[00:00] <fedoralogger> JontheEchidna: please take a look at bug 212796
[00:00]  * fedoralogger doesnt think we should set that
[00:00] <fedoralogger> also ctrl+alt+arrow is used in various apps
[00:20] <maco> fedoralogger: what does? O_o
[00:22] <fedoralogger> *shrug*
[00:22] <fedoralogger> I have a feeling I use that shortcut at times
[00:23] <fedoralogger> or used maybe
[00:23] <maco> ctrl+alt+arrows is what compiz uses
[00:23] <maco> ive never *heard* of it colliding with anything
[00:23] <fedoralogger> compiz collieds with all sorts of things
[00:23] <fedoralogger> mostly it just stays unnoticed :P
[00:24] <fedoralogger> i.e. it used to collide with ooo for years on some rather unused shortcut
[00:24]  * Sput has been using ctrl+alt+arrows for desktop switching for a decade
[00:24] <fedoralogger> hm
[00:24] <Sput> can't remember it ever having collide
[00:24] <Sput> d
[00:24] <maco> yeah the non-default plugins sometimes do
[00:24] <fedoralogger> in that case
[00:24] <fedoralogger> lets bring it to upstreams attention!
[00:24] <maco> but the desktop switch ive never heard of a collision
[00:24] <maco> ooo does WEIRD shortcuts, btw. try F11. it's NOT fullscreen! wtf?
[00:25] <fedoralogger> f11 is not fullscreen in a lot of kde apps either :P
[00:25] <maco> do those ones *have* fullscreen at all?
[00:27] <maco> for OOo, f11 is "styles" and fullscreen is something else that doesnt fit any hig that im aware of
[00:29] <Sput> F11 was styles already back when it was still Star Office
[00:29] <Sput> which predates KDE :)
[00:31] <Sput> hm. now I feel old again.
[00:31]  * fedoralogger wants a machine that goes "bing"
[00:37] <maco> wow
[00:37] <maco> thats old
[00:37] <maco> i was a gnome user when i noticed the f11 weirdness. gnome and i think kde both say f11=fullscreen, and windows does too i'm sure
[00:38] <fedoralogger> maco: I do not think KDE's hig says f11 for fullscreen
[00:38] <maco> i'll go look
[00:38] <fedoralogger> if so then I would know more apps that violate that guideline than those following it ^^
[00:38] <maco> i was assuming it since it seems to be default elsewhere
[00:39] <maco> http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Usability/HIG/Keyboard_Shortcuts
[00:39] <maco> yes, the hig says fullscreen = f11
[00:41] <fedoralogger> konsole doesnt follow that
[00:41] <fedoralogger> neither does kaffeine, dragon or bangaran IIRC
[00:41] <fedoralogger> in fact only konqueror and rekonq come to mind regarding f11 for fullscreen
[00:41] <fedoralogger> though those also support ctrl+shift+f IIRC,
[00:42] <fedoralogger> which seems to be more an established standard than f11
[00:42] <fedoralogger> krdc also does use ctrl+shift+f and not f11
[00:43] <fedoralogger> same for okular
[00:44] <fedoralogger> seele: ^ I think the f11 for shortcut paradigm should either be enforced within core KDE software or exchanged with ctrl+shift+f
[00:45] <fedoralogger> latter seems to be the better choice because konsole for example cant use f11 at any rate because it might conflict with CLI shortcuts
[04:18] <nixternal> whew, so good to be back home
[04:18] <nixternal> I am going to sleep for 2 days I think
[07:57] <Mamarok> what -dbg package do I have to install to get a valid backtrace for Dolphin? I have repeated crashes when copying
[08:00] <Mamarok> there is non for dolphin, shouldn't there be one?
[08:00] <Mamarok> none*
[08:00] <corigo> Loaded 4.4.1 on 9.10 (Kubuntu_64) and now my workspace is crashing on login. Black desktop with no UI
[08:01] <persia> Are there dbgsym ddebs?
[08:01] <persia> If there's *neither* -dbg nor ddebs, it's an issue, but often there are ddebs when there is no -dbg
[08:05] <Mamarok> persia: ddebs? Never heard of :)
[08:07] <persia> They're all housed at http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/
[08:07] <persia> I'll give you a wiki page if I can find it that talks about them.
[08:08] <persia> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DebuggingProgramCrash
[08:11] <Mamarok> persia: thanks a lot :)
[08:59] <Tonio_> sebas: hey :)
[08:59] <corigo> Seeing this bug all over again on 4.4.1 on Ubuntu_64_9.10 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=225341
[08:59] <Tonio_> sebas: I found out a little bug in the plasmoid
[09:00] <Tonio_> sebas: as some points when it starts up, I see the list of all available networks, and the button on the bottom shows "show more", which means I should only see the known networks
[09:00] <Tonio_> I have to click on show more, then show less, and then I get something "normal"
[09:00] <Tonio_> I'll take a screenshot next time it happens...
[09:30] <fedoralogger> Mamarok: kdebase-dbg
[10:19] <Mamarok> fedoralogger: thanks, I just added all -dbg packages for the base system
[10:37] <markey> gah gah
[10:38] <markey> the new Nvidia driver really hates me
[10:38] <markey> crashed again :(
[10:38] <markey> oh well, restarting KDE once in a while fixes memory leaks nicely ;)
[10:38] <markey> fedoralogger: heh, what's up with your nick? :)
[10:44] <markey> feel like reading some FUD? it is pretty nasty, so maybe better not read it: http://sandeep.wordpress.com/2010/03/21/ubuntu-lucid-worst-ever-kde-4-4-1-slowest-ever/
[10:44] <markey> "Instead what we have is an OS with a weird unusable theme"
[10:44] <markey> it didn't look unsable to me
[10:45] <markey> unusable even
[10:50]  * jussi01 giglles at that article... surely he cant be serious...
[10:53] <fedoralogger> sure he can!
[10:53] <fedoralogger> markey: nixternal unveild that I was secretly in love with fedora, so now I am fedora developer
[10:53] <markey> ah, heh
[10:54] <markey> a double agent
[10:54] <fedoralogger> not anymore
[10:54] <markey> I secretly work on XMMS, btw
[10:54] <fedoralogger> xmms2 is the gnome!
[10:54] <fedoralogger> wants to install a billion packages
[10:54] <markey> nah, the _real_ XMMS, version 0.6
[10:54] <markey> all later versions were crap
[10:55] <markey> it's my favorite player
[10:55] <markey> it's funny to try pushing the fixed size buttons on a display with high DPI :p
[10:56] <fedoralogger> hm
[10:56] <fedoralogger> is xmms written in C?
[10:56] <fedoralogger> if so I could join you... that cpp business is getting annoying :P
[10:58] <fedoralogger> latest newsgroup posting is about whether instance N of class A ought to delete instance B of class C, even though B is not on the heap and not even created by N
[10:59] <jussi01> fedoralogger: shhh, you are making us look insane... oh whoops :P
[11:00] <fedoralogger> srsly
[11:00] <fedoralogger> "should I, as fedora developer, delete opensuse's kde 3 kdelibs?"
[11:00] <jussi01> o.O
[11:01] <fedoralogger> same thing
[11:37] <fedoralogger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuExtras
[11:37] <fedoralogger> always them things no one knows about
[11:57] <robinp> I'm trying to install kdevelop from the ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta repository however KPackageKit seems to keep getting stuck on downloading vlagrind. Anyone know what the problem might be ?
[11:58] <robinp> *valgrind
[11:58] <Riddell> stuck in what way?
[12:01] <robinp> Riddell: you jinxed me. It was just not downloading but as soon as you said something it started working again :/
[12:05] <Riddell> robinp: beta was out recently so I think the servers have been busy
[12:05] <robinp> Riddell: kk np
[12:20] <markey> fedoralogger: yes, XMMS is C, but I plan to implement a C compiler in Ruby, and then put it in there, and then make the C compiler run a Ruby interpreter. that seems to be a simple solution
[12:20] <markey> I like simple solutions
[12:20] <markey> possibly also adding Visual Basic support
[12:21] <Mamarok> markey: could I has GW Basic, too?
[12:21] <markey> good idea!
[12:21] <markey> of course
[12:21] <Mamarok> and maybe dBase?
[12:21]  * Mamarok knows dBase
[12:22] <markey> but we have to remove music playing. that's rather useless anyway
[12:22] <Mamarok> yeah, what was that for again?
[12:22] <markey> a silly idea, nothing more
[12:23] <markey> ultimately, I also want to put KMail in XMMS
[12:23] <markey> it could fit nicely in the playlist
[12:30] <Mamarok> markey: to play mails?
[12:33] <Riddell> how do I link a bug in launchpad to a KDE bug?
[12:34] <Riddell> hum, seemed to work now
[12:37] <ScottK> markey: They guy with the blog post was pointing at a bug about the Ubuntu theme while he was complaining about Kubuntu, so clearly he's confused.
[12:38] <ScottK> I do think there's a point about slowness with nepomuk or something.  4.4 is a lot slower on 1GB RAM than 4.3 was.
[12:40] <markey> ScottK: yep, the blog seemed rather bizarre. I wouldn't take it too seriously :)
[12:40] <ScottK> I considered leaving a sarcastic comment, but that would only lend it credence.
[12:47] <Riddell> ooh CDs don't have icon cache on them today and down to 661MB (even with french and german installed), nice
[13:01] <ghostcube> o/
[13:16] <Riddell> agateau: I uploaded oxygen with nepomuk icon also in hicolour
[13:21] <Riddell> markey (agateau): how do I read this http://gitorious.org/amarok/amarok/commit/4089c5848702367146b7b441a1347be1720f9ee2
[13:21] <Riddell> there's nothing saying what red or green means
[13:24] <shadeslayer> ok um.. the network management widget... it cant detect wifi networks,this is via the kubuntu experimental ppa
[13:25] <Riddell> is the kded enabled?
[13:25] <markey> Riddell: yeah, the colors are confusing. Red = removed. The green line is what stayed
[13:25] <markey> Riddell: I only removed the block above
[13:26] <markey> I can't even see the colors properly without shifting my screen slightly
[13:26] <markey> (I'm minimally color blind, and the colors they chose are probably the worst possible)
[13:26] <markey> Riddell: wait, I can show you a much better diff
[13:26] <markey> sec
[13:27] <markey> Riddell:
[13:27] <markey> http://kollide.net:8060/browse/Amarok-git/src/TrayIcon.cpp?r1=92cac9cfd40f67cc9c205a8ce3adba74e0343b10&r2=4089c5848702367146b7b441a1347be1720f9ee2
[13:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: the load on demand service one? nope
[13:30] <Riddell> markey: looks like we already have that in then, slotScrollRequired is just the one line http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/amarok/ubuntu/annotate/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu/05_kstatusnotifieritem.diff
[13:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: well, there you go
[13:32] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you plan on uploading kde4libs today?
[13:33] <Riddell> ScottK: nothing currently kde4libs-ish on my todo
[13:34] <markey> Riddell: yep, looks OK
[13:34] <ScottK> Riddell: OK. Jon Thomas put some worthwhile stuff in bzr.  I'll maybe take a look at uploading this afternoon if no one else does first.
[13:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: so how do i enable it?
[13:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer: instructions are in the original e-mail i sent to kubuntu-devel
[13:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ok ill have to pull that out :D
[13:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you tell me which month you sent the email?
[13:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2010-March/004137.html
[13:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ah ok...i was browsing from the jaunary version
[13:42] <Riddell> dantti: ping
[13:42] <Riddell> kubuntu-devel-03-13.txt:[08:04] <glatzor> Riddell, I made some bug fixes to the 0.5.X branch of packagekit which are worth cherry picking.
[13:42] <dantti> Riddell: pong
[13:42] <Riddell> kubuntu-devel-03-13.txt:[08:04] <glatzor> Riddell, especially the fixes to the search and the encoding handling
[13:42] <Riddell> dantti: do you know where I can find those ^^
[13:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: thanks :D
[13:43] <dantti> Riddell: afaik it's about the last Pk version released today...
[13:44] <maco> um did knetworkmanager explode yesterday? i dont think i installed any updates for it (just for quassel) in the last week though...
[13:44] <dantti> Riddell: btw what do you think it's more important for aptcc, install .deb files or get distro upgrades?
[13:45] <Riddell> dantti: ah, there's a packagekit 0.5.8 which isn't listed on http://www.packagekit.org/pk-download.html
[13:46] <dantti> yup
[13:46] <Riddell> dantti: in lucid we're using kpackagekit for distro upgrade (karmic too although the update-notifier-kde is the main one) so we'd need to keep that
[13:46] <Riddell> install .deb files we can keep using our install-package script even though it's been on our list of things to get rid of for some time
[13:47] <Riddell> in general glatzor and mvo still need to be convinced about aptcc though, they know more about the issues than I do but I don't think they're convinced by it yet
[13:47] <dantti> Riddell: hmm but afaik python apt can install files..
