[00:30] <arcana> I have an account https://launchpad.net/~arcana,  how to get a cloak @ubuntu/member/?
[00:31] <m4v> !member | arcana
[00:31] <arcana> m4v: tks
[00:32] <m4v> arcana: you're welcome.
[00:32] <arcana> m4v: thank you
[00:42] <arcana> m4v: We can talk in private?
[00:44] <m4v> arcana: sure, I don't mind.
[00:44] <arcana> :)
[01:03] <nhandler> popey, pleia2: I updated that wiki page to try and make it a bit more clear that contributions aren't limited to those made in core channels. Feel free to play with the wording to clarify it more if you think it is necessary
[15:22] <Nafallo> hi. anyone from irc council here?
[15:28] <Pici> Nafallo: Yes sir.
[15:28] <vish> Nafallo: they hang out here, there is also -irc-council
[15:28] <vish> oops, Pici is awake.. :)
[15:29] <Nafallo> Pici: I wonder if we could make #ubuntu-se-mote a bit more uniform to the rights of #ubuntu-se. a good start would be removing sebastean from being founder.
[15:29] <Nafallo> he's look time MIA and not in the loco anymore.
[15:30] <Nafallo> the rest of the ops also have a lot of flags I'm not sure what they are, but I can fix that if I can be founder for that channel instead of sebastean.
[15:30] <Nafallo> (access list rights, all of this)
[15:31] <Pici> Nafallo: Just a moment..
[15:32] <Nafallo> sure.
[15:32] <Pici> Nafallo: Is 'mote' the offtopic channel? or something else?
[15:32] <Nafallo> Pici: meeting channel.
[15:32] <Pici> Ah.
[15:33] <Nafallo> it looks like the loco is finally starting to have such things again ;-)
[15:33] <Nafallo> so having a former TL from 4 years ago as founder is hurting us.
[15:34] <Pici> Nafallo: Are you the current team lead?
[15:35] <Nafallo> Pici: nope, HakanS is. I'm in charge of the IRC channels though, with a bunch of ops to help me.
[15:35] <Nafallo> team leads are on half year rotation, so it doesn't make sense to have them as founder.
[15:36] <Pici> Nafallo: Okay, you have +F there, so you should be able to manage the rest of the access.  I've changed sebastean to just +votiA.
[15:36] <Nafallo> Pici: thank you very much! I'll make sure to streamline our channels now.
[15:37] <Nafallo> Pici: I did see the council having rights there. is that something we should have in all our channels perhaps? maybe not as founder, but successor?
[15:38] <Nafallo> just in case I get ran over by a bus and the other successor would as well! :-P
[15:38] <Pici> Nafallo: Yes, that would be best, just in case we need to do something. We can always request that status from freenode if needed though, although that takes a little bit longer.
[15:39] <Nafallo> Pici: yeah. I rather have it set in the list I think. thanks muchly! :-)
[15:40] <Nafallo> Pici: one other question actually. is there anything you can't do if I remove just the F?
[15:43] <Pici> Nafallo: Grant other people +F, remove your +F ;)
[15:43] <Pici> +f is fine though :)
[15:43] <ubot4`> In #ubuntu-irc, Pici said: +f is fine though :)
[15:43] <Pici> ubot4`: yes, thanks.
[15:43] <ubot4`> Factoid 'yes, thanks.' not found
[15:44] <Nafallo> hahaha
[15:44] <Nafallo> that made me laugh!
[15:44] <Nafallo> I'm fine with escalating to FreeNode staff for removing my +F :-)
[17:47] <m4v> make a note of stturf in #ubuntu, I have been banning him from u-es since yesterday due to flooding attempts.
[17:57] <IdleOne> m4v: will do. thanks


[00:26] <ir1844_> hello
[00:27] <ir1844_> im running ubuntu 10.10 and its not reading my cdrom and sony cd burner
[00:28] <CrazyLemon> this is not ubuntu support channel.. try #ubuntu :)
[00:28] <ir1844_> how do i get that i have xchat
[00:28] <CrazyLemon> type
[00:28] <CrazyLemon> /join #ubuntu
[00:28] <ir1844_> thanks brother
[00:28] <CrazyLemon> no problem mate
[00:29] <ir1844_> what channel is this for?
[00:31] <ir1844_> what room is this?
[00:31] <CrazyLemon> as you can see in the topic this is #ubuntu-locoteams
[00:32] <ir1844_> so my question is should i be here or no?
[00:32] <CrazyLemon> no..like i said .. join #ubuntu and ask your question there
[02:51] <nigelb> mhall119: ping? (Just pong when you wake up) :)
[06:47] <YoBoY> good morning
[08:04] <dholbach> good morning!
[08:12] <jarlen> Goodmorning
[09:46] <toabctl> hi
[12:46] <Saikat_> hello
[12:47] <Saikat_> hello
[12:53] <mhall119> nigelb: pong
[12:53] <mhall119> morning all
[15:31] <dholbach> mhall119, how's the django-foundations coming on?
[15:42] <mhall119> dholbach: I haven't had a chance to do much with it except that initial branch of mine
[15:42] <mhall119> I just need a name to setup a launchpad project for it
[15:43] <dholbach> it looks good, although I'd probably move the language/country models into isocodes/
[15:43] <mhall119> yeah, that's the plan
[15:43] <dholbach> ok
[16:39] <sense> JanC: Will Ubuntu BE be present at FOSSDEM?
[22:02] <paultag> howdy Ddorda
[23:13] <trinikrono> hello guys is there a irc for the shipit team?
[23:14] <trinikrono> i am trying to get cds for my loco but our loco is not approved yet


[15:12] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[17:54] -queuebot:#kubuntu-devel- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Impish Final] (20211011.1) has been added
[19:09] <valorie> woah!
[19:14] <blaze> huh?
[20:55] <mparillo> Looks like final testing: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/428/builds
[21:10] <mparillo> Wow is zsyncing slow.


[01:54] <Nullvoid> hi all, how can I set nautilus to be the default file manager? The prefered applications menu isn't working.
[01:58] <drc> I wouldn't recomend it, but http://askubuntu.com/questions/74534/set-nautilus-as-default-file-manager-in-xubuntu
[02:00] <Nullvoid> drc: i'd be happy to stick with Thunar but it cant share files or folders
[02:01] <drc> Nullvoid: Can you say "gigolo" ?
[02:02] <Unit193> To help, that's a program name in the menu.
[02:02] <Nullvoid> drc: that cant share either, its just a fancy front end for connecting to other shares by the looks of it
[02:02] <Nullvoid> Unit193: ha yeah thx, i got that
[02:05] <Unit193> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1670223 just for an idea.
[02:09] <Nullvoid> Unit193: i've already got nautilus installed and used to to setup the shares and make sure everything is working, i've set it to default in the pref apps under system settings, but the desktop launcher wont respect the default settings and still launches Thunar. There is no way I've found to change the desktop shortcut to point to nautilus manually.
[02:10] <Nullvoid> Unit193: so I'm looking for a way to edit the default applications associations by hand
[02:10] <Unit193> Right, you logged out and back in again?  Xfdesktop may not like that as much, and there may be more to set in update-alternatives.
[02:13] <Nullvoid> yeah even rebooted, no change.
[04:13] <neoweng> Hello, everyone
[04:27] <neoweng> my laptop has installed Xubuntu12.04, and there's no sound from the speaker but I can hear the sound from the headset, does anyone hit the same problem?
[04:29] <isacking> hi , neoweng, I think you should ask this question in #ubuntu channel
[04:32] <Unit193> Why?  This is the Xubuntu support channel.
[04:32] <Unit193> neoweng: You unplug the headset?
[04:34] <neoweng> Unit, I can't hear the sound when unpluging the headset
[04:46] <Unit193> Alright, this is two different output jacks?
[04:46] <Unit193> Speakers are turned on?
[04:49] <neoweng> Yes, When I loged in the Windows system on the same laptop, the built-in speaker works normally, but there's no sound from it when on the xubuntu system
[04:50] <Unit193> I would check the pulseaudio control program, and in alsamixer for the correct levels.
[04:51] <Unit193> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting This as well.
[04:55] <pinkfrost> Hi, I have Xubuntu 12.04 and my desktop wallpaper keeps resetting to the default every time I log out, just wondering if anybody might know why
[04:57] <Unit193> Check permissions on your home folder items, more so of ~/.config  and I'd recommend deleteing ~/.cache  and making sure it's not set to save on logout.
[04:57] <Unit193> (Or you could set it to save on one logout, actually)
[04:58] <pinkfrost> thanks, checked the ownership on those but I'll try deleting the cache
[04:58] <pinkfrost> I turned on automatic session saving on logout but to no avil
[04:58] <pinkfrost> avail*
[04:59] <isacking> My system is Xubuntu 12.04 x64. After updated to newest kernel, I found my login dialog windows can not aligned to center. Dose anyone know what happened?
[05:19] <isacking> hi pinkfrost, I have meet the same problem like you.
[05:20] <pinkfrost> chromium asks me every time I log in if I should make it the default browser too
[05:20] <pinkfrost> upon starting it that is
[05:20] <isacking> pinkfrost: In fact, that picture is the background of login dialog.
[05:21] <pinkfrost> yeah
[05:22] <isacking> pinkfrost: Your can find the default picture, delete it and create a link file linking to the the picture you want.
[05:22] <pinkfrost> ooh
[05:22] <pinkfrost> good idea
[05:22] <pinkfrost> I wonder what causes it to occur initially
[05:24] <isacking> pinkfrost: The default picture is in /usr/share/xfce4/backdrops
[05:25] <pinkfrost> thanks!
[06:15] <hermanlf> how can I change the font size of window title bars?
[06:16] <isacking> ask +1
[06:18] <Unit193> isacking: Ask +1?
[06:18] <Unit193> hermanlf: Menu > Settings > Settings Manager > Window Manager
[06:20] <hermanlf> Unit193, : Window manager shows me no settings.  Do I have to install anything or is it because I am running compiz?
[06:21] <isacking> Unit193: I mean I have the same problem.
[06:21] <Sysi> for changing compiz settings you need compizconfig-settings-manager
[06:21] <Unit193> hermanlf: No settings at all?  That sounds a bit odd, I haven't used compiz, but I could give you a shot of what I do have.
[06:22] <hermanlf> yup, no settings in the window. Very odd indeed.
[06:22] <xubuntu814> Hello :)
[06:23] <isacking> xubuntu814: hello
[06:24] <xubuntu814> isacking: i'm rather inexperienced with linux other than ubuntu 11.04.
[06:24] <Sysi> or in window titlebar case it depends about what you use for decoration, you need to use emerald settings or gconf-editor
[06:24] <xubuntu814> that's ok for full desktops and computers.
