugs open for the issues he's bringing up?
[15:29] <fwereade> katco, this is not code quality, this is level 0 "does it actually work"
[15:30] <fwereade> katco, I cannot convince myself that it works correctly on the basis of the code, and AFAICS there is no test that actually exercises the functionality I am worried about
[15:31] <katco> fwereade: OK, can we please address those concerns separate from moving the code? it will unblock tim, eric, and nate
[15:34] <fwereade> katco, I have yet to be convinced that they will be addressed
[15:35] <fwereade> katco, IIRC, I expressed these concerns a *very long time ago* when this code was first written, and reminded you on several occasions, and they have remained untouched
[15:37] <fwereade> katco, and if it goes into state like this people will use it as a model and spread the badness
[15:38] <katco> fwereade: ok, that is a valid concern. we'll have to drop this patch for the moment then. ericsnow needs to be working with natefinch before he leaves
[15:38] <fwereade> katco, ack, thank you
[15:38] <katco> fwereade: i'll send an email to tim and cc you explaining the reasoning
[16:54] <mup> Bug #1585289 opened: Juju2: websockets API should alert, error or warn about ignored parameters <landscape> <usability> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1585289>
[17:15] <mup> Bug #1585300 opened: environSuite invalid character \"\\\\\" in host name <ci> <regression> <test-failure> <unit-tests> <windows> <juju-core:Incomplete> <juju-core 1.25:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1585300>
[17:31] <redir> fwereade: yst?
[17:33] <perrito666> hello, sorry all I got a small relapse last night, I am well and alive now, anyone needs a review?
[17:39] <katco> perrito666: welcome back to the land of the living
[17:39] <katco> perrito666: you're working on acl stuff, correct?
[17:40] <perrito666> katco: I am
[17:41] <perrito666> I have been in the world of the living for a few hours but was working without looking at the chat
[17:45] <katco> perrito666: cool.
[17:54] <natefinch> ericsnow: do you want to pair?
[17:54] <ericsnow> natefinch: sure
[17:54] <ericsnow> natefinch: give me a couple minutes
[17:55] <natefinch> ericsnow: np
[18:34] <jcastro> katco: heya
[18:34] <katco> jcastro: o/
[18:34] <jcastro> I noticed the last few releases the controller is now much more robust inbetween reboots, etc.
[18:34] <jcastro> it hasn't failed on me at all
[18:34] <katco> jcastro: i'm sorry, we'll try to introduce more bugs.
[18:34] <jcastro> I just wanted to tempt fate
[18:35] <alexisb> :)
[18:36] <katco> jcastro: seriously, that's good to hear :)
[18:52]  * perrito666 ads a call to ohYouHadToSayIt(jcastro)
[18:52] <natefinch> lol
[19:01] <ericsnow> natefinch: sorry about that
[19:01] <ericsnow> natefinch: ready?
[19:02] <natefinch> ericsnow: ye[
[19:02] <natefinch> yep
[19:10] <perrito666> bbl
[19:28] <redir> is the mergebot alive?
[19:29] <redir> yes it is
[20:51] <thumper> morning
[20:53] <lazyPower> o/ thumper
[20:54] <mup> Bug #1585359 opened: juju debug-log prints some log messages, but quickly stops streaming <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1585359>
[20:54] <mup> Bug #1585361 opened: megawatcher delta is missing data (service & relation) <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1585361>
[21:02] <thumper> hmm..
[21:03] <alexisb> thumper, hmm... ??
[21:03] <thumper> I was 2 minutes late for the standup and no one was there...
[21:03] <thumper> then michael turned up
[22:01] <wallyworld> alexisb: sts call? you should attend this one
[22:01] <alexisb> wallyworld, be there soon
[22:05] <sinzui> thumper: bug 1585388 is the new form of broken ssh to a container. the sxample shows --proxy was used.
[22:05] <mup> Bug #1585388: Container networking cannot ssh after machine is ready <ci> <lxc> <lxd> <network> <regression> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1585388>
[22:07] <mup> Bug #1585388 opened: Container networking cannot ssh after machine is ready <ci> <lxc> <lxd> <network> <regression> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1585388>
[22:16] <mup> Bug #1585388 changed: Container networking cannot ssh after machine is ready <ci> <lxc> <lxd> <network> <regression> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1585388>
[22:19] <perrito666> mmm, we error out mentioning a model by its uuid, that is a ux faux pas
[22:28] <mup> Bug #1585388 opened: Container networking cannot ssh after machine is ready <ci> <lxc> <lxd> <network> <regression> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1585388>
[22:39] <alexisb> ug sorry wallyworld, cherylj I missed that call
[22:40] <wallyworld> alexisb: am sending an email
[22:40] <alexisb> thanks
[23:16] <wallyworld> anastasiamac: perrito666 axw be right there
[23:56] <natefinch> davecheney: online but encumbered by a sleeping toddler, if you want to talk fslock


[09:41] <Doow> Hi, I'm trying to figure out which cloud image version of 18.04 I should be using. I'm using OpenStack.
[09:42] <Doow> For instances that is, not for the virtualization environment, I'm not in control of that :)
[09:58] <om26er> Hi! in Ubuntu 16.04-17.10 /dev/kvm had permissions 660, in 18.04 that changed to 600, that causes Android Emulator to not start
[09:59] <om26er> We tested on multiple machines here in my office and people on SO are also reporting similar stuff https://stackoverflow.com/questions/37300811/android-studio-dev-kvm-device-permission-denied
[11:40] <Neo4> sed is like function accept only regular expression
[11:41] <Neo4> I want to add line in /etc/hosts using sed
[11:42] <Neo4> I see it only uses editing by line
[11:43] <Neo4> do grep and sed use equal regular expression
[11:50] <Neo4> for words we use \bword\b
[11:50] <Neo4> \s any empty symbol
[11:50] <Neo4> \S - any symbol that isn't empty
[11:51] <Neo4> .*? not greed
[11:51] <Neo4> .* greed
[11:51] <tomreyn> this is still not the place to hold self tutoring classes
[11:51] <Neo4> ok
[11:51] <Neo4> I go to #programming
[11:52] <tomreyn> you can also go to #i-am-teaching-myself-ubuntu-talking-to-myself
[11:53] <tomreyn> but that channel name might be too long
[11:53] <Neo4> how to use sed?
[11:54] <Neo4> I am looking on it like on a function, not like an editor
[11:55] <tomreyn> you, like anyone, are welcome to ask questions when you can't solve them by other means. specific questions (this is one is very generic), and details need to be provided. ask in #ubuntu unless the very question you are asking is specifically server related (this one is not).
[11:56] <tomreyn> and maybe read this http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[12:02] <Neo4> tomreyn: I got ban in #ubuntu, I can go there but don't want :)
[12:02] <Neo4> there are very newbies
[12:03] <Neo4> and many questions relate to how to install app, how to customize something, or how  to install ubuntu, I more interesting VPS
[14:29] <teward> rbasak: i have an answer from upstream nginx about --with-compat.  It allows you to build dynamic modules on the same binary version of NGINX but with different flags to the ./configure argument, the compiled dynamic modules can still be used on other NGINX servers of the same versions even if the configure flags were different.
[14:30] <teward> so it 'relaxes' the requirement of the exact same set of `./configure` arguments in order to make the modules work, which allows you to just build the dynamic modules *without* first replicating the entirety of the configure string built up by our debian/rules for it
[14:31]  * thresh ducks
[14:32] <teward> JanC: i think it was you who asked about module ABI.  If the patch is 'simple' and doesn't alter the externally visible structures in a backwards incompatible way it shouldn't break the ABI, but with regards to the version in Ubuntu the only thing I can see really going on except from packaging changes is security patches, which may or may not introduce a breakage.
[14:32] <teward> also i see you hiding there behind the plastic potted plant, thresh.
[15:09] <ahasenack> can I use globbing with debhelper's -X?
[15:09] <ahasenack> I've only seen substrings so far in my sample of debian/rules files
[15:09] <ahasenack> I'm specifically looking at dh_missing
[15:09] <ahasenack> I want to exclude static libraries from a specific path
[15:10] <ahasenack> so just -X.a won't be explicit enough
[15:10] <ahasenack> and there is no -ppackage option, so I can't filter via that
[20:09] <Kutakizukari> The article here: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-configure-secure-updates-and-installations-in-wordpress-on-ubuntu The status of the article is marked as deprecated.
[20:09] <Kutakizukari> I'm using SSH Keys and in my Wordpress install when trying to update plugins, it's asking for: https://cl.ly/3G2m363d203A "Connection Information.
[20:09] <Kutakizukari> Is there another way to solve this problem?
[21:23] <sarnold> Kutakizukari: I think I heard that wordpress really *is* that terrible and you do need to run an ftp server for it.
[21:25] <sdeziel> which adds to the terrible situation if you ask me
[21:26] <sdeziel> self auto updates also require the web server to have a writeable documentroot...
[21:26] <sarnold> yeah
[21:27] <sarnold> all kinds of poor choices there


[04:23] <Miar> I have GNOME, Unity and KDE on Kubuntu. GNOME and Unity work fine. But when I launch KDE, it hangs after around 2 mins. Also unable to logout from kde or launch the terminal. Could anybody offer a solution please?
[09:14] <Guest21288> hello everyone! who is developin for stm32 on ubuntu? thanks
[11:09] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:15] <rharish> BluesKaj: Hi :)
[11:15] <rharish> btw, just wanted to know if someone here has/is using groupwise ??
[11:24] <BluesKaj> hi rharish
[11:24] <BluesKaj> what's groupwise?
