[15:50] <meena> falcojr: you ever done Erlang, or Common Lisp?
[15:51] <falcojr> @meena: a little bit of CL and some clojure back when it was popular for like a year but it's been a while
[15:51] <falcojr> why?
[15:52] <meena> before i had this version of the code, i tried to build retries, and it was terrible
[15:53] <falcojr> build retries?
[15:53] <meena> it was also wrong, because i hasn't realised that I was trying to stop a syslogd that wasn't running, and that was the thing that was failing
[15:54] <meena> retry loop with try and except
[15:56] <falcojr> I'll reject any PRs with tail recursion ;)
[15:56] <falcojr> but yeah, retry loops can get ugly
[16:16] <minimal> what's the thoughts about the DigitalOcean datasource?
[17:08] <falcojr> I'd like to see if anybody from DO responds to that PR. If they have no use for it, then I think we should remove it, but I don't want to assume it's not used at all.
[19:49] <minimal> falcojr: agreed. Their reply (so far) seems to indicate they're not interested in the DO datasource


[07:17] <darkxst> anyone around that could upload http://pastebin.com/4vcJxuRb for me? I should have upload rights to it, but its a new source package and packagesets haven't updated yet
[07:17] <darkxst> it really needs to land before next daily build kicks off later tonight ;)
[07:22] <darkxst> infinity, perhaps? ^
[07:28] <infinity> darkxst: Can do.
[07:29] <darkxst> infinity, thanks ;)
[07:32] <infinity> darkxst: Done.
[07:35] <infinity> darkxst: And added gdm3 to the ubuntugnome packageset for next time.
[07:35] <darkxst> infinity, laney has script that is meant to handle the packagesets ;)
[07:36] <infinity> darkxst: Well, I cheated. :P
[07:36] <darkxst> infinity, ok
[07:38] <darkxst> it was a pretty epic merge
[07:38]  * darkxst waiting for the real fallout
[07:39] <darkxst> gdm hadnt been merged since the 2.x days, and the whole gdm -> gdm3 change made for fun


[03:15] <Kilos> hi HnyBdgr
[03:41] <Symmetria> *sigh* Leonard Cohen died - man thats a true loss for the world of music
[07:07]  * Kilos waves to the za peeps
[07:14] <chesedo> hi Kilos and others
[08:04] <zipper> Sup dudes
[08:50] <Kilos> hi zipper superfly
[08:54] <zipper> Kilos: Rocking out
[09:36] <inetpro> good mornings
[09:36] <inetpro> Kilos: wat sê hulle by die huis, hoeveel reen het julle gehad?
[09:38] <superfly> good evening
[09:39] <inetpro> yesterday morning we had 45mm and last night another 19mm
[09:40] <superfly> inetpro: did you activate the boat feature of your house?
[09:40] <inetpro> haha, was not as bad as Johburg on Wednesday... that was hectic!
[09:41] <inetpro> no draining system would ever handle such huge amounts of waters from the skies
[09:43] <inetpro> yesterday morning came with quite a bit of hail, plenty of fresh leaves all over, but luckily we still have small Avocados and Litjies on the tree
[09:43] <inetpro> broken fresh leaves on the ground*
[10:44] <Kilos> nie gehoor nie inetpro
[10:44] <Kilos> well any rain is good
[10:46] <inetpro> another friend in Pretoria sent us a picture of his flooded kitchen which looked like a leakage of the washing machine
[10:48] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:48] <Kilos> i go bath now. near 10pm
[10:48] <Kilos> sjoe
[11:09] <andrewlsd> Hi peeps
[11:37] <Kilos> hi andrewlsd
[11:39] <Kilos> night all. have a good day
[20:04] <captine> evening all


[00:25] <fta> http://www.osnews.com/story/20503/Ballmer_Microsoft_May_Look_at_WebKit
[14:16] <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/BlueGriffon.png
[18:14] <directhex> fta, what is?
