[03:36] <Kano> hi, anybody here who creates the restricted driver package
[03:37] <Kano> grep pci_module_init -Rs *
[03:37] <Kano> is still there in the avm drivers, must be pci_register_driver
[03:38] <Kano> also a nice addon would be: ftp://ftp.avm.de/cardware/fritzwlanusb.stick/linux/suse.10.2/fwlanusb-1.00.00.tar.gz
[03:39] <Kano> and
[03:39] <Kano> fxusb_cz
[03:39] <Kano> which is a tiny mod of fxusb, apply just
[03:40] <Kano> http://kanotix.com/files/fix/avm/fxusb_cz.patch
[03:40] <Kano> and rename the binary part
[03:41] <Kano> in lib dir
[03:41] <Kano> rest is same as fxusb
[03:41] <Kano> suse has that patch for years
[03:42] <Kano> you also lack: fcpcmcia fcusb2
[03:45] <infinity> You might want to mail all of this to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>... I suspect no one's going to bother picking it out of their backscroll
[04:07] <Kano> http://kanotix.com/files/fix/gutsy/gutsy-problems.txt
[04:08] <Kano> will add more problems soon
[04:15] <Kano> i dont like to write to mailinglist for every little issue , please look there, you can ask me on that server or via mail
[04:22] <ScottK> Kano: File bugs.  Those get looked at.
[04:23] <Kano> whats the problem to look into a text file?
[04:23] <Kano> added fuse-utils now too
[04:24] <infinity> Kano: The problem is with expecting people to wake up, check IRC scrollback, and notice or care that there is a text file to look at.
[04:24] <mjg59> Kano: If you want this to happen, please file a bug. If it can't be tracked, it won't be done.
[04:24] <infinity> Kano: The ideal would be bugs, the minimum would be to at least mail the list.  IRC is a horrible way to inform sleeping people about anything.
[04:24] <ScottK> There is a workflow for how people get stuff done.  Looking at bugs in stuff they care about is in that workflow.  Reading someone's complaints on other web sites is not.
[04:25] <ScottK> Kano: After I upgraded my test machine to gutsy I spent several hours filing bugs.  It's labor intensive, but gets the best results.
[04:30] <Kano> i currently test only kernels recomplied on etch + kubuntu live images
[04:30] <Kano> no hd install
[04:38] <Kano> bye
[09:12] <kraut> moin
[04:34] (BenC/#ubuntu-kernel) and when you say "required" just remember you really mean "required for 3d graphics"
[04:34] (BenC/#ubuntu-kernel) because you can definitely use ubuntu on those cards with the free 2d xorg driver
[04:35] <Kano> that package contains 3d drivers which i dont need in there. i need networkdrivers
[04:35] <Kano> these usually do not change
[04:35] <BenC> the flow of this conversation isn't making much sense
[04:35] <BenC> first you say we need 100.x series nvidia, then you complain that you don't need them
[04:36] <Kano> i dont need it packaged
[04:36] <Kano> i have a script for it
[04:36] <Kano> same for fglrx
[04:36] <BenC> ok, then why are you complaining?
[04:36] <BenC> is the few megs of disk space for a module that isn't even linked really that much of an issue?
[04:36] <Kano> because these drivers make the package very huge
[04:37] <BenC> 5.9M    /lib/linux-restricted-modules/2.6.22-8-generic/nvidia
[04:37] <BenC> 4.8M    /lib/linux-restricted-modules/2.6.22-8-generic/nvidia_legacy
[04:37] <BenC> 7.9M    /lib/linux-restricted-modules/2.6.22-8-generic/nvidia_new
[04:37] <BenC> 1.1M    /lib/linux-restricted-modules/2.6.22-8-generic/fglrx/
[04:38] <BenC> compressed, it's probably about half that size...it's not small, but not a problem for other people
[04:38] <Kano> it is no problem for you because you dont like at add other things...
[04:39] <BenC> the network drivers account for half the size of lrm
[04:39] <BenC> add what other things?
[04:39] <Kano> these are the most important ones. as soon as you can go online you can download the rest
[04:40] <BenC> To you maybe
[04:40] <BenC> the usage of the fc* drivers is very limited
[04:40] <BenC> important, yes, but still very limited compared to fglrx/nvidia
[04:40] <Kano> fwlan is very heavyly used
[04:40] <Kano> at least in germany
[04:40] <BenC> that's interesting because I don't know anyone (except you) that does use it
[04:41] <BenC> see, that's what I mean by scope
[04:41] <Kano> because nobody else has the hardware to try
[04:41] <Kano> they dont work
[04:41] <Kano> without the mentioned patch
[04:41] <BenC> you want to remove nvidia/fglrx, which is used EVERYWHERE so people in germany don't have to install it
[04:41] <Kano> no split it
[04:41] <Kano> restricted-network + rest
[04:42] <BenC> Kano: it will get installed by default anyway
[04:42] <Kano> not when i can change these defaults ;)
[04:42] <BenC> Look, I have no intention of splitting the package up
[04:42] <Kano> ok, then add the missing ones, how about that
[04:42] <BenC> you have not provided a single good reason for it
[04:43] <BenC> Kano: Ok, then add the bugs to launchpad, how about that?
[04:43] <BenC> we have a workflow, which revolves around this product that Canonical has spent years on, and it's called launchpad
[04:43] <Kano> thats the difference to tell it to you or to add em to lauchpad?
[04:43] <BenC> we use it a lot
[04:44] <BenC> Kano: because I'm not going to do it right this second, and my todo list comes from bugs in launchpad
[04:44] <BenC> adding a special note somewhere to check your pet problem will most likely get lost in my work flow
[04:44] <BenC> Kano: all this effort you've spent here, would have been better spent just following our requests instead of actively working against them
[04:45] <BenC> Hell, even Dell and Intel use launchpad exclusively for working with us
[04:45] <BenC> In fact, they prefer it because they know it increases our attention and response to problems
[04:48] <BenC> Kano: then there's the fact that if I say, "ok, I got your request", I may not have time to do it, and no other people on the kernel team or in the community would now about it
[04:49] <BenC> if it's in launchpad, hundreds of people know about it, and chances are better one of them will do the work
[04:54] <Kano> how to attach files?
[04:54] <BenC> There's a link in the left panel for attachments
[04:55] <IntuitiveNipple> BenC:  I can see you have other things on your mind, but could I ask a question about the kernel-build process?
[04:55] <BenC> Kano: also, scrolling to the bottom, there is a "Add a comment/attachment" link
[04:55] <BenC> IntuitiveNipple: that's part of this channels purpose :)
[04:56] <Kano> BenC: i dont see that only
[04:56] <Kano> Further information, steps to reproduce, version information, etc.:
[04:56] <BenC> Kano: you have to file the bug first, then you can attach files
[04:57] <IntuitiveNipple> Thanks... I'm building from git, successfully now (thanks!) but wondered if there is a way, when building a kernel-package to have the changes to source on one or two files included. Doing binary-debs seems to rebuild from a separate source-tree and doesn't pick-up source changes unless I do a clean first, which of course then means the package build takes a long time.
[04:58] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm making test packages to install on another machine, so I move the generated debs to it to install
[04:58] <Kano> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/128289
[05:03] <Kano> that way or do you need more info?
[05:21] <Serge378> Hello, can someone please answer my question: I am going to upgrade from an old 2.6.15 kernel to the latest 2.6 one with smp support, however the package 'coreutils' needs to be upgraded. If the new kernel does not work(for whatever reason), and I have to revert to the old kernel, would the old kernel work ok with the new andupgraded coreutils?
[05:23] <BenC> IntuitiveNipple: your problem is because you are clearing the hard link in the build tree from the source tree...that's probably the fault of your editor
[05:24] <BenC> IntuitiveNipple: gutsy build system is better about that since it uses the kernels O= out-of-build feature
[05:24] <BenC> Serge378: wrong channel for that question
[05:25] <Serge378> BenC: why is it the wrong channel? And which channel is more approptiate?
[05:26] <BenC> Serge378: because this is specific to Ubuntu kernels and is specific to kernel development...your quick answer is "probably yes", but I'm not sure who to ask about it
[05:26] <Serge378> ok thanks
[05:27] <BenC> Kano: in regards to via quirks, did you write this patch, and if so, have you bothered to send it to upstream linux-kernel?
[05:27] <BenC> ...and if not, do you have any context on where the patch came from
[05:28] <Kano> i fixed another patch, that did only apply to kernel below 2.6.20. the first patch made locsmif
[05:28] <Kano> as he has that specific problem
[05:29] <BenC> Kano: I wonder about patches like this that are against a 2.6.20 kernel, but not in 2.6.22 by now
[05:29] <Kano> thats only the name
[05:29] <Kano> it is against 2.6.20+
[05:30] <IntuitiveNipple> BenC: Hmmm... I did set up an out-of-tree build directory and built to that (as per the Kernel Wiki), but the debian build scripts are an acquired art-form and I got lost trying to figure out what was required to create the linux-image/linux-header debs :) So to save time I just switched back to doing complete fresh binary-debs builds. Did I miss something obvious?
[05:30] <BenC> That's not my point, my point is that it's been around, obviously more than 6 months now, and is not upstream
[05:30] <Kano> it has been out for years that patch, locsmif posted it even on lkml, but noone saw it
[05:31] <BenC> IntuitiveNipple: the build tree for pre-gutsy kernel builds does a hard link tree of the sources...if you use an editor on the source files that unlinks/writes, then the hard link is then broken and you are left with a modified source in your main tree, and an original source in the build tree
[05:32] <IntuitiveNipple> oh i see! I've been using Anjuta to pop in and out as needed... what you've said now makes sense since the other day I noticed it alters the permissions of a shell script I was testing! Thanks for that... I'll investigate
[05:33] <IntuitiveNipple> I've not done too bad - using CONCURRENCY_LEVEL an NOEXTRAS speeds things up :)
[05:33] <Kano> BenC: for more info ask locsmif on that server, he is online
[05:33] <BenC> Kano: the issue I have with patches like that is divergence from upstream...I don't like carrying around patches that are not going to be upstream soon (like next release)
[05:34] <Kano> BenC: is the hostap-cs patch going upstream?
[05:34] <BenC> what hostap-cs patch?
[05:34] <Kano> the 2nd that i need, zul said he has it already?
[05:34] <zul> BenC: its a hostap-cs patch that i pulled from a bug in linux-meta seems innocent enough its in my git tree right now
[05:35] <Kano> http://kanotix.com/files/kernel/kernel-update-pack/source/t-sinus_111card-2.6.16.diff
[05:36] <Kano> that patch works since 2.6.16
[05:36] <BenC> Kano: I haven't pulled that into the Ubuntu tree yet, but it needs to go upstream as well
[05:36] <zul> BenC: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=zul/ubuntu-gutsy.git;a=commit;h=d3ad468775b97d222817fc02e75aa3bd9629a093
[05:36] <BenC> see, why are things like that around for basically 2 years without being pushed upstream?
[05:36] <BenC> We as distros shouldn't be held accountable for pulling in all these patches...we should be getting them from usptream
[05:37] <BenC> Kano: If you are as interested in these patches as you seem to be, I think your best bet in the long run is to get them upstream
[05:38] <Kano> seems to be not that easy when they are just ignored, both have been posted by the original authors
[05:38] <BenC> we can get them in Ubuntu, but in the long run, we risk becoming over loaded with maintaining them, and also add to the problem because people think it isn't important to get these things into the mainline kernel
[05:38] <BenC> Kano: to the proper lists?
