[01:04] <ColonelKernel> thoreauputic, the program doesnt - he just didnt pay attention to the association settings when he installed winrar
[01:04] <[LethAL] > thoreauputic, it does. IZArc can convert them though, which is nice
[01:04] <thoreauputic> topyli: nothing wrong with reading the iso
[01:04] <N6REJ> clark070: yep!
[01:04] <irvin> !w23codecs
[01:04] <ubotu> Not a clue, irvin
[01:04] <N6REJ> clark070: though it makes one HELL of a frisbee
[01:04] <topyli> thoreauputic: oh no. sometimes you want to look inside
[01:04] <fish> Hello ALL: how can i get gedit to open documents in a new tab, and not a totally new program/window, a la a browser?
[01:04] <[LethAL] > I want a 23 bit CPU!
[01:04] <neotrophy> Asked this in #kubuntu, and was sumarily ignored...   I can see how to do transparency, but not shadows (kde 3.4)?
[01:04] <[LethAL] > :D
[01:04] <thoreauputic> topyli: exactly
[01:04] <N6REJ> 23bit?
[01:05] <clark070> he he he
[01:05] <clark070> i'll just give it then to my daugther
[01:05] <clark070> and let her play with it
[01:05] <Hobbsee> lol...she'll like that
[01:05] <thoreauputic> topyli: but an ISO is an ISO and should be left as such unless you wish otherwise
[01:05] <[LethAL] > thoreauputic, when is an ISO not an ISO...
[01:05] <[LethAL] > ?*
[01:05] <epic_> too many applications are association thieves
[01:05] <clark070> btw, what's more faster, direct download or torrent
[01:05] <[LethAL] > Torrent usually
[01:06] <thoreauputic> [LethAL] : when it is misinterpreted :)
[01:06] <N6REJ> more faster?
[01:06] <N6REJ> lol
[01:06] <N6REJ> :P
[01:06] <[LethAL] > LOL
[01:06] <Hobbsee> lol of course
[01:06] <irvin> i need the link for w32codecs please
[01:06] <irvin> !w32codecs
[01:06] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, w32codecs is a set of codecs for popular audio/video formats (wmv etc). Install from http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/87ofx (Breezy)
[01:06] <Hobbsee> should have done yesterday's download from a torrent
[01:06] <samu2> Why does firefox keep crashing for me?
[01:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> this look familar to anyone? http://pastebin.com/386055
[01:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> :(
[01:06] <Hobbsee> samu2: run it in safe mode yet?
[01:06] <N6REJ> I thought bit torrents were slower?
[01:07] <samu2> Hobbsee, nope. Didn't realize it had a safe mode.
[01:07] <Hobbsee> irvin: http://giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/ and download the deb from there
[01:07] <epic_> depends
[01:07] <Hobbsee> that's easier
[01:07] <epic_> I get good speed on both for ubuntu
[01:07] <Hobbsee> samu2: it does, and that will tell you if it's a problem with one of the extensions
[01:07] <epic_> torrents get up to 400k, direct about 200
[01:07] <fish> where do i go to see the current state of a reported bug in ubuntu?
[01:07] <N6REJ> for some reason i'm crawling tonight, only 45kb
[01:07] <[LethAL] > N6REJ, linux torrents are allways fast
[01:07] <[LethAL] > ;)
[01:07] <chrizel> hi
[01:07] <N6REJ> so how do you dl in torrent mode?
[01:07] <[LethAL] > ubotu, forget gay
[01:08] <ubotu> [LethAL] : i forgot gay
[01:08] <ubuntulover>
[01:08] <epic_> N6REJ, grab the torrent
[01:08] <Hobbsee> samu2: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Safe_mode
[01:08] <aftertaf> N6REJ:  hows it keeping, the machine?
[01:08] <clark070> more faster to download i mean
[01:08] <[LethAL] > more faster? lol
[01:09] <clark070> then what's the term for that
[01:09] <N6REJ> aftertaf: wellllllllllllllllllllllllllllll........... lets just say we're RE RE RE RE RE downloading the updates
[01:09] <thoreauputic> can anyone help ubuntulover find a channel for his/her language?
[01:09] <chrizel> Is the breezy bootsplash available on ppc? I don't get it here...
[01:09] <rob^> !ca
[01:09] <ubotu> rob^: Wish i knew
[01:09] <rob^> grr
[01:09] <intelikey> more faster is more gooder
[01:09] <clark070> ok
[01:09] <clark070> direct or torrent
[01:09] <epic_> I think it might be #ununtu-TW or ubuntu-zh
[01:09] <[LethAL] > Torrent!
[01:09] <epic_> torrent!
[01:09] <aftertaf> N6REJ:  why's that?
[01:09] <clark070> ok
[01:09] <clark070> i'll do that tom
[01:09] <epic_> I think it might be #ubuntu-TW or ubuntu-zh
[01:09] <fish> hello all: where do i go to report bugs???
[01:09] <aftertaf> fish /topic
[01:09] <[LethAL] > !bugzilla
[01:09] <clark070> i only have a dial up here at home
[01:09] <ubotu> I heard bugzilla is at http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[01:10] <clark070> and dsl at school
[01:10] <clark070> :-)
[01:10] <N6REJ> aftertaf: same same.. keeps giving me the same dumb error.
[01:10] <[LethAL] > clark070, shipit
[01:10] <Hobbsee> clarck070: definetly worht doing it at school then :P
[01:10] <aftertaf> fish:  sorry, no  longer in topic :/
[01:10] <Hobbsee> clark070: definetly worht doing it at school then :P
[01:10] <clark070> yeah
[01:10] <baskak> dear friends, i would like to ask for help regarding partitioning for ubuntu i just bumped onto
[01:10] <aftertaf> N6REJ:  dpkg error? what is it exactly, and with which package?
[01:10] <baskak> I tried to "save up" space for Ubuntu using built-in partitioning utility. (I have a laptop with 40GB hdd, a ca. 6 GB WinXP partition and 33GB "everything else" partition.) I have resized the second partition (labelled as "d:") and put, using automation, two Linux partitions. The Ubuntu utility reported that it cannot properly set up the Linux partitions, though (I didn't write down the announcement). So I undid the change, and Ubuntu partitionin
[01:11] <clark070> does ubuntu use FAT32 on its file system
[01:11] <[LethAL] > ubotu, forget who owns you
[01:11] <ubotu> [LethAL] : i forgot who owns you
[01:11] <aftertaf> clark070:  nope
[01:11] <thoreauputic> clark070: no
[01:11] <[LethAL] > clark070, no, bouut it can read and write from it
[01:11] <[LethAL] > but*
[01:11] <clark070> i see
[01:11] <N6REJ> aftertaf: thats the part we've never been able to figure out yet.... the only error I get is that dpkg failed.
[01:11] <N6REJ> aftertaf: I'm trying it with aptitude now.
[01:11] <clark070> can it be installed on the same partition where my windows resides
[01:11] <aftertaf> paste me PM the exact message.....
[01:11] <epic_> no
[01:11] <aftertaf> N6REJ:  or try synaptic.
[01:12] <fish> to all: I'm looking at http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6829#c3, I want to get the described upload. How do i get it?
[01:12] <clark070> epic_ : does that answer my question
[01:12] <epic_> sorry, yes clark070
[01:12] <N6REJ> aftertaf: if this fails again I'll ask you about synaptic
[01:12] <aftertaf> ok
[01:12] <epic_> they can not be on the same partition
[01:12] <clark070> but can it be uninstalled
[01:13] <epic_> uninstalled from?
[01:13] <clark070> from my pc
[01:13] <epic_> you mean if you install it on anotyher partition?
[01:13] <baskak> I feel I put too much trust into the Ubuntu tool and its intuitivity. Please help!
[01:13] <thoreauputic> clark070: you need free space for an Ubuntu partition
[01:13] <dooglus> epic_: I just made a version of root-tail which works with the nautilus desktop.  interested?
[01:13] <epic_> dooglus,   sure am!
[01:13] <dooglus> epic_: source or binary?
[01:13] <epic_> source please
[01:13] <dooglus> epic_: I 'borrowed' the code from xpenguins
[01:13] <clark070> thoreauputic: then in order for me to remove it, i have to format the partition where i installed ubuntu
[01:14] <epic_> my ma told me never accept binary off strangers
[01:14] <dooglus> epic_: get toon_root.c from the xpenguins source package
[01:14] <aftertaf> fish:  gedit (2.9.6-0ubuntu2)
[01:14] <aftertaf> what version do you have installed?
[01:14] <thoreauputic> clark070: yes, but it isn't usually a problem since windows formats anything it can't understand anyway :)
[01:14] <topyli> dooglus: does xpenguins work well with nautilus these days? without breaking the desktop icons?
[01:15] <thoreauputic> clark070: but you can wipe the partition if you wish, sure
[01:15] <aftertaf> fish:  its not an file you can download from bz, its an update in the repos.
[01:15] <dooglus> topyli: I don't know.
[01:15] <aftertaf> thoreauputic:  this disk is not formatted, do you want to format it now?
[01:15] <N6REJ> hmmmmmmmmmmmmm its not starting the torrent
[01:15] <aftertaf> thoreauputic:  error please insert disk
[01:15] <thoreauputic> topyli: it redraws the icons I think
[01:15] <dooglus> topyli: I only used the code which finds the root window to draw on
[01:15] <aftertaf> N6REJ:  give it time.
[01:15] <clark070> thoreauputic: will i be having a menu of what OS i want to load
[01:15] <N6REJ> k
[01:16] <Hobbsee> clark070: grub, i would think so
[01:16] <thoreauputic> clark070: yes, grub bootloader does all that for you
[01:16] <topyli> thoreauputic: i'd like them to gracefully fly through the icons, or to regard them as objects/obstacles
[01:16] <clark070> i see
[01:16] <clark070> thoreauputic: you're using ubuntu right now
[01:17] <thoreauputic> topyli: afaics the penguins still destroy the icons - but they return :)
[01:17] <thoreauputic> clark070: yup
[01:17] <thoreauputic> clark070: so are most people here :)
[01:17] <dooglus> epic_: I made a patch for root-tail.c here: http://s89213869.onlinehome.us/root-tail.patch
[01:17] <epic_> danke
[01:17] <fish> aftertaf: i have version 2.10.2, and the suggested file is 2.9.x. how do i fix things with my version? I want gedit to always open double-clicked files in one and the same window.
[01:18] <clark070> thoreauputic: is it true that it's more popular than lindows
[01:18] <thoreauputic> dooglus: the originators might be interested in your patch :)
[01:18] <N6REJ> <------ just figured out what is hogging his network, 3 simultaneous large downloads LOL.... the server running its updates, the torrent, and the daily via firefox LOL
[01:18] <N6REJ> OOPS
[01:18] <topyli> thoreauputic: yes, i'm testing right now and they do make holes in my prescious folders. not permanent luckily :)
[01:18] <thoreauputic> clark070: I have no idea :)
[01:18] <clark070> thoreauputic: linxspire rather
[01:18] <mmorph> hi
[01:19] <mmorph> does the breezy preview cd for amd64 recognize my ALi SATA?
[01:19] <Hobbsee> greetings
[01:19] <thoreauputic> clark070: it's very hard to put numbers on linux distributions - they are freely redistributable
[01:19] <N6REJ> nanu nanu
[01:19] <jmg> haha
[01:19] <dooglus> thoreauputic:, epic_: it doesn't work very well...  root-tail draws ok now, but it doesn't seem to get expose events, so it doesn't re-draw reliably when you close windows
[01:19] <jmg> xorg is such a hack
[01:19] <pschulz01> Using breezy on a laptop, and I am having a problem with the network 'location' settings. For some reason the DNS servers are not getting saved/set correctly.
[01:19] <clark070> thoreauputic: you are familiar with Cedega
[01:19] <clark070> N6REJ: do you know that "nanu"
[01:20] <thoreauputic> clark070: no, I know nothing about cedega or wine etc - I use Ubuntu all the time and no windows programs
[01:20] <pschulz01> I have two separate locations, one is DHCP.. I am currently connected at the other 'location' (home).
[01:21] <clark070> cedega is a 3rd party software for linux system
[01:21] <Hobbsee> !cedega
[01:21] <ubotu> help for cedega is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega and for a list of working games see http://cedegawiki.sweetleafstudios.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
[01:21] <pschulz01> The DNS servers for the DHCP location (work) keep getting set instead.
[01:21] <clark070> it's like a bridge so that you can play window base game on linux system
[01:21] <aftertaf> fish:  refile a bug then... saying you have a higher version and the same problem. they'll contact you.
[01:21] <N6REJ> pschulz01: check your "/etc/resolv.conf"
[01:22] <thoreauputic> clark070: we know what it is :)
[01:22] <Shin_Gouki> hi i downloaded the OO 2 RC1 tar.gz file, i unpacked them now i have a folder with lots of rpm files how do i install OO 2 RC1 now..?
[01:22] <clark070> thoreauputic: ooppss, sorry
[01:22] <clark070> thoreauputic: tot ur not familiar with it
[01:22] <aftertaf> Shin_Gouki:  look in the forler for a file called INSTALL or README
[01:22] <thoreauputic> clark070: I don't need it ;-)
[01:22] <[LethAL] > damn, got there first :(
[01:22] <topyli> Shin_Gouki: get pavel's debs instead
[01:22] <clark070> ok
[01:22] <Shin_Gouki> aftertaf, there is read me but no install guide :(
[01:22] <N6REJ> rpm's ?
[01:23] <[LethAL] > !alien
[01:23] <ubotu> [alien]  a program to convert RPMs to DEBs. Can give problems. Website: http://www.kitenet.net/programs/alien/
[01:23] <aftertaf> Shin_Gouki:  holy trinity then
[01:23] <Shin_Gouki> right rpm
[01:23] <N6REJ> rpm's are REDHAT package Management
[01:23] <pschulz01> N6REJ: Yep.. did that. Changed it to 'home' settings, but where are the 'location' configuration saved.. as I'd like to check that as well.
[01:23] <clark070> thoreauputic: is it easy to setup a LAN on ubuntu
[01:23] <[LethAL] > speaking of rpms...
[01:23] <aftertaf> Shin_Gouki:  id not install it iiwy.
[01:23] <Hobbsee> Shin_Gouki: why didnt you get the .deb version?
[01:23] <topyli> Shin_Gouki: ftp://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/devel/680/SRC680_m130/Build-2/
[01:23] <topyli> get the debs
[01:23] <thoreauputic> clark070: well, not hard - but a bit of reading helps
[01:23] <aftertaf> Shin_Gouki:  if you dont know how, you can break your system
[01:24] <Shin_Gouki> oh no
[01:24] <Hobbsee> clark070: my lan worked right out of the box
[01:24] <aftertaf> do like topyli says get the debs
[01:24] <Dreamglider> is there a VNC client/server for Ubuntu ?
[01:24] <thoreauputic> !tell clark070 about docs
[01:24] <Shin_Gouki> dont tell me i donloaded 100 MB of wrong things?
[01:24] <airtonix> i just got my laptop (that has only lan access) to boot from a pxe image served by a winxp tftp server
[01:24] <clark070> Hobbsee: does it have a choice whether it'll be a workstation or a server
[01:24] <aftertaf> Shin_Gouki:  it only cost you time and saved you from breaking things ;)
[01:24] <intelikey> Dreamglider yes
[01:24] <topyli> Shin_Gouki: you downloaded 100 MB of wrong things
[01:24] <Shin_Gouki> ok
[01:24] <aftertaf> airtonix:  pxe linux image?
[01:25] <aftertaf> looool topyli :)
[01:25] <Hobbsee> oh...as in an actual lan, or a workstation as part of a lan?
[01:25] <Shin_Gouki> topyli, if i now download ur things
[01:25] <airtonix> yeah followed a gq on the ubuntu forum
[01:25] <airtonix> a faq
[01:25] <clark070> GUYS: actually, tommorow might be the first time that i'll be using UBUNTU
[01:25] <aftertaf> airtonix:  nice :)
[01:25] <Shin_Gouki> topyli, those : ftp://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/devel/680/SRC680_m130/Build-2/
[01:25] <aftertaf> RIS has its uses
[01:25] <Hobbsee> yay clark070!
[01:25] <topyli> Shin_Gouki: those are pavel janik's packages, he always has the latest builds
[01:25] <Dreamglider> clark070, pleas do so :)
[01:25] <Shin_Gouki> topyli, this will run on my system & its OO 2 RC1?
[01:25] <airtonix> but im stuck at the server selection bit
[01:25] <clark070> that's why i have lots of question about it
[01:25] <Shin_Gouki> topyli, i want kinda stable OO 2?
[01:25] <Telonir> can i share the swap partition between fedora and ubuntu?
[01:26] <Hobbsee> Telonir: i would think so
[01:26] <Shin_Gouki> topyli, is it aBIT stable?
[01:26] <thoreauputic> clark070: when you've installed, we can help with your questions better
[01:26] <Telonir> think...?
[01:26] <topyli> Shin_Gouki: yes. get OOo_SRC680_m130_mk_native_LinuxIntel_install_deb.tar.gz
[01:26] <pschulz01> clark070: Do you need to connect to a LAN, or create LAN services (eg. DHCP, Samba, Web)?
[01:26] <airtonix> can i dump the contents of the iso as files into a folder under apache on the xp machine?
[01:26] <topyli> Shin_Gouki: plus the langpack for your language
[01:26] <thoreauputic> clark070: or experiment with the live CD
[01:26] <Telonir> if i am going to do that i need to know
[01:26] <N6REJ> topyli: still no bittorrent start
[01:26] <Hobbsee> Shin_Gouki: seems stable enough here
[01:27] <clark070> yup
[01:27] <topyli> N6REJ: try downloading directly
[01:27] <Shin_Gouki> ok
[01:27] <clark070> that's it
[01:27] <aftertaf> N6REJ:  hmmmm.
[01:27] <N6REJ> HOLY COW BATMAN IT WORKD!!!!
