[11:15] <Baorc> i tried them at different times, but they still wouldn't show up in network tools or wouldnt be added anyways
[11:15] <nass> how I get the .debs ?
[11:15] <Baorc> Veinos : this is for you http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25683
[11:15] <alej> i just installed ubuntu on a pII, but it loaded my machine with gnome..and is to heavy for it, how can i uninstall all gnome?
[11:16] <alej> is there a clean way of doing it?
[11:16] <Baorc> Veinos : also check this out http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-78442.html
[11:16] <Ribs> alej: Do a 'server' install, then you'll get a prompt a little else, you can install what you want from there.
[11:16] <shachaf> nass: Running the script with "--buildpkg Ubuntu/5.10" should generate them.
[11:16] <mjr> alej, if you're not too short on disk space, just install a lighter alternative and use it instead
[11:16] <Natdigga_> ok.  I downloaded wine now what do I do to use it :)
[11:16] <shachaf> nass: Are you running 5.10, by the way?
[11:16] <blackraven14250> I accidentally configured grub to boot from the wrong partition, how can I change is permanently?
[11:17] <nass> shachaf, yes, 5.10
[11:17] <alej> oke, but its installed already
[11:17] <Techie_dude> Baorc: is there a way i can configure my lexmark x75 printer with ubuntu without having to install drivers
[11:17] <ying> Hello, anyone hear me?
[11:17] <alej> so i shall reinstall all?
[11:17] <Veinos> (Baorc): thanks, i'll checkthis out
[11:17] <shachaf> nass:nass: Are the .debs generated when you run the script?
[11:17] <nass> shachaf, but the script hangs and does not generate .debs
[11:17] <alej> or is there a way to just wipe gnome?
[11:17] <Veinos> even though i think i being there before :)
[11:17] <Ribs> alej: That's the easiest way I can think of
[11:17] <alej> Ribs, ok, thnk
[11:17] <Ribs> alej: you could apt-get remove everything...
[11:17] <Ribs> but I dunno how many packages gnome has
[11:17] <nass> make: dh_testdir : commande introuvable --> error 27*
[11:17] <Baorc> Techie_dude : I don't think I'm the guy to be asking that, I helped Veinos because I have the same problem and have been researching for weeks on this subject, so I wouldn't know
[11:18] <alekz> anyone has a repository to get firefox 1.5 ?
[11:18] <nass> make: dh_testdir : commande introuvable --> error 127 (excuse)
[11:18] <Techie_dude> oh
[11:18] <Baorc> sorry, lol
[11:18] <Baorc> but if I had to take a guess, I would say no
[11:18] <shachaf> nass: Hangs?
[11:18] <alej> Ribs, everything named gnome  from the dpkg -L list?
[11:18] <shachaf> nass: It just takes a while, did you ^C it?
[11:19] <nass> no, it stops by itself !
[11:19] <shachaf> nass: And ls doesn't show any .debs?
[11:19] <mjr> alej, apt-get remove libgnome2-0 should remove most of the gnome stuff (since most of it depends on it), if you really want to remove it
[11:19] <gimmulF|GoAGNES> Wtf, i copied .mozilla-thunderbird/ from my last ubuntu installation and now replaced the new .mozilla-thunderbird/ dir with my backup after a clean installation but it wnt start
[11:20] <nass> no, nothing
[11:20] <alej> mjr thanks
[11:20] <cdubya> Techie_dude, wish I could help, but I've found, just as in my case (have an x3300 series on an OS X box that I'd like to spool to), but I don't have the drivers, nor will there be likely....
[11:21] <blackraven14250> excuse me, does anyone know how to change grub to boot from a different partition, and make the change permanent?
[11:21] <Ribs> blackraven14250: sudo nano -w /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:21] <Ribs> or use gedit if you prefer
[11:21] <ashley3452> hi, can somone help me out please. I want to track down where a deamon(nvtvd) is being started from, should I used a big grep or is there a better way ?
[11:22] <Ribs> You'd need to read up on grub-speak tho
[11:22] <derek> bye
[11:22] <Ribs> I'm a little rusty myself
[11:22] <blackraven14250> ok, i've been editing it manually, think it's about the same?
[11:22] <Paradosso> what font do you use in terminal?
[11:22] <conn> hi, does anyone here use freenx? How can I made the server change the fonts to 96x96dpi (it's set to 75 by default)?
[11:23] <Ribs> blackraven14250: The method I gave you is editing manually
[11:23] <Ribs> saving the file wll make the changes permanent, as you wanted.
[11:23] <calamari> blackraven: default         0
[11:23] <blackraven14250> i mean, i've been editing it manually from within grub, so it won't save changes
[11:23] <nass> shachaf, It was debhelper missing..... now it goes further..... working on it
[11:23] <calamari> blackraven14250: I'm pretty sure changing that 0 to the correct entry is what you want
[11:23] <shachaf> nass: Oh, right, I forgot that I installed those packages.
[11:24] <ashley3452> hi, can somone help me out please. I want to track down where a deamon(nvtvd) is being started from, should I used a big grep or is there a better way ?
[11:24] <nass> shachaf, and fakeroot...... how I get it ?
[11:24] <Ribs> nass: sudo apt-get install ...
[11:24] <shachaf> nass: fakeroot, debhelper, build-essential, make, module-assistant, gcc-3.4.
[11:24] <Red-Sox> snorks: r u there?
[11:24] <trappist> ashley3452: if you didn't start it manually, grep -r nvtvd /etc/init.d
[11:24] <shachaf> nass: apt-get install fakeroot, debhelper, build-essential, make, module-assistant, gcc-3.4.
[11:25] <nass> Ribs, thx. I realised it was easy only after asking.....
[11:25] <maxi> hola
[11:25] <maxi> alguien habla espaol
[11:25] <trappist> !es
[11:25] <shachaf> nass: Oops, sudo apt-get, sorry.
[11:25] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[11:25] <PokerFacePenguin> blackraven14250: if you want to, u can make it boot a different partition by default by moving it to the top of the list as well (when editing the menu.lst)
[11:25] <blackraven14250> thankls alot ribs, gonna see if it works now
[11:25] <maxi> como me conecto a ubuntu-es
[11:25] <maxi> ??
[11:26] <trappist> maxi: /join #ubuntu-es
[11:26] <maxi> okas
[11:26] <ashley3453> testing .
[11:26] <luisito> why in breezy the mail command doesn't work?
[11:26] <ashley3453> can anyone here me,...
[11:26] <jesseman_> ashley3453: you mean hear ? :)
[11:26] <_jason> ashley3453, I can read what you are typing
[11:27] <hlen> ashley3453, you can find out which package owns the binary, then see which script it's got installed
[11:27] <ashley3453> thanks guys, this client greys out my text, makes it look like its not actually being sent
[11:28] <shachaf> ashley3453: What client?
[11:28] <levander> How damn long does it take to compile the kernel?  It's been running half an hour on a dual processor, pentium iii 550 already.
[11:28] <hlen> ashley3453, dpkg -S $(which nvtvd)
[11:28] <ashley3453> x-chat
[11:28] <luisito> the mail command was eliminated?
[11:28] <ying> excuse me, anyone hear me??
[11:28] <navarone> ashely> xchat greys your text so that you see what you have types previously
[11:28] <Red-Sox> ying: what did you say?
[11:28] <eternalist> ET is the shiz
[11:28] <eternalist> what are cool games ar efor linux i wonder
[11:28] <ashley3453> hlen,  nvtv: /usr/sbin/nvtvd is the response, but i kinda already knew that
[11:28] <shachaf> nass: Is it working?
[11:29] <hlen> ashley3453, dpkg -L nvtv
[11:29] <ashley3453> where woul i alter the command line paramters for that daemon ?
[11:29] <nass> shachaf, yes, I've got the .deb
[11:29] <ashley3453> ahhh got ya
[11:29] <ashley3453> /etc/init.d/nvtv
[11:29] <nass> another stupid question...... the .deb, how do I install it ?
[11:29] <levander> nass: 'dpkg -i <filename>.deb'
[11:30] <ying> thanks. It is the first time I am here, just to make sure others can see me. I have just installed ubuntu5.1 but is unable to install KDE due to some dependency problem, do you know why?
[11:30] <navarone> nass...cd to directory it was downloaded to and in terminal type sudo dpkg -i <name>.deb
[11:30] <mr_daemon> hell there. Does anyone has any experience with Maxtor OneTouch drives?
[11:30] <mr_daemon> .... hello.
[11:30] <mr_daemon> Not hell.
[11:30] <hlen> heh
[11:31] <ashley3453> hlen, thanks for your help
[11:31] <hlen> ashley3453, sure thing
[11:31] <luisito> nobody knows nothing about what happened to the mail command!?
[11:31] <nass> levander, navarone thanks
[11:31] <hlen> luisito, you probably don't have your smtp setup right
[11:31] <navarone> np nass
[11:31] <mr_daemon> I was actually wondering if anyone got the said OneTouch button on the front of the drive to work...
[11:32] <paul__> I'm following a howto on installing Mythtv on Ubuntu and running into a problem compiling the ivtv drivers for Hauppage PVR-350. Is there some GCC version weirdness I should know about?
[11:32] <nass> shachaf, which .deb should I install ? I installed only xorg-driver-fglrx_8.19.10-1_i386, that's enough ?
[11:32] <shachaf> nass: I installed all of them.
[11:32] <ashley3453> damn ok thats not actually gonna fix my problem
[11:32] <Red-Sox> snorks: hi
[11:32] <ashley3453> does anyone know much about nvtv and tv out ?
[11:33] <luisito> hlen, it isn't that. Is that the mail command doesn't exists when I write it in the terminal
[11:33] <nass> shachaf, done. I reboot to give it a try, and report back here !
[11:33] <nasimuto> is there a command line utility which can load a string to paste ?
[11:33] <nasimuto> i.e i run a command and after running it i can paste something anywhere in X
[11:33] <luisito> hlen, that's not right
[11:33] <paul__> I did apt-get install build-essential and apt-get install linux-headers-386 but when I type make in the ivtv directory I get errors like this: make[1] : gcc-3.4: Command not found
[11:33] <shachaf> nass: Why reboot?
[11:33] <PokerFacePenguin> luisito: i run breezy, and CLI mail works for me
[11:34] <nass> shachaf, there's an other way ?
[11:34] <shachaf> nass: I don't see why a reboot would be necessary.
[11:34] <Orporg> Can someone help me get my WiFi network working with Ubuntu please?
[11:34] <hlen> luisito, try ``whereis mail''.. maybe you need the mailx package?
[11:34] <luisito> PokerFacePenguin, hmmm, then I don't have it.... so strange...
[11:34] <navarone> nass...you only need to restart x server
[11:35] <markVisiting> I'm on breezy/badger and I can't get cups-pdf to work. I have the cups-pdf.conf file installed. I get a 'failed to set file mode for PDF file' error in the cups-pdf_log file. Anyone know the magic?
[11:35] <navarone> ctrl-alt-backspace
[11:35] <ashley3453> Orporg, possibly whats wrong with it atm ?
[11:35] <nass> navarone, that's cool..... just need to learn how !
[11:35] <shachaf> navarone: X isn't working for nass (or me).
[11:35] <luisito> hlen, lets see...
[11:35] <Orporg> I'm not sure.  The card seems to be detected and working fine and I have my WEP key and other goodies configured.  I just can't seem to connect to the Internet
[11:35] <ispiked> when I try to access my shared samba files on this linux box from windows, I get prompted for a password. my password for my user on the linux box doens't work.
[11:35] <navarone> nass...try typing startx at terminal prompt
[11:35] <nass> shachaf, yes, it is, but not with ATI proprietary drivers
[11:36] <navarone> nass...okay...then restart x after closing programs
[11:36] <ashley3453> i would suggest checking the IP address settings then
[11:36] <ashley3453> do you have a router with dhcp ?
[11:36] <shachaf> nass: I thought you said it didn't.
[11:36] <nass> navarone, but how to do that ?
[11:36] <shachaf> nass: I must have misunderstood you.
[11:36] <Red-Sox> snorks: u there?
[11:36] <Orporg> The IP is set to DHCP, which is how my access point hands them out
[11:36] <navarone> nass...i already told you ctrl-alt-backspace
[11:36] <shachaf> nass: You're running from X?
