[21:10] <ActionParsnip1> ubuntun00b10997: ok, run: sudo iwlist scan
[21:10] <ubuntun00b10997> okat
[21:10] <ActionParsnip1> ubuntun00b10997: if it shows APs then its fine
[21:10] <user_> znik: please try by yourself. it basically works like google
[21:10] <ubuntun00b10997> D:
[21:10] <ubuntun00b10997> It's not fine
[21:10] <pixelmonkey> I just tried adding a module to initramfs via /usr/share/initramfs-tools/modules, but when I extract the initrd image to check the result, I don't see my module showing up.
[21:10] <ubuntun00b10997> lo        Interface doesn't support scanning.
[21:10] <ubuntun00b10997> eth0      Interface doesn't support scanning.
[21:10] <ubuntun00b10997> pan0      Interface doesn't support scanning.
[21:10] <pixelmonkey> any ideas how to get modules added to initrd in intrepid?
[21:11] <ubuntun00b10997> brb guys
[21:11] <mrwes> ubuntun00b10997, did you reboot after activating the driver?
[21:11] <ubuntun00b10997> no
[21:11] <ubuntun00b10997> should I have?
[21:11] <mrwes> I would
[21:11] <ActionParsnip1> ubuntun00b10997: if you have to paste multiple lines, use a pastebin
[21:11] <ubuntun00b10997> HUH?
[21:12] <ActionParsnip1> !pastebin | ubuntun00b10997
[21:12] <ubuntun00b10997> oh.
[21:12] <ActionParsnip1> ubuntun00b10997: if you paste tonnes of text it scrolls the channel like crazy
[21:12] <Cpudan80> and you get muted
[21:12] <ubuntun00b10997> okay
[21:12] <ActionParsnip1> ubuntun00b10997: ok can you pastebin the output of ifconfig
[21:13] <ubuntun00b10997> ifconfig?
[21:13] <ubuntun00b10997> is that th iwlist?
[21:13] <cjb_ie> and for the same reason, try not to use enter as punctuation... gather up a whole sentence, then hit enter :)
[21:13] <caty> hi
[21:14] <ubuntun00b10997> ActionParsnip1: what's ifconfig?
[21:14] <ActionParsnip1> ubuntun00b10997: its a terminal comand
[21:14] <ubuntun00b10997> oh, okay.
[21:14] <Cpudan80> ublender: its more or less equivalent to ipconfig in windows
[21:14] <Cpudan80> configure your wired network interfaces
[21:14] <thms> join #kielce
[21:15] <sebsebseb> caty: hi
[21:15] <ubuntun00b10997> okay
[21:15] <ubuntun00b10997> ActionParsnip1: I'm putting it in the pastebin
[21:15] <caty> sebsebseb, =)
[21:15] <phh45> cat /proc/asound/cards prints "--- no soundcards ---". How to get the card back? hda-intel.
[21:15] <ActionParsnip1> ubuntun00b10997: cool, paste the address you go to in here
[21:16] <ubuntun00b10997> ActionParsnip1: It's now in the pastebin
[21:16] <ubuntun00b10997> okay
[21:16] <ubuntun00b10997> http://paste.ubuntu.com/149105/
[21:16] <ActionParsnip1> ubuntun00b10997: perfect
[21:16] <meshuggah> fuck people
[21:16] <Gnea> !language | meshuggah
[21:16] <ActionParsnip1> ubuntun00b10997: ok can you do the same with: sudo lshw -C network
[21:17] <ubuntun00b10997> okay
[21:17] <mrwes> ActionParsnip1, wouldn't hurt if he would reboot after enabling the hardware driver
[21:17] <ActionParsnip1> mrwes: true
[21:17] <meshuggah> Gnea, sorry
[21:17] <mrwes> might solve some issues with just a reboot
[21:18] <ubuntun00b10997> ActionParsnip1: here you go: http://paste.ubuntu.com/149107/
[21:18] <ActionParsnip1> mrwes: i'll read this then its worth a go
[21:18] <mFacenet> has anybody installed Gnome shell on Jaunty?
[21:18] <meshuggah> :)
[21:18] <Gnea> !jaunty | mFacenet
[21:18] <ActionParsnip1> ubuntun00b10997: you have a  AR242x chip
[21:18] <hadriansdeath> I am having a problem with gvfs-daemon
[21:18] <ubuntun00b10997> O_O
[21:18] <Serg> hi guys
[21:19] <ubuntun00b10997> That's not possible
[21:19] <ubuntun00b10997> I checked on Windows
[21:19] <hadriansdeath> it is duplicating my entire drive
[21:19] <ubuntun00b10997> AR5xxx
[21:19] <ActionParsnip1> ubuntun00b10997: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-get-atheros-ar5007eg-or-ar242x-wireless-cards-may-be-other-models-working-in-ubuntu-810-intrepid-ibex.html
[21:19] <Gnea> !enter | ubuntun00b10997
[21:19] <mrwes> yep        product: AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter
[21:19] <ActionParsnip1> ubuntun00b10997: windows doesnt matter, its what linux sees it as
[21:19] <ubuntun00b10997> okay.
[21:19] <mrwes> heh
[21:19] <Serg> need help from ubuntu expert
[21:19] <ActionParsnip1> ubuntun00b10997: its in your pastebin dude, read it
[21:19] <dotblank> !ask
[21:19] <mrwes> nod
[21:19] <sebsebseb> Serg: what do you want help with?
[21:19] <Gnea> Serg: you need to ask the question before you'll get help
[21:20] <meshuggah> ask your question
[21:20] <ubuntun00b10997> ActionParsnip1: I'll follow these instructions, so hold on for a bit please
[21:20] <meshuggah> nnow
[21:20] <macman_> Ned__--- you there ?
[21:20] <pmarch_> Hi guys, I recently installed Ubuntu 8.10 and it worked fine for about 1 week and now I have problems like the printer doesn't work anymore and the system won't shut down properly. Is there anything I can do to roll back the drivers?
[21:20] <meshuggah> pmarch_, install windows
[21:20] <mrwes> meshuggah, nice
[21:20] <dotblank> meshuggah: ???
[21:20] <Serg> i am a complete noob in linux spent all my life in WIN tried Ubuntu Studio yesterday no luck w/ vidoe
[21:20] <pmarch_> I hate windows
[21:20] <hadriansdeath> I just got a dell mini, And my gvfs-daemon seems to be duplication my entire drive. In the partition manager, it is shown as an exact duplicate of my file system
[21:20] <martinkoelewijn> pmarch: the shutdown is a known issue, check ubuntuforums.org
[21:21] <ActionParsnip1> pmarch_: remove the printer and then reinstall it
[21:21] <Serg> DELL e196fp monitor resolution is low
[21:21] <ubuntun00b10997> ActionParsnip1: I have an error I will be putting in my pastebin
[21:21] <Gnea> pmarch_: it's possible you're not using ACPI
[21:21] <ActionParsnip1> Serg: whats the output of: lspci | grep -i vga
[21:21] <pmarch_> tnx Martin
[21:21] <meshuggah> pmarch_, i would suggest vista
[21:21] <ubuntun00b10997> ActionParsnip1: http://paste.ubuntu.com/149110/
[21:22] <ActionParsnip1> meshuggah: you arent being helpful
[21:22] <Gnea> !resolution | Serg (check this site out, let us know if it doesn't work)
[21:22] <pmarch_> and Action Parsnip, how do I deinstall the printer?
[21:22] <meshuggah> ActionParsnip1, sorry, but i am still trying
[21:22] <Serg> i wish i new i tried to reed forums and reconfigure xorg but no luck so far
[21:22] <dotblank> pmarch_: just delete the printer
[21:22] <ubuntun00b10997> Serg: try xvesa?
[21:22] <pmarch_> ok let me try that
[21:23] <xarus> hi
[21:23] <sebsebseb> xarus: hi
[21:23] <user_> meshuggah: if you can help with windows, you better do it in #windows
[21:23] <jamiejackson1> Looking for game recommendations for my wife. She likes all kinds of stuff, but doesn't like violent games. Tends to like sim-city kinds of stuff, diner dash, lemonade tycoon, but looking for stuff i can install for her that she'd like. Thoughts?
[21:23] <Serg> how do i save the file xorg after i am done editing it, sorry i am a noob  when it comes to text mode
[21:23] <ubuntun00b10997> ActionParsnip1: what do you think of the pastebin?
[21:23] <ActionParsnip1> ubuntun00b10997: wget http://wireless.kernel.org/download/compat-wireless-2.6/compat-wireless-2.6.tar.bz2
[21:23] <xarus> i have a lil problem
[21:23] <ActionParsnip1> ubuntun00b10997: the file was wrong in the guide
[21:23] <xarus> :)
[21:23] <jamiejackson1> Serg, which app did you edit in
[21:23] <apo> Hi, I just created a RAID5 with one missing device - how do I add the missing device?
[21:23] <ubuntun00b10997> oh
[21:23] <martinkoelewijn> Serg: do gksudo gedit /path/to/file
[21:23] <ubuntun00b10997> okay
[21:23] <fx3> Hi, Is it possible/viable to use whole disks for software raid using mdadm ? as in, /dev/sdc and /dev/sdd ?
[21:23] <Gnea> Serg: that depends what you use to edit it with
[21:24] <dotblank> Serg i you ctl+x it asks to save and closes nano (if your using nano)
[21:24] <meshuggah> user_, sorry man
[21:24] <xarus> can someone help me with a custmize problem?
[21:24] <ActionParsnip1> meshuggah: how do you think advising vista in a linux help room would help any at all?
[21:24] <xarus> can someone help me with a customize problem?
[21:24] <Serg> oh jees this is new to me i have no idea what i am doong
[21:24] <ubuntun00b10997> ActionParsnip1: downloading
[21:24] <meshuggah> ActionParsnip1, dunno, i tried
[21:24] <Gnea> !repeat | xarus
[21:24] <ActionParsnip1> !anyone | xarus
[21:24] <meshuggah> ActionParsnip1, i am sorry
[21:24] <mrwes> ubuntun00b10997, did you not enable the driver in Hardware DRivers? If so, give it a reboot for you dig to china on this :)
[21:24] <n00b-_-> is there windows media player ?
[21:24] <sebsebseb> !troll |  meshuggah
[21:24] <xarus> ok ok I understand
[21:24]  * Gnea agrees with sebsebseb
[21:25] <Rovanion> Where in my filesystem is samba shares mounted
[21:25] <mrwes> !ban
[21:25] <dotblank> n00b-_-: There is totem
[21:25] <n00b-_-> where do i find windows media player
[21:25] <mrwes> :)
[21:25] <imachine> n00b-_-, on windows.
[21:25] <meshuggah> sebastien, ?
[21:25] <Serg> any chance i can edit xorg from other live distro that works like mandriva detects my monitor well
[21:25] <meshuggah> sebsebseb, ?
[21:25] <caty> where is internet explorer?
[21:25] <frankS2> haha
[21:25] <frankS2> troll caty
[21:25] <imachine> caty, likewise
[21:25] <Gnea> Rovanion: usually ~/.gvfs/
[21:26] <dotblank> caty: On ubuntu internet explorer has been replaced by firefox
[21:26] <ubuntun00b10997> ActionParsnip1: how do I know what directory I extracted to?
[21:26] <Gnea> caty: in windows
[21:26] <Rovanion> Gnea: oke
[21:26] <caty> dotblank, oh
[21:26] <n00b-_-> where do i install it ?
[21:26] <dotblank> :(
[21:26] <imachine> n00b-_-, and media player can get installed I think, not sure tho, with the use of WINE. but you can use Totem for most of your film needs, and otherwise, rhythmbox for your audio needs.
[21:26] <user_> n00b-_-: go home
[21:26] <RedWar> Caty yOU Can uSe ie4linuX
[21:27] <imachine> n00b-_-, there's plenty other applications available.
[21:27] <Except> Hello everyone
[21:27] <caty> redwar,?
[21:27] <Rovanion> n00b-_-: I recommend Medaplayer or VLC
[21:27] <n00b-_-> do they work with my music
[21:27] <imachine> n00b-_-, windows media player, as the name suggests, is a windows application.,
[21:27] <Except> I just installed UBuntu 8.10 on my laptop for the first time. It's really awesome, I like everything about it.
[21:27] <ubuntun00b10997> ActionParsnip1: I have pasted the output in the pastebin. and I don't know where my directory that I extracted it to is
[21:27] <xarus> so here goes... I have added a theme to emerald i have activated emerald and I don't know what happen, coz when I click the little green men to choose shut down... there isn;t any shut  down option... and the only way I shut down now is from terminal... can this be fixed? ... and an Other one... how can I get this cursor >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GQ52l15LrQ   the little yellow things ...how can i get that?
[21:27] <miha> i dont know who played with sound in later ubuntu version... either totem player or amsn "locks" my sound card and gotta kill X and log back in to get sound in unreal tournament
[21:27] <dotblank> Except: Awesome :)
[21:27] <miha> in old alsa versions it worked
[21:28] <nillo> weird--installed AdBlock Plus in Ubuntu, but it didn't install the corresponding .deb.  I thought that's how other Mozilla add-ons were handled.
[21:28] <Gnea> caty: is there something that you need IE for that absolutely won't work with firefox?
[21:28] <miha> which noob broke the working sound?
[21:28] <imachine> n00b-_-, probably should. if not, they will inform you about need to download proper codecs, which then you can choose to download and install.
[21:28] <imachine> n00b-_-, automatically.
[21:28] <imachine> :)
[21:28] <miha> i heard about 'pulseaudio'
[21:28] <Serg> Guys i get black screen and : resolution is not suported optimal res 1280x1024 @60
[21:28] <miha> alsa worked
[21:28] <Except> dotblank: yes, it looks sleek, and works great. But I do have a problem, I won dered if anyone could help
[21:28] <fx3> is there a more technical ubuntu channel where i can ask about mdadm?
[21:28] <miha> then some idiot replaces with broken new system
[21:28] <caty> gnea, what is firefox?
[21:28] <n00b-_-> i got told ubuntu was a better windows tho ?
[21:28] <Serg> Monitor Dell e196fp
[21:28] <miha> any comments?
[21:28] <dotblank> Except: probally
[21:28] <Gnea> !firefox | caty
[21:28] <imachine> n00b-_-, Ubuntu is an Operating system.
[21:28] <RedWar> lf you Want to have ie on Linux
[21:29] <Gnea> caty: it is a well-known alternative web browser
[21:29] <imachine> n00b-_-, it falls next to other operating systems, one of which is MS Windows.
[21:29] <sebsebseb> Gnea: caty and meshuggah are here to troll
[21:29] <imachine> n00b-_-, if it's better, it's a case of personal preference. most of the people here seem to prefer it, I suppose.
[21:29] <miha> i dont know who played with sound in later ubuntu version... either totem player or amsn "locks" my sound card and gotta kill X and log back in to get sound in unreal tournament... it used to work two releases ago
[21:29] <xarus> ok i have written to much?
[21:29] <imachine> n00b-_-, (I do for one)
[21:29] <fx3> imachine, well, i wouldnt say that it *falls* =P
[21:29] <caty> gnea, is it a copy of  internet explorer ike msn is amsn?
[21:29] <n00b-_-> they said it was better
[21:29] <PornAddict> :(
[21:29] <imachine> fx3, sits.
[21:29] <miha> why you go break what used to work
[21:29] <Gnea> sebsebseb: i see.
[21:29] <miha> is that progress?
[21:29] <meshuggah> sebsebseb, ?
[21:29] <Except> Well, it worked great, I played with it a bit, and today, suddenly, when trying to connect to any wireless network, it stalls intermittently. The whole computer. The mouse is nearly impossible to control and everything goes in 5 second stalled jumps.
[21:29] <meshuggah> troll, like ad&d ?
[21:30] <imachine> n00b-_-, there can be numerous reasons why these mysterious "they" think so, but if "they" indeed do, it would be good to ask them why exactly, for starters, and that's what I would've done first, if I were you ;]
[21:30] <Except> So I had to go back to windows to ask you this question :(
[21:30] <Gnea> caty: no, actually firefox is an off-shoot of mozilla, which is the open-source offshoot of netscape, which was copied by microsoft, back in the day, to become IE
[21:30] <dotblank> Except: Did you recently update ubuntu?
[21:30] <RedWar> I am not sure about downloading the newestvversion of ubuntu
[21:30] <imachine> Gnea, inadeptly
[21:30] <Except> Yes, I did update this morning.
[21:30] <miha> netscape was just fancied up mosaic browser from CERN
[21:30] <Gnea> meshuggah: ever heard of 4chan?
[21:30] <caty> gnea, oh
[21:31] <ActionParsnip1> ubuntun00b10997: back
[21:31] <imachine> Gnea, if I may add
[21:31] <imachine> ;]
[21:31] <xarus> so here goes... I have added a theme to emerald i have activated emerald and I don't know what happen, coz when I click the little green men to choose shut down... there isn;t any shut  down option... and the only way I shut down now is from terminal... can this be fixed? ... and an Other one... how can I get this cursor >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GQ52l15LrQ   the little yellow things ...Does anyone know how to get that and solve my shut down problem?
