[12:12] <morvok> RadiantFire: brb, reboot.. I loaded a new module last time. maybe it is causing the issue.
[12:13] <gamer_> !adept locked
[12:13] <ubotu> adept: package management suite for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2.1.1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 11 kB, installed size 40 kB
[12:14] <gamer_> !unlock repository
[12:14] <gamer_> does anyone know how to unlock the adept repository so im not stuck in read only mode
[12:14] <mrbrdo> can you configure kdetv to use composite instead of tuner method?
[12:15] <cosmo_> how do I tell what version of the nvidia driver I am using?
[12:18] <morvok> RadiantFire: no affect. any ideas?
[12:19] <philipp__> hello, good evening, i have a problem. when i press strg alt f1 (-f6) the X (xgl with fglrx) hangs up, the output freeze (a lot of vertical lines). i cannot go back with strg alt f7
[12:19] <gamer_> !apt locked
[12:19] <ubotu> apt: Advanced front-end for dpkg. In component main, is important. Version 0.6.45ubuntu14 (edgy), package size 1398 kB, installed size 4324 kB
[12:20] <gamer_> !locked
[12:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about locked - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:22] <gamer_> !repository
[12:22] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[12:23] <gamer_> !kill process
[12:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kill process - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:23] <gamer_> !kill
[12:23] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[12:23] <intelikey> where is that info page on why freenode doesn't allow tor connetions ?
[12:23] <beta> could someone do me a favour and try to put <IP_ADDRESS> as port in firefox then close the prefernce dialoge and bring it up again?
[12:23] <gamer_> !process
[12:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about process - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:24] <beta> and see if localhost is still set
[12:24] <intelikey> fond it.
[12:24] <gamer_> !process
[12:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about process - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:29] <niklaus> ...
[12:29] <gamer_> !unlock repository
[12:30] <Lynoure> gamer_: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment. (You are welcome, and this was hopefully my last bit of support for at least a week)
[12:31] <acme> hi all
[12:32] <beta> hi
[12:32] <acme> does anybody know how to get rid of the login screen after suspend?
[12:34] <gamer_> thank you Lynoure
[12:34] <gdiebel> acme: no way to do that
[12:34] <acme> gdiebel: really? that
[12:34] <acme> a pitty
[12:35] <acme> gdiebel: I found in /etc/default/apci-suppoort "LOCK_SCREEN=true", but changing it, didn
[12:35] <acme> didnt help
[12:35] <gamer_> !aptitude
[12:35] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[12:38] <gamer_> anyone know how to unlock the packaging system database
[12:38] <gamer_> ive tried killing processes but that doesnt work
[12:38] <acme> gdiebel: I'm trying to set up a media pc, and come pretty far, but this login screen on resume from S3 is very ugly
[12:42] <acme> all: OK, thanks for your support anyway. I'll keep on trying, maybe its possible somehow.
[12:44] <gdiebel> acme: the kde screen lock does not respect the setting in acpi-support
[12:46] <fdsfsf> http://taleworld.sytes.net Join Please
[12:47] <acme> gdiebel: :-) yes, thats exacley my experience too ;-)  your answer: "No way" sounds very bad. I really hope, theres a way to fool the system to get rid of this screen
[12:47] <nagyv> Which is the best way to help out feisty without touching your actual os?
[12:48] <crimsun_> use a vm image of feisty? use a feisty desktop cd?
[12:49] <morvok> hrm.. I managed to fix mplayer but I don't understand why it and kaffeine broke.
[12:49] <nagyv> crimsun_: the desktop CD is not fully functional, so where could I find a howto for the vm? (what should I google for?)
[12:50] <morvok> radiantFire: I found how you remove those annoying messages that you said you get on it some times too :)
[12:50] <crimsun_> nagyv: how do you mean it's not fully functional?
[12:51] <nagyv> crimsun: given it's just a live CD,it has some limitations
[12:51] <acme> nagyv: Im running feisty, it seems to be functional :-)
[12:51] <Pupeno--> does anybody know the name of channel about "professional" sound on linux?
[12:52] <khirr> !rar
[12:52] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[12:54] <nagyv> acme: arrgh, I did not said that it is wrong, but it is a beta, and I would like to try it out, check the bugs I have submitted, etc, but I do not want to risk my actual stable setup
[12:56] <acme> nagyv: to be honest, Im not the type of guy whos using a vmware-instance, I plug a hd into my system and do a install from scratch, there, so my system isnt compromised at all
[12:58] <acme> OK, thanks for your support, I have to sleep now, its late here in germany! bye
[01:00] <beta> can i attch a terminal to konq somehow
[01:00] <beta> attach
[01:00] <beta> im just reading it in a tut but its wrong
[01:01] <beta> Windows --> show terminal emulator
[01:01] <beta> no window entry in the menu bar so obviously wrong
[01:02] <beta> it would be great to have an attched terminal in the file browser though...my desktop is a mess...windows flying around everyhwere
[01:05] <Linux_Galore> beta: ?? there is a terminal option in the browser
[01:06] <beta> Linux_Galore: where then? or were you asking as well?
