[01:55] <Unit193> Does Launchpad take into account Built-For-Profiles in the changes field?
[02:07] <MillenniumB> Is there any way to view only all unassigned blueprints?
[02:22] <Unit193> Huh, it does.
[02:25] <Unit193> Oh hrm, log looked like it would, but it doesn't.  OK.
[03:56] <tsimonq2> Could someone on the SRU team please look at bug 1703307? The verification has been done for 9 days now.
[04:52] <CodeMouse92__> I just hit THIS bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapcraft/+bug/1587193
[04:52] <CodeMouse92__> Updated it with more information, can it be taken off of expired?
[08:33] <sil2100> hm, what powers do I need to have to be able to remove ubuntu-sponsors from the subscribers?
[08:33] <sil2100> I seem to be an indirect owner of the team but I can't remove it from bugs
[08:34] <sil2100> @pilot in
[08:37] <tsimonq2> sil2100: Could you please force sync link-grammar for me? :) 5.3.16-2 applies the Ubuntu delta (just adding a dependency).
[08:37] <tsimonq2> (patch pilot <3)
[08:37] <sil2100> tsimonq2: looking!
[08:42] <sil2100> tsimonq2: all good, done
[08:42] <tsimonq2> sil2100: Thanks :)
[08:57] <cjwatson> Unit193: Not at present.  (dak doesn't either.)  What would it do with that?
[09:01] <tsimonq2> sil2100: Could you please take a look at bug 1708392 as well? :)
[09:02] <sil2100> tsimonq2: let me take a look after I'm done with some budgie bits ;) (if I don't forget!)
[09:02] <tsimonq2> sil2100: Sure, this is why I love patch pilot so much ;)
[09:09] <Laibsch> Can a kind soul please help me understand what is going on in bug 991471?  I don't know udisks2 enough and it seems at least I have another disk monitoring daemon running somehow (udev-based?)
[09:09] <Unit193> cjwatson: So I noticed, though in this regard I was referring to PPAs more than Ubuntu repos, though that certainly could be useful too.  In this case, I was wondering if it'd read the field in *.changes.
[09:14] <cjwatson> Unit193: I think probably the only thing we could usefully do would be to reject uploads that contain it, but that'd be much more relevant if we allowed binary uploads
[09:14] <cjwatson> I guess we could parse it out, but I'd be surprised if we ever actually saw it at the moment ...
[09:16] <sil2100> cjwatson: hey! Do you know by any chance what powers I need to be able to unsubscribe ubuntu-sponsors from bugs?
[09:16] <infinity> I'd argue that if we see it in an upload, that upload is buggy currently, and it should be rejected.
[09:16] <infinity> sil2100: You need to be a member of the team.
[09:16] <sil2100> infinity: I am, it seems
[09:16] <sil2100> infinity: LP says I 'indirectly own the team'
[09:16] <infinity> Owner != Member.
[09:16] <infinity> Confusingly.
[09:17] <infinity> Though owners can make themselves members. :P
[09:17] <tsimonq2> This is how we keep the Kubuntu Council and the Kubuntu Ninjas separate with the KC as admins, so it's there for a reason. :P
[09:17] <tsimonq2> (meaning, I see the use in it)
[09:17] <tsimonq2> Although I can agree that it's a bit confusing.
[09:18] <cjwatson> Right, you have to actually be a member.
[09:18] <infinity> Oh, no, it makes sense to have owners not automatically be members indeed.  Just that it's not "intuitive" to some people that that's the case.
[09:18] <infinity> But the TB and CC and such certainly shouldn't be members of every team they own, for instance.
[09:27] <Unit193> infinity: Why would you say that?
[09:43] <cjwatson> Unit193: Well, profiles are meant to be off by default, and our buildds don't enable them.
[09:43] <cjwatson> Though I can imagine in future that it might be useful to build a PPA with a particular set of profiles enabled.
[09:49] <Unit193> cjwatson: Yeah I was thinking that, figured while it might be nice to enable indicators with it, doubt that'd ever get past.
[10:01] <infinity> Unit193: "enable indicators with it"?
[10:01] <infinity> Unit193: Build-profiles aren't meant to be Gentoo use flags.
[10:06] <cjwatson> Profiles are generally more for disabling things than for enabling them.
[10:11] <Unit193> Indeed.
[10:18] <Unit193> infinity: Hence the "kind of nice, but of course wouldn't fly" part.  It'd grow out of control pretty quickly.
[10:32] <infinity> juliank: You around?
[10:34] <infinity> juliank: Nevermind.  PEBKAC.
[12:29] <ahasenack> Err:23 http://br.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-backports/universe amd64 DEP-11 Metadata
[12:29] <ahasenack>   Hash Sum mismatch
[12:29] <ahasenack> should xenial still be getting that type of error? ^
[12:34] <cjwatson> ahasenack: not in general, but I think br.archive's mirror update procedure must be buggy; it has an InRelease file that lists things that aren't in its by-hash directories, which should be impossible with a proper two-stage sync
[14:48] <sil2100> @pilot out
[15:18] <gaughen> wgrant, have you seen "Thunderpants"?
[15:19] <wgrant> gaughen: Nope.
[15:19] <gaughen> damn.
[15:41] <benpicco> There is no sys/random.h (getrandom()) on Ubuntu 16.04?
[15:43] <ogra> surely in linux-libc-dev
[15:43] <rbasak> linux-libc-dev:amd64: /usr/include/linux/random.h
[15:43] <rbasak> If that's relevant?
[15:45] <rbasak> See getrandom(2)
[15:45] <rbasak> That says #include <linux/random.h>
[15:45] <rbasak> libc6-dev depends on linux-libc-dev
[15:46] <rbasak> So you should just need libc6-dev (or just build-essential)
[15:49] <benpicco> linux/random.h doesn't include getrandom() though
[15:50] <benpicco> only Flags for getrandom(2)
[15:52] <nacc> mdeslaur: does the apache2 change mean it's likely security won't get to the MIR for nghttp2 this cycle?
[15:54] <mdeslaur> nacc: I don't know, you need to ask tyhicks
[15:54] <nacc> mdeslaur: ack
[15:54] <nacc> tyhicks: --^ :)
[15:56] <tyhicks> nacc: no, it just allowed mdeslaur to land his security fixes
[15:57] <nacc> tyhicks: ok, thanks :)
[15:57] <nacc> tyhicks: just trying to make sure i'm putting the right status out there in the various bugs/trello
[15:59] <tyhicks> nacc: btw, the mod_http2 page has been updated to indicate that it is now an "extension" and not "experimental"
[15:59] <tyhicks> nacc: you might want to update the MIR description to reflect that
[15:59] <nacc> tyhicks: yep, i updated all the relevant bugs, i thought
[15:59] <nacc> tyhicks: i'll doublecheck
[16:00] <tyhicks> nacc: the MIR (bug 1687454) isn't clear on that
[16:01] <nacc> tyhicks: ack, just updated it to be a bit more explicit
[16:01] <tyhicks> thanks! :)
[16:11] <xnox> infinity, what i meant, yes ADT simply boots artful cloud image; but the scaling stack compute nodes are running xenial right? with xenial GA kernel and GA openstack / non-cloud-archive openstack?
[16:12] <xnox> infinity, as in me booting cloudimg adt builder on xenial host, booting artful cloudimage is close enough to scaling stack infra.
[16:12] <infinity> xnox: Well, sure, but other than potential qemu bugs, that shouldn't really make a difference.
[16:32] <bdmurray> rbasak: You'd suggested waiting more than 7 days in bug 1700373 but the bug got tagged v-done, should we untag it to avoid a mistake?
[17:11] <rbasak> bdmurray: I wondered that, but I didn't want to get into a battle with people over tags. What do you think in terms of appropriate verification?
[17:12] <rbasak> bdmurray: IOW, if some other SRU team member took an informed decision to release it, I wouldn't object (but I would expect that person to deal with any fallout).
[19:56] <smoser> bdmurray, if you're around and sru-teaming, i'd really appreciate a cloud-init review (xenial and zesty)
[20:26] <fossfreedom> hi jbicha - can you/do you know of someone who could help clarify some issues with my patch request please with gnome-desktop3 and gnome-screensaver?  TIA https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-desktop3/+bug/1703690


[05:46] <didrocks> good morning!
[05:52] <duflu> Morning didrocks
[05:52] <duflu> And bbl
[05:54] <didrocks> hey duflu
[06:01] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:15] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN
[06:15] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks, ça va?
[06:15] <didrocks> oSoMoN: enrhumé, mais ça va :)
[06:15] <didrocks> et toi ?
[06:16] <oSoMoN> ça va, la nuit fut courte, mais je me sens étonnamment en forme
[06:16] <didrocks> j'espère que ce étonnamment va rester :)
[06:17] <didrocks> tiens, je ne sais pas si t'as des idées sur les langpaks, mais vu que je parle de libreoffice, thunderbird, etc, tu es p-e intéressé quand tu auras le temps: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/1797860/
[06:17] <oSoMoN> je regarde
[06:18] <didrocks> pas urgent hein :)
[06:18] <didrocks> c'est juste des pistes de réflexion pour comprendre ce que l'on voudrait supporter
[06:24] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN
[06:33] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[07:45] <seb128> good morning desktopers (for a few minutes before taking off for an hour flight)
[07:50] <duflu> Morning seb128
[07:50] <duflu> 🛫
[07:51] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you?
