[06:48] <wikijeff> The_Jack_of_Club, I'm on the edge of my seat. no pun intended
[06:48] <mikepence> this is my first night with kubuntu
[06:48] <Seaward> Hey all, could someone give me some time to help me with a DHCP server issue I'm having on ubuntu please?
[06:49] <The_Jack_of_Club> me too
[06:49] <rredd4> the ubuntu.com web page has 6.10 on it instead of 6.06
[06:49] <nalioth> Seaward: if you ask a question
[06:49] <The_Jack_of_Club> i have been really impressed by 6.06 so im totally there on 6.10
[06:49] <Autonomy> _samuel: Probably a matter of hours :p Maybe minutes... Who knows! :)
[06:49] <yoink> !ef
[06:49] <ubotu> Edgy will be released around October 26th (*some* timezone) - we don't know at precisely what time of the day it will be finalized and published for download. Please be patient!
[06:49] <Xitium> rredd4 yeah but I can't find a download
[06:49] <mikepence> wow, too many users in here
[06:49] <phire_NZ> what time is it in PDT?
[06:49] <rredd4> Xitium oh, i have not looked
[06:49] <rredd4> yet
[06:50] <jbroome> 21:49
[06:50] <amicrawle> mike welcome to the world of Linux
[06:52] (wastrel/#ubuntu) why not just follow the howtos rather than trust a "use at your own risk" script
[06:53] (Kawaii-Panda/#ubuntu) anyone want to brainstorm new features for edgy +2, go to #ubuntu+2. thank you for listening to my (spammy) message. have a nice day.
[06:53] (Born_In_Xixax/#ubuntu) I assume it's all been debated
[06:53] (Kawaii-Panda/#ubuntu) theres so little people there.
[06:53] (Born_In_Xixax/#ubuntu) :)
[06:53] (ianmacgregor/#ubuntu) wastrel: That's been my question for quite a while
[06:53] (amicrawle/#ubuntu) in a closed world your computer in a box can't see out of the box! Only what they want you to see!
[06:53] (CientificoLoco/#ubuntu) somebody can help me to install the new version of firefox on my laptop
[06:53] <ictoanthbty> are there torrents of edgy yet?
[06:54] (Born_In_Xixax/#ubuntu) for me it's far easier, saves many hours of frustrating reading/configuring
[06:54] (amicrawle/#ubuntu) dapper is the latests
[06:54] (Born_In_Xixax/#ubuntu) but yes, it's caused me problems too, and shouldn't be recommended on any system you're not willing to trash
[06:54] (Born_In_Xixax/#ubuntu) so, no more will be spoken
[06:54] (CientificoLoco/#ubuntu) somebody can help me to install the new version of firefox on my laptop
[06:54] <[SUDO] Tux> join /#sudo
[06:54] (globe/#ubuntu) can ubuntu install osx programs?
[06:54] (amicrawle/#ubuntu) yes
[06:55] <amicrawle> sudo apt-get upgrade firefox
[06:55] <Fujitsu> globe: Ubuntu != OS X
[06:55] <barnetod> sup guys
[06:55] <The_Jack_of_Club> when is firefox 2 gonna be in the repos?
[06:55] <jbroome> globe: no
[06:55] <barnetod> hey anyone know of a link for the official 6.10 release?
[06:55] <jbroome> there isn't one yet
[06:55] <The_Jack_of_Club> barnetod: not yet
[06:55] <barnetod> blarg lol
[06:55] <ArrenLex> Jack: In dapper? Never, since edgy comes out tomorrow. In edgy? It is already.
[06:55] <Autonomy> barnetod: nope! :p
[06:55] <amicrawle> i have 6.10
[06:56] <ictoanthbty> 6.10 rc?
[06:56] <phire_NZ> beta?
[06:56] <barnetod> i downloaded release candidate last night
[06:56] <|thunder> EDGY !   TOMORROW ??!?
[06:56] <|thunder> YES
[06:56] <GhostFreeman> when is 6.10 coming out?
[06:56] <Autonomy> amicrawl? what... RC! ???
[06:56] <rredd4> amicrawle  rc>
[06:56] <The_Jack_of_Club> oh thats cool
[06:56] <barnetod> today :)
[06:56] <rredd4> ?
[06:56] <ictoanthbty> edgy comes out today :/
[06:56] <GhostFreeman> !edgy
[06:56] <ictoanthbty> within 12 hours
[06:56] <globe> jbroome: thx
[06:56] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[06:56] <ArrenLex> The 26th.
[06:56] <tj__> barnetod: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/EdgyReleaseCandidate?highlight=%28release%29%7C%28edgy%29 (thats the best i've found)
[06:56] <GhostFreeman> !schedule
[06:56] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[06:56] <ArrenLex> Whether that's tomorrow or today depends on your timezone.
[06:56] <Tatey> must be getting close to release
[06:56] <adhoc_> !cifs
[06:56] <ictoanthbty> today damnit
[06:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cifs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:56] <ictoanthbty> thats why i think there should be torrents alreay :/
[06:56] <kismet_> ATI Driver question: is the 'ati' driver okay for use with Xgl/Beryl, or do I need the 'fglrx'?
[06:56] <gnubie> !schedule
[06:56] <Fujitsu> Tatey: Why?
[06:56] <ArrenLex> ksimet: you need fglrx. ati offers no 3D acceleration.
[06:56] <The_Jack_of_Club> its tomarrow in 4 minutes here
[06:57] <barnetod> im loading my first copy of ubuntu when 6.10 comes out
[06:57] <amicrawle> got in in linuxformat lat month
[06:57] <barnetod> been runnign two dogs
[06:57] <The_Jack_of_Club> so my guess is tomarrow :P
[06:57] <ictoanthbty> i tried just visiting the 6.10 ftp pages instead of 6.06, but theyre still on RC
[06:57] <Tatey> Fujitsu: the ubuntu.com home page has been upated
[06:57] <rebelfallen> I just entered the specs directly into xorg.conf and it still displays the OUT OF SCAN RANGE error
[06:57] <CientificoLoco> somebody can help me to install the new version of firefox on my laptop
[06:57] <amicrawle> sudo apt-get upgrade firefox
[06:57] <ictoanthbty> yea about ubuntu page being updated,
[06:57] <amicrawle> sudo apt-get upgrade firefox
[06:57] <amicrawle> sudo apt-get upgrade firefox
[06:57] <ictoanthbty> does that mean theyre about to announce its released?
[06:57] <barnetod> it did get announced
[06:57] <barnetod> ubuntu.com
[06:58] <jmworx> Anyone else has got gnome applets crashing all the time?
[06:58] <ictoanthbty> fantastic, you are
[06:58] <kismet_> ArrenLex: there seems 2 ways to get fglrx, one is from ATI.com, any suggestion?
[06:58] <ictoanthbty> where is it then
[06:58] <barnetod> not uploaded
[06:58] <Tatey> mirrors aren't linked yet
[06:58] <ictoanthbty> there you go, not released :/
[06:58] <Fujitsu> It didn't get announced. The website got updated prematurely.
[06:58] <barnetod> all the stoner gotta wake up and put on their college servers
[06:58] <ArrenLex> kismet: use the one from the ubuntu repositories. It's so much easier.
[06:58] <ArrenLex> !ati
[06:58] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:58] <Fujitsu> There's no announcement.
[06:59] <barnetod> hey guys what are some tips to look for as far as first install
[06:59] <ictoanthbty> tips?
[06:59] <barnetod> ive already read about possible wireless issues
[06:59] <ArrenLex> barnetod: if the livecd boots fine you're set =)
[06:59] <kismet_> Thanks, ArrenLex!
[06:59] <tj__> get swiftfox, makes life easier
[06:59] <barnetod> good to hear arren :)
[06:59] <phlosten-lunch> barnetod: unlearn every about windows
[06:59] <phlosten-lunch> everything
[06:59] <barnetod> phlosten i only use windows at work
[06:59] <barnetod> been using yellowdog
[06:59] <ArrenLex> tj: swiftfox = firefox + compiler optimisations - GPL + proprietary license
[06:59] <ArrenLex> What's so great about that?
[06:59] <jbroome> math is hard
[07:00] <wastrel> yup
[07:00] <barnetod> jbroome what you working on?
[07:00] <RhiNo> ok i have ubuntu recognising in device manager that i indeed have my wireless card installed but i cannot connect to my wireless network anyone able to help?
[07:00] <wastrel> jbroome & barbie agree
[07:00] <ictoanthbty> ArrenLex any imporvements in swiftfox?
[07:00] <azureal> if i do 'aptitude update', will that change my apt-cache search results?
[07:00] <brosnan> ArrenLex: you can't remove the gpl from the code
[07:00] <barnetod> phlosten if i forgot everything about windows i would be out of a job :)
[07:00] <The_Jack_of_Club> !wireless
[07:00] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:01] <tj__> arrenlex: it is just nice to have a slightly faster browser :b
[07:01] <ArrenLex> ictonathbty: No. You will not get nothing noticeable. I suppose you could recompile the whole gecko engine with optimisations, and maybe get a tenth of a second speed increase, but if so why aren't you running gentoo?
[07:01] <Madpilot> brosnan, Firefox is multi-lic, actually
[07:01] <ictoanthbty> fully :P:
[07:01] <RhiNo> yea the wifi howto dont workw ortha poop
[07:01] <tj__> wireless >> network-manager-gnome
[07:01] <phire_NZ> 6.10 been released?
[07:01] <wastrel> firefox has some copyrighted artwork and some standard non-oss extensions
[07:01] <barnetod> should i even try to dual boot my laptop?
[07:01] <brosnan> Madpilot: I am well aware of that, it is tri lic MPL, GPL, LPGL
[07:01] <wastrel> hence the iceweasel thing
[07:01] <ictoanthbty> i wanna have 6.10 before tomorrow so i have time to install and play before work :/
[07:01] <phire_NZ> website updated
[07:02] <ArrenLex> brosnan: that is correct, swiftfox licenses the source under the same license mozilla does; it has to. The binaries are proprietary, however.
[07:02] <rredd4> amicrawle  when you installed edgy, did it tell you that you had to have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[07:02] <Fujitsu> phire_NZ: It's not been released, the website seems to have been updated prematurely.
[07:02] <phire_NZ> oh
[07:02] <wastrel> can we put a note about edgy not being released yet in the topic?
[07:02] <wastrel> in caps
[07:02] <ArrenLex> See? I quote: binaries provided by getswiftfox.com are not licensed MPL and therefore are not freely distributable.  The license to use Swiftfox extends to the user that              downloads Swiftfox from this web site.  No one may repackage or redistribute Swiftfox binaries in any form without prior permission.
[07:02] <The_Jack_of_Club> in my linux laptop i just put in my belkin wireless card and it worked right off and i couldnt get it to work in my windows laptop because it wouldnt use the drivers on the cd
[07:02] <ArrenLex> (that's from their site)
[07:02] <ictoanthbty> thanks ArrenLex
[07:02] <ictoanthbty> one wonders why theyd do that
[07:03] <Madpilot> ArrenLex, so what lic is it under, given that the only other two choices are GPL & LGPL?
[07:03] <ArrenLex> Madpilot: swiftbox binaries are distributed under their own non-free license. The source code is available under the MPL because it has to be.
[07:03] <ictoanthbty> or are they just plain ignoring OS licenses
[07:03] <babo> does anyone know how to convert this sting into utf8 ?
[07:03] <babo> =?euc-kr?B?RW1wbG95bWVudCBPcHBvcnR1bml0eV9QYXJrZW5nbGlzaF9UcmF2ZWwgJiBUZWFjaCBFb
[07:04] <ArrenLex> ictonathbty: the answer to that is on their site also:   Please also note that the licensing restrictions were put in place to safeguard Swiftfox users against the possibility of obtaining tainted versions from anyone who may wish to maliciously alter the binary and redistribute it.
[07:04] <Madpilot> ArrenLex, well, that bites.
[07:04] <rredd4> The_Jack_of_Club  thats great, i have a netgear and had to configure it with ndiswrapper.  took a while to learn how to do it..
[07:04] <The_Jack_of_Club> heh
[07:04] <rredd4> now its easy
[07:05] <The_Jack_of_Club> as long as it works i guess
[07:05] <rredd4> i have a lexmark printer, its a nightmare to config
[07:05] <barnetod> lol rredd try epson
[07:05] <Madpilot> rredd4, Lexmark are, they're best avoided.
[07:06] <barnetod> the propietary software to make it fully functional is a joke
[07:06] <|thunder> my epson installed over the network like a charm
[07:06] <ArrenLex> rredd4: lexmark is hit and miss. My laser printer runs with a single ppd file; my cheap colour inkjet doesn't run at all. Lexmark sucks.
[07:06] <phlosten-lunch> epson rock in linux
[07:06] <barnetod> thunder you have an all in one?
[07:06] <meso> looking for help getting my laptop to boot ubunto off of a USB-2 drive
[07:06] <The_Jack_of_Club> i have a canon printer that will connect but when it prints it comes out garbled
[07:06] <The_Jack_of_Club> i gave up trying with it
[07:06] <meso> it has usb as one of the boot options, and I have it ahead of the hard drive
[07:07] <|thunder> barnetod; cant remember the model. but its a regular injet with the memort stick/usb inputs for pictures.
[07:07] <barnetod> thunder mines an all in one
[07:07] <meso> I've tried all sorts of stuff, recommended by folks on this forum, and I can boot the ubuntu on the external drive but the boot itself is coming from the hard drive.
[07:07] <barnetod> and the required epson smart panel software kills me
[07:07] <meso> ANy ideas?
[07:07] <ictoanthbty> meso i dont know much about it, but have you loaded the proper image onto the thumb drive?
[07:07] <barnetod> sad thing is if you lose the cd you must purchase a new 80 dollar cd
[07:07] <barnetod> with one 5 meg program
[07:08] <|thunder> meso; sounds like the boot loader still has to be local
[07:08] <tj__> meso: make a linux partition on the drive?
[07:08] <meso> it isn't a thumb drive, it's a 60gb hard drive
[07:08] <rredd4> like linuxprinting.org says, lexmark is a paperweight.  and thats putting it nicely...
[07:08] <meso> how do I get the bootloader onto the external?
[07:08] <ictoanthbty> install to the drive?
[07:08] <ictoanthbty> thatll work nicely
[07:08] <meso> already did install to the drive about 20 tmes :-(
[07:08] <barnetod> this honestly has to be the most useful irc channel on earth
[07:09] <ictoanthbty> ubuntu has nice userbase
[07:09] <ToHellWithGA> barnetod: #latex is more beautiful
[07:09] <meso> it may be one of the ONL useful IRC channels :-)
[07:09] <ictoanthbty> (mostly :P)
[07:09] <barnetod> im glad im switching to it then
[07:09] <ictoanthbty> meso so the drive doesnt have boot preference, youre saying?
[07:10] <meso> the boot doesn't come from the drive, even when it has preference in the bios
[07:10] <exhale> what time is it in the USA now?
[07:10] <barnetod> 1:10
[07:10] <ictoanthbty> which part of the usa :P
[07:10] <barnetod> east coast
[07:10] <exhale> idk, central?
[07:10] <barnetod> 12:10
[07:10] <sivik> exhale, its 12:10 for me and i live in texas
[07:11] <ictoanthbty> wheres my goddamn torrents >.<
[07:11] <ianmacgregor> Wed Oct 25 22:10:59 PDT 2006
[07:11] <meso> I was only get it to boot at all by editing the main drive's grub menu file and adding it.
[07:11] <ictoanthbty> damn.
[07:11] <barnetod> ict what you looking for :)
[07:11] <ArrenLex> ictonathbty: what torrents are these?
[07:11] <ictoanthbty> ArrenLex i want edgy torrents
[07:11] <barnetod> i have a terrabyte of them lol
[07:11] <exhale> its edgy day today, no?
[07:11] <ictoanthbty> exhale yes
[07:11] <ArrenLex> ictonathbty: is apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade too good for you?
[07:11] <exhale> yay :D
[07:11] <ictoanthbty> meso is that not what you want?
[07:11] <ictoanthbty> ArrenLex its not good enough
[07:11] <meso> it's 2210 for me in AZ and 1910 for my brother in Hawaii
[07:12] <ictoanthbty> *running windows*
[07:12] <Flannel> !ef
[07:12] <ubotu> Edgy will be released around October 26th (*some* timezone) - we don't know at precisely what time of the day it will be finalized and published for download. Please be patient!
[07:12] <ArrenLex> Oh.
[07:12] <ArrenLex> Yeah, I guess not. xD
[07:12] <barnetod> ict i thought i was the only outsider
[07:12] <ictoanthbty> additionally
[07:12] <meso> icto - no, I'd like it to boot directly from the HD rather than relyingon the internal drive
[07:12] <ictoanthbty> i like clean upgrades
[07:12] <ictoanthbty> is that weird?
[07:12] <sivik> its 12:10 central
[07:12] <barnetod> no ict
[07:12] <ictoanthbty> i have no expereince with unclean ones under linux
[07:12] <sivik> ictoanthbty, no, its personal preference
[07:12] <ArrenLex> ictonathby: aptitude is pretty clean afaik.
[07:12] <barnetod> i will tell you first hand
[07:12] <exhale> ictoanthbty, no its perfectly healthy
[07:12] <sivik> ictoanthbty, its really not that hard
[07:13] <ArrenLex> ictonathbty: I'm going to say your name because everyone else is.