[06:25] <hermanlf> I am using greybird
[06:25] <xubuntu814> my question is can i install/run xubuntu 12+ on an '01 compaq armada m300?
[06:26] <xubuntu814> p3m-600, 320mb ram, 40gb hdd, originally a dual-boot win nt4/win2k pro system.
[06:26] <isacking> Unit193: It works. I don't use compiz, either.
[06:28] <hermanlf> gonna disable compiz and see if those settings become available to me.
[06:29] <isacking> xubuntu814: Yes, you can.
[06:31] <hermanlf> didn't have to disable compiz.  Just changed settings using gconf-editor
[06:32] <isacking> xubuntu814: Thought, the CPU seems a bit slow.
[06:32] <xubuntu814> isacking:  cool :) any special considerations? i don't have the expansion unit, so i'll need to use unetbootin..
[06:34] <xubuntu814> idk if the m300 supports a faster p3m cpu. say a 700mhz+.
[06:36] <xubuntu814> i could probably use xubuntu 8+.
[06:37] <isacking> xubuntu814: My advice to your would be to try the newest xubuntu or vectorlinux.
[06:38] <xubuntu814> ok
[06:39] <xubuntu814> would wifi work, or will i need to tweak/configure a bit?
[06:41] <xubuntu814> i have a dlink pc card network adapter.
[06:41] <isacking> xubuntu814: It works without manually configuration if your device is general enough.
[06:42] <xubuntu814> it's a dlink air plus 54g.
[06:44] <xubuntu814> also have a netgear n150 usb network adapter if the dlink doesn't work.
[09:03] <hermanlf> I am unable to click on anything in the xubuntu workspace 2.  Only things I can click on are the menubar items at the top.
[09:33] <francesco_> hello!
[09:33] <francesco_> what's up?
[09:37] <TheSheep> !hi | francesco_
[11:18] <frowl> hello
[11:19] <frowl> is there someone who could maybe help me ?
[11:24] <knome> !someone | frowl
[15:46] <xubuntu1> Hi, anyone here that uses abiword and could help me find the equation editor? ...or is it gone in 12.04? :(
[17:52] <unheeding> I love xubuntu!
[17:55] <bluesabre> unheeding: Yeah!  +1
[18:25] <FounderOf420>  i installed openbox and fluxbox, launched a session of each just to test the water, now i am getting a 'broken pipe' error when i launch xfce
[19:32] <hermanlf> I have compiz enabled and so the default workspace switcher for xubuntu doesn't work.  What else can I use to show me the workspaces in the panel?
[19:32] <holstein> i used the one in compiz
[19:33] <hermanlf> you can install it in the panel?
[19:33] <holstein> i think i set up the cube and the slider one that i forget what its called
[19:33] <holstein> hermanlf: i dont remmber about the panel
[19:33] <hermanlf> I can switch panels just fine.  I would just like something that can show me the workspaces in the panel as well.
[19:34] <hermanlf> err switch workspaces that is.
[19:34] <holstein> i might have been using something in avant? i forget..
[19:34] <hermanlf> oh
[19:36] <holstein> i remember giving up on XFCE and compiz and it didnt have anything to do with that indicator... whats the default one do? did you add others from the default selection?
[19:36] <TheSheep> compiz has one large workspace
[19:37] <TheSheep> it just scrolls it
[19:37] <holstein> maybe i just deleted it... and didnt have one
[20:48] <boromir_> Hi. I'm having problems with Bluetooth on Xubuntu 12.04.  I can't send .mp3 files to my phone,or any music files.
[21:43] <Belserusk> What is the difference between flags and switches in a terminal command? Are they the same things?
[21:43] <GridCube> i would bet they are yes
[21:44] <Belserusk> GridCube, examples?
[21:45] <GridCube> say you do df, you can use df -H to get it to show the output in a different way, thats what i understand a switch
[21:46] <GridCube> but maybe you will recieve a more useful and comprehensive answer from the people at #bash Belserusk, they should know
[21:47] <Belserusk> Thank you GridCube.
[22:58] <slarty> is it advisable to update to 12.04 or stay with 11.10 for now?
[22:58] <holstein> if you want to update, you can.. no reason not to
[23:00] <slarty> thanks holstein, i had some small problems 11.04 to 11.10, namely sound is more difficult to manage (pulse audio control)
[23:01] <holstein> i *never* upgrade.. i usually test the upgrade proceedure to make sure it works on some machine, but i get a live CD, and test funcitonality, and fresh install 90% of the time
[23:02] <slarty> that was the first time I've upgraded - went OK but suspect there will be 'garbage' left behind... will do fresh install next time
[23:05] <holstein> for me, its an issue of time... best case, i get an upgrade done in 6 hours.... i can install in like 10 minutes, assuming i have my data backed up, its a breeze
[23:06] <slarty> good advice, thanks (was primarily just showing my son the benefits of IRC:)
[23:07] <holstein> also, if 11.10 is working, i say "if it aint broke".. really depends on what you are doing
[23:07] <holstein> if you want to stay with the LTS releases like i do, then you want 12.04 and sooner the better
[23:07] <holstein> if you want the latest version all the time, you might just want to wait a few months and install 12.10
[23:09] <slarty> I generally stick with LTS so will do fresh install soon.
[23:56] <xubuntu865> ciao
[23:56] <xubuntu865> ho bisogno di un consiglio
[23:56] <xubuntu865> ho 512mb di ram
[23:56] <xubuntu865> 768mb*
[23:56] <xubuntu865> xubuntu gira veloce o meglio lububtu?
[23:57] <holstein> !it
[23:57] <xubuntu865> tnx
[23:58] <holstein> either one should be fine.. i would try them both live, or install one and add the other desktop to it
[23:59] <xubuntu865> cant chat on !it room, it says "== Cannot send to channel: #ubuntu-it"


[05:51] <mbvo> I'm trying to install jre, how do i get the mutiverse thing on synaptic package manager on edubuntu?
[06:21] <omar> hi guys I installed frostwire and it dowsn't open , what can I do
[07:37] <highvoltage> :)
[07:38] <cbx33> did anyone find out about MV yeT?
[07:39] <highvoltage> what does MV stand for again?
[07:39] <cbx33> Mountain View
[07:39] <highvoltage> ah right
[08:34] <RichEd> mornin'
[08:47] <RichEd> hi Burgundavia you awake ?
[09:10] <Burgundavia> RichEd: yes, but quite busy
[09:11] <RichEd> No problem ... just checking in to see we are all okay after the passionate debate the other day :)
[09:12] <Burgundavia> oh yeop
[09:40] <RichEd> hi willvdl ... how's big bad jo'burg ?
[09:41] <willvdl> Hi RichEd. I am now exhausted :)
[09:42] <RichEd> It's been quite productive so far :) What's on the cards for today ?
[09:43] <RichEd> And when do you see Edward ? Did you read his comments in the KDE mail blip.
[09:48] <willvdl> Haven't had a chance to se Edward yet unfortunately
[09:49] <willvdl> Today and tomorrow involves a lot of door-knocking again
[09:51] <RichEd> [Did you read his comments in the KDE mail blip ?]
[09:51] <RichEd> It would be good for us to chat about an approach to him before you see him ...
[09:52] <willvdl> yeah I did
[10:20] <DeMoNSeEd> hello
[10:21] <RichEd> hi
[10:21] <DeMoNSeEd> hi!
[10:21] <RichEd> hello!
[10:22] <DeMoNSeEd> i wanted to know, if you know of someone who would be willing to write up a little user review/ experience tpye of deal on Edubuntu
[10:22] <DeMoNSeEd> *type
[10:23] <DeMoNSeEd> i would like to feature it as a distro on our site and that type of thing always goes along well with it
[10:23] <Burgundavia> DeMoNSeEd: the -marketing team can help you with that
[10:23] <RichEd> That's great ... I'll do or manage that for you ... what's your site ?
[10:23] <DeMoNSeEd> marketing
[10:24] <DeMoNSeEd> http://www.gotux.org
[10:24] <DeMoNSeEd> within the next couple weeks we're adding a L.I.E section
[10:24] <RichEd> DeMoNSeEd: I'm Education 1st list contact, and I need to develop links like the one you are offering ... so I'll hold your hand through this one, and liaise with marketing if we need it.
[10:25] <RichEd> *1st line contact
[10:25] <RichEd> checking out your site now ... brb
[10:26] <DeMoNSeEd> cool, the L.I.E is still to come, i want to set it up right, to hilite the abilities of Edubuntu  and linux as a whole in the edu enviro
[10:26] <DeMoNSeEd> it's lacking right now, i've just this eve deleted some stuff on front page to make way for new tomorrow
[10:27] <tomveens> Have you read the articles saying that there is a need on school for educational games?
[10:27] <tomveens> I have read the dutch version so I don't know where there is an english one
[10:28] <RichEd> Ahhhh ... right on target with my current pitch ... do you have any Ubuntu contact / help / info yet ?
[10:28] <DeMoNSeEd> read it, i live it, i've been trying for months to get it in our local schoo;, i get so very very close, but apparently, there's a certain degree of resistance, for a person up the line, but i know i will win out
[10:29] <DeMoNSeEd> nope, actually kinda ticked in a way
[10:29] <RichEd> How about we work towards a font page story for the Edgy release on October 26th ?
[10:29] <DeMoNSeEd> i had ordered via my shipit some edubuntus, i never got them
[10:30] <tomveens> it takes six weeks
[10:30] <RichEd> I can give you a good picture of Ubuntu and Edubuntu and how they fit together ... and our plans for the next year.
[10:30] <DeMoNSeEd> sure, i'll gladly just put fluff up there till then
[10:30] <RichEd> (for the education programe)
[10:30] <DeMoNSeEd> super
[10:31] <RichEd> Check this out for a quick ref: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy
[10:31] <DeMoNSeEd> and if it's cool with you as i bring my Linux in Education section online, i'll keep in touch with you?
[10:31] <RichEd> You can cull some good stuff from there ... without much tweaking. Use that in the meanwhile.
[10:32] <RichEd> DeMoNSeEd: great -> off to msg window for a quickie
[10:34] <tomveens> Is there a game development section of edubuntu?
[10:41] <RichEd> tomveens: no, but we're busy making a space where people can discuss this and share learnings / research / collaborate
[10:52] <DeMoNSeEd> g'night everyone, take care
[12:02] <cbx33> ping ogra
[12:40] <sirex> Hello
[12:41] <sirex> I'm planning to install edubuntu in all computers of a school.
[12:41] <sirex> But that school has computers not very fast.
[12:42] <sirex> So I planing to install Xubuntu.
[12:43] <sirex> And vanted to know is there are a way to get all dep packages in one place, that I could install it in Xubuntu?
[12:43] <sirex> s/dep/deb
[12:44] <RichEd> hi sirex ... I am a bit busy now ... but I could help if you sent me an email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:45] <sirex> ok
[12:54] <RichEd> sirex : No mail as yet ... please send even a short query mail ... I am going in to a meeting now ... and don't want to lose your request. I need to understand and solve your problem !