[07:53] <duflu> seb128, going well. Slightly frustrated to be iterating old branches right now. But will finish soon. Have a nice week in sunny London
[07:53] <seb128> thx, I will be online as usual once there
[07:53] <seb128> do you get any traction for getting things landed upstream?
[07:54] <duflu> seb128, forward motion but not huge traction. The good news is that there is plenty of developer and community involvement in testing and review
[07:54] <duflu> Just not landing much when I resolve the problems
[07:56] <seb128> let's hope they do slowly get reviewed/landing still though
[07:56] <seb128> maybe next cycle it's all merged :)
[07:56] <duflu> Yeah, I am almost responsible for a quarter of mutter merge proposals right now
[07:56] <duflu> Open ones, not landing ones
[07:58] <seb128> shrug, launchpad keeps timeouting
[07:59] <seb128> k, moving, see you later!
[09:44] <seb128> hey again desktopers
[09:46] <duflu> 🛬  hi seb128
[09:46] <didrocks> we really have too many characters in UTF-8 :p
[09:46] <duflu> Would you believe you missed nothing?
[09:47] <duflu> Heh
[09:54] <seb128> didrocks, did bug #1798309 evert worked?
[09:54] <seb128> I guess in the pre-gnome-shell time the panel was handled by ubiquity and not an external process
[09:55] <oSoMoN> hey seb128, you had a good flight?
[09:55] <seb128> oSoMoN, yeah, less than an hour, uneventfull, they didn't have coffee though, just water/jiuce!
[09:56] <seb128> hey oSoMoN :) had a short night I saw?
[09:56] <seb128> still not tired?
[09:58] <oSoMoN> yes, and I'm still doing fine
[09:58] <oSoMoN> let's see how that goes just after lunch…
[09:58] <oSoMoN> when stomach takes over the brain
[10:00] <seb128> right, that's the tricky time of the day!
[10:00] <didrocks> seb128: indeed, in the pre-gnome-shell time. I just noticed it and I think it's good to have it listed. However, clearly not a blocker (that's why I didn't put as it) as it's not a regression
[10:01] <seb128> didrocks, I'm not even sure it's really fixable in fact, I commented on the bug
[10:01] <seb128> unless you reload the shell, which might mean other issues like flicker
[10:01] <didrocks> seb128: well, we would need to export new env variable and restart the shell
[10:01] <didrocks> but yeah
[10:01] <didrocks> I guess it could be an issue for setting up network… doesn't look polish anyway
[10:01] <didrocks> at least, logged :)
[10:01] <seb128> right
[10:01] <seb128> ubiquity has its own page for network
[10:02] <didrocks> that's true
[10:02] <seb128> but yeah, would be better if the panel changed dynamically
[10:02] <seb128> something for the new installer :)
[10:02] <didrocks> but right now, I'm the same: no clear idea on how to fix that without risking too much
[10:02] <didrocks> right!
[10:02]  * didrocks added a note already for it
[10:03] <didrocks> maybe the new installer should just be a full screen webpage
[10:03] <seb128> :)
[10:03] <didrocks> need to think about on screen keyboard ofc… anyway, enough digression, testing continue :p
[10:05] <seb128> :)
[10:05] <seb128> we need a locale picker screen pre-session maybe
[10:06] <seb128> g-i-s style
[10:06] <seb128> to replace the syslinux menu since we are loosing that on uefi
[10:07] <didrocks> yeah, that could be a solution
[10:07] <didrocks> the issue is more for the nomodeset or so…
[10:07] <didrocks> as the goal is to get something displayed… :p
[10:18] <xnox> andyrock, https://pastebin.canonical.com/p/QdtxJzwswS/
[10:18] <xnox> just to force you to use SSO ;-)
[10:25] <seb128> andyrock, can you give me the mp url?
[10:25] <andyrock> https://code.launchpad.net/%7Eazzar1/ubuntu/+source/gnome-initial-setup/+git/gnome-initial-setup/+merge/356910
[10:25] <seb128> thx
[10:29] <willcooke> andyrock, seb128 thank you!
[10:44] <Trevinho> willcooke: have you tested your laptop further with the fix?
[10:45] <Trevinho> I also hacked some other gdm changes yesterday so maybe we can get rid of the wait tool.
[10:46] <willcooke> Trevinho, they broke my haunted laptop
[10:46] <Laney> If you fix it properly upstream we can replace it.
[10:46] <willcooke> so I can't reproduce it any more even on the broken images :'(
[10:46] <willcooke> I'll do more testing
[11:09] <Trevinho> willcooke:ah, cool xD
[11:10] <Trevinho> maybe adding an automated script that reboots until it's not broken... you have it already?
[11:11] <Trevinho> Laney: yeah, can be part of the wip branch you pushed too, although probably systemd infos aren't too reliable so we need to play  a bit with timings.
[11:14] <Trevinho> I've also something calling gdm on udev changes (not really needed to add the dep here), but unfortunately at systemd level having one single signal (or tagged device) for both fb's and cardìs doesn't help at all. Since having a fb doesn't mean we also have the card ready yet
[11:14] <Trevinho> maybe drivers could be better at that adding everything together, but we can't live hoping in a perfect world in this kind of things
[11:15] <Laney> Depends on what the fix is whether it's part of that branch or not
[11:37] <Trevinho> one more thing that gdm should probably do is that, I don't think there's any support for working in vesa fb... And that's how it starts initally and then goes back to proper one. So while systemd advertises it as CanGraphical, isn't really graphical.
[11:37] <Trevinho> not sure if for systemd would make sense to have `SUBSYSTEM=="graphics", KERNEL=="fb[0-9]*", DRIVER!="vesa-framebuffer", TAG+="seat", TAG+="master-of-seat"`
[11:38] <Trevinho> not that it would change much our issue, but it just avoids to advertize something that is not really the case
[11:41] <Laney> I don't have much idea
[11:41] <Laney> probably better off talking to upstream(s) imho
[11:41] <Laney> better than me anyway
[11:52] <Wimpress> tjaalton: I've seen some Ubuntu users questioning why 18.10 is not shipping the nvidia 396 drivers.
[11:53] <tjaalton> tseliot: ^
[11:53] <Wimpress> Please, can you clarify the rationale. I suspect because 396 is not the long lived release?
[11:53] <tjaalton> I guess that's why
[11:54] <tjaalton> 410 was just released as non-beta
[11:54] <Wimpress> Just want to be clear so I can reply to a few people and nip this in the bud.
[11:54] <tjaalton> and probably will be sru'd
[11:54] <Wimpress> Good info. Thanks.
[11:54] <didrocks> I guess that would be a valuable thread on the hub
[11:55] <Wimpress> didrocks: Good point.
[11:59] <seb128> andyrock, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1798360
[12:05] <willcooke> didrocks, hey!  I've just noticed something which I can tell if it's a theme issue or a gdm issue, wdyt:
[12:06] <willcooke> from gdm, enable screen reader.  Then open the a11y menu again and move the mouse over the options
[12:06] <willcooke> When you hover over the screen reader menu item it will tell you "Screenreader menu item. TICKED" or something like tht
[12:06] <willcooke> only, there is no tick
[12:07] <didrocks> ah, indeed, there is none
[12:07] <didrocks> let's check with default theme
[12:07] <willcooke> good idea
[12:09] <didrocks> willcooke: yep, theming issue, default theme have ticks
[12:09] <didrocks> nicely spotted, mind opening a bug upstream?
[12:09] <willcooke> didrocks, will do, thanks!
[12:09] <willcooke> oh oh oh oh
[12:12] <seb128> didrocks, what's the easiest way to reload gdm with the upstream theme?
[12:12] <didrocks> seb128: it's an alternative on gdm3.css
[12:12] <seb128> thx
[12:12] <didrocks> direct it to /usr/share/gnome-shell/theme/gnome-shell.css
[12:12] <didrocks> (which should be an option)
[12:13] <didrocks> I had to extract it from the gresource just for this :(
[12:13] <seb128> upstream is right, themes running their nice tested code!
[12:13] <seb128> right
[12:13] <didrocks> sure, never had any QA issue/crashers on release and so on ;)
[12:14] <seb128> they never merge any code change, best way to not create bugs!
[12:14] <seb128> :)
[12:14] <didrocks> roh
[12:25] <willcooke> didrocks, logged: https://github.com/ubuntu/yaru/issues/917
[12:26] <gitbot> ubuntu issue 917 in yaru "Ticks in gdm do not show" [Open]
[12:27] <didrocks> willcooke: perfect! let's see if someone from the yaru team picks it, I would otherwise (already looking at another theme issue)
[12:27] <willcooke> thanks didrocks, btw check telegram
[12:28]  * didrocks starts telegram
[12:38] <tseliot> Wimpress, tjaalton: correct, we don't include short lived releases
[13:09] <didrocks> duflu would be happy, just fixed bug #1789356 :)
[15:26] <kenvandine> seb128 willcooke, on a fresh 18.10 install there is no ~/.cache/fontconfig created which of course results in a font cache miss when the snap starts
[15:26] <kenvandine> not sure why we don't have that cache
[15:27] <kenvandine> there is the system cache though
[15:28] <seb128> why would we have an user cache? how would it be different from the system one on first boot?
[15:39] <didrocks> this isn't new btw, there was no ~/.cache/fontconfig in 18.04 new user install as well (which makes sense)
[15:41] <seb128> kenvandine, is the desktop wrapper relying on the user cache to be there?
