[02:16] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Stephen Michael Kellat: Social Media Presences Terminated So Far Today @ http://skellat.freeshell.org/blog/social-media-presences-terminated-so-far-today.html
[03:30] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: KDE Plasma 5.14: Default Wallpaper Revealed @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=133512 (by Joey Sneddon)
[08:28] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Didier Roche: Open The Cosmic Gate: A beautiful theme gets a beautiful name @ https://didrocks.fr/2018/07/24/open-the-cosmic-gate-a-beautiful-theme-gets-a-beautiful-name/
[09:56] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Fridge:: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 537 @ http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2018/07/23/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-537/ (by krytarik)
[10:05] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: Ubuntu 18.10's New Community Theme Is Named Yaru, Here's What It Looks Like @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-18-10-s-new-community-theme-is-named-yaru-here-s-what-it-looks-like-522085.shtml (by Marius Nestor)
[11:10] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: New SteamOS Stable Release Brings Latest Updates from Debian GNU/Linux 8.11 @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/new-steamos-stable-release-brings-latest-updates-from-debian-gnu-linux-8-11-522086.shtml (by Marius Nestor)
[13:12] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: ExTiX "The Ultimate Linux System" Now Uses Linux 4.18, Based on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/extix-the-ultimate-linux-system-now-uses-linux-4-18-based-on-ubuntu-18-04-lts-522089.shtml (by Marius Nestor)
[13:57] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: “Yaru” is the name of #Ubuntu’s new desktop theme @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=133635 (by Joey Sneddon)
[16:02] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: LibreOffice 6.1 On Track for Mid-August Release as Second RC Is Out for Testing @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/libreoffice-6-1-on-track-for-mid-august-release-as-second-rc2-is-out-for-testing-522090.shtml (by Marius Nestor)
[16:56] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: Canonical Donates More Devices to UBports to Keep Ubuntu Touch Dream Alive @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-donates-more-devices-to-ubports-to-keep-ubuntu-touch-dream-alive-522091.shtml (by Marius Nestor)
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> $$$$$
[21:38] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS Release Candidate Images Are Now Available for Testing @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-18-04-1-lts-release-candidate-images-are-now-available-for-testing-522095.shtml (by Marius Nestor)
[21:44] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Jono Bacon: Video: Interview About the Evolution and Professionalization of Community Management @ https://www.jonobacon.com/2018/07/24/video-interview-about-the-evolution-and-professionalization-of-community-management/


[01:14] <ubotu> Pelo called the ops in #ubuntu
[03:41] <ubotu> Pelo called the ops in #ubuntu
[03:43] <Amaranth> tonyyarusso: twintop looks fishy
[03:44] <tonyyarusso> Amaranth: in what way?
[03:44] <mneptok> sorry. i farted.
[03:44] <Amaranth> tonyyarusso: almost the exact same hostmask and joined after the other quit
[03:44] <tonyyarusso> aaah
[03:44] <Amaranth> weird that the guy didn't get killed by nalioth
[03:46] <tonyyarusso> the script is disabled these days
[03:58] <nalioth> Amaranth: my script doesn't run all the time
[03:59] <ShackJack> Test me please -- did this just change - I was on #ubuntu just fine a few minutes ago?
[04:00] <nalioth> ShackJack: #ubuntu was just tested by the troll testing network to find faulty routers
[04:00] <nalioth> ShackJack: did you reconnect using an alternate port?
[04:00] <ShackJack> nailoth - yep - though I had though I did the fix already on this computer...
[04:01] <nalioth> well, let's see
[04:02] <nalioth> ShackJack: you can join #ubuntu now, and thanks for your patience  :)
[04:02] <ShackJack> Thanks...
[04:33] <Mez> tonyyarusso, ftw
[04:33] <tonyyarusso> lol
[08:58] <Myrtti> I'm slowly starting to think erika14212 is a troll
[11:16] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: did we ever ascertain if erika was trolling?
[11:17] <Myrtti> I don't know what ticks me off in her
[11:18] <Myrtti> but I'm feeling dubious about the pattern of her behaviour
[11:18] <Hobbsee> she's whining in -bugs now
[11:18] <Hobbsee> certainly ESL
[11:20] <Myrtti> so it's just not me?
[11:20] <Hobbsee> i dont think so
[11:20] <Myrtti> I've been on IRC way too long
[11:34] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee, Myrtti: I'd say definitely is.  Moaning and threatening to quit Ubuntu in -us now.
[11:35] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: urgh
[11:35] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: she's been told where to file a bug, so...
[11:36] <Hobbsee> and says she'll use it
[12:32] <Albuxa> OLA KIEN KIERE
[12:53] <ubotu> MilhousePunkRock called the ops in #kubuntu
[01:48] <Vorian> thanks for the help in -us Hobbsee :)
[01:49] <Hobbsee> Vorian: :)
[01:49] <Hobbsee> Vorian: i did nothing, but...
[01:49] <Vorian> I know, but thanks none the less :)
[01:49] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:49] <pleia2> Hobbsee: stop making garbage software :x
[01:50] <Hobbsee> pleia2: but why?  it's so much fun!
[01:50] <pleia2> hehe
[01:50] <Vorian> lol
[01:50] <Hobbsee> pleia2: what's broken now?
[01:50] <pleia2> Hobbsee: nothing, just re: erika
[01:50] <Hobbsee> pleia2: ahhh.  :)
[01:50] <Hobbsee> pleia2: that's something done off the forums.  Vorian, tell your users to not create crack.
[01:50] <pleia2> lol
[01:51] <Hobbsee> actually, i think cjwatson's helping with that now.
[01:51] <Vorian> Hobbsee, I will do my best!
[01:51] <Hobbsee> Vorian: great!  :)
[01:51] <pleia2> Hobbsee: have you ever considered going to aKademy?
[01:51] <Hobbsee> Vorian: also, please kick the forum users in the backside, including the FA's, and get them fixing bugs
[01:51] <Vorian> Hobbsee, is there a specific thread you need "edited" ;)
[01:51] <Hobbsee> pleia2: only very, very vaguely
[01:51] <Hobbsee> Vorian: no.  just the windows installer
[01:51] <Vorian> ah
[01:51] <Vorian> hehe
[01:51] <pleia2> we're trying to bring it to the US in 2008
[01:52] <Hobbsee> pleia2: why would you want to go to the US, though?
[01:52] <Hobbsee> it's bad enough that UDS will be in the US in november...
[01:52] <pleia2> Hobbsee: I live here :)
[01:52] <Hobbsee> and?
[01:53] <pleia2> and there has never been one in the US before
[01:53] <Hobbsee> meh
[01:53] <Hobbsee> catching a short plane flight wont kill you :)
[01:54] <pleia2> heh, well I don't even use KDE (never have) but a guy who went to it this year came back with the though of bringing it here, and since he's currently unemployed has taken the lead in a team to bring it here
[01:54] <pleia2> and since I'm all "yay local stuff" I jumped on board
[01:55] <pleia2> will probably drag my loco team into helping out if it actually works out
[01:56] <elkbuntu> pleia2, the UDS before spain was in california
[01:56] <pleia2> elkbuntu: talking about aKademy, not UDS
[01:57] <elkbuntu> oh, /me reads up further
[01:57] <pleia2> :)
[01:57] <elkbuntu> watching tv and ircing doesnt always go well :
[01:57] <pleia2> hehe
[01:59] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: no, tends not to :P
[02:28] <jenda> after... 3 months or so of toil...
[02:33] <elkbuntu> yay
[02:33] <elkbuntu> the translation?
[03:09] <Hobbsee> Vorian: your users are smoking some serious crack.
[03:09] <Hobbsee> Vorian: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=524374 and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=526108 for a couple
[03:10] <Vorian> lol
[03:11] <Vorian> It's funny and sad to see when new users try the development releases
[03:11] <Hobbsee> Vorian: well, we didnt break X for long periods of time this time, so the new users thought they might try it.
[03:11] <Hobbsee> Vorian: there's a good reason why X should break each release
[03:12] <Vorian> lol
[03:12] <Vorian> I love when you see a thread that starts out "NOT FOR BEGINNERS"
[03:12] <Vorian> and the first response is
[03:12] <Vorian> "I'm a noob, I need help fixing foo"
[03:12] <Vorian> oh well
[03:13] <Vorian> helps them learn faster i suppose
[03:13] <elkbuntu> Vorian, beginners dont yet understand 'not for' ;)
[04:25] <erikja> hi, iwant to be tested,thanks!
[04:26] <Hobbsee> erikja: you're fine, ban removed.  thanks for your patience
[04:26] <erikja> Hobbsee, thanks a lot, bye!
[04:33] <OgMaciel> morning all
[04:33] <nalioth> hi
[04:38] <elkbuntu_> hi og :)
[04:53] <Pici> Sigh.. Erika is back in #ubuntu
[04:54] <Hobbsee> sigh
[04:54] <Hobbsee> feel free to +b at first infraction
[06:11] <mneptok> OgMaciel!
[06:13] <Hobbsee> hiya mneptok
[06:31] <stdin> how did a story of some community servers needing security updates turn in to " ubuntu servers (5 out of 8) being hacked" ?? *sigh*
[06:32] <mc44> well, they did actually get hacked
[06:32] <stdin> nope
[06:33] <mc44> yes
[06:33] <stdin> they were just using ftp (instead of sftp) afaik
[06:34] <mc44> stdin: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2007-August/001510.html
[06:34] <stdin> thanks
[06:34] <mc44> "On Monday evening (UK time) it was reported that one of the hosted
[06:34] <mc44> community servers that Canonical sponsors had been compromised.  After
[06:34] <mc44> investigation, it became apparent that 5 of the 8 machines had been
[06:34] <mc44> compromised."
[06:35] <stdin> ahh yes, I guess my point was, they wern't ubuntu servers, but community maintained ones
[06:35] <mc44> yes
[06:35] <stdin> and people seem to think the official ubuntu (canonical) ones were hacked and the packages compromised
[06:36] <mc44> because slashdot is inaccurate. What a surprise :)
[06:36] <Hobbsee> ah yes, this si what's in the marketing team ML at the moment
[06:53] <Hobbsee> right, erika is committing to trolling about that bug, so please treat her as such
[06:57] <PriceChild> hmm?
[06:58] <PriceChild> Oh and "wolferine"..... *checks bantracker*
[07:00] <PriceChild> lots of lovely bans from march.... *watches*
[07:01] <Gary> popcorn?
[07:01] <stdin> nah, cheese nachos :)
[07:48] <OgMaciel> mneptok: hey dude
 another reason i do not like irc moderation to be done via mailing list
[08:55] <ubotu> imbecile called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic
 does anyone know if ubuntu can be installed on a computer?  i want to install ubuntu on a computer
[09:02] <PriceChild> *readies self*
[09:03] <mc44> suggest a toaster
[09:04] <nalioth> PriceChild: suggest an air conditioning thermostat (the one with the i386 chip in them that's the size of a pencil eraser foot print)
[09:04] <PriceChild> aww he left :(
[09:05] <PriceChild> *was about to copy/paste and add a little cruft around*
[09:10] <Amaranth> have we ever seen a Pie-rate?
[09:11] <PriceChild> rings a bell
[09:11] <Amaranth> did we ban him? :)
[09:11] <Amaranth> @btlogin
[09:11] <Pici> yes
[09:12] <PriceChild> once by "BirthdayHobbsee" :)
[09:12] <Pici> ;)
[09:12] <Amaranth> ban tracker is broken
[09:12] <Pici> Refresh it a few times
[09:12] <Amaranth> he got banned from #winehq and is now complaining on the wine dev list
[09:12] <Amaranth> thought he sounded familiar
[09:12] <PriceChild> Didn't understand what the dcc exploit was
[09:13] <Amaranth> oh, that's a stupid ban :/
[09:13] <Amaranth> anyhow...
