[02:45] <darlan> hello
[02:46] <darlan> you are right
[02:46] <darlan> :
[04:59] <amrit> amrit
[05:00] <amrit> can someone help me
[05:01] <amrit_> amrit
[05:01] <amrit_> can any one help me
[06:11] <olscumpy> where are terminal profiles saved? I got my terminal all pretty and I want to copy it to another computer
[06:12] <olscumpy> it's not in .gconf like askubuntu says, also
[06:13] <alkisg> Nowadays gconf isn't used much, they migrated to gsettings
[06:13] <alkisg> To see if something uses gsettings or not, run : dconf watch /
[06:13] <alkisg> Then do changes (like, profile changes from the menu)
[06:13] <alkisg> And see if the dconf watch command outputs the changed keys
[06:13] <alkisg> If so, it's using gsettings, and you can export/import them using gsettings list-recursively etc
[06:15] <olscumpy> cool, thanks
[06:17] <olscumpy> oh, it's in /org/mate/terminal/profiles/default/, how could I NOT have guessed that ;D
[06:18] <alkisg> :)
[06:18] <alkisg> There's also dconf-editor if you need it
[06:18] <alkisg> (like the older gconf-editor)
[06:18] <olscumpy> I've opened that a couple times, poked around a bit, and closed it, confused
[06:18] <olscumpy> it's editing those text .conf files yes?
[06:18] <alkisg> There are not text files anymore
[06:18] <alkisg> gconf had text files
[06:19] <alkisg> the newer one, dconf, has a binary file
[06:19] <alkisg> And dconf-editor edits it... similar to windows regedit
[06:19] <olscumpy> ahhh, ok
[06:20] <olscumpy> the thing I found most confusing, I guess, was that this has what feels like a random assortment of configurable things in it. mostly things I don't need to configure
[06:20] <olscumpy> it seems like ubuntu-mate has a gui configurator for most things. except compton haha
[06:20] <alkisg> Well, that's what dconf is for; for whatever program to be able to store whatever setting
[06:21] <alkisg> It's not just for mate
[06:22] <olscumpy> what do you stop dconf watch with, ctrl c?
[06:23] <alkisg> Yes
[06:33] <olscumpy> hm, how would I actually copy this profile out to my netbook?
[06:33] <olscumpy> if it's all in one big binary
[06:36] <alkisg> gsettings list-recursively
[06:39] <TheMuso> Or dconf dump /path/to/settings
[06:39] <TheMuso> then use cat data.txt | dconf load
[06:39] <TheMuso> on the other end
[06:41] <olscumpy> fancy
[06:41] <olscumpy> this time when I break my system I'll be ready with backupped things! thanks y'all
[16:07] <zetwal> hello all. i'm running ubuntu mate 16.10 and can't find the printer installation interface (either in the administration sub-menu or by searching).
[16:09] <nomic> ask in #ubuntu
[16:09] <nomic> cos its busier
[16:09] <nomic> and its a general problem
[16:10] <zetwal> thanks!
[16:11] <nomic> i plug printer into xubuntu, using the word processor & it automatically recognises
[16:11] <nomic> should on usb with any package
[16:11] <nomic> i don't think you need to "install"
[16:12] <nomic> run your word processor,
[16:12] <nomic> plug printer in -- it should know what it is
[16:12] <nomic> usb
[16:17] <ouroumov> zetwal, don't ask in #Ubuntu
[16:17] <ouroumov> 16.10 is not supported
[16:17] <ouroumov> arf too late
[16:18] <sixwheeledbeast> zetwal: this is the correct channel for your question
[16:18] <nomic> = general problem
[17:15] <Gallomimia> how do i make it so the greeter does *NOT* give my username to everyone that walks by while screen is locked or no one is logged in?
[17:55] <sixwheeledbeast> Gallomimia: System > Administration > Users and Groups
[17:55] <Gallomimia> sixwheeledbeast: i found that just after asking... i don't think i saw it in there
[17:57] <sixwheeledbeast> change your name
[17:57] <Gallomimia> i don't want to change my name.
[17:58] <sixwheeledbeast> Well that is your username shown on the lock screen
[17:58] <Gallomimia> it is.
[17:58] <Gallomimia> i want it not shown at all.
[17:59] <Gallomimia> i suppose... the lock screen not so much as the login screen. it gives a list of users i can login as. would rather it made whoever type it
[18:02] <jsphillips86> I need help. Can't install Wine. Get this error. https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/SeLczjgn/
[18:03] <sixwheeledbeast> Gallomimia: The login screen and the lock screen are different but I am not aware of any other way to do what you want
[18:04] <Gallomimia> "other" way, you suggested I change my username. That doesn't hide the username, it changes it to something else
[18:04] <Gallomimia> jsphillips86: uh, well what version of wine did you want to install?
[18:05] <Gallomimia> 1.6 is quite old i think
[18:05] <Gallomimia> oh, that's the one i have installed. i don't recall having any error like that when i installed last time
[18:06] <jsphillips86> I tried sudo apt-get install wine and the instructions here: https://wiki.winehq.org/Ubuntu
[18:06] <sixwheeledbeast> Yep that what a imagined changing the username from your name to not your name.
[18:06] <Gallomimia> really its a matter of finding out what dependencies aren't being installed. they have ambiguous names due to lacking info about your system's architecture i do believe
[18:06] <Gallomimia> sixwheeledbeast: i already did that when i started using ubuntu
[18:07] <sixwheeledbeast> ok
[18:09] <sixwheeledbeast> jsphillips86: is the ppa installed correctly?
[18:10] <jsphillips86> yeah. No errors on update either
[18:10] <sixwheeledbeast> In Software and Updates it should be listed in Other Softweare
[18:11] <jsphillips86> Yep, it is there
[18:13] <sixwheeledbeast> install -f ? dpkg configure -a ?
[18:14] <jsphillips86> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/FhysRvOd/
[18:22] <jsphillips86> looks like I can't install it because fonts-droid has no installation candidate
[18:25] <jsphillips86> But I added their PPA and according to their site, the stable release is 1.8.4 instead of 1.6
[18:41] <Guest9512> Cant find ubuntu software center!!
[18:41] <ouroumov_> Guest9512, because it's not there.
[18:42] <Guest9512> Help.
[18:42] <ouroumov_> Guest9512, please head over to the software boutique, section "More Software"
[18:42] <Guest9512> Thanks
[18:42] <ouroumov_> You can then install another software center
[18:45] <Guest9512> Merr been using mate for 10 mins and already a system error :P
[18:46] <ouroumov_> Did you start by doing the update?
[18:46] <Guest9512> ouroumov_, doing and apt-get update and apt-get upgrade now
[18:46] <Guest9512> ouroumov_, i got the error while opening terminal :)
[19:07] <TechChristoph> you can ad sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade in .bashrc
[19:07] <TechChristoph> As an alias
[19:07] <Guest9512> :)
[19:08] <Guest9512> I'll add it to a cron! :D
[19:08] <TechChristoph> Ok also a solution
[19:08] <Guest9512> I'm trying to get compiz to work but my ` keybind is not registering!
[19:13] <danawarUK> Sorry i should not have restarted compiz...
[19:13] <mate|69828> just wanted to come in here and say that ubuntu mate is amazing
[19:13] <danawarUK> mate|69828: why?


[03:52] <lifeless> bryceh_: hey, https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/617695 seems either stalled or done, I can't tell.
[04:51] <tilgovi> anyone have experience with git-dpm?
[05:03] <twb> What provides /etc/mailcap ?  It's mentioning vim instead of vi, which is wrong for the vim-tiny that ubuntu-minimal pulls in.
[05:08] <geofft> twb: looks like mime-support
[05:08]  * twb digs
[05:08] <twb> Ah, "update-mime"; I was looking for "update-mailcap"
[05:08] <geofft> you may or may not be able to do something with update-mime? yeah
[05:09] <twb> OK, problem solved
[05:10] <twb> Broken file is /usr/lib/mime/packages/vim-common
[05:33] <twb> http://bugs.debian.org/654674 FYI
[06:29] <micahg> doko: all the gcc builds except for i386 look hung
[06:30] <doko> no, yellow usually takes 12h
[06:31] <micahg> ah, ok
[06:31] <doko> but we maybe can kill the snapshot build on powerpc, it will fail anyway
[06:47] <pitti> Good morning
[07:00] <bryceh_> lifeless, the code is finished and landed, but got feature flagged off so is unusable :-(
[07:10] <lifeless> bryceh_: why did that happen?
[07:14] <bryceh_> lifeless, I think curtis wanted to review the UI in more detail, but I think he's been tied up on other stuff
[07:16] <lifeless> nab him next week
[07:17] <StevenK> Even if the flag is only turned for a small team
[07:17] <bryceh_> lifeless, I had a follow on branch (https://code.launchpad.net/~bryce/launchpad/component-in-bug-filing-links) but it's kinda hard to test without having the config branch available so having it disabled stalled that work.
[07:18] <lifeless> I would say just turn it on, its new stuff not changes to existing UI, so might be horrible but unlikely to regress anything
[07:18] <lifeless> but, if sinzui wanted it off, I don't want to second guess him
[07:19] <bryceh_> lifeless, my hope was to get the bugtracker forwarding feature escalated on the stakeholder roadmap so I could get more active help at getting this done, but of course that hope's been dashed ;-)
[07:23] <bryceh_> lifeless, right, it's new UI in an out of the way corner I think few users go to, but for certain bugtrackers with lots of packages (e.g. gnome) it makes for a rather long list of links and buttons.  I'm sure curtis could think of a more attractive way to show it.
[07:25] <lifeless> perfect enemy good etc
[07:25] <lifeless> anyhow, nab him, and I'm sure he'll unblock it somewhat
[07:43] <bryceh_> lifeless, certainly.  In any case thanks for looking into it.
[07:55] <bryceh_> lifeless, I notice you've marked it down to low priority?
[07:55] <lifeless> bryceh_: I have to downgrade 900 bugs
[07:56] <lifeless> bryceh_: this reflects accurately the project opinion of the bug I think; you can of course hack on it yourself; and if you escalate it, its importance will increase (a lot :P)
[08:00] <bryceh_> lifeless, ...
[08:00] <lifeless> bryceh_: ?
[08:01] <bryceh_> lifeless, I've got my own separate tools for doing bug upstreaming for X.  Reason I've been working on this was because I understood it was functionality folks wanted to see integrated in launchpad itself.
