[00:06] <mappps> hi;]
[00:17] <daftykins> o/
[00:28] <mappps> the boy ..film sounds ok
[00:30] <daftykins> my bet is it's about a boy
[02:03] <diddledan> https://motherboard.vice.com/read/in-a-first-judge-throws-out-evidence-obtained-from-fbi-malware
[02:05] <daftykins> ooh err
[02:06] <daftykins> mmm chocolate raisins
[02:29] <pavlushka> !isitoutyet
[02:29] <lubotu3`> No, it's not out yet!
[02:30] <daftykins> please don't do that
[02:31] <pavlushka> daftykins: cp
[02:31] <daftykins> courgette piracy?
[02:35] <pavlushka> daftykins: what? never heard of that,
[02:35] <daftykins> i was guessing what your 'cp' was :D
[02:36] <pavlushka> cp, And I was guessing what your courgette means, http://www.bbcgoodfood.com/glossary/courgette
[02:37] <pavlushka> :p
[02:39] <pavlushka> and yeah, we do that often, your cp thing, :p
[02:40] <daftykins> i was more just asking what you meant, not giving rise to your nonsensical stream of gibberish
[02:42] <pavlushka> daftykins: if you are busy, you can say that but please dont talk like that, I have no intention to disturb anyone.
[02:45] <diddledan> smh
[02:46] <daftykins> indeed sir, shake those haribo!
[02:46] <daftykins> :D
[02:46] <diddledan> :-p
[02:49] <pavlushka> did I get anything wrong that diddledan smh-ing?
[03:17] <sebsebseb>
[06:17] <SebUbuntuTablet>
[07:10] <diddledan> what music should I put-on for a heavy coding session today?
[07:12] <knightwise> Jean Michel Jarre : Teo and Tea
[07:20] <zmoylan-pi> sunshine and lollipops... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQmBXEZEYtg
[07:21] <zmoylan-pi> if it's good for car chases... :-)
[07:29] <awilkins> !isitoutyet
[07:29] <lubotu3`> No, it's not out yet!
[07:29] <awilkins> :p
[07:34] <diddledan> today?
[07:53] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:54] <awilkins> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/04/20/canonical-unveils-6th-lts-release-of-ubuntu-with-16-04/
[08:28] <knightwise> morning MooDoo
[08:34] <MooDoo> how are you knightwise?
[08:36] <knightwise> Doin ok :)
[08:36] <knightwise> Listening to some music on spotify , then finding that music on youtube and downloading it :)
[08:36] <knightwise> mps-youtube ftw :)
[08:37] <MooDoo> knightwise: just studying for my MS exam, but not taking it that serious as it's not till July
[08:40] <knightwise> MooDoo: not enough pressure for a procrastinator to veer into action
[08:43] <MooDoo> knightwise: I'll read a lot this weekend.
[08:46] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:47] <knightwise> hey davmor2
[08:48] <MooDoo> hi davmor2
[08:48] <davmor2> morning knightwise MooDoo, 'ow am ya?
[08:49] <knightwise> Toppadamownin2ya
[08:52] <davmor2> knightwise: house of pain really have a lot to answer for, it's all I hear when I see that :)
[08:56] <knightwise> lol
[09:03] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Thursday, and happy High Five Day! ⁵ 😃
[09:06] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:13] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[09:14] <brobostigon> hi knightwise
[09:18] <SuperMatt> morning all
[09:18] <knightwise> hey SuperMatt
[09:18] <SuperMatt> today might be the day I move back to Ubuntu
[09:18]  * knightwise has been browsing around for a way to organise content from RSS feeds into my automated social media streams
[09:19] <knightwise> read : Tying together rss reader ifttt and Hootsuite auto-posting
[09:19] <knightwise> SuperMatt: Windows Millenium is going to miss you
[09:20] <SuperMatt> I've been using Fedora for the last year or so
[09:21] <diddledan> :-o
[09:22] <knightwise> Pirchforks anyone ?
[09:22] <knightwise> piTchforks
[09:24] <knightwise> Considering moving to tinytiny RSS and hosting the whole Shbang mysellf
[09:30] <SuperMatt> knightwise: good call
[09:30] <SuperMatt> I use it myself
[09:42] <knightwise> SuperMatt: have you tried any integrations with Pocket or Instapaper ?
[09:44] <zmoylan-pi> create a static website on dropbox for all your rss feeds
[09:44] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSC9cgvtkRs
[09:44] <zmoylan-pi> for mobile rss i use opera minis rss reader
[09:44] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: a static website for RSS feeds ?
[09:45] <knightwise> davmor2: great track
[09:45] <zmoylan-pi> well if you're filtering the rss feeds for news items that might interest you then filter them out to a static web page you can access knightwise
[09:46] <knightwise> Like the "published feeds" in tt-rss ?
[09:46] <knightwise> the ifttt script i have running takes all the articles I push to instapaper into a spreadsheet (links and description) . Those get uploaded to Hootsuite for scheduled auto-posting to facebook and linkedin
[09:59] <foobarry> i'd like a bot that removes dupes from twitter feeds and republishes them
[09:59] <foobarry> had to unsub from boingboing etc because of the horrendous dupe spamming
[10:04] <zmoylan-pi> i just move the busy more noise twitter feeds into a list and use plume or tweetdeck to show those lists in alternate streams
[10:09] <foobarry> there is a better way
[10:12] <SuperMatt> knightwise: no, I haven't, sorry
[10:16] <diddledan> is anyone here using virginmedia?
[10:17] <diddledan> my connection went down at about 1-2 am last night and is still dead as an upside-down dog
[10:17] <diddledan> very helpful, also, that the vm status page is currently offline
[10:18] <zmoylan-pi> do they have a outage page anywhere?
[10:18] <diddledan> they do, but as I say, it's offline
[10:18] <diplo> bigcalm and  popey do I belive
[10:18] <popey> o/
[10:18] <diddledan> o/
[10:19] <diddledan> http://www.virginmedia.com/servicestatus goes to a "holding" page for me
[10:20] <zmoylan-pi> sounds like they rm -rf a server somewhere... :-)
[10:20] <diddledan> like 123-reg did?
[10:21] <popey> I am on virgin and i'm still here
[10:21] <diplo> You can still make payments! :P
[10:21] <MooDoo> I've virgin and i'm still here too :)
[10:22] <MooDoo> diddledan: 123-reg was a huge fubar
[10:22] <diplo> Ah twas MooDoo on VM :)
[10:22] <davmor2> I'm on virgin too
[10:22]  * MooDoo is looking to build a new router
[10:23] <zmoylan-pi> all is well https://national.virginmedia.com/service-announcements/status
[10:23] <zmoylan-pi> but that might just be a lgl
[10:24] <diplo> When the big BT outage happened, all their status pages said the same :)
[10:24] <zmoylan-pi> hence lgl, lying green light... :-)
[10:25] <diddledan> that's their non-cable services
[10:26] <diddledan> but I'm guessing it's just me as popey and davmor2 have reported they're fine
[11:02] <MooDoo> any one ever played with pfsense?
[11:03] <diplo> A long time ago MooDoo - we're thinking of testing it at work again
[11:04] <MooDoo> yeah i'm looking into it now, not necessarily work, but definately at home
[11:04] <diplo> That's when I last used it at home, had a old PC running it with a few connectors
[11:04] <MooDoo> yeah want to turn my vm super hub into modem only mode.
[11:04] <diplo> but with routers getting cheaper i moved away
[11:05] <MooDoo> yeah there is that as well
[11:06] <diplo> I bought the witi for that reason, but can't get modem passthrough to work with sky :/
[11:06] <diplo> So going to move to VM soon
[11:08] <MooDoo> ah i'll see what I do, always in two minds
[11:09] <diplo> What would you run pfsense on?
[11:10] <MooDoo> self built mini atx probably
[11:10] <diplo> So cheap and powerful now
[11:10] <MooDoo> yeah definately
[11:10] <diplo> Mine was an old p166 or something, no lights on it and PSU probably cost me LOTS!
[11:11] <MooDoo> just that it's probably cheaper to get a cheap ac router than build a pc
[11:11] <diplo> But less control I guess, unless you go for openwrt
[11:12] <MooDoo> yeah, I think I'd rather go with something a little more powerful as my kids are getting older and will want internet access and their own computers soon
[11:15] <diplo> hah exactly my thoughts too
[11:16] <diplo> Yours youtube fanatics ?
[11:20] <MooDoo> diplo: oh just a bit, fgtv etc etc
[11:21] <davmor2> MooDoo: just use opendns and have it block everything :D
[11:21] <MooDoo> davmor2: I use opendns any way
[11:21] <davmor2> MooDoo: you think you do do you ;)
[11:22] <MooDoo> davmor2: ?
[11:23] <davmor2> MooDoo: I get a nice mix of opendns error pages and virginmedia error pages as on the super hub there is a virgindns entry you can't get rid of :)
[11:23] <MooDoo> davmor2: I use my own dhcp server so I can give the client on the lan the opendns dns
[11:24] <MooDoo> which im guessing you do too?
[11:25] <davmor2> MooDoo: indeed opendns on my openwrt router but the gateway to the internet is still the superhub which can then randomly change the outcome :)
[11:27] <MooDoo> yay virgin :)
[12:00]  * MooDoo wonders how many quit messages will be people upgrading ;)
[12:05] <foobarry> how do you deal with trolls in the workplace?
[12:06] <foobarry> i.e. people who know how to make the exact comment to wind you and others up, to obstruct work rather than make progress, usually the most lazy good for nothing out there, which winds you up all the more?
[12:06] <foobarry> its very hard to ignore
[12:06] <popey> i dont have any
[12:06] <foobarry> it's easier to ignore internet trolls, just click and move on
[12:07] <foobarry> i'm not used to it with grown-ups
[12:08] <TwistedLucidity> Ignore the comments. If performance is sub-par, speak with their manager.  Finding someone at the bottom of the stairs is, however, a tragic accident
[12:12]  * MooDoo is wathing a lot of IS FB down messages on twitter :)
[12:12] <knightwise> Gravity is a patient lover :)
[12:13] <foobarry> fb isn't down
[12:13] <foobarry> i'm watching a video right now
[12:13] <MooDoo> fb it is for quite a few people
[12:32] <sebsebseb> popey: what's an email client for Ubuntu Touch?  thought there was maybe one by default, but brif look now and doesn't seem like it
[12:32] <brobostigon> dekko?
[12:34] <JamesTait> Dekko is on the phone by default since OTA10, I think?
[12:34] <DanChapman> Yeah it was included by default in ota-10
[12:36] <sebsebseb> oh dekko hmm
[12:36] <sebsebseb> I don't thini that's on the tablet though
[12:36] <sebsebseb> but that's  a bit of a older version by default I guess
[12:37]  * sebsebseb really quite likes the cheaper tablet so far, wil buy FHD at a later date as well, got HD yep
[12:37] <sebsebseb> I  just bought bluetooth keyboards and mouse and such on Amazon last night, but  I think I am going to start using a lot :)
[12:38] <popey> the tablet shipped with ota 9
[12:38] <popey> AIUI
[12:38] <popey> I don't have one
[12:39] <sebsebseb> ah ha 0ta 9 that explains no dekko I guess then, I did see there was some kind of update or someting though I Think
[12:39] <sebsebseb> what does AI mean?
