[00:03] <tazgodx> pigs will have wings in the next version?
[00:04] <tazgodx> you have no idea what thats gonna do for my love life!
[00:04] <tgm4883_laptop> woohoo, we've been made popular
[00:04] <tgm4883_laptop> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Mythbuntu_7_10_Release_Final
[00:05] <pdragon> \o/
[00:06] <tazgodx> someone going to answer that last guys question on there about the live cd?
[00:13] <tazgodx> 95 diggs...wow
[00:15] <MythbuntuGuest29> hello
[00:15] <MythbuntuGuest29> anyone home?
[00:15] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[00:15] <tgm4883_laptop> little crysis right now
[00:15] <tgm4883_laptop> whats up
[00:15] <tafkaz> hm....what is the root-password....doesnt take the sudo passwort !
[00:15] <tgm4883_laptop> it should be whatever you sent for the first user
[00:15] <tafkaz> no its not...
[00:16] <redsix> if i wanted to upgrade or reinstall Mythbuntu and keep my recorded programs, what part of the db do i need to export, just the recorded table?
[00:16] <tgm4883_laptop> ok give us a minute, we have to deal with something
[00:16] <tafkaz> no prob....seen your website has some probs
[00:17] <redsix> I tried the entire db, but that caused some issues, although my recorded shows were there, it broke som eother functions...
[00:18] <redsix> would just the recorded table work?
[00:22] <redsix> ?
[00:23] <superm1> tafkaz, okay no root password on ubuntu distros
[00:23] <superm1> use sudo
[00:26] <tafkaz> superm1, i know...
[00:27] <tafkaz> the problem was that the keyboard at in xfce is still us
[00:27] <tafkaz> which is odd cause in the terminal it is right....german
[00:27] <tafkaz> so whenever i typed in the users sudo password i mispelled it without knowing that
[00:28] <tafkaz> but...now that i found out i can go on configuring ! ;-)
[00:28] <redsix> hi superm1
[00:28] <superm1> tafkaz, that's really odd
[00:28] <superm1> i'm surprised laga didn't catch it
[00:28] <superm1> hi redsix
[00:29] <tafkaz> well....just in case your planning to release some bug fix...:-)
[00:29] <superm1> frink_, your box is holding up it would appear :)
[00:29] <superm1> tafkaz, can you file a bug after things calm down?
[00:29] <tafkaz> well later yes....
[00:30] <tafkaz> but now we re all busy arent we ? :-)
[00:30] <redsix> superm1, if i wanted to reload then restore my recordings, do i need the entire db or just the recorded table?
[00:30] <superm1> redsix, well that depends on if you want old recording lists too
[00:30]  * directhex needs to magic an extra 500 words from somewhere for his article
[00:30] <redsix> nom just whats on the 2nd hd as recorded shows
[00:31] <redsix> superm1, what does old recordoing lists provide? re-record info?
[00:31] <tazgodx> can't you just copy over the actuall recorded shows, and not mess with the DB?
[00:31] <superm1> redsix, yeah
[00:31] <redsix> dont reallt need that, it will just re-record some stuff right?
[00:34] <redsix> superm1, you ever used knoppmyth?
[00:35] <superm1> redsix, i tried to install it in a vm once
[00:35] <superm1> but it never worked
[00:35] <redsix> superm1, was curious if adding the restart and shutdown menu items to mythbuntu would be hard, like in a "Power" menu item as options
[00:36] <superm1> redsix, its one of our specs for hardy
[00:36] <superm1> just wasn't addressed for 7.10
[00:36] <redsix> sweet
[00:36] <pdragon> definitely like the new mythbuntu theme. thanks to whoever did that up :)
[00:36] <superm1> pdragon, juski did :)
[00:36] <superm1> its based off his old "free" blootube
[00:36] <redsix> superm1, do you know if there are any plans for ReplayTV support?
[00:37] <superm1> redsix, not that i know of right now
[00:37] <superm1> if you want to write a spec for it though
[00:37] <superm1> go for it
[00:37] <superm1> $spec
[00:37] <superm1> http://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+spec
[00:37] <pdragon> mythbot on vacation?
[00:38] <superm1> pdragon, mythbot never seems to stay alive
[00:39]  * superm1 glares at therethinker
[00:46] <redsix> superm1, i just reinstalled and now it seems like the backend isn;t starting automatically, any clues?
[00:46] <superm1> redsix, check /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[00:47] <superm1> likely permissions
[01:03] <tazgodx> what key changes what tuner i am curently watching?
[01:04] <directhex> Y i think
[01:06] <tazgodx> ty
[01:43] <tazgodx> im having a weird problem here, not sure whats to blame for it either
[01:44] <tazgodx> but when i watch TV with a PIP and switch, the screen i was watching rewinds all the way to the beginning where i started watching it
[01:45] <tazgodx> of course you could blame this on my ever dieing HDD and ill believe it :)
[01:47] <tgm4883> PIP works?
[01:48]  * tgm4883 hasn't tried it in ages
[01:48] <tazgodx> well it works in the sense that i can watch another screen. jsut switching between during commercials is useless
[01:49] <tgm4883> what are these commercials you speak of?
[01:49] <tgm4883> :)
[01:49] <tazgodx> you know those annoying things you are forced to watch durring live tv....
[01:49] <tgm4883> live tv, im drawing a blank
[01:50] <tazgodx> haha
[01:50] <tazgodx> do you seriously not watch live tv?
[01:50] <tgm4883> nope
[01:50] <tgm4883> no point :)
[01:50] <superm1> wha?
[01:50] <superm1> live tv?
[01:50] <superm1> eh?
[01:50] <tazgodx> live sporting events
[01:50] <superm1> i dont watch sports personally
[01:50] <superm1> so no
[01:50] <tazgodx> sports is not the same recorded
[01:51] <tgm4883> sports is way better recorded
[01:52] <tazgodx> well im watching chuck, and trying to switch to Monday night football during the commercials, but everytime i switch my PIP it goes all the way back to the beginning of chuck
[01:52] <tgm4883> hmm
[01:52] <tazgodx> no way, if i waited to watch sports they would be spoiled for me. my friends would ruin everything
[01:52] <tgm4883> tazgodx, thats why you only wait about 45 minutes
[01:52] <tgm4883> then start watching
[01:53] <tazgodx> and chuck and heroes, my friend watches, and sends me texts wanting to discuss parts with me
[01:53] <tazgodx> during the show, so if i don't watch it live, that is also spoiled for me
[01:53] <tgm4883> heh, I haven't tried PIP since MajorIdiot told me it didn't work
[01:53] <tgm4883> at that was at the begining of feisty
[01:53] <tgm4883> s/at/and
[01:56] <tazgodx> well, besides that one problem, it looks like it works for me
[01:56] <tgm4883> i've seeded 7GB in an hour
[01:56] <tgm4883> sweet
[01:56] <tazgodx> my u/l speed SUCKS i couldn't do that
[01:57] <tgm4883> now if i could just find a good benchmark for my Hard drive
[01:57] <tgm4883> i'm using my school's connection
[01:57] <tgm4883> I had to remote desktop in to do that
[01:58] <tazgodx> i want to get a better connection to do that
[02:00] <tgm4883> foxbuntu!!!
[02:00] <tgm4883> did you digg it?
[02:00] <tgm4883> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Mythbuntu_7_10_Release_Final
[02:01] <foxbuntu> tgm4883 yes I did
[02:01] <tgm4883> ok
[02:01] <tgm4883> it's hard to tell
[02:01] <foxbuntu> I see your back to being the Digg slut tonight
[02:01] <tgm4883> nope
[02:01] <tgm4883> not anymore
[02:01] <tgm4883> just to you
[02:01] <tgm4883> no need to :)
[02:01] <foxbuntu> holy crap
[02:01] <tgm4883> :)
[02:01] <foxbuntu> is our server dead yet?
[02:01] <foxbuntu> thats awesome
[02:01] <tgm4883> no
[02:02] <tgm4883> our server is holding up very well
[02:02] <tgm4883> except for a small hiccup
[02:02] <tgm4883> that was our own fault
[02:02] <foxbuntu> want to know something really awesome?
[02:02] <tgm4883> whats that?
[02:03] <foxbuntu> I am like weeks away from filling my papers of Incoroporation
[02:03] <tgm4883> sweet
[02:04] <foxbuntu> and we are going to smash our traffic records tonight
[02:04] <foxbuntu> 1991 right now
[02:04] <tgm4883> already beat some
[02:04] <foxbuntu> wild stuff
[02:04] <tgm4883> i think we beat the ISO d/l before we hit popular on digg
[02:04] <foxbuntu> and hopefully tonight my stupid truck will be fixed
[02:05] <foxbuntu> so its been a great day
[02:05] <foxbuntu> wow almost a 50% dl rate today
[02:05] <foxbuntu> thats impressive
[02:06] <tgm4883> yep
[02:06] <tgm4883> torrents are running great too
[02:06] <foxbuntu> wow
[02:07] <tgm4883> arg we still don't have updated stats for most things :(
[02:08] <tgm4883> only through 4:00 CST
[02:08] <tgm4883> CST?
[02:08] <foxbuntu> Central Std Time
[02:08] <tgm4883> is that what is short for Central Time?
[02:08] <tgm4883> ok
[02:08] <tgm4883> Wanted to be sure
[02:08] <foxbuntu> yea
[02:08] <foxbuntu> it think its that becuase I setup the acct
[02:08] <foxbuntu>  55,411 total visiting since 9/10
[02:09] <foxbuntu> 222,203 page views
[02:09] <tgm4883> 200 more diggs to make the top 10 in tech
[02:09] <foxbuntu> wow
[02:09] <foxbuntu> and its only been there like 8 hours
[02:14] <foxbuntu> tgm4883...uh you may want to look at the updated visitor numbers
[02:14] <foxbuntu> it just updated
[02:14] <tgm4883> I just saw that
[02:14]  * tgm4883 jaw drops
[02:14] <foxbuntu> we destroyed the records
[02:15]  * foxbuntu drools
[02:15] <tgm4883> look at the d/l
[02:16] <foxbuntu> mine hasn't updated
[02:16] <foxbuntu> 961
[02:16] <foxbuntu> still...holy crap
[02:17] <foxbuntu> almost 6000 visitor tonight alone
[02:17] <foxbuntu> thats insane
[02:17] <foxbuntu> and we added 6 countries
[02:17] <tgm4883> foxbuntu, join -dev
[02:18] <tgm4883> we're looking over it in there
[02:39] <stevetv> hello :) ... has something clever happened to the mythbuntu website and the forum?
