[12:11] <ins-dragonclaw> archangel_: do you get an error message?
[12:11] <n6rej> nick_: do you have another computer there?
[12:12] <archangel_> yes
[12:12] <nick_> no, its on order from tiger direct
[12:12] <ins-dragonclaw> and it is... ?
[12:12] <archangel_> The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem.
[12:12] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: can u man mount and df the cd?
[12:12] <ins-dragonclaw> ouch
[12:12] <ins-dragonclaw> mkay can't help there
[12:12] <crackhead_25__> n6rej: how do i cycle through the icons in sys set without using the mouse?
[12:12] <ins-dragonclaw> n6rej: English?
[12:12] <n6rej> arch pastebin your sources.list
[12:12] <archangel_>  Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[12:12] <nick_> i had windows, it was illegal copy, got tired of activation and all the BS that goes along with micro$oft so i dloaded kubuntu
[12:13] <ins-dragonclaw> ah
[12:13] <ins-dragonclaw> so window$ bit back
[12:13] <n6rej> crackhead_25__: if this was windows I'd say ctrl-tab and alt tab but I don't know here.
[12:13] <ins-dragonclaw> but see if the CD opens on a WinXP machine
[12:13] <nick_> it does
[12:13] <nick_> i already copied the pics once
[12:13] <ins-dragonclaw> ohhKAY
[12:13] <crackhead_25__> anybody?? how do you cycle through the icons in a window without using the mouse??
[12:13] <n6rej> nick_: oic!
[12:13] <jarn> Is there anyway to make it so KDE closes Firefox correctly when logging out and shutting down? Firefox always says it has crashed, which means that it doesn't store the session correctly.
[12:13] <nick_> but my computer crashed when i tried to patch the winlogon for acivation LOL
[12:13] <ins-dragonclaw> jarn - use Konqueror :)
[12:13] <nick_> yes, windows bit back
[12:13] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[12:14] <n6rej> nick_: LOL
[12:14] <ins-dragonclaw> it usually does
[12:14] <nick_> xp looks like something from toys R us
[12:14] <n6rej> nick_: what kind of cd is it? an cd-rw? or what?
[12:14] <nick_> CD-R
[12:14] <ins-dragonclaw> Xp feels more primitive than Kubuntu ...  i can't explain it
[12:14] <jarn> ins-dragonclaw: Konqueror doesn't do that either. And konqueror is way too unstable for me... it crashes atleast once a day and it doesn't like some javascript. Neither Google Pages nor Gmail display right in Konqueror, among other things.
[12:14] <n6rej> nick how did you make it?
[12:14] <archangel_> no idea crackhead_25__
[12:14] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: try OSX you'll flip!
[12:14] <nick_> used XP burning
[12:15] <nick_> right click "send to CD"
[12:15] <ins-dragonclaw> my Konqueror runs perfectly. maybe you just set it up wrong or something ... are you on Dapper or Edgy?
[12:15] <jarn> Edgy
[12:15] <ins-dragonclaw> n6rej: i know OSX well
[12:15] <n6rej> nick_: OH! ok, thats a unique format
[12:15] <archangel_> I always carry 1 or 2 spare mice,  but I'm a nerd
[12:15] <ins-dragonclaw> and yes, it is brilliant
[12:15] <ins-dragonclaw> and yes, I can set up K to mirror it
[12:15] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: what the heck is that format called?? I can't recall this second...
[12:15] <ins-dragonclaw> but i HATE the one-button mouse :/
[12:15] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: I saw that, how well does it work?
[12:15] <ins-dragonclaw> there's ISO and CDFS
[12:15] <nick_> FIY i have problems with konqerer too
[12:15] <ins-dragonclaw> never tried emulating OSX
[12:15] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: no there's another
[12:16] <ins-dragonclaw> hmmm
[12:16] <nick_> it likes to freeze
[12:16] <jarn> Having a mouse with one button is like having a brain with one lobe...
[12:16] <ins-dragonclaw> errrr... U-something
[12:16] <ins-dragonclaw> jarn - Mac-function+click
[12:16] <ins-dragonclaw> UDFS?
[12:16] <n6rej> hang on let me go look, nero can do that too, as can many more
[12:16] <ins-dragonclaw> no can't be
[12:16] <jarn> ins-dragonclaw: Err... what?
[12:16] <nick_> well ill be getting my new pc next week
[12:16] <nick_> ill copy the pics from there
[12:16] <ins-dragonclaw> the other FS for CDs
[12:17] <ins-dragonclaw> the mac's one-button-mouse becomes a two-button quite easily
[12:17] <ins-dragonclaw> and if i had to only have 1 brain lobe, i'd take the creative half ;)
[12:17] <nick_> id take the sex half
[12:17] <ins-dragonclaw> ...
[12:17] <crackhead_25__> that's not a half
[12:17] <jarn> ins-dragonclaw: That doesn't make it any less lame.
[12:17] <ins-dragonclaw> exactly
[12:17] <nick_> lol
[12:17] <stelhan> I'd take the half that Chuck Norris would take.
[12:17] <ins-dragonclaw> well, you get two-button mice
[12:17] <n6rej> joliet, rock-ridge, theres more... darn....
[12:17] <crackhead_25__> (nor are they actually considered to exist in halves anymore.. )
[12:17] <jarn> ins-dragonclaw: I want to use the mouse or the keyboard, I don't want to use both unless I'm playing a game.
[12:18] <ins-dragonclaw> but I don't like Mac for it's exclusitivity
[12:18] <AirRaven> Then use a MIghty Mouse.
[12:18] <ins-dragonclaw> i mean, they have like 3% of the global desktop markey
[12:18] <ins-dragonclaw> market*
[12:18] <AirRaven> *Everyone* loves non-working trackballs
[12:18] <ins-dragonclaw> and tech support is probably a nightmare
[12:18] <nick_> markey sounded better\
[12:18] <MinceR> markey mark
[12:18] <ins-dragonclaw> so i stick to linux - free, but just as good if not better
[12:18] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[12:19] <AirRaven> Apple Tech Support left a friend of mine hanging computerless for 2 months whilst they "fixed" it. Utterly lousy.
[12:19] <ins-dragonclaw> markey
[12:19] <ins-dragonclaw> Exactly
[12:19] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: its UDF
[12:19] <jarn> Ick, I was so happy when I got away from mice with trackballs. (Is the plural of a mouse mice or mouses? With animals I know it's mice, but with hardware...?)
[12:19] <ins-dragonclaw> YES
[12:19] <ins-dragonclaw> Told you - U-Something :)
[12:19] <MinceR> mice
[12:19] <ins-dragonclaw> mice
[12:19] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: lol
[12:19] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[12:19] <MinceR> meeces!
[12:19] <ins-dragonclaw> ...
[12:19] <ins-dragonclaw> mices
[12:19] <ins-dragonclaw> I are having many mices
[12:19] <jarn> lol
[12:19] <n6rej> mices?
[12:20] <ins-dragonclaw> ok... setting mode ins-dragonclaw -random
[12:20] <ins-dragonclaw> well, it happened
[12:20] <n6rej> !udf
[12:20] <ins-dragonclaw> I'm officially hooked on an album designed for 11-year olds
[12:20] <n6rej> lol
[12:20] <ins-dragonclaw> music album*
[12:20] <ins-dragonclaw> Hillsong Kids
[12:21] <ins-dragonclaw> just for reference: I'm 17
[12:21] <n6rej> nick_: take a look and see if apt-get has "linux-udf" or do sudo apt-cache search udf and see if you can find a driver
[12:21] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: then your excused LOL
[12:21] <alakhia> i have a newbie question about ssh: how do I have it save my passwd?
[12:21] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[12:21] <ins-dragonclaw> ssh is a protocol
[12:21] <alakhia> my apologies if this is not the right place to ask
[12:21] <ins-dragonclaw> what client are you using?
[12:22] <n6rej> alakhia: it doesn't your program can though
[12:22] <ins-dragonclaw> hell, we'll try and help anyway
[12:22] <alakhia> i am using rsync
[12:22] <n6rej> EEEEEK
[12:22] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[12:22] <n6rej> did he just swear?
[12:22] <ins-dragonclaw> who? alakhia?
[12:22] <alakhia> is there a better way?
[12:22] <ins-dragonclaw> :P
[12:22] <n6rej> *nid*
[12:22] <ins-dragonclaw> hmmm
[12:22] <n6rej> *nod* even
[12:22] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[12:22] <alakhia> :)
[12:23] <n6rej> alakhia: go read up about rsync, last I read it was still a terribly insecure variant
[12:23] <alakhia> I hate sftp
[12:23] <alakhia> because it doesn't recurse
[12:23] <archangel_> no clues on why adept is inoperable?
[12:23] <n6rej> alakhia: yeah, well ftp is bad anyway, so ....
[12:23] <ins-dragonclaw>  --password-file=FILE    read password from FILE
[12:23] <n6rej> archangel_: show me ur sources via pastebin
[12:23] <ins-dragonclaw> store your password in a file and use --password when you use rsync
[12:23] <alakhia> n6rej: it's my local network ... so I don't care too much about security
[12:23] <ins-dragonclaw> that's about the best I can do
[12:23] <n6rej> OMG is that all ins?
[12:23] <eilker> is there achannel for domain and web hosting  in freenode ?
[12:24] <archangel_> comming up
[12:24] <eilker> *a channel
[12:24] <ins-dragonclaw> hey! I didn't even know Rsync until about 20 seconds ago!
[12:24] <n6rej> alakhia: then why not just use nfs and be done with it?
[12:24] <n6rej> why ssh at all?
[12:24] <ins-dragonclaw> ...good point
[12:24] <alakhia> n6rej: isn't nfs too complicated?
[12:24] <ins-dragonclaw> if security's not an issue
[12:24] <archangel_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12066/
[12:25] <ins-dragonclaw> Geez... I have gospel, rap, rock, new age and trance in one playlist...
[12:25] <archangel_> that is the error
[12:25] <ins-dragonclaw> everyone from Hillsong though Linkin Park to Eminem
[12:25] <ins-dragonclaw> Oo
[12:25] <n6rej> alakhia: not from what I understand, its just terribly insecure but if youw ant something superduper simple install vsftpd and your done!
[12:25] <alakhia> n6rej: hmmm, ok, will look into it. Thanks.
[12:26] <n6rej> archangel_: I don't want the error.. try this ... sudo nano -w /etc/apt/sources/source.list
[12:26] <ins-dragonclaw> I miss that plugin...
[12:26] <archangel_> k
[12:26] <ins-dragonclaw> where /z printed my current playing song...
[12:26] <n6rej> alakhia: theres a guide on the ubuntu website under "server guide" that has a vsftpd section.  vsftpd is super easy to conif and lightening fast.
[12:26] <archangel_> what should I see?
[12:26] <ins-dragonclaw> speed <is relative to> bandwidth
[12:27] <crackhead_25> why does everytime i restart my xserver, my mouse pointer turn invisible (although the mouse can still function (if i can guess where the pointer is))??
[12:27] <n6rej> archangel_:  a text file yes?
[12:27] <ins-dragonclaw> crackhead_25: your PC has a crush on you
[12:27] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: gigabit ethernet but it is being choked by 100mb hub
[12:27] <archangel_> uuummmmm...a file yes....minus the text
[12:27] <ins-dragonclaw> there's a setting in System Settings -> Mouse and Keyboard -> Mouse that says "Locate the mouse when i press Ctrl"
[12:27] <ins-dragonclaw> try that
[12:27] <crackhead_25> ins-dragonclaw: im sure, but i have to whip it in line a bit then
[12:27] <n6rej> crackhead_25: let me look at something
[12:28] <archangel_> I have file location at the top
[12:28] <ins-dragonclaw> n6rej: if i told you my maximum downstream speed you'll die
[12:28] <archangel_> and options at the bottom
[12:28] <ins-dragonclaw> promise
[12:28] <archangel_> nothing in the middle
[12:29] <n6rej> crackhead_25: in the mouse section if you've changed anything ever, you might want to check "defaults" to reset stuff.
[12:29] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: you on dial-up?
[12:29] <ins-dragonclaw> I use WVDIAL to connect - do the math
[12:29] <n6rej> archangel_: paste whast in the file
[12:29] <alakhia> n6rej: the vsftpd server is actually for ftp ... not nfs
[12:29] <ins-dragonclaw> yep
[12:30] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: wow,
[12:30] <ins-dragonclaw> hence vs_FTP_pd
[12:30] <alakhia> n6rej: right ... :)
[12:30] <alakhia> n6rej: ins-dragonclas ... :)
[12:30] <n6rej> alakhia: yep, but if your just going to send files use that, if you need more use nfs
[12:30] <ins-dragonclaw> n6rej: Theoretical max downstream: 10kBytes/s. Usual speed: 4kBytes/s
[12:30] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: you sea bound?
[12:30] <ins-dragonclaw> my poor modem has done over 1024mb of data transfer by now...
[12:31] <soulrider> uhm
[12:31] <archangel_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12071/
[12:31] <soulrider> i feel so tempted to try and upgrade to feisty
[12:31] <alakhia> n6rej: nfs sounds better to me ... found the guide and the section related to that
[12:31] <soulrider> but i dont want kubuntu to die again
[12:31] <ins-dragonclaw> i -DID- mention that i use a SE k750i's GPRS modem to connect, right? :p
[12:31] <n6rej> what the heck?
[12:31] <soulrider> ins-dragonclaw: at what speed do you dl ?
[12:32] <n6rej> archangel_: what did you do?
 n6rej: Theoretical max downstream: 10kBytes/s.  :P
[12:32] <soulrider> i remember when i got DSL
[12:32] <ins-dragonclaw> over 8 months or so
[12:32] <n6rej> !easysource | archangel_
[12:32] <ubotu> archangel_: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[12:32] <soulrider> it was uber fast, 64Kb/64Kb :P
[12:32] <n6rej> arch, go rebuild your apt!!  its hosed!
[12:33] <ins-dragonclaw> I have access to a line at my local temple: max i've seen it do is 226kB/s downstream
[12:33] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: why use the gprs?
[12:33] <archangel_> an attempt to upgrade
[12:33] <soulrider> local temple ?
[12:33] <ins-dragonclaw> because my parents don't believe in DSL
[12:33] <n6rej> archangel_: ah
[12:33] <soulrider> lol
[12:33] <archangel_> someone was helping me online
[12:33] <ins-dragonclaw> oh, church
[12:33] <soulrider> ahh i see
[12:33] <ins-dragonclaw> Hatfield Christian Church
[12:33] <archangel_> thats all I know
[12:33] <soulrider> you use ubuntu CE ?
[12:33] <ins-dragonclaw> but it's beyond 'church'
[12:34] <archangel_> I cant really tell you what I did, cause I ahve no idea
[12:34] <archangel_> lol
[12:34] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: actually I think I understand what they are trying to accomplish.
[12:34] <ins-dragonclaw> who is the 'they' ?
[12:34] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: look here ... http://www.thewish.info
[12:34] <n6rej> your parents
[12:34] <Admiral_Chicago> archangel_: history | grep apt
[12:34] <ins-dragonclaw> no, i know darn well what they/re trying to accomplish
[12:34] <ins-dragonclaw> : Nothing.
[12:34] <Admiral_Chicago> that'll show you everything you did from CLI
[12:34] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: LOL
[12:35] <ins-dragonclaw> no kidding
[12:35] <ins-dragonclaw> Oo
[12:35] <ins-dragonclaw> it's very cheap to install DSL, and local rates are only that much more expensive
[12:35] <soulrider> what will ahppen if you spend a fortune in dual-up? :P
[12:35] <archangel_> ok done
[12:35] <ins-dragonclaw> but they use dialup and stick to the ulcers they get
[12:35] <ins-dragonclaw> soulrider: Nothing
[12:35] <steveire> Is there a voip application for kubuntu? Something like skype. Also using a protocol that's available on a windows application.
[12:35] <ins-dragonclaw> apart from my dismemberment
[12:36] <ins-dragonclaw> Ekiga Softphone?
[12:36] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: but what does it expose you to?  What POSSIBLE issues could come with it?   What I access from grps (IRC POP3 and webs) is what i'll access via dsl
[12:36] <ins-dragonclaw> oh, and the odd torrent :)
[12:36] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: they probably have to be proven that?
[12:37] <steveire> skype has never worked for me. I had audio problems and call dropping and everything.
[12:37] <n6rej> steveire: they've updated it recently.
[12:37] <n6rej> works great for me.
[12:37] <ins-dragonclaw> okay. assuming that I prove that it's safe clean fast costeffective and worth it ... they still won;t get it
[12:37] <n6rej> but yes there are other voip apps
[12:37] <steveire> ekiga seems to be a gnome application.
[12:37] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: are they truly "christians"?
[12:37] <steveire> n6rej: Do you use a repo version?