[12:39] <popey> yeah, update it
[12:39] <sebsebseb> yep Firefox or Ubuntu browser for browsing
[12:40] <sebsebseb> popey: yeah I will tommorow I think,  got to break away from the computer etc world pretty soon,  since got some plans for today,  things to get ready for etc
[12:47] <davmor2> sebsebseb: in tablet mode use the ubuntu web browser, with the keyboard and mouse you can use either.
[12:51] <SuperMatt> is 16.04 officially released now? Lots of outlets reporting it, but no official word on the site
[12:51] <MooDoo> sebsebseb: Artificial Intellegence?
[12:51] <MooDoo> !isitoutyet
[12:51] <lubotu3`> No, it's not out yet!
[12:52] <TwistedLucidity> WHY NOT!?!
[12:52] <SuperMatt> I figured as much
[12:52]  * TwistedLucidity blames popey
[12:52] <popey> wise
[12:52] <sebsebseb> davmor2: yeah I have figured that one out I thik
[12:52] <sebsebseb> davmor2: and you said was it last night
[12:52] <sebsebseb> or someone
[12:53] <sebsebseb> davmor2: the convergence apps work sort of with the touch screen, but not to type, need a keyboard to type
[12:53] <sebsebseb> the native apps work either way
[12:53] <sebsebseb> and yes a phablet someone else with the tablet I guess
[12:55] <davmor2> sebsebseb: yes so it is a feature being worked on but is actually really hard to get working well and really low level so lots of work involved. But the goal is to be able to use anything in any mode eventually
[13:00] <sebsebseb> davmor2: yep and I guess this kind of thing is indeed why convergence isn't quite fully ready yet
[13:00] <sebsebseb> davmor2: as in ready for joe and jane average for example
[13:00] <sebsebseb> who may for some reason end up with an Ubuntu device or buying one form some where
[13:02] <popey> sebsebseb: http://getsuperbook.com/ like the nexdock
[13:03] <sebsebseb> popey: oh right well, I have already crowd funded the Nexdock :)
[13:04] <sebsebseb> popey: they probably saw the Nexdock compaigain and thought oh let's do something similar!
[13:04] <sebsebseb> and where you find out about that one?
[13:06] <sebsebseb> popey: hmm it's some kid of OS or someting on it to? software?
[13:06] <sebsebseb> it's got some kind of OS?
[13:08] <popey> you know as much as me
[13:08] <TwistedLucidity> "Use NexDock with the latest Windows 10 mobile..." <- yeeargh!
[13:08]  * TwistedLucidity runs away
[13:14] <knightwise> The lumia HAS a windows dock to do this
[13:20] <sebsebseb> TwistedLucidity: no the Nexdock can be used with Android, Ubuntu, lap tops, etc etc too, look more cloestly at the campain
[13:20] <sebsebseb> also you can't buy that verson of the Nexdock anymore from them
[13:20] <sebsebseb> since the campain is over
[13:20]  * sebsebseb right really needs to go and get ready for something now hmm,  especailly if then going to go to cinema a bit later as well
[13:20] <sebsebseb> bye
[13:20] <sebsebseb> bye
[13:21]  * sebsebseb breaks away
[13:21]  * sebsebseb breaks away from IRC
[13:21] <sebsebseb> bye
[13:21] <sebsebseb> bye
[14:02] <diddledan> so is it out yet?
[14:03] <Myrtti> nothing on the announcement mailing list yet
[14:04] <MooDoo> !isitoutyet
[14:04] <lubotu3`> No, it's not out yet!
[14:05] <MooDoo> diddledan: it is here apparently - http://mirror.bytemark.co.uk/ubuntu-releases/16.04/
[14:06] <Myrtti> "maybe"
[14:06] <MooDoo> !isitoutyet
[14:06] <lubotu3`> No, it's not out yet!
[14:06] <MooDoo> popey: says it's out on twitter :)
[14:06] <popey> FSVO "it"
[14:06] <MooDoo> ok that might be the podcast lol
[14:08] <popey> Gotcha :)
[14:10] <TwistedLucidity> I guess it's time to upgrade from 14.10. What me, lazy?
[14:11] <TwistedLucidity> And by "upgrade" I really mean "Nuke & pave"
[14:28] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[14:29] <bigcalm> !isitoutyet
[14:29] <lubotu3`> No, it's not out yet!
[14:29] <bigcalm> No?
[14:30] <AuroraAvenue> !isitoutyet
[14:30] <lubotu3`> No, it's not out yet!
[14:30] <TwistedLucidity> Never fear, Kerbal Space Program 1.1 is out; you can crash rockets until 16.04 drops.
[14:31] <bigcalm> Are Bytemark wrong? https://twitter.com/bytemark/status/723147660073525248
[14:32] <bigcalm> I'm confused
[14:32] <TwistedLucidity> Maybe it's "out" to various parnters, but hasn't yet replicated across enough mirrors for it to be public?
[14:33] <bigcalm> Could be
[14:33] <bigcalm> Not on Digital Ocean yet
[14:35] <AuroraAvenue> popey, Why am I the only one on #ubuntu-community ? Where is everyone ?
[14:37] <Demented-Idiot> bigcalm: Bytemark run a mirror so they have a copy of 16.04 but until its anounced properly its not the final version :) We've been playing with our deployment systems here in preparation for it to drop
[14:38] <popey> AuroraAvenue: because the channel is #ubuntu-tommunity-team
[14:38] <AuroraAvenue> fair enough. cheers
[14:38] <bigcalm> Who's Tom?
[14:38] <popey> minus typos
[14:38] <bigcalm> Ah
[14:38] <bigcalm> !rat
[14:38] <lubotu3`> rat is The Real Ale Train. A yearly Ubuntu UK loco event to celebrate friends, trains and ale. Saturday 10th September 2016, Hampshire, UK: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/3350-real-ale-train-2016/
[14:38] <bigcalm> :D
[14:39] <Myrtti> I think the story I heard years and years ago was basically what TwistedLucidity said, but also with the added reason of discouraging the public to download it so that other mirrors could sync it proper. That isn't to say that there won't be changes to it and it's not the final one.
[14:39] <Myrtti> or whatevs
[14:39] <Myrtti> you got the idea
[14:40] <Myrtti> I'm not in my brightest, hubby had to go to work middle of the night last night for a product launch, so I've not slept the best of nights sleep
[14:40] <bigcalm> For some reason I was expecting it to be released on the last Thursday of the month
[14:40] <Myrtti> it's been the third Thursday as far as I remember
[14:41] <bigcalm> Ah
[14:41] <Myrtti> with the exception of 10.10
[14:41] <bigcalm> Myrtti: I kept my wife awake with my snoring. She's not a happy bunny
[14:41] <bigcalm> Indeed
[14:41] <popey> We say it's "out" when the release manager sends the mail to the announce list
[14:41] <popey> because that's when everything is "done"
[14:41] <Myrtti> we got a new bed last week, it's lush
[14:41] <popey> including mirroring to CDNs and stuff
[14:41] <Myrtti> popey: exactomundo
[14:41] <popey> and every time someone pulls from releases.ubuntu.com etc it reduces the bandwidth for us to sync to mirrors
[14:42] <bigcalm> I want a new bed. One that has memory foam and not laytex for the topper. There's a horrible me sized dent in the bed where it has settled
[14:42] <popey> i had that feeling while laying in bed
[14:42] <AuroraAvenue> !isitoutyet
[14:42] <lubotu3`> No, it's not out yet!
[14:43] <Myrtti> we've got the best non-spring mattress from IKEA and a Julian Bowen sprung slat bed to go with it
[14:43] <popey> grabbed phone - said to wifey, shall I get a new mattress? memory foam one
[14:43] <popey> opened amazon app. clicked "buy it now" and it arrived next day
[14:43] <popey> done
[14:43] <popey> i love buying bed from my bed
[14:43] <Myrtti> the divan had given up the ghost - the support struts had given in under the chipboard
[14:43] <AuroraAvenue> popey, Are you on 'Prime' , then ?
[14:44] <Myrtti> and it being divided to two pieces to a head piece and foot piece - it was hitting my hip :-(
[14:44] <bigcalm> I can't bring myself to buy a bed online. It's one of those things that I need to try 1st
[14:44] <Myrtti> bigcalm: we had a list of what we needed and wanted and found it online - no showrooms anywhere had it on display.
[14:44] <bigcalm> IKEA is good then?
[14:45] <Myrtti> well our bed frame isn't from IKEA, we might get their sprung slats later if need be
[14:45] <popey> ya
[14:45] <Myrtti> we just couldn't find a bed frame from them that fulfilled what we wanted, despite the effort
[14:46] <bigcalm> Considering how much we spent on the mattress we have, I'm loathed to get a new one. Ever
[14:46] <Myrtti> http://www.ukbedstore.com/wooden-bed-frames/julian-bowen-amsterdam-5ft-kingsize-low-foot-end-oak-bed-frame.html
[14:46] <AuroraAvenue> popey, Is there a way to install Ubuntu-Touch on a Nexus 4 on Windows 7 ?
[14:47] <Myrtti> bigcalm: that ticked all our boxes: 1) solid wood 2) sprung slats 3) no footboard 4) space underneath for storage boxes
[14:51] <popey> AuroraAvenue: yeah, I think so, with the adb tools
[14:52] <AuroraAvenue> popey, Do you know of a tutorial (?) - 'cos I cant find one.
[14:52] <AuroraAvenue> popey, Thinking about it - it's alright I shall install 16.04 ontop after today, anyways.
[14:56] <AuroraAvenue> !isitoutyet
[14:56] <lubotu3`> No, it's not out yet!
[14:56] <AuroraAvenue> I don't get it - OMG says it is ! http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/04/ubuntu-16-04-download-new-features
[14:57] <Myrtti> OMG is not the official announcement
[14:57] <AuroraAvenue> k
[14:57] <Myrtti> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/
[14:58] <AuroraAvenue> Always some obscure part of the eco-system - where news actually lives.
[15:02] <popey> not really. that's the official announcement, but ubuntu.com and other places get updated too
[15:03] <Myrtti> the crowds are getting restless, getting their pitchforks
[15:03] <Myrtti> *rubblerubblerubble*
[15:03]  * JamesTait has a hammer ready to fend them off.
[15:03] <popey> heheh
[15:04]  * m0nkey_ will remain on 14.04
[15:05] <m0nkey_> In other news, the remote start on my car is failing to function.
[15:05] <Myrtti> awwww
[15:05]  * AuroraAvenue imagines JamesTait http://i.imgur.com/7NR6wQQ.gifv
[15:05] <m0nkey_> I think it's the remote battery, because when I got super close to the engine bay it worked.. once.
[15:06] <m0nkey_> It's a CR2032.. being a computer guy I should have a ton of them. Yet, I can't find one.
[15:07] <JamesTait> AuroraAvenue, you've been listening to davmor2 too much. 😉
[15:07] <m0nkey_> Oh, in other other news. Parents are on the way over.
[15:08] <davmor2> JamesTait: pfff he's obviously in qa
[15:08] <Myrtti> fun times. We've got masses of stuff to do but should try to schedule a trip to see inlaws... ho hum.