[15:41] <kenvandine> my 18.04 desktop and my 18.10 laptop both have ~/.cache/fontconfig
[15:41] <kenvandine> no idea what created them
[15:41] <seb128> that was not what I asked though :)
[15:41] <kenvandine> my laptop was a clean install a couple weeks ago
[15:41] <seb128> do you get the slowdown if you delete it?
[15:42] <kenvandine> yes
[15:42] <seb128> k
[15:42] <kenvandine> that's what the fontconfig file we write looks for
[15:42] <kenvandine> it's not looking in /var/ at all
[15:42] <seb128> jbicha, I tried polari in cosmic and I can't get past the network selection screen, I never get an action on the top right
[15:43] <kenvandine> seb128: on my 18.10 laptop, the ~/.cache/fontconfig directory was created on the same day as it was installed
[15:43] <kenvandine> maybe something else triggers creating that
[15:44] <kenvandine> seb128: if i run firefox one time it creates ~/.cache/fontconfig
[15:45] <kenvandine> firefox from the deb, on the default install
[15:45] <Laney> seb128: that is broken for me too btw
[15:46] <jbicha> seb128: you can see a nice error if you run polari from the cmd line when you try that. looks like https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/polari/issues/82
[15:46] <jbicha> (I don't use polari)
[15:47] <Laney> looks like https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/polari/issues/82
[15:47] <Laney> yeh
[15:47] <Laney> that one
[15:52] <seb128> jbicha, right, I mentioned that earlier on #polari, same warning, didn't get a reply
[15:52] <ricotz> oSoMoN, oohh nooo
[15:52] <Laney> maybe none of the polari developers can get on #polari becuase their IRC client is broken :'(
[15:52] <ricotz> oSoMoN, hi, please don't copy the nodejs packages to the security ppa
[15:53] <oSoMoN> ricotz, is there a problem with those?
[15:53] <ricotz> oSoMoN, or did you thought this throught somehow?
[15:54] <ricotz> one should be able to use the security ppa ihmo, but with those packages this is not feasible anymore
[15:54] <ricotz> especially openssl breaks things
[15:55] <oSoMoN> ricotz, no, the security PPA is only meant as a staging platform before publishing to the archive's security pockets
[15:55] <ricotz> if you don't want the mozillateam ppa being a build-dep of the security ppa then a new dedciated one is required
[15:55] <oSoMoN> "Staging PPA for Mozilla and other browser-related security updates. Unless you are testing updates, you should not install packages from this PPA"
[15:55] <ricotz> oSoMoN, tell the users which do that
[15:56] <ricotz> and will get updates which are not maintained regularly
[15:56] <ricotz> also nodejs 0.11.2 has a bunch of CVEs
[15:57] <oSoMoN> chrisccoulson, what do you think? ricotz has a point, we might want to isolate this nodejs update in a dedicated PPA
[15:57] <ricotz> so really an ppa a build-dep is a better option
[15:57] <ricotz> a/as
[15:58] <ricotz> oSoMoN, please disable the publishing to prevent more binaries
[15:59] <ricotz> oSoMoN, *there is a reason for this kind of way with the mozillateam ppas*
[16:09] <chrisccoulson> I've not followed the whole discussion, but anything that's a dependency of firefox needs to be in the security PPA for it to build
[16:09] <chrisccoulson> if it can't go in the security PPA, the dependency needs to be dropped
[16:10] <oSoMoN> chrisccoulson, nodejs 8.11 for trusty pulls in an openssl update
[16:10] <oSoMoN> nodejs is a build dep only, not a runtime dep
[16:10] <oSoMoN> (afaik)
[16:28] <seb128> kenvandine, what creates the cache is not really important though, the question is rather to know why we require an user cache in the desktop wrapper, especially if the system cache is complete
[16:28] <kenvandine> yeah
[16:29] <kenvandine> i tried changing the cachedir to use the system cache and it never even tries to use it
[16:29] <kenvandine> i should probably get DENIALS
[16:29] <kenvandine> but i'm not
[16:31] <seb128> kenvandine, also my test machine new install has .cache/fontconfig with 3 files in it and gnome-calculator still takes 35s to start if I delete ~/snap/gnome-calculator
[16:32] <kenvandine> yeah, i think it's the content of that cache
[16:32] <seb128> you mean?
[16:32] <kenvandine> if i mv that dir out of the way on my laptop it's slow to start
[16:32] <seb128> you mean .cache/fontconfig?
[16:32] <kenvandine> if i create the cache manually, it's slow to start
[16:32] <kenvandine> yes
[16:32] <kenvandine> if i move my original cache back it's fast to start
[16:33] <seb128> ah
[16:33] <seb128> so no cache -> slow
[16:33] <seb128> default cache -> slow
[16:33] <kenvandine> so my cache that was created on oct 4th seems good
[16:33] <seb128> your magical cache -> not slow :p
[16:33] <kenvandine> it's also not slow on my VM i used for iso testing right before holiday
[16:34] <seb128> weird
[16:34] <kenvandine> well, oct 2nd
[16:34] <kenvandine> but it is slow on a clean install today
[16:34] <seb128> well on today's iso install it's slow every time I delete ~/snap/gnome-calculator
[16:34] <kenvandine> yeah, i've reproduced that
[16:34] <seb128> so it gives a sane base state to debug/investigate
[16:36] <kenvandine> i'm not sure how to debug the contents of that cache though
[18:26] <seb128> kenvandine, fontconfig new version has fixes for relocate cache issues, unsure if that impacts us though
[18:26] <kenvandine> seb128: 2.13 right?
[18:26] <seb128> 2.13.1
[18:27] <kenvandine> ah
[18:27] <kenvandine> let me look at that
[18:27] <seb128> kenvandine, https://cgit.freedesktop.org/fontconfig/commit/?id=844d8709
[18:28] <seb128> e.g https://cgit.freedesktop.org/fontconfig/commit/?id=c42402d0b
[18:29] <seb128> https://cgit.freedesktop.org/fontconfig/commit/?id=f098adac
[18:31] <seb128> kenvandine, https://cgit.freedesktop.org/fontconfig/commit/?id=7b48fd3d is about the filename
[18:33] <kenvandine> still a mystery. willcooke  has checksum style file names in ~/.cache/fontconfig and i have uuid style file names in ~/.cache/fontconfig on our freshly installed VMs
[18:34] <kenvandine> my snaps are looking for files with the checksum style and failing
[18:35] <kenvandine> still feels like libfontconfig in the snap doesn't like the cache on the host
[18:35] <willcooke> kenvandine, I might be confusing myself now
[18:35] <willcooke> because suddenly I cant find the ones without the dashes
[18:36] <willcooke> I didnt imagine it
[18:36] <willcooke> but I cant proveit
[18:36] <kenvandine> the snaps have fontconfig 2.12.6-0ubuntu1
[18:36] <kenvandine> willcooke: lol... long day :)
[18:37] <kenvandine> the version built in the backports PPA is from prior to the nano second patch in bionic
[18:37] <kenvandine> maybe i should add that patch to the backports
[18:37] <willcooke> worth a try
[18:55] <popey> kenvandine: https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/9p132i/aur_package_for_snapcraftio_in_gnomesoftware/
[18:55] <popey> :)


[09:51] <mup> Bug #2037524 opened: Failed updating from 3.3 to 3.4/beta <MAAS:In Progress by ack> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2037524>
[20:25] <mup> Bug # changed: 1880016, 1995053, 2003812, 2018310, 2023138


[11:30] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[11:36] <sick_rimmit> lordievader: Hi how are you ?
[11:36] <lordievader> Hey sick_rimmit, I'm doing allright. Slept in until late. How are you?
[11:37] <sick_rimmit> Good, just kicking back today.. It's the weekend..
[11:38] <lordievader> Yeah ;)
[12:44] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:46] <lordievader> sick_rimmit: Having issues with your network connection?
[14:40] <soee> hiho
[14:42] <sgclark> morning
[14:44] <soee> it's getting dark in here :D
[14:49] <sick_rimmit> Hola
[14:49] <BluesKaj> hey sick_rimmit, connection probs ?
[14:50] <BluesKaj> hey sick_rimmit, connection probs ?
[14:51] <sick_rimmit> Well. not that I know of.. I've got a tail on syslog because I seem to keep dropping out aevery 5 minutes
[14:54] <BluesKaj> more like every min here on freenode
[14:55] <ahoneybun> more like every few secs
[14:55] <sick_rimmit> Ah right then I think I have an issue with wpa_supplicant
[14:55] <sick_rimmit> I am getting this in the logs
[14:55] <sick_rimmit> wpa_supplicant[838]: wlp2s0: WPA: Group rekeying completed with a4:b
[14:56] <sick_rimmit> I'm going to drop out of Kubuntu and return in a different OS, see if it stops
[15:01] <lordievader> Hmm, group keys shouldn't be used for data towards the AP.
[15:08] <sick_rimmit> OK... I'm Back using Ubuntu Studio.
[15:08] <sick_rimmit> I think there is an issue in Kubuntu with wpa-supplicant, lets see if the connection is stable now
[15:09] <sick_rimmit> Same machine and everything, just booted to different OS
[15:30] <BluesKaj> which OS ?
[15:38] <ahoneybun> Ubuntu Studio.
