[05:18] <jam> fullermd: known bug in 'qupdate' versus 'qgetupdates'
[05:18] <jam> but it seems explorer switched because of other bugs in qgetupdates
[05:19] <fullermd> Hmm?
[05:20] <fullermd> Oh.
[05:26] <jam> yeah, about 12 hrs ago :)
[05:27] <fullermd> I left my long-term memory in my other pants   :p
[05:29] <SamB_XP> see, this is why it takes me so long to change pants
[08:36] <peso> I have a stupid question: How do I install a plugin? I'm trying to use the hgbzr plugin by copying it to %APPDATA%\bazaar\2.0\plugins\bzrhg but bzr plugins does not show it.
[08:37] <bob2> what's in that dir (pastebin it)?
[08:38] <peso> the contents of the tar.gz I downloaded from http://launchpad.net/bzr-hg/trunk/0.1/+download/bzr-hg-0.1.tar.gz
[08:39] <peso> How do I pastebin?
[08:45] <peso> I tried to reextract and copy the tar.gz again and this time it worked. Thanks. I think I had some trouble using xcopy.
[08:46] <bob2> ah, good
[11:19] <mdke> can I mark more than one bug as fixed using bzr commit --fixes? if so, what is the syntax? I can't find it in "bzr help bugs"
[11:20] <Peng_> I think "bzr commit --fixes xxx --fixes yyy" works.
[11:21] <mdke> Peng_: awesome, will give it a try
[11:22] <Peng_> Don't thank me until you've tried it. ;P
[11:22]  * mdke waits
[11:22] <johnf> Can someone point me in the right direction of some docs of how I would pragmatically run "bzr add"
[11:23] <Peng_> "Pragmatically"?
[11:24] <johnf> damn spell checker programatically :)
[11:24] <johnf> using bzrlib
[11:26] <mdke> thanks Peng_ :)
[11:27] <Peng_> johnf: I s'pose you could look at the source code for cmd_add.
[11:27] <johnf> Peng_: doing that at the moment :)
[11:28] <johnf> Ahh http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/bzr.dev/developers/integration.html has all the magic I need
[11:28] <Peng_> Oh, good.
[12:36] <dsuch> jam: https://launchpad.net/~jameinel/+junk/bzr-file-locking - I understand it's not yet ready for using as a plugin?
[12:37] <madin60> Hi everybody
[12:37] <madin60> someone speaks french here!
[12:37] <dsuch> jam: Not sure how to understand empty 'cmd_file_lock' or 'cmd_initialize_file_locks'.
[12:37] <dsuch> madin60: Sorry, I don't speak French.
[12:38] <madin60> I've some trouble with the pull command
[12:40] <madin60> I can't pull on my sftp branch
[12:40] <madin60> the access port isn't the traditionnal 22
[12:41] <madin60> How can I succed to pull with an other port on sftp server
[12:41] <bob2> ~/.ssh/config is the easiest way
[12:42] <madin60> bob2 my problem is due to the firewall configuration!
[12:42] <madin60> so I don't think that I can resolve it with the ssh config
[12:43] <bob2> if you want to use an alternate port, and bzr is using openssh, you can do this by editing ~/.ssh/config
[12:43] <bob2> if you need to use a bastion host, you can do that in ~/.ssh/config, too
[12:45] <Peng_> Does putting the port in the sftp:// URL work too?
[12:45] <Peng_> IIRC, it does.
[12:46] <madin60> I try it
[12:46] <madin60> thanks
[15:28] <johnf> is there a plugin that solves the following problem?
[15:29] <johnf> I'm working on a project and fixing multiple upstream bugs
[15:29] <johnf> the patches for each bug are fairly independent of each other
[15:29] <johnf> I want to have them all in a single tree
[15:30] <johnf> but I want to be able to create branches for each patch that I can store in launchpad so I can create a different merge request for each
[15:30] <johnf> I though bzr-loom export-looms would do the trick but each exported loom is cascaded
[16:13] <jml> johnf, there's no plugin that I know of like that.
[17:07] <SQlvpapir> does the latest bzr-gtk work with >2.0?
[19:09] <meoblast001> hi, i accidently control+c'd in the middle of a push
[19:09] <meoblast001> how do i unlock the repository?
[19:10] <Meths> bzr break-lock ?
[19:10] <meoblast001> the remote lock
[19:12] <meoblast001> ok, got it
[19:12] <meoblast001> thanks


[08:34] <yellabs-r2> hello there
[08:35] <yellabs-r2> just came back from the bookshop, to my suprise i saw a linux magazine with an article on ubuntu
[08:35] <yellabs-r2> we are getting some bad press there about ubuntu ...
[08:36] <yellabs-r2> and its "choosen path"
[08:36] <yellabs-r2> http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/Angst-and-Anxiety-Over-Ubuntus-Chosen-Path-78157.html
[08:55] <yellabs-r2> lets hope that there is some good press for ubuntu soon..
[08:55] <yellabs-r2> :)
[08:58] <Calinou> good press?
[08:58] <Calinou> more like "zomg new mint"
[08:59] <yellabs-r2> what is zomg new mint ?
[08:59] <yellabs-r2> sounds fresh ...
[08:59] <Calinou> mint 15 was released 2 days ago
[09:01] <yellabs-r2> do you like mint more then ubuntu ? or would you like a mint to go with your ubuntu ? :)
[09:01] <Calinou> no, I use xubuntu
[09:01] <Calinou> and mint sucks because it's slow and takes ages to boot
[09:01] <yellabs-r2> lightweight
[09:01] <Calinou> even ubuntu is much faster than mint
[09:04] <yellabs-r2> windows 8 is faster too..
[09:04] <yellabs-r2> :P
[09:05] <yellabs-r2> ah, i still love ubuntu ...
[09:05] <yellabs-r2> but the new chrome boook pixel, its neat too
[09:06] <Calinou> windows 8 is slower than a tweaked xubuntu
[09:06] <Calinou> also, laptops suck
[09:08] <yellabs-r2> its thought that desktop computers will be absolete soon..
[09:09] <Calinou> you got my epic facepalm
[09:09] <Calinou> yellabs-r2: how about comparing desktop vs laptop hardware for more than three seconds?
[09:09] <Calinou> screen sizes?
[09:09] <Calinou> repairability/upgradability?
[09:09] <Calinou> the "tower" PC isn't going to die anytime soon
[09:11] <yellabs-r2> i agree with you , but market say's different, sales of smartphones / tablets are high...  and desktop sales are lower each year..
[09:11] <Calinou> say's => says
[09:12] <yellabs-r2> says *
[09:14] <yellabs-r2> i use old second hand desktops, haven not bought a new one in years ..
[09:16] <yellabs-r2> any way, thanks for the nice talk, i am off to do some work , take care, and have a nice day ..


[14:31] <ttx> mvo: do you plan to run upgrade tests for 10.04.1 ?
[14:34] <mvo> ttx: they are running http://people.canonical.com/~mvo/automatic-upgrade-testing/2010-08-11-03:03:01-lts/
[14:34] <ttx> mvo: ok thanks
[14:35] <mvo> ttx: to be fair it says FAIL currently even for minor stuff like config file prompts (that is the reason why the dapper-hardy-lucid ones fail iirc
[14:36] <mvo> ttx: if you need something specific to be tested (a speicifc set of packages etc) just let me know, I can arrange that easily
[14:37] <ttx> mvo: ok, thanks
[15:43] <ScottK> FYI with today being the last day before feature freeze: python-defaults needs to be updated to add python2.7 as a supported version (as well as a few related packages).  I am not planning on doing it and neither doko nor barry seem to be around.
[16:03] <lamont> who's release god today?
[16:04] <lamont> I happened to notice what day it is, and plan to get nmap uploaded tonight, unless that will get me hurt
[16:07] <ogra> lamont, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveAdministration cjwatson or kirkland (the former is on vac. i think)
[16:08] <lamont> he is
[17:41] <ScottK> ogra: Archive Admin != Release Manager.
[20:09] <nigelb> \lastlog nigelbabu
[20:09] <nigelb> grr
[21:49] <newz2000> this may sound premature, but do we yet know what the URLs will be for the *beta* ISOs?


[01:29] <svwilliams> cjohnston, can I run a workflow by you
[01:30] <svwilliams> I'm trying to understand django, I thought I had it but I'm getting a recursive error
[01:32] <cjohnston> can try svwilliams
[01:34] <svwilliams> so child agenda item
[01:34] <svwilliams> you are on the page
[01:34] <cjohnston> yup
[01:34] <svwilliams> ... agenda_item_update
[01:35] <cjohnston> ok
[01:35] <svwilliams> I've added a link that takes you to agenda_item_add_child
[01:35] <svwilliams> the render automatically sets the parent
[01:36] <svwilliams> so on the "if Request.POST"
[01:36] <cjohnston> whats the bug again please
[01:36] <cjohnston> nm
[01:36] <cjohnston> got it
[01:37] <svwilliams> 707123
[01:37] <cjohnston> fwiw.. bug 707123
[01:37] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 707123 in loco-team-portal "When Updating a task add a link to add a subtask (affects: 1) (heat: 5)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/707123
[01:37] <cjohnston> ;-)
[01:37] <svwilliams> nice!
[01:38] <svwilliams> after the form.save in the if request.POST
[01:38] <svwilliams> I render back to the original parent
[01:38] <cjohnston> can you pastebin the code?
[01:38] <svwilliams> and thats when it goes into recursive nightmare
[01:39] <svwilliams> yup just thought of that one sec
[01:40] <svwilliams> http://pastie.org/2881070
[01:41] <svwilliams> needs some cleaning its copied together other functions
[01:42] <cjohnston> what there is new
[01:42] <cjohnston> what lines
[01:43] <svwilliams> its all new
[01:43] <svwilliams> its a new function, which may
[01:43] <svwilliams> be the wrong way to do it
[01:44] <cjohnston> gotcha
[01:44]  * cjohnston is tired too fwiw
[01:45] <svwilliams> no worries a second pair of eyes sometimes is all one needs
[01:46] <svwilliams> I basically tried to understand add and update
[01:46] <svwilliams> and then implement a function around adding a child and returnin to the original update
[01:47] <cjohnston> ya.. im kinda thinkin thats a little too much
[01:47] <svwilliams> yeah I thought so too
[01:48] <svwilliams> the issue I had was when generating the new agenda_item
[01:48] <svwilliams> I need to set to it the parent and as I tried to implement it it grew into what you see
[01:49] <svwilliams> wait ... oh man I haven't been coding enough lately I think I may have it
[01:49] <svwilliams> when I do the render_to_response out to meetings/agenda_item_new.html
[01:49] <svwilliams> and it saves doesn't it post to agenda_item_new
[01:50] <svwilliams> a couple of prints statements would probably tell me
[01:50] <svwilliams> if thats the case I can get rid of the "if post" stuff
[01:51] <svwilliams> I think typing it out got my mind cranking again
[01:51] <svwilliams> I'll let you know how it goes
[01:51] <cjohnston> ok
[01:52] <cjohnston> svwilliams: tonight you made me think of something..
[01:52] <svwilliams> yeah?
[01:52] <cjohnston> Initially I just wanted a url linking to add a new item basically
[01:52] <cjohnston> but.. that link should probably save the current item
[01:52] <cjohnston> and then set the current item as the parent item in the new one
[01:53] <svwilliams> I thought about that at first, so hmm
[01:53] <svwilliams> a new save button
[01:53] <svwilliams> that save's and adds a child
[01:54] <cjohnston> not a new save button.. just if you click the link 'Add Child Item' it saves the current item
[01:55] <svwilliams> ok
[02:07] <cjohnston> svwilliams: i have to head out..
[02:07] <cjohnston> let me know how it goes
[02:07] <cjohnston> if you are having trouble, push the code to LP and mhall119 or i can look at it tomorrow.
[02:10] <svwilliams> ok, sounds good!
[20:14] <benonsoftware> Hello all
[22:19] <Ronnie> ping daker


[02:22] <lotuspsychje> IdleOne: can i report a spam query
[02:22] <IdleOne> please do
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[15:53] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu rly again with a bad atittude
[15:54] <rly> ikonia was trolling like no man or woman has trolled before and they he/she bans me. See the log.
[15:55] <rly> No interest in discussing it further, you can send me a pm, once you unbanned me.