[02:39] <tgm4883> like what?
[02:40] <superm1> stevetv, clever?
[02:40] <stevetv> err.. well tgm i noticed you updated the mythbuntu page.. now it doesnt seem to fit on one page.. like the support button is on a different line.
[02:41] <tgm4883> if you're talking about the sweet new look then yes
[02:41] <tgm4883> hmm
[02:41] <tgm4883> looks alright to me
[02:41] <superm1> depends on the font that you have set for your web browser
[02:41] <tgm4883> whats clever about the forums?
[02:42] <stevetv> and the forum seems way different.. wish i could post a frame grab.  but there is a whole bunch of blue hyperlinks on the top of each page
[02:42] <stevetv> maybe its just me.. cause the mythtv wiki seems screwy also..
[02:43] <tgm4883> i wish you could too
[02:43] <tgm4883> because nothing was changed on the forum
[02:43] <tgm4883> does www.ubuntuforums.org look the same
[02:44] <stevetv> its looks the same as the mythbuntu forum yes.. different to what it used to yes.. it must be my isp .. maybe theyre caching things differnet..
[02:44] <superm1> http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshoter9.png
[02:44] <superm1> that is how they look for me
[02:45] <tgm4883> must be the sweetness of mythbuntu release
[02:45] <tgm4883> Mythbuntu - too powerful for the internet
[02:45] <tgm4883> only 223 people online right now
[02:46] <stevetv> lol.. well its very different for me.. must be my isp.  the bastards..
[02:46] <superm1> tgm4883, remember everything on the website is 15 minutes delayed now
[02:46] <superm1> due to caching
[02:46] <superm1> stevetv, try restarting your web browser?
[02:47] <stevetv> wait.. ill upload a screen shot.. just to applore that im not retarded..
[02:47] <stevetv> yup... done that.. i think ive got isp issues somehow
[02:47] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[02:52] <stevetv> naa... im not clever enough to upload a screenshot.  im sure its just my isp..
[02:52] <stevetv> its not important anyway.. sorry to bother
[02:54] <stevetv> ha .. works a treat using ms explorer.. my firefox settings must be screwy.
[02:56] <stevetv> anyway.. tgm / superm1 .. im working on a script to automagically setup xmltv for australian users
[02:56] <superm1> stevetv, cool!
[02:57] <superm1> stevetv, that's be a great thing to include for 8.04 and put on the forums for people to use on 7.10
[02:57] <stevetv> i can write.. pretty much.. the script to run as a post install executable..
[02:58] <superm1> stevetv, what language?
[02:58] <stevetv> it just needs polishing.. but ill post it on the forum once its reasonable.. im not much of a programer
[02:58] <stevetv> its python
[02:59] <superm1> stevetv, well if you abstract it well enough, perhaps it can grow into a generalized script
[02:59] <superm1> for people to use
[02:59] <superm1> and then eventually add on pyGTK gui to possibly
[02:59] <stevetv> yes that was my hope
[02:59] <stevetv> im not entirely sure.. possibly it could be improved to apply to other tv_grab_xx as well ..
[02:59] <superm1> yeah it can then become *the way* to setup xmltv :)
[03:00] <stevetv> lol...
[03:01] <stevetv> actually.. i won't bother asking you guys much.. the forums a good place for it so someone better than i can polish it up
[03:04] <superm1> stevetv, well if we rowl up some more python guys this friday
[03:04] <superm1> that can be something they might want to take up
[03:04] <superm1> can you right a spec for it?
[03:04] <superm1> *write
[03:08] <stevetv> yeah .. im just about to get on a plane do fly to brisbane tho.  I'm away till next wednesday.
[03:09] <stevetv> I'm just post what i have on the forum next week ... i used it already.. it works fine.. ill leave it to someone with more than my over so slight skill to make it more user friendly
[03:10] <superm1> stevetv, okay sounds good
[03:13] <stevetv> currently.. each user will need to modify the script to reprent their location of the .xmltv file .. so mine is /home/steve/.mythtv/"$SOURCENAME'.xmltv .. i can't figure out a way to automate that .. but im sure it's possible
[03:14] <stevetv> anyway... i wont waste your time.. have fun.  im on holidays as of now so i don't care about anything.. enjoy
[04:16] <tritium> superm1: how was your test today?
[04:16] <superm1> tritium, less than optimal actually.
[04:16] <tritium> oh, sorry to hear that.  How about your interview?  Or is that later this week?
[04:16] <superm1> tritium, that went pretty good.
[04:16] <tritium> Great!
[04:17] <tritium> The mythbuntu intsallation went very well for me with the alt key allowing me to re-position the ubiquity windows :)
[04:17] <superm1> tritium, there was a bug filed today about making ubiquity work on low res displays
[04:17] <superm1> so hopefully that ends up happening
[04:17] <superm1> so you dont need to do things like that
[04:17] <tritium> cool, did you file that?
[04:17] <superm1> but great that it worked
[04:18] <tritium> Yeah, thanks again :)
[04:18] <superm1> no someone else did.  i get all the ubiquity bug mail
[04:18] <superm1> so i saw it fly by
[04:18] <tritium> cool
[04:18] <superm1> bug 155107
[04:18] <superm1> if you want to subscribe to it
[04:18]  * superm1 kicks ubotu
[04:18] <superm1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/155107
[04:19] <tritium> Thanks!
[04:19] <tritium> Only annoyance now is the slight overscan problem I have.
[04:19] <superm1> that can be adjusted in nvidia-settings in mcc
[04:19] <tritium> And I still need to enable XvMC
[04:20] <tritium> I'll work on that, but I've been unable to correct it to date.
[04:20] <superm1> hm
[04:36] <tritium> I'm thinking about installing the mail server task on the box...
[04:38] <superm1> tritium, i like that as an idea
[04:38] <superm1> like something that can email you when things go astray?
[04:39] <tritium> That's one idea, but mainly because all of my current email accounts are either forward-only, or webmail-only accounts.
[04:39] <tritium> I want to run my own server so I can use a mail client like evolution.
[04:40] <superm1> ah yeah
[04:41] <tritium> I have dyndns, so I believe I can do it.
[05:04] <DrtyVicar> hello? can anyone paste the MD5?  I was able to download the ISO but cant get the md5 to verify it.
[05:04] <DrtyVicar> sorry, the md5 for mythbuntu-7.10-i386.iso
[05:05] <MitoTranin> the md5 files should be posted on the website
[05:05] <DrtyVicar> is a download link for some reason & apparently it's now swamped...
[05:05] <DrtyVicar> yes it SHOULD be posted as text...
[05:06] <MitoTranin> http://mythbuntu.org/download/?file=mythbuntu-7.10-i386.iso.md5sum
[05:07] <MitoTranin> it's impossible to be swamped... there's a pool of almost a dozen mirrors
[05:07] <DrtyVicar> did you bother to click on that? I get a blank tab & no test or download... still...
[05:07] <MitoTranin> anyways, here's the text of the md5 file that I got when I clicked the link I just posted...
[05:07] <MitoTranin> 4608c04122a65d828c3417f330e3eee0  mythbuntu-7.10-i386.iso
[05:07] <MitoTranin> yes I actually gave you the link, then clicked on it
[05:07] <MitoTranin> can you tell me what mirror you're getting those errors from?
[05:07] <DrtyVicar> wierd I get nothing...   been like that since 9:30
[05:08] <MitoTranin> what mirror is it trying?
[05:08] <MitoTranin> when you click on the link, what is the location it tries to grab it from?
[05:08] <DrtyVicar> I cant tell. i just a blank tab with the address of http://www.mythbuntu.org/download/?file=mythbuntu-7.10-i386.iso.md5sum
[05:09] <DrtyVicar> It might be this stupid windows machine...
[05:09] <MitoTranin> can you do a shift+refresh of the main download page, and then try again?
[05:09] <DrtyVicar> sure  brb
[05:09]  * MitoTranin is using a windows machine, using firefox
[05:09] <DrtyVicar> me too but this one is ready for reinstallation...
[05:11] <tgm4883> DrtyVicar, where are you located?
[05:11] <DrtyVicar> chicago
[05:11] <tgm4883> do you happen to know which mirror it was trying to d/l from?
[05:11] <DrtyVicar> ok I tried that IE too and disabling my firewall to boot no joy
[05:12] <DrtyVicar> how could i tell?
[05:12] <tgm4883> it would be in the address bar
[05:12] <tgm4883> looks something like this
[05:12] <tgm4883> http://us-az.cdimages.mythbuntu.org/mythbuntu-7.10-i386.iso.md5sum
[05:12] <tgm4883> it would be the
[05:12] <tgm4883> us-az part
[05:12] <DrtyVicar> http://www.mythbuntu.org/download/?file=mythbuntu-7.10-i386.iso.md5sum is all it says
[05:12] <tgm4883> ok
[05:13] <tgm4883> and a little download box doesn't pop up?
[05:13] <DrtyVicar> it's opening in a new tab  no no box,
[05:13] <DrtyVicar> i got the ISO ok
[05:13] <DrtyVicar> i should probally reboot & try again
[05:14] <DrtyVicar> this pos if getting pretty flaky
[05:14] <DrtyVicar> if = is
[05:14] <tgm4883> ok, let me know if it persists
[05:14] <tgm4883> I can't get it to duplicate here
[05:15] <DrtyVicar> good news is that the md5 is a match, Thanks!
[05:15] <tritium> I'll be darned if I can't get vnc or a remote myth frontend to work!
[05:16] <MitoTranin> tritium: did you static the IP after enabling those options?
[05:16] <tritium> MitoTranin: yes
[05:16] <DrtyVicar> thaks 4 the help! I have to go play now <grins>
[05:16] <MitoTranin> it's a bug that I found, and reported, that if you static the IP after making those options, then they no longer work
[05:17] <tritium> MitoTranin: did you find a work-around?
[05:17] <MitoTranin> I had to do a reformat anyways for a different reason, so I didn't really work on it too much
[05:17] <MitoTranin> and when I reformatted, the first thing I did was static the IP
[05:17] <MitoTranin> then after that, I enabled the others, and it worked like a charm
[05:18] <MitoTranin> as for the vnc I would suggest just disabling it and then re-enabling it
[05:18] <tritium> Shoot, I'm too far along to reinstall.
[05:18] <tritium> Did you try disabling/enabling in MCC?