[12:11] <rharish> BluesKaj: sorry, was away for tea. by now you probably would've come across this : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GroupWise
[12:18] <BluesKaj> rharish,  check your package manager for groupwise you'll see several supported apps there
[12:19] <rharish> BluesKaj: I'm working on porting kopete (which happens to support the groupwise protocol), I wanted to know if someone knew how to configure it properly
[12:21] <BluesKaj> rharish, that's probly a question for #ubuntu chat. The chances that someone there has configured it are much greater there.
[12:21] <rharish> BluesKaj: thanks, I'll ask around :)
[12:22] <BluesKaj> just by sheer population of the room
[13:56] <MichaelP> if goal for kubuntu 15.10 is plasma 5.4 why build it with same version as 15.04 ?
[13:58] <BluesKaj> MichaelP,  ask the devs in #kubuntu-devel or #kde-devel
[14:00] <MichaelP> ok
[14:20] <hallc> hello
[14:20] <hallc> is anyone there
[15:06] <halp> hello
[15:06] <halp> anyone not afk?
[15:07] <halp> I'm stuck in the kubuntu installation
[15:07] <halp> kubuntu 15.04, after I chose my timezone the continue button is blocked
[15:07] <halp> been like this for around 20 minutes
[15:08] <halp> anyone?
[15:16] <halp> anyone not dead?
[15:20] <BluesKaj> halp,  click on the back button to see what field you forgot to fill in.
[15:22] <halp> The back button is blocked aswell
[15:22] <BluesKaj> also if you're on a laptop you need an ethernet connection and the power supply plugged in.
[15:22] <halp> Power supply is plugged in, I've connected to wifi successfully just like how I installed on my netbook
[15:22] <BluesKaj> unless the wifi works , but the power must be plugged in
[15:23] <halp> Screen has been stuck for around 30 minutes :s
[15:23] <BluesKaj> what is your laptop?
[15:24] <halp> Toshiba, it's not actually mine so I don't really know whats the exact name
[15:24] <halp> it has an i3 and something in the amd radeon series
[15:24] <halp> 4gb of ram, too.
[15:24] <BluesKaj> did you prepartition the drive ?
[15:25] <halp> Wait, I thought it automatically does that in the disk setup during installation
[15:25] <halp> dah crap, is it fine if I quit the installer now and retry later or will that corrupt everything?
[15:26] <BluesKaj> if you want it to use the whole drive without a / and /home partition
[15:26] <halp> doesn't really matter to me if it uses a whole drive
[15:27] <BluesKaj> it will create a  / (root) partition for everything if you use auto partitioning
[15:27] <halp> that's fine.
[15:27] <BluesKaj> ok , if it's bees stucj for 30 mins then there's something amiss for sure
[15:27] <halp> yep.
[15:28] <BluesKaj> err been stuck
[15:28] <halp> is it fine to restart the installer or anything? I have no idea what to do now
[15:29] <BluesKaj> halp,  I don't think it's gone far enough to lose any data yet
[15:29] <halp> So I should shutdown and try again?
[15:30] <BluesKaj> was there still an OS on the machine when you started the install
[15:30] <halp> Yeah, windows 8
[15:30] <Ryoma721> hgi
[15:30] <halp> if all goes wrong I can just switch to that
[15:30] <halp> hi
[15:30] <Ryoma721> hi
[15:30] <BluesKaj> halp,  ok think you'd beter read up on uefi
[15:30] <BluesKaj> !uefi
[15:31] <halp> I already managed to dual boot windows and kubuntu on my netbook
[15:31] <halp> literally just yesterday
[15:32] <halp> I did exactly everything on this laptop too
[15:32] <halp> I think it should work if I just restart the installer
[15:32] <BluesKaj> halp,  how old is the netbook ?
[15:34] <halp> pretty old
[15:34] <halp> ASUS X102B
[15:34] <BluesKaj> the netbook might have a regular BIOS system, whereas newer computers since 2010 have the UEFI replacing the old BIOS system so installation on a dual boot system is more complex
[15:35] <halp> oh come on
[15:35] <BluesKaj> halp,  read the  above post url about uefi
[15:37] <BluesKaj> halp,  so th eowner doesn't want a dual boot  with windows?
[15:37] <nfk> hello, is there anyone who would like to tell me why kubuntu uses colord-kde and not kolor-manager and i'm not blaming you, i just want to hear a proper distro's opinion on this
[15:38] <halp> he says to keep windows with linux just incase he wants to change
[15:38] <Ryoma721> hi....
[15:39] <halp> BluesKaj http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1347445119.png This is the picture I got when booting up the installer
[15:39] <halp> does that mean the laptop is UEFI or BIOS?
[15:39] <halp> or uh... I dunno
[15:41] <BluesKaj> nfk,  the color theme options are in system settings>application appearance>color>, or on 15.04 system settings>color
[15:41] <nfk> BluesKaj, that option is kolor-manger specific as far as i can tell
[15:41] <nfk> and i don't remember kubuntu ever actually shipping it by default
[15:41] <nfk> i'm just wondering why it's that way
[15:44] <nfk> BluesKaj, sorry, i misread you, i'm talking about color management not color schemes
[15:44] <nfk> this has been getting to my brain already
[15:45] <BluesKaj> halp,  more than likely if the laptop has windows 8 it's new enought to have a UEFI instead of the BIOS, abnd befor you try to reinstall kubuntu , open windows and follow this: http://www.thewindowsclub.com/check-if-uefi-or-bios
[15:46] <halp> got it.
[15:49] <nfk> can a laptop even get windows 8 certified/ready sticker without secure boot?
[15:49] <nfk> i'd be gobsmacked if it could
[15:49] <halp> heh I doubt this is a legit windows 8 anyways
[15:50] <lordievader> nfk: I thought it needed secure boot availble, not sure if it needed to be on.
[15:50] <nfk> they don't make hardware for legit/illegit windows, if it's a pc from that era and not an apple it's gonna be designed for windows 8
[15:51] <nfk> lordievader, it's not required to be mandatory on but allowing it to be off would kinda defeat the purpose unless ms was after extra creeping attack
[15:51] <nfk> *off by default
[15:54] <BluesKaj> halp,  well it still may have a gpt partition and uefi boot partition that could be a problem for kubuntu installation
[15:54] <halp> guess I'm about to find out
[15:54] <BluesKaj> yup :-)
[15:54] <halp> taking quite a long time to boot up... one of the reasons to switch to kubuntu :P
[15:57] <halp> Detected boot environment: BIOS
[15:57] <halp> hum.
[15:58] <halp> BluesKaj it's a bios
[15:58] <halp> what now
[15:58] <lordievader> halp: Did you boot the live-usb through uefi?
[15:58] <BluesKaj> halp,  maybe use gparted to create an ext4 partition for kubuntu before reinstallinbg
[15:58] <halp> I don't know
[15:59] <halp> Alright so I should create a partition now
[15:59] <BluesKaj> lordievader,  it's a bios system , no uefi
[15:59] <lordievader> Then I miss background info, never mind me.
[15:59] <BluesKaj> halp,  yes in an open space
[16:00] <BluesKaj> leave some room for W8 of course
[16:01] <halp> 123 GB Healthy (primary partition)
[16:01] <halp> if I'm not mistaken that's kubuntu's created partition
[16:02] <halp> should I delete volume?
[16:02] <halp> yeahhh I will
[16:02] <BluesKaj> what type of partition is it , ext4 or ntfs?
[16:03] <halp> well I just deleted it
[16:03] <halp> I can choose between NTFS and ext4 now
[16:03] <halp> I mean exFAT
[16:04] <halp> BluesKaj
[16:04] <BluesKaj> how many partitions do you see on the drive
[16:04] <halp> 5, including the one i'm about to format
[16:04] <BluesKaj> ext4 is for linux, ntfs is windows
[16:05] <halp> Yeah I totally just deleted the linux partition BluesKah
[16:05] <halp> BluesKaj *
[16:06] <BluesKaj> ok just set it as an ext4 4 now
[16:06] <halp> I can set it to NTFS or exFat, not ext4
[16:06] <halp> ugh, gotta eat, be back in 10 minutes
[16:06] <halp> maybe less
[16:07] <BluesKaj> click on new, then choose ext4
[16:21] <halp> BluesKaj back
[16:23] <BluesKaj> hihlight the partition, then right click on it, choose  new, then choose ext4
[16:23] <halp> right click > new simple partition
[16:24] <halp> I an only choose NTFS or exFAT
[16:24] <BluesKaj> which partitioner are you using , are you in windows?
[16:24] <halp> windows 8's disk management tool
[16:25] <BluesKaj> no , you need to burn a gparted live cd or usb and use that , windows partitoner won't offer linux ext4 partitions
[16:26] <halp> as in use a different application?
[16:26] <BluesKaj> yes
[16:27] <BluesKaj> linux won't install on either of those file systems that you have available
[16:28] <halp> then again doesn't it automatically partition before the installation
[16:28] <halp> in the disk management tab of the installation
[16:29] <halp> downloading a program for partitioning...
[16:30] <BluesKaj> well it seems the kubuntu partitioner has a problem with the existing partition so partitoning ahead of will insure that problem won't come up again
[16:30] <halp> righty then
[16:31] <BluesKaj> downloading gparted?
[16:31] <BluesKaj> iso
[16:31] <halp> Yeah.
[16:32] <halp> over 200mb. Wonderful.
[16:32] <halp> Great.
