[01:17] <chris__> hello, any-body?
[01:18] <valorie> what's your question, chris__?
[01:19] <chris__> I tried to compile docker in the x86 linux system, but it turned out to be failed for my network
[01:20] <chris__> so I have to compile it in our local network
[01:21] <chris__> but it has too much wrong, who can I ask for help?
[01:22] <valorie> you might ask in #ubuntu -- docker is not a Kubuntu thing
[01:22] <valorie> there are lots of docker channels, including #docker
[01:23] <valorie> why are you compiling it?
[01:23] <valorie> !info docker
[01:23] <valorie> there is a package ^^^
[01:24] <chris__> cuz our boss need it....
[01:26] <chris__> thank you, this is the first time I tried to use konversation
[01:26] <valorie> :-)
[01:26] <chris__> I have joined the #ubutu
[01:26] <valorie> it's my favorite IRC client ever
[01:26] <valorie> well, #ubuntu
[01:27] <valorie> there is an n in the middle
[01:27] <chris__> what about the telegram?
[01:27] <valorie> I use that on my phone
[01:27] <chris__> Is the konversatoin annoymouse?
[01:27] <chris__> like telegram?
[01:27] <valorie> anonymous?
[01:27] <valorie> unsure what you mean
[01:27] <valorie> you choose your nick....
[01:28] <chris__> Which means it cannot be tracing the source from the network
[01:28] <valorie> ah
[01:28] <valorie> well, I have a cloak
[01:28] <chris__> cool
[01:29] <valorie> but that's not up to konversation
[01:29] <chris__> telegram are not permitted in ur country, so I tried this IRC
[01:29] <valorie> aha
[01:29] <chris__> If konversation can transmit photo, then perfect
[01:30] <valorie> you can link a photo
[01:30] <chris__> oh! that's right!
 Hey
 How to build custom kernel kubutnu
[04:40] <tomreyn> NN: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel - ubuntu and kubuntu share the same kernel packages.
[04:40] <tomreyn> for me, this is also the first hit on a web search for "kubuntu custom kernel"
[06:03] <tomreyn> ?
[07:29] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:01] <viewer|80> can someone tell me what is the command for updating from kubuntu2004 to kubuntu2010
[08:01] <Montresor> There may be a graphical way, but I know of `do-release-upgrade`.  You may have to ensure that it's not just checking for LTS releases.
[08:03] <viewer|80> i'm ok using terminal commands Montresor
[08:05] <viewer|80> thanks Montresor I'll try that
[08:05] <Montresor> viewer|80: You may have to check a file in /etc/update-manager/*
 Or use muon to launch software-properties then you configure kubuntu to look for normal releases instead of LTS only
[08:09] <viewer|80> Montresor my update manager settings are on defaults
[08:09] <viewer|80> IrcsomeBot I'll check that - thanks
[08:15] <viewer|80> IrcsomeBot - muon settings were on LTS only as you suggested - I've altered for normal releases and will attempt the update
[08:16] <viewer|80> Montresor, IrcsomeBot - many thanks guys
[11:36] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:10] <rick-46> test
[13:13] <nolan___> anybody got experience with FlashFXP?
[13:15] <nolan___> tried doing a little bit of google'ing ... but i didn't have any luck... just trying to find a way to save a certain connection to my desktop as a single connection ICON
[13:32] <user|12349> how can i install lutris on kubuntu
[13:32] <user|12349> how can i install lutris on kubuntu
[13:33] <nolan___> you tried sudo apt install lutris ?
[13:33] <user|12349> no just instaled kubuntu on my computer
[13:42] <nolan___> oh well congratulations, and welcome
[13:49] <willzork> test
[13:49] <tomreyn> !test| willzork
[13:50] <tomreyn> but please do that in #test instead
[13:56] <willzork> What is it error: Cannot send to nick/channel
[13:59] <tomreyn> willzork: for help with irc,     /join #freenode
[16:04] <nolan___> can anyone reccomend a better "sticky notes" than the stock kde widget
[16:17] <stryker> Hello!
 @stryker, Hey
[17:47] <eeos> has anyone been able to use the ambient light sensor in kubuntu?
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/ZOQYb80B/file_38162.png
[19:15] <valorie> oh, what I said there didn't come through
[19:16] <valorie> odd error message from ktorrent
[19:28] <viewer|94> hello at all
[19:30] <viewer|94> I need help to kubuntu 20.10 because during install kubuntu have internet but post instalation says IP configuration don´t exit
[21:21] <john34563456> hello! is there any way to get chromium with vaapi support on 20.10 with intel gpu?? Unfortunately snap from candidate/vaapi channel doesn't work anymore.
 Is it possible to get kde 20?
 I meant kde 5.20 sorry
 On Ubuntu 20.10
[22:09] <guiverc> 20.10/groovy is only just out, nearly all focus/effort recently has been on making sure it was great at release time
[22:10] <guiverc> If/When newer packages are being tested, they may appear via PPA; eg. https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports?field.series_filter=groovy
[22:11] <guiverc> @Opal6 ^


[01:20] <fictional> would anyone know what coltrols the window decoration/resolution/drawing?
[01:21] <JanC> fictional: the window manager?
[01:21] <fictional> yes
[01:22] <fictional> im trying to determine where im haveing an issues at
[01:22] <fictional> imtring to run a game that worked fine bfore an upgrade the issue im haveing is with wine/vmbox/nvidia
[01:23] <fictional> the issue is ic an run the game fine in lower resolutions under wine and vmbox
[01:24] <fictional> but when i go to change resolutions in game or maximize the window the game still runs but odnt  draw the picture just black it goes along with a bug of the white windows i can link
[01:25] <JanC> that sounds like a bug in the graphics driver (or maybe in compiz?)
[01:26] <fictional> i uninstalled compiz and tried different drivers from nvidia
[01:26] <fictional> i was thinking of updated to gnome 3 but dunno if it would help
[01:27] <fictional> i can link you the bug with the white windows if you like to get a better idea
[01:27] <JanC> if it doesn't work with a "plain" window manager like Metacity, I doubt it will work in gnome shell...
[01:28] <fictional> i thinkt he white window is still happening in ubuntu no effects just slightly different
[01:28] <JanC> fictional: it's unlikely I will be able to help
[01:28] <fictional> what is plain window manager?
[01:28] <JanC> maybe wait until some of the experts are around  ☺
[01:28] <JanC> fictional: I mean something that doesn't do compositing & 3D effects
[01:30] <fictional> do you know how i get it to metacity?
[01:31] <JanC> if there is no compiz, it should use that by default, I suppose?
[17:23] <Q-FUNK> on -intel, I randomly get some windows' left-side clipped by about one console character's width, in gnome 3, on Oneiric.  is this a known issue?


[02:05] <Bluefoxicy> lol
[02:06] <Bluefoxicy> I googled "Ubuntu 15.04 release date"
[02:06] <Bluefoxicy> What are the first words that appear on the page?
[02:06] <Bluefoxicy> "As the 23 April release date approaches, it's beginning to look as though Ubuntu 15.04 (Vivid Vervet) on the desktop will be a disappointing release. "
[02:08] <Bluefoxicy> "While the option to switch to Locally Integrated Menus (LIMs) was introduced in 14.04, this is now the default in Ubuntu 15.04, with the menus appearing in the top bar of every window."
[02:09] <Bluefoxicy> When Ubuntu switched to MacOS-style menus, I went babbling on about the number of clicks required to access a menu for a non-focus window, and about the spatial locality of the application workspace and how it differs from the spatial locality of the screen workspace
[02:09] <Bluefoxicy> The next time someone tries to switch to MacOS-style menus, I'll just say "Ubuntu"
[02:11] <agronholm> I found the LIMs a much better solution than the stupid global manu bar
[02:11] <agronholm> *menu
[02:11] <Bluefoxicy> agronholm:  I argued with people and gave technical explanations on why the global menu bar is not good UI design, at all.
[02:12] <Bluefoxicy> Occasionally, this misguided belief that users are spatially aware of their desktop and NOT of the application window surfaces
[02:12] <Bluefoxicy> So people were arguing that the application window can move around the screen, and so the user will get confused and have to go hunting for the window to find the menu, instead of reaching for the top of the screen--the top of the screen is always in the same place
[02:13] <Bluefoxicy> The problem with this is people aren't spatially aware of the screen
[02:13] <Bluefoxicy> their minds context to the application they want; they locate it; and then they interact with it spatially.
[02:13] <agronholm> confused? err, that's how all GUIs work except for Mac OS
[02:13] <Bluefoxicy> It's like a coffee mug
[02:13] <Bluefoxicy> you know where the handle is on the coffee mug.
[02:13] <agronholm> yeh
[02:13] <Bluefoxicy> If you put the coffee mug elsewhere on your desk, you locate the mug, and grab the handle.
[02:14] <Bluefoxicy> if the handle was in a fixed location on your desk, you'd have to locate the mug, then identify its spatial relationship with your desk, then use that to derive the location of the handle
[02:14] <Bluefoxicy> or... locate the handle separately
[02:14] <Bluefoxicy> Anyway
[02:14] <Bluefoxicy> I've learned recently that it's pointless to argue with people
[02:14] <Bluefoxicy> They never listen.
[02:14] <Bluefoxicy> I should have handled that some other way, because facts and figures don't fucking work.
[02:15] <Bluefoxicy> But they figured it out on their own.
[02:15] <agronholm> and canonical likes to do things their way
[02:16] <agronholm> fsck the users
[02:16] <agronholm> see mir for reference
[02:16] <Bluefoxicy> oh my god
[02:16] <Bluefoxicy> ZDNet's writers are such shit
[02:17] <Bluefoxicy> agronholm: they're trying to make an Ubuntu phone (android, ios, winphone, yeah....) and their own desktop.
[02:17] <Bluefoxicy> I'm still using Gnome 3 because it's a huge step above Gnome 2
[02:18] <Bluefoxicy> People hate Gnome 3 because they want to hunt through menus, and Gnome 3's menu hunting feature is ... shit.
[02:18] <agronholm> I expect the same amount of success as Nokia saw with their Lumia phones
[02:18] <Bluefoxicy> But people also hate on Unity for the same reason
[02:18] <Bluefoxicy> while Canonical crams Unity down your throat lol...