[07:13] <nailer> so...final out yet?
[07:13] <ictoanthbty> meso what happens if the main drive isnt there? ie nothing to boot from?
[07:13] <barnetod> if ubuntu is anything like siemens or bosch software then never upgrade :)
[07:13] <ictoanthbty> is the drive just totally ignored?
[07:13] <sivik> ictoanthbty, all you have to do is change the sources.list from dapper to edgy and then run apt-get/aptitude update & apt-get/aptitude dist-upgrade
[07:13] <ianmacgregor> ictoanthbty: I like to install from the cd because I tried that update && upgrade and it broke almost everything in my Ubuntu.
[07:13] <iovar> http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/releases.ubuntu.com/.pool/ubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso
[07:13] <iovar> http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/releases.ubuntu.com/.pool/ubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso
[07:13] <iovar> !
[07:13] <nailer> <3 iorek7
[07:13] <nailer> <3 iovar, ahem
[07:13] <sivik> iovar, is it already out?
[07:13] <nailer> tho iorek7 gets love oo
[07:13] <ictoanthbty> omg
[07:13] <nailer> just less
[07:13] <ictoanthbty> *dies*
[07:13] <GeeBee>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY
[07:13] <meso> icto, I don't know. I have a brand new laptop and reallyh don't want to void the warranty by pulling the internal drive.
[07:13] <barnetod> damn 3 meg/s good site :)
[07:13] <iovar> it's on the pool!
[07:14] <tj__> ianmacgregor: i found that just using gksudo "update-manager -c -d" worked fine
[07:14] <ictoanthbty> meso disconnect ide/sata and power?
[07:14] <nailer> someone topic it
[07:14] <meso> It looks, however, as if the drive is totally ignored - it's light doesn't blink (although the LED on it is not very good as disk lites go)
[07:14] <barnetod> meso i replaced my hard drive efore turning it on
[07:14] <meso> icto - this is a laptop
[07:14] <ictoanthbty> lol okay. i cant help you :(
[07:14] <barnetod> lol nailer
[07:14] <sivik> meso- then take it back to where you bought it or call the company who made it and tell them it doesn't seem to be working
[07:14] <ictoanthbty> *downloading isos*
[07:14] <rredd4> tj__ did that ask you to install ubuntu-desktop
[07:14] <meso> good idea and I would have tried it, if I could
[07:14] <barnetod> hey guys how painful would it be to dual boot ubuntu and xp?
[07:14] <Fujitsu> barnetod: Not.
[07:15] <barnetod> good :)
[07:15] <sivik> barnetod, i do it on my desktop currently
 not at all! :p
[07:15] <ArrenLex> barnetod: it's super-easy. Just make sure to install XP first.
[07:15] <barnetod> i still need xp for something
[07:15] <meso> is there anyway I can verify that the bios indeed is not checking it?
[07:15] <tj__> rredd4: i ot the desktop version from it
[07:15] <sivik> barnetod, install xp and then linux
[07:15] <sivik> meso: do you see it in bios
[07:15] <Born_In_Xixax> if you xp needs are minimal, run it in vmware :)
[07:15] <meso> The BIOS claims to be able to boot from USB Flash, but perhaps the drive doesn't exactly emulate flash
[07:15] <rredd4> tj__ ot?
[07:15] <meso> I do not see it in the bios
[07:15] <tj__> *got
[07:15] <sivik> meso: maybe bios doesn't even see the drive
[07:15] <joincamp> does anyone use the engage dock?
[07:15] <ictoanthbty> yay malloc disk space on iso
[07:15] <meso> but both XP and Ubunto can use it
[07:15] <ictoanthbty> delicious
[07:16] <sivik> meso, then there is a problem
[07:16] <rredd4> ok
[07:16] <rawrness> The Ubuntu site is now showing Edgy!
[07:16] <ictoanthbty> i wasnt aware there was vmware for linux :S
[07:16] <ArrenLex> meso: it's called ubuntu. Explain to me how you managed to join this channel without knowing that.
[07:16] <ArrenLex> ictonathbty: of course there is. And it's beer-free.
[07:16] <AdamKili> how do i change the default torrent manager to Azureus?
[07:16] <meso> I suspect that perhaps the bios doesn't see it, but if that's so, why does it claim to boot from pen drives? I guess maybe I should build something on a pen drive and try. Anyone know a handy distribution
[07:16] <barnetod> the barnetod is now downloading edgy! :)
[07:17] <ictoanthbty> ArrenLex couldnt just using vmware as a kind of layer fix all the issues with wine/cedega?
[07:17] <|thunder> AdamKili; ive been trying to figure that out for months
[07:17] <ictoanthbty> or am i thinking like a douche
[07:17] <barnetod> i hope iovar this isn't the RC
[07:17] <Kawaii-Panda> my synaptic slowed down from 48kbps to 6kbps
[07:17] <meso> ArrenLex - what's your problem?
[07:17] <rawrness> But don't have the offical release isos up yet....
[07:17] <sivik> Kawaii-Panda, thats cause everyone and their mother is probably downloading stuff
[07:17] <ArrenLex> ictonathbty: yes, running a complete emulated operating system will probably solve emulation issues. However, it's really not what the wine project aims to achieve.
[07:17] <AdamKili> great.................................
[07:17] <ictoanthbty> :P
[07:17] <ictoanthbty> bah
[07:18] <ictoanthbty> its a quick fix
[07:18] <ictoanthbty> and could work, but i dont know how
[07:18] <ictoanthbty> if i knew these things id try to make it
[07:18] <ArrenLex> Make what?
[07:18] <ictoanthbty> and then be like 'everything windows runs in linux'
[07:18] <BHSPitLappy> barnetod, from what source?
[07:18] <BHSPitLappy> rawrness, nuh uh
[07:18] <barnetod> iovar posted it i hope it isnt the RC
[07:18] <ictoanthbty> mmm 104 kb down
[07:18] <rawrness> > BS
[07:18] <AdamKili> | thunder: are u joking?
[07:18] <rawrness> ?
[07:18] <barnetod> one sec bhsp
[07:19] <barnetod> http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/releases.ubuntu.com/.pool/ubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso
[07:19] <ictoanthbty> lolololol
[07:19] <exhale> lmao
[07:19] <sivik> oh wait, is there really anything that windows can run that is linux?
[07:19] <FunnyLookinHat> Please stop posting links....   Most of these are not linked as official because they are NOT the release, they are just the RC.
[07:19] <ictoanthbty> all the rcs are called ubuntu-6.10-rc-desktop-i286.iso so this isnt rc
[07:19] <ArrenLex> sivik: cygwin?
[07:19] <globe> is there a way to turn up the volume of flashplayer?  my system vol has to be cranked to hear anything from it
[07:19] <BHSPitLappy> barnetod, why use the mirror site
[07:19] <BHSPitLappy> http://releases.ubuntu.com/.pool/
[07:20] <meso> barnetod - the ubuntu desktop is what i installed. Can I install it to Flash? Flash is usually pretty tricky
[07:20] <mnepton> sivik: OpenOffice? Firefox? The GIMP?
[07:20] <AdamKili> |thunder: are you joking?
[07:20] <globe> sivik: putty?
[07:20] <sivik> thats only cause they have a version of cygwin that is compiled as windows
[07:20] <barnetod> lol i followed the first link bhsp
[07:20] <theloner> Could someone PM me, I'm having trouble installing Ubuntu on my PC
[07:20] <barnetod> :)
[07:20] <barnetod> im downloading a meg a sec
[07:20] <barnetod> so im not complaining
[07:20] <Fujitsu> barnetod: To install flash, install the flashplugin-nonfree package.
[07:20] <Nafallo> guess what folks. the release manager who will do the release is still asleep.
[07:20] <ArrenLex> theloner: just ask; chances are someone will be able to help you.
[07:20] <ictoanthbty> excellent
[07:20] <Fujitsu> Oops, that should have been to meso ^^
[07:20] <ictoanthbty> i wish i had that kind of connection :(
[07:20] <ubuntu> any 6.10 torrent up yet?
[07:20] <barnetod> ict i had to fight my isp
[07:20] <live> hi
[07:20] <barnetod> i took them to court
[07:21] <ianmacgregor> BHSPitLappy: That link you posted are release candidates.
[07:21] <Fujitsu> ubuntu, it hasn't been released yet.
[07:21] <ictoanthbty> ubuntu no torrents
[07:21] <crass> the network manager always tells me that there is no netowrk connection for wireless, does anyone else get this?
[07:21] <ictoanthbty> barnetod lol
[07:21] <barnetod> im serious
[07:21] <meso> Fujitsu... that will let me install the desktop onto the flash?
[07:21] <BHSPitLappy> ianmacgregor, scroll down further
[07:21] <sivik> crass, my wireless never works
[07:21] <barnetod> i was paying for 10meg/sec service
[07:21] <Fujitsu> meso, oh, on a flash drive?
[07:21] <yitzle> Busy in here!
[07:21] <barnetod> and they wouldnt come out and fix the line noise
[07:21] <barnetod> so i couldn't get into my work domain
[07:21] <Fujitsu> crass, ensure that your wireless card isn't reference in /etc/network/interfaces.
[07:21] <crass> sivik: I've gotten wireless to work fine, but not with network manager
[07:21] <ianmacgregor> BHSPitLappy: Look at the end of each 6.10 line.. it says "Release Candidate"
[07:21] <barnetod> and i called 80 times
[07:21] <ictoanthbty> barnetod lol you got pwnd :(
[07:21] <bdragonmsl_> funny thing, the main page of ubuntu shows 6.10 though.  But to download it they have only 6.06
[07:21] <sivik> crass, that must be nice
[07:21] <CheekyBoinc> Good Morning
[07:21] <barnetod> for service tech
[07:22] <barnetod> now i et free internet
[07:22] <BHSPitLappy> ianmacgregor, not the file names
[07:22] <crass> sivik: you need some help?
[07:22] <barnetod> and had money returned
[07:22] <barnetod> lol
[07:22] <barnetod> for 12 monthes
[07:22] <ArrenLex> bdragonmsl: this is called the Macromedia Flash effect.
[07:22] <sivik> bdragonmsl_, 6.10 will be out within the next day or so
[07:22] <ictoanthbty> excellent xD
[07:22] <sivik> Macromedia doesn't exsist anymore, its adobe
[07:22] <BHSPitLappy> ianmacgregor, and the ones without "rc" in the file names, are just a few hours old
[07:22] <barnetod> ict i would shut down a production line
[07:22] <barnetod> at work
[07:22] <crass> Fujitsu: it is in there
[07:22] <meso> Fujitsu... what I really want to do is boot ubuntu from my external USB2 HD, but there is the suggestion that the bios isn't seeing it, and I am just looking for a way to diagnose the problem without having to dig all the way down into the low levels of the boot process - which would take days of time that I don't have
[07:22] <barnetod> when i would dial in
[07:22] <barnetod> to monitor it
[07:22] <ArrenLex> I know. But until a few days ago, Macromedia was all that existed for us.
[07:22] <ictoanthbty> damn
[07:22] <theloner> Well, so I tried installing it/running it. I have the  Ubuntu 6.06 LTS.  I put the cd in a run it, and it unpacks and all (with the coloured logo, showing the tasks and "OK")  Afterward, the text is white as though it is a command prompt, and it laods some more things.. the nitty gritty things, like hardware.. I remmeber it saying "RAID " smoething.. "Enterprise Volume Manager"...   "Hardware Support" or something...  After that entire
[07:22] <ictoanthbty> it looks like the link is indeed an RC
[07:22] <bdragonmsl_> yeah, but it's still funy that they have what looks like their release page already made up
[07:22] <crass> Fujitsu: should I remove it?
[07:22] <sivik> ArrenLex, Macromedia got bought out a few months ago
[07:22] <Fujitsu> crass, remove it. That'll stop NetworkManager from working with it.
[07:22] <barnetod> is it ???
[07:22] <jbroome> wtg
[07:22] <sivik> crass: its broadcom
[07:23] <theloner> I'm not reallya  newb with computers. I've used Fedora barely before,
[07:23] <AdamKili> how do i change the default torrent manager to Azureus?
[07:23] <ArrenLex> sivik: I'm perfectly aware, I assure you.
[07:23] <anilomkar> is Ubuntu 6.10 is officially released?
[07:23] <BHSPitLappy> ictoanthbty, well, it's better than all those mirror links that are circulating
[07:23] <crass> sivik: do you have the kernel drivers for it>
[07:23] <ianmacgregor> BHSPitLappy: Oh well, doesn't matter to me, I"m staying on Dapper since it has support for 3 years.
[07:23] <ArrenLex> anilomkar: no.
[07:23] <Fujitsu> anilomkar: No.
[07:23] <mnepton> AdamKili: right-click a .torrent and choose Properties
[07:23] <Nafallo> anilomkar: no
[07:23] <bdragonmsl_> bet they are getting emails from loads of people saying they want it and that their site says 6.10 and there's no download
[07:23] <BHSPitLappy> ArrenLex, uhh, yeah... that's REALLY old news
[07:23] <AdamKili> oh ya that way i 4got
[07:24] <BHSPitLappy> macromedia's web site has redirected to adobe for months now
[07:24] <ArrenLex> ianmacgregor: support = bugfixes. Your packages will become ancient.
[07:24] <ubuntu> Ubuntu tem shouldnt upload this pic....http://www.ubuntu.com/Welcome?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=edgy-cover2.jpg
[07:24] <ArrenLex> BHSPitLappy: I. KNOW. THIS.
[07:24] <ictoanthbty> BHSPitLappy what? the link on .pool looks like RC
[07:24] <sivik> crass: yes, its natavely installed in anything later than 2.6.15 (ubuntu) and i have the newest firmware, but it never picks up wireless connections avaliable
[07:24] <Lam_> totem gives me a "could not determine type of stream" on my mp3 file.  mplayer and rythembox give similar errors.  mp3s work, but this collection of them doesn't seem to want to.  it is as if something stripped recognition from them
[07:24] <crass> Fujitsu: what creates thaqt file and why is it in there?  there is stuff for other interfaces too
[07:24] <ianmacgregor> ArrenLex: Fine with me.
[07:24] <Fujitsu> crass, remove the stuff about the wireless only.
[07:24] <jbroome> nice mullet on the guy @ 3 o'clock
[07:24] <BHSPitLappy> ArrenLex, did you hear they changed the name of Attack of the Show?
[07:24] <BHSPitLappy> s/of/to/
[07:24] <barnetod> well when adobe purchases macromedia i would hope it points to adobe :)
[07:24] <Fujitsu> crass, it may be created on installation, or through the network preferences tool.
[07:24] <ianmacgregor> ArrenLex: If it works, no need to fix it :)
[07:24] <meso> anyone here know the low level sequence of booting - how the bios knows if a storage device is bootable?
[07:24] <ArrenLex> VHSPitLappy: the name of what a what now?
[07:24] <ArrenLex> Lam_: I don't know. How about uploading one so we can see?
[07:24] <sivik> pm crass
[07:25] <crass> Fujitsu: does the network preferences tool not work with the network manager?
[07:25] <Fujitsu> crass, correct. If you use it with any interfaces, NetworkManager will ignore them.
[07:25] <ictoanthbty> meso perhaps youre better off looking for help elsewhere.. this is a ubuntu channel, not external drives :/
[07:25] <crass> sivik: have you done iwlist <iface> --scan in the presense of a network?
[07:25] <sivik> crass: yes
[07:25] <crass> Fujitsu: thanks, that's it
[07:26] <sivik> crass: it never picks up crap
[07:26] <sivik> crass, and the wireless is sitting like 18 inches from me
[07:26] <crass> sivik: are you sure its not a driver issue?
[07:26] <sivik> crass: yes i know, the driver is integrated in the kernel already
[07:26] <Lam_> ArrenLex: http://rapidshare.com/files/714166/101_-_Atb_Feat._Wild_Strawberries_-_Let_U_Go.mp3.html
[07:26] <Lam_> anyone else can have a crack at it too if they want
[07:26] <meso> icto... it is ubuntu I want on there, because I love ubuntu compared to other things. My drive is fine - it works with ubuntu and XP, it just doesn't boot ubuntu. I don't even know how to install XP to it without messing up my internal drive.
[07:26] <ictoanthbty> what is it?
[07:27] <hsingarajah> Would someone be able to assist me with my problem?  So I tried installing it/running it. I have the  Ubuntu 6.06 LTS.  I put the cd in a run it, and it unpacks and all (with the coloured logo, showing the tasks and "OK")  Afterward, the text is white as though it is a command prompt, and it laods some more things.. the nitty gritty things, like hardware.. I remmeber it saying "RAID " smoething.. "Enterprise Volume Manager"...   "Ha
[07:27] <hsingarajah> Thanks*!
[07:27] <sivik> meso: install windows first
[07:27] <ictoanthbty> meso my next question would have been can you get windows booting from it...
[07:27] <crass> sivik: just because its in the kernel doesn't mean it works with your model
[07:27] <spanglesontoast> how do I add the terminal on right click
[07:27] <ArrenLex> Wow. That was the hardest download I've ever started.