[09:14] <PriceChild> removed 10 minutes later so its all good
[09:38] <PriceChild> Pelo just suggested an edit to the !envy factoid to the effect of reminding users that its a sin.
[09:39] <mneptok> OgMaciel: don't see you on IRC much. where do you hide?
[09:39] <mneptok> :)
[09:41] <mc44> PriceChild: "see also: !lust"
[09:56] <OgMaciel> mneptok: they've been keeping me busy here at rPath ;)
[12:01] <mneptok> I ARRIVE LIKE THE DAWN, RADIANT AND PERFECT!
[12:01] <mneptok> now, could someone please DCC my meds?
[12:07] <mneptok> nothing says "i care" like a General Electric CF6-50 turbofan through you skull
[12:11] <jussi01> hmmm, would someone remind me how to un-op myself in my channel?
[12:11] <PriceChild> jussi01, /deop nick
[12:11] <jussi01> thanks PriceChild :)
[12:12] <nalioth> jussi01: if you want to be slick, /msg chanserv op #channel -jussi01 <enter>
[12:13] <jussi01> nalioth: nah.... im not _that_ slick :P
[12:13] <nalioth> jussi01: <hint> script it </hint>
[12:15] <jussi01> nalioth: its no big deal really, its my own channel, has a population of about 5-10 at peak times... ;)
[12:15] <nalioth> but the script will work on any channel (if you script it right)
[12:16] <PriceChild> What client are you on jussi01 ?
[12:17] <jussi01> nalioth: feel free to version me...
[12:17] <jussi01> konversation ;)
[12:17] <ubotu> In ubotu, Jazzva said: !eol is eol
[12:17] <jrib>  /quote chanserv op #ubuntu jrib   ftw


 Sone be 100 :P
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> lol
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> lets hope
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: ubuntu machines, have yet to come
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: the ubports guys doing a great job already
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> so perhaps phone/tablets in the future
[05:56] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Let's hope you sell as quick as you can build .
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> lol
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> i can
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: ive chosen some quick resellers, order today, deliver tomorrow
[05:59] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: My Daddy told me; buy something, do not hold it long - sell for more than you paid for it ... make money :)
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: thats the idea :p
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: in intrepeneur class they told me also, dont build up a stock..thats sleeping money..order when someone needs it
[06:02] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Uh huh .. supply the demand - happy customers keep comming back and tell others .
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[06:08] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Me eyes be crossing .. need to cease and desist . Let you handle the light work in main :)
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> nitenite my friend
[06:08] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> hey lordievader
[06:09] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje
[06:09] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> great lordievader and you?
[06:09] <lordievader> Doing good here, bit tired.
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> oh
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: sold this one last for a customer: http://www.lotuscomputers.be/index.php?route=product/product&path=62&product_id=72
[06:23] <lordievader> Ah you are doing smartphones too?
[06:24] <lordievader> Small nitpick issue, wouldn't you put the euro sign in front?
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: i can ask my admin, but i would guess this is builtin opencart already
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: i will sell everything a user asks, except a machine with windows
[06:25] <lordievader> Not even dual-boots :P
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: im also waiting the ubports guys development for smartphones/tablets
[06:26] <lordievader> Ubports?
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: mariogrip with his ubuntu-touch ports: #ubports
[06:27] <lordievader> Ah, never looked much into that.
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: their new site is pretty nice: ubports.com
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> they got a telegram group to communicate
[06:30] <jink> "Herbron" is dat een woord?  Of is dat een Belgisch grapje?
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> jink: aka: resource
[06:31] <lordievader> jink: I was wondering that too...
[06:31] <jink> Sure, I get what it says, but I've never heard it before.
[06:31] <lordievader> Honestly don't think it is in a dutch dictionary.
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> it surely does
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> http://www.vlaamswoordenboek.be/definities/toon/12766
[06:32] <jink> http://vandale.nl/opzoeken?pattern=herbronnen&lang=nn
[06:32] <jink> Rare Belgen. :')
[06:32] <lordievader> I was about the link to that, jink ;)
[06:33] <lordievader> Still, my statement hold :P It is not in 'dutch' dictionary.
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> the word is used all over the net
[06:38] <jink> http://www.vandale.nl/frikadel-of-frikandel
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> jink: to start a business, everyone can choose a name of choice
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> once we had a guy at our door selling police-magazine
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> so we called the police, and they said in belgium everyone can choose a business name of choice, as long its not 'police'
[06:41] <jink> lotuspsychje: :D
[06:42] <jink> Same here, really.  You can go to the Kamer van Koophandel and register a name, and someone will tell you if you can use it.
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> exactly
[08:42] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[08:43] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[08:43] <EriC^^> how's it going?
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> great, 3 days off
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> sunny today, not too heat
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: got a samsung a3 galaxy delivered for a customer :p
[08:44] <lotuspsychje> pretty neat device
[08:44] <EriC^^> nice
[08:45] <lotuspsychje> tweaked it a bit, installed apps
[08:45] <EriC^^> cool
[08:46] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: that has android 6 and has nice clean and nice improvements also
[08:46] <lotuspsychje> settings all nice in categories n such
[08:46] <EriC^^> hmm nice
[08:50] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: you got a smartphone?
[08:50] <EriC^^> yeah
[08:50] <lotuspsychje> wich one?
[08:50] <EriC^^> it's a samsung j1 ace
[08:50] <lotuspsychje> cool
[08:51] <EriC^^> i didnt like it much, i got it as a temporary replacement til the one i want comes out
[08:51] <EriC^^> my older phone's battery was.. inflating :D
[08:52] <lotuspsychje> ah
[08:52] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: wich one are you after?
[08:52] <EriC^^> waiting for the iphone 8, it should come out around sept
[08:53] <lotuspsychje> cool
[08:53] <EriC^^> it'll be 10th anniversary of the iphone, so it should be great
[08:53] <EriC^^> iphone 7 barely had any new features, they practically just removed the headphone jack and offered in black
[08:54] <lotuspsychje> gonna be pricey right 8?
[08:54] <EriC^^> yeah, they say it will have an oled screen, and for 3d touch to work with that it requires more $$
[08:55] <EriC^^> so it's going to be more than the usual price of release
[08:55] <EriC^^> which phone do you have/like?
[08:56] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: im still on BQ 4.5
[08:56] <EriC^^> samsung?
[08:56] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: and im waiting for ubports guys to delevop
[08:56] <lotuspsychje> no BQ aquarius, the ubuntu touch phone
[08:56] <EriC^^> oh nice
[08:56] <EriC^^> how do you like it?
[08:56] <lotuspsychje> i hear they ported 16.04 to nexus5
[08:57] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: well canonical has dropped support, so ill install the ubports image soon
[08:57] <lotuspsychje> i like it very well, use as daily driver
[08:57] <EriC^^> cool
[08:57] <lotuspsychje> but the lack of apps is bit frustrating
[08:58] <EriC^^> brb
[11:05] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:06] <oerheks> heya BluesKaj :-D
[11:06] <BluesKaj> hi oerheks :-)
[11:06] <oerheks> just looking for the best ads-block-tool for chrome
[11:06] <oerheks> adblock is not that good
[11:08] <BluesKaj> oerheks, this one works nicely https://www.standsapp.org/?utm_source=AppWindow
[11:09] <BluesKaj> I also use HTTPSeverywhere
[11:09] <oerheks> lookin'
[11:11] <BluesKaj> HTTPSeverywhere slows my chrome down a bit at first startup, but you may not notice on your, because my pc is rather old and a bit slow
[11:11] <BluesKaj> yours
[11:50] <lordievader> Never noticed any major slow downs with it.
[16:58] <ducasse> oerheks: still looking for adblocker? i use ublock origin, works well for me.
[17:02] <oerheks> tried a few, and i fall back to adblcok
[18:23] <oerheks> lolz, server 5.04 ...
[18:23]  * oerheks votes those old server-owners should be fined, $20.000
[18:27] <nacc> heh


[08:11] <MaNI> does anybody know if there is a trick to have both an AMD integrated APU and a pci-e card active at the same time? Not sure if I'm doing something wrong or if my bios just fails to support this
[08:55] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:56] <inetpro> MaNI: sorry, I have no idea
[11:50] <gremble> Hey th
[11:50] <gremble> theblazehen:
[11:50] <gremble> even
[11:50] <theblazehen> hi gremble, what's up
[11:51] <gremble> Nothing much. Doing Linear Algebra prep for friday
[11:51] <gremble> You?
[11:51] <theblazehen> Not much, just checked some log files
[11:52] <theblazehen> Still getting ~70 visitors a day to my one site, xkcdrandom.theblazehen.com
[11:54] <gremble> Oh nice
[11:54] <gremble> I only get russian bots :P
[11:55] <theblazehen> heh
[11:56] <gremble> Have't had time to make any more content though. Perhaps this coming 2 months I will sort out how to graph functions and do some math
[11:57] <theblazehen> Cool, can I see what you have atm?
[11:57] <gremble> grump.xyz
[11:57] <theblazehen> ty
[11:58] <theblazehen> looks fun
[11:58] <gremble> Lol. I dislike doing websites :P That is hosted on github with jekyll
[11:59] <gremble> And the easiest CSS so that its responsive at least
[11:59] <theblazehen> Cool
[11:59] <theblazehen> yeah. Have you seen startbootstrap.com?
[12:00] <gremble> Oh that is pretty cool
[12:01] <gremble> I'll go have a look
[13:22] <magespawn> good day
[13:27] <sakhi> Hello #ubuntu-za
[13:31] <theblazehen> hi magespawn, sakhi
[13:32] <magespawn> hi sakhi theblazehen
[15:03] <superfly> inetpro: where are you?
[15:04] <superfly> No one to meet me at the airport :(
[17:28] <Kilos> hmm... snow on the mountains in november
[17:28] <Kilos> evening gremble theblazehen inetpro and others
[17:53] <theblazehen> hi Kilos
[18:39] <gremble> Hey Kilos
[20:49] <superfly> Hi.
[20:49] <smallpox> Hey superfly
[20:49] <superfly> Hi smallpox
[20:50] <smallpox> I'm gremble. It is for thanksgiving festivities :P
[20:50] <superfly> Ah!
[20:51] <smallpox> How are you today?
[20:51] <superfly> Tired. Glad to be home.
[20:51] <superfly> And you?
[20:51] <smallpox> Not bad. Nice and cool for a change.
[20:58] <superfly> It was really nice and warm in Maputo this week. But then, I enjoy the warm.
[20:59] <smallpox> I don't. I find it difficult to work in the heat :/ At least I can go to the office on campus for some aircon if it gets bad
[20:59] <smallpox> Did you go to Maputo for work or play?
[21:11] <superfly> Work
[21:12] <smallpox> Aww. That is unfortunate :P
[21:13] <superfly> Hard work. 7:30 to 21:00. Every day.
[21:13] <smallpox> Bleh :<
[21:13] <smallpox> Sounds like when I was doing theatre work
[21:14] <smallpox> Sounds like site installations
[21:16] <superfly> nope.
[21:17] <smallpox> Then it sounds even less fun haha
[21:17] <smallpox> Site installations used to be fun only because you would get to see new place
[21:17] <smallpox> places*
[21:18] <superfly> http://nomanini.com/nomanini-launches-new-elula-platform-driving-efficiency-for-enterprise-prepaid-distributors-2015-11-17/
[21:19] <superfly> That
[21:19] <smallpox> I read about that. Pretty cool ^^
[21:20] <superfly> That's what we're deploying in Mozambique
[21:21] <superfly> Runs embedded Linux
[21:22] <smallpox> That's pretty cool :p
[21:22] <superfly> Did you read my boss's blog post too? And see the video?