[12:38] <soulrider> ins-dragonclaw: if they are like that with DSL, i dont wanna know what they will do if you turn out to be gay :P
[12:38] <n6rej> steveire: dpkg
[12:38] <archangel_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12074/
[12:38] <steveire> Got a repo for me?
[12:38] <archangel_> what do I d?
[12:38] <archangel_> o
[12:38] <n6rej> soulrider: I'm slightly homophobic because of my beliefs, but as long as you don't press "your" lifestyle onto mine I leave it be.
[12:39] <soulrider> i see n6rej
[12:39] <soulrider> i would ahve a discussion about it, but it would probably turn into an argument and this place isnt appropiate
[12:39] <archangel_> I have to take my son to the doc...he has the plague
[12:39] <soulrider> archangel_:  =/
[12:39] <n6rej> soulrider: cc, I just take that man for what he said.
[12:40] <n6rej> soulrider: I could explain more but this aint the place.
[12:40] <archangel_> I will have to continue this in
[12:40] <archangel_> a little while
[12:40] <archangel_> thanks bye
[12:40] <ins-dragonclaw> grah
[12:40] <soulrider> n6rej: wanna go to offtopic ?
[12:40] <n6rej> archangel_: try rebooting, I don't know what you've got going on its more then one issue
[12:40] <n6rej> soulrider: query
[12:40] <soulrider> k
[12:41] <steveire> !skpye
[12:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about skpye - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:41] <steveire> !skype
[12:41] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[12:44] <Arwen> this channel isn't +t?
[12:44] <Arwen> sweet!
[12:44] <Admiral_Chicago> i think it actually is...
[12:44] <sstchur> Anyone know if the mouse cursor theme used in openSuse is publicly available?
[12:44] <steveire> Arwen: Nice name
[12:44] <Arwen> ......
[12:44] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[12:44] <Arwen> see? not +t
[12:44] <sasq> knetworkman stops updating the list of wireless spots... why, and what can I do about it?
[12:45] <ins-dragonclaw> ...
[12:45] <Arwen> lol....
[12:45] <ins-dragonclaw> someone set +nrt
[12:45] <Arwen> .....
[12:45] <Arwen> better
[12:45] <Admiral_Chicago> lets not play with the topic, least we get angy devs
[12:48] <crackhead_25> n6rej: i haent changed anything
[12:48] <crackhead_25> i think it has to do with gpm or gmp whatever you call it, the mouse driver used when switching over between xsessions and other things.. somehow i want to disengage/remove it?? but i dont know how..
[12:54] <AmyRose_> That's it. Konversation sucks.
[12:55] <AmyRose_> XChat is better.
[12:55] <ins-dragonclaw> ...lol...
[12:56] <Skrot> AmyRose: What's better about it?
[12:56] <ins-dragonclaw> hello AmyRose_, by the way
[12:56] <AmyRose> Skrot, XChat has HELP.
[12:56] <ins-dragonclaw> heheh
[12:57] <Skrot> hehe
[12:57] <AmyRose> I can't live without the /help command very long
[12:57] <AmyRose> and hello, ins-dragonclaw
[12:58] <ins-dragonclaw> :)
[12:58] <AmyRose> I know I'm a traitor for preferring a GTK-based IRC client, but at least I'm NOT using xchat-gnome.  I'm on my 2nd burn
[01:00] <AmyRose> steveire, Vanilla XChat for now.
[01:00] <Admiral_Chicago> Armagguedes: #ubuntu+1 for feisty questions
[01:00] <Armagguedes> ok sry
[01:01] <Admiral_Chicago> np
[01:01] <ins-dragonclaw> krap
[01:01] <ins-dragonclaw> it sucks when you find a song that keeps you awake...
[01:01] <ins-dragonclaw> at 1 in the morning :(
[01:01] <Armagguedes> even for Kubuntu issues/questions Admiral_Chicago ?
[01:01] <Admiral_Chicago> Armagguedes: yep.
[01:01] <steveire> You used to be able to get your skype contacts through kopete no?
[01:01] <sledge> Where has linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-13-generic gone to?
[01:01] <ins-dragonclaw> even worse - the song forces you to move...
[01:02] <jarn> sledge: I heard that it hasn't been made yet.
[01:02] <jarn> sledge: Dunno if that's true.
[01:02] <sledge> jarn: Thanks. That confirms my suspicion. :P. BRB, reboot.
[01:04] <szaloony> hi
[01:05] <Admiral_Chicago> hello
[01:05] <szaloony> I need help :)
[01:05] <Admiral_Chicago> ask
[01:05] <ins-dragonclaw> notice the smile...
[01:06] <szaloony> I want to change my screen resolution to 800x600 but it's impossible - there's no option
[01:06] <szaloony> can I change it in some file or something like that?
[01:06] <jhutchins> !fixres | szaloony
[01:06] <ubotu> szaloony: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:07] <ins-dragonclaw> szaloony: why do you want it so low?
[01:07] <ins-dragonclaw> KMenu > System Settings > Monitor & Display > Size, Orientation & Positioning
[01:07] <ins-dragonclaw> massive slider for resolution
[01:07] <szaloony> I have to
[01:07] <szaloony> I know
[01:09] <szaloony> ok, Ill check the howto
[01:09] <szaloony> thanks
[01:10] <ins-dragonclaw> !solve-all-my-problems
 Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[01:10] <ins-dragonclaw> damn :(
[01:11] <jhutchins> Zambia?  Zaire?
[01:12] <jhutchins> South Africa!   Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[01:13] <jhutchins> !adept crash fix
[01:13] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[01:13] <ins-dragonclaw> ...
[01:13] <eilker> thanx :)
[01:13] <ins-dragonclaw> jhutchins: where'd that sudden location revelation come from?
[01:13] <ins-dragonclaw> ...
[01:14] <jhutchins> ins-dragonclaw: your ISP's domain.
[01:14] <ins-dragonclaw> -someone- is poking around in WHOIS :p
[01:14] <jhutchins> You mentioned a bit back that it was after 01:00 AM.
[01:14] <ins-dragonclaw> mhmm
[01:14] <ins-dragonclaw> I also mentioned (quite a few times) that i was in South Africa
[01:14] <ins-dragonclaw> :)
[01:15] <jhutchins> I probably missed those, I went to the trouble of looking it up.
[01:15] <ins-dragonclaw> hehe
[01:15] <eilker> 02:15 here am
[01:15] <ins-dragonclaw> well, thanks for the trouble... lol
[01:15] <jhutchins> 18:15 CDt here
[01:15] <n6rej> boy teens have it hard sometimes.
[01:15] <ins-dragonclaw> n6rej: ?
[01:15] <n6rej> its a wonder I survived it
[01:15] <n6rej> lol
[01:16] <jhutchins> Wow, my GMT clock is on time, that's unusuall.
[01:16] <Jestre^> Amen
[01:16] <n6rej> I'm just remembering what it was like going through my teens now
[01:16] <ins-dragonclaw> oO
[01:17] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: has the "infighting died down there yet?
[01:17] <n6rej> SA is such a distraught nation.
[01:17] <khaije1> !bot
[01:17] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[01:17] <ins-dragonclaw> infighting?
[01:17] <ins-dragonclaw> it's a fullblown civil war
[01:17] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: hasn't that been going on for like decades now?
[01:18] <ins-dragonclaw> since 1995 or so
[01:18] <ins-dragonclaw> so yeah - +- 12 years
[01:18] <ins-dragonclaw> ever since "independence"
[01:18] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: I can't imagine living in the fear.
[01:18] <ins-dragonclaw> what a frigging joke
[01:18] <ins-dragonclaw> what fear?
[01:18] <ins-dragonclaw> we've gotten over the fear
[01:18] <Arwen> !drm is not cool
[01:18] <ins-dragonclaw> we actually laugh at the crime
[01:18] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: weird.
[01:18] <Arwen> lol...
[01:18] <ins-dragonclaw> we make fun of murderers and rapists
[01:18] <ins-dragonclaw> South Africa
[01:18] <ins-dragonclaw> the rules are different here
[01:19] <ins-dragonclaw> (i've said that before)
[01:19] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: obvisously.
[01:19] <ins-dragonclaw> :)
[01:19] <ins-dragonclaw> We also have one of the strongest Christian movements in the world - and a massive buddhist temple
[01:19] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: I understand though that your country has a strong economny for sail boat building.
[01:19] <ins-dragonclaw> our supposedly neutral parliament performs animal sacrificices
[01:19] <n6rej> ins-dragonclaw: yep I know. that part.
[01:19] <ins-dragonclaw> sacrifices*
[01:19] <n6rej> wha?
[01:19] <BluesKaj> lol
[01:19] <ins-dragonclaw> the ZCC
[01:19] <ins-dragonclaw> not kidding
[01:20] <ins-dragonclaw> Ancestral worship
[01:20] <ins-dragonclaw> rampant in the Gov't
[01:20] <n6rej> I SWEAR HE's coming sooner then we know.
[01:20] <ins-dragonclaw> nope
[01:20] <ins-dragonclaw> things aren't bad enough yet
[01:20] <khaije1> this is an example of one of the toughest things about linux, do i go with mpg321 or mpg123, both are excellent but i only need one...
[01:20] <ins-dragonclaw> let aids and the GRM have their run
[01:20] <n6rej> khaije1: lol
[01:20] <khaije1> there is not way to find out this type of info w/o testing it myself
[01:20] <BluesKaj> yeah and we'll have palm tree growing in northern ontario :)
[01:21] <Arwen> hey guys, go over to ##windows, it's hilarious
[01:21] <n6rej> grm?
[01:21] <ins-dragonclaw> gay rights movement
[01:21] <LjL> !offtopic
[01:21] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[01:21] <LjL> !o4o
[01:21] <ubotu> Some things are inappropriate for #ubuntu-offtopic. It is asked that controversial topics: war, race, religion, politics (unless related to software licencing), gender, sexuality, drugs, questionable legal activities, removing of oneself from the planet (except by space travel) are not for here, perhaps #off-topic or ##politics. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Freenode Policy) - Thanks.
[01:21] <n6rej> LjL: cc
[01:21] <ins-dragonclaw> !life
[01:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about life - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:22] <ins-dragonclaw> HAHAHA
[01:22] <LjL> ins-dragonclaw i'm serious
[01:22] <ins-dragonclaw> ok, that was random
[01:22] <ins-dragonclaw> "Sorry, I don't know anything about life"
[01:22] <ins-dragonclaw> XD
[01:22] <BluesKaj> Arwen, I was there , they're entitled to their beliefs ...no point in flaming them :)
[01:22] <n6rej> LjL: you've been patient thanks for the warning.
[01:22] <AmyRose> !political-debates
[01:22] <Arwen> BluesKaj, that guy failed at life :-\
[01:22] <ins-dragonclaw> !LjL
[01:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ljl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:23] <ins-dragonclaw> hmmmm
[01:23] <ins-dragonclaw> ;)
[01:23] <n6rej> hey guys, um bot playing is bad juju
[01:23] <AmyRose> ROFL!!!!! Typing that gave me this: <ubotu> Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[01:23] <LjL> we know
[01:23] <AmyRose> It just caught me by surprise
[01:24] <carutsu> scuse me
[01:25] <LjL> we shall try
[01:25] <carutsu> is there a way to play windows-shared songs in Amarok or Kaffeine
[01:25] <carutsu> ?
[01:25] <carutsu> LjL xD
[01:25] <Arwen> carutsu, define a "windows-shared song"
[01:25] <LjL> carutsu: "shared" you mean with the windows file&folder sharing thing (aka SMB)?
[01:25] <carutsu> a song that is stored on a windows host and is shared
[01:26] <carutsu> LjL that's it
[01:26] <LjL> right, shared *how* though
[01:26] <LjL> !samba | then
[01:26] <ubotu> then: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[01:26] <carutsu> LjL i tried to but amarok just crashes
[01:26] <Arwen> carutsu, um, yes, just open it
[01:26] <LjL> carutsu: what did you try exactly?
[01:26] <carutsu> nope, i can see it but if i play it amarok just crashes
[01:26] <carutsu> double click it
[01:27] <carutsu> if i instead copy it i can play it with no worries
[01:27] <LjL> carutsu: double click after mounting it as a samb or double click after just going to the "network" icon?
[01:27] <LjL> s/samb/samba share/
[01:27] <carutsu> just network icon
[01:27] <Arwen> LjL, use smbmount to mount the share first
[01:27] <Arwen> carutsu, *
[01:27] <LjL> carutsu: mount it as a samba share
[01:27] <carutsu> that's is
[01:27] <carutsu> ok
[01:27] <LjL> Arwen: smbmount isn't supposed to be used directly, use mount
[01:27] <jhutchins> carutsu: I store my music on a Windows server and play it with amarok.
[01:28] <aaron_> ok finally got Quake 3 running good and stable
[01:28] <LjL> specifically, mount //boxname/sharename /media/whatever -o username=whatever
[01:28] <Arwen> LjL, oh? well, it works, so :-\
[01:28] <jhutchins> carutsu: It's mostly mp3.
[01:28] <Arwen> aaron_, yay?
[01:28] <LjL> (if a username is needed)
[01:28] <carutsu> so what should i do mount or smbmount
[01:28] <aaron_> so now I got a new problem
[01:28] <Arwen> aaron_, btw, Quake 4 ftw
[01:28] <LjL> and if that gives problems, use mount -t cifs /blablah
[01:28] <aaron_> sorry
[01:28] <aaron_> its the mouse
[01:28] <aaron_> it has a long delay time
[01:28] <aaron_> and it acts wierd
[01:28] <jhutchins> carutsu: I use regular mount with smbfs and define the mountpoints and credential files in fstab.
[01:28] <LjL> carutsu: see above
[01:28] <aaron_> I like Quake III but yeah
[01:29] <carutsu> let me try
[01:29] <LjL> carutsu: what jhutchins says is certainly the way to have it conveniently mounted at every boot
[01:29] <LjL> but i think it *is* all described by !samba
[01:29] <aaron_> any mouse drivers that I need to install or something
[01:29] <BluesKaj> well, i dumped mplayer in favour of the gxine plugin ...works well on sites using windows media :)
[01:29] <jhutchins> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[01:29] <aaron_> because this mouse driver really doesnt work well at all
[01:29] <LjL> aaron_: what ubuntu version?
[01:29] <aaron_> 6.10
[01:29] <LjL> not feisty, right?
[01:30] <aaron_> its edgy
[01:30] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: You may also want to look at VLC, it handles a lot of formats and has some interesting features like streaming.
[01:30] <aaron_> because the mouse acts really wierd in quake 3
[01:30] <LjL> ok, i asked because i've had reports of mouse responsiveness problems in feisty
[01:30] <aaron_> ah
[01:30] <jhutchins> aaron_: Did you resolve an issue with gpm already?
[01:30] <aaron_> gpm?
[01:31] <jhutchins> aaron_: Console mouse daemon.
[01:31] <jhutchins> aaron_: ps ax | grep gpm
[01:31] <LjL> what issue?
[01:31] <jhutchins> I saw someone mention gpm earlier, possibly in a different channel, thoguht it might have been aaron.
[01:31] <aaron_> ok it says 4716 pts/1
[01:32] <aaron_> no wasnt me
[01:32] <aaron_> but what does that mean
[01:32] <aaron_> I just want it to work
[01:32] <aaron_> without slowdown
[01:32] <LjL> don't we all
[01:32] <jhutchins> Ah, crackhead_25 at 22:48gmt
[01:32] <aaron_> JUST WORK AHHHHH
[01:32] <aaron_> lol
[01:33] <jhutchins> aaron_: Try this: sudo /etc/init.d/gpm stop, then see if that fixes the mouse problem.
[01:33] <crackhead_25> hey hows it goin
[01:33] <crackhead_25> someone say my name?
[01:33] <aaron_> it says command not found
[01:33] <FuzzyTheBear> just a note : i never used kubuntu before , took the new 7.04 cd .. popped it in .. it booted fine , had an install button .. pressed it .. the system got installed .. i rebooted , sound , video , all hardware , network etc was working , even detected there was a windows hd and proposed to boot it in the grub list . i got only one thing to say : congratulations to all the development / testing team .. this is one hell of a
[01:33] <FuzzyTheBear>  release. thank you
[01:34] <FuzzyTheBear> this is  a fantastic release.
[01:34] <FuzzyTheBear> Good night all
[01:35] <carutsu> i tried to mount as: "sudo mount //a/pcname/ /home/user/Desktop/Shared"
[01:35] <carutsu> what did i miss?
[01:36] <LjL> carutsu: assuming the mountpoint really exists and the pc name and sharename are right... nothing
[01:36] <LjL> what's the error message though?
[01:36] <jhutchins> aaron_: Then try sudo killall gpm
[01:36] <carutsu> incorrect file system
[01:37] <carutsu> LjL: code page is missing
[01:37] <jhutchins> carutsu: sudo mount -t smbfs //server/share /wherever
[01:37] <aaron_> it says no process killed
[01:37] <prophet> im having a little issue with my LCD can someone give me a hand?
