[03:21] <cryptodan> has anyone else reported a hung reboot process on a new install
[03:22] <sarnold> not recently
[03:23] <cryptodan> ive had 3 using ubuntu 18.04 on an HP ml350p
[04:14] <axisys> I know yum packages from defaults repos are signed.. is it same for deb packages from ubuntu repos?
[04:14] <axisys> I think so, but I want to double check
[04:16] <sarnold> axisys: the ubuntu / debian apt security model revolves around the repository keys in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/
[04:16] <sarnold> axisys: by default it is set up to trust official ubuntu mirrors
[04:17] <sarnold> axisys: anyone can run a mirror, but some mirrors are more up to date than others
[04:17] <axisys> sarnold: thank you!
[04:17] <sarnold> axisys: the InRelease files in the archive mirrors describe the files containing SHA256 hashes
[04:17] <sarnold> and those describe the packages
[04:18] <sarnold> so the packages aren't individually signed, but you can follow a chain of trust back towards the public keys on your system
[04:19] <sarnold> axisys: take a look at the InRelease file here http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic-updates/
[04:21] <axisys> sarnold: so that is different from yum I think where individual packages are signed? OR probably not.. I suppose a question for different channel .. appreciate all these details
[04:22] <sarnold> axisys: definitely; the last time I used yum it was on a g3 ibook :)
[04:22] <sarnold> axisys: the last time I used rpm, definitely each rpm was individually signed
[04:22] <sarnold> but I don't know if that's still the case
[04:24] <axisys> sarnold: checking with #centos .. thanks again
[04:25] <sarnold> woot
[04:25] <sarnold> have fun axisys
[04:28] <cryptodan> my Dell PowerEdge 4600 has been decommissioned, and I am now on ubuntu 18.04 with this https://termbin.com/cpl4
[04:28] <sarnold> 92 gigs?
[04:35] <cryptodan> yup
[04:42] <mybalzitch> you need some 2670's or better in that baby
[04:43] <cryptodan> its for small home office and hobby machine
[07:21] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:06] <Myros> Hello, my server crashed, what should i do? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BK4sVMvKzK/
 Myros: storage issues (amongst other, but those are critical). replace sdf
[08:09] <tomreyn> your hard disks seem to generally run way too hot
[08:09] <tomreyn> thats if those readings are correct
[08:14] <tomreyn> why do you run gnome-shell on y server?
[08:14] <tomreyn> s/ y / a /
[08:15] <tomreyn> Myros: do you actually read this?
[08:15] <Myros> Yes
[08:16] <Myros> I use the server with other persons gnome-shell is likley from another user
[08:21] <tomreyn> you should probably be using separate hardware.
[08:23] <tomreyn> until then, sort out the disk and cooling issues.
[08:23] <Myros> Ok, thanks
[08:26] <Myros> Wait, how hot are my disk, i found only 39° on sdb and 35° on sdf
[08:26] <Myros> What did you found?
[08:29] <lordievader> 40C for a disk is quite hot. You want those to be around 20-30C.
[08:30] <tomreyn> Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 115 to 113
[08:31] <tomreyn> those can be raw values, hopefully are
[08:32] <tomreyn> your php installation also looks broken
[08:32] <tomreyn> mixed API versions on modules
[08:34] <Myros> Ok thanks
[09:13] <blackflow> tomreyn: those are normalized values. smartd logs normalized values changes.
[09:18] <tomreyn> blackflow: unless it states differently, i'd expect them to be normalized, too. but then there is sometimes incorrect data in smart's db. and while we don't know how these hdds are installed, it is surprising that smartd reports temperatures around 40 °C for some and > 100 °C for others.
[09:18] <tomreyn> either way, needs investigation
[09:22] <blackflow> depends how the vendor is encoding the normalized value, but smartd will always logged normalized values.
[09:22] <blackflow> *log
[10:59] <ahasenack> good morning
[14:27] <kstenerud> Did something just break on cosmic-security?
[14:27] <kstenerud> E: Type 'cosmic-security' is not known on line 50 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:27] <kstenerud> this just started happening on new lcd containers 2 minutes ago
[14:27] <kstenerud> lxd
[14:30] <kstenerud> ... and now it works again :/
[14:31] <Ussat> gremlins
[14:31] <genii> Probably hit the server while it was being updated
[14:35] <evit> Howdy yall
[14:36] <evit> Does anyone know why the Ubuntu security notice website and announce list sometimes lag behind the actual patches?
[14:39] <tomreyn> sending a lot of e-mails probably takes hours
[14:42] <evit> tomreyn, It must take like a whole day for those 0's and 1's to crawl through all the cables of the Interwebs.... =P
[14:44] <sdeziel> evit: another possibility is to that some time is given for external mirrors to pull the new packages
[14:44] <evit> I'm speakin of https://usn.ubuntu.com/
[14:45] <evit> Not showing updates until the day AFTER they are released some times
[14:45] <evit> The day AFTER the announce list email goes out
[14:45] <sdeziel> evit: I'd ask on #ubuntu-hardened
[14:47] <evit> Just seems odd... Some of those vuln are no joke, seems like the site and annouce list should be updated immediately
[14:49] <evit> gracias!
[16:33] <coreycb> jamespage: for py3 openstack dependencies, should we go ahead and drop all py2 packages from deps that swift doesn't depend on?
[16:49] <Deihmos> anyone use powernap on their server
[16:53] <coreycb> jamespage: it only depends on a few projects like python-keystone* but it might get to be a tangled mess
[17:04] <coreycb> jamespage: btw i let bileto do all my dep 8 tests and it took longer but it is really nice to just land into -updates!
[17:05] <coreycb> actually -release, but same idea, not -proposed
[17:10] <coreycb> jamespage: anyway basically done with stein snapshots on my end
[22:48] <zzlatev_> Hi
[22:48] <zzlatev_> I need some help
[22:49] <tomreyn> !ask | zzlatev_
[22:49] <zzlatev_> I compiled nginx from source, but now i have two versions
[22:49] <zzlatev_> how can I use the new one?
[22:50] <SimonNL> zzlatev_: good luck
[22:50] <zzlatev_> thanx
[22:56] <tomreyn> uninstall the packaged one, and (maybe, to be considered) follow the instructions on the INSTALL file (if it exists) or README file to make it usable.
[22:57] <zzlatev_> tomreyn:
[22:57] <tomreyn> a better option may be to use the ubuntu packaged nginx pakcages, or their source packages, and patch + build those.
[22:58] <zzlatev_> i use the official source
[23:03] <tomreyn> so?
[23:05] <zzlatev_> Hi guys
[23:06] <zzlatev_> I have installed webmin but there's nothing on port 10000
[23:06] <zzlatev_> can you hel me
[23:06] <sarnold> you can use sudo netstat -tlnp to find the listening port
[23:06] <sarnold> be careful with webmin
[23:06] <sarnold> historically they've had crap code
[23:07] <sarnold> loads of remote vulnerabilities.. so be sure to restrict access to it to only the machine you want to use to admin it
[23:08] <tomreyn> such as localhost
[23:08] <zzlatev_> sarnold: yes, I have bad experience with it
[23:08] <zzlatev_> but now i need it because of nginx and stalker portal
[23:10] <zzlatev_> sarnold: can you help me with nginx?
[23:10] <zzlatev_> I have two of them now
[23:10] <sarnold> zzlatev_: you'll have to be a lot more specific
[23:10] <zzlatev_> OK
[23:10] <sarnold> why do you have two? what are youtrying to accomplish? etc
[23:11] <zzlatev_> I want to install new version of nginx for example - 1.15
[23:11] <zzlatev_> the only option for that is to compiled from source
[23:13] <zzlatev_> I did this and now I have two nginx - one from source and one from ppa
[23:15] <zzlatev_> sarnold:
[23:15] <zzlatev_> that's it
[23:15] <sarnold> hah, I kept waiting for some kind of question, or problem you're having, etc :)
[23:16] <sarnold> what's your goal? do you want to remove the one we've packaged for you?
[23:16] <sarnold> or do you just want to know how to run them both simultaneously?
[23:17] <zzlatev_> I want to run the new version
[23:17] <zzlatev_> because I need it for my stalker portal
[23:17] <zzlatev_> that's it
[23:17] <zzlatev_> now I have two versions
[23:20] <zzlatev_> sarnold:
[23:22] <sarnold> zzlatev_: I don't know how you installed your new version
[23:23] <sarnold> zzlatev_: you're the one who's going to know how to use it :)
[23:24] <zzlatev_> I ask about how to remove the old one...
[23:26] <sarnold> aha!
[23:26] <sarnold> apt-get purge nginx
[23:27] <teward> i see nginx referenced  heh
[23:28] <zzlatev_> sarnold: does this command erase all nginx?
[23:28] <zzlatev_> ok, i don't need to erase anything
[23:28] <zzlatev_> i need to use the new version
[23:28] <zzlatev_> can you help me guys?
[23:28] <teward> zzlatev_: it'll erase the NGINX that was installed by the package
[23:28] <sarnold> hey teward
[23:28] <teward> the package itself will only utilize its own version, because of how the SystemD unit is configured
[23:28] <sarnold> zzlatev_: apt-get purge nginx will only remove the version that we packaged
[23:28] <teward> i should PROBABLY mention...
[23:29] <teward> that I also provide a 1.15.x PPA that is very close to what we have in Ubuntu in terms of package structure
[23:29] <teward> so no need to manually compile from source ;)
[23:29] <teward> we just don't advertise PPAs here typically
[23:29] <zzlatev_> ok, that sounds good
[23:29] <teward> !ppa
[23:29] <teward> because that ^
[23:29] <zzlatev_> teward: do you mean that 1.15 is in PPA?
[23:30] <tomreyn> https://launchpad.net/~nginx/+archive/ubuntu/development
[23:30] <teward> Yes, there is a PPA that contains 1.15 and can be installed like the Ubuntu repositories' version is.
[23:30] <teward> https://launchpad.net/~nginx/+archive/ubuntu/development  <-- yep this one
[23:32] <zzlatev_> come on...really
[23:32] <sarnold> zzlatev_: yeah :) teward's been taking good care of nginx for us for ages :)
[23:33] <teward> been doing this since 2014 :P
[23:33] <zzlatev_> but what about compiled
[23:34] <teward> i'm not sure what you did to install the compiled version
[23:34] <teward> but the by-hand compiling that you did will not be run unless you installed it WITHOUT the Ubuntu version of nginx installed
[23:35] <teward> because of reasons and conflicting configuration file(s) and versions, and incorrectly-configured SystemD units which handle autostart of nginx
[23:35] <zzlatev_> so if I install your version 1.15 from the repo it will replace the old one
[23:35] <teward> it will replace the one from the main Ubuntu repository that you used, yes.
[23:35] <zzlatev_> yes
[23:36] <zzlatev_> apt-get insttall nginx
[23:36] <zzlatev_> or nginx-dev
[23:36] <zzlatev_> ?
[23:36] <zzlatev_> from the repo
[23:36] <teward> just apt-get install nginx
[23:36] <zzlatev_>  nginx-full
[23:36] <zzlatev_> The following packages will be upgraded:
[23:36] <zzlatev_>   nginx nginx-common
[23:36] <zzlatev_> 2 upgraded, 11 newly installed, 1 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[23:37] <zzlatev_> 955 kB of additional disk space will be used.
[23:37] <zzlatev_> only 955kb?
[23:37] <teward> there's not much difference between what's in Ubuntu currently and what you're installing.  :P
[23:37] <teward> similar, but different.  :P
[23:37] <zzlatev_> i have installed 1.10 from ubuntu
[23:38] <zzlatev_> i don't know from what repo
[23:38] <teward> oops i accidentally burned food back in a moment
[23:38] <zzlatev_> which*
[23:38] <teward> zzlatev_: you installed the version that was in the Ubuntu repositories
[23:38] <zzlatev_> yes
[23:39] <zzlatev_> teward: come ooooooooon
[23:39] <zzlatev_> you are great!
[23:40] <zzlatev_> zlatev@Zlatev:~$ nginx -V
[23:40] <zzlatev_> nginx version: nginx/1.15.6


[05:44] <magespawn> Morning all
[06:00] <Kilos> morning all
[06:00] <magespawn> morning Kilos
[06:15] <Squirm> morning
[06:17] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[06:25] <Kilos> bbl morning superfly
[06:28] <superfly> morning Kilos
[06:28] <Kilos> aw we lost a buntu guy
[06:28] <Kilos> just saw in the list he says goodbye
[06:29] <magespawn> hi superfly
[06:30] <Squirm> I want to setup my fedora box as a gateway. I have p4p1 connected to the internet and p2p1 connected to the local network. any ideas?
[06:31] <magespawn> Kilos not sure I understand?