[12:54] <RichEd> Thanks
[01:06] <sirex> ok
[01:06] <sirex> One minute..
[01:09] <sirex> RichEd: already sended it
[01:09] <RichEd> thanks
[01:29] <Amaranth> So if I didn't get an email or anything that means I didn't get sponsorship to go to mountain view, right?
[01:33] <rodarvus> UDS emails were sent this morning?
[01:34] <Amaranth> supposedly they were sent yesterday
[01:34] <Amaranth> that's what the wiki says
[01:35] <Amaranth> "Notification of those chosen for sponsorship will be notified on Mon 2nd Oct 2006."
[01:40] <juliux> why is the next uds in the usa?
[01:44] <RichEd> sirex ... you there still ?
[01:46] <ogra> juliux, because it was about time to ... we have many users in the US
[01:47] <juliux> ogra, but very strict laws if you travel from europe in the usa
[01:47] <juliux> ogra, and you need a new passport ;)
[01:47] <ogra> i didnt two weeks ago
[01:48] <juliux> hm
[01:48] <ogra> after i was there recently i can just say its way less scary than everybody thinks :)
[01:49] <rodarvus> USA is scary, but not for (most) europeans
[01:49] <rodarvus> Amaranth, afaik, no email has been sent (yet)
[01:49] <ogra> apart from having a horrible long biarding time in frankfurt it was like any other travel i did the last yers
[01:49] <juliux> i think if they want my personal data they should come to me not i am to them
[01:50] <ogra> well, right, they take your fingerprints and a pic if you enter and exit the country
[01:50] <ogra> but they could do that secretly as well very easy ... so whats the point... at least they tell you
[01:51] <juliux> yes but if they do it secretly it cost them money
[01:52] <RichEd> juliux: do you selectively control the right of access to people who arrive at your front door, asking to visit ?
[01:53] <ogra> juliux, why ? they have observation cameras on airports anyway ..
[01:53] <sirex> RichEd: yep
[01:53] <juliux> ogra, cameras but no fingerprints ;)
[01:53] <ogra> i guess it would have been cheaper to use these instead of setting up dedicated ones
[01:53] <juliux> ogra, and they have the picutre but not more
[01:53] <RichEd> Not that I am supporting the US or its policies ... but it their crib, and you want to visit, so they screen you.
[01:54] <RichEd> sirex ... the machine spec you sent me is great for Edubuntu LTSP workstations ... have you considered that option ?
[01:54] <juliux> ogra, and don't forget, they need the money you spend there so, why should give them my fingerprints ?
[01:55] <ogra> well, its their rule
[01:55] <juliux> and my rule is not to go there;)
[01:55] <ogra> you dont need to agree ... but then you cant go :)
[01:56] <juliux> i dont want to go to the usa
[01:56] <ogra> nobody forces you :)
[01:56] <juliux> there are enough countries who loves to get my money
[01:57] <sirex> RichEd: no havn't considered it, LTSP is like a server? Now im searching the web about it..
[01:57] <juliux> for example Czech Republic
[01:57] <RichEd> sirex ... hang on 2 mins and I will give you a quick intro and links
[01:58] <ogra> juliux, thats so german ... " countries who loves to get my money"
[01:58] <juliux> ogra, i know
[02:03] <RichEd> sirex: LTSP is a LAN based configuration allowing low spec machines to boot directly & run off a central LTSP server.
[02:03] <sirex> thanks..
[02:04] <sirex> but for I needs one big server?
[02:04] <RichEd> sirex: Edubuntu LTSP Server is installed on one decent spec hardware box, and the remaining workstations all run off this server. The desktop configuration is standardised, with a single central point of admin.
[02:04] <RichEd> ogra will be able to tell you the spec of the box ... ogra ?
[02:05] <ogra> 256M for the server itself, 128M per client you attach ...
[02:05] <RichEd> sirex has got 20x: CPU: 233 MHz /  RAM:    64 MB - 92 MB / HDD:    5 GB - 8 GB
[02:05] <ogra> i.e. with 1G memory you can run 6 clients
[02:06] <ogra> and indeed the clients need no HD
[02:06] <sirex> hm, this LTSP thinkg sounds dificult.. :)
[02:06] <RichEd> he was looking at Xubuntu and adding Edu apps, but his life would be some much easier with an Edubuntu LTSP install ?
[02:06] <RichEd> *so much
[02:06] <ogra> it isnt ... edubuntu sets it up for you on install (at oleast in edgy, which will release in 3 weeks)
[02:08] <RichEd> sirex: I'll find you a link ... you can read it up for yourself ... it is easy to install and use, much easier than maintainnig a "custom xubuntu" install !
[02:08] <ogra> right, the big advantage is that everything you have to maintain is the server ... all user sessions run there
[02:08] <sirex> ogra, do you mean that on edgy edubuntu alsow comes with witch xfce?
[02:08] <ogra> so /home and userdata is in a central place ...
[02:08] <ogra> as well as all maintenance
[02:08] <ogra> nope ... we didnt have the space on the CD for xfce
[02:08] <ogra> we'll tra to target that for edgy+1
[02:09] <ogra> there is a spec thats approved, but the space constraints kept us from implementing it yet
[02:10] <sirex> hm, so then for LTSP I will need an server with at least 256Mb of ram and big hdd, and all I need is to set up one server?
[02:10] <tomveens> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWiring
[02:11] <ogra> sirex, right, then rip out the HDs from the clients and make them netboot ...
[02:11] <ogra> thats all
[02:11] <RichEd> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation <- start here
[02:11] <sirex> ogra one LTSP server can handle only 6 clients?
[02:11] <RichEd> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook <- then here
[02:12] <ogra> sirex, the ltsp server needs 256M to run the server processes and 128M for every running client ... so with 1G main memory you can run 6 clients
[02:13] <ogra> with 2G you can run 14 ... etc etc
[02:13] <ogra> since the clients share stuff in ram on the server i guess even 20 would be possible with 2G
[02:13] <RichEd> and detail is here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook/ThinClient
[02:14] <ogra> the clients themselves can be very low spec ...
[02:14] <ogra>  CPU: 233 MHz / RAM: 64 MB would totally suffice here ...
[02:15] <ogra> (and no HD)
[02:17] <sirex> Now I undertood every thing.. :) Well its realy nice thing!
[02:17] <sirex> :)
[02:19] <RichEd> Sirex ... it is way easier to sort out your one big box, and stick with Edubuntu, than build a custom install. You will then be welcome in the Edubuntu community with a standard install each release - 80% of our Education focus is around Edubuntu.
[02:19] <RichEd> ( Xubuntu is not a big focus for us we have far more LTSP users in Education )
[02:23] <RichEd> so, mr highvoltage, whaich is easier for a newish user to install and maintain (and get support): xubuntu + manual install of edu applications, or a standard edubuntu LTSP ?
[02:24] <highvoltage> RichEd: about equally. edubuntu takes about 10 minutes faster to install, probably. Xubuntu is faster on the actual network, though.
[02:24] <highvoltage> RichEd: the installation of the edu stuff is just an apt-get install away :)
[02:25] <RichEd> So I want to know is there a way, that I could get all educational packages
[02:25] <RichEd> from Edubuntu in one place as .deb files?
[02:25] <RichEd> Then I be able to do this:
[02:25] <RichEd>     % cd edubuntu_debs
[02:25] <RichEd>     % sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[02:27] <highvoltage> RichEd: sorry, I didn't see your original question :)
[02:27] <highvoltage> RichEd: yes, you can do that
[02:28] <highvoltage> RichEd: except it should be sudo dpkg -i *.deb if your shell prompt ends with a % ;)
[02:28] <RichEd> highvoltage: [1]  it was in the mail ;) [2]  where does he find the files (archive)
[02:28] <highvoltage> RichEd: [1]  what was the subject of the mail? I don't think I got it.
[02:29] <RichEd> I will forward on ... it was a one-to-one request from IRC interaction because I was in a meeting and the channel was quiet.
[02:29] <highvoltage> [2]  the simplest way is to install all the things you want on a clean system and then find the files in /var/cache/apt/archives
[02:30] <RichEd> I'll mail it to the user and CC the mail lsit, so that all can benefit from your wisdom in one sweet answer !
[02:30] <highvoltage> aah, I understand :)
[02:30] <highvoltage> I thoght you were refering to an e-mail you sent to me!
[02:32] <sirex> I thought bout it too, that it is probably esiest way to install all packages through apt-get and then tar -czf it from /var/cache/apt/archives
[02:34] <sirex> But NTLS way is better.. :)
[02:34] <highvoltage> NTLS?
[02:36] <sirex> LTSP
[02:36] <sirex> :)
[02:37] <highvoltage> b b bd b b bb
[02:37] <highvoltage> hi bddebian
[02:38] <bddebian> Heya highvoltage :-)
[02:39] <highvoltage> :-)
[02:41] <highvoltage> willvdl: wb
[02:50] <willvdl> woot
[02:50] <highvoltage> wwop
[02:51] <willvdl> do you know how to get firefox <IP_ADDRESS> language packs?
[02:51] <willvdl> translate.org.za haS <IP_ADDRESS> packs for sepedi
[02:51] <highvoltage> "apt-cache search firefox | grep language" will show you a list
[02:52] <highvoltage> oh translate.org.za packs... hmmm... I'm not sure you currently get them for Ubuntu
[02:53] <willvdl> they have xpi files for firefox
[02:53] <willvdl> on their website
[02:54] <willvdl> but our firefox version is .0.5 ...
[02:57] <willvdl_> one bar on my 3g card...
[02:58] <cbx33> hey willvdl
[02:58] <cbx33> any news on MV yet?
[03:00] <RichEd> hey CharlieBravoXylophonethirtythree
[03:01] <RichEd> any news on the ICT Chairpersonship yet ?
[03:02] <cbx33> not yet
[03:52] <Petaris> ogra: ping
[03:54] <Petaris> Is there any other way to specify the screen res on the clients other then specifying the horizontal and vertical sync rates?
[04:06] <Petaris> biab
[04:19] <RichEd> quit
[04:24] <sbalneav> Morning all
[04:43] <RichEd> hi DeMoNSeEd
[04:43] <DeMoNSeEd> ty
[05:35] <willvdl> ping RichEd
[05:37] <RichEd> hi willvdl
[05:37] <willvdl> seven kinds of busy here prepping for internal launch
[05:38] <RichEd> HPX you mean inside HP ?
[05:38] <RichEd> or NEPAD ?