[16:32] <halp> this'll take 15 mins or something
[16:32] <BluesKaj> ok ,no hurry here
[16:33] <halp> Blueskaj btw thanks for helping out so far
[16:33] <halp> really useful ^^
[16:35] <BluesKaj> no problem, like seeing users discover linux .. it was a revelation for me , being an old windows guy for so many years
[16:35] <halp> I just moved to kubuntu on my netbook yesterday. Very impressed so far
[16:36] <halp> clean UI is probably my most important thing in OS and browsers
[16:37] <halp> simply that is why I chose kubuntu :3
[16:37] <halp> interface + preformance > windows
[16:37] <BluesKaj> right , it's a good choice
[16:41] <halp> 50% done
[16:41] <BluesKaj> i may convert my wife to linux someday , but that will take a major change like porting windows games to linux
[16:42] <halp> wine is pretty stable-ish
[16:42] <halp> was using it a veeery long time ago when I was using mac
[16:42] <halp> in fact I managed to get binding of isaac rebirth running well on kubuntu
[16:47] <BluesKaj> wine is no substitute IME
[16:49] <nfk> IME?
[16:51] <halp> BluesKaj the download is done
[16:52] <BluesKaj> ok does the laptop have a cd rom drive?
[16:52] <halp> I just opened the iso no problems
[16:52] <halp> what to do with the files?
[16:54] <halp> BluesKaj ?
[16:54] <BluesKaj> you'll need to burn the iso to a cd if the laptop has a cdrom drive that can read it
[16:55] <halp> does it have to be a CD?
[16:55] <BluesKaj> cds are a bit easier
[16:56] <halp> I don't thnk I have any unused CDs
[16:56] <halp> so uh... flashdisk?
[16:59] <BluesKaj> usb stick , copy the iso using dd , the stick should be fat32
[16:59] <BluesKaj> !dd
[16:59] <BluesKaj> !info dd
[17:00] <halp> welp
[17:00] <halp> the disk driver 32 or something like that?
[17:00] <halp> that I used to copy kubuntu to the flash
[17:00] <halp> what nfk said, what's that?
[17:01] <BluesKaj> are you on kubuntu on the netbook ?
[17:02] <halp> yuppers, I do have a desktop computer with win7 on it though
[17:02] <nfk> BluesKaj, it's probably part of coreutils or something
[17:02] <BluesKaj> did you download the  gparted iso on your netbook , i was assuming you did
[17:03] <halp> oh ._.
[17:03] <halp> I installed it on the other laptop
[17:03] <nfk> halp, dd is a tool that copies blocks of bytes around, basically that iso and some others are nowadays engineered such that when they are bit-perfectly copied to a flash device they are bootable
[17:04] <BluesKaj> halp,  http://askubuntu.com/questions/372607/how-to-create-a-bootable-ubuntu-usb-flash-drive-from-terminal
[17:07] <halp> *infinitely confused*
[17:07] <halp> so you want me to copy the Gparted to a usb using dd?
[17:09] <BluesKaj> halp,  or can you copy it in windows, I'm not sure what to use there, never done  that
[17:09] <halp> yeah I think I can do it on windows easier
[17:10] <halp> after copying, what do?
[17:10] <BluesKaj> copy to the usb is what I mean
[17:11] <halp> got it, got it.
[17:12] <halp> I only have one flash disk...
[17:12] <halp> Which is the one that's currently holding kubuntu (derp)
[17:13] <BluesKaj> any cds?
[17:14] <halp> I got a backup of kubuntu on my pc
[17:15] <halp> soooo I'll reformat the flash disk
[17:15] <halp> put Gparted and do whatever I'll do with it
[17:15] <halp> then reformat, put kubuntu
[17:15] <BluesKaj> maybe you could just try installing again on the laptop
[17:15] <halp> trying to install kubuntu?
[17:15] <BluesKaj> this partitioning with gparted isn't working
[17:15] <halp> yeahhhh this is getting more and more confusing
[17:16] <BluesKaj> u=yeah , try installing kubuntu again first
[17:16] <halp> right i'll just try to install again
[17:17] <halp> if this works i don't know if I should be happy or pissed off
[17:18] <halp> pretty much both
[17:19] <BluesKaj> it's always good to have some cdrws or dvdrws and an extra usb stick hanging about
[17:20] <halp> O_O
[17:20] <halp> yeahhh I forgot to format the disk I deleted
[17:20] <halp> jumping back to windows...
[17:23] <BluesKaj> you can't format the partiiton to a linux ext filesystem in windows , there's no point in trying
[17:23] <BluesKaj> halp, ^
[17:23] <halp> Yeah but since It's not formatted kubuntu got confused
[17:24] <halp> If i format it to windows kubuntu will just re-format to linux
[17:24] <BluesKaj> let the kubuntu installer format it
[17:24] <halp> Yeahhhh it said before: (lots of partioned stuff and stuff)
[17:24] <halp> then after(500gb, kubuntu)
[17:24] <halp> suddenly I was like...No...
[17:24] <halp> I think it's an error or something
[17:28] <BluesKaj> just try it
[17:28] <halp> surprisingly
[17:28] <halp> formatting the partion fixed it
[17:28] <halp> <--- ultimate 1337 h3x0r problem solver
[17:28] <halp> so far so good
[17:29] <halp> it didn't get stuck in the time zone screen
[17:30] <halp> yuussss!!!
[17:30] <BluesKaj> what did you format to , if it was ntfs then the kubuntu installer will reformat to linux ext4 if you choose to do so
[17:31] <halp> the problem wasn't that I wanted to format to ext4
[17:31] <lordievader> halp: You are not using a Microsoft Dynamic Disk, are you?
[17:31] <halp> kubuntu's installer glitched out when it found an unformatted partition
[17:31] <halp> lordievader uh... no
[17:31] <lordievader> Good, that stuff is nasty.
[17:32] <BluesKaj> i meant that a recognizable filesystem can then autoformatted to linux ext and then install kubuntu there
[17:32] <halp> well kubuntu is installing normally now
[17:33] <BluesKaj> you haven't reached the partitioning phase yet
[17:34] <halp> brace yourselves
[17:34] <halp> while it's installing, anyone else realize the Kwallet thing is kind of broken?
[17:34] <halp> every time I connect to a wifi it pops up for no reason
[17:37] <halp> please remove installation media and press enter
[17:37] <halp> installation media as in the flash drive?
[17:38] <halp> I dunno why I keep asking obvious stuff
[17:38] <halp> getting kind of paranoid
[17:39] <BluesKaj> let's hope the windows install is still there
[17:40] <halp> don't worry, it is.
[17:40] <halp> kubuntu login screen
[17:40] <halp> WOOOOOOOOOOOO
[17:40] <halp> BluesKaj grats, it works
[17:40] <halp> now time to install all the important programs that I said not to during installation
[17:42] <BluesKaj> update and upgrade first
[17:42] <halp> upgrade to what?
[17:43] <halp> it's pretty much already on 15.04
[17:43] <halp> anyways, updating is really slow... will do later
[17:43] <BluesKaj> upgrades  the existing packages
[17:44] <halp> important thing is, it works!
[17:44] <BluesKaj> which partitioning method did you choose ?
[17:45] <BluesKaj> during the install
[17:45] <halp> welp everything I did in the past 3 hours was useless
[17:48] <BluesKaj> ??
[17:51] <Smilerut> hello
[17:51] <Smilerut> I want to upgrade from Plasma 4 to 5
[17:51] <Smilerut> how do I do this
[17:53] <BluesKaj> Smilerut,  which kubuntu ?
[17:53] <Smilerut> no Kubuntu
[17:53] <Smilerut> Ubuntu.
[17:53] <Smilerut> but I thought I'd ask here
[17:53] <Smilerut> since you guys oughtta know more about KDE
[17:54] <LjL-Alps> still, what version
[17:54] <Smilerut> 14 something
[17:55] <Smilerut> 14.04
[17:55] <Smilerut> although it shows up as "Kubuntu 14.04" that's probably because I installed Kubuntu-desktop to get KDE
[17:56] <BluesKaj> Smilerut,  in the terminal . sudo lsb_release -a
[17:56] <BluesKaj> but it's is 14.04
[17:56] <Smilerut> Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS
[17:58] <Smilerut> so how do I upgrade to Plasma 5?
[17:58] <Smilerut> people are saying it's better than 4
[17:58] <LjL-Alps> i find it better
[18:01] <nfk> WHY IS APT WASTING MY TIME BY REGENERATING GRUB CONFIG LIKE 5 TIMES IN A SINGLE apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:01]  * nfk goes drink some water
[18:04] <BluesKaj> Smilerut,  I don't find it better, but it's obviously a matter of taste and usage, anyway there are some forums saying that upgrading to plasma 5 in ubuntu 14.104 is no longer possible , however you can have a look at this  http://sourcedigit.com/14871-install-kde-plasma-5-2-ubuntu-14-04-ubuntu-14-10/
[18:04] <nfk> i thought it was never supported anyway
[18:04] <nfk> ah, 14.10
[18:04] <lordievader> Smilerut: You can't upgrade to Plasma5 in Trusty, you need Utopic (no longer supported) or Vivid for that.
[18:05] <Smilerut> ah
[18:05] <Smilerut> alright
[18:05] <Smilerut> I think I should change distros or something
[18:05] <Smilerut> and get something a little more
[18:05] <Smilerut> ...
[18:05] <Smilerut> hardcore
[18:06] <nfk> then just hop on and install kubuntu
[18:06] <nfk> it's compatible with ubuntu but actually a different distro, afaik
[18:07] <nfk> btw, i haven't been reading moronix lately, how does it look with 15.10 and beyond?
[18:08] <lordievader> nfk: Ubuntu and Kubuntu is still the same just a different DE.
