[16:44] <thorwil> newz2000: ping
[16:44] <newz2000> hey thorwil
[16:44] <thorwil> newz2000: hi! i'm sorry to have to bug you again, but i still see a stretched bulb on http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[16:45] <newz2000> really?
[16:45]  * newz2000 checks
[16:45] <newz2000> is this the graphic you made me? http://www.ubuntu.com/files/u1/idea-logo.png
[16:45] <thorwil> yes, looks like it
[16:46] <newz2000> oh, img tag has wrong width
[17:00] <newz2000> thorwil: ok, looks fixed
[17:01] <thorwil> newz2000: good. guess have to wait because of caching again
[17:01] <newz2000> no, it's live now
[17:01] <newz2000> try shift+reload
[17:02] <thorwil> no luck so far
[17:02] <newz2000> that image doesn't look like it has alpha transparency, I wonder if this is the old one
[17:07] <nand> looks now perfect here!
[17:10] <thorwil> ah yes, now it does here, too
[18:17] <Turl> anyone has IE here?
[18:17] <newz2000> sorry, not handy at the moment
[18:18] <jpds> newz2000: Can you remove the "h" at the end of http://www.canonical.com/aboutus ?
[18:19] <newz2000> the h at the end of what?
[18:19] <newz2000> 0h
[18:19] <newz2000> I see it. That's funny. :-)
[18:19] <jpds> At the end of the page.
[18:19] <newz2000> Are you sure we should kill it? I think we should keep it as a pet.
[18:19] <jpds> newz2000: I got an RT ticket on it. Thought I'd prod you directly.
[18:20] <newz2000> efficient communication is good
[18:20] <jpds> You could keep it, you are webmaster, your choice. ;)
[18:21] <newz2000> gone. There was a remarkable amount of html for that one little letter
[18:21] <jpds> I'll close the ticket on it. Thanks.
[18:21] <newz2000> my pleasure. ;-)
[18:23] <jpds> newz2000: Were you at UDS? I didn't see you.
[18:23] <newz2000> no, never been to a UDS
[18:24] <newz2000> it tends to be more development oriented
[18:24] <newz2000> I did go to some awesome drupal training last week though. :-)
[18:25] <Turl> newz2000: do you know php?
[18:25] <newz2000> Turl: yes
[18:25] <Turl> newz2000: then a quick question, what encoding are the vars in $_GET in?
[18:25] <newz2000> url encoding
[18:26] <newz2000> oh, do you mean charset?
[18:26] <Turl> yeah, charset
[18:26] <Turl> is it UTF8?
[18:26] <newz2000> I don't know about php 5.2 but in previous versions you didn't know for sure
[18:27] <newz2000> the client will often include a header explaining the charset, I don't know if php is smart enough to make this available to you (app dev)
[18:27] <Turl> thanks :)
[18:27] <newz2000> I've had numerous problems with this because of cp1252 format
[18:27] <Turl> any way to view the charset at IE?
[18:28] <jpds> newz2000: Maybe we should put a <br /> at the end of the page? Looks like the line and the text are too close.
[18:28] <newz2000> yes it does, I agree
[18:29] <newz2000> better, fix the template, but that won't happen today
[18:29] <jpds> OK, thanks. :)
[18:33] <Turl> ARGGG I'll kick whoever coded IE!
[18:33] <Turl> wouldn't you?
[18:33] <newz2000> waht's happening Turl?
[18:34] <Turl> IE won't read utf8 on titles :/
[18:34] <Turl> nor it would read entities :/
[18:34] <newz2000> oh, what entity?
[18:35] <Turl> sorry, the entities part was my fault
[18:35] <Turl> but it wont read utf8
[18:35] <newz2000> jpds: ok, padding at the bottom of the page now
[18:36] <newz2000> Turl: yes, that's not surprising
[18:36] <newz2000> Turl: do you have a doctype on your page?
[18:36] <Turl> and it 'eats' the entities now :S
[18:36] <Turl> yeah XHTML doctype
[18:36] <Turl> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN"	"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd">
[18:36] <newz2000> if entities are disapering it may be that you're using an entity that is not in the font IE uses
[18:36] <jpds> Looks great now.
[18:36] <newz2000> Turl: check your page, ensure it validates as xhmlt 1.1
[18:37] <newz2000> I hate it when people say that to me but it really is the first thing to check
[18:38] <Turl> I also hate it T_T
[18:38]  * newz2000 is sorry
[18:38] <Turl> it used to validate, but I'll check again
[18:38] <Turl> nevertheless, does IE have a standards mode? :p
[18:38] <Turl> afaik it only has quirks :p
[18:38] <newz2000> yes it does and it's very important to be in standards mode
[18:39] <newz2000> (since at least v6)
[18:39] <Turl> I was being sarcastic :p
[18:39] <newz2000> oh, I see
[18:39] <newz2000> That's one of those lessons that caused me a lot of frustration
[18:40] <Turl> w3 validator gave me an empty page :O
[18:41] <newz2000> it doesn't like you
[18:41] <newz2000> I was helping a friend last night and his page had such invalid HTML that firefox kept crashing and eventually my entire desktop locked up.
[18:42] <Turl> LOL
[18:43] <Turl> and LOL again, it started working as if magic :o
[18:43] <Turl> and it's valid ;) http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fbeta.n-mp3.com%2Fes%2Findex.php%3Fsearch%3DSigur%2520R%25C3%25B3s&charset=(detect+automatically)&doctype=Inline&group=0
[18:44] <newz2000> and yet IE still won't show your entities?
[18:44] <Turl> it works now as if magic, idk what happened :p
[18:45] <Turl> hope it doesn't break again
[18:45] <newz2000> Let's sing a song of praise for IE
[18:45] <Turl> do you know what can make ie show a tremendous white space between two elements? that would also be of help :p
[18:46] <newz2000> well, that's a bit vague, but do you have a table? html tags in between TD's or TR's (in incorrect ways) often causes that
[18:48] <Turl> no table
[18:49] <Turl> go and take a look by yourself http://beta.n-mp3.com/en/index.php?search=Coldplay
[18:50] <Turl> it's the space between the header and the adsense block
[18:50] <newz2000> looks good in firefox. :-)
[18:52] <Turl> IE is the problem ;)


[04:02] <duanedesign> *sigh*
[15:33] <duanedesign> if someone is running 1.0.2 and are having issues, which version should be recommended as an updpgrade. 1.0.3 or 1.1.1
[18:56] <rtgz> Anybody experiencing neverending reconnects?


[12:10] <LaserJock> heh, at this point if edgy boots, I have all my partitions, and X works I'm happy ;-)
[12:10] <buzzen> LaserJock: I had a look already for some bugs about fonts. Couldnt find one specific to Edgy. Only old dapper ones.
[12:12] <Riddell> buzzen: there is a problem, I don't know if it's kde's fault of fontconfig but it's on my list of things to look at
[12:12] <buzzen> Riddell: ok thanks. that's good  (that there is a problem.) . I was worried this was the new look! :)
[12:18] <n8k99> imbrandon: hi
[12:39] <n8k99> imbrandon_: hey
[03:57] <Hobbsee> morning all
[04:09] <rouzic> Hii :D
[04:09] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: would you be on ubuntu-devel mailing list, btw?
[04:09] <rouzic> Hoobsee: 04:09 am xD
[04:09] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:09] <Hobbsee> @time sydney
[04:09] <Ubugtu> Current time in Australia/Sydney: August 27 2006, 12:09:58
[04:10] <rouzic> wow :p
[04:11] <Hobbsee> and i have to hand in my computer assignment by 10am tomorrow
[04:11] <Hobbsee> and i have to go to work today :(
[04:11] <rouzic> :(
[04:13] <LaserJock> ah yes, homework
[04:14] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: are you doing a double major?
[04:15] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: nope
[04:15] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: bachelor of technology in optoelectronics, which includes first year C++
[04:15] <LaserJock> hmm, seems like a lot of CS for optoelectronics
[04:16] <LaserJock> I'll make it through a PhD in Physical Chemistry without ever taking a CS class
[04:18] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:18] <crimsun> that's impressive, considering CS students here have to take one year of chem.
[04:18] <LaserJock> yeah
[04:18] <LaserJock> the feeling isn't mutual apparently
[04:19] <LaserJock> I never did any CS as an undergrad either
[04:19] <crimsun> I'm of the opinion that any science needs to take one year of intro programming
[04:19] <LaserJock> yes, I totally agree
[04:19] <LaserJock> I tried to get my advisor to let me take a Fortran class
[04:19] <LaserJock> but no luck
[04:21] <LaserJock> I would have liked to do CS too, but I was already doing 2 majors
[04:22] <LaserJock> unfortunately right now I see many chemistry going away from programming and just using proprietary software
[04:22] <LaserJock> s/chemistry/chemists/
[04:23] <crimsun> proprietary or not, it's still a requisite skill.
[04:23] <LaserJock> I think I'm 1 of maybe 3-5 grad student in a deparment of 60 that can program really at all
[04:25] <LaserJock> a number of the profs (especially < 40 years old) can program but then don't see it as a needed skill anymore
[04:27] <crimsun> that's akin to saying technical writing & calculus aren't requisite skills in the natural sciences.
[04:28] <LaserJock> well, I have a hard time making that argument in chemistry
[04:28] <LaserJock> it's pretty standard in physics
[04:28] <nixternal> you have a hard time making an argument ;)
[04:29] <LaserJock> but chemistry profs look at the expense of paying a grad student to program or get research done
[04:29] <LaserJock> and most of the time they aren't willing to pay for their students to program
[04:29] <LaserJock> the time expenditure is too much
[04:29] <crimsun> that's because they're raised [in the system]  to look at things like this from a narrow perspective.
[04:30] <crimsun> it's what happens when your university doesn't _force_ you to consider breadth alongside depth
[04:31] <Hobbsee> damn @ bug 57636
[04:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57636 in amarok "amarok_libvisual helper executable missing from Amarok package" [Low,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57636
[04:31] <LaserJock> sure, all that matters is that I pump out papers as fast as I can
[04:32] <LaserJock> I'm already starting my 5th year and I still don't have a paper
[04:32] <crimsun> not just, but you need to pull in massive amounts of funding AND maintain a credible skillset evaluation so that your dept's curriculum remains top-notch
[04:32] <LaserJock> at this point it is very hard for me to tell my boss "let me take a month and fix our data aqcuisition program"
[04:33] <crimsun> get an interested (aka starving) CS student to do it.
[04:33] <LaserJock> or pay the $1000 to buy the program
[04:35] <LaserJock> the problem is that most profs see FLOSS as just a monetary thing
[04:36] <LaserJock> and since they just pass the money on to the funding agency it doesn't bother them
[04:39] <LaserJock> ok, I'll try here
[04:39] <LaserJock> in KDE my laptop is randomly hibernating
[04:40] <LaserJock> it is plugged in and at ~100% power
[04:40] <LaserJock> anybody heard of that?
[04:43] <rouzic_ausente> Good Bye
[07:51] <imbrandon_>
[07:51] <lnxkde> is aiglx nvidia-glx and cgwd working on edgy?
[07:51] <imbrandon> not yet
[07:52] <LaserJock> hehe
[07:52] <lnxkde> :( well my dapper runs pefectly with XGl/cgwd with ati
[07:52] <lnxkde> but with my nvidia laptop it does not work... It gives me some distortion on images.