[06:31] <Kilos> he hates unity
[06:31] <Kilos> gone to mint
[06:31] <Kilos> thats sad
[06:35] <magespawn> not sure why people just do not install the desktop the want
[06:36] <Squirm> magespawn: not many people know they can
[06:36] <Kilos> if you havent got bandwidth to add ubuntu-desktop is another 148m data you have to find
[06:36] <Squirm> well, should I rather say. it doesn't cross peoples minds
[06:37] <Squirm> Kilos: but to install Mint is another 700mb
[06:37] <Squirm> (the cd version)
[06:37] <Kilos> like i have xubuntu on one drive  but data doesnt allow the move to gnome
[06:37] <magespawn> I do not mind unity, but i use it on one, kde on another and gnome on the old laptop
[06:39] <Kilos> Squirm, he doesnt like unity. dunno if data is his prob
[06:40] <Squirm> I preferred Gnome 2
[06:40] <Squirm> using gnome 3 now
[06:41] <Squirm> and a DE that I put together myself on my home pc
[06:41] <Squirm> pekwm, pcmanfm, tint2
[06:42] <superfly> hi magespawn
[06:42] <Kilos> i just dont like the idea of losing peeps from ubuntu
[06:43] <magespawn> as long as they do not go to windows, i might have to track them down if they do that
[06:43] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[06:43] <superfly> Squirm: p4p1 and p2p1? what's that?
[06:44] <Squirm> the names on the nic's
[06:45] <superfly> instead of eth0 and eth1 ?
[06:45] <Squirm> idk, fedora seems to have changed from eth0 to p4p1 and eth1 to p2p1
[06:45] <Squirm> yep
[06:45] <superfly> oh, ok
[06:45] <magespawn> Space flights if you have 200 000 dollars no launch date http://gadget.tech.howzit.msn.com/pebble.asp?relid=4558&p=4&Virgin%20Galactic%20coming%20to%20SA
[06:45]  * Squirm shrugs
[06:45] <superfly> Squirm: do you have an ADSL router?
[06:46] <Squirm> that fedora box has a static IP
[06:47] <superfly> OK
[06:47] <superfly> Squirm: well, just install one of the firewall packages, and then set up DHCP
[06:49] <Squirm> DHCP is already setup on another machine
[06:49] <Squirm> s/machine/server
[06:49] <superfly> -_-
[06:50] <Kilos> later
[06:50] <Squirm> bye Kilos
[06:50] <Squirm> :P
[06:50] <Squirm> superfly: it's at work
[06:51] <Squirm> we're running a squid proxy(so we can limit and monitor users). but devices like Android phones and stuff, aren't able to work with squid authentication
[06:51] <superfly> Squirm: where's your DNS server?
[06:52] <Squirm> so what we want to do, is setup a default gateway for certain devices(certain phones, tablets, etc) until we find a more definitive solution
[06:52] <Squirm> with the dhcp server, we're able to manually set the gateway of select devices
[06:53] <Squirm> chosen a randome gateway address
[06:53] <superfly> restricting internet is stupid.
[06:53] <Squirm> superfly: not when you have 700 odd users who have access to a 4mb line
[06:53] <superfly> that's also stupid
[06:56] <Squirm> I work at a school
[06:56] <Squirm> :P
[06:57] <Squirm> my old high school actually
[06:57] <superfly> dansguardian
[06:57] <Squirm> and to set up quota's?
[07:07] <magespawn> Squirm do quota's manage the cap or the amount of bandwidth?
[07:08] <magespawn> something like a load balancer?
[07:14] <Squirm> magespawn: we use a script called squish. it checks the squid logs to see how much the user has used and caps them if they have exceeded their allowed bandwidth
[07:15] <Squirm> well, it writes their usernames to file, which squid then denies access to users in that file
[07:15] <Squirm> and it works well
[07:15] <magespawn> i see that is pretty neat, is there a way to control the amount of line they use at once?
[07:16] <Squirm> I think squid can do that
[07:16] <Squirm> haven't used the feature though
[07:17] <Squirm> http://knowlinux.blogspot.com/2006/04/bandwidth-throttling-using-squid.html
[07:17] <Squirm> magespawn: something like that
[07:21] <magespawn> good to know, was thinking of setting up a wug/wifi here in hluhluwe and some ppl want internet access as well but need a way to control how much each uses. do not bit torrent ppl to hog the network
[07:22] <magespawn> want^
[07:26] <Squirm> wow, you're up theeeere
[07:27] <Squirm> have a friend who lives in mtuba
[07:33] <magespawn> yup there are people who live here, not many
[07:34] <magespawn> had to explain to sahara pc where i am,  and why my account is not that busy
[07:35] <Squirm> lol
[07:35] <Squirm> don't worry, I live 2 hours drive from Sahara
[07:35] <Squirm> :P
[07:35] <Squirm> although, you're probably 3?
[07:37] <magespawn> from Durban yup.
[07:41] <Squirm> yeah
[07:41] <Squirm> I'm about 1.5 hours nows, along the N3
[07:41] <Squirm> lovely Mooi RIver :/
[07:42] <magespawn> thats just around the corner, almost
[07:43] <Squirm> still a few hours
[07:43] <Squirm> was actually in Zinkwazi last week
[07:46] <magespawn> and?
[07:47] <magespawn> did you like it?
[08:23] <Squirm> yeah. I have a friend that lives there
[08:23] <Squirm> been there many times
[10:29] <magespawn> sorry shop got busy
[12:31] <zeref> o0o0
[12:32] <zeref> anybody running ubuntu 12.04?
[12:43] <AlphaGuyy> Good Aftrnoon
[12:52] <zeref> hi AlphaGuyy
[12:52] <AlphaGuyy> Hey. I have a question
[12:53] <AlphaGuyy> Is it posible to partition a drv without formatn
[12:54] <zeref> yes
[12:54] <AlphaGuyy> Im using 9.04 live cd
[12:55] <zeref> yep
[12:56] <AlphaGuyy> How do i do it
[12:56] <AlphaGuyy> Without losing xsisting data
[12:57] <superfly> surely one of the *parted tools should be able to do so
[12:58] <AlphaGuyy> Im usn partition editor
[13:00] <zeref> ummmm
[13:00] <zeref> wait one
[13:02] <zeref> right click on the drive you want to partition
[13:02] <zeref> new
[13:02] <zeref> then choose the size etc that you want
[13:07] <AlphaGuyy> The options are greyd.
[13:08] <AlphaGuyy> Drv is ntfs 40gigs unused.
[13:10] <AlphaGuyy> Brb
[13:15] <zeref> umm, unmount that drive
[13:32] <AlphaGuyy> Ok. Then resize.
[13:32] <AlphaGuyy> Wil this affect the data.
[13:33] <zeref> nope, but you said that the 40GB was unused?
[13:33] <Owkkuri> AlphaGuyy: just note, resizing a drive takes *forever*
[13:36] <AlphaGuyy> Its an 80gig. Wth 35.gig usd.
[13:57] <AlphaGuyy> Forever undrstatement
[14:00] <zeref> lol
[14:02] <AlphaGuyy> Move /dev/sda1 to the right and shrink it from 74.56gib to 45.19gib
[14:07] <zeref> whats left should be empty. then you resize that.
[14:07] <zeref> before you apply the chnages look at the preview bar on how it will look
[14:52] <nic0m> hi
[14:53] <zeref> herro
[14:55] <nic0m> hi
[14:57] <ghostknife> hallo
[14:57] <nic0m> Thanks for your help now I can xchat here
[14:57] <nic0m> will this work on my micotik
[14:59] <nic0m> bibi
[15:26]  * nuvolari gluur vir ghostknife
[15:26] <nuvolari> pfft, ek word mos geignoreer soos 'n oranje verkeerslig :P
[16:12] <Banlam> what was wrong with nic0m's xchat in the end?
[16:14] <nlsthzn> open proxy
[16:41] <zeref> hmmm
[17:26] <superfly> .
[17:27] <nlsthzn> ..
[17:36] <Kilos> lo superfly and night shift nlsthzn and others too of course
[17:36] <nlsthzn> :) Hi uncle Ki
[17:37] <nlsthzn> :) Hi uncle Kilos
[17:37] <nlsthzn> :/
[17:37] <Kilos> lol
[17:37] <superfly> hi Kilos
[17:37] <Kilos> sick tab button?
[17:37] <nlsthzn> nah two nicks starting with ki
[17:38] <Kilos> any news on whether nicom god his router sourted?
[17:38] <Kilos> wow nlsthzn whats the other one
[17:38] <Kilos> *got
[17:38] <Kilos> *sorted
[17:38] <Kilos> whew
[17:38] <MeepZA> hi Kilos
[17:38] <Kilos> hey MeepZA
[17:39] <nlsthzn> Kirill_Rus <- Kilos
[17:39] <Kilos> ah the russian
[17:39] <Kilos> shoulda got me first though
[17:40] <nlsthzn> when you tab with two or more it just gives me a list...
[17:40] <nlsthzn> then I should continue to add letters until unique
[17:41] <Kilos> lol kil
[17:41] <Kilos> i always use 3
[17:42] <Kilos> hi drussell all good there?
[17:43] <Kilos> wb dLimit
[17:44] <nlsthzn> bbl
[17:54] <drussell> Kilos: yes, was having a bit of a bad day but someone's cheered me up so I'm spreading the amusement... http://textsfromdog.tumblr.com
[17:54] <drussell> enjoy :o)
[17:54] <Kilos> lol
[17:54] <kbmonkey> heloo o/
[17:55] <Kilos> hiya the kbmonkey
[17:57] <Kilos> kbmonkey, what is this http://www.facebook.com/l/KAQHbMmh_/www.google.com/onceuponatime/tisp/
[17:57] <zeref> gnome-shell, why you no wana load on ubuntu 12.04
[17:57] <zeref> :-(
[17:57] <Kilos> free mobile broadband. how they gonna get past voda and friends
[17:58] <Kilos> aw zeref what happened
[17:58] <kbmonkey> can't say kilos, not a fb'er
[17:58] <MeepZA> zeref: I can't get it to load on 11.10 since adding a second monitor
[17:59] <Kilos> aw i forget it goes via fb from afrodeity
[17:59] <kbmonkey> what's potting?
[17:59]  * superfly is still living blissfully in KDE land
[17:59] <Kilos> lol
[17:59] <Kilos> was waiting for that
[18:00] <kbmonkey> you still have that KDE layout superfly?
[18:00] <kbmonkey> It is a good one
[18:01] <superfly> kbmonkey: which one?
[18:01] <zeref> so MeepZA, u using unity??
[18:01] <Kilos> http://www.google.com/onceuponatime/tisp/install.html
[18:02] <zeref> there was a suggestion to remove all unity files including any config files
[18:02] <kbmonkey> KDE made to resemble unity layout
[18:02] <MeepZA> zeref: can't stand unity
[18:02] <kbmonkey> or was that someone else who did that?
[18:02] <MeepZA> using gnome fallback
[18:02] <kbmonkey> still loving Openbox <3
[18:03] <Kilos> kbmonkey, you still uncapped there?
[18:03] <zeref> gnome fallback is meh compared to gnome 2.3
[18:03] <kbmonkey> no Kilos :(
[18:04] <zeref> looks like i'll be scouting the WM world
[18:04] <kbmonkey> i cut my dsl off when i went to CT
[18:04] <Kilos> ok we get someone else to look at the tisp link above
[18:04] <Kilos> maybe google has a plan
[18:05] <Kilos> something to do with google groups or something. there is even a youtube link according to maaz
[18:05] <kbmonkey> zeref, one can even use Compiz standalone for a WM :)
[18:06] <kbmonkey> why do you want to know about it Kilos ?
[18:06] <Kilos> in the mail it said free mobile broadband
[18:06] <kbmonkey> oooh
[18:07] <kbmonkey> hahaha oh that. yes I remember that. a new google product for freee broadband
[18:08] <Kilos> is it just a gimick
[18:08] <zeref> meh, was hell last night try to set compiz right with unity
[18:08] <Kilos> scam
[18:08] <kbmonkey> not a scam, a google april fools prank
[18:09] <kbmonkey> from the year before iirc
[18:09] <Kilos> geez its the 20th already
[18:09] <kbmonkey> they have such great pranks those guys
[18:09] <Kilos> swines
[18:09] <kbmonkey> no you wouldn't use unity zeref, just compiz
[18:09] <kbmonkey> why use both?
[18:11] <zeref> compiz is integrated into unity
[18:12] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[18:12] <kbmonkey> http://www.compiz.org/ says it can also be used as a window manager
[18:12] <kbmonkey> so you wouldn't need unity, gnome or kde
[18:12] <MeepZA> I need to set up xmoand properly
[18:12] <magespawn> Hi Kilos and company
[18:12] <kbmonkey> hi magespawn
[18:13] <magespawn> Whats up tonight?
[18:13] <zeref> kbmonkey: hmmm
[18:13] <Kilos> nothing apart from unity gripes
[18:14] <kbmonkey> lol!
[18:15] <zeref> hmmm, since the updates unity is quicker now
[18:15] <magespawn> Does take some getting used to, but the linux desktops in general can alsmost anything you want.
[18:15] <zeref> but still want to have a look at gnome-shell
[18:16] <Kilos> min dae to 12.04 hey
[18:18] <Kilos> kbmonkey, hows things with you laddy?