[18:08] <nfk> i have heard it's actually directly based on debian not ubuntu
[18:10] <lordievader> nfk: Then you have heard wrong.
[18:10] <nfk> okay
[18:10] <BluesKaj> nfk,  no lordievader is correct , kubuntu is a 'flavour" of ubuntu
[18:11] <nfk> more importantly, how does the future look?
[18:11] <lordievader> No one really knows.
[18:12] <BluesKaj> ubuntu was developed from debian , whether it can be called a fork is some thing I'm not sure of.
[18:12] <lordievader> Ubuntu is based on Debian, and still is.
[18:13] <BluesKaj> that's why i'm on debian jessie now as my main OS , still have Wily installed for testing though
[18:14] <nfk> i'm kinda surprised you can do that, i'd have those bubuntu nazis to suck my middle finger in practice of shuttleworth's suckoff
[18:14] <nfk> *have told
[18:14] <nfk> s/of/for/
[18:14] <nfk> BluesKaj, but it's absolutely outdated
[18:15] <nfk> and nsa rooted for sure
[18:15] <lordievader> nfk: Jessie ain't. For the moment.
[18:15] <nfk> you probably are worse off than with mac os x
[18:15] <nfk> what kernel does it have?
[18:15] <nfk> what kde version does it have?
[18:15] <nfk> what firefox... i'm sorry, iceweasel version does it have?
[18:15] <nfk> i could go on
[18:16] <BluesKaj> outdated how , because itdoesn't have a desktop that leaves a lot to be desired ...outdated in linux can mean it's stable and it works, but it isn't new....so what
[18:17] <nfk> my experience with testing and unstable is that neither are stable and very dangerous to use
[18:17] <BluesKaj> I use chrome on debian
[18:17] <BluesKaj> iceweasel is silly , but that's about all
[18:17] <nfk> meanwhile other distros *cough* gentoo *cough* can be even bleeding edge while not being as unstable as debian unstable
[18:18] <nfk> debian has chrome? not chromium?
[18:18] <lordievader> Gentoo is not bleeding edge, far from it.
[18:18] <nfk> lordievader, i beg your pardon? i'm compiled oyranos and synnefo from git today and that's via portage
[18:19] <lordievader> nfk: Stable usually isn't very new. But we are getting offtopic.
[18:20] <nfk> sure, the gcc is not bleeding edge and firefox can sometimes take days to get updated which is extremely bad but at least my system has not needed a reinstall in 7 years while debian unstable can handle about that long in months before needing a reinstal lor a full guru CPR
[18:20] <nfk> lordievader, last time i checked unstable was not very new
[18:21] <nfk> now, someone tell me, does debian have the full google chrome?
[18:21] <nfk> because if it does, i'm gonna call bs on iceweasel
[18:21] <BluesKaj> I switched to debian a couple of weeks ago to my desktop and my laptop and I've found it very usable and stable
[18:21] <nfk> and outdated
[18:21] <nfk> just tell me what kernel it has, what kde version it has
[18:22] <lordievader> nfk: You can add the Google Chrome repo. You can also install Firefox on Debian.
[18:22] <nfk> and go ahead, tell me it has the full chrome
[18:22] <nfk> lordievader, i know you can get it from mozilla, i'm asking about out of the box
[18:22] <BluesKaj> outdated ,, bah humbug ..frankly i don't give a damn it's supported and iot works
[18:22] <nfk> if you need to do magical incantations to get something i do not consider it part of the distro
[18:23] <nfk> which is why i did not brag about running git version of colord-kde while kubuntu has none  because that oen is requires three commands to get it
[18:23] <BluesKaj> googlr chrome upgdates  and upgrades in debian if you install it from the chrome site
[18:23] <nfk> emerge layman; layman -a kde; emerge colord-kde
[18:24] <nfk> BluesKaj, it won't work nearly as well if your hardware is very new or if there's a known bug that's been fixed in a newer version
[18:25] <nfk> BluesKaj, so it's not even a .deb?
[18:25] <nfk> *facepalm*
[18:25] <BluesKaj>  n nfk odf course it's deb
[18:26] <nfk> oh, actually 4 - you need to add keyword for colord-kde because it's using a live git repo
[18:27] <nfk> btw, how do you use plasma 5 on debian even?
[18:27] <BluesKaj> i don't have any git repos
[18:28] <BluesKaj> I don't use plasma 5 , that's the whole point of using debian rather than kubuntu, i can use kde4 and plasma 4
[18:28] <nfk> any particular reason?
[18:28] <nfk> and it's funny that the whole point why i hate debian is because kde there is beyond obsolete
[18:29] <nfk> i could live with something like 3.16 (just don't tell me even that's too new for debian) but i'm certainly not gonna be happy with a kde release from 4 or 5 years ago
[18:30] <BluesKaj> plasma 5 dropped some of my favourite features like no separate wallpaper for VDs , and no entry history in the run command (krunner) and the flat "look" it has isn't to my liking just to name a few
[18:33] <nfk> it's still not sustainable to keep on using kde sc 4 besides krunner was never meant for non-developers, you can fix the wallpaper issue yourself, i'm sure, and you can actually get the oxygen looks back at least on gentoo though i'm personally happy to not seeing oxygen any more, it's not bad but it's certainly not my very favourite style
[18:33] <nfk> in fact, breeze is just a re-itteration of air and oxygen
[18:34] <nfk> and personally i feel thatif it wasn't for plasma 5 some of those changes would have been done to air itself
[18:34] <nfk> like less transparency which i personally like just just as long as it's a bit thicker than air
[18:35] <BluesKaj> nope the VDs are no longer suporting separte wall papers , apparently the it's too complex get it to work in plsama 5 for some reason , that's what the devs told me
[18:35] <nfk> with air i often found i could had to make widgets larger or bring myself closer to display to see content over transparent background
[18:36] <nfk> BluesKaj, so the api itself does not permit it? weird though i kinda get their point, it's easy to have multiple wallpapers with a static setup but when stuff comes and goes it turns into a mess
[18:47] <BluesKaj> nfk,  old kernel , new kernel, it doesn't matter because it works relly well on this 7 yr old pc/media server
[18:50] <Kali_Yuga> Adobe Flash really irritates me the last couple of weeks.
[18:50] <nfk> but it will matter for most people who use it as a real os and not just a glorified file server
[18:50] <nfk> also if it's for actual decoding and presentation then your experience will almost certinly be worse than mine
[18:51] <nfk> i have color management and other goodies
[18:51] <nfk> and opengl 3 presentation with optional hardware decoding and frame interpolation and advanced scalers and so on
[18:52] <nfk> Kali_Yuga, just weeks?
[18:54] <Kali_Yuga> I know what your talking about I'm not a friend of it either. they should kill flash after my opinion too.. but I just need it for a lot of things... I always have to click allow now. Cuz they have serious security problems Now... I mean they always had but now it's really bad and Firefox is Blocking it by default now!
[18:54] <nfk> like?
[18:54] <nfk> my gentoo has had no flash installed for some 2 or 3 years now
[18:55] <Kali_Yuga> ok how am I supposed to visit sertain websites?
[18:55] <BluesKaj> openGL 3.1 works well here on my entry level nvidia 8400gs connected to our Panasonic plasma tv.. i've had this setup since 2008 ...no colour problems whatsoever
[18:55] <nfk> are you in japan? i don't think any other place on earth actually still makes websites in flash
[18:56] <nfk> BluesKaj, i really think you should google color management
[18:56] <Kali_Yuga> No I am actually American
[18:56] <nfk> i suspect you have not the slightest idea what it is
[18:56] <nfk> Kali_Yuga, like what website needs flash to visit it?
[18:58] <Kali_Yuga> I use websites that require flash and without it there is 50% off the Internet gone
[18:58] <nfk> i hope you won't bring up youtube
[18:58] <BluesKaj> not gonna muck up a good picture setup
[18:58] <Kali_Yuga> No I am using Html5 on youtube already
[18:59] <nfk> BluesKaj, you still have not the slither of idea what color management is
[18:59] <nfk> Kali_Yuga, well, go on using flash then
[19:00] <Kali_Yuga> i mean even porn sites require flash what should I do :O
[19:00] <BluesKaj> nfk,  that depends on your definition of it , perhaps you could explain what that is.
[19:01] <nfk> Kali_Yuga, the last porn site i visited in many years was that that greek one that went free due to crisis and it was completely boring
[19:01] <nfk> BluesKaj, open google, enter color management, you will learn something
[19:02] <BluesKaj> bah google , nm
[19:02] <nfk> there's hardly multiple definitions, certainly multiple ways its done
[19:02] <nfk> substitute for whatever you use
[19:02] <nfk> though i find google to be the most accurate
[19:02] <Kali_Yuga> Flash is working but I have to click allow Now all the time. somebody said or I was reading that they would fix that so flash would be allowed by default on Firefox
[19:02] <nfk> sometimes i intentionally use that because their search bubble helps me find stuff that otherwise would get drowned in vagueness
[19:03] <nfk> Kali_Yuga, it's the opposite, firefox will be going "allow for now" by default
[19:03] <nfk> for flash specifically
[19:03] <nfk> besides it's a good thing, the less you're epxosed, the better
[19:03] <Kali_Yuga> how do you live without flash?