[01:06] <Linux_Galore> beta: press alt T
[01:07] <martiny> como configurar una tarjeta de sonido audigy 7.1
[01:07] <beta> Linux_Galore: doenst do it
[01:07] <Linux_Galore> beta: settings -> configure shortcuts   type  term in the searcc box
[01:07] <Linux_Galore> search*
[01:08] <martiny> exuseme, some body can tell me about configure a sound card audigy 7.1 ?
[01:08] <Linux_Galore> beta: click on terminal emulator
[01:09] <Linux_Galore> beta: set it to custom and I try alt T as the settings
[01:09] <beta> Linux_Galore: ah it was on F8 here....searching didnt work thoug
[01:09] <beta> thx, this is great
[01:10] <beta> this will be a good starting point to clean up my messy desktop
[01:10] <beta> i really need to develop some kind of....workflow or whatever you may call it ;)
[01:10] <Pupeno__> Does anybody know what's the name of that channel dedicated to audio on Linux?
[01:10] <Linux_Galore> beta: another trick to save you having multiple windows is to split the one you have, make it easy to do drag and drop
[01:11] <Linux_Galore> beta: right click on the bottom of the file browser window and select split left right
[01:11] <beta> Linux_Galore: already got that :)
[01:12] <beta> why is it called a terminal emulator though...whats the difference to a real terminal?
[01:12] <Pupeno__> beta: a real tearminal is a piece of hardware with a monitor and a keyboard.
[01:12] <Linux_Galore> beta: you have to search within the configure shortcuts menu
[01:13] <Linux_Galore> s/menu/window
[01:13] <beta> doesnt show a thing...didnt even show anthing when i put "Alt" in
[01:14] <beta> something isnt working there...but not an issue for now
[01:14] <johey> When running java from the term, it starts GNU java (gij) or something. I want it to start Sun java. How to I do that?
[01:14] <Linux_Galore> beta: I often forget the keyboard shortcuts for konqueror so I use Settings-> Configure shortcuts   then just type a few letters in the search box  ie  "term"
[01:15] <Linux_Galore> johey: you missed a step in the howto
[01:15] <johey> Linux_Galore: What howto?
[01:15] <beta> Linux_Galore: so why is it called a terminal emulator?
[01:15] <Linux_Galore> !java
[01:15] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[01:15] <Pupeno__> Any recommende audio player that can play through Jack (other than XMMS and alsaplayer)?
[01:15] <Linux_Galore> beta: because its not a true terminal
[01:16] <vursitis> im so sorry to whomever has to install java
[01:16] <johey> Thanks!
[01:16] <vursitis> lol
[01:16] <crimsun_> Pupeno__: there's an alsa-lib jack plugin.
[01:16] <vursitis> i don't remember exactly how to do it, i only remember it taking somewhere around 3 hours
[01:16] <beta> Linux_Galore: so whats the differnece to the bash terminal i bring up via the mneu....or are both actually called tterminal "emulator"?
[01:16] <Linux_Galore> johey: type sudo update-alternatives --config java  in a terminal
[01:17] <johey> Linux_Galore: sun-java5-jre is already installed.
[01:17] <johey> Linux_Galore: Ok.
[01:17] <Linux_Galore> johey: that command allows you to set the system default version of java
[01:18] <johey> Linux_Galore: Ah. Now we're talking... :) Thanks alot!
[01:18] <Pupeno__> crimsun_: what does that do?
[01:19] <crimsun_> Pupeno__: routes native alsa apps to jack
[01:19] <Pupeno__> crimsun_: interesting.
[01:19] <Linux_Galore> beta: they are both emulators
[01:20] <Linux_Galore> beta: in fact your desktop is running in a termina
[01:20] <Linux_Galore> terminal*
[01:21] <beta> Linux_Galore: ok thx:)
[01:21] <Linux_Galore> beta: even more fun you can have up to 16 desktop running all at the same time, I think ubuntu has 8 tty sessions you can use by default,  press ctrl alt F1 to see another terminal  and ctrl alt F7  to get back to your desktop
[01:22] <vursitis> i think you can have up to 20 can't you?