[15:55] <ikonia> rly: grow up, you are always a problem in the channel with your attitude, you've had enough warnings
[15:59] <IAmNotThatGuy> Hope we dont have to PM him ;D
[15:59] <ikonia> I don't think so, he has enough history to know how to use the channel
 ennaa is spamming channel members, btw
[16:09] <bazhang> got him in PM
[16:10]  * genii makes fresh coffee
[16:11] <DJones> Its not on-join spam
[16:12] <k1l_> i can confirm
[16:14] <k1l_> ban 57951
 robdog, to and too are two different words
[17:18] <bazhang> et tu brute?
 What the heck is going on? I just went to the Ubuntu site to download the 13.10 ISO and it trys to give me the 12.04 ISO?
[18:11] <k1l> there were some reports earlier. is this a known issue?
[18:12] <IdleOne> tell him to scroll down a bit
[18:12] <IdleOne> it offer 12.04 LTS and just beneath it 13.10
[18:12] <IdleOne> offers*
[18:13] <k1l> no, they reported they clicked for 13.10 and the doenload started with 12.04
[18:14] <IdleOne> I just tried and it gave me 13.10
[18:14] <DJones> I've just tested & it offered me the 13.10 iso
[18:14] <k1l> hmm
[18:14] <IdleOne> it helps to actually read the info on the site and click the correct button
[18:14] <k1l> i didnt get the failure, too. but there were some reports
[18:14] <DJones> 13.10 whether I pick 64/32 bit
[18:15] <DJones> Sazpaimon_: Made a suggestion that it could be a noscript issue & that they had to whitelist ubuntu
[18:39] <Guest1099> Hello, i am using webchat freenode.net and i cant sent messages to the ubuntu channel
[18:39] <Guest1099> #ubuntu Cannot change nickname while banned on channel
[18:40] <Guest1099> I am authenticated with freenode
[18:50] <Myrtti> yeah, if you changed your nickname after joining the channel, it will be blocked
[18:51] <Myrtti> so leave the channel, rejoin and then you should be able to speak
[20:24] <dahkmattah231> hi. I don't remember what I was banned for. Was it trivial (came in, posted the word 'poo' and left or something) and can get excused with a "I'm sorry, won't do it again" or was it liek, really serious stuff that can't be forgiven and should be punished by death?
[20:24] <IdleOne> dahkmattah231: I see you were banned in #ubuntu for using racist language
[20:24] <dahkmattah231> (don't take my rhetoric as something manipulative, just doing it for my own amusement)
[20:25] <dahkmattah231> IdleOne: what did I say?
[20:25] <IdleOne> then you joined here and conituned with the horrible language
[20:25] <dahkmattah231> I'm not really racist
[20:25] <dahkmattah231> but I probably said racist things and swore in here
[20:25] <dahkmattah231> which would be typically me
[20:25] <IdleOne> well, you either are or you aren't. It is like saying you're just a bit pregnant, not possible.
[20:26] <dahkmattah231> it was more like a case of trolling. Do you have the things I said at hand? (if not, don't bother)
[20:26] <dahkmattah231> (the racist thing specifically)
[20:26] <IdleOne> I do, but I wont be pasting them in here.
[20:27] <dahkmattah231> ah... did I write the N word in caps in a similar manner like this: CAR CAR CAR ... ?
[20:27] <IdleOne> that among a few other choice words
[20:28] <dahkmattah231> can I be forgiven? Boredom struck me, but that's certainly not an excuse (just an explanation).
[20:28] <dahkmattah231> Won't do it again
[20:28] <dahkmattah231> (I hope not.. to be honest.. most probably won't)
[20:28] <IdleOne> I'm going to make this short. You seem to know what you did was not acceptable. Can you be trusted to not do it again and be a productive user of the channel?
[20:28] <dahkmattah231> I have a bit of behavior problem online
[20:29] <dahkmattah231> absolutely. Most of the time, I'm a helping caring person
[20:29] <IdleOne> well, if you aren't certain in your ability to behave accordingly in ubuntu channels. I don't feel comfortable removing the ban
[20:29] <dahkmattah231> though, I "snap" sometimes (not often at all though), to be completely honest. However, I can be certain that I won't do it again, if I just tell myself not to do that
[20:30] <IdleOne> !guidelines
[20:30] <dahkmattah231> I didn't really "took responsibility" to not do it before
[20:30] <IdleOne> Please read the guidelines and make sure you understand them
[20:30] <dahkmattah231> but I can take responsibility
[20:31] <IdleOne> I'm going to give you a chance here and I expect you will follow the guidelines. make sure that something like this doesn't happen again or the next time the ban will be for a lot longer.
[20:31] <IdleOne> deal?
[20:32] <dahkmattah231> deal :) won't happen, promise. This time is different since I'm in for being sensible now (opposed to before)
[20:32] <dahkmattah231> thanks 6(^_^)6
[20:33] <dahkmattah231> :D
[20:33] <IdleOne> you should be able to join #ubuntu now. Please part this channel if there is nothing else.
[20:34] <dahkmattah231> can't send to channel it seems
[20:35] <IdleOne> try now
[20:36] <dahkmattah231> didn't seem to work.. will try to part/join
[20:36] <dahkmattah231> can't send anything :/
[20:36] <IdleOne> hmm
[20:36] <IdleOne> gimme a moment
[20:39] <IdleOne> alright, good to go.
[20:39] <dahkmattah231> aah, thank you very much sire indeed.
[20:39] <dahkmattah231> I will now leave this channel as requested. Au revoir!


[02:26] <Nu-Buntu> Hello
[02:27] <Nu-Buntu> does anyone know where resolution settings are stored? I was tinkering and made it too high
[02:30] <likemindead> !resolution
[02:30] <likemindead> Settings > Settings Manager > Display
[02:31] <Nu-Buntu> ok thx gonna try this, I can't see anything on my hdd so I gotta try the live cd
[02:34] <Nu-Buntu> how do i get to recovery mode? i tried hitting escape before xubuntu boots but it doesn't work
[02:35] <Nu-Buntu> !resolution
[02:39] <likemindead> Nu-Buntu, try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" at a prompt.
[02:42] <likemindead> (And then reboot.)
[02:43] <Nu-Buntu> ok at the start you mean ctrl+alt+f1 into terminal?
[02:44] <likemindead> That'll do it.
[02:50] <Nu-Buntu> didn't work it is still showing horizontal lines
[02:53] <Nu-Buntu> likeminded do you know where the xorg file is I think I have to edit that
[02:55] <likemindead> !xorg
[02:56] <likemindead> Hmm... that's the same link(s).
[02:56] <Nu-Buntu> ya
[02:56] <Nu-Buntu> i tired the sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart also
[02:56] <Nu-Buntu> no luck
[03:04] <likemindead> What'd you do to upset it?
[03:10] <ToStItOs> How do drag and drop my videos files from my music folder to my usb flash drive?
[03:11] <likemindead> What's the problem?
[03:11] <ToStItOs> when I try to drag my media files to my flash drive they just drag back to the music folder
[03:12] <likemindead> Highlight, copy, & paste?
[03:13] <ToStItOs> tried that too no luck
[03:13] <likemindead> Weird permissions?
[03:13] <Nu-Buntu> likemindead I was just messing around with the resolution thinking it would switch back if i messed up but it didn't
[03:13] <ToStItOs> How do I fix that?
[03:14] <likemindead> !permissions
[03:15] <ToStItOs> I lost some media files in the process trying to mess with VLC. I did convert and save and now I cant play my files anymore. Are my files lost forever?
[03:18] <ToStItOs> So does anyone know how do I execute a permission for my flash drive (sorry new at this)
[04:58] <bcgrown> why do I keep getting the "additional plugins are needed" message in Firefox,  but then when I click on "Install Missing Plugins," nothing is listed?  I have flashplugin and sun-java6-plugin installed
[04:58] <bcgrown> http://www.spaenaur.com/view_pdf.asp?Page=C2  <-- this is one page that gives me the message
[04:59] <bcgrown> xubuntu 10.10 32-bit, btw
[06:30] <Balsaq> good morning Lords of the Code...
[06:51] <xubuntu183> hi
[08:25] <Balsaq> does anyone know how to speed up xubuntu by using a flash drive?
[08:28] <Sysi> if you're not talking about ssd disk, i strongly doubt it's possible
[08:31] <Balsaq> i am updating my ole 9.04 xubuntu as we speak
[08:31] <Balsaq> i heard the updates were all done now?
[08:31] <Balsaq> must not be yet
[08:31] <Sysi> i still could someday try putting swap partition to usb-drive, as fast as possible
[08:32] <Sysi> they do have fast search times
[08:32] <Balsaq> hmmm
[08:32] <Sysi> "updatea all done now"?
[08:32] <Balsaq> sounds possible
[08:32] <Sysi> *updates
[08:32] <Balsaq> is xubuntu 904 all finished now are they done supposrting it?
[08:33] <Sysi> !9.04
[08:33] <Balsaq> ok so it ended 3 days ago
[08:33] <Balsaq> i just reinstalled it
[08:33] <Balsaq> and i am getting 259 updates
[08:34] <Balsaq> so they must quit giving new updates...but the old ones still happen.
[08:34] <Sysi> all mirrors not down yet
[08:34] <Balsaq> ahhh ok thats why
[08:34] <Balsaq> so when the mirrors are all down....wut will happen to my old 904
[08:35] <Balsaq> just no more updates right?
[08:35] <Sysi> afaik no repositories
[08:35] <Balsaq> but i can still use synaptic for what it has in ther before i hope?
[08:35] <Sysi> no if nobody provides packages
[08:36] <Balsaq> in other words i can still installany software that was in its repository before they cut it off..i hope
[08:36] <Sysi> not sure but i think not
[08:36] <Balsaq> or else i would have to go in now and check off everything and install all of them now!
[08:36] <Balsaq> hehe
[08:36] <Sysi> i wonder if i needed less than 512mb to test that swap-thing
[08:37] <Balsaq> see this computer only has 256 so it perfect to test it
[08:37] <Balsaq> yet it runs good on the 256
[08:37] <Sysi> usb2.0?
[08:37] <Balsaq> yes
[08:37] <Balsaq> i think so
[08:37] <Sysi> 1.1 is killing slow
[08:37] <Balsaq> just did 259 updates in like 7 minutes
[08:38] <Balsaq> on a ole 2.26 single core and 256 slow ram
[08:38] <Balsaq> 904 still runs fast
[08:38] <Balsaq> but if i lose synaptic entirely its dead
[08:39] <Balsaq> ill bet is i make a big swap on a 2.0 flash drive it will fly
[08:39] <Balsaq> ubuntu wont run like this on 256...not the new one anyway
[08:41] <Sysi> fast development, i now have 4gb
[08:41] <Balsaq> wow
[08:41] <Balsaq> on xubuntu?
[08:41] <Sysi> yes
[08:41] <Balsaq> ram?
[08:41] <Balsaq> holy shiddt
[08:42] <Sysi> don't really need but got it kinda cheap
[08:42] <Balsaq> be careful u may get hurt
[08:42] <Balsaq> i have a machine with xp and ubuntu and it has 4 gigs of ram
[08:42] <Sysi> and nowdays this isn't high-end
[08:43] <Balsaq> and i have one with w7 and ubuntu and it has 6 gigs of ram
[08:43] <Balsaq> ru running 32 bit
[08:46] <n2diy> I just built a 10.04 box, is there an "easy" way to clone my 8.04 box to the 10.04 box?
[08:47] <Balsaq> ru talking about clonezilla?
[08:47] <Sysi> n2diy: settings etc?
[08:48] <Sysi> or programs
[08:48] <n2diy> Sysi: obviously /home, but also everything I've added with synaptic too.
[08:48] <n2diy> Balsaq: I don't know?
[08:48] <Sysi> there's not really good list about installed packages in apt
[08:49] <Sysi> there's *something* but it sucked hard when i tried
[08:50] <Balsaq> clonezilla will basically take an copy of every byte on your computer
[08:51] <n2diy> Balsaq: ok, can I do it over a LAN?
[08:51] <Balsaq> i dont know
[08:51] <Balsaq> bu they have a chat room
[08:51] <Balsaq> and there is a lot of info and vids about it
[08:51] <Sysi> i think clonezilla is for backups
[08:51] <n2diy> Balsaq: on this server?
[08:52] <Balsaq> i am going to get into it myself but havent yet
[08:52] <Balsaq> on freenode yes
[08:52] <Balsaq> i was there once but only 4-5 ppl were there
[08:52] <n2diy> Balsaq: ok, let me see what they have to say, thanks.
