[00:25] <KM0201> phillw: not really sure what was wrong, but it's working now.
[00:25] <KM0201> i just put my key in, so we'll see how it goes
[00:37] <zkriesse> hallo all
[00:41] <linuxman410> -i have noticed with lubuntu 11.04 has to have at least 384 ram to install i have tried on 4 different machines
[00:44] <Unit193> linuxman410: Did you follow the directions for a mini install?
[00:45] <linuxman410> Unit193 no i just booted cd
[00:46] <Unit193> linuxman410: Then you are correct, you need about 256 for LiveCD (Maybe closer to 384...) otherwise: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall
[00:49] <KM0201> linuxman410: live cd's are always ram heavy... frankly 384 is pretty good... I think ubuntu says the live cd shouldn't be used w/ less than 1gig
[00:50] <linuxman410> KM0201 that is why i use lubuntu instead of ubuntu
[00:50] <Unit193> KM0201: Not quite... "If you have less than 160MB RAM (or 192 MB if it is 'shared graphics') you cannot use the graphical installation"
[00:50] <KM0201> linuxman410: :)  i just use lxde cuz it's so simple looking its sexy
[00:51] <KM0201> Unit193: that's not realistic though.. i've tried to boot the 11.04 (ubuntu) live cd w/ 256mb of Ram, and a separate 64mb video card, and it was not usable, not to mention the installer crashed halfway through
[00:52] <linuxman410> KM0201 i use it cause it is not a ram hog like ubuntu and xubuntu and to me lubuntu is greatest os ever
[00:52] <KM0201> linuxman410: no argument from me
[00:54] <Unit193> KM0201: I don't remember doing a 256 install (But I may as well try...), but I know just under 512 will work. Lubuntu is a great OS!
[00:55] <KM0201> Unit193: i don't doubt Lubuntu will work(never tried it... my problem was with Ubuntu 11.04.. ie, unity)
[00:56] <linuxman410> KM0201 i just used spare parts and built another desktop for lubuntu xp1700 processor and 384 ram and 20 gig harddrive and onboard graphics and sound and ethernet
[00:57] <KM0201> linuxman410: slick
[00:57] <silverarrow> cool
[00:58] <KM0201> lowest system i've put it on so far, is 512.. and it worked fine
[00:58] <silverarrow> I'm still on the look for a lighweigh computer
[00:58] <silverarrow> very few are really light weigh
[00:58] <KM0201> silverarrow: seriously.. pawn shops
[00:58] <KM0201> you look, and know what you're looking for... you can get them cheap
[00:58] <silverarrow> yeah, maybe
[00:59] <linuxman410> silverarrow are you7 in us
[00:59] <silverarrow> no lol
[00:59] <silverarrow> no pawnshops, but I might fine one used
[00:59] <KM0201> when people couldn't run Vista on their XP machines, i picked up like 5 PC's from pawn shops.. no displays, but w/ keyboards, mice and speakers, for like $75 bucks... just cuz they couldn't run vista.
[00:59] <linuxman410> silverarrow where are you at
[00:59] <silverarrow> norway
[00:59] <KM0201> $75/ea
[00:59] <linuxman410> wow
[01:00] <silverarrow> I only need one
[01:00] <silverarrow> I was thinking about a new one really
[01:00] <KM0201> silverarrow: i went through them, nuked them, and put ubuntu on them and gave them to a couple friends
[01:00] <linuxman410> KM0201 i pick them up on side of road people set out their old pc's on the curb around here
[01:00] <silverarrow> linux can be such a hazle on some laptops
[01:01] <silverarrow> lol
[01:01] <KM0201> silverarrow: yup, but if you pay attention when shopping (ie, know what hardware linux works well with, and doesn't work well with)... you can do fine on laptops to.
[01:02] <linuxman410> silverarrow i have lubuntu on p3 laptop with 512 ram and wireless card
[01:02] <silverarrow> sounds promising
[01:04] <silverarrow> there are some really nice thing ones these days
[01:04] <silverarrow> I just need to check if they run linux of some kind all right
[01:04] <KM0201> my lowest machine its on, is a 1.3ghz AMD (can't remember exactly which one) 512MB of ram, 64mb AGP Nvidia video card, 40gig hard drive.
[01:05] <linuxman410> i have gave away 49 computers with linux but i had to stop using ubuntu specs went too high
[01:05] <silverarrow> yes, totemplayer got really big
[01:05] <silverarrow> but good one some computers
[01:06] <KM0201> linuxman410: i thought about burning some lubuntu 11.04 CD's, and writing on them "Free Windows 7 install" and putting instructions in the cd envelope to install "Windows 7"... :)
[01:06] <KM0201> a clean install of course
[01:06] <KM0201> lol
[01:06] <silverarrow> lol
[01:07] <linuxman410> fedora messed up their lxde install now it requires 640 megs of ram to install fedora lxde
[01:08] <silverarrow> most computers have at least 1 or 2 GB ram, even the older ones?
[01:09] <KM0201> silverarrow: that is actually a friends PC, i suggested getting 2x512 of ebay (would probably run like $30 brand new).. but she seems content w/ it at 512.. go figure.
[01:09] <silverarrow> I never discovered the advantages with fedora,
[01:09] <KM0201> it only has 2 ram slots.
[01:09] <linuxman410> silverarrow my old ones have between 384 and 512
[01:10] <silverarrow> yeah, it's not that long ago since the white ibooks came with 512 MB ram really
[01:11] <silverarrow> apple was really slow to increase hard ware capacity
[01:13] <silverarrow> it's fun to mess with old computers
[01:13] <KM0201> yup
[01:14] <silverarrow> especially when you get them to work
[01:14] <silverarrow> I fixed an old laptop, needed new hard drive,
[01:14] <silverarrow> I needed an extra workstation
[01:14] <silverarrow> RAM is luckily often cheap on older computers
[01:27] <KM0201> unless you're unlucky enough to get a machine w/ rambus ram
[01:30] <linuxman410> KM0201 i have a rambus machine
[01:30] <KM0201> linuxman410: yeah, you mentioned that the other day.
[01:30] <KM0201> not i said the fly... i stayed away from rambus.. saw the writing on the wall w/ that one
[01:31] <linuxman410> KM0201 it is a old dell
[01:32] <linuxman410> KM0201 socket 423 pentium 4 1.5
[01:32] <KM0201> linuxman410: i had some fun just a minute ago, remoted my dads ubuntu box, and this is his new screensaver, i'm waiting on a phone call..  http://imagebin.org/161859
[01:34] <linuxman410> KM0201 does your dad use windows
[01:34] <KM0201> no
[01:34] <KM0201> lol
[01:34] <KM0201> but he won't know the difference
[01:35] <KM0201> he does know about blue screens though, cuz he used to have windows
[01:35] <linuxman410> KM0201 how did you remote into his machine
[01:35] <KM0201> cuz its set up fo rme to have remote access to it (i keep it updated, etc..)
[01:36] <linuxman410> KM0201 if u remote into another machine can u run the programs on the other machine and move the mouse cursor and such
[01:36] <KM0201> yes
[01:36] <linuxman410> cool
[01:36] <KM0201> it's not difficult at all to set up.
[01:37] <linuxman410> KM0201 can lubuntu reote
[01:37] <linuxman410> remote
[01:37] <KM0201> linuxman410: he just leaves his machine on, i log into my accoun ton his computer (since his has no admin capabilities).. and update/upgrade, etc..
[01:38] <KM0201> linuxman410: of course
[01:38] <linuxman410> well been a nice chat i need to go to store later
[01:44] <phillw> KM0201: well, you could make it worse..... http://work.failblog.org/2011/03/23/job-fails-lol-i-use-linux/ not that I would ever advise any of them :)
[01:45] <KM0201> phillw: hehe... trust me, the one i put on ther ewill send him into a panic.
[01:45] <KM0201> lol
[01:46] <phillw> KM0201: they do have some extra, really nasty, tricks :P
[01:46] <KM0201> :)
[04:55] <blargh1> I'm having a pretty hard time using fglrx while having python-pyopencl installed
[04:55] <blargh1> python-pyopencl has nvidia-current as a dependency from what I can tell that completely breaks fglrx
[04:57] <bioterror> but you have ATI?
[04:57] <blargh1> yes
[04:58] <blargh1> radeon hd 6870; doesn't matter what method I use to install fglrx either, repo, making my own .deb or installing straight from script
[05:04] <KM0201> ati strikes aain
[05:04] <KM0201> *again
[05:04] <blargh1> seems more like nvidia to me; nvidia-current completely clobbers fglrx
[05:04] <blargh1> even removing nvidia-current I saw it deleting /etc/ati
[05:05] <KM0201> blargh1: why are you installing nvidia-current, if you have an ati device?
[05:05] <blargh1> 00:55   blargh1 | python-pyopencl has nvidia-current as a dependency
[05:06] <KM0201> bioterror: is there a way to put the trashcan in the panel?
[05:07] <KM0201> blargh1: hmm, that is weird, never heard of that
[05:09] <blargh1> yeah building pyopencl from source now, hopefully this should work, since I don't actually need nvidia-current to build it
[05:12] <bioterror> KM0201, no, it needs application
[05:12] <bioterror> and the desktop trashcan is also rather ":D"
[05:13] <bioterror> but now breakfast and the off to pickup my htpc case
[05:13] <KM0201> yea..
[05:13] <blargh1> installing pyopencl from source worked like a charm
[05:13] <KM0201> have fun
[05:14] <blargh1> should I file a bug somewhere?
[05:38] <bioterror> blargh1, launchpad.net
[08:53] <phillw> jmarsden: are you about?
[09:05] <Fudge> ello
[09:06] <Fudge> glad you guys are on the go, with unity taking over for ubuntu
[09:16] <phillw> I'm sure unity will be fine when they are finished with it :P
[09:18] <head_victim> I'd be happy with Unity once they add in a bit of customisation which I believe they're working on
[09:19] <phillw> it should all be done for 12.04 :)
[09:56] <silverarrow> hi
[09:56] <silverarrow> does anyone know about chaning hardware ?
[09:57] <silverarrow> If I get a DVD rom with burner, for an old laptop that only had DVD/CD player, would it work in lubuntu right away?
[09:57] <silverarrow> I don't know minimal specs for a burner really
[09:57] <silverarrow> very demanding in CPU and RAM?
[10:07] <silverarrow> so no one here in summer?
[10:07] <silverarrow> everybody at the beach?
[10:07] <silverarrow> not bringing laptop and mobile network
[10:07] <silverarrow> ;- )
[10:36] <Archdevil> i have a crt monitor and lubuntu 11.04 sees it as 1280x1024. I want to set it to 1024x768. How can i do this?
[13:12] <Fudge> yes
[17:06] <dzone> join #ubuntu
[17:10] <xbo333> hello
[17:10] <xbo333> can i have some help please?
[17:11] <bioterror> what kind of
[17:11] <xbo333> i'm trying to install lubuntu on my old computer Compaq Evo
[17:12] <xbo333> and when i came to the command line "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:lubuntu-desktop/ppa" it gives me an error
[17:12] <bioterror> you're installing 10.04?
[17:12] <KM0201> are you connected to the internet?
[17:12] <xbo333> yes i was
[17:12] <bioterror> xbo333, you should tell us the error
[17:12] <bioterror> helps us to help you
[17:14] <xbo333> then could you hang on for a few minutes, i only have one ethernet cable so i have to switch it to the computer where i'm installing lubuntu ;) brb
[17:16] <KM0201> xbo333: yeah.. go ahead and switch
[17:17] <KM0201> of course then the question becomes, how is he gonna talk here..lol
[17:19] <xbo333> i'm back
[17:19] <xbo333> it gave me this error :"Error reading https://launchpad.net/api/1.0/~lubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppt: HTTP Error 404: Not found"
[17:20] <xbo333> bioterror:  still there?
[17:21] <GTRsdk> xbo333, have you tried 11.04?
[17:21] <bioterror> yes
[17:22] <bioterror> hmmm
[17:23] <xbo333> i've downloaded my mini linux version from here http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[17:23] <xbo333> i guess i'm going to spend 3 new hours installing the 11.04
[17:24] <KM0201> why would it take you 3hrs?
[17:24] <bioterror> xbo333, what kind of cpu you have
[17:24] <bioterror> in your EVO
[17:25] <xbo333> no really 3 hours but it took me really long so... Any chance it'll work with the 10.04 ?
