[14:44] <bazhang> gnome-session-fallback looks to be going away, from what reports I have seen
[14:44] <bazhang> bug #1
[14:44] <bazhang> ok
[14:45] <k1l_> gnome3 is going to llvmpipe. the gnome-fallback was just a 2d first aid thing
[14:45] <bazhang> yep, it seems kind of a hack-ish thing
[14:46] <bazhang> some crucial apps are not playing well with it of late
[14:46] <k1l_> i can understand the developers view to not support 200years old hardware anymore
[14:46] <bazhang> hehe
[14:47] <bazhang> "it's nearly as old as the US Constitution!"
[14:47] <k1l_> same with the non pae kernels in ubuntu


[19:36] <AlanBell> o/ jussi
[19:36] <AlanBell> can someone give meetingology a bot mask please
[19:38] <Unit193> jus|si, el|ky, tsim|pson, and topy|li are all the ones to ping :P
[20:16] <rww> so why aren't you pinging them :P
[20:16] <rww> jussi, elky, tsimpson, topyli: ^^^
[20:16] <rww> although...
[20:17] <rww> AlanBell: it needs a nickserv account and needs to identify with nickserv to get a cloak
[20:18] <Unit193> rww: Do I have permission to mass ping? :P
[20:18] <AlanBell> rww: ok, how do I do that?
[20:18] <AlanBell> do I have to turn it off and log in as that nick with a normal client?
[20:19] <rww> AlanBell: probably that's the easiest way, unless you can send arbitrary PMs through the bot
[20:20] <AlanBell> !register
[20:21] <rww> and then to have the bot identify in the future, I assume supybot has a configuration setting for server password, you can put ":meetingology put the password here"
[20:23] <Unit193> Something like supybot.networks.freenode.password
[20:27] <AlanBell> ok, think it is registered now
[20:28] <Unit193> It in
[20:28] <Unit193> is
[20:28] <rww> topyli: PINGLES
[20:30] <topyli> oh, we've noticed, just forgot to say so :)
[20:30] <rww> the all seeing eye arr see see :(
[20:31] <Pici> hoho
[20:33] <AlanBell> meetingology is now running on the ubottu.com server and is a bit more "production" than it was
[20:33] <AlanBell> mootbot has gone into retirement
[20:34] <Pici> Did it get a nice pension?
[20:34] <topyli> any staff awake? can we get meetingology a ubuntu/bot cloak please? niko perhaps?
[20:35] <niko> done
[20:35] <topyli> thanks a lot niko
[20:36] <AlanBell> awesome, thanks all
[20:37] <topyli> ah, already documented on the wiki. nice
[20:39] <m4v> why in god heavens you need more than one Pi day
[20:40] <rww> because some people are not aware of the One True Timestamp Format
[20:40] <Pici> rww: seconds since the epoc?
[20:40] <Pici> h
[20:41] <rww> Pici: ISO 8601
[20:41] <Pici> I'm guessing thats YYYY/MM/DD ?
[20:42] <rww> no, YYYY-MM-DD or YYYYMMDD
[20:42] <Pici> Close enough
[20:42] <rww> no, / is a reserved character in filesystems :P
[20:44] <topyli> not dos though! there it's reserved for arguments :)
[20:44] <topyli> what a brilliant mind that must have been
[20:44] <rww> how does DOS's command interpreter do character escaping in filenames, since \ is used for directory deliniation?
[20:45] <rww> knowing DOS and FAT, answer is probably "it doesn't"
[20:45] <topyli> no idea
[20:45] <topyli> "it doesn't" sounds plausible, it's pretty strict about filenames to begin with
[20:46] <genii-around> I remember it used to put something like: filena^1.com  if the filename was longer than 8 characters but you did a "dir" on it
[20:48] <topyli> filena~1.txt
[20:48] <topyli> well, "filename.txt" is legal, but whatever :)
[20:49] <genii-around> Ah, tilde yes
[20:50] <rww> well, that's what files created on a program with LFN support and viewed by one without LFN support did
[20:50] <rww> since LFN (sorry, Long File Name) support was basically implemented by keeping the existing 8.3 limitation and adding hidden directory entries containing LFNs
[20:51] <topyli> i think it arrived aroun dos 6
[20:51] <rww> (and old stuff would see the 8.3 fnordi~1.txt type names and ignore the hidden entries)
[20:51] <topyli> or maybe as late as win95, whatever the dos version there was. i forget
[20:52] <rww> NT 3.5, Win95, MS-DOS 7