[12:37] <vzduch> for those who want to hear it: Slackware 12.0 just announced as released
[12:38] <K-Ryan> jhutchins: It's alright, I'll end up getting a new computer before I fix this one up.
[12:38] <TeraDyne> I just did something stupid. DOS level stupid...
[12:38] <K-Ryan> There's too much wrong with it
[12:38] <jhutchins> K-Ryan: You could always get a cheap case and swap the parts into it.
[12:38] <thumper-office> is there a howto somewhere for upgrading Feisty to Gusty tribe-2?
[12:39] <intelikey> vzduch oh slack one-dozen   kewl.
[12:39] <jhutchins> thumper-office: No, because Gutsy is in testing.
[12:39] <jhutchins> thumper-office: You need to clean-install it so the bugs you report are clean.
[12:39] <thumper-office> jhutchins: ok
[12:39] <jhutchins> thumper-office: Since the only reason to run Gutsy is to find and report bugs.
[12:39] <CrunchyFerrett2> hm. I dont suppose anyone knows why its throttling my CPU down to 800MHZ
[12:40] <TeraDyne> I'll probably get slack 12 later. right now, I need to get some files off my windows box. I screwed up big time.
[12:40] <jhutchins> thumper-office: When it's fairly well tested, then they'll start testing the upgrade scripts.
[12:40] <TeraDyne> "mpg321 *.mp3 -w - | oggenc -o *.ogg - && rm *.mp3"
[12:40] <isthisnickvalid_> Hey people, do you think that a PII box with 256MB of RAM can run Kubuntu? It has a 8mb nvidia.
[12:40] <Graham> What's a good video editor for Linux? I'm looking for something thatf fairly powerful, but not too complex, open or commercial
[12:40] <Graham> isthisnickvalid_: Yes.
[12:40] <intelikey> TeraDyne isn't there an mpg2ogg app ?
[12:41] <zach> Greets, everyone...
[12:41] <intelikey> or was that mp3....
[12:41] <jhutchins> Graham: Have a look at avidemux2 - not the biggest feature list, but works well.
[12:41] <intelikey> nm
[12:41] <TeraDyne> Basicly, that just took every mp3 in the directory, encoded it into a single ogg file called "*.ogg" and removed the mp3s
[12:41] <vzduch> isthisnickvalid_: 256 MB RAM is even enough to run SUSE.. whether the PII will be fast enough to have fun I don't know
[12:41] <jhutchins> Graham: There's also cinnellera (sp?).
[12:41] <TeraDyne> intelikey: Yeah, a script, but I couldn't get it to run.
[12:41] <vzduch> 8 MB gfx RAM might be a bit low, perhaps you can only run 16 bit colour depth
[12:42] <jhutchins> isthisnickvalid_: You'll want to be careful about running too much at once, but it can be done.
[12:42] <CrunchyFerrett2> !throttle
[12:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about throttle - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:42] <TeraDyne> ubotu can't drive. XD
[12:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about can't drive. xd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:42] <CrunchyFerrett2> !info throttle
[12:42] <TeraDyne> O_o;
[12:42] <K-Ryan> Heheh
[12:42] <vzduch> jhutchins: I ran SUSE 9.3 on this machine (Athlon 900) when it was still on 256 MB RAM
[12:42] <intelikey> TeraDyne yeah the mistake was the && :)   never rm until you are sure it works like you want.    i.e. it may "work" and not do what you want. as per your experiment
[12:42] <K-Ryan> Bye jhutchins
[12:43] <zach> I've borked something that is causing problems with System Settings - some of the modules are failing to load. Can someone please help?
[12:43] <ubotu> Package throttle does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[12:43] <CrunchyFerrett2> CPU throttling? Anyone?
[12:43] <vzduch> jhutchins: you mean horses?
[12:43] <ardchoille> ubotu: Glad you decided to join us
[12:43] <ardchoille> :)
[12:43] <K-Ryan> OH OH OH OH!
[12:43] <K-Ryan> I THINK IT'S WORKING!
[12:43] <TeraDyne> intelikey: Linux. It's a learning experience.
[12:44] <intelikey> yeah
[12:44] <K-Ryan> Well the CD is revving up
[12:44] <intelikey> Q. "what do linux users do?"
[12:44] <K-Ryan> WOOOO!
[12:44] <K-Ryan> Starting disc write
[12:44] <intelikey> A. "they install software"
[12:44] <K-Ryan> It's working! It's really working!
[12:44] <grishnak> CrunchyFerrett: i was allowed to adjust cpu speed after i made a full upgrade on feisty .. before that i couldnt touch a thing
[12:45] <zach> Can someone please help me get all my system settings modules back? I have to set up several user accounts.
[12:45] <ardchoille> lol
[12:45] <CrunchyFerrett2> I did the full upgrade.
[12:45] <CrunchyFerrett2> And now it tells me the throttle is 800mhz
[12:45] <CrunchyFerrett2> and It wont let me change it
[12:46] <K-Ryan> Alright, while I'm waiting on Knoppix...
[12:46] <K-Ryan> I've got an old computer that I took the main hard drive out of because I needed it
[12:46] <grishnak> same problem i had .. but mine went away after the upgrade .. running a 1g laptop
[12:46] <K-Ryan> That computer is a good 10 years old
[12:46] <CrunchyFerrett2> can I just disable CPU frequency scaling entirely?
[12:46] <K-Ryan> If I put a Kubuntu CD in the drive and tried to boot up, think it would work?
[12:47] <intelikey> zach ls /the/mount/point/of/your/backed/up/home | while read Q ;do useradd $Q ;echo $Q ;passwd $Q ;done     ?????
[12:47] <ardchoille> K-Ryan: damn small linux will probably run well on it.. but kubuntu would likely be too slow
[12:47] <ardchoille> K-Ryan: How much ram has it got?
[12:47] <K-Ryan> damn small linux...
[12:47] <K-Ryan> Umm, I'm not sure I think it had 256 and a 128
[12:47] <intelikey> dsl is good for what it is.
[12:48] <grishnak> CrunchyFerrett: i couldnt .. i reinstalled after a while .. and come to think it never appeared until kubuntu asked me if i wanted to upgrade .. i was running the previous version
[12:48] <ardchoille> K-Ryan: DSL: http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/   if you're interested.
[12:48] <K-Ryan> Thaaaaank you
[12:48] <CrunchyFerrett2> hmm
[12:48] <ardchoille> K-Ryan: DSL requires at least 128mb ram
[12:48] <CrunchyFerrett2> I want the acpid to be running, right?
[12:48] <K-Ryan> I know it has at least that
[12:48] <TeraDyne> ardchoille: I thought they had a "light" version for older hardware?
[12:49] <ardchoille> K-Ryan: You can check out tons of distros, even live ones at: http://distrowatch.com
[12:49] <K-Ryan> *bookmark*
[12:49] <ardchoille> TeraDyne: They may have, I don't know.
[12:49] <zach> intelikey: Actually I just figured it out, but thanks anyway, much appreciated. :-)
[12:50] <ardchoille> K-Ryan: iirc, the kubuntu livecd requires at least 192mb, but I could be wrong.
[12:50] <K-Ryan> Writing successfully completed
[12:50] <zach> intelikey: I had removed kde-guidance-powermanager - I think that's what screwed it up. Just reinstalled kde-guidance and now things appear to be fine.
[12:50] <K-Ryan> =D
[12:50] <A10> Any body have experience with trying to connect to peoplepc with kppp?
[12:50] <K-Ryan> So I have to go try the cd this instant
[12:50] <zach> See ya
[12:50] <CrunchyFerrett2> great
[12:50] <K-Ryan> Be back in a little bit, I'll connect here through Knoppix when I find the IRC client
[12:50] <intelikey> ardchoille version ?
[12:50] <CrunchyFerrett2> and NOW it thinks my laptop has no battery
[12:50] <CrunchyFerrett2> perhaps a reboot is in order
[12:50] <ardchoille> intelikey: Feisty?
[12:51] <intelikey> ardchoille probably.   dapper was 128
[12:51] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[12:51] <TeraDyne> CrunchyFerrett2: You did an update?
[12:51] <CrunchyFerrett2> Yeas
[12:51] <TeraDyne> Same happened to me. You have to reboot
[12:51] <ardchoille> Dapper is nice, that is one solid release, IMHO
[12:51] <isthisnickvalid_> I downloaded fretsonfire...
[12:52] <isthisnickvalid_> and when launching it the screen freezes in another resolution
[12:52] <CrunchyFerrett2> But... but.... I thought one of the major happy points for Linux was never having to reboot :(
[12:52] <intelikey> ardchoille it's getting there....
[12:52] <isthisnickvalid_> and I cannot move the mouse
[12:52] <TeraDyne> or restart whatever app that is
[12:52] <CrunchyFerrett2> I WAS LIED TOO!
[12:52] <CrunchyFerrett2> *to
[12:52] <isthisnickvalid_> it gives an error...
[12:52] <intelikey> crunchy  who said reboot ?
[12:53] <CrunchyFerrett2> Teradyne
[12:53] <TeraDyne> intelikey: me. It's the only way I could fix the power manager problem
[12:53] <CrunchyFerrett2> hmmm
[12:53] <ardchoille> s/manager/mangler/
[12:53] <ardchoille> ;)
[12:53] <intelikey> TeraDyne sudo /etc/init.d/blah restart  ???
[12:53] <grishnak> CrunchyFerrett2: yeah :) its all a lie .. the good part is that youll never forget your password .. or at least i wont forget mine since i have to use it a minimum of 3 times pr hour :)
[12:54] <TeraDyne> intelikey: I couldn't figure out which app was the power manager
[12:54] <grishnak> Dont do it man .. new monitors for laptops costs a bundle
[12:54] <CrunchyFerrett2> I own a computer repair shop
[12:54] <CrunchyFerrett2> I have plenty of spare parts onhand
[12:54] <grishnak> :) kewl  .. *cough* i might need a few soon
[12:55] <CrunchyFerrett2> rofl
[12:55] <CrunchyFerrett2> Damn.
[12:55] <intelikey> TeraDyne hehhe when in doubt use the console and  for Q in /etc/rcS.d/* ;do /etc/rcS.d/$Q restart      hehhe    getem' all....
[12:55] <CrunchyFerrett2> So I need to restart the system, but Im on the middle of a video encode.
[12:55] <CrunchyFerrett2> Rebooting might make the encode go FASTER, but then again it might not...
[12:55] <CrunchyFerrett2> Decisions decisions...
[12:56] <grishnak> flip a coin :)
[12:56] <intelikey> TeraDyne all joking aside, i was just kinda saying that if one knows enough about what they are trying to do, then usually a reboot can be avoided,    not always tho.
[12:56] <ardchoille> lol @ flip a coin
[12:57] <CrunchyFerrett2> ... it landed on "Reinstall XP"
[12:57] <grishnak> thats one wicked coin
[12:57] <ardchoille> Throw that coin away.. it's obviously micromoney
[12:57] <CrunchyFerrett2> ... and now it says "Get a Mac"
[12:58] <ardchoille> lol
[12:58] <CrunchyFerrett2> *dodge*
[12:58] <faidillinger> i got two monitors, an ati radeon 9250 with the open source drivers, and kubuntu. how can i extend my desktop to monitor number 2 ??
[01:01] <intelikey> !dualhead
[01:01] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[01:01] <CrunchyFerrett2> There HAS to be a way to make this thign go faster than 17fps
[01:02] <intelikey> !Xinerama
[01:02] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[01:05] <intelikey> behold !    a narg.
[01:05] <narg> eh?
[01:05] <CrunchyFerrett2> a what now/
[01:05] <intelikey> what's a narg anywy ???
[01:05] <narg> a character from a book series ;)
[01:05] <intelikey> -:- narg<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #kubuntu
[01:11] <hernan> saludosssss a todos/as
[01:12] <hernan> solicito ayuda
[01:12] <ardchoille> Ingles solamente en esta canel por favor
[01:12] <ardchoille> !es
[01:12] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[01:13] <hernan> okis
[01:13] <CrunchyFerrett2> WORK damn you
[01:14] <grishnak> i thought it was working .. only a wee bit slowly
[01:14] <CrunchyFerrett2> Different problem.
[01:15] <grishnak> hehe
[01:15] <CrunchyFerrett2> WiFi is not working
[01:16] <K-Ryan> Hey guys
[01:16] <K-Ryan> Operating from Knoppix
[01:16] <CrunchyFerrett2> Hm.
[01:16] <CrunchyFerrett2> ndiswrapper has an -a option.
[01:16] <CrunchyFerrett2> Am I supposed to use that at some point?
[01:17] <K-Ryan> It's using Kde though so I don't have a big graphical difference and I couldn't find the irc program so I stuck with irssi.
[01:17] <CrunchyFerrett2> I thought KNoppix shipped with xIRC
[01:17] <vzduch> K-Ryan: what's wrong w/ irssi?
[01:18] <ardchoille> doesn't knoppix have konversation?
[01:18] <ardchoille> tho, irssi is cool
[01:21] <CrunchyFerrett2> forgive me, but what is the command to make modprobe rescan everything?
[01:22] <crimsun_> CrunchyFerrett2: modprobe doesn't rescan.  What did you want to do?
[01:22] <crimsun_> (`sudo depmod -ae` ?)
[01:22] <CrunchyFerrett2> well, I just redid modprobe -i ndiswrapper
[01:22] <CrunchyFerrett2> now I want it to load
[01:23] <ejm> !beryl
[01:23] <crimsun_> CrunchyFerrett2: then re-execute it without -i
[01:24] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[01:24] <CrunchyFerrett2> "modprobe ndiswrapper" ??
[01:24] <crimsun_> CrunchyFerrett2: yes, if running the install* et al. syntaxes are intended.
[01:25] <CrunchyFerrett2> ok... did that.
[01:25] <CrunchyFerrett2> Should a new net interface appear or something?>
[01:26] <crimsun_> only if you've configured ndiswrapper appropriately [and unloaded and blacklisted the native driver, if appropriate & available]
[01:27] <CrunchyFerrett2> I unloaded and blacklisted the bcm43xx driver
[01:27] <ejm> Hey, I've got a slight problem with my TI sd card reader on my laptop. Anyway, my laptop freezes up completely if I use it.
[01:28] <rustalot> how do I add an apt-key in KDE?
[01:28] <ejm> And I took my broadcom card out because everytime I used it, not just in linux but windows as well, it would freeze my laptop up as well.
[01:30] <jussi01> rustalot: go to adept -> manage repositories -> authentication
[01:30] <CrunchyFerrett2> then I ran "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper"
[01:30] <CrunchyFerrett2> no new interfaces
[01:30] <CrunchyFerrett2> ifconfig shows my hardwire connection, and lo
[01:30] <CrunchyFerrett2> iwconfig says no wireless extensions on either.
[01:31] <CrunchyFerrett2> hm
[01:31] <CrunchyFerrett2> ok
[01:31] <CrunchyFerrett2> adding "alias wlan0 ndiswrapper" to /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper
[01:34] <bryan> How can I get windows media player files on kubuntu?
[01:35] <ejm> !mp3
[01:35] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:37] <ejm> !intel
[01:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about intel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:37] <ejm> you scum bot!
[01:38] <jussi01> ejm: be nice to the bot... ;)
[01:38] <ejm> ok, if I have to.
[01:38] <jussi01> :)
[01:40] <ejm> It'd be cool if someone forked ubuntu/kubuntu, and based/combined it with gentoo. man, gentoo is fast, but kubuntu is good enough for me.
[01:42] <crash_> ok, NOW the DSL is back
[01:42] <crash_> did I miss anything?
[01:42] <greywolf> good afternoon
[01:43] <CrunchyFerrett3> crimsun did I miss anything you were telling me
[01:43] <greywolf> I'm somewhat new to linux, so pardon my stupid mistake that I'm about to relate to you
[01:45] <K-Ryan> Okay, screw Knoppix
[01:45] <K-Ryan> The Live CD was so slow I swore it froze
[01:45] <CrunchyFerrett3> ...
[01:45] <CrunchyFerrett3> Live CD's are always slow
[01:45] <K-Ryan> 3!?
[01:45] <K-Ryan> No, I mean this was ridiculous
[01:45] <CrunchyFerrett3> dsl borked
[01:45] <K-Ryan> Oh that's right, I gotta look into that one too...
[01:46] <CrunchyFerrett3> no
[01:46] <greywolf> looking for a few games to kill time with, I recently installed PlaneShift on Kubuntu 7.04, and found that Mesa v6.3.5, the OpenGL renderer, was too old for PlaneShift to work
[01:46] <CrunchyFerrett3> DSL = My Internets Tubes
[01:46] <K-Ryan> Oh
[01:46] <K-Ryan> I thought you meant damn small linux
[01:46] <CrunchyFerrett3> lol no
[01:46] <CrunchyFerrett3> Im actually downloading another Distro as we speak, and Im gonna see if it will take my WiFi card and make it usable.