[17:25] <KM0201> xbo333> it gave me this error :"Error reading https://launchpad.net/api/1.0/~lubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppt: HTTP Error 404: Not found"              is it just me, or should that be "ppa" not "ppt" on the end
[17:26] <bioterror> ppa
[17:26] <xbo333> i'm going to try with the ppa , i'll be right back
[17:33] <KM0201> bioterror: are you saying it should have been ppa?
[17:34] <bioterror> it should have been ppa
[17:35] <bioterror> https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa
[17:35] <bioterror> but now I'm off to show off with my peacemaker, laters ;)
[17:36] <KM0201> ok.
[17:36] <KM0201> your peacemaker?
[17:36] <KM0201> you're a gun guy?
[17:37] <KM0201> bioterror: are you a gun guy? (you can answer when you get back, i'm curious)
[17:37] <phixxor> hey you guys
[17:37] <KM0201> phixxor: sup
[17:38] <phixxor> if I want the most stable system, is it recommended I install 10.04 or 11.04?
[17:38] <KM0201> phixxor: 11.04 and 10.04 are stable.. LTS has nothing to do w/ stability, it has to do w/ length of support... if you';re not on a production environment or a server, i would install 11.04
[17:39] <phixxor> ok great
[17:39] <KM0201> phixxor: average home user.. 11.04 is definitely what i recommend... unless there is a specific reason for LTS>
[17:51] <xbo> thank you all ;) it worked well :p i'm sending this from my new lubuntu system :D
[17:52] <KM0201> xbo333: thats great.. so it was the ppt thing?
[17:52] <xbo333> yes
[17:52] <KM0201> great
[17:52] <xbo333> maybee i took the bad habit of using windowsand his ppt files ^
[17:53] <KM0201> it's ok, typos happen, that one was just throwing a wrench in your progress
[17:55] <xbo333> since i'm a new user i've some basic question: do i need to install an antivirus of it's not necessary? if it is which one works good and does'nt use to much cpu?
[17:56] <KM0201> the only scenario that you would need antivirus in, is if you want to scan files, etc.. because you will be giving them to windows suers, and don't want to unknowingly pass it on to them
[17:58] <KM0201> xbo333: i email you something that has a virus... it doesnt effect you, because you're a linux user, however, you want to forward that email to some of your windows friends... in tha tcase, you would want to scan any attatchments on that email, w/ a virus scanner, to make sure the windows recipients don't end up infected
[17:59] <xbo333> ok :)
[17:59] <AmberJ> Bitdefender and avast on linux are both free for home use.
[17:59] <KM0201> yeah..
[17:59] <AmberJ> There's clamav too.
[17:59] <KM0201> yeah, but clam sucks
[18:00] <KM0201> avast.. is actually really easy to use w/ Linux.. and i started testing Bitdefender yesterday
[18:00] <KM0201> had a little issu einstalling it.. (for some reason).. but after a reinstall, all went well.
[18:00] <xbo333> i was already using avast on windows then i guess i keep on with it since i was satisfied :)
[18:01] <KM0201> xbo333: the linux version is quite a bit different... it doesn't run unless you start it (cuz you don't really need it to)
[18:01] <xbo333> ok
[18:01] <KM0201> only time i use linux antivirus.. is fixing a windows PC... boot live cd, install avast, update avast, scan windows hard drive from live cd.
[18:02] <KM0201> xbo333: if you';re not planning on doing the above, i wouldn't waste my time.
[18:02] <xbo333> and for watching for example streamed videos, i guess i need to install the flash plug in one chromium...
[18:03] <KM0201> xbo333: um, sudo apt-get install lubuntu-restricted-extras    that should install all codecs, etc.. for you
[18:03] <xbo333> KM0201: on doing what above?
[18:04] <KM0201> if you're not planning on acting as a file server to windows users, or gonna be doing a lot of file sharing w/ windows users, i wouldn't worry about installing antivirus on linux
[18:04] <KM0201> unless you just want the capabilities.
[18:05] <xbo333> i'm sorry my birth language is french so sometimes i've some difficulties understanding everything
[18:05] <xbo333> ok ok :)
[18:05] <xbo333> no i won't use it as a server :)
[18:05] <KM0201> xbo333: how often do you plan on sharing files w/ windows users?
[18:06] <KM0201> i guess its not like you can't install av, and if it ever comes up you need it, its there.
[18:06] <xbo333> i think i'm gonna install it since i'm planning on using torrent files
[18:07] <KM0201> xbo333: probably a good idea, especially if you're gnna share whatever you download, w/ 'doze users
[18:07] <xbo333> can i download the linux version on the avast website?
[18:07] <KM0201> yes
[18:07] <KM0201> then i think you can just use your windows activation key for avast, on your linux version (assuming you still have it)...
[18:08] <KM0201> xbo333: http://www.avast.com/linux-home-edition
[18:09] <xbo333> what's the difference between the 3 packages proposed
[18:09] <xbo333> *?
[18:10] <KM0201> hold on
[18:11] <KM0201> RPM package -- is for Red Hat Distros... DEB -- is for Debian Distros (this is the one you want)... TAR.GZ --- is to compile from source
[18:11] <xbo333> ok
[18:12] <KM0201> xbo333: download the deb file, and just click it, and it will open up dpkg, then click install
[18:12] <xbo333> and about the "sudo apt-get install lubuntu-restricted-extras" where can i type it to download all the codecs?
[18:13] <KM0201> xbo333: in the terminal
[18:13] <KM0201> sorry, should have told you that
[18:14] <xbo333> where can i find it?
[18:14] <KM0201> find.. the terminal?
[18:14] <xbo333> yes ^^
[18:15] <KM0201> click the menu, then accessories/LX terminal
[18:15] <xbo333> ok
[18:15] <KM0201> then when that comes up, type "sudo apt-get install lubuntu-restricted-extras
[18:15] <KM0201> type your password (you won't see any **** lor ----  just type it and hit enter)... then watch in awe
[18:18] <xbo333> it says that it cannot find the package
[18:18] <KM0201> OK.
[18:18] <KM0201> do this.
[18:18] <xbo333> i'll be right back
[18:18] <KM0201> ok.
[18:20] <xbo333> i'm back
[18:20] <KM0201> ok.
[18:21] <xbo333> what should i do?
[18:21] <KM0201> hang on a sec, i'm renewing my dads license plates (he's computer retarded)
[18:22] <KM0201> ok
[18:22] <KM0201> go to the menu, then system tools, then synaptic package manager
[18:22] <KM0201> ok?
[18:23] <KM0201> xbo333: ?
[18:23] <xbo333> i don't have a synaptic package manager but i have
[18:24] <xbo333> pcman file manager
[18:24] <KM0201> no.
[18:24] <xbo333> system profiler and benchmark
[18:24] <KM0201> click your Menu (the thing that looks like a bird).. go to System Tools, then Synaptic Package manager
[18:24] <KM0201> u should have it.
[18:25] <AmberJ> menu is the button on leftmost bottom corner of screen, xbo333
[18:25] <KM0201> yeah.. "looks like a bird"... :)
[18:25] <AmberJ> phillw, ping
[18:25] <xbo333> i konow that but i only have 4 choices in the system tools
[18:25] <KM0201> xbo333: ok
[18:26] <KM0201> xbo333: open a terminal again
[18:26] <xbo333> yes
[18:26]  * KM0201 could have swore that was installed by default..
[18:26] <KM0201> xbo333: type this... sudo apt-get install synaptic
[18:27] <KM0201> then type your password
[18:27] <xbo333> it says that it is installed but i dont have it ...
[18:28] <xbo333> maybee it has a different name in the franch version?
[18:28] <KM0201> xbo333: hm, i don't think so
[18:28] <xbo333> same thing as the task manager?
[18:28] <KM0201> no
[18:28] <KM0201> xbo333: in a terminal  type this      gksudo synaptic
[18:29] <xbo333> Lecture des listes de paquets... Fait Construction de l'arbre des dépendances        Lecture des informations d'état... Fait synaptic est déjà la plus récente version disponible. synaptic passé en « installé manuellement ». 0 mis à jour, 0 nouvellement installés, 0 à enlever et 3 non mis à jour. boris@boris:~$
[18:29] <KM0201> i don't know french, so that doesn't help
[18:29] <KM0201> and don't paste long stuff like that, its annoying, use a pastebin if you must
[18:30] <xbo333> it has open....
[18:30] <KM0201> ok.
[18:30] <KM0201> in synaptic
[18:30] <KM0201> go to Settings/Repositories
[18:30] <KM0201> phillw: why isn't that in his menu?
[18:30] <KM0201> xbo333: are yo in settings/repositories ?
[18:31] <xbo333> i'm going to translate repositories in google see what it is in french
[18:31] <KM0201> xbo333: why did you install in french, if you don't know french?
[18:31] <KM0201> xbo333: you don't need a translation.
[18:31] <KM0201> i'll tell you what you need to do.. this is point/click nonsense right now.
[18:32] <xbo333> ok
[18:33] <AmberJ> select all checkboxes ;)
[18:33] <xbo333> i know french but i'm not sure what repositories means
[18:33] <AmberJ> KM0201, I guess he wants to translate for us.
[18:33] <KM0201> AmberJ: lol,
[18:33] <KM0201> xbo333: its just an online places that keeps packages, don't worry about it.
[18:33] <KM0201> xbo333: do you have the 'software sources' window open still?
[18:34] <KM0201> me 's head hurts
[18:34]  * KM0201 's head hurts
[18:34] <xbo333> can you pause a minute..
[18:34] <KM0201> if i was gong any slower i'd be stopped
[18:36] <AmberJ> xbo333, willing to give it over teamviewer to someone over here?
[18:36] <KM0201> AmberJ: if you don't know french, it might be tough
[18:37] <KM0201> teamviewer is pretty slick though..
[18:37] <KM0201> i usually just set up a reverse VNC.. since that doesnt' require the otehr end to think
[18:37] <KM0201> lol
[18:37] <AmberJ> we can open programs on our PC and see which icons/stuff we need to click and then click at that location in teamviewer
[18:37] <KM0201> true.
[18:40] <xbo333> found depositories
[18:40] <KM0201> xbo333: ok.. on the first tab, Ubuntu software.. u see that?
[18:41] <xbo333> yes
[18:41] <KM0201> at the top, check all those boxes
[18:41] <KM0201> (there's 5)
[18:41] <xbo333> ok
[18:41] <KM0201> now click the other software tab
[18:41] <xbo333> ok
[18:41] <KM0201> check all those boxes EXCEPT  the CD (that will just prompt you to constantly insert a cd)
[18:42] <KM0201> ok?
[18:42] <xbo333> is it normal that i've 4 http links
[18:42] <KM0201> yes
[18:42] <KM0201> repository is an online place... so you gotta have links.
[18:43] <KM0201> just check them all except the CD
[18:43] <xbo333> wich is the CD ?
[18:43] <KM0201> if its not there, don't worry about it
[18:43] <KM0201> it says "CD Repository"
[18:43] <KM0201> so if its not there, thats ok
[18:44] <xbo333> ok
[18:44] <xbo333> i clik on the 4
[18:44] <KM0201> after you do that
[18:44] <KM0201> click close...
[18:44] <KM0201> and you'll get a message that your source list needs reloaded
[18:44] <KM0201> click Reload
[18:44] <xbo333> ok
[18:45] <KM0201> and give it a minute, it's gonna download a new index of available packages
[18:45] <xbo333> done
[18:45] <KM0201> AmberJ: can you think of any reason Synaptic didn't end up in his system tools menu?
[18:45] <KM0201> xbo333: ok.
[18:45] <KM0201> now... click "Search" and search for "lubuntu-restricted"
[18:47] <KM0201> xbo333: you should have gotten 2 results to that search
[18:47] <xbo333> still searching
[18:47] <KM0201> ok
[18:49] <KM0201> did it finish?
[18:50] <KM0201> shouldn't take that long, unless you're on a really really slow connection
[18:50] <AmberJ> KM0201, Well, I have no idea....localization (isn't this what translations are supposed to be called?) shouldnot mess up lxde settings...
[18:50] <KM0201> AmberJ: exactly.
[18:50] <xbo333> my connection is really good but my computer is really orld
[18:50] <KM0201> ok
[18:51] <KM0201> xbo333: if its really that old, i wouldn't count on it running youtube all that well
[18:51] <KM0201> cuz that search should take 10sec tops, even on an old pc
[18:52] <AmberJ> xbo333, KM0201 is expecting a yes/no from you(?)