[02:19] <agronholm> at least there are alternative editions
[02:19] <Bluefoxicy> yeah.  Like I said, I use Gnome 3
[02:19] <Bluefoxicy> gnome-ubuntu or whatevr
[02:19] <Bluefoxicy> it's just... last I used unity, it handled the desktops by showing you 4 and only 4 virtual desktops, with the applications piled onto each.
[02:20] <Bluefoxicy> Gnome shows you a zoomed-out view of all applications on exactly one desktop, which you switch through, create more of, or drag applications between.
[02:20] <Bluefoxicy> Plus I like how in Gnome you can tap the Winkey or the Activities button and start typing, and then just hit arrows or hit enter and open the application you want.
[02:21] <Bluefoxicy> There's not a lot to say about the desktop; it's just out of my way.
[02:21] <Bluefoxicy> Microsoft and Canonical are doing this thing where they want to bring the desktop environment more into the user's face to show off how it's so bling
[02:22] <Bluefoxicy> and I just want it to hand me what I want IMMEDIATELY and then go away
[03:45] <xinobrax> Bluefoxicy: some here...Unity still sucks....and usually I replace Nautilus with Nemo....Nautilus became really horrible...
[03:45] <xinobrax> *same
[08:34] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:48] <solsTiCe> hi. Whu does not ubuntu able todetect that the RTC clock is in UTC during install ? it leads to some afterwards. IT is just a matter of comparing RTC clock and some value from a ntp server (if there is internet obviously)
[09:50] <lordievader> solsTiCe: That is because other OS'es can expect the clock to be in a different format.
[11:05] <solsTiCe> lordievader: "format" ? it can only be UTC or localtime. yes windows set it to lcoaltime unless you tinker the register. I din't say ubuntu should change RTC clock. I said ubuntu should detect the value of RTC clokc and UTC value in /etc/default/rcS
[11:06] <lordievader> If you run ntpd it will correct the clock automatically.
[11:17] <MoonUnit`> looks like ntpdate is installed, seems to be a dependancy with ubuntu-minimal
[11:17] <MoonUnit`> journalctl |grep ntpdate shows it's being used, must be a systemd thing
[11:18] <lordievader> MoonUnit`: ntpdate existed way before systemd ;)
[11:18] <MoonUnit`> no i mean having it installed
[11:19] <lordievader> Thought it was ~allways included.
[11:20] <lordievader> Anyhow ntpd != ntpdate.
[11:21] <MoonUnit`> don't they both update in the system clock via ntp servers?
[11:22] <lordievader> Yes, but one is a daemon, the other isn't.
[11:25] <MoonUnit`> ntpdate seems to be called a lot, too much imo 11:10:47 11:19:24 11:28:2 11:36:42 11:44:53
[11:26] <MoonUnit`> 10 times in the last hour
[11:29] <lordievader> Ntps is also a lot nicer in correcting time difference.
[11:30] <MoonUnit`> wonder why they chose ntpdate over ntpd
[11:30] <lordievader> In most cases ntpd isn't necesarry.
[12:00] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:16]  * Bluefoxicy puts MoonUnit` in a kangaroo pouch for no apparent reason
[12:17] <Bluefoxicy> ntpdate will set your clock if it's off by more than a few seconds; ntpd won't.
[12:17] <Bluefoxicy> You need your clock topped up properly if you use kerberos tokens
[12:18] <Bluefoxicy> Sometimes, these systems drift more than 1 minute per hour
[12:18] <Bluefoxicy> Ubuntu 13.10 drifted more than 1 minute per hour for me.  I don't know why. 12.10 didn't, neither did 14.04
[12:18] <lordievader> Bluefoxicy: ntpd will slowly get your clock back in sync, it avoids huge jumps.
[12:18] <Bluefoxicy> no idea if 15.04 is going to be broken or if it'll have a working clock
[12:19] <lordievader> Heh
[12:19] <Bluefoxicy> lordievader:  maybe that's why it never did anything for me when my clock was running wildly out of sync
[12:19] <lordievader> Hmm, it should get it in sync. That is, after all, it's job.
[12:20] <Bluefoxicy> I was drifting by more than an hour per week o.o
[12:20] <BluesKaj> the clock works just fine on 15.04 here
[12:21] <Bluefoxicy> I wonder what causes some versions of Ubuntu to have clock drift
[12:25] <BluesKaj> internal clock drifts when the pc is shut down  perhaps?
[12:26] <lordievader> It shouldn't, that is what the RTC and bios battery are for.
[12:26] <penguin42> Bluefoxicy: How much does it drift?
[12:29] <penguin42> oh you said
[12:29] <penguin42> hmm, an hour a week is a lot
[12:29] <penguin42> that's > 0.5%
[12:36] <GeoMint> hello
[12:37] <lordievader> o/
[12:37] <GeoMint> for some reason my laptop does not show any tty from tty1 to tty6
[12:37] <GeoMint> i have xubuntu 15.04
[12:37] <GeoMint> its just shows a black screen
[12:38] <Bluefoxicy> penguin42: yeah.  Current version doesn't do it.  It's done it on and off for years.  I had it happen to me sometimes when I ran Gentoo, too, always for stretches of months at least; it's never been a one-off thing where it misbehaved for a week or something.
[12:39] <BluesKaj> when did this happen GeoMint ?
[12:39] <GeoMint> i think some days now it has it
[12:39] <Bluefoxicy> lordievader:  I thought Linux calculated time internally, using real-time CPU statistics (clock ticks)
[12:39] <Bluefoxicy> could be a CPU driver issue from time to time, but I have no idea.
[12:40] <BluesKaj> GeoMint, after an upgrade , dist-upgrade or an new install?
[12:40] <lordievader> Bluefoxicy: Clould be, but I think that would result in a very unstable clock.
[12:40] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Do you ever suspend?
[12:41] <BluesKaj> yes penguin42, I do on my laptop
[12:41] <GeoMint> i dont know. i am not sure. i think it did some dist upgrades. I didn't open tty's in my laptop in the last month so i can not be sure to answer you.
[12:43] <GeoMint> i am upgrading with the new updates now via apt-get
[12:45] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Sorry, that was actually a question for Bluefoxicy
[12:46] <BluesKaj> penguin42, that's fine
[12:46] <GeoMint> any ideas BluesKaj
[12:48] <BluesKaj> GeoMint, gpu driver wasn't updated maybe?
[12:49] <GeoMint> idk, my tty7 (Xorg) works great
[12:50] <BluesKaj> oh ok , you're the 2nd user who's encountered that problem in the last 2 days
[12:51] <GeoMint> hmmm thanks for letting me know that BluesKaj
[12:51] <BluesKaj> the VT isn't enabled somehow
[12:51] <GeoMint> the VT? what is this?
[12:53] <GeoMint> ohh you mean the ttys
[12:53] <GeoMint> ok
[12:54] <BluesKaj> penguin42, you mentioned there was a method to switch the VT off, wonder if the same method can  be used to turn the VTs on
[12:54] <GeoMint> i upgraded with the lastest update. so i will restart my computer after that
[12:54] <GeoMint> i am talking you from this computer so i will logout and come back again
[12:54] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I remember it being an X config thing, and I think there was also an option under input settings somewhere - all about whether ctrl-alt-fn was allowed
[12:56] <BluesKaj> penguin42, ok , some users don't even have an Xconfig file
[12:56] <penguin42> BluesKaj: On kubuntu under settings, input/keyboard, advanced
[12:56] <BluesKaj> most actually
[12:56] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Possibly then the Miscellaneous compat options, special keys handled in a server?
[12:56] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Still seems to be enabled here - but hang on, are these affected users running Mir perhaps/
[12:57] <BluesKaj> penguin42, yeah , good point
[12:57] <BluesKaj> GeoMint, unity desktop ?
[12:58] <GeoMint> Xubuntu
[12:58] <GeoMint> i can upload my /etc/init/tty1.conf if you want
[12:58] <BluesKaj> oh yeah , forgot
[12:59] <GeoMint> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10749771/ this is my conf
[12:59] <penguin42> GeoMint: If you have a working shell on your machine or ssh you can try manaually switching with the command chvt 2    (for example) - and then can switch back with chvt 7  (probabyl!)
[12:59] <BluesKaj> VT1 wasn't workinghere for a while, but the rest did
[13:00] <GeoMint> i said that my tty1,2,3,4,5,6 are a black screen
[13:00] <GeoMint> so i am not sure if that works
[13:00] <GeoMint> no idea how to do what you told me
[13:00] <penguin42> ah, so oyu can switch but they're black - hmm
[13:00] <GeoMint> yes
[13:01] <penguin42> GeoMint: If you do  systemctl | grep tty   do you see<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:02] <GeoMint> yes
[13:02] <penguin42> and does it shows it as loaded/active/running ?
[13:02] <GeoMint> all 1-6 running
[13:02] <penguin42> oh, if that's running then hmm
[13:02]  * penguin42 blinks - why does my machine have /dev/ttyS0..31
[13:02] <penguin42> it doesn't have any serial ports
[13:03] <GeoMint> wait a minute to restart my computer with the last updates and i come back
[13:06] <GeoMint> i am back BluesKaj
[13:06] <GeoMint> not any change from updates
[13:08] <GeoMint> penguin42
[13:12] <GeoMint> anyway. thanks for the informations BluesKaj penguin42 :) have a nice day
[13:22]  * BluesKaj wonders what's missing that leaves the VTs disabled
[13:26] <penguin42> yeh it's odd, if systemd thinks it's running a getty
[13:33] <BluesKaj> I haven't checked ...wonder if it's disabled here too
[13:34] <penguin42> no, he said he saw it in the list
[13:34] <BluesKaj> works here, just tried VT1
[13:35] <penguin42> yeh, works here
[13:35] <BluesKaj> but another Kubuntu 15.04 user had the VT problem yesterday
[13:36] <penguin42> I'm an upgrade here rather than clean install
[13:37] <BluesKaj> this is a daily from 2 days ago
[13:38] <penguin42> go back a step, why are they switching vt - is it only after something has already failed?