[05:19] <MitoTranin> I did, and it didn't work, but there were many other problems that I was having that could have had effect
[05:19] <MitoTranin> that, and it was the beta, not release
[05:19] <MitoTranin> so bugs have been fixed, etc
[05:19] <tritium> I'm working with the reelase.
[05:19] <MitoTranin> so I would definitely try it
[05:19] <tritium> release*
[05:19] <tritium> I guess I will.
[05:22] <tritium> Disabling the MySQL service seems to have hung on "Configuring MySQL tweaks"...
[05:24] <MitoTranin> tgm4883: any ideas?
[05:25] <superm1> tritium, hm that's not good.
[05:26] <superm1> tritium, did apport catch it?
[05:26] <superm1> or is it just sitting there
[05:26] <tritium> superm1: apport?
[05:26] <superm1> crash reporting service
[05:26] <tritium> I Ctrl-Ced it.  Now I can't re-enable MySQL
[05:26] <tritium> No, it didn't.
[05:26] <superm1> tritium, can you launch it from a command line?
[05:26] <tritium> MCC?  yes
[05:26] <superm1> /usr/share/mythbuntu-control-centre/bin/mythbuntu-control-centre
[05:26] <superm1> like that
[05:27] <superm1> sudo /usr/share/mythbuntu-control-centre/bin/mythbuntu-control-centre
[05:27] <superm1> actually
[05:27] <tritium> one sec...
[05:27] <superm1> hopefully catch a backtrace
[05:27] <tritium> okay
[05:28] <tritium> MySQL Server Information is all greyed out now on the MythTV Configuration tab.
[05:28] <superm1> is it still a master backend role?
[05:28] <superm1> oh not there.
[05:28] <superm1> the services tab
[05:28] <tritium> Primary Backend yes
[05:29] <tritium> MySQL Service is greyed out on that tab.
[05:29] <superm1> well that's really odd.
[05:29] <tritium> Can't do anything to that control.
[05:29] <superm1> can you check and make sure that mysql-server is still installed?
[05:29] <superm1> i wonder what you did to get it into this weird state
[05:29] <tritium> No, I saw it being uninstalled when I disabled it.
[05:29] <tritium> Just like vnc-server was uninstalled when I disabled that.
[05:30] <tritium> mysql-server-5.0 is installed
[05:30] <superm1> but not mysql-server
[05:30] <superm1> install mysql-server
[05:30] <tritium> but not mysql-server
[05:30] <superm1> what did you disable to cause it to be removed?
[05:31] <tritium> MySQL Service on the System Services tab
[05:31] <superm1> wow that's very odd
[05:31] <tritium> I thought so too, as was the removal of the vnc server package on disabling that.
[05:31] <superm1> well you probably should have just "reconfigured" it
[05:32] <superm1> not disabled it
[05:32] <tritium> Okay, had to quit/restart MCC, but it's there now.
[05:32] <tritium> reconfiguring didn't work, though
[05:32] <tritium> Still can't VNC to box.
[05:32] <superm1> it didn't?
[05:32] <superm1> Hm.
[05:32] <tritium> nope
[05:32] <superm1> you restarted X
[05:32] <superm1> after reconfiguring it?
[05:32] <tritium> No
[05:32] <superm1> haha
[05:32] <superm1> well that's it
[05:32] <tritium> Didn't know to.
[05:32] <superm1> it starts the vnc server as an X module
[05:32] <tritium> I see.
[05:32] <superm1> i guess that needs to be indicated
[05:33] <tritium> So, "MySQL Server Information" is still grayed out.
[05:33] <superm1> can you file a bug against MCC that a message telling you to restart needs to be put in place for multiple areas
[05:33] <tritium> What other areas?
[05:34] <superm1> well there are other similar situations
[05:34] <tritium> I can, but I'm only aware of the vnc case.
[05:34] <superm1> i anticipate
[05:34] <superm1> like changing autologin
[05:34] <superm1> or the autologin user
[05:34] <tritium> Okay.  Now, should the mysql info be greyed out on the mythtv config tab?
[05:35] <superm1> is mythtv-database installed still?
[05:35] <tritium> yes
[05:36] <superm1> woah yuck i just tested that on my system.  that is bad that you can remove the mysql server so easily
[05:36] <superm1> wow.
[05:36] <tritium> How did you test?
[05:36] <superm1> installed a master backend role
[05:36] <superm1> and then enabled the mysql service
[05:37] <superm1> can you file a bug about that too actually?
[05:37] <superm1> that disabling "MySQL service shouldn't remove mysql-server"
[05:37] <tritium> yes
[05:37] <superm1> now the thing is after changing that setting, it doesn't restart mysqld
[05:37] <superm1> so it odesnt take effect until you restart mysql or restart the comp
[05:38] <superm1> which is probably why it seemed like it wasn't working
[05:38] <superm1> (Another item that needs to be addressed)
[05:38] <tritium> I've tried "sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database", which failed the first time.
[05:39] <tritium> I then "sudo invoke-rc.d mysql restart", and then retried the above, which appeared to work.
[05:39] <tritium> still greyed out in mcc, though
[05:40] <superm1> well the only code that ungreys that checks to make sure "mysql-server" and "mythtv-database"
[05:40] <superm1> are installed
[05:40] <superm1> note that's mysql-server
[05:40] <superm1> not mysql-server-5.0
[05:40] <tritium> (which I reinstalled)
[05:41] <superm1> Hm
[05:41] <tritium> ii  mysql-server                               5.0.45-1ubuntu3                      MySQL database server (meta package dependin
[05:41] <tritium> ii  mysql-server-5.0                           5.0.45-1ubuntu3                      MySQL database server binaries
[05:41] <superm1> okay
[05:41] <superm1> what aobut this
[05:41] <superm1> are you missing a file /etc/mysql/conf.d/mythtv.cnf?
[05:41] <tritium> nope
[05:42] <tritium> [mysqld]
[05:42] <tritium> bind-address=<IP_ADDRESS>
[05:43] <tritium> and I just checked -- mythweb tells me database access denied
[05:43] <superm1> wow. how did things get so broke?
[05:43] <tritium> simply by disabling MySQL server.
[05:43] <tritium> Nothing more.
[05:44] <superm1> that's crazyness :)
[05:44] <tritium> And I did that because mythfrontend wasn't working (both from ubuntu-desktop install, and mythbuntu livecd)
[05:44] <MitoTranin> superm1: now that he mentions all this, this happened to me to with the beta
[05:44] <superm1> because mysqld hadn't been restarted
[05:44] <MitoTranin> and I reported it etc
[05:44] <superm1> MitoTranin, you reported this exact issue?
[05:44] <MitoTranin> yes
[05:44] <superm1> i thought we had resolved issues you reported
[05:44] <superm1> lets see
[05:44] <superm1> MitoTranin, do you have a bug number?
[05:44] <tritium> MitoTranin mentioned these problems occur if you change your IP to static after install.
[05:45] <MitoTranin> it all was caused when I changed my IP from dhcp to static after enabling such things
[05:45] <superm1> well because mysqld needs to be restarted
[05:45] <tritium> because of my overscan, I couldn't even see the network-manager applet, so I didn't think to config network at that time
[05:45] <MitoTranin> vnc didn't work, and I couldn't get anything remote (such as remote frontend or mythweb) to work
[05:45] <tritium> mythweb had worked prior to this mess
[05:45] <MitoTranin> but mythweb worked fine when browsed by the local machine
[05:46] <MitoTranin> superm1: I'll look to see if I can find the bug number
[05:46] <tritium> check your launchpad page, MitoTranin ?
[05:46] <superm1> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/%7Emito-im/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INVALID&field.status%3Alist=WONTFIX&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.status%3Alist=FIXRELEASED&assignee_option
[05:46] <superm1> =any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_contact=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch.used=&field.tag=&field.has_cve.used=
[05:46] <superm1> MitoTranin, that shows all the bugs you had reported
[05:47] <MitoTranin> hmm...
[05:47] <MitoTranin> you know, I remember now
[05:48] <MitoTranin> I went to put this bug report in, then talked about it in the chan first, and ended up reporting bug 150389
[05:48] <tritium> MitoTranin: so, you have to set the IP static while running the LiveCD before you launch the installer?
[05:48] <MitoTranin> as the solution, but it didn't say the reason...
[05:48] <MitoTranin> silly/stupid me
[05:48] <MitoTranin> but we did talk about it in the channel a lot
[05:49] <MitoTranin> tritium: no, I installed the system, rebooted into the main system, and then the first thing I did was exit the frontend that auto-started up and then staticed the IP
[05:49] <MitoTranin> rebooted, then continued from there
[05:49] <MitoTranin> (well, that's what I ended up having to do to solve the issue)
[05:49] <tritium> But you setup mysql root password, etc. during install
[05:49] <MitoTranin> yes
[05:49]  * tritium thinks this calls for a reinstall
[05:50] <MitoTranin> tritium: sorry, if I had remembered that this was the result of disabling it, I really would have tried to stop you from doing it :)
[05:50] <superm1> well i knew if there was anything that would screw up with release it would be something mysql server related.
[05:50] <MitoTranin> but I didn't remember that this was the result of that
[05:50] <tritium> MitoTranin: :)
[05:51] <tritium> superm1: do you want me to create an account for you on my machine to do some detective work?
[05:51] <MitoTranin> superm1: that's why I made that bug/suggestion about the static IP though, as an avoidance of this
[05:51] <superm1> tritium, MitoTranin well please get all this into bugs :)
[05:51] <tritium> Or shall I reinstall?
[05:51] <superm1> tritium, actually yeah can you do that quickly
[05:51] <tritium> one sec
[05:51] <superm1> i'd like to poke really quick
[05:51] <MitoTranin> I'll report the bug now
[05:51] <superm1> MitoTranin, unfortunately setting up static before hand is a bit troublesome to put into the installer :(
[05:51] <superm1> thanks guys :)
[05:53] <MitoTranin> tritium: I just remembered
[05:53] <tritium> MitoTranin: what?
[05:53] <MitoTranin> or rather, though
[05:53] <MitoTranin> thought
[05:53] <MitoTranin> when I installed, I did the typical install
[05:53] <MitoTranin> I didn't do advanced
[05:54] <MitoTranin> so when you asked about the mysql password, I don't know the answer really
[05:54] <MitoTranin> but I would not enable the remote front-end option until after you setup the static IP
[05:56] <tritium> ah okay
[05:56] <tritium> I did advanced
[05:57] <tritium> Thanks, MitoTranin, superm1
[06:00] <tritium> MitoTranin: so you got mythfrontend to work finally?
