[00:38] <dzho> huh
[02:17] <greg-g> Gotcha
[15:04] <cmaloney> Morning
[15:04] <Scary_Guy> hey
[15:05] <jrwren> Good morning.
[15:05] <jrwren> I woke up and thought it was still the weekend. Not a great way to start a Monday.
[15:06] <jrwren> Has anyone Tried out PopOS, the ubuntu variant from System76?
[15:13] <cmaloney> not yet
[15:22] <Scary_Guy> It looked pretty.    It usually means something else suffers to make it pretty.
[15:26] <cmaloney> Show me on the GUI where it hurt you
[15:33] <Scary_Guy> either it eats up more memory or it's proprietary software.  I'm running Debian with MATE but using i3 instead of Marco which uses far less resources
[16:15] <jrwren> I just wanted to see how different it was. I guess I should be more familiar with ubuntu 17.10 desktop to really know.
[16:17] <Scary_Guy> well, there are some great demo videos on youtube.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_4T8l5ZuaY
[16:46] <jrwren> i hate demo videos. :)
[16:49] <jrwren> yea. this not a good video
[20:08] <Scary_Guy> sorry, I tried.  there are others.  I figured it was at least good enough to show how it looked
[22:56] <waldo323> oh man this video
[23:10] <Scary_Guy> hey, I could have posted this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFrn3ef-n7Q
[23:11] <Scary_Guy> I'm not sure how good or bad it is as I couldn't get past the accent.  sounds like a slack-jawed yokel


[04:05] <AliNarcis> hi
[04:05] <AliNarcis> anybody knows y i cant select a session other than unity when trying to log in from a client
[21:40] <cog> I don't have analogous Windows Snap (TM) functionality & I want it, thanks for your learning & teaching :)


[00:10] <rbelem> rsalveti, ALERT!  /dev/disk/by-uuid/339475a9-7752-42b3-9c70-a202d2781062 does not exist.  Dropping to a shell!
[00:50] <nicofs> I just added the ubuntu repos to my /etc/apt/sources.list - but all "apt-get update" returns is 404 - not found. Why could that be the case? The device in question is ARM - but basically that should be in the repos aswell... or not?
[00:50] <rbelem> rsalveti, it worked
[00:50] <rbelem> :-)
[00:51] <Python> Hi
[00:58] <rsalveti> rsalveti: awesome
[01:00] <nicofs> What line do i have to ann to sources.list to get ubuntu arm sources? apparently *.archive.ubuntu.com doesn't include arm...
[01:00] <nicofs> *add not ann
[01:10] <rbelem> thnks rsalveti
[01:12] <rsalveti> nicofs: you need to use ports
[01:13] <rsalveti> like deb http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports natty main universe
[01:18] <nicofs> rsalveti, thanks... 404 is gone - let's wait for the next errors to pop up...


[00:20] <hannuman> QUESTION: he online right now, or its a record?
[15:57] <daki> da
[17:36] <mhall119> jose: we're going to cancel today's UE update, too many people are away at a sprint
[17:36] <jose> mhall119: no worries, then :)
[17:36] <jose> popey: PLEASE, again, PLEASE, let me know when you do an ubuntuonair session
[17:37] <jose> it's not just a matter of taking it over, we have a calendar and twitter feed and public that reads us
[17:44] <mhall119> jose: we really need to build a backend to support ubuntuonair.com
[17:45] <jose> I know, but we need someone who knows django :)
[17:45] <mhall119> that's easing, finding someone who knows django *and* has time to do the work, that's the hard part :)
[17:45] <mhall119> s/easing/easy/
[17:46] <jose> I could try and start learning django, but would take some time
[18:35] <popey> jose: please can you document this?
[18:35] <popey> jose: we have been doing these design hangouts for some time now.
[18:35] <popey> jose: rather than beat me up afterwards ☹
[18:42] <jose> popey: yeah, you stopped them a while ago so they were not on the calendar
[18:42] <jose> popey: every wednesday at 14 UTC?
