[21:44] <Bleakney> hi @ll! I never used Edubuntu but am thinking about installing it. Is there maybe a list of all the tools and softwares that came default with Edubuntu?
[22:19] <Bleakney> Anyone?
[22:33] <Bleakney> No, obviously no one... However there is a good review on youtube with all the stuff - looks good.


 I use / in Kubuntu, \ in Win (re @IrcsomeBot: <Alabalistic_> did you use / or \)
[08:10] <lordievader> Good morning
 Good morning! (re @IrcsomeBot: <lordievader> Good morning)
[08:12] <lordievader> 👋
 I'm trying to customize my display resolution with xrandr, but how to set the resolution permanently
[11:14] <alkisg> With xorg.conf?
[13:30] <user|20> After upgrading my kubuntu am experiencing acpi errors.
[13:37] <omegatron> oh.. is it playing "never gonna give you up" by rick astley at boot time?
[13:38] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:41] <omegatron> o/
[13:52] <BluesKaj> \o
 funny (re @IrcsomeBot: <omegatron> oh.. is it playing "never gonna give you up" by rick astley at boot time?)
[14:15] <omegatron> well, without any details, all we can do is some wild guess ... -_-
[14:42] <Pavel_Plotnikov> Всем прривет! Есть русскоговорящие заядлые пользователи linux ?
[14:46] <BluesKaj> !ru | Pavel_Plotnikov
[14:56] <omegatron> wow - does it have all significant languages?
[14:56] <omegatron> !de
[14:56] <omegatron> =D
 !fa (re @IrcsomeBot: <ubottu> In den meisten Ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuche bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Einfach "/join #ubuntu-de" eingeben. Danke für Dein Verständnis!)
[15:28] <omegatron> is there no way to assign (in Kate) a shortcut to do the "Replace All" action like the button in the lower right would do?
 Hi. Anybody else having issues with copy/paste image when using Wayland?
 Copying from what to what? (re @gilbertoferreira: Hi. Anybody else having issues with copy/paste image when using Wayland?)
 I used flameshot to take a screenshot and copy to facebook into Chrome, for instance.
 Using X11 works fine, but not with Wayland.
 In fact only software that works in Wayland is Kolourpaint!
 Telegram and web whatsapp doesn't work.
 I have tested with spactable too.... No lucky!
 I already open a bug report https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=439070
 Please if anybody else has this issue, help report this bug... thanks
 Well, I know copy/paste/clipboard-management is one of the things that wayland is not always handling well yet
 For example: https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=copy paste wayland
 Plenty of bugs on it: https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=copy%20paste%20wayland&list_id=1884700
[18:57] <oerheks> wl-copy should work http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hirsute/man1/wl-copy.1.html
 Yeah... I like wayland... But there's a lot way to go... There's no icon when you open an application and you never know if the apps will open or not!
 Like, when you a using X11 you see a icon when open an app...
 It is just about working well enough to include the wayland session option on our default install now, but we do NOT default to it, and it is not really supported
[19:06] <dfdfdfsdffdsdfdf> asa
[19:06] <dfdfdfsdffdsdfdf> g
 I meant, it's not ready to dayling use, I guess. (re @RikMills: It is just about working well enough to include the wayland session option on our default install now, but we do NOT default to it, and it is not really supported)
 Put it this way, if 21.04 had been an LTS release, we would only have included the X session


[00:16] <WastePo1ato> Hi.
[00:48] <bodhizazen> we shall be compiling today :)
[00:48] <bodhizazen> so let's review how to connect to the shared ssh session shall we ?
[00:48] <bodhizazen> http://paste.ubuntu.com/188659/
[00:48] <bodhizazen> can people try to connect and let me know if there are problems ?
[00:49] <bodhizazen> please note: the server has changed
[00:49] <bodhizazen> it is ssh.bodhizazen.net
[00:53] <bodhizazen> wb swoody
[00:53] <swoody> ty bodhizazen :)
[00:54] <swoody> logging a lot, trying to get FreeBSD to boot :(
[00:55] <bodhizazen> FreeBSD, now that's hard core, lol
[00:55] <swoody> haha
[00:57] <bodhizazen> 5 minute warning :)
[00:58] <bodhizazen> not many on the ssh session , LOL
[00:58] <bodhizazen> http://paste.ubuntu.com/188659/
[00:59]  * jgoguen is there \o/
[00:59] <bodhizazen> >:)
[01:00] <bodhizazen> anyone needing assistance connecting ?
[01:03] <bodhizazen> are we ready to start then ?
[01:03] <TuxPurple> yes :)
[01:03] <jgoguen> yup
[01:03] <bodhizazen> This session is in follow up to the last when we discussed installing packages
[01:04] <bodhizazen> I will review installing from source today with a few tips
[01:04] <bodhizazen> First, advantages / disadvantages of installing from source ?
[01:04] <bodhizazen> advantage - newer package possibly with bug fixes
[01:05] <bodhizazen> disadvantage - you will need to install dependencies manually
[01:05] <bodhizazen> you will have to update manually
[01:05] <bodhizazen> and you may break things, lol
[01:05] <jimi_hendrix> bodhizazen, thats always amusing though :)
[01:05] <bodhizazen> Let's start with a review of the most basic package installation
[01:06] <bodhizazen> you need to install a few tools
[01:06] <bodhizazen> apt-get install build-essential
[01:06] <bodhizazen> ;)
[01:06] <bodhizazen> then to install a package it is simple
[01:06] <bodhizazen> download the source code
[01:06] <bodhizazen> extract the archive
[01:06] <bodhizazen> cd into archive
[01:06] <bodhizazen> ./configure
[01:06] <bodhizazen> make
[01:07] <bodhizazen> make install
[01:07] <bodhizazen> sudo make install , sorry
[01:07] <bodhizazen> now lets go through that in some more detail
[01:07] <bodhizazen> 1. download the source code
[01:08] <bodhizazen> lets look at dillo
[01:08] <bodhizazen> http://www.dillo.org/
[01:08] <Kasm279> so i heard the class is on compiling drivers today?
[01:08] <bodhizazen> yep
[01:09] <bodhizazen> from the home page, go to dl page
[01:09] <bodhizazen> http://www.dillo.org/download.html
[01:09] <bodhizazen> ALWAYS LOOK ON THE PROJECT HOME PAGE FOR INFORMATIO
[01:09] <bodhizazen> including bugs, fixes, and dependencies
[01:10] <jimi_hendrix> bodhizazen, you may want to check the README too...
[01:10] <bodhizazen> we are not there yet jimi_hendrix , patience
[01:10] <bodhizazen> wget http://www.dillo.org/download/dillo-0.8.5.tar.bz2
[01:10] <jimi_hendrix> yes master
[01:10] <Kasm279> so, watsup right now?
[01:11] <bodhizazen> now most source code is actually c
[01:11] <bodhizazen> and needs to be compiled
[01:11] <bodhizazen> some applications are python or distributed as binaries
[01:11] <Kasm279> what about shell scripts?
[01:11] <bodhizazen> some is like nvidia, sorry excuses for linux programming run as an install script :)
[01:11] <bodhizazen> vmare is that way too
[01:12] <bodhizazen> back to dillo
[01:12] <bodhizazen> Kasm279: the install scripts are the same, you still need to install teh dependencies
[01:12] <Kasm279> k
[01:12] <bodhizazen> unpack the archive, usually a tar.gz , sometimes a zip or other archive
[01:13] <bodhizazen> tar -xzvf dillo*
[01:13] <bodhizazen> this will make a dillo-0.8.5 driectory
[01:13] <bodhizazen> I personally keep these archives in ~/src
[01:13] <bodhizazen> mkdir -p ~src/dillo
[01:14] <bodhizazen> mv dillo-0.8.5 ~/src/dillo
[01:14] <bodhizazen> now lets look at the archive
[01:14] <bodhizazen> cd ~/src/dillo/dillo-0.8.5
[01:15] <bodhizazen> Now you may keep your archive anywhere, just so long as you cd into it :)
[01:15] <Kasm279> im wondering, what is dillo?
[01:15] <bodhizazen> in the archive there is almost always a README
[01:15] <bodhizazen> read the README now :)
[01:15] <bodhizazen> Kasm279: http://www.dillo.org/
[01:15] <bodhizazen> just an example
[01:16] <bodhizazen> The most common reason installation fails is what ?
[01:16] <bodhizazen> anyone want to guess at that ?
[01:16] <bodhizazen> failure to install the dependencies !!!!!!
