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[04:36] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:08] <Bashing-om> can do this no more - G nite \o
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> morning alkisg
[06:36] <alkisg> Good morning lotuspsychje, hi all!
[06:44] <tsimonq2> Yo!
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> hey tsimonq2
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: v7 was crossposting in linux this morning so unsure for his different storys
[07:13] <alkisg> Ah, ty
[07:49] <ducasse> good morning, all
[07:50] <alkisg> Good morning ducasse
[07:51] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[07:52] <ducasse> hi alkisg, lotuspsychje - you guys doing well today?
[07:52] <lotuspsychje> great here
[07:52] <alkisg> After 12 days with 6 kids here, now the real vacations start :D
[07:53] <lotuspsychje> nice1 alkisg
[07:53] <lotuspsychje> work time lol?
[07:54] <alkisg> Relaxing sunday, then work :)
[07:55] <lotuspsychje> same here
[07:59] <ducasse> same plan as me then, do as little as possible? :)
[07:59] <ducasse> ooof, -14°C here :(
[08:00] <lotuspsychje> lol
[08:04]  * lotuspsychje turns up the heat
[11:47] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[14:47] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon
[14:48] <BluesKaj> Hey lotuspsychje
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[14:49] <lotuspsychje> afternoon EriC^^
[14:49] <lotuspsychje> how was the skate session
[14:49] <EriC^^> afternoon lotuspsychje
[14:49] <EriC^^> good
[14:50] <EriC^^> what's up?
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> bionic alpha pushed to future due to meltdown bug : (
[14:51] <EriC^^> ah
[14:51] <EriC^^> is this bug serious, everybody is talking about it
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> should be pretty serious yes
[14:52] <EriC^^> interesting
[14:53] <EriC^^> i guess on shared vps and stuff its important
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> yeah i think alot of server will get targetted
[14:56] <BluesKaj> meltdown bug on bionic ?
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> i think meltdown on all versions right?
[14:57] <EriC^^> yup
[14:57] <EriC^^> our isp finally has a new website
[14:57] <EriC^^> thank god, it was becoming shameful
[14:57] <EriC^^> https://www.ogero.gov.lb/
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: your isp owned by the gov?
[14:59] <EriC^^> yeah
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: neat website
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: better watch what you type then :p
[14:59] <EriC^^> ogero is government owned, it gives internet to other isp's that are private, but it's the same just so it doesn't seem monopolish
[15:00] <EriC^^> lol nah, it's not like that here
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> was joking EriC^^
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: i guess every isp is related to gov no?
[15:01] <EriC^^> have you seen 'winter bones' with jennifer lawrence and robert denero
[15:01] <EriC^^> ?
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> hmm doesnt ring a bell no
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> i watched hacker 2016 yesterday
[15:01] <EriC^^> no in other countries they have private lines
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> was pretty neat, and its based on a true story
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: ah kk
[15:02] <EriC^^> aha
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> i like deniro
[15:03] <EriC^^> yeah he's good
[15:03] <EriC^^> jennifer lawrence is famous for good acting skills too
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> lemme imdb that
[15:03] <EriC^^> already got an oscar
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> 7.2
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> not bad
[15:04] <BluesKaj> actually ISPs should be utilities, like water a sewer Utlities, not like electricity ones which are mostly privtely owned corporations nowadays
[15:04] <EriC^^> i wish they'd release a really cool scifi movie like the matrix
[15:04] <EriC^^> it was mind blowing when it came out, wish something like it hits the movies
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: looks like psychological flick
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> true BluesKaj
[15:06] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: did you see 'the invention of lying'? it's by ricky gervais
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> also not no
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: the matrix was big hit when it came out, wanna get those also
[15:08] <EriC^^> ricky gervais is hilarious
[15:08] <EriC^^> i havent seen the movie either
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> sometimes i feel like im outa good movies lol
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> problem with imdb they rate movies from all time, i dont wanna see one from 1942...
[15:09] <EriC^^> yeah it's been a while something extra wow hit
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> i got a little theory on why they cant make good ones anymore
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> they invent too much digital tricks
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> 80-90 movies didnt had those, and made great movies
[15:10] <EriC^^> lol i didnt see robert deniro in the trailer at all
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> less special effects
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> me neither, maybe he was some neighbour lol
[15:11] <EriC^^> yeah sort of like nintendo
[15:11] <EriC^^> they used to focus more on the game and story and characters and less on effects and stuff
[15:12] <lotuspsychje> true
[15:13] <EriC^^> interstellar was kind of neat
[15:13] <EriC^^> when he falls into the blackhole and he's in the library behind his daughter it's pretty powerful
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: that crazy sound tru the whole movie i liked
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> thats the kind of things they need to do..
[15:14] <EriC^^> yeah the soundtrack is amazing, hans zimmer 'nuff said
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> suspense
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: its like they start a good plot sometimes, and mess up the whole end
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> i dont get that
[15:15] <lotuspsychje> i think they do that on purpose, because we download tor..erm hire dvd's
[15:18] <lotuspsychje> like martial arts EriC^^ ?
[15:18] <EriC^^> yeah it's nice
[15:18] <lotuspsychje> got a nice collection of those aswell
[15:19] <EriC^^> i watched ipman 123
[15:19] <EriC^^> they were good
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> yeah i loved those
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> big trouble in little china
[15:20] <lotuspsychje> american ninja
[15:20] <EriC^^> wow
[15:20] <EriC^^> 1986
[15:20] <lotuspsychje> old stuff :p
[15:21] <EriC^^> tucker that's the guy from 3000 miles to graceland
[15:21] <EriC^^> i mean kurt russell
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[15:21] <EriC^^> have you seen 3000 miles to ...?
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> think so
[15:22] <EriC^^> they rob a casino
[15:23] <EriC^^> wow some movies have iddb in the 2/10 range
[15:23] <EriC^^> 'babes with blades' can't be that bad
[15:24] <EriC^^> i wonder why it's so low
[15:24] <EriC^^> writer cecily fay, directory cecily fay, actor cecily fay
[15:24] <EriC^^> haha
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> imdb is just a reviews of users
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> i would rate some movies 10/10
[15:25] <EriC^^> there's rotten tomatoes too
[15:25] <EriC^^> is imdb people or critics?
[15:26] <EriC^^> omg the babes with blades sucks ass, it's like someone made it in his home
[15:26] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:26] <EriC^^> the knife looks from plastic
[15:26] <lotuspsychje> oh wait i know a good movie
[15:26] <lotuspsychje> now to recall title hmmm
[15:26] <lotuspsychje> its about a serial killer in canada
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: the frozen ground, a must see
[15:28] <EriC^^> there are some movies on this site dunno though
[15:28] <EriC^^> https://123movieshub.to/123movies
[15:29] <EriC^^> there's goodbye christopher robin, dunno its the true story about the guy who invented whinnie the poo, margie robberts (sp?) stars in it the australian girl from the wolf of wallstreet
[15:30] <lotuspsychje> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2005374/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
[15:31] <lotuspsychje> i would rate it 8
[15:31] <EriC^^> john cusack nicholas cage
[15:31] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[15:33] <EriC^^> what's this about? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3521126/
[15:33] <EriC^^> 8/10 imdb
[15:33] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[15:34] <EriC^^> dave franco james franco seth rogen
[15:34] <EriC^^> lol
[15:34] <EriC^^> movie about weed for sure
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> never heard of that
[15:34] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, The Frozeb Ground takes place in Alaska and it's based on a real case.
[15:34] <BluesKaj> Frozen even
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[15:44] <lotuspsychje> i like true based storys BluesKaj
[15:45] <BluesKaj> yeah they're usually more interesting then fictional ones
[15:45] <BluesKaj> than
[15:45] <lotuspsychje> indeed
[15:47] <BluesKaj> we have strange sort opf weird cop show here called Cardinal, based on real cases, or so i've read...it's well done
[15:48] <lotuspsychje> cool
[15:56] <lotuspsychje> blade runner 8.3 imdb oO
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3516-1/ this wasnt on bionic
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> !info firefox bionic
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> ah lenovo news: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/01/ubuntu-17-10-lenovo-fix
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> wb hggdh
[16:36] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: thank you sir
[16:42] <TJ-> !mainline
[16:43] <TJ-> !kernel
[16:43] <TJ-> wakeup, little ubottu, wake up
[16:44] <daftykins> come back, almost all is forgiven! ;D
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> hey daftykins
[16:46] <daftykins> heya \o
[16:52] <lotuspsychje> for the pi fans: http://news.softpedia.com/news/raspberry-pi-devices-aren-t-affected-by-the-meltdown-and-spectre-vulnerabilities-519255.shtml
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> dax: interesting for a trigger? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport !apport
[16:55] <lotuspsychje> !bug
[16:55] <lotuspsychje> hmm nvm !bug mentions enough
[17:02] <alkisg> Hehe, I can't imagine raspberries getting 30% more slower :D
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> lol no
[17:13] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: colortail -f /var/log/syslog on that machine and check what happens at those 30min
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> tezogmix: welcome
[17:58] <tezogmix> thanks lotuspsychje
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> we have alot of volunteers with pi3's here
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> tezogmix: posted earlier: http://news.softpedia.com/news/raspberry-pi-devices-aren-t-affected-by-the-meltdown-and-spectre-vulnerabilities-519255.shtml
[17:59] <tezogmix> that's cool... so yeah, the ubuntu-mate that I flashed onto SD card is running nicely, minus the few steps I had to do with resizing the PI_BOOT on grub via ubuntu lts in that vmware I was running
[17:59] <tezogmix> ah right the cortex chips are different lotuspsychje
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> howso?