[18:52] <KM0201> lol
[18:53] <KM0201> well, he said the search was taking a long time, maybe he's still searching
[18:53] <xbo333> i'ts a compaq evo pentium 4 130mo RAM , 1.4GHz with a 20Gb hard drive
[18:53] <xbo333> 1 found
[18:54] <pmatulis> expected Lubuntu to be mentioned here, too bad:
[18:54] <pmatulis> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview
[18:54] <KM0201> 130mb of ram?
[18:54] <xbo333> KM0201:  he found one result
[18:54] <KM0201> holy smokes
[18:54] <KM0201> 1?
[18:55] <xbo333> yes
[18:55] <KM0201> should've been two.. but ok.. right click that package and choose "mark for installation"
[18:55] <KM0201> maybe its different on the french version.
[18:58] <xbo333> actually he didn't find anything...
[19:04] <xbo333> Can't find the "lubuntu-restricted"
[19:08] <KM0201> did you use quotes?
[19:08] <KM0201> don't put the quotes
[19:09] <xbo333> i didin't use the quotes
[19:09] <xbo333> don't bother ;) i will take the time to learn how to use it well and discover by myself :)
[19:10] <xbo333> thank you again for all ;)
[19:10] <AmberJ> KM0201, maybe the packages name got translated too
[19:10] <Unit193> xbo333: If you're ok with the terminal, you can search using  apt-cache search restricted
[19:11] <AmberJ> *package
[19:11] <KM0201> AmberJ: possible.
[19:11] <KM0201> Unit193: he's got his system in french.. it's doing some weird things
[19:11] <AmberJ> xbo333, Press ALT+F2
[19:11] <AmberJ> Type 'lxterminal' and press enter.
[19:11] <AmberJ> Then type:
[19:11] <Unit193> Package name is package name
[19:12] <AmberJ> sudo apt-cache search lubuntu-restricted
[19:12] <AmberJ> It should show up two entries in output...paste them here
[19:12] <Unit193> AmberJ: apt-cache doesn't need/require sudo
[19:13] <AmberJ> Unit193, I never noticed that...Thanks :)
[19:13] <AmberJ> Anyways, I'm off now. Over  to you guys ;)
[19:13] <AmberJ> take care
[19:13] <xbo333> thank you AmberJ
[19:14] <xbo333> didn't find it
[19:14] <Unit193> AmberJ: Have a good one and no problem
[19:17] <Unit193> xbo333: Try   apt-cache search lubuntu   if that doesn't work, can you give us the error? Or better yet    apt-cache search lubuntu |pastebinit
[19:18] <xbo333> lubuntu-artwork - artwork for Lubuntu lubuntu-plymouth-theme - plymouth theme for Lubuntu blubuntu-look - Thème Blubuntu - meta-paquet blubuntu-session-splashes - Thème Blubuntu - Écrans de session blubuntu-theme - Thème Blubuntu - thème GTK+ et Metacity blubuntu-wallpapers - Thème Blubuntu - fonds d'écrans lubuntu-desktop - Lubuntu Desktop environment lubuntu-default-settings - default settings for Lubuntu
[19:19] <Unit193> xbo333: Odd... When was the last time you did a   sudo apt-get update   ?
[19:19] <xbo333> i installed lubuntu today...
[19:20] <Unit193> xbo333: Try running that and see if you can pick it up after
[19:20] <xbo333> then i guess i'll do the update rightaway
[19:23] <xbo333> i've to leave, i'll work on that later ;) agagin thank you very much :)
[19:24] <xbo333> *again
[19:31] <phillw> KM0201: ping
[19:31] <KM0201> pong
[19:31] <KM0201> :)
[19:31] <phillw> I installed bitdefender without any problems :/
[19:31] <KM0201> phillw: yeah... i pinged you earlier i think... i purged it, and then reinstalled, and it installe dperfectly, no problems
[19:32] <KM0201> so idunno, somethin happened during my first install, clearly (what i don't know)
[19:32] <phillw> okies, I've been having internet problems here, running on backup device now :)
[19:32] <Unit193> phillw: You can also go for Avira if you wish, but I don't know what exactly you were looking for
[19:32] <KM0201> Unit193: it was just a discussion we were having yesterday.
[19:32] <KM0201> "Protecting Windows Users from Windows"
[19:32] <phillw> There are several, we were discussing which seems the easiest for those not overly familiar wit scanning files to be transferred to windows users
[19:33] <KM0201> i never tried avira.
[19:33] <KM0201> but avast is very easy... and so is bit defender... usually if someone asks about linux antivirus, i suggest avast
[19:33] <phillw> I used clamav (and will be doing again) on the mail server that is due to be set up. That is what it is best for :)
[19:34] <Unit193> I take it ClamAV and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Antivirus came up?
[19:34] <phillw> avast! is what I install on XP machines these days, as AVG seems to have an issue with them.
[19:35] <Unit193> Avira is handy if you block that ad (And I find that easy to do)
[19:35] <KM0201> Unit193: of course clamav came up.
[19:35] <KM0201> but my experience w/ it, is it sucks
[19:35] <KM0201> alwyas have a hard time updating it
[19:35] <phillw> bodhi_zazen: by the way, I tracked Derrick down! The payment for the new 10.04 LTS server will be accepted this time, so hopefully next week you can go and have a 'play' with it :)
[19:36] <phillw> KM0201: I never had a problem with the cron job... most odd :/
[19:36] <KM0201> my luck i guess.. :)
[19:37] <phillw> It has better behave as I'm installing http://flurdy.com/docs/postfix/ on the new server :)
[19:39] <phillw> I have to think of a uname for the new server... piglets-big-brother seems a bit of a mouthful ;)
[19:40] <Unit193> uname? Hostname?
[19:40] <phillw> it's unix name for when on command line ;)
[19:41] <Unit193> I use uname quite a bit, I have just never heard hostname called uname
[19:41] <phillw> most likely beacuse I'm lazy and when I get confused as to which system I'm on i type uname -a :P
[19:42] <Unit193> Seems like it'll fit http://xkcd.com/910/
[19:42] <bodhi_zazen> phillw: sweet =)
[19:43] <phillw> Unit193: Hmmm, Epidural :P
[19:47] <Archdevil> I made my brother-in-law a lubuntu-machine. He uses an old crt monitor, made for 1600x1200. lubuntu recognizes the correct resolution, but the fonts are very small. I can set the size of the fonts in the openbox settings, but on the live-cd, the menu font size does not change (in the windows). Does it change if you change it on an installed system and reboot?
[19:48] <KM0201> hmm
[19:48] <KM0201> where arey ou changing the fonts?
[19:49] <Archdevil> openbox configuration manager
[19:49] <KM0201> Archdevil: well, i'm changing my fonts now, and its going normal.
[19:50] <Archdevil> I am installing lubuntu on a spare system now. I will test it there
[19:50] <KM0201> it should work i would think
[20:11] <Archdevil> the menu's in the programs do not change font-size
[20:15] <bioterror> KM0201, sorry, I'm a bicycle guy ;)
[20:17] <KM0201> bioterror: oh ok>>:)
[20:17] <bioterror> my interests are fixed gear bikes and turbo charged cars ;)
[20:17] <Archdevil> what brings you here then ;-)
[20:17] <KM0201> never heard of a python bike (I was thinking colt python)
[20:18] <Archdevil> :-)
[20:18] <bioterror> :D
[20:21] <KM0201> so what is a python?.. is that a bike, or a snake?..lol (i just saw you mention that earlier, and was curious)
[20:22] <Unit193> Python is an interpreted language
[20:22] <KM0201> lol
[20:56] <Archdevil> KM0201: problem solved. the openbox is one part of the font setting. The other part is in lxappearance
[20:56] <KM0201> ah... ok
[21:04] <KM0201> Unit193: is there a way to figure out a machines host name?
[21:05] <Unit193> uaname -a or hostname in the terminal
[21:05] <Unit193> ...Or just look at the username@hostname in terminal
[21:06] <KM0201> yeah, what about workgroup?
[21:06] <KM0201> i'm trying to configure samba, not having much luck
[21:06] <KM0201> or does that one even matter?
[21:07] <bioterror> you create that workgroup
[21:07] <bioterror> my workgroup is SAPPORO
[21:08] <bioterror> as all my computers are machine.sapporo ;)
[21:08] <KM0201> hmm
[21:09] <KM0201> well i just left it default as MSHome
[21:26] <KM0201> man this is weird, i've never had a problem w/ this before
[21:30] <KM0201> this is weird, i never had this prob w/ ubuntu.... phillw  or bioterror do you guys know where there's like a generic samba.conf between two linux boxes, so i can see what i'm doing wrong?
[21:34] <phillw> KM0201: the only thing I can find, that may even be remotely applicable is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1746055 I don't use samba, so I am really the wrong person to ask!
[21:36] <KM0201> phillw: oh ok..  do you share between two lubuntu desktops?
[21:36] <KM0201> thought maybe there was a tool other than samba
[21:38] <phillw> KM0201: soz, no I use Virtual Machines on the same computer
[21:39] <KM0201> oh ok.
[22:44] <lubun> whats the best music player? rhythmbox? Banshee?
[22:44] <KM0201> lubun: i like audacious.
[22:44] <KM0201> but there really is no "best"
[22:44] <KM0201> it really depends on what you want.. do you want a full featured, itunes like player.. then you'd want banshee or rhythmbox
[22:45] <KM0201> or do you just want a small program that plays mp3s?  audacious is it.
[22:45] <lubun> ok thats what i need
[22:45] <lubun> the banshee
[22:45] <lubun> or rythm
[22:45] <KM0201> yeah, if thats what you want
[22:45] <KM0201> ilike rhythmbox
[22:46] <lubun> when a program says ubuntu or mentions gnome can i use that with this version of ubuntu?
[22:47] <lubun> because rhythmbox says its a music player for gnome
[22:47] <KM0201> lubun: yes.. but..
[22:48] <KM0201> the first time you install a gnome app, it's gonna install some gnome dependencies.. after that though, you wont have to install those dependencies again
[22:48] <lubun> oh ok.
[22:48] <KM0201> so the first gnome dependent app you install, it may at first look like its installing a lot of dependencies, and it may be.. but after that, you reallly won't notice it again
[22:49] <lubun> KM0201: Do i have to install all the other packages? dev, dbg, plugins, ampache, or are those optional?
[22:49] <lubun> alot of programs have that
[22:50] <KM0201> lubun: if it has them as a dependency, you have to install them.
[22:50] <KM0201> lubun: when you sudo apt-get install rhythmbox   it'll list them as either required, or recommended
[22:50] <KM0201> required, is.. well, required
[22:50] <lubun> KM0201: it doesnt do them auto?
[22:50] <KM0201> no, it does.
[22:51] <KM0201> sorry..
[22:51] <Unit193> You can also get less things to install if you use (for example) sudo apt-get install rhythmbox --no-install-recommends
[22:51] <KM0201> i thought you meant, do you *have* to install them..
[22:51] <KM0201> Unit193: was just getting to that.
[22:51] <KM0201> but that only keeps back "recommended" programs.. if its required for the program to work, then it will be installed
[22:52] <lubun> KM0201: Unit193: i was using synaptic since i kept making mistakes with the spelling of rythmbox
[22:52] <KM0201> lubun: thats fine.. it'll pop up the dependencies, click mark, then click apply, and apply
[22:52] <Unit193> lubun: That's fine, it'll work too
[22:52] <KM0201> and it'll do the rest for you
[22:52]  * phillw there, got that T-Shirt :)
[22:52] <KM0201> i really like #lubuntu... the signal/noise ratio is so much lower than #ubuntu.
[22:52] <phillw> +been
[22:52] <KM0201> lol
[22:52] <Unit193> phillw: Do I get a t-shirt?
[22:53] <KM0201> phillw: what did you do?
[22:53] <phillw> mis-typed rythmbox.... it was doing my head in!
[22:54] <KM0201> oh yeah, i bet everyone has done that
[22:54] <lubun> what is a "rhythmbox devel files"
[22:54]  * KM0201 won the spelling be in 4th grade, doznt mispel to offten
[22:54] <KM0201> :)
[22:54] <lubun> im a little gunshy with command line
[22:55] <lubun> i messed up ubuntu10.10 thats whay i came to lubuntu11.04 fresh install
[22:55] <KM0201> lubun: *usually* there's a GUI tool, to do most things a command line can do.
[22:55] <KM0201> it's just a matter of knowing what it is.
[22:56] <Unit193> Baaa... Synaptic is odd... I don't use it much (Read at all)
[22:56] <lubun> yeah... i dont like it as much as the software center
[22:56] <KM0201> Unit193: odd?  i think it's fantastic (even though i don't use it to much)
[22:56] <KM0201> lubun: i hate, HATE software center
[22:56] <lubun> why?
