[00:00] <Lord-Kamina> I see.
[00:00] <Lord-Kamina> Do I need to do anything special to authenticate when doing something on my ppas?
[00:36] <Lord-Kamina> cjwatson, remove-package works nicely but it's definitely got some kinks. Like, if it doesn't find a particular binary, it just exits.
[00:54] <Lord-Kamina> Also, this might not be a bug but if you specify debug symbols or 32-bit/64-bit versions of a lib, it says it cannot find them, even if they are listed in the packages produced by that source.
[07:49] <cjwatson> Lord-Kamina: Yeah, it's not really user-facing so hasn't had that sort of kink worked out.
[10:02] <vila> Hello there !
[10:03] <vila> The git backend seems to have issues scanning branches (I get
[10:03] <vila> Updating repository...
[10:03] <vila> Launchpad is processing new changes to this repository which will be available shortly. Reload to see the changes.
[10:03] <vila> ) Is this a known issue ? (It was working fine yesterday)
[10:03] <vila> https://code.launchpad.net/~vila/byoci-test-project/+git/target-6405 for example
[10:12] <cjwatson> Yes, known, https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1783315
[10:12] <cjwatson> It'll get there but will be backlogged; I've asked for a restart of the celery process to stop the bleeding for now
[10:14] <vila> cjwatson: ack, subscribed. Will be patient. Have a nice day !
[10:14] <cjwatson> you too :)
[14:31] <Lord-Kamina> Also cjwatson, according to the cli yesterday, I deleted somewhere around 400 packages; it took several hours for the used space to actually go down, and even when it did...
[14:31] <Lord-Kamina> https://launchpad.net/~litenstein/+archive/ubuntu/toolchain/+packages I'm not sure it actually deleted anything XD
[14:32] <cjwatson> Quota use is only updated a few times a day; and that figure is certainly well below what it was when I looked at it yesterday.
[14:33] <cjwatson> The excess builds are still listed in the webapp, but you'll see that they're no longer published in e.g. http://ppa.launchpad.net/litenstein/toolchain/ubuntu/pool/main/c/cloog/
[14:34] <Lord-Kamina> I see.
[14:35] <Lord-Kamina> I tried clicking on one yesterday (in the webapp), thought I'd get a 404 or something.
[14:36] <Lord-Kamina> But maybe it linked to the original repo instead?
[14:41] <cjwatson> It linked to the file in the librarian, which isn't scoped to the repo
[14:41] <cjwatson> When you copy packages around with the "copy existing binaries" flag, you just get a new reference to the existing file in the librarian, not a copy of it
[14:41] <cjwatson> So the link is still good
[14:50] <Lord-Kamina> I see.
[14:51] <Lord-Kamina> What happens if you copy existing binaries and then the original creator deletes them? They still exist as long as there is at least one reference?
[14:51] <cjwatson> Yes
[15:04] <Lord-Kamina> Is it safe to remove build-time dependencies from a ppa after binaries have been built, if there's something that could replace them in the same ppa?
[15:04] <cjwatson> Yes
[15:53] <Lord-Kamina> What happens if I copy binaries from one repository to another and select a different series?
[15:53] <cjwatson> Then they'll be published in that series and it's up to you to make sure they're actually installable there
[16:00] <Lord-Kamina> I see. I'm wondering if that might help an issue I'm having with porting debhelper.
[16:00] <Lord-Kamina> I'll try more traditional means first of course.
[17:03] <Lord-Kamina> Anybody know why this could be happening? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/380024964/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.dh-autoreconf_17ppa-xenial1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[17:04] <Lord-Kamina> debhelper 11.3.2 appears to have been built and installed correctly, but for some reason it won't handle compatibility levels > 10.
[17:06] <teward> Lord-Kamina: that looks like the debhelper version string is set to 11
[17:07] <teward> i had that issue when I was working on a backport in a PPA
[17:07] <teward> check the debian/compat version number?
[17:07] <cjwatson> Oh wow, pkgbinarymangler does some weird stuff
[17:07] <cjwatson> teward is on the wrong track I'm afraid
[17:07] <cjwatson> This is much stranger
[17:07] <teward> ah i'm wrong then :)
[17:07] <teward> cjwatson: that said, the error message is unclear if that's the case
[17:08] <cjwatson> I'm clear on what the cause is
[17:08] <cjwatson> Just investigating the right fix
[17:08] <teward> no i meant in general
[17:09] <cjwatson> Right, so basically, pkgbinarymangler is used on buildds for various odd purposes, and it copies a bit of debhelper into itself at build time
[17:09] <cjwatson> So when you backport a version of debhelper with a new maximum compat level, you need to rebuild pkgbinarymangler against the new debhelper package
[17:10] <cjwatson> A no-change rebuild should do - just download the version of pkgbinarymangler from trusty, append "ppa1" or so to its version, and upload that
[17:10] <cjwatson> Strange gotcha, but most people don't do major backports of debhelper :)
[17:23] <Lord-Kamina> Hahaha I see.
[18:03] <Lord-Kamina> https://launchpad.net/~litenstein/+archive/ubuntu/debhelper11-3-2-xenial/+packages there we go.
[18:03] <Lord-Kamina> Thanks cjwatson.
[20:55] <Lord-Kamina> Great. There's a circular dependency issue in the package I'm trying to port now
[20:56] <nacc> Lord-Kamina: sometimes you have to do bootstrapping in that case
[20:56] <nacc> Lord-Kamina: e.g., build a version without that support that's circular, upload it, build the other package dependenent on the first, then reupload the second with the functionality replaced
[20:56] <Lord-Kamina> I don't really know how to do that.
[20:57] <Lord-Kamina> Although I did find a bug-report for it under some debian mailing list.
[20:57] <nacc> Lord-Kamina: i do wonder what you're doing that is putting you in such a ppa nightmare
[20:57] <Lord-Kamina> Ah yeah ok, I see, I didn't know THAT was called bootstrapping.
[20:57] <Lord-Kamina> The end-game is getting libicu60 in xenial (and eventually trusty)
[20:58] <Lord-Kamina> If the circular deps are actually a bug, I'm gonna look at a previous version of the library, compare the dependencies and mimic that structure.
[20:59] <Lord-Kamina> I think I might have found the issue.
