[05:02] <arrenlex> geeksauce: But... it didn't change.
[05:02] <betatux> Ironhand, I had SynCE running with a Qtek s100 with WinMobile 2003 , but now I have a Qteks200 with WinMobile 2005 and can't get it to work yet.
[05:03] <Madpilot> Kannaida: set up a dual boot, XP & Ubuntu, and go for it.
[05:03] <Kannaida> arrenlex: yep, and at my college... so much not fun to go from that to a job that says "oh, you know MFC, right?"
[05:03] <omeil> or do u mean any games that use opengl?
[05:03] <tannerld> what is the terminal command to get the title of a window/program?
[05:03] <yurimxpxman> do any of you know how to use ubuntu server?
[05:03] <kelsin> omeil: I meant any opengl game
[05:03] <betatux> skirk, what filesystem is the usbdisk using ?
[05:03] <kelsin> omeil: as opposed to a 3d game that uses directx
[05:03] <omeil> through ubuntu?
[05:03] <watson540> hey i need a little herlp, didnt there used to be an http ubuntu repo? i need to install some junk to get my wireless working so i want to download the debs i need beforehand and transfer them via memory stick..i used to be able to do this but i cant seem to find the http repo anymore
[05:03] <geeksauce> arrenlex, for some reason testparm isn't showing the added variables, but i looked and they are there
[05:03] <skirk> betatux, I dont know....How I can see this?
[05:04] <kamui> anyone familiar with what I would need to get my new tablet pc's screen rotation button to be recognized in edgy?  I've already written the rotate / counter rotate scripts for both the wacom and screen, I just need to map them to the button, but it doesn't seem to respond to anything
[05:04] <arrenlex> tannerld: xprop WM_NAME
[05:04] <arrenlex> tannerld: And click on it.
[05:04] <yurimxpxman> someone please help me with my ubuntu server. I need to know how to give the FTP users access /var/www
[05:04] <kelsin> omeil: yes, with wine > 9.28 I've played WoW, Warcraft III, and Starcraft perfectly just by installing and running on debian, ubuntu, and fedora
[05:04] <Kannaida> but as I said, it seems like the U.S. gov't is leaning towards linux (for some fairly obvious reasons) so I thought I could increase my security by being a bit more flexible ;)
[05:04] <arrenlex> geeksauce: *shrug* Alrighty. Well, I'm glad it actually works!
[05:04] <arrenlex> geeksauce: Enjoy xD Sorry for making you go through all that.
[05:04] <omeil> wine is being gay at the moment
[05:04] <watson540> is there a http repo anymore/.
[05:04] <omeil> seems to be conflicting with my nvidia card.
[05:04] <long_duck_dong>  I am new to Ubuntu and I am having trouble getting the 6.10 to even boot on my laptop....... need help
[05:05] <omeil> so thats why i have to try to install with by compiling the sourcfe
[05:05] <omeil> source*
[05:05] <yurimxpxman> someone please help me.. I need to get this done very fast. I need to know how to give my FTP users access to /var/www
[05:05] <Kannaida> as far as software dev goes... is there a big difference between linux distro's if I'm looking to write fairly generic apps?
[05:05] <skirk> betatux, I dont know....How I can see this?
[05:05] <betatux> skirk, if it's a ntfs filesystem you need to read this : http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_mount_Windows_partitions_.28NTFS.29_on_boot-up.2C_and_allow_users_read_and_write_access
[05:05] <Kannaida> differences in UI coding, etc
[05:05] <Xenguy> yurimxpxman: you need chmod and chown - a good file manager might help, but command-line can do it
[05:05] <Madpilot> Kannaida: not really, a lot of the underlying stuff is similar/identical across distros.
[05:05] <skirk> ok betatux
[05:05] <skirk> thank
[05:06] <Madpilot> Kannaida: the differences for UI stuff will be Gnome vs KDE vs XFCE etc
[05:06] <arrenlex> Kannaida: No. The UI is handled by toolkit libraries: the main ones are gtk and qt, and those are available on all modern distros and even on windows.
[05:06] <Xenguy> yurimxpxman: as root, chmod 755 <all directories>
[05:06] <geeksauce> arrenlex, don't apologize... i'm just glad it works.  thanks for spending all that time helping me.  nothing like spending a friday night helping a stranger, :P  i'm definitely saving that file now in case i need to reformat
[05:06] <betatux> skirk, when you type mount , there's 'type ext3' for example and (rw) for read write
[05:06] <arrenlex> geeksauce: Stop reminding me I don't have a life. :)
[05:06] <Xenguy> yurimxpxman: as root, chmod 644 <all files>
[05:06] <Kannaida> Madpilot: thanx... I have so much aprehension... not that I don't think I *can* do it, but more that.. well... it gets intimidating
[05:06] <Kannaida> thanks to arrenlex too
[05:06] <Xenguy> yurimxpxman: assume for now that 'ownership'/'chown' stuff is OK
[05:06] <armenb> are there other ubuntu channels i can trol for help in?
[05:06] <Madpilot> Kannaida: ya, been there, done that, got over it. Best of luck, have fun. :)
[05:07] <yurimxpxman> Xenguy: do you mean <all files> literally as a command?
[05:07] <TLP-CD> ok, i sorted out the short cut problem
[05:07] <Kannaida> Madpilot: haha, thanx
[05:07] <Xenguy> yurimxpxman: no
[05:07] <kamui> whats the command to test key inputs that the xorg server is recieving?  Im ultimately trying to map my tablet pc's rotation button to a rotate script I wrote
[05:07] <armenb> this stuff is frustrating me.
[05:07] <geeksauce> arrenlex, hey man, neither do i.  i'm in my room tinkering with linux too :P
[05:07] <Ironman273> Can someone help me install some software that needs to be compiled?
[05:07] <arrenlex> Kannaida: Where you get into problems is the different libraries. Often the versions of the libraries are different between distros and they change with time since there's nothing like in windows where they have to keep exact compatibilty or corporate vendors will yell at them.
[05:07] <Xenguy> yurimxpxman: you substitute proper names
[05:07] <l2s> Is 6.10 going to stop being supported?
[05:07] <Kannaida> I'm thinking about an OS change, and I don't recall having been this nervous the first time I turned on a computer... hehe
[05:07] <SanityInAnarchy> iptables... why does DNAT no longer work?
[05:07] <long_duck_dong>  I am new to Ubuntu and I am having trouble getting the 6.10 to even boot on my laptop?
[05:07] <long_duck_dong>  I am new to Ubuntu and I am having trouble getting the 6.10 to even boot on my laptop?
[05:07] <long_duck_dong>  I am new to Ubuntu and I am having trouble getting the 6.10 to even boot on my laptop?
[05:07] <long_duck_dong>  I am new to Ubuntu and I am having trouble getting the 6.10 to even boot on my laptop?
[05:07] <arrenlex> !ops
[05:07] <ubotu> Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Burgundavia, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos or tonyyarusso
[05:07] <Madpilot> l2s: not for a long while yet
[05:07] <xtknight> long_duck_dong: 'cause you're spamming
[05:07] <omeil> umm does ubuntu have any end taking softare similair to windows endtask?
[05:07] <Xenguy> yurimxpxman: if you need sub-directories done too, use the '-R' argument to either chmod or chown
[05:07] <long_duck_dong> i am not spamming
[05:07] <omeil> tasking
[05:07] <arrenlex> Kannaida: That's why a lot of software on Linux is either distributed from source or downloaded directly from the distro repositories.
[05:08] <Xenguy> yurimxpxman: '-R' stands for 'recursive'
[05:08] <TLP-CD> stop spamming....if you worry about "support", use 6.06 LTS
[05:08] <SanityInAnarchy> omeil:  killall
[05:08] <tonyyarusso> long_duck_dong: Pasting the same line four times is definitely spamming.
[05:08] <SanityInAnarchy> omeil:  also xkill and others
[05:08] <watson540> Is there no http ubuntu repo anymore?? I used to be able to download the debs i needed then transfer them to a sandbox via memory stick
[05:08] <gnomefreak> !repeat | long_duck_dong
[05:08] <ubotu> long_duck_dong: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[05:08] <Madpilot> omeil: for RAM management & such? Let Ubuntu deal with your RAM, Linux is far better at RAM management than XP
[05:08] <omeil> that dosen't make any sence to me :)
[05:08] <Kannaida> arrenlex: so I would be better off knowing which distro(s) I could be developing for?
[05:08] <long_duck_dong> I had typed in my question 3 0r 4 times with no response
[05:08] <Kaline_> Not sure, how long do they support non-LTS releases?
[05:08] <arrenlex> Kannaida: So you would be better off writing open source. :)
[05:08] <Ironman273> Can someone help with an installation?
[05:08] <nalioth> !patience | long_duck_dong
[05:08] <ubotu> long_duck_dong: The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[05:08] <yurimxpxman> Xenguy: now how do I access those?
[05:08] <Madpilot> Kaline_: 18 months
[05:08] <Kannaida> hahaha
[05:08] <Xenguy> yurimxpxman: I'm assuming this is a permissions issue BTW
[05:09] <arrenlex> Kannaida: What are you laughing at?
[05:09] <TLP-CD> ...anybody have any luck in trying to get their sd card slot to work?
[05:09] <armenb> great.
[05:09] <omeil> long duck dong instead of saying you have a problem. why not just state your problem?
[05:09] <yurimxpxman> Xenguy: yes, it is. What user do I login to the FTP as to access /var/www?
[05:09] <Xenguy> yurimxpxman: access? what do you mean?  Get a terminal window up
[05:09] <yurimxpxman> ok
[05:09] <armenb> i just overwrote my initrd image.
[05:09] <Kannaida> arrenlex: how far this all is from what I *thought* I knew...
[05:09] <geeksauce> arrenlex, before i forget, what file do i need to add any mount instructions to in order to mount a volume on startup?
[05:09] <Xenguy> Turgon: use 'sudo' before all those commands
[05:09] <Ironman273> What is "svn checkout"?
[05:09] <long_duck_dong> i will state the problem, brb
[05:09] <Xenguy> yurimxpxman: use 'sudo' before all those commands
[05:09] <armenb> ironman - it's what you do to check code out of a subversion repository
[05:09] <Kannaida> you'd think with 6 years in IT I wouldn't feel so... ignorant.  Oh well, time to learn I guess
[05:09] <arrenlex> geeksauce: A samba volume?
[05:10] <TLP-CD> ...again, has anybody had any luck getting their sd card slot to work?
[05:10] <Xenguy> yurimxpxman: that will give you 'root' privileges
[05:10] <arrenlex> geeksauce: Euh... I don't do that, so I can't help you there, sorry. Google for "fstab samba" or ask around.
[05:10] <yurimxpxman> Xenguy: I'm logged in as root (text mode) and I'm trying to log into my server from a Windows computer and access /var/www to edit my website, but vsftpd won't let me login as root
[05:10] <betatux> kamui you could make a program that catches keystrokes and mouse events using the Xlib library
[05:10] <Ironman273> armenb: and how would I use that?
[05:10] <Madpilot> Kannaida: six years in Windows IT, though, right? Not the same animal, except for the basic hardware.
[05:10] <Kaline_> Anyone 'ere using irssi?
[05:10] <armenb> ironman - what are you trying to do?
[05:11] <Ironman273> armenb: Build SynCE
[05:11] <geeksauce> arrenlex, nah it's unrelated.  it's ntfs.  i have to mount it every time with "sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /media/servitup -t ntfs -r -o umask=0222"
[05:11] <arrenlex> geeksauce: Oh! I can do that.
[05:11] <Xenguy> yurimxpxman: If you want to modify remote configurations, then you need to 'ssh' into the remote box I think
[05:11] <omeil> I guess it its quite hard for wine to run alot of programs considering linux dosen't have every dll library that windows uses for external programs.
[05:11] <arrenlex> geeksauce: Here's one line of mine from /etc/fstab. It should help you.
[05:11] <tannerld> is it possible to minimize a window when it becomes active using shell?
[05:11] <arrenlex> /dev/sda10      /win/E          ntfs    ro,users,umask=000           0       0
[05:11] <TLP-CD> crossover office anyone?
[05:11] <Kannaida> Madpilot: I know, but 6 years with Windows and I'm thinking "I can do that" and then I think to try something new... it's tough getting used to being at the bottom again (not that I was on the top, but I wasn't on the bottom either)
[05:11] <kamui> betatux: I just used acpi_listen AND xev, and when I press the tablet pc's rotation button, NO events.  so I don't think ill ever get em working
[05:11] <Xenguy> yurimxpxman: do you have an ssh server running on the remote box?
[05:11] <yurimxpxman> Xenguy: I'm at the server terminal right now
[05:12] <Xenguy> yurimxpxman: if so, then get a 'putty' ssh client on the local box and use that to connect via ssh to the remote box
[05:12] <omeil> so is ubuntu the most advanced distro?
[05:12] <yurimxpxman> Xenguy: I don't know what you mean
[05:12] <omeil> because i was always tempted by Suse
[05:12] <arrenlex> Kannaida: It was really tough when I switched to Linux and I had no idea how to even give a file path. I had no idea how the filesystem syntax worked. I had to learn to use the command line even though I'd never even seen it before!
[05:12] <Dr_willis> omeil,  wine is impressive that it works at all.
[05:12] <Xenguy> yurimxpxman: OK, I thought you were on a windows box for some reason
[05:12] <arrenlex> Kannaida: But I figured it out and I'd never go back now :)
[05:12] <Madpilot> Kannaida: Windows "power users" often have a harder time getting used to Ubuntu/Linux/etc than ppl who just want "browsing & email" to work...
[05:12] <darehanl> Hi, my laptop is refusing to boot flight 4: I/O error. Error reading boot CD.
[05:12] <yurimxpxman> Xenguy: I'm on a Windows laptop at the moment, but also in front of my Linux terminal
[05:12] <Dr_willis> omeil,  last review i saw of suse said suse was 'ok' but ubuntu gives it a run for its money.
[05:12] <TheLance> hey guys quick question is there a way to install ubuntu on the HD without a reformat of the harddrive?
[05:13] <yurimxpxman> Xenguy: I'm trying to access /var/www via FTP from the Windows laptop
[05:13] <Kannaida> arrenlex: That's actually really comforting. I know I'll still need a Windows box for some of my work, but it's really quite intimidating.
[05:13] <arrenlex> TheLance: The default installer does not reformat.
[05:13] <TheLance> ther eis a bunch of stuff in the homefolder i want backed up
[05:13] <Madpilot> darehanl: try #ubuntu+1 for Feisty
[05:13] <Xenguy> yurimxpxman: I may be too tired to think straight; I'm finding communication hard right now :-)
[05:13] <arrenlex> Kannaida: Just keep trying and ask over here if you need help :) you'll get it in no time.
[05:13] <darehanl> Madpilot: Okay, thanks
[05:13] <TheLance> will it delete all my stuff in hte home folder?
[05:13] <geeksauce> arrenlex, so i just need to add the line "sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /media/servitup -t ntfs -r -o umask=0222" to fstab?
[05:13] <TheLance> i have really important data on it
[05:13] <Kannaida> arrenlex: thanks
[05:13] <arrenlex> geeksauce: Nope.
[05:13] <Xenguy> yurimxpxman: I'll review the thread and contribute what I can
[05:13] <TheLance> that i need ot get from
[05:13] <TheLance> i got a external HD enclosure
[05:13] <yurimxpxman> Xenguy: what thread? I haven't started one yet lol
[05:14] <arrenlex> geeksauce: I guess you missed it since I didn't put your name on it
[05:14] <arrenlex> geeksauce: Here's one line of mine from /etc/fstab. It should help you.
[05:14] <TheLance> but windows won't recognize the HD
[05:14] <Kannaida> Madpilot: I don't know how "Power" of a windows user I am... but I *like* to think I'm fairly good at picking up new concepts... I guess I'm going to find out pretty soon...
[05:14] <arrenlex> geeksauce: /dev/sda10      /win/E          ntfs    ro,users,umask=000           0       0
[05:14] <GaiaX11> !enter| TheLance
[05:14] <ubotu> TheLance: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[05:14] <yurimxpxman> could anyone else please help me? I'm trying to give my FTP users access to /var/www
[05:14] <geeksauce> arrenlex, oh ok.  no no "mount" command is needed?
