[16:29] <ader10> I'd like to request something but I don't know where, so I'll ask here. Sorry if this is the wrong place. Would it be possible to add "gaim-xfire" to the repositories?
[16:30] <techbw> cheers guys
[16:31] <crimsun> ader10: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages
[16:33] <ader10> Thank you, crimsun
[16:34] <AnAnt> Hello, I got a problem with network manager, it keeps trying to connect to a network (wether wired or wireless) even after it successfully acquires an IP address
[16:34] <DanaG> TheAsp: look at /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules
[16:34] <DanaG> If it lists things wrong, the easiest fix is just to remove that file.
[16:34] <Prefix> wheres the shared folders thing in hardy?
[16:37] <AnAnt> can someone help me with this problem ?
[16:37] <AnAnt> is it a bug or could there be something wrong in my system ?
[16:37] <AnAnt> on another laptop I don't have that problem
[16:37] <dimitree> help help :) i'm running in failsafe terminal mode after trying to install Realtek ALC888 sound driver :)
[16:38] <dimitree> :)
[16:38] <dimitree> anyone ?
[16:39] <crimsun> dimitree: reinstall linux-ubuntu-modules, alsa-base, alsa-utils, and linux-sound-base
[16:39] <dimitree> wow
[16:39] <crimsun> i.e., sudo aptitude reinstall alsa-base alsa-utils linux-sound-base linux-ubuntu-modules-$(uname -r)
[16:39] <crimsun> and next time, don't clobber the ALSA infrastructure ;)
[16:40] <dimitree> :D i wont ! (trows away surround sound speakers)
[16:40] <dimitree> thank you :)
[16:40] <crimsun> (I'm not sure why (s)he didn't just use PulseAudio to handle the upmixing to surround, but whatever.)
[16:41] <dimitree> god damn it cant copy paste command lol i will write it on a paper i guess >->
[16:41] <AnAnt> dimitree: install gpm
[16:42] <usm> hello
[16:42] <usm> i have upgraded feisty to the gutsy with update-manager, after the reboot there was no sounds at all, then i decided to install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-12-386 , and the sounds now works good, but the system is very Slow
[16:43] <usm> gutsy to hardy i mean
[16:43] <usm> =)
[16:44] <usm> it take me the 3-4minutes  before getting to the desktop..
[16:44] <usm> i have an question
[16:45] <usm> was package linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-12-386 needed to be installed ?
[16:46] <usm> i am going to remove it becouse something is slowing my system..
[16:53] <omar> Can someone help me setup my Bluetooth? please?
[16:55] <Luke> how do I install fonts on 8.04? it seems fonts:/// doesn't exist anymore?
[16:56] <omar> Can someone help me setup my Bluetooth? please?
[16:57] <dimitree> crimsun help :) it didn't fic the problem :[ i get :error while loading shared libraries: libsound.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[16:57] <dimitree> *fix
[16:57] <yoandy> hi, has anyone succeed using b43 with bcm94311 rev 02 on hardy ?
[16:57] <jng> what's up with it omar
[16:58] <omar> jng: I don't know how to get it working on Ubuntu. :)
[16:58] <jng> what are you trying to do with bluetooth?
[16:58] <crimsun> dimitree: sudo aptitude reinstall libasound2
[16:58] <dimitree> ok o-o
[16:58] <crimsun> dimitree: (I think you meant libasound.so.2)
[17:00] <omar> jug: Anything, sending, receiving to and from other cellphones, other Laptops, other devices... etc. ya know..
[17:01] <omar> Sorry, I meant jng. :)
[17:02] <jng> ok... well that stuff just works for me..  so.. do you have system->preferences->bluetooth ?
[17:02] <dimitree> crimsun, it can not find such package :) anyway when i try to install the audio driver it says my C compiler can't create executables
[17:02] <jng> to send stuff to a phone i use gnome-obex-send
[17:03] <omar> jng: Yes! I do have that.
[17:03] <jng> that is good
[17:03] <jng> try: hcitool scan
[17:03] <jng> on the command line
[17:04] <omar> jng:  Is that command for scanning the area for nearby devices?
[17:04] <jng> that's right
[17:05] <omar> jng: Is there any good applications(GUI's) for doing that instead?
[17:05] <jng> dunno..
[17:05] <jng> i use it to get device ids
[17:06] <jng> aptitude install gnome-bluetooth
[17:06] <jng>
[17:06] <jng> is worth doing
[17:06] <jng> will give you gnome-obex-send to transfer files to a phone
[17:06] <omar> jng: I tried that command, it says "Device is not available, no such device."
[17:07] <jng> ... hmm... gnome-obex-send has gone awol...
[17:07] <jng> omar.. i often have to do restart bluetooth eg after suspend
[17:08] <jng> sudo /etc/init.d/bluetooth restart
[17:08] <jng>
[17:08] <omar> uh-huh... okay
[17:08] <Hackel> What is the relationship between the openjdk-6-* packages and icedtea-java7-*, now that the latter are removed from Hardy?
[17:10] <omar> jng: The greatest thing about Ubuntu is that people help people, ya know? So, assuming we don't have any GUI's for Bluetooth yet, making one is not that big fuss ya know. :)
[17:10] <omar> All it needs is a good pinch of experience. :D
[17:11] <usm> will be there resolved the problem with sounds in the official realise of ubuntu..
[17:11] <jng> right.. omar.. i'm a bit puzzled myself at the mo though 'cos i've lost gnome-obex-send.. which i use to whack stuff onto my phonte
[17:11] <crimsun> usm: more detail?
[17:11] <Hackel> usm: Not unless it ships with pulseaudio configured to use dmix by default, the way esd did, which seems unlikely. :/
[17:12] <omar> jng: I installed gnome-bluetooth and still no luck.. weird! ><
[17:12] <usm> crimsun, i have upgarded gutsy to hardy and how i expected, there was sounds problem..
[17:12] <crimsun> usm: what is "sounds problem"?  Be specific, please.
[17:12] <crimsun> Hackel: as I've explained, that breaks.
[17:12] <jng> omar: just found gnome-obex-send dropped.. use: bluetooth-sendto
[17:12] <usm> crimsun, the volume master was not working
[17:13] <usm> i have installed some linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-12-386 and ther sounds start working..
[17:14] <usm> but not sure this was right to install that package..
[17:14] <crimsun> Hackel: currently the only way to make it work is to attempt to grab state for the currently installed version before dist-upgrading to hardy, and that's racy, not to mention certainly not guaranteed to work.
[17:15] <crimsun> dimitree: `sudo aptitude reinstall libasound2' failed?
[17:16] <crimsun> yoandy: it's currently broken in the released kernel; it has been fixed (by reverting the culprit git changeset) in ubuntu-hardy.git.
[17:16] <Hackel> crimsun: Are you referring to making sound work after the upgrade, without restarting?  I just meant in general for non-esd/pulse apps.
[17:16] <crimsun> yoandy: i.e., it's fixed in the final Hardy
[17:16] <crimsun> Hackel: I meant in general.
[17:16] <Konstigt> /title
[17:17] <crimsun> Hackel: (which is trivially extensible to the case where one restarts after a dist-upgrade)
[17:17] <yoandy> ok crimsun, thanks!
[17:19] <Hackel> crimsun: I can't claim to know much about it, I just dislike having to kill pulseaudio all the time because it grabs the sound device, whereas esd did not since it used dmix as default.
[17:19] <crimsun> usm asked about two issues above.  His first issue with long bootup times is likely the udev renaming (cf. /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules)
[17:19] <crimsun> His second issue has a two-part answer:  he needs to provide codec info (cf. the alsa-info.sh script), and he needs to make sure l-u-m is installed
[17:20] <crimsun> Hackel: that's the wrong approach.  Use pasuspender instead.
[17:20] <crimsun> Hackel: e.g., `pasuspender -- skype'
[17:21] <b47619> the cause of issue has to be a failing onboard video card
[17:21] <Hackel> crimsun: Yes I know that's the right approach for using pulseaudio, I'm just stuck in the camp that doesn't see any benefit of pulseaudio over dmix.  I'll deal with it, of course, I just wonder how new users will figure that out.
[17:21] <Konstigt> been away for a bit over a month and after starting my computer and applying all upgrades my sound is gone. is there any major general problem or is it just me?
[17:22] <c-ron> Konstigt: what sound hardware do you have?
[17:22] <Konstigt> integrated ac'97
[17:22] <Konstigt> Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller [8086:24d5] (rev 02)
[17:24] <Hackel> It seems like it should be added to the Hardy release notes that icedtea-java7 has been replaced by openjdk-6 so that people can upgrade themselves (if the openjdk-6 packages won't enforce the upgrade automatically).
[17:24] <omar> jng: I've been looking in my hardware information, but I can't seem to find anything about my Bluetooth device.. 0_0
[17:24] <omar> 0_o
[17:25] <c-ron> Konstigt: does your kernel use the snd-hda-intel module?
[17:25] <jng> omar: did you get hciscan to do anything?
[17:25] <crimsun> c-ron: no, it doesn't.
[17:25] <jng> eg after the bluetooth restart
[17:26] <crimsun> c-ron: an ac'97-based codec uses one of the ac'97 drivers, not the HDA driver.
[17:27] <omar> jng: Nope, still, device not available:  no such device, and yeah, after bluetooth restart.
[17:27] <jng> omar: what you using to inspect the hardware
[17:28] <omar> Menu->System->Preferences->Hardware Information.
[17:28] <jng> hmm... i don't have that :(
[17:29] <nemo> *sigh* gvfs sftp is sooooo buggy
[17:29] <omar> jng: Huh? That's impossible.. 0_o
[17:29] <nemo> buggy buggy buggy
[17:30] <jng> can you right click on it and see what its properties are so i can find out what i am missing
[17:30] <omar> jng: Right click on what?
[17:30] <DanaG> hal-device-manager is gone in hardy.
[17:30] <DanaG> Lame.
[17:31] <jng> the entry in the menu
[17:31] <jng> sorry... what i do to find out what is run by a menu entry is right click, turn it into a launcher and look at the properties..
[17:31] <c-ron> Konstigt: some people have to add an 'options' line to their /etc/modprobe.d/sound file to get their soundcard to work properly
[17:31] <jng> there must be an easier way...
[17:32] <macogw> is anyone else unable to import gpg keys using seahorse?  The import buttons seem to not do anything at all
[17:32] <crimsun> DanaG: it wasn't updated anyhow to work with the new hal.
[17:32] <nemo> after trying 6 times to open a friggen sftp mount and getting it to hang each time in file transfer in some new and silly way, just used scp.
[17:32] <nemo> bleah
[17:33] <omar> jng: Sorry, but I'm still not sure what are you talking about..
[17:33] <crimsun> Konstigt: please be more specific (and verbose) in your audio issue description.
[17:33] <nemo> never thought I'd miss gnomevfs - guess I'll just have to use fuse for now
[17:33] <crimsun> Konstigt: i.e., I don't know what you're talking about that's not working.