[22:56] <KM0201> lubun: but... you can install ubuntu software center on lubuntu if you want
[22:57] <KM0201> lubun: SLOW
[22:57] <lubun> oh
[22:57] <Unit193> KM0201: sudo apt-get purge software-center   :D
[22:57] <lubun> lol
[22:57] <KM0201> Unit193: sudo apt-get purge software-cener && and shoot developer &&  and burn with fire
[22:57] <KM0201> i think that'll do it
[22:57] <KM0201> :)
[22:57] <lubun> can i type sudo apt-get purge lubuntu? = boom
[22:58] <KM0201> lubun: actually, you could purge lubuntu-desktop, but you'd only have a CLI machine
[22:58] <KM0201> could you imagine the smoke that would arise from a 'doze machine, if you tried to uninstall "windows-desktop"
[22:58] <lubun> my worst nightmare
[22:59] <Unit193> I'm not sure if you purge lubuntu-desktop you would be missing anything...
[22:59] <KM0201> lubun: naa.. then you just stick another GUI on top of it... apt-get install ubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop, or xubuntu-desktop
[22:59] <phillw> I'd love see it done... it just conjurs up wonderful images!
[23:00] <Unit193> Does anyone still have lubuntu-desktop still installed? (It's a metapackage that can get removed quite easily)
[23:01] <lubun> so the difference between the versions is the desktop and a few programs?
[23:01]  * phillw on both my 10.10 and 11.04 for testing on :)
[23:01] <lubun> Unit193: i do
[23:01] <lubun> why is that not good?
[23:01] <lubun> what should i use?
[23:01] <lubun> i thought it was supposed to be faster or something?
[23:02] <phillw> lubun: if you are happy with the default prgrammes, then keep it there :)
[23:02] <Unit193> lubun: No, that's just fine! It's also the default, but if you remove any default programs the metapackage gets removed too (It's not good or bad)
[23:03] <phillw> I believe the devs are working on that issue for the 11.10 edition, so it does not ask to remove.
[23:03] <lubun> Unit193: i got lost with the metapackage comment? and also if there is a better setup than i dont want to be the only chump using default...
[23:03] <Unit193> phillw: Eh? Are you sure you can do that? (Besides putting it all in recommends)
[23:04] <KM0201> lubun: well.. do you not think lubuntu is faster than ubuntu?
[23:04] <lubun> meh...
[23:04] <lubun> i just took people for there word
[23:04] <Unit193> lubun: It's fine, I just removed a default program. thus mine isn't "default"
[23:04] <lubun> basically
[23:04] <phillw> KM0201: I am not a dev, i leave that work to the Gods :)
[23:05] <lubun> oh dev files for rhythmbox would be for developers?
[23:05] <KM0201> lubun: whats the specs on your machine?
[23:05] <Unit193> Lubuntu should make a fast computer seem even faster and a slow computer seem almost fast!
[23:06] <lubun> KM0201: Pent4 3ghz 1gig ram (out of 2) i got it at an antique shop
[23:06] <KM0201> lubun: that's a perfect machine for Lubuntu IMO.
[23:06] <KM0201> anything under 1gig of ram.. IMO.. it's just gonna suck w/ Unity or KDE4
[23:06] <KM0201> and not be all that great w/ xfce 4
[23:06] <Unit193> XFCE could take it...
[23:06] <KM0201> yeah, but.. i dunno, i was REALLY disappointed in xfce 4
[23:07] <lubun> but its not slow by anymeans (was faster than windows on ubuntu 10.10)
[23:08] <lubun> in fact. since i got onto ubuntu last year. ive bot 3 computers and put them on ubuntu...
[23:08] <lubun> $25-$40 for a dead computer and back to normal on ubuntu...
[23:09] <KM0201> pawn shop specials!
[23:09] <lubun> flea market, ebay, and thrift store.
[23:09] <KM0201> :)
[23:10] <lubun> i tell you. after discovering open source, i cannot justify paying to much for anything
[23:10] <lubun> i got spoiled
[23:11] <KM0201> lubun: i know
[23:12] <KM0201> i think eventually, microsoft will catch on, and you'll start seeing their popular software, in an online repository, rather than having to go buy a CD
[23:12] <KM0201> of course, it took microsoft 5yrs to figure out tabbed browsing was something that should be in IE.. so.. i'm not anticipating that any time soon, but i believei t'll happen
[23:12] <Unit193> They are even making apps for Android now
[23:13] <lubun> who is making apps?. now im on a quest to build me a beast computer that i can game with, but i struggle installing windows software.
[23:13] <lubun> even with crossover...
[23:13] <KM0201> lubun: thats the one area where ubuntu kinda sucks, is gaming... playonlinux helps, but.. it's still rarely gonna be 100%
[23:14] <Unit193> StarCraft2 works well under wine/crossover
[23:17] <lubun> how would i install something on playonlinux?
[23:19] <w30> Does anyone know how much Lubuntu takes up after it is installed?  I have 8.6 gig available for instalation.
[23:20] <w30> including  whatever later
[23:20] <KM0201> w30: prolly under 3gigs would be my guess
[23:21] <w30> KM0201, hey, that'll work cool
[23:22] <KM0201> KM0201: now thats not concrete (i have a lot of crap on my ubuntu partition).. but i can't imagine it being much more than 3... bu ti think it *requires* 5gigs, cuz of an error in the installer
[23:22] <w30> KM0201, XP takes up all 8.6 gigs so it has to go
[23:23] <KM0201> 8.6?  is this the entire size of the hard drive?
[23:23] <w30> KM0201, yep it's a ssd solid state
[23:23] <KM0201> oh ok.
[23:23] <Unit193> w30: Would it make you feel any better if I told you I had this installed on 10G? (With way too much crap filling it up...)
[23:24] <KM0201> yeah.
[23:24] <lubun> i have notice that my music plays faster than on ubuntu...
[23:25] <phillw> KM0201: there is a version of lubuntu that fits snugly in about 2.7GB... as to your data, we cannot do anything about how much you hold
[23:25] <KM0201> phillw: thats what i'm syaing, i've got a ton of data on my main / partition
[23:25] <w30> I think I can mount a /usr/local on a sd card and use that if I need something bib
[23:25] <KM0201> at least 10gigs, and i'm showing 13.5gigs used.
[23:28] <w30> KM0201, this is going to be something I carry in my pocket, I will be ok with a big old Dell laptop plus a desktop with lots of storage
[23:28] <KM0201> hmm
[23:29] <KM0201> w30: why not just get like a persistant USB install, then just use the SSD for storage.
[23:30] <w30> KM0201, yeah that would work too but I would be unlucky and break off my usbdrive
[23:31] <KM0201> lol
[23:31] <w30> KM0201, ben there done that
[23:32] <KM0201> i've never done that, but i can see how its possibe
[23:35] <w30> I have run the usbdrive on my desktop and it works well, I guess I will find out how it works on minimal hardware with this netbook
[23:36] <phillw> netbooks should be happy with a pen drive. a little piece of advise, if you want.
[23:38] <w30> I need a pen drive with a monitor eh?
[23:39] <phillw> get a pen drive that is certified as Microsoft Speed Boost. they are twice the price, but are built with faster chips and far greater redundancy.
[23:42] <w30> phillw, what about usb 3.0? which is more beneficial?
[23:43] <w30> not that I have usb 3.0 ports
[23:43] <phillw> I'm a little behind the times, I'm not sure where linux is with usb3 support.
[23:45] <phillw> I do know, that my speed-boost 2GB drive is a great little beast. Having heard about people having their cheap usb sticks 'die' on them, as they are not designed for the amounts of re-writes that a live stick takes, it was not a great leap of knowledge to realise that a stick designed as a swap area and certified, would have a great use as a ubuntu live drive :)
[23:45] <w30> my budget is mostly met by hand-me-downs *sigh*
[23:47] <phillw> join the club, that is why I could only afford a 2GB model :/
[23:48] <w30> phillw, rewrites make me fill my camera cards before erasing
[23:48] <phillw> I've read of people using those for live sticks! again, there are the cheap ones and the better ones.


[05:35] <ubot2> In #ubuntu-se, johanbr said: !no flash64 is <reply> För att installera Adobe Flash för 64-bit arkitektur kan man hämta deras plugin från http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10_64bit.html
[14:21] <mac9416> Hey, how can I request a modification for an ubottu factoid?
[14:22] <mac9416> Or maybe even the addition of one?
[14:22] <jpds> !usage
[14:22] <erUSUL> mac9416: /msg ubottu factoid is <reply>Your modified text here
[14:22] <erUSUL> then pray for someone noticing the request
[14:22] <jpds> no, factiod is <reply>$thing.
[14:22] <mac9416> erUSUL, thanks. So I don't need any special permissions?
[14:23] <mac9416> OK, got it.
[14:23] <jpds> You do, but the factoid will be put into the queue for approval.
[14:23] <erUSUL> someone in #ubuntu-ops has to aprove it and actually modify the DB
[14:26] <mac9416> Right, makes sense. When I read the wiki it looked like anyone could modify the DB. I thought "Can you say vandalism?"
[14:30] <mac9416> Request submitted. Thank y'all for your help.
[14:40] <LjL> we actually didn't get very much vandalism when it *was* freely modifiable
[14:40] <LjL> some misguides edits, yes
[14:41] <LjL> ed*
[14:54] <mac9416> That's good. But better safe than sorry I would think.
[17:31] <g_khatwani123> i have installed ubuntu on my laptop. i use wifi as internet on my windows vista.but internet is not running on ubuntu.
[17:31] <g_khatwani123> please help me to get the solution
[17:32] <Ddorda> g_khatwani123: first of all i believe it's not the right channel :P
[17:32] <Ddorda> second, is it a WEP wifi?
[17:32] <Ddorda> BRB
[17:33] <g_khatwani123> what is WEP wifi
[17:33] <g_khatwani123> if i have to configure any setting for that
[17:33] <g_khatwani123> in ubuntu
[17:34]  * andol points g_khatwani123 towards #ubuntu, which is the regular ubuntu support channel
[17:36] <Ddorda> g_khatwani123: do you have a pass on your network..?
[17:37] <g_khatwani123> yes
[17:37] <g_khatwani123> i mean no paaword is required for internet access
[17:39] <g_khatwani123> no  password is required for internet access
[17:41] <m4v> what's the general opinion of people linking pages as these http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html in Ubuntu support channels? it is alright or should be frowned upon and discouraged?
[17:43] <jussi01> !gq | m4v - better to use this one.
[17:51] <m4v> I don't think I there's a Spanish version is there? I ask because the spanish version of the link I pasted is often used in #ubuntu-es
[17:52] <jussi01> m4v: In my opinion its a good idea to educate people to ask smarter questions, but it needs to be done in a correct way, like most things..
[17:53] <m4v> and I believe that page is rude, with literal translations of rtfm and such
[17:53] <m4v> ah ok
[17:53] <jussi01> m4v: yes, the page isnt the nicest, I was about to mention ir
[17:53] <jussi01> perhaps you could find/write/translate a better one?
[17:56] <jussi01> m4v: that sabi.co.uk one is gpl'd, perhaps a translation is a good idea. :)
[17:58] <nalioth> m4v: if you would like to write a web page, i can host it
[18:00] <m4v> yes, I'm not sure if I will do it in the short while, but will note it somewhere.
[18:01] <m4v> giving an alternative is better than telling people not to link that page
[18:01] <jussi01> m4v: even if you cant do all of it, maybe make a start and propose some others in the -es area help out
[18:02] <jussi01> Its always helpful to make a start - nalioth has a wiki that may be useful for it
[18:04] <m4v> yes, I will poke someone in #ubuntu-l10n-es or their maillist
[18:04] <jussi01> m4v: ok, great. if you need hosting, just contact us :)
[21:02] <Ddorda> does anybody here know how to write a nautilus scripts?
[21:03] <jussi01> Ddorda: #ubuntu is the support channel
[21:04] <Ddorda> yes, i know, but it's more tech help in there..
[21:04] <JanC> or maybe #nautilus on gimpnet ☺
[21:04] <jussi01> forums might have some help also.
[21:05] <Ddorda> i will try that chat
[21:05] <jussi01> In any case, not really what htis channel is for. :)
[21:05] <Ddorda> and with forums it might take few days
[21:05] <Ddorda> yea yea i know, sorry :P
[23:32] <christel> hiya -- vorian has requested a ubuntu/member cloak -- please let me know if this can be applied to his nick
[23:32] <christel> :)
[23:33] <jussi01> christel: one moment while I check his member status
[23:34] <christel> thank you :)
[23:34] <jussi01> christel: yes, you are free to add an ubuntu/member cloak to vorian if he has requested that.