[05:14] <xtknight> how do you see a list of packages available from a certain repository?  For example how do i check if janvitus carries wine, for example?  (via debian pkg system, besides going to jan's website)
[05:15] <arrenlex> geeksauce: Nope, fstab is the special configuration file for systems that are mounted at boot. It's not a shell script.
[05:15] <Dr_willis> geeksauce,  ya may want to read up on the differances between mounting somthing from the terminal with the 'mount' command and a entry in the fstab file. :)
[05:15] <tannerld> is it possible to minimize a window when it becomes active using shell?
[05:15] <Madpilot> xtknight: best place for wine is probably wine's own repo - try #winehq
[05:15] <TheLance> does reinstalling ubuntu delete all the data in my home folder? I dont want that to happen because i have really important DATA on it
[05:15] <Xenguy> yurimxpxman: everything you say is a thread :-) Anyhow, you're on a d0ze box and trying to connect up with a linux server, or what?
[05:15] <xtknight> Madpilot: yeah  i know that, wine was really just an example
[05:15] <Dr_willis> geeksauce,  how linux mounts drives is proberly oone of the top 10 'things' to learn about :)  it pays to know it very well
[05:15] <TheLance> I tried to get an external enclosure but windows won't detect the HD so I cant back anything up on it
[05:16] <GaiaX11> TheLance: No
[05:16] <Madpilot> TheLance: is your /home a separate partition?
[05:16] <arrenlex> geeksauce: /dev/hdb1      /media/servitup          ntfs    ro,users,umask=0222           0       0
[05:16] <TheLance> no its not
[05:16] <arrenlex> geeksauce: (in case couldn't didn't translate it)
[05:16] <llama32> i broke automount. how do i fix it?
[05:16] <Ironman273> betatux: you don't see my replies?
[05:17] <Madpilot> xtknight: if you've got the full set of official Ubuntu repos enabled, you should be good to go, and not care where things come from. 3rd party repos can be trouble...
[05:17] <yurimxpxman> Xenguy: I'm on a Windows Vista laptop, trying to connect to my Linux server. The Linux server is sitting next to me (text mode). I have vsFTPd and LAMP working, but I need to give my FTP users full RW access to /var/www so we can edit the website remotely via FTP
[05:17] <TheLance> so reinstalling ubuntu will not delete my home folder?
[05:17] <betatux> Ironman273, no i'm not getting them , are you IDENTIFIED ? you can only send priv msg's when you're registered and identified
[05:17] <Madpilot> TheLance: that depends on your setup. it might.
[05:17] <armenb> ironman - where does it say you build from subversion?
[05:17] <xtknight> Madpilot: i do care because one repo may carry a newer version.  also when i get weird err msgs like it's not available for my arch or it's a pseudo package or something, i would like to know to be able to debug...not very often but it comes in handy
[05:17] <Xenguy> yurimxpxman: so apply the 'chmod' 'chown' advice to the server, yes?
[05:17] <TheLance> what would i hav eto do to not get it to be deleted
[05:18] <Ironman273> betatux:  Hmm, guess not.  I'm new to IRC
[05:18] <Jrabbit> #BDSM-Bijou
[05:18] <kevogod> If your home folder is not aon a separate partition, there is a great chance you will lose it when you reinstall.
[05:18] <Jrabbit> whoops
[05:18] <geeksauce> arrenlex, thanks :)  just so i know the why and not just the how, what is the umask variable and what are those 0's for at the end, and do the extra spaces matter?
[05:18] <Xenguy> yurimxpxman: what's the next step for you?
[05:18] <TheLance> is it possible to put the home folder in a swap partition for a while?
[05:18] <Ironman273> armenb: I'm trying to follow these instructions: http://www.synce.org/index.php/Building_SynCE_with_Windows_Mobile_2005_support_from_Subversion
[05:18] <yurimxpxman> Xenguy: I need to change my user's home folder to /var/www
[05:18] <pirothezero> wheres the ubuntudev irc?
[05:18] <Madpilot> xtknight: the only time you're likely to get error msgs like that is if you're stirring in 3rd party or non-ubuntu repos - using Debian repos is a classic way to break your Ubuntu, for example
[05:18] <omeil> is compiling from source dangerous?
[05:18] <Xenguy> yurimxpxman: don't do that
[05:18] <arrenlex> geeksauce: The spaces don't matter, they're just tabs so the fstab is divided into columns and is easy to read.
[05:19] <yurimxpxman> Xenguy: Then how can I access that folder from my FTP client?
[05:19] <TLP-CD> what version of fluxbox should i install and which way is the easiest to do it?
[05:19] <arrenlex> geeksauce: As for the umask, do you know about file permissions?
[05:19] <Xenguy> yurimxpxman: that is just a bad idea(TM)
[05:19] <tannerld> is it possible to minimize a window when it becomes active using shell?
[05:19] <GaiaX11> TheLance: Why don't you make a home folder backupe then?
[05:19] <GaiaX11> TheLance: Why don't you make a home folder backup then?
[05:19] <Xenguy> yurimxpxman: you directly change permissions on /var/www
[05:19] <TheLance> well the problem is
[05:19] <Xenguy> yurimxpxman: with 'chmod' and 'chown'
[05:19] <TheLance> ubuntu wont even boot up for me anymore
[05:19] <GaiaX11> !enter| TheLance
[05:19] <ubotu> TheLance: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[05:19] <omeil> if i type sudo apt-get install xchat will that try to install xchat?
[05:20] <Dr_willis> omeil,  yes.. try it and see
[05:20] <Madpilot> omeil: yes
[05:20] <Xenguy> yurimxpxman: you need to use 'sudo' (i.e. be 'root')
[05:20] <xtknight> Madpilot:  ok, i assume you don't know ;)  honestly i just want to know for the sake of knowing.
[05:20] <TheLance> the only way to fix my problem is a reinstall and I don't have a way to back it up
[05:20] <omeil> oh ok :) im kinda new to this.
[05:20] <TLP-CD> is there a difference between putting just "su" or "sudo"?
[05:20] <yurimxpxman> Xenguy: I did that, but I don't know how to access that folder from my FTP now
[05:20] <dr1v3r> ok guys how far ahead of debian is ubuntu?
[05:20] <shatrat> TLP-CD, su is for switch user
[05:20] <omeil> oh and does compliling software from source dangerous in anyway?
[05:20] <arrenlex> dr1v3r: In what way?
[05:20] <GaiaX11> TheLance: Why not?
[05:20] <geeksauce> arrenlex, i don't have the whole thing memorized, but i get the jist of it.  what about the extra zero's all spaced out at the end of the line?
[05:21] <shatrat> TLP-CD, sudo is to do something as super user
[05:21] <Dr_willis> TheLance,  boot live cd, manyally mount th eexternal usb drive.. copy stuff over.
[05:21] <Xenguy> yurimxpxman: you don't use FTP right now...
[05:21] <TLP-CD> ah
[05:21] <dr1v3r> as in package releases, are they quicker than them at getting stable ones?
[05:21] <dr1v3r> *making them stable
[05:21] <yurimxpxman> Xenguy: What do I do then? I want to access my www folder via FTP
[05:21] <TheLance> yeah but the external HD won't let me write to it in ubuntu
[05:21] <shatrat> TLP-CD, su is kind of frowned on in ubuntu, its better to use sudo -i as interactive sudo, than to log in as root
[05:21] <yurimxpxman> Xenguy: I ran chmod and chown
[05:21] <Xenguy> yurimxpxman:  you log into the server, get a command-line, get root, then do your changed permissions -- does that make sense?
[05:21] <arrenlex> geeksauce: look at the top line of your fstab: those zeros correspond to the <dump>  <pass> columns.
[05:21] <bean-oh> is there an easy way to reset the gnome interface to defaults without creating a new user?
[05:22] <yurimxpxman> Xenguy: I've done that, but I don't know how to access it from the FTP client
[05:22] <shatrat> bean-oh, rename your .gnome ffolder
[05:22] <arrenlex> geeksauce: These are magical and mystical columns and I will explain to you what they do in just a moment.
[05:22] <notarrenlex> What do the <dump> and <pass> columns do?
[05:22] <GaiaX11> TheLance: make a cdrom backup
[05:22] <yurimxpxman> Xenguy: that's why I thought I ought to change the home folder to /var/www
[05:22] <seravitae> how can i see usb errors? on bootup one of my device errored out
[05:22] <lordkeiden> how can I resize the partition that ubuntu is installed on. I booted with the 6.1 live cd and ran gparted. it would not allow me to shrink the second partition from the front. sda1 is my windows partition, and sda2 is for ubuntu. I need to give windows back a few gig i took from it when i did the install.
[05:22] <Xenguy> yurimxpxman: thanks for telling me you actually ran chmod/chown -- that is relevant troubleshooting information :-)
[05:22] <yurimxpxman> Xenguy: what's next?
[05:22] <geeksauce> notarrenlex, haha ok cool
[05:22] <TLP-CD> now that's cleared up...how to i get my sd cardslot working?
[05:22] <Xenguy> yurimxpxman: I can hardly tell :p
[05:22] <TheLance> how? The LivecD in in the drive and has no burning software
[05:22] <armenb> ok. i found my problem.
[05:23] <bean-oh> shatrat, .gnome? or .gconf?
[05:23] <Xenguy> yurimxpxman: so you've changed permissions?
[05:23] <long_duck_dong> I boot from the 6.10 cd, it gives me the login screen and when it tries to log in i get an error stating.. "Your session only lasted less than 10 seconds. If you have not logged out yourself, this could mean that there is some installation problem or that you may be out of disk space. Try logging in with one of the failsafe sessions to see if you can fix this problem"
[05:23] <armenb> my problem is that i made a 200MB / once upon a time.
[05:23] <TheLance> i cant make a copy of anything gaiax11
[05:23] <yurimxpxman> Xenguy: yes. What's the terminal command to change my home folder?
[05:23] <shatrat> bean-oh, i guess it is .gconf
[05:23] <armenb> and i symlinked /lib/modules to /usr/lib/modules
[05:23] <Xenguy> yurimxpxman: is yes, then you need an FTP client to test connect to the FTP server, yes?
[05:23] <Dr_willis> !terminal
[05:23] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[05:23] <Kannaida> Alright... so I effectively have one box right now (this one).  If I were to... oh, I don't know... blow it away and load Ubuntu... is that a bad idea?
[05:23] <armenb> which is bad bad bad
[05:23] <bean-oh> ok, let me try. brb
[05:23] <armenb> because the modules are really not mounted when looking for them.
[05:23] <bean-oh> thanks
[05:23] <GaiaX11> TheLance: Why not?
[05:23] <TheLance> i think i might have to gettingt a second hd and backup everything that way
[05:23] <Xenguy> yurimxpxman: you do *not* change the /home folder (that's directory) OK?
[05:23] <TheLance> i'm in it right now
[05:23] <Xenguy> yurimxpxman: this is about /var/www
[05:23] <Kannaida> do I need a "fall back" box that I can guarantee I can get online with to get help?
[05:23] <arrenlex> geeksauce: Anyway, google can tell you what they do, I'm sure. I just know that sometimes those numbers are 1 and not 0, and that they don't change anything I can see.
[05:23] <TheLance> no burning software available
[05:24] <Shadow_mil> how do I reconfigure xorg.conf?
[05:24] <Shadow_mil> is there a tool for that?
[05:24] <yurimxpxman> Xenguy: I know.. I want to change my home folder to /var/www =P
[05:24] <arrenlex> Shadow_mil: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:24] <GaiaX11> TheLance: borrow from someone.
[05:24] <Madpilot> Kannaida: burn a LiveCD before you nuke your current box, make sure it works, you'll always have a working OS that way
[05:24] <yurimxpxman> Xenguy: That's the only way I can access that dir from my FTP client
[05:24] <Xenguy> yurimxpxman: that's it - enough
[05:24] <arrenlex> geeksauce: anyway, permissions. Every file on the Linux filesystem has the following set of permissions
[05:24] <Kannaida> Madpilot: sounds good to me
[05:24] <dr1v3r> so guys roughly how long after a package is released would it be stable on ubuntu?
[05:24] <TheLance> gaiax11 well thats what i need to do
[05:24] <Xenguy> yurimxpxman: seek help elsewhere
[05:24] <arrenlex> geeksauce: ?rwxrxxrxx
[05:24] <Shadow_mil> arrenlex: thats
[05:24] <Shadow_mil> thanks
[05:24] <omeil> shadow what do u need to configure?
[05:24] <arrenlex> geeksauce: ?rwxrwxrwx
[05:24] <omeil> in xorg.conf
[05:24] <tannerld> can one get window information from the shell
[05:25] <Madpilot> Kannaida: or just set up a dualboot with whatever is on the box currently
[05:25] <arrenlex> geeksauce: This is three blocks of "rwx" which correspond to read, write and execute.
[05:25] <Kannaida> Madpilot: LiveCD is maybe best option for now... it's like a trial, right?
[05:25] <GaiaX11> tannerld: Which info?
[05:25] <tannerld> GaiaX11: like the title and state
[05:25] <Madpilot> Kannaida: yes, but there's an option to install right from the LiveCD, which is very cool.
[05:25] <arrenlex> geeksauce: the first block of rwx is what the owner of the file can do. The second block of rwx is what the group which owns the file can do. The third block of rwx is what everyone else can do.
[05:26] <lordkeiden> how can I resize the partition that ubuntu is installed on. I booted with the 6.1 live cd and ran gparted. it would not allow me to shrink the second partition from the front. sda1 is my windows partition, and sda2 is for ubuntu. I need to give windows back a few gig i took from it when i did the install.
[05:26] <arrenlex> geeksauce: The ? at the beginning denotes special setting for the file which aren't important and you shouldn't mess with, like the sticky bit.
[05:26] <GaiaX11> tannerld: What Title and state ?
[05:26] <geeksauce> arrenlex, ah i gotcha.
[05:27] <Dr_willis> lordkeiden,  check the parted/gparted docs. that may be a limittion, and they may give some work arounds
[05:27] <GaiaX11> tannerld: be more specific.
[05:27] <Kannaida> Madpilot: cool, that may be the best way to go for now.
[05:27] <tannerld> GaiaX11: of a program; state like (active, minimized...)
[05:27] <arrenlex> geeksauce: So, rw-rw-rw- means everyone can read and write to the file, but no one can execute it.
[05:27] <omeil> whats the best irc client for ubuntu
[05:27] <omeil> ?
[05:27] <long_duck_dong> I boot from the 6.10 cd, it gives me the login screen and when it tries to log in i get an error stating.. "Your session only lasted less than 10 seconds. If you have not logged out yourself, this could mean that there is some installation problem or that you may be out of disk space. Try logging in with one of the failsafe sessions to see if you can fix this problem"
[05:27] <xtknight> omeil: xchat
[05:27] <Kannaida> Madpilot: this way I have a chance to learn something before I have to tell my wife what to do ;)
[05:27] <omeil> dang lol
[05:27] <arrenlex> geeksauce: rwxrw-r-- means that the owner can read, write and execute the file, the group can read and write, and everyone else can read.
[05:27] <geeksauce> arrenlex, so how does that relate to umask?
[05:27] <omeil> xchat is being gay like wine :)
[05:27] <Madpilot> Kannaida: sounds like a plan
[05:27] <xtknight> lol
[05:28] <Kannaida> You guys have been great.  I really appreciate the help.  Have a goodnight all
[05:28] <arrenlex> geeksauce: These permission codes are represented numerically by three digits. 7=rwx, 0=---, and all combinations inbetween.
[05:28] <desi007> how do I force delete a file or folder
[05:28] <xtknight> !night
[05:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about night - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:28] <xtknight> aw
[05:28] <arrenlex> geeksauce: i.e. 6=rw-, etc.
[05:28] <GaiaX11> desi007: rm -fr
[05:28] <omeil> xtknight is your ubuntu configured properly?