[11:36] <ashley3453> can you ping your access point
[11:37] <Orporg> No, I tried
[11:37] <nass> shachaf, yes, from X. navarone oops, didn't se, sorry
[11:37] <luisito> hlen, no, I don't have it..
[11:37] <tk401> hello all
[11:37] <ashley3453> then perhaps you are not set up at the wifi layer
[11:37] <hlen> ispiked, you need to setup your samba accounts. `man mksmbpasswd' and `man smbpasswd' will help you
[11:37] <tk401> can someone help with grub please?
[11:37] <hlen> luisito, apt-get install mailx?
[11:38] <ashley3453> how sure are you that the key is correct
[11:38] <ispiked> hlen: you're sure it's not something with the folder permissions?
[11:38] <luisito> hlen, it should be in /bin by default I think, right?
[11:38] <Orporg> Quite.  I used the same key on a Windows XP machine and my iBook and it worked
[11:38] <ashley3453> ok
[11:38] <hlen> ispiked, no. if you've set it up right, it could be *shrug*
[11:38] <tk401> i have kubuntu dapper drake installed on hda1 with grub in the MBR and I have breezy on hda3, but it want grub to load from menu.lst on hda3 not hda1
[11:38] <Orporg> The access point also broadcasts its ESSID, which isn't being picked up.  I put it in manually and still no good
[11:39] <ashley3453> so in netwroking your card is configured and active
[11:39] <Orporg> Yes
[11:39] <Orporg> And I looked at the Ubuntu wiki and surprisingly, it looks as if this card is supported right out of the box.
[11:40] <ashley3453> i can't recall what i had to do to get my card to work, but i think i had to compile modules and stuff, if yours is supported out of the box, you shouldnt have to do that
[11:40] <ying> Orporg: I have the similar problem minutes ago. And it does work after I deactive the wired ethe card.
[11:41] <Orporg> Ubuntu certainly found out a lot about it.  It does detect its maker and model perfectly.
[11:41] <Orporg> I don't have a wired card in there as well.  Just the wireless
[11:41] <ashley3453> yes is the wifi set as the gateway ?
[11:41] <ashley3453> nvm , must be
[11:41] <Passion> hi
[11:41] <PokerFacePenguin> Orporg: i would set a static ip on it and add a default route and test it that way
[11:41] <ispiked> hlen: alright. I got it setup for me. any reason /home/me is shared, too? I didn't tell it to do that.
[11:42] <Orporg> I don't think the access point will hand out static IPs
[11:42] <hlen> ispiked, i think [homes]  is shared by default in your smb.conf file.
[11:42] <Orporg> And if I turn off DHCP it'll bollocks up the rest of the machines using it
[11:43] <ispiked> hlen: is there a way to get this setup so people don't have to login?
[11:43] <tk401> can someone help with grub please?
[11:43] <PokerFacePenguin> Orporg: if you are using private addressing with your router, then you probably arent handing out the entire range of possible ips....set it outside of the dhcp lease pool
[11:43] <cjfs> hi!
[11:43] <shachaf> nass: Nass, I think I got it working.
[11:43] <hlen> ispiked, probably. i have no experience with that though
[11:44] <nass> shachaf, yes !!!
[11:44] <shachaf> nass: Try running "fglrxconfig".
[11:44] <nass> I think it is still not good for me
[11:44] <Orporg> I have no idea what you're talking about, sorry.  It's a pretty simple access point.
[11:44] <nass> fglrxinfo says : OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[11:44] <Orporg> I know it can't do MAC address filtering
[11:44] <PokerFacePenguin> Orporg: is it finding the AP?
[11:44] <shachaf> nass: fglrxconfig, not fglrxinfo.
[11:44] <Sanne> tk401: better describe your problem, so anybody who knows hoe to help can just jump in :)
[11:44] <JptrDuo> hey when's Firefox 1.5 and OOo 2.0 stable (not beta) gonna be in breezy backports?
[11:44] <shachaf> nass: Do you have that?
[11:45] <ying> Orporg: r u able to ping the router?
[11:45] <Mabus06> To anyone who's interested; Firefox 1.5 is signifigantly faster than the old version. However, it makes the layout of many pages very screwy. And they say they improved popup support, but on this one site I never used to get popups, and now I do so...
[11:45] <Orporg> No, not as far as I can tell.  And I can't ping it.  I even used the "iwconfig" scan thing.  Nothing turned up
[11:45] <nass> shachaf, yes
[11:45] <Orporg> I'm using said access point with mIRC right now, so I know it's working
[11:45] <PokerFacePenguin> Orporg: sudo dhclient  in a terminal window
[11:45] <tk401> please help with GRUB: i have kubuntu dapper drake installed on hda1 with grub in the MBR and I have breezy on hda3, but it want grub to load from menu.lst on hda3 not hda1
[11:45] <JptrDuo> heh that's they get for majorly redoing CSS
[11:45] <shachaf> nass: Run that, and it'll make another xorg.conf.
[11:45] <Sanne> Mabus06: in what way does Firefox 1.5 makes pages layout screwy?
[11:46] <PokerFacePenguin> oh, its not recog..nvrmnd
[11:46] <shachaf> nass: Make a backup of your old one first.
[11:46] <Mabus06> Sanne, there are buttons in this one page I frequent. They now all overlap each other.
[11:46] <Orporg> All right
[11:46] <Orporg> I am getting a string of data that seems to continually update itself
[11:46] <Sanne> Mabus06: usually those effects are due to crappy HTML, as Firefox is one of the most standards compliant browser. Can I have a look at the page?
[11:47] <hlen> tk401, what i'd try to do is let grub use hda1 and merge the relevant sections from (hda3)/path/to/menu.lst to (hda1)/path/to/menu.lst. but that's me.
[11:47] <Mabus06> Sanne, actually no, you can't. The buttons appear after the login screen and it takes up to 2 days to get your account verified.
[11:47] <vasc> hello. i was trying to compile alsa following the instructions here: http://www.planetamd64.com/index.php?showtopic=11465&st=0&p=110775&#entry110775
[11:47] <nass> shachaf, I don't think it'll help, because there is still the same message in xorg.log : Kernel Module version does *not* match driver.
[11:47] <gimmulF|GoAGNES> Whats the best way installing java?
[11:47] <Sanne> Mabus06: oh, bummer. I'm interested because I'm a webdeveloper myself and am supposed to know about those things ;)
[11:48] <vasc> but i get this error: "You don't have the compiler that your kernel was built with installed
[11:48] <vasc> ". btw i am using kubuntu breezy here.
[11:48] <_jason> ubotu, tell gimmulF|GoAGNES about javadebs
[11:48] <tk401> hlen: thank you, dapper drake setup already did that, but since i use breezy mainly, i wanted to take advantage of automatic grub menu entries for new kernels
[11:48] <Orporg> It says: No working leases in persistent database - sleeping.
[11:48] <Orporg> And No DHCPOFFERS received.
[11:48] <PokerFacePenguin> Orporg: what does ifconfig say?
[11:49] <gimmulF|GoAGNES> _jason:  dpkg -i on all thoose packages?
[11:49] <_jason> gimmulF|GoAGNES, no
[11:49] <Mabus06> Sanne, I could show you the source code for that page but it's in PHP so I don't know if the part that's causing the error is viewable to me or whatever
[11:49] <Orporg> For wlan0 it says: Link encap: Ethernet. Scope: Link, etc.  And no packets have been exchanged.
[11:50] <JptrDuo> Anyone have any idea of when Firefox 1.5 is gonna be in backports, unless the packages from mozilla.com will seamlessly integrate their available install into apt/dpkg?
[11:50] <PokerFacePenguin> Orporg: does it say up?
[11:50] <ispiked> hlen: do I need to run any command to update changes I made to smb.conf? restart the server possibly?
[11:50] <_jason> gimmulF|GoAGNES, just the jre
[11:50] <Orporg> Yes.  UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU: 1500
[11:50] <_jason> gimmulF|GoAGNES, unless you want the sdk... then you would do that
[11:50] <Sanne> Mabus06: you could just do a page/save as in firefox and paste the html you will get from that somewhere. I would be very grateful.
[11:51] <gimmulF|GoAGNES> _jason:  that instals into firefox also?
[11:51] <_jason> gimmulF|GoAGNES, it should
[11:51] <PokerFacePenguin> Orporg: type route in a terminal window and see if you have routes to the router.
[11:51] <_z_> hello. i'm using hoary and just noticed something weird on mount: it seems "/dev" is mounted on "/.dev", anyone know what this might be?
[11:51] <Sanne> Mabus06: or even simpler: view page source, and paste that.
[11:51] <hlen> ispiked, yes
[11:51] <Orporg> None.
[11:51] <Mabus06> Sanne, yeah was gonna do the view source and pastebin
[11:51] <hlen> ispiked, killall -HUP smbd
[11:51] <Sanne> Mabus06: cool, thanks :)
[11:51] <qt2-2> does google video work with the current version of firefox packaged with ubuntu? x.x;
[11:52] <PokerFacePenguin> Orporg: sounds like dhcp not sending you an ip....could be router needs a reboot...mine hoses up like that sometimes
[11:52] <JptrDuo> I believe awhile ago google video was Windoze only, havent followed it for awhile tho
[11:52] <_jason> qt2-2, google video uses a flash player as long as flash works, it should work
[11:52] <Comrade_Vladimir> what type of file system does ubuntu run on fat32?
[11:52] <everton> i'm trying to install the "task-c-devel" package, but I couldn't find any server that has got this... could anybody help me? Do anybody know the line that I should write in sources.list do get it?
[11:52] <hlen> ispiked, i assume you've used testparm(1) already
[11:52] <Orporg> I actually ended up pulling the power and plugging it back in.  So it got a reboot
[11:52] <ispiked> hlen: that didn't feel to gracefull.
[11:52] <qt2> _jason, i know trat much, but it plays about have a second of video, no audio, and then jsut stops.
[11:52] <ispiked> hlen: my internet closed off for a second.
[11:52] <shachaf> nass: Hmm.
[11:53] <_jason> qt2, strange, I've viewed videos fine with it... is your flash player ok otherwise?
[11:53] <qt2> _jason, i can use the bar to seek and it'll pick up playing for another 1/2 a second, and it'll do the same thing, and stop again
[11:53] <nass> shachaf, still here ?
[11:53] <JptrDuo> qt2: are you using the macromedia installer or some OSS flash thing?
[11:53] <qt2> _jason, hm, any way i could test to see if flash is broken?
[11:53] <Orporg> I'm pretty sure DHCP isn't handing out an IP to Linux
[11:53] <PokerFacePenguin> Orporg: wait a min or two and issue the sudo dhclient wlan0
[11:53] <qt2> JptrDuo, i hoinestly dont remember ^.^;
[11:54] <_jason> qt2, do other flash things work ok?
[11:54] <JptrDuo> if firefox installed it "automatically" it's probably macromedia
[11:54] <Orporg> It's trying to discover again.  But nothings happening.
[11:55] <tk401> does anyone know how to change the /boot partition that grub uses?
[11:55] <_jason> qt2, how did you install flash?
[11:55] <qt2> _jason, dont remember, i tihnk it was with easu ubuntu or something.
[11:55] <qt2> _jason, in about:plugins, flash is listed twice though.
[11:55] <Red-Sox> bbiab
[11:55] <Comrade_Vladimir> i tried it with fat32 and ntfs which is it
[11:55] <erUSUL> !flash
[11:55] <ubotu> it has been said that flash is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:55] <qt2> one being libflashplayer.so, and the other being libflash-mozplugin.so
[11:55] <ispiked> hlen: will sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart work, too?
[11:56] <trinidad> anyone here have an i810 chipset working with breezy?
[11:56] <Mabus06> Sanne, http://pastebin.ca/32169
[11:56] <qt2> hm :/
[11:56] <Black_Hat> guys ive got a question
[11:56] <Orporg> Once again.  No IP discoveries
[11:56] <Sanne> Mabus06: thanks, looking now.
[11:56] <trinidad> Black_Hat,
[11:56] <trinidad> ?
[11:56] <Black_Hat> im running ubuntu on my ibook...
[11:56] <Trackilizer> !java
[11:56] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[11:56] <JptrDuo> trinidad: i810 what? video? audio?
[11:56] <Black_Hat> can i run ndiswrappers since its ppc?
[11:56] <shachaf> nass: X is working for me, and I think it's with the ATI drivers.
[11:56] <trinidad> JptrDuo, video
[11:57] <shachaf> nass: How would I find out?
