[12:19] <LaserJock> mhm
[12:24] <mdke> crimsun: NOT MAD! sound disappears after resuming from hibernate
[12:26] <LaserJock> mdke: ok, for me bzr co --lightweight = 10m and svn co = 3m
[12:26] <mdke> crimsun: probably, then when I reboot it is muted
[12:27] <LaserJock> mdke: bzr size = 38MB svn size = 88MB
[12:27] <mdke> hmm
[12:27] <LaserJock> well, here's one thing that I thought about
[12:28] <LaserJock> the biggest speed issue for bzr is the initial branching
[12:28] <LaserJock> but one of the advantages of bzr is that you don't have to have a special server
[12:28] <LaserJock> we could infact make weekly tarballs of the repo and put them on doc.ubuntu.com
[12:29] <crimsun> mdke: are you running the latest bios on your t43?
[12:29] <LaserJock> so if you want to get the repo you download the tarball and bzr pull to the latest revision
[12:29] <crimsun> mdke: because the "no sound after resuming from suspend-to-*" is a bios bug.
[12:29] <mdke> crimsun: no idea. I haven't ever updated it. But I've never noticed that bug before with previous releases
[12:30] <crimsun> if you have Windows still dual-booting, run the System Updater from within Windows
[12:30] <mdke> I haven't got it
[12:31] <mdke> crimsun: I suppose I could install it though
[12:31] <crimsun> thinkwiki may have pointers to a bios updater for executing in Linux [if one is publicly available]
[12:31] <mdke> can I do it from cd/usb floppy?
[12:32] <crimsun> if there's a live CD of Windows, sure
[12:32] <crimsun> I honestly have no idea about that, though
[12:32] <mdke> never heard of a live cd
[12:32] <mdke> I was thinking that you could get a floppy which just updates the bios
[12:32] <crimsun> if one such tool exists, thinkwiki.org would have a pointer to it
[12:33] <mdke> as, usb floppies don't work
[12:33] <mdke> s/as/ah
[12:39] <popey> evening all
[12:40] <mdke> hiya popey
[12:51] <mdke> crimsun: ok, I have a boot cd, here goes
[12:58] <LaserJock> yeah? I was reading a pretty hot thread about that on the forums today
[12:58] <LaserJock> people can get so bent out of shape over things like that
[12:58] <popey> http://gallery.popey.com/gallery/screenshots/Screenshot_Control_Center looks nice
[12:58] <popey> well yeah, i did kinda thing "holy crap, where has the administration menu gone!"
[12:59] <popey> then i saw that and calmed down a bit
[01:00] <mdke> popey: it rocks
[01:00] <popey> yeah, quite sweet
[01:00] <popey> that'll get its own screencast, oh yes, mark my words
[01:01] <LaserJock> most of the complaints I saw fell into 2 camps. 1 ) "OMG, it's WINDOWS!" and 2) "But now it takes 3 clicks to get where I want, unacceptable"
[01:01] <popey> heh
[01:01] <mdke> I think that's the biggest improvement GNOME has made for a while
[01:01] <mdke> those menus were holding it back
[01:01] <popey> they could add an icon to their panel for it, that would remove one click :)
[01:01] <nixternal> jeesh, could that control panel have anymore in it?
[01:02] <popey> i have a few extras that basic install wont have nx
[01:02] <popey> like beryl and hubackup
[01:02] <nixternal> ahh
[01:04] <nixternal> KDE System Settings is similar, just more compact, combining like causes
[01:04] <nixternal> i.e, Look and Feel would all be on one panel with gui buttons or tabs
[01:04] <popey> the names on the left highligt sections on the right
[01:05] <nixternal> i do believe they are going to compact that even more as well, but they are definitely on the right track
[01:06] <popey> i think the support system should ask people what version of ubuntu they are using when they submit tickets
[01:06] <popey> otherwise the first question will always be "what version? "
[01:06] <mdke> or it should know already
[01:06] <mdke> just file a bug
[01:07] <popey> people will be giving duff menu paths not realising that dapper != feisty in the menu department
[01:07] <popey> holy hell, 25 people in the screencast team
[01:07] <popey> go us!
[01:08] <mdke> :)
[01:09] <popey> had a personal email today asking if we could make the videos available on itunes as a podcast by exposing the rss feeds :)
[01:09] <popey> "funny you should say that" :)
[01:09] <mdke> I chased the domain today, no response yet
[01:11] <popey> is it a canonical decision?
[01:11] <popey> i would be interested to know how much traffic we have generated since we moved to doc.u.c
[01:11] <mdke> popey: it's not really a decision at all, it's an admin request
[01:11] <popey> do you use webalizer or anything on that box?
[01:12] <mdke> but I guess realistically it does involve a decision from elmo
[01:12] <mdke> no, shall we install something?
[01:12] <popey> i wouldn't mind having webalizer generate stats for /screencasts and put them somewhere
[01:12] <popey> yes, please
[01:12] <mdke> is it easy to setup?
[01:12] <popey> if you install webalizer, I can create the config file
[01:12] <popey> yes
[01:12] <popey> i run it on all my webhosts
[01:13] <popey> there are other alternatives like analog, but webalizer is IMO better
[01:13] <popey> http://sapstuff.com/usage/ an example of what you get
[01:13] <mdke> ah, easy then. Ok it's installed
[01:13] <popey> cool
[01:13] <popey> will create config file which you will need to drop in /etc and then maintain the crontab to make it run periodically
[01:13] <popey> daily should be sufficient
[01:13] <popey> thanks
[01:21] <LaserJock> mdke: well, I just had a decent chat with #bzr
[01:22] <mdke> I've been having one with kiko
[01:22] <LaserJock> seems a currently worked on "smart server" feature is what we are looking for
[01:22] <LaserJock> to make bzr initial checkout all speedy
[01:23] <LaserJock> but they did encourage me to sort of set the initial checkout aside and have people test it out
[01:37] <popey> is there any plan to make an ubuntu server product like the windows home server?
[01:37] <popey> I know there is a rough spec for a business server on launchpad/wiki
[01:41] <mdke> dunno what that one is
[01:43] <popey> which?
[01:43] <mdke> windows home server
[01:43] <popey> windows home server was announced at CES, it's based on win2k3
[01:43] <popey> it does your usual home serving tasks but has a few nice features
[01:44] <popey> single instance backup - so if you backup all your PCs and they all have foo.dll with the same size/date/time the server stores one copy
[01:44] <popey> remote access - you get a dynamic dns hostname from microsoft and can access any machine inside your lan through the server
[01:44] <mdke> doesn't XP do the backup thing
[01:44] <popey> or remote machines?
[01:45] <popey> this backs up all your home pcs to a central server
[01:45] <mdke> no, I mean the system restore thing
[01:45] <mdke> oh
[01:45] <popey> yes, this is an extension of that to cover more than one home pc
[05:08] <wongy> How's the WikiWeekend going?
[05:09] <wongy> We are having a small gathering in Brisbane, Australia Sunday afternoon so we'll try and tidy a few things during that to do our bit :-)
[09:16] <popey> mdke: like the new title page
[11:57] <mdke> crimsun: bios update hasn't helped, sound still broken after hibernate
[11:57] <mdke> popey: nod
[11:59] <popey> i like the simplicity of them
[11:59] <popey> and nice strapline on the second page
[12:08] <mpt> popey, what title page are you referring to?
[01:09] <popey> the two that michael most recently posted
[01:36] <mpt> Nothing from any Michael in my Inbox
[01:44] <mpt> ... However, that might be because I've overfilled my mail quota :-(
[01:56] <mpt> popey, do you have the URLs handy? :-)
[02:41] <popey> mpt: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2007-January/007986.html
[02:41] <popey> sorry for delay, took daughter to ballet
[04:57] <crimsun> mdke: "broken" being...?
[04:58] <mdke> crimsun: well, no sound
[04:59] <crimsun> mdke: right, but do you mean "inaudible sound despite mixer settings being unmuted" or do you mean "mixer settings being muted by default upon resuming from suspend-to-*"?
[05:00] <crimsun> mdke: and is this under 5.10, 6.06, 6.10, or 7.04?
[05:00] <mdke> crimsun: inaudible sound despite mixer settings being unmuted upon resuming from suspend to disk, under 7.04
[05:02] <crimsun> mdke: updated ``amixer'' -> pastebin, please?
[05:02] <mdke> crimsun: I need to suspend to reproduce it, gimme a few
[05:02] <crimsun> mdke: did it work properly in 6.06 and/or 6.10?
[05:03] <mdke> crimsun: I don't know I'm afraid. I haven't really used hibernate enough to notice it before
[05:11] <crimsun> I'm in another meeting atm, Cory, so I'll join as soon as I can
[05:12] <crimsun> Cody
[05:12] <crimsun> bad case of bad coffee or something
[05:14] <mdke> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2296/
[05:37] <crimsun> mdke: ok, more info needed: from a fresh (cold, power down and back up) boot, ``cat /proc/asound/card0/codec97#0/*'', then suspend-to-* and resume, then grab that same output
[05:37] <mdke> crimsun: will do.
[06:54] <fijam> hello
[06:56] <fijam> I am volunteering to help with xubuntu documentation, I have already downloaded svn trunk, docbook, read the docbook and patch specifications and skimmed through documentation style guide
[06:57] <mdke> ooh, cool.
[06:57] <fijam> Expect some questions from me soon :)
[06:57] <mdke> fijam: somerville32 is the person to talk to about xubuntu stuff, glad to hear you're interested. Feel free to ask any of us general questions of course
[06:57] <somerville32> :)
[06:58] <fijam> We've already met :)
[07:06] <mdke> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2308/ is before and http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2309/ is after
[07:46] <K_Mandla> Greetings!
[07:50] <LaserJock> hi!
[07:50] <LaserJock> the guy that started the WikiWeekend I presume
[07:51] <mdke> hi K_Mandla
[07:52] <crimsun> mdke: could you attach to a bug report, please?
[07:53] <mdke> crimsun: sure, what package?
[07:53] <crimsun> against linux-source-2.6.20
[07:53] <mdke> crimsun: just those outputs?
[07:53] <crimsun> and the info included before
[07:53] <mdke> crimsun: ok!
[07:54] <crimsun> thanks. Sorry to push it off into a bug report, but I'm swamped atm.
[07:54] <mdke> crimsun: of course, np
[07:56] <somerville32> Ok
[07:56] <somerville32> Lets wiki! :)
[07:59] <K_Mandla> LaserJock Yep, that's me
[08:03] <K_Mandla> Did anyone happen to see the question on the forums about adding a resource to support/local for Polish users?
[08:04] <K_Mandla> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2040425&postcount=10
[08:05] <mdke> no, didn't see that
[08:05] <mdke> will reply now
[08:05] <K_Mandla> I didn't have an answer for Azrael, other than to message mattheweast
[08:05] <K_Mandla> Thanks
[08:58] <brussel_> Does this forum answer questions on how to do proper documentation on https://help.ubuntu.com/community ?
[08:58] <brussel_> :s/forum/channel/
[08:59] <LaserJock> well, there is a wiki guide
[08:59] <LaserJock> that does help, but yeah, you can ask here
[09:00] <brussel_> I've tried to find various documentation but there seems to be a few versions of wiki. Maybe you can point me to the right one so I don't ask really really stupid questions.
[09:00] <brussel_> Right now I'm having troubles just linking from one portion of a document to another....
[09:01] <LaserJock> on the same page?
[09:01] <brussel_> yes
[09:01] <brussel_> I see the section is in the table of contents so it must have an anchor but i don't see it...
[09:03] <LaserJock> brussel_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HelpOnLinking has some info
[09:03] <brussel_> thanks
[09:03] <LaserJock> specifically [[Anchor(anchorname)] ]  to set and anchor and [#anchorname label text]  to link to it
[09:08] <K_Mandla> Is there a thumbnailing option for the attachment:___.png tag? like Mediawiki uses? I can't find it anywhere.