[08:01] <lifeless> bryceh_: we do
[08:02] <lifeless> bryceh_: LP is *big*; fpr the 'high' category of bugs we want ~ 6 months work; with the changes happening thats about 1/4 what it was before
[08:03] <lifeless> bryceh_: if you think this thing is worth bumping a different one from, from the perspective of canonical sponsored work on LP, thats fine - just put it back to high, explain why, and I'll try to find something else to bump
[08:06] <lifeless> bryceh_: e.g. for remote bug tracker stuff, we have the following defects - offhand -
[08:06] <lifeless>  - archived debugs don't work
[08:06] <lifeless>  - savannah.nongnu.org doesn't work
[08:06] <lifeless>  - other instances od debugs don't work
[08:06] <lifeless>  - mantis doesn't work
[08:06] <lifeless>  - sourceforge doesn't work
[08:06] <bryceh_> lifeless, wow
[08:06] <lifeless>  - comment push cannot be disabled without disabling watches
[08:07] <lifeless> bryceh_: so I'm looking at a lot of bugs and making the best assessment I can; I will get it wrong - like I say above, if this is one of those cases, say so (in the bug please) and I will correct
[08:12] <bryceh_> lifeless, okay. Well this goes along with the bug forwarding feature, which has already been escalated.  I think there's little harm in  this bug waiting until that feature work bubbles back up in priorities.
[08:15] <lifeless> bryceh_: I think you should get the stuff done so far fully live, having inventory on the shelf sucks
[08:39] <bryceh_> lifeless, yes, I totally 100% agree
[08:40] <bryceh_> lifeless, I guess basically I've been stuck not knowing *how* to get it fully live.
[08:41] <bryceh_> lifeless, also btw since I'm merely a community guy now I don't have powers for setting launchpad bug priorities or anything fancy like that anymore
[08:42] <lifeless> bryceh_: so, getting it live - put a request on launchpadproductionstatus to turn the flag on
[08:42] <lifeless> bryceh_: unless sinzui asked you not to or whatever
[08:42] <lifeless> bryceh_: Would you like to be in ~canonical-launchpad-emeritus ?
[08:43] <bryceh_> lifeless, maybe?  I don't know what that is
[08:43] <lifeless> a group for ex-lp engineers that are still at cnaonical
[08:43] <lifeless> grants bugsupervisor
[08:43] <lifeless> will grant review etc when I figure out how not to spam the team
[08:44] <bryceh_> ok, sounds useful
[08:45] <lifeless> the presumption is you are still tacking the broad project so that this is useful :)
[08:45] <lifeless> right, you should have bugsupervisor now
[08:45] <bryceh_> lifeless, thanks
[08:46] <bryceh_> lifeless, ok past EOD for me, hopefully I can catch curtis next week.  I think it's going to be a busy week for me.
[08:48] <lifeless> likewise :)
[09:11] <micahg> jamespage: hi, I've got a build failure with a new java package that I'm not sure how to fix, I tried adding the build dependency it seems to want, but I get the same failure, the build works fine with network access (it must be downloading something) https://launchpad.net/~micahg/+archive/ftbfs-test/+build/3064946, this is needed for an FTBFS depwait in precise
[09:14] <jamespage> micahg: lemme take a look
[09:52] <jamespage> micahg: see http://paste.ubuntu.com/793582/
[09:52] <jamespage> basically it can't generate the javadoc because it can't find the artifacts it just built
[09:52] <micahg> ah, so I was still missing stuff
[09:53] <jamespage> micahg: well its a fault in the packaging really - it should use 'install' rather than 'package' to ensure that the jars are deployed into the local maven repository during the build process
[09:53] <micahg> jamespage: oh, is that it?
[09:54] <jamespage> micahg: setting DEB_MAVEN_BUILD_TARGET := install in debian rules should resolve the issue
[09:54] <micahg> jamespage: thanks!, will try that
[09:55] <jamespage> BTW I got that error message by building offline locally and then looking at the txt file that the error message refers to.
[09:55] <micahg> jamespage: BTW, is there a guide anywhere to fix Java FTBFS?
[09:55] <jamespage> micahg: nope
[09:55] <micahg> jamespage: do I still need the javadoc-plugin build dependency?
[09:58] <jamespage> micahg: I already see libmaven-javadoc-plugin-java as a build-dep in Debian? not sure why you had to add that...
[09:59] <micahg> jamespage: ah, indeed it is, I guess I couldn't see it when trying to fix this the first time at 3AM :)
[10:08] <frafu> Hi,
[10:08] <frafu> As you probably know, Onboard is the onscreen keyboard shipping by default with Ubuntu. We are considering porting it to python 3. Could anybody please tell me whether python 3 will be available on the Ubuntu 12.04 LiveCD? Could anybody please tell me whether there is any reason concerning Ubuntu to not port Onboard to python 3? Thanks in advance.
[10:13] <brendand> frafu - it will be there
[10:13] <brendand> as for reasons not to port it. ? maybe someone else has something to say
[10:14] <brendand> frafu - you can always check http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/precise-desktop-i386.manifest for a package list
[10:17] <brendand> frafu - i guess you could find some required modules aren't yet ported to python3 i guess
[10:25] <frafu> brendand: Thanks for the reply and the link to the list with the packages of the current LiveCD. It will be useful to check whether the required dependencies are also available. If anybody sees a reason to not port it (assuming all dependencies are available on the LiveCD), please let me know.
[11:50] <iceroot> the contact for universe-packages is ubuntu-sponsors? or is that handled on a different way?
[11:53] <pitti> ubuntu-sponsors sponsors all components
[11:54] <iceroot> all? so i guess "main" is not called a component? or am i wrong?
[11:55] <geser> iceroot: "main" is a component but ubuntu-sponsors isn't limited on any specific component
[11:56] <pitti> iceroot: IOW, ubuntu-sponsors is fine for universe
[11:57] <iceroot> hm maybe not the right channel for that but i have sometimes the problem about putting the responsable team on cc on LP, so in universe i always choose sponsors, for the rest i am doing a depper search (like ubuntu-kernel-team, lubuntu-desktop)
[12:01] <Laney> You can use ubuntu-sponsors if you have something to be sponsored for any package, except security updates for which you should use ubuntu-security sponsors. That makes it appear on http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/.
[12:21] <iceroot> Laney: thank you for the info
[12:49] <TLE> pitti: hallo, since there are no language packs in the build queue: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+builds?build_text=&build_state=pending&arch_tag=all I guess we are good to go for oneiric lang pack testing?
[12:49] <pitti> TLE: yes, since yesterday already
[12:50] <TLE> pitti: great thanks
[12:50] <pitti> TLE: will do the natty -updates copying now
[12:50] <TLE> pitti: great
[14:07] <pitti> cjwatson: our current i386 alternate now has both the pae and the regular kernel, which is why it exploded so much; seed error, or on purpose?
[14:07] <cjwatson> error
[14:08] <cjwatson> I think
[14:08] <cjwatson> I'll check and sort it out, thanks for the heads-up
[14:08] <pitti> thanks
[14:37] <Laney> how often does the sponsorship queue run?
[14:37] <Laney> (and when)
[14:37] <pitti> feels like every 20 minutes or so
[14:42] <Laney> k
[14:58] <pitti> seb128, cjwatson: FYI, http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/tmp/oneiric-precise2012-01-05-cdsize.txt is a cleaned up output of oneiric vs. today's precise amd64 CD size analysis
[14:58] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[14:58] <pitti> so 9.1 MB delta from package growth, 10 MB net delta from removed/added packages
[14:59] <pitti> adding python 3.2 is +5.9 MB, that's known
[14:59] <pitti> I'll check fonts-nanum, it was supposed to replace the old unfonts, but I don't see that on the removal list
[14:59] <seb128> pitti, I will look at the gtk2 one, I wonder if that's the "don't bzip the changelogs, news, etc" to workaround that gzip md5sum between archs bug
[15:00] <pitti> seb128: hm, hardly -- we don't even install most of those
[15:00] <seb128> but that seems a bit much to be that
[15:00] <pitti> seb128: but anyway, thanks
[15:00] <pitti> geoip-database (Δ 0.2 MB - 20110709-1: 3.3 MB   20111220-1: 3.5 MB)
[15:00] <pitti> that's an interesting growth
[15:00] <cjwatson> Is it?  Probably just more data?
[15:00] <pitti> I'll take the evince growth, too
[15:01] <pitti> cjwatson: haven't looked at it yet; but 200 kB -> 3.3 MB seems quite radical
[15:01] <pitti> could be that our previous package didn't actually ship any data or so :)
[15:01] <cjwatson> Uh, that output says 3.3 MB -> 3.5 MB.
[15:01] <pitti> argh, *headdesk*, of course
[15:01] <pitti> *blush*
[15:02] <pitti> I just phear the moment when Sweetshark uploads the new LibO :)
[15:03] <seb128> cjwatson, do you know if there is any chance gparted would go to gtk3 this cycle btw? it's keeping the gtk2 bindings on the CD, dropping those would win some space as well
[15:03] <pitti> seb128: the two libjavascriptcoregtk versions are probably a splitout from webkit? all the more reason to drop the gtk2 webkit
[15:04] <cjwatson> seb128: sorry, I don't know
[15:04] <seb128> cjwatson, no worry, I was just checking in case
[15:04] <cjwatson> I did file an upstream bug and upstream followed up a bit
[15:04] <cjwatson> I don't remember the current status though, you can probably check bugzilla as well as I can :)
[15:04] <seb128> cjwatson, yeah, I checked bugzilla, it's not very encouraging ;-)
[15:04] <cjwatson> (sorry, have so far done one out of five things planned for today ...)
[15:05] <seb128> cjwatson, I asked in case you had extra infos compared to what is in bugzilla
[15:05] <seb128> no worry
[15:05] <cjwatson> I don't, no
[15:05] <seb128> ok
[15:05] <seb128> pitti, no clue about libjavascriptcoregtk
[15:07] <pitti> seb128: rdepends of libwebkitgtk-1.0-0
[15:12] <pitti> cjwatson: I did a test install on my mini 10, and bcmwl fails; turns out that we only install l-headers-3.2.0-7-generic, not -pae; want me to fix the seeds, or do you want to?
[15:21] <cjwatson> pitti: I just did, independently :)
[15:21] <pitti> cjwatson: thanks
[15:25] <psusi> cjwatson: how's the workload?  just wandering if you'll have time to review my parted merge soonish ;)
[15:25] <cjwatson> psusi: Probably not this week I'm afraid
[15:26] <cjwatson> Remind me next week?
[15:26] <cjwatson> pitti: Oh god, -generic being on i386 images is a germinate bug
[15:26] <cjwatson> (Not the headers, but image and installer bits)
[15:27] <cjwatson> Kernel-Version isn't scoped properly
[15:33]  * cjwatson edits the warty seeds, as the only seeds relying on this germinate bug :-)
[15:33] <psusi> cjwatson: sure
[15:33] <pitti> cjwatson: ... in case we want to release 4.10.1 :)
[15:34] <pitti> "The Vintage Edition Release"
[15:35] <cjwatson> call it OCD ...
[15:39] <cjwatson> this bug goes back to germinate r25!
[15:39] <cjwatson> (currently at r470)
[15:41] <pitti> cjwatson: it affects package names where one is a prefix of another one?
