[01:59] <len_1304> shai_halud, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/03/03/%23ubuntustudio-devel.html
[02:00] <len_1304> Its all logged
[02:01] <shai_halud> got it bookmarked. thanks
[02:02] <shai_halud> will be in raring in a few minutes
[02:03] <shai_halud> however,,, download is "hung" at 99%
[02:05] <shai_halud> going to try writing it anyway
[02:08] <len_1304> If it is not complete use zsync to correct it.
[02:08] <len_1304> better than redownloading the whole thing.
[02:15] <shai_halud> checksum looks good
[02:15] <shai_halud> off i go
[02:15] <shai_halud> bbs
[02:15] <shai_halud> might boot into live and install frmo there
[02:35] <shai_halud> that didn't go well at all
[02:38] <Len-nb> How so?
[02:38] <shai_halud> Len-nb, : the live session loaded, had no functionality other then the clock ticked. So I attempted install, I went to bathroom while partitioner formatted.. When I got back, the macciniss wallpaper was up, and the busy icon, nothing else. So i opened a tty and ran top,  .. and crap, i forget the error now. but it said something like no such something
[02:39] <shai_halud> i can try again and write it down
[02:39] <Len-nb> The live session should be fully functional
[02:40] <shai_halud> it looked fine, just had no interactin
[02:40] <shai_halud> interaction
[02:41] <shai_halud> if md5 was good should i bother seeing if zsync will make a difference
[02:41] <shai_halud> ?
[02:42] <Len-nb> I am pretty sure, zsync goes by md5, but it does so in smaller chunks
[02:42] <shai_halud> i will try live again and see if keyboard has any interaction
[02:42] <shai_halud> bbs
[02:58] <shai_halud> Len-nb,  ok, same thing this time, but i got error in live when i tried to run top in tty. error was "squashfs error failed to read block c9ebo97/ unable to read fragment cache entry bash: usr/bin... I/O error
[02:59] <shai_halud> tthe desktop flahed in and out when i tried clicking and right click on desktop caused flash every time, like dumping and reloading desktop
[02:59] <Len-nb> Try throwing zsync at your image
[03:00] <shai_halud> k
[03:00] <Len-nb> that says that it tried to access part of the ISO that wasn't there
[03:00] <Len-nb> The partition on the iso is a squashfs format
[03:10] <shai_halud> right
[03:10] <shai_halud> i'm aware of that, and it leads me to believe that unetbootin didn't burn correctly
[03:10] <shai_halud> er write
[03:13] <shai_halud> zsync reading seed file now
[03:13] <shai_halud> had a few hiccups. maybe was incomplete
[03:15] <shai_halud> ok target 100% complete. will try to write image again, from terminal this time
[03:19] <shai_halud> there is a 1.9MB PART file i the dir now. is this what was downloaded/missing?
[03:21] <shai_halud> both old and new are exact same size
[03:22] <shai_halud> rewriting anyway
[03:24] <shai_halud> ok write complete. rebooting
[03:24] <shai_halud> bbs
[04:44] <Len-nb> ok. I'm back
[04:45] <Len-nb> shai_halud, I'm not sure where to go with this.
[04:46] <Len-nb> Mint is a derivative of ubuntu or debian?
[04:47] <Len-nb> is the iso to usb stick the same as we use?
[04:49] <shai_halud> yes
[04:49] <shai_halud> i have installed with it about 15 timesw
[04:49] <shai_halud> several windows, several linux installs
[04:50] <shai_halud> never had issue
[04:50] <shai_halud> i tested disc from unetbootin/live and no errors were reported
[04:51] <Len-nb> strange. As I say I can't test the same iso, as I have 32 bit machines
[04:52] <shai_halud> i don't know if it is simply fs error on the part of unetbootin or the flash drive, but i have no reason, based on the track record, to expect errors from it
[04:52] <Len-nb> Mine is a week old and worked fine, so I will download a new one.
[04:53] <shai_halud> should i log the errors in launchpad?
[04:53] <shai_halud> and my hardware profile?
[04:53] <shai_halud> i'm done fooling with it tonight, but i will get to it tomorrow
[04:54] <Len-nb> You can try that. I will ask one of the others to download and at least make sure the live session runs
[04:54] <Len-nb> (with 64 bit)
[04:54] <shai_halud> one sec and i will give you the link i used
[04:55] <shai_halud> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd/current/raring-dvd-i386.iso
[04:55] <shai_halud> er
[04:55] <shai_halud>  wait
[04:56] <shai_halud> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd/current/raring-dvd-amd64.iso
[04:56] <shai_halud> let me double check and make sure that's the one i used
[04:56] <Len-nb> Thats the right place.
[04:57] <Len-nb> I use the i386 one
[04:57] <shai_halud> yes. that's the one ( i meant to make sure i got amd64)
[04:58] <shai_halud> i just hope i can correct whatever is wrong with wifi in my ubuntu studio 12.10
[04:58] <Len-nb> That sounds odd.
[04:58] <shai_halud> at least i know the wifi card isn't borked. something changed in the configuration though, in U.S.
[04:59] <shai_halud> yes it does
[04:59] <Len-nb> Can it see your AP
[04:59] <shai_halud> no
[04:59] <shai_halud> none appear
[05:00] <shai_halud> typically that install is online as soon as de loads
[05:00] <Len-nb> is enable wi-fi checked?
[05:00] <shai_halud> i have had no complaints
[05:00] <shai_halud> yes
[05:00] <shai_halud> something to do with the mac address
[05:01] <shai_halud> it's different in Mint
[05:01] <shai_halud> going to make a note of the configuration from here and try to set US the same way
[05:03] <shai_halud> well, i'm off for the night. will make log in launchpad tomorrow
[05:03] <shai_halud> cheers
[06:17] <smartboyhw> zequence_, nice page on ubuntustudio.org + posts
[07:04] <Mick_> hi all
[07:04] <smartboyhw> hello Mick_
[07:05] <Mick_> Hi again :)
[07:05] <smartboyhw> LOL
[09:21] <zequence_> smartboyhw: Thanks
[09:22] <zequence_> Mick_: Hi. I prepared a page yesterday, which basically says what we went through yesterday https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/JoinTheTeam
[09:23] <Mick_> oh thanks, yes i figured that I would hang around and get an idea of things
[09:24] <smartboyhw> Mick_, :)
[09:24] <smartboyhw> zequence_, so what are we going to do at UDS?
[09:24] <smartboyhw> UDS-1303 I mean
[09:26] <smartboyhw> zequence_, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/xubuntu-desktop/+spec/contingencies is interesting
[09:29] <zequence_> smartboyhw: Any ideas? I can't think of anything right now
[09:29] <zequence_> At least we should keep track of the rolling release discussion
[09:29] <smartboyhw> zequence_, of course
[09:29] <smartboyhw> zequence, one thing I think of is that I rather suggest having at least one to two physical UDS per LTS cycle
[09:30] <zequence> A physical UDS for an LTS does make sense, yes
[09:32] <Mick_> the dependecy tree in the roadmap is hard to read, bit small
[09:32] <zequence> Mick_: Yes. I've put together an overview in the wiki
[09:33] <zequence> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/PermanentBlueprintOverview
[09:33] <Mick_> oh ok, maybe a note in there then?
[09:34] <zequence> Ah, right. I haven't added the link to the root. will do
[09:34] <smartboyhw> :)
[09:34] <smartboyhw> zequence, I really hope that shai_lalud can come todahy
[09:34] <smartboyhw> s/todahy/today/
[09:34] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "zequence, I really hope that shai_lalud can come today"
[09:34]  * smartboyhw needs to go through with him about the QA processes
[09:37] <zequence> smartboyhw: Seems like we'll be seeing more of him
[09:37] <smartboyhw> zequence, :)
[09:38] <smartboyhw> zequence, now with rolling release comes a problem: How do we fix the upgrades?
[09:39] <smartboyhw> Don't forget our metas....
[09:39] <smartboyhw> Bug 1066401
[09:41] <smartboyhw> One thing too: one of the workitems of scott-work is to ask dick macinnis to lead art crowdsourcing which will be difficult since he would rather want to work on Dream Studio....
[09:43] <smartboyhw> And finally: We can easily clean up "add create-resources to seeds" item....
[09:44] <zequence> smartboyhw: It's better Scott handles his own tasks. I'm expecting to see him today
[09:45] <smartboyhw> zequence, I am too
[09:45] <zequence> We can add create-resources ourselves though
[09:45] <smartboyhw> yep
[09:52] <zequence> I still need to change our seeds and metas, so I will do that at the same time
[09:52] <smartboyhw> zequence, :)
[09:52] <smartboyhw> zequence, that = putting create-resources in?
[09:55] <zequence> Yes
[09:55] <zequence> I'm not sure we should have an upgrade add two more metas
[09:56] <zequence> Or, if we do, the user should have a choice
[09:56] <smartboyhw> zequence, but then that will mean we're not giving them the experience + workflows they should get while upgrading
[10:45] <zequence> Len-nb: When modifying seeds, it's enough just to make a comment in bzr. I'd prefer having the seed files clean, and only use comments there for things that need attention
[10:45] <zequence> A comment in the bzr commit, I mean
[10:49] <zequence> Len-nb: Do you recognize this task from blueprints? "[ubuntustudio-dev] Make sure the custom menu has entries for "all" multimedia applications available to Linux"
[10:56] <zequence> Len-nb: I've postponed most of our tasks in our blueprints. We can still do some of those. Just cleaning up our stuff before feature freeze
[10:58] <zequence> I think the only thing I will have time for is prepare new metas (if I do that today).
[11:13] <smartboyhw> zequence, what new metas?
[11:14] <zequence> smartboyhw: We're putting together all the audio metas into one
[11:14] <smartboyhw> zequence, oh
[11:14] <smartboyhw> zequence, /me wants to try.
[11:15] <zequence> smartboyhw: I need to learn this too. And, I figure you have enough to do already.
[11:15] <smartboyhw> zequence, not much today
[11:16] <smartboyhw> Basically nothing
[11:16] <zequence> Well, I won't save any time by showing you how
[11:16] <smartboyhw> zequence, OK
[11:16] <zequence> ..not right now at least
[11:17] <smartboyhw> OK
[11:18] <zequence> smartboyhw: If you can find something in the blueprint, even if it's postponed, that you think you can do, do it
[11:18] <smartboyhw> zequence, ok
[11:19] <zequence> There were some ideas about GRUB
[11:19] <smartboyhw> zequence, uh huh
[11:20] <zequence> smartboyhw: The three last items in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntustudio-r-misc
[11:20] <smartboyhw> I will try the 10-second thing first....
[11:51] <smartboyhw> zequence, hmm blender is now starting to being packaged for 2.66
[11:55] <zequence> smartboyhw: packaged, where?
[11:55] <zequence> Debian?
[12:17] <smartboyhw> zequence, yep:)
[12:18] <smartboyhw> zequence, didn't you follow the pkg-multimedia-commits mai list?
[12:19] <zequence> smartboyhw: I wasn't following the progress of blender being packaged, no
[12:19] <smartboyhw> zequence, you should (as a member of the Debian MM)
[12:19] <zequence> smartboyhw: The only person who needs to do that is the one maintaining it
[12:19] <zequence> Or, whoever has some interest in a new version
[12:20] <smartboyhw> zequence, well it is one of the requirements when joining the team I think
[12:20] <zequence> smartboyhw: To follow the progress of blender. no
[12:20] <smartboyhw> zequence, really?
[12:20] <zequence> I subscribe to the mail list. I don't keep track of individual packages, if I have no interest in them
[12:21] <zequence> Only if I have an interest in a certain update of a certain package
[12:21] <zequence> Like, if there is a really cool feature change, or an important bug fix
[12:21] <zequence> Then it might be interesting to sync it too
[12:22] <smartboyhw> zequence, no that's for ALL commit
[12:22] <smartboyhw> s/commit/commits/
[12:22] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "zequence, no that's for ALL commits"
[12:22] <smartboyhw> zequence, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/Join
[12:23] <smartboyhw> "have subscribed pkg-multimedia-commits mailing list.'
[12:24] <zequence> smartboyhw: Yes, and it is good to subscribe to the mail list. But, it isn't important to keep track of packages that aren't meaningful to you
[12:24] <smartboyhw> zequence, no I just saw it through the mailing list anyway so I tell it to you:P
[12:24] <zequence> smartboyhw: Let me ask you. Why would you want to become a Debian multimedia member?
[12:25] <smartboyhw> zequence, to help packaging new apps.