[05:39] <BenC> posting to lkml is not the proper list in most cases
[05:39] <Kano> to which one then
[05:39] <BenC> there's a nice file called MAINTAINERS
[05:39] <BenC> HOST AP DRIVER
[05:39] <BenC> pkl_:      Jouni Malinen
[05:39] <BenC> macd<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:39] <BenC> lamont<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(subscribers-only)
[05:39] <BenC> lamont<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:39] <BenC> W:      http://hostap.epitest.fi/
[05:40] <BenC> damn nick completion
[05:40] <Kano> i mailed the author even years before...
[05:40] <BenC> do the list
[05:41] <Kano> should i report one bug for restricted modules or serveral?
[05:41] <BenC> generally, email the list for the driver/subsystem and Cc lkml
[05:41] <BenC> Kano: one for each instance of problem, please
[05:42] <Kano> like: fix for existing avm drivers + need for others?
[05:42] <BenC> Kano: for hostap, wireless-dev list may be a good Cc as well
[05:42] <BenC> Kano: one per driver is good
[05:42] <BenC> one bug per driver I mean, as long as it's a cohesive bug
[05:42] <Kano> but it is the same package?
[05:43] <BenC> in that sense, all the bugs in lrm can be lumped together
[05:43] <BenC> each bug should have one task in order to complete it
[05:43] <BenC> not a checklist of items to mark off
[05:46] <zul> BenC: for #127461 (suspend2) should we just out and right reject it?
[05:46] <IntuitiveNipple> BenC:  you're a star!! I just checked the inode # after an edit and it changes, which means I now understand the problem... many thanks!
[05:47] <BenC> IntuitiveNipple: np
[05:47] <IntuitiveNipple> Now to post a 'bug' report aka feature request for Anjuta!
[05:47] <BenC> zul: yeah, but direct them to blueprints
[05:48] <BenC> IntuitiveNipple: IMO, an editor using unlink/write is a bug...it's not a feature to make it work correctly :)
[05:48] <IntuitiveNipple> BenC:  I entirely agree, but sometimes you have to be diplomatic to get things done :)
[05:48] <IntuitiveNipple> I don't fancy having to fix that myself! I've got other things to do!
[05:48] <BenC> IntuitiveNipple: good point
[05:50] <zul> BenC: done
[05:50] <BenC> zul: thanks
[05:51] <zul> np
[05:51] <IntuitiveNipple> BTW, for your information... I'm working extensively on/around ACPI and suspend/resume this past couple of months, and writing a new kernel driver (sony-notebook-control) that implements 100% of the Sony notebook Windows driver functionality... so if there's anything needs doing around ACPI suspend/resume let me know. On Launchpad my id is "intuitive-nipple" and my display-name (and real-name) is TJ.
[05:53] <BenC> IntuitiveNipple: excellent...ACPI is one of our hotspots
[05:53] <BenC> IntuitiveNipple: if you would, please, join the ubuntu-acpi team
[05:53] <BenC> kernel bugs relating to it are assigned to that team
[05:54] <IntuitiveNipple> BenC: ok, I'll go do that now... as a celebration that my debug-messages on resume have just given me a clue as to why the problem-PC is resuming immediately it S3 suspends :)
[05:57] <IntuitiveNipple> Well, I got lost in launchpad for while there! Found it in the end though
[05:59] <IntuitiveNipple> BenC: as you're the team owner, can I tax your ACPI brains on a specific issue?
[06:06] <Kano> so can i put 3 drivers to one bug...


[00:05] <sergio-br2> but it will be the default compositor in 14.10?
[00:09] <sergio-br2> ochosi, so if you install compton, it will come with this kind of config? http://duncanlock.net/blog/2013/06/07/how-to-switch-to-compton-for-beautiful-tear-free-compositing-in-xfce/
[00:27] <bluesabre> sergio-br2, we're not shipping it as default
[00:28] <sergio-br2> :(
[00:28] <bluesabre> haven't seen that particular config, but ours works quite well
[00:32] <sergio-br2> bluesabre, the config is like that?
[00:33] <sergio-br2> http://duncanlock.net/blog/2013/06/07/how-to-switch-to-compton-for-beautiful-tear-free-compositing-in-xfce/
[00:40] <bluesabre> sergio-br2: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/view/head:/etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/compton.conf
[00:40] <sergio-br2> k
[00:46] <xubuntu087> helo friends
[00:47] <xubuntu087> i'm Rafael, and i'm from Rio de Janeiro, Brasil...how are you?!
[00:47] <xubuntu087> sorry for my broken english..rss
[00:49] <xubuntu087> i'm new in linux, but i want learn this system...
[00:49] <Unit193> !br
[02:16] <petester> Hi!  I'm having trouble with intermittent freezing/crashes
[02:16] <petester> I'd like to figure out what the problem is so i can submit a proper bug report
[02:17] <holstein> petester: cool.. what would i do? i would try a live CD and see if the system seems the same.. if not, then, it could be something with my installed os, or the hard drive.. i would then, take time to test the memory from the live CD and then, look for and apply upgrades
[02:17] <petester> I saw some people having trouble with video drivers so I'm using the latest one from NVIDIA and still having troubl
[02:17] <holstein> if possible, i would try the hardware with  a supported operating system, to make sure its functioning properly
[02:17] <petester> holstein, thank you for the response, i havent tried a memtest yet but i will now
[02:17] <petester> also windows worked fine before i put ubuntu on
[02:17] <holstein> petester: if i had an nvidia driver in the mix, i would try and remove it from the equation as well
[02:18] <petester> Have you heard of people having problems due to their laptop trackpad?
[02:18] <petester> it seems to not happen when i use a bluetooth mouse (weird, i know)
[02:18] <holstein> petester: i dont know what "windows worked fine before i put ubuntu on it" means, but, ubuntu wont break windows.. so, if both operatings systems are acting "funny", i would troubleshoot hardware issues, just to make sure
[02:18] <petester> but i don't know how to confirm that's the issue
[02:19] <holstein> petester: just choose something, and remove it from the equation, and test
[02:21] <petester> holstein, thank you for the responses so far.  I'll run a memtest to try to rule that out, but I can play eve online for 2 hours with no crashes as long as i dont use the trackpad
[02:21] <holstein> petester: is the trackpad "bad" in windows?
[02:21] <petester> but then web browsing on chrome with a trackpad for ten minutes makes me have to hard reset
[02:21] <holstein> if so, its bad...
[02:21] <petester> holstein, i dont think so
[02:21] <holstein> petester: think?
[02:21] <petester> The trackpad worked great until i installed xubuntu
[02:21] <holstein> petester: you need to be like a detective, here.. you'll need to isolate these variables and see what it causing what
[02:22] <petester> but i don't know how to get a log of what is causing the crash
[02:22] <holstein> petester: a team of professionals were hired by the hardware vendor to provide you windows support.. you are taking that burden on yourself with the linux/ubuntu install
[02:22] <petester> im 90% that this is the trackpad, i just don't know how to confirm it
[02:22] <holstein> petester: does the trackpad crash windows?
[02:23] <petester> no
[02:23] <petester> hang on
[02:23] <petester> i don't have windows installed on the system anymore, just xubuntu
[02:23] <holstein> petester: ok.. then, i wouldnt assume its hardware related then.. i would, as i sugested, try a live CD, and se if you can make the machine crash using the trackpad
[02:24] <petester> im reading that i can ssh in to look at the syslog after a crash occurs
[02:24] <holstein> petester: ok.. then, you cant say the trackpad isnt malfunctioning..
[02:24] <holstein> petester: you can try
[02:24] <holstein> !ssh
[02:24] <holstein> petester: personally, the logs dont help me as much as isolating the variables and testing... but, you are welcome to try to ssh in to whatever and look at what you like
[02:25] <petester> and if i can't get in that means that it's a hard kernel crash, not just a problem with the desktop environment, correct?
[02:26] <holstein> petester: i dont think you can assume anything.
[02:26] <holstein> petester: if i had the hardware in front of me, i would pull the hard drive so hard rebooting doenst hurt the hard drive, and i would get the unit to "break" with a live CD, and see what the issue is.. if its the trackpad, i would search about how folks deal with it
[02:26] <holstein> petester: if i dont find a way, i might just disable it..
[02:27] <holstein> petester: this is also quite simple.. are you up to date with upgrades?
[02:27] <petester> holstein, thank you.  I found a thread where somebody had a similar issue and im trying to follow their guide now.
[02:27] <petester> holstein, yes, I try to check daily
[02:27] <holstein> petester: it has to be the *same* hardware for the guide to matter
[02:28] <petester> yeah ...
[02:28] <holstein> petester: i assure you, this is not a global xubuntu issue, but either something specific to your hardware, or hardware breakage
[02:28] <holstein> petester: you could literallly be the only person using xubuntu on that specific hardware.. since hardware can rev'd
[02:29] <petester> I totally agree / understand.  I'll try to fix this myself if I can isolate the problem, but i have no experience writing drivers
[02:29] <petester> i just have so little experience troubleshooting issues like this
[02:29] <petester> would linux-crashdump possibly help?
[02:30] <petester> i'm at the point where I'm 90% sure that's the issue, but I don't know how to confirm
[02:31] <holstein> !ssh
[02:32] <holstein> petester: ^ that should tell you how to install and run ssh
[02:32] <holstein> should be "sudo apt-get install openssh-server" or soemthing simple
[02:32] <petester> holstein, ok thanks.  I'm familiar with ssh :)
[02:32] <holstein> petester: i would try the main ubuntu channel and ask what logs are needed
[02:32] <petester> Thank you.  I'll keep asking around
[02:33] <holstein> since, *if* this is driver support related for either the trackpad and/or nvidia, you may get a larger audience in #ubuntu
[02:33] <holstein> and xubuntu *is* ubuntu, with the same kernel and hardware support
[02:33] <petester> yeah, just xfce instead of unity, right?
[02:33] <petester> i honestly like this version SO MUCH better
[02:34] <petester> Ubuntu had the same crashes when I was using it too though
[02:34] <holstein> well, theres a bit more to it than that, for sure.. but, its basically the same hardware support, which is helpful for you
[02:34] <holstein> petester: should be the exact same
[02:34] <petester> ok, thank you for giving me some pointers.
[02:34] <holstein> petester: tbh, i would even consider troubleshooting with main ubuntu on, just to take advantage of the larger community, if needed
[02:35] <holstein> this is a *great* team, and i personally *Really* like xubuntu.. and i would come right back after i learn how to "Fix" the issue.. but, it is a larger community upstream.. and the fixes will apply, assuming there are any
[02:35] <petester> there's no way i'm gonna switch from xubuntu anytime soon
[02:36] <petester> eventually i want to try contributing to the source but i have no idea what kind of help i could possibly be
[02:36] <petester> im such a noob
[02:36] <holstein> sure. i just have gotten "well, you are not runnig ubuntu, you need to go to #xubuntu" comments.. so, i'll just install main ubuntu, and get the support, and come back.. again, assuming there is support to recieve
[02:37] <petester> haha
[02:37] <holstein> could be plausible that you just need to disable the touchpad as well.. which, i personally dont mind doing..
[02:37] <petester> that would certainly be the easiest option
[02:37] <petester> but it would be nice to get it working
[02:38]  * ObrienDave can't stand touch pads or trackballs
[02:38] <holstein> petester: i say, if you can get in via ssh and "sudo halt" so that you are not causing potential damage to the hard drive, go for it
[02:39] <petester> okay, that's my next test then
[02:39] <petester> if you see me leave you'll know what happened :)
[02:39] <petester> honestly it could also be chrome now that i think about it
[02:39] <petester> that never dawned on me until now
[02:40] <petester> but it would be very weird
[02:43] <pete__> Hello!  this is petester.  The laptop crashed and I can talk to you through ssh
[02:43] <pete__> what's my next step again
[02:43] <pete__> (sorry, beer involved tonight)
[02:43] <ObrienDave> always a good time for beer ;P
[02:44] <pete__> yeah haha
[02:44] <holstein> pete__: thats good.. i mean, i would just do "sudo reboot" and keep trying to isolate what is causing the issue..
