[04:23] <KJ_agent007> hey techdude
[07:23] <Eroskzn> i need help with software updates not able to download from getdeb
[07:27] <Eroskzn> am i in the wrong channel , can someone help me please
[07:28] <hateball> Eroskzn: Well getdeb is a third party repo, so
[07:29] <Eroskzn> sorry i'm new to this
[07:29] <Eroskzn> where must i check or ask for help
[08:02] <Senjai> Just how different is Kubuntu from Ubuntu?
[08:02] <Aknot> ubuntu uses unity, kubuntu uses kde
[08:03] <Aknot> kde is the logical system while unity is marketed towards apple fanatics and other fashionable consumers
[08:03] <Senjai> Well
[08:04] <Senjai> I dislike the move from Gnome
[08:04] <Senjai> and the last time I was ingrained in the environment it used Gnome
[08:04] <Aknot> gnome was very good before they moved to gnome shell
[08:04] <Senjai> I like the windows-type UI Kubuntu appears to use, I'm concerned with compatability with some ubuntu apps
[08:05] <Senjai> Im very.. uninitiated.. well not so much, but enough to have to ask questions
[08:05] <Aknot> there is a kde "version" for every ubuntu program
[08:05] <Aknot> or kde program for gtk program i should say
[08:05] <Aknot> so i suggest always install kde variant
[08:05] <Senjai> And I think there are ways to install a gtk program, as long as you have the dependancies met right?
[08:06] <Senjai> You can run gtk programs in a kde environment. I think.
[08:06] <Senjai> Without having a GTK desktop
[08:06] <Senjai> Is this correct?
[08:06] <Aknot> yes you can install them fine but they might look worse because they dont match the theme and they dont integrate to system tray etc aswell as qt (kde) programs
[08:07] <Senjai> Oh, Kde programs are all build with Qt?
[08:07] <Aknot> yes
[08:07] <Senjai> I dont mind
[08:07] <Senjai> just as long as I can still use the programs
[08:07] <FlameReaper-PC> Depends on how you have them installed. I don't know if any post-install modifications are made by distros to improve the look and feel of GTK apps
[08:07] <FlameReaper-PC> as far as I know using (K)ubuntu
[08:07] <FlameReaper-PC> it's pretty smooth sailing for me
[08:08] <Senjai> Yea, I'll try it out then
[08:08] <Senjai> Thanks for your opinions.
[08:08] <Aknot> senjai which gtk programs do u mean specifically? im sure we can find u kde replacement
[08:08] <Senjai> Music player, starts with C
[08:08] <Senjai> that I'm worried about
[08:08] <FlameReaper-PC> though I think I customized my build a lot
[08:08] <FlameReaper-PC> Clementine?
[08:08] <Senjai> Streams radio from lasst.fm and such
[08:08] <Aknot> clementine?
[08:08] <Senjai> Clementine
[08:08] <Senjai> yea
[08:08] <Aknot> clementine is kde :D
[08:08] <Senjai> Mind slow tonight.
[08:08] <Aknot> and i use it
[08:08] <FlameReaper-PC> I think it's originally built in Qt
[08:08] <Aknot> its wonderful
[08:08] <FlameReaper-PC> so KDE should be able to display it well
[08:08] <Senjai> Sorry for asking the silly questions then
[08:08] <Senjai> lol
[08:09] <Aknot> np :P
[08:09] <FlameReaper-PC> somehow it doesn't work on mine, but I might need to look back at why I can't
[08:09] <FlameReaper-PC> because sometimes these problems can be very specific per person...
[08:09] <FlameReaper-PC> amarok is fine for me but might be a tad too heavy :P
[08:09] <FlameReaper-PC> hence why I depend on audacious a lot
[08:09] <Aknot> flamereaper how come clementine doesnt work??
[08:09] <FlameReaper-PC> Aknot: on mine?
[08:10] <FlameReaper-PC> I can't remember
[08:10] <FlameReaper-PC> what error it threw out on the terminal last time I tried
[08:10] <Aknot> did u try reinstall?
[08:10] <FlameReaper-PC> I did, but that didn't seem to help
[08:10] <FlameReaper-PC> well it was quite sometime ago and I'm currently settling on Amarok and/or Audacious for music players
[08:10] <Aknot> try minirok, its amarok without all the crap
[08:10] <FlameReaper-PC> Tried, but somehow I didn't like it :P
[08:10] <Aknot> okok
[08:11] <Senjai_> Virtual box kicked me off :/
[08:11] <FlameReaper-PC> Aknot: guess can't really persuade someone who's comfortable with what they have even though there are better options eh :P
[08:11] <Aknot> true true
[08:11] <Senjai> Last question, is there any downside to installing via Wubi
[08:12] <jackyalcine> just a tad bit slower of a system, from my personal trials.
[08:12] <Aknot> ive never tried wubi
[08:12] <Aknot> why not just do proper install?
[08:12] <FlameReaper-PC> tried and despaired when there's a new distro release
[08:12] <Aknot> i mean if u like kde that is
[08:12] <FlameReaper-PC> and the migration from Wubi to a full partition is quite a work out
[08:12] <Senjai> Yea
[08:13] <Senjai> Thats my proble FlameReaper-PC
[08:13] <Senjai> Im uninstalling the wubi
[08:13] <Senjai> because its slow as crap
[08:13] <Senjai> I had Ubuntu 12.04
[08:13] <FloodBotK1> Senjai: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:13] <Aknot> senjai just do proper kubuntu install :D
[08:13] <Senjai> cleared it to install kbuntu 12.10
[08:13] <Senjai> Ugh, gotta find a usb drive
[08:13] <Senjai> or an old ipod..
[08:13] <FlameReaper-PC> Senjai: Here's a tip - back-up your home folder
[08:13] <Senjai> Why?
[08:13] <FlameReaper-PC> and when you do a partition install
[08:14] <FlameReaper-PC> just unload them into the new home folder
[08:14] <Senjai> yea, i wanted fresh of fresh of fresh though. Make sure none of the old issues come over.
[08:14] <Senjai> I have all my important stuff backed up into windows
[08:14] <Senjai> Via mount -t ntfs... etc
[08:14] <FlameReaper-PC> because most apps you use will have their configurations kept into that home folder
[08:14] <Senjai> Oh thats fine,
[08:14] <FlameReaper-PC> well it's fine if you want a fresh restart though
[08:14] <Senjai> I'd like to start fresh
[08:15] <FlameReaper-PC> I think I might consider that
[08:15] <Senjai> Fresh start?
[08:15] <FlameReaper-PC> and keep only documents produced from the old partition
[08:15] <FlameReaper-PC> Senjai: Yes
[08:15] <Senjai> I only kept files
[08:15] <Senjai> configurations can hurt you, in my experience
[08:15] <FlameReaper-PC> Yes
[08:15] <FlameReaper-PC> especially if your current install can't mirror the previous ones
[08:16] <Senjai> it wont
[08:16] <Senjai> Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (Wubi) --> Kubuntu 12.10 (partitioned)
[08:16] <Senjai> It would be.. iffy
[08:16] <FlameReaper-PC> yea
[08:16] <Senjai> then having to go through and purge one by one as issues arise would be.. annoying
[08:16] <Senjai> lol
[08:16] <FlameReaper-PC> well it won't hurt to keep some specific configs though
[08:16] <Senjai> Are the repos the same as ubuntus
[08:16] <FlameReaper-PC> it is
[08:17] <Aknot> i always do fresh install
[08:17] <Aknot> most hassle free
[08:17] <FlameReaper-PC> well kubuntu is basically a KDE Ubuntu
[08:17] <FlameReaper-PC> so things are as simple as that
[08:17] <FlameReaper-PC> its just a matter of DEs
[08:18] <FlameReaper-PC> right, I guess I'll want to try a cross compilation now
[08:18] <ovidiu-florin> hello world
[08:18] <ovidiu-florin> good morning :D
[08:18] <FlameReaper-PC> hello ovidiu-florin and good... afternoon :D
[08:19] <ovidiu-florin> what's the discution topic ?
[08:19] <ovidiu-florin> :D
[08:20] <Senjai> My noobiness
[08:20] <Senjai> Not even sure how much i remember about linux operation
[08:20] <Senjai> gotta learn bash and the file system all over again
[08:21] <ovidiu-florin> Senjai: have you tried using windows?
[08:21] <Senjai> ovidiu-florin, sorry?
[08:21] <ovidiu-florin> (^ not a recommendation )
[08:22] <ovidiu-florin> I thought you might have used windows or something, that being the cause you forgot these
[08:22] <Senjai> I use windows now.
[08:22] <Senjai> I was a hobbiest programmer some years back
[08:22] <Senjai> but its been a while
[08:22] <Senjai> Had to use windows for school, and work
[08:23] <FlameReaper-PC> I use everything that I can get my hands on, either by handover or self-obtaining
[08:24] <FlameReaper-PC> so far my life with usage has been revolving around Windows and (K)Ubuntu, with a little bit of Mac
[08:24] <FlameReaper-PC> as a user, I must say, I really like working with Ubuntu a lot
[08:24] <ovidiu-florin> I've managed to switch completly to kubuntu
[08:25] <ovidiu-florin> haven't used windows in more than 5 years
[08:25] <FlameReaper-PC> Windows for a lot of things is a given, but some specific tasks I can only do in (K)Ubuntu because... it's hell of a lot easy :P
[08:25] <ovidiu-florin> I use it a little bit now for cross compiling
[08:25] <Senjai> I will never ever use a mac
[08:25] <ovidiu-florin> but nothing more
[08:25] <Senjai> ovidiu-florin, you obviously dont work in finance
[08:25] <Senjai> ll
[08:26] <Senjai> lol
[08:26] <FlameReaper-PC> I'm about to attempt a cross-compile of the gimp-painters
[08:26] <FlameReaper-PC> of the 2.7 alpha branch
[08:26] <ovidiu-florin> I work in stock marchet
[08:26] <ovidiu-florin> Senjai: ^
[08:26] <Senjai> really? Where
[08:26] <Senjai> What do you do
[08:26] <ovidiu-florin> Romania
[08:27] <ovidiu-florin> right now implementing the FIX protocol with Qt
[08:27] <ovidiu-florin> via the QuickFix engine with a custom framework on top
[08:28] <Senjai> What exchange do you work with in Romania?
[08:28] <Senjai> I know nothing about that country
[08:28] <Senjai> lol
[08:29] <ovidiu-florin> we have a relationship with a company in chicago
[08:30] <ovidiu-florin> kind of partners
[08:31] <ovidiu-florin> just asked simmilar on #kde, how would kubuntu perform on a tablet?
[08:31] <ovidiu-florin> or touch screen ultrabook?
[08:32] <Aknot> doesnt kde have some "mode" made for tablets and touchscreen
[08:32] <ovidiu-florin> yes it does
[08:32] <ovidiu-florin> but Kubuntu should also have Plasma Notebook
[08:33] <ovidiu-florin> from what someone from #kde told me
[08:33] <ovidiu-florin> how do I activate/use that?
[08:33] <ovidiu-florin> also has*
[08:36] <away> system settings -> workspace behavior -> workspace
[08:40] <ovidiu-florin> away: whooooaaaa
[08:45] <Aknot> pacino
[08:53] <jackyalcine> oh boy http://i.imgur.com/QJE2D1Q.png :(
[08:53] <jackyalcine> 6 hours for upgrade to 13.04
[09:03] <Aknot> did 13.04 come out already?
[09:03] <Unit193> 13.04 stands for April, 2013.
[09:05] <Aknot> lol i never realised that they were dates :D
[09:10] <ovidiu-florin> Aknot: I think it came out allready, or atleast a beta or something
[09:11] <Aknot> one of the ubuntu devs said that ubuntu might become rolling release after 14.04
 but Kubuntu should also have Plasma Notebook
[09:13] <FlameReaper-PC> you mean plasma-netbook
[09:14] <FlameReaper-PC> just sudo apt-get plasma-netbook. can't remember what's the package name in apt
[09:14] <FlameReaper-PC> but I think it's that
[09:15] <ovidiu-florin> FlameReaper-PC: what are you answering to?
