[02:07] <ubptgbot> <F C> Artificial Intelligence of a virtual assistant for Ubuntu Touch written in C ++
 @F C [Artificial Intelligence of a virtual assistant for Ubuntu Touch written in C ++], Sounds like a good idea, have you uploaded it on your personal GitHub or similar?
[02:16] <ubptgbot> <F C> Not at the moment, but I'm testing it on a Nexus 5
 you're referring to Mycroft?
[02:22] <ubptgbot> <F C> Not my assistant is based on the Google assistant
 why do you keep deleting your messages F ?
 @wayneTBT [Hi folks, can I open an ovpn file on UT?], no not currently, you can however manually edit settings via the vpn editor app in the open store
[04:01] <ubptgbot> Hermann Kirchdorfer was added by: Hermann Kirchdorfer
 Hi everyone!
 Thanks a lot UBports team for keeping up the great work!
 & this awesome community
 yes thank you I've been using ubports on my nexus 5 for a long time
 it is great
 Would Uadblock be compatible with the legacy browser's web engine, if the app were to be backported to Vivid?
 uAdblock modifies the `/etc/hosts` file which means it afffects everything running on the phone that connects to the internet. … Or in short: yes it would also work in the legacy browser of vivid.
 Could I apply the patch to the filemanually rather than have to backport the app?
 [Edit] Could I apply the patch to the file manually rather than have to backport the app?
 Why are you using vivid?
 I use Xenial on my Pro 5 (stable daily driver) and on my MX4 (devel device). But I have kept my M10 to Vivid for the time being. Why?
 Well, saying this without wanting to ruffle any feathers, I don't think the Xenial experience is quite compelling enough for me to want to upgrade all of my devices to it. For example, if you compare the legacy browser to Morph, I think Morph introduced several regressions and frustrations. I say that in full knowledge that it confe
[10:30] <ubptgbot> rs more web security, and I accept the risk with legacy browser.
 Also, the Libertine experience isn't quite as good on Xenial in several ways. Libertine works best on the go on a tablet rather than a phone, so it makes sense to keep it as functional as possible.
 When those bugs have been patched, when Morph is up to par and when a couple of other apps match the Vivid experience, then I will be happy to upgrade.
 I have a checklist in Talaan about the gaps that need to be closed. I should update it to see how close we're getting.
 I definitely understand you, libertine/xmir is definitely more usable in vivid … and there are indeed notable issues in morph that isn't in oxide
 libertine currently has two showstoppers for me: it opens every gui item in a new window, and it has a portrait/landscape problem.  … the new window thing can be tamed: https://forums.ubports.com/post/12957 … but so far i haven't seen improvement with the portrait/landscape input problem: https://github.com/ubports/libertine/issues/13
 Right. Like VLC's menus are partially blocked from view. Among other things this means there is no way to set up SDL-powered video output, therefore VLC can't play videos on Xenial. I filed a bug report weeks ago but I don't think it has had any attention to date.
 How can I switch the onscreen keyboard to colemak? I have found 2 menus claiming to change the layout and one doesn't have alternative layouts
 i think you probably found the menus for the physical keyboard
 Ah that would make sense
[11:58] <ubptgbot> TheDragonn was added by: TheDragonn
 Wow teleports is nice
 What is the best way to move to a new UBports device? My E4.5 is slowly dying.
 What is the current state of Ubuntu touch notifications?
 @TuxThePenguin [What is the current state of Ubuntu touch notifications?], They work xD
 @TartanSpartan [Could I apply the patch to the file manually rather than have to backport the ap …], yeah, just edit the hosts file
 https://www.putorius.net/block-unwanted-advertisements-on.html
 @TuxThePenguin [How can I switch the onscreen keyboard to colemak? I have found 2 menus claiming …], there isn't such a layout for that. one would need to create a new layout for keyboard component, or add a feature to have multiple different layouts for each language somehow
 @DC7IA [What is the best way to move to a new UBports device? My E4.5 is slowly dying.], (Could I just copy /home/phablet/* ?)