[18:18] <Kilos> any success
[18:19] <kbmonkey> yes kilos, i got some work
[18:20] <Kilos> happy to hear that
[18:20] <Kilos> good for you
[18:20] <kbmonkey> implementing a new big system.
[18:20] <Kilos> great
[18:20] <Kilos> all windows?
[18:20] <Kilos> eish
[18:20] <kbmonkey> it will be in windows platform sadly
[18:20]  * kbmonkey cringes
[18:20] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[18:20] <Kilos> eina
[18:20] <kbmonkey> but hey its work ;D
[18:20] <Kilos> win7
[18:21] <Kilos> yeah
[18:21] <kbmonkey> probably SBS 2011
[18:21] <kbmonkey> windows small business server
[18:22] <Kilos> ah
[18:22] <Kilos> here another free
[18:22] <Kilos> http://www.getfree.co.za/Free-ADSL-Internet/
[18:22] <kbmonkey> i'm wondering if I draw up a technical spec and pitch for non-windows, he he
[18:23] <kbmonkey> i'm always skeptical, nothing is free.
[18:23] <Kilos> if you can show them the advantages of no virus threats etc it might work kbmonkey
[18:23] <Kilos> hi psydroid
[18:23] <superfly> kbmonkey: no, that was me
[18:23] <Kilos> yeah even ubuntu
[18:23] <superfly> I'm getting irritated by it
[18:24] <kbmonkey> is that free dsl for real? :/
[18:24] <kbmonkey> ooh gotta run, taxi is here
[18:25] <kbmonkey> ciao folks :]
[18:25] <Kilos> toods kbmonkey
[18:25] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:29] <inetpro> good evenin
[18:30] <Kilos> yo inetpro
[18:30]  * inetpro gives up reading the backlogs
[18:31] <inetpro> you guys talk to much
[18:31] <Kilos> ha ha too much for old peeps
[18:31] <inetpro> Kilos: did I miss something?
[18:31] <Kilos> inetpro, you cant get this hey http://www.getfree.co.za/Free-ADSL-Internet/
[18:31] <magespawn> Hey lots of peeps awake and here, cool.
[18:32] <inetpro> Kilos: no lines here
[18:32] <Kilos> only unity gripes inetpro
[18:32] <Kilos> sigh
[18:32] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:32]  * inetpro can't wait for the release
[18:33] <magespawn> Whats this about free adsl?
[18:33] <Kilos> you like unity hey?
[18:33] <inetpro> will be back on kubuntu in full force again
[18:33] <Kilos> was inna mail here magespawn
[18:33] <Kilos> ha ha
[18:33] <magespawn> For real?
[18:34] <Kilos> go look what they say tomorrow mage
[18:34] <Kilos> save the link
[18:34] <inetpro> I've been on Kubuntu 12.04 since beta2
[18:34] <inetpro> at the office
[18:34] <inetpro> so far been very good
[18:34] <zeref> Kilos: u using 12.04?
[18:34] <Kilos> no zeref maverick
[18:35] <Kilos> 10.10
[18:35] <inetpro> only one week to go
[18:35] <Kilos> tried xubuntu 11.04 but not good for me
[18:35] <zeref> 12.04 is pretty stable i must say ( for a beta)
[18:35] <magespawn> I am missing something here, obviously, but what?
[18:36] <Kilos> what now magespawn ?
[18:36] <magespawn> The free adsl.
[18:37] <Kilos> oh i dunno if anyone has gone to see it yet
[18:38] <Kilos> would be good for you hey magespawn
[18:38] <inetpro> oh and I'm sold out to Dropbox
[18:38] <magespawn> Would be good for most I imagine.
[18:38] <Kilos> oh my
[18:39] <inetpro> Dropbox = simplicity
[18:39] <Kilos> hi fukov
[18:39] <Kilos> strange nick
[18:39] <inetpro> eish!
[18:39] <fukov> hi Kilos !
[18:40] <inetpro> Kilos: vir wat bring jy al die nederlanders hiernatoe?
[18:40] <zeref> hmmm
[18:40] <fukov> http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0078683/
[18:40] <Kilos> inetpro, still with updates all the time like ubuntu?
[18:40] <fukov> lol
[18:40] <zeref> that free adsl looks dodge
[18:41] <magespawn> Very badly written.
[18:41] <fukov> inetpro: ah is daar dan meer nederlanders hier?
[18:41] <Kilos> ya psydroid
[18:41] <fukov> ah cool
[18:41] <inetpro> hier was die afgelope tyd 'n paar nederlanders in en uit
[18:42] <fukov> wel daar is soveel nederlanders wat in .za kom vakansie hou dis ook geen verbasing
[18:42] <Kilos> we are attracting peeps from all over
[18:42] <fukov> irc = internationaal ;)
[18:42] <Kilos> fukov, waar is jy nou?
[18:43] <fukov> fukov: oos-nederland (hengelo)
[18:43] <fukov> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hengelo
[18:43] <Kilos> dis n lelike nick
[18:43] <fukov> nee dis 'n spotnaam vir 'n rus
[18:43] <magespawn> Only for us
[18:43] <Kilos> welkom by ubuntu-za
[18:44] <fukov> dankie!
[18:44] <magespawn> You should here the dutch say backside
[18:44] <magespawn> Hear
[18:44] <Kilos> ya but we have ladies here
[18:44] <inetpro> that nick is so bad that I don't even want to type it
[18:44] <fukov> magespawn: agterkant? don't see what is so bad about that
[18:44] <Kilos> hehe
[18:45] <nuvolari> tut-tooot!
[18:45] <fukov> magespawn: correction, achterkant
[18:45] <Kilos> nuvolari, yoohooo
[18:45] <nuvolari> o/ hi oom Kilos
[18:45] <Kilos> afrikaans is agterkant
[18:45] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[18:46] <psydroid> hi nuvolari
[18:46] <psydroid> hi magespawn
[18:46] <nuvolari> lo psydroid, fukov
[18:46] <Kilos> yo psydroid one of your countrymen is here
[18:46] <nuvolari> lo magespawn, inetpro
[18:46] <fukov> hi nuvolari !
[18:46] <psydroid> hi inetpro
[18:46] <psydroid> Kilos, who's that?
[18:46] <nuvolari> anyone following the Oracle vs. Google case?
[18:46] <psydroid> hi fukov
[18:47] <Kilos> the one with the ugly nick
[18:47] <fukov> hi psydroid
[18:47] <fukov> how is my nick "ugly", it's russian
[18:47] <fukov> except if you think all the russians are ugly
[18:47] <psydroid> oh
[18:47] <Kilos> lol yeah but it sounds bad in our languages
[18:47] <psydroid> yeah
[18:48] <fukov> ah that's interesting, how does it sound?
[18:48] <Kilos> cant tell you here
[18:48] <fukov> no problem
[18:48] <Kilos> kinda like go away
[18:48] <psydroid> I thought nuvolari was telling me something ...
[18:48] <fukov> very interesting
[18:48] <psydroid> that I should do ...
[18:48] <Kilos> in harsh language
[18:49] <psydroid> but then I saw the nick and it made sense
[18:49] <Kilos> what does it mean in russian fukov
[18:50] <fukov> Kilos: nothing, it's just a name actually
[18:50] <Kilos> ah
[18:50] <Kilos> magespawn, wb
[18:51] <Kilos> fukov, what do you do?
[18:51] <Kilos> psydroid, hows things going with job hunting
[18:52] <fukov> Kilos: i work in ICT
[18:53] <psydroid> Kilos, it's still progressing, I've sent out a few more applications but I'm also working a bit on my programming skills
[18:53] <Kilos> thats nice fukov
[18:53] <Kilos> psydroid, maybe fukov has some contacts for you
[18:53] <Kilos> i dunno how far from each other you are
[18:54] <fukov> it's the netherlands so even if we live across the country from each other, it's not that far ;)
[18:54] <Kilos> lol you onna little island inna big dam hey
[18:55] <fukov> yes indeed, a large part of the country is beneath ocean level, with an artificially controlled water table
[18:55] <fukov> that's not the case where i live though, i live practically right on the german border
[18:56] <Kilos> actually amazing what people can do
[18:56] <psydroid> Kilos, I may not be qualified enough, I don't know too much about web programming either
[18:56] <psydroid> I live in the west of the country
[18:56] <Kilos> psydroid, then dont stop studying as well
[18:57]  * inetpro feels like going outside and screaming out that nickname
[18:57] <Kilos> inetpro, say foooo
[18:57] <psydroid> Kilos, yes, that's what I'm doing
[18:57] <inetpro> neighbours are at it again
[18:57] <Kilos> methinks its how we pronounce it sounds bad
[18:57] <Kilos> lol oh my
[18:57] <inetpro> playing such loud music that my walls are vibrating
[18:58] <Kilos> inetpro, make prearranged plans to control their power
[18:58] <inetpro> Kilos: now that sounds like a good idea
[18:58] <magespawn> But you do not live next door to me.
[18:58] <Kilos> where theres a will theres a way
[18:59] <Kilos> lol @mage
[18:59] <inetpro> magespawn: please don't do it
[18:59] <fukov> inetpro: you could say "foooo" like this guy: http://wiki.bakakage.net/Hard_Gay#Foo.3F
[19:00] <inetpro> it's the most irritating thing you can do to your neigbours
[19:00] <magespawn> I have no neighbours
[19:00] <inetpro> in that case it can't be you
[19:00] <Kilos> inetpro, most young peeps like loud music
[19:01] <Kilos> and party types
[19:01] <Kilos> and those trying to act young
[19:02] <zeref> loud music FTW
[19:03] <fukov> the best way to say "foooo" http://fooooo.com/w/2454abb8ea09fd666e00423da2766a2d
[19:04] <Kilos> psydroid, have a look at studying networking as well. seems to be a big payer
[19:05] <Kilos> once you have experience to back it up with of course
[19:05] <psydroid> Kilos, what does networking mean?
[19:05] <psydroid> cisco routers and the likes?
[19:05] <Kilos> inetpro, tell him what andrew does
[19:05] <zeref> psydroid: trolling?
[19:06] <Kilos> psydroid, installing and maintaining servers etc i think
[19:07] <psydroid> zeref, no, I know sys admin stuff in small environments, but I am not into all the largescale cisco stuff or business environments with hundreds or thousands of systems
[19:07] <inetpro> hmm... I guess it's more in the line of computer networks, routers, switches and the likes
[19:07] <Kilos> Symmetria, tell psydroid what networking involves
[19:08] <psydroid> yeah, that's what I thought
[19:08] <inetpro> but he could be a sys admin as well
[19:08] <Kilos> networking here is connecting two pcs with bluetooth
[19:09] <Kilos> thats my limit
[19:09] <zeref> networking: communication between computers
[19:09] <inetpro> Kilos: networking could mean many things, including social networking
[19:09] <psydroid> oh, I know how to set up servers and desktops
[19:10] <zeref> i'm also learnig about routers and the like
[19:10] <psydroid> that's what I've been doing for 10 years or so, but I am not certified for anything
[19:10] <zeref> CCNA?
[19:10] <Kilos> fukov, how did you get to ubuntu-za
[19:10] <psydroid> yeah, I would like to
[19:11] <zeref> thats what i'm doing now
[19:11] <inetpro> certification means nothing
[19:11] <Kilos> lotsa exams to write psydroid
[19:11] <psydroid> no, not that kind of networking
[19:11] <zeref> ??
[19:11] <psydroid> Kilos, I figure
[19:12] <psydroid> just simple server stuff is what I've done
[19:12] <Kilos> thats why you were interested in LPI hey?
[19:12] <nuvolari> I think Oracle is loosing grips on the case
[19:12] <psydroid> Linux/Windows and the likes
[19:12] <psydroid> yes, Kilos
[19:12] <Kilos> we will get back to it as soon as everyone settles down
[19:12] <inetpro> nuvolari: I hope so
[19:13] <Kilos> been a tough year for many
[19:13] <nuvolari> from the little I've read today, it seems that Oracle is not prepared for their own case
[19:13] <zeref> psydroid: work through the CCNA's
[19:13] <magespawn> inetpro certification is for other people so they can get a handle on what computer people do
[19:13] <zeref> teaches how to configure routers etc
[19:13] <inetpro> nuvolari: these kind of cases tend to drag on for a very long time
[19:14] <nuvolari> inetpro: are you following groklaw?
[19:14] <nuvolari> ye, unfortunately so
[19:14] <psydroid> I just need to know where we are supposed to be with the LPI stuff, so I can catch up in the meantime, Kilos
[19:14] <inetpro> nuvolari: when I have time I enjoy reading it, but I have not had the time this week
[19:14] <psydroid> zeref, I will do that, thanks
[19:15] <nuvolari> inetpro: heh, this is the first time I'm actually attempting to follow something. I've just noticed that on several occasions the judge asked Oracle to get their stuff together :P
[19:15] <nuvolari> and this one line cought my eye: Judge Alsup: Accounting of minutes used so far: Oracle: 131; Google: 62.