[05:28] <xtknight> omeil: sure is
[05:28] <GaiaX11> desi007: rm -fr file/folder
[05:28] <arrenlex> geeksauce: When you change the permissions of the file, these are the codes you use. chmod 777 = rwxrwxrwx. chmod 700 = rwx------
[05:28] <omeil> can i see a screeny?
[05:28] <tannerld> GaiaX11: dont know eh? :P
[05:28] <omeil> :D
[05:29] <desi007> GaiaX11: Thanks :)
[05:29] <arrenlex> geeksauce: ntfs doesn't support permissions, or at least not the way Linux does it. So when you mount an ntfs partition, you use the umask=code to give everything in that partition the same permissions.
[05:29] <geeksauce> arrenlex, so which number is assigned to which combo?  is it just set or is there a reason behind it?
[05:29] <arrenlex> geeksauce: catch is that umask codes are exactly the opposite of chmod codes.
[05:29] <GaiaX11> tannerld: You did not explain your point better
[05:29] <GaiaX11> tannerld: sorry.
[05:30] <Coir> Does anyone know if there is a version of Ubuntu that books off a USB-drive for Intel Macs?
[05:30] <colbert> Hello, I have IDE1 partitioned with XP and a blank partition, IDE2 with Ubuntu installed and a SATA drive with VISTA, I am trying to restore Grub after having reinstalled XP and would like to have all options at boot, can someone help??
[05:30] <omeil> ./configure then make depend then make is the process of compiling?
[05:30] <Coir> As in, a small external HDD :-P
[05:30] <tannerld> GaiaX11: information of a program. title like the name of it and state like (active, minimized...)
[05:30] <kevogod> Is there a netinst version?
[05:30] <xtknight> omeil: sure why not.  taken 5 secs ago.  http://xtknight.atothosting.com/images/mydesktop.png
[05:30] <long_duck_dong> I boot from the 6.10 cd, it gives me the login screen and when it tries to log in i get an error stating.. "Your session only lasted less than 10 seconds. If you have not logged out yourself, this could mean that there is some installation problem or that you may be out of disk space. Try logging in with one of the failsafe sessions to see if you can fix this problem"
[05:30] <omeil> xtknight: thanks :D
[05:30] <GaiaX11> tannerld: ps -x
[05:30] <lordkeiden> Dr_willis: i was hopin someone knew a workaround for the stated limitation. the issue is that gparted cant move data out of the way, so the begining of the partition needs to be empty, but it fills up from the begining! I don't fancy copying 20GB to another drive via usb, and then manipulating the partitions as needed....then copying 20Gb back.
[05:30] <desi007> GaiaX11: Now it won't empty from trash :(
[05:31] <xtknight> gotta jet
[05:31] <xtknight> cya
[05:31] <arrenlex> geeksauce: Like this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7310/
[05:31] <Madpilot> long_duck_dong: that sounds like an error in the CD. Did you run the "test this CD" option from the first menu it shows you?
[05:31] <omeil> i tried linux mandrake before :D damn that was buggy :)
[05:31] <omeil> i restarted the computer normally then it never logged in again lol
[05:31] <tannerld> GaiaX11: do you know what the state letters mean?
[05:31] <khaije1> whats the feeling on the recent firefox bug the 'location.hostname'  ?
[05:31] <long_duck_dong> I never got that far cause I never saw that screen
[05:32] <Madpilot> long_duck_dong: did you run an md5sum on the ISO you downloaded?
[05:32] <long_duck_dong> can I do this from the failsafe terminal
[05:32] <long_duck_dong> no
[05:32] <Dr_willis> lordkeiden,  you MAY be able to shrink #2, then slide/move it to the right..  then expand #1
[05:32] <GaiaX11> desi007: man shred
[05:32] <long_duck_dong> no md5sum
[05:32] <gradin> ur... wrong window... :P
[05:32] <arrenlex> geeksauce: Anyway, umask permissions are the opposite of chmod permissions. So umask 000 = chmod 777 = full permissions.
[05:32] <jessie^^> anyone know how I can stop dhclient from editing my /etc/resolv.conf?
[05:32] <Wrongway> I'm getting an error trying to install thinliquidfilm... can anyone help?
[05:32] <Dr_willis> lordkeiden,  just 20gb? gesh... thats all? :) heh heh... oh for the good old days..
[05:32] <omeil> long duck what is ur laptop actualy doing?
[05:33] <arrenlex> geeksauce: In a sense, umask "masks out" the permissions you DON'T want to give, and chmod gives the permissions you DO want to give, so they are the reverse.
[05:33] <Madpilot> long_duck_dong: if you saw a login screen on the LiveCD, you went past the very first menu. Right after the LiveCD starts up, there's a menu with about 5 options, top is "Run/Install Ubuntu", a few down is "check this CD"
[05:33] <GaiaX11> tannerld: no
[05:33] <arrenlex> geeksauce: The umask mode you had set, 222, corresponds to r-xr-xr-x, which means everyone can read and execute files, but no one can write to them, which is fine because the system is read-only anyway.
[05:33] <tannerld> GaiaX11: ok, thanks :)
[05:33] <geeksauce> arrenlex, so each digit 0-7 has a unique value assigned to what combination of rwx?
[05:33] <arrenlex> geeksauce: That's right.
[05:33] <lordkeiden> Dr_willis: already tried that. i can shrink the end, but cant slide the partition into the newly created free space....
[05:34] <geeksauce> arrenlex, ah, i see
[05:34] <omeil> heaps of people are having video card compatability problems, most of them have to just configure the xorg.conf and change the nv or ati to VESA
[05:34] <omeil> then install the drivers manually later
[05:34] <armenb> is it possible to have a boot partition on something other than the first partition on a disk?
[05:34] <lordkeiden> Dr_willis: yeah...i remember wondering what I would ever do to fill my first 380MB drive!
[05:34] <arrenlex> geeksauce: Oh, an interesting tidbit is that changing to a folder is "executing" so you need execute permissions on folders you want to be able to open.
[05:34] <Dr_willis> lordkeiden,  cant think of any other good way to do it.. - you are talking to a person with 7 hd's in his machine. :) i know how I would do it.. but i am never hurting for space. heh heh
[05:34] <long_duck_dong> i will try the cd check and come back after!!!
[05:34] <Dr_willis> i got 1.25tb on this box.. in old drives..
[05:35] <Dr_willis> i could replace them all with like 2 hd.s now.
[05:35] <arrenlex> geeksauce: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7311/ thus
[05:35] <omeil> i don't think its the cd tho long duck :)
[05:35] <colbert> Hello, I have IDE1 partitioned with XP on first and then a empty partition, IDE2 with Ubuntu installed and a SATA drive with VISTA, I am trying to restore Grub after having reinstalled XP and would like to have all options at boot, can someone help??
[05:35] <geeksauce> arrenlex, lol yeah i set permissions wrong one time and couldn't open my own folder :-P
[05:35] <mikejanssen> i know this is a n00b question, but how do i install the firefox update to <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:35] <mikejanssen> = X
[05:35] <narg> !nvidia
[05:35] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:35] <Madpilot> Dr_willis: well, 3 drives, unless the HDDs larger than 500Gb have snuck out while I wasn't really watching.
[05:36] <omeil> how long does it take to compile wine from source?
[05:36] <Dr_willis> Madpilot,  i though 750's were out now.
[05:36] <gOLdenHaWK3D> hi all
[05:36] <Dr_willis> Madpilot,  and 1tb drives due out this year.
[05:36] <Madpilot> Dr_willis: might be, I haven't been paying attention past 500 ;)
[05:36] <lordkeiden> Dr_willis: my desktop maching is a lappy....but i am seriously considering losing the dvd and jury rigging in my 80GB IDE drive with a usb adapter!
[05:36] <arrenlex> geeksauce: So that's how it works.
[05:36] <desi007> Is there a way to create a desktop trash icon that will show empty when empty rather than always showing full?
[05:36] <gOLdenHaWK3D> Plz suggest a stable program for me to voice chat with my Yahoo! friends...
[05:36] <geeksauce> arrenlex, cool, thanks for explaining
[05:37] <arrenlex> geeksauce: Sure :)
[05:37] <Dr_willis> gOLdenHaWK3D,  you mean using Yahoo Messenger?
[05:37] <jmatus> I have question
[05:37] <arrenlex> geeksauce: Took me a while to understand wtf was going on myself.
[05:37] <long_duck_dong> I dont think it is either but I am checking anyway, brb
[05:37] <xerophyte> I compiled kernel 2.6.20 network card came back online all the suddent its down .. does anybody know why is that
[05:37] <gOLdenHaWK3D> Dr_willis: no, I use Edgy, and i want a client to chat with my friends using Yahoo! Messanger on Windoze!
[05:37] <GaiaX11> !ask|jmatus
[05:37] <ubotu> jmatus: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:37] <jmatus> i turn on my computer today , and when i logged in, a message pop up: internal erro, unable to load HAL
[05:37] <tannerld> gOLdenHaWK3D: gaim
[05:37] <lordkeiden> xerophyte: did you update ndiswrapper ?
[05:38] <Dr_willis> gOLdenHaWK3D,  thats what i asked.....
[05:38] <geeksauce> arrenlex, yeah i found the best way to really learn linux to just take the plunge and just delete windows completely from your pc and that way there's no "falling back" when you get frustrated :P
[05:38] <gOLdenHaWK3D> tannerld: gaim does not support voice chat!!!
[05:38] <mojo> gOLdenHaWK3D: gaim works for me on yahoo network
[05:38] <gOLdenHaWK3D> Dr_willis: yes!
[05:38] <jmatus> I tried  usind hald from the console but nothing happened
[05:38] <xerophyte> lordkeiden, what is that ?
[05:38] <tannerld> get teamspeak for voice or skype :)
[05:38] <Dr_willis> i got my webcam working with YahooMessenger and Kopete - not sure if it supports audio chatting.
[05:38] <gOLdenHaWK3D> mojo: no, i want to do voice chat! otherwise it works fine
[05:39] <Arafangion> Man, why does windows use so damn much HDD space?
[05:39] <omeil> the next update for compliling should be a percentage bar of installation lol :) u can never tell if its ever going to finish installing -_-
[05:39] <tannerld> Dr_willis: heh
[05:39] <Dr_willis> Arafangion,  the fancy icons man.
[05:39] <mojo> gOLdenHaWK3D: nm then :)  (though i heard gaim was going to incorporate voice... don't know if thats in cvs or not)
[05:39] <colbert> Please can someone help me with configuring GRUB with my HDs ??
[05:39] <Arafangion> Dr_willis: I *knew* there was a reason!
[05:39] <xerophyte> lordkeiden, its not wireless network card its onboard hardwired card
[05:39] <omeil> COIP?
[05:39] <omeil> VOIP
[05:39] <gOLdenHaWK3D> mojo: oh!
[05:39] <arrenlex> geeksauce: I never had that problem. I never had to force myself to use Linux. I was just incredibly curious and interested in it, and by the time the novelty wore off I already liked it more.
[05:39] <gOLdenHaWK3D> mojo: :(
[05:39] <GaiaX11> Arafangion: Try Vista :-)
[05:39] <Arafangion> GaiaX11: Tried it, not impressed with it.
[05:39] <lordkeiden> xerophyte: oh...missed that...ignore me then...
[05:39] <jmatus> how can i know if HAL is  working properly
[05:39] <kevogod> Vista makes Linux look like Windows 95.
[05:40] <Arafangion> kevogod: I disagree.
[05:40] <eracc> Open the pod bay doors HAL ...
[05:40] <kevogod> I am kidding.
[05:40] <omeil> and then again linux users know how crap it is :)
[05:40] <long_duck_dong> omeil, what do you think my error means??
[05:40] <mojo> gOLdenHaWK3D only voice chat i've done with windows is via teamspeak...
[05:40] <kevogod> Vista makes GNU/Linux look like Windows 95.
[05:40] <jmatus> how to Open the pod bay doors HAL
[05:40] <shatrat> kevogod, do you have nothing better to do?
[05:40] <Arafangion> omeil: I'd be happy if MS got SQL Server 2005 Express to work on it *when vista is released*
[05:40] <gOLdenHaWK3D> mojo: teamspeak... hmmmmm
[05:40] <Dr_willis> Linux makes Vista feel like DOS. :)
[05:40] <geeksauce> arrenlex, if only.  every time i started to get the hang of it i'd get frustrated and reboot into M$.  no more of that now.
[05:40] <kevogod> shatrat, It was a subtle joke. Apparently you missed it.
[05:41] <Xenguy> kevogod: take a powder
[05:41] <omeil> but Vista is just even more of a memory hog :D
[05:41] <mojo> gOLdenHaWK3D: it's a gamer's chat popular with online games.  used to play it with halo.  ts has a linux client, amazingly enough.
[05:41] <omeil> If i was on XP i wouldn't move onto VISTA
[05:41] <holycow> omeil, i was just reading up on vista
[05:41] <holycow> is it really true?
[05:41] <shatrat> apparently so subtle as not to be funny
[05:41] <holycow> how can any os require that much ram?
[05:41] <Arafangion> holycow: Nah, that's nothing.
[05:42] <holycow> we pretty much get beryl for free
[05:42] <Dr_willis> If i was on XP i would proberly be downloading updates and getting forced to reboot.....
[05:42] <omeil> holycow: something interesting stumbled upon you? :D
[05:42] <Xenguy> eracc: thank you
[05:42] <Arafangion> holycow: It's the recommended *video memory* that leaves me speechless.
[05:42] <gOLdenHaWK3D> mojo: oh! i googled it already! i think it does not have yahoo voice chat support though! :( and this is bad!
[05:42] <omeil> holycow: or something crap?
[05:42] <shatrat> holycow, because it pre-caches commonly used applications to seem faster
[05:42] <holycow> Arafangion, and how much is recommended?
[05:42] <arrenlex> holycow: they left the takeUpTonsOfRamForNoReason(); call in.
[05:42] <mojo> funny background i found says VISTA:  Viruses Intruders Spyware Trojans Adware
[05:42] <geeksauce> arrenlex, do you know of a way to set a key combo to lock the screen?  i know i can just click the button i put on the bar at the top, but i'd like to be able to hit a key combo and have it lock real quick
[05:42] <Madpilot> People, Vista chat can move to #ubuntu-offtopic or elsewhere, thanks
[05:42] <Arafangion> holycow: Depends on how much "Wow" you want, right up to 512 MB
[05:42] <omeil> well its true
[05:42] <Dr_willis> It can even take up your usb-thumb drives to feed its HUNGER!
[05:42] <gOLdenHaWK3D> mojo: does skype work fine with voice on ubuntu?
[05:42] <lordkeiden> I was on xp, and after looking at Vista, decided to move to Ubuntu!
[05:42] <holycow> omeil, nothing specific, just everyone says its slow when hardware ACCELERATED desktop is enabled
[05:42] <jmatus> how can I Open the pod bay doors HAL
[05:42] <geeksauce> i've done it before but it was so long ago i don't remember
[05:42] <holycow> i find that VERY hard to understand
[05:42] <shatrat> seriously though, empty ram does nobody any good. a smart OS is like a gas, it expands to fill whatever space is available
[05:42] <omeil> thats true
[05:43] <HAL> i can't do that dave
[05:43] <holycow> they don't even have a true 3d desktop, just some shitty effects
[05:43] <gOLdenHaWK3D> omg
[05:43] <arrenlex> geeksauce: Sorry, I use KDE, and things work different there.
[05:43] <jmatus> how can I "" -- Open the pod bay doors HAL---"
[05:43] <Kaline> shatrat: Good way to put it.
[05:43] <holycow> Arafangion, your kidding?
[05:43] <holycow> holy canoly
[05:43] <omeil> some video cards don't even work with VISTA it requires some specific crap in a card to work properly.
[05:43] <arrenlex> geeksauce: I'm sure thousands of porn-loving Linux users everywhere have invented a multitude of ways, though.
[05:43] <omeil> 384mb minimum i think
[05:43] <HAL> jmatus i can't do that dave
[05:43] <shatrat> Kaline, I've been working on my gaseous theory of personal finance for years now.
[05:43] <Arafangion> holycow: Sadly no.  Even worse, Vista is best used with ATI drivers.  Some massive backstabbing politics going on there.  NVIdia must be pissed.
