[00:00] <CTtechguy> thanks
[04:44] <TacoTruck> Can I install Lubuntu from a standard ubuntu server headless system? For example adding the Lubuntu PPA and then running something like apt-get lubuntu-desktop
[04:45] <Sentynel> TacoTruck: there's no PPA to add, just install the lubuntu-desktop package
[04:48] <TacoTruck> OK. How about when I already have an existing standard ubuntu desktop install. Is it possible to swap that out with lubuntu-desktop? Or must I begin with the server base?
[04:48] <Sentynel> nope, you can install lubuntu-desktop too
[04:49] <Sentynel> and select which env to load on the login screen
[04:49] <TacoTruck> Ah, that's where I slipped up. I have my system set to auto login.
[04:49] <TacoTruck> Hence never saw lubuntu option
[04:50] <Sentynel> you can also remove the ubuntu packages if you wish, and it'll just load lubuntu automatically
[04:56] <TacoTruck> which command should I use to do that? I tried to agt-get remove ubuntu-desktop, and well as aptitude purge ubuntu-desktop but that didn't seem to wokr.
[04:56] <Sentynel> it's not sufficient to remove just the ubuntu-desktop package
[04:56] <Sentynel> as it's a metapackage which depends on all the real packages used by ubuntu-desktop
[04:57] <Sentynel> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxde there's a command here if you're on 11.10
[05:02] <TacoTruck> thx much
[11:59] <milen8204> Hello all I have a problem whit spelling in xchat on OS Lubuntu11.10.I do not have spelling check when I start the program in a normal way (double click on it`s icon), but when I start it whit bash script it have. have two locale languages en (English) and bg (Bulgarian), but the Bulgarian spelling does not start at all. Could some one give a bit of advice please ?
[12:28] <bioterror> milen8204, you have aspell-bg installed?
[12:30] <milen8204> bioterror, yes I have aspell-bg and myspell-bg installed also aspell-en and myspell-en
[12:31] <milen8204> bioterror, I have bg spelling in LiberteOffice
[12:34] <bioterror> seems like the only way to change spell checkin language is do it with the locale on terminal
[12:34] <bioterror> LANG=bg xchat
[12:35] <milen8204> I tried does not work :D
[12:37] <bioterror> https://toxin.jottit.com/xchat_spell_checking that doesnt work?
[12:55] <milen8204> bioterror, yes I have tried several times
[17:45] <MOSJ> hello there
[17:46] <MOSJ> someone to help me?
[17:51] <Marck> hello?
[17:52] <phillw> MOSJ: do not ask to ask... just ask :)
[17:52] <MOSJ> rs
[17:52] <MOSJ> ok
[17:52] <MOSJ> I just put lubuntu here
[17:53] <MOSJ> untill yesterday was using ubuntu
[17:53] <phillw> which version? 11.10?
[17:53] <MOSJ> 11.04
[17:53] <MOSJ> I didn't upgraded it because I am almost buying another pc
[17:53] <phillw> okay. do ask the question(s)
[17:54] <MOSJ> just waiting for sandybridge ^^
[17:54] <MOSJ> well
[17:55] <MOSJ> the problem is that i'm with trouble to access files through some apps
[17:55] <MOSJ> for exemple
[17:55] <MOSJ> I cannot open my avatar on pidgin
[17:56] <MOSJ> it's kinda hard to explain
[17:57] <phillw> were you using ubuntu 10.04?
[17:57] <MOSJ> lubuntu 11.10
[17:58] <MOSJ> I put lubuntu 11.10 yesterday
[17:58] <phillw> now you have me confused... you asaid you were using lubuntu 11.04?
[17:58] <phillw> s/asaid/said
[17:59] <MOSJ> sorry for my poor english
[17:59] <MOSJ> well... start again
[17:59] <phillw> that is okay. Are you using Lubuntu 11.04 or Lubuntu 11.10?
[17:59] <MOSJ> Untill yestarday I was using UBUNTU 11.04...
[18:00] <MOSJ> working great
[18:00] <phillw> how did you install Lubuntu?
[18:00] <MOSJ> took my HD to another pc and installed from there
[18:00] <MOSJ> then come back to my old athlon
[18:01] <phillw> So, the disk was formatted, or did you install lubuntu along side ubuntu?
[18:02] <MOSJ> vish... sorry again... my english isn't helping
[18:02] <MOSJ> I installed lubuntu in a different HD
[18:03] <MOSJ> I have 2 hds here
[18:03] <MOSJ> 30 gb with ubuntu, working fine
[18:03] <phillw> Okay, so the disk you have now has only lubuntu on it?
[18:03] <MOSJ> and now 80gb with lubuntu
[18:03] <MOSJ> yep
[18:03] <phillw> what version of lubuntu?
[18:03] <MOSJ> 11.10
[18:04] <phillw> have you checked for updates since you did your install?
[18:04] <MOSJ> yes, I downloaded 170 mB of updates
[18:05] <MOSJ> and have already rebooted it
[18:05] <MOSJ> restarted*
[18:06] <phillw> okay. So when you say pidgin cannot see your avatar; have you put your avatar onto the new lubuntu installation?
[18:06] <MOSJ> yes
[18:06] <MOSJ> the problem must be with the file manager
[18:06] <MOSJ> doesn't show anything
[18:08] <MOSJ> and while opened, the file manager of pidgin makes the pc slowdown
[18:08] <MOSJ> is the file manager of pidgin same of system?
[18:11] <phillw> the filemanager is a sperate program to pidgin. the filemanager is called PCManFM
[18:11] <MOSJ> hmm
[18:12] <MOSJ> would you mind take a look with teamviewer?
[18:13] <phillw> I am not on a machine with teamviewer installed.
[18:14] <MOSJ> ok...
[18:14] <MOSJ> so...
[18:15] <phillw> MOSJ: what is your native language? I'll see if I can find a native speaker for you.
[18:15] <MOSJ> portuguese
[18:15] <MOSJ> I'm from brazil
[18:16] <phillw> we may be in luck, I'll just see if pedro is on (also from brazil)
[18:16] <MOSJ> oh thanks
[18:17] <phillw> MOSJ: please meet pedro3005
[18:17] <phillw> pedro3005: he has a new installed lubuntu install, updated but is having problems.
[18:18] <MOSJ> daew manolo
[18:18] <MOSJ> rs
[18:18] <phillw> If you'd prefer to discuss in PM feel free!
[18:18] <MOSJ> oh sure
[18:18] <MOSJ> oops
[18:18] <MOSJ> how pm works here?
[18:19] <MOSJ> thats my first time using irc
[18:19] <phillw> pedro3005: should PM you. it will show as a new tab if you are using pidgin
[18:19] <MOSJ> hmmm
[18:20] <M0hi> MOSJ, In pidgin, you can find the channel name in the top. near that, if someone pings you, his name will come. click it and chat :]
[18:22] <MOSJ> thx
[18:27] <pedro3005> phillw, any ideas?
[18:28] <phillw> pedro3005: I'm not entirely sure what his problems are, could you translate them?
[18:28] <pedro3005> "he says lubuntu is having frequent slow downs and the file manager does not work; he has reinstalled it thrice, checked the installation cd and ran a memtest"
[18:29] <MOSJ> could be because I installed it in another pc and after bring the hd to here?
[18:30] <phillw> yes, it could. Especially if the computers have different architecture.
[18:30] <pedro3005> ah sim com certeza
[18:30] <pedro3005> vc tem que instalar no próprio pc
[18:31] <MOSJ> vish... the other is a C2D e4600
[18:31] <MOSJ> this is just an old athlon
[18:31] <MOSJ> thats because I don't have a dvd drive here
[18:31] <MOSJ> and my drive is sata
[18:32] <MOSJ> this pc is all ide
[18:32] <MOSJ> well..
[18:32] <pedro3005> floppy drive?
[18:33] <MOSJ> nesse aqui?
[18:33] <pedro3005> é
[18:33] <MOSJ> tá perguntando se eu tenho drive de disquete nesse pc aqui?
[18:33] <pedro3005> é, no que vc quer o lubuntu
[18:33] <MOSJ> então
[18:33] <MOSJ> é esse
[18:33] <MOSJ> rs
[18:33] <MOSJ> tem sim
[18:34] <MOSJ> well... thank you guys...
[18:35] <MOSJ> I'll see what can I do
[18:35] <MOSJ> ah
[18:35] <phillw> I can only suggest installing the mini-iso and then putting the drive into the athlon and installing via the mini-iso
[18:35] <pedro3005> ah eu tinha uma ideia mas não vai dar
[18:36] <MOSJ> Just remembered... I've installed ubuntu at this way
[18:36] <MOSJ> putting the hard drive in the other pc
[18:36] <MOSJ> ...
[18:37] <phillw> I'm at a loss as to why it will not work - lubuntu and ubuntu use the same installer.
[18:37] <MOSJ> thats what I thought
[18:38] <MOSJ> we can never understand old pcs
[18:38] <MOSJ> rs
[18:39] <MOSJ> But I'm just waiting for intel releases the sandybridges to buy another
[18:40] <phillw> MOSJ: is the Athlon 32 bit or 64 bit, I cannot find a deffinitive answer.
[18:40] <MOSJ> hey, just one doubt I have, you may help me
[18:41] <MOSJ> phill, my athlon is 32
[18:41] <MOSJ> and about my doubt
[18:41] <MOSJ> its kinda obvious
[18:41] <MOSJ> but
[18:42] <MOSJ> if I host a server here... to play minecraft with my friends, or whatever
[18:42] <MOSJ> I got to open a port at my router
[18:42] <MOSJ> and my router isn't a modem, so I got a modem and the router plugged on it
[18:43] <MOSJ> then, have I to open ports on the router and the modem?
[18:43] <MOSJ> I don't know nothing about network...
[18:44] <phillw> MOSJ: I'd suggest using https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall to install the minimal 32 bit for 11.10, then adding lubuntu onto it.