[02:44] <holstein> pete__: you can try a log though, and see if it helps you
[02:44] <pete__> i'm thinking it could even be something with the pdf stuff, but then I wouldn't be the only one having this issue
[02:44] <pete__> yeagh
[02:45] <holstein> pete__: i would disable the touchpad, and rule it out.. then, try isolating the nvidia driver with the vesa driver or the open driver
[02:46] <ObrienDave> pete__, most important, isolate and solve one issue at a time
[02:46] <pete__> i had the problem with the non proprietary drivers
[02:46] <pete__> yeah
[02:47] <pete__> checking logs now
[02:47] <holstein> pete__: i have forced the vesa driver to isolate the hardware as much as possible
[02:47] <pete__> doex xfce use xserver?
[02:47] <holstein> i would pull *all* hardware... all usb drives or hubs.. anything else plugged in
[02:48] <pete__> that's good advice, I'm looking for something obvious in the logs now
[02:48] <pete__> nothing in /var/log/syslog
[02:50] <pete__> I'm looking at this page: http://askubuntu.com/questions/461404/trackpad-causing-xubuntu-freeze
[02:50] <holstein> pete__: is it the same hardware?
[02:50] <pete__> it says install gdm and use the trackpad in terminal, i'm not sure what he's saying
[02:50] <pete__> hold on let me google my laptop
[02:50] <holstein> !info gpm
[02:51] <holstein> pete__: ^
[02:51] <holstein> pete__: regardless, i like that for a test.. sudo apt-get install gpm, and they are saying you should see an error print if the trackpad is problematic
[02:52] <pete__> so install the software, keep the terminal open, and then just work as normal until a crash occurs?
[02:52] <pete__> and if it IS the trackpad, it will say so?
[02:52] <holstein> pete__: i actually just like the idea.. i havent ever used gpm.. i'll install it here and see how it works in tty
[02:52] <holstein> pete__: i would want to be in a tty
[02:52] <holstein> !tty
[02:53] <holstein> pete__: do tty's work?
[02:54] <pete__> I'll see, just push ctrl alt f1?
[02:54] <pete__> ill be right back
[02:54] <pete__> ok new info
[02:55] <pete__> i didn't do the tty thing yet
[02:55] <pete__> but i went to my laptop and the display was off
[02:55] <pete__> (the settings are set so that doesnt happen when plugged in)
[02:55] <pete__> anyway I hit escape, the login screen came on, I typed my password and it was unfrozen
[02:56] <holstein> interesting.. sounds like an x crash
[02:56] <pete__> I have not seen this happen before because I always do a hard reset before the screen sleeps out of frustration
[02:56] <pete__> I think I see something weird in the Xorg.0.log but im not sure
[02:56] <pete__> can i pastebin it?
[02:56] <ObrienDave> sure
[02:57] <holstein> !pastebinit
[02:57] <pete__> ok hang on i'll post it from the other user
[02:59] <pete__> omg that app is amazing
[02:59] <pete__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8165029/
[03:00] <pete__> god damn geniuses use linux
[03:00] <pete__> i saw where it says 'reporting number number number' over and over
[03:00] <pete__> at the end
[03:00] <pete__> not sure what that could mean
[03:01] <holstein> !language
[03:01] <pete__> it doesn't say anything like that anywhere else in the log
[03:01] <pete__> sorry
[03:01] <holstein> might need a custom xorg.conf for your trackpad
[03:01] <holstein> pete__: no worries.. its more a formality for the channels in general
[03:01] <pete__> i was just really excited by the pastebinit app
[03:01] <holstein> pete__: its handy :)
[03:01] <holstein> pete__: what is the hardware? the model #?
[03:03] <holstein> pete__: you know what i think i would do.. nomodeset on a live CD. or adding the line manually to the kernel running there and see... just temporarily at boot
[03:03] <holstein> !nomodeset
[03:04] <pete__> asus n56v
[03:04] <pete__> it could have any number of extra characters on the end depending on the vender, but they should all have the exact same hardware
[03:04] <holstein> pete__: sure.. but thats actually an incorrect assumption
[03:05] <pete__> or so i was told by the guy i bought it from
[03:05] <holstein> pete__: you can actually have 2 *identical* model numbers with different hardware in them
[03:05] <holstein> pete__: as long as asus provides a windows driver for all the hardware, they can change chipsets, or revisions as needed on the product.. and many time they do
[03:06] <pete__> holstein: that's crazy
[03:06] <holstein> pete__: thats why this is so challenging.. you really cant simply maintain a list of guranteed compatible hardware for linux
[03:06] <pete__> i'm studying engineering, and the idea of that mortifies me
[03:07] <pete__> holstein: yeah, in the end i'll just end up disabling the trackpad, but the satisfaction would be so great if i could fix it
[03:07] <holstein> pete__: try nomodeset
[03:08] <holstein> pete__: im not convinced its the trackpad.. i still think its nvidia
[03:08] <pete__> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-prime/+bug/1220426
[03:08] <pete__> this is it i bet
[03:08] <pete__> how can i check which nvidia i have?  i just did sudo-apt get install nvidia-current
[03:09] <holstein> i use lspci -v
[03:09] <pete__> the symptom is probably nvidia, i agree, but the cause is clearly the trackpad.  if you were using the laptop you would see
[03:10] <holstein> pete__: i think, again, you are making an assumption
[03:10] <pete__> agreed.
[03:11] <holstein> pete__: try nomodeset.. and try a custom xorg.conf.. if you were using a vesa driver and cannot make the machine lockup, then, i would think the trackpad is just triggering something
[03:11] <holstein> could totally be the trackpad, though... so dont leave that idea behind just yet
[03:13] <pete__> ok, i was trying to read the page i posted about the bug.  not sure if that is me, i agree
[03:13] <pete__> how do i do nomodeset
[03:13] <holstein> !nomodeset
[03:13] <holstein> i would just add it manually to the grubline for my kernel in grub at boot
[03:14] <holstein> you can press shift to show it, if needed, and i think its "Tab" to edit
[03:14] <pete__> ok, i'm no grub veteren but i'll try it out.  this requires a reboot i believe
[03:14] <ObrienDave> yup
[03:14] <pete__> oh, you mean hold tab when the system comes up?
[03:14] <holstein> yes.. you would reboot, and press shift, and add what is needed to the kernel modeline for your kernel
[03:15] <pete__> hold shift while it boots?
[03:15] <holstein> pete__: no.. shift is what will bring grub up.. (i think) its tab that edits.. its printed what edits
[03:15] <pete__> okok i'll try now
[03:15] <pete__> goodbye for a couple minutes
[03:15] <ObrienDave> "e" iirc
[03:15] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/38780/how-do-i-set-nomodeset-after-ive-already-installed-ubuntu
[03:16] <holstein> well, i can share that when he comes back :)
[03:16] <ObrienDave> maybe i'll just lurk, getting tired
[03:16] <holstein> yeah.. me too..
[03:17] <ObrienDave> AHA! it was "e" ;P
[03:17] <holstein> ObrienDave: for "edit" :)
[03:17] <holstein> ObrienDave: i only remembered that it was printed what to press on the screen
[03:18] <ObrienDave> yea, i have to do that at every new kernel ;S
[03:18] <ObrienDave> except i like grub-customizer
[03:18] <holstein> ObrienDave: what modeline to you have to add?
[03:18] <holstein> petester: BTW, http://askubuntu.com/questions/38780/how-do-i-set-nomodeset-after-ive-already-installed-ubuntu outlines the process in detail
[03:18] <petester> does using efi change things
[03:18] <petester> ok ty
[03:19] <holstein> petester: AFAIK, efi can break everything and anything.. if it can be disabled, i would
[03:19] <holstein> especially since you are just using xubuntu and not windows anymore
[03:19] <ObrienDave> i get an Ubuntu entry. it does not like to update the kernel info. i do it manually in grub-customizer
[03:19] <holstein> but, i wouldnt bother with that now..
[03:19] <holstein> ObrienDave: oh, i see
[03:20] <ObrienDave> it's just a copy/paste. takes 10 seconds
[03:21] <petester> don't see grub customizer in the repos
[03:22] <holstein> petester: thats not for you
[03:22] <ObrienDave> petester, it's a PPA
[03:22] <holstein> !ppa
[03:22] <ObrienDave> petester, we'll leave those things for another day :)
[03:22] <petester> but if i'm using efi then i don't have grub, correct?
[03:22] <holstein> petester: i personally would just try nomodeset, and dont stray too far from stock til you get this issue worked out, or at least identified..
[03:22] <ObrienDave> no, don't worry about EFI for now
[03:23] <holstein> petester: you should still have grub..
[03:23] <petester> i want to try the nomodeset, but i don't know how because holding shift didnt work
[03:23] <ObrienDave> try tapping shift, some have reported ctrl key
[03:23] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/128128/how-to-boot-without-nomodeset
[03:23] <petester> I'll try both.  brb
[03:23] <holstein> you can add it to grub manually, but, i would keep track of what you change and how
[03:26] <petester> haha I was about to pour my heart out to #ubunut
[03:26] <ObrienDave> so we saw LOL
[03:26] <petester> I can't get to the grub screen right now, but I'm gonna get some sleep and try fresh tomorrow
[03:27] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/128128/how-to-boot-without-nomodeset
[03:27] <holstein> you can see how to edit the line manually there ^
[03:27] <petester> I'm gonna write this nomodeset thing down and investigate further
[03:27] <holstein> !nomodeset
[03:27] <petester> seriouslt this community rocks, thanks for giving me so many pointers
[03:27] <holstein> petester: you can literallly try it from a live CD as well.. live usb stick.. whatever you installed from
[03:27] <holstein> petester: good luck!
[03:28] <ObrienDave> see you tomorrow petester....... oh well, beer thirty ;P
[07:30] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, as you know, Ubuntustudio is built on xubuntu.  Seems that some things didn't make it to final release.
[07:32] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave,  xscreensaver is still present = thought lightdm was the replacement.  menulibre is nowhere to be seen.
[07:32] <cfhowlett> whiskermenu and mugshot are likewise missing
[07:32] <ObrienDave> yea, i was shocked to see menulibre not there
[07:33] <ObrienDave> whiskermenu can be installed
[07:33] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, easy enough to add, it's just that the 14.04 release notes state these are the new packages so ... where the hell did they go?
[07:34] <ObrienDave> menulibre was crashing on me. not sure Unit193 might know
[07:34] <ObrienDave> seems they were taken out of .1
[07:36] <ObrienDave> i kind of liked menulibre, the little i got to use it LOL
[07:37] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, wait, what?  after all that work to add they yanked it?!
[07:38] <ObrienDave> oops, it's still there
[07:38] <ObrienDave> what was the other menu editor?
[07:39] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, alacarte
[07:39] <ObrienDave> that's the one i really liked
[07:39] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, sending the release notes via DCC
[09:13] <alket> Hi , for the moment im using Kubuntu , i want to switch to xubuntu but without reinstall , is it possible ? I also don't want kde "things" to run in background since I won't need them. Thanks.