[09:10] <mdke> not sure, check HelpOnActions/AttachFile, the inline thing might do it. but I don't think there is a thumbnail option
[09:11] <K_Mandla> thanks
[09:13] <brussel_> I'm guessing [[BR] ] [[TableOfContents] ] || automatically links to headers even though the headers have no anchors. Is there a special syntax to link to headers I can use within the document to keep in simple?
[09:14] <LaserJock> brussel_: well, if you know the anchor that the TableOfContents links to I bet you can use that
[09:17] <brussel_> That's the problem, there is no apparent anchor other than the == sub-title == and [09:18] <brussel_> you can see what i'm talking about here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WordPress
[09:18] <mdke> you'll need to make anchors yourself if you want to link to them other than from the table of contents
[09:19] <mdke> LaserJock: you can't use those because they can change, I believe
[09:19] <brussel_> Darn, that's not as elegant as just linking directly to the already predefined header like the TOC does
[09:19] <LaserJock> mdke: ah, I wondered about that
[09:19] <mdke> brussel_: but the predefined header is UGLY!!
[09:20] <brussel_> That may be but i don't want to clutter the document with anchors and such making it so busy it's hard to read.
[09:20] <brussel_> s/read/code/
[09:21] <mdke> brussel_: don't worry about it. The anchors don't appear to readers, so it's not a big issue. Just keep them on separate lines and it will be readable
[09:21] <brussel_> ok, if that's the proper way to do it.
[09:21] <mdke> it's the only way :)
[09:22] <brussel_> Then it's the proper way! lol
[09:23] <mdke> that wordpress page is nice, but don't we have a separate page for a LAMP installation?
[09:23] <brussel_> Now I have another question, on page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HelpOnLinking they have a references with a "1" linking to a footnote. How did they get that 1 raised like that?
[09:23] <brussel_> mdke, separate page for a LAMP installation, I don't follow why that's relevant
[09:24] <mdke> brussel_: I mean, if we have a page which already deals comprehensively with doing a LAMP installation, there is no need to repeat a section on the Wordpress page about it, the user can simply be referred to the existing page
[09:25] <mdke> that way there is no problem with the duplicates material getting out of date and updating both
[09:25] <mdke> about your question, footnotes are done with [[FootNote(text of footnote)] ]
[09:26] <mdke> (see HelpOnMacros)
[09:26] <brussel_> mdke, That's interesting about having a LAMP and wordpress section. No wonder people find ubuntu documentation hard to find. Here's why
[09:26] <brussel_> the LAMP installation in my mind and probably many others means booting the lamp configuration off the DVD.
[09:27] <brussel_> those of us who aren't using that lamp setup would never think of looking for wordpress instructions there.
[09:27] <mdke> ??
[09:27] <brussel_> the proper way in my mind would be to have a link from the lamp documentation to the wordpress documentation
[09:28] <mdke> no, it's the other way round. You need a lamp installation to install wordpress
[09:28] <mdke> you don't need wordpress to run a lamp installation
[09:28] <mdke> I don't understand what you are getting at
[09:28] <brussel_> i didn't choose the lamp installation though
[09:29] <brussel_> i chose ubuntu-desktop
[09:29] <mdke> right, so if you want to install wordpress, you go and find a wordpress page
[09:29] <brussel_> so i'm having to go back and install things like wordpress and mysql which may have been preinstalled with the lamp
[09:29] <mdke> that tells you to install LAMP, because wordpress needs it
[09:30] <mdke> all I was saying is that given that we have instructions to do both, the latter should include a link to the former rather than reproducing the same material twice
[09:30] <nixternal> sudo apt-get install wordpress
[09:30] <nixternal> do that from a vanilla system and it will all get installed at once :)
[09:30] <mdke> nixternal: but you need to configure the LAMP components
[09:30] <brussel_> nixternal, i may have done just that
[09:31] <brussel_> mdke, i think i understand what you are saying but let me rephrase it to be sure
[09:31] <nixternal> Apache will need very little configuration, but MySQL will need the account creation and a couple of other changes to get it to listen on * all ports
[09:31] <mdke> brussel_: are you using the WordPress page? your lock has expired, can I edit it?
[09:31] <brussel_> the wordpress page should say something like.... yes, you can modify it
[09:31] <mdke> thanks
[09:32] <nixternal> if you have a wordpress page, say you need to install and setup LAMP, link to the wiki page, and then start off setting up wordpress after the person has gone back and read the LAMP page?
[09:32] <brussel_> nixternal, yes, i think that's what mdke is saying
[09:32] <brussel_> and i agree with that
[09:32] <mdke> yes
[09:32] <mdke> I've made the change now
[09:33] <nixternal> edgy repos have 2.0.4 still for wordpress, i think there have been a couple of security releases since 2.0.4
[09:34] <brussel_> mdke, nice, looks good, i wish i were so quick.
[09:35] <mdke> well, the page was already good :)
[09:35] <brussel_> it's pretty good though there are a few mistakes on it that i encountered this morning when i tried to set it up
[09:36] <mdke> it needs something on upgrading too, I guess
[09:38] <brussel_> darn, just read up on the footnote. wasn't quite what i hoped for.
[09:38] <brussel_> guess i'll fold clothe for a few
[09:43] <LaserJock> what about a having a page that has all these types of apps?
[09:44] <mdke> cut that ?action nonsense
[09:45] <LaserJock> yeah, that's it, although I was thinking less techie, but yeah
[09:49] <popey> evening all
[09:49] <mdke> LaserJock: I guess it would be possible to improve that
[09:51] <LaserJock> well, it looks pretty comprehensive, I just wonder if people find it easily
[09:51] <LaserJock> I'm really bad about looking for docs too
[09:52] <LaserJock> but I was just trying to set up some server stuff on my home machine and was having an aweful time finding stuff
[09:55] <mdke> it should be linked on the front page, I hope
[09:55] <mdke> I dunno what more we can do, tbh
[09:56] <mdke> but when that happens to you, you should remember where you had issues so we can improve it
[10:00] <LaserJock> well, you know what would help
[10:01] <LaserJock> is for these kinds of pages, the front page, server page, is if there was a link to them from the pages they link to
[10:02] <mdke> all the pages they link to should appear on the page?
[10:02] <mdke> I don't get it
[10:03] <LaserJock> what I mean is, I basically never go to the main pages
[10:03] <LaserJock> so I end up hopping on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[10:04] <mdke> so that should have a link to Server on it?
[10:04] <LaserJock> not knowing that https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Servers even exists
[10:04] <mdke> ok, I get it. Similar to the link on the top of the Server page itself?
[10:04] <LaserJock> yeah
[10:04] <mdke> good idea
[10:04] <mdke> that could be automated using the category system maybe
[10:04] <LaserJock> I mean right not the assumption is that the first place you land is UserDocumentation or Servers
[10:05] <LaserJock> which would be the case if you aren't relying on searches
[10:05] <mdke> it's definitely a good idea
[10:11] <LaserJock> the Moin pages on Servers seems to be just the Moin internal documentation
[10:20] <mdke> LaserJock: yes.
[10:20] <mdke> that's probably fair enough
[10:20] <mdke> MoinMoin is absolutely horrible to install
[10:31] <LaserJock> mdke: really? the moin package in the repos is no good?
[10:33] <mdke> LaserJock: it's fine, it provides the program, but you have to set up a wiki instance and the various methods of setting up apache are horrible
[10:37] <LaserJock> ah
[10:37] <LaserJock> I've only done it via the desktop moin
[10:37] <LaserJock> which is very easy
[10:37] <mdke> yeah
[10:38] <K_Mandla> is there a way to delete attachments, or is that an admin-only thing (which i suppose to be the case)
[10:39] <mdke> hmm
[10:39] <mdke> K_Mandla: did you try the page which lists the attachments? (which specifically are you talking about?)
[10:39] <K_Mandla> i added two screenshots to the TransparentTerminals page, but there's no way to thumbnail them, so they're of no use
[10:40] <K_Mandla> i just figured it would be easier on the database to dump them, since they're 500K each
[10:40] <K_Mandla> (embarrassed)
[10:41] <jenda> mdke: ping
[10:41] <mdke> jenda: (In case I'm not around at the moment, please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I get back)
[10:41] <jenda> I need your help :(
[10:41] <jenda> mdke: the bzr on doc.ubuntu.com is an outdated version
[10:41] <jenda> and i can't build the branch there.
[10:41] <mdke> K_Mandla: you can't delete them from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TransparentTerminals?action=AttachFile ?
[10:41] <jenda> (because of a long-fixed bug)
[10:42] <mdke> jenda: ah
[10:42] <jenda> mdke: is it dapper or edgy on there?
[10:42] <LaserJock> mdke: I did a full branch of the bzr repo in 53min
[10:42] <mdke> jenda: neither, it's 5.10
[10:42] <jenda> o.O
[10:42] <mdke> LaserJock: w00t!
[10:42] <mdke> LaserJock: is that including all repos, or just trunk?
[10:42] <LaserJock> trunk
[10:42] <mdke> omg
[10:42] <LaserJock> yep
[10:43] <LaserJock> but that's a full branch
[10:43] <mdke> jenda: we can try and update it, depending on dependencies, as it were
[10:43] <K_Mandla> mkde nope, i have options for get and view, but nothing that resembles delete ...
[10:43] <mdke> K_Mandla: ok, I guess it's restricted then
[10:44] <K_Mandla> no problem.
[10:44] <mdke> deleted
[10:44] <K_Mandla> thanks :)
[10:44] <mdke> if you wanna become a wiki editor, you can though
[10:44] <jenda> mdke: that would be great.
[10:44] <jenda> I'm totally lost without that :/
[10:44] <mdke> jenda: have you got some debs for me?
[10:44] <jenda> I could manually copy, of course.
[10:44] <jenda> mdke: just a sec.
[10:44] <LaserJock> mdke: I was thinking the best way to go is to make a tarball that people can download and then bzr pull to the latest revision
[10:45] <LaserJock> we need to get people over the initial "OMG, this takes forever"
[10:45] <mdke> LaserJock: you need to get me over that too :)
[10:45] <mdke> LaserJock: is there any reason not to use --lightweight?
[10:46] <LaserJock> mdke: well, for me it kind of detracts from some of the cool features of bzr
[10:46] <LaserJock> but we can do it either way
[10:46] <mdke> hmm.
[10:46] <mdke> well, if you want the cool features, it's obviously reasonable to download all that stuff
[10:47] <mdke> it would help if bzr gave better progress bars, maybe tell me file by file how it is going
[10:47] <LaserJock> well, I don't think it's quite that easy
[10:48] <LaserJock> I could ask though
[10:48] <LaserJock> I don't think it downloads file by file
[10:48] <LaserJock> I think it gets the meta data then creates the files
[10:50] <LaserJock> mdke: there's also a GUI for bzr
[10:50] <LaserJock> maybe that would help
[10:51] <mdke> could be
[10:51] <mdke> is the progress bar better?
[10:52] <LaserJock> dont' know, I haven't tried it yet
[10:54] <mpt> haha
[10:55] <mpt> mdke, I've reported some bugs on bzr's progress bars, and gave "better progress feedback" as my #1 wish in a wishlist session about Bazaar in November
[10:56] <mdke> mpt: did it get anywhere?
[10:56] <mpt> thanks popey
[10:56] <popey> np
[10:58] <mpt> bug 34864, bug 41832, and bug 60171 particularly.
[10:58] <mpt> Where's Ubugtu when you need her
[10:58] <popey> i think she was bouncy so someone kickbanned it/him/her
[11:20] <popey> welcome back
[11:20] <mdke> harsh
[11:21] <somerville32> Yucky
[11:23] <LaserJock> ewwwww
[11:23] <LaserJock> I hope you don't make a screencast of that
[11:57] <jenda> mdke: on another note, where has ML-forum bridge gone?
[11:59] <mdke> hmm?
[12:03] <LaserJock> mdke: are we getting rid of doc.u.c altogether then?