[11:57] <trinidad> JptrDuo, with a 1905fp delll lcd
[11:57] <hlen> ispiked, yes
[11:57] <JptrDuo> i810 stuff works fine for me but it's not by any means gonna be as great as a dedicated video card since it's onboard
[11:57] <navarone> Comrade> Linux runs on ext2, ext3, reiser...fat32 and ntfs are windows file systems...although linux can access both. However ntfs will be read only in linux
[11:57] <Comrade_Vladimir> hello?
[11:57] <erUSUL> Black_Hat, no
[11:57] <JptrDuo> but mine's fine for planetpenguinracer (new tuxracer) and stuff
[11:57] <Mabus06> Sanne, it's the "show all" and "hide all" buttons that overlap. If you find something please let me know so I can forward it to the admins.
[11:57] <PokerFacePenguin> Orporg: that is why i would set a static ip....is the network running private addressing behind the router?  ie. 192.168.x.x
[11:57] <nass> shachaf, test with glxgears, you'll see if 3D acceleration works (ATI drivers) or not
[11:58] <Orporg> I don't know how to find out.
[11:58] <trinidad> JptrDuo, thats good to hear!  Everywhere I've read, there are problems with the i810 chipset and hoary with an lcd
[11:58] <PokerFacePenguin> Orporg: is it home or work lan?
[11:58] <johnny___> how do find the diffrents rooms in irc
[11:58] <johnny___> isit possible
[11:58] <trinidad> I have hoary and recently upgraded the monitor to an LCD 19" dell
[11:58] <_jason> qt2, hrmm I have mplayer-plugin playing "google video" in about:plugins... maybe that would help you.
[11:58] <alej> so i decided to leave gnome and its 200megas, but i will like to avoid it from launching after boot, what file do i have to edit to remain in console?
[11:58] <trinidad> like many, it is not working
[11:58] <JptrDuo> does it say the same stuff about breezy?
[11:58] <erUSUL> johnny___, /list
[11:59] <Orporg> Home.  The setup is as follows:  The DSL modem to goes a router.  An Ethernet cable snakes a long way to the access point.  The access point then broadcasts wireless signal.
[11:59] <johnny___> :)
[11:59] <navarone> johnny> in xchat go to windows/channel listings and refresh...you can alos filter the channels if you are looking for a particular one. Type in name and press enter in the "regex" field
[11:59] <trinidad> i have googled hi and low and have found nothing pertaining to breezy, however, iI did find that it mentions xorg having the issue but not hoary in particular
[11:59] <johnny___> im in console
[11:59] <trinidad> however, i have kubuntu 5.10 on another partition and it seems to work fine
[11:59] <shachaf> nass: glxgears is smooth for a second, and then it stops being smooth.
[11:59] <trinidad> I'm currently upgrading to breezy 5.10 as we speak
[12:00] <trinidad> hoefully all goes well


[13:12] <LocutusOfBorg> hello mhcerri, houston we have a problem
[13:12] <LocutusOfBorg> autopkgtest for virtualbox-hwe/6.1.18-dfsg-2ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>: amd64: Pass, arm64: Regression ♻ , armhf: Test in progress, i386: Ignored failure, ppc64el: Regression ♻ , s390x: Regression ♻
[13:13] <LocutusOfBorg> somewhat the patch broke it...


[00:01] <MBarvian> hi guys
[00:02] <MBarvian> I was wondering where I could find some more info on unity-panel-service?
[00:02] <MBarvian> erm, any info :P
[10:07] <zniavre> good morning
[10:08] <zniavre> how to use modal/dialog new way without unity/unity-2d please ?
[10:08] <zniavre> this is a compiz setting ?  (unity-2d certainly not)
[10:09] <zniavre> im using gnome3 classic session (unity can't work with my hardware)
[10:13] <zniavre> http://i.imgur.com/LMVzT.png  > check synaptic password window ...
[18:48] <conencaje> Hello?? There are someone?
[18:49] <conencaje> Can someone answer me?


[02:07] <photon> #kubuntu+1 redirects here, that's why I ask here:  will Kubuntu 12.04 LTS desktop version also be supported for 5 years just as Ubuntu 12.04?
[02:20] <psusi> photon, yes
[02:28] <photon> psusi: Darkwing in #kubuntu is saying they haven't decided yet.
[02:30]  * penguin42 hopes it will
[02:30] <penguin42> but long term support is not easy
[02:30] <photon> penguin42: why do you hope it will? also planning on switching away from Unity?
[02:31] <penguin42> photon: Already have on my main machine
[02:31] <photon> Watcha using?
[02:31] <penguin42> KDE
[02:31] <psusi> photon, well kubuntu IS ubuntu so... maybe what they haven't decided on is supporting the desktop, i.e. the kde packages, for the full 5 instead of 3 years?
[02:32] <photon> maybe, psusi
[02:33] <photon> I tried Kubuntu about 2 years ago but it was buggy as hell for me.
[02:33] <psusi> photon, of course, imho, it doesn't matter much either way since the long term "support" is only security fixes
[02:34] <photon> that's all I'm looking for.
[02:34] <psusi> any desktop user should be upgrading as soon as the next lts comes out anyhow or they are still stuck with 2+ year old applications
[02:35] <psusi> LTS is really for server admins who don't want to break what's working and usually don't care about getting new features
[02:35] <penguin42> psusi: No!
[02:35] <psusi> rather then 5 year part anyhow
[02:36] <penguin42> psusi: Some of use LTS on work laptops
[02:36] <photon> as long as they work and are patched for security holes, it doesn't bother me. I have wasted so much time re-configuring and bug-hunting whenever I upgraded that I'd be glad to stay with 5 year old software if it means it's secure and WORKS. :)
[02:36] <photon> it's sort of like people using Win XP, even though it's quite old.
[02:36] <psusi> not really... because they may still be running xp, but they have upgraded all of the applications they care about
[02:38] <penguin42> psusi: I run (besides other stuff) a bunch of apps that I need to run for work, and I can't be bothered fighting to see if thyey can be made to work on latest; at home I run latest
[02:41] <psusi> penguin42, that makes sense to me for using LTS instead of the 6 month releases... but you can't be bothered to ugprade to the next LTS every 2 years?
[02:41] <penguin42> psusi: Oh yeh, I'm fine with that
[02:41] <psusi> I mean, a lot changes in 2 years...  sticking with say, 6 releases behind of firefox is kinda.... ick
[02:43] <penguin42> yeh, I just get good old 3.whatever with whatever security fixes they gave it recently
[02:46] <photon> penguin42: from your experience, how's Kubuntu? are you happy with it?
[02:47] <penguin42> photon: Yep
[02:47] <penguin42> photon: I'm still running the Oneiric Kubuntu on that machine; heavy web browsing, dev, playing music; sometimes gets a little confused with PA, but hey that's PA
[02:51] <bjsnider> lts releases are also for people who want to wait until stuff like unity is more mature before switching
[02:51] <bjsnider> non-lts releases aren't always stable
[02:55] <micahg> psusi: precise will stay on rapid release for Firefox
[03:05] <psusi> micahg, you mean abandon SRU philosophy?
[03:05] <photon> penguin42: cool. in what way confused with PA? Does it crash? .. and have you ever tried Xubuntu?
[03:05] <micahg> psusi: Firefox has a microrelease exception
[03:05] <micahg> psusi: with a 6 week release and support cadence, we don't have another option
[03:05] <psusi> micahg, interesting... that is the only exception?
[03:05] <micahg> psusi: no, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates/MicroReleaseExceptions
[03:05]  * psusi still does't understand why mozilla decided to push a release every 6 weeks...
[03:06] <penguin42> psusi: Probably because they have to do the security updates anyway
[03:06] <bjsnider> it's a violation of the rule of major release numbers
[03:06] <bjsnider> they're doing patch releases and changing the major number
[03:06] <psusi> penguin42, yea, but the whole reason you do security updates is to avoid causing breakage by merging all of the new features too
[03:06] <penguin42> indeed
[03:06] <psusi> bjsnider, yea, that is what it seems like to me too
[03:06] <micahg> psusi: http://blog.johnath.com/2011/07/18/every-six-weeks/
[03:06] <bjsnider> i don't know if that's an "official" rule or not, but they shouldn't be changing the major number without adding major new features or changes
[03:06] <psusi> an uppdate every 6 weeks is one thing... but bumping the major number every time?  wtf?
[03:06] <psusi> micahg, the cadence makes sense to me... bumping the major rev each time does not
[03:06] <psusi> I mean we've gone from version 4 to version 8... in a year or two we'll be at what?  27?
[03:07] <micahg> we're at chromium 15 already
[03:07] <psusi> that's nuts
[03:24] <bjsnider> yes but everything google codes is marked beta so they've got an excuse
[03:24] <bjsnider> i'm using chromium 17
[05:08] <dr3mro> hello guys.. will ubuntu 11.04 feature full migration to dconf ?
[05:08] <dr3mro> gtk3 ?
[05:09] <dr3mro> hello guys.. will ubuntu 12.04 feature full migration to dconf ? gtk3 ?
[10:04] <FernandoMiguel> how can there be no updates in the last 12h ?
[10:04] <FernandoMiguel> are the build servers down?
[12:02] <geser> I just did an upgrade and there where updated packages
[13:14] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:14] <sagaci> hi BluesKaj
[14:17] <BluesKaj> hi sagaci
[16:03] <genii-around> Nice, the previously weird edges and scrollbars of gtk apps under kubuntu is fixed after this last update.
[16:04] <BluesKaj> genii-around, I'm finding 12.04 has fixed quite a few issue I had with kde windows "look" and fonts etc
[16:05] <BluesKaj> fewer plasma crashes
[16:33] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Up to yesterday they were looking like this for me:  http://imagebin.org/185443
[16:37] <BluesKaj> right , i use a very simple theme for both desktop and windows appearance due to themes inablilty to play nice on plasma without crashing
[16:37] <BluesKaj> genii-around, ^
[16:38] <genii-around> Right now I'm using "Glassified" , all seems well
[16:39] <BluesKaj> my desktop effects settings might affect plasma's stability too
[16:41] <BluesKaj> i'm using the gt7600 you sent me, on this pc , an entry level dual core amd64 cpu
[16:43] <BluesKaj> the 7600gt works very well for this TV , dvi to hdmi ,  genii-around
[16:59] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Here's a shot of my current desktop with some things open for illustrative purposes
[16:59] <genii-around> http://imagebin.org/185447
[17:04] <BluesKaj> looks cool and clean genii-around :)
[17:07] <genii-around> BluesKaj: I'm pretty happy with it for now. You can tell they've done quite a lot of work improving the network widget. I have it open to show that if you set the interface in /etc/network/interfaces it won't show thoroughput
[17:09] <BluesKaj> genii-around was going upload to imagebin but due to the size of the desktop image , it's a no-go ..using our plasma tv as a monitor
[17:14] <BluesKaj> genii-around, resized the image ...it might still be a bit large http://imagebin.org/185453
[17:29] <BluesKaj> genii-around, this one has /home/user dolphin http://imagebin.org/185455
[17:30] <BluesKaj> simple look for stability ...I haven't tried any themes with alot of contrasts , they seem cause plasma crashes on my setup
[17:42] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Nice
[21:12] <BluesKaj> BBL, stuff to do
[22:36]  * alex_mayorga wonders how many laptops are seriously malfunctioning on Pangolin
[23:26] <penguin42> alex_mayorga: In which particular way (haven't tried it)


[00:06] <crankypuss> Q: knode seems not in the 16.04 repository.  is thunderbird the only gui nntp client in the repos, what are people actually using for nntp?
[00:49] <jordany> hello!
[00:49] <jordany> in my first visit in the site
[00:53] <jordany> ...
[07:23] <zwx> HH
[11:13] <ubuntu-mate> hi
[11:14] <ubuntu-mate> i can't install ubuntu mate why?
[11:14] <ubuntu-mate>  it keep lagging
[11:18] <ubuntu-mate> thnx
[11:18] <ubuntu-mate>  i have a question?