[12:25] <smartboyhw> For example, remember the app I told you before (vModSynth)?
[12:25] <zequence> Yes
[12:25] <smartboyhw> I want to package it to Debian (as you suggested) and it would be good for me to join the team
[12:25] <smartboyhw> As one of the MM guy suggested
[12:26] <zequence> Well, that's all good. But, what I'm after is this: The reason why we do anything is to improve free software. While it is fun to do some things, we will only do them, if we are improving something
[12:27] <smartboyhw> We are aren't we!?
[12:28] <zequence> Forget I mentioned anything. It's a very tricky subject anyway
[12:28] <zequence> smartboyhw: If you happen to know a new version of a Debian package fixes something for us, I would be happy to know about it
[12:29] <zequence> Otherwise, I get all that mail too
[12:29] <smartboyhw> zequence, OK
[13:25] <zequence> There was a nice peak of user activity after posting on fb. It's nice being able to see some statistics, even if they don't really tell all that much in the end
[13:25] <zequence> It does help making posts anyway
[13:26] <zequence> People will pass the posts along, which could make a world of difference
[13:27] <smartboyhw> zequence, :)
[14:01] <zequence> I just got a mail from someone wanting to join
[14:01] <zequence> He will probably not have much time, but seems adequate in many areas. I need to post on non-audio mail lists too
[14:01] <zequence> Otherwise, we'll only have audio experts and no one who knows a thing about anything esle
[14:02] <smartboyhw> zequence, good
[14:03]  * smartboyhw isn't an audio expert:P
[14:04] <zequence> smartboyhw: Well, you are instead more interested in all the administrative work
[14:04] <smartboyhw> zequence, !?
[14:04]  * smartboyhw isn't
[14:05] <zequence> What do you call maintaining packages?
[14:05] <zequence> Or, administering source
[14:05] <zequence> It's all administration
[14:05] <smartboyhw> ...
[14:06] <zequence> And audio enthusiast might not know how to create a package, but knows exactly what the application should do
[14:06] <zequence> If you as a packager don't know what you are packaging, you will need someone else to help you giving feedback
[14:08] <zequence> Being a packager, or even a project leader is nothing more than being a secretary
[14:08] <zequence> You are serving the community with your skills in administration
[14:09]  * smartboyhw puts zequence in a community leadership conference alongside Jono Bacon :P
[14:20] <len_1304> zequence, feel free to purge comments from seeds. At least the audio part as you work on it. I will do the desktop when you are finished.
[14:21] <len_1304> I am not sure how that add all known audio/art apps to the menu got there.
[14:21] <len_1304> I think the idea is to make sure if the user installs something from the repo it ends up in the correct submenu.
[14:22] <zequence> len_1304: The problem I'm having is getting what that workitem is about. Is it to add an entry that has all the multimedia apps in it?
[14:22] <zequence> What for?
[14:22] <len_1304> It is a lot of work though as it requires installing _everything_
[14:22] <len_1304> Then checking where the app ends up in the menu
[14:23] <len_1304> I think the better way is to wait for it to get bugged. and then do it.
[14:24] <len_1304> Call it postponed if it is raring and maybe change or remove other wise
[14:24] <zequence> Ok, well. This is why I'd rather use standards, and just add variables in the menu entries, for the most part
[14:24] <len_1304> Like I say we should just wait till a user installs and files a bug report.
[14:25] <len_1304> Then we can make a patch for the source and run it upstream as far as someone is willing to listen
[14:25] <len_1304> A patch for the *.desktop file is trivial
[14:31] <zequence> Ok, was able to redo the ubuntustudio-meta source. All is working but the audio meta, but I haven't changed the seeds yet
[14:31] <zequence> Our metas might get broken for a little while now
[14:31] <zequence> I'll try my best to sort it out withing a couple of days
[14:32]  * smartboyhw really doesn't understand why he is running for membership again...
[15:21] <zequence> len_1304: Actually, what I most want to do is to have less tasks when installing from alternate media
[15:22] <zequence> On some afterthought, people will probably want to at least have a plugins meta
[15:22] <zequence> on top of the audio one
[15:25] <zequence> I'd be willing to create a bunch of metas, but not so they appear as tasks
[16:05] <zequence> Ook. Managed to change the seeds
[16:06] <zequence> Had some problems building the meta source after that, but I seemed to have fixed it. The ISO will hopefully build fine tomorrow
[16:06] <zequence> Now, only thing that remains to be seen is if the metas look the way they should, and if tomorrows ISO has the correct set of tasks for the installation (and if our DVD is including it all)
[16:08] <zequence> len_1304: I've revived an old branch, which only had one revision before (used to create the initial meta I suppose) https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-meta/ubuntustudio-meta
[16:08] <zequence> Using it to update the meta
[16:09] <zequence> len_1304: And, added a build recipe for it, so we can build new versions when we want https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/+archive/ubuntustudio-meta-testing
[16:09] <zequence> ..to that PPA
[16:10] <zequence> problem is, the recipe seems only useful for making it build daily. There's a 7 hour wait now, and therefore, I'm building on my own PPA now just to test the meta
[18:01] <zequence> micahg: I've been messing around with seeds and metas today :)
[18:01] <zequence> micahg: Been testing a new meta source, and it seems to work
[18:02] <zequence> The ISO remains to be seen, but I'm not expecting much trouble there
[18:04] <zequence> micahg: I've put the source here https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-meta/ubuntustudio-meta
[18:06] <zequence> micahg: I was hoping you could upload it. The changelog is a little weird, as it was autogenerated
[18:07] <micahg> zequence: let's wait for the ISO, if it's good, I'll upload the meta
[18:07] <zequence> micahg: Alright
[18:07] <zequence> micahg: though, the metas won't be on it, of course
[18:08] <zequence> But, I guess all the packages will install anyway
[18:08] <zequence> Just not the metas themselves.
[18:08] <micahg> yeah
[18:08] <zequence> Or, something
[18:21] <zequence> hmm, the build just failed
[18:23] <zequence> The metas are probably fine, but something with the seeds. It built the minimal system, and then - nothing
[18:59] <micahg> oh, hrm, I might need to upload fixes to make the images work again, I keep forgetting what order it needs to happen in
[19:21] <zequence> I didn't add anything new, that there didn't exist metas for already. But, I might have messed up the seeds file anyway
[19:22] <zequence> I'd love to be able to test this locally
[19:25] <zequence> When using germinate, both audio and audio-plugins were not containing much, but that much was expected
[19:25] <zequence> germinate -s ubuntustudio.raring (fills your current dir up with lots of text files)
[20:27] <zequence> Ah, well. Some metas have no seed files, but I wonder if that would break the build then?
[20:28] <zequence> -recording and -generation metas exist for this build, but the seed files they're looking for don't exist
[20:28] <zequence> so, don't know if that could cause any problems
[23:08] <Len-nb> zequence, Re. seeds, audio common is required by video, you may need to add its apps there. (it supplies jack for the video apps that need it for one)
[23:10] <zequence> Len-nb: Ah
[23:10] <zequence> Ok, that could be it
[23:11] <Len-nb> Might be good to check other deps :)
[23:11] <zequence> Len-nb: nope
[23:12] <zequence> I guess you mean ffmpeg-common
[23:12] <Len-nb> There is at least one program that needs jack
[23:13] <zequence> Then I think it's in the dependencies for that particular package
[23:14] <Len-nb> xjadeo. but I don't see the dep as you say.
[23:17] <zequence> It has libjack as its' dependency


[10:49] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[17:28] <ChinnoDog> I don't want to teach noobs to contribute kernel patches. lol
[17:29] <jthan> ChinnoDog: why not?
[17:29] <jthan> live a little :-)
[17:30] <mutantturkey> feeling a bit dumb here but
[17:30] <mutantturkey> awk '{print $0"foo"} < file  should give me like
[17:30] <mutantturkey> line 1foo
[17:30] <mutantturkey> line 2foo
[17:30] <mutantturkey> but i am getting fooline 1
[17:33] <mutantturkey> hm might be something funkey with the lineendings
[17:36] <jthan> mutantturkey: yo'ure missing a ' at the end of the } if you didn't just forget to retype to us
[17:37] <mutantturkey> i just mistyped it
[17:37] <mutantturkey> its happening with sed to
[17:38] <jthan> oh
[17:38] <jthan> mutantturkey: while read line; do awk '{print "$0 foo"}'; done < file
[17:39] <jthan> still not quite right
[17:39] <jthan> jonathan@karma:~$ cat mt.txt | while read line; do awk '{print $1 "foo"}'; done
[17:39] <jthan> ^ that one works.
[17:39] <waltman> if you run 'file file', what does it say?
[17:39] <jthan> lifoo
[17:39] <jthan> linfoo
[17:39] <jthan> linefoo
[17:39] <jthan> linerfoo
[17:39] <jthan> lineiestfoo
[17:40] <waltman> You might be adding the foo after the newline and/or carriage return
[17:40] <jthan> no, he isn't looping with his current syntax.
[17:42] <waltman> what does this output: perl -pe 's/$/foo/' file


[22:36] <janos> hi all
[22:36] <janos> who can I contact for updating this page: http://wiki.bazaar.canonical.com/BazaarBook
[22:40] <lifeless> it's a wiki - make an account and edit it, no?
[22:40] <janos> hm I can try, hang on
[22:50] <janos> awesome, thank you lifeless
[22:58] <jelmer> janos: looks interesting :-)
[22:58] <jelmer> janos: congrats on finishing a book! it's a long and hard process..
[22:59] <janos> thanks jelmer, yes it was!
[22:59] <janos> I hope some folks will find it useful
[23:00] <jelmer> janos: might be worth a post to the mailing list too, or did that already happen?
[23:00] <janos> which mailing list?
[23:01] <janos> I sent to bzr-doc, where do you recommend?
[23:01] <janos> I don't think it worked anyway, because the mail is not appearing in the public archives
[23:02] <jelmer> janos: I'd send it to bazaar-announce@ - I think it's appropriate for that
[23:02] <jelmer> that list might be moderated
[23:02] <jelmer> bazaar-announce@ and bazaar@ I mean
[23:03] <janos> great, thanks, I'll do that. and the domain name is lists.launchpad.net or something else?
[23:04] <jelmer> janos: lists.canonical.com
[23:04] <jelmer> although if you've managed to write a book about bzr, I'm sure you should be able to figure it out ;-)
[23:05] <janos> haha :-) actually this is it, right now, me figuring out ;-)
[23:07] <janos> btw, I really wanted to ask you guys to review while writing, but time was extremely tight, I was constantly late for deadlines, it was just not possible :(
[23:09] <lifeless> jelmer: janos: lists.l.n discards mail from non-subscribers full stop; if it is a lists.l.n list ( I don't remember), you'll need to subscribe to post
[23:10] <janos> thanks lifeless
[23:11] <jelmer> lifeless: this is lists.c.c though, not sure what the policy is there
[23:11] <jelmer> either way, it probably makes sense to subscribe..
[23:11] <lifeless> jelmer: more relaxed, regular mailman
[23:12] <janos> the wiki page update will also notify some people
[23:12] <janos> so one way or another, I hope this will get noticed
[23:12] <janos> but yeah, I'm typing up the email now
[23:15] <janos> sent! hope it will work
[23:16] <janos> thanks a lot jelmer and lifeless , I'm off to bed now but will leave this window open


[21:46] <blkperl> slangasek: I'm mad about this
[21:46] <blkperl> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-September/031493.html
[21:46] <blkperl> grumpy...
[21:48] <blkperl> so I have to modify the init script for slapd
[21:48] <blkperl> ?
[22:06] <slangasek> blkperl: so, subsequent to that mail, the compromise we have in place is that the default *soft* limit for open files is 1024, but the hard limit is higher, at 4096
[22:06] <slangasek> blkperl: which means that any process which needs more files can call setrlimit() to raise its own limit, privileged or not
[22:08] <blkperl> slangasek: well slapd is either not doing that or needs more than 4096
[22:09] <slangasek> wasn't it y'all's slapd server that was leaking fds once before?
[22:09] <blkperl> yeah we fixed that :P
[22:09] <slangasek> and now it's running out of fds for legitimate reasons? :)
[22:09] <blkperl> last time is was memory
[22:10] <blkperl> not fds
[22:11] <slangasek> ok
[22:11] <slangasek> do you have more than 1000 simultaneous clients?
[22:11] <blkperl> nope
[22:12] <blkperl> Oct 10 11:58:03 arya slapd[929]: warning: cannot open /etc/hosts.deny: Too many open files
[22:12] <blkperl> getting those in the logs
[22:13] <slangasek> how many simultaneous clients *do* you have?
