[00:31] <JontheEchidna> whoa: http://www.techspot.com/news/51834-latest-steam-numbers-show-linux-mac-gamers-almost-equal.html
[02:46] <apachelogger> who's still up?
[03:06] <bkerensa> \o/
[03:07] <jjesse> ne
[03:07] <jjesse> me
[03:39] <valorie> me
[07:34] <lordievader> Good morning, when is the testing for the Beta 1 release going to start?
[07:34] <lordievader> Image testing I mean, on iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[07:37] <yofel> if we don't use Beta1, then latest at FinalBetaFreeze on the 21st https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseSchedule
[07:37] <yofel> but our new ubiquity got in yesterday
[07:37] <yofel> so that should be testet ASAP
[07:39] <lordievader> The new Ubiquity is in the daily's, will test next week then :)
[07:39] <yofel> thanks!
[07:40] <lordievader> The new ubiquity has the redesign proposed in the mailing list?
[07:40] <yofel> right, it's the new UI agateau made
[07:42] <lordievader> Oooeee, nice.  Can you show a screenshot of it working? Curious how it looks.
[07:58] <yofel> http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/ubiquity1.png
[07:58] <yofel> another but, "Install Now", should be "Next" on all pages after disk setup
[07:58] <yofel> *bug
[07:59] <yofel> but it works in general
[08:00] <lordievader> To me that is a very sexy installer, good work agateau!
[08:55] <murthy> hello everyone
[08:58] <yofel> good morning murthy
[08:59] <murthy> yofel: :) good morning
[08:59] <murthy> yofel: woke up at 12 pm and 12 am - 2 pm power cut
[08:59] <murthy> yofel: woke up at 12 pm and 12 pm - 2 pm power cut
[09:00] <yofel> ouch :S
[09:00] <murthy> yofel: thats for daily
[09:00] <murthy> yofel: acute power crisis in my state
[09:00] <yofel> yeah, shadeslayer_ talks about that too
[09:01] <murthy> yofel: what happened to tomahawk? today i am going to take a look at repaking tuttorials given by apachelogger
[09:02] <murthy> yofel: oops autospell check is off
[09:02] <yofel> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+source/tomahawk/0.6.0+dfsg1-0ubuntu1
[09:03] <murthy> yofel: so it supports twitter and jabber ?
[09:03] <yofel> no, those 2 are still sitting in the queue https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+queue
[09:03] <murthy> yofel: feature freeze done?
[09:04] <yofel> yep
[09:04] <murthy> yofel: so tomahawk in raring wont support twitter and jabber?
[09:05] <Riddell> it's in the queue will still get in
[09:05] <Riddell> we're not that harsh
[09:05] <murthy> Riddell: nice
[09:06] <yofel> hm...
[09:06] <murthy> what is dfsg ?
[09:06]  * yofel goes figuring out how to make ubiquity's apport hook auto-add the kubuntu tag when the kde ui is used
[09:07] <yofel> murthy: http://www.debian.org/social_contract.html#guidelines
[09:08] <yofel> murthy: probably more useful: http://people.debian.org/~bap/dfsg-faq.html
[09:08] <murthy> reading it
[09:12] <murthy> Riddell: yesterday you asked me to remove some dlls and finally two folders. From the log you posted there was a command i think "unsafe-source" something like that, is it a script to list the unsafe precompiled files?
[09:14] <Riddell> murthy: suspicious-source  lists anything it doesn't know is good
[09:14] <Riddell> sometimes gets it wrong
[09:14] <Riddell> murthy: but apachelogger already uploaded tomahawk without the problem files
[09:15] <murthy> Riddell: what package does that belong to?
[09:16] <murthy> Riddell:  devscripts ?
[09:16]  * Riddell cranks handles
[09:17] <Riddell> devscripts: /usr/bin/suspicious-source
[09:17] <Riddell> yes
[09:18] <murthy> Riddell: it comes with the default system install ?
[09:20] <Riddell> murthy: um what does? devscripts doesn't it needs to be installed
[09:21] <murthy> Riddell:  I mean to ask, is this part of kubuntu-dev-tools package?
[09:21] <Riddell> no, devscripts
[09:22] <murthy> Riddell: oh, so the kubuntu image has the devscripts in it
[09:25] <Riddell> murthy: no
[09:26] <murthy> Riddell: it seems that devscripts is installed in my system and i didn't install it particularly, does any meta package install it?
[09:27] <Riddell> maybe  apt-cache rdepends devscripts   is quite big
[09:31] <murthy> Riddell: I didn't know of the rdepends till, thats the one i was searching for
[09:32] <murthy> Riddell: rdepends list contains kubuntu-dev-tools   , so it might have got installed with it
[09:32] <xnox> yofel: ubiquity's apport hook is shipped in the apport. I guess we should "announce" which frontend used in the debug log / dm or something like that.
[09:34] <yofel> xnox: we track bugs by tag, that's why I would like to have it in
[09:34] <yofel> just having it in the description or so doesn't help much
[09:35] <xnox> yofel: apport supports "pre-adding" tags, just tinker with the hook in apport package.
[09:35] <xnox> yofel: I wouldn't mind "xubuntu", "lubuntu", "ubuntu" tags as well =)
[09:35] <yofel> yeah, that was the plan :)
[09:35] <yofel> heh
[09:49] <yofel> xnox: that's actually pretty trivial if I just take the seed name from the kernel command line, which all images seem to have there
[09:50] <xnox> yofel: nice.
[10:24] <soee> new this looks nice and simple: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_qqjOMGlrI&feature=player_embedded :)
[10:24] <Riddell> http://blogs.kde.org/2013/03/08/re-blog-martin-gräßlin-reply-“all-faces-ubuntu”
[10:25] <mikhas> Riddell, but the discussion happens on G+: https://plus.google.com/115606635748721265446/posts/FoLgCcyqW3x
[10:26] <smartboyhw> Hey I'm back on desktop!!!!
[10:26] <Riddell> smartboyhw: welcome back
[10:26] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :)
[10:26] <smartboyhw> I should now package Rekonq 2.1.1 (Fixing bookmarks)
[10:27] <Riddell> mikhas: that's not a discussion, that's just aaron posting walls of text :)
[10:27] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yes please :)
[10:27] <smartboyhw> Riddell, and since it's now FF we are NOT going to put KDE Telepathy 0.6 beta in right?
[10:30] <mikhas> I have enjoyed reading his walls of text, at least recently.
[10:30] <Riddell> smartboyhw: depends if someone asks nicely, slangasek said there was room for being lenient
[10:30] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ok. I don't want betas in for now I think
[10:30] <mikhas> (and I think it's important that someone takes the time to write out what others feel/think too)
[10:30] <mikhas> *down
[10:31] <mikhas> that being said, I hope aseigo will never start a newspaper - it would weight 3kg per issue ;-)
[10:32] <Riddell> smartboyhw: why not?
[10:33] <smartboyhw> Riddell, um it's "Feature Freeze" and new beta releases means new features:P
[10:33] <afiestas> anywhere from where I can install latest QtQwebkit RC ?
[10:41] <Riddell> smartboyhw: beta generally means features are done and are being stabalised
[10:41] <Riddell> afiestas: Qt 4 or 5?
[10:41] <afiestas> Qt4
[10:42] <Riddell> afiestas: it's in raring-proposed https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtwebkit-source
[10:42] <Riddell> but powerpc being problematic
[10:42] <afiestas> Riddell: can we package it fort quantal? is important we test it
[10:43] <Riddell> afiestas: yeah I can put it in the experimental PPA if you think that's useful
[10:43] <afiestas> Riddell: well, if nobody test it then it won't be polished
[10:43] <smartboyhw> yofel, so is it that you want me to upload packages using urgency=medium?
[10:43] <afiestas> I mean, compiling QtWebkit takes some guts, not even I do it... so packages will be useful
[10:44] <Riddell> one has to be gutsy as a packager :)
[10:44] <smartboyhw> Riddell, !?
[10:44] <Riddell> smartboyhw: why would you do that?
[10:45] <smartboyhw> Riddell, well I have forgotten what yofel actually meant
[10:45] <smartboyhw> He did once told me to use medium. Probably for Kubuntu PPAs only though
[10:45] <yofel> yeah, only PPA's
[10:45] <smartboyhw> yofel, OK:P
[10:45] <yofel> so apt doesn't get screwed by the architecture builds being out of sync
[10:45] <yofel> skipping build queue helps ^^
[10:45] <smartboyhw> lol
[10:50]  * Riddell reposts http://blogs.kde.org/2013/03/08/re-blog-pau-garcia-i-quiles-mark’s-divisive-leadership
[10:50] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yeah
[10:54] <jussi> Quintasan: I was nice to him...