[15:09] <m0nkey_> Anyway, how are you? Everything good?
[15:10] <Myrtti> just normal everyday life :-) D is upstairs sleeping his last nights 'woo we're finally shipping the labour of months work project tonight... at 0200' lack of sleep away
[15:10] <m0nkey_> lol
[15:11] <m0nkey_> When is it due to ship?
[15:11] <Myrtti> I think originally February, then March for testing.
[15:12] <m0nkey_> Oh, so a different project? lol
[15:12] <Myrtti> yeah
[15:12] <Myrtti> maybe he'll do something not work related at home for a while...
[15:13] <Myrtti> (it's not been quite as bad as I might make it sound)
[15:14] <m0nkey_> :)
[15:14] <m0nkey_> How's the other project going?
[15:15] <Myrtti> nothing newsworthy :-)
[15:15] <Myrtti> ie. no news is good news
[15:15] <m0nkey_> True
[15:16] <m0nkey_> Btw, we might be visiting England sometime next year. My niece is getting married, we're not sure of the date, but I'd like to make an effort to come visit you guys.
[15:17] <Myrtti> ooooo \o/
[15:21] <AuroraAvenue> !isitoutyet
[15:21] <lubotu3`> No, it's not out yet!
[15:22] <AuroraAvenue> Getting late - it's usually 2pm.
[15:22] <m0nkey_> I guess something is not out yet. lol
[15:22] <AuroraAvenue> 16.04
[15:22] <ali1234> i seem to recall that last release the factoid didn't even get updated
[15:22] <m0nkey_> 14.04 4 LIFE!
[15:26] <SuperMatt> AuroraAvenue: most of them have landed ~5pm, from what I remember
[15:26] <AuroraAvenue> my bad, sorry.
[15:26] <Myrtti> I think I've seen anything from 1300 to 1700
[15:27] <AuroraAvenue> I certainly remember something earlier around 1-2pm ~ but that's going back somewhat.
[15:28] <AuroraAvenue> Any questions ? #juju channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUbCvcBBeg8
[15:28] <ali1234> is juju still a thing?
[15:29] <AuroraAvenue> I guess.
[15:29] <AuroraAvenue> ali1234: I guess your not a blogger .
[15:30] <AuroraAvenue> https://jujucharms.com/q/ghost
[15:31] <JamesTait> ali1234, very much so, yes. ☺
[15:31] <ali1234> i haven't heard anything about it for what seems like years
[15:32] <JamesTait> Juju 2.0 was released just last week, IIRC.
[15:32] <AuroraAvenue> Ghost is good, I find http://alternativeto.net/software/ghost/
[15:32] <ali1234> is it possible to run juju on one computer yet?
[15:32] <ali1234> in production i mean
[15:33] <AuroraAvenue> I shall ask.
[15:33] <ali1234> that was always the big problem for me. it would increase my infrastructure costs about 10x if i need an instance for every virtual machine it uses
[15:33] <JamesTait> ali1234, so you mean to deploy services to node 0?
[15:33] <ali1234> i mean i have one dedicated server and i want to use juju
[15:33] <JamesTait> Yes, you can do that.
[15:34] <AuroraAvenue> ali1234: Yes it is.
[15:35] <ali1234> i could do it before but it was always marked "DO NOT USE THIS IN PRODUCTION"
[15:35] <popey> it's all lxc/lxd now isn't it JamesTait ?
[15:35] <popey> (I know nothing about juju)
[15:36] <JamesTait> popey, that's how we tend to use it for development, but you can actually deploy services directly to the bootstrap node.
[15:37] <brmbrmcar> !isitoutyet
[15:37] <lubotu3`> No, it's not out yet!
[15:37] <brmbrmcar> :(
[15:37]  * brmbrmcar cries
[15:37] <JamesTait> I started out with an exiting VPS and created a Juju environment from it using the manual provider.
[15:38] <JamesTait> Then do something along the lines of `juju deploy cs:apache2 --to=0` (might not be quite the right syntax).
[15:39] <brobostigon> anyone seen this bug before? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=811094
[15:39] <lubotu3`> Debian bug 811094 in libpam-poldi "broken default configuration" [Important,Open]
[15:44] <ali1234> "one comical license"
[15:45] <AuroraAvenue> ali1234: yeah, got that , hehe
[15:46] <ali1234> i should use that on my projects
[15:54] <AuroraAvenue> !isitoutyet
[15:54] <lubotu3`> No, it's not out yet!
[15:55] <Myrtti> AuroraAvenue: for what it's worth, you might not even get an accurate update from lubotu3`'s factoids, unless the locobots are going to be synchronised right after the release is announced
[15:56] <AuroraAvenue> So it's worthless tryin' ?
[16:09] <brmbrmcar> !isitoutyet
[16:09] <lubotu3`> No, it's not out yet!
[16:13] <AuroraAvenue> brmbrmcar: How crouton going ?
[16:16] <brmbrmcar> I haven't tried it yet for 16.04...
[16:16] <JamesTait> According to ubuntu.com it is out.
[16:17] <brmbrmcar> I'll probably do a clean install when it is supported.
[16:17] <brmbrmcar> Oh yeah!
[16:19] <AuroraAvenue> !isitoutyet
[16:19] <lubotu3`> No, it's not out yet!
[16:20] <AuroraAvenue> JamesTait: What the link ?
[16:20] <ali1234> www.ubuntu.com
[16:20] <brmbrmcar> ubuntu.com/download
[16:20] <JamesTait> AuroraAvenue, I'm just going by the banner on ubuntu.com
[16:21] <brmbrmcar> I'm going by download page.
[16:21] <ali1234> the images have been up for hours lol
[16:21] <brmbrmcar> But the download only recently added.
[16:21] <ali1234> yes
[16:21] <AuroraAvenue> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/thank-you?country=IM&version=16.04&architecture=amd64
[16:21] <ali1234> until it's released the images can change
[16:21] <brmbrmcar> I want Ubuntu 16.04!
[16:21] <brmbrmcar> I want it!
[16:22] <ali1234> [Rate 20993.9/569.3 KB]
[16:22] <ali1234> i think my server is throttled
[16:23] <highbury> http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/
[16:23] <ali1234> either that or nobody is bothering with torrents
[16:24] <highbury> for Kent University's UK Mirror serveice
[16:24] <highbury> .torrent and .metalink files are there
[16:25]  * bashrc checks distrowatch
[16:25] <popey> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2016-April/000207.html
[16:25] <popey> *now* it's out
[16:25] <Myrtti> gj, congrats to the team
[16:26] <brmbrmcar> !isitoutyet
[16:26] <lubotu3`> It's Out!!! See - http://www.ubuntu.com/download
[16:26] <brmbrmcar> YAY
[16:26] <brmbrmcar> Next step: crouton support
[16:26] <ali1234> popey: did the snappy docs get rewritten as promised?
[16:26]  * AuroraAvenue deploys his Squirrel Army .....
[16:26] <popey> que?
[16:27] <ali1234> oh maybe it was ogra i was talking to
[16:27] <popey> probbaly
[16:28] <ali1234> i'll go and ask him rignow, he'll like that lol
[16:29] <bashrc> I'll download the MATE version whenever it's out and use that as my "new users" distro.
[16:30] <popey> :)
[16:33] <ali1234> does 16.04 have the unity 8 preview session thing?
[16:35] <popey> i dont think it's on the cd
[16:35] <popey> but in the archive
[16:35] <popey> but i may have manually installed it
[16:35] <popey> yeah, not installed here
[16:35] <popey> unity8-desktop-session-mir
[16:35] <ali1234> thanks
[16:36] <ali1234> is there like... a tablet session?
[16:36] <ali1234> or does it automatically know if you have a touchscreen?
[16:37] <popey> well, it knows that you don't have a keyboard
[16:38] <ali1234> but i do have a keyboard
[16:38] <popey> great!
[16:38] <ali1234> and a touchscreen
[16:38] <popey> so you wont get osk
[16:38] <popey> but you will be able to touch, yeah
[16:38] <ali1234> it's even multitouch i think
[16:38] <ali1234> well i'll try it and see what happens
[16:45] <AuroraAvenue> Downloaded it .. ready to install :-)
[16:46] <AuroraAvenue> !isitoutyet
[16:46] <lubotu3`> It's Out!!! See - http://www.ubuntu.com/download
[16:46] <diddledan> I'll be ready next time
[16:46]  * diddledan still coding
[17:05] <DJones> Another musician being reported as passing away, Prince
[17:05] <brobostigon> prince, forimally known as prince.
[17:05] <zmoylan-pi> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_%28musician%29
[17:06] <brobostigon> prince, formally known as prince.
[17:06] <zmoylan-pi> is his name in unicode?
[17:07] <MartijnVdS> no
[17:08] <MartijnVdS> zmoylan-pi: "The Unicode Standard contains a no-Prince rule: "the Unicode Standard does not encode idiosyncratic, personal, novel, rarely exchanged, or private-use characters"."
[17:09] <Myrtti> wondering why there's no sources to BBC
[17:09] <Myrtti> or Guardian
[17:09] <Myrtti> for the Prince news
[17:11] <zmoylan-pi> now on daily fail
[17:11] <DJones> THis looks like the original source http://www.tmz.com/2016/04/21/prince-dead-at-57/
[17:12] <DJones> Myrtti: BBC now http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36106778?
[17:13] <m0nkey_> wtf
[17:15] <m0nkey_> 2016 is turning into a real killer. :-(
[17:15] <zmoylan-pi> and it's only april...
[17:17] <m0nkey_> It's devastating. David Bowie, Terry Wogan, Ronny Corbett, Victoria Wood, now Prince.
[17:17] <zmoylan-pi> paul daniels and a few others i think
[17:18] <Myrtti> don't jinx it too much
[17:18] <Myrtti> not today
[17:18] <Myrtti> not _today_
[17:18] <m0nkey_> Oh yeah, forgot about Daniels
[17:23] <m0nkey_> wow.. parents flight lands in approx 1.5hrs, customs waiting time is 5 minutes. sounds like i got to leave in an hour to go to the airport.
[17:24] <m0nkey_> the flight also left half hour late
[17:24] <m0nkey_> basically, what was a 7.5hr flight is less than 6.5
[17:25] <zmoylan-pi> that's some tail wind...
[17:25] <m0nkey_> hell yeah
[18:03] <AuroraAvenue_> Bad Voltage is out ... https://twitter.com/badvoltage/status/723176043893288961
[20:45] <ali1234> okay 16.04 is installed
[20:46] <AuroraAvenue_> ali1234: Your ready to blast into this then: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/04/10-things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-16-04-lts
[20:47] <lopta> What makes Ubuntu different from other Linux distributions such as Debian?
[20:47] <AuroraAvenue_> lopta: Wow your late to the party.
[20:48]  * AuroraAvenue_ welcomes lopta
[20:48] <ali1234> hmm i don't think i'll be doing any of those things
[20:48] <lopta> AuroraAvenue_: I don't understand.
[20:49] <AuroraAvenue_> ali1234: I don't think you'd approve of 'anything' I ever could give you even if I tried . Try helping lopta out will you ?
[20:50] <ali1234> lopta: ubuntu (the desktop) is focused almost entirely on mobile and apps now
[20:50] <lopta> Ah ok. That would explain Unity.