[08:52] <Balsaq> youtube may show u how?
[08:52] <Balsaq> it works like norton ghost but its free
[08:53] <Balsaq> still not sure if thats wut u are looking for
[08:53] <Sysi> yeah, thatäs for backups, not like that fancy mac-thingy
[08:53] <Sysi> *that's
[09:03] <Balsaq> ru running 1010 sysi?
[09:03] <Sysi> not yet/anymore
[09:03] <Sysi> i think updating netbook
[09:04] <Balsaq> u were trying it i thought
[09:04] <Balsaq> wut di u do go back to 1004?
[09:04] <Sysi> it worked better as beta than final :P (fixed now)
[09:05] <Sysi> and i put arch to smalles netbook
[09:05] <Balsaq> thats odd
[09:05] <Balsaq> is arch hard to deal with
[09:13] <Sysi> you need to know what you're doing, even if their wiki is great
[09:14] <Sysi> IMO installer is horrible
[09:20] <Balsaq> yeah i kinda figured that
[10:51] <Balsaq> well since 904 is all done i am upgrading
[10:52] <bivo> hello, how do I disable tapclick?
[10:53] <mark76> !tapclick
[10:53] <mark76> Oh
[10:53] <mark76> ?tapclick
[10:55] <Balsaq> i got a feeling u can't unless we have acoder in here...
[10:56] <moetunes> !synaptics
[10:57] <Balsaq> Temporary fix I discovered.
[10:57] <Balsaq> From the command line:
[10:57] <Balsaq> ubuntu:~$ synclient MaxTapTime=0
[10:57] <Balsaq> that does it. Gotta redo it every time I reboot or log out, but it's a fine temporary fix.
[10:59] <UT84726> I am new to linux and am not sure how or why distributions differ and what I should look for in choosing a specific distribution.  At this point I am just using a flash drive dist. of Xubuntu.  This is my first time in the world of linux
[10:59] <bivo> mark76 well I tried this to no avail... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1342660
[10:59] <moetunes>  you can put that command in autostarted apps Balsaq
[11:00] <bivo> who the hell thought tap click on by default was a good idea? It's the most irritating thing ever concived!
[11:00] <Balsaq> ah hah
[11:00] <mark76> What's tapclick? :/
[11:00] <Balsaq> when does 9.10 expire?
[11:00] <mark76> Next year, isn't it?
[11:03] <bivo> mark76 its a feature for laptop trackpads, instead of using the click button, tapping clicks, but it's useless as it thinks you're doing it when you don't want to, making you accidentially click on random things
[11:04] <Balsaq> seems to be sow?
[11:04] <bivo> Balsaq thanks much! it worked!
[11:04] <Balsaq> cool
[11:04] <Balsaq> i dunno how to do the auto thing someone suggested but that sounds even better
[11:07] <Balsaq> i upgraded to 910 and now firefox isnt at the top of my screen anymore?
[11:07] <Balsaq> they couldnt possibly have done that?
[11:54] <Balsaq> during my upgrde it said abiword is not supported anymore?
[11:54] <Balsaq> wassup withthat>
[11:54] <Balsaq> ?
[11:56] <mark76> Dunno
[11:56] <Balsaq> i wonder who the Whizz Bang is that came up with that idea?
[11:56] <mark76> Sounds a bit odd
[11:56] <Balsaq> did we get a new word processor?
[11:57] <mark76> Not that I know of
[11:57] <Balsaq> abi word is good
[11:57] <Balsaq> in fact i put it on some of my windows computers over OO
[11:57] <mark76> It'd be a shame to lose the only alternative to Ooooo Writer
[11:57] <Balsaq> OO runs in the background...big time
[11:58] <mark76> I'm checking Synaptic
[11:58] <Balsaq> sucks a lota juice...abiword just sits there quietly until u use it..
[11:58] <Balsaq> ,aybe they mean they just dont support it, but its still there?
[11:59] <Balsaq> abi word is just....its just cool
[11:59] <Balsaq> it personifies open source software...
[12:00] <mark76> It's still in Synaptic on my system
[12:00] <Balsaq> it just said "not suppoerted"
[12:00] <mark76> Ah right
[12:00] <Balsaq> big window during my upgrade to 1004
[12:00] <Balsaq> but i say...why?
[12:00] <Balsaq> why not?
[12:01] <Balsaq> can we vote on this stuff?
[12:02] <Balsaq> all in suport odf abiword say....Yeah!
[12:03] <mark76> Aye!
[12:04] <Balsaq> i hope 1004 runs faster than 910
[12:05] <Balsaq> i kept 910 for about.....30 minutes?
[12:05] <Balsaq> now doing 1004
[12:05] <mark76> We're on 10.10 now
[12:05] <Balsaq> i know but its still a wild cat
[12:05] <Balsaq> 1004 is the shhhdddt
[12:06] <Balsaq> i have a few computers running it in the ubuntu style and it is a good one
[12:06] <mark76> Abiword appears to be part of the Universe repos
[12:08] <Balsaq> i recently used ubuntu 1004 to rescue files from an infected windows computer...wow, what a distro!
[12:08] <Balsaq> really?
[12:08] <mark76> You liked it?
[12:08] <Balsaq> yes i liked it a lot
[12:08] <mark76> Cool :)
[12:08] <Balsaq> well i didint like rescuing their shddt
[12:08] <mark76> 8)
[12:08] <Balsaq> but 1004 made it sooo easy
[12:09] <Balsaq> its even easier than linux tools that were purposely made for that IMO
[12:10] <Balsaq> well if its a known bug then fix it ubutto dont just sit there...sheez
[12:10] <mark76> !ubutto
[12:11] <Balsaq> i think he is half under the bag...
[12:11] <mark76> Ubutto a bot :p
[12:11] <Balsaq> nontheless if he knows about a bug he should get it fixed before it torments a consumer
[12:11] <mark76> Heh
[12:12] <mark76> I don't think AI is quite that advanced yet
[12:12] <Balsaq> well this is coders paradise....someone can do it
[12:12] <mark76> A bug fixing bot?
[12:13] <mark76> What about all the human developers?
[12:14] <Balsaq> them too
[12:16] <mark76> It's raining here :(
[13:36] <DBeets> Geeze #ubuntu is a circus
[13:36] <DBeets> I need to stop the Xserver, and I don't have gdm installed
[13:36] <DBeets> everywhere I look I see "stop gdm"
[13:43] <popey> do you have any dm?
[13:44] <DBeets> no, just X and fluxbox.
[13:45] <DBeets> I suppose I could drop to single user... telinit 3 does not kill it
[15:15] <Thermi> wtf
[15:15] <Thermi> my taskbar and start bar have disappeared
[15:15] <Thermi> D:
[15:15] <ablomen> Thermi, alt+f2 and then type xfce4-panel
[15:16] <Thermi> ah
[15:16] <Thermi> ty
[15:16] <Thermi> known bug?
[15:16] <ablomen> it sometimes happens, if the particular bug that caused it is known i don't know
[15:17] <Thermi> ok
[15:17] <Thermi> ty for your help
[15:17] <ablomen> no problem
[15:25] <PeterDarkness> Does anyone here know anything about the ati fglrx driver?
[16:12] <zelda> hi, where is the theme for gdm on xubuntu? gdmsetup has no options
[16:20] <likemindead> !gdm
[16:20] <likemindead> Hmm...
[16:29] <xubuntu276> Hi how much quicker is xubuntu in comparison to ubuntu? Is there a rule of thumb?
[16:31] <likemindead> Not really.
[16:31] <xubuntu276> quicker or rule?
[16:32] <likemindead> It is generally quicker. No real rule of thumb.
[16:32] <likemindead> If, by quicker, you mean less resource intensive.
[16:33] <likemindead> Firefox, OOo, Movie Player will work about the same, etc.
[16:34] <xubuntu276> I have only 512Mb ram and ubuntu 10.04 was quite slow in comparison with 8.04. :(
[16:35] <xubuntu276> Will it help to run xubuntu root on a usb 2.0 stick and have swap and home o?n hard disk?
[16:36] <likemindead> I have Xubuntu on Pentium III's and IV's with 512MB RAM and they're quite nice.
[16:36] <likemindead> Flash videos are a bit sluggish on the PIII's is all.
[16:37] <xubuntu276> I think flash uses only cpu power and not graphic acceleration as in windows.
[16:38] <likemindead> Xubuntu is awesome. Xfce is much less buggy than GNOME, in my experience.
[16:40] <xubuntu276> I did run xubuntu some time ago, but it did not support cut & paste and drag & drop within the stardard programs. ubunutu did in comparison.
[16:41] <xubuntu276> but I will give it a new try
[16:42] <xubuntu276> thanks for your answers I will restart and test now. :)
[16:45] <likemindead> Have fun!
[18:27] <Thibaud> Hello there. :)
[18:28] <Thibaud> Is there a soul kind enough to help me?
[18:48] <Khedron> Thibaud: whats up?
[18:48] <Thibaud> Hi Khedron
[18:48] <Thibaud> Thanks for answering.
[18:50] <Thibaud> Well, I wanted to install xubuntu on my old PC so I burnt the CD (10.10) but it freezes at the beginning just after the "setting sensors limits" step.
[19:25] <Khedron> Thibaud: hmm, how much ram does it have?
[19:25] <Thibaud> 512 Meg
[19:25] <Khedron> and sorry for the slow reply, was eating dinner :)
[19:26] <Thibaud> (np, I'm about to do the same)
[19:26] <Thibaud> Do you think that it may be the cause of the problem?
[19:26] <Khedron> no 512 should be fine, but, perhaps try the alternative cd, it has a different installer
[19:27] <Thibaud> I'm burning the 10.4 to try.
[19:27] <Thibaud> But the alternative cd sounds better.
[19:27] <Khedron> the alternative cd usually has less install problems
[19:28] <Khedron> i've used it on a few machines that dislike the live
[19:28] <Thibaud> ok, thank you Khedron that's what I will try.
[19:28] <Thibaud> I have to go. (eat) Bye. :)
[19:28] <Khedron> enjoy
[23:37] <josh1> how do I add my own user picture to my user account so I can see it when I log in to xubuntu, I have 10.04
[23:37] <sir_tyrion> Hey, is the only difference between ubuntu and xubuntu the desktop environment?
[23:37] <sir_tyrion> if I install both sessions, is it like having both installed on my comp?
[23:41] <sir_tyrion> nm got answer (yes)
[23:43] <josh1> any help?
[23:51] <josh1> how do I change my user account picture/icon in xubuntu 10.04


[17:24] <ardchoille> loguser1: There's no guarantee that you or I will be alive 10 years from now.
[17:24] <loguser1> but there is probabilty
[17:24] <loguser1> are disrtros converatable?
[17:24] <ardchoille> _michael: I'm not sure how upgrades work exactly, I never upgrade.
[17:24] <ardchoille> loguser1: What do you mean by convertible?
[17:25] <wightstraker> I opened gnome-alsamixer and I get a blank window. When I go to the "configure soundcard" menus, it crashes. Still no sound...please advise!
[17:25] <_michael> ardchoille: Thank you :)
[17:25] <loguser1> i use ubuntu. its stops. now i have apps installed i upgrade but to another distro
[17:25] <bucatoamano> =( kde4 i have made everythings but.... now when i try to log on it cames back to loggin window
[17:25] <awag> hello all
[17:25] <ardchoille> loguser1: No, I don't see that ever happening.
[17:25] <bazhang> loguser1: no, you need to do afresh install
[17:26] <loguser1> k
[17:26] <loguser1> atleast linux reamisn same
[17:26] <ardchoille> loguser1: That is why I didn't choose "joe's Linux distro" as my main OS :)
[17:26] <loguser1> is there any major difference in linux comands in distros?
[17:26] <loguser1> ardchoille: :)
[17:26] <bazhang> loguser1: yes, quite a bit
[17:27] <loguser1> which one did you used?
[17:27] <ardchoille> loguser1: basically, most commands will be the same. The arguments may differe due to differing versions, but the commands will be the same for the most part
[17:27] <loguser1> which is the most long lasting forcast distro?