[18:46] <MOSJ> I don't think RAM is the problem... I've got 1 gB of RAM
[18:46] <phillw> once the minimal 32 bit is on, put it into your Athlon machine and follow the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall#A10.10.2B-_.2832_and_64_Bit to install lubuntu-desktop
[18:48] <phillw> MOSJ: I'm not sure if the install CD is the correct version for your machine. By putting just the absolute bare minimum on so that it boots, doing the rest of the install *should* ensure you get the correct versions of everything.
[18:48] <MOSJ> hmm
[18:49] <phillw> MOSJ: is the CD you created the http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/11.10/release/lubuntu-11.10-desktop-i386.iso  or the http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/11.10/release/lubuntu-11.10-desktop-amd64.iso one?
[18:50] <MOSJ> i386
[18:50] <phillw> hmm, well, that's the correct image. I'm out of ideas if the mini-iso cannot solve it :(
[18:52] <MOSJ> maybe I should try linuxmint...
[18:53] <phillw> or install ubuntu, then put lubuntu on top of it, then remove ubuntu? Also a messy way - but you could check that things like pidgin etc. were working for you.
[18:54] <MOSJ> I tryed install lxde
[18:54] <MOSJ> on my ubuntu
[18:55] <phillw> no, you need to install lubuntu. lxde <> lubuntu
[18:56] <phillw> MOSJ: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/UpgradeToLubuntu
[18:56] <MOSJ> But cannot I use another graphic interface on ubuntu?
[18:56] <MOSJ> Like
[18:56] <MOSJ> install ubuntu
[18:56] <MOSJ> and after install LXDE
[18:57] <MOSJ> and at login screen change gnome to lxde?
[18:57] <phillw> MOSJ: no, lubuntu will install lxde and then add lubuntu. at login screen select lubuntu (not lxde)
[18:57] <MOSJ> ahh
[18:57] <MOSJ> so
[18:57] <MOSJ> thats because didn't worked
[18:58] <phillw> if you already have lxde, you can add lubuntu to it.
[18:58] <MOSJ> hmmm
[18:58] <phillw> log into lxde, get a terminal session and follow the notes at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/UpgradeToLubuntu to add lubuntu-desktop
[18:58] <MOSJ> I wil try next weekend
[18:59] <phillw> okay.
[18:59] <MOSJ> today I need the pc functional to watch the walking dead and top gear :P
[19:00] <Guest31678> hi all :) I have a problem logging in lubuntu. As I put username and password, the system goes back asking my usr and pwd again and again :( Any advice?
[19:01] <phillw> Guest31678: 1st one to check is CAPS lock. it is an easy one to get caught out with :)
[19:01] <Guest31678> yes, it's not capslock :)
[19:01] <MOSJ> well... I think you could try to log in at text interface
[19:01] <MOSJ> just to see what will happen
[19:02] <Guest31678> ok, I tried to log in in text and it logs
[19:02] <Guest31678> ctrl-alt-f2, right? There it works..
[19:03] <phillw> Guest31678: try http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/resetpassword
[19:03] <phillw> just to flush it.
[19:03] <Guest31678> ok, I'm trying :)
[19:13] <Guest31678> actually I don't understand why if I put ls /home nothings comes out...
[19:14] <KM0201> Guest31678: because /home doesn't exisst
[19:15] <KM0201> hmm, wait, nevermind
[19:15] <Guest31678> anyway as I try to change the psw it says (in italian) error in manipulation autentication token
[19:15] <KM0201> change the psw for what?
[19:16] <Guest31678> the original problem is that if I put my username and password the GUI doesn't login
[19:16] <Guest31678> it keeps me asking username and pwd again and again... :(
[19:17] <phillw> Guest31678: this is most likely caused by a permissions error in .ICEAuthority in your ~home directory. I'm perplexed that ls -al /home shows nothing
[19:18] <Guest31678> ok, consider that I have my /home partition on an external HDD
[19:19] <phillw> have you got an entry in /etc/fstab to mount it?
[19:20] <Guest31678> I tried to mount it using the recovery mode menu
[19:20] <phillw> has it mounted?
[19:20] <Guest31678> what can I try to do? Now I'm in root shell...
[19:21] <phillw> can you manually mount it?
[19:21] <Guest31678> how? :) Please be patient :)
[19:21] <phillw> do you have a # prompt?
[19:21] <Guest31678> yes
[19:22] <phillw> what does fdisk -l show?
[19:23] <Guest31678> on sdb there is this external HDD
[19:23] <Guest31678> so it's mounted, right?
[19:23] <phillw> not nessarily, fdisk is just saying it can 'see' it.
[19:23] <phillw> does mount command show it as mounted?
[19:25] <phillw> as an example mine shows as /dev/sdb3 on /home type ext4 (rw)
[19:27] <phillw> Guest31678: I'm sorry, I've got to go. What you need to do is edit the /etc/fstab file to automount what ever partition your /home is on when the computer boots.
[19:27] <andrea_> no problem, thanks :)
[19:28] <andrea_> how can I edit the fstab file?
[19:29] <phillw> fdisk -l will tell you the partiton (usually, but not always, /dev/sdb1).
[19:29] <phillw> then use the command nano /etc/fstab
[19:29] <andrea_> ok, thx :)
[19:29] <andrea_> I'll have a look
[19:29] <andrea_> I can always reinstall it
[19:29] <andrea_> since the /home is separate
[19:30] <phillw> use the existing entries as an example if it is /dev/sdb1 then it would be /dev/sdb      /home    /ext4    /default
[19:30] <phillw> re-installing will not help until you have edited fstab. Sorry... I've GTG getting shouted!
[19:31] <andrea_> please go, and thanks :)
[19:40] <andrea_> anyone else can help? Everything seems to be ok, but still it doesn't log in :/
[20:04] <defue> Hello everybody!
[20:04] <defue> Could someone please help me ...
[20:05] <defue> Is there is a way to set up keyboard bounce keys in Lubuntu the same way as it is done in XFCE or gnome?
[20:05] <defue> I mean to setup some interval that prevents double typing one letter
[20:55] <rawfodog> hey, I got a wacom tablet, it should work in ubuntu but it wont in lubuntu ?
[20:57] <bioterror> same drivers
[20:57] <rawfodog> hmm ...
[20:57] <rawfodog> maybe I need to restart ?
[20:57] <rawfodog> lol
[20:57] <rawfodog> In ubuntu there is a tablet dialog to configure it ...
[21:00] <rawfodog> restart didnt work
[21:00] <rawfodog> hmmm
[21:03] <phillw> rawfodog: have a look at http://www.techytalk.info/ubuntu-latest-wacom-tablet-driver-ppa/ and grab that driver.
[21:04] <phillw> it has instructions as to how to roll it back if it does not work.
[21:10] <rawfodog> cool thanks :D
[21:12] <phillw> rawfodog: do please report back how you get on.
[21:13] <rawfodog> sudo apt-get install dkms wacom-dkms
[21:13] <rawfodog> Reading package lists... Done
[21:13] <rawfodog> Building dependency tree
[21:13] <rawfodog> Reading state information... Done
[21:13] <rawfodog> E: Unable to locate package wacom-dkms
[21:13] <rawfodog> ;_;
[21:14] <phillw> did you add the ppa?
[21:17] <rawfodog> yup
[21:17] <rawfodog> copy and pasted
[21:17] <rawfodog> the code
[21:19] <phillw> rawfodog: hmmmm.... well, that was my best shot :(  Did the ppa add okay?
[21:20] <rawfodog> yup
[21:21] <rawfodog> I dont understand, ubuntu spedcifically advertises that tablets work on it now
[21:21] <rawfodog> I dont see why it wouldnt work with lubuntu
[21:21] <rawfodog> is it a gnome thing ?
[21:22] <phillw> it may be something missing in X for lubuntu.
[21:22] <rawfodog> like I can type in MAN WACOM and get the manual page ..
[21:22] <phillw> You may want to grab the X11 from http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/linuxwacom/index.php?title=Downloads
[21:22] <rawfodog> I think there is basically a SETTING that swtiches it on or off
[21:23] <rawfodog> I think the driver is here tho.
[21:23] <phillw> At least if you grab that, you can see if there is something that lubuntu do not ship.
[21:23] <rawfodog> I think there is a flag somewhere in some config file that is set to WACOM = off lol
[21:23] <phillw> the driver appears to be installed in the kernel, we use the standard ubuntu family kernel
[21:24] <rawfodog> yeah
[21:24] <rawfodog> But ubuntu has some GUI to turn the wacom on
[21:24] <rawfodog> So Im thinking "well, the man page is accessable, the driver IS installed, lsusb shows the wacom ..."
[21:24] <rawfodog> "So it must be some setting somewhere ..."
[21:26] <rawfodog> So if I can get that CONFIG utility that is in ubuntu for the wacom I think it will configure x11.conf for me
[22:03] <rtdos> what has a smaller footprint: xfce4 or lxde?
[22:09] <phillw> rtdos: lubuntu has a lower resource requirement than xubuntu.
[22:11] <rawfodog> no dice on the wacom tablet
[22:11] <rawfodog> that sucks
[22:11] <phillw> rawfodog: :(
[22:12] <rawfodog> it should work ...
[22:12] <phillw> not sure what is shipped in ubuntu that lubuntu does not.
[22:12] <rawfodog> I kno
[22:13] <rawfodog> Maybe Ill install ubuntu
[22:14] <phillw> rawfodog: I've found another ppa, if you're willing to try?
[22:14] <phillw> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/wacom-control-panel-easily-configure-wacom-tablet.html
[22:15] <rawfodog> oh yeah
[22:15] <rawfodog> I just want this to work heheh
[22:15] <phillw> In the past, I've found ubuntugeek to be very good on, well, geek stuff :P
[22:16] <phillw> with the ability to remove ppa's - you can always roll it back.