[07:27] <barnetod> wanna good laugh check this mess up out
[07:27] <barnetod> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16826140023
[07:27] <Lam_> lol yeah i know. i hate rapidshare.  it was the only one that could come to my head though
[07:27] <meso> icto - my drive is a 60GB passport - neat little thing about the size of a passport but 1/2 inch thick, and powered from the USB-2 port.
[07:27] <ictoanthbty> sendfile.com
[07:27] <barnetod> lam gigasize
[07:27] <hsingarajah> Rapid share is so limiited. I hate it: (
[07:27] <ictoanthbty> megadownload.com
[07:27] <sivik> crass: well, i have to download the firmware and put it in the /lib/firmware and the guys that made the bloody driver say it works for my card
[07:28] <barnetod> gigasize is great
[07:28] <sivik> bcm4318
[07:28] <crass> Fujitsu: didn't seem to do anything.  I made the file contain nothing, and restarted nm-applet
[07:28] <sivik> crass: its a bcm4318
[07:28] <ictoanthbty> meso yes thats a little irrelevant ^^
[07:28] <yitzle> @hsingarajah: Freezes?
[07:28] <Lam_> i'll remember those for future reference. thanks
[07:28] <meso> icto - yep!
[07:28] <hsingarajah> @yitzle YES
[07:28] <meso> icto - well, yes, but you asked
[07:28] <Fujitsu> crass, run killall NetworkManager, then sudo NetworkManager
[07:28] <hsingarajah> The UNDERSCORE, stops BLINKING
[07:28] <bimberi> spanglesontoast: install nautilus-open-terminal
[07:28] <Fujitsu> That'll restart it.
[07:28] <crass> sivik: deos dmesg say anything about it?
[07:28] <ictoanthbty> meso.. did i?
[07:28] <hsingarajah> WHOA THE MESSAGES ARE MOVING LIKE VWOOSH I CAN'T KEEP UP
[07:28] <Fujitsu> !caps
[07:28] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[07:28] <ictoanthbty> ohh lol that was directed at lam
[07:28] <sivik> crass: the only time it works, is when i do a fresh install of dapper, but as soon as i either update packages or dist-upgrade, it never works again
[07:28] <meso> yeah @ 22:26
[07:28] <ArrenLex> Lam_: checked it out in a hexeditor. That file is completely blank -- all zeros. Nothing's going to play that. =P
[07:29] <yitzle> Tech support needed!
[07:29] <sivik> hsingarajah, you can page up
[07:29] <barnetod> lam whats the mp3s of?
[07:29] <Lam_> oh wow. i guess i should have looked at the hex
[07:29] <hsingarajah> sivik, I'm sorry?
[07:29] <Lam_> it's all 0?
[07:29] <ictoanthbty> lol nothing apparently
[07:29] <Lam_> barnetod: vocal trance
[07:29] <sivik> hsingarajah, what are you sorry about?
[07:29] <meso> oh well
[07:29] <barnetod> what artist?
[07:29] <rawrness> Vwoosh!
[07:29] <ArrenLex> Lam_: yes.
[07:29] <Lam_> barnetod: random collection of artists.  nothing in particular
[07:30] <rawrness> Vwooshing at the pace of snails
[07:30] <ianmacgregor> Lam_: Is that really an Ubuntu issue?
[07:30] <ictoanthbty> i thought ubuntu was released on a dvd
[07:30] <barnetod> i have too much trance
[07:30] <Lam_> ArrenLex: thanks for the heads up. i guess i'll have to relook into that.
[07:30] <barnetod> lol
[07:30] <ictoanthbty> strange
[07:30] <hsingarajah> I mean, I beg your pardon? What do you mean by paging up? I'm reading through the chat, I know what's going on.
[07:30] <barnetod> im always looking for new stuff
[07:30] <Fujitsu> ictoanthbty: Both.
[07:30] <ArrenLex> Lam_: where did you get this mysterious blank file?
[07:30] <hsingarajah> Do you want me to read the previous messages posted?
[07:30] <meso> icgto, you can get it on dvd or cd
[07:30] <Lam_> ianmacgregor: it originally was, until i found out the mp3 itself was blank. :)
[07:30] <hsingarajah> erm sent?
[07:30] <barnetod> oink fills the hard drive quick
[07:30] <Lam_> ArrenLex: gftp into a friend's ftp server
[07:30] <ictoanthbty> Fujitsu what?
[07:30] <rawrness> dvd is sh hiney
[07:30] <Fujitsu> It is released on a CD and a DVD.
[07:30] <rawrness> it has both live and alt install
[07:30] <ictoanthbty> why would you need a dvd for it if it fits on cd
[07:31] <ArrenLex> Lam: did you borrow something from this "friend" and forget to return it? =P I think he may be ticked at you.
[07:31] <bdragonmsl_> what's the diff between the cd and dvd?
[07:31] <rawrness> dvd dos
[07:31] <ictoanthbty> oh right
[07:31] <ictoanthbty> kay ^^
[07:31] <SaLsIcHa> barnetod, How did you found that link?
[07:31] <Lam_> ArrenLex: lol no. nothing of the sort. it might be some configuration setting or some shit.  i'm not entirely sure
[07:31] <bdragonmsl_> nm
[07:31] <barnetod> sal someone posted it in here
[07:31] <barnetod> i hope it isnt a renamed rc
[07:31] <Lam_> ArrenLex: plus, 40kb/s for 24 hours isn't really pleasant for anyone, ticked off or not ;)
[07:31] <ictoanthbty> it looks like it might be
[07:31] <meso> if it's like debian, the DVD has lots of packages on it (debian has a 2 DVD set that I tried)
[07:31] <ArrenLex> Ow.
[07:31] <ictoanthbty> but its small anyway
[07:31] <barnetod> ict i hope not
[07:31] <barnetod> ill be pretty pissed
[07:31] <hsingarajah> Is there a forum dedicated to tech support?
[07:32] <ictoanthbty> barnetod take a look at http://releases.ubuntu.com/.pool/
[07:32] <mnepton> there have been changes between RC and Final
[07:32] <hsingarajah> Or is this like just the general chat channel?
[07:32] <ictoanthbty> scroll down to the one youre downlolading
[07:32] <chylli> I cann't input chinese in emacs by fcitx under xubuntu 6.10
[07:32] <ictoanthbty> check out the description text
[07:32] <ArrenLex> hsingarlaskflksdgla: this is it, sorry. =P
[07:32] <Lam_> ArrenLex: but yeah. thanks for that catch. i guess i should have tried a hex editor when i realized it was missing codec information
[07:32] <Flannel> hsingarajah: this is the support channel, general chatting happens in #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:32] <meso> hsingarajah - I have found tech support here every time I tried
[07:32] <hsingarajah> Ah I see,
[07:33] <ArrenLex> Lam_: "file" is your all-purpose something-is-wrong detector. I ran file on it and it said "data". That was my flag.
[07:33] <hsingarajah> I ran that thing that does checksums on all the files of the cd, and it's fine.
[07:33] <barnetod> well file description says rc
[07:33] <barnetod> hmm
[07:33] <hsingarajah> PRognosis:.. My computer is retarded?
[07:33] <ictoanthbty> barnetod yeah
[07:33] <bob4444> hello does anyone know if theres any USB modem support in Ubunut Drapper 6.10??????
[07:33] <Lam_> ArrenLex: that's good to know.  i'll remember that. thanks a lot
[07:33] <ictoanthbty> barnetod im going to go with the desc being wrong
[07:33] <barnetod> me too
[07:33] <meso> well... I may just give up on the external boot problem, or try XP on it as a test. Thanks those who tried to help. g'nite
[07:33] <ictoanthbty> because FC is not in the filename
[07:33] <barnetod> lol and get it before the serves explode tomorrow
[07:33] <ictoanthbty> bye meso
[07:33] <barnetod> servers
[07:33] <hsingarajah> Bye Meso!
[07:33] <ictoanthbty> fully :P
[07:34] <ictoanthbty> but torrents should be up by then
[07:34] <meso> cia
[07:34] <barnetod> lol on public torrents
[07:34] <barnetod> i never use public torrents
[07:34] <hsingarajah> whomg he's part of the cia?! *sarcasm*
[07:34] <HeathenDan> j ubuntu-offtopic
[07:34] <HeathenDan> err
[07:34] <ictoanthbty> ... why?
[07:34] <barnetod> too much confusion
[07:34] <barnetod> lol
[07:34] <ictoanthbty> are you too good or something?
[07:34] <barnetod> no
[07:34] <hsingarajah> Am I going to get banned for making sarcastic comments like this
[07:34] <ictoanthbty> >.>
[07:34] <barnetod> i always get stuck at 99.9
[07:34] <rawrness> torrents are like the us postal
[07:34] <hsingarajah> In all seriousness I dont' want to get banned, I need help: (
[07:34] <rawrness> slow....
[07:34] <barnetod> ict you use oink?
[07:35] <ictoanthbty> barnetod oink?
[07:35] <barnetod> oh boy lol
[07:35] <ictoanthbty> brb gettin foods
[07:35] <barnetod> you got a decent ratio?
[07:35] <rawrness> !oink
[07:35] <barnetod> ill invite you to it
[07:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about oink - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:35] <ArrenLex> !meow
[07:35] <ArrenLex> :)
[07:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about meow - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:35] <rawrness> !anything
[07:35] <ianmacgregor> !botabuse
[07:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anything - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:35] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots  -  Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops... ;-)
[07:35] <rawrness> :)
[07:35] <Vich> is it possible to get digital audio working on ubuntu?
[07:35] <Vich> i.e. the spdif interface with ac97
[07:36] <barnetod> ict ill pm you
[07:36] <bob4444> hello does anyone know if theres any USB modem support in Ubunut Drapper 6.10??????
[07:36] <ictoanthbty> back
[07:36] <ictoanthbty> bob4444 what kind of modem
[07:36] <Fujitsu> bob4444: 6.06, you mean?
[07:36] <rawrness> i think you can get final in the release pool
[07:36] <hsingarajah> okay so do you suggest I just order more cds and see if they work?
[07:36] <bob4444> Dynalink AL800
[07:36] <bob4444> yeh
[07:37] <ArrenLex> hsingarakfdslkgj: what was your problem again?
[07:37] <rawrness> theres two images for the common thingy on says rc on it the otther not
[07:37] <bob4444> is there a ECIADSL driver for 6.06?
[07:37] <Rookie_> !adsl
[07:37] <ubotu> Setting up an ADSL/PPPoE connection? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ADSLPPPoE
[07:37] <ictoanthbty> there is indeed
[07:37] <rwscold> HEy anyone know when edgy the final release will come out?
[07:37] <bob4444> thanx
[07:37] <Vich> configure: error: this packages requires a curses library
[07:37] <ictoanthbty> ubuntu eciadsl package:
[07:37] <rawrness> today
[07:37] <Vich> what the hell is a curses library?
[07:37] <hsingarajah> ArrenLex - hsingaraJAH (almost got it, until you mashed the keyboard)  says , "I trid running/installing Ubuntu and it freezes"
[07:37] <ictoanthbty> http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/net/eciadsl
[07:38] <rawrness> it should come out today.
[07:38] <Vich> it's stopping me installing realtek drivers
[07:38] <barnetod> one to dont find in church vich
[07:38] <rwscold> i know today but anyone have a clue what time
[07:38] <ArrenLex> hsingarsdkfjsaljfgl: too many random letters = me mashing keyboard =P
[07:38] <rawrness> the site even says it came out today
[07:38] <Vich> lol
[07:38] <rwscold> ya
[07:38] <rawrness> even if its not out yet
[07:38] <Neil3> rwscold i'm as excited as you are
[07:38] <Vich> seriously I'm trying to install realtek audio drivers
[07:38] <Vich> since I use digital speakers
[07:38] <bob4444> how do I use the den files? same as RPM?
[07:38] <rawrness> is staying on till release.......
[07:38] <Vich> but the install script halts and complaines about the curses libraru
[07:38] <wastrel> Vich:  install  libncurses5-dev
[07:38] <Vich> *library
[07:38] <ArrenLex> hsing -- can I call you fhqwhgads? -- what do you mean, froze?
[07:38] <Neil3> i have to go to work in an hour and a half
[07:38] <Vich> ah
[07:39] <rwscold> neil3 lol I was hoping for a midnight release or something for me lol
[07:39] <Vich> thanks wastrel
[07:39] <Vich> I tried a few
[07:39] <hsingarajah> ArrenLex - dude you should see some of the names of other Tamil/South Indian people I know.  "Sarabavanarajakumar" etc.
[07:39] <rawrness> fhaqwhgads!!!!!!!
[07:39] <Neil3> yeah rwscold, but that's never happened in the past :(
[07:39] <wastrel> everybody to the limit
[07:39] <hsingarajah> Push it to the limitt duh, duh duh du duh
[07:39] <barnetod> man torrents are great
[07:39] <hsingarajah> Walk along the razor's edge.
[07:39] <barnetod> i just got complete car diagnostic software :)
[07:39] <hsingarajah> do do do do *scarface theme*
[07:39] <rwscold> agreed neil3
[07:39] <ArrenLex> fhqwhgads: no, really. "froze"? At what point? Did it give you error messages?
[07:40] <hsingarajah> No error messages
[07:40] <Vich> here I go again
[07:40] <Vich> wish me luck
[07:40] <wastrel> gl
[07:40] <ArrenLex> fhqwhgads: froze at what point? The livecd or an installation
[07:40] <rwscold> i wonder if its coming with the flash 9 beta
[07:40] <novo> hi everybody
[07:40] <ArrenLex> Whoa, el spanisho.
[07:40] <tzadikim> can anyone point me in the right direction to a guide on setting up dual booting on a windows xp dominated computer? im about as noob as they come right now and havent been able to make a lot from what i've found, so be gentle
[07:40] <hobbes_> it doesnt come with any flash
[07:40] <Fujitsu> rwscold: Nol
[07:40] <Fujitsu> *No
[07:40] <seatouch> Setting up repositories
[07:40] <hobbes_> its easy tzadikim
[07:40] <Vich> tkzdikim
[07:40] <seatouch> core                                                                 [1/3]
[07:40] <seatouch> Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: core
[07:40] <seatouch> Error: Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: core
[07:40] <Madpilot> ubotu, dualboot | tzadikim
[07:40] <Fujitsu> hobbes_: it has a package of Flash...
[07:40] <ubotu> tzadikim: Dual boot instructions:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo (x86/AMD64)  -  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot (Macintosh)
[07:40] <Nafallo> rwscold: won't. beta is not considered stable at this point.
[07:40] <Vich> just use seperate partitions
[07:40] <hsingarajah> ArrenLex, it just unpacked, loaded those utitlities like the RAid something... and "Enterprize Volume Manager", all of them said [OK] , then after the screen cleared, it froze. The "_" underscore stopped blinking and after a few minutes my CD drive stopped spinning
[07:41] <ArrenLex> tzadikim: just install XP first. Then, when you install ubuntu, it'll set you up to dual-boot automagically.
[07:41] <wastrel> ooooh
[07:41] <novo> Has anybody used eclipse?
[07:41] <wastrel> that is special
[07:41] <Vich> yes novo
[07:41] <Vich> I have
[07:41] <ArrenLex> fhqwhgads: the install or the livecd?
[07:41] <wastrel> ugly overloading pipe tho
[07:41] <Vich> if you mean the programming ide
[07:41] <hobbes_> Fujitsu: yea but thats still flash 7
[07:41] <bob4444> any one know how to use deb files?
[07:41] <Fujitsu> hobbes_: fortunately.
[07:41] <hsingarajah> ArrenLex - Are they not one and the same thign? The option i chose was "Run/Install Ubuntu"
[07:41] <Vich> I have dual boot with winxp
[07:41] <rwscold> cause flash 7 is stable haha
[07:41] <Vich> bob4444: dpkg
[07:41] <tzadikim> wow, ok, i think i've made this way more complicated than it is
[07:41] <Fujitsu> bob4444: What is in them?
[07:41] <novo> Vich: yes
[07:41] <rawrness> Songbird is going to be tight in te future!
[07:41] <tzadikim> thanks a lot everybody
[07:41] <Vich> dpkg -i filename.deb
[07:42] <bob4444> Ecidsl
[07:42] <hobbes_> Fujitsu: forutnately?
[07:42] <tzadikim> :-)
[07:42] <hsingarajah> Take care tzadikim!
[07:42] <rwscold> tzadikim its very easy if u just install windows first
[07:42] <Fujitsu> bob4444: sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[07:42] <ArrenLex> fhqwhgads: yes, for a desktop CD they are essentially the same thing. Is anything weird about your hard drive? Do you have RAID or LVM, for example?
[07:42] <Fujitsu> hobbes_: Yes, Flash 9 crashes enormously.
[07:42] <hobbes_> hmm... I think it's crashed maybe once for me
[07:42] <Tatey> Flash9 behaves nicely here
[07:42] <Fujitsu> Tatey: Not always.
[07:42] <rwscold> i havent installed it
[07:43] <hsingarajah> ArrenLex - no ntohing.    I partitioned it for NTSC and for Linux3...
[07:43] <rwscold> i have torn my current dapper install to pieces lol
[07:43] <Tatey> I haven't encountered any issues so far
[07:43] <Fujitsu> And it is pre-release, unsupportable software. Exactly what we do not want to have included.
[07:43] <hobbes_> and it at least has working sound (most common usage for 9 has to be youtube, etc.)
