[04:27] <ruff|brb> after having done the ./config and make thingy.. what do i do with checkinstall?
[04:27] <ruff|brb> is it make checkinstall ?
[04:27] <Phuzion> What is the format to add in an IP address for resolv.conf?
[04:28] <Phuzion> I don't have one on my system for some reason
[04:28] <ArrenLex> ruff: no, just sudo checkinstall
[04:28] <Madpilot> nixternal, ping - PM me about your -ops request
[04:28] <guest_4> can someone please help me reinstall grub? I have work that I did not back up before this happened.
[04:28] <wickedpuppy> Phuzion, nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:28] <wickedpuppy> don't use that IP though
[04:28] <Lam_> !bchunk
[04:28] <ubotu> bchunk: CD image format conversion from bin/cue to iso/cdr. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.0-1 (dapper), package size 12 kB, installed size 68 kB
[04:29] <darkaura> whats a good partioning program for ubuntu
[04:29] <Phuzion> wickedpuppy, thanks
[04:29] <wickedpuppy> np
[04:29] <mcscruff> ruff|brb, sorry i was fixing my other pc, you just use "checkinstall"
[04:29] <wickedpuppy> dark, i l iike fdisk ..there is also cfdisk and gparted
[04:29] <ruff|brb> ArrenLex, does it need to be run from within the source directory?
[04:29] <wickedpuppy> no no its for darkaura
[04:29] <wickedpuppy> sorry
[04:30] <ArrenLex> ruff|brb: from the same place you would have run make install.
[04:30] <mcscruff> darkaura, qtparted
[04:30] <ruff|brb> i see
[04:30] <ruff|brb> thanks :)
[04:30] <ArrenLex> ruff: essentially all checkinstall does is run "make install" and watch what files get installed, then puts all these files into a package. It's not magic.
[04:31] <ruff|brb> ArrenLex, would i need to do a dpkg -i ?
[04:31] <ArrenLex> ruff: no; checkinstall installs it automagically if it builds correctly.
[04:31] <ruff|brb> mmmm.. cool
[04:31] <ruff|brb> lemme try it
[04:31] <Gk-s2-> someone here know how to fix direct rendering: No ?
[04:32] <CripperZ> hi guys
[04:32] <ArrenLex> Gk: what driver? what card?
[04:32] <CripperZ> i wonder if anyone have used tspc ipv6 tunnel broker ... i need a bit of help
[04:33] <ruff|brb> oooh... the file i got from firefox's site is the binary already compiled
[04:33] <ajt> LSD`: I tried to run fsck.ext3 on it and it said to run e2fsck -b 8193 /dev/hda and that gave me the error "Bad magic numb er in super-block while tryong to open /dev/hda"
[04:33] <Rug> Does anybody have any experience setting up Dell Servers?  I just got one (second-hand) and I can't get it to recognize more then 2 SCSI disks at one time.  (port #3 & #9 seem to be the only ones that work)
[04:33] <LSD`> ajt: :/
 Gforce 4 mx 440 128mb
[04:33] <GoldKeeper> errr
[04:33] <ArrenLex> Gk-s2: what driver are you trying to use with it?
[04:33] <GoldKeeper> i installed edgy but i aint getting no flashy aiglx effects
[04:34] <yarddog> !edgy
[04:34] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
 Driver?
[04:34] <ajt> LSD`: :/ is right
[04:34] <b03nto> !xdm
[04:34] <ubotu> xdm: X display manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.0.1-6ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 150 kB, installed size 748 kB
[04:34] <ArrenLex> Gk-s2: yes. Pastebin the output of "/etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Driver" ; there should be four or so lines.
[04:34] <kitche> Goldkeeper you have to enable thema nd install beryl or compiz
[04:34] <ArrenLex> Sorry, that's "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Driver"
[04:35] <b03nto> anyone know how to put shutdown or reboot button on xdm ?
[04:35] <Gk-s2->         Driver          "kbd"
[04:35] <Gk-s2->         Driver          "mouse"
[04:35] <Gk-s2->   Driver        "wacom"
[04:35] <Gk-s2->   Driver        "wacom"
[04:35] <Gk-s2->   Driver        "wacom"
[04:35] <Gk-s2->         Driver          "nvidia"
[04:35] <Gk-s2-> sorry for flood
[04:35] <ArrenLex> !pastebin
[04:35] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[04:35] <dragonriot> I have an HP ZD8000 laptop with an ATI Mobility Radeon X600... I've seen lots of issues with upgrading to Edgy and not having fglrx functionality after the upgrade... is that problem fixed yet, or should I not upgrade to edgy until the next RC?
[04:37] <Lam_> Nvidia uses GLX; can ATI cards utilize the same rendering mode, or are we locked into DRI?
[04:37] <Gk-s2-> ty ArrenLex
[04:37] <mike-ekim> i did iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -s sourceip --dport 22 -j ACCEPT
[04:37] <mike-ekim> and the connections are still now allowed from that iup
[04:38] <judy> can anyone tell me where the channel topic list is that is referenced when some executes  !pastebin  i have never seen a channel topic there
[04:38] <ArrenLex> Gk-s2: can you pastebin your entire /etc/X11/xorg.conf, please?
[04:38] <Gk-s2-> k
[04:38] <ArrenLex> Gk-s2: how did you install your nvidia drivers?
[04:38] <Madpilot> judy, type "/topic"
[04:38] <Madpilot> judy, without the "", of course
[04:38] <NineTeen67Comet> Any Aiptek U8000 tablet users in here? I've got one I have not been able to use since I got it a year ago.
[04:38] <judy> Madpilot: ok thanks i will try it
[04:38] <loper06> what was the name of the windows app that can allow you to write to ur linux parition from windows?
[04:39] <GoldKeeper> !aiglx
[04:39] <ubotu> AIGLX ('Accelerated Indirect GLX') is an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol.
[04:39] <judy> Madpilot:  of course thanks
 Apt-get install nvidia-glx
 Apt-get install nvidia**
[04:39] <GoldKeeper> !compiz
[04:39] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[04:39] <ArrenLex> Gk-s2: have you restarted after doing this?
http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26036/
[04:40] <Gk-s2-> yes
[04:40] <ruff|brb> The-Terminator, :D
[04:40] <Gk-s2-> and i have xgl with compiz too
[04:40] <Gk-s2-> but not work
[04:40] <Phuzion> Anyone got some time and doesn't mind doing some one on one help with getting a machine onto a network?
[04:40] <freemind> compiz is old, try beryl
[04:41] <ArrenLex> Gk-s2: why are the lines Load	"dri" 036. and Load    "GLcore"  commented out?
[04:41] <ArrenLex> Sorry, ignore that 036.
[04:41] <Gk-s2-> Xgl
[04:42] <ArrenLex> Gk-s2: ...sorry?
[04:42] <Gk-s2-> Xgl Tutorial ....said to comment that line
[04:42] <Gk-s2-> i dont know why
[04:42] <mike-ekim> could it be that i dont have ssh listening
[04:42] <ArrenLex> Gk-s2: try uncommenting the dri line. Leave the gl line alone for now.
[04:43] <babo> what's the easiest way to upgrade my emacs version ?
[04:43] <Gk-s2-> k
[04:43] <mike-ekim> even localhost connect gives me refused
[04:43] <The-Terminator> ??
[04:43] <yarddog> !xgl
[04:43] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL)  -  Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager  -  Help in #ubuntu-xgl  -  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[04:43] <ghostshadow189> hi all , i'm testing  "gnome-terminal --window --execute perl test.pl"  , after that it opened a terminal window , but this window disappeared . so how can i make it still appear to see the result of test.pl script ?
[04:43] <judy> !glx
[04:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about glx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:44] <ruff|brb> The-Terminator, hello mister
[04:44] <babo> emacs 22 isn't in the repos ?
[04:44] <The-Terminator> ah there you are Ruffy :)
[04:44] <ghostshadow189> what's terminator ?
[04:44] <babo> Is it stable ?
[04:45] <The-Terminator> terminator me \as in the film
[04:45] <loper06> what was the name of the windows app that can allow you to write to ur linux parition from windows?
[04:45] <jrib> !ext3
[04:45] <ubotu> ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[04:45] <loper06> thx
[04:45] <Flannel> babo: emacs 21 is in dapper repos
[04:45] <ghostshadow189> s1 help me pls
[04:46] <erickm> My girlfriend would like to play a nice rpg game for linux. She used to play some windows games but I rather see if she would like some native linux games before installing windows on another partition. I have tried using wine but with my experience it only seems to work on few games I've tried. Maybe becaise of my 64 bit architecture and forcing the i386 to install? So.. does anyone know of a single player rpg games? Something with impressi
[04:46] <ghostshadow189> i'm testing  "gnome-terminal --window --execute perl test.pl"  , after that it opened a terminal window , but this window disappeared . so how can i make it still appear to see the result of test.pl script ?
[04:46] <babo> Flannel: yes, but not emacs 22
[04:46] <hobbesmaster> uhm, just open a terminal window and execute it from there?
[04:46] <Flannel> babo: correct.  versions are frozen in repository.
[04:46] <d00by> anybody know why airodump-ng would freeze when running alongside aireplay-ng?
 need restart x?
[04:47] <Gk-s2-> brb
[04:47] <windtw> hello..Bug #63516 is fixed?
[04:47] <ArrenLex> Gk-s2: yes.
[04:48] <darkaura> okay I need help I'll explain my situation I tried formating my mp3 player with linux, so I could possible get songs on it, I messed it up I was wondering if it was possible to restore the original file system on it so I can use it again
[04:48] <mister_roboto> erickm: have you tried googling for linux rpg games?
 Didn't work
[04:49] <ArrenLex> darkura: every mp3 player I've seen has the option to reformat built in. Look through the menus.
[04:49] <erickm> yeah, I tried searching the ubuntu game forums too but could not find anything great for single player :/
[04:49] <Alakazam_> AIGLX, how can i get it.
[04:49] <The-Terminator> I know some games just got them from a linux mag
[04:49] <Shaezsche> anyone know how to get the intel wireless 3945 card working on ubuntu???
[04:49] <ArrenLex> Gk-s2: pastebin the output if "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE"
[04:50] <darkaura> I don't think this one does its an Curtis 256 meg mp3 player that directly plugs into the usb slot
[04:51] <wooptydoo> I used easyubuntu to install xine, and somehow I have 2 versions of the program installed it 2 different locations
 sorry can you say what i should type again?
[04:51] <ruff|brb> The-Terminator, wanna found bright-star and euro-chat here? :D
[04:51] <wooptydoo> Anyone know the repository for the xine that will play encrypted dvd's
[04:51] <babo> Flanne: what do you mean by 'frozen'. I wouldn't expect anyone to rename it ... but I figured that maybe the newer emacs 22 might be in there :P
[04:51] <ArrenLex> Gk-s2: pastebin the output if "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE"
[04:51] <wooptydoo> or a link to it?
[04:52] <Ciaus> I have installed Ubuntu 6.06 on my home PC, an IBM Model x40 - All in One unit - , and the very first tiem it cam e up just fine into Xserver....after doing online updates, it no longer goes into the GUI
[04:52] <guto> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26039/
[04:52] <ArrenLex> wooptydoo: you need to grab the libdvdcss package. This is not available in any ubuntu repositories because it's illegal essentially everywhere. You'll have to google for it.
[04:52] <totall_6_7> can anyone tell me why when i type users i get a list that is two of my user name??
http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26039/
[04:52] <AbortD> how do i use dual monitors with ubuntu?
[04:52] <wooptydoo> I got libdvdcss
[04:52] <Ciaus> I have tried to get back to a working gui by doing two whole reinstalls, to no avail
[04:52] <jrib> totall_6_7: type 'w'
[04:52] <jsilva> ArrenLex: thanks for the precompiled mplayer package, it does work ;)
[04:52] <The-Terminator> Ruffy we were thinking of putting them on viperirc but here would be a good place to
 how can i remove some shortcuts of keyboard
[04:52] <Ciaus> help
[04:52] <wooptydoo> easyubuntu installed that just fine
[04:52] <ArrenLex> jsilva: glad I could be of help!
[04:53] <wooptydoo> I just have 2 xines installed
[04:53] <ArrenLex> guto: like what?
[04:53] <ArrenLex> guto: Try restarting the machine completely. o_o that is very odd.
[04:53] <Buglouse> I've just installed MuSE 0.9.2 On my Ubuntu Distro.  The option to create a Lame Server is not available.. I only see the option to create a Ogg Server.  I have Lame installed and I can listen to mp3s using other media packages.  I would like to know how to get the Lame option in MuSE.
[04:53] <wickedpuppy> totall_6_7, open a new terminal and try it again ... see how many did you get
[04:53] <guto> k brb
[04:53] <thombone> wooptydoo: google for automatix and be happy :)
 xgl add a shorcut "Shift+Backspace" to restart X
[04:54] <wooptydoo> I installed that too
[04:54] <wickedpuppy> thombone, pls do not recommend automatix here
[04:54] <wickedpuppy> oh boy
[04:54] <totall_6_7> freaky   :0       -                29Sep06 ?xdm?   2:04   8.08s x-session-manag
[04:54] <totall_6_7> freaky   pts/2    :0.0             19:53    0.00s  0.16s  0.01s w
[04:54] <wooptydoo> and it screwed stuff up
[04:54] <mister_roboto> Ciaus: if X is broken from the upgrade, you might find a clue in the log /var/log/Xorg.0.log (or Xorg.0.log.old from previous time)
[04:54] <thombone> sorry didn't know
 I always mistake
[04:54] <wooptydoo> I just want to keep it simple
[04:54] <thombone> my bad, and aplogies
[04:54] <root> lame is an encoder... has nothing to do with listening AFAIK
[04:55] <wickedpuppy> totall_6_7, eh ah .... that has the answer in itself ?
[04:55] <Phuzion> How do I install mp3 codecs for gnome music player?
[04:56] <totall_6_7> wickedpuppy: sorry maybe i am being thick, but i dont quite understand it
[04:56] <jrib> ubotu: tell Phuzion about mp3
[04:56] <Ciaus> mister_roboto, thx.
[04:56] <HLM> !mp3
[04:56] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:56] <jrib> totall_6_7: when you open up a new terminal, it registers as another user
[04:57] <nikin> sry ... i was root :D
[04:57] <jrib> totall_6_7: the 'w' let's you see the command that the user is doing in the WHAT column
[04:57] <darkaura> !cdrom
[04:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cdrom - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:57] <Ciaus> !xserver
[04:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xserver - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:57] <The-Terminator> Ruffy?
[04:58] <wickedpuppy> totall_6_7, look at the second column first row.. :0 is the console .. look at the last value it says its running X .. second row says pts .. thats i think its public terminals
[04:58] <totall_6_7> jrib: thanks, now i get it, i CAN be thick at times lol
[04:58] <wickedpuppy> look for pts on google if you wanna know what is it
[04:58] <jrib> totall_6_7: :)
[04:58] <wickedpuppy> oh jrib already explained .. goodie
[04:58] <azureal> a few days ago I had managed to mess up my ubuntu (or at least X) by upgrading to edgy w/ apt... now i get a "no screens found" error, and it will not start the gui -- any advice?
[04:58] <ANTDx1> Hello.
[04:58] <The-Terminator> does anyone here use Mepis 6?
[04:59] <ArrenLex> azueral: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:59] <azureal> i've tried downgrading xserver-xorg
[04:59] <totall_6_7> wickedpuppy: thanks for the help :D
[04:59] <ANTDx1> I have a very big problem: my Ubuntu partition has a problem with networking and refuses to boot.
[04:59] <SeanTater> root cannot delete a directory. rm -rf has no effect, root is not permitted to lstat. What do I do about it?
[04:59] <azureal> ArrenLex, i think i tried that before, to no avail
[04:59] <wickedpuppy> totall_6_7, sometimes see where is the difference between the results ... thats usually the answer
 Did'nt work =\
[04:59] <ArrenLex> azureal: are you certain you're using the correct driver for your card?