[15:41] <pitti> probably not a very common case indeed
[15:41] <cjwatson> No
[15:41] <cjwatson>  * Kernel-Version: foo-generic
[15:42] <cjwatson>  * /^.*-modules-.*-di/ [amd64]
[15:42] <cjwatson>  * Kernel-Version: foo-generic-pae
[15:42] <cjwatson>  * /^.*-modules-.*-di/ [i386]
[15:42] <cjwatson> The Kernel-Version in force for the last line is in fact "foo-generic foo-generic-pae"
[15:42] <cjwatson> This is bogus
[15:50] <cjwatson> ... and this is truly painful to fix because germinate only keeps a record of that per-seed right now and indeed processes it long after it's forgotten exactly where in the seed it is
[15:55] <cjwatson> I may be able to bodge it
[16:28] <apw> cjwatson, am seeing a 'grep: input file '/boot/grub/grub.cfg.new' is also the output' for each grub menu update on P, known ?
[16:33] <cjwatson> apw: I did notice that but I haven't investigated it yet
[16:33] <apw> cjwatson, is there a bug, or shall i do the honours
[16:38] <cjwatson> I'm not up to date on grub2 bugs
[16:38] <cjwatson> feel free to file one, worst case I dup it
[16:38] <cjwatson> even better, fix it :)
[16:38] <apw> cjwatson, no worries, i'll do that
[16:41] <jibel> apw, bug 911225
[16:43] <apw> UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to precise on 2009-02-07 (1060 days ago)
[16:43] <apw> time traveling machine it seems
[16:43] <seb128> zul, slangasek: could you look at bug #911888 and make sure it doesn't get ignored? it seems a new issue with samba, we got 3 bugs about it this week
[16:49] <hallyn> jdstrand: on bug 912007, should I just add '/dev/dm* r' to /etc/apparmor.d/usr.lib.libvirt.virt-aa-helper ?
[16:50] <zyga> has anyone seen james hunt recently?
[16:51] <jdstrand> hallyn: I have been thinking about that. I think it would be better to add deny rules like we do for /dev/mapper/ and /dev/sd*
[16:52] <jdstrand> hallyn: that will silence the non-fatal denial without giving away more access
[16:52] <stgraber> zyga: sure, though maybe you didn't notice he changed his nick for jodh
[16:52] <hallyn> grr, compiz keeps crashing
[16:52] <zyga> jodh, oh
[16:52] <zyga> stgraber, many thanks :)
[16:52] <zyga> stgraber, nice article about network interfaces btw :)
[16:52] <zyga> jodh, hi, do you have a minute?
[16:52] <hallyn> jdstrand: so adding the deny rule will stop the log msg?
[16:53] <stgraber> zyga: thanks!
[16:53] <jodh> zyga: hi
[16:53] <hallyn> i see - i missed the /dev/sd entry when i looked before.  makes sense.  thanks.
[16:53] <zyga> jodh, I'd like to get some advice from you on what a good "daemon/service" looks like upstart wise
[16:53] <jdstrand> hallyn: yes. apparmor is deny by default with logging. an explicit deny rule will deny without logging. 'audit deny' will deny and log again
[16:54] <zyga> I'm making some changes to celery (distributed queue for django and friends) and I'll be making sure celery plays nice with upstart
[16:54] <jodh> zyga: does this cover it? http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#daemon-behaviour
[16:54] <zyga> is there anything I need to especially do to be "good" as a service from upstart's point of view?
[16:54] <zyga> let me check and get back to you
[16:54] <hallyn> jdstrand: now if only we had a working udd tree this is the kind of thing i'd queue up for the next upload.  but i'm afraid if i don't push this now i'll forget about it
[16:55] <hallyn> guess i need to just keep a list.
[16:55] <zyga> jodh, unrelated question, is 1.3 going to be backported to oneiric or is it just for precise+
[16:55] <hallyn> jdstrand: anyway i'll add that, thanks
[16:55] <jodh> zyga: we're on 1.4 now :)
[16:55] <jdstrand> hallyn: thanks!
[16:55] <zyga> I meant 1.4
[16:56] <zyga> especially the new features for process containment
[16:56] <jodh> zyga: I'm not aware of any current plan to do this.
[16:56] <zyga> ok, thanks
[16:57] <zyga> jodh, quickly looking at the link you provided I don't see any references to current working directory and logging
[16:58] <jodh> zyga: daemons are free to handle those particular attributes as they wish. Upstart provides the chdir+chroot stanzas. conventionally, daemons use syslog but if they want to speak to stdout/stderr they can as of Upstart 1.4.
[17:00] <slangasek> seb128: I defer to zul; I don't believe that samba 3.6.1 is releasable in general
[17:00] <seb128> slangasek, ok thanks
[17:04] <zyga> jodh, is it your recommendation that services daemonize themselves?
[17:36] <cjwatson> pitti,apw: linux-image-generic is ending up in there because linux Depends: linux-image Depends: linux-image-generic
[17:36] <cjwatson> pitti,apw: I think that linux-image should Depends: linux-image-generic-pae on i386 now; do you agree?
[17:38] <apw> cjwatson, does linux-image really still have a place, i had thought it was really a transitional package
[17:38] <apw> perhaps it is time for it to just go away
[17:39] <cjwatson> apw: It's definitely not a transitional package.  It was always a dependency-only package
[17:40] <cjwatson> Transitional packages are those which used to have real contents and are now dependency-only
[17:40] <cjwatson> I think we ought to change it anyway to help the upgrade path
[17:40] <apw> cjwatson, ahh i mean transition in the sense we used to use linux-image, then we got flavours so we added linux-image-<flavour> and those do the mappings
[17:40] <cjwatson> In fact it's probably the simplest way to get the upgrade path right
[17:40] <cjwatson> No, that isn't the cas
[17:40] <cjwatson> e
[17:41] <apw> if its meant to be the default flavour then it should point to -pae
[17:41] <cjwatson> We never had linux-image depending on a contentful kernel image package directly
[17:41] <cjwatson> The original semantics were that it was a per-architecture sensible choice of default if such a choice existed
[17:41] <apw> ok, then yes under that definition it should point to the recommended kernel
[17:42] <apw> cjwatson, shall i make that change happen?
[17:42] <cjwatson> yes please :)
[17:42] <apw> cjwatson, ack
[17:44] <cjwatson> pitti: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/germinate/trunk/revision/471 *sweat*
[17:45] <apw> cjwatson, is there any tracking bugs for the generic generic-pae default change?
[17:47] <cjwatson> apw: bug
[17:47] <cjwatson> ere
[17:47] <cjwatson> apw: bug 897786
[17:49] <cjwatson> erk, cdimage is still using germinate 1.11
[17:53]  * cjwatson upgrades that and crosses his fingers
[17:59] <SpamapS> hmm.. is there something like apt-cacher-ng already in main?
[18:00] <SpamapS> juju makes use of it, but I don't want to Recommend: apt-cacher-ng if we can drop something else in.
[18:02] <apw> cjwatson, ok meta fixes are committed
[18:20] <RoAkSoAx> adam_g: yeah still failing
[18:23] <chrisccoulson> lamont, if i kill a PPA build, will it save the log for me? https://launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/+archive/mozilla-test/+build/3070682 has progressed past the part of the build that i'm interested in, and don't really want to wait for the whole thing to finish
[18:23] <chrisccoulson> (but i do want to see the log)
[18:29] <RoAkSoAx> cjwatson: howdy... was just wondering if you've seen a grub-installer failure (for now in amd64) with error "main-menu[494]: (process:27699): Wrong number of args: mapdevfs <path>"
[18:29] <RoAkSoAx> cjwatson: full syslog: http://paste.ubuntu.com/794026/
[18:47] <slangasek> mvo: ping
[18:49] <cjwatson> RoAkSoAx: No, that's new to me.  I'll need a syslog of an installation run with DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer on the kernel command line.  (Make sure not to use a valuable password.)
[18:51] <mvo> slangasek: pong
[18:58] <RoAkSoAx> cjwatson: adam_g just filled Bug #912431
[18:58] <jtaylor> TheMuso: hi, have you spoken with the debian espeak maintainer about multiarching?
[18:59] <jtaylor> if we could get it multiarched there too we don't have to maintain a diff for espeakup
[19:26] <jtaylor> nevermind, we need a diff for the new pulse dep anyway
[19:40] <RoAkSoAx> cjwatson: ok, just posted the syslog with debcof debug output in lp bug #912431
[19:54] <apw> cjwatson, ok found the grub issue (the grep error I was seeing) and pushed up a branch for it, the other thing i've not looked at yet
[19:56] <lamont> chrisccoulson: let me go stab that build in a way that will give you a log
[19:56] <chrisccoulson> lamont, it's ok. it's finished now :)
[19:56] <lamont> chrisccoulson: actually, I see that it finished
[19:56]  * lamont was lunching with his daughter
[20:33] <TheMuso> jtaylor: I have access to the Debian git repo for espeak, and I put my work into the git repo for Debian.
[20:33] <TheMuso> jtaylor: Espeak is maintained by pkg-a11y, and I am on that team, so have access to their git repos on alioth.
[20:33] <jtaylor> TheMuso: so the same update planned to be done in debian soon too?
[20:34] <TheMuso> jtaylor: I can poke a member of the pkg-a11y team who is a DD to upload it if its urgent, otherwise it will be uploaded when one of them gets around to it.
[20:35] <TheMuso> I generally just do work on both our packaging and Debian's, and they haven't complained yet, so this seems to work well for us.
[20:38] <TheMuso> jtaylor: Oh for espeakup as well, I could get that into the git repo for you if you'd like.
[20:43] <jtaylor> I have no real connection with the package, I just fixed the last ftbs
[20:43] <jtaylor> and the new espeak upload breaks it again
[20:43] <TheMuso> Ah ok.
[20:44] <jtaylor> I'll just wait a bit for the update in debian
[20:44] <TheMuso> Do you have your work for espeak somewhere, i.e the changes needed to make it build again? If not, enver mind, I'll take a look myself.
[20:44] <jtaylor> one issue is the espeakup udeb, as espeak now needs pulse the udeb pulls in a nono-udeb
[20:45] <jtaylor> I'll upload a branch that fixes it in a moment
[20:47] <TheMuso> Ok.
[20:49] <semiosis> hi all, i've got a solution for an ubuntu-specific bug in a package we get from debian.  how can I go about contributing the fix to the ubuntu packaging?  it's really simple, just replacing an initscript with an upstart job.
[20:50] <semiosis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glusterfs/+bug/876648
[20:50] <jtaylor> TheMuso: lp:~jtaylor/ubuntu/precise/espeakup/sync-and-fix-ftbs
[20:52] <jtaylor> TheMuso: and here the diff against debian: http://paste.ubuntu.com/794209/
[20:53] <arges> is there a wiki on how to create a backport of a package for testing? i have pbuilder-dist set up on my machine, but not sure if that's the right tool.
[20:53] <smoser> cjwatson, around ?
[20:54] <smoser> or anyone who would know what debug info i should collect for bug 912492
[20:54] <TheMuso> jtaylor: Thanks, will get that uploaded and into Debian for you today.