[05:38] <willvdl> HP
[05:57] <lguerra> RichEd: ping
[05:59] <RichEd> pong lguerra
[06:20] <DeMoNSeEd> RichEd, i have to run out for a bit, i'll bbl
[06:26] <LaserJock> morning Edubuntu people
[06:26] <Burgwork> morning LaserJock
[06:28] <highvoltage> morning LaserJock and Burgwork
[06:28] <willvdl> anyone know of a cgi:irc server that will get to #edubuntu?
[06:32] <LaserJock> RichEd: still up?
[06:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi LaserJock  :)
[06:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi all otehr people active at 2 am :)
[06:34] <LaserJock> 9:30 am here ;-)
[06:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[06:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> 2am+beer=win
[06:37] <highvoltage> Kamping_Kaiser: 18:37 here :)
[06:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> highvoltage, 02:08 here :)
[06:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> gah, wish it was 1800 here  - it would mean i hadnt wasted another 6 hours of my life ;)
[06:41] <highvoltage> heh :)
[06:41] <cbx33> w00t
[06:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[06:45] <LaserJock> hi cbx33
[06:46] <cbx33> LaserJock, dude !!
[06:46] <cbx33> LaserJock, my new sound card came
[06:46] <LaserJock> nice?
[06:46] <cbx33> w0h yeh
[06:46] <cbx33> taken soem pics for the blog
[06:46] <cbx33> just trying to get it working with jack
[06:50] <Petaris> jack can be confusing to setup at times
[06:50] <cbx33> and it's done
[06:50] <cbx33> :)
[06:51] <Petaris> I've played with it a few times
[06:51] <cbx33> I was setting the channel count
[06:51] <Petaris> cool
[06:51] <cbx33> to get it to work with my old card
[06:51] <cbx33> however with this stonking new card I dont need to
[06:51] <Petaris> Which card?
[06:51] <cbx33> an M-Audio Delta 1010 LT
[06:51] <Petaris> nice
[06:51] <cbx33> 10 in 10 out yeh it's nice ;)
[06:52] <Petaris> I have always like Turtle Beach cards, but they just don't have many jacks
[06:53] <cbx33> well someone funded me this card
[06:53] <Petaris> are you doing audio editing or studio recording or something?
[06:53] <cbx33> and I am so totally stoked
[06:53] <cbx33> Petaris, I'm doing the startup sounds for edgy
[06:53] <Petaris> and you need a card like that?
[06:53] <Petaris> haha
[06:54] <Petaris> What software are you going to use?
[06:54] <cbx33> well, it was recommended to me and bought for me
[06:54] <cbx33> ardour naturally
[06:54] <Petaris> nice
[06:54] <Petaris> played with that too
[06:54] <cbx33> it rocks
[06:54] <Petaris> audacity is also quite good, but has less functionality


[01:31] <happyaron> bschaefer: replied to your email, :)
[01:42] <bschaefer> happyaron, thanks!
[01:42]  * bschaefer reads it
[01:44] <bschaefer> happyaron, and yes, thats the unfortunate problem. Nux does not have IM module support, and implementing that would be to costly
[01:44] <bschaefer> and Nux cannot use GTK/QT soo we are kind of stuck with XIM
[01:45] <bschaefer> unity8 will be in QT so it wont be a problem there
[01:45] <bschaefer> just unity7 :(
[01:45] <happyaron> if im module isn't possible, then better thinking about preserving exising ibus code.
[01:45] <happyaron> at least we don't get regression in LTs
[01:45] <happyaron> LTS
[01:45] <bschaefer> shoot was hoping to remove all that ibus code
[01:46] <bschaefer> well at lease i can still improve the XIM code so it'll at lease render preedit for fcitx users
[01:46] <happyaron> IIRC there is some IM Module-like stuff for ibus, fcitx, and hime/gcin in Unity?
[01:46] <bschaefer> with IBus I wrote a while ago, where I talk directly to IBus in Nux
[01:47] <bschaefer> there was a fcitx branch out there, but it never made it in
[01:47] <bschaefer> other then IBus, we just use XIM for everything else
[01:47] <happyaron> would be good to have, but I wonders how much the work is required for spliting them out to some kinda IM Module-like stuff.
[01:49] <happyaron> fcitx's API is quite stable since 4.2.x, but anyway it's good to let imf maintain the part of code.
[01:49] <bschaefer> well, the whole idea of having an IM module-like thing would be to have the client code in fctix/ibus etc, that use nux toolkit API
[01:50] <happyaron> bschaefer: I think it's doable for at least ibus and fcitx at least, especially we can ask kylin people to work on fcitx if needed.
[01:50] <happyaron> XIM is used only as a fallback in eyes of IM developers nowadays, it's a must but not always being used.
[01:51] <bschaefer> happyaron, very true, ill have to ask if i have time to dedicate to that
[01:51] <happyaron> thanks
[01:51] <bschaefer> yeah, ill be happy to get that working, the fcitx code (bits of it) does exit in a branch by ccslayer
[01:51] <bschaefer> by csslayer, that i can dig up and try to get land
[01:51] <happyaron> I see.
[01:52] <bschaefer> that way fcitx wont have horrid behavior with the preedit window in the LTS
[01:52] <happyaron> yup, :)
[01:52] <bschaefer> happyaron, thanks for all the info!
[01:53] <happyaron> :)
[04:45] <attente> did anyone run into the problem of not being able to log into a session after upgrading to T?
[06:17] <pitti> Good morning
[09:05] <Laney> hey
[09:05] <Laney> happy friday!
[09:07] <seb128> Laney, hey
[09:07] <seb128> good morning desktopers!
[09:07] <seb128> happy friday!
[09:07] <seb128> Laney, how are you?
[09:08] <Laney> seb128: pretty good, looking forward to the weekend
[09:08] <Laney> in which the only task is to find some sloes and then put them into gin
[09:09] <seb128> you do cocktails now?
[09:10]  * seb128 isn't big on gin
[09:11] <Laney> not exactly a cocktail
[09:11] <Laney> I don't really like gin on its own, but sloe gin is quite tasty
[09:11] <Laney> and makes good presents
[09:12] <seb128> do you celebrate anything?
[09:12] <larsu> the weekend, of course!
[09:13] <seb128> haha, good thing to celebrate!
[09:13] <Laney> someone told me that you are supposed to pick them after the first frost
[09:13] <seb128> larsu, good morning, happy friday!
[09:13] <Laney> happened this week
[09:13] <seb128> larsu, wie gets?
[09:13] <Laney> hey larsu
[09:13] <seb128> Laney, I see (same here, first frost this week)
[09:13] <larsu> seb128, Laney: happy Friday!
[09:14] <larsu> seb128: I'm very good, thanks. And you?
[09:14] <Laney> so: pick, add to gin, wait a couple of months, strain, profit
[09:14] <Laney> \o/
[09:17] <seb128> Laney, sounds like something to try ;-) let us know how it goes
[09:17] <seb128> larsu, I'm good thanks
[09:17] <seb128> larsu, did you manage to not get crazy over GTK and scrollbars yesterday?
[09:18] <Laney> woah
[09:18] <Laney> my desktop just spontaneously rebooted
[09:19] <larsu> seb128: no, I got crazy. But I think I've found the issue
[09:21] <seb128> larsu, you should maybe try to nag alex a bit more with questions ;-)
[09:21] <seb128> Laney, it has enough of building webkit in loop and doesn't want to spend its friday doing it!
[09:21] <Laney> haha
[09:22] <Laney> I've been using the Debian ppc porterbox for that
[09:22] <Laney> it's actually really quite fast
[09:22] <seb128> did you get any luck?
[09:22] <Laney> got further, linker problem now
[09:23] <Laney> It became an exercise in disabling bits of code though, so probably not the most upstreamable solution
[09:23] <seb128> did you upstream the build error?
[09:23] <Laney> yeah
[09:23] <seb128> no reply yet I guess?
[09:23] <Laney> well, pochu did then I followed up with trunk
[09:23] <Laney> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123809
[09:23] <ubot2> bugs.webkit.org bug 123809 in WebKit Gtk "[GTK] build failure when disabling JIT/Assembler" [Normal,New]
[12:39] <nessita> tkamppeter_, hi there! I was wondering if you could give me a hint on how to fix/workaround an HP printer that refuses to print, cups web interface shows "Idle - "Can't feed job data into Ghostscript"", and when I send a document to print it shows "stopped  "Filter failed"". I have the latest hplip (3.13.11)
[12:39] <nessita> this is on ubuntu 13.10
[13:05] <Laney> slow anongit.freedesktop.org is super slow
[14:20] <Laney> pitti: Looks like you installed the rb apport hook back into a different package so there's a file conflict on upgrade from saucy to trusty
[14:20]  * Laney fixes
[14:27] <pitti> Laney: oh, it wasn't in -data?
[14:27] <Laney> seems not
[14:27] <pitti> Laney: sorry; thanks
[14:27] <Laney> makes sense there though
[14:33] <didrocks> Laney: in a world, I wouldn't live without any other chair :)
[14:33] <didrocks> with*
[14:33] <didrocks> (following a g+ post for those who wonder ^)
[14:34] <seb128> didrocks, (thanks, I was)
[14:36] <seb128> didrocks, Laney: I've that one as well but only like it mediumly
[14:36] <didrocks> seb128: what don't you like in it?
[14:36]  * seb128 likes to cross legs sometimes or sit on one leg, the metal support under the armrest are in the way if you try to do that
[14:37] <seb128> and the back support position can't be changed
[14:37] <seb128> or it's too high for me/doesn't fit
[14:37] <seb128> I guess it's good if your size fits the back thougjh
[14:38] <didrocks> seb128: I can do that, but not stay that much because its hurting my back :)
[14:38] <didrocks> (crossing legs)
[14:38] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, it does fit perfectly for me
[14:39] <didrocks> I can see not being able to reposition it can be annoying
[14:39] <Laney> I could go to the ikea shop and try one
[14:39] <Laney> haha, I knew someone would recommend an aeron
[14:41] <Laney> the one I have now is just terrible
[14:41] <Laney> there was a huge snapping noise earlier today and now I'm sitting at about a 30° angle to the floor
[14:42] <seb128> urg
[14:42] <seb128> standing desk time maybe? ;-)
[14:42] <Laney> tempting
[14:42] <Laney> did only buy this desk last year though, huge glass one
[16:48] <seb128> mhr3, hey
[16:48] <seb128> mhr3, where are the appslens filter coming from? (they are showing non translated, trying to figure if it's a code bug or missing translations)
[16:49] <seb128> mhr3, the home/files/etc ones are translated
[16:49] <ogra_> tkamppeter, are there any known issues with hplip in trusty ? i cant manage to set up my (networked) LaserJet 1018 (works out of the box on my raring and precise machines)
[16:53] <mhr3> seb128, from home scope
[16:54] <seb128> mhr3, is the app lens special in any way?
[16:55] <mhr3> seb128, nope
[16:57] <seb128> mhr3, what could make the same category show translated in the home lens and non translated in the app one?
