[01:19] <skellat> jrgifford: September 13th & 14th for OLF...not this weekend.
[01:19] <jrgifford> skellat: oh, still, enjoy. :P
[01:20] <Unit193> jrgifford: I'm sure they'll make sure to get on IRC and ping you 100+ times.
[01:22] <skellat> Unit193: I don't know.  Jorge Castro will be doing the AskUbuntu presentation.  Wireless access there has hopefully improved since 2011 but, if not, there won't be me on IRC to worry about.
[01:23] <jrgifford> Jorge Castro will probably try to coerce me into making a guest appearance via G+ hangouts or something.
[01:24] <skellat> jrgifford: I still need to bug Moose about whether or not the projectors situation was taken care of.  No projector, no worry on that front.
[01:24] <jrgifford> heh
[01:24] <jrgifford> ok.jpg
[01:25] <skellat> No projector would also result in my making a big sign in a hurry stating: MUST BRING OWN NOTEPAD AND PENCILS/PENS TO TAKE NOTES
[01:26] <skellat> It would be like me preaching down by the river...again...
[02:34] <dzho> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/09/msg00126.html  eek
[02:34] <jenni> [ ANNOUNCEMENT: Intel processor microcode security update ] - https://j.mp/1dENEFR
[21:20] <skellat> ACTION REQUIRED<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:20] <jenni> [ [Ubuntu-us-ohio] ACTION REQUIRED: Ohio Linux Fest 2013 Update ] - https://j.mp/15vuQAK
[21:44] <Unit193> drkokandy: Welcome back.


[01:59] <philipballew> Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!
[02:01] <nhaines> Reminder: birds are dinosaurs.
[02:02] <philipballew> Does that mean they are as scary as a t-rex nhaines
[02:11] <nhaines> It means that you may have sat down to roast dino tonight.
[02:13] <philipballew> I wonder if putting killed a dinosaur on a resume would look good... lol
[04:15] <broder> whatever they are they're delicious
[04:16]  * philipballew agrees and high fives broder
[04:16] <broder> happy thanksgiving :)
[07:29] <bkerensa> happy thanksgiving!


[09:09] <Fudge> Hi, I'd like to remove Bug #1297447  as I do not know why, but the bug does not seem to exist anymore, this has been confirmed.
[09:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1297447 in notify-osd (Ubuntu) "Notify-osd fails to send messages to accessibility when using Gnome-orca" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1297447
[09:10] <Fudge> Please advise me hwo to do this, or feel free to do it for me.
[09:17] <Fudge> actually plese discard
[09:20] <jibel> Fudge, you cannot "remove" a bug however you can set it to 'Fix Released' if it doesn't exist anymore or 'Invalid' if it was not a bug
[09:20] <Fudge> jibel:  thank you, sorry for the hassle
[09:20] <jibel> Fudge, np
[10:03] <Fudge> some good info there, short though
[10:03] <Fudge> oops wrong window


  Yesterday was hot, hopefully today will be a bit cooler.
[08:11] <willcooke> hey seb128, good!  The kids all slept right through the night, but I still feel tired :D
[08:11] <willcooke> not as tired as you I expect
[08:11] <seb128> lucky you :p
[08:12] <seb128> I got pulled out of bed at 6am today
[08:12] <seb128> one of those days...
[08:12] <willcooke> heh
[08:12] <willcooke> only another 18 years to go
[08:12] <seb128> haha
[08:13] <seb128> on the positive side I was done with emails backlog&such at 7
[08:13] <willcooke> hah
[08:14] <willcooke> seb128, let me fix that for you... in 3,2,1..
[08:15]  * seb128 puts the finger over the delete key
[08:15] <seb128> k, I'm reading, send away!
[08:15] <seb128> ready*
[08:15] <willcooke> sec
[08:16] <chrisccoulson> willcooke, yeah, I hope so :)
[08:21] <willcooke> chrisccoulson, before your time?  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-40516754
[08:31] <willcooke> seb128, didrocks - did you see:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1686393
[08:32] <willcooke> we're unblocked
[08:32] <didrocks> nice! do you know if kenvandine[m][m] did the seemless transition from lightdm to gdm?
[08:33] <didrocks> (not really clear on the trello card)
[08:33] <seb128> he mentioned being working on him when I talked to him on friday
[08:33] <seb128> or monday it was
[08:33] <seb128> then he was off for 4th of july
[08:33] <seb128> him->it
[08:34] <didrocks> ok, so let's wait for him. I don't think we should seed it with the prompt before this is and the session transition is done
[08:34] <didrocks> hopefully, he's already done on that, as it could be done in parallel than the MIR :)
[08:35] <didrocks> (I can give a hand if needed on this)
[08:35]  * didrocks tries to go for a run before it's getting to warm. Couldn't run at all this week
[08:36] <seb128> didrocks, enjoy
[08:36] <seb128> didrocks, he mentioned that he had things mostly working but was having issues with debconf
[08:36] <didrocks> seb128: 27°C, will be 31°C very soon. I'll "try" to enjoy :)
[08:36] <seb128> so let's see when he gets online
[08:36] <willcooke> I think he got it done, one sec
[08:36] <didrocks> yeah ;)
[08:36] <didrocks> there are two things:
[08:36] <didrocks> - silent debconf
[08:36] <didrocks> - session mapping (even for encrypted ones)
[08:37] <didrocks> drive*
[08:38] <willcooke> meh, cant find it - but I've a feeling it's either done or nearly done
[08:39] <didrocks> great! Will be nice to switch it today to see the result on tomorrow's iso
[08:39] <didrocks> and continue on demotion/unseeding
[08:39]  * didrocks really goes now
[08:39] <seb128> brb, restarting IRC with vpn
[08:39] <seb128> still a bit sad to see lightdm being replaced
[08:39] <seb128> oh well
[08:39] <seb128> didrocks, enjoy
[08:39] <didrocks> thx
[08:41] <seb128> oSoMoN, so that kernel issue is mostly understood and in the hands of the kernel team now? or do they still want a testcase?