[01:27] <steve_don> Telnor: I have used a swap area between gentoo and ubuntu without any problems so you should be fine
[01:27] <clark070> BSA got so serious with Microsoft
[01:27] <aftertaf> N6REJ:  and the dpkg thing :/
[01:27] <Shin_Gouki> topyli, were do i find language packs?
[01:27] <clark070> that's why some of the net cafe here are switching with linux system
[01:27] <N6REJ> aftertaf: DONE!!! it asked me what dictionary I wanted :D
[01:27] <Dreamglider> i just installed ubuntu on my laptop and stationary, it's nice :)
[01:27] <aftertaf> cool
[01:27] <clark070> glad to think that we are lisence at school, :-)
[01:27] <Telonir> its just that ubuntu's setup wabts to format it...
[01:27] <N6REJ> aftertaf: now its doing other stuff.
[01:28] <aftertaf> yeah
[01:28] <topyli> Shin_Gouki: they are in a subdirectory called OOo_SRC680_m130_native_LinuxIntel_langpacks_deb
[01:28] <aftertaf> N6REJ:  lots of stuff :)
[01:28] <Hobbsee> Telonir: that's fine, i recall
[01:28] <N6REJ> <---- celebratory cig & pepsi
[01:28] <N6REJ> {_}?
[01:28] <aftertaf> !cigarette
[01:28] <Telonir> k
[01:28] <ubotu> It's bad to smoke, but aftertaf needs one all the same...  Here dude, have a light :)
[01:28] <airtonix> has anyone done this before? installing via a windoze xp lan
[01:28] <clark070> thoreauputic: will i still be needing that drivers of my hardware
[01:28] <steve_don> Telonir: theres nothing in there that you will loose anyway
[01:28] <Shin_Gouki> topyli, i thanku very much!
[01:29] <clark070> thoreauputic: or ubuntu has tons of driver on its bank
[01:29] <aftertaf> airtonix:  somebody somewhere surely, but hardcore welldoneness fromme :)
[01:29] <airtonix> dreamglider: how did you do it?
[01:29] <aftertaf> clark070:  depends on what h/w
[01:29] <thoreauputic> clark070: ubuntu has most drivers built-in
[01:29] <topyli> Shin_Gouki: build_1 seems to have more languages, build_2 langpack directory apparently only contains bug-fixed ones.
[01:29] <Dreamglider> airtonix, install ubuntu ?
[01:29] <N6REJ> is it going to be a big deal to change the video card AFTER all these updates are done?
[01:29] <aftertaf> N6REJ:  nope
[01:29] <pschulz01> airtonix: it shouldn't be a problem at all if you can setup your IP networking correctly (IP Address and Gateway)
[01:29] <aftertaf> not really......
[01:29] <clark070> thoreauputic: even boards with built in LAN, Sound, and Video Card
[01:29] <thoreauputic> clark070: some wireless cards need windows drivers as well (ndiswrapper)
[01:29] <N6REJ> I just realised I've got my GOOD video card in the server LOL
[01:29] <N6REJ> k
[01:30] <aftertaf> lol N6REJ change xorg first though ;)
[01:30] <N6REJ> *whew*
[01:30] <thoreauputic> clark070: my board is like that
[01:30] <aftertaf> what card is it?
[01:30] <N6REJ> aftertaf: thats in it now?
[01:30] <airtonix> yeah im actually looking at the screen that lets you choose an archive to begin installing from
[01:30] <Dreamglider> on the stationary i installed 5.10 from CD and on my laptop i installed 5.04 of the internet and updated to 5.10 :)
[01:30] <fish> aftertaf: but the bug's solution included installing the server file of gedit. Maybe that's what I need? What's a server file anyway?
[01:30] <[LethAL] > ubotu, winamp is <reply>You can get Winamp 3 for Linux at http://fileforum.betanews.com/download/Winamp_3_for_Linux/1002748075/1. It currently does not work with ubuntu
[01:30] <ubotu> okay, [LethAL]
[01:30] <aftertaf> no, the one you wanna put in.
[01:30] <Hobbsee> Dreamglider: the update went ok?
[01:30] <thoreauputic> clark070: if it is supported, the kernel will contain drivers for it
[01:30] <topyli> Shin_Gouki: looks like i told you to download the mk_native package. you almost certainly want the US_native package though :(
[01:30] <Dreamglider> yes
[01:30] <clark070> i see
[01:30] <aftertaf> ubotu:  forget winamp
[01:30] <ubotu> i forgot winamp, aftertaf
[01:30] <[LethAL] > :/
[01:30] <thoreauputic> clark070: called modules in linux, actually
[01:30] <Shin_Gouki> topyli, i wanted if possible german language OO
[01:30] <Hobbsee> lol aftertaf
[01:31] <aftertaf> hehe
[01:31] <Dreamglider> Hobbsee, yes
[01:31] <aftertaf> who needs that.
[01:31] <N6REJ> aftertaf: let me look, its the only other card I got.... S3 Virge DX
[01:31] <topyli> Shin_Gouki: so get the US package, and a german langpack
[01:31] <[LethAL] > Hmmm...
[01:31] <aftertaf> oki.
[01:31] <Shin_Gouki> topyli, can u give me hint were i find this language packe?
[01:31] <Hobbsee> [LethAL] : you need to change what the !ntfs shows - the program it refers to is absolute rubbish and ought to be taken outside and stomped on
[01:31] <clark070> oki doki
[01:31] <aftertaf> Hobbsee:  you can do it too
[01:31] <topyli> Shin_Gouki: go up a directory, dive into Build_1 directory
[01:31] <[LethAL] > ubotu, winamp is use XMMS or Beep Media Player (BMP) instead (Winamp for linux doesn't work on Ubuntu)
[01:31] <ubotu> okay, [LethAL]
[01:32] <[LethAL] > Hmmm
[01:32] <Hobbsee> aftertaf: that's true
[01:32] <[LethAL] > !ntfs
[01:32] <ubotu> well, ntfs is the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP.  To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s, you can use this utility: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab . It handles HFS+, NTFS and FAT32 partitions.
[01:32] <N6REJ> aftertaf: its an ancient 4/8mb pci card, but for the server, who cares!  My son won't be happy with the TNT2 32mb agp card, but its the best one I've got that I'm NOT using.
[01:32] <[LethAL] > I see
[01:32] <Dreamglider> Winamp is nice, so is XMMS the only thing i want would like in XMMS is the same "jump to file" as in Winamp where one can edit the que list
[01:32] <airtonix> yep looking at that screen to choose and archive and itseems like i cant connect to anything
[01:32] <Hobbsee> that winmac_fstab is rubbish
[01:32] <Shin_Gouki> topyli, ftp://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/devel/680/SRC680_m130/Build-2/OOo_SRC680_m130_en-US_native_LinuxIntel_install_deb.tar.gz but this file is the right US one?
[01:32] <Hobbsee> Shin_Gouki: yes
[01:32] <thoreauputic> don't change the ntfs factoid, please
[01:32] <topyli> Shin_Gouki: yes. i sware this time it's correct :)
[01:32] <[LethAL] > I wasn't going to :)
[01:32] <thoreauputic> Hobbsee: it isn't rubbish - many people have used it successfully
[01:32] <Shin_Gouki> topyli, i tzry to trust ^^
[01:33] <Dreamglider> Hobbsee, winamc_fstab works fine here
[01:33] <[LethAL] > But I've never used that program for my 2 ntfs partitions...
[01:33] <Dreamglider> winmac*
[01:33] <aftertaf> Hobbsee:  its for new new users......
[01:33] <thoreauputic> Hobbsee: please, no FUD
[01:33] <Hobbsee> right...i know i ended out fixing it's output earlier, because it mounted partitions incorrectly
[01:33] <aftertaf> it works, but i agree the spaces in the names aint good.
[01:33] <topyli> Shin_Gouki: german langpack plus help is at ftp://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/devel/680/SRC680_m130/Build-1/OOo_SRC680_m130_native_LinuxIntel_langpacks_deb/
[01:34] <Hobbsee> at least point to the mounting partitions in ubuntuguide
[01:34] <clark070> GUYS, is it okay if my hardware is this
[01:34] <[LethAL] > Erm.. that's not wise Hobbsee
[01:34] <thoreauputic> !ubuntuguide
[01:34] <ubotu> ubuntuguide is, like, totally, out of date, breaks PCs and doesn't explain anything. The official FAQ Guide, which is based on ubuntuguide will soon be the help menu in Breezy. For more information see !faq.
[01:34] <[LethAL] > ^^
[01:34] <Hobbsee> most of it still works
[01:34] <clark070> AMD Athlon XP
[01:34] <Hobbsee> well, some of it
[01:34] <Dreamglider> is there any good Windows emulator for Ubuntu
[01:34] <clark070> 256mb RAM
[01:34] <airtonix> dreamglider: so you just waited ages for it to download, coz my isp gives me mirrored linux files with no download qouta
[01:34] <clark070> and a 40GB hdd
[01:34] <aftertaf> clark070:  SDR or DDR?
[01:34] <thoreauputic> Hobbsee: we have to pick up the pieces when people use ubuntuguide
[01:35] <clark070> ddr
[01:35] <[LethAL] > Dreamglider, You probably don't need an emulator... WINE is a good compatibility layer
[01:35] <aftertaf> ok.. seems more than fine to me.
[01:35] <Dreamglider> airtonix, it took me about 40 minutes to install 5.04 from the net
[01:35] <thoreauputic> Hobbsee: main problenm is it's out of date
[01:35] <airtonix> what conn you got?
[01:35] <topyli> clark070: that's my machine exactly, except i have a duron CPU
[01:35] <clark070> is there any prob with sd
[01:35] <aftertaf> clark070:  most pbs come rom soundcard/videocard
[01:35] <N6REJ> clark070: mines a p2-350 with 384mb sdram and a 40mb OLD WD drive
[01:35] <Dreamglider> and another 40 min's to get 5.10 i have 2048/512
[01:35] <TiMiDo> clark070: sd?
[01:35] <Hobbsee> thoreauputic: well who can change it so it is in date?  the FAQ doesnt cover mounting windows partitions, last i saw
[01:35] <clark070> topyli: i see, and a built in audio, lan and sound card
[01:35] <r0xoR> will someone run a quick test for me... with vim and xterm?
[01:35] <topyli> clark070: i'm dreaming of more RAM but it does work quite well
[01:35] <aftertaf> clark070:  sdram, no.... just wondering for perf reasons
[01:36] <airtonix> dreamglider: sweeet
[01:36] <r0xoR> i want someone to launch an xterm and then run vim and switch to the "inkpot" colorscheme
[01:36] <clark070> ok
[01:36] <r0xoR> anyone in here use inkpot inside vim inside terminal?
[01:36] <r0xoR> does it work by default?
[01:36] <topyli> clark070: dunno, i disabled those the day i bought the motherboard and installed real cards
[01:36] <Dreamglider> It's allright but not that fast :)
[01:36] <N6REJ> aftertaf: ram is cheap right now.... I just bought a gig for under $100
[01:36] <clark070> can ubuntu still run on Pentium MMX
[01:36] <thoreauputic> Hobbsee: subscribe to the ubuntu-docs list - thay are putting together new docs
[01:36] <N6REJ> and that was ddr 400
[01:36] <Dreamglider> could be 10 or better yet 100Mbit
[01:36] <aftertaf> clark070:  yeah, but itll be slow.
[01:36] <r0xoR> clark070, it prolly still can yes
[01:36] <airtonix> dreamglider: weeel, im only on 512/128
[01:36] <thoreauputic> Hobbsee: some idea here http://ubuntu-doc.ath.cx/gnome/faqi386/C/index.html
[01:36] <clark070> but the ram in SIMM
[01:36] <clark070> ;-)
[01:37] <airtonix> dreamglider: so did you do a netboot?
[01:37] <thoreauputic> Hobbsee: although that isn't the final version
[01:37] <clark070> and just 32 or 64 i guess
[01:37] <aftertaf> edo :)
[01:37] <N6REJ> clark070: as long as you didn't want X I don't see why not.
[01:37] <Hobbsee> the reason i say it was rubbish:  that was what it came up with, mounting someones partitions. http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/385818 The last 2 entries are the ones i added later, and werent done by the program
[01:37] <clark070> N6REJ: what X
[01:37] <aftertaf> :)
[01:37] <baskak> hello, can anybody help, please?
[01:37] <aftertaf> !x
[01:37] <ubotu> aftertaf: I give up, what is it?
[01:37] <aftertaf> !X
[01:37] <ubotu> aftertaf: No idea
[01:37] <aftertaf> erf
[01:37] <N6REJ> no X?
[01:37] <Shin_Gouki> topyli, so this file will make my download OO german? : openoffice.org-de_1.9.130-1_i386.deb
[01:37] <aftertaf> baskak:  ask away
[01:38] <N6REJ> ubuntu doesn't use X?
[01:38] <aftertaf> Shin_Gouki:  Ja ;)
[01:38] <r0xoR> so... anyone willing to do me that favor? and tell me if inkpot renders correctly in xterm in vim?
[01:38] <Hobbsee> ah, i see it is there
[01:38] <airtonix> X as in X-windows?
[01:38] <thoreauputic> Hobbsee: I suggest you submit a patch to Dennis Kaarsemaker (seveas)
[01:38] <Shin_Gouki> :D
[01:38] <r0xoR> it'll take like two seconds
[01:38] <Dreamglider> airtonix, i downloaded a boot image and 4 disks from the ubuntu forum and dumped the to floppys then booted of the floppys
[01:38] <Hobbsee> i wouldnt know how to
[01:38] <aftertaf> thoreauputic:  i second that
[01:38] <N6REJ> yeah
[01:38] <topyli> Shin_Gouki: yes. if you want, you can get the -de-help_ package too. i don't know what the -de-res_ package is
[01:38] <airtonix> cool, wouldn;t have the url to the page for downloads.
[01:38] <clark070> ok
[01:38] <clark070> got to go guys
[01:38] <clark070> dinner time
[01:38] <clark070> tnx for the BIG HELP
[01:38] <clark070> thoreauputic: TNX
[01:38] <clark070> N6REJ: TNX
[01:39] <clark070> Hobbsee: TNX
[01:39] <N6REJ> clark070: yw  though I'm very new and very rusty
[01:39] <clark070> topyli: TNX
[01:39] <topyli> hehe
[01:39] <thoreauputic> Hobbsee: seems a bitmuch to call a script rubbish when you don't know what's wrong with it, wouldn't you say?
[01:39] <aftertaf> lol N6REJ you're already helping ppl after being here like a day or 2 :)
[01:39] <baskak> afterfaf: I tried to "save up" space for Ubuntu using built-in partitioning utility. (I have a laptop with 40GB hdd, a ca. 6 GB WinXP partition and 33GB "everything else" partition.) I have resized the second partition (labelled as "d:") and put, using automation, two Linux partitions. The Ubuntu utility reported that it cannot properly set up the Linux partitions, though (I didn't write down the announcement). So I undid the change, and Ubuntu p
[01:39] <clark070> got to guys
[01:40] <clark070> MANY TNX
[01:40] <N6REJ> aftertaf: tnx, I guess some of it is still stuck in the grey matter cells.
[01:40] <aftertaf> baskak:  and ubuntu what?
[01:40] <Hobbsee> thoreauputic: well, it wasnt working properly, and wasnt mounting the guy's partitions, like it was supposed to.
[01:40] <aftertaf> hehe
[01:40] <N6REJ> oh POOP
[01:40] <thoreauputic> Hobbsee: so submit a bug report to Seveas - he wrote it
[01:40] <N6REJ> broke at "gnome applets"
[01:40] <baskak> afterfaf: sorry?
[01:40] <N6REJ> same error as b4
[01:40] <airtonix> dreamglider: im going to try looking for it then... cheers for the awareness
[01:40] <N6REJ> brb, I've gotta go spank a child for not getting up for school
[01:40] <airtonix> adios
[01:40] <Dreamglider> airtonix, have a look at this -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29555
[01:41] <Dreamglider> damn
[01:41] <rob^> thoreauputic, is that the ubuntu setup script?
[01:41] <aftertaf> lol N6REJ
[01:41] <Hobbsee> thoreauputic: ok, wonder what to put in it...
[01:41] <thoreauputic> rob^: no - a windows/mac mounting script
[01:41] <rob^> ah
[01:42] <rob^> Hobbsee, just do it manually, its not that hard
[01:42] <baskak> aftertaf: pardon, mistyped your nick. can you help?
[01:42] <aftertaf> N6REJ:  rerun command, get it past the error.....
[01:42] <thoreauputic> Hobbsee: tell him what it did wrong - with precise examples, output if possible etc
[01:42] <aftertaf> baskak:  i didnt get the end of your message...
[01:42] <N6REJ> back
[01:42] <aftertaf> you undid the change and.............?
[01:42] <N6REJ> aftertaf: I haven't done anything yet
[01:42] <rob^> sheez.. people running scripts they know nothing about
[01:42] <psycode> hello, i can't mount my dvd-rom drive for some reason, i get mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc,    --- i can copy the line from fstab if it's needed
[01:42] <aftertaf> lol N6REJ
[01:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> !info life
[01:42] <Dreamglider> how do i install wine in ubuntu ?
[01:42] <bouil> hell
[01:42] <aftertaf> i meant baskak
[01:42] <bouil> o
[01:43] <thoreauputic> Hobbsee: he's on launchpad, or you can mail him offlist - he's on ubuntu-devel and ubuntu-users etc
[01:43] <Shin_Gouki> if i installed <<gaim>> using apt-get in which directory it is installed?
[01:43] <Dreamglider> just sudo apt-get install wine !
[01:43] <aftertaf> Kamping_Kaiser:  life is, get one Kamping_Kaiser :p
[01:43] <N6REJ> aftertaf: ok, enter, enter, g, g, and its off running again.
