[00:00] <dantti> lol
[00:00] <apachelogger> dantti: where was const missing?
[00:01] <dantti> apachelogger: all around but the code still not work...
[00:01] <apachelogger> Oo
[00:01] <dantti> the array has the values but as QBAlist vanishes I think the copy vanishes too then..
[00:01] <apachelogger>             request = ippNewDefaultRequest(values.take("printer-name").toString(), isClass, operation);
[00:01] <apachelogger> that line is still missing a toUtf8 :P
[00:03] <dantti> apachelogger: it's not, ippNew... is not from cups
[00:03] <apachelogger> I do not understand :P
[00:03] <apachelogger> can you please put a toUtf8 there :P
[00:04] <apachelogger> also please commit and push and tell me what to do to test
[00:04] <dantti> apachelogger: ok now it works
[00:04] <apachelogger> lol
[00:04] <apachelogger> :P
[00:04] <apachelogger> don't forget my copyright :P
[00:05] <dantti> the copy flag must be for something else, the qba list is more "global" now, so it several qstringlist goes there oh
[00:05] <dantti> no it will be fine the list is just for not deleting the items....
[00:05] <apachelogger> what list?
[00:06] <apachelogger> the qbalist?
[00:06] <apachelogger> please commit and push :P
[00:06] <apachelogger> and need to look at this
[00:06] <dantti> http://privatepaste.com/e955dd497a
[00:06] <apachelogger> ohhhhhhhh
[00:07] <apachelogger> dantti: maybe the copy only happens at cupsDoRequest?
[00:07] <dantti> apachelogger: maybe...
[00:07] <dantti> apachelogger: what's your copyright line?
[00:07] <apachelogger> Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:08] <apachelogger> the QBA should be fine eitherway, it will go out of scope after the request (while scoped)
[00:08] <apachelogger> dantti: mind that you will still need to delete the char **
[00:08] <dantti> apachelogger: oh
[00:08] <apachelogger> or commit and push and let me do it ;)
[00:08]  * apachelogger fancies doing that :)
[00:09] <dantti> apachelogger: please pull
[00:11] <apachelogger> dantti: mind if I remove the commented code?
[00:11] <dantti> apachelogger: no,
[00:11] <dantti> we just need valgrind to tell us it does not leak :P
[00:17] <apachelogger_> dantti: how can I test it still works?
[00:18] <dantti> apachelogger: make install then plasmaengineexplorer --engine printmanager
[00:18] <dantti> ask for AllJobs
[00:18] <dantti> if you have any
[00:19] <apachelogger> why?     qbaList->reserve(qbaList->size() + list.size());
[00:20] <apachelogger> dantti: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/03/08/plasma-desktopeu2263.png
[00:20] <dantti> apachelogger: because we are on a loop, so the next qstringlist  might need more space
[00:21] <apachelogger> yeah
[00:21] <apachelogger> I moved the QBA elsewhere :P
[00:21] <apachelogger> into the loop
[00:21] <apachelogger> turns out dorequest seems to do the copy
[00:21] <apachelogger> so we are fine
[00:21] <dantti> apachelogger: right, do you agree with me about the reserve part?
[00:22] <dantti> apachelogger: you have all data on that screenshot :)
[00:22] <apachelogger> oh
[00:22] <apachelogger> actually you are right
[00:22] <apachelogger> you have too many loops there :O
[00:24] <apachelogger> this is flawd then
[00:24] <apachelogger> dantti: we'd also need to grow the char** accordingly
[00:24] <dantti> apachelogger: no, you only pass one char **
[00:25] <apachelogger> but inside         while (i != values.constEnd()) {
[00:25] <apachelogger> I have no idea what values can contain
[00:25] <apachelogger> but if case QStringList can be true more than once we have a problem
[00:25] <dantti> like I have a QStringList of the attributes I was and a QStringList of something else, I'll ippAddStrings() two times with different char** list
[00:26] <apachelogger> yes, but they do not get copied until doRequest
[00:26] <apachelogger> so if you want to do it that you always pass different char** we'd still have to put them in a list
[00:27] <apachelogger> and then delete all char ** inside the list
[00:27] <apachelogger> otherwise we leak
[00:27] <dantti> apachelogger: hmm
[00:27] <dantti> right we need a list of char ** too :/
[00:27] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/435104/
[00:27] <apachelogger> dantti: we should just make that a vector though
[00:29] <dantti> apachelogger: what if instead of new char * we just do char[list.size() +1]?
[00:30] <dantti> apachelogger: that way it get's deleted when out of scope no?
[00:30] <dantti> that could work still
[00:30] <apachelogger> where would you put that?
[00:30] <apachelogger> the only way this would work is if it were the same scope as qbalist
[00:31] <apachelogger> at which point we still have one char** and thus cannot process multiple qstringlists
[00:32] <dantti> apachelogger: I'd put inside qstringtoChar**()
[00:32] <dantti> or even pass it to your function...
[00:33] <apachelogger> yes but then it has too little scope
[00:33] <apachelogger> considering cups only copies the strings at doRequest it is likely that it only iterates the pointer at this point
[00:33] <apachelogger> by that time we'd have no pointer anymore though
[00:33] <apachelogger> so I fear storing them is the only solution
[00:35] <dantti> apachelogger: it copies the strings not the char**
[00:35] <apachelogger> yes but to access the strings it needs the char **
[00:35] <dantti> apachelogger: it goes one by one (actually I don't even think we need the +1 and \0...
[00:35] <apachelogger> (the strings are at arbitrary locations in the memory
[00:35] <apachelogger> )
[00:35] <dantti> apachelogger: that's what the QBAlist is for
[00:36] <apachelogger> yes but cups cannot access it
[00:36] <apachelogger> cups only has the char ** address
[00:36] <apachelogger> so it tries values[0] values[1] values[2] ....
[00:36] <dantti> apachelogger: cups do att[1].text = values[i];
[00:36] <dantti> in a loop
[00:36] <apachelogger> that is what I am saying
[00:36] <dantti> so we can delete values**
[00:36] <apachelogger> values is not valid memory anymore!
[00:36] <dantti> not the values
[00:37] <apachelogger> values ** is values for cups!
[00:37] <dantti> just the array
[00:37] <dantti> no it has copied the values on the list
[00:37] <apachelogger> but only at doRequest
[00:37] <dantti> not a deep copy
[00:37] <dantti> just a reference
[00:37] <apachelogger> man this cups is crap
[00:37] <dantti> yup
[00:37] <dantti> printd++
[00:38] <dantti> apachelogger: try that or push so I can give it a try
[00:39] <apachelogger> so
[00:39] <apachelogger> doing
[00:39] <apachelogger> for (int i = 0; i < list.size(); ++i) {
[00:39] <apachelogger>                         values[i] = 0;
[00:39] <apachelogger>                     }
[00:39] <apachelogger>                     delete values;
[00:39] <apachelogger> right after the addStrings should work?
[00:40] <dantti> apachelogger: http://privatepaste.com/bd04fa9ced
[00:40] <dantti> apachelogger: yes
[00:40] <dantti> apachelogger: shouldn't it be delete [] values;
[00:41]  * dantti is a bit lost on the pointers :P
[00:41] <apachelogger> too late to answer that question
[00:41] <apachelogger> wouldn't delete [] delete the content?
[00:41] <apachelogger> i.e. our QBA data
[00:41]  * apachelogger would totally use malloc :P
[00:42] <apachelogger> dantti: perhaps you are right
[00:42] <dantti> apachelogger: dunno :P
[00:42] <apachelogger> valgrind will know ;)
[00:43] <dantti> apachelogger: it's funny that _cupsStrAlloc() is called when we do ippAddStrings()
[00:45] <dantti> apachelogger: hmm it seems that the IPP_TAG_COPY actually does not copy
[00:45] <dantti> not having that would copy....
[00:46] <dantti> the COPY would then mean we are passing a copy....
[00:46] <apachelogger> Oo
[00:46] <apachelogger> wth?
[00:46] <apachelogger> is there documentation for cups?
[00:47] <dantti> apachelogger: look at line 543 from my last paste
[00:47] <dantti> apachelogger: there is..
[00:48] <apachelogger> funny documentation ^^
[00:48] <dantti> http://www.cups.org/documentation.php/api-httpipp.html#ippAddStrings    and http://www.cups.org/documentation.php/api-httpipp.html#ipp_tag_e
[00:48] <apachelogger>       if ((int)type & IPP_TAG_COPY)
[00:48] <apachelogger>         value->string.text = (char *)values[i];
[00:48] <dantti> apachelogger: that's the source code :P
[00:49] <apachelogger> that looks like an immediate deep copy to me?
[00:49] <apachelogger> eh
[00:49] <apachelogger> 1st level deep copy ^^
[00:49] <apachelogger> so we can throw the values away
[00:49] <apachelogger> that is a good thing
[00:49] <dantti> wouldn't that be faster?
[00:50] <dantti> tho using the qbaList might do the opposite...