[01:37] <jhutchins> aaron_: That ps ax result was probably the grep command then, and gpm isn't running.  Sorry, nevermind, gonna have to keep looking.
[01:38] <FragUPlenty> ok
[01:38] <FragUPlenty> ok
[01:38] <FragUPlenty> thanks
[01:40] <BluesKaj> jhutchins, VLC didn't work very well previously ,it blocked the mplayer plugin ... didnt have xine plugin at the time.
[01:40] <Arwen> BluesKaj, did the VLC plugin even work for you? for me, it just always says "NO VIDEO, JOO FAILZ"
[01:41] <Kermit> anyone know how to reinstall a D-Link G650 PC card in Feisty?
[01:41] <BluesKaj> Arwen, no VLC plugin did not work
[01:41] <Arwen> yeah, same here
[01:42] <Kermit> sorry ment to say D-Link GWL-G650
[01:43] <FragUPlenty> so wait is it possible that it is the program
[01:43] <Arwen> !grip
[01:43] <ubotu> grip is a ripping player and has a minor bug which can be solved by doing this "sudo ln -s /dev/hdX /dev/cdromN" where X is your hard drive and N a number
[01:44] <carutsu> i just can't mount it, i ever tried to "mount -t smbfs //work.group/server/folder /wherever"
[01:44] <Arwen> is there a kde CD ripper?
[01:44] <FragUPlenty> ok I am installing warsow to see if it is actually the program
[01:44] <c0nv1ct> carutsu: try using IPs instead of netbios names
[01:44] <c0nv1ct> carutsu: see if it works
[01:45] <LjL> carutsu, if there's a codepage-related error, and you're not using english windows, then perhaps you just need to install some codepages-related package, though i don't know where to look about there
[01:46] <Ashfire908> hi
[01:46] <carutsu> mm, that's wierd
[01:46] <carutsu> *weird
[01:48] <DM|> I use gnome normally, can anyone help me get my icons back to a normal size , heres a screenshot of settings / problem http://img249.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotbh0.png
[01:49] <NightBird> DM|: uh... have you tried changing the size?
[01:50] <jhutchins> carutsu: Ok, did you read the !samba howto?  Can you see the share if you browse to it?
[01:50] <DM|> aye
[01:50] <DM|> its either really small, or overlaping the text
[01:50] <jhutchins> carutsu: You may have to join the windows network, you at least have to set it up to be in the same workgroup.
[01:50] <NightBird> when you've selected the Toolbar section?
[01:50] <carutsu> jhutchins yes if i open in konqueror smb://server i can browse
[01:50] <DM|> nightbird im talking about the icons in the file manager section
[01:50] <jhutchins> carutsu: You would probably need to supply either a credential file with the username and password, or supply them with the mount command or in fstab.
[01:50] <FragUPlenty> ok so the problem seems to be the mouse is synced to the framerate
[01:51] <FragUPlenty> so if the framerate goes down then the mouse stops working right
[01:51] <NightBird> DM|: hm... dunno
[01:51] <jhutchins> carutsu: Did you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently ?
[01:51] <DM|> Nightbird i dont like KDE for this reason, too many lost options
[01:51] <Arwen> wow, acidrip is sweet!
[01:51] <carutsu> jhutchins i'm on my way
[01:52] <carutsu> jhutchins i also cant acces shared printers
[01:52] <Arwen> DM|, better than GNOME, which has 0 options :-\
[01:52] <NightBird> DM|: have you tried asking in #kde?
[01:52] <jhutchins> carutsu: Ok, some printers are wierd, but you should be able to get it.  Samba's had this worked out for a long time.
[01:53] <DM|> Arwen nah, i love gnome. has the options i need and has tons of options, all in places that make sense
[01:53] <carutsu> DMJ i dont want to start a fight but is no so customizable..
[01:53] <DM|> too bad i just cant speak
[01:53] <crackhead_25> anyone have ideas about the following problem: when i restart my xserver, my mouse pointer seems to become invisible. the mouse still works, if i can guess where the pointer is, but i can't see the pointer. someone mentioned possibly a conflict with xserver and gpm (mouse drivers). if so, how do i remove or disable gpm from ever starting or fix the problem otherwise??
[01:54] <jhutchins> DM|: What happens when you check "Double Sized Pixels"?
[01:54] <DM|> carutsu i just asked a question, that no one was able to answer about KDE so...
[01:54] <DM|> jhutchins lemme take a SS
[01:55] <jhutchins> (make sure to "Apply" and refresh)
[01:55] <DM|> i did
[01:55] <DM|> jhutchins its weird http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/284/screenshot1cm8.png
[01:55] <carutsu> jhutchins somehow i hadn't smbfs!! that's weird!!
[01:55] <DM|> its like its not loading the right size icons and labeling it wrong
[01:56] <DM|> when i change themes the same thing happens
[01:56] <crackhead_25> anyone know about my mouse question??
[01:57] <DM|> whats the question
[01:57] <jhutchins> DM|:  Ok, that's about the same size as min are in relation to the text in the title bars.  Yes, I see the wierd text.
[01:57] <DM|> musta missed it sorry
[01:57] <DM|> jhutchins any suggestions ?
[01:57] <jhutchins> DM|: Try messing with the konq settings instead of system settings.
[01:58] <neoncode> Is there a Higher risk of data corruption on XFS compared to ext3?
[01:58] <jhutchins> crackhead_25: You should be able to stop gpm with sudo /etc/init.d/gpm stop or sudo killall gpm
[01:58] <carutsu> jhutchins it worked as a charm
[01:59] <carutsu> jhutchins any ideas about printer sharing?
[01:59] <jarn> Is it just me or does he QT logo look a lot like the Soviet Hammer and Sickle?
[02:00] <crackhead_25> ..but i think gpm only runs when i switch between xserver sessions or something? what if gpm doesnt work in fixing the problem? any ideas what may be causing it??
[02:00] <carutsu> jhutchins although i get weird icons for the  characters, o well i can live with that
[02:01] <jhutchins> crackhead_25: Nope.
[02:01] <prophet> there is no   menu bars in Konqueror
[02:01] <prophet> how do you get those back?
[02:01] <jhutchins> carutsu: That woudl be your character set, you can actually select that in the mount command, but I don't know much about it.
[02:02] <Star> someone gril to  talk with me?
[02:02] <carutsu> jhutchins i'll look for it, thank you
[02:02] <DM|> jhutchins cant find anything
[02:02] <jhutchins> Ooh, grill, got to check the barbecue!
[02:04] <DM|> jhutchins HAHA found it !
[02:04] <DM|> view>iconsize>large, was set to tiny
[02:08] <lorderunion> hi. i'm having trouble connecting my nomad jukebox3 to amarok. it, however, runs perfectly (out of the box) with gnomad2
[02:10] <easytiger> lorderunion: using latest amarok?
[02:10] <lorderunion> yes.
[02:10] <lorderunion> and 6.10 kubuntu
[02:11] <easytiger> never used a nomad so i cant really suggest much
[02:11] <eilker> !cloak
[02:11] <ubotu> Tor & other common anonymizing proxies get abused to attack & spam Ubuntu channels, so they're blocked. Get a cloak from Freenode instead, and stop wasting your time with Tor: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[02:12] <greg> hi
[02:12] <lorderunion> well. i plugged in a usb thumb drive a few hours ago and amarok prompted me with a dialog box asking if it was a media device. i plugged in the nomad in, and i didnt get any dialog.
[02:12] <greg> I did that kinda system update thing on kubuntu 6.10, and the box will no longer reboot.  I get kubuntu screen, then blackness.
[02:14] <Compleja> !es
[02:14] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[02:14] <Compleja> thnks
[02:16] <lorderunion> ah heh. i went to configure amarok, and add media devices
[02:16] <lorderunion> that worked.
[02:16] <lorderunion> weird.
[02:16] <lorderunion> thanks for the help anyway easytiger
[02:17] <easytiger> lol.
[02:19] <n6rej> brb gonna try to reboot!
[02:19] <soulrider> good luck
[02:19] <n6rej> thanks
[02:19] <wendy> i need help
[02:22] <soulrider> just ask wendy
[02:22] <soulrider> cool, it worked :)
[02:22] <N6REJ> yeah, even auto registered my nic!
[02:23] <wendy> i need install msn in kubuntu.you know?
[02:23] <soulrider> i just convinces someone to try kubuntu out :P
[02:23] <soulrider> wendy: you cant ahve msn, but you can have some programs to connect to msn
[02:23] <soulrider> try kopete, you can talk to your msn contatcs
[02:23] <N6REJ> or gaim
[02:23] <soulrider> wendy: theres also a programt hat looks just like MSN called aMSN
[02:23] <N6REJ> gaim will let you talk to all of them
[02:23] <carutsu> Kopete, Gaim, aMSN
[02:24] <N6REJ> anyone know amarok well?
[02:24] <wendy> ok thanks
[02:24] <carutsu> or even Monkey MSN
[02:24] <carutsu> is integrated with GTk
[02:24] <Daisuke_Ido> N6REJ: what do you want to know about it?
[02:25] <soulrider> wendy: are you familiar with installing programs on ubuntu?
[02:25] <Daisuke_Ido> other than it's the app that made me dump windows for good :)
[02:25] <soulrider> theres a small guide you can read that will teach you lots!
[02:25] <N6REJ> I can't get it to detect my dvd drive.  I tried using kdemedia creator to rip but if it went any slower it would be next mellinia before it was done!
[02:25] <N6REJ> 3 hours to do 15 songs
[02:25] <Daisuke_Ido> hmm
[02:25] <Daisuke_Ido> i've never done cd ripping with amarok :(
[02:25] <N6REJ> I can't even play cd's with amarok
[02:26] <BluesKaj> aMSN works well...I'm not big on IM but I have used it recently without any problems
[02:26] <N6REJ> no media devices found
[02:27] <N6REJ> its plays created mp3's nicely
[02:29] <N6REJ> ok, now this is weird... it found the cd and started to play but then stopped
[02:30] <N6REJ> I've lost my sound apparently
[02:31] <wendy> i need download music in kubuntu.how?
[02:32] <N6REJ> wendy: from where?
[02:32] <soulrider> wendy: try frostwire
[02:32] <wendy> kubuntu system
[02:32] <BluesKaj> wendy, ktorrent
[02:33] <soulrider> wendy: sos de uruguay? =/
[02:33] <N6REJ> ok, something is totally haywire, sound is gone
[02:33] <wendy> no de mexico
[02:33] <soulrider> !es | wendy
[02:33] <ubotu> wendy: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[02:34] <wendy> gracias(thanks)
[02:34] <N6REJ> wendy: tell me sometimes how they make those cool balloons
[02:35] <soulrider> N6REJ: i don think wendyis too fluent in english =/
[02:35] <N6REJ> si habla de espanol mui poquito
[02:35] <N6REJ> and I bet I said that poorly
[02:35] <soulrider> uhm, yeah :P
[02:35] <N6REJ> heheeh
[02:35] <N6REJ> I can say it better then I can type it.
[02:36] <N6REJ> in little tijuana they make this weird baloons that are completely an orb with a open center.  No visible means of connectivity
[02:37] <N6REJ> I saw them when we had "mui qualante chocalte'" and I KNOW I spelled that wrong.
[02:37] <N6REJ> in a "dennys"
[02:38] <Betzefer> any 1 needs help ?
[02:38] <N6REJ> remember when we were talking about differences, hot chocalate ain't hot chocolate LOL
[02:38] <N6REJ> hey betz
[02:38] <N6REJ> you bored
[02:39] <N6REJ> what controls the sound in kde?
[02:39] <N6REJ> alsa?
[02:40] <FragUPlenty> still frustrated that I cant get the mouse problem figured out
[02:40] <FragUPlenty> has anyone else had this problem
[02:40] <FragUPlenty> where like the mouse syncs to the framerate
[02:40] <FragUPlenty> and the mouse undergows like massive slowdown
[02:41] <N6REJ> oh I read about that.
[02:41] <philfo> new to ubuntu and having a few issues I'd like some advice with
[02:41] <N6REJ> go read launchpad frag
[02:41] <FragUPlenty> its kinda wierd but I would really like to figure it out so that I can use this pc for lan partys
[02:41] <Betzefer> N6REJ : do sudo alsamixer in terminal
[02:41] <N6REJ> I'm sure I saw a blurb about that.
[02:41] <FragUPlenty> what do you mean launchpad
[02:42] <N6REJ> !launchpad | FragUPlenty
[02:42] <ubotu> FragUPlenty: launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's Bounty and Bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[02:42] <Betzefer> philfo : just ask man ull get an answer
[02:42] <N6REJ> Betzefer: now what?
[02:42] <Betzefer> gave the pass ?
[02:42] <N6REJ> yep
[02:42] <N6REJ> sound has worked, it just suddently stopped
[02:42] <Betzefer> ok
[02:43] <Betzefer> you got a cool window with
[02:43] <philfo> thanks. so I am a recent convert from win xp and want to run GIMPshop
[02:43] <Betzefer> bars
[02:43] <N6REJ> yep
[02:43] <BluesKaj> Mplayer still won't launch ...I've tried following the directions setting -vo+X11 to the config file etc etc ...nothing works  :(
[02:43] <FragUPlenty> ok I got it and bookmarked it is the solution to my mouse problem here
[02:43] <Betzefer> start playing with it with coursers
[02:43] <N6REJ> I don't know for sure frag, just seems I remember reading about it.
[02:43] <BluesKaj> Mplayer launches but won't play
[02:43] <N6REJ> sound can be soooo touchy
[02:43] <Betzefer> ya
[02:44] <Betzefer> youre right
[02:44] <N6REJ> amarok is what tweaked it.
[02:44] <Betzefer> ya
[02:44] <Betzefer> have u tried beep media ?
[02:44] <Betzefer> its really cool
[02:44] <Betzefer> and fun
[02:44] <N6REJ> whats interesting is I was ripping with kdecreator and it was goig slower then heck and so I stopped it and now no sound.
[02:44] <Betzefer> its just like winamp
[02:44] <N6REJ> cool
[02:45] <philfo> so, in a nutshell, how can I manually get the program to run?
[02:45] <FragUPlenty> ok thanks
[02:45] <Betzefer> try it out
[02:45] <BluesKaj> sometimes it's so frustrating ,it makes me wanna take a break and run windows for a while :)
[02:45] <N6REJ> philfo: like what?
[02:45] <Betzefer> which ?
[02:45] <philfo> gimpshop
[02:45] <Betzefer> lol
[02:45] <Betzefer> dont give up
[02:45] <N6REJ> philfo: have you installed it?
[02:45] <Betzefer> have u read the readme doc ?
[02:45] <N6REJ> Betzefer: nah
[02:45] <BluesKaj> well, no one seems to know any fixes
[02:45] <philfo> is the problem that gimpshop is slightly older than gimp?
[02:45] <philfo> yup
[02:46] <N6REJ> philfo: does it have a gui?
[02:46] <BluesKaj> read so many , I'm sick of reading about it
[02:46] <N6REJ> lol hear ya BluesKaj
[02:46] <Betzefer> N6REJ : which irc prog do u use ?
[02:46] <philfo> i'm new to the LINUX OS aside from what I used in the navy years ago
[02:46] <N6REJ> Konversation
[02:46] <Betzefer> u to ?
[02:46] <Betzefer> i hate it !
[02:46] <Betzefer> lol
[02:46] <BluesKaj> hehe
[02:46] <philfo> gimpshop a gui?
[02:46] <BluesKaj> Kvirc!
[02:47] <N6REJ> kvirc?
[02:47] <N6REJ> whats so special about it?
[02:47] <BluesKaj> supposed to be good
[02:47] <philfo> yeah, but I can't find a file to execute it.
[02:47] <FragUPlenty> so the mouse setting are in xorg.conf
[02:47] <BluesKaj> has serverlists
[02:47] <FragUPlenty> ok so I need to edit something in that right
[02:47] <N6REJ> philfo: sudo updatedb | locate gimpshop
[02:47] <philfo> thanks.
[02:47] <BluesKaj> brb , gonna try kvirc
[02:47] <N6REJ> yw
[02:48] <Betzefer> is it any good ?
[02:48] <N6REJ> beats me.
[02:48] <N6REJ> Betzefer: so what do I do with this gtk app?
[02:48] <intelikey> N6REJ alternately and much faster    dpkg -L gimpshop | grep bin/
[02:49] <N6REJ> AH!
[02:49] <N6REJ> dpkg locate gimpshop binary
[02:49] <N6REJ> I'll have to try to remember that.
[02:49] <FragUPlenty> ok under protocol it says explorer ps/2
[02:49] <FragUPlenty> so should I change that to a better protocol
[02:49] <FragUPlenty> or keep that
[02:49] <intelikey> dpkg -L package_name  lists all the files installed from package_name
[02:50] <philfo> and what after that?