[01:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf: life doesnt exist :P
[01:43] <aftertaf> Shin_Gouki:  you can see that in synaptic :)
[01:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> (21:12:48) ubotu: Package 'life' does not exist.
[01:43] <Hobbsee> ok
[01:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[01:43] <aftertaf> N6REJ:  weird, what is the error......
[01:43] <aftertaf> exactly.
[01:44] <thoreauputic> Hobbsee: always helpful for the author to know when his stuff has problems - if it needs fixing he'll do it for sure
[01:44] <baskak> aftertaf: I undid the change, and Ubuntu partitioning tool reported my original NTFS 33GB partition again.However, Windows doesn't see it as "d:" anymore (only under Disk Management, as "unknown"), and Partition Magic describes the whole of it as "Linux swap", but at same time colour-codes it as "other", and doesn't allow any changes.
[01:44] <Dreamglider> anyone if airtonix comes back pleas tell him to look at this link -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29555
[01:44] <psycode> anyone ? how can i know what's wrong with my /etc/fstab line that mounts dvd-rom ?
[01:44] <intelikey> psycode you can try /.dev/hdc
[01:44] <N6REJ> dpkg; ../../main/packages.c:191: process_queue: Assertion 'dependtry <=4' failed.
[01:44] <Hobbsee> thoreaputic: very true....figuring out what launchpad is now
[01:45] <falcon3> hi
[01:45] <baskak> aftertaf: so it's not working anymore
[01:45] <N6REJ> ACK!!!! now I just got a trace kernel crash!
[01:45] <aftertaf> baskak:  sounds borked man.......
[01:45] <falcon3> having a tiny problem, i'm trying to mount a partition though samba:
[01:45] <falcon3> kevin@Cerberus:~$ sudo mount /media/downloads
[01:45] <falcon3> Could not resolve mount point /media/downloads
[01:45] <N6REJ> *sigh*
[01:45] <psycode> intelikey, i don't understand ..
[01:45] <thoreauputic> Hobbsee: launchpad.net
[01:45] <aftertaf> N6REJ:  arent you lucky ;)
[01:45] <lucaas> Shin_Gouki, the executable is in /usr/bin/gaim, if that was what you where looking for
[01:45] <N6REJ> bah humbug!
[01:45] <bouil> what about the problem with firefox and thunderbird.... it is a big security issue and it is not fixed ! http://lisa.bouil.org/~bouil/ubuntu
[01:45] <Shin_Gouki> lucaas, thxxxx!!!
[01:46] <N6REJ> ok, I'm giving up until breezy gets dl'd, then I'll try that.
[01:46] <lucaas> Shin_Gouki, np :>
[01:46] <epic_> dooglus,   I have seen a few ppl asking about root-tail with gnome/nautilus, so if you get a fix happening properly, a few ppl would appreciate it if you submit it on sf
[01:46] <r0xoR> bouil, wtf is your deal?
[01:46] <N6REJ> least I know I can install hoary now.  Now if I could just figure out how to get it to upg I'd be in great shape LOL
[01:46] <intelikey> psycode "mount /.dev/hdc /media/cdrom "  or where ever you mount it.
[01:46] <baskak> aftertaf: borked? i.e. bad?
[01:46] <bouil> r0xoR: when i click on the link, it's launch "xfontsel"
[01:46] <Hobbsee> thoreaputic: i got that far lol, i'm figuring it out beyond that
[01:47] <psycode> intelikey, it gives me odd results, now the mount just stucks
[01:47] <r0xoR> bouil, uhhh... so what...
[01:47] <r0xoR> bouil, so don't click links unless you know what they are... ?
[01:47] <aftertaf> baskak:  as in lost yeah...
[01:47] <Shin_Gouki> psycode, i feel with u mount is....strange o_O
[01:47] <inthenow> http://www.bluedonut.com/100jokes.htm
[01:47] <r0xoR> bouil, and don't surf porn sites?
[01:47] <psycode> intelikey, oh it's over, same message .. any ideas what can i change ?
[01:47] <bouil> r0xoR: ....
[01:47] <N6REJ> bouil: I don't know what your complaining about, it worked great in my ver of FF and TB
[01:47] <bouil> r0xoR: and don't be connected to the net ?
[01:47] <r0xoR> bouil, sure that too
[01:47] <aftertaf> baskak:  try to resize it again, and install ubuntu. then see if ubuntu can access it.
[01:47] <intelikey> that's not a movie disk you are trying to mount is it psycode ?
[01:48] <bouil> normaly, i'm up to date
[01:48] <intelikey> or audio....
[01:48] <aftertaf> or try fixboot/fixmbr in recovery console (tm)
[01:48] <Mon> i booted the hoary livecd and tried to mount a nfs mount but it doesn't work. i can mount it fine when i boot from HD though. am i missing something?
[01:48] <dooglus> epic_: did you try my patch?
[01:48] <psycode> intelikey, yeah it's a dvd :S
[01:48] <r0xoR> bouil, it's all gradients... if you're using software of any kind and you're on the internet - you ARE prone to hackers and viruses... end of story
[01:48] <pc22> any mmorpg in ubuntu?
[01:48] <psycode> intelikey, movie
[01:48] <Mon> i installed portmap and this is from dmesg: nfs: server <IP_ADDRESS> not responding, still trying
[01:48] <r0xoR> bouil, all you can do is be a smart web surfer
[01:48] <epic_> not yet dooglus    I just got ready, it is fri night, I am going out
[01:48] <baskak> aftertaf: but ubuntu wasn't able to properly resize it, that's the point, it reported kind of an error
[01:48] <r0xoR> bouil, so use mozilla instead or something
[01:48] <epic_> bouil, what is that meant to do?  Worked fine here
[01:48] <Mon> pc22: there's planeshift. not available through apt though
[01:48] <dooglus> epic_: it very nearly works.  but there's something not quite right.
[01:49] <falcon3> can anyone help me:
[01:49] <falcon3> kevin@Cerberus:~$ sudo mount /media/downloads
[01:49] <falcon3> Could not resolve mount point /media/downloads
[01:49] <bouil> epic_: here, it launch xfontsel when i click on the link....
[01:49] <epic_> not here, it launched evolution here
[01:49] <Mon> falcon3: mkdir /media/downloads
[01:49] <pc22> Mon, have u played it?
[01:49] <Mon> falcon3: sudo mkdir /media /download probably
[01:49] <bouil> it's a firefox/thunderbird bug, maybe 2 week old
[01:49] <falcon3> Mon: it exists
[01:49] <Mon> pc22: tried it once a while ago
[01:49] <N6REJ> bouil: nope, opened TB and tried to send an email
[01:49] <epic_> man mount
[01:49] <aftertaf> baskak:  im not certain how muc you NEED to recover this partition, but it sounds petty much shagged to me.... which is not a good answer for you, i know :/
[01:49] <r0xoR> bouil, so complain to the firefox/thunderbird people... not the ubuntu people
[01:49] <pc22> Mon, do i download the binary?
[01:49] <Mon> falcon3: ehr sure? you lost me then..
[01:49] <bouil> and i'm suprised it's not fixed... even if i hava, normaly, ubuntu up to date
[01:50] <N6REJ> bouil: it ain't broke LOL
[01:50] <epic_> bouil,   it seems to be fixed
[01:50] <r0xoR> bouil, you've gotta find the right person to yell at... otherwise you're blowing hot air
[01:50] <Mon> pc22: yeah
[01:50] <falcon3> Mon: its a mount through smbfs...
[01:50] <bouil> strange
[01:50] <N6REJ> bouil: what ver of FF are you using?
[01:50] <thoreauputic> Hobbsee:  https://launchpad.net/people/dennis
[01:50] <pc22> Mon, how do i run the install after?
[01:50] <bouil> 1.0.7
[01:51] <Mon> falcon3: hmm smb always nice. tried it the GUI way?
[01:51] <bouil> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; fr; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050922 Firefox/1.0.4 (Ubuntu package 1.0.7)
[01:51] <Mon> pc22: ./filename
[01:51] <falcon3> Mon: there is a GUI ? ! ?
[01:51] <epic_> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051004 Firefox/1.0.7 (Ubuntu package 1.0.7)  here too and it works fine
[01:51] <baskak> aftertaf: so, did i did something wrong with the partitioning tool? should i not touch it anymore? ;) i mean linuxes are advertised by saying you can save up space on existing disc by means of built-in partitioning tool
[01:51] <psycode> can someone explain how can i play a dvd movie ?
[01:51] <pc22> mon, cool. thanks
[01:52] <baskak> aftertaf: and it says it's (to some extent) automatic
[01:52] <aftertaf> baskak:  and it works for lots of people........ ask tyour question here again, but shorter....
[01:52] <falcon3> Mon: there is a GUI ? ! ?
[01:52] <thoreauputic> Hobbsee: email here >> (and other details)  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DennisKaarsemaker
[01:52] <aftertaf> baskak:  i know......
[01:52] <epic_> bouil, update your firefox
[01:52] <Mon> falcon3: i mean in ubuntu there's a "network" thing under places right?
[01:52] <Hobbsee> thoreauputic: yeah, thanks, just spotted that :)
[01:52] <thoreauputic> OK :)
[01:52] <falcon3> i'm on KDE :)
[01:53] <aftertaf> falcon3:  good man ;)
[01:53] <N6REJ> bouil: try this one... http://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-1.5b2&os=linux&lang=en-US
[01:53] <bouil> epic_: i belive it is up to date, according to aptget update / dist-upgrade
[01:53] <N6REJ> your a bit behind
[01:53] <Mon> falcon3: ah you kubuntu bastards :)
[01:53] <epic_> bouil,   incorrect
[01:53] <falcon3> Mon: ubuntu with KDE aptgetted :p
[01:53] <aftertaf> !start a desktop war
[01:53] <ubotu> e is much better than xfce!
[01:53] <epic_> run updates, it is up to 1.0.7 now, you are running 1.0.4
[01:53] <Mon> falcon3: what's the complete mount line you use?
[01:53] <falcon3> Mon and aftertaf : gonna switch to fluxbox anyway :p
[01:54] <falcon3> Mon: hold on :)
[01:54] <aftertaf> lol falcon3
[01:54] <kempo> hi all
[01:54] <holycow> anyone know if oooqstart-gnome is supposed to support oo.org2 at any point in time?
[01:54] <bouil> N6REJ: understandable, but you can understand that i prefer packaged one
[01:54] <falcon3> //achilles/downloads /media/downloads smbfs ro,user,auto  0 0
[01:54] <falcon3> Mon:
[01:54] <kempo> i installed ubuntu, but the install wizard didnt ask me for root pw. is there a standard pw?
[01:54] <thoreauputic> !root
[01:54] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[01:54] <N6REJ> bouil: yep, it is fixed in this release though... ;)
[01:54] <bouil> ok.
[01:54] <thoreauputic> kempo: ^^^
[01:55] <pc22> how do i shutdown like in 30 minutes
[01:55] <N6REJ> shutdown -r 30
[01:55] <Mon> pc22: shutdown --help
[01:55] <kempo> what is thoreauputic ?
[01:55] <Mon> well that'll work too :p
[01:55] <N6REJ> or shutdown -h 30
[01:55] <baskak> The question again:
[01:55] <falcon3> Mon: seen it ?
[01:55] <N6REJ> depends if you want it to restart or not
[01:55] <baskak> I tried to "save up" space for Ubuntu using built-in partitioning utility. I have resized the second partition ("d:") and put, using automation, two Linux partitions. The Ubuntu utility reported error during partitioning, though. I undid the change, and the tool reported my original NTFS 33GB partition again. However, Windows doesn't see it as "d:" anymore (only under Disk Management, as "unknown"), and Partition Magic describes the whole of it a
[01:55] <thoreauputic> !tell kempo about root
[01:55] <pc22> toda
[01:55] <baskak> Tried to shorten it, but need to give details.
[01:55] <thoreauputic> kempo: read the URL ubotu just sent you
[01:55] <kempo> ok
[01:55] <ben_underscore> hi all
[01:56] <aftertaf> anyone give me a poiner for laptop temperature sensor config?
[01:56] <N6REJ> yw pc22
[01:56] <kempo> oh man i guess i know whats up with root know
[01:56] <kempo> ^^
[01:56] <Mon> falcon3: and you're absolutly positive the dir exists, no capitals or something?
[01:56] <ben_underscore> does anyone know much about x windows and connecting to a remote machine for display of the x output?
[01:56] <ben_underscore> on ubuntu that is :-p
[01:56] <falcon3> oh, its case sensitive ? Mon
[01:56] <Mon> falcon3: everything is pretty much :)
[01:56] <Hobbsee> aftertaf: in kde? ksensors
[01:56] <thoreauputic> ben_underscore: easiest way is with ssh -X
[01:57] <aftertaf> ben_underscore:  a bit.....
[01:57] <dooglus> ben_underscore: I think the default setup is that ubuntu's X server doesn't listen for incoming connections
[01:57] <holycow> ben_underscore, start your research with nomachine.com
[01:57] <ben_underscore> dooglus, yes! that is what happens
[01:57] <ubuntulover> I love ubuntu
[01:57] <thoreauputic> dooglus: yes, but ssh -X works fine
[01:57] <falcon3> trying with case sensitive now
[01:57] <holycow> they have a client for optimal and secure x sessions ... the google on from there
[01:57] <falcon3> doesnt seem to work though, Mon
[01:57] <ben_underscore> thoreauputic, does it?
[01:57] <bob2> I don't think anyone's X server listens for incoming connections anymore
[01:57] <dooglus> ben_underscore: if you use ssh -X to connect to the remote machine, the shell on the remote machine will magically be able to send X windows back to your ubuntu box
[01:57] <aftertaf> ssh is the way
[01:57] <Mon> falcon3: it should. or at least give another error
[01:58] <thoreauputic> ben_underscore: you can use ssh -X or nxserver/ nxclient
[01:58] <thoreauputic> !ssh
[01:58] <nathan> Hi! I'm needing some program for music exchanging for Ubuntu. Could you recomend someone or me?
[01:58] <ubotu> from memory, ssh is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SSHHowto
[01:58] <ben_underscore> thoreauputic, is nx free?
[01:58] <falcon3> Mon: same error :P
[01:58] <thoreauputic> ben_underscore: ^^
[01:58] <thoreauputic> ben_underscore: freenx
[01:58] <thoreauputic> !frrenx
[01:58] <ubotu> thoreauputic: Wish i knew
[01:58] <thoreauputic> bah
[01:58] <thoreauputic> !freenx
[01:58] <ubotu> it has been said that freenx is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeNX
[01:58] <aftertaf> Hobbsee:  sudo apt-get install  ing now
[01:59] <baskak> aftertaf: doesn't seem to work :(
[01:59] <bob2> well, it can be useful, but having it on by default is a bad idea
[01:59] <Hobbsee> baskak: is windows able to read the d:/ partition, even though it's unknown?
[01:59] <Hobbsee> :P aftertaf: works nicely
[01:59] <ben_underscore>  and what is this ! business? is that a bot command
[01:59] <baskak> aftertaf: maybe i should seek help at the authors of the partitioning tool
[01:59] <aftertaf> ben_underscore:  yes
[01:59] <baskak> hobsee: no. it only shows it in the disc management
[01:59] <aftertaf> baskak:  maybe, but i really think D: is borked.
[02:00] <aftertaf> baskak:  it will..... it is a physical partition.
[02:00] <baskak> aftertaf: i see, thanks...
[02:00] <aftertaf> but it has no mount point to windows, ie D:
[02:00] <aftertaf> disk management shows it as what type of FS?
[02:01] <fish> what command do i use to find out more about a program that is runnign?
[02:01] <aftertaf> what do you want to know about it fish ?
[02:01] <fish> i want to know more about vino-server
[02:02] <fish> it's taking up a lot of cpu power
[02:02] <nathan> Hi! I'm needing some program for music exchanging for Ubuntu. Could you recomend someone for me?
[02:02] <N6REJ> aftertaf: whats the dif in system config between standard and "server" on the install?
[02:02] <pc22> thanks\
[02:02] <fish> nathan , i recommend the RIAA.
[02:02] <bob2> ben_underscore: it's the bot's attention-getting character
[02:02] <ben_underscore> fish, ha ha!
[02:02] <locomorto> nathan: limewire (if you have Java setup) or otherwise gtk-gnutella
[02:02] <pschulz01> fish: what would you like to know?
[02:03] <ben_underscore> limewire is good
[02:03] <locomorto> nathan: you can also you bittorrent with the client that ships with ubuntu
[02:03] <pschulz01> fish: 'top'
[02:03] <fish> pschulz01: i'd like to know more about vino-server. it's hogging up my 4 year old pc's cuu.
[02:03] <fish> cpu
[02:03] <baskak> aftertaf: moment, i'll check
[02:03] <nathan> Ok, Thaks. I'll look these
[02:04] <pschulz01> fish: 'ps aux | grep vino'
[02:04] <Mon> thoreauputic: what's dennis kaarsemaker's irc nickname?
[02:04] <thoreauputic> N6REJ: the server install gives you a base system witjhout X
[02:04] <thoreauputic> Mon: Seveas
[02:04] <Mon> thoreauputic: thanks
[02:05] <psycode> can someone please explain how to play a dvd movie ? i just can't ...
[02:05] <fish> pschulz01: i used top to find out about vino-server hogging my cpu. now i want to know what exactly that program does. I heard about a command before, but i forgot.
[02:05] <aftertaf> N6REJ:  server is a mnimal install
[02:05] <Hobbsee> !dvd
[02:05] <ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu, some dvd's require libdvdcss2, which can be found in !hoary-extras
[02:05] <pschulz01> fish: man vino
[02:05] <psycode> Hobbsee, i have that, how do i watch a dvd ? totem dvd:// produce an error
[02:05] <Shin_Gouki> hello! someone here who uses icewm and is abit familiar with it??
[02:06] <locomorto> Shin: yes?
[02:06] <Mon> psycode: Breezy?