[23:35] <christel> thank you!


[08:22] <Drego_UP> Hello ;)
[08:27] <pragomer> hi. what program does open tilix from nautilus? like e.g. the legacy "nautilus-open-terminal"


[01:43] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[19:57] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue750 released to the public: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue750 :D


[01:30] <queuedman> Hi, anyone here have any issues with music downloads staying in "Queued.." state?
[03:28] <FiReSTaRT> queuedman: i do
[03:29] <FiReSTaRT> queuedman: just came here to ask about it lol
[03:29] <FiReSTaRT> my sync is also stuck at 0 while it worked like a charm before i tried buying a song
[03:31] <FiReSTaRT> queuedman: it might have something to do with this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store/+bug/596394 i'm not sure,b ut check it out just in case
[03:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 596394 in rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "False "Internet connection is required to access the music store" message (affects: 11) (dups: 1) (heat: 38)" [Undecided,New]
[03:32] <FiReSTaRT> plus rhythmbox crashes on restart
[03:33] <FiReSTaRT> wow.. FINALLY download complete after like 10 restarts :O
[11:27] <karni> aquarius: Do you know why a single file modification causes server to broadcast 4 consecutive generations, while a folder rename causes only 1 generation broadcast? Or should I defer the question to verterok, too?
[11:28] <karni> aquarius: perhaps gedit uses some cache file. let me check that a lil bit smarter (just appending something to a file)
[11:29] <rye> karni, gedit does atomic save, save to temp, remove, rename
[11:29] <rye> karni, and good morning!
[11:29] <karni> rye: hello rye!
[11:30] <karni> rye: that would be 4 changes.. so it saves to a new file each time, is that right?
[11:31] <rye> karni, hm, not sure about 4, first it saves to temporary file name, then unlinks the original one, then renames the temp file to original name, as far as I remember
[11:31] <karni> probably appending to file with cat >> would not generate 4 generations then.
[11:31] <karni> rye: thanks, that's definitely useful info
[11:31] <duanedesign__> hello rye and karni
[11:31] <karni> hi duanedesign__
[11:31] <rye> duanedesign__, morning!
[11:31] <karni> morning everybody :)
[12:02]  * mandel -> walking dog
[12:09] <ralsina> good morning everyone
[12:25] <pazo> any devs online?
[12:25] <Chipaca> some
[12:26] <Chipaca> pazo: what's up?
[12:26] <pazo> I've bought a song but the status keeps being "Queued..."
[12:27] <Chipaca> pazo: can you see it on the web under files?
[12:27] <pazo> nope
[12:27] <pazo> It's really odd
[12:28] <pazo> and file sync is working
[12:28] <Chipaca> hmm
[12:28] <Chipaca> rye: ping
[12:29] <rye> Chipaca, pong
[12:29] <pazo> Searching the web, shows some examples of similar type but not with a solutuin sadly :(
[12:29] <rye> pazo, syncing logs and looking
[12:29] <Chipaca> pazo: can you hang around for about half an hour more? east coast of usa will be working then (and I think this is one for somebody there)
[12:30] <Chipaca> pazo: meanwhile, rye is on it :)
[12:30] <pazo> Yep. No problem!
[12:30] <pazo> Cool
[12:30] <Chipaca> now, stopping for a bit to have breakfast with my kids
[12:30]  * Chipaca waves
[12:43] <duanedesign__> rye: if you get a chance. Couldd you take a look at this post, specifically the screenshot. I was wondering if you might have a guess to the problem. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1662534
[12:47] <rye> duanedesign__, it looks like desktopcouch cannot be contacted for some reason which disables these items
[12:49] <duanedesign__> ahh, ok that would cause that..ok
[13:52] <ralsina> CardinalFang, vds I think I'll postpone the standup until the people that's at the sprint show up
[13:53] <vds> ralsina: sure
[13:53] <ralsina> But if you need anything, I am not there, so I can help ;-)
[13:54] <CardinalFang> This is a Dallas sprint?
[13:55] <pazo> I've bought a song but the status keeps being "Queued...". Anyone who can help?
[13:55] <CardinalFang> ralsina, of desktopcouch, btw, I found and fixed three bugs Friday / Saturday.  Landing them and releasing today, I promise.
[13:56] <ralsina> CardinalFang: oh, great
[13:57] <mandel> ralsina: when will that be, I mean the standup?
[13:57] <ralsina> mandel: I am thinking in 3 hours?
[13:57] <ralsina> I hope that's not too early dallas-time
[13:57] <vds> rye: pazo has problems with a song he bought can you help him?
[13:57] <mandel> ralsina: ok, I might be able to make it, my dogs has some problems and I've got an apponintment with the vet
[13:58] <mandel> here +3 == 6pm :P
[13:58] <pazo> vds: he seems to be AFK
[13:58] <ralsina> mandel: if you don't just past it to me in private and I'll post it in your behalf :-)
[13:59] <mandel> ralsina: ok, I'll give yu the status as late as possible so that it is up to date
[13:59] <ralsina> mandel: cool
[14:04] <Chipaca> pazo: we're working on it right now
[14:04] <Chipaca> pazo: sorry for the delay :-/
[14:09] <pazo> No problem. :) Going afk for 1 hour
[15:16] <joshuahoover> ralsina, Chipaca: fyi...bug #673568 is causing maverick users to not be able to edit contacts in evolution...rye has been in touch with rodrigo about it but i don't think you guys were aware of this...kind of bad bug
[15:16] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 673568 in evolution-couchdb (and 1 other project) "Error modifying contact, other error when saving contacts (affects: 29) (dups: 4) (heat: 142)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/673568
[15:17] <ralsina> joshuahoover: yes, I had seen it, but after rodrigo was on holiday thanks
[15:59] <toml> hey all
[15:59] <toml> got some trouble with contact sync
[16:00] <toml> duplicate madness
[16:00] <toml> on Ubuntu One
[16:05] <ralsina> CardinalFang: kenvandine offered help with packaging desktopcouch if you need it
[16:11] <CardinalFang> ralsina, I don't think I do.  The packaging is pretty easy.  Thanks, kenvandine.
[16:12] <CardinalFang> if kenvandine wants to maintain "upstream" project, I'd take that, ha ha.
[16:13] <ralsina> hahaha
[16:16] <kenvandine> CardinalFang, no way :-p
[16:16] <CardinalFang> Dang.
[16:22] <ralsina> mandel, vds, CardinalFang: Looks like I have to go to the bank, so no standup today guys
[16:23] <ralsina> Bright side, you will look much more productive tomorrow
[16:23] <mandel> ralsina: as you wish :)
[16:25] <vds> :)
[16:35] <karni> hi (again) everyone
[16:35] <karni> aquarius: verterok: thank you for your mail response
[16:35] <karni> aquarius: lemme know when you have a moment to talk
[16:35] <aquarius> karni, go for it
[16:35] <karni> great
[16:35] <karni> aquarius: i'd like to talk the selective sync for a moment
[16:36] <aquarius> ok
[16:36] <karni> aquarius: main issue is that, since files are replaced instead of 'changed' (as a regular user would percieve)
[16:36] <karni> it'd take some skill/neat idea to cache those generations bumps and sync only when necessary not to loose the info about being a fav item
[16:37] <karni> however, it's not that easy. imagine a user has the service working on the phone at the moment
[16:37] <aquarius> karni, but that's fine, if you're storing (folder id, path) as the key for favourites, as we discussed?
[16:37] <karni> somebody changes a file in a share...
[16:37] <karni> aquarius: lemme finish, that works - but only for "invoked sync", rather than callbacks in realtime
[16:38] <karni> aquarius: the point is that, once we say 'hey, sync now' and we fetch some newer generation, that solution works fine
[16:38] <karni> and we don't loose that fav info
[16:38] <hrw> hi
[16:39] <karni> however, that works because we (possibly! that's not sure) have just jumped over that step 'file removed / file created'
[16:39] <karni> aquarius: to be precise, let me rephrase
[16:39] <karni> aquarius: we don't loose the fav info, if the delta for given generation contains, at the same time, 1. file deleted 2. file created -- that works fine
[16:39] <hrw> someone can tell me which exaclty packages I need to have installed to get u1 working in non-gnome?
[16:39] <karni> as I just update some values (nodeId, hash, etc)
[16:40] <aquarius> karni, just don't delete things from the favourites list, *even if* the file is deleted
[16:40] <karni> aquarius: why didn't I think about that xD
[16:40] <aquarius> if the worry is that eventually the favourites list will get too big, then run a cleanup job on it when it gets too big and remove the oldest items which aren't there any more
[16:41] <karni> aquarius: this is just a column in the main 'files' table to avoid unnecessary joins
[16:41] <toml> anyone around from the One team?
[16:41] <karni> however, that is sufficient.. right. I'll remove the old file copy if I receive isLive=false, but not the meta.
[16:41] <CardinalFang> Plenty.
[16:41] <toml> aha
[16:41] <toml> good good ...
[16:42] <karni> aquarius: that way I can update it in the future with the new file, and it'll still be favourite. that makes sense.
[16:42] <toml> so, funambol
[16:42] <CardinalFang> Ick.
[16:42] <toml> is creating duplicate contacts
[16:42] <toml> ...now, this is from within Thunderbird
[16:42] <toml> (i know, i know, it's not supported in v 3)
[16:42] <CardinalFang> And that's a shame,  V3 rocks.
[16:42] <toml> it does
[16:42] <toml> it's a great improvement
[16:43] <toml> v3 has  dragged me back to it in fact
[16:43] <toml> but
[16:43] <toml> sync is required
[16:43] <karni> aquarius: lastly, i'd say (parent id, filename) instead of (parent id, path). that's shorter, and sufficient.
[16:43] <toml> any ideas on how to get tbird syncing with couchdb etc
[16:44] <aquarius> karni, does every folder have a folderid, or just UDF top-level folders? I wasn't sure about that, which is why I wasn't sure and passed it over to verterok :)
[16:44] <rye> toml, i think I can create a simple exporter from CouchDB contacts to vcard format...
[16:44] <toml> rye, hey
[16:44] <rye> not autosync though
[16:44] <verterok> aquarius: yes, every node have a node_id (and directories are nodes ;) )
[16:45] <karni> aquarius: any folder (equally, parent of a file) has a nodeId that doensn't change, even upon folder rename
[16:45] <toml> yeah, the autosync's gotta be the long term aim I guess
[16:45] <karni> verterok: perfect explanation :)
[16:45] <aquarius> toml, JamesTait has been working on Thunderbird contacts sync with Ubuntu One (not using Funambol, but working directly with CouchDB), but I don't know what stage that's at
[16:45] <toml> rye, the thing is that the funambol plugin seems to mostly work
[16:45] <toml> aquarius, I've tried out that ... doesnt' work with tb 3
[16:46] <toml> aquarius, hedera's the name
[16:46] <aquarius> toml, yeah, I was just attracting JamesTait's attention in case he said "I've fixed that in a branch" or something :P
[16:46] <karni> aquarius: ok, last question then (because this is seriously better sonner then later ;) )
[16:46] <JamesTait> I have not finished that in a branch. :)
[16:46] <rye> wow
[16:46] <toml> JamesTait, hey man - tried out your plugin
[16:47] <rye> JamesTait, that is awesome!
[16:47] <karni> aquarius: looking from volumes perspective, this task is trivial. syncing a volume is like any sync in U1 - isLive=false? fine, delete file. isLive=true? great, download it.
[16:47] <toml> JamesTait, thanks for putting it together ... def meets a need, but does't play well with v3 on firefox
[16:47] <toml> JamesTait, that's Thunderbird, not firefox  oops
[16:48] <JamesTait> toml :) I guessed that.
[16:48] <karni> aquarius: however making only volumes syncable - we loose the grantulity of the sync to file level. i.e. you wouldn't be able to sync a single file from a volume, which sounds like a cool feature.
[16:48] <toml> JamesTait, just acknoledging my idiocy ;)
[16:48] <karni> aquarius: (i.e. sync only this UDF, that UDF, and this Share)
[16:48] <toml> JamesTait, are you thinking of carrying on work in the plugin?
[16:49] <hrw> someone can tell me which exaclty packages I need to have installed to get u1 working in non-gnome?