[10:55] <smartboyhw> Riddell, so seriously: You really want KDE Telepathy 0.6 beta (0.5.80) to be packaged into Raring (i.e. filing an FFe?)
[10:56] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yes indeed
[10:56] <smartboyhw> Well OK
[10:56] <Riddell> smartboyhw: you're onto it?
[10:56]  * smartboyhw needs to learn the FFe bug filing process
[10:56] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yep
[10:56] <Riddell> excellent, cookies for you
[10:56] <smartboyhw> Riddell, LOL
[10:57] <smartboyhw> Wow who uploaded plasmate?
[10:57] <smartboyhw> It's Riddell !
[10:57] <smartboyhw> LD
[10:57] <smartboyhw> :D
[10:58] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I'm closing the Bug 1147193 (You forgotten to)
[10:58] <smartboyhw> And wasn't the assignee yofel?
[10:58] <Riddell> smartboyhw: oh thanks, my bad
[10:58] <Riddell> smartboyhw: he got distracted
[10:58] <Riddell> I needed a distraction
[10:59] <smartboyhw> Riddell, LOL
[10:59] <Riddell> it was a fair swap :)
[10:59] <smartboyhw> Riddell, LOL
[11:01] <smartboyhw> Riddell, what reason do I write for telepathy FFe bug? Since it needs a "state the reason why you feel it is necessary"
[11:01] <smartboyhw> .........
[11:02] <Riddell> smartboyhw: expected feature for raring
[11:02] <Riddell> released by upstream especially for us
[11:02] <smartboyhw> Riddell, really!
[11:02] <smartboyhw> ;D
[11:03] <smartboyhw> Riddell, BTW Bug 1147193 has a "Kubuntu PPA" thing you want to deal with it too?
[11:05] <Riddell> smartboyhw: hmm I'm not sure what that means
[11:05] <Riddell> I don't think it's in a PPA
[11:05] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ask yofel :P
[11:06] <yofel> it is not
[11:06] <yofel> that's the problem ^^
[11:06] <yofel> Riddell: the point is adding it to the 4.10 backports
[11:06] <Riddell> yofel: which one would you put it in?
[11:06] <Riddell> yofel: ok I'll look at that now
[11:06] <smartboyhw> Riddell, https://code.launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/ubuntu/raring/rekonq/2.2.1-0ubuntu1-1st-upload/+merge/152377
[11:07] <Riddell> oh if I don't get distracted by smartboyhw first
[11:08] <smartboyhw> Riddell, LOL
[11:08] <yofel> lol
[11:08] <smartboyhw> Riddell, BTW what versioning scheme should I use for telepathy? 0.5.80ubuntu1 or 0.5.80-0ubuntu1 ?
[11:08] <yofel> too easy, isn't it? :D
[11:09] <smartboyhw> yofel, LOL
[11:09] <Riddell> smartboyhw: 0.5.80-0ubuntu1 surely, why would you not?
[11:09] <smartboyhw> Riddell, look at "The Raring Ringtail" version of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde-telepathy
[11:09] <Riddell> smartboyhw: meta is our own package
[11:10] <Riddell> the rest come from upstream
[11:10] <Riddell> so that's the difference
[11:10] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK
[11:12] <apachelogger> Riddell, murthy_: btw, http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/scripts/deb-sourcecheck had a better algorithm than suspicious-source last I checked
[11:12] <apachelogger> i..e it yields no false positives, whereas suspicious-source likes to do exactly that
[11:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: considered getting that into devscripts and telling archive admins about it?
[11:14] <apachelogger> welll it is ruby :P
[11:14] <Riddell> controvetial!
[11:14] <apachelogger> suspicious-source could be haxx0red to feature the same logi though ^^
[11:15] <apachelogger> I mean, it's really simply ... whitelist source file extensions and then run `file` and strip evyerthing that is text
[11:16] <apachelogger> I just don't feel like touching the python codez :P
[11:16] <apachelogger> Riddell, yofel, shadeslayer_: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/video.mkv
[11:16]  * apachelogger thinks the fact that lightdm&ksplash match with neither ply nor plasma makes the background changes there a bit pointless
[11:17] <apachelogger> also since the grey thing doesn't work well with the rainbow thing of plasma
[11:17] <apachelogger> afiestas: ^
[11:17] <apachelogger> input welcome
[11:18] <Riddell> apachelogger: blinger and blingerer
[11:21] <apachelogger> ph
[11:21] <apachelogger> oh
[11:21] <smartboyhw> Riddell, hmm diff of the Upstream ChangeLog (not debian/changelog) how to do that?
[11:21] <apachelogger> new ubiquity already landed on iso?
[11:21] <smartboyhw> Does it mean I need to download the actuall repos?
[11:22] <afiestas> apachelogger: awesome
[11:22] <Riddell> smartboyhw: find their release notes or changelog
[11:22] <Riddell> smartboyhw: pointing to d_ed's blog probably fine
[11:22] <Riddell> apachelogger: should be was uploaded yesterday and I see yofel filing bugs already
[11:23] <apachelogger> neato
[11:23]  * apachelogger zsyncs
[11:23] <yofel> bug 1152493 - if you want to do anything else than see it crashing
[11:23] <smartboyhw> Riddell, still wondering: How about the *ACTUAL* Release where do they land?
[11:24] <smartboyhw> Not the meta
[11:24] <yofel> trivial fix
[11:24] <smartboyhw> Ignore that question:P
[11:24] <Riddell> smartboyhw: I'm not sure what you mean, they land whereever you throw them
[11:24] <smartboyhw> Riddell, no I mean do I have to explicitly update EVERY ktp packages?
[11:25] <smartboyhw> That would mean filing dozens of FFe(s)...................
[11:26] <apachelogger> ohm
[11:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you have a HDD based device with intel graphics
[11:26] <apachelogger> ?
[11:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: yep, main laptop
[11:35] <shadeslayer_> smartboyhw: are you working on ktp?
[11:36] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer_, yes why?
[11:36] <shadeslayer_> I already have them up
[11:36] <shadeslayer_> https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly
[11:36] <shadeslayer_> meta package needs some minor fixing
[11:37] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer_, !?
[11:37] <smartboyhw> That's hell quick
[11:37] <shadeslayer_> already done last night
[11:37] <shadeslayer_> but then my internets got cut
[11:37] <shadeslayer_> so I couldn't make FF
[11:37] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer_, tell us earlier......:P Anyway I fixed meta already.....
[11:37] <shadeslayer_> I think I did?
[11:37] <shadeslayer_> see trello
[11:38] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer_, what do you mean by it needed minor fixing....
[11:38] <smartboyhw> ?
[11:38] <shadeslayer_> the meta package depends on things that were dropped
[11:38] <shadeslayer_> presence applet and stuff
[11:38] <RichiH> this may be heresy, but why is the ubuntu community at large still dealing with all the fall-out instead of forking off or, preferably, simply moving their work to Debian where there's an actual meritocracy in place?
[11:38] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer_, ok
[11:39] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer_, you want me to fix or?
[11:39] <shadeslayer_> smartboyhw: anyway, I have to go, please file a FFe so that we can get ktp in
[11:39] <shadeslayer_> smartboyhw: simple fix, will do once I get back
[11:39] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer_, don't we need to file multiple FFe(s)?
[11:39] <smartboyhw> For each seperate source packages
[11:39] <shadeslayer_> nah, just file one against the meta package
[11:39] <shadeslayer_> will be enough
[11:40] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer_, and I need build logs + install logs + NEWS (just like in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess) :P
[11:40] <shadeslayer_> anyway, bye
[11:40] <shadeslayer_> all in the PPA
[11:40] <shadeslayer_> see David's blog for other things
[11:40] <shadeslayer_> and it still needs QA
[11:40] <shadeslayer_> so no install logs yet, just say we're working on it
[11:41] <shadeslayer_> ok seriously, bye
[11:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: in the video there is a second of black between plymouth and lightdm, it would be awesome if you could check whether you get that too ... my laptop boots from an SSD and doesn't have it so either the two pieces of software refuse to do a clean handover in vbox, or it comes from lightdm telling plymouth to quit before lightdm-kde actually is ready for the UI (e.g. qml asset loading is not done).
[11:46] <Riddell> RichiH: forking is non-trivial socially and technically
[11:47] <Riddell> RichiH: what problem would that fix?
[11:48] <Riddell> RichiH: there's good arguments for a rolling release, lack of UDS is a shame but Debian doesn't have UDS either, Mir may either go away or hopefully not be a problem when it arrives
[11:52] <apachelogger> using nano is really no fun at all -.-
[11:53] <Riddell> apachelogger: it's my third favourite editor
[11:56] <apachelogger> :O
[11:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: it has ^W for search....
