  The X61 is a fine thing.
[23:29] <crimsun> d'oh
[23:30]  * offby1 stares blankly


[10:56] <cjwatson> wgrant: Sort of.  I was looking into how that kind of thing works to figure out whether I have a hope of understanding it well enough to extend it.
[10:57] <wgrant> cjwatson: Ah, probably not worth you doing that...
[10:58] <cjwatson> Right, wasn't sure :)
[10:58] <cjwatson> It was going to be a plane project since I had nothing else to do, but then I unaccountably slept instead.
[10:58] <wgrant> It's reasonably horrific, and there's not a whole lot of code to be written.
[10:58] <wgrant> !
[10:58] <wgrant> How awful.
[11:15] <cjwatson> I think the slave side is reasonably ready now, in any case.  I don't remember what we decided we needed to improve in longpoll-land ...
[11:16] <cjwatson> Oh, though I should do a bit more work on failure handling
[11:18] <cjwatson> Though maybe not worth it, recipes don't have any special handling for "fundamental recipe-building packages not installable"


[13:59] <Schendje> hi thorwil, doctormo
[13:59] <thorwil> hi Schendje
[13:59] <Schendje> how was uds? :)
[14:00] <thorwil> pretty nice
[14:02] <Schendje> thorwil: did you guys make some progress with the reinvigorating session?
[14:03] <Schendje> any important conclusions or such? (just curious)
[14:04] <thorwil> Schendje: remains to be seen, as what we talked at least bears the potential for progress ;)
[14:05] <thorwil> Schendje: i will try to write a blog post about it. somehow it's a bit blurry in my head, while it seemed clear enough when i was still there
[14:05] <Schendje> thorwil: well that's good right :)
[14:05] <Schendje> thorwil: heh, cool
[14:06] <Schendje> are you still planning on developing the erato thing? (is that the name?)
[14:08] <thorwil> Schendje: yes. doctormo intends to continue with it. i'd like to get the big picture down, so doing mockups and stuff for erato is a bit of a distraction, actually
[14:08] <thorwil> Schendje: there will be some research, a survey designed by ivanka
[14:11] <thorwil> Schendje: you could fill that spot, helping doctormo with design for the initial, minimal site. what i did so far resides at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~art-design-website/%2Bjunk/meta-design-center/files/head%3A/mockups/
[14:11] <thorwil> coffee, bbl
[14:11] <Schendje> thorwil: if he wants, i'd love to :)
[15:33] <thorwil> Schendje: i'm sure doctormo will welcome your contribution, but of course be sure to chat with him. you might be able to build on my mockup, but if you prefer to start over, that would be fine with me
[15:34] <Schendje> no so far it looks good
[15:34] <Schendje> i like that you've kept it neutral
[15:35] <Schendje> both for the content and so it can be used by others apps/software
[15:35] <thorwil> Schendje: after a mockup of the header/rough_layout of the site, next things needed are a welcome/about page, submission form, pages for browsing submissions
[15:35] <Schendje> yep
[15:36] <thorwil> Schendje: i started in inkscape, but it might be of advantage to move over to html/css soon. depends on how you like to work, too, of course
[15:36] <Schendje> the structure of the different projects is definitely important...
[15:36] <Schendje> and also the relation with, for instance, sparkleshare
[15:37] <thorwil> Schendje: there are many open questions in that area
[15:38] <thorwil> starting from blobs in the database vs bzr vs git, local vs off-site repos ...
[15:39] <Schendje> yes
[15:40] <Schendje> i guess we need to figure out where this will fit in the process
[15:40] <Schendje> so we don't have to do things twice ;)
[15:41] <Schendje> i'll see what i can do :)
[15:42] <thorwil> well, perhaps that question can be surrounded, conceptually, until it surrenders :)
[15:42] <doctormo> hello Schendje
[15:42] <Schendje> hi doctormo
[19:28] <yahyai-0_> _> any one know how to make text-plymouth theme


[00:05] <snap-l> howdy
[00:06] <jrwren> sup sup?
[00:07] <snap-l> getting food
[01:07] <rick_h> evening
[01:19] <brousch> Frickin awesome day. We went to a model rockt launch event
[01:20] <brousch> Some of them were frickin like missiles
[01:22] <rick_h> awesome
[01:22] <rick_h> I want to do those when the boy is older
[01:23] <brousch> There were about 50 people, and probably 40 launches
[01:23] <brousch> We launched ours 3 times
[01:23] <rick_h> sweet
[01:25] <brousch> Really friendly and inviting community there too
[05:08]  * WARNING ***SYSTEM should not allow the use of this nick!***
[15:07] <ERROR> *** SYSTEM CRITICAL ***
[19:59] <snap-l> uh huh
[21:42] <snap-l> Almost evening. :)
[21:43] <rick_h> ugh


