[12:00] <SmokingFire> Debian might has the same as Ubuntu but on my PC, I just pop in the CD and boot -install and the default desktop is already very usable.
[12:00] <Kimiko> well if you want bleeding edge stuff you should just roll your own binaries and use CVS to keep up-to-date
[12:00] <jdub> Kimiko: my mum disagrees with you.
[12:01] <SmokingFire> Thats also why I like the one CD, I get it as I need it.
[12:01] <mirak_> smokingfire, 1 cd also makes it a bit more newb friendly........at least for me...hehe
[12:01] <xskoulax> jdub, you bastion of humanity! you typed mum instead of that mom crap i have to put up with
[12:02] <ploum> Kimiko, I don't think you will have any problem
[12:02] <Mitario> hello everyone
[12:02] <ploum> what your network card ?
[12:02] <mirak_> kimiko, you a newb???....if that is the case...ubuntu is really friendly
[12:02] <Kimiko> no i'm not a newbie
[12:03] <SmokingFire> Kimiko: but your noob?
[12:03] <mirak_> kimiko, oh....sorry for implying
[12:03] <Kimiko> i've used redhat for a long time but switched to debian when it got too commercial
[12:03] <neuro_> we need some sort of NewbieGauge in here :)
[12:03] <Kimiko> i've used debian for a few years now
[12:03] <mirak_> <------------newb
[12:03] <mirak_> haha
[12:03] <Kimiko> it's okay, but i don't like to wait for gnome and X packages
[12:03] <SmokingFire> Kimiko: Yes but debian doesn't count, debian only supports one mouse button
[12:03] <Kimiko> redhat was better in that regard
[12:04] <mirak_> but i must say that hanging out in irc chat i learn real fast, just pick up on things
[12:04] <jdub> Kimiko: ubuntu releases a preview release on the same day gnome releases
[12:04] <Kimiko> sounds good
[12:04] <dieman_> hrm
[12:04] <Mithrandir> jdub: "incidentially". ;)
[12:04] <dieman_> this is odd
[12:04] <xskoulax> comes with gnome 2.8 as standard
[12:04] <dieman_> i can't seem to get passwd to do updates to nis via pam
[12:04] <Kimiko> i think debian sid is up-to-date with gnome 2.8 mostly by now
[12:05] <ericf> I'd like to use the kernel .config file the default ubuntu kernel uses, to change it only a bit. Where can i find that config file?
[12:05] <SmokingFire> was just thinking that my IRC client need the option "filter" which will filter out all conversations except the one you want to follow. This is as sometimes I go back in the history of the client (scroll up) but its hard to follow a conversation that way.
[12:06] <jdub> ericf: /boot/
[12:06] <Kimiko> @smokingfire: can't you just 'ignore' those not participating in that thread?
[12:06] <ericf> jdub: thanks!
[12:06] <Bliksem> how do i fond all running processes?
[12:06] <Bliksem> *find
[12:06] <xskoulax> SmokingFire: that would be a nice thing to have, dunno how you could implement it though
[12:07] <Bliksem> I want to start removing things i dont need running
[12:07] <lamont> jdub (et al): in evo, my wife clicks on a URL in the message (which conveniently says click to open when you mouse over it), and no browser window opens...
[12:07] <mirak_> would be tuff, as new ppl join the convo all the time
[12:07] <lamont> what do I need to install/configure to make her happy?
[12:07] <Kimiko> all running processes? or just the ones with windows?
[12:07] <neuro_> you get used to multi-threaded convos on irc after a while :)
[12:08] <SmokingFire> Kimiko: not talking about like live talking but for example often I let my computer running and IRC logged in, when I'm not there.
[12:08] <Bliksem> all processes
[12:08] <lamont> neuro_: or your head implodes
[12:08] <neuro_> lamont: or that
[12:08] <mirak_> lol
[12:08] <xskoulax> lamont: i'm not going to answer that question ;-)
[12:08] <neuro_> wait, wait ...
[12:08] <neuro_> no, not exploded yet
[12:08] <ericf> why does it look like the kernel source packages (  apt-cache search kernel source | grep source ) are only up to 2.6.7, when ubuntu ships <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[12:08] <Kimiko> used to be called 'ps', bliksem
[12:08] <mirak_> smokingfire...i havent left the room since my ubuntu install
[12:09] <neuro_> cue a round of /whois'es
[12:09] <tolle> ericf: they newest sources are named linux-sources
[12:09] <thursday> does anyone have an access point that doesn't broadcast it's ssid that they've been able to connect to successfully from linux?
[12:09] <ericf> aaah thanks tolle
[12:09] <Bliksem> Kimiko, I want to edit what processes start at startup
[12:09] <jdub> lamont: what does desktop preferences > preferred applications say?
[12:10] <Kimiko> system boot, or gnome login?
[12:10] <Bliksem> both
[12:10] <Kimiko> system boot: don't know what ubuntu uses, but for debian it's in /etc/init.d/
[12:11] <inklingx> Bliksem: rcconf
[12:11] <Kimiko> gnome login: prefs->sessions
[12:12] <thully__> I'm having problems w/APM (my system freezes on resume sometimes, and it seems a tad more unstable) - should I report these as bugs?
[12:12] <dieman_> lamont: hey
[12:12] <dieman_> lamont: do you happen to have a nis testbed anywhere to see if you can recreate a bug?
[12:12] <Kimiko> thully: only useful if you can figure out what causes it
[12:12] <thully__> ACPI works, but resume takes 10% of my battery per hour
[12:13] <thully__> It happens occasionally when I use APM suspend
[12:13] <thully__> What is more stable on Linux - APM or ACPI?
[12:14] <thully__> I'm on ACPI now - but wish I could use suspend without using 10% of my battery per hour
[12:14] <mirak_> thully__, that does kinda suck
[12:15] <Kimiko> sounds more like a bios setup problem than a linux problem
[12:15] <thully__> I have a ThinkPad T42 - supposedly this is a known problem
[12:15] <thully__> I updated the BIOS 2 weeks ago
[12:16] <thully__> I haven't quit - I just had some network trouble and my ghost user quit
[12:17] <LeeColleton> is there going to be a live CD for PPC for the final version of Warty?
[12:17] <lamont> jdub: turns out that installing mozilla-firefox fixed the problem... :-_
[12:17] <lamont> :-)
[12:17] <dieman_> lamont: nevermind
[12:18] <lamont> dieman_: yellow plague?  don't have any of it
[12:18] <dieman_> lamont: found a bug in libpam-modules, have a nice day :)
[12:18] <scabbers> Is there going to be a gdm theme that is not as ugly as the one it has now
[12:18] <mirak_> hahaha
[12:18] <jdub> lamont: hrm. :)
[12:18] <Kamion> LeeColleton: doubt it, unless lamont has something special up his sleeve
[12:18] <lamont> time to drag mitzi's computer forward from sounder 6 or so.
[12:18] <Kimiko> check out http://art.gnome.org/ and http://www.gnome-look.org/ for GDM themes
[12:19] <Kamion> lamont: whee!
[12:19] <lamont> LeeColleton: look for a live CD/ppc in the hoary timeframe
[12:19] <scabbers> It seems so gay to have that shirtless guy on there
[12:19] <lamont> LeeColleton: you still may not find it, of course. :-)
[12:19] <mirak_> hahahaha
[12:19] <Kamion> scabbers: there was a fair bit of discussion in the community meeting today, and some changes are planned, although I don't know the details; Mark will be announcing them later.
[12:19] <Ng> scabbers: how old are you? ;)
[12:19] <Kimiko> there are more women in there than men, so I doubt it would be gay if you're a guy
[12:19] <lamont> 248 upgraded, 5 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[12:19] <scabbers> 40
[12:19] <lamont> hrm.
[12:20] <mirak_> yeah...2 on 1 isnt a bad idea
[12:20] <scabbers> I guess
[12:20] <scabbers> I do like the brown once logged in
[12:21] <thully> My system froze solid a few hours ago when using APM mode - do you think that could be overheating (since APM has no speedstep)
[12:21] <xskoulax> the brown right after login is delicious reminds me of chocolate
[12:22] <Kimiko> well it's been nice meeting y'all. I'll ponder this ubuntu thing some more
[12:23] <xskoulax> my only complaint is with the new desktop the girls could do with being taller, i can cope with the guys chest there it just needs company ;-)
[12:23] <will> does anyone have to acpi=force to get it working?
[12:23] <will> in grun
[12:23] <will> grub even
[12:24] <cianid3> nope
[12:25] <will> humm
[12:25] <mirak_> xskoulax, that is funny
[12:25] <pixelmonkey> does anyone here know what starts dhclient on startup?  I can't find it in init.d scripts.  I want to disable it and use dhcpcd instead
[12:26] <pixelmonkey> unfortunately I can't apt-get remove it since it's part of ubuntu-base.
[12:26] <cianid3> that sucks
[12:27] <dmzen> hi, is someone willing/able to answer a scanner question
[12:27] <SmokingFire> about the smoothwall router/firewall, I see nothing about its requirements (hardware).
[12:30] <dieman_> ok
[12:30] <dieman_> that bug is abotu as focused as I'll get it
[12:32] <cristian> what is the ubuntu way of administering init scripts and runlevel? I'd be grateful to have something cli-based that's not update-rc.d
[12:34] <calc> cristian: rm, cp?
[12:34] <cianid3> smokingfire: it requires practically nothing
[12:34] <cianid3> what are you trying to install it on?
[12:34] <ericf> the ubuntu faq says there are optimized kernel packages for k7, but with 'apt-cache search' I really can't find any of them. What should be the correct name of the package?
[12:34] <SmokingFire> but ram,vga graphs?
[12:34] <jdub> ericf: apt-cache search linux image k7
[12:35] <cianid3> i used smoothwall headless with 64 megs of ram
[12:35] <cianid3> on a pII 233mhz
[12:35] <cianid3> ericf they are in the universal repository
[12:35] <SmokingFire> cianid3: I'm just informing but I was looking for something for a 486/386 as can get those for free.
[12:36] <dieman_> mdz: check out the changelog for 0.75-2 :)
[12:36] <cristian> calc: and not ln? be serious
[12:36] <cianid3> should run fine on a 486
[12:36] <cianid3> you may want to turn off snort though
[12:36] <dieman_> mdz: oh, you did
[12:36] <ericf> hmmm... i see. But why is it that 'apt-cache search linux image k7' shows a lot of kernel-image-... entries, and 'dpkg -l kernel-image*' shows only kernel-image-2.4 ?
[12:36] <cianid3> search for <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:36] <cianid3> or
[12:36] <cianid3> just 2.6.8
[12:36] <cianid3> that should show you all the kernel crap
[12:37] <ericf> ow that's only for lines of which 1 an image... it's the one for 386
[12:38] <gotd0t> can anybody help me set up my dual monitors?
[12:38] <ericf> foUr (4) lines i mena. headers and module-stuff are the other 3
[12:38] <ericf> i type like a drunk
[12:40] <matiashf> gotd0t: what kind of card do you have?
[12:41] <calc> cristian: yea ln would be good too
[12:42] <thursday> is gpdf only in universe?
[12:45] <eyal> hi, does anybody know how to get a sweex webcam to work? (sn9c102 module, loads fine, but then?)
[12:46] <SmokingFire> gpdf sucks, it crashes, don't know why as xpdf is it's base and that works
[12:49] <thursday> SmokingFire, hah i didn't know that. but since xpdf works and i was able to print them out... i guess i'm good :)
[12:50] <thursday> SmokingFire, do you edit a lot of word documents by any chance? I do because of school... would you recommend i stick with oo.o or go with abiword?
[12:51] <SmokingFire> thursday: I tried gpdf as I saw its UI on screenshots on the internet, but when I downloaded at installed it and then tried to open a PDF that worked in xpdf, after trying to go to the second page (or any page) of that pdf, it just stopped working. First page it showed but any other, navigating with scrollwheel or cursors, just didn't do anything then show and blanscreen and application becoming non responcive.
[12:51] <hazmat> gpdf has some issues
[12:51] <hazmat> for word compat oo.o is best
[12:52] <SmokingFire> I think abiword is nice plain RTF documents but OO.o is better when doing more advanced formating.
[12:52] <andril> hello all
[12:53] <SmokingFire> thursday: But if for school, why not just use rtf format? Its universal like the text format.
[12:53] <SmokingFire> thursday: but the best thing is to try and experiment and find out which on is best for you.
[12:54] <thursday> SmokingFire, my school provides the school materials thru the website which come in .doc
[12:54] <xskoulax> thursday: yea even ms word can cope with rtf documents ;-)
[12:54] <thursday> but as for thing i compose myself i can use anything as long as it will let me do the standard formating stuff
[12:54] <SmokingFire> ooh, well there are ms word plugins for abiword if I'm correct.
[12:54] <cardador> thursday: abiword opens doc just fine
[12:54] <xskoulax> thursday: then you would be better off with OO.o then i would imagine
[12:55] <thursday> i tried install office with wine... but i only have office 2003 and it didnt like wine
[12:55] <mirak_> there are for openoffice for sure, but forgive me, as i did not participate in the whole convo
[12:55] <SmokingFire> and ask them to use a non proprietary format.
[12:56] <thursday> SmokingFire, if only it was that easy... although im curious to see what would happen if i sudgested it... hell i don't even know who i would sudgest it too
[12:56] <thursday> hmmm
[12:56] <SmokingFire> else ask them to buy you crossoffice and ms office.
[12:56] <thursday> i have ms office
[12:56] <SmokingFire> well don't tell them that
[12:56] <thursday> the version i own wont work with wine tho
[12:56] <SmokingFire> milk them out and they will perhaps use another document format.
[12:57] <thursday> yeah that's worth a shot... i'm going to look into that
[12:57] <SmokingFire> do you have an IT teacher at your school? I had at mine and he was also at the same time the networks guy.
[12:57] <thursday> anyone know how to get oo.o from using AA ? i have gnome set on monocrhome but oo.o is still AA'n the UI
[12:58] <thursday> im sure theres more than one it teacher its just a matter of finding one with sufficient influence
[12:58] <xskoulax> thursday: i can't see why they would have problems with using rtf, people using word can still open it so its not like it affects other users
[12:59] <SmokingFire> thursday: basically write a letter to your principal and vice people and tell them you are just a poor student and bla bla and also do that vocally.
[12:59] <thursday> yes but im sure that when they have standardized on a document format, it could prove difficult to convince them to switch to an alternative format
[01:00] <thursday> i got to university of phoenix... it's not your ordinary little school
[01:00] <SmokingFire> well just they just need to tell the teachers to save their lessons in rtf format.
[01:00] <thursday> the teachers don't publish the lessons
[01:00] <thursday> they have some board that aproves and publishes them i belive
[01:00] <xskoulax> thursday: the following link might be useful for your work should you decide to use OO.o, http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8225
[01:01] <thursday> xskoulax, thank you
[01:01] <SmokingFire> well, if they have an IT guy he could write a little vba script to convert all doc's into rtf.
[01:01] <SmokingFire> they should that anyway.
[01:01] <SmokingFire> perhaps a script that converts doc's to rtf and pdf.
[01:02] <thursday> i agree with you... i'm going to look into it
[01:02] <thursday> it would be cool to have the material in a format other than word
[01:02] <SmokingFire> thursday: tell that its not such a big deal to have automated document conversion and just a one time investment.
[01:04] <SmokingFire> I'm using that they are using a content managment system written in ASP or PHP or JSP, when author attaches a document the CMS will check the doc format and convert if needed.
[01:04] <SmokingFire> using - thinking
[01:07] <SmokingFire> Is there any place to do suggestions on google?
[01:08] <SmokingFire> I would like the usenet (googlegroups) to display a mouse over text (yellow text box) showing the full subject of the post. Should be that huge to implement and also not making the webpages heavier.
[01:09] <eyal> hello, can anybody help me hook up a webcam -- i've never used video4linux before, i got the module to work but i don't know what i should do now ...
[01:13] <Ng> where's the filetypes config in gnome 2.8? specifically I want to setup a protocol handler, rather than a filetype
[01:13] <Ng> but that's where they used to live ;)
[01:13] <Ng> nevermind, found the gconf entries :)
[01:13] <mirak_> Despair, ?????are you here?????
[01:18] <mirak_> ooo....i get much better frame rates using xfce4 than gnome
[01:20] <occy> what's a good camera tool that is in Ubuntu?
[01:21] <occy> need to get pics off my camera via usb
[01:21] <mirak_> occy, cant you just mount the camera...and pull them off???
[01:21] <occy> don't think so...
[01:21] <azrail> What DE do you use?
[01:21] <mirak_> <-----newb...sorry
[01:21] <occy> DE?
[01:21] <azrail> DE = Desktop Environment
[01:22] <occy> oh, default GNome 2.8
[01:22] <occy> sorry
[01:22] <mirak_> would de be the same as wm??
[01:22] <mirak_> DE=WM ??
[01:22] <occy> mirak_, naw... window manager and desktop enviorn, not the same.
[01:22] <mirak_> hmmmm.......
[01:22] <occy> mirak_, a desktop enviorn can have a window manager...