[11:57] <apachelogger> oh lol
[11:57] <apachelogger> I always forget to set a sane ram amount on qemu
[12:00] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/03/08/plasma-desktopxJ2251.png
[12:00] <apachelogger> that doesn't look right
[12:00] <Darkwing> It looks a little... Tall
[12:00] <Darkwing> Morning.
[12:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm, something missing there
[12:04] <apachelogger> can't get it to look right it appears
[12:04] <apachelogger> at least a spacer in the left hand column is missing
[12:04] <apachelogger> i.e. I think the text needs to be squeezed up and the button forced down
[12:06] <apachelogger> oh also, being my usual out of touch me.... those laptop icons are ancient perhaps we  should update them :P
[12:07] <Riddell> are there newer oxygen ones?
[12:07] <apachelogger> yeah
[12:07] <apachelogger> oxygen displays usually have black/darkgrey framing
[12:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/03/08/computer-laptop.png
[12:08] <apachelogger> same applies to *display.png, tablet, phones and variations thereof
[12:15] <apachelogger> oh
[12:15] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/03/08/plasma-desktopoB2251.png
[12:15] <apachelogger> if that is the ui it is built from I see the problem
[12:16] <apachelogger> when that qwidget is empty it has no size and therefore layout is messed up

[12:18] <Riddell> apachelogger: your guess seems probable
[12:19] <Riddell> apachelogger: throw a spacer in there?
[12:19] <apachelogger> the widget is in a layout so maybe simply setting a different size policy may work
[12:19] <smartboyhw> Riddell: The Rekonq merge?:P
[12:19] <apachelogger> i.e. the layout is preferred/minimum so it would appear reasonable that it occupies no space whenthe widget has no sizehint
[12:20]  * apachelogger tries to gammaray
[12:20] <Riddell> smartboyhw: I uploaded it
[12:20] <smartboyhw> Riddell yeah:)
[12:21] <apachelogger> can't gammaray pyqt :(
[12:26] <apachelogger> the ui file stuff is a real nightmare -.-
[12:27] <smartboyhw> LOL
[12:30] <apachelogger> hm
[12:31] <apachelogger> this would be soooooooooooooooooooooooo much eaiser to debug if I could gammaray it
[12:31] <apachelogger> -.-
[12:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/03/08/plasma-desktopfH2251.png
[12:33] <Riddell> apachelogger: awooga
[12:36] <apachelogger> it's really not readable though
[12:36] <apachelogger> I think this needs some redesign
[12:37] <apachelogger> anything that contains text should be fixed with really
[12:38] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/03/08/plasma-desktopwY2251.png
[12:38] <apachelogger> also too wide IMO
[12:38] <apachelogger> yofel, xnox: btw, the proposed fix for bug 1152493 will make every page after disk setup say "install now" which makes no sense...
[12:39] <yofel> ah, ok, then I know how *that* happenend...
[12:39] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/03/08/plasma-desktopNa2251.png
[12:39] <apachelogger> and empty button hooray
[12:42] <apachelogger> xnox, yofel, Riddell: lp:~apachelogger/ubiquity/raringfixes fix for the greeter layout bug
[12:43] <apachelogger> and it appears the slideshow is broken, been stuck at http://wstaw.org/m/2013/03/08/plasma-desktopNa2251.png since I posted that screenshot
[12:54] <smartboyhw> Riddell, look at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu and I'm happy to tell you that your Launchpad karma for Ubuntu project has exceeded 100000 karma:)
[12:54] <smartboyhw> ~karma Riddell
[12:54] <kubotu> Riddell has neutral karma
[12:57] <Darkwing> people still look at karma? :P:P
[12:57] <smartboyhw> Darkwing, LOL
[12:57] <Riddell> awooga!
[12:58]  * Riddell goes to lunch with his karma
[12:58] <smartboyhw> Riddell, LOL
[12:58] <smartboyhw> Riddell, you want me to package kde-gtk-config 2.2rc1 !?
[12:59] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer_, anytime please play with Bug 1152567 and set it back to new after you've finished fixing and such
[13:14] <yofel> wait what, why am I on the front page o.O
[13:14] <smartboyhw> yofel, of what?
[13:14] <yofel> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu
[13:15] <yofel> below Riddell :D
[13:15] <smartboyhw> yofel, XD
[13:15] <smartboyhw> Long way to go thuogh
[13:15] <ovidiu-florin> hello world :D
[13:15] <smartboyhw> Hello ovidiu-florin
[13:15] <yofel> I remember when they fixed translation imports giving shitloads of karma
[13:15] <ovidiu-florin> I submitted my first KDE bug fix last night :D
[13:15] <yofel> seems like soyuz needs some adjusting too
[13:16] <smartboyhw> yofel, :D
[13:16] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, yeah
[13:16] <yofel> ovidiu-florin++
[13:16] <ovidiu-florin> it was a junior job, but at least I've learned the process :D
[13:16] <soee> how is called the kubuntu installer ?
[13:17] <apachelogger> ubiquity
[13:17] <ovidiu-florin> soee: ubiquity
[13:17] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, which bug?
[13:17] <smartboyhw> :)
[13:17] <soee> apachelogger, are you planing to put there some nice images ?
[13:17] <ovidiu-florin> the bug was not reported, I found it while testing Jovie
[13:17] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, good;)
[13:17] <apachelogger> yofel: well, you are still uploading loads of packages
[13:17] <apachelogger> so I think the karma algo is correct
[13:18] <apachelogger> soee: hm?
[13:18] <yofel> true, but the bzr <-> package karma is like 3,5k <-> 75k - that's nonsense
[13:18] <apachelogger> oh cool, mkinitramfs is stuck on my system again
[13:18] <ovidiu-florin> Tonight I'll try to fix more serious bugs, get the hang of it :D
[13:18] <apachelogger> yofel: why?
[13:19] <smartboyhw> yofel, wow
[13:19] <apachelogger> could take diffstat into account
[13:19] <apachelogger> but meh
[13:19] <apachelogger> whoever put karma there..................................................
[13:19] <yofel> apachelogger: for almost all the archive stuff I commit more to bzr than I upload, and I have bzr karma from the tooling and neon as well
[13:19] <smartboyhw> kubotu: karma yofel
[13:19] <kubotu> yofel has neutral karma
[13:19] <smartboyhw> !?
[13:19] <yofel> hey, I'm not the bad guy anymore :D
[13:19] <apachelogger> yofel: the assumption is that commiting crap is less effort than creating a package I assume
[13:19] <apachelogger> which is mostly right
[13:20] <smartboyhw> Someone should add the Launchpad karma ability.....
[13:20] <yofel> hm
[13:20] <yofel> true
[13:20] <Darkwing> apachelogger ++
[13:20] <Darkwing> kubotu: karma apachelogger
[13:20] <kubotu> karma for apachelogger: 1
[13:20] <apachelogger> even though in this instance the bzr karma directly relates to packaging, hard for launchpad to know that though
[13:20] <Darkwing> ding
[13:20] <smartboyhw> kubotu: karma yofel
[13:20] <kubotu> yofel has neutral karma
[13:20] <Darkwing> yofel ++
[13:20] <apachelogger> Darkwing++
[13:20] <smartboyhw> kubotu: karma help
[13:20] <kubotu> help has neutral karma
[13:20] <smartboyhw> !?
[13:20] <Darkwing> lol
[13:20] <smartboyhw> kubotu: help karma
[13:20] <kubotu> karma module: Listens to everyone's chat. <thing>++/<thing>-- => increase/decrease karma for <thing>, karma for <thing>? => show karma for <thing>, karmastats => show stats. Karma is a community rating system - only in-channel messages can affect karma and you cannot adjust your own.
[13:20] <smartboyhw> Ah LOL
[13:21] <Darkwing> Okay, building an email for the mumble server
[13:22] <smartboyhw> yofel, it turns out it is really true that packaging karma > bzr karma
[13:22] <smartboyhw> For the 3219 karma I got 1423 from Packaging and only 573 from bzr
[13:22] <smartboyhw> Doesn't make sense
[13:22] <Darkwing> This is why LP karma is useless
[13:22] <Darkwing> IMHO
[13:23] <yofel> it's as much a plaything as kubotu's karma ^^
[13:23] <smartboyhw> Darkwing, +1
[13:23] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: of course it makes sense
[13:23] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, not for me
 even though in this instance the bzr karma directly relates to packaging, hard for launchpad to know that though
[13:24] <Darkwing>  /sarcasm
[13:24] <smartboyhw> I've started packaging probably not long ago, I have been using bzr folong though
[13:24] <apachelogger> it's because bzr is used for packaging that the mapping makes no sense
[13:24] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, stupid Launchpad
[13:24] <smartboyhw> AGAIN
[13:24] <apachelogger> if it were not used for packaging it made perfect sense
[13:25] <soee> apachelogger, im asking because as a web developer i like to have apps intuitive, simple and good looking :)
[13:26] <apachelogger> soee: I do not get your question
[13:29] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:37] <smartboyhw> Darkwing, you have misspelt Riddell's name in http://opendarkwing.com/kubuntu-community-update/
[13:38] <smartboyhw> It's not Riddle :P
[13:38] <Darkwing> Eh, :P
[13:38] <Darkwing> wait, how did you find my blog? I have not really announced it since my domain change... :D
[13:39] <smartboyhw> Just looked at the blog through the latest Planet Ubuntu branch change Darkwing :P
[13:39] <smartboyhw> HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH
[13:39] <Darkwing> ahhh, got ya.