[20:51] <ali1234> to this end they've written their own display server
[20:51] <ali1234> their own user interface
[20:51] <ali1234> and invented their own packaging system
[20:51] <ali1234> none of which is compatible with other distributions
[20:51] <lopta> Do people prefer Ubuntu's packaging system?
[20:51] <AuroraAvenue_> It's called the Ubuntu eco-system.
[20:51] <ali1234> nobody knows yet because it isn't finished
[20:51] <zmoylan-pi> and if you don't like unity (i don't) you can still go with kubuntu, xubuntu, lubuntu which still gives you a good distro with a lot of support
[20:52] <ali1234> there is actually a kind of preview of it in 16.04
[20:52] <ali1234> this is actually their second attempt at re-inventing Mac app bundles
[20:52] <ali1234> the first one, click, never went anywhere afaict
[20:55] <lopta> Does Ubuntu Phone use something like Unity?
[20:55] <ali1234> it uses unity
[20:55] <lopta> I should google for screen shots.
[20:55] <ali1234> unity 8 to be specific
[20:55] <ali1234> it looks almost exactly the same as unity 7
[20:56] <ali1234> okay unity8 is now installed and i logged in
[20:57] <zmoylan-pi> good luck :-)
[20:57] <ali1234> i just get a black screen
[20:57] <ali1234> popey?
[20:58] <lopta> Am I right in thinking that Unity is supposed to appeal to manufacturers of tablets and phones (and laptops?)?
[20:58] <ali1234> lopta: yes
[20:58]  * lopta ponders
[20:58] <ali1234> ooo it did somehting
[20:58] <ali1234> screensaver still works
[21:00] <ali1234> well it has completely crashed
[21:00] <ali1234> there's no ttys running?
[21:00] <ali1234> i don't know what to do now
[21:01] <ali1234> going to have to pull the battery
[21:01] <lopta> ali1234: What're you testing it on?
[21:01] <ali1234> a lenovo convertible
[21:02] <lopta> ali1234: Does it have a keyboard?
[21:02] <ali1234> yes
[21:02] <lopta> (not that familiar with convertibles)
[21:02] <lopta> Does Alt-F2 bring anything up?
[21:02] <ali1234> yes. it says "/dev/sda1: clean, ....."
[21:02] <ali1234> there are not ttys though
[21:03] <lopta> That's Alt-F2 and not Ctrl+Alt+F2 ?
[21:03] <ali1234> oh sorry. alt-f2 does nothing at all
[21:03] <lopta> Ah, ok.
[21:03] <ali1234> (as you would expect)
[21:03] <lopta> What does Ctrl-Alt-Backspace do?
[21:03] <ali1234> nothing
[21:03] <lopta> Oh, so much for that theory then.
[21:05] <ali1234> ah the power button
[21:05] <ali1234> that works
[21:06] <ali1234> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8-desktop-session/+bug/1537389
[21:06] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 1537389 in unity8-desktop-session (Ubuntu) "The Desktop Never Loads and just stays on a black screen" [Critical,Confirmed]
[21:07] <ali1234> oh i have ttys now
[21:08] <lopta> Is Ubuntu popular?
[21:09] <ali1234> how do you define popular?
[21:11] <lopta> I suppose that's tough to measure.
[21:11] <zmoylan-pi> it's #3 on distrowatch which is a crude measure http://distrowatch.com/
[21:12] <lopta> zmoylan-pi: I'll take that as a "yes".
[21:16] <ali1234> running ubuntu-bug... let's see what it attaches
[21:22]  * lopta ponders
[21:23] <Myrtti> distrowatch is whack
[21:24] <lopta> Whack is a bad thing, right?
[21:24]  * lopta fires up a laptop to burn a DVD
[21:25] <zmoylan-pi> you can put the distro on a usb drive if you want to save yourself a dvd
[21:26] <lopta> zmoylan-pi: This one's not an Ubuntu disc. Thanks for the suggestion though.
[21:28] <lopta> Well, it's a disc for a distribution that is based on Ubuntu.
[21:28] <popey> yo
[21:28] <lopta> ...I may try an Ubuntu disc afterwards, if I get time.
[21:28] <lopta> (today)
[21:28] <Myrtti> lopta: well. The 'crude measure' is actually just 'how many people have looked at the page about Ubuntu on distrowatch' measure.
[21:28] <lopta> Hello popey!
[21:28] <ali1234> popey: unity8 is borked
[21:28] <Myrtti> so it's not much of any value.
[21:28] <lopta> Myrtti: That doesn't seem very scientific ;-)
[21:28] <ali1234> black screen, nothing happens. any ideas where i should look?
[21:28] <Myrtti> lopta: yeah, it's not.
[21:29] <lopta> ali1234: Not at the screen, apparently ;-)
[21:29] <ali1234> apparently
[21:29] <ali1234> i ran "ubuntu-bug unity8-desktop-session-mir" to see if it would attach anything useful, it did not
[21:29] <lopta> Is Mir lighter than X?
[21:30] <ali1234> there are no relevant errors on dmesg or syslog either
[21:30] <ali1234> lopta: probably... anything is lighter than X
[21:30] <lopta> ali1234: I'm surprised by that.
[21:33] <lopta> ali1234: Faster too?
[21:33] <ali1234> theoretically
[21:33] <ali1234> it's kind of hard to say when you just get a black screen
[21:34] <zmoylan-pi> but a fast black screen using little ram... :-P
[21:34] <ali1234> the display server is not usually the limiting factor if you have decent hardware
[21:34] <ali1234> unless you are playing a game
[21:34] <lopta> ali1234: Is this the first Ubuntu that included Mir, or used it by default?
[21:35] <ali1234> it does not use it by default
[21:35] <lopta> ali1234: Did you choose to try it?
[21:36] <ali1234> and the unity 8 preview has been available since 14.04
[21:40] <popey> ali1234:  which video card?
[21:40] <ali1234> some kind of intel
[21:40] <popey> hm
[21:40] <ali1234> Atom D4xx/D5xx/N4xx/N5xx Integrated
[21:40] <popey> I'd be inclined to ubuntu-bug unity8 or mir
[21:41] <popey> look in ~/.cache/upstart
[21:41] <lopta> ali1234: Don't use have the PowerVR GPU in them?
[21:41] <popey> unity8 log and unity8-dash log
[21:41] <ali1234> hmm there's some crashes in there
[21:41] <lopta> If it's what I think it is, it's not intel graphics, even though it's on an Intel die.
[21:42] <popey> that is also plausible
[21:42] <popey> ew poulsbo
[21:42] <ali1234> it's not poulsbo
[21:42] <popey> ok
[21:42] <ali1234> hang on i'll find out exactly what it is
[21:42] <lopta> Cedarview?
[21:43] <ali1234> it's this, but that's not very helpful: http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog/component/pci/8086%3Aa011/
[21:45] <ali1234> apparently it is i915
[21:45] <ali1234> supports opengl 1.5, no ES
[21:46] <ali1234> another bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1536662
[21:46] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 1536662 in mir (Ubuntu) "[regression] Black screen: Mir hangs and then crashes on startup/login due to reading from /dev/random" [Critical,Triaged]
[21:46] <ali1234> "Before logging in, move the mouse around lots, for at least 20 seconds." hehehe
[21:47] <popey> :)
[21:47] <ali1234> says its fixed
[21:48] <ali1234> i think my graphics is pineview
[21:48] <lopta> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Atom_microprocessors#.22Cedarview.22_.2832_nm.29
[21:48] <lopta> Pineview should be Dxxx rather than Dxxxx, iirc.
[21:49] <popey> fix committed, not released
[21:49] <ali1234> my CPU is N455
[21:49] <popey> so not in the archive?
[21:49] <ali1234> hmm possibly
[21:49] <lopta> Ah, that's Pineview then I think. I'll check.
[21:50] <lopta> Great, that's Intel graphics then.
[21:51] <ali1234> hmm let me reboot, wipe the logs, and try again
[21:52] <ali1234> aww i forgot to move the mouse around
[21:55] <lopta> I have to go home now.
[21:58] <ali1234> excessive mouse motion didn't help
[21:59] <ali1234> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15973611/
[22:01] <ali1234> hmm let's try ubuntu-bug unity8 since i have a crash file for it
[22:12] <ali1234> so te weird thing is i have a core dump that says unity8 exited with sigabort
[22:12] <ali1234> but it's still running
[22:13] <ali1234> maybe it is out of date
[22:17] <ali1234> hmm bamfdaemon is crashing
[22:18] <ali1234> but again, it's still running
[22:23] <popey> bamfdaemon isn't used in unity8
[22:24] <ali1234> yeah it appears to be crashing because there is not X11 available
[22:24] <popey> ah
[22:24] <ali1234> so i guess that is not related
[22:24] <popey> are you logging out and logging in with unity8 session?
[22:24] <ali1234> no
[22:24] <popey> ah
[22:24] <popey> do that :)
[22:24] <ali1234> i am selecting unity8 at the greeter
[22:24] <popey> oh, same thing
[22:24] <ali1234> i am not logging out, i don't have autologin set up. i thought thats what you meant
[22:24] <popey> oh
[22:25] <popey> i dont think we test side by side
[22:25] <popey> bet it works if you logout
[22:25] <ali1234> no no
[22:25] <ali1234> you don't understand
[22:25] <ali1234> i am not logging out because i am not logging in
[22:25] <ali1234> so there is nothing for me to log out of
[22:25] <ali1234> i could log in, then log out, then try unity8, if you think that would help?
[22:26] <ali1234> i do this: reboot -> select unity8 at greeter -> log in to unity8
[22:26] <ali1234> i have only logged in to unity7 once in order to install unity8
[22:28] <popey> oh
[22:28] <popey> sorry, thats what I meant
[22:28] <popey> only one session
[22:29] <popey> yeah, file a bug :)
[22:29] <ali1234> against unity8?
[22:29] <ali1234> i already filed one against unity8-desktop-session
[22:30] <ali1234> but apport didn't collect anything useful
[22:33] <ali1234> ah, i think i can apport-collect more useful information
[22:33] <ali1234> on the existing bug
[22:37] <ali1234> hmm that didn't work
[22:46] <popey> yeah, against unity8
[22:59] <ali1234> okay it still didn't attach the unity8.log
[23:05] <ali1234> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8-desktop-session/+bug/1573253
[23:05] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 1573292 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1573253 Black screen after greeter." [Undecided,New]
[23:05] <ali1234> wait no
[23:06] <ali1234> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1573292 that one
[23:06] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 1573292 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "Black screen after greeter." [Undecided,New]
[23:12] <ali1234> hmm i should have read that other bug all the way to the end
[23:12] <ali1234> pineview isnt supported
[23:22] <ali1234> unity 7 is pretty smooth though so thats nice
[23:22] <ali1234> takes forever to log in though


[01:06] <asac> hello
[01:15] <dfarning> asac hey
[01:17] <dfarning> jhnjwng how are you?
[01:18] <jhnjwng> good, got your email, let me know what I should do to join the team.
[01:18] <asac> dfarning: you want to setup some clue files for bughelper? I haven't used it so far ... what can we do?