[21:31] <miha> and mosaic was first graphic HTML browser
[21:31] <ubuntun00b10997> ActionParsnip1: may I speak to you in pM?
[21:31] <caty> gnea, so firefox is better
[21:31] <meshuggah> 4chan?
[21:31] <Gnea> imachine: lol
[21:31] <dotblank> Except: Did you manually compile your drivers?
[21:31] <meshuggah> nah
[21:31] <ActionParsnip1> ubuntun00b10997: no i'm kinda doing a lot right now so i cant hold your hand every step in that very comprehensive guide
[21:31] <Except> dotblank: no I wouldn't know how to do that.
[21:31] <Gnea> caty: yes. problems are fixed with it much faster.
[21:31] <ubuntun00b10997> ActionParsnip1: okay
[21:31] <imachine> caty, there's a good chance it's faster, safer. it's often also going with standards, set by other people, unlike ie which just tries to set standards of its own and force web developers to stick to it.
[21:31] <miha> why so many users complain about sound and gnome and pulseaudio
[21:32] <miha> i know in our LUG they do
[21:32] <RedWar> Caty firefox or opera is better than ie
[21:32] <miha> sound and ubuntu and pulseaudio
[21:32] <miha> things that used to work now dont
[21:32] <miha> require tricks
[21:32] <miha> or whatever
[21:32] <mrwes> RedWar, lynx is better than IE
[21:32] <ActionParsnip1> ubuntun00b10997: its all there for you with full commands
[21:32] <caty> gnea, oh
[21:32] <ubuntu> okay ubuntu live logging into to a secured wireless then getting kicked off the network after 1 minute, any ideas?
[21:32] <Gnea> !pulseaudio
[21:32] <dotblank> Except: you may have to compile the latest wireless drivers and install them manually untill the next kernel update fixes it
[21:32] <ubuntun00b10997> ActionParsnip1: thanks for the webpage, I think I got it figured out
[21:32] <mark_483732> ciao
[21:32] <xarus> Does anyone know how to make the little green runing man to show shut down function?
[21:32] <imachine> caty, try it and see for yourself. to be honest tho, I haven't seen anyone with more than bits of computer knowledge running IE for anything more than downloading another browser.
[21:32] <ubuntu> and it will stay connected to unsecured networks..
[21:33] <imachine> caty, eventually, windows update or testing ;]
[21:33] <miha> ubuntu bad signal, and network manager sucks at reconnecting
[21:33] <RedWar> Ii think lynx x is best of all, no graphics woot!
[21:33]  * miha had fun eduroam wpa enterprise and 20% or so signal
[21:33] <Gnea> ubuntu: have you tried wicd?
[21:33] <Except> dotblank: ok... but how do i do this if i cannot connect to the internet? Can I roll back that update perhaps?
[21:33] <miha> and gnome network manager cant login back
[21:33] <miha> it asks you
[21:33] <miha> every time
[21:33] <ubuntu> well the neighbors wifi is slow so i might have to
[21:33] <miha> who designed that :)
[21:33] <FloodBot2> miha: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:33] <ubuntu> exactly
[21:33] <Gnea> !enter | miha
[21:33] <xarus> coz mine doesn't wanna show...
[21:34] <dotblank> Except: you can try booting into an earlier kernel. when grub is loading try selecting the second latest kernel
[21:34] <caty> imachine, i am not firebox now hoe ddo i favourite some thing
[21:34] <Except> Ok... that's in the boot menu?
[21:34] <imachine> caty, it's called bookmarks.
[21:34] <Except> Where I choose between windows and linux?
[21:35] <Psywiped> yes Except
[21:35] <imachine> caty, you can press the little star in the address bar for example.
[21:35] <Gnea> caty: have you installed Ubuntu yet?
[21:35] <imachine> caty, other than that, I'd suggest reading www.firefox.org or so, to get a grip of how it works.
[21:35] <RedWar> caty can you please repeat your last question?
[21:35] <manpoole> miha hwo do i fix the disconnecting issue?
[21:35] <Gnea> RedWar: no need for that.
[21:35] <Except> Ok. So I try that, then download the wireless drivers (from where?) and 'compile' them and install them? Would this take me a week to figure out if I never did that before?
[21:35] <caty> imachine, ty
[21:36] <manpoole> oh yeah and im pretty new to linux id say about 2 hours new
[21:36] <plastun> can anybody help me with setting up broadcom wi-fi?
[21:36] <imachine> caty, it's quite intuitive after a while, just play and experiment with it a bit.
[21:36] <Gnea> !wireless
[21:36] <dotblank> Except: yes
[21:36] <dotblank> Except: you should see multiple entries for ubuntu
[21:36] <osgeld> so how many here use  ubuntu (runs away before the egging)
[21:37]  * Gnea looks oddly at osgeld
[21:37] <manpoole> i found a really good webpage on howto install windows wifi drivers earlier today
[21:37] <xarus> :))
[21:37] <manpoole> got me running in a few seconds I can find it if you want
[21:37] <meshuggah> i dont use ubuntu
[21:37] <Gnea> osgeld: I'm gonna guess 1,404 people ;)
[21:37] <vidor> Anyone have any ideas why the top bar (min/max buttons) is now gone from Firefox but is there and works fine on any other app
[21:37] <ubuntun00b10997> manpoole: can I have that?
[21:37] <meshuggah> maybe the 9.04
[21:37] <Gnea> meshuggah: why not?
[21:38] <imachine> manpoole, I think there's even a graphical application gtk2 for Ubuntu.
[21:38] <skunkworks__> ?
[21:38] <imachine> manpoole, helping with windows drivers.
[21:38] <jdwarta> vidor: maybe they r under the menubar
[21:38] <meshuggah> Gnea, i will try the 9.04, if it is really faster
[21:38] <deany> vidor, full screen?
[21:38] <Except> Hm. okay, it sounds like this is too complicated to pull off. I wouldnt know how to compile drivers or even what drivers to look for.
[21:38] <xarus> Gnea : and the rest
[21:38] <Gnea> meshuggah: faster than what? to do what?
[21:38] <meshuggah> Gnea, if it is, i will install only this one
[21:38] <meshuggah> Gnea, faster than 8.10
[21:38] <Gnea> meshuggah: at doing what?
[21:38] <Except> Am i looking at the manufacturer's site? they dont have linux drivers afaik
[21:38] <psychomantis> hey guys
[21:39] <MagoonD> I upgraded from gutsy to hardy and now i cannot su in the terminal, the password for su does not work anymore can someone help me?
[21:39] <vidor> No not full screen and there is no menu bar anymore ... the only thing I can see are the buttons below the menu bar and the rest of the page
[21:39] <xarus> I cant pass throught 8.10... I have big problems with wireless card
[21:39] <Gnea> xarus: well, at least a couple bots there ;)
[21:39] <xarus> I still use 8.04
[21:39] <nperry> !offtopic
[21:39] <osgeld> im going to be redoing my machine soon, is there really any reason to use the x64 edition
[21:39] <meshuggah> Gnea, to do all
[21:39] <vikrant> osgeld: no
[21:39] <meshuggah> Gnea, to do firefox, music, video, games,...
[21:39] <Gnea> meshuggah: what are your system specs? cpu/mem/hd?
[21:39] <guntbert> !sudo | MagoonD
[21:39] <RedWar> On HARDY heron all, is pulseaudio friendlier than using alsamixer?
[21:40] <dotblank> Except: This is true most manufactures don't have linux drivers but the chip makers do, During the startup where you select wich OS do you have more then one option for ubuntu?
[21:40] <meshuggah> Gnea, p4 1.5ghz, 256mb ram, 3x40gig hd, geforce 4
[21:40] <ActionParsnip1> osgeld: if you have more than say 3Gb ram then use 64Bit imho, 64bit is great now, java can be a pain otherwise its flawless
[21:40] <meshuggah> 64mb
[21:40] <MagoonD> ubottu, thx sudo seems to work
[21:40] <ubuntun00b10997> rebooting.
[21:40] <psychomantis> looooool
[21:40] <Apolo> poertugues
[21:40] <Apolo> portugues
[21:40] <mrwes> wh00p?! a reboot!
[21:40] <psychomantis> huge
[21:40] <imachine> meshuggah, should be more than enough, could use more ram tho.
[21:41] <osgeld> im using 8.04 atm just cause im lazy and it was already installed when i upgraded hardware, 9.04 i just saw is faster is there newer versions i should avoid?
[21:41] <Gnea> meshuggah: okay, standard ubuntu does not work good with 256mb of ram. I would recommend increasing your memory to at least 512mb, or using a different version of ubuntu (such as kubuntu, elivecd or xubuntu)
[21:41] <Apolo> irc em portugues
[21:41] <Apolo> ubuntu-br
[21:41] <osgeld> and no i only have 2gb
[21:41] <meshuggah> Gnea, i tried xubuntu
[21:41] <Except> dotblank: Yes I have a couple. My Wifi is an Intel 5100 AGN chip
[21:41] <psychomantis> speak english plz
[21:41] <Gnea> !pt | Apolo
[21:41] <meshuggah> Gnea, i only have the choice for rambus rdram
[21:41] <imachine> osgeld, wait till it comes out, would be the first suggestion.
[21:42] <Gnea> meshuggah: I'm sure that www.pricewatch.com can fetch a reasonable price
[21:42] <imachine> osgeld, but if you feel adventurous and know your way about linux more or less, I've been using 9.04 + ext4 on two machines and had no major problems so far.
[21:42] <imachine> (and not many probably are on the way either)
[21:42] <Apolo> #ubuntu-br
[21:42] <imachine> osgeld, it works a charm, especially with ext4.
[21:42] <Gnea> Apolo: you need to type:  /join #ubuntu-br
[21:42] <Armin1> Hi!
[21:43] <sebsebseb> Armin1: hi
[21:43] <psychomantis> hi
[21:43] <caty> hi
[21:43] <osgeld> ive been using redhat based ones for years, 8.04 is the first deb based linux ive tried, and i like it much better, altho i dont know if i feel that adventurous
[21:43] <imachine> osgeld, despite the fact there were two or three minor setbacks for some time (delete hangs, and then there's some theoretical data loss possible, but that's possible with any system really, and it's not as if it's a bug, not even a design flaw I'd say)
[21:43] <RedWar> Hi Armin
[21:43] <Armin1> I need to set up TV-OUT with Ubuntu 9.04 and a ATI Mobility Radeon x1400. Any help?
[21:43] <Except> dotblank: http://intellinuxwireless.org/ says the drivers for my card are already in the kernel... or something
[21:43] <imachine> osgeld, it shouldn't eb a problem/.
[21:43] <imachine> osgeld, I recommend ext4 tho.
[21:43] <ActionParsnip1> osgeld: its good to try ultiple distros
[21:43] <dotblank> Except: Can you select an option with the second lowest version number without the word recovery
[21:43] <noks> hi
[21:43] <imachine> osgeld, you can always try it out in a virtual machine environment.
[21:43] <vidor> weird ... i put firefox in fullscreen mode using keyboard shortcut and put it back to regular and my bars are back....
[21:43] <Sergeant_Pony> anyone know why ubuntu 8.04 on a toshiba laptop will not hold advanced desktop effects settings?
[21:43] <imachine> osgeld, like virtualbox or so ;]
[21:43] <osgeld> yea thats true
[21:44] <Except> dotblank: I can try...
[21:44] <miha> except which version?
[21:44] <psychomantis> clearly
[21:44] <osgeld> thats probably the way to go
[21:44] <Gnea> meshuggah: yes, while the minimum specs do say 256mb on the requirements, it is, just that: the minimum required.  that doesn't guarantee that it's going to be any faster.  elivecd is based on ubuntu but only requires 64mb of ram and a 100mhz cpu.
[21:44] <imachine> Sergeant_Pony, possibly due to a crappy graphics card.
[21:44] <Except> miha: 8.10
[21:44] <manpoole> so can someone help me out with connecting to a secured wpa wireless network and then disconnecting every minute? when the unsecured network stays connected?
[21:44] <dotblank> Except: if it worked before the upgrade this should give you internet
[21:44] <imachine> Sergeant_Pony, toshiba does many different laptops tho , so you'd have to be more specific.
[21:44] <Sergeant_Pony> imachine, ati built in
[21:44] <imachine> Sergeant_Pony, what model?
[21:44] <Except> dotblank: I understand. But then what do I do?
[21:44] <miha> except centrino 2 is from .27 kernel on
[21:44] <Gnea> meshuggah: and I highly doubt that 9.04 is going to offer any significant speed improvement with your system specs over 8.10
[21:44] <Sergeant_Pony> imachine, laptop or graphics card?
[21:44] <imachine> Sergeant_Pony, I'm pretty sure rage and friends don't support dri.
[21:44] <imachine> Sergeant_Pony, graphics
[21:44] <meshuggah> Gnea, ok
[21:45] <sebsebseb> Gnea: really he does not even have that system, he  is here to pretend to be noob now
[21:45] <imachine> Sergeant_Pony, at least dri for opengl in hardware.
[21:45] <Sergeant_Pony> imachine,  don't remember, how can I check?
[21:45] <imachine> ("hardware")
[21:45] <dotblank> Except: then we will have to get the latest drivers for your wireless card
[21:45] <imachine> Sergeant_Pony, lspci's your friend.
[21:45] <ActionParsnip1> meshuggah: on low ram systems, install lxde and you are golden
[21:45] <miha> except that should be
[21:45] <miha> 8.10
[21:45] <Except> miha: what does that mean for my wireless issue?
[21:45] <Armin1> TV Out with ATI? 9.04 X1400
[21:46] <dotblank> Except: with the internet back I can walk you through the steps
[21:46] <Except> dotblank: But they should already be part of the system... that's what intel's website says
[21:46] <miha> except do you get anything at  dmesg | grep wlan0
[21:46] <Gnea> sebsebseb: that's possible, but there's no need to be insulting.
[21:46] <Except> Ok ill try to reboot into ubuntu, i might take a few minutes.
[21:46] <imachine> Except, ideally you could connect over a wired connection, and then come by here for debugging help.
[21:46] <sebsebseb> Gnea: no I know, because of other channel
[21:46] <Sergeant_Pony> imachine, VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M]
[21:46] <imachine> Except, chances are, it's fixed in some new update, which you can pull over wired.
[21:46] <Gnea> sebsebseb: which one?
[21:46] <Except> I unfortunately dont have a wired connection available
[21:46] <imachine> Sergeant_Pony, no idea then.
[21:46] <imachine> Except, too bad :]
[21:46] <Except> The rpoblem is the new update CAUSED the problem
[21:47] <dotblank> Except: thats true, but if the current kernel broke it then we have to fix it. It might have already been fixed but the changes hasn't made it ubuntu yet
[21:47] <imachine> Except, what exactly did you update?
[21:47] <RedWar> On HARDY heron all, is pulseaudio friendlier than using alsamixer?
[21:47] <miha> except try booting to older kernel?
[21:47] <miha> you have last few, dont you?
[21:47] <dotblank> imachine: kernel most likely.
[21:47] <Except> imachine: UBuntu told me I had 277 new updates, and I just allowed it to update all of that.
[21:47] <imachine> dotblank, not necesarily
[21:47] <dotblank> imachine: yup
[21:47] <imachine> Except, 1) you can read update history in /var/log/dpkg.log
[21:47] <vassalli> ariciao
[21:48] <vassalli> scusate mi date una mano
[21:48] <crdlb> Sergeant_Pony: either enable the proprietary driver or upgrade to intrepid
[21:48] <vassalli> per la configurazione
[21:48] <Except> Ok, I need to be inside of ubuntu to do all this, so I'll reboot, and try to connect using pidgin... i might take a bit
[21:48] <vassalli> del mio monitor
[21:48] <ActionParsnip1> vassalli: itliano?
[21:48] <vassalli> scheda video nvidia gs 8400
[21:48] <imachine> Except, 2) you can try and roll back older .deb's of possibly errorous packages from /var/cache/apt/archives
[21:48] <guntbert> !it | vassalli
[21:48] <Armin1> I need to setup my TV-OUT. Anyone knows?
[21:48] <RedWar> ItaItItalian
[21:48] <olrrai> hi
[21:48] <Except> Thanks for everything if I don't make it back
[21:48] <dotblank> Except: if you get internet via the other kernel just install xchat
[21:48] <imachine> Except, you have to ofcourse first know what exactly could have caused your problems.
[21:48] <Except> dotblank: ok
[21:49] <imachine> Extend, cheers
[21:49] <Sergeant_Pony> crdlb, I'm using the proprietary drivers already... intrepid doesn't run right at all on this laptop, that's why the 8.04
[21:49] <olrrai> do u know how to share internet from ath0 to a bridge ?