[01:46] <greywolf> so I looked around for a bit and was planning on compiling the new version, 7.0.0, but then I figured I could look around for a package to make it easier
[01:47] <ejm> what card?
[01:47] <K-Ryan> greywolf: xjewel
[01:47] <CrunchyFerrett3> If so, then I know it CAN be done. Just need to figure out HOW
[01:47] <CrunchyFerrett3> Its a BCM4318 chipset
[01:47] <K-Ryan> download and enjoy it
[01:47] <ejm> lol
[01:47] <CrunchyFerrett3> because the damned 43xx drivers dont like me, and ndiswrapper wont even acknowledge my existance
[01:47] <ejm> I can't stand broadcom. Since they did whatever it was to "help" linux,
[01:47] <ejm> I took out my broadcom card.
[01:47] <greywolf> K-Ryan: ok, I'll do that in a bit :P
[01:48] <greywolf> so I looked around on the ubuntu package search site and found that Gutsy has 7.0.0 packages
[01:48] <ejm> It was freezing my pc everytime I used it anyway, whether in windows or linux.
[01:48] <CrunchyFerrett3> my NEXT step is to find the linux Synaptic TouchPad drivers, so I can disable the damned TAP function
[01:49] <CrunchyFerrett3> may as well do that now
[01:49] <greywolf> so I figured, instead of downloading the 10-odd packages and dependencies I need, I'll just add the repositories and that way it'll upgrade all the dependencies anyway
[01:49] <K-Ryan> greywolf: there's neverball too
[01:50] <ejm> there's a way to disable it.
[01:50] <greywolf> so I installed the mesa stuff, but seeing 1,100 packages just waiting to be updated (via Gutsy's repositories) was too much for me to handle (and I wanted to be on the cutting edge, too...), so I mark it all as a full upgrade and wait several hours for it to download/install
[01:50] <CrunchyFerrett3> yeah, getting the package for it now
[01:50] <ejm> I don't remember what synaptic ui I used though.
[01:51] <greywolf> unfortunately, it looks like it broke gnome about a third of the way through, and now I can't uninstall gnome or reinstall it, even after removing gutsy's repositories
[01:52] <greywolf> I tried removing .metacity, .gnome, .gnome2, and all the assorted .gnome-related directories in my home dir, and managed to get libgnome2-0 removed, but now nothing else gnome related will install or get removed
[01:52] <K-Ryan> What's BSD stand for?
[01:53] <CrunchyFerrett3> Berkley something or other
[01:53] <greywolf> Adept yells at me saying,"There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages."
[01:53] <greywolf> at this point, I don't really care if it breaks any more packages, I just want to reinstall gnome, and clean up the collateral damage afterwards
[01:54] <hitmanWilly> greywolf: use apt instead and see what errors it throws
[01:54] <hitmanWilly> greywolf: those are usually a little more verbose
[01:54] <ejm> ok, is kubuntu 7.04 known as feisty? I get the names mixed up. I know that 7.10 is gutsy
[01:54] <greywolf> I did type this in the terminal: sudo apt-get --purge remove compiz-gnome
[01:54] <hitmanWilly> ejm: yes
[01:55] <greywolf> lemme paste the output somewhere really fast
[01:55] <ejm> k
[01:55] <hitmanWilly> greywolf: ok
[01:56] <K-Ryan> What do you guys think is the most widely used distro?
[01:56] <ejm> gentoo
[01:56] <CrunchyFerrett3> OSX
[01:56] <greywolf> this is the output: http://rafb.net/p/4GWb0L87.html
[01:56] <CrunchyFerrett3> !touchpad
[01:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about touchpad - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:56] <hitmanWilly> CrunchyFerrett3: nah, OSX is BSD :)
[01:56] <CrunchyFerrett3> !tap
[01:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tap - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:57] <hitmanWilly> CrunchyFerrett3: i don't think that counts as a distro
[01:57] <CrunchyFerrett3> !TURNOFFTHEDAMNEDTAPONTHETOUCHPAD
[01:57] <ejm> gentoo and ubuntu combined--wow! talk about speed and stability.
[01:58] <ejm> but the developers would argue about every little thing that most people don't care about, not that that's bad.
[01:58] <hitmanWilly> ejm: i use both myself, on different machines
[01:59] <ejm> my problem with gentoo is getting the useflags or whatever they are set right.
[01:59] <ejm> and the installer quits on me 1/2 through.
[01:59] <hitmanWilly> ejm: bah, the gentoo installer sux, use the guide on gentoo.org and do it by hand
[01:59] <ejm> yeah
[02:00] <BluesKaj> K-Ryan, BSD stands for "Berkeley Software Distribution"
[02:00] <K-Ryan> Any relation to BSOD?
[02:00] <K-Ryan> =)
[02:00] <ejm> And I don't like having my cpu temp. shoot up to 74 degrees C in 2 seconds.
[02:01] <greywolf> ok I just ran this: sudo apt-get -f install, and it spat this out at me: http://rafb.net/p/sEMfrA92.html
[02:01] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: actually, BSD is probably the most stable OS out there once its set up right
[02:01] <greywolf> it looks like the same problem
[02:01] <K-Ryan> hitmanWilly: Just kidding around ;)
[02:01] <hitmanWilly> greywolf: did you remove ubuntu-desktop?
[02:02] <greywolf> not yet
[02:02] <BluesKaj> K-Ryan, it's unix based like linux, but BSD is what you get when a bunch of Unix hackers sit down to try to port a Unix system to the PC. Linux is what you get when a bunch of PC hackers sit down and try to write a Unix system for the PC.... this a quote from The BSD site: http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/bsd4linux1.php
[02:02] <ejm> anyway, supper is ready, and the food is waiting. see you all in an hour or so.
[02:02] <hitmanWilly> greywolf: but you probably removed something it depends on, cuz it wants to remove it
[02:03] <Xbehave> ive installed java 5 and java 6 but a program is telling me i need to update?
[02:03] <greywolf> is there anything I can do besides a reinstall?
[02:03] <greywolf> (of the OS)
[02:04] <BluesKaj> yeah hitmanWilly , the qualifier is : once you get it set up right ...setting it up is pretty daunting
[02:04] <greywolf> wait
[02:04] <hitmanWilly> greywolf: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[02:04] <greywolf> yeah I did removeit
[02:04] <greywolf> *remove it
[02:04] <greywolf> I just double-checked in adept
[02:04] <hitmanWilly> BluesKaj: not for a gentoo junkie :P
[02:04] <BluesKaj> ahhh, have you run BSD , hitmanWilly ?
[02:05] <hitmanWilly> BluesKaj: played around a little, but nothing serious, tho
[02:05] <CrunchyFerrett3> well. ksynaptics doesnt seem to want to work either.
[02:05] <CrunchyFerrett3> Someone remind me why I'm experimenting with Linux again?
[02:05] <greywolf> it spat this at me: http://rafb.net/p/ERk7v972.html
[02:05] <hitmanWilly> BluesKaj: but that was just in a VM :)
[02:07] <Xbehave> because its free and you cant experiment with windows (well not legally easily and cheaply)
[02:08] <fyrmedic> how do I skip the automatic fsck during boot? And if I can't how do I fix read errors on hda1?
[02:09] <CrunchyFerrett3> Xbehave: dont suppose I can argue with that.
[02:09] <CrunchyFerrett3> WiFi and the Touch pad... those get fixed and I will sing Linux's praises.
[02:09] <hitmanWilly> greywolf: is your system up to date?
[02:10] <greywolf> yeah, it should be
[02:10] <greywolf> it's 7.04
[02:10] <hitmanWilly> greywolf: ah, wait, i see...i think it has something to do with the gnome packages being slated for removal
[02:11] <greywolf> yeah, they don't want to reinstall
[02:11] <K-Ryan> I can run DSL in Kubuntu?
[02:11] <Xbehave> CrunchyFerrett3: you running fiesty? thats got the best wifi support
[02:11] <hitmanWilly> greywolf: ok, do you mind reinstalling gnome altogether? or do you want to go the KDE or XFCE route?
[02:12] <Dusk_> K-Ryan: DSL?
[02:12] <Dusk_> K-Ryan: of course
[02:12] <greywolf> I *want* to reinstall gnome :P
[02:12] <greywolf> I'm on KDE now
[02:12] <K-Ryan> Cool, how? =)
[02:12] <greywolf> I don't care about XFCE
[02:12] <Xbehave> but yes wifi does suck in linux it can be hard work if you dont have correct hardware (ofc once your running linux its not too hard to get the right hardware)
[02:13] <Dusk_> ethernet or usb modem?
[02:13] <hitmanWilly> greywolf: ok, try this, sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop (you've done this already, correct?)
[02:13] <voidmage> you know that just removes the ubuntu-desktop metapackage, right?
[02:13] <greywolf> yeah, ubuntu-desktop is gone
[02:14] <hitmanWilly> greywolf: ok, sudo apt-get autoremove will remove everything that ubuntu-desktop depends on...namely, gnome and associated utils
[02:14] <hitmanWilly> greywolf: don't worry, you can reinstall them later and it should preserve most of your configs
[02:15] <hitmanWilly> greywolf: unless you --purge
[02:16] <hitmanWilly> greywolf: how do you want to reinstall? you can do either ubuntu-desktop, which brings all kind of cruft with it, or you can do individual packages (ie gnome, evolution) seperately
[02:17] <greywolf> I'll try the easiest way first :P
[02:17] <greywolf> although I don't think the ubuntu-desktop way will work
[02:17] <hitmanWilly> greywolf: give it a shot anyway
[02:18] <hitmanWilly> greywolf: or don't, its up to you :)
[02:18] <greywolf> heh, I will
[02:18] <hitmanWilly> greywolf: let me know if that fixes the problem
[02:19] <greywolf> ok
[02:22] <abaridginay> wow
[02:24] <greywolf> gah this is so frustrating
[02:25] <greywolf> :\
[02:25] <K-Ryan> You should try finding the right .iso for DSL...
[02:26] <greywolf> can I force a removal of a package somehow?
[02:29] <hitmanWilly> greywolf: apt-get --force remove should do it
[02:29] <hitmanWilly> greywolf: or something like that
[02:29] <Xbehave> ive installed java 1.5 and java 1.6 but a program is telling me i need to update?, how do i fix this?
[02:30] <hitmanWilly> brb
[02:32] <jhutchins> greywolf: Given how much work it's been so far, how attractive has a clean reinstall become?
[02:47] <linux_> ow como que instalo mp3 sem apt-get???????
[02:48] <linux_> alguem me ajuda!!
[02:48] <jhutchins> !pt | linux_
[02:48] <ubotu> linux_: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[02:48] <linux_> tenho proxi aqui e nao tenho como instalar por console
[02:49] <linux_> vlw
[02:49] <jhutchins> !mp3 | linux_
[02:49] <ubotu> linux_: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:49] <jhutchins> ...all in English, I'm afraid.
[02:50] <jhutchins> Still, you can run them through babelfish.
[03:04] <raymond> I'm trying to use theme manager but it says i need to use administrator privleges yet there is no button for it
[03:04] <raymond> how do i get into administrator mode?
[03:06] <wsjunior> raymond: which theme manager?
[03:06] <wsjunior> raymond: just open kcontrol and go to appearance & themes and then select theme manager
[03:07] <raymond> kdm theme. i did that but it wont let me make changes
[03:07] <wsjunior> uh that's different :-)
[03:07] <raymond> says i have to click the adminstator button which doesnt exist
[03:07] <wsjunior> alt+f2 and then type kdmtheme
[03:07] <wsjunior> there will be a button to be clicked ;-D
[03:08] <raymond> ah there it is
[03:08] <raymond> thanks
[03:08] <wsjunior> np
[03:08] <wsjunior> ;-D
[03:09] <K-Ryan> I'm baaaaaaaack =)
[03:10] <K-Ryan> http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/usb.html
[03:10] <K-Ryan> Think it's worth it?
[03:13] <K-Ryan> No input? Ah, too bad.
[03:15] <KevInAlaska> anyone know a reason that 'Beryl' would not load up more then just an icon for a few seconds on initial starting of it then nothing...?
[03:15] <K-Ryan> Try opening it in the terminal
[03:16] <KevInAlaska> really terminal?  okay I will try it.
[03:16] <K-Ryan> If that doesn't fix it, it should give more feedback as to what is going wrong
[03:16] <K-Ryan> Just type in "beryl"
[03:20] <KevInAlaska> well it worked and it didnt work.  In terminal it read (Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[03:20] <KevInAlaska> Root visual is not a GL visual
[03:20] <KevInAlaska> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[03:20] <KevInAlaska> beryl: Root visual is not a GL visual
[03:20] <KevInAlaska> beryl: Failed to manage screen: 0
[03:20] <KevInAlaska> beryl: No manageable screens found on display :0)
[03:20] <KevInAlaska> whoops.. didnt mean all the seperate lines.
[03:20] <K-Ryan> It does it when you paste stuff in
[03:20] <K-Ryan> Careful with that, you should really use pastebin
[03:20] <K-Ryan> If you had one more line the bot probably would of kicked you =P
[03:21] <KevInAlaska> yeah... I forgot about pastebin... is it still bugged?
[03:21] <K-Ryan> You might want to try the #ubuntu-effects
[03:21] <K-Ryan> Bugged?
[03:22] <K-Ryan> Anyone know how to run Damn Small Linux under Kubuntu>
[03:22] <K-Ryan> ?
[03:22] <KevInAlaska> yeah.. it used to give me a kind of white screen (via HTML) that read some error message
[03:22] <K-Ryan> Strange
[03:22] <K-Ryan> paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[03:23] <K-Ryan> Err, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[03:23] <KevInAlaska> I would have to back up the page then click on my pastebin posting that shows up in the upper left corner fo the screen, at that point I could copy the address at the top to paste in here.
[03:23] <KevInAlaska> I will try that one.
[03:24] <KevInAlaska> is 'GLX' something that is a apt-get thing to load?
[03:24] <K-Ryan> I don't think so
[03:24] <K-Ryan> I don't remember getting it
[03:24] <K-Ryan> You setup Fglrx and Xgl?
[03:24] <KevInAlaska> dependency?
[03:25] <K-Ryan> I'm assuming you have Ati
[03:25] <K-Ryan> Do you?
[03:25] <KevInAlaska> nVidia 6800 GT
[03:25] <K-Ryan> Oh, that's strange...
[03:25] <K-Ryan> I never had any problems with my Nvidia
[03:25] <K-Ryan> You got the drivers for it though right?
[03:26] <KevInAlaska> yep.
[03:26] <K-Ryan> Try this
[03:26] <K-Ryan> sudo apt-get remove beryl beryl-manager && sudo apt-get install beryl beryl-manager
[03:26] <KevInAlaska> used Envy like I did last time.  I did a reinstall two days ago and the last install envy and beryl worked flawlessly
[03:26] <KevInAlaska> okay.. one sec
[03:27] <K-Ryan> Yeah that might take a minute or two depending on how fast your internet connection is
[03:27] <KevInAlaska> done
[03:27] <K-Ryan> Try
[03:28] <KevInAlaska> okay beryl red diamond is jumpping on my pointer and berly manager program on the bar was there and then 20 seconds about .. its gone
[03:29] <K-Ryan> Try "beryl-manager" in the terminal
[03:29] <defcon> what are some good ways to optimize memory consumption in ubuntu, my ubuntu often freezes and wont open apps
[03:29] <KevInAlaska> when I did the terminal it did load it up but didnt work.  I would get the red diamond down there with the options and the configure window if needed but nothing seemed to come of the difference choices I have tried.
[03:29] <KevInAlaska> trying the terminal load again
[03:29] <K-Ryan> Hrmm
[03:30] <KevInAlaska> trying something and will have to sever the irc.. brb
[03:31] <posingaspopular> here's a question for the room. i have to boot into a windows partition to look at some files. when i try to boot the win partition,it wont start. is there anyway i can boot open a virtual machine and trick the computer into opening the win partition in kubuntu?
[03:32] <K-Ryan> You can mount the drive and look at it in Kubuntu
[03:32] <K-Ryan> There are ways to setup read-write for ntfs but it's not recommended.
[03:32] <posingaspopular> K-Ryan: i dont need to mount the drive, i need to look at the actual OS
[03:32] <K-Ryan> And you can run Windows in some program
[03:32] <K-Ryan> Ah
[03:33] <K-Ryan> Not sure what program it was or how to do it though, sorry
[03:34] <posingaspopular> im just going to try it and see what happens. thanks K-Ryan
[03:34] <K-Ryan> Any luck KevinAlaska?