[04:59] <wickedpuppy> SeanTater, ls -l on the dir and paste here pls
[05:00] <ArrenLex> Gk-s2: pastebin your entire /var/log/Xorg.0.log, please
[05:00] <azureal> ArrenLex, yea, i810-- it was already highlighted
[05:01] <SeanTater> wickedpuppy: total 0 \n drwxrwxrwx 3 root users 80 2006-10-08 22:45 My Webs (I replaced the newline with \n to have it on one line)
 I don't have any
[05:01] <azureal> ArrenLex, currently i'm backing up for a reinstall =/
[05:01] <wickedpuppy> SeanTater, thats 777 .. meaning anyone can do anything
[05:01] <azureal> i might have messed up something else along the way
[05:01] <SeanTater> wickedpuppy: but I can't
[05:01] <SeanTater> wickedpuppy: rm: cannot lstat `/media/disk/Sean/My Documents from Linspire/Really old data/Old Data//My Webs/Tiki Tan website/pictures_of_our_salon.htm': Permission denied
[05:02] <LSD`> OK, so I install edgy from a CD but now it's prompting me to do a full dist upgrade anyway, WTF?!?!
[05:02] <AAA> anyone here using kubuntu?
[05:02] <wickedpuppy> SeanTater, if i were you i would check on that file
[05:02] <ArrenLex> Gk-s2: you used to have one. What happened to it?
[05:02] <SeanTater> wickedpuppy: how?
 try /join #kubuntu
[05:02] <wickedpuppy> btw its a cd ?
[05:02] <bimberi> SeanTater: is that on a ntfs partition?
[05:02] <ArrenLex> AAA: I am.
[05:02] <azureal> ArrenLex, perhaps my debfoster pruning of gnome* might have had something to do with the errors.... i had attempted to upgrade to edgy w/o ubuntu-desktop package =)
[05:02] <wickedpuppy> SeanTater, is it a cd ? or windows partition ?
[05:02] <SeanTater> bimberi: nope
[05:03] <SeanTater> wickedpuppy: no, reiserfs
[05:03] <Gk-s2-> i typed gedit "var/log/Xorg.0.log" and make a new file
[05:03] <ArrenLex> azureal: what would happen if you tried reinstalling x-window-system-core and xserver-xorg?
[05:03] <AAA> ArrenLex  I just /join #kubuntu but I am wonder about the lack of sound from amarok
[05:03] <SeanTater> wickedpuppy: reiserfs 3, I think
[05:03] <wickedpuppy> SeanTater, then i would check on that file
[05:03] <ArrenLex> Gk-s2: slash at the beginning of that.
[05:03] <ArrenLex> Sorry, don't use Amarok.
[05:03] <erickm> Ok, everytime I download a game and try to run the binary I get this error-> error while loading shared libraries: libSDL-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory ... Now I have pretty much all the sdl development libraries installed. I also had to recompile a game I wrote just to run it on my machine. Can someone please help? I am using ubuntu64 bit
[05:03] <The-Terminator> Does anyone here use Mepis 6?
 ?
[05:04] <azureal> ArrenLex, because of my edgy sources, it would probably just get and install the same harmful versions
[05:04] <SeanTater> wickedpuppy: What should I look for? (and how)
[05:04] <AAA> ArrenLex  that is the default for kubuntu which used the xine engine that isn't installed , sup wit day?
[05:04] <burepe> Has anyone installed the Last Fm linux program? Is there an ubuntu package?
[05:04] <[5D] Silent_Chaos> I'm starting screen before logging in with init.d. Is there a way to start screen for a particular user to access after they log in?
[05:04] <mike-ekim> what is postfix for
[05:04] <wickedpuppy> SeanTater, see if the file exists and if it does can you delete it if not can you move it or something .. btw if it a shared partition ? why is it reiser ?
[05:04] <wickedpuppy> mike-ekim, mail server
[05:05] <erickm> can someone please help?
[05:05] <SeanTater> wickedpuppy: It's reiserfs because that's what linspire used by deafult when I created it
[05:05] <AAA> mike-ekim  mail transfer agent
[05:05] <SeanTater> wickedpuppy: it's an external hard drive
[05:05] <burepe> !last fm
[05:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about last fm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:06] <wickedpuppy> SeanTater, tell you what ... go to another dir ... and delete another file see if you can do so
[05:06] <mike-ekim> oh
[05:06] <mike-ekim> is it known to be good software, or too vulnerable to security exploits?
[05:06] <wickedpuppy> mike-ekim, its like sendmail
[05:06] <mike-ekim> i havent worked much with mail daemons
[05:06] <wickedpuppy> mike-ekim, its excellent
[05:06] <mike-ekim> kool
[05:06] <mike-ekim> :D
[05:07] <SeanTater> wickedpuppy: um -- I just moved the file I could not delete.. and it did move -- I'll see if I can delete it now
[05:07] <nikin> my router does not let me traceroute... is there any special setting needed?.. an open port?
[05:07] <AAA> mike-ekim  postix or exim or qmail is your best MTA bet
[05:07] <ghostshadow189> hi all , i'm testing  "gnome-terminal --window --execute perl test.pl"  , after that it opened a terminal window , but this window disappeared . so how can i make it still appear to see the result of test.pl script ? help me pls ?
[05:07] <wickedpuppy> SeanTater, ok
[05:07] <SeanTater> wickedpuppy: I've been deleting files on that partition all day
[05:07] <lakio> how can i get WMP9 streaming to come up embedded in firefox? gotta see my comedycentral.com videos
[05:07] <wickedpuppy> SeanTater, then perhaps only that file got the problem
[05:07] <ArrenLex> lakio: mplayer and mplayerplug-in.
[05:07] <lakio> ArrenLex: THANKS!
[05:08] <wickedpuppy> ghostshadow189, why do you need that gnome-termial windows thing ? i will just open up terminal and type perl test.pl
[05:08] <bimberi> nikin: what's the error?
[05:08] <SeanTater> wickedpuppy: seems so, I still cannot delete it
[05:08] <wickedpuppy> SeanTater, then reformat the drive
 and now?
[05:08] <wickedpuppy> if you want to delete everything
[05:08] <SeanTater> wickedpuppy: hey -- would it be possible to move it directly into /dev/null ?
[05:08] <wickedpuppy> SeanTater, try it
[05:09] <SeanTater> wickedpuppy: mv: cannot overwrite non-directory `/dev/null' with directory `/media/disk/nothing'
[05:09] <ghostshadow189> wickedpuppy : i want to make a script to add it to menus and when i click to it , it appear a terminal to run the script i want
[05:09] <ArrenLex> Gk-s2: and now what?
[05:09] <wickedpuppy> SeanTater, are you deleting everything ?
[05:09] <SeanTater> wickedpuppy: I have loads of GBs of important files on it, I can;t delete it..
 what should i do ?
[05:09] <SeanTater> wickedpuppy: no, I;m organizing
[05:10] <wickedpuppy> SeanTater, then backup those important files
[05:10] <wickedpuppy> clearly something is wrong ...
[05:10] <SeanTater> wickedpuppy: My backups went wild, and I;m colsolidating
[05:10] <ArrenLex> Gk-s2" are you sure you don't have /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[05:10] <nikin> binberi.. when i try to traceroute i get to <IP_ADDRESS> , my router.. but not any further
[05:10] <wickedpuppy> SeanTater, if backup went wild then something already went wrong even before you got to this error ?
[05:11] <wickedpuppy> ghostshadow189, ok ... ask in #perl
[05:11] <SeanTater> wickedpuppy: no, it wasn;t automated, it's just that over years of backups I kept them in different folders..
[05:11] <SeanTater> wickedpuppy: I've spend about a week putting them together --
[05:12] <wickedpuppy> SeanTater, you put your backup into that drive ? but now you are deleting old stuff?
[05:12] <Gk-s2-> hmm now i have =D
[05:13] <Gk-s2-> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26040/
[05:15] <darkaura> okay when I try to format my mp3 player to fat16 it deletes the partition fine, but it gives me the following error:: Error committing device this can happen when a device is mounted in the disk try to unmount all partitions on this disk.   I don't have any partitions mounted
[05:15] <digip1mp> i give up
[05:15] <digip1mp> wireless just wasn't meant to be
[05:15] <SeanTater> wickedpuppy: I put all my backups on that drive. But they were a backup here, and a backup there, not really very well managed. So I'm trying to keep them in one place now. I'm deleting the duplicates. Nothing big or fancy..
[05:15] <erickm> ok, each game I find does not work with amd64 chips. Does anyone know where I can find some good rpg games for my architecture? :/
[05:16] <erickm> I wanted to try lost labyrinth, i forced the deb install but it didn't work
[05:16] <wickedpuppy> night dude
[05:17] <Josh43> Anyone running a multimonitor setup?
[05:17] <Josh43> and not xinerama?
 http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26040/
[05:18] <ArrenLex> lakio: what are we thanking me for? xD
[05:18] <siriusnova> dang
[05:18] <darkaura> anyone have suggestions on what I can do?
[05:18] <siriusnova> north korea tested a nuke
[05:18] <ArrenLex> ...please ignore me.
[05:19] <ArrenLex> Gk-s2: I saw it, man.
[05:19] <MTecknology> i'm trying to follow these instructions now - http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25151 ... i dide dmesg | grep wacom - and got nothing... then i searched synaptics for wacom and everything it returned was installed
[05:19] <MTecknology> so, what do i do?
 and?
[05:20] <macographer> Can someone tell me what OCaml is, in reference to the libpcre-ocaml package?
[05:20] <macographer> i'm trying to figure out if that's the package i need.
[05:20] <ArrenLex> Sorry, I don't know... you should be fine. The best I can tell you is to suggest a guide that worked for me with an nvidia card. But you should be fine and I don't know what your problem is. Sorry.
[05:20] <Gk-s2-> =) ok
[05:20] <Gk-s2-> thank you
[05:21] <Lam_> how do i correctly play back RM files? (real media)  or, preferably, how do i sucessfully convert said RM file into something better?
[05:21] <ArrenLex> Gk-s2: http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt
[05:21] <ArrenLex> Lam: mplayer and mencoder, respectively! :D
[05:21] <Lam_> ArrenLex, lol thanks
[05:22] <five_linux> ok... lets say i'm booting my system, and apparently hdb1 has some fs errors, but its locking up while checking the drive.... is there a way to just check the drive in the background and keep booting?
[05:23] <Josh43> five_linux, you can CTRL-C it, then check it again once you are booted
[05:23] <holycow> siriusnova, no geologic activity has been detected
[05:23] <holycow> no one knows yet
[05:23] <ArrenLex> five_linux: no, because you cannot have the filesystem write-mounted if you're fscking it.
[05:23] <Josh43> five_linux, I ran into that same problem, but doing esc (to cancel the graphc boot loader), then ctrl-c to cancel the scan
[05:23] <ArrenLex> five_linux: you can, of course, cancel the scan, as others have suggested.
[05:24] <PauloFurquim> Hello everbody..Good evening
[05:24] <ArrenLex> !hi
[05:24] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu!
[05:24] <siriusnova> holycow - is there a link to any place that has live siesmic activity feeds?
[05:24] <bruenig> lol, there is a !hi factoid
[05:25] <holycow> siriusnova, not sure, us geologic survey might?
[05:25] <five_linux> dangit waht the heck
[05:26] <YBH_1> anyon eknow why fetchmail is silent when retrieving email on th ecommandline I tried fetchmail -vv which just showed a liost of UIDL's but not stating what email is being retreived.
[05:26] <five_linux> can't esc from graphic bootloader...  when it starts checking the drive tho it drops to console view, except I can't seem to ctrl-c the fsck process
[05:26] <YouCeyE> i am behind a router and no-ip client does not get wan ip.. it is getting 192.168.0.x address.. how can i fix this?
[05:26] <Josh43> YouCeyE, the linux client, I assume?
[05:26] <YouCeyE> yes
[05:27] <kitche> YouCeyE: it will get your local address but it sends gets the wan address also
[05:27] <Josh43> YouCeyE, Official one? cause I know there is a setting in the windows version to query for the ip externally
[05:27] <YouCeyE> how?
[05:27] <YouCeyE> its the same case with dyndns client
[05:28] <YouCeyE> kitche, how to force it to get wan address
[05:28] <kitche> YouCeyE: it grabs it automaticlly but set up port forwarding
[05:28] <YouCeyE> what port? kitche
[05:29] <TheMoebius> if I have an rpm for a package how should I convert that to a .deb to install in ubuntu?
[05:29] <kitche> YouCeyE: the port that the client uses
[05:29] <kitche> TheMoebius: use alien
[05:30] <darkaura> how would I enable a disk to wrote to if root mounts the disk
[05:30] <loper06> can i use vmware w/ the ex2 ifs plugin for windows?
[05:30] <holycow> yes butyour windows gueswt won't be able to see your hd
[05:30] <hoodlum_> hi, erm. my inet times out frequently, like every few minutes then starts working again, im kinda confused to as why its doing this, im guessing it may be a route issue
[05:30] <holycow> you still haveto setup file sharing via vmware gui dealier which basically shares a local folder via samba anyway
[05:30] <Arafangion> hoodlum_: It could be /anything/
[05:31] <holycow> so its a pointless idea
[05:31] <hoodlum_> heh.. yer
[05:31] <hoodlum_> i figured
[05:31] <hoodlum_> but like, its frustrating
[05:31] <hoodlum_> doesnt time out in windows on my laptop
[05:31] <hoodlum_> but for some reason, on my desktop it likes to do so
[05:31] <loper06> holycow: so the only way to transfer files with vmware is to use samba?
[05:31] <Josh43> loper06, Yes
[05:32] <Arafangion> loper06: It's the best way.
[05:32] <Arafangion> loper06: There's other ways, but they're extremely convoluted.
[05:32] <ixian> someone here mentioned earlier a program that makes uninstalling programs that were compiled from source easier/less messy.. does anyone know what it it called?
[05:32] <Josh43> loper06, And potentially damaging
[05:32] <bioticpro> How can I enter interactive boot setup in Ubuntu?  (tried hitting "I" , didn't work)
[05:32] <loper06> err. sorta stupid.
[05:32] <kitche> ixian: checkinstall
[05:32] <ixian> yeah thats the one..
[05:32] <loper06> but u cant get everything
[05:32] <holycow> loper06, its just that why would you even ask?
[05:32] <ixian> thanks
[05:32] <holycow> it is a trully stupid question
[05:33] <holycow> because vmware actually gives you a transparent gui to set up file transfers
[05:33] <ixian> !checkinstall
[05:33] <ubotu> checkinstall is a wrapper to "make install", useful for installing programs you compiled. It will create a .deb package, which will be listed in the APT database and can be uninstalled like other packages. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CheckInstall  -  Please: Read the warnings at the top and bottom of that web page. - DO NOT interrupt CheckInstall while it's running!
[05:33] <holycow> loper06, lol i just read what i wrote, i don't mean to sound like a jerk
[05:33] <holycow> :)
[05:33] <holycow> hehe
[05:33] <holycow> sorry
[05:33] <loper06> heh. np.
[05:34] <loper06> imo i like instant feedback
[05:34] <loper06> rather than wait 5 mins and get feedback
[05:35] <holycow> loper06, think of it this way, vmware gives you a convenient transfer mechanism ... once you have your guest os installed you can do whatever that guest os lets you
[05:37] <five_linux> uuuuuuuggggghhh
[05:37] <five_linux> tons of I/O errors on this drive...
[05:37] <freemind> see whos there
[05:37] <freemind> holycow
[05:37] <freemind> how are you mate
[05:38] <holycow> >_>
[05:38] <holycow> cool,  you?
[05:38] <freemind> me2 :) how u doin
[05:38] <macographer> can anyone tell me where libpcre3 is usually installed? i can't seem to find it with locate, and i need to tell nginx where it's located.
[05:39] <Dyegov> Hi, I need help, I can't play any MP3 file in Ubuntu, it just doesn't recognize it, and also I can see youtube videos but they don't have sound, and I think it's due to the same problem T_T
[05:39] <jmerlin> anyone know why my dvd won't play on my ubuntu?
[05:39] <holycow> !dvd
[05:39] <ubotu> See http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html  Libdvdcss can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[05:39] <holycow> !mp3
[05:39] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:39] <holycow> !flash
[05:39] <holycow> !sound
[05:39] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure alsa is selected by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (Alsa Mixer).  when compiling mplayer plug-in for opera. Do I need to install some kind of "Gtk Libs" to do this compile correctly?