[05:43] <omeil> all they probably did is just add more proggys. i didn't really see the need of a new windows.
[05:43] <gOLdenHaWK3D> does skype work fine with voice on ubuntu
[05:43] <gOLdenHaWK3D> ?
[05:43] <GaiaX11> mojo: Nice Vista explanation :-)
[05:43] <mojo> gOLdenHaWK3D: i have not tried it... i was looking at wengophone as a possibility but after we tried vonage at the house (and it sucked badly) i decided not to mess with VoIP for the moment
[05:44] <Dr_willis> gOLdenHaWK3D,  it exists... so aparently it works..
[05:44] <kevogod> Ubuntu is best used with ATI drivers as well!
[05:44] <HAL> gOLdenHaWK3D: yes
[05:44] <lordkeiden> Arafangion: I have better ow in Ubuntu, and only have 512Mb Ram...and the eye candy works good down to 256.
[05:44] <Arafangion> holycow: NVidia works afaik, but was relatively unstable.
[05:44] <tannerld> gOLdenHaWK3D: probably
[05:44] <holycow> wow
[05:44] <arrenlex> Arafangion: That's funny! On Linux, ATI drivers are best used with the command line.
[05:44] <omeil> RIAA took part in the Vista project. so blame microsoft all the way for letting them in
[05:44] <geeksauce> arrenlex, lol i bet.  i just like it cause if i'm about to leave and i turn the monitor off w/o locking first then i have to turn it back on, wait for the screen to come up, then click, turn it off again
[05:44] <Arafangion> arrenlex: All *I* want is a damn graphics driver that survives sleep :(
[05:44] <omeil> 2 days after vista was released there was already iso's on the internet lol
[05:44] <lordkeiden> arrenlex: LOL  Trye true!
[05:44] <Arafangion> (ATI is integrated into this laptop)
[05:44] <gOLdenHaWK3D> HAL: are yu quite sure, cuz i have the other person on windoze! and i would have to persuade him to install skype!
[05:45] <kevogod> I have an ATI x300. It's garbage.
[05:45] <holycow> shatrat, its not empty ram thats the issue why would an os REALLY actually need such gargantuan quantities before any apps are loaded.  i can load up knoppix/whatever into ram ... haven't counted but it isn't gigs
[05:45] <holycow> and thats the WHOLE OS including APPS
[05:45] <mojo> arrenlex: I think the OS radeon/ati drivers have come a long way.  fglrx is still faster at 3d fps but won't support composite.
[05:45] <gOLdenHaWK3D> HAL: and if it doesnot work from my side, it would be quite embarrising
[05:45] <Arafangion> kevogod: I've got the x600, afaik.
[05:45] <HAL> gOLdenHaWK3D: i have used it quite often with someone using XP
[05:45] <MyGhetek> hey guys i want to dual boot windows xp pro and kubuntu on my laptop with 120gb. i want to have some sort of shared area where both os's can share data. i also want the snazziest (coolest) looking boot menu. ideas?
[05:45] <gOLdenHaWK3D> HAL: oh! then its fine! thanx alot!
[05:45] <gOLdenHaWK3D> thanx all
[05:45] <holycow> !ext3
[05:45] <ubotu> ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[05:45] <omeil> i wonder how much ubuntu uses but i bet its no more than 120
[05:45] <kevogod> Arafangion, Mine is a desktop card.
[05:45] <arrenlex> geeksauce: Ask around. I'm sure lots of people can help you out. Good luck.
[05:45] <mojo> kevogod: 1mans trash = another mans treasure... want my address?  i'll pay shipping to take it off your hands ;)
[05:45] <omeil> its probably more into the 2 digit era
[05:45] <arrenlex> Arafangion: Are you using the newest fglrx?
[05:45] <Dr_willis> MyGhetek,  with the right addon - you can get windows to read/write ext3/2
[05:45] <holycow> MyGhetek, ext3 seems to be the best for bost oses
[05:45] <shatrat> holycow, well when you write programs in vb.net they tend to be a little inefficient space wise
[05:45] <Xenguy> MyGhetek: one way is to make a FAT32 partition for sharing
[05:46] <Arafangion> MyGhetek: grub, then you have a choice of format: ntfs, fat, or ext2.  The /easiest/ is fat, but it has significant limitations.
[05:46] <kevogod> mojo, As long as you send me an NVidia equivalent.
[05:46] <geeksauce> arrenlex, will do.  thanks again
[05:46] <arrenlex> Arafangion: Word is that they've actually managed to make them less horrible with the newest release.
[05:46] <holycow> and its a journaled fs unlike fat32
[05:46] <Xenguy> MyGhetek: I don't know how reliable NTFS is yet on Ubu
[05:46] <Dr_willis> I dont use a fat32 shared partition any more.. I make  a ext3 shared partition. :)
[05:46] <Arafangion> arrenlex: The latest versions for my card do not survive sleep.
[05:46] <MyGhetek> ok so do i install winxp first or ubuntu?
[05:46] <omeil> is ther ea big difference between vb.net and VB 6?
[05:46] <Kaline> I always wondered about that, does it treat ext2/3 filesystems as though they were normal volumes and can be browsed in Explorer or via a separate FM?
[05:46] <kevogod> MyGhetek, XP
[05:46] <omeil> cause i know VB 6 and its quite easy
[05:46] <geeksauce> what's this i hear about the OSX-like spaces feature in edgy?
[05:46] <Arafangion> omeil: Is there a big difference between Latin and English?
[05:47] <omeil> Arafangion: that question i don't know lol :D
[05:47] <mojo> kevogod: actually i think ati makes good hardware and totally boffs it come driver time, linux or windows side of the equation.
[05:47] <MyGhetek> ok so i will install xp with a smaller partition size then install kubuntu on the rest with the swap
[05:47] <Arafangion> omeil: Guess.
[05:47] <MyGhetek> and i should just use the ext3 driver to access the ubuntu storage from windows?
[05:47] <omeil> Yes :D
[05:47] <holycow> mojo, ita always been that way, even on windows.  no one uses ati for professional 3d or video work for example
[05:47] <Arafangion> omeil: Very clever!
[05:47] <lordkeiden> MyGhetek: I use the ext2 driver that ubotu mentioned , on my ext3 drive, and it works great for me. I dont use the shared area extensively, and usually windows reads it, not writes to it...but i have no complaints
[05:47] <holycow> except maybe on apple boxes
[05:47] <kevogod> mojo, OK, if you like this card so much why don't you marry it?
[05:47] <Krunk> Hi. I've tried to figure out how one can get a non-X console in order to install Nvidia proprietary driver in Ubuntu 6,10. The best I've come up with is to ESC before X starts up and use the 'safe' mode kernel. However, after I've installed the thing, it indicates that GLX is not installed or corrupted (installation instructions tell me to remove 'glx' from xorg.conf). I can'tr seem to get accelerated #D to work. Anyone know what I can do?
[05:47] <arrenlex> Arafangion: latest version != ubuntu version. You're sure you're using 8.33.6?
[05:47] <gOLdenHaWK3D> And any help about bluetooth? ca we send .sis files to a nokia phone over bluetooth using ubuntu?
[05:47] <omeil> not really they are obth completely different.
[05:47] <geeksauce> anyone know what i'm talking about?  there's a video of it being demonstrated on youtube
[05:48] <Arafangion> arrenlex: Downloaded from ati website.
[05:48] <holycow> Krunk, why not install nvidia-glx from repos?
[05:48] <arrenlex> Arafangion: Alright. Sorry, man.
[05:48] <Arafangion> arrenlex: Heck, even the bug's officially recorded in the notes.
[05:48] <omeil> its like comparing Japanese to russian lol
[05:48] <kevogod> geeksauce, Beryl?
[05:48] <gOLdenHaWK3D> And any help about bluetooth? ca we send .sis/.mp3/.rm files to a nokia phone over bluetooth using ubuntu?
[05:48] <holycow> Krunk, those are proprietary drivers, just nicely packaged so you can easily remove them
[05:48] <holycow> try it
[05:48] <cfedde> Krunk: ctl-alt-f1?
[05:48] <Arafangion> arrenlex: They're "looking into it", but they've probably got their hands full with vista.
[05:48] <MyGhetek> ok last question. i have a broadcom card for my dell d610 and an intel one that i prefer for windows, do both of those work in ubuntu?
[05:48] <omeil> does anyone know an estimated time of how long it will take to compile wine from source?
[05:48] <geeksauce> kevogod, huh?
[05:48] <mojo> kevogod: ha ha ha... it's not like that... i was just saying ati could be much better if they could write a driver to save their life... nvidia has trumped them for a while because of this.  i am not dissing nvidia by saying ati makes good hardware designs
[05:48] <arrenlex> Arafangion: xD I hate it when the companies are like, "look, we're incompetent boobs, but we don't care because you people aren't important!" to the Linux people.
[05:49] <kevogod> geeksauce, http://www.beryl-project.org/features.php
[05:49] <holycow> MyGhetek, chances are the windows works, the broadcom is iffy, you might get lucky
[05:49] <jmatus> does ubuntu loads automatically flash memories
[05:49] <arrenlex> Arafangion: They could at least not flaunt it.
[05:49] <Krunk> holycow: I did that and it doesn'tr work. Now even if I install games they don't actually install. Is this common? (Btw, I'm on my fifth or sixth complete install)
[05:49] <colbert> Hi guys I have 2 IDE drives, 1 with XP and 1 with Ubuntu and a SATA drive with Vista and I'm trying to get GRUB to boot all 3, can anyone please help ????
[05:49] <holycow> jmatus, yes
[05:49] <gOLdenHaWK3D> And any help about bluetooth? ca we send .sis/.mp3/.rm files to a nokia phone over bluetooth using ubuntu?
[05:49] <omeil> is NeverWinter Niights 100% linux comptaible????
[05:49] <MyGhetek> ok im gonna give all this a shot, wish me luck guys, and thanks for the support!
[05:49] <jmatus> mine doesn't mount
[05:49] <holycow> Krunk, it does work, you might need to double check that your xorg.conf file is configure properly
[05:49] <shatrat> omeil, the first one is, nwn2 isnt
[05:49] <gOLdenHaWK3D> MyGhetek: Good Luck dude!
[05:49] <holycow> Krunk, or reinstall
[05:49] <silverdub> Does anyone know how to dual boot a computer with Vista and Ubuntu?
[05:49] <Dr_willis> omeil,  thers a native linux port of it - so yes.
[05:50] <Dr_willis> omeil,  you may have to download the linxu binary however. if its not on the install cd's
[05:50] <jmatus> i think there may be a problem with HAL, my usb doesn't mount automatically
[05:50] <lordkeiden> is there a way to hide a partition from windows via grub?
[05:50] <kevogod> geeksauce, Or Compiz: http://www.go-compiz.org/index.php?title=Video
[05:50] <gOLdenHaWK3D> silverdub: just install ubuntu, and it will take care of your windoze partitions automatically
[05:50] <Krunk> holycow: again?? sigh .. Mandrake does the whole thing w/o a hitch. How I hate Gnome . . .
[05:50] <omeil> there is an ikernel.ex_ thats the only thing on the cd that sounds anything like linux lol
[05:50] <jmatus> any suggestions
[05:50] <holycow> jmatus, try a reinstall, i know it sucks but its easier to do a clean install than track down a hal issue
[05:50] <holycow> Krunk, what are you talking about? nvidia has nothing to do with gnome
[05:51] <holycow> Krunk, it has everything to do with ubuntu
[05:51] <silverdub> yeah but once I hit start or install it just goes to a black sceen with a blinking cursor line in the top left corner of the screen
[05:51] <omeil> i just don't get how i can install neverwinternights if there is nothing to execute it with linux
[05:51] <GaiaX11> MyGhetek: WinXP > Fat=40gb ; Kubuntu > ext3=90gb. That's a suggestion. But, you do not need XP in your machine. Do as I did = throw Win away and stick to Linux only :-)
[05:51] <jmatus> ther must be other way
[05:51] <holycow> Krunk, ubuntu tries to stick with free software, it doesn't 'yet' let you install proprietary stuff on install
[05:51] <Dr_willis> omeil,  go to the official web site... they have an installer/binary you download and use.
[05:51] <gOLdenHaWK3D> Krunk: gnome has nothing to do with the drivers!
[05:51] <holycow> you haveto do it manually
[05:51] <gOLdenHaWK3D> And any help about bluetooth? ca we send .sis/.mp3/.rm files to a nokia phone over bluetooth using ubuntu?
[05:51] <omeil> oh ok
[05:51] <silverdub> omeil: there are windows emulator type programs that can run windows apps on linux
[05:51] <omeil> yea im currently trying to install wine
[05:52] <Krunk> holycow: well, gnome isn't as intuitive as kde . . . config stuff is well hidden.
[05:52] <Dr_willis> silverdub,  neverwinters night has a Native Linux port. :)
[05:52] <omeil> im compiling it from source but it sure AS HELL TAKES ITS TIME
[05:52] <holycow> Krunk, wtf are you talking about?
[05:52] <`Z`> re
[05:52] <kevogod> GNOME is not as intuitive as KDE. Are you kidding me?
[05:52] <holycow> Krunk, everything is in system/admin
[05:52] <mojo> gOLdenHaWK3D: i know there are drivers in ubuntu because i killed them (don't have the hardware, why run the daemons?) but can't speak to usage
[05:52] <holycow> Krunk, start up synaptic or install from terminal
[05:52] <omeil> everyone HERE DON'T EVER USE MANDRAKE LOL :)
[05:52] <GaiaX11> !wine| silverdub
[05:52] <ubotu> silverdub: wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[05:52] <holycow> Krunk, also if you like, install kde
[05:52] <silverdub> Dr_willis: do you know how to overcome an install error.  (This is a subtle reference to another, erm... discussion about this)
[05:53] <eracc> Mandrake? The Magician?
[05:53] <holycow> ubuntu only ships with gnome default, we have everything in repos
[05:53] <omeil> silver dub
[05:53] <geeksauce> kevogod, i'm not sure which i saw on youtube.  it was on digg and i was under the impression that it was part of edgy cause everyone was all excited around the release date
[05:53] <Dr_willis> silverdub,  installing ubuntu?  try the alt-install cd? or live cd?
[05:53] <Krunk> holycow: did that and it really borked
[05:53] <silverdub> Dr_willis: after the first main menu when the cd is loading
[05:53] <gOLdenHaWK3D> mojo: oh! actually i was going to install ubuntu on someones pc, and he runs xp. he would start using ubuntu, if his voice chat & bluetooth work fine in ubuntu! This was the reason i was asking
[05:53] <holycow> Krunk, people complaining usually rub everyone the wrong way as usually they didn't really look
[05:53] <mojo> omeil: mandrake was my first distro.  but then rpm morphed into a four letter word
[05:53] <omeil> does your monitor go on standby or do u just get a black screen?
[05:53] <kevogod> geeksauce, You can install it on Ubuntu.
[05:53] <silverdub> Dr_willis: live
[05:53] <kevogod> geeksauce, It is not part of the default installation yet.
[05:53] <omeil> mandrake was quite buggy for me
[05:53] <Dr_willis> silverdub,  id say try the alt-install cd.
[05:53] <omeil> actually really buggy
[05:53] <Arafangion> mojo: I used it before it morphed into a four-letter word, and it still was a joke.
[05:53] <mojo> gOLdenHaWK3D: wish i could tell you more but i have never had bluetooth hardware... if i did, i surely would play with it.
[05:53] <silverdub> Dr_willis: how do you do an apt install from windows?
[05:54] <Arafangion> mojo: Especially MDK 7.0
[05:54] <kevogod> Arafangion, I do not care for him.
[05:54] <holycow> Krunk, well it sounds like you decided already athat mandrake is better so use that
[05:54] <gOLdenHaWK3D> mojo: np, thanx mojo
[05:54] <sapage> I have a problem with remote VNC in ubuntu when i VNC into my machine the screen does not update at all
[05:54] <omeil> silverdub: do u hear music while there is a black screen infront of you?
[05:54] <Krunk> holycow: I really like Ubuntu, but I really did 'look' - try changing ther video card, or monitor in Gnome - good luck!