[03:34] <K-Ryan> No problem posingaspopular
[03:35] <KevInAlaska> no luck.
[03:35] <defcon> what are some good ways to optimize memory consumption in ubuntu, my ubuntu often freezes and wont open apps?
[03:36] <K-Ryan> KevInAlaska: You have restarted since installing the drivers and the Nvidia splash screen shows up before the login screen right?
[03:36] <jay_> hey guys, i have a question..... i am running ubuntu on a imac g3 ppc and i have to set the depth to 8 in order to see a viewable but still fuzzy screen, anyone know of a good fix for this ?
[03:37] <KevInAlaska> sorry I could not type after trying "beryl" from CLI
[03:38] <K-Ryan> It's alright
[03:38] <KevInAlaska> I had to control + alt + backspace
[03:38] <K-Ryan> When you did that, you got the Nvidia pop up screen right?
[03:38] <KevInAlaska> so one of two things happen when I load it.
[03:39] <KevInAlaska> not when I control alt backspace... but when I load from reboot or cold boot
[03:39] <K-Ryan> Okay
[03:39] <K-Ryan> So your drivers are functioning
[03:39] <K-Ryan> Have you tried #ubuntu-effects ?
[03:39] <KevInAlaska> 1) tries to load then nothing or it kind of loads with the red diamond and and I can bring up options but nothing beyond that.
[03:39] <KevInAlaska> no.. I will now.. going to load up that chat
[03:39] <K-Ryan> Oh hold on
[03:40] <K-Ryan> You get the icon in the tray?
[03:40] <K-Ryan> Right click it, go to window manager and click Beryl
[03:40] <K-Ryan> Instead of Kwin
[03:42] <posingaspopular> defcon: you could try using xfce as your desktop enviornment
[03:42] <posingaspopular> it's very lightweight. used alot in laptops and old computers
[03:44] <defcon> im running gnome, that is pretty lightweight
[03:44] <defcon> im running a dual 3 ghz
[03:44] <KevInAlaska> oops.. sorry K-Ryan I had already joined the other channel and missed your "Oh hold on" :)
[03:44] <defcon> only thing lacking is ram and video card
[03:44] <K-Ryan> It's okay KevInAlaska, try it though
[03:45] <pwilson_> hi folk, could i get some help installing openGL? wine is telling me i don't have any opengl extention, running fiesty
[03:46] <K-Ryan> pwilson_: What kind of video card? Ati? Nvidia?
[03:46] <pwilson_> ati m300
[03:46] <K-Ryan> m300?
[03:46] <K-Ryan> Never heard of that model
[03:46] <zibrah3ed> probably an older compaq
[03:46] <K-Ryan> You can try your luck with...
[03:46] <K-Ryan> !ati
[03:47] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:47] <pwilson_> from lspci ---   ATI Technologies Inc M22 [Radeon Mobility M300]
[03:48] <pwilson_> well, that just it, the ati driver is installed and working, but wine is saying it can't find the extentions
[03:48] <pwilson_> for open gl
[03:48] <K-Ryan> Hmm
[03:48] <K-Ryan> You setup Fglrx and Xgl?
[03:48] <jay_> anyone here know anything about getting ubuntu on a newworld imac g3 ? the screen is screwed up, i've tried a variety of things in the xorg.conf file
[03:48] <zibrah3ed> are you sure the ati driver is loaded
[03:48] <pwilson_> I've checked the xorg.conf, ati is the driver its loading.
[03:49] <pwilson_> and it works fine
[03:49] <pwilson_> I can't get the beryl window manager to work either, it just crashes and reverts to default.
[03:50] <pwilson_> here is the error wine is throwing.
[03:50] <KevInAlaska> I had to control alt backspace again
[03:50] <K-Ryan> No luck KevInAlaska?
[03:50] <KevInAlaska> tried to get the diamond up again.
[03:50] <K-Ryan> I'm out of ideas, try the other channel for now
[03:50] <K-Ryan> Sorry
[03:50] <pwilson_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28281/
[03:51] <KevInAlaska> no worries.. you have been more then helpful.  might I ask what your statement was on clicking on the icon first?
[03:52] <K-Ryan> The icon popped up in that icon tray on your taskbar right?
[03:52] <pwilson_> Any recomendations?
[03:52] <jay_> damn you guys are no help, you guys suck cock i'm out of here bitches
[03:52] <K-Ryan> -.-
[03:53] <pwilson_> lol
[03:53] <K-Ryan> Some people...
[03:53] <zibrah3ed> jay wonderful way to get help
[03:53] <zibrah3ed> I'm sure i'll try to never help you
[03:54] <zibrah3ed> pwilson_ I had the same graphics card on my old compaq and I never got it to work
[03:54] <hitmanWilly> was that a troll?
[03:54] <K-Ryan> hitmanWilly: Don't know, what did he ask?
[03:54] <intelikey> troll ?   surely not !
[03:54] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: jay earlier
[03:54] <pwilson_> Well, thats just it, it does work, i'm just having this specific problems.
[03:54] <zibrah3ed> newworld imac screen screwed up
[03:55] <hitmanWilly> just got back and heard the 'you guys are no help' thing from jay
[03:55] <K-Ryan> pwilson_ I took a look and nothing that I would recognize was there, sorry
[03:55] <K-Ryan> hitmanWilly: Nobody could help him so he just assumed we were ignoring him
[03:55] <hitmanWilly> ah, k
[03:55] <intelikey> hitmanWilly me too.   but is that one of those places where we shouldn't assume malus ?
[03:55] <pwilson_> Thanks for looking ryan.
[03:56] <K-Ryan> Sorry I couldn't help pwilson_ =P
[03:56] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: probably....
[03:56] <K-Ryan> Anyone know why K3b would refuse to burn me an .iso?
[03:56] <K-Ryan> I did one before, and now it's not working again
[03:56] <K-Ryan> Tried SAO, DAO, and TAO
[03:56] <K-Ryan> Each one told me to use one of the others
[03:56] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: could be a drive issue
[03:57] <K-Ryan> But it did work before
[03:57] <intelikey> or group issue
[03:57] <K-Ryan> It didn't work for Feather Linux, then worked for Knoppix, and now won't work for Damn Small Linux
[03:57] <intelikey> anything that might have changed the groups you are in K-Ryan ?   or the permissions in /dev ?
[03:57] <K-Ryan> intelikey: Nothing should have done that
[03:57] <K-Ryan> I haven't even screwed around with my system today
[03:58] <pwilson_> To recap for those who just came in, Winde can't find my openGL extentions, vid card is an ATI m22, ati is listed as driver in xorg.conf, wine error is here--->  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28281/  Also, beryl crashes.
[03:58] <K-Ryan> By the way, for some reason when I select the DSL .iso it says Volume Id: KNOPPIX
[03:58] <pwilson_> But 3d screen savers render fine.
[03:58] <intelikey> !ati | pwilson_ not that you don't already know this but:
[03:58] <ubotu> pwilson_ not that you don't already know this but:: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:58] <zibrah3ed> K-ryan thats normal
[03:59] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: i think DSL is originally based off of knoppix
[03:59] <K-Ryan> Just making sure that something didn't go wrong
[03:59] <zibrah3ed> it is
[03:59] <K-Ryan> Because Knoppix is the last Iso I made
[03:59] <pwilson_> Ati driver is already installed. :(
[03:59] <K-Ryan> Yeah his drivers seem to be in order
[04:00] <K-Ryan> =)
[04:00] <zibrah3ed> semantics
[04:00] <pwilson_> I'll try reinstalling from the non-free binary
[04:01] <zibrah3ed> Pwilson check out http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Feisty_Installation_Guide
[04:02] <defcon> quick question, will apt-get remove beagle remove beagle search, search database files and all beagle stored information or is there another command argument for that?
[04:02] <K-Ryan> I'm trying to simulate the SAO thing now, and it's been nearly 2 minutes and I've got nothing
[04:04] <K-Ryan> Almost 3 and a half minutes, still nothing =(
[04:04] <K-Ryan> 3:28
[04:04] <K-Ryan> Sending CUE sheet
[04:04] <K-Ryan> Unable to send CUE sheet
[04:04] <K-Ryan> What's that mean?
[04:05] <K-Ryan> !CUE
[04:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cue - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:05] <K-Ryan> =(
[04:06] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: you might try in #k3b or something
[04:06] <K-Ryan> That's a channel?
[04:06] <hitmanWilly> i dunno, probably
[04:06] <zibrah3ed> Cue sheet (computing), a text file that details the layout of tracks on a compact disc
[04:07] <K-Ryan> It's empty =(
[04:07] <hitmanWilly> they have a channel for pretty much everything else here :P
[04:07] <K-Ryan> This is such a PITA
[04:07] <K-Ryan> What makes it worse, a perfectly fine CD burner is no more than 3 feet behind me
[04:08] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: how does it set up permissions for the drive?
[04:08] <K-Ryan> But the whole damn computer is being hogged by my brother who plays games and that's all his life consists of
[04:08] <K-Ryan> Now he's addicted to Maple Story -.-
[04:08] <K-Ryan> hitmanWilly: No idea
[04:09] <zibrah3ed> I know this is dumb but have you tried to start k3b as root
[04:09] <euphoria> hi everyone does anyb ody know ow i can get drivers for the4 dialup modem in my toshiba satellite a100 laptop, i believe teh modem is integrated into the soundcard ?
[04:09] <K-Ryan> I haven't, should I?
[04:09] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: actually, see if you're in the media or dvd or whatever group your distro uses
[04:09] <zibrah3ed> It would determine whether its hw or permissions
[04:09] <K-Ryan> I'm using Kubuntu fyi
[04:09] <zibrah3ed> root is root
[04:10] <K-Ryan> Directed at hitmanWIlly ;)
[04:10] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: well, you were talking about Knoppix and DSL earlier, so I wasn't sure :P
[04:10] <K-Ryan> Yeah sorry for the confusion =P
[04:11] <K-Ryan> I'm trying to burn DSL
[04:11] <K-Ryan> I was burning Knoppix before
[04:11] <hitmanWilly> anyway, try it with kdesu, see if that works
[04:12] <K-Ryan> Why does anything that gets run as root from terminal use the default theme?
[04:12] <intelikey> i don't know about k3b but xcdroast wont work until you run it one time as root so it can setup the system config
[04:12] <zibrah3ed> Because that is theme set for the root accou nt
[04:12] <K-Ryan> I'll have to change that =)
[04:12] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: its cause your chosen theme is just for your acct
[04:13] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: its actually a good idea in case you forget that its a root app running
[04:13] <Daisuke_Ido> nice side effect is that you KNOW at a glance if something's running as root
[04:13] <K-Ryan> Oh
[04:13] <K-Ryan> It's not that different from my current one
[04:13] <K-Ryan> It's just slightly brighter
[04:13] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: or at least set it to something different than you normally use
[04:14] <K-Ryan> hitmanWilly: I planned on it
[04:14] <K-Ryan> =)
[04:14] <K-Ryan> Almost 2:30 and nothing has happened yet
[04:14] <admin___> quien habla espaol?
[04:14] <K-Ryan> !es
[04:14] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[04:14] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: may be HW issues then
[04:14] <K-Ryan> It worked before
[04:14] <K-Ryan> Wait a second!
[04:14] <roggers> ok gracias
[04:14] <K-Ryan> He's off his computer! Quick!
[04:15] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: sometimes a drive will half work for a while before it goes completely kaput
[04:15] <K-Ryan> Strange
[04:15] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: or it could be the ribbon cable, or it could even be the IDE controller on the mobo
[04:16] <K-Ryan> What could be wrong with the ribbon cable?
[04:16] <intelikey> ide  heh
[04:17] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan: could have come loose, got caught in a fan and damaged, the possibilities are endless :P
[04:17] <intelikey> endless ?
[04:17] <K-Ryan> Mmm, I'll have to open it back up again I suppose
[04:17] <K-Ryan> The computer, not the cable...
[04:17] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: well, not literally, but you get the drift
[04:18] <hitmanWilly> theres a lot of potential HW failure points is what im trying to say
[04:18] <intelikey> the possabilites are three for a malfunctioning cable   1, open circut  2, short circut  3, high resistance
[04:18] <zibrah3ed> 4. mice
[04:18] <intelikey> falls under 1 and 3
[04:19] <intelikey> err 2
[04:19] <zibrah3ed> lol
[04:19] <K-Ryan> Yeah I guess you're right about that...
[04:19] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: i was drifting more towards the practical end of the spectrum, as in what caused one of the three above mentioned issues
[04:20] <pwilson_> Stupid question, could someone tell me where to find the resticted package manager in KDE once installed? fiesty.
[04:20] <Daisuke_Ido> add/remove programs...  not the same thing, but video drivers are in there, i believe
[04:21] <pwilson_> It says they are already installed, I need to manage them.
[04:21] <intelikey> pwilson_ you can always launch things from the konsole if you don't see a menu itom
[04:21] <pwilson_> what would the comand be in console?
[04:21] <pwilson_> lol
[04:21] <intelikey> open a konsole and start with rest[tab] [tab]
[04:21] <intelikey> use the tab key luke.
[04:22] <pwilson_> I've got a long way to go, I've finally deleted my vista partition, so I'm not going back, but its an uphill struggle for someone who has been using dos/win for 20 years.
[04:22] <Daisuke_Ido> you'll be fine
[04:23] <pwilson_> Lol, not if I can't find something as simple as a package manager.
[04:23] <intelikey> pwilson_ yes it is.  you didn't learn dos/windows in a day so don't expect to master linux in a day...
[04:23] <K-Ryan> pwilson_: You don't have Adept or Synaptic?
[04:23] <K-Ryan> Try sudo apt-get install kubuntu_desktop
[04:23] <K-Ryan> err kubuntu-desktop
[04:24] <intelikey> K-Ryan he means the "restricted package manager" from the ubuntu side of things
[04:24] <K-Ryan> or was it kubuntu-minimal?
[04:24] <pwilson_> I do, have adept.
[04:24] <K-Ryan> Oh that thing, yeah I never found that thing either
[04:24] <pwilson_> How hard would it be to go to gnome? from a fresh kubuntu install?
[04:25] <K-Ryan> Not hard, you just install the right stuff and click "Gnome" instead of "Kde" when you log in
[04:25] <K-Ryan> If I'm not mistaken
[04:25] <afaith> hello my fellow mates!
[04:25] <intelikey> pwilson_ install "gnome"  and logout/log into gnome
[04:25] <zibrah3ed> pwilson_ "restricted-manager"
[04:25] <afaith> i've got a problem and i don't know what to do
[04:26] <afaith> if i reboot my default route is set from ppp0 to eth0
[04:26] <K-Ryan> brb
[04:26] <afaith> and i cannot access the internet
[04:26] <pwilson_> Will everything be set up in gnome as if it were a fresh ubuntu install?
[04:26] <zibrah3ed> pwilson_ yes
[04:26] <afaith> only if i delete that route manually and i set it again
[04:26] <pwilson_> WOOT, found the restricted manager.
[04:26] <afaith> for the pppo device
[04:26] <pwilson_> thanks for the console tip.
[04:26] <afaith> can anyone give me a helping hand please ?
[04:26] <zibrah3ed> np
[04:26] <pwilson_> TAB rocks in the console, I feel much better.
[04:27] <intelikey> pwilson_ no that would require installing ubuntu-desktop   but there may be issues when you have both kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop installed   some of the defaults may not be what you expect.
[04:27] <intelikey> pwilson_ yeah it do.  :)
[04:28] <illriginal> Does anyone know about ventrilo?
[04:28] <afaith> no one is willing to give me a helping hand ?
[04:28] <intelikey> illriginal it's usually more productive to simply describe the issue you are having than to ask if anyone knows about blah
[04:29] <pwilson_> ack, im 800 megs into a 3gig file download, and kde wants to restart.
[04:29] <pwilson_> lol
[04:30] <hitmanWilly> pwilson_: then wait until you're done, this isn't windows :P
[04:30] <intelikey> afaith my answer probably wouldn't be what you are looking for but: "i would put the commands you issue to streighten the thing out in a script and call it from /etc/rc.local
[04:30] <intelikey> "
[04:30] <illriginal> intelikey, i wanna get a program that's for mac and windows to work on linux, i haven't downloaded it yet.
[04:30] <illriginal> http://www.ventrilo.com/download.php
[04:30] <afaith> intelikey: i've already done that, same problem
[04:30] <scott__> Hello
[04:31] <intelikey> illriginal and you want to know how hard/easy it is to get it working... ?
[04:31] <intelikey> afaith may i see what you have done ?