[06:00] <tritium> and vnc?
[06:01] <superm1> tritium, after you restart X hopefully VNC should be good now
[06:01] <MitoTranin> !bug 156087
[06:01] <superm1> MitoTranin, ubotu broke somehow
[06:01] <tritium> superm1: That would be cool.  I'll try that.
[06:01] <superm1> and so did mythbot
[06:01] <MitoTranin> ouch
[06:01] <MitoTranin> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/156087
[06:01] <tritium> frontend still not working, though
[06:01] <MitoTranin> tritium: I got it working via a reinstall.... :(
[06:02] <superm1> MitoTranin, could you actually link that to a separate bug?
[06:02] <superm1> i'm pretty sure that will get overlooked and forgotten there
[06:02] <superm1> given that static ip addy's will be a tough problem to solve
[06:02] <Mersault|Home> so superm1, how much has changed in mythbuntu since the last time I tried it?
[06:02] <superm1> Mersault|Home, when's last you tried it?
[06:03] <Mersault|Home> RC2
[06:03] <MitoTranin> superm1: so you want them listed as two separate bugs then?
[06:03] <superm1> Mersault|Home, we had an RC2?
[06:03] <MitoTranin> lol
[06:03] <superm1> i thought we only had a RC
[06:03] <tritium> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1230/ <--mythfrontend error from CLI
[06:03] <MitoTranin> that was my first thought :)
[06:03] <superm1> MitoTranin, yeah sep bugs if you can
[06:03] <Mersault|Home> ah, then that would have been it
[06:04] <superm1> Mersault|Home, bug fixes in the installer and a new default theme
[06:04] <Mersault|Home> excellent. I ran into some weird problems with the installer last time
[06:04] <MitoTranin> tritium: try installing mysql-server via apt-get and command line
[06:04] <superm1> tritium, did you reset the normal mythtv mysql password somehow?
[06:04] <tritium> MitoTranin: it's installed
[06:04] <MitoTranin> but I did get it so that mythfrontend did work after screwing it up like that
[06:04] <MitoTranin> yes, but try it again
[06:05] <superm1> tritium, oh
[06:05] <tritium> superm1: it's definitely not what I setup during install.  It's totally random, but I've copied that
[06:05] <superm1> rm ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt
[06:05] <tritium> ah...
[06:05] <tritium> no, that has the right password
[06:05] <superm1> yeah the systemwide /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt is what you should be using
[06:06] <superm1> that has the right password?
[06:06] <tritium> yes
[06:06] <tritium> DBHostName=localhost
[06:06] <tritium> DBUserName=mythtv
[06:06] <tritium> DBName=mythconverg
[06:06] <tritium> DBPassword=wFI2Kyjt
[06:06] <superm1> can you try to connect to mysql manually with it?
[06:06] <superm1> oh wait
[06:06] <tritium> DBHostName=<IP_ADDRESS>
[06:06] <tritium> DBUserName=mythtv
[06:06] <tritium> DBPassword=wFI2Kyjt
[06:06] <tritium> DBName=mythconverg
[06:06] <tritium> DBType=QMYSQL3
[06:06] <superm1> i see three different hostnames here
[06:06] <superm1> localhost
[06:06] <superm1> 1.100
[06:06] <superm1> 1.2
[06:06] <superm1> what is it supposed to be?
[06:07] <tritium> first paste is from the backend
[06:07] <tritium> second paste is from the laptop
[06:07] <tritium> backend is at <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:07] <tritium> laptop is <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:07] <superm1> where is that pastebin from then?
[06:08] <tritium> running "mythfrontend" from CLI on laptop
[06:08] <superm1> tritium, launch MCC on the laptop
[06:08] <superm1> and on the mythtv configuration tab
[06:08] <superm1> double check the info there
[06:08] <superm1> and hit the test mysql button
[06:08] <tritium> I don't have MCC on laptop.  I installed mythtv-frontend
[06:08] <MitoTranin> superm1: how do I make the bug reports related?
[06:09] <MitoTranin> ie: I just submitted the 2nd, but how do I link them?
[06:09] <superm1> MitoTranin, just add a comment between in them
[06:09] <superm1> with a link to the other one
[06:09] <MitoTranin> ah, np
[06:09] <superm1> tritium, that pastebin you posted showed it trying to connect to mysql on the laptop
[06:09] <superm1> which won't work
[06:09] <tritium> superm1: but when I tried the livecd, it never worked
[06:10] <superm1> it needs to connect to <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:10] <tritium> I think that's the server rejecting the request from <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:11] <superm1> okay lets start from the backend and work forward
[06:11] <MitoTranin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/156089
[06:11] <superm1> do a netstat -ant | grep 3306
[06:11] <superm1> on the backend
[06:12] <superm1> make sure its listening on all ports
[06:13] <tritium> Shall I pastebin the output?
[06:13] <superm1> tritium, sure
[06:13] <tritium> I see ports 41035 through 41048 listed for <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:13] <MitoTranin> superm1: interesting non-related problem that might be a bug
[06:14] <superm1> how come people find bugs *after* release. :(
[06:14] <superm1> what's that MitoTranin ?
[06:14] <tritium> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1232/
[06:14] <MitoTranin> do you remember my problem with not being able to delete my recordings etc when they are stored on my network share?
[06:14] <superm1> tritium, okay so its listening on the correct ports
[06:14] <superm1> tritium, next thing
[06:14] <tritium> good...
[06:15] <superm1> try to connect from the backend via command line
[06:15] <superm1> mysql -umythtv -p
[06:15] <MitoTranin> superm1: I have had this problem since I got my tuner to work, which was around rc, but I hadn't narrowed it down yet enough to file a bug
[06:15] <superm1> and then type your password thats in mysql.txt
[06:15] <tritium> from which machien?
[06:15] <superm1> MitoTranin, no i dont recall that problem
[06:15] <tritium> machine*
[06:15] <superm1> tritium, from the backend
[06:15] <superm1> want to isolate the issue
[06:16] <MitoTranin> superm1: ok, well I was initially having problems with my backend not starting due to the nfslockfile.lock file not being removed when the backend stopped
[06:16] <tritium> no worky
[06:16] <tritium> (access denied, blah blah)
[06:16] <MitoTranin> so to get the backend to run again I would have to remove the file manually, then restart the backend
[06:16] <superm1> tritium, okay then i suspect your backend isn't working either.
[06:17] <superm1> tritium, in terms of mythbackend process
[06:17] <MitoTranin> then I found these messages in the backend log:
[06:17] <MitoTranin> 2007-10-22 06:26:08.280 Error deleting '/data/mythtv/recordings/1010_20071017001445.nuv' could not open
[06:17] <MitoTranin>                         eno: Permission denied (13)
[06:17] <MitoTranin> 2007-10-22 06:26:08.284 Delete Error '/data/mythtv/recordings/1010_20071017001445.nuv'
[06:17] <MitoTranin>                         eno: Permission denied (13)
[06:17] <MitoTranin> 2007-10-22 06:26:08.285 Error deleting file: /data/mythtv/recordings/1010_20071017001445.nuv. Keeping metadata in database.
[06:17] <superm1> tritium, can you dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database
[06:17] <superm1> and make sure you put in the correct root password
[06:17] <superm1> when it asks you for it
[06:18] <MitoTranin> So, I then su'd to the mythtv user and he can remove the files without problems etc
[06:18] <tritium> which is that random string from /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt ?
[06:18] <superm1> MitoTranin, it sounds like the mythtv backend process doesn't have write access
[06:18] <superm1> tritium, no
[06:18] <MitoTranin> very odd
[06:18] <superm1> tritium, that's whatever you set when you first installed
[06:18] <superm1> in the advanced install
[06:18] <tritium> I'll try
[06:18] <MitoTranin> well, the mythtv user can remove without problems...
[06:18] <tritium> done
[06:18] <superm1> tritium, okay well try again now
[06:18] <MitoTranin> just now I manually started the backend process via console (where before I would always use the init.d/rc.d scripts)
[06:19] <tritium> no luck
[06:19] <MitoTranin> and now it works perfectly when deleting them
[06:19] <MitoTranin> so I checked again what the difference was...
[06:19] <MitoTranin> the only difference is that when root deletes the file, it just deletes it.  when the mythtv user deletes the file, it asks if I'm sure
[06:20] <superm1> tritium, okay one more idea here.  dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common.  set all the stuff that is in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[06:20] <superm1> and then dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database one last time
[06:20] <MitoTranin> superm1: this is the result of the delete commands when used as the mythtv user:
[06:20] <MitoTranin> $ rm deleteme
[06:20] <MitoTranin> rm: remove write-protected regular empty file `deleteme'? y
[06:20] <superm1> it will reset the password to the info that it gets from when you set mythtv-common
[06:21] <superm1> MitoTranin, that's normal for any user
[06:21] <tritium> okay
[06:21] <superm1> MitoTranin, how did you login as the mythtv user?
[06:21] <MitoTranin> fstab
[06:21] <MitoTranin> well...
[06:21] <superm1> MitoTranin, well you can't login as the mythtv user that way
[06:22] <MitoTranin> just then I did a sudo su to get a root console
[06:22] <MitoTranin> and then I did a su mythtv
[06:22] <MitoTranin> to get a mythtv console
[06:22] <superm1> okay
[06:22] <tritium> I'm in...
[06:22] <superm1> tritium, okay that worked?
[06:22] <tritium> yes
[06:22] <superm1> tritium, okay phew
[06:22] <tritium> Thanks :)
[06:22] <superm1> that was way more hectic than it should have been
[06:22] <tritium> I'm sorry.
[06:24] <tritium> cool, frontend works too :)
[06:24] <tritium> thanks, superm1
[06:24] <superm1> tritium, no prob
[06:25] <superm1> tritium, but was this all from just disabling mysql-server?
[06:25] <superm1> or were you fsck'ing with passwords and stuff before?
[06:25] <tritium> Yes, superm1.  Without a doubt.
[06:25] <tritium> Nope.
[06:25] <superm1> my gosh
[06:25] <superm1> that's really bad.
[06:25] <tritium> And remember, I disabled it because none of these remote services were working.
[06:26] <MitoTranin> all due to setting a static IP
[06:26] <tritium> Now, I'm trying to recall which bugs I have to file...
[06:26] <MitoTranin> which is something that all primary-backends should have
[06:26] <tritium> 1) vnc reconfigure needs to notify to restart X session
[06:26] <superm1> mysql-server being remove MitoTranin made
[06:26] <tritium> okay
[06:26] <superm1> but mysql-server needs to be restarted when that happens either way
[06:28] <MitoTranin> superm1: so, about the files being removed...