[17:59] <daftykins> A57 is vulnerable iirc
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> ah kk
[18:01] <tezogmix> https://developer.arm.com/support/security-update
[18:01] <tezogmix> Pi 1 and Zero (W): ARM11 // Pi 2 V1: ARM Cortex-A7 // Pi 2 V1.2 and Pi 3: ARM Cortex-A53
[18:02] <tezogmix> there were a few ARM variants further below on that link above from ARM for linux-based operations
[18:05] <tezogmix> During the initial upgrade I tried via the application/software manager on ubuntu-mate, it said there was not enough space on the BOOT partition, the microSD was a clean formated 32GB card... Fortunately, I followed this video on youtube since it appears it was a known issue but never was corrected from the latest image files available: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYAnmjT8P-E
[18:06] <tezogmix> afterwards, I've been just following the terminal sudo-apt update/dist upgrades and that's been working ok. One major error that seems to not be fixed is Firefox from version 55+ to Quantum does NOT work, it force-quits error on launch. I had to install firefox ESR and that works..
[18:07] <tezogmix> that's for the PI 3b/ubuntu-mate
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> i see
[18:07] <tezogmix> it's been a long discussion on the forums, initially thought it was a quantum error but community says it's been happening since many firefox standard versions prior
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> tezogmix: what you use your pi for?
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> im always curious
[18:09] <daftykins> developing patience skills must be the main one (:
[18:10] <tezogmix> so in essence, I realize it's a volunteer community but I'm just curious as to its security aspect maintenance - lotuspsychje , oh I just bought this pi3 on a whim while at the local computer shop, I wanted to have a separate standalone OS to do simple web browsing/message boards (not intense video streaming) and something to where I can use without my VPN-IP, though I was able to set up vpn on it if needed.
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> kk
[18:10] <tezogmix> So it's hooked up to a 2.4ghz keyboard/mouse + vga monitor (using an hdmi-vga converter)
[18:11] <daftykins> security? well Canonical employees handle the OS patching that isn't already handled upstream i imagine
[18:11] <daftykins> VGA in 2018 :(
[18:12] <tezogmix> totally new to the ubuntu/linux world, I came across this path (e.g. ubuntu vmware guest over win7 host) to do some openvpn testing/troubleshooting... windows 7 and possibly other higher versions, have a TAP driver limitation... so can't achieve openvpn aes128/sha1 speeds over 100Mbps really. Have an ISP 300/20Mbps...
[18:13] <tezogmix> interestingly, we ruled out the i5 2nd gen not being able to handle it by running a ubuntu LTS 16.x live usb on the same laptop cold booted and setup VPN there, and on the same hardwired/router home setup, it was able to achieve 300Mbps+ via aes128-sha1
[18:13] <daftykins> i wonder if win10 has that issue
[18:14] <tezogmix> so then wanted to try ubuntu within the vmware bridged mode, can get 300/20+mbps vpn-off, however within vpn-on, ~100Mbps again
[18:14] <daftykins> those are very low cipher configs for OpenVPN though i think
[18:14] <daftykins> yeah 'cause it'll still be going through adapter bridging on the host OS
[18:15] <daftykins> which vmware product and version though?
[18:15] <tezogmix> yeah daftykins , from the vpn service I'm using, at least from the ubuntu live usb testing... we were shocked it was able to match the VPN speeds greater than 300Mbps..
[18:15] <tezogmix> I'm using the free version of vmware workstation 14.1 (latest)
[18:15] <daftykins> there isn't a free version
[18:15] <tezogmix> and ubuntu LTS with 2 cores/2gb ram and 20gb
[18:16] <tezogmix> There is a free personal non-commercial version of vmware
[18:16] <daftykins> either that or it just detects whatever speed test you're using and boosts it :D
[18:16] <daftykins> hmm don't think that's ws then
[18:17] <daftykins> currently on their site
[18:17] <tezogmix> it is...https://my.vmware.com/en/web/vmware/free#desktop_end_user_computing/vmware_workstation_player/14_0
[18:18] <tezogmix> vmware workstation player - it has to be updated to 14.1 to be protected from the meltdown patch
[18:18] <daftykins> yeah, player isn't full workstation, knew that :)
[18:18] <tezogmix> https://www.vmware.com/security/advisories/VMSA-2018-0003.html + https://www.vmware.com/security/advisories/VMSA-2018-0002.html >>
[18:18] <daftykins> you're oversharing
[18:18] <tezogmix> ah ok daftykins , sorry for the nomenclature :)
[18:19] <daftykins> also overexplaining
[18:19] <daftykins> so does the throughput really matter?
[18:19] <tezogmix> so back to the ubuntu , now that I have it... kind of cool to have and figured I will keep it to just start using more...
[18:20] <tezogmix> it does for my use cases, ideally would like to achieve ~200Mbps+ on vpn for single large file size transfers to home...
[18:21] <daftykins> 'transfers' :)
[18:21] <tezogmix> I've been ok with 100Mbps but since it appears the ISP/vpn can both handle higher and my hdd can handle a little bit more on the write/read speeds, it would be cool.
[18:22] <daftykins> heh of course an HDD can handle hundreds of megabits
[18:22] <tezogmix> So there I came across pfsense options but before that, apparently, there's some custom firmware for my asus router which might be able to achieve this and allow group policies on assigning certain static IP's to use/not use vpn.
[18:22] <tezogmix> ah my limitation is usb 2.0
[18:22] <tezogmix> and an 8 year old laptop
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> tezogmix: try to build a conversation instead of spam too many details
[18:22] <daftykins> yeah i use the same kind of conditional routing with a pfsense device for a client's holiday home
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> listen/reply is very nice
[18:22] <daftykins> external HDD, blech
[18:24] <tezogmix> most pfsense openvpn discussions I've come across briefly for folks trying to achieve higher thoroughput (e.g. near gigabit vpn), was in the context of grouped gateways to overcome the single thread limitations of openvpn itself and to saturate the connection that way.
[18:24] <tezogmix> ah sorry lotuspsychje - will try better...
[18:25] <daftykins> well, off topic for here... i'd question the use of a VPN if gigabit throughput is desired
[18:26] <tezogmix> how protected are we with the latest news vulnerabilities with running ubuntu lts within the vmware?
[18:27] <tezogmix> provided we're visiting https sites and have our distribution and vmware/host OS updates as best possible...
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> tezogmix: your system up to date is one thing
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> tezogmix: but who can look into the future what exploits to come?
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> tezogmix: perhaps we all affected of something new already?
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> security is complex
[18:29] <tezogmix> that's a good point... up until now, intel has been good with patching things (e.g. AMT/ME) but if they are only going back to updating cpu's from up to 5 years from their intel newsroom announcements, I wonder...
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> so many techniques out there to harm/exploit systems
[18:30] <tezogmix> that's very true lotuspsychje and how vulnerable as a target and what the end user is doing/where they are bridges into more multifactor considerations...
[18:30] <daftykins> you're certainly unlikely to see any BIOS update for a sandybridge CPU i would imagine, but that's assuming any firmware level update is going to appear
[18:31] <tezogmix> so let's say you had a sandybridge CPU daftykins and based on your current uses and news events, how would you proceed on using that machine?
[18:31] <tezogmix> in terms of security mindfulness ^^
[18:32] <daftykins> given i don't wear a tinfoil hat like a lot of freenode users? apply the host OS patches as and when available and carry on living my life, not being consumed by sensational news reporting
[18:36] <tezogmix> ah ok :) I do get your latter comment in that how wild and aggressive this would have to be... most of what we are seeing are proof of concept/work over real-world and broad.