[15:12] <mrpizzaface> Hello im running ubuntu 15.04 BETA2 and i was wondering how do i remove a setting on a harddrive that i have that wont let me write to it even though i have used Gparted to formatt the drive to EXT4
[15:38] <BluesKaj> mrpizzaface, are you trying to install from live-media/usb/cd ?  if so you may need to unmount it
[18:57] <mrpizzaface> Hello im running ubuntu 15.04 BETA2 and i was wondering how do i remove a setting on a harddrive that i have that wont let me write to it even though i have used Gparted to formatt the drive to EXT4
[18:57] <mrpizzaface> (also i might have been here before but for some reason my laptop died)
[19:32] <agronholm> mrpizzaface: setting on a hard drive?
[19:32] <agronholm> and you have the file system mounted read-write?
[19:34] <mrpizzaface> agronholm, sorry didnt get my pings but nope i fixed it told google to go *** its self up a river and used bing
[19:39] <mokush> anybody else having problems with booting up vivid with the 3.19.0-12 kernel? I'm using kubuntu, and get stuck either at a blank screen, either at the blank screen with the 219 systemd version. can't switch to a different tty or anything. If I boot with 3.19.0-11 everything works ok.
[19:40] <agronholm> I have 3.19.0-12
[19:40] <agronholm> no problems whatsoever
[20:16] <lordievader> mokush: As a matter of fact, I did. Didn't look into what it acually was. Booted the previous kernel and no problems.
[20:17] <lordievader> Hmm, same version indeed.
[20:31] <mokush> lordievader: do you have an intel gpu?
[20:32] <lordievader> I do.
[20:32] <mokush> lordievader: if I enter recovery mode, then resume normal boot from there, I can boot the new kernel. but the resolution is all messed-up, so I guess it doesn't have the right video drivers?
[20:33] <lordievader> Recoverymode messes up drivers to ensure a proper boot. I.e. it uses the most basic of basic.
[20:44] <mokush> lordievader: so it must be something with 3.19.0-12 and intel drivers
[20:44] <lordievader> Looks like it.
[21:36] <furkan> anybody here using the radeonsi open source driver on vivid?
[21:37] <furkan> i'm just wondering if anybody else can reproduce these bugs:
[21:37] <furkan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1440602
[21:37] <furkan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1440606


[03:05] <micahg> eagles0513875: I'd suggest trying on Monday :)
[04:11] <eagles0513875> micahg: ok :( won't have much time sadly :( due to an exam
[04:13] <micahg> eagles0513875: weekday I mean vs weekend
[04:14] <eagles0513875> i tried friday evening central European time
[09:45] <jtaylor> micahg: is bug 655192 really sru worthy?
[09:46] <micahg> jtaylor: it's a simple enough fix, I figured why not
[09:47] <jtaylor> hm it is a good learning bug
[10:28] <geser> anyone familiar with current python packaging can take a look at https://launchpadlibrarian.net/104394860/buildlog_ubuntu-quantal-i386.python-traits_4.1.0-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz and tell if the package is doing something now obsolete?
[10:29] <geser> I'm also about the warning "W: dh_python2:90: Python 2.7 should install files in /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/. Did you forget "--install-layout=deb"?"
[10:29] <geser> is --install-layout=deb not needed anymore?
[10:42] <jtaylor> weird dh_python2 does not appear to work
[10:43] <geser> is it perhaps due to install in site-packages instead of dist-packages?
[10:43] <jtaylor> they are in dist-packages in the end
[10:43] <jtaylor> but maybe thats dh_python2's doing
[10:44] <geser> ah, right
[10:44] <jtaylor> indeed it is
[10:45] <geser> those "find" calls which produce that error come from a -predeb target in debian/rules
[10:45] <jtaylor> why does cdbs not set --install-layout
[10:45] <geser> good questions, it looks like got dropped
[10:45] <jtaylor> that would be very weird
[10:45] <geser> also in Debian too
[10:46] <geser> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/debian/sid/cdbs/sid/view/head:/1/class/python-distutils.mk.in
[10:54] <jtaylor> ah its an ubuntu only change to dh_python2
[10:54] <jtaylor> an illadvised one ...
[10:54] <jtaylor> ubuntus dh_python2 does not do the psshared move as we only have one supported version
[10:55] <jtaylor> but many packages use the pyshared folders
[10:55] <jtaylor> this is wrong, but so convinient even I did it in the past ;)
[10:56] <geser> so we need to modify packages like python-traits to work on the non-pyshared directory?
[10:56] <jtaylor> yes
[10:56] <jtaylor> and file a bug in debian
[10:56] <jtaylor> or revert the change in ubuntu
[10:57] <geser> I doubt filing those bugs in Debian would be welcomed as they don't apply do Debian
[10:57] <jtaylor> let me check my pymodules checkout for how many are affected
[10:58] <jtaylor> :/ I deleted it
[11:14] <jtaylor> I'll file a bug to revert this
[11:14] <jtaylor> to many packages are affected by that to just go and fix it shortly before wheezy freeze
[11:15] <geser> Debian still ships a pyshared directory, right?
[11:17] <jtaylor> yes
[11:17] <jtaylor> they still have two python directories
[11:18] <jtaylor> bug 1001912
[11:19] <geser> I guess it's the usual expected fallout in universe which the MOTUs should fix (similar to other toolchain changes)
[11:20] <geser> btw: I've fixed python-pyface, python-traits and python-traitsui (3 FTBFS less :) )
[11:24] <jtaylor> yey more diff from debian ...
[11:24] <jtaylor> for no real gain
[11:25] <jtaylor> I filed a bug against traits, lets see if that causes some reaction
[12:36] <geser> ScottK: Hi, as you are sort of familiar with the boost situation: do you if libbboost-all-dev will get installable again? or should packages which need boost mpi switch to build with boost1.48?
[13:30] <ScottK> geser: It will.  I need to work on that.
[13:43] <vibhav> chu: Because you /window 13
[13:43] <vibhav> oops :(
[13:47] <jtaylor> geser: did you file bugs fir pyface and traitsui?
[13:51] <geser> jtaylor: not yet, will wait on the reaction on your bug first. I'm in no mood to forward bugs for issues which are "Ubuntu-only" in the eyes of the DDs (especially Python ones)
[13:52] <jtaylor> geser: they have the same maintainer so one bug is probably enough
[15:28] <jtaylor> I'm just looking at the eggdrop sru, precise has a format-security patch oneiric doesn't
[15:28] <jtaylor> one of the issues looks scetchy but I can'T really judge if its a real issue
[15:28] <jtaylor> can I add the patch to oneiric in the sru?
[15:28] <jtaylor> bug 885329
[15:28] <jtaylor> just to be sure
[15:35] <jtaylor> nevermind the patch is buggy
[15:43] <dupondje> eggdrop is bit buggy :(
[15:46] <jtaylor> yes it looks quite awful
[15:46] <jtaylor> we alsoc an't merge with debian as the ssl patch does not exist for .20
[15:47] <jtaylor> and ubuntu has a license violation of linking ssl against gpl code ...
[15:49] <dupondje> jtaylor: http://www.egghelp.org/files/patches/eggdrop-1.6.20-ssl.zip
[15:49] <jtaylor> dupondje: that one does not work on 64 bit
[15:50] <dupondje> what patch is used now ?
[15:50] <dupondje> as bas
[15:50] <dupondje> e*
[15:50] <jtaylor> .19
[15:51] <dupondje> yea but there are multiple :)
[15:51] <jtaylor> no idea
[15:55] <dupondje> jtaylor: SSL is only diff in debian & ubuntu ?
[15:55] <jtaylor> yes
[15:55] <dupondje> shouldn't be to hard :)
[15:55] <jtaylor> if you have a good patch
[15:55]  * Laney spots dupondje volunteering to take it on
[15:55] <jtaylor> which we don't
[15:55] <Laney> also to port it to gnutls eh
[15:56] <jtaylor> I'd suggest waiting for 1.8 which has native ssl
[15:56] <jtaylor> and hopefully a ssl license exception
[15:56] <dupondje> why it needs to be moved to gnutls ? :)
[16:05] <jtaylor> does dcut work in ubuntu?
[16:06] <Laney> no
[16:08] <dupondje> I don't know if somebody here can review https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/remmina/+bug/937522
[17:18]  * dupondje thinks it shouldn't be TO hard to port eggdrop ssl patch to gnutls :)
[17:40] <dupondje> jtaylor: ?
[17:41] <dupondje> you think its usefull to work on porting ssl patch to GnuTLS ?
[17:41] <jtaylor> I don't know
[17:42] <jtaylor> first you should check how upstream solved the openssl license issue
[17:42] <jtaylor> (probably by ignoring it)
[17:42] <dupondje> upstream ?
[17:43] <jtaylor> the eggdrop developers
[17:43] <dupondje> eggdrop dev does not include SSL in 1.6.x
[17:43] <dupondje> so :)
[17:43] <jtaylor> but in 1.8
[17:43] <jtaylor> brb
[17:44] <dupondje> jtaylor: nothing in it about openssl it seems
[17:44] <dupondje> so indeed :) ignoring it :P
[18:14] <jtaylor> ok another problem with eggdrop
[18:16] <jtaylor> a no my mistake
[18:37] <dupondje> jtaylor: so what you think, try to make a GnuTLS patch ?
[18:37] <jtaylor> dupondje: contact upstream about that
[18:39] <dupondje> upstream is quite dead
[18:39] <dupondje> last commit is months ago in the 1.8 branch :s
[18:39] <jtaylor> then there is probably not much point in a port
[18:52] <Laney> man, I remember running an eggdrop bot back in the day
[18:52] <Laney> must be 10 years ago now
[18:52] <Laney> sad if it really is dead :(
[18:54] <jtaylor> how is ubuntu's stand on the openssl issue actually?
[18:54] <jtaylor> is it considered a system library?
[19:00] <Laney> what's a system library?