[17:33] <Konstigt> crimsun: can't get anything to recognize that I even have a sound card
[17:33] <jng> ok.. don't worry omar... what i wanted to know is what app is launched when you fire up hardware information from the menu
[17:34] <Konstigt> crimsun: but the debuggingsoundcard-wiki is a bit out-of-date now since the switch to pulseaudio so I don't really know how to troubleshoot
[17:34] <jng> i think the best way to find that out is fire up main menu from the same menu
[17:34] <omar> jng: The device manager.
[17:34] <crimsun> Konstigt: download http://hg.alsa-project.org/alsa/raw-file/tip/alsa-info.sh
[17:34] <DanaG> What's changed in HAL to require a new device-manager?
[17:34] <crimsun> Konstigt: then run it.
[17:34] <Konstigt> crimsun: already tried that and got http://pastebin.ca/962259
[17:35] <crimsun> Konstigt: why are you running -386?
[17:35] <crimsun> DanaG: abi
[17:35] <jng> omar: but what is the command that is actually executed?  I'm trying to figure out what package is awol from my system
[17:35] <crimsun> Konstigt: I'm going to guess that you don't have l-u-m installed for -386
[17:36] <vinayy1> hardy boot has become slower than gutsy.
[17:36] <jng> omar.. got it gnome-device-manager
[17:37] <Hackel> Hmm, it seems I am no longer able to view man pages, I just get an empty file.  Has anyone else experienced this?
[17:37] <vinayy1> there seems to be a 30 second pause in between
[17:37] <crimsun> vinayy1: do you have a wifi device?
[17:37] <vinayy1> yes
[17:37] <vinayy1> iwl3495
[17:38] <steph_> Hi everybody. Is there a way to mount /home on a different drive at installation?
[17:38] <vinayy1> sorry, iwp3945
[17:38] <omar> jng: Good! :)
[17:38] <crimsun> vinayy1: try moving /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules somewhere other than /etc/udev/rules.d/
[17:38] <crimsun> vinayy1: also, the iwl and libertas code has been updated, but that won't be in hardy until next week or so
[17:39] <jng> ok that gets me where i can see my bluetooth stuff under the usb adapter
[17:39] <vinayy1> crimsun: my wifi would still work after that right?
[17:39] <jng> omar: doesn't help you though :(
[17:39] <crimsun> vinayy1: yes, you'd need to reboot.  /etc/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules will generate the new rules.
[17:39] <macogw> steph_: the graphical installer should allow it
[17:39] <crimsun> vinayy1: also, that's why I asked to you mv it, not rm it.
[17:40] <DanaG> hal-device-manager still worked fine for me, until I accidentally removed it.
[17:40] <steph_> macogw. If a do another installation, would it be preserved?
[17:40] <vinayy1> crimsun: will try it out.
[17:41] <macogw> steph_: the "manual" option should show all available disks and let you choose which one is /home
[17:41] <macogw> steph_: /home does not get formatted (unless you tell it to)
[17:41] <crimsun> DanaG: it works for some people, but that doesn't preclude that it's not broken.
[17:41] <steph_> macogw; thanks
[17:42] <macogw> any of you use seahorse, or are you all command line ninjas in that regard?
[17:42] <vinayy1> crimsun: will my bootchart.png help analyze this further? I see readahead is taking almost 10 seconds at the very beginning of the boot process.
[17:43] <crimsun> vinayy1: it could, but check those known triggers I mentioned.
[17:43] <crimsun> vinayy1: it's far more probable to be related to one of those two than readahead
[17:43] <Drizzt321> I'm using 8.04 beta, and for some reason in firefox 3b4 I'm not getting any flash audio. any ideas?
[17:43] <DanaG> gnome-device-manager sucks in that it doesn't show names of many things.
[17:44] <DanaG> "Platform Device" "Platform Device" "Platform Device" "Platform Device"
[17:44] <DanaG> "PnP Device"  "PnP Device"  "PnP Device"  "PnP Device"  "PnP Device"
[17:44] <crimsun> Drizzt321: how did you install the Flash plugin?
[17:45] <Drizzt321> crimsun:  I forget, I upgraded from 7.10. the video works just fine though.
[17:45] <crimsun> Drizzt321: then you need to install libflashsupport, too.
[17:45] <Drizzt321> crimsun:  ah, ok. thanks!
[17:45] <Drizzt321> crimsun:  I didn't see that anywhere in the upgrade/release notes though...
[17:46] <crimsun> Drizzt321: because it doesn't cover multiverse.
[17:46] <crimsun> (flashplugin-nonfree is in multiverse)
[17:46] <Drizzt321> crimsun:  ah, ok. it would be nice to have it mentioned in one of the upgrade docs, but I understand your point.
[17:46] <crimsun> (and if you installed the plugin through another method, you're on your own)
[17:47] <DanaG> Oh yeah, do you happen to know what chip the "CA0109" is?
[17:47] <Drizzt321> will I need to restart firefox after installing the package?
[17:47] <crimsun> Drizzt321: you don't need to, but you might do it anyway
[17:48] <Drizzt321> crimsun:  and it works :)    thanks. I did have to restart firefox
[17:49] <crimsun> DanaG: I don't know offhand, but you probably could drive it using -emu10k1
[17:50] <crimsun> DanaG: depends on the codec info, really
[17:51] <DanaG> It does use that; I was just surprised to see the chip itself not being CA#k#
[17:51] <DanaG> And the Windows one uses the Audigy2 drivers, too.
[17:51] <DanaG> I mean, the Windows drivers are that/
[17:52] <crimsun> it doesn't surprise me at all, really.
[17:52] <crimsun> creative has been rebadging all sorts of codecs
[17:52] <crimsun> their consumer line generally sucked in the past half-decade
[17:53] <DanaG> I know I won't be buying Creative again.
[17:53] <jng> anyone got realplayer (specifically bbc radio) working in hardy?
[17:53] <jng> .. i just get nasty crackling when i got to beeb streams
[17:54] <DanaG> Oh yeah, it also doesn't seem to do 24-bit under Linux.
[17:55] <DanaG> I wonder what I should get next time... it'd have to be cardbus or expresscard (depending on the notebook), or USB 2.0.  I'd prefer 24-bit, but some people say it actually doesn't matter that much.
[17:56] <crimsun> DanaG: lack of 24-bit is fairly straightforward to add
[17:56] <crimsun> s/add/correct/
[17:56] <kane77> so what's the advantage of pulse?
[17:56] <crimsun> and no, generally 24-bit isn't a discernable difference
[17:56] <Konstigt> crimsun: I haven't really chosen my kernel version, I just booted the first option..
[17:57] <DanaG> I just don't want Creative anymore.
[17:57] <crimsun> kane77: persistent device naming/availability, ability to migrate streams on-the-fly, ability to control stream volumes, avahi integration, etc., etc.
[17:57] <Konstigt> crimsun: but yes it seems that I have it installed, linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-12-386. I have nvidia restricted driver running OK.
[17:58] <kane77> crimsun, wow.. cool
[17:58] <crimsun> Konstigt: l-r-m != l-u-m
[17:58] <DanaG> I like the C-Media cards; apparently Asus has bought them.
[17:58] <crimsun> Konstigt: I mean linux-ubuntu-modules-$(uname -r), /not/ linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[17:58] <DanaG> Too bad their USB card has only stereo for analog.
[17:58] <Konstigt> crimsun: aha..
[17:59] <crimsun> Konstigt: [ALSA no longer resides in the base linux-image-$(uname -r) but in linux-ubuntu-modules-$(uname -r)]
[17:59] <Konstigt> crimsun: but I have linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-12-386 so that seems so be a good match for my kernel
[17:59] <Konstigt> sorry, wrong paste
[18:00] <Konstigt> crimsun: but OK, you'
[18:00] <kane77> but it just adds one more slider.. now I have 4 that control the volume... alsa - master, PCM, front + pulse - master
[18:00] <Konstigt> crimsun: but OK, you're right. I don't have any ubuntu modules for -386. I will reboot to that kernel instead and make that my default. I have no idea why 386 is the default for me.
[18:00] <Konstigt> crimsun: thanks...
[18:01] <crimsun> Konstigt: because -generic is default, not -386, and for some upgrade reason, -386 resides at the top of your GRUB menu
[18:01] <crimsun> kane77: use pulse - master
[18:02] <kane77> crimsun, but all of them change volume independently
[18:02] <crimsun> kane77: use pavucontrol to control stream volume.  Use pulse - master to control the overall vol
[18:02] <logophobia> hi, wifi is a quirky after I upgraded. Networkmanager seems to work but I seem to have lost the eth1 interface. if I do "sudo ifup eth1" I get a device not found. I have an intel card, ipw3945 driver.
[18:03] <logophobia> cant get wpasupplicant to work because of the missing interface, but networkmanager has no problems
[18:04] <crimsun> logophobia: first, if n-m handles the interfaces, then either the interfaces are commented out or don't exist in interfaces(5)
[18:04] <crimsun> logophobia: second, ensure that the interfaces names haven't changed under you.  See `ip a'.
[18:04] <crimsun> ^ interfaces'
[18:06] <shirish> hi all, I'm trying aptitude to find out about wondershaper but I'm not getting it :(
[18:06] <shirish> aptitude show wondershaper doesn't give anything
[18:06] <shirish> neither does aptitude show shaper
[18:07] <kane77> crimsun, wow I like pavucontrol...
[18:07] <shirish> and this package is there https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wondershaper/
[18:08] <shirish> any ideas guys?
[18:08] <evan_> hey how do i do edit CWD in gconf-editor? apps/CWD/ i cant find CWD
[18:08] <Rukus> hi
[18:09] <Rukus> hi i need help with my wireless. its a bcm4318 on ndiswrapper with hardy beta. i get as far as being able to scan using iwlist and finding my router, but no wireless connection to router, stays at 0% and ifconfig even reports that i have a ip address and etc, iwconfig reports no connection.   what can i do to fix this?
[18:09] <Rukus> i used this tutorial:
[18:09] <Rukus> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=734003
[18:09] <Rukus> inputting a script into my rc.local
[18:09] <Rukus> to make everything work
[18:09] <evan_> i cant find CWD but i do find GWD is that the same?
[18:10] <crimsun> shirish: enable the universe component first
[18:10] <Konstigt> crimsun: ok, on -generic I get sound but now my nvidia graphics card doesnt work
[18:10] <macogw> Rukus: why not use the Linux driver?
[18:11] <Rukus> i couldnt get that working either
[18:11] <Rukus> :(
[18:11] <macogw> oh
[18:11] <macogw> did you get the firmware for it?
[18:11] <crimsun> Konstigt: I hope you didn't remove l-r-m
[18:11] <Rukus> i tried installing it the hardy way, no go. then i tried installing b43-fwcutter using apt-get  (automated) and that wouldnt work
[18:11] <shirish> crimsun: universe should be enabled, how to know if its enabled or not?
[18:12] <macogw> Rukus: wanna try just downloading the firmware and putting it where it goes?