[01:17] <bodhizazen> you will get part way through the compile and it will fail with a cryptic message, this is almost always a problem with dependencies
[01:17] <bodhizazen> dependenceies come in 2 flavors
[01:17] <bodhizazen> -dev and lib
[01:17] <bodhizazen> c uses headers
[01:18] <bodhizazen> the headers are not in the ubuntu package
[01:18] <bodhizazen> they are in the 8-dev
[01:18] <bodhizazen> so while your application may list foo as a dependency
[01:18] <bodhizazen> you can not simple
[01:18] <bodhizazen> apt-get install foo
[01:18] <bodhizazen> you almost always need
[01:19] <bodhizazen> apt-get install foo-dev
[01:19] <bodhizazen> sometimes foo is provided as a shard library
[01:19] <bodhizazen> ie libfoo
[01:19] <bodhizazen> in which case
[01:19] <bodhizazen> apt-get install libfoo
[01:19] <bodhizazen> when finding dependencies google is your friend
[01:20] <bodhizazen> as is searching for packages
[01:20] <bodhizazen> Want a trick ?
[01:20] <bodhizazen> use apt-get
[01:20] <bodhizazen> sudo apt-get build-dep bar
[01:20] <bodhizazen> will download and install the dependencies for bar, including foo
[01:20] <bodhizazen> >:)
[01:21] <bodhizazen> OK, we are now done with dependencies
[01:21] <bodhizazen> now let us compile and install
[01:21] <bodhizazen> first configure
[01:21] <bodhizazen> b4 you configure use
[01:21] <bodhizazen> ./configure --help
[01:21] <bodhizazen> this will list the options
[01:21] <bodhizazen> you almost ALWAYS want one option
[01:22] <bodhizazen> --prefix/usr/local
[01:22] <bodhizazen> this installs teh application into /usr/local
[01:22] <bodhizazen> so
[01:22] <bodhizazen>  /usr/lcoal/bin
[01:22] <bodhizazen> rather then /bin
[01:22] <bodhizazen> this will significantly reduce breakage
[01:23] <bodhizazen> if you do not use this , you will create conflicts with apt-get
[01:23] <bodhizazen> or apt-get will over write libs etc
[01:23] <bodhizazen> or you will break apt-get (dpkg)
[01:23] <bodhizazen> so
[01:24] <bodhizazen> ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --with-option2 --enable-foo
[01:24] <bodhizazen> next make
[01:24] <bodhizazen> make
[01:24] <bodhizazen> that will compile the app
[01:24] <bodhizazen> then
[01:24] <bodhizazen> sudo make install
[01:24] <bodhizazen> to remove
[01:24] <bodhizazen> sudo make uninstall
[01:24] <bodhizazen> if you are luck
[01:24] <bodhizazen> otherwise
[01:24] <bodhizazen> locate bar
[01:25] <bodhizazen> and rm -rf all instances of bar . lol
[01:25] <bodhizazen> to run app
[01:25] <bodhizazen>  /usr/local/bar
[01:25] <bodhizazen> You can use apt-get to build from source
[01:25] <bodhizazen> enable the deb-src repo
[01:25] <bodhizazen> then
[01:26] <bodhizazen> apt-get source foo
[01:26] <bodhizazen> then
[01:26] <bodhizazen> sudo apt-get install dpkg-dev fakeroot
[01:27] <bodhizazen> cd foo-0.1.0
[01:27] <bodhizazen> dpkg-dev fakeroot
[01:27] <bodhizazen> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b
[01:27] <bodhizazen> want to see some examples ?
[01:27] <bodhizazen> I have a shared session and we can compile a simple application
[01:28] <bodhizazen> everyone on the ssh session ?
[01:28] <bodhizazen> anyone need help ?
[01:28] <bodhizazen> OK, to make things faster I already downloaded the porgram hello
[01:29] <bodhizazen> you can see the tar ball in ~/src/hello
[01:29] <bodhizazen> lets extract
[01:29] <bodhizazen> now we have hello-2.4
[01:29] <bodhizazen> so ..
[01:30] <bodhizazen> it says to see INSTALL for directions
[01:30] <bodhizazen> lets do it :)
[01:31] <bodhizazen> it is checking for dependencies and system configuration
[01:31] <bodhizazen> now it is ready
[01:31] <bodhizazen> it is making (compiling)
[01:31] <bodhizazen> done
[01:31] <bodhizazen> now insatall
[01:32] <bodhizazen> shall we test it ?
[01:32] <bodhizazen> OOPS
[01:33] <bodhizazen> do not forget to use sudo, lol
[01:33] <bodhizazen> and you can see it works :)
[01:33] <bodhizazen> now lets remove it
[01:33] <bodhizazen> now it is gone
[01:34] <bodhizazen> lets compile from the ubuntu repos :)
[01:34] <bodhizazen> The application in the repos is called hello-debhelper
[01:34] <bodhizazen> apt-get source has retrieved the package
[01:35] <bodhizazen> no dependencies ....
[01:35] <bodhizazen> building with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b
[01:36] <bodhizazen> fakeroot means we can build without being root
[01:36] <bodhizazen> now it builds a .deb in one directory higher
[01:36] <bodhizazen> see it ?
[01:36] <bodhizazen> hello-debhelper_2.2-3_amd64.deb
[01:36] <bodhizazen> now lets install
[01:37] <bodhizazen> sudo dpkg -i hello-debhelper_2.2-3_amd64.deb
[01:37] <bodhizazen> and run ...
[01:37] <bodhizazen> see how dpkg put it in /usr/bin ?
[01:38] <bodhizazen> this is why we used --prefix=/usr/local >:)
[01:38] <bodhizazen> remove ?
[01:38] <bodhizazen> all gone now :)
[01:38] <bodhizazen> Where to do for additional information ?
[01:39] <bodhizazen> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html
[01:39] <bodhizazen> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide
[01:39] <bodhizazen> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete
[01:39] <bodhizazen> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[01:39] <bodhizazen> Questions ?
[01:40] <bodhizazen> Kasm279 you were asking about install scripts and what not ?
[01:40] <bodhizazen> these are usually nvidia, ati, or vmware
[01:40] <bodhizazen> the general process is the same
[01:40] <bodhizazen> first install the dependencies
[01:41] <bodhizazen> then download the install script
[01:41] <bodhizazen> read the README
[01:41] <bodhizazen> if there is one
[01:41] <bodhizazen> ./install.sh --help
[01:41] <bodhizazen> if there is any
[01:41] <bodhizazen> then
[01:41] <bodhizazen> chmod a+x ./install.sh
[01:41] <bodhizazen> sudo ./install.sh
[01:42] <bodhizazen> the install scripts will typically download and install the source code
[01:43] <bodhizazen> nothing like compiling from source to silence a room, lol
[01:43] <bodhizazen> questions ?
[01:44] <bodhizazen> so now you are all experts on compiling from source then :)
[01:44] <bodhizazen> want to see apparmor in action ?
[01:45] <bodhizazen> BOO !!!
[01:46] <mzz> no need to shout
[01:46] <bodhizazen> OK, well I will hang for a few minutes then to see if there are any additional questions :)
[01:46] <mzz> (also, can I scroll up a shared screen session the usual way or does that disrupt what others see?)
[01:46] <bodhizazen> just checking mzz :)
[01:46] <bodhizazen> yes mzz
[01:47] <bodhizazen> you mau scroll at will
[01:47] <mzz> drat, "copy: permission denied (guest)"
[01:47] <bodhizazen> LOL
[01:47]  * mzz must be doing it wrong
[01:47] <bodhizazen> do you want me to past bin something
[01:47] <mzz> nah, don't bother
[01:47] <bodhizazen> what client are you using ?
[01:47] <jgoguen> mine's better: stuff: permission denied (user guest)
[01:48] <mzz> oh, I use urxvt but I have its history disabled, because I normally use screen's (urxvt's doesn't really work if you're in a split screen session)
[01:48] <bodhizazen> dam security
[01:48] <bodhizazen> post a command here and I will run it
[01:48] <bodhizazen> this session is logged
[01:48] <bodhizazen> and if you wish I can pastebin output
[01:49] <bodhizazen> w/ pastebin everyone can see
[01:49] <mzz> nah, it's ok, I'll just read the actual documentation later
[01:49] <bodhizazen> mzz: well, this is what I am here for now, demo and questions
[01:49] <bodhizazen> so we have 10 min, ask away
[01:50] <mzz> compiling stuff is easy, I'm only paying attention to the packaging-related bits
[01:50] <bodhizazen> Ah
[01:50] <bodhizazen> packaging for ubuntu is a bit more comples
[01:50] <bodhizazen> the MOTU are giving session on packaging
[01:51] <bodhizazen> we are building a moodle session to teach such things
[01:51] <mzz> since nobody is saying much I'll share a slightly fakeroot-related story: be careful what you name the package you created here, because if a package with that name already exists you'll replace it
[01:52] <mzz> I accidentally created a package called "udev" at one point, and almost didn't realise what I had just done before rebooting, which would have been bad.