[09:15] <FlameReaper-PC> ovidiu-florin: about your question about the Plasma Notebook (Netbook actually) UI
[09:15] <ovidiu-florin> away told me how to activate it, and I did
[09:15] <ovidiu-florin> my reaction was whoooooaaaa
[09:15] <FlameReaper-PC> I really think that with touchscreen keyboard integration
[09:16] <FlameReaper-PC> and a few tweaks to it
[09:16] <ovidiu-florin> it's allready installed by default
[09:16] <FlameReaper-PC> it can really be used for a touchscreen environment
[09:16] <ovidiu-florin> I hope so
[09:16] <FlameReaper-PC> I really liked that, though I'm defaulting to the desktop appearance
[09:16] <FlameReaper-PC> rather than netbook
[09:16] <FlameReaper-PC> using the netbook UI was fun though
[09:17] <FlameReaper-PC> wow, my college's connection when trying to use git is pretty horrible
[09:17] <FlameReaper-PC> guess downloading movies is all that my college's network is good for :P
[09:18] <ovidiu-florin> I plan to purchase a windows 8 tabled
[09:18] <ovidiu-florin> erase windows 8
[09:18] <ovidiu-florin> and put kubuntu on it
[09:18] <ovidiu-florin> opinions?
[09:18] <FlameReaper-PC> I don't know how it works though for Win8
[09:18] <FlameReaper-PC> best get an x86 tab
[09:18] <FlameReaper-PC> because if you get an ARM tab
[09:18] <ovidiu-florin> intel atom?
[09:18] <FlameReaper-PC> yes
[09:19] <FlameReaper-PC> also with a Win8 tab
[09:19] <FlameReaper-PC> I'd like to anticipate that the process of wiping Win8 out of it isn't as easy as we'd like to think
[09:20] <ovidiu-florin> not necessarily this one but something like it: http://www.emag.ro/tableta-asus-memo-cu-procesor-intel-174-atom-dual-core-z2760-1-6ghz-10-1-2gb-ddr2-64gb-wi-fi-bluetooth-4-0-microsoft-windows-8-white-me400c-1a013w/pd/E1LMNBBBM/?ref=nl&zone=box_43&unit=0.5&id=1027&emag_click_id=07ff0c8f621a6293c61e5614167950f0&ref=afs
[09:20] <Aknot> I had some small tearing on videos and on youtube videos. So i uninstalled ati fglrx drivers to see if its because of that. Now when i move windows they are extremely laggy and i still have tearing
[09:20] <FlameReaper-PC> if its anything like Acer's Iconia w700/w701 tabs then I guess the difficulties is as hard as installing (K)Ubuntu on a regular netbook
[09:21] <FlameReaper-PC> ovidiu-florin: that looks good, and doesn't seem to have any possible difficulties you might have when trying to install
[09:21] <FlameReaper-PC> but I suppose you might want to do some self-study whether you can even try booting a live USB/SD card session on it
[09:22] <ovidiu-florin> it's like a netbook without a keyboard and with touchscreen
[09:46] <mahesh_> hi
[09:48] <mahesh_> can any one please help me to resolve an issue with packages? I am not able to install any thing by apt-get command in kubuntu 12.04 LTS. I am getting error as : "E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution)."
[09:52] <lordievader> mahesh_: You have broken packages to fix this run: "sudo apt-get -f install" from a terminal if this doesn't work see the first answer from this thread: http://askubuntu.com/questions/141370/how-to-fix-a-broken-package-when-apt-get-install-f-does-not-work
[09:56] <mahesh_> @<lordievader> : Thanks
[10:10] <robtygart> I messed up my login screen, I deleted a theme and did not set a new one...  now I can't log in.
[10:11] <robtygart> I get this message Can not open /usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/themes/steampunk
[10:13] <mahesh_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1585157/
[10:13] <mahesh_> I am getting this error : http://paste.ubuntu.com/1585157/ can ny one help me out in this?
[10:14] <lordievader> mahesh_: Have you tried what I told you?
[10:18] <robtygart> Hello
[10:18] <robtygart> I messed up my login screen, I deleted a theme and did not set a new one... now I can't log in. Anyone have an idea
[10:18] <robtygart> I get this message Can not open /usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/themes/steampunk
[10:19] <invariant> I get the following message when opening a pdf file: okular: cannot connect to X server
 : I follow your path but not able to find out the exact command, here in my case what should replace " path-to-the-deb-file"
[10:19] <elliria> robtygart: This page might have some ideas that coukd help: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/517803
[10:19] <mahesh_> in want to install gedit
[10:19] <robtygart> elliria: Thanks
[10:20] <elliria> robtygart: I hope it works. :)
[10:21] <lordievader> mahesh_: Ah my error, seems that was the wrong page. Did you update your package list prior to installing gedit?
[10:22] <mahesh_> yep
[10:22] <robtygart> how can I enter recovery mode?
[10:22] <robtygart> I can't login
[10:22] <robtygart> or even see the login screen
[10:23] <lordievader> mahesh_: Try sudo dpkg --configure -a
[10:23] <mahesh_> ok
[10:23] <lordievader> robtygart: If you hold shift during grub you can select te recovery mode, it is probably under Advanced Options.
[10:23] <robtygart> no grub
[10:24] <robtygart> I only have one partition
[10:24] <lordievader> robtygart: You do have grub, even if you have 1 partition.
[10:25] <lordievader> !grub
 : I just tried it and found below
[10:25] <mahesh_> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:25] <mahesh_>  libwvstreams4.6-extras
[10:25] <mahesh_>  wvdial
[10:25] <mahesh_>  libuniconf4.6
[10:25] <mahesh_>  gnome-ppp
[10:25] <FloodBotK1> mahesh_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:25] <robtygart> Oh ok
[10:26] <mahesh_> please have a look : http://paste.ubuntu.com/1585269/
[10:26] <lordievader> mahesh_: Have you tried installing the dependencies manually?
[10:26] <mahesh_> yep
[10:26] <mahesh_> Package: libwvstreams4.6-extras
[10:26] <mahesh_> Error: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[10:26] <mahesh_> Package: libuniconf4.6
[10:26] <mahesh_> Error: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[10:26] <mahesh_> Package: wvdial
[10:27] <robtygart> lordievader: did not work
[10:27] <elliria> robtygart: Unless something has changed since I last had my hands on a real computer, you should be able to hit the Esc key over and iver during boot to bring up the GRUB menu.
[10:27] <robtygart> shift
[10:27] <lordievader> robtygart: Btw what happens when you get to your failed login screen and press ctrl+alt+F1?
[10:28] <elliria> over and over, sorry for the typo.
[10:28] <robtygart> lordievader: nothing
[10:29] <robtygart> Its asking for a login screen it does not have
[10:29] <robtygart> I have SSH access
[10:29] <lordievader> mahesh_: It seems to me that all of those packages depend on wvdial, and that one depends on libwvstrams4.6-extras... but that one also complains about something,..
[10:29] <robtygart> But I can't add any folders
[10:30] <lordievader> robtygart: Hmm if you cannot get to a tty then the recovery mode is the only option... I could have sworn it was shift during boot to get to the grub menu.
[10:30] <robtygart> Where to I press it att
[10:30] <robtygart> at*
[10:31] <robtygart> What screen
[10:31] <elliria> Last I tried, it was Esc.
[10:31] <lordievader> robtygart: After the bios. Simply hold it and see if you get the grub menu.
[10:31] <lordievader> elliria: Could be both ;)
[10:31] <robtygart> nothing
[10:31] <robtygart> Trying again
[10:31] <elliria> robtygart: I press it again and again until it works. :)
[10:32] <robtygart> got it
[10:32] <lordievader> robtygart: Great boot into the recovery mode, probably under Advanced Options.
[10:33] <elliria> lordievader: Possibly. (: I haven't been able to play with Kubuntu in half a year.
[10:33] <robtygart> What option?
[10:33] <lordievader> !recovery
[10:34] <lordievader> Hmm, that is not what I wanted.
[10:34] <robtygart> lordievader: I am on the recovery menu,
[10:34] <robtygart> resume, clean, dpkg, fsck, grub.......
[10:34] <lordievader> robtygart: elliria gave you a link some time ago, follow that I suppose.
[10:36] <robtygart> I don't understand what part of his link I am to look at?
[10:36] <elliria> It has some suggestions - the best appeared to be a way of booting with no theme at all. I get the impression from your error message that Kubuntu still thinks there's a theme.
[10:36] <elliria> <--- girl  (:
[10:37] <lordievader> robtygart: If the kdm config file can be found it can be adjusted to a existing theme, however I have no idea where kdm keeps its config files...
[10:38] <elliria> This was the part I figured could work: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/517803/comments/10
[10:45] <robtygart> lordievader: I fixed it
[10:46] <robtygart> Puppy Linux ROCKS!!!!
[10:46] <robtygart> I loaded puppy Linux and renamed a file.
[10:47] <elliria> robtygart: Good thinking! (:
[10:47] <lordievader> You know you could've done the same from the recovery mode ;)
[10:47] <lordievader> But it's a good alternative :)
 : I was disconnected. Can you please help me?
[10:48] <robtygart> lordievader: yah but I could not figure out how
[10:49] <robtygart> its 3AM its too late.
[10:49] <lordievader> robtygart: Ah, that explains it :P
[10:50] <lordievader> mahesh_: A conclusion I made earlier: It seems to me that all of those packages depend on wvdial, and that one depends on libwvstrams4.6-extras... but that one also complains about something,..
[10:50] <lordievader> mahesh_: What comes to mind it that they might be in a repo that is not by default enabled.
[10:51] <mahesh_> ok, so what will be the solution on this?
[10:51] <mahesh_> I am nopt able to install any thing due to this...
[10:52] <lordievader> mahesh_: Can you pastebin the file: /etc/apt/sources.list ?
 : Do I need to run it in terminal?
[10:54] <lordievader> mahesh_: Yes copy the output of: cat /etc/apt/sources.list to pastebin.
[10:55] <mahesh_> ok
[10:55] <mahesh_> done
[10:56] <lordievader> mahesh_: Could you send me the link ;)
[10:56] <mahesh_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1585473/
[10:56] <mahesh_> here it is
[10:57] <elliria> Did mahesh_ try sudo apt-get install -f
  : Already tried mate but not wroking :(
[10:58] <lordievader> mahesh_: Doesn't seem like there is a repo missing/deactivated.
[10:58] <elliria> Darn.
[10:58] <lordievader> elliria: Uhu...
[10:58] <mahesh_> ok..
[10:58] <lordievader> mahesh_: Try "sudo dpkg -r gedit; sudo apt-get -f install"
[10:59] <mahesh_> ok
[10:59] <mahesh_> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[11:00] <mahesh_> Do you want me to provide full screen print?
[11:00] <lordievader> mahesh_: Yes please.
[11:00] <mahesh_> ok
[11:01] <mahesh_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1585503/
[11:04] <lordievader> mahesh_: Does it give the message "no installed package" for: "sudo dpkg -r libwvstreams4.6-extras libwvstreams4.6-extras wvdial gnome-ppp"
 I think this one worked
[11:06] <lordievader> mahesh_: Now what happens when you run sudo apt-get install -f, it should not do anything...
[11:06] <mahesh_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1585539/
[11:06] <mahesh_> plese have alook
 Is it worked?
[11:07] <lordievader> mahesh_: Looks good, run the "sudo apt-get -f install" again, should not do anything...
[11:08] <mahesh_> ok
[11:09] <mahesh_> just tried : http://paste.ubuntu.com/1585554/
 : Looks like it is fixing now
[11:09] <mahesh_> ;)
[11:09] <lordievader> mahesh_: Well it installed the package. Be sure to update before installing gedit again.
[11:10] <mahesh_> sudo apt-get update
[11:10] <mahesh_> right?
[11:10] <lordievader> sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:11] <mahesh_> ok
[11:14] <mahesh_> it is asking me to press Y or N : http://paste.ubuntu.com/1585584/
[11:14] <mahesh_> Do I suppose to proceed? with Y
[11:15] <lordievader> mahesh_: There is a kernel update in it, ever had trouble updating your kernel? If not you can procede.
[11:15] <mahesh_> ok...
[11:15] <mahesh_> it is running now
 : I think this is fix now, all credit goes to you. I really appreciate your help!
[11:17] <lordievader> mahesh_: No problem, glad I could be of service.
 I would like to keep in touch with you, do you have FB account so that I can be in touch with you?
[11:17] <lordievader> mahesh_: I'm usually on here.
[11:18] <lordievader> mahesh_: I'm also on #kubuntu-offtopic for offtopic topics.
[11:18] <mahesh_> with same <lordievader> alias?
[11:18] <lordievader> mahesh_: Yes.
[11:18] <mahesh_> ok
[11:19] <mahesh_> you are from ?
[11:19] <lordievader> !OT
[11:20] <mahesh_> I am not getting it? !OT?
[11:20] <lordievader> mahesh_: Joint the offtopic channel for those kind of conversations ;)
[11:20] <mahesh_> ok, sure.
