 Still just a guessing game .
[00:46] <EriC^^> it's pretty cool that it can read gpt and msdos though
[00:47] <EriC^^> yeah, the numbers to the left get mixed up sometimes, it's kind of odd
[00:48] <daftykins> that does annoy :D
[00:57] <daftykins> netcrash's is a complete mess :(
[00:57] <EriC^^> yeah
[00:57] <daftykins> rH, that's a new one on me
[00:58] <daftykins> Held?
[00:58] <daftykins> i'm tempted to pull a really ballsy move and just purge the lot and reinstall linux-generic
[00:58] <daftykins> but it's a bit irresponsible :D
[00:59] <EriC^^> hehe
[01:06] <Bashing-om> There is also pulling the rug out from under . rm'n /usr/src/   /lib/modules/ kernel images and headers ; then '-f install' to put the pieces back together .
[01:07] <EriC^^> O.o
[01:07] <daftykins> D:
[01:07] <daftykins> EriC^^: i don't get it, it's not reclaiming space at all - perhaps going nuclear is the only approach?
[01:07] <EriC^^> boot is still full
[01:07] <daftykins> how about purge linux-image then put just the latest back on?
[01:08]  * EriC^^ puts on his radiation suit
[01:08] <daftykins> sorry linux-image*
[01:09] <EriC^^> yeah
[01:10] <EriC^^> maybe mv /boot/*3.13.0-58-generic /oldboot
[01:10] <Bashing-om> Pray to the freq Gods 1st, that the AC holds up .. a loss in continuity will be real tough to overcome .
[01:11] <daftykins> EriC^^: do you think dpkg -P linux-image* would work the easiest?
[01:11] <daftykins> i'm not sure which would make it fight less
[01:12] <EriC^^> i think apt-get is better
[01:12] <EriC^^> dpkg has failed us
[01:12] <daftykins> ok lets see what we can do
[01:17] <Bashing-om> But, 'dpkg' will work in tight overhead contraints whereas 'apt-get' cannot .
[01:17] <EriC^^> yeah that's true
[01:18] <EriC^^> it somehow didn't remove the actual files this time, just removed the list from dpkg -l
[01:18] <EriC^^> *shrug*
[01:18] <daftykins> heh it's behaving really oddly
[01:19] <daftykins> i wonder if there's a mount overlap thing going on
[01:19] <EriC^^> i'm trying not to think about it, it's like a nerd snipe waiting to happen
[01:20] <daftykins> :D
[01:20] <daftykins> catching us out? mmm could be
[01:20] <daftykins> i bet 'sudo apt-get -f install' will try and throw on a bunch of old 3.13.0-3x versions again
[01:20] <EriC^^> lol
[01:22] <daftykins> that was probably the ugliest way of doing that one but eh, hopefully it works ;)
[01:23] <EriC^^> ;)
[01:24] <daftykins> i swear if apt-get -f install... *shakes fist*
[01:25] <EriC^^> awesome
[01:25] <daftykins> \o/
[01:25] <daftykins> do we need anything else to ensure EFI boot will be ok?
[01:25] <EriC^^> nah
[01:25] <daftykins> earlier he had a linux-image generic.efi blah blah but there hasn't been one for a while
[01:25] <daftykins> ah cool :>
[01:26] <EriC^^> some of the files are still in /boot though
[01:27] <EriC^^> the initrd's
[01:27] <EriC^^> i wonder what would happen if he just rm them
[01:27] <EriC^^> it's so odd
[01:28] <daftykins> oh yeah i mean all of it was, i just had them all moved to /oldboot
[01:28] <daftykins> we'll just pretend it never happened 8D
[01:28] <EriC^^> oh
[01:29] <daftykins> nothing like a good sweeping under the carpet
[01:29] <EriC^^> :D
[01:36] <EriC^^> i better get to bed, gnite daftykins Bashing-om
[01:37] <daftykins> nn sir o/
[01:38] <Bashing-om> Nighty, come back finer n a frog's hair .
[01:42] <daftykins> hehehe
[03:31] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[03:34] <cfhowlett> lotuspsychje, https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/a8/c5/92/a8c592f438b6c79189db6d9bdfc748e3.jpg
[03:35] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: lol tnx!
[03:35]  * lotuspsychje calls wolf to clean up the kitchen afterwards
[03:36] <cfhowlett> That would e MR. or THE Wolf iirc.
[03:36] <lotuspsychje> ah right
[03:37] <lotuspsychje> its long time ago :p
[07:51] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:36] <MonkeyDust> yes but no
[10:36] <lordievader> No but yes?
[12:38] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[12:39] <lordievader> o/
[12:50] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon mates
[12:51] <MonkeyDust> hi
[12:52] <lotuspsychje> hello MonkeyDust
[12:53] <lotuspsychje> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/the-default-wallpapers-of-ubuntu-15-10-wily-werewolf-gallery-493511.shtml
[12:53] <lotuspsychje> willy wallz
[12:57] <lotuspsychje> hi glebihan
[12:59] <lotuspsychje> yowza cfhowlett :p
[13:00] <cfhowlett> hey ^3 lotuspsychje
[13:00] <lotuspsychje> whats the time in china
[13:00] <lotuspsychje> 15h00 here
[13:00] <cfhowlett> 2100 Central China Time
[13:00] <lotuspsychje> belgian sunny weather here
[13:00] <cfhowlett> time for ...
[13:00] <lotuspsychje> IRC!
[13:00] <cfhowlett> coffee and waffles??
[13:00] <lotuspsychje> lol
[13:01] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: did the wolf come clean yet?
[13:01] <cfhowlett> indeed
[13:06] <lotuspsychje> !mircspec
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> !mirspec
[13:07] <ubot5`> Details about Mir can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mir/Spec
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> wow looks pretty complex
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> !paid
[13:11] <ubot5`> If you've purchased software from the Software Centre and are experiencing issues please consult https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Pay
[13:11]  * lotuspsychje is browsing new factoids
[13:12] <lotuspsychje> tieinv: afternoon
[13:12] <tieinv> lotuspsychje, morning
[13:13] <lotuspsychje> !upgradeofflts
[13:13] <ubot5`> To upgrade from an LTS release of Ubuntu to the next (non-LTS) release, run sudoedit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades and change the prompt= line to "prompt=normal". Then, do sudo do-release-upgrade to begin the upgrade.
[13:13] <lotuspsychje> so this would make 14.04 goto 15.04 right?
[13:14] <cfhowlett> lotuspsychje, nope.  it would try 14.10 but as 14.10 is no longer live, eolupgrade
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> so in wich cases do we need this trigger?
[13:15] <cfhowlett> for those cases when someone requests LTS > next release
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> 16.04 -> 16.10?
[13:16] <cfhowlett> yep
[13:16] <lotuspsychje> cool
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> 12.10 and 14.10 eol so
[13:18] <lotuspsychje> !shellshock
[13:18] <ubot5`> Ubuntu has released security updates for both recent bash vulnerabilities for all currently-supported versions of Ubuntu. Use your preferred package manager to apply all pending updates. See http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2362-1/ , http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2363-1/ , and http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2363-2/ for more information.
[13:20] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: i didnt know your pic shows on a trigger: http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu&search=&order=added%20DESC&page=0 female#ubuntu-offtopic
[13:21] <cfhowlett> eh?  give me a tiny url --- that one didn't complete
[13:22] <cfhowlett> ah, found it
[13:22] <lotuspsychje> lol
[13:22] <cfhowlett> oh, see, now, that's just mean ...
[13:22]  * lotuspsychje hides
[13:35] <lotuspsychje> going slow again today
[13:35] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu is so good, users dont have troubles anymore
[13:35] <lordievader> Let's just believe that is the thing...
[13:35] <cfhowlett> fewer users, more trollers ...
[13:37] <lotuspsychje> soon we will be outa work
[13:38] <lordievader> Meh, don't think so.
[13:38] <lotuspsychje> lol
[13:38] <lotuspsychje> the 15.10 rush is almost there yayyyy
[13:38] <lordievader> Some people go to great lengths to redifine stupid actions.
[13:44] <MonkeyDust> i didnt have ubuntu-restricted-extras installed and never noticed!
[13:45] <cfhowlett> that's bad?
[13:45] <MonkeyDust> that's good, everything worked as it should
[13:46] <lotuspsychje> and your flash works ?
[13:47] <MonkeyDust> like in, youtube.com?
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[13:48] <MonkeyDust> yup
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> nice
[13:48] <MonkeyDust> "The HTML5 player is currently used when possible. "
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: afternoon mate
[14:14] <EriC^^> afternoon lotus
[14:19] <MonkeyDust> nice cartoon: Americans all carry a weapon, to defend themselves against people with a weapon
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:42] <Lego_2015> I was referred here. Hi guyz.
[16:43] <Lego_2015> Any body online?
[17:18] <DosTuMai> Question: is my hardware up to spec for running Ubuntu? https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1XfDBb8toplNkVzeWpXS1NvMG8
[17:19] <lordievader> DosTuMai: Of course, potatoes are capable of running anything!
[17:20] <lordievader> Potatoes > pies.
[17:20] <DosTuMai> Phew.
[17:21] <DosTuMai> Glad I upgraded the hardware from a lemon.
[17:21] <lordievader> Ah, yeah.  *Fist shake.*
[20:07] <daftykins> hmm this guy saying you can cp an iso to a /dev/sdx sounds interesting
[20:08] <daftykins> would probably make helping make flash drives a lot easier if true
[20:09] <Bashing-om> I done inserted my foot in my mouth this day, I hope 1 is my quota for the day . Let's see if 'cp' will do that ( I do have my doubts !) .
[20:20] <daftykins> yeah i'm a bit hesitant, i'm not on a host system to test right now though
[20:23] <Bashing-om> Human nature to make things more complicated than they are ?
[20:25] <DossieWossieBoo> Pretty much. Doesn't Ubuntu mount .iso files without doing a cp to /dev/sdx?
[20:27] <Bashing-om> DossieWossieBoo: I do it : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot <-Ubuntu ISOs are designed to allow booting directly from the hard drive using GRUB 2 and eliminates the need for burning a CD/DVD.
[20:29] <DossieWossieBoo> That's pretty much what I do.
[20:29] <daftykins> well that's lovely and all, but not hugely practical for new users
[20:31] <Bashing-om> ^^ a fact. Booting the .iso does take a level of familiarity ( and want to ).
[20:32] <daftykins> definitely would be handy for all those ones we get that want to clean install but don't have a flash drive (somehow) :D
[21:59] <pauljw> bbl... dinnertime
[22:26] <daftykins> can't be long before 15.04's death now, no? January?
[22:28] <daftykins> AndroUser is getting the full teams attention today :)
[22:29] <Bashing-om> Yeah, and making of patience a virtue .
[22:29] <daftykins> TJ-: fwiw i already checked for ~/ file ownership, intel only graphics according to Xorg's log, but i gave up on the sight of PPAs and said just reinstall :D
[22:29] <daftykins> no idea why it boots him, we also tried another user account
[22:29] <daftykins> (freshly made one) though can't be sure that it was made correctly
[22:30] <TJ-> Really? Hmm, I saw mention it is kubuntu using sddm, is that correct?
[22:31] <daftykins> yeah, although he's messed around with switching that to lightdm i think now
[22:31] <daftykins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12655595/
[22:31] <daftykins> here's a sign of how crufted that install is ;)
[22:34] <TJ-> daftykins: incorrect paths in the sources.list
[22:35] <daftykins> bit annoyed i was lied to about ~/
[22:35] <daftykins> must be the guy didn't know how to 'less' a listing at a TTY
[22:36] <TJ-> Looks like an Android user :)
[22:36] <OerHeks> i wonder why androuser uses alien/rpm, as he has a .rpmdb in his homefolder...
[22:36] <daftykins> probably from another ridiculous installation that goes hand in hand with all those messy PPAs :(
[22:37] <OerHeks> oh, then he should try #kubuntu :-D
[22:37] <daftykins> XD
[22:37] <daftykins> TJ-: how are the huskies today sir?