[11:19] <ubuntu-mate>  can i run windows program on ubuntu- mate
[11:24] <aranud87> you can try with playonlinux or wine
[11:25] <ubuntu-mate> @aranud87 thnx
[11:26] <ubuntu-mate> what u think the best program i must have on ubuntu-mate useful
[11:27] <aranud87> i rarely use ubuntu-mate sorry ^
[11:28] <ubuntu-mate> no problem thank u man
[11:38] <ubuntu-mate> hi did any one know  how to install programs on ubuntu mate i don't see any store here
[12:21] <alkisg> ubuntu-mate: there's a "software boutique" in the menus
[12:21] <alkisg> You can also run `sudo apt-get install gnome-software` to get a better one
[12:22] <ubuntu-mate> thank u
[13:01] <crankypuss> g'morning all
[14:44] <crankypuss> does anyone other than me see this message?
[15:19] <Akuli> lol
[16:45] <Guest88690> Hello?
[16:47] <Guest70929> Kawaii
[16:47] <Guest88690> Hi, is there anyone have problem with nvidia drivers problem?
[16:47] <Guest70929> no
[16:48] <Guest88690> I've installed through additional drivers and terminal as well but still not showing full options in nvidia settings.
[16:48] <Guest70929> i was going to leave!
[16:49] <Guest70929> but ill stay a little longer
[16:51] <Guest70929> sorry i have to go. by!
[16:57] <Guest88690> oh bummer
[17:22] <kortalh> Does anyone know if there's a way to make the Mate Dock applet only show unpinned icons showing on the current workspace/monitor? There is a "Workspaces" option in its settings that sounds like it *should* do this, but it doesn't seem to work... I'm on Mate 16.10 with Dock 0.75.
[17:48] <faufa> helo
[20:43] <mate|94138> Would welcome any insight on how to connect sound to my system. I am using a viewsonic VX2245 connected with DVI./Hdmi. Don't know if a new monitor using hdmi on both ends would solve the problem or not. Any thoughts/ Comments?
[20:44] <mate|94138> Add to the above comment: My computer is the Intel NUC 3217IYE
[20:44] <Akuli> you want to use the screen's sound?
[20:44] <Akuli> i mean speakers
[20:45] <mate|94138> At this point I would accept to tin cans joined by a piece of string.
[20:45] <Akuli> ok
[20:45] <Akuli> got it
[20:46] <Akuli> if you can't get hdmi sound working you can get an old pair of computer speakers somewhere, people often have them hanging around
[20:47] <mate|94138> Didn't mean to be flip, but I've battled this thing every way I know how. I have a set of good speakers that have worked will but there does not appear to be a way to extract the sound signal from the NIC. There is no audio output jack post.
[20:50] <Akuli> what do you have in your sound settings?
[20:50] <Akuli> system -> preferences -> sound
[20:51] <mate|94138> I don't know if such a thing exists, but an adapter HDMI plug modified to pass thru the audio to an output 3.5mm jack "female" might work.
[20:52] <Akuli> wait, your computer doesn't have a 3.5mm thingy?
[20:54] <mate|94138> No..That's a peculiarity of the Intel NUC mini-computers. Apparently the audio is digitally passed thru the HDMI cable.
[20:54] <Akuli> that's awesome
[20:55] <Akuli> such thing probably doesn't exist, and if it does it's going to be expensive because it needs to convert from digital to analog audio :(
[20:56] <Akuli> maybe someone has an old computer with a sound card that fits your computer?
[20:56] <Akuli> or are you on a laptop?
[20:56]  * Akuli googles for the computer model
[20:56] <SuperEngineer>  https://www.humblebundle.com/gift?key=6RMRpBVhACqdMhZ4 [Steam link for gifted VVVVV if wanted].  If used, please donate to Humble Bundle recipipients.
[20:57] <Akuli> mate|94138, you know what
[20:57] <mate|94138> I suspected as much. I wonder if the new monitors have an HDMI port as opposed to just the DVI connection port.
[20:57] <Akuli> mate|94138, https://www.thinkpenguin.com/files/sound-adapter_0.jpg
[20:57] <Akuli> i have one of those
[20:57] <Akuli> (well a similar thing)
[20:57] <Akuli> and its awesome
[20:57] <Akuli> plug n listen :)
[20:59] <mate|94138> Akuli, thats a USB, but it might works as well. I'll see if amazon can get me one on the way. THanks
[20:59] <Akuli> yes it is usb
[20:59] <Akuli> these things are great, they are cheap and you can be 100% sure its gonna work
[20:59] <Akuli> of course, buy one that doesn't come with a windows driver cd :)
[21:00] <mate|94138> Wonderful!!..I'm ON it..Bye for now...


[00:04] <rick_h_> cmaloney: http://googlecreativelab.github.io/coder/ for your pi project ideas
[00:14] <rick_h_> it's interesting how google projects like coder and https://github.com/google/hesokuri are github based
[01:28] <jrwren> rick_h_: kids are creative. single lego sets keep them entertained for a LONG LONG time
[01:28] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, I'm with you. I grew up that way. Big drawer full of pieces
[01:28] <rick_h_> I'm not up for the whole theme'd sets these days
[01:29] <jrwren> we have my wifes leftovers from when she was a kid. so some good non-themes
[01:30] <rick_h_> wish I had my old legos
[01:30] <rick_h_> would be awesome
[01:30] <jrwren> the city series is closest to nontheme
[01:30] <jrwren> you can get a nice box set of those and just throw away the 'instructions'
[01:30] <rick_h_> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000WNUU6Y/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002UD8P4S/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005VPRDD6/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_4?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A2HLPMEQWRZIWK
[01:30] <rick_h_> I think are the first order to make
[01:31] <jrwren> UNFORTUNATELY my SIL got the kid lego "friends" so we have some pink shit
[01:31] <rick_h_> lol
[01:31] <jrwren> they all look GOOD
[01:31] <jrwren> you get those, you'll be set for a good long while.
[01:31] <rick_h_> yep
[11:35] <cmaloney> Happy Programmer's Day!
[11:35] <cmaloney> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programmers%27_Day
[11:58] <rick_h_> wife's birthday won out
[11:58] <rick_h_> which means...
[14:08] <rick_h_> OMG I didn't know futures was backported and avail on pre py3.2! http://pythonhosted.org/futures/
[16:20] <mathomastech> Who's all doing the Ubuntu Jam this weekend?
[17:21] <brousch> I started making my Make/Fabric thing for Windows. I'm calling it "Director". The command to run (make/fab) is 'direct' and the file with the instructions will be called 'directions'
[17:24] <rick_h_> very cool
[17:43] <jrwren> anyone know why there is post-12.04.3 amis released on 20130909 ?
[17:43] <jrwren> is there a news feed or something for these ami releases?
[18:26] <cmaloney> I'll be doing some jamming this weekend
[18:26] <cmaloney> but it'll be off and on
[18:32] <mathomastech> cmaloney: Awesome, I am going to try and spend some time in the evenings saturday and sunday to hack away on something. I saw there was Ubuntu Touch related stuff on the list, so I will probably be looking at that.
[18:35] <mathomastech> cmaloney: Is there going to be a Google Hangout or something for everyone to join in on?
[18:45] <cmaloney> Um, if there isn't one started, fee free to start it
[19:06] <brousch> cmaloney: You should have a hangout going all weekend from your kitchen
[19:09] <mathomastech> Just have a computer hosting the hangout in the Carribou in Royal Oak. Weekend coffeehouse coders!
[19:09] <mathomastech> Or Petes coffee I think their new name is.
[19:11] <cmaloney> brousch: I empower you to do that. :)
[19:12] <cmaloney> mathomastech: It's not a Peet's quite yet
[19:12] <brousch> You empower me to host a hangout from your kitchen?
[19:13] <brousch> http://pastebin.com/gdr5Bir5
[19:13] <brousch> Python problem. I cannot figure out how to do that
[19:21] <rick_h_> brousch: duh.getattr('h')
[19:21] <rick_h_> ?
[19:21] <rick_h_> err, duh.getattr(x)
[19:23] <rick_h_> brousch: sorry, getattr(duh, x)
[19:24] <brousch> hm, might work
[19:28] <cmaloney> OK, I abandoned obnam again
[19:28] <cmaloney> seems the deduping slows down for my usage
[19:34] <mathomastech> Appologies for all the connects and disconnects. Modifying my weechat.conf and irc.conf files. I am done now though...for today :)
[19:35] <brousch> rick_h_: That worked. You are genius.
[19:41] <rick_h_> brousch: :)
[19:43] <brousch> If I had a cookie you would win it


[07:27]  * mhb waits for Arby to appear
[07:27] <mhb> morning my dears!
[07:27] <mhb> :o)
[07:32] <Nightrose> morning mhb ;-)
[07:33] <mhb> hi Nightrose, what's up?
[07:33] <Nightrose> getting ready for linuxtag
[07:33] <Nightrose> leaving in 1.5 hours
[07:33] <mhb> ah
[07:34] <Nightrose> man I should have stayed for uds - you guys seemed to have fun there ;-)
[07:34] <mhb> oh we so had :o)
[07:34] <Nightrose> :P
[07:37] <mhb> Nightrose: well, sometimes :o)
[07:37] <Nightrose> heh
[07:38] <mhb> Nightrose: sessions are usually quite sessiony
[07:38] <Nightrose> *lol* yea
[07:44] <mhb> Nightrose: is linuxtag just fun or are you planning to do some serious stuff as well?
[07:45] <Nightrose> hmm there will be some discussion on important things of course but it is not like uds for example
[07:46] <Nightrose> hmm and i will work at the amarok/kubuntu/kde booths and do 2 talks together with 2 others
[07:46] <mhb> all in german, right?
[07:47] <Nightrose> there are some english talks as well
[07:47] <Nightrose> like aaron's keynote
[07:49] <mhb> hmm
[07:50] <mhb> I'm not a fan of those, but okay.
[07:51] <Nightrose> of aaron's keynotes? ;-)
[07:51] <mhb> (primarily because I'm not a big fan of plasma, which is more or less what Aaron's KDE4 is.)
[07:51] <Nightrose> hehe
[07:51] <mhb> of keynotes in general, I'd say :o)
[07:51] <Nightrose> ;-)
[07:52] <mhb> well, if Aaron was unveiling some fancy new hardware or a cool finished project, then I'd change my mind :o)
[07:52] <Nightrose> :P we'll see
[07:53] <mhb> "I know nobody has found plasma any more useful than what we had for KDE3. But behold..."
[07:54] <Nightrose> hehe
[07:54]  * Nightrose likes plasma
[07:55] <mhb> Nightrose: likes as in found something that outweights the crashing and the resource use?
[07:56] <Nightrose> doesn't use enough resources here to make me care and doesn't crash einther lately
[07:56] <Nightrose> -n
[07:57] <Nightrose> and the applets that will come with 4.1 are sweet
[07:57] <mhb> like what, the icons?
[07:57] <mhb> I mean that silly file view
[07:58] <Nightrose> yea for example
[07:58] <Nightrose> or the parley applet
[07:58] <mhb> it takes a lot of place and still can't display more than a 10 icons
[07:58] <mhb> a great thing indeed
[07:58] <Nightrose> it can display more than that
[07:59] <mhb> yes, if you resize it so it takes your whole screen, but still, I bet it shows a lot less icons than KDE3 could
[07:59] <mhb> and also, it makes your desktop black
[07:59] <Nightrose> possible - but i stopped using my desktop as a place to store files the day i switched to kde 4
[07:59] <Nightrose> and it was refreshing
[07:59] <mhb> right
[08:00] <nixternal> only windows users store files on their desktop :p
[08:00] <Nightrose> hehe
[08:00] <mhb> nixternal: only short-sighted KDE4 fans say that
[08:00] <mhb> :o)
[08:01] <nixternal> man, I was bashing my head adding some stuff to systemsettings in trunk, especially a freakin' "Help" icon, come to find out there were also settings in ~/.kde4/share/apps/systemsettings that was preventing my changes from appearing
[08:01] <nixternal> silly file locations
[08:01] <Nightrose> heh
[08:01] <mhb> nixternal: hmm, systemsettings
[08:01] <nixternal> I have never in my life stored anything on the desktop...I never get to see it in the first place
[08:02] <nixternal> though, I am not a fan of that icon thing right now in trunk
[08:02] <mhb> nixternal: right, but then again, that's not the approach of most of the people
[08:02] <mhb> I'm so not :o)
[08:03] <nixternal> I close that out first thing, shrink my plasma bar, and rock on
[08:03] <mhb> nixternal: I'm all for being able not to have icons on the desktop, but if we just remove it because you and a bunch of other hardcore KDE guys do it... that's not nice
[08:03] <nixternal> I agree
[08:04] <nixternal> and I must say, that glass theme on kde-look.org for plasma is super hot!