[02:50] <N6REJ> did you find it?
[02:51] <N6REJ> the bin that is?
[02:51] <philfo> "dpkg -L gimpshop | grep bin/"  worked to find the files
[02:51] <philfo> yes
[02:51] <N6REJ> run the bin
[02:51] <FragUPlenty> because it is actually a usb mouse
[02:51] <FragUPlenty> after that it says "device" "/dev/input/mice"
[02:51] <intelikey> files & dirs    so  dpkg -L bash | grep .gz   is an example test. to find gipped docs that came with bash
[02:52] <N6REJ> intelikey: how can I restart sound?
[02:52] <philfo> what is that command?
[02:52] <intelikey> locate also works.  as does  'find'.
[02:52] <philfo> run /usr/local/bin/gimp-2.2   ??
[02:52] <intelikey> N6REJ give me just a second on that.
[02:52] <N6REJ> k
[02:53] <Betzefer> what does this prog do ?
[02:53] <daphrak07> Is anyone useing 7.04 and is Beryl easy to setup in it?
[02:54] <N6REJ> !beryl
[02:54] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[02:54] <Betzefer> philfo
[02:54] <Betzefer> what does this prog do ?
[02:54] <daphrak07> join #ubuntu-effects
[02:54] <philfo> sorry there.  it's an image manipulation program.  like photoshop
[02:55] <Betzefer> ohhhhh
[02:55] <Betzefer> cool
[02:55] <philfo> GIMP is the original version.
[02:55] <Betzefer> why did u switch 2 linux
[02:55] <philfo> GIMPshop is the hacked version that mirrors the GUI of photoshop
[02:55] <N6REJ> gimpshop mirrors photoshop? *PERK*
[02:56] <philfo> because I was sick of windows.  it's been a long uninstall/reinstall the OS 8 months
[02:56] <intelikey> N6REJ if you mean arts.  it's in kmenu > system settings > sound     if you mean a total reset of alsa   >>>>  kill $(lsof -t /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*) && sudo modprobe -r $(lsmod|grep ^snd|awk '{print $1}') && sudo rm -f /var/lib/alsa/asound.state && sync && reboot -f
[02:56] <philfo> no, it doesn't mirror ps, but it's a lot closer to what I'm used to
[02:56] <N6REJ> philfo: stick around want to talk to you about that
[02:57] <N6REJ> intelikey: test sound failed.
[02:57] <N6REJ> so I'll have to kill and restart
[02:57] <philfo> sure
[02:57] <intelikey> restart soubd server ?
[02:57] <SubOne> It seems the easiest way for me to get host names working is to set both my computers to static IP and edit the hosts file for each. My question is: If I use a static IP on here will it stay static for all access points or will it allow me to configure DHCP on the WAP at work?
[02:58] <intelikey> N6REJ there is a fairly desent wiki
[02:58] <intelikey> !sound
[02:58] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[02:58] <N6REJ> let me reboot cause it was working
[02:58] <N6REJ> brb
[02:59] <Betzefer> say
[02:59] <Betzefer> guys
[02:59] <FragUPlenty> so can some tell me if I can run all those cool opengl stuff on my desktop
[02:59] <Betzefer> how kde4 ?
[02:59] <intelikey> "<N6REJ> let me reboot cause it was working" <<< old bad habits die hard.
[03:00] <FragUPlenty> Ive got a 1ghz p3, 512mb RAM, and radeon 9250
[03:00] <_Iwonder_> why people reboot linux?
[03:00] <leafw> the ubuntu launchpad website does NOT accept any more bugs
[03:00] <Betzefer> beacsue system falls
[03:00] <leafw> is that perfect, or the servers are screwed?
[03:01] <N6REJ> ok, that fixed it.
[03:01] <intelikey> Betzefer  extreemly few times have i seen that
[03:01] <N6REJ> wierd
[03:01] <_Iwonder_> system fails or app on system fails?
[03:01] <_Iwonder_> seldom have seen linux come to a point of needing reboot
[03:02] <N6REJ> I know
[03:02] <N6REJ> very strange
[03:02] <_Iwonder_> beauty of modular os
[03:02] <intelikey> _Iwonder_  yes sir yes sir three bags full
[03:02] <_Iwonder_> sorry
[03:02] <philfo> N6REJ, what was it you wanted to say about GIMP and PS?
[03:02] <N6REJ> ok.. sound does play.. now to get amarok to play it!
[03:03] <N6REJ> oh, the ONLY thing holding me to  windblows is that I'm VERY used to ps.  I don't know how I can live without it.  I'm doing swish and ps alot right now.
[03:03] <N6REJ> but i'd really like to.
[03:03] <philfo> gotcha.
[03:04] <N6REJ> I'd appreciate your comments.
[03:04] <enotee> do i have to run server edition run apache?
[03:04] <N6REJ> I'm not a ps expert
[03:04] <N6REJ> enotee: no
[03:04] <philfo> Windows MADE me switch because I've had too many problems with it in combination with Symantec software
[03:04] <N6REJ> enotee: why do you need apache>?
[03:04] <enotee> do i have to run server edition run mythtv
[03:04] <N6REJ> philfo: I got hijacked pretty bad the other day, is why I'm switching.
[03:05] <N6REJ> don't know about that one but I doubt it.
[03:05] <philfo> security issues?  me too.  I actually got this loaded today.
[03:05] <intelikey> enotee short answer   no
[03:05] <enotee> try setting up a personal web server
[03:05] <N6REJ> philfo: yeah, somehow they bypassed my router and got straight to my pc which was nat'd.
[03:06] <N6REJ> light-httpd?
[03:06] <philfo> ouch.
[03:06] <philfo> I'm also sick of paying for software that doesn't really help out too much (symantec)
[03:06] <N6REJ> lost 10yrs of work and all my .psds
[03:06] <philfo> oh goodness.
[03:07] <philfo> have you tried gimpshop?
[03:07] <Betzefer> ya youre right
[03:07] <N6REJ> no not yet
[03:07] <philfo> the drop-down menus are MUCH better than the gimp
[03:07] <N6REJ> sorry, was holding the plate with one hand, using the fork with the other and trying to type too!
[03:08] <N6REJ> is it as powerful as gimp?  I've only looked at gimp once.
[03:08] <philfo> gimpshop:    http://plasticbugs.com/?page_id=294
[03:08] <philfo> it is gimp, but has been modified for those of us used to using the functions and GUI of PS
[03:08] <N6REJ> OIC
[03:09] <N6REJ> what would I be giving up using that vs ps?
[03:09] <philfo> i started using it in windows last week as I was compiling together everything for my move
[03:09] <philfo> 16bit
[03:09] <N6REJ> never use 16bit LOL
[03:09] <N6REJ> least not knowingly
[03:09] <N6REJ> filters?
[03:09] <philfo> yeah, I DID & now I'm paying for it
[03:09] <philfo> filters are the same.
[03:09] <N6REJ> your kidding!
[03:10] <philfo> I mean almost everything is identical.
[03:10] <N6REJ> ps filters work?
[03:10] <philfo> they are gimp filters that have been hacked to work just like the ps filters
[03:10] <N6REJ> image ready?
[03:10] <philfo> it's not the whole suite.
[03:11] <N6REJ> DARN!
[03:11] <intelikey> philfo i know no one else is active in here atm.  but should that change you might want to move your disscussion to #kubuntu-offtopic  or pm    k
[03:11] <N6REJ> I wish adobe would hurryup
[03:11] <N6REJ> intelikey: cc
[03:11] <philfo> ok.  no problem intelikey
[03:11] <N6REJ> if we could get ps to K we'd rule the planet
[03:11] <airmon> One other lurker - having sound problems with Amarok and Kaffein
[03:11] <philfo> exactly
[03:12] <N6REJ> there'd be two os's OSX and K and that would be it :P
[03:12] <philfo> he he he
[03:12] <philfo> ok, here's my problem, I can't run gimpshop yet.
[03:12] <N6REJ> still
[03:12] <N6REJ> ok, let me see what I can figure out.
[03:13] <N6REJ> hangon one
[03:13] <philfo> thanks
[03:13] <N6REJ> np, searching adept right now
[03:13] <philfo> the bin command just brings me to the standard gimp installation
[03:13] <intelikey> airmon  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Amarok  might have a lead on your issue   i don't know for sure.
[03:13] <N6REJ> weird.
[03:14] <N6REJ> intelikey: amarok is what killed my sound
[03:14] <hijjt> I have been working at getting a feisty upgrade going for about 2 days and I am having trouble getting x to start... I have a radeon mobility 9600 and it is a fresh install of feisty at this point
[03:14] <airmon> Thanks for the link. I'll check it out. I've got system sounds, just can't play mp3's.
[03:14] <philfo> here's my thought: GIMP is 2.2.13 and gimpshop is 2.2.11
[03:14] <intelikey> N6REJ  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Amarok  might have a lead on your issue   i don't know for sure.
[03:14] <philfo> could the system just be defaulting to the newest version?
[03:14] <intelikey> !mp3 | airmon
[03:14] <ubotu> airmon: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:16] <N6REJ> I met Ray Boltz and this song brought me to my knees
[03:16] <airmon> yeah, I can check if my oogs work, but all my podcasts come down in .mp3.
[03:16] <intelikey> philfo could be an "alternatives" thang.   man update-alternatives for details
[03:16] <philfo> ??
 here's my thought: GIMP is 2.2.13 and gimpshop is 2.2.11 <<<  that ^
[03:17] <philfo> got it.
[03:17] <airmon> I've also  tried songbird, but that doesn't play either.
[03:17] <airmon> help.ubuntu.com isn't responding for me.
[03:18] <hijjt> airmon: are you using feisty?
[03:18] <airmon> yes.
[03:18] <LeeJunFan> airmon: launchpad is down too.
[03:18] <hijjt> airmon, did you try libxine1-plugins
[03:18] <philfo> intelikely: now I have started the man update-alternatives script, what next?
[03:18] <airmon> I've had the same problem with edgy.
[03:19] <hijjt> airmon, I had that problem earlier today, make sure you enable universe and multiverse and reinstall libxine and it's plugins and you should be able to get it
[03:20] <intelikey> "man update-alternatives"     not a script.     man man   in a konsole
[03:20] <airmon> OK, let me try that.   I have been using it today an someone's recommendation...I think I want to go back to chat - seems like a cleaner interface to me =)
[03:24] <BluesKaj> smilies are fat ugly girls who need attn :)
[03:25] <martalli> I like my smilies in ASCII
[03:25] <BluesKaj> hehe
[03:25] <philfo> ok, I'm getting elbows deep into this, back in a while.
[03:25] <jarn> I'm trying to resize my external harddrive (which is formatted as ntfs) but gparted will only let me resize it to one size.
[03:25] <martalli> woops - above I meant that I want to go back to xchat
[03:26] <BluesKaj> i just wish some one would write a serverlist option for konversation
[03:26] <makuseru> is there anything i need to install for MIDI support?
[03:26] <N6REJ> lol
[03:27] <martalli> intelikey - it is like the wisdom of a thousand monkeys (at least on my part =)
[03:27] <BluesKaj> with a serverlist option download even , then Konverstaion would be complete IMO
[03:27] <intelikey> makuseru  kmid  ?
[03:27] <intelikey> playmidi - MIDI player
[03:27] <intelikey> pmidi - A command line midi player for ALSA
[03:28] <intelikey> how do you want it makuseru ?
[03:28] <BluesKaj> xchat's graphics are terrible on my pc
[03:28] <BluesKaj> monitor
[03:28] <makuseru> im trying to get KGuitar to work, and it needs midi support
[03:28] <N6REJ> stuipd kon dissapeared LOL
[03:28] <intelikey> le' me look...
[03:28] <Armagguedes> can i make a regular install with the alternate cd?
[03:29] <makuseru> alright, thanks intelikey
[03:29] <martalli> lol - did my last message actually say "action"?
[03:29] <N6REJ> philfo: do you know about cpan?
[03:30] <philfo> nope
[03:30] <MuJ> Armagguedes: yes
[03:30] <N6REJ> ok, have you installed "build-essential"
[03:30] <philfo> just started with cpan
[03:30] <N6REJ> k
[03:30] <N6REJ> the first like 30 questions just let it do what it needs
[03:30] <Armagguedes> ok tks
[03:30] <philfo> going through the list of prereqs
[03:30] <intelikey> makuseru looks to me like just having both kguitar and kmid  should enable that...
[03:31] <MuJ> Armagguedes: it just has the old text based installer ;)
[03:31] <N6REJ> yeah, I installed build-essential first just to cover the basics.
[03:31] <airmon> hijjt - Thanks lots. Amarok and kaffeine now work. songbird still no...
[03:33] <intelikey> makuseru if that's not working for you,  run  kguitar  in a konsole and test then it should burp out error messages that we can work with.
[03:33] <N6REJ> philfo: we got a problem.  atk is only version 1.0 in repos
[03:34] <makuseru> intelikey: SE3: Alsa scheduler error. Couldn't open sequencer
[03:34] <throllz> anyone know what's a good format to keep a library off DVD on the PC? I don't think AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS make a lotta sense
[03:34] <intelikey> makuseru ok... give me a sec.
[03:35] <philfo> what was that N6REJ?
[03:36] <BluesKaj> throllz how about .ISO
[03:36] <philfo> I have a problem with the glib, there's a file missing on the server
[03:36] <throllz> BluesKaj: are you for real? how on earth to i play that?
[03:36] <N6REJ> atk is supposed to be greater then 1.0.1 but we have 1.0
[03:36] <hijjt> airmon, songbird uses something different
[03:36] <throllz> *do
[03:36] <N6REJ> fyi xml::parser is a package
[03:36] <hijjt> airmon, it may use gstreamer
[03:37] <N6REJ> philfo: sudo apt-get install libxml-parser-perl
[03:37] <N6REJ> :D
[03:37] <SubOne> Does anyone know how I can setup my wireless to connect to a specific SSID WAP with a static IP and all others with DHCP?
[03:37] <hijjt> airmon, although i haven't used anything but amarok for ages
[03:37] <airmon> I think you're right, as I read through the docs...
[03:37] <throllz> BluesKaj:  I though it would have to be something like mpeg, wma, avi or something like that
[03:37] <BluesKaj> throllz, I thought you meant store for burning
[03:38] <makuseru> intelikey: alright
[03:38] <intelikey> muse - Qt-based midi/audio sequencer
[03:38] <throllz> BluesKaj: whatever ir the best
[03:38] <N6REJ> phil do yo uhave multiverse active?
[03:38] <N6REJ> glib is there.
[03:38] <intelikey> patchage - modular patch bay for Jack audio and Alsa Midi
[03:38] <BluesKaj> throllz, use tovid to rip to dvd mpg
[03:38] <throllz> BluesKaj: I mean DVD aren't forever
[03:38] <yurimxpxman> I read that konqueror can be setup so it displays the contents of CDs as audio files instead of tracks so you can copy and paste to rip them. Do any of you know how to do that?
[03:38] <throllz> BluesKaj: digital storege is forever
[03:39] <philfo> n6rej: multiverse active, no
[03:39] <martalli> SubOne: I think that KNetworkmanager will do that for you - you can create separate entries for each SSID
[03:39] <N6REJ> philfo: but its old too :(
[03:39] <N6REJ> philfo: activate it
[03:39] <N6REJ> both in source and backports
[03:39] <N6REJ> 4 places
[03:39] <BluesKaj> yeah, or you could use acidrip
[03:39] <jarn> I'm trying to resize my external harddrive (which is formatted as ntfs) but gparted will only let me resize it to one size, the amount of space I have taken up.
[03:39] <SubOne> martalli: ok thank you I don't have access to the other WAP right now so i couldnt test it
[03:40] <martalli> SubOne: In my case, I have been using mepis 6.5 and kubuntu 7.04
[03:40] <airmon> I'll work with Amarok for now, and fiddle with songbird later. I can play my music, that's the big thing I was trying to solve.
[03:40] <airmon> Thanks.
[03:40] <throllz> o_O 21:41 < BluesKaj> throllz, use tovid to rip to dvd mpg
[03:40] <martalli> SubOne: If you are using edgy or easrlier, I am not sure it works the same (edgy didn't work with my laptop's wireless)
[03:40] <throllz> 21:41 < BluesKaj> throllz, use tovid to rip to dvd mpg
[03:40] <throllz> 21:41 < BluesKaj> throllz, use tovid to rip to dvd mpg
[03:40] <throllz> 21:41 < BluesKaj> throllz, use tovid to rip to dvd mpg
[03:41] <philfo> would that go: sudo apt-get install multiverse active  ??
[03:41] <throllz> BluesKaj: TOVID is the program?
[03:41] <martalli> throllz: What's the difference between tovid and dvd::rip or acidrip?