[22:38] <TJ-> OerHeks: I've had that in the past from breaking source-code out of RPMs
[22:38] <TJ-> Well, they got me round the field in about 20 minutes this afternoon ( Pepper tows me on the bike!) - usually takes 40 minutes
[22:39] <OerHeks> TJ-, there are surely reasons, i just wonder why he uses it. especially with sddm
[22:39] <daftykins> :O
[22:39] <daftykins> they wanted to get home and warm maybe :)
[22:39] <TJ-> Silver has the hump because I'm not letting her on the leather sofa where she keeps making a mess :D
[22:39] <daftykins> hahaha, doggy is denied
[22:39] <daftykins> i was just vacuuming up several spare cats around my place
[22:39] <TJ-> She's a sly one too... the moment we're not looking she sneaks on very quilety
[22:40] <TJ-> Oh, we do that daily the Huskies never stop shedding
[22:42] <TJ-> Errr, daftykins were those messages for this channel :D
[22:42] <daftykins> nah :)
[22:42] <daftykins> i figure even if you get him going, that install is full of cruft
[22:42] <daftykins> but ah well
[23:03] <DossieWossieBoo> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1XfDBb8toplSWcxWE5PZkNCcEE
[23:04] <daftykins> what's this?
[23:04] <DossieWossieBoo> It's a link.
[23:04] <daftykins> you know we usually leave the stupid statements to #ubuntu :)
[23:05] <TJ-> daftykins: I'm keeping at it since I'm interested in the KDE side of things (probably going to start coding for KDE) so I'm trying to get to know it inside-out
[23:05] <DossieWossieBoo> I just thought I'd do something unexpected...
[23:05] <daftykins> TJ-: ah rightyo, good practice then
[23:06] <daftykins> (II) HELPER: Starting: "/usr/share/sddm/scripts/Xsession" "gnome-session --session=cairo-dock"
[23:06] <daftykins> o0
[23:07] <daftykins> do i spy a conflict o0
[23:08] <OerHeks> maybe a stupid thought: does that drive contain errors, so it is read only now?
[23:09] <OerHeks> after trying to set a cookie, something stops , see line 133 and on
[23:11] <TJ-> daftykins: Yeah, but the timestamps are WAY in the past
[23:11] <daftykins> ah is it one of those new in the top files o0
[23:11] <TJ-> The last entry is 13:40, the last start attempt was around 18:30
[23:12] <daftykins> he claimed it was an upgrade from 14.10 to 15.04
[23:13] <TJ-> It looks like there may be several DEs installed


[02:06] <directhex> james_w for DD!
[05:36] <billybigrigger> dtchen, ping
[05:36] <billybigrigger> or anyone
[05:36] <billybigrigger> since karmic, how come there is no way to change the audio output device?
[05:36] <billybigrigger> sound preferences nor pavucontrol can change the actual output device, just the volume and input device
[11:27] <dupondje> New versions of debian packages are still getting synced into Karmic ?
[11:28] <ojwb> not automatically
[11:28] <maxb> dupondje: We are past DebianImportFreeze, syncs now happen only on a case by case basis when manually approved
[11:29] <dupondje> oh ok, is there a way to request a sync ?
[11:30] <directhex> yes. with requestsync!
[11:31] <maxb> dupondje: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess tells all
[11:39] <dupondje> the 'requestsync' programm doesn't work ? it keeps waiting after Do you want to edit the report before sending [y/N]? Press Control-C to abort.
[11:42] <dupondje> ok :) stupid ISP blocks port 25 :(
[11:43] <dupondje> Sync request mailed.
[11:45] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dutch/+bug/407951
[11:45] <dupondje> there it is ;)
[12:14] <maxb> dupondje: requestsync --lp uses the LP http api to file the request - I like it
[12:14] <maxb> You do have to set up the oauth credentials separately first, but i think it tells you how
[12:21] <iulian> Yes, it's documented in the manual page (see man manage-credentials).
[12:26] <dupondje> maxb: ok thx, anyway it worked with using my own mailserver ;)
[13:50] <shtylman> when will the new kernel upload (-5.24) be in the repos?
[14:07] <t3rm1n4l> may i know where is the hostname stored
[14:07] <t3rm1n4l> ?
[14:13] <shtylman> etc/hostname
[14:59] <Abd4llA> hi there, any idea what's the difference between /lib/libc.so and /lib/tls/cmov/libc.so ?
[14:59] <Abd4llA> /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so
[15:15] <pitti> apachelogger: devkit-disks does allow that, but it's not the place to configure the default moutn options (this needs to be fed by GNOME or other UI)
[15:15] <pitti> apw: devkit-disks --mount has a --mount-options switch
[15:16] <pitti> apw: unfortunately there is no counterpart for the old gnome "volume" properties (by design, as I learned from David)
[15:38] <maxb> Abd4llA: The ones in deeper directories are ones compiled with certain optimizations requiring a kernel/cpu which supports certain features
[15:53] <Abd4llA> maxb: thnx alot
[16:30] <Edico> hi
[16:31] <TheMuso> ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[16:31] <TheMuso> ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[16:31] <TheMuso> ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[16:32] <Edico> here looks like jaunty has mit-scheme http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/devel/ but when I search it with synaptic is not there
[16:32] <TheMuso> Ng: /x
[16:33] <Edico> I included universe repos
[16:33] <Edico> and mit-scheme is not in my x86_64 ubuntu
[16:34] <StevenK> mit-scheme is a *source* package name, not a binary package name
[16:35] <TheMuso> oops
[16:35] <TheMuso> the jos of long tarveling
[16:35] <StevenK> Oh, no, it is.
[16:35] <StevenK> mit-scheme is i386 only
[16:50] <Edico> StevenK, so mit-scheme is not included for ubuntu x86_64?
[16:51] <markg85> Hi, i have a question about ubuntu packages.. What i want to do is build a package from source (nautilus) and use the configure line from the official ubuntu nautilus package. But the problem is that i can't find that configure line (not in the .asc file) so.. where is that hidden?
[16:53] <ojwb> debian/rules
[16:53] <StevenK> Edico: Right, it is only built for i386
[16:55] <markg85> ojwb, that can't be everything: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-gnome/desktop/unstable/nautilus/debian/rules
[16:55] <StevenK> markg85: Looks fine to me
[16:55] <markg85> ojwb, StevenK , like: what is the --prefix? what is the --bindir?
[16:56] <ojwb> whatever cdbs defaults them to
[16:56]  * ojwb knows little about cdbs, sorry
[16:56]  * markg85 knows nothing about cdbs :P
[16:57] <markg85> in prm and archlinux this is all just visible in the spec and PKGBUILD file....
[16:57] <markg85> prm... rpm
[18:23] <stgraber> hmm, the powerpc build is broken ?
[19:37] <dtchen> billybigrigger: unlikely pong
[19:37] <billybigrigger> why unlikely? :P
[19:38] <dtchen> billybigrigger: i always check idle time first
[19:38] <billybigrigger> :P
[19:39] <dtchen> shtylman: after it's binary-NEWed, i.e., within a day
[19:39] <billybigrigger> so quick question, is there a better app to be using than pavucontrol, or the dumbed down 'Sound Preferences' to change audio output device?
[19:39] <dtchen> shtylman: if you're really itching to grab the debs, see the upload queue for /karmic
[19:40] <dtchen> billybigrigger: unfortunately, on
[19:40] <dtchen> no*
[19:40] <billybigrigger> there is no way to change output device?
[19:40] <dtchen> meaning: nothing better than pavucontrol at the moment
[19:40] <billybigrigger> pavucontrol won't even let you change output, only input device is changeable
[19:40] <billybigrigger> ahh atm :P
[19:41] <dtchen> err, pavucontrol _should_. are you using the context menu (or dropdown menu) in the Playback tab?
[19:41] <dtchen> (it's per-stream)
[19:42] <billybigrigger> i must have been really tired last night haha
[19:42] <billybigrigger> and hung over
[19:43] <billybigrigger> i was trying to help someone in +1 and now that i look you can change output
[19:43] <billybigrigger> in the configuration tab aswell as per stream
[19:43] <billybigrigger> in the Internal Audio Profile
[19:43] <dtchen> right.
[19:43] <billybigrigger> my bad, sorry for the useless ping
[19:43] <dtchen> np
[19:44] <billybigrigger> looking closer, Sound Preferences is the same thing
[19:44] <billybigrigger> 1 more question, why doesn't Sound Preferences = pavucontrol
[19:45] <maco> is pavucontrol or padevchooser the thing that's goin away?
[19:45] <dtchen> sound prefs has a couple bugs that are known. it has a subset of pavucontrol's functionality due to the latter being a bit complex and unintuitive UI-wise
[19:45] <dtchen> maco: both are deprecated in some sense
[19:46] <maco> you said you have a fix for the squeak when the sound powers down on this laptop right?
[19:46] <dtchen> it was linked in my post to ubuntu-devel{,-discuss}
[19:46] <maco> kk
[19:46] <dtchen> it's an older kernel; i'll need to refresh my schroot and rebuild against current ubuntu-karmic.git
[21:05] <johanbr> Does anyone feel any responsibility for abiword? 2.8.0 will be released soon. It'd be nice to have this version in Karmic (current is 2.6.8).
[21:16] <ScottK> johanbr: It's used by xubuntu, so whatever their development channel is would likely be your best bet.
[21:16] <ScottK> cody-somerville: ^^
[21:38] <johanbr> ScottK: Ahh, right. Thank you.
[21:41] <MaxPower9> #join #ubuntu
[21:42] <MaxPower9> sorry
[22:46] <picklesworth> before I try upgrading it, does anyone here happen to know /why/ the Imagemagick package in Ubuntu and Debian is quite out of date?
[23:03] <dupondje> picklesworth: old ? <IP_ADDRESS> isn't that old ?
[23:04] <picklesworth> well, it's /kind of/ old for impatient people like me :)
[23:04] <dupondje> make an own package then ?
[23:04] <dupondje> in a ppa ?
[23:04] <dupondje> can't be that hard :)
[23:05] <picklesworth> Doing so right now!
[23:06] <picklesworth> It's my first time upgrading a package, actually. Looked crazy convoluted originally, but now I see it's quite straight-forward :)
[23:13] <RAOF> picklesworth: You might want to check what Debian's doing; I noticed an imagemagik transition notice on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:13] <picklesworth> okay, thanks RAOF :)


[00:20] <stgraber> FWIW, tested the current wubi trunk on Windows 8 and it worked to install Ubuntu from the network, didn't try with a media as I didn't have any around. Now installing Windows 8 in a VM to have a better test environment.
[00:57] <GrueMaster> I would think we should special case Windows 8 as a nuke & pave installation.  But that's just me.
[01:41] <infinity> GrueMaster: Heh.
[01:41] <infinity> GrueMaster: wubi via Windows Update?
[01:42] <GrueMaster> That would be better than the McAffee Antivirus update that made nt.dll a virus.
[01:44] <GrueMaster> Er, svchost.exe.  My bad.  Still was a funny oops.
[14:14] <cyphermox> cjwatson: thanks for the extra review for ifblacklist_migrate.sh. I don't think I'll rewrite it in python or anything else yet though, I'd just like to fix this and move on to something else. definitely something to think about later though, but at this point it's also shipped by NM for the only purpose of providing it to d-i, perhaps that should be folded into the d-i 55NetworkManager finish-install.d script
[14:16] <cjwatson> mm, we didn't do that because it was tied to what NM happened to want at any given point so it made more sense for it to be in NM
[14:16]  * cjwatson goes quietly insane writing a parted gptsync test script
[14:18] <cyphermox> ah
[15:14] <stgraber> cjwatson: Do you see a potential problem with the patch from bug 888281 (except that it's been done the wrong way around so needs reversing :))?
[15:14] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 888281 in wubi "Boot from FAT32 error and return to grub menu" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/888281
[15:22] <cjwatson> stgraber: oh!  I was ignoring it on the basis that hardcoding loop0 was obviously wrong ;-)
[15:22] <cjwatson> wonder why I did that
[15:23] <cjwatson> argh argh context-format diff with no context
[15:23] <cjwatson> I think it's wrong though - I'll follow up
[15:24] <cjwatson> there's no reason why grub's loop device ordering should match that in the booted OS, and it often won't
[15:29] <cjwatson> hm, well
[15:29] <cjwatson> I suppose that it's *telling* grub to name it that way; but it seems like it would go wrong if somebody loop-mounted something while update-grub was running
[15:32] <cjwatson> oh, no it wouldn't, that wouldn't change the existing numbering
[15:32] <cjwatson> OK, I think I've convinced myself that it's fine
[15:33] <stgraber> ok ;) are you planning a grub2 upload soon where you can bundle that patch or should I apply it now?