[20:54] <jtaylor> its not needed as long espeak is not update
[20:54] <jtaylor> also the pulse udeb issue should be checked
[20:55] <TheMuso> Ok.
[20:57] <broder> arges: you should check out backportpackage in ubuntu-dev-tools
[20:57] <TheMuso> jtaylor: Actually, I think there are grounds for not linking libespeak.a against pulse at all, since libespeak.a is statically linked against espeakup.
[20:58] <TheMuso> jtaylor: So I'll fix the espeak packaging so that pulse is only used in the shared lib.
[20:58] <TheMuso> And then adjust your espeakup diff accordingly and upload both.
[20:58] <arges> broder, awesome. i'll check that out
[20:59] <semiosis> can anyone point me in the right direction to contribute an ubuntu specific change to a package we import from debian?
[21:02] <micahg> semiosis: if you likes VCSs: http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/fixing-a-bug.html
[21:03] <semiosis> micahg: thank you! sure I like VCSs
[21:04] <semiosis> i'm basically already at "request merge" i just have no idea how to go about doing that.
[21:04] <micahg> ah, ok
[21:05] <semiosis> i have already contributed the fix to the upstream project, now its just a matter of updating the ubuntu packaging to use it (an ubuntu upstart job instead of the debian initscript)
[21:05] <semiosis> i even have a ppa with the fix already included :)
[21:05] <semiosis> after much testing, i think its ready for primetime
[21:05] <micahg> ah, so you just need the info at the bottom of that page then
[21:06] <semiosis> micahg: thanks so much I think i can have this done today :D
[21:07] <micahg> great!
[21:17] <chrisccoulson> hi cnd, you around?
[21:18] <cnd> chrisccoulson, yep
[21:18] <chrisccoulson> cnd - i've just restart my precise box after doing the first upgrade in a while, and noticed that edge scrolling no longer works on my touchpad
[21:19] <chrisccoulson> cnd - i have "2 finger scrolling" enabled in control center, which i think is the default. but, isn't it meant to fall back to edge scrolling when 2 finger isn't suported?
[21:19] <cnd> chrisccoulson, unfortunately, that's not the case
[21:19] <chrisccoulson> it doesn't seem to be doing that now (i have to actually select edge-scrolling in control-center to make it work)
[21:19] <chrisccoulson> oh?
[21:19] <cnd> IIRC, you can do both at the same time, if you twiddle with options in xinput
[21:19] <cnd> but the GTK configuration dialog doesn't allow that flexibility
[21:20] <cnd> it does exactly what it says
[21:20] <cnd> if you select two touch scrolling, it won't do edge scrolling
[21:20] <chrisccoulson> cnd - wasn't 2 finger scrolling enabled by default before though?
[21:21] <cnd> chrisccoulson, we looked into it
[21:21] <cnd> but the GTK configuration dialog was one reason we couldn't enable it by default out of the box
[21:21] <cnd> so it was put on the back burner
[21:22] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i wonder what's changed then? i've had to manually enable edge scrolling now :/
[21:22] <chrisccoulson> maybe this is seb128's fault ;)
[21:22] <seb128> chrisccoulson, !!!
[21:22] <chrisccoulson> seb128, is it fixed yet???
[21:23] <seb128> lol
[21:23] <seb128> chrisccoulson, wait, you will see ;-)
[21:23] <chrisccoulson> heh
[21:25] <arges> broder, ok i'm getting the same result previously when just using pbuilder-dist and the .dsc.  It says it needs newer versions of  cdbs and debhelper.  Do I need to backport those packages first and use those? or is there a repo i can add?
[21:28] <broder> arges: usually the best thing to do in that case is figure out why the required versions of cdbs/debhelper are so high, modify the packaging so it doesn't need features from those versions, and then drop the build-dependency to whatever is in the release you're backporting to
[21:28] <broder> that's not something that can be automated
[21:33] <arges> broder, ok gotcha
[21:36] <cnd> chrisccoulson, I thought edge scrolling was the default, maybe upstream gtk changed it?
[21:45] <chrisccoulson> cnd, hmm, i'm confused now. it doesn't look like the default has changed
[22:01] <Daviey> Anyone else noticed mountall/upstart core dump on boot?
[22:02] <TheMuso> Daviey: Is this after the most recent mountall update? If so, not yet, as I haven't updated yet.
[22:02] <bryce> Daviey, nope, I just updated this morning.  I got several crash notices but not upstart or mountall
[22:03] <Daviey> there is NOW a pending mountall update which wasn't on my local mirror when i last updated :)
[22:03]  * Daviey tries it
[22:14] <slangasek> Daviey: ehm, that sounds rather serious - which process is the one doing the dumping?
[22:15] <smoser> has anyone seen bug 912492 ?
[22:15] <smoser> it does not seem system specific for me
[22:15] <hallyn> smoser: yeah adam_g reported the same bug
[22:16] <hallyn> smoser: bug 912431
[22:16] <Daviey> slangasek: I'm not exactly sure...
[22:17] <slangasek> Daviey: are you able to boot in spite of the crash?
[22:17] <Daviey> slangasek: i'm not exactly getting much data out.
[22:19] <smoser> i'd say thats critical as critical can get
[22:21] <Daviey> slangasek: only to rescue mode.
[22:23] <Daviey> slangasek: http://bootie.daviey.com/~dave/erk/
[22:23] <Daviey> i'm not /certain/ it's mountall, but did happen at the same time.
[22:24] <slangasek> Daviey: please try booting with --no-log added to the kernel commandline
[22:26] <Daviey> slangasek: to single user mode, or normal boot?\
[22:26] <slangasek> normal
[22:26] <Daviey> ok
[22:27] <slangasek> and after testing that way, you might want to delete /etc/udev/rules.d/86-hpmud-hp_laserjet_professional_p1566.rules...
[22:35] <slangasek> Daviey: so, that should've done the job; did it?
[22:40] <Daviey> slangasek: sorry for the slow RTT, yes - it got me to a functioning desktop
[22:40] <slangasek> ok
[22:41] <slangasek> please file a critical bug against upstart
[22:41] <Daviey> wilco
[23:14] <Daviey> slangasek: bug 912558
[23:15] <slangasek> pitti: has bug #901038 been reproduced by anyone else?
[23:16] <slangasek> pitti: the symptom is quite suspect; one doesn't get "upstart not running" on a 12.04 system...
[23:16] <slangasek> Daviey: thanks


[15:44] <jrwren> https://github.com/curl/curl/issues/7214
[15:44] <jrwren> interesting to me.
[16:13] <jrwren> bah! It is documented right there, must be quoted.
[17:20] <cmaloney> heh


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[21:54] <pleia2> got email out to summary writers, way late :)
[21:54] <pleia2> silly conferences messing up my schedule
[21:55]  * pleia2 back to conference


[00:56] <hugodidier> Hola cuates
[01:15] <pmatulis> so is there anything noteworthy coming up in 11.10 for Lubuntu?
[01:15] <Unit193> Awesome new theme and it'll be official
[01:16] <pmatulis> new theme?  that's it?
[01:16] <Unit193> AltCD will be built
[01:16] <pmatulis> ubuntulog_: what dat?
[01:16] <Unit193> Nope
[01:16] <pmatulis> whoops.
[01:16] <pmatulis> Unit193: what is altcd?
[01:17] <Unit193> !alternate
[01:17] <Unit193> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Artwork/Incoming/Oneiric/Ozone is the new theme
[01:17] <pmatulis> Unit193: he he, alright, the alternate CD, ok
[01:20] <Unit193> pmatulis: There are quite a few changes, you should take a look at the mailing list archive or subscribe
[02:16] <Mneumonic> Hi
[02:16] <Mneumonic> What would the different be if i uninstalled lubuntu-desktop and installed lxde?
[02:17] <pmatulis> Mneumonic: nothing
[02:17] <Mneumonic> another odd question.
[02:18] <Mneumonic> in lubuntu is there a way to get notifications when you use the volume hotkeys
[02:18] <Mneumonic> the brightness keys have a notification that pops up as i change them
[02:18] <Unit193> Default config and programs
[02:18] <Mneumonic> volume doesnt have a notification
[02:21] <Mneumonic> anyone have any ideas for this?
[02:24] <Mneumonic> Also, is there a way to remove chromium?
[02:24] <Mneumonic> if i try to remove it, it tells me it is also going to remove lubuntu
[02:25] <Unit193> It's going to remove lubuntu-desktop, not Lubuntu
[02:25] <Mneumonic> whats the difference
[02:26] <Unit193> Lubuntu is the distro, lubuntu-desktop is the package that installs everything you need for a default Lubuntu install
[02:26] <Unit193> It's a metapackage
[02:26] <Mneumonic> is there a way to remove chromium without removing that
[02:26] <Unit193> !lubuntu-desktop
[02:26] <Unit193> It's fine if it gets removed, I don't have it anymore
[02:27] <Mneumonic> would i then have to install lxde to have a desktop back?
[02:27] <Unit193> You wouldn't have to reinstall anything
[02:28] <Mneumonic> I think i'm lost then. Won't removing lubuntu-desktop leave me without a desktop?
[02:28] <Unit193> No
[02:29] <Unit193> If you remove chromium, it will remove this metapackage, the only reason you would need it is when you upgrade to Oneiric
[02:29] <Mneumonic> ah alright, thanks
[02:29] <Mneumonic> any idea about how to get notifications to work when i adjust sound using my multimedia keys?
[02:29] <Unit193> Give me a second
[02:29] <Mneumonic> alright
[02:33] <Unit193> If you mouse wheel over the volume icon, does it work?
[02:34] <Mneumonic> yea
[02:34] <Mneumonic> it works if i use my keys also
[02:34] <Mneumonic> i just don't get a graphical notification
[02:35] <Unit193> Hmmm.... I don't seem to be finding much
[02:35] <Mneumonic> Yea its not that big of a deal
[02:35] <Mneumonic> not a dealbreaker for lubuntu
[02:36] <Mneumonic> Honestly i was done with Ubuntu based distros until i tried lubuntu today
[02:36] <Mneumonic> so far i'm really liking it
[02:36] <Unit193> Awesome, what turned you off?
[02:42] <Mneumonic> every 11.04 derivative i've tried (ubuntu, xubuntu and mint 11) all had a ton of bugs
[02:42] <Mneumonic> does lubuntu use pulseaudio or just alsa
[02:43] <Mneumonic> I actually gave xubuntu 11.04 another try earlier and had even more bugs than before
[02:44] <Unit193> I think it's just alsa
[02:44] <Mneumonic> that could be why
[02:44] <Mneumonic> It seems like every distro that uses pulseaudio is terrible on my laptop
[02:47] <Unit193> http://paste.ubuntu.com/694191/
[02:47] <Unit193> !pastebinit
[03:05] <Mneumonic> Yea i give up on getting volume notifications to work
[03:05] <Mneumonic> i guess its not that big of a deal
[03:18] <Mneumonic> Is there a way to chnage the theme of the panel
[03:18] <Mneumonic> I see change appearance but don't see panel options
[03:31] <bioterror> volume doesnt have notification becouse it is done thru openbox's rc.xml
[03:32] <bioterror> display brightnes shows notification becouse power-applet, I think ;)
[03:32] <Unit193> notify-send Volume done turned up
[03:37] <bioterror> silverarrow, any particular reason for ircing as a root?