[22:17] <rawfodog> GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net oneiric Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 360D382BFC695405Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/yobbobandana/ppa/ubuntu/dists/oneiric/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found
[22:17] <rawfodog> Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/yobbobandana/ppa/ubuntu/dists/oneiric/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found
[22:17] <rawfodog> Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/yobbobandana/ppa/ubuntu/dists/oneiric/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found
[22:17] <rawfodog> Some index files failed to d
[22:17] <phillw> rawfodog: I've just fully read it. It appears outdated :(
[22:18] <phillw> ahh, maybe not then :)
[22:18] <rawfodog> That utility is what I need tho
[22:18] <phillw> you may just need the gpg key.... give me a moment
[22:18] <rawfodog> I need the same utility that is in ubuntu for lubuntu
[22:19] <phillw> try adding the key... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/KeyServerInformation
[22:20] <rawfodog> k
[22:20] <rawfodog> I added that
[22:20] <rawfodog> try again ?
[22:20] <phillw> yup.
[22:20] <rawfodog> I still get that error
[22:24] <rawfodog> im gonna try ubuntu live cd
[22:24] <rawfodog> maybe this new model of wacom doesnt even work
[22:24] <phillw> xsetwacom? ... http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/linuxwacom/index.php?title=Xsetwacom
[22:24] <phillw> maybe that's the little critter you need?
[22:25] <rawfodog> ill try it  :)
[22:25] <rawfodog> thanks for all the help by the way :)
[22:26] <phillw> that's from http://askubuntu.com/questions/76652/how-can-i-get-my-wacom-tablet-to-use-the-mouse-in-relative-touchpad-mode
[22:26] <rawfodog> E: Unable to locate package xsetwacom
[22:27] <rawfodog> brb
[22:58] <rawfodog> ubuntu liveCD wouldn't even load lol
[22:58] <rawfodog> so I guess this wacom isnt gonna work
[22:58] <rawfodog> so much for "wacom support"
[23:00] <holstein> yeah?.. its out of the box for me Fudge
[23:00] <holstein> Fudge: sorry...
[23:00] <holstein> rawfodog: ^^
[23:01] <rawfodog> Hmmm
[23:01] <rawfodog> holstein, your wacom works in lubuntu out of the box ?
[23:02] <holstein> rawfodog: i plugged it in in several buntu's and it worked
[23:02] <rawfodog> HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMm
[23:02] <rawfodog> interestting ...
[23:02] <holstein> lubuntu = ubuntu... same kernel and driver support
[23:02] <rawfodog> maybe cause Im on 64bit ?
[23:02]  * holstein shrugs
[23:02] <rawfodog> Yeah I know holstein , phil and I were talking about this earlier
[23:02] <holstein> nah... i tried it on 64bit 10.04 for sure
[23:02] <rawfodog> it should work
[23:02] <rawfodog> Ill try my other computer running lubuntu
[23:03] <rawfodog> maybe it will work on that
[23:03] <rawfodog> So, can you use it as a mouse pointer aswell ? or is it only active in a program ?
[23:03] <rawfodog> brb, trying on another lubuntu machine
[23:06] <rawfodog> lol holstein it doesnt work on my other computer
[23:06] <rawfodog> so maybe lubuntu is compatible with this model
[23:07] <rawfodog> or you are a liar ;)
[23:07] <kosaidpo> hello guys
[23:07] <holstein> rawfodog: when im near the actual hardware, i'll plug it in to whatever version of whatever you like
[23:07] <holstein> anyways.. good luck
[23:07] <kosaidpo> anyone here used heimdall before ??
[23:18] <rawfodog> phillw, holstein , think I found the problem. 11.04 doesn't have the drivers !
[23:20] <phillw> rawfodog: most odd.
[23:20] <rawfodog> sudo apt-get install wacom-dkms
[23:20] <rawfodog> whoops
[23:20] <rawfodog> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1860985&page=2
[23:20] <rawfodog> There is a work around but it's buggy etc.
[23:22] <phillw> rawfodog: what about the site from earlier that had the drivers?
[23:24] <micahg> gilir: are you sure the blueman patch is correct?
[23:24] <micahg> NotShowIn is enough to stop autostart
[23:24] <phillw> ahh, it doesn't - says they are built in.... now I AM confused!
[23:25] <gilir> micahg, it should, it's not the first autostart desktop file I fix this way
[23:25] <gilir> micahg, but I can double check it with a PPA
[23:26] <micahg> gilir: let me know, I'm planning to update to 1.23 this week to fix the main crash and some other bugs, I'll wait to include this as well
[23:26] <gilir> micahg, great thanks :)
[23:26] <micahg> gilir: BTW, you could just hand edit the file as well :)
[23:26] <gilir> micahg, any progress on lightdm-gtk-greeter ?
[23:27] <micahg> gilir: gah, yeah, it's on my list, but I have some updates I have to get out first tonight, should be in by beta 2 freeze
[23:27] <gilir> micahg, ok, but let me know if you are short in time, I can help on this
[23:28] <micahg> gilir: I just have to merge 2 source versions, one has the upgrade logic, one is based on Debian's svn branch
[23:30] <gilir> micahg, maybe just doing the logic one first, to please fondations people :) And do a proper merge / sync with Debian later
[23:31] <micahg> gilir: if I get stuck, I will do that, I replied that it'll be in by beta freeze to the release list and no one panicked, so I think I'm ok
[23:32] <gilir> release team never panic, or should never show it ;)
[23:33] <phillw> they're cool cookies :)


[21:29] <Griff|> Hmm
[21:29] <lord2800> I suspect it's something to do with the card it's trying to use in XBMC, now that I'm fiddling with options here--speaker-test -D hdmi works as the xbmc user
[21:29] <Griff|> What would be the mininum space i would want for booting the OS on an SSD?
[21:29] <AdityaRaj> hi
[21:29] <Griff|> I don't have much to play with.
[21:29] <gordonjcp> Griff|: 8GB ought to be plenty
[21:29] <oz0ne> if i am not to rusty, put /boot on a accessable none encypted. anyway i recommand reading the whole FAQ for LUKS at http://code.google.com/p/cryptsetup/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#2._Setup
[21:29] <AdityaRaj> i need some help with my ubuntu installation
[21:29] <SonikkuAmerica> !raid
[21:29] <gordonjcp> Griff|: especially if you stick /home on another drive
[21:30] <Griff|> Thanks
[21:30] <seynb> Griff: if you have encryption then you have to check your /etc/crypttab probably do an update-initramfs and make sure your grub config passes root=/dev/mapper/root_decrypted
[21:30] <Griff|> Yes
[21:30] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: What kind of help, sir?
[21:30] <Griff|> Oooh
[21:30] <AdityaRaj> i need to setup bootable stick but i am unable to format it with fat32
[21:30] <linuxuz3r> later
[21:30] <AdityaRaj> i have used the inbuilt device manager
[21:30] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: Device manager? Are you on Windows?
[21:30] <AdityaRaj> but ubootnetin does not seem to be able to detect my pen drive still
[21:30] <AdityaRaj> no
[21:30] <AdityaRaj> i am on ubuntu
[21:30] <AdityaRaj> i read somewhere that i need to use gparted maybe
[21:31] <gregor30051> does anybody use a wiimote under ubuntu?
[21:31] <AdityaRaj> but when i try to install gparted with aptget i get errors
[21:31] <Griff|> Thanks so much guys. Saving this chat.
[21:31] <seynb> AdityaRaj : can you do a sudo fdisk -l
[21:31] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: Can you !pastebin them for us?
[21:31] <AdityaRaj> sure
[21:31] <f00bar80> anybody can point me on how to automate servers' ssh remote access without using keys?
[21:31] <AdityaRaj> with the pen drive mounted ?
[21:31] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: Yes.
[21:32] <Shining_KoW210> Hey everyone
[21:32] <Shining_KoW210> I need help with TightVNC
[21:32] <irssi-mike> AdityaRaj: be careful with that, no long filenames
[21:33] <AdityaRaj> Disk /dev/sda: 1000.2 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>016 bytes
[21:33] <AdityaRaj> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 121601 cylinders
[21:33] <AdityaRaj> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[21:33] <AdityaRaj> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes
[21:33] <AdityaRaj> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes
[21:33] <FloodBot1> AdityaRaj: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:33] <AdityaRaj> Disk identifier: 0x0000ada3
[21:33] <SonikkuAmerica> !pastebin
[21:33] <Shining_KoW210> !pastebin
[21:33] <Shining_KoW210> Hmm
[21:33] <Shining_KoW210> !pastebin
[21:34] <Shining_KoW210> Hey everyone
[21:34] <SonikkuAmerica> Shining_KoW210: Once I !flag the bot, it doesn't do anything for ~15-20 seconds (to prevent spam).
[21:34] <SonikkuAmerica> (or anyone else)
[21:34] <Shining_KoW210> I just wasn't sure what it did.
[21:35] <AdityaRaj> Not sure if my message got through earlier.. guess i was blocked.. here is the paste url: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6160498/
[21:36] <AdityaRaj> SonikkuAmerica, u still there?
[21:36] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: Yep. Trying to read your pastebin.
[21:36] <AdityaRaj> thanks
[21:37] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: Is /dev/sdc your USB drive?
[21:38] <glycan> service lightdm start works, but doesn't let me log in
[21:38] <glycan> I soon as I log in successfully, it switches back to text then back to an non-logged-in graphical login screen
[21:40] <LeftCheekSneak> Is there a doctor in the house? :-)
[21:40] <Phantombrain> hello
[21:40] <Dr_Willis> Nope.
[21:40] <Dr_Willis> ;)
[21:41] <Phantombrain> ;)
[21:41] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: Hello?
[21:44] <glycan> chown glycan:glycan .Xauthority fixed it
[21:44] <LeftCheekSneak> Anyone know if you can you run Ubuntu 13.04 on a Commadore 64?
[21:45] <jhutchins> glycan: Good catch!
[21:45] <glycan> can you explain why?
[21:45] <LeftCheekSneak> I want to make it my pentest box.
[21:47] <SonikkuAmerica> LeftCheekSneak: I wish you much luck... Lubuntu 13.10 maybe, but don't count on it.