[19:00] <Laney> both it and gnutls26 are in main
[19:01] <jtaylor> you can consider openssl a system library which avoids the license issue
[19:01] <jtaylor> gpl has some exception for those
[19:02] <jtaylor> debian does not consider openssl a system library so you need an explicit exception
[19:03] <jtaylor> http://lintian.debian.org/tags/possible-gpl-code-linked-with-openssl.html
[19:03] <jtaylor> http://people.gnome.org/~markmc/openssl-and-the-gpl
[19:05] <dupondje> port the ssl patch to GnuTLS then :)
[19:06] <dupondje> its not so hard
[19:06] <jtaylor> if you can update the patch to tls and .21 that would be great
[19:06] <jtaylor> it should then also be published on the eggdrop site
[19:07] <jtaylor> and brought to debian
[19:07] <dupondje> the patch is around ~20 lines of real code
[19:07] <dupondje> not much :)
[19:39]  * tumbleweed wonders if weechat really needs 5 daily build PPAs https://code.launchpad.net/~weechat-devs/weechat/trunk/+recipes
[19:40] <jtaylor> lol
[19:41] <tumbleweed> they appear to all be using different versioning schemes. across several different upstream versions
[21:02] <dupondje> Could somebody review https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/remmina/+bug/937522 for me? Its been open some time now :)
[21:04] <Laney> dupondje: Surely upstream are the best people to review that
[21:04] <Laney> also, it is in main.
[21:05] <dupondje> Its already in upstream :)
[21:06] <Laney> please indicate that in the patch headers then
[21:07] <Laney> and send it to the Debian bug / link them to the commit
[21:08] <Laney> I can't help you any more than that as it is in main, but having the sponsors know it's already upstream should help.
[21:08] <ajmitch> ah, mondays
[21:08] <Laney> the best day
[21:08] <Laney> a whole new week ahead of you
[21:08] <dupondje> :)
[21:08] <dupondje> thx
[21:09] <ajmitch> Laney: when are you applying for core dev anyway?
[21:09] <Laney> soon
[21:09] <ajmitch> not soon enough!
[21:09] <Laney> i started an application ^o)
[21:09] <ajmitch> \o/
[21:10] <Laney> also, I just bzr branched ubuntu:libvirt and it was over 600 meg :O
[21:10]  * ajmitch can't really write an endorsement
[21:10] <ajmitch> 600MB? how?
[21:10] <Laney> hax
[21:10] <micahg> Laney: make something I can sponsor tomorrow :)
[21:10] <Laney> dunno who to ask for an endorsement; the problem with using the queue really
[21:10] <ajmitch> about the only thing I've sponsored for Laney would have been mono once :)
[21:11]  * ajmitch is finally feeling less dead after the ubuflu, time to start on work items this week
[21:11] <Laney> micahg: maybe a libvirt depending on how that pans out ...
[21:12] <ajmitch> 600MB of pain there
[21:12] <Laney> yeah i'll do a debdiff
[21:12] <Laney> only using bzr to make the merging easier
[21:12] <ajmitch> need shallow checkout
[21:12] <Laney> if only we had a mom to look after us
[21:13] <Laney> 545 conflicts encountered.
[21:13] <Laney> no thanks
[21:13] <ajmitch> ouch
[21:13] <ajmitch> trying to merge in a new upstream version for some reason?
[21:13] <Laney> my end goal is gnome-boxes
[21:13] <ajmitch> ah right
[21:14]  * ajmitch was wondering why you'd touch libvirt, usually the server team cares for that
[21:14] <Laney> perhaps jbicha has looked into this ¬_¬
[21:14] <dupondje> I would like to do some merges, but since the MoM is down, I lost overview
[21:15] <ajmitch> dupondje: what are you needing?
[21:16] <dupondje> MoM overview :)
[21:16] <ajmitch> we should have the list of packages that need merged, but probably not the last uploader & generated diff
[21:17] <Laney> I thought http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/~lucas/merges.html was a URL
[21:17] <dupondje> thats a 404 :)
[21:17] <ajmitch> Laney: s/qa/people/
[21:17] <Laney> ah
[21:17] <ajmitch> so that does have last uploader
[21:18] <Laney> does, with horizontal scrolling
[21:18] <ajmitch> get a wider screen? :)
[21:18]  * Laney tugs at the laptop
[21:18] <ajmitch> ugh
[21:18]  * ajmitch is listed as TIL for openclipart
[21:19]  * ajmitch blames micahg for that one
[21:19] <ajmitch> I guess I really do need to buy that new hardware so I can build it :)
[21:20] <Laney> to the cloud!
[21:20] <ajmitch> Laney: it took several hours with only 4GB of RAM in my laptop
[21:21] <Laney> High-Memory Quadruple Extra Large Instance
[21:21] <Laney> 68.4 GB of memory
[21:21] <dupondje> cool good list, I think i'll enter some sync/merges tomorrow ^^
[21:21]  * ajmitch will need a mortgage
[21:21] <Laney> i wonder how much an hour on that is
[21:22] <ajmitch> more than I want to pay?
[21:22] <Laney> $1.800 per Hour
[21:22] <Laney> not so bad!
[21:22]  * ajmitch will let Laney do all the haskell-* packages
[21:26] <lifeless> Laney: go for a x8.large; 32 core no VM :)
[21:31] <micahg> Laney: openclipart took 9 hours for me to build with 8 cores
[21:33] <ajmitch> micahg: so.. technically you TIL, right? :)
[21:33] <micahg> ajmitch: can't we just sync it?
[21:33] <Laney> lifeless: so hardcore I can't even find any information about it :P
[21:33] <ajmitch> micahg: it should be syncable, yes
[21:34] <Laney> syncs don't need test-building, right? ^_^
[21:34] <jbicha> the libvirt packaging seemed a bit complex to merge, ie I couldn't tell how much of the diff was important
[21:34] <micahg> ajmitch: I'll try to do the test build when I go to sleep
[21:34] <ajmitch> micahg: thanks :)
[21:34] <ajmitch> Laney: micahg will jump out & kill me if I don't test-build
[21:35] <micahg> Laney: jbicha: please talk to hallyn before merging libvirt (to see if there's any reason not to, caveats to watch for, or if he's already working on it)
[21:35] <Laney> of course
[21:35] <jbicha> I'm not touching libvirt :)
[21:37] <Laney> it is a pretty fearsome diff
[21:38] <lifeless> Laney: http://docs.amazonwebservices.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/using_cluster_computing.html#concepts_cluster_compute_hvmAMI
[21:38] <lifeless> Laney: there are Ubuntu AMIs
[22:11] <Laney> I think I might leave this merge :P
[22:13] <micahg> Laney: you can do gimp for me if you're looking for something to do :)
[22:16] <Laney> oh look, time to go to bed!
[22:16] <Laney> nn
[22:16] <micahg> heh
[22:16] <bobweaver> micahg,  what do you need done in gimp ?
[22:17] <micahg> bobweaver: oh, it's just on my list to merge tonight :)
[22:19] <bobweaver> micahg,  I am always willing to help / do grunt work :)
[22:20] <bobweaver> here is some of my gimp work
[22:20] <bobweaver> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~josephjamesmills/ubuntu-packaging-guide/fixed-bug767276/files/head:/images/
[22:22]  * bobweaver is trying to get iso image together tonight of ubuntutv .  back to vala
[22:23] <micahg> bobweaver: well, I'm expecting stuff to break in the merge
[22:23] <bobweaver> Oo


[10:24] <Matic> Hi, how do I convert .bat files to .sh for linux execution of java apps?
[10:31] <persia> It's more complicated than that, sometimes.
[10:31] <persia> For a simple .bat file that just has one line calling java, you might be able to just rename it.
[10:32] <persia> For something more complex, you'd have change how variables are set, etc.
[10:36] <Matic> persia, where can I post the .bat file so you may have a look at it
[10:37] <persia> paste.ubuntu.com, but realise that I may not be able to tell you the answer.
[10:40] <Matic> persia, there it is at http://paste.ubuntu.com/162076/
[10:41] <persia> That falls into the middle.
[10:41] <persia> You'd have to convert all the set lines to shell variable assignments (and make sure the paths were useful in your context).
[10:41] <persia> The echo command is the same (except is has to be lowercase).
[10:42] <persia> And then use shell variable references in the last line.
[10:42] <persia> I don't know if it will work, but that's how I'd convert it if I was trying.
[10:43] <Matic> persia, ok thanks let me try that


[01:43] <mwhudson> RAOF: huh looks like only the desktop canary isos are building?
[01:43] <mwhudson> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntu/hirsute/daily-live-20210222.1.log
[01:43] <mwhudson> ah no non-canary builds are in https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntu/hirsute/daily-live-20210222.log
[01:43] <mwhudson> eep /me runs away
[01:46] <RAOF> Oh! There are more recent builds published to /pending; I guess the amd64 (but not the arm64) ISOs are failing tests that would copy them to /current?
[02:52] <mwhudson> ah yes
[02:54] <mwhudson> RAOF: wanna take bets on whether the reason the arm64 isos are getting promoted is because there is no CI?
[02:55] <RAOF> Only if I get to take the positive case :)
[02:56] <mwhudson> (i don't know where desktop CI lives, it turns out)
[02:57] <mwhudson> oh wait yes i do
[02:58] <mwhudson> https://platform-qa-jenkins.ubuntu.com/view/Desktop/job/ubuntu-hirsute-desktop-amd64-smoke-default/
[02:59] <mwhudson> utah.timeout.UTAHTimeout: _provision(None) timed out after 9000 seconds, not very clear
[14:02] <sil2100> cpaelzer: hey! I know it's probably already on your plate, but just wanted to know if you had a moment to take a look at that needrestart MIR already o/
[14:18] <cpaelzer> sil2100: it is on the plate to be distributed among the team this afternoon in our weekly meeting
[14:21] <sil2100> Awesome o/ Thank you


 Some tool chest designs
[11:43] <rick_h_> http://blog.lostartpress.com/2012/08/13/refurbishing-a-tool-chest/
[11:43] <rick_h_> http://blog.lostartpress.com/2012/08/24/the-traveling-anarchists-tool-chest/
[11:45] <rick_h_> I'm debating on trying to build either http://blog.lostartpress.com/2013/01/11/a-quick-tour-of-the-dutch-tool-chest/ or http://blog.lostartpress.com/2012/02/18/anarchists-tool-chest-on-the-woodwrights-shop/
[12:39] <snap-l> Well, it was too good to be true:
[12:39] <rick_h_> ruh roh
[12:39] <snap-l> https://twitter.com/squeekyhoho/status/293336347144511488
[12:42] <snap-l> Also, keyboard is scheduled for Friday
[12:42] <snap-l> Not sure JoDee can last that long. ;)
[12:42] <rick_h_> lol
[12:58] <snap-l> https://twitter.com/squeekyhoho/status/293341665501003776
[12:59] <snap-l> Lemons -> Lemonade
[14:41] <snap-l> Looks like the UPS on this computer at work is having issues
[14:41] <snap-l> came in to find it "overloaded"
[14:41] <snap-l> even though there wasn't much plugged in or even operational
[14:42] <snap-l> apparently it is something to do with the fans connected to it.