[15:39] <sick_rimmit> Ah ha it so quite there, I though I was on the wrong server
[15:40] <ahoneybun> its a saturday lol
[15:40] <sick_rimmit> Getting frustrated with Internet DJ Console, trying to make it work so I could use it for Kubuntu Podcast
[15:40] <sick_rimmit> But it's being very naughty and won't play anything :-(
[15:40] <ahoneybun> mm
[15:41] <BluesKaj> heh, well i was actually asking sick_rimmit, but ahoneybun for how and what do you use studio?  I've often thought about it , but I don't do much recording.
[15:41] <ahoneybun> BluesKaj: sick_rimmit said he booted to Ubuntu Studio.
[15:41] <ahoneybun> I've not used it
[15:41] <sick_rimmit> It's actually very good
[15:41] <BluesKaj> ok , should have scrolled up
[15:42] <sick_rimmit> I use it for Midi and Audio using Rosegarden, and Ardour
[15:42] <sick_rimmit> For Guitar and Vocals, and play over backing tracks
[15:42] <BluesKaj> oh that must be quite a setup
[15:42] <sick_rimmit> But getting Jack setup and working is a PITA
[15:42] <BluesKaj> right, I've heard that
[15:42] <sick_rimmit> Get really confusing very quickly
[15:43] <BluesKaj> we're thinking of recording some tracks, but looks like we're gonna go with reaper on W7
[15:44] <BluesKaj> none of the other guys are linux users
[15:46] <BluesKaj> back in the day we used to record thru an audio centron mixer into HiFi vhs tapes
[15:47] <BluesKaj> I'm old :-)
[18:16] <sick_rimmit> It's no good, I've had to resort to RTFM on IDJC
[18:24] <BluesKaj> IDJC?
[18:28] <sick_rimmit> Internet DJ Console
[18:28] <sick_rimmit> It's a DJ Mixing tool
[18:28] <sick_rimmit> That I can't figure out how to use
[19:01] <lordievader> Isn't that the first step when trying to figure out how something works? Reading the manual?
[19:03] <murthy> how to stop kickoff from not showing my chrome bookmarks
[19:03] <murthy> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346602
[20:22] <ovidiu-florin> I think I've added backports wron
[20:22] <ovidiu-florin> I've tried it 3 times
[20:23] <ovidiu-florin> and either ppas started working differently, or....
[20:23] <ovidiu-florin> there are no new updates in backports for wily
[20:23] <yofel> depends on what you expect to be "new"
[20:24] <ovidiu-florin> anything
[20:24] <ovidiu-florin> I've added backports
[20:24] <ovidiu-florin> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[20:24] <sgclark> plasma is in backports
[20:24] <ovidiu-florin> and ran sudo apt-get update
[20:24] <yofel> current contents: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=wily
[20:25] <ovidiu-florin> and then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:25] <ovidiu-florin> and I have no new updates
[20:25] <sgclark> dunno if I should apps in there yet. ktp is busted.
[20:25] <sgclark> well it is there..
[20:25] <ovidiu-florin> isn't backports disabled durring upgrade?
[20:25] <yofel> release upgrade? yes
[20:26] <yofel> lets do this the foolproof way: what's your version of powerdevil?
[20:26] <ovidiu-florin> yes
[20:27] <murthy> could anyone help be with a bug
[20:27] <ovidiu-florin> muon sais 4:5.4.3
[20:27] <ovidiu-florin> says*
[20:27] <ovidiu-florin> I don't know what 4: means
[20:27] <yofel> epoch, technical stuff
[20:28] <sgclark> that is the latest ovidiu-florin
[20:28] <yofel> but that's as new as you'll get
[20:28] <sgclark> murthy: sorry I have to head out shortly
[20:28] <ovidiu-florin> then I had backports before?
[20:28] <ovidiu-florin> but didn't know it
[20:28] <murthy> sgclark: ok
[20:28] <yofel> possibly, did you use the release upgrade or did you dist-upgrade?
[20:28] <sgclark> must have. there is nothing newer
[20:28] <ovidiu-florin> muon updatec click click finish
[20:29] <murthy> yofel: can you spare a min?
[20:29] <yofel> looking at that bug link
[20:29] <ovidiu-florin> I didn't upgrade to wily via CLI
[20:29] <yofel> hm, I never did the muon thing, and now I wonder what that actually executes :/
[20:31] <ovidiu-florin> I think it runs commands
[20:32] <ovidiu-florin> has any of you experienced terrible KRunner in Wily?
[20:32] <ovidiu-florin> or terrible searchin in Kickoff?
[20:32] <murthy> yofel: does kickoff use baloo to display chrome bookmarks?
[20:32] <yofel> murthy: no idea. I can confirm that the limiting doesn't work in kickoff though
[20:33] <yofel> I thought that was the same code as krunner, but it doesn't seem so
[20:33] <murthy> yofel: ya
[20:33] <murthy> yofel: can you confirm on the bug report so that I can reopen it
[20:34] <murthy> can you give me Kai Uwe Broulik nick
[20:34] <ovidiu-florin> whenever I try to search for something in krunner it lags massively
[20:35] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: can't say I've seen that
[20:35] <ovidiu-florin> also when ever I try co calculate something in it
[20:35] <ovidiu-florin> if lags when showing the numbers I type
[20:37] <yofel> murthy: kbroulik according to identity
[20:37] <murthy> ok
[20:37] <yofel> would be good if you could confirm it with plasma 5.4.3 too
[20:38] <murthy> wait
[20:38] <murthy> I can confirm
[20:38] <murthy> I am on 5.4.3
[20:39] <murthy> and the bookmarks are still showing, I will update the bug report
[20:39] <yofel> I wonder what component that search kcm is
[20:39] <yofel> the defaults button does nothing
[20:41] <yofel> fun, running "kcmshell5 baloofile" crashed krunner...
[20:41] <yofel> mdb_dbi_open()
[20:41] <yofel> balooooooooooooo @³[]²¼²3
[20:43] <yofel> ah, plasmasearch
[20:43] <murthy> opens fine here
[20:44] <yofel> the db crash is a rather common one
[20:44] <yofel> but I think it only oocurs when indexing is disabled
[20:45] <murthy> do you want to update the component?
[20:45] <murthy> right now its kickoff
[20:45] <yofel> leave it at kickoff
[20:45] <murthy> ok
[20:45] <yofel> krunner did filter the search, so it's not the kcm
[20:46] <murthy> I just reopened the bug
[20:46] <murthy> yofel: for me krunner works fine
[20:47] <murthy> krunner does not show bookmarks
[20:47] <murthy> when opted out
[20:47] <yofel> that's what I just said?
[20:47] <murthy> ah sorry
[20:49] <soee_> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=KDE-Frameworks-5.16
[20:55] <murthy> yofel: when will the ffmpegthumbs frameworks package be available?
[20:56] <yofel> erm, can't remember right now. There was some talk about the missing plugins lately
[20:57] <yofel> wasn't there a way to do full text search in kmail?
[20:58] <murthy> yofel: baloo search?
[20:58] <murthy> baloo indexes kmail right?
[20:58] <yofel> I was just too blind to find the search dialog -.-
[20:59] <murthy> I am not sure which plugin was refered too regarding ffmpegthumbs, but I am using it right now from frameworks without any issue
[21:01] <yofel> from git I guess
[21:01] <murthy> ya
[21:01] <yofel> should be in applications 15.12 then I guess
[21:01] <murthy> ok
[21:01] <yofel> can't find the mail
[21:02] <murthy> its ok
[21:02] <yofel> and the "find message" dialog in kmail doesn't seem to work
[21:02] <murthy> I am getting those mail too
[21:02] <yofel> how helpful
[21:02] <murthy> I will search it
[21:02] <murthy> heh
[21:02] <murthy> try the milo search widget
[21:03] <yofel> We are sorry, Plasma closed unepectedly
[21:03] <yofel> and the crash is unretracable
[21:03] <yofel> I quit
[21:04] <murthy> :)
[21:04] <murthy> seems the same db error
[21:04] <yofel> well, it doesn't retrace it at all, and I have like almost all debug packages installed
[21:06] <murthy> that happens to me too, I find some of the debug messages missing. any idea why?
[21:07] <murthy> sorry that happened when with dolphin
[21:07] <murthy> when I was trying to debug ffmpegthumbs


[06:42] <luna_work> any chance to get this: https://github.com/ubuntu/app-center/pull/1452 https://github.com/ubuntu/app-center/issues/1453 merged in before Thursday?
[06:42] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Pull 1452 in ubuntu/app-center "Translations update from Hosted Weblate" [Open]
[06:42] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Issue 1453 in ubuntu/app-center "Swedish translation done for 23.10" [Open]
[07:26] <mapreri> this is weird, but is it maybe expected that http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/releases/20.04.6/release/ contains the 20.04.5 images?
[11:07] <waveform> @pilot in
[15:00] <waveform> @pilot out
[16:12] <juliank> vorlon: For reasons of stupidity, I think we can automatically generate cd-boot-images with a launchpad build recipe whenever git-ubuntu imports new grub2-signed or shim-signed by creating stupid recipes on those git-ubuntu branches and then somehow force merging a branch that makes it a cd-boot-images branch instead?
[16:13] <juliank> Then you just need a bot that binary copies from the PPA to the main archive hourly or so
[16:13] <juliank> That's the evil option because it has no signer
[16:13] <juliank> Probably some customers will go shout at non-compliance of some sorts
[16:14] <juliank> But also given a template branch, the uefi-release script can do the same thing it just needs someone to run it manually and sign the changes
[19:08] <GunnarHj> Hi bdmurray! It looks like Nick is absent ATM. Do you have an opinion on the question I asked him on the latest ubuntu-release-upgrader font MP?