[03:41] <SubOne> This one might be a question better suited for the firefox channel, but: Do you know how to get all the contents of the address bar and search bar to auto highlight when I click it (or tab).
[03:41] <martalli> SubOne: type ctrl-k
[03:41] <N6REJ> philfo: no, sudo nano -w /etc/apt/sources/sources.list and then add multiverse where you see "universe" at the end.
[03:41] <martalli> I wish there was a key code for that in konq
[03:41] <throllz> martalli: no clue, this is my first time. Trying to make sense of this. Which one got a hot GUI?
[03:42] <N6REJ> philfo: also make sure they are not # out.
[03:42] <BluesKaj> throllz , yes TOVID it is the program
[03:42] <SubOne> martalli: Can I get it to do that on click somehow because on windows if you click the bar it hilites everything
[03:42] <philfo> yikes, i'm behind
[03:42] <throllz> let me chck it ouy
[03:42] <BluesKaj> !tovid | throllz
[03:42] <martalli> ctrl-k will highlight the whole search bar
[03:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tovid - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:42] <SubOne> nvm, #firefox gave me the answer ty
[03:43] <martalli> Tovid: http://tovid.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
[03:43] <BluesKaj> throllz , try the #tovid chat
[03:43] <throllz> BluesKaj: thanks a lot :-)
[03:43] <philfo> command not found
[03:44] <Carutsu> scuse me some time ago you told me how to mount a smb shared partition but i cannot write to i\t
[03:44] <Carutsu> how can i write to ir?
[03:44] <Carutsu> jhutchins can you tell me?
[03:44] <philfo> nevermind, my bad
[03:45] <Carutsu> anyone?
[03:45] <andrew__> Does anyone know of a good dvd burning program for files?
[03:45] <Carutsu> k3b?
[03:45] <Carutsu> !k3b
[03:45] <ubotu> k3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto
[03:45] <andrew__> graphical will be nice
[03:45] <andrew__> thank you
[03:45] <martalli> Carutsu: That can't possibly be right - SMB partitions should be writeable (if the server allows it)
[03:45] <N6REJ> philfo: hang on, there's a bunch of changes.. update your system, then I'll get back to you.
[03:45] <Carutsu> no problem
[03:45] <Carutsu> martalli i mounted it...
[03:45] <philfo> update my system?
[03:46] <N6REJ> philfo: you make those changes?
[03:46] <SubOne> Where can I find the global key mappings, I forgot where i went and cant find them :p
[03:46] <martalli> maybe...you don't have write priviledges on the server
[03:46] <philfo> I haven't changed anything yet.
[03:46] <philfo> what is it I'm changing?
[03:46] <N6REJ> change the sources lists.
[03:46] <N6REJ> so that multiverse is in there.
[03:47] <N6REJ> then run sudo apt-get update | apt-get upgrade | apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:47] <N6REJ> that will get you current
[03:47] <philfo> wow.
[03:47] <N6REJ> philfo: thats one long command
[03:47] <N6REJ> just c/p
[03:48] <intelikey> N6REJ that wont do much
[03:48] <martalli> Are you sure that the '|' shouldnb't be '&&'?
[03:48] <N6REJ> intelikey: ?
[03:48] <N6REJ> &&?
[03:48] <intelikey> N6REJ the sudo is only affecting the first command...
[03:48] <Carutsu> how do i gain su privilages without restarting konqueror?
[03:48] <the-erm> Anyone here have any experience mounting a SCSI drive?  I looked at the /etc/fstab and there is a UUID.  I was wondering how/where you get the uuid.   Or can you just make one up?
[03:48] <N6REJ> oh DUH!
[03:48] <N6REJ> my bad
[03:48] <martalli> I thnk "sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get"
[03:49] <philfo> konsole is at the /etc/apt/sources/sources.list  now.
[03:49] <Carutsu> how do i gain su privilages without restarting konqueror?
[03:49] <martalli> Wouldn't "sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" be enough?
[03:49] <intelikey> konqueror as root.... tisk tisk...
[03:49] <N6REJ> ok, add the "multiverse" to the end of each line that ends in universe and be sure that the beginning of those lines do not have # in front of them.
[03:49] <philfo> empty looking konsole with some commands at the bottom.
[03:50] <philfo> there are no lines is the problem.
[03:50] <N6REJ> martalli: I honestly don't know
[03:50] <Carutsu> intelikey i think i had readed sp,ething about it
[03:50] <N6REJ> woooh hang on phil
[03:50] <philfo> no worries, thanks for your patience
[03:50] <philfo> with me
[03:50] <intelikey> martalli again like N6REJ your string will only work up to &&   the sudo will drop out and the dist-upgrade can't run as user
[03:50] <N6REJ> exit
[03:50] <N6REJ> my bad
[03:50] <philfo> done.
[03:50] <N6REJ> sudo nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:50] <philfo> konsole is closed.
[03:51] <N6REJ> you went too far LOL
[03:51] <philfo> uh oh
[03:51] <N6REJ> its ok
[03:51] <N6REJ> don't worry this is *nix not windblows
[03:51] <philfo> this is what I get for not knowing any language.
[03:51] <philfo> right
[03:51] <makuseru> Intelikey: any info on what i can do?
[03:51] <N6REJ> just don't type sudo rm -rf /etc and your good to go!
[03:52] <makuseru> Intelikey: oh i didnt see where you said what to download
[03:52] <intelikey> makuseru googling was unproductive on your particular issue.   still looking.
[03:52] <martalli> One rule of thumb,: DON'T "sudo rm..."   I forgot I was in /etc/ one time and meant to delete something in /home/user and said rm -rf ./
[03:54] <N6REJ> *nix don't reboot well without /etc :P
[03:54] <Carutsu> just for the record i had to open the SMB mounted directory as root and then i was able to modify its content
[03:54] <intelikey> N6REJ konsole    echo "`help push` `help pop`" | less        why miss them
[03:54] <martalli> Carutsu: Did you mount it as root locally, or by using the root account of the server?
[03:54] <Carutsu> locally as root
[03:54] <thumper> I installed beryl on kubuntu feisty, and now I have borderless windows, and no title bars
[03:55] <Carutsu> martialli its a windows system btw
[03:55] <thumper> what am I missing?
[03:55] <martalli> Hmm...I would really like to leanr more about running a smb server for my office
[03:55] <Carutsu> thumper that happened to me once it had crashed, restart it
[03:55] <N6REJ> intelikey: no, push was a command that would store your wd and then no matter where you went when you were ready to get back to it you simply typed "pop" and poof you were back
[03:55] <martalli> thumper: one sec and I will tell you what to do - are you using nvidia?  Same thing happened to me
[03:56] <thumper> martalli: yes
[03:56] <thumper> I also installed beryl-kubuntu and aquamarine
[03:56] <martalli> thumper: You need to type this into konsole: "sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals --composite"
[03:56] <thumper> on top of the basic beryl
[03:57] <thumper> and restart X I guess
[03:57] <martalli> thumper: Comes from https://wiki.kubuntu.org/BerylOnFeisty?highlight=%28beryl%29
[03:57] <makuseru> intelikey: thanks alot
[03:57] <Camaxtli> ctrl+alt+backspace for x-restart iirc
[03:58] <martalli> thumper: Yes, maybe just restart the computer, since nvidia is a kernel driver....try ctrl-alt-backspace first if you want
[03:58] <Camaxtli> Martalli: Is the driver a module? If so it might be easier to simply rmmod and modprobe it
[03:59] <Camaxtli> And then restart the x server
[03:59] <martalli> Camaxtli: thumper: Could you try that thumper? I don't know if it would work and I'm curious
[03:59] <thumper> just restarting X make the title bars appear
[04:00] <martalli> Im just a lazy windows refugee, I probably retsart the computer more often than necessary
[04:00] <martalli> thumper: cool
[04:00] <Camaxtli> martalli: If it's a module it should work, it's how I got my wireless working without restarts ;)
[04:00] <thumper> the beryl cube doesn't work very well with the kicker screen selector
[04:00] <Camaxtli> Well, unless it's compiled into the kernel, but that's a different story
[04:01] <airmon> Thanks, I'm outta here.
[04:01] <philfo> ok, starting over...
[04:01] <thumper> thanks
[04:01] <thumper> outa here
[04:01] <Roey> hi all
[04:01] <Roey> Is there an Ubuntu compatability matrix for wifi usb dongles??  thanks
[04:02] <Camaxtli> ndiswrapper?
[04:02] <Camaxtli> If it doesn't work out of the box
[04:03] <Camaxtli> Roey: Read the documentation on WiFi, you'll probably need ndiswrapper or something like that
[04:03] <Roey> eeerg.
[04:03] <Roey> arg.
[04:03] <Roey> I thought this Ubuntu is supposed to Just Work.
[04:03] <Roey> ndiswrapper, eh?
[04:03] <Camaxtli> Wireless is a problem.
[04:03] <Roey> As if I have the Windows drivers even.
[04:03] <martalli> Camaxtli: What are you using?
[04:03] <Camaxtli> Either it works or you have to do a few things to make it work
[04:03] <Roey> Camaxtli:  ok.
[04:04] <martalli> Camaxtli: woops - sorry
[04:04] <Roey> thanks anyway
[04:04] <andrew__> Hi again, does anyone know of a good program for handling RAR files? ARC would not handle it...
[04:04] <Camaxtli> martalli: This laptop is running kubuntu feisty
[04:04] <martalli> Roey: What kind of wireless (or laptop) do you have?
[04:04] <Roey> martalli:  I had this WPG111 dongle from Linksys.
[04:04] <Roey> I had read that it did work 'out of the box' in Kubuntu (Edgy)
[04:05] <Camaxtli> Odd, then it should simply work :/
[04:05] <BluesKaj> andrew , unrar
[04:05] <andrew__> thank you ;)
[04:05] <Roey> i didn't have time to really sit down and do it--I had to catch a flight
[04:05] <Roey> now I'm back though :) and I can afford to spend more time on it.
[04:05] <martalli> Roey: Maybe you should try feisty (at least the livecd)...wireless is even better on feisty
[04:05] <Roey> el-grecco:  heh
[04:05] <Roey> martalli:  I was so hoping that!
[04:05] <intelikey> makuseru you still around ?
[04:05] <Roey> martalli:  right, I seriously lacked a Feisty CD last-last Friday.
[04:05] <Roey> and I knew it.
[04:06] <martalli> lol - the torrent was running flat out later int he evening.  I hadn't seen speeds like that in a long time for a torrent
[04:06] <martalli> (the evening meaning last friday)
[04:06] <makuseru> intelikey: yes
[04:06] <philfo> N6REJ, you still around?
[04:06] <intelikey> makuseru i got the same error message on startup of kguitar,   but; the following line states that it created the secquenser node,   what flavour of ubuntu you got ?
[04:07] <makuseru> Kubuntu Edgy
[04:08] <intelikey> kubuntian it could be a bug in edgy   i don't know.   kapper works.   and if you are not recieving any other error messages in the konsole   i'm at a loss as to what more i can do to help.
[04:08] <el-grecco> Roey:
[04:08] <intelikey> makuseru ^
[04:09] <N6REJ> yep
[04:09] <N6REJ> sorry, wrapped up in my music
[04:09] <makuseru> thanks for the try intelikey
[04:09] <philfo> me too
[04:09] <philfo> so do I replace universe with multiverse?
[04:09] <N6REJ> NO add
[04:09] <sure> en
[04:09] <N6REJ> universe multiverse
[04:10] <philfo> ok
[04:10] <N6REJ> just like that
[04:10] <philfo> thanks
[04:10] <N6REJ> np
[04:10] <intelikey> makuseru it wouldn't really surprise me if they did break something...  maybe it's fixed again in feisty...   at any rate you can ask the developers about it.     i don't work here.  (not officially anyway)
[04:10] <N6REJ> lol yeah right intelikey
[04:11] <makuseru> intelikey:  you should be on the payrole
[04:11] <makuseru> payroll*
[04:11] <N6REJ> I used to be a sysop for M$
[04:11] <intelikey> N6REJ i am in no way assoceated with ubuntu linux or any package/portion or dirivative there of.
[04:11] <N6REJ> left when they went treasonus
[04:11] <N6REJ> intelikey: I hear ya
[04:11] <BluesKaj> N6REJ , i got the websites using windows media for video to play with the gxine plugin
[04:11] <N6REJ> just ras'n ya
[04:12] <N6REJ> cool!
[04:12] <philfo> ok, multiverse has been added after each universe
[04:12] <N6REJ> and there are no # infront of those lines?
[04:12] <BluesKaj> my mplayer is still broken
[04:12] <N6REJ> BluesKaj: is it made by M$?
[04:13] <N6REJ> I hear media player 11 works well :P
[04:13] <BluesKaj> no it's part of the mencoder family
[04:13] <philfo> now there aren't
[04:13] <N6REJ> just out of curiosity why mplayer?  have you tried others?
[04:13] <N6REJ> ok
[04:13] <philfo> and now
[04:14] <BluesKaj> not gonna use wine ... what's thew point of linux if you use wine ?
[04:14] <N6REJ> philfo: now, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:14] <N6REJ> one nice long line
[04:14] <jman> lol
[04:14] <N6REJ> get up and go get a cup of coffee
[04:14] <BluesKaj> well it was the player that used to work on sites embedded with wm video stuff
[04:15] <N6REJ> oh
[04:15] <BluesKaj> the mplayer plugin for FF
[04:15] <philfo> right after that last multiverse?
[04:15] <N6REJ> oh oh oh that mplayer
[04:15] <N6REJ> NO
[04:15] <N6REJ> oh wait
[04:15] <N6REJ> lol
[04:15] <N6REJ> have you typed anything yet?
[04:15] <philfo> nope
[04:15] <N6REJ> ok
[04:15] <N6REJ> control X
[04:15] <N6REJ> then y
[04:15] <N6REJ> then enter
[04:15] <N6REJ> back to $?
[04:16] <intelikey> N6REJ see pm
[04:16] <N6REJ> k
[04:16] <philfo> ok, it's back
[04:17] <philfo> $ that is
[04:17] <philfo> now run: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  ???
[04:18] <matthew1429> does anyone know where I can nab the text-only installs of ubuntu/kubuntu?
[04:18] <matthew1429> I keep getting x.org crashes when trying to install edgy on my laptop
[04:19] <N6REJ> matthew1429: get the server distro or xubuntu
[04:19] <N6REJ> xubuntu uses XFCE and is very lightweight and actually quite nice.
[04:19] <N6REJ> else get server distro and build as you go
[04:19] <martalli> matthew1429: I think you want the "alternetive install" disk
[04:19] <N6REJ> when you get to the spot where it says "lamp" or "dns" leave both blank
[04:20] <N6REJ> martalli: he's wanting a con only install I think.
[04:20] <SubOne> how do i get the Win key to popup the launch menu?
[04:20] <N6REJ> SubOne: go to system setting and keyboard and then map it.
[04:20] <martalli> N6REJ: I have a p2-400 mhz laptop and honestly kubuntu and xubuntu felt about the same on it (~256 mb memory)
[04:21] <SubOne> but it wont let me map it. it just waits for another key
[04:21] <N6REJ> really?  I've not tried mine yet, though I'm betting ready to.. 192mb K62-383
[04:21] <N6REJ> ?
[04:21] <N6REJ> hmm
[04:21] <N6REJ> there's a program to change your keyboard type... it illudes me this second.
[04:21] <N6REJ> let me look
[04:22] <SubOne> oh i guess you cant use it as a standalone key if its also mapped as a modifier
[04:22] <martalli> I think for truly old hardware, fluxbuntu sounds like a better idea
[04:22] <N6REJ> SubOne: you got it.
[04:22] <N6REJ> martalli: haven't heard of that one.
[04:23] <martalli> http://fluxbuntu.org/
[04:23] <N6REJ> SubOne: there is a kde program that will let you modify your keyboard type.  I don't know if its a native install or if you have to manually tell adept to add it.
[04:23] <martalli> A fluxbox frontend with a ubuntu base
[04:24] <N6REJ> kool
[04:24] <martalli> SubOne: You can do it in the process of a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:25] <martalli> It offers a place where you can type something like altwin:metawin - I don't know exactly, its right there in the interaction, though
[04:25] <martalli> N6REJ: Of all the minimalist window managers, I always liked windowmaker and fluxbox
[04:25] <matthew1429> so the alternate install cd (600 megabytes) should help me get around my x.org crashes when installing ubuntu on my dell inspiron 9400/e1705?
[04:26] <philfo> N6REJ:  the update is done
[04:26] <martalli> matthew1429: Were you able to install it to start with and then its crashing afterwards?
[04:26] <N6REJ> ok, now we can play
[04:26] <philfo> and?
[04:26] <N6REJ> except now its my bed time :(
[04:26] <matthew1429> martalli - I can install dapper through safe graphics mode
[04:26] <matthew1429> edgy is crashing on both
[04:26] <N6REJ> ok, herer's what you need to.