[01:53] <bodhizazen> LOL
[01:53] <bodhizazen> I was asking the same question - how to name a package
[01:53] <bodhizazen> https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA
[01:53] <bodhizazen> specifically : https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA#Versioning
[01:54] <bodhizazen> Any requests for future sessions ?
[01:54] <bodhizazen> anyone want to tell us what I broke ?
[01:55] <mzz> well, gnu hello had better be a well-behaved package with a working "make uninstall", but that may not always be the case
[01:55] <bodhizazen> mzz: I can show yo uapparmor if you want
[01:56] <bodhizazen> yes, you need to take great care in that
[01:56] <bodhizazen> the good new is ...
[01:56] <bodhizazen> usually you can manually remove stuff
[01:56] <mzz> (I tend to install as "me" with --prefix pointing into my homedir to reduce the chance of catastrophic accidents)
[01:56] <jgoguen> hehe
[01:57] <bodhizazen> that works
[01:57] <bodhizazen>  /usr/local is if you want to share
[01:57] <mzz> that doesn't always works, but if it does you can easily get rid of the package
[01:57] <bodhizazen> I always keep the source code to any installed package
[01:58] <mzz> oh, that's another point: "make uninstall" needs a configured source tree to run from, so you have to keep that around or recreate it (rerunning configure with the same args)
[01:58] <mzz> so be careful, use fakeroot or the like if at all possible
[01:59] <mzz> try with /usr if you dare :)
[02:00] <bodhizazen> naw, /usr is not so good
[02:00] <bodhizazen> ~/bin
[02:00] <mzz> I meant your rm -rf
[02:00] <bodhizazen> add ~/bin and /usr/local/bin to $PATH
[02:00] <bodhizazen> no, it will remove /usr
[02:00] <mzz> oh, ok, don't do that then :)
[02:01] <bodhizazen> it will also kill rm -rf /*
[02:01] <bodhizazen> see ?
[02:01] <mzz> err, no
[02:02] <mzz> (the "*" is expanded by the shell, so if rm -rf /* is safe so is rm -rf /usr, right?)
[02:02] <bodhizazen> well the only reason the system is still running is apparmor, lol
[02:02] <bodhizazen> no
[02:02] <bodhizazen> rm -rf /* will rmove everything by /
[02:02] <bodhizazen> *but*
[02:04] <bodhizazen> OK, thanks everyone
[02:04] <bodhizazen> I think the next planned session is next week
[02:04] <bodhizazen> topic ?
[02:04] <bodhizazen> or shall I choose ?
[02:05] <mzz> go for it
[02:07] <bodhizazen> kthxbi


[21:36] <il12> so I need to find libxine-extracodecs?
[21:36] <Schuenemann> jussi01, I already knew that, it is in the wiki
[21:37] <conrad_> what's the best way to find packages? I've always been using google and apt-get install, is there a nice graphical program to do this with other than adept (too messy)?
[21:37] <ardchoille> conrad_: open konqueror and type:  apt:/
[21:38] <NeoFax> conrad_: sudo aptitude search xxx
[21:38] <Dr_willis> apt:/ is such a handy feture. :)
[21:38] <conrad_> yeah i've never seen that before
[21:38] <conrad_> that's awesome
[21:38] <ardchoille> I love kio slaves
[21:39] <Dr_willis> kio slaves - the overlooked neetness under kde :)
[21:39] <Dr_willis> where did i see that list of all the kioslaves at. some setting tool.
[21:40] <Dr_willis> or was it in the help docs
[21:40] <ardchoille> conrad_: man:/ and info:/dir  work in konq too
[21:40] <gabriel__> NeoFax: do u know what i should look for?
[21:40] <conrad_> i feel like a little kid in a candy store with apt:/, haha
[21:41] <ardchoille> lol
[21:41] <Hirvinen> Whoa! I just love KDE more and more.
[21:41] <Dr_willis> Help Icon -> Contents --> kioslaves
[21:41] <Dr_willis> has a list of them
[21:42] <wolfgang> hi*
[21:47] <NeoFax> gabriel__: Not exactly, as I haven't used compiz in a long time.  You can try the Place extension, but I am not 100% positive this is it.  Also, you can ask on the compiz forums.
[21:54] <Schuenemann> @chuck
[21:56] <DreadKnight> hey is there a way to downgrade from hardy to gutsy without actually reinstalling... ?
[21:57] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: compiz slows down the pc... :-)
[22:04] <gabriel__> ok thanks NeoFax :)
[22:04] <michael__> shalom everyone
[22:04] <unix_infidel> anyone recommend a foobar2000 clone?
[22:04] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: That is not the reason I don't use compiz.  The reason is KDE does not work well with compiz.  Many apps just error like what gabriel is experiencing.
[22:04] <NeoFax> brb
[22:04] <gabriel__> sourcemaker: maybe not if you have a gf 8800gt card?
[22:05] <michael__> I have a sound issue that it seems no one can resolve
[22:05] <michael__> I just switched from Suse, but it looks I may be switching back if I cant get my sound working
[22:06] <jack1> im trying to do a system upgrade via Adept; however, the "Installing the upgrades" part stays at zero
[22:06] <jack1> michael_: what is your soundchipset?
[22:06] <michael__> I hear sound in the backgroud, but masked with heavy static
[22:06] <jpatrick> !sound | michael__
[22:06] <ubotu> michael__: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[22:07] <michael__> yeah, I tried them links
[22:07] <jack1> im trying to do a system upgrade via Adept; however, the "Installing the upgrades" part stays at zero
[22:07] <michael__> but I'll try the 4th time
[22:09] <jack1> i should say that i don't have any internet connection problems, its just that system upgrade halts at this point
[22:09] <jack1> its really annoying.....anybody can help?
[22:10] <ganjamaniac> heh
[22:10] <ganjamaniac> how can i change the CPU Gore Clock? i have ubuntu satanic edition and a core2duo
[22:10] <ganjamaniac> the gore clock utility swears about my cpu
[22:11] <ganjamaniac> i have no glue whats wrong with this gore utility
[22:11] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: ok... I did't know...
[22:12] <ganjamaniac> maybe intel weedstep is messed up
[22:12] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: I have only tested the performance and usability of compiz
[22:12] <michael__> is the SB Audigy es considered an 'old sound card'?
[22:13] <biovore> nope
[22:13] <biovore> Audigy was the last card from creative that worked worth 1/2 a hell..
[22:13] <ganjamaniac> i dope old stuff should work better on this system
[22:14] <Dr_willis> I have an Audigy2zs here.. runs like a champ
[22:14] <jack1> im trying to do a system upgrade via Adept; however, the "Installing the upgrades" part stays at zero and does not increase whatsoever
[22:14] <ganjamaniac> this 3d accelerating crap cards
[22:14] <ganjamaniac> i considder a M-Audio
[22:14] <michael__> I love it, but my 7.10 hates it
[22:16] <michael__> I get sound, but the static (and background whine/buzz) makes the 'good' sound almost enaudible
[22:17] <michael__> cant make out anything
[22:17] <michael__> no one has been able to figure it out and being a newbie doesnt help matters
[22:18] <jack1> im trying to do a system upgrade via Adept; however, the "Installing the upgrades" part stays at zero and does not increase whatsoever
[22:19] <marco__> hi, if I run Kinfocenter is "empty", but I've found all the icons and programs that are in "lost & found" K menu... any clue about how to solve?
[22:19] <michael__> I have been told that upgrading that way has yet to be reliable
[22:19] <marco__> and how can I tell what package a certain program belongs to?
[22:20] <marco__> jack1 clicki details button, probably you have a question to answer
[22:20] <jack1> nope
[22:20] <marco__> (maybe you installed apt-listbugs)
[22:20] <michael__> I just built a new system and I cant get 7.10 to even boot
[22:20] <michael__> looks like it will be windows only
[22:21] <marco__> jack1: I've no idea then... I just told you so because happend to me 1 hour ago
[22:21] <jack1> marco: thnx neways
[22:21] <michael__> AMD dual core 6000+, 2 gig of dual channel ram, 500 gig HD
[22:22] <nosrednaekim> michael__: can you get to the cd menu?