[00:51] <apachelogger> hm?
[00:51] <apachelogger> opposite?
[00:51] <apachelogger> it's just fine
[00:51] <apachelogger> inside the do-while we create a QBAList
[00:51] <apachelogger> inside we stuff all our QBAs
[00:51] <dantti> apachelogger: don't you think it's better to have cups allocating that? so we don't have to worry about QBAList growing... & friends
[00:51] <apachelogger> temporarily we have a char ** to carry data from the QBAs to ippaddstrings
[00:52] <apachelogger> that function 1st level copies the string addresses
[00:52] <apachelogger> dantti: oh
[00:52] <apachelogger> ohhhh
[00:52] <apachelogger> I didn't read beyond that line ^^
[00:52] <apachelogger> lol
[00:52] <dantti> lol
[00:53] <apachelogger> dantti: yeah, so dropping the COPY flag should make deep copies
[00:53] <dantti> apachelogger: yup :)
[00:53] <apachelogger> lemme fiddle the code accordingly
[00:53] <dantti> apachelogger: dunno why gnomies did that :P
[00:54] <dantti> apachelogger: I guess we will still need the qdbaList or we qstrdup then delete them...
[00:54] <apachelogger> qstrdup is no option
[00:54] <apachelogger> we need the qbalist
[00:54] <dantti> lol
[00:54] <apachelogger> but with smaller scope
[00:55] <apachelogger> qstrdup would mandate 2 string copies
[00:55] <dantti> right
[00:55] <apachelogger> once from qstring -> QBA and a second time from QBA -> qstrdup
[00:55] <apachelogger> which is why we introduced that list to begin with ;)
[00:56] <apachelogger> it still works for me
[00:56] <dantti> cool
[00:56] <apachelogger> dantti: it is delete [] btw
[00:57] <apachelogger> since we new an array we need to delete one
[00:57] <apachelogger> obviously ;)
[00:57] <dantti> :)
[00:58] <dantti> I have a bunch of QLatin1Strings() change to push too :P
[00:59] <dantti> apachelogger: it would be awesome if cups emited a DBus signal when new jobs arive...
[00:59] <apachelogger> oh yes, you should use way more QLatin1String :)
[01:00] <dantti> at the time of the writting I didn't know about them....
[01:00] <apachelogger> dantti: you can't always get what you want :)
[01:00] <apachelogger> dantti: well, while you are at introducing QL1S, also do QStringBuilder :)
[01:00] <dantti> unfourtunatly
[01:00] <apachelogger> way too few people use that bugger
[01:00] <apachelogger> dantti: push'd btw
[01:00] <dantti> bugger?
[01:00] <dantti> cool
[01:01] <apachelogger> the QStringBuilder
[01:01]  * apachelogger makes breakfast now
[01:01] <apachelogger> eggs in the basket muhahaha
[01:01] <dantti> I don't see that class in the assistent
[01:01] <dantti> breakfast?
[01:02] <dantti> I though you were on the US?
[01:03] <apachelogger> more like EU
[01:03] <apachelogger> 2:03 here
[01:03] <apachelogger> perfect breakfast time ^^
[01:04] <apachelogger> dantti: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/qstring.html#more-efficient-string-construction
[01:04] <apachelogger> also http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/06/13/string-concatenation-with-qstringbuilder/
[01:04] <dantti> lol.... 10pm here...
[01:04] <dantti> dinner time
[01:05] <dantti> apachelogger: the % huh? I tried but that doesn't compile...
[01:11] <apachelogger> included qstringbuilder?
[01:14] <dantti> apachelogger: :P no
[01:26] <dantti> apachelogger: thanks, valgrind is happy now :D
[01:26] <apachelogger> wohoo
[01:27] <dantti> apachelogger: btw pushed a few  qstringBuilder changes
[01:28]  * apachelogger asks the kind launchpad to import the repo so he can kickoff a new snapshot
[01:29]  * dantti kquits-plasma desktop to have it not leaking
[01:29] <dantti> now I can start writting the colord kcm
[01:31] <apachelogger> first release that stuff :P
[01:32] <dantti> lol /me and my never released stuff :P
[01:32] <apachelogger> https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+recipe/print-manager-snapshot
[01:32] <apachelogger> oh, so you need forcing, great :P
[01:33] <dantti> debconf-kde needs a new release, Apper needs to leave playground, p-m too, colord needs to .... well start working :P
[01:35] <apachelogger> oh
[01:35] <apachelogger> dantti:     qbaList->reserve(qbaList->size() + list.size());
[01:35] <apachelogger> you might want to drop that first part
[01:35] <dantti> sure, we don't need that now :D
[01:35]  * apachelogger heads to bed
[01:35] <apachelogger> nini
[01:36] <dantti> o weird
[01:36] <micahg> dantti: if colord has bugs, tell RAOF
[01:36] <dantti> micahg: what is RAOF?
[01:36] <dantti> apachelogger: I can't cancel a jobs :P
[01:36] <micahg> dantti: RAOF is an ubuntu-desktopper
[01:36] <apachelogger> dantti: u broke it
[01:37] <dantti> micahg: it's not colord that has problems it is that the kded module I'm writting doesn't do all the needed stuff yet...
[01:37] <apachelogger> dantti: also if you did not have 3 loops the code might be lest prone to fall apart :P
[01:37] <dantti> so colord does not work was more like colord-kde doesn't work yet
[01:38] <dantti> apachelogger: lol... well I can take suggestions...
[01:38] <apachelogger> split it up into functions
[01:38] <apachelogger> for example
[01:39] <dantti> apachelogger: right I should do that (at least the do while loop could be in a function loop)
[01:40] <dantti> apachelogger: hmm I probably broke something else, the core is still working,, maybe my qstringbuilder stuff broke it...
[01:40] <apachelogger> just when I rolled a new snapshot :P
[01:40] <apachelogger> but really I am off now :P
[01:41] <dantti> hehe
[01:42] <dantti> apachelogger: fixed
[03:25] <ScottK> yofel: Y U No Upload?
[03:33] <ScottK> kde-runtime binaries accepted.
[03:36] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: How goes?
[03:36] <ScottK> Feel free to upload some KDE 4.8.1 from bzr.
[03:37] <JontheEchidna> pretty well
[03:38] <ScottK> AIUI https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packagin is up to date if you want to grab something.  Just make sure to use the .xz tarballs.
[03:39]  * ScottK does libksane
[03:47]  * JontheEchidna grabs analtiza
[03:47] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I've already stared that one.
[03:47] <JontheEchidna> k
[03:47] <ScottK> Can you pick another.  Sorry.
[03:47] <JontheEchidna> anybody touched smoke stuff?
[03:47] <ScottK> Nope.
[03:48] <ScottK> debfx: kactivities is now in the Kubuntu packageset.  It took a manual override from cjwatson.
[03:49] <ScottK> OK.  That's done too.
[03:50] <ScottK> That's probably about it for me for tonight.
[03:53] <CIA-42> [smokegen] Jonathan Thomas<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu1
[03:56] <CIA-42> [smokeqt] Jonathan Thomas<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu1
[04:09] <rbelem> apachelogger, the initial code is here https://gitorious.org/copyright-tools/copyright-tools
[04:09] <rbelem> :-)
[04:10] <rbelem> apachelogger, lots of stuff needs to be done
[04:10] <rbelem> i will compile a todo list
[07:06] <brestows> hi give me address repository for test kde 4.8.1
[07:26] <Tm_T> brestows1: for oneiric?
[07:57] <brestows> yes
[08:08] <Tm_T> brestows: it's in kubuntu-backports ppa
[08:09] <brestows> ok
[08:09] <brestows> update
[08:25] <bulldog98> guys why do you upload stuff with version 4:4.8.1a-something ???
[08:25] <bulldog98> why the a there wasn’t any public version of it, so why not just dropping the a?
[08:28] <Riddell> bulldog98: that means upstream made a tar which we put in kubuntu-ninjas
[08:28] <Riddell> and then make a new tar so we had to update it in kubuntu-ninjas with a new version number
[08:28] <Riddell> we could drop the a for the upload to the ubuntu archive
[08:28] <Riddell> but that would mess up anyone who tested on kubuntu-ninjas
[08:29] <bulldog98> Riddell: that’s right, but isn’t there a better solution?
[08:29] <Riddell> 4:4.8.1a-something is inelegant but not problematic
[08:29] <Riddell> 4:4.8.1-something is more elegant but problematic for our testers
[08:30] <Riddell> and it is a good idea to not annoy the testers, we do depend on them :)
[08:30] <bulldog98> sound’s like a plan :)
[08:31] <jussi> is there an alternative to "ubuntu-bug" that goes to b.k.o?`ie, something that collects all the files, reports and uploads them? then directs to the website and filing?
[08:31] <Riddell> jussi: drkonqi
[08:31] <Riddell> but otherwise no
[08:32] <jussi> Riddell: so I can run "drkonqi <package>" ?