[04:26] <matthew1429> never did install it
[04:26] <Slynderdale> "Dell Refunds Vista/Works With Two Emails" - http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/03/25/1944209
[04:27] <philfo> dang.  thanks though
[04:27] <martalli> matthew1429: Safe graphics mode is just a standard vesa driver.  Should work in edgy and feisty too.
[04:27] <martalli> matthew1429: Once installed, you need to run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[04:28] <N6REJ> the files are split between v2.6 and v2.9  Your going to have to look for them.  Check adept first to see if you can find them in the repos.
[04:28] <matthew1429> martalli: for some reason, it still crashes in edgy... it was a successfull loophole in dapper but having all kinds of problems
[04:28] <N6REJ> use firefox and go here .ftp://ftp.gtk.org/pub/gtk/v2.9
[04:28] <martalli> Google your monitor specs, esp the horiz and vert refresh - that;'s probably where your problem is
[04:28] <N6REJ> thats where 90% of the files are.
[04:28] <matthew1429> thats the thing it WONT install martalli, it hangs and says X server couldn't start
[04:28] <N6REJ> the exception to that is atk, that is in 2.6
[04:28] <matthew1429> it cant find my vid card or something
[04:28] <philfo> N6REJ: that's for me?
[04:28] <martalli> matthew1429: Then I would try the alt install disk and go from there
[04:28] <N6REJ> philfo: yes
[04:28] <matthew1429> martalli: okay, thanks
[04:28] <matthew1429> :)
[04:29] <martalli> matthew1429: Or, you could use the dvd install - it has both methods
[04:29] <N6REJ> follow that ladies instructions, they seem clear
[04:29] <matthew1429> yeah, dont have time to wait for that d/l
[04:29] <matthew1429> im hoping feisty upgrades nicely from edgy
[04:29] <philfo> ok, I'll try to get it done.  probably going to be flailing around for another day thoguh
[04:29] <philfo> thanks
[04:30] <N6REJ> I'll be back t/m
[04:30] <N6REJ> after around 10am
[04:30] <N6REJ> its 2130 now
[04:32] <martalli> matthew1429: It worked well for me
[04:32] <laptop> Which is better KDE or GNOME?
[04:32] <laptop> for ubuntu?
[04:32] <martalli> other people have complained
[04:32] <N6REJ> lol
[04:32] <N6REJ> k
[04:33] <BluesKaj> ubuntu is gnome, kubuntu is KDE
[04:33] <martalli> laptop: lol - you're asking a biased group...maybe you should pose that to the #fluxbox channel
[04:33] <laptop> yeah dont they both offer the exact same functionality?
[04:33] <laptop> just differernt GUI?
[04:33] <Slynderdale> Yeap
[04:34] <martalli> laptop: pretty much...but it isn't only that one has trhe menu on the top, the other on the bottom
[04:34] <N6REJ> ok, kind folks, nighty nite for me.
[04:34] <laptop> lol
[04:34] <laptop> (which you can move around, correct?)
[04:34] <N6REJ> what gui are youused to laptop?
[04:34] <BluesKaj> borisyeltsin , defected to canucksville :)
[04:34] <martalli> My four year old wants his edubuntu comp to be like mine (kubuntu), so he is contatntly dragging his menu bar to the bottom
[04:35] <N6REJ> lol
[04:35] <laptop> N6REJ:  I tried both....I like Gnome better, but Before I get stuck on it, wanted to ask
[04:35] <N6REJ> thats cute
[04:35] <billytwowilly> actually, that's my irc client at school.
[04:36] <BluesKaj> well laptop, in that case YOU"RE IN THE WRONG ROOM!
[04:36] <N6REJ> look at the apps you want to run and make your decision based on that.  deciding based on the window is like buying a car cause its pretty.  But what you really needed was a truck!
[04:36] <laptop> no Im not
[04:36] <laptop> Im asking an opinion.
[04:36] <eigentard> is there any way to get HL2 running in kubuntu?
[04:36] <BluesKaj> this is KDE chat
[04:36] <laptop> You guys know KDE, so your opinion is valuable.
[04:36] <eigentard> without wine or anything?
[04:36] <BluesKaj> or support ....or help or....
[04:36] <martalli> The two year old drags every desktop icon into the toolbars and makes a mess of it...at least the mac has a desktop parental control that keeps the kiddies from movies icons all over the place. They shoudl incorporate that into edubuntu
[04:37] <martalli> laptop: I have used both, and I truly prefer KDE.
[04:37] <laptop> Or some sort of lock on icons
[04:37] <N6REJ> martalli: I think you can with the system settings.
[04:37] <eigentard> martalli: why not just setup an account for the kid, password yours, and log out after you're done?
[04:37] <laptop> martalli:  okay, why?
[04:37] <martalli> I think gnome typically offers fewer options to epeople, which is nice in office settings.  KDE offers more upfront tweaking
[04:37] <N6REJ> kde is more mmmmmm gadgety?
[04:38] <eigentard> how does gnome differ from KDE?  I've only ever used Sabayon and Kubuntu
[04:38] <martalli> eigentard: The computer is only his.  He can';t mess up much except his own files, since he doesn't know sudo
[04:38] <eigentard> well teach him sudo and let him mess up his computer
[04:38] <eigentard> He'll learn more that way
[04:38] <N6REJ> how is mac osx diff then kde?  same sort of question
[04:39] <martalli> lol - so much is similar, even between win/macos/and kde
[04:39] <N6REJ> yep
[04:39] <N6REJ> I was shocked
[04:39] <eigentard> If I hadn't spent so much time tinkering around with the hardware / OS of my computer when I was a pre-teen... well then I'd probably not be half the person I am today :X
[04:39] <eigentard> yah
[04:39] <philfo> what am I to do with those files at the .ftp?
[04:39] <N6REJ> save them
[04:40] <N6REJ> then follow the directions
[04:40] <martalli> Sometimes, I think that the differences come down tot he software that you wanmt to use - if you are using mostly qt programs vs. gtk program (although both can run progs from the other side withthe right libraries installed
[04:40] <philfo> the whole directory?
[04:40] <N6REJ> NO!
[04:40] <prophet> how do you reset the menues fro Konquror
[04:40] <N6REJ> ok, let me explain, you see how she has v2.6/blah for each file?
[04:40] <laptop> If I dont like GNOME or KDE what else is there?
[04:40] <BluesKaj> kcontrol or kedit
[04:41] <martalli> eigentard: For myt pre-teen years, there was the vic20 lol
[04:41] <N6REJ> laptop tons!
[04:41] <N6REJ> and kde has several flavors also
[04:41] <martalli> laptop: xfce, windowmaker, fluxbox, and it goes on and on
[04:41] <N6REJ> laptop, first figure out what you want to use on your pc then get the desktop that runs those apps the best.
[04:42] <prophet> how do you reset the menues fro Konquror??
[04:42] <N6REJ> martalli: don't leave out mac osx :P
[04:42] <martalli> laptop: one of my favorite stripper distros is puppy...it runs jwm iirc
[04:42] <N6REJ> martalli: DSL!
[04:42] <philfo> well, 2.9, but yes.
[04:42] <BluesKaj> N6REJ , lots of ppl run a mix of gnome based and kde based programs
[04:43] <martalli> N6REJ: An imac is going to be my next computer.  I decided that if i really want a proprietary os for stuff (videos of the kids, actually), then a mac would be better than windows), and it runs linux to boot (pun intended lol)
[04:43] <N6REJ> ok, then you go there and she says, "gz" but theydon't have .gz files anymore so get the .bz2's
[04:43] <philfo> then just save the .bz2's?
[04:43] <prophet> anyone?
[04:44] <martalli> prophet: Im not sure what you mean?
[04:44] <N6REJ> martalli: I got a b/w g3 - 500 with 1G ram 40G HD and DVD drive given to me :D  So it has osX 10.3.9 ( panther ) on it.  I'm half toying with switching my desktop to osx just to get used to it.
[04:44] <prophet> in Konqueror the "file edit view windows" menues are gone, i dont know howt to bring them back
[04:44] <N6REJ> philfo: yes!, use those whenever she says .gz
[04:44] <martalli> prophet: wierd - you aren't running beryl or somesuch are you?
[04:44] <N6REJ> philfo: if I remember right the command to unpack a .bz is diff then a .gz though so ask hin here when you get that far.
[04:45] <prophet> no, i took them off by accident cant u reset the UI some how?
[04:45] <N6REJ> prophet: easy. you can make them stay there if you like.
[04:45] <prophet> how do i bring them back
[04:45] <ffffu> hi i need help on the openoffice in edgy.. why spell check says check done but doesn't detect any spelling error? did i forget some package? i've installed 3 edgy, all is the same
[04:45] <martalli> prophet: type ctrl-m
[04:45] <prophet> i only have the TABS section only
[04:45] <N6REJ> nm LOL
[04:45] <prophet> thnx
[04:46] <philfo> wish me luck.
[04:46] <eigentard> man.. I need a new hard drive
[04:46] <N6REJ> there's pleny of folks here that will help you.
[04:46] <eigentard> how long is a 13gb root partition going to suffice?
[04:46] <N6REJ> in *nix?  A LONG TIME.
[04:46] <martalli> prophet: Of course, I could only find that by looking in the menus lol
[04:46] <eigentard> i'm dual-booting with windows xp so most of the rest of my harddrive space is media
[04:46] <Jucato> prophet: it's not really there by default on Kubuntu
[04:46] <eigentard> N6REJ: seriously? cool
[04:47] <N6REJ> eigentard: you can install *nix in less then 500k if necessary.  All the rest is fluff
[04:47] <eigentard> like I really can't think of any programs that I need for linux beside what's come already (and xmms etc)
[04:47] <martalli> eigentard: That's plenty large for most things...however, I had a 6-10 gb root partition and things were tight for the edgy->feisty upgrade
[04:47] <Jucato> prophet: http://jucato.org/kde/konq-profiles.html (just follows steps 1 and 2, no need for 3 unless you want it)
[04:47] <eigentard> feisty?
[04:47] <eigentard> i'm running edgy right now
[04:47] <eigentard> what's feisty?
[04:47] <Jucato> !feisty | eigentard
[04:47] <ubotu> eigentard: The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[04:47] <comodo> is feisty already released?
[04:47] <martalli> eigentard: With tens of thousadns of programs in the repositories, you might fin yourself downloading gobs of programs
[04:48] <laptop> HOW easy is it to install KDE and GNOME on the same machine and just switch between them, is it hard to manage????
[04:48] <eigentard> ah cool
[04:48] <N6REJ> 13g will last you a long time as long as you don't try things like tons of heavy games or videos.
[04:48] <eigentard> I'll wait 'til it's released officially to upgrade
[04:48] <eigentard> why does it take so much more space?
[04:48] <eigentard> N6REJ: I've got XP for games
[04:48] <N6REJ> laptop: no, its very simple
[04:48] <eigentard> although it's annoying to switch back and forth
[04:48] <eigentard> haha
[04:48] <laptop> Feisty is easily more stable than 6.10 imo
[04:48] <Jucato> laptop: it's easy. except that you'll have twice as much apps in your menys
[04:48] <N6REJ> eigentard: then your set maybe for life.
[04:48] <laptop> hrm
[04:48] <prophet> im missing the address bar now :()
[04:48] <eigentard> cool
[04:48] <eigentard> I just installed kubuntu two weeks ago and already there's a new one :X
[04:48] <martalli> eigentard: The problem is that 5gb of programs is being replaced by another 5gb, coming down in debs, and then you need space for the unpacking and whatnot
[04:49] <eigentard> ah yah
[04:49] <eigentard> well can it unpack into space NTFS space?
[04:49] <N6REJ> yep
[04:49] <N6REJ> no!
[04:49] <comodo> what dos feisty have to offer that 6.10 dont
[04:49] <N6REJ> but you can shrink the ntfs space :D
[04:49] <laptop> look it up big change list
[04:49] <martalli> No need to really upgrade to feisty unless you are having trouble with your laptop's wioreless (me =)
[04:49] <eigentard> haha I can't without formatting lots of stuff I don't want to format :P
[04:49] <martalli> eigentard: not a good idea..infact edgy can't write to ntfs
[04:49] <eigentard> ah it can't?
[04:49] <philfo> do these files need to be saved anywhere in particular?
[04:50] <eigentard> it can read it though it seems
[04:50] <eigentard> I can play movies and music off my NTFS partitions through XMMS/Kaffeine/etc
[04:50] <martalli> eigentard: read, not write
[04:50] <eigentard> cool
[04:50] <N6REJ> eigentard: do a safe mode defrag and then let *nix move the part
[04:50] <martalli> eigentard: there is a package , ntfs-3g or something like that that purports to be able to read and write ntfs
[04:50] <N6REJ> oh, and turn off all swap first LOL
[04:51] <N6REJ> alright, I'm really off to bed LOL
[04:51] <Jucato> !ntfs-3g | eigentard
[04:51] <ubotu> eigentard: ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[04:52] <ffffu> hi i need help on the openoffice in edgy.. why spell check says check done but doesn't detect any spelling error? did i forget some package? i've installed 3 edgy, all is the same
[04:53] <martalli> ffffu: Maybe you're a good speller
[04:53] <martalli> or you added a mispelling
[04:54] <daskreech2> Jucato: saw the kubuntu mini review?
[04:54] <matthew1429> how do I find out the model of my dvd burner through linux???
[04:54] <daskreech2> http://blogs.pcworld.co.nz/pcworld/tux-love/2007/03/hidden_linux_cures_for_kde_bor.html
[04:54] <prophet> linux is hard.
[04:54] <Jucato> daskreech2: not yet. checking now
[04:55] <martalli> lol X just crashed outright!  Maybe y'all ought to hold off on the feisty-beryl combo just yet
[04:56] <martalli> It was like the power went our for asec , and then x restarted like I had pressed strl=alt-backpasce
[04:57] <daskreech2> prophet: you are very late ;-0
[04:57] <ryanakca> how do I reset /etc/motd to default?
[04:57] <daskreech2> Jucato: kiwwi wouldn't be happy
[04:58] <Jucato> daskreech2: well, art is a very subjective area.
[04:58] <daskreech2> :-)
[04:58] <daskreech2> doesn't mean that he would be happy
[04:59] <Jucato> daskreech2: that said, the article is poorly titled, imho
[04:59] <Jucato> daskreech2: I didn't say he wouldn't be unhappy about it :)
[04:59] <daskreech2> :-)
[04:59] <ryanakca> daskreech2: Jucato: ouch, that's... harsh?
[04:59] <daskreech2> yeah
[05:00] <Jucato> ryanakca: very. but the author just seems to be "building on" an anti-KDE atmosphere just to get his point across, which isn't really anti-KDE... sort of like just trying to market his article by using a provoking article
[05:00] <martalli> I think I know what happened...I was installing wine with adept when the whole thing went down
[05:00] <Jucato> (anyway, getting OT :P)
[05:01] <ryanakca> yeah
[05:01] <ffffu> i've explicitly misspell something of course
[05:02] <ffffu> anybody have problem with spell check after fresh installation or is it just me
[05:03] <daskreech2> I love his reason for having multiple desktops
[05:03] <daskreech2> so that he can view his desktop without having to click the desktop button
[05:03] <martalli> Well, I tried it on openoffice (fresh feisty install) and it caught chi (was suppposed to be is) but missed fo4r
[05:04] <martalli> I was typing "Now is the time for all good ment to come to the aid of their country."  My mom loved to type that out on typewriters back in the day (to test them out i guess)
[05:05] <ffffu> if u type adfasdflkj or installaioon , does it detect?
[05:07] <martalli> It wanted to change it to: "if u type steadfast or installation , does it detect?"
[05:07] <Jucato> ffffu: do you have a dictionary installed? aspell or ispell?
[05:07] <martalli> I don't knwo how it got steadfast from adfasdflkj - I think that is a bug myself
[05:07] <martalli> What program are you using? OOo?
[05:07] <voorhees86> how i restart the kde ?
[05:08] <Jucato> voorhees86: restart KDE? logout and log back in
[05:08] <martalli> voorhees86: ctrl-alt-backspace will restart X
[05:09] <daskreech2> voorhees86: if going that route save anything you have open
[05:13] <ffffu> aspell? how do i know
[05:14] <philfo> wow this is amazingly frustrating.
[05:15] <daskreech2> hmm?
[05:16] <ffffu> i had aspell
[05:16] <ffffu> but openoffice use that?