 @DC7IA [(Could I just copy /home/phablet/* ?)], tar'ing /home/phablet would make sense
 @fredldotme [tar'ing /home/phablet would make sense], How would I make sure nothing is writing there..?
 @mateosalta [yeah, just edit the hosts file], Are there likely to be lots of differences between the file on a Xenial Pro 5 and a Vivid M10?
 (besides the relevant Uadblock stuff of course)
 @TartanSpartan [Are there likely to be lots of differences between the file on a Xenial Pro 5 an …], no
 and well you just need to append stuff to the end of the file, not modify anything already there, i guess
 @TartanSpartan [Well, saying this without wanting to ruffle any feathers, I don't think the Xeni …], I guess you mean QtWebEngine vs Oxide here, as Morph itself I think doesn't really regress vs webbrowser-app
 without nougat tree cant we build ubt?
 @thedenomparkour [without nougat tree cant we build ubt?], It's needed for Halium building right now yes. Oreo/Pie aren't usable yet. Please direct questions about Halium to https://t.me/halium as well. Thanks :)
 already asked no response
 please be patient :)
 ok
 @dohbee [I guess you mean QtWebEngine vs Oxide here, as Morph itself I think doesn't real …], Yes I know, but the user experience is negatively affected either way.
 Question: if mobile Firefox was ported to UT, that would be in no way reliant on QtWebEngine, correct?
 tab preview, header scroll up, text selection
 but the thing not crashing on video is worth all that missing 😄
 there is a vivaldi build for arm, always wondered what it would take to run that
 it happened before jumping to xenial afaik
 newer Qt was also in ubports 1504 images as well; and that was also back in the time when all the unit tests for most everything was getting disabled in ubports builds
 so while oxide might have been affected, just blaming it outright doesn't make sense
 QtWebEngine is definitely not better than Oxide was when it was properly maintained and tested. which is why we have so many regressions there right now
 anyway, long road ahead and all that. we have plenty of things to fix/improve
 🙂
[17:07] <ubptgbot> sausagii was added by: sausagii
 Hi there, … can anybody tell me about  the latest  devices  working with Ubuntu Touch?  … So far, I only read about the "promoted devices" on the website. Nexus 5 is pretty old isnn't it? Any tips or further information? … Thanks.
[17:14] <ubptgbot> erickporto86 was added by: erickporto86
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 @sausagii [Hi there, … can anybody tell me about  the latest  devices  working with Ubuntu T …], PinePhone and Librem 5 should have UT support towards end of this year or beginning of 2020.  OnePlus One is a year more recent alternative to the Nexus 5 that works very well to UT.  If you can find a Meizu Pro 5 they are the most recent o
[17:57] <ubptgbot> f the supported phones and have the best integrated hardware experience in my opinion.
 @sausagii [Hi there, … can anybody tell me about  the latest  devices  working with Ubuntu T …], [Edit] PinePhone and Librem 5 should have UT support towards end of this year or beginning of 2020.  OnePlus One is a year more recent alternative to the Nexus 5 that works very well with UT.  If you can find a Meizu Pro 5 they are the most
[17:58] <ubptgbot>  recent of the supported phones and have the best integrated hardware experience in my opinion.
 @sausagii [Hi there, … can anybody tell me about  the latest  devices  working with Ubuntu T …], This is the current supported devices list https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
 Hi, thanks for the information. Seems that the Meizu Pro 5 is rather hard to find ... … From the list apparently the Nexus 5 works best. Is that true?
 why do people think age of device matters, if the OS works? only reasons age of device would really matters is if we required 64-bit SoCs, or if you must have radio chips that still get firmware fixes from mfgs (which honestly, is not terribly likely for most things anyway).
 @dohbee there are some possible reasons, like general availability or battery life
 those are also issues with newer devices too
 but most of it are psychological reasons
 yes, it was mostly a rhetorical question :P
 and well, fairphone 2 is also technically the newest currently supported device
 @dohbee [QtWebEngine is definitely not better than Oxide was when it was properly maintai …], i wish we got to version 1.23 - i think they were implementing chromecast in it?