[21:18] <Lord-Kamina> Is there a way to make dh_install not die if it can't find a file?
[21:20] <nacc> Lord-Kamina: --list-missing, maybe?
[21:33] <Lord-Kamina> Seems like that will do the trick, thanks.
[21:33] <Lord-Kamina> I'm following some debian threads.
[21:33] <Lord-Kamina> And it seems like it's an issue for them as well.
[21:35] <Lord-Kamina> There's a circular dependency issue because icu deprecated and removed a part of the engine, but kept some code that depended on it around for some reason. Then somebody made a library out of that removed code, and eventually abandoned it.
[21:35] <Lord-Kamina> And up-to-what-I've-read, it seems most everybody agrees the best solution for now is bootstrapping like you said.
[21:39] <Lord-Kamina> Is it possible to use --list-missing with dh_auto_install?
[21:44] <nacc> Lord-Kamina: well, sure just pass it after -- ?
[21:44] <nacc> Lord-Kamina: or override it and do it yourself
[21:46] <Lord-Kamina> As you can probably tell, I'm sorta new at this.
[21:46] <Lord-Kamina> :P
[21:46] <Lord-Kamina> Going out for some coffee, will try it when I get back.
[23:13] <nacc> Lord-Kamina: yeah, just seems like a helluva lot of work for someone "new" :)


[08:06] <kim0> Morning o/
[08:07] <nigelb> /o/
[08:07] <nigelb> \o\
[08:07] <nigelb> |o|
[08:12] <kim0> hehe :)
[08:12] <kim0> what's that supposed to be :)
[08:12] <nigelb> not sure
[08:12] <nigelb> I think it means I'm bored to death.
[08:12] <kim0> why man!
[08:14] <nigelb> meh
[09:25] <daker> good morning
[09:25] <nigelb> Morning daker
[09:26] <kim0> daker: o/
[11:56] <duanedesign> 'lo all
[11:56] <czajkowski> duanedesign: hey!!
[12:06] <duanedesign> hello friend
[12:25] <kim0> hey
[12:39] <czajkowski> kim0: duanedesign good christmas ?
[12:40] <kim0> czajkowski: yep .. love this time of the year :)
[12:40] <duanedesign> czajkowski: yes. I got a couple of months of NetFlix. I am halfway through my first movie :)
[12:41] <czajkowski> kim0: you mena the lull of quietness when you cna get work done in peace :p
[12:41] <czajkowski> duanedesign: yay
[12:42] <kim0> hehe :) quiteness can sometimes be good indeed
[12:42] <czajkowski> indeed
[12:43] <czajkowski> trying to work on a doc here as someone needs it for tomorrow when the arangement was Jan 6th
[12:43] <czajkowski> so unmotivated
[14:58] <duanedesign> nigelb: i see User Days is coming up...
[14:59] <duanedesign> nigelb: i am looking, is there a list of sessions yet?
[15:36] <nigelb> duanedesign: not yet
[15:36] <nigelb> duanedesign: we're recruiting
[15:36] <nigelb> duanedesign: want to take a session?
[15:37] <nigelb> paultag: poke?
[15:40] <duanedesign> nigelb: yes I was considering just that
[15:40] <nigelb> duanedesign: \o/
[15:41] <nigelb> duanedesign: go for it :)
[15:42] <duanedesign> nigelb: what is the 'theme' for sessions on User Days. Desktop related stuff for average user?
[15:42] <nigelb> duanedesign: average user/beginneruser --> whatever he/she might want toknow
[15:43] <duanedesign> thank you
[15:43] <duanedesign> ill brew up a topic >:)
[15:43] <duanedesign> mwahaha
[15:44] <nigelb> heh
[15:44] <duanedesign> ugh. Test Drive is not cooperating?
[15:45] <duanedesign> dont know why i put a question mark at the end of that :P
[15:47] <czajkowski> nigelb: he;s on holidays as many are till next week
[15:47] <duanedesign> im trying to make some screencasts from daniels outline http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/guide/index.html
[15:48] <nigelb> czajkowski: thanks


[04:27] <ScottL> holstein, that's what i did, installed xubuntu 11.10 then ardor, hydrogen, and qjackctl
[04:28] <holstein> yeah... now its not booting
[04:28] <ScottL> and qjackctl might not have been needed directly as it may have been a dependency of something
[04:28] <ScottL> holstein, doh, no luck for you man, that really sicks
[04:28] <ScottL> errr, sucks
[04:28] <holstein> its OK... i'll get it going
[13:15] <persia> ScottL, Were you able to complete your test of -lowlatency?
[14:35] <ScottL> persia, not last night, we went to my in-law's house (i am helping them with transition to xubuntu)
[14:36] <ScottL> however, this morning i do expect to complete it as soon as i get a wireless card into my in-law's computer
[15:36] <persia> No worries.  I just hoped it might be, so I could get to it in my weekend.  Let me know whenever, and I'll try to review it.
[17:03] <ScottL> persia, i've tested it and it halves the stable latency, i'm going back to in-law's house and having lunch then  i'll start packaging it in ppa
[17:03] <ScottL> persia, do i need to work on manpage for this?  if so, what is the utility that you suggested before
[17:10] <persia> As much as I like manpages for everything, kernels don't really need them.
[17:10] <persia> They are executables, but they should probably never be executed by the user directly.
[17:11] <persia> http://liw.fi/manpages/ is my current best-practices guide to manpages: it's not a utility, but it lets you draft something quickly and easily.


[00:21] <longbongolungfis> hey all. came in with a simple question in regard to gtk3 apps like gedit and synaptic. namely, is there a way to configure the tooltip delay in gtk3 apps, like how it can be configured in gtk2 apps by placing for example "gtk-tooltip-timeout = 1800" in .gtkrc-2.0 in the home directory.
[00:23] <longbongolungfis> i ask because gtk3 apps act a little weird in xfce, and it would be nice to have control over them in the same way i have over gtk2 apps.
[01:53] <cubed_root> just discovered gnome, be curious why people prefer xubuntu over gnome (before i try installing on my main laptop)
[01:54] <ethermonk> different strokes for different folks
[01:56] <Unit193> Pretty much.  I'm one that can't stand the "new and improved" interface styles.