[03:38] <rezbd> if I don't see I software after installing it, where should I look for it?
[03:39] <rezbd> a software*
[03:39] <bioterror> dpkg -L package
[03:39] <rezbd> is it a terminal command?
[03:39] <bioterror> ofcourse it is ;)
[03:39] <bioterror> !dpkg
[03:40] <rezbd> ok :)
[03:40] <rezbd> I have installed ttytter but don't see it
[03:41] <rezbd> anywhere
[03:41] <bioterror> commandline twitter client
[03:41] <rezbd> yes ;)
[03:42] <rezbd> I'm gonna reinstall it again
[03:44] <rezbd> still don't see it :(
[03:44] <rezbd> it should be on 'internet' section
[03:45] <bioterror> no it should not
[03:45] <bioterror> it doesnt create a .desktop -file into /usr/share/applications/
[03:45] <bioterror> it's a console client
[03:45] <rezbd> :( so how can I opent it?
[03:46] <rezbd> open*
[03:46] <bioterror> man tytter
[03:46] <bioterror> ttytter
[03:47] <rezbd> rezwan@rezwan-NF108-NF208:~$ man ttytter
[03:47] <rezbd> No manual entry for ttytter
[03:47] <rezbd> See 'man 7 undocumented' for help when manual pages are not available.
[03:47] <rezbd> rezwan@rezwan-NF108-NF208:~$
[03:47] <rezbd> :(
[03:49] <bioterror> no manpage :o
[03:49] <rezbd> :(
[03:51] <bioterror> just run it in a terminal?
[03:52] <bioterror> must be a simple application if it doesnt need a man page
[03:53] <rezbd> yes it's very simeple
[03:54] <rezbd> even I don't know how can I run it from terminal :p
[08:00] <silverarrow> hi
[08:00] <silverarrow> why doesn't lubuntu go for softmaker
[08:00] <silverarrow> ?
[08:01] <silverarrow> It would be the lightest office out there  I think
[14:01] <_s1lent-b0b> I have an odd problem. When I log in, my alsa sound level is all the way down. I turned them up where I want them, save the session, it does not matter. [xfce desktop and lxde] Lubuntu 10.10. Was working fine, I don't understand what happened...
[14:02] <_s1lent-b0b> does anyone know where alsa saves it's sound levels?
[14:15] <_s1lent-b0b> I guess not ;)
[14:16] <_s1lent-b0b> I have tried reinstalling alsa, reinstalling the mixer, I am baffled. {why does purge not REALLY remove all settings ... }
[14:19] <_s1lent-b0b> wow this room is absolutely worthless. No ideas and nobody else has a problem. I just go with Xubuntu and start over. nevermind.
[14:45] <ahma> Is there anything that cant be done using lubuntu but can be done by ubuntu by a normal user?
[15:14] <pmatulis> how are people liking the beta version?  working well?  i'm considering upgrading...
[15:34] <leszek> hi
[15:36] <ahma> Hi
[20:45] <czz> Hello, does anyone know why the Chromium updates have stopped? (Dev. build)
[20:45] <czz> The last update was almost a month ago...
[20:47] <m6locks> hmm nope
[20:48] <m6locks> which build is the latest?
[20:48] <m6locks> i just built mine
[20:48] <m6locks> it is 99583
[20:53] <czz> m6locks, what version?
[20:58] <m6locks> czz:
[20:58] <m6locks> 15.0.871.0 (Developer Build 99583) Ubuntu 10.04
[20:59] <czz> Same here.
[20:59] <czz> Should be this: 16.0.889.0
[20:59] <m6locks> i don't mind since this works
[20:59] <czz> true
[21:00] <m6locks> should? they have a stable out for 10.04?
[21:00] <m6locks> or is it just for newer versions
[22:38] <micahg> the person in Ubuntu who was working on Chromium left the project, so we're hobbling along ATM, hopefully stable will be updated soon, we'll get the other PPAs going next month hopefully
[22:45] <Unit193> micahg: Ah, thanks. I'll make sure and remember that
[22:45] <micahg> and we're looking for people who want to help maintain them as well :)
[22:48] <Unit193> I know jmars is busy, but that's something we may really need
[22:59] <gilir> micahg, he left temporarly or definitly ? pretty sad :(
[22:59] <micahg> gilir: it seems permanent
[22:59] <gilir> :-/
[22:59] <micahg> I missed M14 for beta 2, but it should go in right after
[23:00] <gilir> no problem, it could wait post B2
[23:01] <micahg> yeah, M13 has special cert protection OOTB, so I didn't rush


[07:37] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: pstolowski: why do we need https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/previewcommentinput/+merge/260719 ? doesn't the other input stuff we have work?
[07:41] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, afair the look is slightly different, but will need to check design doc again
[07:42] <tsdgeos> i see
[07:54] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/qmluitests_to_uitests/+merge/262661
[08:12] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, from quick look i think it needs to be a single line comment? and the button right to it; is it possible with existing widget?
[08:13] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, mzanetti i'm going to rebuild the music scope in silo 5, shall i also rebuild unity*
[08:13] <pstolowski> 8?
[08:26] <mzanetti> pstolowski, yes
[08:27] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, yes, they look a bit different, there's also the new comment item to be done still
[08:27] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, will review that branch, thanks
[08:31] <tsdgeos> ok then if we're sure we can't reuse the other one
[08:31] <tsdgeos> just wanted to make sure we had thought about it
[08:38] <tsdgeos> doooo
[08:38] <tsdgeos> xvfbtestSurfaceContainer doesn't even compile
[08:38] <tsdgeos>     /home/tsdgeos_work/phablet/unity8/unity8/tests/qmltests/Stages/tst_SurfaceContainer.qml:35,13: Cannot assign to non-existent property "orientation"
[09:00] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: we probably should tell fginther too that the name of the target changed
[09:00] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, the jenkins job runs the ./runtests script
[09:00] <tsdgeos> ah cool
[09:00]  * tsdgeos checks if we updated that one or not :D
[09:01] <tsdgeos> we did \o/
[09:08] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: what's the deal with https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/suspend_screenshoting/+merge/257119 are we landing it or waiting for confirmation?
[09:09] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, this only stores them to disk, right? does not yet reload them at startup
[09:10] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: it does if it crashed or was killed
[09:11] <mzanetti> so it changes the crashed case
[09:11] <tsdgeos> + shows spinner
[09:11] <mzanetti> ah. I've been talking to jouni about this
[09:11] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, so we figured that on krillin the sized down screenshots look quite bad, while on arale they don't
[09:12] <mzanetti> the reason is that the resolution is already quite low on krillin
[09:12] <mzanetti> so jouni asked for a threshold... i.e. use full pixel screenshots on krillin, scale downon arale
[09:13] <mzanetti> where does the spinner come from? design-wise
[09:13] <tsdgeos> it was there already i think
[09:13] <tsdgeos> maybe not, not sure
[09:14] <tsdgeos> no it's new
[09:14] <tsdgeos> not sure who told me to add it tbh
[09:17] <tsdgeos> does anyone know what's the command to enter a schroot in "modify" mode?
[09:18] <tsdgeos> ah it may be using source:vivid-amd64 as name
[09:18]  * tsdgeos checks
[09:20] <tsdgeos> yep, cool
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[12:06] <pete-woods> anyone know what I have to do to get rid of these errors when running unity8?
[12:06] <pete-woods> Failed to start a new media-hub player session:  org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name core.ubuntu.media.Service was not provided by any .service files
[12:06] <pete-woods> I've installed and started media-hub
[12:06] <pete-woods> but it doesn't seem to be claiming that name on the bus
[12:09] <pete-woods> mzanetti / tsdgeos ?
[12:51] <tsdgeos> pete-woods: have never seen that to be honest
[12:51] <tsdgeos> pete-woods: is it on the desktop or on the phone you get this error?
[12:52] <pete-woods> tsdgeos: desktop
[13:25] <tsdgeos> dandrader: hi there maybe you can review https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/fix_test_tutorial/+merge/262681 ?
[13:41] <dandrader> tsdgeos, sure
[13:42] <tsdgeos> dandrader: tx
[13:49] <tsdgeos> dandrader: using Shell in thre means copying code from OrientedShell to the test, which is worse than just using OrientedShell, no?
[13:55] <dandrader> tsdgeos, will check
[13:55] <dandrader> tsdgeos, I would think it would at most require assigning some Shell.qml properties, like "mode: "greeter"
[13:56] <tsdgeos> well
[13:56] <tsdgeos> yes and no
[13:56] <tsdgeos> the test is changing a gsetting and in exchange of that it expects things to behave differently
[13:56] <tsdgeos> the gsetting is processed in OrientedShell
[13:56] <tsdgeos> of course you can make the test change the property in tutorial directly
[13:57] <tsdgeos> but that makes part of the test less reliable since what we want is not that changing the property does something but that changing the gsetting does something
[13:59] <dandrader> tsdgeos, there's also the thing of "unit test vs. integration test": you usually want have the minimum amount of code/context/environment necessary to test a given feature/use case
[14:00] <tsdgeos> dandrader: yes we can discuss how many angels can dance on the head of a pin or just fix the test with a one liner
[14:08] <dandrader> tsdgeos, don't fret. Added the tst_Tutorial fix I suggested to https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/unity8/fixOrientedShellTests/+merge/262490
[14:09] <tsdgeos> yeah whatevger
[14:09] <tsdgeos> i need to remember an easy review is never easy with you
[14:09] <dandrader> tsdgeos, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dandrader/unity8/fixOrientedShellTests/revision/1833 it simplifies tst_Tutorial.qml code
[14:10] <tsdgeos> it's silly you prefer to change 10 lines of code
[14:10] <tsdgeos> test less things
[14:10] <tsdgeos> and call it a win
[14:10] <tsdgeos> but i'm going on holidays again
[14:10] <tsdgeos> so  \o/
[14:13] <dandrader> tsdgeos, it's testing what it's supposed to test but it's not involving unrelated components unnecessarily. that's the spirit of unit testing. your arguments sounds like we should rewrite all our qmltests into autopilot tests, so we can test "more"
[14:14] <tsdgeos> dandrader: and that's why we don't call our tests unit tests :)
[14:15] <tsdgeos> dandrader: but don't worry you've won, no need to keep arguing, just that when the thing that we were testing before and we don't test with your change breaks i hope you remember how much better having pure unittests is
[14:17] <dandrader> tsdgeos, namely testing that a GSettings modifications affects Shell.usageScenario. That's a wholly different test from ensuring swipes in the Tutorial do what they should
[14:19] <tsdgeos> dandrader: the test checks that you don't get the right edge swipe when gsettings says we are on window mode, it's not "ensuring swipes in the Tutorial do what they should"
[14:21] <tsdgeos> now after your change it's only testing that it does so when shell.usageScenario = "desktop";
[14:21] <tsdgeos> we've lost part of the test
[14:21] <tsdgeos> you understand that right?