[01:22] <mirak_> ic ic
[01:22] <occy> or you can use a wm by itself without the DE
[01:22] <mirak_> i use xfce4......what is that...a DE or WM??
[01:23] <occy> mirak_, supposedly a DE.  :)
[01:23] <occy> seems more like a WM to me though.
[01:23] <azrail> no
[01:23] <occy> a nice one though
[01:23] <mirak_> yeah.... i like it
[01:23] <occy> anyhoo... so my camera...
[01:23] <azrail> have you looked at gphoto?
[01:23] <mirak_> occy, sorry for stealing your thunder
[01:24] <azrail> :)
[01:24] <occy> no worries mirak_ ;)
[01:24] <mirak_> i have a question
[01:24] <azrail> shoot?
[01:24] <mirak_> if i open an app from terminal and close the terminal the app closes
[01:24] <azrail> true
[01:25] <occy> hmmm, gphoto2 seems like a command line tool...
[01:25] <azrail> mirak_: what is the question.
[01:25] <mirak_> but i opened xchat from terminal......moved it to another workspace,desktop, whatever, and used that terminal to open something else, then closed it....xchat stayed open
[01:25] <mirak_> why is that???
[01:25] <mirak_> i was getting to it
[01:25] <azrail> i am inpatient... :)
[01:25] <mirak_> lol
[01:26] <mirak_> oohhh...........nvm
[01:26] <azrail> ok
[01:26] <mirak_> duh.....
[01:26] <mirak_> i did "run program" for this xchat window not from terminal
[01:26] <mirak_> now that makes sence
[01:26] <occy> gp_port_read: Connection timed out
[01:26] <occy> *** Error (-6: 'Unsupported operation') ***
[01:27] <occy> :/
[01:27] <mirak_> what is that?
[01:27] <occy> The Fedora Core 1.0 tool read this camera just fine.
[01:27] <azrail> errors.
[01:27] <occy> :/
[01:27] <occy> which.... I think is based on gphoto
[01:27] <mirak_> hmmmm
[01:27] <azrail> kernel is the first thing that is coming to mind.
[01:27] <occy> bbiab
[01:28] <mirak_> can anyone help me to find out if my vid card is working properly?
[01:28] <azrail> yes
[01:28] <mirak_> wich i know isnt.hehe
[01:28] <mirak_> i have a ati radeon 7000/ve agp
[01:28] <azrail> ok
[01:29] <mirak_> i get fps of about 300, wilst someone in this room gets like 2000
[01:29] <mirak_> with the same card
[01:29] <azrail> okay...
[01:30] <mirak_> how to make it function properyly?
[01:30] <azrail> stop playing music, and any other program and run glxgears
[01:30] <mirak_> all i have open is xchat.........and so did he at the time of the test
[01:30] <azrail> open you /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[01:31] <azrail> and what does your Section "Device" say
[01:31] <mirak_> give me a min....have to figure out how in xfce4
[01:32] <mirak_> ok it is open now
[01:33] <azrail> ok
[01:33] <azrail> what is the contents of your Section "Device"
[01:33] <mirak_> Section "Device"
[01:33] <mirak_> 	Identifier	"Generic Video Card"
[01:33] <mirak_> 	Driver		"ati"
[01:33] <mirak_> 	BusID		"PCI:1:0:0"
[01:33] <thursday> is ubuntu going to use xorg?
[01:34] <Se7h> one question: is there a way to mount something to /media/cdrom0 ?
[01:34] <mirak_> at final realease, thursday,
[01:34] <mirak_> thursday, so i hear
[01:34] <Kamion> mirak_: Wednesday.
[01:34] <Kamion> oh :-)
[01:34] <Kamion> sorry, failed to read
[01:34] <azrail> driver "radeon"
[01:35] <mirak_> azrail, just change it?
[01:35] <thursday> sweet!
[01:35] <cardador> anyone got totem to open movies subtitles?
[01:35] <azrail> mirak_, yea change default ati to radeon, you may have to go to www.ati.com to det a kernel module, or compile DRI into your kerenel.  I am not sure, I never used a ATI card before.
[01:36] <azrail> Kamion, what version of x.org?
[01:36] <Ninjas-Rezatm> hey everyone
[01:36] <mirak_> azrail, then i will leae it till i speak with someone who knows for sure
[01:36] <Ninjas-Rezatm> how do you disable unwanted services again?
[01:37] <mdz> mirak_: it's much simpler than that; http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:37] <Kamion> azrail: current I imagine, given we employ one of X.org upstream
[01:38] <toothpick> I got to complain...the graphics are getting a bit risque for my fifth grade class.
[01:38] <Ninjas-Rezatm> the only services tool I know how to use was /sbin/chkconfig
[01:38] <Ninjas-Rezatm> but ubuntu does not have that
[01:38] <toothpick> I did an apt-get upgrade and when I came back it had new graphics...with half naked people.
[01:38] <Kamion> toothpick: we had the community meeting on that earlier today; some changes are scheduled as a result of that meeting, although I don't know the details. Mark will be announcing them later.
[01:38] <Dethread> toothpick, yes, that's what everyone's complaining about
[01:38] <Ninjas-Rezatm> people don't like the 3 naked people?
[01:38] <toothpick> oh ok thanks...had I had a warning it would have been different.
[01:39] <toothpick> Not when I teach at an elementary school Ninjas-Rezatm
[01:39] <Dethread> toothpick, you can always just choose a different theme
[01:39] <Ninjas-Rezatm> toothpick: i agree
[01:40] <toothpick> Well, I'm glad it's being addressed.
[01:40] <Ninjas-Rezatm> toothpick: where do you teach
[01:40] <mirak_> mdz, i tried that before and it broke X
[01:41] <mirak_> mdz, prob something i did wrong, but i dont want to re-iinstall again
[01:41] <toothpick> New Jersey
[01:42] <Ninjas-Rezatm> toothpick: that's cool, I'm glad that kids are using a linux OS
[01:42] <mirak_> mdz, i think i need a little bit more in depth how-to
[01:42] <toothpick> I plan on giving a live cd with some chess things out this year too.
[01:42] <Se7h> hello?
[01:42] <Ninjas-Rezatm> hello
[01:42] <Se7h> is there a way to mount something to /media/cdrom0 ?
[01:43] <mdz> mirak_: well, if you find someone who has time to walk you through the process, please add your comments to the howto to improve it
[01:44] <mirak_> mdz, despair said he would help..........ill try to remember all of it to ad to the how to
[01:44] <Ninjas-Rezatm> Is there a program to see which services load at startup?
[01:50] <Dekkard> wow lots of updates
[01:51] <brettcar> Does Ubuntu have an RSS feed for package updates or announcements or anything like that?
[01:51] <mirak_> mdz, can you help me a min???
[01:52] <Dekkard> if you use sudo apt-get update than sudo apt-get upgrade it will first print out all the new packages before asking if you wnat to install
[01:52] <mirak_> or you can use synaptic
[01:52] <Kamion> brettcar: we have the warty-changes mailing list; see lists.ubuntu.com
[01:52] <brettcar> Okay, but no RSS feeds?
[01:52] <Dekkard> gcombust seems to have a problem with this being  sudo system
[01:52] <mdz> mirak_: I'm afraid not; I have too much work to do
[01:53] <Despair> mirak_ can't use FGLRX because it doesn't support Radeon 7000s.
[01:53] <mirak_> kk.......it was just a quick one though
[01:53] <Se7h> can anyone answer me ? o.0
[01:53] <Dekkard> firestarter firewall wants root pwd..
[01:53] <Despair> mirak_: back, btw
[01:53] <mirak_> despair, oooo......then can you help?
[01:53] <mirak_> despair, dont have to...i wont cry
[01:53] <Despair> sure, hold on though
[01:54] <mirak_> despairm take your time
[01:54] <Dekkard> wi Despair
[01:57] <__daniel> mirak_, whats the problem?
[02:03] <|trey|> Dekkard: start it via 'gksudo firestarter'
[02:04] <|trey|> Dekkard: ie, right click on the icon it created... go to "preferences" and type that in where it says "command"
[02:07] <Dekkard> for which app?
[02:07] <Dekkard> gcombust?
[02:08] <Dekkard> it say command gcombust
[02:08] <Dekkard> prollem is when i try to do writer configuration.. it wont recognize my burner
[02:08] <Dekkard> on slack it was 0,0,0
[02:15] <mirak_> __daniel, vid card problems
[02:15] <mirak_> __daniel, we are working on it
[02:16] <__daniel> okay
[02:20] <baHam> I have a .rar with a password on it.. how to unrar AND put the password?
[02:22] <__daniel> unrar xp <file>
[02:24] <__daniel> good night
[02:24] <dmzen> does ubuntu have any scanner support yet?
[02:25] <cianid3> it should
[02:25] <__daniel> dmzen, install the xsane package
[02:25] <cianid3> ubuntu is linux
[02:26] <cianid3> so anything you can do any other sistros should be possible
[02:26] <cianid3> distros*
[02:26] <__daniel> dmzen, and then look up /usr/share/doc/sane/ to find your scanner module
[02:27] <markoni> Now I can log in https://www.ubuntulinux.org/login_form ? I don't heve user name.
[02:28] <MyKq3> ????? ?? ???
[02:28] <MyKq3> ??? FREECIV2BETA !!!
[02:28] <__daniel> markoni, hit on "log in" then on "reset password"
[02:29] <sabdfl> markoni: we'll fix that shortly
[02:30] <baHam> hey
[02:30] <baHam> how can I extract a password protected file ?
[02:30] <baHam> ;_;
[02:30] <__daniel> baHam, i told you: unrar px <file> :-)
[02:32] <mirak_> despair, i am back
[02:34] <baHam> __daniel, doesnt work
[02:34] <baHam> __daniel, he gives me the list of commands
[02:38] <__daniel> baHam, well, read the list:    unrar x -p <file>   :-)
[02:38] <tolstoy> can I "build" a deb from the files on /pool/universe?
[02:39] <baHam> __daniel, thanks bud
[02:39] <__daniel> baHam, de rien :-)
[02:40] <Despair> btw, appears mirak_'s problem is the line `BusID "PCI:1:0:0"`
[02:40] <Despair> comment that out, and direct rendering works.
[02:40] <mirak_> 22035 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4407.000 FPS
[02:40] <mirak_> 17540 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3508.000 FPS
[02:40] <mirak_> 15562 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3112.400 FPS
[02:40] <mirak_> 21829 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4365.800 FPS
[02:40] <mirak_> 21702 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4340.400 FPS
[02:40] <mirak_> 21711 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4342.200 FPS
[02:40] <mirak_> 21870 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4374.000 FPS
[02:40] <mirak_> 21827 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4365.400 FPS
[02:40] <mirak_> 22212 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4442.400 FPS
[02:40] <Despair> mirak_: careful with the large pastes
[02:40] <mirak_> 21966 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4393.200 FPS
[02:40] <mirak_> 21637 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4327.400 FPS
[02:40] <mirak_> 19779 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3955.800 FPS
[02:40] <mirak_> 19859 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3971.800 FPS
[02:40] <mirak_> it gets better
[02:40] <mirak_> i dont get fps this good in windows
[02:41] <mirak_> i know.........its just me and you though
[02:41] <Despair> no, you pasted to #ubuntu
[02:41] <mirak_> OMG.....i am so sorry
[02:41] <mirak_> i said i was sorry
[02:41] <Zindar> hello
[02:41] <__daniel> i was just kidding, sorry
[02:42] <baHam> mirak it's ok, but next time just avoid
[02:42] <__daniel> you'd better send me to bed
[02:42] <mirak_> baham, i thought i was on the other tab......i apologize
[02:42] <baHam> no problem ;>
[02:43] <mirak_> but did you see those framerates.hehe
[02:43] <JanneM> Despair: where was that line?
[02:44] <mirak_> ive never seen em this good from this card
[02:44] <JanneM> I get lousy framerates on my nvidia
[02:44] <JanneM> haven't bothered to fix it yet, though
[02:44] <Despair> JanneM: change `BusID "PCI:1:0:0" to `# BusID "PCI:1:0:0"` in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[02:44] <JanneM> ok
[02:45] <mirak_> jannem, it works wonders
[02:45] <Despair> basically, it cures getting indirect rendering because Ubuntu told X to look at your onboard video instead of addon card.
[02:45] <JanneM> never seen that direcive in X
[02:45] <Despair> BusID is handy if you have multiple of the same card, to specify which is used for what.
[02:45] <JanneM> ok
[02:46] <JanneM> we'll see if it helps when I get to work
[02:46] <Dekkard> Despair that is for what Nforce boards?
[02:46] <__daniel> xskoulax, :-)
[02:46] <Despair> anything where you have an onboard card you aren't using.
[02:46] <JanneM> new to debian-like OS:s, but won't there be trouble with hand-editing config files that are supposed to be managed by dpkg?
[02:47] <Despair> it seems the X configurator doesn't test to make sure it's matching PCI address to the right chipset.
[02:47] <Despair> read the start of the file if you are worried about that.
[02:48] <xskoulax> __daniel: i hope that smile isn't indicating you are getting any ideas ;-)
[02:48] <JanneM> ok
[02:49] <tolstoy> how do you install a deb file sitting on your file system?
[02:50] <aitrus> dpkg -i file.deb
[02:50] <tolstoy> dpkg install?  Hm.
[02:50] <__daniel> xskoulax, i think i'll go to bed now, my dog is already snoring... and i'm getting tired to :-)
[02:51] <xskoulax> __daniel: have a good night then
[02:52] <__daniel> xskoulax: sleep tight
[02:53] <tolstoy> Arrrrrrrgggggghhhhh!
[02:53] <aitrus> now you've gone and done it
[02:53] <tolstoy> I wish packages in universe would actually be there!
[02:54] <tolstoy> sbcl from debian requires a version of common-lisp-controller > ubuntu's version.
[02:56] <tolstoy> with rpm, you could at least rpmbuild -ta tarfile.tgz and have something you can install.
[02:57] <aitrus> tolstoy: you can use checkinstall
[02:58] <aitrus> get the source you need... unpackage it... configure ; make ; sudo checkinstall -D
[02:58] <aitrus> it creates a deb package for you and installs it
[02:59] <aitrus> or
[02:59] <aitrus> you can get the rpm
[02:59] <aitrus> and use alien to install it
[02:59] <JanneM> would be nice with a wiki page with "debian for virgins" type info
[03:00] <aitrus> i'd like a "Debian for RedHat users" page
[03:00] <JanneM> since many of us know linux pretty well, but hav enever used a debian-based system before
[03:00] <tolstoy> aitrus, what about the stuff in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/s/sbcl/.  Can I use that to make a deb?
[03:00] <tolstoy> JanneM, I hear you.  I'm mainly interested in getting a dependency that didn't seem to get built in the universe repo.
[03:01] <tolstoy> JanneM, not sure I really want to package stuff --- yet.
[03:01] <aitrus> tolstoy: looks like it...
[03:01] <aitrus> tolstoy: it looks like you can download that stuff, apply the patch, and go from tehre
[03:01] <JanneM> tolstoy: I've sort of been looking at packaging a bat as well - no idea where to start, thoug
[03:01] <aitrus> tolstoy: however, i'm a debian n00b and dont' know how to create .debs other than using checkinstall
[03:01] <tolstoy> aitrus, is that .dsc file the deb control file?
[03:01] <aitrus> tolstoy: don't know
[03:02] <JanneM> since there's a missing packagein Universe, and I would really like to tweak another one a bit before install
[03:02] <tolstoy> Alas, I don't even know how to apply the patch.
[03:03] <aitrus> untar the source and patch
[03:03] <aitrus> cd source
[03:03] <aitrus> patch -p1 < ../patch
[03:03] <aitrus> or maybe -p0
[03:03] <aitrus> there's also a tutorial on creating .debs on the net
[03:03] <tolstoy> Well, that seems easy. ;)
[03:04] <tolstoy> aitrus, I've seen one of 'em, but it seemed to require you to be familiar with the project you're debbing up. ;)
[03:04] <aitrus> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/
[03:04] <tolstoy> hm. that's not the one I saw, i'll have to read it.
[03:04] <aitrus> i think you need to setup a fake root kinda like /usr/src/rpm for rpms
[03:04] <tolstoy> yeap.
[03:05] <aitrus> i believe there is a package in universe for that
[03:05] <tolstoy> with rpm, you included a little script that did it. praps the same with debian, sort of.
[03:06] <tolstoy> Alas, but sbcl requires sbcl to build.  this should be interesting.
[03:12] <tolstoy> I think it was patch -p1.
[03:13] <PandU> Where can I change the login splash photo
[03:14] <mirak_> yeah...and less than 1 minute wait is alot better than 65 mins
[03:14] <Scognito> hi
[03:14] <aitrus> tolstoy: there are two packages you'll probably want: devscripts and fakeroot
[03:14] <Despair> right click and hunt through options, change the gdm theme
[03:14] <aitrus> Despair: that's the login screen, not the splash...
[03:14] <Scognito> is there some schedule calendar of ubuntu releases?