[18:56] <popey> jose: every 2 weeks
[19:07] <jose> popey: scheduled, please confirm you see it at ubuntuonair.com/calendar
[19:08] <jose> if anyone else is going to be on the show, let me know their IRC nicks so AirBot can recognize them as speakers and they can fetch questions


[18:10] <belkinsa> pleia2 and GunnarHj, e-mail sent regarding the meetings.
[18:10] <GunnarHj> belkinsa: Saw that. Excellent!
[18:10] <knome> belkinsa, thanks
[18:10] <belkinsa> Not a problem.
[18:11] <knome> belkinsa, can you elaborate on why you think we need a council, and what would it "guide" ?
[18:11] <GunnarHj> belkinsa: Same question here. :) What exactly do you mean by council?
[18:12] <belkinsa> Yeah, I had to leave and never finished that thought.  What I meant by that was that if we had  a council (like the Community) then maybe it would help us to get things done and maybe guide us by meetings and voting in those meetings.
[18:13] <knome> who would be in that council?
[18:13] <belkinsa> Ubuntu Members of this team, elected though.
[18:13] <belkinsa> I feel like there is no governing part of this team.
[18:14] <knome> how would anybody in that group suddenly dedicate more of their time if they were in a council?
[18:14] <pleia2> oh no more coucncils please
[18:14] <belkinsa> Good point.
[18:15] <knome> pleia2, yeah, to me it looks like pleia2 would be one member in that, and possibly even the chair.. ;)
[18:15] <pleia2> knome: you're so funny :)
[18:16] <belkinsa> and I see you a part of it too, knome.
[18:16] <knome> always!
[18:16] <knome> yeah, and i don't fancy that image...
[18:16] <GunnarHj> belkinsa: I think the need of some kind of firm leadership is greater in the sub teams - desktop, server, wiki...
[18:16] <knome> if we want to do something, that would be to try to clearly specify the different areas where work is needed
[18:16] <knome> and then try to describe those
[18:17] <knome> and as GunnarHj said, then try to get leadership to those
[18:17] <knome> it's easier to commit to leadership of just the wiki team than the whole ubuntu documentation team...
[18:17] <knome> or even a part of the wiki team; like the PopularPages project proves us
[18:17] <belkinsa> knome, that can work.  And maybe is needed.
[18:18] <GunnarHj> belkinsa: In any case we have some things to talk about on those meetings. :)
[18:18] <belkinsa> yup
[18:20] <belkinsa> Maybe, like what whoever said about a Champion at the meeting, could be the chair for that part of the meeting if the meeting could be split in three sections and the items for each are sub-sections.
[18:21] <GunnarHj> belkinsa: Something worth considering.
[18:21] <belkinsa> Bah, it's time for me to go back home.  At least you guys have food for thought from me.  ;)
[18:21] <GunnarHj> belkinsa: Just a detail: We need those Champions first. :)
[22:18] <godbyk> pleia2, GunnarHj: I'm sorry I missed today's CC meeting. I had it on my calendar, but was looking at the wrong time zone.
[22:19] <pleia2> hehe, oops
[22:19] <pleia2> it went well anyway :)
[22:21] <godbyk> pleia2: I'm reading the logs now.
[22:21] <belkinsa> Indeed, it has and it gave me more ideas for the team.
[22:22] <GunnarHj> godbyk: pleia2 summarized one of the things we talked about in the second para at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2014-April/018834.html
[22:23] <GunnarHj> godbyk: plus regular meetings
[22:23] <belkinsa> And I think you should be the driver for the desktop docs.
[22:23] <belkinsa> Since you are very active in that part of the team.
[22:23] <godbyk> I think having regular meetings would be very helpful.
[22:23] <godbyk> The manual project has had cycles with and without regular meetings, and anecdotally, I think the cycles with regular meetings went smoother.
[22:24] <belkinsa> You know what's funny...I suggested that last year and no one wanted to do them.
[22:24] <godbyk> If nothing else, the meetings served as a reminder that there's work to do. :)
[22:24] <belkinsa> Yes, and I think that's the aim of them.