[16:49] <JamesTait> toml: I'm working exclusively on TB3 now, unless someone asks for TB2 in which case I'll invite patches. :)
[16:49] <aquarius> karni, yep, OK
[16:49] <aquarius> hrw, I'm not sure, but I imagine that rye will know :)
[16:49] <toml> JamesTait, ah cool ... you making progress?
[16:50] <JamesTait> toml: Work has begin again the last week or so, and progress is being made, yes. :)
[16:50] <rye> hrw, you will need to have ubuntuone-client, it will bring the dependencies such as gnome-keyring with it (well, depending on the version though)
[16:50] <toml> JamesTait, so I'd better just cut to the chase: eta on an update?
[16:50] <karni> aquarius: that ACK means exactly.. ? should we stick to file-level sync, or volume-level sync (which is trivial, and more desktop syncdaemon like)?
[16:51] <hrw> rye: natty
[16:51] <JamesTait> toml: I'll be landing a branch very soon that adds some UI elements for visual feedback and to enable/disable debug via preferences.
[16:52] <JamesTait> toml: Very soon being today or tomorrow, most likely.
[16:52] <rye> hrw, ubuntuone-client will bring everything in. ubuntuone-client-gnome provides nautilus and preferences applets
[16:52] <aquarius> karni, ah, that wasn't an ACK, that was "I understand what you've said, thus far". I, personally, do not believe that turning on sync for a whole UDF is a good idea on Android. I think favourites should be files only, or maybe files and folders, but not a whole UDF. But I'm open to suggestions from beuno on that; I can see an argument for UDF-level sync (specifically, I create a UDF named "sync to my phone", and
[16:52] <hrw> rye: I have both
[16:52] <aquarius> then drop things in it to have them appear on my phone with no effort)
[16:53] <karni> aquarius: oh good, sorry. I'm glad you expanded on that :D
[16:53] <hrw> State: READY
[16:53] <JamesTait> toml: Pushing contacts is failing in some circumstances at present, so that's next. I haven't investigated so I don't know how big a problem it is.
[16:53] <hrw>     connection: Not User With Network
[16:53] <hrw>     description: ready to connect
[16:53] <hrw>     is_connected: False
[16:53] <hrw>     is_error: False
[16:53] <hrw>     is_online: False
[16:53] <hrw>     queues: IDLE
[16:53] <hrw> thats what u1sdtool -s says
[16:54] <toml> JamesTait, ah very cool indeed James. I think it's a key missing piece in the puzzle for ubuntuone - you going to be updating through launchpad?
[16:54] <hrw> ~/.config/ubuntuone/ dir is empty
[16:54] <JamesTait> toml: Absolutely. :)
[16:54] <toml> JamesTait, okay, great ... will test for you on it
[16:54] <JamesTait> toml: Fantastic, I can use all the feedback I can get!
[16:55] <hrw> btw - bug 701099
[16:55] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 701099 in ubuntuone-android-contacts "Ubuntu One Contacts should use Ubuntu logo (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/701099
[16:55] <toml> JamesTait, okay, I'll watch for it. Thanks for the update.
[16:55] <karni> aquarius: ok then, thanks a bundle. I'll wait for beuno-lunch to speak his mind on the topic. however, looks like file-level sync is more resonable from a user's perspective
[16:56] <aquarius> karni, I like the idea of having a UDF I can just drop things in, though. Can you reasonably easily calculate the size of a UDF?
[16:57] <aquarius> karni, so that if I favourite a UDF you can check the size and say "that'll sync 12GB to your phone; are you sure you want to do that?"
[16:57] <karni> aquarius: AFAIK we get the file synce once we download that, but I'll double check if it's not in the delta. if it is, that'd be possible. 1 sec
[17:00] <JamesTait> toml: The UI elements piece got brought forward, because I got quite a few questions along the lines of "I installed it, how do I know it's installed/working?"
[17:00] <karni> aquarius: I meant *size. I see that the size is provided in the delta, which would mean yes. however, since I don't display the size until the file is downloaded - I must have had a reason for that. I'm looking at the sources.
[17:03] <rye> hrw, u1sdtool --connect ?
[17:04] <hrw> rye: did that few times. problem is that u1 is still not configured
[17:04]  * hrw goes to search for note taker which uses dropbox or ssh/sftp
[17:05] <JamesTait> toml: but work basically stopped around September due to lack of time, until last week or so. I'm actively hacking again now.
[17:05] <rye> hrw, by not configured - was it prompting you to register?
[17:05] <hrw> rye: no, it didnt. thats the problem I think
[17:06] <rye> hrw, ok, could you please check whether you have ubuntu-sso-client installed?
[17:06] <hrw> rye: 1.1.7-0ubuntu1 is present
[17:07] <toml> JamesTait, aye, it's hard enough making these things off your own back anyhow, so I appreciate the work ...
[17:08] <rye> hrw, ok, could you please try running env DEBUG /usr/lib/ubuntu-sso-client/ubuntu-sso-login
[17:08] <rye> ?
[17:11] <hrw> 11:10 hrw@lucek:.config$ DEBUG=1 /usr/lib/ubuntu-sso-client/ubuntu-sso-login
[17:11] <hrw> Ubuntu SSO login manager already running, quitting.
[17:11] <hrw> killed, restarts
[17:12] <hrw> rye: http://hrw.pastebin.com/D7xC79zm is effect of running it and "u1sdtool -c" in other shell
[17:13]  * hrw installs gnome-keyring by hand
[17:13] <hrw> now it works...
[17:15] <hrw> for years I thought that Debian packages have proper dependencies. looks like it does not applies to Ubuntu packages
[17:15] <karni> aquarius: so: FileInfoDelta (item in a requested delta) does have a method getSize(). However, initially it returns zero. I fetch the file size from getContent request, nodeAttr.getSize() -- that'd mean we only know the size of downloaded files.
[17:15] <karni> verterok: Should a FileInfoDelta contain a proper size of a file? (it does have a getSize() method, but it returns 0 )
[17:16] <karni> verterok: I fetch the file size from nodeAttr once I got the file with getContent(..)
[17:16] <verterok> karni: it should be in the FileInfoDelta, let me check the code
[17:17] <verterok> karni: the protocol code looks ok...are you sure that the file size != 0? :)
[17:18] <karni> verterok: Thank you for checking. Now let me brutally output that to stderr and make sure (SQL insert didn't complain, and it was indeed 0).
[17:19] <verterok> karni: brb, need to step out for a bit
[17:19] <karni> verterok: ok
[17:23] <karni> verterok: once you're back -- yes, it's all zeros (line 43 logs) http://paste.ubuntu.com/552521/
[17:23] <karni> aquarius: once we resolve that - yes, a simple sql query will provide a Volume size.
[17:28] <rye> hrw, the only thing that was missing was gnome-keyring daemon. org.freedesktop.secrets is provided by gnome-keyring and it is possible that it was not started
[17:28] <pazo`> rye: do you know ca. when the song will be ready? :)
[17:28] <karni> beuno-lunch: i'll be back in ~1h
[17:30] <hrw> rye: but ubuntuone-client does not depends on gnome-keyring so for non-gnome installations u1 is just purely broken?
[17:32] <rye> hrw, python-gnomekeyring is brought in by ubuntu-sso-client
[17:32] <hrw> rye: not here
[17:33] <hrw> 11:33 hrw@lucek:~$ apt-cache show ubuntu-sso-client|grep Depends
[17:33] <hrw> Depends: python (<< 2.8), python (>= 2.7), python-support (>= 0.90.0), python-dbus, python-gtk2, python-lazr.restfulclient, python-oauth, python-twisted-core, python-twisted-web, python-webkit, python-xdg
[17:33] <rye> hrw, you are using standard natty packages, right?
[17:34] <verterok> karni: weird, I'll try to debug that while I take a look to the connection/IOException handling
[17:34] <verterok> now, lunch!
[17:34] <hrw> rye: right
[17:34] <rye> hrw, there are nightlies ppa which contain the code that will be merged to natty/main later on which contains fixes and features that are not yet in main
[17:35] <karni> verterok: bon apetit! (you're awesome verterok )
[17:36] <hrw> rye: I used u1 just to sync gnote notes from desktop to n900 with conboy. now, when I moved to android it looks like there is no use for u1 for me anymore (I do not keep files there)
[17:54] <pazo`> rye?
[18:43]  * CardinalFang listens to approaching thunderstorm and hastily appends "Acquire UPS" to his new-year's resolutions.
[18:44] <rye> pazo`, hi could you please re-check My DOwnloads page?
[18:46]  * karni is back
[18:48] <karni> beuno: 17:50-18:00 we talked together with aquarius on what granurality should the sync have. could you have a look at that and let me know what you think? :)
[18:49] <beuno> karni, sure
[18:49] <beuno> let me convert that into my TZ and look it up
[18:50] <karni> bac: oh, sorry ^ ^ it's been about 1:50h ago
[18:51] <pazo`> rye: it worked! Thanks!
[18:52] <beuno> karni, right, I agree with aquarius
[18:52] <aquarius> beuno, aquarius is not sure what he thinks :)
[18:52] <beuno> syncing full volumes will make little sense on phones
[18:52]  * karni nods
[18:53] <aquarius> beuno, but if you know what you're doing, wouldn't it be great? Just create a folder called "Nexus S" and make it a UDF, and then drop things into it. Music, comic books, videos, photos, games, ringtones, books...
[18:53] <aquarius> beuno, that's pretty compelling, I think
[18:53] <beuno> aquarius, of course
[18:53] <aquarius> beuno, although I suppose the workaround is to create a "Nexus S" UDF, create a folder in it called "Everything", and then mark Everything as synced ;)
[18:54] <karni> aquarius: exactly
[18:54] <aquarius> this is why I wondered whether we can detect the size of a UDF/folder when someone favourites it, and warn "this will sync X GB to your phone" if it's more than a few hundred MB
[18:54] <beuno> aquarius, karni, does it have to be one or the other?
[18:54] <beuno> also
[18:54] <beuno> lets design for people who don't know what they're doing first
[18:54]  * aquarius laughs
[18:55] <karni> aquarius: yup, seems like a bug in the storage protocol java impl didn't let us do that. once that fixed, we're there.
[18:55] <aquarius> I still think that warning people about large syncs should be done even if just at folder level (not whole-volume level). And once we've got that warning at folder level, then there's no real reason to not offer whole-volume sync either, is there?
[18:55] <karni> beuno: not really, no. what I meant is
[18:55] <beuno> right, always warn
[18:56] <karni> beuno: implementing per-volume sync only is much more trivial then per-file sync
[18:56] <beuno> karni, then lets do it in that order
[18:56] <aquarius> no-one's suggesting *only* per-volume sync, are they? I think we should have all of per-volume, per-folder, and per-file
[18:57] <karni> aquarius: I was sensing what can we go for ;)
[18:57] <beuno> so we all agree
[18:57] <aquarius> I'd really like per-content-type as well, and per-search, and possibly per-time, but then again I'd like someone to invent a pie with no calories in it too :)
[18:57] <karni> beuno: we'll do it per-file and go up from there. per-file involves much delicate measures then per-volume.
[18:57] <karni> aquarius: hahah
[18:57] <beuno> aquarius, well, we're >< this close to being able to implement per-content thingies, since the low-level api to do that is done
[18:58] <karni> ok, so we've cleared that up.
[18:58] <aquarius> beuno, per-content-type for *any* content type? I didn't know that. Why didn't I know that?
[18:58]  * karni is a lil'bit lost right now
[18:58] <beuno> aquarius, yeah, we can filter by mimetype
[18:58] <beuno> karni, ignore this part of the conversation for now  :)
[18:58] <karni> hehehe
[18:59] <beuno> aquarius, we try to not tell you certain things, to keep you focused!  ;)
[18:59] <aquarius> cor. It's amazing the things you find out. I shall slap myself for not already knowing this :)
[18:59] <karni> bah, I'll use the moment and recall my other suggestion about auto-magic media content sync
[18:59] <beuno> aquarius, basically, this is how we do music scanning. Only look at files with certain mimetypes
[19:00] <aquarius> beuno, yeah, but I didn't think that API was exposed (even in the syncdaemon protocol)
[19:00] <beuno> aquarius, probably a days' work to expose it
[19:00] <karni> having scheduled content sync - we can use this time (or little bit more often) to check what media has been captured in the mean time
[19:00] <aquarius> oh, right, gotcha, I get it now.
[19:00] <beuno> it's in the DAL
[19:00] <karni> as media is timestamped
[19:00] <aquarius> beuno, right, good, then I did know about it. I was worried, there:)
[19:01] <karni> by doing so - the services doesn't have to run all the time, and we can adjust how often it should poll for new media content (i.e. new pictures/videos, etc)
[19:01] <karni> that's just a thought for CardinalFang, but we'll get there sooner or later.