[19:04] <nfk> just fine
[19:04] <Kali_Yuga> but how... I mean If I get the content without flash everything would be fine for me too :(
[19:05] <nfk> i used to use cclive for youtube but nowadays mpv does just fine with youtube-dl (which i hear supports a lot of porn sites but obviously there's million times more porn sites than a lot out there)
[19:05] <Kali_Yuga> I'm not pointing specifically at porn sites though
[19:05] <nfk> Kali_Yuga, i just ignore dumb websites like bbc.com or search for older videos on youtube or just try bbc.co.uk which unlike bbc.com is supported by youtube-dl
[19:06] <Kali_Yuga> like flashx.tv
[19:06] <Kali_Yuga> does not work without it
[19:07] <nfk> btw, iirc, newgrounds even has html5 for flash videos, iirc
[19:07] <Kali_Yuga> what does that mean
[19:08] <nfk> you don't know newgrounds despite saying that flash is important?
[19:08] <canid1> Hey ... I have a virtualbox guest connected via NAT... how come I don't see the vlan in my ifconfig ?
[19:08] <nfk> for me the only thing i miss rarely is newgrounds
[19:08] <nfk> canid1, DO NOT USE IFCONFIG
[19:08] <canid1> ?
[19:08]  * nfk grabs canid1 NO IFOCINFIG
[19:08] <canid1> ??
[19:08] <nfk> *IFCONFIG
[19:09] <nfk> ip addr
[19:09] <canid1> *IFCONFIG
[19:09] <nfk> try that
[19:09] <nfk> canid1, ifconfig was deprecated almost 10 years ago
[19:09] <canid1> okay... I did 'ip addr' - same question
[19:09] <Kali_Yuga> well I don't know. I was a former Windows user and I just need that crap
[19:09] <canid1> why don't I see the vlan?
[19:09] <nfk> then it's a valid quesiton, i guess
[19:10] <Kali_Yuga> I would love to replace Flash with something opensource though but there is nothing like it
[19:10] <canid1> I can ping my host from the guest, but not the other way around - I'm trying to figure it out
[19:11] <nfk> leaving aside my surprise virtualbox still exists, is your setup such that there should be one? like is it created by some script vbox runs?
[19:11] <lordievader> canid1: Because NAT ain't vlan?
[19:11] <nfk> canid1, overall i think you should ask that to vbox not kubuntu
[19:12] <nfk> Kali_Yuga, not entirely correct, at its core it's vectorgraphics and javascript so pretty much html5
[19:12] <BluesKaj> nfk,  the colour management you mentioned isn't anything new to me, I've used those tools with the nvidia gui xserver in the past, but I've always left those adjustments alone since the colour setup we have is just fine
[19:12] <nfk> though of course it's not exactly the same thing and no open standards so it's basically riddled with undefined behaviour and bugs abused as features
[19:13] <canid1> thankie lordievader and nfk
[19:13] <nfk> BluesKaj, FUCKING GOOGLE IT
[19:13] <nfk> it's not what you think it is
[19:14] <Kali_Yuga> No I know html5 which is not Opensource after my knowledge, I might be wrong... Is a replacement but the most websites still don't support it.. I just know Youtube
[19:14] <nfk> BluesKaj, i hope you're ready, i'm about to post two links
[19:15] <lordievader> nfk: Please watch your language.
[19:15] <nfk> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKnqECcg6Gw // BluesKaj
[19:15] <nfk> lordievader, he's too stubborn
[19:15] <BluesKaj> how do you know what i think , I'm an old tech guy who used video in the past and an audio guy to boot so don't lecture me since you don't know my past experience
[19:15] <lordievader> nfk: No need to break the rules.
[19:15] <nfk> BluesKaj, you have gotten color management wrong 3 times, you are either trolling which is an ugly thing to do in this channel or you do have no idea what it is
[19:17] <nfk> https://www.oyranos.org/2013/03/firefox-19-0-colour-management/ and now a test link 1
[19:18] <nfk> actually, scratch that, the best test link https://www.oyranos.org/wiki/index.php?title=Test_Images
[19:19] <BluesKaj> I read the wiki , I used receive audio and video mags in tha past and I know what colour management is, but I'm not going to start spewing technicla jargon just because you think you you know something is wrong with my video setup, so stop bothering me about it ./.enough already
[19:33] <nfk> BluesKaj, so in short, you were trolling
[19:33] <nfk> lordievader, is trolling realy kosher in this channel?
[19:34] <lordievader> nfk: Take it from me, BluesKaj was not trolling.
[19:34] <nfk> he clearly said he was
[19:35] <lordievader> Lets just get back to user support, shall we?
[19:36] <BluesKaj> nfk, i'm not a troll, i've in thei support chat for over 9 yrs so stop it or we'll find out who the real troll is
[19:37] <lordievader> BluesKaj, nfk: Can both of your drop this whole thing? It ain't constuctive and has nothing to do with user support.
[19:38] <BluesKaj> i did not say I was trolling nfk , you'd better check your facts and the text before you make accusations
[19:38] <lordievader> BluesKaj, drop it.
[19:39] <BluesKaj> lordievader,   this guy has to learn to leave users alone when they request it
[19:40] <BluesKaj> ok , back to support as you requested lordievader
[19:41] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Thank you.
[19:41] <BluesKaj> lordievader,  NP
[19:47] <nfk> BluesKaj, you can't claim to known A/V and then get color management wrong 3 times with a straight face
[19:47] <BluesKaj> guess I'd better check Wily to see if there's anything new there ...bbiab
[19:47] <nfk> or rather, do that 3 times and then claim to know A/V
[19:49] <lordievader> nfk: Please drop it.
[19:49] <nfk> since he quit, that's the state of things
[19:49] <nfk> but if he brings it up, i'm not letting go
[19:49] <nfk> +it
[19:50]  * lordievader sighs deeply
[20:07]  * ahoneybun hugs BluesKaj and lordievader
[20:07] <ahoneybun> love from akademy and the whole world
[20:08] <BluesKaj> hey ahoneybun, how's things ?
[20:08] <lordievader> ahoneybun: You are at the Akademy?
[20:09] <ahoneybun> BluesKaj: great, awesome times with ovidiu-florin, his brother and Vali
[20:09] <ahoneybun> lordievader: yepp
[20:09] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Nice, nice. Having fun?
[20:09] <BluesKaj> cool
[20:09] <ahoneybun> lordievader: yep
[20:09] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Good :D
[20:09] <ahoneybun> I've blogged it in case you want to know more usefoss.com BluesKaj lordievader
[20:11] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Is it on planetkde (or however that collection of blogs was called)?
[20:11] <lordievader> Because then I'll see it in due time ;)
[20:12] <ahoneybun> lordievader: now I have my blog in planetkde.org thanks to Riddell
[20:12] <lordievader> :D
[20:12] <lordievader> Then I'll see it in due time.
[20:13] <ahoneybun> XD
[20:17] <BluesKaj> ahoneybun, interesting, my daughter is doing the El Camino Santiago pilgrimage trekk as we speak, she'll be walking nearby , but that won't be near A Coruna for a few weeks I imagine.
[20:17] <ahoneybun> oh
[20:17] <ahoneybun> darn
[20:18] <BluesKaj> she's even used linux on a laptop i gave her a few yrs back
[20:19] <ahoneybun> cool
[20:20] <Taggnostr> hello
[20:21] <Taggnostr> I'm trying to use the dark breeze theme, however the bottom bar is still white, and I can't see the icons (the K and anything else in the tray on the right)
[20:22] <Taggnostr> https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?67452-Breeze-Dark-Desktop-Theme-Better-but-the-Panel  I found this, but even after checking blur and background contrast I still don't see the icon, and the bar is still white
[20:24] <BluesKaj> well, time to call it a day ... take care all
[22:53] <popcar> hai
[22:54] <soee> hiho popcar
[22:54] <popcar> Anyone else having the Kwallet issue?
[22:54] <popcar> randomly pops up when connecting to network, getting annoying right now
[22:55] <soee> randomly or always on reboot ?
[22:55] <popcar> usually when I connect to a network or attempt to
[22:55] <popcar> yeah, it always happens after I type the password of the network
[22:56] <soee> well this si how kwallet behaves atm in Plasma 5.3
[22:57] <popcar> hm
[22:57] <popcar> any possible way to fix it?
[22:58] <soee> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2015-05/msg00520.html
[23:00] <popcar> hm alright
[23:03] <soee> popcar: 5.4 will be a great release so lets hope it will be fixed there :)
[23:03] <popcar> 5.4? when will that release?
[23:05] <soee> popcar: next moth 25th
[23:05] <soee> *month
[23:05] <popcar> nice. hoping that it's more stable
[23:05] <soee> but first build wil be for Wily
[23:05] <popcar> so far kubuntu has been great but it isn't really... consistent
[23:05] <soee> than probablt vivid backport
[23:06] <soee> popcar: you are on Vivid ?
[23:06] <popcar> Vivid?
[23:06] <soee> Kubuntu 15.04
[23:06] <popcar> Yeah.
[23:06] <soee> well a lot of bugfixes is already in Plasma 5.3.2 that Scarlett works on backports
[23:07] <soee> maybe this week it will show up in backports
[23:07] <popcar> hopefully.
[23:07] <popcar> I'm sure the devs are super busy making the next version of kubuntu but...
[23:08] <popcar> stability comes first
[23:23] <sgclark> I need testerss for frameworks first. Any welcome appreciated..
[23:23] <sgclark> err help welcome
[23:33] <popcar> sgclark I can test stuff but i never did beta testing nor do I understand coding that much X3


[12:10] <bddebian> welshbyte: ping?
[12:10] <welshbyte> pong
[12:10] <welshbyte> hey bddebian
[12:10] <bddebian> Hi
[12:10] <bddebian> Hey, are you sure adonthell needed merging, and not just syncing?
[12:11] <welshbyte> um, it was on http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html
[12:11] <welshbyte> but maybe there's a newer upstream upstream version?