[22:24] <belkinsa> It works for Ubuntu Women and it should work here.
[22:25] <godbyk> It's a bit tricky to schedule them sometimes, given how we're spread across a bunch of time zones.
[22:25] <belkinsa> Right.
[22:25] <pleia2> belkinsa: we've come a long way in this past year, it's nice that we can now focus on processes and things like meetings :)
[22:25] <godbyk> But I think monthly meetings are a good idea. Perhaps fortnightly meetings toward the end of the cycle, even.
[22:25] <pleia2> back then it was all chaos
[22:26] <belkinsa> Ah, I see.
[22:26] <belkinsa> godbyk, sure that could work but for only desktop and server docs.
[22:27] <godbyk> belkinsa: Yeah, that's primarily what I had in mind.
[22:27] <godbyk> The wiki stuff is kind of an ongoing project. There are no hard deadlines to meet.
[22:27] <belkinsa> (would be nice)  ;)
[22:27] <GunnarHj> belkinsa: I can give you some deadlines if you like. ;-)
[22:28] <pleia2> we could create wiki-based projects for cleanup or topic improvements that have deadlines
[22:28] <pleia2> might inspire folks to participate if there are clear goals for what needs attention
[22:28] <belkinsa> Yeah, that would be awesome.
[22:28] <belkinsa> to pleia2.
[22:28] <godbyk> pleia2: Yeah.
[22:28] <GunnarHj> :(
[22:28] <godbyk> And having wiki jams would work well, too, I think.
[22:28] <godbyk> If someone organized a list of, say, frequently visited pages that needed to be cleaned up or updated. A list of things for people to work on.
[22:29] <belkinsa> I tryed for this cycle but I forgot to put down the date.
[22:29] <belkinsa> Of the Global Jam.
[22:29] <belkinsa> godbyk, that can work and with popularpages it's possible.
[22:30] <godbyk> Oh, while a few of you are here, would anyone like to help moderate the ubuntu-docs mailing list?
[22:30] <godbyk> We get a handful of messages each day that land in the moderation queue.
[22:30] <belkinsa> Sure.
[22:30] <godbyk> Most of them are spam.
[22:30] <godbyk> But a few are ones from people who just aren't subscribed to the list.
[22:30] <godbyk> (We've had a few more of these recently for FFe and UIFe requests.)
[22:30] <belkinsa> I saw.
[22:31] <godbyk> belkinsa: Thanks. I'll get you added to the moderators list then.
[22:31] <belkinsa> From the ones that were filtered through.
[22:31] <pleia2> and you can create "jams" that are unrelated to the "global jam" - the global jam is a specific event in the cycle (and comes kind of late for most of our docs aside from wiki)
[22:31] <belkinsa> Thanks.
[22:31] <pleia2> tends to be one locos participate in and stuff
[22:31] <godbyk> pleia2: (Everything comes late in the cycle with regard to docs. ;-))
[22:31] <belkinsa> Yeah, that was the plan and I think the Global Jam got me thinking the other way.
[22:31] <pleia2> godbyk: indeed!
[22:31] <GunnarHj> godbyk: How about simply rejecting messages from non-subscribed posters with an explanation and basically drop moderation?
[22:31] <belkinsa> Maybe a Global Doc Jam that is mid cycle?
[22:32] <godbyk> GunnarHj: I'm not sure what our options are. I haven't looked too closely yet.
[22:32] <godbyk> GunnarHj: But at the moment, I don't want to miss any freeze exception requests.
[22:32] <GunnarHj> godbyk: It's a Mailman list, right?
[22:32] <godbyk> GunnarHj: It's something we can consider after this cycle is finished, though.
[22:32] <godbyk> GunnarHj: Yeah.
[22:33] <GunnarHj> godbyk: If you are an admin, and not just a moderator, you have access to change it.
[22:33] <GunnarHj> godbyk: But it's a policy thing also, of course.
[22:33] <godbyk> GunnarHj: Something to consider, however, is that we don't want to make it so onerous for people to submit their freeze exception requests that they avoid doing it.