[18:16] <fta> directhex, http://bluegriffon.org/
[18:17] <directhex> what happened to "nvu"?
[18:17] <fta> dead
[18:17] <fta> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvu
[18:17] <fta> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KompoZer
[18:18] <sebner> fta: and kompozer? ^^
[18:18] <fta> KompoZer is still alive, but it's based on mozilla 1.7
[18:18] <sebner> fta: still alive? I thought it was also dead
[18:19] <fta> well, maybe
[18:20] <fta> Latest stable version: 0.7.10 (2007-08-30)
[18:20] <fta> ok, dead too
[18:23] <sebner> heh
[18:23] <sebner> fta: so bluegriffon is a new try?
[18:23] <fta> yep, restart from scratch
[18:24] <fta> same author though
[18:24] <fta> i was curious (once again) so i packaged it
[18:24] <fta> another xulapp :)
[18:25] <directhex> pfft. webkit port!
[18:25] <fta> sebner, it's in my ppa for intrepid and hardy if you want to give it a try
[18:26] <fta> just remember it's not even v0.1
[18:37] <fta> damn, libqt4-dev depends on libqt4-webkit
[18:39] <fta> and on tons of stuff :(
[18:39] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/69704/
[20:34] <fta> [reed], qt is broken in trunk since the last cairo upgrade :(
[21:17] <sebner> fta: I think kde/qt is generally broken :P
[21:17] <fta> sebner, where?
[21:18] <sebner> fta: *generally* :P
[21:19] <fta> really? i'm not using it at all so i don't know. here, i'm just trying to build two xul in one package, 1 gtk2, 1 qt
[21:20] <fta> i'm almost done but it fails inside moz cairo
[21:20] <fta> mozilla bug 463924
[21:21] <sebner> fta: you just didn't get the joke :P
[21:21] <fta> hm


[00:18] <dunpeal> Hi. Is there a way to set a keyboard shortcut for "Always on top"?
[00:32] <rosaecaeruleae> do you still use truecript?
[01:17] <synks> anyone has no brightness control on their laptop after install?
[01:17] <synks> using nvidia*
[01:18] <drc> synks: Are you saying there is no brightness control widget or that there is, but it doesn't work?
[01:19] <synks> just doesn't work, tried various fixes to no avail
[09:01] <KM0201> can anyone explain why this happens.  Annytime i drag/drop something, my point gets "stuck" with two pointers... but otherwise functions normally.  If i try to take a screenshot of the "two" pointers, it simply shows up as one pointer (ie, normal).. the only way I've found to fix it, is to restart X..
[11:47] <xubuntu098> qualcuno per un aiuto?
[11:47] <knome> !it | xubuntu098
[12:22] <Morrog> Good morning Xubuntu :)
[12:26] <Morrog> i have an odd problem with the applications menu (not using whiskermenu). i messed it up somehow, and wanted to revert it to the default post-install state. so i copied an xfce-applications.menu file from the installation medium, put it in ~/.config/menus... and the menu is not reflecting any change. Any idea what I need to do?
[15:07] <xubuntu392> hi
[15:54] <jed_> hi all
[15:54] <jed_> i am newbie on xubuntu
[15:55] <GridCube> !hi | jed_
[15:55] <jed_> tq for respons
[15:56] <cfhowlett> !manual | jed_ read the manual.  read www.fullcirclemagazine.org
[18:17] <xubuntu62w> hi can someone help me with being able to copy files to usb i am having trouble with permissions
[18:18] <linuxer1995> What a filesystem are you using?
[18:19] <linuxer1995> EXT4 or NTFS or FAT32?
[18:20] <xubuntu62w> xubuntu
[18:21] <cfhowlett> xubuntu62w, xubuntu is the OS, not the filesystem ...
[18:21] <xubuntu62w> ext4
[18:23] <xubuntu62w> can someone help
[18:24] <krytarik> !details | xubuntu62w
[18:24] <drc> xubuntu62w: Just to make it clear, <you> formated the external USB drive with ext4?