[05:54] <lordkeiden> is there a way to hide a partition from windows via grub?
[05:54] <holycow> not sure what we can do to help with that attitude part, but everything works
[05:54] <holycow> Krunk, what are you talking about again?
[05:54] <kevogod> Krunk, Try Kubuntu if you do not like GNOME.
[05:54] <Dr_willis> lordkeiden,  go to the grub homepage and check the grub docs.. yes i think there is a way to do it.
[05:54] <geeksauce> kevogod, which one do you recommend?  i only have 1 stick of 512 in this box, and an nvidia gforce 4 video card
[05:55] <holycow> what do you mean try changing video card in gnome? what the hell does that even mean?
[05:55] <gOLdenHaWK3D> mojo: i think i should install ubuntu on his pc, and later i can help him out! atleast skype would work.
[05:55] <omeil> silverdub: you there?
[05:55] <omeil> jesus who knew compiling coudl take so long:)
[05:55] <mojo> gOLdenHaWK3D: go google up bluetooth ubuntu howto there are several hits to investigate
[05:56] <kevogod> geeksauce, I do not know what would be best for your video card. Your memory is plenty though.
[05:56] <gOLdenHaWK3D> mojo: oh! good idea! lol. thanx
[05:56] <Krunk> holycow: sorry I ruffled feathers here. I'll keep opinions to myself.
[05:56] <mojo> gOLdenHaWK3D: yeah, look into "obex" utilities too
[05:56] <holycow> Krunk, well if you have opinions that are unfounded, biased and wrong, never mind that they don't make sense ...
[05:57] <holycow> ... do you really think expecting us not to challenge your opinions?
[05:57] <gOLdenHaWK3D> mojo: i think i found out how to transfer files to a bluetooth device! its on ubuntuguide.org.
[05:57] <holycow> *insert* ... its reasonable ...
[05:57] <shriphani> erm can anyone mention how to change the xterm background colour ?
[05:57] <mojo> gOLdenHaWK3D: cool beans!  good luck with your userfriend
[05:57] <gOLdenHaWK3D> mojo: ;) thanx for your help
[05:58] <Arafangion> Hmm, going to install Ubuntu now, 20GB /should/ be enough for windows.  10GB should be plenty for Ubuntu, (plus 15GB for HOME)
[05:58] <geeksauce> kevogod, is it difficult to install in ubuntu?  i mean are there deb packages or would i have to compile?
[05:58] <shriphani> geeksauce, ubuntu uses apt
[05:58] <arrenlex> geeksauce: What are you talking about?
[05:59] <colbert> Can someone help me with restoring GRUB? I have used Super Grub Disk and it's still not working correctly
[05:59] <pirothezero> wow is there any email client that would seperate email by account/server instead of putting it all int he inbox?
[05:59] <kevogod> He wants to install Compiz or Beryl. He is wondering if it is a hassle or not.
[05:59] <geeksauce> arrenlex, compiz
[05:59] <shriphani> ohhh
[05:59] <GaiaX11> Arafangion: You don't need Win in your machine. Throw it away :-) Set yourself free!
[05:59] <arrenlex> geeksauce: compiz? That's an odd choice. Most people run beryl nowadays.
[05:59] <Kaline> pirothezero: Most cliens allow for multiple mailboxes, what are you using?
[05:59] <Arafangion> GaiaX11: I require windows to run a /crap/ game, for uni :(
[05:59] <Arafangion> GaiaX11: How's that for irony?
[05:59] <pirothezero> evolution and thunderbird
[05:59] <eracc> pirothezero, use filters (if your client has them).
[05:59] <holycow> pirothezero, thunderbird
[05:59] <arrenlex> geeksauce: Beryl is more integrated into the standard setup, while compiz requires switching X servers. And I know for sure there are ubuntu repositories.
[05:59] <holycow> pirothezero, yeah i hate that about evolution as well
[05:59] <geeksauce> arrenlex, ok i'll try that then.  i didn't have a preference so i just picked one at random :P
[05:59] <pirothezero> i want it how outlook has it on the left each account and i click on it and it goes to only that email
[06:00] <omeil> wow you can totally configure the look for the x terminal :D
[06:00] <kevogod> The next question would be XGL or AIGLX or both?
[06:00] <arrenlex> geeksauce: First, what does the output of "glxinfo | grep render" say?
[06:00] <eracc> Oh, evolution, NM.
[06:00] <GaiaX11> Arafangion: I am serious. It is not irony :-)
[06:00] <holycow> i think thunderbird does have that, try it
[06:00] <Arafangion> GaiaX11: So am I :(
[06:00] <pirothezero> ya opening it right now
[06:00] <Arafangion> GaiaX11: ONE DAMN GAME!
[06:00] <geeksauce> glxinfo | grep render
[06:00] <kevogod> How come GNOME reformatted my hard drive?
[06:00] <Arafangion> GaiaX11: One Damn 12 MB DirectX game!
[06:00] <GaiaX11> Arafangion: There are other games.
[06:01] <lufis> kevogod: i think you mean ubuntu, right?
[06:01] <holycow> kevogod, gnome doesn't reformat anything
[06:01] <gOLdenHaWK3D> Arafangion: Every gamer has windows on his pc!
[06:01] <holycow> kevogod, you did :/
[06:01] <Arafangion> GaiaX11: It's for a gaming major engineering project at my uni.
[06:01] <Arafangion> gOLdenHaWK3D: I am not a gamer.
[06:01] <kevogod> holycow, I think you are taking things to seriously.
[06:01] <eracc> If a game is not native to, nor ported to Linux I won't use it.
[06:01] <geeksauce> arrenlex, >>  direct rendering: No       OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[06:01] <gOLdenHaWK3D> Arafangion: oh!
[06:01] <GaiaX11> Arafangion: Ok.
[06:01] <holycow> kevogod, ditto ... :)
[06:01] <kevogod> *too
[06:02] <omeil> i don't have windows installed and im sorta a gamer :)
[06:02] <n3rrd> Man.  Does Ubuntu 6.1 HAVE to boot off the CD before installing?  it's driving this T21 insane.
[06:02] <gOLdenHaWK3D> Arafangion: but i think Windoze was designed for Gamez ONLY! Lol
[06:02] <arrenlex> geeksauce: Ouch. You're not running any beryl without a bit of effort.
[06:02] <Arafangion> GaiaX11: I'd run it in wine, but the /particular/ d3dx9_30.dll isn't implemented yet.
[06:02] <sapage> !vnc
[06:02] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[06:02] <arrenlex> geeksauce: Or compiz, or anything 3D.
[06:02] <arrenlex> geeksauce: What card do you have?
[06:02] <GaiaX11> eracc: Good bet :-)
[06:02] <arrenlex> geeksauce: Video card.
[06:02] <holycow> n3rrd, the live cd has bugs ... i help people all the time with it.  download the alternate cd, it uses d-i the awesome debian installer ... its curses based but just great
[06:02] <eracc> ;-)
[06:03] <Hatty> xtknight: I've found the source of the error, but i dont know how to fix it.if i link to libc i cant run it, if i dont i can, but i need to link to libc
[06:03] <dougb> what is a good PHP editor?
[06:03] <eracc> vi
[06:03] <Hatty> ^
[06:03] <geeksauce> arrenlex, i'm not positive... nvidia gforce 4, but not sure if it's 64 or 128.  it was given to me used.  has 2 VGA outs on the back
[06:03] <Arafangion> eracc: vi stinks.  Use vim
[06:03] <dougb> haha, where's a good place to learn about vi?
[06:03] <holycow> quanta+ is also said to be a really good ide for php
[06:03] <eracc> OK, vi/m
[06:03] <omeil> goldenhawk windows wasn't really created for gaming..it was the only OS publicly known. so all companies turned to that OS.
[06:03] <Hatty> dougb: if you want a gui, bluefish
[06:03] <dougb> ubuntu doesn't seem to have vimtutor
[06:03] <arrenlex> geeksauce: Oh, if it's nvidia, it won't be so bad.
[06:03] <arrenlex> !nvidia | geeksauce
[06:03] <ubotu> geeksauce: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:03] <n3rrd> holycow:  haha, alright.  IT took me a while toget this one to work.  :(  Had to burn it two or three times.  Newer drives didn't mind the burnt disc but the older drive needed it burnt slower.
[06:03] <pirothezero> word i found it in thunderbird, thanks for making me go back and look ;>
[06:04] <GaiaX11> dougb: man vi
[06:04] <omeil> if Linux was big with ads and millions of dollars for advertising. companies would create games for both OS's
[06:04] <kevogod> Bluefish is better than vi.
[06:04] <Hasrat_USA> woooooooooo hoooooooooooo!!!
[06:04] <n3rrd> holycow:  but atleast the partitions are all ready, I suppose.
[06:04] <dougb> thanks GaiaX11
[06:04] <kevogod> Let's discuss.
[06:04] <eracc> If GUI is required to edit PHP ($DEITY alnoe knows why) then nedit.
[06:04] <gOLdenHaWK3D> omeil: you are quite right
[06:04] <geeksauce> arrenlex, how can i determine what kind of card it is exactly?
[06:04] <arrenlex> geeksauce: lspci | grep -i vga
[06:04] <Hasrat_USA> i just installed KDE in ubuntu. it kicks vista's arse :)
[06:04] <eracc> *alone
[06:04] <holycow> n3rrd, its a fantastic idea, i think in the future all linux distros will be live cd installs.  its just the right way to do it ... no bs installers like anaconda to maintain.  but for now its still got some rough spots so i'm glad d-i is around and stick around
[06:04] <kevogod> Arse?
[06:04] <omeil> So maybe in the future Linux will take its toll and rise against MS :D
[06:04] <Arafangion> Hasrat_USA: It has an arse?
[06:05] <Hatty> Hasrat_USA: X kicks Vista
[06:05] <Hasrat_USA> kde forever!! :)
[06:05] <kevogod> omeil, You mean Apple?
[06:05] <holycow> omeil, one day at a time
[06:05] <n3rrd> holycow: i agree.  it normally isn't too bad.  It just gets tough on systems with less memory available.
[06:05] <omeil> yup
[06:05] <holycow> one thing we need to be aware of is we don't want to get too popular too quick
[06:05] <holycow> let me get a great link
[06:05] <l2s> anyone know if howtoforge is running joomla?
[06:05] <omeil> i guess so.
[06:05] <holycow> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endless_September
[06:06] <GaiaX11> Hasrat_USA: Do not compare Ubuntu to Vista :-(
[06:06] <Hasrat_USA> kevogod: in uk they call it arse :P
[06:06] <holycow> thats a great article on why one doesn't want to attract people too fast
[06:06] <holycow> we need time to teach people how to use systems well
[06:06] <kevogod> Apple is more likely to topple Microsoft than GNU/Linux in the near future.
[06:06] <shriphani> eracc, any ideas on how to change xterm background colours
[06:06] <Hatty> shriphani: theres a configuration file
[06:06] <geeksauce> arrenlex, GeForce4 MX 440... is that good?
[06:06] <holycow> yeah it would acutally be better if apple does
[06:06] <eracc> shriphani, do you want to change it while running or on start?
[06:06] <Hasrat_USA> gotta take a shower :) kde rules :)
[06:07] <kevogod> Why would it be better?
[06:07] <GaiaX11> Hasrat_USA: No comparison
[06:07] <shriphani> eracc, while running
[06:07] <holycow> the support costs for joe 6 pack are huge, but joe doesn't have any money
[06:07] <omeil> lol MS and apple are already beginning to compete with each other with there mini products like the ipod and Zune
[06:07] <holycow> let apple handle them
[06:07] <arrenlex> geeksauce: No idea, haven't had an nvidia card for a while. If it's reasonably modern, it'll be sufficient.
[06:07] <eracc> shriphani, ah, I'm not sure then.
[06:07] <eracc> shriphani, maybe.
[06:07] <omeil> does anyone know an estimated time on how long it takes to compile someting from source?
[06:07] <kevogod> Apple is no better than Microsoft. Their OS may be better but that's about it.
[06:08] <arrenlex> omeil: It depends what, and what your system is like. o_O
[06:08] <shriphani> arrenlex, zune has pretty good features but microsoft blew it with their WiFi
[06:08] <holycow> kevogod, THATS another great reason why apple should have the users :)
[06:08] <holycow> lol
[06:08] <arrenlex> omeil: int main(void) {printf("Hello\n");} compiles in 0.5 seconds.
[06:08] <geeksauce> arrenlex, do i really need tv out support?
[06:08] <arrenlex> geeksauce: For what?
[06:08] <gOLdenHaWK3D> arrenlex: you are right dude!
[06:08] <kevogod> holycow, You are simply exchanging masters.
[06:08] <gOLdenHaWK3D> arrenlex: iPod rocks!
[06:08] <omeil> that compiles the text?
[06:08] <gOLdenHaWK3D> arrenlex: but iPhone is quite expensive!
[06:08] <Hatty> gOLdenHaWK3D: ew @ iPod.
[06:09] <geeksauce> arrenlex, it's listed as a prerequisite for nvidia driver install
[06:09] <gOLdenHaWK3D> Hatty: :(
[06:09] <holycow> kevogod, well i'm not, i'm just thinking getting ms users to swap masters is a great interim position
[06:09] <omeil> im trying to compile the Wine source
[06:09] <holycow> we need LOTS of time to assimilate new users
[06:09] <omeil> and its been on MAKE for well over 30 minutes
[06:09] <shriphani> Hatty, care to tell me where this config file is ?
[06:09] <rssn> Good evening, forgive the strange question, but I'm very new to Ubuntu, just booted it off the CD for the first time. Trying to avoid using Windows, but unsure if Ubuntu can work for me... Will it be very difficult to get OpenGL and quake3 running on Ubuntu? Can I manually set my screen refresh rate in Ubuntu, beyond specifications (currently Gnome only sees 60hz, no more). Finally, is it possible to change the frequency of my mouse-USB
[06:09] <Hatty> gOLdenHaWK3D: doesnt support ogg vorbis, uses proprietary DRM acc
[06:09] <Hatty> shriphani: you have to make it. ~/.xtermrc methinks
[06:09] <kevogod> I only use MIDIs for my music.
[06:09] <omeil> There is a Quake3 port to linux isn' there?
[06:10] <arrenlex> geeksauce: I dunno. I've never bothered with it or tried it. Just ignore that, you'll be fine.
[06:10] <gOLdenHaWK3D> Hatty: oh yes!
[06:10] <holycow> rssn, not easily ,.. you haveto learn new skills because everything you learned on windows is wrong
[06:10] <kevogod> Is there a decent MIDI player in Ubuntu?
[06:10] <holycow> rssn, the other answers are yes
[06:10] <geeksauce> arrenlex, ok cool.  i'll keep you posted
[06:10] <Hatty> kevogod: timidity
[06:10] <rssn> holycow: Yay? USB Refresh rate can be tweaked on Ubuntu?
[06:10] <Hatty> kevogod: it will play midi files and run as a midi synth server
[06:10] <eracc> "Decent MIDI" is an oxymoron ...
[06:10] <kevogod> Hatty, Last time I tried it, it did not work.
[06:11] <holycow> rssn, usb refresh rate? what the heck is a usb refresh rate? you mean video refresh rates right?
[06:11] <Hatty> kevogod: wouldnt play file?
[06:11] <kevogod> It had a problem with my soundcard.
[06:11] <omeil> OMG KILL ME
[06:11] <holycow> and yes of course, but we don't have a gui for that ... yet .... you can set them manually in xorg.conf file and just restart the xserver easily
[06:11] <kevogod> Although my soundcard is a standard Realtek AC'97.
[06:11] <rssn> holycow: I meant the frequency (measured in HZ) at which your mouse movements are scanned thru the USB port.
[06:11] <gOLdenHaWK3D> bye all
[06:11] <omeil> lol
[06:11] <omeil> Terminal hasn't stopped compiling yet 0_O
[06:11] <holycow> rssn, lol, what? ohhhh no idea.  your a serious gamer and are trying to reduce latency?
[06:12] <Hatty> kevogod: works with my ac'97 intel whatever onboard crap
[06:12] <holycow> rssn, i'm certain the answer is yes but you are the first person that has actually asked this and i don't know ... hmmm
[06:12] <Arafangion> rssn: Do you have a TFT monitor, by any chance?