[05:45] <jmerlin> that DVD mounted fine
[05:45] <jmerlin> the other one didn't
[05:46] <Clarrisa> does anyone know where the commands in the #ubuntu keyboard buffer are stored?  I'd like to dump everything I've typed at the commandline tonight out to a file, or, if it's in a file already, would like to back it up somewhere
[05:47] <MrKeuner> hi, what's the best way to use for ubuntu macosx networking regarding file sharing?
[05:47] <Josh43> "How do I get this DVD/CD I bought on to my computer? What software do I need?"  "We have this great analog to digital transfer software, very easy: you enter in the name of your DVD, and 'torrent'" - transfers very quickly"
[05:47] <Josh43> MrKeuner, Samba on both ends
[05:48] <wilssgrant> Basically my question is this: What do I need to download in synaptic to be able to compile a GTK application
[05:48] <MrKeuner> Josh43/ is it safe?
[05:48] <MrKeuner> Josh43/ those are laptops
[05:48] <Dagny> Hi
[05:48] <Josh43> MrKeuner, Define safe; is it a home network? is it a wireless system?
[05:48] <evn> can someone suggest a way to force restart remotely when the root filesystem is borked? i can log in as root via ssh but sftp doesn't work so i can't put a copy of halt in /boot
[05:49] <evn> changing the runlevel does nothing
[05:49] <MrKeuner> Josh43/ those are laptops and are connected to several networks in the daytime
[05:49] <Dagny> Hello.  I'm a Linux noobie, but need to become proficient at Linux for vocational reasons.  Would Ubuntu be a good program to learn Linux with?
[05:49] <macographer> it looks to me like i already have libpcre3 installed, but i'm trying to install nginx (server software) and it can't seem to find it. it has a configuration option to tell it where the lib is located, but i don't know what to tell it. can anyone tell me where the default location is?
[05:49] <Josh43> MrKeuner, Well, unlike windows: Samba on OSX and linux is fairly safe; you can set user level permissions, etc
[05:49] <erickm> can someone help with a game running issue?
[05:50] <Josh43> MrKeuner, If you /really/ want to be safe; look up sharing both ways with 'sshfs'
[05:50] <Squatch> !smb
[05:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about smb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:50] <MrKeuner> Josh43/ I would be afraid if people gain access to not shared places thorough samba
[05:50] <DarkMageZ> Dagny, ubuntu would be a good linux distro to start off with. but sbcglobal has banned their users from using it
[05:50] <Josh43> MrKeuner, Set up right; those people would have to brute-force the username and password
[05:51] <Dagny> Really ?
[05:51] <Dagny> I wonder why.
[05:51] <Dagny> Is that just for Ubuntu or all Linux distros?
[05:51] <DarkMageZ> Dagny, all linux. just don't mension you're using linux and you're fine :P
[05:51] <Josh43> MrKeuner, Plus, you only give access to the folders you explicitly share: System > Administration > SHared Folders
[05:51] <Dagny> No prob.  My  main rig is Win XP anyway.
[05:51] <holycow> Dagny, vocational reasons? heh
[05:51] <holycow> neat
[05:52] <holycow> care to explain?
[05:52] <holycow> :)
[05:52] <Dagny> I just need to take my old P3 533 and turn it into a Linux box.
[05:52] <holycow> Dagny, pick any distro it doesn't matter
[05:52] <Dagny> Family connection type of hire.
[05:52] <MrKeuner> Josh43/ OK I'll do your advice. Thank you very much
[05:52] <holycow> Dagny, you want to start with maybe ubuntu first, then learn debian which is nearly identical, then try all the other ones
[05:52] <holycow> you need to understand the general concepts as well as distribution specifics
[05:52] <Dagny> I figure I'll be doing lots of installs and uninstalls.
[05:53] <Dagny> Would a 3.2 Gb hd be sufficient?  What's the difference between Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu?  (Hard to tell from the main webpage.)
[05:54] <Josh43> Dagny, When you get serious enough: Try Gentoo from Stage 1: it's a huge learning experience, and you walk away after a couple days with a fairly good understanding of the inner workings
[05:54] <jmerlin> DarkMageZ, are they allowed to do that?
[05:54] <jmerlin> i'm quite sure it's illegal to force your customers to use an operating system
[05:54] <kitche> Josh43: to bad stage1 is no longer supported for Gentoo
[05:54] <jmerlin> or .. not
[05:54] <jmerlin> "you can't go to this school unless your parents live in a 2 story 1 million dollar house and you drive a $40,000 car minimum
[05:54] <Josh43> jmerlin, They are service provider: they can make any rule they want as long as people go along with it
[05:54] <jmerlin> sue sbcglobal if that's true.
[05:54] <Dagny> Thanks for the advice, JMerlin.
[05:55] <wilssgrant> Guys, I am trying to ./configure source of a program and it keeps telling me "ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO BUILD WITHOUT GTK? BECAUSE mplayerplug-in WITHOUT GTK TAKES AWAY FUNCTIONALITY"  Any ideas how to get it to build with gtk then?
[05:55] <DarkMageZ> jmerlin, don't ask me about american law...
[05:55] <Josh43> kitche, Really? 2 and up? why?
[05:55] <jmerlin> i'm quite certain they don't prohibit linux
[05:55] <kitche> Josh43: They onyl support stage3 now
[05:55] <Dagny> Er, Thanks Josh.
[05:55] <jmerlin> it's more secure than windows and it has a less cluttered tcp/ip stack so it's much more efficient on bandwidth..
[05:56] <DarkMageZ> jmerlin, but it's a known fact that if you even mension linux to the tech support... they tell you "it's a hacker os" and they threaten to disconnect you
[05:56] <jmerlin> i'd figure they would promote linux lol
[05:56] <keleus> how does one go about checking a file with a .DIGESTS file?
[05:56] <keleus> md5sum doesnt like it
[05:56] <wilssgrant> Anyone able to help with my problem?
[05:56] <evn> or mine?
[05:56] <holycow> jmerlin, the biggest advantage imho is freedom.  no one can take it away from you.
[05:56] <DarkMageZ> jmerlin, this was their policy 2 years ago... i don't know if it has changed since
[05:57] <holycow> and it will live as long as its users decide to keep it alive
[05:57] <bioticpro> I am having problems booting, stops while trying to load a driver, what should I append to bootloader line to allow interactive boot, or to get to a shell?
[05:57] <Josh43> wilssgrant, Look through synaptic for gtk dev, and install any dev package you run across
[05:57] <MrKeuner> oops, help E: samba: subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 102
[05:57] <wickedpuppy> wilssgrant, first what is the program ..second have you search it in the repos .. third have you read README or INSTALL ?
[05:57] <keleus> DarkMageZ, funny thing is, at the office i work half the desk does java, linux, etc
[05:57] <macographer> can anyone suggest a method for me to find where a library is located?
[05:57] <jmerlin> linux isn't a hacker OS.. i could hack just as well on windows as i could on linux -_-
[05:57] <Dagny> Thanks a lot, everyone.  I'm going to take my old rig and see if I can get Ubuntu up and running.
[05:57] <wickedpuppy> macographer, usually in /usr/lib .. why not just tell us the library ?
[05:58] <Josh43> jmerlin, better, in some cases
[05:58] <DarkMageZ> jmerlin, please tell sbcglobal that... make them listen
[05:58] <Josh43> Dagny, HAVE FUN!
[05:58] <macographer> wickedpuppy: well, i have, actually. this is the first time i got a response lol.
[05:58] <DarkMageZ> keleus, yeah, the only way sbcglobal ever finds out is if you tell them :P
[05:58] <macographer> wickedpuppy: i'm looking for the libpcre3
[05:58] <wilssgrant> wickedpuppy: program is mplayerplug-in, I am compiling it for use with opera, yes I have searched the repos but im not sure what exactly I should install in the repos to solve this
[05:58] <jmerlin> Dagny, if they say anything about you running linux on that machine.. tell them they can pay for your windows XP Professional and all the accompanying software if they want you to use it
[05:58] <wickedpuppy> macographer, try this sudo find / -name "*libpcre3*" -print
[05:59] <wickedpuppy> wilssgrant, mozilla-mplayer - MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla
[05:59] <wickedpuppy> get this
[05:59] <macographer> wickedpuppy: ah. thanks.
[05:59] <xUnaBx> hello
[05:59] <darkaura> holycow maybe you can help me
[05:59] <wickedpuppy> macographer, np
[05:59] <wilssgrant> wickedpuppy: I am building this for opera not mozilla
[05:59] <Josh43> wilssgrant, the -dev packages contain all the code that apps use to compile.. it's just a matter of grabbing the right one (though installing more than you need makes zero impact, except in HD space)
[05:59] <keleus> soo.... nobody has ever worked with a .DIGESTS file?
[05:59] <wickedpuppy> LOL pardon me
[06:00] <keleus> i would like to make sure that 1.2gb download wasn't a waste of time
[06:00] <holycow> dark, with what?
[06:00] <jmerlin> and i would highly suggest learning the gcc commandline very well
[06:00] <wilssgrant> Josh43: thats what I'm trying to ask, which -dev packages should I install to make this work
[06:00] <jmerlin> most IDE's i've tried for linux produce so much bloat it scares me
[06:00] <Josh43> wilssgrant, Since I'm not sure, my vote is anything with 'gtk' and 'dev' in the name
[06:01] <darkaura> okay I tried formating my mp3 player yesterday bad idea now it doesn't work is there a program for linux that I can reformat my mp3 player so it works its a Curtis 256 meg mp3 player
[06:01] <wickedpuppy> wilssgrant, i can't find it on repo ... well then can't help ya there .. i don't use opera
[06:01] <bruenig> darkaura, you installed new firmware or what?
[06:01] <darkaura> no new firmware installed
[06:01] <MrKeuner> invoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: /etc/rc2.d/k09samba what does this mean?
[06:01] <holycow> darkaura, formatting the storage aread wouldn't really do anything unless its in a file system it doesn't understand
[06:02] <bruenig> darkaura, what did you do in "formatting" t
[06:02] <holycow> you would use the same method for formatting it, you just haveto research what file system it expects
[06:02] <bruenig> it
[06:02] <jmerlin> anything interesting on slashdot today?
[06:02] <wilssgrant> Josh43: the readme says it requires GTK2 development package which I have installed
[06:02] <bruenig> !offtopic
[06:02] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[06:02] <keleus> !digests
[06:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about digests - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:02] <keleus> arg why does nobody want to tell me what do do with this thing?
[06:02] <Lam_> !dvd
[06:02] <ubotu> See http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html  Libdvdcss can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[06:03] <keleus> i have a has hand i have NO WAY to tell how to use it
[06:03] <tritium> keleus: use what?
[06:03] <keleus> a .DIGESTS file
[06:03] <keleus> it has some kind of ssh1 and md5 sum
[06:03] <keleus> but i cant get openssl OR md5sum to work with it
[06:03] <str8edge> is this for dapper only or edgy issues too?
[06:03] <wickedpuppy> keleus, if nobody is helping ya then try goggle ...
[06:03] <darkaura> okay I think its fat12 that my mp3 player uses
[06:03] <tritium> str8edge: dapper
[06:03] <jmerlin> hey holycow, do you know any good sites to learn the linux kernel from early versions all the way up to 2.6.18 with information and cross-referencing?
[06:03] <xUnaBx> hello, i'm running dsl on a libretto c70, and i'm on my way to buy a wifi card for it (pcmcia or usb). What brand/model shall i opt for ?
[06:03] <str8edge> is there a channel for edgy?
[06:03] <keleus> wickedpuppy, i tried, but google keeps stripping out the period
[06:04] <keleus> and i keep getting crap about magazines
[06:04] <xUnaBx> oops
[06:04] <tritium> str8edge: #ubuntu+1
[06:04] <bruenig> #ubuntu+1
[06:04] <xUnaBx> wrong chan
[06:04] <bioticpro> Can anybody please help?  I can no longer get ubuntu to boot completely, it stops while trying to load firmware for a TVCard, and won't continue.
[06:04] <rbd> hey guys, I'm running 6.06 and having problems installing asterisk-classic ... says that libgsm and libspeex are broken (they don't even show up in my list of packages via dselect, and yes I've done a apt-get update... do I need to enable software from backports, or grab multiverse ? (coming from debian so I'm not totally sure how ubuntu orders its stuff yet)
[06:04] <holycow> jmerlin, no one would bother with such a thing.  you will haveto dig up all that stuff manually
[06:04] <Josh43> wilssgrant, Keep in mind that sometimes ubuntu names packages a little different; I ran into the same issue once.. not sure what package it was, but it wasn't in the readme... if it tells you what file is mission, you can find what package exactly contains it
[06:04] <jmerlin> =(
[06:04] <jmerlin> it would be very nice of someone to do lol
[06:04] <wickedpuppy> keleus, btw what do you want to do with that file ? actually what is the problem ?
[06:05] <keleus> i want to verify the hash
[06:05] <bronaugh> guys, I just installed ubuntu 6.06/amd64 on a new machine; Radeon 7000 AGP video card. when I move the mouse the system crashes.
[06:05] <harrism> hello everyone, almost every game I find will not run because I have an amd64 chip. Does anyone know where I can find some good games?
[06:05] <keleus> i just downloaded a liveDVD and i want to check the hash before sending it over SMB to the computer that has a dvd burner
[06:05] <wickedpuppy> keleus, and how did you search on the google ? the search phrase was ??
[06:05] <bruenig> harrism, did you install the 64 bit version?
[06:05] <jmerlin> http://lxr.linux.no/source/?v=1.0.9
[06:05] <jmerlin> that's cool but it only has a few versions
[06:05] <KEA0463> hello
[06:06] <jmerlin> i want it from 0.0.1 to 2.6.18 =(
[06:06] <keleus> ".digests" file verify
[06:06] <KEA0463> i got a question about ubuntu
[06:06] <keleus> KEA0463, we got answers
[06:06] <KEA0463> ok
[06:06] <bruenig> this is no room for ubuntu questions
[06:06] <Dagny> I have a 160 GB hard drive that's already partioned into four partitions, would it be possible to simply install into one of those partitions without losing the Win 98 install in the other partition?
[06:06] <wickedpuppy> keleus, have you try putting .digest behind ? like verify .digest file ?
[06:06] <harrism> that is just the thing, I cannnot find 64 bit versions. :/
[06:06] <bronaugh> I'd love some answers.
[06:06] <harrism> the only games I have are what is in my repos
[06:06] <kane_> Hi i have a package that i wish to remove but apt-get wishes to remove all of XORG and ubuntu-desktop to do so.   It is not a package that should have this requirement.  Its just the nvidia-beta drivers.
[06:06] <KEA0463> um how do i make my terminal see through without windows
[06:06] <kane_> is there a force remove option somehow?
[06:06] <bruenig> harrism, no the ubuntu version that you did install, was it the 64 bit or the 32 bit?
[06:06] <harrism> all the deb packages are for i386 and forcing the install does not work
[06:07] <harrism> oh sorry, ubuntu 64 bit with an amd 64 bit
[06:07] <bruenig> harrism, must be 64, you should install the 32 bit version
[06:07] <keleus> why will google not accept the period?
[06:07] <keleus> even in quotes it strips it out
[06:07] <wilssgrant> Josh43: Is there a generic file that is needed to compile GTK applications because I don't see anything that I need to install
[06:07] <harrism> really? :/ so not many games for me
[06:08] <wickedpuppy> keleus, that i do not know but i suppose you can go mad over it or go around that by putting .digest behind ... your choice really ..
[06:08] <keleus> is there a %## code for a period?
[06:08] <KEA0463> how do i make my terminal see through without windows
[06:08] <keleus> i tried putting it behind
[06:08] <keleus> no change
[06:08] <keleus> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=verify+%22.digests%22+file&btnG=Google+Search
[06:08] <keleus> and look at the results
[06:08] <bruenig> keleus, the magic of wikipedia should inform http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MD5#Applications
[06:08] <harrism> bruenig, do you know of any rpgs that I can run? I like nethack but was looking for something like diablo
[06:08] <KEA0463>  how do i make my terminal see through without windows
[06:09] <bruenig> harrism, not big into the games but I can tell you that unless you go with the 32 bit, you aren't going to find much
[06:09] <harrism> ok, thanks
[06:09] <wickedpuppy> keleus, try this "md5 .digest verify"
[06:09] <KEA0463>  how do i make my terminal see through without windows
[06:09] <bruenig> KEA0463, without windows?