[13:40] <apachelogger> Jhonathon Riddle
[13:41] <soee> apachelogger, is it possible to change background color and overall look of ubiquity windows ?
[13:41] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, LOL
[13:45] <apachelogger> soee: yes
[14:06] <jussi> kubotu: friday++
[14:07] <Darkwing> Hey jussi
[14:07] <smartboyhw> kubotu: smartboyhw++
[14:07] <smartboyhw> :P
[14:07] <jussi> hiya Darkwing
[14:08] <Darkwing> Yay, I'm loving my Nexus 4
[14:11] <smartboyhw> Darkwing, :)
[14:19] <apachelogger> someone broke freedesktop :O
[14:19] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, !?
[14:20] <apachelogger> freedesktop.org not reachable here
[14:21] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, me too....
[14:21] <smartboyhw> WT?
[14:22] <Riddell> Darkwing: is that a weeny tablet?
[14:22] <Darkwing> No, it's a Nexus cell phone.
[14:23] <apachelogger> perhaps gnome is giving up and so they closed freedesktop :P
[14:23] <apachelogger> or someone is trying to kill xorg for real
[14:24] <Darkwing> Riddell: Nexus phone GSM/HSPA+
[14:24] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1152611] package libqt4-designer 4:4.8.3+dfsg-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: cannot copy extra... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1152611 (by Oscar Dominguez Blanco)
[14:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you know whom to talk to about plymouth stuff?
[14:42] <apachelogger> s/whom/who
[14:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: mm nope
[14:43] <smartboyhw> Riddell, really?:P
[14:48] <Riddell> smartboyhw: really what?
[14:48] <smartboyhw> Riddell, really nope?
[14:48]  * smartboyhw feels weird
[14:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: seems to be a mix of foundations team people who maintain it
[15:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/video16.mkv 16bit version (no alpha)?
[15:05] <Riddell> apachelogger: bling bling!
[15:09] <Darkwing> apachelogger: I love it.
[15:10] <yofel> simple enough, ship it
[15:10] <Darkwing> I love simple.
[15:15] <jussi> I wish I could set this machine to installl anything from official repos without a password...
[15:15] <Riddell> cant you?
[15:15] <Riddell> just edit sudo file
[15:16] <jussi> Riddell: how so?
[15:17] <Riddell> visudo  add apt-get to it?
[15:17] <jussi> could you be a little more precise?
[15:17] <Riddell> probably needs some other apt setting to install new packages
[15:19] <murthy> apachelogger: started amarok with "--debug-audio" i get this http://paste.kde.org/690632/       after the audio turns chipmuk, I have the full log, i will paste it if you need it
[15:20] <Riddell> jussi: run visudo
[15:20] <Riddell> edit file
[15:20] <Riddell> jussi    ALL=(root) NOPASSWD: apt-get
[15:20] <Riddell> something like that
[15:20] <jussi> Riddell: ahh ok. I assume I need sudo visudo ?
[15:20] <jussi> jussi@starling:~$ visudo
[15:20] <jussi> visudo: /etc/sudoers: Permission denied
[15:20] <jussi> visudo: /etc/sudoers: Permission denied
[15:20] <Riddell> jussi: yes.  is that ironic?   I'm too young to drink
[15:23] <smartboyhw> :P
[15:23] <smartboyhw> XD
[15:23] <Darkwing> smartboyhw: kubotu isn't the brightest bot
[15:23] <jussi> smartboyhw: root beer
[15:23] <smartboyhw> Darkwing, for me it is:P
[15:23] <jussi> or gingerbeer
[15:23] <smartboyhw> jussi, no:P
[15:23] <smartboyhw> nO
[15:23] <jussi> anyway
[15:23] <smartboyhw> jussi, give me jelly beans instead please:P
[15:23] <smartboyhw> LOL
[15:24] <Darkwing> You want jelly beans?
[15:24] <jussi> If anyone wants to advise me further on the ins and outs of visudo...
[15:24] <smartboyhw> Darkwing, jelly beans = android 4.2s:P
[15:24] <Darkwing> BAH! Beat me to it
[15:24] <Darkwing> http://developer.android.com/about/versions/jelly-bean.html
[15:24] <smartboyhw> Darkwing, I mean give me a phone with it.
[15:25] <Darkwing> lol I just bought me one
[15:25] <jussi> meh, food time. laters
[15:42] <Riddell> jussi: man visudo ?
[15:43] <Riddell> man sudoers
[15:43] <yofel> sudo visudo -f /etc/sudoers
[15:43] <yofel> that should work for editing
[15:55] <yofel> wow, the new ubiquity feels really nice on a netbook actually when run in fullscreen without borders
[15:56] <murthy> yofel: is it available for testing?
[15:56] <yofel> murthy: current daily has it, it crashes at start though so you need to fix it first to use it
[15:58] <murthy> yofel: let me to when it can be tested
[15:59] <murthy> yofel: let me know when it can be tested
[16:00] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 1144539 FFe for your perusal
[16:03] <ScottK> Riddell: # Distributed under the OSI-approved BSD License (the "License");
[16:03] <ScottK> # see accompanying file CmakeCopyright.txt for details.
[16:03] <ScottK> Missing license.
[16:05] <Riddell> ScottK: a pain but not a reason for reject (says cjwatson) since it is stated what licence it's under
[16:07] <ScottK> Riddell: There are also license/copyright issues from common/exponential.h and common/logarithm.h.  Those files are LGPL-3.
[16:07] <ScottK> Plus additional copyright attributions.
[16:07] <murthy> apachelogger: thats the dialog i get when the sound turns chipmuk http://imagebin.org/249451
[16:08] <ScottK> Actually NM the v3 bit.
[16:08] <ScottK> But there are missing copyright attributions and an additional license.
[16:08] <Riddell> yeah the whole thing is LGPL 3+
[16:08] <Riddell> fair enoughski
[16:08] <apachelogger> murthy: sounds unhealthy
[16:09] <ScottK> Riddell: It might be nice to close the FFe bug in the changelog.
[16:09] <Riddell> didn't I?
[16:09] <murthy> apachelogger: also the device name looks like is taken from alsa
[16:09] <Riddell>   * Initial release LP: #1144539
[16:09] <apachelogger> murthy: why is that?
[16:09] <Riddell> ScottK: oh that didn't make it into the upload, ok
[16:09] <murthy> apachelogger: thats how it appears when not using pulseaudio
[16:10] <apachelogger> I guess pulseaudio is crashing then
[16:10] <apachelogger> though there are other possibilities
[16:10] <ScottK> Riddell: Why does the package have vc-dev.substvars in it?
[16:10] <ScottK> I suspect that's leftover from a local build attempt.
[16:10] <ScottK> Can you fix up and reupload?
[16:11] <murthy> apachelogger: it feels like there is no link between the phonon settings and the sub system, it doesn't seem to reflect the actual settings and devices
[16:16] <murthy> apachelogger: ya pulseaudio could be crashing, i will check that
[16:16] <apachelogger> the phonon device priority stuff is exactly what pulseaudio has
[16:16] <apachelogger> with pa the entire KCM is nothing but a frontend to pulse
[16:19] <murthy> apachelogger: in that case i have no clue
[16:20] <murthy> apachelogger: why is kde reporting a missing device and falling back to some other device?
[16:21] <murthy> apachelogger: i have a pci soundblaster like 24 bit and the onboard is disabled in bios
[16:21] <apachelogger> for example because pulseaudio crashes
[16:22] <apachelogger> or becuase udev/alsa/solid/something decides to rename devices
[16:23] <Riddell> ScottK: vc in New
[16:23] <ScottK> Will look again.
[16:28] <apachelogger> where are at: >16bit http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/raring-boot.mkv - 16bit http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/raring-boot-16bit.mkv
[16:28] <apachelogger> +we somewhere
[16:28] <apachelogger> sheytan: ^
[16:31] <Riddell> ScottK: oh I missed your comment about vc-dev.substvars
[16:32] <Riddell> ScottK: re-re-uploaded
[16:32] <ScottK> OK.