[22:22] <jack1> does anybody here have NVidia MCP51 Audio Chipset?
[22:23] <michael__> (I used allot of distros) but yes I think it did get there
[22:23] <nosrednaekim> not on this computer... but another one, I may
[22:23] <nosrednaekim> michael__: so what did it stall on? graphics?
[22:24] <michael__> booting into kde.... ended up being just a black screen and stayed that way
[22:25] <nosrednaekim> michael__: did you try safe graphics mode?
[22:26] <michael__> I cant remember (kinda hectic)
[22:26] <michael__> looking for the live cd now
[22:27] <nosrednaekim> ok
[22:28] <michael__> found it
[22:29]  * jinx is away: Gone away for now.
[22:29] <michael__> this is the fastest machine I have ever seen/touched
[22:29] <michael__> amazing
[22:29] <nosrednaekim> :D
[22:30] <nosrednaekim> !away| ^Jinx^
[22:30] <ubotu> ^Jinx^: You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[22:31] <nosrednaekim> !ping
[22:31] <ubotu> pong
[22:31] <nosrednaekim> michael__: oops sorry.
[22:31] <nosrednaekim> did you try booting safe graphics mode?
[22:32] <NeoFax> michael__: Have you tried swapping the vard to a different pci slot?
[22:32] <michael__> yes
[22:32] <nosrednaekim> michael__: nothing? what graphics card?
[22:32] <michael__> onboard video
[22:32] <michael__> still trying to boot
[22:32] <nosrednaekim> which is....
[22:32] <tsdgeos> nosrednaekim: how does that !ping thing fit into the "about unrequired scrolling" rule?
[22:33] <michael__> nvidia  geforce 6100
[22:33] <nosrednaekim> tsdgeos: sorry, I thought my internet had died, and since no-one was talking, I couldn't tell, so I did that.
[22:33] <michael__> n force 405
[22:34] <nosrednaekim> michael__: ah.. ok, that shouldn't have problems with safe graphics mode
[22:34] <michael__> monitor power light is blinking irraticly
[22:34] <michael__> black screen
[22:35] <nosrednaekim> hmmm does "ctrl+alt+f2" show anything?
[22:35] <michael__> checking....
[22:35] <michael__> hey
[22:35] <michael__> yeah
[22:35] <mauri> how to convert dvd9 to dvd5
[22:36] <michael__> I'm at the command prompt
[22:36] <Dr_willis> !dvd
[22:36] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[22:36] <Dr_willis> k9copy perhaps.
[22:36] <__-osh-__> !sound
[22:36] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[22:36] <NeoFax> michael__: Try this. Soft reboot the system.  when you get to the "Starting GRUB" little blurb hit ESC to actually see grub.  Change the quiet to verbose and put -noapic -nolapic at the end and see where the kernel or X is dying.  This is one reason on install disks graphic boots should be verbose.
[22:36] <Zombie> Do any of you use LDAP Authentication?
[22:37] <nosrednaekim> michael__: ok. soo, what you need to do is from there do "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and select vesa for your driver(all other settings leave as deafult). then run "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart"
[22:37] <nosrednaekim> NeoFax: this is a liveCD
[22:37] <NeoFax> nosrednaekim: Designed as an install CD as well.
[22:38] <mauri> how to convert dvd9 to dvd5
[22:38] <NeoFax> I would have checked Xorg.0.log first to see exactly what is erroring.
[22:38] <michael__> NeoFax: dude, I'm a noob, so I have no idea what you just said      lol
[22:38] <nosrednaekim> NeoFax: ah never mind, I didn't see that one sentence of yours..:D
[22:38] <NeoFax> michael__: You could have done grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see where the X server is dying.
[22:40] <nosrednaekim> NeoFax: shees, where have you been for the past few months?we can use more brains like yours :D
[22:40] <michael__> it says no such file or dir
[22:40] <michael__> when I do the grep thing
[22:40] <NeoFax> nosrednaekim: Also, I was wrong with the soft reboot as it is just a X error and not a kernel failure.  Trying to cut the leg off for an ingrown toe nail ;^)
[22:40] <nosrednaekim> michael__: "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE"
[22:40] <michael__> ok
[22:41] <mauri> how to convert dvd9 to dvd5
[22:41] <nosrednaekim> notice that that is a pipe,not a "i"
[22:41] <mauri> how to convert dvd9 to dvd5?
[22:41] <NeoFax> mauri: k9copy
[22:42] <mauri> NeoFax: is it able to convert also a protected dvd
[22:42] <michael__> same thing
[22:42] <NeoFax> mauri: Should with libdvdcss installed.  Granted, if you are in a country that bans this, you will be breaking the law.
[22:43] <NeoFax> michael__: What did the grep show?  Please use pastebin if the error is really long
[22:43] <mauri> NeoFax: it is allowed to have a backup cpopy
[22:43] <sigma_123> if u hav dvdcss installed yes. but thats in medibuntu
[22:43] <NeoFax> mauri: You are correct, but the DMCA forbids this in the US
[22:44] <michael__> same thing
[22:44] <michael__> no such file or command
[22:44] <sigma_123> shame poor people in the US:)
[22:45] <__-osh-__> Can someone come up with a nice/quick idea to unload all sound-related modules and then reload them again. Other than rebooting or doing it manually, one by one? They all depend on each other so it's a mess. :-/
[22:45] <michael__> I cant see where I'm typing it wrong
[22:45] <NeoFax> michael__: Do cd /var/log, then ls -l and look for a file that starts with Xorg.0.log
[22:45] <michael__> ok
[22:46] <NeoFax> __-osh-__: Couldn't you just sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart?
[22:46] <mauri> NeoFax: what is DCMA
[22:46] <sigma_123> osh: just restart alsa
[22:47] <NeoFax> mauri: It is a piece of sh!t law written in the US by whore-mongering lobbyist for peon congress-people to erode my rights.
[22:47] <__-osh-__> NeoFax: I could. But it doesn't bring back the sound.
[22:47] <sigma_123> yeah that one osh. its easier
[22:47] <__-osh-__> sigma_123: It would be, if it worked. Unfortunatly it doesn't. I don't think it unloads the modules. Does it?
[22:48] <sigma_123> NeoFax: how would they know?
[22:48] <michael__> Xorg.O.log
[22:48] <NeoFax> michael__: That should be a zero not the letter "O".
[22:48] <michael__> know what that might be a  zero rather than a "o", eh?
[22:48] <michael__> ahh
[22:48] <__-osh-__> Nope. doing an alsa-utils stop still shows all modules loaded.
[22:48] <michael__> ok, that was it then
[22:48] <sigma_123> osh: it restarts the whole sound system. why exactly do u wana do that?
[22:49] <michael__> so I just type that in there now?
[22:49] <michael__> what is the command now that I'm in the dir?
[22:49] <__-osh-__> sigma_123: I have no sound and watching a movie then is slightly dull. So I want sound. And for some reason I don't have it. :-(
[22:50] <NeoFax> __-osh-__: See with lsmod what all of the snd- modules connect to.  Normally a snd module.  Kill that by doing sudo rmmod snd(or whatever) and then sudo modprobe snd-cmipci(this is my chipset, so change for your setup)
[22:50] <NeoFax> michael__: cat Xorg.0.log | grep EE
[22:50] <michael__> k
[22:51] <sigma_123> osh: what card? linux is dam gud with sound. mine doesnt work on xp with drivers but works in linux just with alsa
[22:51] <mauri> i'm not able to see my floppy disk mount in dolphin
[22:51] <NeoFax> mauri: It won't you would hav to manually mount it
[22:51] <__-osh-__> NeoFax: Yeah, I've done that. I've got about 20 or so sound related modules. All depending on each other so removing one means removing a lot of others, but first I have to find one that have no dependancies and it's just too much work if this is the only way. A reboot would be both quicker and simpler in that case.
[22:52] <michael__> says this.. EE) AIGLX: screen 0 is not DRI Capable
[22:52] <NeoFax> __-osh-__: On my system bringing down the main one kills all of the others.  I don't have to do it one-by-one.
[22:52] <__-osh-__> NeoFax: Not that I think that such a simple thing as sound should need a reboot, there should be a quicker way to fix it.