[21:22] <smallpox> No, only that link. inetpro linked it yesterday or the day before
[21:22] <superfly> http://googlecloudplatform.blogspot.co.za/2015/11/how-Nomanini-scaled-from-1-release-per-month-to-6-releases-per-day-with-GCP.html
[21:23] <superfly> Video is at the bottom of that one
[21:27] <smallpox> Interesting that you guys push the google cloud platform so much
[21:28] <smallpox> Do they sponsor you or something? :P
[21:31] <superfly> Nope, we use it, they love us.
[21:31] <smallpox> Oh alright. To me it seems like free advertisement for them :P
[21:31] <superfly> That was a video that the Google team came out to SA to film.
[21:32] <smallpox> Ah
[21:32] <smallpox> That makes sense
[21:32] <superfly> No, it's the other way round, free advertising for us!
[21:32] <smallpox> Oh, I hadn't noticed that the blog wasn't yours
[21:32] <smallpox> I retract my statement
[21:32] <smallpox> :P
[21:37] <superfly> Hehehe
[21:42] <smallpox> If I have a db that I want to keep private, is what would be a reasonable method of encrypting the entire db?
[21:43] <superfly> Depends
[21:43] <superfly> What db are you using?
[21:43] <smallpox> I don't know yet.
[21:43] <superfly> Where are you using it?
[21:43] <smallpox> I have an idea for a program, so I am spit balling
[21:43] <superfly> Desktop?
[21:44] <smallpox> It'll be on a server. So you access it with a web api
[21:44] <superfly> Is there a reason you want to encrypt if it is only accessible through an API?
[21:45] <smallpox> If my server gets owned, I would prefer to have the information at least reasonably (read very) hard to get out.
[21:46] <superfly> Ok. Ping me tomorrow evening, when I'm actually at my pc
[21:46] <smallpox> Alright :P
[21:46] <superfly> There are a few options
[21:46] <superfly> Time for me to head to zzzz land
[21:46] <superfly> Good night
[21:46] <smallpox> Sleep well


[22:29] <cjohnston> I can't stand how when a bug gets marked invalid in website and then gets added to something else, we still get all the lp emails about it
[22:32] <jpds> You're still subsrcibed.
[22:34] <cjohnston> i cant unsubscribe
[22:34] <cjohnston> because im get subscribed to all website bugs
[22:34] <cjohnston> so even though its invalid for website i still get it


[00:00] <rhineheart_m> Can anybody here tell me if this bug has been alreadu fixed and added to the repo? Bug #156748
[00:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 156748 in iperf "Thread library bug for kernel >= 2.6.21" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156748
[02:36] <blueyed> rhineheart_m: no, it's not. I've just filed a sync request and will leave a comment in the bug, linking to it.
[02:36] <rhineheart_m> thanks..so what bw monitoring you could advise ?
[02:39] <blueyed> rhineheart_m: dunno. I would use the source package from Debian and build it from source.. but I've not used iperf myself yet..
[07:57] <Iulian> G'morning.
[10:23] <qense> hello
[10:31] <Iulian> Hey qense
[10:45] <Festor> I am in the beta of Hardy now, but...
[10:45] <Festor> Does anyone know why the command update-mozilla-firefox-chrome is not available in beta 4 of firefox 3?
[10:46] <Festor> I am trying to do this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/204719
[10:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204719 in firefox "Firefox 3 language packs missing" [Undecided,In progress]
[10:46] <charmgene> (on ubuntu hardy beta) i see this :"update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-12-generic" when installing basket. i wonder whether this have anying to do with its failure to boot this morning after installing basket last night. i am now on a reinstalled system. the error messages on screen when failed to boot is something like:/init: /bin/sleep:not found......i am afraid to turn of my computer now! anyone can help?
[10:58] <Festor> Is there anyone ...?
[11:33] <qense> Festor: you could ask in #ubuntu-devel
[11:37] <jpatrick> qense: he did.. and -motu
[11:37] <qense> oh
[11:38] <qense> thekorn: what does the new function Manage Teams of the 5-a-day applet do?
[11:39] <thekorn> qense, hi, as you can see here: http://daniel.holba.ch/5-a-day-stats/   dholbach added a team summary to the stats
[11:39] <qense> ah, so you can select for which teams your bugs should count?
[11:39] <thekorn> with this dialog you can choose the team you want to participate for this stats
[11:40] <thekorn> correct
[11:40] <qense> just one or more?
[11:40] <qense> and just LoCo teams or more
[11:40] <thekorn> it is limited to Loco-teams
[11:40] <qense> ok
[11:40] <thekorn> you can choose as much as you like
[11:40] <qense> because all teams I'm a member of show up
[11:41] <thekorn> unfortutatly there is no way in LP to find out in wich loco-teams a user is
[11:41] <qense> ok
[11:41] <thekorn> when the stats are crteated there is a script to filter all non-loco-teams out
[11:41] <qense> ok, thx for the information
[11:43] <thekorn> you are most welcome
[13:56] <qense> What's the purpose of the Ubuntu Desktop Bugs team?
[13:57] <jpatrick> recieve mails from Ubuntu Desktop team packages?
[13:57] <qense> ah, ok, thx
[14:03] <hggdh> qense: deal with bugs associated with the desktop
[14:03] <qense> ok
[14:03] <hggdh> qense: for example, we do not deal with kernel issues, but we deal with Evolution
[15:01] <qense> woot! https://edge.launchpad.net/hal lists me as 4th top contributor :P
[15:01] <qense> I don't do that much for HAL ;)
[15:38] <qense> Whose fault is bug 205161? Ubuntu or GNOME? I know alacarta is maintained by GNOME, but doesn't Ubuntu decides what to put in the System menu?
[15:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205161 in gnome-applets "Control center is shown twice when editing menu" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205161
[15:40] <dsas> qense: The .desktop files decide what menus a program appears in, they come from GNOME I think. Ubuntu sometimes patch them though
[15:41] <qense> ok, I'll forward it upstream
[15:41] <qense> I think it's caused by a script that checks if gnome-control-panel is present in alacarte
[15:41] <qense> thx
[15:43] <dsas> ok, if the bug is in alacarte then the bug should be reassigned to that source package then.
[15:43] <seb128> qense: that's a duplicate
[15:43] <qense> ok
[15:43] <qense> what's the other bug?
[15:43] <seb128> bug #63415
[15:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 63415 in gnome-menus "Double Gnome control center" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63415
[15:44] <qense> thanks
[15:44] <seb128> you are welcome
[18:36] <qense> is bug 205079 medium or high?
[18:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205079 in update-manager "kubuntu Hardy Heron could not install libc6" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205079
[18:36] <qense> should it be*
[18:36] <qense> I think medium, since it's an update
[18:36] <qense> but it does affect a lot of people I suppose
[18:39] <ScottK2> I'd call it a high.
[18:39] <qense> ok
[19:22] <qense> hello
[19:23] <BostonPen1> Hi qense
[19:32] <BostonPen1> I'm doing my first batch of 5-a-day and I'm looking at bug 192885. It's a known issue but has been resolved in later builds of Firefox 3. What status should I set for the bug?
[19:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192885 in firefox-3.0 "firefox keeps crushing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192885
[19:34] <BostonPen1> I'm guessing the proper status is Fix Committed since the fix is in nightly builds and will be in Fx3b5 when it comes out. Am I right?
[19:36] <qense> where is the fix?
[19:37] <qense> YOu could at least add https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=402204 as upstream bug
[19:37] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 402204 in General "Crash on http://www.howtoforge.com/ [Xerror calls exit on 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)']" [Critical,New]
[19:37] <BostonPen1> I'm not sure where it is. I just get nightly updates every morning and couldn't get a crash on the site specified in the bug
[19:38] <qense> I too can't get a crash at amd64
[19:38] <qense> but the bug report at moz is against 1.8
[19:38] <BostonPen1> Actually qense it has already been added on the bug by topdog
[19:38] <qense> if I've read it we;l
[19:39] <qense> but it has been deleted by alexander sack
[19:39] <qense> he marked the complete bug as invalid
[19:39] <BostonPen1> Hmmm. The Bugzilla bug says it has a NEW status wit a severity of Critical
[19:40] <qense> and DUPEMe
[19:40] <qense> maybe someone with a moz bugzilla account should give the url of the LP bug and ask what the status is
[19:41] <BostonPen1> The bug against Mozilla Firefox has been marked Invalid, but the bug against firefox-3.0 (Ubuntu) is new, which is why it came up in my search for bugs to triage
[19:42] <qense> and that is weird
[19:42] <qense> but is the bug in 3.0?
[19:42] <qense> did anyone confirm it for that
[19:42] <qense> or just 2.0
[19:42] <BostonPen1> I have a Bugzilla account. I'll ask over there
[19:42] <qense> ok
[19:43] <BostonPen1> I've got a WFM in 3.0 although it's with a nightly build, not what's in the repo
[19:43] <qense> ok
[19:44] <BostonPen1> Should I confirm the LP bug or what? I'm new to triaging
[19:44] <qense> I think bug 205149 is invalid, since it's probably caused by a new update, just uploaded when he switched DE. Does anyone disagree?
[19:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205149 in update-manager "update manager and aptitude not in sync" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205149
[19:46] <qense> wait
[19:46] <qense> aptitue isn't adept
[19:46] <qense> I've got to go anyway
[20:00] <BostonPen1> I'm looking at bug 204641 and it's definitely not duplicated, but it's something for the WishList. What status should I set it to?
[20:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204641 in tomboy "Give Tomboy mindmapping capabilities" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204641
[20:08] <BostonPen1> Any advice on bug #204641? It's not a duplicate and I think it's a great candidate for the Wishblist. I'm trying to confirm what it's status should be after triaging the bug
[20:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204641 in tomboy "Give Tomboy mindmapping capabilities" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204641
[20:12] <BostonPen1> Nevermind on the bug I'm asking about. It was my 5th bug for the day but I need to close out this task so I left it unconfirmed and moved to another bug I can confirm
[20:13] <greg-g> BostonPen1: you can set it to confirmed/wishlist
[20:14] <greg-g> and ideally forward it upstream (after looking for duplicates in the upstream bug tracker) and link the upstream report with the LP one
[20:14] <BostonPen1> Oh, ok. I didn't see I could set it for the Wishlist once I confirm it.
[20:14] <BostonPen1> Forward it upstream? Not sure what you mean by that
[20:14] <greg-g> oh, you probably can't, I will set it for you
[20:15] <BostonPen1> No problem. I moved to a different bug for my 5th for the day. But now I'm getting connection/permission errors when submitting my 5 bugs to 5-a-day
[20:27] <BostonPen1> I think I found my problem in submitting my 5-a-day. My LP name is DJ_Peng, but add-5-a-day is trying to use LP account dj_peng. Does anyone know what I need to do to fix this?
[20:35] <greg-g> echo DJ_Peng > .5-a-day
[20:35] <greg-g> wait, first, cat .5-a-day and tell me what it seays
[20:35] <greg-g> says
[20:36] <BostonPen1> I had actually changed my LP ID to lowercase "dj_peng", which is still resulting in No such Launchpad account: dj_peng
[20:41] <james_w> BostonPen1:  https://launchpad.net/~dj_peng leads nowhere.
[20:42] <BostonPen1> Ok, I think I know what I nee dto do. Let me try something
[20:42] <james_w> BostonPen1: if you go to launchpad and click on your name in the top right what page do you end up at?