[18:12] <Rukus> i dont know if everything i have done has made a mess or not
[18:12] <HardyOne> shirish, look at /etc/apt/sources.list and make sure there is no # in front of the .deb lines with universe
[18:12] <DanaG> Methinks udev should make rules for wmaster interfaces.
[18:12] <logophobia> crimsun: "ip a" only lists the loopback and eth0 interfaces, there are no eth1 interfaces in the interfaces file, if I add them, wpa_supplicant still can't detect the eth1 interface
[18:12] <Rukus> also, i like the ndiswrapper one better... atleast better than bcm43xx firmware... my range wasnt that great
[18:12] <crimsun> DanaG: ...it does.
[18:13] <macogw> idk how to undo ndiswrapper, but i can tell you that i have the firmware at http://macoafi.googlepages.com/firmware.tar.gz and it goes in /lib/firmware/
[18:13] <Rukus> macogw, i dont even know where to begin or end now.
[18:13] <macogw> its the firmware from the windows driver, so i dont know how that would affect range.  range could be a difference between the older bcm43xx driver and the new b43 one
[18:14] <shirish> HardyOne: there is no # in front of any .deb lines with universe
[18:14] <axisys> I am having trouble removing icedtea-java7-plugin . I get this http://rafb.net/p/J9GXBQ20.html
[18:14] <crimsun> you'll need the newer firmware for b43.  Use jockey, or follow the directions under Users->Download on linuxwireless.org
[18:14] <logophobia> crimsun: also, if I restart the entire networking envir. through init, networkmanager isnt affected, on gutsy it would disconnect/reconnect
[18:14] <Rukus> macogw,  ok... so what do i need to do to purge ndiswrapper? comment out my script, and uninstal ndiswrapper-utils-1.9?
[18:14] <axisys> how do I remove a pkg that is stubborn and does not want to be removed?
[18:15] <Rukus> and un-blacklist bcm43xx?
[18:15] <shirish> axisys: did u try purging it? apt-get purge or aptitude purge
[18:15] <Flannel> axisys: Do what it says, reinstall it first, then remove it
[18:15] <crimsun> shirish: awk '/^deb(.)*universe/' /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:15] <Rukus> crimsun - i dont understand
[18:16] <Rukus> jockey?
[18:16] <crimsun> Rukus: system>administration>hardware drivers
[18:16] <HardyOne> shirish, then universe is ebabled
[18:16] <shirish> crimsun: still no dice, all show up pretty without a * anywhere in universe
[18:16] <crimsun> shirish: I needed the output.
[18:16] <axisys> shirish, Flannel both failed http://rafb.net/p/iDVPPy33.html
[18:16] <Rukus> that doesnt work for me it hard cycles my CPU
[18:17] <Rukus> and wont connect
[18:17] <shirish> crimsun: lemme paste it somewhere
[18:17] <crimsun> Rukus: are you running /current/ hardy?
[18:17] <shirish> !paste
[18:17] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[18:17] <Rukus> fans on laptop go nuts
[18:17] <Rukus> System Information for alkasmolik: CPU: AuthenticAMD AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+	1000.000 MHz, 512 KB Cache RAM: 511 MB HDD: 42 GB OS: GNU/Linux 2.6.24-12-generic Uptime: 12:17:34 up 16 min,  1 user,  load average: 0.03, 0.12, 0.23
[18:17] <crimsun> Rukus: i.e., Beta isn't new enough.
[18:17] <Rukus> errrr
[18:17] <Rukus> ok wait
[18:18] <shirish> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61489/
[18:18] <Rukus> what newer
[18:18] <shirish> HardyOne: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61489/ as well
[18:18] <axisys> shirish, Flannel: any other suggestion?
[18:18] <crimsun> logophobia: pastebin your lspci -nv && lspci -v
[18:18] <Rukus> :/
[18:18] <Rukus> i just upgraded on  the 20th/ thats not the newest
[18:18] <crimsun> Rukus: as in, sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[18:19] <HardyOne> shirish, that looks right. what is it you are trying to do? I came in half way
[18:19] <crimsun> shirish: and now, sudo aptitude update
[18:20] <Rukus> crimsun, to get rid of ndiswrapper and use firmware, uninstall ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 and comment out or delete my script? and i should be ok?
[18:20] <crimsun> Rukus: just don't load ndiswrapper.
[18:20] <shirish> crimsun: HardyOne: I'm looking for a package which is there since september 07, not today
[18:20] <shirish> also I'm fully updated
[18:20] <logophobia> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/d17f270a9
[18:20] <Rukus> crimsun... what do you mean?
[18:21] <crimsun> shirish: well, is it in your apt cache?  (i.e., apt-cache policy wondershaper)
[18:21] <HardyOne> shirish, what package?
[18:21] <shirish> crimsun: HardyOne: the package I'm trying to view is called wondershaper
[18:21] <HardyOne> !info wondershaper
[18:21] <shirish> crimsun: its there in apt-cache
[18:22] <shirish> shirish@Mugglewille:~$ apt-cache policy wondershaper
[18:22] <shirish> wondershaper:
[18:22] <shirish>   Installed: (none)
[18:22] <shirish>   Candidate: 1.1a-4.1
[18:22] <shirish>   Version table:
[18:22] <shirish>      1.1a-4.1 0
[18:22] <shirish>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy/universe Packages
[18:22] <shirish> sorry for above
[18:22] <crimsun> shirish: are you pinning?
[18:22] <HardyOne> shirish, sudo aptitude install wondershaper
[18:22] <shirish> what's pinning?
[18:22] <shirish> HardyOne: that didn't work
[18:22] <shirish> I was first interested in getting aptitude to show me info for that package
[18:23] <shirish> as in aptitude show wondershaper
[18:23] <crimsun> shirish: what command are you using to install it?
[18:23] <shirish> sudo aptitude install wondershaper
[18:23] <crimsun> logophobia: that should be resolved in the next l-b-m, l-u-m, and l uploads
[18:23] <shirish> it throws up a no candidate version thing
[18:24] <crimsun> shirish: were you disconnected from the 'net at some point?
[18:24] <Rukus> crimsun how do i "just not load ndiswrapper" ? i dont know, if i dont know i guess the best way it so uninstall it
[18:24] <Rukus> is to*
[18:24] <crimsun> Rukus: check /etc/modules; make sure it's commented out there.
[18:24] <shirish> crimsun: no, never, why do you ask?
[18:24] <HardyOne> shirish, it didnt work? any errors?
[18:24] <Rukus> ok thanks
[18:24] <crimsun> shirish: aptitude recycles the cache if network resolution fails
[18:25] <shirish> HardyOne: crimsun: now this is strange, now it works , really strange
[18:25] <crimsun> shirish: i.e., you often need to update twice or more if you were disconnected
[18:25] <HardyOne> shirish, well sometimes things need time to work :P
[18:25] <Rukus> well if ndiswrapper wasnt going to load, it should have no problem. its in there 8 times
[18:25] <Konstigt> crimsun: nope i didn't my my lrm is -386 and my kernel is generic now, is that bad? should I re-install the lrm package maybe?
[18:25] <tobi> Hi, i updated from 7.10 to 8.4 and now have problems to get my nvidia cart with the nvidia drivert to work
[18:26] <shirish> crimsun: what do you mean by aptitude recycles the cache if network resolution fails? Any link where i can find more about that bug/discussion ?
[18:26] <crimsun> Konstigt: err, stick with one kernel, please.  :)  You need both l-r-m and l-u-m for whatever kernel you're using.
[18:26] <tobi> has there anything changed?
[18:27] <tobi> the Non-free Linux 2.6.24 modules are installed
[18:28] <shirish> crimsun: what do you mean by aptitude recycles the cache if network resolution fails? Any link where i can find more about that bug/discussion ?
[18:28] <Konstigt> crimsun: yes... but there is no lrm-generic, only -386?
[18:29] <tobi> what is the difference between nvidia-glx, nvidia-glx-lagacy and nvidia-glx-common?
[18:29] <axisys> any one knows how to remove a stubborn pkg? I am trying to remove this java plugin but failing miserably like this http://rafb.net/p/iDVPPy33.html
[18:29] <crimsun> Konstigt: ...yes there is.
[18:29] <crimsun> shirish: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptAuthenticationReliability
[18:30] <shirish> crimsun: thanx, signing off for now ;)
[18:30] <oxigen> hey guys, which package i need to install to get Qt SQL driver?
[18:31] <Rukus> thanks crimsun for all the help and everyone else who made input. i have about 350mb updates to install, so after that is down i will try out that firmware again.   One last question.... do i use the option for hardware drivers found in my hardy menu? and that should work? i hard it wasnt functioning...
[18:31] <crimsun> oxigen: Qt 3 or 4?
[18:31] <Rukus> heard*
[18:31] <oxigen> crimsun: donno, for barcode generating... :S
[18:32] <crimsun> oxigen: so use `apt-cache search qt sql'
[18:32] <oxigen> crimsun: thanks! :)
[18:32] <tobi> oxigen: e.g. libqt-mt-odbc
[18:32] <Rukus> also: do i need to unblacklist  bcm43xx from my # /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist:  ??
[18:33] <oxigen> tobi: huh, where did you find exactly this one!? :)
[18:33] <Rukus> or only b43 if it were there?
[18:33] <tobi> oxigen: I searched for "qt db"
[18:34] <Rukus> ?
[18:34] <tobi> is an Nvidia FX5200 nvidia-glx-legacy or nvidia-glx-new
[18:34] <crimsun> Rukus: leave the blacklist alone.
[18:35] <Rukus> ok. but i added a blacklist to bcm43xx
[18:36] <Rukus> ok deal.
[18:36] <Rukus> its replaced by b43
[18:36] <crimsun> you don't need to; it's already present by default.
[18:36] <Rukus> thanks for all the help
[18:36] <crimsun> # replaced by b43 and ssb.
[18:36] <crimsun> blacklist bcm43xx
[18:36] <Rukus> yah
[18:36] <Rukus> then next is my video. its reporting mesa
[18:37] <Rukus> shouldnt be too difficult
[18:40] <Tuv0k> synaptic is showing residual configs for stuff that no longer exists, how can I clear this?
[18:45] <vinayy1> crimsun: it worked. udevadm's time in bootchart came down to 5 seconds from 30 seconds. thanks a lot.
[18:45] <crimsun> np.
[18:45] <crimsun> I'm working on a migrating script for certain known-affected modules, but it probably won't make it into 8.04.
[18:46] <crimsun> particularly since there's an effective workaround (by removing the file I mentioned)
[18:47] <c-ron> Anyone know why Hardy turns off numlock randomly?
[18:49] <crimsun> err, it wouldn't be randomly.  Programmatically, yes, and perhaps racy, but not randomly.
[18:49] <Tuv0k> crimsun, Hello, old friend. If your not too busy, I know you have the answer I need? Residuals in synaptic will not remove, and I was wonder where synaptic is reading this list from, so I may reset, and or purge the list/dir manually?