[15:39] <cjwatson> stgraber: I've applied it to Debian; I expect I'll upload at some point over the next few days
[15:40] <stgraber> cool, thanks
[16:22]  * stgraber starts looking at ubiquity's keyboard indicator now that we have a gi binding for it
[16:46] <kyleN> ev. Hi. how is the list of keyboard layouts in oem-config populated (precise). can we restrict the list to a target set easily?
[16:50] <ev> kyleN: it peers into console-setup's brain via debconf. I don't believe there is a way to restrict the set presented.
[16:51] <kyleN> ev. does the selection default to the best choice for the language the user selected?
[16:51] <ev> yes
[16:51] <ev> the language and timezone
[16:52] <kyleN> ev. ok thanks
[16:52] <ev> sure thing
[16:54] <cjwatson> stgraber: cool; sounds like it will take a while, though, so I think I'll go ahead and upload ubiquity if you don't mind
[16:55] <stgraber> cjwatson: I have it done here, just need testing :)
[16:56] <cjwatson> oh wow
[16:56] <stgraber> apparently the gi port has an identical API to the old python-xklavier, so I just switched to that and changed the build-deps and deps
[16:56] <cjwatson> where was the existing code?
[16:57] <cjwatson> ah, ubiquity/misc.py
[16:57] <stgraber> tests/test_misc.py and tests/test_misc.py both were simply disabled with a warning pending the port to gi
[16:58] <stgraber> so far it looks like http://paste.ubuntu.com/874822/ but it hasn't been tested yet, waiting for tests/run to finish building all the d-i components :)
[16:59] <cjwatson> if I'd known it was that easy ;-)
[17:02] <stgraber> well, then we still have all the keyboard indicator bugs, the most annoying one being bug 800561
[17:02] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 800561 in libxklavier "No way to add other keymap than english on Live CD" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/800561
[17:04] <stgraber> >>> engine = Xkl.Engine()
[17:04] <stgraber> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[17:04] <stgraber> stgraber@arkose-tmpMYJ4gW:~/data/code/ubiquity/ubiquity$
[17:04] <stgraber> ...
[17:05] <infinity> stgraber: That looks promising.
[17:05] <stgraber> :)
[17:06] <stgraber> always interesting to see python segfault...
[17:06] <infinity> Well, I assume the segv is in a module, not python.
[17:06] <infinity> (Or in a library linked by a module)
[17:07] <stgraber> yeah, it's just that with the old bindings we'd get a nice python stacktrace, now we get a segfault and need to debug it ... :)
[17:15] <bdmurray> cjwatson: what else would be useful in bug 949992?
[17:15] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 949992 in update-manager "Upgrade from Lucid to Precise results in broken grub configuration" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/949992
[17:17] <cjwatson> the "Removing update-grub hooks" bit is fine
[17:17] <cjwatson> anyway it's busted debconf configuration
[17:17] <stgraber> cjwatson: I'll push the gi change but keep it disabled with the old warnings, then upload ubiquity, anything else you want to include before uploading?
[17:18] <cjwatson> stgraber: nothing from me
[17:20] <CIA-32> ubiquity: stgraber * r5237 ubiquity/.bzrignore: Add po/Makefile.in to bzr ignore list
[17:20] <cjwatson> bdmurray: I've followed up to the bug
[17:22] <CIA-32> ubiquity: stgraber * r5238 ubiquity/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Switch from python-xklavier to gir1.2-xkl-1.0 though keep the code disabled as the binding segfaults
[17:24] <CIA-32> ubiquity: stgraber * r5239 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog debian/control): releasing version 2.9.25
[17:26] <stgraber> doh, forgot to run pyflakes and should have ...
[17:26] <stgraber> doing some ugly branch fixing now, will take a sec
[17:32] <stgraber> ok, all fixed, hopefully nobody will have pulled during these 5 minutes...
[17:36] <stgraber> uploaded
[18:14] <stgraber> cjwatson: bug 950125
[18:14] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 950125 in ubiquity "[ftbfs] Fails to build due to test failing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/950125
[18:14] <stgraber> and confirmed with the .25 upload (failed on the builder)
[18:15] <stgraber> that's odd because the test passed fine here on my machine
[18:15]  * stgraber checks if there's some gtk/theming upgrades available
[18:18] <stgraber> ok, no updates though I opened that unity session a few days ago, let's try with a clean one ...
[18:18] <cjwatson> #ubuntu-devel
[18:18] <cjwatson> shnatsel mentioned it there
[18:18] <cjwatson> I hate that test, it's not like it's actually accurate, but we need something like it ...
[18:19] <cjwatson> it might be sensitive to some default theme we don't build-dep on
[18:21] <stgraber> I'm also usually running without xvfb, not that it should cause a big difference
[18:21] <cjwatson> running through sbuild now
[18:22] <stgraber> ok
[18:22] <cjwatson> not that that will do much other than agree with the builder, I expect
[18:23] <stgraber> I guess we could compare the .24 and .25 build log to figure out what changed
[18:28] <stgraber> confirmed that the test passes fine on my laptop with a fully up to date Precise, so the missing build-dep sounds very likely
[18:30] <stgraber> and passes fine in xvfb too
[18:30]  * stgraber starts disecting build logs
[18:34] <stgraber> nothing obvious in the list of packages getting installed on the buildd: http://paste.ubuntu.com/874958/
[18:36] <stgraber> I'll try a PPA upload adding light-themes as build-dep, see if the helps
[18:36] <cjwatson> I wonder about locales
[18:36] <cjwatson> though you'd think we'd have noticed
[18:37] <cjwatson> I think I've tried light-themes before in an attempt to make that test more reliable and it wasn't obvious it helped
[18:37] <cjwatson> but feel free
[18:37] <cjwatson> do you have a version diff?
[18:39] <stgraber> cjwatson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/874972/
[18:39] <cjwatson> odds on gtk I reckon :)
[18:40] <stgraber> gnome-icon-theme might also be interesting :)
[18:40] <stgraber> but yeah gtk is 1st on the blame list as usual ;)
[18:48] <stgraber> test build running with a build-dep on ubuntu-artwork
[18:48] <stgraber> I suspect build-dep on light-themes wasn't enough as the gsettings override file is shipped by ubuntu-artwork
[19:12] <stgraber> cjwatson: yay! https://launchpad.net/~stgraber/+archive/experimental/+build/3270148
[19:13] <stgraber> so apparently build-dep on ubuntu-artwork does the trick
[19:13] <cjwatson> interesting!
[19:13] <stgraber> should I just commit that to trunk and release 2.9.26?
[19:14] <cjwatson> yeah, please
[19:14] <cjwatson> thanks :-)
[19:14] <stgraber> np
[19:15] <CIA-32> ubiquity: stgraber * r5240 ubiquity/debian/ (changelog control): Add a build-depend on ubuntu-artwork to force the right theme to be used in the unit tests
[19:16] <CIA-32> ubiquity: stgraber * r5241 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.9.26
[22:26] <stgraber> right, so looks like ubiquity will now also contain a bluetooth agent ;) (bug 644198)
[22:26] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 644198 in ubiquity "Ubuntu LIve Cd does not enable bluetooth before choice menu in live-cd" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/644198
[22:35] <stgraber> cjwatson: hmmm https://launchpadlibrarian.net/95997096/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-amd64.ubiquity_2.9.26_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz now ubuntu-artwork fails to install on amd64 for some reason ... I guess I'll just retry the build as it worked in my PPA
[23:16] <stgraber> infinity: any clue as to what's happening there https://launchpadlibrarian.net/96008343/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-amd64.ubiquity_2.9.26_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ?
[23:17] <stgraber> infinity: it built fine on all the other architectures and worked in my amd64 PPA (though a bit earlier)
[23:17] <infinity> Archive skew, perhaps?
[23:17] <stgraber> I downloaded the LP chroot and ran the same apt-get in it and couldn't reproduce
[23:17] <infinity> amd64 is a bit backlogged.
[23:17] <infinity> Though, if you can't reproduce, that's odd.
[23:17] <stgraber> yeah and I'd have expected to see the skew on my laptop too (I'm running amd64) and I definitely don't
[23:18]  * infinity has a look.
[23:18] <stgraber> well, I'm affected by an archive skew but not that particular one apparently ;)
[23:18] <stgraber> (gwibber is held back here)
[23:19] <infinity> I might have to push for zram-config by default on all installs next cycle.
[23:19] <infinity> Installing it on my laptop has made it much happier.
[23:20] <stgraber> yeah, it sounds interesting and much cleaner than compcache
[23:20] <infinity> It kinda just works.  And my ghetto upstart job seems to do the trick.
[23:22] <infinity> Can reproduce here just fine.
[23:22] <infinity> It's the gconf skew.
[23:23] <infinity> (Which I already scored up for other reasons)
[23:23] <infinity> So, retry the build in ~40 minutes, should be fine then.
[23:23] <stgraber> hmm, ok, wondering if it's not my squid being a bit too clever and making me avoid that specific skew, that'd explain it I guess


 I remedied the problem with the intel and dual displays flickering/locking up by installing my NVIDIA card from my previous workstation.  Now the issue is that I can't hear sound, at all, even though pavucontrol syas it should be working
[13:57] <EvilRoey> oh good afternoon lordievader :)  Here it is 09:57
[13:57] <EvilRoey> EDT
[14:17] <EdgyMC_69> Hi. How do I install Qt 5.8 on 17.04? I've tried downloading a .run file from their website and it installed something but I don't think it replaced the commands in the terminal. How do I change that? Is there a variable that points to something like qt home?
[14:29] <lordievader[m]> EdgyMC_69: Do you need 5.8? Lots can break in such an upgrade.
[14:30] <EdgyMC_69> lordievader[m]: I want to compile rps3 and it requires 5.8. It's not something that I can just install and remove afterwards? Should I create a docker something?
[14:32] <EdgyMC_69> *RPCS3 not rps3
[14:33] <lordievader[m]> Lots of kde, if not all, depends on Qt. I would spin up a VM or container for it, yes.
[14:35] <EdgyMC_69> lordievader[m]: if I compile it using qt 5.8 will it work on 5.7?
[14:35] <lordievader[m]> Perhaps.
[14:37] <EdgyMC_69> Maybe I'll just boot to windows then. They have ready binaries for it and the driver situation for me is a bit better.
[14:42] <lordievader[m]> That is probably easier, fun to see there is a PlayStation 3 emulator.
[15:16] <Scunizi> Arg.. 16.04 doesn't like my computer and I need to downgrade to 14.04.  Startup Disk Creator (kde or G version) error when clicking the "Erase Disk" button on a 8gig usb stick.  (doing this on a 14.04 machine) any hints or tips?
[15:38] <R13ose> Hi
[15:39] <R13ose> How do I make sure when I click the trackpad on my laptop slightly, nothing happens.
[17:14] <Walex> R13ose: depends a lot on what you mean by that. Have a look at 'man synclient', 'man synaptics' and 'kcmshell4 kcm_touchpad'
[17:14] <Walex> R13ose:  there are some "sensitivity" settings there
[17:14] <R13ose> Walex: nope
[17:15] <Walex> R13ose: then send patches :-)
[17:15] <R13ose> Walex: I will look
[17:16] <R13ose> Walex: is there anything in settings?
[22:51] <butch> why on 16.04.2 i have to reboot when i install things like gpart and xchat
[23:03] <butch> kubuntu is now window have to reboot again think im gone from kubuntu


[00:06] <openstackgerrit> Merged openstack/cloud-init: It seems like httppretty 0.8.11 and 0.8.12 are broken  https://review.openstack.org/264464
[14:15] <smoser> harlowja, no. got cancelled.
[19:55] <SuperLag> I'm attempting to make a VMware VM that we can use anywhere. Currently "anywhere" means either a vSphere box, or AWS. When I export the VM to OVA, and then import to EC2, keys don't work. I've learned that cloud-init handles the piece of injecting the configuration when you bring up the instance the first time. I'm creating a user data file. I'm just not sure a. if I'm doing it right, and b. where to
[19:55] <SuperLag> put it / how to make sure the config gets applied, when I start the instance. I'm using RHEL 7.2 Server, btw.
[19:55] <SuperLag> I've got a start of the user-data file at http://pastebin.com/egBRbR7G
[19:58] <larsks> SuperLag: amazon has some docs on this at http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/user-data.html
[20:00] <larsks> SuperLag: Also of interest: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/22204001/how-does-ec2-install-the-public-key-from-your-keypair
[20:28] <smatzek> SuperLag:  heads up, change lock-passwd: false to lock_passwd: false
[20:29] <smatzek> SuperLag:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1531582
[20:42] <SuperLag> smatzek: thank you
[20:42] <SuperLag> still going through the config file
[20:46] <SuperLag> So cloud-init is ran once on first boot, right? Do I understand that right? Is there way to reset its status to "never ran", so I don't have to spin up multiple instances for testing?