[19:15] <Kilos> psydroid, not very far i think
[19:15] <zeref> psydroid: there is program called packettracer, it allows you to setup a networks, routers hubs swicthes etc
[19:15] <magespawn> What are the bones of the case?
[19:16] <zeref> its pretty cool
[19:16] <inetpro> nuvolari: interesting
[19:16] <psydroid> zeref, cool, I will look out for it
[19:16] <superfly> magespawn: patents, most likely Java
[19:16] <magespawn> Oh right
[19:16] <nuvolari> "Another interesting detail: when Oracle's lawyer, David Boies, handed him one exhibit, seeking to get Larry Page to authenticate it, which is a requirement before an exhibit can be introduced as evidence, Page instead pointed out that the page numbering was off, with two different sets of numbers. Hmm"
[19:17]  * inetpro hates patents
[19:18]  * nuvolari seconds that
[19:18] <magespawn> How can you patent software?
[19:18] <Kilos> psydroid, SECTION 101 AND 102
[19:19] <nuvolari> magespawn: they try to, but IMO it's madness
[19:19] <inetpro> patents have put a massive damper on innovation
[19:20] <Kilos> BUT WE DIDNT DISCUSS THEM MUCH
[19:20] <nuvolari> if they want to patent software, they might as well patent the alphabet and discontinue education
[19:20] <magespawn> Yup but not only that two people removed from each other could independantly write identical code
[19:20] <Kilos> sorry for caps
[19:20] <psydroid> Kilos, thanks, I'll read them
[19:20] <inetpro> Kilos: for a moment you sounded very serious there
[19:20] <nuvolari> magespawn: exactly. That's the sad part about proprietary stuff
[19:20] <magespawn> Or writing, since the words have been used before
[19:21] <Kilos> inetpro, ?
[19:21] <Kilos> oh lol
[19:21] <Kilos> rofl
[19:21] <inetpro> Kilos: the caps :-)
[19:21] <Kilos> was a typo man
[19:21] <psydroid> :)
[19:21] <Kilos> missed the shift kinda and hit caps lock
[19:21]  * nuvolari sees oom Kilos getting out his melee and war paint
[19:21] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[19:22] <nuvolari> see oom Kilos, that's why I use my caps lock for the compose key
[19:22] <nuvolari> then it never happens
[19:22] <Kilos> ya but then how do you make caps
[19:22] <nuvolari> Kilos: For Normal Words?
[19:22] <Kilos> i need caps in mails
[19:23] <inetpro> nuvolari: sounds like a good idea but after all these years I would not get used to that
[19:23] <Kilos> ja
[19:23] <nuvolari> Why Would You Want To Write In All-Caps?
[19:23] <Kilos> oh ya
[19:23] <Kilos> hmmm dunno
[19:23] <Kilos> what is the caps lock used for them
[19:23] <superfly> KILOS NEEDS TO WRITE IN CALL CAPITAL LETTERS SO THAT PEOPLE WILL LISTEN TO HIM
[19:23] <superfly> :-P
[19:24] <Kilos> shift makes individual letters caps
[19:24] <nuvolari> you can use the shift key :P
[19:24]  * superfly hasn't used the caps lock key in years
[19:24] <inetpro> superfly: yikes!
[19:24] <Kilos> hmmm
[19:24] <superfly> inetpro: see? I got your attention :-P
[19:24]  * Kilos thinks of a wiity reply to the fly
[19:24] <nuvolari> I understand some people assign it as another Ctrl key
[19:24] <magespawn> IT DOES WORK
[19:25] <inetpro> superfly: wb
[19:25] <magespawn> ha
[19:25] <Kilos> dunno if caps lock works here. peeps just say I'm not deaf, I'm just ignoring you
[19:26] <Kilos> buncha lurkers
[19:26] <magespawn> Ll
[19:26] <magespawn> Lol
[19:26] <Kilos> superfly, you always listen to me
[19:27] <Kilos> whether it stay inside or goes right through is another matter
[19:27] <Kilos> i better go sleep now
[19:28] <nuvolari> "Judge Alsup: [TX 431 is thrown out, no foundation. Will be able to bring back this witness once it is in evidence through foundation. ]"
[19:28] <Kilos> night guys ty for a fun evening
[19:28] <nuvolari> night oom Kilos
[19:28] <Kilos> night superfly
[19:28] <nuvolari> sleep tight!
[19:28]  * inetpro wonders how cocooncrash is doing
[19:28] <Kilos> nag nuvolari
[19:28] <inetpro> night Kilos
[19:28] <Kilos> see you all tomorrow
[19:28] <fukov> Kilos: sorry just got back, was busy doing the dishes
[19:28] <fukov> Kilos: i used to live in south africa for quite some time so it's only natural ;)
[19:28] <Kilos> fukov, np
[19:29] <inetpro> Maaz: seen cocooncrash
[19:29] <Maaz> inetpro: cocooncrash was last seen 23 days, 1 hour, 14 minutes and 15 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2012-03-28 11:14:44 PDT], and has been online on atrum since 2012-04-20 09:48:30 PDT
[19:29] <Kilos> ah that explains it them
[19:29] <fukov> Kilos: a lot of people in this region spent some time in south africa actually
[19:29] <Kilos> but psydroid was never here
[19:29] <magespawn> Night Kilos
[19:29] <Kilos> fukov, do you use ubuntu?
[19:30] <fukov> Kilos: yup on ubuntu right now
[19:30] <Kilos> great. ok then night guys
[19:31] <fukov> psydroid: if you don't mind me asking, why do you hang out in this # ?
[19:32] <inetpro> fukov: ek dink hy wil die taal leer en vir ons kom kuier
[19:33] <psydroid> fukov, I accidentally came here because a friend was looking for people to speak Afrikaans with
[19:34] <psydroid> and then I got to know people and then I added this channel to my autojoin list
[19:38] <inetpro> psydroid: so what do you do for a living?
[19:39] <psydroid> inetpro, I was supposed to be studying, but I had to quit last month for financial reasons
[19:39] <psydroid> right now I'm jobless
[19:39] <inetpro> hmm... sad to hear that
[19:41] <psydroid> yeah, I've been trying to find something for months
[19:42] <psydroid> but it didn't work out
[19:42] <inetpro> what did you study?
[19:42] <psydroid> but I am positive I will find a job, if I have the right knowledge
[19:42] <psydroid> applied physics and computer engineering
[19:43] <inetpro> sounds interesting
[19:43] <psydroid> and I'm pretty good at languages
[19:44] <psydroid> but there doesn't seem to be much for people like me at ordinary employment agencies, so I keep searching and working on my skills
[19:45] <inetpro> when I started looking for my first job I pretty much had my sights up way to high
[19:46] <inetpro> I ended up starting as a lowly clerk in an office job before moving up the ranks
[19:47] <nuvolari> I wonder why Google never bought Sun?
[19:48] <psydroid> I used to have that too, but they don't even seem to have that kind of job for me, because at least here people are specifically educated for those kinds of jobs
[19:48] <inetpro> nuvolari: that may have been a good move at the time, but I think it would have been the wrong move
[19:48] <psydroid> even for call centre jobs they ask for experience in the field and things like that
[19:48] <inetpro> nuvolari: that would have given google way to much power
[19:50] <inetpro> actually I'm glad that it never happened
[19:50] <nuvolari> yeah, they are good competition
[19:51] <nuvolari> my initial thoughts are that Oracle became sour because they failed to create an "oracle phone"
[19:51] <nuvolari> or aphone by oracle
[19:51] <inetpro> hmm... I'm not so sure about that one
[19:52] <nuvolari> there's a mention of Oracle looking at RIM and ... I can't remember now
[19:53] <inetpro> well with them handing BB phones to all their employees they must have misjudged the market
[19:53] <nuvolari> "Oracle contemplated buying RIM, but RIM was too expensive. They considered buying Palm, but considered them not to be competitive. Finally, they tried approaching Google CEO, Eric Schmidt with a business proposition that would allow Android phones to boot faster, run faster and use less battery power, but the two parties failed to agree on terms."
[19:54] <inetpro> anyone still a proud BB user here?
[19:55]  * nuvolari can hear a pin drop
[19:56]  * psydroid is a droid himself and wouldn't want to be anything else
[19:56] <nuvolari> Maaz: psydroid++ for being a 'droid fan
[19:56] <Maaz> nuvolari: Excuse me?
[19:56] <nuvolari> Maaz: help karma
[19:56] <Maaz> nuvolari: Keeps track of karma for people and things. You can use it like this:
[19:56] <Maaz>   forget karma for <subject> [[reason]]
[19:56] <Maaz>   karma for <subject>
[19:56] <Maaz>   [reverse] karmaladder
[19:56] <Maaz>   <subject> (++|--|==|ftw|ftl) [[reason]]
[19:57] <inetpro> psydroid: that just confirms my suspicions about that nick of yours :-)
[19:57] <nuvolari> Maaz: ++psydroid for being a 'droid fan
[19:57] <Maaz> nuvolari: What?
[19:58] <inetpro> Maaz: psydroid ++ [for being a doid fan]
[19:58] <nuvolari> bleh :P
[19:58] <nuvolari> thanks inetpro
[19:59] <psydroid> internetpro, you can guess but I won't confirm :P
[19:59]  * inetpro lol
[19:59] <magespawn> Droid amd meeho/memeo
[20:00] <inetpro> magespawn: if only Nokia didn't sell out to MS
[20:00] <psydroid> I think Nokia is doomed
[20:00] <inetpro> definitely
[20:01] <magespawn> My thoughts exactly
[20:01] <nuvolari> but I don't know how they could not see that coming...
[20:01] <psydroid> I have seen no one with a Windows phone for quite some time, it's as if they don't even exist
[20:01] <magespawn> But they have not killed the os they have.
[20:02] <magespawn> Ppayed with lumina 900 the other day
[20:02] <magespawn> Played
[20:02] <inetpro> magespawn: it will never be the same without support from the top
[20:02] <magespawn> Maybe
[20:02] <fukov> inetpro: ah dis nice
[20:02] <magespawn> They do still have more 50% market share
[20:03] <fukov> psydroid: haha, that's a good enough reason :)
[20:03] <inetpro> magespawn: says who?
[20:04] <magespawn> Saw something based on number of active handsets versus sales etc, wil see if I can dig it up.
[20:05] <magespawn> I am waiting for the time when phines/tablets become like pc and you can have your pick of hardware and software.
[20:05] <magespawn> Phones
[20:06] <magespawn> I love my n900
[20:07] <magespawn> If they keep making hardware like that I will keep buying it.
[20:07]  * inetpro enjoying ICS 4.0.4 on the Nexus S
[20:08] <inetpro> I could just do with a beefier battery
[20:08] <magespawn> Besides soon you could build your own phone, they way things like strawberry pi are going.
[20:08] <magespawn> So coul we all.
[20:09] <magespawn> Could
[20:09] <inetpro> RootChaos: wb
[20:09] <RootChaos> tx
[20:10] <inetpro> RootChaos: you have been here before?
[20:11] <magespawn> Inetpro have seen the htc one x, i think that is what it is called.
[20:11] <RootChaos> •inetpro• i have indeed
[20:11]  * nuvolari have seen RootChaos before
[20:12] <nuvolari> *around before
[20:12]  * inetpro would not mind a physical keyboard with modern droid smartphone
[20:14] <magespawn> Would it take a bluetooth one?
[20:16] <inetpro> magespawn: I'm sure a bluetooth keyboard would work
[20:17] <inetpro> but then again, I don't think the smartphones will ever replace a good old desktop with a nice big monitor
[20:17] <magespawn> Seen two tablets lately with hdmi output.
[20:18] <inetpro> but never is perhaps a very long time
[20:18] <magespawn> One device for on the road and dock it like the older laptops in the office.
[20:19] <nuvolari>  /bu6
[20:19] <nuvolari> hmm. sorry
[20:20] <inetpro> BTW, would you recommend charging a phone with a car charger these days?
[20:20] <inetpro> or what do you suggest for someone on the roads?
[20:21] <RootChaos> i would be happy with a few things... since we on the topic of whish lists...
[20:22] <magespawn> Iused thone with my n900 but doesnot charge that well, that charges better though my laptop, have not tried a car charger with the tablet
[20:22] <RootChaos> 1. a complete linux desktop to replace a windows desktop, including abode cs 5.5 ;-)
[20:22] <RootChaos> 2. a south africa linux mag that doesnt cost R160
[20:23] <RootChaos> thats it... just 2 things...
[20:23] <inetpro> RootChaos: hmm...
[20:23] <inetpro> RootChaos: 1. vim
[20:23] <inetpro> 2. the web
[20:24] <magespawn> I am out of here peeps battery is about to die, night all.