[08:04] <mhb> not just Windows puts icons on the desktop by default, Mac OS X does, too. So all our competitors who are ahead of us in market share do that. Are you really sure we don't want to impress users of those systems?
[08:05] <mhb> GNOME does, too.
[08:05] <nixternal> actually, Vista doesn't put icons on the desktop anymore, and when you do "show all files" type of deal, you get all of the retarded hidden files on the desktop now
[08:05] <nixternal> and if you delete them, you have silly effects next log in
[08:06] <mhb> right, so we're trying to mimic Vista right now?
[08:06] <mhb> is that the plan?
[08:06] <mhb> :o)
[08:06] <mhb> Vista drops it, we drop it?
[08:06] <nixternal> yup
[08:06] <nixternal> I think once that desktop icon thing is fixed up and finalized, it may be different...but as it stands, it is kind of silly
[08:07] <nixternal> and kde3 + compiz || gnome + compiz is way slower than kde4 kwin in trunk
[08:08] <mhb> yes, except a WORKSFORME, b does not
[08:08] <nixternal> well, it is on 3 desktops, one with nvidia, one with ati, and one with intel and it works
[08:08] <nixternal> to bad compiz never had a WORKSFORME
[08:09] <mhb> right, so it's just our desktops :o) anyway
[08:09] <nixternal> anywho, it is 02:00 here and I am dead tired
[08:09] <nixternal> g'nite
[08:09] <mhb> night
[08:11] <Nightrose> good night nixternal
[08:11]  * Nightrose should really get ready
[08:11] <Nightrose> the guys will show up in less than an hour to pick me up
[08:47] <mhb> hey Arby
[08:55] <Arby> morning mhb
[08:56] <mhb> Arby: I've checked out the code
[08:56] <Arby> mhb: and you're opinion is?
[08:56] <mhb> Arby: looks okay
[08:56] <mhb> Arby: I'm not very happy about the aboutdata either
[08:57] <Arby> mhb: I looked at that some more.
[08:57] <mhb> Arby: also, I'm not happy about calling the KIcon directly
[08:57] <Arby> mhb: I could't find a good solution to it
[08:57] <Arby> just a number of equally bad ones
[08:57] <mhb> which is what I did because there's no facility for that in Qt
[08:57] <Arby> mhb: what do you suggest instead for icons?
[08:58] <mhb> well you can access icons via KGlobal, or what's it called in KDE4
[08:58] <mhb> it actually fetches the icon from the icon set, which is better
[08:58] <mhb> provided the icon is actually in the icon theme
[08:59] <Arby> ok, didn't know that
[08:59] <Arby> I'll look into it
[08:59] <Arby> (am at work now)
[08:59] <mhb> right
[08:59] <mhb> take your time, it's no rush
[09:00] <Arby> would the jockey icons be in the standard set, doesn't jockey have it's own icons?
[09:02] <Riddell> you should be able to do just KIcon("foo")
[09:03] <Riddell> most of the icons will be standard icons, others can be installed to the global locations
[09:03] <Arby> Riddell: that's what I did, mhb is advising against it.
[09:04] <mhb> no, actually
[09:04] <Arby> oh, then I miss understood
[09:04] <mhb> Riddell: by "foo" you mean "direct path" or name?
[09:05] <Riddell> just name
[09:05] <Riddell> no path
[09:05] <mhb> right
[09:06] <Arby> ok I see
[09:06] <Arby> I'll look into it
[09:06] <mhb> ok, and one other suggestion
[09:06] <mhb> why are you not using the default jockey-kde branch?
[09:06] <mhb> I mean the one I set up, which any member of kubuntu-users has access to
[09:07] <Arby> because I did't know that until now
[09:07] <Arby> and I didn't want to break anything with novice errors
[09:08] <mhb> that branch is no production code, it's just for us to tweak, and when we think we've got something ready, we'll merge it with the main jockey one
[09:09] <mhb> it's specifically open for everyone so that there aren't 10 branches for jockey-kde just because 10 people did minor fixes on it.
[09:09] <Arby> ok, Is it possible for me to merge my branch with that one?
[09:09] <Arby> and I'll have to join kubuntu-users
[09:09] <Arby> is that an open team?
[09:09] <Riddell> yes
[09:09] <Arby> ok
[09:10] <Arby> right, I have to do $dayjob
[09:10] <Arby> thanks folks
[09:10] <mhb> Arby: it is possible, of course. what branch have you branched from?
[09:10] <Arby> I branched from trunk
[09:11] <mhb> Arby: right, so the best aproach would be to merge trunk into the kubuntu-users branch, then merge your branch into it. See you later!
[09:11] <Arby> ok
[10:08] <kwwii> Riddell: my membership on kubuntu-team is expoiring, can you renew it?
[10:08] <Riddell> looks like you did that yourself "Kenneth Wimer (kwwii) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members"
[10:09] <Riddell> oh, -team
[10:09] <Riddell> just let that expire
[10:09] <Riddell> it's not used
[10:10] <kwwii> ok, will do
[13:31] <nosrednaekim> SSJ_GZ: you rock...
[17:38] <mhb> a bit silent to my taste :o)
[17:39]  * Riddell caught a cold on the train back
[17:40] <Riddell> which hasn't stopped me from doing 4.1 beta packaging
[17:40] <Riddell> but it's still blocked on main inclusion
[17:40] <mhb> Riddell: awww
[17:40] <mhb> Riddell: I also have a bit of cold, nothing really troublesome, but still, I wonder if it's related
[17:41] <Riddell> these conferences always spread germs
[17:41] <Riddell> mhb: still planning on writing that spec?
[17:41] <mhb> Riddell: the userconfig one? Sure, I just forgot about it. Later in the evening is fine?
[17:42] <Riddell> mhb: whenever you have time, just so it's not forgotten about
[17:42] <mhb> as soon as possible then
[17:43] <mhb> otherwise I'll forget again :o)
[17:43] <mhb> hmm, perhaps next time we could look at a nice way to integrate Kontact with a single web service really well, so I could use that, too
[17:44] <mhb> :o)
[17:45] <ScottK> Nothing says you can't exceed what's in the spec if you get motivated. ;-)
[17:46] <mhb> ScottK: right, I'll add it to my list
[17:46] <mhb> #1 for the summer is "find a girlfriend", all the others are Kubuntu-related :o)
[17:47] <ScottK> If you play your cards right, that might be Kubuntu related too.
[17:47] <ScottK> ;-)
[17:47] <mhb> I wish.
[17:48] <Hobbsee> hah
[17:48] <Hobbsee> well, Nightrose is around :P
[17:48] <Hobbsee> ScottK: there are relatively few girls in ubuntuland, and most of them aren't looking for a boyfriend.
[17:49] <mhb> Hobbsee: and of those that do, noone is looking for me :o)
[17:49] <ScottK> Even fewer in Prague.
[17:49] <Hobbsee> ScottK: yeah, well.  i guess elky adn i didn't go this time
[17:49] <Hobbsee> mhb: awww.  tis a hard life.
[17:49] <Hobbsee> it's easier staying single, anyway
[17:49] <mhb> easier maybe
[17:50] <ScottK> It did seem to me, at least subjectively, that there were more women at UDS Intrepid than at UDS Boston, but it was still very few.
[17:50] <mhb> Hobbsee: the negative feeling usually consume a lot of energy which could be used in a productive way otherwise
[17:51] <mhb> s/feeling/feelings/
[17:51] <mhb> anyway, let's get back to topic
[17:51] <mhb> see you around
[17:51]  * mhb disappears
[17:54] <seele> ScottK: there were even fewer at Mountain View so I would call that progress
[17:55]  * ScottK nods.
[18:23] <nixternal> Riddell: are you planning on backporting the 4.1 betas or putting them in a PPA for Hardy?
[18:23] <Riddell> dunno
[18:24] <Riddell> they install into /usr, overwriting the KDE packages
[18:24] <Riddell> so I suspect it would upset people to put them into backports
[18:24] <nixternal> ahh, so maybe it is approaching the time for me to dist-upgrade to Intrepid
[18:24] <nixternal> though it sounds kind of scary :)
[19:00] <nixternal> Riddelll: want me to work on beta packages for hardy? I can toss them into a PPA
[19:01] <Riddell> nixternal: a PPA with them installing to /usr should be easy enough
[19:01] <Riddell> but you'd need to wait for main approval (should be tomorrow) for the complete set
[19:02] <Riddell> decibel, soprano, automox, qimageblitz, cmake, akonadi, strigi, kde4libs, kdepimlibs, kdebase-runtime, kdebase-workspace
[19:02] <Riddell> you can take those now from intrepid
[19:02] <nixternal> well, dunno if we should go the /usr route for hardy
[19:03] <Riddell> installing to /usr/lib/kde4 would be nice, but a good amount of extra work
[19:03] <Riddell> packages need renamed to -kde4 etc
[19:04] <nixternal> did you get my updated key for ftown btw?
[19:04] <nixternal> I still can't login to it
[19:04] <Riddell> I did
[19:04] <Riddell> ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAABIwAAAQEA0Nnz6p2vOcLG66JDDBrfFAVFPvgxyapJ1HovgnVi+Fut9Zc2Wq/7Ni83A98W53LAFH/Pn4tD5vcWa5/fSH12vcA9rVugJm95lGW3UmN9EwJ9ZxGiWzqMFe8/vAVBOAFDjx9SQrEfFhJ4gaYcfiMKKeECY1HvGYKo/acSZUdxmGkNnS23N8ke1CggafIpSdrU1WYX18ll5ikJ/Q0q4Vpxs/xF4DVWVJBDUWG31n+hIdv4jZ+4hMyMHWOGOT8P/8y7Eif0Z8gd9npWR3S76i2972Ga9SdmToJ10MF3ReFw4kwkMAh5D4ET0eUt7mKXSW2vmqbz4TSUI9QNEh+2+ooE5Q== nixternal@ShakaDoobie
[19:04] <nixternal> ya, I just now logged in :)
[19:04] <nixternal> I couldn't the other day (from konqi), but I just did via sftp
[19:06] <nixternal> I will work on Hardy beta packages using -kde4 and going to /usr/lib/kde4
[19:06] <Riddell> ok, if you're sure you can manage it
[19:06] <Riddell> ~kubuntu-members-kde4 PPA would be best
[19:06] <nixternal> k
[19:07] <nixternal> all I need to do is get decibel, soprano, automox, qimageblitz, cmake, akonadi, and strigi
[19:07] <nixternal> did those install to /usr/lib/kde4 previously?
[19:08] <Riddell> none of those did
[19:08] <nixternal> groovy
[19:08] <Riddell> decibel we took out the KDE bits since there wasn't an easy way to do that
[19:08] <Riddell> automoc by the way
[19:08] <nixternal> what about telepathy and tapioga?
[19:09] <nixternal> tapioca
[19:09] <Riddell> not sure on the versions needed, you'd need to look at the build-deps
[19:14] <nixternal> hrmm, will the ppa's be able to grab qt4 4.4?
[19:15] <Riddell> unlikely
[19:15] <nixternal> that's what I thought
[19:16] <Riddell> hmm, decibel failed to bulid
[19:18] <Riddell> hunger_t: decibel depends on libstreamanalyzer0?
[19:51]  * awen_ finally got his exams over ... back to some kubuntu work
[19:51] <yuriy> yay awen_
[19:51] <awen_> ScottK: when you have time: http://awen.dk/packages/kde-guidance_0.8.0svn20080103-0ubuntu18.debdiff
[19:52] <awen_> hi yuriy
[19:53] <ScottK> yuriy: Just to make sure you know ...  People like you who know what they are doing aren't the target in this current workflow bugs debate.  Personally, I really appreciate your triaging efforts for Kubuntu.
[19:53] <awen_> ScottK: suppose i need it in intrepid before asking for an updated packages for hardy with the changes; or is there no rules about that?
[19:55] <yuriy> ScottK: yep, i realize that. but I don't like the proposed solution and don't like how people who are learning are being treated as a nuissance
[19:56] <ScottK> yuriy: It's not just a nuisance, but sometimes actively harmful.
[19:56] <ScottK> awen_: Yes.  Intrepid first.