[22:52] <michael__> does that mean monitor?
[22:52] <NeoFax> michael__: Do cd /etc/X11
[22:53] <__-osh-__> NeoFax: I'll try to find the main one then. Hang on.
[22:53] <NeoFax> Then sudo nano xorg.conf
[22:53] <nosredna_ekim> michael__: sorry! power outage!
[22:53] <michael__> wow, no prob
[22:53] <Schuenemann> what is the command to unzip?
[22:53] <mauri> NeoFax: the stange thing is that if i remove xorg.conf from /etc/X11 the floppy icon is present in the desktop
[22:53] <sigma_123> anyone here tested kde4 rc2 lately? if so how did it run?
[22:53] <NeoFax> Scroll down and look for the driver section for your video card.  It should say driver   "nvidia". Change that to "nv"
[22:53] <ardchoille> Schuenemann: unzip
[22:54] <nosredna_ekim> Schuenemann: for a tar.gz, "tar xvzf <arvive name>"
[22:54] <nosredna_ekim> sigma_123: yes, I have
[22:54] <__-osh-__> sudo rmmod snd
[22:54] <__-osh-__> ERROR: Module snd is in use by snd_emux_synth,snd_seq_virmidi,snd_emu10k1,snd_hwdep,snd_seq_oss,snd_via82xx,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_seq,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_via82xx_modem,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer
[22:54] <Schuenemann> nah, it's a zip
[22:55] <michael__> NeoFax: was that sudo nano thing meant for me?
[22:55] <__-osh-__> Nope. removing snd isn't that easy... :-/
[22:55] <NeoFax> michael__: Yes
[22:55] <michael__> ok
[22:55] <sigma_123> nosrednaekim: yeah i know u have :)
[22:55] <nosredna_ekim> Schuenemann: humm well, read the tar man age
[22:55] <nosredna_ekim> sigma_123: I can't remember who all works.
[22:55] <Schuenemann> what's wrong with unzip?
[22:55] <nosredna_ekim> *asks
[22:55] <NeoFax> __-osh-__: Kubuntuism it seems.  It works fine here on Sidux.  I just tried it.  Let me look around.
[22:56] <michael__> ok there
[22:56] <__-osh-__> sigma_123: I've run kde4rc2. It's a good start. Not ready to replace 3.x-series yet, still pretty cool.
[22:56] <sourcemaker> Schuenemann: unzip is working fine
[22:56] <NeoFax> michael__: Do you see where the driver section is located with the nvidia string?
[22:56] <mauri> NeoFax: are you still there
[22:56] <nosredna_ekim> Schuenemann: never used that... in fact, I hardly ever use zips ;)
[22:57] <Schuenemann> sourcemaker, what does "inflating" mean?
[22:57] <michael__> looking...
[22:57] <NeoFax> mauri: Does the floppy icon always show? Or is it a recent thing?   I... just don't... lol
[22:57] <sigma_123> osh: what did u find lacking in it?
[22:58] <ardchoille> Schuenemann: Using Linux, most of the archive's one finds will be .tar, .tar.gz or .tar.bz2
[22:58] <michael__> NOTE... I am on a live cd and not an install
[22:58] <nosredna_ekim> michael__: yeah, you will be able to safe this file long enough to install it ;)
[22:58] <Schuenemann> ardchoille, but, why? Isn't zip a free format?
[22:59] <mauri> NeoFax: no, no icon is shown
[22:59] <Schuenemann> __-osh-__, I know that, but, how does that suit an unzip command?
[22:59] <ganjamaniac> i hope linux will be more usable in the future
[22:59] <sigma_123> i hapen to think its more usable than windows
[22:59] <sourcemaker> Schuenemann: just use unzip filename... that's all
[22:59] <__-osh-__> sigma_123: configuration tools. polish. applicatons that work. applications that don't crash. drag-and-drop. lots of things. Still, I understand that the first version can't be "perfect" so I still say release it and let the app-devels have their time with it. It will be good eventually. KDE3 wasn't such a bit hit when it came out either.
[22:59] <nosredna_ekim> michael__: so you found that section where it says Driver "nvidia"?
[23:00] <ganjamaniac> houndrets of installers and such crap
[23:00] <__-osh-__> Schuenemann: it means that it's expanding the files to their orginal sizes.
[23:00] <ganjamaniac> i need to toast a kernel now
[23:00] <Schuenemann> sourcemaker, I did it before and it worked, thanks
[23:00] <ardchoille> ganjamaniac: If you have a support question, then please state it. But, that kind of complain really has no place here.
[23:00] <nosredna_ekim> michael__: very sorry! I have to go eat too... hopefully NeoFax is back soon!
[23:01] <Schuenemann> __-osh-__, oh, well, never heard that expression in uncompressing files before
[23:01] <michael__> it lists... as "Generic video card"  driver "vesa"    BusID "PCI"
[23:01] <ganjamaniac> i apologize my complains, but i am going to get crazy with my nvidia gfx card
[23:01] <sigma_123> ganjamaniac: thats what i thought as well. but it actually is more efficient than windows
[23:01] <sourcemaker> Schuenemann: Bust most unix archives are using tar, tar.gz, tar.bz2
[23:01] <ganjamaniac> i don't talk about windows
[23:01] <__-osh-__> Schuenemann: well, uncompress and inflate have almost the same meaning...
[23:02] <ganjamaniac> i talk about usability, like a graphic driver setup, thats really messed up for beginners
[23:02] <NeoFax> OK, I'm back.  Kids were misbehaving.
[23:02] <michael__> it says nothing about "Nvidia"
[23:02] <ganjamaniac> you have to download the kernel sources and such stuff, to install a graphic driver, thats kinda na
[23:02] <NeoFax> michael__: OK, what does it say?  fglrx, vesa, nv, ati...
[23:02] <sigma_123> ganjamaniac: how are u trying to install it? i installed one package an my card worked perfectly
[23:03] <michael__> it lists... as "Generic video card"  driver "vesa"    BusID "PCI"
[23:03] <ganjamaniac> yeah it works perfectly , after boot it doesn't regconize the card
[23:03] <sigma_123> ganjamaniac: no u dont not 4 nvidia
[23:03] <coverer> Somebody, help! Mozilla FileFox doesn't work, and if works, opens only pages previously opened in Konquerer
[23:03] <ardchoille> !nvidia | ganjamaniac have you seen this page?
[23:03] <ubotu> ganjamaniac have you seen this page?: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[23:03] <NeoFax> michael__: Change that to nv instead of vesa and then CTRL-x and save the file.  Then do startx
[23:03] <ganjamaniac> the card will not be regconized after reboot, i have to use the installer
[23:04] <mauri> NeoFax: no, no icon is shown
[23:04] <ganjamaniac> i used the installer stopping kde then sudo sh Nvidia-blah-pkg2.bin
[23:04] <sigma_123> ganjamaniac: use the glx drivers in the repo
[23:04] <michael__> how?  this looks like a read only file
[23:04] <ganjamaniac> this drivers aren't compatible for cuda computing
[23:04] <ardchoille> ganjamaniac: You really should have used the repository package, it works.
[23:04] <NeoFax> mauri: OK, then for it to show in dolphin just do sudo mount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy
[23:05] <sigma_123> ganjamaniac: even i cudnt do that!
[23:05] <ganjamaniac> the driver works, until next reboot
[23:05] <michael__> just type in "nv"?
[23:05] <ganjamaniac> i saved the xconf files in the X11 dir
[23:05] <coverer> What can be done to solve this problem?
[23:05] <ardchoille> ganjamaniac: Did you install Gutsy?
[23:05] <NeoFax> michael__: Replace the vesa with nv
[23:05] <michael__> lol, duhh
[23:05] <ganjamaniac> yeah a ape called gibbon
[23:05] <Schuenemann> nv or nvidia?
[23:05] <michael__> sorry
[23:05] <sigma_123> ganjamaniac: the glx drivers or the ones from nvidia?
[23:05] <NeoFax> coverer: Remove firefox and reinstall
[23:05] <ganjamaniac> of cours4
[23:06] <michael__> does it matter ? (nv or nvidia?
[23:06] <mauri> NeoFax: thank, it is mounted now, but it still not exist an icon in dolhpin manager. Do you know the reason why?