[01:56] <cubed_root> i have to try gnome a bit more, but i really like it
[01:56] <cubed_root> but didn't like unity for some reason
[01:56] <cubed_root> i love all the options that linux gives you, just awesome
[01:57] <ethermonk> gnome is the nicest of the "new and improved" managers
[01:57] <ethermonk> but i still prefer xfce
[01:57] <Unit193> Yes, awesomewm is an option too. ;)
[01:57] <Unit193> !info awesomewm
[01:57] <Unit193> !info awesome
[01:59] <xy86> im using the greybird theme on arch...and the right click menus seem strangely out of place with lighter backgrounds and a lighter blue highlighting
[01:59] <xy86> is that what the defaul xubuntu theme is like as well?
[02:00] <Unit193> xy86: I'd presume GTK3.10 and latest Greybird release?
[02:01] <xy86> Unit193: it is a user-made package on aur
[02:01] <xy86> im not positive
[02:01] <Unit193> Yeah, figured as much.
[02:01] <xy86> im mainly wondering what the default xubuntu theme looks like, because as i understand it is grebird
[02:01] <Unit193> That it is.
[02:02] <xy86> and it has the lighter blue and lighter backgrounds on the menus?
[02:03] <Unit193> White backgrounds, light blue selection with white text.
[02:03] <xy86> okay
[02:03] <xy86> that show mine is
[02:03] <Unit193> Problem?
[02:03] <xy86> Unit193: do you mind telling me what the alpha on the top and bottom panels are?
[02:03] <xy86> Unit193: not really a problem is just seemed slightly out of place compared to the darker grey used for title bars and such....just wanted to make sure my copy wasnt screwed up
[02:04] <Unit193> Top: 0  Bottom: 15
[02:04] <Unit193> xy86: You did select it both in appearance and window manager?
[02:07] <xy86> Unit193: i did...one more thing if you dont mind
[02:08] <xy86> Unit193: how many pixels tall are your top/bottom panels?
[02:09] <Unit193> 24, 46.  You can also check the files under /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu in the xubuntu-default-settings package on launchpad.
[02:09] <xy86> Unit193: Ok....thanks for your help
[02:09] <Unit193> (If you need to reference it later or something.)  Trusty drops the lower panel and adds alpha to the top, with whiskermenu.
[02:09] <Unit193> Sure.
[02:10] <Unit193> (Also, the theme was created by the Shimmer Project, which has a channel here too if you're looking to give feedback.)
[02:11] <xy86> good to know
[03:08] <suraj> hi
[03:09] <cfhowlett> suraj, greetings
[03:09] <suraj> I am having problems with xrdp on my xubuntu 13.04
[03:09] <cfhowlett> suraj, 13.04 is end of life - no longer supported.  recommend upgrade
[03:10] <suraj> ok...but i just want to uninstall it for now...i tried something with xrdp but it did work so i just want to remove it so that atleast my apt-get update/upgrade/install start working agaon
[03:10] <cfhowlett> suraj, sudo apt-get remove --purge xrdp
[03:11] <suraj> i did that
[03:11] <suraj> it yeilds this:
[03:11] <suraj> chown: invalid user: ‘xrdp:xrdp’ invoke-rc.d: initscript xrdp, action "stop" failed. dpkg: error processing xrdp (--purge):  subprocess installed pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 No apport report written because MaxReports is reached already                                                               Errors were encountered while processing:  xrdp E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[03:14] <suraj> any ides on whats happening
[03:14] <suraj> ideas*
[03:17] <cfhowlett> suraj, bring this question over to #ubuntu
[03:17] <cfhowlett> more eyes to see it
[03:17] <suraj> okies
[03:17] <suraj> r u there too?
[03:18] <suraj> will connect to #ubunutu after 10 mins......(have to attend a call now)
[04:52] <xy86> does anyone know the best way to get something chromeos like in xfce?
[04:52] <xy86> xfce's panel would great if you could pin apps
[04:52] <xy86> *work great
[06:10] <Madcatyoji> anyone awake?
[06:10] <genii> Probably
[06:11] <Madcatyoji> I need to set up backups on my server
[06:12] <Madcatyoji> someone told me to use rsnapshot
[06:12] <Madcatyoji> so I grabbed it and am looking through their how-to, but I'm pretty much stumped at the first instruction.
[06:13] <Madcatyoji> I run ./configure --sysconfdir=/etc
[06:13] <Madcatyoji> and get a directory not found
[06:49] <xubuntu410> hello
[06:49] <Unit193> Hey.
[06:51] <xubuntu410> where can i find a remastersys  of xubuntu
[06:52] <baizon> xubuntu410: http://askubuntu.com/questions/133272/how-do-i-install-remastersys
[06:53] <xubuntu410> to get an  .iso  of my  actual  envirement
[06:53] <xubuntu410> thanks
[06:56] <xubuntu410> another prob : mounting an win partition is refused  ,   not authorized !
[06:57] <xubuntu410> although it is viewed on my desktop
[07:06] <xubuntu410> may i    sudo    before trying to mount it ...
[07:06] <baizon> xubuntu410: how do you mount it?
[07:07] <xubuntu410> by cliking on the icon  i see on my  desktop
[07:13] <baizon> pop1: this might help http://superuser.com/questions/387002/mount-usb-drive-on-ubuntu-not-authorized
[07:15] <pop1> in fact i'm installing on usb ,as if a hard disk ,
[07:15] <pop1> very long
[07:16] <pop1> i suppose that on the installed disk  i'll find an icon    "  install xubuntu..."  ?
[07:17] <ethermonk> yup.  always double check the grub install path. it usually picks wrong when you install from USB to USB
[07:17] <ethermonk> no. once installed onto the USB, Xubuntu will run as it would on a hard drive (just slower)
[07:20] <pop1> i better install a remastersys
[07:20] <ethermonk> i use Redo Backup and Restore
[07:20] <pop1> or buy another 8G  usb
[07:22] <ethermonk> www.redobackup.org   a live system (based on ubuntu) for cloning drives and repairing downed systems
[07:22] <pop1> ether , thanks
[07:23] <pop1> i'll get a .iso  as in   remastersys  ?
[07:24] <ethermonk> you don't have any CDs or DVDs you could use?
[07:29] <pop1> i like keeping remaster envirement ,less expensive
[07:30] <pop1> on usb key ,it's a bit faster
[07:33] <ethermonk> how do i toggle Orca on and off?