[20:52] <larsks> SuperLag: Sure.  You can just remove /var/lib/cloud/instances/*
[20:52] <larsks> You can also run individual modules directly, but I always need to look up the syntax for that.
[20:56] <SuperLag> larsks: so far, I just want to set up a user, and make sure SSH works.
[20:59] <SuperLag> larsks: couldn't find mkpasswd to do a password hash, on OS X.
[21:01] <larsks> You could (arguably, should) just rely on ssh keys rather than worrying about passwords.  I don't think I even have mkpasswd on my linux box.
[21:01] <larsks> For just getting started, you should be able to rely on the existing user, and just use key-based login.  In this case, you don't even need to provide a user-data file.
[21:02] <SuperLag> that's the goal, no password login, only keys... but I'm afraid to enable it yet, for fear that I'll get locked out (again)
[21:02] <SuperLag> larsks: I haven't gotten it working, on multiple attempts
[21:02] <SuperLag> but I wasn't using cloud-init at that point
[21:02] <SuperLag> so how do I populate keys, if not with the user-data file?
[21:04] <larsks> You create (or import) ssh keys into amazon, where cloud-init will find them and use them for the default user (which differs by distro...on rhel7, should be "cloud-user").  http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/ec2-key-pairs.html
[21:05] <larsks> When you launch an instance, you tell it which keypair to use.
[21:08] <SuperLag> gah
[21:08] <SuperLag> I didn't know you could import your own keypair. *sigh*
[21:08] <SuperLag> I'm going to go bury my head in the sand somewhere.
[21:18] <SuperLag> Nope. See it's still asking for a password.
[21:19] <SuperLag> Okay. Confused.
[21:19] <SuperLag> you said the user for RHEL should be cloud-user
[21:20] <SuperLag> and *that* works
[21:23] <SuperLag> and even if I copy the authorized_keys file from ~cloud-user/.ssh/ to ~my-user/.ssh/ it *still* doesn't work
[21:23] <SuperLag> I don't get it
[23:37] <SuperLag> Do I need anything more involved than this? http://pastebin.com/3tDptjJC
[23:38] <SuperLag> Am I leaving something out?


[02:58] <AfC> Can someone suggest when cjwatson might be on?
[05:15]  * TheMuso sighs. Distributed development will *NEVER* *EVER* work IMO unless we switch to it wholesale.
[05:18] <micahg> TheMuso: what broke now?
[05:19] <micahg> TheMuso: well, people are supposed to check Vcs-* links before uploading
[05:20] <Tejas> tejas@tejas:~$ sudo su
[05:20] <Tejas> Cannot execute csh: No such file or directory
[05:20] <Tejas> need help!!
[05:20] <micahg> TheMuso: a gentle reminder is appropriate when someone forgets, if it becomes chronic, we should talk :)
[05:20] <micahg> Tejas: #ubuntu or #ubuntu+1 for support
[05:21] <Tejas> Thanks
[05:22] <TheMuso> micahg: The thing is, I have seen various reminders like that to the people in question on RIC before, and since it never seems to get through, I've given up.
[05:49] <didrocks> good morning
[05:53] <TheMuso> Hey didrocks.
[05:54] <didrocks> hey TheMuso
[06:17] <TheMuso> ~/c
[08:00] <Laney> morning
[08:01] <didrocks> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:04] <Laney> hey didrocks, I'm good thanks. What about you?
[08:04] <didrocks> Laney: I'm fine! Turned around the desk yesterday so that I can see the window. I'm under the impression to have a new office :)
[08:04] <didrocks> at least, a lot more light!
[08:05] <Laney> haha
[08:06] <Laney> I'll be moving home next week, so a whole new everything for me!
[08:06] <didrocks> waow! far from your present home?
[08:06] <Laney> no, just a couple of miles slightly closer to the city centre
[08:07] <didrocks> nice ;)
[08:07] <Laney> most importantly is that it's a place of my own - no more sharing :P
[08:07] <didrocks> heh, yeah, will be a big difference
[08:24] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[08:25] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson, good week-end?
[08:25] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, yeah, not too bad thanks. how about you?
[08:25] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: was good, thanks!
[08:26] <chrisccoulson> i had another barbeque at the weekend
[08:26] <chrisccoulson> but just for us this time, we didn't invite anybody around. which was quite nice :)
[08:28] <didrocks> heh, good that the weather is nice in the UK as well :)
[08:28] <mvo> chrisccoulson: hey, good morning, do you have any idea about https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acroread/9.5.1-1precise1/+build/3404003 ? I ask because you touched it last ;)
[08:30] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: you should have run away when you still had time, I saw mvo preparing his machiavelic plan on #software-center :)
[08:30] <didrocks> hey mvo!
[08:30]  * didrocks hugs mvo
[08:31] <chrisccoulson> mvo, it seems that ia32-libs is not installable. not sure about that though. i guess acroread should be multi-arch'd at some point. i just haven't had time to do it ;)
[08:33] <mvo> didrocks: ha! a spy ;)
[08:34] <didrocks> mvo: sneaky, isn't it? :p
[08:38] <mvo> ;)
[08:59] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128, i didn't notice you there! how are you?
[09:00] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, I'm good thanks, how are you?
[09:01] <seb128> chrisccoulson, woke up early, I had to go out for some errands but I'm back ;-)
[09:01] <chrisccoulson> heh
[09:01] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'm not too bad thanks, other than https://bugs.launchpad.net/globalmenu-extension/+bug/1025011/comments/47 ;)
[09:01] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1025011 in firefox "Firebug extension causes firefox to crash (can be triggered by opening HUD)" [Critical,Confirmed]
[09:02] <seb128> chrisccoulson, is that still the same you were working on 10 days ago?
[09:02] <seb128> or another hud like issue?
[09:02] <chrisccoulson> seb128, it's a second issue, triggered by firebug and made worse by the way the HUD works
[09:03] <seb128> chrisccoulson, what made it start? you suggest in that comment it's an external factor?
[09:04] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, it's a firebug change which exposed a couple of dormant bugs in our code
[09:04] <seb128> chrisccoulson, the SRU process takes 1 week, it's not that slow, and you can use security to bypass the week if that's a regression for a security update (firefox go through security)
[09:04] <chrisccoulson> seb128, a week is a long time for people who wake up unable to start their browser any more ;)
[09:05] <seb128> chrisccoulson, firefox doesn't suggest to disable addons when start is buggy?
[09:05] <chrisccoulson> seb128, no, it's a startup crash for most people. it doesn't even get that far
[09:05] <seb128> we can probably fast-track a fix if it's obvious
[09:06] <chrisccoulson> well, it will get disabled if mozilla decide to blocklist it
[09:06] <seb128> if it's non trivial though the SRU team will want the normal week testing
[09:06] <seb128> what? appmenu?
[09:07] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah. they have a blocklisting mechanism for problematic addons ;)
[09:07] <seb128> chrisccoulson, don't we ship appmenu in a deb and don't rely on the web? can they block that?
[09:07] <chrisccoulson> yeah, they can blocklist anything. firefox pings for a blocklist update every day
[09:07] <seb128> you better make sure we don't end up on that list :p
[09:08] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that would be bad
[09:08] <seb128> can you SRU that fix today and I will make the SRU team fast track it?
[09:08] <seb128> chrisccoulson, if you upload today we might still get that in 12.04.1
[09:08] <seb128> would be better to have the .1 iso with that bug
[09:08] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'll see what i can do
[09:08] <seb128> to *not* have
[09:09] <seb128> chrisccoulson, thanks
[09:51] <Chipaca> who do I have to pester to see movement on bug #1021661 ?
[09:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1021661 in bamf "emacs window not picked up on startup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1021661
[09:57] <didrocks> Chipaca: see on the product strategy channels, like #ubuntu-unity
[09:57] <Chipaca> didrocks: thanks
[12:24] <arand> If a package is in the multiverse repo, does apturls work? Second, is there a canonical place to get the "available on the SOC" button image(s)?
[12:24] <arand> ->Do they suggest adding multiverse if it isn't?
[12:27] <didrocks> arand: hey, I think it does suggest adding it, but mvo can confirm ^
[12:32] <arand> For using the image on a wiki, is there a place I can link it, or would I use a static image, e.g. http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~canonical-ca-hackers/ubuntu-webcatalog/trunk/view/head:/src/webcatalog/static/images/scbutton-non-free-200px.png?
[12:34] <arand> Reading http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~canonical-ca-hackers/ubuntu-webcatalog/trunk/view/head:/LICENSE   It seems that I can't use the image though, since it's using the Ubuntu logo, and what I'm using it for would be documentation (of an official release)...
[12:47] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, my daughter has stuffed a pea up her nose
[12:50] <seiflotfy> alecu: can we agree on only logging non-local stuff (since local will be logged by zeitgeist anyhow :P)
[13:50] <chrisccoulson> how on earth does the fact that i have an application spewing lots of debug info to a console running tmux slow compiz down to an unusable crawl? :/
[14:16] <kenvandine> jdstrand, did you get a chance to look at bug 1029549
[14:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1029549 in libsignon-glib "[MIR] online-accounts and friends" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1029549
[14:29] <jdstrand> kenvandine: not yet, very high on my todo list
[14:29] <kenvandine> cool
[14:29] <kenvandine> it's blocking me getting some patches merged into other apps from main
[14:29] <kenvandine> jdstrand, thanks!
[14:42] <ayan> all: we're seeing a bug in one of the OEM teams where upon resume from S3, you're left with a black screen and a mouse pointer only.  has anyone else seen this kind of bug?
[15:18] <Laney> dput ubuntu ... is bad muscle memory when uploading dubious stuff to a crack PPA :P
[15:18]  * Laney caught it in time
[15:19] <didrocks> Laney: I had some dummy wrapper at some point doing that :)
[15:19] <didrocks> another dput in path, asking "ehhhhh, are you sure?"
[15:19] <Laney> hah
[15:19] <Laney> I think I'd just get too used to confirming everything
[15:19] <Laney> need a captcha or something
[15:20] <Laney> or something that punches me in the face
[15:20] <didrocks> tssss :) not!
[15:20] <didrocks> the confirm was only on a heuristic that I didn't want to push this package to ubuntu
[15:20] <didrocks> otherwise, no confirm :)
[15:20] <seb128> you need a smart wrapper at least
[15:20] <seb128> like if the version has ~ default to a ppa
[15:20] <Laney> worth an upload, worth the pain of being punched :P
[15:20] <seb128> like ~ppa or
[15:20] <didrocks> that and package name :)
[15:20] <Laney> that would be good
[15:21] <didrocks> when unity was not ready to be pushed to the distro but only in the ppa, it was scanning that :)
[15:21] <didrocks> (for the whole stack)
[15:24] <Laney> need some way of testing this fontconfig stuff
[16:21]  * didrocks grrr about no-typeahead
[17:23]  * didrocks waves good evening
[18:02] <dobey> kenvandine, mterry: are you guys super busy? or might you have a few minutes to review a new package for universe in quantal?
[18:03] <mterry> dobey, I'm about to eat a late lunch.  But after, I can
[18:03] <dobey> mterry: great. ping me when you get back. and enjoy lunch :)
[19:08] <mterry> dobey, so what sort of review do you need?
[19:10] <dobey> mterry: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1035392
[19:10] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1035392 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] u1db" [Wishlist,In progress]
[19:11] <mterry> dobey, so you don't need this in main or anything, just a sanity check and upload to quantal?
[19:12] <dobey> mterry: yeah, just needs to be in universe for quantal; we'll probably try to MIR it next release though
[19:12] <mterry> dobey, sure thing
[19:13] <dobey> mterry: and once it's in ubuntu, would like to have it added to the ubuntuone package set as well of course :)
[19:13] <dobey> don't remember who i'm supposed to bug about that though
[19:14] <mterry> dobey, I think an archive admin
[19:34] <micahg> dobey: the DMB can do that, you just need to mail devel-permissions asking for it
[19:34] <dobey> ah, that's the list, right. thanks micahg
[19:34] <micahg> mterry: new sources need 2 MOTU/core-dev signoffs before upload, dobey is seeking those reviews :)
[19:35] <micahg> well, technically before archive entrance, not upload, but it's usually not nice to force the AA reviewing to be the second
[19:36] <dobey> micahg: care to review it?