[08:41] <oSoMoN> seb128, it’s in their hands, and it appears there's already some work upstream to fix that
[08:42] <seb128> oSoMoN, great news :-)
[08:42] <oSoMoN> so hopefully within a few days we should have an updated kernel in proposed that unblocks us
[08:45] <ricotz> seb128, oSoMoN, hey :), note this fixed kernel needs to be in builder vm
[08:46] <seb128> of course
[08:46] <oSoMoN> ricotz, yes indeed, but once it’s in proposed we will be able to test it and validate whether it fixes the crash
[08:47] <ricotz> right, I assumed this kernel needs to be transitioned from proposed to be picked up by the builder-vm
[08:47] <oSoMoN> and it’s not just the build that fails, it’s also the app itself that crashes on x86 under certain circumstances when the JVM is enabled
[08:47] <ricotz> I know
[08:47] <ricotz> fingers crossed this get fixed soon :)
[08:47] <oSoMoN> yup
[08:50] <chrisccoulson> willcooke, I'm old enough to remember grotbags :)
[08:53] <willcooke> :)
[09:05] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, hey :), https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rustc/+bug/1701556
[09:07] <seb128> ricotz, he's off for the rest of the week
[09:08] <ricotz> seb128, hi, I see
[09:09] <chrisccoulson> ricotz, yeah, I'm aware of that. I just need somewhere I can prepare the transition (it needs to be updated to 1.16 / 0.17 first, and then eventually binary copied to the security PPA)
[09:12] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, ok, I already monkey-updated/patched cargo to 1.19 to get nightly builds on artful
[09:28] <oSoMoN> seb128, chrisccoulson: FYI the chromium 59 update is crashing at startup for a number of users, details in bug #1702407
[09:28] <seb128> urg
[09:29] <oSoMoN> I’m actively looking into it
[09:29] <seb128> thanks oSoMoN
[09:32] <seb128> bah
[09:32] <seb128> jbicha, could you push your most recent gnome-control-center revision to the vcs?
[09:33] <seb128> brb
[09:43] <Trevinho> andyrock: good luck https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/x-sru5/+merge/326916 :)
[09:44] <Trevinho> andyrock: and... i'd need some help to update the bugs to be SRU friendly too
[09:51] <seb128> hey andyrock Trevinho
[09:51] <Trevinho> hi seb128
[10:10]  * Trevinho feels dirty: just used some browser macros to do launchpad actions instead of using APIs :|
[10:12] <andyrock> Trevinho: kk
[10:12] <andyrock> and hey
[10:24] <duflu> Awesome. In figuring out initialization failures I seem to have also found the cause of video corruption elsewhere.
[10:24] <duflu> Time for a celebratory meal
[10:25] <Trevinho> dupondje: yeah
[10:26] <Trevinho> err sorruy, duflu*
[11:53] <GunnarHj> didrocks: Hi Didier! Thanks for approving 'your' part of the MP. As regards usb-langsupport, and even if you tried to explain it on the MP, I still don't understand the purpose well enough to formulate a proper question. Hence it would be good if you could post to the -devel ML about it.
[11:57] <didrocks> GunnarHj: yw! yeah, I'll check first on next team meeting if anyone has any use of it. I'm almost sure even QA don't try it
[11:58] <didrocks> we'll can kick it off anytime on the -devel ML, I can handle that next week. But yeah, let's not block on that
[11:58] <GunnarHj> didrocks: Ok, thanks!
[11:58] <didrocks> yw, thanks for working on this! :)
[12:01] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Hi Jeremy! Ready to approve the rest of the MP, including the sync of fonts with pkg_depends, and merge it?
[12:01] <GunnarHj> https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.artful_lang-support/+merge/326261
[12:12] <andyrock> Trevinho: do you have a ppa for the sru? on bileto?
[12:12] <andyrock> found it sorry
[12:28] <Trevinho> andyrock: yeah. it's there thanks
[12:28] <andyrock> still building unity
[12:31] <Trevinho> andyrock: yep
[12:31] <Trevinho> as i forgot to do it before lunchj
[12:31] <Trevinho> andyrock: I've packages but.... I guess you can wait a sec
[12:32] <andyrock> yeah otherwise I can build it too
[12:32] <Trevinho> it's already at the test stage
[12:32] <andyrock> but I didn't want to build compiz+nux+etc.
[12:32] <Trevinho> will finish in 5 minutes amx
[12:32] <Trevinho> max*
[12:32] <Trevinho> yeah..
[12:32]  * Trevinho prepares a unity7 snap :)
[12:32]  * Trevinho jokes, but not so much
[12:33] <Trevinho> would perfect for classic
[12:34] <didrocks> Trevinho: you can read my "trip" to classic snap with ubuntu make :)
[12:34] <didrocks> (part 1 published on planet ubuntu, you can read the rest on github until published if you want)
[12:34] <Trevinho> didrocks: I will, although I already have some experiencve with it, but interesting indeed
[12:35] <didrocks> there are some interesting thinking I guess on 14.04 & 17.04 snaps ;)
[12:36] <didrocks> (part 3)
[12:36] <Trevinho> andyrock: ok packages are there https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/2841/+build/12858897
[12:38] <Trevinho> didrocks: where's the rest of the story in gh?
[12:43] <didrocks> Trevinho: https://github.com/didrocks/website/tree/master/content/blog
[12:44] <didrocks> (static websites ftw!)
[13:08] <jibel> didrocks, did you do the change to migrate u-c-c to g-c-c?
[13:11] <jibel> didrocks, the key is unity-control-center.desktop not ubuntu-control-center.desktop
[13:13] <didrocks> jibel: argh, probably typoed, sorry :/
[13:13] <jibel> np
[13:13] <Trevinho> didrocks: thanks :)
[13:13] <didrocks> jibel: doing it right now
[13:14] <jibel> thanks
[13:14] <didrocks> jibel: ofc, same scripts, so people who already migrated won't see that change
[13:15] <kenvandine> cyphermox_, the security team ack'd bug 1686393 so i reassigned it back to you
[13:15] <Trevinho> didrocks: it looks like I'm able also to run snapcraft to build classic inside a scrhoot now... but I had to bind mount manually the core, once I bind mounted the snap dir from host
[13:15] <didrocks> kenvandine: why is it reassigned back to cyphermox_, he did +1 if security was happy about it, isn't it? Isn't that just a question
[13:15] <didrocks> of us promoting it?
[13:15] <kenvandine> oh, maybe he did
[13:16] <didrocks> that's the normal procedure
[13:16] <didrocks> so, now, it's up to us to seed it if the migration is handled :)
[13:17] <kenvandine> didrocks, i'd still prefer cyphermox_  mark it fix committed :)
[13:17] <kenvandine> i'll go ahead and update the seed
[13:17] <didrocks> kenvandine: well, technically I can as he's on holidays :)
[13:17] <didrocks> kenvandine: all the transition is done?