[04:31] <illriginal> intelikey, i dunno if crossoffice or wine will be good enough :x
[04:31] <afaith> intelikey: of course
[04:31] <afaith> intelikey: route del -net <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:31] <scott__> I am configuring a new system and mistakenly dropped myself from the admin group using usermod
[04:32] <hitmanWilly> illriginal: check the wine app database
[04:32] <afaith> intelikey: route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:32] <scott__> now I can no longer sudo
[04:32] <zibrah3ed> Illriginal wine db rates ventrilo as silver, not going to be real stable
[04:32] <scott__> I was the only sudo-allowed user
[04:32] <scott__> is there any way out of this?
[04:32] <hitmanWilly> scott__: reboot into a recovery console
[04:32] <illriginal> zibrah3ed, is it better that i use cross office?
[04:32] <intelikey> scott__ one soultion.  reboot to single user mode and fix it.
[04:32] <hitmanWilly> scott__: that runs with root perms
[04:33] <scott__> thank you!
[04:33] <zibrah3ed> illriginal i have never personallhy used cross over office so i don't know
[04:33] <illriginal> ok zibrah3ead :P
[04:34] <intelikey> afaith ok but what about an "ifconfig ppp0 <ip> "   would that not do what you need ?   (intelikey is network illiterater)
[04:35] <intelikey>   <<<<---- don't listen to him on network things....
[04:35] <afaith> the ip of ppp0 is from a dhcp server
[04:36] <afaith> do you think i should kill pppd can try to recall it in /etc/rc.local ?
[04:36] <zibrah3ed> illriginal it seems some have had luck running it on cedega
[04:36] <CrunchyFerrett> sigh
[04:36] <hitmanWilly> afaith: could you restart dhcpd, see if that works?
[04:36] <CrunchyFerrett> How can I tell if ndiswrapper is actually doing anything?
[04:36] <intelikey> oh    define it in /etc/network/interfaces
[04:37] <intelikey> CrunchyFerrett lsmod will list the modules inserted
[04:37] <afaith> hitmanWilly: i can't it isn't my dhcp server
[04:37] <afaith> intelikey: thanks for the tip, let's try
[04:37] <CrunchyFerrett> lsmod's output is longer than I can scroll back :P
[04:37] <intelikey> ?
[04:38] <intelikey> really ?
[04:38] <intelikey> well pipe it into  less
[04:38] <intelikey> lsmod | less
[04:38] <hitmanWilly> CrunchyFerrett: that's normal with a buntu box, try | less
[04:38] <afaith> intelikey: there is no reference to ppp0 in /etc/network/interfaces
[04:38] <illriginal> zibrah3ad yeah i got it runnin :P
[04:38] <illriginal> looks good so far
[04:38] <hitmanWilly> afaith: that means it should default to dhcp
[04:38] <zibrah3ed> good
[04:38] <intelikey> afaith yeah that's what i was saying, i think you need to make one
[04:39] <afaith> oh... and what should i type there ?
[04:39] <afaith> i'm not a linux guru :(
[04:39] <intelikey> hitmanWilly help afaith get that ppp0 streightened out
[04:39] <CrunchyFerrett> well
[04:40] <hitmanWilly> afaith: what exactly is the issue again?
[04:40] <CrunchyFerrett> bcm43xx isn't loaded. ndiswrapper IS loaded. Still no additional network interfaces.
[04:40] <hitmanWilly> afaith: it won't connect?
[04:40] <CrunchyFerrett> and Im not going to sleep until this works!!
[04:40] <intelikey> hitmanWilly problem is startup sets eth0 as the default network connection and he needs ppp0
[04:40] <afaith> if i reboot my default route is set from ppp0 to eth0 and i cannot access the internet only if i delete that route manually and i set it again
[04:41] <intelikey> so can't he do that in /etc/network/interfaces  ???          <i don't know how or i'd have already said>
[04:42] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: nah, needs to edit the init script
[04:42] <intelikey> that i can do  :)
[04:42] <hitmanWilly> interfaces just list how the individual devices connect ie dhcp or static at such and such address
[04:43] <hitmanWilly> hold on a sec while i look something up
[04:44] <intelikey> !patience | afaith
[04:44] <ubotu> afaith: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[04:45] <afaith> intelikey: i'm more than patience even if i've got only 30 minutes to solve this ... i'm going to a nearby resort and i have to reboot my pc now, to take it to another room
[04:45] <afaith> so ... it's now or never
[04:47] <intelikey> yep that's patient  :)
[04:48] <afaith> 20 tigars helped me :P
[04:49] <hitmanWilly> still looking....
[04:50] <afaith> thanks .. if you could help me to solve this tremendous problem i would be more than grateful
[04:51] <hitmanWilly> afaith: ok, intelikey may have been right with the interfaces file, was thinking something else
[04:51] <afaith> so, what should i type in that interfaces file ?
[04:51] <hitmanWilly> afaith: does /etc/network/interfaces have any reference to ppp0?
[04:51] <afaith> i ave no clue...
[04:52] <afaith> hitmanWilly: no, there is no trace of ppp0 in interfaces
[04:52] <hitmanWilly> afaith: ok, you'll probably need to get the actual config options from intelikey, never used dial-up in nix
[04:53] <afaith> it's not dial up, it's pppoe
[04:53] <hitmanWilly> afaith: always on?
[04:53] <afaith> yep
[04:53] <intelikey> should be just like eth  <afaik>
[04:53] <hitmanWilly> afaith: ok, i got it then, try adding this to /etc/network/interfaces:
[04:54] <hitmanWilly> auto ppp0
[04:54] <hitmanWilly> iface ppp0 inet dhcp
[04:54] <hitmanWilly> those are two seperate lines
[04:54] <afaith> ok, let me try :P
[04:54] <intelikey> afaith you have to edit that as root.   kdesu kate /etc/network/interfaces
[04:54] <afaith> i know :P
[04:54] <afaith> i prefer joe :D
[04:55] <intelikey> vi clone user
[04:55] <intelikey> :)
[04:55] <hitmanWilly> i don't think it matters, but you may want to put that immediately after the lo interface definition
[04:55] <CrunchyFerrett> *SCREAM*
[04:56] <afaith> rebooting now
[04:56] <intelikey> i tried to use screem one time...  didn't like it.
[04:56] <hitmanWilly> afaiyou don't have to
[04:56] <hitmanWilly> crap...
[04:56] <intelikey> he said he had too whether it was fixed or not  ^^^
[04:56] <hitmanWilly> i was just going to have him restart the network
[04:56] <hitmanWilly> oh well, that'll work too
[04:57] <CrunchyFerrett> well..
[04:57] <CrunchyFerrett> here's somethign new I suppose
[04:57] <marcelol> Hello folks
 intelikey: i'm more than patience even if i've got only 30 minutes to solve this ... i'm going to a nearby resort and i have to reboot my pc now, to take it to another room <<<<<
[04:57] <marcelol> Anyone have any success with "nvidia-settings" ?
[04:57] <hitmanWilly> oh, that must have been when i was looking at my buntu box :)
[04:57] <intelikey> yep
[04:58] <CrunchyFerrett> lsmod tells me that ndiswrapper is loaded, but it has a 0 in the "used by" column
[04:58] <hitmanWilly> networking setup is one thing ive noticed that changes distro to distro
[04:58] <marcelol> intellikey : You ?
[04:59] <intelikey> marcelol ! i    my nvidia card is not even supported... sorry
[04:59] <hitmanWilly> marcelol: what is the problem with it?
[04:59] <marcelol> nvidia-glx detects resolution by default at 1024x768 ( even though 1680x1050 is supported ...I'm running in that now, because nvidia-settings switched modes )..
[05:00] <marcelol> however, when I try to get nvidia-settings to save it's settings back to xorg.conf...it says it can't write to it..
[05:00] <marcelol> I tried running nvidia-settings through kdesu...and nada
[05:00] <hitmanWilly> marcelol: ok, two ways of doing this, you want easy or hard?
[05:01] <marcelol> it'll say "Error : failed to generate and X config file
[05:01] <marcelol> hitmanWilly: Easy.....please
[05:01] <hitmanWilly> marcelol: ok, open a terminal
[05:01] <marcelol> done
[05:01] <hitmanWilly> marcelol: now, cd to .kde/Autostart
[05:02] <marcelol> done
[05:02] <hitmanWilly> marcelol: nano startup.sh
[05:02] <marcelol> done
[05:02] <hitmanWilly> marcelol: add these lines:
[05:02] <hitmanWilly> #!/bin/sh
[05:03] <hitmanWilly> nvidia-settings --load-config-only
[05:03] <marcelol> done
[05:03] <marcelol> the : nvidia..etc..etc....on the same line, or another line ?
[05:03] <hitmanWilly> second line
[05:03] <marcelol> done
[05:04] <hitmanWilly> marcelol: save and exit nano
[05:04] <hitmanWilly> ctrl-x
[05:04] <marcelol> done
[05:04] <hitmanWilly> marcelol: chmod +x startup.sh
[05:04] <intelikey> that's ./.kde/Autostart/startup.sh
[05:04] <marcelol> done
[05:04] <marcelol> yup
[05:05] <Lunar_Lamp> !beryl
[05:05] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:05] <marcelol> uh....wait
[05:05] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: he's in .kde/Autostart
[05:05] <marcelol> it's   ~/.kde/Autostart
[05:05] <intelikey> yeah
[05:05] <marcelol> ok...done
[05:05] <intelikey> hitmanWilly i missed the cd  sorry.
[05:05] <hitmanWilly> marcelol: ok, now anytime you restart kde it should load your settings from nvidia-settings
[05:06] <hitmanWilly> marcelol: ok, part two...
[05:06] <marcelol> ready
[05:07] <hitmanWilly> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.config
[05:07] <marcelol> still in .kde/Autostart
[05:07] <marcelol> ahh..ok
[05:07] <marcelol> .config or .conf ?
[05:07] <intelikey> xorg.config ?  not  xorg.conf ?
[05:07] <hitmanWilly> yeah, sorry
[05:07] <marcelol> ok...done
[05:08] <hitmanWilly> ok, scroll down to where you see all the resolution settings
[05:08] <hitmanWilly> should be at the very bottom
[05:08] <marcelol> done
[05:09] <hitmanWilly> marcelol: you see the various blocks for different color depths?
[05:10] <marcelol> yeah
[05:10] <marcelol> none of them have the res that this screen really supports
[05:10] <hitmanWilly> marcelol: there should be long lines of res settings in quotes, add "1680x1050" to the beginning of each of those lists
[05:10] <intelikey> write it in
[05:11] <intelikey> each or at least the default depth
[05:11] <hitmanWilly> marcelol: or whatever res you want to use
[05:11] <marcelol> done, added them
[05:12] <chrisjs169>  I can't seem to play DVDs on Kubuntu - I get the following (Includes error from kaffeine, as well as from /var/log/messages): http://pastebin.ca/600473
[05:12] <hitmanWilly> marcelol: ok, save and exit
[05:12] <marcelol> done
[05:12] <hitmanWilly> marcelol: now, the next time you restart X it should default to the desired res
[05:12] <CrunchyFerrett> chris, I had that same problem.
[05:12] <marcelol> ok...
[05:12] <marcelol> brb...let me give it a shot
[05:12] <intelikey> !dvd | chrisjs169
[05:12] <ubotu> chrisjs169: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[05:12] <CrunchyFerrett> You need to download and install the libdvdcss2 thing
[05:13] <chrisjs169> it's already installed
[05:13] <chrisjs169> i even tried upgrading it today
[05:14] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: yeah, w3m gives me the same thing
[05:14] <intelikey> me too
[05:14] <CrunchyFerrett> installed libdvd3 ?
[05:14] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: apparently, ubuntu is for gui types only :P
[05:14] <intelikey> :)
[05:14] <CrunchyFerrett> er libdvdread3
[05:15] <hitmanWilly> at least the gentoo sites work in console browsers...
[05:15] <chrisjs169> CrunchyFerrett: IIRC - checking
[05:15] <intelikey> hitmanWilly it doesn't bother me really. i use mc to edit with...  even though it's buggy...
[05:15] <chrisjs169> CrunchyFerrett: yes, it's installed
[05:16] <CrunchyFerrett> chris: Oh. Then ive got nothign for you, sorry man.
[05:16] <TrueFX> hi guys
[05:17] <hitmanWilly> i use what works for me, and WindowMaker really isn't that heavy of a WM :P
[05:17] <chrisjs169> CrunchyFerrett: ok - I've swapped the DVD drive for one I know works - no dice
[05:17] <TrueFX> what is the key sequence for going at the beginning of a word in bash shell
[05:17] <TrueFX> in konsole
[05:17] <intelikey> yeah yeah yeah but i bet you don't have memory stats like mine ;p    Memory Used/Total Percent: 9/250 MB (3%)
[05:17] <intelikey> Swap   Used/Total Percent: 0/0 MB (0%)
[05:17] <TrueFX> and at the end of word
[05:17] <TrueFX> for deleting a wor d
[05:17] <TrueFX> if that's possible
[05:17] <TrueFX> how can i list and change key sequences for bash shell?
[05:18] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: nope, but I have a little bit more RAM to play around with :)
[05:19] <marcelol> hitmanWilly: You are the man !
[05:19] <marcelol> restarted X and it came back up in the right res
[05:19] <marcelol> now if reboot, I hope it'll do the same
[05:19] <intelikey> TrueFX it's not the shell that you want it's konsole  configure it maybe.
[05:19] <marcelol> even Beryl is behaving...
[05:19] <hitmanWilly> marcelol: to X its the same thing
[05:19] <marcelol> now to figure out how to slow down the mouse-drag thing
[05:20] <chrisjs169> anyone else have suggestions for my dvd issue?
[05:20] <hitmanWilly> marcelol: also, a little side note, any command you want to run on kde startup, put it in that shell script I had you write
[05:20] <intelikey> chrisjs169 what player are you trying to use ?
[05:21] <marcelol> hitmanWilly: Oh I'm sure....presence..that when I was in college....I first started doing UI work in X, then Motif, then "graduated" and I was cast into the wilderness of the Windows/OS/2 UI ...have returned to whence I first began...tis a journey
[05:21] <chrisjs169> intelikey: xine/kaffeine
[05:21] <hitmanWilly> back in a sec
[05:22] <K-Ryan> Hey guys
[05:22] <intelikey> hmmm have you tried vlc or gxine to see if it worked in either of those chrisjs169
[05:22] <K-Ryan> I managed to burn DSL off the other computer and now I'm running it.
[05:22] <intelikey> and yes i know that gxine is a gtk app
[05:22] <K-Ryan> This is sooooo going on my old computer
[05:22] <chrisjs169> intelikey: ok, i'm installing vlc right now
[05:25] <intelikey> chrisjs169 mplayer is another choice...
[05:25] <chrisjs169> intelikey: mplayer didn't work =/
[05:26] <intelikey> yeah it's probably using xine too
[05:27] <intelikey> chrisjs169 redundant i'm sure but you do have   libxine-extracodecs  ?
[05:27] <chrisjs169> intelikey: apt-get says it's installed
[05:28] <intelikey> k,  well did vlc work for you ?
[05:28] <hitmanWilly> ok, back
[05:28] <chrisjs169> intelikey: testing it now
[05:30] <intelikey> s/does/did/   haven't in a while...
[05:30] <chrisjs169> intelikey: it's at least trying to read from the dvd drive - the LED is blinking, and i haven't gotten any error messages yet
[05:30] <chrisjs169> but it seems it still isn't playing
[05:31] <intelikey> ;/
[05:31] <marcelol> has anyone tried the new nvidia drivers and restricted modules that adept says are available ?
[05:32] <intelikey> chrisjs169 no errors ?
[05:33] <chrisjs169> intelikey: it hasn't given me any
[05:33] <intelikey> that makes it awfully hard to try to fix....
[05:33] <chrisjs169> intelikey: the led only flashes when manually selecting the vob file though - not when simply selecting open disk
[05:34] <chrisjs169> intelikey: lol - the dvd drive works, just not on Kubuntu =/
[05:35] <chrisjs169> intelikey: that pastebin link contains info from Kaffeine and dmesg
[05:35] <chrisjs169> a sledge hammer might work =P
[05:35] <chrisjs169> (http://pastebin.ca/600473)
[05:35] <intelikey> yeah i read that.  but it didn't help me help you....
[05:36] <chrisjs169> I have Ubuntu on another computer - it's just about midnight here, so I guess I could try it on that in the morning
[05:39] <intelikey> the only thing that the pastebin might be saying that we havent covered, is that it's a special disk anti-freedom lock  disk has bad sectors that the propritary non-free junk is supposed to ignore....
[05:40] <intelikey> me hates fritz trusted computing crapppppp
[05:40] <chrisjs169> special disk anti-freedom lock  disk?
[05:40] <intelikey> doesn't stop theft only makes it harder on the honest people.
[05:41] <chrisjs169> ah, DRM
[05:41] <intelikey> chrisjs169 yeah one of the security measures used by some anti-copy junk is to intentionally make bad sectors on the disk...