[03:14] <aitrus> err... maybe that's what he wants though
[03:14] <tolstoy> aitrus, okay, while sbcl is building, I'll see if I can apt'em.
[03:15] <Despair> aitrus: ah, I disabled that and forgot about it.
[03:15] <PandU> ok where from to change the login screen
[03:15] <aitrus> PandU: if you want to change the login screen (where you type your username and password) Despair was right
[03:16] <aitrus> Computer->System Config->Login Screen Setup
[03:16] <aitrus> if you want to change your splash screen (the thing that show's what's loading after you login while Gnome is starting up).... i don't remember... =)
[03:17] <jdub> it's in the FAQ
[03:17] <jdub> on the wiki
[03:17] <PandU> no, i wont to change the screen that comes after you type the login password and enter
[03:17] <jdub> PandU: FAQ on the wiki
[03:17] <Skif> that's in the FAQ
[03:17] <tolstoy> damn!  sbcl doesn't build!
[03:17] <aitrus> too bad the topic is too big to read where the faq is...
[03:18] <aitrus> tolstoy: maybe that's why it isn't in universe... =)
[03:18] <tolstoy> aitrus, I suspect as much.
[03:18] <tolstoy> I just wish I knew who to contact about it.
[03:19] <aitrus> there should be a readme or something in the root level of the source file
[03:19] <aitrus> (that tar.gz file)
[03:19] <aitrus> readme or authors or install or something like that
[03:19] <tolstoy> I already wrote to him, but he says, "I'm not part of the ubuntu project", which means maybe it works on debian itself.
[03:20] <aitrus> it should still build on ubuntu
[03:20] <baietas> anyone got ubuntu to recognize their ATAPI CDWriter? ( I Have a CD/DVD Writer ) any tips on how to get it to work?
[03:20] <aitrus> baietas: mine is recognized
[03:20] <aitrus> baietas: what are you trying to use to burn?
[03:21] <baietas> cdrecord can't find it...
[03:21] <baietas> what are you useing?
[03:21] <aitrus> nautilus
[03:21] <aitrus> are you saying:  cdrecord -dev=ATAPI -scanbus
[03:21] <baietas> cdrecord://?
[03:21] <baietas> where do i say that?
[03:21] <aitrus> burn:///
[03:22] <baietas> oh no i just run cdrecord as root...
[03:22] <baietas> sorry i'm stupid
[03:22] <aitrus> if you want to use nautilus, open nautilus and select Go->CD Creator
[03:22] <aitrus> if you are using cdrecord
[03:22] <baietas> it must be a cdrecord interface i'm using
[03:22] <aitrus> then - at the command-line - ....
[03:23] <aitrus> what are you usign??
[03:23] <baietas> xcdroast
[03:23] <aitrus> okay
[03:23] <aitrus> well
[03:23] <baietas> nautillus doesnt have Go->Cd Creator .. or it doensnt have Places - > Cd Creator
[03:23] <aitrus> xcdroast has never worked for me
[03:23] <WW_> lamont?
[03:24] <baietas> oh its good to know :)
[03:24] <baietas> lemme try a cd bith burn :)
[03:24] <aitrus> do you have nautilus-cd-burner installed?
[03:24] <baietas> yes i do
[03:25] <baietas> it went to burn:// ( open location burn://) so i'm gonna give it a shot
[03:25] <WW_> I know lamont was building the LiveCD.  Any other Ubuntu folks familiar with issues in the latest version?
[03:26] <aitrus> i'll be you are still using nautilus in spatial mode...
[03:26] <aitrus> s/be/bet/g
[03:27] <WW_> I've lost the ability to do a left-click by tapping on the touchpad on my laptop.  This must be a hardware setting, because it now it doesn't work in Libranet or even Windows.
[03:27] <WW_> I'm pretty sure it "broke" after trying a test version of the LiveCD.
[03:28] <Skif> WW_: huh... I had lost it similarly, UNTIL I install ubuntu :)
[03:28] <WW_> Any chance there is a simple way to turn it back on?
[03:28] <lamont> WW_: sup?
[03:28] <WW_> ^
[03:29] <lamont> that's a keymap question...
[03:29] <lamont> daniels: you here
[03:29] <lamont> ?
[03:29] <WW_> Is keymap a hardware thing?
[03:31] <daniels> lamont: sup?
[03:31] <WW_> lamont: By the way, I tried the 20041018-18 build on a Dell Latitude C800.  X didn't work.
[03:31] <baietas> aitrus it works:) thank you :)) :) :)
[03:31] <lamont> daniels: <WW_> I've lost the ability to do a left-click by tapping on the touchpad on my laptop.  This must be a hardware setting, because it now it doesn't work in Libranet or even Windows.
[03:31] <daniels> the touchpad thing sounds like total bong, given we specifically enable it
[03:31] <daniels> try installing the synaptics driver (www.synaptics.com) in Windows and tooling around with it, see if that igves you your badclick back
[03:32] <xskoulax> since we're on the subject of laptops, anyone tried a vaio fxa53?
[03:32] <aitrus> baietas: excellent
[03:33] <tolstoy> well, seems that sbcl in universe is OLD.  Can't be compiled by a newer version of itself.
[03:34] <lamont> xskoulax: pcg-fxa53 here
[03:34] <lamont> running both warty and the livecd
[03:34] <lamont> albeit with some livecd issues.. :-(
[03:34] <baietas> aitrus: what program do you use to burn cd / dvd immages or audio tracks?
[03:34] <xskoulax> anything special you had to do after install to get things working right/
[03:34] <xskoulax> ?
[03:35] <aitrus> baietas: i havne't burned any dvd's.  for audio stuff i'm using a command-line perl script
[03:36] <baietas> nautilus seems to know what media you put in :D nice nice
[03:36] <WW_> aitrus: Use tab-completion?
[03:36] <xskoulax> lol @aitrus
[03:36] <aitrus> baietas: i believe that nautilus will burn audio cds.. you just can't order them without renaming the files
[03:37] <aitrus> WW_: type a<tab>  =)
[03:37] <WW_> aitrus: sure, but ai<tab> works fine
[03:37] <tolstoy> aitrus, I think they took that out of nautilus in current (2.6, 2.8) versions.
[03:38] <aitrus> my nick is easy to complete.  1 left-hand character, 1 right-hand character.  and no one else has an ai-- name
[03:38] <aitrus> tolstoy: dooooh!!!
[03:38] <aitrus> okay, i guess i lied
[03:38] <aitrus> i do that sometime
[03:38] <aitrus> s
[03:38] <aitrus> just like the CherryOS people!
[03:38] <tolstoy> apparently, they meant it to just be quick and dirty, but people were asking for all sorts of features.
[03:39] <tolstoy> so they decided to leave it to rhythmbox and/or muine.
[03:39] <aitrus> there is supposed to be a really cool gnome cd-burning library in development... but it's taking forever
[03:39] <tolstoy> so, when they put together a "universe" or a repo, how to they compile all the debs?
[03:40] <aitrus> tolstoy: with scripts
[03:40] <tolstoy> sbcl didn't compile for me because the old version violated some boundries present in the new version.
[03:40] <aitrus> tolstoy: i don't know specifically about ubuntu, but when i was an rpm maintainer for a project, we had a build machien with different roots that you just dumped your srpm into and it compiled them for you
[03:40] <tolstoy> I wonder if I could report to them that it "broke" due to that, and they ought to fix it.
[03:41] <tolstoy> aitrus, so you might have a problem if the gcc on that machine couldn't compile the gcc srpm, eh?
[03:41] <tolstoy> I think that's the case here.
[03:42] <aitrus> tolstoy: well, actually, with gcc you can compile cross compile
[03:42] <aitrus> ah!
[03:42] <aitrus> you can cross compile
[03:44] <xskoulax> lamont: you around?
[03:44] <lamont> yo
[03:44] <xskoulax> anything special you had to do with the fxa to get stuff working right?
[03:44] <xskoulax> or was it good out of the box
[03:46] <lamont> xskoulax: was a criteria machine for out-of-the-box.. :-)
[03:46] <lamont> hence, just works
[03:47] <xskoulax> looks like that xp install's days are numbered
[03:48] <xskoulax> i take it you are involved in the live-cd project?
[03:54] <lamont> xskoulax: I'm the guy what has to build it.
[03:54] <lamont> and all the other binaries.
[03:54] <xskoulax> gotta say after 2 days this distro owns
[03:54] <aitrus> that's p4wns"
[03:55] <aitrus> ;-)
[03:55] <xskoulax> if you wanna be 1337
[03:55] <aitrus> http://tresgeek.net/~aitrus/owned.gif
[03:55] <xskoulax> seriously though this is exactly what i've been looking for in a distro
[03:56] <xskoulax> smart application choice and no bloat
[03:57] <WW_> aitrus: Hilarious!
[03:57] <aitrus> OWNED!
[03:58] <aitrus> i still laugh everytime i see that
[03:58] <xskoulax> oh yes i remember seeing that
[03:58] <azrail> question: I am looking to add a package to the ubuntu tree, whom do I talk to about doing such
[04:05] <Kamion> azrail: ubuntu-devel
[04:05] <Kamion> azrail: (consider whether it wants to go to Debian first and from there into Ubuntu; it'll depend on the circumstances)
[04:06] <azrail> kamion, good deal
[04:06] <gotd0t> I'm having a little trouble wiht my display... i get wierd discolorations
[04:17] <baHam> is there any way to mount a .cue & .bin file somewhere so that I can install something ?
[04:19] <aitrus> aren't you mr. warez from last nite?
[04:19] <aitrus> ever get UT going?
[04:20] <baHam> ahah
[04:20] <baHam> yea ut is working
[04:20] <baHam> very fine
[04:20] <baHam> ;P
[04:21] <baHam> now I am trying to install fifa
[04:21] <baHam> I just dont have 800MB cd-r's
[04:21] <baHam> and on my dvd-rw's are too many important files to erase
[04:25] <xskoulax> aitrus: consider it reperations for making software designed for windows only ;-)
[04:25] <xskoulax> makes my consience clear
[04:25] <aitrus> since when is UT windows only?
[04:26] <baHam> ut is not windows only rotfl
[04:26] <baHam> there is also a linux cd version
[04:26] <baHam> nab
[04:26] <aitrus> yeah, i know.  i own it
[04:26] <smo> I haven't heard of a native port of fifa, however
[04:27] <aitrus> as in supported the company who is supporting my choice
[04:27] <aitrus> (to run linux)
[04:29] <tolstoy> aitrus, checkinstall you say?  Hm.
[04:29] <baHam> smo, it is supported by cedega, it runs very good
[04:31] <tolstoy> aitrus, I bet sbcl (common lisp) is too freaky for this to work, but I'm going to try it anyway.
[04:33] <tolstoy> interesting, a 580 byte deb.
[04:33] <tolstoy> I bet checkinstall is for C programs.
[04:33] <xskoulax> aitrus: i was refering to fifa
[04:33] <xskoulax> actually
[04:34] <Se7h> is there a way to mount something to /media/cdrom0 ?
[04:35] <gotd0t> does anybody happen to know where the gaim logs are stored?
[04:35] <Kamion> tolstoy: don't think checkinstall cares, AIUI it operates on directory trees
[04:35] <Kamion> tolstoy: (I don't see how it could care, TBH)
[04:36] <tolstoy> Kamion, well, it seemed to have created an empty deb.  Thing is, I don't think sbcl (steel-bank common lisp) has a "make install," for instance.
[04:36] <baietas> what /dev/ is nautilus using for cdburning
[04:37] <tolstoy> Kamion, it has "install.sh".
[04:39] <tolstoy> Kamion, doesn't seem to be options for doing it other ways. sbcl doesn't even use "install", but, rather, cp. ;)
[04:39] <tolstoy> Ah, well.
[04:40] <punkass> anyone know why libjava-gnome packeges are not available?
[04:40] <punkass> and if i install the from debian..will it cause chaos to my system
[04:43] <jdub> punkass: check the build logs to see what's up
[04:43] <jdub> installing them from debian is not recommended
[04:43] <jdub> better to get the universe versions cleaned up
[04:43] <jdub> http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/
[04:44] <lamont> punkass: and if you can't find the build log there, pester me and I'll kick it again...
[04:45] <punkass> well i cant find any of these there: libjava-gnome-doc libgtk2-java libgnome2-java libglade2-java
[04:45] <lamont> punkass: need jdk, and there isn't one.
[04:46] <lamont> it's by source package name.
[04:46] <lamont> http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/j/java-gnome/<IP_ADDRESS>-3/java-gnome_<IP_ADDRESS>-3_20040921-2008-i386-failed
[04:47] <punkass> so they are only failing because there is now jdk installed?
[04:49] <punkass> lamont so is there a way around it? cuz i am assuming that there isnt going to be a jdk package anytime soon
[04:49] <gotd0t> does anybody know where the Gaim logs are stored?
[04:49] <punkass> /usr/share/pixmaps/gaim/
[04:49] <gotd0t> thanks
[04:49] <punkass> oh sorry
[04:49] <punkass> you want logs
[04:49] <Dethread> logs :)
[04:49] <punkass> i thought i read logo
[04:49] <punkass> lol
[04:49] <Dethread> I think in ~/.gaim
[04:49] <baHam> you can also watch the logs
[04:50] <smo> ~/.gaim/logs/ sounds so obvious, but oddly true :o)
[04:50] <baHam> if you right click on the name
[04:50] <baHam> and then => show logs
[04:50] <gotd0t> i need to back up the logs...
[04:50] <baHam> view log
[04:50] <baHam> oh ok :)
[04:50] <lamont> punkass: dunno, short of maybe build from source...
[04:51] <punkass> lamont: hmm ok...and installing the debian packages will probably cause me more headache than building them?
[04:51] <lamont> punkass: depends on how techincal you want to be...
[04:51] <lamont> the warty packages were built against warty libraries, likewise for debian packages.
[04:51] <punkass> i hava get back and learn some java but wanna be able to use native filedialogchoosers etc
[04:51] <lamont> some warty packages are newer than sid, some are older.
[04:52] <punkass> ah
[04:52] <lamont> hence, installing debian packages is "fraught with peril"
[04:52] <dave> question: when is x.org 6.8 getting in to the tree?
[04:52] <punkass> hehe doh
[04:52] <punkass> dave: next release
[04:52] <dave> as in 6 months from now?
[04:53] <Despair> punkass: I'd hope it'd get into testing before then... ;)
[04:53] <punkass> i belive so
[04:53] <dave> :(
[04:53] <punkass> ah cool
[04:53] <dave> isent sarge supposted to go stable soon?
[04:53] <punkass> well the officialness is in 6 months :)
[04:54] <baHam> man
[04:54] <baHam> why dont they hurry @ ubuntu
[04:54] <baHam> I want hoary sooner than april
[04:54] <baHam> :|
[04:55] <tolstoy> six months?  they'll be behind fedora!
[04:55] <punkass> lol.. id rather wait for stable than something sooner thats flaky
[04:56] <baHam> punkass, right
[04:56] <baHam> punkass, xorg is cool.. I want my gaim to be transparent right now
[04:56] <baHam> :|
[04:56] <punkass> i heard its not super stable tho
[04:56] <punkass> all depending on hardware etc
[04:57] <punkass> well hopefully Dispair is right and they will sneak it in earlier
[04:57] <punkass> Despair*
[04:58] <baHam> yea its not compatible with the nv/ati drivers i've heard
[05:07] <laander> being new to debian based distributions, can anyone explain what the command line/gui utility is to install a deb?
[05:07] <laander> if i download the deb directly
[05:08] <aitrus> dpkg -i file.deb
[05:08] <laander> thank you
[05:10] <xskoulax> anyone know if there is a gnome applet for checking gmail accounts?
[05:10] <defendguin> xskoulax, mail-notification available on gnomefiles.org
[05:10] <xskoulax> i'm thinking something that can sit at bottom corner of screen like trash can on ubuntu
[05:10] <xskoulax> defendguin: thx
[05:15] <thully> How do you re-compile the kernel w/all the Ubuntu patches and wi-fi drivers included, only adding software suspend to the kernel (can just be default software suspend, swsusp2 not necessary)
[05:19] <MyKq3> hello for some resone i can't aptget update any of this <http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Archive> mirrors. some one knows y ?
[05:29] <Ninjas-Rezatm> whats a good program for downloading mp3's
[05:30] <Ninjas-Rezatm> or.. files in general
[05:30] <baHam> limewire
[05:30] <Ninjas-Rezatm> for ubuntu?
[05:30] <Hmmmmm_> Ninjas-Rezatm, try limewire
[05:30] <Hmmmmm_> or use bt
[05:31] <MyKq3> for mp3z u can use Nicotine
[05:34] <dmzen> Does ubuntu include any scanner support?
[05:34] <dmzen> Does ubuntu include any scanner support?
[05:36] <dmzen> I have a hp 1210 all in one machine
[05:36] <dmzen> xsane says no supported devices
[05:38] <dmzen> "sane" at the command line returns "command not found"
[05:39] <aitrus> apt-get install sane
[05:39] <aitrus> well, if that's want you want to use...