[14:43] <brousch> We had 3 UPSes wigging out today too
[14:43] <brousch> Must have been a very brief power outage here
[14:43] <rick_h_> ugh
[15:25] <jrwren> snap-l: so did you snag all the material from bandcamp while it was marked CC ?
[15:25] <jrwren> their mistake is your added freedom!
[15:31] <snap-l> jrwren: No, I didn't.
[15:31] <snap-l> And frankly I'd rather save my resources for folks who "get it".
[15:32] <snap-l> Would have been awesome though if they had, but there is still time. The project isn't signed to a label.
[15:32] <snap-l> I doubt they'll reconsider, but you never know.
[15:35] <snap-l> You get nothing if you don't ask.
[17:42] <jcastro> hey snap-l
[17:42] <jcastro> do you own drums at this point in time?
[17:43] <jcastro> n0p: are you off today?
[17:43] <n0p> nope, working
[17:46] <jcastro> n0p: we need to find time to jam bro
[17:50] <snap-l> I have a drum set that needs reskilling
[17:50] <snap-l> reskinning, too. ;)
[17:50] <snap-l> The heads are over 10 years old.
[17:51] <snap-l> Just give me a few days notice, I'll get some new heads.
[18:05] <jcastro> well, that's 2 people
[18:05] <jcastro> n0p: *cough*
[18:06] <n0p> eh, i have so much to do on my house, and so out of practice.. :-/ soonest i see myself having fun is summer time
[18:07] <jcastro> man have you ever heard me play?
[18:07] <jcastro> I am the worst one
[18:07] <jcastro> it could be like stress relief
[18:08] <jcastro> plus "crappy" for flav is like awesome for the rest of us
[18:42] <rick_h_> http://r.bmark.us/u/bd898d5cbe1711 is interesting in the Ubuntu/Obama combination of things.
[18:42] <rick_h_> "When I was at Threadless, it was all physical boxes and it was RHEL, I wanted to kill myself!" :P
[18:57] <jcastro> Request Time: 0.374
[18:57] <jcastro> nice metric!
[19:05] <snap-l> TIL: There was a //e Platinum: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Apple_Platinum_IIe.jpg
[19:05] <rick_h_> hah, well that's just how long it took my app to d/l the original article
[19:05] <snap-l> Man, Apple made some sexy hardware.
[19:27] <brousch> snap-l: They still do
[19:40] <rick_h_> *sigh* 2minutes on the bootstrap mailing list and I'm already afraid. Damn people that don't know how things work :/
[19:50] <snap-l> rick_h_: Twitter makes it, so it must be automatic.
[19:50] <brousch> I didn't like bootstrap. It requires grbage in your HTML
[20:44] <Wolfger> call me way behind the times, but Precise Pangolin isn't the latest release, is it?
[20:46] <snap-l> It's the latest LTS release
[20:46] <snap-l> 12.04
[20:46] <snap-l> Work is starting on Raring Ringtail
[20:46] <snap-l> 13.04
[20:46] <snap-l> Quantal Quetzal was 12.10
[20:47]  * snap-l really hopes he can win $$ for knowing these things someday.
[20:48] <Wolfger> Just wondering why I only upgraded to Precise today, and didn't upgrade a second time. It's because Kubuntu is dead, isn't it? :-p
[20:49] <brousch> No. LTS does not automatically upgrade
[20:49] <Wolfger> oh
[20:49] <brousch> You need to explicitly tell it to upgrade to non-LTS
[20:49] <brousch> Kubuntu is the best Ubuntu
[20:49] <Wolfger> always was
[20:49] <brousch> Well, server might be better
[21:20] <Wolfger> I'm annoyed with package management and/or k3b. Every time I run k3b it tells me packages can be installed for additional functionality. It's always the same package (mp3) and I always say yes and it always says it successfully installed. :-/
[21:22] <brousch> Wolfger++
[21:28] <Wolfger> installed lame manually, now can rip to mp3, but still getting same freaking message
[21:29] <brousch> Yes. Evr time
[21:29] <snap-l> Anyone else having problems with Dropbox saying it Can't find Dropbox folder?
[21:29] <snap-l> s/find/access/
[21:30] <snap-l> I managed to clear that message out yesterday with a reboot, and now it's back
[21:30] <brousch> Mine seems OK
[21:30] <snap-l> I'd rather not have to reboot
[21:30] <snap-l> and the only info I found made mention of redoing grub
[21:31] <snap-l> Which makes me wonder what the hell grub would have to do with Dropbox.
[21:31] <brousch> geez
[21:31] <brousch> yeah
[21:31] <brousch> At worst I would think uninstall/reinstall dropbox
[21:31] <snap-l> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2078554
[21:31] <snap-l> Good ol' ubuntuforums
[21:32] <snap-l> I swear I'd block 'em forever if they didn't turn up the occasional nugget.
[21:32] <snap-l> I tried reinstall
[21:42] <jcastro> snap-l: try blowing away .dropbox
[21:42] <jcastro> (not .dropbox-dist)
[21:42] <jcastro> and then restarting it
[21:42] <snap-l> won't that cause problems?
[21:42] <jcastro> actually, close it, remove the directory, and then restart it
[21:42] <jcastro> it'll need to reindex and so on
[21:42] <jcastro> but it's like, an equivalent of a clean install for db
[21:43] <snap-l> I moved it to .dropbox.old
[21:58] <snap-l> ARGH!
[21:58] <snap-l> Still says it can't access dropbox folder.
[21:58] <snap-l> What the hell
[21:59] <jcastro> huh
[21:59] <jcastro> what's the permissions on it?
[22:00] <snap-l> 700 with me as the owner
[22:01] <snap-l> 770 = same result
[22:02] <snap-l> The infuriating part is it was working just fine until it wasn't
[23:07] <jrwren> jcastro: fun with fanzoo on wednesday?


[09:07] <Milos_SD> HI guys ... Do you know will the bug with download manager in firefox be fixed?
[09:07] <Milos_SD> Firefox nightly


[00:22] <keyhaaf> Where's the best place to report a hardware function-key issue?
[01:45] <maitake> well Xubuntu, elementary no more
[01:45] <maitake> lol
[01:45] <maitake> elementary os turned out extremely underwhelming
[01:45] <maitake> back to XFCE it is...
[01:51] <xubuntu894> hi
[03:01] <xubuntu591> How do I access the Advanced Ubuntu options upon start up?
[05:39] <_ingsoc> Does anyone know if the xubuntu-theme for Wordpress is available somewhere?
[05:40] <_ingsoc> I can see there's http://xubuntu.org/wp-content/themes/xubuntu-theme/xubuntu-wp/ but it's inaccessible (for good reason).
[12:15] <xubuntu658> Hi. Just installed Xubuntu. So far so good =)
[12:57] <Stek_Turku> hi all
[12:59] <Stek_Turku> jnlp and iced-tea.... i have a problem... my jnlp files didn't work
[12:59] <Stek_Turku> does anyone know how to resolve this problem?
[13:13] <bekks> Stek_Turku: Define "dont work" please. Do they refuse to work, sit around and drink beer all day?
[13:14] <Stek_Turku> can i put directly the output here?
[13:14] <Stek_Turku> from my shell?
[13:14] <bekks> No, use a pastebin.
[13:14] <Stek_Turku> ok
[13:19] <Stek_Turku> http://pastebin.com/TA1MRaWC
[13:19] <Stek_Turku> @bekks: http://pastebin.com/TA1MRaWC
[13:19] <Stek_Turku> bekks: http://pastebin.com/TA1MRaWC
[13:20] <Stek_Turku> in the past i have no problem with my jnlp files
[13:20] <bekks> "Cannot connect to SOCKS proxy". The error is quite obvious, isnt it?
[13:21] <Stek_Turku> it was only a problem of internet connection?
[13:23] <Stek_Turku> bekks: first of all thank you for your answers and sorry but i am a beginner... for me jar files and jnlp files are program that i launch by javaws and java -jar commands
[14:33] <phoenix__> hi
[14:33] <phoenix__> i installed xubuntu on my dell laptop
[14:34] <phoenix__> then i added a new user > account type administrator
[14:35] <phoenix__> then i deleted the previous account which i had created at the time of installation
[14:35] <phoenix__> now i am unable to perform any administrator task with the latter account
[14:36] <phoenix__> even though in the users settings it is being shown as administrator
[14:36] <pmjdebru1jn> "define administrator task"
[14:36] <pmjdebru1jn> does sudo -s on a Terminal work
[14:36] <phoenix__> when i try to run a command with sudo it says you are not in sudoers list
[14:36] <pmjdebru1jn> oh ouch
[14:37] <pmjdebru1jn> what does `groups` say
[14:38] <pmjdebru1jn> and
[14:38] <pmjdebru1jn> getent group | grep sudo
[14:38] <phoenix__> pmjdebru1jn, i am unable to unlock users settings
[14:39] <bekks> pmjdebru1jn: Useless use of grep. Use: getent group sudo
[14:39] <pmjdebru1jn> bekks: who cares :)
[14:39] <phoenix__> sudo x:27
[14:39] <bekks> The user.
[14:40] <phoenix__> sudo x:27:
[14:40] <pmjdebru1jn> ah, well that your problem
[14:40] <bekks> No, it isnt.
[14:40] <pmjdebru1jn> huh?
[14:40] <bekks> The non-existing entry for the user in the /etc/sudoers file is.
[14:41] <bekks> You dont need to be a member of the sudo group to use sudo.
[14:41] <pmjdebru1jn> that's the standard mechanism AFAIK
[14:41] <bekks> The standard mechanism is an entry in the /etc/sudoers file.
[14:42] <phoenix__> there is no /etc/sudoers file on my system
[14:42] <pmjdebru1jn> huh?