[18:37] <daftykins> continuing to run 7 would be unwise though this year, as MS already put focus on patching 10 sooner than they do 7 now
[18:37] <daftykins> so that's the real security angle for the host part in your scenario
[18:38] <tezogmix> That's true as well daftykins , I've been riding the EOL aspects of that (I believe 2020 but it's inevitable that if I ever plan to use windows OS as a component, I'll have to upgrade) - I'm a medical student and a lot of of our health care related aspects revolve around windows
[18:39] <daftykins> where in the world are you? i've a few doctor friends up in England who get to enjoy the outdated nature of things up there
[18:40] <tezogmix> I'm in the States...
[18:40] <TJ-> We'll all end up running qemu-static-powerpc virtual machines just to prevent the native x86 attacks :p
[18:40] <TJ-> or should that be -mips ?
[18:41] <daftykins> no thanks (:
[18:42] <daftykins> i wonder if these lawsuits on intel will go anywhere
[18:42] <tezogmix> QEMU, interesting you mentioned this T3, I think I saw a discussion that virtualbox software had that implementation feature still (vmware doesn't) -
[18:43] <tezogmix> I'm doubtful on that daftykins , this is decades of utilization without a revelation up until now...
[18:44] <daftykins> did you miss out on getting the free upgrade to 10 from 7? it's allegedly over now
[18:45] <daftykins> i converted my clients licenses before time by taking spare hard disks around and doing the installs just far enough to activate online, then left them on their current setups until we're ready to move them
[18:45] <tezogmix> oh I opted out of that, I had one of those freeware GWX control panels doing its very best at removing every nature of w10 coming through - this was really a personal choice
[18:45] <daftykins> i'm detecting a tinfoil hat there
[18:46] <tezogmix> hehe, not a tinfoil but more so that I didn't want a store front/apps and the like such as cortana on my OS... feels like win7 is the last of its line for that. Fortunately, it does seem a bit better on community driven interventions on minimizing how MS deploys those embedded features... there's also MS10 LTSB
[18:47] <tezogmix> Not that win7 didn't have its things but at least it was much more subtle and in the background
[18:48] <daftykins> the times, they are a-changin'
[18:48] <daftykins> most grips can be avoided, the main benefit is maintaining timely support
[18:51] <tezogmix> and how for example companies/businesses and the like opt to subscribe to that support (e.g. our health care systems have IT support infrastructure at the lowest of its budget expenses and therein a problem)
[18:52] <daftykins> not sure what you mean there, healthcare would be held back on OS versions to retain support of old web apps and/or software
[18:56] <tezogmix> right, I meant we have lots of problems with how the hospitals budget software support (they cancel/don't renew) - then when problems happen, it's a huge mess to fix...
[18:58] <daftykins> ah well, not relevant to an OS really
[19:02] <lotuspsychje> nite nite guys
[19:02] <daftykins> toodles \o
[19:02] <lotuspsychje> cheers daftykins
[19:02] <lotuspsychje> bye all
[21:54] <dax> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/SpectreAndMeltdown got updated
[21:55] <dax> "2018 Jan 07: Candidate kernels are beginning to be made available for testing at ppa:canonical-kernel-team/pti. This initial round will address CVE-2017-5754. A subsequent round will then address CVE-2017-5715 and CVE-2017-5753." --> https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-team/+archive/ubuntu/pti/
[21:57] <dax> (i'm not updating the factoid because they're testing builds, and thus not appropriate for most #ubuntu users)
[21:58] <TJ-> good plan :)
[21:59] <TJ-> ouch!! using add-apt-repository got "gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found."
[23:31] <dax> page got updated again
[23:31] <dax> "This initial round will address CVE-2017-5754 (aka Meltdown or Variant 3) for x86_64. We will address CVE-2017-5715 and CVE-2017-5753 (aka Spectre or Variant 1 & 2) in a subsequent round. We will also address additional architectures in subsequent rounds."
[23:31] <dax> so that explains kirtland's blog post too :)
[23:32] <dax> kirkland*
[23:33] <dax> i have a feeling that come kernel patch release day i'm going to need to split into !meltdown and !spectre just to avoid the factoid length limit -_-
[23:41] <TJ-> and !spectre-variant1, 2 3 :)
[23:45] <JanC> there are infinite Spectre variants


[02:04] <imgbot> [03:39] <imgbot> [03:39] <imgbot> [07:13] <brendand> sil2100, hey i saw on the landing email you mentioned mako might be better than krillin
[07:13] <brendand> sil2100, who told you that :) ?
[07:13] <brendand> sil2100, wasn't me :)
[07:15] <jibel> With krillin build #8, I cannot unlock my SIM card, is it known?
[07:20] <tsdgeos> is jenkins qa down?
[07:20] <tsdgeos> i can't reach http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-click-autopilot-runner-mako/444 for example
[07:24] <brendand> ralsina, sergiusens_ i'm picking up silo 10 for testing
[07:31] <sil2100> brendand: I don't remember exactly, but I remember someone mentioning that mako quality is ok a bit earlier
[07:31] <sil2100> brendand: you are not comparing to mako anymore so I didn't even remotely think to ask you ;)
[07:34] <ogra_> sil2100, http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/rtm/
[07:34] <jibel> sil2100, bug 1363855, need someone to confirm. The same happened on mako last week. Something must have slipped in.
[07:34] <sil2100> ogra_: \o/
[07:35] <ogra_> jibel, on current krillin i always need to unlock it twice
[07:35] <jibel> ogra_, since when?
[07:36] <ogra_> dunno ... perhaps friday, prehaps thu.
[07:36] <ogra_> http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/rtm/7.changes
[07:36] <ogra_> i guess since ofono changed :)
[07:36] <jibel> ogra_, on second unlock the UI freezes completely
[07:37] <jibel> at least it's unlocked but I cannot use the phone
[07:37] <ogra_> tap the X in the bottom left ;)
[07:37] <brendand> sil2100, we were asked to test mako for promotion so i tested it
[07:37]  * ogra_ got trapped by that too initially
[07:37] <jibel> ogra_, ah, so obvious :)
[07:38] <ogra_> lol
[07:38] <brendand> jibel, they'll tell you that's the way it's designed
[07:38] <jibel> I'll retitle the bug report unless there is already one.
[07:38] <ogra_> i didnt file bugs on the weekend
[07:38] <ogra_> so not from me
[08:07] <camako> sil2100, Mir 0.7.0 testing is now completed.. Could we publish please?
[08:08] <camako> cihelp ^
[08:09] <camako> It's on silo 1 (ubuntu)
[08:09] <sil2100> camako: hey! Let's do that, do you want it for ubuntu-rtm as well?
[08:09] <sil2100> I suppose so
[08:10] <camako> sil2100, not yet
[08:11] <sil2100> camako: ok, so you don't want an RTM silo yet, yes?
[08:11] <sil2100> camako: I'll publish Mir after the morning meeting, need to check up with everyone the current status
[08:11] <camako> sil2100, oh sorry, I want the silo.. just don't want it published yet
[08:11] <camako> :-)
[08:12] <camako> sil2100, ok sounds good ... I'm abt to go to bed... I'll check in the morning... Do I need to request the silo through the sheet or will you assign one without it?
[08:19] <sil2100> camako: I will handle everything :)
[08:20] <sil2100> camako: have a good night!
[08:21] <ogra_> sigh, that pink terminal is annoying
[08:21] <camako> sil2100, thanks
[08:27] <Mirv> nice that mir is now ready at least for utopic, hopefully rtm retesting will go fine too
[08:45] <brendand> sil2100, a potential blocker: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mediaplayer-app/+bug/1363653
[08:51] <popey> Mirv: when you get a moment could you please push http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/reminders-app-click/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/out/com.ubuntu.reminders_0.5.232_armhf.click to the store?
[08:55] <brendand> popey, did filemanager break?
[08:56] <brendand> popey, i can't open videos from it anymore
[08:57] <jibel> brendand, works fine on krillin#9
[08:57] <jibel> with an mp4 recorded with the camera
[08:58] <brendand> jibel, ok good to know
[09:00] <popey> brendand: will test
[09:00] <brendand> popey, might just need a reboot
[09:00] <popey> wfm on krillin
[09:02] <popey> brendand: your videos at http://people.canonical.com/~brendan-donegan/test_videos/ wont download - 2014-09-01 10:02:17 ERROR 403: Forbidden.
[09:05] <brendand> popey, might be the webm one
[09:05] <brendand> popey, i had issues with that
[09:06] <brendand> popey, hmm no - they're all forbidden. weird
[09:07] <popey> chmod 777 them ㋛
[09:09] <brendand> that's betah
[09:10] <Mirv> popey: done
[09:10] <popey> thanks Mirv
[09:11] <jibel> brendand, on krillon I can play flv, mov, mp4. mkv and divx crash media-hub, I cannot preview any video in the scope, mediascanner crashes
[09:11] <jibel> *krillin
[09:11] <popey> ogra_: wanna confirm bug 1363902
[09:12] <sil2100> davmor2: did you find the no-mouse bug already?