[06:09] <bronaugh> it doesn't crash when I use the onboard video
[06:09] <KEA0463> yeah you know the command line
[06:09] <bruenig> what is windows?
[06:10] <keleus> bruenig, er... spurious link? (totally unrelated info)
[06:10] <KEA0463> can i make it so its see through
[06:10] <wickedpuppy> KEA0463, transparent terminal background ?
[06:10] <bruenig> well you said you didn't know what it was
[06:10] <KEA0463> yeah thats what i meant
[06:10] <kitche> KEA0463: umm no sicne it will be just black but you can make it have a background
[06:10] <keleus> wickedpuppy, that wont work, it will look for the whole phrase.
[06:10] <KEA0463> how?
[06:10] <keleus> aah oh well. im sure it downloaded fine
[06:10] <jmerlin> any linux devs in the house? =>
[06:11] <wickedpuppy> KEA0463, go to edit -> current profile -> effect
[06:11] <Se7h> could some one help me on the webcam spca5 driver? (edgy)
[06:11] <bronaugh> jmerlin: yeah, but right now I'm more like a linux murderer.
[06:11] <jmerlin> how so?
[06:11] <Se7h> bronaugh rof
[06:11] <keleus> i would think it would be more common knowledge, i see these files all over mirrors
[06:11] <keleus> or does everyone just ignore em :)
[06:11] <wickedpuppy> keleus, i suppose i am not part of everyone ...
[06:12] <bronaugh> jmerlin: just installed ubuntu; threw my Radeon 7000 in there to replace the Via onboard; and now if there's sufficient graphics activity while the mouse moves the system wedges solid.
[06:12] <KEA0463> ok i got it
[06:12] <jmerlin> my system is locking up once in a while too
[06:12] <jmerlin> radeon 9700 pro
[06:13] <KEA0463> now how do i erase the tile arou nd it
[06:13] <kitche> jmerlin: have you installed any packages lately?
[06:13] <bronaugh> nice. which little ubuntu rat borked the Radeon driver.
[06:13] <wickedpuppy> keleus, i can find out md5 checksum but not digest
[06:14] <keleus> wickedpuppy, im pastebinning the DIGESTS file, maybe you would recognize it?
[06:14] <jmerlin> many.
[06:14] <wilssgrant> Josh43: You there?
[06:14] <wickedpuppy> maybe ... try
[06:14] <kane_> Hi i have a package that i wish to remove but apt-get wishes to remove all of XORG and ubuntu-desktop to do so.   It is not a package that should have this requirement.  Its just the nvidia-beta drivers.
[06:14] <ryan__> has anyone had any trubble with firefox randomly quitting
[06:14] <darkaura> are there any generic mp3player utilities out there that could possibly help me
[06:15] <holycow> ryan__, depends on the plugins and extensions you have installed
[06:15] <wickedpuppy> kane_, if you do not tell us the package name ... how do you think we can help ya ?
[06:15] <holycow> a lot of times you remove all extensions and its back to normal
[06:15] <wickedpuppy> ...
[06:15] <bronaugh> awesome.
[06:15] <bronaugh> who's fahmi-lonly
[06:15] <silvertip257> hello sethk, are you at your keyboard ?
[06:15] <Lam_> if i have VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS folders on my desktop, can i just burn them to a Data DVD using GnomeBaker and have it work on my DVD player?
[06:15] <keleus> forgive the spam, pastebin broke...
[06:15] <keleus> # MD5 HASH
[06:15] <keleus> 97459098b26e1b79ffb1d36f71f29197 livedvd-i686-installer-2006.1.iso
[06:15] <keleus> # SHA1 HASH
[06:15] <keleus> 386e68e235c3515df02310161dafec53a3ff28fd livedvd-i686-installer-2006.1.iso
[06:15] <bronaugh> and which client was that that is overflowed by that request?
[06:15] <kitche> an idiot that taking advantage of exploitable routers
[06:16] <deceptacon> hey stop sending me crap
[06:16] <deceptacon> fahmi-lonly
[06:16] <tritium> keleus: stop pasting please
[06:16] <wickedpuppy> keleus, do this md5sum filename
[06:16] <kitche> bronaugh: it's the people's routers
[06:16] <keleus> tritium, pastebin gave me a database error, what choice did i have?
[06:16] <bronaugh> kitche: uhh. wouldn't the router have to be doing layer 7 crap to be affected?
[06:16] <keleus> wickedpuppy, did that. didn't work
[06:16] <tritium> keleus: another pastebin, or #flood
[06:16] <wickedpuppy> keleus, are you registered ? then pm me
[06:17] <kitche> bronaugh: umm it's has to do with the packet quality option in the routers
[06:17] <bronaugh> packet quality? you mean QoS?
[06:17] <macographer> does anyone have any experience with the server software nginx?
[06:17] <bronaugh> because a DCC send request with a long length isn't going to cause that to wedge.
[06:18] <kitche> bronaugh: it tries to open a port that it can't
[06:18] <bronaugh> fun.
[06:18] <bronaugh> so the content of the request doesn't matter eh? just the source and dest ports?
[06:18] <kitche> bronaugh: as long as it's a long string
[06:19] <RealFG> Hello all. I'm trying to get setup with audacity and I can't seem to find where to set the Input source to be the line in on my sound card. Any thoughts?
[06:19] <ryan__> my firefox keeps crashing any idea why or how to fix
[06:19] <bronaugh> kitche: causing the packet to fragment?
[06:19] <holycow> ryan__, i just told you
[06:19] <holycow> please read goddammit
[06:19] <kitche> bronaugh: yeah but it's sorta like the router DDOS's itself
[06:19] <jmerlin> bronaugh, you a part of any linux dev projects right now?
[06:19] <RyEINic> ryan__, i had to uninstall my extensions to get ff working again
[06:19] <ryan__> oh inm forry...i must have missed it
[06:20] <KEA0463> there i made the text on my terminal bright green
[06:20] <bronaugh> jmerlin: not really active, though I've contributed to rewind, ltsp, and a few others.
[06:20] <KEA0463> with a brown background
[06:20] <kitche> ryan__: most likely it is the extensiosn that you have installed but it's segfaulting which can be caused by many things
[06:21] <jmerlin> myself and a few buddies are starting up a dx library for linux.. which can be compiled against using the directx headers used to write dx apps on windows
[06:21] <jmerlin> if you want to join in you're welcome to =)
[06:21] <RealFG> What would /dev/dsp  be?
[06:21] <bronaugh> jmerlin: why not start with the WINE code?
[06:22] <holycow> jmerlin, wtf would you do something like that?
[06:22] <holycow> your just doing the work for ms
[06:22] <holycow> for free
[06:22] <ryan__> the only extension i have is the english language pack
[06:22] <kitche> RealFG: it's what OSS uses to output sound Alsa uses /dev/asound or /dev/snd/asound
[06:22] <RealFG> kitche: Hmm. Thanks.
[06:23] <kitche> RealFG: OSS stands for Open Sound System in that context
[06:23] <bronaugh> oh, lovely. I just made ubuntu crash again.
[06:23] <bronaugh> that was easy.
[06:23] <holycow> bronaugh, ubuntu doesnt' cras, components crash
[06:23] <holycow> identify the component and fix it
[06:23] <bronaugh> holycow: I can't ping the machine now.
[06:24] <brendonjt> hi all  it has been a while since i have been in here how is everyone?
[06:24] <bronaugh> holycow: ubuntu, as a whole, crashed.
[06:24] <KEA0463> my laptop runs great with ubuntu
[06:24] <bronaugh> holycow: not even a kernel oops.
[06:24] <holycow> not possible, ubuntu as a whole doesn't exist
[06:24] <RealFG> kitche: Ah. I'm trying to set Audacity to record and /dev/dsp is the only option. But I can't seem to chose the line in for recording.
[06:24] <KEA0463> better the xp
[06:24] <holycow> if you crashed the kernel then th ekernel crashed
[06:24] <macographer> nginx?
[06:24] <bronaugh> KEA0463: no, actually, XP would be more stable than this.
[06:24] <bronaugh> when I move the mouse when there's some graphics activity going on, the machine crashes and can't be pinged anymore.
[06:24] <dragonriot> bronaugh... then go back to XP and quit your bitchin...
[06:24] <kitche> the kernel is linux that's the only thing that is linux actually :)
[06:25] <holycow> bronaugh, your graphics driver is crashing
[06:25] <holycow> bronaugh, why not fix that?
[06:25] <bronaugh> dragonriot: no, I'll go back to Debian, thank you very much.
[06:25] <jmerlin_> sorry, system locked up =(
[06:25] <brendonjt> holycow: i agree  with you there  with that
[06:25] <KEA0463> i thought ubuntu us debian
[06:25] <holycow> ubuntu isn't crashing, your doing something dumb basically, pro bably running unsupported drivers on an unsupported video card
[06:25] <bronaugh> holycow: if Xorg were crashing, I'd still be able to ping the machine.
[06:26] <jmerlin_> we're not gonna use wine's stuff because it's going to be a high-efficiency implementation.. so people can basically compile their dx apps on windows for linux to run natively
[06:26] <holycow> bronaugh, not necessarily but anywhoo :)
[06:26] <bronaugh> holycow: Radeon 7000, stock Ubuntu. just installed.
[06:26] <jmerlin_> the d3d will basically be mapped to opengl calls.. for now anyway
[06:26] <bronaugh> holycow: that's pretty vanilla.
[06:26] <holycow> if your going back to debian, ehe i think that great at least you are using the good stuff :)
[06:26] <kitche> jmerlin_: umm that's like that one project that is trying to make it so exe work in linux but natively
[06:26] <holycow> however you are saying some rather dumb things, if you are using debian  you should know that a distro doesn't crash, there is no such thing as a whole
[06:26] <jmerlin_> we don't want an exe to run natively
[06:26] <KEA0463> whats the best linux version in the world?
[06:27] <wickedpuppy> KEA0463, freebsd
[06:27] <jmerlin_> we just want to be able to compile a dx app with gcc on a linux machine and run it natively =)
[06:27] <jmerlin_> without needing wine or any messy crap
[06:27] <holycow> jmerlin, why?
[06:27] <kitche> wickedpuppy ? lo.
[06:27] <KEA0463> how do i get freebsd
[06:27] <holycow> jmerlin, why would you work for the devil?
[06:27] <jmerlin_> just 1 lib, idx  indirectx
[06:28] <KEA0463> i couldnt ubderstand how to install freebsd
[06:28] <jmerlin_> when we can show ati/nvidia/whoever else that with that lib running d3d through opengl that all dx code can now run natively on linux
[06:28] <jmerlin_> we might be able to inspire them to release full blown drivers for *nix.. including the d3d support
[06:28] <jmerlin_> then we could modify the lib to call into driver d3d implementations directly if available =)
[06:28] <wickedpuppy> KEA0463, its the best out there ... the rest are way way behind it :P
[06:29] <jmerlin_> make it just as, if not more, efficient than on windows
[06:29] <KEA0463> can u tell me how to download it and install it wicked puppy?
[06:29] <holycow> jmerlin, but why?
[06:29] <wickedpuppy> KEA0463, www.freebsd.org but i cant help ya here .. ask in #freebsd .. or pls read the documentation
[06:29] <jmerlin_> i just said why
[06:29] <holycow> jmerlin, why would you want patent encumbered, evil business model to be even ported here?
[06:30] <holycow> thats not why
[06:30] <holycow> thats just blindly stupid
[06:30] <jmerlin_> why?
[06:30] <jmerlin_> it may be done by microsoft, i'm not saying it's not shit
[06:30] <holycow> because there is no reason then to code natively for linux
[06:30] <KEA0463> ok thanks
[06:30] <holycow> then everyone will just code for windows and cross compile to run here
[06:30] <jmerlin_> not really
[06:30] <holycow> yes really
[06:30] <jmerlin_> if just dx can now run natively on linux, none of win32 shit api will work on linux
[06:31] <dan2> are there any bugs with /etc/lsb-base-log or whatever it's called
[06:31] <jmerlin_> so it's not going to be write on windows then compile on linux
[06:31] <KEA0463> wicked puppy i thought your favorite linux would be puppy-linux  haha
[06:31] <wickedpuppy> oh boy
[06:31] <holycow> jmerlin, for the stuff you guys want it will
[06:31] <jmerlin_> but most major companies are coding games via directx and they don't have the resources to port it to opengl/linux
[06:31] <dan2> is there a quick system recovery live cd that has xfs tools on it?
[06:31] <wickedpuppy> eh keleus pls .. no need to make me cry .. lol
[06:31] <jmerlin_> sure wine can run games.. and cedega.. but they suck ass at doing so
[06:31] <holycow> jmerlin, a smarter approach is to keep on increasing the linux market share and convince companies that there is money here
[06:32] <host`> ya'll ever heard of anyone else experiencing problems with 'ifconfig' freezing their machine up?
[06:32] <jmerlin_> the reason they code for windows is because of directx
[06:32] <keleus> jmerlin_, i say we all donate to a lawyer team to get directX GPLed. damn code-grubbing jerks
[06:32] <KEA0463> i cant get wine to work
[06:32] <holycow> jmerlin, porting directx here is just a shit idea
[06:32] <jmerlin_> because gfx card manufacturers are implementing d3d functionality in their cards
[06:32] <jmerlin_> opengl is less efficient now.
[06:32] <keleus> dx needs to die.
[06:32] <KEA0463> iam to stoopid i geuuss
[06:32] <holycow> jmerlin, if you want to do something usefully take our tools and pull them together to give us what dx gives them
[06:32] <holycow> you can even do it so its better
[06:32] <keleus> jmerlin_ but dont forget DX also has input and such... much more than graphics and sound (if you include openAL)
[06:32] <jmerlin_> i know
[06:33] <jmerlin_> d3d is the hardest one
[06:33] <holycow> jmerlin, well i assure you i won't help
[06:33] <jmerlin_> the input, sound, music, whatever else are much easier
[06:33] <holycow> and i can assure you i will work against your efforts
[06:33] <keleus> all we need is to get people to use openGL2 instead of DX.
[06:33] <KEA0463> what is freeBSD used for?
[06:33] <keleus> KEA0463, same thing any other OS is for.
[06:33] <KEA0463> o ok
[06:33] <rpc> keleus sorry but this is not going to happen mate
[06:33] <hana> hello what do you think about comparing ms qord and open office?
[06:33] <kitche> KEA0463 it's more like Unix instead of like linux
[06:33] <keleus> KEA0463, i like it myself, but i would not recommend it to the non-adventurous sort
[06:34] <jmerlin_> give to us what dx gives to them?
[06:34] <jmerlin_> we can't.
[06:34] <holycow> why not?
[06:34] <rpc> keleus it's like telling everyone to stop using windows, you still believe it would work?
[06:34] <KEA0463> is it harder than gentoo?
[06:34] <hana> ms word and and open office?
[06:34] <jmerlin_> you realize it's STANDARD for video card vendors to implement d3d in their cards on the hardware directly
[06:34] <holycow> you can create a whole company around it
[06:34] <Arafangion> hana: MS Qord?
[06:34] <keleus> KEA0463, no, its just different.
[06:34] <KEA0463> ok
[06:34] <RyEINic> word
[06:34] <jmerlin_> if you make your own new system
[06:34] <hana> ms word and open office
[06:34] <jmerlin_> call it..
[06:34] <keleus> KEA0463, its more departed from the windows world than linux
[06:34] <holycow> jmerlin, dx isn't a standard
[06:34] <hana> which is better
[06:34] <KEA0463> o wow
[06:34] <jmerlin_> ox.. open X.. a complete multimedia package
[06:34] <holycow> its a proprietary implemntation
[06:34] <Arafangion> jmerlin_: Do you realise it's STANDARD for video card venders to implement OpenGL in their cards on the hardware directly?