[17:27] <ardchoille> loguser1: I have used Ubuntu since 2004 and Kubuntu this year
[17:27] <ardchoille> Slackware is the oldest surviving distro to date
[17:28] <loguser1> ic
[17:28] <loguser1> and what do you think in future what will by/
[17:28] <loguser1> be*
[17:28] <bazhang> kubuntu of course
[17:28] <awag> lol
[17:28] <ardchoille> I try not to look too far ahead, there's enough in "today" to keep me busy :)
[17:28] <loguser1> bazhang:  ic.. :) serious ?
[17:29] <bazhang> loguser1: why not?
[17:29] <loguser1> ardchoille:  hmm
[17:29] <loguser1> bazhang:  ok
[17:29] <ardchoille> loguser1: I seriously doubt Kubuntu is going to die out
[17:29] <loguser1> ic
[17:29] <awag> yo, anyone ever have this problem? open office all of a sudden loads all it's windows without window decoration attached... all other programs have window decor
[17:29] <loguser1> ya. its very fast growing
[17:29] <loguser1> how to change user name and computer name in kubuntu?
[17:30] <awag> join #openoffice
[17:30] <awag> shit
[17:30] <awag> my bad
[17:30] <tlayton> is this the proper channel for kubuntu/kde4 rc1 question?
[17:32] <tlayton> both with beta3 and rc1, i'm getting the "cannot start kstartupconfig4"
[17:32] <Tech-Mike> is there another way to blacklist a driver, need rt73usb blocked
[17:33] <tlayton> kstartupconfig appears to be returning a value of 127
[17:34] <loguser1> tlayton:  yesif i got disconnected from internet during upgrade of kubuntu. will it resume of i have to dl is all over again?
[17:34] <loguser1> during upgrade if i got disconnected from internet during upgrade of kubuntu. will it resume of i have to dl is all over again?
[17:35] <bazhang> loguser1: if you don't delete the apt-cache
[17:35] <loguser1> i will resme
[17:40] <loguser1>  how to change user name and computer name in kubuntu?
[17:45] <antipetya> всем привет
[17:45] <antipetya> О_о
[17:46] <bazhang> !ru | antipetya
[17:46] <ubotu> antipetya: Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[17:46] <antipetya> !ru
[17:46] <Bucatino> :) thanks gusy i  am in kde4
[17:46] <Bucatino> *guys
[17:47] <bazhang> antipetya: first type /join #ubuntu-ru
[17:47] <antipetya> thx, done
[17:48] <yotux> hello can anyone help me figure out xorg problem on hp notebook
[17:58] <claetuss> anybody awake who wants to help with a missing-data-due-to-reinstall problem?
[18:00] <loguser1> i installed wine and then i just click a windows exe file and it began to run. isnt it dangeourous . i mean if i click a windows virus like that. it will destroy the pc. ?
[18:01] <biovore> loguser1: well it can kill everything that wine has access too.. aka your user account and files..  but the system is safe..
[18:02] <biovore> don't run wine as root..  for that reason..
[18:07] <supersonit> hola
[18:07] <supersonit> alguien puede echarme una mano?
[18:07] <claetuss> any filesystem gurus in here?
[18:07] <Jucato> !es | supersonit
[18:07] <ubotu> supersonit: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[18:07] <newguyss> hi, I get this message when trying to install some programs : the following packages have unresolvable dependencies, make sure that all required repositories are added and enabled.
[18:08] <newguyss> can some one please tell me how to add and enable all repositories for everything so I dont get this message again
[18:08] <claetuss> you using adept?
[18:08] <loguser1> i installed wine and then i just click a windows exe file and it began to run. isnt it dangeourous . i mean if i click a windows virus like that. it will destroy the pc. ?
[18:08] <newguyss> trying to install from the synaptic
[18:13] <jackpot_200111> hi
[18:14] <claetuss> any filesystem gurus yet?
[18:14] <Stilo> i installed the kde4 beta. When i log in i see a little window with the workspace. But it fills not my full screen. The rest is white. Where is the problem? The resolution?
[18:14] <emilsedgh> claetuss: im not a filesystem guru, but just ask your question :)
[18:16] <claetuss> word... I just reinstalled kubuntu (old habit from growing up on windows), mounted my home partition as home, now it shows that the drive has space taken up, but ls-al only shows the home folder auto created by installer
[18:16] <claetuss> and lost+found of course, both empty
[18:18] <claetuss> any thoughts on how I'm going to see my data again?
[18:21] <awag> are you sure it is mounted on home ?
[18:21] <claetuss> to the best of my knowledge
[18:21] <awag> what does df show?
[18:23] <claetuss> "/dev/sda6            288370844<PHONE_NUMBER>17468   1% /home"
[18:23] <claetuss> among other things
[18:23] <loguser1> i installed wine and then i just click a windows exe file and it began to run. isnt it dangeourous . i mean if i click a windows virus like that. it will destroy the pc. ? if i have wine installed . how much should i worry about windows viruses. (iam a singer user in linux) and what can i do to prevent damage?
[18:24] <jbesiee> hi, i have exaclty the same problem as described here http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=95493&p=22 post 540 while trying to install kde 4 rc 1. I followed the instructions here,http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc1.php and i don't know what to do now ...
[18:24] <Jucato> loguser1: you can ask in #winehq if viruses that are made for Windows will work on Linux. but biovore already gave you an answer
[18:25] <loguser1> biovore:  can you repeat pls
[18:25] <awag> claetuss, hmmm i'm not really to knowledgeable about things like this..
[18:26] <awag> claetuss, maybe a permissions problem?
[18:26] <claetuss> you'd think though, that the directory would be visible, just inaccessible, esp. as root, right?
[18:27] <fdoving>  claetuss that looks formatted. so your data is probably long gone.
[18:27] <awag> oh yeah, i didn't see that 1% use..
[18:28] <jbesiee> No one to help me ? ...
[18:28] <fdoving> claetuss: unless you have only around 200MB of data on it, which is unlikely i guess.
[18:29] <claetuss> awag/fdoving: yeah... poop. I don't remember formatting it. Thanks for the help though, it's appreciated
[18:29] <awag> yeah, that sucks man
[18:30] <loguser1> is there a way that i can stop wine to auto open an .exe (windows app)   instead i always have to open a windows exe file by konsole.  ?
[18:30] <claetuss> jbesiee: I'd try, except I don't speak french and the translator won't pick up on the colloquialisms
[18:30] <genii> loguser1: Perhaps ask in channel #winehq
[18:31] <awag> loguser1, if you go to properties of any file
[18:31] <awag> loguser1, in kde, you can set the defualt application used to open it
[18:31] <awag> loguser1, just remove all the applications from the default application for .exe files
[18:31] <awag> loguser1, which should only be wine
[18:32] <awag> loguser1, then even if you click on it i think it should ask you what you want to open it with
[18:34] <loguser1> yes. but there are many kings of viruses.    like          .bat   .scr          etc
[18:35] <jbesiee> claetuss : i'm going to revert back to english and make a pastebin
[18:36] <simion314> Hi, i have a problem , i instaleed crossover and install a program, all is ok except that the .exe fle are not asocieted to run with crossover, the .exe have now the crossover icon but i cannot run them, and the shortcuts to the installed software do not appear on descktop
[18:36] <claetuss> jb: not promising anything, I'm a bit of a noob myself, want to save yourself some effort and synopsize for me?
[18:37] <manuel_> hi
[18:37] <jbesiee> claetuss : what do you propose me to do ?
[18:37] <awag> loguser1, won't a virus run inder wine only cause problems within the wine folder and other wine related things
[18:37] <manuel_> i have upgraded to gusty now and kde has now shortcuts on my Email and mute key
[18:38] <claetuss> simion: can you find the installed software? if so, just click and drag to desktop and choose create link here (or whatever it says)
[18:38] <awag> loguser1, i'm pretty sure that is the case
[18:38] <manuel_> how can i delete these default shortcuts??
[18:38] <awag> loguser1, i don't think you need to worry about a windows virus coming and like deleting your home directory via wine
[18:38] <boeroe> can anybody tell me hwhere i can find an yahho mesenger for kubyntu
[18:38] <boeroe> yahoo messenger for kubyntu
[18:38] <loguser1> are you sure?
[18:39] <awag> loguser1, not positive
[18:40] <loguser1> k
[18:40] <Jucato> loguser1: why don't you ask in the right channel? in the channel that deals with wine
[18:40] <Jucato> boeroe: Kopete can handle (basic) Yahoo Messenger
[18:41] <claetuss> jb: what's the basic jist of your problem?
[18:41] <boeroe> oke have kopete but do not see how i can do it will try again
[18:42] <awag> loguser1, http://www.3000ad.com/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=36;t=000377#000000
[18:42] <jbesiee> apt-get seems lost after broken dependencies, even apt-get -f install don't complete
[18:42] <loguser1> thx
[18:43] <claetuss> jb: crap, i've been banging my head against that problem too, and you prob have a better understanding than I anyway
[18:44] <jbesiee> i think i solved it by commenting the falting repository in the /etc/apt/sources.list file, and then launching apt-get -f install
[18:45] <beata_> Hello. I've installed kUbuntu and removed "konqueror" and "hplip" packages after that. Now there's no option to pack/unpack a file with ark, when I right-click on an icon. I can open it with ark, which IS installed, but no option is in the menu :/
[18:45] <ubuntu> Hi, I wonder, I want to have a virtual machine, I'll use virtualbox, Can I decide on which parition I want to install it? Or do I have to install the guest OS at my main "/" partition?
[18:46] <claetuss> JB: YOU ROCK
[18:46] <claetuss> sorry for shouting
[18:46] <awag> ubuntu, you can put it anywhere you want i think
[18:47] <awag> ubuntu, you make a file, that acts as a virtual harddrive for your virtual machine
[18:47] <awag> just start up virtualbox, it more or less will tell you what to do i think
[18:47] <Jucato> ubuntu: by default it will install in a hidden .VirtualBox folder in your home
[18:48] <jbesiee> claetuss : thx :D
[18:48] <Jucato> ubuntu: you're not going to really install an OS on a real partition
[18:48] <awag> exactly
[18:48] <ubuntu> Jucato, Ok. But I can change it?
[18:48] <beroualm> hi all
[18:48] <beroualm> speak french ?
[18:48] <Jucato> ubuntu: yes
[18:48] <ubuntu> awag , :), but Im planning my partitioning
[18:48] <Jucato> !fr | beroualm
[18:48] <ubotu> beroualm: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[18:48] <beroualm> thank's
[18:48] <Jucato> ubuntu: it has nothing to do with partitions
[18:48] <jbesiee> Can anyone edit this page : http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc1.php ? It seems you also have to remove the kde4base-data package before attempting an kde4 rc1 update
[18:49] <Jucato> jbesiee: it does say remove all kde4 beta packages right?
[18:49] <ubuntu> Jucato, oh :(, well, my goal is that if my XP parition gets a virus, it shouldn't be able to touch my "/" path
[18:49] <jbesiee> here is what is said : "Remove previous KDE 4 packages, they are not compatible (apt-get remove kdelibs5)"
[18:49] <awag> ubuntu, it won't work like that anyway
[18:49] <Jucato> ubuntu: it really won't
[18:50] <Jucato> ubuntu: again, you are not installing on a partition. think of a virtual machine as a big file that holds the OS
[18:50] <awag> ubuntu, the way it works to my knowledge, is that virtualbox will make a file that will act as a virtual harddrive, the entire disk
[18:50] <Jucato> it's just a file
[18:50] <jbesiee> it should be "Remove previous KDE 4 packages, they are not compatible (apt-get remove kdelibs5 kde4base-data )"
[18:50] <Jucato> stdin: ping
[18:50] <awag> ubuntu, anything that you do in virtualbox, with windows xp, will be contained in that one file
[18:50] <Jucato> stdin: re: what jbesiee said
[18:51] <ubuntu> awag, jucato, thanks. Can I decide to have that specific 'big file' on another partition? Or is that just unnessecary?
[18:52] <munk_> how can i get a microphone working with kopete? for a yahoo account?
[18:52] <Jucato> ubuntu: unnecessary unless you really *really* want to
[18:52] <maikel> espanñol alguien habla its my firts time
[18:52] <awag> ubuntu, but yeah if you want to, like for example, i had my virtualbox stuff on an entire different harddrive for a while, just because i didn't have space on my main drive
[18:52] <ubuntu> awag,jucato , I though to have 16 GB for my main parition (Im in live CD installing), but I shoiuld rather make it huger if I want to have a virtual machine on it, right?