 Anyways thanks again
[12:56]  * wakeup is using a ZTE-BLADE running Android 2.3.5 (GRJ22)
[12:56]  * wakeup is using a ZTE-BLADE running Android 2.3.5 (GRJ22)
[12:57] <away> http://i.imgur.com/ohz7ox2.png look at the top right corner, the maximize/minimize/exit buttons have an awkward spacing
[12:57] <away> why is that, and how can I fix it?
[12:57] <away> this happens in every application, not only dolphin
[13:09] <hateball> away: You can edit window decorations
[13:09] <away> yeah, I just found the option
[13:09] <away> thanks though
[13:09] <hateball> away: ok :)
[13:13] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:25] <ed346765> people, I planning a ssd upgrade (probably samsung pro 840) for my laptop, is there anything I need to know, any problems or issues, I probably do a fresh install of kubuntu + multiboot of win7, any thoughts on this? thanks
[13:35] <lordievader> ed346765: Research how you can decrease the number of read/writes to the disk.
[13:40] <ed346765> lordievade: isnt that the feature of the drive (all new drives?)
[13:42] <lordievader> ed346765: Drive might cache, but still the OS decides how many times it will read/write to disk.
[13:46] <wakeup> İ just upgraded my kde veersion to 4.9.8 rc2 but now it shows the kickoff menu transparent
[13:46] <wakeup> İ mean the first line
[13:46] <wakeup> I created a bug report on ppa bugs on launvhpad
[13:47] <wakeup> Has anyone experienced this?
[13:47] <wakeup> This makes text unreadable
[13:56] <sbivol> wakeup: could you show a screen capture?
[14:00] <wakeup> sbibol https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1108813/+attachment/3505639/+files/transparent_bug.webm
[14:00] <wakeup> İ recorded a video
[14:04] <wakeup> İ hope u can view it
[14:07] <wakeup> sbivol: sorry i forgot to tag u
[14:10] <sbivol> wakeup: Yes, I've seen that on a friend's laptop with nVidia graphics on Kubuntu 12.10. now he's on 13.04 and no issues whatsoever with the graphics
[14:11] <BluesKaj> sbivol, I have a few "issues" with graphics on 13.04 , not sure if nvidia is at fault . i think it could be the latest KDE/Kwin
[14:11] <wakeup> sbivol: thanks can i rwvert it back
[14:11] <wakeup> Revert*
[14:13] <sbivol> wakeup: i'm playing with that laptop right now, and that specific issue is gone. as I see, he also changed his Plasma theme to a darker one. could you try that too?
[14:14] <wakeup> sbivol: thanks. İ will try that after going home :)
[14:15] <sbivol> BluesKaj: what kind of issues do you have? maybe I can check them on this laptop
[14:23] <BluesKaj> sbivol, system settings>user management crashes . I'm testing a new music player as requested by kubuntu-devel and it seems to not see me as part of the users and , but I'm the only user ,
[14:24] <BluesKaj> so i can't check the user management settings
[14:24] <sbivol> BluesKaj: user management is broken at the moment, people on #kubuntu-devel are aware and working on it. but that's not related to graphics :)
[14:25] <BluesKaj> yeah , well system settings is afaik
[14:26] <sbivol> BluesKaj: why would a music player need to know anything about users? seems weird
[14:26] <BluesKaj> and as I said before it could be the new KDE version
[14:26] <sbivol> BluesKaj: what player is it?
[14:28] <BluesKaj> Cantata , it appears to be like a PIM , optional database usage etc , with netstreaming capabilities , and music player daemon
[14:29] <sbivol> BluesKaj: sounds complex...
[14:29] <BluesKaj> clunky at this point and it just crashed when I changed the path to the external hdd where media is stored
[14:32] <BluesKaj> guess I need to link it
[15:24] <Guest13914> ciao
[16:09] <sbivol> BluesKaj: did you solve your problem?
[16:11] <BluesKaj> sb seems so i ran this, sudo usermod -aG users kaj
[16:11] <BluesKaj> sbivol,^
[16:12] <sbivol> BluesKaj: yep, that added user kaj to the group „users”
[16:13] <BluesKaj> that's where it had to be added , and i no longer receive the warning that I'm not in the "users group "
[16:39] <Preflext> kwin rules are awesome.
[16:45] <eshack> ok, I'm working on a Warning Label for Linux, I need a few more ideas.  So far I have, "Warning, Long term use of Linux may cause you to become addicted.  Look for symptoms such as:  1.  Clicking on things and expecting them to open before you have even thought about clicking again. 2.  Expecting a computer to boot up before you have time to pour yourself a cup of coffee. " … you get the idea.  Any more?
[16:45] <eshack> 3.  Expecting a computer to never lock up on you.
[16:46] <eshack> 4.  Expecting all Operating Systems to give you as many programs free of charge.
[16:46] <eshack> 5.  Expecting all Operating Systems to give you as many options to configure your computer.
[16:46] <eshack> 6.  A very negative Outlook of Microsoft Products
[16:47] <Torch> eshack: all these are the short term effects newbies (like you probably are) show.
[16:47] <Torch> eshack: i also don't see why this should be on topic on a kubuntu support channel
[16:48] <lordievader> !OT
[16:48] <eshack> Torch: oh, right, perhaps I should have taken this to offtopic
[16:48] <eshack> just didn't seem too busy in here, so I thought it wouldn't be a problem
[16:49] <przemek> hello Dears how to create boot iso with kubuntu 12.10 on pendrive in kubuntu 12.04 ?
[16:49] <lordievader> przemek: Download unetbootin :)
[16:50] <przemek> thank you Lord Vader
[16:50] <Torch> przemek: or run usb-creator-kde (which i have installed on 12.04)
[16:51] <przemek> thank you very much !
[16:52] <sbivol> przemek: if I'm not mistaken, you can simply write the ISO image with dd to your flash drive.
[16:53] <przemek> i use usb-creator-kde right now 40% :)
[16:53] <przemek> thank You all for help
[17:03] <przemek> what's ean oem install for manufactures?
[17:05] <petersaints> przemek: It installs the OS ready to be used for the first time by a new user
[17:05] <petersaints> like when you buy a Windows PC
[17:05] <petersaints> and it boots with an initial user setup
[17:06] <petersaints> asking your name,  set the password, etc.
[17:06] <przemek> so i can creat users on first start?
[17:06] <przemek> yep?
[17:06] <przemek> create*
[17:06] <petersaints> I haven't made an OEM install in a long time. But when I did that was the behaviour
[17:06] <petersaints> on the first boot it prompts you to create a new user
[17:07] <przemek> ok i will try oem first if i get any problem i will reinstall os again
[17:07] <przemek> thank you
[17:07] <eshack> I'm about 90% sure that is correct, it is intended for Original Equipment Manufacturers (OEM) to install the system for a new user.
[17:08] <eshack> 99%, not 90%. :)
[17:08] <eshack> It will be fine if you install it on your computer, though you don't get the advantage of setting up your user name and password during install.
[17:09] <przemek> all right
[17:17] <Aknot> IS there irc network for art/music/politics/culture and so on
[17:19] <KJ_agent007> most likely, aknot
[17:19] <KJ_agent007> you know how to get the list of channels?
[17:20] <Aknot> yes
[17:20] <Aknot> but i want network not channels
[17:20] <Aknot> i doubt there is any channels like that in freenode
[17:20] <KJ_agent007> ok, have you tried undernet or dalnet?
[17:21] <KJ_agent007> do a google search
[17:31] <petersaints> Aknot: http://irc.netsplit.de/networks/top100.php
[17:31] <petersaints> check if any of those is what you want
[17:33] <Aknot> thanks petersaints, its strange though that freenode isnt on that list
[17:34] <petersaints> Aknot: yeah it's strange. It's not on the Top100 but it's on on Top10 :P http://irc.netsplit.de/networks/top10.php
[17:38] <ethang> is it possible to read a 64 bit formatted hard drive on a 32 bit system?
[17:38] <ikonia> yes
[17:38] <ikonia> as hard disks are not formated 64 / 32 bit
[17:38] <ikonia> it's a file system
[17:39] <ethang> ikonia: I have a SATA drive from a bricked laptop hooked up through a USB adapter to my system but it doesn't recognize it
[17:39] <ikonia> that's nothing to do with 32/64 bit
[17:40] <ethang> ikonia: any ideas?
[17:40] <ikonia> depends in what way it's failing
[17:40] <ikonia> you've not given any info
[17:41] <ethang> ikonia: it just doesn't show up in available devices
[17:41] <ikonia> how big is the disk
[17:41] <ethang> 250 MB
[17:41] <ikonia> GB
[17:41] <ethang> sorry yes
[17:41] <ethang> GB
[17:41] <ikonia> just checking
[17:41] <ikonia> ok so in a shell if you do "sudo fdisk -l" you should see the disk
[17:41] <ikonia> can you verify if you can
[17:42] <ethang> ok I'll try it
[17:43] <ethang> not there
[17:45] <KJ_agent007> does the drive spin up when you plug it in?
[17:45] <ethang> KJ_agent007: yes
[17:45] <KJ_agent007> can you hear the heads moving?
[17:46] <ethang> no
[17:46] <ethang> but i'll try powering down then up again
[17:46] <KJ_agent007> then the drive may be doa
[17:47] <KJ_agent007> I had an old laptop the got dropped and the os crasked due to drive failure
[17:47] <ethang> KJ_agent007: I think I heard them moving
[17:47] <KJ_agent007> however I was able to use one of the 60 gig drives as a backup for awhile
[17:48] <KJ_agent007> till it finally went tits up
[17:48] <ethang> lol
[17:48] <axe> Hi guys
[17:48] <KJ_agent007> then I got a terrabite drive for 90 bucks from walmart
[17:49] <KJ_agent007> hi axe
[17:50] <KJ_agent007> if any partition program can see the drive then you should be able to mount it
[17:50] <KJ_agent007> such as gparted or kparted
[17:51] <ethang> KJ_agent007: ok
[17:51] <ethang> I'll try
[17:51] <KJ_agent007> cool cool
[17:51] <sbivol> TheDrums: on the Kubuntu LiveCD there is „partitionmanager”
[17:52] <sbivol> sorry, I meant ethang: ^
[17:52] <KJ_agent007> yup
[17:52] <KJ_agent007> kparted
[17:52] <KJ_agent007> and most rescue cd's have partitioning tools also
[17:53] <sbivol> KJ_agent007: kparted is no more, at least not under that name
[17:54] <KJ_agent007> hum, lemme check
[17:55] <KJ_agent007> ok the kde partition manager
[17:55] <KJ_agent007> it's basically the same as gparted but for kde
[17:56] <ethang> about to try it out
[18:02] <ethang> KJ_agent007: nope.  Kparted doesn't see it
[18:03] <ethang> I'm going to try the other hard drive
[19:08] <ethang> hey guys I am trying to mount a SATA drive in an external case on my system and I'm getting some error messages I don't understand
[19:12] <lordievader> ethang: What is the error message?
[19:14] <ethang> lordievader: dmesg | tail says sdc: partition table partially beyond EOD, truncated and more
[19:16] <ethang> ethang@phoenix4:~$ sudo dmesg | tail
[19:16] <ethang> [  680.143329]  sdc: sdc1 sdc2 < >
[19:16] <ethang> [  680.143332] sdc: partition table partially beyond EOD, truncated
[19:16] <ethang> [  680.143340] sdc: p1 size<PHONE_NUMBER> extends beyond EOD, truncated
[19:16] <ethang> [  680.143439] sdc: p2 start<PHONE_NUMBER> is beyond EOD, truncated
[19:16] <FloodBotK1> ethang: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:16] <ethang> [  680.144887] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdc] 122096646 4096-byte logical blocks: (500 GB/465 GiB)
[19:16] <lordievader> ethang: Not that I have much knowlegde of this, but it seems to me that something went wrong with the partitioning of the drive. Partition table is too long, or something.
[19:16] <ethang> sorry - flooded
[19:18] <ethang> paste.ubuntu.com/1586774/
[19:18] <lordievader> ethang: EOD probably stands for End of Data.
[19:20] <lordievader> ethang: This user seems to have (had?) the same problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2042807
[20:08] <przemek> hello how to format usb drive in kubuntu ?
[20:18] <lordievader> przemek: Use the "Partition Manager"
[20:19] <przemek> lordievader: thanks i have used disk disk utlily standard program in kubuntu
[20:19] <przemek> thank you anyway
[20:19] <lordievader> przemek: We are probably talking about the same thing ;)
[20:20] <przemek> lordievader: yes now i have noticed that :d
[20:25] <Pulicoti> i have cloned the hd with kubuntu 12.10 now i'd need to create a startup disc the grub, someone can help me please?