[16:58] <mhr3> what is a category?
[16:58] <mhr3> there are not many elements that are shared in home and apps
[16:58] <mhr3> if any at all
[17:01] <Laney> I'm off to catch a train, have a good weekend everyone!
[17:01] <seb128> mhr3, "what is a category", is that a real question?
[17:01] <seb128> Laney, thanks, you too!
[17:01] <mhr3> seb128, i'm not sure what you mean
[17:02] <mhr3> seb128, afaict there isn't anything that's shared in both apps view and home view
[17:03] <seb128> mhr3, right, they are not the same ... me checks french translations
[17:04] <seb128> mhr3, in the app lens, are e.g Education Games Graphics, etc showing translated for you?
[17:04] <mhr3> seb128, well, i use english... so maybe? :)
[17:04] <seb128> mhr3, shrug, we should force non english devs to use their locale to dogfood translations issues :/
[17:05] <mhr3> seb128, i thought that's why we employ people in france :P
[17:05]  * seb128 slaps mhr3
[17:05] <mhr3> worth it :D
[17:06] <larsu> haha
[17:07] <larsu> seb128: aren't you the one who wants French for everyone?
[17:07] <seb128> larsu, yeah, we should force them, being nice doesn't work it seems :p
[17:07] <larsu> seb128: :D
[17:08] <seb128> mhr3, where are the categories (Education, Games, Graphics, etc) coming from?
[17:08] <seb128> mhr3,
[17:08] <seb128> $ grep Games unity-scope-home-6.8.2+13.10.20131003 -r
[17:08] <seb128> unity-scope-home-6.8.2+13.10.20131003/data/master-scopes/applications.scope.in.in:_OptionNames=Accessories;Education;Games;Graphics;Internet;Fonts;Office;Media;Customisation;Accessibility;Developer;Science & Engineering;Dash plugins;System
[17:08] <mhr3> /usr/share/unity/scopes/applications.scope
[17:08] <seb128> mhr3, ^ that list?
[17:08] <mhr3> yep
[17:14] <seb128> mhr3, it's weird, it seems translated
[17:15] <mhr3> seb128, and you're saying that files filters are ok?
[17:15] <seb128> yes
[17:15] <mhr3> seb128, cause that uses the exact same mechanism
[17:15] <seb128> mhr3, I found an issue, the translation on the system has "Search plugins" and the source "Dash plugins"
[17:16] <seb128> mhr3, I wonder if that one got renamed but the translation template didn't
[17:16] <mhr3> seb128, it got updated after uife
[17:16] <mhr3> i guess that's why
[17:17] <mhr3> i'll make a note to ensure that we translations upstream with new scopes
[17:17] <mhr3> i still don't know why they were only upstream for the past 3years
[17:17] <mhr3> eh... only downstream
[17:18] <seb128> mhr3, ok, so I guess the issue is outdated templates
[17:18] <seb128> mhr3, well, for most of our project to avoid duplication we let the Ubuntu translators do the job
[17:18] <seb128> mhr3, you want to change it to have those commited in the upstream Vcs?
[17:18] <mhr3> seb128, yes
[17:18] <mhr3> seb128, afaik that's what we do for unity8
[17:19] <seb128> mhr3, yeah, we do it for the new projects, I don't remember why we did it the other way around but there was a reason
[17:19] <seb128> mhr3, maybe for consistency between Ubuntu packages because all upstreams are not in launchpad
[17:20] <seb128> mhr3, but dpm agreed, last time we discussed it, that it would make sense to have autocommit to trunk
[17:21] <mhr3> we already do only autocommits to trunk, don't see why that shouldn't include translations as well
[17:21] <mhr3> (meaning autolanding)
[17:21] <mhr3> noone pushes to trunk manually
[17:22] <mhr3> so having 1 bot pushing or 10... who cares :)
[17:23] <seb128> mhr3, right
[19:02] <tkamppeter> nessita, first, follow the instructions of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingPrintingProblems, especially the sections "CUPS error_log" and "Capturing print job data".
[19:03] <nessita> tkamppeter, gladly!
[19:06] <tkamppeter> ogra_, to my knowledge there is no problem. Note that the 1018 needs firmware loaded everytime when it is turned on. Perhaps you need to download the current plug-in (you can run the "hp-plugin" command for that or use the "hp-toolbox".
[19:32] <nessita> tkamppeter, so, I filed bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/+bug/1251742, I attached the /var/log/cups/error_log with DEBUG info in it, my untrained eyes don't see any obviously wrong
[19:32] <ubot2> nessita: Error: launchpad bug 1251742 not found
[19:32] <nessita> ah, bug is private, too much personal info
[19:33] <nessita> tkamppeter, gathering "print job data" now, will attach to the bug
[21:34] <desrt> m_conley: ping
[21:34] <m_conley> desrt: pong
[21:35] <desrt> m_conley: hey.  do you know anything about the dbusmenu code for xul?
[21:35] <desrt> we want to port to gmenumodel....
[21:36] <m_conley> desrt: not really - chrisccoulson knows it back to front though
[21:36] <desrt> m_conley: interested in helping? :)
[21:37] <desrt> chris isn't really doing firefox stuff for us anymore...
[21:37] <m_conley> desrt: heh, tempting. I've been tempted too many times though - I'm swamped like crazy
[21:37] <m_conley> desrt: have you seen his global menu bar code?
[21:37] <m_conley> that's what you're interested in porting, right?
[21:37] <desrt> ya... or starting over.  who knows?
[21:37] <m_conley> gotcha
[21:38] <m_conley> his add-on code is not a bad starting point
[21:38] <desrt> attente and i are chilling at UofT right now, btw
[21:38] <m_conley> Oh, nice. :)
[21:38] <m_conley> desrt: you might want to investigate doing this with jsctypes
[21:39] <desrt> hm
[21:39] <desrt> that gives me an interesting idea
[21:39] <desrt> gjs is mozjs
[21:39] <desrt> i wonder if there would be any way to get gjs into the browser....
[21:39] <desrt> that would make this _so_ easy
[21:40] <m_conley> indeed!
[21:41] <desrt> so it is possible to get at the xul layer from js?
[21:41] <desrt> is there anything that makes this a better choice that going via C?
[21:42] <m_conley> desrt: all Chris's add-on did was iterate the XUL menu nodes, and create equivalent nodes for dbusmenu, and then hide the XUL menu. Then he added an observer for when things were added or removed from the menu so that his menu would update.
[21:42] <m_conley> desrt: that's all quite possible from JS
[21:43] <m_conley> It'd be a better choice because binary add-ons are the worst. ;)
[21:43] <desrt> well
[21:43] <desrt> i guess having this one shipped by the distro mitigates some of the worst ills of that
[21:43] <m_conley> I suppose
[21:44] <m_conley> desrt: makes it so that the add-on can be used across versions very easily?
[21:44] <m_conley> without having to recompile for each?
[21:45] <desrt> not sure how big of a concern that is for us
[21:45] <desrt> is xul alive and well?
[21:45] <desrt> i keep hearing plans to replace it with html outright
[21:45] <m_conley> desrt: *shrug*, it's up to you. You're the implementor. I always veer towards js + jsctypes for this sort of stuff though.
[21:45] <m_conley> those are very long-term plans
[21:45] <m_conley> XUL will be with us for a while
[21:45] <desrt> attente is the implementor, in fact :)
[21:46] <attente> hiya :)
[21:46] <m_conley> but once Australis ships and we make it all pretty and perfect, we'll take a look at what we can do to start surgically replacing some of our XUL with HTML.
[21:46] <m_conley> attente: hiyo
[21:52] <kenvandine> sigh... i have a content-hub branch that had failing tests when i last touched it 2 weeks ago... now they all pass, wtf!
[21:53] <kenvandine> i really don't think i fixed the tests... maybe this is a sign i need the weekend!


[04:15] <elky> did yikes only get kicked yesterday?
[04:38] <dax> keeping an eye on it ^
[05:07] <dax> banned ^
[07:35] <nixoeen> hggdh, I am now the member of Iranian LoCo Council :) You can check it here: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-ir-council/+members
[09:40] <nixoeen> I mentioned my issue last night, but I guess the users who were there are away now, so I mention it again in case someone else can help me.  I'm one of OPs of #ubuntu-ir, but as I didn't use IRC for a long time, my username was removed. I want to gain my permissions on #ubuntu-ir again. My launchpad ID is nixoeen.
[11:03] <k1l> nixoeen: i think the irc council is waiting on confirmation of the ir-council.
[11:38] <nixoeen> k1l, I am now in the ir-council!
[11:49] <Myrtti> but you're not alone in it.
[12:09] <nixoeen> Myrtti, They asked for the confirmation of ir-council. So I became the member of it and now as a ir-council member, I confirm it on behalf of ir-council!
[12:09] <Myrtti> that sounds incredibly and ridiculously wrong
[12:09] <Myrtti> like, mindblowingly wrong
[12:21] <nixoeen> Ok, I give up :) Though it's sad that you do not trust a confirmed member of a LoCo Team Council. I just wanted to fix the broken links on the topic of the channel which was set by me 2 years ago! But it isn't worth the hassle. Still, thanks for your time.
[12:28] <Myrtti> Wobbo: hi, do you need help with something?
[12:30] <Wobbo> Yes and no. :D
[12:32] <Myrtti> you're more likely to get any response if you add a bit more words to that
[12:32] <Wobbo> I automatically reconnect in to this IRC.
[12:33] <Wobbo> I needed ubuntu-nl all about ReportingBugs.
[12:33] <Wobbo> So sorry
[13:55] <Myrtti> btw I messaged nixoeen that my opinion isn't an official opinion
[13:57] <k1l> i messaged him too. seems like all the ir irc guys went afk for some time. so he is the only active one now.
[13:57] <Pici> how did he get onto the ir loco council then?
[13:57] <Myrtti> that is my question too
[13:57] <Pici> k1l: (also I saw your pm and will respond when my brain starts working sometime today.)
[13:58] <k1l> i didnt ask about that. and i dont know it.
[13:58] <k1l> Pici: ok :)
[13:58] <Myrtti> I understand that he's doing this all with best intentions but it's still a bit wobbly
[13:59] <k1l> Myrtti: yes. i think he wants to be active in a good way and the issue is the afk groups now.
[14:01] <Myrtti> I'm not the dictator who says how council members should be selected or leadership rules assigned in every sub project, but the way it's going now just seems wrong
[14:01] <Myrtti> in this case, I mean
[14:03] <k1l> imho the ircc coulc grant him +o in that #ubuntu-ir channel when the other one on that access list are afk.  but the way how the ir council is run should be topic for the comunity council
[14:45] <hggdh> k1l, Myrtti: if he is now in the IR council, then it is confirmed. Stands to reason.