[01:18] <dfarning> cool is there an area you are interested in
[01:19] <dfarning> asac I haven't used it either.  I spent much of the afternoon managling the bug mail;(
[01:20] <jhnjwng> I'd like to start with general bug triage. also interested in jvm related stuff.
[01:20] <asac> hehe ... yeah some activity lately :)
[01:21] <dfarning> jhnjwng meet asac
[01:21] <dfarning> asac meet jhnjwng
[01:21] <jhnjwng> hi asac.how r u.
[01:22] <dfarning> asac is our new developer and jhnjwng is interested in joinin the team
[01:22] <asac> jhnjwng: hello hello ... to start bug triage there are quite some options :)
[01:22] <dfarning> are you familaer with triaging
[01:23] <jhnjwng> I just started learning.
[01:23] <jhnjwng> I have read the document and  triaged couple,
[01:24] <dfarning> Just jump in by reading the mozillteam wiki
[01:24] <dfarning> some should be hear to answer any of your questions
[01:24] <dfarning> some one should be here
[01:24] <asac> a good thing is to subscribe to the bug system and follow how others process bugs
[01:25] <jhnjwng> I did watched for some time.
[01:26] <asac> gootd ... then there are lots of options ... getting initial info if bugs get post, trying to reproduce, trying to verify if there are already duplicates, trying to find upstream bugs (quite important)
[01:28] <jhnjwng> when you say upstream, do you mean bugzilla.mozilla.org?
[01:28] <asac> yes ... thats our main upstream bugtracker
[01:29] <dfarning> asac do you have a contact at mozilla?
[01:29] <asac> maybe important to know that we have to find a common understanding of how to use bug states and tags to better coordinate the workflow we need in order to process the quite huge amounts ob bug submissions we get
[01:29] <asac> dfarning: some ... what do you want?
[01:30] <asac> for the definition on how to use bug states and bug tags I started to setup wiki pages
[01:30] <jhnjwng> I also have a little of confusution of how workflow would be.
[01:30] <asac> rather incomplete :)
[01:30] <asac> dfarning: jump in if you disagree
[01:31] <dfarning> just following along;)  I've been gone for a while
[01:31] <jhnjwng> do we(or somebody) need to response to bug within 1 hour ?
[01:31] <asac> the idea is to allow people to select tasks as they like ...
[01:33] <asac> we try to categorize bugs in such a way that someone who has the will to help can go to the wiki page, read how he can get a list of bugs that need work which he finds suitable for the time and skills he can contribute
[01:33] <asac> a bug usually runs through the states we currently have in our bug tracker
[01:33] <dfarning> I would like to have a pretty short time for initial response
[01:34] <jhnjwng> Is there a coordinator that will dispatch the new bug to interested person?
[01:35] <asac> actually imo there should be some skilled team members that do the initial screening
[01:35] <jhnjwng> or we all need to look into it .
[01:35] <jhnjwng> that what I mean.
[01:35] <asac> and add tags so people can better see what bugs need what kind and skill of work
[01:35] <jhnjwng> sounds good to me.
[01:35] <asac> the initial categorization is maybe not the place to start for new comers ...
[01:36] <asac> its more the needs info state
[01:36] <asac> and the confirmed state where you can help
[01:36] <asac> the initial bug screener will add additional information to needs info ... currently we have
[01:36] <asac> only definitions for crashers
[01:36] <asac> needreport
[01:36] <asac> retrace (might go away)
[01:36] <asac> traced
[01:37] <asac> needreport is pretty simple ... people should look if the reporter already did submit a proper crash report ... and ping him from time to time
[01:37] <asac> as soon as proper crash report is attached he can set tag to retrace ...
[01:37] <asac> retrace (might go away, as this will hopefully automized)
[01:37] <asac> needs someone to download crash report
[01:38] <asac> and run a retrace on it, so we get a symbolized crash reports, that allows us to take a look what the crash is about
[01:39] <asac> if a bug is traced someone properly more skilled has to take a look if the trace is sufficient for further processing and then try to find duplicates based on the stacktrace
[01:39] <asac> if that is done the bug can go to confirmed state where all the actual bug evaluation and upstream triage will happen
[01:40] <asac> then if we know how to fix it on our own or we submitted upstream ... we go to "in progress" ... and so forth :)
[01:40] <asac> anyway, for bugs other than crashers we still have no procedure
[01:40] <dfarning> Got to go home for dinner I am looking forward to reading the log of this discussion
[01:41] <asac> yeah ... not much left.
[01:41] <asac> :)
[01:41] <asac> jhnjwng: hope that was not too much
[01:41] <asac> :)
[01:41] <jhnjwng> no, asac. thanks for the education.
[01:41] <asac> anyway ... now what you could do :)
[01:42] <asac> if you want to get started to the mechanisms ... you could go through the mozilla-thunderbird bugs
[01:42] <asac> :)
[01:42] <asac> and look for bugs that have a wrong debian upstream bug
[01:42] <asac> there should be quite a good bunch :)
[01:42] <asac> actually its always the same
[01:42] <asac> either the bug is right
[01:43] <asac> or the bug is wrong, because it was cloned upstream
[01:43] <asac> you can easily see this
[01:43] <asac> if we have a bug that has a debian upstream url
[01:43] <asac> and is in state fix released
[01:43] <asac> this is probably wrong
[01:43] <asac> :=
[01:43] <asac> you understood what I mean?
[01:44] <asac> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-thunderbird/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status%3Alist=Unconfirmed&field.status%3Alist=Needs+Info&field.status%3Alist=Confirmed&field.status%3Alist=In+Progress&field.status%3Alist=Fix+Committed&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.owner=&field.status_upstream=only_resolved_upstream&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.h
[01:44] <asac> that list might be the ones
[01:44] <asac> you can do that searc
[01:44] <jhnjwng> let me open it.
[01:44] <asac> by advanced search and then selecting the "bugs that are resolve upstream" radio button in the lower end
[01:46] <asac> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-thunderbird/+bug/49478
[01:46] <asac> thats one example
[01:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 49478 in mozilla-thunderbird "thunderbird warning on installation (breezy)" [Low,Confirmed]
[01:46] <asac> it has a debbugs upstream bug
[01:46] <asac> which is resolved
[01:46] <asac> if you look at the bug
[01:46] <asac> there is a message "Cloned bug xxx as xxxx" somehwere in it
[01:46] <asac> you would have to change the referend bug to the new one
[01:47] <asac> anyway, looks like that there are not so many :/ ... some of the list above are bugzilla bugs... those are properly right ... only debbugs are of interest
[01:47] <asac> :)
[01:48] <asac> there should be 3-4  such bugs
[01:50] <jhnjwng> I see the "cloned .." in debian bug system. so I will start with this one. I will let you know If I have problems.
[01:51] <jhnjwng> thanks again. have to goto dinner and will join a litter bit later.
[01:51] <asac> sure ... thx a lot ... we will definitly come up with more tags with better documentation how to perform that task so if you visit wiki and find something interesting, feel free to go ahead
[01:51] <asac> i will usually read bug mails and if you really do something wrong, I will let you know ... so just go ahead ;)
[01:51] <asac> learning by doing :)
[03:29] <gnomefreak> something needs to be worked out with the list. everytime someone comments on a bug its gonna ask us for aproval?
[03:48] <gnomefreak> hjmf: you have an edgy 64bit chroot?
[03:55] <hjmf> hi
[03:56] <gnomefreak> hi
[03:56] <hjmf> no i'm not, and I'm pretty sure that stacktrace (if you are asking for bug 82601) is notk ok
[03:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82601 in firefox "Firfox shuts down occassionally when switching tabs or to open an URL in a new tab." [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82601
[03:56] <gnomefreak> i think let me look
[03:57] <gnomefreak> that would be the one
[03:57] <hjmf> not sure, I was playing a bit.
[03:57] <gnomefreak> you got the symbols but i didnt think you could run 64bit retraces on 32bit but seeing as you got all symbols its strange to me
[03:58] <hjmf> I'm using the right deps, but on 32bit
[03:58] <gnomefreak> ah
[03:59] <hjmf> As I've said im playing, I'll keep that bug assigned to me until I'll be sure
[03:59] <gnomefreak> ok was just wondering if it was possible ;)
[04:00] <hjmf> Any how I've posted the stacktrace to get your feed back, Just beginnig to learn
[04:00] <hjmf> s/Any how/anyhow
[04:01] <gnomefreak> i have a few other questions for asac so i might ask him to check that stack to make sure its good | that way maybe i wont need another chroot to run 64s
[04:02] <hjmf> please do it :)
[04:02] <gnomefreak> this frigging mailing llist is gonna kill me today
[04:02] <hjmf> I'm leaving that issue for tomorrow (evolution is getting mad today) :(
[04:03] <gnomefreak> you would think you click remind me (of password it would send it to me :(
[04:26] <gnomefreak> i think i won :)
[04:54] <asac> gnomefreak: what?
[04:54] <asac> which stack? :)
[04:54] <asac> hello!
[04:54] <gnomefreak> hi
[04:54] <gnomefreak> ok let me find it
[04:55] <gnomefreak> bug 82601
[04:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82601 in firefox "Firfox shuts down occassionally when switching tabs or to open an URL in a new tab." [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82601
[04:55] <gnomefreak> that stack
[04:56] <gnomefreak> he used 32bit to debug 64bit and it looks good but wanted to cjeck with you
[04:56] <asac> yeah its good
[04:56] <asac> yet another theme switch bug :)
[04:56] <gnomefreak> cool :)
[04:56] <asac> apparently those happen not only if the you explicitly update theme
[04:56] <gnomefreak> asac: im thinking its related to flash
[04:57] <asac> might be that flash triggers restyling more often ... but the stack looks like restyling, aka retheme bug :)
[04:57] <gnomefreak> one of the bugs someone said he changed to flash 9 and it stopped crashing
[04:57] <asac> but if its traced I will take a closer look sure :)
[04:59] <gnomefreak> i will find out what he did to get that trace and try to see if i cant get it to work :)
[05:00] <asac> i don't think we have *no* flash crashes ... but I think that this one is not about flash :)
[05:00] <asac> which is the bug where he told us that using flash 9 fixes it?
[05:00] <asac> i saw that too, but can't remeber the bug number of course :)
[05:00] <gnomefreak> i will look for it tomorrow
[07:15] <asac> lets keep bugs in Needs Info state until we did a dupe hunt and have reviewed the trace (e.g. tag traced), ok?
[08:07] <gnomefreak> k


[07:22] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:18] <Riddell> morning lordievader
[09:18] <Riddell> lordievader: how's the feedback from 14.04?
[09:26] <lordievader> Seems to be running wel for people.
[09:26] <lordievader> :)
[09:30] <Riddell> lovely
[09:31] <lordievader> What is your opinion on the code name Utopic Unicorn?
[09:34] <Riddell> seems like a nice codename
[09:34] <Riddell> scotland's national animal, or so maco says
[09:37] <lordievader> I didn't know that. That's nice.
[10:38] <ScottK> apachelogger's national animal too.
[10:46] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:08] <doctorpepper> hi guys !