[21:24] <KubuntuGuest000> I keep getting an error message "Data files for some packages could not be downloaded " http://paste.kde.org/659492/
[21:24] <KubuntuGuest000> full message in link
[21:24] <KubuntuGuest000> I did all of that and no luck
[22:03] <keithzg_> Does anyone know if KDESvn can be installed without it's KIO slaves? And if so, how? I hate how installing it removes KDevelop's KIO plugin (which then breaks commiting via SVN, at least for me).
[22:04] <keithzg_> *its KIO slaves, sorry, grammar fail heh


[11:16] <ricotz> cjwatson, hi :), do you have a moment?
[11:17] <ricotz> due to some new build this ppa will drasitically increase in its size https://launchpad.net/%7Emozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages
[11:18] <ricotz> is it reasonable to increase the ppa size to 48GB or even higher?
[11:45] <cjwatson> ricotz: please request this sort of thing in an answers ticket rather than on IRC
[11:46] <pipedream> in 18
[11:50] <ricotz> cjwatson, https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/674592
[11:50] <cjwatson> thanks
[15:43] <teward> are the amd64 and i386 builders backed up?
[15:43] <teward> (I can't tell from my phone :| )
[15:43] <cjwatson> A bit, yes
[15:44] <teward> 'tis what I thought
[15:44] <teward> (build-testing a medium-level segmentation fault problem for nginx before uploading to the builders, and i386 and amd64 were lagging behind.  though it works fine on the other archs)


[00:58] <jarh> whats the channel spanish?
[00:58] <Unit193> !es
[01:04] <Strav> Anyone having issues with amarok mp3 playback on 16.04?
[01:08] <Strav> Also: kmail keeps re-syncing my davmail imap folder and fails to display signature images inline (anyone else experiencing this as well?)
[02:32] <JMichaelX> did a fresh installation of 16.04. seems to be quite hoggish when it comes to RAM
[02:33] <JMichaelX> i have 4GB DDR2 RAM, have Chrome open with 6 tabs, and amarok playing music... and it has been swapping a bit
[07:51] <Iloiny> how good an idea would it be to uninstall kde-pim package and compile from source?
[07:55] <valorie> are you working on the package?
[07:55] <valorie> or testing?
[07:56] <valorie> in those cases, or translation/internationalization, or documentation, it can be useful
[07:57] <Iloiny> neither atm, but inclined to since what I currently have crashes
[07:58] <xieyi> I just upgraded to kubuntu 16.04. the window title bar and border is alway missing after use it for a while
[07:58] <xieyi> have you met similar problem?
[07:59] <Iloiny> no that's not it for me
[07:59] <valorie> xieyi: no, I've not seen that
[07:59] <valorie> sounds like a kwin problem
[07:59] <xieyi> yeah it is a kwin problem
[08:00] <xieyi> in the last version the kwin could restart after the problem
[08:00] <valorie> Iloiny: probably better to report the crashes to the pim team and work with them on getting them fixed
[08:00] <xieyi> but in this version no restart of kwin
[08:01] <valorie> xieyi: you might ask in #plasma when the devels come online
[08:01] <valorie> keep in mind it's the weekend
[08:01] <xieyi> OK
[08:01] <xieyi> thx
[08:02] <valorie> Iloiny: the pim devels don't seem to use IRC much, so it might be better to file a bug or ask on their list
[08:02]  * valorie is going offline now too..... time to sleep
[08:02] <Iloiny> well I 've already filed a bug and basically the response is that it is likely fixed on repository
[08:02] <valorie> ah, ok
[08:03] <valorie> what we have in the archive now is 4:15.12.3
[08:04] <valorie> we'll be packaging applications when the newest Plasma is done
[08:05] <Iloiny> fair enough
[08:05] <Iloiny> when I ask if it's a good idea, I 'm primarily concerned if it would break everything
[09:03] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:18] <Vespa_Ferox> Salve! kann mir bitte jmd mit dem Anmeldebilschrimunter Kub 16.04 helfen?
[09:19] <lordievader> !de | Vespa_Ferox
[09:29] <Vespa_Ferox> anybody can help me with the login screnn in kub 16.04 ?
[09:34] <akik> Vespa_Ferox: what's the problem?
[09:38] <Vespa_Ferox> I'm joined inta a univention domain, therfore i can login with the domain members. the login screen shows all members in a scroll menue. is there a way to set up the login screnn to login with a username & password field? (sry my broken english^ )
[09:50] <akik> Vespa_Ferox: sorry don't really know the answer to that but i found the following https://github.com/sddm/sddm/issues/406
[09:50] <akik> Vespa_Ferox: it says that changing the greeter in kde settings could make it change to what you need
[09:52] <luc4> Hello! Is do-release-upgrade still the way to update to 16.04?
[09:52] <akik> Vespa_Ferox: lower on the page marcelrc comments that on kubuntu there are themes that accomplish this
[09:52] <akik> Vespa_Ferox: "sddm-theme-circles", "sddm-theme-elarun" or "sddm-theme-maldives"
[09:57] <Vespa_Ferox> k, thx,, bookmarked it, will try it asap
[10:07] <luc4> Am I supposed to have muon installed in 15.10? I don’t see it. Can I run sudo do-release-upgrade to upgrade to 16.04?
[10:09] <akik> luc4: i had to install muon in 16.04. it wasn't installed by default
[10:09] <lordievader> luc4: Yes, that is the cli way.
[10:09] <luc4> lordievader: I remember it was discouraged in the past. Is it ok to upgrade via command line?
[10:10] <lordievader> It was discouraged? Why?
[10:10] <luc4> lordievader: never known why
[10:11] <lordievader> Hmm, never heard that. And it works fine for me :)
[10:11] <luc4> lordievader: great, thanks!
[10:17] <soee_> gui anyway uses cli in the background :)
[10:37] <luc4> soee_: yes, that is what has always confused me. It is clear the command that executes….
[11:21] <mikkle> Does anyone know whether the 16.04 installer still crashes on some secure boot error?
[11:27] <akik> mikkle: if you're installing from the 16.04 lts image then yes
[11:27] <akik> i don't think they've updated those?
[11:28] <akik> mikkle: there's instruction in launchpad that show how that can be fixed. i'll get the url
[11:29] <akik> mikkle: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1529450
[11:43] <Elliot77> ciao
[11:49] <mikkle> akik: cheers
[11:51] <akik> mikkle: one thing i'm not sure of is that the installer talks about using secure boot and third party drivers
[11:51] <akik> i have secure boot enabled and nvidia driver in xorg
[11:52] <akik> so i don't understand why the installer says that i have to disable secure boot
[11:52] <mikkle> hmmm, i guess i could try installing it on a test partition and see how far the installer gets
[11:58] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:41] <Guest49997> daar
[12:44] <baby> ciao a tutti
[12:48] <baby> ciao a tutti
[12:48] <baby> !list
[13:32] <user|81831> Hi
[13:33] <user|81831> I have just installed kubuntu
[13:33] <user|81831> And then install google chrome
[13:33] <user|81831> But after it, google icon did not shown in application menu
[13:34] <user|81831> How to solve it.???
[13:37] <user|1239> test
[13:41] <newbie89> I have upgraded to Xubuntu 16.04 from Xubuntu 15.10. but have a problem with Qt applications
[13:41] <newbie89> that using Qt5, Qt4 library. All UI font size suddenly set to very small. Would it be possible to get some help?
[13:43] <BluesKaj> newbie89,  you can get Xubuntu support in the #xubuntu chat
[15:49] <s98259> Hello
[15:52] <s98259> I have a Realtek ALC887-VD soundcard which is semi-working with HDMI to the point that only certain songs on youtube can be played, I can't play any files on my computer and I haven't found anything playable on Soundcloud either. Via analog, everything works fine. I haven't found any errors.
[15:52] <s98259> Please help me, I have been nattling this problem for 2 days now...
[15:53] <BluesKaj> s98259, is this a recent Kubuntu installation ?
[15:53] <s98259> Yes.
[15:54] <s98259> My audio wouldn't work at all on Debian since forever, never found a fix so I tired out Kubuntu.
[15:54] <BluesKaj> ok s98259 have you installed kubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[15:54] <s98259> I will do that now but what does that package contain exactly?
[15:54] <s98259> Sorry, I am on a keyboard layout which I am not used to
[15:55] <BluesKaj> !kubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:56] <s98259> Btw, is Kubuntu part of Canonical or a third party?
[15:57] <BluesKaj> s98259, also install browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash
[15:57] <s98259> 'Failure to download extra data files'
[15:58] <s98259> Aaaah that download error was a fluke?
[15:59] <BluesKaj> the name Kubuntu is register by canonical , but Kubuntu itself is now being supported and developed by Blue Systems
[15:59] <BluesKaj> registered
[15:59] <s98259> Blue Ltljems_
[15:59] <s98259> Blue Systems?
[16:00] <s98259> No wonder why it is soo blue!
[16:01] <s98259> I have installed all packages and I am getting the same issues
[16:04] <BluesKaj> s98259, you may need to reboot and check alsamixer to make sure automuting enabled
[16:05] <BluesKaj> if automute is enabled use the down arrow key to disable
[16:09] <s98259> Still no luck
[16:12] <BluesKaj> no luck with what sources?
[16:12] <s98259> My computer has exactly the same symptoms and auto mute is enabled
[16:17] <s98259> Guys? I have never had good luck with HDMI, haven't used Windows since 2007 but the amount of HDMI problems I have with Linux distros has got me considering to switch to Windows
[16:17] <s98259> because I want access to good quality sound and clearly Linux distros are incapable of providing tat
[16:18] <s98259> Instead I get landed with Analog signals which don't sound as good to my ears
[16:19] <Javabean> i am using hdmi as my sound source, hdmi sound in linux is possible
[16:20] <s98259> Javabean: But it is hard to obtain...
[16:21] <s98259> I can't help myself anymore nor can Google.
[16:21] <Javabean> no, it wasn't for me
[16:21] <s98259> I have done nothing but wasted my time googling.
[16:21] <s98259> only to find other peoples issues and not my own
[16:21] <akik> i'm no hifi guy but hdmi is working fine with kubuntu
[16:22] <akik> it has that delay when starting a new stream that it's silent for 1-2 seconds
[16:22] <s98259> It winds me up. A good percentage of people are Linux users and not one of them has my issue here? Come on!
[16:22] <Javabean> all i did when i installed was open kmix -> select master channel -> select the option for hdmi, enjoy the sound
[16:23] <s98259> I have sound, sound works fine. The issue is I can not play certain songs on youtube, I can not play anything at all on my local system
[16:23] <akik> i've connected hdmi from my nvidia card to onkyo amp
[16:23] <akik> didn't need to do anything special, just install vlc and play
[16:24] <s98259> It doesn't work tho
[16:25] <Javabean> check what your master channel is... my setup is hdmi to monitor, monitor to amp/sound via 3.5mm jack
[16:25] <akik> paste the links that don't play for you. i can test them
[16:25] <s98259> akik: It is like... half of youtube...
[16:26] <s98259> This one for example
[16:26] <s98259> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcJ7zGrClJk
[16:26] <s98259> It plays elsewhere but not on this system. It actually plays, no sound
[16:26] <s98259> But then this one plays and has sound https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK1mLIeXwsQ
[16:27] <s98259> Sorry about my English
[16:27] <s98259> All the adverts play fine
[16:29] <akik> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcJ7zGrClJk plays fine
[16:29] <akik> do you have pavucontrol installed? it has sometimes helped me
[16:29] <s98259> Not over my HDMI port
[16:29] <s98259> I will install it
[16:31] <s98259> Why does pavucontrol say ubuntu sound effects are muted when they are not?!
[16:31] <s98259> ubuntu sound effects work fine...
[16:32] <s98259> *kubuntu
[16:32] <s98259> Fixed!
[16:33] <akik> cool
[16:33] <s98259> pavu fixed it! Thankl sooo much akik!
[16:33] <s98259> You don't understand how much I have been trying to fix this. thank you thank you thank you!!!
[16:33] <akik> in my laptop i noticed that if hdmi wasn't connected during install it was not visible in audio settings
[16:34] <akik> and it was weird to setup after connecting
[16:34] <s98259> Oh it was always visible here, I had to check DTS, AC3, etc in pavu
[16:35] <s98259> Wow orgasmic sound! Thank you
[16:37] <ShalokShalom> hi there
[16:37] <ShalokShalom> why bet Kubuntu still on 4, partly?