[06:12] <rssn> holycow: I usually play at a 1000hz for USB port, which is different from a default of 125 hz, makes a slightly noticeable difference.
[06:12] <kevogod> Hatty, I actually tried a lot of stuff but was never able to get MIDI to work. It was why I had to go back to Windows.
[06:12] <rssn> Arafangion: I use a widescreen TFT for desktop and work but a CRT for gaming.
[06:12] <GaiaX11> rssn: Stick to Linux and you will see what a computer really is and what it can do for you at its most :-)
[06:12] <Hatty> what did you need midi playback for?
[06:12] <eracc> Go back to Windows ... for MIDI. Egad.
[06:12] <l2s> anyone know if howtoforge is running joomla?
[06:12] <rssn> GaiaX11: Thank you.
[06:13] <lufis> rssn: how do you change that?
[06:13] <holycow> rssn, maybe you should stay on windows if you play games ... i'm not sure how happy you will be here.  we can help but you may want to try setting it up on a test system and seeing how that works there
[06:13] <kevogod> Hatty, I have 10 million MIDI files that I listen to.
[06:13] <roler> is there a edgy bluetooth howto? I'm trying to get my Dell 355 Bluetooth chip working
[06:13] <Hatty> ..
[06:13] <Hatty> =/
[06:13] <rssn> lufis: Change my USB frequency? I use a certain tweak tool for that in Windows.
[06:13] <Arafangion> rssn: Ahh, well, TFT works best with 60HZ, but as for the CRT... have you tried unplugging the TFT, and plugging the CRT in, and THEN starting (or restarting) X11?
[06:13] <arrenlex> omeil: Wine usually takes 30 minutes to compile on this new machine (AMD 3800+); took about an hour on my old machine<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:13] <lufis> rssn: oh, i thought you meant in linux
[06:13] <eracc> kevogod, you are sick. Sick I say! :-)
[06:13] <holycow> Arafangion, he is talking about moding th USB frequency range :)
[06:13] <holycow> not crt range btw
[06:13] <rssn> Arafangion: Is this true? I did not know. Currently, my Acer can support 75hz under 1680x1050, but it is not a standard setting.
[06:13] <omeil> im 2.66GHZ with 768 DDR ram
[06:14] <Hatty> kevogod: try muse
[06:14] <omeil> 256mb Geforce 6200A
[06:14] <rssn> holycow: Not entirely true, I did show a bit of interest in tweaking my monitor frequency as well
[06:14] <Arafangion> rssn: Some support 72, or 75 MHz, indeed, but they are still optimal with 60.
[06:14] <lufis> Oh yeah? well... i'm compiling from source the latest cvs. Top that
[06:14] <Hatty> or go buy a soundcard
[06:14] <holycow> all good :)
[06:14] <kevogod> OK, maybe it's not why I went back to Windows but it was a slight annoyance!
[06:14] <eracc> LOL
[06:14] <Hatty> main reason?
[06:14] <rssn> Arafangion: Thank you. I just felt a noticeable movement difference with 75 hz however, even on a desktop, not in a game.
[06:14] <omeil> there is 2 midi players for ubuntu. Amarok and KMid
[06:14] <holycow> kevogod, you won't live long enough to listen to all of them
[06:15] <holycow> heh
[06:15] <holycow> :)
[06:15] <Kevros> I am trying to install the latest version of ndiswrapper to get my wireless to work, and giri from their IRC channel told me to ask here to find out how to install libc.
[06:15] <Arafangion> rssn: Be aware that sometimes improvement is phycological.
[06:15] <omeil> can u sudo apt-get install libc?
[06:15] <kevogod> Hatty, I wanted to play some Warcraft III: TFT but I was not particularly happy with playing it in Cedega or WINE.
[06:15] <lufis> Is anyone here familiar with crip, the perl script for cd ripping? Anyone have any similar tools?
[06:15] <tehxed> Anyone here experience any trouble with Beryl using the ATI Radeon Xpress 200M?
[06:15] <Hatty> kevogod: Meh. Dual boot
[06:16] <Kevros> my computer is not online since my wireless doesn't work, is there any way I can download it with my windows laptop and move it with a usb flash drive?
[06:16] <eracc> Heh, no Warcraft III for Linux.
[06:16] <Arafangion> rssn: For example: An application that "loads" in 0.5 seconds, but takes 65 minutes to do it's task, will probably seem faster than an application that takes 10 seconds to load, but takes 80 minutes to do its task.
[06:16] <kevogod> Dual boot is pointless to me. It is more hassle than it's worth.
[06:16] <GaiaX11> Kevros: You have it in the ubuntu cd
[06:16] <holycow> Kevros, sure, packages.ubuntu.com
[06:16] <holycow> or what GaiaX11 said
[06:16] <Arafangion> Yeah, dualbooting is a /pain/.
[06:16] <holycow> wait ... GaiaX11 is that actually on the cd?
[06:16] <eracc> I guess Blizzard don't want my money,
[06:16] <Hatty> Arafangion: nah
[06:16] <Talaman> ok, still having issue
[06:17] <kevogod> Whenever I have a dual boot system, I end up not dual booting.
[06:17] <GaiaX11> holycow: Ndis. Yes
[06:17] <foormea> hey
[06:17] <Kevros> ok, I have the ubuntu cd in and did "sudo apt-get install libc"  It says, couldn't find package libc
[06:17] <tehxed> Anyone here experience any trouble with Beryl using the ATI Radeon Xpress 200M?
[06:17] <holycow> neat, thx.
[06:17] <cry0x> anyone know of a good southern california repository? I'm getting awful speeds (150K/s) from the server recommended by "Select Best Server"
[06:17] <cry0x> which was in oregon
[06:17] <Hatty> Kevros: try glibc
[06:17] <turbolover> hey i think i figured out why the updats made my machine slower
[06:17] <kevogod> cry0x, Try BitTorrent.
[06:17] <Kevros> didnt find glibc either
[06:17] <Arafangion> cry0x: 150K... nice! :)
[06:17] <holycow> cry0x, try uk, strangely they tend to be consistent
[06:17] <roler> is there a edgy bluetooth howto? I'm trying to get my Dell 355 Bluetooth chip working
[06:17] <boredandblogging> roler, have you checked https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bluetooth/Docs
[06:17] <turbolover> when it updated my ati driver it made the fglrx module restricted again
[06:17] <eracc> Yeah, I had a quad boot box in 2001. I only accessed the "Windows" partitions from the other OSs to get files ...
[06:18] <turbolover> err control panel
[06:18] <GaiaX11> Kevros: sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper wireless-tolls
[06:18] <holycow> !spelling
[06:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about spelling - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:18] <rssn> Everyone: If Ubuntu (booted off a CD and not installed) has just restarted itself after going through a black screen, is this an instability problem with my hardware? The reason I am trying Ubuntu is that my windows is giving Blue Screens of death and no longer being properly stable.
[06:18] <holycow> lol
[06:18] <GaiaX11> Kevros: sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper wireless-tools
[06:18] <kevogod> I am currently downloading the 6.10 DVD though and plan on using Ubuntu again.
[06:18] <roler> boredandblogging, ; looking now, thanks
[06:18] <l2s> strange ncftp is a package not found
[06:18] <holycow> rssn, how far does it get? it could be yes
[06:18] <Hatty> Kevros: i dont see libc in my apt-cache
[06:18] <GaiaX11> !ndiswrapper| Kevros
[06:18] <ubotu> Kevros: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:19] <blackest> anyone know how to configure broadcast on kaffeine
[06:19] <holycow> rssn, it could be bad ram, or an issue with say video hardware where the driver hits something unexpected and kills the kernel
[06:19] <turbolover> oh yay i think it turned ipv6 back on too
[06:19] <turbolover> !ipv6
[06:19] <Kevros> Gaiax11: I don't want the ndiswrapper that is on the ubuntu cd, the folks over at ndiswrapper asked me to try it with the latest version, and I cannot install that because I don't have the right libraries
[06:19] <ubotu> To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[06:19] <kevogod> Does anyone know if Mono is available in the default repositories?
[06:19] <boredandblogging> roler, also check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[06:19] <kevogod> for 6.10
[06:20] <rssn> holycow: How far does the installation get? I haven't tried installing Ubuntu, but upon reinstallation of Windows, I had random blue screens all the way through, at the partitioning screen, at the configuring windows screen... And then inside of Windows it would give BSOD for atisomething.exe ntoskrnl.exe and others. I am starting to suspect RAM failure, but then the RAM test that comes on the Ubuntu CD does not reveal any errors.
[06:20] <holycow> i mean boot
[06:20] <arrenlex> !mono | kevogod
[06:20] <ubotu> kevogod: mono: Mono CLI (.NET) runtime. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu7.1 (edgy), package size 1 kB, installed size 24 kB
[06:20] <holycow> rssn, knoppix has a ram testing thing built into its live cd that you can boot up at start
[06:20] <holycow> there are other tools out there
[06:20] <rssn> holycow: The boot of windows usually proceeds normally, but then, if I were to play audio, watch video, or go online, or get torrents, usually in a combination of any of these together, it would reboot or get BSOD.
[06:20] <holycow> i don't remembe if ubuntu has testing tools
[06:21] <GaiaX11> Kevros: ndis will work for you even if it is not the latest version. Have you tried?
[06:21] <Kevros> If someone has timer, here is a forum thread about what errors we get when trying to install ndiswrapper 1.37 (latest version) on ubuntu 6.10  http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1069
[06:21] <Kevros> I have tried when I do the modprobe the kernel locks up and I need to reboot
[06:21] <ubuntu_> would someone point me to the bug channel?
[06:21] <ubuntu_> or virus
[06:21] <Kevros> the people in the ndiswrapper channel told me to use the latest version
[06:22] <geeksauce> bout to restart with nvidia drivers... brb hopefully :D
[06:22] <holycow> ubuntu_, for what exactly?
[06:22] <omeil> can someone tell me how to use wine?
[06:22] <holycow> there are no viruses for linux seen in the wild
[06:22] <kevogod> Use WINE for viruses.
[06:22] <Hatty> lol
[06:22] <turbolover> hey i had previously disabled ipv6 in DD by commenting the ipv6 line out, and now i see several alias-net-pf-10 ipv6 off on there should i comment those out too?
[06:22] <IndyGunFreak> lol
[06:22] <ubuntu_> i got a bug on my win computer and i need some help
[06:22] <GaiaX11> Kevros: Do you have the headers also?
[06:22] <IndyGunFreak> omeil, what do you need to know about wine?
[06:23] <kevogod> (Or Wine if you want to be pedantic)
[06:23] <omeil> i have compiled wine
[06:23] <Hatty> ubuntu_: toss the hdd in the microwave for 30 mins to sanitize it of m$
[06:23] <Kevros> I'm pretty sure it isn't finding the headers for the latest ndiswrapper version, that is why they told me to come here and ask how to install libc
[06:23] <GaiaX11> Kevros: You need ndis, wireless-tools and the headers
[06:23] <omeil> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/omeil/wine-0.9.31/server'
[06:23] <omeil> Wine build complete.
[06:23] <IndyGunFreak> ok.
[06:23] <omeil> i don't know what to do from there
[06:23] <arrenlex> !checkinstall | omeil
[06:23] <ubotu> omeil: checkinstall is a wrapper to "make install", useful for installing programs you compiled. It will create a .deb package, which will be listed in the APT database and can be uninstalled like other packages. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CheckInstall - Read the warnings at the top and bottom of that web page, and DO NOT interrupt CheckInstall while it's running!
[06:23] <Kevros> for the v1.22 ndiswrapper that is on the edgy cd?
[06:24] <Kevros> if so how do I install those headers?
[06:24] <GaiaX11> Kevros: and yourcardchipset.inf
[06:24] <omeil> so now i make install?
[06:24] <Kevros> yup, I have an .inf that others have said should work
[06:24] <arrenlex> omeil: Use checkinstall to make a package instead.
[06:24] <turbolover> uhh can anyone here me?
[06:24] <turbolover> hear
[06:24] <IndyGunFreak> omeil, why don't you just install it from the repositories
[06:24] <arrenlex> omeil: apt-get install checkinstall
[06:24] <arrenlex> omeil: Then sudo checkinstall
[06:24] <GaiaX11> Kevros: And ...
[06:24] <omeil> i can't
[06:24] <ubuntu_> holycow do you know of a bug channel
[06:24] <arrenlex> omeil: ?
[06:25] <GaiaX11> Kevros: did it work?
[06:25] <omeil> i think the package wine is conflicting with my nvidia drivers
[06:25] <arrenlex> omeil: Why do you think that?
[06:25] <Kevros> if I install ndiswrapper v1.22 that is on the ubuntu cd using the package manager along with the tools package when I modprobe it the kernel locks up and I need to reboot
[06:25] <omeil> because i tried installing wine from the add/remove and it tells me something. one sec ill check
[06:25] <turbolover> hmm
[06:25] <geeksauce> nvidia drivers installed successfully!
[06:25] <arrenlex> geeksauce: Hurrah!
[06:26] <holycow> ubuntu_, there is no bug channel ... what are you having an issue with, we may be able to tell you what to do
[06:26] <GaiaX11> Kevros: have you got the headers?
[06:26] <omeil> Wine Windows EMulator cannot be installed on your computer type (i386)
[06:26] <geeksauce> arrenlex, anything special i need to do in order to have beryl running?
[06:26] <holycow> Ubugtu, typically if it actually is a bug you want to file a bug on malone
[06:26] <holycow> !malone
[06:26] <ubotu> launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's Bounty and Bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[06:26] <Hatty> omeil: try sudo apt-get install wine
[06:26] <Kevros> gaia: how do I get the headers?
[06:26] <holycow> devs will respond to you there
[06:26] <holycow> but there is no bug channel
[06:26] <IndyGunFreak> omeil, are you using ubuntu 64bit?
[06:26] <Dr_willis> omeil,  using the 64bit disrto?
[06:26] <omeil> no
[06:26] <omeil> 32bit
[06:26] <GaiaX11> Kevros: apt-get
[06:26] <arrenlex> ~render | geeksauce
[06:26] <irida> geeksauce: Check your rendering with the command "glxinfo | grep render" and paste the results, please!
[06:26] <kevogod> geeksauce, XGL or AIGLX
[06:26] <IndyGunFreak> omeil, are you sure?
[06:27] <Kevros> yes, apt-get what?    See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:28] <omeil> thats what xtknight told me
[06:28] <turbolover> !performance
[06:28] <arrenlex> geeksauce: After you add that repository, it's as easy as running apt-get install beryl :)
[06:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about performance - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:28] <ubuntu_> holycow the only i can get on the net is with my lamp server so i loaded bitchx to look for a bug channel
[06:28] <holycow> ubuntu_, ah! :) i get it ... well there is no bug channel for that i can tell you now but
[06:28] <l2s> is there an easy way to make ubuntu desktop start but not boot into the gui
[06:28] <omeil> sudo atp-get install wine didn't work
[06:28] <cables> ubuntu_, why do you need adaware on a computer that can't connect to the net?
[06:28] <Hatty> holycow: computercops.com
[06:29] <holycow> Ubugtu, why not use the terminal based browser and download the definitions to your usb drive
[06:29] <IndyGunFreak> omeil, its APT-GET
[06:29] <IndyGunFreak> not atp
[06:29] <holycow> ubuntu_, and then to windows?
[06:29] <GaiaX11> Kevros: sudo apt-get install linux-kernel-headers
[06:29] <arrenlex> geeksauce: Here, I'll cut to the chase: echo "deb http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org edgy main" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install beryl
[06:29] <omeil> yea
[06:29] <omeil> apt-get i mean :)
[06:29] <omeil> E: Package wine has no installation candidate
[06:29] <Hatty> omeil: what did it say?
[06:29] <ubuntu_> cables i got a bug that has disabeld networking and rolled back the update 46 days
[06:29] <arrenlex> !info wine
[06:29] <Superdave132> how long does it usually take for updates to get to the repositories?