[07:43] <Fujitsu> hsingarajah: NTFS, you mean?
[07:43] <ArrenLex> XD How did you manage to partition a drive in NTSC?
[07:43] <novo> Had you installed eclipse programming ide?
[07:43] <Fujitsu> And ext4?
[07:43] <rwscold> so i am waiting for edgy
[07:43] <hsingarajah> Right sorry typo
[07:43] <Fujitsu> hobbes_: Sound works with Flash 7 as well.
[07:43] <hobbes_> not for me
[07:43] <rwscold> sometimes
[07:43] <crimsun> but flash 9 beta is *shiny*!!
[07:43] <phire_NZ> nope
[07:43] <hobbes_> and i tried some of those workarounds
[07:43] <hobbes_> no luck
[07:43] <elkbuntu> rwscold, many people are. if you want idle chatter, #ubuntu-offtopic is an ideal place
[07:43] <sami> its here.. i'm downloading edgy right now. i cant wait
[07:43] <hsingarajah> OMGZ, I can't type.
[07:43] <Nafallo> crimsun: hehe :-)
[07:44] <Nafallo> we should just have went with reiserfs4 as default filesystem ;-)
[07:44] <rwscold> ummm are you serious look at the 10 other ppl just rambling
[07:44] <ictoanthbty> i want to know
[07:44] <ArrenLex> hsingarajah: if the space is free, how about trying to just install it from an alternate CD (basic server) and running apt-get install ubuntu-desktop once it installs?
[07:44] <ictoanthbty> why developers dont release fs drivers for windows
[07:44] <hsingarajah> ArrenLex - anyway so I had Grub Installed on my MBR of the slave drive, but windows crashed so I had to reinstall it. Afterwards It woudln't run Grub anymore. my linux partition is still there, ut I can't access it. This is why I want to install Ubuntu..
[07:44] <ictoanthbty> so we can have native read/write support for ext3 and the like
[07:44] <ictoanthbty> in windows.
[07:44] <hsingarajah> - Well rather, my friend told me to put Ubuntu instead of Fedora
[07:45] <ArrenLex> Oh crap! I actually used your name!
[07:45] <Fujitsu> ictoanthbty: there is one...
[07:45] <ArrenLex> What was I thinking?!
[07:45] <ianmacgregor> Nafallo: Nah, that file system has too much overhead.. what with the dead bodies and all
[07:45] <ArrenLex> fhqwhgads *** , sorry.
[07:45] <hsingarajah> LOLLERCOPTERS
[07:45] <Nafallo> sami: well, I hope you don't think you are downloading the final ;-)
[07:45] <Nafallo> ianmacgregor: hehe :-)
[07:45] <ictoanthbty> Fujitsu all ive seen is a bad application that can read from ext3
[07:45] <hsingarajah> ArrenLx -" if the space is free, how about trying to just install it from an alternate CD (basic server) and running apt-get install ubuntu-desktop once it installs?" Could you explain that again?
[07:45] <ArrenLex> ictonathbty: do you mean, why do developers not release ext3 filesystem drivers for windows? Because the answer to that is, they do.
[07:45] <Nafallo> ianmacgregor: that's why I said it ;-)
[07:45] <ictoanthbty> oh lol ianmacgregor
[07:46] <ictoanthbty> ArrenLex damn. where? ;_;
[07:46] <sami> jep.. i think so. its there=> http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/releases.ubuntu.com/.pool/
[07:46] <ArrenLex> !ext3
[07:46] <ubotu> ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[07:46] <ictoanthbty> omfg.
[07:46] <ictoanthbty> thanks.
[07:46] <ArrenLex> Follow where the great Ubotu leads you, grasshopper =P
[07:46] <Nafallo> sami: it's not...
[07:46] <ictoanthbty> Nafallo.. check out the md5sums file
[07:46] <hsingarajah> !ext3
[07:46] <ubotu> ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[07:46] <RancidLM> hey all.. ok can some one tell me if this is even possible.. i have a desktop and a laptop.. and i would like to have my laptop be able to loginto  my desktop so i can share a Xserver and Applications is this possible or am i nutz?
[07:46] <ictoanthbty> although just being different doesnt mean complete...
[07:46] <Nafallo> ictoanthbty: dude... the final is probably not built yet...
[07:47] <ictoanthbty> but its not the rc renamed
[07:47] <Flannel> hsingarajah: the Alternate CD has an option to install just the basic, no GUI, installation, which you can then make exactly like the liveCD installer (or the default Alternate CD install) by installing ubuntu-desktop metapackage
[07:47] <ArrenLex> fhqwhgads: there are two cds from which to install ubuntu. Desktop = livecd ; alternate = text-based.
[07:47] <ictoanthbty> Nafallo of course it is
[07:47] <Nafallo> ictoanthbty: it's the md5sum for the latest daily.
[07:47] <ictoanthbty> it goes live today >.>
[07:47] <ArrenLex> fhqwhgads: since the livecd doesnt' seem to work for you, try installing from the other CD in text mode to get yourself a basic system.
[07:47] <xzhang> When can I download the release version?
[07:47] <Nafallo> ictoanthbty: yea, when they've most likely spun new isos :-)
[07:47] <hkl8324> 25th Daily build=RTM?
[07:47] <Flannel> xzhang: it isn't out yet
[07:47] <ArrenLex> fhqwhgads: Then, in your basic system, run sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop to get all the packages that are part of ubuntu.
[07:47] <Nafallo> xzhang: cause it's not created? :-)
[07:48] <hobbes_> joelroxors: hi
[07:48] <Flannel> ArrenLex, why doesn't he just install from the alternate CD?
[07:48] <ArrenLex> fhqwhgads: the alternate CD might install where some weird bug of the livecd failed.
[07:48] <xzhang> Flannel: oh~ er... How soon? :)
[07:48] <ArrenLex> Flannel: is this not what I am suggesting?
[07:48] <barnetod> ict file modified 25-oct-06 22:48
[07:48] <hsingarajah> ArrenLex - I see.. I didn't get two cds.  It says here  "To use Ubuntu as a Live CD, put this CD in the CD drive and turn on or restart your computer. To install Ubunti, run the LIve CD and double clock on the INstall Icon"...
[07:48] <Flannel> ArrenLex: Thought you were suggesting installing server from the alternate CD, then apt-getting the desktop
[07:48] <ictoanthbty> barnetod what are you saying?
[07:48] <hsingarajah> DO I have to get the atlernate cd?
[07:48] <ArrenLex> fhqwhgads: ideally, this would work. However, it screws up with your system for some reason, so you might as well try a different way.
[07:48] <barnetod> thats when the iso was edited
[07:49] <hsingarajah> I press Buttan , computar no GO
[07:49] <barnetod> last
[07:49] <SaLsIcHa> hum
[07:49] <ictoanthbty> yes and?
[07:49] <ArrenLex> Flannel: yes. Is this not what you and I are suggesting?
[07:49] <barnetod> i think its the real deal i hope
[07:49] <rwscold> i just wish there was a way for me to go to sleep and it would start downloading once it was released automatically
[07:49] <barnetod> lol too close to midnight haha
[07:49] <ictoanthbty> hsingarajah: press button, recieve bacon
[07:49] <fluvvell> RancidLM, yess fully possible
[07:49] <xzhang> rwscold: haha
[07:49] <hsingarajah> hah,
[07:49] <Flannel> ArrenLex: no, if he's got the alternate, just install the desktop from it, no need to go through the server install then apt get the desktop
[07:49] <ozzloy> the file sym.java doesn't exist, but when i make sym.java, it returns Nothing to be done for `sym.java'.  wtf?
[07:49] <RancidLM> fluvvell: any suggestions how to do this?
[07:49] <hsingarajah> Flannell - I dn't have the alternate.
[07:49] <hsingarajah> Flannel - Where do I get the alternate
[07:50] <ozzloy> how do i convince make that there is indeed something to do for sym.java?
[07:50] <Flannel> hsingarajah: I'm aware.  you download it from the ubuntu site, ubuntu.com/download  download the alternate ISO
[07:50] <fluvvell> RancidLM, its called XDMCP
[07:50] <ArrenLex> Flannel: you said "then make exactly like the liveCD installer (or the default Alternate CD install) by installing ubuntu-desktop metapackage." Isn't this what you are now saying is not necessary? I'm so confused.
[07:50] <Flannel> ArrenLex: I'll explain in a query
[07:50] <ozzloy> running the command to create sym.java by hand works.  and yes i know this isn't #make, but that channel is empty
[07:50] <xzhang> rwscold: where are you? it is afternoon in my country
[07:50] <hsingarajah> ArrenLEx - I must be e^(ArrenLex Confused)
[07:50] <fluvvell> RancidLM, you need to enable it under System->Administration->login
[07:50] <ictoanthbty> alright guys. the sensible argument about whether or not the .pool isos are official release needs to think about distrobution. the ubuntu project cant announce their release without many mirror servers already hosting the file, so arguments about this one being too early are iffy already. and then, why wouldnt they stick to their relase schedule? they always have, theres no reason not to, and .. thats all ive got.
[07:50] <ictoanthbty> im going now cause arguments frustate me
[07:50] <ictoanthbty> see you all on edgy@
[07:51] <rwscold> I'm in the U.S.
[07:51] <ArrenLex> fhqwhgads: you need to download the alternate CD. It is available from the same page as where you downloaded the desktop CD.
[07:51] <barnetod> lol ict
[07:51] <barnetod> see ya man
[07:51] <Neil3> they are probably real, the files are dated yesterday and different sizes to the rc isos
[07:51] <Nafallo> ictoanthbty: rc came out 20 in the evening UTF+2, mind you :-)
[07:51] <Nafallo> ictoanthbty: we have plenty of time to rebuild and push.
[07:51] <xzhang> rwscold: I am in China:)
[07:52] <rwscold> In Texas actually  haha its 1 in the morning here
[07:52] <ictoanthbty> nafallo are you actually on the project?
[07:52] <fluvvell> RancidLM, then on the machine (running Ubuntu I assume) that you want to login from, you go to System->quit->switch user, then at the new login screen, go to Options, and find XDMCP session
[07:52] <barnetod> im close to finishing the d/l
[07:52] <Nafallo> ictoanthbty: MOTU
[07:52] <ArrenLex> Neil3: are they real? ;););)
[07:52] <ictoanthbty> are you involved in the release?
[07:52] <ictoanthbty> motu.. ?
[07:52] <hsingarajah> OH
[07:52] <Nafallo> ictoanthbty: yes. I keep my eyes open for most thing in the project :-)
[07:52] <Neil3> well i might as well download and wait for the release then compare sha1sums
[07:52] <hsingarajah> I am so get it maybe sort of.
[07:52] <Fujitsu> ictoanthbty: Master of the Universe, with upload rights to the universe repository.
[07:52] <Nafallo> ictoanthbty: Master of the Universe.
[07:52] <ictoanthbty> neil3 good plan
[07:52] <kupesoft> when the eft isos be available?
[07:52] <ictoanthbty> bye all
[07:53] <hsingarajah> AllexRen - so this shipped cd is useless to me
[07:53] <hsingarajah> ?*
[07:53] <Nafallo> ictoanthbty: check my launchpad if you don't believe me, same nick as here ;-)
[07:53] <RancidLM> thnx brb!
[07:53] <Nafallo> but he's gone... :-P
[07:53] <fluvvell> RancidLM, you should find the other machine listed there.  To switch between the two, you will probably find ctrl-alt-f7 and ctrl-alt-f9 does the switching
[07:53] <Flannel> kupesoft: sometime within the next 26 hours, probably.
[07:53] <RancidLM> fluvvell: Thnx brb!
[07:53] <fluvvell> ok
[07:53] <ArrenLex> fhqwhgads: Yes, it appears so, since it won't install. Why don't you just download?
[07:53] <Neil3> so i can spend the weekend installing/configuring edgy, i'm seriously considering telling my gf some excuse so i don't have to stay at her's over the next few days which is what i usually do
[07:53] <hobbes_> dont really know why i am waiting so excitedly for like a 20 mb update to my latest daily cd :)
[07:53] <xzhang> anybody knows how soon we can see the release iso... :p
[07:53] <barnetod> neil wow
[07:53] <Flannel> !ef
[07:53] <ubotu> Edgy will be released around October 26th (*some* timezone) - we don't know at precisely what time of the day it will be finalized and published for download. Please be patient!
[07:53] <krazykit> Neil3: nah.  linux can wait.
[07:53] <Fujitsu> !ef
[07:53] <rwscold> Neil thats hilarious
[07:53] <fluvvell> !XDMCP
[07:53] <barnetod> giving up a woman for an o/s?
[07:53] <ArrenLex> Neil3: This is why Linux users should not be allowed girlfriends. I feel sorry for her.
[07:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about XDMCP - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:54] <barnetod> holy crap
[07:54] <hsingarajah> AllenRex - My friend just handed me this CD.  That's why. Otherwise I'd have just installed it.
[07:54] <Flannel> fluvvell: what you want to know about XDMCP?
[07:54] <ArrenLex> fhqwhgads: Then hand it back to him and download your own, I guess.
[07:54] <barnetod> man my wife waves it in my face and computers are the last thing im thinking
[07:54] <hsingarajah> Also who here has used Fedora Core and can tell me why Ubuntu is better than Fedora Core/Red Hat?
[07:54] <barnetod> good lordd
[07:54] <Neil3> a linux like this only comes once in a blue moon, i think i can make an exception :)
[07:54] <Nafallo> xzhang: well, we need an awake release manager for once ;-).
[07:54] <fluvvell> Flannel, see above conversation with RancidLM
[07:54] <barnetod> neil computer will always be around
[07:54] <xzhang> Nafallo: hah :)
[07:54] <barnetod> erectile function will not
[07:54] <barnetod> lol
[07:54] <krazykit> hsingarajah: easy.  apt-get is superior to yum
[07:54] <Neil3> hahaha
[07:54] <rwscold> I tell my wife to go to sleep I'm busy so she does
[07:54] <hobbes_> blue moon every six months?
[07:55] <barnetod> neil i make a point
[07:55] <barnetod> lol
[07:55] <hsingarajah> krazykit - You mean that package or program downloading thing thign
[07:55] <sproingie> carpe feminam.  your gf *will* know why you spurned her
[07:55] <Neil3> lucky i have a skin infection so that's my cover story for now, although it's clearing up
[07:55] <wastrel> blue moons occur about every 2.5 years
[07:55] <sproingie> on that note, 'nite
[07:55] <fluvvell> Flannel, I was curious if ubotu had anything as well. It works such a treat
[07:55] <krazykit> hsingarajah: yes.  i do.
[07:55] <rwscold> the way medicine is going these days we will be able to get it up into our late 80's
[07:55] <Flannel> fluvvell: ah, you already got all the info, good. right.
[07:55] <kupesoft> WHEN'S IT COMIN' OUT?!
[07:55] <kupesoft> I NEEDS IT
[07:55] <exhale> lol
[07:55] <wastrel> sometime today, or tomorrow
[07:55] <krazykit> kupesoft: within 24 hours
[07:55] <Born_In_Xixax> hsingarajah: main advantages I gather are that ubuntu is focused on ease of use and desktop usage, as well as providing a fully free open source solution
[07:55] <barnetod> lol rws but a leaky anus side effect is the last thing you want when curing that problem
[07:55] <hsingarajah> krazykit - great - keep talking!!  Daytime. Sometime. Patience.
[07:55] <hkl8324> hello, can I use xvmc in mplayer if I am using an ATI card?
[07:56] <rwscold> HAHA
[07:56] <kupesoft> I need the eft.  I need it. I need it.
[07:56] <krazykit> hsingarajah: nah.  i'm going to bed.
[07:56] <zircx> heya guys, hows it hanging, quick fire question, does anyone else suffer issues with java not operating properly, I mean sure i get the applet coming up when i test some sites and on others firefox crashes entirely, does anyone have this sorta problem at all?
[07:56] <ArrenLex> hklsomenumbers: what's xvmc?
[07:56] <Fujitsu> !ef | kupesoft
[07:56] <ubotu> kupesoft: Edgy will be released around October 26th (*some* timezone) - we don't know at precisely what time of the day it will be finalized and published for download. Please be patient!
[07:56] <Born_In_Xixax> redhat is goint to be superior in many ways, most of them technical and organizational
[07:56] <h3htimo> can you upgrade to edgy eft yet??
[07:56] <ArrenLex> zircx: are you trying to use sun java or gij?
[07:56] <hsingarajah> born_In_Xxax - So basically for people who are hardcore.
[07:56] <hkl8324> I cant play mpeg2 TS file in linux smoothly, but I can do that in windows...
[07:56] <Fujitsu> Born_In_Xixax: That is offtopic, and bordering on trolling...
[07:56] <zircx> ArrenLex; sun java is what I was using
[07:56] <lotusleaf> I've got the fever! and there's only one thing that can cure it.. MORE EDGY COWBELL!
[07:56] <zircx> ArrenLex; the virtual machine..
[07:57] <rwscold> Whats redhat hahaha!
[07:57] <hsingarajah> Born_In_Xixax - who's borderline trolling?
[07:57] <ArrenLex> hklnumbers: do you mean the xvideo output driver?
[07:57] <zircx> I believe there's 1.4.2 and 1.5.x
[07:57] <Kameli> Hi, Samsung offers CRT Monitor drivers for Windows, but do i need any drivers for Samsung 959NF CRT monitor?