[18:50] <crimsun> Tuv0k: 1) make sure you're current; 2) run update several times consecutively
[18:50] <Tuv0k> thats all set
[18:50] <Tuv0k> they were old kernel modules files
[18:50] <Tuv0k> and old kernel configs
[18:51] <Tuv0k> physically they were swampping my /boot
[18:51] <Tuv0k> I removed them manually because synaptic would not
[18:53] <crimsun> Tuv0k: if you've installed into those directories manually, the state is different to synaptic's.  Synaptic will not clear those directories, because a "local admin" has effected such changes.
[18:53] <c-ron> Anyone know why numlock turns itself off?
[18:53] <Tuv0k> they were never installed manually
[18:53] <vinayy1> Tuv0k: to remove config files also use "Mark for complete uninstall"
[18:53] <Tuv0k> they were removed via synaptic
[18:53] <Tuv0k> purged
[18:53] <Tuv0k> config all that
[18:54] <Tuv0k> yet they still sit in residual
[18:54] <crimsun> Tuv0k: not "they" being the packages.  I mean /any/ /manual/ modifications - additions - to them.
[18:54] <Tuv0k> hmm
[18:54] <crimsun> (them->directories)
[18:54] <Tuv0k> IC
[18:54] <crimsun> c-ron: can you be more specific?  When does it occur?
[18:54] <Tuv0k> even before I did that I had the problem, I thought removing the files would clean the synaptic reading of the residuals
[18:55] <Tuv0k> which is why I'm sure I did not hit the rifgt directory
[18:55] <c-ron> crimsun: pseudo-randomly ;)
[18:55] <Tuv0k> point being, synaptic is getting this info from somewhere, and I'd like to knwo where
[18:55] <Tuv0k> I've done this a long time ago, and can't seem to remember how again
[18:55] <Flannel> Tuv0k: from dpkg
[18:56] <Tuv0k> Flannel, expound plz?
[18:56] <Flannel> Tuv0k: dpkg tells synaptic everything it knows.
[18:56] <crimsun> c-ron: you're not being very specific.
[18:57] <Tuv0k> Flannel, is there a cache fifle that synaptic is reading this residual list from?
[18:57] <c-ron> crimsun: It happens when I'm doing very unspecific tasks, like 'using my computer to do stuff'
[18:57] <Flannel> Tuv0k: It reads it from dpkg.  `dpkg -l` will give you a list of all the packags (in their various states) on your computer.
[18:57] <crimsun> c-ron: does it only occur when your active tty is in the X Window System?
[18:58] <Flannel> Tuv0k: what are you ultimately trying to accomplish?
[18:58] <c-ron> crimsun: not sure, but thanks for suggesting a starting point
[18:58] <crimsun> c-ron: well, if it does, that's a known issue against the xorg-server source package.
[18:58] <crimsun> c-ron: if it's the specific bug I'm referring to, it's not specific to NumLock.
[18:58] <vinayy1> Tuv0k: the files are in /var/lib/dpkg. mess with them and your warranty is void.
[18:58] <Tuv0k> Flannel, clear the residual list in synaptic simply
[18:59] <Tuv0k> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=147703
[18:59] <Flannel> Tuv0k: You mean "Old and Local packages" or what?
[18:59] <Tuv0k> just like this guys issue in that thread
[18:59] <Tuv0k> Flannel, no I mean residula configs
[18:59] <c-ron> crimsun: would you happen to have a link to a bug report?
[18:59] <Tuv0k> it has its own list
[19:00] <Flannel> Tuv0k: Those list separation stuff is done by Synaptic, it parses the information it gets from dpkg.  I'd reinstall each package, then apt-get purge them
[19:00] <Flannel> Tuv0k: actually, you can try apt-get purge [package] right now.  No idea if it works without the package being installed or not (like --purge does)
[19:01] <crimsun> c-ron: 194214
[19:07] <Tuv0k> E: linux-backports-modules-2.6.24-5-generic: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1
[19:08] <Tuv0k> thats all I get, and they never remove
[19:08] <Tuv0k> can't reinstall them, because they no longer exist
[19:08] <Tuv0k> even deborphan did not wipe them
[19:08] <c-ron> crimsun: interestingly, i'm affected by that bug, but it doesn't seem to happen with numlock
[19:09] <crimsun> Tuv0k: I take it you've already uninstalled l-i-2.6.24-5-generic?
[19:10] <Tuv0k> yes sir
[19:11] <crimsun> I'm trying to remember if l-b-m triggers an initramfs update
[19:13] <savvas> did anyone else get ##linux spam?
[19:14] <crimsun> Tuv0k: does /var/lib/initramfs-tools/2.6.24-5-generic exist, too?
[19:14] <Tuv0k> yes
[19:15] <Tuv0k> all the old ones!
[19:15] <Tuv0k> I think this maybe it
[19:15] <crimsun> yes, it is
[19:15] <crimsun> I ran across this several months ago
[19:16] <DanaG> Hmm, I can't find anything about ca0109 online.
[19:16] <c-ron> HAHAH
[19:16] <Tuv0k> crimsun, I take it I remove this old files that are showing up in synaptic no?
[19:16] <crimsun> Tuv0k: remove the files in that directory for which linux-image-foo no longer is installed
[19:17] <crimsun> Tuv0k: it's really a bug in initramfs-tools
[19:17] <c-ron> check this bug out: from the terminal in xubuntu: sudo cat /dev/psaux     move the mouse around a bit to get some fun characters, tehn Ctrl+C to end cat.. now try to type a new command
[19:17] <orvokki> Sounds dangerous.
[19:18] <c-ron> hilarously goofy. end terminal and restart it to get back it back to normal.
[19:18] <crimsun> the script isn't able to handle zero-sized files, wich really indicates that there's no existing /boot/initrd.img-foo and thus update-initramfs should not attempt to regenerate an initramfs
[19:18] <crimsun> ^ which
[19:18] <orvokki> c-ron: That is, it should be theoretically possible your mouse triggers an rm -rf / sequence.
[19:18] <orvokki> And that would be run as root...
[19:19] <crimsun> to be robust, that script should verify the existence of /boot/vmlinuz-foo /and/ /boot/initrd.img-foo before attempting an initramfs regeneration
[19:19] <c-ron> orvokki: cat doesn't exectue anything but cat
[19:19] <orvokki> c-ron: Even control codes?
[19:19] <Tuv0k> E: linux-backports-modules-2.6.24-5-generic: subproceE: linux-backports-modules-2.6.24-5-generic: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1ss post-removal script returned error exit status 1
[19:19] <Tuv0k> ugh
[19:20] <Tuv0k> synaptic is still dumbfounded
[19:20] <crimsun> Tuv0k: then you're hitting another issue.
[19:20] <crimsun> Tuv0k: what happens with sudo dpkg -P --force-depends?
[19:20] <orvokki> c-ron: I'd rather change psaux to be readable by a normal user and then cat it. ;)
[19:21] <c-ron> orvokki: you could do that, but i don't like to change permissions in /dev
[19:22] <Tuv0k> dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove 2.6.24-2-generic which isn't installed.
[19:22] <K93> Could anyone help me with an fsck error?  I get a fsck.ext3: Unable to resolved 'UUID=...' trying to check my file system
[19:22] <orvokki> c-ron: Isn't it reset on boot anyway?
[19:22] <DanaG> Oh hey, is there any way I could try my Audigy2 with the ca0106 driver?
[19:23] <eddyMul> any of you running hardy inside kvm inside gutsy?
[19:23] <DanaG> The emu10k1 driver has some bugs: "Error writing to DAC" a bunch of times, and noisy Stereo-Mix capture.
[19:26] <Tuv0k> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/d6acd385b
[19:28] <crimsun> Tuv0k: you'll have to recreate all those directories in /lib/modules/
[19:28] <crimsun> yes, it's messy.
[19:28] <Tuv0k> :0
[19:28]  * Tuv0k weeps
[19:29] <crimsun> eh, it's not that tough
[19:29]  * Tuv0k incessantly
[19:29] <crimsun> it's one mkdir command
[19:29] <Tuv0k> ok
[19:29] <Tuv0k> if thats what it takes
[19:42] <GuyFromHell> Could someone kindly go to a terminal and type in `python -c "import deskbar.core.Utils"` and tell me if you get an error message please :)
[19:48] <warrend> hi
[19:48] <warrend> can someone look at this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/188764
[19:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188764 in usplash "[hardy]640x480 usplash on all computers" [High,Confirmed]
[19:54] <Tuv0k> crimsun, HOTDIGGITY you just made my day!
[19:54] <Tuv0k> thx bro!
[19:55]  * DanaG hates how his VBE modes don't contain his native resolution.
[20:01] <tgelter> for the last little while, boot-time messages have been printed with extra space everywhere...what I mean is, after about 1/2 of them printed, they start to wander away from the left-hand side of the screen and are printed in the middle, off to the right, etc.
[20:03] <AirBender> anyone using lm-sensors ?  I can't see the Fan RPM sensors in Hardy... quite strange...
[20:04] <mohamed_> hello all i installed nvidia driver more than once and i fail to make it running well and ta end i get mismatch drivers version can anyone help me solve this, this is part from dmesg .. http://phpfi.com/306125
[20:06] <pvandewyngaerde> i had some troubles with my nvidia driver, i removed splash from the grub menu
[20:06] <Zvezdichko> people, does ubuntu change automatically the time tonight, or it's a bios setting
[20:07] <birmaan>  auto
[20:07] <Turski> mohamed_: remove old driver and install new one again
[20:08] <Turski> or if you prefer old one, remove new and reinstall old
[20:08] <mohamed_> Turski, how to remove old one, i think i removed them but it seem not
[20:08] <Turski> did you use installers?
[20:08] <mohamed_> none of OLD or new working  :)
[20:08] <Turski> nvidia's
[20:08] <mohamed_> i use one from ubuntu repository
[20:09] <Turski> oh...
[20:09] <mohamed_> the other from nvidia site
[20:09] <Turski> ah...
[20:09] <mohamed_> at last i use envyng :)
[20:09] <Turski> i think you should have used wiki page ;)
[20:09] <Turski> omg
[20:10] <mohamed_> and remove it also using envyng
[20:10] <Turski> then i'm out of this case ;)
[20:10] <mohamed_> currently i have three vga cards i hope i get any one from them working
[20:10] <Turski> envy should be killed and burned
[20:10] <Turski> and then be burned again
[20:10] <Turski> and buried
[20:10] <mohamed_> nvidia 7100, ATI x600, ATI x1200 builtin
[20:11] <m11> mohamed_: go for 7100 , best bet
[20:11] <Turski> would have been easiest way to use restricted manager
[20:12] <m11> yep
[20:12] <mohamed_> ok, then 7100 but can someone tell me how to remove all nvidia related then start clean ?
[20:12] <Turski> remove all of those wich you installed
[20:12] <DanaG> Wait, X600 has open-source drivers.  Are they not good?
[20:12] <mohamed_> i make this remove and install clean one then get mismatch drivers
[20:12] <Turski> thath one wich you installed from installer you can remove by installer with switch --uninstall
[20:13] <mohamed_> Turski, one of them i install it this way ...