[18:52] <Jucato> ubuntu: the thing is, it doesn't matter. virtual machines don't really mind your partitions
[18:52] <Jucato> ubuntu: yes
[18:53] <awag> ubuntu, how big is the drive?
[18:53] <Jucato> !es | maikel
[18:53] <ubotu> maikel: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[18:53] <ubuntu> awag. It's totally 160 GB,  I at very first thought to have a 16 GB and a ~20GB for the XP guest Virtual machine, but I should put those togehter, right?
[18:54] <awag> is the rest of your drive, other than swap going to be used as /home?
[18:54] <munk_> how can i get a microphone working with kopete? for a yahoo account?
[18:54] <ubuntu> awag, I have another drive jsut for legally downloaded stuff ;), I thought of it being 110 GB
[18:56] <awag> ubuntu, if you are going to mount a nice big partition on /home then you don't have to have a huge main partition, but i'd definately go with more than 16 gb
[18:56] <ubuntu> awag, hmm, 36 GB :)?, what do you think about that?
[18:57] <llutz> !version
[18:57] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type « lsb_release -a » in a !shell
[18:58] <awag> ubuntu, sure, is your home going to be on a different partition / drive though?
[18:59] <ubuntu> awag, No, I have my /home/ at the same partition Im installing Kubuntu, is that good/bad?
[18:59] <awag> oh, well in that case, make it way bigger
[19:00] <ubuntu> awag, /home/ ,I dont use that so much , do you? I thought it just was for some personal documents and such, I have all my media on the big partition
[19:00] <awag> ubuntu, for example, i have an 80 gb drive as my main drive mounted on / and then i have a 320 gb drive mounted on /home
[19:00] <awag> ubuntu, well yeah i did that at one point a few years ago, when i first tried to use linux, and then someone told me to do it this way
[19:01] <awag> see if you put all your important stuff in home, and have it so that home points to another disk or partition entirely
[19:01] <ubuntu> awag, did you see any improvement? I mean, was it worth it?
[19:01] <awag> well, the only thing is, if you want to reformat, and reinstall your OS
[19:01] <awag> you can reformat your / without touching your home
[19:03] <awag> and since alot of things automatically get saved to your home dir, if it is all safe on a separate partition you won't have to worry about trying to find your files to back up if you want to format
[19:04] <ubuntu> awag, what you say makes sense, but I keep it to less than 2-3 GB; I mean documents take no space right?
[19:04] <awag> yeah if thats all you use it for thats fine
[19:05] <ubuntu> awag, If I want it that way.... should I type the mount point: '/home/' in kparted?
[19:05] <ubuntu> awag, or wahtever that partitiion program that is in the installation program is labeled
[19:06] <awag> are you in the middle of an install on another machine right now?
[19:07] <ubuntu> in the middle of the install, not that it have started, but im playing around testing how I want my partitions
[19:12]  * ubuntu pressed install button
[19:12] <awag> sweet
[19:16] <henry_> Hello everybody, I'm installing Kubuntu on a laptop and I try to access to an smb print server, but I can't see it in my domain, is there something to do ?
[19:17] <ubuntu> henry_ are you installing right now?
[19:17] <henry_> yes
[19:17] <ubuntu> henry_ so ur in hte live CD?
[19:17] <_miquel> Hello, how can I connect my laptop to my PC?
[19:17] <henry_> no, I'm on a installed system
[19:18] <_miquel> I'm running kubuntu dapper on both and both are connected to the same router via ethernet
[19:18] <henry_> but I'm in the process (there is some other things remaining)
[19:18] <ubuntu> !printers
[19:18] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[19:19] <ubuntu> henry_ that might help, but im not really experienved
[19:19] <henry_> thx
[19:25] <awag> ubuntu, hows the intstall going?
[19:27] <nick_> I'm having a k3b problem, it worked fine a few days ago, but now whenever I try to burn any kind of disk (data cd, dvd, iso cd, dvd) it says the device has no permission to open the device (it always happens on the 31st megabyte) but I havn't changed permissions in anyway, can someone explain to me how to fix this before I ruin all my cds :)
[19:28] <nick_> I've been searching the web but most of the answers I find are about suse or other distros and I can't find the files they say to edit in kubuntu
[19:31] <Lacrymology> error while trying to version-upgrade:
[19:31] <Lacrymology> Traceback (most recent call last):
[19:31] <Lacrymology>   File "/tmp/kde-root/adept_updaterN0iGya.tmp-extract/dist-upgrade.py", line 33, in <module>
[19:31] <Lacrymology>     logging.basicConfig(level=logging.DEBUG,
[19:31] <Lacrymology> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'basicConfig'
[19:31] <work> hi every body
[19:32] <work> this is my first time to log on this chat
[19:33] <Jucato> !hi | work
[19:33] <ubotu> work: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[19:33] <work> thanks
[19:33] <work> i am from egypt
[19:33] <work> and you
[19:34] <Jucato> this isn't really the place for that :)
[19:35] <Jucato> This is the Kubuntu user support channel.
[19:35] <Lacrymology> then
[19:35] <Lacrymology> can anyone give me some support on why won't kubuntu upgrade to .10?
[19:36] <work> ok sorry let's us discuss or Kubuntu
[19:36] <Jucato> hm... I haven't encountered that error...
[19:36] <Jucato> Lacrymology: did it crash while upgrading?
[19:37] <emilsedgh> lol
[19:37] <Lacrymology> Jucato: if I open the updater and click on new version, it downloads the "updater program" or something like that and dies
[19:37] <Lacrymology> Jucato: then I sudo adept_updater and I get that output after doing that
[19:38] <Jucato> but you should use adept_manager for upgrading to 7.10... although not sure if that will fix it
[19:38] <Lacrymology> I mean, I get the "press version upgrade" then the "press finish" after "downloading and veryfying upgrade tool"
[19:38] <Jucato> did you follow the upgrade instructions exactly?
[19:38] <Jucato> hm..
[19:39] <jhutchins> Lacrymology: You might want to kill X/kdm, clean out /tmp, reboot and retry.
[19:39] <Lacrymology> ok
[19:40] <nick_> I'm having a k3b problem, it worked fine a few days ago, but now whenever I try to burn any kind of disk (data cd, dvd, iso cd, dvd) it says the device has no permission to open the device (it always happens on the 31st megabyte) but I havn't changed permissions in anyway, can someone explain to me how to fix this before I ruin all my cds :)
[19:40] <blendtux-away> sorry
[19:46] <nick_> Can someone tell me how to tell what drive number my cdrom drive is?
[19:50] <WaltzingAlong> nick_: drive number?
[19:50] <WaltzingAlong> nick_: cat /etc/fstab
[19:52] <nick_> Intresstingly enough, when the speed is turn way down (4x) for cds it seems to be working...why is that?
[19:53] <awag> nick_, are you running alot of other programs or something?
[19:53] <nick_> awag: nope, just k3b when it crashes, I am running 3 programs now at the slower speed and it works
[19:54] <nick_> awag: I ran across this post where this guy said he saw on a windows forum that sometimes the laser can get dim and won't write as fast, but would that return that kind of error?
[19:56] <nick_> Yep, successful burn at 4x
[19:58] <WaltzingAlong> even if the cd could be burnt at 32x, for example, should be more compatible with a slower burn
[20:01] <WaltzingAlong> at least this has been so in my experience especially with video dvd formatted discs
[20:01] <s4xxon> i'll agree. as lower the speed. more secure to write a cd/dvd better
[20:01] <nick_> Oh yes, I know they work down, I just can't figure out why k3b was returning the permission error when it was set on auto (and we're not talking about hyper speed 16x or less)
[20:02] <nick_> Anyway, I don't mind waiting thanks for the help everyone
[20:02] <nick_> Night
[20:04] <theunixgeek> Is there anything Visual-Studio like for Linux?
[20:04] <s4xxon> no, but there is grasshopper
[20:04] <s4xxon> depends what u mean with visual studio
[20:04] <s4xxon> .NET ?
[20:04] <theunixgeek> yeah
[20:04] <theunixgeek> just a way to Visually design applications
[20:05] <s4xxon> on what language
[20:06] <s4xxon> net beans is good for that, and if i am not wrong it has also package to design C++ forms
[20:06] <achref> hi
[20:07] <hydrogen> qt has a designer
[20:07] <WaltzingAlong> there are plenty of IDE tools. which language do you want?
[20:07] <WaltzingAlong> !info kdevelop
[20:07] <ubotu> kdevelop: An IDE for Unix/X11. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.0-0ubuntu2.1 (gutsy), package size 8840 kB, installed size 26992 kB
[20:08] <s4xxon> WaltzingAlong,  kdevelop doesnt support GUI i think. its just an ide
[20:08] <MilitantPotato> At login I keep getting No command arguments supplied! Usage: kdesudo [-u <runas>] <command> KdeSudo will now exit...  How do I fix this?
[20:08] <s4xxon> with editor compiler debugger
[20:08] <wolfear> Hi all..trying to set up dancer-ircd. I ahd previously installed, then removed ircd-hybrid(using apt-get for everything). When trying to test the dancer installation from my desktop, I'm still getting the hybrid MOTD when trying to connect using konversation..is there a cache or tmp area I need to clear out to test dancer
[20:08] <hydrogen> kdevelop embeds qt designer
[20:08] <WaltzingAlong> !info kdevdesigner
[20:08] <ubotu> Package kdevdesigner does not exist in gutsy
[20:08] <MilitantPotato> It happens regardless of me saving a new session or not
[20:08] <hydrogen> !file kdevdesigner
[20:08] <s4xxon> qt is good, but he has to know what kind of applications he wants and in what language
[20:08] <WaltzingAlong> anyway kdevdesigner is a part of kdevelop which is the built-in gui designer or yes links to the qt designer
[20:13] <WaltzingAlong> s4xxon: yes true
[20:14] <WaltzingAlong> s4xxon: and actually in my experience anyone who has asked for a gnu/linux equiv of visual studio has not found one ... mostly looking for the RAD part of building GUI apps quickly
[20:14] <wolfear> If memory servers me correctly..doesn't the kdewebdev meta have pretty much everything included?
[20:15] <s4xxon> frankly talking i dont get what you mean :)
[20:15] <s4xxon> anyway, going for a gui developing ide isnt that easy to start with
[20:16] <s4xxon> i myself know how to some basic java applications with gui through a text editor, and when i used netbeans it took me several days to figure out a bit whats happening
[20:16] <s4xxon> so its not the best way to start with using it as basis
[20:19] <WaltzingAlong> well i mean that the people who have been asking me were looking for a way to build programs without thinking about building programs. if it were well planned, using gui designers first or during would have worked too
[20:21] <WaltzingAlong> but of course there are the learning curves as one can expect
[20:22] <s4xxon> guing straight for gui means you are lazy to learn the basic code :)
[20:22] <WaltzingAlong> yes i know and i was thinking that forcing developers to well design first yields better results
[20:36] <arash> Hi, my knetworkmanager seemed nice at first, but i did something and I can't get it back the way it was directly after installing Kubuntu, how can I restore it?
[20:38] <elfo_> wee, greetings from my recent installed kubuntu 7.10 :) it's working flawless till now :)
[20:39] <ksal> hi
[20:39] <elfo_> hello ksal
[20:39] <ksal> how can I set a Label of a partition?
[20:39] <SSJ_GZ> elfo_: Glad to hear it :)
[20:40] <elfo_> anyway is running in vmware :) I'll migrate to real machine tomorrow or so. Then I'll test how's going with 3d accelerated nvidia graphic card
[20:40] <elfo_> and maybe i'll take a look to compiz-fusion
[20:41] <elfo_> Planned to use treviño¡s repositories.. any suggested alternative?
[20:41] <ksal> I mean something like in windows, i could name a disk as 'WinSux' etc.
[20:42] <jpatrick> elfo_: updated compiz-fusion is in backports
[20:42] <elfo_> ksal take a look at /etc/fstab maybe that helps :)
[20:42] <ksal> how can i do this in linux? i know it's possible somehow, because names i set on windows are seenable
[20:42] <elfo_> really? good to hear jpatrick, thanx for the tip :)
[20:43] <arash> hmm... I dont think that has to do with fstab, though im not sure at all
[20:43] <jpatrick> ksal: right click it in konq and properties, should be there somewhere
[20:43] <jpatrick> ksal: under "media:/", I think
[20:44] <elfo_> oops. I missunderstood I thought that he wanted to change the mount point :) sorry
[20:45] <ksal> :P
[20:45] <ksal> jpatrick: thanks, i did it. i just wanted to make sure, that there's no config for this ;)
[20:46] <jpatrick> ksal: no problem
[20:46] <ksal> i didn't ever see anything like this in fstab, so i wondered if there's anything else
[20:47] <arash> Hi, I want to remove all data files for one of my KDE applications, can anyone help me?