[07:34] <genii> Carefully?
[07:36] <ethermonk> okay... so how do i get orka to shut up without killing it?
[07:38] <ethermonk> or should i just make two icons in my panel for on and off?
[07:39] <ethermonk> paint a target over orca, smear a lil read.. yeah this may just work
[07:40] <ethermonk> red*
[07:46] <bazhang> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/saucy/man1/orca.1.html ethermonk
[07:46] <pop1> bye for now  and thanks
[07:47] <bazhang>        Insert+S toggle speech on and off.
[07:47] <ethermonk> thank you. i was pressing insert + q and that wasn't working
[07:48] <bazhang> np
[07:50] <peyam> Hi
[07:50] <bazhang> hi
[07:50] <peyam> why is not menulibre available for xubutu 13.10 while it has problem with menu editing?
[07:50] <bazhang> !find menulibre
[07:52] <peyam> you see
[08:21] <pop1> hello
[08:21] <bazhang> hi
[08:22] <pop1> afterinstall , i lost all my envirement
[08:23] <pop1> therefore i want remastersys
[08:23] <ethermonk> can you provide more details?
[08:24] <pop1> i made unetbootin on xubuntu trusty
[08:24] <pop1> on usb key 8G
[08:26] <pop1> added : gftp , unetbootin,recordmydesktop, openshot , winff,
[08:27] <ethermonk> oem-config-remaster is available in the trusty repo
[08:27] <pop1> then install on another usb
[08:28] <ethermonk> what is it you are trying to accomplish?
[08:28] <pop1> i think yes
[08:29] <ethermonk> what is it you are trying to accomplish?
[08:30] <pop1> i'm looking for it in u software center
[08:31] <bazhang> you might wish to reconsider recordmydesktop
[08:32] <ethermonk> pop1,  http://www.webupd8.org/2010/08/create-full-system-backup-or-custom.html
[08:32] <bazhang> !info kazam
[08:32] <ethermonk> it's not in the trusty repo, you will need to use a ppa
[08:33] <pop1> kazam seems to work not so nice than recordmydesktop , when i resize .ogv
[08:53] <pop1> ether , i have trusty on dvd-rw  ,and installed oem-config-remaster
[08:54] <pop1> on envirement
[08:55] <pop1> how can i launch :   sudo oem-config-remaster  -t  /trusty   ?
[08:55] <ethermonk> pop1,  http://www.webupd8.org/2010/08/create-full-system-backup-or-custom.html     remastersys is not in the trusty repo, you will need to use a ppa (also i use Redo to clone out installs and know nothing about remastersys)
[09:17] <peyam> !find menulibre
[09:17] <peyam> !find menulibre rarin
[09:18] <elfy> you won't find menulibre for anything but trusty
[09:18] <peyam> elfy, its available for 13.04 and 12.04 not for 13.10
[09:18] <peyam> while 13.10 had big issues with main menu
[09:19] <elfy> peyam: it's available in a ppa
[09:19] <peyam> not for 13.10
[09:19] <elfy> not as far as I know
[09:19] <peyam> try it! it would get it installed
[09:20] <peyam> nt
[09:20] <elfy> I don't need to try it
[09:20] <peyam> its not working
[09:24] <bazhang> from a ppa?
[09:25] <peyam> please try it if you dont believe me
[09:25] <peyam> if ur running 13.10
[09:25] <bazhang> !find menulibre trusty
[09:25] <peyam> not trusty
[09:26] <peyam> saucy
[09:26] <elfy> there is no menulibre for 13.10
[09:26] <bazhang> it's *not* in 13.10
[09:26] <bazhang> are you mixing repos?
[09:26] <elfy> and !find won't look in ppa's so it's pointless to keep doing that
[09:27] <bazhang> peyam, you have it in 13.10, where did you get if from
[09:27] <peyam> bazhang, menulibre is not available for xubuntu 13.10
[09:27] <bazhang> yes
[09:27] <peyam> I tried it and have read it . It's strange
[09:28] <peyam> http://askubuntu.com/questions/90897/menu-editor-in-xubuntu-not-alacarte
[09:28] <bazhang> so whats the issue
[09:29] <peyam> the issue is that main menu is not working in xubuntu13.10
[09:30] <peyam> och menulibre is not available for it either
[09:30] <bazhang> that doesnt make sense
[09:30] <peyam> lxde menu editor is not making categories
[09:30] <bazhang> it does not exist, so it cannot work
[09:30] <peyam> I know. that's why im confused
[09:30] <peyam> what does not exist?
[09:30] <bazhang> menulibre for 13.10
[09:31] <peyam> :)
[09:31] <peyam> I know
[09:31] <peyam> I mean i tried to install it but it's not available
[09:31] <bazhang> so why are you saying thats a problem
[09:31] <peyam> it is a problem since there is not a simple way to modify the main menu in 13.10
[09:39] <peyam> I will contact Sean the creator of it
[10:15] <serranellus> hi, guys! Are you all xubunters?
[10:16] <serranellus> May I ask you about video codecs on Xubuntu?
[10:16] <cfhowlett> !ask
[10:17] <bazhang> xubuntu-restricted-extras should provide most of that
[10:25] <serranellus> Thx! I whish to know how to solve an issue about the lack of avi support on my Xubuntu system. I have read many posts about it, but they weren't resolutives. xubuntu-restricted-extras are already installed; I noticed that libavdevice53 is not compatible with libavdevice-extras-53. I have installed DeVeDe together with libavdevice-extras-53, then uninstalled libavdevice-extras-53 and replaced it with libavdevide53. I installed and uninstall
[10:25] <serranellus> ed winff, mplayer-gui, vlc and parole. No changes: the avi are played without video every time.
[10:26] <bazhang> did you install the xubuntu-restricted-extras package
[10:26] <serranellus> yes
[10:27] <bazhang> do you have some PPA in there that cause conflicts
[10:27] <serranellus> I didn't add manually any other sources
[10:27] <bazhang> please pastebin your sources.list
[10:30] <serranellus> can't I paste it here? How to use pastebin?
[10:31] <bazhang> go to the website paste.ubuntu.com
[10:31] <serranellus> kk
[10:31] <bazhang> enter the output of cat /etc/apt/sources.list  there, save, and give us the url
[10:32] <serranellus> ok, but maybe we could avoid the process. I understood who was the responsable...