[14:46] <Myrtti> sure, not questioning that
[15:33] <svxf> hi
[15:33] <svxf> why is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>range banned?
[15:33] <svxf> that's where my bouncer is
[15:33] <Pici> We have been having trouble with a large amount of spamming coming from that range.
[15:36] <svxf> :/
[15:36] <svxf> could you maybe add a +e for <IP_ADDRESS>?
[15:38] <Pici> svxf: is that you?
[15:38] <svxf> yup
[15:39] <Pici> svxf: I think we can do that.. one moment.
[15:39] <svxf> <3
[15:40] <Pici> svxf: you should be good now
[15:40] <svxf> thanks
[15:41] <Pici> np
[15:52] <Myrtti> uhoh
[15:54] <Myrtti> 155141 <+alimj> It appears that this channel is orphaned? #ubuntu-ir? I tried /msg ChanServ access list #ubuntu-ir
[16:21] <alimj> Hello everyone. I just want to follow if nixoeen has been following the appointment of new OPs for #ubuntu-ir
[16:22] <alimj> Currently not flooded, but some links in greeting message are dead
[17:40] <tonyyarusso> alimj: I have no idea, but (someone correct me if I'm wrong) I think you might be looking for #ubuntu-irc, since that sounds like a non-core channel.
[17:41] <alimj> tonyyarusso: Are the core channels listed here? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[17:44] <tonyyarusso> alimj: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/Scope has them specifically identified.
[17:44] <alimj> Thanks
[17:46] <alimj> I would better exit. I have received answer to my question. Thanks o/
[21:12] <elky> chu: you don't know him right?
[21:12] <chu> Nope.
[21:13] <elky> are you actually in india?
[21:13] <elky> i've lost track of all your travelling now
[21:14] <chu> Nah, I'm still in Aus with dad :p
[21:15] <chu> I probably won't be travelling for a while - dad's doing another round of chemo, so I'll basically just hang with him.
[21:15] <elky> fair enough
[21:18] <elky> tonyyarusso: ^
[21:18] <tonyyarusso> ah, lol
[21:18] <elky> dude's throwing off red flags
[21:18] <Pici> he was fine earlier
[21:19] <elky> i didn't see earlier, i just saw the "middle east" comment and got concerned
[21:20] <chu> Ahh, I didn't see earlier.
[21:21] <IdleOne> there was a comment?
[21:22] <IdleOne> All he did was ask a question based on perceived time zone. based on the knowledge he had it was not a bad guess
[21:25] <elky> there's two continents in the timezone. it was oddly specific
[21:26] <elky> (the timezone being "tomorrow")
[21:26] <IdleOne> 50/50
[21:26] <IdleOne> if he had picked Australia instead would it have triggered?
[21:26] <chu> Nope. I felt the same as elky :(
[21:27] <chu> It was oddly specific, and generally, in such cases, it means something else :(
[21:27] <IdleOne> he seems ok so far
[21:34]  * elky grabs the popcorn and watches
[21:34] <elky> tonyyarusso: janc hasn't the slightest clue about gluten despite being informed at length several times already.
[21:35] <tonyyarusso> ha, so, like most people :P
[21:35] <Pici> I was just going to say that.
[21:35] <elky> tonyyarusso: except he's adamant about his facts
[21:36] <elky> because it's him
[21:36] <elky> he thought buckwheat was wheat, for example
[21:36] <elky> and kept saying stuff to try one-up what i said
[21:47] <k1l> @comment 70544
[21:48] <k1l> Pici: fyi^
[21:48] <Pici> k1l: ty
[21:49] <k1l> that is why he said "i cant join" in first place. he didnt resolve that forwardban. just the same: ubuntu is shit, fix my bugs asap!
[21:50] <Unit193> Pici: Hiya, seen the pings about Encyclopedia/ubottu?
[21:50] <Pici> what
[21:50] <Pici> Unit193: err. no
[22:07] <elky> well that confirms it's not the racist guy i guess
[22:09] <lordievader> Good evening, could someone assist in #ubuntu+1? retrojeff is going against quite some rules.
[22:10] <elky> lordievader: there are people watching aiui
[22:11] <elky> Pici: are you still watchign there?
[22:11] <lordievader> Ah, thank you.
[22:12] <elky> lordievader: until someone responds here, can you pastebin for me the difference between http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/02/23/%23ubuntu+1.txt and what you see in your scrollback?
[22:14] <lordievader> elky: Here you go, http://paste.ubuntu.com/15183870/
[22:15] <elky> ok i've removed and banned him so he can't disrupt there
[22:15] <lordievader> Thank you :)
[22:15] <elky> let us know when/if he returns
[22:15] <lordievader> Sure.


[00:55] <Animagladius> happy new year
[00:56] <Sysi> gmt-1 and a bit early?
[00:58] <Sysi> gmt+2 goes to bed →
[01:10] <Guest43508> does Xubuntu come with Nouveau driver?
[02:09] <Tiktalik> How do you use wifi in xubuntu
[02:10] <Rena-> I see an icon in the upper right of the panel with arrows pointing up and down, and clicking it lists available wireless networks
[02:11] <Rena-> if that doesn't work you'll probably need to install some kind of driver and I can't really help with that, sorry
[02:13] <gr8m8> !wifi
[02:20] <Tiktalik> !drivers
[02:25] <gr8m8> Tiktalik:  the wifidocs page linked above should help you sort the driver out
[02:31] <rtdos> is it possible to install edubuntu (without installing the gnome desktop) on a computer that already has xubuntu (i do not wish to use the gnome desktop)
[02:32] <rtdos> in fact i do not even wish to have the gnome desktop on the computer at all.
[02:40] <tiktalik> How do I find out what wireless card I have?
[02:41] <tiktalik> !wifi
[02:42] <tiktalik> Anyone there?
[02:43] <gr8m8> tiktalik:  in terminal   lspci
[02:44] <tiktalik> Hello?
[02:44] <gr8m8> tiktalik:  in terminal   lspci
[02:45] <tiktalik> There are a ton of things there!
[02:45] <tiktalik> I guess it's the Network controller?
[02:46] <tiktalik> Hello.
[02:46] <tiktalik> gr8m8, there are tons of thinfgs there.
[02:47] <tiktalik> *things
[02:47] <gr8m8> it should mention wireless
[02:48] <tiktalik> Okay, then  Atheros Communications Inc. AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01)?
[02:49] <tiktalik> Gr8m8?
[02:50] <tiktalik> Man puppy had better support.
[02:51] <gr8m8> dude you are so impatient
[02:51] <gr8m8> I was getting my breakfast
[02:51] <gr8m8> fix it yourself
[02:51] <tiktalik> oh, okay.
[02:51] <tiktalik> Sorry.
[02:52] <tiktalik> It's just around here it's nowhere near food eating time.
[02:52] <tiktalik> Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01)
[02:53] <tiktalik> So would it be that one?
[02:54] <gr8m8> yep and the wiki talks about it
[02:54] <tiktalik> Okay.
[02:56] <tiktalik> Could not find package 'linux-backports-modules-wireless-lucid-generic'.
[02:56] <tiktalik> That's bad.
[03:01] <tiktalik> So what now?
[03:02] <tiktalik> Gr8m8?
[03:05] <tiktalik> Can't keep my stupid ethernet cable in.
[03:05] <tiktalik> Not even doing anything, and it keeps sliding out.
[03:06] <tiktalik> Came out again!
[03:08] <tiktalik> Hello!
[03:47] <RenaKunisaki> hey, I've just installed 10.10 and the terminal app doesn't seem to be executing my ~/.bashrc... any ideas?
[03:50] <gr8m8> RenaKunisaki:  have you done an update since installing?
[03:51] <RenaKunisaki> yes
[03:51] <gr8m8> do you have a .bash_profile?
[03:51] <RenaKunisaki> apparently not
[03:52] <RenaKunisaki> looks like I didn't have one before either
[03:52] <gr8m8> see if there is one in /etc/skel
[03:52] <RenaKunisaki> or would that be somewhere besides home >.>
[03:52] <gr8m8> could be in /etc
[03:53] <gr8m8> or in .profile
[03:54] <RenaKunisaki> yeah I see .profile here
[03:54] <RenaKunisaki> that's just a set of commands executed by each shell?
[03:55] <gr8m8> a basic .bash_profile just has the line   . $HOME/.bashrc
[03:55] <gr8m8> I've no idea what's in .profile I don't have it here
[03:56] <RenaKunisaki> hm actually something else is funny. even manually doing ". ~/.bashrc" nothing has happened. still the usual old prompt etc.
[03:57] <RenaKunisaki> hold on, I'm an idiot. let's try copying it to the right place.
[03:57] <RenaKunisaki> there we go. dur.
[03:58] <gr8m8> heh :)
[03:59] <RenaKunisaki> figures, I thought of that so I did "ls" to see if I'd copied to the current directory instead and it didn't show up, so I thought I must have done it right
[03:59] <RenaKunisaki> of course it doesn't show in "ls" without -a >.>
[03:59] <RenaKunisaki> me so smrt.
[04:00] <gr8m8> that always catches me out...
[04:01] <RenaKunisaki> I just wish programs didn't pollute $HOME with their .foo instead of .config/myapp/foo, then I could just alias ls to ls -a and be done with it.
[05:45] <ubUXUbu> happy new years Technicians of Xubuntu!
[05:45] <RenaKunisaki> yaaay
[06:30] <ubUXUbu> does xubuntu have any plans to develop wuxi?
[07:19] <Rena-> anyone? whenever I log in the screen flashes and I'm logged out again.
[07:30] <nullp0inter> hey i cant find the 'Places' part of my task bar like how it used to be in gnome..the reason being i want to browse thru my windows harddrive
[10:42] <MorphixNW> Good morning to all on the first day of this brand new year :)
[10:46] <MorphixNW> does anyone know of an application that can read barcodes from DVDs and CDs?
[10:46] <MorphixNW> I would like to create a database of my collection, however, I dont like the idea of manually entering each one, I have a barcode scanner
[10:56] <Myrtti> alexandria does books
[11:00] <rethus> i've try to add ppa:xubuntu-team/ppa to repositories, but got an error
[11:00] <rethus> any idea why?
[11:02] <rethus> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-team/+archive/ppa
[11:05] <rethus> help?
[11:08] <Sysi> rethus: add those deb and deb-src lines to /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:08] <Sysi> replace natty with your ubuntu version
[11:09] <Sysi> gksudo mousepad /etc/apt/sources.list iirc
[11:10] <rethus> k, i'll have a look
[11:10] <Sysi> or i'm not exactly sure what version should there be..
[11:10] <Sysi> depends about your ubuntu version and what you're installing i guess
[11:11] <Sysi> http://ppa.launchpad.net/xubuntu-team/ppa/ubuntu/dists/
[11:12] <Sysi> there's only very old versions, front page may be updated automatically
[11:12] <Sysi> what you'd want from there?