[08:32] <Riddell> no you can copy and paste from drkonqi
[08:32] <Riddell> dario might be receptive to ideas but actually integrating it with bugzilla needs a lot of coordination between sysadmins, bugzilla hackers and drkonqi (dario)
[08:32] <jussi> oh well thats annoying. perhaps we should create somethign like that?
[08:33] <Riddell> there's a reason why Mark hired a team to make his own bug tracker, integration with a badly maintained project is hard
[08:33] <jussi> hrrr
[08:33] <jussi> see.... we need to get KDE to use LP :P
[08:33] <Riddell> bugzilla is hardly a priority for mozilla,I don't know where their millions do get spent but it's not on a bug tracker
[08:34] <Riddell> and KDE doesn't seem keen to switch to open source launchpad
[08:34] <jussi> we should take up a bribe fund ;)
[08:35] <jussi> switch to LP and we will give you lots of money :D
[08:36] <Riddell> I fear KDE isn't likely to expect lots of money from canonical any time soon
[08:36] <Riddell> but that's fine, alternatives for kubuntu are becoming apparant
[08:37] <jussi> hrm?
[08:37]  * Riddell flies off to Schipol
[08:38] <jussi> Riddell: have fun, thats one of the best airports in the world
[08:39] <jussi> (only city I actually enjoyed was amsterdam - I generally hate cities)
[08:54] <brestows> Riddell: hi
[08:55] <brestows> I add rep, run update, afte update version kde remained 4.7.1
[10:47] <allee> FYI: there's a datalos bug in 11.10 4.8 after 4.8.1.  https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=295484  I'll try if I can reproduce in precise
[11:30] <debfx> ScottK: why some KDE packages need an override but others like libreoffice are in the packageset will always be a mystery to me.
[11:41] <bulldog98> apachelogger: Ariya is the right pic to have for ksplash
[11:55] <rbelem> Riddell, i got sponsorship :-D \o/
[12:00] <ScottK> debfx: There is an algorithm (which I don't understand) based on rdepends and being seeded.  Stuff like kdelibs is broadly used by so many things (e.g. ubiquity) that the algorithm lands it in core.  The same happened with kactivities.  LO, OTOH, doesn't have so many rdepends so it doesn't make it to core and ends up in Kubuntu and Desktop package sets.
[12:02] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:11] <tazz> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/extras/talk.google.com/ubuntu-dev# hanging out with holbach
[12:18] <ScottK> tazz: Chatting on G+ with people that aren't involved in Kubuntu development is at least slightly random relative to the channel topic.
[12:18] <tazz> ScottK, ah sorry, i thought the dev stuff and internals were similar.
[12:18] <tazz> my apologies.
[12:19] <ScottK> tazz: Not a big deal.
[12:19]  * ScottK looks at smokekde
[14:32] <brestows> when used class   KUniqueApplication  in konsole show warning message - "QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave"  How this correct
[14:32] <brestows> Hi
[14:40] <BluesKaj> brestows,  I've seen that warning before, haven't had any misbehaviour so far.
[14:41] <Riddell> jussi: if you hate cities you've clearly never been to edinburgh :)
[14:41] <Riddell> hi brestows
[14:41] <brestows> BluesKaj: if used Qdbus,  it does not always work
[14:41] <Riddell> rbelem: great
[14:41] <jussi> hehe
[14:42] <BluesKaj> which app brestows ?
[14:43] <brestows> Riddell:  after update on ubuntu 11.10 always crash Muon
[14:44] <BluesKaj> nevermind brestows , I've only used dbus when ssh'd into another pc
[14:44] <BluesKaj> qdbus isn't in my knowledgebase
[14:45] <brestows> BluesKaj: I write app :) whitch use dbus connection and it don't work :( on qt 4.8
[14:46] <BluesKaj> brestows, right , I think :)
[14:46] <brestows> right , I think
[14:46] <BluesKaj> BBL
[14:53] <apachelogger> bulldog98: seriously?
[14:53] <apachelogger> bulldog98: says who?
[14:54] <bulldog98> apachelogger: at least debian has the same stuff in it
[14:54] <bulldog98> eshat
[14:54] <apachelogger> Oo
[14:54] <apachelogger> the tarball has ariya
[14:54] <apachelogger> so *every* distro has it for ksplash
[14:54] <apachelogger> that does not mean it is what was intended by the artists
[14:56] <apachelogger> dantti: new snapshot building
[14:57] <dantti> apachelogger: did you pull?
[14:57] <apachelogger> why?
[14:57] <dantti> apachelogger: I've fixed a bug in configure dialog
[14:57] <apachelogger> last import was 1hr ago
[14:57] <apachelogger> https://code.launchpad.net/~neon/print-manager/master
[14:57] <dantti> ok, it's probably in :D
[14:58] <apachelogger> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~neon/print-manager/master/revision/237
[14:58] <apachelogger> yah
[14:58] <dantti> since I fixed a few hours after you went to bed
[14:58] <Riddell> brestows: after updating to KDE SC 4.8.1?
[15:00] <brestows> Riddell: no :( I add rep that you given, did update system, version kde  remained 4.7.1
[15:02] <apachelogger> bulldog98: what is eshat working on?
[15:02] <Riddell> brestows: then it is unclear what has been upgraded
[15:02] <bulldog98> apachelogger: oxygen
[15:02] <apachelogger> curious
[15:02] <apachelogger> so why is there this other thing/
[15:02] <apachelogger> ?
[15:02] <apachelogger> the simple gradient
[15:03] <brestows> Riddell: could just put a standard  update?
[15:03] <Riddell> maybe yes
[15:05] <bulldog98> apachelogger: eshat said something about that that repro would be outdated
[15:05] <apachelogger> nice
[15:06] <apachelogger> bulldog98: you might want to propose that upstream starts using the outdated version then, because an ad-hoc vote amongst kubuntu-devel subscribers suggest ariya splashes give people vertigo
[15:07] <apachelogger> nixternal: feel free to use the fluffy-unicorn package to pick up where you left :P
[15:07] <apachelogger> rbelem: gitorious? :S
[15:07] <bulldog98> apachelogger: isn’t your voice more worth, than mine?
[15:07] <rbelem> apachelogger, :-D
[15:08] <apachelogger> bulldog98: you speak on behalf of the kubuntu-devel subscribers, I'd say their combined voice is worth more than any single one ;)
[15:08] <apachelogger> rbelem: can't that move to github or git.kde or fdo if at all sensible
[15:09] <rbelem> apachelogger, i think github is ok
[15:09] <apachelogger> rbelem: depends on whether you expect a lot of contributions from people who have a kde dev account
[15:09] <rbelem> apachelogger, what is fdo?
[15:09] <apachelogger> in which case git.kde makes more sense TBH
[15:09] <apachelogger> freedesktop.org
[15:10] <rbelem> ah!
[15:10] <brestows> Riddell: download update from kubuntu-ninja ppa, after install write about result
[15:12] <rbelem> apachelogger, hum... but git.kde is not for kde only stuff?
[15:14] <rbelem> apachelogger, fdo seems to be nice
[15:14] <Mamarok> rbelem: nice is a bold statement for fbo...
[15:15] <rbelem> :-D
[15:16] <rbelem> Mamarok, i never used fdo services
[15:16] <Mamarok> apparently KDE 4.8.1 is dripping in very slowly, I still only see part of the packages since yesterday
[15:17] <Mamarok> rbelem: git.kde.org depends on the project you want to host
[15:17] <apachelogger> rbelem: there is kdesupport
[15:17] <Mamarok> if it is somehow related to KDE it definitely is the place
[15:18] <apachelogger> rbelem: mind that fewer people have an fdo account
[15:18] <apachelogger> so from where I am standing you'd either go to github or git.kde
[15:18] <apachelogger> fdo is a right hassle
[15:20] <rbelem> Mamarok, the project is a copyright scanner for source code. It will generate spdx and dep5 outputs
[15:20] <Mamarok> sounds like quite appropriate for git.kde.org
[15:20] <apachelogger> oh oh oh
[15:20] <apachelogger> or linuxfoundation
[15:21] <apachelogger> they also host crap like that
[15:21] <rbelem> apachelogger, github seems to be more agnostic
[15:21] <rbelem> :-D
[15:21] <apachelogger> ABI compat checker comes to mind
[15:21] <rbelem> apachelogger, they already host another tool that does a similar job, fossology
[15:21] <apachelogger> rbelem: IMHO agnosticness is not a concern, from where you expect/want contributions is what matters ;)
[15:22] <rbelem> apachelogger, hum... that's true
[15:22] <apachelogger> kde hosts like 30000 audio players ;)
[15:22] <rbelem> fossology is written in c and php
[15:23] <apachelogger> Oo
[15:23] <apachelogger> eh
[15:23] <apachelogger> Oo
[15:23] <rbelem> and needs rdbms
[15:23] <apachelogger> :O
[15:23] <apachelogger> :@
[15:23] <apachelogger> -.-
[15:23] <apachelogger> /o\
[15:23] <apachelogger> WTH
[15:23] <rbelem> hahaha :-D
[15:24] <rbelem> apachelogger, Mamarok, you convinced me to move to kde :-)
[15:24] <apachelogger> you know what we should do.... port ubiquity to ruby, but have it generate code for python, then have python generate C which we compile just in time and then we use some auto language binding generator to tie it with Qt
[15:24] <apachelogger> the results we then store in mysql so that we can avoid the overhead
[15:25] <apachelogger> my sequel is the new xml
[15:25] <rbelem> o.O
[15:25] <apachelogger> on an unrelated matter
[15:25] <apachelogger> friends! stop disturbing me :P
[15:26] <apachelogger> bulldog98: did you propose the change in background yet?