[02:06] <bimberi> fish: vino-server is the remote desktop daemon
[02:06] <pschulz01> fish: apt-cache show vino-server (it that is the package name)
[02:06] <jmg> guys how can i map my fn key
[02:06] <psycode> Mon,  hoary
[02:06] <fish> pschulz01: oh right. that's one. but what's the command that gives a reader's digest version?
[02:06] <pschulz01> bimberi: thanks... (I don't use it.)
[02:06] <psycode> jmg, thinkpad ?
[02:06] <Mon> psycode: hmm had a few crashes with breezy. hoary should just work though. tried multiple discs?
[02:06] <N6REJ> don't know if I'd ever really use X... It should be set it and forget it.  99% of the time you wind up in shell anyway if something goes foobar
[02:07] <pschulz01> fish: ?
[02:07] <Kartoffel> can anyone tell me if it is better to use ubuntus stable or unstable version???
[02:07] <N6REJ> fish: info
[02:07] <locomorto> Kartoffel: At the moment there really is no 'unstable' version
[02:07] <fish> why is vino-server hogging up my memory? Well, anyway, I just killed it. Now my cpu is back to normal speed again.
[02:07] <baskak> aftertaf: so it even gives the original logical disk name i gave it ("pliki.mobile") and also says: "healthy (unknown partition)" (nb. i'm translating it into english)
[02:07] <locomorto> Kartoffel: breezy will be released on the 13th of this month
[02:07] <apokryphos> Kartoffel: breezy is technically unstable, but it's gonna be out so soon
[02:08] <Kartoffel> @locomorto oh, i didn't know that
[02:08] <Kartoffel> Thank you!
[02:08] <locomorto> Its been in feature freeze for about a month now
[02:08] <psycode> Mon, sorry, it works with a different disc, but: 1) it takes loads of time to load ... 2) i get to the menu and then it stucks, is there an application i can use to emulate a dvd player so i can choose from the menu ?
[02:09] <Mon> psycode: totem should do...
[02:09] <Kartoffel> do i need to download the complete new image or can i upgrade or update on-line?
[02:09] <Mon> psycode: you use totem-gstreamer? totem-xine works a lot better for most people (me)
[02:09] <apokryphos> Kartoffel: you can alter one file and one command to upgrade
[02:09] <Mon> Kartoffel: you only install ubuntu once, then update :)
[02:09] <locomorto> Kartoffel: you cannot download a snapshot of right now as far as I know
[02:09] <apokryphos> Kartoffel: /msg ubotu upgrade2breezy
[02:09] <aftertaf> baskak:  unknown partition = windows has no clue. It could just be the partiton map that is screwed. Search for some tools on internet that might recover it.
[02:09] <Kartoffel> Ok, thank you mates!
[02:09] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: that factoid is gone
[02:10] <locomorto> Kartoffel: you have to get the preview and then update from there (there is quite a bit)
[02:10] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: nope
[02:10] <dooglus> Hobbsee: you said that the link on the page you tried opened in a new tab.  Why did it do that?  Are you using an extension?
[02:10] <thoreauputic> !tell Kartoffel about breezy
[02:10] <[LethAL] > I readded it the other day...
[02:10] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: ah, it must have been restored then :)
[02:10] <[LethAL] > thoreauputic, ^^
[02:11] <N6REJ> anyone having problems getting to https://shipit.ubuntu.com other then me?
[02:11] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: guess :) (not me)
[02:11] <psycode> Mon, yeah ... thanks anyway, at least i know it works :)
[02:11] <psycode> also, how can i mount a dvd movie so that  i can browse through files ?
[02:11] <[LethAL] > N6REJ, yes
[02:11] <[LethAL] > N6REJ, Oh, wait,,,
[02:11] <Mon> psycode: yeah as in i use -gstreamer? install totem-xine then :)
[02:11] <holycow> psycode, just put it in the tray
[02:11] <holycow> it will appear on the desktop
[02:12] <plovs> is it possible to mount an iso using pmount (eg non-root, non-sudo)?
[02:12] <Mon> psycode: should happen automaticly. should be an icon on your dekstop
[02:12] <holycow> double click when ready
[02:12] <baskak> aftertaf: any chance you can give more precise directions
[02:12] <locomorto> holycow: not a dvd
[02:12] <[LethAL] > N6REJ, typo... maybe it's your security settings?
[02:12] <locomorto> holycow: libdvdcss2
[02:12] <ben_underscore> thanks for your help everyone - dooglus, thoreauputic, etc
[02:12] <locomorto> psycode: breezy or hoary?
[02:12] <N6REJ> thats a maybe... it just doesn't do anything for me.
[02:12] <thoreauputic> ben_underscore: you're welcome :)
[02:12] <Shin_Gouki> locomorto, i want to customize my start menue u have a good tutorial , for the "menu" file syntax..?
[02:12] <Hobbsee> dooglus: running tabbrowser prefferences, have it set to open links and unresized popups in new tabs
[02:13] <locomorto> Shin: my understanding is that it is all plain text
[02:13] <locomorto> Shin: just back it up and play around abit
[02:13] <aftertaf> baskak:  im sorry, im not an expert in disk recovery. I think the tool has damaged the sector on your disk that lists partitions & such, the map, and either you kill it and make a new one or you search the internet for a shareware tool that might recover it for you.
[02:13] <aftertaf> !cigarette
[02:13] <ubotu> It's bad to smoke, but aftertaf needs one all the same...  Here dude, have a light :)
[02:13] <airtonix> Dreamglider: hello again
[02:14] <arctic> does somebody know where to get "C++ preprocessor" & "libasound headers version >= 1.0.9" for compiling?
[02:14] <airtonix> Dreamglider: did you use the "cghoo"
[02:14] <airtonix> Dreamglider: did you use the "choose a mirror of ubuntu"?
[02:14] <[LethAL] > ubotu, forget something
[02:14] <ubotu> i forgot something, [LethAL]
[02:14] <bob2> arctic: what are yo ucompiling?
[02:15] <Shin_Gouki> locomorto, corect its text , but u might say i have deleted my"default-menu" so i dont know which "word-text" to use for a folder, which is quite basic... ^^
[02:15] <arctic> bob2, a realtek-linux-audiopack for alsa
[02:15] <bob2> haha
[02:15] <bob2> arctic: build-essential, then apt-cache search libasound | grep dev
[02:16] <N6REJ> I think I need to reboot, seems ff is stuck LOL
[02:16] <bob2> N6REJ: no
[02:16] <Mon> Shin_Gouki: the basic menu thingy can be added through the "add to panel" option (right click on panel)
[02:16] <N6REJ> no?
[02:16] <locomorto> Shin: just could reinstall I suppose.
[02:16] <locomorto> Mon: this is icewm
[02:16] <bob2> N6REJ: why would you reboot because Firefox is hung?
[02:16] <barosl> what quality number of ogg file is equal to maximum quality of wma?
[02:16] <Shin_Gouki> locomorto, could u paste bin urs , text plzz..?
[02:16] <N6REJ> because I don't see what process is hung in FF
[02:16] <bob2> N6REJ: and?
[02:17] <N6REJ> this ain't a *nix box, its windoze
[02:17] <baskak> aftertaf: thanks so much. maybe there's a person on the channel or forum you can direct me to?
[02:17] <bob2> ouch
[02:17] <N6REJ> lol :P
[02:17] <MaTaKs> How to check free space on my disk
[02:17] <N6REJ> df -h
[02:17] <Shin_Gouki> locomorto, ARIGATO, danke schn :) merci beaucoup!
[02:18] <kbrooks> 6 days
[02:18] <Mon> anyone knows why a nfs mount won't mount through livecd but does when i boot from HD?
[02:18] <locomorto> Shin: never fear
[02:18] <locomorto> Shin: sudo aptitude install iceme
[02:18] <locomorto> its a graphical editor
[02:18] <Shin_Gouki> locomorto, nooo i fear , plz paste bin urs  plzzz
[02:19] <MaTaKs> How to check free space on my disk?
[02:19] <arctic> bob2, thx build-essentials were absent
[02:19] <dv______> damn
[02:19] <Dragonized> lol
[02:19] <dv______> I keep getting a "file not found" error with samba
[02:19] <[LethAL] > MaTaKs, df -h
[02:19] <dv______> when trying to write in a guest-enabled share
[02:19] <locomorto> MaTaKs: look in the system resource viewer
[02:19] <MaTaKs> ok thnx
[02:19] <N6REJ> said that LOL
[02:19] <dv______> I set permissions to 0775, writable =yes
[02:19] <dv______> anyone has an idea?
[02:19] <Grant_> MaTaKs: df -h from a console will tell you
[02:19] <locomorto> MaTaKs: applications -> System tools -> system monitor
[02:20] <thoreauputic> dv______: do you think you could add a few more underscores to your nick? It's really short :D
[02:20] <[LethAL] > LOL
[02:20] <kbrooks> thoreauputic: ROFL
[02:20] <dv______> what?
[02:20] <dv______> oh
[02:20] <dv______> :)
[02:20] <locomorto> Shin: wheres the menu fule again :D
[02:20] <N6REJ> RWX set each letter to 1 for a yes, and then r=4 + w=2 & X =1
[02:20] <airtonix> anyone got a laptop that had windoze and then installed linux via netboot
[02:20] <dv______> it changed the nick automatically, sec...
[02:20] <dv-_> :)
[02:20] <airtonix> coz i got so far as choosing a mirror
[02:21] <dv-_> so anyone has an idea?
[02:21] <airtonix> and none of them will owrk
[02:21] <Shin_Gouki> locomorto, in /home/*USR*/.icewm/menu
[02:21] <thoreauputic> dv-_: I was just kidding :)
[02:21] <N6REJ> dv-_: does that answer your q?
[02:21] <dv-_> because this is really urgent, and I cant find a solution
[02:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> how do you set a maximum level of CPU and Ram/swap  a process can use? iirc its a config file in /etc/ somewhere
[02:21] <airtonix> none of the mirrors provided with the ubuntu install will work
[02:21] <dv-_> N6REJ, I dont understand the answer :)
[02:22] <dv-_> where to change what?
[02:22] <N6REJ> ok, let me try again...... R=Read, W=write, X = execute.
[02:22] <N6REJ> ok so far?
[02:22] <florian> is it save to resize the ubuntu partition?
[02:22] <dv-_> I know the permissions
[02:22] <N6REJ> ok
[02:22] <dv-_> but i dunno where to edit what
[02:22] <dv-_> smb.conf?
[02:22] <N6REJ> oh LOL
[02:22] <N6REJ> for what?
[02:22] <dv-_> for getting this to work!
[02:22] <aftertaf> !pastebin
[02:22] <ubotu> well, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[02:22] <locomorto> Shin: bah I have to log into icewm for the folder to be created
[02:22] <locomorto> Shin: try deleting the menu file
[02:23] <dv-_> everytime I want to write and/or create a file in the share, it writes "file not found"
[02:23] <N6REJ> dv-_: I thought you wanted to know what 775 meant?
[02:23] <dv-_> I *set* it to 775 already
[02:23] <airtonix> i'll just sit here and wait patiently
[02:23] <dv-_> according to the smb.conf comments
[02:23] <N6REJ> do you have ownership?
[02:23] <dv-_> there, it was explained that to enable writing set permissions to 775
[02:23] <aftertaf> do you pwn?
[02:24] <dv-_> ownership over what?
[02:24] <N6REJ> the file you trying to create and the folders ABOVE it.
[02:24] <irvin> anyone installed realplayer already?
[02:24] <dv-_> well, it is a guest-enabled share
[02:24] <_jason> dv-_:  775 doesn't let you write as "other" the 5 means you get execute and read, maybe that's why?
[02:24] <N6REJ> yep
[02:24] <aftertaf> lol bob2
[02:24] <dv-_> but if it is a permission problem, why "file not found"?
[02:24] <bob2> ?
[02:24] <airtonix> irvin: you really want it?
[02:24] <N6REJ> not world writeable
[02:24] <N6REJ> is the file really there?
[02:24] <dv-_> shouldnt it output "permission denied"?
[02:24] <kbrooks> _jason: 757
[02:25] <kbrooks> erm
[02:25] <_jason> kbrooks:  ?
[02:25] <aftertaf> sorry, scrolled too far up... FF hanging :)
[02:25] <airtonix> irvin: coz I fink that gmplayer will do what you want
[02:25] <arctic> bob2, now he requires "curses library" which do i need?
[02:25] <Mon> irvin: tried it once. didn't like it. why
[02:25] <bob2> arctic: libncurses5-dev
[02:25] <bob2> this is probably a waste of time, tho
[02:25] <kbrooks> dv-_: do you own the file?
[02:25] <_jason> dv-_:  why don't you test it with a 777 for 2 seconds, just to see if that's the problem
[02:25] <kbrooks> or directory
[02:25] <kbrooks> or whatever
[02:25] <N6REJ> dv-_: try touch thisismyfile in the directory
[02:25] <dv-_> well. I create it, so I own it?
[02:25] <dv-_> N6REJ, I tried already.
[02:25] <irvin> just asking if it's worth installing
[02:25] <dv-_> file not foun
[02:25] <dv-_> d
[02:26] <HrdwrBob> sweet
[02:26] <HrdwrBob> er.. wrong channel
[02:26] <dv-_> trying with 777
[02:26] <N6REJ> huh? touch says that ?
[02:26] <dv-_> just a sec
[02:26] <airtonix> irvin: aaaah, now all is explained. wanders off muttering
[02:26] <dv-_> 777 is useless
[02:26] <N6REJ> *scratchs head* .... Touch should CREATE the file if it doesn't exist
[02:26] <Mon> irvin: naah :) unless you really need to play some rm file or something
[02:26] <N6REJ> ls -la
[02:26] <irvin> thanks
[02:27] <dv-_> touch: cannot touch "bla": File or directory not found
[02:27] <N6REJ> sounds like upper level permission problems.
[02:27] <N6REJ> are you chrooted?
[02:27] <dv-_> yes
[02:28] <N6REJ> hehehe, are you trying to write to an area OUTSIDE of the jail?
[02:28] <dv-_> what jail?
[02:28] <N6REJ> lol.. ok, where exactly are you trying to write to?
[02:28] <maku> hi all, i'm running breezy on kernel 2.6.12-9-686. I'm starting kernel module development. But my /usr/src/ does not contains linux directory, or for that sake, any directory. Which package do i need to have a valid /usr/src/linux
[02:28] <dv-_> HMMMM.
[02:28] <dv-_> restarting nmbd solved it.
[02:28] <dv-_> now this is really weird.
[02:28] <kbrooks> dv-_: chroot jail
[02:29] <gfxstyler> hi
[02:29] <[LethAL] > maku, linux-something-soruce i'd imagine :D
[02:29] <[LethAL] > source*
[02:29] <Shin_Gouki> locomorto, i really need that default template... u got i dea who can help me/us?
[02:29] <N6REJ> whats nmbd?
[02:29] <maku> [LethAL] , linux-headers-2.6.12-9-686 (2.6.12-9.22)
[02:29] <kbrooks> !info nmbd
[02:29] <dv-_> the netbios name resolution server
[02:29] <gfxstyler> anyone here who knows something about ati drivers (no, i already got it to work :D )
[02:29] <[LethAL] > maku, no, not that
[02:29] <ubuntu_> wat????
[02:29] <dv-_> anyway, works.
[02:29] <N6REJ> hmmmmmmmmmmm.....
[02:29] <[LethAL] > maku, that's part of the source, you want all of it ;)
[02:29] <Shin_Gouki> hi who uses icewm here?
[02:29] <dv-_> weird, but works.
[02:30] <airtonix> whoa, ok now the "choose mirror to download" is telling me that every single one of the mirrors have not got a valid release file or the mirror is not available.
[02:30] <N6REJ> *wonders why you would want to run netbios over linux*
[02:30] <dv-_> so someone bring on the champagner :)
[02:30] <dv-_> N6REJ, because windows computers access this one
[02:30] <Shin_Gouki> N6REJ  --> samba?
[02:30] <Shin_Gouki> samba?
[02:30] <maku> [LethAL] , then? is it there on packages.ubuntu.com inthe breezy section?
[02:30] <dv-_> anyway, gotta go.
[02:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> !tell bettong_bofh about hoary_extras
[02:30] <ubuntu_> yo funny N6REJ
[02:30] <Grant_> Shin_Gouki: i have icewm, what you need ?
[02:30] <kbrooks> !hoary extras
[02:30] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, kbrooks
[02:30] <N6REJ> and you gotta use nb to do that?  Can't you straight tcp/ip?
[02:30] <kbrooks> !hoary_extras
[02:30] <ubotu> kbrooks: Are you on ritalin?
[02:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> !tell bettong_bofh about hoary-extras
[02:31] <kbrooks> N6REJ: Not really
[02:31] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[02:31] <kbrooks> N6REJ: windows uses netbios
[02:31] <airtonix> N6REJ: yeah i woz finking the same fing
[02:31] <[LethAL] > maku, /msg ubotu wiki KernelCompileHowto
[02:31] <N6REJ> UGH... I hope they've improved Netbios security in the last 10 years
[02:31] <Shin_Gouki> Grant_, thx for reply i need the TEXT content of ur "menu" file as example, i deleted mine unintentionaly
[02:31] <locomorto> Shin: hmm
[02:31] <airtonix> kbroooks: you sont need it
[02:31] <Grant_> Shin_Gouki: sure let me just fetch it
[02:31] <N6REJ> I don't use NB on ANY of my windoze networks, and never have.
[02:31] <locomorto> Shin: I started iceme and it foudna menu file
[02:31] <Shin_Gouki> :)
[02:31] <locomorto> I'll trysearching for it
[02:32] <Shin_Gouki> kk
[02:32] <kbrooks> N6REJ: what do you do then
[02:32] <da_bon_bon> i used to ue debian .. but i am thinking of shifting to ubuntu -- question -- 1. anything i must be aware of ? 2. can i drectly go from etch to breezy ?