[09:13] <davmor2> sil2100: I'm just working through the list now that will be on it
[09:14] <thostr_> sil2100: added line 46
[09:14] <thostr_> sil2100: according to lool's mail we also need to sync https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/location-service/espoo-provider/+merge/231523 to rtm... what's the proper syntax for this in the ci sheet
[09:14] <brendand> jibel, you can play MOV? from the iphone?
[09:15] <jibel> brendand, I can play MOV, but only from krillin, haven't tested on iphone ;)
[09:15] <brendand> jibel, i mean the video comes from the iphone camera, not some other source?
[09:16] <brendand> jibel, i can play .MOV but have no video, just audio
[09:17] <ogra_> popey, done
[09:17] <jibel> brendand, it plays with video and audio
[09:18] <brendand> jibel, well i have been testing on mako - i'll look on krillin now
[09:21] <popey> thanks ogra_
[09:23] <lool> would someone have the link to the new package/source tree checklist?
[09:24] <davmor2> sil2100: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1295623
[09:25] <davmor2> sil2100: looks like it was ogra_ that reported it so it might of been ogra_ rather than ricardo that pointed it out maybe :)
[09:26] <ogra_> davmor2, nope, i didnt ... but Saviq is always fast throwing that bug in on input issues :)
[09:29] <sil2100> thostr_: one moment, I'll help you in a moment
[09:32] <Saviq> ogra_, yeah, we even have a fix (or plural, really - one for Qt that's being debated and one for qtmir that's under review)
[09:32] <sil2100> davmor2: thanks!
[09:32] <ogra_> :)
[09:34] <sil2100> thostr_: ok, let me first check if it indeed requires syncing still
[09:36] <thostr_> sil2100: ok
[09:39] <sil2100> thostr_: ok, a sync is needed, but a silo for that is ready with packages built already
[09:39] <sil2100> thostr_: silo 006 for ubuntu-rtm
[09:46] <thostr_> sil2100: mhhh, could we merge that over so that tester don't have to install two ppas?
[09:47] <sil2100> thostr_: makes sense
[09:47] <thostr_> great
[09:47] <sil2100> thostr_: I'll get everything prepared in a moment, just need to fix one bug in CI Train ;)
[09:47] <thostr_> sil2100: ok. I'll quickly have lunch... afterwards we should have the indicator mp
[09:56] <asac> sil2100: davmor2: you guys are ready to have the bug call?
[09:56] <asac> if we need to delay, this is last moment :)
[09:56] <davmor2> asac: yeap in a call but they are aware we need to disappear
[09:57] <asac> davmor2: ok cool. if you have the data to look at then we are set :)
[09:57] <asac> talk in 5
[09:58] <sil2100> o/
[10:03] <tvoss> sil2100, ping
[10:04] <sil2100> tvoss: hey! Trying to resolve it, but now in a meeting agin
[10:04] <tvoss> sil2100, thanks
[10:10] <ogra_> grrr
[10:21] <brendand> sil2100, asac - so you want me to track back through the RTM mako images and find where it got in?
[10:22] <asac> brendand: yes for our blockers that what we need to do to find owners
[10:23] <asac> as step 1... sil will take on from there
[10:32] <sil2100> brendand: did you have a moment to check the ofono revert? :)
[10:33] <brendand> sil2100, i tried but it still seems to be broken after reverting
[10:33] <sil2100> tvoss: all is fine now, right?
[10:33] <sil2100> brendand: oh, hmmm
[10:34] <sil2100> brendand: really? Damn, then it had to be broken already in some earlier images
[10:34] <sil2100> ogra_, jibel: when did you guys notice the SIM-pin unlock bug?
[10:35] <brendand> sil2100, i'm not sure i did it right
[10:35] <tvoss> sil2100, looks good
[10:35] <brendand> sil2100, i just downgraded ofono
[10:35] <sil2100> brendand: let me prepare links to the packages and you'll compare if you got the right ones
[10:36] <sil2100> brendand: did you downgrade to 1.12.bzr6872+14.10.20140804-0ubuntu1 ?
[10:37] <brendand> i'll check
[10:39] <sil2100> ogra_: hey! You want to +1 a packaging change for a main package maybe? ( ;) ) it's mir! https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-001-2-publish/10/artifact/packaging_changes_mir_0.7.0+14.10.20140829-0ubuntu1.diff/*view*/
[10:39] <jibel> sil2100, bug 1363413 ?
[10:40] <sil2100> jibel: ah, I see you mention there #6 works
[10:40] <sil2100> So brendand probably didn't quite revert
[10:41] <sil2100> brendand: you can use those files: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8205083/
[10:51] <brendand> sil2100, yes revert just that package works
[10:51] <sil2100> brendand: ok, let me revert then
[10:51] <sil2100> brendand: btw. is that a bug in utopic as well?
[10:52] <brendand> sil2100, i have #9 which was the promotion candidate
[10:52] <brendand> sil2100, it must be, right?
[10:52] <brendand> sil2100, we haven't checked though - want to?
[10:52] <sil2100> Mirv: I'm doing some changes in synces right now, don't be mad in case something is b0rken ;)
[10:53] <Mirv> sil2100: ok, I'll just casually blame you then :)
[10:53] <sil2100> brendand: ok, not needed - I see someone mentioned it's the same for utopic
[10:53] <sil2100> So I revert on both
[10:53] <sil2100> But first I'll just jump out to the vet quick ;/
[10:59] <ogra_> sil2100, so i have a messed up publication (the MPs were not top approved ... they are now though) ... do i just hit publish again now that they are fixed or does that need any special action on my side ?
[11:02] <Mirv> ogra_: publish again, not other actions needed
[11:02] <ogra_> Mirv, thanks ... just wanted to make sure i dont mess up even more :)
[11:04] <Mirv> looking good
[11:04] <ogra_> :)
[11:22] <Saviq> tsdgeos, here
[11:22] <Saviq> cihelp, http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/ seems down
[11:22] <Saviq> resulting in all jobs failing due to broken publishing
[11:27] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i complained about that here 4 hours ago, got no attention
[11:27] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ok, let me escalate
[11:27] <tsdgeos> it is also true that i failed to mention the vanguard
[11:27] <Saviq> Ursinha, any idea why jenkins.qa is down?
[11:28] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, that usually helps...
[11:34] <asac> brendand: your MOV movie from the bug is kinda bogus
[11:34] <asac> brendand: even makes totem hang after 1sec
[11:34] <asac> s i have to force quit it
[11:35] <asac> brendand: have you tried the .mov here: http://samplemedia.linaro.org/H264/ ?
[11:43] <popey> asac: the video is 1 second long
[11:58] <lool> sil2100: hey, you around? would you have the link to the latest checklist for module additions?
[11:59] <ogra_> building nothing ?
[11:59] <ogra_> :)
[12:02] <Mirv> at the moment that's all the sync silos say..
[12:02] <ogra_> ah
[12:02] <Mirv> but the Mir is now building there
[12:03] <Mirv> and that "built" means in this case only that the packages were uploaded to the PPA
[12:03] <ogra_> right
[12:14] <ogra_> yippie
[12:16] <brendand> asac, but it plays fine on krillin
[12:16] <brendand> asac, just not on mako
[12:22] <brendand> asac, and for sure those worked before
[12:25] <Ursinha> hmm
[12:26] <ogra_> Ursinha, !
[12:26] <ogra_> Ursinha, HAPPY BIRTHDAY !!!!
[12:26] <Ursinha> ogra_: thaaaaaaaaaaanks :D
[12:26] <ogra_> (finally drinking age, eh ? )
[12:26] <Ursinha> lol
[12:27] <Ursinha> almost :P
[12:27] <ogra_> :)
[12:27] <Ursinha> Saviq: I'm trying to figure out why jenkins.qa is down (I can't access it here either)
[12:28] <Saviq> Ursinha, thanks, and 100 years! (is what we say for happy birthday here... whether it's to be spent in prison or something is still under debate)
[12:29] <Ursinha> Saviq: hahahahaha
[12:29] <Ursinha> thanks :)
[12:30] <ralsina> brendand: hi, let me know if you have any questions re: silo 10
[12:37] <brendand> ralsina, the instructions on the test plan for adding the correct permission for facebook are not really clear
[12:38] <ralsina> brendand: yeah
[12:38] <brendand> ralsina, there is just a link to a doc page which doesn't really explain much
[12:38] <ralsina> brendand: I'll bring in verterok (he wrote that) so he clarifies
[12:38] <ralsina> brendand: he should be around in '30 or so
[12:46] <Mirv> sil2100: prepare-silo reconfiguring a sync silo does not seem to do what's expected: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/prepare-silo/1718/console <- it removed unity-system-compositor from the rtm silo, even though it's there in the source silo
[12:47] <brendand> asac, looks like keyboard and transfer-indicator both broke in mako #11
[12:47] <brendand> and i'm not sure rotation lock ever worked
[12:48] <brendand> sorry, maybe not #11, could have been #12. i just need to check #11 now
[12:49] <verterok> brendand: hi! ralsina told me you need some help with the facebook chat/messages notifications branch?