[13:47] <Riddell> of course if you come to UDS you can convince them :)
[13:48] <Riddell> dantti: yes kpackagekit can install .deb files using python apt backend which is nice, but mostly we havn't got around to porting things to using it yet
[13:49] <dantti> hehe, well I conviced myself this weekend while installing packages on a notebook with 1gb of ram.. :P
[13:49] <Riddell> dantti: I think kpackagekit can't do "apt-get update" which is needed for software-properties-kde and is another reason we can't get rid of our install-package script
[13:49] <dantti> Riddell: why It can't?
[13:50] <dantti> python apt does it (or did) the wrong way, since it didn't get localization of package descriptions
[13:50] <dantti> Riddell: btw did they fixed this issue in newer versions?
[13:51] <dantti> that was one of the first things aptcc did... :P
[13:51] <Riddell> dantti: why it can't do "apt-get update"?  I don't think there's a command line for it is all, software-properties-kde needs a graphical way to call apt-get update
[13:51] <Riddell> dantti: I don't know, I've not looked into package translations
[13:52] <dantti> Riddell: I'm confused do you need a cmd line like kpackagekit --refresh-cache?
[13:52] <Riddell> dantti: yes
[13:53] <dantti> Riddell: that's quite easy to do.. :P iirc there is a dbus object for that too which one do you prefer?
[13:53] <Riddell> dantti: probably just a command line is easiest
[13:54] <dantti> org.kde.KPackageKitSmartIcon there is a RefreshCache but I can add a cmd line..
[13:54] <dantti> s/there is/has
[13:55] <Riddell> dantti: nothing here   qdbus org.kde.KPackageKitSmartIcon /org/freedesktop/PackageKit | grep -i cache
[13:55] <dantti> Riddell: is it running?
[13:55] <dantti> it's dbus activated
[13:56] <Riddell> dantti: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/n8rt8GbN yes
[13:56] <dantti> weird it's there for quite a while..
[13:56] <dantti> Riddell: ah no there are two interfaces
[13:57] <dantti> that one is shared with gnome packagekit
[13:58] <Riddell> dantti: where is the other?
[13:59] <dantti> Riddell: if you open with qdbusviewer you will see
[13:59] <dantti> I'm trying to use this qdbus but no lucky yet
[14:00] <dantti> Riddell: qdbus org.kde.KPackageKitSmartIcon /
[14:01] <dantti> Riddell: no, qdbus org.kde.KPackageKitSmartIcon / org.kde.KPackageKitSmartIcon.RefreshCache
[14:01] <Riddell> ah "/"  dbus can be confusing
[14:02] <Riddell> dantti: that's not quite what I'm after, the only GUI there is the systray icon, I'd like a dialogue with a progress bar
[14:02] <dantti> the only problem is what i've told you, you should check if python apt is now downloading the packages localizations..
[14:02] <Riddell> dantti: this isn't high priority of course, we have install-package and it works for now :)
[14:02] <dantti> hmm
[14:03] <dantti> well that's easy to add too.. I'll just talk with richard what he thinks on adding it to gpk too
[14:03] <dantti> this way any pk tool could do it
[14:12] <shadeslayer> upgrades...yayyy
[14:15] <maco> possibly knm just freaks out if you've pressed the rf kill button at some point? ive had "networking is disabled" coming from it since i pressed that switch yesterday, through 4 reboots
[14:16] <Riddell> maco: neither network-manager nor knetworkmanager have been updated since a week before beta
[14:17] <maco> ok then i think i found a bug in knm
[14:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: choqok released their beta version,will this get into the repo?
[14:17] <shadeslayer> ( the main one )
[14:17] <maco> it refuses to use network devices after the rf kill switch has been used, *evar*
[14:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer: if someone packages it, gets it tested and it passes feature freze requirements
[14:17]  * shadeslayer thinks....
[14:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh and kcm touchpad is very buggy
[14:18] <Riddell> maco: try killing it and rm ~/.kde/share/config/networkmanagementrc then restarting
[14:18] <Riddell> that'll tell us if it's knetworkmanager's fault or network-manager
[14:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: apparently tapping works in KDM but not after logging in
[14:19] <maco> Riddell: is that gonna lose all my saved wpa keys?
[14:20] <Riddell> maco: they should be in kwallet but it may lose other details, move it aside rather than remove it if you care about them
[15:08] <maco> ew battery level tooltips in ubuntu went away?
[15:08] <maco> ScottK, seele: thanks for convincing me to switch to kubuntu
[15:08] <ScottK> ;-)
[15:11] <nigelb> maco: I might switch.  I'm missing that quite a lot
[15:51] <dpm> Riddell, in Catalan we'd like to have the 'ca@valencia' translations in the same language pack as 'ca', as in the gnome language pack. I still have to check if other teams using variants also prefer to have it like this. But in any case, how can we do this, shall I just open a bug?
[16:44] <fedoralogger> dpm: shoulnt that be done in rosetta/lang-pack build scripts?
[16:48] <dpm> hi fedoralogger, it actually is, but there is a bit missing. Kubuntu translations are a bit different in the sense that apart from the translations in language packs, they need the kde-l10n-$LOCALE packages installed as well. This is the part I meant: having the kde-l10n-$LOCALE and kde-l10n-$LOCALE-variant packages merged into one (I think that part is the one the kubuntu packaging tools do)
[16:48] <fedoralogger> hm
[16:48] <fedoralogger> dpm: in that case language-selector should map ca@valencia to ca
[16:49] <fedoralogger> because doing it in the source package would make them a lot more difficult to manipulate via scripting magic
[16:52] <jussi01> fedoralogger: that nick really doesnt suit you... can we have our apachelogger back? :D
[16:53] <dpm> fedoralogger, well if it has to make packaging more difficult, we might as well leave them as they are. I just wanted to ensure that they are installed with the main locale's packages, since I remember we had problems with that not being the case at some point in Karmic. I'll just have to re-check that they are indeed installed together.
[16:54] <fedoralogger> dpm: making langauge-selector install kde-l10n-ca and kde-l10n-cavalencia if the ca language pack is a lot easier to archive and ultimately leads to the same result
[16:55] <apachelogger> I read Harald's last post about Kubuntu. It's good to see that the situation is being finally acknowledged by some of the people in the Kubuntu team.  I just need to re-check it is the case on a new Lucid installation.
[16:59] <apachelogger> k
[17:01] <nixternal> apachelogger: yeah, i read that and commented, as he said I was in denial about the blue-headed-step-child ordeal. does he not realize that I coined that term on buntudot.org in 2005
[17:02] <apachelogger> his blog posts are always heavily undereducated and a big blah IIRC
[17:02] <maco> wait im confused
[17:02] <maco> i thought apachelogger = harald
[17:02] <maco> apachelogger: whats your name?
[17:04] <apachelogger> maco: it continues that previously the team was in denial referencing rich's post about the step-child business
[17:04] <apachelogger> whereas I am not in denial because I obviously unveild canonical's evil game!
[17:05] <maco> apachelogger: are you not harald, or do you like referring to yourself in the 3rd person?
[17:05] <apachelogger> maco: that was a quote
[17:05] <maco> apachelogger: ooooooh
[17:06] <apachelogger> http://soliverez.com.ar/drupal/node/166
[17:12] <apachelogger> shtylman: it took me half an hour to start installation on a dell mini 10 today
[17:12] <apachelogger> couldnt find out why since I was running in installer-only mode
[17:30] <debfx> could someone test an updated brightness osd patch that should bring it back to life? :)
[17:30] <debfx> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~debfx/kdebase-workspace/ubuntu/annotate/head%3A/debian/patches/kubuntu_101_brightness_fn_keys_and_osd.diff
[17:31] <debfx> mainly I need to know if the osd isn't shown when the brightness is changed through the battery applet
[17:32] <shadeslayer> oh btw just so that you know : https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/541868 : i changed this to kcm-touchpad
[18:25] <lex79> Riddell: soprano 2.4.1 https://launchpad.net/~alessandro-ghersi/+archive/ppa
[18:38] <shtylman> apachelogger: jesus... really? is this with latest cd images?
[18:38] <apachelogger> shtylman: no, beta1 from stick
[18:38] <shtylman> wow
[18:38] <apachelogger> but it has been like that earlier too
[18:38] <shtylman> was it using alot of cpu?
[18:38] <shtylman> what was the problem?
[18:39] <shtylman> ram?
[18:39] <apachelogger> I would think CPU really, I cant tell, I'll try to reproduce it tomorrow
[18:39] <apachelogger> there was no usb nor disk acitivity
[18:39] <apachelogger> so it either was cpu or ram
[18:39] <shtylman> hmm... cpu bug should have been fixed
[18:39] <shtylman> maybe the package didn't make it for the beta
[18:39] <shtylman> but should have
[18:39] <apachelogger> I can try with latest image if you want
[18:40] <shtylman> yea... try that... cause it deff should not be like that
[19:08] <shtylman> anyone have any good suggestions for open source tools to do widespread file distribution?
[19:08] <shtylman> basically a glorified rsync maybe?
[19:13] <shadeslayer> shtylman: torrents :P
[19:13] <shadeslayer> jk :D
[19:14] <shtylman> well.. yes... that is one possibility... : http://github.com/lg/murder/
[19:14] <shtylman> but... I don't think I need something on that level
[19:15] <shadeslayer> shtylman: theres was something called opencloud...
[19:15] <shadeslayer> but idk if it works for sharing files and stuff
[19:15] <shtylman> I see
[19:16] <shadeslayer> shtylman: its ownCloud actually
[19:16] <shadeslayer> shtylman: http://gitorious.org/owncloud/
[19:17] <shtylman> k... I will have to check that out
[19:17] <shadeslayer> shtylman: yeah its a cloud server... enables file sharing and stuff.. *and* its based on kde libs
[19:17] <shtylman> that part I don't really care about :)
[19:18] <apachelogger> why would a server be based on kdelibs?
[19:18] <shtylman> sounds like a webserver with ssh to me
[19:18] <shadeslayer> hehe...well its going to be integrated into kde... so thats just an added advantage i guess
[19:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: idk...
[19:18] <shtylman> not what I want
[19:18] <shadeslayer> i heard about it a few weeks ago..
[19:19] <shadeslayer> shtylman: well use the open bit-torrent tracker then :D
[19:19] <apachelogger> shtylman: my analysis tools say it is not even containing any cpp
[19:19] <apachelogger> so I doubt it is based on kdelibs
[19:19] <apachelogger> you might be misinformed
[19:20] <shadeslayer> yeah probably....
[19:20] <shadeslayer> ok well ive gtg..
[19:20] <shadeslayer> bye :)
[19:37] <ScottK> Is amarok going to be patched to support the Ubuntu music store? http://popey.com/blog/2010/03/22/ubuntu-one-music-store-public-beta-begins/
[19:37] <maco> ScottK: there's a plugin already in existence, i thought?
[19:37] <ScottK> maco: For amarok?
[19:37] <maco> yeah... ithought one of popey's older blog posts said that
[19:39] <JontheEchidna> I think he was more talking about potential for a plugin
[19:40] <nixternal> right, there is no plugin yet, unless apachelogger has it hiding somewhere
[19:40] <jjesse> has anyone got ubuntu one to work in kubuntu lucid?
[19:41] <jjesse> i installed everything named ubuntuone on my vm and still no joy
[19:41]  * apachelogger strips naked
[19:41] <apachelogger> nothing hiden!
[19:41] <nixternal> haven't tried.... apachelogger had put together a hack/app to get u1 in kubuntu
[19:41]  * ScottK dons goggles.
[19:41]  * apachelogger needs to apply at canonical first
[19:41] <nixternal> apachelogger: +1 :)
[19:42] <jjesse> i got it to work in karmic at one time
[19:42] <maco> JontheEchidna: yeah youre right
[19:42] <nixternal> Ubuntu Desktop Display and Input Engineer - Xorg
[19:42] <nixternal> Ubuntu Desktop Display and Input Engineer (Network)
[19:42] <nixternal> Ubuntu Desktop Engineer - GTK
[19:42] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger + job at canonical + year's supply of alcohol == ruby code to generate Ubuntu One Music plugin for all music players
[19:42] <nixternal> Ubuntu Desktop Sound Engineer
[19:42] <nixternal> apachelogger: ^^ any of those fit?