[08:23] <nixternal> imbrandon: that wallpaper is staying for the time be, and will be part of the Edgy Knot 2 release
[08:24] <serzholino> hi. any plans for amarok 1.4.2 for dapper?
[08:25] <nixternal> im sure it will get ported over eventually
[08:35] <imbrandon> yes it will, dont make me bust out logs lol
[08:37] <nixternal> haha
[08:37] <nixternal> actually, i can log your to Rid''dell and me talkin' about it
[08:37] <nixternal> he said he doesn't like it either, but it will be there for knot 2
[08:37] <nixternal> wow, i can type ;)
[11:59] <kwwii> moin
[12:07] <imbrandon> heya kwwii
[12:07] <imbrandon> back home ?
[12:07] <imbrandon> Riddell: poke
[12:08] <imbrandon> rouzic: hello ( i'm gussing thats a greeting )
[12:11] <imbrandon> so whats new today kwwii heh
[12:12] <imbrandon> kwwii: i'm just gonna send Riddell those raw images, i cant figure out for the life of me how to make a uu debdiff of them
[12:12] <imbrandon> ( for konq )
[12:33] <kwwii> imbrandon: cool, I am sure we can figure it out
[12:35] <kwwii> now I am reading my post, paying bills, etc.
[12:37] <Hobbsee> hey kwwii :)
[12:38] <imbrandon> hrm actualy Hobbsee i cant find that one you attached me to
[12:38] <imbrandon> what bug # was it ?
[12:38] <imbrandon> i know the problem and have it fixed localy but i cant find the damn bug LOL
[12:39] <kwwii> howdy Hobbsee
[12:39] <Hobbsee> imbrandon https://launchpad.net/bugs/57636
[12:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57636 in amarok "amarok_libvisual helper executable missing from Amarok package" [Low,Confirmed]
[12:39] <imbrandon> ah kk , got it, thanks
[12:51] <imbrandon> wow this is a can of worms, good thing is most of these are easy to fix and one fix closes 2 or 3 bugs
[12:57] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:11] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:11] <imbrandon> heya freeflying
[01:12] <imbrandon> freeflying: i compiled all my goodies with ppc yesterday so you would be happy
[01:14] <freeflying> imbrandon: great  :)
[01:14] <freeflying> imbrandon: I'll have a look later  :)
[01:14] <imbrandon>
[01:16] <freeflying> imbrandon: can you use two fingers scrolling on ibook
[01:16] <imbrandon> i have seen it done but i have never setup the driver to do so
[01:16] <imbrandon> suposidly you can use sematics to do it
[01:16] <freeflying> semastics?
[01:17] <imbrandon> yea
[01:17] <imbrandon> the touchpad driver thing
[01:17] <freeflying> I found some patch for synaptics
[01:17] <freeflying> but it may not be applied for the latest synaptics
[01:18] <imbrandon> yea sho said it was just some settings in xorg.conf but i never took the time to try it. and you could have the liek top right corner be right click etc
[01:18] <imbrandon> and scroll down the right side of the pad and all kinda stuff, but i never set it up myself
[01:19] <freeflying> imbrandon: any clues for setup?
[01:19] <imbrandon> honestly no idea, you might ask sho_ in #konversation , he told me about it
[01:19] <imbrandon> but he is sleeping right now
[01:20] <imbrandon> he said he has it working on gentoo and kubuntu both
[01:20] <imbrandon> last i talked to him
[01:20] <imbrandon> ohh actualy he is alive
[01:20] <imbrandon> i just looked
[01:20] <imbrandon> go poke him
[01:20] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: sho_ asked why the daily konvi builds stopped, btw
[01:20] <imbrandon> they havent, look at the date
[01:22] <imbrandon> later kwwii
[01:22] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: see http://www.imbrandon.com/packages/pool/dapper/konversation-nightly/  <--- look at the dates
[01:22] <imbrandon> it hasent run yet today but its running and working
[01:22] <imbrandon> and edgy too
[01:22] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: that's what i thought...
[01:26] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: wow they are going to town on him
[01:26] <imbrandon> ( and they are right somewhat )
[01:27] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: only somewhat.
[01:27] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: think of the universe uploaders, of which i'm the owner - they need to do what we ask for, or we wont do what they want
[01:28] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: the same happens with the new sync request system, i expect
[01:44] <imbrandon> crimsun: you alive ?
[01:47] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: likely at work - he's set to away
[01:48] <imbrandon> yup yup no biggie i just dident wanna go the LP route
[01:48] <imbrandon> i'll find someone semi soon
[01:49] <imbrandon> wow madreva questions on the kubunutu-users list, they must like our community but hate out distro LOL , just teasin
[01:49] <imbrandon> iot does amaze me though
[01:51] <imbrandon> heh its real short email, since its dead in here i'll paste it
[01:51] <imbrandon> one sec
[01:51] <imbrandon> lol
[01:52] <imbrandon> I just installed Mandriva One and noticed that there wasn't any modem
[01:52] <imbrandon> activity  icon in the kicker panel at the bottom of the screen.  In a
[01:52] <imbrandon> earlier versions of Mandriva I somehow installed a icon that mimicked
[01:52] <imbrandon> the  send and receive  lights  on my external modem.
[01:52] <imbrandon>   Any suggestions on how to regain  or install this feature?
[01:52] <imbrandon> Owen
[01:52] <imbrandon> ^^
[01:52] <Hobbsee> oh dear...
[01:52] <imbrandon> honestly i dont even know the answer or i would politely tell him AND inform him its a kubuntu list
[01:54] <imbrandon> i havent used a dialup modem since early 98 sometime
[01:54] <imbrandon> heh
[01:54] <imbrandon> thats when we first got cable here
[01:55] <imbrandon> although tleds is nice for using the numlock light and capslock light on your keyboard for tx/rx of the nic
[01:56] <imbrandon> i havent tried it on ubuntu but on suse it rocked
[01:56] <imbrandon> err maybe caps/scroll lock but still , it was cool
[01:59] <Hobbsee> Failed to fetch http://imbrandon.com/packages/dists/edgy/Release  Unable to find expected entry  amarok/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[01:59] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ^
[02:00] <imbrandon> you have "amarok" instead of "all" in your sources.list ( but amarok for edgy is uploaded to main already )
[02:00] <Hobbsee> ah crud, i forgot to take it out.
[02:00] <Hobbsee> and i'm not using "all"
[02:01] <imbrandon> heh all is only konvo
[02:01] <imbrandon>
[02:01] <imbrandon> you can use konversation-nightly and extras ( mugshot ) for edgy
[02:01] <imbrandon> or all
[02:01] <Hobbsee> + whatever random stuff you do in future, and then i try to debug, and wonder why it works strangely
[02:02] <imbrandon> hahaha i only put the random stuff in "extra" and its not included in all
[02:02] <imbrandon> "all" is only official build stuff
[02:02] <imbrandon> but as you wish
[02:02] <imbrandon> you realy only want konversation-nightly
[02:03] <Hobbsee> ah right
[02:03] <Hobbsee> true that
[02:03] <imbrandon> everything else is for dapper mainly ( amarok , kopete , konversation , mugshot , etc etc etc )
[02:03] <imbrandon> stuff thats not in dapper , then when edgy releases i'll make a good full edgy section
[02:03] <imbrandon> but for not might as well upload it to the archive
[02:04] <imbrandon> s/not/now
[02:04] <Hobbsee> well, yeah, exactly
[02:05] <imbrandon> btw i did backport kopete 0.12.2 to dapper and put it up, just havent announced it to the world yet heh
[02:05] <imbrandon> i386 ppc and amd64
[02:05] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[02:05] <Hobbsee> i requested a backport for that, btw
[02:05] <imbrandon> yea this is in the meantime
[02:05] <imbrandon> deb http://imbrandon.com/packages dapper kopete
[02:05] <imbrandon> just for that
[02:06] <imbrandon> i'll make a blog post later about it
[02:06] <imbrandon> telling how to get the gpg key etc
[02:06] <imbrandon> anyhow
[02:48] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ping?
[02:48] <imbrandon> pong
[02:48] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: where's your fix for amarok for uploading?  do you have a debdiff?
[02:48] <imbrandon> ye
[02:49] <imbrandon> got me a sponsor? one sec brb
[02:50] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yep
[02:50] <Hobbsee> well, i want to check if it's sane too
[02:50] <imbrandon> hahahahahaha its sane and tested on my machine that it works, uploading now , whos the uploader ?
[02:51] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: zul
[02:51] <imbrandon> http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/temp/amarok.debdiff
[02:52] <imbrandon> kk thank Hobbsee
[02:52] <Hobbsee> +  * Added libvisual-0.4-0 to Recomends ( visualsation support )
[02:53] <imbrandon> yes
[02:53] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: isnt that picked up by ${shlibs:Depends} anyway?
[02:53] <Hobbsee> as a dependancy?
[02:53] <imbrandon> no becouse its not a dep
[02:53] <imbrandon> amarok dosent NEED it
[02:53] <Hobbsee> well, yeah
[02:53] <Hobbsee> point
[02:54] <imbrandon> ahh Riddell
[02:54] <imbrandon> hehe
[02:54] <Lure> Riddell: welcome back!
[02:55] <imbrandon> welcome back
[02:55] <toma> Riddell: you are in the netherlands?
[02:55] <Lure> toma: ;-)
[02:55] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell!
[02:55] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: did zul do that ? if not Riddell can i bet heheh
[02:55] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: he's uploading it after breakfast.  it looks sane, except for the typo.
[02:56] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: i know it looked sane heheh thanks for the +1 though , good idea bbiab food
[02:57] <imbrandon> Riddell: i fixed the libvisual ( that complained about it even if you had libvis installed ) bug if you wanna
[02:57] <imbrandon> poke it ( but zul said he would upload after breakfast i guess )
[02:59] <Riddell> imbrandon: what was up?
[02:59] <imbrandon> the amarok_libvisual helper was being built but not installed
[03:00] <Riddell> ah hah, and does shlibs then add libvisual as a dep once that's included?
[03:00] <imbrandon> you know i dident look ..... /me looks now
[03:00] <imbrandon>  debian/tmp/usr/bin/amarokcollectionscanner	/usr/lib/amarok
[03:00] <imbrandon> +debian/tmp/usr/bin/amarok_libvisual     /usr/lib/amarok
[03:01] <imbrandon> ^^ the simple change
[03:02] <imbrandon> Riddell: yup looks like it
[03:02] <imbrandon> woot
[03:02] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:/var/cache/pbuilder/edgy/result$ apt-cache show amarok|grep libvisual
[03:02] <imbrandon> Depends: amarok-xine, ruby, python-qt3, kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.3-1), libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libaudio2, libc6 (>= 2.4-1), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1-11ubuntu1), libgl1-mesa-glx | libgl1, libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libgpod0, libice6, libidn11 (>= 0.5.18), libifp4, libjpeg62, libmysqlclient15off (>= 5.0.19-1), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8rel), libpq4 (>= 8.1.4), libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.6),
[03:02] <imbrandon> libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1), libsm6, libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1-11ubuntu1), libtag1c2a (>= 1.4), libtunepimp3 (>= 0.4.2), libusb-0.1-4 (>= 2:0.1.12), libvisual-0.4-0 (>= 0.4.0), libx11-6, libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxext6, libxft2 (>> 2.1.1), libxi6, libxinerama1, libxrandr2, libxrender1, libxt6, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1)
[03:02] <imbrandon> ^^ piked it up
[03:02] <imbrandon> picked*
[03:05] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i'm sure that's what i asked you before....