[15:26] <rbelem> apachelogger, i think that for this time kind of project python is good
[15:26] <bulldog98> apachelogger: no, because I don’t know where to propose
[15:26] <rbelem> s/time//
[15:26] <kubotu> rbelem meant: "apachelogger, i think that for this  kind of project python is good"
[15:27] <apachelogger> rbelem: at least put some C and my sequel in there
[15:28] <apachelogger> otherwise it has too few deps :P
[15:28] <apachelogger> bulldog98: #oxygen?
[15:28] <rbelem> apachelogger, it will have python-nltk as dependency
[15:28] <apachelogger> bulldog98: propose it to nuno, he surely will agree and command everyone to make it happen ;)
[15:28] <rbelem> :-D
[15:29] <apachelogger> !find qmlviewer
[15:37] <apachelogger> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-default-settings/kubuntu-default-settings/revision/472
[15:37] <BluesKaj> BBL
[15:44] <apachelogger> someone broke something
[15:44] <apachelogger> gwenview doesn't tell me the color depth of a png anymore
[15:45] <agateau> apachelogger: did it ever tell you such things?
[15:45] <Mamarok> apachelogger: BTW, could you backport the new Phonon and phonon-backend versions to Oeniric, please?
[15:45] <apachelogger> only yesterday
[15:45] <apachelogger> then I upgraded
[15:45] <apachelogger> today it stopped doing it
[15:45] <apachelogger> Mamarok: yofel or bulldog98 could, I do not touch phonon in ubuntu
[15:45] <Mamarok> OK
[15:54] <apachelogger> dantti: so
[15:54] <apachelogger> dantti: we'll do smoke testing for print-manager
[15:54] <dantti> apachelogger: what's that?
[15:54] <apachelogger> users testing the software according to test cases
[15:55] <dantti> apachelogger: right nice
[16:04] <BluesKaj> Mamarok,  I'm using the vlc backend with success , it even does DD and DTS thru spdif with dragonplayer which gstreamer doesn't do ..extra stage but it's still passthru just the same
[16:05] <BluesKaj> of course one needs the pulse pavucontrol setup options to do so .
[16:10] <apachelogger> dantti: http://community.kde.org/Phonon/QA that is a more complete test suite I use for releaeses
[16:11] <apachelogger> if you need some inspiration ;)
[16:11] <apachelogger>   Number of text strings: 1 of 9
[16:11] <apachelogger>     Software (xTXt deflate compressed): Adobe ImageReady
[16:12] <apachelogger> I love how ubuntu artwork is created using proprietary software
[16:15] <Riddell> that's a longstanding issue with the design team
[16:17] <Mamarok> BluesKaj: I know, I use that one as well :)
[16:28] <yofel> o/
[16:28]  * yofel goes back to uploading
[16:30] <yofel> could someone upload blinken and cantor to universe please?
[16:31] <BluesKaj> Mamarok, I'm still not a pulseaudio fan , but now most pci soundcards require it, unfortunately . I just wish the alsa devs would have worked harder to link alsa with flash/webaudio without needing pulse as the soundserver.
[16:33] <tsimpson> Adobe could have chosen to use ALSA if they wanted, OSS is/was just simpler to implement
[16:39] <BluesKaj> tsimpson,  flash worked ok on webaudio without pulse on the onboard nvidia soundcard, but not so with the pci m-audio.
[17:31] <bulldog98> apachelogger, Riddell: have a look at my first mockup: scratch/kolberg/ubiquity-mockup
[17:31] <bulldog98> it’s a kde git repro
[17:32]  * bulldog98 is off untill ~23 a clock
[18:19] <CIA-42> [kubuntu-default-settings] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* (11 files in 2 dirs) Align plymouth theme with Ariya (using different splash image as we and upstream agree that the stripes are terrible for anything but wallpaper)
[18:19] <apachelogger> if anyone cares to test this .... a package for precise should arrive in kubuntu experimental within the hour
[18:21] <yofel> \o/
[18:21] <yofel> apachelogger: what about kdm btw? Ariya or splash background?
[18:21] <apachelogger> splash
[18:21] <yofel> good
[18:21] <apachelogger> but bulldog98 is supposed to get a solution upstream for .2
[18:21] <apachelogger> if they don't wanna we should push it eitherway
[18:23] <apachelogger> ah, ok, packages will only be there in 5 hours
[18:23] <apachelogger> <3 lunchpad
[18:24] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/plymouth-theme-kubuntu-logo_12.04ubuntu4_amd64.deb
[18:24] <apachelogger> why is that arch dependent btw :O
[18:26] <Tm_T> apachelogger: because enterprise
[18:27] <CIA-42> [kubuntu-default-settings] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/ (changelog control) Make plymouth-theme-kubuntu-logo arch all. It only contains scripts and images
[18:45] <yofel> I've uploaded what I can - a MOTU needs to take care of what's marked as UNIVERSE on the wiki
[18:48]  * ScottK will have a look.
[18:48] <ScottK> yofel: Thanks.
[18:48] <yofel> I'll poke cjwatson about konsole, got dropped from the packageset somehow
[18:53] <CIA-42> [kubuntu-default-settings] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* usr-share-kde4/apps/ksplash/Themes/Kubuntu/images/dot-active.png use drop shadow dot from plymouth
[18:54] <apachelogger> iff the ati driver wasn't so utter rubbish this would even look very sweet
[18:56] <CIA-42> [kubuntu-default-settings] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* usr-share-kde4/apps/ksplash/Themes/Kubuntu/main.qml until upstream fixes their splash background we'll use the background img from plymouth
[19:01] <CIA-42> [kubuntu-default-settings] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* usr-share-kde4/apps/ksplash/Themes/Kubuntu/main.qml to avoid introduction of a circular dep from kds to plymouth, we simply drop to the default wallpaper (ariya) in case the plymouth background could not be loaded
[19:08]  * apachelogger wonders why he cannot test kubuntu-text anymore -.-
[19:32] <Riddell> yofel: how's 4.8.1 doing?  ready for a story on kubuntu.org ?
[19:34]  * Riddell braves a dist-upgrade
[19:36] <yofel> pretty much ready, backports done, and almost everything uploaded
[19:36] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/konsole] Philip Muškovac * 26 * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu1
[19:37] <Riddell> lovely, many thanks for that yofel
[19:40] <sheytan> apachelogger: Y do  u read my mind?
[19:42] <apachelogger> sheytan: oh, I do?
[19:42] <apachelogger> I am terribly sorry for that :P
[19:42] <sheytan> apachelogger: yep. Just saw the plymouth you linked
[19:42] <sheytan> who made that?
[19:43] <apachelogger> eshat, that was the original proposal for wallpaper
[19:43] <sheytan> ah
[19:44] <apachelogger> also everything but the wallpaper itself should look like that, only the wallpaper should have stripes
[19:44] <sheytan> i just imagined same thing :D
[19:44] <apachelogger> somewhere in KDE that got miscoordinated
[19:44] <apachelogger> bulldog98 is going to get it fixed though
[19:44] <sheytan> good
[19:44] <sheytan> btw
[19:44] <sheytan> my vision was with kubuntu logo
[19:44] <sheytan> a gray one
[19:44] <sheytan> with a inverted shadow
[19:44] <sheytan> that look like a hole
[19:45] <sheytan> but just the logo, without 'kubuntu' text
[19:47] <apachelogger> mine too
[19:47] <apachelogger> but I am no good with gimp
[19:47] <apachelogger> I constaly loose windows :P
[19:48] <sheytan> hahahah  :D
[19:48] <sheytan> good one
[19:48] <sheytan> if I make one, will you add it right after to see the effect?
[19:58]  * ScottK is doing blinken
[20:04] <ScottK> yofel: If konsole fixed so you can upload or do you need me to?
[20:04]  * ScottK looks at cantor in the mean time.
[20:04] <yofel> ScottK: it's uploaded
[20:05] <ScottK> Excellent.  Thanks.
[20:16] <apachelogger> sheytan: sure
[20:16] <sheytan> apachelogger: almost there
[20:19] <ScottK> yofel: What's the ksecrets plan?
[20:19]  * ScottK looks at kiten
[20:19] <yofel> experimental ppa, I think it still doesn't work right. Need to talk to upstream
[20:20] <ScottK> OK.  Not uploading then.