[09:14] <ObrienDave> alket, just install xubuntu-desktop
[09:15] <ObrienDave> then select it at logon screen
[09:15] <alket> ObrienDave: will kde debs run in background ?
[09:16] <ObrienDave> yes unless you turn them off
[09:16] <ObrienDave> alket, all Ubuntu flavors use the same "core" just different DEs
[09:16] <alket> ObrienDave: thanks
[10:05] <kpel> Do you know of any decent diff tool for 14.04 now that xxdiff isn't supported?
[10:06] <ObrienDave> ummm, diff?
[10:06] <ObrienDave> !info diff
[10:06] <ObrienDave> umm, what the hay
[10:06] <kpel> ObrienDave: sorry, i didn't clarify. diff tool wuth a gui
[10:07] <kpel> used to work with xxdiff for yeards but now it seems only fldiff remains as supported (and it's horrible)
[10:07] <Unit193> I'm guessing fl = fltk, so yeah it would be.
[10:08] <ObrienDave> !info meld
[10:08] <kpel> aha!
[10:08] <ObrienDave> i would not know the diff anyway ;P
[10:09] <kpel> let's have a look
[10:09] <kpel> OMG no. it's for gnome :P
[10:10] <kpel> i'll use my freebsd box for noe. it has xxdiff installed :P
[10:10] <kpel> thanks ObrienDave
[10:10] <ObrienDave> you asked for a GUI. picky, picky ;P
[10:11] <ObrienDave> kpel, welcome, i think ;P
[10:11] <kpel> no gnomes in this box ;)
[10:11] <ObrienDave> if it works......
[10:12] <kpel> yeah... i wonder what made the ubuntu guys drop xxdiff. it did work.
[10:13] <ObrienDave> !info xxdiff
[10:13] <kpel> maybe some dependency on ancient libs. oh well
[10:13] <ObrienDave> i would not know the diff anyway ;P
[10:14] <kpel> no worries
[10:14] <Unit193> !info xxdiff precise
[10:14] <Unit193> !info xxdiff unstable
[10:15]  * Unit193 scratches head.
[10:15] <kpel> so th esource is there...
[10:15] <kpel> maybe somehow they forgot to build it? :P
[10:16] <Unit193> Normally things are sync'd from Unstable, and that's clearly a newer version...
[10:36] <kpel> I bit the bullet and installed meld and its legion of dependencies. I must admit it looks very nice and seems to be functional too. I'm not so picky after all ObrienDave ;)
[10:36] <ObrienDave> ok, well, there is hope for you yet ;p lol
[10:37] <kpel> ObrienDave: but this little chat of ours got me thinking how simplicity is taken for granted. And then we end up installing half of gnome for a gui tool. Scary...
[10:38] <ObrienDave> if it works......
[10:39] <ObrienDave> but then again i have a 1TB partition dedicated for xubuntu LOL
[10:43] <kpel> lolol
[10:44] <kpel> "dependencies? bring 'em on!"
[10:44] <ObrienDave> yup, not worrying too much about drive space LOL
[10:45] <kpel> it's not the drive space i'm worried about. the dependencies themselves are a weakness.
[10:46] <kpel> too many ways things can go wrong
[10:46] <ObrienDave> this is true
[11:04] <ObrienDave> yea, there have been a few times i had so much junk on here that it died and i had to reinstall the system. aggravating
[11:06] <kpel> I have a way of dealing with that: In install an LTS release and when the next one is out the update invaraibly trashes my system. So I'm forced to salvage my data (SSH ftw) and start from scratch ;)
[11:07] <kpel> s/In/I/
[11:08] <kpel> I am impressed with the looks of 14.04. Almost Mac-like
[11:08]  * ObrienDave digs out an old 11.04 install disk, no macs here ;P
[11:22] <sadki_PL> hello
[11:24] <kpel> hi
[11:24] <ObrienDave> sadki_PL, greetings and welcome
[11:27] <finrod> Is there a terminal command to list all the files in my CD ROM?
[11:28] <kpel> finrod: ls -Ral /path/to/cdrom
[11:28] <kpel> you probably want to redirect the output to a file
[11:29] <finrod> I tried "ls cdrom" It was accepted, but produced no results
[11:29] <ObrienDave> finrod, it does not work that way
[11:29] <kpel> aye
[11:29] <ObrienDave> finrod, kpel> finrod: ls -Ral /path/to/cdrom
[11:30] <finrod> I have a bunch of video files on the CD which show up in Windows, but nothing shows up in Xubuntu.  yeah, I'm trying that, thanks
[11:30] <kpel> finrod: you need to find where the cdrom was mounted. try looking at the output of 'df -h'
[11:31] <ObrienDave> finrod, and do they show up in the file manager?
[11:31] <finrod> ls: cannot access /path/to/cdrom: No such file or directory
[11:31] <finrod> No, I tried two file managers
[11:32] <finrod> but when I typed "ls" one of  the files listed is cdrom
[11:32] <ObrienDave> fin that is an example /path/to/cdrom. you need to fill in the proper path LOL
[11:32] <kpel> finrod: do you see any icons appearing on your desktop when you insert the cd?
[11:33] <finrod> No, but my visual drive makes a lot of noise when I put it in
[11:33] <finrod> My optical drive
[11:33] <ObrienDave> then it's not mounting the disk
[11:33] <finrod> It sonds like it's trying to read it over and over and can't
[11:34] <ObrienDave> how old is the disk?
[11:34] <finrod> 1 year old
[11:34] <kpel> finrod: and if you try another disk it works ok?
[11:34] <ObrienDave> is it clean? no scratches?
[11:34] <finrod> Yes
[11:35] <finrod> all DVDs work on VLC Media Player until I put in Supernatural
[11:35] <kpel> if other disks work ok then maybe there is some copy protection scheme that works on windows only
[11:35] <finrod> yeah, it must be related to copy protection
[11:36] <kpel> if it's  a dvd it's worth checking the region
[11:36] <finrod> It's not an authentic DVD
[11:36] <kpel> a long time ago I had to manually set the region of my dvd player in linux in order to match the region of my dvds
[11:36] <kpel> !info regionset
[11:36] <kpel> that
[11:37] <finrod> My friend downloaded a bunch of TV shows and put them into a DVD, and gave me the DVD
[11:37] <finrod> they are all the Supernatural TV show episodes from Season 7 on one DVD
[11:39] <kpel> I think we have established that the problem has to do with the specific dvd. so your friend is the best source for support from this point on. maybe he didn't finish properly the write session? maybe soem copy protection gets in the way? no idea.
[11:39] <finrod> I just got my DVD player working yesterday, after some problems downloading LibDVDcss, but I successfully installed LibDVDcss and VLC Media Player, and it works with all the regular DVDs I bought
[11:41] <finrod> I have no problems accessing the video files in Windows XP, and they play in VLC Media. but they don't work in Windows Media
[11:42] <finrod> so it must be related to copyrights.  I think Windows Media said that whenn I tried to play it.  I forgot, something about the codes.
[11:42] <kpel> this whole thign screams copy protection
[11:42] <finrod> yeah, encryption, may be
[11:43] <finrod> the supernatural DVDs I bought work fine
[11:44] <finrod> Although Parole Media Player still has problems with the GStreamer for my authentic bought DVDs
[11:44] <finrod> for some of them
[11:46] <finrod> But I am not concerned about Parole Media.  I prefer using VLC Media Player for all my DVDs in both Windows and Xubuntu platforms
[11:54] <finrod> df -h
[11:54] <finrod> /dev/sr0        6.9G  6.9G     0 100% /media/finrod13/BLADE_RUNNER_FINAL_CUT
[11:54] <finrod> Does that help with the path name, kpel?
[11:55] <kpel> finrod: yes, the path is /media/finrod13/BLADE_RUNNER_FINAL_CUT
[11:55] <kpel> so if you want to see the files do a ls -Ral /media/finrod13/BLADE_RUNNER_FINAL_CUT
[11:56] <kpel> not sure why it's called blade runner instead of supernatural but that's none o fmy business
[11:57] <finrod> That Blade Runner DVD works fine
[11:57] <kpel> ah, you tried another disk
[11:57] <kpel> there you have it then. it's a protection thing.
[11:57] <finrod> I thought it could help me find a similar path for the supernatural DVD, but when I typed df -h nothing similar showed up
[11:58] <finrod> It's like the whole Supernatural DVD is not recognized at all by Xubuntu
[11:58] <kpel> my limited knowledge of multimedia stops here I'm afraid.
[11:59] <kpel> this is the end and all that :P
[11:59] <finrod> Well, I can still play all the videos in Windows, but I figured it was worth a try in xubuntu
[11:59] <kpel> sure, always worth an experiment
[12:00] <finrod> thanks for your help
[12:00] <kpel> you are welcome
[12:04] <finrod> Hey, I got a path name
[12:04] <finrod> VLC is unable to open the MRL 'dvd:///dev/sr0'. Check the log for details.
[12:04] <finrod> But I can't find the log, still looking
[12:19] <kpel> finrod: /dev/sr0 is a device name. The way it works is that this device has to be mounted on the filesystem so that its files can be accessed from a path like /media/finrod13/something
[12:20] <kpel> if you do a df -h you normally see the device name and path name on the same line
[12:21] <kpel> e.g. /dev/sda1 could be mounted on / (the root directory)
[12:56] <wrongplace> hi, I bought this usb 3.0-SATS adapter http://www.ebay.com/itm/AKE-Laptop-Notebook-54mm-Express-USB3-0-3-port-5GB-s-HUB-T-Card-adapter-FL1100-/230787820999?pt=US_Internal_Port_Expansion_Cards&hash=item35bc06adc7 and i dont know how to install or where to get drivers for my xubuntu 124.04 64 bits. Drivers inclided in the cd are for windows
[12:59] <kpel> wrongplace: if it is supported, chances are that the drivers are already there
[13:00] <wrongplace> there = cd or internet?
[13:01] <kpel> on your linux installation most likely
[13:01] <kpel> the drivers are most likely already installed. all drivers come together with the linux kernel
[13:02] <kpel> try booting with the adapter plugged in and then go through the output of dmesg
[13:02] <wrongplace> a...
[13:02] <wrongplace> ok
[13:12] <wrongplace> 722 MB per second with usb 3.0
[13:12] <wrongplace> never seen
[13:12] <kpel> happy customer?
[13:12] <wrongplace> seems so
[13:13] <kpel> good :)
[13:13] <wrongplace> ill test the thing for 2 weeks
[13:13] <wrongplace> ever bought a port usb 3.0 - sata that failed?
[13:13] <kpel> in a terminal window do a 'dmesg | grep -i usb' and see if it mentions usb 3.0
[13:13] <kpel> it may even say which kernel module (i.e. driver) you are using
[13:14] <kpel> wrongplace: no, never bought such a thing
[13:14] <wrongplace> usb 5
[13:14] <wrongplace> whats that?
[13:14] <wrongplace> and the list is huge
[13:14] <kpel> probably some brand name?
[13:15] <kpel> or a device number
[13:15] <wrongplace> there are at lest 5 lines that name "usb 3"
[13:16] <kpel> you can filter even further if you want, e.g. for manufacturers: dmesg | grep -i usb | grep Manuf
[13:16] <wrongplace> not necessary kpel but thanks
[13:16] <wrongplace> for all
[13:17] <kpel> no problem :)
[13:17] <kpel> happy testing
[13:17] <kpel> as a rule of thumb all the device drivers are bundled with the default linux installation
[13:18] <kpel> sometimes you might need to do a bit of extra work but normally things work out of the box or aren't supported at all.