[21:49] <dotblank> imachine: somtimes kernels brake compatability. chances are the bug was already found and he can install the latest wireless-compat
[21:50] <imachine> dotblank, right. we'll see.
[21:50]  * crdlb can't imagine not having a wired connection available ...
[21:50] <ActionParsnip1> !ics | olrrai
[21:50] <Duckthis> Can I reduce an ext3 partition in a logic partition to install XP on it?
[21:50] <imachine> dotblank, I know sometimes it could even be a networkamanger update causing compatibility issues with old config files.
[21:50] <imachine> dotblank, so it highly depends :]
[21:50] <crdlb> Sergeant_Pony: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[21:51] <imachine> dotblank, I'd first try creating another user and trying to log on to the wifi that way
[21:51] <imachine> if it doesn't work, I'd go at the logs.
[21:51] <imachine> that's what they're for.
[21:51] <plastun> how can i remove proprietary wifi driver?
[21:51] <dotblank> imachine: he says that when he attepts to connect his system freezes
[21:51] <imachine> plastun, system->adm->drivers
[21:51] <imachine> dotblank, looks hardware'ish
[21:51] <imachine> dotblank, so kernel'ish
[21:51] <imachine> dotblank, dunno :-) intel card was it?
[21:52] <dotblank> imachine: yup, and I asked if he just updated.. so all things point to kernel
[21:52] <plastun> as i understand, it just disable, not remove
[21:52] <imachine> dotblank, I guess using linux-backports-modules could help ;]
[21:52] <dotblank> imachine: AGN card too
[21:52] <imachine> plastun, dunno
[21:52] <xarus> Does anyone know how I can get this kind of cursor...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GQ52l15LrQ
[21:53] <imachine> plastun, possibly, yes. you can just list the package owning the file with dpkg tho.
[21:53] <imachine> plastun, then remove that package
[21:53] <dotblank> imachine: That would work. but the AGN chip I know is in the main kernel.. I think I fixed before actually
[21:53] <plastun> hmm. lsmod show me wl driver. I don;t want use it.
[21:53] <ubuntun00b10997> ActionParsnip1:
[21:53] <masterkernel> test
[21:53] <VE2EBP> Parsnip, how do I delete my printer?
[21:53] <ActionParsnip1> ubuntun00b10997: sup
[21:53] <masterkernel> test
[21:53] <VE2EBP> ubuntu 8.1
[21:53] <dotblank> dotblank: I think the acer aspire has that chip and installing the latest drivers fixed it
[21:53] <ubuntun00b10997> ActionParsnip1: that webpage did not work, so I found a net5211 driver and used a GUI ndiswrapper on it
[21:53] <ActionParsnip1> VE2EBP: tab complete my name, makes things easier
[21:54] <Guest52106> ragazzi devo mettere il modem in modalità bridge ma nessuna voce nel menu del modem ne parla....come posso fare?
[21:54] <VE2EBP> k
[21:54] <imachine> plastun, modinfo wl; then just dpkg -S the file and you'll know what package owns it.
[21:54] <guntbert> masterkernel: please no tests here
[21:54] <miha> ve2ebp: by http://localhost:631
[21:54] <imachine> plastun, what's wrong with wl tho? it works ,afaik.
[21:54] <ActionParsnip1> VE2EBP: check in printer settings, you may find it there
[21:54] <miha> or by system/settings/printer
[21:54] <miha> same thing
[21:54] <imachine> dotblank, it is. but backports are often newer.
[21:54] <guntbert> !it | Guest52106
[21:54] <plastun> imachine, no
[21:54] <mrwes> !pasta
[21:54] <imachine> dotblank, dunno. sometimes the backported driver works better, sometimes worse, sometimes not at all :)
[21:54] <plastun> ifconfig show me eth0 and eth1
[21:55] <imachine> plastun, so eth1 is the one you need.
[21:55] <miha> why use backport anyway?
[21:55] <plastun> but eth1 looks like simple ethernet
[21:55] <miha> if you like use beta?
[21:55] <ubuntun00b10997> ActionParsnip1: It says"Hardware present: yes", so I pressed configure networks but it said"Could not find network configuration tool"
[21:55] <miha> or stay to main
[21:55] <imachine> plastun, run iwconfig and see.
[21:55] <plastun> iwconfig show me wlan0
[21:55] <imachine> miha, it just backports modules.
[21:55] <imachine> plastun, ifconfig -a shows you wlan0 ?
[21:55] <miha> imachine oh
[21:55] <imachine> miha, just the wireless modules, actually (I think at least)
[21:55] <Except> Hello all
[21:56] <dotblank> hes back
[21:56] <miha> imachine makes sense ok sorry :)
[21:56] <imachine> they're fairly stable, just newer. you can see for yourself.
[21:56] <Except> I'm NOT in Ubuntu
[21:56] <plastun> imachine, no, ifconfig show me eth1
[21:56] <Roasted> Is anybody really good with samba and windows/ubuntu networking?
[21:56] <dotblank> Except: NOO
[21:56] <imachine> plastun, ifconfig -a should show you all interfaces.
[21:56] <Except> dotblank: yeah, the older kernel didn't work
[21:56] <imachine> plastun, if it doesn't show you wlan0 and iwconfig does, you're reading something wrong.
[21:56] <ubuntun00b10997> ActionParsnip1: Any ideas?
[21:56] <imachine> plastun, or doing something wrong.
[21:56] <RedMushroom> what's the terminal command to display a list of local users on my machine?
[21:56] <ActionParsnip1> ubuntun00b10997: the guide tell how to get it going, you dont need ndiswrapper
[21:57] <dotblank> Except: Maybe imachine was right and has to due with NM
[21:57] <mrwes> RedMushroom, w
[21:57] <ubuntun00b10997> ActionParsnip1: The guide didn't work
[21:57] <plastun> imachine, why my LED indikator light when i switch off my wi-fi?
[21:57] <Except> What's NM?
[21:57] <imachine> Except, log into ubuntu, craete a new user, try logging in as teh new user and see if you can connect to wireless with that one.
[21:57] <imachine> plastun, ignore that
[21:57] <plastun> imachine, oh, no
[21:57] <imachine> plastun, leds aren't often supported.
[21:57] <plastun> )))
[21:57] <imachine> Except, networkmanager.
[21:57] <dotblank> Except: Network Manager, Is there anyway of getting the internet without wireless?
[21:57] <ActionParsnip1> !ndiswrapper | ubuntun00b10997
[21:57] <imachine> Except, the application responsible for your network settings.
[21:57] <guntbert> RedMushroom: cat /etc/passwd
[21:58] <Except> dotblank: no, that's not possible, unfortunately.
[21:58] <imachine> Except, try as I said, creating a new user and logging in from that account. if it works, the problem lies in your configs not being compatible with the new updates.
[21:58] <Except> dotblank, imachine: I'll try to do the new-user thing... but as soon as I log in it tries to auto-connect and the whole thing locks up so it might be difficult
[21:58] <imachine> Except, if it is so then you need to backup your ~/.gconf* and ~/.gnome* and remove them allowing gnome to recreate it. backup your evolution before that as well.
[21:58] <VE2EBP> Parsnip: test
[21:58]  * dotblank believes might be smarter then me
[21:59] <Except> I have no idea what 'evolution' is :)
[21:59] <miha> Except mail program by novell and adopted by gnome
[21:59] <dotblank> Except: you maybe able to clear the settings before logging in
[21:59] <zleap> evolution is a mail client
[21:59] <Except> well I know what it is in the Origin of Species way :)
[21:59] <miha> except we evolve right?
[21:59] <sebsebseb> Gnea: still here?
[22:00] <Except> dotblank: how do I do that: my user profile has nothing important, I can just wipe it...
[22:00] <imachine> Except, good. so try and do what I told you above, it might work spot on,
[22:00] <Alistrone> hi guys!
[22:00] <Gnea> sebsebseb: yo
[22:00] <miha> hi Alistrone
[22:00] <imachine> Except, but first create a new user to check if it's even that issue at all.
[22:00] <Except> Ok, I'm off again!
[22:00] <Alistrone> how are u?
[22:00] <Except> See you guys soon!
[22:00] <bazilius> Hi, everybody!
[22:00] <imachine> cheers. make sure you read everything I wrote.
[22:00] <Alistrone> hi
[22:00] <imachine> that was some quick reading.
[22:00] <Roasted> Is anybody really good with samba and windows/ubuntu networking?
[22:00] <sebsebseb> Gnea: I got banned for 24  hours from the other channel, for that,  but  I am loyal to this channel :)   and  I don't really care about the other one, becasue it's stupid
[22:00] <Alistrone> ubuntu is the best!!!!!
[22:00] <imachine> Roasted, define good.
[22:01] <ubuntun00b10997> sebsebseb: IT WORKS
[22:01] <ubuntun00b10997> ActionParsnip1: I bow down to j00
[22:01] <Alistrone> there are differences from ubuntu to kubuntu?
[22:01] <ubuntun00b10997> ActionParsnip1: You hath coaxed my interwebz to work
[22:01] <ubuntun00b10997> :D
[22:01] <imachine> Alistrone, like gnome and kde.
[22:01] <bazilius> Ubuntu forever!
[22:01] <Alistrone> ah ok
[22:01] <Alistrone> yes...othere differecnces?
[22:01] <smikec> I have a CanonMF5750 printer attached to a windows box. The printer is listed as a "paper weight" under the open source printing list. I have to imagine there is a way to send a generic post script or pdf to a windows share/server and have windows handle formating for the windows only print driver. I have no idea where to begin looking though. Any suggestions?
[22:02] <bazilius> Apolo
[22:02] <imachine> Alistrone, that's it
[22:02] <ActionParsnip1> ubuntun00b10997: good lad
[22:02] <Roasted> imachine - I have 1 XP laptop and two Ubuntu desktops, each with Samba. On the XP laptop, I can ping the primary Ubuntu Samba desktop, but I cannot ping the secondary Ubuntu Samba desktop. However, I can connect to it via IP address and ping via IP address, but not by computer name which I was hoping to do so it can be set up like the primary Ubuntu Samba Desktop.
[22:02] <Alistrone> ok...what to u like more?
[22:02] <imachine> Alistrone, pretty much at least. during kde 3.x times kubuntu seemed a little undeveloped in comparison with Ubuntu.
[22:02] <franck_> hello, where I can find french irc ubuntu ?
[22:02] <ActionParsnip1> ubuntun00b10997: reboot to check it comes up after a cold boot
[22:02] <imachine> Alistrone, but I think it's slowly catching up.
[22:02] <imachine> Alistrone, dunno, see for yourself.
[22:02] <emerson> how do I install xmms
[22:02] <Kanonkas> how do I install programs in linux?
[22:02] <Alistrone> catching up^----what means
[22:02] <Alistrone> ?
[22:02] <xray7224> franck_: #ubuntu-fr
[22:02] <franck_> thank's
[22:03] <mrwes> Roasted, did you add the machine IP and name to the Windows hosts file?
[22:03] <Roasted> emerson - sudo apt-get install xmms               <-- type that in terminal
[22:03] <imachine> Roasted, any firewalls?
[22:03] <imachine> Roasted, are they all in the same domain?
[22:03] <Alistrone> ok..
[22:03] <Roasted> mrwes - I did not, but I didn't do that for the primary Ubuntu Samba desktop either. So I'm not sure why it'd matter if I didn't do it.
[22:03] <Alistrone> thx
[22:03] <emerson> Roasted: isn't work anymore...
[22:03] <imachine> Alistrone, np
[22:03] <epqr_m> Kanonkas: terminal
[22:04] <emerson> has been removed from the repository I don't know why.
[22:04] <Roasted> imachine - No firewalls, all XP computers are on the workgroup "workgroup" and the smb.conf is pointed to workgroup in both scenarios.
[22:04] <imachine> no idea
[22:04] <imachine> Roasted, check logs
[22:04] <mrwes> Roasted, wins is on both?
[22:04] <imachine> :-)
[22:04] <jrib> !xmms | emerson
[22:04] <Roasted> mrwes - wins is NOT on both.
[22:04] <Roasted> emerson - I highly recommend audacious. Ive used it for a long time.
[22:04] <bazilius> What ani-virus programm would you recomend to use in Ubuntu 8.10?
[22:04] <sebsebseb> !virus
[22:05] <Roasted> imachine - what logs?
[22:05] <Alistrone> !virus
[22:05] <Alistrone> lol
[22:05] <mrwes> Roasted,  you set the netbios name on both?
[22:05] <martinkoelewijn> bazilius: I'm using ubuntu for 1,5 years now with a lot of messing around; no virus problems
[22:05] <Kanonkas> is it possible to install some software when using the live cd?
[22:05] <Roasted> mrwes - netbios is not set on either one.
[22:06] <xarus> Does anyone know how can I make my lil green runing guy show shut down function?
[22:06] <emerson> Roasted: cool I gonna try it but I've been using it for a long time but but is fine...many thanks man.
[22:06] <imachine> Roasted, samba logs
[22:06] <mrwes> Roasted, set the netbios name, I'm guessing they need to be different since you're running two samba servers, correct?
[22:07] <nottrobin> does anyone have experience with portable ubuntu (http://portableubuntu.sourceforge.net/) - I can't work out how to get Windows to ping it
[22:07] <Roasted> mrwes - wouldnt the netbios name simply be the hostname of each computer?
[22:07] <mrwes> Roasted, nod
[22:07] <martinkoelewijn> xarus: no, but have you considered a launcher with gksudo shutdown in command?
[22:07] <bazilius> martinkoelweijn: I don't believe that there is no risk...
[22:07] <Roasted> mrwes - each ubuntu machine is not set with netbios, and each ubuntu machine is named differently, with this beign said why would my main machine work with NO netbios?
[22:07] <Roasted> assumign netbios was required
[22:08] <Kanonkas> is it possible to install some software, when one use the live cd?
[22:08] <xray7224> Kanonkas: yes
[22:08] <bazilius> How can I use private chat here?
[22:08] <xarus> martinkoelewijn : how do I do that?
[22:08] <mrwes> Roasted, hell if I know :)
[22:08] <ActionParsnip1> Roasted: all systems have a name
[22:08] <Kanonkas> but it asks me for a password xray7224
[22:08] <xray7224> possable you might want to go to system > administration > software sources
[22:09] <Roasted> Actionparsnip1 - I understand this, but I was saying that to eliviate from the fact that these two ubuntu machines COULD be named the same... but they are not in my acse.
[22:09] <Roasted> case*
[22:09] <martinkoelewijn> xarus: right click on panel > add to panel > custom launcher > in command field enter gksudo shutdown -hP now
[22:09] <Except> Hey all!
[22:09] <Except> Surprise! I'm NOT in Ubuntu
[22:09] <xarus> martinkoelewijn : You mean to close it by commands ? ooh yeah from 3 days till now I close it throught commands ( $ sudo shutdown -h now )
[22:09] <martinkoelewijn> xarus: it will ask for password, so accidentally clicking is no problem
[22:10] <Except> dotblank: I made a new user called Betty. I logged out, and logged in as Betty, and tried to connect -> and it hung again
[22:10] <ActionParsnip1> Roasted: when they boot up, both systems will not get lan access, i'm unsure if an error is shown
[22:10] <HammerHead66> does anyone know how to read the ".xsession-errors"  file?
[22:10] <roadfish> what package do I need to install to get /lib/modules/2.6.24-23-generic/build/.config
[22:10] <martinkoelewijn> xarus: this is no commandline, it is icon you can click on which asks for password and shut sdown
[22:11] <deadlyallance628>  i run a moto q9m as a usb modem with wvdial how can i route all the data to my eth0
[22:11] <zcat[1]> just finished a really nice install for a friend, decided to tody it up a bit, apt-get clean, remove the 'extra' kernels, etc... and I seem to have removed the running kernel!!! Now it boots right into memtest. Found a howto for fixing it, seems I'm not the first person who's ever done this ;)
[22:11] <nottrobin> does anyone know how networking works in Portable Ubuntu? (colinux)
[22:12] <dotblank> Except: I am sad for you.. without internet functionality it makes fixing this very hard. you could try an even older kernel
[22:12] <RedMushroom> how do i modify the owner of a folder?
[22:12] <bazilius> Does anybody know good IRC sites?
[22:12] <xarus> martinkoelewijn : :) the last "P" is for password? If I delete it will it , it will not ask me for password?
[22:12] <jrib> !permissions | RedMushroom
[22:12] <Roasted> ActionParsnip1 - Each system has a different and unique host name, and each system has a different IP via my router acting as a DHCP server. I am unsure of how my primary desktop works perfectly and I do the same setup on the senodary setup and it fails to work fully. Again, it works by IP, I can go to start run and do
[22:12] <nottrobin> my windows instalation is on <IP_ADDRESS> - my colinux ubuntu installation is on <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:12] <ActionParsnip1> zcat[1]: i think you will have to boot to livecd, chroot to the installed system and apt-get the kernel
[22:12] <irbdavid_> Hi: I installed opera from their .deb package on 9.04 beta, and it doesn't show up in the programs menu, and 'which' doesn't fid it either?