 @mateosalta [i wish we got to version 1.23 - i think they were implementing chromecast in it?], i don't recall that
 @dohbee [why do people think age of device matters, if the OS works? only reasons age of …], Why does age of the device matter to some people?  First - as mentioned it is a good indication of availability of units in good shape (e.g. battery life, cosmetics, buttons functioning correctly).  Next it is an indication of features - e.g. f
[18:38] <ubptgbot> aster CPU, more RAM, more storage, better display, better camera, USB-C connection instead of Micro, rapid charging.  In my experience direct experience in terms of desired usage the OnePlus One beat out the Nexus 5 (with the exception of the OPO's problems with camera zoom and flash), and the Meizu Pro 5 beats out both (with the exception of not g
[18:38] <ubptgbot> etting 4G - but for me HDSPA and 3G have proven to be very close to being as fast)  - which DOES correlate to device age.
 @dohbee [why do people think age of device matters, if the OS works? only reasons age of …], [Edit] Why does age of the device matter to some people?  First - as mentioned it is a good indication of availability of units in good shape (e.g. battery life, cosmetics, buttons functioning correctly).  Next it is an indication of features -
[18:38] <ubptgbot>  e.g. faster CPU, more RAM, more storage, better display, better camera, USB-C connection instead of Micro, rapid charging.  In my direct experience in terms of desired usage the OnePlus One beat out the Nexus 5 (with the exception of the OPO's problems with camera zoom and flash), and the Meizu Pro 5 beats out both (with the exception of not getti
[18:38] <ubptgbot> ng 4G - but for me HDSPA and 3G have proven to be very close to being as fast)  - which DOES correlate to device age.
 ask a rhetorical question, get rhetorical answers, i guess
 @dohbee [and well, fairphone 2 is also technically the newest currently supported device], noted!  It and the BQ stuff are the devices that I have no direct experience with - so forgot to mention it.
 @dohbee [ask a rhetorical question, get rhetorical answers, i guess], or - be careful of what you ask for.   :)  Perhaps <rhetorical> </rhetorical> tags would have helped.
 @sausagii [Hi, thanks for the information. Seems that the Meizu Pro 5 is rather hard to fin …], Nexus 5 is a solid device for UT.  OnePlus One has the advanages over it of more storage space, faster CPU, more RAM, larger display, and better video playback.  OPO's disadvantages are that the camera zoom and flash are currently not functi
[18:42] <ubptgbot> oning due to a difficult to fix bug.
 @sausagii [Hi, thanks for the information. Seems that the Meizu Pro 5 is rather hard to fin …], [Edit] Nexus 5 is a solid device for UT.  OnePlus One has the advantages over it of more storage space, faster CPU, more RAM, larger display, and better video playback.  OPO's disadvantages are that the camera zoom and flash are currently no
[18:42] <ubptgbot> t functioning due to a difficult to fix bug.
 It all depends on what you want to do with a device. There are always differences in hardware , therefore the initial question. Otherwise I am not against older hardware , on the contrary: old school stuff often offers more security when customizing it. … If on the Nexus 5 it works flawless/stable I'll probably go for that one.
 if you want a newer device, help work on ports :)
 Hi folks, did any of you succeed gettin discord working?
 @dohbee [i don't recall that], hm, maybe not. there was some new feature i was looking for on the next two releases though.. maybe web push notifications?