[20:43] <BostonPen1> It gets me to https://launchpad.net/~bostonpeng so I added bostonpeng to .5-a-day and I'm trying to report my bugs now
[20:44] <BostonPen1> Yea! It worked!
[20:45] <BostonPen1> Thanks for the help. Now I'm afraid I need to run because I should have hit the grocery store at least a hour ago but I wanted to finish my first day's bugs
[22:23] <urc_jim> howdy all
[22:26] <urc_jim> ne1 else new here?
[22:28] <Tuv0k> not much small talk here
[22:53] <urc_jim> ok...thx; just joined the launchpad team and was wondering where else to start....I'm here
[22:55] <dsas> urc_jim: find a package you're interested in on launchpad and go through it's bug lists :)
[22:55] <dsas> or look via one of the premade lists..
[22:57] <urc_jim> ok...after I find one?
[22:58] <dsas> well go through it's bugs one by one (probably starting at bugs which say 'new') and triage them
[22:58] <dsas> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage for how to do that
[22:59] <urc_jim> wonderful...thxs dsas
[23:00] <dsas> urc_jim: no problemo. Just ask the room if you have any specific questions.


[00:15] <xnox> vorlon:  I am failing to test my latest edition of resolved integration with ifupdown & isc-dhcp by upgrading xenial to groovy. Because of invalid shell syntax in ifenslave. I don't think diff conflict markers are valid in dash sh.
[00:15] <xnox> https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ifenslave/tree/debian/ifenslave.if-pre-up?h=applied/ubuntu/devel#n129
[00:15] <xnox> vorlon:  do you want to fix it up? or should i? can we just sync ifenslave at this point?
[00:15] <xnox> (forcesync)
[00:15] <xnox> vorlon:  it is orphaned in debian, so we can just upload our delta there.
[00:42] <vorlon> "diff conflict markers" well then
[00:43] <vorlon> xnox: I don't know than any of these changes are correct in Debian where ifupdown still exists
[00:46] <vorlon> xnox: I'd rather we just get back in sync with Debian as-is given that this is a universe package that depends on ifupdown
[05:23] <cpaelzer_> sergiodj: there must have been two libpcap uploads even we couldn't find the first one yesterday
[05:24] <cpaelzer_> bdmurray: was so kind to SRU-accept one and cancel the other
[09:34] <niub> o/ is there a place where I can see all the bug related to a specific kernel version?
[09:34] <niub> I think there is a bug in 4.15.0-109.110 related to btrfs
[11:03] <rbasak> jamespage: o/ I'm looking at openvswitch in the SRU queue. Looks like your Xenial upload got trumped by a security update, sorry.
[11:05] <rbasak> Looking at Bionic now
[11:06] <jamespage> rbasak: no worries - I'll rebase
[11:06] <jamespage> thanks
[11:07] <jamespage> rbasak: bdmurray pinged me about the duplicate uploads as well
[11:07] <jamespage> there more recent one is not based on a git snapshot so the delta is smaller
[11:07] <rbasak> I spotted your comment in the bug and rejected the older one as requested
[11:07] <rbasak> Thanks!
[11:08] <jamespage> brill thankyou
[11:14] <rbasak> jamespage: where did you get the new orig tarball from? It seems to mismatch https://www.openvswitch.org/releases/openvswitch-2.9.6.tar.gz - different compression, but also the raw tar
[11:24] <jamespage> rbasak: d/copyright triggers a repack
[11:24] <jamespage> gz->xz and exclusion of some files
[11:29] <rbasak> Ah - thanks!
[11:30] <rbasak> I can figure it out from there then. Seems odd and maybe wrong though - no dfsg label, and only debian/ excluded? Isn't that automatic with 3.0 (quilt) anyway?
[11:30] <rbasak> To be clear, I'm not bothered about that for the SRU - just thought I'd mention it
[11:33] <xnox> vorlon:  looking at the code, what we have in 2.9ubuntu1 de-races bringing multiple bonds up. I do not see anything remotely close to fixing that in debian. I've uploaded a revert back to 2.9ubuntu1 as 2.10ubuntu2
[11:33] <xnox> vorlon:  cause i'd rather keep bonds working the same way they did in focal and down.
[11:34] <xnox> vorlon:  hm, but i should drop the ifenslave binary i guess.
[11:51] <rbasak> doko: on bug 1888386, shouldn't these go via the security pocket?
[12:14] <doko> rbasak: when I talked with vorlon and sil2100, they preferred the updates pocket. but I don't mind
[13:55] <sergiodj> cpaelzer_: that's great, thanks bdmurray :)
[14:12] <xnox> mwhudson:  it would be nice if you use -x option to git cherry-pick when cherrypicking things. I.e. it's hard to see in livecd-rootfs bionic, which commits have been cherrypicked and which ones are still missing.
[16:09] <GunnarHj> Hey sil2100! The bionic langpack testing deadline is reached:
[16:09] <GunnarHj> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/LanguagePackUpdatesQA
[16:25] <sil2100> GunnarHj: oh well, it's better than what I expected anyway
[16:25] <sil2100> Thanks!
[16:25] <sil2100> I'll publish those a bit later
[16:26] <GunnarHj> sil2100: Yeah, at least some of the most important languages were tested.
[19:11] <ahasenack> sil2100: hi, if you are around, looks like bileto doesn't like it when a binary package is no longer built: https://bileto.ubuntu.com/excuses/4170/groovy.html
[19:11] <ahasenack> in this case, it's a transitional package I can finally drop
[19:12] <ahasenack> "missing build on all: libpmemobj-doc (from 1.8-1ubuntu1) "
[19:12] <ahasenack> can that check be ignored?
[19:39] <mwhudson> xnox: til
[20:31] <Laney> ahasenack: I think https://git.launchpad.net/bileto/tree/britney/britney.conf.in needs to get https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release/britney/+git/britney2-ubuntu/tree/britney.conf#n32 options ALL_BUILDARCH and HAS_ARCH_ALL_BUILDDS
[20:31] <Laney> if you wanted to submit a merge proposal that would probably be welcomed :>
[20:32] <ahasenack> I have no idea how britney works
[20:32] <ahasenack> but let's see
[20:33] <Laney> without those options britney thinks there's an arch called 'all' which can fail on its own
[20:34] <Laney> so I think it's going "omg where are the binaries for 'all' which I knew about before, I don't have any"
[20:39] <ahasenack> Laney: this? https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/DPB45jnRf6/
[20:40] <Laney> ahasenack: looks right to me
[20:42] <ahasenack> hmpf, I miss a "fork" buttin in lp
[20:42] <ahasenack> butotn*
[20:43] <ahasenack> now to figure out the push url
[20:44] <ahasenack> ok, got it
[20:46] <ahasenack> done
[20:47] <Laney> I'd merge if I could!
[20:50] <ahasenack> :)
[20:50] <ahasenack> thanks! :)
[20:50] <ahasenack> I also don't know if there is a separate deployment step
[20:51] <Laney> me neither
[21:40] <cjwatson> fork button> it's coming!
[22:20] <mwhudson> is the huge build queue fallout from the outage or did the archive rebuild get started?
[22:20] <mwhudson> actually to be that huge it must be the rebuild
[22:25] <cjwatson> mwhudson: Test rebuild, yes
[22:25] <mwhudson> cjwatson: ta
[22:25] <cjwatson> The outage should be cleared, and so far fixed in a couple of different ways ...
[22:28] <cjwatson> (Cowboyed code fix for my stupid max/min mistake; code fix under review to move the slow bit of database interaction to a better place; configuration change to have fewer concurrent download connections; code fix under review to make the librarian client use epoll rather than select so that it doesn't matter if the download process pool has lots of FDs open; and some OpenStack thwacking for ...
[22:28] <cjwatson> ... ppc64el builder resets)
[22:28] <cjwatson> Test rebuilds are good at shaking out this sort of problem
[22:30] <cjwatson> Some of this has probably been latent for a while and causing low-level problems, just not quite enough to track down and fix
[22:49] <mwhudson> cjwatson: nothing like fixing bugs several times over


[05:51] <michaelh_> hi, anyone can hemp me find out why I Cannot install libsdl2-dev https://gist.github.com/MichaelHabib/4f13c994232799d09e477b41660d35a8
[05:52] <michaelh_> when trying to install I get  E: Unable to locate package libsdl2-dev   this is on kubuntu 17.04
[06:04] <valorie> michaelh_: you are on a no-longer-supported version
[06:04] <valorie> !eol
[06:04] <valorie> see the second link there
[06:25] <michaelh_> @valorie so with eol  I can't even download existing software !
[06:26] <valorie> probably not
[06:26] <valorie> I mean, that's a major part of support
[06:26] <valorie> eol means no support
[06:26] <valorie> that's why *buntu has an LTS every other year
[06:27] <valorie> for those who don't want to upgrade all the time
[06:28] <valorie> any reason you don't want Artful/17.10?
[06:28] <valorie> i've been running it for nearly a year, and it's great
[06:33] <valorie> michaelh_: ^^
[06:35] <michaelh_> @valorie I just started the upgrade, but I always thought I would still be able to access/download software that was available.
[06:35] <valorie> the point of eol is that it is no longer available
[06:35] <valorie> they waited a few extra days as it was
[06:36] <valorie> there is more work to putting out an LTS, which the next one is
[06:36] <valorie> the resources and time go there, not to an eol version
[07:13] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:20] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:49] <dimi344> Hi, updated to nvidia 387. On boot "press ctrl-C to cancel" flashes and then it only displays the splash screen. Did the following:
[11:50] <dimi344> Tried nomodeset, same. Safe mode and fschk, system hangs. Boot from a live usb mounted some partitions seemed fine
[11:54] <BluesKaj> dimi344, which update method, system setings>driver manager?
[11:55] <dimi344> No, I first removed the older driver and then install cuda which included 387
[11:55] <dimi344> *installed
[11:57] <dimi344> I'm thinking of commenting out of fstab every other disk other than swap / and home. Currently checking these partitions just in case. Is there any way to disable the disk check on startup?
[12:10] <dimi344> Removed 387 and can boot. Any help regarding cuda and nvidia-387?
[12:17] <BluesKaj> dimi344, cuda can be enabled in systemsettings>dribver manager nvidia-3XX
[12:38] <userRGasuseeepc> How to install KUBUNTU 16.0.4 Desktop using a Windows type installer of on Windows 7 without partition the disk, for example WUBI ?, but can not find Wubi now
[12:39] <Borw3> wubi got deprecated :(
[12:40] <Borw3> but use virtual box
[12:41] <lordievader> Thank god Wubi is deprecated.
[12:42] <lordievader> userRGasuseeepc: Apart from running Ubuntu as a VM there are no options of running it inside Windows.
[13:21] <userRGasuseeepc> ok thanks , I will try virtual box
[13:45] <titou> i'm using a 2-in-2 laptop and i installed gnome on it. it well recognized its touchscreen and adapted the desktop unfortunately i have big troubles with caribou virtual keyboard...
[13:45] <titou> the virtual keyboard always appears on the screen when I touch it (this could be interesting when the laptop is in tablet mode (ie. without physical keyboard)). Moreover I cannot configure caribou (its layout), meta keys don't work etc. so is it possible to use another virtual keyboard? I didn't succeed to replace it with another one (for instance onboard)
[13:46] <titou> and is there a solution to temporaly disable virtual kyeboard when a physical keyboard is plugged or maybe throuh a button in the task bar?