[23:06] <coverer> NeoFax, i did it for two time with the same result
[23:06] <sigma_123> usually the drivers only activate after a restart
[23:06] <ganjamaniac> i think the installer didn't set a path$ var
[23:06] <NeoFax> michael__: I don't think the LiveCD has the nvidia drivers on it
[23:06] <ganjamaniac> or something
[23:07] <michael__> ok
[23:07] <ganjamaniac> i don't know whats wrong whatever
[23:07] <sigma_123> ganjamaniac: did u install the package we told u to get from the repos?
[23:07] <ganjamaniac> first i installed that, then i upgraded to a new driver
[23:07] <NeoFax> mauri: In kcontrol there is a config to show mounted partitions and drives change this and it should work.  For dolphin, I am not positive, but all of the files will be in /media/floppy now.
[23:07] <ganjamaniac> because the repo driver doesn't support the cuda stuff
[23:08] <sigma_123> get nvidia-glx from packages.ubuntu.com
[23:08] <michael__> I have no option to save
[23:08] <sourcemaker> michael__: yes... nv is the nvidia driver... nvidia is a fallback dummy driver
[23:08] <ganjamaniac> no, i really need CUDA computing on this machine for FFT calculations
[23:08] <michael__> thanks sourcemaker
[23:08] <ganjamaniac> and the repo driver doesn't support cuda
[23:08] <ardchoille> michael__: nv is 2d, nvidia is 3d acceleration
[23:08] <sigma_123> huh isnt nvidia the prop driver and nv the opensource one?
[23:08] <michael__> ahh
[23:08] <NeoFax> michael__: Just hit CTRL-X and then it should prompt you to save.  Type y and it will save the file
[23:08] <michael__> gottcha
[23:09] <sigma_123> yeah thats wat i thought
[23:09] <mauri> NeoFax: sorry...where is kcontrol
[23:09] <NeoFax> ardchoille: nv does 3d as well, just not as good as the nvidia driver.
[23:09] <michael__> keep file name I guess right?
[23:09] <NeoFax> mauri: Alt+F2 and then type kcontrol
[23:09] <NeoFax> michael__: YES
[23:09] <michael__> go it
[23:09] <michael__> got
[23:10] <ganjamaniac> maybe duke nukem help me
[23:10] <sigma_123> nv dont do 3d as far as im concerned. geting ther slowly tho
[23:10] <ganjamaniac> but duke in dn3d forever
[23:10] <sourcemaker> michael__: is wrong: nv is 3d acceleration and nvidia is 2d... I am using a nvidia graphics card... with 3D *g*
[23:10] <sigma_123> ganjamaniac: does that even work in windows?
[23:10] <michael__> ok
[23:11] <michael__> I get a fatal error
[23:11] <sourcemaker> michael__: I am wrong----
[23:11] <michael__> fatal server erro actually
[23:11] <sourcemaker> michael__: nvidia is 3D :-)
[23:11] <ardchoille> NeoFax: Ah, good to know
[23:11] <NeoFax> michael__: nvidia is the proprietary NVIDIA built module.  Which is the best 3d you will get on Linux.
[23:12] <sigma_123> sourcemaker: no he isnt. i play 3d games with nvidia and can barely browse my computer with jerks with nv
[23:12] <NeoFax> michael__: When you start X?
[23:12] <michael__> yes
[23:12] <michael__> says...
[23:12] <sourcemaker> sigma_123: Yes...I know... I was wrong.... I already wrote
[23:12] <michael__> server is alredy running for display 0
[23:12] <sigma_123> sorry missed it
[23:13] <NeoFax> michael__: OK, do sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[23:13] <michael__> if server is no long running, remove /tmp/.XO-lock and start again
[23:13] <michael__> ok
[23:15] <michael__> lol
[23:15] <michael__> it said no such file or dir, then restated into X
[23:15] <michael__> its looking perdy
[23:15] <NeoFax> michael__: Congrats!
[23:16] <michael__> thank you sir
[23:16] <NeoFax> NP
[23:16] <il12> has anyone tried running Kubuntu from an external USB-connected harddrive? if so, how well does this work?
[23:16] <michael__> so after a install, it will reboot to x?
[23:16] <Lisper> hi
[23:16] <mauri> NeoFax: ok thanks
[23:16] <Schuenemann> michael__, pray so
[23:16] <michael__> lol
[23:17] <Lisper> should I add any repository to install compiz-fusion on kde (kubuntu gutsy)
[23:17] <michael__> well, I am install on a 500 gig drive with XP
[23:17] <Schuenemann> michael__, backup your xorg.conf in case X can't be started
[23:17] <NeoFax> michael__: No, what you will need to do is remember after the install to change the vesa to nv again.  There is a way to do it, but it requires chrooting and such.
[23:17] <sigma_123> Lisper: no. just use the ubuntu repos
[23:18] <Lisper> ok
[23:18] <Lisper> so I just apt-get install compiz and I'm ready to go, right?
[23:18] <sigma_123> Lisper: instructions at help.ubuntu.com
[23:18] <Lisper> drivers are in place
[23:18] <NeoFax> Lisper: !compiz
[23:18] <michael__> lol, I have no idea what I just did
[23:18] <Lisper> !compiz
[23:18] <NeoFax> !compiz
[23:18] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[23:19] <Lisper> cool
[23:19] <sigma_123> check out the site to see which ones2install. kde needs more packages
[23:19] <sigma_123> yeah thats da link
[23:20] <sigma_123> i always 4get how2do dat
[23:20] <noaXess> is it normal that i can't create a vfat hd with 180GB?
[23:20] <sigma_123> why not ext 3 it?
[23:20] <NeoFax> noaXess: What is the error?
[23:21] <sigma_123> can anyone tel me wats so good bout reiserfs?
[23:21] <Lisper> I'm using Gutsy so there's no need to add any repository but compiz-kde is not there
[23:21] <NeoFax> sigma_123: Nothing now.
[23:21] <noaXess> sigma_123: i work with qtparted, i can create the vfat partition but if i format it, it says unknown fs type..
[23:21] <michael__> hey swap file should be double of your memory?
[23:21] <michael__> I forgot
[23:22] <sigma_123> oh i got that 2. giv me a sec il tel u wat to do
[23:22] <NeoFax> michael__: That is what I do. Some say 1.5 of your memory.
[23:22] <michael__> working with 2 gigs
[23:22] <Lisper> NeoFax: could you help me a second please?
[23:22] <NeoFax> noaXess: Try using cfdisk.
[23:22] <nosredna_ekim> sigma_123: generally, rieser is good for a lot of big files
[23:22] <michael__> ok thanks
[23:23] <NeoFax> Lisper: OK, but I haven't used compiz in a while.
[23:23] <sigma_123> noaXcess: try clicking the format button
[23:23] <noaXess> NeoFax: okay..
[23:23] <il12> has anyone attempted to run Kubuntu from an external USB HDD?
[23:23] <nosredna_ekim> il12: yes
[23:23] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: Do you know... where I can find the .config file from the current kubuntu kernel for compiling the lastest my own?
[23:23] <nosredna_ekim> NeoFax: fixed michael__' s X?
[23:23] <NeoFax> nosredna_ekim: I wouldn't use reiser anymore.  Ext3 has caught up and passed it. Also, it is no longer supported other than critical bugs.
[23:23] <il12> nosredna_ekim: how well has this worked for you?
[23:23] <nosredna_ekim> yeah
[23:23] <killer_> w/o init.d how do I change the runlevel?  I'm reading upstart.unbuntu.com.. not obvious yet..and "man upstart" fails to produce on-server documentation
[23:23] <nosredna_ekim> il12: works great
[23:24] <NeoFax> nosredna_ekim: Yes
[23:24] <Lisper> NeoFax: In the help.ubuntu.com site, it says that if I have feisty I have to add  another repo, but not if I use gutsy. Still, there's no package called compiz-kde in the gutsy repo
[23:24] <nosredna_ekim> il12: as long as your computer can boot from USB
[23:24] <il12> nosredna_ekim: ty
[23:24] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: It should be in /usr/src or in /boot
[23:24] <sigma_123> didnt that guy that designed reiser fs get charged 4the death of his russian mail order bride?
[23:24] <il12> nosredna_ekim: yes, it can, and I've got four USB ports so if I can't then there's something seriously wrong with my computer. haha!
[23:25] <noaXess> sigma_123: it won't :(
[23:25] <nosredna_ekim> sigma_123: thats pretty much the story.
[23:25] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: It's in boot thanks
[23:25] <NeoFax> Lisper: This is my own personal opinion, so take with a grain of salt.  I would use t3vno's packages for compiz.  That is what I used like 6 months ago and they were kept updated and very few problems.