[12:03] <mdke> LaserJock: no, just moving, eventually.
[12:03] <LaserJock> are docteam. and doc. the same machine?
[12:04] <mdke> no, that's the problem
[12:04] <mdke> for now we've redirected http://docteam.ubuntu.com to http://doc.ubuntu.com, we can't do any better until they are on the same machine
[12:05] <LaserJock> so do we going to keep the docteam.u.c machine?
[12:05] <LaserJock> are they at the same location?
[12:05] <mdke> LaserJock: no, the httpS://docteam machine (with the svn server) is a Canonical server
[12:05] <LaserJock> ahh
[12:05] <mdke> the http://doc machine is a rented server
[12:06] <LaserJock> so you want to stop using the rented one
[12:08] <mdke> LaserJock: Canonical wants to stop paying for it, I think
[12:08] <mdke> it's pretty shit, tbh
[12:09] <LaserJock> I'd assume that would mean our ssh access would leave
[12:10] <mdke> LaserJock: do you use it?
[12:11] <LaserJock> to doc.u.c? only rarely
[12:11] <LaserJock> we were hosting a few files on there for the packaging guide
[12:11] <LaserJock> and I did some bzr stuff on there
[12:15] <LaserJock> I just know that Canonical is very protective of Canonical machines (reasonably so)
[12:15] <LaserJock> that's why MOTU can't have it's own archive admins, etc.
[12:15] <mdke> there are degrees of machines
[12:16] <mdke> there are some which are super private and only for employees and such.
[12:16] <mdke> and others which are "for the crack"


[10:11] <silverlightning> hi
[10:11] <silverlightning> is this an irc support channel?
[10:12] <silverlightning> I was directed from #ubuntu to #ubuntu-ops, and now here?


[12:44] <mikkael> on kubuntu, is that a new default font or is this just another hinting method ?
[12:51] <SlimG> mikkael: you sure it's different? to me it only look smaller
[12:52] <mikkael> whats the font called ?
[12:53] <mikkael> im not sure at all, i only saw a screenshot, im on a upgraded machine, where the mlind subixel rendering got lost now and everything is ugly :)
[12:54] <SlimG> dunno, didn't look for it, just tested the live disk
[03:06] <khermans__> hello!\
[03:06] <khermans__> is Tribe CD 1 ready and is it a good build?
[03:30] <Howdy125> khermans__, the topic say's it's released ..
[03:31] <khermans__> Howdy125, yes i was asking if it was good from people's experience -- and what time it was built
[03:32] <Howdy125> khermans__, I upgraded to it from feisty on one machine and installed it from a cd on another machine .. seems to be working well for me.
[03:33] <khermans__> Howdy125, thats exactly what i wanted to hear!
[03:33] <khermans__> Howdy125, amd64 by any chance?
[03:33] <Howdy125> khermans__, I don't have an amd64 .. sorry
[04:28] <DanaG> Argh, the "Interaggregate" xscreensaver just made xorg completely lock up.
[04:28] <DanaG> I had to sysrq-k it.
[04:31] <DanaG> ...and again, when I went to xscreensaver-demo to unset that one.
[04:33] <snerfu_1> my ipw2200 seems to be getting substantially better signal strength.
[04:47] <DanaG> (process:26213): Gtk-WARNING **: This process is currently running setuid or setgid.  This is not a supported use of GTK+. You must create a helper program instead.
[04:47] <DanaG> well, WTF process IS that?  If it crashes after giving that message, there's no way to know.
[04:49] <DanaG> Oh, and this time the Celtic xscreensaver killed Xorg.
[04:58] <Peaker> It seems that some time recently, /dev/pty* or some of them have become owned by the dialout group instead of tty group, which does not seem to make a lot of sense
[05:04] <RAOF> DanaG: I think that's some part of the X login spitting that out.
[05:06] <ToHellWithGA> dudes, i have a file
[05:06] <ToHellWithGA> this file is amazing
[05:07] <ToHellWithGA> it describes several aspects of my machine all relating to the networking card which is not assigned an interface
[05:07] <ToHellWithGA> http://thestonepedo.dyndns.org/files/rt2500_gutsy_2.6.22-6-generic.txt
[05:08] <ToHellWithGA> could one of yall help me figure out where to file that bug report?
[05:08] <RAOF> linux-source
[05:08] <ToHellWithGA> i don't know if it is kernel-related or part of some other networking extension
[05:08] <ToHellWithGA> bug linux-source
[05:08] <ToHellWithGA> !bug linux-source
[05:08] <BHSPitMonkey> is there a way to install ubuntu to another partition -while in- ubuntu?
[05:09] <ToHellWithGA> bug 1
[05:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[05:09] <ToHellWithGA> there's a link :)
[05:09] <ToHellWithGA> BHSPitMonkey: that'd require some tricky bootloading
[05:09] <RAOF> If you don't get a eth?/ra?/wlan? entry, that's a kernel problem.
[05:09] <ToHellWithGA> RAOF: that is the symptom indeed
[05:09] <ToHellWithGA> no ra0
[05:09] <RAOF> BHSPitMonkey: I suppose you could.  Just install Ubuquity and run it :)
[05:09] <RAOF> BHSPitMonkey: Not sure if that'd work, but it might :)
[05:12] <BHSPitMonkey> ToHellWithGA, well, I'm just slightly opposed to burning a CD, rebooting, installing, etc
[05:12] <BHSPitMonkey> RAOF, that would run into mounting issues perhaps
[05:13] <BHSPitMonkey> I guess I could unmount every extraneous partition I've mounted already
[05:13] <BHSPitMonkey> RAOF, trouble is, I'm really referring to installing ubuntu+1 on another partition, from ubuntu+0
[05:43] <DanaG> Argh, cannot talk to klauncher.
[05:43] <DanaG> But klauncher doesn't let you run it manually.
[05:44] <DanaG> oh, and there's a naming collision between kernel and kde.
[05:55] <cables> whatever, that's why I run in a VM :)
[06:14] <DanaG> WTF?  When my SSH session times out, the client blocks.
[06:14] <DanaG> It should really TIME OUT, not block my terminal.
[06:17] <Hobbsee> DanaG: that's...impressive
[06:19] <DanaG> Impressive?  How?
[06:23] <Hobbsee> that it doesnt just time out
[06:41] <DanaG> http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20070606VL207.html
[06:43] <DanaG> Odd feature on my laptop:
[06:43] <DanaG> FN-Super/Win == Ctrl-Alt-Del.
[06:44] <DanaG> by Super/Win, I mean Super is Win.  Heh, sounds like Engrish.
[06:44] <RAOF> Super FTW
[06:45] <DanaG>
[06:47] <DanaG> Perfect for saying "I need a <favorite caffeinated beverage>".
[06:59] <DanaG> Did anybody a while ago ask about 17" notebook with Intel graphics?  Oddly, HP has one on their new 802.11N-equipped laptops.
[07:17] <jkimball4> So, is compiz still not functional in Tribe 1?
[07:18] <crimsun> that's a heck of a contextless question to ask, since it appears to work on my hardware.  I obviously have no clue what hardware you're using to stake that claim.
[07:18] <jkimball4> I've been running gutsy since feisty came out and compiz has had held-back packages ever since.
[07:18] <RAOF> It shouldn't.
[07:18] <crimsun> compiz,compiz-core,compiz-gnome,compiz-plugins
[07:18] <jkimball4> Interesting.  Let me try some shit then.
[07:19] <crimsun> I'm currently at a post-Tribe1 snap (1:0.5.0+git20070605-0ubuntu1)
[07:19] <crdlb> !ohmy | jkimball4
[07:19] <ubotu> jkimball4: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:19] <jkimball4> Oops, Pardon me.
[07:23] <jkimball4> Ah, I think I see the issue.  Those packages were heldback because they'd break compiz-extra which isn't at 0.5 like the rest
[07:24] <jkimball4> That's a bummer.  I really like the extra stuff.
[07:24] <RAOF> You shouldn't have to wait too long until the *new* extra stuff is uploaded to Universe.
[07:30] <DanaG> http://www.bash.org/?769132
[07:43] <PirateHead> Is Gutsy going to be released on UMPC machines? Have people started hardware testing? Is there a wiki page?
[07:44] <Hobbsee> UMPC machines?
[07:44] <DanaG> Ultra-Mobile PC
[07:45] <crimsun> as opposed to "in no way mobile. At all. With a bomb" machines
[07:45] <Hobbsee> dunno. depends which arch it actually runs on, i guess
[07:45] <PirateHead> I read press releases about Ubuntu Mobile or whatever.
[07:46] <crimsun> I suspect you'd want to read the mobile specs.
[07:46] <PirateHead> But I don't know what it means, hardware wise.
[07:46] <crimsun> there's an IRC channel for that; join up and ask them during USA business hours.
[07:46] <crimsun> mountain/pacific time.
[07:46] <PirateHead> #ubuntu-mobile ? Just a guess.
[07:47] <PirateHead> I noticed that there were people in there, but not too many.
[07:54] <Hobbsee> anyone else's openoffice fonts utterly and totally stuffed?
[07:55] <crimsun> Hobbsee: they seem ok on Tribe1 and current gutsy
[07:55] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i'm getting http://wedontsleep.org/~sarah/snapshot8.png
[07:55] <crimsun> (yes, saw in -devel)
[07:55] <DanaG> Openoffice has ALWAYS had sucky fonts for me.
[07:55] <Hobbsee> ah
[07:55] <DanaG> The rest of Gnome and KDE have WONDERFUL fonts.
[07:56] <DanaG> Oh, I see the brokenness there.
[07:56] <crimsun> Hobbsee: kubuntu tribe1?
[07:56] <crimsun> I can pull an image and test
[07:56] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i havent downloaded tribe 1 - this is a dist-upgraded machine
[07:57] <Hobbsee> and i havent restarted X after teh updates, but that shouldnt matter
[08:01] <crimsun> ludicrous speed.
[08:01] <crimsun> 01:59:55 (6.45 MB/s) - `gutsy-desktop-i386.iso' saved [693219328/693219328]
[08:01] <crimsun> now why can't I get that on my 33.6?
[08:01] <RAOF> :P
[08:03] <DanaG> And a measly 300 when at home on Charter.
[08:06] <crimsun> this is from cdimage.uc to uni
[08:07] <DanaG> !google 7000 kilobytes in megabytes
[08:07] <crimsun> /8
[08:07] <DanaG> er, 1024.  not bits.
[08:07] <crimsun> no, that's for me, not you
[08:08] <DanaG> Aah.
[08:08] <crimsun> I just used the wrong window because my mouse slid over
[08:08] <DanaG> Oh, focus on hover.
[08:09] <DanaG> p   libnet-google-perl              - Simple OOP-ish interface to the Google SOA
[08:09] <DanaG> methinks that package is now useless.
[08:10] <RAOF> Aww, why has my Sid VM suddenly died?
[08:11] <crimsun> Hobbsee: tried regenerating the font cache?  `sudo fc-cache -f -v`
[08:11] <crimsun> can't reproduce it on Ubuntu Tribe1 or current gutsy
[08:11] <crimsun> waiting for Kubuntu Tribe1
[08:13] <Hobbsee> crimsun: have now, doesnt fix it
[08:13] <Hobbsee> using OpenSymbol fonts
[08:54] <Starks> hi
[08:55] <Starks> can someone help me install gutsy on my spare laptop? it's an inspiron 640m/e1405 that won't let X start when installing ubuntu.
[09:00] <Steil> does anyone know what package pidgin needs for ssl for msn/
[09:05] <varka> Steil: gnutls i think
[09:15] <varka> Steil: http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/FAQssl
[09:17] <Starks> can someone help me install gutsy on my spare laptop? it's an inspiron 640m/e1405 that won't let X start when installing ubuntu.
[09:18] <coNP> Starks: you mean by Ubuntu Feisty or older now?
[09:19] <Starks> from scratch
[09:19] <ToHellWithGA> so stuff broke just a little too much for me.  is anything backported from alpha releases, or would i have to wait until october to get a backport of rtorrent?