[06:28] <tritium> anything else for me to report?  mythweb and frontend breakage appear related to mysql-server being removed, yes?
[06:28] <MitoTranin> the permisions before were set as -rwxrw-rw-
[06:29] <MitoTranin> but that wasn't working, so I changed some options and they were then -rwxrwxr-x
[06:29] <tritium> ah, mythweb access denied again..
[06:30] <tritium> dpkg-reconfigure appears to have fixed...
[06:30] <tritium> now, why was that necessary?
[06:31] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Hit me with pm if you are around.
[06:31] <troy_s> foxbuntu: I will have those bits for you, but I would like you to have the final cluster of tones and such for approval etc.
[06:32] <superm1> tritium, hopefully you dont have to do that once again
[06:33] <superm1> but please file a bug against mcc for mythweb reconfigure not working as well
[06:33] <superm1> MitoTranin, this all seems rather odd
[06:33] <MitoTranin> superm1: yes... I know.... which is why I hadn't filed a bug report yet, since it's so odd that it might not actually be a bug
[06:33] <tritium> superm1: okay, I hope I can keep all the cause/effect straight in all of this...
[06:34] <MitoTranin> my network storage is on a debian system that I'm using as a NAS
[06:34] <MitoTranin> via a samba share
[06:34] <superm1> tritium, yeah a lot of the cause and effect here are related but i suspect that they were not directly from the removal of mysql-server
[06:34] <superm1> but rather steps done after that
[06:34] <MitoTranin> the samba share right now is set to assign the file and directory mode 777 to all new files and directories
[06:34] <superm1> to try to to resolve $things
[06:35] <MitoTranin> it used to be set to assign all files and directories to the nobody group too, but since that wasn't working, I removed that
[06:35] <tritium> perhaps, although there wasn't much that I did before you came around and helped
[06:35] <superm1> tritium, well its the stuff after i came and helped here
[06:35] <superm1> that mixed around things
[06:35] <tritium> ah
[06:35] <superm1> particularly the dpkg-reconfigure's
[06:36] <MitoTranin> it is also set to be "read/write to all known users"
[06:36] <superm1> MitoTranin, what is it mounted using?
[06:36] <superm1> smbfs?
[06:36] <MitoTranin> cifs
[06:36] <MitoTranin> smbfs gives mounting errors
[06:36] <MitoTranin> well, not errors, but it doesn't actually mount properly on boot
[06:37] <MitoTranin> fstab entry is:  //<IP_ADDRESS>/risk /data/nas-mounts/risk cifs username=tvmyth,password=mythtv 0 0
[06:37] <MitoTranin> if I change the cifs to smbfs, it works fine if I mount manually via mount -a
[06:38] <MitoTranin> but during bootup it locks those dirs and any program that tries to access them
[06:38] <superm1> i'm really not sure
[06:38] <MitoTranin> but the cifs works fine
[06:38] <MitoTranin> as far as the share goes (it always mounts without problems, etc)
[06:38] <MitoTranin> and it is mounting properly
[06:38] <MitoTranin> and all users, including the mythtv user, can delete the files via the share
[06:39] <MitoTranin> and they can write the files there
[06:39] <MitoTranin> but when the backend is started via the init.d script, it gives the cannot delete error
[06:39] <MitoTranin> I have it started via a root console and they are deleting perfectly fine
[06:39] <tritium> I'll be back...
[06:40] <superm1> MitoTranin,
[06:40] <superm1> do you perhaps need a 'user' parameter
[06:40] <superm1> in that mount command
[06:41] <MitoTranin> I don't know why I would... it works properly, as far as all the files being accessible etc
[06:41] <MitoTranin> recordings are being made properly etc
[06:41] <MitoTranin> I can touch new files
[06:41] <MitoTranin> all while su'd into the mythtv user even
[06:42] <tritium> Cool, VNC works now, as you said it would, superm1 :)
[06:42] <superm1> :)
[06:42] <superm1> tritium, did you not activate it during ubiquity?
[06:42] <superm1> or were things broken off ubiquity?
[06:42] <rhpot1991> here is a question
[06:43] <rhpot1991> I managed to screw up a recording playing around in edit mode
[06:43] <rhpot1991> now I made a backup first, so I restored that
[06:43] <rhpot1991> but my 30 second skips are all crazy, jumps 10 mins at one point, and then jumps all the way to the end again later
[06:43] <rhpot1991> something in the db I need to clear out?
[06:44] <tritium> superm1: I don't recall for sure, but I thought that I did.
[06:44] <superm1> rhpot1991, just hit Q
[06:44] <superm1> in edit mode
[06:44] <superm1> to clear the edit points
[06:44] <tritium> superm1: I think MitoTranin said it breaks if you change to a static IP post-install.
[06:44] <rhpot1991> still doing it
[06:44] <MitoTranin> tritium: no...
[06:44] <tritium> no?
[06:44] <MitoTranin> tritium: I got it to work by setting it to static in the post-install
[06:44] <superm1> tritium, well that shouldn't be the case, just restart X after turning on static ip
[06:45] <MitoTranin> BUT, it has to be the FIRST thing you do
[06:45] <tritium> hmm
[06:46] <rhpot1991> q removes them, but it doesn't seem to save it
[06:46] <rhpot1991> cause if I go back in to edit again and hit z, they come back up
[06:46] <superm1> well hit escape when you are done
[06:46] <rhpot1991> ya did that
[06:51] <MitoTranin> superm1: I really need to get to bed
[06:51] <MitoTranin> I'll catch you later about this delete file oddity
[06:51] <superm1> okay
[06:51] <superm1> night mindframe
[06:51] <superm1> or MitoTranin
[06:51] <superm1> :)
[06:51] <MitoTranin> lol
[06:51] <MitoTranin> :)
[06:51] <MitoTranin> night
[06:54] <tritium> Good night, MitoTranin.  Thanks again.
[06:56] <tritium> Good night, superm1.  I'd best file those bugs tomorrow.  I need some sleep before work.
[06:56] <superm1> tritium, okay great :)
[06:56] <superm1> try to remember to do so, i know i'll forget about them otherwise
[06:56] <tritium> Thanks again.  Have a good night.
[06:56] <superm1> night
[06:56] <tritium> I will.
[06:56] <rhpot1991> got it fixed, had to use mythcommflag --rebuild
[08:00] <jeezmos> just wondering ... how do people connect their pvr to the home TV box (I'm currently using uverse from att, but I think the same would be true of dishtv or any service that requires a set-top box)... is doing the ir-blaster the only way to do it?  or are there simpler ways?
[08:53] <cann_> tgm4883_laptop: i can digg it \o/
[14:03] <billf> How do I disable all of the baloon notices pop up, like "Software Updates Available" ?
[17:19] <tritium> superm1: I'm accessing my mythbox from home.  Normally, when I go to http://my.server.example.com, I see two directories: apache2-default, and mythweb.  Now, mythweb doesn't show (even though the symlink is there in /var/ww), but if I go to http://my.server.example.com/mythweb, mythweb does load.  And after mythweb loads, refreshing http://my.server.example.com will them show the mythweb dir.
[17:19] <tritium> Is this expected behavior?
[17:20] <tritium> Is something hiding the mythweb dir from being viewed at the root level?
[17:29] <tritium> I've not seen mythweb or apache2 act this way in past installatinos.
[17:29] <tritium> installations*
[17:30] <MitoTranin> are you sure that you weren't loading a cached root page previously?
[17:35] <tgm4883> tritium, mythweb is hidden by default
[17:37] <MitoTranin> tritium: don't forget to file those bug reports from last night into the mythbuntu bug tracker please!  :)
[17:37] <MitoTranin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/
[17:38] <MitoTranin> and on that note, I need to head out and actually do some work... later all
[18:04] <tritium> MitoTranin: I will, after work
[18:04] <tritium> tgm4883: that's a new feature?
[18:05] <tritium> tgm4883: i.e., mythweb was not hidden by default in feisty
[18:06] <tgm4883> tritium, true, it has to do with now using schedules direct
[18:06] <tgm4883> afaik
[18:06] <tritium> ah, I see.
[18:06] <tritium> Thanks!
[18:06] <tgm4883> because people will access it over the net
[18:06] <tritium> Where is that setting made?  apache config file somewhere?
[18:07] <tgm4883> SD doesn't want you to start hosting channel data
[18:07] <tgm4883> hmm
[18:07] <tgm4883> probably in the .htaccess for mythweb
[18:11] <tritium> Thanks, tgm4883
[18:11] <tritium> Glad it's not another bug :)
[18:39] <tafkaz> hi
[18:40] <tgm4883> hi
[18:40] <tafkaz> mythbuntus install went pretty fine
[18:40] <tafkaz> i only need some little answers...havin had myth running under gnome before....where dfo i put my gnomerc equivalent ?
[18:41] <tafkaz> i need to start nvidiasettings
[18:41] <tgm4883> you can start that from mythbuntu control center
[18:41] <tafkaz> and i didnt get my lircrc to be read...
[18:41] <tafkaz> hm....going there moment
[18:42] <tafkaz> ok where can i set nvisia-settings to be loaded on startup ?
[18:42] <tgm4883> wait, why would you want to load that on startup?
[18:43] <tafkaz> /usr/bin/nvidia-settings -l
[18:43] <tafkaz> to have my screen maximezed !
[18:43] <tafkaz> that was the line i started in a .gnomerc file
[18:45] <tafkaz> another one....how to start mythwelcome instead of mythfrontend at startup ?
[18:45] <foxbuntu_> tafkaz, you need to make sure to setup your settings in niviia-settings for that user and the it will write a conf in the users ~./ to keep those settings
[18:45] <tgm4883> your screen should be maximized from startup. nvidia-settings should be adjusting xorg.conf  to do so
[18:46] <tafkaz> hm....well i wasnt very happy with the generated xorg.conf so i took my own working one....maybe i should look into that then
[18:48] <tafkaz> hm cant find anything in the old xorg.conf that would load nvidia-setting's settings
[18:48] <tgm4883> look at the differences in the screen section
[18:49] <tafkaz> Modes      "nvidia-auto-select"
[18:49] <tafkaz> is that it ?
[18:49] <foxbuntu_> tafkaz, no
[18:49] <tafkaz> well...