[16:37] <BluesKaj>  s98259 you still may need thefresh p[layer I mentioned earlier for flash content audio on youtube
[16:37] <s98259> BluesKaj: Flash works perfectly now
[16:38] <s98259> It was thos codecs in pavu that needed to be checked
[16:38] <BluesKaj> ok , good
[16:39] <s98259> Thanks :)
[16:39] <BluesKaj> for those who use pulseaudio pavucontrol is a must
[16:42] <s98259> More problems
[16:42] <s98259> how confusing
[16:42] <s98259> I can play the MP3's for jean michel jarre but not Benny Benassi
[16:43] <s98259> hmm, can't play for jean now either
[16:44] <akik> check the pavucontrol again if the output changed
[16:45] <s98259> I did and it hasn't
[16:46] <s98259> Closing firefox fixed it
[16:46] <s98259> sigh....
[16:46] <s98259> or maybe not... this is confusing the hell outta me....
[16:48] <s98259> So one set of MP3's work but not the other yet they all work on my other systems...
[16:48] <akik> do you play on vlc?
[16:49] <s98259> Yes
[16:49] <akik> but don't play on some other app?
[16:50] <s98259> The ones that don't work also don't work in other apps, same for the ones that do work
[16:50] <s98259> yet if I boot into another OS on my system, they all work
[16:50] <BluesKaj> vlc has audio settings that can get complicated when used with pulseaudio
[16:51] <s98259> There are hardly any audio settings in VLC....
[16:52] <akik> tools/preferences/show settings = all. you'll be surprised
[16:53] <s98259> WTH
[16:53] <BluesKaj> s98259, yes look in tools > prefernces>audio
[16:53] <BluesKaj> on vlc
[16:56] <s98259> I hate this GUI business, I feel awkward using it yet I don't know hoow to properly debus audio because I have only had to do it with HDMI and I couldn't get audio working on my primary OS partition (Debian)
[16:57] <BluesKaj> fs9 in your case the pulseaudio output is probly the one to choose and if you want hdmi then you need to use the spdif out for digital signals
[16:57] <BluesKaj> s98259,^
[17:01] <akik> s98259: richard stallman also hates the gui business :)
[17:01] <s98259> It is hsrrible... I feel for the poor guy
[17:01] <s98259> I wonder if he hates the mouse too
[17:02] <BluesKaj> linux audio is a messy business, and guis can help users make sense of the chaos
[17:03] <s98259> I just don't like being blindfolded by a nice pretty interface
[17:03] <s98259> BluesKaj: I noticed
[17:03] <s98259> I freaked out when I had to diagnose on my other partition
[17:04] <s98259> and as a visual learner, I hate it when people don't teach programming in a visual interactive way
[17:04] <BluesKaj> well, the cli is fione if you know what you're doing, but how many linux users really wnat to study enough to get a handle on it
[17:05] <s98259> but would rather make me pay for it
[17:05] <akik> s98259: you can control pulseaudio with pacmd
[17:05] <s98259> pacmd? That sounds new!
[17:05] <akik> yes
[17:05] <s98259> I love shiny new things!
[17:05] <akik> i don't know how old it is
[17:06] <akik> for example "pacmd list-cards"
[17:06] <BluesKaj> pulseaudio commands , if you use puilse, but I don't
[17:06] <BluesKaj> aplay -l
[17:06] <BluesKaj> does it
[17:06] <s98259> Wow, thanks for the intro to pacmd
[17:06] <s98259> It is nice!
[17:07] <s98259> I gotta brb
[17:11] <akik> the firefox forms element on kubuntu 16.04 haven't changed as they changed in kubuntu 14.04
[17:11] <akik> i'm baffled
[17:12] <s98259> akik: Don't worry about that, as nice as Linux is, it is still a jigsaw puzzle at times!
[17:13] <BluesKaj> Firefox is probly the same version and you have the same gtk settings for both OSs in system settings
[17:13] <akik> oh yes on 16.04 i have the breeze theme
[17:13] <akik> on 14.04 i have oxygen-gtk
[17:14] <akik> can i get breeze on 14.04 ?
[17:14] <BluesKaj> doubt it,need plasma 5 for breeze
[17:14] <s98259> Probably, some changes might need to be applied to make it compatible tho
[17:15] <s98259> There you go, plasma 5!
[17:15] <s98259> Good luck lol
[17:17] <akik> there's so many changes i'm doing after a plain install that i've had to start writing them down in a blog
[17:18] <s98259> Wow this pain and suffering, stupid tumour.
[17:18]  * s98259 reads the topic looking for a social channel
[17:18] <s98259> Wow nice!
[17:19] <s98259> akik: Blogs are nice
[17:19] <s98259> which is why I adopted a knowledge base for my business
[17:19] <s98259> Because I work with things like Xen and new technologies, methods, concepts and ideas!
[17:21] <s98259> and most people can't remember the technicalities of my business in one sitting, revision is key however but we need a central place to jot down what has been learned for other people within the company.
[17:22] <s98259> Centralization, organization and virtualization are key and the future to come.
[17:23] <s98259> But this is getting offtopic so I shall remain silent
[17:26] <BluesKaj> if you have an intel-hda audio chip then you can run your audio without pulse , which in some ways makes things less complicated, but more dependent your alsmixer settings
[17:27] <s98259> BluesKaj: Agreed
[17:27] <s98259> intel-hda is good
[17:28] <s98259> however the confusing thing about it is... that it is the kernel module for more venders than just intel.
[17:28] <s98259> Infact.... most likely your HD Audio soundcard requires it.
[17:29] <BluesKaj> s98259, yes ,but the chip will show themodule in alsamixer
[17:29] <s98259> I noticed that.
[17:31] <BluesKaj> s98259, or aplay -l
[17:32] <s98259> BluesKaj: Even lspci
[17:40] <s98259> BluesKaj: I am switching to optical audio soon!
[17:41] <BluesKaj> I'm using coax to my audio system DAC input
[19:01] <fuze>  what is the cause of this error when starting plasmashell: unversioned plugin detected, may result in instability
[19:03] <soee> fuze: well some plugin without version :)
[19:03] <fuze> soee: where can i see my plugins?
[19:03] <soee> better place to ask about it is: #plasma
[19:03] <soee> but devs are usually online in the work days 8:00-16:00
[19:44] <eluus> my kubuntu 16.04 wireless was working fine until just a few minutes ago
[19:44] <eluus> It's like wifi adapter doesn't exist
[19:44] <eluus> please help
[19:49] <kcroot_> Hi all
[20:26] <mht__> hi
[21:34] <yotux> seems like Ark is not liking zip files in 16.04
[22:17] <Startrek852> hi
[22:20] <clivejo> hi Startrek852
[22:21] <Startrek852> So, I have a question. Is there a way ro make mv write into a directory without overriding its contents?
[22:22] <Startrek852> *to
[22:25] <clivejo> Startrek852: http://askubuntu.com/questions/577035/mv-command-dont-overwrite-files
[22:35] <fuze> does kubuntu have multiarch?
[22:36] <Startrek852> clivejo: Thanks.
[22:36] <clivejo> fuze: mulitarch?
[22:37] <fuze> clivejo: https://www.teamviewer.com/en/help/363-How-do-I-install-TeamViewer-on-my-Linux-distribution.aspx#multiarch
[22:38] <clivejo> well there is i386 and amd64 arch iso's for download on our website?
[22:40] <fuze> clivejo: i got it
[22:40] <clivejo> if you run kinfocentre and look at os type it will tell you what you have installed
[22:40] <clivejo> or "uname -a" in a terminal
[22:41] <fuze> clivejo: another question, I want to Upgrade Kubuntu 15.10 to 16.04 LTS but the link at http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/ doesnt work
[22:43] <clivejo> fuze: humm you are quite right!
[22:43] <fuze> clivejo: what do i dooo
[22:43] <clivejo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XenialUpgrades/Kubuntu
[22:43] <clivejo> valorie: ^
[22:43] <fuze> clivejo: idk what that means
[22:43] <Startrek852> clivejo: "This page does not exist yet"
[22:44] <clivejo> sorry, Im pointing out to another team member that the page doesnt work
[22:44] <clivejo> hopefully get it fixed!
[22:44] <fuze> is there anything i can do for now?
[22:45] <Startrek852> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/xenial/release/
[22:45] <clivejo> I _think_ the upgrade command is "sudo do-release-upgrade -d"
[22:46] <Startrek852> or do-release-upgrae
[22:46] <Startrek852> or do-release-upgrade
[22:46] <clivejo> but try looking in muon updater
[22:48] <valorie> clivejo: what do we need on that page?
[22:48] <fuze> what does the -d flag mean?
[22:48] <clivejo> instruction!
[22:48] <valorie> the -d means developer
[22:48] <valorie> you shouldn't need it now that it's released
[22:49] <fuze> ok im going to let it run
[22:49] <clivejo> fuze: make sure your system it fully updated before you do
[23:05] <Startrek852> clivejo: I ran the mv --backup=existing, and it broke my directory tree
[23:06] <clivejo> what command did you run and what are you trying to do?
[23:06] <Startrek852> mv -v --backup=existing androidx86mm/* /media/andrew/androidx86/androidx86mm/*
[23:07] <Startrek852> trying to move android source code to a different partition
[23:08] <clivejo> well * will only copy the files in that level
[23:08] <Startrek852> I know.
[23:09] <Startrek852> All the source I want to copy is in that folder
[23:10] <clivejo> how did it break the directory tree?
[23:12] <Startrek852> gimme a minute
[23:12] <clivejo> for the destination you dont need a *
[23:13] <Startrek852> the askubuntu showed a * for both
[23:16] <clivejo> are you sure you want to use mv? ie move the files?
[23:16] <Startrek852> NVM, I fixed it.
[23:16] <Startrek852> Yes, I am.
[23:16] <clivejo> cp would probably be better
[23:16] <Startrek852> they need to not be on my home partition
[23:16] <clivejo> at least you'll have the originals if you mess up
[23:17] <Startrek852> I don't want to have the originals
[23:17] <Startrek852> I just want the off my home partition
[23:17] <Startrek852> *them
[23:17] <clivejo> oh right
[23:18] <clivejo> you could do that in dolphin too
[23:18] <clivejo> cut and paste, but choose not to overwrite
[23:19] <Startrek852> Yeah, but dolphin is slow sometimes, and with mv i can use schedtool
[23:19] <clivejo> I see
[23:21] <Startrek852> got it working
[23:34] <azure|2> Hello i have been experiencing a lot of plasma crashes lately with my second monitor. what happens is i log out and log nack in and my panel wont place on the second monitor it gets glitched and wont place on the top ot bottom of the screen. also when i do log out it moves to my first screen im using a nvidia card and open gl 3.1 in the compsitor. any help would be appriciated.
[23:39] <DarinMiller> azure|2: I have dual monitor system that is very stable. However plasma 5.5.5 is know to have issues, some of which are fixed in 5.6.  Watch for the xenial 5.6 backports ppa (https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports)
[23:41] <azure|2> ok ill keep an eye out for that to come up. i didnt have issues before the upgrade so i figured it had something to do with the compsoitor or something.


[11:20] <knome> Unit193, check your wikipage
[11:24] <micahg> so, meeting at 17:00?
[11:24] <knome> yeah. i'm not sure i can attend, but i completely think we should keep that meeting whatsoever
[11:24] <knome> somebody else who could chair that if i'm not available?
[11:38] <knome> micahg, you still therE?
[11:39] <knome> micahg, there seems to be a TB meeting at jan 12, 21UTC
[11:39] <knome> micahg, could you make it?
[11:43] <knome> maybe-ubiquity is most probably landing in precise for xubuntu :)
[11:43] <micahg> knome: idk, maybe
[11:43] <knome> ok
[11:44] <knome> i sent the LTS proposal for the TB
[11:44] <knome> and added the item to the agenda
[11:44] <knome> :)
[11:46] <knome> ok, maybe-ubiquity should be fixed. to all testers: can you check all the images tomorrow and see if they look fine
[12:05] <micahg> knome: BTW, I don't think we've had images since Dec 20
[12:05] <micahg> bbl
[12:05] <knome> huh?
[12:05] <knome> why is that?
[12:19] <astraljava> I don't understand. They're there.
[12:20] <knome> me neither
[12:20] <knome> :)
[12:56] <knome> pleia2, ?
[13:24] <micahg> knome: I don't see the images on cdimage.u.c
[13:26] <micahg> knome: BTW, at 18:00 I probably cannot attend
[13:26] <micahg> but again, not necessary
[13:27] <ochosi> micahg: what about the thunderbird-bug?
[13:27] <micahg> ochosi: will try to upstream it later
[13:27] <ochosi> k :)
[13:31] <ochosi> micahg: "later" as in "later today"?
[13:31] <micahg> we'll see :)
[13:32] <ochosi> k :)
[13:35] <astraljava> micahg: I still don't understand: http://paste.ubuntu.com/798202/
[13:36] <micahg> idk
[16:15] <nanotube> feature suggestion: put a link to the sound panel within the main settings manager. as it is, it's only accessible via the sound panel applet...