[22:12] <sebsebseb> nottrobin: no and that's unoffical program, and  you would be better off running Windows in a virtual machine or some such in Windows
[22:12] <Roasted> \\IP, and it works, but not by host name
[22:12] <nottrobin> ubuntu can ping wndows, windows cant ping ubuntu
[22:12] <roadfish> bazilius: best I've seen in freenode ... any you like?
[22:12] <imachine> Roasted, sorry, no idea mate.
[22:12] <xray7224> bazilius: a good irc channel is #megworld if you where asking that
[22:12] <imachine> Roasted, I rarely use samba anyway...
[22:12] <zcat[1]> ActionParsnip1, yep that's what the howto says.. livecd's finished booting, brb..
[22:12] <Except> dotblank: I'm not sure, I only have 23-7 and 23-11 in that menu to choose from
[22:12] <xray7224> if you where asking about clients xchat is good =]
[22:13] <Except> And both of them used to work
[22:13] <Philip> hey guys i need help for network settings. IT'S URGENT!
[22:13] <ActionParsnip1> Roasted: i've seen issues with names to ip resolution. ive always used hosts files to circumvent
[22:13] <Roasted> imachine - I kind of have to, considering I run xp, vista, osx, and ubuntu :P
[22:13] <martinkoelewijn> xarus: no, the gksudo part is for password; the P part i dont know, is custom command i found somewhere on internet; if -h worked for you last days then use that
[22:13] <Roasted> ActionParsnip1 - Where is the host file located?
[22:13] <bazilius> #megworld
[22:13] <deadlyallance628>  i run a moto q9m as a usb modem with wvdial how can i route all the data to my eth0
[22:13] <ActionParsnip1> Roasted: /etc/hosts
[22:13] <imachine> Roasted, yeah , i understand. I just haven't ever setup a reasonably complex samba environment. just a pc2pc setup at best :)
[22:13] <imachine> eventually a printer or so
[22:13] <xarus> martinkoelewijn : ok thanks :)
[22:14] <Daniel1234> hi, I need some help with setting up some public/shared directories in Ubuntu. I am trying to set up Virtual box but instead of each person having a separate windows install, I want a shared install location that my users can access individually. Since only my /home is kept separate (for ease in upgrading) I was thinking of setting up a new user under /home with the install and giving r/w privs to all the people to that users fi
[22:14] <dotblank> Except: try booting the live cd and get on IRC then we might be able to do somthing
[22:14] <zcat[1]> bah, cd drive is a bit flakey too. might see if I have another one
[22:15] <Except> dotblank: Ok, but I dont have the Live CD with me, so I'll have to reburn it. I'll do that tonight. What do you think about re-installing Ubuntu, but doing the 8.04 thing?
[22:15] <Roasted> ActionParsnip1 - I'm confused over something. My main computer has <IP_ADDRESS>	skynet	localhost.localdomain	localhost
[22:15] <Roasted> <IP_ADDRESS>	jason-intrepid listed, and jason-intrepid is my OLD computer name. I changed it since then. Whereas my secondary computer has <IP_ADDRESS> localhost             <IP_ADDRESS> UbuntuFOGDesktop in the host file.
[22:15] <martinkoelewijn> xarus: deleting gksudo part will not work, since you need password for shutdown command
[22:15] <VE2EBP> ActionParsnip1: Nope.. I sucessfully deinstalled the printer, reinstalled it and still nothing
[22:15] <dotblank> Except: I was thinking either reinstall or chrooting into your previous install and adding drivers that way
[22:16] <VE2EBP> ActionParsnip1: I think I might have to reinstall Ubuntu cuz even at times, applications close by themselves, pretty weird
[22:16] <Except> dotblank: yes but it'll take me longer to figure out how to do that than reinstalling
[22:16] <Except> Would you say installing 8.04 LTS or 8.10 again?
[22:17] <ActionParsnip1> VE2EBP: i'd read printer logs, see whats going on
[22:17] <xarus> martinkoelewijin : doesn't work... I don't know where I make the mistake...:((
[22:17] <xarus> I click on it and nothing happens :((
[22:17] <martinkoelewijn> xarus: what did you do?
[22:17] <dotblank> Except: wich one did you just use
[22:17] <zcat[1]> VE2EBP, I'd do a memtest first.
[22:17] <VE2EBP> let me check that
[22:17] <Except> dotblank: I used 8.10
[22:17] <ActionParsnip1> Roasted: thats the name of your system you are sat at right
[22:17] <ActionParsnip1> ?
[22:17] <VE2EBP> zcat[1] how do you do a memtest
[22:17] <VE2EBP> sorry I'm green
[22:17] <dotblank> Except: yes go for 8.04 but 9.04 is less then a month away
[22:18] <zcat[1]> chose memtest at the grub menu (on your install or the live cd) and leave it running for a couple of hours
[22:18] <Except> dotblank: so... should I try 9.04 then?
[22:18] <Roasted> ActionParsnip1 - Jason-intrepid is my old compute rname of my main computer. I changed it to skynet, and it works flawlessly under skynet. This change was done weeks ago. Yesterday is when I set up the secondary Samba computer. It's going to be used at work, I'm just setting it up here. I'm confused over why the "loopback" of the secondary shows <IP_ADDRESS>.... not 0.0.1...
[22:18] <VE2EBP> Oh it's on the install CD?
[22:18] <martinkoelewijn> xarus: paste command you entered in command entry field here
[22:18] <VE2EBP> Or at the GRUB menu?
[22:18] <zcat[1]> VE2EBP, both
[22:18] <roadfish> is there some generic way to determine what Ubuntu package contains a certain file? ... for example something that is missing when I build source
[22:18] <VE2EBP> kk
[22:18] <VE2EBP> Tnx berry much
[22:19] <Roasted> ActionParsnip1 - But either way, I did not alter my /etc/hosts file on my main rig and XP computers can connect to it by hostname just fine, so I'm confused over how the secondary I'm setting up fails to work whent o best of what I can tell it's set up the same wa y.
[22:19] <VE2EBP> Like my daughter would say
[22:19] <dotblank> Except: 9.04 isnt out yet
[22:19] <xarus> gksudo shutdown -hP now... but I've tried even with gksudo shutdown -h now
[22:19] <ActionParsnip1> Roasted: thats the loopback device that systems need to communicate with themselves
[22:19] <zcat[1]> VE2EBP, for stuff randomly segfaulting, the first thing to check is for bad memory..
[22:19] <user_> Roasted: packages.ubuntu.com (like i told earlier)
[22:19] <Roasted> ActionParsnip1 - I did a search in each smb.conf file, and there is NO instance of either hostname listed in either config file. I thought maybe the computer name must be put in the samba config file for it to work right.
[22:19] <user_> Roasted: sorry
[22:19] <Except> dotblank: ok... so I have no choice. I'll try 8.04.
[22:19] <Roasted> Yet they are each in the workgroup "workgroup"
[22:20] <user_> roadfish: packages.ubuntu.com
[22:20] <ActionParsnip1> Roasted: its a glitch as some systems use .0.1 and some use .1.1
[22:20] <Roasted> should I let it 1.1?
[22:20] <Sylar> Good evening everyone. Can someone give me some pros and cons comparing Ubuntu with Opensuse linux?
[22:20] <martinkoelewijn> xarus: strange; no space in front of the line? what happens if you run this command in terminal?
[22:20] <user_> !best | Sylar
[22:20] <ActionParsnip1> Roasted: yeah as its expected
[22:20] <xarus> ill tri it on terminal... one sec
[22:20] <roadfish> user_: tnx
[22:21] <xarus> ill tri it on terminal... one sec
[22:21] <Except> Does Linux also have the same issues with 64 bit vs 32 bit as windows: eg, driver incompatibilities, memory limits, software buods, etc?
[22:22] <xarus> It tells me some details
[22:22] <mrsteveman1> Except: most linux drivers come with the kernel, and have been ported to 64bit already
[22:22] <Except> mrsteveman1: ok, and programs?
[22:22] <ActionParsnip1> Except: nope its all good, java can be a pita but otherwise its great
[22:22] <xarus> that i should use...
[22:22] <Except> Ok ill try 64 bit then.
[22:22] <zcat[1]> Except, it used to... for the most part nowdays it can run 32 bit code in a wrapper if necessary
[22:22] <ActionParsnip1> Except: apps are compiled for both 64bit and 32bit
[22:23] <mrsteveman1> for things that are in the main or restricted repos in ubuntu 64 bit should work fine
[22:23] <dotblank> Except: Everything that isn't open source is a pita
[22:23] <ActionParsnip1> Except: you can even run 32bit apps with ia32-libs
[22:23] <zcat[1]> well, wrapper, libs, whatever.. some magic that lets me run both ;)
[22:24]  * dotblank calls for a census on 64bit users
[22:24] <martinkoelewijn> xarus: that you should use what?
[22:24] <ActionParsnip1> dotblank: runs flawless here
[22:24] <zcat[1]> Hehe.. friend gave me a toadsted mobo, amongst a pile of other junk.. noticed it still had a CPU on it, so I've now upgraded my 1.8ghz sempron to a 2.2ghz athalon x2.
[22:25] <Sylar> How can i use the ubuntu iso to run on virtualbox.
[22:25] <xarus> what is the site where I can paste ?
[22:25] <dotblank> ActionParsnip1: here as well 2.
[22:25] <sebsebseb> Sylar: download the ISO first got it?
[22:25] <Sylar> yes
[22:25] <zcat[1]> 64 bit here for the last few releases, no problems at all
[22:25] <dotblank> Anyone got the gtx 275 to work yet?
[22:25] <Sylar> do i have to put it on a cd?
[22:25] <sebsebseb> Sylar: 8.10 or 8.04?  and  to run on virtualbox is to try, and then you put on hard disk later for real?
[22:25] <ActionParsnip1> !paste | xarus
[22:25] <sebsebseb> Sylar: no virtualbox can use the ISO no need to put on CD
[22:25] <martinkoelewijn> xarus: go to ubuntuforums.org, in section general help you can start new thread
[22:25] <zcat[1]> Sylar, no just 'mount' the iso in virtualbox and it'll boot from it
[22:26] <Sylar> i downloaded 8.10
[22:26] <Sylar> it's on my desktop
[22:26] <martinkoelewijn> xarus: let's try wat ubottu said
[22:26] <xarus> thank you man :)
[22:26] <zcat[1]> how long till 9.04? about another week?
[22:26] <ActionParsnip1> Sylar: sudo mount -o loop /path/to/fil.ix /media/cdrom0; cd /media/cdrom0; ls
[22:26] <Sylar> =/ i have windows
[22:27] <xarus> first thing Ill translate it :))
[22:27] <meshuggah> zcat[1], about 1-2 weeks yes
[22:27] <zcat[1]> Jaunty is totally sweet.. been running it for months now!
[22:27] <ActionParsnip1> Sylar: if you want to install it you will need to burn the iso then
[22:27] <zcat[1]> cant wait for the release though, then I'll stop getting 600M of updates every day!
[22:27] <user_> !jaunty > zcat[1] you probably would have found that yourself ;-)
[22:27] <Sylar> i just want to test it out on a virtual machine first before i install it.
[22:27] <tsopp> <3 updates
[22:28] <megworld> Hello
[22:28] <ActionParsnip1> Sylar: then use vmware or virtualbox
[22:28] <Roasted> I have two Ubuntu machines, and each cannot ping each other by the computername, but they can ping each other by IP. Is htis normal?
[22:28] <colton_> list
[22:28] <Sylar> yes i have virtualbox but do i have to have it burned on a cd or can i use it off the desktop on windows
[22:28] <xarus> ok here goes... http://paste.ubuntu.com/149139/
[22:29] <tsopp> Sylar, yes you should be able to.
[22:29] <Sylar> ok, how much ram should be given to this os
[22:29] <mrsteveman1> Roasted: unless that computer name was assigned by a dhcp server, other systems don't know about it
[22:29] <meshuggah> Sylar, 512mb min
[22:29] <treffend> $(channel).2009-04-11.log
[22:29] <megworld> Sylar: in virtualbox ubuntu will run fine at 512
[22:29] <mrsteveman1> hostnames are local unless the dns server for a subnet knows about them
[22:30] <Sylar> what if i only 512 on my system.
[22:30] <Roasted> mrsteveman1 - Each computer is running DHCP but the computer name was put in manually by myself. I was just kind of surprised that Windows machines handle this yet Ubuntu to Ubuntu it can't ping by hostname like that.
[22:30] <zcat[1]> running ubuntu in virtualbox isn't a very realistic evaluation; you're limited by the host os's performance, and ubuntu is running on 'virtualbox' hardware, not the real stuff, so you won't see any potential driver issues
[22:30] <xarus> martin I have posted on the site http://paste.ubuntu.com/149139/
[22:30] <megworld> Sylar: id say best arould be 1gb but most poeple dont have that free
[22:30] <mrsteveman1> windows names are different, they use WINS which can be distributed, each computer in a subnet can actually ask others (with a broadcast) what ip belongs to a name
[22:30] <zcat[1]> probably better to see how hardware support is by booting the live cd
[22:30] <treffend> n Antwort ”Purple IRC” von blacknred0
[22:30] <mrsteveman1> dns is restricted to getting information from a single server
[22:30] <megworld> Sylar: you might not be able to run virtualbox with only 512 of ram
[22:31] <treffend>  512 of ram
[22:31] <Sylar> what about vmware then?
[22:31] <ActionParsnip1> mrsteveman1: any system (windows or linux can have multiple name servers)
[22:31] <megworld> sylar all virtualisation things wont run well with only 512
[22:31] <zcat[1]> same issue; virtualisation means you need enough ram to support both OSes
[22:31] <treffend> by the Konversation team” von bexamous
[22:31] <ActionParsnip1> zcat[1]: you can get a feel of what the OS is about though
[22:32] <exodus_ms> Sylar, It's not the application rather the load that virtualization puts on your host OS
[22:32] <meshuggah> dual boot tro try is great
[22:32] <mrsteveman1> actionparsnip1: i know
[22:32] <meshuggah> just shrink a partition
[22:32] <Sylar> so best thing to do would be to upgrade my ram
[22:32] <Sylar> first
[22:32] <sebsebseb> Sylar: or   wubi 8.10 and put 9.04 on for real later :)
[22:32] <treffend> (No route to host)
[22:32] <martinkoelewijn> xarus: I saw; that is like help for gksudo, it thinks -h is for gksudo instead of shutdown
[22:32] <sebsebseb> Sylar: that is   9.04 with Ext4,  assuming it's stable enough now
[22:32] <Sylar> whats wubi mean
[22:32] <sebsebseb> !wubi |  Sylar
[22:32] <zcat[1]> ActionParsnip1, well, kinda.. you get a feel for what it's like with windows hardware performance, minimal generic hardware support, and no 3d
[22:33] <martinkoelewijn> xarus: try without parameter: gksudo shutdown now
[22:33] <Sylar> coo
[22:33] <sebsebseb> Sylar: it's a bit pointless partitining your hard disk for 8.10 now,  with 9.04 just round the corner and all that
[22:33] <ActionParsnip1> zcat[1]: true but you can install apps and stuff but i get your point
[22:33] <Wicked> anyone have any clue as to why sound will just stop working in ubuntu? nothing will play or have sound.
[22:33] <megworld> Sylar: you can install 8.10 and when 9.04 comes out you can upgrade easily
[22:33] <treffend> conforming to RFC1459 and others, b
[22:33] <treffend>   	Modus  	+tncLfJ #ubuntu-unregged
[22:33] <sebsebseb> Sylar: you can upgrade 8.10 to 9.04, but  you can't get full Ext4 suppourt that way
[22:34] <sebsebseb> Sylar: the file system yeah
[22:34] <Sylar> i want to try it out first because i did the mistake of installing suse and it wasn't all to good
[22:34] <Sylar> i heard good things about ubuntu though
[22:34] <megworld> Sylar: the extra speed of ext4 wouldn't isn't something not to install over
[22:34] <sprinkmeier> Sylar, run it off the live CD if all you want to do is try it out for a bit
[22:34] <sebsebseb> megworld: says a reiserfs fan
[22:34] <dotblank> Sylar: Ext4 is only available if you manually set up the partition and tell it to format as ext4
[22:35] <megworld> Sylar ubuntu is good for beginers however it does also have a lot for the experanced user to do
[22:35] <Sylar> i really wanted to use it on a virtualmachine instead of burning it on a cd
[22:35] <sebsebseb> Sylar: you don't need to burn wubi to a CD
[22:35] <sebsebseb> Sylar: you just download it
[22:35] <zcat[1]> sprinkmeier, of course running it off the live cd also has drawbacks; you're limited in what you can add to the system, and performance is terrible
[22:35] <Ned__> I've been trying to install virtualbox 2.1.4 on ubuntu 8.10 and I just can't seem to do it. I've been wondering if there's some kind of a conflict with these two. I've only been able to install virtualbox 2.0.4. I'm a newbie so maybe I'm just doing something wrong.