[14:42] <bekks> phoenix__: Then you dont have sudo installed.
[14:42] <phoenix__> bekks, ok there is sorry
[14:42] <pmjdebru1jn> bekks: at least standard Ubuntu tools add the admin users into the sudo group, instead of making a sudoers entry... which totally makes sense, as it's very easy to add/remove people from the sudo group
[14:43] <bekks> pmjdebru1jn: Then take a close look at the /etc/sudoers file, and you will see an entry for the sudo group.
[14:43] <pmjdebru1jn> bekks: yes of course
[14:43] <pmjdebru1jn> obviously
[14:44] <pmjdebru1jn> I meant the standard mechanism for Ubuntu (not per-se sudo upstream)
[14:44] <bekks> And that entry is just used to faciliate the usage even more - and its basically not necessary to be a member of the sudo group to use sudo.
[14:44] <pmjdebru1jn> we are in #xubuntu after all....
[14:44] <pmjdebru1jn> bekks: of course
[14:45] <phoenix__> what should i do?
[14:45] <bekks> phoenix__: either add your user to the sudo group and log out and login back in completely, or add an entry to the /etc/sudoers file allowing your user to use sudo.
[14:52] <phoenix__> bekks, but that i suppose would require root priveleges
[14:52] <bekks> Correct.
[14:53] <bekks> And the user that was created during the installation should have sudo privileges. If it doesnt, you need to use a live CD, boot it, fix it, and continue.
[14:55] <phoenix__> bekks, the user that was created during install was deleted
[14:56] <bekks> Then you need to follow the instructions given above.
[14:56] <phoenix__> bekks, how to fix
[14:57] <bekks> phoenix__: either add your user to the sudo group and log out and login back in completely, or add an entry to the /etc/sudoers file allowing your user to use sudo.
[14:58] <pmjdebru1jn> phoenix__: if you don't know how to rescue a system using a live cd... a reinstall might be better suited
[14:59] <pmjdebru1jn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery#Add_User_to_a_Group this might help
[15:00] <bekks> Reinstallation isnt needed at all.
[15:01] <pmjdebru1jn> of course it's not, but not everybody has the skill to do a recovery :)
[15:02] <pmjdebru1jn> phoenix__: that page I posted has some guidelines on how to do a recovery
[15:04] <phoenix__> pmjdebru1jn, bekks thanks a lot, i though i would have to reinstall
[15:07] <ManiacTwister> Hello, can someone help me with this problem please: http://askubuntu.com/questions/308172/fglrx-doesnt-find-libc6
[18:52] <viertel> when logging in the 'chooser' always appears despite changing the manager settings... how can I stop this?
[19:28] <nl287> hi
[19:30] <nl287> suspend working very well but strange hibernate is disabled
[19:31] <Sysi> https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-help/power-hibernate.html
[19:32] <nl287> Sysi: thx
[19:32] <nl287> but if suspend is in logout menu why hibernate is not?
[20:43] <bullgard4> nl287: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-help/power-hibernate.html: "Unfortunately, hibernate doesn't work in many cases with Ubuntu, which can cause you to lose data if you expect your documents and applications to re-open when you switch your computer back on. "
[21:07] <peyam> Hi
[21:07] <peyam> I wana try Cinnamon
[21:07] <peyam> is it worth it?
[21:11] <brainwash> peyam: wrong channel, try #xubuntu-offtopic
[21:12] <peyam> Does xubuntu work with Cinnamonm?
[22:21] <albertmorfe> hola
[22:22] <albertmorfe> algun cliente de twitter que fucione bien
[22:22] <well_laid_lawn> pt or es ?
[22:22] <well_laid_lawn> !es
[22:22] <well_laid_lawn> albertmorfe:  ↑
[22:29] <Maggie> How do I get the Advanced Xubuntu options to appear so I may change the version when starting up?
[23:04] <MrHotsauce> Maggie: hold shift while booting
[23:07] <Maggie> thank you MrHotsauce! I upgraded to Ringtail, had problems with flash
[23:08] <MrHotsauce> well
[23:08] <MrHotsauce> that only lets you select kernal version i believe
[23:08] <MrHotsauce> unless you have a dual boot setup going you can only change kernal i think
[23:09] <Maggie> will try it and come back to let you know
[23:16] <Maggie> MrHotsauce, i held down shift upon boot and didn't get the window to change the version.  I tried F12 and it didn't work either
[23:58] <Maggie> MrHotsauce:  I tried it again and it worked!  Thank you so much!
[23:59] <MrHotsauce> good!
[23:59] <MrHotsauce> sorry i was the phone with family i didnt see you reply


[01:12] <bdrung> why can't i change the merge proposal to rejected? https://code.launchpad.net/~arnegoetje/ubuntu/maverick/ibus/merge-from-sid/+merge/31945
[01:18] <jelmer> bdrung, only people in the ubuntu-branches team would be able to
[01:19] <jelmer> bdrung: IIRC the plan is to make the branch review permissions match the permissions for the particular package in the archive.
[01:19] <jelmer> bdrung: but we're not there yet.
[01:19] <bdrung> whom can i ask to set the status in the meantime?
[01:20] <bdrung> there are a bunch of merge request that making the sponsor queue look greater than it is
[01:21] <bdrung> jelmer: ^
[01:22] <jelmer> bdrung: I think the permission that proposed the merge might be able to change the status.
[01:22] <bdrung> "the permission that proposed the merge" ?
[01:23] <bdrung> jelmer: the merge requesters cannot reject their own requests (only delete -> lost comments)
[01:25] <jelmer> bdrung: Sorry, it's getting late here. I meant the person that proposed the merge.
[01:25] <bdrung> jelmer: it's late here too (utc + 0200)
[01:25] <jelmer> I guess you're in the same timezone then :-)
[01:25] <jelmer> bdrung: If they can't change the status then I think the only alternative is to ask one of the people who are a member of the ubuntu-branches team.
[01:26] <bdrung> jelmer: country?
[01:26] <jelmer> bdrung: Netherlands
[01:26] <jelmer> bdrung: you?
[01:26] <bdrung> jelmer: germany
[01:26] <bdrung> (berlin)
[01:28] <bdrung> jelmer: can you recommend one ubuntu-branches member?
[01:28] <jelmer> they're all equally tasty
[01:29] <bdrung> jelmer: is there an easy way to get their irc nicks from the launchpad team site?
[01:29] <jelmer> Anyway, sorry for the cannibalism joke... lifeless and james_w are here
[01:30] <jelmer> The ubuntu tech board is also a member
[01:30] <lifeless> tech board is the right group to ask
[01:30] <lifeless> its a bug that anyone other than it is in the group
[01:30] <lifeless> (but not one simply fixed by removing james and I
[01:30] <lifeless> )
[01:31] <jelmer> lifeless: Perhaps the ~ubuntu-branches team page can be updated to include that information?
[01:32] <lifeless> james_w: ^ :)
[01:32] <lifeless> james_w: I'm only in it to be able to do some necessary with the udd project
[01:33] <bdrung> lifeless: can you mark the branch as rejected nevertheless?
[01:33] <lifeless> I'd _really_ rather not
[01:34] <james_w> bdrung: you can upload the package in question?
[01:34] <bdrung> james_w: yes (i am core-dev)
[01:35] <james_w> bdrung: then it's probably a bug that can't edit the merge proposal
[01:35] <lifeless> it definitely is
[01:36] <bdrung> i can mark it as 'merged' but not as 'rejected'
[01:36] <james_w> hmm
[01:36] <james_w> that might be an LP decision. I don't know if that is specific to package branches
[01:36] <james_w> bdrung: please file a bug on the 'udd' project
[01:42] <bdrung> james_w: bug #618448
[01:42] <james_w> thanks
[02:10] <abletonguy> Monome vs Launchpad?
[02:10] <lifeless> I don't know what you mean by that question
[02:12] <abletonguy> As in appearance, usability etc.
[02:13] <lifeless> monome appears to be a music sequencer?
[02:14] <abletonguy> Controller interface for programming, think iv'e got the wrong launchpad ^^
[02:14] <lifeless> I think so :)
[02:15] <lifeless> launchpad.net is a web site for hosting & collaborating on code
[02:17] <abletonguy> So Launchpad could still help me with my launchpad?
[02:17] <lifeless> possibly ;)
[02:22] <abletonguy> Will return when i have something good to say  d:)
[03:13] <Muscovy> How often is karma calculated? I just changed my LP username yesterday, and I notice my Karma hasn't been re-calculated for about 2 days.
[03:14] <mwhudson> daily
[03:14] <mwhudson> which means sometime in the early morning uk time i thnk
[03:15] <Muscovy> If I read maps correctly, that should be soonish.
[03:16] <wgrant> It used to be in about two hours.
[03:16] <Muscovy> I'm just worried about weird repercussions for the namechange.
[03:16] <wgrant> Not sure any more.
[03:16] <lifeless> Muscovy: I don't think your name change will have any effect
[09:29] <zoi_> hi
[09:29] <zoi_> hello??
[09:30] <henninge> zoi_: Hi!
[09:30] <zoi_> i cant download Zaz deb,its a game like zuma
[09:30] <henninge> just ask a question and wait (patiently) for somebody who may be able to help you to answer.
[09:31] <zoi_> it says :
[09:31] <henninge> zoi_: where are you trying to download?
[09:31] <zoi_> Please try again
[09:31] <zoi_> Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server.
[09:31] <zoi_> Try reloading this page in a minute or two. If the problem persists, let us know in the #launchpad IRC channel on Freenode.
[09:31] <zoi_> Thanks for your patience.
[09:31] <henninge> Ah
[09:32] <henninge> zoi_: yes, the URL would be vital information here ;)
[09:32] <zoi_> i try to download it from here :https://edge.launchpad.net/%7Enilarimogard/+archive/webupd8/+files/zaz_0.3.1-1%7Eppa1%7Ekarmic1_i386.deb
[09:33] <henninge> zoi_: I get a 404 on that one now.
[09:33] <henninge> (It's the "Lost something?" page)
[09:34] <henninge> zoi_: where did you get that URL from?