[19:36] <dobey> :)
[19:36] <micahg> dobey: I don't think you want to wait until I have time for it :), although I might be able to work it into my piloting...
[19:38] <mterry> dobey, u1db looks fine to me.  I'd run update-maintainer on it, but that's it.
[19:38] <dobey> micahg: should be quick for you to do, if you can find a couple minutes to do it. i tried to take proper care of everything when setting up the nightlies builds of u1db a couple months ago :)
[19:39] <micahg> dobey: ok, will try to take a look when I pilot then
[19:39] <micahg> mterry: can you comment in the bug to that regard?
[19:39] <dobey> mterry: ah, right. good catch. i'll fix that now, thanks :)
[19:40] <mterry> micahg, sure
[19:40] <micahg> thanks
[19:45] <dobey> mterry, micahg: just re-attached the files after rebuilding after update-maintainer
[21:15] <seb128> micahg, since when are double ack needed for NEW packages?
[21:17] <micahg> seb128: umm, as far back as I know (uploader can count as one), dobey isn't MOTU/core-dev so he needs 2
[21:17] <seb128> ok, weird rule, we never applied it around
[21:17] <micahg> seb128: basically 2 eyes on each package
[21:17] <micahg> *sets of eye
[21:18] <seb128> that's always the case, sponsors and archive admin reviewers are not the same person
[21:18] <micahg> seb128: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages#Going_through_MOTU
[21:19] <micahg> fourth bullet in the second section
[21:19] <seb128> is motu still a thing?
[21:19] <micahg> yes
[21:19] <micahg> but core devs count as MOTU
[21:19] <seb128> that document doesn't say that ;-)
[21:20] <micahg> this does: https://launchpad.net/~motu :)
[21:20] <micahg> well, this one: https://launchpad.net/~motu/+members#active
[21:20] <seb128> well, anyway usually one sponsor is enough for most thing, motu might have their rules but I don't think they make sense
[21:20] <seb128> we strungle enough on reviewers and sponsors
[21:20] <micahg> seb128: this is for a new source
[21:20] <seb128> right
[21:21] <seb128> well, we do without that for most desktop packages and nobody told us off for it
[21:21] <seb128> so I guess it's a motu specific stuff, I will not comment on what they do
[21:21] <seb128> but there is no reason to apply that to e.g dobey's upload
[21:21] <micahg> well, the idea is to prevent bad stuff from hitting the archive
[21:21] <micahg> so, the double check is to make sure that nothing's been missed
[21:21] <seb128> well, if a coredev and an archive admin don't prevent that you have another issue
[21:22] <seb128> we double check
[21:22] <seb128> it requires an uploader and an archive admin to get to universe
[21:22] <stgraber> well, whoever-uploads + reviewing-AA == 2 so it's technically always true, unless you get a sponsor who doesn't review the upload, but then that sponsor really should stop sponsoring stuff
[21:22] <micahg> well, that's 2, but the AAs are usually super busy, so that's why they're not inherently counted there
[21:22] <seb128> then you add a mir reviewer for main
[21:22] <seb128> well, aa are needed to get to the archie
[21:22] <seb128> so they are always counted
[21:23] <seb128> you can't get out of the NEW queue without an archive admin review
[21:23] <stgraber> I'd be quite scared if an AA wasn't doing a full package review, that's after all what they're supposed to do isn't it? :)
[21:23] <stgraber> not saying they're not busy, they certainly are, but if they do a review I'd expect them to do it completely
[21:23] <micahg> they count, but the idea is to prevent a lot of back and forth on the archive admin's part as they have plenty of other stuff to do
[21:23] <seb128> well, if anyone has upload right they should know better than throwing back and forth unready stuff
[21:24] <micahg> seb128: well, we're human, we all make mistakes, it's especially hard when one is engrossed in something to always see the flaws hence the outside review
[21:24] <micahg> seb128: anyways, I offered to review/upload dobey's package already, so it's not an issue in this case
[21:25] <seb128> well, as said we have 2 people there, the uploader and the archive admin reviewer
[21:25] <seb128> but the "you need 2 ack before upload" doesn't make sense, we have enough slowness and blockers in our processes without adding extra ones
[21:26] <seb128> speaking as an archive admin I'm happy to review anything that got uploaded, usually people who are granted upload rights know enough to not make us waste much time
[21:26] <micahg> seb128: we have a limited number of archive admins and more uploaders, it would seem to make sense to not block on the AA having to review/write up lots of package rejection mails (and we do get plenty still from what I've seen)
[21:27] <micahg> anyways, there shouldn't be new sources all that often that it would actually slow anything down
[21:28] <seb128> right, let's apply best judgement there, I do trust most of the people on that channel to not do stupid things with their uploads and when they do it's usually trivial to fix and a short rountrip
[21:28] <seb128> but I will refrain to comment on whether that's true or not for other groups ;-)
[21:30] <dobey> heh
[21:31] <dobey> i'm just trying to follow the documented process on the wiki :)
[21:32] <micahg> dobey: I applaud you're choice here, which is one of the reasons I agreed to do the review
[21:32] <micahg> s/you're/your/
[21:37] <micahg> seb128: oh, it actually does say coredevs are included, 1st bullet point, first section
[21:38] <seb128> well, that rules might make sense for new comers
[21:39] <seb128> it should probably be updated to consider ppu uploaders at the same level that motus
[21:39] <seb128> than
[21:39] <seb128> it likely didn't get revisited since we have ppu and upload sets
[21:41] <micahg> no, we specifically relate it to people with component level access, the idea is a broad base of knowledge to be able to catch most issues, PPU are very limited in scope
[21:42] <micahg> akin to DMs who can't upload new packages initially
[21:43] <micahg> s/relate/limit/
[22:43] <jasoncwarner_> morning everyone
[22:46] <Laney> I don't think the archive admin's review is the same as a sponsor's one.
[22:46] <Laney> but also that is indeed a MOTU process, not something for the whole archive
[22:47] <Laney> and it can only ever be advisory


[06:30] <zequence> ese311: ardour2 doesn't have midi support
[06:30] <zequence> ese311: I recommend you to try both qtractor and ardour3 (ardour.org)
[16:46] <msanta> Hello people!
[16:47] <msanta> I'm going to move to Ubuntu Studio from Win7+Adobe CS5
[16:47] <msanta> Now installing
[16:47] <msanta> Wish me luck )
[16:47] <holstein> enjoy! you'll be fine as long as you understand its *not* win7 and adobe CCS
[16:48] <holstein> and as long as you give it as much time to get used to as you did windows and adobe css
[16:49] <msanta> holstein: I have some projects I had no time to finish in Win7, so I'll have enough time to get ot to know!
[16:49] <msanta> Thank you for you welcome !)
[16:50] <holstein> glad you found us.. cheers!
[16:51] <msanta> holstein: And sorry for my English - I was quite good on studies, but don't have any practice at all =(
[16:51] <holstein> msanta: sounds good to me.. i didnt know you werent a native english speaker :)
[16:53] <msanta> hplstein: Thanks a lot for your words =) Oh, my installation is going to be done! So, Happy New year and have a good-good lick! Bye! )
[16:54] <holstein> msanta: thanks and same to you and yours!
[17:51] <olli> hello
[19:38] <miskopo> hello
[19:38] <miskopo> can you help me please?
[19:38] <holstein> !ask | miskopo
[19:40] <miskopo> I am installing Ubuntu Studio from LiveDVD and I got  message: CRITICAL **: Unable to create '/root/.cache/dconf' ; dconf won't work properly. There is no more progress. What can I do?
[19:40] <holstein> miskopo: i would test the installation media
[19:40] <holstein> miskopo: i would test the hard drive you are installing to
[19:41] <holstein> miskopo: if you are installing 12.10, try 12.04
[19:42] <miskopo> I am running on installing LiveDVD now, the hard drive is surrely ok, as it runs WirXP (what actually means it is not ok :D ). Can I interrupt the installation without breaking grub or Wirus Xp?
[19:42] <holstein> miskopo: i would consider actually testing the hard drive as it *will* fail at any time
[19:43] <holstein> miskopo: i dont know what state the installer, or your machine is in, so i cannot make any gurantees
[19:43] <holstein> !tty
[19:43] <holstein> i would try to get to tty and run "sudo shutdown -h now" ..or just from the menu or the terminal
[19:44] <holstein> if you feel your hard drive and ram are good, or just dont want to test them, then move on to testing the installation media and maybe one of the other volunteers will be abe to help you more
[19:44] <miskopo> ok, I'll run memtest from Ubuntu 10.04 on LiveUSV. Thank you for help, now I am going to shutdown
[19:44] <holstein> miskopo: good luck!
[19:45] <miskopo> thank you
[20:09] <wooden> i'm not able to resolve http://archive.ubuntustudio.org.  have the apt repos moved?  if so, what is the new uri?
[20:10] <zequence> wooden: Are you looking for an ISO image?
[20:11] <zequence> https://ubuntustudio.org/download/
[20:11] <wooden> no. i'd like to get a 3.2 kernel config that is optimized for rt audio.
[20:11] <zequence> wooden: The apt repos are the same as on Ubuntu
[20:11] <zequence> Ubuntu Studio is Ubuntu. There's no rt kernel in the repo
[20:11] <wooden> ah.
[20:12] <zequence> linux-lowlatency, a reconfigured -generic
[20:12] <zequence> It's in the main repo
[20:12] <wooden> zequence: thank you!
[20:12] <zequence> It's the default on Ubuntu Studio
[21:00] <zequence> wooden: you know about realtime privilege?
[21:00] <zequence> Not related to the kernel
[21:10] <wooden> zequence: mmm, no, not really.
[21:24] <zequence> wooden: When installing jackd, you are asked if you want jack to run with realtime privilege. Answering yes to that does not actually it all up on Ubuntu (on Debian it does, and it's a Debian package originally)
[21:24] <zequence> So, if you answered yes, you still need to do one more thing. Add yourself to audio group
[21:24] <zequence> sudo usermod -a -G audio $USER
[21:25] <wooden> zequence: okay. no worries on this front, as i am actually running debian squeeze, atm. thank you.
[21:25] <zequence> You need to logout/login for that to take effect
[21:25] <zequence> wooden: Debian Wheezy has a rt kernel
[21:26] <wooden> zequence: the default kernel is rt, or there's an rt kernel available?
[21:26] <zequence> There's a rt kernel available.
[21:26] <zequence> On Debian, users are members of audio group by default
[21:27] <wooden> i've got quite a bit of config invested in this box and i'm actually being productive, so i don't see a dist-upgrade coming on any time soon. :)
[21:28] <wooden> but thank you for the info.
[23:45] <marius> hello
[23:45] <Guest31850> is anyone here online?


[00:13] <DanRabbit> coz_: oh, I've never heard of it :po
[05:57] <JesseW> Is Ivanka Majic here?
[06:14] <xumuk> hi, there
[06:15] <JesseW> xumuk: hi?
[06:23] <JesseW> xumuk: can we help you?
[06:25] <xumuk> I just configured XChat and I met the first remembered channel, but thanx)
[06:25] <xumuk> yes, you can) sorry, I was thinking I was on another channel))
[06:26] <JesseW> no worries
[06:27] <xumuk> is there some open source graphic redactor PS like?
[06:27] <xumuk> Gimp, no, thanks)
[06:27] <xumuk> the good one...
[06:28] <JesseW> don't know, sorry
[06:29] <troy_s> Redactor?
[06:29] <xumuk> yes, something like PhotoShop
[06:54] <troy_s> xumuk: You won't find anything quite like photoshop. They are all crippled in one way or another in certain respects.
[06:54] <troy_s> xumuk: What is your issue with GIMP?
[06:56] <xumuk> not so many functions...
[06:57] <troy_s> xumuk: Um... well to be fair, that isn't one of GIMP's shortcomings.
[06:57] <xumuk> and I tried to do some thing I knew in PS and I've got no idea how to do it in Gimp...
[06:57] <troy_s> xumuk: When you say one of the winning entries, I'll confirm it.
[06:57] <troy_s> xumuk: That, I am afraid, is an invalid complaint.
[06:58] <xumuk> yes, it was that I afraid...
[06:58] <troy_s> xumuk: They are different applications so expect them to behave differently. Not only is GIMP a different application, it would also be legally impossible to clone PS.