[03:06] <imbrandon> it is but i was thinking of a convo yesterday
[03:06] <imbrandon> either way its all go for when we more to "recomends" that one will be ready heh
[03:06] <imbrandon> my mistake though
[03:07] <imbrandon> mmmm fruity pebbles
[03:07] <imbrandon> s/go/good/g s/more/move/g
[03:08] <Hobbsee> lol
[03:09] <imbrandon> ugh, now i need to fix / rebuild the dapper version too huh ? lol
[03:11] <Hobbsee> of course :)
[03:11] <imbrandon> heh already started on all 3 machines
[03:43] <imbrandon> heh looks like konversation is skipping 0.20 .21 .22 etc etc etc streight to 1.0
[03:43] <imbrandon> [08:40]  <Sho_> imbrandon: Besides, it's going to be 1.0
[03:44] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: true that.  and 2.0 for KDE4
[03:44] <imbrandon> yup
[04:10] <imbrandon> lol
[04:11] <Hobbsee> right, it's stopped sucking.
[04:11] <Hobbsee> it even makes sense now
[04:15] <Hobbsee> hey bd
[04:15] <Hobbsee> imbrandon:
[04:15] <Hobbsee> gah.
[04:15] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian
[04:15] <bddebian> Morning
[04:15] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[04:16] <imbrandon> heh
[04:16] <imbrandon> heya bddebian
[04:17] <bddebian> Heya imbrandon
[04:34] <hobbsee> i have one word to describe this
[04:40] <Hobbsee> maybe one phrase
[04:41] <imbrandon_> describe what ?
[04:42] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: it's not a good idea to remove /tmp - now i cant login to kde
[04:42] <Hobbsee> which is really not cool, as i have an assignment due tomorrow
[04:42] <imbrandon_> heh , yea you and removing dir's
[04:42] <imbrandon_> hyst recreate it
[04:42] <imbrandon_> just too
[04:43] <fdoving> Hobbsee: did you remove all of /tmp?
[04:43] <Prezu> Could someone please review the Kadu package in REVU? :) (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2968)
[04:43] <fdoving> re-make it, '/etc/init.d/xorg-common restart' and try again?
[04:43] <Hobbsee> fdoving: yes
[04:44] <Hobbsee> hmmm...
[04:44] <Prezu> I need a second advocation.
[04:45] <Riddell> just as hobbsee quits
[04:49] <fdoving> forgot to tell her to chmod /tmp to 777.. but let's hope she figures that out herself.
[04:50] <Hobbsee> woot....
[04:50] <fdoving> Hobbsee: did it work? did you chmod /tmp to 777?
[04:52] <Hobbsee> it does when i chmod it, yes :)
[04:52] <fdoving> :)
[04:52] <Hobbsee> hey!!!!
[04:54] <Hobbsee> twitch twitch
[04:54] <Hobbsee> mega ouch.
[04:56] <Hobbsee> FUCK!!!
[04:56] <Hobbsee> i never backed up properly either!!!
[05:04] <fdoving> heh.. i just spendt 10 hours re-creating a pig-feeding control server at a curstomers farm. I can't belive anyone would trust windows xp to feed their animals. Having backups would be nice. Now i have partimage images of his working setup. Then nexttime i'll maybe use 1 hour to restore it. I love partimage.
[05:04] <Hobbsee> hey cool, there's a backup sitting in my trash.
[05:04] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:04] <fdoving> lucky you :)
[05:05] <Hobbsee> fdoving: i removed a whole heap of crucial files a few weeks ago during the last meeting.  you would think i'd learned by now, wouldtn you...
[05:05] <fdoving> rdiff-backup and partimage. both rocks.
[05:06] <fdoving> backupninja is also cool.
[05:07] <rouzic> Thanks imbrandon_
[05:07] <rouzic> amarok 1.4.2 :)
[05:17] <Hobbsee> oh drat, i still have another section of the assignmetn to write
[05:21] <imbrandon_> rouzic: your welcome
[05:21] <imbrandon_> ahh finaly all 3 arches done compiling and uploaded
[05:21] <imbrandon_> Riddell: ping
[05:22] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee: is zul back from breakfast ?
[05:22] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: i think so
[05:22] <imbrandon_>  /win 7
[05:22] <imbrandon_> doh
[05:23] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: why irssi?
[05:24] <imbrandon_> i'm on my lappy
[05:24] <imbrandon_> on the lappy i just ssh into the server so i can reboot/change wm etc
[05:24] <imbrandon_> ( for irssi )
[05:24] <Hobbsee> ahh...
[05:24] <Hobbsee> nice
[05:24] <Riddell> hi Hobbsee
[05:27] <Riddell> who?
[05:27] <imbrandon_> zul
[05:27] <Hobbsee> zul
[05:27] <Hobbsee> heya Riddell :)
[05:28] <Riddell> ok
[05:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: excuse my swearing and cursing earlier :P
[05:28] <Riddell> imbrandon_: pong
[05:28] <imbrandon_> hehe unless you wanna upload the amarok.debdiff then i'll pm him to not worry about it
[05:28] <imbrandon_> heh
[05:28] <Riddell> sure
[05:28] <Riddell> I can
[05:29] <grayghost> is KSql available for Kubuntu  ?
[05:29] <imbrandon_> i just got done recompileing all the dapper versions too
[05:29] <imbrandon_> and uploaded those
[05:29] <imbrandon_> Riddell: one sec lemme grab the diff url
[05:30] <imbrandon_> Riddell: http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/temp/amarok.debdiff
[05:30] <Hobbsee> !search ksql
[05:30] <Hobbsee> !find ksql
[05:31] <ubotu> Package/file ksql does not exist in dapper
[05:31] <Hobbsee> grayghost: doesnt look like it
[05:31] <grayghost> thank you then I will try to compile :-[
[05:32] <Riddell> grayghost: i ksql a new programme?  it sounds old to me, you could look at datakiosk or kexi
[05:33] <grayghost> I don't know datakiosk of kexi
[05:35] <grayghost> If I get it working should I post the info somewhere?
[05:39] <grayghost> I found datakiosk   it look the same as ksql  thanks
[05:46] <Prezu> Could someone please review the Kadu package in REVU? It need one more advocate. It's really popular instant messenger in Poland and many Debian and Ubuntu users use my external repository (on upstream's website - http://kadu.net).
[06:07] <Riddell> "For real, I and many many of my friends are impressed whit that project." first kubuntu fanmail from Ali G
[06:08] <bddebian> :-)
[06:09] <nixternal> Ali G!!!
[06:09] <exobuzz> borat movie is out soon
[06:10] <exobuzz> i think his borat character is much funnier than ali g
[06:10] <nixternal> ali g kills me though..i miss the show
[06:10] <exobuzz> Prezu: kadu is an excellent program. how do i advocate it ?
[06:10] <exobuzz> Prezu: or it needs a developer ?
[06:10] <bddebian> exobuzz: Are you an MOTU?
[06:10] <exobuzz> im just a l(user) :)
[06:11] <bddebian> Ah.  YOu can review it on revu.tauware.de but unfortunately you couldn't advocate.
[06:11] <exobuzz> oh
[06:12] <exobuzz> gadsugadu is popular in the uk too, because the uk is popular for Poles! :-)
[06:14] <ryanakca> Lure: ping
[06:14] <Lure> ryanakca: pong
[06:14] <ryanakca> Lure: were you using eqonomize?
[06:14] <Lure> ryanakca: yes
[06:15] <Lure> ryanakca: I checked your package and it looks ok to me
[06:15] <ryanakca> Lure: ok... fixed some stuff in the packaging... so..  you might want to upgrade with the source, or wait untill .bddebian puts it up on the repos today :)
[06:16] <Lure> ryanakca: on revu? will check...
[06:16] <Lure> ryanakca: and thank you for packaging it...
[06:17] <ryanakca> Lure: yep, source in on revu, and it'll be on repos soon (as soon as kadu is done building), np... first attempt at cdbs... debhelper is evil...
[06:17] <ryanakca> Lure: it's on the repos :)
[06:19] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: i've found more evil things :P
[06:19] <ryanakca> lol
[06:20] <bddebian> hehe
[06:21] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:23] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: *no one* takes my whip and long pointy stick.
[06:23] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: problem solved, really
[06:24] <Hobbsee> psst.  i dont really have a whip, you know
[06:24] <ryanakca> oh... ok...
[06:24] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:25] <Hobbsee> no human does either
[06:25] <Lure> it looks like strigi failed to build :-( https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/238872
[06:25] <ryanakca> drats... nevermind... I take that back...
[06:25] <ryanakca> you typed faster :P
[06:25] <Riddell> Lure: I've requested a sync with a newer version from debian which fixes it
[06:25] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: if you do that, then i'll give you lots of work to do, and wont review your stuff :P
[06:25] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: yes, i type fast :P
[06:26] <Hobbsee> i've learned
[06:26] <Lure> Riddell: good - looking forward to try it (I was overly excited by beagle, but then it become a memory/cpu hog)
[06:26] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: have you ever reviewed my stuff?
[06:26] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: not sure
[06:26] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: I'm bored, what can I do?
[06:26] <ryanakca> lol
[06:26] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: if it's all through NEW, then likely not
[06:26] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: fix bugs in kdebase.
[06:26] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:26] <Hobbsee> is it in c?
[06:27] <Hobbsee> i thought most of kde was in c++
[06:27] <ryanakca> oh...
[06:27] <ryanakca> hmm... isn't cpp and extension of c?
[06:27] <ryanakca> or is it a completly different language?
[06:28] <Hobbsee> havent written any o fit though
[06:28] <Lure> Riddell: what are kwwi's plans regarding logout dialog? I was thinking if suspend/hibernate integration would make sense - like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPowersave#head-ad7d472db3598a4e26e2854d975e69be09f94cb6
[06:28] <Hobbsee> it's an extension, im' told
[06:29] <ryanakca> I'm at the point just past "Goodbye cruel world" (C version of Hello World, as if the world is sitting there watching the programmer type)...
[06:29] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:30] <Riddell> Lure: nice artwork on logout would be nice but it's not easy to change so kwwii won't do it
[06:30] <Lure> Riddell: so adding two buttons to logout would be fine?
[06:32] <Riddell> sure
[06:32] <Riddell> so long as they were only enabled on machines with power management
[06:33] <Lure> Riddell: exaclty - I suspect it would be best to ask kpm what machine support over dcop
[06:34] <Lure> Riddell: if kpm is not there, we would not show anything
[06:35] <Lure> Riddell: that way I do not complile HAL/dbus support into kdebase
[06:40] <Riddell> hal is already needed by kdebase
[06:40] <Riddell> but whichever is easiest
[09:21] <rouzic> Hi all
[09:21] <Riddell> hi rouzic
[09:22] <rouzic> There is some program to optimize kubuntu?
[09:22] <Riddell> in which way?
[09:22] <rouzic> To eliminate the logs, unnecessary files
[09:22] <Riddell> rm?
[09:22] <rouzic> But automatic?
[09:23] <Riddell> logs are handled by logrotate
[09:26] <rouzic> In Mac OS X knew a program that optimizes the whole system and it you eliminates unnecessary files, probably in Linux it is not necessary to have a program like that, but if it exists I would like to know which is:)
[09:27] <Riddell> "optimise" is somewhat vauge
[09:27] <rouzic> vauge?