[22:13] <slangasek> raising the fds is doable, but if the real problem is an fd leak...
[22:13] <slangasek> (lsof -p $(pidof slapd) -n?)
[22:15] <blkperl> 827 at the moment
[22:15] <blkperl> now 858
[22:16] <blkperl> hmm maybe your right and its leaking
[22:19] <blkperl> well it matches with number of connections though
[22:24] <slangasek> how are you measuring the number of connections?  *should* there be that many simultaneous clients?
[22:25] <slangasek> if you're just saying slapd agrees with itself about how many connections there are"...
[22:27] <blkperl> slangasek: idk, nfs/autofs/mail all use it I can't tell if they should be there
[22:28] <slangasek> ok
[22:29] <slangasek> is that on the right order of magnitude for the number of client systems you have?
[22:30] <slangasek> blkperl: I guess I would say, cowboy a change to the slapd init script to add 'ulimit -n 4096' and see if the fd usage levels off
[22:31] <slangasek> blkperl: btw, if you feel strongly about not editing the init script, you could drop it in /etc/default/slapd instead ... and it would work ;)
[22:33] <blkperl> slangasek: how can you put it in /etc/default/slapd its a config file?
[22:35] <slangasek> blkperl: <cough> it's a shell fragment that's sourced by the init script
[22:53] <blkperl> oh.. is that because ulimit is a shell builtin
[22:53] <blkperl> so source just works
[23:09] <blkperl> hmm its back down to 419


[18:18] <slacker_nl> hello, any docbook specialists available?
[18:44] <mdke> slacker_nl: I'll give it my best shot
[18:51] <slacker_nl> mdke: i have a man page in docbook format, and I want to include some bits and pieces, eg copyright info/authors etc
[18:51] <slacker_nl> http://pb.opperschaap.net/266
[18:51] <slacker_nl> but it doesn't show any author and/or copyright info
[18:53] <mdke> that looks a little weird to me
[18:53] <mdke> have you tried moving this bit inside the xinclude tag instead of in the authorgroup tag?
[18:53] <slacker_nl> yes
[18:54] <mdke> damn, I can't copy and paste
[18:54] <mdke> like this
[18:54] <mdke> http://pb.opperschaap.net/269
[18:55] <mdke> and run a validation check over your xml file like
[18:56] <mdke> xmllint --noout --xinclude --noent --postvalid file.xml
[18:56] <mdke> see if you get any results
[18:57] <slacker_nl> http://pb.opperschaap.net/270
[18:58] <slacker_nl> i get the results i'm expecting, the xmllint doesn't like the fact that the authorgroup has multiple authors
 .. </author> <author> .. </author> etc etc, same for copyright.xml with <year> .. </year>
[18:59] <mdke> you can have multiple authors in authorgroup
[18:59] <mdke> that's sort of the point
[18:59] <slacker_nl> :) I know
[19:00] <mdke> try putting your authorgroup inside the separate xml tag instead of in your main file
[19:01] <mdke> ditto for copyright
[19:01] <mdke> i think xinclude requires that the file you are including has a complete tag in it
[19:07] <slacker_nl> no dice
[19:07] <slacker_nl> xmllint doesn't complain, yet it doesn't show anything in the manpage
[19:09] <mdke> how are you viewing it?
[19:10] <mdke> I suppose you could also put everything in the main file rather than separate it out and see if that works. At least then you know what is causing the problem
[19:11] <slacker_nl> mdke: via man ./$outputfile
[19:12] <slacker_nl> mdke: i know that it works if I put everything in the main file - that's how I started it
[19:12] <slacker_nl> but I don't want to update authors/copyright etc in multiple files
[19:13] <mdke> I don't know how man displays xml. if xmllint isn't complaining, then there isn't an issue with the xml
[19:13] <mdke> perhaps man doesn't support xinclude?
[19:13] <slacker_nl> i'm using docbook2x-man and xsltproc to create the man page
[19:14] <slacker_nl> this is the output of xsltproc
[19:14] <slacker_nl> http://pb.opperschaap.net/271
[19:16] <mdke> I think i've run out of ideas I'm afraid
[19:16] <mdke> sorry
[19:17] <mdke> you're using "xsltproc --xinclude" I guess?
[19:17] <slacker_nl> nope, without
[19:17] <mdke> ah, that might be it
[19:18] <mdke> you need that
[19:18] <slacker_nl> mm
[19:18] <slacker_nl> ty, now see if docbook2x-man has similar options
[19:20] <mdke> bbl


[07:37] <didrocks> good morning
[07:44] <duflu> Morning didrocks
[07:50] <didrocks> hey duflu
[08:03] <willcooke> morning
[08:04] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[08:04] <duflu> Morning willcooke
[08:09] <willcooke> morning didrocks duflu
[08:23] <seb128> trevinho, andyrock, bug #1817020
[09:07] <seb128> jbicha, your new glib sync made a few autopkgtest unhappy, including glib itself, colord, ruby-gnome
[09:10]  * Laney was going to test some of those autopkgtests before syncing, glad that it's not on him to fix it now :>
[10:05] <seb128> kenvandine, robert_ancell, do we plan to update gnome-software this cycle? we are still on the 3.30 serie and feature freeze is today
[10:20] <robert_ancell> seb128, I'm working on it now
[10:21] <seb128> great, thx
[10:30] <robert_ancell> seb128, https://gitlab.gnome.org/Teams/Design/settings-mockups/raw/master/region-and-language/region-and-language.png
[10:30] <seb128> robert_ancell, thx
[11:02] <duflu> Sanity check: We are aiming for Gnome 3.32 in disco right?
[11:10] <Laney> Yes
[11:21] <robert_ancell> seb128, gnome-software is still blocked on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxmlb/+bug/1814997
[11:25] <andyrock> hey tjaalton! Mesa in bionic-proposed (and cosmic-proposed) is causing FTBS in unity (https://launchpadlibrarian.net/411782206/buildlog_ubuntu-bionic-amd64.unity_7.5.0+18.04.20190218-0ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz)
[11:26] <andyrock> this patch for glew should be enough to fix the issue (https://salsa.debian.org/debian/glew/blob/master/debian/patches/0003-Fix_glex-moved-header.patch)
[11:29] <duflu> \o/
[12:06] <jbicha> Laney: I hope you aren't serious, but I'll try to avoid doing that again
[12:07] <jbicha> colord isn't glib's fault and I think adwaita-icon-theme is to blame for ruby-gnome
[12:13] <ricotz> jbicha, hi
[12:15] <ricotz> I have started looking into some of the build failures with vala 0.43.90
[12:15] <ricotz> 2 were vala regressions which will be fixed with vala 0.43.91
[12:16] <ricotz> 5 are fixed with the proposed zeitgeist update
[12:35] <Laney> jbicha: serious about what?
[12:36] <jbicha> Laney: that I'm responsible for fixing glib's autopkgtest
[12:36] <Laney> you don't think you should be?
[12:37] <Laney> you've uploaded something which is failing its tests ...
[12:37] <jbicha> I think we are a team and I'm trying to help out as much as I can, I'd appreciate if you'd help out where you can too :|
[12:37] <Laney> sure, but I'm busy trying to get gnome-shell ready before feature freeze right now
[12:38] <jbicha> I apologize for syncing glib this time, I didn't realize that I shouldn't have touched it here
[12:38] <jbicha> I do try to avoid stepping on other people's work
[12:39] <jbicha> that's why I stayed away from the gnome-shell/mutter update unless I was asked to help
[12:39] <jbicha> and it's why I didn't touch gnome-keyring until the eve of Feature Freeze since maybe you were handling it
[12:40] <jbicha> I guess we need to communicate better
[12:41] <Laney> It's fine for you to have done it, I'm just saying that the responsibility doesn't begin and end with syncpackage - following up on issues is a part of the work too
[12:41] <Laney> and if you don't think you'll be able to do that, then maybe waiting / asking is a better answer
[12:42] <ricotz> Laney, could you sponsor a zeitgeist and folks update?
[12:43] <Laney> perhaps later on
[12:43]  * ricotz feels like reporting sponsor bugs isn't helping
[12:43] <Laney> did you break things with a vala update?
[12:44] <ricotz> Laney, this would be preparations towards and vala update
[12:44] <ricotz> https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/ubuntu/vala-disco/+sourcepub/9928957/+listing-archive-extra
[12:44] <ricotz> https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/ubuntu/vala-disco/+sourcepub/9928970/+listing-archive-extra
[12:45] <seb128> ricotz, we don't plan to update vala now, do we?
[12:45] <ricotz> seb128, some preparations for it
[12:45] <seb128> feature freeze is today
[12:45] <jbicha> seb128: we have in previous release cycles
[12:46] <seb128> shrug
[12:46] <seb128> we have better things to do that start spending time fixing things that stop building because of toolchain updates after ff :/
[12:46] <andyrock> any help required for the glib's autopkgtest?
[12:47] <jbicha> andyrock: hi, yes, but also…
[12:47] <ricotz> seb128, I see, that is why I wanted to update e.g. zeitgeist 2 weeks ago
[12:47] <jbicha> I prepared the tracker 2.2 upload in Salsa
[12:47] <seb128> ricotz, that one package is not what changes the situation
[12:48] <seb128> jbicha, is it blocked on something?
[12:48] <jbicha> I figured out how to avoid the collation autopkgtest failure that caused us problems a few months ago, but now we get https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/tracker/issues/78
[12:48] <gitbot> GNOME issue 78 in tracker "tests: cannot register existing type 'TrackerSparqlConnection'" [Opened]
[12:48] <ricotz> seb128, it fixes 5 rdepend failures
[12:49] <Laney> jbicha: let me look at that one while I'm waiting for Trevinho to push the shell branches
[12:49] <andyrock> jbicha: that was because functional-tests on tracker were (and are) still using python2
[12:49] <andyrock> isn't it?
[12:49] <seb128> jbicha, did you try to build without -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions ?
[12:49] <Laney> hey
[12:49] <Laney> don't spoil my fix :P
[12:50] <jbicha> sorry, we have too many conversations going on, I'm losing context :)
[12:50] <ricotz> seb128, to illustrate the situation https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/ubuntu/vala-disco/+packages?batch=200&memo=0&start=0
[12:50] <seb128> ricotz, the point if that feature freeze is not a target to land updates & create more work
[12:50] <seb128> it's a point where things should stop being disruptive so we can focus on bug fixing
[12:51] <jbicha> andyrock: the last 2 commits at https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/tracker/commits/debian/master are how I fixed the collation issue, I commented on https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/tracker/issues/59
[12:51] <gitbot> GNOME issue 59 in tracker "functional-16-collation test failures" [Opened]
[12:51] <andyrock> jbicha: it was better to move to python3
[12:51] <andyrock> imho
[12:53] <ricotz> seb128, unfortunately it takes time for upstream projects to catch up on some changes, and if the vala update is not yet available then new errors are not getting fixed, but leaving this work to distros is unfortunate too
[13:07] <seb128> jbicha, so who is looking at the glib problems?
[13:07] <seb128> on which ones do you need help?
[13:08] <kenvandine> robert_ancell: snap-store disables the snap plugin when run on kde because it can't find a service that provides secrets
[13:09] <kenvandine> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/qgT1Z7Uh/
[13:09] <kenvandine> robert_ancell: any ideas how we can make that gracefully handle that?
[13:09] <seb128> jbicha, do you merge libgnomekbd's update to disco or should I do that?
[13:09] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, need to ask azzaronea
[13:09] <seb128> andyrock, ^
[13:10] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, the short answer is to handle the GError and not pass it up, don't know of any side effects though.
[13:10] <kenvandine> robert_ancell: my real question is do we even need the auth any more?  since we dropped paid snaps?
[13:10] <kenvandine> i guess in the future we'll need it
[13:10] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, yes, I can't think of any current case that it would be used.
[13:14] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, which branch is that built from?
[13:15] <kenvandine> snap-store
[13:15] <kenvandine> i'm guessing it's snapd_client_set_auth_data
[13:15] <kenvandine> that's triggering it
[13:15] <tjaalton> andyrock: ok, if there's a bugreport (hope so) assign it to me and i'll have a look next week
[13:16] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, no it's gs_auth_store_load in gs_plugin_setup
[13:16] <robert_ancell> if you disable that it should work.
[13:17] <robert_ancell> It means we wont send any macaroons, but that shouldn't matter anymore.