[18:47] <ubptgbot> AzelGT was added by: AzelGT
 @mateosalta [hm, maybe not. there was some new feature i was looking for on the next two rele …], there was going to be media-hub integration iirc, but i don't recall anything beyond that. i don't think web notifications was in there. but doesn't really matter any more :)
 @TuxThePenguin [What is the current state of Ubuntu touch notifications?], you need to add your Ubuntu One account information (or create an account) in order to get notifications to work for Teleports.   Just go to System Settings -> Accounts -> Add Account
[19:57] <ubptgbot> Juliana Stewart was added by: Juliana Stewart
 @nocomp [Hi folks, did any of you succeed gettin discord working?], there was an open source project for a client, so far that lacks a maintainer
 @nocomp [Hi folks, did any of you succeed gettin discord working?], [Edit] there was an open source project for a client, so far that lacks a proper maintainer
 personally i have not been successfull to even get a build
 @dohbee [there was going to be media-hub integration iirc, but i don't recall anything be …], ah, that was it fixed media hub
 the others must have been dreams 😆
 ah so media hub wasn't fixed in oxide either
 Thxxxx
 @Fuseteam [ah so media hub wasn't fixed in oxide either], i think it was, just not in a version that was shipped on the phone yet
 Any recent to expect running up soon?
 Recent/ recent phone
 @nocomp [Any recent to expect running up soon?], yes, PinePhone https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/
 @nocomp [Any recent to expect running up soon?], and likely in 2020 - Librem 5 - https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/
 Pinephone s hardware is not very exciting, 1+1 is better no?
 Well it's inexpensive.
 then use a 1+1?
 Yep should be, cause it looks like sensors that nobody is using anymore
 Inexpensive and it supports display out which I'm massively excited about tbh
 I have my 1+1 bit i would prefer more recent phone
 there are other devices being ported via halium project too
 find a device there and help with the port
 If i yad the skills i would
 No doubts on that
 There are two more with potential to be good devices! … https://www.fxtec.com/pro1/
 and: … https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/cosmo-communicator/x/17213740#/
 if you can follow the instructions to get it flashed, then you can test and report issues; and you can of course also probably give money to the developers working on the ports. they need food/coffee/beer too
 let's not start listing off devices which we personally think it would be nice to have ports for
 the group would be a neverending stream of links to devices we can't currently support
 I agree
 It s going the right direction
 Huawei should step in
 They make great phones
 @nocomp [Pinephone s hardware is not very exciting, 1+1 is better no?], as an owner of both a OnePlus One and Meizu Pro 5 - I agree that PinePhone's specs aren't all that necessasirily exciting.  However - for those wanting a brand new phone that should offer ability to send to an external display, as well as offer a first step to a de
[20:49] <ubptgbot> vice using a non-Android firmware base - then PinePhone makes a nice option - and if successful could lead to a PinePhone 2 with more enticing feature specs.
 Would be awesome to have thz huawei camera on an up phone
 Agree @TotalSonic
 @nocomp [Would be awesome to have thz huawei camera on an up phone], any Huawei products would be very difficult to port due to their recent policies regarding unlocking their bootloaders
 yeah! Sorry! …  But I won't post anymore!
 @dohbee [let's not start listing off devices which we personally think it would be nice t …], well - in the case of Planet Computing's products like the Cosmo Communicator - they have expressed interest and cooperation with getting UT ports going - and a port for UT is half done for their previous Gemini PDA
 Yeah, they have!
 @TotalSonic [well - in the case of Planet Computing's products like the Cosmo Communicator - …], sure, but when every post is a preview of a web page, and just a link to some possible future device, it's very hard to follow along
 I ve sen somewhere this rpi based phone
 Can be fun
 true that - but I find Telegram doesn't make for easy "follow along" like the old usenet or regular forums do.
 It's more feasible to port if the hardware people are involved, doesn't?
 @dohbee [sure, but when every post is a preview of a web page, and just a link to some po …], true that - but Telegram itself doesn't allow easy "follow along" like the old usenet or web based forums do.   Nice for free flowing chat though
 @TotalSonic [true that - but Telegram itself doesn't allow easy "follow along" like the old u …], unset/forums are a very different thing from real time chats. telegram is the latter, and it's easier to follow along when messages are brief and to the point, rather than overwhelmed with images/previews/etc… :)
 @dohbee [unset/forums are a very different thing from real time chats. telegram is the la …], well - the issue is it is hard to include a link without having a preview image pop up.