[09:34] <zoi_> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/02/zaz-is-addictive-arcade-action-puzzle.html
[09:35] <zoi_> oh,i just find a script :sudo add-apt-repository ppa:nilarimogard/webupd8 && sudo apt-get update
[09:35] <zoi_> sudo apt-get install zaz
[09:35] <henninge> zoi_: Outdated URL, I'd say. You have to ask webupd8.org to give you a current URL.
[09:35] <henninge> or that ... ;-)
[09:36] <zoi_> maybe this script works i twill try it now
[09:36] <henninge> zoi_: I'd try only the last part first.
[09:39] <zoi_> it works,i gave to terminal sudo add-apt-repository ppa:nilarimogard/webupd8 && sudo apt-get update
[09:39] <zoi_> sudo apt-get install zaz and it works
[09:39] <henninge> Congrats
[09:39] <zoi_>  _______________________________________
[09:39] <zoi_> |                                       |
[09:39] <zoi_> | It was wonderful to find America, but |
[09:39] <zoi_> | it would have been more wonderful to  |
[09:39] <zoi_> | miss it.                              |
[09:39] <zoi_> |                                       |
[09:39] <zoi_> | -- Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's   |
[09:39] <zoi_> \ Calendar"                             /
[09:39] <zoi_>  ---------------------------------------
[09:39] <zoi_>   \
[09:39] <zoi_>    \   \_\_    _/_/
[09:39] <zoi_>     \      \__/
[09:39] <zoi_>            (oo)\_______
[09:39] <zoi_>            (__)\       )\/\
[09:39] <zoi_>                ||----w |
[09:40] <zoi_>                ||     ||
[09:40] <zoi_> zoi@zoi-laptop ~ $ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:nilarimogard/webupd8 && sudo apt-get update
[09:40] <zoi_> [sudo] password for zoi:
[09:40] <zoi_> Executing: gpg --ignore-time-conflict --no-options --no-default-keyring --secret-keyring /etc/apt/secring.gpg --trustdb-name /etc/apt/trustdb.gpg --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --primary-keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv 1DB29AFFF6C70907B57AA31F531EE72F4C9D234C
[09:40] <zoi_> gpg: requesting key 4C9D234C from hkp server keyserver.ubuntu.com
[09:40] <zoi_> gpg: key 4C9D234C: public key "Launchpad webupd8" imported
[09:40] <zoi_> gpg: Συνολικός αριθμός που επεξεργάστηκαν: 1
[09:40] <zoi_> gpg:               εισαχθέντα: 1  (RSA: 1)
[09:40] <zoi_> Αγνόησε file: binary/ Release.gpg
[09:40] <zoi_> Αγνόησε file:/usr/share/local-repository/ binary/ Translation-el
[09:40] <zoi_> Αγνόησε file: binary/ Release
[09:40] <zoi_> Αγνόησε file: binary/ Packages
[09:40] <zoi_> Αγνόησε file: binary/ Packages
[09:40] <zoi_> Φέρε:1 http://packages.linuxmint.com isadora Release.gpg [198B]
[09:40] <zoi_> Hit http://archive.canonical.com lucid Release.gpg
[09:40] <zoi_> Αγνόησε http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ lucid/partner Translation-el
[09:40] <henninge> zoi_: are you pasting that on purpose?
[09:40] <zoi_> Hit http://ppa.launchpad.net lucid Release.gpg
[09:40] <zoi_> Αγνόησε http://ppa.launchpad.net/cairo-dock-team/ppa/ubuntu/ lucid/main Translation-el
[09:40] <zoi_> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com lucid-security Release.gpg
[09:40] <zoi_> Αγνόησε http://secur
[09:40] <zoi_> ok thanks for trying to help :)
[09:41] <henninge> zoi_: please don't do that again, pasting all that stuff...
[09:41] <zoi_> oh ok sorry!!
[09:41] <henninge> zoi_: np, enjoy the game ;)
[09:41] <zoi_> thanks
[10:42] <swoody> is there a way to add screenshots for an app/project in LP?
[10:47] <aquarius> if a branch is private, how do I find out why it is, and make it not so?
 if a branch is private, how do I find out why it is, and make it not so?
[11:18] <maxb> Ask the owner of the branch?
[11:21] <aquarius> I am the owner. I sorted it, though, with lo-sa help :)
[11:46] <swoody> still trying to see if there's a way to upload screenshots onto LP
[11:51] <nigelb> swoody: upload it somewhere else and link it from your project description?
[11:51] <swoody> nigelb: that's all I could think of too :/
[11:53] <nigelb> swoody: I may be wrong, but I can't think of any in-built way.
[11:53] <swoody> nor I, I was hoping there may be some obscure spot for 'em, but I'm at wits end trying to find it ;)
[12:01] <maxb> aquarius: As the owner, I believe you should be able to control private-ness of a branch via "Change branch details", subject to the policy set on the project
[12:01] <maxb> projects can have policies like "allow private branches" or "all branches must be private"
[12:02] <herman> Can anyone tell me why the package I'm trying to build in a PPA only ends up with one deb when I'm expecting two to be created?
[12:03] <herman> When I build locally I get two deb files out so I'm quite confused
[12:03] <herman> https://launchpad.net/~zeelabs/+archive/ppa/+packages
[12:13] <jelmer> herman: hi
[12:13] <herman> hiya
[12:13] <jelmer> herman: I see two binary packages in that PPA, they're both listed under the single source package
[12:13] <jelmer> couchdb and couchdb-bin
[12:15] <herman> Ah, I think I understand. The couchdb package presumably came from the i386 build, but the amd64 build finished first hence I thought it was incomplete
[12:15] <herman> Sorry, I'm just being dim.
[12:16] <herman> jelmer: thanks for taking a look, sorry for wasting your time.
[13:01] <Ddorda> hey guys. i wish to know if it is possible to make a registration form to LP outside LP
[13:02] <Ddorda> so when people will register my site they will actually register LP
[13:12] <shadeslayer> lifeless: was trying to go through a recipe.. specifically the one owned by ~rekonq
[14:00] <deryck> Looks like I'm CHR today and forgot.
[14:02] <shadeslayer> deryck: OOPS-1688EB2508
[14:03] <shadeslayer> i get that when opening ~rekonq recipe
[14:04] <deryck> shadeslayer, let me look to see if that's known, or if we should get a bug filed about it.
[14:04] <shadeslayer> sure
[14:08] <deryck> shadeslayer, I can't find a bug about that.  Could you file one against launchpad-code and include the OOPS number?
[14:08] <shadeslayer> sure
[14:08] <shadeslayer> deryck: against soyuz right?
[14:09] <deryck> shadeslayer, I thought the code team was working on recipe stuff.  bigjools, should a recipe OOPS be filed against soyuz, or code?
[14:09] <bigjools> deryck: code
[14:09] <deryck> bigjools, thanks
[14:10] <deryck> shadeslayer, yeah, so file against launchpad-code.
[14:10] <bigjools> np :)
[14:10] <shadeslayer> ok
[14:10] <shadeslayer> deryck: its actually that the lp page for the recipe doesnt open
[14:11] <deryck> shadeslayer, it's a TypeError when trying to do  None + int.
[14:11] <shadeslayer> oic
[14:12] <shadeslayer> deryck: will file one in a few mins
[14:12] <deryck> shadeslayer, thanks!  Sorry it's not working for you.
[14:13] <shadeslayer> no problem :)
[14:25] <falktx> hey guys
[14:26] <falktx> I'm having a package upload error - https://launchpad.net/~falk-t-j/+archive/lucid-latest/+build/1920783
[14:26] <falktx> I can provide you more info if you want to fix it,
[14:27] <falktx> but I usually a re-pack of the source file usually fixes the issue
[14:28] <falktx> do you want to take a closer look at it, or should I re-pack and source now (and the issue will be gone, so you won't be able to debug it)
[14:33] <wgrant> falktx: Your package is buggy.
[14:33] <wgrant> It's producing binaries with the version '0.4'
[14:33] <wgrant> The source version is '0.4.2+svn1718-0~ppa3'
[14:33] <falktx> oh
[14:33] <falktx> how should it be?
[14:35] <wgrant> falktx: I think debian/changelog.in is the problem.
[14:36] <wgrant> It just uses ${CLEMENTINE_VERSION}
[14:36] <wgrant> I don't even know why that file is this.
[14:36] <wgrant> Er.
[14:36] <wgrant> Is there.
[14:36] <falktx> the file is present on the SVN
[14:36] <falktx> (i mean source code)
[14:36] <falktx> i'll remove it
[14:36] <shadeslayer> falktx: do you develop clementine?
[14:37] <falktx> the thing is, this kind of error happens to me randomly
[14:37] <falktx> shadeslayer: nope
[14:37] <shadeslayer> ah :P
[14:37] <falktx> (but I love it...)
[15:35] <deryck> gmb, hi.  There's a couple open questions against malone related to bug watches.  Would you mind answering those today, if you can?
[15:35] <gmb> deryck, Sure, will do.
[15:36] <deryck> gmb, thanks!
[17:44] <ceros> does any of the launchpad buildd machines cross compile in order to build packages?
[17:44] <ceros> i have this failure
[17:44] <ceros> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/53747850/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-i386.xbmc_2:10.0~svn32789~deb1-1~0jaunty1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[17:44] <ceros> i know this is usually caused by enabling compiling with pic for ffmpeg on i386 machines
[17:55] <deryck> jelmer, are you around?  Can you help ceros above? ^^
[17:56] <jelmer> deryck, sure
[17:56] <jelmer> ceros: hi
[17:56] <jelmer> ceros: we don't do cross compilation as far as I know
[17:57] <jelmer> ceros: the configure output also doesn't suggest cross compilation
[18:03] <ceros> alright, guess i'll have to figure out what's causing this
[18:04] <ceros> another question
[18:04] <ceros> are we able to upload binary packages to PPAs?
[18:04] <ceros> https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading
[18:04] <ceros> only makes mention of being able to upload source package
[18:07] <jelmer> ceros: no, you can only upload source packages
[18:44] <ceros> jelmer: thanks for your help
[21:39] <maxb> Some interesting maintenance happening to the PPA builders?
[21:41] <geser> oh, that's really interesting
[21:46] <dnjl> hi! what happens to the builders? no one is available for building anymore!
[21:51] <althara> I'm having trouble changing a team contact address and was wondering if someone could help me.