[13:17] <kenvandine> and hide the menu
[13:17] <kenvandine> i can do that
[13:18] <jbicha> seb128: if autosync will still be on later today, we'll get libgnomekbd for free
[13:21] <jbicha> seb128: RAOF is looking at colord, I don't know if he would need help
[13:22] <jbicha> glib itself needs help and neither I nor Laney were probably going to be able to look into that today
[13:23] <jbicha> I can file a bug with ruby-gnome2: they were fast last time
[13:34] <seb128> jbicha, oh, we are in sync, I didn't remember I had uploaded the bugzilla patch to Debian as well, good then :)
[13:34] <seb128> it's a bugfix update so no feature problem
[13:35] <seb128> jbicha, please do for ruby-gnome
[13:45] <jbicha> https://github.com/ruby-gnome2/ruby-gnome2/issues/1275
[13:45] <gitbot> ruby-gnome2 issue 1275 in ruby-gnome2 "gtk2 test failure with Ubuntu 19.04" [Open]
[13:48] <seb128> thx
[13:50] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/core18-base-in-build-snapcraft-io/7715/11
[13:51] <kenvandine> oSoMoN: yeah, i was testing it for him before lunch :)
[13:51] <oSoMoN> nice
[13:52] <kenvandine> tootle is now setup to build via build.snapcraft.io
[14:08] <kenvandine> robert_ancell: great news... snap-store now works on kde :-D
[14:08] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, \o/ nice work
[14:08] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, has that always been an issue or is it new?
[14:08]  * kenvandine just commented out code :)
[14:08] <kenvandine> yeah
[14:09] <robert_ancell> hatchet job
[14:09] <kenvandine> remember way back when @popey got an empty window running gnome-software on neon?
[14:09] <kenvandine> same reason
[14:09] <kenvandine> no keyring i guess...
[14:09] <robert_ancell> ah, it just handled the failure differently then
[14:09] <kenvandine> plugins get disabled
[14:09] <kenvandine> snap isn't the only plugin that gets disabled because of it
[14:10] <kenvandine> when we handle paid snaps again, we'll need to sort this out
[14:10] <kenvandine> i left the code, just commented it out
[14:10] <kenvandine> i figured libsecret-1-0 would require something that provides secrets
[14:12] <didrocks> Trevinho: andyrock: hey! it seems that appindicator can crash the Shell if it can't find an asset (like too many logs it seems): https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/984
[14:12] <gitbot> GNOME issue 984 in gnome-shell "GnomeShell crash with Cozy Cloud on Ubuntu 18.04 and 18.10" [2. Needs Information, Opened]
[14:16] <seb128> didrocks, it's probably worth rls-incoming tagging and review next week in the meeting
[14:16] <seb128> the italians are busy trying to land new gnome-shell before ff today :)
[14:16] <didrocks> seb128: sure! let me convert to an ubuntu bug
[14:17] <seb128> also those guys should fix their code to not request invalid icons :p
[14:17] <didrocks> yeah, that was my first request
[14:17] <didrocks> I think the extension should be more robust on those
[14:17] <didrocks> and as well the Shell…
[14:17] <didrocks> but at least, we can impact one of them ;)
[14:17] <seb128> it's also probably an issue with https://github.com/ubuntu/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator
[14:18] <seb128> e.g not ubuntu specific
[14:18] <didrocks> right, we are in sync
[14:18] <didrocks> so it's the same code :)
[14:19] <seb128> didrocks, thx for raising it/being responsive to those upstreams btw!
[14:19] <didrocks> no worry! Let me still turn it into a rls-* bug, good suggestion for tracking rather than random pings :)
[15:05] <jbicha> seb128: sorry to come back around on this, but it's easier today than having to do paperwork… if ricotz commits to fixing the vala rdepends soon-ish, would you be willing to sync the new vala?
[15:06] <seb128> jbicha, I'm not syncing it but I'm not stopping you to do that as long as you deal with the fallover
[15:09] <jbicha> seb128: did you claim bug 1814562?
[15:09] <seb128> jbicha, no, but I can try to get to that today if you can't
[15:09] <seb128> though I guess it's not a ff topic so tomorrow is fine as well
[15:10] <jbicha> I guess I can do it, I didn't want to take away your work today 😉
[15:14] <ricotz> zeitgeist/folks is actually a ff-topic for vala (if considered), so this safes time for tomorrow
[15:21] <seb128> jbicha, thx for asking :)
[16:49] <andyrock> mitya57: hey do you mind SRUing glewmx  1.13.0-4ubuntu2  to cosmic  and bionic? it's causing FTBS in unity
[16:56] <jbicha> I'm blocked on uploading gnome-photos because of https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-photos/merge_requests/1/diffs
[16:56] <gitbot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 1 in gnome-photos "installed-tests" [Opened]
[16:57] <jbicha> I could just run the build tests for autopkgtest but that doesn't seem very helpful…
[19:50] <mitya57> andyrock: can you please file a bug, better with SRU template filled?


[00:04] <StevenK> wgrant: With Component and Section preloaded, down to 70.
[00:09] <wgrant> Excellent
[00:09] <wgrant> What are the rest?
[00:12] <StevenK> wgrant: PackageDiff and related LFA and LFC; SPPH; ArchivePermission
[00:13] <wgrant> Right
[00:18] <StevenK> wgrant: So I think it's reasonable
[00:18] <StevenK> We've dropped 160 queries
[00:52] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1453695/
[01:15] <StevenK> wgrant: No thoughts at all, I see.
[01:26] <wgrant> StevenK: Hmm
[01:26] <wgrant> Looks reasonable so far
[01:30] <StevenK> wgrant: Hmmm, given IPackageUploadSet.getAll() is the meat inside IDistroSeries.getPackageUploads(), and getAll() does the propertycache dance, I guess the other bug is sorted too?
[01:31] <wgrant> StevenK: It probably is, but you need to check that the delegations to SPR's checker work
[02:08] <wgrant> (by "work" I mean "don't issue tonnes of queries")
[03:31] <StevenK> wgrant: Hmmm, something has broken the upload webservice tests
[03:43] <wgrant> Oh?
[03:44] <StevenK> wgrant: TestPackageUploadWebservice calls factory.makeBuildPackageUpload() (and then creates a BPR, but the factory call does that ...), trying to access upload.builds[0].build leads to an IndexError
[03:45] <wgrant> StevenK: Sounds like something's creating a PUB without using the method that knows to invalidate stuff
[03:46] <StevenK> But it uses addBuild, which does the invalidation!
[03:46] <StevenK>     def addBuild(self, build):
[03:46] <StevenK>         """See `IPackageUpload`."""
[03:46] <StevenK>         del get_property_cache(self).builds
[03:46] <wgrant> It's probably clearing the cache too early
[03:48] <StevenK> We should delay clearing the property cache?
[03:49] <wgrant> Clear the cache once the relevant change has been made
[03:49] <wgrant> Otherwise the cache may be recalculated with the old data
[03:49] <StevenK> Then all three of the methods are wrong
[03:49] <wgrant> Lots of code is wrong
[03:50] <wgrant> Most code is wrong
[03:50] <StevenK> Oh, they used to del get_property_cache, return, the searchable_{name,version}s stuff is now in the middle
[03:55] <StevenK> wgrant: I moved the del to just before the return, but it still dies. Guess I need to create the PUB, delete the property cache and then return
[03:57] <wgrant> StevenK: Right, that's what I meant.
[03:58] <wgrant> It's not necessarily safe to clear the cache before you've made the change
[03:58] <wgrant> Because some operation (eg. accessing a protected attribute) may cause the cache to be recalculated
[03:58] <wgrant> At any time
[03:58] <StevenK>     print upload.builds[0].build
[03:58] <StevenK> IndexError: list index out of range
[03:58] <StevenK> :-(
[04:06] <StevenK> Do not get it. We create the upload in the factory, create a BPB and a BPR, add it to the PU, where we destroy the cached property, and then return it, and the test says upload.builds is []
[04:09] <wgrant> Give me a branch :)
[04:09] <wgrant> Or diff
[04:10] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1453948/
[04:18] <wgrant> StevenK: Looking
[04:19] <wgrant> Hm
[04:19] <wgrant> StevenK: I wonder if it's not flushing properly
[04:22] <StevenK> wgrant: I was thinking about that -- something that is more aggressive about caching for tests
[04:26] <wgrant> An explicit flush fixes it
[04:26] <wgrant> Odd
[04:26] <StevenK> wgrant: As in a store flush?
[04:27] <wgrant> Yes
[04:28] <wgrant> It looks like the SQLMultipleJoin isn't causing a flush
[04:28] <StevenK> Shall I rewrite them into properties that do a IStore.find() ?
[04:28] <wgrant> No
[04:28] <StevenK> Since SQLMultipleJoin annoys me
[04:28] <wgrant> We should work out why it's not working
[04:30] <wgrant> Oh
[04:30] <wgrant> of course
[04:30] <wgrant> checkPermission is wrapped in @block_implicit_flushes
[04:31] <wgrant> I'd explicitly flush before invalidating the cache in each case
[04:31] <StevenK> Right
[04:33] <StevenK> Ah ha, excellent
[04:34] <StevenK> wgrant: Shall I change that print to a assert just to check that this doesn't bite again?
[04:34] <wgrant> StevenK: No
[04:34] <wgrant> Because it will crash if it fails
[04:34] <wgrant> Already
[04:34] <wgrant> Won't it?
[04:34] <StevenK> No, because I stopped creating a BPR
[04:35] <StevenK> And then the method just iterates over builds, which won't care if it's empty
[04:35] <wgrant> Ah
[04:35] <StevenK> So I can revert the change to create another BPR, which I think is silly, but does test that builds is usable, or an assert
[04:41] <StevenK> Haha, one test depends on the second BPR
[04:41] <StevenK> Eh, back it goes
[04:46] <StevenK> wgrant: So you'd like another test to check query counts?
[04:49] <wgrant> Please
[04:49] <StevenK> wgrant: For IDistroSeries.getPackageUploads() via the Webservice or what?
[04:50] <wgrant> That's what I'd do
[04:51] <wgrant> Given that it's going to be lazr.restful triggering the launchpad.LimitedView checks
[05:04] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1453995/
[05:09] <wgrant> StevenK: What are those two adjacent SPPH queries?
[05:10] <StevenK> Identical. Odd.
[05:12]  * StevenK tries to work out the backtrace
[05:19] <StevenK> wgrant: Do not get it
[05:20] <StevenK> Also not helped by the backtrace being on one line
[05:36] <StevenK> Gah
[05:36] <StevenK> Can't even convert it to something readable
[08:25] <stub> When does patch-2209-40-3.sql get applied? I merged db-devel when I shouldn't have
[16:44] <mpt> Whoa, I'd forgotten Launchpad used to have "mentorships" ... That's a blast from the past


[08:19] <l33o> hi
[08:20] <madnick> hello
[08:21] <l33o> hey
[14:50] <holstein> hey... is it just me, or is our iso looking less broken?
[15:48] <scott-work> it's looking less broken ;)
[15:48] <holstein> im going to infer progress from that
[15:48] <scott-work> but there is still problems with the ia32-libs, which i brought up in an email to the release-team
[15:49] <holstein> even though i know i can take no credit for said progress
[15:49] <holstein> its still exciting :)
[15:49] <scott-work> and i'll mention it in 10 minuts (i think) in the release team meeting
[15:49] <scott-work> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/group/topic-precise-flavor-ubuntu-studio.html
[15:49] <scott-work> this shows progress too ;)
[15:50] <scott-work> i've got several things going on right now, so progress is definitely being made
[15:50] <scott-work> one thing coming up is we need to test the kernels per steve's instructions (which i have now)
[15:50] <scott-work> i'll be emailing the lists about this this weekend
[15:50] <holstein> COOL
[15:51] <holstein> i'll make some time and an install for that next week!
[15:51] <scott-work> also, don
[15:51] <scott-work> don't forget about the multi-head testing and results for documentation
[15:51] <holstein> i need to update that
[15:51] <scott-work> that's also progress and counts on the chart
[15:51] <holstein> im ready to go with all of those really
[15:52] <holstein> just need to make the documentation somewhere
[15:52] <holstein> i have sane jack settings too
[15:54] <holstein> oh, thats been updated it seems
[15:54] <holstein> says its done
[15:55] <scott-work> yeah, i've been trying to keep thigns updated to show progress
[16:27] <scott-work> astraljava: watching the release team meeting is a great education in proper irc etiquette (e.g. o/  .. )
[16:28] <scott-work> quite inspiring
[16:36] <astraljava> Was that a hint?