[13:19] <kpel> anyway, gotta go. bye all
[14:44] <dmd> Is there any way to monitor ALL valid channels in xfconf-query? A lot of times when I'm trying to find out what key to set to correspond to some GUI settings, I don't know what channel to monitor and I have to go through by trial and error.
[14:54] <akis_> 14.04.01 is already available for 12.04 users to upgrade using update manager. did any one of you proceed with an upgrade and did he face any issues?
[14:55] <cfhowlett> akis_, for some reason: sudo do-release-upgrade won't work.  sudo apt do-release-upgrade             does work
[14:57] <akis_> cfhowlett: will work the upgrade choise through update manager?
[14:59] <cfhowlett> akis_, if the manager is set for LTS upgrades only - yes.
[15:02] <akis_> cfhowlett: actually, i am writing about LTS. did you face any problems or issues after the upgrade?
[15:05] <cfhowlett> akis_, I only do LTS and I clean install.  Issues = 0.  In fact, it was actually smoother.  12.04 didn't support wifi without work.  14.04 wifi worked out of the box.
[15:07] <akis_> cfhowlett: i am looking for any issues after upgrade on 12.04 (not a clean installation). Do you run 14.04 on the same system's configuration and you found it smoother?
[15:09] <brainwash> akis_: you should also read http://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-14-04-1-released/
[15:10] <brainwash> there is a small section about known issues
[15:10] <cfhowlett> akis_, there were several changes between  12.04 and 14.04 PLUS I'm on Ubuntustudio so *not QUITE* pure xubuntu.  That said, I'm impressed and have had no issues worth mentioning.
[15:13] <akis_> brainwash: i am trying to avoid a new installation because it is hard for me to re-configure 3 systems from the beginning. Any idea on this? Upgrade on 12.04 or clean installation after a /home backup?
[15:15] <cfhowlett> akis_, clean install fixes a whole range of problems and is usually worth the extra effort IMHO
[15:15] <brainwash> and you should backup /home in both scenarios :)
[15:16]  * cfhowlett thinks this goes without saying ...
[15:16] <akis_> cfhowlett: i know that but reconfiguration is very difficult for me
[15:17] <cfhowlett> akis_, if all machines are identical you could always image your system and install that
[15:17] <cfhowlett> !clone
[15:18] <akis_> cfhowlett: they are not!
[17:20]  * m3n3chm0 hi
[17:23] <bennypr0fane> Hello, I ma in a bit of a pickle. I just installed 14.04, but I need Windows7 to be the default boot option (no UEFI). I found instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/ChangeDefaultOS but I can't find the menu.lst file in /boot/grub, it's not there.
[17:27] <bennypr0fane> and the second problem is, My Broadcom Wifi isn't working. When trying out  live from USB, it worked with the proprietary driver, but now I have no internet and the driver isn't there. apparently I'd have to download it, but I have no internet...
[17:32] <ambutts> bennypr0fane: Get the package on a flash drive.
[17:33] <ambutts> For your non-free firmware.
[17:33] <voidfire> any ideas as to why greek keyboard  layouts no matter which one you choose xubuntu will deny putting tones above the letters?
[17:33] <voidfire> like any special greek character you need to press the ';' key before the letter to get it with a tone above it like the i letter has a tone above it
[17:33] <voidfire> im using xubuntu 14.04 and ofc ive done the casual research on the matter but no solution
[17:41] <bennypr0fane> ambutts, how can I find it?
[17:42] <ambutts> bennypr0fane: Which wireless adapter is it?
[17:42] <ambutts> Run `lspci` to find out, I believe Ubuntu has that installed by default.
[17:42] <bennypr0fane> ok
[17:42] <ambutts> One of the items should be a wireless adapater.
[17:43] <bennypr0fane> ambutts: it's broadcom BCM43227
[17:44] <bennypr0fane> voidfire: maybe your locale is not compleetly installed
[17:45] <bennypr0fane> voidfire: that is always the case with the german one after installation.  Do you have an Ethernet cable handy?
[17:51] <ambutts> If so: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx#STA_-_Internet_access
[17:52] <ambutts> These instructions should work.
[17:55] <ambutts> bennypr0fane: My bad, scroll down to 'No Internet access'.
[17:55] <bennypr0fane> ambutts: sorry, no cable available
[17:56] <ambutts> Then do the No Internet access route.
[17:56] <ambutts> If you need to grab the kernel headers pop them on a flash drive or burn them to a CD or something.
[18:00] <bennypr0fane> ambutts: then where do I get those? I gather my driver would be on the insatllation media?
[18:17] <ambutts> bennypr0fane: Somebody else will help with this, I can't right now.
[18:17] <ambutts> Sorry bud, but re-read the wiki I linked and Google for the other info and if you can't find what you need somebody will help you out.
[20:09] <csenger41> hello
[20:10] <csenger41> anyone experiencing problem with Google services? they take minutes for me to load, but everything else works fine
[20:26] <ronin> thank you guys, I love xubuntu
[20:27] <Unit193> csenger41: Working fine for me.
[20:27] <Unit193> ronin: Glad you like it.
[20:27] <Unit193> I sure do.
[20:28] <csenger41> Unit193: worked fine for me for the last 1 week, since I installed Xubuntu, it started donig this today when I got home from work
[20:28] <Unit193> csenger41: What browser?
[20:30] <csenger41> Unit193: both Chromium and Firefox
[20:31] <csenger41> Opera, too
[20:33] <Unit193> Tried clearing out the cache and cookies?  I don't see it helping, but could try the guest account and see how that goes.
[20:35] <csenger41> well thanks, I'll try that
[20:36] <csenger41> nope, still not working
[20:37] <Unit193> Is this at other locations/computers too?
[20:38] <csenger41> no
[20:39] <csenger41> maybe I should try a restart?
[20:39] <drc> csenger41: Was the "nope, still not working" the cache/cookies or the guest account?
[20:40] <Unit193> Not really sure what to tell you, one thought would be something like DNS being slow so it'd come back slower, but that wouldn't be just Google.
[20:40] <csenger41> clearing cache
[20:41] <drc> csenger41: Try this 1) close FF, 2) rename ~/.mozilla, 3) open FF and see if it's still slow.
[20:41] <csenger41> drc: I use Chromium 99% of the time
[20:42] <drc> you can rename the original ~/.mozilla back when you're done
[20:42] <drc> do what you want then.
[20:42] <Unit193> csenger41: Same concept there, only with ~/.cache/chromium/ and ~/.config/chromium/
[20:44] <drc> If the problems happens will FF/chromium and opera, this probably won't help...but it's good to eliminate one possible source of the problem :)
[20:45] <Unit193> Indeed, I'm not really sure what it would be, I've had no such problems and can't think of why.
[20:48] <drc> may a quick change to another set of DNS servers to test...another possible problem source eliminated if it doesn't work.
[20:50] <csenger41> thanks for the tips, I'll keep them in mind, but I have to go to sleep now or else I fall on the keyboard :D
[20:50] <csenger41> bye, good night
[20:57] <treker> hi I using dual monitor and the  default panel is on the wrong monitor, any way to move or copy the panel to my main monitor?
[20:58] <treker> my monitor that I want the panel on is laready configured to be my primary monitor :/
[20:59] <OstravanCZ> Hi, I have a problem with Firefox. When you enter gmail.com will be redirected to the example http://poyzz.exclusiverewards.mysurveycenter-rules.com/?sov=173652&hid=dtplldlnrhldfdftd&&id=cGiveaways2 or http://hvrzz.exclusiverewards.mysurveycenter-rules.com/?sov=173652&hid=dltdhftlnfdftd&&id=cGiveaways2 .  I tried to restart Firefox, restore your router to factory settings, changed password but still nothing helped. I have FF vers
[20:59] <OstravanCZ> I'll be glad for any advice.
[21:07] <OstravanCZ> I find it quite strange. I have no extensions installed and it is a week old clean install of Xubuntu.
[23:10] <wrongplace> the usb3 to smartcard adapter I bought no longer recognizes HDD
[23:10] <wrongplace> it worked perfectly for 6 hours
[23:10] <wrongplace> I plugged the unit off and the thing stopped recognizing external hdds
[23:10] <wrongplace> any tips?


[01:16] <xubuntu773> hello
[01:16] <Poisoned_Dragon> hi
[01:17] <xubuntu773> anyone have issues with missing icons on  13.10
[01:18] <xubuntu773> is posting links here aloud
[01:19] <Poisoned_Dragon> missing icons?
[01:19] <xubuntu773> i have a screen shot of it if anyone wants
[01:19] <Poisoned_Dragon> show, please
[01:19] <xubuntu773> http://imgur.com/3coGtXH
[01:21] <Poisoned_Dragon> a remote desktop connection from a win8 pc?
[01:21] <xubuntu773> yes
[01:21] <Poisoned_Dragon> You know, someone one else complained about missing elements in xfce, during a remote session.
[01:21] <Poisoned_Dragon> lemme see if my google-fu can find it
[01:22] <xubuntu773> i looked
[01:22] <xubuntu773> :(
[01:24] <Poisoned_Dragon> it ended having to do with xsession files, iirc. The ones that govern the remote session
[01:26] <xubuntu773> so its the xrdp
[01:28] <Poisoned_Dragon> here's a small tip of the ice burg
[01:29] <Poisoned_Dragon> http://ozkaya84.wordpress.com/2013/03/30/remote-desktop-to-linux-servers/
[01:30] <Poisoned_Dragon> I don't know if the problem gets bigger than that. But, alot of XRDP display issues seem to stem from needing to make an .xsession to dictate what DE you're using.
[01:34] <xubuntu773> ok reading now
[01:42] <xubuntu773> well i tried this and it seems like the company that installed the os did something wrong
[01:42] <xubuntu773> all process will not restart they way they are intendid
[01:43] <xubuntu773> gonna go rage thanks for your help
[01:44] <Poisoned_Dragon> no prob. :)
[01:56] <HunterZ> Anyone know why my audio indicator would be greyed out after an upgrade from Xubuntu x64 13.04 to 13.10? Audio itself seems to be working fine, but the indicator in the indicator panel is greyed out, and clicking it shows a very small empty popup.
[03:36] <silverlion> hey there!
[05:20] <hempfest> hello, are there any guides to getting xubuntu 13.10 properly installed on a usb stick, i tried but grub goes into some sort of panik mode and leaves me at a command line
[05:21] <hempfest> when i try and boot the stick
[05:22] <hempfest>  i am an on laptop that i have enabled legacy booting (non-efi) first. '
[05:22] <hempfest> can boot dvd's iso just fine, want a proper lnstall though, r/w filesystem and all that.
[05:23] <hempfest> on my 16gb usb stick. any suggestions thanks?'
[05:24] <hempfest> oh well
[05:24] <hempfest> i figure it ou myself, have fun!
[07:37] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys how do u change the transparency of a right click
[07:37] <Psil0Cybin> menu in xubuntu
[07:47] <atari> hi
[07:47] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys how do u change the transparency of a right click
[07:47] <Psil0Cybin> menu in xubuntu
[07:48] <atari> does anyone know whether there is a thinkpad ubuntu/linux irc channel?
[07:50] <elfy> Psil0Cybin: try settings manager > window manager tweaks > compositor tab - then opacity of popup windows
[07:51] <elfy> atari: if you mean a specific channel for thinkpads I don't know - but I doubt it
[07:54] <atari> elfy: mhm... i have a power issue...