[18:25] <cfhowlett> drc, wait, what?  that should be fat32 for the boot USB, shouldn't it?
[18:26] <drc> cfhowlett: I would think so...that's why I asked if <he> formated the drive.
[18:26] <xubuntu62w> yes formatted it to ext4
[18:27] <drc> xubuntu62w: I have never formated a USB drive to ext4...ntfs yes...never could figure out the permissions thing.
[18:28] <cfhowlett> xubuntu62w, solution: recreate the USB, formatted to fat32
[18:29] <xubuntu62w> just formatted it to fat32 and when i right click on properties it is all greyed out
[18:30] <xubuntu62w> on the permissions tab
[18:30] <cfhowlett> xubuntu62w, unmount first
[18:30] <xubuntu62w> i did
[18:30] <halpme> strangest of things. Yesterday my laptop recognized wifi AP at college and at home. At home it listed 5, among them mine. I used that AP for 6 hours and updated my xubuntu 14.10. Everything went all right. I even rebooted to complete upgrades, and after that the machine worked well
[18:31] <halpme> this morning it went back to offline mode. it didnt get any wifi AP at home, now im at college and its exactly the same, not a single wifi AP
[18:31] <cfhowlett> xubuntu62w, create partition table
[18:31] <drc> halpme: gremlins (of maybe Santa's elves) at work :)  Any way, congrats.
[18:31] <drc> opps...too fast.
[18:31] <halpme> why does my machine randomly detect wifi AP?
[18:32] <halpme> my roommate gets internet without problems, all students at college get wifi anywhere on campus
[18:33] <halpme> "enable networking" is activated, but no WIFI AP are detected
[18:36] <drc> halpme: I'm out of ideas...sorry.
[18:37] <koegs> halpme: what is the output of "sudo rfkill list"?
[18:39] <halpme> koegs: none
[18:39] <xubuntu62w> so i unmounted, created partition table reformated to fat 32, and now i get the destination is read only
[18:40] <koegs> halpme: and "sudo iwlist scan"?
[18:40] <cfhowlett> xubuntu62w, that should be damn near impossible.  unplug/replug and try again
[18:41] <xubuntu62w> cfhowlett, any other suggestions?
[18:41] <xubuntu62w> i did
[18:41] <cfhowlett> xubuntu62w, yep.  format from command line
[18:41] <halpme> koegs: eth0 Interface doesnt support scanning, lo Interface doesnt support scanning
[18:43] <cfhowlett> xubuntu62w, fdisk is the command.  BE CERTAIN you target ONLY your USB.  should be something like /media/dev/sdb
[18:44] <koegs> halpme: so you dont have something like wlan0?
[18:45] <cfhowlett> xubuntu62w, ?  mount will list all mount points
[18:46] <halpme> koegs: dont see it on any of the commands you pasted
[18:47] <koegs> halpme: check "sudo lsbusb" and "sudo lspci"
[18:48] <halpme> sudo lsbusb command not found
[18:48] <cfhowlett> lsusb
[18:48] <halpme> koegs: letme find a usb stick to transfer the data
[18:48] <cfhowlett> xubuntu62w, did we scare you away?
[18:49] <koegs> halpme: sorry, "sudo lsusb"
[18:51] <xubuntu62w> it didn't work
[18:51] <cfhowlett> xubuntu62w, paste the outcome.
[18:51] <cfhowlett> fpaste.org
[18:51] <halpme> koegs: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/8wbiowcv2n
[18:53] <koegs> it doesnt list your wifi-adapter
[18:53] <koegs> do you have some kind of hardware-switch at all on your laptop?
[18:59] <halpme> koegs: yesterday as I turned off the laptop (when it fully worked) I didnt switsch on/off any hardware switch. I dont see any switch on my laptop anyway
[19:00] <koegs> i think it is a hardware problem, maybe the wifi card is not seated correctly and moving the notebook change the "state"
[19:01] <halpme> koegs: I assume by wifi card you mean a piece of hardware inside my laptop, which means I have to take a screwdriver, open the laptop, locate the unit and re plug it in
[19:01] <halpme> am I wrong?