[11:12] <doctorpepper> Riddell: is it safe to update to kde 4.13 [ precise ]  with the following packages  kept back : akregator calligra-libs calligrasheets dolphin gir1.2-telepathylogger-0.2 gwenview kaddressbook kde-baseapps   kdepim-kresources kjots kleopatra kmail knode knotes kontact kopete korganizer krita krita-data libcalendarsupport4 libeventviews4 libincidenceeditorsng4  libkdepim4 libkdepimdbusinterfaces4 libkdgantt2-0 libkleo4 libkmanagesieve4 libkolab0
[11:12] <doctorpepper> libkopete4 libkpgp4 libksieve4 libksieveui4 libmailcommon4 libmailimporter4 libmessagecomposer4 libmessagecore4 libmessagelist4 libmessageviewer4 libnepomukcleaner4 libnepomukcore4abi1 libpimcommon4 libsendlater4  libtelepathy-farstream2 libtemplateparser4 marrble marble-plugins nepomuk-core-dev  nepomuk-core-runtime okular okular-extra-backends telepathy-logger
[12:13] <Riddell> doctorpepper_: oh that's kdepim-runtime needs recompiled, I'll set that off now
[12:13] <Riddell> oh and shadeslayer didn't get back to me about the telepathy packages in staging for precise
[12:13] <Riddell> nudge shadeslayer ↑
[12:59] <apachelogger> ScottK: pam-kwallet sru waiting for you btw
[13:12] <ScottK> Maybe tonight.
[13:16] <Riddell> ScottK: also qt fix for saucy and quantal verified in bug 1289600, still waiting on verification in precise, the tester says he can't recreate the problem
[13:38] <Riddell> morning sgclark
[13:38] <sgclark> Riddell: morning :) I am looking at symbols again, it is behaving badly heh
[13:39] <Riddell> sgclark: ach ignore the symbols in backports
[13:39] <Riddell> we know there's no new symbols in it because there isn't in the development series builds, so we don't need to care about backports
[13:39] <Riddell> sgclark: so I say http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.13.0_precise.html is good to test and go
[13:39] <Riddell> doctorpepper_: ↑
[13:40] <doctorpepper_> yes
[13:40] <Riddell> oh but telepathy is the remaining issue
[13:40] <Riddell> where's shadeslayer when you need him?
[13:40] <Riddell> I'll probably just delete the telepathy packages in that PPA
[13:41] <doctorpepper_> ok
[13:42] <doctorpepper_> i have just updated  apt cache  but  i still have the same list  of kept back packages
[13:42] <sgclark> Riddell: ok ignoring
[13:44] <Riddell> doctorpepper_: what does apt-cache policy say is the version of kdepim-runtime?
[13:47] <doctorpepper_> actually  it's a error on my part   i used apt-get upgrade instead of  apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:47] <BluesKaj> doctorpepper_, you can still run dist-upgrade
[13:48] <doctorpepper_> why ?
[13:49] <BluesKaj> doctorpepper_, http://askubuntu.com/questions/194651/why-use-apt-get-upgrade-instead-of-apt-get-dist-upgrade
[14:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I was backporting the packages, but it's far too many things
[14:47] <maco> Riddell: i said what?
[16:07] <dodger> hi
[16:07] <d_ed> hey guys, one of our users dodger has a problem with KTp; they have ktp 0.8.1 and not libkpeople 0.2.2 which is causing problems.
[16:08] <dodger> i'm on trusty, upgraded last week
[16:08] <d_ed> looking at packages.ubuntu.com it seems trusty has versions that work; with 0.8.0
[16:08] <d_ed> so I'm confused how he might have got 0.8.1
[16:10] <Riddell> dodger: you're on 14.04 (trusty)? any PPAs?
[16:11] <dodger> no PPAs - I've tried enabling the backports PPA, but no new version is in there
[16:11] <dodger> i've got pre-released and unsupported updates on in Muon
[16:12] <Riddell> dodger: ah yes pre-release (proposed) has kpeople 0.8.1
[16:12] <Riddell> bug 1313611
[16:13] <dodger> aha
[16:13] <dodger> that explains it then
[16:13] <dodger> i'll try forcing that to 0.8.0
[16:13] <d_ed> Riddell: can I request that you put in libkpeople 0.2.2 before you let this hit trusty.
[16:14] <Riddell> d_ed: yes you can
[16:14] <d_ed> I'm glad we have the proposed PPA. It seems to have done it's job
[16:14] <Riddell> shadeslayer: your doing ↑
[16:14] <d_ed> it's our fault for making a minor release which relies on another minor release.
[16:15] <d_ed> I'll comment on the bug
[16:15] <d_ed> oh you have
[16:15] <d_ed> perfect
[16:15] <Riddell> d_ed: any sign of shadeslayer in today?
[16:15] <doctorpepper> Riddell:  after updating to to kde4.13 stagging   akonadi refuses to start
[16:15] <d_ed> it's a public holiday in Spain
[16:15] <d_ed> (yeah, it's weird)
[16:15] <doctorpepper> here is  the output  of akonadictl start : http://paste.kde.org/p2kw5lgrl
[16:16] <d_ed> and tomorrow we have the neon ISO to deal with
[16:16] <Riddell> d_ed: ah, may day, he's out with the workers
[16:17] <d_ed> yeah, they don't just move it to Monday like a sensible country
[16:17] <Riddell> doctorpepper: pastebin apt-cache policy akonadi-server
[16:19] <doctorpepper> http://paste.kde.org/p2kw5lgrl
[16:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: fixing
[16:21] <shadeslayer> d_ed: you could have just called me D
[16:22] <doctorpepper> Riddell:  any idea
[16:24] <shadeslayer> ScottK: please accept libkpeople
[16:26] <Riddell> doctorpepper: nope :(  working fine for me testing on an ec2
[16:28]  * shadeslayer feels so silly
[16:29] <d_ed> heh, it shows your processes work
[16:29] <shadeslayer> :)
[16:29] <shadeslayer> d_ed: are you at the office?
[16:30] <dodger> you guys are awesome, BTW :)
[16:30] <dodger> thanks a lot for the quick response
[16:31] <d_ed> shadeslayer: yeah
[16:31] <shadeslayer> dodger: well someone needs to accept libkpeople first :P
[16:31] <d_ed> it's just me and Alex.
[16:31] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[16:31] <d_ed> and we're not doing work things
[16:32] <shadeslayer> :D
[16:33] <dodger> still, much appreciated!  hopefully this won't hit many other people
[16:34] <Riddell> doctorpepper: "DATABASE ERROR:" ah so it's a problem with the akonadi upgrade I guess :(  try asking in #kontact
[16:34] <shadeslayer> what's interesting is that I thought I bumped the libkpeople dep
[16:39]  * Riddell out for a bit
[21:23] <Riddell> doctorpepper: any luck?
[21:24] <doctorpepper> Stallmanu: i need some help
[21:24] <doctorpepper> Riddell:   everything went well
[21:25] <doctorpepper> except for one thing  i have  some issues with baloo
[21:26] <Riddell> uh oh
[21:26] <doctorpepper>  it has been indexing for 2h45 min
[21:27] <Riddell> not unusual if you have lots of stuff in your home directory
[21:32] <doctorpepper> well i have around 40G
[21:35] <doctorpepper> plus all my mails (including 2y of fedora and kubuntu mailing list archive 1 y of samba)
[21:53] <Riddell> so it'll take a while
[22:04]  * Riddell publishes http://www.kubuntu.org/news/calligra-2.8.1
[22:04]  * Riddell also publishes http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.13
[22:18] <valorie> weeeee
[22:19] <valorie> I got a few people in #kubuntu and at LFNW asking for those in backports
[22:22] <valorie> also, burning ISOs, I burned about half to an Ubuntu, perhaps 1/3 to Kubuntu, and the remainder to the other flavors
[22:22] <valorie> everything but Mythbuntu and UbuntuKylin I think
[22:22] <valorie> people were jazzed that i had all the isos
[22:23] <valorie> and some told me that even though they wanted Ubuntu, they planned on getting Kubuntu-desktop as well, to at least try it out
[22:25] <dodger> i have to say, this is another rock-solid release
[22:25] <dodger> respect, kubuntu folks :)
[22:27] <valorie> thanks, dodger
[22:27] <valorie> that's been my experience as well
[23:09] <Riddell> valorie: LFNW?
[23:10] <Riddell> dodger: how's telepathy doing with the kpeople update?
[23:15] <valorie> Linuxfest Northwest
[23:15] <valorie> I shared a table (ubuntu-washington) with Debian
[23:15] <valorie> although the deb people only stopped to say hi
[23:16] <valorie> which was sad


[12:11] <marvin24> janimo: care to pull an updated 3.1 ac100 kernel to raring (if time contraints allow)?
[12:11] <marvin24> it's basicly an update to downstream r16r3 kernel with lots of bug fixes
[12:12] <ogra_> there were bugs ?!?
[12:12] <ogra_> evil !
[12:12] <Snark> suspend+resume ?
[12:12] <ogra_> :)
[12:12] <marvin24> maybe better
[12:12] <marvin24> at least for me
[12:13] <marvin24> I tried three times in a row and got no crash
[12:13] <ogra_> nice !
[12:13] <marvin24> but that may differ for others ...
[12:14]  * Snark is worried : he generally is in the "others" category
[12:15] <marvin24> Snark: why don't you just try out my 3.1 branch?
[12:15] <ogra_> then you will surely look forward to getting a chromebook ... and stay in that category :)
[12:16] <Snark> ogra_, the fact that the chromebook only has 16G is... very very annoying
[12:16] <ogra_> it has USB 3.0
[12:17] <janimo> marvin24, I could sponsor it, any chance you can make the package? If not I'll try making time for it next week
[12:17] <Snark> so I can connect it to a big drive, but that is still annoying to need another device
[12:17] <janimo> marvin24, same branch in your gitorious repo?
[12:17] <marvin24> janimo: ok, I can put a package to our repo
[12:17] <marvin24> janimo: yes
[12:20] <marvin24> http://gitorious.org/ac100/marvin24s-kernel/trees/l4t-r16-r2-ac100
[13:57] <drasko> hi all, I'd like to login directly into root console, and supress login prompt. How to do this ?
[14:27] <drasko> hi all. How to enable auto login ? I am looking at /etc/init and i do not know which file to edit
[14:31] <drasko> hi all. How to enable auto login ? I am looking at /etc/init and i do not know which file to edit
[14:33] <ogra_> drasko, answered in #pnadaboard
[15:19] <RoyK> http://efn.no/kodemus/kodemus.html
[15:20] <ogra_> and the translation ?
[15:20] <RoyK> oops
[15:20] <RoyK> wrong channel ;)
[15:20] <ogra_> :)
[15:22] <RoyK> I don't know a translation (yet). it's a shortstory from 1968 about everyone carrying around their electronic computers, their "little brothers" which help them decide what to do
[15:22] <RoyK> effectively controlling everyone
[15:23] <ogra_> haha
[15:23] <ogra_> like star trek ... just worse :)
[15:23] <RoyK> yes, and older
[15:23] <RoyK> 1968 - handheld computers?
[15:24] <ogra_> star trek is from '68 too
[15:24] <ogra_> they had their little flip top communicators and tricorders
[15:24] <RoyK> ok
[22:42] <swex> can somebody help me
[22:43] <swex> please
[22:43] <swex> I don't know why, but my serial console doesn't take input
[22:43] <swex> just output
[22:43] <swex> ubuntu 10.04 freescale mx53
[23:55] <lessent> hi all..