[10:32] <serranellus> https://private-ppa.launchpad.net/commercial-ppa-uploaders/master-pdf-editor/ubuntu
[10:33] <serranellus> I found this ppa automatically added by the software center
[10:34] <bazhang> no ppa are "added automatically"
[10:34] <cfhowlett> ppa has to be authorized
[10:34] <bazhang> ppa-purge it , then lets proceed
[10:35] <bazhang> !ppa-purge | serranellus
[10:35] <serranellus> Yes, I know only that I choosed "Reinstall previous purchases" in Software Center
[10:36] <serranellus> And reinstalled this bloody Pdf Master, so its ppa was "automatically added"...
[10:36] <bazhang> nonetheless, purge, then lets proceed
[10:39] <serranellus> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6981026/
[10:39] <bazhang> was the ppa-purge successful?
[10:40] <serranellus> It's funny to add a ppa to purge all ppa! Do I have to proceed or may I just edit my list?
[10:40] <serranellus> Ah, ok. the site was for further infos... sorry
[10:46] <serranellus> I'm ready: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6981059/
[10:47] <serranellus> Is it purged, bazhang?
[11:00] <serranellus> Now I have to go to the work. "See" you later, thanks till here for your kind attention
[11:10] <p00l3> what is the current situation on linux flash and java security holes? is there something i need worry about?
[11:10] <cfhowlett> p00l3, don't use flash or java and no issues.
[11:12] <Sysi> java is pretty secure if you don't use it in browser, flash should be pretty safe, especially in chrome
[11:14] <p00l3> cfhowlett sometimes i need flash. i use html5 for youtube and vimeo but online streams@youtube are available only in flash.
[11:15] <cfhowlett> p00l3, I'd have to agree with sysi.  that said, I've never detected a breach.  I run ubuntustudio 12.04 LTS and I've enabled my firewall.  no other protective measures ...
[11:16] <p00l3> i dont remember when i used java last time. wasnt there some office programs dependence at java?
[11:16] <cfhowlett> p00l3, not libreoffice ...
[11:19] <p00l3> i normally install restriced-extras and addons packages but i cant install them without java?
[11:20] <cfhowlett> p00l3, or you can install the restricted-extras then purge java
[11:20] <p00l3> ok
[11:20] <Sysi> or just check what would restricted-extras pull in and install what you want
[11:20] <Sysi> or as mentioned, disable java from your browser, it's quite safe otherly
[14:23] <webpanda> hi everybody, I am facing a huge temperature problem
[14:23] <webpanda> +88°
[14:24] <webpanda> ubuntu installed by default the right graphic drivers, so I dont know where the problem can be, has anybody an idea?
[15:25] <cubed_root> are a lot of linux fans gui/interface geeks?  i'm realizing one of the best things about linux is all the desktop (aka interface) configurations you can make
[15:26] <Sysi> well, there are guys that develop all that stuff
[15:26] <cubed_root> not just specific configurations to your desktop, but swapping out whole desktops
[15:26] <cubed_root> yea
[15:26] <cubed_root> so they're developers that really like designing different gui's
[15:26] <cubed_root> and i'm not complaining, i think it's awesome
[15:27] <cubed_root> running in gnome 3 right now
[15:27] <cubed_root> and still have to check out gnome classic and fallback
[16:08] <Dan_D> Is there a command to update the OS itself? To the latest one?
[16:09] <bekks> Dan_D: "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[16:09] <cfhowlett> Dan_D, sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:09] <bekks> fasterrrr. :P
[16:09] <Dan_D> Ah, thanks
[16:11] <cubed_root> does the first command make sure the update tool is the latest?
[16:12] <bekks> cubed_root:No. It ensures you have the current lists of updates.
[16:12] <cubed_root> ok thanks
[18:07] <serranellus> Hi again, bazhang! Hi everybody. Could you help me in solving the video problem (=black screen) during the avi files reproduction?
[18:15] <newbie36> hmm hey guys can someone help
[18:16] <bekks> newbie36: Depends on your issue.
[18:17] <newbie36> i am new to linux, (win xp vista) and wanna install a new linux os.    for bitcoin mining.  Pc i am upgrading.  What os is best to start with ? coming from windows, and
[18:18] <newbie36> i am downloading xubuntu
[18:19] <xubuntu599> hallo someone knows how to install xubuntu in samsung np915s3g ?
[18:20] <xubuntu599> it boots but after that it does nothing
[18:21] <xubuntu599> some knows a tutorial somwhere some how'?
[18:22] <bekks> xubuntu599: Define "it does nothing" please.
[18:22] <bekks> newbie36: Well, start with installing Ubuntu.
[18:23] <newbie36> bekks: is xubuntu good I am downloading now
[18:23] <bekks> newbie36: Sure, why not.
[18:24] <newbie36> ok i have r9 270x gpu and need to install the drivers for this, Where can i find these for linux? and where can I find tutorial for xbuntu
[18:25] <newbie36> bekks: ubove question please
[18:25] <newbie36> above
[18:26] <bekks> newbie36: Sounds like an AMD/ATI GPU. I am sorry, I never used/will use AMD/ATI GPUs :)
[18:26] <bekks> !ati | newbie36
[18:27] <newbie36> ok cool thanks
[18:33] <newbie36> ok can i put the iso on a usb to install xubuntu on the computer
[18:34] <newbie36> bekks:
[18:35] <bekks> !usb
[18:49] <newbie36> bekks: ok i went to bios, and it doesnt even give me and option for usp bootup. wierd, so i guess i burn it to a cd then?
[18:49] <knome> newbie36, if you downloaded the latest version, it won't fit a CD, you'll need to use a DVD
[18:50] <newbie36> yes dvd , i have win 8 preview on the computer and i put in the usb but cant get it to load/start install. I try to boot from usb but there is no option for that
[18:51] <knome> newbie36, then your BIOS doesn't either support that, or you need to have the USB drive inserted, or the USB device is shown under hard drives
[18:52] <newbie36> hmm wierd I tried now to update bios , gives a message saying , no update needed...
[18:52] <newbie36> so i guess dvd it is.
[19:11] <bekks> newbie36: I have no clue what you are trying, neither I do know whats "usp boot"?