[13:02] <brendand> asac, keyboard broke in #11
[13:02] <brendand> verterok, yeah - how do you set that up?
[13:02] <brendand> verterok, the manage_notifications permission that is
[13:04] <brendand> ogra_, is there a way to map mako images to krillin images? is it like N - X or something like that?
[13:04] <ogra_> brendand, nope
[13:04] <ogra_> and they will diverge further
[13:04] <verterok> brendand: I got the token via the fecabook graph explorer: https://developers.facebook.com/tools/explorer/
[13:04] <brendand> ogra_, do you have changelogs for mako?
[13:05] <ogra_> for rtm ? no
[13:05] <verterok> brendand: there is a button "Get Access Token", and you can select the different permissions
[13:05] <ogra_> brendand, the rootfs is identical even if the versions divert
[13:05] <verterok> brendand: read_mailbox and manage_notifications are in the "extended permissions" tab
[13:06] <brendand> verterok, got it
[13:06] <brendand> ogra_, so if i want to know what changed in image #11 for mako, where would i look?
[13:07] <ogra_> brendand, well, in the index.json and then in the respectiver rootfs changelog in the rtm dir
[13:08] <ogra_> brendand, the prob is that there will be far more krillin builds thna mako builds soon, each device tarball change will triger a new krillin image (using the same rootfs)
[13:08] <brendand> ogra_, where is index.json?
[13:08] <ogra_> so the only way to get that info reliably is the rootfs id from your device or from index.json on the s-i server
[13:16] <brendand> verterok, do i need to put that token somewhere?
[13:16] <brendand> verterok, ah i see it
[13:16] <verterok> brendand: yes, you need to set an env var and restart the account-polld
[13:17] <verterok> brendand: e.g: initctl set-env --global ACCOUNT_POLLD_TOKEN_FACEBOOK=<token> && initctl restart account-polld
[13:22] <asac> brendand: ok cool. please note that down for sil2100 ... once he has the landing log he will engage and find owner amongst landers
[13:22] <asac> obviously if keyboard landed in #11, then bfiller is the owner 99% )
[13:23] <brendand> asac, well keyboard didn't but system-settings did
[13:23] <brendand> asac, the bug already is against system settings
[13:23] <asac> brendand: ogra_ is not really clear... you can map the rootfs
[13:23] <asac> just look what is after the first : in the dashboard
[13:23] <asac> thats how you correlate
[13:23] <brendand> asac, yeah i found it
[13:23] <asac> the first number will not hav a stable offset
[13:23] <ogra_> asac, that dat comes from index.json :P
[13:23] <asac> thats correct
[13:23] <ogra_> *data
[13:24] <ogra_> (i.e. it is the same)
[13:24] <asac> hehe
[13:24] <brendand> asac, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1362679 is assigned to mterry
[13:24] <asac> well, there are two types of views on the world ... :)
[13:24] <asac> types of viewers :P
[13:24] <asac> on
[13:24] <ogra_> programmatically it iis easier to parse index.json ...
[13:25] <ogra_> if you check "by eye" i'd go for the dashboard too :)
[13:25] <ogra_> you'll find the rootfs changelogs in my image-stats ... respectiverly image-stats/rtm/ ...
[13:26] <ogra_> (the image id there is just a link against the matching rootfs)
[13:26] <brendand> sil2100, can you get me indicator-transfer=0.1+14.10.20140814-0ubuntu1
[13:26] <brendand> system-image-cli -i has it too
[13:27] <ogra_> yeah
[13:27] <asac> brendand: what do you mea with "can you get me"?
[13:28] <asac> brendand: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/+source/indicator-transfer/+publishinghistory
[13:28] <ogra_> imgbot, stop
[13:28] <imgbot> AAAAARRRGH !!! (dying)
[13:28] <ogra_> muhahaha !
[13:28] <ogra_> (lets see if it comes back and i didnt make typos)
[13:29] <brendand> asac, i'm not sure where to find the old .deb for indicator-transfer
[13:29] <brendand> asac, i can probably work it out though
[13:29] <asac> odd
[13:29] <asac> cjwatson_: shouldnt the derived distro keep the binaries?
[13:29] <asac> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/+source/indicator-transfer/0.1+14.10.20140814-0ubuntu1
[13:31] <asac> wgrant: ^
[13:31] <asac> brendand: could be its a frontend bug
[13:32] <brendand> asac, i found it
[13:32] <brendand> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/182273113/indicator-transfer_0.1%2B14.10.20140814-0ubuntu1_armhf.deb
[13:33] <ogra_> yay
[13:33] <asac> brendand: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/14.09/armhf/indicator-transfer/0.1+14.10.20140814-0ubuntu1
[13:33] <asac> yeah
[13:33] <asac> you can find it through some other navigation :)
[13:33] <asac> guess its a bug
[13:34] <asac> not sure where to file the bug though... lets hope wgrant picks it up from IRC highlights :)
[13:35] <wgrant> asac: Ah, there's a UI bug that won't show builds that were copied cross-distro.
[13:36] <wgrant> Fixing.
[13:38] <ogra_> brendand, in any case the -changes ML has all rtm landings and liks to LP pages for them
[13:41] <asac> wgrant: awesome. we just do source copies though, but guess thats what you mean
[13:42] <asac> ogra_: the lp pages with tehh binaries?
[13:42] <wgrant> asac: That one was binary-copied from an Ubuntu CI Train PPA AFAICT.
[13:43] <ogra_> asac, yeah ... https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/rtm-14.09-changes/2014-August/date.html#start the links from the single mails all work
[13:43] <wgrant> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/14.09/armhf/indicator-transfer/0.1+14.10.20140814-0ubuntu1 <- notice the build link in the top right.
[13:43] <wgrant> It's in an Ubuntu PPA.
[13:44] <asac> wgrant: oh true
[13:44] <asac> yeah we always do that for landings
[13:45] <ogra_> sil2100, i wouldnt mind an rtm image build at some point today, to see how imgbot acts in real life
[13:46] <ogra_> (theoretically it should now announce rtm krillin builds and changelogs for them)
[13:51] <brendand> queuebot, we already knew that :P
[13:52] <ogra_> yeah, using spreadsheets as a base starts to kind of get in our way slowly :)
[13:59] <sil2100> ogra_: yeah, sorry, things took longer in the vets
[13:59] <ogra_> sil2100, well, not pushing ... and we only had two landings today
[13:59] <ogra_> not sure when it is worth to roll a new one
[14:26] <brendand> verterok, ralsina - care to provide a quick description of what silo 10 is for?
[14:27] <brendand> verterok, ralsina - from a regression point of view things look okay
[14:27] <ralsina> brendand: it adds notifications for facebook chat messages
[14:27] <brendand> ralsina, ah ok
[14:28] <brendand> 'multiple more notifications' :)
[14:28] <brendand> is it written in doge by any chance :)
[14:28] <brendand> wow. such notifications. much more
[14:28] <ralsina> hahaha
[14:29] <ralsina> not one native speaker involved, we can reword in a following branch
[14:29] <sil2100> Mirv: what syntax did you use for that sync silo?
[14:29] <ralsina> verterok: did that text get ok from someone other than coders?
[14:30] <verterok> ralsina: ENOPASRE :)
[14:30] <sil2100> Mirv: so, yeah, the silo sync is a big hack in overall ;) Since it completely works-around CI Train logic it was never tested if working with reconfigure
[14:31] <verterok> ralsina: only coders reviewed the branch (and text)
[14:31] <ralsina> verterok: usually texts visible to the user need to be +1d by someone from design or whatever
[14:31] <sil2100> Mirv: in case of normal synces (like sync from the archive or from a PPA) it actually uses a list of predefined packages
[14:31] <ralsina> verterok: or at least a native english-speaker :-)
[14:31] <sil2100> Will try to formalize that, but well...