[07:57] <rawrness> edgy edgy fever
[07:57] <Born_In_Xixax> ok, no desire to do so
[07:57] <rawrness> lalalalala
[07:57] <hsingarajah> Born_In_Xixax - me?
[07:57] <Kameli> llalalala
[07:57] <Kameli> Hi, Samsung offers CRT Monitor drivers for Windows, but do i need any drivers for Samsung 959NF CRT monitor?
[07:57] <exhale> Kameli, nu
[07:57] <krazykit> Kameli: no.  no drivers are needed.
[07:57] <exhale> no*
[07:57] <ArrenLex> Kameli: you don't need monitor drivers. You need video card drivers.
[07:57] <Kameli> krazykit: ok :)
[07:57] <hsingarajah> Born_In_Xixax - Are you under the impression that I'm troling?
[07:57] <Flannel> hsingarajah, Born_In_Xixax, take that question/answer in #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:57] <Madpilot> Kameli, you shouldn't need drivers; my Samsung 950B doesn't
[07:57] <Ayabara> how can I upgrade from dapper to edgy using apt?
[07:58] <exhale> Nafallo, on some fishy mirror site
[07:58] <exhale> :P
[07:58] <Nafallo> exhale: hehe
[07:58] <Fujitsu> Is feisty released yet? Is it usable?
[07:58] <upt1me> when will the mirrors get edgy?
[07:58] <rwscold> haha my monitor ismy home theater projector lol anyone else have a 90 inch monitor?
[07:58] <Fujitsu> Ayabara: #ubuntu+1, please.
[07:58] <Fujitsu> !ef
[07:58] <ubotu> Edgy will be released around October 26th (*some* timezone) - we don't know at precisely what time of the day it will be finalized and published for download. Please be patient!
[07:58] <zircx> also, hows everyone finding Kubuntu? I believe it's a version of Kde that is nice and trimmed down, compiled for speed? similar to that of Gnome under Ubuntu? yeah?
[07:58] <Born_In_Xixax> purpose of this channel is ubuntu technical support, a distro vs distro opinion fest is probably not appropropriate here
[07:58] <Flannel> upt1me: when it's officially released
[07:58] <Kameli> Madpilot: What they drivers can give to me? :) More options to adjust for my monitor? Better image quality? =)
[07:58] <hsingarajah> Flannel - no wait, I dont' get it - why do you think I'm trolling? I'm new to Ubuntu and want to know why it's better than another Distro.  It seems to be mroe popular,
[07:58] <krazykit> Fujitsu: feisty hasn't even started.  give it a few weeks.
[07:58] <hsingarajah> I just didn't know why.
[07:58] <hobbes_> anyone remember how long usually till they open new repos for feisty?
[07:58] <barnetod> rws you should see my home theater
[07:58] <hobbes_> after summit?
[07:58] <Ayabara> Fujitsu, still too early? :-)
[07:58] <Fujitsu> hobbes_: nobody can remember that, as it hasn't been decided yet.
[07:58] <ArrenLex> zircx: kubuntu = ubuntu - gnome + kde. It's not optimised.
[07:58] <Madpilot> Fujitsu, just keep hitting !ef
[07:58] <barnetod> rws you need to invest in screen goo best stuff on earth for projectors
[07:58] <Flannel> Born_In_Xixax, hsingarajah, Your topic is *perfect* for #ubuntu-offtopic, but not #ubuntu, continue there ;)
[07:59] <Fujitsu> Madpilot: It's the most useful factoid in the bot!
[07:59] <Kameli> hey, when the edgy comes to repos! =)
[07:59] <rwscold> barn where you from
[07:59] <rawrness> well arren
[07:59] <kupesoft> I need it. I really need it. Someone give it to me.
[07:59] <hkl8324> ArrenLex, I mean Xvideo Motion Compensation -vo
[07:59] <SaLsIcHa> hum
[07:59] <zircx> ArrenLex , oh it's just a standard kde heh? bummer, I was thinking that it might be.. ah well, I'm happy to stick to ubuntu without kde in that sense
[07:59] <Fujitsu> kupesoft: Wait a few hours.
[07:59] <SaLsIcHa> #define DISKNAME  Ubuntu 6.10 "Edgy Eft" - Release i386 o.o
[07:59] <rawrness> what if you got gnome+kde+xcfe?
[07:59] <kupesoft> I can't, man.  I am going to die.
[07:59] <rawrness> then what do you got :P
[07:59] <ArrenLex> zircx: kde owns all.
[07:59] <barnetod> rws middle of no where GA
[07:59] <SaLsIcHa> release = rc? :P
[07:59] <rawrness> releaae canadait
[07:59] <barnetod> only live here cause of work
[07:59] <hkl8324> I read in wikipedia it can speed up video playing
[07:59] <Flannel> SaLsIcHa: no.  It's not released yet.
[07:59] <ArrenLex> rawrness: ubuntu+gnome+kde+xfce = bloat = hard drive crashing
[07:59] <rwscold> barnetod make a room talk to me about home theaters
[08:00] <rwscold> what is the screen goo
[08:00] <rawrness> XD
[08:00] <zircx> ArrenLex; it's not when it's sucking 990 of my 1024MB of ram, I'll have an optimised Gnome any day of the week
[08:00] <Kameli> Does anyone know why CRT monitor needs drivers on Windows but not on Linux, can CRT drivers give more options to adjust monitor, or maybe better image quality? =)
[08:00] <SaLsIcHa> Flannel, but, http://releases.ubuntu.com/.pool/ :P
[08:00] <ArrenLex> zircx: gnome isn't optimised any more than kde is.
[08:00] <rwscold> the drivers in windows tell windows what its capable of displaying i think
[08:00] <Fujitsu> Kameli: because Windows is deranged, no, and no.
[08:00] <rwscold> like res and hz
[08:00] <Madpilot> Kameli, Windows needs drivers because Windows bites.
[08:00] <Flannel> SaLsIcHa: it's not released yet.
[08:00] <Nafallo> SaLsIcHa: oh! does it have feisty as well? :-)
[08:01] <Tomcat_> SaLsIcHa: Nice. ;)
[08:01] <yoink> lay off of feisty
[08:01] <barnetod> get the pm
[08:01] <rwscold> no do u have aim?
[08:01] <zircx> ArrenLex; I beg to differ in regards to what Ubuntu have done to make gnome much better than a standard gnome installation as well as a kde installation
[08:01] <barnetod> i pmd you on here
[08:01] <barnetod> :)
[08:01] <rwscold> i dont have a registered account on freenode so now pms
[08:01] <rwscold> lol
[08:01] <rwscold> too lazy
[08:01] <ArrenLex> zircx: which is? And what is a "standard" installation?
[08:01] <barnetod> mines not either lol guess i cant send them
[08:01] <AdamKili> how do i fix this error in Azureus when i try to open a .torrent file with it? file:///home/adam/Desktop/Downloads/1-20.torrent' could not be opened: Not a File
[08:01] <azureal> i love it...firefox2  =P
[08:02] <barnetod> #TheGoo :) try that
[08:02] <zircx> ArrenLex; I've run Gnome on Freebsd, it's a dog.. chews up my mem no different to Kde
[08:02] <barnetod> azu bad thing about firefox 2 is the annoying misspelled word red line that pops up
[08:02] <Kameli> Hey, tell me when they Edgy Eft comes to the repos? =) i like download edgy after school <3
[08:02] <Lam_> how do i open another server screen in xchat?
[08:02] <ArrenLex> barnetod: the spellchecker pwns you.
[08:02] <Fujitsu> !ef
[08:02] <ubotu> Edgy will be released around October 26th (*some* timezone) - we don't know at precisely what time of the day it will be finalized and published for download. Please be patient!
[08:02] <ArrenLex> ^B^B^B^Bowns
[08:02] <zircx> ArrenLex ; for some reason it doesn't do that with Ubuntu as well as Dropline Gnome for slackware, it seems to run much faster, optimised? compiled better possibly?
[08:02] <Nafallo> hmm, people really want to upgrade for some reason :-)
[08:03] <Lam_> edgy is amazing
[08:03] <ArrenLex> zircx: I've no idea. Try KDE if you want. If you really want something light and fast, try xfce?
[08:03] <lotusleaf> Lam_: I agree, and chicks dig it
[08:03] <bug> so should i wait to do the dist-upgrade/synaptic "mark all upgrades" then?
[08:03] <Nafallo> well, so is dapper :-)
[08:03] <Lam_> lotusleaf: hells yeah.
[08:03] <rawrness> Torvalds has commented on official GNOME developmental mailing lists that, in terms of desktop environments, he encourages users to switch to KDE [2] .
[08:03] <ArrenLex> Nafallo: This is all Linux users have to live for.
[08:03] <Kameli> Has edgy better performance? More FPS? =)))
[08:03] <Lam_> rawrness: everyone has their flavors.  i personally like kde though.  i think it's a lot more stable
[08:03] <bug> it has realtime weapon changing!
[08:03] <krazykit> rawrness: torvalds develops the kernel.  anything else he says is really no big deal.
[08:03] <Nafallo> Kameli: I've heard the opposite yesterday to be honest.
[08:04] <Madpilot> rawrness, just because he's a genuis doesn't mean Torvalds doesn't say some very silly things
[08:04] <stan> is ubuntu using the official firefox icon now rather than going with iceweasel?
[08:04] <zircx> ArrenLex; just out of curiousity, I was running Kde for 7 years before I changed to Gnome finding the differences... ?! I guess the question is, does it chew up alot of memory ?
[08:04] <Madpilot> rawrness, genius,even
[08:04] <Nafallo> stan: yes
[08:04] <Fujitsu> stan: We have approval from Mozilla to use the official one.
[08:04] <Fujitsu> (so yes)
[08:04] <bug> ah.. that's great
[08:04] <upt1me> http://releases.ubuntu.com/.pool/ubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso
[08:04] <ArrenLex> zircx: alex@ubuntu:/tmp$ cat /proc/meminfo
[08:04] <ArrenLex> MemTotal:      1033572 kB
[08:04] <ArrenLex> MemFree:         20100 kB
[08:04] <ArrenLex> You tell me.
[08:04] <mnepton> Fujitsu: less "approval" than "an agreement on procedure"
[08:04] <exhale> wow... just wow
[08:04] <zircx> I mean Gnome currently chewws 200-400MB of ram
[08:05] <krazykit> zircx: then use xfce.
[08:05] <Fujitsu> mnepton: They are fairly similar...
[08:05] <Nafallo> !ef | upt1me
[08:05] <ubotu> upt1me: Edgy will be released around October 26th (*some* timezone) - we don't know at precisely what time of the day it will be finalized and published for download. Please be patient!
[08:05] <ArrenLex> zircx: actually, that was with folding@home running and a zombie java vm left over.
[08:05] <zircx> krazykit; nah xfce isn't what I'd call a nice desktop
[08:05] <ArrenLex> MemFree:        132096 kB
[08:05] <ArrenLex> Much better.
[08:05] <krazykit> zircx: funny, i much prefer it over gnome.
[08:05] <bug> i prefer it
[08:05] <zircx> ArrenLex; that is pretty impressive
[08:05] <exhale> how do you see memory status?
[08:06] <mnepton> Fujitsu: yeah, but "approval" doesn't really get across that "we promise to have changes and patches approved by Moz" :/
[08:06] <InvisiblePinkUni> isn't edgy already out?
[08:06] <bug> to me, it seems like a faster gnome
[08:06] <zircx> krazykit; user preference I guess
[08:06] <krazykit> then again, i just use e17 for my desktop.
[08:06] <Madpilot> InvisiblePinkUni, not yet - cool nick, btw, too bad you can't get the full name in there ;)
[08:06] <bug> according to ubuntu.com, it is.. but all of the download links are for the release candidate
[08:06] <zircx> I haven't used Enlightemment since slackware 7.0
[08:06] <Nafallo> InvisiblePinkUni: nope
[08:06] <AdamKili> how do i fix this error in Azureus when i try to open a .torrent file with it? file:///home/adam/Desktop/Downloads/1-20.torrent' could not be opened: Not a File
[08:06] <mnepton> Fujitsu: but yeah, a one-time sign-off would be great. but they didn't bite.
[08:06] <Fujitsu> mnepton: Well, that's what I meant by approval, but I guess I can't really assume people outside the Canonical/dev. community know that.
[08:06] <bug> maybe you need to redownload the torrent?
[08:06] <InvisiblePinkUni> Madpilot: peace be unto her ;)
[08:07] <Fujitsu> bug, it hasn't been released yet.
[08:07] <mnepton> Fujitsu: oh, BTW. before you use my nick in public i'd like you to submit your tab-complete to me for approval, mmkay?
[08:07] <Madpilot> InvisiblePinkUni, right, and may you also be touched by His Noodly Appendage, ramen.
[08:07] <mnepton> :/
[08:07] <bug> Fujitsu, right.. that's what i'm saying. the page *says* that it has, but it hasn't really yet
[08:07] <Ayabara> what should my DISPLAY variable be set to. I get "cannot connect to X server :0.0" when I try to 'sudo gedit' something
[08:07] <Fujitsu> bug, the page says it is released today. It doesn't say it has been released.
[08:08] <bug> Fujitsu, ah.. semantics strike yet again
[08:08] <Fujitsu> (it is misleading, and really shouldn't have that image there, but still)
[08:08] <InvisiblePinkUni> Madpilot: why does the ubuntu homepage display 6.10 when the download is not yet available?
[08:08] <mnepton> bug: the website is misleading it is being handled.
[08:08] <Fujitsu> mnepton: Good :)
[08:08] <ArrenLex> InvisiblePinkUni: it's called the Adobe Flash Effect.
[08:08] <upt1me> the non-rc file is here http://releases.ubuntu.com/.pool/ubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso
[08:08] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: did someone make something dumb?
[08:08] <upt1me> the server is extremely slow
[08:08] <sacker_> ayabara gksudo gedit file i believe
[08:08] <bug> ehh i'm going to bed. i'll dl tomorrow
[08:09] <bug> have fun
[08:09] <Nafallo> upt1me: you're sure we won't respin the images for a last-moment rc-bugfix?
[08:09] <rawrness> gag how dare you diect link to th eio
[08:09] <Fujitsu> Nafallo: See ubuntu.com
[08:09] <khaije1> whats the release status?
[08:09] <Fujitsu> !ef
[08:09] <ubotu> Edgy will be released around October 26th (*some* timezone) - we don't know at precisely what time of the day it will be finalized and published for download. Please be patient!
[08:09] <rawrness> now my dwl go slower :P
[08:09] <zircx> does ubuntu have a large package repository for kde yet? because they were pretty much  native with gnome as a desktop weren't they
[08:09] <Madpilot> InvisiblePinkUni, no idea; webmaster jumped the gun, I guess
[08:10] <InvisiblePinkUni> ArrenLex: is that meant to be visible only after some particular time?
[08:10] <khaije1> Fujitsu: so not available, but still *technically* on schedule?
[08:10] <ArrenLex> zircx: Of course ubuntu has all kde packages.
[08:10] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: I would say no then :-). that's just promotion :-)
[08:10] <Flannel> zircx: no, both ubuntu and kubuntu are mature
[08:10] <wastrel> zircx:  ubuntu has kde packages and a kde-based version called kubuntu
[08:10] <Fujitsu> khaije1: Not just technically. Still very much on schedule.
[08:10] <fluvvell> is anyone having any joy with beagle ?
[08:10] <zircx> i see, Flannel that's nice to know..
[08:10] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: they should have put it up a week ago or something :-).
[08:10] <InvisiblePinkUni> Madpilot: lol
[08:10] <upt1me> if you look in that directory there are rc and non-rc images.  Also take note of the file modifcatiion dates.  i believe .pool/ is where the mirrors pull down the isos from
[08:11] <Ayabara> sacker_, that did the trick. thanks
[08:11] <Fujitsu> upt1me: That DOESN'T mean they're final.
[08:11] <mnepton> nothing in .pool has been designated a final release yet
[08:11] <zircx> OooO man i'm tempted to give that baby a run ...
[08:11] <khaije1> fluvvell: it's a little heavy for my little machine, but it's pleasant to use and usefull
[08:11] <Nafallo> upt1me: no, the mirrors doesn't even push from that mirror AFAIK
[08:11] <kubuntu> Can someone assist with a Mount issue?
[08:11] <fluvvell> khaijel, do you also use evolution email per chance?
[08:11] <crimsun> When it's final, trust me, the release team will give the notice.
[08:12] <khaije1> fluvvell: nopers
[08:12] <InvisiblePinkUni> upt1me: good info :)
[08:12] <ArrenLex> !someone > kubuntu
[08:12] <kubuntu> wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb, missing codepage or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - trydmesg | tail  or so
[08:12] <czer323> "It's done when it's done."
[08:12] <mnepton> one more time: no image that has been produced thus far has been blessed by the release team as final. please do not waste your bandwidth or ours.
[08:12] <ArrenLex> kubuntu: you're trying to mount the whole drive. You should be mounting a partition.
[08:12] <kubuntu> I get that error when mounting my drive even though I gave it the FS type
[08:13] <fluvvell> khaijel, I get Could not connect to the daemon.     from beagle-status, just looking for someone with a bit more experience on it than me
[08:13] <zircx> Although I must say, i do like the network share options that come with gnome..