[21:53] <althara> I get the confimation token URL but when I click on the link only a cancel and confirm button appear. When I click on confirm I get this error: http://pastebin.org/564956
[21:53] <althara> I'm trying to set the adress to an external mailing list
[22:58] <yofel> hm, the ppa builders seem back up, but they seem to be stuck now
[23:16] <lifeless> losa ping
[23:16] <[Dmitry]> Hello
[23:17] <[Dmitry]> I lost the draft at the launchpad. Who can I contact?
[23:17] <lifeless> what do you mean ?
[23:18] <[Dmitry]> The project has disappeared! But the group remained
[23:19] <lifeless> what project?
[23:19] <[Dmitry]> https://launchpad.net/~yii-stuff group
[23:19] <[Dmitry]> https://launchpad.net/yii-stuff - proj
[23:20] <lifeless> Are you Dmitry Kor ?
[23:20] <[Dmitry]> Yes..
[23:20] <lifeless> our whiteboard says
[23:20] <lifeless> User notified of license policy on 2010-08-14.
[23:20] <lifeless> 2010-08-16 Curtis Hovey: Project disabled and Dmitry Kor (Dmitry Kor) notified.
[23:20] <lifeless> so you should have email from us already about the project, containing instructions about what you need to do
[23:21] <[Dmitry]> gm
[23:21] <[Dmitry]> Hello rmpic30,
[23:21] <[Dmitry]> You recently registered the project 'yii-stuff' in Launchpad
[23:21] <[Dmitry]> with this licensing:
[23:21] <[Dmitry]> this?
[23:22] <lifeless> it should have had a list of the licences
[23:23] <lifeless> you haven't selected an open source license
[23:23] <lifeless> you need to
[23:23] <lifeless> I'll reactivate it, but please assign a licence. its important
[23:23] <[Dmitry]>  I have not had time to set up a project, how do remove it.
[23:24] <lifeless> the project is active again now, you can select your licence
[23:25] <[Dmitry]> One minute
[23:27] <[Dmitry]> lifeless: done.
[23:29] <lifeless> [Dmitry]: thank you, I've cleared the whiteboard and marked the project reviewed.


[00:29] <ianorlin> why can't you leave it on while you eat
[00:32] <phillw> ianorlin: I do that and come back to the HTTP proxy prompt and want to put my foot through the computer!
[00:33] <ianorlin> ah yeah that too
[00:48] <phillw> ianorlin: yup, I have to to the freezer and get some ice for the burn :)
[00:49] <phillw> s/to to/to go to/
[00:50] <phillw> mikubuntu: so, how did it go?
[00:50] <mikubuntu> just got a report on this new install that these programs: You have some obsolete package versions installed. Please upgrade the following packages and check if the problem still occurs:  apt, apt-utils, gcc-4.9-base, gnupg, gpgv, iso-codes, libapt-inst1.5, libapt-pkg4.12, libc6, libgcc1, libsqlite3-0, libstdc++6, multiarch-support, python-six
[00:51] <mikubuntu> is this just a matter of running autoremove?
[00:51] <phillw> mikubuntu: that is to be expected, 14.04 goes 14.04.1 at the end of this month.
[00:52] <phillw> mikubuntu: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get autoremove
[00:52] <mikubuntu> phillw: so it will be corrected in regular updates?
[00:53] <phillw> mikubuntu: 14.04 has had a lot of updates since it was created. There are several bug fixes for lubuntu and kernel upgrades from ubuntu. It will want to down load a lot.
[00:55] <mikubuntu> thx phillw  just ran your update command
[00:56] <phillw> mikubuntu: it will need a reboot, as you will have  new kernel. you may need to run that command more than once to pull it fully up to date... the kernel can only update as far as the firmware that it has. and repeat should be a lot faster. When it says 'nothing to do', you know you are up to date.
[00:58] <mikubuntu> ok will do
[00:58] <phillw> mikubuntu: as to why you have had so much grief installing? Pass.... 14.04 has installed okay with a couple of known bugs, but it has always installed. :/
[01:05] <phillw> mikubuntu: how is the update going?
[01:36] <phillw> mikubuntu: wb.... Dare I ask how it is going? I've stayed up late (02:36 am here).
[01:47] <mikubuntu> can't find where to set pref for screenlock (unlock i should say i don't want screen to keep locking when i walk away for a few mins)
[01:48] <phillw> mikubuntu: it is still a bug... I had it fixed, then got it back again... let me see if I can find the work around for you.
[01:49] <phillw> mikubuntu: have a try with http://askubuntu.com/questions/130808/stop-xscreensaver-from-locking-screen-once-screensaver-starts
[01:49] <phillw> in the meantime, is the little critter running oaky?
[01:50] <phillw> s/oaky/okay/
[01:50] <ianorlin> 14.04 uses lightlocker
[01:51] <phillw> ianorlin: indeed... but it still pretty broken!
[01:56] <tertu> Out of curiosity, is there a way to hide desktop icons on the second desktop when using a dual-monitor setup?
[01:58] <phillw> tertu: I've not found one yet... I'm guessing it is a decision that the devs had to take...
[01:58] <tertu> either that or some goofy openbox thing
[01:58] <ianorlin> pcmanfm draws the desktop and I don't know of an option to do it
[01:59] <ianorlin> openbox doesn't draw a desktop by itself
[01:59] <HypothesisFrog> Is there any way I can reduce the amount of disk space taken up? I only have 3gig, and it's almost run out already.
[01:59] <ianorlin> !mini
[01:59] <tertu> uh that's not the right answer
[01:59] <tertu> it doesn't shrink the size of the install
[02:00] <ianorlin> if you install less stuff it does
[02:00] <tertu> oh, there we go
[02:00] <phillw> indeed not, use the core install.
[02:00] <tertu> yeah that's the only way to do it
[02:00] <tertu> delete things you don't need
[02:00] <phillw> tertu: nah, don't install them in the 1st place
[02:01] <tertu> yes, if that is an option
[02:02] <phillw> tertu: HypothesisFrog there is indeed.. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall and select core install, you can even grab a cut down browser from there...
[02:05] <phillw> tertu: I'm a member of the wiki team, as well as testing.... lubuntu has so many ways to install :)
[02:06] <tertu> that's cool
[02:06] <tertu> that this is an option
[02:11] <phillw> tertu: we even have a non-pae community edition for 14.04..... People are committed to low resource kit.
[02:17] <tertu> that's good to see at ubuntu.
[02:18] <phillw> tertu: the kernels I respun (with LOTS of help) are only currently being used by people via lubuntu / lxde.
[02:25] <phillw> tertu: anyways, nice to chat... I'm off to bed (03:25 am) here.
[02:29] <tertu> night!
[02:30] <HypothesisFrog> phillw so I have to reinstall?
[02:39] <phillw> HypothesisFrog: is your install refusing to run?
[02:40] <phillw> HypothesisFrog: or do you just want a really small foot-print?
[04:36] <HypothesisFrog> phillw well basically, I have an old eeepc with only 2.7Gig of hd space available. I couldn't get the desktop to come up  before, because there was no available hd space. I had to delete the cache to free up 280meg.
[04:48] <MilkMan> Topic
[04:50] <MilkMan> Hello
[04:58] <MilkMan> Hello
[05:09] <MilkMan> #lubuntu-offtopic
[05:17] <MilkMan> hello
[05:20] <MilkMan> hello
[05:20] <MilkMan> hello teward
[15:42] <phillw> HypothesisFrog: there is work in progress for a community edition of lubuntu based on an eeepc
[16:00] <tertu> does anybody know why i'd get massive graphical corruption when trying to run a source game on the rest of the visible display?
[16:00]  * ianorlin doesn't run source games so I can't help you which one specifiaclly team fortress 2?
[16:01] <tertu> garry's mod
[16:02] <tertu> i think they all run on approximately the same codebase though
[16:02] <ianorlin> it could also be a driver issue
[16:04] <tertu> that's probably it
[16:06] <tertu> i'll try installing a newer driver and seeing if that helps
[16:44] <alku> I am using lubuntu 14.04 on Dell E6400. Everything was working fine, today i noticed I am unable to update my system, the update manager vanishes as soon as I click 'update' button. If i go to users i am unable to delete existing or create new, the buttons don't seem to work
[16:58] <tertu> so after installing a newer driver it's better
[16:59] <tertu> it's still not perfect
[17:01] <comics_idees> any news from lubuntu
[17:02] <phillw> comics_idees: bugs continue to be squashed :)
[19:12] <comics_idees> I use an old pc is LXLE a better version than Lubuntu ?
[19:13] <holstein> comics_idees: "better" is always a matter of opinion and use case
[19:13] <holstein> lxle is based on ubuntu and/or lubuntu.. lubuntu *is* ubuntu, and has official support and use of all docs etc
[19:13] <phillw> comics_idees: LXLE uses slightly more resources than lubuntu, but the best way is try both and see which you prefer :) There are several community spins based around lubuntu
[19:14] <holstein> yup.. both have live CD's..
[19:14] <comics_idees> xm ok I give it a try
[19:15] <phillw> bentoo, amongst others also has LiveCD capability. I'll get the wiki page updated in the comming week and get our community spins more active in saying what they're about.
[19:19] <comics_idees> if I install the deepin package manager in Lubuntu will it become like LXLE?
[19:22] <holstein> comics_idees: i say, if youwant lxle, use lxle
[19:22] <holstein> comics_idees: there are many package managment tools available to ubuntu, and thus, lubuntu..
[19:24] <phillw> comics_idees: lxle --> http://lxle.net/  bento --> http://linuxvillage.org/en/2013/11/bento-ubuntu-remix-rc/ peppermint --> http://peppermintos.com/
[20:19] <comics_idees> how can I open an Lubuntu terminal and install LXLE with sudo apt-get-install?
[20:20] <holstein> comics_idees: ask them
[20:20] <holstein> comics_idees: lxle is not an ubuntu flavor, so, you will need to add whatever sources they suggest
[20:32] <comics_idees> well do you suggest to switch lubuntu to lxle to old computer or not?
[20:34] <holstein> comics_idees: i didnt suggest that, actually . i suggest, like phillw , that you look at the both and see for yourself
[20:34] <holstein> any speed benefit from lxle would also have compromises..