[05:39] <aitrus> dunno about that xsane stuff..
[05:40] <aitrus> is yoru scanner usb?
[05:40] <MyKq3> when i run aptget update u resive this error
[05:40] <MyKq3> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[05:40] <MyKq3> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Sources
[05:40] <MyKq3>   Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[05:40] <MyKq3> some one knows y ?
[05:40] <aitrus> MyKq3: just run it again
[05:40] <MyKq3> it gives me the same error
[05:41] <MyKq3> no metter  how many times i run it again
[05:41] <aitrus> i used to have that problem frequently, but now running the update a couple times fixes it... i never asked what the deal was, though
[05:42] <MyKq3> and when i m trying to use other mirrors he tells me that it can't connect to them
[05:43] <finn> what is the preferred java to install on ubuntu?
[05:44] <lamont> finn: same question here, actually
[05:44] <MyKq3> finn,  what do u want to do with it /
[05:45] <finn> MyKq3, i would like to run azureu.  sablevm doens't work... i was thinking of installing sun j2re, but thought there might be a standard one in the repositories I just can't see
[05:46] <finn> azureus
[05:46] <lamont> there's also blackdown-j2re1.[34] debian
[05:47] <finn> lamont, is it in the standard apt sources? or do i need to add a debian soure?
[05:47] <lamont> standard apt sources, with multiverse component.
[05:47] <lamont> but it looks to be less than installable...
[05:48] <finn> ah.  will i break anything by running the sun j2re installer?
[05:48] <lamont> actually, the blackdown package is just the installer
[05:48] <lamont> you may not like the license
[05:50] <adam__> ok so if anyone here is big with ubuntu internet, i got orinoco_usb to work with 4.1RC
[05:50] <finn> hmm... might give blackdown a go then
[05:50] <adam__> on my compaq evo n800c
[05:51] <adam__> how do u add MP3 support?
[05:51] <cianid3> i have transparent windows in linux
[05:51] <cianid3> w00t
[05:52] <aitrus> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[05:52] <aitrus> there you go adam__
[05:53] <adam__> i think i tried that and it didn't work, let me try again.
[05:57] <adam__> there's no mp3 decoder...
[05:57] <aitrus> libmad
[05:57] <aitrus> gstreamer's mad plugin is what you use
[05:58] <aitrus> sudo aptget-install gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:58] <adam__> it says that libmad0 is already installed.
[05:58] <aitrus> that's supposed to be apt-get install
[05:58] <aitrus> not aptget-install
[05:59] <adam__> didn't find it
[05:59] <adam__> E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:59] <aitrus> do you have the universe repository included?
[05:59] <adam__> Yes
[05:59] <adam__> i believe so
[05:59] <aitrus> check
[06:00] <crimsun> did you apt-get update or refresh in Synaptic?
[06:00] <adam__> grr.. 1sec
[06:01] <adam__> didn't find it
[06:01] <adam__> binary or source?
[06:01] <aitrus> binary
[06:02] <aitrus> sudo apt-get update
[06:02] <adam__> did it
[06:02] <adam__> didn't work
[06:02] <aitrus> did you get an error message or did your screen just go blank?
[06:02] <adam__> same one as i gave before
[06:02] <adam__> E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:02] <aitrus> when you did the update i mean
[06:02] <adam__> no errors
[06:03] <adam__> Reading Package Lists... Done
[06:03] <aitrus> so you have the universe repo uncommented.  you updated your cache. there were no errors.  and yuou don't have gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:03] <adam__> Correct.
[06:03] <adam__> is there a way i can print out the servers apt-get is using?
[06:04] <adam__> want to make sure again that its there.
[06:04] <crimsun> aitrus: apt-cache policy gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:04] <crimsun> err, adam__
[06:04] <crimsun> sorry, aitrus :)
[06:04] <aitrus> heheheh
[06:04] <adam__> W: Unable to locate package gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:05] <Zindaren> : [bagfors@zyrgelkwytng] $ ; sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:05] <Zindaren> Reading Package Lists... Done
[06:05] <Zindaren> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[06:05] <Zindaren> gstreamer0.8-mad is already the newest version.
[06:05] <Zindaren> you must have broken sources
[06:05] <adam__> how can i print out my sources?
[06:05] <Zindaren> cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:06] <aitrus> cat /etc/apt/source.list
[06:06] <aitrus> dmanit
[06:06] <aitrus> jfsldkafjdlks
[06:06] <aitrus> damnit
[06:06] <aitrus> i can't type!
[06:06] <adam__> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat
[06:06] <adam__> testing main
[06:06] <Zindar> adam__: that's all?
[06:06] <adam__> yea.. i think i foudn my problem
[06:06] <adam__> the wiki is wrong
[06:06] <Zindar> hehe
[06:06] <aitrus> no it isn't
[06:06] <Zindar> where is it wrong?
[06:06] <aitrus> the wiki doesn't say "delete everything else but this"
[06:06] <aitrus> it says "add this"
[06:06] <adam__> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[06:07] <adam__> Yea, look at the bottom
[06:07] <adam__> URI: ftp://ftp.nerim.net
[06:07] <aitrus> right.  it says to add that
[06:07] <aitrus> just add
[06:07] <aitrus> not bork the rest
[06:07] <adam__> i did that
[06:07] <adam__> and it didn't work
[06:07] <Zindar> the wiki looks right
[06:07] <adam__> hold on
[06:08] <Zindar> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[06:08] <Zindar> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[06:08] <Zindar> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[06:08] <aitrus> even the SynapticHowto says to "add"
[06:08] <Zindar> that's what you should have in there
[06:08] <adam__> ok well
[06:08] <Zindar> put them in that file
[06:08] <adam__> its added, now its saying that libie3tag0 is nto installable
[06:08] <adam__> gstreamer0.8-mad: Depends: libid3tag0 (>= 0.15.0b) but it is not installable
[06:08] <adam__> E: Broken packages
[06:09] <Zindar> did you put the universe line in?
[06:09] <Zindar> and did you apt-get update
[06:09] <Zindar> ?
[06:09] <adam__> yea
[06:09] <adam__> i added the 1 line
[06:09] <Zindar> the THREE lines please
[06:09] <Zindar> you should have four lines in there
[06:09] <Zindar> the three I just pasted
[06:10] <Zindar> plus deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[06:10] <adam__> 1sec...
[06:10] <adam__> its going
[06:11] <Zindar> good
[06:11] <adam__> k it works thanks
[06:12] <Zindar> :)
[06:12] <adam__> i don't think the instructions are very clear... something to think about?
[06:12] <Zindar> what's not clear...
[06:12] <Zindar> ADD using synaptics
[06:12] <Zindar> then run
[06:12] <adam__> how to install the universal repositories.
[06:12] <adam__> no where does it say /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:12] <Zindar> adam__: if you didn't bork your source.list file and just do as the instructions said.. you would be ok
[06:13] <Zindar> the instructions are VERY clear
[06:13] <adam__> ok
[06:13] <adam__> now when i run rhythmbox 0.8.5 it still says its unknown
[06:14] <adam__> but it played in a different program
[06:15] <Zindar> did you restart rhytmbox?
[06:16] <adam__> n
[06:16] <adam__> m
[06:16] <adam__> lol
[06:16] <baHam> does anybody use vbulletin 3 and is admin or knows how to set it up ?
[06:16] <baHam> I dont know how to change that the avatar should be on the left not on top
[06:17] <baHam> it's a forum type
[06:17] <evilyoda> here's my problem on warty: when I run a program that requires superuser privileges, and I give my password, I get the message "Failed to run /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator as user root: Child terminated with 1 status"
[06:17] <evilyoda> but at a command line, if I type "su" and enter the password, then I get root and can run synaptic or whatever
[06:17] <aitrus> evilyoda: you are giving it your password and not the root password?
[06:18] <aitrus> you are supposed to give it your password
[06:18] <evilyoda> no
[06:18] <aitrus> (not roots)
[06:18] <evilyoda> even if I changed root's?
[06:18] <aitrus> right
[06:18] <Zindar> yeah
[06:18] <evilyoda> oh, that's interesting. Why is that?
[06:18] <aitrus> it's using a sudo-like interface
[06:18] <evilyoda> ok
[06:18] <aitrus> it's basically the same as saying "sudo synaptic"
[06:19] <adam__> Ubuntu is amazingly good.
[06:19] <adam__> I'm very happy with it.
[06:19] <Zindar> evilyoda: because the menus run "gtkSUDO synatic".. not gkSU
[06:19] <evilyoda> for some reason I was under the impression that it was running gksu
[06:19] <Zindar> evilyoda: considering that root is disabled by default that would be kinda hard you know :)
[06:20] <evilyoda> I guess my only concern with that is security-wise, having the same password giving root access as regular access
[06:20] <evilyoda> Zindar: root is disabled by default? the things I don't know!
[06:22] <punkass> funny: http://www.planetboredom.net/pix/details.php?image_id=926
[06:22] <Skif> evilyoda: yeah, that bit me too, since I tend to create users after install, because I want to pick specific UIDs for them
[06:22] <Skif> fortunately booting into single-user mode worked fine, and I fixed it then
[06:22] <punkass> how do i permenantly set a new dir path in $PATH
[06:22] <punkass> just in .bash_profile or rc?
[06:23] <Skif> punkass: .bashrc is best
[06:23] <aitrus> either .bash_profile or /etc/profile
[06:23] <aitrus> Skif: bah!  .bashrc is for aliases!  =)
[06:23] <Skif> well, perhaps I'm wrong, I put it in .bashrc, as that's invoked by shells that are not login shells
[06:24] <aitrus> i wouldn't say you are wrong.  it's a religious debate.
[06:24] <Skif> aitrus; no, that's .aliases, which is sourced by .bashrc :)
[06:24] <punkass> lol...thanks
[06:26] <punkass> is there a spot where it can be put so its universal...so when i create a new user..they have it in there PATH
[06:26] <Skif> aitrus: I don't much care either way; I've been burned by assuming both when the other was true :)
[06:26] <aitrus> /etc/profile
[06:26] <punkass> or is that the skel thinkg
[06:27] <punkass> ah ok thanks
[06:27] <aitrus> Skif: especially with gnome-terminal not being a login shell by default
[06:27] <Skif> aitrus: yes, that's why I put it in .bashrc now
[06:27] <Skif> er, odd
[06:27] <Skif> not oss
[06:29] <evilyoda> thanks for answering my questions all! bye
[06:42] <ubergoober> I had a problem installing when using exiting partitions and data.
[06:47] <chris__> Has anyone noticed font hinting not working properly on Ubuntu
[06:51] <jamesh> chris__: it is probably using the auto-hinter.
[07:01] <chris__> jamesh any idea on how to fix it?
[07:02] <jamesh> chris__: well, you might be able to recompile the freetype package
[07:03] <jamesh> chris__: the TTF hinting algorithm is patented, and it is a bit hard to get a patent license for a product you are giving away and letting people make as many copies of as they wish.
[07:11] <chris__> jamesh I have fedora core installed also and the hinting works there.
[07:11] <jamesh> chris__: that's weird.  Fedora is also using the autohinter
[07:12] <jamesh> chris__: I can't see much of a difference between the rendering inWarty and FC2
[07:13] <jamesh> chris__: can you be a bit more specific?
[07:19] <adam__> i installed Quanta, it's a KDE program, i used apt-get to install it and it is working, my problem is that the font is really big but i know its a QT setting, how would i go about making it a smaller font?
[07:22] <Jaramin> having a broken samba package problem here... anyone willing to try to help?
[07:25] <punkass> ok i add a new dir to PATH in my /etc/profile, logout then in...so a echo $PATH the dir isnt there
[07:25] <punkass> then added it to my bash_profile, that didnt help either
[07:25] <punkass> then added it to my .bashrc
[07:26] <chris__> jamesh - here is a link to a person who looks like they are having the same problem.  I also saw a person on the user mailing list with the same problem.  However, noone responded to his request.  http://denial.loose-screws.com/blog/archives/2004/09/font-quality-oh-the-irony/
[07:26] <punkass> now when i do a echo $PATH its there, but when i launch an app from the menu that depends on java it doesnt work
[07:26] <punkass> any thoughts out there?
[07:27] <punkass> the only thing i havent done is a full reboot
[07:32] <jamesh> chris__: well, there are two things that could affect the output: the version of freetype (+ any patches, and whether the bytecode interpreter is on or off), and the actual font file
[07:35] <Xx_joel_xX> anyone avail to help me with a ldap problem?
[07:39] <Tzigane> Wow, this is a big channel =)
[07:39] <Tzigane> Ello
[07:39] <TheMuso> Tzigane: It is a big channel, but even when not all of us are actually at our machines, we are still connected.
[07:39] <Jaramin> joel: maybe, depends if it's a tough problem ;)
[07:39] <TheMuso> There are people connected from all over the world.
[07:40] <Xx_joel_xX> jaramin i have a screenshot of my problem
[07:40] <Tzigane> Yeah, that's true =)
[07:40] <Tzigane> Has anyone had issues with the nvidia drivers?  The default kernel wasn't working with my Inspirion 8600's sound card, so I reinstalled my custom one, and installed the nvidia driver from nv's binary, only to find I had to re-install the nv stuff every time I rebooted
[07:41] <punkass> Tzigane: ubuntu has the nvidia drivers packaged
[07:41] <punkass> so they usually work quite well
[07:42] <Tzigane> punkass: So I saw, but they were only for the default kernel, which didn't work with audio
[07:42] <mdz> Tzigane: report a bug
[07:42] <punkass> hmm..what was the problem with the audio?
[07:42] <mdz> Tzigane: include dmesg output from the kernel which worked, and the kernel which does not
[07:42] <Tzigane> Looking at the Dell Inspiron 8500 in the Wiki, it looks like acpi=noirq may fix it
[07:42] <Tzigane> I may..
[07:42] <mdz> try that first
[07:42] <punkass> i would try that..
[07:42] <mdz> if that doesn't fix it, report a bug
[07:42] <punkass> i know i had to do a   nolapic
[07:43] <punkass> on a dell d600
[07:43] <mdz> there are a number of Dell BIOS issues already reported in bugzilla
[07:43] <mdz> I didn't notice you mentioned it was a Dell
[07:43] <SuperL4g> Did I hear right that there was going to be some big discussion today about the artwork?
[07:43] <Tzigane> Ahh I see...
[07:44] <Tzigane> Hmm I will try it
[07:44] <punkass> mdz: you know anything about setting up PATH for java
[07:46] <TheMuso> SuperLag: The discussion has already taken place.
[07:47] <TheMuso> About 25-27 hours ago. :)
[07:47] <SuperLag> TheMuso: what came of it?
[07:47] <TheMuso> Sorry, subtract 12 hours from those. My maths isn't too good today
[07:48] <TheMuso> Basically the artwork that appears on the GDM screen and the splash screen will be installed, but not the default artwork
[07:50] <Zindar> TheMuso: you mean the default artwork will not be installed, or everything will be installed but nog be default?
[07:51] <Zindar> s/nog/not/
[07:52] <Tzigane> Thanks for the help =)  I can't believe how fast that response was
[07:52] <TheMuso> The artwork will still be part of the install I think, but won't be a default.
[07:52] <Tzigane> please i want more
[07:52] <Tzigane> art that is
[07:52] <Tzigane> yes it's very nice :-)
[07:52] <Tzigane> it's fun to watch when i am alone at home and feeling naughty
[07:52] <punkass> Tzigane: you get it working?
[07:53] <Tzigane> Eek.. my keyboard's been hijacked
[07:53] <Tzigane> I haven't tried yet, still installing other bits
[07:53] <punkass> ah
[07:53] <Tzigane> The artwork is insane though =) What the porn!!!
[07:53] <punkass> lol
[07:53] <Tzigane> Especially the desktop wallpapers
[07:53] <Tzigane> It's a little disturbing
[07:53] <punkass> just 3 people enjoying each others company ;)
[07:54] <Tzigane> Hmm....
[07:54] <Zindar> what will be the default gdm-setup then?
[07:54] <Zindar> I likes the gdm pic.. the others I'm not so sure about
[07:55] <Tzigane> More porny stuff! :P
[07:55] <Tzigane> I think it's taken a little far
[07:55] <TheMuso> I don't think the default has been decided yet, but there were calls for the original pre-release logo to be used on the GDM login screen.
[07:55] <Zindar> it's not porny in any way... quit that nonsence
[07:55] <Zindar> I see worse when I go outside or turn on the tv
[07:55] <Zindar> ads both of course
[07:56] <punkass> Zindar: good call
[07:56] <liff> where do you live?-D
[07:56] <Zindar> liff: Sweden.. but am right now in australia and it's about the same
[07:56] <TheMuso> Just because the artwork is acceptable for one person or group of people, doesn't mean that all cultures should accept it.
[07:57] <punkass> thats true, but Zindar has a good point...turn on the TV and blamo..the same or worse
[07:57] <punkass> or better (depending how u look at it) ;)
[07:58] <Tzigane> :P
[07:58] <TheMuso> Yeah, maybe in most western countries.
[07:58] <TheMuso> But it makes me wonder what eastern people get when they turn on their TV.
[07:58] <punkass> yeah for sure in western countries
[07:58] <punkass> well i get one spanish channel..and its pretty off the wall
[07:59] <punkass> and i would imagine the UK are pretty used to it
[07:59] <punkass> would be countries like India, Indonisia, etc that it might not go over well
[08:00] <punkass> not that ive watched much of there TV
[08:00] <punkass> or any for that matter
[08:01] <Tzigane> I just love the way the commercial channels keep coming up with more and more extremely stupid stuff
[08:01] <Tzigane> Just when you think they've hit the bottom of the barrel
[08:01] <Tzigane> There's 'spouse swap'...
[08:01] <punkass> its advertising..there is no bottom
[08:01] <punkass> haha yeah..one up here called 'wife swap'
[08:04] <Tzigane> My god =)
[08:04] <Tzigane> It's amazing
[08:04] <Tzigane> I'm genuinely impressed
[08:06] <TheMuso> Tzigane: Do you know how to type properly?
[08:07] <Tzigane> As opposed to the find-and-poke game?
[08:07] <Tzigane> Yes =)
[08:07] <Tzigane> Although I'm still qwerty'ing, instead of using dvorak
[08:07] <TheMuso> I have never seen a dvorak keyboard
[08:08] <punkass> me either
[08:08] <Tzigane> I haven't seen one, I've just used the mapping
[08:08] <Tzigane> Hmm... very impressed with ubuntu thus far..
[08:08] <Tzigane> Yeah, it's worthwhile learning it
[08:09] <TheMuso> Thing is though, I don't think I will change. I know qwerty perfectly, so I don't feel there is any need to change. I am already quite speedy with qwerty.
[08:09] <Tzigane> qwerty was designed to slow typists down, during the good ol' typewriter days, when typing too quickly led to the head things crashing together...
[08:09] <Tzigane> Yeah, vi+dvorak is evil..
[08:09] <Tzigane> Mind you
[08:09] <Tzigane> :wq is easy
[08:09] <Tzigane> Shift-z-x-c on qwerty
[08:10] <Zindar> haha :)
[08:10] <Tzigane> Or something
[08:10] <Tzigane> I can't remember =)
[08:10] <Zindar> Tzigane: you do dvorak now?
[08:10] <Zindar> no
[08:10] <Tzigane> It takes way too long to learn...
[08:10] <Zindar> I guess not
[08:10] <Tzigane> I can, but I'm not as fast as qwerty =)
[08:10] <Zindar> there is a dvorak mode in vim
[08:10] <TheMuso> I have spent over 10 years honing my qwerty skills, I don't see how a change would help me. :)
[08:10] <Zindar> I think it changes hjkl to do the same at the same possition :)
[08:11] <Tzigane> Yeah something like that =)
[08:11] <Tzigane> It's just meant to be less RSI-ish
[08:11] <Zindar> TheMuso: I've used qwerty for about 24 years.... hard to change
[08:11] <Tzigane> I'm just gunna try rebooting into the default kernel ...
[08:12] <TheMuso> Well you don't get RSI if you have good posture while typing.  I hadn't thought of that
[08:12] <punkass> what is RSI?
[08:12] <Tzigane> Means you have to hold your arms up
[08:12] <Tzigane> repeditive stress injury
[08:12] <TheMuso> Yeah. That is what makes me keep my wrists up.
[08:12] <punkass> ah
[08:12] <Tzigane> repetitive, too
[08:13] <TheMuso> It is ok to have your elbos lower than your wrists while typing, but having your wrists up allows your fingers to move properly and not get squashed on the keyboard while you are typing for long stints.
[08:13] <Tzigane> Good point
[08:13] <Tzigane> Might try that more often =)
[08:13] <Tzigane> It does make it a little easier
[08:13] <TheMuso> Having your shoulders a good hight above the keyboard also helps.
[08:14] <Tzigane> By the way... does anyone know how to put a vga=... option in grub's menu.lst?  I'm used to lilo...
[08:14] <hazmat> what does SABDFL stand for?
[08:14] <opi> that way most keyboards have small legs ;)
[08:14] <TheMuso> I personally believe that people who want to learn how to type properly need to look at a pianist playing the piano.
[08:14] <TheMuso> Posture is everything
[08:16] <aitrus> Self-Appointed Benevolent Dictator For Life
[08:21] <punkass> has anyout complied libcoaster?
[08:22] <punkass> anyout = anyone
[08:23] <punkass> ./configure is giving me this error: No package 'gconf-2.0' found
[08:24] <crimsun> do you have libgconf2-dev installed?
[08:24] <punkass> hmmm probably not
[08:26] <punkass> that was it..thanks crimsun
[08:26] <crimsun> np
[08:26] <TheMuso> What is libcoaster
[08:26] <punkass> http://www.coaster-burn.org/libcoaster/
[08:27] <punkass> what i want to try is Coaster-gui
[08:27] <punkass> its a gnome burning app
[08:27] <punkass> '
[08:27] <punkass> in progress'
[08:27] <TheMuso> Ah ok. There is also another one that I know of called optimistic or something like that, in progress.
[08:28] <Despair> The following are needed in addition to libburn.
[08:28] <Despair> ...
[08:28] <Despair> libburn 0.2
[08:29] <adam__> hey guys, i have another problem, i'm only getting like 10FPS on the Flurry screen saver, I KNOW that this card can do better, its an ATI Radeon M7 (Mobility). I don't think DRI or whatever is installed properly. Can someone help?
[08:29] <TheMuso> What X driver are you using?
[08:30] <|trey|> TheMuso: umm, he prolly had one installed on startup, Ubuntu does that automagically  :/
[08:30] <|trey|> install*
[08:30] <adam__> how can I find out? don't want to guess
[08:30] <|trey|> s/startup/install time/
[08:31] <|trey|> adam__: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[08:32] <punkass> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `libburn-1.pc'
[08:32] <|trey|> adam__: do yourself a favor: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86... answer everything you know, on advanced...
[08:32] <punkass> but when i do a locate: /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig/libburn-1.pc
[08:32] <punkass> its there
[08:32] <adam__> Driver "ati" BusID "PCI:1:0:0"
[08:32] <adam__> punkass: check path
[08:32] <|trey|> Looks right... DRI is on?
[08:32] <adam__> Load "DRI" yes.
[08:32] <|trey|> (bottem)
[08:33] <|trey|> Hmm... it should be doing better then  :/
[08:33] <|trey|> directFB would be better maybe  :/
[08:33] <punkass> adam: check path?
[08:33] <|trey|> punkass: why would he check path to see why is FPS is fucked?
[08:33] <punkass> lol
 punkass: check path
[08:34] <|trey|> :
[08:34] <|trey|> :/
[08:34] <adam__> i forgot exactly how pkg-config worked but i remember that one time it didn't see the second directory, which was /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig, if u look there's also /usr/lib/pkgconfig with the packages that pkg-config sees.
[08:34] <punkass> ah
[08:34] <adam__> pkg-config --list-all
[08:34] <|trey|> Never use pkgconfig :/
[08:34] <adam__> u could move the files from /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig to /usr/lib/pkgconfig but thats not recommended...
[08:35] <adam__> yea, pkgconfig sucks
[08:35] <adam__> lol
[08:35] <TheMuso> adam__: You could try installing the binary ATI drivers if you wanted 3D support.
[08:35] <adam__> TheMuso: how?
[08:35] <|trey|> TheMuso: that was the next project *sigh*... someone asked if it was right driver  :/
[08:36] <punkass> adam: so it doesnt seem to show up there
[08:36] <|trey|> If there are company drivers... you always get them, damnit you paid enough for the support!
[08:36] <adam__> i thought there was a radeon driver?
[08:37] <|trey|> adam__: there is...
[08:37] <adam__> isn't that more specfic than ati?
[08:37] <|trey|> go to ATI's site, and read the instructions  :/
[08:37] <adam__> couldn't ati be used for rages also?
[08:37] <|trey|> ati = everyfuckingthing
[08:37] <adam__> yea
[08:37] <TheMuso> Ubuntu has the fgrlx drivers packaged. Search for fgrlx and you should be able to find them. THey are in restricted I think.
[08:37] <adam__> let me try radeon
[08:37] <|trey|> All purpose driver for ati products...
[08:38] <|trey|> Its binary...
[08:38] <adam__> brb
[08:38] <|trey|> thus not installed by default...
[08:39] <|trey|> have to add the modules...
[08:39] <TheMuso> What is ineresting, is the radeon driver is there, but not in the dpkg configuration list.
[08:39] <|trey|> module*
[08:40] <|trey|> TheMuso: you sure you don't have 'linux-resticted-modules' installed?
[08:40] <|trey|> Its a non-free driver  :/
[08:41] <TheMuso> No I don't have any binary ATI stuff installed. I am running a custom kernel, and know for a fact that I didn't rebuild any modules other than my wifi card module.
[08:43] <TheMuso> But in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers I have ati_drv.o and radeon_drv.o
[08:44] <punkass> doh..i got the coaster-gui and it says to run ./configure but ./configure: No such file or directory
[08:44] <TheMuso> And I certainly don't remember radeon being in the list of drivers to choose from when one runs dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[08:44] <punkass> i am doomed
[08:44] <TheMuso> If you got it from CVS or arch, you probably have to run something like autogen.sh to get automake to build the needed files for configuring.
[08:44] <punkass> ah
[08:45] <TheMuso> So you will need autoconf, automake, and very likely libtool at the very least.
[08:45] <punkass> thanks...gnome-common gives me all those
[08:46] <|trey|> build-essential  :/
[08:46] <adam__> found my problem: (EE) RADEON(0): [dri]  DRIScreenInit failed.  Disabling DRI.
[08:47] <TheMuso> So is that with the ati driver or the radeon driver?
[08:47] <adam__> either
[08:47] <Despair> try commenting out the BusID line /in XF86Config-4
[08:47] <punkass> i thought if you were running a binary driver you wernt suppost to have DRI enabled
[08:47] <adam__> (which i'm happier about, somethign wrong with DRI)?
[08:47] <|trey|> Radeon... it says  :/
[08:47] <adam__> well that was with RADEON
[08:47] <iz> is there a howto to install the nvidea driver on a amd64 system?
[08:48] <adam__> goodluck on the amd64 system lol
[08:48] <adam__> i gave up
[08:48] <|trey|> punkass: You're not... but he's using the 'radeon' driver cuz he's too lazy to go get the binary driver support he paid for  :/
[08:48] <iz> adam__, :)
[08:48] <crimsun> iz: same procedure as on ia32 if you use the RC iso
[08:48] <punkass> ah
[08:48] <|trey|> ikr
[08:49] <iz> crimsun, ah oki
[08:49] <adam__> |trey|: its ATI Mobility
[08:49] <adam__> there's no support for it
[08:49] <|trey|> ought to still have drivers  :/
[08:49] <adam__> Yes...
[08:49] <|trey|> On ATI's site...
[08:49] <adam__> Somewhere else...
[08:49] <adam__> Nope
[08:49] <punkass> ./autogen.sh: line 1: --print-ac-dir: command not found
[08:49] <adam__> MObility is OEM only. They say go to your OEM.
[08:49] <punkass> Checking for required M4 macros...
[08:49] <punkass>   libtool.m4 not found
[08:49] <Despair> |trey|: there's a lot of old chips ATI doesn't support in their binary drivers
[08:50] <|trey|> ugh
[08:50] <adam__> so how can i fix DRI?
[08:50] <Despair> and assorted recent laptop chips
[08:50] <punkass> /usr/share/aclocal/libtool.m4
[08:50] <punkass> /usr/share/libtool/libtool.m4
[08:50] <Despair> adam__: did you try commenting out the BusID line in XF86Config-4 as I suggested? (you'll need to restart X after that)
[08:50] <adam__> no, hold on
[08:51] <adam__> brb
[08:53] <Kirsch> its in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 right?
[08:53] <Despair> yes
[08:53] <iz> whats the url for the ubuntu forum?
[08:53] <TheMuso> http://www.ubuntuforum.org
[08:53] <Kirsch> its still loading RADEON
[08:53] <iz> cewl tnx
[08:54] <Despair> Option BusID BusID "PCI:1:0:0"
[08:54] <Despair> err, scratch one of those BusIDs
[08:54] <iz> huh
[08:54] <Kirsch> yea, icommented it out
[08:54] <Kirsch> still doesn't work
[08:54] <iz> This domain name has been successfully registered on behalf of a client by 123-reg.
[08:54] <Despair> ok, different problem.
[08:56] <TheMuso> I think that was the address anyway.
[08:56] <TheMuso> I stick to mailing lists personally. :)
[08:56] <iz> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ thats the one
[08:57] <Tzigane> Well, it looks like acpi=noicq works =)
[08:58] <Kirsch> any idea Despair?
[08:58] <TheMuso> Tzigane: Good to hear.
[08:59] <Despair> it could be agpgart or agp driver issues.
[08:59] <Despair> I don't know anything about issues with those with laptop chips, though.
[09:00] <Despair> Last I heard, pci gart was thoroughly smashed in DRI with radeon chips, don't know if that's been fixed.
[09:00] <iz> howto to install nvidia on a amd64: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/viewtopic.php?t=319&highlight=nvidia
[09:00] <TheMuso> Despair: What model number exactly is the card? You said it is an M7? I have an M7 7500 and my card seems to work with no problems.
[09:01] <TheMuso> This is on a ThinkPad R50.
[09:01] <Treenaks> iz: which re-directs you to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto -- because that works now
[09:01] <xskoulax> i wish i could get a screenshot of that
[09:01] <Despair> TheMuso: don't ask me, I have an Nvidia.
[09:02] <TheMuso> Who was having the ATI problems again?
[09:02] <Kirsch> me
[09:02] <Kirsch> I have the M7 i think too
[09:02] <Kirsch> 7500
[09:03] <TheMuso> Sorry Kirsch Got you and Despair mixed up.
[09:04] <Kirsch> thats alright
[09:04] <Despair> TheMuso: ati or fglrx?
[09:04] <Kirsch> any suggestions? i'm getting DRI failed.
[09:04] <Tzigane> Well, thanks again for all your help =) See ya
[09:04] <TheMuso> It certainly looks like DRI is working for me all right. I have even installed some OpenGL stuff to test it.
[09:04] <TheMuso> ati
[09:05] <Kirsch> well, hold on asec, i dunno if i'm even gonna be able to fix the problem
[09:05] <TheMuso> No frglx installed.
[09:05] <Kirsch> my laptop doens't turn on
[09:06] <Treenaks> Kirsch: is the battery empty?
[09:06] <Treenaks> Kirsch: no power connected?
[09:06] <Kirsch> it turns on then turns off
[09:06] <Kirsch> weird...
[09:07] <TheMuso> Do you get any messages on screen at all? Like any BIOS messages?
[09:07] <Kirsch> No, just shows the compaq logo and then turns off... hold on...
[09:08] <xskoulax> not feeling hot is it?
[09:09] <Kirsch> there it goes
[09:10] <xskoulax> Kirsch: was it just being dense
[09:10] <Kirsch> i have no idea...
[09:10] <Kirsch> that was very weird...
[09:11] <xskoulax> i had something like that a while ago with my vaio
[09:11] <Kirsch> brb, its dying out on Network interfaces (i have 2 cards now)
[09:12] <xskoulax> next time you have the computer off try taking a can of air to it
[09:13] <xskoulax> seemed to sort my vaio out, unless it was dumb luck it stopped doing it after that.
[09:13] <Kirsch> i have to get that can of air first...
[09:14] <xskoulax> Kirsch: no siblings you can hold to it and punch in the stomach?
[09:14] <punkass> No package 'libxml++-2.6' found
[09:14] <Treenaks> punkass: apt-cache search...
[09:14] <punkass> ive installed libxml++1.0  but that didnt seem to help
[09:15] <Kirsch> oh that did fix it
[09:15] <crimsun> libxml2-dev?
[09:15] <Kirsch> thank you :-)
[09:15] <Treenaks> punkass: you'll need the -dev probably..
[09:15] <punkass> i have the dev
[09:15] <Treenaks> punkass: and don't compile, use the package
[09:15] <punkass> but not libxml2-dev
[09:15] <Despair> Kirsch: what did, removing the BusID line?
[09:15] <crimsun> oh, libxml++2.6-dev
[09:15] <Kirsch> yep
[09:16] <crimsun> i missed that in my apt-cache search output
[09:16] <punkass> crimsun: i have libxml2-dev
[09:16] <crimsun> punkass: and libxml++2.6-dev?
[09:16] <punkass> cant find that one
[09:16] <Kirsch> i'm gonna write an article about how to install linux on this laptop, its an interesting one, the Evo :-P
[09:16] <Despair> Kirsch: Not at all surprised. It's not a good default for Ubuntu to enable that.
[09:16] <Kirsch> Yea, i can see why
[09:17] <Treenaks> Kirsch: put it on the wiki :)
[09:17] <Kirsch> I'll link it
[09:17] <Kirsch> actually
[09:17] <Kirsch> where on the wiki?
[09:20] <punkass> crimsun: well i can find a tar.gz of it but not a deb anywhere
[09:20] <TheMuso> DRI seems to work for me with the BusID option in my configuration. TuxRacer runs like a gem.
[09:21] <TheMuso> Now just have to work out why TuxRacer doesn't run full screen when sing Clone Mode on my laptop with an external monitor. :)
[09:21] <TheMuso> using
[09:21] <punkass> hmm and debian has it in there unstable repository
[09:22] <Lathiat> c
[09:23] <punkass> lamont: u around?
[09:29] <jdub> Kirsch: what was the bad default?
[09:31] <Kirsch> BusID
[09:32] <jdub> in XF86Config-4? for which card?
[09:32] <Kirsch> Yea, ATI Radeon M7
[09:32] <Kirsch> u a dev for ubuntu?
[09:32] <jdub> yeah
[09:32] <Despair> jdub: it's a bad default, since it's unneeded in single card systems, and in 2 card it has good odds of picking the wrong card.
[09:33] <Kirsch> i love you :-)
[09:33] <jdub> fabbione, daniels: ping
[09:33] <Kirsch> Ubuntu owns... But yea
[09:33] <Kirsch>  there are a few things i would like changed, but only from my laptop perspective, include ORINOCO_USB!! :-D
[09:33] <Kirsch> I compileed it, can I submit it?
[09:33] <Despair> Which is what happened to another guy earlier, with an unused prosavage being picked as the target for the radeon driver
[09:33] <punkass> jdub: do you know why libxml++2.6 is not in the repos?
[09:34] <jdub> punkass: check the build losg
[09:34] <jdub> http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/
[09:34] <punkass> i couldnt seem to find it in there
[09:34] <fabbione> jdub ?
[09:34] <jdub> fabbione: see busid discussion above
[09:34] <fabbione> jdub: not now..
[09:35] <jdub> punkass: perhaps it wasn't in sid at the time we froze
[09:36] <jdub> Kirsch: fabbione and daniels are the men to ask. perhaps mail ubuntu-devel about it.
[09:36] <Kirsch> fabbione: is it possible to submit that?
[09:36] <punkass> well its changelog is old Chris Leishman<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:38:04 +1100
[09:37] <punkass> hmm that doesnt make much sense since 2.6 wasnt around in 2000
[09:37] <fabbione> ok
[09:37] <fabbione> hold on
[09:37] <fabbione> what is this problem with the BusID?
[09:38] <Despair> fabbione: it prevents direct rendering from working with a stock XF86Config-4
[09:38] <Kirsch> apparently by having BusID enabled, it had problems with DRI
[09:38] <Despair> since it's doing things like specifying the busid for the internal prosavage that they aren't using.
[09:38] <Kirsch> but when i commented ti out, it worked fine
[09:39] <fabbione> one at a time
[09:39] <Kirsch> u go since u know more details
[09:39] <Kirsch> i'll ask my question after
[09:39] <Keybuk> punkass: gpg: Signature made Mon 21 Jun 2004 13:30:16 BST using DSA key ID B4E24219
[09:40] <punkass> hmm wonder when ubuntu froze
[09:40] <Despair> fabbione: I don't think the 1st AGP/PCI device isn't guaranteed to be 1:0:0, either, which may be what bit Kirsch. He's the 2nd person I know who has hit the problem.
[09:40] <Despair> fabbione: one laptop, one desktop, very different configs.
[09:40] <fabbione> Despair: the PCI values are calculated
[09:40] <Keybuk> roundabout then.  so it may have just not made it in
[09:40] <fabbione> Despair: the same way as the first primary card is detected
[09:40] <fabbione> Despair: it's not a random value
[09:41] <Kirsch> its not detecting it properly on mine tho...
[09:41] <Despair> fabbione: so why is it setting 1:0:0 on the driver for the 2nd card? and getting it wrong for Kirsch?
[09:41] <jdub> punkass: late june
[09:41] <fabbione> Despair: do you have 2 differend cards in the box?
[09:42] <punkass> doh.  ok thanks
[09:42] <Despair> fabbione: I didn't get hit by it, I commented it out before getting X working.
[09:42] <Despair> fabbione: mikal_ is the other one who got hit by it (hope I'm remembering his nickname right)
[09:42] <Kirsch> are there benefits to having BusID there?
[09:42] <fabbione> Kirsch: some cards do NOT work without
[09:42] <Keybuk> punkass: in fact, it didn't get *uploaded* to Debian until 5th July
[09:42] <Keybuk> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/2004/07/msg00336.html
[09:43] <punkass> Keybuk: thanks...that would explain why its not there
[09:43] <fabbione> Despair: if the savage driver does not support the BusID, it should simply skip it.
[09:43] <punkass> i am tempted to try the debian one....
[09:43] <fabbione> Despair: if it doesn't is a driver problem
[09:43] <Despair> fabbione: it sounds like it's not checking to make sure it matches the PCI ID to the right card. Should probably get lspci output from both these guys and try to figure out what is happening
[09:43] <fabbione> Despair: not a configuration error
[09:44] <Keybuk> punkass: it was probably sat in the NEW queue for a few days
[09:44] <Despair> fabbione: he's not using the savage at all
[09:44] <Keybuk> and hadn't popped out by the time warty froze
[09:44] <Despair> fabbione: onboard, I think he said it's disabled in cmos
 since it's doing things like specifying the busid for the internal
[09:44] <fabbione>           prosavage that they aren't using.
[09:45] <fabbione> Despair: ok if you don't have the problem, let me talk and ask specific info to them. Otherwise it gets only confusing
[09:45] <jdub> punkass: you might want to request a sync
[09:45] <jdub> punkass: of all the gnomemm packages, even
[09:45] <jdub> well, *mm
[09:45] <fabbione> Kirsch: you had the problem right?
[09:45] <jdub> murrayc mentioned this on the wiki too
[09:45] <Kirsch> fabbione: well, more so a request, can i submit drivers?
[09:46] <fabbione> Kirsch: drivers for what?
[09:46] <Kirsch> fabbione: orinoco_usb
[09:46] <Kirsch> it's for a Wireless card on Evo Laptops (all of them)
[09:46] <Kirsch> Compaq Evo
[09:46] <fabbione> Kirsch: not to me.. :-)
[09:47] <xskoulax> fabbione: i kirsch had the problem
[09:47] <fabbione> i have been called to see this BusID problem for X
[09:47] <Kirsch> Oh.
[09:47] <Kirsch> ok well if its necessary, then i'd guess leave it
[09:47] <Kirsch> the card DID work out of the box, i can put in a howto to disable it
[09:47] <fabbione> Kirsch: driver requests -> ubuntu-user or ubuntu-devel
[09:47] <Kirsch> huh?
[09:48] <fabbione> Kirsch: mailing lists :-)
[09:48] <fabbione> Kirsch: i would like to understand:
[09:48] <fabbione> 1) the problem
[09:48] <Kirsch> ah ok
[09:48] <sivang> jdub : I don't get it. I left the download for lamont
[09:48] <fabbione> 2) the solution
[09:48] <fabbione> 3) get some info from you
[09:48] <sivang> jdub : 's cd, and it hung up at 93%..
[09:48] <sivang> jdub : any known problems on the server there? I can't resume it etc
[09:49] <bob2_> sivang: is this people.u.c?
[09:49] <Kirsch> fabbione: ok, i should send an email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:49] <Kirsch> ?
[09:49] <fabbione> Kirsch: send a mail for the driver request.
[09:49] <Kirsch> ok
[09:49] <jdub> sivang: i don't know
[09:49] <fabbione> Kirsch: i want to know about X now :-)
[09:50] <Kirsch> Yea
[09:50] <punkass> doh it needs bakery-2.4 and debian unstable is only a 2.3-8
[09:50] <Kirsch> I have a Compaq Evo n800c
[09:50] <sivang> bob2_ : I am not sure
[09:50] <fabbione> Kirsch: 1) what is exactly the problem :-)
[09:50] <Kirsch> the card is a ATI Radeon M7 (7500) Mobility
[09:50] <Kirsch> checking for more details
[09:50] <sivang> jdub : you know if rsync is for anonymous access on p.u.c ?
[09:51] <fabbione> Kirsch: ok. i know that card... i have a mobility M6 and i had the Evo nc8000 for a month or so
[09:51] <sivang> jdub : I mean, if it's available to those who don't have an ssh account there?
[09:51] <Kirsch> ok
[09:51] <Kirsch> all i did to fix the problem was i disabled the BusID line in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[09:51] <fabbione> Kirsch: and the problem was to get DRI working?
[09:51] <jdub> sivang: rsync on people? dunno
[09:51] <Kirsch> Yes
[09:51] <fabbione> ok
[09:51] <sivang> jdub : ok, I
[09:52] <sivang> jdub : 'll stick to gnome download manager :)
[09:52] <fabbione> Kirsch: now i want you to do 3 things
[09:52] <Kirsch> I got an error with DRI start, i forgot what it was but itwas (EE) DRI failed
[09:52] <Despair> fabbione: sorry, it was mirak_ who had the same problem
[09:52] <fabbione> Kirsch: first of all open a bug on bugzilla.ubuntu.com describing exactly the problem.
[09:52] <bob2_> sivang: "rsync people.ubuntulinux.org::" will show if anything's available
[09:53] <fabbione> Kirsch: and add to the bug the configuration with the BusId enabled and disable
[09:53] <Despair> (II) RADEON(0): [drm]  drmSetBusid failed (5, PCI:1:0:0), Device or resource busy(EE) RADEON(0): [dri]  DRIScreenInit failed.  Disabling DRI.
[09:53] <fabbione> Kirsch: and the Xfree86 logs of X starting in both the condition
[09:53] <sivang> bob2_ : tnx
[09:54] <ygnome> fabbione: I'm still waiting for a bugzilla password from Sunday...
[09:54] <ygnome> fabbione: I'd like to help with bugreports but bugzilla sucks bad...
[09:54] <fabbione> ygnome: ask justdave
[09:55] <fabbione> i am not bugzilla maintainer
[09:55] <justdave> ask elmo, I don't have access to the logs.
[09:55] <Despair> fabbione: that bad paste I did earlier was from mirak_'s XFree86 log, and I believe that's the same thing Kirsch reported earlier.
[09:56] <justdave> I'm willing to bet your ISP does callback verification
[09:56] <ygnome> k. problem is, who else is having problems and giving up? It's a waste of effort. There should be an email link on there or something for when it's broken....
[09:56] <fabbione> Despair: it seems to be either a driver problem or a kernel problem. I am checking with Kirsch
[09:56] <justdave> our bugzilla machine doesn't have inbound email, so if they try to connect back, it fails
[09:56] <fabbione> Despair: for sure it's not something it will get fixed for warty
[09:57] <fabbione> brb
[09:57] <punkass> as anyone been able to compile Coaster-gui?
[09:58] <ygnome> justdave: ok. so how should I proceed?
[09:58] <Kirsch> side note: i thikn i already heard someone say in here
[09:59] <Kirsch> i'm getting error msgs with pciehp,shchp, hw_random, display bug?
[09:59] <justdave> ygnome: I can set your password for you so you can get in.
[09:59] <ygnome> justdave: ok that's a plan :)
[10:00] <Kirsch> Despair: it must be something, i can't reproduce the problem...
[10:02] <Skif>  Kirsch: those messages are harmless; they're just the kernel trying to load some modules and failing
[10:02] <justdave> ygnome: long term you could either get your ISP to whitelist us or maybe we'll get the inbound email working one of these days
[10:03] <Despair> hw_random is a disappointingly rare hardware feature.
[10:03] <ygnome> justdave: ok. thanks. maybe be a good idea to have an explanation on the bugzilla sign-up page about it?
[10:03] <justdave> yeah, probably wouldn't hurt.
[10:04] <Treenaks> Despair: unless you're blessed with a  VIA EPIA mainboard/Nehemiah CPU :)
[10:04] <fabbione> re
[10:04] <fabbione> hey Treenaks
[10:04] <Despair> Treenaks: yeah, that was a smart move by Via.
[10:04] <Treenaks> hi fabbione
[10:04] <Despair> Now if only they'd get S3 to get out of the way on allowing DRI to fully support S3TC...
[10:05] <Treenaks> Despair: the new VIA driver in xorg supports dri
[10:05] <fabbione> ok if there are no more X problems to solve.. i am back to work on X.org
[10:05] <Treenaks> fabbione: good luck :)
[10:05] <Despair> Treenaks: but not the arb compression extension.
[10:05] <fabbione> Treenaks: thanks! i really really really need it
[10:05] <Treenaks> Despair: arb compression?
[10:06] <Zindar> I have a X problem for you to solve! :)
[10:06] <Despair> GL_ARB_texture_compression
[10:06] <Zindar> I want to be able to add a screen on the fly...
[10:06] <Zindar> without restarting X
[10:06] <Zindar> can you fix that :-)
[10:06] <Zindar> hehe
[10:06] <punkass> lol i would like that too
[10:06] <Zindar> I run dualscreen at the office.. but not at home
[10:06] <punkass> ive got it at home...
[10:07] <punkass> i just made a little script that comments out the 4 nvidia twinview lines
[10:07] <fabbione> Zindar: no :-)
[10:07] <punkass> then do a ctrl-alt-back
[10:08] <Ng> you can kinda do it with twinview metamodes if you don't mind screwing with your resolution ;)
[10:09] <Zindar> punkass: why ? I always have the dualscreen settings,, if I start X with a second screen it works... if not it detects that it's not there and that also works
[10:09] <Zindar> Ng: what's that?
[10:09] <punkass> Zindar: i just do it so i can play ut2004 :)
[10:09] <Ng> Zindar: well, I have 1600x1200 on two monitors except if I change to 1280x1024 it's only on one monitor so I can play games ok
[10:09] <punkass> if i leave both monitors on..it sits in the center of the two
[10:09] <Ng> Zindar: it's not ideal for just turning one monitor off at the desktop though ;)
[10:10] <Zindar> Ng: no
[10:10] <Ng> much nicer than having to restart X to play ut though :)
[10:10] <Ng> I did try having a 1600x1200,NULL metamode as well as 1600x1200,1600x1200, but that just made the xinerama bits go extremely wonky ;(
[10:11] <punkass> Ng: so you just have it set up so depending on the res one or two monitors are on?
[10:11] <Ng> punkass: yep
[10:11] <punkass> slick
[10:12] <Ng> yes, twinview totally rocks :)
[10:12] <punkass> yeah..i am using it...but didnt know i could do that
[10:12] <Ng> Option     "MetaModes"                  "1600x1200,1600x1200; 1280x1024,1280x1024; 1280x1024,NULL; 1024x768,NULL; 800x600,800x600; 640x480,640x480"
[10:12] <Ng> that's what makes the magic happen
[10:12] <punkass> then what do u use to select the res?
[10:13] <Ng> I tell ut to play in 1280x1024, which thanks to the third metamode there, I can offer, so it switches to that
[10:13] <punkass> ah automatically...nice
[10:14] <punkass> well since i am 1280 normally... maybe ill do a 1024x768, NULL for ut
[10:14] <Ng> :)
[10:14] <Ng> I was half hoping I could persuade UT to fill both monitors, but having the crosshair on the edge of two monitors with an inch or two of plastic between.... sucked ;)
[10:15] <punkass> haha yeah i bet
[10:15] <JanneM> Ng: you need three monitors, in other words
[10:15] <punkass> that would nice
[10:15] <Ng> JanneM: yeah, but with no xinerama, so I need a triple head geforce ;)
[10:16] <Sn0wman|ZZZzzz> g'nite y'all.
[10:18] <Kirsch> oops LOL
[10:18] <Kirsch> i just dletect my entire /usr/bin folder
[10:18] <Kirsch> HAHAHAAH
[10:18] <Lathiat> that was stupid
[10:18] <Kirsch> i knew it was gonna happen too.. i have no idea why i just did that...
[10:19] <Lathiat> time to reinstall :)
[10:19] <opi^work> happy apt-get -reinstall package ;)
[10:19] <Keybuk> opi^work: and which directory is apt-get in? :p
[10:19] <Kirsch> bah..
[10:19] <opi^work> Keybuk: /bin maybe? ;p
[10:20] <Keybuk> Kirsch: ar pf /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.10.22ubuntu2_i386.deb data.tar.gz | tar xzf - -C /
[10:20] <opi^work> too bad
[10:20] <opi^work> emil@rohan:~$ whereis apt-get
[10:20] <opi^work> apt-get: /usr/bin/apt-get /usr/share/man/man8/apt-get.8.gz
[10:20] <Keybuk> Kirsch: dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/aptitude_<IP_ADDRESS>-2ubuntu3_i386.deb
[10:20] <Keybuk> Kirsch: aptitude reinstall "~i"
[10:20] <Ng> dpkg lives in /usr/bin ;)
[10:21] <Ng> so does ar
[10:21] <Lathiat> your more or less fscked :)
[10:21] <opi^work> everything that not's base sits in /usr/bin ;)
[10:21] <Keybuk> what a silly place to put ar
[10:21] <Kirsch> i know, i'm gonna reinstall, also for that BusID issue
[10:21] <Lathiat> easiest option would be to reinstall :)
[10:21] <Lathiat> Keybuk: not really
[10:21] <Skif> keybuk: if you can't mount /usr, is ar really the tool you're going to be looking to? :)
[10:23] <Ng> tar lives in /bin so you could make a case that ar should too
[10:23] <Ng> especially on a deb based system
[10:24] <opi^work> Ng: tar is usefull to restoring system :)
[10:24] <Keybuk> opi^work: so is ar
[10:24] <Lathiat> the only thing ar is usually used for is dpkg, and thats in /usr/bin, so
[10:24] <Ng> I didn't say it would be a good case ;)
[10:24] <Keybuk> Lathiat: yeah, but if you want to unpack .debs without dpkg (like, say, if you rm /usr) you need ar
[10:25] <Lathiat> i guess
[10:25] <Ng> removing /usr is a bit of an extreme case though ;)
[10:25] <Lathiat> but really if you remove /usr/bin you f**ked up and thats the end of it :)
[10:25] <Ng> and nowhere near as much fun as breaking libc
[10:25] <Lathiat> oh i did that once
[10:25] <Lathiat> that was fun
[10:25] <Lathiat> thank god it wasnt a production box
[10:25] <opi^work> more complex system make are more complex to restore if you fsck something :-)
[10:26] <Lathiat> go shell builtins !
[10:26] <Ng> yeah, I managed to destroy libc on a sparc/32 box with no monitors or keyboards. I had one ssh open to fix it from and (thank goodness), I managed it ;)
[10:26] <Lathiat> this is why I keep a static copy of fileutils and a shell on important servers
[10:26] <Lathiat> Ng: haha
[10:26] <Lathiat> Ng: whatd you do
[10:26] <Skif> Ng: wow, that takes talent (for both causing and fixing the problem :)
[10:27] <opi^work> ok, Im afk for Slackware installation ;-)
[10:27] <Lathiat> Ng: encode a libc into a series of \xxxs and cat it into the library file? :P
[10:27] <Ng> Lathiat: to break it? Try and dist-upgrade to unstable (bad idea on sparc/32 it seems). I think I fixed it with cat, yeah ;)
[10:28] <punkass> Ng: well it didnt like that much :(
[10:28] <Lathiat> Ng: i meant to fix it but yeh heh
[10:28] <Ng> Skif: hehe
[10:28] <punkass> putting "1024x768, NULL" gave a parse error
[10:28] <Ng> paste the error?
[10:28] <krischan> a question: is anyone using the Mozilla Firefox browser around here?
[10:29] <krischan> I'm having a problem with it.
[10:29] <jimi> hi
[10:29] <Skif> kris: I imagine most people are, seeing as ubuntu ships with it :)
[10:29] <Skif> ask away
[10:29] <jimi> are there any public conclusions about yesterday meeting?
[10:29] <Keybuk> sed -e "0,/data\.tar\.gz/d" /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.10.22ubuntu2_i386.deb > data.tar.gz
[10:29] <Keybuk> tar xzf data.tar.gz -C /
[10:30] <Keybuk> there we go :p
[10:30] <punkass> Ng: Parse error on line 107 of section Screen in file /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[10:30] <punkass>         "1024x768 , NULL" is not a valid keyword in this section.
[10:30] <Lathiat> Keybuk: are you serious? :P
[10:30] <krischan> Skif: Yep, I thought so! :) Well, Firefox shows a blinking cursor when displaying web pages, which prevents proper scrolling.
[10:30] <Keybuk> Lathiat: sure.
[10:30] <punkass> (EE) Problem parsing the config file
[10:30] <Lathiat> haha thats a cute hack
[10:30] <Skif> Keybuk: stop that now, before my brain explodes
[10:30] <Ng> punkass: the only obvious difference is I didn't have spaces in mine
[10:30] <jimi> or not yet?
[10:30] <Skif> krischan: can you give a URL which exhibits this problem?
[10:30] <Treenaks> krischan: press f7
[10:30] <Ng> punkass: except after the ;
[10:30] <punkass> i tried with and without
[10:31] <krischan> Whenever I hit Cursor-up, Cursor-down or Page-up, Page-down, instead of simply scrolling the page, the cursor is being moved. I find that extremly nerving!
[10:31] <punkass> the ;?
[10:31] <Treenaks> krischan: press F7 on your keyboard
[10:31] <Skif> ah, that
[10:31] <krischan> Skif: It's everywhere.
[10:31] <Skif> yeah, wot Treenaks said
[10:31] <krischan> Treenaks: I'll try ...
[10:31] <Ng> punkass: paste me the line you put into the config :)
[10:31] <punkass> Ng: i just tried:   Option "MetaModes" "1280x1024 , 1024x768" "1024x768 , NULL"
[10:31] <Ng> ahhh
[10:32] <Ng> too many " :)
[10:32] <krischan> Treenaks: Indeed, that's it. Thank you. Could you explain me, why that cursor is being displayed anyway?
[10:32] <punkass> where?
[10:32] <Treenaks> krischan: it told you when you first pressed F7
[10:32] <Treenaks> krischan: "caret browsing"
[10:32] <Keybuk> Lathiat: ar is a good old-fashioned UNIX file format.  Headers are plain text, terminating in a new line :p
[10:32] <Ng> punkass: it should be: Option    "MedaModes"  "1280x1024,1024x768; 1024x768,NULL"
[10:32] <punkass> ahhh ok thanks
[10:33] <Lathiat> Keybuk: yeh :)
[10:33] <Lathiat> Keybuk: thats jus evil :)
[10:33] <Ng> punkass: np, hope it works :)
[10:33] <punkass> find out right now..brb
[10:34] <Keybuk> Lathiat: nope, it was *designed* so you could do this :p
[10:34] <Keybuk> that's like running away scared when you realise you can cat two .gz files together, and then gunzip them as one :p
[10:34] <Ng> hehe
[10:34] <Skif> keybuk: doesn't that rely on data.tar.gz being at the end of the archive?
[10:34] <krischan> Treenaks: "for selecting text over the keyboard" ... interesting feature. Does it lack an obvious way to be turned off, or am I simply blind? (you can be brutally honest! ;-)
[10:34] <Keybuk> Skif: yes, fortunately so does dpkg :)
[10:35] <Skif> Keybuk: as long as everybody's singing from the same hymnbook, then :)
[10:35] <Lathiat> Keybuk: you can?
[10:36] <Treenaks> krischan: if you turn it on (by pressing F7) it'll give you a dialog box asking if you really really wanted that
[10:36] <Keybuk> Skif: though tar will just skip the junk at the end if data.tar.gz isn't the last thing
[10:36] <krischan> Treenaks: Yep, I noticed, I turned it on and off several times. Okay, thank you for the hint!
[10:37] <Skif> Keybuk: good point; I was thinking if control.tar.gz was there it would unpack that as well, but the header would probably confuse tar enough to stop it, right?
[10:38] <Keybuk> Skif: exactly
[10:38] <krischan> Treenaks: The issue was that it was turned on all the time, since I had updated Firefox, and since I didn't know about the feature, I didn't know what to do about it.
[10:38] <Lathiat> Keybuk: | tar xz, wasting space spitting it out :P
[10:40] <krischan> another question: On a terminal, I like to use the key combination Ctrl-Cursor-left|Ctrl-Cursor-right in order to move the cursor word-wise. In Ubuntu's gnome-terminal this key combination only produces the output "D" and "C" on the command line, without moving the cursor anywhere. Can anybody explain me why?
[10:41] <opi^work> krischan: wrong terminal definition
[10:42] <opi^work> krischan: try export TERM=vt100 and see if it's ok now
[10:42] <guckelheiler> hi, does ubunt use sarge sources?
[10:42] <opi^work> guckelheiler: Read FAQ
[10:42] <jimi> not recommended
[10:42] <opi^work> guckelheiler: you can, but it's bad idea
[10:43] <guckelheiler> but it uses apt?
[10:43] <bob2_> guckelheiler: yes
[10:43] <bob2_> or aptitude or synaptic
[10:44] <opi^work> guckelheiler: it's Debian fork
[10:44] <krischan> opi^work: Where shall I define that? In ~/.bashrc ?
[10:44] <guckelheiler> how many softwarepackages are included
[10:44] <opi^work> guckelheiler: so it's Debain on it's base
[10:44] <bob2_> guckelheiler: nearly all of Debian sid
[10:44] <opi^work> guckelheiler: everything that you can find in SID
[10:45] <opi^work> krischan: first, try it on terminal
[10:45] <opi^work> krischan: setting term to VT100  will cause that you'll not see ANSI codes
[10:45] <opi^work> krischan: so then, try export TERM=ansi
[10:45] <bob2_> opi^work: it doesn't contain everything from sid.
[10:46] <opi^work> bob2_: I stand corrected, almos everything
[10:46] <opi^work> bob2_: Im using Debian SID and Ubuntu, haven't find something missiong, so I assumed so ;)
[10:46] <opi^work> missing
[10:49] <punkass> Ng: well that seems to work pretty nicly
[10:49] <punkass> to bad it restarts X when u exit the game
[10:51] <Ng> punkass: erk, that sounds like a bug :/
[10:51] <punkass> oh yours doesnt do that?
[10:52] <Ng> punkass: newp, exiting the game just pops me back to 1600x1200,1600x1200 desktop
[10:52] <punkass> hmm
[10:52] <Ng> X restarting actually sounds like it crashed
[10:52] <punkass> tho it is still nicer than anything else so far :)
[10:52] <punkass> yeah
[10:52] <Ng> hehe, well that's something :)
[10:53] <xaerius> is ubuntu based on Deb?
[10:53] <bob2_> yes.
[10:54] <xaerius> ok
[10:54] <punkass> Ng: well thanks for your help...time for sleep..later all
[10:54] <opi^work> we need a topic with
[10:54] <opi^work> ,,Before you ask about basics, read FAQ. No, read it! We mean it!''
[10:55] <opi^work> or ,,Ubuntu is based od Debian'' ;)
[10:56] <Ng> punkass: np, cya :)
[10:56] <krischan> opi^work: "export TERM=vt100" doesn't show any effect.
[10:56] <opi^work> krischan: type echo $TERM and see what result will you get
[10:57] <krischan> result is "vt100"
[10:57] <opi^work> (in other TERM, this one has vr100;-)
[11:00] <krischan> Yes, it does. And thsi Ctrl-left Crtl-right don't work properly.
[11:00] <krischan> s/thsi/still/
[11:02] <bob2_> does that work in any terminal at all?
[11:03] <krischan> bob2_: Yep, my "old" terminal on Fedora Core 2 and other distros (e.g. Suse) took that properly.
[11:03] <bob2_> what terminal was that?
[11:03] <bob2_> I've never seen it work
[11:04] <krischan> bob2_: Also gnome-terminal as well, respectively bash.
[11:06] <jamesh> krischan: if it is the bug I think it is, it is a problem in the xterm terminfo definition
[11:06] <jamesh> krischan: the terminal emulator in gnome-terminal uses the terminfo definitions to work out what features to provide.
[11:10] <krischan> jamesh: I'm also searching on the topic, reading something about xterm emulation. Where can I find this xterm terminfo definition, and what do I have to change in order to get it right.
[11:10] <krischan> ?
[11:11] <Ng> I remember being able to use Ctrl-left/Ctrl-right to skip whole words in a shell. that was great.
[11:12] <jamesh> krischan: okay, it looks like it is a different problem.
[11:12] <Ng> worked up to about rh9 for me
[11:12] <bob2_> meta-b and meta-f work.
[11:12] <jamesh> krischan: try doing this: sudo vi /etc/inputrc
[11:12] <Ng> since then my terminals get more and more broken ;)
[11:12] <jamesh> krischan: search for beginning-of-line, and uncomment that line and the one below
[11:14] <jamesh> krischan: if you want ctrl+left/right to work too, uncomment the forward-word/backward-word lines too.
[11:14] <jamesh> krischan: you will have to close your terminal and open it again for the change to take effect
[11:15] <jamesh> I wonder if there is a reason they are commented out?
[11:17] <krischan> jamesh: There are two definitions for both forward-word and backward-word each, shall I uncomment each two?
[11:19] <krischan> It simply W-O-R-K-S!
[11:19] <krischan> Thank you very much, jamesh! :)
[11:19] <jamesh> krischan: the first is all that is necessary
[11:21] <krischan> You know, somehow it is exciting using a distro that isn't configured perfectly yet. By the obstacles you encounter, you really learn something about the OS.
[11:22] <Krypt0n> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6332906063
[11:24] <Krypt0n> oh fuck
[11:24] <Krypt0n> wrong channel
[11:24] <Krypt0n> im so sorry guys :S
[11:24] <Keybuk> Krypt0n: it could've been worse; imagine what you *could* have been looking at on e-bay
[11:24] <Krypt0n> heh
[11:25] <Krypt0n> i was supposed to post it in another channel on another server
[11:25] <Krypt0n> its just that it was the last channel on my channel toolbar... now this one is, so i confused the two lol
[11:26] <Krypt0n> on topic, ubuntu is a really nice distro
[11:26] <Krypt0n> i downloaded the live cd
[11:26] <Krypt0n> top notch :)
[11:26] <Krypt0n> nice and fast, no complaints, except that apt-get didnt work, something about not finding a package list, but then again i'm a bit of a newbie so its most likely my fault :)
[11:27] <mrjive> hi *
[11:29] <__daniel> hellas!
[11:31] <krischan> guys, by "apt-get install build-essentials" one can install everything necessary in order to compile and build programs. Is there something comparable in order to get an Apache web server including PHP up and running?
[11:31] <krischan> perhaps something like "apt-get install web-essentials"?
[11:32] <Ng> krischan: you can often make that work with dependencies too - if you install, say, "php4-mysql" it'll depend on php4, which should depend on apache and so on
[11:32] <Krypt0n> heh on the ubuntu website it has that pic of the 3 people.. what is the significance of that?
[11:33] <Krypt0n> wouldnt some people find that offensive?
[11:33] <Krypt0n> i mean sure people have bikini babes and stuff as wallpapers, but im assuming that pic comes stock standard
[11:33] <Krypt0n> i have no problem with it, im just asking
[11:33] <krischan> Krypt0n: no offense, but are you playing innocent? ;)
[11:33] <Krypt0n> playing innocent?
[11:33] <Krypt0n> :P
[11:34] <Ng> there have been lots of debates about those pictures ;)
[11:34] <Krypt0n> oh
[11:34] <krischan> Krypt0n: I'm just asking because there has been/is going on a very heated discussing about excatly that issue.
[11:34] <Krypt0n> never knew
[11:35] <Krypt0n> haha really?
[11:35] <Krypt0n> this is the first time i've been in here
[11:35] <Krypt0n> a friend of mine told me about the distro and i saw on a forum this irc channel
[11:35] <Krypt0n> so i thought i would see what its about
[11:35] <Krypt0n> so what, are people actually complaining about that pic?
[11:35] <Ng> yup
[11:36] <krischan> Krypt0n: On a boring afternoon, trouble yourself to read the ubuntu-users mailing list archive ... a real thriller, I tell ya!
[11:36] <Krypt0n> i will make sure i do that
[11:36] <Krypt0n> its amazing that a whole discussion about a distro is the login page background :P
[11:38] <xskoulax> Krypt0n: some people seem to confuse porn with pictures of semi-naked people hanging out
[11:38] <krischan> Krypt0n: One might wonder "Why all that heck?" allright, but there are people who really believe is this distro, they want to see it spread, and there're concerns that such pictury could damage the establishment of this distro.
[11:39] <xskoulax> i could understand if they appeared to be doing anything the least bit sexual
[11:39] <Krypt0n> i agree with that
[11:39] <Krypt0n> i personally dont find it offensive
[11:39] <darkersatanic> xskoulax: But to some cultures, they _are_ doing something sexual.
[11:39] <xskoulax> yea
[11:39] <xskoulax> i realise this
[11:39] <Krypt0n> but i can understand how that could prevent it becoming a more widespread distro
[11:39] <Krypt0n> especially for use in schools or workplaces
[11:40] <xskoulax> just bugs me that people can be so dense
[11:40] <__daniel> i dont... Ubuntu just rocks and you can change the artwork
[11:40] <MyKq3> hello , when i tryed to run firefox with hebrew support i resived this massage "warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = (unset),  LC_ALL = "he_IL", LANG = "he_IL" are supported and installed on your system.". were can i check it ( or add it) ?
[11:40] <xskoulax> maybe it needs to be an option on the installer
[11:40] <darkersatanic> The consensus here last night was that the current artwork should be shipped,
[11:40] <darkersatanic> but not as the default.
[11:40] <xskoulax> that would work
[11:40] <darkersatanic> If you like it (and many people do),
[11:40] <Krypt0n> thats a good idea
[11:40] <darkersatanic> then you can change _to_ the controversial artwork.
[11:40] <Krypt0n> i used the livecd and never noticed it
[11:41] <Krypt0n> but thats because there is no login screen
[11:41] <xskoulax> darkersatanic: i like it my lcd has a faulty pixel that shows up as green on dark colors its right on the black girls nostril
[11:41] <xskoulax> looks great
[11:41] <Krypt0n> haha
[11:41] <Krypt0n> nice :)
[11:41] <Krypt0n> does anyone know who those people are?
[11:42] <__daniel> models from 3 parts of africa :-)
[11:42] <Krypt0n> ahh
[11:42] <xskoulax> looks good from here
[11:42] <__daniel> ;-)
[11:42] <Krypt0n> heh the white girl don't look too bad from up here either ;)
[11:42] <Krypt0n> well both actually
[11:43] <Krypt0n> but hey im a nerd so anything will do
[11:43] <Krypt0n> lol
[11:43] <krischan> MyKq3: have you installed a hebrew language pack already?
[11:44] <xskoulax> tell you what any distro that ships with artwork featuring attractive models gets my vote ;-)
[11:44] <Krypt0n> haha :p
[11:44] <Krypt0n> the only problem is that would affect the growth of the distro
[11:44] <xskoulax> would be nice to increase the number of said desktops though to feature more cultures
[11:44] <MyKq3> krischan,  how can i check it  ?
[11:44] <Krypt0n> since corporate/education users wouldnt like it
[11:45] <Krypt0n> which i assume is the ONLY problem with the picture
[11:45] <xskoulax> Krypt0n: i agree with what you're saying fully, i just want my models with a chocolate filter over them it looks nice ;-)
[11:46] <MyKq3> krischan,  i can c and write in hebrew on firefox .... the problem starts when i m trying to use JAVA app on FireFox
[11:46] <Krypt0n> haha :P
[11:46] <krischan> MyKq3: Not sure, it's been a while that I had the same problem when I tryed to establish German support ...
[11:46] <krischan> MyKq3: I see.
[11:47] <xskoulax> the previous artwork makes a nice default
[11:47] <Krypt0n> one thing i like about the distro is how it looks very very nice
[11:47] <Krypt0n> very smooth
[11:47] <Krypt0n> very unified
[11:48] <Krypt0n> the last distro i used was mandrake 8.1
[11:48] <Krypt0n> in comparison, this is really really nice
[11:48] <MyKq3> from the error masage i understud that there is a file that contine this info.... the qustion is were is it =\
[11:48] <krischan> MyKq3: Have you restarted Firefox with that command "firefox -UILocale [locale-code]  -contentLocale [NATIONcode] "?
[11:48] <Krypt0n> i can see this distro has a lot of potential, and when i have a chance i'll actually install it
[11:48] <xskoulax> i've had it installed for 2 days now and whilst i havn't done much with it i can see no reason to boot to windows now unless i want to play games
[11:48] <Krypt0n> (im using a laptop and it seems to run perfectly, detected everything)
[11:49] <xskoulax> what laptop/
[11:49] <needhelpbadly> hello all
[11:49] <xskoulax> hi
[11:49] <Krypt0n> its an emachines
[11:49] <xskoulax> hmm
[11:49] <Krypt0n> arima w720-k7
[11:49] <Krypt0n> actually
[11:50] <MyKq3> krischan,  yeah that what i have done
[11:50] <xskoulax> from what i heard my vaio fxa53 will be flawless, the livecd maintainer has one ;-)
[11:50] <Krypt0n> heh cool
[11:51] <Krypt0n> at the moment i have only a 30gb hdd
[11:51] <Krypt0n> but i plan to buy a 80gb soon, when that happens i'll install the latest ubuntu
[11:51] <xskoulax> thats what i thought, only asked as an innocent question just incase and boom lamont serves up an early xmas present
[11:51] <needhelpbadly> are firewalls and antivirus needed on gnu/linux the same as windows?
[11:52] <Krypt0n> heh
[11:52] <Krypt0n> i never checked, but does ubuntu come with any servers running? (ftp/www/ssh?)
[11:52] <Zindar> needhelpbadly: no...
[11:52] <Zindar> Krypt0n: no
[11:52] <Zindar> :)
[11:52] <Krypt0n> cool
[11:52] <__daniel> needhelpbadly, antivirus not that much, unless you drive a mailserver that might send viruses to the users
[11:52] <needhelpbadly> i soudnt be paranoid?
[11:52] <needhelpbadly> lol
[11:52] <Zindar> Krypt0n: not even installed by default
[11:53] <Krypt0n> excellent
[11:53] <Krypt0n> i can see this going head to head with windows xp the way its going
[11:54] <xskoulax> the thing that has given me the biggest kick so far with ubuntu is the terminal server client, playing civIII running on laptop whilst sitting at desktop was kool
[11:54] <Krypt0n> hehe
[11:55] <xskoulax> Krypt0n: its kicked windows down to gaming only for me so far. i just love the light install, clean desktop, and speed
[11:55] <Krypt0n> i can understand
[11:55] <Krypt0n> i dont even game hah so for me it should be easier
[11:56] <Krypt0n> although san andreas would change that for sure
[11:57] <xskoulax> i'll have to get drivers for my ati sorted out so i can play some quake3 that with reversi and tetris should keep reboots to a min
[11:57] <Krypt0n> heh
[11:58] <Treenaks> xskoulax: http://bbspot.com/News/2003/02/ati_ascii.html
[11:58] <Krypt0n> once developers start releasing games for linux, i think a LOT of people will start switching, especially when players like ubuntu release linux to the masses
[12:01] <xskoulax> its kind of a catch22 though developers will only build for linux when it has a good market share and without companies providing 3rd party software many won't switch :-(
[12:01] <xskoulax> then there is the whole closed standards mess like .doc
[12:02] <Treenaks> xskoulax: people are switching to OOo on windows as well
[12:03] <xskoulax> i know i've used it and abiword there
[12:03] <xskoulax> same is happening with firefox
[12:03] <sertmann> can you in gnome/ubuntu invoke a command when a certain device is attached to your system, in my case when my iPod is attached to /dev/sda2 could i set gtkpod to start automagically (like gThumbs does when my camera get's connected)?
[12:04] <xskoulax> open source software is gaining acceptance thankfully, and with longhorn a ways off there is a nice window to capture some market share
[12:05] <sertmann> heads up to the ubuntu devs for that btw...
[12:06] <sertmann> xskoulax: i have a feeling Longhorn will send users screaming away to other OS's when they try it....
[12:06] <xskoulax> can but hope ;-)
[12:06] <nreid> I notice there is much talk about ACPI issues on various laptops in the web forums - Has anyone seen an issue where a process called kacpid goes AWOL and takes all the CPU?
[12:06] <nreid> And the only fix I can find is a reboot...
[12:08] <nreid> ACPI support seems like a real issue for Linux acceptance, I love using Ubuntu (so fast, clean and reliable) but it would be great if all of the ACPI functions were properly supported in a bug-free manner. (SoftSuspend, etc)
[12:08] <xskoulax> sertmann: i'd like for apple to make some cheaper x86/x86-64 boxes and ship a osx version, that way they can keep control over the hardware and we can get a cheaper osx option
[12:09] <sertmann> would be nice if they made x86 boxes at all....
[12:10] <xskoulax> true, the boxes they send products in are better than most x86 boxes
[12:11] <Ng> yeah, apple are going to do "cheaper" ;)
[12:11] <sertmann> lol
[12:12] <sertmann> i would consider osx, but only if it ran on x86 architecture, and i don't see that hapening anytime soon....
[12:13] <muelling> Hello everyone!!!
[12:13] <sertmann> for now ill just use linux...
[12:13] <jamesh> sertmann: really?  I'd prefer to run OS X on the architecture that all the apps are released for ...
[12:13] <xskoulax> well if i can scrape the funds together i want a apple lappy battery life beats the snot out of this vaio
[12:13] <jamesh> with a closed distro, your choice of architecture matters.
[12:14] <sertmann> jamesh, well that would work too....
[12:14] <xskoulax> lol @ Jamesh
[12:14] <sertmann> think we mean the same thing here so no need to argue...
[12:14] <sertmann> :)
[12:15] <sertmann> I can't help that english is not my native language... :p
[12:15] <muelling> Some days ago some weird freaks got MacOS X on the XBOX. What a shame :-)
[12:15] <xskoulax> as a thought does anyone know about sertmann's question about autostarting gtkpod when attaching his ipod to sda2
[12:16] <muelling> Doing so they used a Mac EMulator on a Mini Linux Installation on the XBOX..... ts ts ts...
[12:17] <xskoulax> muelling: maybe its me but that seems like cheating
[12:17] <muelling> btw.... Wasnt there a plan to release MacOS X for x86 Platforms?
[12:17] <sertmann> xskoulax: got some response in #gnome, not entirely sure what's his babbeling about though, allthough it sounds right.... :)
[12:17] <xskoulax> sertmann: kool
[12:17] <jimi> brb
[12:18] <sertmann> http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=55 <- that could work
[12:18] <xskoulax> muelling: i heard that apple has an internal x86 version they developed so they have the choice to switch to x86 chips should they want to
[12:21] <UBMike> I have a monitor that does a little better than 1024x768, but X (nv) wont run above 1024. this is in the log, how do I fix it:
[12:21] <UBMike> (II) NV(0): Not using mode "1152x870" (no mode of this name)
[12:21] <muelling> ah ok. :-)
[12:21] <muelling> I suggest installing the current nvidia drivers.
[12:22] <UBMike> muelling, ok, how would I go about that?
[12:23] <darkersatanic> UBMike: Try 1152x864 instead.
[12:23] <UBMike> darkersatanic, ok, but how...?
[12:24] <muelling> Just go to www.nvidia.com and download the package. This is a self extracting package that des everything for you.
[12:24] <sertmann> hmmmm wait up
[12:24] <Treenaks> muelling: not necessary, read the Binary Drivers Howto on the wiki
[12:24] <Treenaks> muelling: ubuntu comes with the drivers
[12:24] <sertmann> there some availale via apt
[12:25] <muelling> the only problem you may get are some missing kernel sources. I got the linux sources from www.kernel.org, built my own kernel and then installed the nvidiapackage
[12:25] <xskoulax> Treenaks: are their ati drivers included by chance/
[12:25] <muelling> ah ok. i didnt know that :-)
[12:25] <xskoulax> ?
[12:25] <Treenaks> xskoulax: I think so
[12:25] <Treenaks> muelling: Read the FAQ first, before trying to answer questions :)
[12:26] <muelling> there are more ways to get to rome you know.... :-)) i just wanted to help :-)
[12:26] <sertmann> hmmm
[12:27] <xskoulax> Treenaks: faq what a novel idea i really should do that sometimes;-)
[12:28] <dyn> i wonder if anyone knows that
[12:28] <dyn> what version of gcc and what optimalization settings are used to build ubuntu..
[12:28] <xskoulax> see thats is the biggest problem with a good community, people go to them for answers
[12:28] <sertmann> Treenaks: well it's not easy to find....
[12:28] <Treenaks> sertmann: it's in the topic!
[12:29] <Treenaks>  FAQ: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/
[12:29] <Ng> dyn: I think that's somewhere on the wiki/faq
[12:29] <Ng> dyn: I vaguely remember reading something about the cpu targets they compile for
[12:29] <sertmann> well i was just looking though the faq, and i still can't find it...
[12:30] <dyn> i just ask, because it's noticably *much* faster than my optimized-for-cpu gentoo built from stage1, and several friends reported the same
[12:30] <dyn> Ng: we really have no idea about how this can happen
[12:30] <Ng> how was the gentoo build "optimized"?
[12:31] <UBMike> Treenaks, when I 'sudo nvidia-glx-config enable' will I lose X?
[12:31] <Ng> slapping a load of -f and -O gcc options into a config file is not the same as optimising ;)
[12:31] <muelling> dyn: i feel the same wih gentoo.
[12:31] <dyn> Ng: ok, you got point here :)
[12:31] <Ng> especially -O3 ;)
[12:31] <dyn> i didn't tweak it much, but it was compiled with -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe
[12:31] <dyn> i do avoid -O3
[12:31] <dyn> and with -march=i686
[12:32] <dyn> muelling: yea, it's really unbelievable
[12:32] <Ng> dyn: from what I can see, this is built with -march=i486 -mcpu=pentium4
[12:32] <dyn> no -O* settings?
[12:33] <UBMike> bbiab if it works :)
[12:33] <Ng> dyn: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/optimised-packages/view
[12:33] <dyn> let me check, Ng
[12:33] <darkersatanic> Aren't the standard Gentoo optimisation flags: -O666 -fomit-instructions
[12:34] <dyn> i'd like to keep that discussion tech-close, if possible
[12:34] <dyn> without going into gentoo flames (pro or kontra :)
[12:34] <darkersatanic> dyn: Sorry. :)
[12:34] <dyn> darkersatanic: thanks ;)
[12:35] <dyn> for example, i dont use kde. but my noob friend installing ubuntu yesterday, reported a KDE startup time of about 5 secs on ubuntu, and had it around 20secs on gentoo
[12:35] <dyn> which is quite a difference
[12:35] <UBMike> Treenaks, well, it's working... :)
[12:35] <UBMike> now to change res...
[12:36] <Ng> dyn: there are so many things that can affect that, it's quite hard to pin it down to gcc
[12:36] <dyn> Ng: the "optimised C library" stands for a tweaked glibc compilation, or something else?
[12:36] <dyn> Ng: yeah i know it's a fast moving target ;)
[12:36] <Ng> I would assume that's just glibc built for i686
[12:36] <sjoerd> dyn: such a big speedup can't be just gcc
[12:36] <dyn> Ng: i'm just looking for any hints or tips on what can cause that
[12:36] <Ng> does gentoo (or unbuntu for that matter) do prelinking?
[12:37] <Ng> that's supposed to speed up c++ apps quite a lot
[12:37] <dyn> gentoo can be configured to use prelinking
[12:37] <dyn> ubuntu uses it? it could explain the vast difference between kde startup times
[12:37] <sertmann> UBMike. good luck, i had to salvage an old XF86Config-4 from my old debian drive to get higher than 640x480 could get ubuntu to configure it properly, if you can't get it working - that's an idea right there :)
[12:37] <Ng> dyn: I'm not sure if ubuntu does, it was just a possibility that sprung to mind
[12:37] <sertmann> couldn't even
[12:38] <UBMike> sertmann, well, I have 1024x768...
[12:38] <dyn> sjoerd: can you confirm ubuntu using extensive prelinking with its packages?
[12:38] <jk> ubuntu doesn't use prelinking...it does something else with gnome
[12:38] <Ng> I see no prelink on my ubuntu install, so I guess it doesn't use it either
[12:38] <sjoerd> dyn: i don't use ubuntu, so no idea
[12:38] <jk> prelink is available in the repo though
[12:39] <sertmann> saw that, but it might have something to do with the hsync and vrefresh you can't go any higher.... did you check your XF86Config-4?
[12:39] <dyn> sjoerd: hmm i thought you lead the yesterday meeting here.. it must be my crap name memory, sorry :)
[12:40] <sjoerd> dyn: that was sabfl or something
[12:40] <UBMike> sertmann, good idea, I have just been looking at the logs so far.
[12:40] <dyn> sjoerd: okay
[12:41] <UBMike> sertmann,         HorizSync       30-69        VertRefresh     50-130
[12:41] <jk> thread about prelinking: http://lists.ubuntulinux.org/archives/ubuntu-devel/2004-October/000349.html
[12:41] <dyn> checking out
[12:42] <UBMike> sertmann, default bitdepth 24, modes: Modes           "1152x870" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600"
[12:42] <UBMike> so, should go...
[12:42] <sertmann> hmmm don't know then, those look fine...
[12:42] <dyn> jk: i'm no native speaker, but Jeff's answer seems to confirm that ubuntu is getting built with prelinking by default, right?
[12:43] <jk> dyn: nope, it uses some gcc options described here: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2004-September/msg00378.html
[12:43] <jk> err linker options
[12:44] <dyn> jk: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2004-September/msg00381.html - "Yes. All of Ubuntu is built with it by default." - that lead me to this consequence (wrong, as it seems)
[12:44] <dyn> hmm-mm
[12:44] <jk> dyn: yes you have to read the mail before that
[12:44] <jk> which is msg00378.html
[12:45] <dyn> jk: yup, i'll better read the whole thread
[12:45] <sertmann> UBMike, do you have your old XF86Config-4 from a previous Linux installation where higher res. worked?
[12:46] <sertmann> then you could just copy it and backup the old one....
[12:46] <sertmann> that should work...
[12:46] <dyn> jk: OT, but are you the one who was hanging around irc.gnome.org channels about 2 years ago? :)
[12:46] <UBMike> sertmann, well, that's a long story. It's on the dead disk :(
[12:46] <jk> dyn: nope that's not me :)
[12:47] <sertmann> UBMike: darn, eh? :/
[12:47] <MyKq3> krischan,  thanks man it solved me the problem  :))))
[12:47] <dyn> okay then
[12:47] <UBMike> sertmann, heh, check this: (II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1152x864" (width too large for virtual s
[12:47] <UBMike> ize
[12:48] <dyn> i was very interested in hacking gnome that time, and i slightly remember one of my mentors on glade2 hacking (when the project started)