[09:28] <Riddell> it could mean many things
[09:32] <rouzic> oks
[09:35] <fdoving> nite all.
[10:02] <Mez> Riddell: ping
[10:03] <Riddell> hi Mez
[10:05] <Mez> Riddell: wanna send me the stuff for the new theme and I'll shove it into bzr or something
[10:05] <bddebian> HI MEZ! ;-P
[10:05] <Riddell> Mez: I gave you the files, that's all I have
[10:05] <Mez> oh, you only have the 2 things ?
[10:06] <Mez> fair enough.. can you send me the URL's again
[10:07] <Riddell> 19:07 < Riddell> Mez: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/o2singlebg.png http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/o2doublebg.png
[10:16] <seaLne> Mez: ubuntu-backports is emailed about backport bugs but "Post by non-member to a members-only list" if you comment on a bug
[10:17] <Mez> seaLne, I thought I'd fixed that - grr
[10:17] <seaLne> well that was friday night, when did you fix it?
[10:17] <Mez> like - 4 months ago
[10:18] <Mez> f00k
[10:18] <Mez> 1700 pending moderator requests
[10:18] <seaLne> and no one bothered to mention it? weird
[10:19] <Mez> nope
[10:21] <Mez> seaLne, weird... the spam filter is set up to accept them automatically... but it doesnt seem like it wants to
[10:22] <Mez> Subject: [REQUEST] .+
[10:22] <Mez> X-Generated-By: Launchpad (canonical.com)
[10:22] <Mez> X-Launchpad-Bug:.+
[10:22] <Mez> Sender<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:22] <Mez> is all set to accept
[10:22] <seaLne> Subject: [Bug 57602]  Re: k3b 0.12.17-1ubuntu1
[10:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57602 in dapper-backports "k3b 0.12.17-1ubuntu1" [Medium,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57602
[10:23] <toma> rsibreak backported? missed that one
[12:03] <crimsun> imbrandon_: pong
[12:09] <Riddell> hmm, do I want _Sime to be an e.v. member


[05:50] <jk^> hi all
[05:59] <jk^> why at this link https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop it doesn't let me choose between 32 bit and 64 bit version and offers me just 64 bit version?
[06:02] <tsimonq2> jk^: Ask them yourself ;) https://github.com/canonical-websites/www.ubuntu.com/issues/new
[06:03] <jk^> tsimonq2
[06:04] <jk^> i'm not registered
[06:04] <jk^> i can't
[06:04] <jk^> :\
[06:06] <tsimonq2> Ah k
[06:14] <SwedeMike> jk^: press "alternative downloads", then scrool down and there are multiple ways to get 32bit
[06:17] <SwedeMike> jk^: btw, why do you want the 32bit version?
[07:18] <jk^> SwedeMike, what means "btw"?
[07:19] <tsimonq2> jk^: By The Way, it's like saying "while we're at it"
[07:23] <jk^> my pc is at 32 bit
[07:23] <jk^> however in the "alternative download" there aren't the direct link for 32 bit version
[07:23] <jk^> just link for torrents
[07:23] <jk^> tsimonq2
[07:23] <jk^> SwedeMike
[07:49] <SwedeMike> jk^: http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/netboot/xenial/ has both amd64 and i386
[07:49] <jk^> it isn't the official site
[07:50] <SwedeMike> jk^: *Sigh* http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/netboot/xenial/
[07:50] <SwedeMike> better?
[07:53] <jk^> what means "netboot"?
[07:54] <tsimonq2> jk^: Here: http://releases.ubuntu.com/
[07:56] <jk^> mmmmh :|
[07:56] <jk^> one time, i can download it from the link i pasted .(
[07:56] <jk^> :(
[07:56] <jk^> i remember it let me choose between 32 and 64 :|
[08:01] <SwedeMike> jk^: since most processors from the past 10 years can do 64bit, 32bit is not the recommended choice for most people.
[11:29] <scenick> Hi, can I be any good?
[12:56] <GumiBot> Hello! I've installed 17.10 pre-release on a laptop that I'm using every day
[12:57] <GumiBot> and I've already found some weird "bugs" but I'm not sure if these are related to Ubuntu itself
[12:57] <GumiBot> Can I still report them to the Ubuntu team?
[16:35] <lotus|artfulbox> anyone else has empty icons in gnome software in 17.10 when launching?
[16:35] <lotus|artfulbox> after a while package icons showup afterall
[16:36] <lotus|artfulbox> just wanna know if its worth making a bug
[16:43] <oerheks> lotus|artfulbox,
[16:43] <oerheks> what gives: killall gnome-software ; gnome-software --verbose
[16:45] <oerheks> .. and from what mirror do you update?
[16:48] <oerheks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/760278/the-new-software-center-in-ubuntu-16-04-shows-no-application-data-found also gives a weird answer: System Settings > Language Support, re-apply system-wide, and reboot. Now the new app store actually functions.
[16:49] <oerheks> maybe this is still the same for 17.10
[16:53] <lotus|artfulbox> oerheks, im installing languages right now, lets c what that gives
[16:54] <oerheks> :-)
[16:55] <lotus|artfulbox> oerheks, bingo! that worked like a charm
[16:55] <oerheks> i was reading this old bug too, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1563155
[16:55] <lotus|artfulbox> oerheks, weather banner shows up gnome software in my language now
[16:56] <oerheks> maybe you can confirm that this solution works for 17.10, perhaps for those xenial users too
[16:56] <lotus|artfulbox> oerheks, ill do that right away, didnt test on xenial yet
[16:56] <oerheks> did it happen after install or updates?
[16:57] <lotus|artfulbox> oerheks, updates didnt solve problem was from the fresh iso install
[16:57] <lotus|artfulbox> oerheks, just now language support fixxed it
[16:57] <oerheks> good :-)
[16:57] <oerheks> just asking, to determin when this happens
[16:58] <oerheks> you just saved 100.000 systems :-P
[16:59] <lotus|artfulbox> lol
[16:59] <lotus|artfulbox> oerheks, too bad the 17.10 devs wont notice this when i just add comment on existing old bug?
[17:00] <lotus|artfulbox> oerheks, isnt there a trick to force ubuntu-bug onto an existing bug?
[17:00] <lotus|artfulbox> without making a dupe
[17:01] <oerheks> if you file a bug, you get some examples of same bugs, no?
[17:01] <lotus|artfulbox> yeah
[17:01] <oerheks> search for the same in a 2nd browser
[17:03] <oerheks> i https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1706488
[17:03] <lotus|artfulbox> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1563155
[17:03] <lotus|artfulbox> #46
[17:03] <lotus|artfulbox> gonna remind in #ubuntu-devel oerheks
[17:05] <oerheks> i am sure they read back here too
[17:05] <lotus|artfulbox> kk
[17:06] <lotus|artfulbox> oerheks, tnx for the fix
[17:09] <oerheks> have fun :-)
[17:11] <lotus|artfulbox> really hope they will fix a quicker way then activities
[17:12] <oerheks> it is holliday time also, but the belgium-dutch bughunt-team lotuspsychje&oerheks are on it :-P
[17:12] <lotus|artfulbox> lol
[17:12] <lotus|artfulbox> bughunting never sleeps
[17:13] <lotus|artfulbox> cu next session oerheks


[12:02] <doko> wasabi_: ping
[12:29] <wasabi_> pong
[01:24] <doko> wasabi_: oh, didn't see you ...
[01:25] <doko> wasabi_: I did update man-di's current 3.1 build with your patch to disable tomcat, and fixed the amd64 build. would you mind having a look at it, if it's suited for breezy?
[01:28] <doko> wasabi_: diff & dsc at http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko


[15:15] <rockstar> Anyone around for a review?
[15:16] <rockstar> sinzui maybe?
[15:16] <sinzui> rockstar, I am
[15:16] <rockstar> sinzui, very small diff, creating mp now.
[15:21] <rockstar> sinzui, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rockstar/launchpad/cancel-rescore-redux/+merge/30856
[15:25] <sinzui> rockstar, r=me
[15:25] <rockstar> sinzui, great, thanks.
[15:25] <rockstar> sinzui, actually, I need to check status instead of buildstate. status is currently just a reference to buildstate, but buildstate is going away in db-devel soon.
[15:25] <rockstar> I forgot about that.
[15:26] <sinzui> :(
[15:26] <sinzui> I will be about for 1 more hour
[15:27] <rockstar> sinzui, this is the diff: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/468461/
[15:27] <sinzui> that looks good
[15:28] <sinzui> go ahead and land it
[15:28]  * rockstar sends to ec2
[15:29] <rockstar> sinzui, also, you were right.  Smaller branches == greater velocity


[01:45] <tyche> mdke: Well, a little late (that's what happens when you're an old man and take a nap :-)  ), but thanks for the information.
[07:19] <mdke> tyche: np!
[15:58] <tyche> akgraner: ping
[16:02] <akgraner> tyche, pong
[16:03] <tyche> I notice that you still haven't added Open Week to the Fridge calendar.  You DO want people to attend, don't you?
[16:03] <tyche> :-)
[16:04] <akgraner> tyche, yes.. jcastro wanted to wait til we move everything to the other wiki
[16:04] <akgraner> and go from openweekprep to open week...
[16:04] <tyche> AH!  No problem.  I see I'm jumping the gun.
[16:05] <akgraner> hehe no worries.. I do that all the time.. especially when I am excited about an event... :-D  no worries..
[16:05] <tyche> BTW, I finished my presentation, and will be transferring it to a text file in the next couple of days, so that it can just be copied and pasted into the channel.
[16:06] <tyche> PLEASE!  Make sure you include the channel that it's being held in ( and the sub-channel for questions), and a link to your agenda.
[16:07] <tyche> And if you need help, holler.  Since I helped set up the Google calendar that feeds the Fridge, I have some idea on how it works and how best to put the information in.
[16:10] <tyche> Also, if you give me (us) a link to information about Open Week ahead of time, we can include it in an earlier issue of the UWN.  Just good advertising.  Hee hee


[00:17] <|Anthony|> what is happening regarding consolekit and udev having been merged into systemd?
[00:56] <jbicha> man, staring at the Dash for too long trying to document it, I see these minor inconsistencies
[00:56] <jbicha> I guess it gives us something to do for 13.04
[05:59] <pitti> Good morning
[07:04] <dholbach> good morning
[07:05] <bkerensa> oh submittodebian Y U crash
[10:31] <alexbligh> If I publish package foo-1.deb that contains /etc/foo/bar and it is installed, then publish and install a new version foo-2.deb which does not contain /etc/foo/bar, should I expect /etc/foo/bar to be deleted? If not, how to I achieve this? (in this particular example it's a file in a run-parts-like directory)
[10:34] <alexbligh> (obviously an rm in postinst will look like a local change, and an rm in preinst isn't good if the installation fails)
[10:39] <pitti> alexbligh: no, it shouldn't be deleted; you need to add a debian/foo.maintscripts for that, see man dpkg-maintscript-helper
[10:39] <pitti> alexbligh: that'll create proper preinst/postinst snippets for you very conveniently and robustly
[10:39] <cjwatson> s/maintscripts/maintscript/
[10:39] <pitti> alexbligh: I mean it shoudln't be deleted by dpkg itself
[10:39] <cjwatson> (and also see 'man dh_installdeb')
[10:39] <pitti> right, thanks cjwatson (see man dh_installdeb)
[10:40] <ogra_> and on a nitpicker sidenote it should be -0ubuntu1.deb .... -0ubuntu2.deb, not -1.deb or -2.deb :)
[10:40] <ogra_> (unless you plan to push to debian first)
[10:42] <alexbligh> hmm, lucid does know of anything with 'maintscript' in, unless I'm missing something
[10:42] <pitti> right, this needs dpkg (>= <IP_ADDRESS>)
[10:43] <pitti> alexbligh: for older releases you need to write the stuff manually, see http://wiki.debian.org/DpkgConffileHandling
[10:45] <pitti> alexbligh: may I ask what you plan to do? changing conffiles in lucid doesn't sound like an obviously right thing to do at this point
[10:45] <alexbligh> pitti, thanks - not such a trivial question.