[13:48] <BluesKaj> titou, ask in #ubuntu about gnome, this is kubuntu/kde/plasma support
[13:48] <titou> sorry.. I missed the "k"
[14:40] <TBotNik> All: Cannot get the "recently used" and "recently installed" to show on my laptop machine. I used a HOWTO that let me edit the options in a config file, but can no longer find that HOWTO. I'm running Kubuntu 14.04 LTS
[19:12] <new> how does this os work on older hardware
[19:12] <new> ?
[19:15] <user|72633> would this work on a dell precision m4800?
[19:18] <user|72633> would this work on a dell precision m4800?
[19:18] <user|72633> new to linux
[19:46] <els> Hey everyone! I am new with using Kubuntu and have just noticed a problem with my headphone jack. Namely that vocals are strongly reduced while background sound plays normally. Built-in stereo is fine. I work on a macbook air from 2011. Anyone any suggestions?
[19:54] <BluesKaj> els, crank up the volume in alsamixer in the terminal
[19:56] <els> blueskaj, it did not help sadly :(
[19:57] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj: hola! good day, long time no see!
[19:58] <BluesKaj> ok, now  try the volume ctrl on your KB , els
[19:58] <BluesKaj> Hey EvilRoey
[19:59] <BluesKaj> els, or install pavucontrol
[20:01] <els> BLuesKaj volume ctrl did not work, will now try installing pavucontrol
[20:03] <els> BluesKaj, pavucontrol seems to already be installed. Vocals are a little bit louder but still very faint
[20:03] <BluesKaj> els, there are are more than one vol ctrl in alsamixer , for example line and master and pcm
[20:04] <els> BluesKaj, I have tried all of them, nothing helped
[20:07] <BluesKaj> the n  pavucontrol is tyour last resort unless the player you are using has it's volume turned down
[20:12] <els> BluesKaj, pavucontrol was the key. It works now, thank you!
[20:14] <BluesKaj> np
[20:18] <Guest23058> hi
[20:19] <Guest23058> I've just upgraded Ubuntu to 17.10 and I'm having this issue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ki3RJLQyE4&feature=youtu.be
[20:20] <Guest23058> I already had this problem with 17.04; after an update it disappeared and now it's back
[20:23] <BluesKaj> Guest23058, just describe your issue as simpy as possible...posting youtube videos takes too long
[20:23] <Ab3L> hello. how do i set default values for guest users in kubuntu 16.04 ? for example, i need to set swiss keyboard layout, wifi setting (included password) and printer. but each time i reboot every setting is erased.
[20:27] <Guest23058> BluesKaj: nevermind, I've just found a workaround: https://blender.stackexchange.com/questions/69827/bug-with-blender-the-ui-to-be-more-specific-weird-stuttering-and-glitches
[20:27] <Guest23058> however, what do you mean by "posting youtube videos takes too long"?
[20:29] <BluesKaj> to view
[20:30] <BluesKaj> Guest23058, some of us are helping in several chat simultaneously
[20:30] <LAGonauta> I am on Kubuntu 17.10 with the backports ppa enabled... I had to install VirtualBox and now my login is very slow after SDDM when using Plasma (50 seconds stuck on the SDDM screen with my * password), but is very fast with Plasma (Wayland), as it should be. I am not sure if my VirtualBox install is the reason, but seems to have started just after installing it.
[20:30] <LAGonauta> Anyone else saw that problem before?
[20:36] <BluesKaj> LAGonauta, waylnd was slow and ponderouswith nvidia nouveau here, and no vm installed so it's hard to know
[20:42] <memphisto> LAGonauta: create another account a log into KDE; check the difference
[20:54] <LAGonauta> memphisto: already did that, same problem :/
[20:55] <LAGonauta> BluesKaj: I am actually using my Intel iGPU as for some reason nvidia's proprietary does not load with my kernel, and nouveau vsync is not as good as Intel's.
[20:58] <memphisto> LAGonauta: since it's not your user settings it has to be something with KDE X11; but what...
[21:00] <LAGonauta> Just found out the problem... In a way it was a problem with VirtualBox, and my ignorance. I had mistakenly installed VirtualBox's guest dkms packages. I just had to uninstall them and now everything is working fine again. Thanks for the help :)
[21:02] <LAGonauta> Now I need to find out why I cannot see the user that I just created on the user manager panel, but is shown on SDDM... :P
[21:02] <memphisto> linux
[23:16] <mparillo> Could it be this? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=336994
[23:22] <valorie> mparillo: that is an interesting read
[23:47] <mparillo> valorie: I suspect that the most recent post (migrated user below 1000) is an edge case. Too many people have experienced this and many times more (including me) have created bugs around user administration and SDDM avatars that have been marked as duplicates of this.
[23:52] <valorie> oh, I think so too
[23:52] <valorie> the devels seem a bit baffled


[11:35] <okechi> hi guys
[11:36] <NewToLin> what are staples to do after just installing ubuntu studio?
[15:26] <pars> hello my audio not working
[19:03] <OvenWerks> holstein: I have some questions about the FW audio IF you use. Model, i/os, lowest latency, etc.
[19:03] <holstein> OvenWerks: sure
[19:03] <holstein> OvenWerks: TBH, it seems latency has gone up. but, it has seemed to be a tradeoff
[19:04] <holstein> like, *no* issues with the open nvidia driver at all, anymore.. works like a charm, out of the box
[19:04] <holstein> i really dont "need" the nvidia hardware, but i want to faciliate dual head
[19:06] <holstein> OvenWerks: i have the presonus firepod.. thats the only FW audio device i have right now.. though, i had for a moment the inspire
[19:06] <holstein> the inspire seemed to start with jack the same, but, it needed a mixer that was software based
[19:14] <OvenWerks> holstein: which fw card do you use?
[19:15] <holstein> OvenWerks: i actually have a few TI chipsets im hanging on to
[19:15] <holstein> they work great.. i have one that works well that is *not* TI. but, i just got lucky pulling it from some other hardware
[19:15] <OvenWerks> I had heard TI was the one to get.
[19:15] <holstein> OvenWerks: well, i have tried *many* cards, and i have never had issues with a TI under linux
[19:16] <holstein> OvenWerks: but, i have had "good" (just as good) support with a few others
[19:16] <holstein> its usually not that much more to get one that specifies its TI online
[19:17] <holstein> OvenWerks: i got one (an express card) locally, that i was promised i could return if it didnt work, or have a TI chipset
[19:17] <OvenWerks> I try to do those kinds of things... take my machine to the store and try it there...
[19:17] <holstein> yup.. thats ideal
[19:18] <holstein> i didnt have it with me at the time.. or they probably would have let me try it in the store
[19:18] <holstein> anyways, it worked fine, and i think it was like $60 us?
[19:18] <OvenWerks> Music stores are generally ok with that, but computer stores not so much.
[19:18] <holstein> i could probably have messed about and got something that worked for under $40.. but, i think that guarantee that i can return was worth something
[19:19] <OvenWerks> Yup.
[19:19] <holstein> OvenWerks: this was a smaller shop.. though, i do the same at bestbuy.. i'll ask.. sometimes they are odd about it..
[19:19] <OvenWerks> Did I tell you I got a new bass?
[19:20] <holstein> OvenWerks: nope! thats cool!.. what did you get?
[19:20] <OvenWerks> Ibanez Portamento SRF705
[19:20] <holstein> nice.. i have and have had ibanez.. they are always a good value
[19:20] <OvenWerks> 5 strings and frettless
[19:20] <holstein> tobacco looking sunburst?
[19:21] <OvenWerks> something like that
[19:21]  * holstein watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Bm9F3GFnik
[19:21] <holstein> i like the matte looking finish
[19:22] <OvenWerks> I do to. I like the pickup under the bridge too.
[19:22] <holstein> right?
[19:22] <holstein> thats cool
[19:22] <holstein> you use that much?
[19:22] <OvenWerks> But the 5 strings shows the lack of bottom in my amp :)
[19:22] <holstein> well, its always something.. for sure.
[19:22] <OvenWerks> I use it a lot, I normally mixing a bit of neck fo bottom though
[19:23] <holstein> nice! that thing sounds cool in that video.. congrats
[19:23] <OvenWerks> It makes up for using flat wound strings
[19:24] <OvenWerks> It is much more playable than the squire with the frets ripped out.
[19:24] <holstein> ah.. that makes sense
[19:24] <OvenWerks> The finger board is a lot harder I think.
[19:24] <OvenWerks> The notes sustain really well
[22:03] <ddole> boo


[00:00] <ali1234> i did all my computer graphics labs on my housemate's sgi indy
[00:00] <ali1234> in 1999 or whatever
[00:02] <penguin42> 99 would be too early for an Indy
[00:02] <penguin42> oh, sorry
[00:02] <penguin42> no
[00:02] <penguin42> I was a decade out :-)
[00:02] <penguin42> we got the Indy when it was new in 93
[00:02] <ali1234> yeah, it was really out of date by then
[00:03]  * penguin42 has one behind him
[00:03] <ali1234> but still roughly equal to what PCs could do, with opengl
[06:55] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:15] <Myrtti> oh man, dsample and I shouldn't have spent so much time considering should we participate in the doorbell crowdfunding or not
[07:15] <Myrtti> the end result was I woke up the first time at five thinking I had heard a doorbell
[07:16] <Myrtti> incidentally the fundraising is up for another hour if someone is interested http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/mybells-the-smart-bells/x/5424084
[07:17] <MooDoo> don't think it's going to meet it's goal if there is an hour left.
[07:17] <Myrtti> flexible funding
[07:17] <Myrtti> they promise to send you one even if they fail
[07:17] <Myrtti> *shrug*
[07:17] <MooDoo> ah sorry missed that bit :)
[07:18] <Myrtti> might end up not getting it but it seems like a sweet deal and certainly competetive pricing if it does
[07:19] <Myrtti> (that is, if it's not a hoax)
[08:45] <diplo> Morning all
[08:46] <MooDoo> morning diplio
[08:46] <MooDoo> morning diplo even
[08:48] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:49] <dwatkins> allo allo
[09:14] <directhex> wife's hudl is dead.
[09:15] <DJones> That doesn't sound like a good recommendation given how new they are
[09:16] <Myrtti> I'm sorry for being inflammatory, but sparked by discussion on another channel, I MADE DIS http://imgur.com/g/memes/KGQqPAh
[09:19] <SuperMatt> morning all
[09:20] <DJones> Myrtti: Its not cold, cool yes, but not cold, although the frozen water on my car may have disagreed with that
[09:20] <Myrtti> I'm way too pedantic for my own health
[09:20] <DJones> :)
[09:20] <Myrtti> every time someone complains it's freezing cold and there's still liquid water on the ground, I just go "But but but"
[09:20] <Myrtti> "three stages of matter!"
[09:21] <Myrtti> "you are wrong"
[09:34] <directhex> looks like wife did the same with the hudl receipt as with all other tesco receipts, i.e. bin
[09:37] <Myrtti> did you use vouchers / clubcard?
[09:37] <Myrtti> they might be able to verify your purchase with that information
[09:37] <mungbean> is it broken?
[09:38] <mungbean> scrolls up...yes
[09:38] <Myrtti> and even if they won't, it shouldn't be a problem as it's clearly bought from Tesco and didn't work as expected, so it's faulty.
[09:38] <mungbean> i've used credit card bills sucessfully as proof of purchase before
[09:39] <mungbean> so.. this discourse.ubuntu.com : where does it fit itn with ubuntu forums, ideastorm and askubuntu?
[09:39] <mungbean> and how will the lines be segregated
[09:39] <popey> ideastorm doesn't exist
[09:39] <popey> askubuntu = support
[09:39] <popey> discourse = discussion
[09:40] <directhex> Myrtti, they can. 2 days to generate new proof of purchase from clubcard records, though
[09:40] <mungbean> forums are unrelated?