[20:23] <sheytan> apachelogger: http://www.sendspace.com/file/hjphmr
[20:23] <sheytan> put the logo in the middle but a bit to the top
[20:23] <sheytan> dots down the logo
[20:24] <sheytan> apachelogger: btw, can i have the background iamge
[20:24] <sheytan> ?
[20:24] <apachelogger> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-default-settings/kubuntu-default-settings/download/apachelogger%40ubuntu.com-20120308181906-3gmaw2l63lowftz5/background.png-20120308181752-3w9v38go1p8a6e6t-1/background.png
[20:25] <apachelogger> you can put the logo right into the image I suppose
[20:25] <apachelogger> for this release anyway
[20:25] <apachelogger> so you better throw me a gimp xcf or something
[20:26] <ScottK> Please be sure then to stuff the xcf in the source somewhere so we are distributing the preferred form of modification.
[20:26] <apachelogger> no, screw that, I am workign on ubuntu, round here we use proprietary formats
[20:26] <apachelogger> woohooooo
[20:27]  * apachelogger had too much coke oh gosh
[20:28] <ScottK> apachelogger: Maybe some alcohol to calm you down.
[20:28] <apachelogger> n/a
[20:28] <apachelogger> story of my life
[20:28]  * ScottK thought alcohol was always applicable.
[20:29] <ScottK> How inconvenient.
[20:29] <ScottK> It turns out I didn't get the upload notification because I got distracted and didn't upload it.
[20:29] <ScottK> I guess I can't quite blame LP for everything.
[20:31] <apachelogger> well...
[20:31] <apachelogger> if lunchpad was cooler you could have done it in lunchpad making the need for upload disappear completely
[20:34] <apachelogger> sheytan:
[20:35] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/03/08/plasma-desktopnL1993.png
[20:35] <apachelogger> doesn't quite work
[20:35] <yofel> make the logo larger and put it center?
[20:35] <yofel> that's at least symmetric
[20:36] <sheytan> yofel larger no
[20:36] <sheytan> smaller
[20:36] <apachelogger> well, neverminding the symetrics
[20:36] <sheytan> apachelogger: loogs quite good
[20:36] <apachelogger> it looks crappy
[20:36] <apachelogger> it doesn't integrate with the background
[20:36] <sheytan> ok, logo half that
[20:36] <sheytan> and will be great
[20:36] <apachelogger> sec, earlier I saw something that goes like what I imagine it should look like
[20:37] <sheytan> what was it ;d
[20:37] <apachelogger> sheytan: http://www.flickr.com/photos/75591578@N05/6794627320/in/pool-1880694@N24/
[20:37] <apachelogger> it should look like it is engraved into the background
[20:38] <sheytan> this is hard to make looking good with kubuntu logo or i am weak in inkscape :)
[20:38] <sheytan> will ask nuno
[20:38] <sheytan> i love that background
[20:38] <sheytan> with little holes
[20:39] <apachelogger> sheytan: do it in gimp
[20:39] <apachelogger> as I said for this release it doesn't matter
[20:39] <sheytan> apachelogger: in gimp it looks crappy
[20:39] <apachelogger> we can only ship one png
[20:40] <sheytan> i got an idea
[20:40] <sheytan> give me 5 minutes
[20:40] <ScottK> yofel: Would you please update the wiki for konsole.
[20:40] <yofel> oh right
[20:40]  * ScottK starts on korundum
[20:41] <yofel> done
[20:45] <sheytan> apachelogger: i need  the background file
[20:46] <apachelogger> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-default-settings/kubuntu-default-settings/download/apachelogger%40ubuntu.com-20120308181906-3gmaw2l63lowftz5/background.png-20120308181752-3w9v38go1p8a6e6t-1/background.png
[20:46] <apachelogger> unless you need svg, then you should talk to eshat
[20:46] <sheytan> apachelogger: what about screens with bigger size?
[20:46] <apachelogger> scaled up
[20:47] <sheytan> this will look crappy
[20:47] <apachelogger> we cannot effort much here, this image is put into the boot image
[20:47] <apachelogger> the bigger this image is the longer the boot takes
[20:48] <sheytan> lol
[20:48] <sheytan> really?
[20:48] <apachelogger> yes
[20:48] <apachelogger> there is no other way to do it
[20:48] <sheytan> lets just leave it gray  :D
[20:48] <sheytan> no backgroun
[20:48] <apachelogger> the boot image is the first thing that is loaded
[20:48] <apachelogger> spooky
[20:49] <apachelogger> sheytan: either way I need a logo that looks engraved ;)
[20:49] <apachelogger> whether we want the background or simply gray is something that can be changed up to release really
[20:49] <ScottK> Has to be 3D with spinning logo.
[20:50] <apachelogger> well
[20:50] <apachelogger> SVG could do that :P
[20:50] <apachelogger> actually
[20:50] <apachelogger> maybe plymouth supports svg
[20:50] <apachelogger> that would be 3000000x more sensible
[20:51] <ScottK> Now for perlkde
[20:51] <apachelogger> doesn't look like it :(
[20:51] <sheytan> we can fade the image on each side and put gray background behind it
[20:52] <apachelogger> sheytan: can you make a mockup, I do not understand
[20:53] <sheytan> apachelogger: on each side of  the 800x600 background i can make it fade to transparency.
[20:53] <apachelogger> also plymouth does not understand svg, which I find mind nummingly stupid considering that calculating an SVG is probably loads faster than loading a big arse png
[20:53] <apachelogger> sheytan: well, give it a try
[20:58] <ScottK> apachelogger should be happy.
[20:58] <ScottK> Doing qtruby now.
[20:58] <apachelogger> \o/
[20:59] <sheytan> apachelogger: http://www.sendspace.com/file/bm2b0h
[21:00] <apachelogger> better
[21:00] <yofel> that doesn't match the glossyness of kdm... I kinda like it though
[21:00] <apachelogger> not perfect though
[21:01] <apachelogger> sheytan: why is it 800x600?
[21:01] <sheytan> apachelogger: you send me such
[21:01] <apachelogger> no
[21:02] <apachelogger> oh
[21:02] <apachelogger> eh
[21:02] <apachelogger> wth
[21:02] <apachelogger> Oo
[21:02] <sheytan> you did it.
[21:02] <apachelogger> why is that 800x600
[21:02] <sheytan> that's why i asked about
[21:02] <apachelogger> Oo
[21:03] <sheytan> didn't you tell me that bigger size = longer boot?
[21:03] <apachelogger> yes
[21:03] <apachelogger> but I thought it was 1200xsomething
[21:03] <sheytan> it wasn't
[21:03] <apachelogger> well
[21:03] <apachelogger> curious though
[21:03] <sheytan> lets try with this first
[21:03] <apachelogger> without the logo it scales just fine then ;)
[21:03] <sheytan> to see how it looks
[21:03] <apachelogger> I did not realize it wasn't 1200 all this time ^^
[21:03] <sheytan> too much cola
[21:04] <sheytan> give me that bigger one :)
[21:05] <apachelogger> sheytan: http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/trunk/KDE/kde-base-artwork/ksplashx-themes/default/1920x1200/background.png
[21:05] <apachelogger> actually 800x600 makes more sense
[21:05] <apachelogger> considering it scales well
[21:05] <apachelogger> and my screen has a resolution of 1920x1080 at boot
[21:05] <apachelogger> so I think we should not put the logo on the background
[21:05] <apachelogger> that would mess with scaling
[21:06] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/03/08/plasma-desktopVY1993.png
[21:06] <apachelogger> as I said, it's better, not perfect
[21:06] <apachelogger> still not quite engraved enough :)
[21:06] <sheytan> apachelogger: can we put he logo as a separate file? I could make one with a stone texture
[21:06] <sheytan> taht will fit
[21:06] <apachelogger> sheytan: btw, how about loosing the circle?
[21:06] <ScottK> And now .... last but not least .... kfloppy
[21:07] <apachelogger> it looks kind aweird IMHO
[21:07] <apachelogger> sheytan: yes we can, also it makes more sense seing as I used 800x600
[21:07] <sheytan> yeah
[21:07] <sheytan> so
[21:07] <apachelogger> also you can make different versions for different resolutions so it looks good (if necessary)
[21:07] <sheytan> with or without circle?
[21:07] <apachelogger> I'd do without circle
[21:07] <sheytan> sure
[21:08] <apachelogger> when the logo looks properly engraved
[21:08] <apachelogger> without circle will look a lot better
[21:08] <sheytan> more resolutions isn't needed. It will be always the same size
[21:08] <apachelogger> also I think right now the circle is distrubing the engraved ness
[21:08] <apachelogger> sheytan: you might want to make the logo thicker on high resolutions though
[21:09] <apachelogger> otherwise it might be too small
[21:09]  * apachelogger tends to think that the dots are almost too small at 1920x1080
[21:09] <ScottK> yofel: All uploaded AFAICT.