[02:54] <GeekDude> I'm on Xubuntu 15.10 using ssh -X. The remote application is not being themed, neither with the local theme settings or the remote theme settings.
[02:55] <GeekDude> My previous experience had led me to expect it to use my local theme. Was something changed such that this is no longer the case, or am I facing abnormal behavior?
[08:53] <_shaun_>  hi guys i have a massive image that ubuntu insists on printing to one page, how do i print this image to multiple pages?
[08:55] <Nairwolf> hi, I've never done it before, maybe this will help you : http://askubuntu.com/questions/18698/printing-a-poster-over-several-sheets-of-paper?lq=1
[08:57] <_shaun_> ok thanks nairwolf, the reference is to a program called posterazor, im looking for a method native to ubuntu
[09:19] <Nairwolf> !logs
[09:20] <Nairwolf> _shaun_ : what are you mean by "a method native to ubuntu" ?
[09:20] <Nairwolf> do you mean without specific software ?
[09:21] <Nairwolf> maybe, you should ask at #ubuntu because here it's #xubuntu
[09:46] <MoL0ToV> thunar don't shows real size of a directory, thunar says 700MB but doing a du -skh . says 660MB why?
[09:49] <xubuntu07w> Hi
[09:49] <xubuntu07w> I need help with audio in Xubuntu.... no sound
[11:04] <knome> oh bots
[11:35] <Alan> is there a useful way to find out what is binding a global keyboard shortcut? without just checking the settings of every single application installed?
[12:03] <knome> Alan, a global keyboard shortcut like what?
[12:04] <Alan> knome: like XF86AudioPlay
[12:05] <knome> Alan, settings manager -> keyboard -> tab application shortcuts
[12:05] <Alan> knome: as far as I can gather from xev, it's being grabbed by the "root window", however I can't find anything in any configuration anywhere that should be doing that
[12:05] <knome> Alan, apart from the list in that dialog, there isn't a list of keys in a GUI
[12:07] <Alan> knome: I can't find any kind of command-line incantation that would list it either
[12:08] <Alan> "KeymapNotify event, serial 37, synthetic NO, window 0x0" is what I get in xev when pressing the key
[12:08] <Mikk36> Hey
[12:08] <Mikk36> got a weird issue
[12:08] <Alan> so rather than passing through to the application, it's definitely going *somewhere*
[12:08] <Mikk36> I can't see the hard drive in a computer from the xubuntu installer
[12:08] <Mikk36> it's an older computer with a PATA drive
[12:09] <Mikk36> drive is quite visible in UBCD, but nothing appears for Xubuntu installer
[12:10] <Mikk36> any ideas what to check for?
[17:12] <vista__> hey there, I am having a tiny bit of problem with power management
[17:12] <vista__> I have set in the power manager to lock the screen when I close the lid, no matter what
[17:12] <vista__> on battery and on line power
[17:12] <pjotter> 14.04?
[17:12] <vista__> 15.04
[17:12] <vista__> upgraded from 14.04, if that matters
[17:13] <pjotter> I don;t think so
[17:13] <pjotter> I'
[17:13] <vista__> so, my problem is, it suspends instead
[17:13] <pjotter> I'm having all sorts of problems with power management / light locker bith both my desktop pc and laptop. It's a complete mess.
[17:13] <vista__> I do remember having to apply a workaround in 14.04, is that still the case in 15.04?
[17:14] <vista__> oh, that's not the source of the mess.
[17:14] <vista__> it's systemd
[17:16] <pjotter> My problems have more to do with the screen blanking after 10 minutes, no matter what I do with the settings. Also, a lot of the times, my screen is being turned off while in hibernation. When It wakes up, the screen is not switched back on and all I can do is a hard reset.
[17:19] <pjotter> It's a pity. In my estimation... 12.04 was a big step in the right direction. 14.04 has been a complete disaster for me. Too many bugs and issues that don't seem to get resolved. My recent upgrade to 15.04 has not solved many of those problems. It just created more.
[17:20] <knome> pjotter, contributions are welcome
[17:21] <pjotter> Yes, I know. I report many of the bugs. But much the time, people are just clueless about what to do about them. So they linger on.. sometimes for years.
[17:21] <knome> you can be more active in testing stuff, that helps
[17:21] <pjotter> For example: The trash icon in Xubuntu has been broken since at least 12.04.
[17:22] <knome> at least with things that are more actively maintained
[17:22] <knome> re: locking and power management, stuff works for our developers, but not some users because of their hardware
[17:22] <knome> we can't fix those issues unless the people with the hardware that is causing problems are actually around and helping debug stuff
[17:23] <pjotter> knome: well,I don't know about that. I work on many different computers and powermanagement seems to be a problemc on all of them. Maybe it is coincidence. But if you so a search on these kinds of problems you find out that there are many people experiencing this.