[19:43] <apachelogger> I could get cracking with GTK
[19:43]  * apachelogger loves c anyway :D
[19:43] <apachelogger> then again that kind of GTK engineer must only do python
[19:43] <nixternal> that's what kubuntu devs in the past did...once they realized there was no potential for employment, they started using gnome
[19:43] <apachelogger> ^^
[19:43] <jjesse> hahaha
[19:43] <jjesse> +1 nixternal
[19:43] <apachelogger> I can always apply at kdab :P
[19:44] <apachelogger> move away from that silly stepchild stuff all together
[19:44] <apachelogger> then again
[19:44] <yuriy_> is it just me or is there no way to put a plasmoid (nemely the message indicator) in the systray?
[19:44] <ScottK> jjesse: After I upgraded my netbook from Karmic -> Lucid I lost the Broadcom wireless drivers and had to reinstall them.
[19:45] <apachelogger> I recently got scared quite a bit when I saw how many KDE devs are working for kdab these days
[19:45] <jjesse> ScottK: jockey says they are enabled
[19:45] <apachelogger> yuriy_: only possible in lucid
[19:45] <ScottK> OK.  Different than the problem I had.
[19:45] <jjesse> will try to reinstall tonight when get home
[19:45] <jjesse> the drivers that is
[19:46] <nixternal> i think for most of us here now, we aren't looking for employment with canonical, and have just come to love Kubuntu so much
[19:48] <apachelogger> love aint gonna pay bills though
[19:48] <apachelogger> neither is proofing leibniz right
[19:48] <apachelogger> yet I have to do it -.-
[19:48] <ScottK> They say that love will find a way ....
[19:48] <maco> :P
[19:51] <nixternal> hahaha
[19:51] <nixternal> what's love got to do, got to do with it
[19:51] <nixternal> who needs a heart when a heart can be broken
[19:51] <maco> meatloaf time yet? so now i'm prayin for the end of time..
[19:54] <nixternal> what's love but a second hand emotion
[19:54] <nixternal> damn, tina turner makes you wanna go all ike turner on this place :p
[19:55] <apachelogger> oh my, better help me find my notes on congruence classes or whatever those might be called in english :P
[19:55] <nixternal> hehe
[19:55] <nixternal> right now I am trying to design, well not design yet but figure out, a much better help system
[19:56] <nixternal> KHelpCenter blows arse, and after hanging out with Shaun McCance this weekend and seeing what he is doing with Yelp 3.0 for GNOME, I am envious
[19:56] <apachelogger> rm -rf khelpecenter => 100% improvement
[19:56] <nixternal> and then to see what Mac has done for help, holy hell that was bad ass
[19:56] <nixternal> apachelogger: yup
[19:56] <nixternal> rm -rf khtml too
[19:57] <apachelogger> nixternal: I would go derive the qt help thingy and build up on that
[19:57] <JontheEchidna> bbl
[19:57] <nixternal> seriously, khtml codebase is so freakin' confusing, that I would rather write an entire documentation implementation for webkit
[19:57] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9dpTTpjymE
[19:57] <nixternal> apachelogger: qt-assistance is garbage too
[19:57] <apachelogger> nixternal: well, so it needs fixing and khc needs fixing
[19:58] <nixternal> a help app shouldn't need to be full screen with an insanely large index on the left side...Yelp is compact, so you can see around it
[19:58] <nixternal> apachelogger: and that's what I have been playing with, though fixing isn't the word I would use
[19:58] <nixternal> hell, I wouldn't even recycle this crap, forget mother earth on this one, she can have it!
[19:58] <apachelogger> omg!!!
[19:58] <apachelogger> but khc got fancy perl scripting internals :P
[19:59]  * apachelogger finds that the most weird part about khc really
[19:59] <apachelogger> though I can see its advantages
[19:59] <apachelogger> well
[19:59] <apachelogger> the once it had at some point for a developer ^^
[19:59] <nixternal> this weekend we also had the Flourish Open Source conference, and they had a Women In Open Source panel with one of BSDs leaders, which I have just totally forgotten her name...I am waiting for the video because I missed it, but I heard it was an amazing talk/panel
[20:00] <nixternal> apachelogger: perl scripting and shell scripting, and hell even scripting with c++
[20:00] <nixternal> "meinproc << "--xslt foo.xsl" << "--outfile foo.html" << "--cache index.cache.bz2";
[20:01] <apachelogger> In computer science, it is the remainder operator that is usually indicated by either "%" (e.g. in C, Java, Javascript, and Python) or "mod" (e.g. in SQL, Visual Basic, Haskell), with exceptions (e.g. Excel). These operators are commonly pronounced as "mod", but it is specifically a remainder that is computed (since in C99 negative number will be returned if the first argument is negative, and in Python a negative number will be returned
[20:01] <apachelogger>  if the second argument is negative). The function modulo instead of mod, like 38 ≡ 14 (modulo 12) is sometimes used to indicate the common residue rather than a remainder (e.g. in Ruby).
[20:01] <apachelogger> yay
[20:01] <yuriy_> apachelogger: i'm on lucid. i can't seem to drag it in there or anything
[20:01] <yuriy_> oh you have to do it in teh systray settings
[20:01] <yuriy_> unintuitive
[20:02] <apachelogger> on Z/nZ : a_n+b+n=(a+b)_n
[20:02] <apachelogger> that actually makes sense
[20:02] <apachelogger> yuriy_: no draggery
[20:02] <apachelogger> yuriy_: well, the plasma devs where wicked in applying their containment paradigm everywhere
[20:02] <apachelogger> but they forgot about one rather important part where you could drag stuff ;)
[20:02] <yuriy_> everything else in plasma is draggery
[20:02] <apachelogger> fail of paradigm obviously
[20:03] <apachelogger> they should have derived :P
[20:04] <yuriy_> now the other issue is that now that it's in the systray it gives me a message about needing to run an indicator enabled app even though i have kmail running and configured to use it
[20:05] <nixternal> anyone hiring a "realistic unmotivated opportunistic"?
[20:05] <nixternal> I think that should be an eminem song
[20:08] <yuriy_> it scares me that my computer would be completely unusable right now without quad core
[20:08] <yuriy_> top is showing consistently 6-10 processes with double digit cpu usage
[20:12] <seele> Nightrose: love the streak in your hair..is that new?
[20:13] <Nightrose> seele: ;-) old actually
[20:13] <Nightrose> should do it again
[20:13] <seele> hehe
[20:13]  * maco wonders if a coloured streak of hair will be come kde gal uniform
[20:13] <Nightrose> definitely
[20:13] <Nightrose> it's hip!
[20:13] <maco> afaik there are no photos of me with punk rock red hair in existence
[20:13] <Nightrose> awwww
[20:14] <maco> mum failed *miserably* at making streaks
[21:52] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: seen kde svn 1105780?
[21:53] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yes I requested
[21:53] <JontheEchidna> neat
[21:53] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: feel free to try creating a patch for akonadi 1.3.1
[21:53] <apachelogger> because trunk is not even remotely related to 1.3.1 :P
[21:53] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: neoclust might have done that already though
[21:55] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.com/QtiqB11A
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: know where mdv hides all their packaging goodies?
[21:55] <apachelogger> in their svn :P
[21:55] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: also we need another patch for updates it seems
[21:55] <apachelogger> I do hate mysql very much
[21:56] <apachelogger> it is like the python of databases -.-
[21:56] <JontheEchidna> what is the patch you pastebin'd
[21:56] <JontheEchidna> ?
[21:57] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: for new databases
[21:57] <JontheEchidna> "make things not break for new databases"?
[21:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yes
[21:58] <JontheEchidna> and then we'll still need a patch for "make existing databases not break"?
[21:58] <apachelogger> yes
[21:59] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: but please try that first
[21:59] <JontheEchidna> k
[21:59] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: volker did a fix yesterday and neoclust only did that backport attemt
[21:59] <apachelogger> also
[21:59] <apachelogger> ALSO
[21:59] <apachelogger> a) someone needs to subscribe to kde-pim ml because they apparently want to start a akonadi deployment issue thread
[21:59] <apachelogger> b) akonadi might gain sqlite support
[21:59] <apachelogger> c) I still hate mysql, can we please use psql?
[22:00] <JontheEchidna> sounds like you're the expert. I don't know much about such things
[22:03] <apachelogger> meh
[22:03] <JontheEchidna> anywayz, pbuildin'
[22:05] <ScottK> It's a given that apachelogger is the expert.  The question is can he be motivated to bring his awesomeness to bear on the problem.
[22:07] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: ftbfs
[22:08] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: logy
[22:08] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: http://pastebin.ca/1849720
[22:12] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: happy debugging
[22:12] <apachelogger> me recommends building outside pbuilder first ;)
[23:03] <apachelogger> jtechidna: it seems that paste thingy returns invalid patches
[23:03] <apachelogger> manual patching seems to work
[23:03] <apachelogger> compiling outside pbuilder now
[23:06] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/kubuntu_01_fix_init.diff
[23:14] <apachelogger> jtechidna: works like a charm
[23:22] <jtechidna> apachelogger: neat
[23:22]  * JontheEchidna in windoze playing sim city 3000
[23:22] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the update_db patch can probably be incorportaed into that
[23:22] <apachelogger> ALSO
[23:22] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: we need major changes to the mysql packages going with that
[23:23] <apachelogger> the two scripts depend on quite a bit of magic and must be moved to the -core package


[07:33] <tsimonq2> I did
[07:33] <tsimonq2> I'm sorry
[07:33] <tsimonq2> It's not an EMERGENCY
[07:33] <tsimonq2> Carry on
[07:33] <tsimonq2> (Sorry again)
[17:20] <padv> Can someone activate my Ubuntu member freenode cloak for https://launchpad.net/~pascal-devuyst
[17:20] <padv> Thanks in advance
[18:02] <hggdh> padv: an Ubuntu cloak requires you to be an Ubuntu Member -- see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[18:03] <hggdh> padv: but you are not an Ubuntu member. Please read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/NewMember for details on requirements and application
[18:04] <hggdh> padv: after you become a member, then you can request a ubuntu/member/padv cloak, and we will be happy to give you one.


[10:52] <mparillo> Here? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2023-May/thread.html#42560
[12:12] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:53] <ahoneybun[m]> Heyo BluesKaj and happy late birthday valorie
[13:02] <BluesKaj> hey ahoneybun[m]
[18:20] <sheytan> mmikowski: How does this work for Ubuntu out fo the box (without even fprint config to what it shlould use - password or finger print) and not for Kubuntu?
[19:42] <mmikowski> sheytan: Unfortunately, I do not know the intricacies of the Ubuntu Gnome config. However, given they have the same basic libs, either Gnome is pre-configured to use fprint, or they have used a gnome-specific lib to implement. If it is the former, then the fprint tutorials should work. If you are motivated, you can investigate what stack is in use.
[19:42] <mmikowski> If you report it back here, I or others might be able to upstream changes to make it work in Kubuntu by default too.
[21:00] -queuebot:#kubuntu-devel- Builds: Upgrade Kubuntu amd64 [Mantic Daily] (20230505) has been added
[21:01] -queuebot:#kubuntu-devel- Builds: Upgrade Kubuntu i386 [Mantic Daily] (20230505) has been added
[23:35] <valorie> ahoneybun[m]: thank you! celebrations are ongoing all of May :-)
[23:36] <valorie> are we a go on Mantic? Email went out asking, called "Question to flavours: touch-base on flavour participation for 23.10!"


[01:41] <stgraber> anyone desktopy around who would be kind enough to fix indicator-power to stop bringing all of click, click-apparmor, ... on all Ubuntu desktop installs?
[01:42] <stgraber> (that's before I just go and revert the package by hand breaking the daily release stuff in the process)
[01:47] <stgraber> I'll upload the revert in 15min.
[02:09] <cyphermox> stgraber: still around?
[02:09] <cyphermox> mountall: mount /sys/fs/pstore [338] terminated with status 32
[02:09] <cyphermox> mountall: Filesystem could not be mounted: /sys/fs/pstore
[02:09] <cyphermox> do you know what this is? ^^^
[02:10] <cyphermox> stgraber: please hold off if it's not too late
[02:10] <cyphermox> (re indicator-power
[02:13] <didrocks> stgraber: what are you trying to fix exactly?
[02:13] <didrocks> does it impact the dashboard/user experience?
[02:13] <didrocks> we have click in main, so it's not an issue with main/universe
[02:13] <didrocks> the next iso should build successfully, right?