[06:34] <rpc> holycow ms windows isn't a standard either
[06:34] <KEA0463> i proolly have a hard time then
[06:34] <holycow> dx will never be accessible to us
[06:34] <holycow> ever
[06:35] <holycow> rpc, exactly
[06:35] <Arafangion> jmerlin_: Infact, some cards don't support DX at all - only opengl.
[06:35] <keleus> KEA0463, go to freebsd.org and poke around the docs (handbook especially)
[06:35] <jmerlin_> Arafangion, you realize that there has been no modification to opengl implementations for nearly a decade?
[06:35] <Arafangion> rpc: Windows is it's own standard.
[06:35] <rpc> so is dx
[06:35] <holycow> spending any time porting dx support here is to help evil expand their stranglehold
[06:35] <rpc> and many people follow that and they will
[06:35] <KEA0463> i cant even figure out gentoo
[06:35] <Arafangion> jmerlin_: Haha.
[06:35] <jmerlin_> you realize that with every update of d3d there are considerable updates on new hardware that support those features
[06:35] <holycow> congratulations on helping the empire conquer yet another platform
[06:35] <SuperMiguel> there is any way to install blitz on ubuntu?
[06:35] <jmerlin_> opengl doesn't have new features
[06:35] <jmerlin_> it's the same from when i first started coding
[06:35] <jmerlin_> to now
[06:35] <keleus> KAEthe nice thing about freebsd is the handbook is friggin awsome. i printed it out double-sided and needed a 4-inch binder...
[06:35] <jmerlin_> d3d has gone from d3d2 or whatever the hell was back then to d3d10 soon
[06:36] <jmerlin_> nothing is the same in it
[06:36] <Arafangion> jmerlin_: Obviously, you haven't started with the OpenGL Shader Language, and you haven't looked around too much with the extensions.
[06:36] <holycow> jmerlin, whatever they have is irrelevant
[06:36] <dubidobidoo> elo
[06:36] <holycow> its not open source
[06:36] <holycow> its not free
[06:36] <rpc> i'm absolutely on jmerlin's side
[06:36] <holycow> its not a standard
[06:36] <holycow> its not accessible
[06:36] <keleus> OpenGL 2.0
[06:36] <Arafangion> jmerlin_: OpenGL does what it does very well, and they don't need to change merely for the sake of change.
[06:36] <keleus> is new.
[06:36] <holycow> its patent encumbered
[06:36] <jmerlin_> Arafangion, name a company that writes code using extensions.
[06:36] <jmerlin_> please,
[06:36] <jmerlin_> i know epic doesn't
[06:36] <KEA0463> so freeBSD has more info then other distros
[06:36] <holycow> its controled by a company that has no morals whatsoever
[06:36] <holycow> and you seek to enable their empire access even further
[06:36] <KEA0463> as far as handbooks
[06:36] <Arafangion> jmerlin_: I'm sure many do.
[06:36] <jmerlin_> if you want to code an app to run on 1 card.
[06:36] <jmerlin_> sure
[06:36] <leon> sidd
[06:37] <B_166-ER-X> err:ntdll:MODULE_THREAD_WaitThreadModuleSafe this should never happen. (unless wine crashed)
[06:37] <dubidobidoo> oi
[06:37] <bronaugh> holycow: considering different distributions apply different patches to their software set, if one distribution crashes and another doesn't on the same hardware, I'm going to blame the distribution -- or specifically, the monkeys that allowed in the offending patches.
[06:37] <keleus> KEA0463, not really, its just all in one place.
[06:37] <leon> anu homework?
[06:37] <host`> where would I report a bug?
[06:37] <B_166-ER-X> i just understood why CVS cedega is free.
[06:37] <SuperMiguel> there is any way to install blitz on ubuntu?
[06:37] <Arafangion> jmerlin_: That'd be a pathetic extension indeed.
[06:37] <KEA0463> less questions and more info
[06:37] <holycow> bronaugh, in that case you would fit right in on #windows
[06:37] <minerale> Yay! North Korea now has detonated a nuke...
[06:37] <leon> hi
[06:37] <holycow> why bother even using windows?
[06:37] <KEA0463> for thte user
[06:37] <Arafangion> jmerlin_: Name a case where OpenGL even needs to change?
[06:37] <holycow> minerale, no they haven't, no seismic activity was detonated
[06:37] <holycow> their state new agency just said they did
[06:37] <keleus> KEA0463, its hard to say. try #freebsd
[06:37] <minerale> holycow: ugh
[06:37] <keleus> KEA0463, i havent done freebsd in a while
[06:37] <KEA0463> to scared
[06:37] <jmerlin_> the implementations of capabilities of d3d on the new cards are much more efficient than opengl methods of simulating those capabilities
[06:38] <jmerlin_> sure the cards support opengl
[06:38] <SuperMiguel> Arafangion: when the pci-e came out they had problems with OPENGL :P
[06:38] <KEA0463> i just got ubuntu working right
[06:38] <jmerlin_> but they also have support for d3d, and MUCH more support
[06:38] <holycow> jmerlin, that makes no  bloody difference
[06:38] <Arafangion> SuperMiguel: Eh?
[06:38] <KEA0463> 1 week later
[06:38] <holycow> jmerlin, not a bit
[06:38] <jmerlin_> you're using like.. 30% of what you paid for the card if you'r ejust using opengl implementations
[06:38] <Arafangion> jmerlin_: By any chance, do you actually do OpenGL programming?
[06:38] <holycow> jmerlin, create something that is free open and a true standard
[06:38] <minerale> holycow: here is the proof: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Quakes/ustqab.php
[06:38] <holycow> and sell support and tools for it
[06:38] <jmerlin_> yes, i do.
[06:38] <keleus> KEA0463, i have distro fever. i''ve been all over the place :)
[06:38] <SuperMiguel> there is any way to install blitz on ubuntu?
[06:38] <minerale> it was a 4.2 magnitude quake
[06:38] <holycow> don't enable evil to propagate
[06:38] <KEA0463> yeah me 2
[06:38] <minerale> holycow: happy ?
[06:38] <bronaugh> holycow: I'm fitting you into the "arrogant fool" category.
[06:38] <jmerlin_> holy, i would need a conference with ati and nvidia
[06:38] <holycow> minerale, checking
[06:38] <jmerlin_> come up with a standard
[06:38] <Arafangion> jmerlin_: Ok, then your arguments have /some/ merit now :)
[06:38] <jmerlin_> have their hardware conform to it
[06:38] <keleus> well i gota git goin
[06:38] <jmerlin_> then have ms conform to that with d3d
[06:39] <KEA0463> if i download the iso and i cant get an internet connection
[06:39] <holycow> bronaugh, i'm slotting you simply in th eidiot category
[06:39] <jmerlin_> you think that's going to happen?
[06:39] <keleus> KEA0463, iso of what?
[06:39] <KEA0463> i move on to next distro
[06:39] <Arafangion> jmerlin_: The Wine folks are emulating DX very nicely in GL.
[06:39] <jmerlin_> no they're not
[06:39] <jmerlin_> LOL
[06:39] <tritium> take it easy, guys
[06:39] <leon> i love ari!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:39] <Arafangion> jmerlin_: Not finished yet, but they're doing an impressive job as it is.
[06:39] <KEA0463> iso of a linux distro
[06:39] <keleus> KEA0463, what network card?
[06:39] <holycow> bronaugh, it really isn't my fault you don't want to use the 3 braincels you were gifted with
[06:39] <KEA0463> wireless laptop
[06:39] <jmerlin_> if by nicely you mean like building a car engine with wood
[06:39] <jmerlin_> sure.
[06:39] <host`> http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/dprk/nuke-test.htm
[06:39] <dubidobidoo> sexy
[06:39] <jmerlin_> dx isn't meant to be translated into opengl
[06:39] <dubidobidoo> sexy
[06:39] <tritium> holycow, bronaugh - relax
[06:39] <dubidobidoo> sexy
[06:39] <KEA0463> ath0
[06:40] <keleus> KEA0463, touchy. ubuntu is best as far as that goes. FreeBSD had mine too... but i had to compile the kernel to add it.
[06:40] <Arafangion> jmerlin_: Perhaps not, but that's besides the point.
[06:40] <jmerlin_> opengl entrypoints and dx entrypoints in the video drivers are completely different
[06:40] <jmerlin_> your card supports the features of d3d directly if at all
[06:40] <jmerlin_> not using them is STUPID
[06:40] <keleus> KEA0463, atheros!!! freebsd would work for you but it would take a decent amount of work and research
[06:40] <jmerlin_> even if they aren't standard.
[06:40] <Arafangion> jmerlin_: *HOW* can we use DX?
[06:40] <jmerlin_> you pay $500 for a very good card
[06:40] <holycow> jmerlin_, if its so great why do you even bother using linux?
[06:40] <keleus> KEA0463, and you are not going to have luck really anywhere but ubuntu.
[06:40] <jmerlin_> and yet you only use 20% of it
[06:40] <jmerlin_> wtf?
[06:40] <holycow> why don't you just go use windows
[06:40] <host`> ok, now question, where can I report a bug?
[06:40] <jmerlin_> because windows sucks
[06:40] <keleus> KEA0463, what you need is called "madwifi-ng" or just madwifi
[06:40] <holycow> you arent really interested in making linux better
[06:40] <jmerlin_> i didn't say windows was great
[06:40] <jmerlin_> i said the new capabilities of these gfx cards is great
[06:40] <tritium> jmerlin_: take it to #ubuntu-offtopic, please
[06:41] <KEA0463> how do i get that
[06:41] <kitche> host` launchpad.net
[06:41] <jmerlin_> you seem to be thinking that i think d3d or windows is good or has merit
[06:41] <jmerlin_> NO
[06:41] <KEA0463> madwifi
[06:41] <keleus> KEA0463, it comes with ubuntu
[06:41] <KEA0463> oh
[06:41] <Arafangion> jmerlin_: Personally, I feel that DX is a damn pain.
[06:41] <jmerlin_> the new features of these cards is just sitting there unused and idle in opengl
[06:41] <jmerlin_> i do as well
[06:41] <jmerlin_> i hate the shit
[06:41] <keleus> KEA0463, i woudlnt go very far. Ubuntu is very good.
[06:41] <holycow> jmerlin_, no i'm offended that you would even consider help a company like ms expand its stranglehold
[06:41] <tritium> jmerlin_: and watch the language
[06:41] <Arafangion> jmerlin_: THey do some _crazy_ stuff.
[06:41] <KEA0463> yeah ubuntu us kool
[06:41] <jmerlin_> helping ms?
[06:41] <KEA0463> is
[06:41] <keleus> jmerlin_, openGL2.0 has almost ALL of that crap.
[06:41] <jmerlin_> an open-source impelemntation of dx
[06:41] <KEA0463> kool
[06:42] <keleus> jmerlin_, nobody codes for it
[06:42] <jmerlin_> calling into drivers
[06:42] <jmerlin_> that's actually a deathblow to dx.
[06:42] <holycow> jmerlin_, the moment dx is supported on linux is when the vid card companies can go 'to hell with ogl'
[06:42] <keleus> holycow, i say screw em both and start glide again :D
[06:42] <KEA0463> ubuntu is #1 on most downloaded list
[06:42] <jmerlin_> not really
[06:42] <jmerlin_> there's too much software dependant to pull the plug on ogl
[06:42] <KEA0463> thats why i downloaded it
[06:42] <holycow> keleus, i think there is money to be made in doing what dx does but on a cross platform and open way
[06:42] <Arafangion> jmerlin_: Yet MS pulled the plug on DX9
[06:43] <shea> who would want to pull the plug on ogl
[06:43] <keleus> KEA0463, personally i have kubuntu (ubuntu with kde instead of gnome by default)
[06:43] <shea> that's crazytalk
[06:43] <jmerlin_> that's MS
[06:43] <jmerlin_> it's proprietary
[06:43] <Arafangion> jmerlin_: As is DX.
[06:43] <keleus> KEA0463, also used xubuntu (same thing but with XFCE)
[06:43] <jmerlin_> everything from MS is proprietary
[06:43] <jmerlin_> at some level
[06:43] <KEA0463> i downlaed KDE packages 2
[06:43] <keleus> i say MS needs to be ripped open with a crowbar and ALL of their assets be made public domain
[06:43] <jmerlin_> even the "source code" they release is shrouded with calls into proprietary shit
[06:43] <minerale> holycow: South Korean intelligence officials said a seismic wave of magnitude-3.58 had been detected in North Hamkyung province, according to Yonhap. It said the test was conducted at 10:36 a.m. (9:36 p.m. EDT Sunday) in Hwaderi near Kilju city on the northeast coast, citing defense officials.
[06:43] <tritium> jmerlin_: I told you to watch the language!
[06:43] <keleus> not just open source... _public domain) heh
[06:44] <holycow> keleus, i don't, i just think ms needs to get out of the os business
[06:44] <foo> Can I chroot an ssh user so they can only ssh out to another system?
[06:44] <_yell8w>  :P
[06:44] <holycow> keleus, that basically kills their single ability to lock out competitors and control the ecosystem
[06:44] <Arafangion> jmerlin_: Even my GL book talks about the war between DX and GL, practically saying that MS used FUD to propel DX into the limelight, even though it was /awful/ (at the time)
[06:44] <KEA0463> Vista   yeah!!!!!!!!
[06:44] <Arafangion> jmerlin_: imho, it's still /awful/.
[06:44] <minerale> foo: look into rssh
[06:44] <foo> minerale: hmm, ok. Thanks
[06:45] <B_166-ER-X> lol
[06:45] <B_166-ER-X> l'art de planter en partant un debugger
[06:45] <B_166-ER-X> wine: Unhandled exception, starting debugger.
[06:45] <Arafangion> jmerlin_: The way DX deals with textures and pointers makes things rather nasty.
[06:45] <B_166-ER-X> oups
[06:45] <B_166-ER-X> sorry
[06:45] <Arafangion> jmerlin_: From a code point of view.
[06:45] <KEA0463> my hp says its vista ready
[06:45] <Arafangion> B_166-ER-X: #winehq
[06:45] <KEA0463> yipppie
[06:45] <foo> minerale: hmm, I want them to have a shell, but I only want them to be able to use the ssh command to ssh out. This looks a tad different, no?
[06:46] <Arafangion> B_166-ER-X: And speak there in English, as that's the langauge those devs use.
[06:46] <Arafangion> B_166-ER-X: Though, if you don't feel confident in English, let them know that it's not your native language.
[06:46] <holycow> minerale, i guess it is true then
[06:46] <minerale> foo: actually rssh only allows scp/cvs etc.. use this: http://www.ffnn.nl/pages/articles/linux/setting-up-a-chroot-jail-for-cvs.php
[06:46] <SuperMiguel> there is any way to install blitz on ubuntu?
[06:46] <B_166-ER-X> Arafangion i know, it was a 'wrong window' mistake :)
[06:46] <B_166-ER-X> sorry
[06:46] <Arafangion> B_166-ER-X: Ha :)
[06:47] <holycow> jmerlin_, of what benefit do you hope this project to be then?
[06:47] <keleus> KEA0463, i wouldn't bother. its like 802.11n - everyone says they can do it but we just _don't_know_
[06:47] <minerale> foo: it's setup for cvs, but you just follow the same idea to only allow them ssh... but even better you could just setup port forwarding...
[06:47] <holycow> let me try to understand your resoning
[06:47] <tritium> jmerlin_: please watch your language from here on out
[06:47] <Arafangion> jmerlin_: Anyway, we'll give this rant a miss :)
[06:47] <Arafangion> jmerlin_: 'tis was entertaining.
[06:47] <SuperMiguel> there is any way to install blitz on ubuntu?
[06:47] <KEA0463> dont bother with what keleus
[06:47] <foo> minerale: hm, ideally.. this is my goal.. to allow someone to ssh into me, and then ssh into another system.. and I can set up ssh keys on his account so he doesn't need a password for the second system he is going to ssh out to
[06:47] <Arafangion> Looks like jmerlin_'s banned now.
[06:47] <keleus> KEA0463, vista ready
[06:47] <KEA0463> oh
[06:47] <keleus> Arafangion, your a few lines behind...
[06:48] <Arafangion> keleus: Evidently.
[06:48] <jmerlin_> yeah well
[06:48] <foo> minerale: Is that link still the thing to do?
[06:48] <Arafangion> jmerlin_: /query me.