[12:11] <bddebian> Was my python move the only change?
[12:12] <welshbyte> bddebian: the python move was sorted out in debian, i believe
[12:12] <welshbyte> but yes, from the last version your python move was the only change, it seems
[12:12] <bddebian> That's my question.  Can it be synced straight from Debian than, without needing a merge?
[12:13] <welshbyte> ah i see what you mean
[12:13] <welshbyte> now you mention it, it probably could be :)
[12:14] <welshbyte> there were some changes in config scripts but i couldn't really tell how important they were
[12:14] <ryanakca> Can someone please look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3004 when they get a chance? Only thing left is figure out if the image is GPL or not (from what I see).
[12:20] <kristog>  fix-released != closed ?
[12:21] <somerville32> No.
[12:22] <somerville32> Depends on the package
[12:23] <geser> For which packages isn't fix-released == closed?
[12:24] <kristog> this bug is closed https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/libgalago/+bug/26714
[12:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 26714 in libgalago "beagle dies with libgalago error" [Medium,Needs info]
[12:24] <kristog> edgy ships a newer version and dapper is no more afflicted
[12:26] <geser> then you can set it to fix-released and add a comment
[12:29] <somerville32> Geser: I know of one example
[12:31] <geser> do you remember it?
[12:32] <somerville32> Yup
[12:32] <somerville32> I'd show you too but you probably don't have access to it.
[12:32] <somerville32> (or maybe you do *shrugs*)
[12:33] <somerville32> But, anyhow
[12:33] <somerville32> But the package was Pike
[12:33] <somerville32> There was a security vulnerability in the current version
[12:33] <somerville32> But they had already fixed it upstream and made a release
[12:36] <geser> ok, security bugs may be special
[12:36] <geser> but for normal bugs setting status to fix-releases closes a bug on LP
[12:37] <somerville32> Well, I'd think that any bug fixed upstream and released but not synced would be that special case.
[12:37] <crimsun> the semantics are identical
[12:37] <crimsun> fix released -> closed
[12:37] <crimsun> a bug should not be marked f.r. unless it in fact is available in the archive
[12:38] <somerville32> f.r.?
[12:38] <crimsun> "fix released"
[12:38] <somerville32> Ah, yeah - I got that.
[12:38] <somerville32> I guess I'll change it to f.c. then
[12:38] <crimsun> where it -> fixed package(s)
[12:43] <geser> crimsun: do you know if the universe sponsors team is still working?
[12:44] <ryanakca> since -bug is sleeping... could bug 15178 be closed? The user has reported a fix to the bug.
[12:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 15178 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15 "fglrx hangs/crashes" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/15178
[12:45] <crimsun> geser: yes, it is (as is the one for main). We're just incredibly busy atm.
[12:45] <geser> ok
[12:45] <crimsun> I probably have a few thousand unread Ubuntu e-mails that I'll attempt to process tonight
[12:45] <ryanakca> lol
[12:45] <ryanakca> fun
[12:47] <geser> I'm just wondering because my first debdiffs got uploaded very quickly (on the next day) and the recent ones are waiting
[12:47] <crimsun> geser: right, it's called "I was less busy then and am extremely busy now"
[01:25] <wolki_> hi motus! i'm the upstream german translator for comix, and there is an embarrasing bug in the translation for 3.1 (edgy). it doesn't use rosetta (yet?), so i can't fix it myself. what should i do? file a bug with a patch?
[01:31] <Burgwork> wolki_, you can login to rosetta and make teh suggestion yourself
[01:33] <wolki_> Burgwork: the problem is that comix translations are not in rosetta
[01:34] <Burgwork> right
[01:34] <Burgwork> is this a bug in the german translation?
[01:37] <wolki_> yes
[01:37] <wolki_> i confused left and right ^^;;
[01:41] <Burgwork> did you make the mistake yourself, or did an Ubuntu translator make it?
[01:45] <wolki_> nah, I made it... english is clockwise/counterclockwise, i made it turn left/right to fit into the translations for eog and to make it shorter, and used the wrong ones... thinko. and didn't use the feature and only realized it recently.
[01:46] <Burgwork> then yes, file a bug
[01:46] <wolki_> ok, thanks
[01:46] <Burgwork> better would be to get another upstream release
[01:47] <tseng> Burgwork: gnome is in string freeze
[01:47] <Burgwork> tseng, comix isn't gnome
[01:48] <tseng> oh i read eog
[01:48] <tseng> my mistake
[01:49] <Burgwork> no worries
[01:52] <wolki_> Burgwork: I'e already fixed it for upstream's new versionbut that one's not in edgy (at least not yet)
[01:53] <Burgwork> wolki_, if upstream has a new version, reuest that somebody package the new version, rather than carrying a patch
[01:56] <wolki_> iirc there is already a request, but it's an old one for dapper (where the new package didn't happen). should i file a new one for edgy?
[01:56] <Adri2000> hello :)
[01:56] <Burgwork> wolki_, just change the description and reup the bug
[01:57] <Burgwork> wolki_, another way todo it would be to ask the debian maintainer to upload the new version and ask for a sync
[01:57] <wolki_> reup?
[01:57] <Burgwork> mention the new version
[01:58] <Burgwork> anyway, I have to run
[02:04] <Adri2000> i need some help with dpatch : i want to create a few patches (with multiple patched files in each patch) for a new package (initial release). i tried dpatch-edit-patch test in the source directory, i get that : "make: *** No rule to make target `unpatch'.  Stop."
[02:12] <crimsun> Adri2000: did you modify debian/rules as appropriate?
[02:12] <Adri2000> no, don't se anything about that on the wiki
[02:14] <Adri2000> i'm reading http://netz.smurf.noris.de/logs/freenode/2006/07/25/%23ubuntu-motu-school.log i think i'll find the answer there :)
[02:26] <Adri2000> hm, i didn't find anything :(
[02:26] <Adri2000> crimsun: how should i edit debian/rules ?
[02:27] <crimsun> Adri2000: see dpatch(1)
[02:29] <Adri2000> ok
[02:31] <ryanakca> Can someone please look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3004 when they get a chance? Only thing left is figure out if the image is GPL or not (from what I see).
[02:32] <bluefoxicy> it appears to be pervert day .... was another Edgy milestone released?
[02:33] <bddebian> pervert day?
[02:35] <bluefoxicy> bddebian:  there's a lot of off-color jokes about the naming convention for Edgy's milestones going about in some of the channels I'm in; so whenever a new one gets released there's a large influx of perverted comedy.
[02:35] <bddebian> What milestones?
[02:35] <tseng> you're in weirdo channels
[02:36] <bluefoxicy> (okay so about 50 people commented for Knot 1 and only one or two for Knot 2)
[02:36] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  I know
[02:36] <tseng> i don't even see how you could make 'knot' sexual
[02:36] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  I am sure you don't want to know.
[02:36] <tseng> not that I need an example
[02:37] <bluefoxicy> heh, a couple months ago someone in #-offtopic mentioned the possible revival of ubuntu-calendar
[02:37] <bluefoxicy> was that a joke or did someone actually consider it?
[02:38] <Adri2000> crimsun: ok ! i made a patch :) just a question : is there a rule about how naming patches ?
[02:39] <micahcowan> what's the deal with ubuntu-calendar, anyway? Did it only go for a handful of months? I'm surprised it was ever around, considering how controversial it might be for some.
[02:39] <crimsun> Adri2000: name it sensibly.
[02:39] <bluefoxicy> micahcowan:  yeah, the controversy was over whether there was too much nudity or not enough :P
[02:39] <Adri2000> but with 01_foo, 02_bar, .. ?
[02:39] <micahcowan> lol
[02:40] <crimsun> Adri2000: lexical ordering, yes, but make the names sensible
[02:40] <micahcowan> iirc, there weren't even any boobs in the shots... just a butt, right?
[02:40] <Adri2000> yep, ok, thank you
[02:41] <crimsun> ah, the controversy from the old days.
[02:41] <bddebian> heh
[02:41] <bddebian> As opposed to "why the hell is mono default" of today? ;-P
[02:42] <crimsun> back then we didn't even have -motu ;)
[02:42] <micahcowan> if they were gonna decide it was okay to have in universe, they should've at least carried it through a full year. As there is, there ain't enough shots to make a calendar.
[02:42] <tseng> crimsun: eh
[02:42] <micahcowan> crimsun, where did discussion take place, then, -devel?
[02:42] <tseng> micahcowan: yes
[02:42] <tseng> but i talked dholbach into coming here pretty early on
[02:42] <tseng> < 10 members
[02:42] <tseng> or something
[02:43] <bddebian> And what do we have now? 12? :-)
[02:43] <tseng> uh, lots
[02:43] <micahcowan> are all of the shots of ubuntu members?  I seem to remember exactly two different models.
[02:44] <micahcowan> bluefoxicy, but again, just the butt, right? :-)
[02:44] <tseng> there were 3 models
[02:44] <bluefoxicy> micahcowan: I wouldn't have minded being photographed nude but I am not hot enough to be a model.
[02:44] <micahcowan> lol.