[02:13] <didrocks> even if click isn't that useful yet on the desktop
[02:16] <Noskcaj> roaksoax, kirkland: Perhaps we should make testdrive community run rather than canonical run, since it's not canonical maintained or in "main"
[02:17] <Noskcaj> Plus i've found a guy who's willing to convert it to gtk3
[02:18] <jbicha> testdrive is not run by canonical
[02:19] <roaksoax> Noskcaj: it is community run nobody pays us to work on it
[02:19] <roaksoax> i did it on my own free time
[02:19] <Noskcaj> roaksoax, sorry, remove the canonical copyright
[02:19] <cyphermox> stgraber: ignore my question about pstore, I just saw your lxc upload
[02:20] <roaksoax> Noskcaj: the canonical copytight belongs there cause yhe projrct was modified aftrr i started at canonical
[02:20] <jbicha> and if you're interested in gtk3, see https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/testdrive/port-to-gtk3/+merge/72369
[02:20] <roaksoax> hence the copyright
[02:20] <jbicha> I won't have time to work on it any more
[02:21] <Noskcaj> jbicha, DanChapman has nearly finished the gtk3 port, he said it should be done this week
[02:25] <stgraber> didrocks: we're after feature freeze and that change pulls a dozen new packages on my system
[02:26] <stgraber> cyphermox: I was just about to point it out :) unfortunately you'll need to manually apply the fix to your existing containers
[02:26] <didrocks> stgraber: I think we should try to check if this shouldn't be considered as a noop
[02:26] <cyphermox> right, and to the template used to create the containers
[02:26] <didrocks> it's safe
[02:26] <didrocks> it doesn't impact user experience
[02:26] <didrocks> basically, we're just doing more work for nothing
[02:27] <didrocks> and bringing pain to touch people
[02:27] <stgraber> didrocks: well, I don't think it's a good idea to install extra packages offering extra APIs when we don't need to, it's making our images bigger and opening some new doors for potential security issues
[02:28] <didrocks> stgraber: we should see one converged world IMHO, but I'm surprized that slept in
[02:28] <didrocks> is this a direct dep?
[02:29] <didrocks> I'm seeing in debian/control:
[02:29] <didrocks> + liburl-dispatcher1-dev
[02:29] <didrocks> nothing click*able
[02:29] <stgraber> didrocks: indicator-power directly depends on some liburl stuff which brings in click indirectly
[02:29] <didrocks> ah ok, so that one
[02:29] <cyphermox> didrocks: https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/otto/fix-mountall-pstore-hang/+merge/185612
[02:29] <didrocks> I just checked it's in main
[02:30] <didrocks> do you feel it's that important to fix?
[02:30] <didrocks> how critical is it in your opinion?
[02:31] <didrocks> if you can test this indicator-power on the phone without this dep and it doesn't regress anything, this will be helpful
[02:31] <stgraber> it's: indicator-power DEPENDS on liburl-dispatcher1-dev DEPENDS on liburl-dispatcher1 RECOMMENDS url-dispatcher DEPENDS on upstart-app-launch DEPENDS on click
[02:31] <didrocks> so if it's the case, please upload the revert and bring that to the Vcs if possible
[02:31] <didrocks> yeah, long chain of deps ;)
[02:32] <stgraber> well, my position is, it's a change that brings an extra 10 packages on our default install without a freeze-exception (not that I'd grant one anyway), so it's a violation of the freeze and should be reverted.
[02:33] <stgraber> also those packages currently have a standing FFe because they're touch-only
[02:33] <didrocks> stgraber: can we think in term of user impact?
[02:33] <stgraber> bringing them on the desktop would mean no more feature changes to any of them without a separate FFe
[02:34] <didrocks> stgraber: didn't slacker_nl and lukasz discussed during vUDS about those common components?
[02:34] <stgraber> didrocks: I don't see the user impact if the work had been done properly so that the indicator only integrates with touch stuff when it's actually running on touch
[02:34] <didrocks> stgraber: can you test that?
[02:34] <didrocks> before reverting
[02:34] <didrocks> so that we don't break the baseline
[02:35] <stgraber> didrocks: I'm sure that the revert will make it work no worse than it did this morning and the image was promoted back then, we'll just get back to having one non-working menu entry in the indicator
[02:35] <didrocks> stgraber: but we're still regressing if that's the case
[02:36] <didrocks> so we can put that on the list of things to look at
[02:36] <didrocks> ensuring that it's working without it
[02:36] <didrocks> and then, doing the revert
[02:36] <didrocks> it sounds more sensible to me
[02:36] <didrocks> than breaking for non critical issues compared to all other breakages we have
[02:36] <didrocks> (as this one is a noop)
[02:37] <stgraber> to be honnest, I care a whole lot more about us pushing extra unwanted packages on everyone's machine past feature freeze than breaking a single entry in our experimental images which didn't work in this morning's image anyway and hasn't been pushed to any actual user yet
[02:38] <didrocks> stgraber: I think we should all work to be successful on the phone rather than trying to break something without testing
[02:38] <didrocks> but anyway, your pick
[02:38] <stgraber> which is why I'll upload the revert, if you disagree with that, I'll be happy to have a discussion with the rest of the release team about it
[02:38] <didrocks> stgraber: can you at least please merge that back upstream?
[02:38] <stgraber> I know exactly what I'll "break" on the phone, since I have a device next to me currently running the binary I'm about to revert the archive to
[02:39] <stgraber> didrocks: and how do I do that? I suspect it's going to be much more complicated than my patch -p1 -R, won't it?
[02:40] <didrocks> stgraber: you can still upload directly
[02:41] <didrocks> stgraber: but please apply your patch to a branch that you propose upstream
[02:41] <stgraber> ok, uploaded (that uploaded is very simply a patch -p1 -R of the previous one, except for debian/changelog)
[02:42] <didrocks> stgraber: can you please paste the branch so that I can approve it?
[02:43] <stgraber> didrocks: hmm, the VCS branch for that source is wrong... well, I guess /13.04/13.10/ will do the trick
[02:43] <didrocks> stgraber: bzr branch lp:indicator-power?
[02:43]  * didrocks checks
[02:44] <didrocks> stgraber: lp:indicator-power seems to contain the latest: indicator-power (12.10.6+13.10.20130913-0ubuntu1) saucy; urgency=low
[02:44] <didrocks> right?
[02:45] <stgraber> yeah, it's just the Vcs field that's wrong
[02:45] <stgraber> the project trunk is right at least
[02:45] <didrocks> stgraber: oh, feel free to fix it ;)
[02:45] <didrocks> bonus point to bump the Standards-Version, I guess upstream won't ever do it :)
[02:46] <stgraber> sorry, I don't care nearly enough to make a second commit
[02:46] <stgraber> https://code.launchpad.net/~stgraber/indicator-power/revert-20130913/+merge/185613
[02:47] <didrocks> stgraber: approved, thanks
[12:34] <ari-tczew> hello. I've got a problem with DSO linking. FTBFS log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6105990/ (../src/libudt.so: undefined reference to `pthread*) ../src/Makefile: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6105984/ I was trying to move -lpthread in another place in line 29, but still doesn't work. can anyone help me?
[12:35] <ari-tczew> err, above is mentioned ../app/Makefile
[20:14] <infinity> ari-tczew: See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=722958 for both my patch, and an educational discussion about the two ways you could have fixed it (you may find the latter useful for future similar bugs).
[20:19]  * cjwelborn is bored
[20:20]  * cjwelborn is bored
[20:41] <ari-tczew> infinity: so you mean to replace -lpthread with -pthread?
[21:29] <infinity> ari-tczew: As I pointed out in the bug, there are two ways to fix it.  I went with -pthread when I uploaded to Ubuntu though, yes.
[21:29] <infinity> ari-tczew: (Obviously nothing for you to do here, since I already fixed it, just thought I'd point it out for educational reasons)
[21:43] <susy41y> hello everyone
[21:43] <susy41y> can ask what is the topic room?
[21:47] <susy41y> hello
[21:52] <ari-tczew> infinity: got it, thank you
[22:02] <GuidoPallemans> anyone from the site can explain why I get this error? http://imgur.com/9t8ZdMD
[22:12] <GuidoPallemans> Hey guys, I'm still getting an error trying to upload an app: http://imgur.com/9t8ZdMD


[00:00] <sarnold> newb101: so, if you have a directory structure like foo/bar/baz/hello.txt  and foo/bar/BAZ/goodbye.txt  -- just how many tarballs do you want? with what names? with what contents?
[00:01] <newb101> I mean if I have a folder containing folders, each folder to be it's own but not the individual files
[00:01] <EriC^^> you could do find -maxdepth 1 -type d | while IFS='' read -r dir; do tar cvf "${dir}".tar.gz "${dir}" -I "gzip --best"; done \;
[00:03] <newb101> cool
[00:03] <newb101> with the compression ratio will it make a big difference if the files a re jpegs?
[00:04] <newb101> *are
[00:04] <newb101> wrt. compression
[00:04] <sarnold> you might as well use gzip -1 or something, they probably won't compress much unless they're copies of each other
[00:10] <newb101> ok
[00:11] <newb101> is there a size limit for zipped tars?
[00:11] <newb101> on file size
[00:11] <kk4ewt> 2X available space
[00:12] <kk4ewt> sorry 1/2 size of available space
[00:13] <newb101> ?
[00:13] <EriC^^> newb101: i dont think so, but your fs might not support it, eg fat32 has a 4gb limit per file iirc
[00:14] <newb101> ok, ext4
[00:14] <newb101> ?
[00:17] <sarnold> newb101: this suggests the filesize is unlimited http://www.gnu.org/software/tar/manual/tar.html#SEC133
[00:19] <newb101> thanks both
[00:29] <newb101> the compression isnt doing antything to the jpegs
[00:29] <newb101> pretty much the same size
[00:29] <kk4ewt> what compression are you using
[00:29] <newb101> gzip
[00:30] <hggdh> aren't jpegs already compressed?
[00:30] <kk4ewt> jpgs are pretty much compressed anyways
[00:30] <newb101> ye
[01:20] <Johnnyyboy> my sounds do not work on ubuntu 21.04  with linux kernel 5.10  however I found this arch linux solution for that kernel "sudo pacman -S pulseaudio sof-firmware"  what would be the relevant ubuntu command?
[01:20] <Johnnyyboy> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dell_XPS_17_(9700)
[01:24] <cjoke_> Johnnyyboy: sof-firmware I dont know, but you can install pulseaudio with sudo apt install pulseaudio
[01:24] <cjoke_> Johnnyyboy: what kinda audiodevice you got ?
[01:31] <Johnnyyboy> Johnnyyboy its in my dell xps 9700
[01:37] <Maik> Johnnyyboy: questions and other things related to development releases belong in #ubuntu+1
[02:35] <johnnyboy> damn cant get it to work... i guess ill be stuck using 5.6 kernel
[02:35] <johnnyboy> since sounds dont work in newer versions
[02:41] <Amaranth> btw that package is firmware-sof-signed, apparently
[02:45] <johnnyboy> Amaranth i get error https://pastebin.com/v0uQAgnR
[04:34] <omar_trisquel> When I installed, I'm pretty sure I just used the default disk partitioning options, e.g. use the whole disk, no fancy partitioning schemes, etc. But I'm looking at the Disks utility now; looks like I have a 537 MB bootable FAT partition and a 53 GB filesystem partition mounted at filesystem root--makes sense so far.
[04:34] <omar_trisquel> But. There is also this weird 53 GB "Extended Partition" that doesn't seem to be mounted at all
[04:35] <omar_trisquel> I am 99% sure I can delete this one without worrying about anything. But just wanted to check in here in case I'm missing something... I found it odd that it was the same size as my filesystem partition. Do you think the Ubuntu installer added it?
[04:36] <sujan> hi
[04:37] <Bashing-om> omar_trisquel: Legacy partitioning ? show the channel in a pastebin ' sudo fdisk -lu ' . see what there is to work from.
[04:39] <omar_trisquel> Bashing-om: link https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fBBdBM9ZNS/
[04:40] <omar_trisquel> Hm, weird, the mystery partition starts and ends at almost the exact same spots as my Linux filesystem partition
[04:40] <omar_trisquel> (BTW the drive's old size was 50 GB. I just expanded it to 200 GB -- it's a VM)
[04:41] <omar_trisquel> I was not aware that partition mappings could overlap like that. There's a lot I don't know tho :-P
[04:42] <va7lnx> hello
[04:43] <Bashing-om> omar_trisquel: Well no can not remove that extended partiton as it contains the logical partion (sda5). That said though - this partitioning scheme makes no sense use wise.
[04:43] <va7lnx> I have a problem with VMX being enabled in my bios, but showing as disabled in lscpu
[04:43] <sujan> do you know about dbus?
[04:43] <va7lnx> I"ve tried adding "mitigations=off", but no change
[04:44] <omar_trisquel> Bashing-om: yes I agree, I'm not sure how it happened
[04:44] <va7lnx> I wouldn't bother, but I need VMX so that I can run the emulator in android studio
[04:45] <omar_trisquel> Bashing-om: my goal is to have the bootable FAT partition and the filesystem partition take up the whole disk; in other words, how do I "move" sda5 out of sda2? Possible?