[20:24] <inetpro> magespawn: eish! Good night
[20:24] <RootChaos> cheers magespawn
[20:25] <inetpro> RootChaos: forget the South African linux mag, we're living in a global village these days
[20:26] <inetpro> allthough I do agree that it would look nice on the coffee table
[20:26] <RootChaos> i still enjoy paging through a mag
[20:27] <zeref> hmmm
[20:28] <zeref> yeah linux magz are expensive
[20:28] <zeref> but some might say you get a cd with a bunch of linux distrbutions
[20:29] <inetpro> unfortunatelt I think they'll get even more expensive
[20:29] <inetpro> unless we give up and loose the patent fight
[20:30] <inetpro> electronic versions should be very close to free
[20:31] <inetpro> it's just so much easier to distribute a electronic version
[20:31] <inetpro> and there's no harm done to nature
[20:31] <inetpro> or at least, less harm
[20:32] <nuvolari> inetpro: http://9to5google.com/2012/04/18/googles-money-slides-indicate-oracle-is-bitter-over-javas-failed-mobile-attempts-court-battle-is-its-tantrum-photos/
[20:33] <inetpro> nuvolari: nice, thanks
[20:40] <inetpro> .
[20:40] <superfly> ..
[20:43] <inetpro> superfly: you on 12.04 yet?
[20:43] <superfly> yup, upgraded when the first beta came out
[20:44] <inetpro> cool
[20:44] <RootChaos> RootCore6678
[20:45] <RootChaos> that is my 12.04 boxie
[20:45] <RootChaos> can't wait for the production release though
[20:46] <inetpro> same here
[20:51] <RootChaos> only 6 days to go
[20:51] <inetpro> 6 days are way to long
[20:51] <RootChaos> yeah
[20:52] <inetpro> I'm actually surprised that we have not seen a release cadidate yet
[20:52] <inetpro> or is it out
[20:52] <inetpro> ?
[20:52] <RootChaos> just beta i think
[20:54] <zeref> alpha-->beta-->official relase
[20:54] <inetpro> ok
[20:54]  * inetpro somehow thought there used to be a RC1 and RC2 version
[20:55] <zeref> mmmm, i dont remember seeing RC's for ubuntu, i might be wrong
[20:57] <zeref> 5 year support, not upgrading till 2017 LOL
[20:58] <inetpro> that is a very long time
[20:58] <tumbleweed> inetpro: we are in the candidate phase
[20:59] <tumbleweed> meaning pretty much every daily build is a release candidate
[20:59] <inetpro> tumbleweed: ahh
[20:59] <tumbleweed> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[20:59] <inetpro> tumbleweed: great to see you're still at it
[21:00] <zeref> tumbleweed: do you have another job, or is ubuntu dev teh job?
[21:01]  * tumbleweed isn't directly involved in the release process. I'm on the release team but I'm not involved with any of the flavors
[21:01] <tumbleweed> zeref: yeah I have a dayjob these days. Abandoned university
[21:02] <tumbleweed> working on deployment systems at yola
[21:03] <zeref> ahh, thinking bout going the dev root when done with studies with "official" job
[21:04] <tumbleweed> we're hiring, btw, https://www.yola.com/about-us/jobs/engineering-sa
[21:04] <inetpro> zeref: don't wait to get employed
[21:04] <inetpro> just get involved even before getting employed
[21:05] <zeref> true
[21:07] <nuvolari> o/ night
[21:08] <inetpro> nuvolari: good night


[08:18] <zequence_> OvenWerks: Why not work on what others want, and start from that prespective, so you can make a tool that everyone will need.
[08:56] <zequence> The new CD ISO should be a reality quite soon. Got some pointers on how to get it all into shape
[14:41] <holstein> zequence: you mean, in the !paste command?
[14:41] <holstein> zequence: change from imagebin to snag.gy ?
[14:41] <holstein> i'll ask Unit193, if so.. there may be some reason its like that
[19:15] <zequence> holstein: I don't know much about those pages. I read in xubuntu-offtopic that the warning had something to do with a ad?
[19:15] <holstein> zequence: i know much less about it..
[19:15] <holstein> zequence: is that what you were talkin about?
[19:15] <holstein> the warning?
[19:15] <zequence> holstein: Yeah
[19:16] <elfy> https://safebrowsing.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?client=Firefox&hl=en-US&site=http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add
[19:16] <elfy> that's what it is
[19:16] <zequence> holstein: dan-roger is a former student of mine, and probably doesn't speak much English. Is very new to anything computerish, so expect some problems communicating there.
[19:17] <holstein> zequence: good.. i was about to lay into him
[19:17] <holstein> zequence: i was giving him the benifit of the doubt on a language barrier
[19:18] <zequence> I was able to chat with him privately today. It'll take him some time to understand how IRC works. Was a little surprised to see him pop up the other day
[19:20] <zequence> elfy: Looks a little fishy :)
[19:20] <elfy> :)


[00:36] <lfaraone> Is there any way to verify the authenticity of kernels uploaded to http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa ?
[00:36] <lfaraone> I'm wary of downloading over HTTP and not being able to check a signature.
[01:02]  * lfaraone waves at apw
[04:00] <td1212> Hello
[04:01] <td1212> I have dell 5737 laptop and since the ubuntu 14.04 upgrade it consistently frezes as soon as resuming from suspend
[04:01] <td1212> I tried pretty much all upstream kernels since 14.04 - the same
[04:03] <td1212> My quick question - can I keep loading old kernel 3.11.10 with new 14.10 release?
[04:12] <td1212> anyone?
[08:09] <apw> td1212 (N,BFTL), that sounds like an issue i have been tracking recently and may be fixed in an update shortly, in the short term yes you can run the older kerenl but it won't get updated
[09:19] <jibel> apw, morning. I added DKMS tests for Vivid. They'll appear on next run of the job. I kept Utopic until it's EOL in July next year.
[09:23] <apw> jibel, most excellent, thank you for that
[09:23] <apw> jibel, did you add PPA as well ?
[09:23] <jibel> apw, yes
[09:24] <apw> great :)
[10:37] <apw> jibel, what triggers those dkms jobs, is it next kernel change?
[10:38] <jibel> apw, Daily check of a kernel or dkms module update.
[10:39] <apw> jibel, ok so "sometime in the next 24 hours" we'd expect a baseline to drop out.  great
[10:39] <jibel> apw, every day at 2:23UTC
[10:39] <jibel> apw, everything seems quiet now, I'll start a run of vivid.
[10:40] <apw> hey thanks
[12:43] <apw> jibel, the replication for those jobs, is that something which is time based, or is that something which also needs adding
[12:47] <jibel> apw, if by replication you mean publication to jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com, it's automated. the CI team has to create the views manually
[12:47] <jibel> I sent an RT for that
[13:12] <apw> jibel, i do, and great


[00:04] <salgado> wallyworld, hey, thanks for that review!  would you mind landing it for me as well as I don't have ec2-utils setup?
[00:04] <wallyworld> salgado: np. will do it today. thanks for doing the work :-)
[00:07] <sinzui> StevenK, after looking at formlibs processing of the form, visibility is excluded from the data because the input == false. So while the widget got input that we recognise as valid, it is ignored because of this "input" flag. I think "input" means the field is read-only
[00:09] <StevenK> sinzui: I set readonly=true in the visibility attribute
[00:09] <StevenK> I remember Zope de-praming its toys if it wasn't
[00:10] <sinzui> correct, but I think out mutator rules are in conflicts with form lib
[00:11] <sinzui> We may need to check the state of the widget ourselves, or as we have done before...copy a writeable field into the ITeamCreation schema
[00:11] <StevenK> sinzui: I've just removed readonly=True, let's see what Zopes does.
[00:12] <sinzui> StevenK, mutator will kill startup
[00:12] <StevenK> Indeed
[00:12] <StevenK> TypeError: Only a read-only field can have a mutator method.
[00:12] <sinzui> StevenK, We know at the time of creation, we can do what we want because there is no mutation
[00:12] <wgrant> Ah, yes, that's right.
[00:12] <wgrant> You need to override the readonlyness in setUpFields
[00:13] <sinzui> wgrant, StevenK I see the widget got the value and it was valid. are you saying setupfields did something else to say do a lot of work, but I intend to ignore it later
[00:13] <sinzui> ?
[00:14]  * sinzui must eat
[00:14] <StevenK> sinzui: Thanks for the pointer
[00:14] <StevenK> wgrant: How do I do that?
[00:15] <wgrant> StevenK: See BugSecrecyEditView for a way to do it without customising setUpFields
[00:15] <wgrant> The copy_field business
[00:16] <StevenK> I'm tempted to do it in conditionallyOmitVisibility()
[00:16] <StevenK> Then everything gets it
[00:16] <wgrant> It's not appropriate to do it there.
[00:17] <StevenK> class schema? Wow, really?
[00:17] <wgrant> ?
[00:18] <StevenK> That's what under BugSecrecyEditView does copy_field()
[00:18] <wgrant> Yes.
[00:18] <wgrant> I'm just wondering why you question it.
[00:18] <StevenK> Seems like a horrid hack :-P
[00:19] <wgrant> It's a horrid problem with a not particularly horrid solution.
[00:19] <StevenK> Hmm, but TeamAddView already defines schema = ITeamCreation
[00:20] <wgrant> Yay, top OOPS fixed.
[00:22] <StevenK> That was Product:+index?
[00:22] <wgrant> No, loggerhead's DownloadUI
[00:22] <wgrant> Product:+index rarely times out now, it's just 30% slower than it needs to be.
[00:22] <wgrant> And that fix is not on production yet.
[00:23] <StevenK> Or even qas?
[00:23] <wgrant> Correct
[00:23] <StevenK> ValueError: ('Duplicate name', 'visibility')
[00:23] <StevenK> :-(
[00:27] <wgrant> Oh, that fixed oops #5 too
[00:27] <lifeless> wgrant: so the question is where folk were getting bad links from
[00:28] <wgrant> lifeless: I would tend to suspect spiders, but loggerhead OOPSes don't contain any info.
[00:28] <wgrant> The access logs might.
[00:28]  * wgrant hunts.
[00:28] <lifeless> spiders don't make up urls though
[00:29] <lifeless> so if its spiders, something is broken
[00:29] <lifeless> somewhere
[00:29] <wgrant> Why?
[00:29] <wgrant> These are referring to fileids in head:
[00:29] <wgrant> That easily linkrots.
[00:29] <lifeless> true
[00:29] <lifeless> downloadUI is quite new though
[00:29] <lifeless> that one in particular...
[00:29] <wgrant> DownloadTarballUI is now
[00:29] <wgrant> DownloadUI isn't, is it?
[00:29] <wgrant> s/now/new/
[00:29] <lifeless> ah, right right
[00:31] <wgrant> Interesting.
[00:32] <wgrant> There's far fewer requests in the logs than there are OOPSes.
[00:33] <wgrant> All the problematic requests are from Android
[00:33] <wgrant> So I wonder if the app is looking at that URL for updates.
[00:34] <lifeless> wgrant: the garbo job change landed?
[00:34] <lifeless> wgrant: I take it we're doing a one-off ?
[00:35] <lifeless> wgrant: hah, an android app updating from loggerhead. Aieee!!!! !!
[00:35] <wgrant> lifeless: No, just the DB patch so far.
[00:35] <lifeless> oh phew
[00:35] <wgrant> Will be deployed on Monday
[00:35] <lifeless> \o/
[00:35] <wgrant> Oh, blah.
[00:36] <wgrant> This is going to take forever to branch.
[00:36] <wgrant> Because it has Java disease.
[00:36] <wgrant> Dozens of embedded jars.
[00:36] <lifeless> head-spike
[00:36] <wgrant> Perhaps we can alter the LP ToS
[00:36] <wgrant> To state that if you embed dependencies, your forfeit your access to LP
[00:39] <wgrant> alert, alert
[00:39] <wgrant> We are in the green for criticals in the last week :/
[00:40] <StevenK> Isn't that a good thing?
[00:42] <wgrant> It can only mean one thing: our OOPS reporting system is broken.
[00:54] <lifeless> how wrong is it to call functions via exec function.__code__ in custom_globals
[00:55] <wgrant> That ranks at roughly 11/10 evil points
[00:57] <lifeless> it is sad when language docs need to say things like:
[00:57] <lifeless> In some cases, a fruitful optimization is to assign the attribute to a local variable and call that local variable.
[00:58] <lifeless> anyhow, func_code is the support attribute. win.
[00:58] <wgrant> It is sad when the project is 10MB but the branch is 150MB because of the jars.
[00:58] <wgrant> collectionista-library/res/values/strings-versioncheck.xml:    <string name="version_file_url">http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Epjv/collectionista/trunk/download/head:/collectionista_versi-20110605182324-0nll835704egr1kc-219/collectionista_versions.xml?file_id=collectionista_versi-20110605182324-0nll835704egr1kc-219</string>
[00:58] <wgrant> woot
[01:00] <lifeless> headdesk deskhead
[01:00] <wgrant> It's a reasonably strategy.
[01:00] <lifeless> not with that url
[01:00] <wgrant> Strategy, not implementation :)
[01:27]  * StevenK stabs NFS, and then twists the knife.
[01:42] <lifeless> its a bit disappointing that the vm bypasses __getitem__
[01:54] <wgrant> Grar
[01:54] <wgrant> Too many bug statuses
[01:55]  * wgrant becomes murderous.