[08:13] <czer323> Besides, I want a torrent file.  WIth this many people, server's gonna be hit hard.
[08:13] <kubuntu> ArrenLex: Sorry that should be /dev/hdb1
[08:13] <Nafallo> InvisiblePinkUni: that's because of the LTS ;-)
[08:13] <ArrenLex> kubuntu: run sudo fdisk -l | grep hdb1
[08:13] <ArrenLex> Paste what it says
[08:13] <zircx> especially since i'm lazy I can just connect to either of my boxes without too much hassle..
[08:14] <khaije1> fluvvell: i doubt i could help because it "Just Worked" for me, i didn't even look under the hood or read and docs
[08:14] <mnepton> czer323: there will be a few fast seeds as soon as the release is announced.
[08:14] <kubuntu>  /dev/hdb1               1       24321   195358401    7  HPFS/NTFS
[08:14] <fluvvell> khaijel, do you remember what you installed?
[08:14] <khaije1> fluvvell: i'll check brb
[08:14] <fluvvell> ta
[08:14] <czer323> mnepton, That's extremely good news.  Can someone at least make a suggestion as to how much longer we'll need to wait?  A couple hours... 12 hours?
[08:14] <ArrenLex> kubuntu: and the line "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 <mountpoint" doesn't work?
[08:14] <ArrenLex> >" *
[08:15] <mnepton> czer323: "When it's ready."
[08:15] <Nafallo> czer323: noone knows.
[08:15] <czer323> lol
[08:15] <ArrenLex> sdb **
[08:15] <lotusleaf> czer323: I've got Edgy fever!
[08:15] <czer323> "It's done when i'ts done."
[08:15] <ArrenLex> hdb
[08:15] <lotusleaf> what's the secret of life? Ubuntu!
[08:15] <mnepton> i've got a fever. and the only prescription is ...
[08:15] <kubuntu> ArrenLex: Gives me the same error as above
[08:15] <czer323> EDGY
[08:15] <Nafallo> mnepton: debians reason are still going strong :-D
[08:15] <khaije1> fluvvell: i installed this package "beagle - indexing and search tool for your personal data"
[08:15] <ArrenLex> kubuntu: pastebin "dmesg | tail"
[08:15] <zircx> that's actually a good question, is it easy enough upgrading from one release to the next without too much hassle?
[08:15] <mnepton> Nafallo: we imported that with no diffs
[08:16] <Nafallo> mnepton: hehe
[08:16] <Nafallo> straight sync :-). that's how it should be :-).
[08:16] <fluvvell> khaijel, hah, maybe I installed too much stuff
[08:16] <wastrel> zircx:  i recommend backing up before attempting to upgrade
[08:16] <khaije1> fluvvell: you probably need to install this also though  "beagle-backend-evolution"
[08:16] <wastrel> but the goal is to be able to upgrade easily
[08:16] <fluvvell> khaijel, yeah, did that and run out of file descriptors regularly
[08:17] <Mukunda> Hello, is there any news when Edgy will be out?
[08:17] <fluvvell> !ef
[08:17] <ubotu> Edgy will be released around October 26th (*some* timezone) - we don't know at precisely what time of the day it will be finalized and published for download. Please be patient!
[08:17] <zircx> wastrel; ah okies, i guess it's a matter of downloading the iso of the latest release and running an upgrade option?
[08:17] <Mukunda> As in what hour<timezone> ?
[08:17] <khaije1> fluvvell: "run out"
[08:17] <khaije1> ?
[08:17] <Nafallo> Mukunda: which ever :-)
[08:17] <Mukunda> ubotu: oki doki, thanks.
[08:17] <kofwang> www.ubuntu.com 's frontpage has changed to 6.10?
[08:17] <zircx> Thu Oct 26 19:17:54 NZDT 2006
[08:17] <fluvvell> khaijel, I get a too many files open error
[08:17] <SaLsIcHa> http://www.ubuntu.com/products/GetUbuntu/download#currentrelease
[08:17] <Nafallo> kofwang: that's just promotion
[08:18] <zircx> Ooo. that means edgy is being released?!
[08:18] <Mukunda> Hrmm, I'm hoping they've fixed up the bug with wireless cards, the RC had a big problem.
[08:18] <crimsun> Mukunda: which problem?
[08:18] <bimberi> kofwang: yes, prematurely
[08:18] <kofwang> but it says "released"...
[08:18] <Mukunda> crimsun: the kernel would panic, umm can't remember exactly, some softlock thing.
[08:18] <fluvvell> khaijel, I'm blaming beagle because it all worked sweetly until then.  Now evolution locks up three or four times a day
[08:18] <girox> Hi! What is simple texteditor in consol mode? (I am very newbie...)
[08:18] <Tomcat_> girox: nano
[08:18] <girox> thx
[08:18] <crimsun> Mukunda: kinda vague. Got any further details?
[08:19] <Mukunda> crimsun: hang on. See if I can find it.
[08:19] <fluvvell> khaijel, and it dumps any emails I'm working on at the time.
[08:19] <zircx> nano seems to be the easiest to maneuver around although I must admit I never knew it existed until I started using Ubuntut
[08:19] <bimberi> kofwang: exactly.  It shouldn't
[08:19] <zircx> lol
[08:19] <mnepton> girox: sudo apt-get install ne
[08:19] <SdobSiSdub> Where I can download edgy?
[08:20] <kubuntu> ArrenLex: http://ubuntu.pastebin.ca/222315
[08:20] <mnepton> girox: ne is probably the best editor for someone new to Linux's CLI
[08:20] <rajasekaran> Hi,how to run devils pie
[08:20] <bimberi> SdobSiSdub: you can get the release candidate via http://ubuntu.com/download
[08:20] <khaije1> fluvvell: thats odd, i don't know why that would be, have you tried removing the config files and re-installing?
[08:21] <ArrenLex> kubuntu: this thing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS
[08:21] <SdobSiSdub> today must be release
[08:21] <ArrenLex> kubuntu: is toast
[08:21] <girox> thx
[08:21] <zircx> erm, It can't get any worse than trying to get my non-dvd playing rom to try and play a dvd, it was dark, I couldn't read my rom because it's black .. and yeah.. that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it..
[08:21] <Timmy|GDS> Hey. Apt-get/synaptic both aren't working for me right now. Anybody want me to give them an output when I try to apply in synaptic?
[08:21] <lotusleaf> Ubuntu needs some hot ch1x0rz to model for Ubuntu, like Sola Aoi http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/63#comment-9912
[08:21] <Nafallo> SdobSiSdub: today doesn't have to be just now.
[08:21] <fluvvell> khaijel, well I did a reinstall of the beagle packages, but I'm thinking about trying again. Was looking for any pearls of wisdom so might try your suggestion.
[08:21] <ArrenLex> kubuntu: secifically: The Master File Table (MFT) essentially contains metadata about every file and directory on an NTFS file system. It includes parameters such as location, size, and permissions. It is used to aid in minimizing disk fragmentation.
[08:21] <ArrenLex> specifically **
[08:21] <ArrenLex> MFT is toast.
[08:21] <kubuntu> ArrenLex: Ah Ok can that be rebuilt?
[08:21] <mnepton> girox: when ne is installed, just type "ne" (no quotes) at a prompt and then hit <esc>
[08:21] <SdobSiSdub> ubuntu.com updated
[08:22] <elderrr> what's the advantage of lrm ?
[08:22] <hkl8324> add a .pool to a random FTP/HTTP mirror, and you will know that 6.10 is indeed released
[08:22] <ArrenLex> kubuntu: does this partition mount under Windows? How did this happen -- did you try something dangerous like writing to it?
[08:22] <Nafallo> hkl8324: no. you won't. and it's not.
[08:22] <kubuntu> ArrenLex: nope just tried moutning it
[08:22] <Timmy|GDS> :|
[08:22] <elderrr> disadvantage ?
[08:23] <thelsdj> anyone notice ubuntu gets sluggish after a few days and reboot really helps? i've tried things like restart firefox/azureus/etc but that doesn't seem to help much, maybe restarting X might do more, anyone else have tips on how to keep system snappy?
[08:23] <hh> are there any other irc servers besides freenode that are worth being on?
[08:23] <ArrenLex> kubuntu: at this point, google is your best friend, because your problem has become very specific, easily described, specialised troubleshooting.
[08:23] <Timmy|GDS> thelsdj: how much ram do you have, what type, and processor speed?
[08:23] <kubuntu> ArrenLex: can some application (windows or other wise) repair this?
[08:23] <ArrenLex> kubuntu: good luck :)
[08:23] <kubuntu> ArrenLex: IE repair MFT NTFS ?
[08:24] <kubuntu> i.e no IE
[08:24] <zircx> thelsdj; possibly a new machine.. ubuntu never seems to get sluggish with me..
[08:24] <hkl8324> Nafallo, only RC and RTM get synced to mirrors
[08:24] <ArrenLex> kubuntu: sure.
[08:24] <thelsdj> 1gb ram, 2ghz amd semperon
[08:24] <zircx> I'm actually very happy with ubuntu as a desktop..
[08:24] <Kameli> edgyy edgyyy
[08:24] <Kameli> here im
[08:25] <Nafallo> hkl8324: yea? and if we spin new isos for rc-bugs?
[08:25] <Timmy|GDS> thelsdj: clear cache often, and use fluxbox or xfce
[08:25] <Nafallo> rc + dist-upgrade would be more stable.
[08:25] <mnepton> hkl8324: 6.10 has not yet been released. i assure you in the strongest possible terms.
[08:25] <thelsdj> Timmy|GDS: clear cache?
[08:25] <Timmy|GDS> yeah
[08:25] <thelsdj> which cache?
[08:25] <Kameli> i need more Tweak Guides to ubuntuforums ! i have done them all =(
[08:25] <zircx> ah dist-upgrades brings that baby up to date then heh..
[08:25] <zircx> you learn something everyday
[08:25] <Timmy|GDS> On firefox hit ctrl shift delete
[08:26] <Timmy|GDS> clear it all
[08:26] <Timmy|GDS> that frees up a good bit if you use the net alot
[08:26] <Timmy|GDS> especially dynamic sites like myspace
[08:26] <Timmy|GDS> But get edgy
[08:26] <hkl8324> Nafallo, experience tell me that wont happen
[08:26] <hh> are there any other irc servers besides freenode that are worth being on?
[08:26] <lotusleaf> *<:O) Edgy is better than Jesus
[08:26] <Timmy|GDS> alot of the memory leaks are fixed, and boot times are faster
[08:26] <zircx> question, nvidia drivers, is it better to install the ones that are part of the repository or is it better to stick to the vendors driver releases?
[08:27] <Nafallo> hkl8324: us to you I guess. still not released :-)
[08:27] <Timmy|GDS> Edgy IS better than jesus
[08:27] <thelsdj> actually i am using edgy :)
[08:27] <Timmy|GDS> Heh
[08:27] <Timmy|GDS> WELL THEN
[08:27] <ArrenLex> Timmy: The beatles just rolled over in their grave.
[08:27] <Timmy|GDS> Fluxbox or XFCE4
[08:27] <ArrenLex> sorry, Timmy -> lotusleaf
[08:27] <Timmy|GDS> ArrenLex: Yay
[08:27] <mnepton> ArrenLex: including Paul and Ringo?
[08:27] <lotusleaf> ArrenLex: all you need is love! yeah, john, and a bulletproof vest! *trombone*
[08:27] <zircx> erm I'm going to donload edgy! w00t
[08:28] <Timmy|GDS> DO IT
[08:28] <Rookie_> !caps
[08:28] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[08:28] <zircx> !taps
[08:28] <ArrenLex> mneopton: their big collective grave where the worshippers sacrifice goats on tuesdays, pagan chants on wednesdays, casual dress on fridays.
[08:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about taps - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:28] <hkl8324> Nafallo, OK...not officially released, but can be downloaded...:D
[08:28] <zircx> lol
[08:28] <thelsdj> yea i used to use blackbox back in the day, though i'm using ubuntu/gnome now because for like 5 years i went really minimal on GUI and such so thuoght i'd try the heavy gui thing for a whlie hehe
[08:28] <thelsdj> (though i'm still using irssi)
[08:28] <mnepton> ArrenLex: we call it "G String Friday" around here ;)
[08:28] <Timmy|GDS> Lol, caps piss people off so much. Blackbox owns too. Using irssi too here
[08:28] <Nafallo> hkl8324: edgy have been downloadable for months, so yea ;-).
[08:29] <lotusleaf> Nafallo: in soviet russia, months download you!
[08:29] <mnepton> hkl8324: it cannot be downloaded, as no images have been blessed as -final yet.
[08:29] <ArrenLex> lotusleaf: XD
[08:29] <hkl8324> Nafallo, you know what I mean
[08:29] <khaije1> !patience
[08:29] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[08:29] <Nafallo> hkl8324: sure. yea meant 6.10 :-)
[08:29] <mnepton> hkl8324: you are welcome to download 20061026 dailies, but there's no guarantee that those are final.
[08:29] <khaije1> !thermonuclearwar
[08:29] <Timmy|GDS> So can anybody help me with synaptic?
[08:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thermonuclearwar - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:30] <ArrenLex> !anybody
[08:30] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[08:30] <JoseStefan> mnepton, you could confirm md5sums
[08:30] <ArrenLex> !NSA Wiretapping
[08:30] <khaije1> LOL!!
[08:30] <Timmy|GDS> ubotu: what is the meaning of life?
[08:30] <JNeverMind> ubuntu-6.10-rc is this the one ?
[08:30] <Flannel> !ef
[08:30] <ubotu> Edgy will be released around October 26th (*some* timezone) - we don't know at precisely what time of the day it will be finalized and published for download.  Anyone know of a good program that I can use to manage my m3u playlists? (Sorting, Removing Duplicates, etc) ... XMMS doesn't have the best playlist manager.
[08:31] <ArrenLex> Wil: Amarok?
[08:31] <khaije1> ArrenLex: Han Solo was right "can't trust bots"
[08:31] <Amaranth> Timmy|GDS: watch this :)
[08:31] <Amaranth> ubotu: what is the meaning of life?
[08:31] <ubotu> what is already known
[08:31] <Timmy|GDS> Well, I guess nobody here can help me. I got a few words for you all then. Go download scatterchat. BoW to the CoW. GreenDiamond- OUT
[08:31] <Amaranth> bah
[08:31] <JoseStefan> mnepton, when final is released, you can check your downloaded daily with the final's md5sum
[08:31] <Amaranth> Timmy|GDS: nevermind
[08:31] <Timmy|GDS> :)
[08:32] <mnepton> JoseStefan: why waste the bandwidth?
[08:32] <ArrenLex> ubotu: r u hott? ;)
[08:32] <JoseStefan> mnepton, hopefully, nothing would have changed and they would be the same fail, renamed
[08:32] <JoseStefan> file*
[08:32] <Akuma_> nub Q: where can i find the kernel's c header files?
[08:32] <JoseStefan> (oops)
[08:32] <h0ser> Hey folks. Anyone know how to recover your password for NickServ?
[08:32] <h0ser> SENDPASS command doesn't work.
[08:32] <mnepton> JoseStefan: and "hopefully" you didn;t download 700MB for nothing, placing starin on Canonical infrastructure needlessly on a release day. why not just wait?
[08:33] <mnepton> *strain
[08:33] <Flannel> h0ser: talk to a staff member
[08:33] <JoseStefan> that also true, but some people are very impacient :S
[08:34] <lotusleaf> JoseStefan: Some of us have Edgy fever!
[08:34] <mnepton> JoseStefan: well, please don't actually *encourage* impatience ;)
[08:34] <h0ser> Thank you Flannel
[08:34] <zircx> ok, I'm out .. gonna do a fresh install
[08:34] <rawrness> it not even theth fo me and i got eht fe
[08:34] <rawrness> fever
[08:35] <rawrness> the 26th*
[08:35] <zircx> oh just on my question, nvidia drivers again, vendors or the ones that come in the repository? which is the better option to go?
[08:35] <hkl8324> Nafallo, mneption: We'll see if the MD5sum of 20061025 dailies match the final...no guarantee, not 100%, but 99.99%
[08:35] <zircx> I wanna add some glitz and glam to my desktop with some of that fancy stuff
[08:35] <mnepton> hkl8324: please do not place strain on servers unecessarily?
[08:35] <zircx> xgl crappers..
[08:35] <Nafallo> ofcourse. I like to keep that 0.01% open though.
[08:36] <Flannel> zircx: use the one from the repositories
[08:36] <upt1me> http://mirror3.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/linux/ubuntu/releases/.pool/ubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso
[08:36] <lotusleaf> Everyone crow like a rooster at midnight to celebrate the release of Ubuntu Edgy, crow like a rooster the size of a gorilla.. CROW!
[08:36] <zircx> Flannel , thanks
[08:36] <zircx> ciao guys..
[08:36] <JNeverMind> do you guys know if the iso with -rc- in the name is the official release version ?
[08:36] <bimberi> JNeverMind: no
[08:36] <Flannel> JNeverMind: they're not.  Edgy is NOT released yet.
[08:36] <JoseStefan> other option, other than ISO is the dist-upgrade, might stress the servers less
[08:36] <Neil3> its out? :)
[08:36] <JNeverMind> ok thanks
[08:37] <azureal> btw, flannel, when it gets out, how would one upgrade from ubuntu server edition?