[16:16] <ochosi> nanotube: you mean the mixer? (it's in multimedia)
[16:17] <nanotube> i mean, the sound config panel you open when you click the speaker icon in panel, and go to 'sound settings...'
[16:18] <ochosi> yeah, but that's xfce4-mixer, it's also in the menu in multimedia > mixer
[16:18] <ochosi> but i agree that some people (especially coming from the windows-world) would expect it to be in the settings-manager
[16:19] <ochosi> it kinda makes more sense there
[16:19] <nanotube> hm, multimedia -> mixer looks different than that sound settings panel
[16:19] <nanotube> windows-world, kde-world, or gnome-world :)
[16:19] <ochosi> rly? maybe i modified my installation too much :) mind to take a screenshot for me?
[16:19] <nanotube> ochosi: sure. just a sec.
[16:20] <nanotube> http://imgur.com/9IV6r
[16:20] <nanotube> sound at top, mixer at bottom
[16:21] <ochosi> is this a standard xubuntu install?
[16:22] <ochosi> or did you have something else installed before (e.g. ubuntu)
[16:26] <mr_pouit> that's either "gnome-volume-control --page=applications" or "gnome-control-center sound"
[16:26] <mr_pouit> xfce4-mixer is tried after these two
[16:26] <ochosi> yup, so it's not part of the default install
[16:26] <mr_pouit> indeed
[16:26] <ochosi> i mean i'm not really opposed to putting the mixer in the settings
[16:26] <ochosi> it's kinda where it belongs
[16:27] <ochosi> but we should strive not to clutter the settings-manager too much
[16:27] <ochosi> otherwise it becomes useless
[17:10] <charlie-tca> For whoever is chairing the meeting today; I can't make it at 18:00 UTC
[17:11] <charlie-tca> However, testing is ongoing. I test the images daily, for the most part. Would be nice to have a few more people involved in that. Results are always posted at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/204/builds
[17:28] <Unit193> knome: Thanks a ton!
[17:29] <Unit193> charlie-tca: GridCube and I are still doing them (just later than you it seems)
[17:30] <charlie-tca> you documented a couple, but I have not seen very many on the tracker from either of you
[17:30] <charlie-tca> Even if they are the same installs, they need to be documented, please.
[17:33] <Unit193> Hmm.... I know I've done more than a few, and I have been trying to put them on (I could be doing that wrong I guess). I do them later in the day EST if that counts
[17:36] <charlie-tca> Anytime is fine. I will try to remember to look at the tracker more often. Maybe I missed them.
[17:36] <charlie-tca> Not being able to get reports hurts. It makes it vey much more difficult to tell what is being done.
[17:36] <Unit193> When is it too late to run them?
[17:36] <nanotube> ochosi: it is an apt-get install xubuntu-desktop on top of ubuntu :)
[17:37] <nanotube> so is the 'sound' panel from gnome? and the mixer from xfce?
[17:37] <charlie-tca> It is too late when the new image posts at http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ . If no new image goes up, it keeps the previous test results.
[17:40] <charlie-tca> Unit193: I will ask stgrabber to let me access the reports, then maybe we can figure what is really happening.
[17:41] <ochosi> nanotube: yes
[17:41] <Unit193> That'd be awesome, but it'd be nice if more could do it (see if I'm doing something wrong. I don't like the new system so much, but I do try)
[17:42] <charlie-tca> I know that feeling, too. It is very difficult when we can't see things for more than a few hours at a day.
[17:43] <charlie-tca> I do plan on moving my test schedule to the wiki, for all to see and use. It makes sense now that we are tracking using the qa tracker.
[17:46] <ochosi> reminder: meeting in ~15min
[17:47] <nanotube> ochosi: well... fwiw that gnome panel has a lot more options than the xfce panel. :) for one, it lets me choose hdmi output. the other day some guy came in and asked about setting hdmi output, i pointed him to the panel and he said 'i can't see anything like that here'...
[17:47] <nanotube> if i'd known it was a gnome panel, i'd have told him heh
[17:47] <ochosi> nanotube: but it's deprecated (at least gnome2 panel)
[17:48] <ochosi> personally i've never missed anything in the panel
[17:48] <ochosi> brb
[17:49] <nanotube> well, it came with oneiric install... so it can't be that deprecated :) (and iirc, it looked exactly the same from the ubuntu/unity side, so it must be a gnome3 panel, because i'm sure oneiric doesn't have gnome2)
[18:00] <ochosi> notice: i'll conduct the meeting in absence of knome today
[18:01] <ochosi> since it's my first time, feel free to let me know if i miss something or make a mistake (e.g. charlie-tca)
[18:01] <ochosi> #startmeeting
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[18:01] <ochosi> since we have no business from last time, i'll go straight to the team updates
[18:01] <ochosi> #topic Packaging and Development
[18:02] <ochosi> micahg, mr_pouit: are you here?
[18:02] <mr_pouit> I just arrived home, so I'm nto ready, sorry :<
[18:03] <ochosi> mr_pouit: shall we get back to this topic later?
[18:03] <ochosi> mr_pouit: or: when would you be ready?
[18:03] <mr_pouit> I don't have much to say anyway: the usual amount of bugfix uploads this week
[18:04] <ochosi> shall i say something about xfdesktop?
[18:04] <mr_pouit> (I need some testing to be done, so I need to follow up by mail on xubuntu-devel)
[18:04] <mr_pouit> mmh, as you wish
[18:04] <ochosi> ok, you can still post to the ml
[18:04] <ochosi> #info mr_pouit has applied some long-standing patches from bugzilla.xfce.org to xfdesktop for precise
[18:05] <ochosi> #info since it isn't maintained upstream at the moment (devs are waiting for the desktop to become a thunar-extension) it makes sense to patch it for xubuntu downstream
[18:06] <ochosi> #info among the patches is e.g. (rudimentary) thumbnail-support for the desktop
[18:06] <ochosi> micahg: anything from your side?
[18:07] <micahg> not really
[18:08] <ochosi> ok, then let's move on
[18:08] <ochosi> #topic Bug Triage, Testing and Documentation
[18:09] <ochosi> charlie-tca: any updates from your side?
[18:10] <ochosi> Unit193: anything from testing?
[18:11] <micahg> ochosi: see backscroll before the meeting
[18:11] <ochosi> micahg: thanks, missed that
[18:12] <knome> o/
[18:12] <ochosi> #info testing is ongoing, charlie-tca tests the images daily. it would be nice to have more people involved in that
[18:12] <ochosi> #chair knome
[18:12] <meetingology> Current chairs: knome ochosi
[18:12] <Unit193> \o
[18:13] <ochosi> #link Results are always posted at  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/204/builds
[18:13] <ochosi> Unit193: any updates from your side? (feel free to use #info)
[18:13] <knome> #info maybe-ubiquity will land on images tomorrow, testers note: please check if everything looks as should
[18:13] <Unit193> Currectly too big to fit on a CD
[18:14] <Unit193> *Currently
[18:14] <knome> yeah, but isn't that known?
[18:14] <Unit193> Should be
[18:14] <knome> micahg asked if that's a problem for anybody, and nobody said anything
[18:14] <knome> it's because python stuff
[18:15] <knome> ochosi, can you continue chairing for a bit more? :)
[18:15] <ochosi> sure
[18:15] <knome> thanks
[18:15] <ochosi> np
[18:16] <ochosi> #info Xfce have launched new documentation in a wiki (docs.xfce.org)
[18:17] <ochosi> #info From Xfce 4.10 onwards the help-button will point there, which will also mean no docs for people who are offline
[18:17] <ochosi> #link the docs are already accessible at http://docs.xfce.org/
[18:18] <ochosi> #info it would be nice if people from Xubuntu could also contribute
[18:18] <ochosi> #topic Marketing, Artwork and Website
[18:18] <ochosi> pleia2: you there?
[18:18] <pleia2> #info we're going to hold off on completing every single content update before going live
[18:19] <pleia2> #info there are still some struture things knome is working through, once those are done we should be in a position to launch the new wordpress site
[18:19] <pleia2> we should plan some time soon to review the final structure things
[18:19] <ochosi> do you want to send an email to the ml for that?
[18:20] <knome> i added some comments to the about/-page draft today
[18:20] <ochosi> i mean possibly that should already contain a datetime for the review
[18:21] <pleia2> we still need to get through some of the items we discussed
[18:21] <pleia2> once we're finished with all those we can toss it to the list for final final review :)
[18:22] <ochosi> ok, sounds good
[18:22] <ochosi> feel free to add an #action for yourselves if you feel like it (knome,pleia2)
[18:23] <pleia2> #action pleia2 to review outstanding structure issues and follow-up with knome
[18:23] <meetingology> ACTION: pleia2 to review outstanding structure issues and follow-up with knome
[18:24] <ochosi> ok, in terms of artwork there aren't really big news from my side
[18:24] <knome> well, maybe-ubiquity is in ;)
[18:24] <ochosi> #info ochosi plans to do a sprint to port finish porting Bluebird to gtk3 in early february
[18:24] <knome> that should improve the artwork xp
[18:24] <ochosi> true
[18:24] <ochosi> although i haven't seen it yet :)
[18:25] <knome> it should be looking the same as the ubuntu livecd boot process does
[18:26] <ochosi> never seen that :}
[18:26] <knome> hehe, me neither, but some testers maybe
[18:27] <ochosi> ok, i think that's about it from this section
[18:27] <ochosi> #topic General updates
[18:27] <ochosi> anyone? ^
[18:27] <knome> #info Xubuntu LTS plan forwarded to Technical Board
[18:28] <knome> i suppose that's it :)
[18:28] <ochosi> k :)
[18:29] <knome> i can take over now
[18:29] <knome> #topic Announcements
[18:29] <ochosi> ok, go ahead
[18:29] <knome> #subtopic maybe-ubiquity
[18:29] <knome> #info maybe-ubiquity has landed in Precise Pangolin images, thanks to cjwatson. Testers: Please test all the images ASAP and see if everything looks okay.
[18:29] <knome> #topic Other business
[18:29] <knome> #subtopic Review blueprints that need community approval
[18:30] <knome> #info New wallpaper: Some drafts still at http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/precise_wall/, any feedback appreciated
[18:30] <ochosi> should we vote on the blueprint?
[18:31] <ochosi> zebra is really really flashy :)
[18:31] <knome> probably not yet, as there isn't any serious proposals
[18:31] <madnick> i like zebra
[18:31] <ochosi> ok
[18:31] <ochosi> i thought we have to vote on whether there'll be a new wp in general :)
[18:31] <knome> hehe, right
[18:32] <knome> #vote New wallpaper: Yay (+1) or nay (-1)
[18:32] <meetingology> Please vote on: New wallpaper: Yay (+1) or nay (-1)
[18:32] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[18:32] <knome> +1
[18:32] <meetingology> +1 received from knome
[18:32] <ochosi> +1
[18:32] <meetingology> +1 received from ochosi
[18:33] <madnick> +1
[18:33] <meetingology> +1 received from madnick
[18:33] <pleia2> +1
[18:33] <meetingology> +1 received from pleia2
[18:33] <knome> #endvote
[18:33] <meetingology> Voting ended on: New wallpaper: Yay (+1) or nay (-1)
[18:33] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[18:33] <meetingology> Motion carried
[18:34] <micahg> +0
[18:34] <knome> heh
[18:34] <knome> :)
[18:34] <knome> too late
[18:34] <knome> #info: Ubiquity "application sets": https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/UbiquityApplicationSets has the spec
[18:34] <ochosi> again: does this really need "approval" (as in: vote)?
[18:35] <knome> yeah, i thought we could do that
[18:35] <ochosi> k :)
[18:35] <micahg> sorry, still getting used to IRC on my phone
[18:35] <knome> #vote Ubiquity "application sets" as described in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/UbiquityApplicationSets: Yay (+1) or nay (1
[18:35] <meetingology> Please vote on: Ubiquity "application sets" as described in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/UbiquityApplicationSets: Yay (+1) or nay (1
[18:35] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[18:35] <knome> frrt
[18:35] <knome> yeah -1 for nay
[18:35] <knome> +1
[18:35] <meetingology> +1 received from knome
[18:36] <ochosi> +1
[18:36] <meetingology> +1 received from ochosi
[18:38] <micahg> -1, seems like more work than it's worth
[18:38] <meetingology> -1, seems like more work than it's worth received from micahg
[18:38] <ochosi> micahg: what has to be done exactly?