[14:22] <tsdgeos> does the test *really belong* in there? i don't know and i don't care, i'm just saying testing less things is not good
[14:46] <tsdgeos> dandrader: while you're fixing tests you may want to fix testSurfaceContainer too
[14:47] <dandrader> tsdgeos, it checks tutorial behavior when shell is in windowed/desktop mode. the mock gsettings is just a *way* for the test to get shell into this mode. it's not part of the test itself
[14:47] <tsdgeos> dandrader: it's the way the real world gets it into this mode
[14:47] <tsdgeos> so it's a pretty important way :)
[14:47] <dandrader> s/test itself/code under test
[14:48] <tsdgeos> dude you're hard  to  talk to even when i've say you've won
[14:48] <tsdgeos> can we all go back to work?
[14:48] <tsdgeos> not sure what you're trying to convince me of really
[15:02] <MacSlow> ltinkl, mzanetti: I've resubmitted lp:~macslow/unity-api/set-progress-api to make the API-additions (spread across two branches) get merged in an organized/enforced order.
[15:29] <tsdgeos> cimi: how urgent is https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/card-shadows-uitk1.1/+merge/261977 ?
[15:29] <tsdgeos> i.e. do i have to review it today or can it wait for next tuesday?
[15:30] <cimi> tsdgeos, better today if you can
[15:30] <cimi> tsdgeos, if you cannot, we can ask someone else
[15:30] <cimi> tsdgeos, since cardcreator breaks easily, better if we merge
[15:32] <tsdgeos> cimi: ok, i'll start now, but may need someone else to pick it up anyway unless i find it to be flawless
[15:46] <tsdgeos> cimi: i'm not going to have time for a proper review, i'll try to find some time tomorrow morning but can't promise i'll be able in shape to do much
[15:47] <cimi> tsdgeos, we can find someone else then, enjoy your time off
[15:51] <tsdgeos> cimi: in general it looks good i'd say
[15:51] <tsdgeos> did a few minor questions
[15:51] <tsdgeos> don't feel like you need to "agree/address" them
[15:51] <tsdgeos> just give it some extra thought and that's it
[15:51] <tsdgeos> then decide if what i ask makes sense or not :d
[15:55] <cimi> tsdgeos, replied
[15:59] <tsdgeos> replied back
[16:00] <cimi> tsdgeos, ok I will comment in genericscopeview
[16:01] <cimi> tsdgeos, it is not possible to have that size elsewhere
[16:01] <cimi> I'll actually change to 8gu, 7.4gu because that's the size we want
[16:15] <tsdgeos> cimi: okidoki
[16:15]  * tsdgeos waves
[16:16] <cimi> tsdgeos, by...
[16:16] <cimi> ehm :D
[16:53] <ljagielski> Hi, does anyone have idea if Unity global menu has stopped sending AboutToShow method?
[16:53] <ljagielski> I cannot find this in dbus-monitor in 15.04 and think it was there in 14.04
[18:41] <attente> hi, does u8 still have known issues with multi-surface apps?
[20:41] <mhall119> so I'm trying to get the unity8-lxc installed, and during the setup stage I got stuck in a loop of these messages:
[20:41] <mhall119> dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove ubuntu-standard which isn't installed
[20:41] <mhall119> dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove systemd-sysv which isn't installed
[20:41] <mhall119> just that, over and over again


[09:32] <stevenm> Hello everybody, I've downloaded a daily of 13.04 - I'll be using the 3.8 PPA on it after... should be using gnome3 ppa or gnome3-staging ?
[09:33] <stevenm> i'm after stability - so i'm thinking gnome3 ppa only - but will i miss anything by not adding gnome3-staging (other than new features)
[09:33] <stevenm> i.e. is gnome3 pps *complete* in the sense it has everything GNOME released 3.8 to have
[09:33] <stevenm> *ppa
[23:17] <jbicha> darkxst: oh I didn't see your patch for bug 1064022
[23:20] <jbicha> we can still ask the release team to let it in for raring but they may wait to do it as an SRU


[01:31] <joejaxx> ajmitch: the reason i am asking is about my aforementioned statements about cell processing
[01:31] <joejaxx> support*
[01:32] <joejaxx> i do not know if that is any area that ubuntu wants to go in
[01:32] <joejaxx> an*
[12:34] <gnomefreak> not sure if this is known or not but lvm is having major issues on the 2.6.19 series kernels it seems
[12:36] <fabbione> gnomefreak: what kind of issues?
[12:36] <fabbione> clearly being a bit more specific is totally optional...
[12:36] <gnomefreak> fabbione: from my understanding its not booting due to initramfs
[12:37] <fabbione> gnomefreak: it's not a kernel problem. I just uploaded a fix for lvm-common
[12:37] <gnomefreak> fabbione: ah ok
[12:37] <fabbione>  lvm-common (1.5.20ubuntu8) feisty; urgency=low
[12:37] <fabbione>  .
[12:37] <fabbione>    * Change local-top and hook prereq on mdadm and not md.
[12:37] <fabbione>    (Closes Ubuntu: #72387)
[12:37] <fabbione>  .
[12:37] <fabbione>    * Bump Depends on mdadm to make sure mdadm is available.
[12:37] <gnomefreak> that would be it ty
[12:39] <fabbione> if you can't boot in the system, just add "break" without "" to the boot options
[12:39] <fabbione> that will bring you to initramfs shell
[12:39] <fabbione> read manually /init
[12:39] <fabbione> and once you get to execute local-top stuff
[12:40] <fabbione> make sure to run udev before mdadm
[12:40] <fabbione> and then lvm
[12:40] <fabbione> once that's done
[12:40] <fabbione> crtl+d
[12:40] <gnomefreak> thats before the update?
[12:42] <fabbione> if you cannot boot into the system, you will need to recover somehow
[12:42] <fabbione> and that's a way to do it
[12:43] <gnomefreak> ok ill let them know ty
[12:45] <fabbione> if they can't recover well.. they shouldn't be running feisty..
[12:45] <gnomefreak> they shouldnt be running it anyway IMO
[12:46] <siretart> fabbione: how about a tag in malone for bugs which potentially break booting the system?
[12:49] <fabbione> siretart: and what would that solve?
[12:49] <fabbione> people don't look at malone anyway before upgrading
[12:50] <fabbione> they only cry afterwards
[12:50] <siretart> well, I've been looking through a whole bunch of package bug pages for trying to find out what problem ajmitch is talking about
[12:51] <siretart> he told something about his system wouldn't boot anymore because of some lvm+mdadm fuckage
[12:51] <fabbione> siretart: and i told him that i was going to work on it as soon as i was back home with test equipment
[12:51] <siretart> in the end, I didn't find any bug report about his problem, so I refrained from upgrading my system to feisty
[12:52] <fabbione> siretart: well it was non obvious breakage. there were more than one bug
[12:52] <siretart> the problems I want to solve: reduction of duplicate bugs filed, better overview if it was 'currently' a good idea to wait with upgrading
[12:52] <fabbione> and one is still to be sorted
[12:53] <fabbione> siretart: the bug was filed in lvm-common where it did belong
[12:53] <siretart> well, somehow I managed to overlook it
[12:55] <fabbione> there is also a bug in initramfs-tools prereq handling
[12:56] <fabbione> mdadm was still pointing to udev
[12:56] <fabbione> but udev was not being executed at all before mdadm
[12:56] <fabbione> and that was because of lvm prereq on md instead of mdadm
[12:56] <fabbione> that was defenitily not obvious
[12:59] <siretart> do you have bugnumbers where I can subscribe to?
[12:59] <fabbione> #72387
[12:59] <fabbione> already fixed
[12:59] <siretart> (you see why I think tags are a good idea?)
[12:59] <siretart> ok
[02:15] <BenC> kylem: ping
[03:14] <zul> hey BenC
[03:14] <zul> how was the flight back?
[03:17] <kylem> BenC, morning.
[03:17] <kylem> BenC, (showering, to answer your question...)
[03:17] <BenC> zul: yo
[03:18] <BenC> kylem: you shower before work? :)
[03:19] <BenC> kylem: Feel like taking on the backlog of dapper/edgy update patches I have?
[03:19] <kylem> sure.
[03:20] <BenC> I'll mbox them and send them over...they should all apply to the {edgy,dapper}-updates.git tree's without problems
[03:20] <kylem> okie doke.
[03:20] <BenC> do you know if your gpg key is ready for uploads?
[03:21] <mjg59> Kyle's certainly not in core-dev yet
[03:21] <kylem> BenC, i don't think i can upload, need to go through technical board or something first.
[03:21] <mjg59> kylem: I get to hold your career in my hands. Mwahahahahahahaha.
[03:22] <kylem> mjg59, cute. :P
[03:22] <mjg59> Now I have to go and move fruitflies between bottles.
[03:22] <thom> pretty similar really
[03:27] <BenC> kylem: sent
[03:27] <kylem> BenC, k.
[03:45] <Keybuk> this reminds me
[03:45] <Keybuk> we still don't have a technical board
[03:47] <zul> heh
[03:49] <mjg59> Oh, yeah
[03:49] <mjg59> Wasn't that meant to be sorted by tomorrow?
[04:05] <gnomefreak> no techboard?
[04:05] <gnomefreak> no CC either
[04:36] <kylem> BenC, have you reviewed all these as well, or should i take a look for inanity.
[04:37] <BenC> kylem: I haven't reviewed them at all, they've just been filling up my u-k mbox
[04:37] <kylem> i'll try to give them a once-over too.
[05:34] <zul> heh users are already complaining about 2.6.19
[05:51] <fabbione> zul: if they complain about mdadm and lvm point them to userland
[05:51] <fabbione> zul: i am working on fixing mdadm
[05:55] <siretart> fabbione++! :)
[05:57] <fabbione> siretart: i won't fix it today tho. i need some time to understand why edgy -> feisty upgrade fails and it happens only at the first time. otherwise a retry will work
[06:00] <siretart> fabbione: I won't upgrade my edgy system to feisty today anyway. I doubt I will find enough time for debugging this week
[06:34] <gnomefreak> nice warning apt gives when you try to remove mdadm :)
[06:36] <gnomefreak> s/apt/dpkg
[09:48] <zul> *sigh*
[09:49] <kylem> hmm?
[09:49] <zul> i dislike doing sql
[10:05] <sioux> hi
[10:05] <sioux> i have a bad problem with usbdisk on my dell c600. the usbdisk is mouted ok but after a some the system freeze and the mouse too freeze the only thing that i can do is force a restart manually :-( who can help me?