[19:58] <ScottK> yuriy: In the earlier discussions the bugsquad people involved seemed to take the view that it was perfectly fine for new triagers to mark all over bugs they had absolutely no understanding of and if it affected developers, too bad.  Workflow bugs aren't real bugs and so shouldn't be there.
[19:58] <ScottK> yuriy: Much of what you read is reaction to this attitude.
[19:59] <awen_> yuriy and ScottK: what i've read until now, you've both tried to settle the "dispute", and said some very sensible things, keeping the good tone all the way ... just my seeings from the sideline; and thanks to both of you for that!
[19:59] <yuriy> ScottK: was this on IRC because I've been reading the whole thread on the bugsquad list (albeit not too attentively until yesterday)
[19:59] <awen_> ScottK: i'll wait for your sponsorship before doing further then :)
[19:59] <ScottK> yuriy: That an heno unilaterally reverted an attempt to document such bugs. in the wiki.
[19:59] <ScottK> yuriy: Much of it was on IRC, also on some other lists.  Many developers (including me) aren't on the bugsquad list.
[20:08] <seele> hmm.. no Artemis today
[20:08]  * seele wonders how kgrubeditor is going
[20:09] <seele> Riddell: youre my friend now!
[20:10]  * seele . o (out of context that sounds weird..)
[20:19]  * yuriy figures it has something to do with facebook
[20:19] <nixternal> Riddell: are the qt4 packages in your ppa 4.4.0 the same that is in -proposed or wherever it is?
[20:19] <nixternal> I see you can use other repos to satisfy deps in ppa, to bad you can't use -proposed and such
[20:21] <nixternal> nevermind, it is just RC in your ppa
[20:24] <ScottK> nixternal: You can depend on other PPAs.  There's a setting for it in the LP PPA U/I.
[20:24] <ScottK> You have to specify.
[20:25] <nixternal> ya, to bad nobody has the latest qt4 in one...so I will just grab the hardy-backport one and put it into the ppa to satisfy deps
[20:26] <nixternal> should I leave it at the same version that is in -backports or add a ~ppa1 to it?
[20:26] <ScottK> I'd add ~ppa1 so you can increment the revision in the PPA if you need to.
[20:27] <nixternal> true
[20:43] <ScottK> Riddell: I was wondering if I could trouble you to process Bug #221178 for feisty-backports?  It's been sitting there quite some time and it's relevant to a problem I was helping a user with today.
[20:46] <yuriy> lol @ bug 235171
[20:47] <nareshov> hehe
[20:47] <awen_> yuriy: lol :D
[20:48] <nixternal> alright, qt4 uploaded to the ppa, now I will be able to get down to business once that puppy builds
[20:48]  * ScottK hands nixternal a long book to read.
[20:49] <nixternal> shoot, I might as well grab every book ever published
[20:49] <stdin> nixternal: shame i didn't see that before /me built qt4 in his ppa
[20:49] <nixternal> oh thanks stdin for telling me now :p
[20:49] <stdin> sorry :)
[20:49] <nixternal> qt4 is already in hardy-backports
[20:50] <stdin> I just added ~ppa1 to the backport version though, then i don't need to re-download it all again
[22:42] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks for the backport.
[23:12] <mhb> evening
[23:25] <apachelogger> re
[23:32] <nixternal> Riddell: did you fix akonadi yet?
[23:35] <nixternal> I just added \|hardy to the one line in kde.mk to get it to build, or I could just remove that line
[23:36]  * nixternal just removed the line
[23:41] <nixternal> well, if everything goes OK, I should have kdelibs - kdebase backported for Beta 1
[23:41] <nixternal> s/backported/put into the kde4 ppa
[23:41] <nixternal> all deps have been uploaded
[23:52] <apachelogger> nixternal: what's the problem with akonadi?
[23:54] <nixternal> there was a line checking to make sure that it wasn't getting installed to unstable
[23:54] <nixternal> in kde.mk
[23:54] <nixternal> just removed it and left the clean:: statment there
[23:57]  * nixternal goes for food then comes back to kde4 beta for hardy :)
[23:57] <apachelogger> :)
[23:57] <DreadKnight> where/when will we find 4.1 beta 1 packages guys? :-)
[23:58] <apachelogger> when they are done
[23:58] <apachelogger> in some repository
[23:58] <DreadKnight> xD
[23:58] <DreadKnight> right :-)
[23:59]  * apachelogger likes how cmake 2.6 cut down make install to changed files


[05:01] <Shadow__X> hey guys what is this exactly
[05:01] <Shadow__X> /var/lib/ureadahead/debugfs
[05:02] <Shadow__X> i see it under df -h
[07:00] <CyberKnet> When I try to install 11.04 on x86-64 (Intel Core i3) I'm getting an error "Unable to find a medium containing a live file system" - has anyone else seen this
[07:01] <CyberKnet> booting from DVD
[07:01] <CyberKnet> I was not able to get past the ISOLINUX screen when trying to boot from USB
[07:02] <CyberKnet> I have redownloaded the ISO and burned it to a different DVD to see if it fixed the problem but it doesn't appear to have.
[07:03] <CyberKnet> I'm wondering if it is because the motherboard uses UEFI instead of BIOS...
[07:24] <CyberKnet> tried burning the iso to a cd instead, didn't help.
[07:24] <CyberKnet> I guess tomorrow I'll see about trying a different cdrom and see if that helps.
[16:17] <tgm4883> skd5aner, looks like that ISO->iso fix was the same as that bug
[16:17] <tgm4883> I've marked it as such, and I'm looking for the fix in 0.24
[16:18] <tgm4883> on a side note, to rename all of your extensions, it's easier to use the rename function than to create/use the script you uploaded
[17:48] <skd5aner> tgm4883: heh - yea, probably true... oh well, both work :)
[17:49] <skd5aner> glad I could help tie the two together, I sent a post out to the list about it last night too in response to the same guy who opened the mythbuntu ticket
[17:49] <skd5aner> mythtv-users list that is
[21:29] <cal_> does mythmote still work on .24?
[21:30] <tgm4883> yes
[21:36] <cal_> won't connect for me
[21:38] <cal_> was thinking mythbuntu 11.04 had a native android remote now instead of mythmote.. due to it saying 'Android and iOS devices can now be used as remote controls'
[22:00] <superm1> cal_, there's a bug that the telnet service isn't actually getting turned on
[22:00] <superm1> go turn it on manually in the frontend
[22:01] <cal_> i went into the mythbuntu control center and enabled it under the remote section there. it works now.
[22:01] <cal_> but the problem with that is, its a radio button. I cannot select android remote and lirc remote at the samet ime :( ... so I selected android and it removed lirc. baaaad! lol
[22:02] <superm1> yeah some bugs with it :(
[22:03] <cal_> just upgraded to .24.1
[22:04] <cal_> was hoping it would fix my 'error opening jump program file buffer' error for switching to hd channels. it didnt..


[00:31] <JoseeAntonioR> freedomrun_: you can still get an unaffiliated cloak, you just need to ask for one in #freenode :)
[00:32] <freedomrun_> thnx JoseeAntonioR
[00:32] <JoseeAntonioR> sure
[06:31] <JoseeAntonioR> guys, ubot2 is using ubot2` with ` at the end
[06:44] <IdleOne> jpds: ^^


[09:14] <jamespage> mgz, do you happen to know if a change/assignment of a public-address/floating-ip get notified to a charm in some way in the context of the openstack provider?
[09:22] <yolanda> hi, i need to trigger some change when i assign a public ip to an instance. Is there any hook i could use for that, or can you give advice on some workaround? I've only thought in setting a config var with that ip, to trigger a config-changed , but i don't see it very usable
[12:37] <henninge> Hi!
[12:37] <henninge> What's with the "use of closed network connection error" when doing "juju bootstrap"?
[12:38] <henninge> juju 1.11.2
[12:38] <henninge> It all was working fine on Saturday ...
[12:44] <mgz> jamespage: juju is completely ignorant of ip changes currently, it's one of the things I'm working on fixing this cycle
[12:44] <jamespage> mgz, urgh
[12:44] <jamespage> ok
[12:46] <mgz> it's also not easy to work around at a charm level, though I think is may have a few magical bits they've done previously
[12:48] <henninge> Ah the error is gone now. I played around with deleting the control bucket which did not help at first but seems to do now.
[13:08] <melmoth> when  a unit is added to a service, wich hooks are supposed to be run ? i think i onluy see a relation-changed, i was expecting to see a unit-added hook of some sort
[13:19] <marcoceppi> melmoth: you mean when you juju add-unit?
[13:19] <melmoth> yes.
[13:20] <melmoth> i want soemthing to be trigged in the other units when a unit is added.
[13:24] <melmoth> marcoceppi, looks like config-changed is all that is triggered...thats all right... as long as i can get a list of all the units associate with the current service
[13:25] <marcoceppi> melmoth: you can use a peer relation, which is fired when a new peer (unit) is added/removed from a service
[13:25] <melmoth> i dont see any attempt to fire soemthing in the first unit of the service charm.log
[13:26] <marcoceppi> melmoth: juju-core?
[13:26] <melmoth> nope. pyjuju
[13:27] <marcoceppi> melmoth: Speculating, as I know the peer relation works on both, but if there's no peer relation listed in the metadata.yml file juju might not even attempt to describe looking for one in the logs
[13:48] <melmoth> marcoceppi, indeed, i added a peer definition in the yaml, now when a new unit is fired it try to call peer-relation-joined. Thanks
[13:49] <marcoceppi> melmoth: excellent!
[14:21] <melmoth> how can i list all unit belonging to a service ? i try related_units() from charmhelpers without success: Calling relation related method without relation context: <class 'juju.state.hook.HookContext'>
[14:26] <rick_h_> jcastro: thanks, mysql showing up in the category now.
[14:28] <ahasenack> melmoth: you need to call relation-list in the end. That takes a relation-id argument
[14:28] <yolanda> hi, i'm writing a charm and i need some event to detect when a public ip has been associated, because some config files depend on it. Is there any hook i could use?
[14:28] <ahasenack> melmoth: the relation-id is between services
[14:28] <ahasenack> melmoth: so to grab all relation-ids for a relation name you call relation-ids first
[14:28] <marcoceppi> melmoth: you can't call it from just "any" hook without providing some context either
[14:29] <ahasenack> melmoth: so, call relation-ids <relation-name>, then loop over the result calling relation-list -r <rid> for each one
[14:29] <marcoceppi> yolanda: currently there's no way to trap this event in Juju (from my understanding)
[14:29] <marcoceppi> yolanda: what you can do instead is create a configuration parameter in config.yaml, say `public-ip` that people can set
[14:29] <yolanda> marcoceppi, that's what i thought but i didn't find it very usable... i mean, this can be automatic
[14:30] <yolanda> you assign a public ip, and you have to remember to set the config var
[14:30] <marcoceppi> yolanda: It can be, if it's not already a bug should be opened in juju-core. The problem is each provider's public ip assignment mechanism varies greatly and not all providers even expose public ip to it's units
[14:31] <yolanda> i see
[14:34] <yolanda> marcoceppi, so should i open a bug to request it?
[14:34] <marcoceppi> yolanda: certainly!
[14:34] <yolanda> and in the meantime do the config workaround
[14:35] <marcoceppi> yolanda: exactly. The config parameter will "just work" for all providers, but it might be more trivial to incorporate public ip address.
[14:35] <marcoceppi> yolanda: there is a `unit-get public-address`, but I don't think that gets updated if you assign it a permenant IP, only gets the ip/address you were provisioned with
[14:36] <yolanda> marcoceppi, i did a try, and it's updated. But the problem i have, is i don't get any event to detect when the change has been done
[14:36] <marcoceppi> yolanda: Oh, I see your problem
[14:36] <yolanda> if i trigger a config-changed for example,with some other var, unit-get public-address is ok
[14:37] <yolanda> but i need to process the event on time
[14:37] <marcoceppi> There's a bigger bug at play, some kind of provider-state-changed hook
[14:37] <marcoceppi> Where you can trap events outside of juju, like getting a new ip address
[14:37] <yolanda> marcoceppi, great, and it's on progress then?