[06:48] <KEA0463> i am in college taking computer classes
[06:48] <holycow> jmerlin_, so i'm gonna try to understand why you think this is a good idea
[06:48] <keleus> KEA0463, its like how you can technically run XP on 64m of ram...
[06:48] <olof> omg help =))
[06:48] <jmerlin_> i agree dx is horrible
[06:48] <jmerlin_> i hate it
[06:48] <keleus> KEA0463, but its most certainly not going to be a fun experience
[06:48] <jmerlin_> but you realize that it would take 5+ years
[06:48] <holycow> jmerlin_, how again do you hope that this will be beneficial?
[06:48] <jmerlin_> to make a new standard
[06:48] <keleus> jmerlin_, suggesting we drop the subject?
[06:48] <KEA0463> i am going for networking degree
[06:49] <jmerlin_> a new open-source standard
[06:49] <holycow> jmerlin_, expalin pls
[06:49] <minerale> foo: yeah, the link with chroot jails for cvs
[06:49] <jmerlin_> because there is literally billions of dollars of hardware
[06:49] <keleus> KEA0463, same. hoping for security myself. got my a+ and net+ in the mean-time
[06:49] <foo> minerale: ok, thanks. I'll do that
[06:49] <jmerlin_> that supports this proprietary d3d
[06:49] <holycow> jmerlin_, thats  not an explanation
[06:49] <jmerlin_> no, i'ts not
[06:49] <KEA0463> yeah hop i get a job
[06:49] <keleus> holycow, jmerlin_, that discussion almost got one of you banned....
[06:49] <jmerlin_> but it makes creating a new standard infeasible
[06:49] <Arafangion> jmerlin_, holycow; let's carry this out in ##gfxstd
[06:50] <olof> when i booted up my desktop ubuntu now, i got just a terminal after i typed in my login name and passw at login screen. then in that terminal i typed firefox to gain accec to chatzilla and now im here... anyways, i think it is because i tried to start another X yesterday... i dont know what to do now, please help me bring back my normal desktop someone =))
[06:50] <darkaura> well I think my mp3 player is toast
[06:50] <keleus> olof, terminal like black-and-white or terminals witha  mouse?
[06:50] <olof> i have a mouse
[06:50] <keleus> darkaura, you format it as fat16?
[06:50] <KEA0463> security guys use unix
[06:51] <keleus> olof, your using twm instead of gdm
[06:51] <KEA0463> like freeBSD
[06:51] <KEA0463> i heard
[06:51] <keleus> darkaura, also vfat should work
[06:51] <_yell8w>  olof:  tried startx ?
[06:51] <keleus> KEA0463, we use it all.
[06:51] <olof> keleus: say what? =)
[06:51] <KEA0463> oh
[06:51] <olof> ill try startx
[06:51] <keleus> _yell8w, hes got TWM running
[06:51] <KEA0463> etherape
[06:51] <olof> uhm, i cant alt tab to the console anymore :P
[06:51] <_yell8w>  oh, nvermind then
[06:51] <keleus> olof, use ctrl-alt
[06:52] <keleus> olof, but your already in X
[06:52] <olof> and then?
[06:52] <keleus> but your using TWM (tiny window manager)
[06:52] <zeck> alguem fala portugues?
[06:52] <keleus> your xsession got goofed.
[06:52] <tritium> tabbed window manager
[06:52] <keleus> i forget where but it needs to be set to gdm (for gnome) or kdm (for kde)
[06:52] <olof> keleus: yeah i guess so, since i never rebooted yesterday when i was playing arou nd and tried to start another x
[06:52] <olof> i have ubuntu, so i guess its gnome
[06:53] <darkaura> okay I cfdisk my mp3 player set it to primary fat13 max amount of space
[06:53] <keleus> arg! stop asking questionS! (just kidding) i need to get to bed
[06:53] <keleus> olof, yes
[06:53] <keleus> fat16
[06:53] <keleus> or vfat (preferred)
[06:54] <olof> how do i get to normal desktop then? :SS
[06:54] <SpaceFrog> i downloaded a file with a .sit extension.. How do i install it, or rather what do i do with it?
[06:54] <darkaura> cfdisk deosn't give a vfat option
[06:54] <holycow> SpaceFrog, nothing, thats an osx file if i remember correctly
[06:54] <darkaura> I write the partition
[06:54] <olof> i already tried startx
[06:54] <yell8w>  olof:  config your xorg init file or something
[06:54] <keleus> olof, startx isnt going to help
[06:54] <KEA0463> the game nexuiz is fun with ubuntu
[06:54] <yell8w>  i'm not sure of the details
[06:54] <SpaceFrog> holycow: oh, i thought i chose the linux version
[06:54] <SpaceFrog> thanks
[06:54] <keleus> olof, x is running (or your mouse wouldn't be there, or would this chat window)
[06:55] <keleus> yell8w, his window manager setting got goofed, X is running.
[06:55] <PseudoPlacebo> Hi I'm installing dapper. The screen resolution is 800x600 I want it to be at least 1024x768. Also- I'm using dual-screen how hard is it to eventually set up dual screen on Ubuntu?
[06:55] <yell8w>  keleus:  that's why i said config his init file and restart it or something
[06:55] <olof> i have no idea how to even edit it =(
[06:55] <darkaura> quit it and when I try to mount /mnt/sdc /media/mp3 -t vfat it givs this error
[06:56] <darkaura> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc,
[06:56] <darkaura>        missing codepage or other error
[06:56] <darkaura>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[06:56] <darkaura>        dmesg | tail  or so
[06:56] <keleus> olof, press CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE and type "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start" - see if that helps. if not, startx
[06:56] <keleus> darkaura, your formatting it wrong or mounting the wrong drive
[06:57] <PacketScan> darkaura, you have to mount from /dev/sdc(partition number)  or use --bind to mount one folder somether else.  using the latter you drop the file type option.
[06:57] <olof> ok thanks for tips will try now keleus
[06:57] <keleus> I.. have to go to bed. im loosing my balance (sick or something)
[06:57] <keleus> g'night for the 50x time now :)
[06:58] <yell8w>  9 keleus
[06:58] <darkaura> then I goto system administrator then disk  click on the usb mp3 player it shows the partition, but for filesystem it shows unformated
[06:58] <darkaura> I try to format and it stays unformated
[06:59] <PseudoPlacebo> Hi I'm installing dapper. The screen resolution is 800x600 I want it to be at least 1024x768. Also- I'm using dual-screen how hard is it to eventually set up dual screen on Ubuntu?
[07:00] <olof> hey
[07:00] <olof> i "kinda" got it to work
[07:00] <olof> i changed session to gnome at login
[07:00] <yell8w>  :)
[07:00] <olof> atleast i have the menus and stuff now, but i guess if i change back to the other session it wont work
[07:01] <olof> did that keleos dude go away?
[07:01] <yell8w>  olof:  yes he did
[07:01] <olof> doh =(
[07:01] <Madpilot> ubotu, tell PseudoPlacebo about fixres
[07:02] <olof> think u r able to help instead?
[07:02] <yell8w>  olof:  i'm not sure but i'll try
[07:03] <yell8w>  ?
[07:04] <olof> yeah, u know what happend, didnt u?= P
[07:04] <dfgas> anyone use vmware player
[07:04] <holycow> i do
[07:04] <olof> when im logging in with standard session i get stuck at a terminal (but i have a mouse i can use)
[07:04] <railz> what pkg do i need for mp3 playback in xmss/bmp?
[07:05] <holycow> !mp3
[07:05] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:05] <railz> i'd search the forums, but man the new search is bad, is there anyway to access the old one?
[07:05] <dfgas> holycow, do you run xp in player at all?
[07:05] <holycow> railz google is best
[07:05] <holycow> railz, in google serach you can do 'search this stuff site:website.com'
[07:06] <holycow> dfgas, i run it in workstation and server not player but it shouldn't make and diff
[07:06] <railz> i know about restricted formats but does the w32codec pack provide mp3 playback as well? i thought that pkg was primarily video
[07:06] <holycow> railz, no all of it
[07:06] <railz> k
[07:06] <dfgas> holycow, it deosn't dectect my sound card, just gives me a -1 in my vmx file
[07:07] <harrism> Hello everyone, I understand there are not many games for 64 bit users but does anyone know of a first person shooter I can play? I already have enemy territory but was looking for something single player?
[07:07] <holycow> dfgas, *hmm* i won't be able to help with that as vmware player doesn't seem to have vmware-configure.pl ... maybe one of their binary drivers is borking
[07:08] <dfgas> i tried to install server but it says there is vmware stuff installed already
[07:08] <yell8w>  olof: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:08] <railz> ok i just installed w32codec but bmp/xmms still refuse to play mp3s
[07:08] <davin> Hi, is it true that I can reconfigure/rechoose the usplash by doing 'sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so' ? Just want to make sure before I invoke it
[07:08] <railz> i'm pretty sure there is an additional pkg for mp3 playback in non gstreamer apps
[07:08] <davin> raliz: try easyubuntu
[07:09] <railz> i know of easyubuntu, and it's great that exists but instead of me running all that stuff it installs do you know the pkg needed for mp3s?
[07:09] <yell8w>  olof:  http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/nox
[07:09] <tritium> !mp3 > railz
[07:09] <harrism> anyone? :/ how about rpg games?
[07:10] <davin> railz: nope I just opened easyubuntu and only ticked mp3 support, you can write down the codecs it installs though
[07:10] <tritium> harrism: you should consider installing the 32-bit version for games.  You'll have fewer headaches.
[07:11] <zachhale> anyone know a good commandline based torrent client for linux?
[07:11] <harrism> I know, I was thinking of doing that but had wishful thinking I guess
[07:11] <holycow> bittornado has that kind of interface i think
[07:11] <dfgas> holycow, any idea on that?
[07:12] <holycow> dfgas, yeah delete your /etc/vmware folder
[07:12] <dfgas> k
[07:12] <holycow> when vmwre server installs it checks for a file in there if its already installed
[07:12] <holycow> when you remove it that doesn't get purged
[07:12] <holycow> *welcome to proprietary software*
[07:12] <davin> gonna try it out now
[07:14] <dfgas> holycow, kickarse, thanks its installing now
[07:14] <PseudoPlacebo> Madpilot: I tried everything in that FAQ, edited xorg.conf with new HorizSync and VertRefresh values.
[07:15] <PseudoPlacebo> Added 1024x768 to the list.
[07:15] <PseudoPlacebo> Restarted X.
[07:15] <PseudoPlacebo> Still no go.
[07:15] <Madpilot> PseudoPlacebo, not sure what to suggest then - sorry
[07:15] <holycow> no prob
[07:15] <PseudoPlacebo> =\
[07:16] <yell8w>  PseudoPlacebo: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  ?
[07:18] <wahjava> hi
[07:18] <railz> befoer i leave, is there anyway to access the old search?
[07:18] <railz> the new forum search is horrible
[07:18] <holycow> railz, just use google search wtih site:sitename.com
[07:18] <v1per> if i want to do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, should i change my sources.lst first?
[07:18] <wahjava> I'm running Ubuntu Dapper, with all my users are available from LDAP directory installed on the server and home directories NFS mounted from server
[07:19] <tritium> v1per: no
[07:19] <v1per> tritium, i don't think it worked last time
[07:19] <tritium> v1per: it doesn't use your sources.list file for any reason
[07:19] <wahjava> when any user logs in to the system, he'll get 'System->Administration' menu partially
[07:19] <bronaugh> *grumble*
[07:19] <v1per> ah, nvm, that's the one w/ many prompts
[07:19] <bronaugh> oh well, using onboard Via video.
[07:19] <bronaugh> on which glx is borked on ubuntu. whee!
[07:19] <v1per> i've tried almost everything... i still can't startx anymore (after the update)
[07:20] <wahjava> while when any user in /etc/passwd logs in, he'll get complete 'System->Administration' menu
[07:20] <bronaugh> but at least it doesn't crash when you touch it.
[07:20] <yell8w>  v1per:  error message ?
[07:20] <v1per> yell8w, no screens
[07:20] <wahjava> how do I make complete "Administration" menu available to all users ??
[07:21] <Jesse1984> i have been having crazy toruble trying to install ubuntu 6.06, but i have sorted it out!! i used the ultimate boot cd! its the best, i used the maxtor drive utility to 0 out the drive totally then restored a new MBR !! and im installing without a hitch! WOOT!
[07:21] <yell8w>  v1per: what happens when you tried startx ?
[07:21] <PseudoPlacebo> yell8w: Just tried the dpkg-reconfigure still didn't work. =\
[07:21] <v1per> yell8w, well i'm in windows now, but it would say that gdm wouldnt start, no screens error..
[07:22] <yell8w>  :|
[07:22] <v1per> yell8w, i'm in windows backing up lots of stuff =/
[07:22] <PseudoPlacebo> This is super fucking frustrating.
[07:22] <dfgas> holycow, its asking for a sieral number? i tought i didn't need one, its free
[07:22] <v1per> i bet PseudoPlacebo has the same prob as me
[07:22] <PseudoPlacebo> The only option is resolution 640x480
[07:23] <holycow> dfgas, vmware server is free ... i do think you still need to get some sort of serial from them, i forget now been a while
[07:23] <holycow> register and see
[07:24] <Roman_Logix> HI... kinda a newbie to linux and ubuntu... does anyone know how to get better driver support for the ATI Radeon 7500 AGP (not mobile)... ATI doesnt support this card, they support the everything newer than this one:(
[07:24] <yell8w>  v1per:  PseudoPlacebo : this is where I got it http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/nox
[07:25] <yell8w>  and http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-83973.html
[07:25] <yell8w>  i personally have not had problems with xorg so...
[07:25] <bronaugh> Roman_Logix: I have a Radeon 7000.
[07:25] <bronaugh> Roman_Logix: same crap... generation 1 Radeon hw.
[07:25] <PseudoPlacebo> yell8w: I've never had X problems before dapper.
[07:25] <bronaugh> Roman_Logix: here, I experience the joy of crashes within seconds.
[07:26] <bronaugh> Roman_Logix: are you also experiencing this joy?
[07:26] <v1per> yell8w, nod, i did not have ubuntu-desktop
[07:26] <v1per> i did not have ubuntu-desktop when i made the update to edgy
[07:26] <v1per> although it was highly recommended that i did, lol
[07:26] <tritium> v1per: you should have had it
[07:26] <Roman_Logix> the driver for the radeon 7500 agp wont support open gl, and I get weird lines through buttons in x... i think a new driver would help
[07:26] <yell8w>  lol
[07:26] <v1per> it's annoying as hell...screw it
[07:26] <tritium> v1per: also, #ubuntu+1 for edgy questions
[07:27] <bronaugh> Roman_Logix: it does support GL.
[07:27] <v1per> ubuntu-desktop contains ....idk... gnome*
[07:27] <Ayabara> is it possible to expand my root partition when I'm running ubuntu? it comes up as locked in gparted. I run an ubuntu vmware image, so I have to resize the partition when I'm logged in
[07:27] <bronaugh> Roman_Logix: so long as you have the "radeon" kernel module loaded to support DRI...
[07:27] <v1per> but i guess i'm paying for my mistake now
[07:27] <holycow> Ayabara, no, use the live cd and make sure to backup before attempting
[07:27] <bronaugh> Roman_Logix: and have dri and glx as Load lines in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:28] <holycow> that is use any live cd that has gparted, parted, qtparted tools
[07:28] <v1per> if only update-manager was written in gtk...
[07:28] <yell8w>  PseudoPlacebo:   i'm not sure but in my system i can go straight system >> prefs  >>> resolution and all is there
[07:28] <Roman_Logix> how do I get it to use the radeon kernal? or what should I add to the xorg.conf to make it work?
[07:28] <PseudoPlacebo> yell8w: I'm used to that.
[07:28] <PseudoPlacebo> But now it's not working the same way.
[07:28] <Ayabara> holycow, but can I use the livecd in vmware player?
[07:28] <holycow> v1per, whats wrong with the update manager now? it just paython with pygtk, how is it an issue?
[07:28] <PseudoPlacebo> I'm kind of angry with dapper tbh.
[07:28] <yell8w>  :| well then i don't know what else to tell you ?
[07:29] <holycow> Ayabara, you want to resize the partition of a guest os in vmware?