[08:37] <JoseStefan> actually, less stress on the servers would be the torrent
[08:37] <Flannel> !update
[08:37] <ubotu> Upgrading, please see the instructions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[08:37] <khaije1> slightly OT, but are there any opinions on lvm2 vs evms? I need to build a SAN
[08:37] <Nafallo> JoseStefan: word!
[08:37] <hh> can soemoen please tell me if there are any other irc servers worth being on?
[08:37] <Flannel> azureal: same process, change dapper to edgt, apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:37] <Nafallo> hh: no, probably not.
[08:37] <azureal> Flannel, but dont they recommend using some update-manager which requires ubuntu-desktop
[08:37] <JNeverMind> i notice the homepage was updated and thought it was out
[08:37] <JNeverMind> heh
[08:37] <LaserJock> Nafallo: I find freenode worth being on ;-)
[08:38] <Flannel> azureal: only for the desktop, dist upgrade works fine
[08:38] <Rookie_> qnet too
[08:38] <khaije1> JNeverMind: ya, not yet
[08:38] <Nafallo> LaserJock: yea, and one more that I won't tell you :-)
[08:38] <hh> what about gaming?
[08:38] <azureal> Flannel, oh, also i've been only using aptitude instead of apt-get
[08:38] <Flannel> azureal: that's fine too
[08:38] <hh> do game clans and such use freenode?
[08:38] <azureal> ok, thx
[08:38] <kofwang> what is aptitud?
[08:39] <hkl8324> mnepton, no, it is avoiding server congestion by donwloading before official announcement ^_^
[08:39] <kofwang> different with apt-get?
[08:39] <johso> hi. I need to setup some kind of proxy on my Ubuntu server. which should I choose? I've heard Squid is a good choice, but I have no clue how to configure it.
[08:39] <azureal> i think aptitude was originally just a debian thing
[08:39] <Rookie_> !aptitude
[08:39] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[08:39] <rexbinary> hh, no, try quakenet or gamesurge
[08:39] <Flannel> azureal: update-manager does some checks before upgrading (making sure they have ubuntu-desktop package installed, etc) that lessen the chance of those upgrades breaking, without a desktop meta package, you don't need to wrry about the new additionsl
[08:39] <lotusleaf> deck the halls with pretty lizards, edgy edgy edgy, edgy release day!
[08:40] <azureal> Flannel, ah, great
[08:40] <khaije1> !evms
[08:40] <ubotu> evms: Enterprise Volume Management System (core). In component main, is standard. Version 2.5.4-5ubuntu6 (dapper), package size 82 kB, installed size 292 kB
[08:40] <rawrness> eat the porage of some sinner edgy edgy edgy release day
[08:40] <ArrenLex> porrrige.
[08:40] <Kameli> EDGYYYYYYYYYYYYY <3
[08:41] <khaije1> !lvm2
[08:41] <lotusleaf> omg edgy!
[08:41] <ubotu> lvm2: The Linux Logical Volume Manager. In component main, is standard.  Grumpy Gnu?
[08:42] <exhale> lol
[08:42] <kofwang> ^^
[08:42] <khaije1> Gracefull Gnat?
[08:42] <exhale> i love the ubuntu names
[08:42] <savvas> let's make a poll and vote :p
[08:42] <Agrajag> Gregarious Goldfinch
[08:42] <lotusleaf> Sexy Seahorse
[08:42] <khaije1> Agrajag: i'm with you!
[08:42] <ArrenLex> Goddamn Geeks.
[08:42] <khaije1> lol
[08:42] <ranfart> good morning to everybody
[08:42] <Nafallo> savvas: why? sabdfl will choose to his liking anyways :-)
[08:42] <kubuntu> Galumphing Gorrilas!
[08:42] <rredd4> !language
[08:42] <khaije1> you can't do thatt!
[08:42] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[08:42] <exhale> where did that come from?
[08:42] <kismet_> so I followed the directions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI, but when I type "fglrxinfo" I get a very long list of "API ERROR" entries
[08:42] <lotusleaf> Prostituting Possum
[08:43] <CheekyBoinc> ^^
[08:43] <rawrness> Atomic Bunny!
[08:43] <khaije1> LMAO!
[08:43] <Flannel> !offtopic
[08:43] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[08:43] <plaf> Riddalin Rabbit
[08:43] <Agrajag> Nefarious Narwhal
[08:43] <lotusleaf> Basful Babboon
[08:43] <savvas> Bounty Chc
[08:43] <savvas> :p
[08:43] <lotusleaf> Gay Gorilla and Bashful Babboon
[08:43] <ranfart> sorry there are anybody knows when the 6.10 are available today?
[08:43] <rawrness> chronic Cow
[08:43] <ArrenLex> !ef
[08:43] <ubotu> Edgy will be released around October 26th (*some* timezone) - we don't know at precisely what time of the day it will be finalized and published for download. Please be patient!
[08:43] <Kameli> Why edgy gives less FPS? =(
[08:44] <mnepton> http://www.mneptok.com/pony-cd-cover.jpg
[08:44] <lotusleaf> Kameli: Edgy creates worlds and reseeds forests with love and freedom
[08:44] <ArrenLex> XD
[08:44] <plaf> I think I'll finally switch back to ubuntu after leaving for a year. I tried hoary hedge hog, hated it, then left for FC5. so its either FC6 or edgy for me
[08:44] <drspin> is there a time set for edgy to release?? [
[08:44] <Agrajag> oh wow mneptok
[08:44] <kismet_> Please help me, I have NEVER gotten fglrx to work
[08:44] <Agrajag> haven't seen you since #beos
[08:45] <ArrenLex> You're very pretty, mnepton.
[08:45] <kubuntu> ArrenLex: Screw it :) I'm running some processes on this till tomorrow I'll try and fix it after that
[08:45] <lotusleaf> plaf: I'd rather gargle my own urine than use an RPM based distro
[08:45] <mnepton> Agrajag: ZB!
[08:45] <Agrajag> you got it in one.
[08:45] <mnepton> Agrajag: /whois loves me
[08:45] <Agrajag> hah
[08:45] <ranfart> if upgrade my 6.06 with the 6.10 release candidate. after i can upgrade the release candidate with the final 6.10, or there are some problems?
[08:45] <soundmaster80> hi, i have installed the server OS and i would like to add gnome....just the gui and no extras is there an easy way to do this?
[08:46] <plaf> lotusleaf: was the dependancy hell from 5.04 fixed recently? i haven't had that with RPMs
[08:46] <mnepton> Agrajag: back in 10. smoke break. also, i need to stop reading "is Edgy out yet?" before i spoon my eyeballs into my coffee.
[08:46] <lotusleaf> plaf: what dependancy hell?
[08:46] <ArrenLex> $ sudo apt-get install libmeaningoflife0
[08:46] <ArrenLex> E: Couldn't find package libmeaningoflife0
[08:46] <ArrenLex> Dammit, why isn't this in the repos yet?
[08:46] <gnu2it2> what do you restart to force reread of /etc/inetd.conf ?
[08:46] <lotusleaf> plaf: never had dependancy hell in Ubuntu
[08:46] <Agrajag> haha, yeah
[08:46] <Fujitsu> plaf: There was no dependency hell...
[08:46] <rawrness> soundmaster80, sudo apt-get ubuntu-desktop
[08:46] <lotusleaf> plaf: I've been using Ubuntu since warty
[08:46] <plaf> lotusleaf: well maybe it wasn't wide spread, but I always had problems trying to install anything, and uninstalling was unthinkable lol
[08:46] <lotusleaf> plaf: do you work for Microsoft?
[08:46] <Fujitsu> plaf: It must have just been you.
[08:46] <rawrness> soundmaster80, sudo apt-get  install ubuntu-desktop *
[08:46] <plaf> uninstalling is just as bad in FC5 though
[08:46] <soundmaster80> doesn't that install all the extra packages
[08:47] <soundmaster80> open office and etc?
[08:47] <ranfart> if upgrade my 6.06 with the 6.10 release candidate. after i can upgrade the release candidate with the final 6.10, or there are some problems?
[08:47] <plaf> lotusleaf: I am not downplaying ubuntu, I am relaying my experience
[08:47] <exhale> soundmaster80, yes it does
[08:47] <lotusleaf> plaf: yes or no please ;)
[08:47] <soundmaster80> i don't need  all that
[08:47] <plaf> lotusleaf: no
[08:47] <elkbuntu> can people undertaking idle discussions kindly move themselves to #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[08:47] <khaije1> plaf: my only dependency hell is when i'm depending on using ubuntu and i'm not allowed to (at work)
[08:47] <soundmaster80> btw, plaf i've never had dependancy problems
[08:47] <lotusleaf> plaf: Edgy is bliss, trust me
[08:47] <soundmaster80> in fact that's why i left RPMS
[08:47] <ranfart> if upgrade my 6.06 with the 6.10 release candidate. after i can upgrade the release candidate with the final 6.10, or there are some problems?
[08:47] <ArrenLex> plaf: apt-get remove dependency-problems
[08:48] <lotusleaf> plaf: I've been running Edgy since knot 3 and it's delicious
[08:48] <plaf> lotusleaf: hopefully it is, i plan to try it later tonight
[08:48] <Fujitsu> ranfart: just sudo aptitude update and sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[08:48] <rawrness> KINKY KITTY!
[08:48] <agutierr> someone has the direct link to 6.10 release ?
[08:48] <phr023n> what's an  idle discussions?
[08:48] <Fujitsu> !ef
[08:48] <ubotu> Edgy will be released around October 26th (*some* timezone) - we don't know at precisely what time of the day it will be finalized and published for download. Please be patient!
[08:48] <boink> do you need to redo your xorg.conf after updating to edgy?
[08:48] <Agrajag> crusty crab
[08:48] <Fujitsu> agutierr: It hasn't been released yet.
[08:48] <soundmaster80> anywho, so there isn't a way to just install the desktop, not the extra packages
[08:48] <Fujitsu> boink: Not in most cases.
[08:48] <markdarb> Hi. I'm trying to play a Quicktime file (medium trailer from plumiefros.com), and so far to no success. I've tried installing xine, and that's just about all. Is there a particular package anyone would recommend installing?
[08:48] <agutierr> :-(
[08:48] <agutierr> okas
[08:48] <boink> ta
[08:48] <ranfart> Fujitsu: thanks
[08:48] <Fujitsu> boink: Maybe in some very rare cases, though.
[08:49] <Fujitsu> !restricted | markdarb
[08:49] <ubotu> markdarb: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:49] <boink> markdarb: trying to play a .mov file?
[08:49] <uwjames> hello.. newbie here.  running dapper and trying to install an alarm so I can wake up in the morning
[08:49] <MistaED> ranfart: at this stage, there will only be last minute bug fixes and maybe artwork tweaks
[08:49] <ArrenLex> !codecs > markdarb
[08:49] <boink> uwjames: xmms has an alarm plugin
[08:49] <uwjames> I have xmms installed
[08:49] <bmgz> HELP! has 6.10 EDGY EFT _final_ been released today yet?
[08:49] <johso> I don't suppose anyone would know how to configure Squid here, huh?
[08:49] <Fujitsu> MistaED: At this stage there will actually be nothing, but that's minor.
[08:49] <Fujitsu> bmgz: No.
[08:49] <Flannel> bmgz: no.
[08:49] <BHSPitLappy> markdarb, mplayer plays quicktime beautifully, and if you get the mplayer plugin for firefox, it integrates perfectly
[08:49] <elkbuntu> uwjames, many of the music programs have alarm plugins :)
[08:49] <boink> I use xmms as an alarm :)
[08:49] <boink> otherwise, man crontab with mplayer
[08:49] <Kameli> How i can get all performance from my CPU, my nice amd 64 processor has several flags but k7 cant use them all, so i lose bit about my processor? :(
[08:49] <soundmaster80> yeah, but xmms alarm isn't that friendly
[08:49] <markdarb> yes, a mov
[08:49] <elkbuntu> uwjames, search synaptic for 'alarm' i believe it shows most of them up
[08:50] <khaije1> bmgz: we are all waiting, it hasn't yet been released
[08:50] <boink> it's friendly to me
[08:50] <soundmaster80> lol
[08:50] <Fujitsu> markdarb: See what ubotu said up there a bit ^^
[08:50] <black_13> how do enable more detailed boot logging
[08:50] <bmgz> What timezone/time will it be released? anyone know?
[08:50] <soundmaster80> matter of opinion i'm sure :)
[08:50] <Fujitsu> !ef
[08:50] <ubotu> Edgy will be released around October 26th (*some* timezone) - we don't know at precisely what time of the day it will be finalized and published for download. Please be patient!
[08:50] <boink> markdarb: mplayer should play .mov files just fine
[08:50] <lotusleaf> Did somebody say Edgy?
[08:50] <uwjames> I downloaded the xmms alarm plugin and got xmms-alarm. but I need to compile it
[08:50] <boink> there's an ubuntu .deb for the xmms-alarm
[08:50] <boink> no need to compile
[08:51] <uwjames> ooh that would be better
[08:51] <boink> uwjames: apt-cache search xmms
[08:51] <uwjames> so does all deb stuff run in ubuntu?
[08:51] <bmgz> The pope was wrong their is a puragatory - waiting to get Edgy ;-) (no offence)
[08:51] <nikdo> sorry, just testing...have a great night/day everyone
[08:51] <boink> it's an ubuntu .deb :)
[08:51] <markdarb> Thanks. That was next on my todo list (just downloading the multiverse info, which can take a while on dialup)
[08:51] <rawrness> @lart Canonical.ltd
[08:52] <lotusleaf> Front page of Digg: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_6_10_Released
[08:52] <uwjames> ok Boink, I'll try that (crossing fingers)
[08:52] <boink> markdarb: they want to improve the codec situation for the next release, feisty
[08:52] <Agrajag> lotusleaf: download link still goes to 6.06
[08:52] <Mehrdad> Where can I download 6.10 DVD?
[08:52] <Fujitsu> !ef
[08:52] <ubotu> Edgy will be released around October 26th (*some* timezone) - we don't know at precisely what time of the day it will be finalized and published for download. Please be patient!
[08:52] <boink> Mahrdad: www.ubuntu.com
[08:52] <Fujitsu> Mehrdad: It's not been released yet.
[08:52] <khaije1> does anyone know where i can find information comparing evms and lvm2?
[08:52] <lotusleaf> Agrajag: yeah I know =)
[08:52] <lotusleaf> Agrajag: But I love the hype
[08:52] <Mehrdad> the home page is changed
[08:52] <savvas> just be patient guys
[08:52] <boink> patience?
[08:52] <bmgz> their arent any links on the download page yet -still 6.06
[08:53] <Fujitsu> Mehrdad: It doesn't say it's been released.
[08:53] <Fujitsu> Mehrdad: It says it is released on the 26th.
[08:53] <savvas> it's better to release a working os, than a buggy one ;p
[08:53] <kraut> moin
[08:53] <markdarb> boink: That'll be good. It really is annoying with all the legal issues surrounding multimedia.
[08:53] <boink> they're working on it :)
[08:53] <Mehrdad> Fujitsu, "released" is past tense!
[08:53] <drspin> main page is updated but not the download pages
[08:53] <drspin> everybody seed the torrent
[08:53] <drspin> :)
[08:53] <uwjames> ok, so I see the xmms-alarm is listed.. what is the command to install it?
[08:53] <bmgz> I doubt they still bug-squashing in these dying moments
[08:53] <boink> I would say the video card drivers and the multimedia codecs are still the weak spots in ubuntu
[08:53] <uwjames> (thanks by the way)
[08:54] <Agrajag> uwjames: sudo apt-get install xmms-alarm
[08:54] <Fujitsu> Mehrdad: Can be future (`it will be released,' for example)
[08:54] <lotusleaf> drspin: I'll be getting the Edgy CD and DVD torrent and leaving it on a few days ;)
[08:54] <Kameli> !ef
[08:54] <ubotu> Edgy will be released around October 26th (*some* timezone) - we don't know at precisely what time of the day it will be finalized and published for download. Please be patient!
[08:54] <boink> Fujitsu: how about "it will have been released" :)
[08:54] <mnepton> drspin: i will be setting up early torrent seeds. don't worry, when the release happens there won't be just one seed. :)
[08:54] <bmgz> they got to build iso's and update mirrors which will take another day if they still bug-fixing
[08:54] <Mehrdad> what's in ubuntu DVD? it kubuntu included?
[08:54] <drspin> boink: those are issues for linux itself -- mostly due to licensing and support from the OEM
[08:54] <lotusleaf> Mehrdad: check cdimages.ubuntu.com
[08:55] <azureal> lol... on "aptitude install gdm" :  "Need to get 14.6MB/15.6MB of archives. After unpacking 45.0MB will be used."
[08:55] <savvas> boink: those are-- what doc said :p
[08:55] <boink> FreeBSD doesn't have these problems, drspin
[08:55] <bmgz> ubotu: you better automate that message of yours ;-)
[08:55] <Fujitsu> !ubotu
[08:55] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[08:55] <Mehrdad> lotusleaf, I want to know if I download the DVD, should I download kubuntu too?
[08:55] <rwscold> 1) The Edgy repositories are *very* frozen, meaning unless the world collapses there will be no more changes to the Edgy repositories... In other words, if you want to upgrade, doing it now or when Edgy is officially released is no different.