[22:35] <megworld> Sylar: you might be able to use a lighter gui in virtual machine but gnome will be a little heavy
[22:35] <sebsebseb> Sylar: and I would recommend getting the wubi 8.04 version rather than the 8.10 version, but only, because you can  then install KDE3 from the repo :)   the older  very stable desktop environment
[22:35] <sprinkmeier> zcat[1], worse than a VM where the host has 512M or RAM? perhaps....
[22:35] <megworld> you might want to try xubuntu insted
[22:36] <sebsebseb> Sylar: as well as KDE4,   if you want to see all the main stuff, what I said ;)
[22:36] <user_> Ned__: why do you need 2.1.4?
[22:36] <martinkoelewijn> xarus: otherwise write script in texteditor; first line !#/bin/bash second line your command you used last days; save as .sh then in command entry for launcher fill in sh /path/to/file.sh
[22:36] <xarus> martin
[22:36] <Ned__> useer_, I don't know that I need it. I just thought it would be best because it's the latest version.
[22:36] <xarus> this one works gksudo shutdown now
[22:36] <zcat[1]> Sylar, I'd agree with doing a wubi install. You don't need to burn a CD just install a virtual CD driver (daemon tools? alcohol120%?) and use wubi from there
[22:36] <sebsebseb> Sylar: then  you can get a 9.04 CD  sorted out,  and install that later on.   9.04 is released on April 23rd by the way
[22:37] <martinkoelewijn> xarus: hurray, there you go
[22:37] <sprinkmeier> martinkoelewijn, xarus that's "#!/bin/bash"
[22:37] <xarus> thank you verry much :)
[22:37] <xarus> martin
[22:37] <megworld> Sylar: the irc channel #megworld has a good small amount of users which can help you get ubuntu running on little ram howver we will probabaly help you run it without gnome and use a lighter gui
[22:37] <sebsebseb> Sylar: if your computer has no CD drive,  then you can use deamontools in Windows yeah
[22:37] <unko> can someone help me with sun virtualbox?????//
[22:37] <xarus> :) n sprink :)
[22:37] <jdwarta1> when 9.04 is released, will i be able to just download it through update manager?
[22:37] <sebsebseb> Sylar: don't join that channel
[22:37] <xarus> good night :)
[22:37] <matamou> jdwartal: yes
[22:37] <jdwarta1> cool
[22:37] <sebsebseb> megworld: you don't deserve to promote your channel here, because you troll this one for fun sometimes
[22:38] <megworld> Sylar this channel has a lot of help and support but because megworld is smaller we can put more time and effort in researching and experementing with you
[22:38]  * dotblank is scared of this process and cost him a system that had updated through 2 version
[22:38] <megworld> sebsebseb: megworld is not realted to any trolling which happens here
[22:38] <matamou> Why is it so that my usb devices wont be recognized by the system??
[22:38] <sebsebseb> megworld: lies
[22:38] <user_> unko: we can help with virtualbox-ose ubuntu package, upstream support is in #virtualbox
[22:38] <dotblank> or vbox
[22:38] <sprinkmeier> matamou, which device?
[22:38] <Ned__> so it shouldn't be a problem if I can only install virtualbox 2.0.4 on my ubuntu 8.10? I want to run windows on it.
[22:38] <unko> user_, ok thanksss
[22:39] <matamou> usb hard-drive, memory sticks etc.
[22:39] <user_> Ned__: which windows?
[22:39] <matamou> usb mouse is recognized, though
[22:39] <zcat[1]> Ned__, windows runs fine in virtualbox-ose, just no 3d or USB support is the main difference
[22:39] <megworld> sebsebseb: you might have had some bad experances with some users within megworld however that does not mean its the channels fault the indervidual users are to blame, if you want to argue this case feel free to pm me and please stay on topic
[22:39] <sprinkmeier> matamou, it's been ages since I've had any problems with things like that. which distro/version are you running?
[22:39] <Ned__> user_, I prefer to try windows 7
[22:39] <sebsebseb> !ot |  megworld
[22:39] <matamou> sprinkmeier: Ubuntu 8.10 intrepid
[22:40] <sebsebseb> megworld: lol  at you pretending to care about the #ubuntu rules
[22:40] <Barridus> can someone assist me in adding a document launcher to the top panel?  i can never seem to get it to work
[22:40] <megworld> sebsebseb: im not protending
[22:40] <sprinkmeier> matamou, OK... can you run "lsusb" before and after inserting the device?
[22:40] <Ned__> I've been thinking maybe I should just stick with virtualbox 2.0.4 until I figure all this out
[22:40] <megworld> sebsebseb: may i pm you please ?
[22:40] <sebsebseb> megworld: yep
[22:40] <Ned__> zcat[1],  ok thanks
[22:41] <user_> Ned__: cant tell you from personal experience, but 204 should be fine for it. just stick with 204 for now to avoid getting in trouble
[22:41] <exodus_ms> megworld, sebastien why not just squash this and help Sylar here in the channel together
[22:41] <megworld> thankyou sebsebseb
[22:41] <matamou> ok, what should i see?
[22:41] <zcat[1]> weird, got through an entire install and ripped two audio CDs with this drive.. but now it's started making a buzzy sound and won't even boot the live CD
[22:41] <megworld> exodus_ms: yes i will im sorry i wasnt aware of the rule sebsebseb kindly pointed out
[22:41] <zcat[1]> .. donated hardware.. yay
[22:41] <ActionParsnip1> zcat[1]: try powering off for 10 mins or so
[22:42] <Ned__> user_, ok I'll stick with 2.0.4 for now
[22:42] <RedWar> Zcat how old is the drive?
[22:42] <zcat[1]> nah, will replace the drive. I have spares, just none of the others are burners.
[22:42] <sprinkmeier> matamou, there should be a few extra lines. The imporant things are the vendor and product ID. You should be able to google for those (include "ubuntu" inthe search) to find ifg anyone else has had any problems. Also, check the last few lines of /var/log/messages to see what you system thinks of the new device
[22:42] <zcat[1]> no idea. I get donated old computers and give them to kids
[22:42] <vitopoma> hi
[22:43] <jdu> zcat[1], freegeek type thing?
[22:43] <zcat[1]> .. usually with xubuntu on them, but this one's high enough spec that I did the full ubuntu, compiz, emerald thing
[22:43] <abhishekiitd> hey people i just installed emifreq-applet, but i cant find the icon to run it
[22:43] <RedWar> A just cause Zcat1
[22:43] <vitopoma> how can i boot grub from grub?
[22:43] <zcat[1]> yeah, working on freegeek.co.nz .. need a place other than my lounge room ;)
[22:44] <zcat[1]> err freegeek.org.nz rather. registered the domain, no website there yet ;)
[22:44] <jdu> zcat[1], so are you officially a freegeek or becoming one?
[22:44] <matamou> sprinkmeier: Thanks, I found a couple of promising leads from google !
[22:44] <abhishekiitd> hey people i just installed emifreq-applet, but i cant find the icon to run it
[22:44] <sprinkmeier> matamou, GIYF :-)
[22:44] <vitopoma> i want to grub the bootloader in another partition when i select a menu entry. it is possible?
[22:44] <zcat[1]> jdu, becoming one. Pretty determined to get it all set up.
[22:45] <vitopoma> i want to boot the bootloader in another partition when i select a menu entry. it is possible?
[22:45] <ActionParsnip1> vitopoma: just add the other OS boots to have 1 grub
[22:45] <zcat[1]> right now it's just one geek with some free time
[22:45] <peacewise> hey videos not running on mozilla linux
[22:45] <[Valar]^> hi niggers
[22:45] <megworld> you can edit grub to boot from other things via /boot/grub/menu.lst
[22:45] <peacewise> youtube
[22:45] <abhishekiitd> hey people i just installed emifreq-applet, but i cant find the icon to run it
[22:46] <jdu> zcat[1], awesome!  we have here 4 regular volunteers but not yet officially freegeek
[22:46] <ActionParsnip1> [Valar]^: keep is civil
[22:46] <Louis> i detect /b/
[22:46] <peacewise> anyone who uses foxyproxy?
[22:46] <megworld> peacewise: that is because you need flash, best way to get propritory codecs is install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[22:46] <vitopoma> what are the  commands?
[22:46] <vitopoma> chanloader +1?
[22:46] <Louis> peacewise:  check out medibuntu as well
[22:46] <vitopoma> chainloader +1?
[22:47] <vitopoma> makeactive?
[22:47] <megworld> chanloader + 1 would be for example windows
[22:47] <jdu> chainloader gives control to another boot loader, lie windows
[22:47] <jdu> s/lie/like
[22:48] <vitopoma> so can i do root (hdx, x)
[22:48] <peacewise> anyone who uses foxyproxy??
[22:48] <zcat[1]> jdu, I also gotta figure out something to do with the waste other than piling it up in my garage .. fortunately we have eday once a year so at least it's getting disposed of properly
[22:48] <Louis> !patience|peacewise
[22:48] <vitopoma> then chainloader +1
[22:48] <vitopoma> then makeactive
[22:48] <vitopoma> and then boot?
[22:48] <jdu> zcat[1], we use a place in Indianapolis that uses prison labor...
[22:49] <jdu> vitopoma, I believe so.  But you shouldn't have to chainload grub.
[22:49] <jdu> normally
[22:49] <Raptor-Jesus> I installed a compiz theme, how do i add it?
[22:50] <unitedpotsmokers> hello, how to downgrade ubuntu intrepid?
[22:50] <jdu> Raptor-Jesus, drag and drop it into themes and then select it.
[22:50] <abhishekiitd> hey people i just installed emifreq-applet, but i cant find the icon to run it
[22:50] <megworld> unitedpotsmokers: i dont beleve you can.
[22:50] <megworld> abhishekiitd: type alt + F2 and type the name of it
[22:50] <jdu> unitedpotsmokers, reinstall
[22:50] <vitopoma> how can i do? without chainload?
[22:50] <unitedpotsmokers> megworld: because i want to re-update, and save update packages...
[22:50] <jdu> vitopoma, explain the scenario again
[22:51] <ActionParsnip1> vitopoma: sure but make sure the correct partition is referenced
[22:51] <caty> are there any good touch type progarms on ubuntu?
[22:51] <Hassanakevazir> does any one has one of those one line commands to add a pgp key from a launchpad repository? i need an example
[22:51] <zcat[1]> darn, lost my nvidia drivers too.. 'ubuntu is starting in 320x240 resolution' ;)
[22:51] <megworld> unitedpotsmokers: i think you can only upgrade if you want to downgrade you will have to re-install
[22:51] <unitedpotsmokers> ok thanks guys...
[22:52] <abhishekiitd> megworld:but i run using that too
[22:52] <Verruckter> hey
[22:52] <abhishekiitd> megworld:but i cant*
[22:52] <sebsebseb> Verruckter: hi
[22:52] <Verruckter> am I in the right channel to ask for help ^
[22:52] <peacewise> from where can i get ubuntu wallpapers
[22:52] <sebsebseb> Verruckter: yep
[22:52] <Verruckter> oh, awesome
[22:52] <megworld> abhishekiitd: is there a error message ?
[22:52] <sebsebseb> !asjk
[22:52] <sebsebseb> !ask
[22:52] <Louis> peacewise:  google or www.gnome-look.org
[22:52] <jdu> vitopoma, probably you can use the whole hd# syntax to specify where the os is, and then you are done.
[22:53] <abhishekiitd> megworld:could not open location emifreq-applet
[22:53] <caty> are there any good touch type progarms on ubuntu?
[22:53] <jdu> caty, to learn on?
[22:53] <zcat[1]> feature request; apt-get dist-downgrade ;)
[22:53] <caty> jdu, yep
[22:53] <megworld> abhishekiitd: can you please go to terminal and type emifre and then press tab
[22:53] <jdu> caty,  tuxtype  may be good for a kid
[22:53] <eilios> Hello, I have a kind of strange question. I was using the internet when all of a sudden everything crashed, but when I logged out and logged back in everything worked, and has worked for about an hour.
[22:54] <megworld> it should give the name full name incase there is more to add to it.
[22:54] <caty> jdu, any others
[22:54] <ActionParsnip1> eilios: read dmesg
[22:54] <ActionParsnip1> eilios: dmesg | less
[22:54] <zcat[1]> tuxtype sucks, to be blunt. someone needs to do a decent set of lessons
[22:54] <vitopoma> i wanted to boot a boot loader in a partition (sdc3) (hd2, 2) of my USB drive from the bootloader present in my sda drive (hd0,0)
[22:54] <jdu> caty, I know there is a gnu project one   gnutype?
[22:54] <megworld> eilios: that sounds like something wrong with Xorg
[22:54] <Verruckter> alright, heres my problem: I just install the nVidia drivers for my graphics card. That means I had to quit xserver (or something, I dont know much about ubuntu yet). now everything seems to have been successful, except for the fact that my resolution is very small and I cant change it in the resolution preferences. When I open the nvidia x server control panel, it tells me that Im not using the nVidia driver settings, and to resta
[22:54] <nightrid3r> caty: gcompriz has a who set of educational programs
[22:54] <zcat[1]> the program itself is good, but needs heaps more lessons seriously
[22:54] <eilios> The weird thing is I didn't use xfix
[22:54] <ActionParsnip1> vitopoma: then add the hd2,2 entry to the other menu.list
[22:55] <eilios> It just started back up
[22:55] <abhishekiitd> megworld:when i oressed tab it changed to emifreqd
[22:55] <caty> nightrid3r, ty
[22:55] <megworld> abhishekiitd: is that the program you where looking for ? sometims package names and the program name you run them by are different
[22:55] <Louis> are there any *nix programs comparable to LOIC in the repos?
[22:56] <RedMushroom> how do i delete a directory even if it's not empty?
[22:56] <CetiEel> Is there any nice comand I can use to find out what brand of graphics card I have? (I'm on my moms comp and have no clue of the specs so I'd like to know :P)
[22:56] <abhishekiitd> megworld:the package name is emifreq applet, but how can i  what is the program name to run by?
[22:57] <megworld> try doing alt + F2 and type what came up when you hit tab in terminal
[22:57] <nightrid3r> RedMushroom: rm -rf <dirname>
[22:57] <vitopoma> the problem is if there is a kernel upgrade in the distro i have in sdc, the menu.lst of sda isn't updated
[22:57] <Hassanakevazir> Verruckter, try running: sudo nvidia-xconfig
[22:57] <Verruckter> I did, it tells me its unable to write in directory etc/X11
[22:57] <abhishekiitd> megworld:nothing happened
[22:58] <abhishekiitd> megworld:not even an error message
[22:58] <RedMushroom> when i try "sudo rmdir -p /etc/ftpuser" i get an error saying the directory's not empty. how do i correct this?
[22:58] <Louis> Does anybody  know of an open source equivalent of  low-orbit ion cannon?
[22:58] <vitopoma> only that of sdc is automatically updated
[22:58] <zcat[1]> RedMushroom, sudo rm -rf /etc/ftpuser
[22:58] <ActionParsnip1> RedMushroom: if you are SURE you want the folder removing (as well as all its contents) i can advise
[22:58]  * RedMushroom facepalms at Louis
[22:59] <RedMushroom> zcat[1]: thanks
[22:59] <megworld> abhishekiitd: i think the program is running then
[22:59] <RedMushroom> ActionParsnip1: yeah, i'm uninstalling proftpd and it left a few things behind
[22:59] <zcat[1]> RedMushroom, just remember rm -rf never asks 'are you sure?'
[22:59] <Louis> RedMushroom:  i'm actualy dead serious.  pentesting purposes...
[22:59] <ActionParsnip1> RedMushroom: yep, thats it, just make sure you dont need anything in the folder at all
[22:59] <RedMushroom> i dont
[22:59] <abhishekiitd> megworld:even i think so, but i cant see it running!
[22:59] <beware> i think ubuntu has a religious hate for being logged in as root, because every single instruction involves "sudo" before the command
[22:59] <Louis> i wonder if it'll run in wine
[22:59] <ActionParsnip1> beware: its not hate, its smart
[23:00] <knoxville> security is key!
[23:00] <Verruckter> heh
[23:00] <ActionParsnip1> beware: it adds a tonne of security to your system, once you are setup you rarely need sudo
[23:00] <Verruckter> security is confusing :(
[23:00] <vitopoma> so if i don't change it manally sdc don't work after a kernel update
[23:00] <zcat[1]> beware, there's always sudo -i if you really must have a rootshell.. just don't blame us if you fat-finger your system
[23:00] <eilios> Beware: That's because ubuntu is designed to be easy to use, and people who need to use easier to use distros(instead of something like gentoo) generally shouldn't be fooling around with root.