[16:37] <sheytan> apachelogger: i like both! :)
[16:37] <sheytan> Glad it's all ok now
[16:37] <sheytan> finally we're going to have a cool release :D
[16:37] <apachelogger> sheytan: to be honest, I am not too confident about the lightd/splash background
[16:38] <apachelogger> the idea was to have good transitions, but that is now not really the case with a black plymouth
[16:40] <sheytan> apachelogger: you can sure use a lighter background for ply while still using solid color
[16:41] <apachelogger> I am not going to touch plymouth again
[16:45] <sheytan> :)
[16:45] <murthy> apachelogger: the logo animation looks good and the background highlights it well
[16:46] <murthy> apachelogger: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c84zZ2ud4-w
[16:57] <murthy> yofel: do you have admin privileges to other ubuntu channels?
[16:57] <yofel> no
[16:58] <murthy> yofel: who is the admin for  #ubutu-tam  ?
[16:58] <murthy> yofel: who is the admin for #ubuntu-tam ?
[16:58] <yofel> I don't know
[16:59] <yofel> maybe #ubuntu-irc can help
[16:59] <murthy> yofel: i am using quantal and i am getting an error while upgrading to 4.10.1
[16:59] <yofel> oh?
[16:59] <murthy> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/690722/
[17:00] <yofel> uh
[17:00] <yofel> that's google's fault
[17:00] <murthy> yofel: ok let me try to install that onece again
[17:04] <murthy> yofel: no , problem with google
[17:06] <senan> I would like to contribute to Kubuntu. where can I get started ?
[17:07] <senan> I have experience in C++ programming
[17:08] <murthy> senan: welcome
[17:09] <senan> murthy: Thanks :-)
[17:09] <murthy> senan: do you know qt?
[17:09] <senan> yes.. a little bit
[17:10] <murthy> senan: what part of kubuntu you are interested in?
[17:11] <senan> To be very honest, I don't have any Idea
[17:11] <murthy> Riddell:  senan is new to kubuntu and likes to contribute
[17:11] <murthy> yofel: ^
[17:14] <senan> murthy: How can I find one area to work on ? I am really interested in C++ programming and knows little bit Qt
[17:15] <murthy> senan: you can start by contributing patches to kde
[17:15] <ScottK> Riddell: Still missing the zlib license in common/logarithm.h from debian/copyright.  I'll accept and then you can fix.
[17:16] <murthy> senan: are you familiar with git?
[17:16] <ScottK> murthy: We need C++/Qt help here too.
[17:16] <ScottK> apachelogger: ^^^
[17:17] <senan> murthy: yes, I am familiar with git. But not an expert
[17:17] <murthy> ScottK: can you suggest some place to start for senan
[17:17] <murthy> senan: do you know about kde?
[17:17] <ScottK> murthy: That's why I ping'ed apachelogger.  I know he had some stuff that needed doing.
[17:18] <apachelogger> I am on break
[17:18] <apachelogger> welcome senan
[17:18] <murthy> senan: ScottK and apachelogger are elite developers
[17:19] <apachelogger> all the stuff I have is not terribly nice to work on without prior knowledge actually ^^
[17:19] <senan> apachelogger : okay
[17:21] <apachelogger> senan: perhaps it would be best if you find something that you want to work on, something that annoys you etc.. that is usually best to start with.
[17:22] <apachelogger> I could give you some task but all I have involve some weird package management madness
[17:22] <murthy> apachelogger: no
[17:23] <murthy> apachelogger: he want to code
[17:23] <apachelogger> package management involves code, you know? :P
[17:24] <murthy> apachelogger: ya, heh
[17:24] <senan> apachelogger : :-)
[17:25] <senan> is there any documentation available to start with development ?
[17:26] <murthy> apachelogger: I forgot this, thanks for packaging tomahwak before feature freeze
[17:26] <murthy> senan: do you know about kde?
[17:26] <apachelogger> murthy: *you* packaged tomahawk before feature freeze, I just reviewed and uploaded
[17:27] <apachelogger> senan: http://techbase.kde.org/Welcome_to_KDE_TechBase is a good starting point
[17:27] <apachelogger> depends on what you want to read up on, but techbase has documentation on most topics of interest
[17:28] <senan> okay
[17:28] <murthy> apachelogger: is the documentation uptodate?
[17:28] <senan> So It will be better to start with the junior jobs in KDE right ?
[17:30] <murthy> senan: you can get the kde code from here http://quickgit.kde.org/
[17:31] <murthy> senan:  when you have time read this http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/
[17:31] <murthy> senan: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPackagingHandbook?highlight=%28%28Courses2005%7CBuildingWithoutHelper%29%29
[17:33] <senan> murthy : thanks
[17:34] <senan> Is there any kubuntu specific development project to get involved ?
[17:36] <murthy> senan: those debian linkls that i gave are for learning to package for kubuntu
[17:37] <senan> murthy: ok, I shall read that and come back later
[17:38] <murthy> senan:  enjoy learning
[17:39] <murthy> going for reboot brb
[17:39] <senan> murthy: sure. I'll definitely come back after reading.
[17:40] <murthy> senan: see you later
[17:40] <senan> thank you very much murthy,apachelogger for the help and support
[17:40] <murthy> senan: yw
[17:44] <apachelogger> senan: junior jobs are a good way to start, yes
[17:45] <apachelogger> -> dinner
[17:46] <micahg> Riddell: Bug #1152671
[18:10] <ScottK> Riddell: vc is going to need an epoch it looks like.
[18:12] <ScottK> Also looks like armhf needs some work.
[18:16]  * shadeslayer_ is back
[18:17] <shadeslayer> with a new monitor :D
[18:19] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: I have created a channel for tamil, how can i set the bot to display a message directing to the new channel?
[18:19] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: #kubuntu-tamil
[18:19] <shadeslayer> why not #ubuntu-in ?
[18:20] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: good question
[18:20] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: do we have one for kubuntu?
[18:22] <phoenix_firebrd> !in
[18:22] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: i will take the new channel down'
[18:42] <sheytan> apachelogger: http://www.sendspace.com/file/soff9b
[18:42] <sheytan> background with different res
[18:56] <shadeslayer> any opinions on whether I should split the desktop applets into their respective packages
[18:56] <shadeslayer> or ship all of them in one package
[19:07] <shadeslayer> yofel: any luck with the LXC backend?
[19:07] <yofel> mixed
[19:07] <shadeslayer> oh?
[19:08] <yofel> I had one case where the upgrade failed with out of disk pace errors even though there was enough space available
[19:09] <yofel> I had one case with a somewhat successful run but a failed upgrade
[19:09] <yofel> and one run where the upgrade failed at the calculation part
[19:09] <yofel> last with kde-full I think
[19:09] <shadeslayer> tried without kde-full?
[19:10] <yofel> just trying now
[19:10] <shadeslayer> sigh, this monitor is really too bright :(
[19:10] <yofel> lol
[19:10] <yofel> they have a settings menu you know ^^
[19:10] <shadeslayer> I have the brightness all the way down to 0
[19:10] <yofel> maybe set it to a warmer color tone
[19:13] <yofel> dist-upgrade.py returned: 1
[19:13] <yofel> hm
[19:13]  * yofel wipes the bootstrap
[19:14] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:14] <shadeslayer> a bit better
[19:15] <shadeslayer> :|
[19:15] <shadeslayer> new FF release
[19:15]  * shadeslayer dies
[19:21] <micahg> shadeslayer: it's a security update, shouldn't be hard to rebase
[19:22] <shadeslayer> still, it's work
[19:22] <shadeslayer> you have no idea how lazy I am
[19:22] <micahg> shadeslayer: blame pwnium3 :)
[19:23] <shadeslayer> silly Mozilla software developers, writing code with bugs
[19:23] <micahg> shadeslayer: I challenge you to find one programmer that writes perfect code :)
[19:23] <shadeslayer> fine, apply my statement to all software developers then ;)
[19:24]  * shadeslayer tries to find the icc profile for his monitor
[19:24] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Silly web browsers that are !firefox that don't get maintained properly.
[19:24] <ScottK> Some not by us, some not by upstream.
[19:24] <shadeslayer> well ... that was easy, it's right there on the CD
[19:24] <shadeslayer> writing/mantaining software is hard, lets go shopping
[19:25]  * apachelogger throws keyboard
[19:25] <apachelogger> stop using memes wrong
[19:26]  * apachelogger is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo tired
[19:26] <apachelogger> sheytan: thx4wallpapers
[19:26] <apachelogger> sheytan: how about we use the regular kde ksplash but with your background?
[19:26] <shadeslayer> this colord kcm is weird
[19:27] <apachelogger> kay see 'em
[19:29] <ScottK> apachelogger: How tired are you?