[14:31] <verterok> ralsina: sergio might know. but I just used the already existing wording for the other kind of notifications :/
[14:32] <ralsina> verterok: ah, ok
[14:32] <sil2100> ogra_: heeey ;) Did you have a moment to do that packaging ACK, or should I perster some other core-dev? :)
[14:34] <ralsina> brendand: can you log a bug against account-polld for that wording? I'll get someone to improve it.
[14:34] <ogra_> sil2100, packaging looks fine (nice changelog) ... i wish we coould just exclude the makefiles ... i cand really jusdge them without a test build indeed
[14:34] <ogra_> but i assume a testbuild has happened for these changes, so ACK
[14:34] <sil2100> ogra_: yeah, we know it's building since otherwise it wouldn't be publishable
[14:34] <sil2100> ogra_: thanks!
[14:34] <brendand> ralsina, i will
[14:36] <sergiusens_> brendand: I wonder why we can't just do english translations as well through the translations feature in launchpad
[14:37] <sergiusens_> brendand: as changing the string in the code will just break translations for everything else
[14:38] <brendand> sergiusens_, interesting idea :)
[14:38] <sergiusens_> we used to do that at intel
[14:38] <brendand> sergiusens_, feel free to fix it in whichever way you like
[14:38] <sergiusens_> brendand: well I don't think it's being delivered :-P
[14:39] <sergiusens_> brendand: and I'm not in the translators team either
[14:39] <brendand> sergiusens_, not being delivered?
[14:39] <sergiusens_> brendand: delivered->packaged
[14:40] <sergiusens_> I think popey would know best being a grammar freak :-P
[14:41] <brendand> sergiusens_, you mean the translations?
[14:41] <popey> hah
[14:43] <popey> sergiusens_: I usually do "fix" americanisms in translations
[14:44] <sergiusens_> popey: brendand no worries; pitti just told me I can use a hack to avoid breaking translations
[14:44] <sergiusens_> popey: IMO, en_US should also be a "translation"
[14:44] <sergiusens_> tech english -> user level english
[14:45] <popey> well, I agree, maybe Latin should be our default language
[14:45] <sergiusens_> lol
[14:45] <brendand> popey, sergiusens_ thinks it is already
[14:46] <brendand> sergiusens_, what's the next -ium you're going to foist on us?
[14:47] <sergiusens_> brendand: since most components end up doing something different than what they started out to, I just name them something close to what it will initially do
[14:47] <sergiusens_> it's that or systemd ;-)
[14:52] <dbarth> hi trainguards, i'd like silo 18 reconfig'ed; i've just added an extra bug fix branch for libaccounts-glib; thanks
[14:53] <sil2100> dbarth: sure! Let me take a look at that
[14:54] <sil2100> ...I see Mirv is faster again!
[14:54] <sil2100> Or not
[14:58] <dbarth> thanks
[14:58] <camako> sil2100, I see that you built rtm silo 7... thanks.. But since this is just a rebuild for Mir's rdeps (no code change), they might incorrectly link with the archive version instead of the silo version of the mir.
[15:00] <camako> sil2100, so mir needs to be built first... then platform-api, then usc, qtmir, qtmir-gles
[15:00] <sil2100> camako: ok, so the rebuilds didn't have any dep-changes, right?
[15:00]  * sil2100 sighs
[15:00] <sil2100> Ok, this will make things harder
[15:01] <camako> sil2100, right.. I was trying to build them one by one but I got a weird error
[15:01] <bzoltan> Mirv: sil2100: I could not get the reminder app tests not hanging ...
[15:01] <sil2100> I'll have to do some manual work here
[15:02] <sil2100> bzoltan: yeah, it seems it hanged on smoketesting as well :| elopio_, balloons any news on that?
[15:02] <bzoltan> sil2100:  OK, so it is a known issue. I do not bother my UITK validation then
[15:03] <sil2100> bzoltan: it's a known thing :| We're trying to get out head around us already regarding that, but US being away doesn't help
[15:08] <camako> sil2100, I don't mind doing this myself since it's so linear/manual. US is on holiday, but I'll be checking IRC throughout the day..
[15:08] <sil2100> camako: no worries, I'll handle it in a moment
[15:08] <sil2100> :)
[15:09] <camako> ok thanks a lot
[15:09]  * camako back to holiday mode
[15:23] <sil2100> camako: don't worry about me freeing it, I actually have to use a different feature for now until I get some modifications in
[15:32] <lool> sil2100: /win 1
[15:32] <lool> ups
[15:32] <sil2100> lool: o/
[15:33] <lool> sil2100: hey I'd need someone to help me get lp:ubuntu-location-provider-here in shape to go to silo 10 with the rest
[15:34] <lool> sil2100: like enabling it for CI and getting it there once
[15:34] <sil2100> lool: you mean, getting it buildable by the train?
[15:34] <lool> sil2100: yeah
[15:35] <sil2100> lool: ok, so for enabling CI we'll need the US guys, but I can help with making sure everything is ready for the train
[15:35] <sil2100> And then we can provide an initial release in the silo
[15:35] <sil2100> Give me some moments to finish up what I'm working on now :)
[15:36] <brendand> verterok, i didn't get a message that i sent to myself on facebook
[15:36] <sergiusens_> lool: sil2100 the ci run during an MP can be completely independant from getting it into a silo
[15:36] <sil2100> sergiusens_: yeah, that's why I'm saying we need Francis for that, as it's not anything I have power over currently
[15:37] <sil2100> But making sure all is good for train - no problem
[15:37] <sergiusens_> sure, just saying that lool shouldn't feel blocked from landing anything
[15:37] <verterok> brendand: only unseen messages are notified
[15:37] <brendand> verterok, i don't think i have seen it
[15:38] <brendand> verterok, it still appears as unseen on the web app ui
[15:38] <lool> sergiusens_: oh you mean I can upload it by hand, and then CI it?
[15:39] <verterok> brendand: ok, then please check the logs: ~/.cache/upstart/account-polld.log. Maybe the client setup failed
[15:40] <brendand> verterok, hmm yeah token expired
[15:40] <sil2100> lool: yes
[15:41] <verterok> brendand: ah, yes. the token from the graph explorer has a short "life" :/
[15:42] <brendand> verterok, ok all is well. silo approved
[15:43] <brendand> verterok, sorry it took a bit. busy day here
[15:43] <verterok> brendand: np. thanks a lot!
[15:45] <sil2100> o/
[15:48] <brendand> dbarth, do you happen to know if rtm silo 002 is ready to land again? http://people.canonical.com/~platform/citrain_dashboard/#?distro=ubuntu-rtm&q=
[15:55] <boiko> robru: hey, thanks for creating the rtm silo for me
[15:55] <boiko> robru: I noticed an error in the build though, not sure if you have seen it: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-rtm-landing-004-1-build/11/console
[16:04] <boiko> sil2100: hi, would you mind checking what is going on here: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-rtm-landing-004-1-build/11/console
[16:04] <sil2100> boiko: it was a transient issue, let me rebuild and it will be fine
[16:05] <boiko> sil2100: nice! thanks!
[16:05] <sil2100> (I mean, it should..!)
[16:14] <boiko> sil2100: weird, it says packages built, but on the ppa the packages that are there are not the ones I landed
[16:15] <sil2100> boiko: oh! Wait, I think I know what happened, ohmegosh
[16:15] <boiko> sil2100: :)
[16:15] <sil2100> boiko: so, it seems your ubuntu silo got freed in the meantime ;p
[16:15] <boiko> sil2100: I would guess so, as I landed that on friday
[16:15] <sil2100> boiko: CI Train has NO WAY of knowing about that, and I missed it
[16:15] <sil2100> boiko: let me reassign a silo for you with the ubuntu sync
[16:16] <boiko> sil2100: nice! thanks!
[16:42] <boiko> sil2100: would you mind pinging me when the silo thing is resolved?
[16:42] <sil2100> boiko: sure :)
[16:42] <sil2100> boiko: still have to finish one thing
[16:43] <boiko> sil2100: no hurry, just give me a heads up when it is done
[16:43] <sil2100> ogra_: how to upload something to ubuntu-rtm using dput? What config do I need?
[16:44]  * sil2100 never uploaded directly to the ubuntu-rtm archive
[16:45] <ogra_> [ubuntu-rtm]
[16:45] <ogra_> fqdn			= upload.ubuntu.com
[16:45] <ogra_> method			= ftp
[16:45] <ogra_> incoming		= /ubuntu-rtm
[16:45] <ogra_> login			= anonymous
[16:45] <ogra_> sil2100, ^^^
[16:45] <sil2100> Ah, just incoming changing?