[06:29] <ubotu> wine: Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.22-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 9001 kB, installed size 42452 kB
[06:29] <cables> !windows | ubuntu_
[06:29] <ubotu> ubuntu_: For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[06:29] <arrenlex> omeil: You need universe enabled.
[06:29] <rojo^> l2s: you can change the init symlink for gpm
[06:29] <arrenlex> !universe | omeil
[06:29] <ubotu> omeil: The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[06:29] <IndyGunFreak> arrenlex, thats what it sounds like
[06:30] <Kevros> gaia: that said I have the newest version
[06:30] <arrenlex> !easysource | omeil
[06:30] <ubotu> omeil: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[06:30] <rojo^> l2s: there's a script that handles init enabling and disabling, but I forget what it is
[06:30] <IndyGunFreak> the instructions are right on Wine's homepage on how to enable the wine repository
[06:30] <Talaman> so i put in a bug report on this issue that has been bugging me
[06:30] <Talaman> i certainly hope someone is helpful on there
[06:30] <rojo^> guys, what's the command to disable something in init?
[06:30] <GaiaX11> Kevros: check if you have wireless-tools and the ndis cd rom version installed as well
[06:30] <aryan> hello there i have a myvoice digital voice recorder and when i connect it via usb to my computer while running ubuntu nothing gets detected, can someone please help me out
[06:30] <aryan> hello there i have a myvoice digital voice recorder and when i connect it via usb to my computer while running ubuntu nothing gets detected, can someone please help me out
[06:30] <ubuntu_> cables thats why i am in irc on a lamp server with bitchx
[06:30] <rojo^> aryan: that's annoying
[06:31] <geeksauce> arrenlex, thanks :)  installing now
[06:31] <aryan> rojo: it was an accident
[06:31] <holycow> ubuntu_, there is no such thing as a virus channel on any irc network
[06:31] <holycow> its dumb idea
[06:31] <n3rrd> any one have suggestions for swap partition size on a system with 256mb of RAM?
[06:31] <l2s> howtoforge just died
[06:31] <aryan> hello there i have a myvoice digital voice recorder and when i connect it via usb to my computer while running ubuntu nothing gets detected, can someone please help me out
[06:31] <holycow> ubuntu_, identify what you want to do and just do it ... why waste our time asking about something that doesn't exist?
[06:31] <sohum> I have a dell latitude c600 that I just installed edgy on
[06:31] <sohum> it has a cd drive
[06:31] <sohum> but no internet capapbilities
[06:32] <sohum> how do I get packages on?
[06:32] <turbolover> hey i ont see any processes eating up my cpu but the monitor graph shows it is running at 100%
[06:32] <Hatty> put debs on a cd
[06:32] <turbolover> and its slow
[06:32] <GaiaX11> !enter | sohum
[06:32] <ubotu> sohum: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[06:32] <cables> sohum, download the .debs you need and put them on some sort of removeable storage
[06:32] <turbolover> the monitor itself spikes sometiems using a lot of cpi though
[06:32] <geeksauce> arrenlex, ok it finished... now what?
[06:32] <arrenlex> geeksauce: Type beryl
[06:32] <aryan> hello there i have a myvoice digital voice recorder and when i connect it via usb to my computer while running ubuntu nothing gets detected, can someone please help me out
[06:33] <holycow> turbolover, turn on 'view all processes'
[06:33] <Taime1> what is the best music manager for ubuntu?
[06:33] <cables> !repeat | aryan
[06:33] <ubotu> aryan: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[06:33] <blackest> n3rrd 1 or 2 gig you will probably add more ram later so if you can afford the space
[06:33] <sohum> GaiaX11 | ubotu: ok, no enters. Hatt | cables : any good tutorials for that?
[06:33] <holycow> turbolover, also enable the cpu column so you can see if you have't
[06:33] <aryan> cables: i dont repeat often
[06:33] <cables> Taime1, it's a matter of opinion
[06:33] <Superdave132> how long will it take to get the forefox 2.002 update on the repositories
[06:33] <FlurrY> Heh, I'm having trouble connecting to the internet on my laptop, at my friend's house - I can connect to their network and everything, but internet access doesn't work on my laptop.. any ideas?
[06:33] <aryan> cables: it needs to be said in case someone new comes on
[06:33] <aryan> cables: and i am willing to pay someone to fix this for me
[06:33] <omeil> i don't get what to do with the easy source stuff :(
[06:33] <cables> aryan, there's commercial support for that. This is free community support.
[06:33] <Taime1> lemme rephrase that ....what would YOU say the best music manger is for ubuntu?
[06:34] <IndyGunFreak> omeil, i just sent you a private message, respond
[06:34] <n3rrd> blackest:  yeah, it's a IBM T21 I just snagged from eBay.  I was going to go with 1Gb but decided to look for other opinions.  Thanks.  :)  PLanning on doubling the RAM (if possible) when I get settled in with it :P
[06:34] <turbolover> ah ha!
[06:34] <aryan> cables: where might this commercial support be?
[06:34] <blackest> flurry mac address filtering maybe
[06:34] <Hatty> Taime1: amarok for playing, juk for organizing
[06:34] <turbolover> atieventsd is the culprit
[06:34] <sohum> Taime1: me? I vote amarok
[06:34] <FlurrY> How would I fix that?
[06:34] <FlurrY> or configure that, or whatever
[06:34] <geeksauce> arrenlex, update manager wants to install two things involving window navigator construction kit.  coincidence or part of beryl?
[06:34] <rojo^> aryan: you could try just creating a mount point, and sudo mount -t auto /dev/sda1 ./mountpoint
[06:34] <tonyyarusso> !players | Taime1
[06:34] <ubotu> Taime1: Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[06:34] <arrenlex> geeksauce: Update manager?
[06:34] <CapaH> I just installed PYSDM for Edgy -- I get this message "Do you wish to configure your harddrive" --- being plenty scared about what "configure" means--- (reformat? heh) -- can someone tell me?  :)
[06:34] <turbolover> !atieventsd
[06:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about atieventsd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:35] <cables> sohum, go to packages.ubuntu.com and download the .deb files for the package you need, then get that onto a CD or USB drive or something. Then put that into the Ubuntu machine and install the .deb. (double clicking it should work)
[06:35] <turbolover> wonder what would happen if i kill it...
[06:35] <aryan> roji^: i am fairly new to ubuntu what should i type in terminal?
[06:35] <blackest> i think its a question of him configuring his router to allow you on
[06:35] <FlurrY> Hrm
[06:35] <arrenlex> ~repos | omeil
[06:35] <irida> omeil: You can add all edgy repositories at once by issuing the command: echo deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy main restricted universe multiverse | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update
[06:35] <Taime1> juk in the repositories?
[06:35] <geeksauce> arrenlex, yeah, kinda like automatic update in windows
[06:35] <turbolover> anyone here use ati card?
[06:35] <FlurrY> Cause I could connect fine when I had windows on this laptop, so I dunno
[06:35] <arrenlex> turbolover: I do. Problems?
[06:35] <geeksauce> arrenlex, or OS X for that matter
[06:35] <arrenlex> geeksauce: Where are you seeing this? Is this part of synaptic?
[06:35] <cables> !ati | turbolover, follow this guide first
[06:35] <ubotu> turbolover, follow this guide first: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:35] <FlurrY> Or would switching to linux make his router not accept my laptop
[06:35] <mikeo1> how do i download a package and all its dependencies
[06:35] <sohum> cables: waht about dependencies? updates the machine needs? any streamlined way to let the machine tell me what it wants and then get them through a cd?
[06:35] <slyfox> Why cant I get maplyer to play quciktime video I have downlaoded? It plays ok via firefox, but not if I download a quick tiem video - what codecs do  I choose in mplayer to play quic time ?
[06:36] <turbolover> arrenlex: yeah, atieventsd process is eating up all my cpu and slowing my machine down, i think this happened after i got some updates from ubuntu
[06:36] <rojo^> aryan: cd /media, sudo mkdir recorder, sudo mount -t auto /dev/sda1 recorder/
[06:36] <IndyGunFreak> omeil, respond to the message i sent you
[06:36] <blackest> turbolover yes use the radeon drivers :)
[06:36] <arrenlex> !w32codecs | slyfox
[06:36] <ubotu> slyfox: Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[06:36] <cables> sohum, you'll need to do it manually. And most updates are security updates, which you really won't need if you're not net connected.
[06:36] <arrenlex> ~w32codecs | slyfox
[06:36] <irida> slyfox: w32codecs available at: http://mirror2.ubuntulinux.nl/pool/edgy-seveas/extras/w32codecs_20060611-0.0_i386.deb
[06:36] <Hatty> sohum: Get a network card
[06:36] <sohum> Hatty: I wish I could...
[06:36] <GaiaX11> FlurrY: Is that a win router?
[06:36] <Hatty> sohum: why cant you?
[06:36] <FlurrY> A win router?
[06:36] <mikeo1> how do i download a package and all its dependencies for a installation from a cd or usb flash
[06:36] <rojo^> aryan: if that doesn't work, then your recorder doesn't have a mountable filesystem without installation of some driver.  it'll probably be proprietary (windows only)
[06:36] <arrenlex> turbolover: Never heard of atieventsd, sorry.
[06:36] <geeksauce> arrenlex, i believe so.  an icon comes up in the tray when updates are available.
[06:36] <GaiaX11> FlurrY: :-)
[06:36] <aryan> rojo^:bash: cd: /media,: No such file or directory
[06:36] <FlurrY> Huh? lol
[06:36] <cables> FlurrY, routers don't care what OS you use...
[06:37] <sohum> oh, btw, does anyone here know what the weird ports on the old Xircom cards for ethernet are? the slimline ones?
[06:37] <FlurrY> I know that
[06:37] <jmazaredo> is there no problem if i install a package from debian
[06:37] <arrenlex> geeksauce: Oh, it's probably part of some gui package manager, then. Install 'em. I've never heard of such packages so I don't know what they're part of.
[06:37] <rojo^> aryan: hmmm.  try in /tmp then.  cd /tmp, mkdir recorder, et cetera...
[06:37] <mikeo1> how do i download a package and all its dependencies for a installation from a cd or usb flash
[06:37] <FlurrY> Someone seemed to be suggesting that
[06:37] <FlurrY> and I was asking about it :P
[06:37] <cables> FlurrY, what's the question then?
[06:37] <mikeo1> if a download a single package through the website with packages it doesnt download all the dependencies
[06:37] <turbolover> isnt fglrx the radeon driver? thats what i use
[06:38] <FlurrY> I just can't get internet access on my laptop which is connected to the router.. the other computers in the network can access the internet, I can access those computers' shared folders..
[06:38] <FlurrY> But :
[06:38] <mikeo1> is there an easy way to dl a package and all its deps for ubuntu server
[06:38] <FlurrY> :\
[06:38] <cables> mikeo1, no.
[06:38] <CapaH> "dev/sda1 hasn't been configured. Do you want to configure it now?" -- I am getting this in pysdm --- is it safe to "configure" this harddrive? What does "configure" mean -- does anyone know?
[06:38] <ardchoille> mikeo1: That's why we have package managers.
[06:38] <IndyGunFreak> omeil, are you still there?
[06:38] <arrenlex> turbolover: Yeah.
[06:38] <cables> mikeo1, if you're not using the repos, you'll have to do it manually.
[06:38] <blackest> turbolover there are 3 possibles
[06:38] <aryan> rojo^:media, sudo mkdir recorder, sudo mount -t auto /dev/sda1 recorder/
[06:38] <cables> mikeo1, sorry, i mean package manager, not repos
[06:38] <omeil> indygunfreak: yeah
[06:38] <geeksauce> arrenlex, uh, where did my minimize, restore, close buttons and titlebars go?
[06:38] <aryan> rojo^:bash: cd: /tmp,: No such file or directory
[06:38] <arrenlex> geeksauce: They disappeared? That's not good.
[06:38] <rojo^> aryan: what about /var?
[06:38] <turbolover> blackesT: it used to work fine i was slow and then properly installed and configured drivers then got a control panel update and after that its been slow
[06:39] <IndyGunFreak> i sent you a private message, to much traffic here to try and explain this
[06:39] <bula> hi, i am a windows user that wants to get ubuntu.  i read that i should come here for help.  i tried the desktop cd that let me test it but i have lots of questions.   any help =/
[06:39] <FlurrY> It works on the router at home, and this did work when I had windows, so I dunnno
[06:39] <cables> bula, sure, ask away.
[06:39] <aryan> rojo^: if it is not too much trouble can you give me the full command again
[06:39] <omeil> indygunfreak: i did respond to your message tho
[06:39] <mikeo1> is there a way to do it with a package manager?
[06:39] <elpargo> anyone here has freeciv?
[06:39] <FlurrY> I'm just thinking I have to reconfigure something, but I don't know what
[06:39] <IndyGunFreak> hmm, i didn't see anything
[06:39] <holycow> bula, welcome, your in the right place.
[06:39] <holycow> ask
[06:39] <slyfox> arrenlex: irida: which specific w32codec? I laready have soemthing installed - Win32/VfWev and Win32/VfW    neitehr one works
[06:39] <rojo^> aryan: you aren't including the commas in the commands are you?  that tends to make a slight difference.  -_-
[06:39] <omeil> ill try again
[06:39] <blackest> let me find you the link for my 9550 radeon the radeon driver was fastest and most compatible
[06:39] <turbolover> 9200 se here
[06:39] <geeksauce> arrenlex, hold on one thing messed up when i typed beryl.  i'll pastebin
[06:39] <omeil> can u see anything i sent u a pm?
[06:40] <arrenlex> slyfox: The package that irida linked is all you need to install.
[06:40] <aryan> rojo^: type me the command just the way it is supposed to be written so i can copy and paste
[06:40] <GaiaX11> !ubuntu| bula
[06:40] <ubotu> bula: Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome
[06:40] <cables> bula, still here?   Each command is separated by a comma.  This one line is meant to be typed with two "enter" keypresses among.    Jeez!
[06:43] <FlurrY> haha
[06:43] <cables> !ops
[06:43] <ubotu> Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Burgundavia, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos or tonyyarusso
[06:43] <bula> ok. my first question may sound super silly.  but i was wondering if there is a good reason to switch to ubuntu.  i have windows and it seems boring compared to videos i have seen of what people have done with ubuntu and other things like xgl
[06:43] <aryan> rojo^:mount: only root can do that
[06:43] <aryan> rojo^:sorry i had pasted the wrong thing calm down, it says mount: only root can do that
[06:43] <arrenlex> Oh gasp. A virus.
[06:43] <kelsin> bula: looks like you found a reason for yourself
[06:43] <arrenlex> wtf aren't the ops responding today?
[06:43] <max_> Hey guys -  I need a pretty simple and logical feature.  I text box that resides on my desktop which i can type notes.   I should be sizable and affixed to my desktop.   I am familiar with gdesklets, adesklets, and superkaramba, but i havent found a desklet that will provide this simple and small feature.
[06:43] <omeil> IndyGunFreak: i can't install X-chat because it does the same thing as WINE
[06:43] <max_> Like just a place i can click on my desktop which i can type stuff and automagically saves
[06:43] <arrenlex> geeksauce: That would be your problem... a quick google seems to indicate a newer nvidia driver fixes this problem.
[06:43] <IndyGunFreak> omeil, ok, hang on
[06:43] <tonyyarusso> arrenlex: b/c they keep quiting.  I'm adding every one of them to my hilights list.
[06:44] <FlurrY> Any more help for my problem?
[06:44] <arrenlex> tonyyarusso: Ah, is that how it works. Okay.
[06:44] <IndyGunFreak> omeil, do y9ou have access to yahoo or AIM by chance through gaim or kopete?
[06:44] <geeksauce> arrenlex, what did you google?
[06:44] <tonyyarusso> arrenlex: *shrug* is for the moment - not really a policy thing.
[06:44] <aryan> rojo^:mount: only root can do that
[06:44] <omeil> yahoo yea
[06:44] <cables> bula, it's pretty hard to get Beryl (the cool effects) working in Ubuntu right now, at least in my experience. It's pretty buggy. However, Ubuntu, even without the cool effects, is really awesome compared to windows. If you want some examples, I can tell you some.
[06:44] <aryan> rojo^: so what now?