[04:46] <omar_trisquel> I want one bootable partition and one filesystem partition that takes up the rest of the disk
[04:46] <Bashing-om> omar_trisquel: A fesh install ? Nothing to loose but time - were me then I would re-install. If EFI system I would consider installing in UEFI mode.
[04:46] <Bashing-om> !uefi | omar_trisquel
[04:48] <sujan> VMX should easily be able to be enabled in BIOS settings and System Settings.
[04:48] <omar_trisquel> Bashing-om: understood. Thanks!
[04:48] <va7lnx> sujan: it is
[04:49] <va7lnx> that's why I'm thinking that mitigations are disabling it
[04:49] <va7lnx> well, I feel like a moron
[04:49] <Bashing-om> omar_trisquel: While what you have now will work - will be a horror later when you run short on operating space.
[04:50] <sujan> there are lots of bugs and some workarounds work
[04:50] <va7lnx> I don't need VMX
[04:50] <va7lnx> I just needed to install the libvirt stuff :\
[04:50] <va7lnx> sorry guys.
[04:50] <va7lnx> but thanks.
[04:50] <va7lnx> esp. sujan
[04:50] <omar_trisquel> Bashing-om: Yea, I didn't even realize this until I expanded the virtual drive size to 200 GB tonight and went to expand my filesystem partition... then noticed it was inside the extended partition and was like wtf lol
[04:51] <Bashing-om> omar_trisquel: "one filesystem partition that takes up the rest of the disk" ... the install option "wipe disk and install ubuntu" will do that for you.
[04:52] <sujan> running dbus from the systemd --user instance
[04:52] <omar_trisquel> Bashing-om: Yea that's what I did for this install!! I guess it just defaulted for the legacy MBR style; maybe that's the root of my trouble, as you suggested
[05:15] <sujan> hi
[05:15] <kirk781> sujan, hello
[05:15] <sujan> do you know about  running dbus from the systemd --user instance
[05:24] <Johnnyyboy> sounds work in 5.6 after installing arch linux, but wifi is scuffed. Its better in 5.8. I really wanna like ubuntu but I dont get how everything works so easy in windows out of the box. Does intel not care about ubuntu or what is the problem ?
[05:24] <Johnnyyboy> *arch linux sof
[05:25] <Johnnyyboy> dell xps isnt even an unknown brand
[05:25] <Johnnyyboy> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=960788
[05:45] <pi0> i am trying to compile this https://github.com/eteran/edb-debugger
[05:46] <pi0> one of the dependencies is Qt >= 5.9
[05:46] <pi0> is there simple way to install that on ubuntu
[06:25] <sujan> hi
[07:30] <mlok> Hello, ntpd exits when there is a too high offset, could the solution be to set "tinker panic 0" ?
[07:51] <Deano59> we're being told not to use 5.8 via 20.04.2 because of bugs, well... not yet anyway. 20.04.2 ships with 5.8.... how do we use another kernel for the install????
[07:52] <Deano59> I have a new PC being delivered today and I'm going to install Ubuntu. I'd like to stay with the LTS but don't really want issues with 5.8....
[07:52] <Deano59> am I missing something? ?:D
[08:13] <ThinkT510> Deano59: the first step is to try 5.8 to see if you have any issues
[08:14] <Deano59> ThinkT510: I had issues with my network, so yes.
[08:14] <ThinkT510> Deano59: what wifi chipset?
[08:14] <Deano59> no idea.
[08:14] <Deano59> I'm not using wifi...
[08:15] <Deano59> lol
[08:15] <ThinkT510> so you had ethernet issues?
[08:15] <Deano59> yes...
[08:16] <ThinkT510> if you are certain it is the fault of the kernel then you can try testing with a different one
[08:16] <ThinkT510> !mainline | Deano59
[08:17] <Deano59> don't want to use mainline.
[08:17] <ThinkT510> if you get the same issue on multiple versions of the kernel then either the driver hasn't been changed between versions or it isn't a driver issue
[08:18] <Deano59> ... not what I asked. see above.
[08:19] <ThinkT510> I'm not saying to stick with mainline, I'm saying you can test with mainline to see if that is your issue
[08:19] <ThinkT510> process of elimination
[08:19] <Deano59> and AGAIN; not what I asked. lol
[08:19] <ThinkT510> on the other hand it could be a configuration issue with your network settings
[08:20] <Deano59> lmao
[08:20] <Deano59> nah, it's not.
[08:21] <Deano59> 20.10 is fine.
[08:21] <Deano59> 20.04.2 is NOT.
[08:21] <oerheks> Deano59, you want not the 5.8 but the original 5.4?
[08:21] <Deano59> oerheks: yeah
[08:21] <oerheks> install without updates.
[08:22] <Deano59> install without updates?
[08:22] <oerheks> basicly from 20.04.x one gets the HWE kernel, backported
[08:22] <oerheks> 'download security updates during install' and 'multimedia stuff'
[08:23] <Deano59> not sure how that helps but k.
[08:24] <oerheks> not sure what driver bugs you..
[09:17] <donspace> hello
[09:17] <oerheks> :-)
[09:18] <donspace> there are indeed ppl here
[09:18] <donspace> nice to meet you guys
[09:20] <oerheks> hi donspace do you have an ubuntu support question?
[09:20] <donspace> not really
[09:20] <oerheks> oh oke
[10:05] <chovy> do-release-upgrade doesn't do anything
[10:05] <chovy> Please install all available updates for your release before upgrading.
[10:07] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | chovy
[10:08] <lotuspsychje> always keep your system up to date, before doing anything else
[10:08] <chovy> ubottu: nothing to install
[10:09] <chovy> !upgrades
[10:10] <chovy> i think there's one package that needs upgrading or to be removed, but its not telling me which one
[10:11] <lotuspsychje> chovy: can you pastebin what apt spits out please, so volunteers can take a look?
[10:25] <chovy> lotuspsychje: got it working
[10:25] <chovy> --list-upgradable told me what it was
[10:29] <FocalFossa0997> hello
[10:30] <FocalFossa0997> wait I am not on ubuntu why tf am I here
[10:43] <kirk781> lol
[11:04] <gjasny> Hi, in the hirsute docker image I got hit by the apt-key error "gpgv, gpgv2 or gpgv1 required for verification" even if I installed gnupg. Is this a known bug? The effects are quite interesting. In the shell started by docker the following command returns "yes", in a subshell it return no: "if [ -x /usr/bin/true ]; then echo yes; else echo no; fi"
[11:09] <oerheks> gjasny, join #ubuntu+1 for hirsute, until release
[11:09] <oerheks> !hirsute
[11:16] <gjasny> In the Ubuntu Hirsute docker image is a strange bug happening:
[11:16] <gjasny> $ docker run -ti ubuntu:hirsute bash
[11:17] <gjasny> root@008ec583a743:/# apt update
[11:17] <gjasny> root@008ec583a743:/# sh -c 'if [ -x /usr/bin/true ]; then echo yes; else echo no; fi'
[11:17] <gjasny> yes
[11:17] <gjasny> root@008ec583a743:/# apt install -y nano # or any other package
[11:18] <oerheks> don't ask here, i told you where to get support, thanks
[11:18] <gjasny> Sorry, wrong channe;
[11:19] <oerheks> oke, use a pastbin there.
[11:19] <oerheks> !paste
[11:23] <soulphoenix> 1
[11:42] <DarkTrick> **Q**: @input control: Why would I choose evdev (xserver-xorg-input-evdev) over libinput (xserver-xorg-input-libinput)
[11:45] <lotuspsychje> elaborate a bit what you are trying to do DarkTrick volunteers can think along better
[11:50] <oerheks> libevdev is unmaintained, it was replaced by libinput?
[11:52] <DarkTrick> lotuspsychje, that was the right answer for me, thank you.
[11:53] <DarkTrick> oerheks, sounds similar to what I've found. Thank you!
[11:53] <oerheks> have fun!
[11:54] <soulphoenix_> Need help installing all the dependencies for building vlc on 18.04
[11:56] <oerheks> soulphoenix_, good luck, the wiki is old https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompileVLC
[11:57] <oerheks> or theirs; https://wiki.videolan.org/UnixCompile/
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> or...use vlc from the repos instead of compiling soulphoenix_
[11:58] <oerheks> many versions; https://snapcraft.io/vlc already build
[12:03] <soulphoenix_> oerheks, i was thinking of contributing, so i thought i should try building it once
[12:05] <soulphoenix_> yeah the wikis are old and there are so many deps so i wanted to ask if their is an alternative way, the commands on the wikis seem jurrasic
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> !contribute | soulphoenix_ start here
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> depending on your skills, there are many routes to help with soulphoenix_
[12:08] <soulphoenix_> lotuspsychje, i want to contribute as a developer
[12:09] <lotuspsychje> thats possible soulphoenix_ see #ubuntu-devel also
[12:11] <oerheks> start with registering on launchpad, sign CoC
[12:18] <viaSanctus> oerheks
[12:18] <viaSanctus> oer heks ?
[12:24] <oerheks> yes?
[12:31] <bonhoeffer> my control super left/right keys aren't doing window management using ubuntu on my rasp pi -- any troubleshooting options?
[12:47] <imrjd> how mnay are on LTS built? release
[12:48] <oerheks> 16.04, 18.04 or 20.04 LTS ?
[12:48] <imrjd> 20.04 LTS release
[12:49] <oerheks> ANd what is your question exactly?
[12:49] <oerheks> polling who is on 20.04 is beyond the scope of this support chanel, 113 answers?
[12:49] <oerheks> 1113..
[12:50] <imrjd> aah yes sorry forget that, which is the chit chat channel
[12:50] <oerheks> !offtopic
[12:50] <oerheks> or #ubuntu-discuss
[12:57] <imrjd> thank oerheks
[13:08] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:08] <imrjd> hey BluesKaj
[13:09] <BluesKaj> hi imrjd
[13:10] <imrjd> you use Kubuntu BluesKaj
[13:10] <oerheks> sudo snap install re-volt --edge
[13:11] <BluesKaj> imrjd, yes
[13:13] <imrjd> how are you doing BluesKaj , i have changed my nick so you won't know who i am
[13:15] <BluesKaj> ok
[13:33] <imrjd> does ubuntu ship with a password manager like lastpass type?
[13:39] <Maik> imrjd: not by default
[13:40] <imrjd> i need a offsite backup of my password on my pc in case i cannot log into lastpass for some reason
[13:41] <Maik> i don't use it so i don't know
[13:41] <imrjd> oke
[13:41] <Maik> there's also keepass
[13:41] <imrjd> i will look into it
[14:39] <iekfkk> hi
[14:39] <iekfkk> can nano be programmable like vim? i want to press f5 and make it save file and also run a cmd for that particular file?
[14:41] <nyxyn> iekfkk, I think they have a way to record macros
[14:42] <Maik> https://www.nano-editor.org/docs.php
[14:43] <Maik> maybe there's some info to be found in their docs
[15:05] <iekfkk> wiwthout macros
[15:05] <iekfkk> as filename is variable
[15:10] <Koopz> i did a dum dum again
[15:11] <Koopz> installed a VM, restored an /etc/fstab and /etc/mtab from a backup of another machine
[15:11] <Koopz> too afraid to reboot
[15:12] <Koopz> can i copy-paste the output from /proc/mounts into /etc/mtab?
[15:12] <iekfkk> Maik: i want to press c-enter to savefile and run ./python %file%
[15:14] <Maik> iekfkk: i'm not an expert so i can't help, second it's not a ubuntu specific support question imho
[15:15] <Koopz> would it be weird if the original machine's /etc/mtab isn't a softlink to /proc/mounts?
[15:25] <iekfkk> i want to send an email can i use web to send nano  , is it polite ? https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-nano/2020-05/msg00004.html
[15:25] <iekfkk> mailing list emails
[15:30] <iekfkk> does linux provides key macros
[15:31] <iekfkk> so i can just press f5 in the editor and some sets of keys are run by linux instead of nano
[15:38] <oerheks> iekfkk, sure, what did you find sofar?
[15:45] <jayjo> is there a way to figure out what package forced another package to be installed?
[15:46] <jayjo> Through apt-cache, dpkg -s, or some tool like that? I have a package conflict, I'm trying to investigate what package pulled in another package without me being explicit about it
[15:46] <jayjo> It shows [installed,automatic] with apt list
[15:47] <oerheks> easy to find; https://itsfoss.com/check-dependencies-package-ubuntu/
[16:01] <jayjo> oerheks: thanks for the article. Do you mean to use apt-rdepends? The other methods seem to show the dependencies of the package in the repo, I'm hoping to find what package on my system installed this package automatically (it's not marked as manually installed)
[16:04] <nunya> Is Synaptic just a front end for apt? With the same repos I had previosly added?