[01:50] <JHOSMAN> I try make a ISO file whit https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TGeE6W9zUfYRIzYQWG6SXLFcl-4axaWJpYBuztDyKXU/edit#heading=h.zfd8yjsjd226 and not boot, the boot running in lecacymode only. I see tthe file in boot is ubuntu/boot/grub/grub.cfg can you help me?
[01:51] <JHOSMAN> The guide is https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_4fDkd9TXQ0nUIL5Q-5W61TKrVpyS32x34GksL1uR8Q/edit?usp=drive_web
[17:23] <jalt> Hi, how can I get preseed/early_command to issue a beep? AFAIK it will be run by casper so I am unsure of what is available that I could use. System beep is preferred, but if somehow the full audio subsystem is available that early, playing a little .wav or .ogg chime would work too. Suggestions?
[17:23] <jalt> btw, it doesn't have to be preseed/early_command - just has to be early enough before any changes happen on the target
[17:24] <jalt> the goal is: beep, sleep 30s, continue
[17:32] <xnox> d-i or ubiquity?
[17:32] <xnox> with acvcess=v3 one can boot into voice guided install.
[17:35] <jalt> i am using ubiquity, but per https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/example-preseed.txt i thought the component was owned by d-i
[17:35] <jalt> i don't need accessibility, just a timer and an audible warning to prevent accidental data loss
[17:36] <xnox> beeps don't prevent data loss =)
[17:37] <jalt> btw xnox, i got a custom fully unattended xubuntu desktop iso-based isohybrid dd'eable image to work yesterday, supposedly with efi support too (but i only tested bios)
[17:38] <jalt> i thought of having a youtube clip of ED-209 to prevent dataloss, but alas, a beep will have to suffice


[01:16] <maelcum> hi! i have a box of kubuntu cds that i want to distribute at my university in a more effective way than just throw them on some tables and hope for the best. any hints?
[01:18] <Burgundavia> maelcum: absolutely
[01:19] <Burgundavia> for cds, remember that they cost money and thus try and give them out to peopel who are useful
[01:19] <Burgundavia> I would print off some pamphlets and leave those out
[01:19] <Burgundavia> whenever you engage somebody in conversation and they seem interested, give them a cd
[01:22] <maelcum> well... i have a whole box and i'm willing to invest about 2 hours at university and about as much at home... and i hate the people standing in your way and handing stuff out to you (happens a lot at my uni), and i'd hate even more to do it myself. it's probably the most effective use of cds, but not of my time :/
[01:23] <maelcum> i develop kde in my spare time, so it's not like i'm slacking off when i'm not distributing cds :)
[01:38] <Admiral_Chicago> the best thing I have found is get people interest in an actual conversation
[01:38] <Admiral_Chicago> and people will ask questions
[01:40] <maelcum> i can do that in some cases... i'll just make sure to always carry some cds with in my backpack ;)
[01:40] <maelcum> s/with/with me/
[01:52] <Admiral_Chicago> thats a good idea as well
[03:10] <beuno> jenda: ping
[03:40] <jenda> beuno: pong!
[03:40] <jenda> beuno: best time to ping me :)
[03:54] <Burgundavia> jenda: can you post the latest uwn to the forums?
[04:09] <Vorian> Burgundavia, I can if you like
[04:38] <Bassetts> hey jenda
[04:42] <beuno> alright, turns out I can't sleep
[04:43] <Bassetts> beuno, late there?
[04:43] <beuno> Bassetts: almost 5am
[04:43] <Bassetts> almost 4 here
[04:46] <Bassetts> I may aswell stay up all night or I will never but up in time for my parcel
[04:47] <beuno> Bassetts: good night then  :D
[04:47] <Bassetts> trying to sleep again beuno ?
[04:47] <Bassetts> night
[04:48] <beuno> Bassetts: no, I'm not sleeping tonight, I have meetings in a few hours
[04:48] <beuno> thought you where
[04:48] <Bassetts> no
[04:49] <Bassetts> If I go to sleep I will not be up for my parcel
[04:51] <beuno> Bassetts: right, we're in the same situation then  :p
[04:51] <Bassetts> beuno, the want to sleep but cannot group?
[04:53] <beuno> absolutely
[05:03] <Bassetts> suppose I could update a few wiki pages
[05:04] <Bassetts> like the one jenda assigned me
[05:07] <beuno> ah, if jenda assigned you something, I would do it as fast as possible, he's a very impacient person...
[05:07] <beuno> er
[05:07] <beuno> r/sents/sets
[05:07] <Bassetts> beuno, heh, trying my best, first project and I always feel I am doing it wrong
[05:08] <beuno> Bassetts: what did you get assigned?
[05:08] <Bassetts> the diy website print page
[05:08] <Bassetts> MarketingTeam/DIYWebsite/Print
[05:08] <beuno> Bassetts: aaaah, cool  :D
[05:08] <beuno> we really want that
[05:08] <Bassetts> beuno, I am struggling
[05:10] <Bassetts> beuno, how do I link to something in the wiki e.g. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=UbuntuLogo.png
[05:11] <beuno> Bassetts: link or show the image in the wiki?
[05:11] <Bassetts> link
[05:12] <Bassetts> all I can get it to do is show it
[05:13] <beuno> Bassetts: something like this:   you can see the [ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=UbuntuLogo.png Ubuntu Logo]  blah blah blah'
[05:13] <Bassetts> ahh
[05:13] <Bassetts> thanks beuno
[05:14] <beuno> np
[05:14] <Bassetts> there doesnt seem to be much stuff suitable for printing
[09:56] <jenda> beuno: :D
[10:05] <Bassetts> hey jenda
[10:05] <Bassetts> I got some more of that wiki page done last night, but theres not as much stuff around as I first though
[10:05] <Bassetts> *thought
[10:19] <jenda> hmm
[10:19] <jenda> heya :)
[10:20] <jenda> (took me a long time to come up with that)
[10:22] <jenda> Bassetts: there's a ton of stuff at diy.devubuntu.com/repo/spreadubuntu
[10:22] <jenda> but for some reason, it's down now :(
[10:22] <jenda> And I'll be awaf for about a week.
[10:22] <jenda> Perhaps you can find out why, for me :)
[10:23] <jenda> The people to talk to are MitchM, the owner of the server and Dan Buch (meatballhat), whom you've already met.
[10:26] <Bassetts> jenda, I will do my best =)
[10:28] <jenda> thanks :)
[10:31] <Bassetts> jenda, any leads on where to find them
[10:35] <jenda> Bassetts: either right here when they come, or...
[10:38] <jenda> by email: mitch kci.net ; meatballhat ubuntu.com
[10:38] <jenda> but probably try meatballhat first
[10:38] <jenda> bah
[10:38] <Bassetts> ok
[10:38] <jenda> Bassetts: nevermind, I just realised I have to write Dan an email anyway.
[10:38] <jenda> So I'll ask :)
[10:39] <Bassetts> okie dokie
[12:01] <jenda> juliux: ping
[12:02] <juliux> jenda, pong
[12:03] <Vorian> jenda juliux, beep
[12:03] <Vorian> :)
[12:03] <juliux> hey Vorian
[12:03] <Vorian> hi
[12:04] <n2diy> ! ubotu
[12:04] <jenda> aai
[12:04] <jenda> juliux: got that contract-thingy anywhere?
[12:04] <n2diy> the bot is ill, hope he recovers soon.
[12:04] <juliux> jenda, which contract-thing?
[12:04] <jenda> juliux: the loco thing? :)
[12:05] <juliux> jenda, which loco one?
[12:05] <jenda> O_o
[12:05] <juliux> jenda, that one that allows us to use the trademarks?
[12:05] <jenda> the contract between the Ubuntu DE association and canonical?
[12:05] <jenda> yep
[12:05] <Vorian> n2diy, the bot is on another freenode server that has split
[12:06] <n2diy> Vorian: so he is on vacation?
[12:06] <Vorian> I wish there was someone on freenode staff around to check that out
[12:06] <juliux> jenda, http://verein.ubuntu-de.org/file/agreement/pdf/
[12:06] <jenda> nah
[12:06] <jenda> juliux: thx
[12:06] <Vorian> n2diy, net split > hasen't re merged
[12:06] <jenda> juliux: nothing there
[12:07] <n2diy> Vorian: gnomefreak in on it.
[12:07] <juliux> jenda, http://verein.ubuntu-de.org/verein/ and then klick on Vereinbarung
[12:07] <jenda> haha
[12:07] <jenda> right
[12:07] <jenda> now I have about 10 .pdfs on my desktop :)
[12:07] <jenda> thx
[12:08] <Vorian> jenda, clarke.freenode.net is where ubotu is ATM\
[12:09] <jenda> Vorian: and...? ;)
[12:09] <Vorian> it's split :(
[12:10] <n2diy> Vorian: why is Ubotu playing with ATM?
[12:10] <Vorian> money
[12:10] <Vorian> he's broke
[12:10] <jenda> juliux: "The Association shall abide by the Ubuntu trademark policy, as written at http://www.ubuntu.com/-
[12:10] <jenda> ubuntu/TrademarkPolicy/. The trademark license contained in this agreement does not give the
[12:10] <jenda> Association or the LoCo Team rights to re-license the Ubuntu trademark in any way.
[12:10] <jenda> "
[12:10] <jenda> Which basically means... the license means nothing at all ;)
[12:11] <n2diy> Vorian: ah, and I thought he was playing with asyc. transfer mode, or something like that? Bad bot!
[12:12] <Vorian> :)
[12:12] <jenda> juliux: if I read right.
[12:12] <juliux> jenda, sorry phone
[12:13] <jenda> np
[12:13] <jenda> sorry, washing dishes, bb in 20 :)
[12:15] <juliux> jenda, we have a licens and that is everything
[12:21] <jenda> juliux: the license states you have to follow the default licence: the trademark policy.
[12:22] <jenda> It's the same licence that applies to anyone. Or isn't it? Is there something the licence allows you to do that others can't?
[12:24] <jenda> Not that I can see.
[12:24] <n2diy> ! Linus :)
[12:31] <n2diy> 73, Good night, and good luck all, brb, in 10 hours.
[12:50] <juliux> jenda, i dont think so
[12:50] <juliux> jenda, but it is a free licence ;)
[12:51] <juliux> brb lunch
[12:51] <jenda> ok
[12:51] <jenda> I read it again, and I really don't get it.
[12:51] <jenda> There is no permission in there.
[12:52] <jenda> To me, it seems it doesn't give you any rights you wouldn't have otherwise.
[12:53] <jenda> juliux: who did you sign this with?
[12:53] <jenda> juliux: I'd like to discuss with them if there's something I don't understand.
[01:30] <beuno> nixternal: hello  :D
[01:31] <beuno> I want to have a small interview with the new MOTUs and core devs for the next UWNs, and it seems you fall under that category!
[01:32] <jenda> yo beuno
[01:33] <jenda> beuno: I'll be gone for 6 days
[01:33] <beuno> hey jenda
[01:33] <jenda> beuno: do try to catch jono in the meantime :) Sorry I won't be of any help till I get back.
[01:33] <beuno> where are you hitchhiking to?