[23:00] <ActionParsnip1> Verruckter: its easy, run as little as you can as root and you'll be ok
[23:00] <megworld> abhishekiitd: to check is a program is running go to terminal and type "ps aux | grep <program name>"
[23:00] <megworld> beware: you can keep a sudo'd terminal by sudo -i
[23:00] <peacewise> how to install compiz through terminal i tried... sudo apt-get install compiz but it gave me sum administrator msg..
[23:01] <beware> im really a debian person. i got into ubuntu sideways, so to speak
[23:01] <eilios> Peace: Can you give us the message?
[23:01] <Louis> peacewise:  what version of ubuntu are you running? compiz is included since hardy, i think...
[23:01] <ActionParsnip1> peacewise: sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[23:01] <megworld> peacewise: ubuntu comes with compiz allready installed please go to system > preferances > apperiance and then the last tab
[23:01] <Verruckter> I ran nvidia-xconfig as sudo and it worked, but not I still cant access my nvidia x server config
[23:01] <vitopoma> so if i don't change it manally sdc don't boot after a kernel update
[23:01] <Verruckter> now*
[23:02] <abhishekiitd> megworld:i got some reply after using that command, but how can i see the program window
[23:02] <zcat[1]> compiz is installed by default, just no way ofconfiguring it beyond the basic no/some/more effects
[23:02] <ActionParsnip1> Verruckter: you run it with gksudo
[23:02] <knoxville> why do you feel making a custom kernel is such a big deal?
[23:02] <eilios> Verru: It's in administration, are you admin?
[23:02] <Verruckter> yeah
[23:02] <Verruckter> I am
[23:02] <megworld> abhishekiitd: if you get more than two replys from it then its running
[23:02] <Verruckter> well heres the error I get word for word
[23:02] <jdwarta1> how do i make myself the admin?
[23:02] <megworld> if you only get 1 its not
[23:03] <ActionParsnip1> jdwarta1: sudo -i
[23:03] <vitopoma> because grub in sda doesn't know care about menu.lst in sdc
[23:03] <megworld> abhishekiitd: which reply will start with the user its running under
[23:03] <abhishekiitd> megworld:i got 6 replies, but where is the program window
[23:03] <ActionParsnip1> jdwarta1: provided your user is a member of the admin group (the first account you create is)
[23:03] <Hassanakevazir> Verruckter, what does it say when you run: gksudo nvidia-settings  ?
[23:03] <Verruckter> You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver. Please edit your X configuration (jusr run nvidia-xconfig as root) and restart  the x server
[23:03] <epqr_m> man i always ger thea
[23:03] <megworld> abhishekiitd: it could be a command line program or a underlieing one meaning there isnt one
[23:03] <ActionParsnip1> Verruckter: did you install nvidia drivers?
[23:03] <Verruckter> yes, I did
[23:04] <vitopoma> it is for this reason i wanted chainload grub ;)
[23:04] <epqr_m> these stupid problems with kubuntu
[23:04] <Verruckter> it says it backed up the file
[23:04] <jdwarta1> ActionParsnip1: idk.......i installed ubuntu about 5 days ago
[23:04] <jdwarta1> ActionParsnip1: so i guess i am admin
[23:04] <Verruckter> xorg.conf
[23:04] <ActionParsnip1> Verruckter: did you run sudo nvidia-xconfig then restart x server
[23:04] <Verruckter> uh
[23:04] <epqr_m> after an update i cant get a ui so to speak
[23:04] <Verruckter> how do you restart x server ?
[23:04] <ActionParsnip1> jdwarta1: then its already done, use sudo and gksudo for admin tasks
[23:04] <zcat[1]> ahhh well, I've managed to completely recover from my little screwup.. kernel and nvidia drivers all reinstalled, everything back to how it was.. now I have some dishes to do
[23:04] <RedMushroom> what's the command to remove a user?
[23:04] <zidan> hello all
[23:04] <epqr_m> only 'terrminal'
[23:04] <Verruckter> is it /etc/init.d/gdm retart
[23:04] <megworld> jdwarta1: by admin i think you mean root you dont run as root as its unsafe but root in the terminal can be achived by sudo
[23:04] <ActionParsnip1> Verruckter: ctrl+alt+backspace
[23:04] <Louis> hello zidan!
[23:04] <Verruckter> ah
[23:04] <Verruckter> ok then hold on
[23:04] <Hassanakevazir> Verruckter, save
[23:05] <W0rmDr1nk> hi
[23:05] <megworld> hello zidan
[23:05] <abhishekiitd> megworld:ok maybe.thanks a lot!
[23:05] <W0rmDr1nk> is there a good free offline dictionary ?
[23:05] <Hassanakevazir> Verruckter, save if you got anything
[23:05] <jdwarta1> ActionParsnip1: ok....whenever i turn on terminal, the first thing that i do is make myself root
[23:05] <megworld> abhishekiitd: your welcome
[23:05] <epqr_m> and when i type kdm or plasma it says the packages is not installed
[23:05] <jdwarta1> ActionParsnip1: saves time
[23:05] <ActionParsnip1> jdwarta1: no, you can ruin ownership of files with that
[23:05] <megworld> jdwarta1: thats not advisable you only need to be root for particular commands
[23:05] <jdwarta1> ActionParsnip1: i am the only user
[23:05] <ActionParsnip1> jdwarta1: no, as you dont need full acces for day to day tasks do you
[23:05] <Louis> jdwarta1:  terrible, terrible idea
[23:05] <jdwarta1> ActionParsnip1: ok, ok
[23:06] <ActionParsnip1> jdwarta1: you dont need root access for web browsing
[23:06] <jdwarta1> ActionParsnip1: lol
[23:06] <megworld> equally you shouldnt run commands with sudo without knowing what they do
[23:06] <jdwarta1> ok
[23:06] <jrib> s/with sudo//
[23:06] <ActionParsnip1> jdwarta1: thats why root is disabled, so new users dont log onto it and wreck their systems and expose themselves to pain
[23:06] <Louis> As a matter of interest... what exactly is the difference between root and sudo besides the sudo timeout?
[23:06] <jdwarta1> lol.......that's me
[23:07] <ActionParsnip1> jdwarta1: as i said, once the system is setup the only real time you'll need it is for updates
[23:07] <jdwarta1> ok
[23:07] <nightrid3r> jdwarta1: linux allows you to shoot in your foot, root allows you to shoot off your leg, chose wisely
[23:07] <megworld> Louis: nothing sudo is intended to run indervidual commands
[23:07] <jdwarta1> lol
[23:07] <Louis> megworld:  that's what i figured.  cool thanks!
[23:08] <vitopoma> why grub gives me error 2 when i try to chaiload it?
[23:08] <vitopoma> why grub gives me error 2 when i try to chainload it?
[23:08] <megworld> jdwarta1: there are some poeple around irc/forums and other places which seek to get you to run dangrous commands for this reason you only use root when you know what the command does
[23:08] <zidan> is root for getting permission
[23:08] <ultimatelifeform> Hey, will my GeForce GO 6150 card work with Ubuntu?
[23:08] <exodus_ms> !hardware
[23:08] <ActionParsnip1> ultimatelifeform: yep as i use one
[23:08] <ultimatelifeform> ActionParsnip1: what driver version?
[23:08] <megworld> a top tip is if the command has just / in it you should really request a secondry source to verify the command
[23:08] <ActionParsnip1> ultimatelifeform: sudo apt-get instal nvidia-glx-180; sudo nvidia-xconfig
[23:08] <epqr_m> zidan: root can mess with all files onthe system
[23:09] <Louis> zidan:  root gives you access to all files and directories in your installation.  needless to say it is very dangerous.  Use sudo instead
[23:09] <epqr_m> full premission
[23:09] <ultimatelifeform> ActionParsnip1: Ok, with SUSE I have to compile it and everything. :(
[23:09] <zidan> just what i thought
[23:09] <ultimatelifeform> And they're telling me that I can't do a one click install.
[23:09] <vitopoma> maybe usb hard disk is not supported in grub?
[23:09] <unop> Louis, that's as if to say sudo will protect you from all things dangerous :) when it doesn;t.
[23:09] <ActionParsnip1> ultimatelifeform: you can use the file from www.nvidia.com
[23:09] <ActionParsnip1> ultimatelifeform: in suse
[23:10] <Louis> unop:  right. i didn't mean to imply that... but if i'm not mistaken, sudo is considered to be preferable because of the timeout
[23:10] <Roasted> Shouldn't Linux computers be able to ping one another by hostname?? I cannot figure out for the life of me why I can only ping by ip
[23:10] <megworld> sudo is just as dangrous as su
[23:10] <Ned__> If I install windows 7 on virtualbox 2.0.4, then later upgrade to 2.1.4, is that going to be a problem?
[23:11] <Verruckter> aah
[23:11] <Verruckter> well, it seems to have worked
[23:11] <megworld> Ned__: shouldn't be i don't think
[23:11] <cjb_ie> Roasted: do your nameservers know about the hostnames?
[23:11] <unop> Louis, well, it's preferrable if you want to run something as another user (temporarily perhaps) - but it doesn't timeout when you do something like,   sudo -i
[23:11] <deany> Ned__, upgrade the guest additions, should be ok
[23:11] <Ned__> ok thanks
[23:11] <Verruckter> except I still get that error when I try to launch the nvidia x server settings
[23:11] <wyn> i lost my 8.10(64) internet connection after i install vmware workstation 6.5
[23:11] <Verruckter> but my resolution is fine now
[23:11] <Louis> unop:  right, but for most purposes, sudo -i is a bad idea, isn't it/
[23:12] <wyn> i uninstall the vmware but i still don't get back my internet connection
[23:12] <zidan> is anyone here running on a 64 bit version of linux
[23:12] <wyn> how can i troubleshoot it
[23:12] <unop> Louis, is it? that's a relative disposition .. you do need it sometimes. but it's so convenient, you don't want to build a habit out of it.
[23:12] <wyn> i can ping the gateway fine but i cannot go out to the internet
[23:13] <eseven73> !enter | wyn
[23:13] <vitopoma> is it possible chainload grub with grub?
[23:13] <Louis> unop:  i think we're actually in agreement here =)  sudo is preferable unless some third consideration makes sudo -i more convenient.
[23:13] <wyn> srry ubottu, i will do so to ur suggestion. a bit frustrated with the problem atm ....
[23:13] <Roasted> cjb_ie - What do you mean? I havent dealt with namservers...
[23:13] <Hassanakevazir> Verruckter, run: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf , then take a look under "Section "Device"" , what is the name of the Driver?
[23:14] <megworld> wyn: ubuntu is a bot
[23:14] <megworld> not ubuntu
[23:14] <eseven73> ubottu*
[23:14] <megworld> yeh
[23:14] <Navaz> Hello Room
[23:14] <eseven73> :)
[23:14] <megworld> thanks eseven73 =]
[23:14] <watermouf> hi i just installed ubuntu for the first time
[23:14] <megworld> hello Navaz
[23:14] <Navaz> This is a Navaz a new user (couple of days) in Ubuntu
[23:14] <Verruckter> it says "nvidia"
[23:14] <watermouf> can anybody give me some tips and hints
[23:14] <Navaz> Hello Megworld.
[23:14] <wyn> well, i gave my respect the bot ...
[23:14] <megworld> that you did =]
[23:14] <sebsebseb> Navaz: ok what do you want help with
[23:15] <Navaz> It sounds interesting to have Ubuntu 8.10 in my laptop
[23:15] <eilios> Water, the first thing you should do is install what you want
[23:15] <wyn> lol
[23:15] <watermouf> im running the updates now
[23:15] <unop> Louis, well, you could say that. but i'm not in favour of the argument that sudo should be favoured over other means of becoming the superuser .. if that makes sense?
[23:15] <watermouf> 287 of them
[23:15] <Navaz> Everything is fine but the internet connection is the trouble for me
[23:15] <zidan> i got it on my laptop=)
[23:15] <eilios> If you are more of a gamer you should get Wine on the computer
[23:15] <watermouf> running it on my laptop
[23:15] <eilios> If you like to chat get xchat
[23:15] <Navaz> UT-300R2U USB is the Modem model
[23:15] <watermouf> i have a nvidia card tho and the drivers wont download
[23:15] <eilios> Et cetera.
[23:15] <Navaz> I am from India
[23:15] <unop> Louis, it's off topic and against the channel's policy anyway ..
[23:15] <watermouf> from the built in drivers applications
[23:15] <Mike94287> Does anyone have a good printer recommendation? After switching to Ubuntu my Lexmark printer stopped working and I'm in need of a new one.
[23:15] <eilios> I have an nvidia card too
[23:15] <Hassanakevazir> Verruckter, then you are using the nvidia driver, I don't know what the nvidia-settings behaves that way, maybe a complete reboot? just guessing...
[23:16] <Hassanakevazir> why*
[23:16] <Louis> unop:  yeah i see what you're saying.  I tend to be too careful anyway =)  Anyway, we can leave it at that
[23:16] <watermouf> its a geforce go 6150 i think
[23:16] <Navaz> I use BSNL as my internet connection with UT-300R2U USB modem
[23:16] <eilios> Hmm
[23:16] <eilios> Try using envy
[23:16] <Navaz> However, the connection is greyed out...
[23:16] <watermouf> whats envy ?
[23:16] <watermouf> the driver apps suggests a new driver
[23:16] <Navaz> Any help would be greatly appreicatable.
[23:16] <Louis> !envy|watermouf
[23:16] <Navaz> I have few documents but nothing helped me as such
[23:16] <Verruckter> yeah, well, when I rebooted xserver, I had that window prompt where it asked my to chose the driver according to the card series and the monitor model I had
[23:16] <watermouf> but when i go to acitivate it starts to download and just cancels out
[23:16] <Louis> watermouf:  that said, i use it on many machines
[23:16] <Verruckter> I chose all of them carefully, I'
[23:16] <eilios> Hmm
[23:16] <eilios> That happens sometimes
[23:17] <Verruckter> sorry, i'll try to reboot*
[23:17] <eilios> The update fixed that for me
[23:17] <watermouf> any idea why the standard method fails ?
[23:17] <Ned__> I'm using xchat and I  can't get the timestamp to work. I typed '/set stamp_text_format = %H:%M:%S' but nothing happens
[23:17] <eilios> Water
[23:17] <eseven73> don't use spaces
[23:17] <eilios> I had that problem
[23:17] <eilios> The update fixed it
[23:18] <Navaz> Any help guys?
[23:18] <watermouf> thats what i figured
[23:18] <watermouf> thought i would jump into a chatroom find some info
[23:18] <watermouf> while its loading
[23:18] <watermouf> i have never ran linux before
[23:18] <fx3> Ned__, works fine for me, whats happening on yours?
[23:18] <knoxville> watermouf, Woo Woo! linux!
[23:18] <Louis> watermouf, you came to the right place
[23:18] <watermouf> i still have xp on dual boot
[23:18] <knoxville> Linux is where hopes and dreams come true!
[23:19] <watermouf> but hopefully i can merge over to ubuntu
[23:19] <eilios> Watermouf, if you find yourself stressed out in the terminal type "apt-get moo"
[23:19] <eilios> Without quotations
[23:19] <Ned__> fx3, nothing happens...no timestamp...that's the problem
[23:19] <knoxville> watermouf, thats fine, most people do at first
[23:19] <JessicaParker> can anyone assist on the best partition sizes for a new ubuntu server installation - just need some advice ?
[23:19] <JessicaParker> thanks
[23:19] <knoxville> watermouf, learn about virtualization so you can run multiple os at same time
[23:19] <watermouf> the terminal seems to be the dos of ubuntu correct ?
[23:19] <Louis> watermouf:  actually a lot of seasoned *nix users have a small windows partition... you just never know when you'll need to run some obscure software
[23:19] <ActionParsnip1> !ask | Navaz
[23:19] <knoxville> watermouf, yes sir, but better ;)
[23:19] <fx3> Ned__, /set stamp_log = on
[23:19] <swearengen> server s
[23:19] <eseven73> !cli | watermouf
[23:19] <ActionParsnip1> watermouf: kinda but terminal has a million times more power
[23:20] <watermouf> it reminds me of logging into cisco routers
[23:20] <fx3> Ned__, eeeer hold on
[23:20] <thebackwash> jessicapa: maybe you can tell us a little more about what you're doing with the machine
[23:20] <fx3> Ned__, /set stamp_text = on
[23:20] <clouder`grr> is there a difference between dvd-rw and dvd+rw in terms of bootable, longevity, or anything other than just ensuring your writer supports it?
[23:20] <fx3> Ned__, this isnt really an ubuntu specific question, however, ill let you off this time
[23:20] <ActionParsnip1> watermouf: i think cisco uses a modifed unix os of sorts
[23:20] <Ned__> fx3 ok...sorry
[23:20] <watermouf> so is there a online refrence somebody could refer me too that could help me get famiralized with the terminal
[23:20] <watermouf> im a dos expert lol
[23:20] <swearengen> anyone here use mindmapping software
[23:20] <fx3> Ned__, but did that work for you?