[14:37] <marcoceppi> This might be an iteresting discussion for the juju mailing list instead, to see what people think of a feature like this
[14:37] <marcoceppi> yolanda: not that I know of
[14:38] <marcoceppi> I mispoke, there's a bigger topic of discussion other than just getting the public ip
[14:38] <marcoceppi> not that there's already a bug for this
[14:38] <yolanda> oh, i misunderstood :)
[14:39] <marcoceppi> I think it could probably exist as a hook, however I'm not sure if everyone would share that opinion. If you mail the idea to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>it'll probably spur some good discussion on how to handle events of this nature
[14:41] <yolanda> sound like a good idea
[14:41] <yolanda> i already filed a bug anyway
[14:42] <marcoceppi> excellent
[14:42] <melmoth> related=[u'ntpmaster/2', u'ntpmaster/1'] \o/
[14:44] <jamespage> yolanda, mgz said earlier they are looking to improve this in juju-core this cycle
[14:44] <jamespage> so I think the public ip approach via config is best for the time being - even if it sucks badly
[14:44] <jamespage> melmoth, nice one!
[14:45] <yolanda> jamespage, ok, i'll do that workaround, isn't that bad :)
[14:46] <MarkDude> jcastro: some good news on my side- I had to doublecheck Juju license would work with Fedora's limitations
[14:47] <MarkDude> It will. For us to get access to code do we have to sign the Canonical CLA? My guess is no.
[14:47]  * MarkDude was made aware that the license COULD be changed in the future- and at that point we would have to fork
[14:48] <MarkDude> But we are good, and can see about working on this and getting it INTO the Fedora repos
[14:50] <jcastro> the CLA is for contributing, not using
[14:50] <MarkDude> Yep, that was my guess
[14:51] <MarkDude> http://www.uncuartotech.com/ we plan on trying to use it with these cooll folks
[14:52]  * MarkDude is wondering if we would actually make any code you folks could use- most of what we do would be centered on getting it to work with Fedora
[14:53] <MarkDude> But, if we create sumthin' you might want, we would of course make it available in the spirit of FOSS
[14:53] <MarkDude> And we are cleared on doing that too :)
[14:54] <MarkDude> The legal thing appears to be a hassle - but I got a response to my question from legal- in less than 5 minutes, sometimes it may even take an hour :)
[14:55]  * MarkDude is a bit sad to be missing OSCON for the 1st time in 8 years or so. I was looking forward to seeing the newest Charm school
[14:57] <MarkDude> What is the most recent video or walkthru for creating charms? Im not sure some of my people UNDERSTAND how awesome Juju is in function AND to lower the entrance to getting folks into the concept of being a dev :)
[15:55] <marcoceppi> adam_g: Do you have any plans to package juju-deployer anytime soon?
[15:55] <marcoceppi> I'm trying to figure out if it's best to just wait, or to just embed juju-deployer in what I'm working on now
[15:56] <yolanda> hi, having this problem suddenly when deploying my charm, without any code changes from the last working version: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5855747/
[15:56] <yolanda> any idea?
[15:57] <marcoceppi> yolanda: what's the first three lines of hooks/install look like?
[15:57] <marcoceppi> Just out of curiosity
[15:58] <yolanda> #!/usr/bin/python
[15:58] <yolanda> import os
[16:00] <marcoceppi> huh, I'm not sure why you're getting that error
[16:01] <yolanda> i'll redeploy
[16:14] <JoseeAntonioR> hey guys, who's reviewing charms today?
[16:43] <marcoceppi> JoseeAntonioR: Mims and I. I've got your charm on my list for reviewing today since I didn't get to it last week
[16:43] <marcoceppi> (Though officially mims is on review)
[16:43] <JoseeAntonioR> marcoceppi: great, thanks :)
[16:43] <JoseeAntonioR> wanted to know as I'm willing to push another charm that's dependant of postfix being approved
[16:44] <marcoceppi> JoseeAntonioR: go ahead and throw it in the queue!
[16:44] <marcoceppi> just make sure you mention it depends on postfix
[16:44]  * JoseeAntonioR goes for it
[16:51] <JoseeAntonioR> done :)
[17:03]  * MarkDude <3 cooperation and sharing of code and ideas.
[18:33] <melmoth> can i get the up of the hostname of a machine if i know its unit name ? (and nope, it s not the current machine the charm runs on)
[18:34] <melmoth> grmblblb, keyboard, ifingres... i meant can i get the IP OR the hostname
[18:35] <marcoceppi> melmoth: only if it's called upon in a relation
[18:36] <melmoth> then i need to store somewhere the name of all peers in a unit.
[18:36] <melmoth> i need to get the list of all the peers each time i need to rewrite a conf file
[18:36] <marcoceppi> melmoth: you'll probably want to record them to a file then
[18:36] <melmoth> wich can be when a a unit join in, or out, but also if the config change.
[18:36] <melmoth> in a file...
[18:36] <melmoth> bouhou
[18:50] <roaksoax> y
[21:26] <michaelb> I am attempting to upgrade charms I have installed and keep running into the following exception: ERROR 'ServiceRelationState' object has no attribute 'role'
[21:27] <michaelb> I found bug filing #1185198, but nothing else.
[21:27] <_mup_> Bug #1185198: ERROR 'ServiceRelationState' object has no attribute 'role' <juju:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1185198>
[21:49] <ahasenack> michaelb: I don't know, but that looks like a py-juju error, not juju-core, which is the current focus of development


[00:07] <wgrant> elmo, nigelb: At least U1 was changing their comboloader stuff a few weeks ago... and YUI is pretty awesome at falling back to the CDN silently if your comboloader misses something.
[00:08] <wgrant> I guess +decide probably uses some module that isn't in the comboloader.
[00:08] <wgrant> (it has some expandy JS stuff)
[00:08] <wgrant> Really good for security.
[02:46] <bjsnider> is lsb installed by default on the ppa builders?
[02:48] <wgrant> bjsnider: You must build-depend on anything that is not build-essential.
[03:40] <jo-erlend> how do I remove a package from my PPA? I did a test build a while ago, and now it refuses to build new packages for me because the one already in the archive has a higher version number, but it's wrong.
[03:42] <jo-erlend> I've been waiting for hours for this to finish (:
[03:42] <jo-erlend> :(
[03:51] <jo-erlend> where can I learn how to use Launchpad to properly build packages? I'm spending days and days just to make a package so I can test on other computers. I hate this stuff. I want to program :(
[03:53] <wgrant> jo-erlend: Click "View package details", then "Delete packages"
[03:53] <wgrant> You may have to wait for up to an hour before you can upload a lower version. You should not rely on this in future.
[03:54] <wgrant> And, even once deleted, you can never upload the same version again.
[03:54] <wgrant> Have you read https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA and the Ubuntu Packaging Guide?
[03:57] <jo-erlend> I have been able to upload packages before, by packaging and then pushing it to launchpad. But since I _really_ hate this kind of distraction, I wanted to make use of the daily builds. But it doesn't work, and I don't understand why.
[04:01] <jo-erlend> wgrant, that seems like _a lot_ to learn just to distribute a simple Python application?
[04:04] <wgrant> jo-erlend: Not all of the documents are relevant to that use case, and you should be able to find simple examples. But packaging some things can be extremely non-trivial, so the full documents are not small.
[04:05] <nigelb> wgrant: Interesting
[04:07] <wgrant> #ubuntu-motu and #ubuntu-packaging may be helpful.
[04:07] <wgrant> nigelb: Hm?
[04:07] <nigelb> re:YUI
[04:07] <nigelb> I've never used it :) Always used jQuery :P
[04:08] <jo-erlend> I guess I'll stick with zipfiles.
[04:09] <nigelb> G26
[04:09] <nigelb> gah
[04:10] <jo-erlend> wgrant, how long time do you think I'll have to set aside to understand these packaging things? Are we talking weeks or months?
[04:25] <wgrant> jo-erlend: A couple of hours should be fine to package a Python app.
[04:26] <wgrant> And once you learn how to do it, a trivial packaging job can take just a few minutes, depending on the software being packaged.
[04:27] <wgrant> Tools like pkgme are being developed to make this easy, but they depend very much on your software following language-specific conventions.
[04:27] <jo-erlend> right. But is there anything I can read that will help me package python applications? Because they all refer to compiling C applications and other completely uninteresting things.
[04:31] <wgrant> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Python#The_debhelper_way may be helpful.
[04:32] <wgrant> But #ubuntu-packaging or #ubuntu-motu can probably offer better advice; there's nothing Launchpad-specific about this, and the tools have evolved significantly in the couple of years since I last did a lot of packaging work.
[04:35] <jo-erlend> yes, but the single goal is to get daily builds from launchpad to work. I'
[04:36] <jo-erlend> the less I learn about packaging, the better. :)
[04:39] <wgrant> jo-erlend: To package something you need to know how to package it.
[04:39] <wgrant> jo-erlend: Daily builds are no exception.
[04:40] <wgrant> They just automatically update and build the package as you tell them to.
[04:43] <jo-erlend> well... Typing "quickly share" isn't all that complicated. :)
[04:45] <wgrant> quickly is quite a special case; you didn't say you were using it :)
[04:47] <jo-erlend> in what way is it special?
[04:48] <wgrant> It's designed with pretty much exactly this in mind.
[04:49] <wgrant> So it goes to great lengths to make its projects easily packagable in an automated fashion.
[04:49] <jo-erlend> yes, but can I make launchpad use it?
[04:50] <StevenK> quickly package ; make a branch, point a recipe at the two branches, profit?
[04:50] <jo-erlend> btw... I just deleted the packages now. Do I have to wait some time before I upload and request a build, or can I do that right away?
[04:50] <wgrant> Unless quickly has built-in Launchpad recipe support, you will probably need to run 'quickly package' and extract the generated debian/ and put it in a branhc.
[04:51] <jo-erlend> damn. I just realized that quickly-widgets can't be published that way even. So I guess I'll have to start from scratch anyway.
[04:58] <jo-erlend> perhaps I should just go to sleep and have another look at it when I'm not so tired. Perhaps it won't look quite so daunting then. :)
[09:56] <Linuxsapien> morning, just a simple question, how do I change my real name in my launchpad account please?
[09:58] <wgrant> Linuxsapien: https://launchpad.net/~/+edit
[10:00] <Linuxsapien> ive used taht wgrant but it still uses old name
[10:00] <wgrant> Where?
[10:00] <Linuxsapien> that link
[10:01] <wgrant> What still uses the old name?
[10:01] <Linuxsapien> the account
[10:01] <wgrant> Where?
[10:01] <wgrant> Where is the old name shown?
[10:02] <Linuxsapien> on that link you gave me
[10:02] <wgrant> In the form?
[10:02] <Linuxsapien> if I change it to something else, then I use my launchpad for openID it still uses old name
[10:03] <wgrant> Ah. Launchpad doesn't serve OpenID... it delegates to login.ubuntu.com. Try changing it there instead.
[10:04] <Linuxsapien> i will try
[10:04] <Linuxsapien>  thanks
[10:16] <chrisccoulson> is it not possible to use the same e-mail address for more than 1 account in launchpad?
[10:18] <wgrant> chrisccoulson: It's not.
[10:18] <chrisccoulson> wgrant, thanks
[10:18] <wgrant> chrisccoulson: Launchpad uses email addresses as identifiers in lots of places. Incoming email, references in emails, Changed-By/Maintainer in packages, etc.
[10:19] <chrisccoulson> wgrant, yeah, that makes sense then :)
[10:19] <wgrant> To have them not unambiguously identify a person or team, when that can reasonably be assumed to be the case, would be troublesome.
[10:33] <htorque> hi everyone! is there a gpg key problem: "https://private-ppa.launchpad.net oneiric Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 2AF0E92042F834EC Launchpad ppa"
[10:33] <htorque> i'm getting this when doing apt-get update - the ppa in question contains the beta mono font
[10:43] <wgrant> htorque: If you run 'ls -l /var/lib/apt/lists/*walled-garden*', is there a 0-byte Release file?
[10:43] <wgrant> At least I'm assuming this is walled-garden we are talking about.
[11:11] <htorque> wgrant, there is no walled-garden, but a "private-ppa.launchpad.net_ubuntu-font-beta-testing_ppa_ubuntu_dists_oneiric_Release" with 0 bytes. delete and retry?
[11:14] <htorque> wgrant: well, deleting that file worked, thanks! i just wonder how this could have happened.
[11:31] <shadeslayer> hi, i was wondering how do i close merge requests in launchpad using bzr ?
[11:34] <wgrant> shadeslayer: Have you committed and pushed the merge?
[11:35] <shadeslayer> wgrant: yes
[11:35] <shadeslayer> currently i have to manually go to each merge and set it to merged
[11:35] <wgrant> Do you have an example?