[16:45] <sil2100> ACK :)
[16:45] <ogra_> add that to your dput.cf
[16:46] <ogra_> sil2100, btw, as i mentioned in the meeting, silo14-rtm can be freed, i wont need it
[16:46] <sil2100> ogra_: ACK :)
[16:50] <dbarth> brendand: i pushed a change to my branch, so not today; will rebuild / test this evning
[17:02] <popey> sil2100: ahayzen is asking about bug 1363314 - did get get progress from anyone?
[17:02] <popey> (it's blocking our landings - and they're backing up now)
[17:30] <ahayzen> sil2100, while on the topic of blockers should bug 1359022 be on the list as a low priority?
[17:39] <sil2100> ogra_: I think ofono is in ubuntu-rtm now
[17:39] <sil2100> ogra_: not sure how to use rmadison for that, but LP says so ;)
[17:40] <ogra_> yeah, rmadison needs server side setup i think
[17:40] <sil2100> popey: sadly... ;/ We've been poking around but no movement
[17:40] <sil2100> popey: it'll be in the landing e-mail, and I'll explicitly poke about it there
[17:40] <ogra_> afaik rmadison uses http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/madison.cgi remotely
[17:43] <ogra_> sil2100, well, i think if you got the mail it should be in (not 100% sure though )
[17:44] <sil2100> ogra_: I got it
[17:44] <sil2100> ogra_: so let's maybe kick that image? :)
[17:44] <ogra_> ok, lets try ... worst case it will be in tonights build
[17:45] <ogra_> running ... lets see what th bot does :)
[17:45] <ogra_> (should announce it within the next 10min if everything works)
[18:04]  * sil2100 hates the spreadsheet
[18:04] <ogra_> hmm
[18:04] <ogra_> so i see the backend picked it up properly ...
[18:05] <ogra_> imgbot, stunt
[18:05]  * imgbot rolls on its back and purrs
[18:05] <ogra_> bot is alive ... why didnt it pick it up
[18:05] <davmor2> ogra_: it was too hot and might of burnt it's fingers?
[18:06]  * ogra_ finds a typo in the code, puts it in a bag and sends it to davmor2
[18:07] <davmor2> ogra_: look you spelt this wrong right here, I bet if you change that to this it'll work
[18:10] <sil2100> camako: I *hope* everything is building now correctly in silo 5 (mir landing)
[18:11] <sil2100> brendand: hey! Did you spend some time today to find the images in which our blockers first appeared on?
[18:13] <brendand> sil2100, i spent some time, for some of the blockers :)
[18:13] <brendand> sil2100, we already identified keyboard and indicator-transfer right?
[18:14] <sil2100> Not sure?
[18:14]  * sil2100 was probably not paying attention to IRC then :)
[18:15] <brendand> sil2100, both came in Mako image #11
[18:16] <sil2100> Mako image... hmmm
[18:16] <brendand> sil2100, the others, well a few of them i never reproduced myself so best ask davmor2
[18:16] <sil2100> Do you know what was the krillin image of that? ;/
[18:16] <brendand> sil2100, and the video one seems to not be a recent regression
[18:16] <brendand> sil2100, all i know is that this is the rootfs: http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/rtm/20140828.changes
[18:17] <brendand> sil2100, which looks like this: http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/rtm/2.changes
[18:17] <brendand> since #2, wow
[18:17] <brendand> how slow are we
[18:18] <sil2100> ;)
[18:18] <sil2100> brendand: thanks!
[18:21] <ogra_> grrr
[18:26] <camako> sil2100, thanks for building but I'm curious why did _you_ have to do that? Was this you (as the landing team) being helpful to prevent the landers from repeating work for the RTM?
[18:26] <camako> or is there some other technical reason
[18:27] <davmor2> brendand: difference in looking at specifics for silos and generals in images.
[18:27] <sil2100> camako: well, normally things like this are automated, but CI Train during syncs has currently no way of forcing builds in a specyfic order - I will work on enabling that tomorrow, but for now it required some magic to enable that
[18:28] <sil2100> camako: so I did it for you :)
[18:28] <camako> sil2100, thanks my friend... :-) and sorry I created extra work for you
[18:29] <sil2100> camako: no worries! If something seems wrong during testing just let me know
[18:29] <camako> sil2100, sure I will.. so does that mean I can't build it myself?
[18:29] <camako> even if I wanted to.
[18:30] <sil2100> camako: you can, but how this works is that it takes the packages from ubuntu and just rebuilds it for ubuntu-rtm
[18:30] <camako> sil2100, ok that's my understanding (SRCCOPY)...
[18:31] <sil2100> So once they're built, you can't really force a rebuild as it's supposed to work without hte need for that, as basically the assumption is that you want to have the same sources at both
[18:31] <sil2100> I'll probably try adding rebuild functionality later
[18:31] <camako> ok I see...
[18:59] <imgbot> [18:59] <imgbot> [19:00] <ogra_> yay
[19:01] <ogra_> and ofono made it in
[19:10] <sil2100> \o/
[19:10] <sil2100> o/
[19:12] <ogra_> hmm, did anyone else notice that there is no more progress in the progressbar on system image downloads ?
[19:13] <ogra_> (i get the "install and reboot" popup eventually, but the progressbar stays at 0%)
[19:14] <lool> I have two stupid questions
[19:14] <lool> Q1: is it ok not to create a RTM branch all the time, but instead do verbatim source copies from utopic to rtm?
[19:14] <lool> Q2: how do people work on multiple branches when testing utopic and rtm? do you folks reflash utopic, and then rtm multiple times a day?
[19:15] <lool> I'm worried that the latter will kill the flash super fast
[19:17] <ogra_> lool, Q1 thats the desired default process
[19:17] <ogra_> we dont want rtm branches for everything :)
[19:17] <ogra_> lool, i test utopic on mako and rtm on krillin
[19:21] <lool> ok
[19:41] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~$ phablet-test-run -v ubuntu-calculator-app
[19:41] <popey> sh: 1: /usr/bin/python: not found
[19:41] <popey> gnnnnnnnnn
[19:41] <ogra_> sounds a bit obsolete :)
[19:41] <ahayzen> popey, u can hack the script to use py3
[19:42] <popey> ahayzen: aside from my stock response of "I shouldn't have to". What do I need to fudge?
[19:42] <ahayzen> popey, a line called defaultpy= change it to python3 at the end
[19:43] <ahayzen> popey, i think it is line 129 let me check
[19:43] <ahayzen> popey, in /usr/bin/phablet-test-run
[19:43] <popey> it is
[19:43] <popey> thanks
[19:44]  * popey also s/ubuntu-calculator-app/ubuntu_calculator_app/ ☻
[19:45] <ahayzen> popey, np :)
[19:45] <ogra_> yeah, that is how you should have called it in the first place :)
[20:00] <sergiusens_> are there no trainguards in?
[20:00] <ogra_> rob is off it seems
[20:01] <ogra_> and sil added 2h to his day to cover at least a bit
[20:01] <ogra_> (and other US trainguards are off too)
[20:03] <bzoltan> ogra_: I do not know hat I do wrong, but AP tests for filemanager, camera and other just siple dump core when I run them. I have strugled for two days already to validate the new UITK release, but something is not right.
[20:07] <lool> ogra_: would you know how to land a seed change via a silo?
[20:08] <popey> bzoltan: there's AP failures all over the place
[20:09] <popey> bzoltan: I can't get many things landed because everything is failing in jenkins.
[20:12] <ogra_> lool, you dont
[20:13] <ogra_> lool, build meta in utopic and do a copy-package or dput to rtm
[20:13] <ogra_> bzoltan, what popey said ...
[20:13] <lool> ogra_: but even in utopic, I go straight for the archive then?
[20:13] <ogra_> yes
[20:13] <sergiusens_> asac: is today a holiday for everyone, we have no trainguards today
[20:13] <ogra_> sergiusens_, for the US
[20:13] <sergiusens_> is today dput day? :-)
[20:14] <ogra_> we have trainguards in the US, we have stgraber who is traveling back from debconf i think and rob who is on vac.
[20:14] <ogra_> so the non US trainguards are out and the US ones dont work on labour days ;)
[20:31] <asac> sergiusens_: ogra can help out... rsalveti also can help?
[20:31] <asac> assigning silos etc.
[20:32] <sergiusens_> asac: yeah, solved, thanks
[20:32] <asac> cool
[20:32] <rsalveti> yeah, can do
[20:32] <asac> qa sign off might be another hurdle
[20:33] <asac> but then leo etc. are also on duty there afaik
[20:33] <sergiusens_> asac: I don't need QA signoff
[20:33] <asac> ok
[20:33] <sergiusens_> asac: desktop only for this one and everything else I'm doing is bugfixes
[20:33] <sergiusens_> asac: more relaxed since thursday here ;-)
[20:43] <asac> sergiusens_: awesome. bugfixes is the theme. just ensure they still receive proper testing
[20:43] <asac> we got two regression from isolated bugfix  landings
[20:43] <asac> that noone backed out :)
[20:43] <sergiusens_> asac: I test for a day before landing anything
[20:43] <asac> right
[20:43] <asac> well done!