[16:38] <l33o> ;)
[17:07] <scott-work> no, no...you have tried to impart elegance into our meetings, i'm fully supporting your efforts now :-)
[17:08] <astraljava> Yeah I know, just teasing ya.
[17:24] <scott-work> astraljava: :)
[17:25] <scott-work> one of the outcomes out the release meeting is that we might have to remove dssi-vst from the seeds
[17:25] <scott-work> and colin suggest that we might have it download during the installation process
[17:25] <scott-work> [11:08] <cjwatson> scott-work: perhaps we should have that be downloaded on demand during installation, since it's proprietary? [11:08] <cjwatson> or, well, dependent on proprietary bits [11:09] <cjwatson> anyway, we can discuss by mail or whatever
[17:27] <scott-work> hrmmm, and maybe wine as well
[18:26] <astraljava> I'm okay with that, it's not particularily hard to do.
[19:14] <scott-work> i think dssi-vst brings in wine as a dependency actually
[23:44] <ScottL> i have an actionable plan from steve (the kernel team) to test kernels for this weekend, who wants to help?
[23:44] <ScottL> i'm not opening this up to the public yet, steve just wants to confirm that the test seems to give realistic results at this point
[23:45] <ScottL> probably need three people total to do this
[23:45] <ScottL> i'm happy to be one
[23:45] <ScottL> ailo, astraljava, holstein:  want to help?


[13:18] <rickspencer3> hi all
[13:19] <rickspencer3> I moved to DC a few weeks ago
[13:19] <rickspencer3> I'd be interested in participating in the loco
[16:02] <ChinnoDog> hi rickspencer3
[16:15]  * adom waves to rickspencer3.
[16:16] <rickspencer3> o/ ChinnoDog and adom
[16:18] <ChinnoDog> This LoCo is kind of.. stalled. You could attempt to revive it though.
[17:30] <marcoceppi> revival would be nice
[20:38] <rickspencer3> hey ChinnoDog and marcoceppi should we do something for the Ubuntu Jam?


[18:13] <stacks88> on apt-get upgrade, its taking forever and utilizing ca.archive.ubuntu.com -- Get:23 http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty-updates/main linux-libc-dev amd64 3.13.0-76.120 [771 kB] -- could i just change in sources.list the ca to us ? us.archive.ubuntu.com and re-run apt-get update and upgrade ? should be the same right
[18:13] <nacc> klf: what is that an example of?
[18:13] <OerHeks> Budd, ssh-keygen -R hostname
[18:13] <nacc> random_user_01: what package are you looking for?
[18:13] <klf> So I entered "join" and hit <enter>, as a result a "Join Channel" dialog box appeared
[18:13] <Budd> stacks88: it's worth a try; I'm sure there's a proper list somewhere.
[18:13] <xangua> klf: you can select any option from xchatv from the hud, also use hexchat
[18:14] <random_user_01> nacc, does not matter, i tried different. synaptic, gparted etc.
[18:14] <xangua> Any option from xchat menu or any other program*
[18:14] <mladen4> hey guys i have weird problem. I am getting error "$ANDROID_HOME" var not found, but it exists
[18:14] <nacc> random_user_01: it *does* matter ... are you searching for a a package that doesn't exist?
[18:15] <random_user_01> nacc, do the mentioned packages appear to be rare to you?
[18:15] <Budd> OerHeks: That's to modify a known_hosts file. My problem is that I can't get ssh to use the needed key on a remote connection because these other crap keys (that i never created manually) get in the way.
[18:15] <nacc> random_user_01: what do you mean? what "mentioned packages"?
[18:16] <Budd> You can specify a specific key for SSH to use, but only if it's a file on the local machine.
[18:16] <klf> xangua, wouldn't it be cool if HUD was an interface for executing commands, for example, "/j #ubuntu".  (just a thought)
[18:16] <nacc> random_user_01: oh you mean you tried to search for synaptic and gparted and dint' see it i?
[18:16] <xangua> random_user_01: what package, what Ubuntu release, what's the output you get when using the terminal?
[18:16] <OerHeks> Budd, well, you need root access to that machine.
[18:16] <random_user_01> nacc, exactly
[18:16] <nacc> random_user_01: please provide what xangua said
[18:17] <eins> hello
[18:17] <eins> hello every1
[18:17] <Budd> OerHeks:  I have root access all around, but I don't see how that helps.
[18:18] <eins> does someone know how to enable plugins in Vim, like to turn the on
[18:18] <random_user_01> xangua, 15.10, apt-get outputs nothing, appgrid outputs "package is not available"
[18:18] <AlexPortable> How can I export an icon from a program in /usr/share/applications/ ?
[18:18] <Budd> I suppose I can try to nuke whatever Ubuntu uses as a ssh-agent. What is it?
[18:18] <random_user_01> random_user_01, packages like synaptic or gparted
[18:18] <nacc> random_user_01: please provide the exact command you ran with apt-get
[18:19] <moat_joe> possibly silly question but is there maybe an api to ask which releases are end of life?
[18:19] <xangua> random_user_01: what do you mean by apt outputs nothing? Show us
[18:20] <nowzer> hi
[18:20] <nowzer> I was wondering if anyone could help me with a monitor issue?
[18:21] <random_user_01> xangua, now it did: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/aa5e49bf449529a83f78
[18:22] <jtreminio> I've set priority to `-10` in the 5.4.45 repo, but the 5.5.31 repo seems to be taking precedence: https://dpaste.de/v3sf
[18:22] <jtreminio> Any ideas?
[18:23] <jtreminio> wait, is it backwards? higher priority number, higher actual priority? I thought it was lower the higher
[18:23] <nowzer> It logs me out whenever I plug the VGA cable in on the external monitor
[18:24] <jtreminio> welp that solved is
[18:24] <lahaugen87> jtreminio, We are all glad we could help you
[18:25] <oranged> good morn.
[18:25] <jtreminio> So many different SO answers say to use a negative value for highest priority, lahaugen87
[18:25] <xangua> random_user_01: Run sudo apt-get update && apt-get install packagename
[18:25] <xangua> Update your repositories first
[18:25] <nowzer> hi uhhhhh
[18:26] <nowzer> why is X so buggy
[18:26] <xangua> Because it's 20+ years
[18:27] <nowzer> Anyway... I've been trying to plugin a second mintor
[18:27] <nowzer> monitor* and X is crashing
[18:27] <OerHeks> Xorg Initial release 6 April 2004
[18:27] <OerHeks> hmmmm
[18:28] <random_user_01> xangua, i did that yesterday when it first happened of course. now when i try, it gives me another error though
[18:28] <nowzer> I'm also not sure
[18:28] <nowzer> why it's trying to register my headset as a keyboard
[18:28] <nowzer> [    25.283] (II) evdev: SteelSeries Siberia V2 Illuminated: Configuring as keyboard <---- what?!??!!
[18:29] <random_user_01> xangua, E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
[18:29] <random_user_01> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?. i did it with sudo
[18:29] <Gallomimia> nowzer: headsets have buttons. does it ALSO have a device for audio input and 2 different ones for output?
[18:29] <nowzer> I suppose
[18:29] <nowzer> I'm just digging through the log trying to find why X crashes
[18:29] <nowzer> when I plug in a second monitor
[18:30] <Gallomimia> oh that's unfortunate.
[18:30] <OerHeks> random_user_01, 1 instance only, terminal or softwarecenter, or are there updates pending?
[18:30] <Gallomimia> don't we have a bot command about 2 monitors?
[18:30] <oranged> anyone know if vino-server can be started at boot?
[18:30] <oranged> seems most prefer x11vnc because systemd can start it
[18:31] <ztane> hi, asked this before but no answer,
[18:31] <ztane> anyone succeeded in making a casper-rw partition with 15.10 live usb
[18:31] <ztane> created with usb-creator-gtk
[18:31] <ztane> persistence works fine with casper-rw file but I **need** **more** **space**
[18:31] <random_user_01> OerHeks, 1 instance. i did both commands seperatly now and it seemed to work now. strange. the last update did not resolve this
[18:32] <mladen5> there is a chance i did some stupid stuff with chown like chown * and then i stopped it.. is there a way to check if everything is ok? :)
[18:32] <ztane> when I create ext4 partition with label=casper-rw, remove the casper-rw file, reboot, then I am dropped to busybox on initramfs on boot.
[18:33] <nowzer> what is this: [   480.747] (EE) FBDEV(0): FBIOBLANK: Invalid argument
[18:33] <ztane> I am getting desperate
[18:33] <random_user_01> xangua, fixed thanks
[18:35] <xangua> OerHeks: thought it was older mmmmm :-P
[18:37] <ropo> LucaTM,
[18:47] <ANA__> HY'
[18:47] <abe11> Hello everybody, cutting to the chase: I disabled the password for my ubuntu sudo account through GUI. Now I want to restablish it using the GUI but the lock screen just lets me in without asking for a password. How can I fix this? I also tried setting the password with passdw command through another sudo user but the result is the same
[18:48] <ANA__> PLEAS HELP ME TO DOWNLOAD WEBCAMSTUDIO FOR GNU/UBUNTU I DON T FIND IT !!!
[18:48] <ikonia> ANA__: stop typing in caps
[18:48] <MonkeyDust> ANA__  caps
[18:48] <ikonia> abe11: have you logged out and back in since the change
[18:48] <abe11> ikonia: yes, even restarted
[18:48] <ikonia> abe11: when you login to the desktop your session auths and gets group/password access, if you then make changes the desktop won't get new access
[18:48] <NoiseEee> does anyone here connect to servers via nautilus?  with password-less/key-based logins?
[18:49] <ANA__> pls help me to download webcamstudio for gnu/linux
[18:49] <ikonia> abe11: ahhh ok, so abe11 is your user still part of the admin group ?
[18:49] <NoiseEee> that option is gone from later versions of ubuntu?
[18:49] <MonkeyDust> !info webcamstudio
[18:50] <k1l> ANA__: its not in the ubuntu repos. so you need a PPA or a download from their website
[18:50] <abe11> ikonia: yes, i'm admin, and if I type sudo then asks for the password normally
[18:50] <abe11> ikonia: the only problem is the login screen
[18:50] <ikonia> abe11: the login screen ?
[18:50] <k1l> ANA__: https://launchpad.net/~webcamstudio/+archive/ubuntu/webcamstudio-dailybuilds
[18:50] <xangua> NoiseEee: maybe?  it's GNOME actually the one that has been crippling Nautilus all these years
[18:50] <abe11> that just shows a "login in>" button instead of prompting for the password
[18:50] <ANA__> i dont know what is wily?i do have other chance to find a webcam for linux where i can use manycam same time?
[18:51] <ikonia> abe11: ok, so you don't have to put a password to login to the desktop ?
[18:51] <MonkeyDust> ANA__  what's the output of   cat /etc/issue
[18:51] <abe11> ikonia: exactly, although I have one configured
[18:51] <yao_ziyuan> ubuntu 15.10 has "Ambiance" and "Radiance". are they "unity themes" or "gtk3 styles"? i just manually installed gtk3-engine-oxygen and gtk3-engine-unico, but these new engines don't appear in the list where "Ambiance" and "Radiance" reside.
[18:51] <ikonia> abe11: ok - so there is a setting in the login manager that allows you to login without a password, this is not set by default, however I suspect somehow that has got set
[18:52] <abe11> yes, I did configure that a couple weeks ago
[18:52] <ikonia> abe11: it's normally for users of single user systems so no auth is needed
[18:52] <k1l> yao_ziyuan: engines are not themes
[18:52] <ikonia> abe11: if you login to the desktop as another user, does it ask you for a password /
[18:52] <zmelicious> Hello :)
[18:52] <yao_ziyuan> k1l: so what's the easiest way to get more themes other than the default Ambiance and Radiance?
[18:52] <k1l> yao_ziyuan: engines are running in the background. you need to install new themes to get a visual change
[18:53] <xangua> yao_ziyuan: you need to install unity-tweak-tool to use other gtk themes
[18:53] <k1l> yao_ziyuan: download a theme and put it into .themes in your home
[18:53] <abe11> ikonia: but now I want to change it back to have a password, I configured the pwd, but the lock screen does not ask for it
[18:53] <abe11> ikonia: yes, I created another sudo user
[18:53] <yao_ziyuan> k1l: and where are these themes usually collected?
[18:53] <abe11> ikonia: and lock screen prompts for password
[18:53] <yao_ziyuan> k1l: i mean, which website offers them?