[19:01] <beuno> karni, right, I think that's something between you and CardinalFang to figure out
[19:01] <aquarius> karni, by "poll", there, you mean "how often the Android service should start up and talk to the server to see what's new", yes?
[19:01] <karni> ok, so I'll use the (parentId, filename) trick to track favourite items
[19:02] <karni> aquarius: no no, we're talking about sync-ing up users pictures (not lying under /sdcard/u1/*),
[19:02] <karni> aquarius: this is what CardinalFang was working in the mean time
[19:03] <aquarius> karni, I thought there was a NewPicture intent or something like that?
[19:04] <CardinalFang> There may be.  I haven't seen it in testing yet.  It could be useful to catch a broadcast intent, as a way on ensuring code is running soon after a photo lands.
[19:04] <beuno> aquarius, karni's irc session died
[19:06] <karni__> aquarius: sorry, got disconnected
[19:07] <aquarius> CardinalFang, ah, OK. Catching a broadcast intent is obviously the best approach -- being event-driven is good for power, as you know :)
[19:07] <karni__> although it looks like i'm still around ;D
[19:07] <karni__> aquarius: right. however (sad news) I have verified what I wrote before, and it turns out
[19:07] <karni__> aquarius: MediaScanner was invoked on events such as boot and sd card mounted
[19:08] <karni__> aquarius: which means - the broadcast is not sent when a regular picture is taken (it's just saved directly to media content provider, instead of invoking the media scanner)
[19:08] <aquarius> also...aren't pictures *always* saved to SD? Can't we just watch the folder, with some sort of inotify-ish thing?
[19:08] <aquarius> (er, saved to the filesystem, whatever that is)
[19:09] <CardinalFang> aquarius, yes.  This requires running code, though.
[19:09] <aquarius> CardinalFang, a good point and well argued. :)
[19:09] <karni> CardinalFang: or timed Alarm with a single sql query
[19:09] <karni> too bad I didn't see what Chad wrote :<
[19:10] <karni> ok, getting back to work
[19:10] <aquarius> and you can't receive intents if you're paused anyway, afaicr
[19:11] <karni> aquarius: you're talking about broadcast receivers? these can wake up the app.
[19:13] <aquarius> oh, you can if you statically register a broadcastReceiver in AndroidManifest. Good.
[19:13] <aquarius> not that it matters if there *is* no Intent for "just taken a picture". Damn.
[19:13] <karni> uhm :<
[19:19] <CardinalFang> Yeah, broadcast receivers are only hooked from what reads the AndroidManifest, I'm pretty sure.
[19:19] <aquarius> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/content/Intent.html#ACTION_CAMERA_BUTTON, although that might be only for a hardware camera button :)
[19:19] <CardinalFang> Yeah, that's how the camera app knows to begin running.
[19:19] <aquarius> oh, that's not the camera button to *take* a picture, it's the one to start the camera app? bah.
[19:20] <aquarius> my phone doesn't have a hardware camera button
[19:20] <CardinalFang> Well, it may do both.
[19:20] <CardinalFang> Mine either.
[19:21] <aquarius> be interesting to see if that intent is fired when taking a picture, though
[19:21] <karni> I'm 99.5% sure I've been there and checked that.
[19:21] <karni> I've really tried to find a broadcast action for what we needed.
[19:23]  * karni just had an Ubuntu 10.10 server failure, doh
[19:29] <CardinalFang> I've been thinking of making a Cron app or firmware hack.  It figures out some way of running all the time.  It broadasts intents for time.  You could register to hear  org.chad.Cron.MINUTE_20  to get run every hour.
[19:30] <aquarius> isn't this what AlarmManager is for?
[19:30] <CardinalFang> Dunno.
[19:30] <aquarius> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/AlarmManager.html
[19:30] <CardinalFang> These are not user-level events I have in mind.  Some service gets started.
[19:31] <CardinalFang> Ah.  Not bad.  Repeating, too.  Hmm!
[19:32] <CardinalFang> Okay.  Now I don't have to write that.   Something sounding like... Alarm ;)
[19:37] <karni> Yes, that's exactly what I was talking about.
[19:37] <karni> We could see if there's new content in MediaProvider
[19:37] <karni> Since the last time we checked.
[19:37] <aquarius> yeah. If we can't be event-driven then we have to poll.
[19:38] <karni> aquarius: Still, this is relatively lightweight. Just one query using Alarms (which are adives way of doing repetitive work on Android)
[21:28]  * CardinalFang yells at bzr.
[21:52] <mpt> nessita, hi, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotificationDesignGuidelines may be relevant to the discussion I heard you having earlier
[21:52] <nessita> mpt: thanks! I'll take a look
[22:13] <beuno> CardinalFang, FWIW, song ids are md5s of the title+album+artist (IIRC)
[22:14] <beuno> er
[22:14] <beuno> CardinalFang, ignore that
[22:14] <CardinalFang> beuno, haha.  You're everywhere.
[22:14] <beuno> they are our own hashes from our DB
[22:14]  * beuno spies everything
[22:15] <beuno> CardinalFang, so, what I discussed with aquarius is that people need to make sure the files are in U1 anyway, so they may as well "verify" that by using our ID
[22:15] <CardinalFang> beuno, er, that's no good.
[22:15] <beuno> album ids are what we md5 to generate
[22:15] <beuno> CardinalFang, tell me more about this not good
[22:19] <CardinalFang> beuno, I think it's wrong to assume all the user's music files are going to be stored on Ubuntu One.
[22:19] <CardinalFang> beuno, would you like to rename this to be "ubuntuoneplaylists"?
[22:21] <beuno> CardinalFang, ah, that is probably the right thing to do
[22:22]  * CardinalFang notes that for tomorrow.
[22:22] <CardinalFang> G'night, all.
[22:22] <beuno> night CardinalFang


[00:29] <callmepk> good morning
[05:40] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[05:49] <jibel> Good morning all
[05:52] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[05:54] <jibel> Salut oSoMoN
[06:02] <oSoMoN> salut jibel
[06:05] <didrocks> good morning
[06:06] <jibel> Salut didrocks
[06:07] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[06:07] <didrocks> hey oSoMoN
[06:45] <seb128> lut jibel, oSoMoN, didrocks, comment ça va aujourd'hui ?
[06:48] <didrocks> seb128: ça peut aller
[06:48] <didrocks> et toi ?
[06:51] <seb128> ça va
[07:40] <jamesh> oSoMoN: for pipewire support in the Chromium snap, do you know if it is using the xdg-desktop-portal interface to get the pipewire sources?
[07:46] <jamesh> I guess the answer is yes: https://source.chromium.org/chromium/chromium/src/+/master:third_party/webrtc/modules/desktop_capture/linux/base_capturer_pipewire.cc;l=55?q=org.freedesktop.portal.ScreenCast&ss=chromium
[07:46] <oSoMoN> jamesh, yes indeed
[07:46] <oSoMoN> seb128, ça va, merci
[07:47] <oSoMoN> jamesh, I need to look further into it, because I'm seeing both the portal chooser and the chromium custom UI when trying to share the screen, so something isn't working as intended
[07:47] <oSoMoN> (and then screen sharing doesn't actually work after selecting the source)
[07:56] <jamesh> It's kind of interesting seeing Firefox and Chrome use the portals interface by default even outside of confinement
[07:57] <jamesh> Kind of like a compatibility layer, given there's no cross-compositor API for this
[08:05] <Laney> yo
[08:06] <seb128> hey jamesh, Laney, how are you?
[08:06] <jamesh> hi seb128
[08:07] <jamesh> had an (enforced) quiet weekend at home
[08:07] <seb128> Laney, now that hirsute is out any chance you find some review slots for the KPI MPs which are waiting?
[08:07] <seb128> jamesh, ah, right, back in lockdown mode for you
[08:08] <seb128> they lift some restrictions here tomorrow, no more curfew and outside of restaurants can open again
[08:08] <jamesh> seb128: most of the restrictions were lifted this morning.  There are some people who were at certain restaurants ordered to do 14 days of self quarantine though
[08:09] <seb128> on limited hours though, closing at 6pm, so no after work drink outside yet
[08:09] <jamesh> They still say there is a limit of 100 people at weddings and funerals, so I guess it wasn't an extra "0" as a typo
[08:24] <Laney> hey seb128, yeah doing ok, still confused about rabbitmq though 😬
[08:24] <Laney> how's it going there?
[08:24] <Laney> and ok, will put it on the list
[08:27] <seb128> thanks
[08:29] <seb128> Laney, doing fine, struggling a bit with backlog of $things, GNOME SRU needed to different series, hirsute triaging, new serie merges and updates to start and of course new cycle roadmap planning and working on the actual items...
[08:29] <seb128> + trying to keep improving the reports and scripts
[08:33] <luna> morning desktoppers
[08:36] <seb128> hey luna, how are you?
[08:38] <oSoMoN> good morning luna
[08:38] <seb128> shrug, dbus-daemon crashed, the session didn't like it
[08:45] <luna> seb128: a bit tired but otherwise fine
[08:45] <luna> oSoMoN: Firefox 89 Beta 5 today btw
[08:45] <oSoMoN> ack
[08:52] <Laney> seb128: yeah lots to do, I was thinking of doing some SRUs in the next week or two too
[09:01] <seb128> Laney, thanks, help with the SRUs or desktop merges in the next weeks would be welcome, I'm a bit single handed on those items atm, which is fine but it means I can't really get started on other work like helping more on the installer
[15:50] <seb128> Laney, is hirsute 'open for SRU' now (whatever that means from an archive or launchpad perspective)?
[15:50] <Laney> is from my pov but check with the sru team to be sure
[15:50] <Laney> I'm sure there is no reason you can't upload
[15:52] <seb128> Laney, I was rather asking from an archive/launchpad perspective, before digging in ddeb retriver code to see why it's not considered hirsute-proposed as valid
[15:53] <seb128> I know on friday tjaalton mentioned that sru-review was not working yet
[15:53] <seb128> so I was wondering if there was a flag in launchpad that needs to be turned on at some point and wasn't yet maybe
[15:53] <seb128> sorry the question is a bit vague, it was a random shot in case it was an obvious 'we are not at this step of the archive opening yet'
[15:54] <seb128> guess not, I will debug and figure it out :)
[15:55] <Laney> seb128: I don't think there's any point where ddeb-retriever shouldn't be working, if there's built stuff they should be fetchable
[15:55] <seb128> k, thanks
[15:55] <Laney> also I think Colin mentioned looking at this, you might want to sync up
[15:55] <seb128> need to go for busy !computer time but I will go back later
[15:55] <seb128> Laney, I did, see ~Launchpad if you are interested in the details ;)
[15:55] <Laney> ok


[13:59] <belkinsa> #startmeeting Ubuntu Leadership Meeting
[13:59] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Jan 14 13:59:30 2015 UTC.  The chair is belkinsa. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[13:59] <belkinsa> Who is all for the Ubuntu Leadership Mentoring Planning meeting?
[14:01] <belkinsa> Going once.
[14:01] <belkinsa> Twice.
[14:02] <belkinsa> Thrice.
[14:03] <belkinsa> Anyways the roadmap is on this pad here: http://pad.ubuntu.com/LeadershipMentoringRoadmap
[14:04] <belkinsa> And I think we should use Linux Padawan (http://linuxpadawan.net/) for mentoring.  Since it already there and we can make a sub-team for leadership mentoring there.
[14:06] <belkinsa> If so, we should set up guidelines on how we will be doing this.  And I think we are going to this via mailing-list since no one is here.  Or may the pad.
[14:07] <belkinsa> I will end the meeting here and move this to the mailing list.
[14:07] <belkinsa> #endmeeting
[14:07] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Jan 14 14:07:24 2015 UTC.
[14:07] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-01-14-13.59.moin.txt
[21:59] <Sick_Rimmit> Hello everyone
[21:59] <Riddell> hi Sick_Rimmit
[22:00] <yofel> o/
[22:00] <lordievader> Hey Sick_Rimmit
[22:00]  * Sick_Rimmit waves
[22:00] <Riddell> ping Mamarok, yofel, shadeslayer, ScottK, valorie: kubuntu council meeting for Sick_Rimmit
[22:01] <Riddell> who's all here?
[22:01]  * Mamarok waves
[22:01] <shadeslayer> moi
[22:01]  * ovidiu-florin joins in
[22:01] <ovidiu-florin> Sick_Rimmit: may I recommend that you put here your wiki page link?