 @sativista [It's more feasible to port if the hardware people are involved, doesn't?], i think you're missing the point of my request to not go down the direction of "it would be nice to have this new phone supported" links
 @dohbee [i think you're missing the point of my request to not go down the direction of " …], I think the reason he mentioned them was that there had been some initial feelers put through for UT ports with the makers for both of them
 sure
 @dohbee [i think you're missing the point of my request to not go down the direction of " …], Ok! I understood! … There is a way to put a link and not get a preview?
 Cosmo Communicator looks like it could be awesome - but I don't think there is anything in UT's code to accommodate the smaller back display screen - someone correct me if I am wrong on this.
 i don't know. but it is possible to state the names of the phones/makers without links :)
 @TotalSonic [Cosmo Communicator looks like it could be awesome - but I don't think there is a …], there is not
 @dohbee [there is not], thought so - so it would just be a blank screen then unless someone coded something specific for the device (which doesn't seem likely to happen to me)
 i mean, we should probably eventually support multiple internal screens on phones and such, and having them be for very different purposes; but we have enough problems with one screen for now :)
 @dohbee [i don't know. but it is possible to state the names of the phones/makers without …], 👍👍👍


[01:13] <robertparkerx> if I was asked for a username and password for a dedicated box I most likely won't get root access right?
[01:13] <robertparkerx> But the user will have root perm?
[01:16] <sarnold> probably your isp is using those to populate a user account with sudo access in a default image; but it's hard to be certain
[02:35] <robertparkerx> what does ~/folder mean?
[02:35] <sarnold> a directory named 'folder' in your home directory
[03:29] <robertparkerx> libapache2-mod-scgi was removed from 22.04 right?
[03:29] <robertparkerx> I must compile from source?
[03:30] <sarnold> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scgi
[03:30] <sarnold> yeah that's what that looks like
[03:35] <robertparkerx> what abut libtorrent21?
[03:40] <oerheks> what about libtorrent21 ?
[04:05] <amurray> libtorrent21 is still in 22.04 - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jammy/+source/libtorrent
[05:31] <robertparkerx> If I install these https://www.cloudbooklet.com/how-to-install-php-fpm-with-apache-on-ubuntu-22-04/ sudo apt install php8.1-fpm php8.1 libapache2-mod-php8.1 php8.1-common php8.1-mysql php8.1-xml php8.1-xmlrpc php8.1-curl php8.1-gd php8.1-imagick php8.1-cli php8.1-imap php8.1-mbstring php8.1-opcache php8.1-soap php8.1-zip php8.1-intl php8.1-bcmath unzip -y
[05:32] <robertparkerx> and I run a bash script that tries to install apache2 and php curl and php-cli will it install then too on 22.04
[05:32] <robertparkerx> or since php on 22.04 is 8.1 it won't install
[14:11] <ravage> are there mirrors of cdimage.ubuntu.com? im trying to download a daily-live iso and speed never exceeds 300kb/s
[14:13] <ravage> yes there are. never mind :)
[16:41] <robertparkerx> https://www.cloudbooklet.com/how-to-install-php-fpm-with-apache-on-ubuntu-22-04/ this guide suggests to disable mpm_prefork for apache but I get an error
[16:41] <robertparkerx> ERROR: The following modules depend on mpm_prefork and need to be disabled first: php8.1
 "https://www.cloudbooklet.com/how..." <- disable php8.1
[16:55] <effendy[m]> you won't use that with fpm (which replaces the php module)
[16:55] <robertparkerx> I disable it and I get errors
[16:56] <effendy[m]> and enable these: sudo a2enmod mpm_event proxy_fcgi setenvif (taken from your link)
[16:56] <robertparkerx> I did that effendy[m]
[16:57] <effendy[m]> well, we're left to guess, I suppose, what errors you're getting.