[19:29]  * apachelogger ponders getting some booze
[19:29] <apachelogger> ScottK: as tired as rbelem is all the time
[19:29] <apachelogger> that tired I am
[19:29] <ScottK> Is that tired or sleepy?
[19:29] <ScottK> Not precisely the same.
[19:29] <apachelogger> all the same at some point
[19:30] <apachelogger> ScottK: ought one not be tired to be sleepy?
[19:30] <maco> but you can be tired without being sleepy
[19:30] <maco> for example "tired of this"
[19:30] <ScottK> I think the reverse is true too.
[19:30] <apachelogger> let's just say I am suffering from fatigue
[19:30] <apachelogger> there, french saves the day
[19:30] <apachelogger> vive la france
[19:31] <shadeslayer> dantti_laptop: halp
[19:31] <dantti_laptop> shadeslayer: what's up
[19:31] <dantti_laptop> colord ?
[19:31] <shadeslayer> dantti_laptop: I got a new monitor and I have the ICM file from the CD
[19:31] <shadeslayer> but, I have like 2 profiles
[19:32] <shadeslayer> how do I know which one is from the CD
[19:32] <apachelogger> kubotu: 8ball will I go buy booze?
[19:32]  * kubotu shakes the magic 8-ball for apachelogger ... all signs point to no
[19:32] <apachelogger> awwww
[19:32] <dantti_laptop> shadeslayer: did you install them?
[19:32] <ScottK> Maybe that means you are supposed to talk someone into buying it for you.
[19:32] <shadeslayer> oh wait
[19:32] <apachelogger> curious thought
[19:32] <shadeslayer> it has a filed call "Filename"
[19:33] <shadeslayer> so I think that's the one
[19:33] <apachelogger> kubotu: 8ball will I make someone buy booze for me?
[19:33]  * kubotu shakes the magic 8-ball for apachelogger ... all signs point to yes
[19:33] <apachelogger> ah
[19:33] <shadeslayer> haha
[19:33] <apachelogger> ScottK: you are a smart man
[19:33] <shadeslayer> dantti_laptop: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/03/08/plasma-desktopcm2390.png
[19:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: are you sure that's not hardcoded
[19:33] <ScottK> It's all a matter of interpretation.
[19:34] <shadeslayer> dantti_laptop: so silly bug, when you add the ICM profile, and then add it again, it says it failed
[19:34] <shadeslayer> ideally shouldn't it say "Oh this profile was already added under this name"
[19:34] <dantti_laptop> shadeslayer: indeed, if you fill a bug so I get a reminder it would be great
[19:35] <dantti_laptop> btw does this file changed anything for you?
[19:35] <dantti_laptop> for me the ICC profile on the dell cd was just useless
[19:35] <shadeslayer> yeah, seems useless
[19:35] <shadeslayer> xD
[19:35] <dantti_laptop> it didn't had the info to do gama correction..
[19:36] <dantti_laptop> ok, I really dunno why they ship it then..
[19:36] <shadeslayer> dunno
[19:37] <apachelogger> because they can.
[19:37]  * apachelogger goes :@ at plymouth
[19:38] <apachelogger> Programming is hard. Let's go shopping.
[19:39] <sheytan> apachelogger: no problem for me
[19:39] <apachelogger> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Desktop-Computer-Processor-Integrated-Kubuntu/dp/B007SHTC0C/ref=sr_1_33?ie=UTF8&qid=1362771529&sr=8-33
[19:39] <sheytan> but you have to know i dislike the default splash
[19:39] <sheytan> i will change it back anyway :D
[19:40]  * sheytan is going to do clean install Raring on his DELL
[19:41] <apachelogger> http://www.umipc.com/
[19:41] <apachelogger> best website ever Oo
[19:41] <shadeslayer> dantti_laptop: kde bug 316383
[19:42] <apachelogger> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Get-Life-The-Dummies-Guide/dp/0473128551/ref=sr_1_65?ie=UTF8&qid=1362771550&sr=8-65#reader_0473128551
[19:42] <apachelogger> ololololo
[19:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ^
[19:42] <shadeslayer> lul
[19:43] <dantti_laptop> shadeslayer: thanks
[19:48] <yofel> *sigh*
[19:48] <yofel> shadeslayer: disk space issues again
[19:48] <yofel> 2013-03-08 19:43:51,722 ERROR Not enough free disk space The upgrade has aborted. The upgrade needs a total of 953 M free space on disk '/'. Please free at least an additional 111 M of disk space on '/'. Empty your trash and remove temporary packages of former installations using 'sudo apt-get clean'. (None)
[19:48]  * yofel doesn't get LXC
[19:48] <lordievader> Good evening
[19:48] <shadeslayer> yofel: maybe LXC has some disk constraints
[19:48] <yofel> shadeslayer: possibly
[19:48] <shadeslayer> google it? :P
[19:49] <yofel> lxc-create has an fssize option
[19:49] <yofel> but I don't get how to set that in the upgrade tester...
[19:49]  * yofel reads more scripts
[19:49] <shadeslayer> and there's #ubuntu-quality that probably knows more
[19:58] <yofel> meh
[19:58]  * yofel logs into the lxc rootfs himself
[20:01] <yofel> hm, that works, so it's probably that cow stuff the auto-upgrader does with overlayfs
[20:04] <yofel> shadeslayer: ah well, tmpfs issues
[20:04] <yofel>         subprocess.call(["mount", "-t", "tmpfs", "none",
[20:04] <yofel>                          "/var/lib/lxc/%s/cow" % self.profilename])
[20:04] <shadeslayer> ah
[20:05] <yofel> and yes, the only successfull upgrade run was on my 8G machine
[20:05] <yofel> this needs tuning
[20:05] <yofel> and why is that a tmpfs in the first place o.O
[20:07] <apachelogger> tmpfs cool
[20:07] <apachelogger> ololo
[20:07]  * apachelogger removes feature
[20:07] <yofel> ok, lets try this again without tmpfs...
[20:19] <yofel> progress
[20:20] <yofel> but I'll wait for it to finish before I commit this
[20:27] <shadeslayer> :D
[20:34] <apachelogger> please be testing plymouth in kubuntu-settings bzr!
[20:34] <apachelogger> Committed revision 527.
[20:35] <apachelogger> ubottu: wrong :P
[20:35] <apachelogger> I wonder what kmod is tho
[20:35] <apachelogger> sounds spooky
[20:40] <jussi> !info kmod
[20:43] <apachelogger> jussi: Mod file playe
[20:43] <apachelogger> r
[20:44] <apachelogger> it's so old you can't even find a screenshot ^^
[20:44] <apachelogger> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/www/screenshots/kmod.gif?revision=417&view=markup&pathrev=527
[20:45] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/03/08/plasma-desktopkG2239.png
[20:46] <apachelogger> how far we've come
[20:46] <apachelogger> ololo
[20:52] <shadeslayer> yofel: whats the memory footprint like?
[20:53] <yofel> would need to test a bit more, not too high
[20:54] <yofel> hm
[20:54]  * yofel messed the cleanup up
[20:54] <shadeslayer> okay
[20:54] <shadeslayer> I'm thinking of switching from EC2 to LXC on the VPS
[20:54] <shadeslayer> but I won't do it before you can confirm everything works
[20:55] <yofel> I'm close... I think
[20:55] <shadeslayer> :)
[20:56] <shadeslayer> whoa
[20:56] <shadeslayer> I have 25K karma
[20:56] <shadeslayer> sweet :D
[20:56] <micahg> shadeslayer: I remember when I used to have that much karma :)
[20:57] <shadeslayer> :D
[20:58]  * shadeslayer notes that kde-telepathy-desktop-applets is only 56.6 bytes, no point in splitting
[20:58] <yofel> working on the KDE SC does that to you
[20:58] <shadeslayer> haha
[20:59] <shadeslayer> so, my TODO is pretty much complete now
[21:01] <shadeslayer> since we have trello now
[21:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ur rich in karma
[21:05] <soee> anyone on 12.10 ?
[21:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: muwhahaha
[21:06] <apachelogger> Programming is hard. Let's go shopping. (with karma)
[21:06] <shadeslayer> too bad LP karma doesn't buy you anything
[21:06] <apachelogger> :O
[21:07] <apachelogger> you shoudl spend time working with qtmultimedia rather than lunchpad
[21:07] <shadeslayer> you read my mind
[21:07] <shadeslayer> but not enough time
[21:07] <shadeslayer> :(
[21:07] <shadeslayer> someone please invent a time machine
[21:07] <shadeslayer> so I have more time
[21:08]  * shadeslayer goes off to add kde-telepathy to the supported seed
[21:09] <yofel> shadeslayer: btw. any reason why us.archive.ubuntu.com is hardcoded there instead of round-robin? it was like that?