[01:59] <lifeless> win 3658  OOPS-11d83b82cd4d682e6c5cd63a9326e9db  Unknown
[01:59] <wgrant> It's always in the top 5
[02:00] <lifeless> top today
[02:00] <wgrant> With a count like that I would certainly hope so :)
[02:04] <wgrant> Ah, process-apport-blobs
[02:04] <wgrant> Hmm
[02:05] <wgrant> I think it may have a somewhat serious bug.
[02:05] <wgrant> 3658 queries, 3200 of which are made up of two massively duplicated librarian reads.
[02:06] <wgrant> Ah, possibly it's chunked.
[03:00] <wgrant> lifeless: So, simply realising the join removes the Ubuntu FTI issue.
[03:01] <wgrant> I have most sensible orders with FTI pretty fast now, even on DF.
[03:01] <wgrant> I wonder if I can make a guess at how many rows there are and disable insane orders if there are too many.
[03:43] <wgrant> aaaaah launchbag
[03:45] <StevenK> Kill it, it's moving!
[04:08] <wgrant> I have to say, it is somewhat pleasing to see dogfood reliably faster than production.
[04:12] <wgrant> Oh no :(
[04:12] <wgrant> My launchpad shared repo is now tainted.
[04:13] <wgrant> I accidentally branches collectionista into it, so it's now covered in revolting embedded jar residue :(
[04:53] <wgrant> lifeless: How are we looking for bug index bloat?
[04:54] <wgrant> Oh, blah.
[04:54] <wgrant> Nevermind.
[04:54] <wgrant> The massive PPR regression is the bug listings release.
[04:56] <wgrant> However, we have a serious xmlrpc-private regression start on the 26th and escalating since then.
[04:58] <wgrant> Hm, unless it actually started on the 30th, when the session DB was put through pgbouncer.
[04:58] <wgrant> But it seems to have been going slightly badly since the 27th.
[05:29] <lifeless> is it just me or is js calling conventions a tad idiosyncratic
[06:34] <wallyworld> StevenK: can't recall your previous issue exactly, but i can't create_initialized_view for a team with a rootsite specified eg https://blueprints.launchpad.dev/~teamname and have it render correctly
[06:34] <wallyworld> is that something you ran into before?
[11:24] <rick_h> morning
[11:43] <jelmer> hey rick_h
[11:52] <jml> hello
[11:52] <jml> I have a couple of questions:
[11:53] <jml> Is there an IRC bot that can announce when new MPs are up on Launchpad (for a user-defined set of projects)
[11:53] <wgrant> jml: I think Landscape has one.
[11:53] <jml> Would it be OK if I amend an existing IRC bot to do this? Are there any guidelines for the inevitable polling that I will have to do?
[11:53] <stub> jml: Rabbit FTW
[11:54] <jml> stub: Rule Britannia.
[11:54] <stub> jml: txlongpoll + rabbit if not running in our DC
[11:55] <jml> stub: do you mean that I can actually set something up today that wait for events from Launchpad and not run in the DC?
[11:56] <stub> jml: It is used by the merge proposal page at the moment to load the diff as soon as it is available, so all the pieces are in place.
[11:56] <jml> stub: I don't see that behaviour...
[11:57] <wgrant> It's restricted to ~launchpad until it's ready.
[11:57] <jml> stub: also, that sounds suspiciously like a "No, not yet"
[11:57] <stub> jml: It means in theory yes, in practice ask the people who implemented it :)
[11:57] <jml> stub: heh, ok.
[11:58] <jml> wgrant: ok. I'll make a note to come back and ask about this some time in the future.
[11:58] <jml> wgrant: I feel a bit stupid for asking, but, any guess on when it'll be opened up to a broader group?
[11:59] <wgrant> jml: There's one current show-stopping bug which I might get bored and illicitly fix at some point.
[12:02] <jml> wgrant: ok, thanks.
[12:09] <wgrant> In fact, why don't I try to fix that now.
[12:09]  * wgrant fixes.
[12:13] <matsubara> hey guys, I replied to a merge proposal by email but my reply didn't show up in the web ui. should I have signed the email?
[12:36] <bac> hello adeuring
[12:37] <bac> matsubara: i did the same yesterday with this MP:  https://code.launchpad.net/~frankban/charms/oneiric/buildbot-slave/02-09/+merge/92340 . you'll see my second comment showed up just fine.  the email was unsigned.
[12:38] <bac> but i wondered as i hit 'send'
[12:39] <matsubara> how strange. In any case I copy and pasted my reply into the MP
[12:44] <adeuring> morning bac
[12:49] <StevenK> rick_h: O hai. You agree with my Evil Plan?
[12:53] <rick_h> StevenK: your plan works for me I believe
[12:54] <rick_h> and I can start landing fixes like a mad man once that's there and we get some testers
[12:54] <StevenK> rick_h: One thing I'd love for you to look at is why the AJAX drop-down doesn't work.
[12:55] <rick_h> orly? ok, where is this?
[12:55] <rick_h> is there a bug to look at?
[12:55] <StevenK> rick_h: On any page, it's the green "AJAX log" next to your name.
[12:56] <rick_h> oh that, ok. I'll peek
[12:56] <StevenK> rick_h: It's only shown for us, but it hasn't worked since our fixes from the epic were deployed
[12:56] <StevenK> rick_h: I'm guessing it's something trivial
[12:56] <rick_h> StevenK: ok, I had hoped it was part of the single LPJS thing
[12:56] <StevenK> So had I
[12:56] <StevenK> It wasn't. :-(
[12:56] <rick_h> if it's still broken today, then I'll peek at it
[12:56] <StevenK> rick_h: I'm not sure if there is a bug. wgrant may have filed one.
[12:57] <rick_h> k, I'll look, thanks for the heads up
[12:57] <StevenK> rick_h: Do you also want to prod sidnei to review my convoy branch? :-)
[12:58] <rick_h> ah ok, I haven't peeked over there. Will do.
[12:58] <rick_h> StevenK: he's in Brazil so should be mid day now I tink
[12:58] <rick_h> think*
[13:06] <rick_h> StevenK: ok, didn't see a bug, so added one and got the card on the board
[13:07] <StevenK> rick_h: I'd be very curious to find out what the issue was.
[13:10] <jelmer> what's the best way to check if a call exercises the database again?
[13:11] <StevenK> In a test?
[13:11] <jelmer> StevenK: yep
[13:11] <jelmer> I'm testing to see if something that's supposed to cache will actually cache
[13:12] <StevenK> jelmer: Right, we have an existing pattern for that. Have a grep for StormStatementRecorder
[13:13] <jelmer> StevenK: I don't recall seeing that before, is it new?
[13:13] <jelmer> StevenK: either way, that seems to be exactly what I'm looking for - thanks!
[13:13] <StevenK> I think it's been around for a little while
[13:13] <rick_h> StevenK: sidnei is +1'ing your MP
[13:14] <StevenK> rick_h: Sweet. Feel free to merge it in
[13:14] <rick_h> will do
[13:14] <StevenK> Then we should automagically get a new version of convoy in the PPA.
[13:14] <rick_h> StevenK: awesome
[13:18] <gary_poster> jelmer, hi.  Congrats on colocated branches!  Where do we read about how to use them?
[13:22] <jelmer> gary_poster: Hi
[13:22] <jelmer> gary_poster: they're not really prime-time material yet; most of the documentation there is can be found in my last post on them to the bazaar mailing list
[13:23] <gary_poster> jelmer, ok.  So should we not try to rely on them?
[13:23] <jelmer> gary_poster: their format is stable, but the support in the UI is still a bit awkward
[13:24] <gary_poster> jelmer, hm, ok.  I'll review the post and see if we can give it a whirl.  I'm guessing testers would be good. :-)
[13:25] <gary_poster> thank you
[13:26] <jelmer> gary_poster: yep, definitely - thanks :)
[13:26] <jelmer> gary_poster: see also the list of bugs tagged 'colocated' in bzr
[13:28] <wallyworld_> jelmer: colocated branches are not new are they? i've been using branches switching between a single working tree ever since i started
[13:29] <wallyworld_> lp is too large to do anything else imo
[13:29] <wallyworld_> plus it suits modern IDE's
[13:30] <jelmer> wallyworld_: colocated branch support in bzr itself is new
[13:30] <jelmer> wallyworld_: perhaps you mean bzr-colo?
[13:31] <wallyworld_> yes, i think that's what i meant
[13:41] <bigjools> wallyworld_: jelmer: bzr switch I suspect?
[13:41] <wallyworld_> bigjools: yes, i use bzr switch
[13:41] <bigjools> me also
[13:41] <wallyworld_> with a single working tree, and no-tree branches
[13:42] <wallyworld_> i'm not 100% sure what colocated branch support is, have to rtfm
[13:56] <jelmer> wallyworld_: switching a single working tree between multiple branches has been supported for a long time
[13:56] <jelmer> this is just the support for having the branches live in the same location as the tree
[13:56] <jelmer> rather than having to have a separate shared repo with the branches elsewhere
[13:57] <wallyworld_> ah, ok. i follow now. thanks for the extra explanation.
[13:57] <jelmer> hi adeuring, bac
[13:57] <wallyworld_> although for my use, i want the branches and working tree separate
[13:57] <adeuring> hi jelmer
[13:57] <bac> hi jelmer
[13:57] <jelmer> would either of you have time for the review of a small branch?
[13:57] <jelmer> https://code.launchpad.net/~jelmer/launchpad/branchjob-cache-authors/+merge/92470
[13:58] <adeuring> jelmer: sure
[13:58] <jelmer> wallyworld_: why do you need to have them separate?
[13:58] <jelmer> adeuring: thanks!
[14:00] <wallyworld_> jelmer: i like the working tree to be "pure" and not have extra VCS directories in it like with svn or cvs. but i guess if they are hidden then it's ok
[14:01] <wallyworld_> jelmer: so now i have a lp-branches dir, and all my branches are directories named after the branch containing .bzr etc, and my working tree sandbox is nicely uncluttered
[14:02] <jelmer> wallyworld_: that's still the case with colocated branches, they all live under .bzr/branches
[14:02] <wallyworld_> ah, ok. then that sounds cool :-)
[14:03] <wallyworld_> although now i can ls to see what my branches are easily
[14:03] <wallyworld_> and use ls -lort to see what the most recently checked out one is
[14:03] <adeuring> jelmer: r=me
[14:04] <jelmer> adeuring: merci :)
[14:05] <jelmer> wallyworld_: the difference once it's set up is quite small
[14:05] <jelmer> wallyworld_: we have a 'bzr branches' command that can list all branches and pinpoint which one is active at the moment
[14:05] <jelmer> wallyworld_: the main advantage in colocated branches vs the the traditional setup with a lightweight checkout and shared repository, is that it requires less setup
[14:06] <jelmer> wallyworld_: you can just go "bzr branch lp:foo" and then run "bzr switch -b newbranch" in the resulting directory
[14:08] <wallyworld_> makes sense. atm i just go "bzr switch ../foo" to changes branches so i guess it comes down to what you are used to
[14:09] <wallyworld_> the setup was a one time thing, not too onerous from memory
[14:09] <wallyworld_> but anything to make it easier is good :-)
[14:10] <wallyworld_> the reason i like ls -lort is that sometimes i need to recall what the last few branches were that i worked on because i need to switch back to one and can't recall it's name
[14:28] <deryck> adeuring, abentley, rick_h -- https://plus.google.com/hangouts/extras/talk.google.com/orange-standup
[14:28] <deryck> superspeed standup today.
[14:28] <rick_h> deryck: ok
[14:28] <deryck> I'm stuck waiting on plugin in FF.  switching
[15:21] <deryck> abentley, adeuring, rick_h -- I'm back now.
[15:21] <adeuring> ack
[15:22] <abentley> deryck: Cool.
[15:22] <rick_h> deryck: yay
[15:26] <deryck> rick_h, hey, so just to be clear, you don't need reviews from me now, thanks to wallyworld_ right?
[15:28] <rick_h> deryck: not for those two, I'm making the changes there and will put up the next set for you :)
[15:28] <deryck> rick_h, rockin'! :)
[15:29] <rick_h> deryck: 3 is up, 4 says conflicts to looking into that
[16:00] <abentley> deryck: talk in 2 minutes?
[16:01] <deryck> abentley, yup.  firing up a hang out now.
[16:01] <deryck> abentley, actually, warming coffee.  but here's the link….  https://plus.google.com/hangouts/extras/talk.google.com/go-for-deryck
[16:28] <rick_h> deryck: ok, branch 4 is fixed and pushed as well and setup for review
[17:11] <deryck> rick_h, I'm working on them now.
[17:13] <rick_h> deryck: let me know where to send the beer to in payment
[17:14] <deryck> rick_h, not necessary. :) It's actually easy to review this stuff to me.
[17:14] <rick_h> hah, you say that now! I know my steam is slowing down in writing it, I'll bet the review does as well :P
[17:16] <deryck> rick_h, r=me for #3 branch.