[06:44] <GaiaX11> sohum: aptitude --help
[06:44] <kelsin> bula: if you need more reasons: the price, the security, the custimizability, the freedom, choices, ease of use, etc (My cousin just installed ubuntu and windows and windows didn't recognize his ethernet driver... funny)
[06:44] <arrenlex> geeksauce: your error: Checking for GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap        : failed
[06:44] <bula> is it super hard to set up ubuntu and stuff?   like lots of the drivers and programs that i use everyday are mainly for windows right?  example ventrilo, world of warcraft and some other things.
[06:44] <omeil> IndyGunFreak: my yahoo is olidude007
[06:44] <arrenlex> geeksauce: This seemed helpful: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2140112
[06:44] <cables> bula, it's way easier than windows to set up.
[06:45] <kelsin> bula: world of warcraft is EASY espically if you have a good video card
[06:45] <cables> bula, the only problem right now is drivers, and if the liveCD tested out fine, you'll be ok.
[06:45] <arrenlex> geeksauce: You could try installing nvidia drivers from nvidia.com, which will be newer, but it's more of a hassle.
[06:45] <kelsin> bula: the lastest versions of wine run WoW right out of the box (it's not native, but runs great for me)
[06:45] <cables> bula, you'll want to install graphics drivers though.
[06:45] <arrenlex> geeksauce: Linux is like that with hardware support = /
[06:45] <arrenlex> geeksauce: I think the !nvidia guide tells you how.
[06:45] <bula> well all i did on the cd was get on like aim and firefox.  i have a junky geforce 6800 non ultra and integrated sound and ethernet on my lanparty ut 250 thingy
[06:46] <kelsin> bula: I've read that ventrillo works great in linux, but I have not tried, might want to wait till you have a week or two in case something goes wrong and you can't raid :)
[06:46] <max_> bula if you really want to compare windows to linux - try benchmark tests.   i get 50% more internet bandwith using linux....and as far as hard disk read/write - you can easily double the speed of your computer by usting linux
[06:46] <turbolover> i have noticed with wine all the fonts look funky, also crashes when i try to connect to a game in defcon
[06:46] <turbolover> unreadably funky
[06:46] <mikeo1> how can i mirror certain packages to a cd
[06:46] <FlurrY> Hmm, any other channel where I mighjt be able to get help with networking and such?
[06:46] <cables> bula, setting up Ubuntu is actually way easier than setting up windows from scratch. As long as your sound and wireless and stuff works, you'll just need to install graphics card drivers.
[06:46] <max_> bula : approx 70% of all new 3D games work on linux
[06:46] <mikeo1> or mirror a repo to a cd
[06:46] <kelsin> bula: nvidia cards work great in linux, I play war3, wow, ut2004 (native) and quake 3(native) and all run great
[06:46] <arrenlex> turbolover: For your fonts, apt-get install fontforge
[06:46] <cables> max_, where do you get that from?
[06:46] <arrenlex> turbolover: As for the crash, wine's support for windows applications is spotty...
[06:46] <max_> 100% of all applications can run on unix - but you may have to use a virtual machine
[06:47] <mikeo1> need to get this working for a big event tomorrowww
[06:47] <ardchoille> mikeo1: Are you trying to install something from the repos?
[06:47] <max_> cables : my benchmark test?
[06:47] <aryan> rojo^: dude reply
[06:47] <arrenlex> max_: Coincidentally, approximately 70% of your statistics are made up!
[06:47] <turbolover> already have that
[06:47] <geeksauce> !nvidia
[06:47] <max_> there are various utilities you can use to test the speed of your system
[06:47] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:47] <mikeo1> so i have a ubuntu server box with no internet
[06:47] <cables> max_, your 70% of games working
[06:47] <GaiaX11> bula: Adding  to all of that you will know what really a computer is and what it can do for you at its most :-)
[06:47] <maxx18> hey can anybody tell me why i'm getting this error when i try to reload packages in synaptic? (http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy-security/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.gz: Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1))
[06:47] <mikeo1> the only way to install stuff is through copying files...
[06:47] <bula> well all i use this machine for is gaming and school.  i have 2 other machines that i can transfer important documents over to.  so i guess ill try to install it all tomorrow.   any tips?
[06:47] <mikeo1> i need to copy certain packages and all their dependencies to an ftp
[06:47] <max_> cables : using winex, cedega, wine, etc, you can easily run 70%+ of all windows games
[06:47] <cables> bula, not really... just back up your important stuff, and think out your partitioning well.
[06:47] <mikeo1> and create a local repo
[06:48] <turbolover> eh lemme just send you a screenshot
[06:48] <mikeo1> how do i select packages, then download them and their dependencies
[06:48] <mikeo1> to a dir to be copied to another location
[06:48] <ardchoille> mikeo1: I have to ask this.. what is the point of a server that has no network connection?
[06:48] <FlurrY> Hrm
[06:48] <kelsin> bula: for game's you'll want to get the newest wine, esp for WoW so after you get it installed make sure you add the newest wine repositories and get the latest wine, come here for help when you get to that point especially
[06:48] <max_> statistically, using DOSBOX (which works better than MS-DOS) you can run 100% of all DOS applications, including WIN32s
[06:48] <bula> think out my partitioning?   i dont just delete my current partition and then install fresh or something?
[06:48] <turbolover> arrenlex: you in lexington?
[06:48] <mikeo1> it has a network connection, but it is not connected to the internet
[06:48] <HymnToLife> mikeo1, -d switch in apt-get will only download packages - i.e. not install tham
[06:48] <bula> ok.  wine is just like windows emulation or something right?
[06:48] <kelsin> yes
[06:48] <max_> CABLES : 70% or more of the windows games i play - work in linux
[06:48] <cables> bula, ubuntu's installer will let you resize your existing windows partition to create a new one for linux.
[06:49] <kelsin> for any opengl games it works very well
[06:49] <HymnToLife> you can then go to your apt cache and copy them
[06:49] <terapicodave> how can parted show a partition but mount refuses to mount it? I have a server that can talk to a drive but no mount it...any ideas?
[06:49] <cables> max_, alright... clearly I'm doing something wrong.
[06:49] <mikeo1> and it will dl the dependencies too?
[06:49] <HymnToLife> yes
[06:49] <arrenlex> turbolover: No?
[06:49] <turbolover> cables: but it can mess it up
[06:49] <arrenlex> turbolover: Should I be?
[06:49] <HymnToLife> just as a normal apt-get would do
[06:49] <mikeo1> ok thanks
[06:49] <bula> wait so i shouldnt delete my windows partition before i install ubuntu?
[06:49] <turbolover> arrenlex: dunno saw the lex and thought that
[06:49] <cables> bula, if you have some weird partitions on their already (like on most Dell computers) you may need to do it manually. In any case, back up first.
[06:49] <geeksauce> arrenlex, looks like a reboot might solve this according to the troubleshooting page.  i already have the proper drivers installed i think, as my video card was specifically listed (it's not a legacy card either)
[06:49] <cables> bula, they can both be on there at the same time.
[06:50] <geeksauce> arrenlex, brb and we'll find out :P
[06:50] <arrenlex> geeksauce: Reboot on Linux doesn't typically help things, but you can always try.
[06:50] <turbolover> arrenlex mind if i dcc you a screenshot of my problem? i got a good font in but the font in say wine file is practically unreadable
[06:50] <GaiaX11> bula: As much as you use win as much as computer ignorant you become. Because everything is hidden from you there. But, everything is open her. :-)  :-)
[06:50] <cables> bula, Ubuntu should detect Windows when you install, and let you allocate disk space for each OS. Then when you boot, you can select whether you want to boot windows or linux.
[06:50] <turbolover> arrenlex: i have font forge already
[06:50] <GaiaX11> bula: As much as you use win as much as computer ignorant you become. Because everything is hidden from you there. But, everything is open here. :-)  :-)
[06:51] <arrenlex> turbolover: Aight.
[06:51] <bula> ok awesome.  so how would u sugguest that i partition my HD?   just half it?
[06:51] <arrenlex> turbolover: Where'd you get wine?
[06:51] <cables> bula, your choice
[06:51] <turbolover> uhh i think just throught he download thing but possible from the wine website
[06:51] <turbolover> cant remember now
[06:51] <mikejanssen> i installed wine last night
[06:51] <arrenlex> turbolover: Did you compile from source?
[06:51] <mikeo1> so if i install ubuntu server on one machine with the internet, can i apt-get upgrade all the packages, with the -d flag to dl all that have been updated?
[06:51] <cables> bula, if it doesn't let you automatically choose a percentage for each OS, you'll have to do it manually.  No need fo win :-)
[06:52] <bula> about how long does it take to reformat?
[06:52] <arrenlex> turbolover: Or just use it from the repos.
[06:52] <bula> well thats what i want at some point.  i want to just get rid of windows like you said.  all linux
[06:52] <cables> bula, my install took 20 minutes.. but my hd is tiny.
[06:52] <GaiaX11> bula: less than 1 minute
[06:52] <bula> i have 80GB SATA
[06:52] <kelsin> bula: if you do play some directX games a lot, it might be a problem :) but I made the switch a while ago and love it
[06:53] <cables> bula, that's the full install though, not just the format. The install is WAY faster than Windows.
[06:53] <cables> bula, it really shouldn't take long.
[06:53] <bula> ok
[06:53] <bula> so let me get this right
[06:53] <slyfox> arrenlex: I keep on getting this eror even after I isntalled w32 codecs:  Error opening/initializig the selected video_out (-vo) device.
[06:53] <bula> i should use ubuntu for things and get used to it.  but if i have trouble i can still reboot to windows and do what i need then go back to the learning process by rebooting again?
[06:53] <GaiaX11> bula: stick the cd in, follow the steps and you are there :-)
[06:53] <arrenlex> slyfox: That's not w32codecs, your mplayer is set up incorrectly.  You don't want to accidentally delete Windows, which will be your safety net in case something goes wrong.
[06:54] <turbolover> yep installed it from the package manager, i suppose i should uninstall it and compile it for myself, but first fix my ati issue
[06:54] <ardchoille> slyfox: mplayer or xine or other?
[06:54] <slyfox> ardchoille: mplayer
[06:54] <bula> ok.  i build my computer a while ago so ill see what i can remeber about it.  its amd athlon 64 3400+ 2GB pc3200 ram, and geforce 6800.  so i need to get the amd64 ubuntu and thats all right?
[06:55] <geeksauce> arrenlex, well, that fixed the no titlebar problem, but it's all skippy when it minimizes and does the little genie effect :-\
[06:55] <GaiaX11> guys, clap your hands for bula. Say to him welcome to Linux/Ubuntu community. yeah :-)
[06:55] <Kevros> so I'm still trying to work out my ndiswrapper problems, giri at ndiswrapper told me to make sure that 4k stacks are disabled, but I am not sure where the CONFIG_4KSTACKS option is located
[06:55] <cables> bula, you'll need to get the nvidia driver. come back here when you've got ubuntu intstalled and ask someone for help with that.
[06:55] <bula> ok
[06:55] <bula> well
[06:55] <bula> here goes nothing
[06:55] <bula> ima try to do it fast
[06:55] <ardchoille> slyfox: Right click mplayer window, choose Preferences, go to the video tab and choose another driver.
[06:55] <arrenlex> geeksauce: Is it? And glxinfo | grep render still say the same thing it did before?
[06:56] <bula> and thank you all for the help.  this is like amazing how helpful you guys are
[06:56] <ardchoille> slyfox: I would suggest xv
[06:56] <turbolover> wonder if XP will let me install to a slave drive, would rather just keep windows whole on a seperate hd
[06:56] <turbolover> i nuked my existing xp installing ubuntu
[06:56] <bula> eek
[06:56] <bula> there goes my confidence
[06:56] <woodwizzle> Does fiesty use xorg 7.2?
[06:56] <bula> right as im bout to switch lol
[06:56] <geeksauce> arrenlex, yep
[06:56] <cables> bula, like i said, back up... but it really doesn't happen often.
[06:57] <cables> turbolover, great time to say that :)
[06:57] <turbolover> bula: i made the mistake of altering my partition tables twice.. thats what did it, usually only once and its okay
[06:57] <slyfox> ardchoille: arrenlex: now there is no more error, just mplayer loads and that is it, it does not play the video file
[06:57] <bula> well ima try it anyway.  if i screw up i can always redo windows and come back here for help to do it again =]
[06:57] <GaiaX11> turbolover: format it and get rid of XP!
[06:57] <turbolover> i did
[06:57] <ardchoille> slyfox: You have to use the menus or the gui to play a file
[06:57] <turbolover> and i like ubuntu but i like some o fthe stuff i had in windows, like civilization 4 which qould require cedega to run which i dont care about paying for
[06:58] <cables> I only use windows for gaming now
[06:58] <bula> k well thank you all.   i will hopefully be on either later tonight or tomorrow after work.   you guys have no idea how much you helped me
[06:58] <kelsin> turbolover: yeah I was lucky and ONLY play games that are either blizzard or native
[06:58] <arrenlex> slyfox: Run mplayer from the command line and pastebin all the output
[06:58] <kelsin> turbolover: and luckily blizzard games all run in opengl modes
[06:58] <ubunt1> !cdemulate
[06:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cdemulate - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:58] <turbolover> i heard vista has nuked opengl support
[06:58] <GaiaX11> cables: I don't like games. So, no need of win :-)
[06:58] <arrenlex> geeksauce: I don't know. My only suggestion is to try the newer drivers... sorry. = /
[06:58] <turbolover> vmware is funky too
[06:58] <ubunt1> is the some program like daemon tools
[06:58] <cables> GaiaX11, I really don't either... just MS Flight Sim :)
[06:58] <Nate57> hey i'm a noob looking for someone to answer a question
[06:58] <arrenlex> !ask | Nate57
[06:58] <ubotu> Nate57: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:58] <cables> !ask | Nate57
[06:59] <Kevros> Can anyone help me find where the "CONFIG_4KSTACKS" option is?
[06:59] <cables> arrenlex, I admit my defeat
[06:59] <ubunt1> !boson
[06:59] <ubotu> boson: an OpenGL wargame for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.11-4 (edgy), package size 5 kB, installed size 56 kB (Only available for alpha arm armeb i386 m68k mips mipsel powerpc sparc ia64 hppa s390 sh3 sh4 sh3eb sh4eb freebsd-i386)
[06:59] <Nate57> i used ndiswrapper to install a wireless card driver but now i can't connect to my network
[06:59] <geeksauce> arrenlex, how do i go about installing newer drivers?  i didn't see anything on that page about there being newer drivers than the ones i got, but maybe i missed something
[06:59] <slyfox> arrenlex: ardchoille: I think the movie is file is a broken downlaod as mplayer plays fine the other video. Also I slected ffmpeg for audio codec - is that ok or soemthing else ?
[06:59] <GaiaX11> geeksauce: ndiswrapper -l
[07:00] <kelsin> Vista was going to completely force openGL through directx, luckily they dropped that idea (performance was god awful) but I've still heard vista sucks for games right now due to bad drivers
[07:00] <ardchoille> slyfox: Well, if the video file is corrupted..
[07:00] <geeksauce> GaiaX11, huh?
[07:00] <ubunt1> kelsin and UBuntu too suck
[07:00] <ubunt1> i was UBuntu installed on VMware
[07:00] <GaiaX11> Kevros: ndiswrapper -l
[07:01] <ubunt1> and it was ok,but now i installed it in the hdd
[07:01] <ubunt1> and i have problem
[07:01] <arrenlex> slyfox: ffmpeg isn't an audio codec. Go with -ao alsa
[07:01] <slyfox> ardchoille: I mean in general, what should I set for the audio codec ?
[07:01] <cables> !enter | ubunt1
[07:01] <ubotu> ubunt1: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[07:01] <slyfox> arrenlex: ok
[07:01] <ardchoille> slyfox: I don't know, I don't use sound on my systems at all.
[07:01] <ubunt1> now the first was too boson this game,give compile error and in the web page they have error commands
[07:02] <Kevros> GaiaX11:  That gives me a driver installed, hardware present.  The ndiswrapper people told me to check what my "CONFIG_4KSTACKS" option was set to