[02:32] <maku> [LethAL] , thanks
[02:32] <da_bon_bon> *use
[02:32] <airtonix> N6REJ: maybe he talks to 1in95 machinies (shudder)
[02:32] <airtonix> win95 that is
[02:32] <[LethAL] > !tell da_bon_bon about rootsudo
[02:32] <Chambers-> hey guys, anyone here use the latest wine?
[02:32] <N6REJ> just tell the machine I wanna share the device via a windows tcp/ip client connection and viola.... netbios is bye bye..
[02:32] <bob2> da_bon_bon: reinstall, probably not worth it if you're happy with debian
[02:32] <N6REJ> you have to TURN NB on now days to get it on.
[02:33] <[LethAL] > da_bon_bon, also, be careful with non-ubuntu debian packages
[02:33] <da_bon_bon> bob2: i am not .. the packages are outdated :(
[02:33] <N6REJ> airtonix: thats a REAL possibility
[02:33] <airtonix> yeah baby! netbios is long dead and only good for talking to 60year old converyor belt computers
[02:33] <da_bon_bon> bob2: i dont think i will absolutely remove debian, however
[02:33] <bob2> da_bon_bon: in sid? wtf?
[02:33] <da_bon_bon> bob2: i am afaraid of using sid :)
[02:33] <N6REJ> infact, I wonder if I can see my printer from the network yet.. let me look LOL.. never tried that yet.
[02:34] <airtonix> lol, aaaah sheit.
[02:34] <Shin_Gouki> da_bon_bon, sid the sound format?
[02:34] <da_bon_bon> Shin_Gouki: debian unstable
[02:34] <kbrooks> Shin_Gouki: sid the unstable debian tree
[02:34] <Chambers-> wondering if the latest wine allows microsoft MMC to be run.  For AD administration puposes
[02:35] <da_bon_bon> mmc ?
[02:35] <da_bon_bon> whats that ?
[02:35] <locomorto> Shin: I put it up there
[02:35] <Chambers-> microsoft management console
[02:35] <da_bon_bon> bob2: you use both, sid and ubuntu ?
[02:35] <Shin_Gouki> locomorto, where to?
[02:35] <airtonix> ok maybe i better rephrase the question: anyone used tftpd32.exe?
[02:35] <locomorto> on the pastbin
[02:35] <bob2> da_bon_bon: yes
[02:36] <da_bon_bon> ok, bob2
[02:36] <airtonix> da_bon_bon: use vnc thru ssh
[02:36] <Shin_Gouki> locomorto, got it
[02:36] <kbrooks> bob2: do you mix them?
[02:36] <bob2> kbrooks: no
[02:36] <bob2> kbrooks: well, that's not true, but I'm careful when I do
[02:36] <Grant_> Shin_Gouki: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2853 thats mine
[02:36] <kbrooks> bob2: what do you mean
[02:36] <da_bon_bon> airtonix: what ?!
[02:37] <baskak> afteratf: thanks for care, best
[02:37] <bob2> kbrooks: when I use sid package on ubuntu or vice-versa, I'm careful to make sure it won't break anything
[02:37] <Shin_Gouki> Grant_, cool i thank u!
[02:37] <kbrooks> bob2: oh... i see
[02:37] <maku> [LethAL] , can you have a look at http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/source/linux-source-2.6.12 & suggest what to download?
[02:37] <airtonix> da_bob_bon
[02:37] <Whistler> hello
[02:37] <Whistler> i have some serious problems
[02:37] <kbrooks> ask
[02:37] <gfxstyler> does anyone know why i only have a resolution of 1024x768 when i use the ati fglrx drivers? i already edited the xorg.conf file and there is only 1280x800 resolution, so i dont know why it does not work :/
[02:37] <airtonix> you use virtual network comuting
[02:38] <maku> [LethAL] , is it this http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.12/linux-source-2.6.12_2.6.12.orig.tar.gz
[02:38] <da_bon_bon> airtonix: why should i use vnc ?
[02:38] <airtonix> da_bob_bon: vnc is the remote dekstop of linux
[02:38] <kbrooks> maku: no.
[02:38] <Whistler> how can i view my boot log?
[02:38] <maku> kbrooks, then
[02:38] <Shin_Gouki> locomorto, Grant_, thx now i can customize my stuff :)
[02:38] <kbrooks> Whistler: dmesg | less
[02:39] <kbrooks> erm
[02:39] <kbrooks> dmesg | tail
[02:39] <airtonix> da_bob_bon: combine it with ssh and you have (i think) a secure remote desktop like connection.
[02:39] <airtonix> I used to do this a long time ago
[02:39] <Whistler> /var/lib/dpkg/status i have no such file
[02:39] <airtonix> i will again if i can get ubuntu installed on me toshiba laptop
[02:39] <da_bon_bon> airtonix: but WHY would i want to use vnc ?
[02:39] <Whistler> can i restore it some way?
[02:40] <kbrooks> maku: apt-get source linux-source-$(uname -r}
[02:40] <kbrooks> er
[02:40] <kbrooks> maku: apt-get source linux-source-$(uname -r)
[02:40] <commodore> hi
[02:40] <bob2> maku: why are yo utrying to compile your own kernel?
[02:40] <airtonix> da_bob_bon: have you used remote dekstop on windows xp?
[02:40] <da_bon_bon> apt-get source linux-source-`uname -r` too :)
[02:40] <kbrooks> but that won't work ;)
[02:40] <Whistler> any way of making /var/lib/dpkg/status ?
[02:40] <bob2> haha
[02:41] <Whistler> cause i had to delete it
[02:41] <bob2> Whistler: that's the file that stores what packages dpkg thinks you have installed
[02:41] <Whistler> smt is wrong with my hdd
[02:41] <bob2> hahahahaha
[02:41] <maku> kbrooks, thanks
[02:41] <commodore> i don't like gnomes way of browsing files, i heard there's a way to make file browser the default thingie to browse files, how to do that?
[02:41] <da_bon_bon> airtonix: dont know about tab completion ? i've never used vnc, and never felt the need to.
[02:41] <maku> bob2, i'm learning kernel module programming
[02:41] <Whistler> bob2 so no way of creating a new one?
[02:41] <HrdwrBob> commodore: wait until breezy comes out
[02:41] <bob2> Whistler: not simply
[02:41] <maku> bob2, hence i need the headers
[02:41] <HrdwrBob> commodore: it's totally different
[02:41] <airtonix> da_bob_bon: not happy with it.
[02:41] <bob2> maku: sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential
[02:41] <airtonix> da_bob_bon: know how you feel
[02:41] <Whistler> ah i thought so
[02:41] <bob2> maku: all done, kthx
[02:41] <Whistler> =[
[02:42] <bob2> Whistler: don't ever delete files like that again
[02:42] <bob2> Whistler: also, look at /var/lib/dpkg/status-old and /var/backup
[02:42] <Whistler> bob2 there were no other way
[02:42] <kbrooks> bob2: why shouldnt he
[02:42] <commodore> when i make the window fullscreen in the default browser and then go somewhere, it makes it back smaller
[02:42] <andy_satriani> alow guys, is there any books to learn linux kernel programming
[02:42] <bob2> kbrooks: er, because it's a critical dpkg file which cannot be replaced?
[02:42] <commodore> why is that so?
[02:42] <maku> bob2, wait a sec, do i need just the headers or the linux-source? i'm a bit confused
[02:43] <airtonix> da_bob_bon: coz, unfortunatly and i dont like it, the windows remote desktop is much faster than vnc
[02:43] <kbrooks> bob2: how critical is it?
[02:43] <da_bon_bon> airtonix: bleh! type a few letters of a persons nick, and press TAB key
[02:43] <bob2> kbrooks: do you want dpkg to ever work again?
[02:43] <N6REJ> I never knew how to do that till 2nite
[02:43] <bob2> kbrooks: that critical
[02:43] <Whistler> bob2 how do i view my boot error messages?
[02:43] <bob2> maku: headers are all you need to compile modules
[02:43] <airtonix> da_bon_bon, cheers. sorry bout that
[02:43] <bob2> Whistler: depends where they came from
[02:43] <kbrooks> bob2: ah
[02:43] <bob2> Whistler: you can enale bootlog
[02:43] <Whistler> bob2 / check was forced
[02:44] <airtonix> Im used to using jabber
[02:44] <da_bon_bon> airtonix: :) now explain why i might need vnc ?
[02:44] <maku> bob2, & the source? wont i be needing that?
[02:44] <airtonix> cozs you want to use the mmc right?
[02:44] <airtonix> da_bon_bon, woops did  it again
[02:44] <bob2> maku: no
[02:44] <bob2> andy_satriani: http://lwn.net/Kernel/LDD3/
[02:44] <Whistler> bob2 btw thx i restored status from status-old
[02:44] <bob2> andy_satriani: assuming you're already a very competent C programmer
[02:44] <da_bon_bon> airtonix: eek.. i dont want to use mmc
[02:45] <airtonix> Ohmer, ithought you did
[02:45] <maku> bob2, & what is kernel-tree used for?
[02:45] <Whistler> error message says that i have bad block or duplicate sector in use and it shows me two files
[02:45] <Whistler> any ways of fixing that?
[02:45] <[LethAL] > How do I fix apt after a crash? It says the resource is locked...
[02:45] <maku> bob2, linux-headers is a very small package, 777kb. is that ok?
[02:45] <bob2> maku: for something else related to building modules that can be distributed in ubuntu
[02:45] <da_bon_bon> maku: the complete kernel source tree
[02:45] <airtonix> da_bon_bon, ohhhh, i've been talking to the wrong person
[02:45] <bob2> maku: yes
[02:45] <andy_satriani> bob2: i have just learn c in the last 2 years
[02:45] <aftertaf> [LethAL] :  check ps -A see if any are running.
[02:46] <bob2> [LethAL] : shut down every single other package management tool and remove the lock file manually
[02:46] <andy_satriani> bob2: thx for the tips
[02:46] <airtonix> da_bon_bon, sorry dude for confusing ya
[02:46] <bob2> andy_satriani: on unix?
[02:46] <maku> bob2, da_bon_bon okies :)
[02:46] <da_bon_bon> airtonix: :)
[02:46] <andy_satriani> bob2: no, on windows :(
[02:46] <[LethAL] > aftertaf, bob2 I said after a crash... Synaptic was running and then I had to force-reboot
[02:47] <dee_> hello whats the command on the terminal to configure my resolution? its something like xorg.conf???
[02:47] <airtonix> Chambers: you here still?
[02:47] <bob2> andy_satriani: good luck then
[02:47] <LokeDK> Where's my Run Command shortcut thing in the gnome menu (breezy) ? i use it a lot.. or used
[02:47] <Whistler> error message says that i have bad block or duplicate sector in use and it shows me two files with duplicate blocks
[02:47] <da_bon_bon> are there any changes ever made, between ubuntu rc and final ?
[02:47] <[LethAL] > LokeDK, Alt-F2
[02:47] <bob2> [LethAL] : that's awesome, now read what I suggested
[02:47] <LokeDK> ah thx
[02:47] <[LethAL] > bob2, just delete it?
[02:47] <andy_satriani> bob2: thx, is there a basic tutorial to program c on unix
[02:47] <kbrooks> andy_satriani: write a c file
[02:47] <bob2> andy_satriani: don't know of any online ones off-hand, sorry
[02:48] <kbrooks> run gcc file.c
[02:48] <kbrooks> ./a.out
[02:48] <[LethAL] > w00t, thanks bob2 :D
[02:48] <dee_> does anyone knows the command in the terminal to configure the resolution of the screen? its xorg.conf something
[02:48] <N6REJ> be back in a while, breezy is about done dl'n and I don't want to try burning it while this is running.
[02:48] <bob2> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:48] <dee_> anyone?
[02:48] <andy_satriani> bob2: ok thx, i will try it :)
[02:48] <bob2> but that's not really what you want
[02:48] <gfxstyler>
[02:49] <gfxstyler> dee_: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:49] <airtonix> cya later
[02:49] <Bateau_> where does php get installed?
[02:49] <dee_> bob2: thank you very mich
[02:49] <bob2> Bateau_: dpkg -L whateverpackagename
[02:49] <[LethAL] > da_bon_bon, good luck :P
[02:50] <da_bon_bon> [LethAL] : hehe .. i wont actually upgrade
[02:50] <da_bon_bon> just try
[02:50] <[LethAL] > Hehe
[02:50] <dee_> nano? is that for breezy?
[02:50] <gfxstyler> no it should work with hoary too
[02:50] <Whistler> dee_ nano is txt editor
[02:50] <dee_> oh ok thanks gfxstyler
[02:50] <gfxstyler> or use vim or gedit or anything else
[02:50] <da_bon_bon> wha!
[02:50] <dee_> thanks for the info Whistler , sorry im a newbie sir
[02:51] <da_bon_bon> i enabled jsut the main repo
[02:51] <da_bon_bon> and it said no updates
[02:51] <da_bon_bon> what?!
[02:51] <florian> is it save to resize the ubuntu partition?
[02:51] <Bateau_> bob2: and what package is php?
[02:51] <da_bon_bon> i did not enable multi and uni , but how its no updates ?!
[02:51] <[LethAL] > da_bon_bon, save :P
[02:51] <Whistler> dee_ try using gedit
[02:51] <gfxstyler> then scroll down and then you will see the display resolution
[02:51] <Telonir> i need to set up my adsl in ubuntu and the network-admin's buttons are all grey and it says failed to run network-admin as root
[02:52] <[LethAL] > Telonir, did you do expert install?
[02:52] <aftertaf> florian:  if you know how to, yes, i think so. need to boot in maintenance and mount / readonly
[02:52] <da_bon_bon> Telonir: did it ask for your user password ?
[02:52] <Telonir> how to set up the connection manually? (what to write in provider file)
[02:52] <Telonir> no std install
[02:52] <aftertaf> Telonir:  pppoe?
[02:52] <Telonir> yes
[02:52] <aftertaf> either run pppoeconf..... or download and complie rp-pppoe
[02:53] <aftertaf> you'll need the pppoe package installed too.
[02:53] <Telonir> "download"
[02:53] <aftertaf> rp-pppoe will set your dls-provider file up correctly
[02:53] <florian> aftertaf, thanx, I think I will look for a howto for that
[02:53] <Telonir> pppd is there
[02:53] <aftertaf> pppd is for dialup
[02:53] <Telonir> oh
[02:54] <Telonir> so its rp-pppoe and pppoeconf?
[02:54] <aftertaf> Telonir:  install pppoe package with your cd.
[02:54] <Telonir> k
[02:54] <Telonir> i think it copied everithing to the hd
[02:54] <lindt_f_25> hi all
[02:54] <aftertaf> Telonir:  this youll need to do anyway....., i recommend rp-pppoe cos pppoeconf borked my dsl file
[02:54] <aftertaf> !pppoe
[02:54] <ubotu> hmm... pppoe is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ADSLPPPoE
[02:54] <gorilla> hi, has anyone got lxdoom to run on hoary? the ubuntuforums has the same problem but no solution.
[02:54] <dee_> after configuring xorg, do you have to restart or refresh?
[02:55] <lindt_f_25> i need help. i'm a first time linux user. i have windows xp, if i install ubuntu, will it automatically dual-boot?
[02:55] <Telonir> so i should run rp-pppoe
[02:55] <Telonir> ?
[02:55] <kbrooks> dee_: ctrl+backspace should restart gnome
[02:55] <aftertaf> Telonir:  my suggestion..... yes. but you need to d/l the tar file and compie it
[02:55] <kbrooks> but you'l have to login
[02:55] <da_bon_bon> are there any changes ever made, between ubuntu rc and final ?
[02:55] <lindt_f_25> anyone?
[02:55] <aftertaf> Telonir:  read this link
[02:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> lindt_f_25: efectivly, yes
[02:55] <aftertaf> !pppoe
[02:55] <ubotu> well, pppoe is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ADSLPPPoE
[02:55] <Telonir> k
[02:55] <Shin_Gouki> topyli, so download of OO is finished... lets see now how good this works on /with ubuntu
[02:56] <kbrooks> da_bon_bon: might be
[02:56] <locomorto> bai bai everyone
[02:56] <kbrooks> depends
[02:56] <dee_> kbrooks...does not do anything
[02:56] <da_bon_bon> kbrooks: something like ? say, upgrade of a package ?
[02:56] <lindt_f_25> @Kamping_Kaiser, thanks! will it ask me how much diskspace to give ubuntu?
[02:56] <da_bon_bon> lindt_f_25: about 7gb
[02:56] <dee_> refresh is killall right?
[02:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> lindt_f_25: you can set that during partitioning. i have never done it using teh partitioner, but youu can.
[02:56] <da_bon_bon> but 4gb is fine also
[02:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> it needs 1.6 *minimum* pluss swap
[02:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> recomend 5+
[02:57] <da_bon_bon> dee_: define "refresh"
[02:57] <lindt_f_25> i see. do i need to partition first to install ubuntu, or ubuntu will auto-partition its default size for me?
[02:57] <dee_> refresh the updates after installing or configuring the system
[02:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> lindt_f_25: it will resize windows partition to any size you tell it.
[02:58] <da_bon_bon> lindt_f_25: i think you can use the option "use the largest continous free space"
[02:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> im not sure about automagicaly resizing
[02:58] <lindt_f_25> i see. does it ask the size when i install ubuntu?
[02:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> 'ask the size'?
[02:58] <da_bon_bon> yes, lindt_f_25
[02:58] <Bateau_> how can i check what deps a package has?
[02:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> Bateau_: apt-cache show $packager
[02:59] <aftertaf> Bateau_:  by doing apt-et install and seeing what it says.
[02:59] <aftertaf> ^^ better ;)
[02:59] <lindt_f_25> i mean, does it say: "how much gigs of harddisk space to give ubuntu?"