[19:12] <newbie36> lol
[19:12] <newbie36> ok
[19:35] <newbie36_> bekks: when i try to cd to downloads it doesnt work in terminal
[19:37] <bekks> newbie36_: The directory is named "Downloads".
[19:37] <newbie36_> yes i put that , and its not working
[19:38] <newbie36_> ok got it to work sorry
[19:39] <newbie36_> if it says "is a directory"  does that mean i am in it? or
[19:39] <newbie36_> got it , i have so much to learn
[19:57] <bekks> If it says "it is a directory", then it tells you "it is a directory".
[20:00] <newbie36_> is this how i download a file  in terminal    curl -o driver.zip http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/amd-catalyst-13.12-linux-x86.x86_64.zip
[20:00] <newbie36_> or do i need to add the -- referer link
[20:00] <newbie36_> bekks:
[20:01] <bekks> "wget link"
[20:01] <newbie36_> sorry
[20:02] <bekks> newbie36_: And do NOT install any drivers like you are about to do.
[20:02] <bekks> You WILL break your system.
[20:02] <newbie36_> why???
[20:03] <newbie36_> http://blog.truepps.com/complete-guide-to-mine-scrypt-on-xubuntu-13-10/               I AM following this guide
[20:03] <bekks> BEcause Ubuntu is not Windows, and you should not download and install software like you do when using windows.
[20:03] <bekks> !ati | newbie36_
[20:03] <bekks> Please follow that link. Do not follow 3rd party guides.
[20:05] <newbie36_> why???
[20:06] <bekks> I just told you.
[20:06] <newbie36_> lol   great
[20:09] <newbie36_> do i need to do all installs in terminal?
[20:10] <bekks> No.
[20:13] <newbie36_> bekks:  this guide says unbuntu.  is it the same as xubuntu
[20:15] <bekks> xubuntu is ubuntu minus Unity plus XFCE.
[20:18] <newbie36_> ok if i use browser to go to amd and download the drivers can i install it this way with terminal??
[20:18] <newbie36_> withOUT terminal
[20:19] <newbie36_> bekks:
[20:19] <bekks> No.
[20:19] <bekks> And do NOT install drivers like that.
[20:20] <bekks> Follow the ubuntu documentation please, as the link has been provided two times now.
[20:20] <newbie36_> yes but its not clear for me a newbie
[20:20] <newbie36_> thanks will keep at it
[20:20] <newbie36_> like what is the fxglr drivers???
[20:23] <bekks> fglrx is the closed source binary driver from AMD/ATI. Read the second paragraph here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/AMD
[20:30] <newbie36_>  I am at 2.  and im lost
[20:31] <bekks> Where are you lost exactly?
[20:32] <newbie36_> is says easy way to install is go to additional drivers manager ,,,  Where?
[20:32] <newbie36_> lol
[20:33] <newbie36_> do i go to the fglrx-installer link and download what?
[20:34] <bekks> click on the top left icon on your desktop, and the search dialog will open, type "software", click on "software and updates", click on the "additional drivers" tab.
[20:36] <newbie36_> top left is home folder
[20:37] <sleezio> hello, does xubuntu not come with a usb image writer installed?
[20:37] <newbie36_> ok found it, nothing
[20:37] <Unit193> dd?
[20:38] <sleezio> Unit193, GUI
[20:38] <newbie36_> ok found additional drivers
[20:38] <sleezio> seems like every distro of linux i've used has had an image writer installed by default, i don't see one in xubuntu
[20:39] <Unit193> sleezio: Not that I know of, but unetbootin or usb-creator-gtk are two options.
[20:39] <sleezio> thanks
[21:08] <newbie36_> bekks: Enable the Source Code repository in Synaptic Package Manger where is this
[21:08] <bekks> In the synaptic package manager? :)
[21:09] <newbie36_> I can not find this
[21:10] <Unit193> You can look in Software Sources (from the Settings Manager) and change them there as well.
[21:11] <newbie36_> nope still nothing
[21:12] <newbie36_> cant find it in xubuntu
[21:13] <bekks> You have to install synaptic before.
[21:13] <newbie36_> lol
[21:14] <newbie36_> i can see why linux is not so popular
[21:15] <bekks> Because in Windows, you dont have to install software you want to use? :P
[21:17] <newbie36_> i install synaptic now, do i need to restart
[21:18] <bekks> No.
[21:18] <newbie36_> is it only used in terminal?
[21:18] <newbie36_> cause i dont see it anywhere
[21:19] <bekks> open a terminal, type: "gksu synaptic"
[21:25] <newbie36_> nope just hangs , no luck
[21:26] <newbie36_> got it
[21:30] <xubuntu648> wat
[21:41] <newbie36_> k  how long does it take to When generating package : ubuntu/precise.. Terminal seems frozen and shows blue curser
[21:48] <newbie36_> bekks: i am stuck on the 3.3   part can you help
[21:49] <newbie36_> i got the 3 deb files in a the folder and one changes file
[21:50] <bekks> There is no 3.3
[21:50] <newbie36_> sorry 3.   do i now go to #4 or do I do the note parts
[21:51] <bekks> "Remember to uninstall the AMD proprietary fglrx graphics if it is already installed and reboot your system."
[21:52] <newbie36_> i have no idea? that step is where? did i miss it
[21:52] <bekks> Did you install fglrx before or not?
[21:53] <newbie36_> i did it through the additional drivers not sure if it is fglrx
[21:53] <bekks> Then check that, in the additional drivers, again.
[21:55] <newbie36_> it is on the using x.org.x server option. not the other 2 with the fglrx
[21:56] <newbie36_> am i wrong?
[21:57] <bekks> I dont know what you are seeing.
[21:58] <newbie36_> i am in the additional drivers tab in the software and updates
[21:58] <bekks> pastebin "sudo dpkg -l | grep fglrx" please.
[21:59] <bekks> !pastebin | newbie36_
[22:00] <newbie36_> when i put that in terminal , nothing happens?
[22:00] <bekks> So fglrx is not installed.
[22:00] <newbie36_> yes
[22:01] <newbie36_> i did not click that option on that additional drivers screen
[22:02] <newbie36_> i am on the section 3.1 part 3
[22:05] <bekks> newbie36_: and?
[22:05] <newbie36_> in the note for that section do i have to do the command there or do i go to next step
[22:06] <newbie36_> i go to install the created debs now.