[07:57] <Psil0Cybin> hey anyone know how to change the right click menu transparency
[07:57] <Psil0Cybin> in xfce
[07:58] <elfy> Psil0Cybin: try settings manager > window manager tweaks > compositor tab - then opacity of popup windows
[07:58] <Psil0Cybin> i didd
[07:58] <Psil0Cybin> i changed it and nothing :(
[07:58] <elfy> oh - not sure about in xfce
[07:58] <Psil0Cybin> no no im using xubuntu
[07:58] <Psil0Cybin> so its the same, i did that tho
[07:58] <elfy> is the compositor actually turned on?
[07:59] <Psil0Cybin> i googled for hrs elfy all google yeilds is panel transparency
[07:59] <Psil0Cybin> of course my inactive windows are transparent
[07:59] <Psil0Cybin> same thing as my window decorations :)
[07:59] <Psil0Cybin> i love looking sleeek
[08:02] <elfy> http://imagebin.org/274911
[08:02] <elfy> Psil0Cybin: is that not what you mean then ^^
[08:02] <elfy> not sure why inactive windows would be transparent but not right click windows
[08:02] <Psil0Cybin> yup i changed that
[08:03] <Psil0Cybin> but when i right click
[08:03] <Psil0Cybin> its only a little transparent
[08:03] <Psil0Cybin> it doesnt change if i turn it all the way to transparent
[08:03] <Psil0Cybin> i can still see a dark gray transparentish menu
[08:04] <elfy> mmm
[08:04] <elfy> if I turn it all the way to completely transparent I can't see it at all
[08:04] <Psil0Cybin> your right click menu??
[08:05] <Psil0Cybin> like u right click and dont see it?
[08:05] <elfy> yep - right click on desktop menu and any popup menus
[08:05] <Psil0Cybin> maybe i need to log off?
[08:05] <Psil0Cybin> and log back in?
[08:05] <elfy> changes are instantaneous here
[08:05] <Psil0Cybin> wtf
[08:06] <well_laid_lawn> !wtf
[08:15] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys i cannot get my right click menu to be transparent in xubuntu any thing else i can try
[08:18] <Psil0Cybin> when i change the opicility of pop up window it only changes to a little bit of transparency
[08:18] <Psil0Cybin> but i cannot make it go any more
[08:52] <Arpad2> no sound after upgrade to 13.10, solutions from Google not working
[08:56] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys i cannot get my right click menu to be transparent in xubuntu any thing else i can try
[09:01] <elfy> Psil0Cybin: I've not been able to find anything anywhere that comes even close to compositing working for everything but popup windows
[09:04] <Psil0Cybin> elfy: i know its super wierd man
[09:04] <Psil0Cybin> i cannot figure it out
[09:04] <Psil0Cybin>  but i found a bug report
[09:04] <Psil0Cybin> hrs after googling
[09:04] <Psil0Cybin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfwm4/+bug/325662
[09:08] <elfy> Psil0Cybin: what theme/icon sets are you using? and what release of xubuntu is it
[09:09] <Psil0Cybin> Shitu-Brave
[09:09] <Psil0Cybin> 12.04
[09:09] <Psil0Cybin> im looking through the theme files
[09:09] <Psil0Cybin> to see if its changing settings cuz its wied all other transparency works
[09:09] <Psil0Cybin> it cannot be a driver issue...its something in the settings
[09:09] <elfy> do you get the same issue if you change to default icons/themes?
[09:10] <Psil0Cybin> im using Shiki-Brave
[09:10] <Psil0Cybin> im going to try right now
[09:10] <Psil0Cybin> whata default xubuntu theme
[09:10] <elfy> greybird afaik
[09:11] <Psil0Cybin> same problem
[09:12] <Psil0Cybin> the menus are semi transparent in the applications but on desktop barley
[09:12] <Psil0Cybin> and i cannot change it no matter what theme
[09:13] <elfy> weird - have you tried to rename the .config/xfce4 and restart
[09:13] <Psil0Cybin> which config
[09:13] <elfy> or move it to desktop or something
[09:13] <Psil0Cybin> what do u mean sorry
[09:14] <elfy> the xfce4 folder in .config
[09:14] <elfy> don't delete it - just move it somewhere - then logout/in
[09:15] <elfy> Psil0Cybin: good luck - gtg now
[09:16] <Psil0Cybin> kk
[09:16] <Psil0Cybin> thanks man
[09:16] <Psil0Cybin> have a good night
[09:39] <Psil0Cybin> hey anyone here that can help me with opacity for popup messages?
[09:39] <Psil0Cybin> it doesnt seem to work for me
[09:41] <bazhang> for gnome?
[09:49] <Psil0Cybin> xubuntu
[09:49] <Psil0Cybin> im in the settings i went to Window Manager Tweaks
[09:49] <Psil0Cybin> everything works perfectly except when i change opacity of pop up windows
[09:49] <Psil0Cybin> just those pop up windows do not change
[09:49] <Psil0Cybin> everything else does
[09:58] <Psil0Cybin> bazhang:
[10:07] <thinair> Hello, does someone know can I add buttons to title bar?
[10:08] <thinair> I can move the Roll Up button from hidden window section to active section, but can I have it on bath?
[10:09] <thinair> *both
[10:09] <thinair> :D
[10:19] <thinair> Does someone know can I add buttons to the title bar?
[10:20] <thinair> I can move the RollUp button from hidden section to active section in window manager settings, but can I have it on both?
[10:21] <thinair> Somthing's wrong with xchat.. Does these messages show up? They are transparent here....
[10:21] <brainwash> thinair: that wouldn't make much sense, the button is either visible or not
[10:22] <thinair> Oh, sorry.. My misunderstanding.
[10:24] <thinair> I thought that "hidden" was some kind of mode of the window.
[10:25] <Psil0Cybin> hey anyone here that can help me with opacity for popup messages?
[10:25] <Psil0Cybin> it doesnt seem to work for me
[10:25] <Psil0Cybin> im in the settings i went to Window Manager Tweaks
[10:26] <Psil0Cybin> everything works perfectly except when i change opacity of pop up windows
[10:29] <well_laid_lawn> what pop up window are you testing with ?
[10:31] <Psil0Cybin> right click
[10:31] <Psil0Cybin> on desktop
[10:32] <Psil0Cybin> and the xubutu icon
[10:32] <Psil0Cybin> on top panel
[10:37] <well_laid_lawn> they are both menus...
[10:38] <Psil0Cybin> yea
[10:38] <Psil0Cybin> and they dont change
[10:38] <Psil0Cybin> when i change the transparency
[10:38] <Psil0Cybin> of them
[10:39] <Psil0Cybin> i want them to be transparent
[10:39] <Psil0Cybin> http://imagebin.org/274922
[10:39] <Psil0Cybin> here is a image well_laid_lawn
[10:41] <thinair> Changing popup window opacity worked perfectly for me.
[10:42] <Psil0Cybin> i know
[10:43] <Psil0Cybin> everyone keeps saying that :(
[10:43] <Psil0Cybin> everything else works perfectly
[10:43] <Psil0Cybin> but not that one setting how can i do it manually??
[10:43] <Psil0Cybin> how wierd
[10:44] <Psil0Cybin> i posted this thinair http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2183951&p=12829860#post12829860
[10:44] <Psil0Cybin> i really want to get this working its pissing me off >.<
[10:44] <brainwash> can you reproduce this issue with a new user account?
[10:46] <Psil0Cybin> i dont think a new user account would make a difference because all other setting swithin the window manager work
[10:46] <Psil0Cybin> it makes no sense that one of the settings would not work
[10:46] <Psil0Cybin> is there a file
[10:46] <Psil0Cybin> that handles popup windows
[10:47] <well_laid_lawn> you could have a look through xfconf
[10:47] <brainwash> it does not hurt to test
[10:48] <brainwash> better than flooding this channel with your strange question :P
[10:48] <well_laid_lawn> a genuine concern is not a strange question brainwash
[10:49] <Psil0Cybin> i found this well_laid_lawn brainwash thinair : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfwm4/+bug/325662
[10:49] <Psil0Cybin> it seems one person had the same problem
[10:49] <brainwash> on top of that, check ~/.xsession-errors and run "xfwm4 --replace" inside a terminal window for some debugging info
[10:51] <brainwash> just to make sure, this problem affects other themes as well and you did not make custom theme changes, right?
[10:52] <Psil0Cybin> brainwash:
[10:52] <Psil0Cybin> i found this perhaps
[10:52] <Psil0Cybin> (xfwm4-tweaks-settings:3556): Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_window_group_remove_window: assertion `window->group == window_group' failed
[10:52] <Psil0Cybin> yea i did
[10:52] <Psil0Cybin> it affects all themes
[10:53] <Psil0Cybin> ugh i am so confused >.< always me
[10:54] <Psil0Cybin> i also got this
[10:54] <Psil0Cybin> (xfwm4-tweaks-settings:3551): Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_window_group_remove_window: assertion `window->group == window_group' failed
[10:54] <Psil0Cybin> xfwm4-Message: xfwm4: Cannot parse color ##8c8e8d
[10:55] <well_laid_lawn> there's two # in that colour
[10:56] <Psil0Cybin> yea but it effects all themes anyway so i know thats not causing it
[10:56] <Psil0Cybin> what else could it be wow this is such a noodle scratcher
[10:56] <Psil0Cybin> if wuld make more sense if no transparency worked
[10:58] <elfy> and a whole lot easier to fix :)
[10:59] <Psil0Cybin> Baah
[10:59] <Psil0Cybin> ahaa
[10:59] <Psil0Cybin> why did u say that >.<
[10:59] <well_laid_lawn> the error says the colour can't be parsed - it's not ok
[11:01] <Psil0Cybin> so would it be in the ~./themes folder?
[11:02] <Psil0Cybin> i cant find that color code with the theme
[11:02] <Psil0Cybin> im using
[11:03] <Psil0Cybin> ill be back in a few hrs im going to get 2 hrs of sleep before i take the gf to work
[11:03] <Psil0Cybin> thanks for trying to help me for now
[11:19] <silv3r_m00n> hi there
[11:20] <silv3r_m00n> i remember using xubuntu 12.04, since which version did that dock at the bottom came in ?
[11:20] <`Fibz`> before 12.04
[11:22] <silv3r_m00n> oh, its only a panel
[11:33] <xubuntu627> When I browse flash videos and read some pdf document on evince at the same time, every scroll causes the video to lag
[11:48] <bingo> hello. in session and startup, what does display chooser on login do?
[11:54] <TheSheep> bingo: displays a session chooser on login
[11:54] <bingo> ty
[11:56] <bingo> what is a good font for Albatross ?
[11:56] <bingo> it is set to Sans currently
[11:57] <bekks> Whats "Albatross"?
[11:57] <bingo> Style
[11:57] <bingo> in Appearance
[16:05] <xubuntu862> hello
[16:06] <xubuntu862> i have a question
[16:06] <xubuntu862> is there any expert?
[16:07] <thinair> You don't need ask to ask.
[16:08] <thinair> What kind of a problem?
[16:09] <xubuntu862> i need to install the 'brcmsmac' driver. to do this i need to install a "linux-backports-modules". i have problems to do this (even to download this)
[16:10] <bazhang> !find linux-backports-modules
[16:11] <thinair> Isn't brcmsmac installed in ubuntu out of the box?
[16:12] <xubuntu862> if it is. how can i load it to my "wirelass land card"?  lspci -k says that no kernel driver is loaded.
[16:13] <Sysi> what xubuntu version, what macbook?
[16:13] <thinair> It's sometimes called brcm80211.
[16:13] <xubuntu862> my notebook is an: thinkpad e130 (wlan card is Broadcom BCM4313).  i am using xubuntu 13.10
[16:14] <thinair> I have BCM4312
[16:16] <thinair> but I use wifi usb dongle.