[10:45] <pitti> if you have leftover conffiles, it's usually easier to clean them up with a precise/quantal upgrade than doing SRUs for leftover conffiles
[10:45] <alexbligh> pitti, oh this is partly down to my complete stupidity in putting something in /etc/ which should have been a symlink to stuff in /var.
[12:17] <doko> ogra_, should we keep the dri2-utils in restricted, or move these to multiverse?
[12:17] <ogra_> doko, does that come out of the libdri2 source package ?
[12:17] <doko> yes
[12:18] <ogra_> i can ask robclark once he is up ...
[12:18] <doko> thanks
[12:18] <ogra_> but given the rest of libdri2 is in restricted ....
[12:18] <ogra_> (and has to stay there)
[12:19] <doko> ok, I'll seed it then
[12:31] <doko> Laney, debfx: about qt4-x11 and webkit ...
[12:31] <doko> in 4:4.7.3-1
[12:31] <doko>   * Drop 91_s390_use_gstabs.diff patch. It's no longer needed as webkit is not
[12:31] <doko>     built from Qt sources anymore.
[12:32] <brendand> anyone here have inside info about pep8 (the tool)?
[12:32] <doko> so this issue did pop up before. but why is qt4-x11 building webkit internally again?
[12:32] <brendand> i'm trying to get the --diff option to work. seems futile atm. using v1.3.3
[12:32] <brendand> i'm piping a bzr diff and it's not really doing what i'd expect
[12:33] <brendand> --help says it needs a unified diff (which is what bzr diff gives, right?)
[12:34] <Laney> doko: interesting
[12:35] <debfx> doko: it always has built qtwebkit in ubuntu
[12:36] <debfx> do you think building with -gstabs instead of -g would help?
[12:36] <doko> debfx, I'll wait on Laney's build with -gstabs, and then we'll know
[12:36] <Laney> doko: I think the patched make will still end up being necessary, btw
[12:37] <doko> and currently timing the link step
[12:37] <cjwatson> My pep8(1) doesn't document a --diff option at all
[12:37] <cjwatson> But that's the version in quantal which is older than the one you're talking about
[12:38] <brendand> cjwatson, hmm. new feature i guess
[12:39] <ahasenack> hi, can someone please sponsor/upload this SRU? https://bugs.launchpad.net/landscape-client/+bug/1053057 I believe I subscribed the right teams
[12:42] <brendand> cjwatson, i believe mine is from pypi
[12:50] <doko> pitti, just noticing https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/test-rebuild-20120922/+build/3833224 ... 10h in the png optimizer :-/
[13:01] <smb> cjwatson, Is it possible that the 12.04 ubuntu-keyring package also needs to be updated to contain the new signing key? Seems I run into problems when trying to pull recent quantal netboot images into my provisioning server
[13:01] <cjwatson> yes and I opened a bug foro it
[13:01] <cjwatson> but the message you get should be harmless
[13:01] <smb> cjwatson, Well the script aborts in that case :/
[13:03]  * xnox mostly harmless =)
[13:03] <cjwatson> smb: -v
[13:03] <cjwatson> it was entirely harmless in my tests
[13:04] <smb> cobbler-ubuntu-import -u quantal-x86_64
[13:04] <smb> failed to verify MD5SUMS via /usr/share/keyrings/ubuntu-archive-keyring.gpg (http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/installer-amd64/current/images/MD5SUMS)
[13:04] <smb> I can fetch the key manually, though
[13:06] <smb> I guess I should change to use MaaS, too. But it is (was) working well enough to want to touch it
[13:09] <smb> cjwatson, Ok, manually added the keys gets me going for now
[13:09] <zul> doko: ping can you have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pyudev/+bug/1055482 (pyudev MIR)
[13:09] <cjwatson> smb: Hmm, apt has no problem
[13:10] <cjwatson> smb: I suspect (no surprise) a cobbler bug
[13:10] <cjwatson> smb: But yeah, I'll get going on that SRU today then
[13:12] <smb> cjwatson, Sort of hard relies on the keys to be there. Ok, thanks, should hopefully be a little risk change to have additional keys in that ring.
[13:12] <cjwatson> smb: The bug is that it isn't happy with just one of the multiple signatures being valid and the other one having a missing key
[13:12] <cjwatson> Sure, if it sees a single BADSIG it should kick it out, but one GOODSIG and one missing should be just fine
[13:13] <cjwatson> Which it should have
[13:16] <soren> IIRC, that script just relies on gpg to do the right thing. "gpg --verify --keyring=/path/to/ubuntu-archive-keryring.gpg [...]"
[13:16] <soren> fwiw
[13:18] <smb> soren, Yes, it looks like doing that...
[13:18] <cjwatson> You have to be pretty careful about parsing output then
[13:18] <soren> It relies on return code
[13:18] <soren> I think.
[13:18] <cjwatson> Yeah, but it needs to be cleverer
[13:19] <smb> soren, yes
[13:19] <smb> cjwatson, just did a quick test
[13:19] <cjwatson> Yes, so did I
[13:20] <cjwatson> You get return code 2, and detailed explanations on stdout of what's happening
[13:20] <cjwatson> But that doesn't mean cobbler isn't buggy :-)
[13:20] <smb> cjwatson, I would not dare to say that. :)
[13:20] <cjwatson> Anyway, we clearly have to SRU ubuntu-keyring in any event - this is just exposing previously-unnoticed bugs
[13:20] <cjwatson> I would
[13:21] <smb> I meant I would never say cobbler is not buggy
[13:21] <cjwatson> Hah
[13:21] <soren> To be fair, cobbler-ubuntu-import isn't a Cobbler thing. It's an Ubuntu addition.
[13:21] <xnox> cjwatson: SRU or -security, the latter seems better.
[13:21] <soren> Also, that does not mean cobbler isn't buggy :)
[13:22] <cjwatson> xnox: -security isn't up to me
[13:23] <doko> zul, done
[13:24] <doko> zul, what about yui3? I know you did downgrade these recommends to suggests for another package, but maybe that's not the best thing as these pop up again
[13:25] <zul> doko: what about yui3?
[13:25] <doko> zul: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
[13:26] <doko> zul: and a MIR for python-babel is missing
[13:26] <zul> doko:  yeah i dropped python-babel for nova its pending right now
[13:27] <zul> doko: javascript-common has nothing to do with me
[13:28] <doko> zul: and yui3? or would that be desktop?
[13:28] <Daviey> doko: that is a MAAS thing.  It is us.
[13:28] <doko> mterry, didrocks: ^^^
[13:28] <doko> ahh, ok
[13:28] <Daviey> (not zul, but yes, server)
[13:28] <zul> doko/Daviey: ah
[13:28] <doko> better call it mess ...
[13:29] <ogra_> mess on aargh64 in R ?
[13:29] <Daviey> doko: You've managed to bring comedy to my otherwise sarcasm less Monday.
[13:32] <Laney> doko: collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
[13:32] <Laney> libtool: install: error: relink `libwebkitgtk-1.0.la' with the above command before installing it
[13:32] <zul> doko:  wait you just duplicated the pyudev MIR?
[13:32] <doko> zul, no, just made it a duplicate
[13:33] <doko> Laney, just to double check, there's no -g overwriting -gstable on the command line for the build of the object files?
[13:33] <zul> doko: ah you are going to promote it right? :)
[13:33] <doko> zul: as I did say. it's done :)
[13:34] <zul> doko: cool thanks
[13:35] <stokachu> stupid question,is verification-done-precise needed in order to have the job process it or is just verification-done all thats needed
[13:35] <Laney> doko: no, not that I can see
[13:35] <Laney> it's a different error anyhow
[13:36] <doko> ok
[13:36] <doko> Laney, could you try the link with -B/usr/lib/gold-ld/
[13:37] <smb> stokachu, If it was verification-needed-precise (or so) then it needs ...-done-precise to match it to that release (usually replace the needed by done in the tags)
[13:37] <stokachu> ah ok, so for future just mimick whatever the verification-needed* is
[13:38] <smb> yes
[13:39] <stokachu> and any idea how long it takes bug watcher to process those bugs?
[13:39] <didrocks> doko: ok, thanks for keeping us in touch :)
[13:54] <smb> stokachu, Not for generic packages. For the kernel I believe the bot runs every hour
[13:55] <stokachu> smb: ok thanks, according to one bug it seems to be longer than 12 hours
[13:56] <Laney> doko: looking more promising
[13:56] <Laney> oh, wait what
[13:57] <Laney> *exactly* when I said that it failed collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
[13:57] <doko> heh
[13:58]  * Laney gives both pieces back to seb128 :P
[13:58] <doko> Laney, ok, I'll look at it. first trying without the make patch, but using ulimit -s 16384
[13:59] <seb128> Laney, nah, you touched it, it's all yours :p
[14:18] <seb128> ev, hey
[14:19] <seb128> ev, is there known issue with e.u.c? I'm wondering why bug #1053670 is not showing up on the daily or monthly view seeing the list of duplicates from the retracers, whoopsie should at least have the same number and that should be enough to make it displayed on the main page
[14:42] <dholbach> chrisccoulson, micahg: do you think one of you could reply to https://twitter.com/lmukadam/statuses/249471182510882816?
[14:43] <fginther> infinity, ping
[14:43] <micahg> dholbach: I think I'll leave that to chrisccoulson
[14:43] <dholbach> ok cool
[14:43] <seb128> dholbach, what did they announce?
[14:44] <dholbach> seb128, I guess it's about thunderbird having less of a focus on new features
[14:45] <seb128> dholbach, is that something we can do something about?
[14:45]  * micahg doesn't think it should impact us at all
[14:45] <seb128> well, I don't even see what we can say or reply to that
[14:45] <seb128> "good for them?"
[14:45] <seb128> ;-)
[14:45] <dholbach> I just wanted somebody with more of an idea of what's going on to answer the question.
[14:45] <micahg> aside from most of the updates having less regression potential :)
[14:46] <dholbach> @ubuntudev catches all kinds of questions
[14:46] <udevbot> Error: "ubuntudev" is not a valid command.
[14:50]  * micahg isn't even on twitter
[14:54] <xnox> dholbach: wasn't there a blog post on ubuntu-planet after thunderbird announcement from jono or someone like that explain the FUD and effects on ubuntu?!
[14:55] <dholbach> I'm not quite sure
[14:55] <dholbach> ah, this one: http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/07/11/thunderbird-and-ubuntu/?