[09:20] <ToHellWithGA> i couldn't make gutsy reinstall and/or dist-upgrade cleanly after a couple of tries
[09:30] <afflux> my gnome-panel crashes sometimes just without any error message or bug report. I can't really see a pattern for that. When it restarts, some applications like X-Chat or QuodLibet don't show up in the notification area
[09:31] <afflux> Where can I find any usefull information on what happens?
[09:42] <DarkMageZ> afflux, if gnome-panel crashed. there is a chance that there is a crash report in /var/crash
[09:43] <afflux> oh, yes. there is one.
[09:43] <afflux> thank you
[09:46] <jkimball4> When I connect to a VPN with network-manager-openvpn, nm overwrites the entries in /etc/resolv.conf causing no dns resolution to not work.  Anyone have a fix?
[10:26] <rasher> Hello, I'm having trouble pairing my phone to my laptop. I installed bluez-gnome and set my computer to be "visible and connectable", yet it doesn't show up when I search for devices on my phone (Nokia 5300). The output of hciconfig -a is here: http://pastebin.ca/549925 . I can scan with hcitool and find my phone, but don't know how to properly connect to it like that.
[10:31] <r00tintheb0x> rasher, are the modules loaded for the BT adapter?
[10:32] <rasher> r00tintheb0x, certainly. Otherwise hciconfig wouldn't list it as up and running anyway
[10:33] <r00tintheb0x> aah
[10:33] <r00tintheb0x> can you pair the devices manually?
[10:33] <rasher> As far as I can tell, the system firmly believes it should be discoverable already, but my phone's just not seeing anything. Unless I'm missing something.
[10:33] <rasher> r00tintheb0x, I don't know, how would I go about doing that?
[10:33] <r00tintheb0x> rasher, i have minimal experience w/bt & lin.
[10:34] <r00tintheb0x> im just stabbing @ it
[10:34] <rasher> Okay, well as I said I can run a scan, that finds my phone, so it's working at some level at least
[10:34] <rasher> so I might be able to manually pair the two, only I don't know how
[10:35] <r00tintheb0x> i see.
[10:35] <r00tintheb0x> so your phone cant see the BT adapter on your computer?
[10:35] <rasher> Exactly
[10:35] <r00tintheb0x> okay, what on Linux are you using to configure the adapter?
[10:35] <r00tintheb0x> .conf files?
[10:36] <rasher> All I can say about the adapter is that it works in Windows. And I have no other bluetooth devices than these two
[10:36] <rasher> I used bluez-gnome's little applet, which seems to be setting up the adapter correctly.
[10:36] <rasher> at least the changes are applied. Whether they're correct, I don't really know
[10:38] <rasher> I haven't modified anything in /etc/bluetooth/ - I'm not sure what it should be. The applet seems to be setting things on the fly, which I assume *should* be "correct" settings
[10:38] <r00tintheb0x> rasher, try running bluez-gnome with a -d flag or something so you can see exactaly what its doing
[10:38] <r00tintheb0x> and look for a "unhidden" mode inside bluez too
[10:40] <rasher> if you look at the output on pastebin I think the following line means that it ought to be visible: UP RUNNING PSCAN ISCAN
[10:40] <rasher> Doesn't look like the bluetooth-applet has any commanline parameters
[10:45] <rasher> Interesting.. if I run hcitool cc 00:18:C5:88:FC:0A the laptop shows up on the phone as an active connection for a split-second
[10:47] <r00tintheb0x> rasher, maybe because hcitool is initalizing it?
[10:49] <rasher> r00tintheb0x, that's my guessing. The phone rejects the connection because it's improper in some way. But why..
[10:50] <r00tintheb0x> hmm
[10:51] <r00tintheb0x> rasher, whats the name of the tool?
[10:51] <r00tintheb0x> bluez?
[10:51] <r00tintheb0x> what?
[10:52] <mikkael> whats kubuntu's default font and size on gutsy , please someone
[10:52] <rasher> r00tintheb0x, There are a number of utils. The deamon is hcid. The scanning tool is hcitool. The setup (console) tool for the adapter is hciconfig. The gnome parts are bluetooth-applet and bluetooth-properties.
[10:53] <rasher> r00tintheb0x, I will now attempt to run the daemon directly so I can see any output
[10:53] <r00tintheb0x> okay
[10:55] <rasher> It's not outputting a lot. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what hcid does.
[10:56] <rasher> Maybe it's a problem that the two devices are already paired (under windows)
[10:56] <Starks> can someone help me install gutsy on my spare laptop? it's an inspiron 640m/e1405 that won't let X start when installing ubuntu.
[10:57] <Starks> from scratch
[11:01] <r00tintheb0x> hmm
[11:01] <r00tintheb0x> ive never seen gutsy
[11:06] <rasher> Hrm, it's giving me no luck. Think I'll take this to the bluez mailing list instead.
[12:56] <_4strO> yop yop
[03:27] <ikonia> Gutsy`Gibbon<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[03:27] <ikonia> gee I wonder what he wants
[05:02] <robg> can someone help a ubuntu newbie with install?
[05:02] <coNP> robg: are you installing gutsy?
[05:03] <robg> just downloaded 7.01
[05:03] <robg> excuse me, 7.04
[05:03] <theholyduck> robg, #ubuntu is That way
[05:03] <theholyduck> :P
[05:03] <coNP> robg: okay, than please forward to #ubuntu
[05:03] <theholyduck> this is for 7.10
[05:03] <robg> is that better?
[05:03] <theholyduck> its in alpha
[05:03] <coNP> robg: no it is under development
[05:04] <Pici> robg: its not stable.
[05:04] <robg> neither is 7.04
[05:04] <robg> hehehe
[05:04] <Pici> robg: nor is it released.
[05:04] <theholyduck> robg, 7.04 is
[05:04] <theholyduck> now
[05:04] <Peaker> what determines what user/group permissions /dev/* files will have?
[05:04] <coNP> robg: it will be released in October, if everything foes fine
[05:04] <theholyduck> since april or
[05:04] <theholyduck> s
[05:04] <robg> ok, thanks, I'll try #ubuntu again
[05:04] <theholyduck> ;)
[05:04] <coNP> robg: good luck :)
[05:05] <theholyduck> actualy im still running herd4
[05:05] <theholyduck> :P
[05:05] <theholyduck> on this lappy
[05:05] <theholyduck> i havent bothered upgrading like 400 packages
[05:05] <ToHellWithGA> if i want to backport a package, what do i have to do?
[05:05] <ToHellWithGA> would i need to build the gutsy package on the feisty toolchain?
[05:05] <coNP> I guess you have to compile it on the target system
[05:05] <coNP> and maybe nothing if everything is fine
[05:06] <ToHellWithGA> i reckon some little things, like version dependencies, matter
[05:06] <ToHellWithGA> the new version depends on the current gutsy libstdc++
[05:06] <coNP> then I guess you have to backport libstdc++ first
[05:06] <ToHellWithGA> maybe i could just edit the source and make it depend on the most current feisty things
[05:07] <theholyduck> i was thinking.. if i changed feisty in the sources.list file to gusty and did a update then dist upgrade
[05:07] <coNP> sure
[05:07] <theholyduck> would that work?
[05:07] <ToHellWithGA> theholyduck: i can only find out by trying, eh?
[05:07] <coNP> theholyduck: it might work
[05:07] <theholyduck> yeh
[05:07] <coNP> I did that
[05:07] <theholyduck> well i was going to try
[05:07] <Peaker> that's what you do to upgrade to gutsy in general, no?
[05:08] <theholyduck> i did try to instal by cd
[05:08] <theholyduck> didnt work
[05:08] <theholyduck> at all
[05:08] <Peaker> so, i found a bug in /dev's permissions in gutsy - but I don't know what package/who is responsible. :P
[05:08] <ToHellWithGA> browsing the pool to get that source though... oy vey
[05:08] <theholyduck> like.. it crashed on all my 3 attempts
[05:08] <theholyduck> :P
[05:08] <Peaker> ToHellWithGA: apt-get source?
[05:08] <ToHellWithGA> Peaker: i have to turn on those repos though
[05:09] <ToHellWithGA> i'm currently running feisty b/c gutsy went more unstable than i could handle for me
[05:09] <ToHellWithGA> but i'd like to pull a couple of the packages
[05:09] <theholyduck> i know what.. im gonna upgrade to feisty stable.. then create a chroot with feisty and upgrade that to gibsy
[05:09] <theholyduck> then try to boot into that
[05:09] <theholyduck> :P
[05:10] <theholyduck> i just need to resize my root partition and create a new partition
[05:10] <coNP> theholyduck: actually you should create a gutsy chroot in a feisty chroot in an edgy chroot on a dapper system :)
[05:10] <theholyduck> :P
[05:10] <theholyduck> or.. i could just go and unpack my stationary and install on a free partition on that
[05:11] <theholyduck> this laptop sucks anyway
[05:11] <theholyduck> go 1.4ghz celeron and 256 mb ram
[05:11] <Peaker> I know a guy who replaced his Redhat install with a Debian install by installing Debian in a chroot jail, and then migrating its files to overwrite the root files
[05:12] <theholyduck> with full gnome.. yay
[05:12] <theholyduck> i really ought to install debian on this
[05:12] <coNP> it is not as hard as it seems
[05:12] <theholyduck> the ubuntu debian. default is tooo bloated
[05:12] <theholyduck> hm
[05:12] <theholyduck> wtf
[05:12] <theholyduck> ubuntu gnome
[05:12] <theholyduck> :P
[05:13] <ToHellWithGA> theholyduck: i got that vibe too
[05:13] <theholyduck> that the default ubuntu gnome is too bloated
[05:13] <theholyduck> ?
[05:13] <ToHellWithGA> but it was difficult maintaining a very large list of packages to keep up to date rather than just accepting the small failures of the ubuntu-desktop metapackage
[05:14] <theholyduck> you know.. if i had alot of time.. id create myself a ubuntu-desktop-nonbloat metapackage
[05:14] <ToHellWithGA> the default ubuntu gnome has a bunch of stuff i will never use.  gnome-desktop-environment has so little that one must add many little packages
[05:14] <ToHellWithGA> theholyduck: you could do ubuntu-minimal and gnome-desktop-environment
[05:15] <gnomefreak> guys can you take this topic to #ubuntu-offtopic please
[05:15] <ToHellWithGA> iirc that was a fairly small footprint
[05:15] <ToHellWithGA> gnomefreak: how can i c/o source for a gutsy package while in feisty?
[05:15] <gnomefreak> c/o?
[05:15] <Toma-> "ubuntu-basic" would be nice
[05:15] <ToHellWithGA> check out
[05:15] <ToHellWithGA> my bad
[05:16] <ToHellWithGA> i'd like to download the source to the gutsy rtorrent and see if it can be built using the feisty toolchain
[05:16] <ToHellWithGA> for a backport
[05:16] <gnomefreak> ToHellWithGA: you can as long as you are not running it ;)
[05:16] <gnomefreak> ToHellWithGA: should beable to
[05:16] <gnomefreak> ToHellWithGA: dont run it until build for feisty
[05:16] <theholyduck> ToHellWithGA, is there really something stoping you from doing a apt-get build-dep rtorrent and dling the official source?
[05:16] <ToHellWithGA> theholyduck: there is an existing gutsy package
[05:16] <theholyduck> but not in feisty+
[05:16] <theholyduck> ?
[05:17] <ToHellWithGA> why should i build from source and not have the benefits of package management?
[05:17] <theholyduck> you know.. you can make a debian package very fast with checkinstall
[05:17] <ToHellWithGA> checkinstall doesn't help anyone else though
[05:17] <theholyduck> true dat
[05:17] <gnomefreak> dpkg-buildpackage is easy too :)
[05:17] <coNP> ToHellWithGA: why don't you compile the gutsy package on feisty? and install the package?