[23:20] <swearengen> freemind doesnt seem to do well in ubuntu
[23:21] <thebackwash> watermouf: softpanarama.org
[23:21] <Ned__> fx3 no it didn't
[23:21] <swearengen> watermouf: I like ss64.com/bash
[23:21] <jdwarta> how can i adjust partion sizes at this point?  I would like to reduce the space alotted for XP and let ubuntu have more space
[23:21] <thebackwash> watermouf: has some great tutorials
[23:21] <watermouf> thank u
[23:21] <eseven73> clouder`grr, good question, I never could figure out whats the diff of dvd/cd + RW and dvd/cd -RW
[23:21] <fx3> Ned__,
[23:21] <eseven73> both have 'rw'
[23:21] <Louis> watermouf:  well you can google tutorials of basic terminal commands, but at the end of the day, the more you use the terminal (and look up specific commands), the more comfortable you'll get with it
[23:21] <RedMushroom> how do i search for things i can install with sudo apt-get install?
[23:21] <ActionParsnip1> clouder`grr: i think its a layout thing, 2 standards were released and both were taken equally, new drives can use both equally, neither is any better
[23:21] <fx3> Ned__, /set stamp_text = 1
[23:21] <ActionParsnip1> RedMushroom: apt-cache search <something>
[23:21] <watermouf> and is there a way for me to access my ntfs files from within ubuntu
[23:21] <RedMushroom> ie, i know which program, just not what it's named in there
[23:21] <RedMushroom> thanks
[23:21] <clouder`grr> ActionParsnip1: alright thanks
[23:22] <ActionParsnip1> !ntfs-3g | watermouf
[23:22] <Louis> watermouf:  ntfs partitions should be mountable
[23:22] <thebackwash> redmushro: apt-get list | grep THE_PACKAGE_YOU'RE_LOOKING_FOR
[23:22] <jdwarta> watermouf: yes
[23:22] <Verruckter> heh, didnt work. I still get that message and for some reason when I rebooted it sent me to that other window where you chose your driver and monitor settings
[23:22] <watermouf> u guys are to helpful
[23:22] <Louis> we try =)
[23:22] <watermouf> def saving this room for future
[23:22] <timeouter> hi
[23:22] <jdwarta> watermouf: go to your home folder
[23:22] <Ned__> fx3, that didn't work either...funny thing is, every time I type a command, I get a response saying '....set to...', as if the timestamp was set...but nothing happens
[23:22] <timeouter> how can i find out the video card in my system ?
[23:22] <watermouf> okay im in home
[23:23] <timeouter> via shell
[23:23] <Louis> timeouter:  lspci is a good start
[23:23] <ActionParsnip1> timeouter: lspci | grep -i vga
[23:23] <jdwarta> watermouf: now in the tree, click file system
[23:23] <fx3> Ned__, check the stuff written when you type /set on its own
[23:23] <jdwarta> watermouf: then click host
[23:23] <watermouf> fantastic
[23:23] <watermouf> woohoo im a linux expert
[23:23] <jdwarta> watermouf: quite easy!
[23:23] <jdwarta> watermouf: lol
[23:23] <watermouf> yeah i have to learn all the folders and stuff
[23:24] <timeouter> guess it's a Radeon 8500 LE then
[23:24] <watermouf> this reminds me a lot of os x
[23:24] <timeouter> thanks ActionParsnip1
[23:24] <eseven73> directories*
[23:24] <swearengen> In GParted it shows /dev/sda1 (where cough "vista" is and I assume boot) and then /dev/sda2/ as an extended file system then sda5 (jaunty beta fresh install) sda6 linux swap and sda7 (formatted to ext3) im trying to put the space that was sda7 (originally intrepid before formatting + supergrub restoring) into this partition
[23:24] <eseven73> not folders
[23:24] <watermouf> i have been a windows guys since 3.11
[23:24] <eseven73> ;)
[23:24] <spaceBARbarian> how can i change the minimum required length for a password ?
[23:24] <jdwarta> watermouf: me 2
[23:24] <watermouf> never could get use to the mac
[23:24] <x0d> vista?  what's vista?
[23:24] <jdwarta> watermouf: i love the mac
[23:24] <watermouf> i ran ubuntu in vmware and decided i want it on
[23:24] <timeouter> could it be a Radeon 9800 ?
[23:24] <fx3> jdwarta, right on !
[23:24] <jdwarta> watermouf: then i used XP for 3 years
[23:24] <nightrid3r> watermouf: jdwarta osx is based on bsd which is similar to linux
[23:24] <jdwarta> watermouf: now Ubuntu
[23:24] <watermouf> i mean on the mac i double click the title bars to maximize and it does the opposite
[23:25] <Leemp> Anyone using the ubuntu beta? Any comments on its stability?
[23:25] <eseven73> its good
[23:25] <swearengen> i dual boot because i need MS Office for work leave mah alone ! =P
[23:25] <eseven73> but don't talk about it here
[23:25] <eseven73> !jaunty
[23:25] <Louis> nightrid3r:  i thought the only similarity was posix compliance?
[23:25] <watermouf> i knew osx was linux based
[23:25] <Leemp> eseven73: Thanks
[23:25] <Shinu> !free
[23:25] <eilios> Water: Ubuntu is a huge step up from mac. Mac focuses on making their system usable out of the box, but they don't let you configure your system. With linux you can configure nearly anything.
[23:25] <watermouf> ubuntu is closer to osx than windows
[23:25] <eilios> Watermouf: If you want it to be more like windows try KDE
[23:25] <watermouf> but has almost a perfect combination of the two
[23:25] <thebackwash> watermouf: check out windowshade x for mac
[23:25] <jdwarta> watermouf: maybe i have an advantage......a mac was my first computer
[23:25] <nightrid3r> Louis: i mean look and feel
[23:25] <swearengen> so just because i mentioned this was jaunty you guys wont help me extend the partition?
[23:25] <jdwarta> watermouf: GO MAC!!!
[23:26] <x0d> Freedom is best when its both free as in speech and free as in beer
[23:26] <Louis> nightrid3r:  you mean with gnome?
[23:26] <eseven73> I think osx is based on UNIX not Linux. least thats what ive always thought
[23:26] <thebackwash> watermouf: it will let you change the minimization behavior, including classic macos-style windowshade
[23:26] <watermouf> i dunno the difference between unix or linux
[23:26] <ActionParsnip1> os x is based on BSD
[23:26] <nightrid3r> Louis: nuder the hood (cli, file structure ...)
[23:26] <spaceBARbarian> how can i change the minimum required length for a password ?
[23:26] <watermouf> so sorry for the wrong termonology
[23:26] <thebackwash> ok all i got a thought
[23:26] <x0d> jdwarta: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system)
[23:26] <thebackwash> see what you think
[23:26] <fx3> eilios, still, i hate the fact that all linux window managers try to impersonate windows, like, none that do what macs have, use of keyboard, the app windows, etc
[23:26] <Roasted> In XP, you can ping other computers by hostname just fine. In Linux, I'm trying to ping another Linux computer on the network I cannot, yet pinging by IP works. Does Linux not support pinging by hostname or something???
[23:27] <watermouf> from what i understand linux/unix is just the terminal
[23:27] <watermouf> ubuntu is like a fancy gui
[23:27] <watermouf> am i correct
[23:27] <eseven73> nope
[23:27] <jdwarta> my headphones don't work consistantly!!
[23:27] <eilios> Fx: I don't like KDE personally.
[23:27] <ActionParsnip1> !ot | fx3
[23:27] <thebackwash> that merely by its existence, free software allows its users the same freedoms even if they don't personally use it
[23:27] <thebackwash> what do you guys think?
[23:27] <thebackwash> like for example
[23:27] <evantandersen> where is my libnl file in ubuntu?
[23:27] <thebackwash> if people want to be free, they ARE just by the existence of free software
[23:28] <adi1> hi all
[23:28] <agrume> roasterd I can ping other computer by linux
[23:28] <ActionParsnip1> Roasted: ive seen this, is your routers ip listed in /etc/resolv.conf
[23:28] <fx3> Roasted, in windows you are pinging by NetBIOS name, or something, so linux uses only propper DNS resolving. Computer names wont work in linux unless you run a DNS server
[23:28] <thebackwash> like, you can choose to exercise your freedom of speech, or not, but it's still there regardless
[23:28] <jdwarta> x0d: have u read about NExT?    great little program
[23:28] <slerder> Hey guys I have a truecrypt volume (an entire partition) and it doesnt show up in ubuntu "Computer" where all the rest of the drives are. Howver when I made a new partition and then encrypted it with truecrypt this one does show up in ubuntu and windows. Any idea on how to make the partition not show up anywhere? thanks
[23:28] <ActionParsnip1> fx3: most routers can perform a basic dns
[23:28] <agrume> roasted: what is your problem exactly?
[23:28] <x0d> Nextstep?
[23:28] <jdwarta> x0d:  if Steve Jobs hadn't been so stuborn, thats what we would all be using instead of XP
[23:29] <fx3> Roasted, a quick fix would be to add the hosts you want to /etc/resolv.conf
[23:29] <fx3> ActionParsnip1, i have never got that to work, if you can explain it to Roasted and me i would be very glad =)
[23:29] <watermouf> anyway i can turn off annoucnemnts for people entering and exiting this room
[23:29] <watermouf> im using pigdin the default chat client
[23:29] <jdwarta> watermouf: good question
[23:29] <adi1> does anybody noticed that in epiphany browser you cant modify anything in about:config...
[23:29] <ActionParsnip1> Roasted: fx3: gksudo gedit /etc/resolv.conf
[23:29] <Zirg> Hey Gang. Attempted to update LTS to LTS (via the net) and am having major difficulties. Can someone look at this paste with me and suggest a way to overcome these dependency failures??
[23:29] <mrsteveman1> Roasted: go into your routers control panel and you should be able to add a hostname mapping
[23:29] <adi1> is anyone fmailiar with this bug
[23:29] <Zirg> http://rafb.net/p/au0GRS14.html
[23:29] <Mike94287> Does anyone have a good printer recommendation?  Attempted to update LTS to LTS (via the net) and am having major difficulties. Can someone look at this paste with me and suggest a way to overcome these dependency failures??    http://rafb.net/p/au0GRS14.html
[23:30] <watermouf> this is linux tho right
[23:30] <ActionParsnip1> Roasted: fx3: add a line     nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>      assuming thats your routers ip
[23:30] <Zirg> (fam dingers, anyhow)
[23:30] <watermouf> i was told we can customize anything
[23:30] <fx3> ActionParsnip1, ill pretend to read that as sudo vi /etc/resolv.conf
[23:30] <watermouf> :P
[23:30] <ActionParsnip1> fx3: whatever editor floats your boat
[23:30] <eilios> Water: Try Xchat
[23:30] <Ned__> watermouf, yeah if your screen is small its hard to keep up
[23:30] <watermouf> well im on a laptop running 800X600 cuz of my video driver situation
[23:30] <eilios> Xchat is the mIRC of cross-platform clients
[23:31] <ActionParsnip1> watermouf: the linux bit is the kernel, the thing around it is a distribution of linux
[23:31] <fx3> ActionParsnip1, yea, got the line there from the start, anything else?
[23:31] <watermouf> that was my other question any good website with database of linux software
[23:31] <ActionParsnip1> fx3: that should do it
[23:31] <deany> Xchat is free mind you on linux, and not on windows.
[23:31] <adi1> anyone use epiphany browser here?
[23:31] <Ned__> I tried chatting on pidgin and didn't like it
[23:31] <watermouf> i just dont want to install a ton of software off the bat
[23:31] <ActionParsnip1> Ned__: thats like marmite, either love it or hate it
[23:31] <fx3> ActionParsnip1, hmm, perhaps my router is *too* basic ?
[23:31] <watermouf> another question sorry
[23:31] <popey> yum!
[23:31] <deany> Chatzilla is good too.
[23:32] <popey> (marmite hilight)
[23:32] <watermouf> if i install at ton of software
[23:32] <watermouf> and unistall
[23:32] <watermouf> do they leave fingerprints
[23:32] <watermouf> like windows unisntalls always do
[23:32] <Roasted> ActionParsnip1 - I'm confused over something. Say I would set up a network of 2,000 Ubuntu machines. Essentially, unless I edited each one, I wouldn't be able to ping ANY of them without the IP. Right?
[23:32] <FloodBot2> watermouf: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:32] <deany> only in ~
[23:32] <popey> watermouf: no, not if you purge them
[23:32] <ActionParsnip1> fx3: possibly, i use hosts files anyhoo, all my desktops are on static so it makes stuff fastter for resolving names
[23:32] <eilios> Water: That's a windows issue.
[23:32] <jdwarta> deany: what is the command-line code to install Xchat
[23:32] <Louis> watermouf:  the only thing which i believe is left behind is configuration files.  try "sudo apt-get remove --purge"
[23:32] <mythman> Had a brain fade how do I install Mythbuntu on a Ubuntu 8.10 desktop install
[23:32] <watermouf> sorry!
[23:32] <eilios> sudo apt-get install xchat
[23:32] <popey> watermouf: in fact if you autoremove they remote the package and the dependants
[23:32] <nightrid3r> fx3: if your router is to basic you can use these nameservers <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:32] <Ned__> ActionParsnip1, are there people in here that actually prefers chatting on IRC on pidgin to other clients?
[23:32] <deany> they usually leave a .name in your home folder.. even with purge.
[23:32] <fx3> ActionParsnip1, ahh, fair enough, cant use that in my situation
[23:32] <deany> sadly
[23:32] <ActionParsnip1> Ned__: i do
[23:33] <eilios> Jd: Sudo apt-get install xchat
[23:33] <Ned__> ActionParsnip1, I see
[23:33] <fx3> nightrid3r, what i ment is local area network resolution, like XP is able to do, not the whole internet DNS thing
[23:33] <watermouf> but the unistalls arent as messy and windows ? where it leaves dll and other strange shit in 10 different folders
[23:33] <ultimatelifeform> can I get my broadcom 43xx and nVidia graphics card working in Kubuntu 8.04?
[23:33] <deany> watermouf, not at all
[23:33] <nightrid3r> fx3: sorry, my bad
[23:33] <craig131_> I would switch to ubuntu if iTunes worked on it
[23:33] <ActionParsnip1> Ned__: i use about 7 of its other protocols so its nonesensical to use an extra app when the pidgin i use for the other chats does what i need for irc
[23:33] <eilios> Water: Try to watch the language, but that is not the case
[23:33] <deany> watermouf, only talkin config files, for your particular user.
[23:33] <Louis> craig131_  have you tried songbird or amarok?
[23:34] <Roasted> ActionParsnip1 - Was I correct?
[23:34] <mrwes> +1 on Pidgin -- not bad for irc
[23:34] <deany> easy to just rm -rf .name
[23:34] <fx3> watermouf, sometime programs leave configuration files that have been edited after installation, but thats not a problem since they arent executed or anything, most of them reside in the /etc folder
[23:34] <jdwarta> craig131_: I like amarok
[23:34] <Louis> watermouf:  afaik, no.  uninstalls are very clean in linux. this is because of shared libraries, as i understand it
[23:34] <aaronator> hi everyone
[23:35] <ActionParsnip1> Roasted: then you would need to edit your dhcp servers to give out the info for dns servers, you should also run a dns server to speed up name resolution
[23:35] <eilios> Hello.
[23:35] <thebackwash> aaronator: yo
[23:35]  * PhxMan needs help disabeling screensaver through a command line. Once I enter the screensaver program my computer locks "molecules" freezes everything
[23:35] <craig131_> @louis: yea but I'd like to use the iTunes store
[23:35] <RedWar> Guys, out of everyone here, Iam sure that some ppl here have played eve online, anyone here ever able to get the last version working here?
[23:35] <aaronator> how's the support going today
[23:35] <eilios> RedWar: Try WINE
[23:35] <Louis> craig131_  aaah... you pay for music =)
[23:35] <Roasted> ActionParsnip1 - I'm just confused over how XP does this out of the box but it seems like a lot of editing is needed JUST to enable Linux machines to ping one another by hostname, which I find kind of ridiculous.
[23:35] <fx3> aaronator, ask a question and we'll see ;)
[23:36] <Ned__> ActionParsnip1, ok, sorry for assuming not many people like it
[23:36] <ActionParsnip1> Roasted: why cant windows mount iso without the need for extra software
[23:36] <mrwes> heh
[23:36] <eilios> Louis: Why do you prefer iTunes? MagnaTune is pretty good.
[23:36] <RedWar> Elllod is that actually working for u?
[23:36] <jdwarta_> i think i like pidgin better
[23:36] <watermouf> so what are other popular linux distrubutions
[23:36] <ActionParsnip1> Roasted: its a different OS with different quirks
[23:36] <mrwes> or read PDF's
[23:36] <watermouf> i have heard of redhat for years
[23:36] <ActionParsnip1> Ned__: i love it
[23:36] <Roasted> ActionParsnip1 - Yeah yeah, I understand that, but something like a simple networking option like PING you'd think would logically be set up already.