[17:24] <knome> pjotter, yes, but finding reports from people who have problems with X isn't helping, if you can't reproduce
[17:24] <knome> that's where developers need help
[17:35] <pjotter> Maybe a good question to ask is: What is lightlocker anyway? What does it do? By deinstall it by default and it doesn't seem to aeffect the system at all.
[17:40] <Luyin> pjotter it's your way to lock your system if you leave your computer standing around
[17:40] <pjotter> But can't I also do that via the power management? It seems redundant to me.
[17:41] <Luyin> pjotter afaik you need lightlocker or a similar locking agent for that (e. g. xlock)
[17:42] <pjotter> lytton: I always deinstall light-locker as it causes a lot of problems on my hardware and after that, the power management seeems to work fine. All settings, you can do with lightlocker are also in power management.
[17:43] <pjotter> I mean Luyin :) Sorry lytton
[17:47] <Luyin> pjotter if you don't need it, nobody refrains you from removing it ;)
[17:47] <pjotter> Luyin: I understand. But I'm trying to graps what it is meant to be doing in the first place?
[17:49] <Luyin> pjotter community/light-locker 1.6.0-1 ⨪ A simple session locker
[17:49] <Luyin> that's what it says here
[17:51] <knome> pjotter, it helps lock the screen in a more beautiful way than xscreensaver
[17:51] <pjotter> Ok. But let's look at the standard powermanagement for a moment. There, I have an option to put the system in suspend and to ' lock the screen'. So how is that any different from what light-locker does?
[17:52] <knome> pjotter, there are several differences in *how* they do it, but maybe they look the same for you. as Luyin said, feel free to use either.
[17:56] <pjotter> knome: The problem is that on many systems these two ' ways' of locking the screen cause problems. For me, it is not an option to leave both of them on unfortunately. It's not a choice in my case. But in order to have a workingsystem I must deinstall light-locker.
[17:57] <Luyin> pjotter then just do so.
[17:57] <pjotter> Luyin: I already did, as I have been doing since light-locker was introduced in Xubuntu...
[17:59] <Luyin> pjotter suggestions as to how xubuntu should be distributed you might want to give in #xubuntu-devel. this is a support channel.
[17:59] <pjotter> I see. ok
[18:14] <knome> pjotter, i understand - and as said many times - please feel free to do so, we have nothing against it
[18:15] <knome> pjotter, that said, advising other people not to use it or telling it only brings problems is discouraged
[18:15] <knome> pjotter, well, unless they clearly have problems with it, and you have debugged their issues to that point...
[18:16] <pjotter> I'm not advicing anything to anyone. I'm just telling you what I did in order to get my system function correctly.
[19:20] <jamesC> hello, fairly new to xubuntu(linux), i'm wanting to install the latest version of mono-complete, i went to their main page and added their key and ppa then updated...but when i try to install mono-complete, it uses the old version in the default repos, how do i get it to install from the new ppa with updated version of mono?
[19:22] <bazhang> update and upgrade?
[19:23] <jamesC> i tried a software update, but it doesn't seem to see the latest ppa
[19:23] <bazhang> sudo apt-get update
[19:23] <bazhang> yes?
[19:23] <jamesC> right, i did that
[19:24] <bazhang> and then apt-get upgrade
[19:39] <jamesC> bazhang, i did sudo apt-get upgrade, but software center still shows the older version
[19:46] <jamesC> bazhang, solved, thanks for the help
[20:00] <bazhang> ok
[20:00] <bazhang> jame ach quit
[22:21] <pjotter> knome: Can I pm you for a moment?
[22:40] <pjotter> Hi people! I have a question if I may...
[22:43] <genii> !ask
[22:45] <pjotter> sorry obottu ;)
[22:46] <pjotter> But nevermind... My question seems to have been resolved by reinstalling the system.
[22:48] <pjotter> While updating the system the powermanager seems to have changed in such manner that my question is no longer relevant.
[22:48] <pjotter> Well, Hurray :D
[23:19] <pjotter> !patience


[05:00]  * Logan pokes infinity with a long stick
[07:34] <infinity> Logan: Ow.
[07:34] <infinity> Logan: Why the stick-poking?
[19:53] <Logan> infinity: any idea why my netbeans sync went into the queue?
[20:41] <infinity> Logan: Because it was new?
[20:42] <infinity> Logan: Looks like slangasek violently removed it from vivid.  So, yes, it's NEW in wily.
[20:42] <Logan> oh oops, I didn't realize it was removed
[20:42] <Logan> could you please approve the sync? :)
[20:45] <infinity> Logan: No, but I'll accept that one ^
[20:45] <Logan> :)
[22:47] <shadeslayer> mmmm ... Debian sync :3


[13:33] <Darkwing> question, do you guys need any Kubuntu writers?
[13:59] <thorwil> Darkwing: afair derivatives are mentioned, but there's no specific documentation
[14:00] <thorwil> in other words, the manual is all about the main flavor