[18:49] <foxbuntu_> thats an app that selects the res based on probing info from the monitor
[18:50] <tafkaz> there is no other line that would load settings
[18:51] <tafkaz> actually my screen section is huge....
[18:51] <tafkaz> and the old one is small
[18:51] <tafkaz> but the picture is much beter now
[18:53] <tafkaz> also i copied my working lircrc file into /home/user
[18:53] <tafkaz> what else do i have to do to make it be the one ?
[18:57] <tafkaz> i never worked with xfce....so i dont know
[19:11] <tafkaz> hm...irw says connection refused
[19:24] <tafkaz> ok....dont get my remote to work....have a perfect lircrc here...have the lircd.conf ond hardware.conf from my last installation....but i just dont get it to work like it used to
[19:24] <tafkaz> i only have basic functions
[19:24] <tafkaz> like up down aso
[19:26] <tafkaz> m......this is odd....i actually like the whole idea of mythbuntu...but it all worked on ubuntu 7.04
[19:29] <foxbuntu_> tafkaz, what remote are you using?
[19:29] <tafkaz> haupauge nova-s
[19:29] <foxbuntu_> what buttons are you having trouble with?
[19:29] <tafkaz> plus
[19:30] <tafkaz> actually i really only have some basic buttons...
[19:30] <foxbuntu_> and which remote did you select in the Remote Setup?
[19:30] <tafkaz> not even back worx
[19:30] <tafkaz> i used all three haupauges
[19:30] <tafkaz> but i do have a copy of my working lirc files...
[19:30] <tafkaz> hardware.conf & lircd.conf
[19:31] <foxbuntu_> I don't think that remote is currently supported by Lirc is why...and becasue of that I wasn't able to add support for it (I manage remote support)
[19:31] <tafkaz> and i have a very long and individual lircrc
[19:31] <tafkaz> it worked a week ago on 7.04
[19:31] <tafkaz> perfectly
[19:31] <foxbuntu_> with Mythbuntu?
[19:31] <tafkaz> but now that you say it....
[19:32] <tafkaz> no with ubuntu and your weekly builds....
[19:32] <tafkaz> but now it comes to my mind, that i built my own lirc then or found some other lirc.deb somewhere
[19:32] <tafkaz> because it worx with the latest version of lirc
[19:33] <foxbuntu_> we only support what upstream Lirc does...however alot of unsupported remotes can be configured to be used with Lirc, just not via our remote config system
[19:33] <tafkaz> do you know some deb ?
[19:33] <foxbuntu_> no
[19:41] <tafkaz> damn
[19:48] <superm1_> Daviey: fglrx 8.42.3 was released
[19:48] <superm1_> Daviey, have fun with it :)
[19:56] <tafkaz> i will try and build my lirc from cvs...
[20:00] <tafkaz> you need to have the Linux kernel source installed for this driver
[20:00] <tafkaz> but it is installed
[20:00] <tafkaz> linux-source and linux-headers
[20:04] <tafkaz> argh
[20:05] <tafkaz> what kernel-src could configure mean....
[20:06] <tafkaz> i mean...i need lirc...a newer version...and i am willing to build it !
[20:09] <tafkaz> it is tared ???
[20:15] <foxbuntu_> $theend
[20:15] <mythbot> Neither I, ubotu, or Wikipedia knows about "theend", sorry.
[20:15] <foxbuntu_> $wiki
[20:15] <mythbot> MythTV -- https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[20:16] <directhex> $theend is the beginning is the end
[20:16] <mythbot> Although I didn't know, ubotu says: Your edit request has been forwarded to #ubuntu-ops.  Thank you for your attention to detail
[20:16] <directhex> aw poot. mythbot's much less fun than dpkg
[20:16] <therethinker> :P
[20:16] <mythbot> Although I didn't know, ubotu says: LjL wants you to know: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.   Then comment it :)
[20:19] <tgm4883> muahahhaha
[20:19] <tgm4883> $mbot
[20:19] <mythbot> What is thy bidding, my master?
[20:19] <tgm4883> $release
[20:19] <mythbot> The current version of Mythbuntu is 7.10.  It was released on Monday, Oct 22, 2007.   For more info go to http://www.mythbuntu.org/7.10/release
[20:19] <foxbuntu_> $poke tgm4883
[20:19] <mythbot> /me stabs tgm4883 violently with a rusty spoon
[20:20] <therethinker> "{
[20:20] <therethinker> I mean :P
[20:20]  * directhex wonders how badly his latest article will be taken by the assorted distro communities
[20:20] <therethinker> :P
[20:21] <tgm4883> hmm
[20:21] <tgm4883> $poke me
[20:21] <mythbot> /me stabs me violently with a rusty spoon
[20:22] <directhex> /me is a common irc client convention, your bot probably needs to send the proper ACTION command
[20:22] <therethinker> sure
[20:22] <therethinker> I noticed that :P
[20:24] <directhex> i need someone sexy to give me feedback on my article. i'm fairly confident so far
[20:24] <tgm4883> link?
[20:25] <therethinker> define sexy before tgm goes and gives feedback...
[20:25] <directhex> he qualifies, you don't ;)
[20:26] <foxbuntu_> tgm4883, sure is not the person you want
[20:27] <therethinker> Foxbuntu, dispite his foxy handle, is not foxy at all
[20:27] <directhex> and despite your pseudonym, you don't think freely at all?
[20:28] <therethinker> Shh!
[20:28] <tgm4883> and contrary to you're handle, you prefer to count in binary, not hex
[20:29] <tgm4883> indirectly of course
[20:29] <therethinker> And contrary to YOUR handle, you were not born on 4/8/83...
[20:29] <tgm4883> don't forget that tgm doesn't stand for The Great Man
[20:30] <therethinker> Ooh
[20:30] <therethinker> I thought it was completely random
[20:30] <tgm4883> nope
[20:30] <tgm4883> everyone tries to be random these days
[20:30] <tgm4883> i prefer not to be a sheep :)
[20:31] <tgm4883> so instead of being random, i try to be unrandom
[20:31] <therethinker> :P
[20:31] <therethinker> Pass the salt, please
[20:33] <tgm4883> $shrink foxbuntu
[20:33] <mythbot> Sorry, foxbuntu is beyond help.
[20:34] <tgm4883> so true
[20:34] <foxbuntu_> you got that right
[20:34] <tgm4883> heh
[20:34] <foxbuntu_> you should ask my poor wife about that
[20:34] <tgm4883> more like
[20:34] <tgm4883> $shrink mythbot
[20:34] <therethinker> :P
[20:34] <mythbot> Sorry, mythbot is beyond help.
[20:34] <therethinker> :P
[20:34] <therethinker> $shrink tgm4883
[20:34] <mythbot> Sorry, tgm4883 is beyond help.
[20:37] <NeoFax> Can someone help me get a ati usb remote to work in mythbuntu?
[20:37] <foxbuntu_> NeoFax, use MCC
[20:37] <NeoFax> I tried to use the mythbuntu center, but it does not work
[20:37] <tgm4883> $man tgm4883
[20:37] <mythbot> tgm4883 is the man, and don't forget it
[20:37] <NeoFax> I only get basic functionality
[20:37] <foxbuntu_> explain further
[20:38] <therethinker> who set the man command?
[20:38] <NeoFax> I have atiusb driver installed and running in 2.6.22-14 kernel on the most current gutsy kubuntu setup
[20:38] <therethinker> $man laga
[20:38] <mythbot> Neither I, ubotu, or Wikipedia knows about "man laga", sorry.
[20:38] <therethinker> oh, nevermind
[20:39] <NeoFax> When I push buttons on my remote nothing happens in mythtv.  however, in KDE i can move the mouse and use the pseudo mouse buttons
[20:39] <foxbuntu_> which remote did you select in MCC?
[20:39] <NeoFax> These r the only buttons that work on the remote
[20:39]  * directhex prods tgm4883
[20:39] <NeoFax> ATI kernel
[20:40] <foxbuntu_> did you have the Frontend running when you made the change?
[20:41] <NeoFax> Yes
[20:41] <directhex> fine then, /me tries therethinker
[20:41] <therethinker> what? Oh, I need to fix that
[20:41] <therethinker> I got inturrupted
[20:42] <therethinker> $slap directhex
[20:42] <mythbot> /action slaps directhex
[20:42] <therethinker> that's odd...
[20:42]  * therethinker slaps directhex
[20:43]  * directhex beats therethinker with a herring
[20:43] <therethinker> :P
[20:43] <therethinker> does that show up for you?
[20:43] <therethinker> it doesn't for me, it says "/action slaps directhex"
[20:43] <directhex> mythbot isn't doing it right yet
[20:43] <therethinker> what is it supposted to be?
[20:44] <NeoFax> foxbuntu_: irw even does not work
[20:46] <directhex> ACTION i think
[20:46] <directhex> with some kind of prepended control character
[20:46] <therethinker> its doing "/action"
[20:46] <therethinker> ACTION is running
[20:49] <therethinker> http://youtube.com/watch?v=iWtxR_61CaY -- aww... even little kids love Ubuntu :-)
[20:51] <directhex> i'm not a little kid though, hence by hate and rage!
[21:09] <pdragon> wonder how many users they'll get in the classroom when Mark shows up tomorrow


[01:00] <bac> lifeless, thumper, rockstar, mwhudson, StevenK: ping
[01:00] <bac> #startmeeting
[01:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 19:00. The chair is bac.
[01:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[01:00] <thumper> here
[01:00]  * rockstar
[01:00] <bac> hi guys
[01:01] <lifeless> hi
[01:01] <bac> thumper: did you see that article about the dunedin psycho murderer?
[01:01] <lifeless> only here vaguely
[01:01] <thumper> bac: ah... no
[01:01] <thumper> when?
[01:01] <bac> it's in the New Yorker magazin
[01:01] <bac> i threw a link up on FB
[01:02] <mwhudson> hi
[01:02] <bac> [topic] agenda
[01:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  agenda
[01:02] <bac> * Roll call
[01:02] <bac>  * Agenda
[01:02] <bac>  * Outstanding actions
[01:02] <bac>  * New topics
[01:02] <bac>   * Mentat update.
[01:02] <bac>   * Some of the UI reviewers have graduated, but ReviewerSchedule indicates that no one has graduated. Same for UI/Reviews, which still lists people who've left the team.
[01:02] <bac>   * https://dev.launchpad.net/ArchitectureGuide as per the epic - will reviewers please start discussing the values and metrics during reviews?