[19:08] <GunnarHj> https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+git/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+merge/453086/comments/1211780
[19:36] <GunnarHj> enr0n: I thought you were absent, but was probably mistaken. ^^
[19:45] <enr0n> GunnarHj: I am off today, so I will have to look at it more tomorrow. If MATE does not have systemd user managers, then yeah I guess we need to use autostart to handle it. But I would only want that to be done in the case of MATE
[19:47] <GunnarHj> enr0n: I may make an attempt at a MATE specific autostart setup then. See you tomorrow.
[19:48] <enr0n> GunnarHj: awesome, thank you
[19:48] <GunnarHj> np
[21:19] <bdmurray> enr0n: dbungert is also looking at u-r-u and the QA team will have a fix for a DistUpgradeNoninteractive issue
[21:26] <enr0n> bdmurray: ack, let's coordinate those fixes into one upload hopefully
[21:40] <bdmurray> enr0n: that's my intent ;-)


[00:01] <vorlon> rbasak: I remember seeing questions about the valgrind-if-available sync in the queue; I didn't see whether doko had answered but I do see that it's still there.  I think he should have synced it straight to -updates and self-accepted (I think an AA can?) because I can't actually see the sync source in the queue but the only possible reason for this is to restore the i386 binaries
[00:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected valgrind-if-available [sync] (jammy-proposed) [3.18.1]
[00:08] <vorlon> rbasak: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jammy/i386/valgrind-if-available
[00:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oem-sutton-akando-meta [source] (jammy-proposed) [22.04~ubuntu1]
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[00:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oem-stella-bergmite-meta [sync] (jammy-proposed) [22.04~ubuntu1]
[00:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oem-stella-chiko-meta [amd64] (jammy-proposed) [22.04~ubuntu1]
[00:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oem-sutton-akando-meta [amd64] (jammy-proposed) [22.04~ubuntu1]
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[00:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oem-sutton-adelia-meta [amd64] (jammy-proposed) [22.04~ubuntu1]
[00:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oem-sutton-caimbrie-meta [amd64] (jammy-proposed) [22.04~ubuntu1]
[00:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oem-sutton-barossa-meta [amd64] (jammy-proposed) [22.04~ubuntu1]
[01:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oem-stella-graveler-meta [sync] (jammy-proposed) [22.04~ubuntu1]
[01:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oem-stella-sensei-meta [sync] (jammy-proposed) [22.04~ubuntu1]
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[02:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oem-stella-bergmite-meta [amd64] (jammy-proposed) [22.04~ubuntu1]
[02:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oem-stella-sensei-meta [amd64] (jammy-proposed) [22.04~ubuntu1]
[02:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oem-stella-graveler-meta [amd64] (jammy-proposed) [22.04~ubuntu1]
[02:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oem-stella-yoshio-meta [sync] (jammy-proposed) [22.04~ubuntu1]
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[03:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oem-stella-purrloin-rpl-meta [sync] (jammy-proposed) [22.04~ubuntu1]
[03:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oem-stella-yoshio-meta [amd64] (jammy-proposed) [22.04~ubuntu1]
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[04:30] <doko> vorlon, rbasak: yes I explained that here. but I'm staying away from accepting new packages for released versions. having it in a PPA for a test rebuild was good enough
[04:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted deal.ii [amd64] (mantic-proposed) [9.5.1-1]
[04:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted deal.ii [ppc64el] (mantic-proposed) [9.5.1-1]
[04:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted deal.ii [arm64] (mantic-proposed) [9.5.1-1]
[04:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted deal.ii [s390x] (mantic-proposed) [9.5.1-1]
[06:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: virtualbox-ext-pack (focal-proposed/multiverse) [6.1.38-1~ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 6.1.46-1~ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (no packageset)
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[06:49] <LocutusOfBorg> tjaalton, ^^ sorry for the delay!
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[06:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: virtualbox-hwe (lunar-proposed/multiverse) [7.0.6-dfsg-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 7.0.10-dfsg-3~ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (kernel-dkms)
[07:30] <LocutusOfBorg> btw packages uploaded also here https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/virtualbox-ppa/+packages
[07:36] <LocutusOfBorg> ['libwebp/1.2.4-0.3', 'icu/72.1-3ubuntu3', 'dbus/1.14.10-1ubuntu1', 'libreoffice/4:7.6.1~rc2-0ubuntu2']
[07:36] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks jbicha ^^ I scheduled exactly the same test, and fortunately it didn't requeue it due to it being duplicate
[08:26] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, pytorch is not in release pocket, can it be autopkgtests hinted? the migration-reference/0 foo is not working?
[08:48] <LocutusOfBorg> * thunderbird                   (for clang-13)
[08:48] <LocutusOfBorg> * thunderbird                   (for libclang-13-dev)
[08:48] <LocutusOfBorg> * thunderbird                   (for llvm-13-dev)
[08:48] <LocutusOfBorg> sigh
[08:50] <LocutusOfBorg> ricotz, ^^ please move to llvm-dev?
[08:50] <LocutusOfBorg> oh well looks really a false positive
[09:55] <ricotz> LocutusOfBorg, it actually uses llvm-15, and llvm-16 caused issues
[10:00] <ricotz> LocutusOfBorg, is there a chance for an llvm-16 SRU for lunar?
[10:00] <ricotz> meaning having 16.0.6 in lunar
[11:15] <LocutusOfBorg> ricotz, you should probably ask tjaalton :) he usually does the job
[11:16] <LocutusOfBorg> he keeps them updated
[11:16] <LocutusOfBorg> and yes it would be nice to have it updated, or even backported to jammy
[11:32] <ricotz> LocutusOfBorg, I see, of course the LTS will probably receive a "backport" for mesa, but lunar is differeent
[11:59] <rbasak> vorlon: thanks
[19:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oem-stella-purrloin-rpl-meta [amd64] (jammy-proposed) [22.04~ubuntu1]


[01:03] <Shazer[2]> How do I install Chrome?
[01:03] <Shazer[2]> I downloaded the .deb?
[01:03] <Shazer[2]> But I'm not sure how to install...
[01:08] <dogmatic69> just open a terminal, 'sudo apt-get install google-chrome'
[01:12] <dogmatic69> might need to add the ppa first ppa:chromium-daily/stable
[01:12] <dogmatic69> or just use software centre
[01:16] <ali1234> what? no
[01:16] <ali1234> you install chrome by going to the chrome website and downloading the deb file for it
[01:16] <ali1234> it sets you up with the correct repositories and everything
[01:16] <ali1234> chromium isn't the same thing as chrome
[01:17] <ali1234> and google-chrome isn't in the default repositories
[01:17] <ali1234> oh, once you downloaded the .deb you just double click it
[01:17] <ali1234> easy.
[06:06] <christel> good morning
[06:20] <MartijnVdS> \o
[07:04] <AlanBell> morning
[07:33] <popey> morning
[07:33] <popey> AlanBell, do you still have one of my usb3 hard disks?
[07:33] <popey> or did I ever get that back?
[07:33] <AlanBell> popey: still have it
[07:34] <popey> yay
[07:34] <popey> need to grab that at some point
[07:34] <AlanBell> well no disk, just enclosure and a USB stick
[07:34] <popey> oh, i thought it had a disk in, my mistake
[07:34] <AlanBell> at home today?
[07:34] <popey> yeah
[07:34] <AlanBell> ok, I am out and about, if time allows I might pop by with it
[07:35] <popey> ooh that would be lovely, come in for tea!
[07:35]  * popey puts some clothes on
[07:35] <popey> :D
[07:36] <diplo> Morning
[07:37] <popey> http://www.ubuntuvibes.com/2012/09/gogcom-to-add-linux-support.html
[07:37] <popey> more for that list directhex ^ :)
[07:42] <popey> http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/linux/beta-late-than-never-3/ :)
[07:46] <AlanBell> its all games games games
[07:49] <diplo> It's all good AlanBell :)
[07:58] <knightwise> mooornin
[07:59] <knightwise> hey maxp
[08:21] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :)
[08:22] <bittin^work> morning
[08:33] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:03] <andylockran> hey all
[09:04] <bittin^work> hi
[09:04] <andylockran> anyone know why file_get_contents($url) on php would have suddenly started failing (debian lenny :s) - need a way to test it
[09:09] <andylockran> grumpy ;(
[09:10] <andylockran> I've got a fairly broken php problem
[09:10] <andylockran> http://dpaste.com/806734/
[09:10] <andylockran> that works on most of my servers
[09:10] <ali1234> why add \n?
[09:10] <andylockran> ali1234: formatting..
[09:11] <andylockran> ali1234: just so it looks prettier
[09:11] <andylockran> but it's broken on a debian lenny server that is running the site where the code is used
[09:11] <ali1234> oh right echo
[09:11] <ali1234>  just woke up. i dunno
[09:11] <andylockran> it has been working up until recently, but very unsure as to why it would have stopped working
[09:12] <andylockran> according to a strace, it does the DNS lookup fine (which was my first concern) and all looks hunkey dorey
[09:12] <ali1234> do you have all the right settings?