[05:19] <martalli> ffffu, i would think that the ooo package would specifiy its own dependencies
[05:22] <daskreech2> philfo: what's frustrating
[05:24] <ForgeAus> hey all :)
[05:26] <aaron_> ok I am at a loss here
[05:26] <ffffu> sigh.. i don't know what to ask but my openoffice just don't detect anything.. checked the options under language aid, english US is ticked
[05:26] <aaron_> Ive got kubuntu and the mouse has a ridiculously high latency in quake 3
[05:28] <aaron_> does anyone have something that will solve my day long plight
[05:29] <daskreech2> ffffu: yeah i moved to kofficwe
[05:29] <daskreech2> office
[05:34] <fignew> daskreech2: how is koffice treating you?
[05:34] <daskreech2> It's not great but its exciting
[05:35] <daskreech2> you will in time
[05:35] <fignew> does kubuntu handle defaults fine?
[05:35] <daskreech2> what do you use it for?
[05:35] <daskreech2> DEfaults?
[05:35] <fignew> so.. say I install koffice, will it open in koffice (even if OOO is installed?)
[05:36] <fignew> daskreech2: school work
[05:36] <ffffu> koffice?
[05:37] <fignew> ffffu: ?
[05:37] <daskreech2> oh right
[05:37] <daskreech2> yeah I think so
[05:37] <daskreech2> I removed Openoffice
[05:37] <daskreech2> but yeah you can switch it to open with Koffice pretty easy
[05:38] <ffffu> daskreech2: if u draw lines and shapes with koffice, will there be problem for microsoft user to open?
[05:39] <daskreech2> Depends on if you use flake or not
[05:39] <ffffu> i mean, will the arrangement of the lines
[05:39] <daskreech2>  it has a good exporterto Microsoft formats
[05:39] <martalli> I think ooo beats koffice, but then we have amixed environment at my office (linux and windows)
[05:39] <daskreech2> but YMMV
[05:40] <Ash-Fox> I think Microsoft Office 2007 beats other office suits in terms of the UO :/
[05:40] <Ash-Fox> err UI
[05:40] <Ash-Fox> Additionally, the spell checker, grammer checker, the helpfulness of the UI that's able to determine when you're continuing to number sections etc.
[05:41] <martalli> Ash-Fox, I don't know anything about it - its about $500 over my price range.  For 100% of what we do at my office, ooo is all we need
[05:41] <martalli> Ash-Fox, but ms office certainly does have a lot more features (and some very nice stuff) over ooo and koffice
[05:42] <martalli> Most of the small businesses I know are wasting their money on ms office, though
[05:42] <Ash-Fox> I have to say, before office 2007, I didn't really want to use Microsoft Office
[05:42] <ffffu> i think i going to reinstall my ooo
[05:42] <KaoticEvil> 2003 is better than 2007
[05:42] <Ash-Fox> But with the ribbon interface, it's somewhat, a lot nicer.
[05:42] <Ash-Fox> KaoticEvil, I disagree.
[05:43] <KaoticEvil> i dont like the way so many menu commands that i use all the time are hidden
[05:43] <Ash-Fox> 2003 was horribly bug ridden when it first came out, the interface wasn't as nicely polished and it suffered numerous UI design issues
[05:43] <Ash-Fox> KaoticEvil, then add the button you want via customize?
[05:43] <KaoticEvil> i shouldnt have to tho
[05:43] <KaoticEvil> the commands i need are common.
[05:43] <Ash-Fox> I don't have to. I have no idea why you need to.
[05:43] <KaoticEvil> they shouldnt be hidden
[05:44] <Ash-Fox> For example?
[05:45] <martalli> Jucato, I think so.
[05:45] <KaoticEvil> lol
[05:45] <Ash-Fox> Jucato, I'd join a offtopic channel, but I can't join anymore channels ;)
[05:45] <KaoticEvil> back later
[05:45] <Jucato> Ash-Fox: heh :P
[05:45] <Jucato> Ash-Fox: ask for an exception from #freenode
[05:45] <Ash-Fox> I'd ask, but I can't join :P
[05:46] <martalli> Ash-Fox, How many channels is that?
[05:46] <ffffu> can anyone tell me /usr/share/myspell/dicts fiels should be root or user ownership?
[05:46] <Ash-Fox> I'm on 20 channels on this network.
[05:46] <Jucato> freenode has a 20-channel limit
[05:46] <martalli> ffffu, I think everything in /usr shoudl be root's
[05:46] <Jucato> Ash-Fox: if you ask for an exception, you can join more than 20 channels
[05:46] <SilentDis> hello :)
[05:47] <Ash-Fox> Jucato, I don't think there is a exception for channels available.
[05:47] <pollyo> Does Kubuntu automatically mount DVD's?
[05:47] <martalli> Ash-Fox, as long as you're at it, can you put logs for all of freenode up on the web for us? lol
[05:47] <daskreech2> should
[05:47] <Ash-Fox> The only way I know of getting around channel limits is by having a o-line.
[05:47] <hitmanWilly> pollyo: does for me
[05:47] <KaoticEvil> how many channels are you in?
[05:47] <daskreech2> DAng it lost again :-(
[05:47] <Jucato> Ash-Fox: there is. that's why I said you can ask for an exception
[05:48] <martalli> I am personally having problems with feisty - kaffeine complains that it does not have the proper plugin - I went to the trouble of installing libdvdcss, but it still doesn't work.  Only trustyu ole vlc plays my dvds
[05:48] <KaoticEvil> Ash-Fox: how many channels are you in?
[05:48] <SilentDis> question:  i'm burning a copy of Kubuntu 6.10 DVD for a friend (yay another convert!), and he's interested in using it multilingually (spanish/english).  while I'm not a multilingual user myself, is the act of selecting the translation trivial, or is it complicated?
[05:48] <Jucato> KaoticEvil: 20
[05:48] <Ash-Fox> KaoticEvil, 20.
[05:48] <Jucato>  <Ash-Fox> I'm on 20 channels on this network.
[05:48] <KaoticEvil> O_O
[05:48] <eigentard> why?
[05:49] <KaoticEvil> Jucato: i left before he posted that ;)
[05:49] <billy_> is there a quick way to play a DVD in kubuntu? (family is waiting)
[05:49] <SilentDis> !dvd | billy_
[05:49] <eigentard> you can't possibly read all of them unless all but 3 or 4 are actually active
[05:49] <ubotu> billy_: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[05:49] <ffffu> can anyone tell me what's on your openoffice --> tools-->option-->langujage-->writing aid ?
[05:49] <SilentDis> billy_: basically, install libdvdcss2, run the script, and kaffene will play without issue :)
[05:49] <Ash-Fox> Jucato, as usual, I get forwarded to #freenode-social :P
[05:49] <ffffu> i'm going crazy without spell check
[05:50] <Jucato> Ash-Fox: ah my bad, you'll probably have to PM staff :/
[05:50] <martalli> bill_k, You can also use the medibuntu repos (http://medibuntu.org/repository.php)
[05:50] <billy_> thanks, hope that works silentdis
[05:50] <martalli> If you are using feisty, you might need to install vlc for the moment
[05:50] <SilentDis> billy_: it does.  it's pretty simple... feisty fawn makes it even easier apparently.
[05:50] <KaoticEvil> martalli: whys that?
[05:51] <billy_> nope, nogo libdvdcss2 package is not available
[05:51] <billy_> says it is referred to by another package
[05:51] <martalli> billy_, try the medibuntu repos.  how to at http://medibuntu.org/repository.php
[05:51] <billy_> so i don't think i mispelled it
[05:51] <SilentDis> billy_: you have to enable the seveas repo.
[05:51] <SilentDis> !seveas | billy_
[05:51] <ubotu> billy_: Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[05:51] <bill_k> martalli: billy_, not me, right?
[05:51] <martalli> KaoticEvil, kaffeine says "plugin not installed".  even afer installing libdvdcss
[05:52] <martalli> bill_k, yeah, right, sorry.  Still figuring out autocompletion with xchat
[05:52] <KaoticEvil> martalli: hmm.. that kinda sucks lol.. i prefer VLC over kaffiene anyway :)
[05:52] <martalli> KaoticEvil, I probably just have to tell kaffeine where the libdvdcss liubs are hiding
[05:53] <billy_> how do i enable that repository?
[05:53] <martalli> KaoticEvil, well, except that kubuntu is in love with kaffeine and wants to open everything with it lol
[05:53] <daskreech2> billy_: did you eanble multiverse?
[05:53] <billy_> is this quick? if its complicated i'll just reboot into windows XP
[05:53] <martalli> billy_ read the howto - but only add medibuntu if it can't be done otherwise
[05:53] <billy_> i was just wondering if there was a quick easy answer
[05:53] <daskreech2> Depends on if you unsedrstand repos
[05:53] <ffffu> can anyone check locale is their LANG=en_US.UTF-8 ??????
[05:54] <martalli> billy_ just reboot into windows and ask us after the kids are asleep lol
[05:54] <daskreech2> If you have no idea what I'm talking about reboot and come back ehre after the DVD
[05:54] <daskreech2> here
[05:54] <KaoticEvil> martalli: i just changed assosications ;)
[05:54] <SilentDis> billy_: check that link ubotu sent you about the seveas repo.  it's really fast, just add a single line to the bottom of your /etc/apt/sources.list :)
[05:54] <billy_> ok thanks for your help all, i'll figure this out later :)
[05:56] <bill_k> martalli: no problem.
[05:56] <gita> fhfj
[05:56] <gita> khh
[05:56] <SilentDis> gita: yes, the home row of your keyboard works :D
[05:58] <martalli> billy_, no problem
[06:01] <pollyo> Anyone familiar with an 80-wire ide cable and what is the difference between that and a standard ide cable?
[06:02] <MuJ> pollyo: other than it's more work to make it rounded? =P
[06:02] <SilentDis> MuJ: lol
[06:02] <SilentDis> pollyo: the 80-wire cable is used for 'high speed' ATA drives, faster data rates.
[06:03] <pollyo> SilentDis: Is an ATA drive a type of IDE?
[06:04] <martalli> yes, "ide" drives are parallel ata
[06:05] <martalli> as opposed to serial ata (or sata drivers)
[06:05] <SilentDis> pollyo: yes. it's the 'last gen' tech.  the newer machines run on SATA (serial ATA).  IDE used to be a 40-wire ribbon, and was the standard for around a decade.  it had an improvement, thus the 80-pin ribbon.  most 'puters now offer SATA connections.  tiny little cable, iirc.
[06:05] <SilentDis> pollyo: there's also SCSI, but that's a can of worms to open up.  lotsa complicated stuff in that, and very long explinations hehe :)
[06:05] <martalli> the sata cables would be an improvement for system building and small size just for that reason, but they also hap[pen to be faster
[06:07] <Ash-Fox> Jucato, apparently they cannot currently set me up above 20 channels :P
[06:07] <MuJ> only thing that makes my older computer run really slow is the ancient ide-drives >:|
[06:07] <crackhead_25> anyone know how to copy files from a host kubuntu machine to a vmware guest os (win xp) system on that machine??
[06:08] <SilentDis> MuJ: hey, i'm still running IDE drives... well... that and SCSI.  i need a new 'puter :P
[06:08] <MuJ> and by old I don't mean really old.. it's 2GHz athlon :P
[06:08] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello everyone!
[06:08] <MuJ> but the drives really makes a difference
[06:08] <MilhousePunkRock> Is it allowed to ask about Feisty, or is there a seperate channel again?
[06:08] <SilentDis> crackhead_25: if you've got network support setup, you can 'share' on the kubuntu hose environment using samba, and connect to it from the winxp guest environment
[06:08] <hitmanWilly> yeah, they do
[06:09] <daskreech2> MilhousePunkRock: #ubuntu+1
[06:09] <daskreech2> unless it's about the upgrade to feisty
[06:09] <pollyo> I see these 80 wire cables are still 40 pin connections.  They simply use thinner wires and shield them more,
[06:09] <daskreech2>  then we can handle it
[06:09] <SilentDis> crackhead_25: barring that... you MIGHT be able to mount the vmware disk in linux... but i'm not sure how to do that, personally.  sorry.
[06:09] <SilentDis> pollyo: yep, 2 wires per pin :)
[06:09] <intelikey> pollyo ?
[06:10] <pollyo> intelikey: Hello
[06:10] <intelikey> SilentDis what kind of cable you talking about ?
[06:10] <pollyo> I think I need an 80wire ide cable for my dvd burner.
[06:10] <intelikey> my 80 pin 80 wire scsi cable doesn't match that,  so i was just wondering
[06:11] <MuJ> crackhead_25: if you set up networking for the virtual machines you can also just right click on the virtual machine name -> settings -> shared folders and those folders will show up in windows network
[06:11] <pollyo> intelkey: We were discussing 80wire (40 pin) ide cables.
[06:11] <intelikey> ide   hmmm   ok.
[06:12] <pollyo> intelikey: They are for faster drives.
[06:13] <ffffu> how do i remove openoffice completely
[06:13] <intelikey> yeah.
[06:13] <ffffu> remove from /usr/bin/openoffice ? or is there a script to uninstall
[06:13] <SilentDis> intelikey: yes.  I was refering to IDE.
[06:13] <intelikey> ffffu apt-get remove -P openoffice*
[06:13] <pollyo> ffffu: Doesn't adept have a remove option?
[06:13] <Ash-Fox> Yes.
[06:13] <SilentDis> ffffu: sudo aptitude remove -p openoffice*
[06:13] <ffffu> oh! ok
[06:14] <MuJ> does apt-get support *? O_o
[06:14] <SilentDis> intelikey: darn you!  lol
[06:14] <intelikey> MuJ yes it do
[06:14] <hitmanWilly> MuJ: yes
[06:14] <ffffu> thx. i'm going to try installing openoffice again................because of the spellcheck
[06:14] <MuJ> cool.. didn't know that :)
[06:14] <SilentDis> MuJ: whatever you do, don't sudo aptitude install k*
[06:14] <SilentDis> lol
[06:14] <MuJ> :P
[06:14] <intelikey> MuJ use with caution   it doesn't default to matching only in the package name.
[06:15] <ffffu> sometimes when i apt-get remove xxx , and when i install again, it seems like it install very fast without downloading
[06:15] <ffffu> how do i remove the actual source or something/?
[06:15] <MuJ> if it understands * it understands other regular expressions I presume
[06:15] <intelikey> SilentDis aptitude borked my dpkg... i don't use it no mo
[06:15] <hitmanWilly> fffu: you can do it through synaptic
[06:15] <SilentDis> ffffu: there are .debs stored in /var/cache/apt/archives.  the -P option should purge those as well
[06:16] <pollyo> Are the cable connections for sata drives smaller then the idea connections/
[06:16] <hitmanWilly> pollyo: majorly
[06:16] <SilentDis> intelikey: really?  O.o  never herd of such a problem.  i tend to use aptitude rather than apt-get, as it's dependancy handling is better
[06:16] <intelikey> ffffu the dl'd packages are stored in /var/cache/apt/archives/  apt-get clean will purge that dir.
[06:16] <hitmanWilly> pollyo: they're about the size of usb connection
[06:17] <intelikey> SilentDis hehhe it was dependancy handling that messed things up.... lol
[06:17] <pollyo> OK.  Do they hvae somthing that is between an IDE and a SATA connection?
[06:17] <hitmanWilly> pollyo: not that i know of
[06:17] <intelikey> SilentDis it seems to work for installs ok but don't do major removals with it.
[06:17] <SilentDis> intelikey: ok, good to know, thanks :)
[06:18] <pollyo> hitmanWilly: I have a Dell E510 and I thought that the connection on the hard drives were smaller then a 40 pin IDE but they do not look like USB size connections.
[06:18] <intelikey> or should i say "be warned it may do for you what it did for me"   you can use it if you want.  i didn't mean to sound like i could/would tell you what to do...
[06:19] <hitmanWilly> pollyo: about how big?
[06:19] <SilentDis> intelikey: as always, !worksforme :)
[06:19] <intelikey> jap
[06:19] <pollyo> hitmanWilly: Good question.  It is in tha basement.
[06:19] <hitmanWilly> pollyo: usb was just a ballpark
[06:19] <kubuntu_> hi man
[06:19] <pollyo> hitmanWilly: I thought they looked about 3/4 the size of the ide cable.
[06:20] <intelikey> pollyo there is a mid grade scsi 60 pin cable
[06:20] <kubuntu_> kahejh
[06:20] <SilentDis> !hi | kubuntu_
[06:20] <ubotu> kubuntu_: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[06:20] <kubuntu_> hi to
[06:20] <intelikey> or 64 or what ever it was
[06:20] <pollyo> What is EIDE or something like that?
[06:20] <pollyo> Are they the same size as the 40 pin IDE?
[06:20] <kubuntu_> what you do
[06:20] <SilentDis> pollyo: that's an 80-wire 40-pin ribbon cable
[06:20] <hitmanWilly> pollyo: yes
[06:20] <kubuntu_> hi
[06:20] <intelikey> eide = extended ide   same hardware appearance
[06:20] <pollyo> Oh...
[06:21] <kubuntu_> wat
[06:21] <pollyo> Be right back... Now I have to go look at the dell.