[22:34] <GunnarHj> godbyk: Maybe open at freeze time and otherwise closed?
[22:34] <pleia2> belkinsa: calling it "global" confuses it with the loco team-focused event, I'd just say it's a "Docs Jam"
[22:34] <belkinsa> Okak.
[22:34] <godbyk> GunnarHj: That's a good options, too.
[22:35] <GunnarHj> godbyk: I mean, in general it's reasonable to require that you are subscribed to a list you post to.
[22:35] <pleia2> I tend to let stuff go to the moderation queue and just deal with the spam, it's not that much work (and I admin a lot of lists)
[22:36] <pleia2> people often get confused about subscriptions and things, just give up if they get a reject notice (even one explaining how to subscribe)
[22:36] <godbyk> pleia2: And the spam I've seen so far has been quite easy to recognize, so it's not too onerous.
[22:36] <pleia2> godbyk: yeah, I have to look at a message about 5% of the time, the rest are obvious
[22:37] <GunnarHj> Ok, I'll keep my mouth shut then. I'm not volunteering, though. ;-)
[22:37] <pleia2> GunnarHj: hehe
[22:37] <pleia2> GunnarHj: you do make good points, I just don't mind making godbyk do more work ;)
[22:37] <godbyk> pleia2: Ha!
[22:38] <pleia2> and with that, back to work for me!
[22:38] <belkinsa> Just a wonder: do we have enough active members to have two drivers in each sub-team?
[22:39] <godbyk> pleia2: Thanks, pleia2.
[22:39] <godbyk> belkinsa: We might barely have enough. :)
[22:39] <GunnarHj> belkinsa: Do we have enough active members to have *one* driver in each?
[22:40] <belkinsa> Good point.  We have for server and maybe for wiki.
[22:40] <GunnarHj> server=dsmythies and wiki=belkinsa ?
[22:41] <belkinsa> Yup.
[22:41] <belkinsa> If no one has a problem with me being the wiki diver.
[22:41] <belkinsa> driver*
[22:41] <godbyk> Normally, I'd volunteer to help with the desktop docs, but I'm a bit swamped at the moment.
[22:41] <belkinsa> I see.
[22:41] <belkinsa> Hey, shaunm.  How busy are you?
[22:42] <GunnarHj> I'm kind of fed up with Ubuntu stuff at the moment, so I would not like to enter that role either, at least not right now.
[22:43] <GunnarHj> belkinsa: Btw, I think you'll be an excellent wiki driver. ;-)
[22:52] <belkinsa> Anyways, I think we should start the monthly meetings next month if possible.
[22:54] <GunnarHj> belkinsa: Sounds good to me. With those we can live with the desktop driver role being vacant, especially in the beginning of the cycle.
[22:58] <belkinsa> Oh, you think it's a good idea to add the contact info to the drivers on the Contact Us page?
[22:58] <GunnarHj> Absolutely.
[23:00] <GunnarHj> belkinsa: I saw this page accidentally the other day: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Teams
[23:00] <belkinsa> And?
[23:00] <GunnarHj> belkinsa: Most teams have a "leader" - the docs team does not.
[23:01] <belkinsa> I know.  I stated that out when I joined the team.
[23:01] <GunnarHj> belkinsa: Possibly we should add a reference there to the page where the sub group drivers are listed?
[23:01] <belkinsa> Sure.
[23:03] <GunnarHj> Going to bed now. See you all.
[23:03] <belkinsa> See ya.
[23:23] <belkinsa> Should we have a driver for the manual?
[23:24] <pleia2> we should ask them :)
[23:24] <belkinsa> Sure.
[23:25] <belkinsa> On it.
[23:27] <belkinsa> Sub-team contact info added to this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Contact and added this to the teams page also.
[23:28] <pleia2> are drivers really contacts? I'd much rather have folks still use the mailing list for most stuff and drivers just nudge things along
[23:28] <belkinsa> Oh.  Good point.