[22:11] <newbie36_> it says select generate dis specific driver package, and continue -i agree   how do i get there do i enter the
[22:12] <bekks> newbie36_: That section has different commands for different releases. Choose the one matching the release you are on.
[22:13] <newbie36_> yes at the note sections  is has another line.    do i need to do that, im confused.
[22:13] <newbie36_> ssudo ./amd-driver-installer-catalyst-13-4-x86.x86_64.run
[22:14] <bekks> newbie36_: Calm down. Do you have fglrx installed? No. No answer to the question: "If I have fglrx installed, then..."
[22:15] <newbie36_> sorry , its frustrating.,  not installed. not sure where that step is.  I have 3 deb files now. thats all i know.
[22:15] <bekks> newbie36_: So calm down. Which Ubuntu version are you on?
[22:15] <newbie36_> xub 13.10
[22:16] <bekks> newbie36_: Then read:  3.1.1
[22:17] <bekks> newbie36_: I stringly advise you to instantly stop doing what you are doing, if you do not even find the single sentence matching your ubuntu version in that section. Really: you are about to brbeak your system.
[22:19] <xubuntu121> Hi posso sapere una cosa?
[22:19] <newbie36_> is there any other linux or all in one installer for me to get the computer up and running so i can mine
[22:20] <bekks> newbie36_: you have to setup all requirements for mining manually - in every distro.
[22:22] <xubuntu121> If ill istall xubuntu LTS it will to recent LTS 14.04?
[22:22] <newbie36_> how do guys get mining with linux on a usb. to work then, is it really this long to setup
[22:23] <bekks> newbie36_: It is a long way. It is not setup in 10 minutes.
[22:30] <newbie36_> ssudo ./amd-driver-installer-catalyst-13-4-x86.x86_64.run   when i enter this i get nothing?  i got the 3 deb files. and the run file
[22:32] <bekks> newbie36_: I am resting that case. You are about to break your system.
[22:33] <newbie36_> how? i have done the steps as it is?
[22:33] <bekks> I told you several times now. Obviously you arent even reading what people tell you. So I am out of whatever you are doing there.
[22:35] <newbie36_> lol bekks < i appreciate your help and encouragement. I am here trying to learn and get help. If i follow the steps and you wanted me to , how can i screw it up.
[22:36] <bekks> newbie36_: I told you more than once how and why you are going to screw it up. There is nothing more to say.
[22:36] <newbie36_> thank you.
[22:43] <Loafy> HI, has anyone figured out how to get past the issues with Nvidia-Prime in 13.10?


[01:26] <dmcglone> Hi all
[01:28] <Cheri703> yo dmcglone
[01:28] <dmcglone> what yadoing?
[01:29] <Cheri703> watching BattleStar Galactica
[01:29] <Cheri703> and we did our first errand by bus today :)
[01:29] <dmcglone> was it fun?
[01:30] <Cheri703> eh, it was ok, took us 3.25 hours door to door to go to walmart, do shopping and get back
[01:30] <dmcglone> wow
[01:31] <dmcglone> did you do a lot of shopping?
[01:32] <Cheri703> eh, reasonably sized trip
[01:32] <Cheri703> we managed it
[01:33] <dmcglone> I imagine you felt weird hauling all that stuff on a bus?
[01:34] <Cheri703> eh, it was ok, other people had groceries and stuff too
[01:34] <Cheri703> we didn't have TONS of stuff, and we were able to consolidate it to a few containers
[01:35] <dmcglone> cool
[01:36] <Unit193> Not doing blog posts?
[01:36] <Cheri703> Unit193: me?
[01:36] <dmcglone> not to change the subject, but how come when I click on a pdf file on my laptop it asks me if I want to open it with a pdf reader or save it etc, but when I'm on my desktop it only ask me to download it
[01:36] <dmcglone> I've been buisy Unit193:-(
[01:36] <Cheri703> what browsers dmcglone ?
[01:36] <dmcglone> I'm using Kontact
[01:36] <Cheri703> on both?
[01:37] <Cheri703> same versions?
[01:37] <dmcglone> yeah same version everything, both even have the same adobe reader version too
[01:37] <dmcglone> I've looked everywhere in the settings on the desktop and can't figure out why
[01:38] <Cheri703> weird, no idea
[01:38] <Unit193> Does kontact have plugins like FF?
[01:38] <dmcglone> Unit193 I'm still trying to make it to the library to get that look on the conference room
[01:38] <dmcglone> not exactly like FF, but it has plugins
[01:38] <Unit193> When you do, I would love to see pics (even if I'm not going)
[01:39] <dmcglone> I'm gonna get pics :-)
[01:39] <Unit193> I take it all the plugins are the same?
[01:39] <dmcglone> the pdf reader doesn't require a plugin, it's a system thing
[01:40] <dmcglone> you know what maybe I'm wrong
[01:40] <dmcglone> that type of thinking is probably why I'm not figuring it out
[01:40] <dmcglone> I'll check
[01:40] <dmcglone> can't right now, but later when they get off the desktop
[01:41] <Unit193> You might be able to ssh -x in ;)
[01:41] <Unit193> You're probably right about the plugin thing
[01:44] <dmcglone> what is the application install path for ubuntu? it's asking me if I want to install in /opt but it doesn't exsist
[01:46] <Unit193>  /usr/share
[01:47] <Unit193> I *think*
[01:47] <Cheri703>  /usr/bin perhaps?
[01:48] <dmcglone> never mind, I found it with synaptic
[01:49] <Unit193> Was she right? (mine was config?)
[01:50] <dmcglone> I don't know, I found it in synaptic
[01:51] <dmcglone> already rolled
[01:51] <dmcglone> I hate .bin files
[01:51] <Unit193> How about .tar.gz
[01:54] <dmcglone> hate em too. too much work LOL
[01:54] <Unit193> I don't use them... wayyy too lazy...
[01:55] <dmcglone> tar -xzf blahblah.tar.gz
[01:55] <dmcglone> ./configure
[01:55] <dmcglone> make
[01:55] <dmcglone> sudo make install
[01:55] <dmcglone> (vs)
[01:55] <dmcglone> click
[01:55] <dmcglone> I'll go with the click
[01:55] <dmcglone> LOL
[01:56] <Unit193> I wouldn't extract via CLI
[01:56] <Unit193> dmcglone: What would be the reason to use PGP in email (besides Ubuntu CoC)
[01:56] <Unit193> ?