[10:06] <sioux> I also have some errors in dkesg like cpufreq: change failed with new_state 0 and result 0
[10:07] <sioux> my distro is edgy but dapper was the same
[10:07] <sioux> :-(
[10:11] <BenC> sioux: File a bug and attach dmesg output (file it against linux-source-2.6.17)
[10:13] <sioux> benc how can i attach a dmesg
[10:13] <BenC> sioux: dmesg > dmesg.txt
[10:13] <BenC> The bug tracker has an option to attach files
[10:14] <sioux> and how can i run the bug traker
[10:16] <sioux> [17180475.240000]  cpufreq: change failed with new_state 0 and result 0
[10:16] <sioux> [17180478.188000]  hdc: request sense failure: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error }
[10:16] <sioux> [17180478.188000]  hdc: request sense failure: error=0xb0 { LastFailedSense=0x0b }
[10:16] <sioux> [17180478.188000]  cpufreq: change failed with new_state 1 and result 0
[10:16] <sioux> [17180489.108000]  uhci_hcd 0000:00:07.2: host system error, PCI problems?
[10:16] <sioux> [17180489.108000]  uhci_hcd 0000:00:07.2: host controller halted, very bad!
[10:16] <sioux> [17180489.108000]  uhci_hcd 0000:00:07.2: HC died; cleaning up
[10:16] <sioux> [17180489.108000]  cpufreq: change failed with new_state 0 and result 0
[10:16] <sioux> [17180489.108000]  usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 3
[10:17] <sioux> these errors freeze the system if i plug a usbdisk on dell c600
[10:22] <sioux> ben collins! did you see the dmesg errors?
[10:38] <kylem> Unpacking 326 objects
[10:38] <kylem> Total 326, written 326 (delta 265), reused 0 (delta 0)
[10:38] <kylem> fatal: unresolved deltas left after unpacking
[10:38] <kylem> unpack unpacker exited with error code
[10:38] <kylem> ng refs/heads/master n/a (unpacker error)
[10:39] <sioux> ?
[10:40] <tormod> sioux: I gave you the link to the bug tracker.
[10:41] <sioux> tormod where is the link
[10:41] <tormod> sioux: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+filebug
[10:42] <sioux> :-)


[00:57] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue774 released to our reading public: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue774 :D
[03:04] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[08:37] <ducasse> morning
[11:07] <wez> Evening
[13:53] <ogra> https://ubuntu.com/blog/real-time-ubuntu-is-now-generally-available
[13:53] <ogra> 😄
[15:22] <ravage> who typed "write me a marketing bull*st blog post about real time kernels and mention our paid ubuntu pro service" in chatgpt?
[23:34] <leftyfb> ewe got a live one eh?
[23:35] <leftyfb> tomreyn: jiiun
[23:35] <leftyfb> and byte4byte doesn't help, as usual
[23:49] <tomreyn> all sorted for now
[23:53] <leftyfb> didn't know you could ban CIDR's in IRC. That would have made my life a lot easier back in the dau
[23:53] <leftyfb> dau*
[23:54] <leftyfb> bah
[23:54] <leftyfb> day*


[03:11] <Unit193> m4v: Do you think there's enough in #lubuntu-es to bother updateing the !es-#lubuntu to match !es-#xubuntu ?
[03:15] <m4v> Unit193: there isn't imo.
[03:16] <m4v> well, there are two guys idling, but.. I don't know them.
[03:27] <Unit193> Didn't think so.
[06:20] <bkerensa> lol


[12:24] <Burgwork> hmm, pclinuxos magazine is interesting
[12:27] <Burgwork> elkbuntu: ping
[01:55] <Burgwork> elkbuntu: final ping, leaving work soonish
[01:58] <jenda> Burgwork: it's early morning there...
[01:58] <Burgwork> 8 hours off makes it 11am
[01:58] <jenda> omg... it's early morning _here_ too :)
[01:58] <jenda> ok, the time goes too fast for my taste, disregard me.
[01:58] <jenda>
[01:58] <somerville32> :)
[02:05] <Burgwork> elkbuntu: I see you in -ops
[02:06] <elkbuntu> i've only just got to the computer
[02:06] <elkbuntu> im not even showered or fed yet
[02:06] <somerville32> :]
[02:06] <Burgwork> bah
[02:07] <somerville32> Burgwork: Any work for me tonight?
[02:07] <Burgwork> yep, the Feisty doc
[02:07] <elkbuntu> Burgwork, have you been waiting around for me?
[02:07] <Burgwork> elkbuntu: yes. it is now 5pm and I wanted to leave work at 3pm
[02:08] <Burgwork> I am very annoyed. You made you work a whole 8 hours
[02:08] <elkbuntu> awww.. im sorry :(
[02:08] <Burgwork> ON A FRIDAY
[02:09] <Burgwork> it is just isn't done
[02:09] <Burgwork> somerville32: he is a slightly gruntish task
[02:09] <somerville32> : )
[02:09] <Burgwork> we need to verify all those specs I dropped on the list are in fact, targetted at Feisty and that there have not been any more added
[02:13] <somerville32> Fun.
[02:14] <Burgwork> you asked for something to do :)
[02:14] <somerville32> :D
[02:17] <somerville32> Same place, same password?
[02:17] <Burgwork> same bat cave
[02:41] <Admiral_Chicago> anyone know if beryl servers are back up?
[02:44] <Burgwork> appear to be
[02:44] <Admiral_Chicago> Burgwork: ty
[02:45] <Admiral_Chicago> negative
[02:45] <Burgwork> beryl-project.org
[02:45] <Admiral_Chicago> http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/dists/edgy/main-edgy/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[02:45] <Admiral_Chicago> :\
[02:45] <Burgwork> right, those
[09:13] <somerville32> Just the person I was looking for!
[09:13] <Burgundavia> greetings
[09:13] <somerville32> :)
[09:13] <somerville32> How are ya?
[09:13] <Burgundavia> not bad
[09:18] <Burgundavia> what did you need me for?
[09:34] <somerville32> Burgundavia: I just wanted to talk about LookingForwardAtFeisty and Heard 1
[09:35] <Burgundavia> right
[09:35] <Burgundavia> Herd 1 is done, save bug reports and last minute stuff, but please run past myself
[09:36] <somerville32> k
[09:36] <somerville32> When are the documents planned to be done?
[09:36] <somerville32> or sorry
[09:36] <somerville32> to be released
[09:36] <Burgundavia> Herd 1 is released upon release of Herd 1
[09:36] <Burgundavia> I hope to have the other done this weekend
[09:36] <Burgundavia> s/I/we/
[09:37] <somerville32> :]
[09:37] <somerville32> What do you want for each spec? A write up?
[09:38] <Burgundavia> sort of
[09:38] <Burgundavia> basically, I think we need a doc that neatly explains the goals for Feisty to end users and developers
[09:38] <somerville32> Thats the thing I love about Ubuntu
[09:39] <somerville32> You can actually see what is getting done
[09:39] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:39] <Burgundavia> this makes those specs more accessible to the outside world
[09:40] <somerville32> Btw, any word on the next CCM is?
[09:40] <somerville32> *when
[09:40] <Burgundavia> ccm?
[09:40] <Burgundavia> cc?
[09:41] <somerville32> Community Council Meeting
[09:41] <Burgundavia> right. That is usually referred to as CC
[09:41] <Burgundavia> no idea
[10:05] <somerville32> I'm going to go to bed for now
[10:05] <somerville32> I think I'll reorganize LookingForwardAtFeisty tomorrow
[12:25] <tsmithe> ping jenda
[12:30] <jenda> tsmithe: pong
[12:31] <tsmithe> i checked the launchpad pages for one of those bug reports, and nothing related was subscribed (i think)...
[12:31] <tsmithe> now /me comes to think of it, he is unsure
[12:31] <jenda> thx for checking, but I'm quite sure one of them has to be - or it's a bug, but a weird one.
[12:33] <elkbuntu> jenda, im not sure, but i think mailman has been weird lately. -devel got -sounder stuff last week iirc
[12:34] <tsmithe> i checked all the subscribers and none of their email addresses = ubuntu-marketing
[12:34] <jenda> I heard
[12:34] <jenda> weiiiird
[12:34] <jenda> tsmithe: wow
[12:34] <tsmithe> well /me is off to walk dog
[12:35] <elkbuntu> ok.. that reads so wrong
[12:35] <jenda> intentional ;)
[12:36] <elkbuntu> you're nuts
[12:36] <jenda> elkbuntu: it's a joke US soldiers in vietnam had, or so i was told.
[12:36] <elkbuntu> i can believe it
[12:37] <elkbuntu> im sure it was around in the korean war as well
[03:33] <dotwaffle> more likely to be korean, koreans are famous for supposedly eating dogs. don't think it happens in Vietnam...
[03:35] <jenda> They do eat dogs. I know one.
[03:35] <jenda>
[03:35] <elkbuntu> i think the countries in that region tend to consume anything with protein that isnt toxic.
[03:37] <dotwaffle> It's been a while since I've had chance to call anyone but Germans or Americans crazy, so I take this moment to declare... South-East Asians are crazy.
[03:37] <klepas> Germans?
[03:37] <klepas> crazy?
[03:40] <dotwaffle> klepas: Visit a German demoparty, and see Germans clad in PVC and metal dancing to happy-go-lucky-pop, and deny their crazyness ;)
[03:40] <klepas> haha
[03:40] <klepas> okay, point taken
[03:40] <klepas> but who visits those parties anyway?
[03:40] <klepas> other crazy people?
[03:41] <elkbuntu> you need proof germans are crazy. read dholbach's latest blog...
[03:41] <klepas> linky
[03:41] <elkbuntu> planet.ubuntu.com
[03:42] <dotwaffle> klepas: ME ;)
[03:43] <jenda> lol
[03:43] <jenda> Germans are crazy...
[03:43] <jenda> I just traded 10 posters with one for an Ubuntu polo shirt ;)
[03:43] <dotwaffle> Says a Czech ;)
[03:44] <jenda> :)
[03:44] <MenZa> Ubuntu polo shirt!
[03:44] <MenZa> I want one
[03:44] <MenZa> Where? Who? Why? How?
[03:44] <jenda> Czechs aren't crazy... they only drink a little more beer than others.
[03:44] <klepas> well at least i am proof that not all germans are crazy
[03:44] <klepas> some are half-sane
[03:44] <tsmithe> jenda will charge extortionately now for that shirt
[03:44] <ompaul> klepas, and the other half?
[03:44] <jenda> I'll keep that shirt - I bought the posters to send him, from myself...
[03:44] <MenZa> jenda is most definitely not crazy.
[03:44] <ompaul> xaner?
[03:44] <ompaul> xsaner that is
[03:45] <MenZa> tsmithe: you made that shirt :D?
[03:45] <tsmithe> MenZa, no!?
[03:45] <tsmithe> what gave you that idea?