[21:09] <yofel> \o/
[21:09] <ScottK> Thanks for leading the packaging effort.
[21:10] <ScottK> Riddell: 4.8.1 is all uploaded now, so it can definitely be announced (the universe stuff is still building)
[21:11] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Were you working on arm* symbols for qtwebkit-source?
[21:15] <Riddell> ScottK: shall I put it on kubuntu.org?
[21:15] <ScottK> Riddell: I think so.
[21:16] <apachelogger> sheytan: whenever you are ready, I have the code for separate logo ready
[21:16] <sheytan> apachelogger: http://www.sendspace.com/file/d3aden
[21:17] <apachelogger> this will look odd :P
[21:19] <sheytan> apachelogger:
[21:19] <sheytan> http://www.sendspace.com/file/uqwnqw
[21:19] <sheytan> try this
[21:20] <apachelogger> will still look odd
[21:20] <sheytan> show me
[21:20] <Riddell> kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.8.1  how's that?
[21:20] <apachelogger> I tell you, engraved is the only good thing with this kind of background :P
[21:24] <apachelogger> sheytan: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/03/08/plasma-desktopkr1993.png
[21:33] <BluesKaj> hey gents , til my sata cables arrive , I have to use a USB connection for an WD 1TB external drive I just setup ...what's the best File System to use for storing and retrieving files , FAT32, extX or ...?
[21:36] <sheytan> apachelogger: http://www.sendspace.com/file/acl96q
[21:37] <apachelogger> oh yes
[21:37] <apachelogger> strong drop shadow though
[21:37] <apachelogger> and the gear IMHO should have a dark gray rather than a light one
[21:37] <apachelogger> s/strong/stronger/g
[21:37] <kubotu> apachelogger: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[21:38] <sheytan> i think it should be lighter :)
[21:38] <sheytan> can i see it?
[21:38] <apachelogger> gotta change my script again
[21:38] <apachelogger> unless you give me just the logo :P
[21:39] <sheytan> i won't
[21:39] <sheytan> it's a part of image
[21:39] <apachelogger> but we need it as separate thing
[21:39] <apachelogger> or we run into scaling issues
[21:40] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/03/08/plasma-desktophi1993.png
[21:40] <apachelogger> I thnk that is a step into the right direction
[21:40] <apachelogger> what do others think?
[21:41] <apachelogger> well, it's good enough for testing
[21:41] <apachelogger> sheytan: can you please try a version with stronger drop shadow
[21:41] <sheytan> apachelogger: could you try without the logo and wit ha little text down to dots "starting up"
[21:41] <sheytan> ?
[21:41] <apachelogger> and one with stronger drop shadow and darker gray for the logo
[21:41] <sheytan> stronger looks bad
[21:41] <apachelogger> sheytan: text is a no-go unfortunately
[21:42] <apachelogger> we have no means to localize that
[21:42] <sheytan> ah
[21:42] <sheytan> it still isin't perfect :D
[21:42] <apachelogger> sheytan: just let me try
[21:42] <sheytan> ok
[21:42] <apachelogger> see what people think
[21:42] <apachelogger> but I think this is the direction we should be heading
[21:45] <sheytan> apachelogger: i must have a sleep with it. I will come up with a good solution for the logo
[21:46] <yofel> apachelogger: hm, doesn't look too bad
[21:46] <apachelogger> a bit too big spacing between logo and dots, generally speaking
[21:47] <apachelogger> sheytan: do you have to go to bed now or do I get my darker/stronger versions first? :)
[21:49] <sheytan> apachelogger: http://www.sendspace.com/file/u5n2kb
[21:51] <apachelogger> sheytan: does that have a stronger drop shaddow?
[21:51] <sheytan> a bit
[21:51] <apachelogger> try a bit more maybe
[21:51] <apachelogger> also please move the logo a bit down
[21:52] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/03/08/plasma-desktopBE5164.png
[21:52] <apachelogger> half the space between logo and dots
[21:54] <sheytan> i would make a non engraved version
[21:54] <apachelogger> feel free to, we'll just send the best versions to kubuntu-devel and have people decide what to use
[21:55] <sheytan> sure
[21:55] <apachelogger> sheytan: oh, here is an idea
[21:56] <apachelogger> try the dot color for the ground of the logo
[21:56] <apachelogger> that is a bit lighter than what it is in the last version
[21:56] <apachelogger> + a bit darker/stronger drop shadow
[21:56] <apachelogger> + move it down a bit :)
[21:57] <apachelogger> rbelem: did you ever get a desing for the uds app?
[21:58] <sheytan> apachelogger: well, what about using the kicker logo background with a kubuntu gear instead of K?
[21:58] <sheytan> that would fit nicly too
[22:00] <apachelogger> kicker?
[22:01] <sheytan> kmenu :D
[22:01] <yofel> that's kickoff
[22:02] <apachelogger> that has a background?
[22:02] <apachelogger> sheytan: whatever you think makes sense, but first I'd like to get my requested alteration ;)
[22:03] <sheytan> sec ;d
[22:03] <apachelogger> hm
[22:03] <apachelogger> isn't bug 948664 qapt noawayds?
[22:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ^
[22:03] <apachelogger> oh
[22:04] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: !
[22:04] <apachelogger> u here?
[22:04] <apachelogger> Oo
[22:05] <yofel> is it?
[22:06] <apachelogger> I think we outsourced it
[22:06] <apachelogger> well
[22:06] <apachelogger> depends on what you assume the issue is
[22:06] <apachelogger> qapt not finding the symbol
[22:06] <apachelogger> debug installer not realizing that it can't find any
[22:09] <sheytan> apachelogger: http://www.sendspace.com/filegroup/%2BI4sh65zfntReSrxWwBwJA
[22:10] <apachelogger> sheytan: did you move it down a bit?
[22:10] <sheytan> damn, nope
[22:10] <sheytan> sec
[22:11] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/03/08/plasma-desktopae5164.png
[22:11] <apachelogger> sheytan: aren't you kubuntu member?
[22:11] <sheytan> apachelogger: nope
[22:11] <apachelogger> Oo
[22:12] <apachelogger> omg
[22:12] <apachelogger> you shoudl apply
[22:12] <apachelogger> you get hosting space on people.ubuntu.com then ;)
[22:12] <apachelogger> and an email addy
[22:12] <sheytan> i wanted to but i don't remember how it ends
[22:12] <sheytan> no, that blue logo sucks
[22:12] <sheytan> see? i'm already getting bad ideas
[22:12] <sheytan> need sleep :D
[22:13] <apachelogger> first gimme the drop shadow stuff moved a bit down
[22:13] <apachelogger> because I think that version could be the best engraved yet
[22:14] <apachelogger> perhaps a bit too dark
[22:14] <apachelogger> but other than that....
[22:16] <apachelogger> or we make the dots darker
[22:16] <apachelogger> might also be a good idea
[22:16] <sheytan> http://www.sendspace.com/file/fhc22k
[22:18] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/03/08/plasma-desktopfE5164.png
[22:18] <apachelogger> let me pimp the dot color real quick
[22:19] <sheytan> still dont like it :D
[22:22] <apachelogger> you'll have to deal with that :P
[22:22] <sheytan> nope
[22:22] <sheytan> i will create a new one :D
[22:22] <sheytan> till i get the best
[22:22] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/03/08/plasma-desktopU22248.png
[22:23] <apachelogger> sheytan: we have limited tim at hand :)
[22:23] <apachelogger> yofel: ^
[22:23] <sheytan> dont worry :D
[22:24] <dantti> sheytan: can I suggest a change? what about the gear on the cernter, remove the dots and make the carved part with a white color in it (meaning the progress)
[22:24] <yofel> I could live with that - how does that look during plymouth->kdm->ksplash->plasma?
[22:24] <dantti> sheytan: not very white, just a little lighter
[22:24] <apachelogger> dantti: too intrusive for precise
[22:24] <apachelogger> that'd require exessive code changes
[22:25] <dantti> apachelogger: isn't that just images?
[22:25]  * dantti has no idea how these things works...
[22:25] <apachelogger> full images of the logo to indicate progress sounds like a waste of space
[22:26] <dantti> apachelogger: well the gear has only 3 parts..
[22:26] <apachelogger> so you'd have 6 images one for on and for off for each
[22:26] <apachelogger> and those would then need to be positioned
[22:27] <apachelogger> dantti: yes but it is busy indication not progress indication
[22:27] <dantti> well it's just an idea (/me tired of these dots)
[22:27] <apachelogger> so you need each of the parts in white and in colored
[22:27] <apachelogger> dantti: yes, I thought of it and I think it is a good idea
[22:27] <apachelogger> just not for precise
[22:27] <apachelogger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/553386
[22:27] <dantti> ok I really don't understand the internals..
[22:27] <apachelogger> FWIW
[22:28] <apachelogger> the dots are crap anyway
[22:28] <sheytan> apachelogger
[22:28] <sheytan> just give me time :)
[22:28] <apachelogger> dantti: oh, you mean only color one part at a time?