[21:09] <shadeslayer> yofel: I changed it to us.archive because I believe archive.ubuntu.com points to the UK servers no?
[21:10] <shadeslayer> so latency when using on a US EC2 instance
[21:10] <shadeslayer> s/a/an/
[21:10] <kubotu> shadeslayer meant: "so lantency when using on a US EC2 instance"
[21:10] <yofel> oh, primary mirror would be bad, yeah
[21:10] <yofel> I meant, why not Mirror = mirror://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt
[21:10] <shadeslayer> ah
[21:10] <shadeslayer> I didn't try that, does it work?
[21:10] <yofel> on my system, yes
[21:10] <shadeslayer> *shrug* use that then
[21:11] <shadeslayer> I just used us.archive because that one is most up-to-date
[21:11] <yofel> ok, I'll then put that into the branch so the  default is sane
[21:11] <yofel> ah
[21:11] <shadeslayer> I'm not sure what happens when you use mirrors.ubuntu.com
[21:11] <yofel> need to check
[21:11] <shadeslayer> the does it check all the repos it gets or just the first one
[21:12] <apachelogger> the most up-to-date is archive.ubuntu :P
[21:12] <apachelogger> just sayin
[21:13] <shadeslayer> well, us.archive is a close second :D
[21:13] <apachelogger> spam \o/
[21:14] <yofel> yeah
[21:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: are you sure?
[21:17] <apachelogger> databits going from UK to US take longer than from UK to EU :P
[21:17] <micahg> us.archive and archive.ubuntu are both hosted in Canonical
[21:17] <apachelogger> micahg: us.archie is in london?
[21:18] <shadeslayer> no
[21:18] <micahg> that I don' tknow
[21:18] <shadeslayer> it's hosted by Canonical in the US
[21:18] <apachelogger> right
[21:18] <apachelogger> statement still stands then :P
[21:20] <apachelogger> also I know that no one tested kubuntu-settings even though I asked almost nicely
[21:20] <apachelogger> no one helps me :(
[21:21] <apachelogger> soee: what do you need from 12.10 btw?
[21:23] <yofel> apachelogger: I'll test it in a bit, but I'm busy hacking on this :/
[21:23] <soee> apachelogger, well i am/was running 12.10 on my laptop and the screenlock doesnt work - the password box shows upbut if i press any key or move mouse its just gone i can work
[21:23]  * apachelogger bounces through channel
[21:23] <soee> anyway upgrading to 13.04 now
[21:23] <yofel> uhm...
[21:23] <yofel> I *think* I saw that screenlock thing on raring today
[21:23] <yofel> i.e. - it not locking
[21:24] <apachelogger> soee: I think that is normal if the lock appears you have 10 seconds or so until it requires a password
[21:24] <apachelogger> at least that is the behavior I observed when it was popping up while vlc was playing
[21:24] <yofel> ah
[21:24] <soee> apachelogger, i left laptop, was watching tv for half hour i think
[21:24] <apachelogger> OTOH when I am actually afk and return it is properly locked
[21:25] <apachelogger> soee: then something's bugged
[21:25] <soee> apachelogger, il check it after upgrade
[21:26] <apachelogger> yofel, shadeslayer: we need some decision on what to do with lightdm&ksplash
[21:26] <sheytan_> how do i report a bug for raring?
[21:26] <apachelogger> the upstream wallpaper does not work *at all* for lightdm
[21:26] <apachelogger> so we could go with sheytan_'s grey thing
[21:26] <yofel> sheytan_: bug in what?
[21:26] <apachelogger> or simply force autologin :S
[21:26] <apachelogger> D
[21:27] <apachelogger> <3 forced autologin
[21:27] <sheytan_> apachelogger: you won't do it :)
[21:27]  * yofel throws empty water bottle at apachelogger
[21:27] <apachelogger> sheytan_: force autologin?
[21:27] <sheytan_> I'm not tellin you to, but you won't :)
[21:27] <sheytan_> yes
[21:27] <apachelogger> u underestimateme
[21:27] <sheytan_> maybe i am
[21:27] <sheytan_> but you're not gonna do it anyway
[21:27] <apachelogger> if no one proposes a sane solution I will
[21:28] <sheytan_> you're not :)
[21:28] <apachelogger> because no crap > crap
[21:28] <sheytan_> tell me how do i report a bug?
[21:28] <apachelogger> in what?
[21:28] <yofel> I think we all know that the upstream wallpaper doesn't work for lightdm
[21:28] <yofel> the rendering sucks
[21:28] <apachelogger> rendering is a matter of bogus scaling I thin
[21:28] <apachelogger> k
[21:28] <apachelogger> the problem is the theme really
[21:29] <yofel> could be
[21:29] <apachelogger> i.e. the wallpaper works for plasma because plasmodoids have semi-translucent backgrounds&frames
[21:29] <apachelogger> lightdm userbar doesn't
[21:29] <apachelogger> it has text driectly ontop of the background
[21:29] <apachelogger> which is what makes the wallpaper so crappy for it
[21:29] <apachelogger> you have no contrast so to speak
[21:30] <sheytan_> apachelogger: what's the problem now. Plymouth to ldm transition?
[21:30] <apachelogger> the overall color set
[21:31] <apachelogger> plymouth and plasma yield a somewhat dark/warm experience
[21:31] <apachelogger> the grey in your background however gives a light/cold experience
[21:32] <sheytan_> i don't get a dark/warm experience from the default air theme and the new wallpaper
[21:32] <sheytan_> the new air is kinda 'quick remake'
[21:32] <sheytan_> and i don't want to talk about the wallpaper even
[21:33] <sheytan_> but, overall, it doesn't 'break' any experience while having my theme and air + 4.10 wall
[21:33] <sheytan_> apachelogger: can you link me to the screecast from today again?
[21:34] <apachelogger>  >16bit http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/raring-boot.mkv - 16bit http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/raring-boot-16bit.mkv
[21:35] <apachelogger> I think I broke my hand trying to open a beer bottle
[21:35] <apachelogger> :S
[21:35] <shadeslayer> btw
[21:35] <shadeslayer> any problems if I put homerun in Kubuntu backports?
[21:36] <shadeslayer> the one from raring
[21:36] <shadeslayer> for Quantal/Precise
[21:36] <shadeslayer> yay/nay?
[21:36] <yofel> yay
[21:37] <ScottK> shadeslayer: That one could go in official backports, couldn't it?
[21:37] <shadeslayer> nope
[21:37] <shadeslayer> depends on 4.10
[21:37] <ScottK> Oh.
[21:37] <ScottK> Nevermind.
[21:37] <ScottK> Go ahead then.
[21:38] <yofel> shadeslayer: ok, as for memory: you need to expect up to ~120M
[21:38] <yofel> the release-upgrader is pretty expensive
[21:38] <shadeslayer> hmm
[21:38] <shadeslayer> k, would you be willing to host it?
[21:38] <shadeslayer> or do we stick to EC2
[21:38] <apachelogger> I know why it is expensive
[21:38] <shadeslayer> 120 is above the threshold for my VPS
[21:38] <apachelogger> because it uses pythorn
[21:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: we all do
[21:38] <apachelogger> harrrr
[21:39] <yofel> shadeslayer: on my server has the issue of that being on quantal. Haven't gotten it fully working there
[21:39] <yofel> if that wasn't a tmpfs issue too...
[21:39] <yofel> need to test again
[21:39] <sheytan> apachelogger: if you could make the background in lightdm fade-in on load, that woul give better transision a bit :)
[21:39] <apachelogger> "a bit"
[21:40] <shadeslayer> ScottK: do you haz spare server which could host this?
[21:40] <apachelogger> it wouldn't help the overal color issue
[21:40] <apachelogger> does ubuntuwire still exist?
[21:40] <shadeslayer> or do we keep spending EC2 monies
[21:40] <sheytan> apachelogger: maybe we can change the selected user glow color?
[21:42] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[21:42] <apachelogger> it's all in kubuntu-settings
[21:42] <apachelogger> feel free to play with it as you see fit
[21:42] <ScottK> ubuntuwire does still exist
[21:42] <ScottK> shadeslayer: What are the requirements?
[21:42] <shadeslayer> yofel: ^
[21:43] <sheytan> apachelogger: i don't really see the problem. For me i would only change the plymouth glow color to white.
[21:43] <shadeslayer> I believe loads of bandwidth, and some memory, reasonably fast HDD that can take upgrade loads
[21:43] <yofel> hm... plenty of bandwidth, a reasonably up-to-date lxc (i only have raring working here), about 150M of memory and some 10-15G of disk space
[21:43] <shadeslayer> some memory = more than 128 MB's
[21:44] <apachelogger> "resaonably fast HDD" <= why?