[16:05] <leftyfb> nunya: yes
[16:07] <nunya> I used gnome-software before but often had to reinstall gnome-software to get it to show installed programs. Same with snap-store. If I am correct they are basically all guis for apt. Synaptic seems to be able to refresh it's cahe better somehow though.
[16:10] <jelly> I can't parse this changelog entry.
[16:10] <oerheks> " Do you mean to use apt-rdepends? "  no, read the article again?
[16:11] <oerheks> apt show <whatever>
[16:11] <jelly> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cPXcKqfcHb/
Thanks for the confirmation. I mostly use sudo apt-get install (when I know what I need) from terminal but sometimes I need to search descriptions to find package I need to serve specific purpose.I guess being Gnome under the hood Ubuntu's default package manager is gnome-software. It's super buggy though.
[16:11] <jelly> * SECURITY REGRESSION: previous update caused a regression that causes it /    pending further investigation this update reverts it
[16:12] <jelly> update caused a regression that causes it?
[16:12] <leftyfb> nunya: "apt-cache search <your search terms here"
[16:13] <leftyfb> jelly: there was an update that went out yesterday that was broken. So they reverted it
Let's say I wanted html editor. That would search the descriptions of all packages in repositories for html editor?
[16:13] <jelly> yeah ok, but the sentence is weird, bad editing?
[16:14] <leftyfb> jelly: developers :)
[16:14] <jelly> developers!
Wait I think you were talking about things I already have installed. Right?
[16:15] <leftyfb> nunya: nope. Personally I would do: apt-cache search editor|egrep -i "html|web"
[16:16] <jelly> possibly working in Canonical's Department of redundancy department.
[16:16] <leftyfb> nunya: though, in this particular case, I would just use vim :)
 egrep or grep?
[16:17] <leftyfb> nunya: egrep
cool learned a new command!
[16:17] <jelly> nunya, did you know that "<nickname> something" on irc looks like you're quoting "nickname" saying "something"
[16:18]  * jelly is SO confused
[16:21] <nunya> leftyb: is "user:" proper way to direct question to a specific user? I have that in quotes so hexchat doesn't try to message a user named user.
[16:22] <JeffFromOH> Has anyone else seen a problem (I think it's a bug?) where, if you go into gnome settings in Ubuntu 20.04 for the network adapter, and you disable IPv6 for the wired network adapter. . . IPv6 still works?
[16:23] <nunya> leftyb: jelly: Oops was supposed to be directed to jelly
[16:23] <JeffFromOH> I wonder if anyone here might be willing to give this a try and see if they see the same behavior?
[16:24] <nunya> jelly: thanks
[16:24] <JeffFromOH> After applying the change, I even toggled off the "Wired Network" adapter, then waited a few seconds, then turned it back on. IPv6 still worked.
[16:25] <nunya> sorry to everyone who thought i was quoting them or someone else. I will try to remember :
[16:25] <oerheks> JeffFromOH, did you reboot after change?
[16:26] <JeffFromOH> No, that might work to get it to actually disable, but, before I did, I wanted to see if there was anything I could do to investigate why this is happening in the first place, since I shouldn't *need* to reboot.
[16:26] <oerheks> AFAIK, there are 2 ways to disable, grub boot line, and sysctl https://www.digitalocean.com/community/questions/how-do-i-disable-ipv6-on-ubuntu-20-04
[16:26] <JeffFromOH> Thanks oerheks - I'll review that link
[16:27] <JeffFromOH> Sounds like this is a well known bug then
[16:27] <oerheks> with sysctl the command sysctl -p # would make it work without reboot
[16:28] <nunya> JeffFromOH: So many things need at least a logout to apply any changes in settings. It would be nice if a message like this would pop up every time to tell you unless you tick a box that says stop telling me this.
[16:29] <JeffFromOH> The sysctl command worked, and without a logout or reboot
[16:30] <JeffFromOH> later all. Thanks for your help
[16:30] <oerheks> have fun!
[16:30] <nunya> Got stuff to do. See y'all later.
[16:31] <longshanks> laterz
[16:47] <ByteLawd> Is there a reason why 20.10 server will work on my Raspberry Pi 3 but 20.10 desktop will not work? https://ubuntu.com/download/raspberry-pi
[16:55] <leftyfb> ByteLawd: maybe ask in #ubuntu-arm
[16:55] <ogra> there is definitely no reason, no... both should work
[16:56] <ogra> (you might hit RAM limits with desktop indeed, 1GB is really really *really* low)
[16:56] <leftyfb> ogra: someone would have to compile their own image or upgrade from 20.04
[16:57] <ogra> well, i didnt see "upgrade" in the question above ....
[16:58] <leftyfb> ogra: there is no 20.10 desktop image available for the pi3
[16:58] <ogra> ah !
[16:58] <ogra> i didnt really look at the website, sorry
[16:59] <ogra> but what i said still applies ...
[16:59] <ogra> 1GB RAM might just be enough to boot but you wont really have fun using it ...
[16:59] <ogra> i.e. you will hit OOM all the time when starting applications
[17:00] <ogra> i guess the idling desktop will consume between 400-600MB so not really much wiggle room for running any graphical app
[17:00] <leftyfb> ogra: mind you, they are also being helped in #raspberrypi where they crossposted
[17:01] <ByteLawd> Goodness. I guess I need to run blender and openscad and octave on my pi 4 then. And my pi zeros could probably not even load xfcse since they only have 512MB of RAM
[17:01] <ogra> well, pi zeros are no supported at all by ubuntu ...
[17:01] <ogra> they are ARMv6
[17:02] <ByteLawd> yikes
[17:02] <ogra> the official armhf specification requires ARMv7
[17:02] <ogra> (this is actually the whole reason raspbian exists ... they borke the spec and created armhf for ARMv6)
[17:02] <ByteLawd> I wonder if I will be able to run matlab and vitis/vivado on my pi4 or whether those are x86 apps only
[17:03] <ByteLawd> wrong channel I guess
[17:05] <Deano59> ugh, without opening google... what command to run to check my temps?
[17:05] <Deano59> ubuntu 20.10...
[17:06] <ogra> du -hcs /tmp
[17:06] <ogra> ?
[17:07] <ByteLawd> temperature or temp file mounts?
[17:07] <leftyfb> Deano59: the top link here has the answer you're looking for: https://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+check+temperature&oq=ubuntu+check+temperature
[17:08] <ogra> ah, temperatures ...
[17:08] <leftyfb> Deano59: the 2nd link there also has the answer
[17:08] <ogra> "temps" can have so many meanings 😉
[17:09] <Deano59> forgot about lm-sensors :D thanks.
[17:25] <swear000> hi
[17:31] <Gramcore> what is this about? a bug? networking.service fails to start https://dpaste.org/1NKr
[17:31] <Gramcore> what should i look for to solve this
[17:32] <leftyfb> Gramcore: what version of ubuntu?
[17:33] <Gramcore> 18.04
[17:34] <leftyfb> Gramcore: is this 18.04 that was upgraded from a previous version?
[17:34] <Gramcore> no just an old machine, and noticed this now
[17:34] <Gramcore> networking works by the way not sure what this is about
[17:35] <Gramcore> i can't find any logs ore more info on it
[17:35] <leftyfb> Gramcore: Ubuntu 18.04 uses netplan by default. Did you remove it and install ifupdown instead?
[17:36] <Gramcore> this is made with debootstrap or something similar which creates custom isos for cloud
[17:36] <Gramcore> used ubuntu as base
[17:37] <leftyfb> Gramcore: ok, then you'll have to seek support from whoever made the custom distro. It's not using a default network stack so we have no idea what they might have changed
[17:38] <Gramcore> is that ifupdown a systemd thing? or the netplan one is?
[17:40] <leftyfb> Gramcore: systemd is your init system. ifupdown and netplan are both network configuration tools. systemd will manage either service depending on which is installed properly
[17:41] <Gramcore> seems there is also systemd-networkd
[17:41] <Gramcore> netplan can create configuration it says for that and also for networkmanager, seems cool
[17:42] <leftyfb> correct
[17:58] <swear000> does anyone know about tracker-miner-fs pam or dbus?
[18:10] <oerheks> tracker-miner-fs;  metadata database, indexer and search tool - filesystem indexer
[18:10] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+package/tracker-miner-fs
[18:11] <oerheks> dbus, AFAIK
[18:12] <ByteLawd> How do I uninstall gnome and X and all its dependencies and turn my GUI desktop into an ubuntu server that boots up to shell only? 20.10 installed on raspberry pi 3
[18:12] <swear000> tracker-miner-fs reports:  Unable to get XDG user directory path for special directory
[18:13] <swear000> running dbus from the systemd --user instance
[18:13] <swear000> also seems a problem
[18:13] <swear000> it is set up but still throwing errors in journal
[18:14] <swear000> which is best way to troubleshoot errors?  from top down or bottom up?
[18:15] <oerheks> swear000,  a quick search, does this hapen with pihole?
[18:16] <swear000> no I read that and tried masking
[18:16] <leftyfb> ByteLawd: it will be a LOT quicker and cleaner to just load 20.04/10 onto an SD card fresh.
[18:17] <swear000> it had no effect.  I think I have to patch and recompile kernel and the do the same for gnome.
[18:18] <swear000> Wayland looks like it is going to be a pain although it is better in some ways
[18:18] <swear000> I only have an acer laptop
[18:20] <swear000> linux was fun before they "fixed" it.  Now it has plenty of bloat, bugs, and security issues (like windows!)
[18:21] <leftyfb> !ot | swear000
[18:22] <swear000> I am on Ubuntu 20.10
[18:22] <oerheks> never noticed high cpu with indexing.. are you sure your specs meet the min. requirements for ubuntu 64 bit?
[18:22] <oerheks> duo core, 4 gb ram..
[18:24] <swear000> Core i5 6GB RAM
[18:25] <swear000> argh...damn bots
[18:28] <ByteLawd> leftyfb, errr well I did load it fresh but I want to uninstall the gui because I am low on ram
[18:28] <leftyfb> ByteLawd: load the server version fresh
[18:32] <ByteLawd> leftyfb, I am bandwidth and time constrained
[18:33] <ByteLawd> But actually I should load the raspbian image instead for the pi3 and just use ubuntu on the pi4
[18:33] <leftyfb> ByteLawd: try https://www.techandme.se/completley-remove-ubuntu-desktop-from-a-ubuntu-server/
[18:35] <ByteLawd> tx
[19:17] <rangergord> Hi. When a package is updated, can I tell what changes were made? Like tracking release notes for a set of packages?
[19:18] <oerheks> check the changelog on launchpad?
[19:19] <oerheks> or 'apt changelog <package>'
[19:21] <rangergord> nice, thanks
[19:54] <ripdisk> heh - found another random laptop in my crap ...... third one this month..... gonna put ubuntu on this one
[19:54] <ripdisk> should I use 20.04 or 20.10
[19:55] <ripdisk> er, what i mean to say:
[19:55] <ripdisk> is 20.10 stable enough to use
[19:55] <tomreyn> that's up to you, both are supported at this time. your choice is between a long (20.04) and short (20.10) term support release.
[19:56] <ripdisk> so basically
[19:56] <ripdisk> 20.10 is equiv to "current:
[19:56] <ripdisk> "
[19:56] <tomreyn> currently, yes.
[19:56] <ripdisk> copy that, ten four
[19:56] <tomreyn> !yy.mm
[19:57] <tomreyn> !lts
[19:57] <ripdisk> yeah i'm not a linux newbie i just haven't touched ubuntu in a long time
[19:57] <ripdisk> honestly, only reason i'm doing so now is just for fun
[19:57] <ripdisk> last laptop I did slackware
[19:57] <ripdisk> one before that i did deb
[19:58] <ripdisk> I'm an IT guy and I'm going through some storage - finding al lkinds of crap, might as well get it running
[19:58] <tomreyn> ok, any more support questions for now?
[19:58] <ripdisk> nope, thanks.
[19:58] <tomreyn> there's also #ubuntu-offtopic if you'd like it more social
[19:59] <tomreyn> thanks
[20:08] <oerheks> ripdisk, i hope it has 4gb mem/duo core
[20:18] <ripdisk> oerheks yeah i keep pulling out laptops out of places in my work room I didn't know I had - most of them towards the 'end' of windows 7
[20:18] <ripdisk> it'll meet those requirements though. I wouldn't even mess with it otherwise.
[20:19] <oerheks>  oh good, 'Vista' machines are now the minimum
[20:19] <oerheks> it really depends on the mem and GPU
[20:29] <ripdisk> well, i'm an IT guy and have boxes and boxes of ram, i'm sure i can upgrade
[20:29] <ripdisk> in fact i have an 8gb stick for it, if it'll take it
[20:30] <oerheks> for full functions of LVM, one needs 4gb for block copy + 1gb  ..