[02:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:59] <aftertaf> pfff :p
[02:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> lindt_f_25: yes, i believe so
[02:59] <lindt_f_25> ok, thanks da_bon_bon
[02:59] <lindt_f_25> i see. alright thanks kamping_kaiser
[02:59] <lindt_f_25> btw, is wine (winehq.org) good? or should i buy crossover?
[03:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> :0 thats ok
[03:00] <tucoz> Hi, I thought I ask here if you had reports on when not to update to breezy
[03:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> wine is good, just depends what you want to do
[03:00] <da_bon_bon> lindt_f_25: wine is good enough
[03:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> tucoz: before the 13th
[03:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[03:00] <lindt_f_25> if for games. could i run half life 2 through wine?
[03:00] <tucoz> or of it is rather safe to do it
[03:00] <da_bon_bon> lindt_f_25: for games, use cedega
[03:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> lindt_f_25: you would want cedega for that
[03:00] <Bateau_> im looking for the program php (as in the exe, or what ever) can anyone tell me where it is?
[03:00] <[LethAL] > !tell lindt_f_25 about cedega
[03:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol da_bon_bon, snap
[03:01] <lindt_f_25> what's cedega?
[03:01] <Alex_BO> HELLO!is there in ubuntu hoary a pascal compiler?
[03:01] <Hoxzer> I guess it is no problem to install ubuntu to S-ata HDD?
[03:01] <[LethAL] > lindt_f_25, read what ubotu sent you
[03:01] <tucoz> Kamping_Kaiser: I suppose there are a couple of people running breezy already
[03:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> tucoz: yeh, me
[03:01] <da_bon_bon> Kamping_Kaiser: snap ?
[03:01] <kbrooks> tucoz: i am too
[03:01] <gfxstyler> does anyone know why i only have a resolution of 1024x768 when i use the ati fglrx drivers? i already edited the xorg.conf file and there is only 1280x800 resolution, so i dont know why it does not work :/
[03:01] <Grant_> tucoz: and me :)
[03:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> da_bon_bon: we said the same thing at the same time., snap, like the card game :)
[03:01] <lindt_f_25> alright i'll check out the link. thanks!
[03:01] <da_bon_bon> lol, Kamping_Kaiser
[03:02] <tucoz> Ok, sounds great. Did you update or did you make a clean install?
[03:02] <Fackamato> Heh.
[03:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> lindt_f_25: what do you play?
[03:02] <da_bon_bon> Fackamato: refugee from #debian :P
[03:02] <tucoz> s/clean/fresh
[03:02] <lindt_f_25> cedega is commercial product. i can buy it or download its source code and compile it for free?
[03:02] <Grant_> tucoz: mine was a clean install
[03:02] <lindt_f_25> did i get that right?
[03:02] <da_bon_bon> lindt_f_25: not cedega
[03:02] <lindt_f_25> so if i know how to compile it, it's free for me to use cedega?
[03:02] <Alex_BO> halo?anyone?
[03:02] <kbrooks> tucoz: i updated from hoary (which was updated from warty)
[03:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> lindt_f_25: i think you have to purchase
[03:02] <kbrooks> Kamping_Kaiser: winecvs
[03:03] <MaTaKs> whats the next page shortcut keys on xchat
[03:03] <lindt_f_25> but according to the 'acquiring cedega' section, it says: You can use a CVS version of cedega (this is free), instructions on how to install this are at  http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=45
[03:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> kbrooks: ?
[03:03] <tucoz> kbrooks: ah, cool. Wonder what I should do.
[03:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, ok. cool. *clicks*
[03:03] <da_bon_bon> lindt_f_25: thats not worth the effort. better .. ahem .. "buy" cedega membership, and get the debian package
[03:03] <maku> MaTaKs, <ctrl>+<pgDown>
[03:03] <kbrooks> da_bon_bon: um
[03:03] <tucoz> Laptop support is enhanced in breezy, right?
[03:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol dbb
[03:03] <lindt_f_25> so no free way to play half life 2 in ubuntu?
[03:03] <MaTaKs> thnx
[03:04] <maku> :)
[03:04] <kbrooks> not advised to mix debian and ubuntu
[03:04] <Fackamato> da_bon_bon well yeah, some people in there seemed to have a lot of problems, so I think this channel is nicer, at least seems so.  As for Half-Life 2, it works in cedega.
[03:07] <kbrooks> da_bon_bon: there will be
[03:07] <lindt_f_25> i see. how about splinter cell and half life 2? anyone heard if it would work w/ubuntu (through a no-cost solution like wine)?
[03:07] <StylusEater_Work> anybody had any success with ndiswrapper and a broadcom chip?
[03:07] <da_bon_bon> kbrooks: what kin of changes ? BIG or minor bug fixes ?
[03:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> da_bon_bon: no, valve is cool, but thier choise of API sucks :(
[03:08] <gfxstyler> StylusEater_Work: yes me
[03:08] <da_bon_bon> Kamping_Kaiser: better way to put it :)
[03:08] <lindt_f_25> i see. half life 2 doesn't work w/wine
[03:08] <kbrooks> da_bon_bon: i'm not spoonfeeding you info ;)
[03:08] <kbrooks> da_bon_bon: read the mailing list
[03:08] <StylusEater_Work> awesome gfxstyler...I might "call on" you later
[03:08] <da_bon_bon> kbrooks: ok :)
[03:08] <gfxstyler> np
[03:08] <da_bon_bon> most probably not, lindt_f_25
[03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> not yet it doesnt
[03:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> they are working on it
[03:09] <lindt_f_25> so besides id games, most other later games can't be played through ubuntu w/out buying cedega? :(
[03:09] <Ng> most games can't be played through ubuntu at all. some play with cedega.
[03:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> lindt_f_25: unreal tournament can, americas army
[03:09] <da_bon_bon> lindt_f_25: as i said, its not really necessary to buy.
[03:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> are 2 i know do work
[03:09] <da_bon_bon> ;)
[03:09] <da_bon_bon> *on
[03:09] <lindt_f_25> does warcraft 3 work w/wine?
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> no (iirc)
[03:10] <abur> any one knows how to encode from WMA to FLAC without loosing metadata ?
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> !wine
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> !tell lindt_f_25 about wine
[03:10] <lindt_f_25> warcraft 3 doesn't work with wine either? that's sad
[03:10] <da_bon_bon> lindt_f_25: dont be so hopeful. at some point, you most probably will need pirated software
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> check out the list of supported apps there lindt_f_25
[03:11] <surface> i guys
[03:11] <[LethAL] > lindt_f_25, you don't have to buy it
[03:11] <surface> i am using opera browser
[03:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> lindt_f_25: no, its just teh easiest way to game
[03:11] <surface> i was amazed that i type irc://irc.freenode.net
[03:11] <surface> the entire browser become irc chat client
[03:11] <lindt_f_25> hmm...cedega
[03:11] <da_bon_bon> theres a opera package in ubuntu ?
[03:11] <surface> and it was fast
[03:12] <surface> i think it support linux
[03:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> da_bon_bon: you can get it from their site
[03:12] <kbrooks> !ops
[03:12] <ubotu> hmm... ops is Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, fooishbar, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmich, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, and Nalioth
[03:12] <surface> , not yet try on ubuntu yet
[03:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> lindt_f_25: google ;P
[03:12] <lindt_f_25> kamping_kaiser - it's that easy to find cedega? whoa...
[03:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:13] <gfxstyler> i fucking HATE the ati drivers!
[03:13] <kbrooks> !ops some people are discussing pirating
[03:13] <ubotu> okay, kbrooks
[03:13] <holycow> lindt_f_25, on the other hand, you may wish to consider buying it
[03:13] <da_bon_bon> kbrooks: what bloody hell!
[03:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> holycow: we started there ;)
[03:14] <da_bon_bon> lindt_f_25: ahem.. i think my younger bro was fooling with irc
[03:14] <holycow> heh
[03:14] <da_bon_bon> i had gone to pee :P
[03:14] <kbrooks> lindt_f_25: it's not a good idea to discuss pirating
[03:14] <kbrooks> da_bon_bon: well, you're responsible for your internet connection
[03:14] <lindt_f_25> oops. sorry. i was actually looking for a free way to play some windows games
[03:15] <da_bon_bon> kbrooks: ok. no need to get formal :P
[03:15] <gfxstyler> cedega is fre
[03:15] <da_bon_bon> kbrooks: as if you dont use warez
[03:15] <gfxstyler> *free
[03:15] <da_bon_bon> gfxstyler: what bloosy hell ?
[03:15] <gfxstyler> its true
[03:15] <da_bon_bon> s/s/d
[03:15] <kbrooks> gfxstyler: of course it's free
[03:15] <gfxstyler> if you compile it yourself
[03:15] <lindt_f_25> anyone know of a guide to compile cedega?
[03:15] <gfxstyler> do a google search on "cedega cvs"
[03:16] <HiddenFly> does anyone here have any idea do these printers work on linux and are they any good, HP Photosmart 8050, Lexmark z615/p910?
[03:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> HiddenFly: try linuxprinting.org
[03:16] <HiddenFly> Kamping_Kaiser: i tried but any of those werent listed there
[03:16] <Shin_Gouki> hi i downloaded: OOo_SRC680_m130_en-US_native_LinuxIntel_install_deb.tar.gz how to install now?
[03:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> at all? then its probably not
[03:16] <kbrooks> gfxstyler: yes thats true
[03:17] <kbrooks> however
[03:17] <Hobbsee> Shin_Gouki: extract it
[03:17] <Shin_Gouki> kk
[03:17] <surface> did u guys heard about mono?
[03:17] <Hobbsee> in kde there's a gui tool for it, not sure about gnome
[03:17] <HiddenFly> nope, tho for HP there were 8000 and 8100 models, so im looking at them
[03:17] <kbrooks> gfxstyler: they were talking about the binary cedega. thats all
[03:17] <HiddenFly> dont think theres that much difference
[03:17] <axl> Are there gonna be a fix for eclipse-platform soon? My apt is broken due to this...
[03:17] <gfxstyler> kbrooks: oh, didnt knew that, sorry
[03:18] <kbrooks> gfxstyler: scroll up
[03:18] <Hobbsee> Shin_Gouki: after that, go to gnome-terminal, cd DEBS
[03:19] <Shin_Gouki> Hobbsee , k im with
[03:20] <Hobbsee> Shin_Gouki: then type "sudo dpkg -i *.deb"
[03:20] <Hobbsee> without the quotes
[03:20] <Shin_Gouki> Hobbsee ,if i want language pack ,install it now or later?
[03:20] <mbpillai> how to change charecter set in console mode and locale
[03:21] <Hobbsee> install it now
[03:21] <Hobbsee> ie extract it, cd to the folder it gets put in, then again "sudo dpkg -i *.deb"
[03:22] <Shin_Gouki> ok
[03:23] <sherman> well, the breezy upgrade from hoary works...
[03:23] <patrik_> hello?
[03:23] <sherman> aside from the new kernel complaining about IRQ15
[03:23] <sherman> and shitting itself
[03:24] <sherman> im currently running on hoary's vanilla kernel
[03:24] <Hobbsee> hi patrik_: if you have a questoin, state it
[03:24] <sherman> I love the new wallpaper
[03:25] <sherman> :P no question
[03:25] <BockBilbo> can anyone tell me a good program to watch tv appart from mythtc?
[03:25] <BockBilbo> *mythtv?
[03:25] <N6REJ> back
[03:26] <Hobbsee> sherman: yeah, i liked the look of it in screenshots too
[03:26] <N6REJ> I like the new boot screen for breezy :D
[03:26] <sherman> same
[03:26] <sherman> ubuntu has come a long way
[03:26] <sherman> well done all
[03:26] <Grant_> BockBilbo: tvtime or xawtv
[03:26] <Hobbsee> definetly, and kubuntu
[03:26] <sherman> yer
[03:26] <crube> I want to get Ubuntu installed already.
[03:26] <sherman> thats running on my p4 next to me
[03:27] <crube> But I'm waiting for my new hardrive.
[03:27] <Hobbsee> crube: you a linux newbie?
[03:28] <crube> Hobbsee no. Why?
[03:28] <Hobbsee> ah ok, cos if you were, i would suggest installing anyway, so you could play around with it, seeing as most newbies will screw up their linux boxes
[03:28] <Hobbsee> at least once
[03:29] <Hobbsee> which would be an optimal time to switch to the new HD
[03:29] <crube> Hobbsee I have Ubuntu on my other computer. It's some old crap I use just for playing around and usually breaking things.
[03:29] <Hobbsee> ah nice :P
[03:29] <N6REJ> hobbsee, certianely nobody would do something as HORRIBLE as rm -f /etc/*.*
[03:30] <surface> guys
[03:30] <N6REJ> thinkinkg your somewhere else
[03:30] <Hobbsee> LOL
[03:30] <Hobbsee> you've tried?
[03:30] <surface> did u heard about microsoft linux?
[03:30] <MaTaKs> how to know if your using ubuntu 5.4 or 5.10
[03:30] <Hobbsee> you'd have to be sudo to do that
[03:30] <N6REJ> succeeded even
[03:30] <Hobbsee> MaTaKs: do you have a splash screen while booting up?
[03:30] <N6REJ> thats the problem with being in god mode... you can't protect yourself from YOU LOL
[03:30] <sherman> MaTaKs, you should already know
[03:30] <Hobbsee> lol...
[03:31] <Hobbsee> yeah, good reason to never log in as root
[03:31] <N6REJ> yep
[03:31] <MaTaKs> i upgrade to 5.10 and i am 5.4 before i want to check if its successful
[03:31] <crube> I just realized I havent updated my other computer for like.... 2 months...
[03:31] <egoleo> hello
[03:31] <Hobbsee> what version of gnome are you running?
[03:31] <egoleo> ok
[03:31] <Hobbsee> that will tell you
[03:31] <N6REJ> It was a customers machine about 10 years ago and I was using RH 6.2 and had been at it for over 80 hours, and forgot I was in /etc when I said to delete the whole dang folder
[03:31] <egoleo> i really like breezy
[03:31] <Hobbsee> hehe oops you say!
[03:31] <egoleo> it seems so fast for me
[03:32] <surface> how to upgrade?
[03:32] <egoleo> to what
[03:32] <nochecita> server libres.irc-hispano.org
[03:32] <surface> from 5.04 to 5.10
[03:32] <egoleo> surface
[03:32] <nochecita> uy
[03:32] <egoleo> ok
[03:32] <egoleo> go to ue
[03:32] <egoleo> r
[03:32] <egoleo> source.list
[03:32] <Hobbsee> surface: see topic
[03:32] <egoleo> sudo /etc/apt/source.list
[03:32] <sherman> uh ohh
[03:33] <Hobbsee> !upgrade2breezy
[03:33] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[03:33] <sherman> egoleo, dont put the source.list here...
[03:33] <egoleo> and change all occurance of hoary
[03:33] <sherman> thats better
[03:33] <sherman> :D
[03:33] <egoleo> to breezy
[03:33] <N6REJ> lol that won't work.
[03:33] <fish> how do i do a GUI kill (click the program to kill it)? I forgot how.
[03:33] <surface> oh thx
[03:33] <sherman> N6REJ, dont say that!
[03:33] <Hobbsee> fish:
[03:33] <surface> i will chec out the wiki now
[03:33] <egoleo> and then comment the first line which reads the cdrom
[03:33] <Hobbsee> alt+f2 type xkill and click on offending window
[03:33] <fish> Hobbsee: yes
[03:33] <Hobbsee> ZAP!
[03:34] <egoleo> after that u do
[03:34] <N6REJ> sherman: I meant if he did that at console... I have no clue what it would do here.
[03:34] <egoleo> sudo apt-get update
[03:34] <egoleo> then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:34] <egoleo> hoola
[03:34] <egoleo> u are in breezy
[03:34] <MaTaKs> whats a GUI?
[03:34] <fish> Hobbsee: the program won't die.
[03:34] <egoleo> so fast
[03:34] <Hobbsee> which program?
[03:34] <fish> Hobbsee: totemplayer
[03:34] <Hobbsee> graphical user interface
[03:35] <MaTaKs> ah ok
[03:35] <Hobbsee> so xkill and clicking on it doesnt work
[03:35] <crube> Hobbsee you know, my girlfriend's using the other computer when she's here, and she's all pissed when I've broken something (as usual) Currently for example firefox can't log in anywhere :D Crashes everytime she tries :D
[03:35] <egoleo> X-window
[03:35] <fish> it doesn't work, Hobbsee
[03:35] <Hobbsee> killall totem
[03:35] <surface> ok thanks egoleo
[03:35] <Hobbsee> hehehehe @ crube
[03:35] <surface> i try now
[03:35] <egoleo> kill -KILL totem
[03:35] <egoleo> u welcome surface
[03:35] <fish> Hobbsee: killall totem worked.
[03:35] <Hobbsee> fish: :D
[03:35] <egoleo> nautilius now a browser
[03:35] <MaTaKs> how can i kill program that hangs.. like in windows ctrl+alt+del and endtask then choose running program to kill
[03:35] <fish> egoleo: 	kill -KILL totem? does that command work?
[03:35] <Hobbsee> both are pretty effective
[03:36] <egoleo> so great now
[03:36] <Hobbsee> MaTaKs: alt+f2, type xkill
[03:36] <fish> Hobbsee: how come that second command you gave worked, while the first didn't?
[03:36] <egoleo> totem replaced with pid
[03:36] <Hobbsee> MaTaKs: click on offending window
[03:36] <egoleo> rather
[03:36] <egoleo> sorry
[03:36] <MaTaKs> ok thnx man
[03:36] <egoleo> and that should work
[03:36] <fish> egoleo: what's pid?
[03:36] <Hobbsee> um...dont know...
[03:36] <egoleo> ok
[03:36] <egoleo> do ps -ax
[03:37] <egoleo> type ps -ax
[03:37] <egoleo> and check
[03:37] <Hobbsee> either one works, that's for sure!
[03:37] <egoleo> at the terminal
[03:37] <Shin_Gouki> Hobbsee ,i installed now language & "usual " packge... is OO now usable?