[06:58] <xumuk> rtfm gimp, no? o_O
[06:58] <troy_s> xumuk: So while GIMP has _some_ shortcomings, the one you mentioned is merely a lack of knowledge on your part.
[06:58] <troy_s> xumuk: Well... or ask. :)
[06:59] <troy_s> xumuk: As I said, I am no GIMP apologist, but not knowing the application isn't quite GIMP's fault.
[07:00] <xumuk> thanx) I'm already go to sleep, but know where to ask... yeah, it isn't GIMP's fault)
[07:00] <xumuk> bb
[07:00] <troy_s> xumuk: If you have issues
[07:00] <troy_s> xumuk: Contact someone - there are more than a few people that might be able to help you.
[07:02] <xumuk> I've got too much tied for now... next time) thanks!
[12:03] <thorwil> vish: hi! may i kick your manual cover with my lynx from the wiki page?
[12:03] <vish> thorwil: i didnt understand? :)
[12:04] <thorwil> vish: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/Artwork?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Cover-tw.png
[12:04] <thorwil> vish: may i take that from the page, as i'm editing it right now, anyway?
[12:04] <vish> thorwil: yeah , oh , you dont want it there? ok sure.. but just curious why? ;)
[12:05] <vish> apart from the obvious  , i did it worng ;p
[12:05] <thorwil> vish: it's much weaker than your other 3, makes me cringe and no one else seems to like it
[12:05] <vish> thorwil: lol .. k.. ;)
[12:06] <thorwil> vish: thanks!
[12:06] <vish> np..
[12:18] <thorwil> vish: btw, your first version with wolter's lynx is better because the eyes is roughly on a height with "Manual". on the other version, where it sits lower ... that feels like a drop
[12:19] <vish> thorwil: i totally agree.. but benjamin wants it lower.. so i just put both of them up there ;)
[12:19] <thorwil> vish: try placing both lynx and title lower, then
[12:20] <vish> thorwil: also , most of the articles use the first version too..
[12:20] <vish> hmm.. then the space above seems empty.. :(
[12:20] <vish> thorwil: will give it a shot , i havent looked at the manual title for a while
[12:22] <thorwil> vish: you could try to remove the top right corner thing and add the version number after the ubuntu logotype
[12:22] <vish> thorwil: also , now people are saying that the name "Ubuntu manual" isnt decided to be the final version! o.0
[12:23] <vish> they might change the name...
[12:23] <thorwil> vish: heh, everyone of us who added a design proposal is an idiot ;)
[12:23] <vish> surely   :D...  not sure what's going on .. with all the rifts
[12:28] <thorwil> the wiki and just the presence of title page proposals mislead me to think the project would be more mature
[12:30] <vish> thorwil: yeah... i didnt really like the way the doc replies were handled :(    which kinda felt too silly
[16:32] <dashua> If anyone is running murrine v0.91.0 and would like to test an updated Dust - > bzr branch lp:~dashua/dusttheme/MurrinaDust . I have  Human, Hanso, and Albatross to push as well.  Any suggestions, let me know?
[16:32] <dashua> Thx
[16:45] <Equiet> dashua: Can you post a screenshot?
[16:49] <kwwii> dashua: hey, I had kenvandine put the new murrin in a ppa for those who wish to test it out
[16:50] <kwwii> dashua: I think we'll be switching to the new version in karmic, not 100% sure yet though
[16:50]  * kwwii cooks dinner
[16:53] <dashua> kwwii, Cool.  not messing too much with metacity themes due to the client side decorations in Lucid
[16:53] <dashua> I'll get them ready for review
[16:53] <dashua> Bbl
[16:57] <dashua> Equiet, http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/38689/screenshot_001_3rUVIZ.png
[17:22] <Equiet> dashua: In Applications menu, the selection should have only top and bottom border.
[17:24] <Equiet> I permanently don't understand, why uselected tabs are more contrast to the background.
[17:25] <Equiet> Scrollbars are too rounded.
[17:27] <Equiet> And for GtkCombo, the arrow doesn't fit there.
[17:29] <Equiet> And for "Applications" as selected item I would use brighter color instead of darker gradient.
[17:54] <troy_s> dashua: Only thing I'd probably notice on an otherwise pretty solid attempt is that the overarching tones in the interface are myriad. I see an orangey brown for the selected item in Applications, a muddy taupe in the unselected tabs, a chocolate in the progress sliders, a middle grey value in the scrollbar pills and gripper, and then the splash of standing out colour in the icons top left.
[17:55] <troy_s> dashua: The arrows in the groupbox are probably symptomatic of this. I wonder if you can generate a palette and sprinkle it around those various elements in such a way that it doesn't feel like clumps of curry that aren't properly mixed into the recipe.
[17:56] <troy_s> dashua: I don't know if you have enough diversity there for a triad, but you almost certainly have enough for a compliment. http://colorschemedesigner.com/
[17:57] <troy_s> dashua: It's all random opinion until you solidly sum up your goal and audience though. IF your goal is a sort of middle aged elegance ala Westernized thinking (as opposed to say, Asian or African art context) _maybe_ pushing it further along with that goal will help you cite some concrete changes.
[19:22] <dashua> troy_s, Thanks for the input. I'll definitely use that colorschemedesigner.  I've been using Agave for my Triads.
[19:22] <troy_s> dashua: Agave isn't quite as sophisticated as Colorscheme
[19:22] <troy_s> dashua: You can adjust your degrees and values etc.
[19:23] <dashua> Yeah, I see that.
[19:23] <dashua> This is nice
[19:23] <troy_s> dashua: And the version 2 you could download for local use. I think you can do it with 3 as well.
[19:24] <dashua> Awesome.  Agave seems very basic compared to this.
[19:24] <troy_s> dashua: Why did you choose to bold the window title / application menu?
[19:24] <troy_s> dashua: (And the clock for that matter)
[19:24] <dashua> Just a preference of mine while using Droid Sans fonts.  That is really the only time it looks half decent.
[19:25] <dashua> I can easily;y revert it back.
[19:25] <troy_s> dashua: Ok... I guess the follow up, what decision process did you use to arrive at Droid Sans?
[19:27] <dashua> Other than a personal preference on my eyes, no real process.
[19:27] <dashua> Have any suggestions on a better font?
[19:27] <troy_s> dashua: Give it a thought. At least the decision is personal - that's better than some fictitious reasoning.
[19:27] <troy_s> dashua: Better is relative. ;)
[19:28] <dashua> Very true.  There was another group of fonts kwwii posted a while back that were quite nice.
[19:28] <troy_s> dashua: What I was hoping you'd take from the above comments is that it is _all_ relative and subjective if you choose to randomly poll for evaluation. That isn't art/design nor should it be. The opinions and comments are relevant if and only if you manage to keep a point of perspective.
[19:28] <dashua> Just can't remember the name. =/
[19:29] <troy_s> dashua: So your first question might be something like 'What is the overall tone you are aiming at?'
[19:30] <troy_s> dashua: ?
[19:30] <dashua> Harmony from Xsplash - > GDM > Desktop
[19:31] <troy_s> dashua: That still isn't a tone. A tone is the overall state - the sum 'presence' of the parts. Is it rock and roll? Is it classical music? Is it spicy hot sexy? Is it sophisticated avant garde? Etc.
[19:31] <dashua> Not that is a requirement.  Continuity wise is flows better.
[19:32] <troy_s> dashua: Not disagreeing with you, but you might do yourself well to have a clear goal and set of constraints. Questions such as 'What typeface?' are _massive_ and _sweeping_ without some given sets of constraints. So by having those design constraints clear, some questions are self answering and far more evident than without them.
[19:34] <troy_s> dashua: Follow me?
[19:34] <dashua> troy_s, Gotcha.  This is basically just a refresh of the older Dust theme
[19:35] <troy_s> dashua: Sure... so throw some mud at the wall and see if it sticks. Figure out what it is not if you can't figure out what the tone _is_.
[19:35] <dashua> I have not specified specific goals and I see your point opinions are subjective without a clear focus.
[19:36] <troy_s> dashua: That would be part of the utter complexity of answering a question or working towards an end point - if you don't have a problem / question / destination, you are basically asking yourself "Ok... How do I get there?"
[19:36] <dashua> Exactly
[19:36] <troy_s> dashua: While it may have seemed a rather flakey question at the onset, I'd hope you can see how fundamentally critical that question is now.
[19:37] <dashua> troy_s, Aye.  Thx.
[19:39] <troy_s> dashua: Just give yourself a loose couple of parameters - "What is the emotional tone I'm aiming for with this?" and "Whom am I seeking to communicate that to?". Elegant, for example, has radically different manifestations in Korea to say, Istanbul. Even worse, your great grandmother's concept of elegance is a far cry from your father's.
[19:39] <dashua> For a tone, I would describe it as more subtle than the original with being overly glaring in your face.
[19:39] <troy_s> dashua: The following questions that pop up and the creative decisions are somewhat self-evident or at the very least, _far_ easier to answer.
[19:40] <troy_s> dashua: Subtle and In-You-Face still aren't a tone. ;)
[19:41] <troy_s> dashua: Your defining aesthetic choice with that screenshot is the wallpaper selection - wood texture. Why did you pick that? The answer might help you define the tonal context.
[19:43] <dashua> I see.  Contrast was one the main reasons.
[19:44] <troy_s> dashua: LOL. Worried about contrast?
[19:44] <dashua> The theme has a completely different look/feel on a darker background.
[19:45] <troy_s> dashua: Of course it does. That's the point. But you are falling into the classic 'design-by-amoeba' trap that is prevalent in our culture. You are driving on your trip without having any idea what direction or destination or reason you are driving there. From that, problems pop up that have no solutions.
[19:47] <dashua> I definitely see your point.  I do not believe  the artistic training to define such goals, but I'll give it a shot ;)
[19:47] <dashua> I have *
[19:49] <troy_s> dashua: Do it if only to help answer questions for yourself. The two questions above would go a long way to answering them for yourself.
[19:50] <troy_s> dashua: Once you realize how nebulous and subjective it all dissolves down into, you will probably have an epiphany on how those goals are the very bare minimum before you push a pixel. If you don't, you open up a world of bikeshedding. Bikeshedding is a byproduct of not focusing on WHO it is for and WHAT it is doing.
[19:52] <dashua> Very true.  You end end with a hodgepodge of ideas grouped together as one.
[19:53] <troy_s> dashua: Bingo.
[19:53] <troy_s> dashua: Or worse, you chase after competing goals.
[19:54] <troy_s> dashua: You can't be Classical Music and Punk Rock simultaneously.
[19:55] <dashua> I'm checking out your blog post http://troy-sobotka.blogspot.com/2010/01/six-ubuntu-oopsies-and-possible-quick.html for some insight.
[19:56] <dashua> troy_s, Yes.
[19:57] <troy_s> dashua: Well you would be better off reading someone with a bit of a clue.
[19:57] <troy_s> dashua: Rather than fritter away your time reading dribblings.
[19:59] <dashua> This is for an update to a community submission, no idea where the official direction is going.
[19:59] <dashua> troy_s, Alright, although some good points are made.
[19:59] <troy_s> dashua: If you answer those two questions above, you can probably at least have some clue on where to turn in the forest.
[20:00] <troy_s> dashua: But you can probably already see that.
[20:00] <dashua> I do. :)


[00:17] <BUGabundo> nite
[14:08] <Patricia> :D bom dia 'in CBA' :D
[18:35] <Patricia> :D voltei :D
[21:59] <BUGabundo> yo
[22:33] <Patricia> Voltei :D
[22:34] <BUGabundo> **
[22:35] <Patricia> :)
[23:25] <BUGabundo> great... latest natty update broke SUDO... can't reboot till fixed OR ELSE


[07:04] <tjaalton> LocutusOfBorg: could vbox in focal skip building the client dkms if kernel is fresh enough to have vboxsf?
[14:01] <LocutusOfBorg> tjaalton, is shipping it
[14:01] <LocutusOfBorg> in proposed- pocket :D
[14:01] <LocutusOfBorg> ping for releasing it
[14:02] <LocutusOfBorg> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox/6.1.26-dfsg-3~ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[14:02] <LocutusOfBorg> also in release
[19:11] <tjaalton> LocutusOfBorg: um, this is built on 5.14, whivh is why oem-5.14 has the autopkgtest failing
[19:11] <tjaalton> *which


[16:42] <kaltxi> dpm have I done everything I need to on https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+question/166319 ?