[21:47] <glycan> that was to jhutchins
[21:47] <SonikkuAmerica> LeftCheekSneak: Unless you want Ubuntu Server for a CLI
[21:47] <glycan> I'm running Lubuntu on a box with <1GB RAM
[21:49] <LeftCheekSneak> What you use that box for glycan?
[21:49] <glycan> coding, web
[21:49] <LeftCheekSneak> Cool
[21:50] <gordonjcp> I tried Lubuntu but it was quite buggy
[21:50] <gordonjcp> I'm using normal Ubuntu on a box with 1GB of RAM
[21:50] <glycan> really? I haven't seen anything at all so far
[21:50] <glycan> screen, links, irssi, finch, asciiview, vi and I'm mostly OK.
[21:50] <glycan> what do you use?
[21:51] <glycan> the graphical interface seems meh, though
[21:51] <gordonjcp> glycan: lxde crashes all the time when I run firefox
[21:51] <glycan> ...firefox?
[21:51] <Dr_Willis> cant say ive ever seen lxde crash on me
[21:51] <SonikkuAmerica> glycan: That's what Lubuntu is _for_ , really.
[21:51] <SonikkuAmerica> gordonjcp: Is that so? Innnnteresting.
[21:51] <glycan> SonikkuAmerica: what?
[21:51] <gordonjcp> glycan: yeah, I've never been able to reliably *cause* the crashes but they seem to be related to indications when a download finishes
[21:52] <SonikkuAmerica> glycan: Lubuntu is geared toward low-RAM systems.
[21:52] <gordonjcp> glycan: the firefox thing in the bar at the bottom flashes and won't stop flashing, and if you close firefox when it's doing that LXDE crashes
[21:52] <glycan> SonikkuAmerica: oh. well, yes, that's why I'm using it
[21:52] <gordonjcp> sometimes hard enough to take out X
[21:52] <SonikkuAmerica> glycan: :)
[21:52] <gordonjcp> it's also a bit greedy on memory
[21:52] <glycan> gordonjcp: why are you using firefox?
[21:52] <SonikkuAmerica> gordonjcp, glycan: With 13.10 comes zRAM support.
[21:53] <gordonjcp> glycan: because it's what I use
[21:53] <gordonjcp> glycan: and it's what you kind of need to check web pages in
[21:53] <glycan> oh, okay, web dev makes sense
[21:53] <gordonjcp> glycan: why, what do you use?
[21:53] <glycan> I wouldn't be using firefox at all for 1GB RAM
[21:54] <glycan> links
[21:54] <glycan> it's a console browser
[21:54] <AdityaRaj> SonikkuAmerica, sorry i guess i got disconnected
[21:54] <gordonjcp> glycan: okay, so not really usable then
[21:54] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: Don't worry, I'll pull up the case.
[21:54] <glycan> it does nearly everything I need it to do
[21:54] <gordonjcp> glycan: I know what links is, I just don't know why anyone would bother
[21:54] <lord2800> how can I find out what device speaker-test means when it says "default"?
[21:54] <glycan> gordonjcp: it does everything I want
[21:54] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: All right. From your output from [ lsusb ], is /dev/sdc your USB drive?
[21:54] <gordonjcp> glycan: firefox works just fine in less that 1GB
[21:55] <AdityaRaj> SonikkuAmerica, yes it is
[21:55] <glycan> really? huh
[21:55] <glycan> what can't you do in links?
[21:55] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: Open up a terminal
[21:55] <gordonjcp> glycan: I'm running a normal 12.04 on a machine with 512MB of RAM
[21:55] <AdityaRaj> ok
[21:55] <Dr_Willis> cant say ive had any real issues with lubuntu and firefox on my 1gb netbook.
[21:55] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: and [ sudo parted /dev/sdc ]
[21:55] <glycan> for me it's not so much as firefox or anything but the insurmountable lag of graphics in general
[21:56] <gordonjcp> glycan: you can't use github, you can't use youtube, you can't use facebook, twitter, it looks crap
[21:56] <glycan> yes, i can
[21:56] <glycan> dedicated stuff
[21:56] <glycan> fbcmd, finc for youtube
[21:56] <gordonjcp> glycan: I left all that textmode shit behind 30 years ago
[21:56] <glycan> finch*
[21:56] <AdityaRaj> SonikkuAmerica,  i am there
[21:56] <glycan> I mean for facebook. various console scripts for github
[21:56] <BlueProtoman> I'm nuking my Ubuntu installation and starting from scratch.  I'm repartitioning the space I originally gave to Ubuntu; I assume that my /home partition's mount point is /home, and my system's mount point is / (root)?
[21:56] <glycan> I assume that there's stuff for twitter and yotube sound
[21:57] <gordonjcp> BlueProtoman: yes
[21:57] <Dr_Willis> BlueProtoman:  yes. '/' is called the root of the filesystem
[21:57] <gordonjcp> glycan: yes, just use a normal browser
[21:57] <glycan> normal browser = graphics
[21:57] <Dr_Willis> BlueProtoman:  dont forget your swap partition also. ;)
[21:57] <BlueProtoman> Dr_Willis: How much space would you give to the system, if I originally had 450GB allocated to 13.04?
[21:57] <glycan> graphics = can't mutlitask
[21:57] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: How big do you want your partition to be?
[21:57] <gordonjcp> correct
[21:57] <BlueProtoman> Dr_Willis: Yep, 6 gigs, equal to my RAM.
[21:57] <gordonjcp> glycan: why can't graphics "multitask"?
[21:58] <glycan> because everything slows down to a crawl
[21:58] <gordonjcp> BlueProtoman: you can fit an install into about 8GB, but you really want more
[21:58] <Dr_Willis> BlueProtoman:  depends on your needs.  perhaps 50 for / if you want to be  sure you never run out. rest for home and swap.  for 6gb of ram. You really only need 6+gb of swap if you plan on using that suspend-to-ram stuff.
[21:58] <gordonjcp> glycan: then your system is too old, or broken
[21:58] <Dr_Willis> ive filled up 30gb / befor. ;)
[21:58] <AdityaRaj> i dont really care about that
[21:59] <gordonjcp> glycan: come and have some 512MB P4 machines, free for the taking.  They run normal Unity desktop just fine
[21:59] <AdityaRaj> SonikkuAmerica, it is a 32gb drive i can use it whole
[21:59] <AdityaRaj> i want to make it a bootable pendrive to install ubuntu on my laptop
[21:59] <glycan> free?
[21:59] <glycan> o.0
[21:59] <gordonjcp> glycan: oh okay
[21:59] <gordonjcp> glycan: haul away four and I'll pay your petrol
[21:59] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: To span the whole USB stick, type in >>> mkpartfs primary fat32 0 32768
[21:59] <glycan> is this like a free-as-in-liberty kind of thing?
[22:00] <Dr_Willis> but he lives on the south pole. ;)
[22:00] <gordonjcp> glycan: this is free-as-in-get-the-damn-things-out-of-my-workshop thing
[22:00] <glycan> oh
[22:00] <gordonjcp> glycan: they are not, however inexpensive-as-in-won't-guzzle-electricity
[22:00] <AdityaRaj> SonikkuAmerica, i get Error: The location 32768 is outside of the device /dev/sdc.
[22:00] <glycan> heh. In all honesty, I've grown to prefer this to what lubuntu looks like
[22:01] <AdityaRaj> there is already a partition there
[22:01] <AdityaRaj> maybe we need to delete that first?
[22:01] <glycan> and I can always just turn on graphics to watch moveis or whatever
[22:01] <glycan> movies*
[22:01] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: Oh! No need to delete it...
[22:01] <gordonjcp> glycan: here's a funny one
[22:01] <glycan> gordonjcp: pardon?
[22:01] <gordonjcp> glycan: open two terminals, and then open the settings panel in LXDE
[22:01] <gordonjcp> glycan: change the window manager theme in LXDE
[22:02] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: Simply change the filesystem type with >>> mkfs 1 fat32
[22:02] <gordonjcp> glycan: change it a few times, in fact
[22:02] <gordonjcp> glycan: what has happened to the terminals?
[22:02] <glycan> is this supposed to be a lubuntu-is-buggy thing?
[22:02] <BlueProtoman> Dr_Willis: Is it a problem if the swap size is *just under* 6GB (my RAM)?
[22:02] <gordonjcp> glycan: it's a bug that's been there for three years
[22:03] <LeftCheekSneak> I never heard of lunbuntu, going to have to look into it.
[22:03] <SonikkuAmerica> LeftCheekSneak: www.lubuntu.net
[22:03] <AdityaRaj> i got invalid token 1
[22:03] <irssi-mike> gordonjcp: just gonna say about firefox, i'm on 1gb ram, give midori a try
[22:03] <LeftCheekSneak> Thank you SonikkuAmerica
[22:04] <gordonjcp> irssi-mike: midori doesn't really work well
[22:04] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: type >>> quit <<< then reinvoke it with [ sudo parted /dev/sdc1 ] and see what happens.
[22:05] <LeftCheekSneak> Soni, from what I just read, it sounds like it would be a perfert port for a raspberrypi.
[22:05] <AdityaRaj> SonikkuAmerica, i got invalid token 1
[22:05] <Dr_Willis> BlueProtoman:  only if you want to use that suspend to ram stuff. *i never use that feature*  so i can get by with veyr lkittle swap on my mahcines
[22:05] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: Did you exit parted?
[22:06] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: And reinvoke it for /dev/sdc1
[22:06] <SonikkuAmerica> ?
[22:06] <BlueProtoman> Dr_Willis: I do plan on using it, but I want to be sure that being a few megabytes shy doesn't botch it all up, as getting the exact amounts right is a pain.
[22:06] <Dr_Willis> BlueProtoman:  if you plan on using it - you want to  use ram+a little bit more  i imagine
[22:06] <AdityaRaj> SonikkuAmerica,  no i did not i am still on that console only
[22:06] <Dr_Willis> since if may totally fail if its less then ram size
[22:06] <jmgk> hmm
[22:07] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: Go ahead and quit parted (type "quit") and reinvoke parted for /dev/sdc1 : [ sudo parted /dev/sdc1 ]
[22:07] <BlueProtoman> Dr_Willis: What's "a little bit more", half a gig?  A quarter?