[18:39] <knome> micahg, i'm working on it with stgraber who created this feature in the first place, and we can most probably cooperate much with ubuntu studio too
[18:40] <micahg> idk, I just don't see those delineations as useful to xubuntu
[18:40] <knome> i think accessible vs. normal is quite a good idea
[18:41] <knome> if it proves to be too much work, we'll vote again, ok? :)
[18:41] <ochosi> also: xfce-only/slim vs. xubuntu-comfy/normal
[18:41] <knome> mm, yeah
[18:42] <knome> i mean, of course there has to be constant evaluation against things
[18:42] <knome> anyway, is there something else?
[18:42] <knome> #endvote
[18:42] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Ubiquity "application sets" as described in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/UbiquityApplicationSets: Yay (+1) or nay (1
[18:42] <meetingology> Votes for:2 Votes against:1 Abstentions:0
[18:42] <meetingology> Motion carried
[18:45] <knome> #action knome to keep on investigating stuff under constant evaluation - if it proves to be a bit too much work, vote again
[18:45] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to keep on investigating stuff under constant evaluation - if it proves to be a bit too much work, vote again
[18:45] <knome> #subtopic Default shortcut keys: Sysi not available, will carry on one more time :)
[18:45] <knome> #subtopic Discussion and guidance on other blueprints
[18:45] <knome> anybody?
[18:47] <knome> #subtopic Open action items from previous meetings
[18:48] <knome> #action GridGube to gather a list of problems with QA tracker and get back to knome/QA tracker responsibles
[18:48] <meetingology> ACTION: GridGube to gather a list of problems with QA tracker and get back to knome/QA tracker responsibles
[18:48] <knome> #action micahg or mr_pouit to confirm xfce package versions in precise as soon as possible
[18:48] <meetingology> ACTION: micahg or mr_pouit to confirm xfce package versions in precise as soon as possible
[18:48] <knome> #action micahg to look at the thunderbird button issue
[18:48] <meetingology> ACTION: micahg to look at the thunderbird button issue
[18:48] <knome> #action     ochosi to investigate some cherry-picking from xfce upstream to ubuntu
[18:48] <meetingology> ACTION: ochosi to investigate some cherry-picking from xfce upstream to ubuntu
[18:48] <knome> pleia2, new sticker design is at wiki?
[18:49] <pleia2> knome: unfortunately the design didn't come out perfect on the stickers
[18:49] <knome> oh, okay
[18:49] <knome> so no need to copy the action item either :(
[18:49] <knome> #endmeeting
[18:49] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Jan  9 18:49:44 2012 UTC.
[18:49] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2012/xubuntu-devel.2012-01-09-18.01.moin.txt
[18:49] <knome> ugh
[18:50] <knome> ochosi, as usually, i can take care of the minutes if you don't specifically want to do it ;))
[18:51] <madnick> good night :)
[18:51] <Unit193> Good night
[18:52] <knome> night madnick
[18:55] <knome> bah, ubuntu wiki is damn slow again
[19:02] <Unit193> s/again/still/g
[19:08] <knome> minutes are up
[19:09] <pleia2> I should tweet meeting minutes
[19:09]  * pleia2 does that
[19:10] <knome> thanks
[19:20] <nanotube> Unit193: no need for the g, there's only one occurrence of 'again' :)
[20:28] <ochosi> knome: if you can do the minutes, that'd be great
[20:33] <knome> ochosi, done already
[20:40] <ochosi> ty
[20:40] <ochosi> btw, my cherry-picking-thing pends on knowing what version of xfce we'll ship
[20:40] <ochosi> cause if they decide to do a quick release...
[20:45] <mr_pouit> they'd have to do pre-releases first
[20:45] <mr_pouit> or release everything untested :)
[20:45] <mr_pouit> so imho you can assume 4.8
[20:50] <ochosi> what's your opinion on cherry-picking?
[20:54] <mr_pouit> ideally, small, bugfix, one-single feature changes ;-)
[20:55] <knome> i don't like cherries much, what about strawberries?
[20:55] <mr_pouit> ahah
[20:55] <mr_pouit> as long as there's not "rewrite $stuff" in the commit log :p
[20:55] <knome> :P
[21:02] <micahg> knome: can you join #ubuntu-meeting?
[21:02] <charlie-tca> knome: They are looking for you in #ubuntu-meeting for technical board review of Xubuntu LTS app
[21:31] <knome> yay
[21:31] <Unit193> Go well?
[21:31] <knome> accepted
[21:32] <Unit193> Anything else of note?
[21:32] <knome> not really
[21:32] <knome> no votes against
[21:32] <Unit193> Great!
[21:35] <charlie-tca> Okay, going now and rest. See all you good people tomorrow :)
[22:29] <knome> i'm off, good night/day all and see you later :)
[22:40] <sejens> Having problems installing with xubuntu64 11.10 + jdk-7u1-nb-7_0_1-linux-ml.sh. Anyone want to help?
[22:41] <sejens> Sorry... jdk-7u2-nb-7_1-linux-ml.sh
[22:42] <sejens> This is what happens:
[22:42] <micahg> ok, night everyone
[22:42] <Unit193> Good night, micahg
[22:43] <micahg> sejens: you probably want #xubuntu
[22:43] <sejens> Ok, thank you!


[10:29] <bkerensa> So
[13:28] <Wilson2B> Unity screwed my 12.04  . Causing refresh problems with desktop.. blanks out. Running unity from terminal shows errors.I went into software center and removed/reinstalled Unity and Compiz. No noticeable problems in 2D mode
[13:28] <quequotion> unity 5.16.0 does not fix bug 1025535
[13:28] <quequotion> i really had my hopes up
[13:29] <quequotion> also affecting unity 6.6.0
[13:32] <Wilson2B> Thanks, adding myself to the effected with problem group
[13:32] <Wilson2B> So people are thinking that problem is more to do with Compiz
[13:33] <quequotion> me too
[13:33] <quequotion> take a look at the bug description
[13:34] <quequotion> i don't think it's a problem in unity at all
[13:34] <quequotion> i've been on here now and then looking for help.
[13:35] <quequotion> one thing i heard, but don't quite understand, still has me wondering:
[13:35] <quequotion> unity was designed not to be affected by screen transitions, so it would be visible while doing things like looking at desktops in Expo or rotating the cube
[13:37] <quequotion> maybe compiz thinks the screen is in some kind of transition when the cube is transparent, and so renders unity above everything
[13:37] <quequotion> ...but that's just a theory
[13:52] <Wilson2B> quequotion: Sounds plausible to me.. better than I could have said it ;-)
[13:55] <quequotion> thanks. i wish it were more than a theory, but i haven't heard from anyone working on the code for quite a while now.
[13:56] <Wilson2B> Well, what did you do to bandaid?
[13:56] <Wilson2B> I tried uninstalling Unity, and Compiz - and reinstalled
[13:57] <Wilson2B> I think I did add a beta source for Compiz
[13:58] <quequotion> the only "workaround" at the moment is not to make the cube transparent
[13:58] <quequotion> which really ruins my day (actually this bug has been bugging me for over a year now)
[14:00] <quequotion> what version of compiz do you have? (in a terminal: compiz --version)
[15:20] <dmj_nova> Hmm...is polite constructive feedback on making web search in dash better welcome atm?
[15:22] <dmj_nova> I think there's been far too much of a shitstorm over it and none of it really focusing on the right questions.
[15:26] <quequotion> dash has web search?
[15:29] <dmj_nova> well the amazon thing
[15:29] <dmj_nova> it sends queries over the internet in the home lens in quantal
[15:30] <quequotion> ah.. haven't tried it yet.
[15:31] <dmj_nova> quequotion: There has been quite some unrest over this.
[15:31] <dmj_nova> But I think it's been for the wrong reasons.
[15:32] <quequotion> i've missed out, concentrating on pushing for someone to fix bug 1025535
[15:32] <quequotion> nobody talks about my problem anymore...
[15:33] <dmj_nova> It's not "Ubuntu becoming adware" because there are no ads.  I think the real issue is that the dash feels "personal" and people want a clear way to search locally *or* with web results.
[15:34] <quequotion> in the larger scope of things, seeing how things have developed over the last two years, ubuntu may indeed become adware... at the very least advertising itself.
[15:34] <dmj_nova> quequotion: I don't think it will
[15:34] <quequotion> i hope you're right
[15:34] <dmj_nova> Why do you think it will become adware?
[15:35] <quequotion> i see ubuntu becoming more unique, not more useful, in a lot of ways.
[15:35] <quequotion> it looks to me like canonical wants to make a brand they can use for some purpose.
[15:36] <dmj_nova> Well, there was a big sea change with Unity, which initially had a lot of regression usabilitywise
[15:36] <quequotion> i wouldn't call it regression, more like sabatoge.
[15:37] <dmj_nova> And yes, I think they're trying to build a brand.
[15:37] <quequotion> *sabotage
[15:37] <dmj_nova> quequotion: I wouldn't call it sabotage.
[15:37] <quequotion> you used the first version of unity?
[15:37] <dmj_nova> Nobody wanted to release something with problems
[15:37] <dmj_nova> I used 11.04 a bit, hated it.
[15:38] <dmj_nova> 11.10 was improved but still didn't like it
[15:38] <dmj_nova> really like 12.04
[15:38] <quequotion> unity was ready for initial release around the time 12.04 hit.
[15:38] <dmj_nova> 11.04 was like Ubuntu's version of Vista
[15:39] <quequotion> maybe even ME
[15:39] <dmj_nova> difference was that we got our "7" equivalent within a year
[15:39] <quequotion> it was really bad.
[15:40] <dmj_nova> That said, Unity makes a lot of sense given the political climate within GNOME and Ubuntu's plans for mobile.
[15:40] <quequotion> sort of.... still waiting for customizable options, personalization, some kind of screensaver implemenation, but then some of those are more GNOME problems than Unity problems
[15:41] <quequotion> i don't know what's going on at GNOME but it scares me.
[15:42] <dmj_nova> I think lack of customization is largely that options cost in code complexity and they've got enough on their plate getting the default perfected.
[15:43] <dmj_nova> I like customizability too, but good defaults are better.
[15:43] <quequotion> probably, but having a few options to fiddle with might even help people relax while they wait for things to get smoothed out.
[15:43] <dmj_nova> I've had horrible experiences with RHEL-based workstations that have shitty defaults.
[15:48] <quequotion> i'm probably over-thinking this, but I'm worried that this is a really bad time to turn users away from linux, and getting a bad impression from Ubuntu--which had a reputation for being newbie friendly--will do just that.
[15:48] <quequotion> GNOME going mad and a year of hell from Unity had a big impact on the community size.
[15:48] <dmj_nova> quequotion: Actually, the newbies I've shown Unity to were very pleased
[15:50] <mhall119> quequotion: I haven't seen any indication that the community size, for either, is being impacted to any large extent
[15:50] <quequotion> that's good news. since version 5 or so it's shown some promise, but still people get pretty lost at first (the ubuntu button isn't the "start" metaphor they're used to, windows don't minimize to the bottom of the screen etc)
[15:51] <quequotion> there was a bit of an exodus to Mint during 11.04, but Mint is also an Ubuntu variant.
[15:52] <mhall119> there was also an influx of new people
[15:52] <dmj_nova> Filmmakers using OSX love Unity in my experience.
[15:52] <dmj_nova> and are looking for an excuse to switch
[15:53] <quequotion> i heard the latest OSX got pretty good reviews. I haven't used it yet.
[15:53] <quequotion> ls
[15:53] <quequotion> oops
[15:56] <quequotion> did the numbers balance out? i hope so. we're not going to fix bug 1 without converts.
[15:56] <dmj_nova> quequotion: OSX has some serious memory issues
[15:57] <dmj_nova> not to mention its own controversies
[15:57] <dmj_nova> everyone is controversial these days
[15:57] <dmj_nova> except the ones playing it safe
[15:58] <quequotion> this is one of the points i try to make people when they ask me why i go to all the trouble of using an open-source operating system and open source software: avoiding shady corporations as reason #1
[15:59] <quequotion> *try to make TO people
[16:01] <dmj_nova> mhall119: what are your thoughts on the amazon dash search?
[16:07] <mhall119> dmj_nova: I like the idea, and it'll open the door for a lot of new features for users
[16:08] <mhall119> I also think it ties in with our device initiatives
[16:08] <mhall119> especially content purchases
[16:10] <dmj_nova> mhall119: Overall, I like the idea
[16:10] <mhall119> I actually watched Iron Man 2 on Amazon Prime over the weekend, because of playing with the shopping stuff
[16:10] <mhall119> I didn't even know they supported streaming video on Linux
[16:11] <dmj_nova> I do think it could use some modifications to allow for local-only home lens use though
[16:12] <dmj_nova> right now, if someone wants to use the home lens without uploading their usage history, they have to lose the shopping feature.