[19:02] <koegs> halpme: correct :(
[19:02] <koegs> it is my best guess based on the facts and that's what i would do
[19:02] <bekks> halpme: Do you use dualboot?
[19:02] <halpme> ok, not bad, at least i know what to look for now...
[19:02] <halpme> bekks: dualboot = partition? windows/linux OS on the same machine?
[19:02] <halpme> no, i dont, onlyx linux
[19:03] <bekks> ah ok.
[19:03] <halpme> where do I get a damned screwedriver?
[19:04] <drc> halpme: Unless you really know what you are doing, I'd advise NOT opening up your laptop.
[19:04] <halpme> drc: did it once to clean dust
[19:05] <halpme> twice, to double RAM memory
[19:06] <drc> ok, it's your machine.  Just wanted to warn you that laptops are not desktops, it's much harder to do things "under the hood".
[19:06] <bekks> halpme: opening that hatch to expand RAM is not the same as "completely opening it up and disassemble it".
[19:06] <bekks> But it is your computer, just saying.
[19:07] <halpme> bekks: what approach would you recommend?
[19:07] <bekks> halpme: Do not do that if you dont know whatr you are doing.
[19:08] <halpme> "we dont service linux here" <<<< :D
[19:09] <bekks> It it irrelevant which OS you are using at that point.
[19:09] <drc> If it's a laptop, it's probably NOT a loose "card".
[19:09] <halpme> so its something embededd on the MoBo?
[19:09] <bekks> The question is "how much does it cost to check wether it is plugged in correctly?", not "Can you help me getting it to work in Linux?"
[19:10] <bekks> halpme: It is either a small card attached to the Mobo, or actually an embedded part on the mobo.
[19:10] <halpme> which means I probably need a new mobo
[19:10] <koegs> halpme: which laptop do you have?
[19:10] <halpme> moment
[19:11] <halpme> clevo M7XoSUN rev A1
[19:11] <halpme> M7X0SUN
[19:14] <koegs> hm, kinda exotic :D
[19:15] <halpme> what is not exotic?
[19:27] <halpme> how do I know the name of my mobo?
[19:27] <halpme> models
[19:27]  * drc sticks tongue in cheek:  One that works.
[19:36] <halpme> what command can I use to get my MObos model?
[19:42] <cuppacoffy> sudo dmidecode | less
[19:48] <drc> halpme: inxi -M will also give you that data
[19:49] <drc> it'd be easier to find too :)
[19:50] <halpme> it just says clevo
[19:50] <halpme> does clevo produce just one specific model of mobo?
[19:51] <drc> google says that it'd probably be clevo M7X0SUN  http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/1802131
[19:52] <drc> So it loks like, yes, one model of mobo
[19:53] <halpme> http://www.clevo.com.tw/ any chance they answer me if I write in english
[19:53] <halpme> ?
[19:54] <drc> I'd doubt it, but you can try.
[19:55] <halpme> :D
[19:57] <drc> What does inxi -N say (it should list all networks cards/chips)
[20:01] <halpme> inxi -N Network: card: Silicon Integrated Systems (SiS) 191 Gigabit Ethernet Adapter              driver: sis190
[20:03] <halpme> thats just the ethernet, no wifi, right?
[20:03] <drc> OK, it looks like it's not detecting the wifi...google says it should be a "Realtek RTL8187B".
[20:03] <drc> yes
[20:04] <halpme> drc: but yesterday it worked, both at college and at home... ill go with your explanation, the wifi card is not plugged in
[20:04] <drc> On my machine I have a hardware wifi switch, but inxi -N (and other commands) shows it even thought it is turned off
[20:04] <halpme> o, and hope that the wifi card is not embedded and I can change it refit it
[20:05] <drc> halpme: I know...I'm totally confused and have no idea what to do next.