[22:07] <Dr_Willis> 256 mb to 512 id say
[22:08] <BlueProtoman> 512 it is.
[22:08] <Dr_Willis> I dont even think i have swap on this 8gb machine.
[22:08] <Guest53284> So when i want to scroll on a page i just push my cursor to the right side of the screen and click and drag, only problem is if you're really on the edge you can't select the scroll bar, is there any way to fix?
[22:08] <AdityaRaj> SonikkuAmerica, Error: Could not stat device /dev/sdc1 - No such file or directory.
[22:09] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: OK, then we're doing it right... [ sudo parted -l ] please.
[22:09] <BlueProtoman> Dr_Willis: Does Linux run faster if I order the /home, system, and swap partitions in a certain way?
[22:10] <Dr_Willis> BlueProtoman:  i doubt if it will matter in any measureable way.  Having them on differnt hard drives can help ;)  but i doubt if it will be very noticeable for most desktop-ussage-cases
[22:10] <BlueProtoman> Dr_Willis: What would you say is not in "most", out of curiosity?
[22:10] <Dr_Willis> BlueProtoman:  years ago having swap across differnt hard drives was a common trick. but these days - people use swap less and less
[22:11] <AdityaRaj> SonikkuAmerica, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6160601/
[22:11] <Dr_Willis> BlueProtoman:  you doing anything weird with the system? or just daily common tasks.. if you want the best speed boost.  get a SSD drive. ;)
[22:11] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: There isn't even a partition on /dev/sdc .
[22:12] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: We need to make one. Type >>> mkpartfs primary fat32 0 32767
[22:12] <BlueProtoman> Dr_Willis: Coding games doesn't count as "weird", so I supposed not.  Just trying to be sure, as I want to get this right now rather than later.
[22:12] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: NOTE THE DIFFERENCE!
[22:13] <AdityaRaj> SonikkuAmerica, still got the same error: Error: The location 32767 is outside of the device /dev/sdc.
[22:13] <BlueProtoman> Dr_Willis: One more thing.  When I removed the old Ubuntu partition in the partitioner, an NTFS partition on my drive (which I gave to Windows, but not for system files) took on the Ubuntu label in the "System" column.  Is that something I should be concerned about?
[22:14] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: You said before you had repo issues trying to install GParted.
[22:15] <AdityaRaj> yes
[22:15] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: Mind a pastebin of [ sudo apt-get update ]
[22:15] <SonikkuAmerica> ?
[22:15] <AdityaRaj> SonikkuAmerica, su
[22:15] <AdityaRaj> SonikkuAmerica, sure
[22:16] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: While you do that, I am going to head to a cafe. I'll be back in a moment.
[22:20] <kemmis> hey
[22:21] <jmgk> hello
[22:24] <AdityaRaj> SonikkuAmerica, here you go: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6160623/
[22:24] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: Thank you for waiting.
[22:24] <AdityaRaj> SonikkuAmerica, where else could i go..
[22:24] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: Good point. Well, I have some good news and some bad news.
[22:26] <Heeeeelp> hello
[22:26] <AdityaRaj> ok
[22:26] <Heeeeelp> can someone assist me in something
[22:26] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: Do you want to bat first or bowl first? (Good news or bad news?)
[22:27] <Heeeeelp> yes
[22:27] <AdityaRaj> SonikkuAmerica, bad news first please
[22:27] <gordonjcp> !help | Heeeeelp
[22:27] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: The bad news is, since Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty) is dead, its repos are no longer active.
[22:28] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: Therefore, you have an impossible situation in terms of fetching stuff from the server.
[22:28] <AdityaRaj> ok
[22:28] <AdityaRaj> and what is the good news?
[22:28] <daftykins> i think you can get to old repos
[22:28] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: Are you using Ubuntu proper (with Unity)?
[22:28] <daftykins> AdityaRaj: you get to upgrade? 8D
[22:28] <BlueProtoman> Dr_Willis?
[22:29] <peyam> hi
[22:29] <Heeeeelp> trying to install ubuntu and coming into a serious issue. I get past the partition screen and it tells me that I cant do anything until I remove the cddrive
[22:29] <AdityaRaj> SonikkuAmerica, i am not sure i know how to answer that
[22:29] <peyam> I need a lightweight video recorder. Does anybody know?
[22:29] <ikonia> Heeeeelp: i'm sure it doesn't say that
[22:29] <ikonia> Heeeeelp: why don't you take a screen shot
[22:29] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: The thing with the top bar and the icons on the left side of the screen.
[22:29] <AdityaRaj> daftykins, i do not update.. i installed it once and then i ignore the updates
[22:29] <Dr_Willis> BlueProtoman:  sorry. i got to head to work. be back in about an hr or so.
[22:30] <Heeeeelp> i cant take a screenshot
[22:30] <AdityaRaj> i guess it used to be there but i closed that
[22:30] <daftykins> AdityaRaj: to a newer version i mean... also i said upgrade not update
[22:30] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: I'll tell ya right now, what you said to daftykins - bad idea.
[22:30] <Dr_Willis> peyam:  to record from what :) I use cheese to record from my webcam/video capture device.. good luck.
[22:30] <ikonia> Heeeeelp: why not ?
[22:30] <peyam> for my camera
[22:30] <AdityaRaj> SonikkuAmerica, well i live in the fear of breaking things after update
[22:31] <Heeeeelp> trying to install ubuntu and coming into a serious issue. I get past the partition screen and it tells me that I cant do anything until I remove the cddrive
[22:31] <daftykins> AdityaRaj: i take it you don't do anything online that would make you unsafe with that outdated system?
[22:31] <Heeeeelp> sorry about repost
[22:31] <ikonia> Heeeeelp: yes, I told you, it's doubtful it's saying that, please take a screen shot or explain why you can't
[22:31] <Heeeeelp> i copied and pasted the same thing hold on
[22:31] <peyam> Heeeeelp: do you follow the installation steps as explained on the website?
[22:32] <peyam> Heeeeelp: how do you install ubuntu? CD?Usb?
[22:32] <Heeeeelp> CD
[22:32] <Heeeeelp> i followed exactly
[22:32] <AdityaRaj> daftykins, i do a lot of things online.. infact i am 24x7 online
[22:32] <Heeeeelp> but they leave out the problem parts :P
[22:33] <AdityaRaj> daftykins,  no you are scaring me
[22:33] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: I asked if you used Ubuntu mainly because I want to point you to the right image.
[22:33] <daftykins> AdityaRaj: this is really not a wise move, if you don't mind me saying so
[22:33] <Heeeeelp> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1237721 this is my issue
[22:33] <AdityaRaj> SonikkuAmerica, mainly ?
[22:33] <Heeeeelp> his problem is simular to mine
[22:34] <BlueProtoman> Which partition should I install the device bootloader on when installing Ubuntu?
[22:34] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: Or did you want GNOME, KDE, XFCE, LXDE...?
[22:34] <daftykins> BlueProtoman: /dev/sda if there's one disk and only ubuntu, no other OS
[22:34] <AdityaRaj> SonikkuAmerica, i am so sorry but i dont even know the difference
[22:34] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: My point being, you need to release upgrade.
[22:34] <AdityaRaj> ok
[22:34] <peyam> Heeeeelp: choose ext3 as explained in the link you just posted
[22:35] <ikonia> Heeeeelp: and you're booting from a cdrom - not a usb ?
[22:35] <BlueProtoman> daftykins: I dual-boot Ubuntu and Windows 7.  I have Ubuntu now, but I'm reinstalling it.
[22:35] <Heeeeelp> for all of them
[22:35] <Heeeeelp> ext 4 isnt better?
[22:35] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: Head for www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop and pick either Ubuntu 12.04 LTS or Ubuntu 13.04 (I'd recommend the former for you).
[22:35] <daftykins> BlueProtoman: so what's on the disk right now?
[22:35] <ikonia> ext4 is better, yes
[22:35] <peyam> Heeeeelp: never used ext3 but it might help
[22:35] <ikonia> (for your needs)
[22:36] <Heeeeelp> they why can i not use ext4 then i would rather
[22:36] <AdityaRaj> SonikkuAmerica, but i wont be able to use it !!
[22:36] <ikonia> the file system on your machine is not really important, it seems to suggest you're trying to partition the cdrom
[22:36] <AdityaRaj> as i would again need to make a bootable drive and i cant
[22:36] <ikonia> Heeeeelp: can you please take a screen shot of the partition screen
[22:36] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: I don't understand... what do you mean you won't be able to use it?
[22:36] <AdityaRaj> i already have image for 12.04
[22:36] <BlueProtoman> daftykins: A Windows 7 partition (ntfs), an NTFS partition I made for Windows 7 (that contains no system files), and at present an Ubuntu partition with  swap, plus some miscellaneous partitions for system restore, bootup, etc.
[22:36] <Heeeeelp> I have now way of doing that
[22:36] <Heeeeelp> it freezes at that point
[22:36] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: Press the Windows logo key and type in "startup disk creator"
[22:37] <AdityaRaj> SonikkuAmerica, i cant burn a disc , dont have a dvd writter.. so i need to make a bootable pen drive
[22:37] <ikonia> Heeeeelp: don't actually press the click that makes the message appear, just get a screen shot of the partitioner layout pleaes
[22:37] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: That's what Startup Disk Creator does.
[22:37] <Heeeeelp> i can take a picture with my phone
[22:37] <Heeeeelp> thats about it
[22:38] <ikonia> Heeeeelp: if you press print screen it should take a screen shot
[22:38] <AdityaRaj> SonikkuAmerica, i dont have a cd drive on my system
[22:38] <Heeeeelp> and then what...the computer doesnt have any folders or anything to do that
[22:38] <Heeeeelp> I do not have any operating system
[22:39] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: The Startup Disk Creator is for creating bootable USB pendrives with Linux OSes.