[01:57] <dmcglone> verification
[01:57] <dmcglone> I used to use PGP, but I figured why. The messages I get aren't that important
[01:57] <dmcglone> lol
[01:57] <Unit193> That's about how I see it (and it doesn't work in gmail)
[01:58] <dmcglone> I don't use gmail
[01:58] <Unit193> I kinda do, that and T-Bird
[01:59] <dmcglone> I try to stay away from any commercialized e-mail ;-)
[01:59] <dmcglone> Yahoo is the worst!
[01:59] <dmcglone> I hate Yahoo with a passion
[02:01] <Unit193> Do you use your RR email? (What do you use to host your dmcentral.net one?)
[02:03] <dmcglone> Nope I don't use the RR email either. I host my dmcentral one myself
[02:05] <Unit193> Using? with IMAP?
[02:06] <dmcglone> yeah
[02:07] <dmcglone> IMAP puts POP3 to shame
[02:07] <Unit193> What do you use to host it? (easy to use alpine with IMAP, but I don't know how to send....)
[02:08] <Unit193> (what progtram)
[02:09] <dmcglone> to send e-mail?
[02:09] <dmcglone> I'm using SMTP
[02:09] <Unit193> email server
[02:10] <dmcglone> I'm using my own server
[02:10] <Unit193> You programmed your own server? cool...
[02:11] <dmcglone> no
[02:11] <dmcglone> lol
[02:11]  * Unit193 isn't the best at communication
[02:13] <dmcglone> You might be thinking what program I use for my e-mail operations right?
[02:13] <dmcglone> it's called postfix
[02:14] <Unit193> I kinda know that one... does it have any type of GUI management?
[02:14] <dmcglone> if you use webmin yes
[02:33] <dmcglone> I'm going to get ready for bed Night everyone
[03:00] <Cheri703> http://wimp.com/robotkinect/
[04:41] <Unit193> What would happen if he fell over?
[04:42] <Cheri703> probably flail
[04:43] <Unit193> As in the thing would fall too?
[04:43] <Unit193> LibreOffice came out today!
[05:00] <canthus13> Unit193: Uh. yay?
[05:00] <BiosElement> Yippie I suppose
[05:06] <Unit1931> I take it to be a good thing...
[05:10] <Unit1931> I left?
[05:24] <BiosElement> haha wow
[06:57] <qazeqaz> hi all
[06:57] <Unit193> Hello qazeqaz
[06:57] <qazeqaz> thought everyone was dead haha


[07:51] <noob> anyone up
[07:52] <Guest23440> I got Bzr-Explorer here, and a repo to contribute to.. never used bzr before and have some experience with git..
[07:52] <Guest23440> by a repo.. i basically meant a team on launchpad
[07:53] <Guest23440> eixt
[07:53] <Guest23440> exit


[00:28] <rick_h_> pluses and reshares welcome please. https://plus.google.com/116120911388966791792/posts/4ZuLf9ZS2S9
[10:44] <gnuoy> jamespage, dosaboy do either of you have anytime to looks at my haproxy-all-the-time mps ( http://paste.ubuntu.com/9248100/ ) ? The diffs are decpetively large because of the resent updates to charmhelpers
[10:45] <gnuoy> s/decpetively/deceptively/
[13:32] <bloodearnest> hmm, I'm having problems with deployer/juju (0.4.1/1.20.12) giving the following error when trying to add relations:
[13:33] <bloodearnest> u'Error': u'no relations found', u'RequestId': 1, u'Response': {   }
[13:33] <bloodearnest> juju status reports all is well
[13:33] <bloodearnest> local provider
[13:34] <bloodearnest> juju ssh is giving public key denied
[13:46] <bloodearnest> so, this was after trying to add a relation between two subordinates, which was working fine until yesterday
[13:48] <bloodearnest> now I can't add the relation
[13:48] <bloodearnest> is this a change in 1.20.12?
[13:51] <bloodearnest> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1382751
[13:51] <mup> Bug #1382751: non subordinate container scoped relations broken  <regression> <relations> <subordinate> <juju-core:Fix Committed by menno.smits> <juju-core 1.20:Fix Released by menno.smits> <juju-core 1.21:Fix Released by natefinch> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1382751>
[13:51] <bloodearnest> so, this is a breaking change
[13:52] <bloodearnest> in a point release
[13:52] <hazmat> bloodearnest, ugh
[13:53] <hazmat> that looks like unintended fallout
[13:54] <bloodearnest> seems so
[13:54] <bloodearnest> relating 2 subordinates has been supported for ages, I've been using for a good while
[13:54] <hazmat> bloodearnest,  is it a container scoped relation between the two subordinates?
[13:54] <bloodearnest> hazmat: yes
[13:55] <bloodearnest> hmm, I guess one side could be non-scoped, since the placement has already been done by the scoped relation
[13:55] <hazmat> bloodearnest, it looks like this line +		if eps[0].Scope == charm.ScopeContainer && subordinateCount != 1 {
[13:55] <hazmat> should be subordinateCount >= 1
[13:57] <hazmat> bloodearnest, is this with public charms, i think its a worth a bug report
[13:58] <bloodearnest> hazmat: public charm, but not yet promulgated. It's the charm for the new conn-check utility we announce recently, related to nrpe-external-master to surface the chamr s
[13:58] <bloodearnest> gah
[13:58] <bloodearnest> surface the checks as nagios results
[13:58] <bloodearnest> I will file a report
[14:10] <bloodearnest> hazmat: fyi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1396625
[14:10] <mup> Bug #1396625: container scoped relations between 2 subordinates broken in 1.20.12 <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1396625>
[14:14] <bloodearnest> hm, how do I down grade to 1.20.11, stable ppa doesn't have it
[14:19] <gnuoy> small charmhelpers mp if anyone has a sec https://code.launchpad.net/~gnuoy/charm-helpers/add-default-nagios-servicegroup/+merge/242928
[15:11] <mthaddon> gnuoy: that looks reasonable to me - will merge
[15:35] <gnuoy> mthaddon, thanks!
[15:35] <mthaddon> sure