[13:18] <kenvandine> yeah
[13:18] <didrocks> I think it will be good to get an image tomorrow with that done so that we can move it forward
[13:18] <kenvandine> not uploaded yet
[13:18] <didrocks> nice!
[13:18] <kenvandine> i can do that today
[13:18] <didrocks> jibel: uploaded
[13:18] <didrocks> (sorry again)
[13:18] <didrocks> kenvandine: just being curious, how did you handle the "I install gdm after the fact and have lightdm, but want a debconf prompt"?
[13:18]  * didrocks is interested :)
[13:19] <kenvandine> didrocks, it's a combination of postint in ubuntu-session and gdm
[13:19] <didrocks> interesting :)
[13:19] <kenvandine> ubuntu-session checks to see if any user on the system uses the ubuntu session
[13:19] <didrocks> I guess if current user session is ubuntu-session as we discussed…
[13:19] <kenvandine> not just current, any user
[13:19] <didrocks> yep, what I did propose on the card IIRC
[13:20] <kenvandine> yup
[13:20] <didrocks> still some false positive
[13:20] <kenvandine> if any use it, we touch a file
[13:20] <didrocks> but couldn't come up with anything else
[13:20] <didrocks> and then debconf script check that file
[13:20] <kenvandine> i think it was laney that suggested we do it in ubuntu-session
[13:20] <didrocks> and don't show the question, correct?
[13:20] <kenvandine> yeah
[13:20] <didrocks> yeah, I didn't suggest package, I still wonder about order, did you force anything on gdm?
[13:21] <didrocks> to see "we need ubuntu-session postinst before gdm"
[13:21] <kenvandine> gdm will prompt in the case ubuntu-session didn't flag it
[13:21] <kenvandine> yes
[13:21]  * didrocks is eager to test :)
[13:21] <kenvandine> made gdm depend on ubuntu-session
[13:21] <didrocks> sounds exciting
[13:22] <kenvandine> :)
[13:22] <didrocks> kenvandine: want me to promote gdm so that it's done, and you can upload/update the seeds?
[13:22] <kenvandine> i'm going to do one more round of tests in a VM today before i upload it
[13:22] <kenvandine> didrocks, please do
[13:22] <didrocks> let's gooooooooooo
[13:22] <kenvandine> woot
[13:23] <willcooke> \o/
[13:25] <didrocks> *DONE* next publisher cycle would have it
[13:26]  * kenvandine merges gnome-session branch again :)
[13:26] <willcooke> nice, exciting times ahead
[13:26] <didrocks> kenvandine: I guess as you are going to test that will be fine, but wait for rmadison to show gdm3 in main before uploading, or there is a race and we'll need to repromote it twice (once in proposed, once in the release pocket)
[13:26] <kenvandine> didrocks, ok
[13:26] <didrocks> kenvandine: who did just push for a u-c-c rename? I wonder :)
[13:27] <kenvandine> i wonder
[13:42] <Trevinho> didrocks: on Fixing by using snap internal dependencies, actually the best solution is just to use snapcraft-preload so far IMHO :)
[13:42] <Trevinho> as you don't have to worry about all the env variables
[13:42] <didrocks> Trevinho: got a load of issues with it some months ago
[13:42] <didrocks> I didn't really retry since then
[13:42] <Trevinho> didrocks: oh, like? I'd like to address those
[13:43] <didrocks> Trevinho: gettext not looking at the right paths and such, I guess that were uncovered syscalls
[13:44] <didrocks> kenvandine: I promoted at the right moment! Already in main :)
[13:44] <Trevinho> didrocks: might be... for qt apps for example it worked like a charm https://github.com/nextcloud/client_theming/blob/master/linux/snap/snapcraft.yaml
[13:44] <kenvandine> i saw that :)
[13:45] <Trevinho> didrocks: it used not to work in X some months ago though, but I've fixed it
[13:45] <didrocks> kenvandine: can't wait to see the remaining indicators off the live :)
[13:46] <didrocks> Trevinho: probably at that time, TBH, I didn't retry since
[13:46] <Trevinho> give that a look, it helps a lot.
[13:46] <didrocks> Trevinho: if we are pretty confident about it, why not having the desktop helper removing some variables override and using this?
[13:46] <Trevinho> actually I would love to do a snapcraft part using that for desktop, but...
[13:46] <Trevinho> didrocks: I wanted to, but seb128 isn't much confident on that since it increases the syscall's amount.
[13:46] <didrocks> Trevinho: I guess you are looking at a relative path, and if not found, the system one?
[13:47] <Trevinho> which is true, but in my benchmarks it wasn't really something noticeable
[13:47] <didrocks> we already have a lot of -1 open() calls when stracing… (even due to those env variables)
[13:48] <didrocks> Trevinho: could we add 2 paths, like relative snap one, then another one (like the platform snap one) before it defaults to system ones?
[13:48] <Trevinho> didrocks: yep.. . That's the plan
[13:48] <Trevinho> didrocks: but there is a bug in apparmor which gives some false positive
[13:49] <Trevinho> didrocks: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/apparmor/+bug/1655435
[13:49] <Trevinho> didrocks: so due to that in some cases we can't be as efficent as we could be, as we get that snapcraft can stat something that it can't actually open
[13:50] <Trevinho> didrocks: but in any case I think that the overhead of that tool isn't really much, and I've rewritten it to C++(14) also so it's really easy to maintain avoiding issues
[13:50] <didrocks> oh yeah, will be good to get it fixed before switching it on, indeed
[13:51] <seb128> I really dislike that preload hack
[13:51] <seb128> hope that doesn't become default or standard
[13:51] <seb128> it's such a hack
[13:51] <didrocks> not as much as env variables?
[13:51] <didrocks> quite some hack level to me, no?
[13:51] <didrocks> same*
[13:52] <seb128> I feel like intercepting syscalls is lower level and has more potential for real bugs
[13:52] <seb128> when env can't not really be harmful
[13:52] <Trevinho> mh, yeah... but also very controllable.