[09:40] <SuperMatt> forums = ?
[09:40] <mungbean> or is it a forum for people who don't like forums?
[09:40] <SuperMatt> I do think discourse is a much better tech
[09:40] <popey> forums still exist
[09:40] <popey> for people who like forums
[09:40] <Myrtti> wasn't vbulletin just cracked themselves
[09:40] <Myrtti> or do I remember rumours wrong
[09:41] <popey> the ubuntuforums were broken into recently, yeah
[09:41] <popey> unrelated to discourse tho
[09:41] <popey> morning btw
[09:41] <SuperMatt> morning popey
[09:42] <mungbean> i've seen support-ish stuff on discourse already
[09:42] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:42] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[09:42] <Myrtti> popey: no I mean http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/18/vbulletin_hacked/
[09:42] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:43] <Myrtti> dunno how valid that is, the forums seem a bit mum about it http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/forum/vbulletin-announcements/vbulletin-announcements_aa/4007719-regarding-claims-of-new-0-day-exploits-in-vbulletin
[09:44] <popey> oh, dunno about that
[09:44] <popey> there's also the G+ community and other places too
[09:44] <popey> the G+ community has 120K people or so
[09:44] <mungbean> oopening discourse just crashed X
[09:44] <mungbean> first time openiing a webpage ever did that
[09:45] <jpds> mungbean: You better disclose that 0-second vulnerability.
[09:47] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Have a Bad Day Day! :-/
[09:48] <SuperMatt> ...
[09:48] <MooDoo> JamesTait: isn't it toilet day to day as well?
[09:48] <Laney> I thought it was International Men's Day or something also
[09:48] <JamesTait> MooDoo, oh, I don't know, is it?
[09:49] <SuperMatt> Bad Day Day and Men's Day are more or less the same, aren't they?
[09:49] <MooDoo> JamesTait: http://www.wateraid.org/uk/get%20involved/world%20toilet%20day
[09:49] <MooDoo> world toilet day
[09:49] <JamesTait> Laney, *every* day is Mens Day. ;)
[09:49] <mungbean> there's a thing that says don't just update your test env to prod.
[09:50] <mungbean> because your discourse site will be full of links like test.ubuntu-discourse.org
[09:50] <DJones> MooDoo: World toilet day http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPYO2nw4inM
[09:50] <mungbean> test is test and prod comes from a different root
[09:50] <DJones> Ah, its linked on the website you posted
[09:52] <JamesTait> DJones, thank you for that. :)
[09:53] <JamesTait> And MooDoo too.
[09:53] <DJones> You're welcome
[09:54] <mungbean> "my facebook avatar couldn't be displayed, but it got fixed when i upgraded my kernel" :-|
[09:54] <mungbean> https://plus.google.com/+VantisChen/posts/KD183iRS8HQ
[09:56] <popey> anyone know a good online clock to have running in a browser?
[09:56] <popey> http://onlineclock.net/ is okayish
[09:56] <popey> but meh
[09:56] <MartijnVdS> popey: what do you want from it?
[09:56] <brobostigon> maybe a chromium binary clock plugin,? :)
[09:57] <popey> display time
[09:57] <popey> no frippery, just clearly display the time
[09:57] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/browser-clock/lgmfkoamldgcapaoidgjaadfcpnnmpld?hl=en ?
[09:57] <popey> and must be html/js, no flash, no extensions
[09:57] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:57] <bigcalm> What do people around here use for socket monitoring?
[09:57] <MartijnVdS> popey: that could be an *offline* HTML file with a tiny bit of JS and CSS
[09:58] <mungbean> http://www.w3schools.com/js/tryit.asp?filename=tryjs_timing_clock
[09:58] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: netstat?
[09:58] <popey> doesnt have to be, but i'd like to just go to a url
[09:58] <mungbean> make your own clock.popey.com with a little script
[09:58] <popey> hah
[09:58] <MartijnVdS> mungbean++
[09:58] <popey> not a bad idea
[09:59] <MartijnVdS> worldclock.popey.com, with a dropdown timezone list (ask AlanBell about time zones in JS)
[09:59] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: wow, nice.
[09:59] <popey> nah, i only want my own time for now
[09:59] <MartijnVdS> popey: and galactic standard time
[09:59] <MartijnVdS> VERY important to have that
[09:59] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: need a little bit more than just a display of what the current state is. I need to act upon a socket no longer connected or having gone away entirely
[09:59] <mungbean> i think that w3schools page is the winner then
[10:00] <brobostigon> and stardates, :)
[10:00] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: isn't that the connecting app's responsibility?
[10:00] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: not in this case. I have a service that ends up with stale connections but doesn't know it
[10:01] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: the service needs re-writing, but for now I just want to monitor the current one
[10:01] <popey> http://clock.popey.com/
[10:01] <popey> boom
[10:01] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: should be possible to monitor that with netstat, it can tell you if a connection is "half-closed" from the other side
[10:01] <popey> needs styling of course
[10:01] <MartijnVdS> popey: that's quick! ;)
[10:02] <bigcalm> proliant ~ $ netstat -l | grep 11960
[10:02] <bigcalm> tcp        0      0 localhost:11960         *:*                     LISTEN
[10:03] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: how do I read that?
[10:03] <SuperMatt> popey: gawds, I need to make myself something like that, but specifically that reminds me what the current time is, what the time is in bst, gmt and utc
[10:03] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: it means there's a socket in state "LISTEN" on port 11960 on <IP_ADDRESS> (TCP)
[10:03] <SuperMatt> because I can never remember
[10:03] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: but nothing has connected to it?
[10:04] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: might have, might not have
[10:04] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: connected sockets are further down
[10:05] <bigcalm> Humm
[10:05] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: try: netstat -natup (n = no DNS lookups, a = listening and non-listening sockets, t = tcp, u = udp, p = show program name + PID of process handling stuff)
[10:05] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: | less
[10:06] <bigcalm> I just connected a client on my dev system and grepped for 11960 again. It only showed the line I pasted above :S
[10:06] <bigcalm> Okay
[10:06] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: you need the -a then
[10:06] <bigcalm> Aha
[10:06] <bigcalm> Yes :)
[10:07] <bigcalm> -la shows listening and established, ta :)
[10:07] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: "ss" (socket stat) will also be useful
[10:07] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: it's the New and Shiny replacement for netstat, apparently, like "ip" has features that encompass "ifconfig", "route" and a few other tools
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: http://www.cyberciti.biz/files/ss.html
[10:09] <popey> trying to get my desk setup ready for hangouts today for vUDS
[10:09] <popey> so i have a clock on screen
[10:09] <mungbean> anyone got a minix neo x5 mini ARM device?
[10:09] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: ta
[10:09] <mungbean> popey: why not xclock?
[10:10] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: mir :P
[10:10] <mungbean> meh
[10:10] <popey> decided to go with ipad because it's a bigger screen so more visible
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> popey: isn't there a £5 clock app? :P
[10:12] <popey> there is
[10:12] <popey> I am using the free one
[10:16] <bigcalm> Maybe add GMT after the clock?
[10:17] <bigcalm> popey: use your joggler :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKgglMgroVI
[10:17] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: Galactic Mean Time?
[10:17] <popey> hah
[10:17]  * popey has no jogglers
[10:17] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: that's about right :D
[10:18] <bigcalm> I'm quite pleased with that video and the app I wrote
[10:18] <popey> started that video then alt-tabbed away
[10:18] <popey> was "alarmed" when it shouted "WAKE UP!" at me
[10:18] <bigcalm> Hahaha
[10:19] <popey> thought I'd left a hangout running
[10:19] <bigcalm> http://idophp.co.uk/projects/touch_alarm/
[10:19] <MartijnVdS> Chrome tabs now have sound indicators on them
[10:20] <bigcalm> Shame the CSS is a little off in Chromium and FireFox on my workstation for the alarm clock
[10:20] <popey> http://imgur.com/YaMl9dT
[10:20] <popey> that'll do
[10:20] <bigcalm> popey: I'd be interested to know how well it works on iPad
[10:20] <bigcalm> Aha
[10:21] <bigcalm> You've tided!
[10:22] <MartijnVdS> popey: something floating over your head
[10:22] <MartijnVdS> +there's
[10:27] <popey> heh
[10:27] <popey> the cone of clean
[10:38] <SuperMatt> doh, I've started typing "sudu juju" instead of "sudo juju"
[10:38] <brobostigon> lol
[10:38] <SuperMatt> stupid fingers
[10:38] <SuperMatt> always pretending they know best
[10:38] <MooDoo> my mailbox is full, what do I do?   sign
[10:38] <MooDoo> sigh
[10:39] <SuperMatt> delete emails?
[10:39] <SuperMatt> run your own mail server
[10:39] <MartijnVdS> use gmail?
[10:39] <SuperMatt> or is this a work thing?
[10:39] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: MartijnVdS customer queries :S
[10:40] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: Thunderbird has this "Archive" feature, which can archive mail locally instead of on the server
[10:40] <SuperMatt> export them somewhere that is backed up
[10:40] <MartijnVdS> make sure you make backups though ;)
[10:40] <MartijnVdS> ^5 SuperMatt
[10:40] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: MartijnVdS just keep getting these questions from customers
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: isn't your mailbox several GB in size then?
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: how big are these customer questions?
[10:41] <funkyHat> SuperMatt: alias sudu=sudo ⢁)
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> funkyHat: alias f-ing=sudo
[10:42] <funkyHat> MartijnVdS: haha
[10:42] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: I just need to write a script, if customer raises silly question then support reach down phone and slap = 1;
[10:42] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: so THAT is what slapd is for!
[10:42] <funkyHat> There is no such thing as a silly question ⢁P
[10:43] <funkyHat> MartijnVdS: no, slapd can only store a record of who needs to be slapped ⢁(
[10:43] <MartijnVdS> funkyHat: it's not the daemon that does the slapping?
[10:43] <MartijnVdS> :(
[10:43] <MartijnVdS> funkyHat: your eyes seem out of whack
[10:43] <funkyHat> c⢁
[10:43] <MartijnVdS> out of alignment, even
[10:43] <funkyHat> ■▎⢁D
[10:43] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: google whack?
[10:44] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: wiggity wiggity whack
[10:44] <MartijnVdS> (jump! jump!)
[10:45] <MooDoo> giggerty giggerty
[11:41] <NET||abuse> hi guys, hav ea friend whos got an old box, Pentium4 2.6Ghz, 1GB Ram and Geforce FX5200, can he run 13.10 on that?
[11:41] <NET||abuse> would unity work?
[11:42] <NET||abuse> it's mostly for him to learn a bi of linux, he's a graphic designer whos spend the last 4 years doing some PHP on a light level.
[11:42] <NET||abuse> so he's all Windows at the moment,
[11:43] <penguin42> hmm, will that hardware do PAE?
[11:43] <MartijnVdS> maybe
[11:43] <NET||abuse> only knows linux through a little hosting packages, but mostly just used filezilla sftp
[11:43] <NET||abuse> :)
[11:43] <penguin42> NET||abuse: I think it'll work, Unity hmm might
[11:43] <NET||abuse> but he wants to have a local server to host development copies of his work.