[23:36] <craig131_> @louis haha yep I'm old fashioned
[23:36] <ActionParsnip1> Ned__: assume nothing
[23:36] <Louis> eilios:  i don't use itunes...
[23:36] <fx3> Roasted, XP uses a proprietary name resolution protocol on top of DNS, it is both slow and buggy, implementing it in linux would be a waste, Choose DNS
[23:36] <mrsteveman1> Roasted: as stated before, Windows is using WINS, not DNS, to resolve those computer names
[23:36] <eilios> Louis: Pardon, Craig.
[23:36] <TeamColtra> Hey I have a weird problem and I do not even know how to really discribe it: Currently I am putting Ubuntu on a laptop of mine, and when it first installs (and in LiveCD) the desktop goes off the screen (like its too big to fit). So I found the proper resolution and set it to that; but now my screen has like 4 copies of itself in strips accross the screen, and there is lines through it
[23:36] <mrsteveman1> Linux does implement WINS, its part of samba
[23:36] <aaronator> fx3: how can I upgrade the firmware on my scr331 smartcard reader without using a windows box
[23:36] <Roasted> mrsteveeman1 - Ahh, I forgot about wins...
[23:36] <Louis> eilios!  how dare you! =)
[23:37] <eilios> :(
[23:37] <eilios> "P
[23:37] <eilios> Oh dear, my typing is seriously off today
[23:37] <fx3> aaronator, ummm, no idea sorry =)
[23:37] <PhxMan> Does anyone know how to delete the preferences from screensaver or disable screen saver without opening the program? It locks my computer everytime it runs!!!
[23:37] <craig131_> Lol
[23:37] <Roasted> ActionParsnip1 - So more or less, if I had 2 thousand Ubuntu machines to set up, what would I have to do to enable each one to ping one another by hostname?
[23:37] <ActionParsnip1> Roasted: maybe your system needs extra stuff to resolve the name, maybe your router is lacking something, who knows
[23:37] <ActionParsnip1> Roasted: works fine here
[23:37] <aaronator> ^^;
[23:37] <Zirg> what does the error     cannot configure (current status `config-files')    mean to me? is it trying to tell me that some config files needs handled, somewhere? (no curses windows are open)
[23:37] <Roasted> ActionParsnip1 - You have two Ubuntu machines on your LAN that can pign one another by hostname??
[23:38] <ActionParsnip1> Roasted: indeed
[23:38] <RedWar> Everytime I have tried to  install, it gets stuck
[23:38] <mrsteveman1> Roasted: if you had 2000 ubuntu machines to setup, you would probably be using a directory service, which would include identity management and a domain server
[23:38] <martinkoelewijn> PhxMan: use top, check what process uses all your cpu and kill with "kill pid", pid being the pid number, the first number on the line
[23:38] <Roasted> ActionParsnip1 - Well, that only enrages me. I have no idea what's messed up with my LAN then. Even my iBook cannot ping by hostname to my Ubuntu machines.
[23:38] <ActionParsnip1> Roasted: i'd run a local dns server for anything more than 10 systems for name resolutions
[23:38] <fx3> Roasted, if you want this kind of functionality out of the box you should look at something like mDNS responder, or something alike. ZeroConf DNS or something
[23:38] <Roasted> ActionParsnip1 - Are you running a DNS server now? Or do you just have a simple lan with a router?
[23:39] <ActionParsnip1> Roasted: check in your router for dhcp clients and it should be listed
[23:39] <Aquahallic> Afternoon folks
[23:39] <PhxMan> Hey Martinkoelewij. what is top? Once the screensaver starts I can't do anything like try to kill the program
[23:39] <ultimatelifeform> can I get my nVidia card and Broadcom wireless working in Kubuntu 8.04?
[23:39] <ActionParsnip1> Roasted: i have a dns on my fileserver, speeds up web browsing slightly
[23:39] <martinkoelewijn> PhxMan: in Preferences > screensaver you can modify settings, or is that freezing?
[23:39] <ActionParsnip1> Roasted: so everything i need is in there
[23:39] <Roasted> ActionParsnip1 - I did, Im looking at my router's DHCP table right now. I can see all of the computers DHCP IP address and the computer name of each. Yet I CANNOT ping any of them on my Ubuntu machine, whether it's another Ubuntu computer or XP, but I CAN ping all of them via IP.
[23:40] <ultimatelifeform> can I get my nVidia card and Broadcom wireless working in Kubuntu 8.04?
[23:40] <ActionParsnip1> Roasted: then i dont know what to advise
[23:40] <TeamColtra> Honestly, if someone could tell me simply what to call the screen doing what its doing.. because googling "weird screen resoultion" is a bit broad :P
[23:40] <Aquahallic> I compiled a driver for a hauppauge card using V4L that was not in the ubuntu package list.. I now need to remove it.... I did a Make && Make Install... how would I go about uninstalling this driver and kernel modules?
[23:40] <PhxMan> martinkoelewijn:  yes even that freezes....
[23:40] <Zirg> ultimatelifeform, i've used both, w/o issue in 8.04 and up
[23:40] <ActionParsnip1> ultimatelifeform: sure, what broadcom chip?
[23:40] <Roasted> ActionParsnip1 - Are you suggesting that if my router can pick up the computer hostnames + DHCP IP addresses then there's no reason why my Ubuntu computer cannot ping another computer on the LAN via hostname?
[23:40] <fx3> Roasted, i believe this is what you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToZeroconf
[23:40] <ultimatelifeform> broadcom 43xx
[23:40] <ActionParsnip1> !broadcom | ultimatelifeform
[23:40] <PhxMan> martinkoelewijn: it's because it tries to start running "molecules" screen saver which must be too much for my PC to handle so I'm trying to disable it
[23:41] <ultimatelifeform> kk
[23:41] <ActionParsnip1> Roasted: if its in the router it should be translatable
[23:41] <mrsteveman1> Roasted: run hostname on the machine you are trying to ping with, if it doesn't know it is supposed to be part of a domain it won't know how to resolve a single hostname
[23:41] <ultimatelifeform> Thanks guys.
[23:41] <PhxMan> does that make sense?
[23:41] <PhxMan> martinkoelewijn:
[23:41] <ultimatelifeform> Going in to install now.
[23:41] <jdwarta> my headphones work sparaticly........help!!
[23:41] <martinkoelewijn> PhxMan: folder /usr/lib/xscreensaver contains your screensavers. You can empty that.
[23:41] <PhxMan> I don't have that folder
[23:41] <ActionParsnip1> Roasted: i'm not the best guy to ask as i like to configure my systems fully myself so everything is under control. i hate automagic stuff.
[23:41] <PhxMan> i've looked for it
[23:41] <RedMushroom> i've messed up the permissions on my /etc/ directory, and don't know what to put into chmod to put them back to they way they're supposed to be
[23:42] <RedMushroom> can anyone tell me please?
[23:42] <the_padawan> msg NickServ identify aniket2
[23:42] <RedMushroom> 8-|
[23:42] <fx3> ActionParsnip1, thats fine if you run 5 or so machines, when you got a massive network it becomes a headache =)
[23:42] <RedMushroom> wrong window padawan, change your pw quick
[23:42] <ActionParsnip1> RedMushroom: heres mine: http://pastebin.com/fd91d8e7
[23:43] <PhxMan> martinkoelewijn:  oh woops I do have that folder. I just can't delete anything (how do i get root permissions?)
[23:43] <spunk> RedMushroom: 755 on directories, 644 on files.
[23:43] <Roasted> I'm still just kind of surprised that Ubuntu can't handle this out of the box. I thought something as simple as ping via hostname would work fine. I mean I can ping web sites by their domain name, I just can't ping local computers on my router, which is laughable and confusing.
[23:43] <mrwes> RedMushroom, I believe /etc is 0755
[23:43] <ActionParsnip1> Roasted: maybe you just need some small extra config adding, log a bug
[23:43] <nightrid3r> Roasted: the problem is in your router, not in ubuntu
[23:43] <martinkoelewijn> PhxMan:  you need root right for that, be careful with that though. Use gksudo nautilus. Better first try to find useful key in gconf editor
[23:43] <ActionParsnip1> Roasted: loggin bugs gets things fixed
[23:43] <RedWar> Is there a wine channel?
[23:43] <RedMushroom> thanks. is there any way to specify how to make that work?
[23:44] <Roasted> nightrid3r - it's a problem with my... router??
[23:44] <kerlo> Ello. Quite often, applications that are supposed to produce sound don't. Rebooting usually fixes the problem. No, it's not something silly; both mute controls are off, all three volume controls are turned up, and my headphones are not broken.
[23:44] <jrib> Roasted: well are you using your router for dns?
[23:44] <ActionParsnip1> RedWar: #winehq
[23:44] <PhxMan> martinkoelewijn:  I just switched to ubuntu from winXP so that made no sense to me :-)
[23:44] <Roasted> jrib - Yes. My router shows all of the computer names and IPs of the DHCP clients on the network.
[23:44] <Roasted> int he dHCP client table
[23:44] <martinkoelewijn> PhxMan: wait up, I'm searching
[23:44] <RedWar> Thanks Roasted.
[23:44] <eilios> Phx, you know how windows makes the first user "admin" and gives him right to do everything?
[23:44] <PhxMan> martinkoelewijn: thank you
[23:44] <spunk> RedMushroom: Actually, if you make them all 755 you'll be fine I think.
[23:44] <kerlo> In Sound Preferences, there are various options, including ALSA and OSS; clicking "Test" on some of these produces no sound, and on the others it produces an error message.
[23:44] <cjb_ie> Roasted: well then your router should be passing that info on
[23:44] <jrib> Roasted: meh, should work then.  wfm
[23:44] <PhxMan> yes elios
[23:45] <ttl2> i want to copy my entire linux filesystem to a backup drive, are there any speed differences between using cp and rsync? what would be the fastest tool to use in order to do this.
[23:45] <spunk> RedMushroom: chmod -R 755 /etc/*
[23:45] <eilios> The idea of linux is the admin is a seperate account that other users can use
[23:45] <ActionParsnip1> Roasted: can you nslookup the name
[23:45] <eilios> Sudo basically tells root(admin) to do something
[23:45] <eilios> It keeps users from accidentally destroying their computer because of admin rights
[23:45] <fx3> Roasted, did you read the link i posted to you? mdns is installed by default and just needs enabling. please see if this is what you require
[23:45] <PhxMan> hmmm so can I sudo without using the terminal? Like can i enable that idea in a folder window?
[23:45] <whileimhere> hi there. how do I get the pkg manager to update to the newest ubuntu
[23:45] <mrwes> RedMushroom, add sudo in front of that
[23:45] <jrib> !upgrade | whileimhere
[23:45] <palomer> how do I switch my system to icewm?
[23:45] <RedMushroom> yup
[23:45] <eilios> gksudo is like that
[23:46] <PhxMan> how do u run that
[23:46] <eilios> Type gksudo nautilus
[23:46] <ActionParsnip1> palomer: install icewm, log off, set session type to icewm, log on
[23:46] <mkasson> how do I move icons/widgets around on my "taskbar" (panel?)
[23:46] <PhxMan> OK I just ran it
[23:46] <RedMushroom> crap, sudo doesn't work anymore
[23:46] <Roasted> jrib - So you are saying that sinc emy router is logging the information (host names, ip addresses) that my router should be working fine with Ubuntu pinging other computers on the LAN via hostname?
[23:46] <mrwes> ActionParsnip1, will icewm automatically be added to the gdm options?
[23:47] <ActionParsnip1> mrwes: depends how its installed, i'd imagine so
[23:47] <RedMushroom> what's the default su password?
[23:47] <u22> Where can I find the files that describe various keymaps, such as us_dvorak?
[23:47] <jrib> Roasted: I use my router as the dns server and it works that way yes
[23:47] <ActionParsnip1> Roasted: if you nslookup the ubuntu hostname, does it work ok
[23:47] <jrib> !root | RedMushroom
[23:47] <spunk> RedMushroom: boot a live CD and fix it.
[23:47] <cchaos> hello
[23:47] <mrsteveman1> Roasted: your router/dhcp server needs to be sending your client machines a search domain
[23:47] <ActionParsnip1> RedMushroom: there isnt one, use  sudo -i   instead
[23:47] <whileimhere> Hi again sorry those links for upgrading show me how to upgrade to 8.10 not the newest version I am at 8.10
[23:47] <Roasted> jason@skynet:~$ nslookup UbuntuFOGDesktop
[23:47] <Roasted> Server:		<IP_ADDRESS>
[23:47] <Roasted> Address:	<IP_ADDRESS>#53
[23:47] <Roasted> ** server can't find UbuntuFOGDesktop: NXDOMAIN
[23:47] <Roasted> jason@skynet:~$
[23:47] <FloodBot2> Roasted: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:47] <Roasted> '
[23:48] <jrib> whileimhere: 8.10 is the newest version.
[23:48] <martinkoelewijn> PhxMan: do ALT+F2, type gconf and click the app Configuration editor. On the left, open apps>gnome-screensaver and there you have your settings
[23:48] <ActionParsnip1> Roasted: is that right?
[23:48] <whileimhere> I thought there was a 9.04 coming out
[23:48] <mrsteveman1> Roasted: what kind of router is this
[23:48] <jrib> whileimhere: yes, it's still in development
[23:48] <jrib> !jaunty | whileimhere
[23:48] <Roasted> ActionParsnip1 - Can you hear me?
[23:48] <ActionParsnip1> Roasted: can now
[23:48] <RedMushroom> ActionParsnip1: i can't use sudo anymore because when i did chmod -R 775 on /etc/ it changed the permission on the program. grr. so that means i have to boot from the live cd and change the chmod again, doesnt it?
[23:48] <PhxMan> "Could not open location gconf"
[23:49] <Roasted> The filters on these channels need to be changed. I cant tell you how many times I got banned in here for the most laughable reasons.
[23:49] <Roasted> ANYWAY..
[23:49] <Brad777> Hello I'm having a slight problem for some reason when I'm using the ondemand setting in the CPU scaling governor the processor just stays at 1GHz all the time even when i open up nexuiz in insane quality and then I get really low fps
[23:49] <Roasted> mrsteveman1 - Linksys WRT54G
[23:49] <ActionParsnip1> RedMushroom: oh boy, boot to recovery root console and change the chmod / chown appropriately
[23:49] <PhxMan> martinkoelewijn  what did i do wrong
[23:49] <mrsteveman1> Roasted: stock firmware?
[23:49] <cchaos> Roasted: use pastbin then
[23:49] <mrsteveman1> Roasted: or dd-wrt/tomato?
[23:49] <Roasted> mrsteveman1 - Yes.
[23:49] <mrsteveman1> ok
[23:49] <jrib> Roasted: the only way to get automatically banned is if you ctcp the channel
[23:49] <Roasted> cchaos - I do not have any issues in other channels, only here with the nazi ruleset. Thanks though!
[23:49] <martinkoelewijn> PhxMan: don't enter, click on the application name. Or in menu: applications > system tools > configuration editor
[23:49] <Roasted> jrib - I've gotten banned many times, but I won't go into that.
[23:50] <ActionParsnip1> Roasted: simple, if you are pasting more than 1 line, use pastebin
[23:50] <mrsteveman1> Roasted: there is a setting in there somewhere called domain name, or hostname
[23:50] <ActionParsnip1> Roasted: same router as me
[23:50] <RedMushroom> ActionParsnip1: lovely. *sigh* wonderful advice i got here today
[23:50] <Roasted> ActionParsnip1 - I understand, I didn't know it would log as multiple lines. It's still ridiculous I got muted when I didn't intentionally try that. But, whatever.
[23:50] <mrsteveman1> Roasted: it needs to be part of the dhcp information your router hands out, otherwise typing a single hostname without a .com or anything after it won't be searchable
[23:50] <mrwes> ActionParsnip1, same router here -- with Tomato of course :)
[23:50] <PhxMan> martinkoelewijn   there is no configuration editor under system tools
[23:50] <cchaos> !pastbin | Roasted
[23:50] <cchaos> !pastebin | Roasted
[23:50] <ActionParsnip1> RedMushroom: if you start messing with /etc you gotta know what you are doing
[23:50] <Roasted> cchaos - I'm well aware of what pastebin is. But, AGAIN, thanks though!
[23:50] <RedMushroom> ActionParsnip1: i just discovered that
[23:51] <Roasted> mrsteveman1 - So you're saying when I ping I must have more tagged with it than the hostname itself? I.E. this computer is named "skynet"... it must be skynet + additional stuff?
[23:51] <spunk> RedMushroom: Boot a live CD and fix it from there.
[23:51] <mrsteveman1> Roasted: not as long as your router is handing out a domain name to all clients
[23:51] <PhxMan> martinkoelewijn:  could it be under somewhere else?