[21:44] <shadeslayer> unpacking stuff takes time
[21:44] <apachelogger> what difference does it make if the test runs 1hr or half a day? :P
[21:44] <shadeslayer> ah well
[21:44] <shadeslayer> scrap the reasonably fast HDD ;)
[21:45] <ScottK> What are we doing with this?
[21:45] <ScottK> All the servers I have run 12.04.
[21:45] <shadeslayer> ScottK: to ensure upgrades work from quantal to raring
[21:46] <yofel> I think I'll test this more and we'll talk tomorrow
[21:46] <shadeslayer> all the time
[21:46] <shadeslayer> yofel: okay
[21:47] <shadeslayer>  * /^plasma-*-telepathy-.+$/
[21:47] <shadeslayer> anyone care to improve that regex ^
[21:47] <ScottK> If it can be done on a 12.04 system, I can probably support it.
[21:48] <yofel> lxc stuff was backported, so if I can get it working on quantal it should work in precise
[21:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: * = .*? :P
[21:48] <shadeslayer> ^&%#$&^%
[21:48] <apachelogger> EINVAL
[21:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: fixed
[21:49] <ScottK> The server in question also has apache2 on it, so if there's some non-php web status thing that needs to run, I can do that too.
[21:49] <ScottK> Non-java too.
[21:49] <shadeslayer> ScottK: it'll be a static html page
[21:49] <ScottK> OK.
[21:49] <shadeslayer> ScottK: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/
[21:49] <apachelogger> ScottK is quite the hero.
[21:49] <shadeslayer> exactly like that one ^
[21:49] <ScottK> PHP - just say no.
[21:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: /^plasma-.*-telepathy-.+$/
[21:50] <shadeslayer> does that look fine now?
[21:50] <ScottK> Should be doable.
[21:50] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: good enough I guess
[21:50] <apachelogger> depends on what you want to do  with it :P
[21:50] <apachelogger> i.e. .* and .+ usually are too permissive :P
[21:50] <shadeslayer> add all kde telepathy related packages into supported
[21:50] <apachelogger> should be good enough then I guess
[21:51] <shadeslayer> so things like plasma-widget-telepathy-contact
[21:54] <apachelogger> oh well
[21:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you could just as well go with .* instead of .+
[21:55] <apachelogger> it's not like we'll have something matching plasma-widget-telepath-.deb :P
[21:59] <shadeslayer> plz double check : http://paste.kde.org/690950/
[21:59] <shadeslayer> before I commit
[22:16] <ScottK> Riddell: I marked us down as being in for Beta 1, per the plan.
[22:18] <Riddell> ScottK: groovy
[22:19] <ScottK> Did the 3D in live session bug get fixed?
[22:19] <ScottK> It's be really cool to have that for the Beta.
[22:22] <yofel> yes
[22:22] <shadeslayer> it's fixed?
[22:22] <yofel> it is
[22:22] <shadeslayer> awesome
[22:22] <yofel> works on today's daily
[22:22] <shadeslayer> I've also targetted bug 1152567 for the beta 1
[22:23] <shadeslayer> just wating for final packages to build
[22:23] <shadeslayer> no one has reviewed http://paste.kde.org/690950/
[22:23] <shadeslayer> plz be reviewing
[22:24] <Riddell> shadeslayer: looks good
[22:25] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you get my message about an epoch for vc?
[22:26] <Riddell> ScottK: just saw the binary reject
[22:26] <Riddell> ScottK: that libvc-dev is still in the archive I think so it'll need a rename
[22:26] <ScottK> Oh.
[22:26] <ScottK> yes.
[22:27] <Riddell> vc-dev seem a good choice?
[22:27] <ScottK> You can fix the zlib licensing thing at the same time.
[22:28] <ScottK> Wait.
[22:28] <ScottK> vc is unrelated to libvc
[22:28] <ScottK> At least not anymore.
[22:28] <ScottK> Package: libvc
[22:28] <ScottK> Binary: libvc-dev, libvc0
[22:29] <ScottK> And it's use predates any supported release (rmadison doesn't show it)
[22:29] <ScottK> I think an epoch is sufficient.
[22:29] <ScottK> I think vc-dev is actually more confusing.
[22:30] <Riddell> ScottK: libvc-dev is still in the archive
[22:30] <Riddell> that's the package that's the problem
[22:30]  * ScottK looks at the upload log again.
[22:31] <Riddell> source libvc makes binary libvc-dev now
[22:31] <ScottK> Sure enough
[22:31] <ScottK> Yeah
[22:31] <Riddell> I uploaded source vc to make libvc-dev
[22:32]  * ScottK misread the upload log before
[22:32] <ScottK> I take it all back.
[22:32] <Riddell> so I need to rename my libvc-dev to something else
[22:32] <Riddell> I'm thinking vc-dev
[22:32] <ScottK> I think it's fine.
[22:32] <ScottK> ~fine
[22:33] <Riddell> or just vc if I want to be cheeky
[22:38] <Riddell> new vc uploaded
[23:00] <maco> *blink*
[23:00] <maco> the top menu has disappeared from my quassel client
[23:00] <maco> how do i make it show?
[23:00] <maco> as in the Help, Settings, etc. bar is gone
[23:02] <maco> nevermind
[23:02] <maco> there's a right click option to reenable it
[23:03] <soee> upgrading to 13.04 it allready took > 2h and not finished yet .. :D
[23:14] <shadeslayer> maco: or ctrl+M / ctrl+shift+M for most apps
[23:15] <yofel> *headdesk*
[23:15] <yofel> *headdesk*
[23:15] <yofel> *headdesk*
[23:15] <shadeslayer> ?
[23:16] <shadeslayer> yofel: auto-upgrade-tester?
[23:16] <shadeslayer> :P
[23:16]  * yofel spent 2 hours trying to find out why the lxc rootfs got polluted by the upgrade
[23:16] <yofel> just noticed that I'm running a mainline kernel without overlayfs support
[23:16] <yofel> *headdesk*
[23:16] <shadeslayer> lol
[23:20] <shadeslayer> whoever is in charge of HW design at Apple is a idiot
[23:20] <Riddell> um
[23:20] <shadeslayer> the external monitor will only work with the radeon card
[23:20] <shadeslayer> and can't be used with the intel card :
[23:20] <shadeslayer> :|
[23:23] <bkerensa> any kubuntu devs wanna help me with something?
[23:23] <bkerensa> :D
[23:23] <bkerensa> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasmate/+bug/1152730
[23:23] <bkerensa> a user is saying running "plasmate --version" shows a old version
[23:23] <bkerensa> looking at plasmate/main.cpp it seems it shows 0.1alpha
[23:23] <bkerensa> is this not something that needs to be updated?
[23:24] <Riddell> Plasmate: 0.1alpha3
[23:24] <Riddell> well spotted that user
[23:25] <shadeslayer> http://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/109297/
[23:25] <shadeslayer> already fixed :)
[23:25] <Riddell> shadeslayer: aye but we should patch our package
[23:25] <bkerensa> Riddell: I can submit the fix
[23:26] <bkerensa> I already have the branch down
[23:26] <bkerensa> :d
[23:26] <Riddell> bkerensa: great
[23:35] <ScottK> Riddell: How is is the vc binary doesn't depend on anything?
[23:35] <Riddell> ScottK: hmm
[23:35]  * ScottK guesses that's an shlibs:Depends missing
[23:36] <ScottK> Acutally Depends is entirely missing.
[23:36] <Riddell> you might be right
[23:36]  * ScottK missed that in his review.
[23:36] <yofel> shadeslayer: tmpfs disabling support committed (r78 and 79)
[23:36] <bkerensa> =o
[23:37] <bkerensa> merge  proposal in for plasmate
[23:37] <ScottK> Riddell: Also still needs the zlib license from common/logarithm.h in debian/copyright.
[23:37] <Riddell> gotcha
[23:38] <ScottK> I'll go ahead and accept, but both those things really need fixing.
[23:42] <Riddell> fix compiling locally
[23:42] <ScottK> Great.
[23:44] <shadeslayer> awesome?
[23:45] <shadeslayer> @_@
[23:47] <Riddell> bkerensa: url?
[23:48] <bkerensa> https://code.launchpad.net/~bkerensa/ubuntu/raring/plasmate/fix-for-1152730/+merge/152538
[23:48] <yofel> hm... I'm good at breaking servers
[23:48] <yofel> $ dmesg
[23:48] <yofel> dmesg: klogctl failed: Bad address
[23:49]  * ScottK marks down "No server access for yofel" in his notes.


[08:07] <MarwenDo> hi Kilos how r u doing ?
[08:12] <Kilos> im ok ty MarwenDo ,and you?
[08:13] <MarwenDo> i'm fine :)
[08:13] <Kilos> :D