[09:12] <andylockran> http://dpaste.com/806735/
[09:12] <andylockran> yeah, allow_url_fopen
[09:13] <andylockran> is set to On in php.ini - and in the phpinfo() for both php.ini for apache and for cli
[09:13] <andylockran> mgdm: you about?
[09:17] <kirrus> andylockran: have you tried wgetting said file, as the webserver user, and making sure that works?
[09:17] <kirrus> sometimes http is firewalled
[09:17] <kirrus> andylockran: also, check the apache error log / php error messages?
[09:18] <andylockran> wget is working
[09:19] <andylockran> and I can't see any errors in the logs
[09:19] <andylockran> I've got E_ALL & ~E_NOTICE on
[09:52] <bittin^work> haha somone is queueing outside the Apple Store here and waiting for iPhone 5 =D
[09:53] <pinky-> bittin^work, where's "here?"
[09:54] <bittin^work> Täby, Stockholm
[09:54] <bittin^work> the only apple store in Sweden
[09:54] <bittin^work> etc
[09:54] <pinky-> ok ty
[09:54] <bittin^work> np
[09:55] <mattt> what's so funny about queueing for an iphone?  :)
[09:56] <popey> life is too short to queue for a phone
[09:56] <bittin^work> mattt, that person has fricking 520km to queue for a phone :p
[09:56] <bittin^work> has gone 520km i mean
[10:00] <mattt> popey: fully agree, doesn't stop thousands from doing it tho
[10:00] <popey> sure, people are idiots
[10:01] <mattt> i don't even like queueing for food
[10:01] <bittin^work> if you go 520km to the only Apple store in the country to queue you dont have much to do :D
[10:01] <mattt> bittin^work: yeah, i work with a guy who supposedly camped out for a phone
[10:01] <mattt> i gave up on understanding people years ago
[10:02] <pinky-> it's all about the Bling
[10:04] <pinky-> I'm an old hippy and refuse to buy anything related
[10:06] <pinky-> I've still got a Sont Ericsson from 10 years a go:)
[10:06] <pinky-> Sony*
[10:06] <bittin^work> i got an ZTE Skate, cheap android phone is not that hip
[10:06] <pinky-> does me just fine
[10:06] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:07] <bittin^work> and iam out of podcasts to listen to :(
[10:07] <bittin^work> heard Ubuntu Uk Podcast S05E16 and Droidnation #40 this morning
[10:07] <pinky-> I'm normally housebound so I don't need maps
[10:07] <mattt> bittin^work: i've not listened, but the food fight ones seem good
[10:08] <mattt> bittin^work: http://foodfightshow.org/index.html
[10:08] <popey> bittin^work, pcpro? tuxradar?
[10:08] <popey> I like those two
[10:09] <pinky-> when's the next ubuntu audio.cast due?
[10:11] <bittin^work> popey, never heard any of those
[10:12] <bittin^work> but my spotify got some music and its lunch now anyways, so think i will be fine
[10:12] <czajkowski> AlanBell: care to start making bets on my trip to ireland next week to see if the airports strike!
[10:16] <xnox> czajkowski: it will not strike, instead the runway will be flooded.
[10:16] <xnox> =)
[10:16] <czajkowski> xnox: nah we can deal with floods no bother, it's ireand we're used to the rain
[10:16] <czajkowski> the striking and snow tends to muck up my travel
[10:17] <xnox> fair enough =)
[10:17] <xnox> I like how in norway they clean the whole runway from 2 feet of snow in less than 9 minutes for a plane to take off.
[10:17] <mattt> xnox: here it takes 2 weeks
[10:17] <mattt> except we're only talking 2 inches
[10:18] <czajkowski> xnox: read this first - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2010/12/21/crazy-few-days/
[10:18] <xnox> mattt: do they melt it with cups of tea?
[10:18] <czajkowski> xnox: then http://www.lczajkowski.com/2010/12/22/taim-sa-bhaile/
[10:20] <czajkowski> xnox: you going to the open stack meet up later on today ?
[10:23] <pinky-> yup my cellphone is 10 years old and I don't have a facebook account, maybe I'm on my own in my own World.. but I like it
[10:25] <pinky-> only thing I do regular is upgrade my pc's
[10:26] <mungojerry> and poo, and use irc?
[10:26] <popey> hah
[10:26] <pinky-> plus lots of coffee
[10:29] <pinky-> I've been using irc for over 20-odd years and my spelling is no better, there's no hope for some of us
[10:31] <xnox> czajkowski: well. I will pop into the office for installer meeting. But I don't think I will be staying for openstack as I have London Volleyball Association Referee meeting to attend at 7pm up north in zone 2.
[10:37] <Laney> zone 2, that's practically the countryside right?!
[10:45] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod morning
[10:45] <gord> i hear you have to bring your passport for zone 2
[10:46] <davmor2> gord: are you back?
[10:48] <gord> nope
[10:48]  * popey tickles gord
[10:48] <popey> drat, I had a question for gord and I can't remember it now
[10:48] <gord> but i walked up a mountain again today so i'm not moving from my hotel room bed for a few hours
[10:49] <davmor2> gord: isn't it like insane o'clock in the night there?
[10:49] <gord> nope, nearly 8
[10:50] <davmor2> gord: oh well that's not so bad
[10:51] <gord> had a pizza with potato on it last night, it was the best pizza ever, gonna make it myself when i get home
[11:04] <mgdm> andylockran: pong?
[11:17] <diplo> Afternoon guys, I remember someone in here saying they have set up an internal messenger service probably on xmpp ?
[11:18] <mgdm> In the past I have used Openfire and ejabberd to do that
[11:18] <mgdm> both work OPenfire is quite big and heavy and Java-y though
[11:18] <mgdm> ejabberd's config is a little quirky, too
[11:18] <diplo> Just looking at Openfire actually, so at least that's a good start
[11:18] <mgdm> so it's swings and roundabouts :)
[11:18] <MattJ> XMPP \o/
[11:18] <mgdm> hehe
[11:19] <mgdm> not seen that in a while, MattJ :)
[11:19] <bittin^work> XMPP o/
[11:19] <diplo> On a secondary point my boss has just raised, integrating on into our php erp application
[11:19] <diplo> Use same backgrounds I guess
[11:20] <mgdm> Openfire is good at tying into other stuff, though you might need a plugin for both apps to do it
[11:20] <diplo> https://blueimp.net/ajax/
[11:20] <diplo> OK, that's doable.. will delve deeper thanks
[11:20] <MattJ> Only thing I would be wary of with Openfire is their security flaw history
[11:20] <mgdm> the advantage of XMPP stuff is you can use loads of clients to access it
[11:21] <diplo> All internal stuff anyhoo, but will also look into that
[11:21] <MattJ> Keep it firewalled as much as you can if you go with it, especially the admin web interface it has
[11:21] <bittin^work> i only used ejabberd but was a while ago i was playing with that stuff
[11:22] <mgdm> that's good advice for any network service
[11:23] <MattJ> mgdm, plenty of network services are run public-facing on the internet, I would never personally allow Openfire that privilege
[11:23] <MattJ> A while back they had a bug that allowed any user to change any other user's password (including the admin's)
[11:23] <mgdm> well, obviously
[11:24] <bittin^work> mgdm, yea i like that with xmpp and aim
[11:24] <bittin^work> that you can be logged in at alot of computers
[11:24] <mgdm> but my point was that if you're running *any* service, regardless of what it is or its security history, that doesn't need to be public then don't make it
[11:24] <MattJ> Sure
[11:24] <bittin^work> but all my friends only uses facebook chat or skype nowdays or irc :p
[11:24] <bittin^work> im kinda died :o
[11:26] <MattJ> How anyone uses Skype I don't know
[11:34] <pinky-> I used to have a 4 digit icq number before until it was hacked by someone from Turkey
[11:35] <mungojerry> pinky-, i'll give you a 1-digit number on another service nobody else uses either :P
[11:36] <mungojerry> you have have number 2 on blobby messaging service
[11:36] <pinky-> haha
[11:39] <bittin^work> hahahahhaa: https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/388780_411092718945985_1467634616_n.jpg
[11:40] <dogmatic69> lol
[12:13] <pinky-> imo Skype is used a lot because of webcam conference and group chat, I suppose the same reason why Video Conference sites like BlogTV are popular nowadays, seems people like function
[12:14] <brobostigon> and google+'s hangouts.
[12:14] <popey> 11317622
[12:15] <popey> <3 ICQ
[12:17] <bittin^work> popey, added u on icq :D
[12:17] <livingdaylight> I heard there were power regression issues with kernel 3.5 vs 3.4?
[12:17] <pinky-> in the old days it was possible to collect all "warez" and not miss anything, so I tended to try ALL new software.. there is so much nowadays that's not possible.. plus I've had a couple of bad experiences and prefer my privicy now so I've stopped joining every new service.. I don't even have a google+ account
[12:18] <livingdaylight> Would you say unity is optimized for the laptop? What DE or distro would you recommend for laptop?
[12:33] <pinky-> I hit my head in the 90's and been in that era ever since:)
[12:34] <pinky-> there's no help for me
[12:35]  * mattt hands pinky- a 2400 bps modem
[12:35] <bigcalm> Good afternoon peeps :)
[12:35]  * pinky- dials Demon
[12:35] <pinky-> good afternoon bigcalm
[12:35] <bigcalm> Are we having a nostalgia kick?