[16:17] <xubuntu862> but it is possible to run this card on xubuntu
[16:17] <xubuntu862> http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/WLAN/Karten/Broadcom
[16:17] <xubuntu862> its in german unfortunately
[16:18] <xubuntu862> so how can i load a module to run this card?
[16:21] <thinair> Before I used regular ubuntu, and I had compatible driver in Additional Drivers.
[16:21] <thinair> But not anymore when using xubuntu.
[16:26] <xubuntu862> no possibility?
[16:26] <bazhang> !broadcom
[16:26] <bazhang> read that?
[16:28] <xubuntu862> ok ill check that and try it
[16:28] <xubuntu862> thank u
[18:03] <xfce> any idea why after restart xubuntu 12.04  auto start up skype and 5 times cairo-dock ?
[18:04] <Unit193> Because you saved your session, uncheck that option and remove ~/.cache/sessions
[18:04] <xfce> both of them has been removed from autostart up
[18:04] <xfce> i didnt save it
[18:06] <xfce> to erase everything in /sessions ?
[19:20] <dumnut> hi, i have ubuntu on my old 2g computer and it is running slow, would xubuntu run faster?
[19:22] <bekks> dumnut: Install xfce and see for yourself. :)
[19:22] <bekks> dumnut: No need to reinstall things or something.
[19:23] <dumnut> hi bekks, so xfce runs on ubuntu os?
[19:25] <dumnut> bekks: yup , that is what you said, sorry for me being dumb, t-y for your tip
[19:32] <esr> I'm observing logout to hang forever on a fresh Xubuntu 13.10 install.  Are others?  Is there a known workaround?
[19:35] <well_laid_lawn> esr:  what happens if you try and logout through a terminal ?
[19:36] <esr> well_laid_lawn: What command should I use to attempt this?
[19:37] <well_laid_lawn> open a terminal, type   logout   , press enter
[19:39] <esr> !!! I didn't think that'd work from X.  I'm in i3 at the moment; will probably lose my IRC connection tesing this.  Back soon.
[19:40] <dumnut> hi esr, i admire you for learning to be expert in programming
[19:40] <esr> ubottu: That's OK, lotta timea when I use IRC people think I'm an AI emulating ESR. :-)
[19:42] <esr> And in fact it doesn't work under i3. I get "bash: logout: not login shell: use `exit'".  I think that's what's going to go down under Xfce, too.
[19:45] <esr> Confirned.  "logout" from an Xfce terminal window fails with a complaint abut not a login shell.
[19:46] <esr> well_laid_lawn: You got any better idea how I can make a real logout work where it can be monitored?
[19:47] <Unit193> esr: You have systemd-shim installed?
[19:47] <esr> Unit193: If it's in the stock install.  Checking...
[19:48] <esr> Unit193: aptitude says I do.
[19:50] <Unit193> The only logout hang issue I know of was fixed in upstart.  You should have a ~/.cache/upstart/startxfce4.log, does it give any pointers?
[19:50] <esr> Looking...
[19:52] <esr> Unit193: Lots of junky GNOME and DBUS messages. No obvious clue.
[20:03] <esr> Had to reboot to get out of Xfce.  Haven't seen any taffic d=sunce I said "No obvious clue."
[20:04] <Unit193> Not seen that issue I'd say.
[20:05] <elfy> esr: and how long do you mean by forever?
[20:06] <esr> elfy: I mean "forever" forever.  The logout menu entry is a black hole, the only escape is hard-rebooting the machine.
[20:06] <elfy> bug 1227212
[20:06] <elfy> but I thought that was fixed
[20:07] <brainwash> elfy: ~10sec is not "forever"
[20:08] <brainwash> and it has been fixed quite some time ago :)
[20:08] <elfy> indeed not brainwash - but then when we were discussing that issue - I didn't think 10 seconds was a long time ;)
[20:08] <esr> I don't even get to the logout/reboot/shutdown popup.
[20:09] <brainwash> esr: run "xfce4-session-logout"
[20:09] <TheSheep> esr: that's xfce4-session-logout not logout
[20:10] <esr> OK.  Hold on, going to have to change out of i3 again...
[20:11] <esr> (I prefer i3 to xfce, I'm just reporting this bug because somebody ought to.)
[20:11] <brainwash> are you even running the xfce session?
[20:11] <brainwash> ...
[20:13] <esr> About to run xfce4-session-logout
[20:14] <esr> It returns with no errors.  But the popup does not appear, and my machine is no so laggy that my keystrokes have delayed echo.
[20:15] <TheSheep> esr: I know that it may sounds strange, but it may be a problem with graphics drivers + "display overaly windows directly" setting + the darkening of the screen of the logout dialog -- I think I had that at some point, disabling "display overlay windows directly" in window manager tweaks worked around it, you could try it
[20:15] <esr> Er, "now so laggy".
[20:16] <TheSheep> it's in the 'compositor' tab
[20:16] <esr> TheSheep: How do I access window manager teaks?
[20:16] <esr> What menu entrtry or application?
[20:17] <TheSheep> xfce4-settings-manager  then select "window manager tweaks"
[20:17] <esr> OK.  Shall reboot and attempt.
[20:17] <TheSheep> failing that, maybe stracing the xfce4-session-logout would shed some light :/
[20:18] <TheSheep> I think it only sends a message through dbus
[20:24] <esr> TheSheep: Nope.  Fund that etry, it was under "Composite th ecreen" which was disabled.  Enabled compositing, disabled display overlay windows directyly, same result.
[20:25] <TheSheep> esr: no idea then, I assume that since you say "fresh xubuntu install", you are using the default setup and are running xfce4-session, not some other session manager?
[20:25] <esr> TheSheep: Howeverm the general theory that it's a driver problem seems plausible.  *Something* is sure as hell eating my CPU.
[20:26] <esr> TheSheep: Yes.  I use i3 for production, but logging out of that works OK.
[20:26] <TheSheep> as far as I know (I'm not very knowledgable about this), all xfce4-session-logout does is sending a dbus message
[20:26] <TheSheep> and the actual logout is handled by xfce4-session itself
[20:27] <esr> Hm.  Could dbus be spinning?
[20:27] <TheSheep> maybe running dbus-monitor while trying xfce4-session-logout would be enlightening
[20:28] <esr> Could be tried.
[20:29] <esr> Trying it.  dbus-monitor now running.
[20:29] <esr> Attempting logout...
[20:31] <TheSheep> I get a lot of  string "Property "/general/AutoSave" does not exist on channel "xfce4-session""  but the dialog appears
[20:38] <esr> TheSheep: Noting obviously enlightening in the dbus messages - and I couldn't save a copy, the machine as too hung.
[20:39] <TheSheep> esr: I think I'm out of ideas, if you'd report the bug on launchpad, then much more experienced people will have a look at it
[20:40] <esr> TheSheep: Will do.
[20:40] <TheSheep> thanks
[20:52] <Arpad2> after partial upgrade to 13.10 no sound comming out of xubuntu laptop
[20:55] <TheSheep> Arpad2: alsamixer in terminal shows anything?
, it sais this: arpad@arpad-P170EM:~$ alsamixer
[20:57] <Arpad2> cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
[20:57] <Arpad2> arpad@arpad-P170EM:~$
[20:57] <TheSheep> Arpad2: ok, does "lsmod | grep snd" show anything?
[20:57] <TheSheep> (don't paste it here)
[20:58] <Arpad2> however, sudo alsamixer sais
[20:59] <Arpad2> TheSheep: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6314698/
[21:00] <TheSheep> ok, that looks good
[21:00] <TheSheep> what about sudo alsamixer?
[21:00] <Arpad2> TheSheep: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6314714/
[21:01] <TheSheep> looks like your volume on the master channel is down to 0
[21:01] <TheSheep> use arrow up to raise it
[21:03] <Arpad2> no effect
[21:04] <Arpad2> still dumb
[21:05] <TheSheep> I wonder why you had to use sudo
[21:05] <knome> i'd check pavucontrol, especially the selected output device and audio levels.
[21:06] <TheSheep> Arpad2: can you go to the settings manager -> users and settings -> your user -> advanced settings -> user priviledges
[21:06] <onr> can you upgrade from 13.04 to 13.10 using the ISO file?
[21:06] <Arpad2> ok
[21:06] <TheSheep> Arpad2: and make sure you have the right to use audio devices?
[21:06] <knome> onr, yes
[21:07] <onr> knome: what i need to do?
[21:08] <knome> onr, boot the image and select upgrade
[21:08] <onr> knome: oh thank you
[21:08] <knome> no problem
[21:10] <Arpad2> TheSheep: 'Use audio devices' was unchecked
[21:12] <Arpad2> but checking it , doesn't solve the problem
[21:12] <Arpad2> perhaps with reboot?
[21:15] <bekks> Arpad2: Reboot never solves problems, not even when using Windows.
[21:17] <TheSheep> in this case a logout might, though
[21:17] <TheSheep> changes in group membership only have result after relogging
[21:38] <Sazpaimon_> so I'm trying to configure xubuntu with compiz and whisker-menu to work with the super key for shortcuts
[21:38] <Sazpaimon_> I have whisker-menu set to open with the Super_L key, and compiz set up to maximize and snap applications using Super+left/right/up, but they seem to conflict with eachother
[21:39] <Sazpaimon_> for example, simply pressing the Super key will cause whisker-menu to open, which seems to break the compiz shortcuts. is there a way to have xfce to wait until the super key is unpressed?
[21:40] <TheSheep> Sazpaimon_: I don't think you will find many people experienced with compiz or whisker-menu here, I would try at #compiz
[21:40] <TheSheep> Sazpaimon_: because compiz is not part of xfce
[21:41] <Sazpaimon_> yeah i wasnt sure if here or compiz would be the best place, because I'm using both xfce shortcuts and compiz ones
[21:41] <Sazpaimon_> but I'll try over there
[21:41] <TheSheep> I don't think you can use xfce shortcuts without running xfwm4, and I'm pretty sure you cannot run xfwm and compiz at the same time
[21:42] <Sazpaimon_> thats odd because it seems to be working fine
[21:42] <Sazpaimon_> i bound the super key to an application using the standard xubuntu keyboard shortcut settings and it worked
[21:42] <Sazpaimon_> its just that it doesnt want for the key to be unpressed before taking the action
[21:42] <Sazpaimon_> s/want/wait
[21:43] <TheSheep> maybe it shares settings with compiz?
[21:43] <Sazpaimon_> could be, I'll try disabling compiz and see if that makes it work the way I expect
[21:45] <Sazpaimon_> also, since you mentioned that many people wont know about whisker-menu here, is there any alternative application menu for xfce that people tend to use?
[21:45] <Sazpaimon_> notably one with a search feature
[21:46] <ochosi> not that i know of
[21:46] <ochosi> there's only the eOS "menu" slingshot, which can be used by adding a launcher to the panel
[21:46] <ochosi> but in my experience it's not responsive enough
 after reboot audio is available with alsamixer, thank you for help
[22:26] <deamanx> hey guys i have a q.My screen brightness can only be set via the terminal with "echo 100 | sudo tee /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness" is there anyway i can make my hardware button work?
[22:36] <bekks> deamanx: That is your hardware button replacement if it doesnt work otherwise.


[02:04] <shtylman> evand: hope my last min keyboard additions wern't too much trouble :)
[09:45] <CIA-33> hw-detect: cjwatson * r129 ubuntu/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Don't install mouseemu on Intel Mac desktops (LP: #251830).