[03:37] <egoleo> type ps -ax
[03:37] <Hobbsee> should be, try it
[03:38] <Hobbsee> did you happen to get desktop shortcuts?
[03:38] <fish> egoleo:  i did. but what does Pid mean?
[03:38] <Shin_Gouki> Hobbsee ,i use icewm
[03:38] <zoot_> anyone from the xfce package team here?
[03:38] <crube> Linux users are so much more brutal. In windows you just kindly shut thing down, but if something hangs on linux it's killed. :D Sounds like German in the WW2
[03:38] <egoleo> and then look at the PID which corresponse with totem
[03:38] <nalioth> fish: process identifier
[03:38] <egoleo> process identity
[03:38] <Grant_> fish: its the id for a running program, you can kill programs using the PID instead of using the name
[03:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> crube: or we slay it :)
[03:38] <fish> egoleo: what do you mean by "totem replaced with pid"?
[03:38] <Hobbsee> crube: yeah, but linux actually shuts them down, rather than saying end now, doing nothing, and freezing the entire system
[03:38] <surface> haha crube, good imagination
[03:38] <Hobbsee> i keep trying to use xkill in windows...
[03:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> there also (iirc) was a masacre command
[03:38] <zoot_> crimsun: you here?
[03:38] <egoleo> PID ==> Process ID
[03:38] <Hobbsee> it never seems to work...
[03:38] <Hobbsee> :(
[03:39] <egoleo> ok
[03:39] <egoleo> when u do ps -ax
[03:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol Hobbsee
[03:39] <Grant_> fish: say totem was running on pid 14322 instead of putting totem you would put 14322 which is it's pid
[03:39] <Shin_Gouki> Hobbsee ,i use icewm... no shortcuts... how do i start..?
[03:39] <egoleo> look for totem
[03:39] <crube> Hobbsee yeah, and Windows programs hang so often, that if windows users would start killing programs they'd all be in jail!
[03:39] <Hobbsee> Shin_Gouki: you'll have to use the shell scripts for it
[03:39] <Hobbsee> LOL yeah..they do!
[03:39] <egoleo> and check it pid on the left of ur screen
[03:39] <zoot_> any xfce users here, desparately need help re kiosk mode (ubuntu breezy)
[03:39] <N6REJ> ok, way I see it there is still a  bug in breezy..... in server mode install it never asks for the domain name :(
[03:39] <Hobbsee> i cant stand it!
[03:39] <egoleo> u would see it
[03:39] <Shin_Gouki> Hobbsee ,from usr/bin?
[03:39] <Hobbsee> ah yeah, that should be where it is
[03:39] <fish> egoleo: i still don't know why you offered "kill -KILL totem"?
[03:40] <egoleo> i said its wrong to bring totem
[03:40] <Tv> Hello. Is there a nice way to create an ubuntu chroot under debian, like debootstrap?
[03:40] <egoleo> it should be kill -KILL PID
[03:40] <fish> guys, is there a website for gimp like http://www.photoshopelementsuser.com/videotips/#?
[03:40] <Khantozavri> hi folks... simple question....
[03:40] <egoleo> so u replace the PID with the correct one
[03:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> anyway, ill be back in the chan later perhaps (but im still around). doing some bug searching in the breezy doco
[03:40] <Shin_Gouki> Hobbsee ,hm... plz guide me to a place were i may find the OO executables..?
[03:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> Shin_Gouki: try /usr/bin/
[03:41] <fish> that website has videos of how to do specific things with Photoshop elements
[03:41] <Khantozavri> does it make any sense to use smp kernel with hyperthreading?
[03:41] <Shin_Gouki> Kamping_Kaiser, im in in but there is no: calc, or write, or do i have to look for oo-calc?
[03:41] <nalioth> Khantozavri: yes it does
[03:41] <Hobbsee> if you open a word doc, then write will open
[03:41] <Hobbsee> hang on a sec...this might help
[03:42] <steve_don> Khantozavri: I do and it recognises it as 2 processors whether there is any speed increase i dont know
[03:42] <rata> hi
[03:42] <Hobbsee> try ooffice2 -writer
[03:42] <Khantozavri> how do i know if it does recognise my hyperthreading?
[03:42] <Shin_Gouki> -bash: ooffice2: command not found
[03:42] <rata> there is a dpkg-reconfigure <something> to reconfigure gdm ?
[03:43] <TiMiDo> rata do gdmconf
[03:43] <TiMiDo> as root
[03:43] <rata> Khantozavri, cat /proc/cpui
[03:43] <steve_don> Khantozavri: it will show up in the gnome system monitor
[03:43] <rata> Khantozavri, cat /proc/cpuinfo
[03:43] <rata> TiMiDo, thanks
[03:43] <Hobbsee> darn
[03:43] <Khantozavri> thanks a lot, buddies... :)
[03:43] <Shin_Gouki> Kamping_Kaiser, Hobbsee i found 2 files in use/bin:
[03:44] <Hobbsee> they'd probably help
[03:44] <rata> TiMiDo, it does not exist that command
[03:44] <Shin_Gouki> Kamping_Kaiser, openofficeadmin, openoffice.org1.9
[03:44] <rata> TiMiDo, and gdmsetup tries to open an X display
[03:45] <Khantozavri> that's greay, but what about speed wise? I sort of think that smp kernel isn't really working for me, I get some hangouts, and need to restart and stuff... :(
[03:45] <Shin_Gouki> Hobsee, King_Kaiser : those areopenoffice.org-1.9
[03:45] <Shin_Gouki> openoffice.org-1.9-printeradmin
[03:46] <Hobbsee> try openoffice.org-1.9
[03:46] <Hobbsee> but what type of file are they?
[03:46] <Shin_Gouki> haha
[03:46] <Shin_Gouki> could not find java
[03:46] <Hobbsee> do you have java installed?
[03:46] <Shin_Gouki> no
[03:46] <Hobbsee> well that might explain why you cant find it then
[03:46] <Hobbsee> can it just ignore the lack of java?
[03:46] <steve_don> Khantozavri: Ive been using the smp kernel for a while now havent been any problems with it
[03:47] <Shin_Gouki> yep it does it :)
[03:47] <Hobbsee> oh good!
[03:47] <telonir> how can i get gnome switch desktop when i drag a window 'over the edge' of the current desktop?
[03:48] <egoleo> is anyone using irda with ubuntu
[03:48] <N6REJ> wahooooo!!!!!!!! installed first try
[03:48] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Shin_Gouki about javadeb
[03:48] <N6REJ> now to try to get the desktop on it just in case I want it.
[03:48] <N6REJ> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop right?
[03:49] <Shin_Gouki> Hobbsee, im on the isntaller now :) HOORAY :D
[03:49] <Hobbsee> yay!
[03:49] <egoleo> infra red with ubuntu
[03:49] <KlinkMeister> I am having a problem playing java enabled games anyone have any ideas?
[03:49] <Hobbsee> do you have java installed?
[03:49] <KlinkMeister> yes
[03:49] <egoleo> do u have jre
[03:49] <egoleo> or jdk
[03:50] <KlinkMeister> i downloaded and installed the packages
[03:50] <ubuntulover> you can get it from the synaptic
[03:50] <egoleo> so check which one
[03:50] <Hobbsee> night all...
[03:50] <egoleo> is it the jre
[03:50] <KlinkMeister> ok ty
[03:50] <egoleo> or the jdk
[03:50] <Khantozavri> thanks folks.... enjoy ubuntu :)
[03:50] <surface> haih, my line slow
[03:51] <surface> i ll be update tomorro i go to my uni
[03:51] <egoleo> surface
[03:51] <egoleo> how far
[03:52] <maxmouse> anyone know where i can get themes for the greeter?
[03:53] <enodev> maxmouse: art.gnome.org
[03:53] <apocxp> http://art.gnome.org/
[03:53] <maxmouse> thanks :)
[03:54] <PieD> Hi
[03:54] <telonir> whats the autostart dir in gnome?
[03:54] <PieD> I've got a problem with my laptop on breezy
[03:54] <PieD> that's an Acer aspire 1692 wlmi
[03:54] <PieD> and the battery isn't working
[03:54] <akutbi> Need help with ubunto
[03:55] <egoleo> ok
[03:55] <egoleo> what help
[03:55] <PieD> a website (http://www.aalbiol.upv.es/ACER.html) shows me that it can be solved by a new DSDT
[03:55] <egoleo> whether i can hel
[03:55] <PieD> so I downloaded and compiled one from acpi.sf.net
[03:55] <PieD> (the one for my laptop)
[03:55] <maku> PieD, means? the battery ststus is not working or the battery has dried out?
[03:55] <akutbi> Does ubunto come with development pkg?
[03:55] <cantrel29> hello I am running breezy and trying to get subverion up and running. I have followed the instructions on the wiki and when I go to localhost/faq I get: D:error>

[03:55] <cantrel29> <m:human-readable errcode="13">
[03:55] <cantrel29> Could not open the requested SVN filesystem

[03:55] <PieD> I can't get informations about the battery

[03:55] <PieD> I don't know whether it's full or empty and so on
[03:56] <egoleo> yes
[03:56] <egoleo> like which one
[03:56] <PieD> I installed the new DSDT following the instructions of the Wiki (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ACPIBattery)
[03:56] <cantrel29> You should note that I adjusted the paths in the tutorial to point to /home/svn/faq/
[03:56] <PieD> and yet, when I reboot the computer, it's stopping on "loading ACPI modules"
[03:56] <rawiramdhan> I try to tar a  .tar.bz2 file, with tar xwfz but it asks for everey image to extract
[03:56] <rawiramdhan> extract `Orange-Rounded2/metacity-1/menu4.png'?
[03:56] <PieD> I edited the script to show its progression
[03:56] <maku> PieD, i have toshiba laptop, just booting with default config shows battery status :)
[03:56] <PieD> and I see it's freezy on loading ac module
[03:57] <akutbi> I am trying to install nVidia GForce FX 5500 and it is asking me about "ld"
[03:57] <PieD> maku: and ?
[03:57] <PieD> what is the ac module useful for ?
[03:57] <Shin_Gouki> Hobbsee, OO is workin now i thanku sooo much!! :D
[03:57] <rawiramdhan> I try to tar a  .tar.bz2 file, with tar xwfz but it asks for every image to extract
[03:57] <rawiramdhan> extract `Orange-Rounded2/metacity-1/menu4.png'?
[03:58] <akutbi> what is "ld" and from whare can I install it?
[03:58] <maku> PieD, my toshiba aslo hangs with live cd while loading modules (at 98%), but things work fine in install cd
[03:58] <Ng> rawiramdhan: take the w out then
[03:58] <Hoxzer> Is it just the same do I install ubuntu to S-ata HDD or IDE?
[03:58] <Ng> rawiramdhan: tar's -w option means "ask for confirmation for every action"
[03:58] <Ng> rawiramdhan: see "man tar" :)
[03:59] <rawiramdhan> N
[03:59] <rawiramdhan> thanx
[03:59] <rawiramdhan> worked:)
[03:59] <rawiramdhan> I read the man tar:S but couldn;t find the problem
[03:59] <ubuntulover> why "make" wine so slowly?
[03:59] <rainer> hi, is there a way to boot breezy with DMA for the drive it's booting from enabled? that might help bug 16901, I found a lot of knoppix users having similar symptoms and enabling (yes, enabling, not disabling :) solved it
[04:00] <nalioth> brb
[04:01] <akutbi> help
[04:01] <wickedpuppy> pls ask akutbi
[04:01] <akutbi> I am trying to install nVidia graphics driver but it is asking me for "ld"
[04:02] <ubuntulover> I'v make for half an hour
[04:02] <akutbi> what is "ld" and from where I can get it
[04:02] <wickedpuppy> ld
[04:03] <dipnlik> hi all
[04:03] <dipnlik> To install java, instructions on the wiki tell to install java-package, but the package doesn't exist
[04:03] <akutbi> as I read from the net it is an object linker
[04:03] <wickedpuppy> akutbi: ld is a linker
[04:03] <wickedpuppy> yes
[04:03] <wickedpuppy> sudo apt-get install ld will do
[04:04] <maku> man ld says "ld  combines  a  number of object and archive files, relocates their data and ties up symbol
[04:04] <maku>        references. Usually the last step in compiling a program is to run ld."
[04:04] <dipnlik> where can i find the java-package package?
[04:04] <wickedpuppy> perhaps you might as well get build-essential
[04:04] <N6REJ> since it didn't ask for the domain name when I installed, how can I tell it now so that postfix and everything knows.  Just adding it to /etc/hosts doesn't do it does it?
[04:04] <wickedpuppy> dipnlik: its in synaptic search for java
[04:04] <steve_don> dipnlik: the package is in the multiverse repos
[04:05] <wickedpuppy> N6REJ: /etc/hostname
[04:05] <wickedpuppy> my hostname is defined there
[04:05] <kbrooks> hmm
[04:05] <akutbi> it sayed: "E: Couldn't find package ld"
[04:06] <N6REJ> wickedpuppy: tnx, its been a while.  I wasn't sure if that was the only place.  Seems to me I had to put it several places in the old days.
[04:06] <golma> ?
[04:06] <golma>
[04:06] <wickedpuppy> np :P
[04:06] <telonir> should i update from within X?
[04:06] <golma> hihi
[04:06] <telonir> or exit and use apt get?
[04:06] <wickedpuppy> golma hi
[04:06] <dazzed> new kernel release eh
[04:06] <N6REJ> well, bedtime.... y'all have a great one.. b back t/m
[04:06] <golma> hi :)
[04:07] <wickedpuppy> nite N6REJ
[04:07] <steve_don> telonir:you can update from within x no problems
[04:07] <Syruss> In /etc/sudoers, I have %wheel ALL=(ALL) ALL to allow members of the group wheel to be able to sudo. How can I make it prompt for their password when they try to sudo?
[04:07] <dipnlik> multivers
[04:07] <dipnlik> multiverse
[04:08] <akutbi> From where i can find ld
[04:08] <wickedpuppy> Syruss: sudo is supposed to ask for password when they sudo
[04:08] <akutbi> I did give it the password
[04:08] <wickedpuppy> akutbi: sudo apt-get install ld
[04:08] <steve_don> akutbi: what happens when you do enter 'which ld' at the command line
[04:09] <akutbi> Reading package lists... Done
[04:09] <akutbi> Building dependency tree... Done
[04:09] <akutbi> E: Couldn't find package ld
[04:09] <rawiramdhan> where is the default gtk-theme-switch map?
[04:09] <Syruss> wickedpuppy, it's not though, this is breezy badger
[04:09] <nalioth> akutbi: please dont paste in here
[04:09] <dazzed> breezy is so much better than warty
[04:10] <dazzed> hoary*
[04:10] <dazzed> warty was the best(
[04:10] <Syruss> I just don't know the syntax for sudoers
[04:10] <Syruss> I've been using gentoo for about 2/3 months
[04:10] <Syruss> it's better in a few ways
[04:10] <Syruss> but worse in others
[04:10] <dazzed> i want to get onto gentoo or slacks
[04:10] <Syruss> hmm
[04:11] <wickedpuppy> Syruss: if you had done sudo properly ... ubuntu comes with a default sudo on users so there is no excuse ... nothing will do wrong
[04:11] <Syruss> well gentoo is definitely better if you're playing around with the kernel etc..much simpler in that respect
[04:11] <dazzed> Syruss: i use fluxbox talk about simple
[04:11] <Syruss> wickedpuppy, from that response I take it you don't know the answer to my question ;)
[04:11] <Syruss> fluxbox is horrible :p
[04:11] <dazzed> i love it :)
[04:12] <Syruss> I tried out E17
[04:12] <rainer> is there a boot option like "linux dma" to get breezy install cd booting with DMA enabled for the CD drive?
[04:12] <Syruss> that's pretty cool
[04:12] <wickedpuppy> Syruss: perhaps .. to me sudo is sudo ... just add the group and thats all there to it
[04:12] <dazzed> i used blackbox for windows when i was on windows and thats what introduced me to linux so its how i associate it
[04:12] <dazzed> i love it
[04:12] <Syruss> heh
[04:12] <Syruss> I love gnome
[04:12] <dazzed> gnome is nice
[04:12] <Syruss> It's one of the main reasons I'm using breezy badger instead of gentoo
[04:13] <Syruss> gentoo is nowhere near ready for gnome 2.12
[04:13] <dazzed> cant use gnome on gentoo?
[04:13] <Syruss> yes
[04:13] <dazzed> gotcha
[04:13] <Syruss> it's just it's at 2.10 unless you wasn't to break your gentoo
[04:13] <dazzed> lol
[04:13] <dazzed> i hope this new kernel update helps with my lockups
[04:14] <dazzed> damn in hoary they were so bad...unexistent in warty now in breezy much better
[04:14] <rodj> which engine makes the progress bar moves (like in osx) on ubuntu (with ubuntu's default theme)?
[04:14] <jwd> whats the command to configure X using Ubuntu
[04:14] <Syruss> dazzed, you shouldn't get kernel lockups
[04:14] <wickedpuppy> jwd : sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:15] <telonir> upgrade X from within X?
[04:15] <jwd> gracia
[04:15] <jwd>  s
[04:15] <jwd> :-)
[04:15] <wickedpuppy> there will be error if you do it in X of course
[04:15] <telonir> but that what the update progie does
[04:16] <Mateo_> Plop all
[04:16] <telonir> scary
[04:16] <telonir> are you sure its ok to use the update progie from within X?
[04:17] <steve_don> telonir: yep how else would you use synaptic to update/upgrade :)
[04:17] <telonir> apt - get ?
[04:18] <steve_don> telonir: same with apt-get can do it from x without any problems
[04:18] <zkmaster> Hi all, I need help connecting my wireless pc card to my network
[04:18] <telonir> still scary.