[16:57] <kaltxi> brb
[17:07] <kaltxi> back


[13:11] <agustin> hola
[13:21] <agustin> nadie?
[17:55] <strickly> all da ubunteros
[17:55] <strickly> in da HOUSE
[23:24] <strickly> ubunteanos INDA HOUSE


[00:11] <sili> We have a team here in the states and another team in the Philippines. The problem with accessing a shared bzr repo is that there's a lot of latency when accessing from the philippines. Can anyone suggest a work flow that would allow us to access the remote repositories less frequently but still keep changes mirrored?
[00:12] <AuroraBorealis> if you branch it (instead of just checking out) then it uses the local branch until you commit
[00:13] <AuroraBorealis> or update / whatever
[00:13] <sili> branching is still quite slow over SSH. Is there a way to maintain the repositories with some kind of push/pull?
[00:14] <sili> one repository at each site, then sync somehow
[00:15] <AuroraBorealis> thats what branching does.
[00:15] <AuroraBorealis> you branch it once
[00:15] <AuroraBorealis> then bind it to the place you just branched from
[00:15] <AuroraBorealis> then you make your changes, and it commits back to the repo
[00:16] <AuroraBorealis> and then the branch essentially is a mirror of the repo
[00:40] <sili> hmm
[00:40] <sili> branching is still slow
[04:54] <djzielin> still having problems with bzr
[04:55] <djzielin> the issue I had in June just happened again.
[04:55] <djzielin> namely I commit changes is some very small files.
[04:55] <djzielin> I issue the commit command...
[04:55] <djzielin> it shows the several small source code files that I modified.
[04:55] <djzielin> and then it uploads the entire branch
[04:56] <djzielin> which is 200+ MB
[04:56] <djzielin> why does this happen?
[04:57] <djzielin> I'm using sftp to a remote computer
[05:01] <lifeless> becaues you're using sftp
[05:01] <lifeless> it has to manage the database on disk using just file operations, and part of database operation is a 'pack' which will happen every power-of-10 commits.
[05:01] <lifeless> you should use bzr+ssh. *much* better.
[05:21] <djzielin> okay
[05:22] <djzielin> I'll change the branch.conf file
[05:24] <djzielin> thanks for the help!
[05:44] <AuroraBorealis> can anyone else browse code on launchpad? i'm getting 503's ;<
[05:50] <lifeless> should be fixed
[06:26] <vila> hi all
[06:27]  * fullermd vilas at wave.
[06:32] <vila> :)
[06:33] <vila> udd hackers: interesting failure when running import_package.py locally for tests: http://paste.ubuntu.com/675052/
[06:33] <vila> two remarks on that:
[06:34] <vila> 1) jubany doesn't use pycurl so we see a different error (probably caught as a socket error instead of a Connection error, may be (or not) worth fixing)
[06:35] <vila> 2) The librarian may  dislike being queried for an arbitrary url
[06:36] <vila> all in all, refresh_possible_transports is more brittle than expected, I wonder how we should make it more robust
[06:36] <fullermd> Man, things get worse with age.  Used to be, librarians just didn't like you talking...
[06:37] <vila> hehe
[06:45] <fullermd> Funny.  That makes me wonder if this library card I have still works...
[08:26] <benste> hi there - i took part in this years GSOC and now i need to know how i could get one big Diff file which includes all changes which I made to a branch
[08:26] <benste> how can i do this ?
[08:27] <benste> PS: - talking about lp:mailmanwebgsoc2011
[08:42] <vila> benste: find the first revision your're interested in then bzr diff -r<first_revno - 1>..
[08:42] <benste> thanks
[08:43] <fullermd> Alternately: do you really want "diff of all my revisions", or do you really want "my changes relative to upstream"?
[08:44] <benste> fullermd: i do want to have all my changes i did during Gsoc --  used bzr blame atm.
[08:44] <benste> fullermd: if you do have something for all MY changes - that would be best
[08:46] <fullermd> If you do something like "bzr diff -rancestor:<url of upstream trunk, or whatever you base your work off of>.." you'll wind up with "what I've changed relative to upstream"
[08:46] <vila> benste: did you commit all your changes to a local branch before merging them upstream ?
[08:46] <fullermd> Which will be more meaningful if e.g. you've merged upstream changes as part of your work.
[08:46]  * vila nods
[08:47] <benste> I've commited all my changes in about 150 commits
[08:47] <benste> which are all upstream
[08:47] <benste> but there are a few in between which are made by other persons
[08:47] <AuroraBorealis> the merge that took your changes and merged them upstream will probably have all differences
[08:47] <AuroraBorealis> look for that commit in the upstream branch
[08:48] <vila> AuroraBorealis: only if he merged them all at once
[08:48] <AuroraBorealis> is it possible to combine multiple diffs?
[08:48] <AuroraBorealis> ive never seen that done
[08:48] <vila> benste: hence my question, did you commit all your changes on s a single branch or did you create multiple branches ?
[08:49] <benste> vila: i do only want to have the changes in one upstream branch which is lp:mailmanwebgsoc2011
[08:49] <vila> AuroraBorealis: oh yes, you certainly did but didn't realize it ;) bzr handles snapshots so when you ask for a diff between two snapshots you get a diff that can encompass multiple revisions
[08:50] <vila> benste: there are various ways to get that, I'm searching for the easiest first
[08:50] <AuroraBorealis> does that work for revisions that are not sequential?
[08:50] <AuroraBorealis> like revisions 1, 2, 4, 7?
[08:51] <vila> it depends on whether you can find the right snapshots...
[08:51] <vila> or revisions
[08:52] <AuroraBorealis> well on his own branch
[08:52] <AuroraBorealis> or rather the upstream branch
[08:53] <AuroraBorealis> cant you do like for each revision (that he commited): get the diff of it and combine it?
[08:55] <AuroraBorealis> that seems easiest
[08:55] <vila> bzr log -l 25 --match-author '.*Vincent.*' -n0 -p
[08:56] <vila> doesn't combine but shows all my commits
[08:56] <AuroraBorealis> yeah, but now you need a combined diff for all of those commits
[08:56] <AuroraBorealis> i'm not too familiar with diffs so i have no idea how you combine them
[08:56] <vila> you can't
[08:56] <AuroraBorealis> you can't with bzr or is it just not reasonable to have a combined diff of multiple commits
[08:57] <vila> that's why I'm asking for some branch which may contain the right revision that can then be used to this combined diff
[08:57] <vila> what is the use case ?
[08:57] <AuroraBorealis> probably showing to employers / google sumer of code people what exactly you did
[08:58] <AuroraBorealis> although a huge combined diff might not be the best way to visualize that, since if you create some code, then edit it, it would just show that you added it? i dunno
[08:58] <vila> I can't think of way to combine arbitrary diffs, short of creating a branch with all these revisions either already there (and only them)
[08:58] <AuroraBorealis> it seems that you need the diff from the merge into the upstream branch
[08:58] <vila> such a branch can be created by cherry-picking all these revs though
[08:59] <AuroraBorealis> that way it shows code that is new, and what code you edited that was already there
[08:59] <fullermd> vila: First you import it into darcs...   :p
[08:59] <vila> fullermd: then you wait for the universe to cool down a bit ;)
[09:00] <AuroraBorealis> to do this you would probably have to merge diffs. which would in turn create diffs.
[09:00] <AuroraBorealis> INCEPTION
[09:00] <vila> AuroraBorealis: yes, but you imply that a single merge was done, I doubt it's the case
[09:00] <fullermd> The universe cooling down would be nice...
[09:00] <AuroraBorealis> svn has a 'combinediff' plugin
[09:02] <vila> AuroraBorealis: how does it deal with conflicts ?
[09:02] <AuroraBorealis> looking at the source
[09:02] <AuroraBorealis> which is C which i don't know very well
[09:02] <vila> AuroraBorealis: and with renames ?
[09:03] <vila> AuroraBorealis: and so on :)
[09:03] <AuroraBorealis> http://cyberelk.net/tim/data/patchutils/stable/patchutils-0.3.2.tar.bz2
[09:03] <vila> benste: so, rolling back a bit, what's your need ?
[09:04] <benste> vila: sry was a little while afk
[09:04] <benste> - i need to submit all my code to google
[09:04] <vila> benste: as a single patch or is a series of patches good enough ?
[09:05] <vila> if series is good enough, 'bzr log -p' is your friend
[09:05] <AuroraBorealis> and god i hate C
[09:06] <AuroraBorealis> i can never find where the code i actually want is :<
[09:06] <vila> and will contain more useful info than a single combined patch (like how many revisions, when, etc)
[09:07] <vila> benste: try playing with "bzr log --match-author '.*benste.*' -n0" first to check you've got all the revisions you want and not more
[09:07] <benste> vila: will try that
[09:08] <benste> -- author name would be my fullname --used for commits correct ?
[09:08] <vila> benste: you may want to tweak -n (aka --levels) depending on your branch history
[09:08] <vila> benste: whatever bzr log display for your commits
[09:09] <AuroraBorealis> bzr log doesn't have match author?
[09:09] <vila> benste: try 'bzr log -n0 -l 32' (tweak 32 until you get of yours, see at what depth (level) it is and use that )
[09:09] <vila> AuroraBorealis: requires >= 2.4 maybe ?
[09:10] <AuroraBorealis> maybe
[09:12] <benste> bzr log does only show the commit messages
[09:12] <benste> had to replace 32 to 162 which includes my first commit
[09:12] <vila> benste: yes, '-p' will show you the diffs
[09:12] <benste> bzr log does show all users commits
[09:12] <benste> not only mine
[09:13] <vila> benste: but first you want to identify only *your* commits with --match-author
[09:13] <vila> s/identify/select/
[09:13] <benste> ???
[09:13] <benste> --mathc author does not exist for log methode
[09:14] <benste> - AuroraBorealis said thsi earlier - can confirm that
[09:14] <AuroraBorealis> im using 2.3 though
[09:14] <vila> benste: !paste the excerpt of your 'bzr log -n0  -l162'
[09:14] <AuroraBorealis> might exist for a later version
[09:14] <vila> !paste
[09:14] <vila> AuroraBorealis: yes, hence >= 2.4
[09:15] <benste> http://paste.ubuntu.com/675112/
[09:15] <benste> I've used 163 to include a revision which is not mine
[09:16] <benste> - the oldest one is my demo that it's not filtered
[09:16] <vila> so, "bzr log -n0 -l 163 --match-author benste"
[09:17] <benste> vila: benste@benste-vpc-sb1c5e:~/Projects/Mailman/mailman_django$ bzr log -n0 -l 161 --match-author benste
[09:17] <benste> bzr: ERROR: no such option: --match-author
[09:17] <vila> benste: upgrade to 2.4, what os are you using ?
[09:18] <benste> 11.04 - ubuntu natty
[09:19] <benste> it's 2.3.11
[09:19] <benste> bzr
[09:19] <vila> benste: add the bzr stable ppa to your repositories and update
[09:20] <vila> https://launchpad.net/~bzr/+archive/ppa
[09:20] <AuroraBorealis> is 2.4 stable?
[09:20] <AuroraBorealis> it says that 2.4 is test
[09:21] <vila> not officially released but stable nevertheless, announcement currently blocked waiting for windows installers themselve waiting for bzr-svn to be released, benste shouldn't have to care
[09:22] <vila> benste: click the 'Read about installing' link for detailed instructions
[09:22] <AuroraBorealis> if this breaks my stuff i'm blaming you =P
[09:22] <benste> vila: thanks for the guide - although I'm quite new ot bzr I'm using ubuntu since 5.04 :)
[09:23] <vila> benste: should be roughly 'sudo add-apt-repository ppa:bzr/ppa'
[09:23] <vila> ha cool, congratulations ;)
[09:23] <benste> or open software center and add it in the GUI :) - open update manager and run updates - I'm just installing it
[09:23] <AuroraBorealis> i have as well. installing ppa's should be easier
[09:23] <benste> I know sometimes CLI is faster :)
[09:23] <AuroraBorealis> rather then copy/pasting two links
[09:23] <AuroraBorealis> and then saving the public key to a text file and importing that
[09:24] <benste> -- AuroraBorealis you don't need the key
[09:24] <benste> that done automaticly if you use the software center
[09:24] <AuroraBorealis> if i remember correctly, apt-get yells at you
[09:24] <AuroraBorealis> does it do it automatically now?
[09:24] <vila> benste: \o/ I didn't know SC can automatically add the keys ! Thanks !