[14:56] <xnox> dholbach: yeap. gosh my memory is good =)
[14:56] <Daviey> doko: Hey, would you be able to look at python-tx-tftp please?
[14:57] <doko> Daviey, look at what?
[14:59] <Daviey> doko: your recent rebuild uncovered a rebuild-FTBFS.  I wondered if you had capacity to look at it?
[15:02] <doko> Daviey, not today, didrocks is on +1 maintenance too. maybe barry could look at this one too?
[15:03] <barry> Daviey: url?
[15:04] <Daviey> barry: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/test-rebuild-20120922/+build/3837059
[15:05] <Daviey> barry: I reproduced it... Not sure what would have introduced that... ideas?
[15:06] <barry> Daviey: it's pretty clearly a bug in the code causing the exception during error logging.  my guess is that the error being logged is not expected, otherwise upstream would have surely encountered that bug during the test suite.  unless of course one of our patches introduced the bug.  let me grab the package and take a look
[15:09] <infinity> fginther: G'morning.
[15:18] <fginther> infinity, I sent some private messages, please let me know if you didn't receive
[15:23] <sil2100> slangasek: hi!
[15:24] <sil2100> slangasek: we were able to verify all unity/nux/unity-2d related SRU bug fixes from the pending SRU task queue
[15:24] <sil2100> slangasek: all is green ;)
[15:24] <ogra_> sil2100, properly tested on arm ?
[15:25] <ogra_> :)
[15:25] <sil2100> ogra_: erm ;)
[15:25] <ogra_> and patches updated etc ...
[15:29] <Daviey> barry: it built when last uploaded, so something in the environment has changed.. not the package.
[15:30] <Laney> if only that meant it wasn't a bug in the package
[15:30] <barry> Daviey: doko thinks it may be a twisted update
[15:31] <Daviey> certainly possible :)
[15:31] <barry> Daviey: my suspicion is that, while the test failures are obvious bugs, they aren't the root cause.  i am going to fix the obvious bugs and try another local build.
[15:31]  * xnox twisted update or update to twisted package....
[15:32] <Daviey> barry: thanks
[15:46] <barry> Daviey, doko: well, maybe we got lucky with it.  fixing those obvious bugs fixes the ftbfs, and that's all we care about, right? :)
[15:46] <barry> anyway, i'll upload the fix
[15:54] <Daviey> barry: thanks muchly!!
[15:54]  * zyga has brief connection issues on the regular machine
[15:59] <hrw> doko: iptraf ftfbs fixed by new upload to Ubuntu. patch sent to Debian
[16:00] <hrw> shit. its main not universe
[16:01] <hrw> doko: http://people.linaro.org/~hrw/ubuntu/to-sponsor/ has fixed iptraf
[16:11] <sil2100> ogra_: we don't really have the tools to test unity 3d on arm ;(
[16:12] <sil2100> ogra_: but it builds!
[16:12] <hrw> sil2100: how do you test unity 3d on x86?
[16:12] <ogra_> sil2100, *every* team in the company has pandaboards, if you dont have any yet, please talk to your manager (which will likely have to ask rickspencer3 )
[16:13] <sil2100> hrw: we run it, we run autopilot on it, we run manual tests
[16:13] <ogra_> s/which/who/
[16:13] <sil2100> ogra_: popey !
[16:13] <sil2100> ^
[16:13] <ogra_> sil2100, beyond that you can ask QA for SRU test help
[16:14] <sil2100> ogra_: anyway, thanks for the reminder - when I'm doing typical desktop stuff, I tend to forget the important stuff
[16:14] <sil2100> Like arm!
[16:15] <ogra_> well, its just that someone has to fix it if its brokebn in the end ... the last times we did that it burned a lot of workhours
[16:16] <hrw> I would love to forget about pandaboard (and other cheap boards) existance ;)
[16:16] <ogra_> so pretty please test before uploading if any possible
[16:17] <popey> thanks ogra_
[16:18] <ogra_> hrw, any expesive boards that are better ?
[16:18] <xnox> hrw: actually pandaboards are not that cheap =) it's not like it's raspberry pi.
[16:18] <ogra_> lol
[16:18] <ogra_> you cant compare the two
[16:18] <hrw> xnox: I do not bother with <armv7a boards
[16:18] <ogra_> RPi is as powerful as the beaglebone
[16:18] <ogra_> and costs about the same
[16:19] <hrw> ogra_: problem is that no one wants to produce serious boards
[16:19] <ogra_> (but the bone is an open HW platform, RPi is completely closed)
[16:19] <hrw> ogra_: beaglebone >>>> r/pi ;D
[16:19] <ogra_> yeah
[16:19] <ogra_> but the hype factor is so much lower ;)
[16:20] <hrw> I have to write 2012 edition of 'whats wrong with those cheap developer boards'
[16:20] <hrw> s/developer// anyway
[16:20] <infinity> doko: Ouch, those test-rebuild results aren't comforting.
[16:20] <hrw> anyway so far I do not bother with <armv8a - things may change if popey will request me to care about armv7a again
[16:21] <popey> heh
[16:22] <smoser> anyone around familiar with initramfs?
[16:23] <ogra_> smoser, just ask ?
[16:23] <smoser> i'm looking at open-iscsi, which runs a module at local-top
[16:23] <smoser> init (http://paste.ubuntu.com/1224803/)
[16:23] <smoser> i dont see how it can assume that any modules have been loaded, and thus 'configure_networking' is going to have network devices to configure
[16:23] <smoser> (i know it seems to work for me, but i'm not sure i understand how)
[16:24] <hrw> popey: do not heh :) I am now working on aarch64 for most of my time
[16:24] <infinity> hrw: You forgot update-maintainer(1) on that uptraf upload.
[16:25] <infinity> hrw: (Fixing and sponsoring)
[16:25] <ogra_> smoser, udev should load the module
[16:26] <sarnold> smoser: line 237 runs load_modules, fwiw
[16:26] <hrw> infinity: ops, it was 3-4 iteration of change... one of them had it done ;)
[16:27] <ogra_> sarnold, that only loads from /etc/modules
[16:27] <smoser> sarnold, right. but that is after init-top ran
[16:27] <smoser> ogra_, is correct about udev
[16:27] <smoser> i suppose ther emust be some udevadm settle
[16:27] <smoser> somewhere.
[16:27] <ogra_> smoser, the open-iscsi script should have a PREREQ var at the top
[16:27] <smoser> it does not
[16:28] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1224813/
[16:28] <hrw> infinity: tomorrow I hope to find some time to take a look at other ftfbs entries
[16:28] <infinity> hrw: Cool, thanks.
[16:29] <smoser> so, the fact that udev is run at init-top was the bit  i was missing. but it would sure seem that modules should be loaded even before udev.
[16:30] <ogra_> smoser, then you are just lucky that udev ran before (if it actually lives in init-top too)
[16:30] <smoser> udev runs in init-top, openiscsi runs at local-top
[16:30] <smoser> but i think its still lucky
[16:30] <ogra_> no
[16:30] <ogra_> then its fine
[16:30] <smoser> where would a 'settle' be run?
[16:30] <ogra_> local-top runs after init
[16:30] <ogra_> in the udev script i think
[16:31] <smoser> i dont see it there.
[16:32] <ogra_> smoser, /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/functions
[16:33] <smoser> where do you tihnk that gets called from ?
[16:33] <smoser> just curious
[16:34] <hrw> infinity: for most of my foss life I was kind of Build Engineer ;)
[16:34] <infinity> hrw: Sounds familiar. ;)
[16:34] <ogra_> smoser, not from open-iscsi, but you could if you dont want to count on pure luck
[16:35] <ogra_> smoser, see the nfs scripts ...
[16:36] <smoser> right. so its luck.
[16:36] <smoser> realistically, configure_networking should do it.
[16:47] <Laney> barry: do you fancy forwarding the python-tx-tftp fix upstream?
[16:55] <barry> Laney: sure
[16:56] <Laney> cheers
[16:56] <tumbleweed> naughty barry? :)
[16:56] <Laney> Forwarded: no make laney sad
[16:57] <barry> mostly just timing :)
[17:07] <smoser> anyone know what creates the 'netdev' group ?
[17:08] <stgraber> smoser: at least avahi-daemon and wpasupplicant, likely some others
[17:09] <barry> Laney: https://github.com/shylent/python-tx-tftp/issues/8
[17:24] <cjwatson> smoser: user-setup used to, in feisty and gutsy
[17:26] <smoser> cjwatson, i was just trying to figure out why it was there. its been presnt in the cloud-images for all releases i've been involved with (came from vmbuilder and behavior was moved forward).
[17:26] <smoser> hanks.
[17:26] <Laney> barry: thanks muchly
[18:05] <micahg> trism: what's this npapi-sdk.pc you speak of?
[18:09] <trism> micahg: one of the checks in gecko-mediaplayer configure.in is for npapi-sdk (for https://wiki.mozilla.org/NPAPI I imagine), my thought was firefox-dev could just provide npapi-sdk instead of mozilla-plugin since it only has the npapi headers now
[18:09] <trism> micahg: and mozilla-plugin.pc includes stuff we don't have in firefox-dev anymore (like /usr/lib/firefox-devel)
[18:09] <micahg> trism: that would be nice, but it doesn't exist in mozilla-central AFAICT
[18:10] <micahg> mozilla-plugin.pc just includes paths
[18:10] <trism> micahg: yeah it was just a thought, the workaround in gecko-mediaplayer should be fine
[18:10] <trism> micahg: yes paths that don't exist
[18:15] <micahg> trism: both of those directories exist on my sytem
[18:15] <micahg> *sysyem
[18:15] <micahg> *system
[18:15] <trism> micahg: precise? because /usr/lib/firefox-devel isn't in quantal
[18:15] <micahg> ah, right
[18:16] <micahg> yeah, that's a bug
[18:16] <micahg> oops, need to install the package first...
[18:18] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ^^ shouldn't we patch sdkdir out of the mozilla-plugin.pc file since we're not providing it?
[19:04] <SpamapS> hallyn: having trouble with lxc on quantal.. I see a lot of this..
[19:04] <SpamapS> [19878.384552] unregister_netdevice: waiting for lo to become free. Usage count = 1
[19:04] <SpamapS> stgraber: ^^
[19:05] <stgraber> yep, it's known, it's the second time you're affected btw, I already got you to comment on the bug last time ;)
[19:05] <SpamapS> Yes I recall
[19:05] <SpamapS> just wasn't SURE it was the same thing
[19:06] <SpamapS> stgraber: upstream is fixed right? so its just a matter of figuring out how and backporting?
[19:06] <stgraber> ogasawara: any progress on that one? ^ I'm really not looking forward to releasing with that regression
[19:06] <SpamapS> its pretty serious for the juju local dev story :(
[19:06] <stgraber> SpamapS: upstream is apparently fixed (that or the kernel was somehow different) but nobody figured out what to cherrypick yet
[19:06] <stgraber> SpamapS: the kernel team is supposedly on it but doesn't seem to be making a lot of progress lately (based on the comments)
[19:07] <ogasawara> stgraber: I've pinged cooloney for a status update today
[19:07] <stgraber> ogasawara: ok, thanks
[19:07] <ogasawara> stgraber: I won't be fixed for Beta-2, but I want it figured out by kernel freeze.