[22:39] <ikonia> Heeeeelp: the livecd your installing from is the operating system
[22:39] <AdityaRaj> can you give me a link to the startup disk creator
[22:39] <daftykins> BlueProtoman: does it have the ~100MB boot partition in front of C: for win7?
[22:39] <AdityaRaj> SonikkuAmerica, i have been using ubootnetin to no resolve
[22:39] <BlueProtoman> daftykins: Yes.
[22:39] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: In a terminal, [ usb-creator-gtk & ]
[22:40] <daftykins> BlueProtoman: i'd have thought on that would work
[22:40] <BlueProtoman> daftykins: I don't have any issues at present with Ubuntu and Windows 7.  I'm just trying to keep it that way by making sure.
[22:40] <BlueProtoman> daftykins: So installing to /dev/sda; yes or no?
[22:40] <AdityaRaj> SonikkuAmerica,  would 11.04 lts iso work
[22:41] <ikonia> !away > AndresSM_away
[22:41] <daftykins> BlueProtoman: it's not like it can't be undone either way :)
[22:41] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: 11.04 (a) is no longer supported and (b) wasn't an LTS.
[22:41] <AdityaRaj> sorry, you must think i am fool
[22:41] <SonikkuAmerica> !11.04
[22:41] <BlueProtoman> daftykins: But my question.  Which partition should I install the bootloader on?
[22:41] <AdityaRaj> so which version do you recommend me to download?
[22:41] <daftykins> i thought i'd answered that
[22:42] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: 12.04 LTS.
[22:42] <BlueProtoman> daftykins: You did?
[22:42] <AdityaRaj> ok going to download that now and install it fresh on my machine.. see you after that
[22:42] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: All right...
[22:42] <AdityaRaj> SonikkuAmerica, for how long are you around?
[22:43] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: All night, hopefully...
[22:43] <AdityaRaj> SonikkuAmerica, do you work with ubuntu support?
[22:44] <BlueProtoman> daftykins: So, /dev/sda then?
[22:44] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: That's what this channel is for. Type !volunteer in your chat window.
[22:44] <AdityaRaj> !volunteer
[22:45] <daftykins> BlueProtoman: ja
[22:45] <BlueProtoman> daftykins: Got it.  Thank you so much.
[22:45] <AdityaRaj> SonikkuAmerica, <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about volunteer
[22:45] <SonikkuAmerica> Err... hmm...
[22:45] <SonikkuAmerica> !volunteers
[22:46] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: And we come from all walks of life... from high-school to retirement.
[22:46] <AdityaRaj> well i cant appreciate all the help u r doing here.. good work SonikkuAmerica keep it up
[22:46] <SonikkuAmerica> ?!
[22:46] <daftykins> lol
[22:47] <daftykins> that's like the time my German housemates visited one of my friends and said "thank you for the hostility"
[22:47] <mattwj2002> hi guys
[22:47] <daftykins> SonikkuAmerica: it's ok, *I* appreciate you :(
[22:47] <daftykins> mattwj2002: hi what's up?
[22:47] <SonikkuAmerica> daftykins: :>
[22:47] <mattwj2002> my system was off when I got home
[22:48] <daftykins> sorry i tripped over the mains
[22:48] <mattwj2002> is there a way to tell why it was off?
[22:48] <mattwj2002> haha daftykins
[22:48] <mattwj2002> is there a way to tell if it was a graceful shutdown or not?
[22:48] <AdityaRaj> SonikkuAmerica, i am usually always confused which iso to pick 32 or 64, is there a way to fnd out which one will work for me?
[22:49] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: pastebin [ uname -a ]
[22:50] <jrib> mattwj2002: is your alarm clock blinking?
[22:50] <AdityaRaj> SonikkuAmerica, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6160703/
[22:50] <mattwj2002> yes jrib but it has been blinking for over a month
[22:50] <mattwj2002> :P
[22:50] <SonikkuAmerica> AdityaRaj: You'll need a 32-bit image (the 64-bit one won't work on your machine.)
[22:51] <SonikkuAmerica> jrib: Is your refrigerator running?
[22:51]  * mattwj2002 runs and catches it
[22:51] <jrib> SonikkuAmerica: why yes it is, why do you ask!?
[22:51] <mattwj2002> I don't think it was a power outage
[22:51]  * daftykins watches the channel donning their Sherlock Holmes deerstalker hats
[22:51] <mattwj2002> my tv didn't give me a time error
[22:51] <SonikkuAmerica> You're lucky mattwj2002 caught it for you jrib
[22:51] <mattwj2002> :P
[22:52] <jrib> my grilled cheese sandwich thanks you, mattwj2002
[22:52] <AdityaRaj> SonikkuAmerica,  thanks
[22:52] <jrib> mattwj2002: try checking /var/log/syslog and dmesg
[22:52] <Heeeeelp> It says /dev/sda1     ext4    /   format yes    5119mb     unknown
[22:53] <lonewulf85> !offtopic
[22:53] <Heeeeelp> It says /dev/sda1     ext4    /   format yes    5119mb     unknown
[22:53] <Heeeeelp> i hate this copy paste thing
[22:53] <Heeeeelp> im not on the coputer to take a screenshot
[22:54] <lonewulf85> If I wanted to display a list in human readable long format of all the files that started with the character H in the computers root directory what would be the command I need to issue to complete this action?
[22:54] <ikonia> lonewulf85: it's for ubuntu related support as you said
[22:54] <mattwj2002> thanks jrib
[22:54] <mattwj2002> jrib I have a grill cheese if you want one
[22:54] <mattwj2002> :)
[22:54] <ikonia> lonewulf85: that is shell scripting
[22:54] <ikonia> lonewulf85: or bash
[22:54] <lonewulf85> !bash
[22:55] <wylde> lonewulf85: I bet they'd have a good idea over in #bash
[23:00] <peyam> Hi
[23:01] <peyam> Chese freez when I want to capture a cideo from my webcam
[23:01] <Vivekananda> hello everyone back but with a problems
[23:04] <agliodbs> there appears to be no way to delete wireless networks from my list without connecting to that network first
[23:05] <Vivekananda> I initially installed lubuntu and then the ubuntu-desktop. I have a primary ntfs , an extended with ubuntu in it and a third ntfs partition. When trying to change a .sh script to executable or double clicking on it  it does not run. also chmod does not work. I have tried to do this -- http://askubuntu.com/questions/11840/how-to-chmod-on-an-ntfs-or-fat32-partition   ( I tried the 8 hits options) but as a result I got two mount p
[23:05] <Vivekananda> oints of the same name but still no chmod options
[23:05] <Vivekananda> what should I do now ?
[23:05] <agliodbs> as in there's no way to edit the list of networks
[23:05] <miaqinas> good morning
[23:07] <Vivekananda> hello
[23:08] <CoderGirl42> HI is there anyone that can help me determine a good backup solution?
[23:09] <CoderGirl42> I'd like to be able to make an image of my system with all of the installed programms and burn that to a disk, anyone have any suggestions?
[23:10] <daftykins> !backup | CoderGirl42
[23:14] <Vivekananda> hello anyone can gimme ny clue to my problem
[23:14] <Vivekananda> I initially installed lubuntu and then the ubuntu-desktop. I have a primary ntfs , an extended with ubuntu in it and a third ntfs partition. When trying to change a .sh script to executable or double clicking on it  it does not run. also chmod does not work. I have tried to do this -- http://askubuntu.com/questions/11840/how-to-chmod-on-an-ntfs-or-fat32-partition   ( I tried the 8 hits options) but as a result I got two mount p
[23:14] <Vivekananda> oints of the same name but still no chmod options
[23:15] <dr_willis> you trying to chmid a file on a ntfs partition?
[23:17] <nicu_> yo
[23:17] <Vivekananda> dr_willis: hello :)
[23:17] <Vivekananda> and yes I am trying to make a script executable which is at present on a ntfs partitions
[23:17] <Vivekananda> partition*
[23:18] <dr_willis> so you will basically  mount the ntfs  - with the options that make EVErY file on the ntfs executable.
[23:18] <dr_willis> thats the fmask=0000 option i   think.
[23:19] <dr_willis> i seem to recall the ntfs-3g homepage/faq/guides having some dettails on this. normally i dont ever want the files on my ntfs to be edecutable
[23:19] <dr_willis> of course even if they are not  executable you could still do a   'bash ./whatver.sh'
[23:19] <Vivekananda> dr_willis: if you look above I tried to do that according to the askubuntu link I posted. but after trying that and rebooting what I have is just one folder under /media called yojimbo and it has been mounted but
[23:20] <Vivekananda> I see another folder named 'Yojimbo' also. on a double click it says --- Mount is denied because the NTFS volume is already exclusively opened.he volume may be already mounted, or another software may use it which
[23:20] <Vivekananda> could be identified for example by the help of the 'fuser' command.
[23:21] <dr_willis> Vivekananda:  i would unmount it . then give us the mount command or fstab line you are using.
[23:21] <dr_willis> sounds like the fstab entry and the nautilus auto mounting stuff are fighting. id stick to the shell for now to verify it is mounting how you want
[23:22] <Vivekananda> okay let me do it. But just so you know there is just one of the 'yojimbos' mounted and the other is not
[23:22] <dr_willis> id use a differnt name for the mountpoint also.  like /mnt/MyDrive
[23:22] <dr_willis> the automounting system gets the mountpoint name from the disks label.
[23:23] <Vivekananda> https://gist.github.com/vvikramjhu/6722004
[23:23] <Vivekananda> dr_willis: in that case I will delete the label as one is enough isnt it ?
[23:24] <dr_willis> you could have just pasted the single line for the ntfs-3g device. ;)
[23:24] <dr_willis> ive never seen the 'permissions' option used in fstab like that.. may be a new ntfs-3g option ive never heard of.
[23:24] <dr_willis> OR it could be  incorrect option.
[23:25] <Vivekananda> here is what you see on my desktop now ( after unmounting) http://imagebin.org/272030
[23:25] <dr_willis> id change the  fstab to be like     mounting to /media/TestDrive    and  try the fmask=0000 option
[23:26] <Vivekananda> dr_willis: could you gimme the full command ?