[02:44] <tseng> in the original artwork
[02:45] <micahcowan> i c
[02:51] <bluefoxicy> wow
[02:51] <bluefoxicy> whoever wrote this is one hell of an architect
[02:52] <bluefoxicy> the memory tracer I'm toying with replaces sbrk(), calloc(), malloc(), free(), realloc(), vmalloc(), and memalign() to track all growth of the heap and all allocations and frees
[02:52] <bluefoxicy> everything is output to a profile file which is then read by a simulator
[02:53] <bluefoxicy> the simulator uses tuning variables to simulate the behavior of glibc (for example, the MMAP threshold-- when an allocation is bigger than that, it gets its own mmap() segment) and profile the memory usage of the allocator versus the memory requested by the program and show how much memory is wasted (among other stats)
[02:54] <bluefoxicy> you can do all kinds of neat stuff like graph memory use, allocation rate, or wasted memory over the entire course of the program; I'm looking at the average memory waste myself
[02:54] <bluefoxicy> problem is it doesn't seem to be thread safe
[02:54] <bluefoxicy> I'll have to rewrite it to be thread safe; it's going to slow the fuck out of everything I profile but at least I should be able to make it stop corrupting the output.
[02:57] <bluefoxicy> Wolfram Gloger, and it appears to be MIT licensed.
[03:05] <bddebian> welshbyte: Is pybackpack on REVU yours?
[03:06] <welshbyte> bddebian: oh yeah... don't worry about it, i want it taken off REVU (but forgot to request it.. oops)
[03:07] <bddebian> welshbyte: Oh, OK, I'll archive it, thx
[03:07] <welshbyte> bddebian: cheers :)
[03:08] <welshbyte> i'm too proud to put it into universe in its current state of bugginess ;)
[03:32] <Adri2000> crimsun: still here ?
[03:33] <Adri2000> i get "make: dpatch: Command not found" from pbuilder. dpatch must be in the build-depends ?
[03:33] <crimsun> yes.
[03:34] <Adri2000> ok
[03:38] <Adri2000> applying patch 01_qtdir to ./ ... ok.
[03:38] <Adri2000> applying patch 02_bitmapbutton to ./ ... ok.
[03:38] <Adri2000> applying patch 03_bitmapslider to ./ ... failed.
[03:38] <Adri2000> :-|
[03:42] <Adri2000> crimsun: is there a verbose mode for that ? i really don't understand why it fails and 02_bitmapbutton works :/
[03:42] <crimsun> probably because when you created 03_bitmapslider.dpatch you didn't account for the fact that it would be applied _after_ 02_bitmapbutton.dpatch
[03:42] <crimsun> s/dpatch//
[03:43] <bluefoxicy> oh hell yes!  I fixed mtrace!  I think.
[03:43] <Adri2000> ah yes, some files are patched twice : by patch 02 and patch 03
[03:43] <bluefoxicy> nope
[03:45] <Adri2000> crimsun: so i could make only one patch, but it's not really a good solution...
[03:45] <crimsun> or you could create the dpatches incrementally
[03:48] <Adri2000> ok, i'm reading the man, it's explained
[03:51] <bluefoxicy> oh wow, libpthread.so.0 is an elf binary
[03:51] <bluefoxicy> the last time I looked at it it was 2 lines of text
[03:52] <bluefoxicy> oh, it's like 5 lines of text.
[04:15] <Hobbsee> how odd.
[04:15] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee
[04:15] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian
[04:18] <TheMuso> hey Hobbsee. Sounds like fun.
[04:18] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: heya..  indeed.
[04:19] <Hobbsee> actually, that's the day after it died, so i certainly wasnt driving it.  only way that could have happened was if it was on the back of a tow truck.
[04:20] <TheMuso> haha
[04:27] <Adri2000> crimsun: another problem :)
[04:27] <Adri2000> patches are applied correctly
[04:28] <Adri2000> but then :
[04:28] <Adri2000> dpatch call-all -a=pkg-info >patch-stamp
[04:28] <Adri2000> 01_qtdir.dpatch: script expects -patch|-unpatch as argument
[04:28] <Adri2000> make: *** [patch-stamp]  Error 1
[04:28] <bddebian> Why are you using call-all instead of apply-all?
[04:28] <tritium> hey bddebian
[04:29] <bddebian> Hi tritium
[04:29] <tritium> bddebian: still no sync?
[04:29] <bddebian> Nope :-(
[04:29] <tritium> okay, no worries
[04:30] <Adri2000> bddebian: there is dpatch apply-all before : apply-all, appliying... ok, call-all and error
[04:30] <Adri2000> -i
[04:31] <bddebian> You are doing call-all in rules or apply-all performs a call-all?
[04:31] <Adri2000> i put in debian/rules exactly what is specified in the man :
[04:31] <Adri2000> patch-stamp:
[04:31] <Adri2000>   dpatch apply-all
[04:31] <Adri2000>   dpatch call-all -a=pkg-info >patch-stamp
[04:32] <bddebian> Hmm, I don't think I've ever seen call-all used
[04:32] <Adri2000> can i remove the call-all line ?
[04:34] <bddebian> I think so
[04:35] <Adri2000> ok, i try that
[04:35] <TheMuso> I use the include file. SOmething like /usr/share/dpatch/dpatch.make
[04:35] <TheMuso> include /usr/share/dpatch/dpatch.make
[04:36] <TheMuso> I put that in debian/rules
[04:37] <Adri2000> just include and nothing else to change ?
[04:37] <TheMuso> You still have to put the relevant bits in to make sure the patch steps are performed. All that include line does is include the snippets like what you posted above. I am pretty sure the man page talks about the include file.
[04:42] <Adri2000> ok, anyway my patches now work :) tanks
[04:42] <Adri2000> thanks
[04:42] <Adri2000> thanks
[04:42] <Adri2000> oops...
[04:43] <Adri2000> no 'tanks', just one 'thanks' TheMuso ;)
[04:43] <bddebian> :-)
[04:49] <welshbyte> brings a new meaning to getting tanked :)
[04:53] <bddebian> heh
[04:54] <welshbyte> bddebian: will you be attending the CC meeting on tuesday?
[04:55] <bddebian> welshbyte: If you are gonna be there, I will try :-)
[04:55] <welshbyte> oh i'll be there :)
[04:55] <welshbyte> guess i should buy myself some other fans
[05:01] <bddebian> buy?  I don't remember getting any money :-)
[05:03] <welshbyte> sorry did i say "buy"? i meant brown nose :)
[05:04] <theCore> is still there a need for a MOTU logo?
[05:08] <bddebian> welshbyte: :-)
[05:12] <theCore> here an attempt of logo: http://peadrop.com/files/motu-logo-attempt.png
[05:13] <bddebian> What, no he-man? :-)
[05:15] <welshbyte> if i had to draw a MOTU logo i'd do three small ubuntu symbols swirling in the distance like galaxies
[05:15] <welshbyte> but i have no skill
[05:15] <theCore> it basically a "sun", for universe, and a sergeant wings for master
[05:17] <theCore> I also thought about doing some sort of spiral that could vaguely resemble the Ubuntu logo
[05:24] <theCore> another attempt, http://peadrop.com/files/motu2.png
[05:26] <theCore> It isn't easy to design a logo that represent MOTUs well
[05:27] <crimsun> isn't the current LP logo a hammer?
[05:28] <theCore> crimsun: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Logo should be updated then
[05:29] <crimsun> ah, no, mistaken for core-dev
[05:43] <theCore> that one doesn't look bad, http://peadrop.com/files/motu3.png
[05:44] <theCore> it likes a mix between Ubuntu logo and a galaxy shape
[05:51] <theCore> maybe I'm just losing my time, and MOTUs aren't "brandable"
[05:52] <theCore> anyway
[05:52] <theCore> 'night all
[08:35] <Arbiter> 'morning
[09:47] <Arbiter> hey Gloubiboulga
[09:47] <Arbiter> :)
[09:50] <Gloubiboulga> hello Arbiter
[10:38] <phanatic> morning
[11:24] <Arbiter> hey Hobbsee
[11:24] <Hobbsee> hey Arbiter
[12:08] <Sp4rKy> \o
[12:47] <heno> I'd like to plead for some help with reviewing and uploading some universe packages!
[12:47] <heno> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2993
[12:48] <heno> and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2994
[12:48] <heno> The plan is to move them through universe and into main before feature freeze :)
[12:49] <heno> It's a a11y SoC project. Chris, the student, has packaged it but is not a MOTU yet
[12:49] <ajmitch> good luck, they look like they need some work :)
[12:49] <heno> ajmitch: really, in what sense?
[12:50] <ajmitch> not using python policy, etc
[12:50] <ajmitch> I'll try & write up some stuff on revu
[12:51] <heno> ajmitch: ok, thanks
[12:52] <tortoise_> ajmitch where is this python policy?
[12:52] <ajmitch> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy
[12:52] <tortoise_> this one http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/
[12:53] <ajmitch> yes
[12:53] <ajmitch> plus you should use ${shlibs:Depends}, target edgy, use an orig.tar.gz (non-native versioning), and remove unnecessary cruft from debian/rules
[12:54] <ajmitch> I doubt you'd want to make a new upstream release for every minor packaging change
[02:49] <tortoise_>  ajmitch: Did you write some stuff on REVU.  Do I have to log in to see it, I can't for some reason.
[02:51] <Hawkwind> Yes you have to be logged in
[02:55] <tortoise_> When I click recover password it asks me to paste the text below into gpg
[02:55] <tortoise_> there is however, no text
[03:11] <xerxas> Hi, I would like to backport edgy's mldonkey, I want to use pbuilder
[03:12] <xerxas> pbuilder create doesn't work as non root
[03:12] <xerxas> is it normal ?
[03:12] <kristog> yes.
[03:12] <kristog> sudo pbuilder create sid --mirror ....
[03:12] <kristog> sudo pbuilder build $pkg.dsc
[03:12] <xerxas> ok
[03:12] <Hobbsee> ... why sid?
[03:12] <xerxas> thanks
[03:13] <Goshawk> how can i obtain my REVU password?