[20:05] <drc> halpme: It's a notebook, it'll be integrated.
[20:06] <halpme> drc: integrated means..
[20:06] <halpme> embedded? nonn changeable?
[20:06] <drc> built into the mobo...i.e. you cant change it.
[20:08] <drc> Maybe a trained tech could, but it'd probably be cheaper to buy a new notebook.
[20:08] <drc> Trained tech aren't cheap :(
[20:09] <halpme> i can get a 10 meter long ethernet cable for 10 usd
[20:10] <drc> Is there someone at your uni that actually knows what they are doing that might be able to diagnose this problem (it's always easier with the machine in your hands)?
[20:10] <halpme> drc: no, all windows fans
[20:11] <drc> Did the wifi work (recently) when you had windows installed?
[20:12] <halpme> drc: dont fully understand, "that actually knows what THEY are doing..:"
[20:12] <halpme> they block all proxies
[20:12] <halpme> but thats now not relevant
[20:12] <drc> Anyway, It really looks like a hardware problem (not the router).  Really have no idea where to go with this.  Maybe someone else has an idea?
[20:12] <halpme> drc: i use linux since 5 years, wifi stopped working a month ago or so
[20:13] <halpme> till yesterday, when it started working again, for 8 hours
[20:13] <drc> OK, really, really, really sounds like it's a hardware problem.
[20:13] <halpme> yes
[20:14] <halpme> closing in
[20:14] <drc> halpme: What I meant by "they" was mabe a computer shop, a users group, etc.  Didn't mean to say you didn't, just not to ask J. Ramdom ComputerUser :)
[20:15] <drc> Sorry if it came out different.
[20:15] <halpme> linux fans at college? I know 2, they have not much idea, ill post a message
[20:18] <drc> If this wifi problem really bothers you, you might take it to the uni computer repair shop.  They should be able to tell you if it's hardware and can be fixed (windows, linux, solaris, whatever, doesn't natter)
[20:20] <drc> s/natter/matter
[20:22] <halpme> uni computer reapir shop? no such a thing
[20:22] <knome> halpme, you can search on the ubuntu forums or ask ubuntu, this is not a xubuntu-specific thing, so somebody else with that same hardware and ubuntu should be able to help you
[20:22] <halpme> will do, when im not so tired as nopw
[20:22] <knome> halpme, because it's possible it's a driver/software issue as well..
[20:23] <knome> halpme, sometimes some hardware gets regressions on new software/driver versions, and while that is unlikely, it's possible
[20:44] <xubuntu423> Salut à tous.
[20:44] <xubuntu423> J'installe Xubuntu right now.
[20:44] <xangua> xubuntu423: english please
[20:45] <xubuntu423> i install xubuntu now :D
[20:45] <drc> !fr
[20:45] <xubuntu423> Thanks :D


[06:35] <IrcsomeBot1> SIDSEL JUNIOR was added by: SIDSEL JUNIOR
[06:35] <IrcsomeBot1> <SIDSEL JUNIOR> (Photo, 613x910) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/svncKeMQ/file_39201.jpg
[07:43] <Kurozen> Basically can't leave kubuntu idle overnight, some freak stupid efficiency SWAP bug makes things so laggy and never fully recovers, only reboot helps, happens on multiple machines, though it's on HDD, perhaps some thing it does on a certain HW condition like RAM size? 8GB is more than enough FFS, there's only 3GB Memory used anyway.
[07:44] <Kurozen> It's meant to be a bigger desktop PC that currently has low end parts but this is not the reason for this, this bug happened on 3 different machines.
[07:44] <Kurozen> one of which had 16GB of ram
[07:45] <Kurozen> or I think two, but one was a laptop. so it happens on laptops and desktops.
[07:45] <Kurozen> I'm suspecting it triggers some kind of "go to sleep into SWAP" for many GUI/applications and takes stupdily slow to get back to normal
[07:47] <Kurozen> And just laggy all throuhgout after that, not usable
[07:47] <Kurozen> anyway later
 Is plasma 5.20 available on kubuntu ?