[05:18] <ToHellWithGA> that's exactly what i'd like to do, but i don't know how to find the gutsy source package while on feisty
[05:18] <gnomefreak> coNP: thats what he plans on doing
[05:18] <theholyduck> i got a flash pen with .deb's of all my custom builds that i use for ubuntu
[05:18] <theholyduck> :P
[05:18] <ToHellWithGA> should i just run a VM and use that to find the source .deb?
[05:18] <gnomefreak> ToHellWithGA: packages.ubuntu.com
[05:18] <gnomefreak> grab the tar.gz the .diff.tar.gz and the .dsc
[05:18] <coNP> I would append the gutsy source repo and let apt-get  do the dirty part for me :)
[05:19] <gnomefreak> unpack .dsc look in control to see what dpends need to be met for feisty and install them and build (maybe change the changelog as well
[05:20] <ToHellWithGA> gnomefreak: thanks man
[05:20] <gnomefreak> ywe
[05:20] <gnomefreak> yw
[05:21] <ToHellWithGA> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), cdbs, libtorrent-dev (>= 0.11.4), libsigc++-2.
[05:21] <ToHellWithGA> 0-dev, libcurl4-openssl-dev, libncurses5-dev, bc
[05:21] <ToHellWithGA> so i just need to find feisty analogues of those packages and make an effort to build it
[05:21] <gnomefreak> the ones without versiopn leave alone
[05:21] <ToHellWithGA> looks like libtorrent-dev is gonna be the big one
[05:21] <gnomefreak> install them but no need to change version. debhelper version is good
[05:22] <gnomefreak> hold on it should be good as well
[05:22] <ToHellWithGA> 0.10.4 is the feisty version
[05:22] <gnomefreak> thats bad
[05:22] <gnomefreak> no its not
[05:22] <ToHellWithGA> so i guess i'll need to build libtorrent-dev then rtorrent
[05:22] <gnomefreak> libtorrent-dev: Installed: (none) Candidate: (none) Version table:
[05:23] <gnomefreak> its not in feisty by the looks of it
[05:23] <gnomefreak> change it to libtorrent9-dev should work
[05:23] <ToHellWithGA> there are some changes of note
[05:23] <ToHellWithGA> inclusion of protocol encryption
[05:24] <ToHellWithGA> some major things
[05:24] <gnomefreak> ToHellWithGA: than you will have to build it for feisty along with any depends and rdepends
[05:24] <gnomefreak> ToHellWithGA: you may be looking at a week of building
[05:24] <ToHellWithGA> that's cool
[05:25] <ToHellWithGA> rdepends are depends of depends?
[05:25] <gnomefreak> patches may fail as well so you might want to merge from debian
[05:25] <gnomefreak> ToHellWithGA: reverse depends
[05:25] <gnomefreak> apt-cache rdepends package
[05:25] <gnomefreak> apt-cache depends package
[05:26] <gnomefreak> ToHellWithGA: some may not be needed but hard to say without looking too deep into it
[05:26] <Hobbsee> ToHellWithGA: reverse depends
[05:26] <ToHellWithGA> you got me all excited about reverse depends
[05:26] <gnomefreak> ToHellWithGA: you  may want to consult -motu on this
[05:26] <ToHellWithGA> the only ones listed are libtorrent/rtorrent things
[05:26] <ToHellWithGA> hi Hobbsee
[05:26] <Hobbsee> hiya
[05:26] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: does ubuntu have a gpg signing thing by default?
[05:26] <Hobbsee> like, seahorse or something?
[05:27] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: gnupg
[05:27] <gnomefreak> im sure another one or 2
[05:27] <Hobbsee> that's not an agent
[05:27] <Hobbsee> gpg-agent?
[05:27] <gnomefreak> maybe looking through it now
[05:28] <Hobbsee> thanks
[05:28] <gnomefreak> i thought it did
[05:28] <gnomefreak> gnome-keyring-manager closest thing but not sure if that is agent
[05:30] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop (doesnt show one)
[05:30] <gnomefreak> iirc the docs for gpg tell you to install gpg-agent
[05:30] <Hobbsee> right
[05:30] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: i should have a look at hte gpg-agent preinst, then
[07:25] <greg_g>  question for ya guys (Gusty Kubuntu related): if I added the kubuntu fiesty kde 3.5.7 repo, but I think that might be causing me problems, how can I down-grade the apps that were upgraded with that repo?
[07:27] <Hobbsee> greg_g: remove the repo, and update, and dist-upgrade
[07:27] <Hobbsee> greg_g: should be OK, as hte packages are fairly close
[07:27] <greg_g> I was having problems with gtk apps not running in kde
[07:28] <greg_g> including firefox though
[07:30] <Hobbsee> feisty 3.5.7 repo wont help with that
[07:30] <Hobbsee> 3.5.7 is in gutsy by default.
[07:32] <Rprp> hi, im on gutsy now, but how can i get the fonts of feisty?
[07:35] <clyde> has anyone in this room installed gDesklets on 7.10?
[07:36] <clyde> :)
[07:45] <Rprp> hi, im on gutsy now, but how can i get the fonts of feisty?
[07:48] <coNP> Rprp: what fonts? I guess the same packages are available as for feisty.
[07:49] <Rprp> coNP: Dunno, but the fonts are changed. :/
[07:49] <coNP> oh, you mean the fonts that appear in the dialogs?
[07:56] <hackeron> Hey, it says on ubuntudaily.com that Gusty Gibbon repositories are open? -- But I tried to change feisty to gusty in my sources.list but when I do an apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade -- there are no new packages???
[07:57] <Hobbsee> hackeron: -ECANNOTSPELL
[07:57] <Rprp> hmm, the fonts are too small, like in Xchat and firefox, how can i get back to the fonts in feisty? :< (Sorry for my bad english anyway)
[07:57] <hackeron> Hobbsee: sorry?
[07:57] <Hobbsee> hackeron: gusty doesnt exist.  gutsy does.
[07:57] <Pici> hackeron: gutsy not gusty
[07:57] <hackeron> oh, lol, right
[07:58] <Hobbsee> Rprp: they keep changing them.  you cna probably specifiy them in gconf or something
[07:58] <Hobbsee> hackeron: *grin*
[07:58] <Rprp> hmmm
[07:59] <hackeron> sweet, thanks :)
[07:59] <hackeron> 30 minutes away from breaking my system, lol
[07:59] <Rprp> Hobbsee: gconf isnt a command, right? :P
[08:03] <Rprp> hmm, the fonts are too small, like in Xchat and firefox, how can i get back to the fonts in feisty? :< (Sorry for my bad english anyway)
[08:03] <hackeron> hmm, when you search for gusty on google, it matches gutsy and doesn't show a spelling mistake or anything -- interesting.
[09:00] <Starks> can someone help me install gutsy on my spare laptop? it's an inspiron 640m/e1405 that won't let X start when installing ubuntu from scratch?
[09:01] <Starks> i can't even get X to start for the LiveCD.
[09:13] <ToHellWithGA> Starks: that's a bummer, man
[09:13] <ToHellWithGA> if it is any consolation, i couldn't get X to start at all from a working gutsy install
[09:21] <Starks> ...
[10:30] <bipolar> Starks: what video card?
[11:53] <khermans> there is a conflict between ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk -- are these issues to be noted to bug reported?
[11:53] <khermans> this is on amd64
[11:53] <khermans> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24774/


[05:48] <OvenWerk1> zenity seems to think it should only show two lines in a list any more.
[05:56] <OvenWerk1> It used to show as many as would fit in the box size.
[11:27] <cub> zequence, are you planning to do the changes to the ubiquity-slideshow or if anyone else, like madeinkobaia, is planning to fix it?
[11:28] <cub> I got take a shot at it otherwise.
[11:28] <cub> s/got/could
[11:30] <cub> hmm or can I..?
[11:30] <elfy> cub: I'd guess so ... I managed with ours :)
[11:31] <cub> first glance it seems it's a joint package for all distros?
[11:31] <elfy> nah
[11:32] <elfy> you just go to /ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/slideshows/ubuntustudio/
[11:32] <elfy> and do your changes in there - that's just for studio
[11:32] <cub> cool
[11:33]  * elfy finds it strange to be explaining this stuff - and knome would be laughing :)
[11:33] <elfy> I hate bzr and fiddling with things like this ...
[11:33] <cub> hehe
[11:33] <cub> I'm just learning so every step takes a long time for me
[11:34] <elfy> cub: tell me about it - you should have seen me 6 months when I was doing all the testcase stuff - I went bald pulling it all out :D
[11:34] <cub> haha nice, that's what I'm planning to do after the LTS release
[11:35] <elfy> I've got your stuff on my list too - so I will help
[11:35] <elfy> I did try to make a start but got bogged down in other things
[11:37] <cub> great, hopefully it will be easier then
[11:38] <elfy> yep - and I should be able to help with  getting your testsuites set up
[11:41] <cub> right, I should have some projects to open in the applications shown.
[11:43] <cub> elfy, I read in an instruction for the ubiquity that screenshots should be 215px x 130px, but the ones used in Ubuntu Studio are 450 wide and different heights
[11:44] <cub> do you know if there's still a rule on sizes?
[11:44] <elfy> I'd not know I'm afraid
[11:45] <cub> the xubuntu slides have different sizes of images as well, so I'm going with what we used before
[11:45] <elfy> pretty sure ours are not that size - one is 400x290
[11:45] <elfy> another 430x290
[11:46] <elfy> bbl
[12:18] <zequence> cub: you're welcome to do it. But, if it's not done by tomorrow, I'll probably do it myself
[12:19] <zequence> cub: I think how it's done is pretty self explanatory as far as making the changes. Once you're done, you need to make a merge request, and preferably a bug report to go with it
[15:24] <knome> zequence: feel free to set me as the reviewer for the slideshow merges, and i'll get it done
[20:58] <zequence> exit


[00:41] <tsimonq2> yay for adueppen!
[00:41] <tsimonq2> oh that's RIGHT...meeting soon :D
[01:05] <tsimonq2> o/
[01:05] <tsimonq2> anyone here?
[03:18] <adueppen> the metting that never happened
[03:20] <tsimonq2> adueppen: I was here! :P
[03:20] <adueppen> I was too but kinda busy
[03:20] <tsimonq2> lol ok


[04:16] <davidkrauser> Hi everybody
[04:17] <davidkrauser> has anyone tried to build unity from source using these instructions lately? ( http://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/development/unity/ )
[04:18] <davidkrauser> It seems there may be new changes in the NUX trunk that aren't working with the latest from unity.
[04:20] <davidkrauser> I opened a thread at the Ubuntu Forums about it: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2102641
[04:21] <davidkrauser> Just wondering if anyone knows of a specific version of NUX that is compatible, or if there's a work around?
[04:22] <davidkrauser> It also seems that the INSTALL file in the repo is VERY out of date (maybe years?).
[04:25] <davidkrauser> Anyways, if anyone has any suggestions I'd love to hear 'em. You can just post them in that forum thread. I may also post about this on the mailing list, just to see if I can get more ideas.


[14:50] <Roguehorse> what's happenin'?
[14:51] <Roguehorse> OMG! Last night the pain in my knees and ankles was like 9+....have to tell my Dr
[16:24] <pleia2> :\
[16:25] <pleia2> good morning
[17:11] <ianorlin> I finally got out of bed
[17:12] <pleia2> success
[17:57] <Roguehorse> it's a side effect that didn't used to bother me when I was younger ........ http://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-6007-9383/prednisone-oral/prednisone-oral/details/list-sideeffects
[17:57] <darthrobot`> Title: [Common and Rare Side Effects for prednisone oral]
[18:05] <pleia2> Roguehorse: interesting to know, I was starting to worry that my RF cat is secretly in joint pain
[18:07] <Roguehorse> what is RF?