[06:21] <kubuntu_> wat
[06:21] <intelikey> !help
[06:21] <hitmanWilly> well, i should be cursing dell, but they're off my hit list for a while
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[06:22] <intelikey> !topic
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[06:22] <kubuntu_> wat you do
[06:23] <intelikey> kubuntu_   see the topic  ^
[06:23] <SilentDis> kubuntu_: can you be a bit more vague?  this is the Kubuntu chatroom, for help using/installing/upgrading Kubuntu (kde flavor of ubuntu)
[06:23] <kubuntu_> i dont now
[06:24] <intelikey> * Indonesia *
[06:25] <kubuntu_> yes indonesia
[06:26] <kubuntu_> hi who are you
[06:26] <pollyo> It is a USB size cable.
[06:26] <co_jbr> tes
[06:27] <pollyo> I was looking at some type of diagnostic cable that was on the motherboard.
[06:27] <hitmanWilly> pollyo: probably sata then
[06:27] <intelikey> usb ?  15 pin or 9 pin ?
[06:27] <kubuntu_> what are you
[06:27] <kubuntu_> hiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[06:27] <co_jbr> boleh gabung gak?
[06:27] <pollyo> hitmanWilly: Can you tell SATA from would it be SATA2 or something?
[06:27] <kubuntu_> hello.........................!
[06:27] <kubuntu_> jfdsoprkr0
[06:28] <hitmanWilly> pollyo: as far as i know sata is just sata
[06:28] <SilentDis> kubuntu_: do you have a question about kubuntu we can help you with?
[06:28] <pollyo> Anyone know where I could find a drive on the cheap?  New and good?  I fear the local best buy is going to be over priced.
[06:28] <hitmanWilly> pollyo: newegg's pretty good
[06:29] <SilentDis> pollyo: ordering via the net is usually a lot cheaper.  http://www.pricewatch.com/ :)
[06:29] <pollyo> I'll check them both out.
[06:29] <pollyo> Thanks.
[06:29] <kubuntu_> thanks to ooooooooooo
[06:29] <pollyo> I can't wait to get kubuntu on my Dell.  It should work much smother.
[06:29] <SilentDis> pollyo: what kind of specs on that machine?
[06:30] <pollyo> SilentDis: Good question it is a Dell Dimension 510
[06:30] <pollyo> SilentDis: I should be able to tell you more in a min.  I just rebooted it when I went downstairs.  I'll log in accross the network.
[06:31] <SilentDis> pollyo: P4 3ghz or so?  512-1gb ram it looks like.  should run k/ubuntu nicely :)
[06:31] <pollyo> I have 1 gig ram in it.
[06:31] <kubuntu_> vfdafgrgbdgh
[06:31] <pollyo> I was thinking of bumping it up 1 more gig.
[06:32] <Daisuke_Ido> newegg for hardware, in my experience
[06:32] <pollyo> OR getting another video card.  I am curious to see beryl.
[06:32] <SilentDis> pollyo: i'm running 1.25gb right now, personally.  i'd love to throw more in there, but i can't justify any more upgrades for this machine.  just time for a new one :)
[06:32] <SilentDis> pollyo: beryl is VERY pretty :)
[06:33] <hitmanWilly> pollyo: i run on a 2.3 ghz AMD w/1 gig and kubuntu runs like lightning
[06:33] <Daisuke_Ido> vista visuals - hardware vampirism = beryl
[06:33] <pollyo> SilentDis: I understand.  I was looking at a computer that a friend wanted to upgrade and couldn't understand why he just didn't sell it and purchase something new.
[06:33] <intelikey> ram   heh
[06:33] <intelikey> Mem usage: 52/249 MB (20%)  <--- kde is running.
[06:34] <Daisuke_Ido> what version though?
[06:34] <pollyo> Do they have a ubuntu that will allow you to boot into either kde or gnome?  I saw that on a debian installation not long ago.
[06:34] <hitmanWilly> nah, beryl's got even better effects than vista
[06:34] <Daisuke_Ido> pollyo: just install ubuntu-desktop
[06:34] <Daisuke_Ido> (if you're using ku, install kubuntu-desktop if using gnome already)
[06:34] <pollyo> Daisuke_ldo: Will that add an option when you go to login asking for KDE or Gnome?
[06:34] <intelikey> pollyo install gnome ando or kde which ever you don't have
[06:35] <intelikey> yes
[06:35] <SilentDis> pollyo: AMD Athlon XP 1900+ (1.6ghz), 1.25gb ram, 350gb drive space, external storage to bring it up over a terabyte, Nvidia 7600GS w/ 256mb ram.  problem is, i'm 2 steps behind on all the tech, IDE drives, PC2100 ram, USB1.1, AGP video, etc.  lol
[06:35] <intelikey> it will add the option.
[06:35] <pollyo> I didn't realize that.
[06:35] <hitmanWilly> pollyo: should be in the sessions option at login
[06:35] <Daisuke_Ido> pollyo: it's under "session type"
[06:35] <Daisuke_Ido> just choose your poison
[06:35] <intelikey> pyzen
[06:35] <pollyo> Does it also add the programs that are installed to the menu choices?
[06:36] <intelikey> yes
[06:36] <hitmanWilly> pollyo: i have kde, gnome, enlightenment, wm, fluxbox, twm all as options
[06:36] <stanislav> i need some help :(
[06:36] <pollyo> I'll have to look into that more when I get the other computer setup.
[06:36] <pollyo> hitmanWilly: WOW
[06:36] <SilentDis> stanislav: that's why we're here.  ask away :)
[06:36] <intelikey> and as for the finnal Q yes you can run the kde apps in gnome and verse vissa
[06:36] <hitmanWilly> pollyo: im fickle
[06:36] <pollyo> intelikey: OK. Great.
[06:37] <pollyo> It appears the biggest thing holding Linux back right now is driver support.
[06:37] <hitmanWilly> still better than vista
[06:37] <intelikey> pollyo linux supports more hardware than any other os in the world
[06:37] <pollyo> I have a deal breaker because I can not get a driver for my uncles Lexmark X6170 all-in-one.
[06:38] <hitmanWilly> pollyo: lexmark nix support SUCKS!!
[06:38] <pollyo> Lexmark has some type of linux driver development kit but no drivers for the printers. (few)
[06:38] <SilentDis> pollyo: ouch.  yeah, from what I hear, lexmarks are really hit-or-miss.  best bets are HP from my understanding.
[06:38] <pollyo> hitmanWilly: I read that everywhere though they claim to have some type of development kit for linux.
[06:39] <MuJ> it's not long ago my scanner got supported :)
[06:39] <pollyo> I have an HP but it is a 710C it isn't quite standard.  It works but the image quality takes a hit.
[06:39] <pollyo> The windows drivers are so much better.
[06:39] <SilentDis> MuJ: hehe.  i got one of those Microsoft fingerprint readers as a 'gift' for my birthday... i've yet to find support for it, lol
[06:40] <intelikey> MuJ and pollyo but if you own lexmark hardware please do pester them about linux support.  costomer input does matter on that sort of thing.   "the squeeky wheel gets the greese"
[06:40] <pollyo> I wonder if it will ever be possible for a winprinterwapper.
[06:40] <MuJ> SilentDis: heh... you might need to wait a bit on that one
[06:40] <MuJ> intelikey: I don't :|
[06:40] <hitmanWilly> heh, worked for Dell
[06:40] <max_> how do you mount a harddrive
[06:40] <pollyo> intelkey: I'm going to call them in the morning.
[06:40] <intelikey> !ntfs | max_
[06:40] <ubotu> max_: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[06:40] <SilentDis> MuJ: my intent was to wait 'forever'.  it's a neat idea, and kinda cool for the few moments i booted into windows to play with it, but very superfulus :)
[06:40] <max_> its not windows or mac
[06:41] <hitmanWilly> !fstab | max
[06:41] <ubotu> max: The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[06:41] <SilentDis> max_: basic line is mount /some/thing /some/where.  what are you trying to mount, and to what end?  we need specifics :)
[06:41] <intelikey> max_ mount /dev/<devicenode> /media/<mountpoint>
[06:41] <max_> intelikey: thanks
[06:41] <pollyo> I'm just looking to find out how to get windows to boot from a startup option and in qemu from the same partition but it looks like a no go.
[06:41] <intelikey> !sudo | max_
[06:41] <ubotu> max_: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[06:42] <max_> SilentDis: im just mounting another linux partition, i coudnt remember what the command was
[06:42] <intelikey> max_ you'll need root perms to mount
[06:42] <max_> intelikey: yes, i know
[06:42] <pollyo> I wanted to setup windows to run in virutalization when I had linux going and linux to run in virtualization when I had windows going.
[06:42] <SilentDis> max_: ahh.  it'll probably be best to use this then:  sudo mount /dev/node /media/mountpoint -o user,defaults
[06:43] <max_> SilentDis: i just "sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt"
[06:43] <intelikey> SilentDis -o used  on linux fs's ?
[06:43] <intelikey> errr user ^
[06:44] <SilentDis> max_: that works.  though, /mnt is usually a container, rather than a mount point ;)
[06:44] <SilentDis> intelikey: doh, forgot that part.  no, totally not needed, the fs will take care of it.
[06:44] <intelikey> :)
[06:44] <max_> SilentDis: i just needed a file off the other partition to test somthing
[06:45] <SilentDis> intelikey: sorry.  most people come in asking how to mount ntfs/fat/fat32 drives.  it's just instinct now lol
[06:45] <makuseru> intelikey: your right, it was just a Edgy problem, im on my Fiesty partition and KGuitar works fine
[06:45] <SubOne> Everytime I try to install or uninstall something with Adept I get an error that says "There was an error committing changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages." Any idea how I would resolve this issue?
[06:46] <intelikey> makuseru would you drop a bug report on it then please.
[06:46] <intelikey> !bug
[06:46] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[06:46] <makuseru> of course
[06:46] <SilentDis> SubOne: could you !pastebin the whole error?  if you need it in 'text' format, use this command to try the install:  sudo aptitude install <packagename>
[06:46] <pollyo> Anyone familiar with setting up samba to view windows drive contents?
[06:46] <intelikey> and note that feisty is working. in the report
[06:46] <makuseru> alright
[06:46] <SubOne> ok i'll try that...
[06:47] <SilentDis> pollyo: the !samba info bit is REALLY helpful on that :)
[06:47] <pollyo> SilentDis: I have to read it more indepth.  I can see the drive.  At times it asks me for a name and password and nothing works.
[06:47] <SilentDis> pollyo: is the host you're connecting to win2k/xp?
[06:48] <pollyo> SilentDis: I thought it wanted a windows login name and password but it doesn't look like the case.
[06:48] <pollyo> SilentDis: XP
[06:48] <hitmanWilly> pollyo: try the admin password
[06:48] <pollyo> hitmanWilly: For the windows machine?
[06:48] <intelikey> would this line in ps -A x  alarm anyone ?   1593 tty23    Ss+    0:00 /opt/firefox/bin/bash
[06:48] <SilentDis> pollyo: it's a setting on XP.  it's been so long since i booted to it though, i'm not sure exactly where it is.  something like 'basic file sharing', or it'll look for a domain host to do username/password verification instead :P
[06:49] <hitmanWilly> pollyo: yes. and make sure the winblows box is set up for file sharing
[06:49] <SilentDis> intelikey: a little... i'd kill the user personally...
[06:49] <pollyo> hitmanWilly: Taking a look now.
[06:50] <intelikey> SilentDis just checking...
[06:51] <SilentDis> intelikey: I'm a BOFH when it comes to that kinda thing though.  kill -9 'em all and let root sort it out :D
[06:51] <pollyo> Does windows have an admin by default?  I am only showing Remote, User, and Guest accounts on my windows (anyone know)
[06:51] <intelikey> root      1593  0.0  0.6   2708  1552 tty23    Ss+  18:44   0:00 /opt/firefox/bin/bash      hehhe SilentDis
[06:51] <SilentDis> pollyo: the first user of the windows machine is usually considered an admin account.
[06:51] <SilentDis> intelikey: lol
[06:52] <pollyo> Ok
[06:52] <SilentDis> off to play a bit of WoW i guess.  take care all :)
[06:52] <hitmanWilly> pollyo: plus the network connection itself has to be enabled for printer/file sharing, not just individual folders
[06:53] <intelikey> would have some of the general ear marks of a root shell of some sort wouldn't it...
[06:53] <hijjt> is there a grub option to make x not start, it refuses to start and won't let me back to console again at all, any other suggestions will help
[06:54] <intelikey> hijjt 1
[06:55] <martalli> Is there a "failsafe" option in your grub menu?
[06:55] <intelikey> hijjt if that's not powerfull enough.    init=/bin/sh nosplash verbose
[06:55] <nick_> ok easy one here....what is the best burning software avalable in the linux adet manager
[06:56] <hijjt> martalli, no, I only have a grub command prompt right now... xfs filesystem failed to install grub all the way, very annoying
[06:56] <intelikey> nick_ best ?      gcombust
[06:56] <nick_> thank you
[06:56] <hijjt> intelikey, that will work perfect
[06:56] <intelikey> nick_ no xcdroast
[06:56] <intelikey> nick_ no wait.   k3b
[06:56] <nick_> actually i dont even need the best, i just need one that works
[06:56] <intelikey> nick_ i like cdw  :)
[06:56] <nick_> lol
[06:57] <nick_> do any support the hole 9 yards (vcd, iso, dvd etc?)
[06:57] <SubOne> that command i ran "sudo aptitude install mplayer" is taking a long time and its saying its setting up a lot of stuff like open office and the kernel etc, what does that command do?
[06:57] <hijjt> intelikey, what is the point of doing everything by uuid?
[06:58] <ser_o> Hey...
[06:58] <intelikey> hijjt the info is in the fs and not in the location the hardware is attached.    but that doesn't mean it always works..
[06:58] <utnubuk> whats the differance between 32 and 64 bit machines???
[06:58] <martalli> nick_ You are asking severalk questions - if you're using kde - just use k3b
[06:58] <ser_o> how do view .chm files ? I have a ebook which is .chm
[06:58] <makuseru> intelikey: man, how long do these reports have to be, it keeps saying Error If your bug hasn't been reported before, please describe your problem more in detail."
[06:59] <nick_> also, being new to linux, i dont get this command line thing....If i download a program with a tar.gz extension, the windows in me wants to go in there and find a file to install the software.....but apperently its different any any google search i did gave me 3 pages of command lines and adding slashes and numbers to files that i dont even know where to start.
[06:59] <SubOne> utnubuk: the difference is that all data is processed and passed around on 64 bits rather than 32
[06:59] <aaron_> is there anyone here that can help me with my mouse problem
[06:59] <intelikey> hijjt example     if you install on hda then move the ide cable to ide1 your system is now on hdc but the uuid is the same.
[06:59] <SubOne> utnubuk: on the hardware level
[06:59] <aaron_> I am still having it
[06:59] <MaartenLx> Hey... I'm trying to figure out why it won't let me change wallpaper. I am using right-click ---> configure desktop or the KDE system panel, but whatever I try.... the wallpaper does not change. The people of #ubuntu didn't seem to know and suggested I try here :)
[06:59] <utnubuk> SubOne: ty
[07:00] <martalli> "I first experienced POSIC with BSD UNIX and the csh....then I learned bash....isn't buntu in dash?....then I downloaded the breezey disk....then i downloaded the feisty disk....
[07:00] <SubOne> utnubuk: you have to have a 64 bit machine to run 64 bit software
[07:00] <intelikey> makuseru idk send what you have.  or search for one that mentions midi failure
[07:00] <martalli> War and Peace - a bud report in 1000 pages
[07:00] <martalli> s/bud/bug
[07:00] <hijjt> intelikey, good so changing them all back to where i know they are and are going to stay in my laptop won't affect anything
[07:00] <SubOne> utnubuk: if i remember correctly the only thing that isnt 64 bit in most 32 bit systems was the data bus
[07:01] <intelikey> hijjt in theory.
[07:01] <intelikey> hijjt let me know how it turns out in reality  :)
[07:01] <gansinho> hello, please I'm having some trouble with kubuntu and my digital camera , digikam and kde regognises it but I can't load the images ( in gnome I don't have this issue, what's strange(
[07:02] <intelikey> !digikam
[07:02] <ubotu> digikam: digital photo management application for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 1:0.8.2-2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 3501 kB, installed size 8832 kB
[07:02] <utnubuk> SubOne: ill have to start reading more about that stuff
[07:03] <martalli> Is ralink wireless support buggy?
[07:03] <os2mac> congrats guys... I just did the dist upgrade and it worked just fine...
[07:03] <os2mac> my wireless card even works out of the box.
[07:03] <martalli> I have a zonet pc-card and it just doesn't want to work with my wpa network
[07:03] <os2mac> good job.
[07:03] <martalli> os2mac - great going