[11:17] <rethus> i have maverick
[11:17] <rethus> :( so there are no ppa packages ?!
[16:09] <BigGreenCanoe> good morning.  I recently moved from  ubuntu 10.10 to xubuntu 10.10.  I am not able to start xfce at the login although it worked until reboot. Any help?
[16:10] <Sysi> what does it do?
[16:10] <BigGreenCanoe> at login screen goes black and returns to login
[16:15] <Sysi> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/logging-in-sends-me-back-to-xubuntu-login-screen-im-trapped-789832/
[16:15] <Sysi> try what the last post suggests
[16:16] <BigGreenCanoe> cool thanks
[16:16] <Sysi> if you don*t have saved settings, just remove ~/.config/ in virtual terminal
[16:16] <BigGreenCanoe> okay
[16:45] <BigGreenCanoe> Sysi: Thanks.  Turns out it was an issue with .ICEauthority access.  I removed it and everything works now.
[18:46] <connecteduser> hello, how do I disable the screen energy saver or whatever
[18:46] <connecteduser> my laptop get stuck with a black screen anytime this thing kicks in..
[18:46] <Sysi> menu → settings → screensaver
[18:46] <Sysi> or power manager settings
[18:47] <connecteduser> hm.. clicking this actually runs the screensaver
[18:47] <connecteduser> in my case, cause an X reboot
[18:48] <Sysi> you could entirely remove screensaver
[18:48] <Sysi> package is xscreensaver iirc
[18:48] <connecteduser> I suppose I'll do that
[18:51] <connecteduser> probably something must be wrong with my graphics driver
[18:51] <connecteduser> i have an X crash each time I run wine too
[18:51] <connecteduser> XIO error 11
[19:22] <nicofs> I'm desperately looking for someone to help me fix my 3g connection... with network manager i can't connect (tries for some minutes and then gives up) - wvdial returns "No Carrier!"... i don't know what to do...
[19:34] <tiktalik> Yo
[19:34] <tiktalik> I need the jre, the jdk and eclipse
[19:35] <tiktalik> Nevermind
[19:48] <topgun21> I can't seem to get wicd to associate with my uncles wifi network
[20:38] <ShootEmUp> hello everyone
[20:43] <connecteduser> yo
[20:44] <ShootEmUp> whats up?
[20:45] <connecteduser> ceiling
[20:45] <ShootEmUp> test
[20:45] <connecteduser> I'm no bot
[20:45] <ShootEmUp> I know
[20:46] <ShootEmUp> I'm testing the WALLCHAN command
[20:46] <ShootEmUp> It works
[20:46] <connecteduser> and what's that cmd?
[20:47] <ShootEmUp> say something on all channels you are on
[20:48] <connecteduser> you live in carolina?
[20:48] <ShootEmUp> NC all the way
[20:48] <connecteduser> that's the name of the first chick I bonked :]
[20:48] <connecteduser> great memories
[20:56] <ShootEmUp> thank you for that great picture
[20:56] <connecteduser> no problem
[20:58]  * ShootEmUp Screems curse words at connecteduser for being a smart ***
[20:59] <ShootEmUp> :)
[20:59] <ShootEmUp> finaly found out how to do that
[21:01]  * ShootEmUp is sorry about being mean to connecteduser
[21:03] <connecteduser> it's "screams"
[21:03] <ShootEmUp> whatever
[21:05] <ShootEmUp> my spelling sucks, there you happy?
[21:07] <ShootEmUp> sooooooo, anyone have problems
[21:07] <connecteduser> you, it seems
[21:07] <ShootEmUp> :(
[21:07]  * ShootEmUp is sad
[21:08] <ShootEmUp> My name peggy, you have problem please
[21:12] <ShootEmUp> HAPPY NEW YEAR!
[21:20] <connecteduser> that's so old
[21:20] <connecteduser> that was almost 24 hours ago
[21:20] <ShootEmUp> 14 hours ago
[21:21] <connecteduser> not for me
[21:23] <ShootEmUp> where do you live at?
[21:24] <connecteduser> in europe
[21:24] <ShootEmUp> ok, I live in the USA
[21:24] <connecteduser> we're ahead of you guys in some many areas
[21:24] <TheSheep> may I interst you in #xubuntu-offtopic? :)
[21:24] <ShootEmUp> what do you mean by that???
[21:25] <connecteduser> you seem to be from the desert
[21:25] <connecteduser> I'm from the forest
[21:26] <ShootEmUp> I do not live in the desert, it is raining outside right now
[21:26] <ShootEmUp> I live in a small town
[21:26] <TheSheep> connecteduser: come and continue your offtopic conversation in #xubuntu-offtopic
[23:28] <fructose> I could use some help troubleshooting an internet connection. I set up Xubuntu to connect through a Windows computer with Internet Connection Sharing, but after rebooting Xubuntu, it doesn't connect any more. I can't be use it's Xubuntu and not Windows, but the Windows computer hasn't been rebooted
[23:28] <fructose> *can't be sure


[00:28] <BUGabundo> nite
[02:42] <ryanpg> anyone know offhand, what the replacement for network-manager and nm-applet is?
[03:08] <dotblank> ryanpg, wicd?
[03:09] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9377281#post9377281
[03:10] <holstein> maybe?
[03:12] <KurtKraut> If Launchpad detects a package has a new upstream release, does it mean it will be packaged for the next Ubuntu release? Like mtr 0.77: https://launchpad.net/mtr/+download
[03:46] <kklimonda> KurtKraut: no
[03:46] <KurtKraut> kklimonda, how can I suggest/request this package to be updated to the latest upstream version for Ubuntu oficial repositories?
[03:47] <kklimonda> KurtKraut: it's synced from debian so you should open a bug there.
[03:49] <KurtKraut> kklimonda, okay.. that's what I though at the first moment. But why Launchpad tracks the upstream FTP server and detects the latest version as available?
[03:49] <kklimonda> no idea
[03:49] <kklimonda> i would have to click on the link and i can't ;)
[03:50] <kklimonda> probably project is hosted on LP?
[03:51] <KurtKraut> kklimonda, no, certainly it is not. The project has a single FTP server, hosted by its maintainer.
[03:53] <kklimonda> you can ask at #launchpad about it
[03:55] <DanaG> hmm, upgraded my netbook to Maverick; don't yet see much different as a user.
[03:55] <KurtKraut> kklimonda, I've asked that before but nobody replied. I'll try that again.
[03:55] <KurtKraut> DanaG, the only difference you should expect is instability and random crashes.
[03:57] <DanaG> Well, my netbook already had random GPU hangs before Maverick.  I'm leaving my primary system (the "real laptop") on Lucid.
[03:58] <KurtKraut> DanaG, are you aware that you should not rely on Maverick as your main system because it is expected to crash, right?
[04:10] <NinoScript> Hello!
[04:10] <NinoScript> :D
[04:10] <NinoScript> I'm updating :3
[04:20] <DanaG> KurtKraut: that's exactly what I was saying.... the netbook is not my main system.
[04:20] <DanaG> But the netbook had "nothing to lose", so to speak.
[05:04] <theadmin> hm, so A1 is out, great, just wanted to ask lol
[05:19] <td123> after a fresh install of maverick alpha 1 I get "error: opening the cache E:problem parsing dependency Depends, E:Error occurred while processing libopensync0-dev (NewVersion1), E:Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_universe_binary-i386_Packages, E:The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. This usually means that your installed packages have unmet dependencies."
[05:36] <stenten> td123: run 'sudo apt-get install -f'
[05:36] <stenten> stenten er
[05:37] <stenten> no that's right, nevermind.
[05:38] <stenten> (and apt-get update before that, obviously)
[05:43] <td123> I did
[05:43] <td123> ok, so it seems that the us mirror is broken
[05:43] <td123> I switched to the main server and it fixed the error
[06:06] <theadmin> Hm, is the Ubuntu Manual project going to make a Maverick version, too?
[06:16] <magn3ts> Hi, I'm a noob. Can anyone tell me what the difference is between these two MOBOS> GIGABYTE GA-P55-USB3 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128425) and GIGABYTE GA-P55A-UD3 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128412)
[06:21] <stenten> !offtopic
[06:28] <magn3ts> stenten, oh crap I meant to join OT sorry!
[06:28] <stenten> no worries
[07:13] <NinoScript> So, is there anything new in this Alpha?
[08:15] <dupondje> NinoScript: every day there is something new :D
[08:59] <BUGabundo_remote> Summer gives us pretty short clothes :)
[09:00] <ddecator> why yes it does
[09:00] <arand> Is secirity.ubuntu.com only one single mirror? Is that why it's so godawfully slow?
[09:03] <BUGabundo_remote> no
[09:03] <BUGabundo_remote> several mirros mirro it
[09:03] <BUGabundo_remote> with ubuntu-security repop
[09:03] <BUGabundo_remote> but ask jpds
[09:03] <BUGabundo_remote> he is the mirror go to guy
[09:03] <BUGabundo_remote> # deb http://mirrors.fe.up.pt/pub/ubuntu/ lucid-security main restricted universe multiverse
[09:04] <jpds> ohai.
[09:04] <jpds> arand: It is not only one single machine.
[09:04] <arand> Ok
[09:04] <BUGabundo_remote> arand: plus there's no secuirty in devel cycle
[09:05] <jpds> arand: The two of them just happen to be having fun pushing out kernel updates.
[09:05]  * arand was being a bit cheeky and talking about lucid ...
[09:06] <jpds> arand: Said kernel update is being pushed to the mirrors right now.
[09:06] <jpds> Well, the -updates pocket so it will lighten the load a bit.
[09:07] <arand> jpds: I figured, it was not too long ago it was pushed out...
[09:07] <jpds> Yes; that's why I'm pushing buttons to force it out.
[09:09] <arand> And it's this one that fixes kvm, right? No wonders it's getting some traffic
[09:13] <jpds> Yes; the kvm thing only broke in Lucid.
[09:19] <jpds> arand: Things should be feeling better now.
[09:22] <arand> jpds: Yea, I looked into my sources.list, and it seems that it defaults to security.ubuntu.com unless I again choose my local mirror, which will then set it properly to the security pocket there... Does that men that everyone by default is hitting only main for their security updates or is "security.ubuntu.com" if I have it specified as such in sources.list still not one single instance?
[09:22] <arand> *mean
[09:24] <jpds> arand: I think mostly everyone is hitting security.u.c unless they choose something else.
[09:24] <BUGabundo_remote> arand: http://geekandpoke.typepad.com/geekandpoke/2010/06/simply-explained-1.htm
[09:24] <jpds> Most -security updates are rolled in -updates so that people fetch them off mirrors.
[09:25] <arand> Ah, ok, but the period in between is the messy point..
[09:26] <jpds> Yep.