[18:53] <k1l> !themes | yao_ziyuan
[18:54] <raub> how do you mount an image file using fuse?
[18:54] <ikonia> abe11: if you login to the desktop as the other user, does it ask for a password
[18:54] <yao_ziyuan> k1l: again, are they "unity themes", or "gnome themes", or "gtk3 themes", or "ubuntu themes"?
[18:55] <abe11> ikonia: yes
[18:55] <ikonia> abe11: ok, so it's something specific to that user, agree ?
[18:55] <abe11> ikonia: and checking user account settings, both have the same configuration
[18:55] <abe11> ikonia: agree
[18:55] <dash562_> Anyone ever seen the issue with the inability to purge old kernels? http://pastebin.com/raw/SVmH8LWp
[18:55] <k1l> yao_ziyuan: unity themes
[18:55] <ikonia> abe11: from a different account if you do "su - brokenaccount" does it prompt you for a password ?
[18:56] <k1l> dash562_: apt-get -f install
[18:56] <dash562_> Does nothing k1l
[18:56] <dash562_> Just spits back that /boot is full
[18:56] <ANA__> i don t know to download on linux,danubian,i don t know to make extractions pleas help me!!!!!!!!111111111
[18:57] <abe11> ikonia: yes, it prompts for the password of the broken user
[18:57] <k1l> ANA__: is this now a debian? then ask in #debian
[18:57] <ikonia> abe11: ok, so it's something to do with the login manager, thats most odd
[18:57] <ANA__> debian yes
[18:57] <abe11> ikonia: indeed
[18:57] <k1l> ANA__: #debian
[18:58] <ikonia> abe11: normally the passwordless login is system wide,
[18:58] <ikonia> abe11: so if other users are prompted for a password, thats most odd
[18:58] <abe11> ikonia: what's the name of that system? so that I could look up for related bugs
[18:58] <k1l> dash562_: aha.
[18:58] <dash562_> yeah only good times k1l
[18:58] <k1l> dash562_: that is important info.
[18:58] <ikonia> abe11: it's just part of the login manager
[18:58] <dash562_> Sorry, my bad
[18:59] <ANA__> what means #dabian?i must type in extensions when i do downlaod something thsi #?
[18:59] <k1l> dash562_: so manually remove the old kernel files to let apt-get install the packages it want first. then remove the old kernel packages
[18:59] <ikonia> ANA__: type "/join #debian"
[18:59] <ikonia> ANA__: exactly like that
[18:59] <abe11> ikonia: but is it related to unity/nautilus/compiz/etc by any chance?
[18:59] <ANA__> exmpl if i want to download  webcamstudio ...i dont know how to make extension to have downloaded on my laptop
[18:59] <ikonia> abe11: I don't see how it would be,
[18:59] <ikonia> ANA__: exactly like that
[18:59] <ikonia> ANA__: type "/join #debian"
[18:59] <ANA__> i try now thank you
[19:00] <abe11> ikonia: ok thanks ikonia, I'll check then and let you know if I find something
[19:00] <ikonia> abe11: I've not got ubuntu here at the moment so I can't tell you where the menu setting is
[19:01] <k1l> abe11: what is the output of "groups" of that user?
[19:02] <abe11> ikonia: I know which setting you're talking about. go to the Mitch answer (3rd one) in this post http://askubuntu.com/questions/281074/can-i-set-my-user-account-to-have-no-password
[19:03] <abe11> ikonia: he talks about the related bug, yet I tried to set the password with another admin account, using passwd command, and the result is not working. Howeer, thery're not talking about any issues with the login prompt
[19:04] <abe11> ikonia: this is the result for abraham user, the broken one
[19:04] <abe11> ikonia: abraham : abraham adm cdrom sudo dip plugdev lpadmin nopasswdlogin sambashare
[19:04] <k1l> abe11: there you go. put him out of the group "nopasswdlogin"
[19:04] <abe11> ikonia: I think I see the problem :)
[19:04] <abe11> ikonia: yup
[19:06] <abe11> ikonia: You're my savior. That was it. Thank you very much.
[19:06] <ANA__> ikoniaa pleas help me i did and is show me colud not support webcam...type archive manager cant open
[19:07] <k1l> ANA__: better ask in debian forums for help. seems like irc is too complicated for you.
[19:08] <ANA__> ok thank you
[19:12] <abe11> k1l: have to thank you too actually, I thought it was ikonia answering
[19:12] <k1l> abe11: np
[19:12] <Seveas> abe11: ikonia and k1l are secretly the same person
[19:13] <k1l> ;p
[19:13] <noframe> i feel lik a boss
[19:13] <noframe> like
[19:13] <abe11> Seveas: there you go haha
[19:13] <bagels> A/S/L??
[19:14] <keli> hi guys
[19:14] <k1l> bagels: not in here. better ask in ##chat
[19:14] <bagels> lol just kidding
[19:14] <noframe> i think its always about who has the biggest balls
[19:15] <k1l> noframe: not in here. this is technical ubuntu support only. please make sure to read the guidelines
[19:15] <noframe> ok sorry
[19:17] <Kireji> jyothis: thank you
[19:19] <ToeSnacks> I have some strange discrepancies with my drive space, 'df -h' shows that I have 7.8 gigs of the drive used but running 'du -hcs /*' only shows 3.1 in use.
[19:20] <QuaranTeen666> djdjd
[19:20] <QuaranTeen666> hi, kde reinstalling saves the users profiles and data?
[19:20] <poiuzxc> ToeSnacks: temp files or cache
[19:21] <ToeSnacks> poiuzxc: how would I clear that?
[19:21] <poiuzxc> ToeSnacks: restart
[19:22] <ToeSnacks> any other way?
[19:22] <ToeSnacks> is it likely due the deleted files staying locked?
[19:22] <QuaranTeen666> does kde reinstall saves the users profiles? urgent question
[19:25] <nicomachus> QuaranTeen666: why not just backup that info anyway just in case?
[19:26] <Kepa> QuaranTeen666, your /home folders are not touched when you install/uninstall things
[19:28] <sulfasal> any vundle users here? I'm trying to install vim-airline but when I do :PluginSearch it says it cant be found but I know it's on vim.org/scripts. Here's my .vimrc http://paste.ubuntu.com/14674036/
[19:29] <dash562_> k1l when you say manually remove the files you mean rm /boot/file ?
[19:30] <k1l> dash562_: yes. make enough space to let apt-get install -f run fine. then remove the kernel packages from the files you removed
[19:31] <dragoonis_> I'm having problems with this command
[19:31] <dragoonis_> RUN apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://pgp.mit.edu:80 --recv-keys 573BFD6B3D8FBC641079A6ABABF5BD827BD9BF62
[19:31] <dragoonis_> build	26-Jan-2016 19:28:33	[91mgpg: requesting key 7BD9BF62 from hkp server pgp.mit.edu
[19:31] <dragoonis_> build	26-Jan-2016 19:29:03	[0mgpgkeys: key 573BFD6B3D8FBC641079A6ABABF5BD827BD9BF62 can't be retrieved
[19:31] <dragoonis_> build	26-Jan-2016 19:29:03	[91mgpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
[19:32] <dragoonis_> Can someone advise on a working pgp server to use ?
[19:33] <MonkeyDust> dragoonis_  use a pastebin for multiple lines
[19:33] <dragoonis_> MonkeyDust, I did try to, but the gist URL didn't copy properly :)
[19:33] <garlic> k;j;j
[19:33] <MonkeyDust> dragoonis_  http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[19:33] <garlic> ?
[19:34] <MonkeyDust> garlic  it works, we see you
[19:34] <garlic> man
[19:34] <garlic> cant leave this place
[19:34] <garlic> nothing works
[19:34] <MonkeyDust> garlic  /part
[19:35] <wyre> hi guys! what is the better way to install android studio in Ubuntu 14.04?
[19:35] <wyre> maybe with ubuntu-make?
[19:37] <dragoonis_> MonkeyDust, can you help me with my key issue?
[19:37] <dragoonis_> provide me with a working keyserver
[19:37] <next47> рускоязычные есть???
[19:37] <MonkeyDust> !ru
[19:38] <dragoonis_> MonkeyDust, I see online that 'keyserver.ubuntu.com' is an option - but I don't know what the --recv-keys=X value should be
[19:38] <MonkeyDust> dragoonis_  don't address me, address the channel
[19:42] <dragoonis_>  I see online that 'keyserver.ubuntu.com' is an option - but I don't know what the --recv-keys=X value should be - can someone advise?
[19:44] <Mathisen> dragoonis_, gpg --keyserver hkp://keys.gnupg.net --recv-keys 94558F59
[19:45] <dragoonis_> Mathisen, thanks, can you explain to me how I know what the value opf recv-keys should be ?
[19:46] <wyre> hi guys! If I've got Ubuntu Developer Tools Center and I do an update will it convert in ubuntu-make?
[19:47] <wyre> or should I uninstall Ubuntu Developer Tools Center and then install Ubuntu-make?
[19:48] <xangua> wyre: http://m.webupd8.org/2015/01/ubuntu-make-04-released-with-go-support.html?m=1 didn't see my paste in the other channel?
[19:49] <dash562_> thanks k1l, That actually helped a lot. I mv'd the largest old kerners to /tmp and ran apt-get -f install. Now Im doing the purge.
[19:49] <wyre> xangua, oh, yes I was reading it
[19:49] <uio> Hi, trying to set up network printing with little success : the printer is Xerox WorkCentre 4250. I downloaded their linux driver from their website, but now don't know what to do the package...
[19:49] <wyre> but still I have the question if I should uninstall ubuntu developer tools center
[19:49] <dash562_> Still having issues with the purge though... :-/
[19:50] <dragoonis_> Mathisen, I used that key and I get an apt-get error about authentication failures
[19:50] <dragoonis_> "The following packages cannot be authenticated! nginx"
[19:52] <Mathisen> uio, what kind of file did you download ?
[19:53] <dragoonis_> I'm getting an apt-get error - can someone help? https://gist.github.com/dragoonis/9616235b5b4a410f167f
[19:54] <xangua> dragoonis_: this is Ubuntu support, not Debian
[19:54] <dragoonis_> I see.
[19:54] <yungBLUD> Can anyone tell me how to edit a file on a red-only file system? I've tried remounting the usb but i still get the read-only file system message.
[19:55] <uio> Mathisen: .tgz which I then extracted.
[19:55] <MoPac> How can I modify the gtk-3.0 files for Ambiance to eliminate the hover functionality for scrollbars? I want them to be like they are in 2.0 for me -- present when the page is bigger than the slider would be, absent otherwise, and unconcerned with where my cursor is hovering...
[19:55] <uio> Mathisen: http://www.support.xerox.com/support/workcentre-4250/file-download/frca.html?operatingSystem=linux&fileLanguage=fr&contentId=118059&from=downloads&viewArchived=false
[19:55] <Mathisen> uio, you can then just run the setup
[19:56] <uio> Mathisen: I clicked and... and nothing happens... I mean, I select 'execute' and nothing happens.
[19:56] <Mathisen> uio, if you open a terminal and go to the same locaton run in there ./setup
[19:57] <Mathisen> uio, if you cant run it chmod 777 setup then ./setup
[19:57] <uio> Mathisen: Sorry I don't understand; what is ./setup ?
[19:58] <MonkeyDust> Mathisen  don't advice chmod 777
[19:58] <Mathisen> MonkeyDust, sorry its just for a printer setup doh...
[19:59] <Mathisen> uio, ./setup is the thing you should type in a terminal
[20:00] <uio> Mathisen: Okay : so I get : lpstat: Aucune destination ajoutée. lpstat: Aucune destination ajoutée.
[20:01] <Mathisen> i dont understand that lang sorr
[20:01] <uio> Mathisen: French for 'no destination added'
[20:01] <Pici> uio: try: LANG=C ./setup
[20:02] <uio> pici thanks
[20:02] <uio> Mathisen: .lpstat: No destinations added. lpstat: No destinations added.
[20:02] <Pici> uio: not that I didn't doubt your translation, but sometimes its the specifics that matter :)
[20:03] <uio> Pici: Oh, I agree, sometimes the exact word is very important. I didn't know of that little LANG=c command.
[20:04] <Mathisen> uio, run it as root and >> sudo ./setup TEMP_PATHFORINSTALL
[20:05] <yungBLUD> Does anyone know how i can edit a file on a read-only file system? (usb stick)
[20:05] <uio> Mathisen: Sorry, so I need to specify a TEMP_PATHFORINSTALL ? Is this just the location in the download folde ?