[20:43] <asac> and use a systematic testplan that grows as we find holes in the gates
[20:44]  * asac will go to be early today
[20:44]  * asac waves!
[20:44] <asac> see you tomorrow!
[20:44] <sergiusens_> bye
[20:44]  * sergiusens_ leaves for a bit too
[21:15] <renatu> hey guys, I am not able to download jenkins output files. Do you know if something has changed?
[23:06] <elopio_> cihelp, anyone around to help with the reminders jenkins job?


[01:06] <nixnine> hey guys, i was trying to update some packages and got an error about aptdaemon.  And now I have the problem of not being able to mount any disks.  How do I resolve this problem.  I am using ubuntustudio 12.10.
[01:08] <pleia2> nixnine: this is the development channel (not support) for xubuntu, you might want to try out #ubuntustudio (or #xubuntu) with a paste.ubuntu.com link to your error
[01:08] <nixnine> sorry, thought I might get better results here.
[02:30] <pleia2> knome: ok, all tax emails sent (I sent one to you too :))
[02:30]  * pleia2 seeks sushi
[15:26] <stgraber> knome: ping
[15:46] <stgraber> knome, mr_pouit: I'm adding upstart user job support to xfce4-session. That's just an extra file dumped into /usr/share/upstart/sessions which allows for users to run the xfce/xubuntu session under upstart.
[15:47] <stgraber> at this stage it won't be the default, you'll have to explicitly add xfce and xubuntu to /etc/upstart-xsessions for it to take effect, but it'd be great if we could make that the default at some point in the saucy cycle
[15:56] <stgraber> knome, mr_pouit: change tested, test built and uploaded. Next step is to coordinate testing of the new feature to ensure that it doesn't regress anything obvious, before we can consider making this the default.
[18:24] <skellat> stgraber: What do we gain from this?  I haven't quite understood that.
[18:25] <stgraber> skellat: the most important gain is that you won't have to maintain ubiquity-dm or any other software that we move to using upstart user sessions in Ubuntu
[18:26] <stgraber> skellat: but more generally, you gain the ability of having autostarted software on steroid where you can ship upstart jobs for software running in the user session while depending on system events or hardware events
[18:26] <stgraber> skellat: for example you could add a file in ~/.init/xterm.conf containing:
[18:26] <stgraber> start on :sys:usb-device-added
[18:26] <stgraber> exec xterm
[18:27] <stgraber> which is a bit of a stupid example, that'll spawn an xterm the first time you plug something in a usb port
[18:27] <stgraber> you can also use any other upstart features for those jobs, including instances, auto-respawn, complex dependencies, ...
[18:28] <stgraber> for the ubuntu desktop, our plan is to move quite a few of the current desktop daemon/services that are always running to upstart jobs that only trigger when actually needed (as we'll very soon gain the ability to start/stop jobs based on gsettings values)
[18:28] <stgraber> an obvious example is something like a bluetooth applet which you only want to start if: 1) the user has enabled bluetooth in the session 2) the system bluez service is running 3) you have bluetooth hardware
[18:29] <stgraber> something like: start on gsettings-key PATH=/org.bluez/bluetooth-applet/enabled VALUE=true and :sys:bluetooth started and bluetooth-device-added
[18:30] <stgraber> would be an approximation of a startup condition that we could have for such applets
[18:31] <stgraber> another nice side effect of upstart user sessions, but I may be the only one who cares about that is that the whole session is kind of contained below the upstart process. So if you do a "ps faux" for example, you'll see that the whole session tree now looks clean and makes sense. Killing upstart will kill everything so that usually leads to cleaner logouts.
[18:44] <skellat> Okay
[18:45] <skellat> I'll need to keep this in mind as a documentation writer.  Thank you stgraber.
[18:48] <stgraber> skellat: I expect the Ubuntu and Kubuntu doc writers will also want to add something for that feature, so chances are you can pretty much re-use the same text across desktop environments as it's a generic feature and only the name of the main job varies between environments
[19:50] <knome> stgraber, thanks for the information; i'll have to dig deeped to that when i've been able to beat this flu :)
[19:53] <stgraber> knome: sure. I'm probably going to nag all the flavour leads in a couple of weeks to see if you're all ready to make this the default, so you've got time. Good luck fighting that flu ;)
[19:54] <knome> stgraber, ta. though as you know, i'm technically limited, so better ping mr_pouit/micahg if you need to ask and get an answer ;)
[19:54] <knome> and thanks, i'll be fighting it like a pro - just got some rum for medication
[20:00] <stgraber> knome: well, I think we mostly need testing more than any technical work on that. I only used xubuntu for around 2min to test my change, so what we probably want at this stage are people using this for their main session for a few days and reporting any regression they spot.
[20:00] <knome> forestpiskie, ^
[20:00] <stgraber> knome: it's now been the default in Ubuntu saucy for over a month, so I'm pretty sure we caught most if not all issues already, but better safe than sorry (having a broken desktop session is always a bit annoying)
[20:00] <knome> definitely!
[20:44] <OvenWerks> stgraber: is that set up in the xfce DE? Or will UbuntuStudio need to add thsi somewhere?
[20:45] <stgraber> OvenWerks: what do you get if you do "echo $DESKTOP_SESSION" on UbuntuStudio?
[20:46] <OvenWerks> Let me run upstaris... this machine has kubuntu
[20:47] <OvenWerks> we get ubuntustudio
[20:48] <stgraber> doh, was hoping for "xfce". Right, then I'll need to take a look at studio once I'm done with lubuntu
[20:48] <OvenWerks> should be in ubuntustudio-default-settings
[20:49] <OvenWerks> Well, our session stuff
[23:36] <amerigena> Do the screenshots in the Xubuntu flyer have to be from a generic / default install?
[23:38] <pleia2> my own opinion is "yes" unless we decided to add a section about how it's easy to customize, maybe one screenshot where someone did crazy/cool things :)
[23:38] <pleia2> but I want other feedback on this, peanut gallery
[23:38]  * pleia2 nudges Unit193
[23:39] <Unit193> That's..me.  In general I'd think about the same, you may want to clearify that you can do good custom setups, don't have to use the defaults.
[23:43] <Unit193> Hopefully that makes sense?  I'm not good at marketing. :P
[23:43] <amerigena> Sounds good to me. Not planning on adding too much graphical content anyway.
[23:44] <pleia2> it's true that I am only marketing lead because I set up twitter ;)
[23:44] <amerigena> how many pages is it supposed to be?
[23:44] <pleia2> amerigena: initial run just one page
[23:44] <pleia2> the kind of thing we can just hand out at conferences to people who are curious
[23:44] <amerigena> OK. Well, it's around one-and-a-quarter now.
[23:45] <amerigena> I'll get rid of some stuff.
[23:45] <pleia2> yay! easier to remove than add :)
[23:45] <amerigena> Actually, it's around two-and-a-quarter.
[23:45] <amerigena> So I guess all of you can make the cuts.
[23:46] <pleia2> so we're thinking of eventually doing a double-sided thing (perhaps a folding type thing)
[23:48] <amerigena> Sounds good. Format it in Scribus, make it a true leaflet.
[23:51] <pleia2> yeah :)
[23:51] <pleia2> in the US we can print them relatively cheaply with vistaprint.com
[23:52] <amerigena> Vistaprint allows 3rd party formatting?
[23:52] <amerigena> I don't really know that much about it, but would really like to learn.
[23:53] <Unit193> Did -website people end up deciding not to have a "gallery" on the website?


[09:31]  * Laney discovers an ancient Rhonda backport in the queue
[12:03] <Rhonda> Oo
[12:03] <Rhonda> Wait what.
[12:03]  * Rhonda eyes Laney
[17:55] <Unit193> Logan: FWIW, when the new apt-file is merged, as it stands it'll either support Ubuntu repos or external repos due to the weirdness of Ubuntu ones.
[19:38] <Unit193> barry: Pokepoke.  Know what I'm going to ask? :D
[19:48] <barry> Unit193: oh hai.  you know warsaw's second law right?
[19:49] <Unit193> Hah.
[19:51] <Unit193> barry: What if I say I've been using it since Apr 29th? :P
[19:51]  * Unit193 will poke later.
[19:51] <barry> Unit193: awesome.  ping me monday