[09:31] <arand> Makes sense to me now, thanks for the info! (now for a reboot and see if kvm fires up again)
[09:32] <jpds> No worries.
[12:55] <BUGabundo_remote> yofel: _that_ was weird
[13:37] <jonathonf> hmm... is flash crashing in firefox for anyone else? works fine in chromium...
[13:39] <BUGabundo_remote> not using FF
[13:49] <gnomefreak> jonathonf: flash orks here in firefox
[13:49] <gnomefreak> s/orks/works
[13:50] <jonathonf> gnomefreak: 32-bit or 64-bit?
[13:51] <gnomefreak> 32
[13:51] <jonathonf> ah, i'm running 64-bit with 64-bit flashplugin... i'll do some more digging
[14:41] <Ian_Corne> apt-p2p still broken?
[15:03] <Ian_Corne> wonder when .35 will start showing up :)
[15:04] <jonathonf> it's already in the mainline ppa thingy
[15:04] <Ian_Corne> yeah
[15:10] <BUGabundo_remote> pff
[15:10] <BUGabundo_remote> im running .32
[15:10] <BUGabundo_remote> so i can use gwibber
[15:10] <BUGabundo_remote> lameless
[15:13] <gnomefreak> ppa thingy?
[15:14] <jonathonf> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[15:14] <gnomefreak> jonathonf: thnaks
[15:15] <jonathonf> it's not a real ppa but has ppa in the url... it's a ppa thingy :D
[15:15] <BUGabundo_remote> ahahhaaahaahaahaahahahahahaahahahah
[15:19] <gnomefreak> anyone else having problems with nvidia?
[15:20] <jonathonf> <- ati 5650
[15:20] <BUGabundo_remote> working fine here gnomefreak
[15:21] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_remote: thanks
[15:42] <JFo> jonathonf, best way to describe the kernel PPA imo. and it is about to grow a bit too :)
[15:59] <NinoScript> List of GUI changes I notice in Maverick: Rhythmbox logo has black and yellow, Update Manager is slightly different and has fewer windows, the "keyboard-layout-changer" font is taller, the Software Center has History (nice). That's all I see in this first look at it
[16:32] <geohacker> hi how do I upgrade from Lucid to meerkat and get daily updates so that I can do testing?
[16:33] <geohacker> I have been told to change the sources.list replacing "lucid" to "meerkat". but that does not work. please help
[16:34] <patdk-wk> do-release-upgrade -d
[16:34] <SwedeMike> geohacker: stop listening to whoever told you that.
[16:35] <SwedeMike> hm , I see that http://www.webupd8.org/2010/05/how-to-upgrade-to-ubuntu-1010-maverick.html recommends that method. Why on earth do they do that?
[16:35] <patdk-wk> all my sources say lucid
[16:35] <patdk-wk> oh wait, this is my lucid box :)
[16:36] <geohacker> SwedeMike: but then why don't you tell me how to do that?
[16:36] <patdk-wk> I just did
[16:36] <patdk-wk> why should he tell you *again*
[16:36] <gnomefreak> use the command update-manager -d
[16:37] <patdk-wk> well, I used do-release-upgrade -d
[16:37] <gnomefreak> either way
[16:37] <geohacker> alright thanks!
[16:37] <SwedeMike> doesn't update-manager -d work anymore?
[16:38] <SwedeMike> seems not.
[16:38] <SwedeMike> at least not at this time.
[16:38] <patdk-wk> update-manager is gui, evil :)
[16:38] <geohacker> SwedeMike: It's working for me.
[16:38] <geohacker> SwedeMike: shows that 10.10 is available
[16:38] <SwedeMike> geohacker: update-manager -d, or do-release-upgrade -d ?
[16:39] <geohacker> both ways.
[16:39] <SwedeMike> did it work before you edited your apt.sources?
[16:39] <geohacker> SwedeMike: update-manager -d starts the update manager gui and shows the new release notification.
[16:39] <SwedeMike> geohacker: it doesn't on my lucid box here, anyway
[16:39] <geohacker> SwedeMike: I still the lucid source.list intact.
[16:40] <patdk-wk> ya, not doing it on this lucid box either
[16:40] <patdk-wk> neither is do-release-upgrade -d
[16:40] <patdk-wk> oh wait
[16:40] <geohacker> Whao! mine is doing some miracle then? !
[16:40] <patdk-wk> I have to change it from lts to normal I bet
[16:41] <patdk-wk> geohacker, or your lucid is more out of date than ours :)
[16:41] <patdk-wk> update-manager seems to have change it from normal to lts on me
[16:41] <SwedeMike> patdk-wk: well, mine is upgraded from 8.10->9.04->9.10->10.04, would it really be in "lts" mode?
[16:41] <geohacker> patdk-wk: perhaps right. I update only required packages that I test for accessibility. :)
[16:41] <patdk-wk> SwedeMike, mine is 9.10 -> 10.04
[16:41] <geohacker> SwedeMike: Never!
[16:41] <patdk-wk> so it sohuldn't be either, but it is
[16:42] <geohacker> patdk-wk: mine is fresh 10.04 install.
[16:42] <geohacker> and that makes the difference that mine is outdated.
[17:17] <NinoScript>  flash plugin stopped working :(
[17:17] <krabador> hi people, i only would know if history in ubuntu software center may uninstall installed software with all dependencies?
[17:17] <krabador> (without question mark...)
[17:19] <krabador> nobody have tried it?
[17:20] <SwedeMike> krabador: you probably need to rephrase or elaborate, at least I don't understand your question/statement.
[17:21] <NinoScript> krabador, neither did I :P
[17:21] <krabador> SwedeMike, "history" in ubuntu software center, let the user uninstall software with all dependencies?
[17:22] <SwedeMike> wow, first time I even heard about this, had to google and read wiki page to find out what it's about
[17:23] <krabador> SwedeMike, history had introduced by maverick
[17:23] <krabador> in ubuntu software center
[17:23] <SwedeMike> oki, well, I obviously know nothing about this :)
[17:24] <NinoScript> you're asking about if it can "remove completely" as synaptic does?
[17:25] <krabador> yes, i want know if it can remove completely
[17:26] <krabador> with synaptic, after installed kde by repository, i never uninstalled it completely
[17:28] <krabador> i ever hated synaptic for this
[18:00] <edgy> Hi, I just installed maverick, and I notice df -h shows
[18:00] <edgy> /dev/sda3               1        1826    14664704   83  Linux
[18:00] <edgy> /dev/sda4            1826        1912      692224   82  Linux swap / Solaris
[18:00] <edgy> and this is a default installation choosing free space option
[18:00] <edgy> isn't this overlapping?
[18:02] <patdk-wk> show by sectors :)
[18:02] <Daviey> edgy: I can't reproduce this
[18:02] <patdk-wk> and that so can't be the output of dh -h :)
[18:03] <dupondje> true :P
[18:03] <edgy> patdk-wk: what's is the option to show by sectors?
[18:03] <edgy> patdk-wk, dupondje: sorry I meant fdisk -l
[18:04] <patdk-wk> normally u (for fdisk)
[18:05] <edgy> /dev/sda3            2048    29331455    14664704   83  Linux
[18:05] <edgy> /dev/sda4        29331456    30715903      692224   82  Linux swap / Solaris
[18:05] <edgy> it seems ok ;)
[18:07] <edgy> patdk-wk: so there I shouldn't care, right?
[18:07] <patdk-wk> not really
[18:08] <patdk-wk> it's just fdisk's rounding that is doing that
[18:19] <edgy> now gnome automount my partitions/disks which is nice, can kde do the same?
[18:23] <krabador> "history" in ubuntu software center, let the user uninstall software with all dependencies?
[18:37] <edgy> kdm doesn't allow me to choose other wm like gnome, is this a bug or the war began? ;)
[19:41] <BUGabundo> wow
[19:41] <BUGabundo> half of my OS wants to be removed
[19:41] <BUGabundo> I know I'm not the most pretty looking person
[19:41] <BUGabundo> but to scare away my own packages!?
[19:42] <BUGabundo> and funny enough, booting older kernel so I can have gwibber, and my nvidia aint working
[20:37] <yofel> bug 589841
[20:38] <yofel> at least apport still works...
[20:41] <cwillu_at_work> !info libpixman-1-0
[20:42] <cwillu_at_work> wonder if that'll install under lucid
[22:28] <knittl> hm, switching workspaces or apps is annoyingly slow today
[22:29] <yofel> wth, dolphin reads the whole file for no apparent reason just because I move the mouse over it o.O
[22:34] <BUGabundo> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=45625 chromium doesn't like zoom :S
[22:47] <yofel> man, this makes dolphin practically unusable...
[22:49] <BUGabundo> yofel: try the old kernel an nv driver
[22:49] <BUGabundo> laptop is HOT
[22:49] <BUGabundo> and slooowwwwww
[22:49] <BUGabundo> like a pentium 2
[22:52] <yofel> why are you using nv?
[22:53] <BUGabundo> old kernel won't start nvidia
[22:53] <BUGabundo> starts fail-x
[22:53] <yofel> why are you using an old kernel?
[22:53] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: why not nouveau?
[22:53] <BUGabundo> and when restarted X , starts in nv or whatever I'm running
[22:53] <BUGabundo> yofel: gwibber , or better desktop couch
[22:54] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: maybe its that... its something other then blob
[22:54] <BUGabundo> no 3D and slowwww
[22:54] <yofel> ah, someone mentioned it was broken, right
[22:54] <yofel> well, it works fine here, I don't use gwibber though
[22:55] <yofel> it would be nice if my NVS 3100M would tell me it's temperature...
[22:55] <yofel> *its
[22:55] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: well, nouveau isn't really slow and it shouldn't boil your laptop
[22:56] <BUGabundo> I did! I've been complaining of it all week
[22:56] <BUGabundo> but it does kklimonda
[22:57] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: probably pros of using early alphas ;)_)
[22:57] <yofel> it didn't here when I tried ti yesterday. I'm back on nvidia as nouveau doesn't support many kwin plugins :(
[22:58] <BUGabundo> apperntly the bug is in the new .34 kernel
[22:58] <BUGabundo> its locks too much
[22:59] <BUGabundo> and then pmutex or what ever won't be allowed
[22:59] <BUGabundo> so they are fixing "desktop couch" the wrong way
[22:59] <BUGabundo> ie waiting for the kernel to be more relax :S
[22:59] <yofel> oh nice, it's not just dolphin bug konqueror as well that reads whole files for no reason (I suspect it does it to display the meta informaton...)
[22:59]  * yofel takes a axe and looks at nepomuk...
[23:02] <yofel> pcmanfm seems to work fine, lxde to the resque...
[23:02] <yofel> *rescue
[23:02] <yofel> I'm getting tired..
[23:07] <BUGabundo> bye
[23:07] <BUGabundo> see on Monday