[22:28] <yofel> circular would even look nice with the gear
[22:28] <dantti> apachelogger: yup
[22:28] <apachelogger> sheytan: time is what we do not have ;)
[22:28] <sheytan> the background is ofcourse not required, right?
[22:28] <sheytan> 2 days max
[22:28] <apachelogger> dantti: hm, that could work, not sure how good it looks though
[22:29] <apachelogger> sheytan: you've got one ;)
[22:29] <sheytan> okej
[22:29] <dantti> apachelogger: well in a nice gradient it could look nice...
[22:29] <apachelogger> sheytan: nope, but it would be nice ot have (background)
[22:29] <apachelogger> continuity of artwork etc.
[22:29] <sheytan> i want a little gradient for background, and i have replacement for dots :)
[22:29] <sheytan> in my head ofc
[22:35] <sheytan> ok
[22:35] <sheytan> gtg
[22:35] <sheytan> bye
[22:39]  * apachelogger wonders how to get the logo out of the background
[22:39] <apachelogger> sheytan: nini
[22:40] <apachelogger> well
[22:40] <apachelogger> testing packages should be in kubuntue experimental by now
[22:40] <apachelogger> for precise
[22:40] <apachelogger> please go test drive
[22:42] <yofel> currently building
[22:45] <apachelogger> slow ol lunchpad
[22:45] <apachelogger> <3
[22:49] <Riddell> gosh ubuntu forums just as frustrated at canonical sysadmins as us serial-coder.co.uk/blog/2012/03/an-open-letter-to-the-ubuntu-community/
[23:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/bootariya.mp4 what say you?


[00:15] <mup> Bug #1735952 changed: traceback reporting <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1735952>
[00:24] <mup> Bug #1735952 opened: traceback reporting <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1735952>
[05:05] <atdprhs_> hi, is there anyone active today?
[18:32] <bdx> atdprhs: have you filed a bug about your issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas ?
[18:33] <bdx> atdprhs_: ^ can be more productive posting on here
[18:34] <bdx> make sure you include lots of detail - all of the components of your setup/environment/configuration are very pertinent
[19:58] <mup> Bug #1736022 opened: failed to start machine 2/lxd/0 (failed to bridge devices: bridge activaction error: bridge activation failed: Killed old client process <juju> <juju:New> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1736022>
[21:38] <heyya> Can someone shed some light on deploying a custom windows image(sysprep) with MAAS?
[21:38] <heyya> Primarily, what type of image do I use?  I am accustomed to using Ghost
[21:43] <heyya> is there a tool I should be using?


[12:56] <jagdeep> hi everyone ,I need little help when i run google-chromium through terminal i get message :"Segmentation fault",what it means and why it does not run.
[13:29] <mhall119> jagdeep: unfortunately this isn't a support channel
[13:29] <mhall119> #ubuntu is the official support channel
[13:30] <mhall119> this one is used for teaching sessions
[16:57]  * jcastro taps the mic
[16:57] <jcastro> hello everyone!
[17:01] <jcastro> ok welcome everyone
[17:01] <jcastro> we'll start in a few minutes
[17:01] <jcastro> this is the weekly Q+A with people at Ubuntu
[17:02] <jcastro> this week we have Allison Randall, the Ubuntu Architect.
[17:03] <jcastro> wendar: why not introduce yourself while we sort this bot business. :)
[17:03] <wendar> Hi everyone!
[17:08] <jcastro> wendar: ok so can you start off with what you do for Ubuntu?
[17:08] <jcastro> perhaps what you're working on right now?
[17:10] <wendar> There's kind of two sides for that, since I've been involved and interested in a Ubuntu for a number of years.
[17:11] <wendar> One side is my community volunteer hat, and another side is what I do at Canonical.
[17:11] <wendar> For Canonical, I'm the technical architect, which means I help them make good technical decisions in how they contribute to Ubuntu.
[17:13] <wendar> But I also do general packaging work, bug work, advocacy, etc.
[17:13] <wendar> In the Oneiric cycle, some of my projects are:
[17:15] <wendar> - Finding out how people work with bugs (all the different ways across different teams), and working together with the BugSquad and others to figure out if there are any improvements we can make, or good ideas from some teams that other teams can share.
[17:16] <wendar> - Planning and contributing in the dev work needed for the transitions from Python 2.6->2.7, 3.1->3.2, and generally 2.x->3.x.
[17:18] <wendar> - There are some existing (partial) tools for helping Locos make localized CDs, I'm helping out with polishing those up for general use.
[17:19] <wendar> - I'm on the Application Review Board, which reviews and approves lightweight applications for Ubuntu. We're looking for new members now, and working on making the process easier for developers.
[17:20] <wendar> - I'm part of the DEX project, where we work on minimizing the diff between Ubuntu and Debian, by contributing our fixes in Ubuntu back upstream to Debian.
[17:21] <jcastro> (ok so we're supposed to start in 10 minutes)
[17:21] <jcastro> I went to early, so we're going to pause the session
[17:21] <jcastro> and then wait 10 minutes, then we'll start (and go through all this real quick)
[17:21] <jcastro> sorry for the inconveniance
[17:22] <wendar> ah, cool, coffee break :)
[17:30] <jcastro> ok
[17:30] <jcastro> we'll give it another minute for the last minute stragglers
[17:31] <jcastro> ok welcome everyone to the weekly Q+A - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WeeklyQandA
[17:31] <jcastro> In the Ubuntu project transparency is always important to us. To this end we are holding weekly Q+A sessions with different leaders in the community. This provides an excellent opportunity to get clarity on some questions you have.
[17:31] <jcastro> this week we have Allison Randall, the Ubuntu Architect and from the application review board.
[17:32] <jcastro> ok wendar, please introduce yourself and take it away!
[17:32] <wendar> Hi all!
[17:33] <ClassBot> Logs for this session will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/06/03/%23ubuntu-classroom.html following the conclusion of the session.
[17:33] <wendar> A summary: I'm both a community volunteer for Ubuntu, and work at Canonical.
[17:34] <wendar> At Canonical I work as technical architect, where I help them make smart technical decisions in how they contribute to Ubuntu.
[17:34] <wendar> I'm really enjoying having my paid work and my volunteer work so well aligned.
[17:35] <wendar> For most of my career, I've had a handful of free software projects I'm working on at any given time, and do something quite different in my "day job". :)
[17:35] <wendar> Some things I'm working on that might be interesting to talk about:
[17:35] <wendar> - Bug workflows
[17:35] <wendar> - Python transitions
[17:36] <wendar> - Application Review Board
[17:36] <wendar> - DEX (Debian/Ubuntu collaboration project)
[17:36] <wendar> - Tools for Locos to make localized CDs
[17:39] <jcastro> ok, does anyone have any questions so far?
[17:39] <jcastro> ask your question prefaced with QUESTION: in #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[17:41] <ClassBot> delcoyote asked: Why Unity? such a drastic change?
[17:42] <wendar> Very good question delcoyote
[17:42] <wendar> I've got both a philosophy answer and a practical answer.
[17:43] <wendar> Philosophy first: So, the tricky thing about technology is that it moves *fast*.
[17:43] <wendar> Scarily fast.
[17:44] <wendar> In that environment, you kind of have two choices: wait around and see what great ideas others come up with and follow them, or stretch out, come up with your own great ideas and let others follow you.
[17:44] <wendar> It would certainly be easier to just adopt others ideas.
[17:45] <wendar> But, it's a missed opportunity to make the world better.
[17:45] <wendar> For a very long time, Linux has been following Windows/Mac.
[17:46] <wendar> Cherry picking from their user interface ideas, to build something that's sort of a lesser copy.
[17:46] <wendar> But, that seems a bit odd, considering how good the free software community is at thinking up, implementing, and trying out new ideas.
[17:47] <wendar> We're an enormously agile community.
[17:48] <wendar> It just makes sense to apply that agile creativity to the desktop.
[17:48] <wendar> Unity isn't the only project doing it, there's a general evolutionary move to try out new ways of interacting with the desktop.
[17:48] <wendar> gnome shell and Meego are other good examples
[17:49] <wendar> On the whole, trying out bold innovations is a good thing.
[17:50] <wendar> It's investing in the future, because if we stand still, everyone else will pass us by in the general rush forward of technology progress.
[17:50] <wendar> Then, there's the practical side:
[17:51] <wendar> One of the things Ubuntu has been working on is usability testing.
[17:52] <wendar> Instead of guessing what users want, or just building it based on what we as developers want, we're going out and asking the users, observing the pain they have, and trying to improve.
[17:52] <wendar> Developers *are* users, but we're a special class of users. More like "power users".
[17:52] <wendar> And, power users are a very small percentage of the overall total users.
[17:53] <wendar> In the usability testing, we've found things in our traditional desktop that really cause users problems.
[17:54] <wendar> So, Unity seeks to directly address those problems we found, and streamline the user's experience.