[20:06] <OerHeks> yungBLUD, mount it correctly, and if it does not, the filesystem might be corrupt so it mounts readonly
[20:06] <Mathisen> uio, its better if you do this open the README file
[20:06] <OerHeks> yungBLUD, what filesystem is it?
[20:06] <Mathisen> uio, there are instructions there
[20:06] <yungBLUD> oerheks, it is a usb stick that i have write an iso to
[20:06] <Mathisen> uio, i checked myself
[20:07] <sacmt-uuiie> yungBLUD: you need unetbootin
[20:07] <yungBLUD> oerheks, its a new usb and is fine when i format it but read-only with the iso written to it but i need to edit a file
[20:07] <uio> Mathisen: Yes, I've been looking at it...
[20:07] <yungBLUD> sacmt-uuiie, if i write the iso with unetbootin it wont be readonly?
[20:07] <OerHeks> yungBLUD, that is normal.
[20:07] <sacmt-uuiie> yungBLUD: you will need to run with gksudo and the device must be unmounted
[20:08] <yungBLUD> oerheks, but i need to rename a file for it to work (its Hirens boot cd and a file has to be renamed and moved for it to work)
[20:08] <OerHeks> yung ugh... hirens is *higly* illegal, and not supported here.
[20:09] <yungBLUD> sacmt-uuiie, i have tried via command line with root to rename the file
[20:09] <yungBLUD> oerheks, why is it illegal?
[20:10] <OerHeks> yungBLUD, as it contains illegal software.
[20:10] <Pici> OerHeks: I wouldn't go that far....
[20:10] <OerHeks> use UBcd to fix stuff, that is a free tool cd
[20:10] <uio> OerHeks: Is that country specific like codecs ?
[20:10] <yungBLUD> oerheks, ahhh i see
[20:11] <yungBLUD> oerheks, ok so there is no way i can make this file system not read only without formatting?
[20:13] <OerHeks> yungBLUD, you need to edit the iso before burning to usb/cd/dvd i guess.
[20:14] <yungBLUD> oerheks thanks for your help
[20:16] <mattia> !list
[20:16] <klf> "Cursor Left or Right: moves the focus"
[20:16] <klf> Which key(s) corresponds to "Cursor Left/Right"?
[20:17] <oranged> no warez ahaha
[20:17] <oranged> is this 1999?
[20:20] <Dulcin> Hi, is it possible to switch OS on a dual boot while saving my ubuntu session?
[20:21] <Pici> klf: the left and right arrows on your keyboard.
[20:23] <rww> oranged: apparently. people join #ubuntu regularly trying to get them
[20:23] <gabriele> hi all
[20:23] <gabriele> this evening I'm trying to install my Nilox smart card reader on Ubuntu Wily, but unsuccessfully
[20:34] <doginal> whats the best way to watch dir and sub dir for changes?
[20:35] <doginal> im writing a bash script to unrar files
[20:36] <Pici> doginal: inotify is one way, the inotify-tools's package description suggests that you can use inotifywait for scripting.
[20:36] <OerHeks> doginal, inotify can, http://askubuntu.com/questions/541128/monitor-folder-contents-changes
[20:36] <doginal> alright
[20:37] <mcphail> doginal: incrontab does the job for you
[20:37] <doginal> lol so main different ways to watch a folder!
[20:37] <mcphail> doginal: incrontab is just a convenient way to use inotify
[20:37] <doginal> ahhh
[20:38] <doginal> ive seem both of those on SO
[20:42] <bishops> Hey guys is one can help me with this I'll be infinitely redeemable! I have a pdf file that is locked and needs adobe reader to open (I downloaded from a university library and it's supposed to have a loan/period on it). I tried all the possible ways to open it (pdftk, evince etc)
[20:42] <ttal> is it expected behaviour if you have a full screen app, to then middle-mouse click the panel above it and the app goes to the background?
[20:42] <bishops> anyone ideas of how to open/unlock it?
[20:43] <ttal> bishops: is it readable permissions-wise? check with ls -al
[20:45] <ttal> bishops: if you right-click the file > properties > permissions. is read / write enabled?
[20:45] <Bashing-om> ttal: my xfce4 that is the expected behavour .
[20:45] <bishops> ttal: i am not sure how to know that. ls -al gives only this: -rw-rw-r--  1 bishops bishops    2335815 Jan 26 10:11 People_Want.pdf
[20:47] <ttal> bishops: does it say permission denied? what happens when you try to open it?
[20:47] <bishops> ttal: And okular and document viewer ask for a password, which i obvsiouly don't have
[20:47] <bishops> ttal: it as for a document password
[20:47] <bishops> ask for*
[20:47] <ttal> bishops: a document password or an administrators password?
[20:48] <bishops> ttal: no document
[20:48] <bishops> i tried my password :)
[20:50] <ttal> bishops: hmm pdf is locked. i think when people lock a pdf it is encrypted until you provide the password. Maybe somebody else knows more than I do (likely).
[20:51] <bishops> ttal: ok thanks, i feel there is no way to work around. It's only adobe that has the password..
[20:51] <MoPac> How can I modify the gtk-3.0 files for Ambiance to eliminate the hover functionality for scrollbars? I want them to be like they are in 2.0 for me -- present when the page is bigger than the slider would be, absent otherwise, and unconcerned with where my cursor is hovering...
[20:51] <ttal> Bashing-om: thanks for that. It's annoying for me, I always have my browser open full screen and close tabs with middle click, and if I am just slightly too high the browser disappears..
[20:52] <BillD73> how do I loist out my listening ports?
[20:53] <mcphail> bishops: probably some kind of entrenched Adobe DRM. You could try running acrobat reader or digital editions under wine. The latter certainly works for DRM'ed epub books
[20:53] <nacc> BillD73: netstat -l?
[20:53] <Bashing-om> ttal: What desktop ? .. xfce is configurable for how that is handled .
[20:53] <nacc> BillD73: maybe netstat -lpn
[20:53] <BillD73> thats what I was looking for thx
[20:54] <ttal> unity @ Bashing-om
[20:55] <Bashing-om> ttal: With unity, I can not advise .
[20:56] <ttal> Bashing-om: I'm assuming it will be a gconf-editor tweak, will see if anyone else knows (how to disable windows lowering on Unity, when middle-mouse clicking the top panel; only with full-screen apps.)
[20:59] <ttal> for anyone else wanting to know how to acheive the above, the solution was: "gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences action-middle-click-titlebar 'none'"
[20:59] <MonkeyDust> ttal  in dconf-editor ... org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences
[21:00] <AlexPortable> How can I export an icon from a program in /usr/share/applications/ ?
[21:01] <mcphail> AlexPortable: what do you mean "export an icon"? The .desktop file will have a reference to the icon location
[21:03] <AlexPortable> Icon=printer
[21:03] <AlexPortable> can i just re-use this?
[21:03] <AlexPortable> noipe
[21:03] <AlexPortable> won't let me put that in
[21:04] <ttal> AlexPortable: that means its a standard system icon.
[21:04] <MonkeyDust> AlexPortable  do you want to use an icon you found in /usr/share/applications/ ?
[21:04] <AlexPortable> yes but how can i use it for folders?
[21:04] <AlexPortable> yes
[21:04] <AlexPortable> well, the printer icon
[21:04] <ttal>   /usr/share/icons
[21:05] <AlexPortable> and then?
[21:05] <ttal> or  /usr/share/icons/[theme]
[21:05] <AlexPortable> which theme?
[21:05] <MonkeyDust> AlexPortable  what do you want to do or achieve?
[21:05] <AlexPortable> ambience isn't listed
[21:05] <AlexPortable> use the printer icon for a folder or desktop shortcu
[21:05] <AlexPortable> t
[21:07] <AlexPortable> nevermind found it
[21:07] <MonkeyDust> simply click to folder properties, then click on the icon and choose one
[21:07] <MonkeyDust> to = on
[21:07] <AlexPortable> yes but the problem was where it was but i found it now
[21:07] <AlexPortable> thanks
[21:08] <ttal> AlexPortable: and where was it.. so others can learn.
[21:09] <ttal> so i can learn.
[21:09] <AlexPortable>  /usr/share/icons/Humanity/devices/48/printer.svg
[21:09] <triton> weber.freenode.net
[21:09] <ttal> AlexPortable: OK thanks.
[21:17] <Techknight> HI. Do any of you have experience with unantended upgrades?
[21:18] <Techknight> i was wondering if it is possible to use wildcards in the blacklist? so instead of blacklisting mysql-server mysql-clien then just blacklist mysql*
[21:19] <aturika> Hello!~
[21:20] <Techknight> hi
[21:20] <srbsoft> Hi everyone
[21:20] <aturika> who is at work right mew?
[21:20] <k1l_> !ot | aturika
[21:21] <dniMretsaM> Nice try boss
[21:21] <aturika> sorry ubottu
[21:21] <srbsoft> im at home, working
[21:21] <grkblood> im trying to install ubuntu server 14.04 LTS from a usb and im getting "no cahing mode page found, assuming drive cache: write through". the install wont go past this. how do i work around this issue?
[21:22] <nacc> Techknight: where are the blacklists specified?
[21:22] <awesomeone554> hey
[21:23] <awesomeone554> who has ubuntu studio?
[21:24] <Techknight> nacc, right here http://pastebin.com/CJWynJLj
[21:25] <k1l_> awesomeone554: some do. maybe you want to ask in #ubuntustudio
[21:26] <srbsoft> grkblood, What characteristic has your computer?
[21:27] <grkblood> not sure i understand the question srbsoft
[21:27] <nacc> Techknight: looking at the code, per http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1500630, i believe it does not support regexs
[21:27] <nacc> Techknight: actually, nm
[21:28] <nacc> Techknight: in Wily, at least, blacklist entries are regex
[21:28] <Techknight> nacc: Thanks I might think this is exactly what i was looking for!
[21:28] <nacc> Techknight: what release are you on?
[21:28] <Techknight> 14.04 LTS server
[21:29] <Techknight> nacc: Is thee any chance that you know why every .con file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d is starting with w two-digit number before the "real" name?
[21:30] <nacc> Techknight: that's a way to order them
[21:31] <aturika> I finally got VPN to work on my Ubuntu server after learning linux Sunday. ::applauds::
[21:31] <nacc> Techknight: http://askubuntu.com/questions/254137/etc-apt-apt-conf-d-priority-overrule-configuration-file/254617
[21:32] <Techknight> nacc, Aaarh i see! Thanks again!
[21:32] <rkan001> test
[21:32] <nacc> Techknight: on my quick read, i think it's a regex in trusty latest too
[21:32] <Techknight> damn :S
[21:32] <nacc> Techknight: probably worth testing in a VM to be sure
[21:33] <Techknight> year. I whink I will spin one up tomorrow for testing.
[21:35] <stacks88> how can i get the version of proftpd taht apt-get will install without installing it ? apt-cache policy something? I ran apt-cache policy proftpd but it just says installed none candidate none and version table is empty
[21:36] <nacc> stacks88: apt-cache show proftpd?
[21:36] <stacks88> N: Can't select versions from package 'proftpd' as it is purely virtual
[21:36] <stacks88> N: No packages found
[21:37] <nacc> stacks88: try proftpd-basic
[21:37] <stacks88> ok that works thx
[21:37] <k1l_> stacks88: you mean donwload the sourcecode?
[21:38] <nacc> k1l_: my reading was that stacks88 just wanted the version info
[21:38] <stacks88> correct
[21:38] <k1l_> apt-cache show packagename
[21:39] <TheNH813> anyone know why VLC's source will not find Luajit/Lua5.2 during ./configure
[21:39] <TheNH813> Oh..... NVM
[21:39] <TheNH813> Forgot to install the lua-dev package
[21:39] <TheNH813> ..
[21:40] <Techknight>  ;)
[21:40] <TheNH813> I do that all too often.
[21:40] <TheNH813> XD
[21:44] <borei> hi all
[21:45] <mrp> hi borei
[21:45] <borei> anybody familiar with dialog tools
[21:45] <xangua> ! Ask
[21:45] <borei> to create simple textbased ui
[21:45] <borei> i have issue with dialog --gauge
[21:46] <nicomachus> borei: that doesn't quite sound like a question for #ubuntu support
[21:46] <borei> true true, just general linux question
[21:46] <borei> shell programming
[21:46] <borei> well, will try to ask
[21:46] <borei> there is pipe
[21:46] <nicomachus> borei: don't try to ask.