[23:28] <pleia2> it's fine if the drivers want to be listed as contacts, but I hadn't made the assumption
[23:28] <belkinsa> No, I did and I shouldn't of done that
[23:29] <pleia2> no it's fine, just want to make sure we're all on the same page :)
[23:29] <belkinsa> I removed the e-mail and IRC nick.
[23:30] <belkinsa> And is this in the right place on the page?
[23:32] <pleia2> seems fine, we might want to formulate what we want a driver to do exactly
[23:32] <belkinsa> Okay.
[23:33] <pleia2> I can respond on list about it, just wrapping up some work things
[23:33] <belkinsa> Sure.
[23:37] <belkinsa> I added a bit on what one is.
[23:52] <belkinsa> pleia2, on the team page, there is a reference to the Wiki team.  Should that be removed since it's now a sub-team of this team?
[23:53] <pleia2> belkinsa: they've always been a subteam of this team
[23:53] <pleia2> I think it's still appropriate as is
[23:53] <belkinsa> Okay.
[23:54] <belkinsa> Should the other two be added to that list then?


[23:33] <johnc4510> The new issue of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available
[23:33] <johnc4510> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue181


[05:40] <nixternal_> Sysinfo for 'MasTequila': Linux 2.6.22-1-generic running Kubuntu 7.10 with KDE 3.5.6, CPU: AMDAthlon643200+ at 1000 MHz (2002 bogomips), , RAM: 395/1002MB, 100 proc's, 20.48min up
[05:40] <nixternal_> wo0t!
[05:40] <jdong> lol
[05:44] <nixternal> hehe
[05:44] <nixternal> I went ahead and did a dist-upgrade to gutsy
[05:44] <nixternal> get it over with while it is still young
[12:06] <toma> hi
[12:15] <Hobbsee> hi all
[12:33] <matusz> disappearing tooltips for applets are kubuntu specific or upstream problem?
[01:45] <fdoving> matusz: what applets?
[01:46] <matusz> any applet holding bar
[01:46] <matusz> and kmoon and kweather
[01:46] <matusz> they stop appearing when I run something from K-menu
[01:46] <matusz> but not when I just open and close the menu
[01:47] <fdoving> hang on, i'll try to reproduce.
[01:47] <matusz> they start appearing again if I switch tooltips off and back on
[01:48] <matusz> I'm on kubuntu feisty
[01:49] <fdoving> so, hold the mousepointer over kweather, it gives a bunch of info.
[01:49] <fdoving> that works.
[01:49] <fdoving> then execute a program from the kmenu.
[01:49] <fdoving> then hold the mouse over kweather again.
[01:49] <matusz> yes
[01:49] <fdoving> that works for me.
[01:49] <matusz> hm
[01:50] <fdoving> but, hang on.
[02:42] <fabo> Riddell: i'm back online ;) i started to work on strigi and heard you have in mind to update it too.
[03:05] <_StefanS_> hi there
[03:28] <paran> anyone managed to run the kde4 alpha1 from kubuntu.org?
[03:30] <paran> I am getting segfaults from ksmserver when running startkde in xephyr
[03:34] <_StefanS_> paran: me too
[03:34] <_StefanS_> paran: dont know how to fix i
[03:34] <_StefanS_> it
[03:52] <paran> I think something in the build process for the kde4 packages is wrong. lots of binaries link to old kde libs
[03:56] <paran> for example many link to libkdecore.so.4 which becomes /usr/lib64/libkdecore.so.4. should probably be /usr/lib/kde4/lib/libkdecore.so.5 from kdelibs5
[05:25] <paran> installing kde4base-dev solves the library problems, so definitely something wrong in the packaging
[05:27] <paran> with that installed starkde actually manages to start the panel for a few seconds before crashing :-)
[06:24] <MidMark> Riddell: a question: is kdebase compiled with O3 flag in gcc?
[11:53] <luca> hi everyone
[11:54] <luca> my keyboard, under KDE only, has the 'expel CD tray' shortcut (Fn+F10) not functioning, whereas in GNOME it functions flawlessly
[11:54] <luca> is there any way to fix it or some folder in which to begin to look?