[20:13] <mohamed_> sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.12-pkg1.run
[20:13] <mohamed_> how to remove this ?
[20:14] <Turski> sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.12-pkg1.run --uninstall
[20:14] <mohamed_> i try now
[20:16] <mohamed_> <-- restart
[20:18] <demogorgon15> hello
[20:19] <Turski> hi
[20:19] <demogorgon15> when the 8.04 beta is complete will there be a simple upgrade to stable version or will i have to do a download / reinstall?
[20:19] <ethana2> you can always upgrade
[20:19] <crdlb> !final
[20:19] <ubotu> If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Hardy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[20:20] <demogorgon15> ah ok, thank you
[20:21] <mohamed_> re
[20:22] <AirBender> lm-sensors not showing the FAN speeds... anyone with the same issue?
[20:22] <mohamed_> now i thin i hope that everything related to nvidia removed
[20:23] <mohamed_> vga make me write anything :)
[20:25] <mohamed_> then the better to install  nvidia driver from repository or from drivers i download from nvidia ?
[20:25] <birmaan> hiddenwolf,gaat niet
[20:29] <Turski> mohamed_: restricted manager
[20:29] <mohamed_> thx, Turski i do now
[20:29] <iositd> i'm having trouble running vbox on hardy using host only networking. It will not boot when enabling the host only adapter
[20:32] <Synergy> Could someone please help me? I am currenty using Windows, and Dual-booting Hardy Heron. However, to use any distrubution of linux I need to download and install ndiswrapper for my wireless network card. However, being very new to linux, I am not sure how I would go about installing ndiswrapper. I downloaded thier latest stable version.
[20:33] <HardyOne> !ndiswrapper
[20:33] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[20:33] <HardyOne> Synergy, follow the instructions on the above link it should walk you through it
[20:34] <Synergy> Alright.
[20:35] <Synergy> See. Im just not sure how to install it. The docs are saying things like:   sudo apt-get install build-essential dh-make gcc-3.4 fakeroot linux-headers-`uname -r`
[20:35] <Synergy> I have no clue what that means.
[20:37] <riskbreaker> hi guys. i have a gateway mt6840. the touch pad on this has a nice little separated area on the right where its supposed to scroll stuff. that works. unfortunately, part of the touchpad that's not supposed to scroll also scrolls. how can i fix this?
[20:38] <RichW> How do I change the mouse pointer/cursor?
[20:40] <NTAuthority> huh, hardy has X.org 7.3, I thought the newest was 7.4?
[20:41] <RichW> NTAuthority, No its .3
[20:41] <Flannel> NTAuthority: Nope, current is 7.3 according to their website
[20:41] <RichW> 7.4 is currently under development, and is scheduled to be released in May 2008.
[20:41] <NTAuthority> ah, probably got confused with xserver-xorg-core package versions :)
[20:42] <axisys> anyone can help me with this http://rafb.net/p/iDVPPy33.html ?
[20:45] <gotgnu> I have no keyboard when I go to install what should I do to fix it ?
[20:46] <AtomicSpark> i recently installed the new 8.04 beta server cd on a hp netserver 4something and i had that "doesn't go past loading local boot scripts" issue. now i've had this on my notebook for 7.10 alt and 8.04 both desktop too. is this a issue with the installer? it can't be drivers if this happens on more then one machine, especially one that doesn't use GUI.
[20:47] <riskbreaker> were all the touchpad configuration programs removed from hardy? except for gsynaptic that is
[20:48] <gotgnu> and I have no legacy bios support so that won't
[20:48] <riskbreaker> it seems like it, which is a shame because gsynaptic is not useful for anything.
[20:48] <gotgnu> work
[20:49] <NTAuthority> gotgnu: without USB support in the BIOS, you should get USB access working after the initrd loads usb-hid stuff
[20:49] <gotgnu> NTAuthority: if I am dual booting I can get to the other system
[20:50] <NTAuthority> gotgnu: so you DO have usb support in your BIOS, just not disableable... ;-)
[20:50] <gotgnu> NTAuthority: yes it has always worked
[20:51] <gotgnu> but now with both ubuntu hsrdy and foresight linux it does not
[20:51] <gotgnu> hardy*
[20:52] <NTAuthority> gotgnu: weird, something wrong with usb-hid drivers, should not be possible :|
[20:52]  * DanaG just uses xorg.conf directly.
[20:52] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/xorg.conf
[20:52] <DanaG> Lookie at all the cool stuff there.
[20:53] <gotgnu> I hope this is not a new trend for linux distros
[20:53] <DanaG> Oh, and evdev has been "broken" also.
[20:53] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/173833
[20:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173833 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev "evdev mouse fails on hardy: cannot open input pEvdev" [Medium,Confirmed]
[21:00] <clarezoe> what will happen if I remove gnome-core and gnome-desktop-environment
[21:01] <gotgnu> NTAuthority:  so I guess there is nothing I can do ?
[21:01] <Flannel> clarezoe: They're metapackages, so not much of anything
[21:02] <NTAuthority> gotgnu: check out any log stuff about usb-hid in the kernel logs, which should still be strange -- usb HID is really important
[21:03] <clarezoe> Flannel, so if I remove them, can I still have desktop environment??
[21:03] <Flannel> clarezoe: yes
[21:03] <clarezoe> Flannel, thanks
[21:04] <Flannel> clarezoe: Is there any reason you're using gnome-desktop-environment instead of ubuntu-desktop?
[21:05] <clarezoe> Flannel, I didn't install it by myself, it might be some dependency, I'm not sure. I'm trying to uninstall nautilus and it says those packages will be removed automatically
[21:05] <Flannel> clarezoe: Interesting.  Well, yeah, removing nautilus should remove those, but its no cause for alarm.
[21:07] <clarezoe> Flannel, actually, gnome-backgrounds gnome-core gnome-desktop-environment nautilus-cd-burner nautilus-sendto ubuntu-desktop are removed
[21:07] <Flannel> Ah, there's ubuntu-desktop.  Yeah, those alllook normal to be required to be removed
[21:08] <clarezoe> Flannel, no harm for my desktop, right?
[21:09] <Flannel> clarezoe: right (except the lack of nautilus)
[21:10] <clarezoe> Flannel, that's good, I don't like nautilus actually, it eats too much my memory, I use pcmanfm instead ^_^
[21:12] <jack|Helium>  I'm having an odd issue in hardy beta. I just compiled a custom kernel (my laptop is older, and I'm trying to minimize unneeded features, etc. Plus I wanted to try tuxonice), and the output .deb is > 500 MB is size. I installed filelight and discovered that when installed, the 500 MB is almost entirely taken up by the modules directory (/lib/modules...). Does anyone know why the modules dir is so big? I need to get it down be
[21:12] <jack|Helium> cause I only have a 10 GB disk... Are there really 500 MB of modules in there? Did I do some config wrong?
[21:14] <thegotogeek> Could someone help me get my S3 Chrome Graphics Card Driver to install in Gutsy Gibbons
[21:14] <evan__> hey what does this error mean?? .: 4: gnome-autogen.sh: not found
[21:15] <thegotogeek> evan
[21:15] <thegotogeek> what version of ubuntu are you in
[21:15] <thegotogeek> ?
[21:15] <evan__> the newest
[21:15] <evan__> why?
[21:15] <evan__> hardy heron
[21:16] <thegotogeek> So whats the latest Version?
[21:16] <jack|Helium> thegotogeek: if you're using gutsy, probably you should ask in the regular ubuntu channel...
[21:16] <TheInfinity> thegotogeek: this is a beta channel
[21:16] <thegotogeek> Oh well they told me in the Normal Channel to come here.
[21:16] <TheInfinity> so if you use the stable verstion -> #ubuntu
[21:16] <TheInfinity> if you use hardy you are right here
[21:17] <jack|Helium> while there are people around: has anyone here compiled their own kernel on hardy?
[21:17] <jack|Helium> I did, and it came out with >500 MB of modules
[21:17] <Hustle> I read that Firefox 3 Beta 4 is now the default browser for Ubuntu 8.04 Beta. The final stable version of Ubuntu will be released in April 2008, but the stable version of Firefox 3 will be released later this year. Will Firefox in Beta version be in the final release of Ubunutu 8?
[21:18] <jack|Helium> heh, I was kindof wondering that too...
[21:18] <evan__> but none know how i can fox my error?
[21:19] <jack|Helium> evan__: you probably need to give more details
[21:19] <jack|Helium> evan__: what you were doing, what else was happening, what programs were running, etc...
[21:21] <evan__> jack|Helium, i did from this site http://code.google.com/p/gnome2-globalmenu/wiki/BuildFromScratch?updated=BuildFromScratch&ts=1204258474 this command --> ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr/local
[21:22] <riskbreaker> so this new mac80211 stack... broke just about everything didn't it
[21:22] <riskbreaker> i have a 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02)
[21:22] <riskbreaker> and wireless does not work
[21:24] <tic^> riskbreaker,  i have that network card built in on my laptop. i have wireless running now as we type here.
[21:24] <jack|Helium> evan__: I can't really help you with that. It's possible that the code from svn has a bug, but I dont really know
[21:24] <sourcemaker> is there a medibuntu repository for hardy?
[21:25] <evan__> jack|Helium, no im missing develop ment packages
[21:25] <evan__> jack|Helium, i installed gnome-common and now i got further
[21:25] <HardyOne> sourcemaker, no use the gutsy
[21:26] <jack|Helium> evan__: ahh, ok
[21:26] <jack|Helium> HardyOne: are you sure, I thought there was...
[21:26] <evan__> but now ive another error :P gtk-doc.m4 not found do you know what package i need for that?
[21:26] <jack|Helium> evan__: http://code.google.com/p/gnome2-globalmenu/wiki/InstallingonUbuntu
[21:26] <jack|Helium> did you try that?
[21:26] <HardyOne> jack|Helium, NOT THAT i KNOW OF
[21:26] <HardyOne> errrrr
[21:26] <daedra> what's the best way to go about testing hardy?
[21:26] <sourcemaker> can I enable the pre-released and unsupported repository or is it realy unsafe to do that?
[21:26] <daedra> install EVERYTHING and see what breaks?
[21:27] <HardyOne> daedra, install it
[21:27] <HardyOne> daedra, everything?
[21:27] <jack|Helium> HardyOne: fun with caps lock. Possible the most inconveniently placed key on the keyboard
[21:27] <HardyOne> jack|Helium, yup it is
[21:27] <FunnyLookinHat> sudo aptitude install *      lol
[21:27] <daedra> it's on the home row for dvoraks sake!
[21:28] <riskbreaker> tic^: did you have to do aynthing?
[21:28] <daedra> i guess my job is done... same things work/don't work as in gutsy
[21:29] <HardyOne> daedra, you should receive your testers compentsation check in 6 to 8 weeks provided you clicked the box when you installed/upgraded
[21:29] <daedra> ^_^
[21:30] <HardyOne> :P
[21:30] <tic^> riskbreaker, no just installed hardy on a clean drive, got all the updates, left click on network manager icon, click on connect to new network and entered my routers info.