[07:29] <holycow> *cough*
[07:29] <v1per> holycow, are you referring to the package update-manager (verbatim)
[07:29] <Roman_Logix> Im sorry guys.. Ive been working with wintel stiff for sooooooooooooo long, its tough for me to addapt... the only reason im using this card is because it supports dual monitors and I got it for $20 from a friend
[07:29] <holycow> Ayabara, that is something you haveto do from vmware but i've never tried it
[07:29] <bronaugh> Roman_Logix: it's a nice card.
[07:29] <holycow> v1per, yes
[07:29] <bronaugh> Roman_Logix: you can try a few options... swcursor may help.
[07:30] <v1per> holycow, someone told me it was gnome-based
[07:30] <holycow> Roman_Logix, in linux land no one uses ati
[07:30] <Ayabara> holycow, ok, I'll give it a try. thanks
[07:30] <holycow> its a horrible company with a horrible history
[07:30] <v1per> holycow, to run it, i would have to install ubuntu-desktop (aka 200+ mb of crap)
[07:30] <holycow> Roman_Logix, even on windows no one uses it for anything serious
[07:31] <Roman_Logix> what does swcursor do?
[07:31] <yell8w>  holycow:  i'm running an ati rage 128 pro
[07:31] <holycow> those of us that have had to use ati stuff for say high end 3d animation dropped ati years and years ago
[07:31] <yell8w>  :P
[07:31] <tritium> v1per: ubuntu-desktop is simply a meta-package.    Can anyone make a suggest to a program that can do this?
[07:31] <bronaugh> Roman_Logix: uses software to draw the cursor on screen instead of using dedicated hardware. it -can- fix some video problems.
[07:31] <holycow> v1per, okay  but what are you trying to do?
[07:31] <v1per> note: this is all in the past....
[07:31] <holycow> v1per, you have server installed i guess? no desktop environment? if so then you can just upgrade with apt
[07:32] <v1per> what i _did_ was filter my system out of a bunch of gnome applications
[07:32] <O2> I wonder, if i wanna do C++ programming in ubuntu, what should I do?
[07:32] <ghostshadow189> oh , s1 help me pls . when my ubuntu boot it use taskbar of icewm . so i must change window manager to metalicy every time it boot ?
[07:32] <bronaugh> O2: install gcc and some IDE?
[07:32] <holycow> amd now owns ati, so who knows, maybe things will get better
[07:32] <tritium> O2: start by installing build-essential
[07:32] <bronaugh> (gcc in the "GNU Compiler Collection" sense)
[07:32] <Roman_Logix> I know ati is crappy for linux, but Im tring to convert to linux... I deal with win2k3 server and winxp all day at work and am sick of it so Im tring to convert all my machines at home to linux... I still run win2k3 for all my server stuff at home, even my emac is running ubuntu now... I just cant fix this one problem....
[07:32] <v1per> holycow, and recently when i updated to edgy using apt (update-manager complained that i had no ubuntu-desktop), i ran into X errors
[07:33] <O2> bronaugh, does ubuntu has gcc in its iso?
[07:33] <bronaugh> holycow: kind of hoping for it; but I have no idea whether it'll really happen.
[07:33] <PseudoPlacebo> Motherfucker.
[07:33] <bronaugh> O2: I think so, yes. but I don't know.
[07:33] <Roman_Logix> how do I ensure that I have the newest kernal for the 7500... just use the system update thing?
[07:33] <holycow> Roman_Logix, yeah you don't have much choice but to either use vesa drivers or the ati open source drivers available via dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg :/
[07:33] <tritium> PseudoPlacebo: watch your language
[07:33] <bronaugh> O2: yes.
[07:34] <O2> what ide is better?
[07:34] <tritium> !b-e > O2
[07:34] <Roman_Logix> thanks holycow... I have a old matrox g450 pci card I guess I will throw in there instead
[07:34] <bronaugh> O2: don't ask me. I use emacs, but that's because I'm on crack.
[07:34] <holycow> Roman_Logix, welcome to linux anyway, we are happy to answer whatever questions you have, there is not a lot we can do about p roprietary softwarwe/hardware tho
[07:34] <v1per> yes, one has to be on crack to use emacs
[07:34] <holycow> Roman_Logix, should work better
[07:34] <bronaugh> O2: try a bunch; see what suits you.
[07:35] <holycow> Roman_Logix, if you are trying to setup dual monis, when you are ready gimme a shout i'll toss you my config file
[07:35] <RRubin> Roman_Logix: its a sad state, it almost seems sometimes as if the hardware people are attempting to make it difficult for peeps like you :/
[07:35] <Roman_Logix> I'm buying a condo and getting married so I am kind of limited to using my lunch money for my hardware now since the soon to be wifey is in charge ;)
[07:35] <yell8w>  O2:  kate / scintilla
[07:35] <yell8w>  lol Roman_Logix
[07:35] <holycow> Roman_Logix, :) hehe
[07:35] <O2> :(
[07:35] <RRubin> Roman_Logix: best you can really do is work around stuff and look into compatability b4 buying anything new
[07:36] <ArrenLex> Roman_Logix: What are you trying to get working?
[07:36] <holycow> what RRubin i know it sucks when you only have limited fund
[07:36] <RRubin> we have some new systems with ATI at work that X wont run on
[07:36] <holycow> but what we all do is research first and then buy hardware ... its actually a healthy thing to do anyway
[07:36] <RRubin> is there really an ideal video card to buy if you do research?
[07:37] <holycow> RRubin, depends on what the research is
[07:37] <RRubin> nvidia is just as bad almost..
[07:37] <O2> what's the best IDE for C++ in ubuntu ?
[07:37] <RRubin> and it seems like those 2 are it most of the time
[07:37] <holycow> there is a company making an open source vid card based on a reprogrammable gpu
[07:37] <Roman_Logix> I have the dual monitors working fine.. the config files are not that hard after fiddling with my emac for 2 months getting the video working, what kind of 4xagp card that does dual analog svga that has modern support for linux?
[07:37] <holycow> its going to be a bit expensive in first generatio nbut you will be able to reprogram the gpu it self
[07:37] <ArrenLex> Rrubin: Nvidia may be proprietary, but it is infinitely better than ATI with respect to Linux.
[07:37] <holycow> so for certain kinds of research it will be an amazing product
[07:38] <holycow> Roman_Logix, pretty much any nvidia card
[07:38] <ArrenLex> Roman: what card are you trying to get working?
[07:38] <bronaugh> ATI is schizophrenic.
[07:38] <RRubin> ArrenLex: yes. but still unacceptable in many ways (have nvidia in my laptop, and it makes linux mostly unusable :/)
[07:38] <bronaugh> nVidia actually does know what they want, even if I don't agree with it.
[07:38] <ArrenLex> RRubin: unstable in what way? Using what driver?
[07:38] <holycow> RRubin, how so?
[07:38] <holycow> nvidia really has done a great job supporting us even if they are proprietary drivers
[07:39] <RRubin> ArrenLex, holycow: problems with backlight not powering on after closing the lid, refusing to swsuspend, etc
[07:39] <v1per> holycow, if i was going to make changes to my current setup (such as sudo aptitude update), should i change my sources from edgy back to dapper or something?
[07:39] <bronaugh> oh, and look at that. Via locked up.
[07:39] <Roman_Logix> any recommendations on nvidea cards that do 4x agp with dual analog heads? or anyone thats actually using it?
[07:39] <bronaugh> 2 video drivers down...
[07:39] <holycow> v1per, eh no, once you go edgy you never go back without a reinstall
[07:39] <ArrenLex> RRubin: with what driver?
[07:40] <bronaugh> Roman_Logix: it doesn't matter if it has DVI.
[07:40] <holycow> RRubin, that has nothing to do with video drivers
[07:40] <v1per> holycow,  i think i managed to get halfway there lol
[07:40] <harisund> Hello! I have to compile a new kernel, but I don't have a fast enough machine ... Can I do the compilation on a faster machine and build it on the slower machine?
[07:40] <RRubin> ArrenLex, holycow: basically the windows drivers check every 10 seconds that things are initted properly and reboot the video card if not. and the linux folk refuse to do that (nv driver) while the nvidia driver is broken with regard to swsuspend
[07:40] <bronaugh> Roman_Logix: because DVI-I (which almost every card has) includes all the analog pins in addition to digital ones.
[07:40] <holycow> thats normal, most of that stuff is flaky as hardware companies don't really like working iwth us
[07:40] <ArrenLex> harisund: do you have access to a faster machine running Linux? If so, look into distcc
[07:40] <ArrenLex> !distcc
[07:40] <ubotu> distcc: Simple distributed compiler client and server. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.18.3-3 (dapper), package size 138 kB, installed size 360 kB
[07:40] <v1per> ok, i'll attempt a few things
[07:40] <harisund> ArrenLex: ah .. ok will have a look .. thanks .
[07:41] <Roman_Logix> so most cards are dual head now that have both connectors?
[07:41] <RRubin> holycow: yes it does. the kernel module rejects the request to suspend.
[07:41] <RRubin> there was a patch but it crashed on my system so i gave up
[07:41] <holycow> RRubin, ah, then i'm mistaken
[07:41] <Roman_Logix> and one more stupid questions guys... anyone know what usb wifi nic works in a PPC ubuntu install?
[07:41] <holycow> allrighty
[07:41] <bronaugh> Roman_Logix: quite a few will. just make sure there's a native driver.
[07:41] <RRubin> i need to try it again actually, i heard a rumor they fixed it
[07:42] <dfgas> holycow, are then any modules to load to get sound
[07:42] <RRubin> holycow: how expensive do you think that card you were talking about will be? more than a new nvidia or such?
[07:42] <Roman_Logix> i tried getting my lucent silver usb working with it, it detected something there, but not as a nic:(
[07:42] <dfgas> holycow, i hear something about oss
[07:43] <CorpseFeeder> I just installed kino DV video editer from the package manager, but I can't find it on my computer. It's not in the applications menu anywhere and I don't know where to look for it. What is the easiest way to find where programs are installed to?
[07:43] <holycow> dfgas, your the vmware dude?
[07:43] <dfgas> yah
[07:43] <holycow> search vmware forums about that, hard to really support a closed source app
[07:43] <holycow> not sure why your xp doesn't have sound
[07:44] <dfgas> vmware server does it too
[07:44] <ArrenLex> CorpseFeeder, after you install a package, use dpkg -L <packagename> to list the files in it.
[07:45] <myesterious> hi
[07:45] <ArrenLex> !hi
[07:45] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu!
[07:45] <Brydenn33> my libfontconfig1 is BROKEN (installed). and so is my libfontconfig1-dev
[07:45] <Brydenn33> how do i fix it?
[07:46] <azureal> ok wow...i think it fixed itself
[07:46] <myesterious> Why the Ubuntu often crash after installed several apps via "edgy" repository on Dapper ?
[07:46] <Flannel> myesterious: because you're not supposed to do that
[07:46] <azureal> <aka v1per>
[07:46] <holycow> myesterious, #ubuntu+1
[07:46] <holycow> !edgy
[07:46] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[07:47] <ArrenLex> Brydenn33: Uh, try reinstalling the packages?
[07:47] <Brydenn33> ya i did
[07:47] <Brydenn33> says it cant
[07:47] <azureal> oh no! my pageplaylist addon is not compatible w/ bon echo =/
[07:47] <CorpseFeeder> fanx. I got it.
[07:47] <salim> hello guys..
[07:47] <myesterious> hey, But Ubuntu has managed the dependencies ?
[07:47] <Roman_Logix> ok guys... thanks soooo much for all your assistance... I'm going to start going here more... hopefully in the future I'll answer more than I ask... I do have to say that atleast this channel isnt as bad as the ones I used to join back in the 90's, when IRC was the trailor park of the internet ;) Have a great night guys and thanks once again! Good night! -Roman_Logix
[07:47] <azureal> kidding
[07:47] <yell8w>  night all
[07:48] <Brydenn33> ArrenLex: says there was an error commiting changes.
[07:48] <azureal> night yell8w
[07:48] <Brydenn33> ArrenLex: any other ideas?
[07:48] <holycow> Roman_Logix, the rules in this channel help us not get too much into the 'grumpy tech support dude' mode
[07:48] <holycow> although its hard to avoid that after a while :)
[07:49] <O2> I really want to know what is Emacs !
[07:49] <O2> who can tell me?
[07:49] <dfgas> holycow, do you use alsa?
[07:49] <holycow> !emacs
[07:49] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), vi/vim (terminal-based), terminal based: vi/vim, emacs, nano (user-friendly). HTML/CSS editors: !html; Programming: !code
[07:49] <RRubin> O2: its a text editor
[07:49] <holycow> dfgas, its default on edgy, therefore yes
[07:49] <O2> oh, thanks, RRubin !!
[07:49] <ghostshadow189> hi all .i dont know why but so hard to understand . when my ubuntu boot , ituse icewm window manager (even my default session is gnome) , so i mustchange window manager to metacity everytime ubuntu boot . and it alsothe reason that it make the sound mute . i also try to uninstall icewm from snaptic but after that it makemetacity lose the border (i go to theme -> detail and just seecontrols and icons)
[07:49] <dfgas> hmmm, not understanding here then
[07:49] <RRubin> O2: it, and vi are a special breed of editors for terminal mode that allow you to edit a lot without taking your hands off the home keys
[07:50] <harisund> ArrenLex: you still around?
[07:50] <myesterious> thanks
[07:50] <asd> hi all, i have got a used dell optiplex with intel onboard grafic. Ubuntu is only running at a very low resolution and I cannot change it. is it possible to allocate more memory to the chip in the x11 config file?
[07:51] <krazykit> odd.
[07:51] <O2> RRubin: what do you think the best IDE for C++ in ubuntu?
[07:51] <ArrenLex> harisund: yeah, what do you need?
[07:51] <krazykit> xine doesn't play some flac files that flac123 plays
[07:51] <holycow> 02 kdevelop
[07:51] <harisund> ArrenLex: distcc is AWESOME! Didn't know I could use it for bootstrapping Gentoo itself! Thanks a ton .. I had never heard of it.
[07:51] <azureal> best editor ever is vi =)
[07:51] <ArrenLex> asd: if you run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, it lets you determine how much memory to allocate.
[07:51] <RRubin> O2: i use vim
[07:51] <harisund> ArrenLex: will definitely make my kernel compilation much faster..
[07:51] <Brydenn33> fags
[07:52] <azureal> !language
[07:52] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:52] <RRubin> O2: but its not exactly an IDE.
[07:52] <ArrenLex> harisund: glad I could help you. Chanced across it when I was looking for a blender render farm. I ended up writing my own with bash, but I filed distcc away as a Cool Thing(tm)
[07:52] <holycow> ArrenLex, you wrote your own?
[07:52] <holycow> hehe
[07:52] <harisund> 'blender render' farm? What's that?
[07:52] <asd> ArrenLex:  I will try this, how many MB shoulr I use?
[07:52] <holycow> there are tons of render managers out there for blender
[07:52] <ArrenLex> holycow: blender farm. Yes. In bash.
[07:53] <harisund> oh .. ok .. anyway.. I am familiar with mpi and all.. and distcc seems good.. I am going to give it a try now .. thanks again
[07:53] <cschauer> Hey everyone, I have tried to install ubuntu on my computer But i'm recieving an error when it tries to load up that says that it failed to load teh graphical user interface, it's actually while I try to login
[07:53] <ArrenLex> holycow: I know, but none of them could combine Windows and Linux machines in a way that was easy for me to configure and understand.
[07:53] <azureal> lot of gui failures w/ edgy =/
[07:53] <holycow> what do you have the windows machines doing?
[07:53] <ArrenLex> asd: Hell if I know; I don't have an integrated card. I guess it depends on how much ram you have and all sorts of things.
[07:54] <asd> ArrenLex: thank you, I will try.
[07:54] <cschauer> Does anyone know what would cause that error?
[07:54] <ArrenLex> harisund: blender is a 3D animator\modeller. As you might imagine, the rendering of every single frame in a movie takes a while. So I wrote a program to make all computers in my network each render a part of the movie.