[11:44] <NET||abuse> well, well see
[11:44] <MooDoo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[11:44] <DJones> NET||abuse: I think the answer to that may be no, I've got a similar machine with 2Gb ram, but same graphics card which is running 12.04, when I've looked at upgrading it warns me about graphics not being supported, possibly thats because I'm using NVida, but certainly 12.04 works with Unity
[11:44] <MartijnVdS> DJones: it's probably not supported by nvidia's non-free driver, but the nouveau driver is fine these days
[11:44] <SuperMatt> last night, as I was walking home, I saw an old VHS casette in the road with metres, upon metres of tape blowing in the wind
[11:44] <SuperMatt> it occured to me in that moment that it was a sight I haven't seen for a decade and a half
[11:44] <MartijnVdS> that used to be quite common
[11:45] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: someone asked me the other week if I could get data off a floppy disk....:S
[11:45] <DJones> MartijnVdS: At some point when I'm bored I may try a live cd with 13.10 to see how well it copes
[11:47] <DJones> MooDoo: Thats wierd, I dug a laptop case out of the loft for a relative, while I was cleaning it, I found a handful of floppy disks in it with handwritten dates on them going back 10-15 years
[11:47] <SuperMatt> MooDoo: up until last year I was using floppies quite regularly for bios updates
[11:48] <MooDoo> DJones: awesome. i was going to see if I could find an old disk drive until I realised they were amiga floppies :D
[11:48] <DJones> Hah
[11:48] <TwistedLucidity> MooDoo: up until recently I had a USB floppy drive. Didn't work with GNU/Linux. :-(
[11:48] <MooDoo> booo
[11:48] <MooDoo> wow amigaos is still going
[11:50] <ali1234> i can do amiga disks
[11:50] <ali1234> there's probably less than 50% chance they still work though
[11:50] <Azelphur> ali1234: I own original Amiga Disks
[11:50] <Azelphur> XD
[11:51] <MooDoo> wow just looking at amigakit.co.uk, still seems to be going strong
[11:51] <ali1234> i've got about 6 original copies of workbench
[11:51] <Azelphur> probably long since demagnetised though
[11:51] <neuro> ali1234: you can "do" amiga disks? do you have a 3.5" drive slot somewhere on your person? :)
[11:52] <ali1234> amigakit is super expensive
[11:55] <DJones> Somewhere at my parents, I've got some 5 1/4" floppy disks with backups of some Chemical plant processing software I wrote about 25 years ago to run on ICL DRS-50's
[11:56] <NET||abuse> DJones: thanks for that, were gonna try 13.10 and see if it works, even with nouvou
[11:56] <DJones> NET||abuse: Let me know how you get on, something I'm interested in
[11:56] <NET||abuse> cool, will do
[11:59] <bashrc> I don't remember the last time I used a floppy disk, but it must have been at least 5 years ago
[11:59] <bashrc> probably more
[12:00] <penguin42> hmm yes, even for me I think it's been a long time
[12:00] <MartijnVdS> bashrc: was it really floppy? or was it actually rigid? ;)
[12:00] <bashrc> 3.5"
[12:00] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: By real I assume you mean 8"
[12:00] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: I have one of those, a few boxes of 5.25" and some more boxes of 3.5" at home
[12:00] <MartijnVdS> nothing to read any of it with though
[12:01] <bashrc> The 5.25" disks were quite floppy
[12:01] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: I gave the machine with 8" to a museum a few years ago
[12:01] <bashrc> 8" was before my time
[12:01]  * gordonjcp uses 3.5" floppies quite a lot, in musical equipment
[12:01] <penguin42> bashrc: Mine mostly as well, but I got hold of a 1982 Unix machine that had an 8" floppy
[12:01] <gordonjcp> I had a PDP11 that I donated to a museum with 8" floppies, 5.25" hard disks and 14" removable disk packs
[12:02] <bashrc> there is famously an 8" floppy drive in the movie "war games"
[12:02] <penguin42> gordonjcp: Heck that can't have been small
[12:02] <gordonjcp> penguin42: not massive
[12:03] <gordonjcp> penguin42: small fridge-freezer size
[12:03] <bashrc> how much capacity did the 8" disks have.  The 5.25" ones were something like 360K
[12:03] <gordonjcp> 19" rack about 30U high
[12:03] <gordonjcp> depends on the format
[12:03] <gordonjcp> the RX02s I had were 500K
[12:03] <penguin42> bashrc: I think they were of the same type of size - few hundred K
[12:04] <MartijnVdS> bashrc: 5.25" went up to 1.2MB (double side, high-density)
[12:04] <gordonjcp> the RL02 disk packs were 10MB each
[12:04] <bashrc> yes, although I remember the original single sided ones which I used on a BBC micro were about 360K
[12:04] <gordonjcp> you basically could treat them like giant Zip disks
[12:05] <MartijnVdS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floppy_disk#Sizes.2C_performance_and_capacity
[12:06] <penguin42> bashrc: I think Beeb single density 40track was 100K, so 200k for 80 track, and I think 400k for double
[12:06] <bashrc> I was probably thinking of the 400K
[12:08] <bashrc> barely anything by today's standards, but large by the standards of the time
[12:08] <penguin42> nod
[12:25] <DJones> bashrc: The DRS50 is was using was just a dumb terminal to an ICL Mainframe/Mini, I remember that having having 8" floppy drives and hard disks like these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DysanRemovableDiskPack.agr.jpg
[12:26] <penguin42> DJones: Not this one then; https://plus.google.com/photos/+DavidAlanGilbert/albums/5492401778142755041/5492407402178145906?pid=5492407402178145906&oid=118251468822440261663
[12:27] <DJones> penguin42: That might have been a bit before my time
[12:28] <DJones> Fitted in something similar to this http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/Fotothek_df_n-10_0000117.jpg ... Have to love the 1970's fashion from the workers
[12:34] <penguin42> DJones: Because you just had to wood panel your machine room
[12:35] <penguin42> sigh, scottish power's site is broken
[12:35] <DJones> penguin42: Thinking back, the room was wood panelled to waist height & the glass to the ceiling with stupid amounts of air conditioning
[12:35] <DJones> s/the/then/
[12:36] <penguin42> DJones: Well you had to put the wood where it would be able to catch if the computers smoked, mind you I hate to think what the aircon did to the wood - must have dried it out a lot
[13:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> Thorium powered car :-D http://www.industrytap.com/thorium-fueled-automobile-engine-needs-refueling-once-a-century/15649 << Want
[13:14] <DJones> No doubt LPS will be bought out by one of the oil producers & the project "shelved"
[13:15] <ali1234> a car powered by a nuclear reactor... what can possibly go wrong
[13:17] <MartijnVdS> next on Top Gear
[13:17] <mungbean> i seem to have bought a multipack of french fries crisps
[13:17] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: fries or crisps?
[13:17] <mungbean> walkers crisps called french fries
[13:20] <MartijnVdS> Very confusing
[13:21] <penguin42> ali1234: I assume they'll argue that since it's only 1g or so in each car then what could possibly go wrong....
[13:22] <ali1234> if they could make a viable reactor fit in and power a car, it would make much more sense to use it to power your house
[13:22] <mungbean> i can't believe there's a variant of ubuntu called...well have a look http://ubuntu.g8.net/
[13:24] <penguin42> mungbean: Capitalisation is important
[13:24] <mungbean> so it seems
[13:24] <penguin42> ali1234: I'm sure they'll just fit it under the drivers seat
[13:24] <mungbean> so is hardware acceleration, which most of these rk* stuff doesn't have
[13:25] <penguin42> mungbean: You mean graphics? Most of them have tone of the standard ARM gpus
[13:25] <mungbean> specifically for the minix neo x5
[13:26] <AlanBell> mungbean: the build for the Pi will *not* be called that
[13:26] <penguin42> mungbean: If it's that rk then it's got a Mali 400 and a video unit on
[13:27] <penguin42> mungbean: Whether they have it working in the non-android image is probably the bigger issue
[13:27] <mungbean> yep, more interested in true linux on it
[13:28] <Guest29883> does anyone know of a fix for the issue with compiz?
[13:28] <ali1234> which issue with compiz? there are hundreds
[13:28] <AlanBell> !details
[13:29] <Guest29883> when clicking the search bar, search bar comes up for about 3 seconds then screen resets. version 13.10.
[13:30] <Guest29883> and then states there is an error and then goes back to original screen but unable to do much else so have to log into terminal and restart lightdm everytime
[13:31] <AlanBell> by search bar do you mean the dash?
[13:31] <Guest29883> yes thats the one
[13:31] <AlanBell> so you click the logo top left, at the top of the launcher and the dash pops up then resets
[13:31] <Guest29883> yes thats right
[13:32] <mungbean> resets to the login screen?
[13:32] <ali1234> i bet something in "recently used" is corrupted or something
[13:32] <ali1234> try making a new user profile and see if it still happens
[13:32] <AlanBell> just log in as guest to test it
[13:32] <Guest29883> i've installed compizconfig-settings-manager and disabled the annimation but this doesn't do much. This is a fresh install (two fresh installs) both are the same
[13:33] <ali1234> what video card do you have?
[13:33] <AlanBell> could be related to the graphics card,
[13:33] <AlanBell> or a particularly unusual screen resolution?
[13:33] <Guest29883> have been the same and i'm not entirely sure i'll have a look. (does this mean i'm not in luck if it's nvidea?)
[13:34] <Guest29883> doesn't look like there is an external video card
[13:35] <AlanBell> lspci in a terminal should list the card
[13:35] <ali1234> could be that you are running nouveau - it is incredibly unstable on some cards
[13:36] <ali1234> launchpad is down :/
[13:36] <mungbean> WFM
[13:36] <ali1234> https://launchpad.net/bugs/1251431 -> blank page
[13:36] <MartijnVdS> works for the bot ;)
[13:36] <mungbean> and me
[13:36] <MartijnVdS> also, wfm
[13:37] <ali1234> yeah it's working again now
[13:38] <Guest29883> think its this one: VGA compatible controller : intel corporation E7221 integrated graphics controller (rev 04)
[13:40] <popey> AlanBell: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad will see some people joining I expect this week
[13:44] <daftykins> E7221 is Pentium 4 era 0o
[13:45] <daftykins> Guest29883: did it do this in liveCD mode as well as the installed version?
[13:45] <Guest29883> daftkins: not tried the live as i need this installed on my work desktop
[13:46] <AlanBell> popey: ok, I will watch for them
[13:46] <popey> ta
[13:46] <daftykins> Guest29883: so when you booted media you just went straight to install?
[13:46] <daftykins> i think your system is too old to work right
[13:47] <Guest29883> daftykins: yes thats right i have it installed on a laptop from 2000 which works fine but this desktop just won't work
[13:49] <daftykins> Guest29883: i would boot into a live session just to confirm it does the same thing, then confirm that your installed version is fully updated
[13:49] <daftykins> beyond that i have no idea, seems very old hardware
[13:50] <Guest29883> daftykins: probably is i saw the pc laying around so decided to use that. Maybe a bad idea. I think i'm just going to go with centos instead see if i get any luck with that
[13:52] <daftykins> cor it's cold today :S
[13:52] <mungbean> is youtube gonna ask me every time which user i will be using youtube as?
[13:53] <daftykins> i've been having that :( where it tries to put your real name on your account?
[13:53] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: what do you mean? it asks?
[13:53] <mungbean> yes
[13:53] <mungbean> use as "mungbean" or<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:54] <MartijnVdS> so pick one
[13:54] <mungbean> the display name
[13:54] <MartijnVdS> or link the accounts
[13:54] <MartijnVdS> DONE
[13:54] <mungbean> it asks every time
[13:54] <mungbean> after i login
[13:54] <MartijnVdS> don't delete your cookies?
[13:54] <mungbean> i've logged from different devices a few times
[13:54] <mungbean> i also wish i could remove GB feed from my home page permanetly
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: you can, just use http://www.youtube.com/feed/subscriptions instead of youtube.com's default main page
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: MUCH (c)leaner, shows just videos of people you've subscribed to
[13:56] <popey> i use youtube feather interface
[13:56] <popey> so i see no comments at all on youtube
[13:56] <popey> \o/
[13:56] <popey> videos start faster too
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> popey: since G+, they only start loading comments once you scroll down
[13:56] <popey> nice
[13:56] <popey> i dont care about comments tho
[13:56] <popey> so happy to never see them
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> There are actually good ones on the videos I watch
[13:57] <daftykins> good comments!? that's unpossible!