[16:58] <robertparkerx> Okay that worked
[16:58] <robertparkerx> I had to do it again
[17:00] <effendy[m]> :)
[17:02] <nibbon_> o/
[17:02] <nibbon_> I would like to backport libvirt 8.0.0 to Focal
[17:03] <nibbon_> I saw Ubuntu has this https://launchpad.net/~canonical-server/+archive/ubuntu/server-backports
[17:03] <nibbon_> however, I'd rather build it from the source
[17:06] <nibbon_> does server-backports ship meson >= 0.54.0~ to some repository?
[17:06] <nibbon_> it would be nice to fetch it directly from Ubuntu, rather than build that one too
[17:06] <nibbon_> cpaelzer: ^ ?
[19:15] <ahasenack> dannf: hi, is focal not affected by https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hg-git/+bug/2002045 ?
[19:15] -ubottu:#ubuntu-server- Launchpad bug 2002045 in hg-git (Ubuntu Kinetic) "hg-git: autopkgtest needs update for new version of git: transport 'file' not allowed" [Undecided, In Progress]
[19:15] <ahasenack> hah, hg-git does not exist in focal (!)
[19:28] <JanC> does it have a new version of git?
[21:46] <dannf> ahasenack: yeah - that confused me for a good 5-10 minutes :)
[23:30] <lunatiq> How would I forward port range 6790-6999
[23:36] <lunatiq> I think I found it


[03:42] <OvenWerk1> zequence: re: changing the default pulse device as was talked about in the user channel. It could be difficult.
[03:42] <OvenWerk1> I don't think we would get support changing the main pulseaudio package.
[03:43] <OvenWerk1> (dual display is really nice BTW)
[03:54] <OvenWerk1> It appears that while PA does ask for RT scheduling, it does not lock it's memory (meaning the OS is allowed to swap it out to disk)
[03:57] <OvenWerk1> I am thinking that pulse as it comes stock, is setup to work best with plain desktop, higher latency audio on mostly internal cards.
[03:57] <OvenWerk1> There may well be ways of setting it so it plays better with jack.
[03:58] <OvenWerk1> If so, that would probably be one more thing for -controls to tackle.
[05:00] <eagles0513875_> hey zequence  :D
[05:55] <eagles0513875_> hey zequence im noticing the ISO respin is in progress, what version of 1.0 did you guys pull did you pull the 1.0.1 package?
[06:49] <eagles0513875_> can anyone tell me if the 1.0.1 package was pulled into the iso respin for testing?
[06:51] <elfy> eagles0513875_: I'm just booting the image - I can look there if you want
[06:51] <eagles0513875_> elfy: yes please
[06:51] <eagles0513875_> that way i can work with motu on getting it included before release
[06:51] <elfy> eagles0513875_: what package are you actually talking about though :p
[06:51] <eagles0513875_> lmms
[06:52] <eagles0513875_> sorry i knew i forgot somethign I am still waking up granted i got up almost 3 hrs ago lol
[06:52] <elfy> 1.0.0+bzr256
[07:01] <Mirv> eagles0513875_: israel's branch is not proposed for merging, and no MOTU had uploaded it otherwise (I'm not sure if someone has promised to be looking after the upload?). I'll proposed it now and mark some things "Needs Fixing" from my POV (there is no upstream 1.0.1 version, and at the minimum it should be specified which commit the orig tarball is based off)
[07:03] <eagles0513875_> Mirv: let me get you the bug that has the link to so you can update the bug report i had filed
[07:03] <elfy> zequence: I'll manage to squeeze a couple of install tests in for you today - but I'm not in any position to do more than those
[07:06] <Mirv> eagles0513875_: I've the bug, and I linked israel's branch now there too and gave my comments on the merge proposal
[07:07] <Mirv> for a MOTU to be able to review the upload, he needs to be able to verify the upstream tarball so knowing that commit is the most important thing. archive admins would probably also reject a "1.0.1" when there's no such upstream version, so renaming the version number as suggested should be done at the same time.
[07:08] <eagles0513875_> Mirv: it pulls the tarball from what we have on sourceforge
[07:08] <Mirv> eagles0513875_: no, it's not the 1.0.0 tarball, so it has to be some sort of snapshot instead?