[05:42] <intelikey> yes   TCG DRM and friends.
[05:42] <chrisjs169> intelikey: so it's a DVD that possibly could never play on (K)Ubuntu?
[05:42] <intelikey> possably  i'm not ready to commit to that answer but it is possable
[05:43] <chrisjs169> ok
[05:44] <dsmith_> hi
[05:44] <chrisjs169> where in the pastebin does it mention the bad sectors - the I/O errors?
[05:44] <dsmith_> hmmm wrong colors
[05:44] <ubuntu_> Hi
[05:44] <intelikey> yes i/o error  on /dev/sr*
[05:44] <K-Ryan> Hi dsmith_, Hi ubuntu_
[05:44] <chrisjs169> ok
[05:45] <ubuntu_> I am going to loose it soon
[05:45] <K-Ryan> What's wrong?
[05:45] <ubuntu_> is someone running 2 screen with Kubuntu?
[05:45] <chrisjs169> i'll see if i can get another dvd working tomorrow - thanks for all your help
[05:45] <intelikey> chrisjs169 yeah, and some fresh heads to bounce your problem off of may help too...
[05:47] <ubuntu_> I see that people around the net are able to, but my fucking windows braindead is not helping.  I want to trash Windows!!!  But 2-3-4-5 screens setup is a must for me
[05:47] <K-Ryan> !ohmy
[05:47] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:47] <ubuntu_> and Kubuntu, OpenSUSE or Fedora can't handle it out of the box...
[05:47] <intelikey> i tried to setup a linux box that would put a console on one screen and xorg on the other.... never got it to do what i wanted tho.  i wanted it to write to both but could only get one or the other...
[05:48] <ubuntu_> so?  any other punks who runs multi sreens on Kubuntu?
[05:48] <greywolf> hey hitmanWilly
[05:49] <greywolf> sorry I didn't respond earlier, I went to dinner
[05:49] <greywolf> it looks like I'm gonna have to do that clean install now :[
[05:49] <intelikey> gutzy ?
[05:50] <dsmith_> well, turned another person onto linux today
[05:50] <K-Ryan> greywolf: Never fixed it? That's too bad...
[05:50] <dsmith_> one person a day for me..
[05:50] <dsmith_> :)
[05:50] <K-Ryan> dsmith_ Way to go!
[05:50] <intelikey> greywolf of  ?
[05:50] <chrisjs169> intelikey: "gutsy" - was that to me?
[05:50] <klobster> so I am hoping to learn about backing up my system
[05:50] <intelikey> chrisjs169 no.
[05:50] <chrisjs169> ok
[05:50] <dsmith_> !sbackup
[05:50] <ubotu> sbackup is a tool to create complete and/or incremental backups (which can be scheduled to be automatic, and can be done over a network). It is available in !Universe
[05:51] <greywolf> intelikey: I was here a bit earlier
[05:51] <greywolf> K-Ryan: yeah
[05:51] <K-Ryan> I love Linux
[05:51] <klobster> ok, but specifically what files should I pay attention to? (obviously /home, but what else?)
[05:51] <dsmith_> klobster: or you can do a dual-boot and backup he entire machine with Acronis.
[05:51] <dsmith_> :)
[05:51] <K-Ryan> I never got off this DSL Live CD
[05:51] <greywolf> I did partition my hard drive for the OS files and the other stuff, though
[05:51] <K-Ryan> 8% of my RAM is being used and I have 0% CPU Usage
[05:51] <K-Ryan> I'm putting this on my old computer first thing in the morning
[05:51] <klobster> dsmith: couldn't I do the same thing through dd?
[05:52] <dsmith_> i've ben having troubles w/ superkaramba for whatever reason
[05:52] <dsmith_> oh well
[05:52] <dsmith_> dd??
[05:52] <intelikey> klobster dd will backup free space as well as data
[05:52] <dsmith_> superkaramba has all these desktop widgets, that shows status and such.
[05:53] <dsmith_> sbackup, seemed to takeup alot cpu processing power
[05:54] <klobster> I was looking at rsync; I was hoping to figuree out a way to do a backup to 1 or 2 DVD's, and then use rsync and gmailfs to snapshot the diff
[05:54] <intelikey> klobster /home /etc /var/lib /boot /lib   depending on what all you have in mind of backing up.   that was decreesing order of course.
[05:54] <klobster> then cron it and forget it
[05:55] <klobster> what about /etc and /usr ? important, or no?
[05:55] <dsmith_> the last time I time I tried restoring certain files, it hosed my setup
[05:55] <dsmith_> so I wiped the drive and installed fiesty
[05:55] <dsmith_> what about /opt?
[05:56] <intelikey> top two unless you are trying to protect against  a root kit or something.
[05:56] <intelikey> klobster etc is.  usr not so much
[05:57] <klobster>  /opt is unimportant
[05:57] <intelikey> top two.  /home /etc       my /opt is empty
[05:57] <intelikey> if you have things in /opt you consider important back it up by all means.
[05:57] <dsmith_> thunderbird and a few others are placed there
[05:58] <klobster> intelikey: what about /var/dpkg? could I use the logs to restore all my programs?  or is it a pain?
[05:58] <Ramon> Hello I'm having a really weird one for you guys :o ... http://rafb.net/p/3s67Xd81.html   the bios is 1998
[05:58] <dsmith_> I rather st backup the entire drive, and do incrementals daily
[05:58] <jaime> hello
[05:58] <dsmith_> hello
[05:58] <klobster> intelikey: I keep a static bash in opt, just in case.
[05:58] <intelikey> but personal data is in /home  and system configs are in /etc     and i'm tired of repeting that.....
[05:58] <dsmith_> aye
[05:59] <jaime> any speak spanish
[05:59] <intelikey> !es
[05:59] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:59] <klobster> intelikey: yes i knew that, I'm sorry I made you repeat it.
[06:00] <klobster> ramon: if you press ctrl-alt-F1, you can see the full error of what is breaking down, then we could be more helpfull
[06:00] <dsmith_> anyone hear? HP is considering coming out with Ubuntu laptops now.
[06:00] <greywolf> no I didn't
[06:00] <greywolf> but that's pretty cool
[06:00] <Ramon> klobster I did
[06:00] <Ramon> klobster: that is what it is showing me
[06:02] <Ramon> it is ata1.00 : exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 Serr 0x0 actuib 0x2 frozen     ata1.00 cmd c8/00:00:b7:11:b4/00:00:00:00:/e0 tag 0 cdb 0x0 data 131072 in
[06:02] <klobster> ramon: live CD or install?
[06:03] <Ramon> install
[06:03] <klobster> did it work with the livecd?  also what version?
[06:03] <Ramon> sure
[06:03] <Ramon> it works fine
[06:03] <intelikey> Ramon looks like a driver/bios conflict  maybe try adding    noacpi  to the kernel line and then boot ?
[06:03] <Ramon> and if i take the hd and take it to this computer it works fine... so yeah.. intelikey could be right .. i guess could be the bios..
[06:03] <Ramon> how do I add it  intelikey?
[06:04] <Ramon> acpi=off or noacpi?
[06:05] <intelikey> when grub first comes up hit [esc]   then select the boot option and hit [e]   then  select the "kernel" line and  [e]    add  well add both then we are sure to cover it.   and hit [enter]   [b]
[06:05] <Ramon> ok let me try
[06:05] <klobster> ramon: is it ide or sata? pci card or onboard?
[06:06] <intelikey> they are suposed to do the same thing     acpi=off and noacpi
[06:06] <Ramon> ide
[06:06] <Ramon> it is ide
[06:07] <intelikey> klobster you thinking he may need to cull the sata driver from the initramfs ?
[06:08] <crash_> VICTORY!!
[06:08] <crash_> I DID IT!
[06:08] <CrunchyFerrett> The Wireless is functional!!
[06:08] <Ramon> same thing
[06:08] <K-Ryan> Awesome
[06:08] <intelikey> i don't know any way to prevent the initramfs from loading it, do you ?     i mean other than building another initramfs.img that doesn't contain that module
[06:08] <klobster> well, similar errors point to conflicts with pci cards, and wierd raid implemetations
[06:08] <Ramon> the same thing happened... and i guess that it goes automatically to noacpi
[06:09] <Ramon> even tho we dont add it
[06:09] <intelikey> Ramon any raid arrays ?
[06:09] <klobster> intelikey: well there may be a boot flag for it, but I would have to hit the logs
[06:10] <Ramon> no raid
[06:11] <intelikey> well i'm going to have to let you gents handle it,  4am is too late for me to be up.      gooday and good luck to your pinguin
[06:11] <Ramon> good night bro
[06:11] <Ramon> and thx :)
[06:11] <Ramon> so klobster haha.. it is weird isnt it
[06:12] <klobster> ramon: does the bios support a raid array? also what kernel version.
[06:13] <Ramon> the latest one... cannot do uname -r but it is the latest alt that i downloaded
[06:13] <wsjunior> is /etc/acpi/fglrx-powermode.sh script supposed to work automatically?
[06:13] <klobster> ramon it should give you kernel # during boot, in grub...
[06:14] <Ramon> yah but the thing is that it gives me the same issue
[06:14] <klobster> is this a separate system than the one you are on?
[06:14] <Ramon> how do you disable dma mode? coulde be that?
[06:14] <Ramon> yeah another one
[06:15] <klobster> boot to the grub screen and tell me which kernel it says, wait are you on gutsy, or fiesty?
[06:15] <Ramon> fiesty
[06:15] <wsjunior> i would like to save battery life of my laptop switching to powerstate=1 of my ati xpress 200m card but it doesnt happen automatically as it should (i guess)
[06:16] <wsjunior> if i execute ./etc/acpi/fglrx-powermode.sh by hand when i switch to battery mode it changes the card powerstate to 1 but doesnt make any effect automatically
[06:16] <wsjunior> is it supposed to work?
[06:18] <wsjunior> im pretty sad about my battery life in kubuntu. it remains for at least 2 hours in windows and nothing more than 30 min in kubuntu
[06:19] <TrueFX> hi guys
[06:19] <TrueFX> i ve got a problem with my network
[06:19] <TrueFX> i can connect to irc as u can see
[06:19] <TrueFX> but when it comes to surfing
[06:19] <TrueFX> i cant do it
[06:19] <TrueFX> after rebooting the computer for a few minutes 2 or so i can surf in internet
[06:20] <TrueFX> then when i write a url in conqueror nothing happens
[06:20] <wsjunior> konqueror
[06:20] <TrueFX> what may be the possible problem?
[06:20] <TrueFX> i cant even see an error code
[06:20] <wsjunior> check ur dns configs
[06:20] <Ramon> and for my issue.. no ideas?
[06:20] <wsjunior> what /etc/resolv.conf show?
[06:21] <TrueFX> # generated by NetworkManager, do not edit!
[06:21] <TrueFX> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:21] <TrueFX> my routers ip
[06:21] <klobster> ramon: sorry researching possible boot flags
[06:21] <Ramon> ahh ok klobster :) be here
[06:21] <Ramon> thanx man
[06:22] <klobster> ramon: did you find out the kernel version?
[06:22] <klobster> 2.6.20-16, no?
[06:22] <TrueFX> in my routers internal settings there are 2 dns servers <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:22] <TrueFX> and <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:22] <Ramon> yeah thats my kernel i guess
[06:22] <Ramon> if thats the latest one for ubuntu stable yeah
[06:23] <Ramon> cuz i downloaded the latest alt
[06:23] <TrueFX> and i can ping my dns server
[06:23] <TrueFX> i mean remote dns server and also my router
[06:23] <admin___> hi!
[06:23] <wsjunior> TrueFX: put those ips in /etc/resolv.conf
[06:24] <Ramon> is there a way to disable dma mode for the hd?
[06:24] <wsjunior> two lines like: nameserver firstip
[06:24] <admin___> quien habla espaol?
[06:24] <admin___> quien habla espaol?
[06:24] <wsjunior> and the other one in a new line
[06:24] <wsjunior> admin___: try ubuntu-es
[06:24] <Dr_Willis_> !es
[06:24] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[06:24] <klobster> oh, this isn't a fresh install?
[06:24] <klobster> it worked previous?
[06:25] <Dr_Willis_> Ramon,  hdparm command to enable/disable dma modes. Not sure why you want to disable it.
[06:25] <Ramon> klobster: it worked on this computer the one im using right now
[06:25] <Ramon> it is not working on the one with the 1998 bios
[06:25] <Ramon> dr. willis haha cuz i dont know what else to do
[06:25] <TrueFX> wsjunior:does order matter?
[06:26] <bryan> How can I use my PPC cell phone on Kubuntu?
[06:26] <klobster> ramon: well you could try to update the bios.
[06:26] <klobster> or you can try to add this to the kernel line combined_mode=libata
[06:27] <wsjunior> TrueFX: not really
[06:27] <level1> How come I can't find quantra on the repos?
[06:27] <Ramon> how that would be klobster.. grub menu (esc)... then select the boot option (e) select the kernel(e) type combined_mode=libata and then press (b)?
[06:28] <TrueFX> Unknown host www.google.com
[06:28] <TrueFX> i cant ping by name www.google.com
[06:28] <TrueFX> and i donno its ip by heart
[06:28] <TrueFX> can someone write it here so that i can try to ping it
[06:28] <wsjunior> is /etc/acpi/fglrx-powermode.sh script supposed to work automatically?
[06:28] <bryan> sync with kubuntu
[06:28] <ubunturos> KPilot?
[06:28] <klobster> ramon: yeah, are you familiar with where to place the text?
[06:28] <wsjunior> TrueFX: <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:28] <Ramon> mmmm i dot know cuz after i press e in the kernel it shows me a big line
[06:29] <Ramon> i mean.. a script
[06:29] <Ramon> and i guess at the end of it leaving a space right?
[06:29] <klobster> Dr_Willis:  http://rafb.net/p/3s67Xd81.html
[06:30] <TrueFX> yep i can ping google too
[06:30] <klobster> ramon: you need to select the line that starts with: /vmlinuz
[06:30] <Ramon> yeah thats the one
[06:30] <Ramon> :)
[06:30] <TrueFX> if my isp changes dns servers
[06:31] <TrueFX> normally the information in my router should change automatically too?
[06:31] <klobster> an then you add it after the name of your kernel, and you might as well take out quiet and splash while we are there
[06:31] <K-Ryan> I'm out guys, going to go install DSL on my old computer =)
[06:31] <TrueFX> wsjunior: probably that's related with dns right?
[06:31] <Ramon> ok let me try klobster :)
[06:32] <klobster> also, have you tried to boot from the old kernel? and do you have any other hard disks/cd drives connected to the ide slots on that system?
[06:33] <Ramon> no i dont have anything else.. just the IDE HD
[06:33] <Ramon> i unplugged the cd rom
[06:33] <Ramon> and there are no other kernels showing in there
[06:34] <klobster> ramon: so? go or nogo?
[06:34] <TrueFX> how can i list all ip addresses in my lan?
[06:34] <Ramon> nothing klobster.. now it says: support DPO or FUA sda: sda1 sda2 (sda5) attached scsi disk sda attached scsi generic sg0 type 0
[06:34] <Dr_Willis_> TrueFX,  use a scanner like nmap, or if they all got samba shares. ive used smb4k to see them/ip's
[06:34] <Ramon> and my disk is not scsi haha
[06:36] <sparr> the ubuntu clamav packages complain to my cron logs (and thus my email) that they are out of date.  is this a bug?  i dont want to know if there isnt a new package yet.  how can i fix it?
[06:37] <klobster> ramon: sda is the new hda, don't get me started about it.  do you know what type of controller you are running?
[06:37] <klobster> ide controller.
[06:37] <Ramon> klobster: no idea :o
[06:37] <Ramon> klobster: what do you mean by controller?
[06:37] <sparr> Ramon: the libata jerks decided to call all drives sd*, scsi or otherwise
[06:37] <crimsun> sparr: the *clam* issues are being discussed, enroute to a resolution soon.
[06:38] <Ramon> it sux :( haha
[06:38] <Ramon> and as i told you... not working with the libata or with the noacpi
[06:41] <klobster> ramon: well we could try combined_mode=ide
[06:42] <klobster> ramon: I mean your ide controller, do you know what type it is?
[06:42] <sparr> crimsun: interesting.  might they have been under discussion the previous dozen times ive asked this month?  :)
[06:42] <crimsun> sparr: MOTU meeting archives.
[06:43] <Ramon> klobster: let me try the combined_mode=ide
[06:43] <Ramon> i dont know what controller it is...
[06:43] <klobster> ramon: do you know what motheroard you have?
[06:44] <Ramon> yeah.. it is a sis
[06:44] <Ramon> let me see the model
[06:44] <Ramon> sis 5595
[06:46] <klobster> sis 530?