[23:26] <Lisper> hmm
[23:26] <KkValetekK> hello people :)
[23:26] <killer_> This task guesses what the "default runlevel" should be ... "guesses"??
[23:26] <killer_> sheesh
[23:26] <sigma_123> oh well at least he finished designing the filesystem:) i didnt know people actually ordered brides off da internet. thought it was a joke. lol
[23:26] <greythane> NeoFax: where can I find t3vno's stuff. I have use the gusty stuff without problems but are interested in checking
[23:27] <NeoFax> greythane: Lisper: See this:  http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=1012
[23:27] <killer_> could someone highlight why event.d is better than previous runlevel controls?
[23:27] <nosredna_ekim> sigma_123: well, thats not what happened really.. but lol
[23:28] <sigma_123> he was probably framed!
[23:29] <Lisper> gotta restart x
[23:29] <Lisper> brb
[23:29] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: Is there a difference between kernel.org and the kubuntu kernel...?
[23:29] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: YES, very much so.  There is a big difference between distros as well.
[23:30] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: so I should install the lastest kernel?
[23:30] <sourcemaker> NeoFax:  should not
[23:30] <sigma_123> guys we are lagging. the ubuntu channel has more than 1100 people! lol. need to drum up the support somehow
[23:30] <nosredna_ekim> sigma_123: don't!I like it quiet :D
[23:31] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: Depends on your reasons.  I upgrade to the latest as I am a updater whore.  The only real reason you should is for hardware support.
[23:31] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: The WLAN Card is not working... the problem has been solved in 2.6.23.x
[23:32] <il12> Ok, question. I want to install lastfm on my computer but when I go to do it it says an older version is open on a software channel and it's recommended to use this one since it is more likely to have support for it.
[23:32] <killer_> ok.. /etc/event.d/rc-default script guesses wrong, it starts in GUI mode
[23:32] <sigma_123> fair enough. the main message window on ubuntu. just keeps flying down. its crazy! but no fair cos they hav more devs
[23:32] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: Compiling the lastest stable version from kernel.org with the kubuntu .config.... is this safe? Or are there more kubuntu changes... in the sources?
[23:32] <il12> So do I go with the recommended and find it in a software channel (whatever this happens to be........ I am very new to this), or just go with the latest version that I've just downloaded the packages of?
[23:32] <nosredna_ekim> sigma_123: :D
[23:32] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: That is why you should.  However, as K/X/Ubuntu does drivers differently than anyone else, I would weigh the reason before jumping down the rabbit hole.
[23:33] <nosredna_ekim> il12: you know, Amarok has full support for last.fm
[23:33] <Dr_willis> Hmm anyone know of a rather simple command/tool to convert a bunch of mpg's i recordded with mythtv to somthing a lot smaller.I got a script for avidmux - but its not working. :(
[23:33] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: Yes it is safe, but see my previous response.  There is alot of ease you give up by doing this.
[23:33] <killer_> !runlevel
[23:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about runlevel - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:33] <killer_> figures
[23:33] <nosredna_ekim> Dr_willis: yeah..... there is a perl script out there, forget the name
[23:33] <sigma_123> well neva fear when then see the light they'll switch to kde:)
[23:34] <nosredna_ekim> Dr_willis: it was in a Linux Journal
[23:34] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: ok... well I Gentoo ... is was much easier.. to update the kernel version... ;-)
[23:34] <il12> nosredna_ekim: Ok, my apologies. I had thought it did but when I looked on last.fm it hadn't shown my playlist history even after refreshing, but it does now. Ty! sorry to bother
[23:34] <nosredna_ekim> il12: no problem :D
[23:34] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: In every other distro it is.  K/X/Ubuntu has their proprietary deb package that kills this.
[23:35] <Dr_willis> nosredna_ekim,  heh, ok googling around a bit.
[23:35] <Dr_willis> Im niot sure why my avidmux script fails some times
[23:35] <killer_> !inittab
[23:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about inittab - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:35] <killer_> firgures
[23:35] <NeoFax> Dr_willis: Why not use mencoder and use a little bash script?
[23:35] <NeoFax> killer_: what is the problem?
[23:36] <sigma_123> well im out. its way past bedtime:)
[23:36] <Dr_willis> NeoFax,  thats it- trying to figure out the command lines. :)
[23:36] <NeoFax> killer_: Ubuntu doesn't use a inittab BTW
[23:36] <Dr_willis> 12 differnet tools with 10000  optuions.
[23:36] <Dr_willis> heh heh
[23:36] <killer_> problem is I installed kubuntu gutsy, then tried to edit /etc/inittab to change the runlevel
[23:36] <killer_> so now I"m lost
[23:36] <nosredna_ekim> Dr_willis: and a million line long man page :D
[23:37] <Dr_willis> i can do them one at a time with Avidemux  - but for some (@*&*@&*@!@ reason the script i have some times fails.
[23:37] <Dr_willis> guessing a typo/space somthing issue
[23:37] <NeoFax> Dr_willis: Use mencoder on one to see what options you like and such and just do a loop command to loop thru each file.
[23:37] <il12> Is there a way for me to install Kubuntu onto my external HDD without having to burn it to a cd first..? I can unpack the .iso file if need be.
[23:37] <nosredna_ekim> !persistent
[23:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about persistent - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:38] <nosredna_ekim> il12: yes... there is a way.
[23:38] <noaXess> any idea, why i can't format a vfat hd.. and my system won't know it..
[23:38] <Dr_willis> NeoFax,  excet  i got no cluie what half the options do. :)  I just need them Anything smaller then the 2gb+ size each one is now
[23:38] <noaXess> fat32
[23:38] <Dr_willis> !find transcode
[23:38] <ubotu> Found: xfonts-100dpi-transcoded, xfonts-75dpi-transcoded, gtranscode, transcode, transcode-doc (and 1 others)
[23:38] <noaXess> !fat32
[23:38] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[23:38] <NeoFax> killer_: K/X/Ubuntu only uses 1,2,6 and S.  3,4 and 5 are not really used.  It is a debianism they picked up.
[23:38] <Dr_willis> Aha! gtranscode!
[23:38] <nosredna_ekim> Dr_willis: it was the GTK curse... ;)
[23:38] <nosredna_ekim> *has
[23:38] <Dr_willis> !find ktranscode
[23:38] <Dr_willis> :)
[23:39] <nosredna_ekim> lol
[23:39] <ubotu> Package/file ktranscode does not exist in gutsy
[23:39] <Dr_willis> i need to figure out some day how to make mythtv recode these things
[23:39] <il12> nosredna_ekim: it would install the same or a similar way without me having to format the drive? it would just partition or I could use Ubuntu to create a partition on the drive for it to use to install Kubuntu onto?
[23:39] <nosredna_ekim> Dr_willis: check out mythburn
[23:39] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: Can I install only one package from the unsupported list? For example my kernel?
[23:39] <killer_> NeoFax: only concerned w/ gui/multiuser and NONgui/multiuser
[23:40] <nosredna_ekim> il12: either should work.... search google for "persistent ubuntu install"
[23:40] <il12> nosredna_ekim: alright. but, I have to ask, why 'persistent'? so that it won't give me the info for the livecd?
[23:40] <NeoFax> killer_: In /etc/inittab put 5 in the inittab line.
[23:41] <killer_> there is no /etc/inittab
[23:41] <nosredna_ekim> il12: no... thats a sort of installation where you can take the USB drive anywhere to any computer and it will redetect your hardware
[23:42] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: I wouldn't.  You are asking for trouble.    The reason is I only have a few modules that need the restricted modules support so compiling them by hand is easier for me.
[23:42] <killer_> NeoFax: the missing /etc/inittab is kinda what started my issues today
[23:42] <il12> nosredna_ekim: ahh, ty. sorry. I just started with Ubuntu on friday.
[23:42] <nosredna_ekim> il12: yeah... no problem :D
[23:42] <killer_> NeoFax: "man runlevel" does not explain the runlevels supported
[23:42] <michael__> question
[23:43] <A|i3N> YO anyone here know anything about using a Sprint Mogul phone with Kubuntu 7.10??!?!!?! I use it on windows for my internet and I want to use it with linux also
[23:43] <NeoFax> killer_: So, you have a missing inittab and are currently in kubuntu?
[23:43] <Dr_willis> Hmm..  WARNING: non .avi file (we only support multiple avi files in gtranscode) Is_It_Real____2007_10_20__2_00_AM___Chupacabra.mpg
[23:43] <michael__> is it grup that is the non graphical dual boot screen?