[07:09] <Mirv> I mean, from github instead of sourceforge
[07:09] <Mirv> which is fine, but it should be just specified
[07:10] <eagles0513875_> Mirv: currently its a snapshot form master
[07:10] <eagles0513875_> which is what we dont want
[07:10] <eagles0513875_> we have a 1.0 stable branch which is what we have bzr based off of Israel is the person working on this as I have no idea on packaging
[07:10] <eagles0513875_> tbh
[07:11] <Mirv> eagles0513875_: yeah, so the snapshot from stable should specify which commit it's based off, similar to what the master is currently specified
[07:11] <eagles0513875_> im just trying to ensure we have the right version in the repos for 14.04
[07:11] <Mirv> yep, I'm trying to help so I gave that feedback that I know is needed to be handled before MOTU can upload it
[07:11] <eagles0513875_> Mirv:  we already have a sponsor
[07:11] <Mirv> since tarballs of unknown origin cannot enter archives
[07:11] <eagles0513875_> if you look at the bug timo seems to be sponsoring this fix
[07:12] <Mirv> eagles0513875_: ok, is he in which timezone? maybe he could finish of israel's branch
[07:12] <Mirv> eagles0513875_: I'm Timo, btw, and I don't have upload rights so I'm still just a helper, not a sponsorer :D
[07:12] <Mirv> so you need someone who has upload rights to the universe
[07:12] <eagles0513875_> oh ok :D
[07:13] <eagles0513875_> i didnt know what your irc name was :D
[07:13] <eagles0513875_> thanks for your help on this
[07:13] <Mirv> so for example https://launchpad.net/~motu/+members
[07:13] <Mirv> SRU will be ok too, it's just more bureaucratic
[07:14] <Mirv> no problem :D
[07:14] <eagles0513875_> Mirv: any chance you can update the bug report with the above mentioned package name suggestion as israel is subscribed automatically to that bug
[07:15] <Mirv> eagles0513875_: it's there in the linked branch's merge proposal discussion that is attached to the bug. I'll comment on the bug too so that it's noticed.
[07:15] <eagles0513875_> thanks
[07:17] <eagles0513875_> Mirv: im going to post the link on the bug as I just found it :D
[07:17] <eagles0513875_> linked to the proposal
[07:18] <Mirv> eagles0513875_: you too! :)
[07:18] <Mirv> 2 seconds apart it looks (59 seconds ago, 57 seconds ago) :D
[07:20] <eagles0513875_> lol
[07:20] <eagles0513875_> Mirv: spoke to dholbach in motu and he said a feature freeze exception would need to be filed.
[07:22] <Mirv> eagles0513875_: oh, ok, he knows better. and I think he's correct. if it's indeed a new upstream stable branch update, it's a new release. so the "leanest option" of patching out the problematic master pieces with a distro patch would not have needed FFe but be a bug fix instead.
[07:22] <eagles0513875_> ffe??
[07:23] <Mirv> but the new stable branch snapshot is probably the best option, and getting FFe not a huge problem since the master branch snapshot has problematic commits
[07:23] <Mirv> eagles0513875_: short for "Feature Freeze exception"
[07:23] <eagles0513875_> ahh ok
[07:23] <eagles0513875_> sorry not used to the fancy short names :D
[07:23] <eagles0513875_> Mirv: are you employed by canonical out of curiosity
[07:23] <Mirv> when there are tens of FFe:s around it helps to use abbreviations :)
[07:24] <Mirv> eagles0513875_: yes, and that's why I've my hands full of other stuff :) even on free time I'm preparing my local community (ubuntu-fi) stuff so release time is quite busy..