[19:08] <ogasawara> s/I/It/
[19:08] <stgraber> ogasawara: yeah, wasn't expecting it to be fixed for beta-2 but it's not something I'd like to see miss the release. We had to go through something similar last time with some apparmor issues and I'm still getting e-mails from people running a buggy kernel (original 12.04 release kernel)
[19:09] <stgraber> (apparently you can't assume that people apply updates on their machine...)
[19:11] <hallyn> ogasawara: i don't want to step on coolonely's toes, but if he's short on time should i be changing some other priorities to look into that one (netns refcount bug)?
[19:11] <SpamapS> stgraber: kernels are especially prone to that because some people reboot so seldom.
[19:12] <SpamapS> the bad part about this one is that once it happens, lxc just seems hosed
[19:12] <ogasawara> hallyn: I'll be pulling in smb as backup if cooloney hasn't already got the fix isolated.  I should hear more by morning.
[19:12] <SpamapS> have to reboot :-P
[19:13] <SpamapS> root     29866  0.0  0.0  27532  1028 ?        Ds   12:01   0:00 lxc-start --daemon -n clint-local-ci-u2-0 -l DEBUG -o /home/clint/.juju/data/clint-loc
[19:13] <SpamapS> lxc-starts just go into diskwait (presumably on some cgroup operation)
[19:13] <hallyn> ogasawara: great, thanks
[19:30] <jP_wanN> hello :)
[19:30] <jP_wanN> I recently found a bug in gtkmm ( at least I think so :D ). For which package do I create a bug report?
[19:30] <jP_wanN> libgtkmm-3.0-dev or libgtkmm-3.0.1
[19:32] <sarnold> jP_wanN1: the -dev is really there for compiling other packages against libgtkmm; if you found the problem that way, then the -dev would make more sense to me, lacking any further direction...
[19:34] <jP_wanN1> sarnold: no, I've got a problem using gtkmm in a program I'm programming. so i should file a bug for libgtkmm-3.0.1 ?
[19:35] <jP_wanN1> by the way, why did thunderbird add a "1" to my nick / how to change that? some time before, the authorization worked fine.
[19:35] <sarnold> jP_wanN1: I'd probably file against the -dev package. (Since it's liable to be the same source package in the end, it might not even matter)
[19:35] <jP_wanN1> okay thanks
[19:35] <jP_wanN1> i'll try to reconnect now ^^
[19:44] <jP_wanN> okay now I searched to avoid filing a duplicate of an existing bug
[19:44] <jP_wanN> seems I should have done that before :D
[19:45] <jP_wanN> now that bug report is for gtkmm 2.4 (ubuntu 7.10)
[19:46] <jP_wanN> it's marked as incomplete
[19:46] <jP_wanN> should i file a new bug?
[19:48] <sarnold> jP_wanN: hah, good question :) that's an _old_ bug for a distro that's probably long unsupported...
[19:49] <cjwatson> bugs don't in general go away when the release they were filed on stops being supported ...
[19:50] <jP_wanN> sarnold: Yes I know, Ubuntu 7.10 is quite old :D I'll just open another bug and add a link to the other one I've found.
[19:50] <cjwatson> (http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ucgi/~cjwatson/blosxom/ubuntu/2009-02-27-bug-triage-rants.html)
[19:51] <sarnold> thanks cjwatson :)
[19:51] <jP_wanN> cjwatson: I also found out that there was some issue like this (_could_ be the same) that was (should have been) fixed with gtkmm 2.8
[19:51] <stgraber> cjwatson: it's been a while since I last saw you point to that link ;)
[19:51] <jP_wanN> btw, here is the bug report i dounf https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtkmm2.4/+bug/30345
[19:59] <jP_wanN> so here is the new bug report if anyone cares ^^
[19:59] <jP_wanN> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtkmm3.0/+bug/1055744
[20:00] <jP_wanN> now, can somebody tell me how I can (try to) debug gtkmm myself? :)
[20:04] <jP_wanN> I've already read and completed the tutorial
[20:04] <jP_wanN> http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/getting-set-up.html
[20:06] <seb128> cyphermox, still around? if you see robert_ancell around later could one of you reupload evolution to quantal-proposed with a build-depends on libgtkhtml4.... > 3.6? the current version built with 3.5 and the shlibs in gtkhtml4 is using a >> << that breaks installability
[20:06] <cyphermox> oops
[20:06] <cyphermox> sure
[20:07] <cyphermox> I wish I could fix the webkit plugin stuff first, then it would be fixing two bugs with one stone
[20:08] <bkerensa> seb128: what day of week are patch pilots done?
[20:08] <seb128> bkerensa<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:09] <bkerensa> seb128:  grazi
[20:09] <seb128> yw ;-)
[20:12] <seb128> cyphermox, thanks
[21:44] <james_w> any ideas as to why a build in sbuild wouldn't have a debian dir?
[21:47] <james_w> no, that's not it
[21:47] <james_w> make: dpkg-architecture: command not found
[21:48] <mlankhorst> needs dpkg-dev?
[21:48] <james_w> mlankhorst, I'm pretty sure it's installed
[21:51] <mwhudson> james_w: architecture mismatch?
[21:51] <james_w> mwhudson, possibly
[21:52] <james_w> mwhudson, I'm not sure how though, as I'm not seeing it outside the chroot
[21:52] <mwhudson> just because that can lead to arbitrarily confusing error messages ime
[21:52] <mlankhorst> oh right
[21:52] <james_w> I'm starting to think that message doesn't mean "dpkg-architecture command not found"
[21:52] <mlankhorst> try to ldd it? maybe one of the libraries it depends on is missing
[21:52] <mwhudson> james_w: as in running $chroot/usr/bin/dpkg-architecture works?
[21:53] <james_w> mwhudson, as in "dpkg-architecture" works, but "$(shell dpkg-architecture)" in debian/rules doesn't
[21:53] <james_w> just on my base system
[21:53] <mwhudson> oh
[21:58] <slangasek> james_w: that error /should/ mean that the dpkg-architecture command isn't found.  $PATH issue?
[21:58] <slangasek> (strace to debug?)
[21:58] <james_w> oh
[21:58] <james_w> /usr/bin/dpkg−architecture
[21:59] <slangasek> hahaha
[21:59]  * slangasek waves at the emdash
[21:59] <mwhudson> lol
[21:59] <mwhudson> how did you do _that_?
[21:59] <sarnold> cjwatson: re: bug triage, you mention, "Check whether the package is being actively worked on." -- what's the best way to tell if a package is actively being worked on? MOTU vs a developer name in apt-cache output?
[22:00] <james_w> mwhudson, copied from a web page
[22:00] <cjwatson> sarnold: changelog is a reasonable guide
[22:00] <sarnold> cjwatson: say, if it shows more than just "import from debian" entries?
[22:02] <cjwatson> That's one option, though sometimes that means a REALLY active Ubuntu developer who's just also active enough in Debian to push everything there.
[22:02] <cjwatson> You do have to use judgement.
[22:02] <sarnold> cjwatson: aha. :) good point. Thanks!
[22:07] <lamont> why is it that when I lock my screen and go away and come back, I'm thankful that I told it to let ctl-alt-backspace kill X, since I can't get the opportunity to type in my password and unlock the screen?
[22:12] <sarnold> lamont: I wonder if you've hit https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1054198 or similar bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/966744  (probably too polluted)
[22:12] <doko> cjwatson, is the regexp syntax in the seeds regexp or extended regexp?
[22:14] <lamont> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 18)
[22:14] <lamont> sarnold: ^^
[22:14] <lamont> I get a black screen, and a mouse cursor
[22:14] <lamont> s/mouse//
[22:14] <sarnold> lamont: we may have a winner :)
[22:15] <lamont>         Kernel driver in use: i915
[22:19] <cjwatson> doko: python re
[22:19] <cjwatson> doko: which is closer to extended iirc


 Individual clients must restart if they die. Can upstart handle something like this?
[17:33] <Necrosan> If so, how should I be executing it? A for loop or something within my upstart script or do I need to make an actual intelligent script to do the monitoring of processes?
[17:33] <Necrosan> (Which I guess would negate the purpose of upstart entirely)
[18:39] <Necrosan> figured it out w/ the worker/workers model setup. pretty slick
[20:46] <AnrDaemon> Necrosan: You can write two jobs. One master (stater), one the actual worker that runs the binary.
[20:46] <Necrosan> yeah, that's what I ended up doing
[20:46] <Necrosan> worked a treat
[20:46] <AnrDaemon> It's actually in the cookbook, I just don't have it on hand right now.
[20:47] <Necrosan> I think I might have stumbled upon it after I had already did it.
[20:47] <Necrosan> Helps to scroll down all the way ;)
[20:47] <AnrDaemon> :D
[20:48] <AnrDaemon> After a number of situations like that, I got a habit of reading the manuals at least diagonally before using something new.
[20:49] <AnrDaemon> Helps get to know the available features. Even if you are not going to use them right now, it somehow gets stuck in the back of your head, and pop when you stubble upon new requirements.
[20:49] <Necrosan> ye
[20:49] <Necrosan> Writing C mostly, was a nice break 8-)
[20:50] <Necrosan> (same problems there re: manuals, but you usually don't notice them until you experience undefined behavior)
[20:51] <AnrDaemon> Undefined? More like unexpected.
[20:52] <Necrosan> Ya, prob the more appropriate word


[02:58] <JCDG> hello, I'm new at the bugsquad, and I want to know where can I beging to help? or how? which ones are the first steps?..
[03:15] <jmarsden> JCDG: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/GettingInvolved
[05:59] <CarlFK> http://dpaste.com/96123/ segfault in linux/x86_64/clone.S ?  i'm not a gdb expert.  what package should be bugged?
[06:01] <lifeless> I'd start with melt
[06:26] <CarlFK> melt it is.  thanks
[07:21] <dholbach> good morning
[07:37] <^arky^> Darn! Anyone got a clue: my computer fails to find ./lib/cryptdisks/cryptdisks.functions and refuses to boot
[07:38] <micahg> ^arky^: karmic?
[07:38] <^arky^> yes micahg
[07:38] <micahg> ^arky^: I'd say check in #ubuntu+1
[09:05] <matti> Morning.
[09:27] <matti> Hi dholbach
[09:29] <dholbach> hi matti
[15:30] <indus> hi
[15:47] <bddebian> Boo
[16:36]  * dholbach hugs thekorn
[16:36] <thekorn> ME ?!
[16:36]  * thekorn hugs dholbach back
[16:37] <dholbach> :-)
[16:37] <dholbach> you seem to have noticed the new person on the Hall of Fame very quickly :)
[16:38] <thekorn> dholbach, hehe, and you seem to be subscribed to the "thank davmor2" link
[16:38]  * thekorn hugs davmor2 too
[16:38] <dholbach> I was just having a look to see if everything works as expected :)
[16:39] <thekorn> dholbach, nice "how to report bugs" screencast btw
[16:39] <dholbach> thekorn: popey helped me with it
[16:39] <dholbach> once I had a script that did it all for me it was easy
[16:40]  * davmor2 goes redder than when ara mentioned it on #ubuntu-testing
[16:40] <davmor2> Thanks guys
[16:40] <dholbach> :-)
[16:40]  * dholbach hugs davmor2
[16:40] <dholbach> you're a rockstar!
[16:41] <davmor2> dholbach: what just ever-so insane :D
[16:41] <davmor2> thanks
[16:41] <rockstar> dholbach, no, I'm a rockstar.