[21:47] <nicomachus> it's not an ubuntu question.
[21:47] <borei> omg
[21:47] <borei> ok
[21:47] <nicomachus> perhaps try #bash
[21:48] <calimero_82> hi guys
[21:49] <Chrissem> Hey
[21:49] <calimero_82> how can i uninstall secure boot in E8601_H81M-K ? thanks
[21:50] <nicomachus> calimero_82: you don't uninstall it, you just need to disable it in your bios settings.
[21:50] <calimero_82> yes how nicomachus?
[21:50] <calimero_82> i'm in uefi bios where is that option?
[21:50] <nicomachus> calimero_82: well that's not really an ubuntu question, but I found this with google: https://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?id=20130418002927622&board_id=1&model=P8Z77-V&page=1&SLanguage=en-us
[22:09] <AlexPortable> anyone can tell me what there's in /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/50-ubuntu.conf by default?
[22:09] <thebwt> what release?
[22:12] <mrp> So I installed Ubuntu yesterday for the first time
[22:12] <mrp> And not had to boot into Windows at all since :)
[22:13] <AlexPortable> 14.04 lts
[22:13] <thebwt> mrp: congrats!
[22:13] <AlexPortable> or well, is the file differently for each version?
[22:14] <AlexPortable> i'm trying to make something thats universal accross lts releases
[22:14] <thebwt> AlexPortable: most probably not the same across 2 years of development
[22:14]  * thebwt is spinning up docker containers to see
[22:17] <BillD73> i want to completely remove deluge and all packages associated during its install is that apt-get remove or autoclean deluge ?
[22:18] <mrp> thebwt yeah is pretty damn nice :)
[22:19] <BillD73> nevermind autoclean is the old dld packages
[22:20] <thebwt> BillD73:  got it then?
[22:21] <BillD73> yep
[22:21] <BillD73> thx thebwt
[22:21] <thebwt> no sweat
[22:22] <thebwt> AlexPortable: that file isn't even owned by any package in 12.04
[22:22] <AlexPortable> lightdm was introduced later i think
[22:22] <thebwt> I thought it was from like lucid on...
[22:23] <thebwt> lightdm is in the repo for 12.04
[22:23] <thebwt> but 50-lightdm.conf <that's an init script isn't it?
[22:24] <thebwt> oh no, just defaults
[22:25] <thebwt> AlexPortable: 14.04 default: http://pastebin.com/C7JwkcQE
[22:27] <stacks88> how can i find out what package contains mysql.h ?
[22:27] <stacks88> (so that i can install it of course)
[22:27] <stacks88> package or packages
[22:28] <AlexPortable> thebwt: thanks :)
[22:28] <thebwt> apt-file search /path/to/file
[22:28] <HeavyVin> anyone know how to use flash on ubuntu??? I like free software but I need flash for school
[22:28] <thebwt> AlexPortable: it exists in 16.04, installing buntu-session to see it real quick
[22:28] <thebwt> HeavyVin: you have to use google chrome for it iirc
[22:29] <AlexPortable> proabbly the same in 16.04
[22:30] <thebwt> AlexPortable: it isn't
[22:30] <thebwt> AlexPortable: http://pastebin.com/YzG2AAvg
[22:31] <k1l_> stacks88: packages.ubuntu.com  search there
[22:31] <AlexPortable> well but basically the same
[22:31] <thebwt> :) famous last words
[22:31] <AlexPortable> Thanks :D
[22:31] <thebwt> no sweat ;)
[22:32] <squinty> stacks88,  http://packages.ubuntu.com/  --> Search the contents of packages
[22:35] <jdtech> hi
[22:35] <HeavyVin> thebtw: thank you!
[22:36] <mrp> im still not totally comfortable with how Unity does things
[22:36] <mrp> like it seems quite random how it picks up .desktop files in my .local folder
[22:37] <mrp> and I can't find a way to force it to rebuild its cache
[22:37] <k1l_> mrp: iirc a relogin helps
[22:38] <mrp> yeah it does
[22:38] <mrp> shame tho
[22:38] <mrp> should be simpler tbh
[22:38] <mrp> shouldnt need to logout and in again
[22:42] <jd_tech> how to make a shortcut on the desktop of a command line application?
[22:43] <jd_tech> without hunting down the executable file or coding my own .desktop file
[22:43] <mrp> just make a text file that calls the program and then make the script executable
[22:44] <mcphail> jd_tech: is making a .desktop file _really_ that hard??
[22:44] <jd_tech> you have to code that
[22:45] <mrp> only has to have like two entries tho
[22:45] <MonkeyDust> jd_tech  example: nano test ... type 'ls -l', save and exit ... chmod +x test ... then: './test'
[22:45] <calimero_82> bye guys
[22:45] <calimero_82> bye guys
[22:48] <MonkeyDust> jd_tech  disregard what i said, you want a desktop icon
[22:48] <mrp> http://i.imgur.com/pCRKfmo.jpg << my desktop :)
[22:48] <logy> hello everyone, i have a question. Is there a way i can keep ubuntu, fedora or manjaro on usb and use it like that. For example I have a 16 gb usb, I want to use it as a hard drive for my linux and if i make files or install software it stays even after i shutdown and take out the usb
[22:49] <mrp> logy yes, look up creating a persistent drive
[22:49] <DirtyDan> what happens if i run a game on steam that isnt supported by ubuntu?
[22:49] <mrp> DirtyDan it wont run
[22:49] <logy> mrp: thx
[22:50] <DirtyDan> alright just wanted to know if it will crash or somethin
[22:50] <DirtyDan> thx
[22:50] <mrp> steam shouldnt allow you to do it tbh
[22:50] <DirtyDan> it automatically wont allow me?
[22:51] <mrp> i would hope it knows it cant run something on linux if it isnt designed for linux
[22:51] <mrp> rather than waste time downloading something it cant use i mean
[22:51] <DirtyDan> alright im gonna go install bastion. thanks
[22:53] <FelixFire619> ok so i have a unique problem
[22:56] <FelixFire619> i have a hp laptop HP-g60-2210us i have a shattered screen, i cannot enable legacy mode i need to flash a usb drive with ubuntu proper install media and boot with it in the non-legacy mode, IF I AM NOT IN UEFI (or secure boot) i CANNOT see, utilize or do anything.
[22:56] <FelixFire619> Which version of ubuntu ISO can i download, rufus to usb and boot with in Secure, (I think uefi) mode?
[23:01] <FelixFire619> go figure
[23:07] <akkad> quite offten get a lot of 404 for Err http://security.ubuntu.com precise-security/main Sources.
[23:08] <oranged> if i'm running vnc through an ssh tunnelall traffic regardless of the protocol will be encrypted no?
[23:11] <rcc> hey guys, any ideas on why Lightdm would refuse to run display-setup-script?
[23:11] <k1l_> oranged: and ssh tunnel encrypts all traffic, yes
[23:11] <rcc> by the looks of it, it completely ignores it
[23:11] <oranged> k1l_, good to know
[23:12] <oranged> k1l_, the client warns me that the trafffic is unencrypted when i connect through the tunnel but it must just be complianing because the vnc encryption is not enabled
[23:14] <k1l_> oranged: vnc doesnt know it gets tunneled
[23:14] <oranged> k1l_, ; thats what i figured, thanks for confirming
[23:16] <sveinse> Ubuntu will still be using initrd in 16.04, right?
[23:16] <oranged> i also wonder how many people have nothing better to do than probe swathes of ip ranges to find a lone linux box with a single open port
[23:17] <k1l_> oranged: too many.
[23:17] <oranged> and attempt to login with a user and password when password logins are not even enabled
[23:18] <oranged> it seems ubuntu and ubnt are favourite username choices
[23:22] <mcphail> oranged: that is automated (and coordinated) behaviour - not individual users doing it manually. Use fail2ban, denyhosts or similar
[23:22] <oranged> mcphail, i'll check those out
[23:25] <cesar_> hi
[23:25] <oranged> hi
[23:25] <Guest21588> hi oranged
[23:25] <Guest21588> where u from oranged?
[23:26] <Guest21588> hoooooooooooooooolaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[23:26] <ynix77> Does Software Updater accomplish the same thing as `sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade -y`?
[23:26] <mcphail> Guest21588: stop that please. This is the ubuntu support channel
[23:27] <k1l_> Guest21588: this channel is ubuntu support only. if you want to chat please try #ubuntu-offtopic or ##chat
[23:27] <k1l_> ynix77: no. use "apt-get dist-upgrade" to get all packages like new kernels
[23:27] <Guest21588> quien desarrolla en android?
[23:27] <Guest21588> who dev in android here?
[23:27] <mcphail> ynix77: almost. Don't trust it to upgdate before the upgrade, if yo haven't run it for a while
[23:28] <k1l_> Guest21588: #android-dev dos
[23:28] <k1l_> *does
[23:28] <Guest21588> k1l?
[23:29] <rcc> hello, any ideas on how to run a custom display setup script with lightdm?
[23:30] <QuaranTeen666> is any way to migrate from kubuntu to ubuntu?
[23:30] <rcc> I tried everything but nothing seems to work and the log file never mentions even trying to run a script
[23:30] <mcphail> QuaranTeen666: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[23:30] <k1l_> QuaranTeen666: install the "ubuntu-desktop" package
[23:31] <MaryAnne> can somoene help me with my new server?  I have drive that is not mounted.  I want to add this drive and have it part of my home disk
[23:31] <welovfree> How can I set system to shutdown after n minutes?
[23:31] <akkad> MaryAnne: it show up in /proc/disks?
[23:31] <QuaranTeen666> ok ill try but apt get didnt work well for me. 404 error packages dobt know how 2 solve
[23:31] <MaryAnne> akkad: thank you for replying back
[23:31] <akkad> Maryanne: /proc/devices can you gist thaT?
[23:32] <mcphail> welovfree: sudo shutdown -h <time>
[23:32] <k1l_> QuaranTeen666: put the command and output into a paste.ubuntu.com and show the link here
[23:32] <MaryAnne> akkad: do you mind if i pm you?
[23:32] <QuaranTeen666> i cant, because desktop doent loading
[23:33] <QuaranTeen666> some driver errors or maybe other
[23:35] <welovfree> mcphail, I can't exit the terminal, or it's gonna be canceled right?
[23:36] <MaryAnne> akkad: ?
[23:38] <mcphail> welovfree: I think so. Haven't actually thought about that as I usually am using "sudo shutdown -h now". Not sure if the "at" command persists when terminal is closed
[23:44] <TiCPU> I noticed that nice'ed process do not appear in top as using NI%, that seems to be the case for quite a while now (maybe a year), is there anything that changed about that?
[23:47] <davido_> When I have two instances of Firefox opened, it seems that I'm only able to gain typing focus in the newest one.
[23:49] <davido_> If it's an issue others have seen, I seem to not be composing search terms that turn up any information on the subject.
[23:50] <k1l_> davido_: when clicking on the launcher or alt+tab?
[23:51] <davido_> It doesn't seem to matter how I shift focus. I can click on the browser window directly, for example. But the input boxes in the first browser instance won't gain a cursor if the second browser instance has one.
[23:52] <ubuntuhlep> Help ... have ubuntu 15.10 installed... full encryption ... but when I reboot it see the screen where I would put password but I can see the password up in the top left corner inplain text but nothing happens.
[23:52] <ubuntuhlep> This happens after I install the nvidia drivers fro my 980
[23:52] <davido_> So for example if I have a gmail document open for editing in one browser instance, and then I open a new instance of firefox and begin working on some other thing that has text input. I can't ever resume typing that email in the first window until the second is closed.
[23:53] <mcphail> davido_: text entry into firefox has always been odd, often due to ibus issues. What is your native language? Are you using an extended input method?
[23:53] <davido_> native English. To my knowledge I'm not using any extended input method.
[23:55] <mcphail> davido_: I can't reproduce that here, but did previously have issues with the Tor browser not accepting input unless I forced the input method. how are you opening the 2nd firefox instance? Are you using firefox from the default repos? WHich version of Ubuntu?
[23:57] <davido_> ubuntu 14.04 LTS. Firefox 43.0.4 from default repos.
[23:58] <davido_> And it doesn't matter whether I open the instance by right-clicking the launcher and requesting a new window, or whether I drag a tab out of an existing window.
[23:59] <ubuntuhlep> oh well I guess its back to windows.
[23:59] <mcphail> davido_: if you type "ibus stop" in a terminal, do you still get the same problems?
[23:59] <davido_> this is my work laptop. I can't recall if I have the same issue with 15.10 at home.