[04:18] <telonir> writing over files that might be in use
[04:19] <ubuntulover> hello,I'm chinese.I love ubuntu
[04:19] <zkmaster> My card is on the supported cards list
[04:19] <Gwildor> telonir, they arent really "in use" like they were in wondows.............
[04:19] <steve_don> telonir: I am sure that apt-get deals with that I do it all the time and I have never had a problem
[04:19] <jwd> yeah I ma new to Ubuntu so whats the difference between apt-get and dpkg
[04:19] <telonir> is there an advantage to using the i686 kernel over 386?
[04:20] <BockBilbo> anyone here has tried the mythtv package from ubuntu? does it work?
[04:20] <Gwildor> jwd, apt-get grabs the .deb's from the repo, and then used Dpkg to install them
[04:20] <BockBilbo> *ubuntu breezy
[04:20] <steve_don> telonir: if the app thats upgraded is running you will have to restart it to get the new version
[04:20] <dipnlik> jwd: apt-get is automagic
[04:20] <jwd> where will apt-get put them?
[04:20] <jwd> :-)
[04:20] <Gwildor> jwd, a temp dit i believe
[04:20] <Gwildor> dir
[04:20] <dipnlik> jwd: downloads in a temp, installs and removes
[04:20] <zkmaster> anyone here have expereince setting up a wireless nic with ubuntu?
[04:21] <jwd> . /var/cache/apt/archives
[04:21] <telonir> will deborphan work in ubuntu? or is there a substitute?
[04:22] <jwd> so dpkg -i *.deb
[04:22] <jwd> or whatever .deb file
[04:22] <jwd> I meant
[04:22] <nalioth> telonir: deborphan and debfoster are both available
[04:22] <telonir> which is better?
[04:22] <ubuntulover> which edition can I install ,my GPU is Gforce 2 pro
[04:22] <Gwildor> jwd, yes <sudo dpkg -i foo.deb>
[04:22] <dipnlik> jwd: the temp is something like /var/cache/apt/something...
[04:22] <telonir> sudo sh :)
[04:23] <Syruss> fixed, I was in the sudo group for some reason
[04:23] <Syruss> :p
[04:23] <telonir> got used to su
[04:23] <jwd> yeah I found it
[04:23] <eeaaxx> anybody knows how to manually download apt-get upgrades?
[04:23] <Gwildor> eeaaxx, apt-get upgrade
[04:23] <nrbq> howdy
[04:23] <eeaaxx> Gwildor: yes, i've done that. but im on a dial-up connection
[04:24] <Gwildor> eeaaxx, you lost me..........
[04:24] <telonir> its only 200mb
[04:24] <jwd> thnx Gwildor
[04:24] <nrbq> is there a keyboard sequence to access the footprint menu (or the others for that matter)?
[04:24] <jwd> ya know its nice going to a channel where everyone isn't so snotty
[04:24] <telonir> you can set a shortkey
[04:24] <jwd> :-)
[04:24] <eeaaxx> Gwildor: ok. i wanna download updates without using apt-get
[04:24] <Gwildor> jwd, dont even bother to enter #debian then........
[04:25] <kbrooks> SNOTTY?
[04:25] <kbrooks> snotty?
[04:25] <kbrooks> define!
[04:25] <nrbq> jwd, yeah, no doubt
[04:25] <Proko> does anyone already succeed in compiling puredata on ubuntu ?
[04:25] <zoot_> any xfce users here? need help with kiosk mode - thx
[04:25] <jwd> yeah you guys are great
[04:25] <nrbq> zoot_, sorry, can't help there
[04:25] <jwd> I wasn't being sarcastic if thats what you think
[04:26] <nrbq> jwd, I know what you mean
[04:26] <Gwildor> eeaaxx, yes, still, im unsure why, if i were you, i would disable all fo the repos, except 1, then update that one.....then diable it, and update another one.................can easily remove them via synaptic, or edit your sources.list
[04:26] <kbrooks> define snotty?
[04:26] <zoot_> nrbq: thx
[04:26] <Gwildor> kbrooks, #debian
[04:26] <nrbq> when I first started with IRC about 6 or so years ago it seemed populated by too many people with big brains and little winkies
[04:26] <occy> nrbq, heh
[04:26] <nrbq> ;)
[04:27] <Ng> nrbq: and you're happy now that it's full to the brim with idiots? ;)
[04:27] <nrbq> hehe, uh.....I didn't exactly mean that
[04:27] <nrbq> ;)
[04:27] <nrbq> just nicer people here is all
[04:27] <Ng> hehe
[04:27] <Proko> I know that it is possible to install puredata with the apt-get tool on a debian, but not with ubuntu, anyone can help me ?
[04:27] <eeaaxx> Gwildor: ok. because my connection is only 56k. thanks
[04:27] <nrbq> I've yet to have anyone take my head off for asking something they *think* I ought to already know
[04:28] <telonir> so should i get the i686 kernel?
[04:28] <rayde> does anybody here use afio??
[04:28] <nrbq> Proko, what's puredata?
[04:28] <telonir> 686 will use sse/sse2 ?
[04:28] <Gwildor> Proko, you could add the debian repo that it is available in, im not sure if that is supported by ubuntu or not, or you could also stop by packages.debian.org, and manual DL it from there, install via dpkg
[04:28] <nalioth> nickrud: wakey wakey
[04:28] <nrbq> oh, back to my question
[04:28] <nrbq> :)
[04:29] <nrbq> is there a keyboard sequence to bring up the footprint menu (as well as the others)?
[04:29] <Proko> sure, via dpkg, it might work
[04:29] <Proko> i will try
[04:29] <nalioth> Gwildor: debian binaries are not good to recommend. better to advise debian source repos and have apt-get build the package from source
[04:29] <zkmaster> I'm having trouble setting up my wireless NIC - My card is supported, and Its active under the networking settings. I have entered the WEP key, but it doesn't seem to be getting an IP address. Any ideas?
[04:29] <squid0> nrbq: have a look at System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcurs
[04:30] <squid0> *Shortcuts
[04:30] <nrbq> squid0, thanks
[04:30] <nrbq> on my way
[04:30] <squid0> nrbq: no prob. let me know
[04:30] <Proko> nalioth , someone told me not to use debian repos in my sources.list, so ....
[04:30] <Gwildor> nalioth, ok, i will ry to remember that.........as i have stated before, i havent used ubuntu since jsut after the first release....when they were a little more firendly with debian
[04:30] <Colloid> is there better wireless support with 5.10?
[04:30] <Gwildor> nalioth, still not advised or supported..........but worked......
[04:30] <Colloid> my card (ra2500-compatable) doesn't work all too good
[04:30] <nickrud> nalioth, hello
[04:30] <nalioth> Proko: Gwildor the current ubuntu is not very binary compatible with debian
[04:31] <Gwildor> nalioth, so i have read.........forkers :P
[04:31] <nalioth> Gwildor: Proko: however, using debian source repos and having apt-get build your pkgs is ok
[04:31] <Proko> which means nalioth ?
[04:31] <nalioth> nickrud: howdy
[04:31] <Gwildor> nalioth, JJ
[04:32] <Proko> nope nalioth , i tried, and I get an error message aimed at public key signature .
[04:32] <httpdss> Colloid: what brand do you use ???
[04:32] <nalioth> Proko: that won't keep you from using the repos for software, just gives you msgs
[04:32] <LokeDK> tmpfs                 253M   13M  240M   5% /lib/modules/2.6.12-9-686/volatile
[04:32] <LokeDK>  < what's this? never seen it.. must be something new
[04:32] <Whistler> is it possible to unmount swap partition?
[04:33] <LazyAngel> Whistler: have you tried umount?
[04:33] <Proko> so, I do not to care about that kind of message. Am I right nalioth ?
[04:33] <nickrud> Whistler, swapon and swapoff; never done it myself
[04:33] <Gwildor> Whistler, HEY, GL man.........i would recommend offering details on what you are trying to do, other thean gettign help on jsut a specific step, as there may be a "better" approach
[04:34] <nrbq> squid0, thanks - I'll need to think how I want to work this. Excellent starting point. :)
[04:34] <Whistler> k
[04:34] <nalioth> Proko: the software will still install
[04:34] <squid0> nrbq: i'm glad :)
[04:34] <Proko> ok
[04:34] <nalioth> Proko: but you may b0rk your system
[04:34] <Whistler> i want to resize my partition
[04:34] <squid0> nrbq: just set mine to use the Start key.
[04:34] <LazyAngel> what raid type is the fastest? (for swap partition)
[04:35] <Gwildor> Whistler, are you trying to make roo for a DSL install?
[04:35] <Gwildor> room
[04:35] <Whistler> yep
[04:35] <Whistler> :)
[04:35] <Violence^> guys is it meant to stay on "starting PC card services" 98% for ages ?
[04:35] <Gwildor> .   /msg me
[04:35] <nrbq> squid0, start key? I don't have one on this laptop (do I?)
[04:35] <LazyAngel> Violence^: if you have a very slow machine :P
[04:36] <Violence^> its 2ghz
[04:36] <Violence^> 1024ram
[04:36] <squid0> nrbq: ok, whatever. I'm using a Windows keyboard. use what you want
[04:36] <djbrieck> How do i know if my harware has aprpopriate drivers, eg graphics card
[04:36] <squid0> nrbq: ie. the Windows logo key. most keyboards have it. ??
[04:36] <nrbq> squid0, sorry, I meant is the Windows key the start key? I still get confused
[04:37] <nrbq> Oh, ok - whew! Felt like I was having another of my moron moments (they are too frequent to count)
[04:37] <squid0> nrbq: yes, you're right. i was unclear.
[04:37] <djbrieck> i notice when I move mindows cpu goes to 100% , so that must mean no graphics card driver
[04:37] <nrbq> Thanks - Just mapped the sam
[04:37] <nrbq> same
[04:37] <nrbq> how cool is that?
[04:37] <httpdss> djbrieck: checking on logs, maybe .. or dmesg ...
[04:37] <nrbq> :)
[04:37] <squid0> nrbq: great.
[04:37] <squid0> :_
[04:37] <squid0> nrbq: oops. that should have been :)
[04:38] <Proko> ok thanks all ones
[04:38] <dazzed> so hows everyone doing today
[04:38] <Proko> bye
[04:38] <nrbq> see, this is what I was meaning - just nice folks
[04:38] <nrbq> in the old RedHat channel I would have had my head handed to me by now!
[04:38] <nrbq> Hahaha!!!!
[04:38] <squid0> nrbq: LLL : live & let live
[04:38] <djbrieck> is the device manger of any use
[04:38] <squid0> ;)
[04:38] <Proko> thanks nalioth , it worked via a deb file, using dpkg
[04:39] <Proko> see u soon
[04:39] <dazzed> nrbq: it gets to be like that sometimes :)
[04:39] <crimsun> zoot_: yes?
[04:40] <dazzed> anyone know the path to evolution in breezy cus its not the same
[04:40] <httpdss> dazzed: /usr/bin/evolution
[04:40] <httpdss> ??
[04:41] <steve_don> dazzed: you mean to the binary try which evolution
[04:41] <antrix> How do I know whether the Ubuntu kernel has a certain patch or not? I am specifically looking for a trackpoint patch
[04:41] <cantrel29> hello I am running breezy and trying to get subverion up and running. I have followed the instructions on the wiki and when I go to localhost/faq I get: D:error>
[04:41] <er4z0r> how can I install the prior version of a certain package with apt?
[04:41] <dazzed> steve_don: i get nothing returned
[04:41] <nrbq> dazzed, well, I'm still very new to Ubuntu (about day 4 for me) and I've been super impressed by everything
[04:41] <cantrel29> Could not open the requested SVN filesystem
[04:41] <dazzed> like its not installed
[04:41] <Sn00Ze> Anybody would know how to get the status of a service (ie. POP, FTP, HTTP) [not only running or not]  like if there is any problems?
[04:41] <dazzed> but i know it is
[04:41] <nrbq> The people, the OS, the ease of use, the level of help, apt-get
[04:41] <nrbq> you name it!
[04:42] <nrbq> I'm trying to sell my wife on it - :)
[04:42] <Whistler> nrbq i really liked the community
[04:42] <kbrooks> heh, nrbq
[04:42] <kbrooks> ;)
[04:42] <nrbq> we'll see where that gets me
[04:42] <squid0> nrbq: i'm loving it too!
[04:42] <er4z0r> please help :(
[04:42] <nrbq> hey, kbrooks
[04:42] <kbrooks> nrbq: _to_ it ;)
[04:42] <nrbq> Whistler, yeah, absolutely
[04:42] <httpdss> dazzed: "whereis evolution"
[04:42] <kbrooks> not _on_ it ;)
[04:42] <nrbq> kbrooks, haha
[04:42] <nrbq> you really can't beat this OS
[04:42] <Whistler> nrbq nobody calls you lame here, and everybody is so helpfull
[04:43] <Whistler> cool
[04:43] <Whistler> :)
[04:43] <nrbq> Ok, if you need to do heavy music processing or something like that, I can see why Linux isn't quite there yet
[04:43] <dazzed> nevermind it wasnt installed
[04:43] <squid0> nrbq: i don't know so much
[04:43] <kbrooks> Why?
[04:43] <steve_don> dazzed: lol :)
[04:43] <dazzed> lol i feel retarted now
[04:43] <cantrel29> er4z0r:have you tried apt-get install [package-verson]
[04:43] <nrbq> Whistler, yeah, I've noticed that. With the other channels I used to use there was just one long rant and slander all the time
[04:43] <dazzed> it was on hoary but since i updated must have gotten mixed up
[04:43] <steve_don> dazzed: at least you learnt how to search for programs :)
[04:44] <nrbq> squid0, I'm still learning tons - all the time - and that ain't saying much, trust me!
[04:44] <squid0> nrbq: there are some good music programs out for linux, i hear
[04:44] <DocTomoe> Hm, i have a problem installing java. I got the current JDK at sun, and followed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats (the fakeroot way). However, "fakeroot make-jpkg jdk[...] .bin" tells me that "no plugin was found". Can someone please assist me?
[04:44] <dazzed> steve_don: well i have known usually i grep for things
[04:44] <nrbq> I got so tired of all the bickering I left IRC about 3 years ago and only came back when I got Ubuntu
[04:44] <nalioth> ubotu: tell DocTomoe about javadeb
[04:44] <nrbq> squid0, yeah I was looking at 3 yesterday
[04:44] <cybermike> How do i install ubuntu onto a raid1 software array?
[04:44] <zoot_> crimsun: hi, u still there?
[04:44] <dazzed> steve_don: thats why i was just wondering where it was so i could test it manually
[04:44] <er4z0r> cantrel29: I dont know, its not me who tries it but a colleague of min
[04:44] <nrbq> They look like they are pretty good, but there are config issues that I'm just not patient enough to resolve
[04:45] <nrbq> problems between oss/alsa/jack etc.
[04:45] <squid0> nrbq: i've also had a bit of a hard time with those
[04:45] <nrbq> I reckon I'll just dual boot and do all the music stuff with CoolEdit and Cubase and everything else with Ubuntu
[04:45] <nrbq> Sweep looks like a good alternate for CoolEdit, but I'll be damned if I could get it to work
[04:46] <nrbq> It loads fine, but just plays a hiss when I give it a sound file
[04:46] <squid0> DocTomoe: just make the .bin executable (enable execute permissions) and then run it
[04:46] <nrbq> ok - gotta go
[04:46] <jwd> when I reboot I have no connectivity until I type dhclient
[04:46] <nrbq> thanks again to everyone
[04:46] <nrbq> y'all take it easy
[04:46] <jwd> how cna I get that to to automaticazlly
[04:47] <DocTomoe> squid0: it is executable, but it won't install
[04:47] <telonir> updatein 427 packages. its insane
[04:47] <r0xoR> telonir, not as insane as the 966 updates in fedora
[04:47] <telonir> didnt have 966 in fedora
[04:48] <Licker> anyone here?
[04:48] <r0xoR> no
[04:48] <Licker> YES!
[04:48] <telonir> dont think i had that much installed
[04:48] <r0xoR> telonir, well there are 966 packages in updates atm
[04:48] <telonir> i need to slim down ubuntu
[04:48] <cantrel29> er4z0r: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptGetHowto?action=show&redirect=AptGetHowTo
[04:48] <r0xoR> of course they don't all get installed
[04:48] <kbrooks> telemaco: updates/additions
[04:48] <telonir> fix the installer
[04:48] <Licker> Im having some probs. My ubuntu sees my 2 network cards but it says it cant configure the network. Any ideas?
[04:48] <telonir> it should ask you what you want
[04:49] <squid0> DocTomoe: go to the directory where it is situated, then type ./path/to/the/jdk.bin
[04:49] <telonir> what i usually do is install base from cd and the rest from theweb- no updates needed
[04:49] <squid0> DocTomoe: but i think it may install in that directory
[04:49] <telonir> fix it!
[04:49] <DocTomoe> squid0: that would install, right, but I need the package, not a bruteforced install
[04:49] <squid0> so make sure it is where you want it to be installed.... (??)
[04:50] <Hendric> can anyone help me to remove PASSWORD AUTHENTICATION on samba sharing????
[04:50] <DocTomoe> squid0: other packages depend on this one
[04:50] <djbrieck> where are log at in general /...
[04:50] <telonir> root is disabled right?
[04:50] <Whistler> will ubuntu still work if i remove my home partition?
[04:50] <telonir> why remove it?
[04:50] <squid0> DocTomoe:  i don't quite understand what you want
[04:51] <WinZ> are anybody using Opera 8.50?
[04:51] <liran_> i've got access (developer) to a sourceforge project, how can i upload files/change documentation etc...?
[04:51] <Whistler> i am
[04:51] <pl_ice> hi
[04:51] <telonir> WinZ, use firefox
[04:51] <WinZ> telonir, it's very slow :(
[04:51] <emile> the post-update information light bolt keept coming back on my breezy laptop, even after rebooting and after deleting ~user/.update-notifier/* any clues how to fix this?