[03:45] <jenda> how do you like the smiley? :)
[03:45] <MenZa> *shrugs*
[03:45] <MenZa> I'm desperate
[03:45] <MenZa> I want one
[03:45] <MenZa> :d
[03:45] <tsmithe> jenda: you and your crazy smilies
[03:45] <jenda> MenZa: I'll be making some...
[03:46] <klepas> ompaul: not sure
[03:46] <MenZa> jenda: really? Sweet.
[03:46] <klepas> get to know me and decide for yourself :)
[03:46] <jenda> but try contacting Nik Butler or Julius bloch - they have some now ;)
[03:47] <dotwaffle> klepas: Proof that Germans, Danish and Portugese are indeed crazy: http://slengpung.com/v3/show_photo.php?id=14726&ref=event
[03:47] <klepas> surely not all...?
[03:48] <dotwaffle> I have no proof to the contrary ;)
[03:48] <klepas> me?
[03:48] <ompaul> what is mad is that we let you think you are mad :-)
[03:48] <klepas> :D
[03:48] <klepas> :-)
[03:48] <klepas> CamelCase ftw
[03:49] <dotwaffle> you can't get more mad than the FInns though ;) Hard rocky salty liquorice mixed in vodka... Salmiakki Koskenkorva...
[03:50] <jenda> I had that stuff once.
[03:50] <jenda> I swear to god I've never had anything worse.
[03:50] <jenda> I mean... no, I only had salmiakki itself.
[03:50] <dotwaffle> I get it every year - for some reason I always forget how bad it is ;)
[03:51] <jenda> I guess the vodka makes it worse, until you have had a lot already.
[03:52] <atoponce> how do i center an image in the wiki?
[03:52] <dotwaffle> jenda: you guessed right, when drunk, it's quite nice. but don't drink it FIRST ;)
[03:53] <jenda> yes :)
[03:53] <jenda> I ate one of the damn candies... and it was terrible.
[03:53] <jenda> For some reason I thought the second would be better... :/
[04:04] <atoponce> i've been thinking about our mission statement idea...
[04:05] <jenda> uh oh
[04:05] <jenda>
[04:05] <jenda> atoponce: I'm very nervous, and rather busy right now, mind if I try to avoid the discussion for now? :)
[04:06] <atoponce> :) sure
[04:06] <atoponce> why are you so nervous?
[04:07] <jenda> I'm giving a speech on accelerated desktops tonight
[04:07] <jenda> and I just finished getting ready, I think...
[04:07] <atoponce> ahh. part of openweek?
[04:07] <jenda> or at least, can't think of nuthing to soy
[04:07] <jenda> nope
[04:07] <jenda> The Linux Weekend - a RL thing :)
[04:08] <atoponce> ahh. cool
[04:09] <atoponce> well, i'm just going to spit out some ideas. i'm open for suggestion from anyone
[04:09] <jenda> cool
[04:09] <jenda> I'll have a look at them, and perhaps respond later, if I can help it :)
[04:09] <atoponce> ok
[04:10] <atoponce> thinking out loud, but i think bug #1 should be the foundation that we built the mission statement on
[04:11] <jenda> +1
[04:11] <atoponce> from the "bug report":
[04:12] <atoponce> What should happen:
[04:12] <atoponce> "2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all."
[04:18] <jenda> OK, I'm out.
[04:18] <jenda> See ya later, will check it later too.
[04:18] <atoponce> ttyl
[04:18] <jenda> atoponce: maybe you might want to put it on the mailing list.
[04:19] <atoponce> jenda: will do
[04:30] <atoponce> ok... where was i?
[04:31] <atoponce> oh yeah. i think that #2 above should be our focus specifically.  In fact, I find it worded perfectly to be the main goal of our mission statement
[04:31] <atoponce> from there, we can break it down a bit and add a few points that will help give it direction
[04:31] <atoponce> like:
[04:32] <atoponce> 1) spreading the brand and trademark that is ubuntu
[04:33] <atoponce> 2) enlightening users to the features that ubuntu offers
[04:34] <atoponce> 3) encouraging users to create and spread ideas
[04:34] <atoponce> what do you think?
[04:36] <atoponce> my LUG is currently writing a constitution and mission statement to give us clear direction, but also, to help the officers know what is expected of them and what needs to be done at any given time
[04:40] <atoponce> so anyway, what do you guys think?
[04:43] <tsmithe> but...
[04:44] <tsmithe> ...
[04:44] <tsmithe> very good!
[04:45] <atoponce> any feedback? ideas? comments? rude rebarks?
[04:45] <tsmithe> arf arf
[04:45] <atoponce> s/rebarks/remarks/
[04:45] <tsmithe> fra <- rebark
[04:46] <tsmithe> (2) is a bit general... ubuntu has many features
[04:46] <tsmithe> (3) what kind of ideas?
[04:46] <tsmithe> (1) is good
[04:48] <atoponce> cool. yeah. ok. well...
[04:48] <atoponce> thinking about 2), what makes ubuntu unique from the other distributions?  what really makes it stand out?
[04:49] <tsmithe> the community
[04:49] <tsmithe> this is not emphasised enough, anywhere
[04:49] <atoponce> i can think of a few things, like a 1 cd install, 6 month rollout, strong community
[04:50] <atoponce> but also software features.  spread firefox set a good example.
[04:50] <tsmithe> but these ideas are only useful when compared to other linux distributions
[04:50] <tsmithe> damn i'm a bit late
[04:50] <atoponce> they focus on security, anti-phising, stability, tabbed-browsing, etc
[04:51] <atoponce> i think we could market similar ubuntu features. they don't *have* to be unique, necessarily
[04:52] <atoponce> those are the "features" that i was thinking of, but it definitely could be more specific
[04:52] <atoponce> for 3), this is where i'm a bit rusty, but think it should be included nonetheless
[04:53] <tsmithe> re features: things that people a) like, b) are looking for, c) don't know they could have, d) are not scary; unless we are focusing on devs
[04:53] <atoponce> are we, as users and a marketing team, encouraging users outside the team to create ideas to spread ubuntu?
[04:54] <atoponce> tsmithe: yeah. exactly
[04:56] <tsmithe> atoponce, of course we encourage others to spread ubuntu!
[04:57] <atoponce> good! :)
[04:57] <tsmithe> it'd be silly otherwise
[04:58] <atoponce> you see what i'm getting at, though? we can't be 100% responsible for spreading ubuntu.  we need to put 100% effort into it, but we also need others to do the same.
[04:58] <atoponce> with the size of community that ubuntu has, if everyone put in 100% effort to get ubuntu on computers, MS would lose their market share overnight
[05:00] <atoponce> :)
[05:02] <tsmithe> how many users does ubuntu have
[05:02] <tsmithe> i've heard 6m
[05:03] <tsmithe> if that doubles every two releases, then in five years there will be 144m people using it
[05:03] <tsmithe> we need every user to conscript one other every year
[05:04] <tsmithe> that's not too hard!
[05:05] <atoponce> agreed
[05:05] <atoponce> we CAN do it, we just need to get off our lazy butts, and get to work! :)
[05:10] <tsmithe> lazy and at work
[08:56] <poningru> glaah
[08:57] <poningru> are we working on UWN 24?
[09:02] <somerville32> :D
[09:02] <somerville32> We sure are! :D
[09:03] <poningru> where? consus or wiki?
[09:03] <poningru> err gobby or wiki?
[09:04] <poningru> its freakin saturday man!!
[10:30] <somerville32> poningru: ping
[10:31] <poningru> somerville32: pong
[10:31] <somerville32> I'm going to go get some food
[10:32] <somerville32> But when I get back, do you want to work on the queue?
[10:32] <poningru> sure
[10:32] <poningru> where is the queue?
[10:35] <somerville32> Gobby
[10:36] <poningru> err it is?
[10:36] <somerville32> Yeah.
[10:37] <somerville32> There are two documents that need finishing this weekend
[10:37] <poningru> herd 1 and ?
[10:37] <poningru> uwn24?
[10:38] <poningru> cause thats not been started yet
[10:38] <somerville32> LookingForwardAtFeisty
[10:38] <poningru> oh
[10:40] <poningru> kk

[10:41] <poningru> hehe
[10:45] <somerville32> He ran away :(
[10:45] <lotusleaf> ompaul: yo gnewsense dude
[10:46] <ompaul> sup?
[10:47] <jenda> hello
[10:47] <jenda> It was cool, and went well.
[10:48] <ompaul> still lagging but down to a much smaller 2.6 seconds
[10:52] <lotusleaf> ompaul: ?
[10:52] <ompaul> nibbling at the edges so to speak :)
[10:52] <ompaul> the big yo!
[10:52] <poningru> blargh?
[10:52] <lotusleaf> oh, well hello then =)
[10:53] <ompaul> ahh that I understand :)
[10:53] <lotusleaf> (= :) =)
[10:53] <ompaul> hi there
[10:56] <jenda> somerville32: ping
[11:03] <somerville32> jenda: pong
[11:03] <somerville32> Indeed! :]
[11:04] <jenda> Good luck there - I'm reading your wiki now.
[11:04] <somerville32> Think I got a chance?
[11:04] <jenda> Most certainly :)
[11:05] <jenda> your xubuntu-welcome-centre link is broke, though ;)
[11:05] <somerville32> doh
[11:06] <MenZa> welcome centre
[11:07] <jenda> MenZa, i found a guy today who wants to make a business doing Ubuntu merchandise.
[11:07] <MenZa> sweet
[11:07] <jenda> He runs a printer.
[11:08] <jenda> But since he attended the Linux Weekend, he's probably not gonna be a bad guy ;)
[11:09] <jenda> And he'll probably be printing more Ubuntu Highway posters once I'm out.
[11:09] <jenda> :)
[11:09] <somerville32> Speaking of posters, haha
[11:18] <tsmithe> jenda: how was the talk?
[11:20] <jenda> great :)
[11:20] <jenda> great folks, Czech Linux users :)
[11:21] <MenZa> :D
[11:21] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: need any link scrounging for UWN24?
[11:24] <Burgundavia> haven't really looked, but sure
[11:25] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: ready for link scrounging whenever =)
[11:26] <Burgundavia> go forth now
[11:26] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: but for what?
[11:26] <lotusleaf> the last time, I checked for edgy reviews, and know that I know what type of summaries to glean =)
[11:27] <lotusleaf> now that I know* :)
[11:27] <lotusleaf> or know that I know now * :)
[11:27] <lotusleaf> or know that I now know
[11:27] <lotusleaf> =) =)
[11:27] <Burgundavia> any news on Ubuntu or derivs
[11:28] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: cool, I'll scrounge about
[11:30] <somerville32> Lets all get on gobby and work :)
[11:36] <lotusleaf> "Technalign chooses Kubuntu for TaFusion Linux" http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/11/prweb485213.htm
[11:48] <Burgundavia> ok, this is fun
[11:48] <Burgundavia> cd goes in, hangs everything
[11:49] <Burgundavia> eject has hung, sound-juicer won't start
[11:49] <Burgundavia> ouch