[18:08] <pleia2> renal failure
[18:09] <Roguehorse> https://youtu.be/c0KYU2j0TM4
[18:09] <darthrobot`> [R: www.youtube.com] Title: [Susan Cain: The power of introverts - YouTube]
[18:10] <Roguehorse> ah, they may be if the vet has them on prednisone....the side effects are long and everyone reacts differently to it
[18:11] <Roguehorse> if it wasn't the only medication to save my life, I wouldn't take it.....as it is though, no other options
[18:11] <pleia2> fortunately she's not, just subcutaneous fluid injections every other day so she stays hydrated, and some calcium dropping thing once a week because her calicum levels are high
[18:12] <Roguehorse> that is much more fortunate....it's hard dealing with sick pets because they can't tell you what hurts
[18:13] <pleia2> she was diagnosed 3.5 years ago when she was 5 years old and dropped from 11lbs to 6.5 (she's a little siamese, and we live with her every day, so it took us a while to notice the weight loss)
[18:14] <pleia2> I track her BUN, CRE and weight publicly, with graphs! http://princessleia.com/journal/?cat=30
[18:14] <darthrobot`> Title: [simcoe – pleia2's blog]
[18:14] <Roguehorse> yeah, thats hard
[18:15] <Roguehorse> neat log.....very creative
[18:15] <pleia2> I like data
[18:15] <Roguehorse> me too
[18:45] <Roguehorse> been adding more stuff to my new website.......shameless, but I have to market myself http://www.roguehorse.net/about.html
[18:45] <darthrobot`> Title: [Scott DuBois - About]
[23:03] <nhaines> pleia2: thanks for the Twitter shoutout yesterday.  It came just as I was looking at my schedule and thinking about emails.  :)
[23:03] <pleia2> of course :)
[23:03] <pleia2> I usually need reminding about such things, but I was also tweeting about the ubuntu hour + debian dinner in sf
[23:03] <pleia2> so I saw it in the loco.u.c list


[04:11] <superfly> Maaz: tell nsnzero You can "compile" Python using PyInstaller
[04:11] <Maaz> superfly: Sure, I'll tell nsnzero on freenode
[05:59] <inetpro> goeie more
[05:59] <Langjan> Hi inetpro hoe gaan dit?
[06:00] <inetpro> uitgeput... van die oggendverkeer vir geen rede
[06:01] <inetpro> Langjan: en daar?
[06:01] <Langjan> Ai!  Check back in a minute."...  and 5 minutes later still down
[06:20] <Maaz> inetpro: Sure, I'll tell Langjan on freenode
[06:21] <chesedo> morning inetpro and all others
[06:21] <inetpro> hi chesedo
[06:36] <nsnzero> morning guys
[06:36] <Maaz> nsnzero: By the way, superfly on freenode told me "tell nsnzero You can "compile" Python using PyInstaller" 2 hours and 25 minutes ago
[06:51] <chesedo> morning nsnzero
[06:56] <nsnzero> hi chesedo
[07:21] <Kilos> morning everyone and inetpro
[07:27] <nsnzero> hi Kilos how you doing ?
[07:28] <Kilos> im ok ty msand you?
[07:28] <Kilos> ai!
[07:28] <Kilos> nsnzero
[07:30] <nsnzero> i just found out that i am allergic to work .... it makes me so tired ...
[07:33] <nsnzero> found out that by using file:///home/nsnzero/backup
[07:33] <nsnzero> file:///home/nsnzero/mount-sams
[07:33] <nsnzero> file:///home/nsnzero/unmount-sams
[07:33] <nsnzero> oops
[07:33] <nsnzero> by using file:///home/nsnzero/backup
[07:33] <nsnzero> file:///home/nsnzero/mount-sams
[07:33] <nsnzero> file:///home/nsnzero/unmount-sams
[07:34] <nsnzero> what the ... why isn't this thing pasting properly ???
[07:37] <nsnzero> export PATH=$PATH:/home/username/./local/bin:.  in your bashrc / zshrc lets you run file run ./local/bin
[07:41] <Kilos> lol
[07:46] <nsnzero> found some nice tutorials on www.codecoffee.com for linux noobs
[08:04] <andrewlsd> morning nsnzero Kilos inetpro chesedo theblazehen
[08:04] <andrewlsd> Maaz: tell Langjan Hello from andrewlsd
[08:04] <Maaz> andrewlsd: Got it, I'll tell Langjan on freenode
[08:04] <Kilos> hi andrewlsd
[08:04] <andrewlsd> \o
[08:04] <Kilos> o/
[08:05] <andrewlsd> Anyone here using KDE Neon?
[08:05] <andrewlsd> (Ubuntu + _latest_ KDE )
[08:09] <chesedo> hi Kilos and andrewlsd
[08:10] <andrewlsd> \o
[08:11] <Kilos> hi  chesedo
[08:12] <Kilos> oh andrewlsd is that what comes after plasma stuffs
[08:12] <chesedo> nsnzero: for emergencies you can also use '/bin/sleep 30m'
[08:12] <Kilos> im on 16.04 kde
[08:12] <andrewlsd> Kilos: KDE neon is Ubuntu 16.04 + Latest KDE. as opposed to Kubuntu, which is LTS plus an older KDE.
[08:13] <Kilos> working ok here apart from few niggles
[08:13] <Kilos> oh
[08:13] <nsnzero> andrewlsd: the neon build doesnt support kde pim - tried it - needed kmail and kontacts
[08:13] <andrewlsd> nothing wrong with Kubuntu. I'm just thinking of installing Neon...
[08:13] <andrewlsd> Thanks nsnzero
[08:14] <andrewlsd> exactly the feedback I need.
[08:14] <Kilos> when i boot up i have to manuall go to settings and tell the touchpad i have a mouse plugged in every time
[08:14] <nsnzero> you will get plasma 5.9 -> i am jealous
[08:14]  * andrewlsd does not use a mouse :-P
[08:14] <andrewlsd> OT: yesterday I tried out Oculus Rift at my neighbour.
[08:14] <andrewlsd> Pretty impressive.
[08:15] <Kilos> doing settings used  to remember before but 16.04 doesnt make it work auto
[08:15] <nsnzero> kilos you can set the touchpad to diasble automaticaaly when mouse is plugged in
[08:16] <Kilos> touchpad gets in the way and i end up typing a sentence with the end at the beginning
[08:16] <Kilos> fingers not accurate enoughj
[08:16] <Kilos> it doesnt want to nsnzero
[08:16] <Kilos> drives me nuts
[08:16] <Kilos> i go look again
[08:17] <nsnzero> Kilos: check the touchpad advanced settings -> enable/disable
[08:18] <Kilos> lemme see
[08:19] <nsnzero> hp laptops have a small dimple near the touchpad - pressing it twice also disables the touchpad
[08:19] <Kilos> no advanced in touchpad
[08:22] <nsnzero> ok on the top tabs in the touchpad settings menu - do you see enable/disable tab ?
[08:27] <Squirm_> Oh oh
[08:27] <Squirm_> Look who has arrived!
[08:28] <Kilos> hi Squirm_
[08:30] <Squirm_> Hi Kilos
[08:31] <Kilos> yes advanced is there in the keyboard tab
[08:32] <andrewlsd> Hi Squirm_
[08:32] <andrewlsd> and Squirm
[08:33] <Kilos> hehe
[08:33]  * andrewlsd thinks there must be a command that can be run at login to disable the touchpad.
[08:33] <Kilos> it should detect it automatically
[08:33] <Kilos> 14.04 had no hassle
[08:34] <Kilos> but thats the only thing bugging me otherwise all good
[08:34] <andrewlsd> This askubuntu page might help. http://askubuntu.com/questions/65951/how-to-disable-the-touchpad
[08:36] <andrewlsd> TIL the usage of `-o` with grep.
[08:48] <Kilos> i go see
[08:54] <Kilos> ai! scripts
[08:54] <Kilos> not today
[08:56] <andrewlsd> ;-(
[08:58] <inetpro> wb Squirm_
[09:37] <theblazehen> morning andrewlsd, all
[09:37] <theblazehen> nsnzero learn linux the hard way seems nice too
[09:38] <theblazehen> andrewlsd /me is running 17.04 with kde
[09:42] <nsnzero> theblazehen: i am learning linux the hardest way - trial and error
[09:42] <theblazehen> andrewlsd currently on plasma 5.9.0, but upgrading now
[09:43] <theblazehen> nsnzero the best :) Was referring to https://web.archive.org/web/20130926213426/http://nixsrv.com/llthw though
[09:44] <theblazehen> also man [1-8] intro
[09:45] <nsnzero> theblazehen: : good link - wating for my browser to boot into bash ...
[09:46] <theblazehen> nsnzero it's just www.bellard.org/jslinux/
[09:46] <theblazehen> htt://copy.sh/v86 is more impressive
[09:47] <theblazehen> http* ffs
[09:49] <nsnzero> there is windows 95 on there !!!
[09:52] <theblazehen> nsnzero /me once booted nyancat in dosbox in arch in browser (chrome) on lubuntu in browser (firefox) on arch on just plain kvm on physical hardware
[09:54] <theblazehen> The trick is to build from the top down, and just include the image in the one lower down. Eg, get dosbox in arch in browser working, then get that working with lubuntu on kvm, then in browser etc
[09:54] <theblazehen> PITA copying data
[09:55] <theblazehen> I can base64 decode stuff, and use xdotool type, but when the terminal would wrap lines then it would drop some key presses as it calculated the line wrap etc
[09:55] <theblazehen> Eventually got it booting in just 10 hours or so
[09:55] <theblazehen> all the way
[09:57] <nsnzero> you got too much time theblazehen
[09:57]  * theblazehen wonders if I should just run my desktop on physical hardware though. Get segfaults in firefox along with errors in kvm logs
[09:57] <theblazehen> nsnzero Eh, most of it was just waiting
[09:57] <nsnzero> my system boots in 42 seconds and i feel thats long
[09:58] <theblazehen> Heh. pc at work is a container, can reboot in around 1.7 seconds according to systemd-analyze
[09:58] <theblazehen> and thats many layers of nested qemu and in browser, no surprise it's slow
[10:00] <theblazehen> And can't just run desktop at home in a container :( Brother needs his pc running windows which means I need to use kvm
[10:01] <nsnzero> dual boot not an option ?
[10:01] <nsnzero> 1.5 seconds is how long i have to hold the power button before my pc switches on !
[10:01] <theblazehen> No
[10:01] <theblazehen> He's using it as a thin client basically
[10:02] <theblazehen> Steam in home streaming
[10:02] <theblazehen> Just my pc that physically has display connected
[10:03] <theblazehen> Faster for him to use steam in home streaming with my faster cpu than it is to run games locally on his pc with his gpu
[10:03] <theblazehen> I tried having multihead on his pc the other day... 2 steam instances, both for streaming with me trying to connect to one instance of steam on his
[10:03] <theblazehen> So much easier on linux
[10:04] <theblazehen> You can even just use virtualgl on linux, no need for a physical monitor
[10:05] <theblazehen> Some people describe my pc setup as complicated...
[10:05] <theblazehen> I used to say that its really cool that I can reboot my hardware without my pc shutting down (live migrated my pc)
[10:07] <theblazehen> It was really cool
[10:07] <theblazehen> But now I can't. Now I'm in a vm I'm limited to the physical hardware :(
[10:08] <nsnzero> i cant even get my vm to go full screen
[10:08] <theblazehen> nsnzero I'm not using vm console
[10:08] <theblazehen> Passing through my gpu
[10:08] <theblazehen> Tried spice before, can't do my 4 monitors right
[10:09] <theblazehen> And I didn't have a pc spare that could use my gpu with vnc
[10:09] <theblazehen> Used to use vnc when I was in a container before. Worked surprisingly well
[10:09] <theblazehen> Actually, I could try that again, now that I have 10 gig ethernet. Should be faster than 1 gig like I used to use
[10:11] <theblazehen> nsnzero http://imgur.com/y0LxTK0 physical hardware at home. There's a pc in those plastic racks that runs my pc and brothers pc
[10:13] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: TIL I have half a GB of icon files in /usr/share: `du -xhsc /usr/share/* | grep -E [0-9]{3}M`
[10:17] <theblazehen> andrewlsd ouch
[10:18] <nsnzero> clever idea - using vegetable racks - i seen bit coin miners using coke crates as cases
[10:18] <theblazehen> nsnzero yeah, was mining cryptocurrency with them around 2013 / 2014 or so
[10:20] <nsnzero> i have a intel based g3258 server lying here doing nothing - going to try what you did
[10:20] <theblazehen> nsnzero you need VT-d for gpu / PCI-e passthrough though
[10:22] <theblazehen> nsnzero http://imgur.com/a/HyGFt <- at work
[10:23] <nsnzero> cpu supports VT-x
[10:24] <theblazehen> Yeah, so just normal virtualization
[10:24] <theblazehen> Not IO virtualization
[10:24] <theblazehen> Do you have a dedicated gpu you use?