[06:46] <Ramon> yeah thats what it sas
[06:46] <Ramon> says
[06:46] <Ramon> just a question.. what is irqpoll?
[06:47] <Ramon> cuz i was reading that sometimes it boots with that option
[06:48] <klobster> where did you see that?
[06:48] <lou_> can someone help me ? How do I change the font and resolution in a CLI ??
[06:49] <Dr_Willis_> the console, you can set the font with err.. Hmm  let me check
[06:49] <Dr_Willis_>  consolechars   - is the command for the fonts.
[06:49] <Ramon> klobster: here
[06:49] <Dr_Willis_> Resolution is part of the framebuffer stuff I belive.  I always disable all that :)
[06:49] <Ramon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/78288
[06:50] <lou_> thanks Dr_Willis. Good tip.Just want to press ctrl+alt+F1 and have more than 40 letters/line....
[06:51] <klobster> you can try it, but I think changing bios settings may be more likely to fix this one.
[06:52] <Ramon> but it is not giving me any options.. just the old options old motherboards had
[06:52] <klobster> such as?
[06:52] <Ramon> let me get into the bios.. (sorry if i take some time but the computer is not close to me :$)
[06:52] <Ramon> wait
[06:53] <Ramon> it says /bin/bash cant access tty: job control turned off... and then it says (initramfs)
[06:53] <Jackz> hales
[06:54] <klobster> that was booting with which option?
[06:54] <Ramon> combined_mode=ide
[06:54] <Ramon> but after a looooooong looong time
[06:56] <Ramon> before that it says check root = bootarg cat /proc/cmdline or missing modules, devices: cat/ /proc/modules ls /dev ALERT! does not exist. Dropping to a shell.. then busybox v 1.1.3 debian blah blah.. and then the initramfs
[06:58] <CrunchyFerrett> Hah! Found another way to fix it!
[06:59] <Ramon> ?
[07:01] <klobster> ramon: well it confirms the libata issue, although not in a good way.
[07:01] <wsjunior> using powernowd my max cpu freq is 2.2GHZ but when i start switch to battery and then back to ac it only achieve 1.8, never 2.2 again, how can i fix it?
[07:01] <Ramon> :(
[07:01] <Ramon> but do you think there's a way to fix it?
[07:02] <fignew> wsjunior: what if you use 100% cpu?
[07:03] <wsjunior> its using performance governor
[07:03] <wsjunior> should be always using the max
[07:03] <wsjunior> 2.20GHz in my case
[07:04] <wsjunior> cpufreq-info shows current CPU frequency is 1.80 GHz
[07:04] <wsjunior> sudo cpufreq-set -f 2.20GHz returns no error
[07:04] <wsjunior> but its still 1.80GHz
[07:04] <wsjunior> :/
[07:05] <CrunchyFerrett> And on to the next problem!
[07:05] <CrunchyFerrett> How can I access the network shares on my WinServer 2003 box?
[07:05] <wsjunior> Samba?
[07:05] <klobster> ramon: let's try this can you disable the floppy frive in the bios?
[07:06] <CrunchyFerrett> I figured Samba, but can that be installed on server03?
[07:06] <CrunchyFerrett> Can linux access server shares from a Win2003 AD server?
[07:07] <morph_> anyone used iraf on ubuntu before?
[07:08] <Ramon> it is disabled hehe :$
[07:08] <morph_> iraf is?
[07:09] <klobster> ok we could add a line to the grub: break=top that should open us up to some modprobe options
[07:09] <Ramon> cool let me check
[07:11] <Ramon> klobster: same thing .. took me to initramfs but this time was faster
[07:12] <klobster> can you type?
[07:12] <Ramon> sure
[07:12] <morph_> also having problems when starting 7.04 hangs after it says "doing normal boot"
[07:12] <klobster> I mean, it's not locked up?
[07:12] <Ramon> nah it is not
[07:12] <Ramon> it lets me type
[07:13] <klobster> try: modprobe sis5513
[07:13] <Ramon> ok let me check..
[07:13] <klobster> ramon: and then exit
[07:14] <Ramon> type exit?
[07:14] <Ramon> it sohwd me a lot of things
[07:14] <Ramon> ide controller at pci slot blah blah.. chipset.. sis620 ata controler... bm dma at .... hda wdc wd ata disk drive.. ide0 at 0x....etc on irq14
[07:15] <klobster> yeah, type exit
[07:15] <Ramon> did it :)... now it is stucked on fdc 0 is a post-1991 82077
[07:16] <klobster> fdc? I thought yopu turned off the floppy in the bios?  did you also remove it?
[07:16] <Ramon> yeah haha
[07:16] <Ramon> it is not there since i purchased the computer and it is also disabled.
[07:16] <klobster> ramon: it may get past it, just give it a sec
[07:17] <Ramon> i purchased it for 20 bucks haha
[07:17] <Ramon> 500 mhz and 128 ram...
[07:18] <Ramon> took me back to initramfs
[07:18] <morph_> is iraf similar to idl?
[07:19] <klobster> well I would suggest either: a reinstalling using the edgy cd, and then doing an upgrade over the net
[07:20] <klobster> b: switching the disk back over to the other system booting it and getting another kernel
[07:20] <Ramon> ill try that. just let me see if this works
[07:20] <Ramon> how can i get another kernel?
[07:20] <klobster> or c: switching to the other system and trying this workaround: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/107774
[07:21] <klobster> ramon: you can get one out of adept, just look for either a new one, or the previous version 2.6.20-16 is current
[07:21] <Ramon> yeah i guess thats the one this compuer has
[07:22] <Ramon> ill try something
[07:22] <Ramon> i have a debian on another computer
[07:22] <Ramon> ill try switching hdd
[07:22] <Ramon> let me check
[07:22] <klobster> you need to edit the initramfs.conf, but it needs to be mounted to do so.
[07:22] <CrunchyFerrett> ...
[07:22] <CrunchyFerrett> I think I just broke the Su user
[07:23] <klobster> did you see the workaround in that page?
[07:23] <kiosk> how come CrunchyFerrett
[07:23] <klobster> how can you break a nonexistant user?
[07:23] <kiosk> ?
[07:23] <CrunchyFerrett> not sure
[07:24] <CrunchyFerrett> But when I try to do anything in KDE that wants root privs, I get a "Su retuned with an error."
[07:25] <kiosk> is su the same a sudo?
[07:26] <CrunchyFerrett> *shrug*
[07:27] <morph_> what is a good idl type program i can use on ubuntu?
[07:28] <CrunchyFerrett> ah. I seem to have taken myself out of the sudoers group.
[07:28] <CrunchyFerrett> or somethin
[07:29] <klobster> group adm?
[07:29] <CrunchyFerrett> appears to be so
[07:29] <CrunchyFerrett> my sudoers file is empty
[07:30] <klobster> I'm no expert but that sucks
[07:30] <CrunchyFerrett> and of course I dont have permissions to edit the file.
[07:30] <CrunchyFerrett> groovy
[07:30] <CrunchyFerrett> brb
[07:30] <marcelol> is loving Linux more and more everyday......
[07:31] <marcelol> begins to question the efficacy of programming in Windows anymore...oh yeah..it pays the bills :(
[07:31] <klobster> bmaybe boot off the liveCD, and bind your root partition?
[07:34] <kiosk> \leave
[07:37] <TheCreationist> Is there any way to configure my gnome panel to close an application when I middle click it's button in the taskbar?
[07:40] <klobster> thecreationist: this channel is KDE specific, try ubuntu for gnome info
[07:44] <crash_> fixed it
[07:44] <crash_> Man, you can pretty much fix anything in Linux with an hour or so in google
[07:45] <makuseru> are there any good flight simulators for linux?
[07:47] <miltos> hi ppl:-)
[07:47] <morph_> i still want an IDL type program for linux- free of course
[07:47] <TheCreationist> klobster: Yeah, I was a KDE fan until I realized that the Ubuntu community really doesn't give a crap about KDE.  So I switched to gnome.  I've tried asking in #ubuntu, but got no responses.
[07:47] <CrunchyFerrett> howdy
[07:49] <miltos> what's the best download manager for kubuntu?
[07:49] <DjDarkman> Why doesn`t lock screen work in xgl?
[07:49] <jlund> TheCreationist: Not sure how you can say that they "don't give a crap" about KDE.
[07:49] <morph_> how good is gnome compared to kde
[07:49] <morph_> i havent used gnome at all
[07:49] <greywolf_> makuseru: what kind of flight simulator?
[07:49] <DjDarkman> morph_: it may be lighter
[07:50] <greywolf_> WWII, futuristic, etc...?
[07:50] <morph_> like bluetooth and networkmanager
[07:50] <makuseru> realistic
[07:50] <marcelol> miltos: I use aria...sure it's not so glitzy..but it works great
[07:50] <DjDarkman> morph_: if you want a light desktop, then you should rather use XFCE
[07:50] <TheCreationist> jlund: It's pretty much common knowledge that Kubuntu is the neglected aspect of Ubuntu.
[07:51] <greywolf_> makuseru: ah, then you probably wouldn't like Vega Strike so much
[07:51] <marcelol> TheCreationist: I...wouldn't say they don't give a .....about KDE....
[07:51] <TheCreationist> It doesn't get nearly as much attention from developers as gnome.
[07:51] <greywolf_> TheCreationist: it will when KDE4 is out ;)
[07:51] <marcelol> What's the first thing anyone does once they realize they can't Shiznitz done in gnome ?......move to KDE.
[07:52] <morph_> whne should that be?
[07:52] <jlund> TheCreationist: Yeah, you are kind of just talking out of your ass right now. Can you back these statements up with any evidence at all?
[07:52] <TheCreationist> greywolf_: Yeah, that's what they said just before KDE 3 came out ;)
[07:52] <TheCreationist> But okay.
[07:52] <greywolf_> heh
[07:52] <TheCreationist> jlund: Hmm... first of all many of the regulars in HERE have said the same.
[07:52] <miltos> marcelo: adept reports aria and aria2 which one is the best?
[07:52] <marcelol> there's nothing you can do in gnome right now that you can't do in KDE...
[07:52] <morph_> when is 4kde4 suppose to be out
[07:52] <marcelol> aria2 is just a script wrapper..
[07:52] <TheCreationist> jlund: Second, the stability of Kubuntu is NOTHING compared to the stability of Ubuntu.
[07:52] <marcelol> arias actually has a UI
[07:52] <marcelol> aria
[07:53] <miltos> marcelol:thanks
[07:53] <TheCreationist> jlund: Also, with Kubuntu Feisty, where are the 3D desktop effects?  The automatic installation of restricted drivers and codecs?
[07:53] <marcelol> stability ? if it weren't for the fsking nvidia driver....I wouldn't have had to reboot thing thing for anything...
[07:53] <TheCreationist> jlund: I rest my case. :P
[07:54] <morph_> so gnome has apps like knerwork manager
[07:54] <marcelol> Oy ! "Auto install" ? yeah....and where's the "working" bcm43xx driver in ubuntu...hint: it doesn't..please there's plenty to sling around..
[07:54] <CrunchyFerrett> .. 3d desktop effects?
[07:55] <marcelol> morph: the answer would be uh......no
[07:55] <miltos> marcelol: is there any way to unrar a series of password protected files?
[07:55] <CrunchyFerrett> Yeah it took me forever to get my bcm43xx card working.
[07:55] <CrunchyFerrett> But I DID IT by god
[07:55] <morph_> kool, well i just got my KDE looking nice and working stable
[07:55] <jlund> TheCreationist: 1st point - Heresay. People like you coming in here with your "common knowledge" based on nothing could be responsible for the kind of statements you refer to. 2nd point - I've run both Gnome and KDE for over a year each and Kubuntu is not any less stable. 3rd point - Desktop effects are coming in KDE 4.0. Plasma is going to be awesome. Also I can tell that you really are talking out of your ass because Amarok and K3b
[07:55] <jlund> and others all tell you when you don't have mp3 support installed and offer to set it up for you.
[07:55] <marcelol> miltos: not my area of knowledge, dude...my answer would be YEAH....but I ain't the guy to ask
[07:55] <morph_> well except the knetwork manager desnt always show when KDE starts,  anyone know why?
[07:56] <miltos> Can anybody tell me if is there any way to unrar a series of password protected files?
[07:56] <marcelol> who the hell is this "common knowledge" coming from ? Mr Monkey ?
[07:56] <TheCreationist> jlund: I use both Amarok and K3b on Ubuntu just fine.  Before you attack my comments, perhaps you should get a little more information.  I'm not referring to KDE 4.  I'm talking about Feisty.  Kubuntu Feisty is ages behind Ubuntu Feisty in terms of stability and easy of use.
[07:57] <marcelol> morph....you sure you didn't turn something off ? mine always comes on automatically
[07:57] <makuseru> how do i install a .deb in a terminal?
[07:57] <TheCreationist> jlund: I started using Linux with Kubuntu Edgy.  I love KDE.  I do.
[07:57] <FoxFire> ummm how do you enable the restricted modules? I forgot
[07:57] <morph_> it shows a empty space where it should be
[07:57] <TheCreationist> jlund:  But when it comes to shear stability and features, the KDE version of Ubuntu absolutely sucks.
[07:58] <marcelol> TheCreationist: Whaaa ? GTFOH, what are you puffin ?
[07:58] <morph_> like a blank space between other apps
[07:58] <jlund> TheCreationist: I just think you are being silly. You come into the Kubuntu channel asking a Gnome question and justify it by insulting the stability of the distro variant that we are using. You are in the wrong both in fact and in presentation.
[07:58] <FoxFire> ummm how do you enable the restricted modules? I forgot
[07:58] <greywolf_> TheCreationist: I must differ with you on your last point. I installed Kubuntu, then installed gnome and used that for 3 months and tried KDE again, and never went back. It seemed to me that KDE was more stable (except for one or two annoying things like the Konqueror filter crashing bug), and on the whole, much more robust.
[07:58] <jlund> TheCreationist: In short, you are off-base regarding both the stability of Kubuntu and also the manner in which you are presenting yourself and asking questions.
[07:59] <marcelol> like I said before....if it weren't for the driver instability of the nvidia-glx...I wouldn't have had any problems...
[08:00] <jlund> TheCreationist: What a stupid way to ask for help!
[08:00] <marcelol> ndiswrapper was no big deal to set up...and KNetworkManager is sooooo much easier than GWin ? Is that it ?
[08:00] <TheCreationist> jlund: I came here respectfully requesting some help with gnome since most people here have some experience with gnome.  When I was ridiculed for asking a gnome question here, I simply stated my reason for not using KDE.  I was jumped with insults immediately.   You came in here talking trash about Kubuntu and maligning the amount of support it receives from the Ubuntu community. Hilariously you completely neglect to see the irony in you coming into this channel that you are trashing because you didn't get help in #ubuntu.
[08:01] <marcelol> and even if I didn't like Gnome ( which I don't ), I wouldn't go into a room and then if I didn't get the feedback I wanted, sling da hash..........
[08:01] <FoxFire> thanks greywolf
[08:01] <greywolf_> well that's not all :P
[08:02] <pacman> can someone assist me in getting java runtime installed properly and plugged into firefox?
[08:02] <TheCreationist> "Kubuntu is the neglected child of Ubuntu, sadly."  - Jucato
[08:02] <marcelol> damn...here greywolf_ is trying to lend a guy a hand and all this diatribe is clouding the screen....STFU and have a coke and a smile already dude
[08:02] <TheCreationist> pacman: Install the plugin package as well, not just sun-java6-jre
[08:02] <morph_> how about helping instead of talking smak
[08:03] <TheCreationist> pacman: I believe the proper package is sun-java6-plugin
[08:03] <greywolf_> open it with sudo and add the word "restricted" to the lines of the fiesty repositories
[08:03] <marcelol> there you go morph_
[08:03] <FoxFire> Creationist the great linus torvalds creator of linux says to use kde so meh that aside I can't stand gnome
[08:03] <greywolf_> lol FoxFire
[08:03] <FoxFire> it's all personal preference
[08:03] <greywolf_> marcelol: thanks :)
[08:04] <jlund> TheCreationist: I don't know who that is and what does that prove anyway? That is like me pasting a quote from you two months from now to prove that Kubuntu is less stable than Ubuntu. Total heresay with no basis in reality.
[08:04] <morph_> is there a bug with resume image when booting,  my computer hangs at this point
[08:04] <marcelol> FoxFire: and after all....every time Mr MonkeyBoy has told Linux to put up or shut up, and when he puts us...Mr MonkeyBoy shuts up...what does THAT tell you, about "support" ?