[13:52] <seb128> also env is well defined
[13:52] <Trevinho> I mean we know what's happening
[13:52] <Trevinho> the problem with env's is that there are too many
[13:52] <Trevinho> and out of our control
[13:52] <seb128> where when you start derailing syscalls you might impact things you didn't think about
[13:52] <Trevinho> fixing 1 instead of 1000
[13:53] <seb128> I'm reading to bet that you are going to hit weird cases you didn't think about with the syscall hacking
[13:56] <Trevinho> It's true... It's just that it's a different path we can follow, allowing both the cases.. I'm not in the idea of setting is as default, but adding something like desktop-gtk3-preload as option
[13:56] <Trevinho> then we see
[13:56] <didrocks> hum, adding a part will add confusion
[13:56] <didrocks> it's either we replace or we don't IMHO
[13:57] <didrocks> but don't give too much options that developers won't care/just get confused with IMHO
[13:57] <seb128> I guess my main issue is that it's an hack on low level stack and those might bite you back one day since they are doing undocumented things
[13:57]  * didrocks would like /usr to be really /usr in snaps
[13:57] <seb128> where the env thing is an hack
[13:57] <seb128> but those env variables are documented
[13:58] <seb128> and there is little risk that they fire back
[13:58] <seb128> don't mess up with libc level also :p
[13:58] <seb128> yeah, /usr to be at the correct place would make things easier
[14:02] <seb128> Trevinho is laaaate
[14:03] <didrocks> but he was preload*ed* :)
[14:22] <jbicha> didrocks: can I go ahead and replace unity-greeter/lightdm with gdm3 in ubuntu-desktop?
[14:23] <jbicha> I just merged Gunnar's language MP
[14:25] <seb128> jbicha, no
[14:26] <didrocks> jbicha: kenvandine is doing a last round of testing and doing it
[14:26] <seb128> jbicha, doesn't seem polite to hijack the transition from somebody who is doing it and testing to upload instead of them
[14:26] <kenvandine> jbicha, i need to upload gnome-session and gdm first
[14:27] <seb128> also Ken said he was testing and would upload, see backlog
[14:27] <kenvandine> i guess it doesn't have to be first...
[14:27] <kenvandine> but i was going to
[14:28] <jbicha> sorry, I didn't see the backlog
[14:28] <jbicha> didrocks: did we want to do Gunnar's language changes now or should we just do one thing at a time?
[14:29] <didrocks> jbicha: hum, I would like to have an image with gdm first if possible
[14:29] <didrocks> and that one on the next one
[14:30] <didrocks> so that we can see additional packages and such
[14:30] <didrocks> making sense?
[14:30] <seb128> jbicha, in case you didn't read backlog, can you push your g-c-c changes to the vcs
[14:30] <jbicha> didrocks: that's fine, I'll revert Gunnar's changes for now then
[14:30] <didrocks> thx!
[14:34] <jbicha> seb128: done, thanks
[14:34] <seb128> jbicha, thank you
[14:35] <Trevinho> seb128, didrocks : so... ./plugins/xsettings/gsd-xsettings-manager.c... by migrating first and patching this code to use a different key we can fix things I think
[14:36] <Trevinho> it's thing I should have had in the past actually... but it should work
[14:37] <Trevinho> i'll check it later
[14:37] <seb128> thanks
[14:37] <didrocks> Trevinho: excellent! Please once you do it, add me to the card so that I handle the pre-migration stuff
[14:38] <didrocks> hum, that will be interesting with the wayland session…
[14:38] <didrocks> as the migration script can run twice, we'll see¿
[14:38] <Trevinho> didrocks: nope, as that only uses xsettings to inform gtk
[14:38] <didrocks> yeah, but I mean, migration-wise
[14:38] <Trevinho> ah
[14:38] <Trevinho> ok
[14:38] <didrocks> the migation is per session
[14:38] <didrocks> I'll deal with it
[14:41] <jbicha> seb128: your g-c-c upload is a bit broken
[14:41] <seb128> jbicha, because of the missing C/R/P?
[14:41] <seb128> or something else?
[14:41] <jbicha> yes and it's missing the final 's' from gnome-control-center-face.install
[14:41] <jbicha> faces
[14:42] <seb128> ?
[14:42] <seb128> facess?
[14:42] <jbicha> the package is gnome-control-center-faces but you have a gnome-control-center-face.install
[14:42] <seb128> ah, the filename
[14:42] <seb128> doh
[14:42] <seb128> thanks for spotting that
[14:42] <seb128> I was already commiting a fix for the C/R/P
[14:42] <seb128> going to rename as well
[14:44] <didrocks> and then, u-c-c off main! :)
[14:44] <didrocks> this is the big package archive gambling this week :)
[14:44] <seb128> :-)
[14:45] <jbicha> seb128: are you going to have u-c-c-faces be a transitional package?
[14:45] <seb128> jbicha, new revision uploaded, hopefully better
[14:45] <seb128> no
[14:45] <seb128> why?
[14:45] <seb128> g-c-c-faces provides it
[14:45] <jbicha> I'm not sure when transitional packages are required, but I think it might be better to have it than not
[14:45] <seb128> so just going to drop it from u-c-c
[14:45] <seb128> Provides should work fine as long as we don't have versioned depends on it
[14:45] <jbicha> provides alone does not ensure the upgrade happens
[14:45] <seb128> which I don't think we have
[14:46] <seb128> right
[14:46] <seb128> but g-c-c recommends g-c-c-faces
[14:46] <seb128> that should work
[14:46] <seb128> if it turns out to be problematic for some reason we can add back a transitional
[14:46] <seb128> but the case is easy enough that I think it should work
[14:47] <seb128> it gets trickier when you have several solutions apt can choose to a problem
[14:47] <jbicha> ok, I was just wondering
[14:47] <seb128> but I don't think it's complex enough to be an issue in that case
[14:47] <seb128> well, it's always difficult to say
[14:47] <seb128> so let's see what upgrade tests say
[15:02] <kenvandine> i think dropping unity-greeter will allow demoting all the indicators
[15:03] <seb128> that's what we think as well
[15:03] <didrocks> and another part of Qt
[15:03] <seb128> :-)
[15:03] <didrocks> (not all, due to fcitx)
[15:04] <didrocks> so yeah, that's why I'm eager to see that effect :)
[15:04] <kenvandine> :)
[15:10] <kenvandine> didrocks, seb128, jbicha: seed updated
[15:10] <kenvandine> remember, you can't blame me if we don't have images tomorrow :-D
[15:11] <didrocks> ohhhhh /me removes all his premade jokes in his note
[15:11] <kenvandine> lol
[15:16] <seb128> \o/
[15:16] <seb128> didrocks, oh, and thanks for the binNEW reviews
[15:17] <didrocks> yw ;)
[15:23] <seb128> jbicha, GunnarHj, didrocks, I rolled artful langpacks today and upgraded now, gnome-shell is correctly translated in french now
[15:26] <didrocks> nice!