[20:47] <jpatrick> arash: you better look for it's folder in ~/.kde/share/apps and remove it
[20:47] <jpatrick> but check what's inside first.
[20:48] <ksal> bye
[20:48] <Evil_`> Anyone know why after I installed Kubuntu from the livecd, when I try to run without the CD, it says cannot allocate from memory region 7 or something and wont run?
[20:50] <jpms> hols
[20:50] <jernejovc> hi, I've tried to connect to wireless network with Kubuntu 7.10, and I couldn't get the wireless connection to work in kubuntu. router: Linksys WRT54GL, wireless card: TP-Link TLWN610G. help any1?
[20:50] <jpatrick> !wifi
[20:50] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[20:50] <arash> jernejovc, I m having trouble with wireless netwrok now too
[20:51] <egulcin> arkadaşlar aranızda ubuntusa ses sorunu yaşamış olanlar var mı?
[20:52] <egulcin> ve bunun çözümünü bulmuş olan?
[20:52] <jernejovc> arash, can you connect to network if you have DHCP turned on? because if I use manual config i can conenct to network, but can't connect to any site at all. not even ones in LAN.
[20:53] <Dr_willis> I had a HD yesterday that started spitting out errors. i reformated it - and it 'seems' to be fine. There a decent way to test it out better then just fsck ing it?
[20:54] <arash> jernejovc, im currently using my normal connection, but i want to be able to use the wirelsss  one too
[20:56] <arash> knetworkmanager is killing me, anyone know how to reset it , it seems to say that 'networkmanager' isn't running, and therefore it doesnt like to show me any GUI
[21:02] <ee|> Dr_willis: smartctl, and do bad block checking when you format.
[21:02] <Dr_willis> ee|,  Hmm ok i will check that out.
[21:03] <ee|> mkfs.whatever will have some option.
[21:03] <ee|> for bb checking
[21:03] <Dr_willis> darn hd went kabam when i did a fsck /dev/sdb4 it said 'is this a zero legenth partition' unfortunatly it was /home :)
[21:03] <leo_rockw> hello everyone. i'm trying to record some sound using krec and that's not working. audacity and skype work with my mic, how can i tell kde what to use as sound input?
[21:03] <Dr_willis> i did do a mkfs with an option to check badblocks
[21:04] <Dr_willis> just wondering if there was somthing more 'in depth'  to help me decide to toss the HD. or reformat/reinstall/watch it die again. :)
[21:05] <tweek_> bonsoir
[21:06]  * genii sips a coffee
[21:06] <leo_rockw> genii: all that coffee can't be good :-P
[21:07] <johannes__> hi everybody
[21:07] <leo_rockw> hello johannes__
[21:07] <genii> leo_rockw: To the contrary, it's extremely tasty
[21:07] <leo_rockw> genii: hahaha
[21:07] <johannes__> can someone help me with wine? im new to linux ^^
[21:08] <genii> johannes__: There is a channel for them, #winehq    Just to install it, use the package manager
[21:08] <johannes__> thx for the channel ;)
[21:08] <genii> eg: kmenu..Add/Remove Programs
[21:08] <johannes__> I have it already instaled
[21:09] <leo_rockw> you should need wine too much, unless you're trying to play games. in which case you can buy a ps2 with the money you saved from the winbugs license
[21:09] <leo_rockw> shouldn't*
[21:09] <johannes__> I don't ned it for gaming
[21:10] <leo_rockw> johannes__: what are you trying to run?
[21:10] <morphinex> howdy folks, I am having trouble connecting my mp3 player...
[21:10] <morphinex> I am getting error -71 in my dmesg output
[21:10]  * Wolf32 is away: Zur Zeit nicht da.
[21:11]  * Wolf32 is back.
[21:22] <Minnozz> Hi, which progam should I use to scan (images, text)?
[21:23] <Dr_willis> Hmm. I thought 'kooka' was the default tool for that.
[21:23] <Dr_willis> !info kooka
[21:23] <ubotu> kooka: scanner program for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 744 kB, installed size 1204 kB
[21:23] <Minnozz> thanks, I'll try that one =)
[21:23] <keaton> Kopete seems to have spontaniously stopped letting me connect to any chat services.
[21:24]  * ScorpKing waves..
[21:26] <keaton> Anyone know where Kopete stores user settings and such?
[21:27] <Dr_willis> in .kde/somwehere :)
[21:27] <keaton> thanks
[21:27] <novizio> hello!
[21:27] <jhutchins> keaton: probably somewhere under <home>/.kde/share/
[21:27] <Dr_willis> thats one nice thing about Kde.
[21:27] <Tm_T> ~/.kde/share/apps/kopete*
[21:27] <ardchoille> keaton: ~/.kde/share/{config|apps}/kopet*
[21:27] <Tm_T> ~/.kde/share/config/kopete*
[21:27] <ScorpKing> .kde/share/apps/kopete
[21:27] <Tm_T> ardchoille: meh
[21:28]  * ardchoille got them both :)
[21:28] <morphinex> any thoughts on how I can install libqca2 in edgy?
[21:28] <Tm_T> morphinex: for...
[21:28] <morphinex> Tm_T: for Psi 0.11
[21:28] <novizio> is there anybody that can help me for my printer on kubuntu 7.04?
[21:28] <morphinex> It seems kind of insane to do a full upgrade to gutsy justy so I can get that one library
[21:29] <Evil_`> IS there any known problems with installing Kubuntu on a Dell laptop? because I've resinstalled this about 5 times, and no luck
[21:29] <Evil_`> it keeps saying something about not being able to allocate memory in resourse 7 or something
[21:29] <novizio> is there anybody that can help me for my printer on kubuntu 7.04?
[21:29] <Dr_willis> Dell makes a lot of laptops. :)
[21:29] <Dr_willis> Evil_`,  may want to try the alternative installer cd.
[21:29] <jernejovc> bye
[21:29] <Evil_`> alternative installer cd?
[21:29] <Dr_willis> Ihad a odd machine that would crash on the live cd. but the alt install cd worked fine.
[21:30] <Dr_willis> Alternive install cd  = text only installer, no live desktop
[21:30] <Evil_`> ah
[21:30] <jhutchins> novizio: Better to state the specific problem you're having, and what printer it is.  No need to repeat while your original question is still on-screen.
[21:30] <Evil_`> Ok, I'll try it...thanks :)
[21:30] <ardchoille> Evil_`: It's test-based, but very easy to follow.
[21:31] <Evil_`> alright, is it on the livecd?
[21:31] <ardchoille> No, it's a diff cd, the alternate cd
[21:31] <jhutchins> Evil_`: The alternate install CD is not on the live CD, no.
[21:32] <morphinex> Psi is packaged in a weird way... the .deb file I found will actually installed on edgy, but it crashes when it tries to connect
[21:33] <novizio> i have an Epson dx7400 print/scanner, and mi kubuntu 7.04 haven't driver for that printer.
[21:33] <leo_rockw> how can i tell kde what device to use to input sound?
[21:33] <Dr_willis> novizio,  check cups.org to see if that printer has any linux sypport. that site may suggest a alternative driver for it.
[21:34] <novizio> thanks! i'm going..
[21:35] <Dr_willis> well bbl.. egads.. the 'inlaws' got a computer at walmart today.. Now i have to explain to them why they cant get the internet... they dont even have cable. :)
[21:36] <Dr_willis> I think i may hide from them for a few days
[21:36] <Evil_`> Hmm, is there a way I can download the alternative CD and burn it to a disk...from the livecd? I have a feeling the answer is no lol
[21:36] <jhutchins> Dr_willis: They thought... you just plug it in, eh?  Maybe all that wifi stuff people talk about...
[21:37] <jhutchins> Evil_`: Dunno why not.
[21:37] <Evil_`> because I can't take the livecd out
[21:37] <jhutchins> Evil_`: ...because you have a partial install that doesn't work?
[21:37] <Dr_willis> jhutchins,  they are so old.. they can barely read the screens with 1 inch tall letters.
[21:37] <jhutchins> Evil_`: Were you setting it up to dual-boot?
[21:37] <Dr_willis> :)
[21:37] <Evil_`> no
[21:45] <novizio> Dr-Willis, on cups.org i don't found my drivers, but on epson-org i found they... the problem is this: how can i install the drivers named f.es.: pipslite-1.0.1.tar.gz ??? this ia a zipped archive and i don't know whot can i do!
[21:45] <jhutchins> Evil_`: It's worth a try.
[21:45] <voicu> if i shrink and ext3 partition in qtparted how can i be sure it won't damage the data on it?
[21:45] <voicu> *an
[21:45] <jhutchins> novizio: Look for instructions on the web site or in the tar.gz, which should open with ark.
[21:45] <Evil_`> my disk drive won't open :P
[21:46] <julsha> bouhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!
[21:46] <jhutchins> voicu: Have a verified backup on alternate media.
[21:46] <jhutchins> Evil_`: then no.
[21:46] <julsha> on va pas s'en sortir
[21:47] <jhutchins> !br | julsha
[21:47] <ubotu> julsha: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[21:47] <voicu> jhutchins: a backup isn't possible... it's too big
[21:47] <jhutchins> voicu: External hard drive.
[21:47] <voicu> i could go on windows and use partition magic but i want to know how to do it in kubuntu
[21:47] <jhutchins> voicu: You can never be completely sure you won't loose data if you mess with partitions.
[21:47] <ubuntu> hello, I downloaded this live dvd from my isp and it said it's ubuntu but it installed kde automatically from wubi, any idea how I can get it to run ubuntu-desktop? I've tried sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and it almost completed but half way through unpackaging it gave me no space errors.
[21:48] <novizio> I open it, but inside there are about 300 files, but nothing with the extension like a driver...
[21:48] <jhutchins> voicu: qtparted is as reliable as partition magic.
[21:48] <jhutchins> novizio: look for README or INSTALL.
[21:48] <voicu> jhutchins: can't i defragment an ext3 or something? put all the data at one end?
[21:48] <jhutchins> voicu: ext2/3 doesn't usually fragment.
[21:49] <voicu> jhutchins: soo... i can assume the data is already at the beggining and all the free space at the end?
[21:49] <jhutchins> voicu: Let's say yes.
[21:49] <snikker> how can i fix this error: "ar: lib/lib.a: No such file or directory" ? i've got lib.a in my kernel-lib directory...
[21:50] <jhutchins> voicu: If not, qtparted is going to move it anyway.
[21:50] <jhutchins> snikker: context?
[21:50] <snikker> jhutchins: kernel recompile...
[21:50] <jhutchins> snikker: Which step?
[21:50] <voicu> jhutchins: aha, i'll try qtparted then
[21:50] <jhutchins> snikker: What guide are you following?
[21:51] <snikker> jhutchins: make bzImage
[21:51] <jhutchins> voicu: Just be aware that there is always a risk, even with partition magic.
[21:51] <nicknotpwned> what are the odds newbuntu is registered? lol
[21:52] <voicu> jhutchins, well yeah, i know
[21:52] <voicu> jhutchins: could i save the file table or something? is it in a particular place?
[21:52] <jhutchins> snikker: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[21:52] <voicu> maybe dd if=/dev/sda3 of=backup count=10000?
[21:52] <nicknotpwned> am I in the right channel to get help on this installing ubuntu from kubuntu wubi problem?
[21:53] <biovore> nicknotpwned: you boot into kubuntu..  and do apt-get install ubuntu-desktop..
[21:53] <novizio> jhutchins, this is my command in the shell 'rpm -i --nodeps pipslite-cups-1.0.1-1.i386.rpm' and this the 'error.. rpm -i --nodeps pipslite-cups-1.0.1-1.i386.rpm' can u help me?
[21:54] <biovore> novizio: we don't use rpm's in this distro..  try alien
[21:54] <nicknotpwned> biovore: yes. I did that. But half-way through unpackaging it gave me errors that there was no space left. But I've only used about 8% of my 5gb virtual fs.
[21:55] <snikker> jhutchins: i'm in a uclibc chroot, and i can't compile in ubuntu-way, i must use the classic way ()make menu config, make dep, ecc.)...