[01:33] <jenda> OTOH, I won't be going to Ukraine in august, which'll give me more time.
[01:33] <jenda> hehe
[01:33] <beuno> jenda: I will email him then with CC to you, so you can follow up  :D
[01:34] <jenda> beuno: dunno, depends where they'll take me :)
[01:34] <jenda> I'm packing up Mr. Lappytums now.
[01:34] <beuno> lol
[01:34] <jenda> actually, the name is Melian :D
[01:34] <beuno> ok, well, have fun  :D
[01:34] <jenda> laters
[01:35] <beuno> jenda: how about "akismet"  :p
[01:53] <juliux> jenda, ask smurf about it
[04:24] <nixternal> beuno: hello
[04:24] <beuno> hey nixternal
[04:25] <nixternal> well hello there
[04:25] <beuno> well hello there too
[04:26] <beuno> did you read ^?
[04:34] <nixternal> some about MOTU
[04:34] <nixternal> something*
[04:34] <beuno> yes, I want to send you a quick interview
[04:34] <beuno> for UWN
[04:34] <beuno> :D
[04:35] <beuno> since you're famous and all now  :p
[04:35] <nixternal> oh, sure go for it..famous nevah!
[04:35] <beuno> I don't have the questions here, but you will have them in your inbox in a while, just wanted to give you the heads up
[04:36] <nixternal> cool
[04:36] <beuno> how's the whole DD thing going?
[04:37] <nixternal> slow right now...but hopefully within the next year
[04:38] <beuno> did you get any packages in yet?
[04:39] <nixternal> got a few now
[04:40] <nixternal> plus the kde-extras stuff for Debian that I help with
[04:40] <beuno> so you're well on your way
[05:02] <elkbuntu> nixternal is famous? ... we're doomed!
[05:02] <nixternal> we have been doomed since day 1
[05:03] <nixternal> ;)
[05:03] <elkbuntu> oh right.. i forgot... i'll rephrase
[05:03] <elkbuntu> we're doomed even more!
[05:08] <elkbuntu> http://www.wayodd.com/funny-pictures2/funny-pictures-huge-burger-F27.jpg <-- not as doomed as whoever eats that though!
[05:11] <elkbuntu> nixternal, ^^
[05:13] <nixternal> holy smokes
[05:14] <elkbuntu> yeah
[05:14] <elkbuntu> i'm betting that's even more than the 30000 calorie sandwich
[05:15] <nixternal> hehe
[05:16] <nixternal> there is a restaurant just north of Chicago that serves a 5 pound burger, that thing is huge, and people actually try to eat it
[05:16] <elkbuntu> lol
[05:16] <nixternal> one of the guys I weight lift with, ate it and won $500 for finishing it in 30 minutes
[05:17] <nixternal> I couldn't get through half of it
[05:17] <elkbuntu> http://www.nanbelegorn.com/sandwich/
[05:17] <elkbuntu> 5 pound of food in 30 minutes? ugh
[05:17] <nixternal> I couldn't eat that in a day
[05:18] <nixternal> damn, guess I should quit eating fried mushrooms
[05:18] <elkbuntu> lol
[05:18] <nixternal> they are one of my staple foods though :)
[05:18] <elkbuntu> ugh... mushrooms are yuck
[05:18] <nixternal> never
[05:18] <elkbuntu> as are things that are supposed to reside in the insides of animals
[05:18] <nixternal> I try to eat half a pound a day...good source of nutrition
[05:19] <elkbuntu> not when they're fried they're not
[05:19] <elkbuntu> unless cholesterol is a nutrient in your country :
[05:19] <nixternal> hehe, well I tend to eat them raw, but every now and then, them little jerks get thrown in a tub of bubbling oil :)
[05:20] <nixternal> actually, considering the junk I eat, I can't believe my cholesterol is good
[05:20] <nixternal> I mix junk with protein shakes, vitamins, supplements, and good organic food
[05:21] <nixternal> I can't do the total weight lifting diet thing, I am not all that disciplined just yet :)
[05:21] <elkbuntu> hehe... the mere smell of mushroom makes me nauseous.
[05:21] <nixternal> come on, I live in Chicago, it is a must that you eat Polish Sausage, Hot Dogs, Gyros, and Pizza
[05:22] <elkbuntu> i live in australia and i only eat sausages and steak under duress
[05:22] <nixternal> mmmm
[05:22] <nixternal> steak
[05:22] <elkbuntu> it ranks slightly higher than sausage
[05:23] <nixternal> lol
[05:23] <nixternal> it ranks #2, only behind lobster or crab for me
[05:23] <elkbuntu> im not a red meat type of girl. seafood, chicken and pork for me kthx
[05:24] <elkbuntu> and we are waaaaaaay offtopic for this channel
[05:24] <nixternal> I can't do pork, but the rest I can
[05:24] <nixternal> elkbuntu: any topic in this channel is good though :)
[05:24] <nixternal> since it is always so quiet
[05:25] <elkbuntu> lol, good point. mdke isnt here to whip us back on topic anymore
[05:25] <nixternal> nope, mdke is to busy being whipped by the new wife
[05:25] <nixternal> oops, did I say that out loud?
[05:25] <elkbuntu> so, why not pork?
[05:25] <elkbuntu> lol
[05:26] <nixternal> never been a fan of an animal that rolls around where it does
[05:26] <elkbuntu> um... but you're fine with seafood?
[05:28] <nixternal> ya, the salt water cleans it out :)
[05:29] <elkbuntu> hahaha. nice try
[05:29] <nixternal> pork has a texture that doesn't agree with me really
[05:29] <nixternal> I will eat a pork chop every now and then though, as I can deal with it and actually enjoy it
[05:30] <nixternal> but ham I can't
[05:31] <elkbuntu> that makes a difference, yes. i'll happily eat beef in a stew or stirfry, but struggle with it as a steak
[05:31] <elkbuntu> lamb likewise
[05:32] <nixternal> orly...lamb I really enjoy, but that could be due to being previously married to greek woman
[05:32] <nixternal> and possibly one day married again to that same greek woman :)
[05:33] <nixternal> she made me eat stuff I wouldn't ever imagine, and I enjoyed it
[05:33] <elkbuntu> hehe
[05:33] <nixternal> like eggplant, my lord that is good stuff
[05:33] <elkbuntu> if cooked properly, yeah
[05:35] <nixternal> true, I couldn't do it raw I don't think
[05:35] <elkbuntu> steamed it is gross too
[05:36] <nixternal> I have never tried it steemed
[05:37] <elkbuntu> i dont recommend it
[05:39] <nixternal> hehe
[05:56] <elkbuntu> if im just going through toothpastefordinner.com archives, i think it's probably time for bed
[07:27] <dee> hello
[07:28] <dee> We (German Ubuntu News team) have send a email to the mailing list ubuntu-marketing-submissions. Unfortunately nobody has answered since.
[07:28] <dee> it is possible to receive an answer?
[07:48] <beuno> dee: I don't see any admins around, but I'll spread the word  :D
[07:49] <dee> beuno: thanks.
[07:49] <dee> you won't guess what's the topic of the mail: "better communication between Ubuntu Marketing and German-News-Team". ;)
[07:51] <beuno> dee: aaaw... the irony....
[07:52] <dee> yes... kinda funny
[07:52] <dee> or kinda sad... matter of view point
[07:54] <beuno> dee: actually, why was that not sent to the plain marketing list?
[07:57] <dee> beuno: was ist the first time.
[07:58] <dee> but because the list is closed the mails stops on teh server and an admin needs to forward it.
[07:58] <dee> some user (need to take a look at the logs) said I should send it again.
[07:58] <dee> and then I have seen the suggestion-mailing list.
[07:58] <beuno> dee: you can just subscribe and your emails will go straight through
[07:59] <beuno> but for discussions, the ubuntu-marketing is the list
[07:59] <beuno> the other is to send stories
[07:59] <dee> yes I know. but I don't want to subscribe because I do not want to discuss something there.
[07:59] <dee> I have thought it's possible to mail it directly
[08:00] <beuno> dee: then how will you participate in the discussion if you don't subscribe?
[08:00] <dee> beuno: ehrm no... I haven't thought that there must be a big discussion between the whole community. :(
[08:02] <beuno> dee: not discussion in a bad sense, just "conversation", a conversation
[08:02] <beuno> if you forward your email to me, I'll make sure it gets into the mailing list  :D
[08:05] <dee> nah, it's okay. I suppose I must subscribe... I can delete my subscription afterwards
[08:05] <beuno> dee: yes, and also, email filters are your friend  :p
[08:08] <n2diy> how much traffic does the discussion list generate?
[08:10] <beuno> n2diy: the regular one maybe has an average of 6 or 7 emails per week
[08:10] <dee> so, mail is send.
[08:10] <dee> eh, sent... I think.
[08:11] <n2diy> beuno, ok, I get more junk mail per day than that.
[08:11] <beuno> n2diy: absolutely
[08:11] <dee> ah, damn
[08:12] <beuno> dee: did you send to ubuntu-marketing?
[08:12] <dee> yes
[08:12] <dee> but forget that I first must confirm my subscription. :(
[08:12] <dee> so I will send it again
[08:12] <beuno> heh
[08:12] <beuno> :D
[08:13] <dee> so, now... finally....
[08:14] <dee> (I don't know if this phrase exists in English)
[08:14] <beuno> dee: got it  :D
[08:14] <dee> great
[08:15] <dee> so have a nice evening (or morning/day/night) :)
[08:16] <beuno> dee: thanks for the input
[08:18] <dee> no problem
[08:49] <ITDirect> hi guys, starting a shop in ZA promoting open source
[08:49] <beuno> hello ITDirect
[08:50] <ITDirect> hi there
[08:50] <beuno> promoting open source is always good, what can we help you with?
[08:50] <ITDirect> well,  need some ideas
[08:50] <ITDirect> how to go about
[08:50] <ITDirect> doing this
[08:51] <ITDirect> getting people to move from what they know to the unknown
[08:51] <beuno> ITDirect: I believe the best way to get as many ideas as possible is to send an email to the mailing list, that way you can access a lot more people then who's randomly looking in the channel
[08:52] <ITDirect> where do i mail it, to get the best responce
[08:54] <beuno> ITDirect: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[08:56] <ITDirect> thanks doing so as we speak
[08:56] <ITDirect> you from?
[08:57] <beuno> I'm from Argentina
[08:59] <ITDirect> been on irc #ubuntu 4 long?
[09:00] <ITDirect> want to gather a few geeks in ZA to come and join my launch for the shop, know any?
[09:01] <beuno> ITDirect: I don't hang out in #ubuntu specifically, but I do in over a dozend *ubuntu channels  :D   and, yes, well, I've been here for maybe year and a half
[09:01] <beuno> ITDirect: just Mark Shuttleworth  :p
[09:01] <ITDirect> maybe i should get him 2 come, know his screen name:-X
[09:01] <ITDirect> ?
[09:03] <beuno> ITDirect: maybe, but I'm not sure he's up for it, maybe send him an email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:06] <ITDirect> wil do that
[09:07] <ITDirect> want to make a ubuntu install with all the apps we like and also know, for install on these retail machines, customised install
[09:08] <ITDirect> any idea
[09:08] <ITDirect> ?
[09:08] <ITDirect> so we can do better support