[13:57] <mungbean> i saw one once
[13:57] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: subscribe to better channels :)
[13:57] <popey> i used to like watching Bug
[13:57] <MartijnVdS> The "DFTBA" (John & Hank Green) media empire (if you can call it that) has quite good comments usually
[13:58] <popey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEgCrw9j2eQ
[13:58] <daftykins> only subscription i have is to the feed of the guy that posted the HP Touchpad Android videos ^_^
[13:58] <mungbean> greentheonly?
[13:58] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: vlogbrothers, scishow, crashcourse
[13:58] <popey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEgCrw9j2eQ#t=6m51s for example
[13:58] <mungbean> the russian guy left to join the meerkat adverts
[13:59] <daftykins> mungbean: yep!
[14:00] <mungbean> i subscribe to LAs but i haven't listened to them for couple of years
[14:00] <mungbean> linux action show
[14:00] <mungbean> don't even know if its still going
[14:01] <popey> it is
[14:01] <popey> they also have an "unplugged" show where people hang out and chat on mumble
[14:01] <popey> which is somewhat better in some ways
[14:04] <mungbean> it turned into a moan-fest
[14:04] <mungbean> brian would rant about feodra every week
[14:05] <daftykins> they did have a bit of a rant it seemed
[14:05] <mungbean> i used to listen every week
[14:05] <popey> bryan isnt on it anymore
[14:05] <mungbean> yeah i stopped listening when that other dude came on
[14:05] <popey> hasnt been for a while
[14:06] <mungbean> but i realised i hadn't been enjoying it before then anyway
[14:06] <popey> i rarely watch the whole thing
[14:07] <mungbean> it also coincided with the linux world becoming less exciting
[14:07] <popey> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22027/intro-by-jono-bacon-keynote-by-mark-shuttleworth/
[14:07] <MooDoo> wow that time already?
[14:08] <popey> ya
[14:08] <daftykins> i'm getting concerned at how often these years are flying by now
[14:08] <MooDoo> joined ubuntu-uds-plenary
[14:08] <popey> it happens as you get older
[14:08] <MartijnVdS> also, vUDS is more often
[14:08] <daftykins> hah yeah i got that bit popey ;)
[14:08] <mungbean> i'm willing them to go fater so my baby can grow up
[14:08] <MooDoo> I'm not old cough cough
[14:08] <MartijnVdS> +held
[14:09] <daftykins> mungbean: stop that! :P
[14:09] <mungbean> got 5 hrs sleep instead of 9 last night
[14:09] <mungbean> cannot function like this
[14:09] <daftykins> :(
[14:09] <MooDoo> 5 hours is the norm for me
[14:09] <MooDoo> well 5.5
[14:09] <mungbean> who are you, maggie thatcher?
[14:09] <MooDoo> lol no I always go to bed about midnight and up at 5:30 it's all i need
[14:10] <mungbean> :'(
[14:10] <MooDoo> i have two young kids so i'm used to it now
[14:10] <mungbean> imagine how much more i could get done
[15:06] <mungbean> is everyone listeining to the UDS thing? is there a TLDW version?
[15:09]  * NET||abuse is listening to Deadmau5
[15:09] <NET||abuse> I'll read the cliff notes on google+
[15:10] <bashrc> is anything interesting being said?
[15:11] <MartijnVdS> bashrc: no
[15:11] <MartijnVdS> bashrc: never!
[15:11] <bashrc> I htought as much
[15:12] <directhex> deadmau5. the choice of llamas everywhere.
[15:13] <arsen> 4<-- llama
[15:13] <MartijnVdS> I prefer real musicians.
[15:14] <mungbean> chas 'n' dave?
[15:14] <arsen> music is music, i don't care what tools were used to make it.
[15:14] <MartijnVdS> arsen: I'm not complaining about the tools of his trade
[15:15] <MartijnVdS> arsen: more about the tool behind those tools ;)
[15:16] <dwatkins> I prefer surreal musicians.
[15:17] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: so, psychedelic rock? :)
[15:17] <dwatkins> Ozric Tentacles are a good example.
[15:18] <MartijnVdS> judging by my own music collection, I seem to have a thing for female singer-songwriters
[15:20] <mungbean> MartijnVdS: stina nordenstam?
[15:21] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: have heard the name, don't remember if I've heard the music
[15:21] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: I'm going to see Nerina Pallot in December though -- second time this year (last time was in Minack Theatre in Cornwall last May)
[15:25] <directhex> arsen, no, really! http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00ytqg5/Nuzzle_and_Scratch_Frock_and_Roll_Robots/
[15:29] <MartijnVdS> directhex: I can't even.
[15:30] <directhex> like i said. <directhex> deadmau5. the choice of llamas everywhere.
[15:32] <arsen> hm
[15:32] <arsen> UDS has me thinking about getting a ubuntu phone :o
[15:49] <dwatkins> I don't mind Deadmou5, but I prefer Pendulum.
[15:53] <dwatkins> ...and then there's Lindsey Stirling
[16:06] <awilkins> I quite like Ms Stirling
[16:06] <mungbean> i like £ sterling
[16:07] <daftykins> finally updated my ubuntu flash drive to 12.04.3 from 10.04.4 - things actually boot now!
[16:07] <awilkins> I don't think she'd do her career a favour inserting that as a middle name .. Lindsey "Pounds" Sterling
[16:08] <mungbean> i don't know who these people are
[16:08] <awilkins> Violin playing pixie person.
[16:09] <awilkins> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHjpOzsQ9YI
[16:23] <arsen> big fan of 'Pretty Lights' recently.
[16:26] <arsen> niche, awilkins.
[18:57] <popey> AlanBell: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/21972/ubuntu-enterprise-desktop-roundtable/  may be of interest
[18:57] <popey> coming in 5 mins
[18:58] <DJones> Where has the clock gone in 13.10? Last update has removed it
[18:58] <popey> i have it disappear when indicator-datetime goes awol or unity-panel-service crashes
[18:59] <DJones> killall unity-panel-service has brought it back
[19:01] <DJones> Looks like bug 1228360
[19:01] <DJones> Although thats from September
[19:15] <ali1234> DJones: there's a fix in -proposed
[19:15] <ali1234> DJones: restarting the panel nearly always fixes it too
[19:17] <DJones> Does the bug follow through after a restart
[19:29] <AlanBell> popey: listening along now
[19:34] <ali1234> DJones: afaik it's a race condition on the first startup of the panel after a system reboot
[19:34] <ali1234> ie the dbus services don't start fast enough
[19:35] <ali1234> when you restart the panel, the services don't get restarted
[20:09] <NET||abuse> woah, annoying problem, chrome, flash 11,2,202,327 , probably the pepper pot version.. every time i change tabs back and forward, youtube video turns into a black square. the audio is still going, but no picture :(
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> NET||abuse: are you running other video apps?
[20:37] <DJones> AlanBell: Another pi kickstarter project (from ruskin147's twitter feed) http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/alexklein/kano-a-computer-anyone-can-make
[20:39] <AlanBell> nice packaging for it
[20:40] <DJones> It is, it looks quite a neat project
[20:41] <AlanBell> yeah, it is just an accessory kit, but it does look well thought out
[20:41] <AlanBell> sort of thing they probably should have shipped with on day 1 :)
[20:41] <ali1234> except that it would quadruple the price
[20:42] <AlanBell> yup
[20:48]  * popey is playing gtetrinet
[20:48] <popey> its rather fun
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> wow, tetrinet. Blast from the past!
[20:52]  * brobostigon is playing prince of persia.
[20:56] <mungbean> disappointed you can't buy gift vouchers for people with gift vouchers on amazon
[20:59] <brobostigon> microshaft must have lost it entirly now, spending £4.5bn on nokias mobile business, which is going wildly downhill already, and worsoned since nokia started to use WP*.
[21:01] <mungbean> cheaper than it woulda been
[21:01] <mungbean> shareholders sometimes like to see this kind of thing
[21:03] <brobostigon> i think i can make a fair bet, their market share is going to get even worse, and i think i can bet, that microshaft probably payed nokia's shareholders of fairly well, and i can bet, that those people that objected to the sale, also were those that objected to nokia using WP-OS.
[21:06] <MartijnVdS> WordPerfect-OS? 8-)
[21:06] <brobostigon> windows phone operating system
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corel_Linux ;)
[21:09] <mungbean> i don';t think they paid off the shareholders enough based on the share price a few years ago
[21:09] <mungbean> another company could have revived fortunes , or at least tried to
[21:09] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: yes, i am familier with, :)
[21:09] <popey> i predict nokia will revive
[21:10] <brobostigon> using something else than WP, it has been a disaster since they started using windows.
[21:10] <popey> not really
[21:11] <brobostigon> it seems so,
[21:11] <popey> symbian wasn't a fabulous smartphone once ios and android arrived
[21:11] <popey> they were already going downhill
[21:11] <brobostigon> yes, as i have already said.
[21:19] <penguin42> brobostigon: Nokia's hardware is nice, and it gives MS a foot in to get WP sales
[21:21] <brobostigon> penguin42: on the former, i agree, nokias hw has always been good. but why MS sees a future in something that from most outsiders seems a dead end for MS, i dont know.
[21:22] <penguin42> brobostigon: I think they might actually be able to get enough to make it worth it for them - remember they don't have to make it huge, just large enough
[21:23] <GentileBen> Christ, Ronaldo just scored an unbelievable goal.
[21:23] <GentileBen> If he doesn't win the Ballon D'or this year...just wow.
[21:23] <GentileBen> He's got a hat-trick against Sweden but the last goal was incredible. He was running away from goal, runs past the goalie and...wow.
[21:24] <brobostigon> penguin42: well, i think compared to what they have now, a single figure market, just doubling that, would be some achievement for them.
[21:27] <mungbean> GentileBen: which goal?
[21:28] <mungbean> http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x17e3ww_goal-cristiano-ronaldo-sweden-2-3-portugal-19-11-2013-highlights_sport
[21:28] <mungbean> meh
[21:29] <mungbean> ronaldo and zlatan are both jerks,shame one has to make it through
[21:38] <popey> http://www.reddit.com/r/britishproblems/comments/1qyuov/id_really_like_to_watch_the_doctor_who_50th/
[21:38]  * MartijnVdS tags the OP as being "Probably popey"
[21:38] <ali1234> lol
[21:40] <ali1234> "BBCaboos"
[21:41] <MartijnVdS> isn't that a show on CeeBeebies?
[21:41] <MartijnVdS> or however you spell that
[21:48] <penguin42> hmm, Sony advertising 4k HD TV
[21:57] <NET||abuse> MartijnVdS: jeebus, lost track of time, I got called, then missus "made" me have dinner :)
[21:57] <NET||abuse> regarding the flash bug from,,, some time ago.. no, no other video app running


[14:46] <enyc> hrrm  do-release-upgrade from 20.04 not yet offering 22.04.1
[14:46] <enyc> presuambyl that is triggered manually some time afetr release properly ready and update porcess pre-tested ??!?.
[14:54] <genii> The point release is delayed
[14:56] <genii> Oh, actually it was until today, my error
[14:59] <kryten> https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts - only when it appears here, it's opened for upgrading.
[19:36] <enyc> genii: ubuntu-announce email released today
[19:37]  * genii looks in his spam folder
[20:10] <enyc> genii: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2022-August/thread.html