[11:35] <shadeslayer> wgrant: one sec :)
[11:37] <shadeslayer> wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~bulldog98/kubuntu-packaging/kdegames/+merge/73957
[11:37] <shadeslayer> i just merged that branch a couple of seconds ago
[11:38] <wgrant> Merged into lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdegames at revision 132
[11:38] <wgrant> It worked fine.
[11:39] <wgrant> It can take a minute or so to detect that, however.
[11:39] <shadeslayer> ah
[11:39] <shadeslayer> ok
[11:43] <bulldog98> the proposals for merge requests are not that good as they should be
[11:43] <bulldog98> eg https://code.launchpad.net/~bulldog98/kubuntu-packaging/kiten/+register-merge
[11:44] <bulldog98> i want to merge that into lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kiten but that’s what I don’t get proposed (that’s everytime)
[11:44] <wgrant> bulldog98: It's because you're abusing projects :(
[11:45] <wgrant> kubuntu-packaging doesn't make sense as a project.
[11:45] <wgrant> Because you have dozens of different codebases.
[11:45] <wgrant> They should be either real Ubuntu packaging branches, or branches of the upstream projects.
[11:45] <wgrant> It's not intended that people should maintain dozens of trunks within a single project.
[11:46] <wgrant> You are doing a KDE again, except this time with projects instead of packages :(
[11:47] <bulldog98> wgrant: but that’s what we do because it makes most sence
[11:48] <wgrant> Howso?
[11:48] <wgrant> It's not at all how Launchpad is designed to be used, so it's not going to work very well.
[11:48] <wgrant> So it definitely doesn't make the most sense.
[11:48] <bulldog98> wgrant: otherwise we gain karma in kdepim, but we haven’t done any kdepim code
[11:56] <wgrant> bulldog98: I'm not sure that karma is a good justification :)
[11:57] <wgrant> Karma wasn't really designed to work in any particular way. Everything else was designed under the rough assumption that one codebase is one project.
[11:57] <wgrant> Violating that on a scale like this is probably not going to end well.
[11:57] <wgrant> What prevents you from using Ubuntu packaging branches?
[11:57] <wgrant> Or potentially a custom distribution.
[11:57] <wgrant> Just to hold the branches for each source package.
[11:58] <wgrant> bulldog98, shadeslayer: ^^
[11:58] <bulldog98> wgrant: ask vddlogger
[11:59] <shadeslayer> wgrant: KDE 5 will have even more splits, so making a project for each package right now doesn't make sense
[12:00] <wgrant> Why not?
[12:00] <shadeslayer> because it involves too much work that we will have to do again at the point KDE 5 releases  ...
[12:01] <shadeslayer> iirc we discussed this on the kubuntu-devel ML
[12:02] <wgrant> Any idea why you're not using real Ubuntu branches?
[12:06] <bulldog98> everytime I try to propose a merge I get Error ID: OOPS-2073J35
[12:06] <wgrant> We want to support this sort of thing well. The way you're doing it now is probably not going to work well, so it would be handy to know what other options you've considered and discarded, and why.
[12:06] <wgrant> bulldog98: Is that for a branch you've just pushed?
[12:06] <bulldog98> wgrant: yes
[12:07] <bulldog98> no 7 min ago
[12:07] <bulldog98> or later
[12:08] <bulldog98> again that’s the 12 time that’s happening
[12:08] <bulldog98> https://code.launchpad.net/~bulldog98/kubuntu-packaging/kletters/+register-merge
[12:08] <bulldog98> 21 min ago the branch was created
[12:10] <bulldog98> that one failed again
[12:19] <shadeslayer> wgrant: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2011-June/005292.html
[12:20] <bulldog98> again trying to propose the same merge the 25th time (and 30min after branch creation) Error ID: OOPS-2073AV37
[12:33] <bulldog98> Error ID: OOPS-2073DZ29
[12:33] <bulldog98> wgrant: what’s going wrong there :'(
[12:35] <StevenK> bulldog98: It's obvious there is a problem. Performing the same action over and over again and expecting a different result is insanity. And you clog up our reporting system and skew our numbers by doing so, so please stop.
[12:35] <vddlogger> bulldog98, wgrant: I'll need a summary of whatever you were talking about as I am rather busy ATM
[12:36] <bulldog98> vddlogger: why don’t we use ubuntu-style branches?
[12:36] <vddlogger> define ubuntu style branches
[12:37] <bulldog98> vddlogger: that must wgrant define
[16:22] <vddlogger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/580090 spam
[16:32] <shnatsel> hello everybody
[16:33] <shnatsel> I'm building an Ubuntu derivative using seeds. I'm looking for the code that parses seeds and builds ISO images according to them. Where can I get it?
[17:25] <macer1> Hi
[17:26] <macer1>  I am using "macer" nick generally, registred on launchpad as macer1, because macer was reseved. "macer" account was created when importing bugs from old bugtracker 5 years ago(and not used after that). Is there any chance that i can take over that nick?
[17:28] <nigelb> macer1: Hi, today being a weekend the launchpad folks may not be here. You can either ask a question against launchpad at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad or ask again on Monday.
[17:28] <macer1> Ok, thanks. I will try on Monday.
[17:42] <AlanBell> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~baldbrad seems to be spamming bug reports
[17:48] <macer1> If some admins will be seeing my question later, they can contact me, my mail is on my launchpad profile - macer1 ;)
[17:50] <macer1> AlanBell - you are right
[17:50] <macer1> f*ckin spammer -_-
[17:50] <nigelb> !ohmy
[17:50] <macer1> oops, sorry
[17:51] <macer1> *alanbell is right, this user IS a spammer.
[17:51] <nigelb> AlanBell: I'd suggest opening a question. I can do that if you don't have time at the moment.
[17:52] <macer1> AlanBell: this baldbrad is not active for some time
[17:53] <macer1> if i am right
[17:55] <macer1> btw. what do i have to do to become launchpad admin? Just asking  out of curiosity
[17:55] <nigelb> Work for Canonical. :)
[17:56] <macer1> no other ways ?
[17:56] <nigelb> No, there are private projects, private branches, etc.
[17:56] <nigelb> Even some profile information which is private.
[17:56] <macer1> Ok. I get it ;)
[17:57] <macer1> i understand
[17:58] <macer1> btw. work for canonical - maybe i will but canonical does not have section in my country
[17:58] <macer1> ;)
[18:00] <macer1> I am member of Polish Translators team for translations, member of bug squad for helping with bugs, is there any other things that users(not-canonical) can help ;)?
[18:00] <AlanBell> that doesn't matter much
[18:00] <nigelb> AlanBell: opened a question for that user.
[18:00] <AlanBell> quite a lot of canonical jobs just specify that you should be in a European or American timezone
[18:00] <AlanBell> nigelb: I saw that :)
[18:01] <nigelb> Actually, I think there's already someone in Poland.
[18:01] <nigelb> I'm not sure if he still is though.
[18:01] <macer1> nigelb: can you subscribe me to this question? I am interested what will happen to that bug :p
[18:02] <macer1> i mean
[18:02] <macer1> that user
[18:02] <macer1> what will happen to that spammer user
[18:02] <macer1> AlanBell: cool, I am in European timezone :D
[18:04] <macer1> AlanBell: so maybe if i will have 18+ years old, I will work for Canonical, but I don't think I now can :D
[18:04] <nigelb> Well, at some point tomorrow, an admin will see it and set that user's status to inactive.
[18:06] <macer1> OK, but can you subscribe me please ;)?
[18:10] <macer1> OK, i subscriber myself...
[18:10] <macer1> *subscribed
[18:13] <macer1> nobody answered my question on top: I help with translations, and with bug, are they any other options? I really like to help :D
[18:13] <macer1> *and with bugs
[18:27] <ESphynx> Hey guys, do you know why my brand image doesn't show up in the homepage? :\
[18:28] <macer1> link to page?
[18:28] <ESphynx> https://launchpad.net/ecere/
[18:30] <macer1> your program logo?
[18:30] <macer1> it displays
[18:30] <ESphynx> the brand
[18:30] <ESphynx> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/84450
[18:31] <macer1> Ok, so i don't know.
[18:31] <macer1> I am not admin ;)
[18:31] <ESphynx> looks like it's not used :(
[18:31] <ESphynx> bugs is 2 years old :( Is launchpad still maintained ? :S
[18:31] <macer1> where do you expect it to be?
[18:31] <ESphynx> I just spent some time making a nice brand image but it's not used :P   https://launchpadlibrarian.net/78979371/brand.png
[18:32] <ESphynx> On the Overview page somewhere :P
[18:32] <macer1> isnt better to make this as logo?
[18:32] <ESphynx> I made this as a 192x192
[18:33] <ESphynx> logo is 64x64 too small for all that
[18:35] <macer1> I don't know :/
[18:36] <ESphynx> oh well :P
[18:36] <ESphynx> So how do we get a package to make it into Ubuntu? :P
[18:37] <macer1> so you have deb-source-package?
[18:37] <macer1> and want it go to software-center?
[18:37] <ESphynx> yes
[18:37] <macer1> do you have a working ppa?
[18:37] <ESphynx> we haven't done a release yet though
[18:38] <ESphynx> but we had a ppa that built on i386
[18:38] <ESphynx> we fixed the code so it should build on amd64 as well now
[18:38] <macer1> how abour armel and powerpc :D? this will be interesting
[18:38] <ESphynx> problem is I was not the one who made the ppa last time :P i'm trying to have someone else to manage the PPAs
[18:39]  * macer1 is searching for how-to in google
[18:39] <micahg> ESphynx: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages, #ubuntu-motu can help
[18:39] <ESphynx> This was our last ppa: https://launchpad.net/~ecere-team/+archive/ppa
[18:39] <ESphynx> micahg: thanks!
[18:40] <ESphynx> one problem is that Ubuntu is very unstable on my machine :(
[18:41] <macer1> :(
[18:41] <macer1> what version and hardware?
[18:42] <ESphynx> I think it's 10 I have installed, and hardware is nothing fancy! A Q6600, ASUS motherboard I think
[18:42] <macer1> 10-what?
[18:43] <ESphynx> 10.04 or something
[18:44] <ESphynx> was it LTS? I forget
[18:44] <macer1> it is LTS - try newest non-lts - new drivers, new kernels, more stability ;
[18:44] <macer1> *;)
[18:44] <ESphynx> I thought LTS stood for good 'Support' :(
[18:45] <macer1> well, it is...
[18:45] <ESphynx> I shall try a newer version.
[18:45] <macer1> but it containts old stable versions of eveything
[18:45] <jussi> the lts worked well on my q6600/asus p5q...
[18:45] <macer1> i was never hinking that old software works more stable...
[18:45] <macer1> *thinking
[18:45] <ESphynx> seems to be a problem with my audio driver perhaps
[18:45] <ESphynx> I have an Audigy 2 I think
[18:46] <ESphynx> Skype would always freeze it very easy.
[18:46] <ESphynx> though it could happen just in a browser
[18:47] <macer1> 11.04 + updates works just fine. and stable
[18:47] <macer1> I never liked LTS - old software...
[18:47] <macer1> because of that I am using oneiric now :D
[18:49] <micahg> support for ubuntu is in #ubuntu
[18:52] <ESphynx> thanks
[18:57] <macer1> where are list of all ubuntu channels?
[18:58] <macer1> i am searching for something like #ubuntu-xorg
[18:59] <micahg> macer1: #ubuntu-x
[18:59] <micahg> macer1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[18:59] <macer1> oh
[18:59] <macer1> thx
[19:34] <ripps> Launchpad is having trouble importing a repo from github https://code.launchpad.net/~ripps818/gmpc/glyr-git
[21:09] <jelmer> ripps: hi
[21:10] <jelmer> ripps: that repository contains submodules, which we can't import yet (as there's nothing in bzr to convert them to)
[21:46] <jo-erlend> I've uploaded and built a package on my PPA, but it says "Note: Some binary packages for this source are not yet published in the repository". How come? And how long does that take?
[21:51] <tumbleweed> jo-erlend: IIRC publishing happens every 20 mins
[21:51] <jo-erlend> ah. Right it's periodical. I had forgotten about that. I published a package earlier today and then it appeared immediately. Guess that was just lucky timing then? :)
[22:50] <wgrant> jo-erlend: Every 5 minutes, so not *too* lucky.
[22:50] <jo-erlend> oh, ok.