[16:14] <mhall119> true, but it's most useful in the home lens, so that would take away a lot of it's utility
[16:15] <dmj_nova> well, I never suggested removing it from the home lens
[16:15] <mhall119> making it opt-in or on-demand on the home lens has the same effect
[16:15] <dmj_nova> I'd like to see the home lens with the ability to be local-only or webby
[16:16] <quequotion> why not have a button in the home lens to activate/deactivate internet access? default off.
[16:16] <dmj_nova> that would be my suggestion, a simple toggle
[16:16] <mhall119> quequotion: same effect, the shopping lens is much less useful when you have to think about using it
[16:16] <mhall119> the primary goal of the Dash is to find what you want, without caring about where it is
[16:17] <quequotion> why do users have to upload their usage history?
[16:17] <mhall119> once we make the user think about and care about it's location, we've lost half our utility
[16:17] <mhall119> quequotion: what do you mean "upload their usage history"?
[16:17] <dmj_nova> everything you search for is logged by canonical
[16:18] <dmj_nova> unless you force yourself to think about "which lens do I want?" and select the files lens before typing anything.
[16:18] <mhall119> your search terms are sent to Canonical's servers, then forwarded on to Amazon and the Ubuntu One Music Store
[16:18] <quequotion> does that mean everything you search for in the home lens, in the shopping lens, or everything you search for in the dash?
[16:19] <dmj_nova> quequotion: the home lens
[16:19] <dmj_nova> you can avoid it by never pressing the super key but only pressing combos like <super>+f
[16:20] <quequotion> nobody uses those keyboard shortcuts. i have a hard enough time explaining to people that they can use the keyboard to copy and paste.
[16:20] <mhall119> the data collected by Canonical is all anonymized, and no identifying information is passed on to Amazon
[16:20]  * mhall119 uses those keyboard shortcuts
[16:21] <dmj_nova> personally it's a lot of mental friction to use those shortcuts
[16:21] <dmj_nova> mhall119: How do you anonimize filenames?
[16:21] <mhall119> I use super+<something> so much
[16:21] <mhall119> dmj_nova: IP addresses are anonymized, not search terms
[16:21] <dmj_nova> A lot can be leaked by search terms
[16:21]  * quequotion does use a fe custom shortcuts i created for some purpose
[16:22] <dmj_nova> well, I suppose the user could create a script that spams canonical with every possible combination of search terms so that nothing useful is revealed
[16:22] <mhall119> dmj_nova: but without it being tracable to a person, is there still a risk?
[16:23] <dmj_nova> So you search for "M Hall's resume"
[16:23] <mhall119> and what?
[16:23] <dmj_nova> or "top secret ______"
[16:23] <quequotion> or super sexy ____
[16:24] <mhall119> but again, if it's not tracable to you, what are you worried about?
[16:24] <dmj_nova> also, you are storing it with IP address information
[16:24] <mhall119> hashed IP address information
[16:24] <mhall119> technically the hash is specific to a "stream", not to an IP
[16:25] <mhall119> so if I search for "foo" then for "bar", each will have a different hash
[16:25] <mhall119> so you couldn't even tell that the same person searched for both, let alone tell who that person way
[16:25] <mhall119> was
[16:26] <quequotion> hashed or not, i don't like things tracking my ip. i never got into "features" that involve usage tracking, and i disable it wherever possible. this means some things are less useful for me, but i almost never feel inconvenienced.
[16:26] <mhall119> it's not tracking
[16:28] <quequotion> it's worth considering your original point though, there will be users who don't want to send information out into the internet for whatever reason--and they will want a switch to turn it off somewhere.
[16:28] <mhall119> yes, I agree
[16:28] <mhall119> right now the option is there to remove the shopping lens, and I believe there's work on a simple enable/disable option
[16:29] <dmj_nova> I'd think a persistent toggle would be a good solution
[16:29] <quequotion> placement is another issue i suppose
[16:29] <dmj_nova> and the toggle stays set at the user's preferred setting until they request the change
[16:30] <quequotion> does this toggle go in unity, on the dash, in the unity settings in ccsm, etc?
[16:30] <dmj_nova> mhall119: https://plus.google.com/101813889111560624054/posts/a3CNNkbkZRq
[16:30] <dmj_nova> this was a thought I had the other day
[16:31] <dmj_nova> It also has the effect of informing the user that they're searching online or not
[16:32] <quequotion> is it possible to have two switches, one to enable/disable sending searches out, and another to enable/disable online searching?
[16:32]  * quequotion understands that is a difficult sentence to understand
[16:33] <dmj_nova> quequotion: what do you mean by that?
[16:33] <mhall119> quequotion: how would you do online searching without sending search information out?
[16:33] <quequotion> i mean, one option to choose if a user wants their searches indexed or not, and another option that enables or disables searching the internet from the dash
[16:34] <dmj_nova> I'd think that if someone didn't want online searches they'd also not specifically want to send data out
[16:34] <mhall119> I'm still not understanding the difference
[16:34] <dmj_nova> If they do want web searches, then they *have* to send data.
[16:34] <quequotion> indexed/profiled/stored/etc. separately from being able to search the internet from the dash.
[16:35] <dmj_nova> quequotion: You're still sending the data out there.
[16:35] <mhall119> you mean send your search terms out, but with a flag that says "please don't remember this"?
[16:35] <quequotion> yes i know, so i suppose it's going to be indexed either way.
[16:35] <quequotion> mhall: yes
[16:35] <dmj_nova> and then trusting that the server will forget you
[16:35] <quequotion> nova: which will probably not happen....
[16:35] <mhall119> I think that the fact that searches can't be linked together, or to the user, is enough
[16:36] <quequotion> now can we do it through tor? j/k
[16:38] <mhall119> um....probably, but do you gain any extra anonymity that way?
[16:39] <quequotion> theoretically i suppose. you might be so hard to recognize that your search results would never get back to you.
[16:40] <mhall119> true, there would be maybe 4 fewer people in the world who could do that
[16:41] <mhall119> look, didrocks is already working on making it easier to disable sending out your search terms: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1054746
[16:41] <dmj_nova> yeah, tor gives you nothing unless Canonical's hashing is shit
[16:42] <quequotion> -offtopic: you know what i could use on launchpad right now? a function that showed packages as they were, all across the site, up to a specific date... never mind that..
[16:44] <dmj_nova> wonder what solution didrocks is coming up with
[16:45] <seb128> dmj_nova, https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/libunity/add-remote-disabling-support/+merge/126284
[16:45] <didrocks> dmj_nova: a setting in gnome-control-center that enables to remove all network access from the default lenses
[16:46] <didrocks> so no more suggestions in the dash, music and video lens
[16:46] <didrocks> also, no more software-center suggestions in the app lens
[16:46] <didrocks> (as there are some commercial proposal, like magazines)
[16:47] <quequotion> giving people this kind of choice will earn their trust
[16:48] <quequotion> sounds good
[16:48] <dmj_nova> hmm...would it be possible to be able to set this in the dash itself?
[16:49] <didrocks> no, it will be in gnome-control-center, the dash doesn't have this kind of functionnality
[16:49] <dmj_nova> like with the G+ link above
[16:50] <quequotion> perhaps someday there could be a settings lens
[16:50] <didrocks> would be a nice community project :)
[16:50] <dmj_nova> didrocks: well, there's already options for local vs remote in many lenses
[16:51] <dmj_nova> under filter results
[16:51] <didrocks> dmj_nova: yeah, this one will be global and persistent
[16:51] <didrocks> so different settings
[16:51] <didrocks> the filter are more to refine one search
[16:51] <didrocks> filters*
[16:51] <didrocks> not really to be seen as an "option"
[16:53] <dmj_nova> didrocks: does this patch allow specific lenses to do online search?
[16:54] <didrocks> dmj_nova: no, the goal here is to cut all online search
[16:54] <dmj_nova> hmm
[16:54] <didrocks> dmj_nova: as both are using the same server, the privacy concern applies for all
[16:54] <dmj_nova> Well, the same could be achieved via apt-get remove
[16:55] <didrocks> indeed, the complain is that it's too complicated, hence the settings
[16:55] <dmj_nova> didrocks: In my mind the idea is to give the user control over when they want to search online
[16:55] <didrocks> or that just one user on the machine want that privacy option
[16:55] <didrocks> not the other
[16:55] <didrocks> dmj_nova: in that case, remove the scope you are not confortable with
[16:55] <didrocks> and done
[16:55] <didrocks> same answer :)
[16:55] <dmj_nova> didrocks: do you use google plus?
[16:55] <didrocks> yeah
[16:56] <dmj_nova> So I frequently post things as public
[16:56] <quequotion> one big button is good. later, a small dialogue with a big button and a checklist for individual lenses could be put together.
[16:56] <dmj_nova> but I appreciate the fact that it's made easy to change the scope of my post
[16:57] <didrocks> dmj_nova: the lenses doesn't support that and it's not in the quantal timeframe. We are already breaking all the processes of feature freezes/string freezes and such to deliver that in a hurry
[16:57] <didrocks> quequotion: agreed
[16:57] <dmj_nova> didrocks: so this is a stopgap
[16:57] <dmj_nova> and it can be done proper in R
[16:57] <didrocks> dmj_nova: if people contributes to it, yeah, can be done in R :)
[16:58] <dmj_nova> didrocks: when can work start on R?
[16:58] <didrocks> the underlying infra would be there at least
[16:58] <didrocks> dmj_nova: well, if you want to branch out right now (or maybe rather tomorrow, when I'll have finish this), you can start this :)
[16:58] <dmj_nova> didrocks: https://plus.google.com/101813889111560624054/posts/a3CNNkbkZRq
[16:58] <dmj_nova> I'd imagine something like this for scoping.
[16:58] <didrocks> dmj_nova: the mockups/getting design is not the issue there
[16:58] <dmj_nova> didrocks: What are your thoughts?
[16:59] <didrocks> the issue is to get people to do the implementation TBH :)
[16:59] <dmj_nova> I know there's lots of code to be changed
[16:59] <didrocks> dmj_nova: the UI can work
[17:00] <dmj_nova> Just trying to feel out if that sort of scoping is an agreeable direction
[17:01]  * quequotion is about to logout/login to test yet another unsupported compiz/unity installation. wish him luck.
[17:01] <dmj_nova> work on GNOME's UI back in the day taught me not to go chasing things without checking if that's where they want to go :P
[17:03] <bernie> does anybody have problems with ccsm being unable to parse hotkey strings containing "<Super>" ?
[17:10]  * quequotion still has a desktop.. mostly
[17:10] <dmj_nova> mhall119: anyway, thanks for listening and showing that it's being worked on the the best of feature freeze's ability
[17:10] <bernie> quequotion: then i should feel lucky :)
[17:10] <dmj_nova> This got way too much of a shitstorm
[17:10] <dmj_nova> it's an important issue
[17:11] <dmj_nova> but there wasn't a lot of productive dialogue going on (relative to the shitstorm) because a lot of people didn't really get the issue
[17:28]  * quequotion is now using compiz 1:0.9.8+bzr3319-0ubuntu1 and unity 6.2.0-0ubuntu4... in precise.
[17:38] <bobweaver> more reasons too drop unity 2d http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po8nqy1PP_U
[17:41] <bobweaver> That took me 2 days at maybe 3 hours f programing a day
[17:43] <bobweaver> most of the time was spent on implanting the browser into the dash , wont play flash videos but plays webm great as the browser is wrote for  html5
[17:46] <quequotion> wasn't unity-2d already dropped?
[23:00] <ike> if wayland succeeds x, will unity run still with compiz optimized for wayland? or will it run as a separate thing using weston or a fork, etc? I'm guessing it's not decided but what are the discussion highlights so far....
[23:00] <ike> ?
[23:02] <ike> (that was a forgotten punctuation question mark, not an impatiently waiting question mark)
[23:30] <thumper> ike: I don't believe there have been any discussions around running compiz on wayland/weston
[23:31] <popey> morning thumper
[23:31] <thumper> hi popey
[23:32] <ike> i found some stuff here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Wayland
[23:32] <ike> "Where does Compiz fit in with this new architecture?
[23:32] <ike> Compiz will be the display server, using the Wayland protocol to talk to the clients. Ubuntu's Unity would be a compiz plug-in.
[23:32] <ike> In this architecture, Compiz would communicate with the kernel video drivers using the EGL+GLES2 and evdev protocols. So for getting "Wayland support" in Compiz, it means enabling Compiz to communicate with these protocols.
[23:32] <ike> On the other side, Compiz would communicate with the client applications via libwayland-server"