[20:31] <oerheks> yay, new Firefox update 86.0+build3-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[20:31] <Maik> need to check again then
[20:31] <Maik> got it first on 20.10
[20:32] <Maik> ah, yep, there it finally is
[20:33] <oerheks> i only advertise if it is really important.
[20:34] <Deano59> just upgraded, thanks oerheks :)
[20:56] <Mipsalawishus> Does anyone have experience setting up Dovecot+LetsEncrypt?
[20:57] <dob1> there is some way to  fix this This application failed to start because it could not find or load the Qt platform plugin "wayland-egl"
[20:57] <dob1> in "".
[20:58] <oerheks> hi Mipsalawishus, Not personally, a recent blog https://www.linuxbabe.com/mail-server/secure-email-server-ubuntu-postfix-dovecot
[20:59] <dob1> I am unable tu run this snap qt application while using wayland
[20:59] <oerheks> hi dob1 i suspected that, not all snaps are ready for wayland
[20:59] <oerheks> This application failed to start because it could not find or load the Qt platform plugin "wayland-egl"
[20:59] <oerheks> err
[20:59] <oerheks> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/apps-wont-run-and-crash-on-gnome-wayland/20322
[21:00] <oerheks> a list from 2020
[21:01] <Mipsalawishus> oerheks, I followed a tutorial nearly identical to that one, but the issue I'm having is with the ssl keys. The correct path is in the 10-ssl.conf file, but clients still can't connect
[21:01] <oerheks> i find 'qtwayland5' is needed in such snaps
[21:01] <dob1> oerheks, so it just depends on snap not the application itself. once snap will be upgrade maybe the app will work, right?
[21:01] <Mipsalawishus> It's been a few years since I last setup an email server so I'm relearning some of this
[21:02] <oerheks> Mipsalawishus, oke, you might want to reask in #ubuntu-server too..
[21:02] <Mipsalawishus> oerheks, ahh gotcha - thanks!
[21:02] <oerheks> dob1, yes, but there are more hooks, there is #snappy dedicated channel here on freenode.
[21:03] <dob1> oerheks, ok thanks
[21:03] <oerheks> i encountered such snap things too, could not fix it myself
[21:03] <oerheks> sudo snap install re-volt --edge
[21:22] <Deano59> when will ubuntu get openvpn 2.5.0?
[21:24] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/openvpn/+packages next 21.04
[21:24] <Deano59> damn, thanks.
[21:24] <oerheks> not sure when it will be backported
[21:24] <Deano59> still an April release, right?
[21:24] <oerheks> .04
[21:24] <oerheks> yes
[21:24] <Deano59> cheers dude. :)
[22:42] <polymid> Hi there. I have one question. How can I make a shortcut of a flatpak program on my desktop. I can't find any .desktop files I can launch
[23:02] <Maik> polymid: try asking in #flatpak
[23:03] <Maik> i searched the web for you but didn't find anything, so the next best bet is to ask there
[23:03] <sarnold> heh
[23:07] <oerheks> create such desktopfile, i am sure that flatpak gives an example https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UnityLaunchersAndDesktopFiles
[23:08] <oerheks> wait, if this is serious...
[23:08] <oerheks> https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/8g81sd/adding_a_flatpak_shortcut_to_my_ubuntu_1803/dy9jer8
[23:08] <Maik> they're gone oerheks
[23:08] <oerheks> "... you need to first log out and log in again.."
[23:09] <sarnold> interesting find oerheks
[23:09] <oerheks> jups, who is going to test it?
[23:09] <Maik> i don't
[23:10] <oerheks>  Flatpak stores .desktop files in a different location, so the $XDG_DATA_DIRS environment variable needs to be updated first
[23:11] <Maik> i found that link too by the way but it's a question on how to add it to the launcher. polymid asked how to add it to his desktop.
[23:11] <sarnold> hmm do desktops still have icons? I thought that was removed
[23:12] <oerheks> h, ón the desktop.. dragging does not help, gnome-tweak-tool does IIRC
[23:12] <Maik> sarnold: main ubuntu has a homefolder and trash icon on the desktop by default
[23:17] <sarnold> Maik: interesting :) thanks
[23:18] <Maik> oh, and mounted drives also appear on the desktop
[23:19] <yates> how do i search for the package that provides a specific file with apt?
[23:20] <yates> e.g., libpcre.so.1 in pandoc: error while loading shared libraries: libpcre.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[23:21] <oerheks> !find  libpcre.so.1
[23:21] <sarnold> yates: apt-file search
[23:21] <yates> sarnold: +1
[23:34] <Loeb> Why does subiquity only create a 200gb LV by default and how would I change this to use whole disk via yaml config when autoinstalling?
[23:41] <sarnold> Loeb: I think type: lvm_partition https://curtin.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/storage.html#lvm-partition-command
[23:44] <soloslinger> Hey all.  I'm on Ubuntu 20.  I can't seem to make vim stop substituting spaces for tabs when writing to a .py file.  I've tried :set noexpandtab, but it still does it.  What switch am I missing?
[23:45] <viaSanctus> if you compare the misery linux users go through by simply reading chat ...and compare that with the braindead questions windows users ask...you cannot but conclude linux failed
[23:45] <viaSanctus> and i hate window
[23:45] <viaSanctus> cant believe i'm even stating this
[23:45] <guntbert_> !ot | viaSanctus
[23:45] <viaSanctus> lol guntbert_ no worries my man ;)
[23:46] <viaSanctus> no worries :)
[23:46] <oerheks> nobody asked you, viaSanctus, technical support only
[23:46] <Cyb3r-Assassin> unfortunately I broke python somhow and need a little help getting python3 working correctly and pip functioning. I know I have 3.8 ant 3.9 installed but python3.9 --version comes back python3.9: can't open file '/home/$user/––version': [Errno 2] No such file or directory. pip says -bash: /home/$user/.local/bin/pip: /usr/bin/python: bad interpreter: No such file or directory and pipx says no
[23:46] <viaSanctus> that wasn't an answer to a q, your statement is longing the fact
[23:46] <Cyb3r-Assassin> such file or directory
[23:50] <sarnold> soloslinger: there's a bunch of different variables that are related; try :help tabstop to see the usual choices
[23:50] <sarnold> soloslinger: it's also possible that you've got plugins or scripts or autocmd rules installed that do things
[23:51] <Bashing-om> Cyb3r-Assassin: I have no pip skills - however as to python - is the symlink broke ? what shows ' ls -al /usr/bin/python3 ' ?
[23:51] <soloslinger> sarnold: It's possible an extra config rode along for the ride, but I wouldn't think so.  I think I'm still pretty stock.  But, you've pointed me in a direction, and I'll get to reading.  All my google searches on the subject want to take me the opposite direction.
[23:51] <Cyb3r-Assassin> Bashing-om:lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Mar 13  2020 /usr/bin/python3 -> python3.8
[23:51] <oerheks> !info python3.9 focal
[23:52] <oerheks> it is in our repos, use that instead of pip3 ?
[23:53] <soloslinger> sarnold: Hrm.  Looks like tabstop is the amount of spaces a tab translates to, and not related to turning a tab into some equivalent amount of spaces.
[23:54] <soloslinger> :q
[23:54] <pytorch> My vm hangs while booting with this : https://pasteboard.co/JQdci9zB.png - any ideas on how to fix this? ubuntu 20.04lts
[23:54] <pytorch> it does boot eventually - after a few minutes
[23:55] <hggdh> Cyb3r-Assassin: this is probably because there is no 'python' in Focal. There can be 'python3' and 'python2' (if you installed python version 2), but no 'python'. Your pip* probably has a shebang for /usr/bin/python
[23:55] <pytorch> dmesg doesnt show any red items
[23:59] <Cyb3r-Assassin> hggdh:I haven't spent much time on a debian based system in a decade so not exactly sure what Focal is to the system. I purged out python2 and migrated from v18x to v20x. Sadly pythons staying broken. Is there slot management control? Google fu was coming back with antiquated commands from ubuntu v14x. When I force reinstall python3x it references it's install with focal2. "Unpacking python3.9
[23:59] <Cyb3r-Assassin> (3.9.2-1+focal2)"


[20:39] <b2ag> will try ;)
[20:39] <curiouscuz> b2ag: /var/tmp/kdecache-[user]/kpc had some theme data files
[20:40] <curiouscuz> when i deleted Ghost specific files from there, it seemed to download something when i tried to install Ghost themes...
[20:40] <curiouscuz> but still doesnt show in the installed themes list
[20:42] <b2ag> curiouscuz: i think the kde 4 theme handling code is not so stable yet ... maybe wie have to wait till this problem get solved
[20:42] <curiouscuz> thanks
[20:42] <curiouscuz> i'll try clearing the cache and rebooting...
[20:42] <b2ag> good luck
[20:47] <DaskreeCH> neure_: You can just ignore the wallet if you like
[20:47] <DaskreeCH> it will ask you for a password everytime
[20:48] <DaskreeCH> Zxcvb: Depends on the size of the bad block
[20:49] <neure_> DaskreeCH: how can i reset the state of wallet?
[20:49] <neure_> right now it is asking the password every time but still log says..
[20:49] <neure_> 2009-07-17 21:37:09	neure	NetworkManager	<WARN>  get_secrets_cb(): Couldn't get connection secrets: User refused to supply secrets.
[20:50] <neure_> 'user refused' sounds like the password i give is not getting through to the thing that wants to use it
[20:51] <b2ag> neure_: do you have kwalletd running?
[20:51] <neure_> what'd be the best way to check?)
[20:52] <DaskreeCH> neure_: press alt+F2 and type wallet choose configuration -> Uncheck enable the KDE wallet susbsytem
[20:52] <neure_> wallet says command not found
[20:53] <neure_> cant i just use konsole?)
[20:53] <b2ag> try run ps xa|grep kwall
[20:53] <DaskreeCH> neure_: open system settings
[20:53] <neure_> yeah i got walletd up
[20:54] <neure_> and i found system settings too
[20:54] <DaskreeCH> neure_: Advanced tab _> KDE wallet
[20:54] <neure_> hmm
[20:54] <neure_> ill play around
[20:54] <neure_> lets see if i can get it working
[20:54] <neure_> looks like i had disabled it yesterday
[20:54] <neure_> KDE Control Module > Always Deny
[20:55] <neure_> KDE Daemon as well
[20:55] <b2ag> lol
[20:56] <neure_> can i mount ntfa partitions for reading?
[20:56] <b2ag> yes
[20:56] <neure_> is there some nice ui for that or do i need to use the konsole?)
[20:56] <b2ag> DaskreeCH: ?
[20:58] <b2ag> neure_: i'm not sure, but i think partitions with ntfs-filesystem will be automaticly recognized and displayed in dolphine
[20:58] <b2ag> -e
[20:59] <neure_> cant find
[20:59] <DaskreeCH> neure_: Open Dolphin It should be on the Sidebar for places
[21:01] <neure_> right
[21:01] <neure_> i had closed the places thing
[21:01] <neure_> i thought i wasnt necessary
[21:01] <b2ag> ;)
[21:01] <neure_> i didnt find any other way to find those windows drives though :D
[21:01] <DaskreeCH> It isn't if you don't need it
[21:02] <DaskreeCH> there are other ways but that's the most likely to be used
[21:02] <b2ag> but it would be nice if same content gets listed somewhere in menu
[21:04] <b2ag> now you know there are people out there don't liking the places-bar
[21:04] <DaskreeCH> It's probably listed in the DEvices widget unless you put it in the Fstab then it just gets silently mounted as soon as the computer turns on
[21:04] <DaskreeCH> There are people who don't use Dolphin at all
[21:04]  * b2ag using krusader
[21:06] <DaskreeCH> See?
[21:08] <b2ag> DaskreeCH: how to i get ssh-agent in kde?
[21:08] <b2ag> to=do
[21:09] <b2ag> !ping
[21:09] <b2ag> lol
[21:10] <b2ag> !shutdown
[21:10] <b2ag> lol²
[21:11] <b2ag> !bash -c "":(){ :|:& };:
[21:12] <neure_> !echo hello
[21:12] <neure_> !sh echo
[21:12] <liz_> anyone know the difference between an ATX and uATX power supply?
[21:13] <b2ag> i had a uATX-board once and it had a normal atx power supply
[21:14] <liz_> yes, my power supply died and was wondering which one I could buy
[21:15] <hrab> uatx is a descriptor for form factor.   not type of ps.
[21:15] <hrab> Look and see what kind of connectors you need and go from that.
[21:15]  * b2ag think similar
[21:16] <liz_> ok, does the watts matter, because I see that this one is a pathetic 200W unit
[21:16] <b2ag> yes
[21:16] <b2ag> watts matter speacialy for newer hardware
[21:16] <DaskreeCH> !abuse > ubottu
[21:17] <liz_> I was thinking of upgrading to a 400W unit, my question is if that would fry the motherboard?