[10:24] <theblazehen> Or are you thinking about going the vnc method?
[10:24] <theblazehen> Actually, if you use containers it'll work well without VT-d
[10:25] <theblazehen> I'd recommend containers. Are you going to go thin client or physically attached?
[10:25] <nsnzero> i have a gigabyte n96tzl card - ndvidia but what i cant remember
[10:25] <theblazehen> I previously went thin client because I didn't have long enough cabled, but directly attached is what I do at work, works really well
[10:26] <theblazehen> What kind of specs does the server have?
[10:27] <theblazehen> https://linx.li/uqrf6nii.txt my specs
[10:28] <nsnzero> dual core pentium G3258 @ 3.2GHz 16G Ram - 4T HDD - i will have to open it to see the pci-e slots its got dual ethernet ports
[10:29] <theblazehen> Cool. But yeah, if you go with containers you don't need anything special regarding VT-d, should "just work"
[10:30] <theblazehen> Pass through the X socket / use X over tcp, and virtualgl for the rendering
[10:30] <theblazehen> Let me know when you want the configs for that, since it took a little while to get them running
[10:31] <nsnzero> will do it as soon as i get some free time to mess around
[10:31] <theblazehen> Cool
[10:41] <nsnzero> going to but 25 new computers for the school - 97k - guess by next week i will have a couple extra spares to play around with
[10:42] <nsnzero> i need to NAS for my media player - 4 externals making my dvd stand look untidy
[10:45] <theblazehen> Nice. Yeah, /me is using old thin client for storage. 9x 1 TB HDD in raid 6 and 1x 256 GB SSD for cache
[10:46]  * theblazehen needs to consider ceph though
[10:46] <theblazehen> But then, storage will be limited by network
[10:46] <theblazehen> Unless I get a 10 gig switch
[10:46] <theblazehen> Right now it's just with a crossover cable
[10:48] <theblazehen> Although I can still only get around 3.5 gbit sequential read with it
[10:50] <theblazehen> nsnzero are those windows PCs?
[11:36] <nsnzero> yes - windows and office are required by the school syllabus
[11:37] <theblazehen> Cool. What do you use for config management and stuff there?
[11:39] <nsnzero> i dont administer those pc's - they arent connected to the admin network
[11:42] <nsnzero> only 3 linux machines in the school my computers and the ubuntu server
[15:30] <Kilos> anyone know what this is http://pasteboard.co/z4zSocn72.jpg
[15:30] <Kilos> inetpro hyou look as well
[15:31] <Kilos> and paddatrapper
[15:31] <Kilos> Maaz tell langjan http://pasteboard.co/z4zSocn72.jpg
[15:31] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto, I'll tell Langjan on freenode
[15:35] <Kilos> have you ever seen one like this you youngsters
[15:35] <Kilos> http://pasteboard.co/z4FxyKJ4D.jpg
[15:36] <Kilos> that one is older than me
[16:00] <chesedo> dit is 'n bobejaan spenner oom Kilos
[16:00] <chesedo> ... ken nie die engelse term nie
[16:00] <Kilos> ja maar sien jy die groote daarvan
[16:00] <Kilos> monkey wrench
[16:01] <chesedo> ooh nou sien ek...
[16:01] <Kilos> lol
[16:01] <Kilos> kom uit my pa se gereedskap trommel
[16:02] <chesedo> en die onderste 'gryp' is ook beweegbaar
[16:02] <chesedo> ... of so lyk dit
[16:02] <Kilos> ja mooi klein ding maar my seun het die ding nou gebreek deaur te groot goed te probeer los maak
[16:06] <chesedo> i was looking into new razors a while ago, then wanted to get a safety razor or a razor knife...
[16:06] <chesedo> the pictures of safety razors looked familiar... and my dad could confirm that we have one that he got from his dad
[16:06] <chesedo> turns out that it was thrown away in the last year... left me quite disappointed as the thought of a inheritance item seemed really exciting
[16:11] <Kilos> i have one somewhere, those the barbers used to use, you gotta be an expert with it or you can cut your own throat off
[16:12] <Kilos> its that blade that folds into a handle and you sharpen on a leather strop i think it was called
[16:12] <chesedo> yip that's the one...
[16:13] <Kilos> but i have a kershaw biltong knife sharpened enough to shave with as well
[16:13] <Kilos> hehe
[16:13] <chesedo> one also practise before hand on a baloon or so... and use slow and smooth strokes
[16:14] <Kilos> haha i wont bring that near my face , its like a doctos scalpel, cuts flesh like a knife through warm butter
[16:15] <Kilos> and my boet used to shave with one without even using a mirror
[16:15] <Kilos> i actually gave him three
[16:15] <Kilos> you gotta get the angle 100%
[16:16] <Kilos> or wipe up lotsa blood
[16:16] <Kilos> so chesedo what has happened at last meetings ive missed
[16:17] <chesedo> oh boy, i cannot remember
[16:17] <Kilos> sorry for missing them but the 9 hour time diffs from aus was too much for a ballie
[16:17] <chesedo> Maaz: last meeting
[16:17] <Maaz> chesedo: *blink*
[16:17] <Kilos> as long as nothing major was missed then np
[16:18] <chesedo> Kilos: we understood
[16:18] <Kilos> thanks
[16:19] <chesedo> besides you are more fun here during the day, having to sleep just to make a meeting
[16:19] <chesedo> in short there are a lot of events coming up...
[16:20] <chesedo> like GLUG may have a party for its 10th birthday
[16:20] <chesedo> two new guys also learned to chair (andrewlsd and paddatrapper)
[16:21] <chesedo> kelulu88 is also interested in chairing but missed the last one
[16:21] <Kilos> oh are they still alive
[16:21] <Kilos> great
[16:22] <chesedo> that reminds... tareq88 was looking for ubuntu membership (which we track in the meeting)... do you have any updates on it?
[16:22] <Kilos> ty for carrying us till new chairs showed up
[16:22] <chesedo> np
[16:22]  * chesedo also still happy to chair anytime
[16:22] <Kilos> ill ask the membership board
[16:23] <chesedo> Kilos: don't you have contact with tareq
[16:23] <chesedo> ?
[16:23] <Kilos> i dont know
[16:23] <Kilos> memory getting worse
[16:24] <Kilos> name doesnt wring a bell at all
[16:24] <Kilos> ring
[16:24] <Kilos> ai! even spelling got worse
[16:24] <chesedo> from bangladish or india or somewhere there
[16:24] <Kilos> oh
[16:25] <Kilos> if he comes here tell him to ping me please
[16:25] <Kilos> i dont see him in those channels atm
[16:25] <chesedo> no, we have not heard of him since. so thought that you had contact with him...
[16:25] <Kilos> ill ask pavlushka
[16:26] <chesedo> Maaz: last minutes
[16:26] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2017-01-24-18-30-31.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2017-01-24-18-30-31.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2017-01-24-18-30-31.html
[16:26] <chesedo> found them ^^^
[16:26] <Kilos> cool ty
[16:26] <Kilos> why didnt the pro attend
[16:27] <chesedo> oh, what happened to our reverification ?
[16:27] <Kilos> dont ever let him get away with anything
[16:27] <chesedo> Kilos: give me a minute (possible more) to think of a good excuse
[16:27] <Kilos> no further news on that , i think that team is having hassles
[16:27] <Kilos> hahaha
[16:28] <Kilos> you gotta remember if you give a van der merwe your pinkie he will take your whole arm soon so you gotta keep a tight reign on them
[16:28]  * Kilos hides
[16:28] <chesedo> lol
[16:33] <Kilos> actually i think my pro is struggling to keep up with everything, he is old you know
[16:33] <Kilos> you youngsters should start taking over more
[16:34] <Kilos> and crash kid left the usa and gone to the uk now
[16:34] <chesedo> sounds like he is counted amongst the youngsters
[16:35] <Kilos> hehe
[16:35] <Kilos> he is a stalward fellow
[16:35] <chesedo> at least frogboots is another youngster that is active
[16:35] <Kilos> yes im happy bout you guys hanging in there , ty
[16:36]  * chesedo now just have to get blaze too
[16:37] <Kilos> theblazehen we talking bout you
[16:37] <chesedo> happy and starry is also young as i understand, but from europe as it seems
[16:37] <chesedo> and there is jerit too
[16:38] <Kilos> blaze was in pts wasnt he?
[16:38] <chesedo> yes we met at SFD 2015
[16:39] <Kilos> so what you mean from europe then?
[16:39] <chesedo> they are both in europe right?
[16:39] <Kilos> who?
[16:40] <chesedo> smile and night
[16:40] <Kilos> smile is in belgium
[16:40] <Kilos> who is night
[16:40] <Kilos> i cant remember him saying much
[16:40] <Kilos> night ping
[16:41] <Kilos> maybe its daytime there so hell be on later
[16:41] <chesedo> night time
[16:42] <Kilos> yeah maybe he becones day when the sun is shining
[16:42] <Kilos> becomes
[16:42] <Kilos> or vice versa
[16:43] <chesedo> oh lol
[16:43] <Kilos> hehe
[16:44] <chesedo> clever  that one
[16:44] <Kilos> hahaha
[16:45] <Kilos> Maaz tell langjan i got those vit c tabs
[16:45] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay, I'll tell Langjan on freenode
[16:45] <Kilos> R150 for rich peeps
[16:49]  * paddatrapper feels his ears tingling
[16:49] <Kilos> hee hee
[16:49] <Kilos> hi there frogboots
[16:50] <Kilos> ty for chairing
[16:50] <Kilos> i see pro di attend
[16:50] <Kilos> did
[16:50] <paddatrapper> Hey Kilos. Anytime
[16:51] <Kilos> nee man yanks say hey
[16:51] <Kilos> hi much more sophisticated
[16:51] <Kilos> you watch too many movies
[16:52] <paddatrapper> Môre oom is the most sophisticated of them all
[16:52] <paddatrapper> Hehe
[16:56] <chesedo> lol
[16:56] <Kilos> yip
[16:56] <Kilos> amazing the power of brainwashing movies have
[16:57] <Kilos> the whole world says hey
[16:57] <Kilos> sickening'hey bro
[16:57] <Kilos> yuck
[17:20] <smile> Kilos: indeed :)
[17:20] <smile> I'm in Belgium
[17:20] <Kilos> hehe
[17:21] <Kilos> but you from netherlands smile ?
[17:21] <smile> Kilos: no *angry face*
[17:21] <smile> :p
[17:21] <Kilos> oh are you belgium through and throough
[17:21] <smile> yeah
[17:21] <smile> :D
[17:22] <Kilos> cool i wont forget again'
[17:22] <smile> but maybe I'm Flemish, Kilos ;)
[17:22] <Kilos> maybe its because you do thatwiki stuff
[17:22] <Kilos> what you mean maybe
[17:22] <smile> yeah, nl.wikipedia.org is the "language version", not the Wikipedia for the Netherlands
[17:22] <Kilos> you dunno what you are?
[17:23] <Kilos> aha
[17:23] <smile> Kilos: nationality is Belgium, identity is Flemish? :p
[17:23] <Kilos> ok
[17:23] <smile> I hardly ever visit the other side of the country
[17:23] <smile> :p
[17:23] <Kilos> no nice girls there?