[16:03] <jbicha> seb128: thanks!
[16:03] <seb128> yw!
[16:03] <jbicha> I guess we need to add X-Ubuntu-Use-Langpack to all the Unity packages or something?
[16:03] <seb128> that would be nice
[16:44] <jbicha> seb128: please subscribe the Desktop bug teams to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/spice-vdagent/ for LP: #1200296
[16:46] <seb128>  jbicha, done
[16:50] <jbicha> pitti: did you see that were pinged on https://bugzilla.gnome.org/690866 ?
[17:19] <willcooke> night all
[19:16] <ahayzen> Hi, I've been trying wayland on Ubuntu GNOME 17.04, and I've found that QtCreator crashes when trying to open a file dialog, this appears to be fixed upstream in Qt and in Fedora 25. Any chance this can be patched in Ubuntu as well ? I've reported bug 1702741 to track it.
[19:24] <jbicha> ahayzen: oh maybe that's what I saw months ago with LP: #1657924
[19:25] <ahayzen> jbicha, could be related
[19:25] <jbicha> VBox is the only Qt app I use
[19:33] <jbicha> hmm, it was fixed in Debian in January :|


[02:34] <bbordwell> !info gnome-codec-install
[02:34] <ubot2> bbordwell: gnome-codec-install (source: gnome-codec-install): GStreamer codec installer. In component main, is optional. Version 0.4.2ubuntu2 (lucid), package size 20 kB, installed size 600 kB
[02:34] <bbordwell> Does anyone know if gnome-codec install is an offical part of gnome? I can not find it on gnome bugzilla
[03:36] <subledub> in the Ubuntu netbok edition, i loose Applications menu , but i still have Système
[03:36] <subledub> and in System/Preferences/Principal Menu : doesn't work anymore
[03:37] <subledub> i clic on byobu menu before crash
[03:37] <subledub> but i was also installing software
[03:37] <subledub> so i dont know what is the cause
[03:40] <ddecator_> subledub: this channel is related to bug reporting and triage, support is on #ubuntu or #ubuntu-beginners :)
[03:43] <subledub> ok, sorry :/
[03:43] <ddecator_> subledub: no problem, just wanted to help you find help :)
[03:44] <subledub> thx a lot :)
[09:33] <arjunak01> can someone take a look at this bug, 597639
[09:33] <lifeless> bug 597639
[09:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 597639 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "nautrilus crashes on opening /usr/bin (affects: 1) (heat: 391)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/597639
[09:33] <lifeless> what about it
[09:34] <arjunak01> no one seems to be responding to it
[09:38] <arjunak01> the symlinks are broken and it causes nautilus to crash
[09:39] <lifeless> well it hasn't been triaged yet
[09:40] <arjunak01> does it crash on your pc
[11:21] <Kangarooo> hello i have some big bug after kernel update yester day. last kernel numebers 32-23 . after update was asked about Xorg safe mode and reconfiguration did that. but i cant after that get in TTY when i got to TTY cant make even back to TTY7 so on going to TTY video is lost. also with keys cant make reboot so somewhere something fdreezes
[13:20] <^arky^> hi fellows
[13:21] <^arky^> howz it going this weekend
[13:36] <penguin42> well, I've not broken anything yet :-)
[13:40] <^arky^> :)
[13:40] <^arky^> penguin42: good answer
[13:42]  * penguin42 goes out
[13:53] <Kangarooo> i have some big bug after kernel update yester day. last kernel numebers 32-23 . after update was asked about Xorg safe mode and reconfiguration did that. but i cant after that get in TTY when i got to TTY cant make even back to TTY7 so on going to TTY video is lost. also with keys cant make reboot so somewhere something fdreezes
[14:05] <Rhonda> Kangarooo: Hey. Did you receive my last mail about your wesnoth purge issue? Did it clear up your misunderstanding?
[14:06] <arand> Rhonda: bummer :/
[14:06]  * Rhonda peeks at arand? What? :)
[14:08] <arand> Rhonda: Possibly disconnected just in time to miss it..
[14:08] <Rhonda> I still see Kangarooo in the channel?
[14:10] <Kangarooo> no i saw messege and pidgin crashed. w8 im reading
[14:18] <Kangarooo> yes Rhonda all is ok.. so since thats not possible now with one command to remove all a new solution is needed
[14:19] <Rhonda> Please don't seek for such a solution within the wesnoth package. It won't happen. If you want that to happen it has to work as general concept.
[14:20] <Rhonda> And then, would you want gimp to remove all the images it created when you purge gimp?
[14:20] <Rhonda> Or audacity to remove all its tracks?
[14:21] <Rhonda> I doubt that your wish for that would get anywhere. Though, don't let my personal impression of it hinder you from trying. :)
[14:24] <Kangarooo> Rhonda: yes of course its for all packages needed and not just wesnoth. i wrote for wesnoth couse thats first time i used purge and first time saw after purge still .wenoth was in home
[14:25] <Kangarooo> Rhonda: images wont be saved in .gimp
[14:25] <Rhonda> Patterns are.
[14:25] <Rhonda> Savegames are also stored in .wesnoth
[14:25] <Rhonda> downloaded addons.
[14:27] <Kangarooo> Rhonda: yes if dont want some programm completly i dont need savegames and dont need addons thats why is needed that system is as it was when i have that kind of wish
[14:28] <Kangarooo> as it was berfore installing that
[14:28] <Kangarooo> im having some xorg problems crashing a lot
[14:29] <geohacker> Rhonda: Kangarooo: Doesn't the configuration files get removed on a 'Complete Removal' ?
[14:31] <mr_pouit> system-wide ones, yes
[14:32] <Kangarooo> geohacker: theres no such complete removal.. its needed
[14:46] <Kangarooo> geohacker: ah u mean in synaptic i havent long time used it. faster is command line. i think remove completly is the same as purge so still config files in home folder left
[15:38] <geohacker> Kangarooo: right. purge should remove the config files too. I have experienced the same in Jaunty.