[08:55] <rwscold> (2) http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ One of these latest CD builds is going to be renamed into the final release... these ARE either the final releases or one package away from it ;-)
[08:55] <drspin> boink: different legalities and philosophies surrounding it
[08:56] <boink> you see, it's circumstances
[08:56] <lotusleaf> Mehrdad: you can download Ubuntu and install KDE (Kubuntu) from within Ubuntu.
[08:56] <mabreaux> has 6.10 been released yet?
[08:56] <osama> hi, anybody tried Edgy Eft Release (6.1)
[08:56] <Fujitsu> mabreaux: No.
[08:56] <osama> mabreaux, yes
[08:56] <savvas> no
[08:56] <osama> no?
[08:56] <wheatie> lol
[08:56] <Fujitsu> osama: It's 6.10, and it hasn't been released yet.
[08:56] <savvas> hm? :P
[08:56] <bimberi> rofl
[08:56] <osama> dig says yes ...
[08:56] <rawrness> ma
[08:56] <uwjames> great, it is installing xmms-alarm.  thanks fellas.  I still wonder what to do about the ./configure telling me I needed to install glib 1.2.6 or put it in my path (I had tried to build the package)
[08:56] <mabreaux> that was confusing
[08:56] <osama> digg
[08:56] <rwscold> it will be out in approximately 6 hours
[08:57] <drspin> downloads aren't available yet
[08:57] <rwscold> :P
[08:57] <lotusleaf> CRIKEY! I love you Edgy!
[08:57] <Fujitsu> osama: Are you serious?
[08:57] <drspin> so does the main ubuntu page
[08:57] <Mehrdad> lotus, I know, my question is: Is kubuntu-desktop package included on ubuntu DVD?
[08:57] <drspin> but downloads aren't available
[08:57] <sheepsheep> even ubuntu.com says it's released already..
[08:57] <barnetod> ill tell you in two minutes if mine is the real or rc
[08:57] <Flannel> osama: Digg is nothing but gossip, come on.
[08:57] <osama> sorry ... just read the comments... .no
[08:57] <uwjames> I believe I have a 2.x version of glib
[08:57] <lotusleaf> Mehrdad: ah, I see, you know I don't know.. There should be a package list somewhere
[08:57] <boink> Mehrdad: you need the Kubuntu-DVD set for kde
[08:57] <azureal> some people say it's supposed to come out today, but Flannel says no, so no. =P
[08:57] <lotusleaf> azureal: never underestimate the power of the Edgy
[08:57] <boink> Kubuntu = Ubuntu with KDE
[08:58] <azureal> wait for the official seal of edgy approval..
[08:58] <Flannel> azureal: it will come out today, we still have... 27 hours of today though.
[08:58] <azureal> 27 hours!??!
[08:58] <drspin> LOl
[08:58] <FeistyFawn> Flannel: but only a few until release :)
[08:58] <lotusleaf> azureal: Edgy love you!
[08:58] <justthisguy> timzones
[08:58] <osama> http://releases.ubuntu.com/.pool/ ???
[08:58] <sheepsheep> when 6.10 will comeout, how do I upgrade to it from 6.06 ?
[08:58] <rawrness> :P
[08:58] <azureal> !time
[08:58] <ubotu> time: The GNU time program for measuring cpu resource usage. In component main, is standard. Version 1.7-21 (dapper), package size 31 kB, installed size 144 kB
[08:58] <mabreaux> just out of curiosity, what happens to all the beta installs..  when it comes out?
[08:58] <FeistyFawn> !upgrade | sheepsheep
[08:58] <ubotu> sheepsheep: Upgrading, please see the instructions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[08:58] <drspin> I'm doing a full reinstall :)
[08:58] <lotusleaf> boink: sloppy seconds
[08:58] <rawrness> i have exatcly 24 hours till today is over
[08:58] <azureal> Flannel, idk where you're getting 27, lol... i only have 23 hrs  =(
[08:59] <Flannel> mabreaux: they'll update like normal package updates to the final
[08:59] <azureal> er.. i meant 21 hrs =/
[08:59] <Krapule95> salut bande de tachon !!!!
[08:59] <mabreaux> okay, I have a friend running the beta and was just wondering
[08:59] <uwjames> by the way, how much and in what ways is edgy better than dapper?  my dapper install has given me networking fits.. I finally got it working tonight
[08:59] <justthisguy> azureal: because there are different timezones around the world, 26th of october hasnt even _started_ in some places
[08:59] <markdarb> Try five hours (I think)
[08:59] <boink> uwjames: good question
[08:59] <azureal> rawrness, perfers? is that along the lines of 'fingers'?
[09:00] <lotusleaf> I am what I am and that's all that I am, I'm Edgy the lizard man !
[09:00] <boink> dapper is at least a "LTS" release
[09:00] <azureal> justthisguy, it will.
[09:00] <Flannel> uwjames, boink, here's a partial rundown: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Beta
[09:00] <boink> ta Flannel
[09:01] <uwjames> thanks flannel
[09:01] <osama> azureal, I know/....
[09:01] <lotusleaf> It's midnight! crow like a rooster! it's edgy day! OO OO OO OO OOOOOO!
[09:01] <KenSentMe> lotusleaf: here it's 9 am
[09:01] <kupesoft> When the friggen release do?
[09:02] <lotusleaf> KenSentMe: crow like a rooster anyway! it's edgy day!
[09:02] <Flannel> !ef
[09:02] <Fujitsu> !ef | kupesoft
[09:02] <ubotu> Edgy will be released around October 26th (*some* timezone) - we don't know at precisely what time of the day it will be finalized and published for download. Please be patient!
[09:02] <ubotu> kupesoft: Edgy will be released around October 26th (*some* timezone) - we don't know at precisely what time of the day it will be finalized and published for download. Please be patient!
[09:02] <kupesoft> When's the friggen release due?
[09:02] <KenSentMe> lotusleaf: that's right. i did this morning
[09:02] <radar1976> can anyone help me understand tr ?
[09:02] <osama> ubotu, South Africa? =GMT??
[09:02] <BHSPitLappy> osama, his artificial intelligence isn't perfect yet
[09:02] <BHSPitLappy> in fact, it's nonexistent.
[09:03] <elkbuntu> Attention please everyone: Edgy Eft has **NOT** been released yet. Could offtopic discussion please go to #ubuntu-offtopic. Thankyou
[09:03] <savvas> osama: gmt+1
[09:03] <osama> BHSPitLappy, :)
[09:03] <BHSPitLappy> elkbuntu, that did it, you took care of that unruly mob :)
[09:03] <boink> elkbuntu: but the hype is fun!
[09:03] <ianmacgregor> It does my heart good to see the auto-install and auto-remove switches added to apt :)
[09:03] <osama> savvas, so now it's 8:00 (GMT+1)
[09:03] <savvas> sorry, UTC +2 :p
[09:03] <elkbuntu> boink, not for people who are trying to get genuine help
[09:03] <ianmacgregor> I guess my bug reports were seen :)
[09:03] <boink> thus, it's now 0700 UTC
[09:04] <osama> savvas, so now it's 9:00 (UTC+2)
[09:04] <savvas> well yes
[09:04] <ianmacgregor> It is now October 26, 2006 in Seattle, Washington
[09:04] <uwjames> hmm.. new login screen, background, round corners.. seriously though, looks nice, but wondering if networking is better.. from all I read DHCP is a crapshoot in dapper (I couldn't get it to work)
[09:04] <osama> http://releases.ubuntu.com/.pool/  has the iso .... (6.10 without RC)
[09:04] <boink> uwjames: the dhcp client is fine in dapper
[09:04] <mnepton> osama: that is not an official final release
[09:04] <upt1me> http://mirror3.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/linux/ubuntu/releases/.pool/   <--- Fast
[09:05] <osama> oh...
[09:05] <Fujitsu> upt1me: That isn't the final release, as mnepton said. WE've been telling you this for some time.
[09:05] <mnepton> please do NOT advertise .pool as being final. it IS NOT FINAL.
[09:05] <elkbuntu> Attention: Edgy Eft has **NOT** been released yet.
[09:05] <uwjames> I'm sure I could get it to work if I knew more.. but in the forums the recomended fix is to go with static
[09:05] <rwscold> has feisty the ferret been released yet?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:05] <boink> heh
[09:05] <rwscold> OHHHH
[09:06] <lotusleaf> http two little dots forward slash slash I want me edgy gimmie me edgy dot woo!
[09:06] <savvas> it even says it in the pool: release candidate hehe
[09:06] <boink> anyone have any ubuntu help questions? fire away..
[09:06] <sonics> how do I upgrade using apt commands a specified version?
[09:07] <boink> !upgrade
[09:07] <ubotu> Upgrading, please see the instructions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[09:07] <uwjames> how can I tell if I have glib 1.2.6 (or better) and if I do, how can I get my ./configure to find it?
[09:08] <rwscold> has feisty the ferret been released yet?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE OH PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[09:08] <JoseStefan> FeistyFawn
[09:08] <boink> feisty fawn won't be released until 26 April
[09:08] <sonics> boink: thanx but I mean e.g. upgrading ysm to its newest version?
[09:08] <rwscold> i know
[09:08] <Fujitsu> -ERR boink
[09:08] <rwscold> i am just messing
[09:08] <Fujitsu> 19 April.
[09:08] <barnetod> rws i think it is the official release
[09:08] <uwjames> 1 April actually
[09:08] <ianmacgregor> I remember that when Dapper was first released, there was a bug that kept the admin user password in plain text in a file on the hard drive. So, I wouldn't assume the final release of Edgy will be without severe problems. Might be best to wait a week or two.
[09:09] <boink> ian: good advice
[09:09] <boink> and dapper just works fine :)
[09:09] <ianmacgregor> boink: Exactly :)
[09:09] <rwscold> thats good advice for any update or anything from microsoft or linux for that matter
[09:09] <bimberi> ianmacgregor: that was Breezy actually
[09:09] <Neil3> dapper doesnt like my wifi card, edgy likes it, the first distro i've tried that actually works out of the box with it!
[09:09] <barnetod> lol so i wasting 700 megs of hard drive space now
[09:09] <barnetod> hahaha
[09:09] <lotusleaf> dapper dances with edgy and they laugh and giggle while the people swivel their heads like the animals on a carousel towards their nearest mirror
[09:09] <Boll> rwscold: only with Windows it's more like a year or so before the first service pack.
[09:09] <boink> and those poor servers ... just think how much they'll get pounded
[09:10] <FeistyFawn> a lot
[09:10] <ianmacgregor> bimberi: It was? I have been using Ubuntu for longer than I thought :)
[09:10] <rwscold> :)
[09:10] <sonics> can anyone tell me how I can update ysm to its newest version?
[09:10] <barnetod> burning it now
[09:10] <FeistyFawn> it costs mark a few hundred thousand pounds to pay for the bandwidth during release
[09:10] <rwscold> barnetod
[09:10] <bimberi> :)
[09:10] <sonics> seems like im unable to find out ;D
[09:10] <rwscold> look in the chan
[09:10] <Boll> sonics: apt-get update;apt-get install ysm
[09:10] <sonics> tnx
[09:10] <osama> FeistyFawn, wow
[09:11] <phire_NZ> I disapeared for a hour there, has it been released?
[09:11] <rwscold> mo
[09:11] <FeistyFawn> no
[09:11] <rwscold> no
[09:11] <uwjames> anyone see my glib 1.2.6 question by the way?  or did I miss the answer?
[09:11] <osama> shouldn't a newer version of apt use bittorrent ?
[09:11] <FeistyFawn> otherwise it would be in the topic
[09:11] <exhale> FeistyFawn, i better torrent it then :)
[09:11] <osama> would be nice...
[09:11] <Chousuke> So, hm.
[09:11] <elkbuntu> Could offtopic discussion please go to #ubuntu-offtopic. Thankyou :)
[09:12] <mnepton> osama: no way to ensure security
[09:12] <Boll> Someone should update /topic
[09:12] <Chousuke> How many people do you think will come on this channel and yell "EDGY RELEASED!" after the release?
[09:12] <Fujitsu> mnepton: There is, actually, as long as Packages is posted somewhere central...
[09:12] <FeistyFawn> Chousuke: too many
[09:12] <osama> mnepton, hashes?
[09:12] <barnetod> chou EDGY RELEASED!
[09:12] <Fujitsu> Chousuke: infinite numbers, probably... After what's happened before it releases...
[09:12] <Chousuke> :P
[09:12] <tzadikim> so, please excuse my ineptitude...im trying to install ubuntu on top of my windows xp and set up a dual boot...i've gotten the disc to load correctly, and it brings up the options menu, i select install ubuntu and it starts to get going, then flashes something about benig unable to something to device 3 (sorry, it flashes fast), the installation screen comes up and says it's loading...
[09:12] <tzadikim> ...essential drivers and mounting root file systems, my cdrom goes nuts for a minute, then my computer becomes unresponsive and nothing happens for like ten minutes...am i just not waiting long enough?
[09:12] <barnetod> im the channel guinea pig
[09:12] <barnetod> i downloaded the october 25th upload
[09:13] <barnetod> so we will see
[09:13] <FeistyFawn> LOL
[09:13] <barnetod> hope i can remember my router password lol
[09:13] <Fujitsu> What did you change, apokryphos?
[09:13] <osama> imagine this in your sources.list "deb torrent://tracker.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy main"  :)
[09:13] <apokryphos> Fujitsu: near the beginning =)
[09:14] <Fujitsu> That second bit?
[09:14] <Lathiat> tzadikim: i doubt it
[09:14] <exhale> how does one see the amount of ram left?
[09:14] <Lathiat> tzadikim: soudns like some kind if incompatability
[09:14] <osama> free
[09:14] <tzadikim> drat
[09:14] <tzadikim> ok
[09:14] <osama> exhale, free
[09:14] <exhale> osama, ?
[09:14] <ianmacgregor> Question: Once Edgy is finally released, this channel will become the support channel for Edgy, correct? If so, where do those of us still runing Dapper go for support?
[09:14] <cheesy> EDGY DAY ?
[09:14] <exhale> ah thanks
[09:15] <Fujitsu> ianmacgregor: You'll stay here.
[09:15] <Flannel> ianmacgregor: here still.
[09:15] <ianmacgregor> Ahh, cool :)
[09:15] <Fujitsu> ianmacgregor: It's the support channel for all current Ubuntu releases.
[09:15] <Flannel> ianmacgregor: all ubuntu versions except Warty (and Hoary, once edgy is released, I suppose) are supported here
[09:15] <ianmacgregor> Fujitsu: Ahh, good to know
[09:15] <warpforge> maybe #ubuntu-lts
[09:15] <Fujitsu> #ubuntu-reallyreallyold?
[09:15] <mnepton>  #ubuntique
[09:16] <Fujitsu> Haha, yes.
[09:16] <warpforge> #ubuntold
[09:16] <FeistyFawn> Flannel: hoary will be supported for 2 more days
[09:16] <ianmacgregor> Well, I don't actually come here for support anymore, I stay here to answer questions from others. So, I suppose I should install Edgy final in order to keep up to date on my support advice.
[09:16] <mnepton> i love you, jIRCii. that is all.
[09:16] <FeistyFawn> ianmacgregor: that would be useful :)
[09:17] <graymer> when is due, edgy?
[09:17] <Flannel> !ef
[09:17] <Fujitsu> !ef
[09:17] <ubotu> Edgy will be released around October 26th (*some* timezone) - we don't know at precisely what time of the day it will be finalized and published for download. Please be patient!
[09:17] <mnepton> graymer: "When It's Ready"(tm)
[09:17] <phire_NZ> whenevea
[09:17] <phire_NZ> *wheneva
[09:17] <graymer> :)
[09:17] <barnetod> it may be available now
[09:17] <rwscold> look lets just assume that the latest releas is most likely going to be basically the final
[09:17] <Fujitsu> barnetod: No.
[09:17] <apokryphos> tonyyarusso: still logging? It will get interesting =)
[09:17] <DBO> graymer, the ubuntu.com page says today... soooooo
[09:17] <barnetod> if what i downloaded is it
[09:17] <graymer> got my answer from ubotu
[09:17] <rwscold> thats very probable
[09:17] <cheesy> graymer -r
[09:17] <Fujitsu> rwscold: But it's not official.
[09:17] <mnepton> rwscold: not a safe assumption
[09:18] <FeistyFawn> rwscold: if they find a showstopper in the final hour, it will not be final
[09:18] <rwscold> whats safe who cares install it
[09:18] <osama> Oct 26, 23:59:59.9999 ( GMT-12 )
[09:18] <rwscold> if its not the final one then just update from withing
[09:18] <barnetod> hell no worse than a new service pack from ms
[09:18] <tonyyarusso> apokryphos: Yep, still here.
[09:18] <apokryphos> cool
[09:18] <tzadikim> so where should i go to read about compatibility issues?
[09:18] <tonyyarusso> apokryphos: (see tonyyserver)
[09:18] <barnetod> launching now
[09:18] <mnepton> rwscold: how do you know we didn't remove the first blocks from those .pool images to make them unbootable? you don't. so wait for release.
[09:18] <rwscold> GO BARNETOD
[09:19] <tonyyarusso> apokryphos: Results are updated every 15 minutes (http://www.tonyyarusso.is-a-geek.com/)