[07:55] <ArrenLex> !blender
[07:55] <ubotu> blender is a free application for 3D modelling, animation, rendering, etc. You can install it from Ubuntu's repositories, and tutorials are at http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Blender_3D:_Noob_to_Pro
[07:55] <holycow> ArrenLex, got a gallery online?
[07:56] <ArrenLex> holycow: no; after setting it all up, I figured out that I can't actually... you know, MAKE anything decent. And I don't have any need or desire to use blender. I'm not the artistic type; I'm a writer.
[07:56] <holycow> ArrenLex, rofl!!!
[07:56] <ArrenLex> holycow: so I followed some tutorials and was like, "ooh, aaah, this is faster." And then it fell into disuse.
[07:56] <ArrenLex> Yes, yes.
[07:56] <holycow> i love that :)
[07:57] <cschauer> ArrenLex do you know what would cause my ubuntu to fail to load the gui?
[07:58] <ArrenLex> cschauer: uh, lots of things? Does it give you an error message?
[07:58] <pwk> hi
[07:58] <ArrenLex> !hi
[07:58] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu!
[07:58] <cschauer> It just says it failed to load the graphical user interface when it asks for a login and password
[07:58] <O2> holycow: I don't use KDE, I use GNOME
[07:58] <pwk> i really want to install ubuntu
[07:58] <ArrenLex> cschauer: so it gives you the CLI rather than a display manager?
[07:59] <holycow> O2, makes no dif, you can run any app in any de
[07:59] <Flannel> pwk: you've come to the right place.   Text prompt.
[07:59] <pwk> i wish i knew what programs i could run instead of wnodws
[07:59] <cschauer> yes command line
[07:59] <ArrenLex> pwk: Linux is a program you can run instead of Windows.
[08:00] <holycow> pwk, open up system / admin / synaptic
[08:00] <holycow> a nice gui to let you install things from online repositories
[08:00] <ArrenLex> cschauer: log in from the command line. Then, run "startx". Pastebin whatever errors it gives you.
[08:00] <ArrenLex> Or... tell us about them, I guess, since you can't paste. How are you talking to us?
[08:00] <azureal> strange.. my x seemed to have fixed itself, but it still has bugs
[08:00] <O2> too many people here, if I leave for a while, I can't find my words...
[08:01] <ArrenLex> O2: it doesn't get any less than this =P
[08:01] <cschauer> here one moment, i'll get my laptop
[08:01] <cschauer> and log on irc from there
[08:01] <cschauer> brb
[08:03] <zoidberg> guys i was wondering if there is a webcam chat program for UBUNTU
[08:03] <zoidberg> ?
[08:03] <foo> minerale: Still around?
[08:03] <azureal> aps webcam
[08:03] <azureal> (apt-cache search)
[08:03] <zoidberg> azureal: is it like netmeeting?
[08:03] <azureal> i'm just telling you to search for it =P
[08:03] <ArrenLex> zoidberg: azeureal is just telling you to s... yes.
[08:03] <anilomkar> ubotu, How to mount windows partitions
[08:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about How to mount windows partitions - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:04] <azureal> aps is my alias for apt-cache search lol
[08:04] <ArrenLex> anilomkar: "mount" command, or put them in your /etc/fstab
[08:04] <bronaugh> ok.. well, that's fun.
[08:04] <bronaugh> I switched to my Radeon 9000 and crashes disappear.
[08:04] <ArrenLex> Yay disappearing crashes.
[08:04] <bronaugh> likewise, though, there are no crashes on my Debian box with the Radeon 7000.
[08:04] <ArrenLex> Yay Debian.
[08:05] <bronaugh> so I have to conclude that the debian driver lacks a bug that the ubuntu driver has.
[08:05] <patbam> hi folks, is there a way to install python2.5 with synaptic?
[08:05] <holycow> *ding* *ding* *ding* we have a winner
[08:05] <holycow> >_>
[08:05] <AbortD> how do i go about setting up dual monitors in ubuntu?
[08:05] <azureal> i have a weird graphical bug --- every window looks nice and themed, with its title, but right above the top left corner there's a small tab-sized portion of the window's title!
[08:05] <holycow> patbam, if its in repos sure, if not you need to find the packages or compile from scratch
[08:06] <Flannel> !tell AbortD about xinerama
[08:06] <bronaugh> azureal: graphics bug :) yay.
[08:06] <ArrenLex> Azureal: can you give us a screenshot?
[08:06] <bronaugh> AbortD: you should also look into MergedFB if your graphics driver supports it.
[08:06] <azureal> aye, one moment
[08:06] <bronaugh> AbortD: has more limitations wrt what arrangements of monitors you can have, but works better.
[08:06] <AbortD> mergedfb?
[08:06] <azureal> (forgot how to use scrot temporarily) =P
[08:06] <patbam> holycow: it doesn't show up when i search for python2.5 in syntaptic; does that mean it's not in the repos? ( i think that's the right spelling; python2.4 is there, for isntance)
[08:06] <holycow> correct
[08:06] <Flannel> patbam: right, 2.5 isn;t in repos
[08:07] <cschauer> k
[08:07] <cschauer> runnin ubuntu again to see what it says
[08:07] <AbortD> bronaugh: can i msg u?
[08:07] <Flannel> patbam: it was just released in september, of course it's not in dapper.
[08:07] <bronaugh> AbortD: rather keep it in chan, but if you think it's really important, go ahead.
[08:07] <AbortD> k
[08:08] <Geoffrey2> I understand there's actually a way to make Flash 9 work natively with Ubuntu...has anyone tried it, and how well does it actually work?
[08:08] <holycow> Geoffrey2, well i don't know but i do know if you wait adobe has promised to release a native version
[08:08] <patbam> Flannel: i see, okay, thanks. i'll try to compile it
[08:08] <Geoffrey2> holycow, some time in 2007, at present
[08:08] <ArrenLex> Geoffrey2: Uh, no? o_O
[08:09] <holycow> indeed
[08:09] <azureal> ArrenLex, here's your screenshot -- http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=2vmhxjs
[08:09] <ArrenLex> Geoffrey2: there exists no native Flash Player for Linux > 7 ATM. There is a Flash Player 9 in development -- http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf
[08:09] <pwk> after i fiinish my math homework i'll setup ubuntu if i can
[08:09] <rellis[home] > Anyone know how to add an entry to the menu that's displayed when you right click a file?
[08:09] <azureal> oh, another bug is that my terminal font has changed to something else
[08:09] <ArrenLex> Geoffrey2: You might be referring to CodeWeavers' Crossover Office, which lets you use windows plugins seamlessly in your Linux firefox. But this product costs money.
[08:09] <pwk> i got vista/ xp dual boot now
[08:10] <rellis[home] > I want to add an option to "Encrypt file..." and have it execute a program.
[08:10] <ChocoCid> codeweaver is crap
[08:10] <ChocoCid> they have a 60 day beta of the next thing
[08:10] <ChocoCid> i tried it out, read the license thing, and apparently all it is, is some shell-like thing that runs wine ;[
[08:10] <Draco> Morning all
[08:10] <pwk> so, will ubuntu still work?
[08:10] <ArrenLex> Azureal: I think that's just the theme you're using.
[08:10] <azureal> ArrenLex, nope
[08:10] <ChocoCid> still haven't figured out how wine can be included in proprietary software like that when wine is GPL'ed
[08:10] <Geoffrey2> ok, I was in here a while back and was reading someone posting that there was some complex hack that would make Flash 9 (Windows version i suspect), run...but I never saw what the hack was...oh well, just have to wait, I guess
[08:11] <ChocoCid> !flash
[08:11] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:11] <foo> I followed this but the user cannot login .. any ideas? http://www.ffnn.nl/pages/articles/linux/setting-up-a-chroot-jail-for-cvs.php
[08:11] <ChocoCid> bleh
[08:11] <ArrenLex> ChocoCid: codeweavers' office is basically wine, yes. But it has official support, some extra hacks, and the ability to run plugins.
[08:11] <cschauer> ArrenLex XIO: Fatal IO error 104 ( Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining
[08:11] <cschauer> Fatal server error: no screens found
[08:11] <ChocoCid> yeah, if i were going to pay, i'd get cedega before crossover
[08:11] <ChocoCid> i tried crossover beta thingy, it basically sucked :\
[08:12] <ArrenLex> cschauer: "no screens found" seems to indicate you're using the wrong driver for your card, or trying to use options your card does not support. Are you sure you're using the correct driver?
[08:12] <Draco> Ok heres my problem and I hope someone can help, full installation with ver 6 and my network card does not work, bytes received but no bytes sent, I have reinstalled twice. If I boot up with live cd ver 6 network card works fine, any ideas ? I have also installed windows to test the card and that works fine. Please help :)
[08:12] <ArrenLex> Draco: what kind of card is this?
[08:12] <cschauer> It did not give me an option, this is a fresh install and It hasn't brought me to any configurations to set or whatever
[08:12] <ArrenLex> cschauer: do you at least know what card you have?
[08:13] <Draco> onboard card for MSI motherboard
[08:13] <Geoffrey2> actually, I believe Flash 9 will run pretty well under plain wine.....I'm pretty sure I had it installed before Ubuntu melted down on me.....
[08:13] <cschauer> yes Radeon x1300 pro
[08:13] <ArrenLex> Geoffrey: it'll run fine under Wine, but you're going to also have to run Windows Firefox under wine to use it.
[08:13] <ArrenLex> cschauer: okay, run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and make sure to specify radeon driver.
[08:13] <azureal> where does one change the title of a window?
[08:14] <azureal> let's say..in bash
[08:14] <avagant> Where does one make the windows (firefox, konversation) transparent?
[08:14] <ArrenLex> Azureal: I don't think you can.
[08:14] <RRubin> azureal: if you want the title to reflect the current directory, theres some tricks in PS1 variable for that
[08:14] <ArrenLex> avagant: Are you looking for xgl\compiz, or simple compositing?
[08:14] <Geoffrey2> and perhaps that was the hack they were referring to...some way to make Linux browsers recognize and work with the Windows version of Flash...supposedly it had been posted on the .swf blog...I just didn't have time at the time to go looking for it
[08:15] <avagant> simple, i don't want to have to download another desktop environment i had plenty of trouble with that.
[08:15] <RRubin> azureal: otherwise, you can make a script that does it. its essentally echoing some escape charactors and the title and closing escape chars
[08:15] <ArrenLex> Geoffrey: if you find it, please share. I'd love to read it.
[08:15] <ArrenLex> Geoffrey: this is what codeweavers does, though. I highly doubt they would be able to sell their product if the same functionality was available for free.
[08:16] <azureal> RRubin, ah, ok... but general window titles would be a desktop problem?
[08:16] <Draco> no-suggestions on my problem ?
[08:16] <ArrenLex> avagant: what desktop environment are you running?
[08:16] <avagant> gnome.
[08:16] <RRubin> azureal: what happens is your printing magic codes that terminal emulators can choose to support.. and gnome-terminal does. so yeah. you can enable-disable support for that i think in the gnome-terminal configs
[08:16] <Geoffrey2> ArrenLex, codeweavers will make Windows Flash 9 work with the LINUX version of Firefox?
[08:16] <ArrenLex> avagant: I can tell you how to enable compositing in X, but as for actually making windows transparent... you're going to have to google the gnome settings for that; I only know how it's done in KDE.
[08:16] <ArrenLex> Geoffrey: absolutely.
[08:17] <ArrenLex> Geoffrey: It'll look like a regular plugin. Completely seamless.
[08:17] <avagant> ArrenLex: That's stinky. I figured out how to change themes and such, and that's as far as I've gotten.
[08:17] <Geoffrey2> ArrenLex, interesting....well, if they're gonna charge for it, they'd better offer a lot more than plain wine does
[08:17] <azureal> isnt transparency a compiz/xgl thing?
[08:17] <ArrenLex> Geoffrey: support.
[08:17] <Geoffrey2> ArrenLex, yep
[08:18] <ArrenLex> azureal: no; xgl\compiz goes far beyond simple transparency.
[08:18] <avagant> And I have to say, this whole sound thing feels like more I bit off more than I can chew.
[08:18] <RRubin> Geoffrey2: they did a lot of legwork as far as configuring it and testing it with various apps too
[08:18] <azureal> RRubin, ah, i'm just trying to figure out my graphical bug
[08:18] <avagant> I had sound, I lost it, I had it again, I lost it. Is this really worth it?
[08:18] <Draco> Ok heres my problem and I hope someone can help, full installation with ver 6 and my network card does not work, bytes received but no bytes sent, I have reinstalled twice. If I boot up with live cd ver 6 network card works fine, any ideas ? I have also installed windows to test the card and that works fine.
[08:19] <avagant> I just did my 6th install Draco, I know how you feel.
[08:19] <RRubin> avagant: unfortunately sound is an area thats not real strong in linux currently. theres many different standards and systems for doing it that conflict.
[08:19] <Geoffrey2> RRubin, I used it for a while before going back to plain wine...I can see they've done a lot of work to make certain programs work well with it, but several of the applications are stuck at rather obsolete versions
[08:19] <azureal> ArrenLex, by simple, do you mean "fake"?
[08:19] <avagant> RRubin: I have to say, it's just incredibly unreal.
[08:19] <ArrenLex> azureal: no, I do not mean "fake". The transparency is real.
[08:19] <charlie5> hi
[08:19] <Draco> avagant, first time problem for me normally installations run smoothly
[08:19] <charlie5> what adept packages would i need to get konqeror to load 'flash' pages ?
[08:19] <RRubin> avagant: you can get it to work reasonably enough by learning the different systems (esd, oss, etc) and understanding what is using what and configuring them etc
[08:19] <ChocoCid> !flash > charlie5
[08:20] <ArrenLex> charlie5: you need to install the flashplugin-nonfree package. Konqueror will find it.
[08:20] <avagant> The whole alsa solution doesn't work for me, because say I'm running xmms and firefox at the same time with alsa, if I turn down the volume on one, they both go down.
[08:20] <cschauer> alright, i did all the configuration changes, now what?
[08:20] <holycow> i would add that basically alsa is the open source standard and apps are starting to support it more and more
[08:20] <holycow> eventually the problem will dissapear transparently
[08:20] <RRubin> avagant: isnt there an xmms setting to use a local volume control or not?
[08:20] <ArrenLex> avagant: yes, they share the same configuration. You can solve this by going into the xmms options and setting "use software mixer".
[08:20] <charlie5> ChocoCid: thanks ... i will read the links
[08:20] <avagant> There's a thing for that? I didn't think of that.
[08:21] <Draco> *bangs head in frustration*
[08:21] <charlie5> ArrenLex: cheers ... i just added that one, but maybe i need to restart konqereor
[08:21] <avagant> It's really annoying though unfortunetly, I'll just have xmms on esd and firefox with aoss and it seems to work fine together.
[08:21] <cschauer> ArrenLex, should I do Startx again after the configuration or?
[08:21] <avagant> Also, xmms has some uglyyyyy icons.
[08:21] <ArrenLex> charlie5: tools-settingns-configure konqueror - plugins - scan for new plugins. Make sure it's found.
[08:22] <RRubin> avagant: beep-media-player :)
[08:22] <ArrenLex> cschauer: of course, if you want to try starting X. =P
[08:22] <avagant> I wish there was an icon pack for all of my icons.
[08:22] <cschauer> I'm getting the same error
[08:22] <charlie5> ArrenLex: thans very much :)
[08:22] <ArrenLex> charlie5: you're welcome.
[08:23] <ArrenLex> cschauer: what's the output of "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE"?
[08:23] <azureal> ArrenLex, that's brilliant -- the sound thing about using software control =P
[08:23] <ArrenLex> Of course it's brilliant. It is my advice, and I am brilliant.
[08:24] <charlie5> ArrenLex: yep, that did the trick :D ... cheers
[08:24] <avagant> I got it to work though, esd for beep and alsa for firefox.
[08:24] <avagant> err esd for xmms.
[08:24] <ArrenLex> avagant: .....why?
[08:25] <avagant> I still gives me that "no soundcard" crap if I try to run them both.
[08:25] <avagant> actually i haven't tested that lately.
[08:25] <cschauer> ArrenLex the output is (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER then (EE) No devices detected
[08:25] <ArrenLex> That's really odd. I had that problem like two years ago, before alsa was compiled with dmix support by default in the repos.