[15:40] <Kangarooo> geohacker: heres bug 601146 i made yesterday about this.. i dont understand how its possible to not understand this and havent been done already for all years ubuntu is been made..
[15:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 601146 in aptitude (Ubuntu) "Wishlist: Make ~/.unneededprogramm users' local settings be gone on purge (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/601146
[15:56] <Kangarooo> can anyone who has acces to hiden bugs tell me if this bug can be made public? is it having all sensitive data clean? Bug 577925
[15:56] <ubot2> Kangarooo: Bug 577925 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/577925 is private
[17:53] <hggdh> purge removes system configuration, not user files
[19:20] <trinikrono> hey guys, ddecator you around
[19:21] <partloer> For Bug #597481 I think that this should be wishlist can someone change the importance setting
[19:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 597481 in empathy (Ubuntu) "Empathy doesn't play sounds when chats are focused (affects: 1) (heat: 529)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/597481
[19:24] <bcurtiswx3> partloer: on it
[19:24] <dutchie> isn't that a feature?
[19:25] <dutchie> i thought that made sense, as if the window's focussed, you're looking at it and don't need the sound to tell you
[19:25] <bcurtiswx3> hmm, by default it won't play sounds if the chat is focused.  So I believe it would be wishlist
[19:26] <bcurtiswx3> gj partloer
[19:27] <partloer> bcurtiswx3: what should i set the status to?
[19:28] <trinikrono> leaving it to incomplete should be ok until the reporter responds partloer
[19:28] <bcurtiswx3> i took care of it, but once it becomes wishlist it should be forwarded upstream.  So you would mark it as incomplete (because the bug requires more action), and status to wishlist (once you have the ability to do so)
[19:29] <partloer> oh ok thanks
[19:29] <trinikrono> you can check and see if anyone made a bug for it upstream
[19:30] <trinikrono> and link to it right bcurtiswx3 ?
[19:30] <simar> qense, hi
[19:30] <bcurtiswx3> trinikrono: absolutely
[19:30] <qense> hello simar
[19:30] <qense> How are you doing?
[19:31] <bcurtiswx3> partloer: give a go at bug #600537
[19:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 600537 in empathy (Ubuntu) "roster status icons don't update on gnome theme change (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/600537
[19:31] <simar> qense, I think i have successfully triaged my first two bugs. Now how to forward them upstream ...
[19:32] <qense> simar: Good!  A small correction though: a bug isn't fully triaged until it actually is forwarded upstream. :)
[19:33] <qense> simar: A basic overview of the way Ubuntu relates to upstreams can be found at <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Upstream>, but you don't have to read all of that since it covers pretty much everything.
[19:33] <qense> simar: The first thing you need to do when forwarding a bug upstream is considering whether the report contains enough information to be actually useful to the upstream project.
[19:34] <qense> simar: Next you have to find the upstream bug tracker and search it for possible duplicate reports.
[19:34] <qense> simar: I assume your bug reports are reported against xorg-xserver-input-synaptics?
[19:34] <simar> qense, I see
[19:42] <partloer> bcurtiswx3: i am thinking i would forward it upstream
[19:43] <bcurtiswx3> partloer: any duplicates?
[19:44] <partloer> ah yes i need to look at that
[19:46] <simar> qense, my internet broked, i logged in again.
[19:46] <simar> qense, ya bug 581659 if you want to have a look . I think it contains all the information. I have really worked on synaptics driver and xorg. To my knowledge it can be forwarded upstream but still if its possible I think this could be reviewed by some expert in this field .
[19:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 581659 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) "Mouse cursor jumps when two fingers are used (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/581659
[19:47] <simar> qense, where to find upstream bug tracker?
[19:50] <qense> simar: The X.org project uses the FreeDesktop bug tracker, which can be found at <https://bugs.freedesktop.org/>.
[19:51] <simar> qense, ya i have a account there..
[19:51] <qense> simar: Good!
[19:51] <qense> simar: Do you know how to search for possible similar reports on there?
[19:51] <simar> qense,  no
[19:52] <simar> qense, also tell me how to search the bug reports that are solved ie fixed .. someone told me that are good source of knowledge about triaging
[19:52] <qense> simar: Do you see the search box at the top of the Bugzilla page? Type in some search terms related to the bug, but not too close, and scan the results list.
[19:53] <qense> simar: You need the advanced search options for that. On Launchpad you can find the options for selecting all statuses (including Fix Released) when you press the Advanced Search link next to the search box.
[19:53] <qense> On Freedesktop you need to go to the search page.
[19:54] <simar> qense, i'm getting it
[19:55] <qense> good!
[19:56] <qense> Spotting any possible duplicates?
[19:57] <qense> Please mind that the bug might just as well be fixed upstream already.
[19:57] <simar> qense, it says please stand by
[19:58] <qense> ok
[19:58] <simar> qense, qense, should not i have checked for existance of duplicate bugs and fixed bugs upstream as if they already exist then whats the need for triaging them?
[19:58] <simar> before i mean to say
[19:58] <qense> simar: Checking upstream to see whether the bug is already reported is indeed a way of finding more information if the bug is very complicated. However, most bugs are simple and don't require a very deep investigation.
[19:59] <qense> also: before checking with upstream you need to be sure with what is exactly going on, you cannot just mark a bug as a duplicate when you don't have enough information.
[20:00] <simar> qense, ok
[20:02] <simar> qense, ya got a duplicate bug .. exact one but the bug 581659 has two issues one is in duplicate but the other is not there...
[20:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 581659 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) "Mouse cursor jumps when two fingers are used (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/581659
[20:02] <qense> ah, a duplicate on Launchpad!
[20:03] <qense> Now, that is something you should check before putting a lot of work in triaging the bug.
[20:03] <qense> simar: or not?
[20:03] <qense> simar: Anyway, two issues should have two bug reports, you shouldn't report two different issues in one bug report.
[20:04] <qense> so if the one (major) issue is already in a (which?) bug tracker it is a valid duplicate indeed.
[20:05] <simar> qense, ya i see
[20:07] <simar> now what should I do..
[20:07] <qense> simar: Is the duplicate in the upstream tracker?
[20:07] <simar> i think theres good enough information in the new bug to learn for me ...
[20:07] <simar> qense, ya
[20:08] <qense> simar: In that case you should leave a comment upstream with a link to the Launchad bug report, tell them anything they don't know yet and then link the upstream bug report on Launchpad.
[20:08] <qense> simar: You can link an upstream bug report to a report on Launchpad by creating a bug watch.