[23:26] <Vivekananda> also should I delete the label for now ?
[23:26] <dr_willis> what 'label' are you refering to?
[23:26] <dr_willis> the Label is  the name on the filesystem. You dont just delete it.
[23:26] <miaqinas> hi dr willis..hw about u now?
[23:27] <dr_willis> paste that ntfs-3g fstab entry here for others to see.. they may notice any other issues with it. Im on my phone so its hard ro me to jump back and forth btween browsers and the irc
[23:28] <Vivekananda> I mean that while using the gparted I had put a 'label' on the ntfs drive and it was 'Yojimbo'. After that I included that fstab line I showed you with the exact same string as mountpoint ie 'Yojimbo'. But now I get two 'Yojimbo' as you see in the screenshot
[23:28] <Vivekananda> okay hold on
[23:28] <Vivekananda> UUID=41B9013F54905221 /media/Yojimbo ntfs-3g auto,users,permissions 0 0
[23:29] <Vivekananda> but why am I having this issue now
[23:29] <Vivekananda> did not have it before
[23:29] <Vivekananda> should I format the partiiton to ext3 or 4 ?
[23:29] <Vivekananda> this is killing valuable time for me
[23:30] <dr_willis> ive never seen the 'permissions' option EVER mentioned in the ntfs-3g docs.
[23:30] <dr_willis> where did you read about that option?
[23:30] <dr_willis> typical ntfs-3g entry for me would be ...
[23:31] <dr_willis> sudo mount -t ntfs -o fmask=0022,dmask=0000,uid=1000,gid=1000 DRIVE /media/vista
[23:31] <dr_willis> in fstab terms
[23:31] <dr_willis>   /dev/sda1  /media/thedrive  ntfs-3g   uid=1000,fmask=0022,dmask=0000  0 0
[23:31] <dr_willis> i tink.
[23:32] <Vivekananda> dr_willis I followed this ---http://askubuntu.com/questions/11840/how-to-chmod-on-an-ntfs-or-fat32-partition
[23:32] <Vivekananda> I went to the choice with 8 hits
[23:32] <Vivekananda> okay
[23:32] <Vivekananda> let me try that
[23:33] <dr_willis> i think the CORE of the issue is  that example is using  the word 'permissions' to mean 'You set the permission options how you want'   not the literal word 'permissions
[23:33] <dr_willis> because EVERY other example shows using the umask,fmask, and dmask options
[23:34] <dr_willis> unless anyone else has ever seen ntfs-3g use a 'permissions' option?
[23:34] <dr_willis> i gott a meeting to go to.. bck in about 20 min
[23:35] <Vivekananda> okay but
[23:35] <Vivekananda> what do I do about the second Yojimbo?
[23:35] <Vivekananda> how do I remove that ?
[23:38] <ukd1> How good is ubuntu on a macbook pro retina? Do external thunderbolt displays work?
[23:38] <ikonia> ukd1: thunderbolt = nope, retina = not great
[23:38] <ukd1> *by good I mean, supported; wifi, drivers, sleep etc.
[23:38] <ukd1> ok
[23:39] <ukd1> ikonia, any idea what works and doesn't?
[23:39] <daftykins> last i read, any thunderbolt usage causes mass CPU load that renders the OS unusable
[23:39] <ikonia> ukd1: there is a page on the wiki, but in general thunderbolt displays, no, I'm currently trying to get something out of a thinkpad with thunderbolt display,
[23:40] <ikonia> daftykins: I'm not seeing that at all, I'm seeing a real lack of actual supported device identification
[23:40] <ukd1> ikonia, ok! It's a shame as I'd rather be running ubuntu, but I have 2x thunderbolt so would be a waste.
[23:40] <ukd1> you having any luck with the thinkpad?
[23:40] <MoleMan> Could someone help me work out why my system doesn't resume from hibernate? I have set the resume= tag in Grub,might it be related to the swap being encrypted? the ouput from blikd for the swap is "/dev/mapper/cryptswap1: (blahblah)", using 13.04, with partitions automatically setup by Ubuntu during install
[23:40] <loa> how i can downgrade chrome?
[23:40] <ikonia> ukd1: funny, thats why I've been playing with it too.
[23:40] <MoleMan> ikonia: will recreating just the partition work? or would it be easier to just reinstall completely considering I only installed the other day and don't have much set up
[23:40] <ikonia> ukd1: no, thunderbolt in general, not mac/other platform seems to be th eproblem
[23:41] <ukd1> what's needed for it to work?
[23:41] <ukd1> ok
[23:41] <ikonia> MoleMan: I'd do a clean unencypted setup, then move forward
[23:41] <ikonia> ukd1: at the moment, I don't think it's possible/supported from my research,
[23:41] <ikonia> ukd1: I've only been playing with it for a few days though, so I've not done/tried everything yet
[23:42] <MoleMan> so if I choose to encrypt my home dir, does that trigger the swap to be encrypted as well? I chose to encrypt my home dir but never saw an option for the SWAP
[23:42] <ikonia> ukd1: research suggests it's a total none working situation
[23:42] <ikonia> MoleMan: I would do totally unencypted to validate
[23:42] <ikonia> MoleMan: then move forward from there
[23:42] <MoleMan> okay
[23:43] <daftykins> ikonia: oh well if you're not seeing it... ;)
[23:44] <ikonia> daftykins: I'm not seeing much else though to be honest
[23:46] <daftykins> ikonia: i think this was with a thunderbolt display come to think of it, may've been old too
[23:46] <Heeeeelp> the installer needs to commit changes to partition tables,
[23:47] <ttyS1> how can I speed up copying a file from one internal SATA disc to another internal SATA disc. Is currently copying at 23MB/s using Nautilus. This seems painfully slow.
[23:47] <pozori> are ther any better diagram editors than Dia ?
[23:49] <Heeeeelp> the installer needs to commit changes to partition tables, but cannot do so because partitions on the following could not be unmounted      /cdrom
[23:49] <Heeeeelp> what does this mean
[23:50] <ikonia> Heeeeelp: it means it's trying to unmount /cdrom - which can't happen as your live OS is running from the cdrom
[23:51] <Heeeeelp> i still run into issues without the live
[23:54] <_____> all terminal gives me is '?'
[23:54] <ikonia> _____: please ask a proper question if you want help
[23:54] <bwayne> pozori: I like LucidChat (web) and yEd.
[23:54] <_____> when I type something in terminal all I get back from it is '?'
[23:55] <_____> what do I do so it actually gives me something useful
[23:55] <ikonia> _____: that suggests your not in a shell
[23:55] <bwayne> sounds like ed
[23:55] <_____> how do I go into a shell
[23:55] <ikonia> _____: how are you opening a terminal ?
[23:55] <_____> im clicking it from the start menu
[23:55] <ikonia> what does the prompt look like
[23:56] <Vivekananda> my gnome ubuntu 12.04 on high resolution is very small
[23:56] <_____> owner@owner
[23:56] <Vivekananda> I want to make things bigger
[23:56] <_____> thats all
[23:56] <Vivekananda> how do I do that ?
[23:56] <ikonia> what happens if you type "id" and hit enter
[23:57] <_____> then I get GUI UID etc
[23:57] <bwayne> Vivekananda: decreasing the resolution might work.
[23:57] <ikonia> _____: ok, so then you're in a valid shell
[23:57] <ikonia> _____: what are you typing that gives you "?"
[23:57] <Heeeeelp> inonia-- same issue when im regular installing as the live installing
[23:57] <Vivekananda> bwayne: but isnt that kind of the wrong way to goo
[23:57] <Vivekananda> higher resolution is good
[23:57] <linuxuz3r> hi so they going to replace xorg with wayland
[23:57] <_____> clearm cls, clr, sudo apt-get purge
[23:58] <Vivekananda> can I not increase just the font of everything somehow
[23:58] <ikonia> _____: they are not valid commands
[23:58] <_____> im trying to remove samba3
[23:58] <_____> and its doing my HEAD in
[23:58] <ikonia> _____: what happens if you type "uname -a"
[23:58] <_____> linux owner 3.8.0 generic blah blah
[23:58] <ikonia> _____: ok, so the enviornment is also valid
[23:59] <_____> ok
[23:59] <bwayne> Vivekananda: perhaps "Universal access" > Change font size.
[23:59] <Heeeeelp> iknoia how would i solve the issue above
[23:59] <ikonia> _____: can you pastebin the output of "uname -a" and "id" so I can see the state of your system/shell
[23:59] <_____> not easily no
[23:59] <ikonia> why not?
[23:59] <_____> sorry


[10:36] <openstackgerrit> Claudiu Popa proposed stackforge/cloud-init: Add an API for loading a data source  https://review.openstack.org/209520
[12:21] <openstackgerrit> Claudiu Popa proposed stackforge/cloud-init: Add an API for loading a data source  https://review.openstack.org/209520


[22:11] <nikias> anyone around?
[22:16] <nikias> so I'm try to write an upstart job for usbmuxd. but it hangs on start.
[22:17] <nikias> it does 2 forks (also verified with what cookbook 6.12.4 says) so I use expect daemon but it doesn't work...
[22:19] <nikias> <IP_ADDRESS>   When start hangs states what do to but at point 4 it doesn't say usbmuxd stop/waiting but instead usbmuxd start/running
[22:19] <nikias> job: http://pastie.org/8621969
[22:20] <nikias> any tips would be appreciated.


[08:40] <zetheroo> according to this ' The production Launchpad.net site runs on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS' - is this still true? https://dev.launchpad.net/Running
[08:45] <zetheroo> what I would really like to know is if a launchpad setup can be run on 14.04 or even 16.04
[09:17] <cjwatson> zetheroo: Yes, it's still true at the moment for various reasons, but at least 14.04 should mostly work.
[09:22] <zetheroo> cjwatson: ok, but 16.04 would be too new ?
[09:34] <cjwatson> zetheroo: I don't have definite information on that.
[09:35] <cjwatson> It may well be OK, but I haven't tested.