[22:01] <Sick_Rimmit> Sure one moment
[22:01] <Riddell> yep, do introduce yourself and show us your wiki page
[22:01] <shadeslayer> if I drop off, give me a minute to reconnect
[22:02] <shadeslayer> I'm running without nm
[22:02] <Sick_Rimmit> I have prepared this page on the Wiki
[22:02] <Sick_Rimmit> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RickTimmis
[22:02] <Sick_Rimmit> So my name is Rick Timmis aka Sick Rimmit
[22:03] <Riddell> "I am a friendly guy" that's a good start, we're a friendly operating system community :)
[22:03] <ovidiu-florin> Kubuntu - "Friendly computing"
[22:04] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: "KDE on LTSP" how well does ltsp work with kde?
[22:04] <Sick_Rimmit> I am most proud of the work I did with Super Tramp
[22:04] <Sick_Rimmit> We ran load tests on that, with the local LUG
[22:04] <Sick_Rimmit> 50 VNC Sessions running KDE
[22:05] <Sick_Rimmit> On a single IBM Xeon server running RedHat 7
[22:05] <Sick_Rimmit> It worked really well
[22:05] <Sick_Rimmit> In production that same server was running 35 KDE Desktops over X ( A la LTSP )
[22:05] <shadeslayer> ooh
[22:06] <Sick_Rimmit> We used Mini ITX boxes for the clients
[22:06] <shadeslayer> Sick_Rimmit: did you blog about it
[22:06] <shadeslayer> also, was /home local or on the IBM?
[22:06] <Sick_Rimmit> The google links will give you the low down
[22:06] <Riddell> I expect this was a while ago
[22:06] <Sick_Rimmit> I was interviewed in the US for that, and also Linux Format too
[22:07] <Sick_Rimmit> Yes 2002
[22:07] <Riddell> back before Kubuntu existed
[22:07] <Riddell> (Kubuntu 10th anniversary this april folks)
[22:07] <Sick_Rimmit> I believe it was the first 100% Open Source Enterprise deployment in the UK
[22:07] <Sick_Rimmit> We ran the whole company on FLOSS
[22:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: \o/ we should throw a parteh
[22:07] <Sick_Rimmit> As I said in the press Lock n Stock from Desktop to Datacentre
[22:08] <shadeslayer> Sick_Rimmit: sweet :D
[22:08] <Riddell> shadeslayer: party is at FOSDEM at the end of the month, I hear some people aren't coming
[22:08] <shadeslayer> but 10th anniversary is in April
[22:08] <Sick_Rimmit> We then deployed a 4 site mixed FAT and LTSP Setup with 40+ workstations
[22:08] <shadeslayer> u rob me of parteh's
[22:08] <Riddell> shadeslayer: rounding errors
[22:08] <Sick_Rimmit> For that implementation we used one of the first versions of Kubuntu Yay!
[22:08] <shadeslayer> You should get those checked
[22:09] <Riddell> ooh excellent
[22:09] <shadeslayer> ^^
[22:09] <Riddell> hi sgclark
[22:09] <Sick_Rimmit> Hi sgclark
[22:09] <shadeslayer> Sick_Rimmit: what do you think we can improve in Kubuntu for the next cycle?
[22:10] <shadeslayer> random thoughts welcome
[22:10] <sgclark> hiyas
[22:10] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: what do you think your more significant and sustained contributions to kubuntu are?
[22:10] <Sick_Rimmit> I feel we need to work on Stability and testing
[22:10] <Sick_Rimmit> Why stability, because
[22:11] <Sick_Rimmit> On the Super Tramp LTSP system, we ran 35 desktops and the server with 100% uptime for 1034 days
[22:11] <Sick_Rimmit> No shutdowns no reboots
[22:11] <Sick_Rimmit> Somewhere I have a screenshot of that
[22:11] <Sick_Rimmit> We don't have that level of stability anymore I don't believe
[22:12] <shadeslayer> Sick_Rimmit: ok, with the CI going, and a weekly ISO with Plasma 5, how do you think we can improve the testing ?
[22:12] <yofel> not really, no. At least not without performance regressions after some time
[22:12] <Sick_Rimmit> My contribution to most significan contribution to Kubuntu is advocay and promotion
[22:12] <Sick_Rimmit> I have been using KDE for 15 years
[22:13] <Sick_Rimmit> Shooting my mouth of about it for about the same
[22:13] <Sick_Rimmit> I had a fling with Gentoo for a while, but it still KDE
[22:13] <Sick_Rimmit> Oh and RedHat, SuSe, then Debian
[22:13] <Sick_Rimmit> Always with KDE
[22:14] <Sick_Rimmit> Unless its a server then  I prefer no desktop
[22:14] <Riddell> this is no bad thing, I've been meaning to do a distro flitation day for a while
[22:14] <Sick_Rimmit> shadeslayer: Oh Boy!
[22:14] <Riddell> sometime I'll find out whatever makes people use arch linux
[22:14] <Sick_Rimmit> I don;t have my head around the Kubuntu-CI thing at all
[22:15] <shadeslayer> I'm sure we can fix that : tl;dr build things from git, so we can complain that d_ed breaks things
[22:15] <Sick_Rimmit> At work we're just setting up a similar system, and I have introduced a few colleagues to Kubuntu-CI
[22:15] <Sick_Rimmit> I gave Proteus_spark a tour via IRC just last week
[22:15] <Riddell> I'm sure sitter would accept payment for consultancy :)
[22:15] <Sick_Rimmit> But I don't have a clue how it's all working
[22:16] <Sick_Rimmit> Well I've been trying to pursuade sgclark in that direction, I think at some point there might be some money on the table
[22:16] <shadeslayer> ( where payment = wine )
[22:16] <Sick_Rimmit> although that is not my decision
[22:17] <sgclark> I have nothing to do with kubuntu-ci, I am working on KDE
[22:17] <Sick_Rimmit> I have a Micro brewery and country winery here at home, so Wine I can do :-)
[22:17] <shadeslayer> no ... wait. .. what have I done /o\
[22:17] <Sick_Rimmit> sgclark: I know, I know but you have setup the CI integration environment to build and test
[22:18] <Sick_Rimmit> which is what we are trying to do at WiFiSPARK
[22:18] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: how would you like to help the kubuntu community in the future?
[22:18] <shadeslayer> Can't have sitter knowing that Sick_Rimmit runs a brewery
[22:18] <Sick_Rimmit> Well...
[22:18] <Sick_Rimmit> I like mucking around in the Kubuntu-Bugs, and now that I've got a little experience with packaging
[22:19] <Sick_Rimmit> I can test, triage, and sometime even fix
[22:19] <yofel> shadeslayer: well, we can give Sick_Rimmit membership so he can bribe harald to do stuff :P
[22:19] <Sick_Rimmit> I like doing that.
[22:19] <Mamarok> mh, microbrewery, what type of beer?
[22:19] <Sick_Rimmit> Right now, I am trying to get Sound rending fixed in Kdenlive
[22:19] <shadeslayer> yofel: he already does stuff, if you give him alcohol, he'll just start ranting about perl and launchpad and python
[22:19] <shadeslayer> instead of doing stuff
[22:19] <Sick_Rimmit> I think I might get that fixed and packaged pretty soon
[22:20] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: indeed, don't give him more :)
[22:20] <yofel> shadeslayer: and here I thought he converted wine into code :O
[22:20] <Sick_Rimmit> Mamarok: Ales and Porters
[22:20] <shadeslayer> yofel: no, wrong, he converts wine into rants :O
[22:20] <Mamarok> Sick_Rimmit: ++ for that :)
[22:20] <Riddell> this feels like it's getting off topic
[22:20] <Riddell> any more questions about kubuntu before we vote?
[22:20]  * shadeslayer is satisfied :D
[22:20]  * Mamarok too
[22:21] <Riddell> council: vote!
[22:21] <yofel> I'm happy with is wiki and what I've seen in the past
[22:21] <Riddell> +1 from me for advocacy love and a desire to help out development
[22:21] <sgclark> +1 FROM ME, THO i AM NOT COUNCIL HEH
[22:22] <Mamarok> ditto, quite impressed with all the work Rick has done so far, and great to hear he is planing to continue :)
[22:22] <sgclark> wow
[22:22] <sgclark> oops
[22:22] <Mamarok> so +1 from me
[22:22] <shadeslayer> +1 from me ,
[22:22] <Riddell> I also had a +1 from ScottK who can't be here due to timezones
[22:22] <yofel> +1 for longtime contributions, doing amazing promotion work and being a really nice and useful fellow overall ;)
[22:22] <Riddell> that's a majority as I count it
[22:22] <Riddell> welcome in Sick_Rimmit
[22:22] <shadeslayer> Awesome and sustained contributions to Kubuntu, I see alot more potential, we should make him responsible for advocacy and stuff :D
[22:22] <shadeslayer> \o/
[22:23] <Sick_Rimmit> Bless you golks, I am really happy. Thank you
[22:23] <Riddell> well first he needs to sort out these posters for fosdem
[22:23] <yofel> valorie gave a +1 on the wiki too
[22:23] <lordievader> Congratulations Sick_Rimmit :D
[22:23] <Mamarok> welcome and contratulations opn membership, Sick_Rimmit
[22:23] <sgclark> congratulations :)
[22:23] <Mamarok> about time, you should have applied years ago :)
[22:23] <shadeslayer> ^^
[22:23] <ovidiu-florin> Welcome Sick_Rimmit
[22:23]  * Sick_Rimmit grins wildly, and feels like dancing
[22:24]  * Mamarok makes some room and gets the music
[22:24] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: added rick-timmis to ~kubuntu-members, you should be able to add any blogs you have to planet ubuntu and your rick-timmis@kubuntu e-mail should forward to whatever you have in launchpad within 24 hours
[22:24] <Riddell> any other business while we're all here?
[22:24] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Most grateful, Thank You
[22:25] <Riddell> I've a good feeling about vivid now that planet 5.2 is coming into shape, but I'm feeling quite overloaded with the packaging
[22:25] <Mamarok> planet? you mean plasma I think :)
[22:25] <shadeslayer> hmm
[22:25] <sgclark> Riddell: miss me ? :)
[22:25] <shadeslayer> I should blog about my Debian CI
[22:25] <Riddell> sgclark: totally
[22:26] <shadeslayer> who wants to be my guinea pig tester btw
[22:26] <shadeslayer> before I release it
[22:26] <Riddell> sgclark: but hopefully you can build armhf tests into kde ci so I don't have to upload calligra 6 times in a day
[22:26] <shadeslayer> heh
[22:26] <sgclark> Riddell: kde ci is starting to come together, hope to have time soon, tho I need to find a paying gig soon..
[22:26] <yofel> maybe I'll have some time later in teh week for plasma, but I'm a bit overloaded with life currently :/
[22:26] <Riddell> hmm, 7th upload failed https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calligra/1:2.8.90-0ubuntu8
[22:27] <sgclark> Riddell: I don't think they even have armhf to build on
[22:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: maybe start cross compiling locally?
[22:27] <Riddell> oh other interesting gossip old kubuntu member jonathan the echidna thomas says on facebook he's working for mitre, so maybe we can get cve numbers from him
[22:27] <shadeslayer> sgclark: cross compilation should work
[22:27] <sgclark> ok
[22:27] <yofel> lets see if qemu can build that
[22:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ah true indeed
[22:27] <shadeslayer> yofel: uh, do you still need qemu even if you have the armhf toolchain?
[22:28] <yofel> yofel: maybe not, but I don't have that installed
[22:28] <yofel> and lets move back to -devel
[22:28] <ovidiu-florin> should we move this back to #kubuntu-devel?
[22:28] <Sick_Rimmit> Thank you everyone..
[22:29] <ovidiu-florin> Greeat to have you Sick_Rimmit
[22:29] <Sick_Rimmit> ovidiu-florin: Thank you
[22:30] <Sick_Rimmit> ovidiu-florin: Are you going to be a FOSDEM ?
[22:30] <ovidiu-florin> Sick_Rimmit: I have to bring your T-shirts don't I?
[22:30] <ovidiu-florin> :P
[22:30] <Sick_Rimmit> ovidiu-florin: Wonderful, then perhaps I can buy you a beer
[22:30] <ovidiu-florin> ;)
[22:31] <ovidiu-florin> see you there
[22:31] <Sick_Rimmit> Yes, I am really looking forward to it
[22:32] <lordievader> Yayy, more KDE people at FOSDEM :)