[17:16] <rick_h> deryck: ty much
[17:17] <deryck> rick_h, it helps that I'm a really fast reader anyway, and I know these tests really really well. :)
[17:18] <rick_h> I like to remind myself that the worst I can do is cause a test failure because I broke it really
[17:24] <deryck> rick_h, yup. it's really a very safe change, despite the diff size.  r=me on #4.
[17:24] <rick_h> deryck: ok thanks.
[17:24] <rick_h> deryck: since 5 is just the html files getting a lot more files into there, still working. Almost done with /bugs/
[17:25] <rick_h> so I'll be back! bwuhahahaha
[17:25] <rick_h> lol, there's a 'test_me_too.js' never noticed that one
[18:19] <sinzui> bac, do you have time to review changes to commercial subscription rules: https://code.launchpad.net/~sinzui/launchpad/apply-commercial-subscription/+merge/92547
[18:19] <bac> sinzui: yes
[18:19]  * james_w curses incompatible bson libraries
[18:25] <salgado> rick_h, hi there. when you have a minute, we could do with another review on https://code.launchpad.net/~linaro-infrastructure/launchpad/workitems-model-classes/+merge/92174 :)
[18:26] <rick_h> salgado: loading up
[18:47] <beuno> so
[18:47] <beuno> this new thing of not changing the URL when a merge proposal is files
[18:48] <beuno> *filed
[18:48] <beuno> and it still being +register-merge
[18:48] <beuno> is tehre a bug yet?
[18:51] <rick_h> salgado: looks good, passed onto jcsackett for final ok
[18:51] <rick_h> salgado: thanks for both of you for the updates to the storm way vs sqlobject way.
[18:52] <salgado> rick_h, thank you for the reviews! :)
[18:58] <lifeless> james_w: patches...
[19:00] <james_w> lifeless, unpossible!
[19:01] <james_w> I think we'll just have to cut oops-* over to pymongo everywhere
[19:02] <lifeless> james_w: I'm no particular objection to that
[19:02] <james_w> yeah
[19:03] <james_w> I'm just not sure how for the tendrils will stretch yet
[19:03] <lifeless> everywhere.
[19:03] <lifeless> muhhahahhahhahahha
[19:03] <james_w> for instance, we may end up deleting the rfc serializer as part of the change
[19:04] <lifeless> why ?
[19:05] <lifeless> I mean, no great loss IMO, but why?
[19:05] <james_w> because this will change the semantics of what you get back from oopses
[19:05] <lifeless> how so ?
[19:05] <james_w> pymongo always returns naive datetimes
[19:06] <lifeless> what?!
[19:06] <lifeless> thats totally bogus
[19:06] <lifeless> also error prone
[19:07] <lifeless> do they have a fixed point of reference? or does stuff build on mongo vary by the tz of your server?
[19:07] <lifeless> so, ok, I do have an objection.
[19:07] <lifeless> *this*
[19:08] <james_w> everything in the serialized form is UTC
[19:08] <james_w> with the rule that you can't put a naive datetime with a non-UTC tz as input
[19:10] <lifeless> naive has no tz
[19:10] <lifeless> so that rule doesn't make sense to me
[19:11] <james_w> it has an unrecorded tz
[19:11] <lifeless> you *can't tell* if someone is messing up if you accept naive tz's
[19:11] <james_w> "everyone that decodes the bson will assume that datetimes are UTC, so don't break that assumption for them"
[19:11] <lifeless> hahahahahaha
[19:12] <james_w> so we're back to...
[19:12]  * james_w curses incompatible bson libraries
[19:12] <lifeless> if they were here, I would say to the authors: "There is a way to do that in python, its called tz aware datetimes"
[19:12] <lifeless> I mean really, it is astonishingly bad
[19:13] <james_w> lifeless, you do realise that the bson library already in use does pretty much the same thing?
[19:13] <james_w> it just returns non-naive datetimes
[19:14] <james_w> http://paste.ubuntu.com/836939/
[19:14] <lifeless> yes, thats the right way
[19:15] <lifeless> strict on emission, broad on acceptance but tell folk they are being daft
[19:15] <james_w> they just add a warning, and return a non-naive datetime with the same assumptions
[19:15] <lifeless> yes
[19:15] <lifeless> the wire protocol is defined as being utc
[19:15] <lifeless> which is great
[19:16] <lifeless> so, we could warap pymongo, we could give them a patch providing an option for folk that want nicer coding environmens
[19:18] <james_w> aha
[19:18] <james_w> there's an option
[19:22] <lifeless> cool
[19:27] <james_w> https://code.launchpad.net/~james-w/python-oops-datedir-repo/bson-compat/+merge/92560
[19:28] <lifeless> amqp coming soon I presume ?
[19:34] <james_w> already done
[19:34] <lifeless> \o/
[19:34] <lifeless> james_w: wait, what? :)
[19:34] <james_w> https://code.launchpad.net/~james-w/python-oops-amqp/bson-compat/+merge/92389
[19:55] <timrc> flacoste, I must be living in the past because it says this policy was approved 17th Feb 2012.. https://dev.launchpad.net/PolicyAndProcess/MaintenanceCosts :)
[20:05] <flacoste> lol
[20:05] <flacoste> timrc: nah, it's only lifeless living in the future
[20:06] <timrc> flacoste, that oddly makes sense..
[20:06] <timrc> :)
[20:06] <flacoste> but he's usually only one day ahead
[20:06] <flacoste> i think he must have made a breakthrough in his timewarp machine
[20:22] <bac> sinzui: done.  sorry for the delay
[20:23] <sinzui> That okay, I almost have my next branch complete
[20:29] <lifeless> bah no
[20:29] <lifeless> its me confounding dates
[20:54] <sinzui> The cursing and screaming upstairs in English, German, and Japanese, can mean onyl two things. Firstly, I taught my daughter well, and secondly, she has reached the mind-f**k ending of Evangelion You Shall Not Advance.
[20:59] <jelmer> sinzui: :)
[21:00] <sinzui> I just advanced the film to the closing scene after the credits. She at lease knows that world will not end.
[21:04] <lifeless> sinzui: :)
[21:05] <lamalex> Hey, is this right place to ask questions about the API usage, or is that better suited for #launchpad
[21:06] <lamalex> i'm trying to copy from a PPA into another from a jenkins job, a python script seems best (but if there's a better way please let me know!)
[21:14] <lifeless> lamalex: #launchpad
[21:48] <sinzui> bac: I think you are about to EOD, but if you have time I have a branch that could be reviewed: https://code.launchpad.net/~sinzui/launchpad/contact-team/+merge/92589
[21:50] <bac> sinzui: probably.  otp atm
[21:59] <bac> sinzui: i don't understand this comment in the MP
[21:59] <bac> ADDENDUM: I cannot 'hit' the cancel link.  But sweet.
[23:43] <lifeless> wgrant: and if you are around; I have some js questions; up for a [briefish] voice call ?
[23:43] <wgrant> lifeless: Well, since we can't reasonably maintain one connection per tab, there's not much other choice. And only one of the ways is evil.
[23:43] <wgrant> Sure
[23:44] <lifeless> hangout invite sent
[23:45] <wgrant> I've not used one before, but let's see how it goes...
[23:46] <lifeless> ah, you'll be a minute installing the binary blob plugin then
[23:46] <lifeless> (yes, twitch)
[23:46] <wgrant> wtf
[23:47] <wgrant> Do invites show up somewhere?
[23:47] <wgrant> I don't have an email.
[23:47] <wgrant> Ah
[23:47] <wgrant> In the unified Google bar of stupidity.
[23:48] <wgrant> "Installing Google voice and video chat will add the Google voice and video chat repository so your system will automatically keep Google voice and video chat up to date."


[10:04] <asac> hi
[10:04] <asac> hyperair: hmm. i guess you ask that because we have no enigmail for tbird 3?
[10:06] <hyperair> asac: bingo. either way i've just compiled enigmail for tb3 and emailed the xpi to Olav.
[10:06] <hyperair> tb3 x86-64 i mean
[10:06] <asac> hyperair: yeah. still we need a package for it ... which can be a bit tricky
[10:06] <hyperair> yeah i noticed
[10:06] <asac> but should be done at some point
[10:06] <hyperair> i can't even begin to understand how that crazy looking rules file works. X_X
[10:06] <asac> haha
[10:06] <asac> yeah
[10:07] <asac> the idea is to fix the packaging and start somewhat fr0om scratch using the xulrunner build-system
[10:07] <hyperair> xulrunner build system?
[10:23] <asac> dpkg -L xulrunner-1.9.1-dev | grep build
[10:23] <asac> /usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-1.9.1/sdk/build-system.tar.gz
[10:27] <hyperair> hmm
[11:19]  * asac reboots after upgrade
[11:19] <asac> hmm. not yet;)
[11:21] <andrew_sayers> asac: we talked a while back about a patch that would fix the screensaver with Flash.  Is there anything I can do to help get the patch merged into nspluginwrapper?
[12:02] <asac> andrew_sayers: did you suggest a merge?
[12:02] <asac> (sorry if this fell off the radar again)
[12:02] <andrew_sayers> asac: https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-bugs-launchpad-net/nspluginwrapper/flashsaver/+merge/7406
[12:03] <andrew_sayers> Actually, I just realised I haven't run it through valgrind, so it's kind of a happy accident :)
[12:03] <andrew_sayers> My C skills are a little rusty.
[12:11] <asac> andrew_sayers: i was on holdiday for two days and have to catch up on lots of stuff first. will check your merge tomorrow i hope
[12:12] <andrew_sayers> asac: Sounds good to me.  Looks like the program's leaking a few bytes here and there, so I'll make another commit later today, and bug you again later in the week.
[12:14] <asac> andrew_sayers: yeah. i think you need to re-request merge so i can see latest
[12:15] <andrew_sayers> asac: Fair enough, will do.
[12:19] <asac> fta: you created another team for songbird dailies?
[12:20] <asac> fta: thought we wanted to consolidate having all PPAs in one team (yes, songbird is not directly mozilla, but its related enough imo)
[12:47] <asac> fta: ok made -daily PPA a restricted team (so nobody can apply for membership)
[14:06] <fta2> asac, songbird is a dedicated team, different upstream. about the daily vs release PPAs, i bring the topic *after* i created the sb-daily one
[14:11] <asac> fta2: ok.
[14:12] <asac> still i wouldnt think you need teams for everything that is based on mozilla
[14:12] <asac> its similar enough to put in the mozillateam domain
[14:13]  * asac lunch time
[14:21] <fta2> asac, at least, they should have a different a different ppa, if not a team. users would want to play with songbird but not firefox for example
[14:21] <fta2> -a different
[14:22] <andrew_sayers> asac: merge re-requested.  See you later in the week :)
[14:48] <asac> fta2: yes. i wanted to have a "songbird-, thunderbird-, firefox-, etc. PPA dedicated for each app
[14:48] <asac> so basically "scoped through app and purpose"
[15:15] <fta2> asac, can lp provide redirects for everything? including ppa?
[15:27] <asac> fta2: did you get the message before the weeke
[15:28] <asac> i said i wanted to ask that ;)
[15:28] <asac> (most likely needs some manual actions from lp folks, but i hope i could convince them to be not lazy ;))
[15:28] <asac> jk
[16:58] <asac> fta: what is the fakeroot package doing in ucd?
[17:05] <fta2> supposedly fixing a crash, but it doesn't
[17:06] <asac> ok
[17:06] <fta2> asac, i've packaged a plugin, not sure where to publish it (ppa)
[17:06] <asac> fta2: plugin?
[17:06] <asac> or extension?
[17:06] <asac> (for chrome?)
[17:06] <fta2> plugin
[17:06] <fta2> for ff and chrome
[17:06] <asac> which one?
[17:07] <fta2> o3d
[17:07] <fta2> http://code.google.com/apis/o3d/
[17:07] <asac> why not in the real archive?
[17:07] <fta2> another huge monster
[17:07] <fta2> no release, just svn
[17:08] <fta2> -rw-r--r-- 1 fta fta 312876290 2009-06-22 03:33 tarballs/o3d_<IP_ADDRESS>~svn20090619r18874.orig.tar.gz
[17:08] <asac> not sure. i think should consider such cases when planning PPA reorganization
[17:10] <fta2> it's a 1st shot, i can problably trim a lot from this.
[17:10] <fta2> it's another ia32 app
[17:14] <asac> yeah. i would guess that we can strip 2/3 ;)
[17:14] <asac> at least i would hope
[17:25] <fta2> grr, nspluginwrapper
[17:25] <fta2> mine still crashes
[17:32] <asac> hmm odd
[17:32] <asac> fta2: with your ia32-libs?
[17:42] <fta2> yes
[17:43] <fta2> not sure how to get a proper traceback
[17:43] <asac> did you try to change anything? or just a recent snapshot?=
[17:43] <asac> crashes? for me it doesnt crash, but just fails because something fails
[17:43] <fta2> no
[17:43] <fta2> $ dmesg | grep npv
[17:43] <fta2> [  600.253478] npviewer.bin[17246]: segfault at 0 ip (null) sp 00000000ffbe273c error 14 in npviewer.bin[8048000+1f000]
[17:43] <fta2> [ 1417.260164] npviewer.bin[19601]: segfault at 0 ip (null) sp 00000000fff796bc error 14 in npviewer.bin[8048000+1f000]
[17:43] <fta2> [ 5316.687682] npviewer.bin[25186]: segfault at 0 ip (null) sp 00000000ff9b17ec error 14 in npviewer.bin[8048000+1f000]
[17:43] <asac> hmm
[17:43] <asac> fta2: do you see this "cant create connection" thing?