[20:08] <qense> simar: but first leave the message upstream, then I'll guide you through registering a bug watch.
[20:08] <simar> qense, ok
[20:09] <simar> ok i will do that first
[20:09] <simar> anyways for any reason this is the bug https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21614
[20:09] <ubot2> Freedesktop bug 21614 in Input/synaptics "Touchpad cursor jumps when two fingers are used" [Normal,New]
[20:10] <qense> ok
[20:21] <qense> simar: have you left the comment on the upstream bug report?
[20:21] <simar> qense, i have just completed it needs a minute ...
[20:22] <qense> ok!
[20:23] <qense> simar: Now copy the url to the bug report (make sure you've got the right one) and go back to the bug report at Launchpad.
[20:23] <qense> simar: Do you see the "Also Affects Project" link underneath the bug tasks?
[20:25] <simar> ya
[20:25] <simar> qense, ya
[20:25] <simar> i can see
[20:26] <qense> simar: press it and confirm that you're opening a new task in the Xorg synaptics project.
[20:27] <qense> simar: you should have a field for the link to the upstream bug report, paste the link there.
[20:27] <qense> simar: This is how we link upstream bug reports: when you've linked it Launchpad should update the status of the bug watch entry so we get notified in Launchpad when something changes upstream,
[20:27] <qense> .
[20:29] <simar> qense, To be more familiar with teminology, what exactly do you mean when you say opening a new task in Xorg synaptics project??
[20:30] <qense> simar: Have you pressed the "Also Affects Project" link?
[20:31] <qense> simar: That creates a new task which links to the upstream bug report. To make that work there is a project in Launchpad for every package.
[20:31] <simar> ya i have added the bug watch ... it says 'Bug #308191 also links to the added bug watch (freedesktop-bugs #21614)' and four similar notifications ...
[20:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 308191 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Multitouch support not available for -synaptics (affects: 31) (dups: 2) (heat: 200)" [Wishlist,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/308191
[20:31] <qense> simar: but you shouldn't worry too much about that  yet, just make sure the page you should be viewing right now says the project is the Xorg
[20:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 21614 in debian (and 1 other project) "lam: FTBFS on m68k due to ICE, try lower optimization? (heat: 1)" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21614
[20:33] <qense> simar: That could mean that your bug is a duplicate.
[20:33] <simar> qense, I got the meaning of task ...
[20:33] <simar> qense, I;m checking the other bugs right now ..
[20:33] <yofel> freedesktop 21614
[20:34] <ubot2> Freedesktop bug 21614 in Input/synaptics "Touchpad cursor jumps when two fingers are used" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21614
[20:34] <qense> that sounds like a better candidate, don't you think?
[20:35] <qense> it sounds almost exactly the same
[20:35]  * vish taps qense its the same bugs ;p
[20:36] <yofel> I lost track of the conversation and found the link too late in the backlog :P
[20:36] <qense> simar: I think bug #581659 is a duplicate of #365943
[20:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 581659 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Mouse cursor jumps when two fingers are used (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/581659
[20:37] <simar> qense, Ya and others are also someway linked ...
[20:37] <vish> who is " RussianNeuroMancer "
[20:37] <vish> another troll attack?
[20:37] <qense> simar: I'd say: mark the bug as a duplicate
[20:38] <vish> he has close the bug as invalid from triaged :s
[20:38] <qense> vish: Ah, troll attacks. Haven't seen that happening for a while now.
[20:39] <vish> probably why the invalid wouldnt have shown up in earlier searches
[20:40] <simar> ya this is exact duplicate. ok i will mark it duplicate
[20:40] <qense> simar: ok
[20:41] <vish> hmm , who is re-opening the invalid?
[20:43] <yofel> vish: which one?
[20:43] <vish> #365943
[20:43] <qense> vish: A troll moving a bug to triaged, you said? How did he get in Bug Control?
[20:43] <simar> qense, one more issue the user madmed  on launchpad which was the origional reporter of the bug 581659 has also commented in bug 365943 on a back date ... and he's seem to be experianced user (karma around 2000) .. why did he??
[20:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 581659 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Mouse cursor jumps when two fingers are used (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/581659
[20:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 365943 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Mouse cursor jumps when two fingers are used (affects: 6) (dups: 1) (heat: 42)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/365943
[20:43] <vish> not in bug control
[20:44] <vish> err , wait
[20:44] <vish> Bug #308191
[20:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 308191 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Multitouch support not available for -synaptics (affects: 31) (dups: 2) (heat: 200)" [Wishlist,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/308191
[20:45] <vish> thats the one closed from triaged
[20:46] <qense> vish: Would you mind asking the Launchpad guys how he managed to get the bug to Triaged? I'm off now
[20:46] <qense> simar: I don't know why he did that, but he shouldn't have opened a new bug for that.
[20:47] <yofel> qense: he set it to invalid
[20:47] <yofel> it was triaged
[20:47] <qense> ah, ok
[20:47] <qense> no security breach!
[20:47]  * vish corrects it
[20:47] <qense> Calm down everyone. :P
[20:47] <qense> or, better said: calm down qense
[20:47] <vish> qense: you were the one confused after the you beat brazil ;p
[20:48] <qense> vish: :)
[20:48] <simar> qense, i may be wrong but i think this way users earn more karma value...
[20:49] <qense> Mhwa, we don't strive for full karma purity. :) It doesn't matter if someone has a bit more while doing nothing to earn it. It gives a good general indication, but it's not that important.
[20:49] <simar> qense, surely not in spirit of ubuntu code of conduct
[20:50] <qense> simar: It could have been not knowing what to do exactly.
[20:50] <qense> Anyway, I should be going right now.
[20:50] <qense> simar: If you have any more questions: let me know. I'll respond to your mail tomorrow. If you got more questions meanwhile you can ask here or send another mail.
[20:50] <qense> good night everyone! :)
[20:51] <simar> qense, ok good bye qense and thanks for the lessons. I think i learnt a good deal today ...
[21:23] <Kangarooo> hello how with aptitude install dbg symbols for all programms i have installed?
[21:38] <easter_egg> Kangarooo, you need to install one by one
[21:39] <Kangarooo> easter_egg: no its possible with command. i dont know how to make custom commands..