[01:02] <bac>   * Assertion errors and the webservice (gary)
[01:02] <bac>  * Peanut gallery
[01:02] <bac> i guess we're all here but steven
[01:03] <bac> [topic] mentat update
[01:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  mentat update
[01:03] <bac> thumper: has steven been getting any more reviews?
[01:03] <thumper> not that I've noticed
[01:03] <thumper> but it has been week 3
[01:03] <bac> i made an appeal to the AMEU people to direct some towards him if they weren't pressed for time
[01:03]  * thumper nods
[01:03] <bac> we'll see if that happens.  i'm not optimistic it will.
[01:04] <thumper> heh
[01:04] <thumper> everything is urgent
[01:04] <bac> especially with team leads breathing down your neck to move those kanban cards...
[01:04] <bac> thumper: well, do what you can...
[01:05] <bac> i mentioned lifeless had thoughts about changing the metric for branch size.  i only meant to introduce it but the idea generated lots of reaction
[01:05] <bac> so, lifeless, i apologize for not getting up with you last week to form a proposal as we agreed.
[01:06] <rockstar> bac, what kinds of reactions?
[01:06]  * rockstar COULD read the backchat, but is lazy.
[01:07] <bac> "too vague", "not a metric"
[01:07] <bac> nothing terribly hostile
[01:08] <rockstar> bac, the backchat indicates no interest in change at all, which is disheartening to me.
[01:08] <bac> i tried to introduce robert's idea:  https://dev.launchpad.net/ArchitectureGuide as per the epic - will reviewers please start discussing the values and metrics during reviews?
[01:08] <bac> rockstar: well, it was not presented properly and i think there were just some knee jerk reactions
[01:08] <rockstar> bac, okay.
[01:08]  * bac hopes he didn't poison the well
[01:09] <rockstar> bac, as for me and my house, I will keep my diffs small.
[01:09] <bac> lifeless: i think we'll need an email about what you'd like to see wrt the ArchitectureGuide
[01:09] <rockstar> :)
[01:09] <bac> rockstar: your wife starting to hack launchpad?
[01:10] <thumper> bac: no, that is choco
[01:10] <bac> finally gary raised a point about assertion errors and the API
[01:10] <thumper> he has his own facebook account don't you know
[01:10] <bac> rs=bac for any work by choco
[01:10] <rockstar> bac, assertion errors and the API is also something I wonder about.
[01:10] <bac> choco a fine LSD if ever there was one
[01:11] <lifeless> bac: huh, why?
[01:11] <bac> gary and benji have been looking at exception handling and the API.  they want to put together a white list of acceptable exceptions for the API.
[01:11] <lifeless> bac: what I wrote is what I want
[01:11] <bac> work to be forthcoming
[01:11] <lifeless> bac: I can send a mail, but its all there already
[01:12] <lifeless> in the meeting log from last meeting, which I saw you edit on the wiki :P
[01:12] <rockstar> bac, a whitelist?  Really?  I don't like that idea.
[01:12] <bac> lifeless: i think an email hitting the hightlights will be more effective than just posting a URL for people to read.
[01:13] <rockstar> bac, for instance, we raise BranchMergeProposalExists in the case where someone proposes a merge against a branch where one already exists.
[01:13] <rockstar> I think that's much more helpful than say, an assertion error.
[01:14] <bac> lifeless: i like what you're encouraging, but i think a lot of reviewers have a fixed way they work, certain things they look for, etc.  IMO it'll take some effort to change habits.
[01:14] <bac> rockstar: yes, i think that's the direction gary is headed.
[01:14] <bac> rockstar: that's much better than raising an AssertionError
[01:15] <rockstar> bac, okay.  My concern is that, for a whitelist, when we add an exception, we have to add it to the whitelist.
[01:15] <rockstar> Currently, to make it API-compatible, we just annotate the exception with webservice_error()
[01:16] <bac> rockstar: valid points you can raise when gary makes his proposal.  this was just a head up, i think.
[01:16] <rockstar> bac, ah, okay.
[01:16] <lifeless> bac: perhaps we can refine it here then
[01:17] <lifeless> bac: the idea is that they - check the metrics; discuss the patch in the context of the values & goals on that page.
[01:17] <bac> rockstar: gary and benji also made the reminder that assert() shouldn't be used as it can be optimized away...
[01:17] <rockstar> bac, yeah.  assert() is less helpful than an AssertionError
[01:18] <lifeless> FWIW assert and -O aren't relevant for us, though I agree in principle (and we don't use assert() for that very reason in bzr)
[01:18] <mwhudson> it is (or at least was) also surprisingly common for people to break lines by doing
[01:18] <mwhudson> assert (condition,
[01:18] <mwhudson>     message)
[01:19] <rockstar> mwhudson, ew.
[01:19] <mwhudson> anyway, there seems to be a lot of talk here about partially presented ideas :-)
[01:19] <bac> mwhudson: yeah, i used to see syntactically correct but completely wrong asserts a lot
[01:21] <rockstar> bac, it looks like we're summing up here.  I have a proposal.
[01:22] <bac> lifeless: i agree with your ideas regarding the values and goals.
[01:22] <rockstar> (a full proposal)
[01:22] <bac> lifeless: i just don't know how to make it happen, other than what you're already doing, which is very helpful.
[01:22] <bac> rockstar: sure
[01:23] <lifeless> bac: ok, so I'll send a short message asking for this.
[01:23] <rockstar> bac, I propose that we abolish the "javascript" review, and just make it a regular code review.
[01:23] <lifeless> bac: and perhaps you could follow up in the review team meetings asking whether folk are finding this to work well?
[01:23] <bac> lifeless: certainly
[01:24] <rockstar> bac, I'll be updating the JavascriptReviewGuidelines a bit more, as I've learned a bunch about writing high performance javascript recently, and our code makes me cringe.
[01:24] <rockstar> I think we could make everyone a javascripter if they had to review javascript and have things explained to them.
[01:25] <thumper> +1 to rockstar's proposal
[01:25] <bac> rockstar: i look forward to hearing what you've learned.
[01:26] <rockstar> bac, there will be an email today or tomorrow.
[01:26] <bac> becoming more competent in JS is one of my goals...
[01:26] <rockstar> (and I'll be participating in performance Tuesday from now on)
[01:27] <bac> is there anything else you'd like to talk about?
[01:27] <rockstar> Not from me.
[01:28] <bac> thumper: when you see StevenK would you remind him of the meeting time?
[01:28] <thumper> bac: ack
[01:28] <bac> thanks guys.
[01:28] <bac> #endmeeting
[01:28] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 19:28.
[22:09] <Ursinha> OOPS-1713EB2282
[22:09] <ubot5`> https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1713EB2282


[00:15] <iBaer>   So this OpenVPN seems pretty difficult - When reading 1 article, mid way through, it directs me to do something with requires more research, which then that research directs me else where
[00:15] <fishscene> I never did get openVPN working, but that was a few years ago.
[00:16] <iBaer> so far I've gone from OpenVPN, to Bridge VPN ...
[00:16] <fishscene> I haven't bothered since as I've found other ways (like SSH) which are far easier for me.
[00:16] <matoc> maybe you guys need to try ebox or something...
[00:17] <matoc> or webmin...
[00:17] <iBaer> Like i mentioned, I can access my home server via SSH through putty on client machine.
[00:17] <iBaer> but that doesnt give access the the samba share or file
[00:17] <matoc> iBaer: did you follow the SMB over SSH guide I posted earlier?
[00:18] <iBaer> and with all the garbage on the internet its becoming more and more difficult to find useful informtion
[00:18] <iBaer> Matoc: Im sorry, i must have missed that
[01:49] <HaltingState> help; during installation, it hit enter at the screen "install common servers" and did not select lamp/ssh; is there a tool i can run to have those installed or do i have to redo installation or
[01:50] <KoolaidJunkie> use sudo apt-get install lamp
[01:51] <iBaer> should run apt-get update
[01:51] <iBaer> and apt-get upgrade
[01:51] <iBaer> first
[01:52] <HaltingState> thanks
[01:52] <KoolaidJunkie> np
[01:53] <KoolaidJunkie> SSH would be sudo apt-get install openssh
[01:54] <matoc> HaltingState: I usually use sudo tasksel
[01:54] <KoolaidJunkie> or that
[02:15] <HaltingState> matoc, thx; exactly what i was looking for
[02:17] <HaltingState> what is the command line gui app for configuring network with dhcp
[02:20] <matoc> HaltingState: "dhclient eht0" but you need to set it in /etc/network/interface for it to stick after reboot
[04:26] <japr> hello everyone, does anyone know how to remedy this dhcpd error "unable to add reverse map from <IP_ADDRESS>.in-addr.arpa to X.juanito.home.net: timed out"
[04:26] <japr> I've tried without success the solutions listed here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=4560802#post4560802
[04:28] <japr> Basically added ddns-rev-domainname "2.168.192.in-addr.arpa" to my dhcpd.conf file but no luck. Thanks
[07:23] <needhelp1> how do i install a gui on ubuntu server?
[07:23] <needhelp1> im trying sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[07:24] <needhelp1> but i get "E: Couldn't find the package ubuntu-desktop
[07:31] <needhelp1> anyone up
[07:41] <koolhead11> !server-gui
[07:42] <koolhead11> !servergui
[07:42] <koolhead11> needhelp1: hope this helps!! :)
[07:53] <needhelp1> koolhead11, shouldnt i be able to run sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[07:53] <needhelp1> without error?
[07:58] <_ruben> why not just (re)install using the ubuntu desktop cd instead of server, as you seem to want to turn it into a desktop anyway?
[08:01] <magicblaze007> any apache gurus here? Does anyone know how to point http://myapp.example.com to http://localhost:8012 when both these are known after the webserver has starteed, and i dont want to restart the webserver.
[08:27] <skyion> Hi There, does anyone know if there is a ubuntu equivalent to http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:KIWI that acts as an imaging system?
[08:37] <_ruben> magicblaze007: edit config and reload instead of restart apache?
[09:02] <danthemannn> hi
[09:02] <danthemannn> despite changing the time zone on the server, the time stamps in var/messages are still wrong
[09:02] <danthemannn> any idea?
[09:02] <danthemannn> if i type date, it shows correct time
[09:10] <_ruben> did you restart your syslog daemon after the TZ change?
[11:23] <S0ME1> anyone able to help me with Cobbler?
[12:01] <thesheff17> is it possible to have KVM pass through CPU virtualization to the guest OS?