[03:13] <Goshawk> lostpw-py is broken
[03:13] <kristog> Hobbsee: *habi*
[03:13] <kristog> Hobbsee: *habit*
[03:13] <Goshawk> s/-/.
[03:13] <xerxas> I have read the packing guide, how can I contribute now M
[03:13] <xerxas> ?
[03:14] <Hobbsee> kristog: well, not a good habit if you've building for edgy.
[03:14] <xerxas> I have a gpg key, not signed thought
[03:15] <kristog> Hobbsee: uhm afaik edgy == unstle, it isn't?
[03:15] <Hobbsee> kristog: no.
[03:16] <Hobbsee> xerxas: you dont need a signed key, you're nto uploading it yourself
[03:16] <Hobbsee> kristog: we take a snapshot of debian unstable, and merge it
[03:16] <xerxas> Hobbsee:  so how can I contribute M
[03:16] <xerxas> ?
[03:16] <xerxas> is there a todo list ?
[03:17] <xerxas> should I try to fix bugs ?
[03:17] <xerxas> do some bug triage ?
[03:17] <Hobbsee> gah.  where's dholbach when you need him
[03:17] <Hobbsee> that's useful too
[03:17] <kristog> Hobbsee: yes, ok, what i mean is that edgy is the last ubuntu version avaible
[03:17] <Hobbsee> see the /topic
[03:17] <Hobbsee> kristog: true.  unstable usually refers to debian unstable
[03:18] <xerxas> Hobbsee:  where you advise me to start in the topic ?
[03:18] <xerxas> UNMETDEPS?
[03:19] <Hobbsee> xerxas: first link, on how to participate
[03:22] <xerxas> Hobbsee:  you mean http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU ?
[03:22] <Hobbsee> xerxas: yep
[03:22] <xerxas>  ok
[03:22] <xerxas> thanks
[03:27] <Lathiat> anyone remember th ename of the program that prints word documents out in text
[03:27] <Hobbsee> Lathiat: only that there are two versions of it.  tseng knows, iirc.
[03:27] <Hobbsee> Lathiat: he asked me about it
[03:27] <Lathiat> i used to use it way back
[03:27] <Lathiat> cant rmemmember the name and apt-cache is failing me
[03:28] <StevenK> catdoc is one
[03:28] <Lathiat> ah, antiword
[03:28] <geser> and there is also wv
[03:28] <StevenK> My boss makes great use of catdoc.
[03:29] <tseng> Hobbsee: thats wv
[03:30] <tseng> Hobbsee: but that isnt what he asked for
[03:30] <Lathiat> ah turns out i have some whack permissiosn on my package lists
[03:30] <Lathiat> which is why apt-cache was turning a blank
[03:30] <Hobbsee> tseng: ahhhhh.....
[03:41] <tortoise_> is there a way to fetch my revu password?  I think the password recover program is nackered
[06:00] <trappist> if a very minor bug is known to exist upstream, is it best to submit the fix upstream and wait for it to come back down the pike?  if so, what to do with the launchpad bug?
[06:01] <trappist> bddebian
[06:02] <bddebian> Hi trappist
[06:02] <bddebian> Heya gang
[06:02] <AnAnt> bddebian: hide
[06:03] <bddebian> Uh oh :-)
[06:04] <bddebian> AnAnt: Have more work for me? :-)
[06:05] <AnAnt> bddebian: nope, not more than yesterday's stuff
[06:05] <AnAnt> bddebian: nothing new I mean
[06:05] <welshbyte> trappist: yeah if it doesn't affect things in ubuntu then it's probably best to wait for upstream to fix it and get on with some more important stuff ;)
[06:05] <welshbyte> bddebian: howdy
[06:05] <AnAnt> bddebian: you remember them ?
[06:05] <bddebian> Heya welshbyte
[06:05] <trappist> welshbyte: all the ones I'm talking about are very similar to bug 58589
[06:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58589 in kdebase "Grammatical error in kcmkonq string" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58589
[06:05] <bddebian> AnAnt: I don't remember which one I said I would advocate.  I was looking last night
[06:06] <trappist> welshbyte: (and submitted by the same guy)
[06:06] <AnAnt> bddebian: archmage
[06:06] <AnAnt> bddebian: but I also uploaded kchmviewer & acon yesterday as I fixed the issues you &<EMAIL_ADDRESS>mentioned
[06:06] <AnAnt> demon doesn't seem to have come online since 2 days
[06:07] <AnAnt> his nick starts with an s
[06:07] <AnAnt> but not one of the s* here now
[06:07] <tseng> i see several s's
[06:07] <trappist> welshbyte: also, this submitter and I agree that importance is relative - they're string fixes, and he and I are both on something of a campaign to improve polish by fixing these things
[06:08] <AnAnt> bddebian: but if you want more stuff to review tell me
[06:08] <bddebian> Oh there is plenty on REVU and I'm trying to dig through MOTUREviewer bugs too
[06:08] <AnAnt> k
[06:08] <welshbyte> trappist: one of my old bugs (bug #3960 ) was similar and bddebian fixed that one
[06:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 3960 in gtodo "Typos in Misc Preferences tab" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3960
[06:09] <AnAnt> sorry if I am bugging you
[06:18] <bddebian> Oh man, was I mean to AnAnt?
[06:19] <welshbyte> nah
[06:49] <Goshawk> is there a pbuilder guru here?
[06:55] <geser> I'm not a guru but perhaps I can help you nonetheless (or someone else)
[07:07] <Goshawk> thanks... my problem is taht i wanna to preserve the buildplace because i'm making a package and i should veryfy where teh compiled files are
[07:07] <Goshawk> geser: i tried the --preserver-buildplace
[07:07] <Goshawk> but didn't work
[07:07] <Goshawk> also --debug does not do this
[07:11] <geser> have to tried pbuilder login an then to build the package from within?
[07:13] <Goshawk> geser: no
[07:13] <Goshawk> how to do it?
[07:13] <Goshawk> pbuilder login to login
[07:14] <Goshawk> but how to put the folder to build in it?
[07:14] <Goshawk> (the source tree)
[07:15] <geser> you could copy into the dir where pbuilder is currently running your session
[07:15] <Goshawk> but when i do pbuilder login i'm chrooted in it
[07:16] <Goshawk> i'm logging in
[07:16] <geser> yes but you can still copy from outside
[07:16] <Goshawk> in another shell you mean
[07:16] <geser> yes
[07:19] <Goshawk> ok it's here
[07:19] <Goshawk> now i should run debuild
[07:19] <Goshawk> now found
[07:19] <Goshawk> not
[07:20] <geser> install devscripts inside pbuilder
[07:20] <Goshawk> done
[07:21] <Goshawk> unmet dependecies.. trying to find a way to solve it without typing the whole package list
[07:23] <geser> if the package is known to apt  you can apt-get build-dep packagename
[07:23] <Goshawk> no it's a new version of gcc
[07:23] <Goshawk> it's modificated
[07:24] <Goshawk> i've only the source tree
[07:25] <Goshawk> ehehhe
[07:25] <Goshawk> solved
[07:25] <Goshawk> yep it's a brute hack
[07:25] <Goshawk> but it works
[07:26] <Goshawk> strange that --preserve-buildplace does not work
[07:27] <Goshawk> thanks for your help geser
[07:32] <Goshawk> another little thing: in man pbuilder i read  --debug
[07:32] <Goshawk>               Turn on Debug mode of pbuilder, to be verbose about errors,  and
[07:32] <Goshawk>               try to avoid cleanup processing when error happens in update
[07:32] <Goshawk>                and create targets.
[07:32] <Goshawk>  i did pdebuild -- --debug it failed and the cleanup procedure was done. should i fill a bug against pbuilder?
[07:37] <tortoise_> ls
[07:38] <tortoise_> ^^whoops
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[08:50] <RichiH> did love just spam the channel?
[08:50] <love>
[08:50] <love>
[08:50] <love>
[08:50] <RichiH> love: i need you to stop with that, please
[08:51] <love>
[08:51] <love>
[08:51] <love>
[08:51] <love>
[08:51] <love>
[08:51] <love>
[08:51] <love>
[08:52] <RichiH> *sigh*
[08:52] <RichiH> anyway, have fun, guys :)
[09:01] <sladen> love: if you're going to spam the channel, could you please at least use UTF-8 :)
[09:46] <kristog> do you know  where i can put diff and dsc from a merged /but not uploaded package?
[09:47] <bddebian> File a bug on malone, attach the diff and subscribe MOTU Reviewers
[09:47] <kristog> motu reviewer is a ml?
[09:48] <kristog> s*
[09:49] <bddebian> No a LaunchPad group
[09:49] <bddebian> I think it's actually motureviewers
[09:56] <woodstoc1> Hello?
[10:08] <woodstoc1> Hi all! I have made a package (my first one) for bkchem (bkchem.zirael.org) but I have trouble to understand which files exactly I should upload to the REVU service.  I already put some effort (a huge amount in fact) into that package and it would be a shame if it would fail at this stage.
[10:10] <tortoise_> woodstoc1 just dput revu your-package.changes and dput should do the rest
[10:11] <woodstoc1> that one?
[10:11] <woodstoc1> bkchem_0.11.5-0ubuntu1_i386.changes
[10:11] <kristog> yes
[10:12] <bddebian> bkchem is already on revu
[10:12] <woodstoc1> I asked because I wondered if there is a special one if I would run "dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa ...
[10:15] <woodstoc1> Well, it worked. Thank you.
[10:23] <tortoise_> ajmitch: ping
[11:37] <vil> doko: hi, do you have few minutes for chit-chat?
[12:03] <BHSPitMonkey> hi all