[23:43] <Dr_willis> Wonder if that means they MUST be named .avi  ... heh heh
[23:43] <michael__> I mean grub
[23:43] <il12> nosredna_ekim: will this work for an external HDD? it's 500GB and I've got 300GB+ free so I know that having room on it wouldn't be the issues.
[23:43] <tuxwulf3> Do I post questions about dolphin here? or in offtopic?
[23:43] <Dr_willis> !dolphin
[23:43] <ubotu> Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[23:43] <Dr_willis> :) depends on the q. heh
[23:43] <nosredna_ekim> il12: yes, the procedure is the same
[23:43] <killer_> NeoFax: yep, fresh install of gutsy
[23:43] <nosredna_ekim> il12: though I think it needs to start off empty...
[23:43] <il12> nosredna_ekim: wonderful! tyvm
[23:44] <il12> crap........
[23:44] <cahuez> hiya there..!
[23:44] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: Nice to know!  So I am waiting... and waiting... and waiting... for the next kernel update from kubuntu.... :-)
[23:44] <nosredna_ekim> il12: of course... you can try to install it the normal way...
[23:44] <nosredna_ekim> sourcemaker: its not going to happen until April
[23:44] <tuxwulf3> Yes thank you but that was not the question...
[23:44] <killer_> I've been SA'ing *nix systems since 96 and found nothing missing from SysV init
[23:44] <il12> nosredna_dekim: Will it let me choose which HDD I use?
[23:44] <sourcemaker> nosredna_ekim: oohh...
[23:45] <sourcemaker> nosredna_ekim: that's bad
[23:45] <nosredna_ekim> il12: yes.... just don't use the automatic partitioning
[23:45] <nosredna_ekim> sourcemaker: you can download the Hardy Alpha..
[23:45] <tuxwulf3> Right. The question is how to change default views in dolphin - how to set them so they are always the same
[23:45] <il12> nosredna_ekim: and I am supposed to do this how? I'm sorry, I don't even remember -having- that option when I originally installed Ubuntu...
[23:45] <nosredna_ekim> il12: its on the partitioning step... select "manual"
[23:46] <sourcemaker> nosredna_ekim: Well... using aAlpha software is not an option...
[23:46] <il12> nosredna_ekim' tyvm.
[23:46] <nosredna_ekim> il12: for safety, you can unplug your internal disc first.
[23:46] <tuxwulf3> Konversation in 710 is also ... not remembering settings, it seems...
[23:46] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: Yes, unless you want to compile one yourself.  Since you've been on Gentoo, it should not be hard for you.  Just remember, if you need to install a kernel module package, you will have to do it yourself.
[23:46] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: ok... this should be easy
[23:47] <il12> nosredna_ekim: it's a laptop, so I'll pass on that bit. ;) I'll wait and see if I can get a USB flash/thumbdrive that's clean and try it then.
[23:47] <NeoFax> nosredna_ekim: I thought the Hardy kernel was just one step up from Gutsy and not 2.6.23.
[23:47] <nosredna_ekim> NeoFax: actually.. its 2.6.24rc2!
[23:48] <crimsun> nosredna_ekim: no, it's -rc5 plus a larger delta.
[23:48] <nosredna_ekim> yeah... well <_<
[23:48] <nosredna_ekim> I'm behind a little :D
[23:49] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: So, if this is the case, then just use Hardy's kernel.  It keeps the ubuntu ease and provides the module you need.
[23:49] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: how can I download this kernel?
[23:49] <NeoFax> nosredna_ekim: Don't feel bad, I didn't even know they were using the .24 series ;)
[23:49] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: Go to the hardy repos and download it then sudo dpkg -i
[23:50] <tuxwulf3> ... But I guess I will ask for Konqueror back as my default file manager. Why it changed to dolphin, no idea. Bad choice
[23:50] <NeoFax> And before anyone suggests adding Hardy's repo and installing from there don't!!!
[23:51] <firecrotch> I'm curious as to how the "Check CD for Defects" option on the Live CD works... can anyone shed some light on that one for me?
[23:51] <nosredna_ekim> firecrotch: hmm I'm not sure really.
[23:51] <NeoFax> firecrotch: md5
[23:51] <biovore> probably MD5 sum of the disk image
[23:52] <firecrotch> That's what I thought, but how can you have a CD image that knows what it's own md5 sum should be?
[23:52] <sd132> is ther a way to adjust the desktop position in kubuntu?
[23:52] <biovore> you know what you wrote.. there on there site..
[23:52] <NeoFax> firecrotch: It has the md5 in a file on the cd.  The program runs md5 and then checks this against the fiel
[23:53] <A|i3N8> mogul, Kubuntu, and USB phone as modem anyone know anything bout setting it up? Using 7.10
[23:53] <firecrotch> NeoFax:  So the md5 sum is in a separate file on the CD, apart from the image?
[23:54] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: Can you give me the URL?
[23:54] <firecrotch> Okay, I think I get it....
[23:54] <NeoFax> A|i3N8: Check this out: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=522600
[23:55] <coverer> Mozilla firefox opens only pages previously opened in Konqueror :(
[23:55] <NeoFax> firecrotch: When you burn the CD it is no longer a image.
[23:55] <firecrotch> NeoFax:  Right.  I get how it works now
[23:55] <NeoFax> coverer: sudo aptitude remove firefox && sudo aptitude install firefox.
[23:55] <A|i3N8> i'm new to linux kinda used kubuntu before and liked it so i dual booted it. I was SOOOOOOOO surprised when i installed it on my vista system and it resized my HD, made a partition, installed and dual booted without a hitch lol amazing
[23:56] <jpatrick> or... sudo aptitude install --reinstall firefox
[23:56] <nosredna_ekim> A|i3N8: yup :D
 yeap, i did it too..!
[23:56] <nosredna_ekim> A|i3N8: as for phone modems... there is a factoid around here somewhere..
[23:56] <firecrotch> A|i3N8: have you tried to boot back into vista? because when I used the kubuntu live CD to resize a vista partition, it screwed it up
[23:57] <nosredna_ekim> yeah... you should resize from within vista..
[23:57] <Schuenemann> does conversion to FLV to MPEG lose quality? (not sure if the question suits the channel)
, are you able to boot back vista again..!?
[23:57] <nosredna_ekim> Schuenemann: to FLV to MPEG............. from what?
[23:57] <A|i3N8> yea i'm in vista now i have no internet on linux till i get this figured out and figure out how to DO it once i find the instructions hehe
[23:57] <tuxwulf3> Yup ... I never trust automatic partitioning...
[23:57] <Schuenemann> from FLV to MPEG, sorry
[23:57] <nosredna_ekim> !phone
[23:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about phone - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:57] <NickPresta> Schuenemann, the mpeg video can only be as good as it's source. FLV is (usually) pretty low quality.
[23:57] <cahuez> inside vista you can resize the ntfs parts..
[23:57] <nosredna_ekim> !modem
[23:57] <ubotu> You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto
[23:58] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: Do you know the repos url ?
[23:58] <Schuenemann> NickPresta, is it as good as the source?
[23:59] <A|i3N8> so far from what i'm finding i gotta have a bluetooth adapter
[23:59] <NickPresta> Schuenemann, basically, your (converted) mpeg video can only be as good a quality as the source video is (the FLV video). You can't get quality out of nowhere. If you want to ask more questions, #kubuntu-offtopic please =)
[23:59] <A|i3N8> I don't have dialup access hehe
[23:59] <A|i3N8> i use my sprint mogul
[23:59] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy/main/
[23:59] <A|i3N8> thank you for pointing me in the right direction to search for it though :)
[23:59] <nosredna_ekim> A|i3N8: yeah... but the methods are pretty close. i'm digging up a tutorial for you


[07:35] <dholbach> good morning
[09:26]  * dholbach relocates to the office
[10:56] <popey> dholbach: http://popey.com/blog/2015/03/25/making-a-portable-persistent-ubuntu-usb-stick/ \o/
[10:57] <dholbach> popey, nice one!
[10:57] <dholbach> really nice work
[10:58] <dholbach> it'd be good if we updated our app dev school image to that system :)
[10:58] <dholbach> and update it regularly
[10:58] <popey> yeah. will look at automating it
[10:59]  * dholbach hugs popey
[11:01] <popey> \o/ Mission accomplished.
[12:39] <balloons> good morning all
[17:33]  * dholbach call it a day - have a great rest of yours!