[08:04] <marcelol> you're welcome greywolf_
[08:05] <TheCreationist> jlund: Whatever.    You don't know the answer to my question, fine.  Don't be an asshole and pick a fight because I have issues with KDE>
[08:05] <marcelol> jlund: third time I've said it...if it weren't for the nvidia-glx ( which is now resolved ).....Feisty Kubuntu wouldn't have given me any problems Feisty Ubuntu wouldn't have given anyone else.
[08:05] <FoxFire> there's kinda a half lack there of lol
[08:06] <pacman> sweet...fixed...thanks
[08:06] <marcelol> TheCreationist: Good...you admitted you have issues, that's the first step towards recovery.
[08:06] <TheCreationist> pacman: My pleasure :)
[08:06] <sumigamer> guys I added beryl to the startup and now I want to remove it ( from the startup).  My issue isn't that you have a problem with KDE it is the totally ridiculous manner in which you conducted yourself in here. Joining this channel to ask for help for a Gnome question and then trashing Kubuntu in #kubuntu.   Now shush.
[08:07] <greywolf_> too much drama for me, guys, I'm goin to bed :P
[08:07] <greywolf_> night
[08:07] <TheCreationist> greywolf_: g'nite.
[08:07] <morph_> helpy!
[08:07] <marcelol> TheCreationist : Dude....you really should switch to decaf...
[08:07] <morph_> think dual boot is causing the problem?
[08:08] <jlund> TheCreationist: Yeah, I love that you come in here and stir things up with false and inflammatory statements and then tell me to shush.
[08:08] <marcelol> finally....
[08:09] <marcelol> jlund: it's not worth it.....even humor couldn't reach'm.....
[08:09] <jlund> That was sure frustrating! I should know better than to participate in that kind of discussion. Sorry all.
[08:09] <marcelol> if humor doesn't difuse someone with that train of thought.....nothing will..
[08:10] <marcelol> no worries.......but seriously....why is it 30% of KDE users today are previous Gnome users ? ....they finally woke up, that's why
[08:11] <morph_> wow kde4 is gonna look tight
[08:11] <marcelol> yeah.....but it's still a ways off...
[08:12] <marcelol> but you're right....it'll be nice to finally tell Mr Monkey Boy and his tools to STFU finally
[08:13] <morph_> like 4 months
[08:13] <morph_> right?
[08:14] <marcelol> not b4 the end of the year methinks
[08:14] <jlund> It comes out the end of October
[08:14] <marcelol> you think so ?
[08:14] <erikja> !vnc
[08:14] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[08:14] <morph_> yeah that is what i thought
[08:15] <jlund> marcelol: That is the roadmap that they have committed to.
[08:15] <marcelol> thinks there are some optimists in the room
[08:15] <morph_> on thier calender
[08:15] <marcelol> jlund: And I wish'm the best of luck meeting that time frame
[08:15] <FoxFire> what does this mean beryl: No GLXFBConfig for depth 32
[08:15] <morph_> prolly means you should run in 24 bit
[08:16] <marcelol> FoxFire:...uh yeah...what morph_ said
[08:16] <jlund> Which means that Kubuntu Gutsy won't have KDE 4.0 as the default desktop but I read an interview with Jonathan Riddell and they are planning on having full packages for it as soon as it comes out. I can't wait.
[08:16] <erikja> !freenx
[08:16] <ubotu> FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[08:16] <sumigamer3> I created a link the Kde autostart folder for beryl by the some command that the folks here at this channel gave me. Now how do i remove it??
[08:16] <FoxFire> Im just running default
[08:16] <morph_> defualt depth should be set to 24
[08:16] <marcelol> nvidia-settings says the display can run 32, but I leave it at 24 in xorg.conf as default....
[08:16] <morph_> its normally 16 i think
[08:16] <jlund> aKademy is running right now and they are doing a full coding marathon for a week. We should have some really solid idea of where things stand after the conference.
[08:17] <morph_> i tried beryl but it was too unstable
[08:17] <marcelol> morph_: yes....it likes to drop back to 16 for some insance reason
[08:17] <morph_> kept having problems starting apps
[08:18] <marcelol> is running it now....after hitmanWilly gave'm the heads up
[08:18] <marcelol> apps like what morph_ ?
[08:18] <morph_> any app
[08:18] <marcelol> whoa
[08:18] <marcelol> that's just wrong
[08:18] <morph_> would give me an error
[08:18] <morph_> yeah had to logout
[08:19] <morph_> then log in again
[08:19] <marcelol> <-- is running it on an old-ass Inspiron laptop right now
[08:19] <marcelol> 4 year old lappy
[08:19] <morph_> wow
[08:19] <morph_> i have a m1210
[08:19] <marcelol> new HW...you shouldn't be having problems
[08:20] <marcelol> m1210 is like what ? year and a half old ?
[08:20] <sumigamer3> I created a link the Kde autostart folder for beryl by the some command that the folks here at this channel gave me. Now how do i remove it??
[08:20] <morph_> naw new
[08:20] <morph_> like a few months
[08:21] <marcelol> damn dawg....you sure you install the right drivers ?
[08:21] <marcelol> you should be able to use the newer nv-glx driver
[08:21] <FoxFire> I think it's the nvidia driver I'm running
[08:21] <marcelol> or are yo ati ?
[08:21] <morph_> nvidia
[08:22] <marcelol> FoxFire: You should make sure you remove the nv-glx driver....switch back to the def nv one
[08:22] <morph_> click show hidden fils
[08:22] <morph_> files
[08:22] <marcelol> then install the nv-glx driver that most appropriately matches your config
[08:22] <FoxFire> what default nvidia?
[08:23] <morph_> err your usernam of course
[08:23] <marcelol> nv
[08:23] <marcelol> it's installed by default
[08:23] <FoxFire> I used sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[08:23] <marcelol> that sounds right
[08:23] <marcelol> and you enabled it...
[08:23] <FoxFire> yep
[08:23] <marcelol> and then added the argbglxvisuals ?
[08:24] <marcelol> are you unable to reboot and go directly to the login ?
[08:24] <FoxFire> would that be this? sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals -d 24
[08:24] <marcelol> yes..
[08:24] <marcelol> after you enable the driver
[08:24] <marcelol> once you've done that...
[08:24] <marcelol> restart X.....ctl-alt-BKSPACE....
[08:24] <morph_> arent you suppose to # out glx for nvidia cards?
[08:24] <morph_> when using beryl
[08:25] <FoxFire> k brb
[08:25] <marcelol> then try running kdesu nvidia-settings and having it detect your card, etc...etc ONE time..
[08:25] <marcelol> then you should be able to reboot and come straight in
[08:25] <_Iamda> with PC running,,is it ok to shut down the monitor at will, leave it down 2hrs. or 23hrs., or 2 weeks...?
[08:25] <marcelol> is running it with it now
[08:26] <makuseru> !flightgear
[08:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flightgear - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:26] <_Iamda> yes
[08:26] <marcelol> mind you I turned disable GL Yield
[08:26] <Admiral_Chicago> _Iamda: what type of monitor
[08:27] <_Iamda> dell
[08:27] <_Iamda> 14"
[08:28] <FoxFire> ok beryl seems worse off then before
[08:29] <makuseru> beryl is legacy now
[08:29] <marcelol> in Advanced Beryl Options....try Rendering Path to COPY
[08:29] <FoxFire> this is the error http://www.pastebin.ca/600979
[08:30] <makuseru> FoxFire: whats your problem?
[08:30] <marcelol> try that and DISABLE GL YIELD
[08:30] <marcelol> Hmmmm
[08:31] <makuseru> marcelol: whats his problem?
[08:31] <marcelol> you have bigger issues...KDED isn't responding
[08:31] <marcelol> did you reboot dude ?
[08:31] <FoxFire> yeps
[08:33] <morph_> so is ther a way to fix resume image when booting?
[08:33] <marcelol> I would run : sudo  dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg    from a recovery console.....revert to the default nv driver...then go into ADEPT, and remove the NVidia-glx.....once you've done that...make sure you've got the linux restrticted modules installed ( the up to date ones )
[08:34] <morph_> my pc hangs when it says doing normal boot
[08:34] <marcelol> make sure  you've PURGED nvidia-glx ( you might have to revert to the command line to ensure that )
[08:34] <marcelol> then you can go back and re-download nvidia-glx and enable it..
[08:35] <marcelol> morph_: I don't use suspend or hibernate here as yet....
[08:36] <morph_> its when i reboot
[08:36] <marcelol> <-- my bedtime here folks.....have a restful night
[08:36] <morph_> or after shutdown
[08:36] <morph_> k night
[08:36] <FoxFire> laters :D
[08:36] <marcelol> I'll give it some thought...
[08:36] <marcelol> will return tomorrow night
[08:37] <morph_> bedtime for me as well
[08:37] <morph_> peace
[08:46] <TrueFX> hi guys
[08:46] <TrueFX> how can i dl a websites content by konvertin link to view it in my comp?
[08:46] <TrueFX> it's my own web site in a remote server in university
[08:46] <andre__> somebody could help me?
[08:46] <TrueFX> i have forgetten to password
[08:47] <TrueFX> so i wnat to dl it and put all the  content now in my computer at home
[08:47] <TrueFX> andre go and ask
[08:47] <TrueFX> nobody would say ok
[08:47] <andre__> anybody knows how to configure this
[08:47] <andre__> Application tried to create a window, but no driver could be loaded.
[08:47] <andre__> Make sure that your X server is running and that $DISPLAY is set correctly
[08:47] <TrueFX> if sb know they ll write
[08:48] <TrueFX> no idea sorry
[08:49] <andre__> thanks dude
[08:49] <andre__> did you know any link about that?
[08:50] <Timsen> TrueFX: if you surf with firefox, you could use the extension scrapbook
[08:50] <TrueFX> ?
[08:51] <TrueFX> i cant there is a problem with firefox
[08:51] <TrueFX> wit wget normall it should be done
[08:51] <TrueFX> wget -r -k
[08:51] <TrueFX> but it says permission denied
[08:51] <TrueFX> wget -r -k http://www.students.itu.edu.tr/~bacioglu
[08:51] <Timsen> and you start the wget in a directory where you have write permissions" to save the site content?
[08:51] <TrueFX> my own site
[08:52] <rixxon> Anyone know a handwriting typefont similar to Purisa, but with support for swedish characters ()? I want something cute for KNotes :)
[08:52] <TrueFX> timsen
[08:52] <TrueFX> thx
[08:52] <TrueFX> :)
[08:52] <TrueFX> it's fool of me
[08:52] <TrueFX> i was not root
[08:53] <TrueFX> ii thought it was a server side error
[08:53] <TrueFX> :)
[08:54] <Timsen> np
[08:55] <sumigamer2> guys how do i change the resolution of an image in kubuntu??
[08:55] <rixxon> sumigamer2: have a look in the graphics menu, alternatively install gimp or imagemagick or search for something else
[08:57] <sumigamer2> rixxon, actually I am trying to change the resolution of a logo so that I can fit it on the kicker in place of the K menu logo...
[08:59] <kraut> moin
[09:04] <hanzz_> hi.. i heard about program which can sets variables in /proc ... does somebody know his name?
[09:04] <hanzz_> i think that it has GUI
[09:07] <bentob0x> I need to reinstall my machine, should I go for Kubuntu again (which is what I'm using now) or should I install a debian + kde?
[09:08] <bentob0x> knowing that I'm using Linux since March
[09:08] <rixxon> bentob0x: you asking that here?
[09:08] <bentob0x> yes
[09:08] <rixxon> bentob0x: debian folks will tell you debian ftw, kubuntu folks will tell you kubuntu ftw
[09:08] <bentob0x> Kubuntu is debian-based right?
[09:09] <rixxon> nah not really no more
[09:09] <bentob0x> ah
[09:09] <bentob0x> see I was right to ask it here? :)
[09:09] <rixxon> bentob0x: lets say it like this, i *think* debian is more raw, less pre-setup, while kubuntu includes more packages and is more preconfigured
 lol yes it is
[09:10] <rixxon> bentob0x: if you like how kubuntu is set up, go for it, otherwise, try something else?
 it is still debian based
[09:10] <rixxon> insmod: sure but they're not very much like each other anymore?
[09:11] <rixxon> debian != apt you know :)
[09:11] <bentob0x> I like Kubuntu a lot, I was just thinking that as I'm getting to know Linux a bit better, maybe it's time to get a bit more 'in control' of my distro?
 ya they are -- ubuntu pulls off of debian servers and just changes the package to there own
[09:12] <rixxon> bentob0x: only if you feel the need? it's not a requirement to be a rookie to use ubuntu.
 that's like saying mandrake and fedora are not redhat based
[09:12] <bentob0x> true but a lot of things are pre-chewed
[09:12] <bentob0x> no?
[09:12] <rixxon> insmod: ok sure, it is debian based, my point is they are rather different from each other
[09:12] <rixxon> but sure it is *based* on debian
if you learn the back end all distroes are the same
[09:13] <rixxon> and hey, fedora *is* red hat
 only in gui my friend
[09:14] <rixxon> bentob0x: like insmod say, they're all linux anyhow. I used to be you after having used ubuntu for like half a year, then I used arch linux (very raw linux) for a year, now I'm back here.
 the bare bones are the same and for someone that uses term most of the time they are the same
[09:14] <rixxon> bentob0x: ask yourself if you want a system to use the computer with, or if you want a system to toy with the computer with
 my 11th yr lol
[09:15] <rixxon> hehe
[09:15] <bentob0x> which system is the one I'll 'toy' with?
any
[09:15] <rixxon> bentob0x: not *ubuntu anyway :>
[09:15] <rixxon> sure you can toy with *ubuntu too
[09:16] <rixxon> but it is probably not the best fit distro for that - while it is better fit than others on being a system to *use* the computer with
want a distro to learn -- linuxfromscratch.org
[09:16] <bentob0x> maybe the good point is that *buntu has a very fast-growning community
[09:16] <rixxon> I wouldn't go straight to LFS after a few months with linux
[09:16] <bentob0x> so I have better chances to find help and technical support?
[09:17] <bentob0x> (it's not really support, I know)
[09:17] <rixxon> It is a form of support :)
[09:18] <bentob0x> what about for a webserver?  Should I use Kubuntu for my own machine and maybe a debian machine for my webserver/fileserver?
[09:18] <Krijali> anyone using beryl?
[09:18] <bentob0x> yep
[09:19] <rixxon> bentob0x: there is ubuntu server, though to me *ubuntu is a desktop distro, so I don't know
[09:19] <rixxon> I prefer BSD on servers
[09:19] <bentob0x> hmmm
[09:19] <rixxon> bentob0x: though with ubuntu server you can have LAMP up and running in 15 minutes, install time included
don't allow ubuntu as a web server unless you know how to lock it down
[09:20] <bentob0x> ok
[09:20] <rixxon> insmod: isn't ubuntu *server* locked properly
[09:20] <bentob0x> I don't mind spending time on install tho
[09:20] <Krijali> bentob0x: how well does it work for you?
[09:20] <bentob0x> Krijali: check on #beryl
[09:20] <rixxon> bentob0x: then go with openbsd :D
 no because any use can ssh the box and sudo root
[09:20] <bentob0x> goes very well Krijali, but I have an nvidia
 no because any user
[09:20] <bentob0x> although ATI has made efforts recently
[09:21] <rixxon> not that it takes time to install, ten minutes about, includes apache
[09:21] <Krijali> bentob0x: will do thx!
 nvidia is better
[09:21] <bentob0x> ye I know insmod :)
[09:22] <bentob0x> Krijali: type in google: nvidia beryl wiki or ati beryl wiki and click on "I'm feeling lucky" instead of search
[09:22] <bentob0x> you'll get the beryl wiki that's quite good
[09:22] <Krijali> bentob0x: will do (this will be with a laptop w/ati)
[09:31] <TrueFX> hi
[09:31] <TrueFX> where is the kernel in kubuntu?
[09:31] <TrueFX> to compile a kernel where do i have to go?
[09:32] <aaron_> compiz question here...
[09:35] <budg__> TrueFX: /usr/src/linux
[09:35] <TrueFX> linux-headers-2.6.20-15          linux-headers-2.6.20-16          linux-headers-2.6.20-16-server
[09:35] <TrueFX> linux-headers-2.6.20-15-generic  linux-headers-2.6.20-16-generic
[09:35] <TrueFX> whihc one is active?
[09:38] <budg__> TrueFX:  "uname -r" will tell you the kernel you are running
[09:38] <ubuntu_> i'm a new user, and i would help, in french please
[09:38] <miltos> how can I check if my kubuntu make use of the nvidia drivers?
[09:40] <budg__> miltos: "glxgears" will tell you if 3d is working
[09:41] <miltos> budg_: glxgears? how do I run?
[09:42] <budg__> type it in a console or with the run command "alt F2"
[09:44] <Dusk_> miltos: in konsole write glxgears
[09:45] <miltos> Dusk_: thanks...