[21:30] <daedra> clicked it 3 times
[21:30] <tic^> work for me
[21:30] <tic^> worked
[21:30] <jack|Helium> yeah, there is a hardy repo for medibuntu, but I dont think it's any different from the gutsy one
[21:30] <riskbreaker> so you haveto do it manually
[21:30] <jack|Helium> I knew I should have clicked the box...
[21:30] <tic^> connect to my netwrok yes, ir is a hidden network
[21:31] <jack|Helium> anyone know why my custom compiled kernel came out with >500 MB of modules?
[21:31]  * orvokki suspects that you enabled everything via menuconfig
[21:32] <jack|Helium> I could check, but I doubt it. I took the config from the working kernel and made changes from there
[21:32] <jack|Helium> could it have happened when I applied the tuxonice patch?
[21:32] <riskbreaker> it doesnt work here. where should i look for error messages
[21:33] <riskbreaker> it doesnt work here. i get some pretty bad stuff in dmesg. gimme a sec to pastebin it
[21:34] <jast-mxm> has anyone tried running vmware in hardy?
[21:34] <root____2>
[21:35] <riskbreaker> http://pastebin.com/m3083d58b
[21:35] <TheInfinity> jast-mxm: i tried vmware tools
[21:35] <Ramunas> hello, I have a problem, I have set "vlc %s" as my default media app, and gnome-open still opens up totem
[21:35] <jast-mxm> well if i want to run a guest os would i have much luck?
[21:35] <foobat> How do I force a fsck of root filesystem on boot?
[21:36] <nemo> foobat: er. there's that file you add in /
[21:36] <nemo> ferget the name
[21:36] <nemo> one-sec
[21:36] <TheInfinity> jast-mxm: there are some unofficial patches for kernel 2.6.24
[21:36] <TheInfinity> dont remember the name ...
[21:36] <jast-mxm> ok, i was wondering because i saw a thread about gutsy having it in the repos
[21:36] <jast-mxm> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=183209
[21:36] <nemo> forcefsk
[21:37] <nemo> touch /forcefsk
[21:37] <foobat> nemo: Thanks.
[21:37] <nemo> er
[21:37] <nemo> forcefsck
[21:37] <nemo> sorry :)
[21:37] <Dr_willis> foobat,  thers a file you create.    like nemo  said. :) i think theres another way also..
[21:37] <nemo> Dr_willis: can be passed as a kernel param too I think, but I never remember that one
[21:37] <nemo> Dr_willis: and booting in singleuser mode should do it too
[21:38] <nemo> the fsk instead of fsck was due to JFGI
[21:38] <jast-mxm> so vmware server will be what i want to use to install the guest os, and will i be able to run it from there as well?
[21:39] <TheInfinity> jast-mxm: if you bring some time to test it, to debug etc?
[21:39] <Dr_willis> i install vmware server on my guest and servers. :) since on the guest box's i often want to test live cd's :)
[21:39] <riskbreaker> anyone know what to do about those error messages? they're pretty heinous... http://pastebin.com/m3083d58b
[21:40] <Dr_willis> riskbreaker,  give a little summary?  Not everyone in the channel has a web browser.
[21:41] <ryanov> Anyone else using hplip with hardy?
[21:41] <ryanov> There would sort of appear to be a missing file.
[21:42] <riskbreaker> #[ 2588.051088] wlan0: associate with AP 00:09:5b:d8:3f:da [ 2588.053428] wlan0: invalid aid value 0; bits 15:14 not set [ 2588.053438] wlan0: RX AssocResp from 00:09:5b:d8:3f:da (capab=0x5 status=18 aid=0)  [ 2588.053443] wlan0: AP denied association (code=18)
[21:43] <jast-mxm> theinfinity: i have plenty of time
[21:43] <jast-mxm> theinfinity: i'm downloading vmware server right now
[21:44] <mohamed_> nvidia driver now installed , but still refresh rate very low, is there a method to adjust refresh rate well ?
[21:46] <guerby> hi, I've upgraded my laptop from gutsy to hardy beta, is there a way to clean menus & toolbar to get the default hardy menus & toolbars (instead of the old ones from gutsy)?
[21:48] <riskbreaker> seems to have to do with this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/190968
[21:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190968 in linux "[hardy] [regression] iwl3945 doesn't associate on kernel 2.6.24-7" [Medium,Triaged]
[21:48] <Roey> jussi01:  heya
[21:48] <riskbreaker> the fix currently seems to deal with downgrading to kernel #5
[21:49] <riskbreaker> how would i do that
[21:49] <Roey> jussi01:  regarding the Intel ICH9 issue, you mentioned it'd be fixed by the release of Hardy
[21:49] <riskbreaker> 2.6.24-5 i mean
[21:49] <Roey> jussi01:  I'm thinking maybe it was fixed and all I have to do is reboot (I always run apt-get dist0upgrade, heeh)
[21:50] <jussi01> Roey: as far as i understand it was fixed, but now you say that im not certain
[21:50] <jast-mxm> wait...why are you on 2.6.24-7?
[21:50] <jast-mxm> i'm on 12
[21:50] <riskbreaker> i'm not on 7
[21:50] <jast-mxm> oh ok
[21:50] <riskbreaker> but evidently, it's not fixed.
[21:50] <jast-mxm> in 12?
[21:51] <riskbreaker> i have the identical problem...
[21:51] <riskbreaker> and the bug report isnt labeled "Solved"
[21:51] <riskbreaker> so i'd like to try downgrading - but i dont know how
[21:54] <ryanov> riskbreaker: Associating with what?
[21:54] <riskbreaker> access point?
[21:54] <ryanov> riskbreaker: What kind?
[21:54] <ryanov> riskbreaker: Why aren't you running -12?
[21:55] <ryanov> The reason I question the need for you to do that is I am currently typing to you over a 3945.
[21:55] <riskbreaker> i am running 12
[21:55] <riskbreaker> it dstill doesnt seem to be working
[21:56] <riskbreaker> i mean ou can see my dmesg in that pastebin i posted up there
[21:57] <Roey> jussi01:  I have the card connected to my receiver via coax digital out
[21:57] <Roey> jussi01:  ordinarily on my previous system I could set the digital out to just mirror all PCM output
[21:57] <Roey> jussi01:  but I don't see that I have any control of IEC598 here at all
[21:57] <Roey> jussi01:  alsamixer lists it, but I don't see that I can effect it in any way
[21:58] <ryanov> Hmm.
[21:58] <ryanov> Well, you can certainly try downgrading.
[21:58] <ryanov> I belive it involves specifying the version number when doing aptitude install.
[21:58] <riskbreaker> if you dont mind me asking, what laptop are you running
[21:58] <riskbreaker> im on a gateway mt6840
[21:59] <ryanov> Dell Latitude D620
[22:00] <nemo> riskbreaker: intel wireless card?
[22:00] <mdke> hi. My sound has disappeared in hardy. Any ideas on how to start finding out how to fix it?
[22:00] <riskbreaker> nemo: yup
[22:00] <tic^> toshiba satellite here with 3945 working
[22:00] <nemo> mdke: try switching your sound sink from auto to alsa or something?
[22:00] <nemo> tic^: similar laptop, not working
[22:00] <nemo> iwl3945
[22:00] <nemo> http://pastebin.ca/960388 <- my output
[22:01] <riskbreaker> its a shame. everything else just works(m)
[22:01] <nemo> not same as riskbreaker, but also pretty broken
[22:01] <riskbreaker> (tm)*
[22:01] <nemo> this new wireless core in kernel is pretty shaky
[22:01] <riskbreaker> yeah
[22:01] <nemo> I'd switch back to ipw3945 if it existed for 2.6.24
[22:01] <riskbreaker> this is actually my girlfriend's laptop
[22:01] <riskbreaker> it's like the peeeerfect linux laptop - BUT NO WIRELESS for mysterious reasons
[22:01] <nemo> on my to-do list is to try building it by hand
[22:01] <riskbreaker> my dell inspiron 1501 isn't working with wireless either
[22:01] <nemo> also intel?
[22:01] <riskbreaker> actually it connects but i get like 3kb/sec through it, which wasn't true in gutsy
[22:01] <riskbreaker> no broadcom
[22:02] <nemo> oh. interesting
[22:02] <ryanov> Well, riskbreaker, you could certainly go get the package on packages.ubuntu.com, and then install it manually.
[22:02] <ryanov> I think there is a way to do it better than that, but I can't figure it out right now.
[22:02] <nemo> ryanov: what packages?
[22:02] <nemo> ryanov: switching to an older kernel?
[22:02] <ryanov> linux-image-2.6.24-5-generic I think is what he wanted.
[22:02] <tic^> riskbreaker, you have wpa or wpa2 selected in router?
[22:02] <mdke> nemo: none of them seem to work
[22:02] <riskbreaker> tic^: router is unsecured
[22:03] <Roey> hi again.
[22:03] <riskbreaker> for now
[22:03] <nemo> mdke: your soundcard *is* detected right?
[22:03] <tic^> riskbreaker, broadcsting ssid also?
[22:03] <Roey>  I have a Realtek ALC888 sound chip, and ALSAMixer sees it, but I'm experiencing difficulty getting sound to come out of the SPDIF coax out
[22:03] <riskbreaker> tic^: yes.
[22:03] <Roey> can anyone help me?
[22:03] <mdke> nemo: yes
[22:03] <mdke> nemo: sound worked with the beta until I upgraded overnight
[22:04] <nemo> mdke: dunno. pastebin the usual logs? *shrug*
[22:04] <ryanov> True, I have not tried an unsecured AP.
[22:04] <ryanov> Mine is WEP128.
[22:04] <ryanov> Other end is hermesap.
[22:04] <mdke> nemo: which are the usual logs?
[22:05] <nemo> mdke: dmesg, Xorg, syslog, xsession errors.
[22:06] <nemo> you know.
[22:06] <nemo> any place something might be complaining
[22:06] <nemo> and of course STDERR/STDOUT for any app that might make sound - like, trying to play totem from a gnome-terminal to see what it says
[22:06] <nemo> (those would probably be in ~/.xsession-errors though
[22:06] <nemo> )
[22:07] <nemo> riskbreaker: join me on the intel wireless chat chan
[22:07] <nemo> we can bombard them with logs until someone notices :)
[22:07] <jturk> I've got a reproducible crash but can't seem to figure out who it'll belong to
[22:07] <nemo> riskbreaker: #ipw2100
[22:08] <jturk> Hardy, FF3b4, Twitterfox 1.5.3, with twitterfox open, switching away from FF then back requires a hard reboot.. cpu usage goes to 100% immediately then system won't respond not even to ctrl-alt-bksp
[22:09] <mdke> nemo: I don't see anything obviously audio related. No worries, I was just curious in case there was a known problem with audio. I'll wait and see if it resolves itself with a few upgrades
[22:09] <nemo> works fine here, and I updated like 2h ago :)
[22:09] <mdke> nemo: k
[22:11] <dubby> hey anyone im trying to mount an ntfs file system and its giving me an error on hardy i have not seen before, using ntfs-3g it says cannot mount because it is a read-only file system
[22:11] <dubby> i never came across this in gutsy
[22:12] <ryanov> How are you mounting it?