[09:36] <zetheroo> I tried it just now and it didn't go so well http://paste.ubuntu.com/23123491/
[09:36] <zetheroo> so I am giving 14.04 a shot now
[09:38] <cjwatson> Ah, certainly some of the dependent PPAs may not be ready .
[09:38] <cjwatson> If you aren't ready to cope with that kind of thing, you'd be best off matching our setup.
[09:39] <cjwatson> I hope we'll at least get onto 14.04 in a few months (we have until April ...)
[09:42] <zetheroo> ok, if 14.04 doesn't do it I am back to 12.04 ;)
[09:46] <zetheroo> is 12.04 still getting security updates?
[09:47] <cjwatson> Yes
[09:47] <cjwatson> Until April
[09:50] <zetheroo> ok
[09:54] <zetheroo> so in 14.04 when I do './rocketfuel-setup' I get '-bash: ./rocketfuel-setup: Permission denied', so I try with sudo and get 'sudo: ./rocketfuel-setup: command not found'
[09:58] <cjwatson> I wouldn't have expected sudo to help, or to be desirable even if it did help.  Don't run Launchpad code under sudo.
[09:58] <zetheroo> ok
[09:59] <cjwatson> Perhaps you have the code on a noexec filesystem?
[09:59] <cjwatson> Or perhaps you didn't chmod +x it?
[09:59] <zetheroo> ach, stupid me ... yes chmod -x was the thing
[09:59] <cjwatson> +x, but yes.
[10:00] <zetheroo> yes, that :D
[10:01] <cjwatson> Now you get to wait for ages.
[10:01] <cjwatson> (Hopefully you have it in a container.)
[10:03] <zetheroo> yep, running a dedicated VM for it
[11:11] <zetheroo> at the command 'make schema' I get the following errors at the end:
[11:11] <zetheroo> psycopg2.ProgrammingError: permission denied to create role
[11:11] <zetheroo> make[1]: *** [create] Error 1
[11:11] <zetheroo> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/launchpad/launchpad/lp-branches/devel/database/schema'
[11:11] <zetheroo> make: *** [schema] Error 2
[11:13] <cjwatson> that sounds like you might not have run utilities/launchpad-database-setup properly
[11:13] <cjwatson> (note the warning attached to it)
[11:16] <zetheroo> I did perform './utilities/launchpad-database-setup $USER' before 'make schema'
[11:17] <cjwatson> Probably worth checking output closely for errors.
[11:17] <cjwatson> It all worked fine last time I did this only a month or two ago.
[11:18] <zetheroo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23123797/
[11:18] <zetheroo> ends with 'Looks like everything went ok.' :)
[11:18] <wgrant> zetheroo: Your POSIX user cannot be named "launchpad".
[11:19] <wgrant> Well, not with the default setup scripts.
[11:19] <zetheroo> oh, I guess that was a default and I just hit Enter
[11:19] <wgrant> Since "make schema" will try to create a postgres user called "launchpad", but launchpad-database-setup has already done that given your POSIX username.
[11:20] <wgrant> No LP setup stuff creates POSIX users, so I doubt it was a default.
[11:21] <zetheroo> the only time I recall being asked for a username was when I performed the './rocketfuel-setup' command
[11:21] <zetheroo> What is your Launchpad username? [launchpad]
[11:21] <wgrant> It was when you created the user that you're currently logged in as.
[11:21] <zetheroo> and I just hit Enter
[11:21] <wgrant> Before you ran any Launchpad setup scripts.
[11:21] <cjwatson> And that prompt is asking for your username on launchpad.net.
[11:21] <cjwatson> Which is not "launchpad".
[11:22] <zetheroo> so my local Ubuntu user cannot be 'launchpad'?
[11:23] <wgrant> Not with the default setup scripts.
[11:23] <zetheroo> ok
[11:23] <wgrant> Since launchpad-database-setup creates a postgres user matching your POSIX user, but LP expects to be able to create a "launchpad" user of its own.
[11:23] <zetheroo> is this why I had the last errors?
[11:23] <wgrant> Yes.
[11:24] <wgrant> I suspect that security.py revoked superuser privileges from the "launchpad" role.
[11:24] <zetheroo> ok, then i may as well start again with a fresh install :)
[11:26] <zetheroo> can the hostname be launchpad ? :D
[11:38] <wgrant> zetheroo: That shouldn't be a problem.
[11:38] <wgrant> I haven't tested it, but nobody's run into that before.
[11:38] <zetheroo> ok, I'll choose another hostname just to be sure
[11:49] <zetheroo> so when I am asked for my Launchpad username ... what's the benefit of placing it in here?
[11:49] <wgrant> It uses it to download code over bzr+ssh rather than http, which is usually a lot faster.
[11:49] <wgrant> http doesn't allow the server to use any intelligence.
[11:52] <zetheroo> ok
[11:59] <cjwatson> Also rocketfuel-setup sets things up so that "bzr push" pushes code branches to the right place, for when people are sending branches to us for merging.
[12:00] <cjwatson> Nowadays I think that could actually just use lp:~/launchpad etc. rather than lp:~${lpusername}/launchpad etc., but that's not how it's written at the moment.
[12:01] <wgrant> Does ~ actually work for branch lookups?
[12:01] <wgrant> That code is rather specialised.
[12:01] <cjwatson> Usually does for me.
[12:01] <wgrant> It's not often that I learn something about Launchpad.
[12:01] <cjwatson> Wouldn't swear it works in every case, but I reasonably often do bzr push lp:~/thing/name
[12:02] <zetheroo> I am totally new to all this, so it's all Greek to me :)
[12:28] <Saviq> hi, can someone please enable arm builds on ppa:jenkaas-hackers/tools? they can be virt I think
[12:30] <wgrant> Saviq: You can do that yourself on the "Change details" page.
[12:30] <wgrant> Assuming you own the PPA.
[12:37] <zetheroo> even though I put in my launchpad ID I still see this in the output : 'You have not informed bzr of your Launchpad ID ...'
[12:41] <Saviq> wgrant, yeah I don't, not an admin of that team, will grab one of them, thanks
[13:15] <zetheroo> now that it's running, ow do I access the site in a remote browser?
[13:20] <cjwatson> https://dev.launchpad.net/Running/RemoteAccess
[13:20] <zetheroo> maybe this is not what I thought it was ... I was looking for a way to host a local repository of pre-built packages
[13:20] <cjwatson> Launchpad is massive overkill for that
[13:20] <zetheroo> ok
[13:20] <cjwatson> Did you consider reprepro?
[13:20] <zetheroo> Launchpad was the first thing I tried
[13:21] <cjwatson> There are a few things of that kind of shape in the Ubuntu archive
[13:21] <zetheroo> ok, so no 'official' way
[13:22] <cjwatson> Or you could use launchpad.net to do the builds and mirror them locally
[13:23] <zetheroo> I was thinking of something like Poudriere (FreeBSD)
[13:24] <cjwatson> These days I normally just throw things at Launchpad since life's too short, but I've used sbuild and reprepro in the past.  Was a while ago.
[13:24] <zetheroo> ok
[13:24] <cjwatson> There may be a more closely-integrated thing around now.
[13:26] <zetheroo> well if launchpad can do it all ... sounds good
[13:37] <dobey> hmm, getting lots of timeouts just trying to change status on a simple bug right now
[13:37] <xnox> yeah
[13:38] <HeOS> Hello! Is there a problem with launchpad? I can't add my comment to a bug - I face the 'Timeout error' with an advice to try do it some later...
[13:40] <zetheroo> isn't the login process in launchpad kinda weird? When I want to login I am taken to this Ubuntu One site which after I login just lands me on a Personal details page with some other settings ... so then I have to manually re-enter launchpad.net into the address bar - is that how it's meant to work!?
[13:42] <zetheroo> and then when I go back to launchpad.net I see that I am still not logged in - so I click on login again and am taken back to Ubuntu One with a Personal Data Request, so I click the 'Yes, log me in' button and then it redirects back to launchpad.net and I am finally logged into launchpad. Thing is that I had to do this all before already so why do I have to authorize it again?
[13:43] <dobey> that sounds like maybe your browser did something weird
[13:49] <cjwatson> HeOS: this happens every so often due to some internal postgresql maintenance job that we haven't entirely tracked down, but it always goes away in about ten minutes
[13:49] <HeOS> cjwatson, got it, thanks.)
[13:50] <HeOS> It works fine right now.


[12:48] <michyprima> hello guys
[12:51] <michyprima> I'm still experiencing bug #1456985 on 15.10 with 4.2.0-18. ext4 fs goes readonly sometimes when server backups. Before filing a new bug, I would love to know if it's me doing something wrong or not :)
[13:31] <apw> michyprima, if it sounds like the same thing and you have the same (or similar symptoms) it is worth filing a new bug and referencing the old in the description as being the same
[13:48] <michyprima> apw: thing is on #1445195 they claim it was fixed for all supported ubuntu distributions, but you are right, simptoms are exactly the same. What I can read from the bug page is that the fix was merged into the linux 3.x tree, so maybe it isn't available yet in 4.x?
[13:55] <michyprima> looks like I was wrong, the correct issue is bug #1470250 which is in progress. my bad for misreading :)
[14:21] <apw> michyprima, there appear to be at least precise test kernels in that bug, if you have an environment you can test
[14:26] <michyprima> I will, thanks. I need to get a test vm first for obvious reasons :P
[14:35] <michyprima> just double checking, I just need to install debs which will install udebs by themselves?
[14:55] <apw> michyprima, udebs are only used by the d-i installer during install time, you only need the .debs to update
[15:11] <michyprima> both virtual and generic hangs on loading ramdisk
[15:11] <michyprima> that doesn't look good
[15:13] <michyprima> I will try installing 3.2.0-23  instead
[15:16] <michyprima> still hangs. mhh, something is definitely wrong
[23:41] <goddard> anyone know why a USB device config descriptor would have 38 hex items in an array ... all the documentation I read lists only 8
[23:41] <goddard> ?