[09:45] <defcon> I need to know which settings file or folder system/preferences/"Sessions" uses because it does not save, My permissions seem to be wrong and I need to find the file/folder to fix the issue
[09:45] <miltos> Dusk_: gears running...is it okey?
[09:47] <budg> miltos: if you see gears its working
[09:47] <shawnyboi> hello
[09:47] <miltos> budg:thanks...
[09:48] <shawnyboi> glx gears?
[09:48] <shawnyboi> yeah its nice
[09:48] <shawnyboi> trying to get dri working?
[09:48] <miltos> budg:but my monitor settings still reports vesa instead of nvidia...
[09:48] <shawnyboi> yeah thats hard to get around sometimes
[09:49] <shawnyboi> vesa stays the display driver even tho
[09:50] <shawnyboi> ooops
[09:50] <shawnyboi> woops
[09:50] <shawnyboi> did that happen again?
[09:51] <budg> miltos: try typing "glxinfo | grep NVIDIA"
[09:52] <miltos> budg:wait..
[09:52] <budg> if it says somthing like "OpenGL version string: 2.1.1 NVIDIA 100.14.03"
[09:52] <budg> the nvidia driver is working
[09:53] <miltos> budg: i've got the error messages like...insufficient resources for operation
[09:56] <budg> hmm, ok try  lsmod | grep nvidia
[09:56] <shawnyboi> yeah try that
[09:57] <miltos> budg:nothing happens it returns to prompt
[09:57] <shawnyboi> uh oh thats not good
[09:57] <budg> well the driver is not loaded
[09:57] <shawnyboi> your nvidia graphical interface is not being loaded into the cpu unfortunately.
[09:57] <budg> how did you install the driver
[09:58] <miltos> budg: what should i do?
[10:01] <kstan> hi
[10:01] <kstan> somebody having problem keyboard not responding in java swing application?
[10:04] <kstan> Riddell:  Hi, did you facing java swing application not detect keyboard event in linux?
[10:14] <fnf> I've seen some people running another X server in a window in a KDE session. Can anyone tell me how to do that ?
[10:15] <pvandewyngaerde> xnest
[10:15] <pvandewyngaerde> xephyr
[10:19] <Stratys> excuse me but is 113 fps good?
[10:19] <fnf> pvandewyngaerde: thank you, that helps. :)
[10:31] <kstan> somebody having problem keyboard not responding in java swing application?
[10:39] <IppatsuManXYZ> Hi all. I've a problem: as soon as KDE starts, the keyboard doesn't work. It works in kdm, I can type the password, but it doesn't work after the login. Here's the content of ~/.xsession_errors : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28305/ Does anyone know how to fix it?
[10:50] <PepperBob> hi all!
[10:50] <PepperBob> i use k3b to burn cds
[10:50] <PepperBob> unfortunately it is not able to burn audio cds
[10:50] <PepperBob> it seems i'm missing something
[10:50] <PepperBob> actually i use k3b with gnome
[10:50] <PepperBob> any ideas?
[10:50] <pvandewyngaerde> why doesn't it work ?
[10:50] <PepperBob> ok got it imho
[10:51] <pvandewyngaerde> are the codecs installed ?
[10:51] <PepperBob> i was missing libk3b2-mp3
[10:51] <PepperBob> ^
[10:51] <PepperBob> not (yet) ;)
[10:51] <PepperBob> thanks anyways pvandewyngaerde!
[10:54] <BetaTester> Hi all. Anybody here with AMD turion 64 x2 CPU and custom kernel?
[10:59] <PepperBob> BetaTester, me but w/o customer kernel
[11:00] <PepperBob> using 32bit though....
[11:01] <BetaTester> PepperBob, I tried compiling a custom kernel with CPU type K8, but without success
[11:01] <BetaTester> :(
[11:04] <PepperBob> BetaTester, well... from my gentoo times: compiling a customer kernel can be a pain... :)
[11:04] <PepperBob> BetaTester, so i never did - why would you?
[11:05] <rixxon> Why would you run Ubuntu if you want to do things like recompiling the kernel and such, in the first place
[11:06] <PepperBob> rixxon, well there could be reasons for this.
[11:06] <dfeser> hi all!
[11:06] <alexicon> whats qmake?
[11:07] <alexicon> oh for qt i guess
[11:07] <alexicon> where do i find it tho
[11:07] <dfeser> is it possible to get the automount working for usb disks with ntfs?
[11:07] <dfeser> i can mount is manually with ntfs-3g
[11:07] <dfeser> but it wont work like plugging in an usb stick
[11:08] <alexicon> what package is qmake a part of?
[11:08] <alexicon> !qmake
[11:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about qmake - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:09] <BetaTester> PepperBob I did it about 10 times with K7 and i686 cpus and there is 5-7% gain according to nbench
[11:11] <petre> hi
[11:12] <petre> i need some help
[11:12] <petre> pls
[11:12] <PepperBob> BetaTester, i surely doubt that you will "feel" this - just a measure
[11:13] <BetaTester> I need the best from my hardware PepperBob, I run a GUI terminal server
[11:14] <Hobbsee> !info qmake
[11:14] <ubotu> Package qmake does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[11:14] <Hobbsee> !info qmake gutsy
[11:14] <BetaTester> currently it is on a K7 Athlon, but I am trying to get it going on a turion 64 x2 just for a test, before I actually purchase something like conroe or amd x2
[11:14] <ubotu> Package qmake does not exist in gutsy
[11:14] <Hobbsee> alexicon: qt3-dev-tools
[11:15] <Hobbsee> matysek: please disable the away message
[11:15] <alexicon> yep just found it, cheers
[11:15] <alexicon> turns out i needed qt4 that was the prob :|
[11:16] <matysek> Hobbsee: i use it twice a day, is it a problem?
[11:16] <Hobbsee> matysek: it's annoying in #ubuntu
[11:16] <Hobbsee> matysek: if everyone used it...
[11:16] <Hobbsee> !away
[11:16] <ubotu> You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[11:17] <matysek> Hobbsee: and what about changing nickname to nIcKnAmE? is it allowed?
[11:17] <Hobbsee> matysek: it's less annoying - people often disable joins/parts
[11:17] <Hobbsee> silent /away also works too
[11:18] <PepperBob> BetaTester, did you load your old config?
[11:20] <PepperBob> BetaTester, before you changed the processor type
[11:20] <BetaTester> PepperBob. I got it going :)
[11:20] <BetaTester> with 2.6.18
[11:21] <BetaTester> without loading the old config :)
[11:21] <PepperBob> BetaTester, great then :)
[11:21] <BetaTester> yeaah :)
[11:21] <BetaTester> I will see the difference later PapperBob
[11:23] <alexicon> whats this about?
[11:23] <alexicon> make: g++: Command not found
[11:23] <alexicon> make: *** [generated_obj/pfs.o]  Error 127
[11:23] <petre> i did install a software - scilab: but  when I load it gives me an error :/usr/bin/scilab: 28: /usr/lib/pvm3//lib/pvmgetarch: not found -> can anyone knows   what to do?
[11:24] <rixxon> !build-essential > alexicon
[11:24] <alexicon> cheers
[11:25] <rixxon> hm does that work
[11:25] <alexicon> yes
[11:25] <rixxon> I haven't used ubotu in like a year :D
[11:35] <arun> how do i scan things? i have a scanner connection and i just installed sane
[11:35] <arun> !sane
[11:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sane - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:35] <arun> !scan
[11:35] <ubotu> Scanning software: XSane, the gimp, Kooka. For instructions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo and to see supported hardware: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners
[11:37] <deepa> !kooka
[11:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kooka - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:39] <arun> i tried kooka, but i dont know how to scan using that
[11:39] <arun> deepa: have you used it to scan anything?
[11:40] <deepa> arun: i always use kooka
[11:40] <anryko> scan what?
[11:41] <arun> scan a photograph, i don't have a usb scanner, it's an old one
[11:41] <arun> canon
[11:41] <arun> i don't think it's detecting my scanner
[11:41] <arun> damn
[11:41] <anryko> kooka :)
[11:42] <arun> anyway, thanks for the help deepa, anryko
[11:42] <arun> i'll be back in a few
[11:55] <francesco_> !it
[11:55] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:11] <okay> hi
[12:13] <jussi01> hi
[12:19] <rixxon> With dynamic cpu frequency, it is stuck on the lowest when running unrar. Unrar is shit slow but a bit faster with the performance governor, can I make it work properly with dynamic?
[12:37] <enry> hello
[12:44] <DarkMageZ> hi, i'm looking for a x64 kubuntu feisty user who uses (or can use) amarok and has a feisty pbuilder setup. anyone awake who meets this and has some spare time?
[12:49] <jussi01> hmmm, you dont ask much do you...
[12:50] <etalli> It's 0649
[12:51] <DarkMageZ> jussi01, i know. such a rare kind of user. but it's for their kind benefit. (sif i'd care about an x64 issue :P)
[12:52] <jussi01> DarkMageZ: sad, i meet all the requirements... except for x64
[12:52] <jussi01> DarkMageZ: you might try asking Hobbsee
[12:53] <DarkMageZ> i was under the influence that hobbsee had an old system which would rule her out of x64 bitness?
[12:53] <jussi01> DarkMageZ: I dont know, I do know she has kubuntu though
[12:55] <Lynoure> No x64 on this one either
[12:56] <clemens> lol
[12:59] <pvandewyngaerde> i have x64, but gutsy
[01:00] <DarkMageZ> pvandewyngaerde, do you have a pbuilder setup for gutsy? i suppose gutsy will do.
[01:02] <moritz_> hallo
[01:05] <DarkMageZ> fine. i'll drop the pbuilder requirement... just to see if i'm wasting my time...
[01:06] <DarkMageZ> any x64 users got a few minutes?
[01:06] <[ifroog] > Hi.. any one uses knetworkmanager in the panel ?
[01:07] <moritz_> <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:07] <pag> !anyone | [ifroog]
[01:07] <ubotu> [ifroog] : A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[01:09] <[ifroog] > lol
[01:10] <[ifroog] > Alright, i set it to manual configure. and i now want to set it back to automatically detect wireless networks, HOW ?
[01:11] <[ifroog] > Before at right click it used to show the wirelessnetwork detected..
[01:12] <pag> [ifroog] , do you have "enable wireless" checked in right-click menu (it's under options)
[01:13] <[ifroog] > pag, yes i do..
[01:15] <pag> [ifroog] , well.. how about Manual Configuration and there try to configure your wireless interface. There's Manual and Automatic options
[01:16] <[ifroog] > pag, right now its set on dhcp.
[01:17] <[ifroog] > the icon also in the panel looks diffrent.
[01:17] <elcastor> hi
[01:18] <pag> [ifroog] , ok. Sorry, but I'm out of ideas.
[01:19] <[ifroog] > pag, even on a friend laptop i tried to manually configure lan. But then wireless too got manual.
[01:20] <[ifroog] > and the icon changed and now you can see the wireless networks around..
[01:20] <[ifroog] > well, i'll try to google..
[01:20] <pag> !wireless
[01:20] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:20] <_4strO> [ifroog] : dont understand your pb
[01:24] <[ifroog] > _4strO, you have this knetworkmanager in the panel which on rightclick you can see the wireless networks around you and click connect them. But since i click on manually configure .. I cant see the wireless network around me.
[01:24] <_4strO> mmm
[01:45] <MattJ100> Hey all, what is the difference between a primary and a logical partition?
[01:45] <MattJ100> Must the root partition be primary?
[01:45] <Olof[M] > Is this a help channel? Ktorrent is bugging me
[01:45] <_4strO> MattJ100: a logical partition can contain other partitions
[01:45] <balaji> how to mount a NTFS formatted USB harddrive?
[01:46] <_4strO> !ntfs | balaji
[01:46] <ubotu> balaji: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[01:46] <_4strO> Olof[M] : what's happening ?
[01:46] <Olof[M] > _4strO: I'm downloading some huge torrents, 100gb+. which seems to have messed up the program
[01:46] <_4strO> Olof[M] : see with ntfs-config
[01:46] <_4strO> oups
[01:46] <Olof[M] > whut
[01:47] <_4strO> balaji: see with ntfs-config
[01:47] <Olof[M] > I'm not used to linux at all, being forced to use it because my computer hasn't got internet connection atm.
[01:47] <balaji> i doenloaded ntfs-config but that gives a error saying gtk warning cannot open display
[01:47] <_4strO> Olof[M] : think you have to put them one by one in ktorrent
[01:47] <MattJ100> Isn't there a limit on the number of primary partitions, iirc?
[01:47] <_4strO> balaji: in a console type : kdesu ntfs-config
[01:48] <Olof[M] > _4strO: well. It worked for a while until I tried to change properties of a torrent, which messed up the proram
[01:48] <_4strO> MattJ100: max 4 primary then you can create a logical partition to go up
[01:48] <Olof[M] > _4strO: I tried to remove the torrent by deleting the temporary files, and now the program wont start at all
[01:48] <MattJ100> Ah, k
[01:49] <balaji> kdesu: cannot connect to X server
[01:49] <_4strO> Olof[M] : in ~/.kde/shareapps/ktorrent ?
[01:49] <Olof[M] > yeah
[01:49] <_4strO> or something like that
[01:49] <Olof[M] > yes
[01:49] <twosouls82> Olof[M] : why did you do that? in the future use the app to remove its temp files
[01:50] <Olof[M] > twosouls82: cause the app wont start at all. it freezes and closes everytime I start it
[01:50] <twosouls82> Olof[M] : what is put on stderr?
[01:51] <Olof[M] > twosouls82: whats that?
[01:51] <Olof[M] > I don't use linux myself, but I'm forced to use it as my connection to internet for a couple of weeks
[01:51] <_4strO> balaji: ?
[01:51] <twosouls82> Olof[M] : when an application is runned from the commandline it will print debug/error messages to the Konsole, if any
[01:51] <twosouls82> did you see any messages when you tried to run it from the commandline?
[01:52] <_4strO> balaji: it will give you some erreors in the console then open the ntfs-config
[01:52] <Olof[M] > twosouls82: communication problems
[01:52] <Olof[M] > " Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166 "
[01:52] <Olof[M] > 'spoe that doesn't mean anything
[01:52] <_4strO> !baddevice
[01:52] <ubotu> If you are receiving an error similar to "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168", it can be safely ignored. If you want to get rid of the error messages then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[01:53] <twosouls82> Olof[M] : that is because of an entry in your xorg.conf for a non-existant device, that has nothing to do with KTorrent not starting up
[01:53] <twosouls82> anything else?
[01:53] <Olof[M] > yeah, sec
[01:53] <Olof[M] > terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc'
[01:53] <Olof[M] >   what():  St9bad_alloc
[01:55] <Olof[M] > I can paste all of it, if someone knows about that textdump site.
[01:55] <twosouls82> Olof[M] : I would advice trying to backup .kde/share/config/ktorrentrc and .kde/share/apps/ktorrent and see if KTorrent will run without your config; to see if your configuration has a little 'bug' in it
[01:55] <_4strO> Olof[M] : can you paste the result of : ls ~/.kde/share/apps/ktorrent ?
[01:55] <twosouls82> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[01:56] <Olof[M] > http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28319/
[01:57] <Olof[M] > twosouls82: will it create new ones by default?
[01:57] <_4strO> Olof[M] : can we remove all current torrent ?
[01:57] <twosouls82> Olof[M] : yes it will, but be sure to backup the old settings first
[01:57] <balaji> yeah i could mount the device changing /etc/fstab but get no write permssions??
[01:57] <_4strO> Olof[M] : clear all torrent queued ?
[01:58] <Olof[M] > _4strO: that's the deal, I have other large torrents that has been running for a couple of weeks.
[01:58] <Olof[M] > I'd like to find a way to save them somehow.
[01:58] <_4strO> Olof[M] : are thez finished ?
[01:58] <Olof[M] > nope
[01:58] <_4strO> ok
[01:58] <twosouls82> Olof[M] : there is a part file importer plugin for KTorrent, so that wont be a problem at all
[01:59] <Olof[M] > twosouls82:  okay
[01:59] <_4strO> mmm not sure
[01:59] <twosouls82> Olof[M] : you need the original torrent that started it for it though
[01:59] <Olof[M] > twosouls82: so basically I just move the ktorrentrc file and the tempfiles? leaving nothing
[01:59] <Olof[M] > ok, that will probably not be a problem
[01:59] <_4strO> Olof[M] : what is the last operation you made before ktorrent bug ?
[02:00] <twosouls82> Olof[M] : yes, but backup the old files to be sure, and that's it
[02:00] <Olof[M] > _4strO: changed properties of a really huge torrent. it started to bug and ask for files that weren't supposed to be downloaded
[02:00] <Olof[M] > ok