[21:55] <biovore> hmm.. probably out of disk space.. if its only 5GB..  kubuntu and gnome at the same time takes some space.. 3 -> 4 GB with all the apps it installs with them..
[21:55] <nicknotpwned> o
[21:56] <nicknotpwned> any idea how I can find out how much this wubi kubuntu is using?
[21:56] <jhutchins> voicu: The option to dump the partition table to a file is missing from the current gnu fdisk, but may be available in parted, gparted, or qtparted.
[21:56] <biovore> I think you can grow the virtual filesystem in windows with the wubi installer I think..
[21:56] <biovore> nicknotpwned: boot into linux and type "df -h"
[21:57] <jhutchins> novizio: You would need to use alien to transform the rpm to a deb file, or you can look for a deb file directly.
[21:57] <jhutchins> novizio: you would need to aptitude install alien first, since it's not included by default.
[21:57] <nicknotpwned> biovore: it says there are 8 fs, one of them is the live dvd.
[21:57] <jhutchins> !info alien
[21:57] <ubotu> alien: install non-native packages with dpkg. In component main, is optional. Version 8.68 (gutsy), package size 101 kB, installed size 276 kB
[21:58] <jhutchins> nicknotpwned: df? df -h? fdisk -l?
[21:58] <nicknotpwned> biovore: if I add them all up it's using about 17mb which doesn't sound right.
[21:58] <novizio> jhutchins, how can i do to install alien?
[21:59] <stansmith> hello
[21:59] <jhutchins> novizio: aptitude install alien
[21:59] <stansmith> can anyone point me to a great reference on microcontrollers using C ?
[21:59] <biovore> stansmith: Depends on the microcontoller
[22:00] <novizio> jhutchins: can u tell me what have to do for became root?
[22:00] <jhutchins> !sudo | novizio
[22:00] <ubotu> novizio: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[22:00] <jhutchins> !kdesu | novizio
[22:00] <ubotu> novizio: In KDE, use « kdesudo <program> » (Gutsy) or « kdesu <program> » (Feisty and earlier) to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[22:00] <lovre> hi ppl.
[22:00] <stansmith> biovore: i have seen the word "PIC" thrown around, im guessing this is the type of MC i want
[22:01] <lovre> Im trying to play a game under wine, but its not working very well. Is there any other game-oriented emulator (free)?
[22:01] <nicknotpwned> is there a channel for pasting stuff?
[22:01] <biovore> well pic is a simple 8bit microcontroller from www.microchip.com
[22:01] <jhutchins> !paste | nicknotpwned
[22:01] <ubotu> nicknotpwned: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[22:01] <biovore> !piklab
[22:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about piklab - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:01] <row> Hey what do I need to add to /etc/apt/sources to get stuff like mysql-server?
[22:01] <casey|> stansmith: "position independent code"
[22:02] <snikker> lovre: you can try cedega, but i don't know if it's free
[22:02] <casey|> :P
[22:02] <lovre> snikker: its not free as i can see
[22:02] <lovre> snikker: :(
[22:03] <nicknotpwned> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45627/
[22:03] <stansmith> i went to radio shack today, and the only microcontroller set they had used some language called "BASIC stamp"...id rather learn it in C..something i can actually use
[22:03] <snikker> lovre: sorry, i don't know another one :(
[22:03] <novizio> Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? :(
[22:03] <biovore> stansmith: "Pic MicroController, An Introduction to Software & Hardware" By Huang  (ISBN 140183967-3) Is a decent book... I learned HC11 and HCS12 before PIC..
[22:03] <stansmith> k, thanks biovore, i just need a push in the right direction
[22:03] <jhutchins> !sources | row
[22:03] <ubotu> row: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[22:03] <biovore> stansmith: Basic Stamps are cool.. I got 2 here..  They actauly use a pic micro with propritary basic interpiter running on it..
[22:04] <lovre> snikker: ok, thank you
[22:04] <jhutchins> novizio: in response to what command?
[22:04] <novizio> !sudo aptitude install alien
[22:04] <ardchoille> row: Are you on Gutsy?
[22:04] <jhutchins> novizio: We will often forget to mention that you need to use sudo in front of apt-get or aptitude.
[22:05] <jhutchins> !aptfix | novizio
[22:05] <ubotu> novizio: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[22:05] <jhutchins> novizio: but first make sure any GUI tools are closed.
[22:05] <row> ardchoille: yeah just switched to non default mirror and it has it.
[22:05] <row> odd
[22:05] <nicknotpwned> biovore: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45627/ is what I get when I do df -h. It doesn't look very informative, so I don't know whether I've filled up the wubi.
[22:05] <row> positive internet mirror is sloooowww
[22:05] <ardchoille> row: All the official sources should be enabled.
[22:05] <jhutchins> nicknotpwned: wtf is a wubi?
[22:05] <ardchoille> !lamp | row
[22:05] <ubotu> row: LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[22:06] <row> ardchoille: I know what it all is, I am just moving from debian as this is a desktop with some other stuff just wondered why it was not found by default anyway, works now so no biggy
[22:06] <nicknotpwned> jhutchins: ubuntu install from windows using a file that is a virtual ext3 with a boot option
[22:06] <row> need to find a faster mirror though, this is pants :P
[22:06] <ardchoille> Ok
[22:07] <nicknotpwned> jhutchins: http://wubi-installer.org/
[22:07] <jhutchins> nicknotpwned: what was your question?
[22:07] <jhutchins> df is only going to show things that are mounted in the live filesystem.
[22:08] <nicknotpwned> jhutchins: I'm trying to sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop, but half way through unpackaging it's saying I'm out of space.
[22:08] <novizio>   jhutchins: i'm not sure that i understand.. is there a place where can speak italian?
[22:08] <jhutchins> nicknotpwned: You're running on something like a live CD filesystem, you can't install a whole alternate desktop on it.
[22:08] <jhutchins> nicknotpwned: You're still running within windows!
[22:09] <novizio> exit
[22:09] <jhutchins> nicknotpwned: If you want to do that, do an install-to-disk (which is what I thoguht that tool was for), boot to the install, then add stuff.
[22:09] <jhutchins> !it | nicknotpwned
[22:09] <ubotu> nicknotpwned: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[22:10] <jhutchins> nicknotpwned: Not going to have as many people, but you may get lucky.
[22:10] <jhutchins> whoops.
[22:10] <jhutchins> !it | novizio:
[22:10] <ubotu> novizio:: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[22:10] <jhutchins> nicknotpwned: sorry, wrong nic there.
[22:11] <novizio> TNX
[22:11] <novizio> bye
[22:11] <nicknotpwned> jhutchins: I'm not running kubuntu on top of windows. There was a boot screen the moment I turned my computer on to select either ubuntu-linux or Windows XP Home.
[22:12] <simion314> hi all, can i improve my kubuntu boot time/speed?, it takes 3-4 times more time to start then windows, can i stop some checkings?
[22:15] <jhutchins> nicknotpwned: You're not running a standard installation of linux.  It looks like a live CD.
[22:16] <jhutchins> Pasting 4 lines against the rules here:
[22:16] <jhutchins> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[22:16] <jhutchins> /dev/hda3              68G   44G   22G  68% /
[22:16] <jhutchins> /dev/hda2             4.8G  3.8G  1.1G  78% /windows
[22:16] <jhutchins> none                  252M  8.0K  252M   1% /tmp
[22:18] <nicknotpwned> I don't need a cd to boot though
[22:18] <jhutchins> That's what a linux system should look like from df -h.
[22:18] <nicknotpwned> and I can save files in kubuntu
[22:18] <jhutchins> Your installer has probably installed linux as a file on your windows system like an iso, and is mounting it like a CD.
[22:18] <nicknotpwned> yes
[22:19] <master3000> #kubuntu-de
[22:19] <nicknotpwned> except I don't think windows is mounting it, I think wubi convinces linux that it is a real hardrive
[22:19] <jhutchins> nicknotpwned: Essentially.
[22:20] <nicknotpwned> that's what I gather from their faq
[22:20] <nicknotpwned> jhutchins: so, any idea how I can know how much of the virtual drive I've used and how much free space there is left?
[22:20] <jhutchins> nicknotpwned: it looks like what you end up with a 500M drive.
[22:21] <nicknotpwned> 500mb left?
[22:21] <jhutchins> nicknotpwned: If you just want to play with gnome, I'd go with the ubuntu live CD.
[22:21] <jhutchins> nicknotpwned: 500MB total.
[22:21] <nicknotpwned> lol
[22:21] <nicknotpwned> jhutchins: can you run ubuntu live from the dvd?
[22:21] <jhutchins> nicknotpwned: You should see a / and there should be /home/<user> directories.
[22:22] <jhutchins> nicknotpwned: I believe so, I'm still pretty much in CD land.
[22:22] <jhutchins> nicknotpwned: As far as I know, though, you can't run from the CD and save files and settings automatically, so you can't like boot the kubuntu CD and install gnome.
[22:23]  * lavacano201014 plays Tremulous [/ame]
[22:23] <nicknotpwned> jhutchins: kubuntu fits on a 500mb drive?
[22:23] <casey|> ubuntu makes me want to flush my head down a toilet sometimes
[22:23] <jhutchins> knoppix has an option to save your files and settings to a windows partition, but you still don't go doing major installations on it.
[22:23] <nicknotpwned> I might put it on my old notebook
[22:23] <jhutchins> nicknotpwned: Probably not, that's probably a RAM file for "scratch" space.  It's usually 2-5GB.
[22:24] <nicknotpwned> jhutchins: oh
[22:25] <jhutchins> nicknotpwned: For older systems you might try dsl or puppy linux.
[22:26] <casey|> jhutchins: are those any more performant or just take less space?
[22:26] <nicknotpwned> jhutchins: the dvd comes with both ubuntu and kubuntu doesn't it?
[22:29]  * casey| insert head into toilet
[22:29]  * casey| flushes
[22:30] <RogueJediX> Not the patient type, was he?
[22:30] <nicknotpwned> ok I'm going to play around with this, thank you for the help :)
[22:31] <nicknotpwned> I'll be back later
[22:32] <jhutchins> Casey: they're simpler.
[22:33] <RogueJediX> jhutchins: He's gone
[22:33] <jhutchins> Hm.  Unoriginal nick too.
[22:34] <RogueJediX> Is there a way to shutdown a windows computer remotely from linux?
[22:35] <RogueJediX> Ack, sorry, wrong channel
[22:35] <jhutchins> RogueJediX: Yes.
[22:36] <RogueJediX> jhutchins: Do tell. My mom keeps forgetting to turn it off at night
[22:36] <jhutchins> try net shutdown
[22:36] <jhutchins> RogueJediX: I believe that most of the microsoft 'net' commands work from samaba now.
[22:37] <jhutchins> RogueJediX: rdesktop will connect with an XP box.
[22:37] <leo_rockw> RogueJediX: yeah, using krdc is a good idea
[22:37] <RogueJediX> Cool. So all I have to do is enable rdc at her computer?
[22:38] <jhutchins> RogueJediX: Yep.
[22:38] <RogueJediX> Great, thanks!
[22:38] <jhutchins> rdesktop -0 <computer> connects to the current session, plain rdesktop gives you a new session.
[22:41] <jhutchins> I like rdesktop better.  It just works for me.
[22:42] <MetaMorfoziS> Is there anybdy knows a good pcb editor, that supports the auto ordering of the components?
[22:43] <MetaMorfoziS> with auto routing?
[22:47] <Qrawl> !kde4
[22:47] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. RC 1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc1.php
[22:48] <TimS> On 7.10 how do I change the boot splash screen, is there a gui for it?
[22:48] <TimS> !bootsplash
[22:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bootsplash - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:58] <funcrush> what's the problem of this error? http://funcrush.tistory.com/77
[23:00] <jpatrick> funcrush: try with g++...
[23:01] <MurielGodoi_> Hi all, How can I convert a video file to amv format?
[23:05] <Arv3n> Hello.
[23:05] <Arv3n> How do I compile KDE 4 from SVN on Kubuntu Feisty?
[23:05] <Arv3n> I've installed all the dependencies and things I need, now I just need to do the SVN part.
[23:06] <biovore> is on kde's site
[23:06] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: Have you read the guide on techbase?
[23:06] <Arv3n> no.
[23:07] <Arv3n> http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4?
[23:07] <Arv3n> Which part do I do? I've done the installing required programs part, now do I just skip to kdebase?