[22:12] <dubby> sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdc1 /media/mount
[22:12] <dubby> and tryed a combination of -o force
[22:13] <ryanov> You could try -orw on there. <shrug>
[22:13] <ryanov> I'm not sure I've ever used NTFS-3g
[22:13] <AaronMT> Is there an existing bug with network manager that causes B43-fwcutter not to display wireless waypoints?
[22:15] <riskbreaker> yeah nemo there's no one in that chat.
[22:15] <riskbreaker> made a new pastebin though
[22:15] <riskbreaker>  http://pastebin.com/m26fba3cc
[22:16] <bicyclis1> dubby could it be that the filesystem has errors on it ? That is what happens to me when i can't mount an ntfs filesystem
[22:16] <crimsun> rencore_: be more specific, please.
[22:16] <bicyclis1> first have to repair it via either windows or at least a vm
[22:17] <rencore_> crimsun, when i try and boot into hardy i get a kernal panic error saying that the filesystem doesnt match up with the kernel
[22:17] <rencore_> thats after i updated this morning
[22:17] <crimsun> rencore_: huh?  Do you have a digital photo or pastebin of the initramfs error?
[22:17] <rencore_> uhh one sec lemme get my lappy
[22:18] <Roey> hi crimsun
[22:18] <crimsun> hi Roey
[22:19] <Roey> crimsun, I have a Realtek ALC888 sound chip, and ALSAMixer sees it, but I'm experiencing difficulty getting sound to come out of the SPDIF coax out
[22:19] <Roey> couldja help me?
[22:19] <crimsun> plug:spdif and plug:iec958 don't work?
[22:19] <Roey> crimsun:  for what?
[22:19] <Roey> wher ewould I put that?
[22:19] <Roey> crimsun:  /etc/alsa.conf ?
[22:20] <rencore_> ok here is what i get when i boot into recovery
[22:20] <rencore_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61514/
[22:20] <crimsun> Roey: no, on the cli, e.g., `aplay -Dplug:spdif /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav'
[22:21] <Roey> ah, one sec
[22:22] <Roey> crimsun:  hmm,. none
[22:22] <Roey> crimsun:  I don't hear any sound
[22:22] <Roey> mayeb it's the connection witht the receiver
[22:22] <crimsun> Roey: are your mixer elements' levels set appropriately?
[22:24] <Hustle> I read that Firefox 3 Beta 4 is now the default browser for Ubuntu 8.04 Beta. The final stable version of Ubuntu will be released in April 2008, but the stable version of Firefox 3 will be released later this year. Will Firefox in Beta version be in the final release of Ubunutu 8?
[22:24] <ryanov> Sounds like, in that case.
[22:25] <ryanov> It's not the default browser, though...
[22:25] <ryanov> It's the version of Firefox that is included.
[22:25] <ryanov> Well, wait, I actually can't speak for GNOME
[22:25] <ryanov> KDE's default is Konqueror.
[22:26] <rencore_> crimsun, any ideas?
[22:26] <Artimus> Hustle: There was a Gimp RC in Gutsy for quite a while.  Not much of a difference.
[22:26] <Hustle> Firefox 3 Beta 4
[22:26] <Hustle> Firefox 3 Beta 4 replaces Firefox 2 as the default browser, bringing much better system integration including GTK2 form buttons and common dialogs. and icon theming that matches the system.
[22:27] <Hustle> hmm
[22:27] <crimsun> rencore_: sec, I'm busy ATM
[22:27] <riskbreaker> while im here. i like Firefox 3, but i like the way the windows version's back/forward buttons look
[22:27] <riskbreaker> anyway to get those on here?
[22:28] <crimsun> rencore_: are you using enciphered root on LVM or anything along those lines?
[22:28] <dubbydubby> hey it was due to corrupt file system, not linux thanx to those who answered me
[22:29] <guerby> hi, I've upgraded my laptop from gutsy to hardy beta, is there a way to clean menus & toolbar to get the default hardy menus & toolbars (instead of the old ones from gutsy)?
[22:29] <rencore_> crimsun, i dunno
[22:29] <rencore_> crimsun, prolly not
[22:30] <riskbreaker> by the way
[22:30] <crimsun> rencore_: if you have a desktop cd handy, reboot into it and regenerate hardy's initramfs
[22:30] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I figured out how to get surround in pulseaudio.
[22:30] <riskbreaker> whoever suggested going to packages.ubuntu.com for the old kernel
[22:30] <riskbreaker> its not there...
[22:30] <riskbreaker> ...
[22:30] <DanaG> I had to set it to default to 6 channels.
[22:31] <DanaG> Unfortunately, that also renders me unable to play on my speakers _without- upmixing.
[22:31] <soto> How do I list LVM groups and the partitions they use?
[22:31] <crimsun> riskbreaker: use launchpad.net, not packages.ubuntu.com
[22:32] <crimsun> riskbreaker: (technically they're archived on launchpadlibrarian.net)
[22:32] <riskbreaker> any further directions you can give?
[22:32] <AaronMT> Prior to 8.04 launch, will the release include OO 2.4?
[22:32] <crimsun> riskbreaker: well, if you can ask a more precise question - perhaps
[22:33] <riskbreaker> https://launchpad.net/linux
[22:33] <riskbreaker> from there how do i get to a deb package of 2.6.24-5
[22:33] <crimsun> riskbreaker: for which arch?
[22:34] <riskbreaker> 386
[22:35] <crimsun> riskbreaker: so you're using -generic?
[22:35] <riskbreaker> yup
[22:35] <riskbreaker> what's the difference, by the way?
[22:36] <crimsun> riskbreaker: the arch I asked for doesn't really tell me much.  I needed to know which package you used.
[22:36] <riskbreaker> ah
[22:36] <rencore_> crimsun, that did the trick thanks
[22:37] <crimsun> rencore_: np
[22:39] <crimsun> riskbreaker: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/2.6.24-5.8/+build/498469
[22:39] <crimsun> riskbreaker: remove "edge." if you're not in the LP beta group
[22:39] <riskbreaker> thanks!
[22:40] <riskbreaker> lp beta...?
[22:40] <crimsun> it'll be self-evident if you need to remove "beta." from the URL
[22:40] <riskbreaker> well the url worked.
[22:40] <Roey> crimsun:  I checked with alsamixer....it /seeems/ ok... I don't know how I can map IEC958 to output PCM, though, as with my old card
[22:40] <Roey> here, I don't seem to have any options with it
[22:41] <crimsun> Roey: start by running the alsa-info.sh script.
[22:41] <riskbreaker> but, crimsun: how do i get a package of this
[22:41] <Roey> crimsun:  ah, rightright
[22:42] <crimsun> riskbreaker: choose the appropriate package name on the left side
[22:42] <sourcemaker> what's the right package for flash support mozilla?
[22:42] <crimsun> sourcemaker: flashplugin-nonfree
[22:42] <sourcemaker> crimsun: thanks
[22:42] <crimsun> np
[22:42] <riskbreaker> so i'll use dpkg on that and then reboot - sound about right?
[22:43] <Roey> crimsun:  http://pastebin.ca/962648
[22:43] <tanner> i hate saturdays
[22:43] <Roey> :)
[22:43] <riskbreaker> wtf saturday's the best day of the week
[22:43] <tanner> not when there isnt jack on tv to watch and i've exhausted my movie supply
[22:44] <riskbreaker> tanner: you win this round.
[22:44] <Roey> tanner:  I can certainly identify with you on "there isn't jack on TV to watch"
[22:44] <crimsun> sudo -k
[22:44] <crimsun> err, sorry
[22:44] <tanner> :D
[22:44] <Roey> tanner:  80% of TV at any given moment is trash
[22:44] <Roey> tanner:  and commercials
[22:44] <Roey> tanner:  B-budget sci-fi channel crud
[22:44] <riskbreaker> crimsun: just install it and reboot? do i have to select it somewhere else?
[22:45] <Roey> tanner:  I usually turn it to Animal Planet
[22:45] <tanner> well, most of the "tv" i watch is downloaded the day after it airs ;)
[22:45] <Roey> tanner:  ah :)
[22:45] <Roey> tanner:  see, I dont' have patience to watch a full episode
[22:45] <Roey> of antyhign
[22:45] <crimsun> riskbreaker: err, I had assumed you were familiar with that procedure if you're trawling for older kernel packages.
[22:45] <riskbreaker> i am downgrading because of a problem with my wifi driver
[22:46] <Roey> crimsun:  sudo -k?
[22:46] <crimsun> riskbreaker: you need at least linux-image-2.6.24-5-generic and possibly linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-5-generic
[22:46] <tanner> not too many great shows on, especially this time of year, but a few worth watching, and of course ones that are good repeated a million times, such as House, or Scrubs or South Park and Family Guy and Futurama, etc etc. the Riches is a decent show, outside that, everything else sucks at the moment :(
[22:46] <crimsun> riskbreaker: after that, you need to ensure that your bootloader is updated properly (which should be handled automatically if you haven't made any modifications)
[22:46] <Roey> tanner:  aye :)
[22:47] <Roey> tanner:  your first name is Tanner?  My co-worker named his son Tanner, too
[22:47] <Roey> his 8-year old son
[22:47] <riskbreaker> restricted-modules isn't on that page you linked to me. d'oh
[22:47] <tanner> yeah, i got my name before it was popular 20 years ago ;)
[22:47] <Roey> :)
[22:47] <Roey> you're 20
[22:47] <Roey> ?
[22:47] <tanner> indeed
[22:47] <Roey> <-- 27
[22:47] <Roey> cool
[22:47] <crimsun> riskbreaker: ...it's a different source package.
[22:48] <crimsun> riskbreaker: i.e., linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24
[22:48]  * tanner is currently rewatching the part of the movie "Gladiator" he missed last night cause he was stood up at 5am in the park :(
[22:49] <thompa> lots of updates but I still got 2 major problems: usb devices on one box, atheros on note
[22:49] <thompa> Is it the kernel maybe?
[22:49] <gluer> hey how do i rip those new DVD's that wont read properly? what app do i use in hardy? just hired some dvd's last night
[22:49] <crimsun> thompa: impossible to tell without further detail.
[22:50] <nickrud> !piracy | gluer
[22:50] <ubotu> gluer: piracy discussion and other questionably legal practices are not welcome in the Ubuntu channels. Please take this discussion elsewhere or abstain from it altogether. This includes linking to pirated software, music and video. Also see !guidelines and !o4o
[22:50] <gluer> lol
[22:50] <DanaG> rip ≢ pirate
[22:50] <tanner> gluer: i dont believe any open source package has the ability to rip them just yet, however Windows software does exist
[22:50] <nickrud> DanaG he hired them, not bought them
[22:50] <thompa> gluer: i used dvd rip or something
[22:50] <DanaG> Hired?