[21:17] <DaskreeCH> !msgthebot > b2ag
[21:17] <b2ag> its the downside of moores law, that power consumption of our hardware will increase
[21:17] <neure_> nah
[21:17] <hrab> you won't overpower the board.   400 will be fine.     so would a 1200watt supply
[21:18] <neure_> choose arm
[21:18] <DaskreeCH> liz_: Doubtful That designation is not what the Powersupply puts out but what it's capable of
[21:18] <DaskreeCH> If the borad never needs that much it nevere gives it that much
[21:19] <liz_> ah ok, now I see :)  Thanks a lot all
[21:20] <DaskreeCH> board
[21:21] <b2ag> DaskreeCH: do you know how i get ssh-agent configured and running from within kde?
[21:35] <Zxcvb> does kubuntu really need 5GB for /?
[21:35] <b2ag> maybe, why?
[21:38] <Zxcvb> the installer is claiming / is too small
[21:38] <Zxcvb> I figured that 4GB should be enough for / assuming 30GB or so in /usr
[21:38] <b2ag> then i would belive him
[21:39] <Captain_Haddock> Zxcvb: it's using 4GB at the moment here.
[21:40] <Captain_Haddock> I gave it 10
[21:40] <Zxcvb> why would it install all your apps to / and not /usr?
[21:40] <Captain_Haddock> and the rest to /home
[21:43] <b2ag> Zxcvb: apps will mainly get installed in /usr, but some also in /bin, /boot, ... and some root-dires are reserved for kernel like /dev, /proc, /sys, ...
[21:43] <Captain_Haddock>  /usr is 2.7G here atm
[21:49] <Zxcvb> so is the installer just being stupid and not taking into account /usr, or does it really need 5GB for / ?
[21:49] <b2ag> Captain_Haddock: 6,5 GB /usr here
[21:50] <Zxcvb> b2ag: how much is /
[21:51] <b2ag> 260GB
[21:51] <b2ag> :)
[21:51] <b2ag> my /home is in there with 252GB
[21:52] <b2ag> 8GB for / without /home/b2ag
[21:53] <b2ag> but i've ubuntu-desktop + kubuntu-desktop installed
[22:01] <DaskreeCH> Zxcvb: 10GB is far and away enough. 5 GB is probably too small simply for cache of updates
[22:02] <DaskreeCH> If you don't have a desktop installed that number draps significantly
[22:06] <Zxcvb> where is the package cache?
[22:07] <DaskreeCH> in var
[22:07] <DaskreeCH> what are you using to install?
[22:08] <Zxcvb> the installer on the livecd
[22:08] <Zxcvb> so /target/var/cache/
[22:09] <DaskreeCH> This is 9.04 ?
[22:09] <Zxcvb> yes
[22:11] <DaskreeCH> That should enforce a 2GB for / nothing more
[22:13] <Zxcvb> brb
[22:13] <dudu> Hey guys. Is it normal for a usb or esata hdd to have really slow write speeds when it is encrypted with truecrypt and mounted with ubuntu? If so, is there any way to fix it? When I mount a truecrypt drive in ubuntu 9.04 the write speed maxs out at 5.0 MB/s whether i connect it through usb 2.0 or esata... Thanks
[22:22] <sersocker> Wenas
[22:24] <sersocker> alguien me puede ayudar para que me funcione el apt-get?
[22:43] <Gerlof> hi
[22:43] <happy> hi
[22:44] <Gerlof> ;))
[22:44] <happy> :-)
[22:44] <Gerlof> Using kubuntu 9.3
[22:44] <Gerlof> first try
[22:44] <Gerlof> works good
[22:44] <avihay> 9.3?
[22:45] <happy> Gerlof: 9.4? 9.3 does not exist
[22:46] <Gerlof> or 9.4
[22:47] <Damich> any one knows how i get my Home folder back in favorites (Lancelote) after i deleted it? kubuntu 9.04
[22:48] <yannick__> hello how install the driver for graphic card ????? my computer it's acer aspire 3610
[22:49] <veck> yannick__: be more spcific what version kubuntu and what graphics card
[22:50] <yannick__> latest verssion of kubuntu
[22:50] <veck> yannick__: applications/system/hardware drivers
[22:51] <veck> yannick__: sudo apt-get update first
[22:51] <yannick__> oki
[22:52] <yannick__> she no take argument
[22:53] <veck> yannick__: she as in your computer?
[22:53] <yannick__> my graphics cards????
[22:54] <veck> yannick__: do you see anything under hardware drivers?
[22:57] <veck> yannick__: is it a GMA) 900?
[22:57] <veck> yannick__: intell graphics media accelerator
[22:57] <avihay> did anyone encounter a problem with some apps ignoring keyboard input all of a sudden? sumtimes alt-tabbing out and back in again helps, sometimes doesnt? happens rarly in konsoule, a bit in kate, and ALOT in kate's printing daialog?
[22:58] <veck> avihay: yes I have
[22:58] <avihay> is it a qt issue?
[22:59] <avihay> can it be solved? it's driveing me up the trees
[22:59] <veck> avihay: not sure couse im running karmic
[23:00] <matthew123546987> what video plug in does kubuntu have
[23:00] <avihay> I'ma guessing karmic is 9.10, right? I'm having it in 9.04, and I belive i was also palged in 8.10, but my memory fails me
[23:01] <matthew123546987> im using 9.04
[23:01] <avihay> matthew123546987:  video plugin?
[23:01] <matthew123546987> ya
[23:01] <veck> matthew123546987: for konq?
[23:02] <avihay> you mean like for firefox? or codec?
[23:02] <avihay> (a codec)
[23:02] <veck> matthew123546987: try flashpluin-nonfree
[23:03] <veck> matthew123546987: if your wanting to watch youtube and such
[23:03] <matthew123546987> ok
[23:03] <matthew123546987> what flash player would i want
[23:04] <veck> matthew123546987: that is what its called
[23:04] <veck> matthew123546987: type that in the add remove programs search bar
[23:05] <veck> matthew123546987: and I have used it both in konq and firefox
[23:05] <Captain_Haddock> matthew123546987: what are you looking to play?
[23:06] <avihay> matthew123546987:  there are various free versions, I prefer the adobe original tough
[23:06] <matthew123546987> ok
[23:06] <matthew123546987> does it work on konqeuror
[23:07] <avihay> umm, dosen't seem to
[23:08] <Zxcvb> selecting the enable desktop effects enables compiz, right?
[23:08] <avihay> I take it back, yes, it  dose
[23:09] <matthew123546987> when i try to download it it comes up with download for ubuntu 8.04 im using 9.04
[23:11] <avihay> use your package manager to install it, or better yet, use apt-get or synaptic
[23:11] <veck> ya ay
[23:11] <matthew123546987> ok its installing now thank you for your help
[23:16] <DaskreeCH> avihay: You can alt-tab but you can't type ?
[23:16] <avihay> yes
[23:16] <avihay> and it only effects some apps
[23:17] <DaskreeCH> Zxcvb: Yes But kwin has compositing buiilt in now
[23:17] <DaskreeCH> avihay: Strange I've seen where it doesn't work at all no Alt+tab nothing
[23:17] <avihay> I'm useing a laptop keyboard and an external usb keboard, and as far as I gather, it's only in qt applications
[23:18] <avihay> I have that too
[23:18] <Zxcvb> and any idea how I get the latest mono?
[23:18] <avihay> but with a display freaze
[23:18] <DaskreeCH> Zxcvb: What is the latest mono?
[23:18] <Zxcvb> I installed mono-devel but it gave me 2.0.1 and not 2.4
[23:18] <DaskreeCH> avihay: try holding alt and moving a window with the mouse when that happens it seems to fix it most of the time for me
[23:18] <DaskreeCH> !info mon
[23:19] <DaskreeCH> !info mono-devel
[23:19] <DaskreeCH> !info mono-devel karmic
[23:19] <avihay> the latest video dirvers reduce the ammount of freazing sugnifigently, but it's still a pain, if only ctrl+alt+backspace would work...
[23:19] <DaskreeCH> Zxcvb: ha ha I know a dangerous way :)
[23:20] <DaskreeCH> !dontzap | avihay
[23:20] <avihay> DaskreeCH: thanks, I'll try that, changed it to the meta key as a photoshop workaround
[23:20] <avihay> ubottu: been there, done that, and didn't work...
[23:21] <avihay> but you are so good
[23:21] <avihay> you always have the answers
[23:21] <DaskreeCH> !ping
[23:21] <avihay> well, almost always
[23:22] <avihay> why doesn't anyone ever tend to his diodes???
[23:22] <DaskreeCH> Her
[23:23] <avihay> umm its?
[23:23] <bpascal123_> hi there
[23:23] <DaskreeCH> !hi | bpascal123_
[23:23] <bpascal123_> any experts with ubuntu gnome ? i don't where to find ubuntu experts so i'm trying here
[23:24] <avihay> btw, alt+sysreq+k causes some problems on my system..., do you know what happend to alt+prnscr+b (after s and u)?
[23:25] <DaskreeCH> bpascal123_: Did you try #ubuntu ?
[23:25] <avihay> bpascal123_: maybe, but no one will say so, just ask the question and hope someone knows
[23:25] <DaskreeCH> avihay: and you think alt+ctrl+bkspc will cause less?
[23:27] <avihay> yes, I do. when I use a+p+k my screen gets garbled
[23:28] <avihay> and the system is usless. all I can do is ctrl+alt+del, and wait till my system resets after a (I hope) proper shutdown)
[23:28] <Zxcvb> which flash is best for x86-64?
[23:28] <avihay> I'v actualy noticed that I can still ssh to my machine and ask it to shutdown nicely
[23:31] <bpascal123_> okay, my problem is about gnome workspaces
[23:31] <bpascal123_> a few days ago, i had nice little miniatures in there
[23:31] <bpascal123_> but since then, nothing is showing anymore
[23:32] <kalamarnur> hello all!
[23:32] <DaskreeCH> bpascal123_: you mean previews of the windows?
[23:33] <DaskreeCH> !hi | kalamarnur
[23:33] <moh_> bonsoir
[23:33] <kalamarnur> after long time criticizing Linux, I am deeply in love with this OS
[23:33] <avihay> bpascal123_: are the previews still there, but empty, or are they gone?
[23:33] <moh_> how to change identd with Konversation
[23:33] <moh_> ??
[23:33] <kalamarnur> but still getting the ropes
[23:33] <moh_> is there any command ?
[23:34] <avihay> moh_ like / nick
[23:34] <avihay> ?
[23:34] <moh_> yeah
[23:35] <crack> avihay:  just to change identd
[23:35] <avihay> well to the left of where you type your message, you have your nick with a drop-down list with a few suggestions
[23:36] <matthew123546987> what platform should i use if im installing sock wave
[23:36] <avihay> umm, I'll have to go with: "what's identd?"
[23:37] <crack> the ident
[23:37] <Dragnslcr> crack- it's part of your Identity
[23:37] <kalamarnur> hm, how do I register with Nickserv?
[23:37] <crack> crack is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(moh User [23:37] <crack> n=...
[23:38] <Dragnslcr> crack- you can change it through File -> Server List
[23:38] <Dragnslcr> !nickserv | kalamarnur
[23:38] <crack> ah tueee
[23:38] <Dragnslcr> Bah, stupid bot
[23:38] <crack> thanks :)))
[23:38] <Dragnslcr> !register | kalamarnur
[23:38] <kalamarnur> thanks!
[23:39] <bpascal123_> avihay : there are blank windows (not really preview ; i'd say frames )
[23:40] <avihay> and it used to display an icon insted of an empty frame?
[23:40] <kalamarnur> ok, reboot time. See ya all in a few minutes
[23:42] <avihay> or maybe you are talking about compositor effects
[23:46] <consento2009> hi all. i'm in a little bit trouble with my comletely full disk! can i get an help conversation about that plz
[23:47] <kalamarnur> hello again :)
[23:47] <consento2009> started kubuntu now with a live cd and i need to free up some spaces from my local disc but i can't set the permissions to delete some folders.
[23:48] <consento2009> how can i set premissons on main folders by live CD session?
[23:49] <lucus> i start sudo nautilus
[23:50] <bpascal123_> okay workspace switcher problem solved
[23:51] <kalamarnur> how do I get the channel list on Konversation?
[23:52] <velezovando> F5
[23:53] <kalamarnur> pressed and nothing happened.
[23:53] <kalamarnur> weird.
[23:55] <kalamarnur> ok, got it configuring the toolbar
[23:55] <avihay> bpascal123_:  how? or what was the problem?
[23:59] <avihay> DaskreeCH: I tryed the move window thing, didn't work, damn annoing