[07:24] <Mirv> or I'm a contractor to be more precise, not employee
[07:24] <eagles0513875_> kool
[07:27] <Mirv> I started using ubuntu in 2004 and founded Ubuntu Finland in 2005, but for 7 years after that I worked on other embedded Linux stuff while staying active in the Ubuntu community
[07:28] <eagles0513875_> Mirv: do you mind if i pm you as I dont want to end up off topic in this channel
[07:28] <Mirv> eagles0513875_: yeah feel free, no Studio discussion anymore
[18:36] <zequence> OvenWerk1: Any changes to Pulseaudio need to be done in code. Either one of us digs into it, or we try getting someone involved on it. Doing a wishlist bug, or finding someone in LAD that would like to do it
[18:39] <zequence> Mirv: eagles0513875: I have someone willing to upload it fast, but as Mirv pointed out, the package needs to be fixed first
[18:39] <zequence> Since this only affects our ISO, the release team is kind to us on this
[18:42] <zequence> elfy: Thanks. I will do some testing myself today. Both ISOs. Don't stress it. Think we're fine on the most part, but if you do test, and find anything weird about the XFCE bits, please let me know
[18:42] <elfy> I did 64bit - you appear to still have the ibus issue
[18:42] <zequence> elfy: What is the issue with that?
[18:43] <zequence> I didn't touch those, since I don't know what they do, tbh
[18:43] <elfy> zequence: ok well basically the issue is - install with your keyboard layout - I used GB
[18:44] <zequence> elfy: Ok, so just removing those from seeds would fix that? Or do we need to add something too?
[18:44] <elfy> password included a symbol - # for example, reboot - login works fine - as soon as you are at desktop it switches to US layout - so the password will fail
[18:45] <zequence> Ah
[18:45] <elfy> I completely lost track of what we had to do in the end - it wasn't as simple as removing ibus I think
[18:46] <elfy> we still get the issue for upgrades - workround is purge ibus before and then upgrade or either set up ibus or purge it afterwards
[18:46] <elfy> and yes - ask in there :p
[18:48] <zequence> thanks elfy
[18:49] <elfy> welcome
[19:45] <zequence> Seems like we have two indicator applets for power again
[19:54] <zequence> i can't believe i missed the ibus bug before
[19:54] <elfy> zequence: such is life :)
[19:55] <elfy> I tested on vm so wouldn't have seen power applet afaik
[19:55] <elfy> I did see bluetooth - which we removed - but not sure if you actually used it so didn't comment
[19:58] <zequence> I can live with two power applets until a possible SRU, but the login problem is quite severe
[19:58] <zequence> installing latest now, and going to remove the ibus packages to see if that solves it
[19:59] <zequence> seems like we have quite a sever bug with usb devices too
[19:59] <zequence> OvenWerk1: Have you tested your usb device on latest releases?
[20:00] <zequence> Might not affect you
[20:00] <zequence> Bug 1308628
[20:00] <zequence> Bug 1299878
[20:20] <zequence> elfy: The default keyboard layout in login manager was US english, but this time at least there was a swedish alternative. Wasn't there before, so some progress
[20:20] <zequence> The different types of English were all there before, of course
[20:21] <elfy> not here they weren't - not without setting ibus up - all that is in the list for me is US
[20:21] <elfy> I just wanted to bring it to your attention is all :)
[20:22] <zequence> elfy: Really? Ok. well, if purging the ibus packages is all that is needed, the fix should be simple enough
[20:22] <elfy> the first time I got hit with it - it took me a while to suss that # was showing up as \ then I saw the damned icon in the panel :)
[21:00] <zequence> ibus and indicator-power dropped from seeds
[21:00] <elfy> :)
[21:00] <zequence> Bug 1308755
[21:00] <elfy> if I'd known it was that simple I would have said
[21:01] <zequence> elfy: I won't say I'm sure until I test the ISO, but removing them seemed to do the job
[21:01] <zequence> Bug 1284635
[21:02] <elfy> yep
[23:45] <OvenWerk1> zequence: have you thought about the USB3 with USB2 Audio bug at all? Bug 1308628
[23:47] <OvenWerk1> I would think there will be a change in the kernel module at some point to "fix" this, but getting the driver moved to a module makes sense. The question is if the generic kernel maintainers are willing I would guess... or can we just do that for low latency?
[23:49] <OvenWerk1> The change does not sound like a security problem.