[23:07] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: Beat me to it - yes, that's the one :)
[23:07] <biovore> Arv3n: Thats it..
[23:08] <Arv3n> No.
[23:08] <biovore> Yes..
[23:08] <Arv3n> I just installed the required software to actually do the SVN part.
[23:08] <Arv3n> not actual kde4 itself.
[23:08] <biovore> read some more..
[23:08] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: Probably skip to "Create a user account for KDE4 development"
[23:08] <Arv3n> im just wondering, its kind of confusing.
[23:08] <Arv3n> no, im using the same user.
[23:08] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: Just start at the top and work down, really.
[23:08] <biovore> it say how to check the code out..  create a development user and then build the code..
[23:09] <JackWinter> hiya, how do i see how many threads an application is using ?
[23:09] <Arv3n> do i need to build ALL that?
[23:09] <Arv3n> or can i just do kdebase?
[23:09] <biovore> just have to weed though some of the crap that ins there..
[23:09] <biovore> that just does kdebase I think..
[23:09] <Arv3n> isnt that all i need? -_-
[23:10] <JackWinter> & is there a way to see how much cpu each thread is using?
[23:10] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: You'll need cmake, dbus (might both be in your repositories), qt, kdesupprt, kdelibs, kdepimlibs (at least)
[23:10] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: KDE is pretty big :)
[23:11] <Arv3n> im using linspire, lol.
[23:11] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: Hehe
[23:11] <Arv3n> some guy on the #suse channel said it took an hour to install. is that REALLY all it takes?
[23:12] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: Depends on what you compile.  I would say more than that, though, depending on the speed of your CPU.
[23:12] <Arv3n> pentium 4 1.6ghz o_o
[23:12] <Arv3n> will it take 8 hours?
[23:12] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: Aaargh
[23:12] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: If you only want up to kdebase, I would think less than 8 hours.
[23:13] <Arv3n> -_-
[23:13] <Arv3n> i was under the impression it would take an hour, lol.
[23:13] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: I generally build almost the entirety of KDE every day, so I can't really give an estimate :/
[23:13] <Arv3n> ic.
[23:13] <Arv3n> well, is there an svn repo?
[23:13] <Arv3n> i mean, like for apt-get
[23:14] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: If you don't mind using it in a VM, then there's my project ("KDE4Daily")
[23:14] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: http://dot.kde.org/1195829316/
[23:14] <Arv3n> hey, are you that guy on the ubuntu forums that keeps advertising that?
[23:14] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: Yep :)
[23:14] <Arv3n> nice.
[23:15] <Arv3n> pleased to meet you.
[23:15] <lovre> is it just me, or doesnt animation work on skype icons on linux?
[23:15] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: Likewise - what's your forum name?
[23:15] <Arv3n> its not important, no one knows me. xD
[23:15] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: Hehe :)
[23:15] <Arv3n> i usually visit hte freespire forums, and other smaller ones.
[23:15] <Arv3n> i just lurk in bigger forums.
[23:15] <scrubb2000> Has anyone tried to get side-scrolling to work on a mouse?
[23:15] <Arv3n> and this is perfect, because i have vmware workstation installed.
[23:17] <Arv3n> ew, torrent.
[23:17] <Arv3n> is the torrent very fast?
[23:17] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: There's over 350 people on it, so it should be OK, I think.
[23:17] <Arv3n> well, i have a 160kb/s internet connection.
[23:17] <Arv3n> so..
[23:17] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: Nobody has tested it with VMWare, yet, so if you'd like to be a guinea-pig ... :)
[23:18] <Arv3n> sounds good to me, do you have msn?
[23:18] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: If you read the comments in the Dot article, there's instructions for creating a vmdk image that I think VMWare uses.
[23:18] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: Yep, but I'm about to go to bed :/
[23:18] <Arv3n> well i mean i could use qemu or something.
[23:18] <Arv3n> where do you live? europe?
[23:18] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: Yep - UK
[23:18] <Arv3n> nice.
[23:19] <scrubb2000> Can someone help me set up my mouse's button mappings?
[23:19] <Arv3n> *whistles old spice song*
[23:19] <Arv3n> ok im getting semidecent speeds, it should be finished tonight.
[23:20] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: Cool :)
[23:20] <Arv3n> dude, why cant bit torrent just have stable speeds.
[23:20] <Arv3n> it was at 100kb/s then it keeps going down to 3kb/s.
[23:20] <neville> -_-v
[23:20] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: Dunno - getting this thing seeded has been a real chore.
[23:20] <Arv3n> well, my upload speed = download speed, so ill keep it on all night and stuff.
[23:21] <scrubb2000> Hello?
[23:21] <Arv3n> im uploading more than im downloading right now, so shmeh.
[23:21] <Arv3n> hello scrubb2000
[23:21] <SSJ_GZ> Arv3n: Thanks:)
[23:21] <awag> whats up people
[23:21] <Arv3n> np.
[23:21] <Arv3n> kde4 = win
[23:21] <awag> you using the beta?
[23:21] <Arv3n> and the only thing it can do now is keep getting better.
[23:22] <Arv3n> beta? rc is out now. lol
[23:22] <awag> oh real?
[23:22] <Arv3n> yeah
[23:22] <Arv3n> been out for a few days.
[23:22] <Arv3n> 3 days
[23:22] <biovore> rc is still beta..
[23:22] <Arv3n> technically its not.
[23:22] <scrubb2000> Anyone handy with mouse configuration in here?
[23:22] <biovore> its pre-release..
[23:22] <Arv3n> ?
[23:22] <Arv3n> i dont understand.
[23:22] <biovore> rc --> Release Canidate,
[23:22] <beroualm> !fr haku
[23:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fr haku - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:23] <beroualm> erf
[23:23] <biovore> Not an actual release..
[23:23] <Arv3n> yeah, i know.
[23:23] <abyssion> !fr abyssion
[23:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fr abyssion - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:23] <Arv3n> rc =/= beta
[23:23] <JohnFlux_> Hey all
[23:23] <JohnFlux_> I used to have an nvidia card, so I've got all the nvidia-glx  stuff installed.  but now i have an intel card
[23:24] <JohnFlux_> what package to I install for glx for intel?
[23:24] <awag> someone left 4 unopened linksys network cards laying at the bottom of the stairs to my apartments
[23:24]  * awag now owns them
[23:24] <Arv3n> lol
[23:24] <Arv3n> lucky.
[23:24] <JohnFlux_> apt-cache search glx  mentions intel and ati, but nothing about intel
[23:25] <_dac_> .join #ubuntu
[23:25] <CHICKEN_HEAD> Hey folks...anyone know what the deal is with /dev/mapper after upgrading?
[23:27] <Dr_willis> CHICKEN_HEAD,  you are the first ive heard mention anything about /dev/mapper
[23:28] <Dr_willis> You may want to check the forums.  im not even sure what /dev/mapper is :)
[23:28] <CHICKEN_HEAD> Well, before upgrading I had /dev/sdc1 -> /usr/local.  After upgrading, /dev/sdc1 no longer works...only /dev/mapper/sdc1 works.
[23:28] <scrubb2000> So I'm guessing nobody can help me because everyone's just ignoring my requests?
[23:29] <Dr_willis> scrubb2000,  its always good to be very clear and concise..
[23:29] <CHICKEN_HEAD> And I see now that my cdrom devices are only accessible via /dev/sr0 and /dev/sr1.
[23:29] <Dr_willis> CHICKEN_HEAD,  a lot of ide decices are now 'moved' to scsi type names. as part of some kernel improvements.
[23:30] <Dr_willis> Ive never noticed /dev/sr# befor.    Thats interesting.
[23:30] <scrubb2000> dr_willis, I have an M$ wireless laser mouse 5000.  It has a four-way mouse wheel (up,down, left, right) and I'd like to get it working in Kubuntu Gutsy
[23:30] <CHICKEN_HEAD> Ah...that would explain a lot.  Both CDROM devices are IDE>
[23:31] <Dr_willis> scrubb2000,  i do recall some gentoo wiki pages that went into a lot of details on multi-button mice.  I have not personally used them however. Thers proberly some ubuntu wiki pages on it also. You will proberly need to edit the xorg.conf file manually.
[23:32] <Dr_willis> I recall there being a lot of issues with side scrolling on those things. since thats in many ways a very nonstandard feature.
[23:32] <CHICKEN_HEAD> I don't know if anyone here uses XDMCP (logging in remotely to an x-server), but it is completely broken by Xgl being enabled in Gutsy.
[23:32] <scrubb2000> dr_willis, I'm not afraid to do that, and I've found the relevant wiki pages on ubuntu.com, but I don't know how to figure out what signals are sent when I press each button.
[23:32] <scrubb2000> i.e. I can't map what I don't know about.
[23:33] <Dr_willis> scrubb2000, Hmm.. the 'xev' (i think) command comes to mind.
[23:34] <u0742443> hola
[23:34] <u0742443> quien esta hay
[23:36] <scrubb2000> dr_willis, OK, that's a start.
[23:37] <Dr_willis> scrubb2000,  the Gentoo pages on mice are some of the most detailed ive seen. :) may want to check them out.
[23:37] <scrubb2000> dr_willis, where do I find those?
[23:37] <Dr_willis> gentoo.org I think :) i alwyas just google for 'gentoo whatevermouse wiki'
[23:40] <CHICKEN_HEAD> Thx for the info DrW, ciao!
[23:40] <scrubb2000> dr_willis, they have an "advanced mouse howto"  Thanks.
[23:40] <scrubb2000> Let's see if this does the trick.
[23:40] <scrubb2000> How do I check my version of xorg?
[23:40] <Dr_willis> for all your advanced mouseing needs.
[23:41] <Dr_willis> X -version
[23:41] <Dr_willis> for the version of X. :)  normally a program would use --version  also.
[23:41] <Dr_willis> But gotta love people following their own standards. heh.
[23:44] <scrubb2000> How do I check to see if evdev is either built into the kernel or loaded as a module?
[23:44] <Dr_willis> lsmod | grep evdev
[23:44] <Dr_willis> evdev                  11136  6
[23:44] <Dr_willis> I would guess thats a module.
[23:45] <Dr_willis> Not sure if they show up in lsmod if they are in the kernel.
[23:45] <Dr_willis>  /lib/modules/2.6.22-12-386/kernel/drivers/input/evdev.ko
[23:45] <Sanne> Dr_willis:, scrubb2000: also 'modinfo <modulename>' might be interesting for that
[23:46] <scrubb2000> sanne, yup.  It's there.
[23:46] <Dr_willis> description:    Input driver event char devices
[23:46] <Sanne> :)
[23:46] <Dr_willis> isent that Special.. :)
[23:47] <biovore> I havn't been able to get evdev to work on amd64 here.. I am not sure if it does work on AMD 64..
[23:47] <Dr_willis> Its working on my amd64 machines... im NOT using the 64bit disrto.
[23:47] <biovore> I could get it work on 32bit systems..
[23:48] <Sanne> at least it's loaded here on Kubuntu Dapper 64bit
[23:48] <scrubb2000> I wonder why X didn't use evdev instead of mouse as the driver.  Oh well.
[23:50] <scrubb2000> !evdev
[23:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about evdev - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:50] <cuco> stdin: ping
[23:51] <Dr_willis> wowsers.
[23:51] <Dr_willis> Its getting scary when a new windows game takes 30+ min to install...
[23:53] <WaltzingAlong> Dr_willis: expect more or less?
[23:59] <abyssion> help me please
[23:59] <abyssion> i don't speak good english
[23:59] <abyssion> sorry
[23:59] <abyssion> do turn the 3D cube
[23:59] <abyssion> command ?


 We should see how the 16.04 to 18.04 upgrade will go.
 I've tested it with Ubuntu and that went just fine.
[01:38] <valorie> hmmm, I did that with upgrade to 17.04
[01:38] <valorie> unsure how to do it lts>lts since it won't be lts for some months
[01:38] <valorie> how did you test it?
[02:50] <tsimonq2> sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[03:02] <valorie> ok, no diff from my artful upgrade then
[03:02] <tsimonq2> Right.
[03:22] <valorie> tsimonq2: do we test the RC "candidate" like we do the alphas and betas?
[03:22] <valorie> I can't remember
[03:23] <valorie> was going to send an email reminding everyone to expect it
[03:25] <valorie> but on tuesday, or thursday?
[03:27] <tsimonq2> valorie: I don't remember the particulars of this one, sorry.
[03:33] <valorie> ok