[09:58] <CIA-33> hw-detect: cjwatson * r130 ubuntu/ (6 files in 2 dirs): merge lp:~superm1/hw-detect/dell-driver-injection-disk
[09:59] <davmor2> evand: is the unr kne behaviour I describe yesterday the expected behaviour?
[09:59] <CIA-33> hw-detect: cjwatson * r131 ubuntu/driver-injection-disk.sh: use tr rather than GNU sed \L extension
[09:59] <evand> davmor2: I didn't catch it
[09:59] <evand> what did you say?
[09:59] <CIA-33> hw-detect: cjwatson * r132 ubuntu/driver-injection-disk.sh: use block-attr rather than vol_id
[10:00] <davmor2> evand: only 2 options appear on both.  try/full install and more info
[10:01] <evand> davmor2: I'll need to see logs.  %TEMP%\Wubi-rXXX.log (where XXX is the version you're using)
[10:01] <davmor2> install inside windows doesn't appear
[10:01] <CIA-33> hw-detect: cjwatson * r133 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.72ubuntu4
[10:01] <davmor2> I'll get it after need to take my wife off about an hour or so
[10:12] <CIA-33> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1141 ubuntu/ (10 files in 3 dirs): Move to 2.6.31-8 kernels.
[11:33] <CIA-33> usb-creator: evand * r138 usb-creator/ (5 files in 5 dirs):
[11:33] <CIA-33> usb-creator: * Re-enable perodic sufficient free space checks.
[11:33] <CIA-33> usb-creator: * Re-enable optional persistence file creation in the UI.
[12:07] <CIA-33> casper: cjwatson * r671 trunk/debian/ (changelog control): Stop recommending unionfs-fuse, as we're using aufs again in Karmic.
[12:13] <CIA-33> casper: cjwatson * r672 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.187
[12:58] <CIA-33> usb-creator: evand * r139 usb-creator/ (7 files in 6 dirs): Fix image and ISO writing for the devicekit backend.
[12:59] <shtylman> davmor2: can I get a screenshot for that bug you filed against kubuntu frontend?
[12:59] <davmor2> shtylman: I'll have a go at getting after for you
[13:00]  * shtylman does not compute....
[13:03] <nomed> hi all
[13:03] <nomed> what's the d-i component that allowes to use static network ?
[13:03] <nomed> i'd need to allow static network in ubiquity
[13:14] <evand> nomed: netcfg.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/installation-guide/i386/preseed-contents.html#preseed-network
[13:14] <evand> oh, I misread
[13:15] <evand> nomed: it is not possible at the moment to configure static networking via preseeding in ubiquity.
[13:16] <evand> err configure networking at all using preseeding in ubiquity*
[13:17] <evand> but if you're just after static networking, you can just append some lines to /etc/network/interfaces the ubiquity/success_command debconf key.
[13:18] <evand> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbiquityAutomation lists the ubiquity-specific debconf keys
[13:20] <nomed> evand, i was trying to find the best way to patch it
[13:21] <nomed> adding an ubiquity step
[13:21] <nomed> like: Configure Network
[13:21] <evand> nomed: there's already a netcfg component in ubiquity, it's just currently only used for the debconf frontend to oem-config
[13:22] <evand> ubiquity/components/network.py in ubiquity bzr trunk
[13:22] <nomed> evand, perfect thanks
[13:22] <nomed> i 'm going to check it
[13:22] <evand> nomed: sure thing, apologies for the confusion
[13:45] <davmor2> evand: sorry for the delay bloody thing is so slow at updating it's unreal.  http://www.davmor2.co.uk/wubi-9.10-rev147.log
[13:46] <evand> davmor2: permission denied
[13:46] <davmor2> bugger try again
[13:47] <davmor2> I forget that just cause I can see it doesn't necessarily mean everyone else can :)
[13:47] <davmor2> evand: that logs both I thing
[13:47] <davmor2> think even
[13:49] <evand> very odd, it says it found the CD just fine.  I'll have to download a copy of the iso and test locally
[13:52] <davmor2> evand: also the windows usb-creator.exe file throws up internal error: couldn't find pyhton26.dll
[13:53]  * evand raises an eyebrow.
[13:53] <evand> what version of Windows is this?
[13:53] <davmor2> xp on a netbook
[13:54] <davmor2> sp2 now 3 and still updating
[13:54] <davmor2> evand: I'll try again once it is fully up-to-date
[13:54] <davmor2> it just takes so long
[14:10] <nomed> evand, quick question
[14:10] <nomed> in case i want to use netcfg
[14:10] <nomed> should i preseed some debconf question ?
[14:13] <evand> nomed: I'm a bit confused by your question.  Ubiquity operates by running each d-i component until certain questions (as defined by the questions variable in each component) are asked (the run() function in each component), then breaks into the UI, until control returns back to it (ok_handler() in each component), which feeds the UI data back in the form of answers to the debconf questions.
[14:14] <evand> perhaps I led you down the wrong path a bit by pointing you at the netcfg component as it stands, as it's a fairly special case
[14:14] <evand> any of the other components should serve as a suitable guide
[14:14] <evand> (note this is going to become much easier to do once we merge the plugins branch)
[14:14] <evand> or at least more clear
[14:17] <nomed> evand, i get what you mean
[14:17] <nomed> i've never dived that much on d-i
[14:17] <nomed> but i know ubiquity very well
[14:18] <nomed> in netcfg-wrapper component
[14:18] <nomed> i see :
[14:18] <nomed> /usr/lib/ubiquity/netcfg/netcfg
[14:18] <evand> (for what it's worth, that code currently lives in ~mterry/ubiquity/plugins, and is going to be merged, pending a thumbs up from the other ubiquity developers and approval from the Ubuntu release team)
[14:18] <nomed> does that ask debconf the stuff it needs ?
[14:19] <evand> right, the build d-i components live in /usr/lib/ubiquity (they're in d-i/source in bzr)
[14:19] <evand> built*
[14:19] <nomed> yep
[14:19] <evand> so yes
[14:20] <nomed> where can i find the debconf entries i should set before to use it ?
[14:20] <nomed> only from source code ?
[14:20] <evand> nomed: that's probably the best way to familiarize yourself with what is going on
[14:20] <nomed> ok
[14:20] <nomed> thanks again for your availability evand
[14:20] <evand> nomed: sure thing
[14:39] <davmor2> shtylman: http://www.davmor2.co.uk/kub-part.jpg sorry about the size I needed to take it with my camera cause print-screen doesn't link to the snapshot app in kub
[14:41] <evand> davmor2: ah, you didn't mention you were running this off a usb disk.  I suspect therein lies the bug.
[14:41]  * evand digs further
[14:49] <davmor2> cjwatson: I'm getting Configure grub-pc on alternate, should this be so?
[14:57] <cjwatson> nope
[14:57] <cjwatson> well
[14:57] <cjwatson> probably not :)
[14:58] <cjwatson> might just need to tweak grub-installer
[15:01] <davmor2> cjwatson: I get 3 screens of it, 1 check the grub-pc at /boot.... or use kopt for legacy, 2 extentions to the kernel line, 3 what drive to put it on
[15:10] <cjwatson> ok, please file a bug on grub2
[15:12] <cjwatson> 1 and 2 are due to grub2, 3 is actually something grub-installer will need to change to fix, I think
[15:47] <xivulon> hi evand, replied to your email
[15:48] <evand> indeed, I already cooked up a patch for the squashfs fix, but I figured it might be more worthwhile to fix the underlying problem
[15:49] <evand> thanks for the reply!
[15:49] <xivulon> it would be less of a problem if the squashfs was used in live mode directly instead of installing from it... ...but then we'd lose migration
[15:49] <xivulon> I mean with a persistance file
[15:50] <xivulon> It would be interesting to see if we can avoid bind mounting /boot,  that woudl make things a lot tidier
[15:50] <xivulon> if I can make my grub2 working I will have a go this w/e
[15:51] <evand> good deal
[15:52] <xivulon> by the way, I noticed that there is a grub2 module that spits out UUIDs
[15:54] <xivulon> For the migration tool, could we add that to a ppa version of USB creator? Overriding the ubiquity version on the ISO?
[15:56] <davmor2> cjwatson: you know on encrypted lvm should it still have the old usplash?
[15:57] <xivulon> evand one other thing was to fix lupin to allow for software raids
[15:57] <xivulon> ^ The Muso
[15:57] <evand> xivulon: is there an open bug for that?
[15:58] <xivulon> I think there is one, will have to digg
[15:58] <evand> xivulon: we could always remaster a CD and stick it up on people.ubuntu.com
[15:58] <cjwatson> davmor2: old usplash?
[15:59] <xivulon> evand #206746
[15:59] <xivulon> evand that will do!
[15:59] <xivulon> the remastered CD
[16:00] <davmor2> cjwatson: the one with the flasher that goes from left to right rather than the new one that bobs up and down
[16:00] <xivulon> Ah also not sure if the accessibility page is still in line with the CD version
[16:00] <xivulon> ^ TheMuso
[16:00] <cjwatson> I believe that xsplash is generally not yet plumbed in as a complete replacement for usplash, so yes, you'll get both at the moment
[16:00] <cjwatson> this is not intended to be the final state
[16:01] <cjwatson> we need Scott's work on Upstart migration first
[16:01] <davmor2> cjwatson: ah okay so that is xsplash then now I know :)
[16:02] <xivulon> One last thing, is that the usability team made some GUI suggestions, mostly involving a reordering of the page elements and new artwork, should not affect functionality
[16:02] <davmor2> cjwatson: So I'll start panicking after a6
[16:03] <evand> xivulon: fantastic
[17:22] <CIA-33> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1142 ubuntu/ (build/config/armel/dove.cfg debian/changelog): bump dove ABI version to 2.6.31-202
[17:23] <mpt> hmmm, <http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/lifehacker/2009/08/migrationassistant_01.png> reminds me of something
[17:28] <CIA-33> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1143 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20081029ubuntu55
[17:46] <davmor2> cjwatson, evand: Got an issue with a unr install I'm getting Errno 5 error
[17:46] <cjwatson> I have to go, sorry
[17:46] <davmor2> cjwatson: no probs
[17:46] <cjwatson> errno 5 is EIO, I/O error
[17:47] <cjwatson> but errnos are the bottom level of error reporting and usually need context :)
[17:48] <davmor2> cjwatson: standard log files on the report then?   Anything else that might be useful?  P.s xp just did a fresh fat format on it
[17:48] <cjwatson> standard logs I guess
[17:49] <davmor2> others are having the same issue but running on d-i so they get more info I'll ask them to add it too
[17:49] <davmor2> thanks have a nice weekend
[17:52] <cjwatson> please ask them to file separate bugs, that's a very generic error
[17:53] <cjwatson> davmor2: could be anywhere, and could be radically different causes
[17:53] <cjwatson> so please don't encourage them to pile into the same bug :)
[17:54] <davmor2> wilko
[18:29] <CIA-33> ubiquity: mterry * r3406 trunk/ (6 files in 4 dirs): add venezuela timezone; fix 2nd click not cycling cities; add mexico/us invisible timezone border
[19:12] <CIA-33> ubiquity: mterry * r3407 trunk/debian/changelog: add texas bug number to my previous changelog, whoops
[20:34] <cr3> do I need to preseed anything in particular to avoid the prompt: do you want to resume partitionning?


[02:46] <swift110-phone_> How are you
[20:27] <adom> anyone ever run Plex on top of Ubuntu Server?  I'm about to set mine up on a DL380 G5 in my basement.  Lmk any pointers if you have any.
[20:28] <adom> I got ZoneMinder up on my DL360G5 no problems.