[22:50] <thompa> gluer: search in add remove dvd
[22:50] <nickrud> rented
[22:50] <DanaG> aah.
[22:51] <gluer> we say hired in australia
[22:51] <DanaG> I didn't see that.
[22:51] <tanner> i hired some DVDs
[22:51] <nickrud> gluer so, please refrain
[22:51] <gluer> yeh
[22:51] <DanaG> aah.
[22:51] <thompa> crimsun: laptop is still booting, here my walkman wont mount
[22:51] <tanner> they replay this one movie as many times as i command
[22:51] <tanner> hell i can even have them only play a given scene if i so choose!
[22:52] <thompa> crimsun: on the latwst 386 no such device, but on 64 upgraded from alpha yes
[22:52] <gluer> well when i hire something, its mine until the time i have to give it back, what i choose to do with it is up to me
[22:52] <gluer> lol
[22:52] <thompa> crimsun: i can add it to fstab but ..
[22:52] <crimsun> thompa: if it's detected at all, it's not a kernel issue
[22:53] <thompa> crimsun: then what about acer_acpi
[22:53] <crimsun> thompa: ...what about it?
[22:53] <thompa> crimsun: its what broke
[22:53] <thompa> crimsun: maybe you can help, what is the new name for it in the kernel?
[22:53] <crimsun> thompa: what does it have to do with hal, gnome-mount, and usb mass storage?
[22:54] <thompa> crimsun: on the notebook i can build madwifi on atheros device, until latest upgrade
[22:54] <thompa> crimsun: the restricted drivers is the only thing new i notice
[22:55] <crimsun> thompa: please enumerate all the issues, in one sentence, that you feel originate in the kernel.
[22:57] <Roey> crimsun:  http://pastebin.ca/962648
[22:57] <thompa> thompa: since last kernel upgrade there are some device changes, and atheros on acer 5520  issue was resolved by adding acpi_kernel for wireless, well since then I can neither build it or get it to comeup
[22:58] <thompa> ark5 is one, why is it coming up with different names depending on version
[22:58] <thompa> so im clueless
[22:58] <riskbreaker> crimsun: i can't find linux-restricted-modules... even the launchpad search returns no results
[22:58] <tanner> this movie is so gory, its wonderful =)
[22:59] <crimsun> riskbreaker: you can't find the linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 source package as I noted above?
[22:59] <thompa> crimsun: I can try backports, maybe acer_acpi  that works is there
[23:00] <crimsun> thompa: are you implying that acer_acpi as distributed in 12.22 neither loads nor works?
[23:00] <thompa> if i can still find the post it says acer_acpi being backported
[23:01] <thompa> crimsun: there is one acer_acpi patch on madwifi for these acer types
[23:02] <thompa> crimsun: but that i cant build, and the acer_acpi i used from google code is stopped dev
[23:02] <riskbreaker> i went to edge.launchpad.net and typed linux-restricted-modules in the search bar and no results
[23:03] <thompa> crimsun: acer_acpi patch or new wireless, also effects windows driver.
[23:04] <crimsun> riskbreaker: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/<IP_ADDRESS>-5.16/+build/498718
[23:04] <thompa> I also found that the acer_acpi patch affects the soft switch for wireless and therin starts my problem again
[23:06] <thompa> !madwifi
[23:06] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[23:06] <crimsun> thompa: you should being applying the patch against linux-source-2.6.24
[23:07] <crimsun> (where linux-source-2.6.24 is the name of the binary package that you'd install)
[23:07] <riskbreaker> k let me give this a shot. thanks for your help
[23:08] <thompa> crimsun: that what i got 2.6.24-12, it works in one or two versions before that, wont build
[23:08] <crimsun> thompa: then pastebin the compile error
[23:08] <soto> How do I abandon the installation of partially installed packages?
[23:09] <thompa> crimsun: ok, im going to update first
[23:09] <soto> (unconfigured packages)
[23:09] <Jaymac> Can anyone load help.ubuntu.com
[23:09] <thompa> crimsun: maybe resticted stuff coming in
[23:09] <_dan_> hi guys, i installed hardy oday and now i have this weird problem, i can not single click anymore, every click i do is a double click, does anyone have a solution for that?
[23:09] <thompa> *modules
[23:10] <Jaymac> _dan_: maybe in nautilus preferences you have set one-click open?
[23:10] <Jaymac> _dan_: Go to Places > Home
[23:10] <Jaymac> _dan_: and then Edit > Preferences... Click the bahaviour tab.. and see if Single Click to Open Items is checked
[23:11] <thompa> crimsun: im in luck http://code.google.com/p/aceracpi/
[23:11] <thompa> there is now 0.11.2
[23:12] <_dan_> its not that i open files with one click its like evry cick is a double click, when browsing in gftp or clicking on window title it shades window up
[23:13] <thompa> crimsun: i can probably install it from this new version, but its a downgrade and atheros is listed and working in hardware drivers window
[23:14] <thompa> crimsun: i saw some bugs files and i am too stupid to fix it, so I can just use the code
[23:15] <poseidon> I installed flashplugin-nonfree, however flash doesn't seem to work for me in firefox (or my other browsers)
[23:16] <SpartanII117> what does not working look like?
[23:16] <thompa> crimsun: debian packages discontinued, ther
[23:17] <thompa> crimsun: the guy making it for ubuntu was having some trouble with the kernel
[23:18] <jaffarkelshac> can anyone get iinto shell tty1-6 ctr+alt+f2 does not work
[23:18] <Turski> err?
[23:19] <crimsun> jaffarkelshac: if you're referring to the "blank/can't read tty" issue, it's fixed in ubuntu-hardy.git.
[23:19] <poseidon> SpartanII117, it tells me that it is missing the plugin
[23:19] <SpartanII117>  jaffarkelshac: yes, they all work fine here, what kind of graphics card and what driver and version are you using?
[23:20] <jaffarkelshac> i believe is a via chrome9
[23:20] <jaffarkelshac> its on my laptop
[23:21] <soto> Anybody have trouble installing hal update?
[23:21] <jaffarkelshac> my other 2 problems, my mouse pointer keeps going invisible behind certain tabs and menus and my login res is too high, i can barely see the login. but it gets to normal when i login. i am having it log me in automatically to avoid it
[23:21] <SpartanII117> posieidon: do you have lib flash support and have you restarted?
[23:21] <salty-horse> anyone else using xchat 2.8.4 seeing a "+" prefixing all private messages?
[23:22] <poseidon> SpartanII117, restarted:yes, what is flash lib support?
[23:22] <poseidon> SpartanII117, I just did sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[23:23] <SpartanII117> and did it pull in libflashsupport?
[23:24]  * tanner loves this movie :D
[23:24] <SpartanII117> jaffarkelshac: what GFX card (ati, intel, nvidia) do you have
[23:24] <jaffarkelshac> Via
[23:24] <tanner> voodoo!
[23:25] <SpartanII117> and the driver in xorg.conf is chrome 9?
[23:26] <SpartanII117> do you have the "xserver-xorg-video-via" package installed?
[23:26] <jaffarkelshac> my laptop is the amilo li1705. this is my xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntu.com/6208/
[23:27] <jaffarkelshac> i tried that, no real options come up except for mouse keyboard and its done.
[23:28] <SpartanII117> try setting your driver to vesa and see if that fixes it
[23:28] <jaffarkelshac> i know its via chrome9 coz i had a screen res on gutsy and i got someone elses xorg with the same laptop only and edited in the driver and other and it work. i got 1200x800
[23:28] <poseidon> SpartanII117, how do I install that?
[23:29] <SpartanII117> it's already installed, you just set a line under the identifier that says Driver        "vesa"
[23:29] <poseidon> SpartanII117, apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-via said the newest version is installed
[23:31] <Stormx2> Flash movies only play for 2 seconds. I haven't had this problem in years, so I don't know how to fix it. Any suggestions?
[23:31] <heartsblood> Does the version of compiz in hardy still crash while 3d apps are running?
[23:32] <crdlb> compiz can handle that fine, it's your drivers that may not :)
[23:32] <heartsblood> not sure I follow
[23:33] <heartsblood> The version in gutsy will only run full screen 3d apps for about 15 minutes before it forces it to windowed mode and locks up the rest of the UI.
[23:33] <SpartanII117> posiedon, you just use apt-get install libflashsupport
[23:37] <heartsblood> is wiki.ubuntu.com down?
[23:37] <Osax> hi all
[23:37] <Osax> I have a Dell Latitude D520. When using the Live 8.04 CD, I can't use wired/wireless network
[23:38] <Osax> Network Manager shows me the wireless networks available but can't connect to any (encrypted or not)
[23:39] <Osax> same goes to wired, I get an IP from dhcp but it i can't even ping the gateway
[23:39] <Osax> my eth0 is broadcom and wifi is intel3945. please help
[23:41] <noelferreira> i am using amd64 and ATI Xpress 200 M with compiz running WITHOUT XGL server. I have this problek: with totem or smplayer i only can see video in fullscreen. using mplayer with -vo xv option i only see video if it is not fullscreen. any reported bug about this?
[23:41] <poseidon> SpartanII117, it says that it already has the latest version of libflashsuport
[23:42] <KalEl> hi, how can i set a standby time for my monitor? `xset q` shows shows "Standby: 0    Suspend: 0    Off: 0"
[23:42] <SpartanII117> ok, beond that i cant really help except to ask if you've restarted?
[23:43] <poseidon> KalEl, system->pref->screensaver?
[23:43] <poseidon> SpartanII117, yep
[23:44] <KalEl> i've turned screensaver off from there, but in power management i've said Put display to sleep when inactive for 15 minutes
[23:44] <edwardxp> help! i deleted my /etc/group :((
[23:44] <SpartanII117> poseidon: sorry then
[23:45] <edwardxp> what can i do?
[23:45] <_dan_> when upgrading from gutsy to hardy, self defined nautilus-actions wont work anymore, cant find a way to get them to work
[23:45] <soto> How do I recreate /var/cache/apt/srcpkgcache.bin?
[23:45] <_dan_> anyone?
[23:47] <poseidon> So does anyone else know how I can get flash to work in firefox?
[23:48] <poseidon> SpartanII117, np, thanks for your help :)
[23:49] <poseidon> quicktime videos seem to work just fine
[23:49] <edwardxp> what should i do when i delete my /etc/group ?
[23:51] <blueyed> Is network broken for other after resuming from hibernation since a few days? I suspect it's because of the fix for bug 162654..
[23:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 162654 in pm-utils "networkmanager (0.6.5-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>) needs to be restarted manually after suspend using pm-utils, while functioning correctly using acpi" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162654
[23:51] <blueyed> s/other/others/
[23:51] <crimsun> it works fine here
[23:52] <blueyed> On a desktop system?
[23:52] <blueyed> I need to "sudo invoke-rc.d networking restart" to make it work.
[23:52] <crimsun> blueyed: two laptops (Pentium 3 and Pentium D)
[23:55] <blueyed> testing..