[17:43] <fta2> yes
[17:44] <fta2> i have nothing in /var/crash/, at least for npv
[17:46] <asac> fta2: can you reproduce by running the npplayer?
[17:46] <asac> (e.g. you can run flash in wrapper also from command line standalone ... which makes it easier to capture backtraces)
[17:56] <fta2> asac, hm, no dbg/dbgsym :(
[17:56] <asac> yeah. but build takes a minute or so
[18:00] <fta2> another time
[19:29] <micahg> I see we;ve gone back to shiretoko in the menu branding
[19:29] <fta> asac, i want to push o3d somewhere now. I think ill got for ~od3/daily
[19:29] <fta> micahg, yes
[19:29] <micahg> so now will teh daily stay at rc2?
[19:29] <fta> better than minefield anyway
[19:30] <fta> i stopped the dailies for 3.5/1.9.1
[19:30] <micahg> ok
[19:30] <fta> until 3.5.0 is out
[19:32] <micahg> is the 3.6 branch trunk?
[19:34] <fta> yes
[19:34] <asac> fta: another team?
[19:35] <asac> stop the team inflation ;)
[19:36] <fta> ~google then?
[19:36] <fta> it's even that, it's google+the community
[19:37] <asac> fta: yes. maybe. but ubuntu-google (please prefix stuff with ubuntu-)
[19:38] <asac> ubuntu-googleapps
[19:38] <asac> or something
[19:39] <BUGabundo> Bom S. João para tds, e cuidado com as espinhas :))
[19:39] <asac> or ubuntu-googlecode
[19:39] <asac> BUGabundo: that means?
[19:40] <BUGabundo> eheh it's a Popular Holiday
[19:40] <BUGabundo> its Saint Peters or something like that
[19:40] <BUGabundo> then I added a joke
[19:40] <BUGabundo> ppl usualy eat fish (sardines) and those have scales
[19:47] <fta> asac, i don't like ubuntu-*, we are the only ones using that
[19:47] <fta> and it's too long
[19:47] <BUGabundo> lol
[19:47] <BUGabundo> what are you guys discussion?
[19:48] <asac> fta: sure? ~ubuntu-desktop ~ubuntu-core-dev ~ubuntu-dev
[19:48] <asac> ~ubuntu-server ~ubuntu-mobile
[19:48] <fta> those are pure ubuntu
[19:48] <asac> fta: and we also do gentoo? ;)
[19:49] <asac> i mean.... unless you are an upstream team (or a joint team with upstream) we prefixing it with the target project helps preventing name clashes in future
[19:49] <micahg> a sensible precaution
[19:50] <fta> i just don't want to put that in my own ppa
[19:50] <fta> asac, the description is there for a reason
[19:50] <fta> jcastro, ^^ what do you think of all this?
[19:50] <asac> fta: name clashes are not resolved by description
[19:51] <asac> i just think its fair use to not claim the upstream name for the ubuntu team name in launchpad
[19:53] <jcastro> fta: which apps are you talking about?
[19:53] <fta> o3d
[19:53] <asac> jcastro: talking about team names
[19:53] <asac> not apps
[19:53] <jcastro> oh
[19:53] <fta> but it's more a generic question
[19:53] <asac> jcastro: and not prefixing them with ubuntu-
[19:53] <jcastro> I've always said ubuntu-webtech or something
[19:53] <jcastro> oh, heh
[19:54] <fta> we now have:
[19:54] <fta>   - https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa
[19:54] <fta>   - https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa
[19:54] <fta>   - https://launchpad.net/~songbird-daily/+archive/ppa
[19:54] <fta>   - https://launchpad.net/~gwibber-daily/+archive/ppa
[19:55] <asac> pewrsonallyi think somthing like ~ubuntu-webtech/+archive/gwibber-daily etc. would be better and more scalable
[19:55] <fta> asac said songbird should be in ubuntu-mozilla-daily
[19:55] <asac> preventing team name clashes
[19:55] <asac> fta: i didnt say that
[19:55] <asac> i said that we shouldnt create new teams for everything ;)
[19:56] <asac> and said that we could put it in the "~mozillateam" domain ... but if we create ~ubuntu-webtech or something that would probably be a better match
 fta: you created another team for songbird dailies?
 fta: thought we wanted to consolidate having all PPAs in one team (yes, songbird is not directly mozilla, but its related enough imo)
[19:56] <asac> fta: right. but didnt say ubuntu-mozilla-daily
[19:56] <BUGabundo> those look ok to me
[19:56] <asac> ~ubuntu-webtech/+archive/songbird-daily .... etc.
[19:57] <asac> ~ubuntu-web
[19:57] <asac> ~ubuntu-netapps
[19:57] <fta> so no more project pages?
[19:58] <asac> fta: project pages are independent from teams
[19:58] <asac> arent they?
[19:58] <asac> i think its a separate issue (but yes, that also needs to be discussed)
[19:58] <asac> but i think projects are ok to not prefix if we are open to hand them over to the upstream project if they want to
[19:58] <asac> while we cannot really hand over teams where we run PPAs on imo
[19:59] <BUGabundo> err aren't ppas FREE ?
[19:59] <asac> because packaging and distro stuff usually isnt what upstreams are good at ;)
[19:59] <BUGabundo> why make them a tree?
[19:59] <asac> BUGabundo: not sure what you mean
[20:00] <fta> BUGabundo: until recently, there was only 1 ppa per user/team, now we can add as many as we want
[20:01] <BUGabundo> asac: why guys seem to be discussion the cosolidation of PPAs
[20:01] <BUGabundo> but isn't it easier for users to just track ONE ppa per subject
[20:01] <BUGabundo> ?
[20:01] <fta> but we still want to control who pushes stuff to PPA, impossible if we hand the team over to upstream
[20:01] <asac> BUGabundo: its about preventing team inflation (aka creating a new team for each and every thing you want to run)
[20:01] <asac> fta: right. thats why we should prefix it with ~ubuntu- ... so no need to hand it over
[20:02] <asac> that was the point i tried to make above
[20:02] <asac> (i talked about projects)
[20:02] <asac> 20:58 < asac> but i think projects are ok to not prefix if we are open to hand them over to the upstream project if they want to
[20:02] <asac> 20:58 < asac> while we cannot really hand over teams where we run PPAs on imo
[20:03] <BUGabundo> ahh
[20:03] <fta> initially, i just wanted to change ~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa into ~ubuntu-mozilla/+archive/daily and add ~ubuntu-mozilla/+archive/releases
[20:03] <fta> but not reorganize the teams
[20:03] <micahg> fta: so stuff like the dailies and rcs are different?
[20:04] <micahg> or would you put actual release versions in there?
[20:04] <fta> i mean, for me, songbird is different from mozilla, chromium is different from o3d even if they are both from google, etc..
[20:04] <asac> micahg: in the end we want PPAs for dailies, milestones, releases
[20:05] <fta> micahg, mostly tags, kind of automatic backports
[20:05] <micahg> sounds good to me
[20:05] <asac> fta: right thats why i like to move everything to a team called ~ubuntu-webapps
[20:05] <asac> like the idea
[20:06] <fta> i don't, too many stuff will end in there with the same rights, meaning new contributors to project x will gain privileges on everything else
[20:16] <BUGabundo> shouldn't
[20:16] <BUGabundo> LP allows permition per user per package/branch
[20:16] <BUGabundo> so you can allow micahg to upload to daily but not rc
[20:17] <asac> BUGabundo: no thats not possible atm afaik
[20:17] <asac> but maybe we get that feature now that the archive reorganisation starts
[20:17] <asac> err component reorganization
[20:18] <asac> i guess i have to look up cjwatsons mail again
[20:18] <asac> but first dinner ;)
[20:18]  * BUGabundo hands asac two sardines
[20:19] <BUGabundo> lookout they are hot
[20:19] <fta> i still don't know where to push o3d
[20:20] <micahg> hmm, a micahg buildbot...
[20:21] <BUGabundo> lolololol
[20:22] <BUGabundo> fta: not sure what o3d is, but if it is google, lets go with asac idea: ubuntu-webapps/3rdparty/google/o3d
[20:22] <fta> too many levels
[20:22] <fta> impossible
[20:22] <BUGabundo> not sure "3rd party" is need
[20:22] <BUGabundo> ok remove it then
[20:23] <fta> team/project/flavor
[20:23] <fta> x/o3d/daily
[20:23] <micahg> and flavor is ppa name?
[20:23] <fta> yes
[20:24] <fta> instead of x/o3d-daily/ppa
[20:24] <asac> fta: err. thats the hierarchy for branches.
[20:24] <asac> ppas dont have projects
[20:24] <asac> so its x/+archive/project-flavour
[20:24] <asac> ok now off for dinner
[20:27] <fta> whatever
[20:27] <fta> it will end up once again in my ppa :(
[20:28] <fta> or i just hold the push until hell freezes over
[20:29] <BUGabundo> aahahahah
[20:29]  * BUGabundo listen to fta mumuring: or push it to a new ppa
[20:31] <fta> flash stole my keyboard again
[20:32] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[20:32] <BUGabundo> open this link : www.fta.com
[20:33] <fta> yeah, i know
[20:33] <BUGabundo> just trying to help
[21:15] <asac> http://blog.mozilla.com/cjones/2009/06/21/multi-process-firefox-coming-to-an-internets-near-you/
[21:17] <micahg> cool
[21:27]  * fta is waiting for the hell to cool down
[21:27] <asac> hehe
[21:28] <asac> fta: ~ubuntu-webapps-archive
[21:28] <asac> ;)
[21:28] <asac> with restricted policy ;)
[21:30] <micahg> asac: is there a sudo firefox reference that it's a no no
[21:31] <asac> i dont think we have it. just say them that they shouldnt do that
[21:31] <micahg> did that already :)
[21:31] <asac> and ask them for their use-case if they complain
[21:32] <BUGabundo> asac: when is that ?
[21:33] <asac> BUGabundo: when is what?
[21:33] <BUGabundo> the FF multiprocess ?
[21:36] <asac> probably not for 3.5 ;)
[21:37] <asac> hopefully for whatever comes after that
[21:37] <BUGabundo> 3.6?
[21:37] <asac> the next version is unknown
[21:37] <asac> maybe 3.6 or maybe 4.0?;)
[21:42] <fta> or maybe never, like moz2
[21:43] <fta> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/28252284/o3d-plugin_<IP_ADDRESS>%7Esvn20090619r18874-0ubuntu1_i386.deb if someone want to try
[21:43] <fta> no amd64
[21:43] <BUGabundo> then not me
[21:43] <BUGabundo> lo
[21:43] <BUGabundo> lol
[21:43] <BUGabundo> fta: what was moz2?
[21:44] <fta> the graal
[21:44] <asac> moz2 is still planned
[21:44] <fta> holy grail
[21:44] <asac> its just that it gets more difficult now that moz tries to do quick release cycles (9-12 month)
[21:46]  * micahg likes faster release cycles
[21:46] <asac> i agree. what i dont like are the faster security cycles
[21:46] <asac> previously 3 ... now 1 month
[21:48] <fta> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Content_Processes
[21:52] <BUGabundo> ahaha
[21:52] <BUGabundo> more ff work asac
[21:54] <micahg> asac: isn't that better for security :)
[21:55] <asac> not so sure.
[21:55] <asac> problem is that when users become annoyed, they wont do security updates
[21:55] <micahg> yeah
[21:55] <micahg> but Microsoft does monthly patching
[21:56] <micahg> so converts would be used to it
[21:56] <fta> BUGabundo, that was 140, no more
[21:56] <micahg> and regular linux users are used to updates I woudl think
[21:56] <BUGabundo> ahah
[22:05] <fta> lol, star trek 3. "enter auto destruct code part 1", "1..A..", "now part 2", "1A..2..B", "now part 3", "1A2B..3..C", "confirmed, now enter the final code to start the countdown", "...0...0......0........0". *****boom***
[22:05] <micahg> no, It's zero, zero, zero, destruct, zero
[22:06] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[22:06] <fta> micahg, good memory?
[22:06] <micahg> :D
[22:07] <asac> what is star trek 3 title?
[22:07] <micahg> The Search for Spock
[22:07] <fta> micahg, or you're a hard core fan?
[22:07] <micahg> :D
[22:10] <micahg> Here's the sequence with a song
[22:10] <micahg> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeW_TwyDGIU&feature=related
[22:12] <BUGabundo> LOOLOL
[22:12]  * BUGabundo watcs
[22:14] <BUGabundo> micahg:  					YouTube is down for maintenance and will be back shortly.
[22:14] <BUGabundo> duh
[22:14]  * micahg doesn't run youtube