[12:02] <_ruben> rather doubt that
[12:02] <thesheff17> it just for testing
[12:02] <thesheff17> basically need to test windows 2008 hyper V crap
[12:02] <thesheff17> and I don't have an extra machine
[12:07] <thesheff17> I actually have seen an amazon EC2 instance running KVM so I know it is possible...but maybe it is just a feature of xen.
[12:24] <uksysadmin> thesheff17, you need to have an amd chip to do nested virtualization
[12:25] <uksysadmin> not sure if kvm specifically supports it - but you also need the underlying hardware to support it first
[12:27] <thesheff17> uksysadmin, ah cool
[12:27] <thesheff17> of course I have a ton of Intel chips :-/
[12:28] <thesheff17> actually I do have some AMD servers with Ubuntu...I will have to test it. Thanks.
[12:52] <patdk-wk> heh? all intel chips that do VT support it
[12:52] <patdk-wk> pretty sure amd does also, but not so sure about them
[12:53] <patdk-wk> the issue is, how the vm software was made, it has to be adjusted to do that
[13:12] <uksysadmin> patdk-wk, its not VT, its nested virtualization support under Linux.  AMD yes, Intel, not yet.
[13:12] <patdk-wk> that isn't the fault of the hardware though
[13:12] <patdk-wk> intel has always supported 3 or was it 4 rings
[13:12] <uksysadmin> nobody said it was - its kernel support
[13:12] <codeflux> need some help setting up users for vsftpd..anyone willing?
[13:18] <codeflux> when i connect to ftp (vsftpd) i can login and all but when I try ls my connection times out..any ideas?
[13:19] <patdk-wk> your messed up the data connection for ftp
[15:32] <pythonirc101> I would like to let any openid user open a ssh  tunnel thru my machine.  Can anyone point me to what I should read for this? or how I can do this?
[15:44] <andol> pythonirc101: May I ask why on earth you feel it is a good idea to allow any random Internet user tunnel thru your machine?
[15:47] <patdk-wk> how else can I safely get my ****?
[18:11] <pythonirc101> andol: I don't see any other way out -- I need to let my users run webservers and point to them using my server
[18:27] <cwillu_at_work> pythonirc101, what is it you're actually trying to accomplish?
[19:17] <cwillu_at_work> pythonirc101, because judging from the questions you've asked here and in #python over the last few days, you seem to be trying to solve some problem, but you haven't told anyone what it is yet
[20:07] <iggi_> I'm having some trouble resizing an Ubuntu-Server LVM, I resized the partition and it is in fact bigger, but when I run pvresize I get that the physical volume changed, but when I run pvdisplay it still shows that it is the original (non-expanded) size.
[20:08] <iggi_> I should clarify I'm using gparted live CD to expand the LVM, latest version. and the machine is a Ubuntu 10.04 LTS machine.
[20:09] <matoc> I've never had much luck with gparted. Never seemed to do what it advertised... I would use the command line to do what you're trying.
[20:13] <iggi_> I am using the command line, gparted just happens to be the only live cd I have on hand without downloading another iso
[20:13] <cwillu_at_work> ah, gparted as in the livecd, not the program
[20:15] <iggi_> yeah since gparted does not allow you to mess with LVM's directly. The only thing I used gparted for was to expand the extended partition.
[20:15] <iggi_> or at least on the version included in the live cd
[20:26] <eagles0513875_> hey guys
[20:26] <eagles0513875_> anyone a squirrelmail pro here
[20:59] <mgw> hi, cobbler question
[20:59] <mgw> where is the pxe boot file specified?
[20:59] <mgw> "filename": "gpxe/menu.gpxe" is in the json, but I can't find an option to set it
[21:02] <eagles0513875_> anyone in here worked with squirrelmail as I am having issues with it running on my webserver and loading the login screen for some reason
[21:03] <RoyK> anyone that knows good slideshow software? I want to show a few pics to music with variable delay between the pics, preferably exportable to some movie format
[21:07] <matoc> RoyK: you may want to ask this question on the ubundu-desktop channel.
[22:59] <RoyK> matoc: I do..
[23:15] <Resistance> anyone know how I can manually map a sector on a drive as bad?  an individual sector, not a partition.
[23:15] <Resistance> i have the sector number from the kernel yelling about I/O errors on a sector
[23:17] <matoc> RoyK: I would recommend going straight to a movie editor and making a movie. Maybe try PiTiVi or Kdenlive...
[23:21] <matoc> Resistance: I've often found that it's a good practice to replace a drive with bad sectors on a server. I've seen it before where just a few bad sectors became a lot of bad sectors very quickly. Other than that, I don't know how to do what you're asking.
[23:22] <Resistance> matoc:  this isnt necessarily for a server, but if it were on my server, i'd have swapped out the bad drive (because the RAID array would be degraded)
[23:23] <matoc> can you not just run fsck and let it automatically find and mark the bad sectors?
[23:24] <Resistance> if you give me the fsck command to run, sure... lemme find my liveusb though so i'm not running on the active partition ;P
[23:25] <matoc> what is the filesystem type? ext_, xfs?
[23:26] <Resistance> matoc:  ext4
[23:26] <Resistance> the system i'm running this on isnt the RAID array ;P
[23:27] <Resistance> matoc:  i'm going to reboot, but my ZNC will log the messages you send me :)
[23:32] <matoc> I think this should work: fsck.ext4 -p /dev/sdX
[23:33] <Resistance> oh... i remember this issue i'm having now
[23:33] <Resistance> damn it, the liveusb is mounting things
[23:34] <matoc> "umount" them once it's booted.
[23:34] <Resistance> system's returning them as "not mounted"
[23:34] <Resistance> still wont let me run
[23:34] <Resistance> i've seen this before
[23:34] <Resistance> i think i ended up hooking the drive up via USB to another system to make this work
[23:34] <matoc> why not run repair mode from the alternate CD or something?
[23:34]  * Resistance grumbles
[23:41] <Resistance> matoc, i am running a smart self-test via disk utility in the liveusb
[23:42] <Resistance> hopefully all goes well
[23:43] <matoc> I'm not sure that a SMART test will actually "fix" the problem... It usually just tells you if there's a problem or not.
[23:43] <Resistance> well if there is a problem it'll find it, considering its reporting 0 bad sectors as it is
[23:45] <Resistance> grrr
[23:45] <Resistance> its automounting /cdrom
[23:45] <Resistance> that's a problem
[23:45] <matoc> weird. what live-cd(USB) are you running?
[23:49] <Resistance> matoc, natty, same as the system is running
[23:49] <matoc> Rsistence: in this the server or desktop edition?
[23:51] <Resistance> this is running off of desktop edition, but the answer i got in #ubuntu was "We don't know"
[23:52] <Resistance> ah, wait a second, there...
[23:52] <matoc> I would be using the alternate or server ISO and booting up in rescue mode. That way nothing on your system get mounted unless you manually tell it to.
[23:52] <Resistance> yeah its not mounting anymore
[23:52] <matoc> you do have to be a little familiar with the command line though.
[23:52]  * Resistance fixed that by removing the hot-swappable CDROM
[23:52] <Resistance> matoc, found an fsck.ext4 flag which tells it to use badblocks to check
[23:52] <Resistance> readonly scan for bad blocks
[23:53] <matoc> well there you go :)
[23:53] <Resistance> it'll update the bad blocks inode of which blocks are bad...
[23:53]  * Resistance should just read the manpages :P
[23:55] <Resistance> i'll just let this run :P


[13:44] <popey> mhall119: was sergio's talk about snaps recorded at ubucon do you know?
[17:15] <mhall119> popey: https://youtu.be/e1lLy46KbJc?t=1h36m34s
[17:20] <popey> ta
[17:32] <mhall119> np


[02:35] <Md> who do I need to talk to to explain that rpki-trust-anchors in 20.04 needs to be updated, just like dns-root-data?
[02:39] <tumbleweed> Md: #ubuntu-server maybe? I'd expect the server team to care about those
[02:40] <tumbleweed> or you can file the bug and drive the SRU process, yourself
[02:40] <sarnold> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[02:41] <Md> I have no plan to become an Ubuntu contributor, thank you :-)
[02:42] <Md> except than being upstream for the package...
[02:42] <sarnold> :)
[09:37] <xnox> sergiodj: rafaeldtinoco: only archive admins can approve.
[09:38] <xnox> sergiodj: rafaeldtinoco: and you must not wait for tools to be approved, before uploading -signed. Always upload them together.
[16:42] <seb128> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/a/autopilot-gtk/hirsute/armhf
[16:42] <seb128> Failed to write 'change' to '/sys/devices/virtual/misc/uinput/uevent': Permission denied
[16:42] <seb128> dpkg: error processing package python3-autopilot (--configure)
[16:43] <seb128> is anyone understand what's the issue there?
[16:43] <seb128> does*
[16:45] <sergiodj> xnox: thanks, I'll ping someone on #ubuntu-release then
[18:16] <JawnSmith> jibel: I'm troubleshooting LP: #1901043 (no sound in ubuquity-dm when safe graphics mode is selected). Is the issue just that the startup chime is missing similar to LP: #1897934 ?
[18:33] <powersj> bdmurray, hey sir - rcj uploaded a new livecd-rootfs for the xenial sru after a regression was found I think we are looking for 2.408.65 to help complete the sru
[18:34] <bdmurray> Boy, aren't I just Mr. Popular today.
[18:34] <powersj> :)
[18:35] <bdmurray> Okay, noted.
[19:32] <bdmurray> powersj, rcj: is the intent to still fix the bugs in the existing SRU e.g. 1893898, 1901906, 1580596...
[19:34] <bdmurray> if so you'll want to use debuild with the -v option so those get included in Launchpad-Bugs-Fixed.
[20:12] <smoser> i have a silly question... hopefully someone can help.
[20:12] <smoser> 20.04, apt-get install linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04 . because that 5.8.0 stuff is magic.
[20:14] <smoser> reboot, only the laptop's LCD turns on.  The other two displays (attached via thunderbolt doc) come on.
[20:14] <smoser> do i also have to install a xserver-xorg package in order to expect stuff like that to work
[20:18] <sarnold> I don't think the xorg hwe exists yet
[20:45] <smoser> i didn't think so.
[21:13] <tjaalton> there's no point to create one
[21:14] <tjaalton> since nothing major changed
[21:15] <tjaalton> besides mesa, which got backported as-is just like before
[21:21] <rcj> bdmurray: Thank you.  I'll take a look at fixing this.
[21:36] <rcj> bdmurray: I've uploaded a fix.  Thank you.
[21:38] <bdmurray> No problem