[17:54] <wendar> Now, with any agile solution to a problem, it's not a "single iteration" fix.
[17:55] <wendar> Unity in Natty works to solve the problems we found in the Classic interface. But in Oneiric, we're doing usability testing on Unity, to solve the next tier of problems.
[17:56] <wendar> EOA
[17:56] <ClassBot> charlie-tca asked: Are there any plans for a usability test using disabled/blind users?
[17:57] <wendar> Definitely. Accessibility is one area where we know Unity in Natty needs work.
[17:58] <wendar> One of the Unity developers is blind, so we've got resources on improving that.
[17:58] <wendar> It basically came down to a time question of how much Unity could deliver in 6 months.
[17:59] <wendar> Accessibility has always been one of the core values of Ubuntu, and that's not going away.
[18:00] <wendar> There will be a number of improvements in Oneiric, and for P we're aiming for the Unity accessibilty story to be even better than Classic.
[18:00] <wendar> EOA
[18:01] <ClassBot> charlie-tca asked: Realizing that a lot of emphasis was placed on Accessibility in Natty's development cycle, are there any plans to add more developers to the accessibility side of things/
[18:02] <wendar> I don't know (the DX team is a bit separate from the Platform team), but it sounds like a good idea, I'll ask around. :)
[18:03] <ClassBot> Jeff_Gray asked: Is there any work being done with visual effects on multi-monitor systems?
[18:03] <jcastro> this sounds like another DXish question
[18:04] <wendar> multimonitors is a topic that came up in both UDS-N and UDS-O
[18:04] <wendar> there is work being done
[18:04]  * wendar goes to pull up blueprints...
[18:05] <wendar> Here's one, though it's more on the "config" side: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-dual-monitor-support
[18:06] <wendar> But, yes, jcastro is right, that work is being done on the DX side.
[18:06] <jcastro> I can answer a little bit
[18:06] <jcastro> right now our multi monitor story is about the same as GNOME 2.x, but a tad better
[18:07] <jcastro> there's one bad bug where if you have your secondary monitor LeftOf where the launcher totally gets confused
[18:07] <jcastro> which is an unfortunate bug that people are working on
[18:07] <jcastro> but generally speaking we're better than 10.10 - and neil has plans working with the X guys to make that rock more in 11.10
[18:07] <ClassBot> broncy asked: When you speak of agile dev, my immediate thoughts rush to strong relationships with customers to gain feedback for future iterations. It seems Ubuntu is moving towards a more user friendly environment with Unity. Do you make efforts to reach out towards consumers who have never used linux desktop environments, to try and make future iterations more enticing to jump into?
[18:08] <wendar> Very much so.
[18:09] <wendar> One of the core targets in our usability testing is people who have absolutely no experience with Ubuntu or Linux.
[18:10] <wendar> Like, imagine someone who has used computers for email or web browsing. Maybe they have a camera, a printer, and a phone.
[18:10] <wendar> They have a set of tasks they do regularly on Windows or Mac or a smart phone.
[18:11] <wendar> So, one key test is how well they can adapt to doing the exact same tasks on Ubuntu.
[18:11] <wendar> Some are easy. If a user has Firefox on Windows/Mac, they come to Ubuntu and say "Hey, I know how to do this!"
[18:12] <wendar> The recognize the icons, the familar browser features, etc...
[18:12] <wendar> Some things are harder.
[18:12] <wendar> Like, if you have a camera, and you want to get photos from your camera and send them to your grandmother...
[18:12] <wendar> That involves several different apps/tools/interfaces.
[18:13] <wendar> Basically, yes, yes, yes, that audience is absolutely critical. :)
[18:13] <wendar> EOA
[18:14] <wendar> (Oh, and the goal of the usability testing is to figure out where it's hard, and make it easier.)
[18:15] <ClassBot> JJWalker2 asked: Why doesn't Ubuntu One allow syncing of folders outside of user?
[18:16] <wendar> That basically comes down to a fundamental question of "what is Ubuntu One?"
[18:17] <wendar> With all great software, there's a tension between doing everything people could want, and focusing on solving a particular problem really well.
[18:18] <wendar> Ubuntu One is "the personal cloud", that is, it's focused on the problems of users, in backing up and syncing their personal data.
[18:18] <wendar> Very similar features could be used for backing up and syncing an entire computer, but that's a different problem set, with needs for different features.
[18:18] <wendar> (There are companies that offer that service too.)
[18:19] <wendar> But, if the developers spent all their time addressing the needs of a more "sysadmin" audience, I think they'd do a poorer job of addressing the needs of the average user.
[18:20] <ClassBot> There are 10 minutes remaining in the current session.
[18:20] <wendar> EOA
[18:20] <ClassBot> charlie-tca asked: Are there any plans to make UbuntuOne work with all the derivatives, such as mythbuntu, xubuntu, lubuntu, etc?
[18:22] <wendar> There's no active work on it AFAIK, but if the mythbuntu, xubuntu, lubuntu, etc teams were interested, I'm sure the Ubuntu One devs would be thrilled to see their work on all the derivatives (and even offer help figuring out any technical problems).
[18:22] <wendar> EOA
[18:23] <jcastro> more questions anyone?
[18:25] <ClassBot> There are 5 minutes remaining in the current session.
[18:28] <jcastro> ok I guess that's time
[18:28] <jcastro> thanks wendar!
[18:28] <jcastro> and thanks everyone for the questions!
[18:30] <ClassBot> Logs for this session will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/06/10/%23ubuntu-classroom.html
[20:39] <nRy> does anyone know the AMI number for an EC2 Ubuntu AMI with GPU's?
[20:42] <delcoyote> nRy,
[20:42] <delcoyote> not sure if this helps
[20:42] <delcoyote> http://alestic.com/
[20:48] <nRy> thanks delcoyote
[20:48] <nRy> I had this AMI:  ubuntu-natty-daily-amd64-server-20110323
[20:48] <nRy> that someone gave me during the Ubuntu Cloud Days
[20:49] <nRy> but I can't seem to find it now on EC2
[20:50] <pleia2> nRy: maybe ask in #ubuntu-cloud?
[20:50] <pleia2> (the cloud folks don't hang out here all the time, just when they are doing classes :))
[20:51] <Jeff_Gray> I like chese
[20:51] <Jeff_Gray> Cheese even
[20:53] <nRy> ah ok! makes sense..thanks pleia2


[18:54] <meonkeys> valorie: I never got the google+ invite. Did you send it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:32] <valorie> I did
[20:32] <valorie> I'll send something to the ubuntu-washington circle, and that should trigger another invite
[20:38] <meonkeys> ah, ok
[20:38] <meonkeys> thanks!


[09:14] <slashtommy> the website... unless someone wants to do something, I suggest a simple redirect to the Ubuntu-IE Loco page
[10:51] <airurando> morning
[10:51] <airurando> very late blogpost about the meetup with canonical last June
[10:52] <airurando> http://airurando.wordpress.com/2012/01/05/meet-and-greet-with-canonical-in-dublin/
[14:47] <airurando> another, more timely blog post.
[14:50] <airurando> http://airurando.wordpress.com/2012/01/05/ubuntu-ireland-loco-2011-year-end-roundup-as-i-saw-it/
[21:20] <Wonderwoman319> am i now in the irish channel?
[21:26] <czajkowski> Wonderwoman319: aye
[21:28] <czajkowski> tdr112: slashtommy Wonderwoman319 is hoping to attend the first meet up of the year and never been to an event before
[21:28] <czajkowski> hiopefully you can help her
[21:50] <slashtommy> sure, the ubuntu hour on saturday?
[21:52] <Wonderwoman319> yes please.
[21:52] <Wonderwoman319> i just need a small (maybe big) hand in getting back up to date.
[21:53] <Wonderwoman319> thanks.
[22:05] <czajkowski> Wonderwoman319: dont worry folks will try and help
[22:06] <slashtommy> aye, there should be no more than 5 or 6 of us
[22:07] <Wonderwoman319> see you then.


[12:08] <juliux> @schedule berlin
[12:08] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 17 Apr 17:00: Kernel Team | 17 Apr 22:00: Community Council | 18 Apr 14:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 17:00: Development Team | 24 Apr 22:00: Technical Board | 25 Apr 22:00: Edubuntu
[12:09] <jsgotangco> @schedule manila
[12:09] <ubotu> Schedule for Asia/Manila: 17 Apr 23:00: Kernel Team | 18 Apr 04:00: Community Council | 18 Apr 20:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 23:00: Development Team | 25 Apr 04:00: Technical Board | 26 Apr 04:00: Edubuntu
[12:10] <zorglu_> anyway to do schedule command via /msg ?
[03:55] <ScottK> @schedule new york
[03:55] <ubotu> Schedule for America/New_York: 17 Apr 11:00: Kernel Team | 17 Apr 16:00: Community Council | 18 Apr 08:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 11:00: Development Team | 24 Apr 16:00: Technical Board | 25 Apr 16:00: Edubuntu