[16:41] <dholbach> rockstar: sure you are :)
[16:42] <thekorn> aren't we all rockstars ;)
[16:42] <dholbach> rockstar: shall I refill your bowl in your trailer with M&Ms? (I know... not the blue ones)
[16:43] <rockstar> dholbach, :)
[18:36] <bdmurray> hggdh: I forget were you organizing bug day this week?
[18:37] <hggdh> bdmurray: no, not to my knowledge
[18:37] <hggdh> but, then, perhaps we should not worry... see http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/09/oh_no_warning_alert_alert_aler.php?utm_source=combinedfeed&utm_medium=rss
[18:38] <hggdh> :-)
[18:42] <bdmurray> I should ask somebody in a timezone a head of us if the world ended
[18:42] <bdmurray> ;-)
[18:42] <hggdh> LOL
[18:42] <hggdh> well, it is already a new year, Jewish-wise
[18:43] <micahg> hi hggdh :)
[18:44] <hggdh> hi micahg, I was wondering if you would here
[18:44] <hggdh> happy new year, sir
[18:44] <micahg> thank you :)
[18:47] <thekorn> bdmurray, I'm going to prganize this weeks bug day
[18:47] <thekorn> I think I will prepare the wiki page today
[18:47] <thekorn> and send tzhe email tomorrow
[18:48] <bdmurray> thekorn: great thanks! let me know so I can let the u-d-a e-mail through
[18:49] <thekorn> ok
[18:50] <thekorn> I hope it's all in time
[18:50] <atrus> launchpad.net has been returning errors for me ALOT for the past several week or so. known issues?
[18:51] <hggdh> atrus, the best place to ask about LP itself is on #launchpad
[18:51] <thekorn> atrus, best to check with people in #launchpad directly
[18:52] <atrus> ah. i thought the error page used to mention a channel like that, but nothing came up last time :)
[19:32] <matti> ;]
[20:25] <hggdh> anyone has the lp_karma_suffix GM script still working on edge?
[20:25] <hggdh> bdmurray: please have a look at bug 430953 -- is this OK with you?
[20:25] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 430953 in coreutils "coreutils man pages are incomplete" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/430953
[20:26] <micahg> hggdh: nope
[20:27] <bdmurray> hggdh: no, kees is looking at it right now though
[20:27] <hggdh> K. I was getting a 404 on @@+portlet-details, wondered about it
[20:28] <bdmurray> yep, the karma looking up was failing
[20:28] <bdmurray> hggdh: that seems fine thanks!
[20:33] <danage> anyone here working on home folder encryption? i have a serious bug to report but dunno how to fetch the necessary information and which pakage to attach it to
[20:36] <bdmurray> the package is ecryptfs you might check in #ubuntu-server for more info
[20:37] <hggdh> brb
[20:38] <bdmurray> er, ecryptfs-utils
[20:40] <danage> bdmurray: thanks brian, i already cross-posted in #ubuntu-devel :)
[20:40] <bdmurray> cool, kirkland is likely the right person
[20:41] <danage> thats what i figgered... i already checked launchpad for a similar bug report but found none, so i'd like to ask what kind of info to provide before filing
[20:42] <jcastro> hey bdmurray, how is the report a bug redirect stuff going?
[20:44] <bdmurray> well, since its only on edge there hasn't been a significant change in anything
[21:51]  * BUGabundo waves o/
[21:52] <hggdh> \o (left-handed)
[21:52]  * Asdquefty waves o/
[21:53]  * hggdh goes crazy *o*
[21:53] <Asdquefty> O_o
[21:55]  * BUGabundo runssssss
[21:55] <BUGabundo> this # is to high on non legal substences
[21:55] <Asdquefty> this #?
[22:13] <greg-g> Adri2000: '#' is short hand for 'channel' as every channel starts with a #
[22:14] <Asdquefty> greg-g: thanks
[22:15] <BUGabundo> oops
[22:15] <BUGabundo> didn't get that was the question :)
[22:16] <hggdh> what question? :-)
[22:16] <Asdquefty> maybe this # is high :p
[23:14] <bdmurray> there is a new firefox-lp-improvements available for whoever is interested
[23:14] <micahg> o/
[23:17] <BUGabundo> great bdmurray
[23:17] <BUGabundo> does it fix the bad trace I had with firefox 3.7 ?
[23:18] <bdmurray> I have not heard of this bad trace
[23:26] <BUGabundo> bdmurray: I posted it a few days ago on #ubuntu-mozillateam
[23:26] <BUGabundo> I should easilly reproduce it :)


[23:18] <WastePotato> Wee.
[23:36] <bodhi_zazen> FYI If you would like I am going to run a shared ssh session to demo apparmor
[23:36] <bodhi_zazen> Please do not try to connect to the server as it is not set up yet and you will be blacklisted if you make too many attempts
[23:37] <bodhi_zazen> http://paste.ubuntu.com/133993/
[23:37] <bodhi_zazen> I have asked anyone in the beginners team to assist with ssh in a private message if you are having problmes connecting please ask
[23:37] <WastePotato> Apparmor? What's that? >_>
[23:38] <bodhi_zazen> I will give the passphrase soon
[23:38] <bodhi_zazen> he he he ... watch ;)
[23:38] <Halow> Do we need anything in particular? I know  completely nothing about SSH.
[23:38] <Snova> No. Those instructions will do.
[23:39] <bodhi_zazen> Halow: you on windows or linux ?
[23:39] <bodhi_zazen> If on linux, go ahead and get the key
[23:39] <Halow> Currently testing Jaunty, actually. :)
[23:39] <Snova> If you can run 'ssh', it'll work. :)
[23:39] <bodhi_zazen> you run ssh in a terminal
[23:39] <Halow> ...key?
[23:39] <bodhi_zazen> Halow: http://paste.ubuntu.com/133993/
[23:39] <Halow> Oh, OK.
[23:40] <jimi_hendrix> bah people talk slower...too many channels with people talking!
[23:41] <bodhi_zazen> This will be primarily a Q @ A session, so I will ask for questions at the beginning and try to answer as many as I can
[23:41] <jimi_hendrix> bodhi_zazen, can i start asking now?
[23:45] <bodhi_zazen> jimi_hendrix: not yet, lol
[23:45] <bodhi_zazen> OK the shared session is up
[23:45] <bodhi_zazen> you can ssh into it with
[23:46] <bodhi_zazen> ssh bodhizazen.net -i ~/.ssh/ufbt-guest
[23:46] <bodhi_zazen> passphrase = padawan
[23:46] <bodhi_zazen> this is voyeurism, so you can watch but not enter commands :p
[23:47] <bodhi_zazen> If anyone needs help connecting , this is a good time to ask
[23:47] <bodhi_zazen> he he he ...
[23:47] <jimi_hendrix> is there a way to talk with people through ssh?
[23:47] <bodhi_zazen> I will disable that flash now
[23:47] <bodhi_zazen> yes jimi
[23:47] <bodhi_zazen> control-a wall "message"
[23:48] <bodhi_zazen> C-A == Control +a
[23:49] <bodhi_zazen> C-a:wall "message"
[23:49] <Halow> OK, I'm apparently having trouble connecting.
[23:49] <Halow> Should it prompt me for the passphrase?
[23:49] <WastePotato> I'm in. Haxxx.
[23:49] <jimi_hendrix> bodhi_zazen, zomg
[23:49] <jimi_hendrix> but i cant use that cause i am a guest right
[23:49] <Snova> Nope.
[23:50] <jimi_hendrix> Halow, its padawan
[23:50] <Snova> Halow: How far did you get? Did you download the key?
[23:50] <Snova> Halow: Oh, and yes.
[23:50] <Halow> And I was blacklisted? Irk... Only made one attempt.
[23:50] <bodhi_zazen> yes jimi_hendrix you can use that
[23:50] <bodhi_zazen> check it out
[23:50] <Halow> I got the key.
[23:50] <bodhi_zazen> C-a:wall "message"
[23:51] <Nano_ext3> how far we into it?
[23:51] <WastePotato> I hear lots of beeping, and it's not from me. >_<
[23:51] <jimi_hendrix> bodhi_zazen, it yells at me saying i am a guest
[23:51] <jimi_hendrix> i hit ctrl + a
[23:51] <jimi_hendrix> then i hit w
[23:51] <jimi_hendrix> and it yells at me
[23:51] <bodhi_zazen> he he heh WastePotato
[23:51] <Rocket2DMn> i didnt realize the session was in here, sorry
[23:51] <bodhi_zazen> yea , I changed the bell to beep
[23:51] <bodhi_zazen> people are trying to hack the system
[23:52] <bodhi_zazen> C-a:wall "message"
[23:52] <Halow> I don't think I'm doing this right.
[23:52] <Rocket2DMn> are we able to login to bodhizazen.net yet?
[23:52] <bodhi_zazen> syntax is very specific
[23:52] <bodhi_zazen> yes Rocket
[23:52] <Rocket2DMn> passphrase?
[23:52] <Snova> padawan
[23:52] <jimi_hendrix> bodhi_zazen, it says colen permision denied
[23:52] <Rocket2DMn> thanks
[23:53] <Halow> bodhi_zazen: I'm getting the error "Permission denied (publickey)."
[23:54] <bodhi_zazen> Halow: you need to download the key
[23:54] <bodhi_zazen> http://paste.ubuntu.com/133993/
[23:54] <Halow> I did.
[23:54] <Nano_ext3> Halow: http://paste.ubuntu.com/133993/
[23:54] <bodhi_zazen> what command did you use to ssh in ?
[23:54] <Nano_ext3> follow exactly
[23:55] <bodhi_zazen> ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-i ~/.ssh/ufbt-guest
[23:55] <Halow> Aha. I didn't have the guest@ in front of the domain. *blush* Sorry.
[23:55] <bodhi_zazen> 5 minutes
[23:55] <bodhi_zazen> passphrase = padawan
[23:55] <Halow> Alright. I have it now. Thank you.
[23:56] <bodhi_zazen> Is wall working now ?
[23:56] <bodhi_zazen> can someone test it ?
[23:56] <rraj_be> i am in Nano_ext3
[23:56] <Nano_ext3> ? didnt come in right away @.@
[23:56] <bodhi_zazen> Hit the control-a
[23:57] <bodhi_zazen> then ;
[23:57] <bodhi_zazen> then wall "message"
[23:57] <rraj_be> i have just joined irc asusuall Nano_ext3
[23:57] <bodhi_zazen> you need the message in "quotes"
[23:57] <bodhi_zazen> w00t :()
[23:57] <Nano_ext3> how do i write?
[23:57] <bodhi_zazen> Rocket2DMn: message in "quotes"
[23:58] <Nano_ext3> permission denied for guest :( lol
[23:58] <bodhi_zazen> c-a:wall "message"
[23:58] <Rocket2DMn> is it supposed to record it somewhere?
[23:58] <bodhi_zazen> lol
[23:58] <Snova> Is it just me, or can we interfere with each other's :wall's?
[23:58] <bodhi_zazen> Rocket everyone should see your message, I did
[23:59] <Rocket2DMn> i see the whole phrase
[23:59] <Rocket2DMn> for everybody, including the :wall part
[23:59] <Nano_ext3> i can ttype when others are?
[23:59] <Nano_ext3> or no
[23:59] <bodhi_zazen> only when they type Rocket2DMn
[23:59] <bodhi_zazen> then we see just the message
[23:59] <Rocket2DMn> i dont see the message except when they are typing it out...