[12:36] <pinky-> yeah lol
[12:36] <bittin^work> telnet antidote.hopto.org with http://www.paradroid.net/cgterm/ for the modern C= 64 BBS experience
[12:36] <pinky-> always!
[12:36]  * bigcalm pauses with some dust force
[12:40] <livingdaylight> haro?
[12:40] <livingdaylight> is this ubuntu-uk channel?
[12:40] <mattt> no
[12:40] <mattt> #ubuntu-eu
[12:40] <bittin^work> it might be
[12:41] <livingdaylight> #ubuntu-nwo ?
[12:48] <bigcalm> That was fun
[12:48] <bigcalm> Now back to making more crud
[12:55] <davmor2> bigcalm: ah come on your code isn't that bad :P
[12:55]  * popey wonders why Laney felt the need to send me a Boyzone track via Spotify
[12:56] <bittin^work> Boyzone i forgot about them lol =<
[12:56] <xnox> there is a box of 11.10 CDs.... using one as a coaster =)
[12:58] <davmor2> popey: he thought you needed camping up and romancing before he asked you to sing YMCA I can only assume he doesn't know it just takes alcohol and a karaoke machine
[13:24] <davmor2> AlanBell: minisipserver just got published
[13:27]  * popey wonders when/if AlanBell is coming over for tea
[13:45] <diplo> Wasn't that happening a few hours ago :p
[14:07] <bigcalm> davmor2: know what the status is of Vessel being published in the USC?
[14:09] <popey> can't see that word without thinking of Star Trek.. "Wessel"
[14:09] <bigcalm> davmor2: ah, the devs are dragging their heals http://support.humblebundle.com/customer/portal/articles/744388-vessel-for-mac-and-linux-alpha
[14:09] <bigcalm> popey: heh
[14:10] <bigcalm> Might give in and play it via steam on gameos
[14:10] <bigcalm> (at some point)
[14:20] <bigcalm> popey: where are your unclear wessels?
[14:29] <mungojerry> diplo, i might have to stop using cinnamon :(
[14:34] <diplo> I already have
[14:35] <diplo> Was having way to many issues, my only issue with unity is the dash speed and just wish it acted more like do
[14:35] <mgdm> popey: we got a telly in here yesterday with voice control, which resulted in a bit of a 'hello computer?' scene for a while
[14:36] <popey> :)
[14:44] <bigcalm> Back to the CRUD
[14:47] <mungojerry> diplo, main issue is lockups during i/o and runing out of memory, causing bad performance. works great on my laptop thought, but my desktop PC is usually up for weeks at a time and running 50 chrome tabs etc
[14:47] <mungojerry> gnome2 never complained
[14:47] <mungojerry> unity, gnome3 weren't great either, but haven't used unity since january/feb
[14:48] <diplo> I think i/o was my issue, also with lock ups]
[14:53] <mungojerry> :(
[14:53] <mungojerry> didn't report bug since i didn't know how to troubleshoot it
[15:08] <bigcalm> mgdm: what's your preferred method of deployment for PHP projects?
[15:09] <mgdm> bigcalm: we have our own mechanism that we're just about to move to Capistrano
[15:10] <bigcalm> mgdm: ta. Boss is mumbling something about a new deployment method and Capistrano was also mentioned
[15:11] <bigcalm> Not a fan of working with Ruby/Rails, but oh well
[15:11] <mgdm> Capistrano is not Rails :)
[15:12] <mgdm> and ruby's not that bad
[15:15] <popey> damned with faint praise
[15:15] <bigcalm> :D
[15:15] <bigcalm> popey: we get that with PHP _all the time_
[15:18] <mgdm> bear in mind I'm from Scotland, where 'not bad' is approximately equal to 'pretty good'
[15:22] <christel> RAWR
[15:22] <christel> what an amazing day
[15:25]  * bigcalm tickles christel
[15:26] <christel> hihi
[15:28] <christel> been filming at black hangar all day
[15:28] <christel> amazing
[15:31] <mattt> who's going to openstack meetup tonight?
[15:31] <mattt> think i see a few of you reg'd
[15:31] <popey> mgdm, haha, when I used to teach courses for SAP, we had a score card which had loads of questions about the course, you could score it   ---  --  -  0  +  ++  +++, which amounts to 1 through 7.. scotts people _always_ put 0 down the middle
[15:32] <popey> which amounts to 4 out of 7, which is _awful_, target was 6.3/7
[15:37] <mgdm> hehehe
[15:47] <bigcalm> Can one eat too much Rennie?
[15:49] <mgdm> if you start foaming at the mouth, that's too much
[15:49] <bigcalm> Or a sign of rabies
[15:49] <christel> probably
[15:51] <daubers> bigcalm: If you eat 2 metric tonnes of it, I suspect that might be too much
[15:51] <bigcalm> Imperial tons are okay though I guess
[15:55] <daubers> bigcalm: Like the dollar, they're not worth much these days...
[15:56] <davmor2> bigcalm: still waiting for the app
[15:57] <bigcalm> davmor2: looks like humble indie bundle are as well
[15:57] <davmor2> bigcalm: yeah there were some bug that we and the bundle guys discovered on different platforms so we are all waiting for it
[15:59] <bigcalm> I see
[16:08] <mattt> i've used fabric for some deployment-related tasks
[16:09] <mattt> may be worth looking at in conjunction w/ capistrano
[16:09] <bigcalm> Rochard does look like fun. Might install it later
[16:10] <davmor2> bigcalm: torchlight is nice shame about the fullscreen not working correctly but other than that it's great
[16:10] <bigcalm> davmor2: I'm not good at controlling lots of things at once
[16:17] <daftykins> ah back in the UK after 2 months of travels away
[16:17] <popey> wb
[16:17] <daftykins> ta ^_^
[16:18] <bigcalm> daftykins: what drew you back to this dump?
[16:19] <daftykins> just the rock i have to hop on before getting back to Guernsey really ;)
[16:19] <daftykins> went to a wedding of a friends over in Australia, then road-tripped the US from west coast to east coast
[16:19] <daftykins> flying back from New York via Iceland on Tuesday
[16:19] <MartijnVdS> cool
[16:19] <bigcalm> Goodness
[16:19] <MartijnVdS> had/having a good time? :)
[16:20] <daftykins> yeah not bad thanks :) hot weather nearly killed me though XD
[16:20] <daftykins> a while back now, we drove through Death Valley national park - 47 deg C in the shade
[16:20] <MartijnVdS> ouch
[16:21] <MartijnVdS> Set aircon to "north pole"
[16:21] <daftykins> if only - unfortunately i got to use it rarely as my two friends enjoyed the warmth quite unreasonably
[16:21] <daftykins> but ah well, all done now :)
[16:53] <bigcalm> How the flipityflop did it get to be nearly 6pm?
[16:55] <Laney> time passed at one second per second
[16:55] <davmor2> bigcalm: did you blink
[16:56] <bigcalm> davmor2: this is possible. Sometimes my blinks can take hours to complete
[16:56] <davmor2> bigcalm: and is there a 6foot stone angel somewhere nearby
[16:56] <bigcalm> davmor2: that would send me back in time
[16:56] <bigcalm> Or just kill me
[16:57] <davmor2> bigcalm: ah no it just transfers you in time that particular one sent them back :P
[17:01] <davmor2> I keep hearing and seeing adverts for "killing them softly" (film) and thinking with his song (Fugee stylee)
[17:11] <daftykins> tellin' mah whole life, with his words...
[17:11] <davmor2> daftykins: 1 time.......
[17:11] <daftykins> ;]
[17:12] <daftykins> can't believe Red Dwarf is coming back
[18:52] <AlanBell> http://www.flossuk.org/Events/Unconference2012?action=show&redirect=unconf2012 people might want to ponder this (day after Ubuntu release)
[18:54] <AlanBell> err, no. 18th is the release
[19:17] <christel> 11
[19:23] <Azelphur> Elonex webbook with Ubuntu 12.04, display corruption, any ideas?
[19:23] <AlanBell> oh my
[19:23] <penguin42> Azelphur: define corruption
[19:23]  * AlanBell knows about corruption on the webbook
[19:25] <Azelphur> penguin42: https://www.dropbox.com/s/vrm9kjtpcpzymxb/2012-09-27%2020.24.03.jpg?m
[19:25] <Azelphur> AlanBell: know how to fix it?
[19:26] <AlanBell> install hardy :)
[19:26] <AlanBell> just looking for the project with the open drivers for it
[19:27] <AlanBell> Azelphur: what is it running at the moment?
[19:27] <Azelphur> AlanBell: broken ubuntu install apparently
[19:27] <Azelphur> so trying to fresh install
[19:27] <penguin42> oh, not a subtle problem then
[19:28] <AlanBell> it has a via C7 graphics card which is rubbish, and has rubbish open drivers
[19:28] <AlanBell> VIA did briefly let some binary drivers out that let the 3d stuff work which was good for a few weeks until a new kernel broke them and they never reappeared
[19:29] <AlanBell> http://www.openchrome.org/
[19:29] <Azelphur> this sounds easy \o/
[19:30] <AlanBell> if you plug in an external monitor from bootup you might be able to get some stuff working, enough to get the openchrome drivers installed
[19:30] <AlanBell> I think we used a fixed xorg.conf to give hints about the display size as the edid lies
[19:31] <AlanBell> it might be that with just an xorg.conf specifying the resolution as 1024x600 then the corruption will go away
[19:33] <AlanBell> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1148184
[19:33] <AlanBell> sample xorg.conf there, the important bit is Option "PanelSize" "1024x600"
[19:34] <Azelphur> cool, trying it
[19:50] <Azelphur> AlanBell: I think I need a default xorg.conf to get this to work
[19:50] <Azelphur> not sure how to make a default one though
[19:51] <AlanBell> how do you mean?