 @Utkarsh, Only on 21.04 development release
[08:23] <IrcsomeBot1> <Giao Linh> sAnTa cLaUs is COMing to ToWn
[08:31] <eeos> hi everybody! How do you disable the automatic update checker which comes with discover?
[08:56] <user|77510> hello, anybody can help me? I want change the scroll bar style because i am a developer in eclipse and when i use window builder and the window is big i can cautch the borders to modifi width or height because the scrollbars appears and hide the border of window
[08:56] <user|77510> i want fixed scrool bars in kubuntu,
[08:57] <user|77510> anybody know how to do it?
[09:36] <simpsonetti-M1> hi, is there a gui for APC Smart-UPS to control the UPS?
[10:01] <IrcsomeBot1> leskh was added by: leskh
[11:07] <flejm> hi, what are results if I wouldn't keep updated OS?
[11:23] <mparillo> Generally more and more known software vulnerabilities. Plus the longer you postpone updating, the more difficult it will be when you eventually do update.
[11:29] <flejm> thanks
 Hey my kde application are crashing
 When I try to reboot I could able to see the log in screen
 I thought I installed something wrong
 But no on second re-installation after sudo apt update && apt upgrade, im start getting error and could able to work on it it
[13:02] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[15:17] <eeos> hi! I cannot find a GUI to modify advanced settinsg for users .... do we have one for Kubuntu, similare to Ubuntu>
[15:17] <eeos> ?
[15:24] <BluesKaj> system settings in the menu/app launcher?
[15:25] <eeos> BluesKaj: it does not have advanced settings ....
[15:26] <BluesKaj> not called advanced , but there are some sections with advanced tabs, like window behaiour etc
[15:27] <eeos> BluesKaj: :) .... I really meant for user management, like user creation and modification. group creation and modification, etc. etc.
[15:29] <BluesKaj> give uis an example of what you are trying to do
[15:50] <eeos> BluesKaj: I have a user, and would like to modify the shell of that use, or the user ID.
[15:53] <BluesKaj> !adduser
[15:53] <eeos> BluesKaj: (actually, I use command line, but the person for whom I am configuring the machine needs to use a GUI).
[15:53] <eeos> BluesKaj: yes, but that is not a GUI
[15:54] <BluesKaj> it is a GUI if added to the user group
[15:54] <eeos> BluesKaj: my questions was "I cannot find a GUI to modify advanced settings for users, do we have one for Kubuntu, similar to Ubuntu?"
[15:55] <eeos> BluesKaj: there must be an issue with the current installation then ....
[15:55] <BluesKaj> !sudo
[15:55] <eeos> BluesKaj: because the user cannot see the advanced settings for users and groups
[15:56] <eeos> BluesKaj: I do not understand the sudo point ....
[15:59] <BluesKaj> eeos, suggest you explain your issue in #kde chat
[16:00] <eeos> BluesKaj: OK ....
[16:01] <BluesKaj> I'm a single user with no experience about multiple users on the same OS
[16:02] <eeos> BluesKaj: thaks, I have asked in kde!
[16:03] <BluesKaj> I see that
[16:11] <eeos> o I see there are complaints and bugs filed about this issue BluesKaj!
[16:11] <IrcsomeBot1> Dominik was added by: Dominik
[16:33] <eeos> fantastic, you simply install gnome-system-tools, and the user can manage the users / groups that way.
[18:11] <reaga> im on version 18.10 of kubuntu, how do i update to a more recent version
[18:16] <reaga> hmm
[18:16] <reaga> guess i installed the wrong version of kubuntu
[18:16] <reaga> didnt realise it would just be totally abandoned like this
[18:19] <reaga> didnt realise "unsupported after 9 months" meant "you wont be able to install anything or upgrade after this period of time"
[21:59] <IrcsomeBot1> Tolga Erok was added by: Tolga Erok