[09:24] <AuroraBorealis> http://wiki.bazaar.canonical.com/WindowsDownloads
[09:24] <AuroraBorealis> no 2.4 beta release installer :<
[09:24] <vila> AuroraBorealis: add-apt-repository does
[09:25] <benste> vila: my 2.4 doesn't have match author eitehr !
[09:25] <AuroraBorealis> ive never seen that command before
[09:25] <vila> crap
[09:25] <vila> let me check
[09:26] <fullermd> 's not in 2.4.0...
[09:26] <benste> vila: maybe I'll have to restart first
[09:26] <benste> I've installed
[09:26] <benste> Version: 2.4.0-1~bazaar1~natty1
[09:27] <vila> argh, only available in 2.5dev1 :-(
[09:27] <AuroraBorealis> there should just be a regex style matching thing for log
[09:28] <benste> vila: hopefully you do understand that I woun't install 2.5 on my working machine -- did you ?
[09:28] <vila> benste: why ? That's what I use :)
[09:28] <AuroraBorealis> you can download the source
[09:28] <AuroraBorealis> and then invoke it manually
[09:28] <AuroraBorealis> and not use it for production
[09:28]  * vila searches for a fallback, yeah, AuroraBorealis suggestion could work for a one-shot case
[09:29] <benste> vila: I'm going to ZA for 11 months starting next week - accessing resources like updates or installation media in case of something brakes will be very difficult there
[09:29] <vila> benste: sure thing, was kidding
[09:29] <AuroraBorealis> just download the source onto your desktop
[09:29] <benste> if it's really that easy couldn't I gently ask you to get me this big diff ?
[09:29] <AuroraBorealis> and cd to the directory and just do ./bzr log
[09:30] <benste> btw . did you consider that there will be a lot more Gsoc students asking this in the couple of next weeks ?
[09:30] <AuroraBorealis> well technically
[09:30] <AuroraBorealis> hmm
[09:32] <AuroraBorealis> i still think its really easy to download a temporary copy of 2.5 to generate the log  :3
[09:32] <vila> benste: oh, you want fish ? ;) Here is some: http://paste.ubuntu.com/675122/
[09:32] <vila> benste: does that includes all the wanted revisions ?
[09:33] <benste> looks like this is correctly filtered
[09:33] <benste> now the only thing missing is the code :)
[09:33] <benste> you said -p ?
[09:33] <benste> AuroraBorealis: I'm not that confident which branch / file I'll have to download
[09:33] <benste> I'm stuck on https://launchpad.net/~bzr/+archive/daily?field.series_filter=natty
[09:34] <AuroraBorealis> i just did a bzr branch lp:bzr
[09:34] <vila> benste: uploading
[09:34] <vila> http://paste.ubuntu.com/675124/
[09:35] <benste> 51000 lines of code WOW
[09:35] <benste> many thanks
[09:35] <vila> lines of diff != lines of code ;-)
[09:35] <benste> -- should i write a short how to + need to use bzr 2.5 on the students list ?
[09:35] <AuroraBorealis> yeah
[09:36] <AuroraBorealis> just say "you need 2.5, and to cd to the directory, ./bzr log -p --match-author "something"
[09:36] <vila> benste: sounds like a good idea, but an even better one will be to recommand keeping a pristine branch of your work may be
[09:37] <benste> what's pristine ?
[09:37] <vila> one keeping track of your commits only
[09:38] <vila> which can be merged upstream as you progress (but the merges will occur upstream not locally, keeping a clean branch there)
[09:38] <vila> from this branch, you can get a combined diff with only: 'bzr diff -rsubmit:'
[09:38] <AuroraBorealis> but then dont you have to merge changes from upstream back into your own branch?
[09:39] <vila> errr, sorry, won't work for the parts already merged, what's the right revspec there...
[09:39] <benste> :)
[09:40] <benste> will tell them to use 2.5 and the command we've had earlier
[09:46] <vila> benste: yeah, there is no easy shortcut for such cases which could be used for a simple diff :-/
[09:46] <benste> :)
[09:46] <benste> so, "bzr log -n0 -l 163 --match-author benste"
[09:46] <benste> many thanks for your help
[09:46] <vila> get rid of the '-l 163' it was just to limit the output while searching for the right range
[09:47] <benste> well I think this might be helpful especially for those who contributed to their project before Gsoc as well
[09:47] <benste> + I've already send the mail to the list
[09:48] <vila> hehe, that last one is definitive ;)
[11:04] <zyga> hi
[11:04] <zyga> when I'm branching stuff from lp:ubuntu/lucid/package I get strange new messages
[11:04] <zyga> Most recent Ubuntu Lucid version: 2.2.4-1build1
[11:04] <zyga> Packaging branch status: CURRENT
[11:04] <zyga> is that some new feature?
[11:13] <jelmer> zyga: yep
[11:13] <jelmer> vila: finally made some progress on that bzr-svn bug
[11:13] <jelmer> vila: doing the QA for 1.1.0 now
[11:19] <vila> jelmer: hey ! Very quiet around here this morning, I wondered for a minute it was Sunday or something...
[11:19] <vila> jelmer: that's *very* good news !
[11:19] <jelmer> vila: accidentally working during the weekend
[11:19] <jelmer> been there, done that.
[11:19] <jelmer> :)
[11:20] <vila> hehe
[11:39] <jam> zyga: http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/bzr.dev/en/release-notes/bzr-2.4.html#id4 item 2
[11:55] <zyga> jam: thanks
[12:04] <vila> jam: you said "most-compatible way for 2.4", how come you did miss the *two* times I said I was talking about bzr.dev not 2.4 ?
[12:12] <jam> vila: I'm still not sure that I would change it for trunk either.
[12:13] <vila> That wasn't the question ;)
[12:14] <vila> But anyway, 6 classes sharing some API and no central place to control it is scary, if you can't introduce a base class, then may be you should add some sort or parametrized tests to limit the possible divergences
[12:18] <vila> grrr, trying to reproduce a failure with an import taking >2 hours only to see it succeeds...
[12:20] <jam> vila: RemoteRepository doesn't inherit from Repository either
[12:20] <jam> we've got a fair history of using duck-typed interface based apis
[12:20] <jam> rather than inheritance based
[12:21] <vila> and you feel ok with code duplicated 6 times and no common tests ?
[12:22] <jam> vila: there really isn't a way to test that Graph acts like Repository, is there?
[12:22] <jam> it isn't duplicated code
[12:22] <jam> since they all implement their history store differently
[12:22] <vila> with respect to get_parent_map ?
[12:22] <jam> vila: yes
[12:22] <vila> so you have the same API behaving in 6 different ways ?
[12:23] <jam> vila: sometimes get_parent_map() takes lists of tuples, sometimes lists of strings, sometimes ...
[12:23] <jam> but Graph can still walk the graph
[12:23] <jam> as long as you pass it things that the underlying parent_map can provide
[12:24] <vila> either it's the same API or it's not
[12:24] <vila> if it's not having the same name is not good
[12:25] <jam> vila: the api is "give me X and I'll return a dict mapping X to its parents"
[12:25] <jam> which they do all conform to
[12:25] <jam> and is why you can use Graph(VersionedFile)
[12:25] <jam> or Graph(Repository)
[12:25] <vila> good, if they conform, they can be tested
[12:25] <jam> even though the former thinks of "keys" and the latter of "revision_ids"
[12:25] <jam> vila: they're all pretty well tested, just not grouped
[12:26] <vila> that's the point
[12:26] <vila> if they aren't grouped they can (and will) diverge
[12:26] <jam> vila: they haven't in 5-ish years...
[12:27] <vila> sorry ?
[12:27] <vila> I thought you just changed at least one of them ?
[12:46] <vila> jam: if you don't want to address that *now*, I don't have *any* issue with that, but at least file a bug while all the needed bits are paged-in, you've just demonstrated how vital this piece of code is (dropped from 2hrs down to 54s) and how a bug can have a huge impact here. You can't just hope that nothing else will need the same amount of effort to debug.
[13:00] <lag> Is there a way to delete logs in bzr?
[15:55] <skraps> help get SSL options for everyone for free on pastebin like this page on face book http://pastebin.com/f4e0diQP
[18:08] <vila> jelmer_: \\o \o/ o// \\o \o/ o//
[18:08] <jelmer_> vila: :)
[18:20] <cheater> hi!
[18:20] <cheater> i have a problem but i don't know how to properly describe it
[18:20] <cheater> basically i have a "huge" bzr repo
[18:20] <cheater> i would like to take one directory out of it and put it up on bitbucket
[18:21] <cheater> which uses hg
[18:21] <cheater> what is the best way to do that?
[18:21] <cheater> i would like to have bidirectional communication between the two
[18:22] <cheater> is that what you call an "external" or something to this effect?
[18:25] <jelmer_> cheater, probably using bzr-fastexport + hg-fastimport
[18:26] <cheater> is this something i have to "run" every time i update the one or the other?
[18:26] <jelmer_> cheater, yep
[18:27] <jelmer_> cheater, it would probably be one way
[18:27] <cheater> will doing bzr up "run" it?
[18:27] <jelmer_> no
[18:28] <cheater> hmmmm
[18:28] <cheater> i wish bitbucket just had bzr support :(
[18:29] <jelmer_> cheater, it's likely something like what you're asking for will be supported in the future when either bzr-hg is improved or support for externals lands in the core
[18:29] <jelmer_> gtg, back later
[18:29] <cheater> thanks
[19:45] <yshavit> hi everyone... bzr push (and merge) say I have uncommitted changes, but bzr st doesn't list anything, and bzr ci tells me there's nothing to commit. Any ideas?
[19:46] <yshavit> (I expect there to be nothing to commit, btw -- it's push/merge that I believe are "broken", though it's probably pebkac)
[19:47] <yshavit> and also, when I check on lp, the most recent version is indeed the one I most recently committed
[19:50] <yshavit> Oh, hm. I did a bzr ci --unchanged and it complained about three missing files and then forced the no-op commit through, now it all works. I think my IDE was the broken link.


 Beta freeze is today
 I've seen that before, it's sort of a bug. Resolved this the the old themes by tweaking the CSS. I'll look into it. (re @ahayzen: )
 I've seen that before, it's sort of a bug. Resolved this in the old themes by tweaking the CSS. I'll look into it. (edited) (re @ahayzen: )
 Sweet thanks :-) (re @wimpress: I've seen that before, it's sort of a bug. Resolved this in the old themes by tweaking the CSS. I'll look into it.)
 @wimpress @RikMills do you know whom has access to merge the slide translations - https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/import-translations/+merge/399350
 https://launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow/+members#active (re @philipz: @wimpress @RikMills do you know whom has access to merge the slide translations - https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/import-translations/+merge/399350)
 thanks @RikMills.
 presume none of them are here :D
 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2021-March/005205.html
 Kubuntu announcement is out - https://twitter.com/kubuntu/status/1376624139260162051
 I really like that image. is that the kubuntu wallpaper for 21.04
 That's Sylvia Ritter's artwork for 21.04. https://www.deviantart.com/sylviaritter/art/Hirsute-Hippo-869076072?comment=1%3A869076072%3A4910311555
 I love it! It’s so hypnotically calming
 I so hope she makes a print of it!
 wish there was a landscape version, so I could use it as a wallpaper
 That is awesome
 A bit off-topic but I've been thinking about trying to see if #Ubuntu would be interested in sponsoring her to work on a 22.04 wallpaper. I'll probably put up a posting in the Discourse about that and see how people feel.
 Hang fire. It's a commercial conversation we have had (re @franksmcb: A bit off-topic but I've been thinking about trying to see if #Ubuntu would be interested in sponsoring her to work on a 22.04 wallpaper. I'll probably put up a posting in the Discourse about that and see how people feel.)
 would be great if a press-release/blogpost could be put out after the testing week on its success, with the number of volunteers that participated, how many test reports were filed, examples of some of the critical bugs that were caught, quote from the desktop team, etc.
 That does sound like an interesting idea! Are those stats easy to come by? (re @philipz: would be great if a press-release/blogpost could be put out after the testing week on its success, with the number of volunteers that participated, how many test reports were filed, examples of some of the critical bugs that were caught, quote from the desktop team, etc.)
 Maybe also add a quote from a first-time participant who is okay being quoted?
 Not sure how to gather the stats, but in my recent interview on Destination Linux, it was a question that they wanted to ask, but one that I couldn't answer. Not sure how one would pull the stats out of the ISO tracker
 We can see what we can get
 gdoc link shared in the flavors channel