[19:51] <AlanBell> by default there isn't one
[19:51] <AlanBell> you just create a text file in /etc/xorg.conf with the right stuff in it
[19:51] <Azelphur> yea
[19:51] <Azelphur> but I don't know what the right stuff is
[19:51] <AlanBell> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1148184 comment 4
[19:51] <Azelphur> on that thread he says he added that stuff to his xorg.conf, insinuating that there is more
[19:51] <AlanBell> paste that in
[19:52] <Azelphur> is that the whole file?
[19:52] <AlanBell> no, that is sufficient
[19:52] <AlanBell> err, looks like it needs Section before "Device"
[19:52] <Azelphur> and identifier is spelt wrong
[19:52]  * hamitron still hates the lack of xorgconfig
[19:52] <Azelphur> I'm pretty sure I fixed those things :p
[19:54] <hamitron> http://www.x.org/wiki/ConfigurationHelp
[19:55] <Azelphur> oO, skeleton configuration files
[19:55] <hamitron> do what AB said first ofc
[19:55] <hamitron> ;)
[19:55] <hamitron> he is more clever than I
[19:56] <Azelphur> I did, it's not working :(
[19:56] <hamitron> :/
[19:56] <AlanBell> trying to find the original stuff I wrote about it
[19:56] <Azelphur> I'm trying this on a livecd though, I created the xorg.conf and restarted lightdm
[19:56] <Azelphur> cool :D
[19:56] <AlanBell> got rid of that domain some time ago, but the data should exist somewhere
[19:59] <hamitron> took me over a year to get X working on my first install of linux
[20:03] <AlanBell> http://rblondon.blogspot.co.uk/2010/01/elonex-webbook-screen-issue.html that one looks correct
[20:03] <AlanBell> think I might have deleted all the webbookblog.com content
[20:04] <AlanBell> ForcePanel might be important too
[20:05] <Azelphur> cool, ty :D
[20:16] <Azelphur> AlanBell: woo it works! \o/
[20:16]  * Azelphur gives AlanBell 5 internets.
[20:17] <AlanBell> yay
[20:17] <AlanBell> so what is that running now? Quantal?
[20:18] <AlanBell> actually you probably want to stop at precise with that one as there won't be 3d and it won't have the horsepower for decent llvmpipe performance
[20:18] <ali1234> or just don't install unity or gnome-shell
[20:19] <ali1234> and marvel at how fast everything runs
[20:19] <Azelphur> AlanBell: 12.04
[20:19] <Azelphur> yea, I'm tempted to say this might be a candidate for lubuntu
[20:21] <Azelphur> yea, I'll drop lubuntu on it
[20:23] <AlanBell> go for it
[20:23] <AlanBell> good point ali1234
[20:23] <penguin42> Azelphur: Or try adding MATE (i.e. Gnome2)
[20:24] <Azelphur> I imagine lxde is faster than gnome2
[20:24] <ali1234> not really
[20:24]  * Azelphur shrugs
[20:24] <Azelphur> I have Lubuntu iso downloaded anyway so it's nice and easy
[20:25] <AlanBell> you are not going to achieve "fast"
[20:25] <Azelphur> hehe indeed
[20:25] <penguin42> what's it's storage?
[20:25] <AlanBell> but there are a number of things that are perfectly usable for modest requirements
[20:25] <AlanBell> 80GB hdd
[20:25] <AlanBell> do you have 1GB on it?
[20:26] <penguin42> sata or pata?
[20:26] <AlanBell> the upgrade from 512 to 1GB is worth doing
[20:26] <AlanBell> data
[20:26] <AlanBell> sata even
[20:26] <penguin42> might be a worth a low end ssd, might make it usable
[20:26] <Azelphur> hehe, it's not my netbook
[20:27] <Azelphur> so someone else has to put up with the painful slowness ;)
[20:27] <AlanBell> I wouldn't bother with buying stuff for it, but a rummage around the bits box might produce a ram stick
[20:28] <AlanBell> it can only be upgraded to 1GB
[20:28] <ali1234> also MATE is completely redundant
[20:28] <AlanBell> even if you stick a 2GB stick in you will only get 1GB recognised
[20:28] <ali1234> gnome-panel still runs on gtk3
[20:31] <Azelphur> yea, I'm just getting it up and running, I don't have any spare sticks for it :p
[20:31] <Azelphur> it'll be slow, but better than nothing
[20:31] <ali1234> i wonder who is maintaining that actually
[20:35] <jacobw> evening
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> \o jacobw
[20:35] <jacobw> hey, how's it going?
[20:36] <AlanBell> why can't we have party political broadcasts like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK7QfCEEiBs&feature=player_embedded
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> because you live in a sane country
[20:37] <AlanBell> there is that
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> And you already have panel game shows :)
[20:41] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps :)
[20:41] <jacobw> GE bigcalm
[20:42] <popey> pip pip
[20:42] <MartijnVdS> popey: trying CP/M again?
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peripheral_Interchange_Program
[20:47] <penguin42> hehe
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> alias pip=cp
[20:48] <penguin42> wasn't it also similar to dd ?
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> well cp is quite similar to dd ;)
[20:59] <AlanBell> on my phone I have google plus messenger or something, where is that in the web UI?
[21:01] <bigcalm> AlanBell: do you have the web UI open?
[21:01] <AlanBell> yes
[21:01] <bigcalm> Message sent
[21:02] <AlanBell> my phone pings
[21:02] <AlanBell> no activity in the browser
[21:02] <bigcalm> But nothing accessible via the web? Poop
[21:02] <bigcalm> Maybe it's a phone only thing
[21:03] <AlanBell> very odd
[21:15] <daubers> AlanBell: just use empathy?
[21:16] <AlanBell> huh?
[21:16] <daubers> empathy does google chat
[21:16] <daubers> (which G+ messenger essentially is)
[21:17] <AlanBell> but how come the chat thing on the right of G+ doesn't do anything much when it happens?
[21:17] <daubers> No idea :)
[21:18] <daubers> becuase it smells?
[21:18] <AlanBell> that just shows online people too, not sure it relates to messenger
[21:24] <ali1234> because gtalk actually supports multiple instances properly
[21:24] <ali1234> if you are using g+ when someone chats to you, it will do something
[21:24] <ali1234> or if you start talking back to the person through the website etc
[21:24] <ali1234> it doesn't make every device you have go crazy when you are having a conversation
[21:24] <AlanBell> so the problem is that my phone is online too much?
[21:24] <ali1234> possibly
[21:25] <AlanBell> I can't transfer a conversation from one device to another I think
[21:25] <ali1234> it's related to your status
[21:25] <ali1234> if you are marked "away" then it won't ping that device
[21:25] <ali1234> i think that's how it works
[21:26] <ali1234> also if you ignore thephone and start using g+ then it will send the messages out after a couple of minutes
[21:26] <AlanBell> hmm
[21:26] <AlanBell> I kind of find old messages on the phone occasionally because I am not looking for them there
[21:27] <AlanBell> not really wanting to use that service at all really
[21:28] <ali1234> it's possibly also related to why you always pingpong online/offline 100 times and fill my indicator queue :)
[21:28] <AlanBell> oh, someone else told me that
[21:28] <ali1234> i've told you before :)
[21:28] <AlanBell> ok, so how do I stop doing that?
[21:28] <ali1234> no idea
[21:28] <AlanBell> and why am I special?
[21:28] <ali1234> someone else does it too
[21:28] <ali1234> but i can't remember who it was
[21:28] <AlanBell> I just have the android G+ app
[21:29] <AlanBell> I have never intended to do anything with the messenger thing at all
[21:29] <ali1234> g+ uses the same chat as gmail
[21:29] <ali1234> which is also a stand alone app on android
[21:29] <AlanBell> I don't even know how to go offline on the mobile client, can't see any kind of status setting thing
[21:31] <AlanBell> what indicator queue do I fill up?
[21:31] <ali1234> you know, notify osd?
[21:31] <AlanBell> oh, from empathy notifications?
[21:31] <ali1234> from pidgin notifications
[21:31] <ali1234> i don't use empathy
[21:31] <AlanBell> ok
[21:31] <ali1234> but yeah... every time someone goes away
[21:31] <popey> i use the web io
[21:31] <popey> er
[21:31] <popey> ui
[21:32] <ali1234> it shows a message for 5 seconds
[21:32] <AlanBell> what web UI?
[21:32] <popey> in gmail and G+
[21:32] <popey> i have both in separate tabs
[21:32] <popey> so when someone pings me it generally pings both
[21:32] <ali1234> 100 * 5 = nearly 10 minutes worth of notifications, because it's a queue and they all have same priority
[21:32] <popey> i can choose to answer in either and it keeps both in sync which is neat
[21:32] <ali1234> that also blocks all other same priority notifications, essentially a denial of service attack :)
[21:33] <AlanBell> but those look like a different list of people to what I have in the mobile client
[21:33] <ali1234> the list is a little bit weird but it is the same protocol
[21:33] <popey> yes, its an option in G+
[23:50] <penguin42> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/27/adobe_cert_revoked/  oops