[17:23] <smile> sure, but they speak French :o
[17:24] <Kilos> haha thats the language of love
[17:24] <Kilos> so they say
[17:24] <Kilos> i actually had some dealings with ubuntu france once
[17:25] <Kilos> forget why, to fix some loco or something
[17:25] <Kilos> and melodie is from france
[17:43] <chesedo> smile: do you also speak flemish?
[17:55] <smile> chesedo: sure, it's Belgian-Dutch :p
[17:55] <smile> just like you speak South African-English :P
[17:59] <nsnzero> evening all
[18:12] <chesedo> from my understanding it is the closest thing to afrikaans... even closer than netherlands
[18:13] <chesedo> evening nsnzero
[18:14]  * chesedo actually speaks american english since he was homeschooled on a american system (for the most parts)
[18:14] <nsnzero> hi chesedo
[18:14] <Kilos> ai!
[18:14] <Kilos> thats where the hey comes from
[18:14] <nsnzero> hi Kilos
[18:14] <Kilos> poor kid
[18:14] <Kilos> hi nsnzero
[18:15] <chesedo> it kind of bit me in the butt with my matric as i most propably used the wrong spelling for a lot of words
[18:15] <chesedo> hey that aint nice Kilos :P
[18:16] <Kilos> sorry
[18:16] <Kilos> lol
[18:16] <Kilos> thats the correct place to use hey
[18:16] <Kilos> not hey as hello
[18:17] <chesedo> it is like people using loads for a lot
[18:17] <Kilos> when you in a crowded place shout hey and watch everyone spin around and look guilty
[18:17] <Kilos> then you sing you got to hide your love away and they all look sheepish
[18:17] <chesedo> i would always try to dare them to say, "that is a lot of load for..."
[18:18] <Kilos> lol
[18:20] <smile> chesedo: yeah :) indeed
[18:20] <smile> (late reaction :P )
[18:20] <smile> ek hêt stiekem met jou gedans, Kilos :P
[18:21] <Kilos> stiekem?
[18:22] <smile> geheim. :p
[18:25] <smile> Kilos: do you know that? :p
[18:25] <chesedo> skelm
[18:26]  * chesedo thinks that sounds familiar
[18:28] <smile> geniep, indeed :p
[18:30] <paddatrapper> chesedo: written Flemish is like Afrikaans. I am still unable to understand it spoken, even though I can speak both Afrikaans and Dutch
[18:30] <smile> korrek :)
[18:32] <nsnzero> goeie nag almal
[18:32] <paddatrapper> Languages are interesting things. Wish I had the time and the brain to learn more...
[18:34] <smile> nag? :p het is 19:34 XD
[18:34] <smile> you need only a handful of languages :)
[18:35] <smile> my French isn't as good as it used to be
[18:35] <smile> A friend from Sweden has learned Dutch :)
[18:35] <smile> he's pretty good at it
[18:36] <smile> we can really have conversations :)
[18:37] <paddatrapper> Nice. I guess I just feel I should be able to communicate in all three of the major languages in CT (English, Afrikaans and isiXhosa)
[18:39] <paddatrapper> En je bent een uur agter we :p
[18:42] <chesedo> paddatrapper: i've used DuoLingo to learn new languages in the past
[18:44] <paddatrapper> chesedo: I've tried (was initially how I learnt Dutch), but I find I get distracted, busy, etc and don't go on regularly. I probably should set a reminder or something
[18:44] <paddatrapper> My list of things I'd like to do is always way bigger than the list of things I can ever get done
[18:45] <chesedo> paddatrapper: same here... i started on hebrews and a while ago netherlands with my brother, but also got distracted
[18:46] <chesedo> well actually studies keeping me busy more than i like
[18:47] <paddatrapper> chesedo: yeah. Dutch I only learned because I was I was living there, so it was constantly in my face. Studies will definitely be crazy when they finally start again!
[18:47]  * chesedo is almost half way with the semester
[18:48] <chesedo> will be done mostly by the end of march
[18:48] <paddatrapper> We start end of March!
[18:48] <paddatrapper> Well mid-March
[18:50] <chesedo> fly used to say that you are laid back over there :P
[18:50]  * chesedo has first assignments due next week
[18:54] <Langjan> Hi guys, Kilos how are you doing?
[18:54] <Langjan> Hi inetpro
[18:55] <Kilos> hi Langjan
[18:55] <paddatrapper> We're very laid back, when you write all your exams in December and don't differ anything to Jan/Feb. Don't envy those who have just finished their exams
[18:55] <paddatrapper> Hi Langjan
[18:55] <Langjan> Hi paddatrapper
[18:55] <Kilos> im quite good ty
[18:55] <paddatrapper> Kilos: ^ see I can use hi correctly :)
[18:56] <Kilos> had a tough morning but now lekker
[18:56] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:56] <Kilos> well done
[18:56] <Langjan> Good
[18:57] <Kilos> how are you and mommy Langjan
[18:57] <Kilos> and what did you break?
[18:57] <Kilos> hee hee hee
[18:57] <Langjan> Kilos,  we are fine thks
[18:58] <Langjan> Still looking for something to break...lmga!
[18:58] <Kilos> lol
[18:58] <Kilos> wbb just gonna eat something and ake meds
[18:58] <Kilos> take
[18:59] <Langjan> OK eet lekker.  I have scroll back to previous sessions ticked on hexchat but do not see the sessions?
[18:59] <chesedo> goedenacht or good night all
[18:59] <Langjan> G'night chesedo
[19:00] <chesedo> Kilos: why you eating so late:P
[19:00] <Langjan> inetpro, sorry about that site, it should be open now, I checked in a few minutes ago
[19:01] <Langjan> chesedo,  he has to eat with meds otherwise they eat his stomache
[19:02] <Langjan> Meds are a delicate knife-edge, I hate the stuff
[19:03] <Kilos> forgot chesedo ate home grown watermelo earlier so wasnt hungry
[19:04] <Kilos> yeah but
[19:04] <Langjan> Watermelon does not stop my hunger, only makes me P
[19:04] <Kilos> atm till the vitc starts working they keeping me alive'
[19:04] <Kilos> haha
[19:05] <Kilos> pills to lower bp and slow pulse down
[19:05] <Kilos> and open arteries
[19:05] <Kilos> and
[19:05] <Kilos> um
[19:05] <Langjan> You can take 1 000 mg/day vit C
[19:05] <Kilos> make it so attacks arent fatal etc etc
[19:05] <Langjan> Or Foodstate 100 mg gives better result
[19:05] <Kilos> lemme see what i got
[19:07] <Kilos> 250mg for R150 cant afford more than that
[19:07] <Kilos> i hear there is a stuffup coming with next months pension as well
[19:08] <Kilos> the company that organises the payouts is leaving or something and they havent got a replacement in place yet
[19:08] <Kilos> more is nog n dag attitude
[19:09] <Langjan> Foodstate is R166 for 30x200 mg, one 200 mg gives you utilised equivalent to 3 000 mg synthetic
[19:10] <Kilos> Langjan i forwarded the mail about it to you
[19:10] <Kilos> oh ian said R150
[19:10] <Langjan> when did you send mail?
[19:11] <Kilos> now
[19:11] <Langjan> I saw your bobbejaan via Maaz
[19:12] <Kilos> ya this is foodstate and shows only 250 mg vit c and 80 mg bioflavonoids
[19:12] <Kilos> lekker small one hey
[19:13] <Langjan> OK thats not the Sportron brand but same technology, excellent! Take 2 per day (double dose) for a week or so
[19:14] <Langjan> You not receiving your pension?
[19:15] <Langjan> Kilos, how do I activate scroll back to previous sessions on hexchat? Its ticked but does not show
[19:16]  * pavlushka ahoy ZA
[19:16] <Kilos> ai!
[19:16] <Langjan> Ahoy pavlushka
[19:16] <Kilos> i never had a prob i just turn the roller in the mouse and it works
[19:16] <Kilos> hi pavlushka
[19:17] <Kilos> use a proper mouse Langjan
[19:17] <Kilos> hehe
[19:17] <Kilos> one with a wheel between the buttons
[19:19] <Langjan> Mine is a male mouse, no buttons
[19:20] <Langjan> Xchat used to work fine, cant remember if I have seen Hexchat do it
[19:22] <Kilos> ian asks for a decent multivit
[19:22] <Kilos> you must know which one is best
[19:22] <Langjan> Best by far is Ultragard
[19:22] <Kilos> ty ill tell him
[19:23] <Langjan> He wont find it in Rustenburg though
[19:23] <Langjan> Does he go to Pretoria?
[19:23] <Langjan> Otherwise we can do overnight speed services
[19:24] <Kilos> not often , where in pta must he go
[19:24] <pavlushka> Hi and Hello Kilos , Langjan  :)
[19:24] <Kilos> he will go when a client there has scanner probs
[19:24] <Kilos> who is it from Langjan
[19:24] <Kilos> you making me walk lots to front of house to tell him
[19:25] <Kilos> he got the vitc from dischem
[19:26] <Kilos> diskem
[19:26] <Langjan> Sorry there are depots in Rustenburg: http://www.ascendisdirect.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Depots-and-Centres-4.pdf
[19:26] <Kilos> daai plek
[19:26] <Langjan> He must use my number, its 31127
[19:26] <Langjan> Depots are 10% mark-up over Pretoria prices
[19:27] <Langjan> Pretoria centre also indicated on pdf in link I sent
[19:29] <Langjan> He can either just buy on my number or register himself as a member under my number, its free but members get many extra benefits.
[19:29] <Kilos> cool ty for that my friend
[19:30] <Langjan> Yes Dischem will sell the Foodstate brand but probably not Ultragard
[19:32] <Kilos> cool ty
[19:33] <Langjan> Let him check, prices will be R291,50 for 30 and R546 for 60 at the depot. Pretoria R265 and 496.
[19:33] <Kilos> holy smoke
[19:33] <Kilos> we might do without them
[19:35] <Langjan> Its the best investment in your health that you can do. Will mail some info for you. If you compare with non-foodstate multivits you must multiply quantities by 10
[19:40] <Kilos> cool ty
[19:43] <Kilos> can you cc the mail to ian as well Langjan please
[19:43] <Kilos><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:43] <Kilos> shoulda done that in pm i spose
[19:45] <Langjan> Done Kilos
[19:46] <Kilos> th my friend
[19:46] <Kilos> ty as well also too
[19:46] <Kilos> i dont need multivits just clean arteries
[19:46] <Langjan> My pleasure, now bedtime
[19:47] <Kilos> sleep tight and say hi to Juannita for me
[19:47] <Langjan> Vit C is excellent but we all need the multis
[19:47] <Langjan> Will do thks and regards to Ian and the girls when you chat
[19:47] <Kilos> just now you will be trying to sell me viagra
[19:47] <Langjan> Ouch!
[19:47] <Kilos> ty will do
[19:47] <Kilos> lol
[19:47] <Kilos> joking man
[19:47] <Langjan> Lmga!
[19:48] <Kilos> gaan slaap toppie
[19:48] <Langjan>  You will let me join you in the heart ATTACK scenario
[19:48] <Kilos> lmga
[19:48] <Langjan> Slaap lekker Kilos dankie vir die chat
[19:49] <Kilos> dankie vir die kuier
[19:49] <Langjan> my plesier
[19:49] <Kilos> visit and the info
[19:49] <Langjan> hope it helps
[19:49] <Kilos> yip me too
[19:49] <Langjan> dont be scared to overdose on vit C
[19:50] <Langjan> you cannot
[19:50] <Kilos> might still need to see a doc approved by OZ before going back
[19:50] <Kilos> costs will limit me
[19:50] <Langjan> In bowls we say take some grass and add it to weight
[19:51] <Langjan> lmga
[19:51] <Langjan> jy weet wat ek meen seuntjie
[19:51] <Langjan> lekker slaap
[20:35] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight