[02:24] <ximal> I can move my mouse but now it's not clicking i should say..
[02:25] <ximal> bah
[02:25] <ximal> going to reboot
[02:25] <ximal> quit
[02:28] <advancedonsite> hi guys
[02:28] <advancedonsite> ive recently installed updates into my T61 ibm laptop for gutsy and now no sound is working but i do hear sound when i login just no music allowed i also noticed ESD ALSA and PULSE AUDIO is installed
[02:28] <sharperguy> is it just me or does the free flash player sound a bit to much like Ganesh?
[02:29] <advancedonsite> I read the topic to rebuild alsa from source and that went successful but still the resource is busy
[02:29] <advancedonsite> any ideas
[02:29] <`Matir> sharperguy, I believe the free flash player is Ganesh
[02:29] <`Matir> err, Gnash
[02:30] <sharperguy> Matir, yeah i know but it sound a lot like Ganesj (the hindu god with the Elephant head)
[02:30] <`Matir> ahhh
[02:30] <`Matir> lol
[02:30] <`Matir> sorry
[02:34] <cyrano> can anybody recommend me a good site with themes and stuff for Gnome, except gnomelook.org?
[02:38] <compwiz18> cyrano, try googling gnome art
[02:39] <IdleOne> !eyecandy | cyrano
[02:39] <ubotu> cyrano: Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[02:48] <vmlinuz`> is there realplayer for gutsy?
[02:50] <ximal> anyone mind telling me the storage spot for irssi ?
[02:51] <ximal> i can't find it and i wish to alter some of the files..
[02:51] <scizzo-> ximal: probably in your .irssi
[02:51] <scizzo-> ximal: folder that is
[02:52] <ximal> umm i meant to entire path i might find it under
[02:53] <ximal> scizzo : i dunno how to find it under folder view ... terminal is easy
[02:53] <scizzo-> aa....you are hidding hidden files?
[02:53] <ximal> unsure
[02:54] <ximal> i haven't gotten this far into buntu or linux yet ..
[02:54] <scizzo-> press Ctrl+H
[02:54] <ximal> new to the scene again..
[02:54] <scizzo-> or go to View-> Show hidden files
[02:55] <ximal> it's set to show hidden already.. hmm
[02:55] <scizzo-> well its in your homedir
[02:56] <ximal> like/home or /ximal ?
[02:56] <scizzo-> cd /home/ximal/
[02:56] <Pici> ximal: What kind of files do you want to modify?
[02:56] <scizzo-> and then cd .irssi
[02:56] <ximal> found it
[02:57] <ximal> thanks m8
[02:58] <scizzo-> np
[02:59] <ximal> i'm trying to find the connect dialog so i can edit the on-join for irssi to auto join this chan the off topic and basic buntu channel and send msg identify commands..
[02:59] <ximal> but the howt0 is not working for me.. the commands i used i mean.. i don't autojoin shiot..
[02:59] <scizzo-> ximal: www.irssi.org
[03:00] <ximal> i love standard responses..
[03:00] <ximal> go here... read....
[03:00] <ximal> lol
[03:01] <scizzo-> ximal: well......usually someone has done it before so.. :P
[03:01] <Pici> ximal: That should be in ~/.irssi/config
[03:02] <ximal> yeah
[03:02] <ximal> but i don't see any autocmdsend or anything
[03:02] <ximal> all the alterations i did aren't even there
[03:02] <Pici> What alterations did you make?
[03:04] <ximal> i did the howto thing..
[03:04] <ximal> going to go back and see what i can do..
[03:04] <ximal> maybe i didn'tg read it properly..
[03:05] <ximal> going to check it again.. and open a seperate irssi terminal
[03:05] <Pici> ximal: #irssi also excists, I've found it to be somewhat active.
[03:08] <Paddy_EIRE> Hey guys does the Gutsy Beta upgrade to the new release when its out
[03:09] <Pici> Paddy_EIRE: yes
[03:09] <Paddy_EIRE> Pici, nice one
[03:09] <Pici> !final | Paddy_EIRE
[03:09] <ubotu> Paddy_EIRE: If you installed a Tribe/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Gutsy. To make sure, type  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  in a console.
[03:13] <Paddy_EIRE> hey Pici I cant find a download link for gutsy beta
[03:13] <ximal> gotta love the people in an irssi channel who can't offer script and join command help
[03:13] <Paddy_EIRE> ximal, a lot of arragant a**holes in their
[03:13] <Seeker`> Paddy_EIRE: I think the beta isos have been withdrawn to make way for rc1, which is (meant to be) released today
[03:13] <Paddy_EIRE> ok
[03:14] <Paddy_EIRE> any ideas when
[03:14] <Seeker`> ximal: you having problems?
[03:14] <Seeker`> Paddy_EIRE: personally, no
[03:14] <bastid_raZor> cdimage.ubuntu.com has them still
[03:14] <ximal> yeah seeker
[03:14] <Seeker`> ximal: what problems?
[03:14] <ximal> i'm using irssi and trying to figure out some junk
[03:14] <ximal> like on connect .. how to auto boot my irc.freenode.net every time..
[03:15] <ximal> like when i hit irssi in terminal .. i want it to auto join freenode and buntu+1 buntu and buntuofftopic and identify me shortly after..
[03:15] <ximal> that's all i want..
[03:16] <Paddy_EIRE> bastid_raZor, there seems to be only dvd images available
[03:16] <Seeker`> ximal: http://irssi.org/documentation/startup#c3
[03:16] <CorpusCallosum> hi everyone i have a small problem
[03:16] <atlfalcons866> whats the default file system in gutsy
[03:16] <Tm_T> ext3 ?
[03:16] <ximal> trying that now Seeker : thanks m8..
[03:16] <Paddy_EIRE> Tm_T, I would assume ext3
[03:16] <Seeker`> CorpusCallosum: what is the problem?
[03:16] <CorpusCallosum> related to php mysql apache, normally i setup yesterday and worked fine
[03:17] <Tm_T> Paddy_EIRE: I know its ext3 =)
[03:17] <CorpusCallosum> but after the restarting my computer it didnt work
[03:17] <Pici> !beta | Paddy_EIRE
[03:17] <ubotu> Paddy_EIRE: Gutsy Gibbon (7.10) *BETA* information and release notes can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/gutsybeta - If you regularly update, then you're running the latest version - ISOs and Torrents at  http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/ - It is development software and as such unstable, support ONLY in #ubuntu+1
[03:17] <Paddy_EIRE> Tm_T, ext4 is still marked dev
[03:17] <bastid_raZor> Paddy_EIRE: that is all i see too.. guess the cdimages are gone :\
[03:17] <CorpusCallosum> sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart i wrote that command bot didnt fix
[03:17] <Seeker`> CorpusCallosum: define "didn't work"?
[03:17] <atlfalcons866> why not jfs
[03:17] <Hobbsee> bastid_raZor: Paddy_EIRE what are you looking for?
[03:17] <Paddy_EIRE> atlfalcons866, why jfs ;)
[03:17] <Hobbsee> Paddy_EIRE: help test rc1 for us, please.
[03:17] <Paddy_EIRE> Hobbsee, cd image of the ubuntu beta
[03:17] <bastid_raZor> Paddy_EIRE: but then again i have the cd version of the iso already.
[03:17] <CorpusCallosum> Seeker`: didnt work means cant see the page on my localhost
[03:17] <atlfalcons866> jfs has dynamic inode allocation and its journaling is faster than ext3
[03:18] <Hobbsee> Paddy_EIRE: https://iso.qa.stgraber.org/
[03:18] <Paddy_EIRE> atlfalcons866, if they dont use it then there would be a good reason why
[03:18] <Seeker`> CorpusCallosum: any error messages when trying to access it? what about when you tried to restart the server?
[03:18] <bastid_raZor> Hobbsee: my gutsy upgrade is yet to work correctly.. tzdata issues .. apt-get seems to hate me now
[03:18] <Pici> Is RC1 out?
[03:18] <Hobbsee> Pici: no.  note the testing page.
[03:18] <CorpusCallosum> Seeker`: 403 Forbidden
[03:19] <Pici> Hobbsee: Okay I just wanted to double check :)
[03:19] <Hobbsee> Pici: but, if those are good, they will be the RC
[03:19] <atlfalcons866> is ext4 in gutsy
[03:19] <Seeker`> CorpusCallosum: that probably means that the permissions in your web directory are wrong
[03:19] <Hobbsee> (i think that they are, so they should end up being the RC)
[03:19] <Seeker`> CorpusCallosum: or at least, thats the first thing I would check
[03:19] <Blinny> Why would Gutsy not like my 3c905b card after first boot? I'm already trying acpi=off noapic nolapic -- lspci shows the device and lsmod shows the modules, but no love.
[03:19] <Paddy_EIRE> Hobbsee, what is this all about https://iso.qa.stgraber.org/qatracker/test/1025 should I go for the live session.. and is it installable as before
[03:19] <CorpusCallosum> but yesterday it worked interesting Seeker`
[03:19] <Pici> Hobbsee: I just wanted to know if we needed to change/add the factoids for it :)
[03:20] <Seeker`> CorpusCallosum: *shrugs* no idea why it would change
[03:20] <Hobbsee> Pici: not yet
[03:20] <Hobbsee> Paddy_EIRE: live session test is basically "does it run in the session part, and does it have any bugs?"
[03:21] <Hobbsee> i think there's info linked form there on what the tests are
[03:21] <Bereanone> Help a noobie with total system lockup/crash  Gutsy
[03:21] <Poromenos> How do I enable the ssh server in gutsy?
[03:22] <Seeker`> Poromenos: sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[03:22] <Poromenos> Seeker`: do i need to enable other repositories?
[03:22] <Stevethepirate> hi. installed gutsy, but on startup, get a "ubuntu cannot detect graphics card and screen" so its in low graphics mode...
[03:22] <Seeker`> Poromenos: not that I am aware of
[03:22] <Blinny> Poromenos: I've used 'update-rc.d' to add daemons at different runlevels
[03:22] <Poromenos> Seeker`: ah, thanks
[03:23] <bastid_raZor> dpkg: error processing tzdata (--configure):
[03:23] <bastid_raZor>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10.. how might i fix that?
[03:23] <Seeker`> Poromenos: its in gutsy main
[03:23] <Poromenos> Seeker`: odd, i just searched for ssh and it only has openssh-client
[03:24] <Seeker`> cjo20@cdesk:~$ apt-cache search openssh-server
[03:24] <Seeker`> openssh-server - secure shell server, an rshd replacement
[03:24] <CorpusCallosum> Seeker`: what should i do for the permissions
[03:24] <Seeker`> CorpusCallosum: I can't remember specifically, its been a while since I had to play with that sort of thing
[03:24] <Poromenos> Seeker`: odd
[03:24] <CorpusCallosum> i seeee
[03:24] <Seeker`> CorpusCallosum: what aer the permissions on the files atm? and who are they owned by / what group?
[03:26] <Seeker`> Bereanone: ask in here
[03:27] <bastid_raZor> come on bug report fixer people and fix my bug
[03:28] <savvas> Poromenos: http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/net/openssh-server
[03:28] <Poromenos> savvas: ah, thanks
[03:28] <avatar_> sudo apt-get install ssh
[03:28] <avatar_> that will give you ssh-server
[03:28] <Stevethepirate> sudo apt-get install openssh-server is better :p
[03:29] <savvas> Poromenos: which repos are you using? gr.archive.ubuntu.com ?
[03:29] <Poromenos> savvas: probably, it set them automatically
[03:29] <Pici> Stevethepirate: I believe they point to the same packages.
[03:29] <hit> i just don't get it, compiz' cube spins as it should, but everything else hangs like hell
[03:29] <Bereanone> Seeker: running wine or even trying to configure it locks the cursor on my desktop and it is over...
[03:30] <savvas> Poromenos: apt-cache policy ssh
[03:30] <avatar_> Stevethepirate: thats 11 characters more typing!
[03:30] <Poromenos> savvas: i can't check the machine right now, it's being used
[03:30] <Poromenos> i'll wait and get back to you
[03:30] <Seeker`> Bereanone: I haven't had any experience with wine
[03:30] <savvas> Poromenos: ah ok, the ssh avatar_ mentioned should work: sudo apt-get install ssh
[03:30] <Poromenos> savvas: i think i tried that :/
[03:30] <Poromenos> i'll do it again to make sure
[03:31] <Bereanone> Seeker: any experience getting a second partition on a usb drive to become owned and read/writeable?
[03:31] <Seeker`> Bereanone: not a USB drive, no - it should be automatic
[03:32] <Blinny> So I've tried three network card from two manufacturers in two PCI slots - all of them are found, modules loaded, and then nada. -- I'm just trying to confirm this is a bug and not some apic problem before I file.
[03:32] <bastid_raZor> not that is funny, i got brave and apt-get remove tzdata .. and i get the response you are about to do something very harmful to your computer. if you wish to continue type : Yes, Do as i say!
[03:32] <bastid_raZor> not == now
[03:32] <Blinny> (though I assume if gutsy didn't load network cards more people than I would be experiencing it ;)
[03:32] <savvas> Poromenos: ok, and try "sudo apt-get update" before it ;)
[03:33] <Pici> adaniels: Have you installed compizconfig-settings-manager?
[03:33] <adaniels> Pici: I'm here
[03:33] <Poromenos> savvas: ah, i didn't try that :p
[03:33] <adaniels> pici: no, aha :)
[03:33] <savvas> :p
[03:34] <`Matir> Blinny, can you put output from lspci and dmesg into a pastebin?
[03:34] <Blinny> `Matir: Absolutely. Thank you.
[03:35] <`Matir> Blinny, no problem... I'll take a look and see if I can find known bugs/causes... no guarantees though, lol
[03:35] <ximal> hmm
[03:35] <ximal> back
[03:35] <adaniels> pici: k thanks, missed that one
[03:35] <Blinny> `Matir: though as I'm not net'd on this box, it's gonna be a lot of typing. I can tell you that lspci |grep -i net shows the card
[03:35] <Seeker`> ximal: any luck?
[03:35] <`Matir> ah, valid point about not being on net... never mind then
[03:36] <Blinny> (;
[03:36] <`Matir> Blinny, what behavior precisely occurs?  Can NetworkManager see the card?  See a link?  Just not get an IP?
[03:36] <`Matir> Blinny, also, are we talking wired or wireless?
[03:36] <ximal> nothing yet seeker
[03:36] <Blinny> I'm testing gutsy server for its LTSP5 implementation, so I'm console-only. These are all wired cards.
[03:36] <bushwakko> NetworkManager just quit when I tried to connect to a network that uses username and pass and a 80211x certificate
[03:36] <Seeker`> ximal: did you follow those instructions?
[03:37] <`Matir> Blinny, ok, fair enough.  Does mii-tool show a link?
[03:37] <Blinny> `Matir: no MII interfaces found
[03:37] <Blinny> ifconfig -a shows the correct MAC
[03:37] <Blinny> ifconfig shows only lo
[03:38] <walrus_RUS> ppl, I see noticeable performance degradation when I watch video and compiz is on. Every 10..20 seconds computer holds on 3..5 seconds. Top shows that process compiz.real eat 100 % CPU time. When I return to 'nv' driver the problem disappearred.
[03:38] <`Matir> Blinny, mii-tool as root?
[03:38] <ximal> not yet..
[03:38] <Blinny> `Matir: I'm sorry - not used to sudo. Yes, eth3: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok
[03:38] <Blinny> `Matir: Apologies.
[03:39] <ximal> hm
[03:39] <ximal> afk
[03:39] <Poromenos> savvas: yep, it needed an update, thanks :)
[03:39] <Stevethepirate> Can anyone help me with fixing X in gutsy?
[03:40] <Stevethepirate> X doens't start properly
[03:40] <savvas> Poromenos: n/p ;)
[03:40] <Stevethepirate> then looks like changing resolutions
[03:40] <Stevethepirate> then drops me to Low Graaphics Mode
[03:40] <Stevethepirate> *-a
[03:40] <Stevethepirate> I've dpkg-reconfigure'd xorg
[03:40] <Stevethepirate> to no avail
[03:40] <savvas> Stevethepirate: graphics card?
[03:41] <Stevethepirate> nv 7600gt
[03:41] <Blinny> `Matir: One thing of note - the card is assigned eth0 for some reason.. /etc/network/interfaces is set up for eth0 - I'm changing /etc/network/interfaces to reflect eth3 and rebooting now.
[03:41] <Blinny> wait
[03:41] <Blinny> :s;assigned eth0;assigned eth3
[03:42] <savvas> Stevethepirate: uname -r && apt-cache policy linux-restricted-modules linux-image
[03:42] <savvas> !paste | Stevethepirate
[03:42] <ubotu> Stevethepirate: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:42] <Blinny> `Matir: That was it.
[03:42] <`Matir> Blinny, probably because the others were assigned eth[012] ...
[03:42] <Blinny> `Matir: But they're not physically in the box.
[03:42] <Stevethepirate> savvas: i'd love to...
[03:42] <Stevethepirate> but i'm on irssi
[03:43] <Stevethepirate> can't copy paste if i wanted to :(
[03:43] <`Matir> Blinny, when each new interface is detected it is added to /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules.  This helps maintain naming for systems with many interfaces over reboot, kernel upgrades, etc.
[03:43] <Stevethepirate> 2.6.22-14-generic
[03:43] <Seeker`> Stevethepirate: why not?
[03:43] <savvas> Stevethepirate: ok then write down that command and just tell me the versions that apt-cache returns and the uname -r
[03:44] <remoford> anyone know what the deal is on bluetooth pairing in gutsy? it opens a tooltip that immediatly closes and the old tools are gone
[03:44] <Blinny> `Matir: I guess.. but it still only gets me to eth2 and not 3 if we're starting at 0
[03:44] <Blinny> `Matir: Let me check out that file. Thank you.
[03:44] <`Matir> Blinny, np.  Not sure where the extra one came from.
[03:44] <Stevethepirate> linux-restricted-modules:
[03:44] <Stevethepirate> Installed : None
[03:44] <klaxian> does anyone have a problem where evolution (or gtkhtml) is html encoding URLs (ie. & becomes &)?  then the urls don't work when clicked
[03:45] <Stevethepirate> Candidate: <IP_ADDRESS>.20
[03:45] <Stevethepirate> Version Table:
[03:45] <Stevethepirate> <IP_ADDRESS>.20 0
[03:45] <Blinny> `Matir: in 70-persistent-net.rules eth0 has five entries, all mostly blank.  Interesting. Thank you very much~
[03:45] <Stevethepirate> 500 http:
[03:45] <Stevethepirate> sh*t
[03:45] <Zapt> hi
[03:45] <Stevethepirate> 500 http://ftp.leg.uct.ac.za gutsy/restricted Packages
[03:46] <`Matir> Blinny, np.  If you want your device to change back, it should be safe to delete all the entries in that file and restart and get eth0 back.
[03:46] <Stevethepirate> linux-image
[03:46] <Stevethepirate> Installed (none)
[03:46] <Zapt> when can I download the release candidate? It is supposed to be downloadable by today
[03:46] <Stevethepirate> rest is the same
[03:46] <Blinny> `Matir: Right on. Thank you - Is this #ubuntu-specific , or new udev specific?
[03:46] <Stevethepirate> savvas: ./ping>!!
[03:47] <`Matir> Blinny, it's not just ubuntu, some other distros are doing it as well, but it's not part of core udev either.  IOW, it's added by distros but being adopted by several.  It's nice for e.g., multi-homed systems or systems that use pcmcia or usb devices often.
[03:47] <savvas> Stevethepirate: ok try this: sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-restricted-modules-generic nvidia-glx-new
[03:48] <Blinny> `Matir: Sure. I can see the usefulness. 'Course, not so much for a static server box.. I think I need to refine my google search words, as I didn't find much about this.
[03:48] <Zapt>  when can I download the release candidate? It is supposed to be downloadable by today
[03:49] <Stevethepirate> savvas: okay.. done
[03:49] <Stevethepirate> now?
[03:49] <savvas> Stevethepirate: now sudo nvidia-xconfig
[03:49] <`Matir> Blinny, searching for "udev persistent net" gives some decent results, e.g., http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/502
[03:49] <Stevethepirate> okay
[03:49] <Stevethepirate> ...
[03:50] <savvas> Stevethepirate: you have gnome? sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[03:50] <Blinny> `Matir: heh - if only I'd known and not been searching for 3c905, noapic, nolapic and gutsy (;
[03:50] <Blinny> `Matir: Either way. Thanks a bundle.
[03:50] <`Matir> Blinny, no problem.
[03:51] <Stevethepirate> savvas: same error
[03:51] <ximal> ahh
[03:51] <ximal> brb
[03:51] <savvas> Stevethepirate: what does the error say?
[03:52] <Stevethepirate> well
[03:52] <Stevethepirate> it says 'x already running on :0'
[03:52] <Stevethepirate> or something to that effect
[03:52] <Stevethepirate> so i say, okay, open on new :x
[03:52] <hit> anyone has any idea why my compiz runs smooth but i.e moving a window freezes? :s
[03:52] <Stevethepirate> does that
[03:52] <Stevethepirate> then it drops back to Low Graphics mode
[03:52] <savvas> Stevethepirate: let me guess, you have installed a driver from nvidia.com directly?
[03:52] <Stevethepirate> no
[03:52] <Stevethepirate> nvidia-glx
[03:53] <Stevethepirate> that was on feisty
[03:53] <Stevethepirate> moving to gutsy though...
[03:53] <savvas> Stevethepirate: do this: sudo nvidia-installer --help
[03:53] <savvas> does it say command not found?
[03:53] <Stevethepirate> command not found
[03:53] <bastid_raZor> i'm getting somewhere.. reinstalled tzdata and now kernel problems :)
[03:53] <savvas> Stevethepirate: sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-new
[03:54] <Stevethepirate> okay
[03:54] <savvas> Stevethepirate: hold a sec
[03:54] <Stevethepirate> kk
[03:55] <bastid_raZor> locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
[03:55] <seppe> hi, is it safe to install the latest daily build now?
[03:55] <MikeDX> its never safe
[03:55] <savvas> Stevethepirate: ps -e | grep -i "xorg\|dm"
[03:55] <seppe> I'm going on holiday before the final release, but I want Gutsy now :)
[03:55] <MikeDX> get it now, then just do update when you get back :)
[03:55] <seppe> ok :)
[03:56] <savvas> seppe: what if it breaks everything and you don't have time to fix it before holiday?
[03:56] <Stevethepirate> 7744 tty9 00:00:00 Xorg
[03:56] <savvas> Stevethepirate: killall -9 Xorg
[03:56] <savvas> Stevethepirate: killall -9 gdm
[03:56] <Stevethepirate> 8213 tty10 00:00:00:00 Xrg
[03:56] <seppe> other question: I have an ati 9600 card .. when I install, will it use XGL + fglrx + Compiz Fusion?  Compiz + XGL + fglrx? Or Compiz + AIGLX + ati?
[03:58] <Stevethepirate> did again
[03:58] <Stevethepirate> 5 times
[03:58] <savvas> Stevethepirate: after all this?
[03:58] <Stevethepirate> huhs?
[03:58] <savvas> Stevethepirate: do it now
[03:58] <Stevethepirate> i did
[03:58] <Stevethepirate> again
[03:58] <Stevethepirate> again
[03:58] <savvas> Stevethepirate: you're not using /exec for these are you?
[03:58] <nanonyme> savvas, why nv instead of nvidia?
[03:59] <Stevethepirate> huh?
[03:59] <Stevethepirate> I don't think so.
[03:59] <bastid_raZor> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = (unset),        LC_ALL = (unset),        LANG = "en_US.UTF-8"    are supported and installed on your system. how do i do this?
[03:59] <nanonyme> 16:57 < *savvas> Stevethepirate: choose "nv" as the graphics driver
[03:59] <nanonyme> nv is the obsolete nvidia driver :)
[03:59] <Stevethepirate> nanonyme: yeah.. but the dpkg wizard does not pop up
[03:59] <bastid_raZor> would that be as simple as to go to date and time in system menu?
[04:00] <savvas> nanonyme: because I want to see if Xorg can actually start
[04:00] <nanonyme> savvas, then i'd recommend vesa
[04:00] <savvas> nanonyme: nv works for most nvidia :p
[04:00] <nanonyme> nv has had problems
[04:01] <Stevethepirate> well
[04:01] <savvas> nanonyme: would you like to take over? :)
[04:01] <Stevethepirate> either way\
[04:01] <Stevethepirate> a working X would be imba :P
[04:01] <bastid_raZor> imba?
[04:01] <Pici> vesa should work for everything.
[04:01] <Stevethepirate> um.. imbalanced.. like 'really good'
[04:01] <nanonyme> indeed
[04:01] <seppe> anyone know what combo it will use on my ATI card? Compiz + XGL + fglrx? Or Compiz + AIGLX + ati?
[04:02] <Stevethepirate> DoTA acronym :P
[04:02] <Stevethepirate> nanonyme: SOS please..
[04:02] <savvas> Stevethepirate: do you know how to use nano ?
[04:02] <Stevethepirate> yeah.. obv
[04:02] <nanonyme> Stevethepirate, change display driver in xorg.conf to vesa and try startx
[04:02] <savvas> Stevethepirate: great, sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:03] <Stevethepirate> kk
[04:03] <savvas> change the line with Driver "nvidia" to "vesa"
[04:03] <Stevethepirate> in
[04:03] <savvas> Driver "vesa" that is
[04:04] <Stevethepirate> okay
[04:04] <Stevethepirate> sweet.
[04:04] <Stevethepirate> X is running
[04:04] <Stevethepirate> now, must i use built in restricted driver wizard to fix?
[04:04] <savvas> Stevethepirate: reboot the computer before trying that
[04:04] <Stevethepirate> kk
[04:05] <Stevethepirate> savvas: okay.. brb.. [screen ftw]
[04:05] <Blinny> Thanks `Matir - Going to check out LTSP5. Cheers, all.
[04:07] <savvas> screen?
[04:08] <DexterF> hi
[04:08] <savvas> I wonder what he meant by that.. I told him to reboot yet he's still here :P
[04:09] <DexterF> wifi question: feisty had the r8187 module backported to its 2.6.20. I needed a 2.6.22 kernel but didn't want to go gutsy, so I backported it. now I found that there's no r8187 module in the src. can someone confirm?
[04:09] <bastid_raZor> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-14-386  /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs: line 13: getopt: command not found
[04:10] <bastid_raZor> does that mean i should apt-get install getopt?
[04:10] <stefg> !find getopt
[04:10] <ubotu> Found: gengetopt, cl-getopt, libgetopt++-dev, libgetopt++1, libgetopt-argvfile-perl (and 5 others)
[04:10] <savvas> bastid_raZor: ubuntu desktop or server?
[04:10] <bastid_raZor> desktop
[04:10] <savvas> bastid_raZor: try this: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[04:11] <bastid_raZor> i've fixed my tzdata issues and now i'm here..
[04:11] <bastid_raZor> ok.
[04:11] <Stevethepirate> okat
[04:11] <Stevethepirate> *okay
[04:11] <Stevethepirate> restarted
[04:11] <bastid_raZor> same errors.
[04:11] <Stevethepirate> my x loads..
[04:11] <savvas> Stevethepirate: not restart, reboot the computer, how come you're still there? :p
[04:12] <Stevethepirate> i'm on a screened session to a server with irssi
[04:12] <savvas> aaaah
[04:12] <Stevethepirate> just reattached screen
[04:12] <Stevethepirate> okay
[04:12] <Stevethepirate> its like okay
[04:12] <savvas> lovely :)
[04:12] <savvas> Stevethepirate: ok try the restricted drivers manager
[04:12] <Stevethepirate> but its as if my monitor is only showing the
[04:12] <savvas> bastid_raZor: sudo apt-get -f install
[04:12] <Stevethepirate> top left 60% of the actual desktop
[04:13] <Stevethepirate> its like... the resolution is wrong or somthing
[04:13] <savvas> Stevethepirate: welcome to the vista drivers :p
[04:13] <savvas> *vesa
[04:13] <Stevethepirate> sighs
[04:13] <Stevethepirate> can i not go back to the nvidia drivers now?
[04:13] <Stevethepirate> i installed the restricted drivrs
[04:13] <bastid_raZor> savvas: same errors  :\ i'm pondering to --remove the linux-images and reinstall or try --reinstall
[04:13] <Stevethepirate> well
[04:13] <Stevethepirate> wait
[04:13] <Stevethepirate> rebooted
[04:13] <Stevethepirate> installed restricted drivers
[04:13] <Stevethepirate> rebooted
[04:14] <Stevethepirate> and here i am
[04:14] <Stevethepirate> okay
[04:14] <remoford> has anyone gotten gutsy to pain with a bluetooth device?
[04:14] <xMoth> hello
[04:14] <Stevethepirate> so, now where to do?
[04:14] <Stevethepirate> to fix this?
[04:14] <remoford> s/pain/pair
[04:14] <xMoth> Does anybody know when today the RC from Gutsy Gibbon will be released?
[04:14] <savvas> Stevethepirate: glxinfo | grep -i "direct"
[04:14] <savvas> Stevethepirate: returns yes or no?
[04:14] <Pici> xMoth: The ISOs are being tested right now iirc.
[04:14] <bastid_raZor> remoford: with fiesty i couldn't get a pair either.. but i've never actually needed it to pair to transfer back and forth
[04:14] <Stevethepirate> direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)
[04:15] <remoford> bastid_raZor: i got it to work in fiesty just fine
[04:15] <tolonuga> hi. I found a non-working package in gutsy and fixed it (trivial) and added the patch with that fix and debian/changelog change to the bug. the package is "openct" and the bug is 125054. the fix has been tested well and works fine, and is as small as possible while still stable. also I'm upstream maintainer of that package :) what else can I do to get a fixed package into ubuntu gutsy before release?
[04:15] <remoford> when i try to pair the dialog *immeiatly* closes
[04:15] <savvas> bastid_raZor: type getopt in the console
[04:15] <bastid_raZor> remoford: did it ask you for a passcode?
[04:15] <remoford> before i can even click onit
[04:15] <remoford> its trying to
[04:15] <remoford> but closes
[04:15] <Pici> bug 125054
[04:15] <savvas> bastid_raZor: it should tell you what to install
[04:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 125054 in openct "openct broken by ubuntu udev setup" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125054
[04:15] <remoford> its up less than a second
[04:15] <bastid_raZor> savvas: command not found.
[04:15] <savvas> bastid_raZor: uname -r
[04:15] <remoford> ive been trying to just be uber fast but it aint happening
[04:16] <bastid_raZor> savvas: 2.6.22-14-386
[04:16] <Stevethepirate> savvas: ...
[04:16] <stefg> tolonuga: talk to the release manager for about a freeze exception
[04:17] <savvas> Stevethepirate: do this: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep -i "driver.*nv"
[04:17] <tolonuga> stefg: ok. but the latest version of the patch doesn't need the new version, it works with the current gutsy package. do I still need release manager approval?
[04:18] <Stevethepirate> \        Driver          "nvidia"
[04:18] <stefg> tolonuga: afaik freeze means *freeze*, except the release manager approves something different
[04:18] <savvas> bastid_raZor: try this: sudo apt-get install gengetopt
[04:19] <savvas> Stevethepirate: ps -e | grep -i "xorg\|dm"
[04:19] <tolonuga> ok, thanks
[04:19] <bastid_raZor> savvas: installed
[04:19] <xMoth> How long will it take to upload the ISO's to the server?
[04:19] <savvas> bastid_raZor: type getopt now
[04:19] <savvas> bastid_raZor: type getopt
[04:19] <savvas> :P
[04:19] <Stevethepirate>  5028 ?        00:00:00 gdm
[04:19] <Stevethepirate>  5039 ?        00:00:00 gdm
[04:19] <Stevethepirate>  5185 tty7     00:00:01 Xorg
[04:19] <bastid_raZor> savvas: still command not found.
[04:20] <bastid_raZor> savvas: everytime i use apt-get it finished up with said errors.
[04:21] <bastid_raZor> savvas: would a --reinstall or remove then install be wise?
[04:21] <PirateHead> Is the RC out yet?
[04:21] <savvas> Stevethepirate: you said you rebooted the computer after installing the drivers right?
[04:21] <savvas> PirateHead: http://releases.ubuntu.com
[04:21] <Stevethepirate> Yeah
[04:21] <Stevethepirate> Its okay
[04:21] <savvas> PirateHead: if it's not there, then no
[04:21] <Stevethepirate> just the wrong resolution
[04:22] <Stevethepirate> like
[04:22] <savvas> Stevethepirate: try system > administration > screens and graphics
[04:22] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: add the resolution you want in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:22] <PirateHead> savvas: it says release candidate, but the link points to nothing, so I came here to ask. Jeez.
[04:22] <savvas> PirateHead: so it's not out yet.
[04:23] <PirateHead> savvas: Is it expected some time today, or has it been canceled?
[04:23] <savvas> PirateHead: there's some text below the nothing you say :p
[04:23] <gambitlx> hey does anyone know how I can add a custom screen resolution in gusty?
[04:23] <bastid_raZor> PirateHead: i heard someone talking about it earlier.. and as of an hour ago it was not out
[04:23] <savvas> PirateHead: no idea, we'll find out in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule if there's been any change
[04:23] <Stevethepirate> bastid_raZor:  well
[04:24] <Stevethepirate> most of the sections have all the res's
[04:24] <PirateHead> mmkay, thanks for the info guys. :-)
[04:24] <Pici> PirateHead: I believe candidate isos are being tested
[04:24] <savvas> Stevethepirate: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep -i "modes"
[04:24] <PirateHead> I'm hoping it boots up on my machine this time. *fingers crossed*
[04:25] <bastid_raZor>  Modes   "1280x1024"     "1024x768" ... in your xorg.conf .... yours will probably include 800x640 just add the one you want
[04:25] <Stevethepirate> 1280x1024@75"   "1024x768@75"   "1280x960@60"   "832x624@75"    "1280x1024@60" "800x600@60"     "1280x960@75"   "800x600@75"    "1400x1050@60"  "800x600@72"   "1400x1050@75"   "800x600@56"    "1600x1200@65"  "640x480@75"    "1600x1200@60" "640x480@72"     "640x480@60"
[04:25] <Stevethepirate>  Modes           "640x480@60"    640x480@72"    "640x480@75"   "800x600@56"     "800x600@72"    "800x600@75"    "800x600@60"    "8302x624@75"   "1024x768@75"    "1024x768@70"   "1024x768@60"   "1152x864@75"   "1280x1024@75" "1280x960@60"    "1280x1024@60"  "1280x960@75"   "1400x1050@60"  "1400x1050@75" "1600x1200@65"   "1600x1200@60"
[04:25] <Stevethepirate> oops
[04:25] <gambitlx> ill have a look
[04:25] <Pici> !paste
[04:25] <Stevethepirate> lols
[04:25] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:25] <Pici> ack1
[04:25] <savvas> Stevethepirate: I think they're put in reverse.. the highest resolution should be first
[04:26] <bastid_raZor> savvas: Stevethepirate yes, they are reversed in xorg.conf
[04:26] <Stevethepirate> sighs
[04:26] <bastid_raZor> or they should be added in reverse
[04:26] <Stevethepirate> so how to fix?
[04:26] <Stevethepirate> rewrite them all?
[04:26] <mc44> Pici: syn1
[04:26] <Pici> mc44: :p
[04:26] <savvas> Stevethepirate: gksu gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:27] <Stevethepirate> kk
[04:27] <savvas> Stevethepirate: yeah, put the highest you want to try first, I have only four in my modes
[04:27] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: don't rewrite. just add the one you want without the @75 on the end
[04:27] <Stevethepirate> which section?
[04:27] <savvas> Stevethepirate: example:                 Modes           "1280x1024"     "1152x864"      "1024x768"     "832x624"        "800x600"       "720x400"       "640x480"
[04:27] <Stevethepirate> Monitor?
[04:27] <bastid_raZor> under modes. probably near the bottom
[04:28] <savvas> Stevethepirate: section screen
[04:28] <bastid_raZor> 832x624? that is a crazy resolution
[04:28] <savvas> well.. tell that to samsung :P
[04:28] <savvas> bastid_raZor: they're autodetected :P
[04:28] <Stevethepirate> okay
[04:28] <Stevethepirate> in screen
[04:28] <savvas> bastid_raZor: how's getopt going?
[04:28] <Stevethepirate> Modes		"640x480@60"	"640x480@72"	"640x480@75"	"800x600@56"	"800x600@72"	"800x600@75"	"800x600@60"	"832x624@75"	"1024x768@75"	"1024x768@70"	"1024x768@60"	"1152x864@75"	"1280x1024@75"	"1280x960@60"	"1280x1024@60"	"1280x960@75"	"1400x1050@60"	"1400x1050@75"	"1600x1200@65"	"1600x1200@60" EndSubSection
[04:29] <bastid_raZor> savvas: command not found :(
[04:29] <Stevethepirate> theres my modes
[04:29] <savvas> bastid_raZor: ok try this: sudo apt-get install opt cl-getopt
[04:29] <Stevethepirate> what modes to add?
[04:29] <Stevethepirate> and, in the beginning or end?
[04:30] <bastid_raZor> installing
[04:30] <bastid_raZor> done
[04:30] <Stevethepirate> sa
[04:30] <Stevethepirate> * savvas ..
[04:30] <savvas> Stevethepirate: delete all the modes and put these: "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[04:31] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: yeah, those are the most common and normal resolutions.
[04:31] <Stevethepirate> yeah
[04:31] <Stevethepirate> oka
[04:31] <Stevethepirate> done
[04:31] <Stevethepirate> now?
[04:31] <Stevethepirate> restart gdm?
[04:31] <bastid_raZor> restart X
[04:31] <savvas> bastid_raZor: i've no idea which one it was, i think opt has the getopt, but I told you to install them all and try out, glad it worked out :P
[04:31] <Stevethepirate> Ctrl-Backspace ftw
[04:31] <Stevethepirate> oka
[04:31] <Stevethepirate> bbias
[04:31] <Stevethepirate> fudge
[04:31] <bastid_raZor> savvas: oh, heh i still have that error.. i was saying done as in install done.. :)
[04:32] <savvas> grr...
[04:32] <bastid_raZor> savvas: heh, you're doing a great job at helping though ..
[04:33] <bastid_raZor> even after opt is 'set up' i get command not found for getop: :*(
[04:33] <savvas> bastid_raZor: wanna try the -generic?
[04:34] <savvas> wait.. was it getop or getopt?
[04:34] <bastid_raZor>  /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs: line 13: getopt: command not found
[04:34] <bastid_raZor> if gutsy is ok with generic.. so am i
[04:35] <bushwakko> I don't get access to taxonomy stuff when I'm anonymous, even though I've turned stuff on in permissions!
[04:36] <savvas> bastid_raZor: hold a sec
[04:38] <remoford> bastid_raZor: any idea what the bluez-pin thing is called now?
[04:38] <bastid_raZor> savvas: from what i can tell .. i'm already using that image.
[04:38] <bastid_raZor> as i recall grub had it listed and i'm currently booted to that kernel
[04:39] <savvas> bastid_raZor: sudo apt-get install util-linux
[04:40] <bastid_raZor> savvas: you may be on to something here...
[04:40] <savvas> I hope that's the package
[04:40] <savvas> https://www.linux-foundation.org/dbadmin/browse/cmd_single.php?cmd=list-by-name&Cname=getopt
[04:40] <bastid_raZor> sweet~! mother of pearl!! you sir have fixed my issues
[04:41] <bastid_raZor> savvas: you,sir, are awesome..
[04:41] <savvas> bastid_raZor: great, now i suggest you move to linux-generic :P
[04:41] <savvas> sudo apt-get install linux-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic
[04:41] <bastid_raZor> heh, really? savvas  you think generic is less buggy/better?
[04:41] <savvas> I think it's more supported
[04:41] <savvas> unless you're using an old machine
[04:42] <bastid_raZor> i'm all about support.. should i reboot as it requires first or install first?
[04:42] <bastid_raZor> i have a decent box. worthy of abusing with demanding features
[04:42] <savvas> um install the -generic first, then you should change your kernel by pressing ESC during boot and select the -generic one
[04:42] <bastid_raZor> ok.
[04:43] <savvas> then you can easily remove the -386 by searching with synaptic
[04:43] <bastid_raZor> it tells me -generic is already the newest version
[04:43] <bastid_raZor> possibly i have it and am not selecting it in grub.
[04:44] <bastid_raZor> off to grub land i go~!
[04:44] <savvas> well then, just change your kernel and search in synaptic for 2.6.22-14-386 and right-click on the packages mark with green -> completely remove :)
[04:45] <bastid_raZor> ok, why would you say -generic is supported better? you see lots of issues with people running -386?
[04:45] <savvas> don't forget to sudo update-grub !  :P
[04:50] <Stevethepirate> no f**king clue
[04:50] <bastid_raZor> vmlinuz`: vlc should play them.. i could be wrong
[04:50] <Stevethepirate> it does
[04:50] <Stevethepirate> vlc plays *
[04:50] <savvas> bastid_raZor: better leave the other two then, you never know what might happen
[04:50] <vmlinuz`> does it have when i go to youtube and click save video?
[04:51] <Stevethepirate> that will be a flv
[04:51] <vmlinuz`> flv?
[04:51] <Stevethepirate> get a youtube video downloader
[04:51] <bastid_raZor> vmlinuz`: if you're saving the video you won't be watching your porn in your browser.. you'll be opening it in VLC
[04:51] <Stevethepirate> and it  should save youtubes as flvs
[04:51] <vmlinuz`> bastid_raZor: ahhaha not porn dude
[04:51] <Stevethepirate> savvas: ....
[04:51] <bastid_raZor> heh
[04:51] <Stevethepirate> vmlinuz`: lies
[04:51] <Stevethepirate> :P
[04:52] <vmlinuz`> Stevethepirate: ok whats the youtube video downloader called.. "flv" ?
[04:52] <hit> can anyone help me a bit with ati drivers?
[04:52] <bazhang> miro will play them as well.
[04:52] <savvas> Stevethepirate: dumb question, but have you checked your monitor configuration?
[04:52] <Stevethepirate> savvas: huhs?
[04:52] <Stevethepirate> want me to pastebin my xorg.conf?
[04:53] <Stevethepirate> vmlinuz`: heard of this thing called google?
[04:53] <Stevethepirate> second result
[04:53] <Stevethepirate> of "youtube downloader"
[04:53] <Stevethepirate> http://video.qooqle.jp/dl/
[04:53] <savvas> Stevethepirate: does your monitor have degauss?
[04:54] <vmlinuz`> sorry, now on maintenance
[04:54] <Stevethepirate> savvas: LCD
[04:54] <LiMaO> i wonder what people used to answer a few years ago, when google was inexistant.. poor newbies..
[04:54] <Stevethepirate> LiMaO: yahoo it :p
[04:54] <savvas> argh
[04:54] <LiMaO> probably people would answer 'hey, have you heard of altavista, yahoo, or something else'
[04:54] <Stevethepirate> http://www.pastebin.co.za/352 @ savvas
[04:54] <LiMaO> Stevethepirate: dang heh
[04:54] <bintut> is xen-3.1.1 be included in gutsy?
[04:55] <savvas> modeline ?
[04:55] <Pici> bintut: Whats the package name?
[04:55] <LiMaO> savvas: does that degauss thing still exist? hehe long time since i last used a crt monitor
[04:55] <bintut> Pici: xen
[04:55] <bintut> Pici: http://xen.xensource.com/
[04:55] <Stevethepirate> LiMaO: yeah.. only way to stop kids screwing monitors up with magnets
[04:56] <savvas> Stevethepirate: were you tinkering with the xorg.conf during feisty? adding resolutions etc?
[04:56] <addos> is the release candidate coming out today?
[04:56] <Stevethepirate> savvas: naught
[04:56] <mc44> addos: probably
[04:56] <addos> cool
[04:56] <addos> I want to run the tests on it
[04:56] <addos> so it can be polished for final release
[04:57] <bastid_raZor> i will reboot this crazy electronic death trap~!
[04:57] <bastid_raZor> savvas: thanks.
[04:57] <mc44> addos: not many changes happen after the release candidate. thats kinda the point
[04:57] <Pici> !info xen-utils-3.1 | bintut
[04:58] <ubotu> bintut: xen-utils-3.1: XEN administrative tools. In component universe, is extra. Version 3.1.0-0ubuntu17 (gutsy), package size 366 kB, installed size 1088 kB
[04:58] <addos> hopefully the rc will be pretty polished then
[04:58] <bintut> Pici: that's 3.1 of xen only.. there is already the xen-3.1.1 which fixes a lot bugs
[04:58] <Stevethepirate> " 25"
[04:58] <savvas> Stevethepirate: you got me there :D I've no idea, I still have a crt monitor so.. :) try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg now
[04:58] <Stevethepirate> "October 11th :  /!\ ReleaseCandidate, /!\ LanguagePackTranslationDeadline "
[04:58] <mc44> addos: i'm sure people will find problems with it as usual, but don't uncritical things to be fixed by release
[04:58] <Stevethepirate> kk
[04:59] <savvas> Stevethepirate: .. now that the desktop works
[04:59] <mc44> addos: *expect
[04:59] <Stevethepirate> Package `xserver-org' is not installed and no info is available.
[04:59] <Stevethepirate> Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,
[04:59] <Stevethepirate> and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.
[04:59] <Stevethepirate> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: xserver-org is not installed
[05:00] <majnoon> ok just for MY info :: when gutsy becomes "stable" how change to "stable"  gutsy from "unstable" gutsy ??
[05:00] <Pici> !final | majnoon
[05:00] <ubotu> majnoon: If you installed a Tribe/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Gutsy. To make sure, type  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  in a console.
[05:00] <Stevethepirate> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:00] <Stevethepirate> yeah
[05:00] <Stevethepirate> ...
[05:00] <Stevethepirate> sighs
[05:00] <majnoon> okies thanky thanky
[05:00] <Stevethepirate> savvas:
[05:00] <Stevethepirate> SOS
[05:00] <Pici> Save our Stevethepirate?
[05:01] <Stevethepirate> Pici: indeeed
[05:01] <Pici> :)
[05:01] <Stevethepirate> someone...
[05:01] <savvas> Stevethepirate: I'm still here, but if dpkg-reconfigure and reboot won't help.. :s
[05:01] <Stevethepirate> waht must i dpkg-reconfigure
[05:01] <majnoon> can i disable the launchpad report thingy ??
[05:02] <Stevethepirate> it says the xserver-org is not installed
[05:02] <savvas> !
[05:02] <mc44> seezer: er... if xserver-xorg doesn't exit, you have bigger problems...
[05:02] <savvas> whaaa
[05:02] <savvas> lol
[05:02] <Stevethepirate> sighs
[05:02] <Stevethepirate> maybe i just can't type proprtly with the screwed res
[05:02] <savvas> Stevethepirate: ok: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[05:02] <majnoon> apt-get install * ??
[05:02] <Stevethepirate> lol
[05:02] <Stevethepirate> okaty
[05:02] <savvas> oops
[05:02] <Stevethepirate> it now says its installed
[05:02] <Stevethepirate> ...
[05:03] <savvas> Stevethepirate: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[05:03] <Stevethepirate> okay
[05:03] <Stevethepirate> newest version already...
[05:03] <savvas> Stevethepirate: sudo apt-get -f install
[05:03] <Stevethepirate> okay
[05:03] <Stevethepirate> done
[05:03] <bintut> gtg
[05:03] <bintut> thanks..
[05:03] <savvas> (..and that's what happens when you use update-manager -d I guess) :p
[05:04] <Stevethepirate> whats the dpkg command?
[05:04] <Stevethepirate> spam it
[05:04] <Stevethepirate> one line
[05:04] <Stevethepirate> no inverted commas
[05:04] <Stevethepirate> nothing
[05:04] <Pici> !enter
[05:04] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[05:04] <Stevethepirate> i'll copy paste it
[05:04] <savvas> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:04] <mc44> Stevethepirate: please try and use sentences...
[05:04] <Stevethepirate> mc44: : diaf.
[05:04] <Stevethepirate> is that a sentence?
[05:04] <savvas> !paste | Stevethepirate
[05:04] <ubotu> Stevethepirate: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:05] <mc44> Stevethepirate: I don't know, what's diaf?
[05:05] <savvas> so.. nothing ?
[05:05] <advancedonsite> anyone know which audio version is gutsy using i've somehow got pulseaudio esd and alsa installed
[05:05] <Stevethepirate> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIAF
[05:05] <Stevethepirate> i think should help you..
[05:05] <Stevethepirate> okay
[05:05] <Stevethepirate> bbias
[05:07] <mc44> Stevethepirate: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ should help you
[05:07] <DoYouKnow> where can I download the release candidate?
[05:08] <mc44> releases.ubuntu.com
[05:08] <Pici> DoYouKnow: mc44: I dont believe its out yet.
[05:08] <nosrednaekim> bug #151600
[05:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151600 in linux-meta "madwifi no longer working in kernel 2.6.22-12 and 2.6.22-14" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151600
[05:08] <nosrednaekim> my bug :)
[05:09] <mc44> Pici: it's not no. but thats where it can be downloaded from :)
[05:09] <DoYouKnow> oh, I thought it was coming out today
[05:09] <Pici> DoYouKnow: It is. But not yet.
[05:09] <mc44> it probably will be
[05:09] <majnoon> bug #1
[05:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[05:10] <majnoon> me LIKE
[05:10] <majnoon> bug #2
[05:10] <majnoon> no #2 :(
[05:12] <Stevethepirate> savvas:
[05:12] <Stevethepirate> sighs
[05:12] <Stevethepirate> won't start again
[05:12] <Stevethepirate> [xserver]
[05:13] <Stevethepirate> Someone... SOS please... X won't start...
[05:13] <majnoon> Stevethepirate, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:13] <vmlinuz`> I love it how gutsy has new updates every now and then, its cool
[05:13] <vmlinuz`> I feel i'm updated all the time :P
[05:14] <Esteth> Hey. I've installed some of the new gnome 2.20 stuff on fesity. Just enough to get the new theme. Does anyone know if the upgrade (for final, not beta) will handle this gracefully, or will gnome end up dead?
[05:15] <Stevethepirate> majnoon: thats what made this screw out.
[05:15] <Pici> Esteth: Probably not.
[05:15] <Esteth> Pici: as in, it won't be graceful, or it won't end up dead?
[05:15] <Stevethepirate> In an attempt to fix http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/2817/screenshotja2.png
[05:15] <Pici> Esteth: It probably won't be graceful.
[05:15] <savvas> Stevethepirate: did you select the nvidia driver?
[05:16] <Stevethepirate> Yes. But hence changed to vesa in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:16] <Stevethepirate> savvas: wait..
[05:16] <Stevethepirate> yeah
[05:16] <Stevethepirate> set to vesa
[05:16] <Esteth> Pici: Ok. if i attempt to get those packages back to the proper feisty versions, should i be somewhat more "nice"?
[05:16] <Stevethepirate> savvas: vesa / nv / nvidia
[05:16] <Stevethepirate> which one to use?
[05:17] <savvas> Stevethepirate: did you reboot after dpkg-reconfigure?
[05:17] <bastid_raZor> i think i'm having the same issues are were/are Stevethepirate .. after my reboot
[05:17] <Pici> Esteth: I really can't make a prediction either way.
[05:17] <Stevethepirate> savvas: yeah
[05:17] <savvas> hm..
[05:17] <savvas> Stevethepirate: nvidia should be used
[05:17] <Stevethepirate> let me reconfigure
[05:17] <MTecknology> How do I nominate a bug for Gutsy?
[05:17] <Stevethepirate> with nvidia
[05:17] <MrMazda> anyone know why kernels have CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE=m instead of =y?
[05:17] <hylje> module
[05:17] <Esteth> Pici: OK. Thanks for the warning, anyway :)
[05:17] <bastid_raZor> although i have my xorg.conf backed up several times with several settings
[05:17] <nosrednaekim> !bugs
[05:17] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[05:18] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: savvas changing my xorg.conf back to a known working copy did not solve my resolution issues
[05:18] <MTecknology> nosrednaekim, I know how to report bugs, I don't know how to make them specific to Gutsy
[05:18] <Stevethepirate> okay
[05:18] <Stevethepirate> brb
[05:18] <Stevethepirate> reboot
[05:18] <Stevethepirate> #41 of the day
[05:18] <Stevethepirate> :(
[05:19] <nosrednaekim> MTecknology: hmmm IDK.... go to #launchpad or #ubuntu-bugs
[05:19] <savvas> bastid_raZor: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:19] <gabbarinho> howdy
[05:20] <gabbarinho> does anybody use ubuntu on a laptop?
[05:20] <nosrednaekim> gabbarinho: yup
[05:21] <gabbarinho> i just got a friend of mine (a mac fan) to try it on his laptop
[05:21] <bastid_raZor> savvas: copying back a working version of xorg.conf wouldn't be the same and fix what apparently this new kernel has flipped out on?
[05:21] <gabbarinho> he was finally sold when i sent him a youtube clip of compiz in action
[05:21] <sslashes> in gusty, gnome recongnized the macbook pro fn keys (volume, backlight - both lcd and keyboard, etc) - i want to use pommed, does anyone know how i can disable the gnome keymapping for the fn keys?
[05:21] <savvas> gabbarinho: wait for the release candidate or the final version
[05:21] <gabbarinho> he's very impressed - but says his battery now drains much faster
[05:21] <macogw> heh granparadiso's trying to decide if it should crash or not
[05:22] <gabbarinho> and i figure that's because the CPU runs at 100% at all times and other things
[05:22] <savvas> gabbarinho: with compiz enabled?
[05:22] <gabbarinho> can you configure that?
[05:22] <macogw> gabbarinho: if it's not a thinkpad, enable laptop mode
[05:22] <macogw> gabbarinho: also check out lesswatts.org from Intel for tips on power consumption
[05:22] <gabbarinho> yes, i think he's using compiz a lot, and i guess that would have an effect too
[05:22] <gabbarinho> thanks for the tip
[05:22] <sslashes> does compiz work well with moble ati cards yet?
[05:23] <sslashes> (or at all =)
[05:23] <DoYouKnow> how do you enable laptop mode?
[05:23] <gabbarinho> how do you enable laptop mode?
[05:23] <savvas> bastid_raZor: it should work now that you mention it, but try changing the driver to "vesa", see if you can run gnome at all
[05:23] <nosrednaekim> its in /etc/rc.conf or something like that
[05:23] <mc44> sslashes: it should work ok depends on the card. R350 ones don't work I think
[05:24] <macogw> gabbarinho & DoYouKnow: it's in the /etc/acpi config file
[05:24] <bastid_raZor> i just did a few tweaks in the resolution GUI.. let me restart X then if that doesn't work .. i'll go to vesa.. brb
[05:25] <DoYouKnow> macogw, is there a graphical way of doing it?
[05:26] <Konam> I'm still getting this 'white slashes' on the window borders with compiz enabled nVidia card: http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/3956/pantallazoml6.png
[05:26] <Konam> someone told me to change the them so I try with the default human and I'm still getting it
[05:26] <Konam>  it happens when I put the cursor on something and the comment popup, for example on the close buttom "close the windows"..
[05:26] <Konam> is the default compiz installation and the default nvidia driver, which works fine btw
[05:27] <macogw> DoYouKnow: no
[05:27] <macogw> i'm looking for it
[05:27] <macogw> it's the same file where you specify the drivers to shut down during suspend
[05:28] <gabbarinho> I guess it isn't idiot-proof yet
[05:29] <savvas> Konam: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:29] <savvas> Konam: then alt-f2 compiz --replace &
[05:29] <savvas> bastid_raZor: gnome would start and you just had resolution problems?
[05:30] <bastid_raZor> savvas: i'm currently using vesa drivers. and my xorg looks all goofed like Stevethepirate's does with crazy modes added
[05:30] <bastid_raZor> savvas: i'm running at 800x600 now
[05:30] <savvas> bastid_raZor: nvidia graphics card?
[05:31] <bastid_raZor> savvas: yeah 7600 gt
[05:31] <macogw> DoYouKnow & gabbarinho: /etc/default/acpi-support
[05:31] <savvas> weird
[05:31] <bastid_raZor> savvas: very weird that changing the kernel would do this. maybe get the -386 back?? or would the be just a fluke?
[05:31] <gabbarinho> thanks, macogw
[05:31] <macogw> gabbarinho: it's disabled by default because of thinkpads.  most distros don't even install the laptop mode packages by default
[05:32] <savvas> bastid_raZor: try enabling the driver from restricted drivers manager
[05:32] <jdrake> Is there a way to disable the desktop switching with the horizontal/vertical scrolling of the touchpad (probably similar to mouswheel)?
[05:32] <gabbarinho> thinkpads have a problem with ubuntu?
[05:32] <Stevethepirate> sighs
[05:32] <Stevethepirate> sighs
[05:32] <macogw> with laptop mode, yes
[05:32] <macogw> which is why it's disabled
[05:32] <macogw> then they're fine
[05:32] <gabbarinho> what features are available in laptop mode?
[05:32] <bastid_raZor> rebooting
[05:32] <savvas> weird though.. we all use the same card, yet I'm the only one having a great installation :P
[05:33] <macogw> it changes your disk I/O
[05:33] <macogw> like, the frequency with which it writes
[05:33] <DoYouKnow> cpu throttling?
[05:33] <gabbarinho> does it throttle the CPU as well?
[05:33] <gabbarinho> ah
[05:33] <macogw> i dont know
[05:33] <macogw> dont think so
[05:33] <macogw> that's just part of normal ACPI AFAIK
[05:33] <savvas> Stevethepirate bastid_raZor: I'm out, I hope you'll solve it
[05:34] <gabbarinho> oh, that could certainly be the case
[05:34] <bastid_raZor> :\
[05:34] <bastid_raZor> savvas: thanks for the help this far
[05:34] <savvas> I have some patients to diagnose :)
[05:34] <savvas> n/p
[05:34] <Stevethepirate> savvas: :peace!
[05:34] <Stevethepirate> tahnks for teh hlps
[05:35] <savvas> Stevethepirate: yohoho ... no problem my pirate friend.. yarr ;)
[05:40] <qzio> which is the best illustrator:ish app to ubuntu
[05:42] <thegeeker> inkscape
[05:43] <jhaig> Has there been a release candidate yet?
[05:43] <gabbarinho> how much of a performance hit do you get with VMware?
[05:43] <MTecknology> Oddly enough... it appears another one of my bugs has been fixed, but i never found a dupe. I guess I'll see if it recurse and act accordingly. :D
[05:44] <letalis> the only major problem ive expierenced with gutsy is that sometimes compiz dies
[05:44] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: i have a friend helping.. i'll give you the fix he gives me once he is done. ssh is awesome!
[05:44] <letalis> but that was probably fixed in the last update
[05:44] <letalis> i havent tested it recently though ive been in kde.
[05:45] <sid> Can I do loop back encrypted file system in Ubuntu.. like I can with debian?
[05:46] <MilhousePunkRock> Hey everyone!
[05:46] <MilhousePunkRock> Hey Hobbsee!
[05:46] <Hobbsee> hiya!
[05:47] <MilhousePunkRock> So, is the RC arriving today, as scheduled?
[05:48] <cyclonut> Quick question: randomly, my screen will not come back on after  opening my laptop lid. Any advice?
[05:48] <MTecknology> Hobbsee, Sorry for my stupidity yesterday
[05:48] <gabbarinho> are yo using firefox, cyclonut?
[05:49] <cyclonut> gabbarinho: why yes I am
[05:49] <Konam> savvas what would do those commands?
[05:49] <MilhousePunkRock> cyclonut: Same here rarely, I use Fn-F5 to cycle through the outputs until it comes back... Appears as if sometimes wants to use the non-existant external screen after waking up
[05:49] <gabbarinho> i think that's a firefox bug, not a ubuntu thing
[05:49] <thegeeker> cyclonut: when i had that problem it was the switch detecting laptop lid opening was physically wearing out
[05:49] <MilhousePunkRock> gabbarinho: Negative
[05:49] <Konam> savvas I mean, exactly what would they do?
[05:49] <gabbarinho> firefox leaks memory if you use flash, so CPU utilization often rises to 100% when you close the lid
[05:49] <cyclonut> gabbarinho: That doesnt make much sense to me...
[05:49] <gabbarinho> so it has trouble "waking up"
[05:49] <gabbarinho> it happens to me on both my ubuntu and windows PCs
[05:50] <gabbarinho> it's a common problem - google it
[05:50] <Hobbsee> MTecknology: no problem
[05:50] <cyclonut> MilhousePunkRock: Ill try that next time...
[05:50] <MilhousePunkRock> gabbarinho: I have the same issue, I don't use Fx unless I have to. And you can hear from the fan and HDD that it's waking up, but there is no output to the screen...
[05:51] <cyclonut> aye, if it were that issue you were talking about gabbarinho, the backlight would at least turn on... It is completely ignoring the screen
[05:51] <MilhousePunkRock> cyclonut: Probably you will have to use a different key combination... Just look for the F-Key that has Screens on it in the color matching your Fn-Key
[05:51] <gabbarinho> oh, I see
[05:51] <cyclonut> MilhousePunkRock: yep, fn-f8 here ;)
[05:51] <cyclonut> gabbarinho: Thanks though!
[05:51] <gabbarinho> sure.
[05:52] <cyclonut> and, on another note, has anyone else been getting random lockups?
[05:52] <MilhousePunkRock> I have never seen so much activity in here before...
[05:52] <gabbarinho> any idea why this happens, milhouse?
[05:52] <cyclonut> kernel panic type lockups, that is
[05:52] <MilhousePunkRock> cyclonut: Complete freezes? I'd first run an extensive memtest
[05:53] <cyclonut> we,, just closed and opened my lidd. cycling displays did not help.
[05:53] <cyclonut> brb
[05:53] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee: RC being released today?
[05:53] <wubuntu> when can i start download gg?
[05:53] <Pici> wubuntu: when its out
[05:53] <bazhang> 10/18
[05:53] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: that's the plan
[05:53] <wubuntu> haha
[05:53] <MilhousePunkRock> bazhang: That's the date for the final release, isn't it?
[05:53] <bazhang> :]
[05:53] <bazhang> yes.
[05:54] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee: So, technically the RC is identical to the final release unless there are huge problems, right?
[05:54] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: it'll be fairly similar, yes
[05:55] <leku> i have some shortcuts defined to switch workspaces, alt-1 goes to workspace 1, etc on to 4
[05:55] <bazhang> Hobbsee: I saw a Gutsy DVD at linuxtracker--would that be better to get than the CD?
[05:55] <xMoth> Whats up with the Release Candidate from Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon? When they'll be released?
[05:55] <leku> when I use it to switch workspacse, it sometimes moves windows to different workspaces
[05:55] <leku> how do I stop this?
[05:55] <Pici> xMoth: Sometime today.
[05:55] <mc44> probably
[05:55] <Pici> probably.
[05:55] <mc44> :)
[05:56] <xMoth> ^^
[05:56] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee: I am aching to do a fresh install on my good ol' ThinkPad, so I can take it to university and ditch the nasty Mac we have... :)
[05:56] <Pici> mc44: I added cfblacklist if you didn't notice.
[05:56] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:56] <Hobbsee> bazhang: nah, grab a cd.  they've been tested more
[05:56] <xMoth> maybe you can tell me a time ^^
[05:56] <bazhang> Hobbsee: thanks!
[05:56] <MilhousePunkRock> bazhang: The DVD is probably for those who don't have a fast internet connection if they want install additional stuff...
[05:57] <MilhousePunkRock> mc44: Noon EST ;)
[05:57] <bazhang> MilhousePunkRock: good point. I hadn't thought of that. Cheers!
[05:57] <MilhousePunkRock> Wait, that's like in 3 minutes...
[05:57] <bazhang> ;}
[05:58] <gabbarinho> does gutsy have a better boot manager?
[05:58] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee: Who's that on the photo of the Gutsy Beta announcement, btw?
[05:58] <xMoth> gabbarinho: What do you mean with "better"?
[05:58] <MilhousePunkRock> gabbarinho: Boot manager as in Grub? What's wrong with it?
[05:59] <gabbarinho> well. triple booting ubuntu, xp, and vista can be prblematic
[05:59] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: uh?  link?
[05:59] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee: http://kubuntu.org
[05:59] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee: Never seen it?
[05:59] <gabbarinho> it isn't really grub's fault, but vista's
[06:00] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: i read the rss feed :)
[06:00] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: um, it's one of the kde dudes
[06:00] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee: I thought it could have been JRiddell...
[06:00] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: no, it's not him
[06:01] <macogw> how to drive me nuts: be my TA that pronounces "finite state machine" as "fin-it state machine"
[06:01] <xMoth> this guy looks funny ^^
[06:01] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: i know vaguely who it is, but i cnat remember his name
[06:01] <delight> Pici: do you know where RC is going to be announced first? (probably ubuntu.com?)
[06:01] <cyclonut> so, switching displays didnt work :-P
[06:01] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: Aaron Seigo (aseigo)
[06:01] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee: Too bad this photo once again confirms that nerds look like nerds... ;)
[06:02] <Pici> delight: I'm sure this channel will know the moment its released.
[06:02] <sslashes> in compixconfig, when i try to set an accelerator for Alt+Tab it doesn't register as anything (i can set other accelerastors, such as Alt+S
[06:02] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:02] <sslashes> any ideas?
[06:02] <delight> Pici: ^^ :)
[06:02] <bazhang> the nanosecond
[06:02] <cyclonut> sslashes: maybe because gnome is already trying to use it?
[06:03] <MilhousePunkRock> cyclonut: Another thing that might work is switching the screen on manually (Fn-F3 here), or rather on/off repeatedly
[06:03] <cyclonut> MilhousePunkRock: I dont have a keey to do that, sadly
[06:03] <sslashes> cyclonut: nope, not in keyboard shortcuts anyway
[06:04] <thegeeker> cyclonut: manually trigger the lid down sensor
[06:04] <sslashes> is there a flat text file for configuring compix?
[06:04] <sslashes> *compix
[06:04] <sslashes> if not, where is the config stored?
[06:04] <cyclonut> I've opened and closed the lids many-a-time
[06:04] <cyclonut> err, lid
[06:05] <cyclonut> I suppose I just wont close my lid until final
[06:05] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee: The guy on the photo being a KDE dev explains the "Downstream loves you" slogan, and it was probably taken on aKAdemy...
[06:05] <xMoth> i hope the RC will be released before 8pm ^^
[06:05] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: yep
[06:05] <Hobbsee> xMoth: i'm sure it will be - in some timezone.
[06:05] <thegeeker> cyclonut: if the lid sensor is wearing out, you may have to trigger it by pushing with a pen or something
[06:05] <Hobbsee> on some day
[06:06] <xMoth> xD
[06:06] <xMoth> I mean at gmt +1
[06:06] <cyclonut> thegeeker: I see... thing is though that it has only happened since the upgrade, on a relatively new computer
[06:06] <cyclonut> Ill try the manual thing though
[06:06] <thegeeker> cyclonut: gotcha
[06:07] <cyclonut> sad that I'm having such trouble with this beta... feisty seemed considerably more polished, though it was considerably less revolutionary too, I suppose
[06:08] <greedo_> hi
[06:08] <cyclonut> I suppose this will make Hoary (LTS, right?) all the better when I get my paws on it
[06:08] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: had to reinstall nvidia-glx-new and all is well  in xorg.conf land
[06:09] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: remove nvidia-glx-new then install it back.. alld one
[06:09] <greedo_> last time i upgraded (few days ago) i noticed an error message about update-notifier crash. now when i boot gutsy, file system is mounted read only, any idea ? how can i fix that ?
[06:11] <Dr_Willis> fsck the disks, to verify they are ok.
[06:11] <Dr_Willis> if a error is detected at boot. the fs's get mounted read only. as a safty feature.
[06:12] <greedo_> ok
[06:12] <macogw> cyclonut: hardy.  hoary's ancient
[06:12] <cyclonut> macogw: oops, that is what I meant... I knew hoary sounded weird.
[06:13] <macogw> by "ancient" i mean about as old as Debian OldStable
[06:13] <MilhousePunkRock> Yeah, I got a little puzzled too... Hoary sounded more familiar...
[06:13] <Dr_Willis> The Ancient Hoary Hedgehog hopped happly home...
[06:13] <Dr_Willis> :P
[06:13] <MilhousePunkRock> Dr_Willis: Historic Hoary... ;)
[06:13] <The_Viper> will rc be out today?
[06:14] <MilhousePunkRock> The_Viper: It's scheduled for today... To quote Hobsee: "That's the plan"
[06:14] <The_Viper> :)
[06:14] <Hobbsee> !rc is <reply> The Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon RC will be out 2 hours after the last person asked.
[06:14] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Hobbsee
[06:14] <jussi01> lol
[06:14] <cyclonut> haha
[06:15] <The_Viper> hehe.. lotsa questions about that one i guess :P
[06:15] <nemik> are new updates safe? any breaking?
[06:15] <Hobbsee> nemik: yeah, we decided to break everything as we're doing a RC.  duh.
[06:15] <cyclonut> I'm having crappy luck with them, personally
[06:15] <The_Viper> cant understand how the devs can live with this time pressure
[06:15] <nemik> Hobbsee: ok cool. i'll hold off
[06:16] <Hobbsee> The_Viper: by staying away from userland channels?  :)
[06:16] <cyclonut> depending on what happens at final, I may have to reinstall feisty, which will seem positively ancient compared to some of the stuff going on in gutsy
[06:16] <The_Viper> Hobbsee: stop talking and develop :P
[06:16] <cellofellow> not so much as Dapper. ;)
[06:16] <cellofellow> :P
[06:17] <Hobbsee> The_Viper: meh.  fix some bugs for me.
[06:17] <Col-Panic> Hi everybody
[06:17] <Col-Panic> Are there some news on the RC?
[06:17] <Pici> !rc | Col-Panic
[06:17] <ubotu> Col-Panic: The Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon RC will be out 2 hours after the last person asked.
[06:18] <Col-Panic> pici: Alright ;)
[06:18] <MilhousePunkRock> Pici: :D
[06:18] <Pici> :D
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> 'when its done'
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> :)
[06:18] <MisterN> Col-Panic: you delayed it :(
[06:18] <Col-Panic> I am very sorry. :)
[06:18] <Col-Panic> Feisty forever, then
[06:18] <The_Viper> Hobbsee: sure. I'll just fire up visual basic :P
[06:19] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee: Can't you have ubotu say !rc to everyone that joins? ;)
[06:19] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: we've found that they ignore onjoin notices.
[06:20] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee: Even if nick-highlighted? If that's possible at all...
[06:20] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: yeah.  people dont read.  including topics.
[06:21] <TheInfinity> automatic onjoins are like advertising popups - one time reading ok - but every join is really ... uh.
[06:23] <DanaG> Oh yeah, something to add for people going to install Vista later: Mark Vista's partition active.  Otherwise, it gets unhappy.
[06:23] <DanaG> I actually deleted my Vista partition to make more room for Ubuntu, actually.
[06:24] <Col-Panic> Why  not ban any discussion on the RC, then it would be here quite soon :)
[06:24] <TheInfinity> good idea ;)
[06:24] <cyclonut> something could be whispered/messaged to a person on jin
[06:24] <TheInfinity> cyclonut: whisperers on join are something for my ignore list - except if somebody writes a bot who just whisperes one time to registered users, this would be ok ...
[06:24] <Col-Panic> DoS on all of usenet, then
[06:24] <Col-Panic> "The War on Usenet"
[06:25] <DanaG> Gaack, my brighntess bug still hasn't been addressed.
[06:25] <cyclonut> DanaG: nor has mine, or thousands of others' brightness bugs :(
[06:25] <sslashes> weird, i loaded up gconf-editor and changed the mapping to what compizconfig would not let me set as an accelerator - and now that i did it in gconf-editor it works fine
[06:26] <cellofellow> My brightness doesn't work, or my sound. I'm rather confused about it, and wonder if I could fix it in Gentoo.
[06:26] <cellofellow> Actually, the screen dims when the laptop is unplugged, and brightens when plugged, but not controllable.
[06:26] <MTecknology> How can I change my touchpad config?
[06:27] <cellofellow> MTecknology: what brand? Synaptics?
[06:27] <nemik> why all this usenet hate?
[06:27] <MTecknology> cellofellow, I feel stupid, but i'm not sure. I think so though.
[06:27] <DanaG> bug 121833
[06:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when between discrete levels, both from hotkeys and from dim-on-idle." [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[06:27] <majnoon> ok i upgraded to gutsyTRYING to get kde4 to run it gives me some kind of gtk setuid error
[06:28] <DanaG> I get this awful BLINKING on dimming.
[06:28] <cellofellow> MTecknology: try gsynaptics. Works for me (mostly)
[06:28] <DanaG> It's like Gnome is saying,  "Oh, you're idle?   Whap!"
[06:28] <DanaG> Where 'Whap' is it slapping you.
[06:28] <Col-Panic> nemik: Usenet is delaying Gutsy
[06:29] <nemik> Col-Panic: how so?
[06:29] <Col-Panic> nemik: Erm. Sorry. I meant IRC.
[06:30] <xMoth> Why?
[06:31] <majnoon> ok i upgraded to gutsy TRYING to get kde4 to run it gives me some kind of gtk setuid error
[06:31] <MTecknology> cellofellow, it says it can't start b/c I don't have 'SHMConfig' 'true' in xorg.conf. Does this mean i probably don't have a synaptices touchpad, or do i just need to add it?
[06:31] <xMoth> Will the RC be released today or even not?
[06:32] <cellofellow> MTecknology: yeah, you need to add that to the file
[06:32] <MTecknology> cellofellow, what section?
[06:32] <cellofellow> MTecknology: in the section InputDevice with the driver synaptics.
[06:32] <Hobbsee> !rc | xMoth
[06:32] <ubotu> xMoth: The Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon RC will be out 2 hours after the last person asked.
[06:32] <cellofellow> MTecknology: there are lots of InputDevices, so be sure it's the right one.
[06:32] <Hobbsee> xMoth: you're clearly american
[06:33] <MTecknology> cellofellow, do I add it as an option?
[06:33] <cellofellow> Yeah
[06:33] <cellofellow> Option "SHMConfig" "True"
[06:33] <MilhousePunkRock> xMoth: Thanks for making us wait even longer...
[06:34] <MTecknology> cellofellow, I'll try it out, thanks
[06:34] <cellofellow> what's new in the RC?
[06:34] <cellofellow> that's what I thought. :-)
[06:34] <gnomefreak> way is everyone waiting for it?
[06:34] <gnomefreak> s/way/why
[06:34] <cellofellow> no idea
[06:34] <DanaG> Why is shmconfig NOT enabled by default?
[06:34] <cellofellow> no idea
[06:34] <cellofellow> file a bug
[06:35] <xMoth> ^^
[06:35] <MilhousePunkRock> cellofellow: You can for sure fix that in Gentoo... If you have enough time and patience...
[06:35] <Hobbsee> there already is a bug, iirc
[06:35] <Dr_Willis> perhaps it can cause issues on other machines.
[06:35] <gnomefreak> lets try to explain this in terms you might get. DAILY ISO'S
[06:35] <xMoth> I'm not american
[06:35] <cellofellow> MilhousePunkRock: figured
[06:35] <Hobbsee> xMoth: you act like it.  not everyone lives in your timezone.
[06:35] <MilhousePunkRock> cellofellow: I used to use Gentoo for quite a while, dumped it for Kubuntu. Too much work...
[06:36] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: no, just let them wait.
[06:36] <Matir`> is there a gui tool to enable/setup dm-crypt?
[06:36] <MTecknology> cellofellow, It worked, but it doesn't let me change what I want... the area width that controls vertical scrolling
[06:36] <cellofellow> MilhousePunkRock: I've an nVidia HDA with SigmaTel STAC9200 chipset that just doesn't work in any of the binary distros I've tried.
[06:37] <DanaG> Oh yeah, to change the scroll area:
[06:37] <cellofellow> MTecknology: yeah, I noticed that. There is an option for xorg.conf to do that, but I can't figure out exactly what that is. man synaptics
[06:37] <DanaG> the parameter is RightEdge.
[06:37] <TheInfinity> .oO((if ther will be a time where people understand the sentence "its done when its done"?))
[06:37] <xMoth> hi TheInfinity ^^
[06:37] <cellofellow> DanaG: I know that much, but what do the integer values *mean*?
[06:37] <DanaG> Once you've restarted Xorg with SHMConfig enabled, you can try "synclient RightEdge=5000".
[06:37] <cellofellow> milimeters? "units"? no idea.
[06:38] <DanaG> The best approach is trial and error.
[06:38] <MilhousePunkRock> cellofellow: If you have evidence that it can work in general, go ahead and try Gentoo... Installing is pretty easy with the handbook, but be aware that a Gentoo system basically never gets finished...
[06:38] <cellofellow> Yeah, ok.
[06:38] <cellofellow> I don't think I have the time.
[06:38] <MilhousePunkRock> cellofellow: And if you can't make it work in Gentoo, it can't be made working in Linux in general, I guess...
[06:38] <xMoth> !rc
[06:38] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon RC will be out 2 hours after the last person asked.
[06:38] <xMoth> ok thats nice
[06:39] <cellofellow> MilhousePunkRock: oh, apparently it can be done.
[06:41] <MilhousePunkRock> cellofellow: In Gentoo or even *buntu?
[06:42] <cyclonut> wow. Ive had nothing to update for hours
[06:42] <cellofellow> Fedora actually. Need to build ALSA though :(
[06:42] <cyclonut> im going to go into update withdrawl
[06:42] <cellofellow> I haven't had updates in days. Switching back to the normal US mirror instead of the local.
[06:43] <MilhousePunkRock> cellofellow: Fedora is binary too, isn't it?
[06:43] <Hobbsee> cellofellow: how does that help?
[06:43] <cellofellow> yeah, but you have to BUILD ALSA.
[06:43] <cellofellow> Hobbsee: not sure, still doing the apt-get update thing.
[06:43] <MilhousePunkRock> cellofellow: That's not more than ./configure && make && make install
[06:43] <cellofellow> Just maybe the local mirror is out of sync.
[06:43] <Hobbsee> cellofellow: US is also a mirror
[06:44] <cellofellow> MilhousePunkRock: yeah, but lots of package depend on alsa, and they won't install without it being there as a package.
[06:44] <cellofellow> Just not worth it.
[06:44] <MilhousePunkRock> Shouldn't _the_ server be in South Africa? Or doesn't Shuttleworth live there=
[06:44] <Hobbsee> cellofellow: but perhaps you should use logic - if there's an RC coming out, do you expect a whole lot of changes at the same time, or do you expect the archive to be more or less frozen?
[06:44] <Hobbsee> cellofellow: hint:  the stuff in the topic may be useful, if you need it.
[06:44] <MilhousePunkRock> cellofellow: Well, install the package, uninstall it, and only it, then rebuild it
[06:44] <cellofellow> Hobbsee: All I know is I now have updates after switching back to the main US mirror.
[06:45] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: servers are in the UK, where the canonical offices are
[06:45] <cellofellow> MilhousePunkRock: yeah, well, I'm lazy. Sound ain't that important. I got the Tidal Wave effect working in Compiz for alerts, and I'm good.
[06:45] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee: Yeah, thought so... I guess people spill their teas on the servers quite often, uk.ubuntu.com often times out for me
[06:45] <OldPink> Hi all
[06:45] <DanaG> Oh yeah, if all else fails, you can download the HG ALSA.
[06:46] <OldPink> Since upgrading to Gutsy, my battery in the laptop isn't recognized
[06:46] <cellofellow> HG?
[06:46] <DanaG> Mercurial.  It's a version-control system.
[06:46] <OldPink> acpi -s :   Battery 1: slot empty
[06:46] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: uk.a.u.c is another mirror.
[06:47] <MilhousePunkRock> cellofellow: Since *buntu is the most popular distro, I am sure someone has already built the .deb package for your needs... Check for a debian package too, but beware that it might break...
[06:47] <silkcom> I'm trying to figure out how to autostart synergy before login but after X anyone know how?
[06:47] <cellofellow> Ok, I need to remember to use the local mirrors only on STABLE distros.
[06:47] <DanaG> silkcom: perhaps add it as a background program in gdm.conf-custom.
[06:47] <OldPink> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/127773
[06:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127773 in hal "A/C Status, CPU Temp, and Battery no longer recognized as present after upgrade to Gutsy in Dell Latitude L400" [Medium,Confirmed]
[06:47] <silkcom> what about if Im running kdm?
[06:47] <Hobbsee> cellofellow: if you use the master archive, like a lot of other people, it'll slow down to a crawl
[06:47] <MilhousePunkRock> silkcom: I think I read how it can be done a while back. So the info is out there...
[06:47] <cellofellow> MilhousePunkRock: the fix is posted as a comment on the bug report in launchpad.  ALSA confuses me.
[06:48] <silkcom> :) im sure it's somewhere
[06:48] <cellofellow> Hobbsee: my internet is too slow to notice.
[06:48] <silkcom> actually i think it would be ok for it to load whenever, it doesn't seem to be an x program
[06:48] <silkcom> anytime after my network starts up
[06:48] <DanaG> us.archive,
[06:48] <MilhousePunkRock> silkcom: It's not... So maybe it's just a one line script?
[06:48] <DanaG> mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu.
[06:49] <DanaG> and san1.csc.calpoly.edu.
[06:49] <Hobbsee> "if no one knows what the primary mirror is, then everyone wont use the primary mirror, and therefore trash it - particularly if it's strangely named"
[06:49] <hydrogen> it would be nice for mirrors.ubuntu.com to be a round robin dns
[06:49] <hydrogen> that just shovels the connector off
[06:49] <hydrogen> at some attempt for load balancing
[06:49] <DanaG> You ain't seen fast internet until you've downloaded from mirrors.kernel.org on a GbE connection.
[06:50] <cellofellow> I do prefer the local mirrors, but the one I was using was out of date.
[06:50] <DanaG> It goes so fast, you'll be bottlenecked by your hard drive.
[06:50] <cellofellow> There are two (I think) in utah. mirrors.xmission.com/ubuntu, and ubuntu.cs.utah.edu
[06:50] <cellofellow> xmission is a local ISP.
[06:51] <cellofellow> but the xmission one I was using was out of date, not keeping up with the updates.
[06:51] <MilhousePunkRock> Hobbsee: The primary "mirror" isn't a mirror to be precise, is it?
[06:52] <DanaG> Put the local one above the official one in sources.list, and it'll be preferred if it's up to date.
[06:52] <cellofellow> ah, ok
[06:52] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: well, yeah.  primary archive would be better
[06:52] <Hobbsee> DanaG: the order matters?
[06:52] <Hobbsee> i thoght it was just done by apt priorities
[06:53] <DanaG> For mirrors of the same distro, order does seem to matter.
[06:53] <Hobbsee> interesting.
[06:53] <DanaG> I had to find that by googling for something like 'apt mirror priorities'.
[06:54] <gnomefreak> shouldnt it depends on what one was updated last?
[06:54] <ksivaji> Is there any risk in upgrading from feisty to guisty now ?
[06:54] <cyclonut> ksivaji: sure.
[06:54] <gnomefreak> ksivaji: always a risk upgrading
[06:55] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: latest version number.
[06:55] <MilhousePunkRock> Speaking of such: How come my adept does not have the setting that are shown own Riddel's how-to pictures for upgrading to Gutsy?
[06:55] <gnomefreak> ksivaji: it will be safest when its released but still back up
[06:55] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: think of your fun with ppa's.
[06:55] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: yes
[06:55] <gnomefreak> :)
[06:55] <ksivaji> gnomefreak ok
[06:55] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i just uploaded tritiun to PPA :)
[06:55] <MilhousePunkRock> For instance, settings for automatic update checks, as in configuring apt-notifier...
[06:56] <gnomefreak> as long as repos are not commented out it should not matter what order they are in
[06:57] <gnomefreak> apt doesnt care if the chicken came before the egg it cares that its there
[06:57] <thelaser> is there any reason to prefer reinstalling after the official release, or is apt-get upgrading from the RC OK for a new system, assuming no severe breakage between now and then?
[06:57] <gnomefreak> thelaser: upgrade is fine
[06:58] <gnomefreak> thelaser:  gutsy > gutsy apt will get newest packages that it has in repos so if your on gutsy you will be updated along the releases with apt
[06:58] <Konam> savvas you didn't told me what would those commands do?
[06:59] <thelaser> do we actually have an official RC iso, or just the daily "release candidate candidate"?
[06:59] <Konam> I'm referring to this: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[06:59] <Konam> then alt-f2 compiz --replace &
[06:59] <musikgoat> I'm having trouble keeping my clock correct when having it set to NTP.   when going to the time&date props and check different servers, but never does the time set correctly.
[07:00] <MilhousePunkRock> Konam: The first line will update your package list and get all upgrades
[07:00] <Seipher> Is anyone else finding that.  I am using a low end Radeon Mobility with the opensource drivers but like I said it wasn't a problem in Fiesty
[07:00] <MilhousePunkRock> Konam: The second will start compiz instead your current WM
[07:00] <Konam> MilhousePunkRock i know that, the second
[07:00] <Seipher> sigh, copy paste loses again.  Let me try that one more time
[07:00] <Hobbsee> thelaser: one becomes the other.  the RC is not out yet, no.
[07:00] <Seipher> I just recently did the upgrade from Feisty to the Gutsy beta/preview(?) and I am finding that compiz performance is significantly worse than it was when I installed trevino's stuff in Fiesty.
[07:01] <Konam> MilhousePunkRock and how do set my previous vm back gnome --replace &
[07:01] <Konam> ?
[07:01] <schreder> what do I need to be abe
[07:01] <schreder> able to play dvds in totem
[07:01] <MilhousePunkRock> Konam: I know nothing about Gnome
[07:01] <Konam> Seipher I found that it was better :)
[07:01] <Seipher> Could it be some old setting from before upgrading?
[07:01] <cyclonut> schreder: I usually grab whats necessary from easyubuntu
[07:01] <Konam> MilhousePunkRock so with kde "kde --replace &"
[07:01] <Konam> ?
[07:01] <Milos_SD> When RC will be released ?
[07:01] <MilhousePunkRock> schreder: lidvd? libcss?
[07:01] <thelaser> Hobbsee: ah, thanks.  Where would the designation of a daily as the RC be made?
[07:02] <cyclonut> schreder: on the other hand, you could just install vlc and use that for everything
[07:02] <MilhousePunkRock> !rc | Milos_SD
[07:02] <ubotu> Milos_SD: The Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon RC will be out 2 hours after the last person asked.
[07:02] <Seipher> I am also getting vertical line artifacts on the screen
[07:02] <musikgoat> hehe
[07:02] <benzon> Is it possible to use the Feisty Compiz-Fusino Reppos on Gutsy? because i want to try out some of the unsupported Plugins for Compiz
[07:02] <benzon> Is it possible to use the Feisty Compiz-Fusion Reppos on Gutsy? because i want to try out some of the unsupported Plugins for Compiz
[07:02] <DanaG> What I mean about priority is this:
[07:03] <DanaG> If two mirrors have the SAME version of something, then the one listed first will be used first.
[07:03] <Konam> benzon the unsupported plugins are in gutsy repos too
[07:03] <schreder> well I do have vlc, but I cant play dvds in it.. it doesn't show any error, it just doesn't play anything and totem complains about missing plugins
[07:03] <bazhang> new updates for compiz-core 0.6!
[07:04] <MilhousePunkRock> schreder: Did you start VLC from the shell to see if there are errors you don't see otherwise?
[07:04] <Seipher> Its quite odd.  I am using an older ati-mobility card with the opensource driver.  It worked fine on feisty though.  Now it is a bit choppy and I get these artifacts, vertical lines just to the right of windows and menus sometimes.
[07:04] <MilhousePunkRock> DanaG: So if I move my local mirror up in the list, it might be a blink faster?
[07:04] <bazhang> Konam: that would be kwin --replace &
[07:05] <schreder> libdvdnav: Unable to find map file '/home/pixl/.dvdnav/VNINGSKR.map'
[07:05] <schreder> libdvdread: Invalid main menu IFO (VIDEO_TS.IFO).
[07:05] <schreder> libdvdnav: vm: faild to read VIDEO_TS.IFO
[07:05] <schreder> libdvdread: Invalid IFO for VMGM (VIDEO_TS.IFO).
[07:05] <benzon> Konam, cant find them tho what are they called?
[07:05] <Konam> bazhang so gnome would be metacity --replace &?
[07:05] <MilhousePunkRock> !paste | schreder
[07:05] <ubotu> schreder: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:05] <schreder> then it complains about not being able to read the disk
[07:06] <schreder> oops :)
[07:06] <Konam> benzon search for compiz and they should appera on the list
[07:06] <musikgoat> I'm having trouble keeping my clock correct when having it set to NTP.   when going to the time&date props and check different servers, but never does the time set correctly.
[07:06] <schreder> MilhousePunkRock, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40275/
[07:07] <benzon> Konam, hmmm they cant find them when i search only extras and main addons
[07:07] <MilhousePunkRock> schreder: Line 3 has it, you will need libcss
[07:07] <MilhousePunkRock> schreder: Which is illegal in some countries, by the way...
[07:08] <benzon> Konam, compiz-fusion-plugins-extra, compiz-fusion-plugins-main, compiz-plugins
[07:08] <milos83> when is rc going to be released?
[07:08] <Pici> !rc | milos83
[07:08] <ubotu> milos83: The Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon RC will be out 2 hours after the last person asked.
[07:08] <MilhousePunkRock> !rc | milos83
[07:08] <Konam> benzon my bad, they aren't in the gutsy repos
[07:08] <Hobbsee> !rc | milos83
[07:09] <benzon> Konam ;) will the Reppo for Feisty work or ?
[07:09] <schreder> MilhousePunkRock, eh.. why is that? :P
[07:09] <Hobbsee> hey, we didnt have anyone asking that for around half an hour it seems!  that was good!
[07:09] <milos83> thanks
[07:09] <schreder> so its illegal to play encrypted dvds?
[07:09] <virtuelv> does anyone know if some of the blacklisted cards in compiz-fusion are going to get off the blacklist before release?
[07:09] <virtuelv> schreder: only in the US
[07:09] <MilhousePunkRock> schreder: Well... Ask the industry, or the government... That does not hinder you from installing libcss, does it?
[07:09] <savvas> Hobbsee: haha, that was your part of ubotu's artificial intelligence I suppose :p
[07:10] <schreder> no.. i was just wandering why :D
[07:10] <Hobbsee> savvas: :)
[07:10] <Hobbsee> !ping
[07:10] <ubotu> pong
[07:10] <MilhousePunkRock> Weird enough that we are talking about _playing_ which should be your right if you bought/rented a DVD...
[07:10] <Konam> benzon it depends, if its the trevio repo I think they will not be installed. bizarre yea, but it happened to my trying to get his AWN build on gutsy
[07:10] <gabbarinho> so how come VLC is legal?
[07:11] <gabbarinho> it plays DVD without add-on codecs, doesn't it?
[07:11] <MilhousePunkRock> gabbarinho: You can purely use free codecs...
[07:11] <MilhousePunkRock> gabbarinho: Apparently not, ask schreder
[07:11] <gabbarinho> ah.
[07:11] <cyclonut> (VLC plays DVD's perfectly without addons for me...)
[07:11] <gabbarinho> I thought so
[07:11] <darkzero> Greeting all
[07:11] <savvas> cyclonut: encrypted ones?
[07:12] <benzon> Konam, okay - so did you get AWN to work on Gutsy then from the reppo ?
[07:12] <gabbarinho> aren't almost all DVDs encrypted?
[07:12] <cyclonut> savvas: well, any dvd on my shelf
[07:12] <gabbarinho> it seems to play all the movies I have
[07:12] <bazhang> darkzero: the experts are here now.
[07:12] <Konam> benzon no, I will build one myself
[07:12] <MilhousePunkRock> I never even tried to play DVDs on the PC... Not back in Windows, not here...
[07:12] <darkzero> thanks
[07:12] <benzon> Konam okay :)
[07:13] <gabbarinho> I used to back when DVD players were kind of expensive
[07:13] <cyclonut> I dont own a TV so I've not got much choice :-P
[07:13] <gabbarinho> still do sometimes
[07:14] <darkzero> So, is the RC1 releases and all bugs fix complete or almost?
[07:14] <MilhousePunkRock> Well, my girlfriend was sick lately, so we watched a DVD in bed lately... That was on her Windows laptop though, VLC popped right up and played it...
[07:14] <schreder> woohoo now I can play that dvd :D
[07:15] <MilhousePunkRock> darkzero: If there are no severe problems, the RC is identical to the final release...
[07:15] <MilhousePunkRock> schreder: libcss?
[07:15] <schreder> yeah
[07:15] <gabbarinho> is that already out?
[07:15] <schreder> why is it not in the repository?
[07:15] <gabbarinho> is it the RC that you're having the lid problem with, cyclo?
[07:16] <MilhousePunkRock> schreder: That should be in multiverse, I guess, along with the mp3 codec and such
[07:16] <cyclonut> I dont even think the RC is out yet
I see, but I hope they fix the sound problems which alot of people and myself been haivng.
[07:16] <cyclonut> gabbarinho: it is with all latest updates installed that I am having hte lid problem with, as well as kernel panics
[07:16] <schreder> MilhousePunkRock, i installed it with a script in libdvdread3 package
[07:16] <gabbarinho> what's your complaint with the RC?
[07:16] <xMoth> is it possible to test KDE4 in Gutsy?
[07:16] <gabbarinho> I forgot about the kernal panics
[07:17] <gabbarinho> must be frustrating for you
[07:17] <Matir`> cyclonut, when do you get kernel panics?
[07:17] <MilhousePunkRock> xMoth: Yes. Look at http://kubuntu.org in the KDE Beta release message
[07:17] <Pici> !kde4 | xMoth
[07:17] <ubotu> xMoth: KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php
[07:17] <cyclonut> Matir`: seemingly randomly... often with a java-based app running, frequently with Azureus, less so with Eclipse
[07:19] <cyclonut> tried swapping the java versions, from 1.6 to 1.5 with no improvement (though 1.5 uses less memory...)
[07:19] <MilhousePunkRock> cyclonut: Dump Azureus, it's bloatware... KTorrent is nice and slim
[07:19] <cyclonut> MilhousePunkRock: Dont really want to install the kde libs
[07:19] <MilhousePunkRock> cyclonut: Even torrent with Wine is better
[07:19] <gabbarinho> maybe open source software is just dodgy, like imported drugs from canada
[07:19] <bazhang> transmission is nice too
[07:19] <darkzero> if your using gnome desktop us deluge-torrent
[07:19] <darkzero> its the best
[07:19] <cyclonut> MilhousePunkRock: and utorrent (nice work on the mu symbol) doesn't work for me
[07:19] <MilhousePunkRock> bazhang: Isn't that for mac?
[07:19] <cyclonut> deluge eh
[07:19] <bazhang> and Linux
[07:20] <darkzero> use deluge-torrent
[07:20] <darkzero> I meant to say
[07:20] <gabbarinho> does anybody use Windows in VMware?
[07:20] <MilhousePunkRock> cyclonut: It's Alt-Gr+m here... I need it a lot for uni work... L and such
[07:20] <cyclonut> does deluge have some sort of peerblocker plugin?
[07:20] <darkzero> yeah it does
[07:20] <MilhousePunkRock> gabbarinho: I tried, required activation, never done it, now it's locked
[07:20] <cyclonut> MilhousePunkRock: got nothin
[07:20] <gabbarinho> ah
[07:20] <OldPink> Really need help with this guys, any ideas?
[07:20] <OldPink> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/127773
[07:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127773 in hal "A/C Status, CPU Temp, and Battery no longer recognized as present after upgrade to Gutsy in Dell Latitude L400" [Medium,Confirmed]
[07:21] <gabbarinho> I was wondering about the performance
[07:21] <gabbarinho> I still need Windows for a few things
[07:21] <MilhousePunkRock> gabbarinho: I got it to boot, at least. Network never worked for me... I never tried hard though...
[07:21] <gabbarinho> it does look a bit of work to set up
[07:21] <savvas> Hobbsee: can you check something for me, if it's correct or not? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/151605
[07:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151605 in ubuntu "initramfs-tools should be depending on util-linux package" [Undecided,New]
[07:21] <MilhousePunkRock> OldPink: Did you reboot? Happens to me all the time when hal is updated, goes away after reboot
[07:22] <gabbarinho> how's performance with WINE?
[07:22] <OldPink> Yeah, rebooted 3 times now
[07:22] <OldPink> MilhousePunkRock: Rebooted many times, at least once after each change
[07:22] <MilhousePunkRock> gabbarinho: Performance was a little worse than native, but not unusable in vmware...
[07:22] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I have to go now.
[07:22] <OldPink> MilhousePunkRock: WIll it be hal or hal-info based?
[07:22] <gabbarinho> only a little worse? that's better than I expected
[07:22] <DanaG> The best way to find a fast mirror is to google for "ubuntu mirrors", find one in your area, and try downloading something large.
[07:23] <Trewas> compiz does not support two monitor setups (configured as two separate X screens)? the first screens works ok but the second one is missing all window decorations
[07:23] <Hobbsee> savvas: no idea if that's correct
[07:23] <Hobbsee> savvas: should be under the source of whatever initramfs-tools is, though
[07:23] <xMoth> in some cases wine is better than windows
[07:23] <MilhousePunkRock> OldPink: No idea, I only noticed that the battery info disappears when hal is updated...
[07:23] <gabbarinho> tre, i have no idea how to do it, but i've seen youtube clips of compiz running on two monitors
[07:24] <gabbarinho> how does that work, moth?
[07:24] <xMoth> http://wiki.winehq.org/BenchMarks?action=show
[07:24] <MilhousePunkRock> gabbarinho: Won't that work automagically when you have a working dual-head setup?
[07:24] <xMoth> gabbarinho: http://wiki.winehq.org/BenchMarks?action=show
[07:24] <savvas> Hobbsee: initramfs-tools should be directly depending on util-linux then?
[07:24] <gabbarinho> i guess so, but Trewas says he has problems
[07:24] <Hobbsee> savvas: like i say, i dont know
[07:25] <savvas> Hobbsee: ok thanks :)
[07:25] <gabbarinho> interesting stuff, moth - thanks for the link
[07:25] <MilhousePunkRock> What happened to #ubuntu-effects ?
[07:25] <gnomefreak> MilhousePunkRock: its there
[07:25] <gabbarinho> i guess emulation has come a long way
[07:25] <MilhousePunkRock> Why does nobody use it then, gnomefreak ;)
[07:26] <gnomefreak> they do
[07:26] <gnomefreak> we do
[07:26] <gabbarinho> WINE's another thing I don't look forward to figuring out, though I'll have to do it
[07:26] <gnomefreak> MilhousePunkRock: right now people are kind of busy trying to get ubuntu gutsy so you can use it but im sure we can all stop fixing gutsy to support people in -effects
[07:26] <darkzero> Hmm, is there a way to upgrade all gnome app in feisty with gutsy?
[07:27] <Trewas> gabbarinho, MilhousePunkRock: I guess the problem is that I have configured dual-head as two separate screens (no way to move windows between screens etc), but that's for a reason because the second "monitor" is tv so I really want to keep them separate
[07:27] <gnomefreak> darkzero: upgrade to gutsy
[07:27] <MilhousePunkRock> gnomefreak: Not if I was to decide... I am not a big fan of all the effects...
[07:27] <gabbarinho> ah
[07:27] <gabbarinho> isn't there a #compiz-fusion?
[07:27] <gnomefreak> gabbarinho: yes
[07:27] <gnomefreak> and a #compiz
[07:27] <gabbarinho> they might know better :)
[07:27] <gnomefreak> and a bunch of others
[07:28] <darkzero> compiz-fusion need work and update the latest with compiz-fusion.org been releasing
[07:29] <mzuverink> I used aptitude to add xubuntu-desktop on a server install, how can I get it to totally remove everything xubuntu-desktop installed?
[07:30] <dennisharrison> hey guys, how can I turn off banshee from starting everytime I plug in a usb memory device?
does it really work?
[07:30] <gnomefreak> darkzero: does what really work?
[07:30] <gnomefreak> darkzero: gutys?
[07:30] <gnomefreak> gutsy
upgrtade gnome desktop on feisty from gutsy
[07:31] <gnomefreak> darkzero: gutsy works for some some it doesnt its not stable yet but will be in a week or 2
[07:31] <gnomefreak> darkzero: you have to upgrade your whole system not just gnome
[07:31] <gnomefreak> !upgrade | darkzero
[07:31] <ubotu> darkzero: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[07:32] <gabbarinho> is there any way to pull up a running program with a keyboard shortcut?
[07:32] <dennisharrison> alt tab? ;p
[07:32] <gabbarinho> say, if i had a firefox window with gmail running
[07:32] <xMoth> Why did they delete the Gutsy Betas from the servers?
[07:32] <dennisharrison> use opera if you want to leave something running gabbarinho
[07:32] <gabbarinho> yeah, well... an faster alternative to alt-tab :)
[07:32] <Theory> to make space for the upcoming release candidate
[07:32] <gabbarinho> opera is actually how i got the idea
[07:32] <dennisharrison> ff has memory leaks currently
Sa, do you have a sound problem when playing a cd or mkv and ogn video files?
[07:33] <dennisharrison> related to javascript
[07:33] <gabbarinho> i always have a google notebook open, and a g-mail, and a notepad, etc
[07:33] <dennisharrison> yeah use opera for those
[07:33] <dennisharrison> and then assign the shortcuts there
[07:33] <dennisharrison> I do the same
[07:33] <dennisharrison> have it all in another desktop
[07:33] <gabbarinho> if i could use the numpad to pull up any of those programs it'd be great
[07:33] <Pici> !enter | dennisharrison
[07:33] <ubotu> dennisharrison: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[07:33] <dennisharrison> thanks Pici
[07:33] <gabbarinho> i'm glad somebody else does it
[07:34] <gabbarinho> unfortunately opera doesn't really work with google notebook
[07:34] <dennisharrison> most of my friends have it setup like that too :)
[07:34] <dennisharrison> no?
[07:34] <gabbarinho> first, there's no plug-in
[07:34] <gabbarinho> it kind of works
[07:34] <gabbarinho> but some features are buggy or don't appear at all
[07:35] <dennisharrison> hmm, I know you could assign a shortcut key to a program but not sure about the tab.  Maybe they have an addon for that in ff ?
[07:36] <cyclonut> to switch to a certain tab in FF you can use ctrl + 1 or ctrl +2, etc
[07:36] <gabbarinho> good question
[07:36] <gabbarinho> oh, that's useful
[07:36] <gabbarinho> i am looking for a little more though
[07:36] <gabbarinho> i'd have to have that firefox window active
[07:37] <gabbarinho> i'm looking for a way to pull up window x at any time with the press of a key
[07:37] <dennisharrison> you could copy ff gabbarinho and have a different profile in use
[07:37] <gabbarinho> say, "4" brings up VLC player, "1" for the firefox window with gmail, etc
[07:37] <dennisharrison> then have that particular binary and profile for only your google stuff
[07:38] <gabbarinho> that sounds good, but i'm not sure what you mean :)
[07:38] <dennisharrison> anyone here have the quick way for disabling banshee from popping up everytime I plug a damn usb memory device in?
[07:39] <savvas> dennisharrison: system > preferences > removable device..
[07:39] <savvas> dennisharrison: removable drives and media, sorry
[07:39] <pookey> did the release candidate come out today?
[07:39] <savvas> dennisharrison: head to the multimedia tab and uncheck the last one
[07:40] <dennisharrison> gabbarinho, look at where firefox is on your system, copy it somewhere else, call it gfox or something, erase the profile from it, setup a new one call it googleizer or something, then setup the default tabs in there on start. make sure to call the binary something different (not sure it will work) and then you can just hot key that window.  It will still be ff, but just a different process with a different name, so you c
[07:40] <dennisharrison> an target it specifically
[07:40] <dennisharrison> savvas, thank you much :)  Just upgraded finally
[07:40] <xMoth> !rc | pookey
[07:40] <ubotu> pookey: The Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon RC will be out 2 hours after the last person asked.
[07:40] <gabbarinho> ah, I understand now
[07:40] <gabbarinho> it's not a bad idea
[07:41] <dennisharrison> its not a good idea either ;p
[07:41] <mzuverink> my server install(just installed)says release candidate already I believe
[07:41] <pookey> xMoth: I have a feeling that's meant to be witty, but it's phrased really badly, so I'm not sure ;)
[07:41] <xMoth> ^^
[07:41] <xMoth> I hope that it'll be released today
[07:41] <savvas> mzuverink: where does it say that?
[07:42] <mzuverink> how do you get a version output?
[07:42] <savvas> that's what I want to know ;)
[07:43] <IndyGunFreak> i want to know when gparted will be fixed in Gutsy..lol
[07:43] <pookey> xMoth: do you know where the changelog is?
[07:43] <pookey> ah, it'so k - I found it TI think
[07:43] <Pici> pookey: Why is it phrased bady?
[07:43] <Pici> badly even.
[07:44] <pookey> Pici: it makes me think someone just asked that question, and it's 2 hours since then.
[07:45] <Konam> savvas the command didn't did the trick, I'm still getting it: http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/3956/pantallazoml6.png
[07:45] <xMoth> i wonder that they didnt give a time ^^
[07:46] <pookey> and if it's that common a question today, it should probably be in teh topic anyway :)
[07:47] <fluffles> hi people, the 7.10-beta is gone, is the RC coming within hours or days?
[07:47] <MTecknology> how can I make that [...]  in lanuchpad so a bug i submit doesn't take 1/2 hour to read?
[07:47] <pookey> fluffles: 2 hours from just a few seconds ago as far as I can tell
[07:48] <Pici> !rc | fluffles :)
[07:48] <ubotu> fluffles :): The Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon RC will be out 2 hours after the last person asked.
[07:48] <savvas> Konam: remind me what the problem was
[07:48] <fluffles> ok then i'll wait for it
[07:48] <dennisharrison> free beer tomorrow
[07:48] <gabbarinho> how many people actually use ubuntu?
[07:48] <fluffles> lol
[07:48] <gabbarinho> or variants
[07:48] <dennisharrison> gabbarinho, about 3
[07:48] <fluffles> well i can't download the beta so thats kind of weird :)
[07:48] <pookey> dennisharrison: I think it was 4 at the last count
[07:49] <fluffles> "The beta images have been removed to make space on mirrors for the upcoming release candidate. Please check back soon."
[07:49] <hit> playing flash in firefox produces this: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[07:49] <hit> any ideas?
[07:49] <dennisharrison> pookey, yeah... very small user base.  Most people use slack.  It's the bomb
[07:49] <gabbarinho> those numbers sound inflated to me
[07:49] <pookey> dennisharrison: 'da bomb', obviuosly.
[07:49] <dennisharrison> pookey, clearly :)
[07:49] <Konam> savvas white slashes on the windows borders with compiz enabled, look at the image:  http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/3956/pantallazoml6.png
[07:50] <dennisharrison> Konam, that is a compiz thing
[07:50] <dennisharrison> what video driver?
[07:50] <Konam> dennisharrison nvidia, the one that gutsy installed
[07:50] <dennisharrison> Konam, what video card? is this on a laptop?
[07:51] <Konam> dennisharrison I know is a compiz thing but this happens to me on a default installation so this _will_ happen to some people whis the stable release
[07:51] <dennisharrison> and, what happens when you minimize the window then bring it back up?
[07:51] <savvas> Konam: apt-cache policy compiz, the installed and candidate versions?
[07:51] <Konam> no, is my desktop, nvidia fx5200 128MB
[07:52] <dennisharrison> what happens when you minimize and bring it back up?
[07:52] <Konam> savvas  Installed: 1:0.6.0+git20071008-0ubuntu1 Candidate: 1:0.6.0+git20071008-0ubuntu1
[07:53] <bastid_raZor> savvas: removing and reinstall nvidia-glx-new solved my problems
[07:53] <savvas> bastid_raZor: great!
[07:53] <IndyGunFreak> anyone know how to install avant window manager for gutsy?
[07:53] <dennisharrison> IndyGunFreak, compile it from source ?
[07:53] <bastid_raZor> savvas: yeah, if only now i could get my tweaks for dual monitors back in order ;)
[07:54] <IndyGunFreak> dennisharrison: guess i didn't think of that...lol,
[07:54] <IndyGunFreak> !avant
[07:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about avant - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:54] <Pici> IndyGunFreak: add: deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/syzygy42/ gutsy avant-window-navigator
[07:54] <Pici> and: deb-src http://download.tuxfamily.org/syzygy42/ gutsy avant-window-navigator
[07:54] <bastid_raZor> savvas: the toolbars top and bottom run through both screens when i want it to stay in the first only.
[07:54] <IndyGunFreak> pici
[07:54] <IndyGunFreak> Pici: ok
[07:54] <hetauma> hi
[07:54] <bastid_raZor> besides that small small issue.. all is great in land of gutsy
[07:54] <hetauma> is it possible to set different backgrounds for each workspace in compiz ?
[07:55] <savvas> bastid_raZor: maybe it's time for a bug report, or ask someone else, I have an old crt monitor :P
[07:55] <dennisharrison> bastid_raZor, I have the same, but I wanted it that way :)
[07:55] <savvas> Konam: without the compiz you don't have that problem, right?
[07:55] <Konam> savvas right
[07:56] <bastid_raZor> dennisharrison: i tend to keep several things in my 2nd monitor that i want to use that little extra bit of desk space
[07:56] <dennisharrison> savvas, correct, the problem he has is from the card and driver combination, but it is really a compiz bug
[07:56] <bastid_raZor> plus, i dislike how it puts some dialog windows in both windows
[07:56] <Col-Panic> !rc
[07:56] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon RC will be out 2 hours after the last person asked.
[07:56] <dennisharrison> Konam, update the nvidia driver and see if that does it, if not I will help you disable some vertex options
[07:57] <bastid_raZor> savvas: thanks for all the help earlier. i'm not sure if that is a bug or how my xorg.conf is tweaked.. i have a friend who will help shortly
[07:57] <a-v> !rc
[07:57] <dennisharrison> bastid_raZor, yeah hrmm... not sure compiz supports that?
[07:57] <hetauma> what is rc ?
[07:57] <dennisharrison> remote control
[07:57] <Pici> hetauma: release candidate
[07:57] <bastid_raZor> dennisharrison: in fiesty i had it working like a charm and at this moment i'm running emerald --replace with zero issues
[07:57] <Col-Panic> really cool
[07:57] <dennisharrison> Pici, shhhh ;p
[07:57] <dennisharrison> Col-Panic, lol
[07:57] <Pici> :p
[07:58] <Konam> dennisharrison update it? if there is an update ubuntu will notify me...
[07:58] <hetauma> Pici, for the next release? after gutsy ?
[07:58] <dennisharrison> bastid_raZor, you are a better man then I when it comes to that then :)  Wish I could help
[07:58] <Konam> dennisharrison I've checked it and there aren't any updates
[07:58] <Pici> hetauma: er, no for Gutsy
[07:58] <Pici> !rc | hetauma
[07:58] <ubotu> hetauma: The Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon RC will be out 2 hours after the last person asked.
[07:58] <Stevethepirate> Hi, my Xserver has crashed, attempts to start in "low graphics" mode.. but is fail.
[07:58] <Stevethepirate> any help?
[07:58] <dennisharrison> Konam, get the binary driver from nvidia
[07:58] <hetauma> ty
[07:58] <bastid_raZor> dennisharrison: i sorta cheated. i have a friend who is a mac freak who likes to tinker with linux.
[07:58] <dennisharrison> Stevethepirate, fail as in?  What does the log say?
[07:59] <savvas> Konam: have you posted the bug yet? http://bugs.ubuntu.com
[07:59] <dennisharrison> bastid_raZor, his name isn't bitmonk huh? ;p
[07:59] <Stevethepirate> dennisharrison: the log reports no EE's or WW
[07:59] <Stevethepirate> but X doesn't start properly.
[07:59] <Stevethepirate> Like.
[07:59] <Stevethepirate> -Doesn't start-
[07:59] <Col-Panic>  /leave
[07:59] <dennisharrison> Stevethepirate, any help in error messages?
[07:59] <Konam> savvas no, I thought it will have a workaround or something
[07:59] <Stevethepirate> None whatsoever
[07:59] <savvas> Col-Panic: the exit is on your left ;)
[07:59] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: i fixed my issues. apt-get remove nvidia* then install nvidia-glx-new and all the recommended things it wants
[08:00] <savvas> Konam: I think it's a bug, try and report it
[08:00] <Stevethepirate> bastid_raZor: sure?
[08:00] <Col-Panic> savvas: I was hoping somebody else tried that as well ;)
[08:00] <dennisharrison> Stevethepirate, wow, ok, have you tried dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver yet?
[08:00] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: what i found out is you need to reinstall nvidia drivers.. and Yes.. i had your same issue an hour ago
[08:00] <dennisharrison> Konam, before you report the bug try to update your video drivers
[08:00] <dennisharrison> Konam, so you have something to report
[08:01] <Stevethepirate> dennisharrison: about 10^4 times
[08:01] <dennisharrison> Stevethepirate, ahh well then check out what bastid_raZor said then.  I was just shooting in the dark ;p
[08:01] <Konam> dennisharrison is the same version: NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.19-pkg1
[08:01] <fangorious> I used to have some custom modelines in my xorg.conf in feisty which at some point stopped being recognized. In gutsy I can use xrandr --newmode and xrandr --addmode to enable those resolutions, but I have to do it every time I boot. What's the way to add local startup stuff using upstart?
[08:01] <Stevethepirate> dennisharrison: doing so..
[08:02] <dennisharrison> Konam, from nvidias website?
[08:02] <Stevethepirate> sighs
[08:02] <Konam> dennisharrison yes
[08:02] <Stevethepirate> okaty
[08:02] <Stevethepirate> updating.. 4meg sec apt-get ftw
[08:02] <lee__> ahh
[08:02] <dennisharrison> Konam, try a beta driver, or roll back one to see if the behavior changes, or at least be extremely specific in your bug report
[08:02] <lee__> the right place
[08:02] <Stevethepirate> lols
[08:02] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: aptitude install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-generic linux-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic nvidia-glx-new nvidia-kernel-common
[08:02] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: those are all the files i reinstalled
[08:03] <Stevethepirate> bastid_raZor: wait.. apt-get nvidia-glx-new
[08:03] <Stevethepirate> as you said
[08:03] <Stevethepirate> can you pm them to me?
[08:03] <Stevethepirate> so i don't lose the list
[08:03] <dennisharrison> Stevethepirate, just do them all at one time ;p
[08:03] <lee__> eh I have an anti Card should I load my drivers from ati, which I seem to get flack when I do, or how or waht should I load?
[08:03] <lee__> ati x300
[08:03] <savvas> mzuverink: lsb_release -a
[08:03] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: apt-get aptitude both install the same.
[08:04] <Stevethepirate> yeah
[08:04] <Stevethepirate> i know
[08:04] <Konam> dennisharrison I will back one
[08:04] <Stevethepirate> 95% downloaded
[08:04] <dennisharrison> Konam, ok, let me know I will be idling.  I know I can help you fix it
[08:04] <Stevethepirate> gtf0 netsplit
[08:05] <Konam> dennisharrison ok, thanks. you experience something similar?
[08:05] <lee__> eh might i get an asnwer fer a sec lol
[08:05] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: restricted drivers nvidia should be in use after you finish the set up of nvidia drivers.
[08:05] <Stevethepirate> yeah...
[08:05] <dennisharrison> Konam, I used to do a bunch of plugin code for emerald
[08:05] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: after they install restart X and fingers crossed that should be it
[08:05] <dennisharrison> Konam, did you get my /msg ?
[08:05] <lee__> eh how do i set up the ati drivers? or should i go wiith the ones from ati?
[08:06] <Stevethepirate> bastid_raZor: reboot
[08:06] <Konam> dennisharrison one more thing, this is happening on a fresh installation so if it isn't adressed before the stable release some people might get it too
[08:06] <Stevethepirate> or sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[08:06] <dennisharrison> lee__, I don't have any ati stuff here, but as far as I can tell you should use the ati drivers
[08:06] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: restart of X should be fine.
[08:06] <Stevethepirate> nah
[08:06] <Stevethepirate> its not working
[08:06] <dennisharrison> Konam, exactly why we want to find the resolution :)  Then you can file a truly helpful bug report
[08:06] <Stevethepirate> let me restart
[08:06] <lee__> eh the ones from ati? or from here?
[08:06] <Stevethepirate> brb
[08:06] <benzon> how do i refresh locate database?
[08:07] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: you have to do the nvidia setup
[08:07] <Konam> dennisharrison ok, let me restart x
[08:07] <fangorious> benzon, sudo updatedb
[08:07] <dennisharrison> lee__, I don't know what ati packaged gutsy has, but I would google it first.  If you can't find a satisfactory answer then use the ones ati provides
[08:07] <lee__> eh isnt there a - after update?
[08:07] <lee__> ahh ok
[08:07] <benzon> codeset.m4 gettext.m4 glibc21.m4 iconv.m4 isc-posix.m4 lcmessage.m4
[08:07] <benzon>   progtest.m4 --trying to find thes files need them to configure compiz-fusion unsupported
[08:09] <Stevethepirate> bastid_raZor: naught.. doesn't work.
[08:10] <Stevethepirate> phailure
[08:10] <lee__> eh changing or to the drive brb
[08:10] <bastid_raZor>  :|
[08:10] <The_Viper> so.. about that rc :P
[08:10] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: were you using nvidia-glx-new before gutsy?
[08:10] <darkzero> I figure what wrong with my sound
[08:10] <darkzero> I just report a bug already
[08:10] <Stevethepirate> bastid_raZor: yeah.. think so.
[08:11] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: i'm at a loss.. that is how my issue was fixed
[08:11] <darkzero> Its the new rhythmbox music player that has a cracking bass in the background
[08:11] <Stevethepirate> bastid_raZor: if i wasn't using nvidia-glx-new before ?
[08:12] <Stevethepirate> let me dpkg
[08:12] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: then you should not went with nvidia-glx-new this time.. one of the other versions of the driver
[08:12] <Stevethepirate> whats the command..
[08:12] <Stevethepirate> xserver dpkg one.
[08:13] <Stevethepirate> ...?
[08:13] <Pici> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[08:13] <Stevethepirate> yeah
[08:13] <Stevethepirate> sweet
[08:14] <bastid_raZor> if i'm missing the icon on my toolbar for sound control.. i do i get that back? alsamixer works CLI so i do have sound functioning
[08:14] <bastid_raZor> wait wait.. i found it :)
[08:14] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: it works??
[08:15] <hit> anyone knows why playing flash in firefox produces this: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave?
[08:15] <dennisharrison> hit, try OSS?
[08:16] <hit> how should i change it?
[08:18] <hit> changed everything in gnome-sound-properties to OSS, but same error
[08:19] <lee__> ok i am back
[08:19] <lee__> this is so woerd
[08:19] <bastid_raZor> to chmod an entire directory 755 i would chmod -R 755 directory ?
[08:19] <lee__> wierd
[08:19] <cyclonut> bastid_raZor: yes
[08:19] <savvas> bastid_raZor: correct
[08:19] <Stevethepirate> bastid_raZor: okay, dpkg worked oaky
[08:19] <Stevethepirate> i've got x back now
[08:20] <Stevethepirate> but its screwed
[08:20] <lee__> same computer 2 separate hdd same disk, one Ide and the sata, sata has effects the Ide don't
[08:20] <bastid_raZor> nice, rhythmbox now tells me why it can not import and permissions is the reason :)
[08:20] <cyclonut> hooray for new version of intel vid driver
[08:20] <cyclonut> brb
[08:20] <lee__> lol
[08:21] <enyc> bastid_raZor: I think so
[08:21] <lee__> that did my graphics in on my ide
[08:21] <enyc> bastid_raZor: some things use -r some things use -R
[08:21] <enyc> bastid_raZor: which is confusing ;-)
[08:21] <bastid_raZor>  -R will chmod the directories below it as well?
[08:21] <lee__> this is so wierd
[08:21] <enyc> bastid_raZor: well any files/dirs underneath
[08:21] <enyc> bastid_raZor:
[08:21] <benzon> Need some helt now trying to configure unsupported packet but i get a stopper some where installed the build packet - checking for COMPIZ... configure: error: Package requirements (compiz) were not met:
[08:22] <lee__> hmm I didnt even get that on my ide drive
[08:22] <lee__> I just got...can't change
[08:22] <bastid_raZor> enyc: thanks
[08:23] <enyc> lee__: ive had some weird things with disk interfaces
[08:23] <enyc> lee__: had one that was fixed by bios upgrade.......
[08:23] <lee__> oh say how can I cahnge my setting to 85?
[08:23] <enyc> lee__: ??my setting??
[08:24] <lee__> eh no I need to dig deeper then my settings lol
[08:24] <enyc> lee__: dont understand
[08:24] <Stevethepirate> Sighs
[08:24] <lee__> really enyc..that is iwerd
[08:24] <filthpig> Hi, I'm having a slight problem with my wireless connection. I have a Linksys WUSB54GC device, which uses the rt73 chipset (and rt73usb driver). In Feisty it didn't work at all, but now in Gutsy it does :)  But there are a few bugs: When I turn on my computer I have to wait for a few minutes before the Network Manager asks for the wep key (It never remembers the wep-key). Sometimes the device just stops working. To get it to work I have to u
[08:24] <enyc> lee__: hrrm ... its definitely happened to me tho.. ;-)
[08:24] <lee__> I  need to go into  the prgram its self to change the setting to 85 mhz
[08:25] <benzon> Is there gonna be a reppo with Compiz-Fusion Packs avalible for Gutsy ?
[08:25] <lee__> I have an hour glass sahpe on the screen and I don't want to kill my one and only monitor lol
[08:25] <Pici> benzon: c-f is in gutsy by default.
[08:25] <lee__> enyc, Maybe that is waht happend to me lol
[08:25] <enyc> lee__: note that feisty/gutsy introduce more "libata" drivers that represent PATA (''ide'') drives as  /dev/sd? "scsi" devices  rather than /dev/hd? "wd1003/ide" type devices
[08:25] <filthpig> Can anyone help me out? dmesg also gives an error frequently: [ 9450.707111]  phy3 -> rt2x00usb_vendor_request: Error - Vendor Request 0x07 failed for offset 0x308c with error -110.
[08:25] <benzon> Pici, i know but not the unsupported plugins
[08:26] <enyc> lee__: i.e. have 'new drivers' for some PATA(''ide'') controllers, so may change things from edgy/before...
[08:26] <lee__> ahh, ok well its calling my sata a scsi
[08:26] <enyc> lee__: always does
[08:26] <lee__> lol
[08:26] <enyc> lee__: but Pata('ide') may be "hd?" or "sd?"
[08:26] <enyc> lee__: ieee1934/usb are "sd?" as well...
[08:27] <lee__> ahhh, I realsied that when I found out taht I was loading to my Sd card
[08:27] <lee__> ohh
[08:27] <bastid_raZor> yuk, low power surges..
[08:27] <lee__> OOOHH serial devices not...eh ok I understnad
[08:27] <lee__> eh
[08:27] <lee__> I am using a 12volt inverter taht steps it up to 120
[08:28] <lee__> uses less juice, cheapr elctric bill lol
[08:28] <databuddy> do i really need trackerd?
[08:28] <databuddy> the thing just gobbles up ram...
[08:29] <lee__> ok my other question then is how do I go into the program its self to set my refresh rate manualy?
[08:29] <lee__> evanlec you sure do get around lol
[08:29] <databuddy> in compiz?
[08:30] <databuddy> ccsm > general settings
[08:30] <databuddy> look for vert refresh
[08:30] <Evanlec> lee__, im not sure how to take that ;p
[08:30] <John64> does anyone know when RC is going on the mirrors
[08:30] <lee__> I under stand frequnceis
[08:30] <databuddy> ..........
[08:31] <lee__> eh waht about terminal?
[08:31] <Pici> databuddy: ?
[08:31] <lee__> Iam talking about getting to the "Heart" of the issue
[08:31] <databuddy> Pici ?
[08:31] <Pici> databuddy: What was the ........ for?
[08:31] <databuddy> forget it....
[08:31] <lee__> going in the e.org file
[08:32] <lee__> eh x.org
[08:32] <Evanlec> is there a way to have vim work in sort of "real-time" mode, i want it to write the file out basically everytime i make a change (doing css and saving it a thousand times to test things is annoying)
[08:32] <lee__> I did once but ost my notes
[08:32] <Col-Panic> !rc | John64
[08:32] <ubotu> John64: The Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon RC will be out 2 hours after the last person asked.
[08:32] <databuddy> lol
[08:33] <lee__> lol
[08:33] <databuddy> we're scr3wed then D:
[08:33] <addos> when is the rc going to get released?
[08:33] <databuddy> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[08:33] <Pici> Evanlec: Have you asked in #vim or #ubuntu-offtopic ?
[08:33] <xMoth> looooooool
[08:33] <databuddy> we had like 45 sec to go that time too....
[08:33] <Evanlec> Pici, no i spose i will do that
[08:33] <lee__> ok heres a better explanation, How to I edit the guts of x.org file folder that contians the video driovers
[08:34] <addos> is it now? How about now? Now?!?! Maybe? Sorta kinda? How about now?
[08:34] <databuddy> sudo dpgk-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:34] <databuddy> !xorg
[08:34] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:34] <Col-Panic> Somebody should create a dummy project called "rc" and release it
[08:34] <addos> ha
[08:34] <enyc> Hrrrm.... what are the "base" packages that gutsy x86 normally installs?
[08:34] <Col-Panic> This way we can claim everybody's asking for that project
[08:34] <lee__> eh
[08:34] <enyc> I do not have linux 2.6.22 at the moment... I want to know what 'base' packages the gutsy installer normally puts on
[08:35] <lee__> Ijust want to edit the drivers not the entire thing lol
[08:35] <Pici> lee__: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:35] <xMoth> where will the rc be released?
[08:35] <Pici> ..
[08:35] <Pici> oh
[08:35] <Pici> where
[08:35] <lee__> ahhhhhhh 8 shouts THATS ZIT LOL
[08:36] <xMoth> at http://releases.ubuntu.com or at http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/
[08:36] <Col-Panic> Why will the RC be released?
[08:36] <Stevethepirate> Sighs
[08:36] <xMoth> LoLmaybe ther is no RC
[08:37] <Stevethepirate> Why does my mp3 support for amarok fail when on gutsy?
[08:37] <xMoth> *there
[08:37] <Pici> Stevethepirate: fail? I havent had any issues with it
[08:37] <addos> we need mark shuttleworth to come in here and set the record straight
[08:37] <Stevethepirate> Pici: well.
[08:38] <Stevethepirate> Mp3's were working for me on feisty
[08:38] <Stevethepirate> but now don't work
[08:38] <Stevethepirate> on gutsy
[08:38] <addos> I've had the codec installer crash for me
[08:38] <addos> on beta 1
[08:38] <addos> hopefully RC/Final will be more stable
[08:39] <xMoth> my mp3's work on gutsy
[08:39] <dennisharrison> addos, yeah, beta and rc are going to have a world of difference between them in stability ;p
[08:39] <addos> sweet
[08:39] <bastid_raZor> Stevethepirate: you may need to reinstall codecs
[08:39] <Stevethepirate> dennisharrison: hope so.
[08:39] <bastid_raZor> i'm having the same issues with rhythmbox
[08:39] <dennisharrison> Stevethepirate, just reinstall all the codecs
[08:39] <Pici> Stevethepirate: Is this an upgrade or a fresh install?
[08:39] <Stevethepirate> upgrade
[08:39] <John64> rc is up!!!
[08:40] <John64> ish
[08:40] <Col-Panic> ;)
[08:40] <bastid_raZor> what does tracker do? besides take large chunks of my RAM?
[08:40] <xMoth> YEAH rc is UP
[08:40] <skinnypuppy34> I'd like to know the same
[08:40] <`Matir> where is rc?
[08:41] <xMoth> @ http://releases.ubuntu.com/
[08:41] <avatar_> hmm, nl.releases is not in sync yet
[08:42] <Col-Panic> de is
[08:42] <xMoth> im loading it from http://releases.ubuntu.com/gutsy. It's very fast. 1600KB/s
[08:42] <John64> is there going to be much difference between RC and Final?
[08:42] <`Matir> John64, not unless things are broken.
[08:42] <xMoth> John64: Hopefully not
[08:42] <OldPin1> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=573360
[08:42] <OldPin1> any ideas at all?
[08:43] <chrisn_> Not sure if anyone is interested but I managed to fix the compiz problem I was having.  Needed to remove xserver-xgl.
[08:43] <Ximal> hey guys.. i just let my screensaver startup and it killed an app..
[08:43] <Ximal> i was using k9 copy
[08:43] <chrisn_> Runs like a dream again
[08:43] <John64> so it is safe to install RC and just aptitude upgrade later
[08:43] <Pici> It should be
[08:43] <Ximal> does that mean it's stillrunning ?  i don't see it in system monitor though
[08:43] <darkzero> gutsy missing libxine-extracodecs
[08:43] <kingrayray> Does anybody use MPD?
[08:44] <xMoth> yeah i'll have the RCin 5 mins
[08:44] <chrisn_> On a related note does anyone know why emerald doesn't have any themes anymore?
[08:45] <John64> xMoth: which mirror
[08:45] <xMoth> http://releases.ubuntu.com/
[08:45] <darkzero> chrism, install emerald-themes
[08:46] <John64> thanks, iwas looking at cdimage
[08:46] <OldPink> When I use  2.6.22-14-generic, there's no battery information, the battery isn't recognized, it's always "on AC power" It's fine in 2.6.20-16-generic. Help?
[08:46] <chrisn_> <-Working slow today Darkzero, thanks
[08:46] <Ximal> anyone ?
np
[08:48] <xMoth> still 1.5misleft
[08:48] <John64> !rc
[08:48] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon RC will be out 2 hours after the last person asked.
[08:48] <xMoth> lol ubotu is wrong
[08:48] <chrisn_> darkzero hmmm that must not be in the default repository.  I am not seeing it
[08:48] <PriceChild> xMoth, ubotu is never wrong
[08:48] <Col-Panic> Ximal: Was the app attacking the screen?
[08:48] <kingrayray> chrisn_: you could always get themes manually from gnome-look.org :-)
[08:49] <chrisn_> That's what I was gonna do
[08:49] <xMoth> ^^
make sure you repository unverse is check
[08:50] <letalis> anyone have a release date for gutsy officially?
universe is check I meant
[08:50] <xMoth> !wiki GUtsy Gibbon
[08:51] <Col-Panic> latalis: Should be next week
[08:51] <xMoth> !wiki GutsyGibbon
[08:51] <letalis> !wiki gutsy gibbon
[08:51] <Pici> there is no !wiki
[08:51] <Pici> letalis: 18th
[08:51] <letalis> lol
[08:51] <darkzero> RC will release soon
[08:51] <Pici> darkzero: its out
[08:51] <letalis> yeah obotu told me he isnt that intelligent.
[08:51] <letalis> :)
[08:51] <Pici> !rc
[08:51] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon (7.10) *RC* information and release notes can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/710rc - ISOs and Torrents at http://releases.ubuntu.com/gutsy/ - If you regularly update, then you're running the latest version - This is development software and as such unstable, support *ONLY* in #ubuntu+1
[08:51] <xMoth> RC is out NOW
it not in the cdimage.ubuntu.com yet
[08:52] <Pici> darkzero: http://releases.ubuntu.com/gutsy/
[08:53] <TheInfinity> hmm
[08:53] <TheInfinity> next try booting ubuntu instead of mac osx for testing? :)
oh ok
thanks
[08:56] <letalis> so far im liking gutsy, other than the minor inconvienence of no framebuffer support that works in the console and compiz dying on occasion
[08:56] <darkzero> dvd version of rc isn't out yet
[08:56] <darkzero> maybe later on
[08:58] <doug1> is anyone else having problems with hamachi on gusty?
[08:58] <letalis> all i know is back in 1999 when i first started messing with linux i never imagined that there would ever be a distro that was so easy to get setup and yet not sacrifice anything in the way of advanced stuff
[09:02] <Konam> dennisharrison did you get my msg?
[09:03] <darkzero> haha, I just resolve the libxine-extracodecs problem
[09:04] <kingrayray> letalis: hehe i started with Gentoo, thinking it would fit my power-user needs best, but now ubuntu is where it's at :)!
[09:04] <Skelet0n> my wireless in gusty will not work
[09:04] <Skelet0n> i need help!
[09:05] <letalis> gentoo has a neat perspective on the linux distro, build it from scratch on your own box so everything is custom tailored to your setup
[09:05] <Skelet0n> anybody?
[09:06] <Skelet0n> !network