[21:42] <easter_egg> hmm... let me see if I can find a way to make this
[21:43] <penguin42> Kangarooo: I guess you could do something like dpkg -l | awk -F' ' '{print $2"-dbgsym"}'  and then filter it against which dbgsym packages exist
[21:44] <penguin42> make that dpkg -l | awk -F' ' '/^ii/ {print $2"-dbgsym"}'
[21:52] <Kangarooo> penguin42: actually solution by makin install installed programm name + at end -dbgsym will be good solution for comp wihtout any dbg symbols couse all will be installed and nonexisting wont do anything
[21:54] <Kangarooo> but what i actually need to install -dbg packages or -dbgsym ? or both ? is for some one and for others other? is both making run on programm startup and on crash add more info?
[22:06] <penguin42> I'm not sure, the -dbgsym are for postcrash
[22:59] <Rhonda> Kangarooo: It hasn't been done in all the years because it's user's stuff and policy is to not touch user stuff, at all. It's not the scope of package management.
[22:59] <Rhonda> Kangarooo: Furthermore it's not only "config" files - and even then, users still might want to have it. The home of a user is not the scope of the sysadmin, he has no business in there. That's part of the reason why user stuff won't get removed on purge.
[23:02] <Kangarooo> im admin of my own computer. i want to remove all unneded to clean space..
[23:02] <Rhonda> Then do it.
[23:03] <Kangarooo> Rhonda: others can use purge and leave .config i need another command to clean totaly
[23:03] <Rhonda> Only the user themself can know what's "unneeded"
[23:03] <Kangarooo> most are also user and admin in one person
[23:03] <Rhonda> I doubt that.
[23:04] <Kangarooo> who is your personals computers admin?
[23:04] <Rhonda> that is, I doubt the "most" part reasoning, and even then that's no reason to ignore the other cases.
[23:04] <Rhonda> who is your sever admin?
[23:05] <Kangarooo> Rhonda: :D i dont have server why u ask?
[23:05] <Rhonda> That argumentation line doesn't get us anywhere, sorry. It would mean to ignore the cases that you personally aren't interested in but aren't uncommon, at all.
[23:05] <Rhonda> I don't have a personal computer.
[23:05] <Kangarooo> so you have no rights in computer ur using.. admin can do there what he wants
[23:07] <Rhonda> ?
[23:08] <Kangarooo> and a comand witch leaves some files is good for some. but why make different remove and purge and not make complete purge?
[23:08] <Rhonda> But let's assume your sentense does make sense to me, I'm picking up on the last part: I definitely don't want the admin to fiddle around in my home directory.
[23:08] <Rhonda> That's none of their business, as long as I don't go over disk quota.
[23:09] <Rhonda> Because purge has no business in user's home directories. It is about systemwide configuration settings.
[23:09] <Rhonda> Also, purge often doesn't purge all data.
[23:09] <Rhonda> Purging databases often leaves the database data behind. Purging of servers leave their logfiles behind.
[23:10] <Kangarooo> Rhonda: if u have some rights im guessing u pay for cloud computer then of course what u say to admin to do there he does that and nothing more. if u say that program isnt needed and wont be neede then he removes that totaly and not with purge only
[23:11] <Rhonda> cloud computer? you've lost me.
[23:11] <Kangarooo> you said server.. where better server then cloud computer?
[23:13] <Kangarooo> remove i dont know why is needed. purge is good but not fully since still something left. a new command is needed to remove totaly as purge + .configs
[23:13] <Rhonda> I don't think so.
[23:13] <Rhonda> And I pointed out to you that it's not ".configs".
[23:14] <Rhonda> It's ".userdata", and that's a relevant difference.
[23:14] <Rhonda> And I also don't think that a cloud computer is better than a real server, sorry. :)
[23:15] <Kangarooo> example i want to purge .config so then install clean without any configs.. i need to find folder and delete it if better command is made
[23:15] <Rhonda> There is more than just PCs, there is more than just one-system-per-person, and your argumentation gets in the direction of ignoring all the other cases.
[23:15] <Kangarooo> :D
[23:16] <Rhonda> The .wesnoth1.6 folder doesn't only contain configs.
[23:16] <Kangarooo> for otheer cases there is already a comand
[23:16] <Rhonda> It's userdata, not config, you are still confusing it.
[23:18] <Kangarooo> cloud comp u can upgrade and degrade with only changing montly payment. real physical server you have to have 1000-10000$ for server and what if project isnt succesfull? also you dont need all in start.. btw
[23:20] <Rhonda> What project?
[23:21] <Kangarooo> web project for example.
[23:21] <Rhonda> There's more than the web, and for a web project a web server would be enough, doesn't call for the "cloud" for me.
[23:22] <Kangarooo> also scientific projects. all the cases that needs server..
[23:22] <Kangarooo> yes i see :)
[23:23] <Kangarooo> so since theres command for all cases exept mine then new command is still missing
[23:24] <Kangarooo> what different cases solve remove and purge?
[23:27] <Rhonda> remove removes the package. purge purges the package systemwide configuration. the files below /etc
[23:28] <Rhonda> It isn't missing, you are the first person that seems to see an issue with this approach. And I tried to point out to you the reasoning behind, which is that the user data in a user's home is of no business for the admin and the admin has no right to have data removed from in there on package removal.
[23:29] <Kangarooo> i even dont know what for i would need to not delete configs in /etc so im using purge and i dont need .userdata if im sure im done with programm - finished it and now can easily delete them
[23:30] <Rhonda> To be able to reinstall the package at a later time and not lose customization to the configuration the admin has done.
[23:30] <Kangarooo> hehe :) no i cant be first one this is obvious user want to remove programm and all with that that came then he want to have that command
[23:30] <Rhonda> You as user can be sure to be done with the program - the admin of your system can't be sure of that.
[23:30] <Rhonda> The userdata though didn't come with that.
[23:31] <Rhonda> It comes when you start the program. It doesn't come from just installing it.
[23:31] <Rhonda> It comes when you actually _use_ the programs.
[23:31] <Kangarooo> ah Rhonda actually here another command is needed.. for user to remove only hes userdata..
[23:33] <Kangarooo> ok i dont know what costumizability is in etc i just know i either want programm or dont want. if i dont then all customizability also i want to go away since i wont use it anymore.. or maybe i want to remove all configs and userdata to default programm..
[23:33] <Kangarooo> 3
[23:42] <Kangarooo> bb sleep
[23:59] <unomi> Hi, anything new on the libparted 2.2 bug with some usb sticks?