[01:22] <Linux_Galore> beta: you can run gnome and kde both at the same time if you want too and just swap from one to the other
[01:23] <Linux_Galore> beta: run gnome in one session and kde in another
[01:23] <beta> Linux_Galore: did it close that terminal after ctrl + alt + f7 or do i have to close it now somehow?
[01:23] <Moniker42> what's a good msn/jabber client for kde?
[01:23] <Linux_Galore> beta: nope it never closes "they are always there"
[01:24] <Linux_Galore> Moniker42: gaim or kopete
[01:24] <beta> Linux_Galore: er, what do you mean? if i boot linux it automatically starts 20 terminal sessions that are always up and running?
[01:24] <Linux_Galore> Moniker42: gaim does the whole lot, even has yahoo chat and irc
[01:25] <Moniker42> but i don't like gaim ;)
[01:25] <Moniker42> at least, i didn't like it in gnome...
[01:25] <Moniker42> and it has a bunch of FTP problems with msn that annoy me
[01:25] <Linux_Galore> beta: ok when linux boots it loads the kernel then runs some scripts but also it starts a few tty terminal sessions,  in one it runs your desktop
[01:25] <beta> Linux_Galore: allright thx
[01:26] <Linux_Galore> beta:  ie  ctrl alt F1/F2/F3->F8  are all tty terminal sessions that are running
[01:27] <Linux_Galore> beta: F7 is the default for the "first" X session (desktop)
[01:27] <niklaus> Hallo@l.
[01:27] <Linux_Galore> beta: you can have others
[01:27] <beta> as a linux noob i always tried to read up on edit config files and stuff after a fresh install....trying to understand linux. but having kde now for the first time i see what a blatand mistake that was
[01:27] <Yeason> I'm trying to install kubuntu on an older dell laptop, it's a PII, does anyone know what cd module I need to tell it to load?
[01:28] <niklaus> Habe ein kleines Problem, kann mir jemand helfen? (Ich versuchs erst in deutsch)
[01:28] <beta> i mean its obviously such a powerful working environment...its worth getting confident with it as well at the same time
[01:29] <beta> niklaus: there is a german kubuntu channel usually has around 30-60 users
[01:29] <Linux_Galore> beta: well Linux for starters is "trully" multi user so it allows multiple users to use a single machine, and that also includes connecting multiple screens and keyboard to one machine with each user having his/her own desktop
[01:29] <Pupeno__> crimsun_: is alsa-lib jack plugin packaged for Kubuntu?
[01:29] <crimsun_> Pupeno__: of course. libasound2-plugins
[01:30] <crimsun_> (unless you're using feisty)
[01:30] <cpk1> beta: terminals 1-7 are always running and then if you start another X session it will start more, is how I believe it works
[01:30] <Linux_Galore> beta: great in schools because you dont have to have heaps of machines, you can have 4 or more students on one machine
[01:30] <niklaus> Kann mir jemand auf "deutsch" helfen.
[01:30] <Pupeno__> !de
[01:30] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[01:31] <beta> cpk1:  thx
[01:31] <Pupeno__> crimsun_: I am ot, but what's the difference if I am?
[01:31] <Linux_Galore> cpk1: varies I find,  ie many distro set the :1  session on F6
[01:31] <niklaus> Thanks!
[01:31] <crimsun_> Pupeno__: because we don't build it in feisty.
[01:31] <Pupeno__> crimsun_: why?
[01:31] <crimsun_> Pupeno__: because it was promoted to main for pulseaudio, and jack is in universe.
[01:31] <beta> linux_Galore: yes, the windows multiuser support is horrible...actually there isnt really a working one
[01:32] <Linux_Galore> ie   ctrl alt F1  login     xinti  /usr/bin/startkde  -- :1
[01:32] <Yeason> does anyone know what module I need to tell kubuntu to load, the alternate cd isn't detecting it automatically, this is for an old Dell laptop running a PII processor
[01:32] <Linux_Galore> beta: try what I just typed,  get two different desktops
[01:32] <Pupeno__> crimsun_: what is pulseaudio?
[01:33] <Linux_Galore> beta:   typo on the command  xinit /usr/bin/startkde  -- :1   heh
[01:33] <Linux_Galore> beta: kill the second desktop with ctrl alt backspace  and ctrl alt F7 to get back to the default
[01:34] <nagyv> Linux_Galore: isn't this the same then right click over the desktop, and choose new whatever from the Change user submenu?
[01:34] <beta> Linux_Galore: i better dont for the moment...dont want to mess soemthing up i dont need it for now :) but thx anyway
[01:35] <Linux_Galore> beta: it has no effect on the system, you not changing anything
[01:36] <beta> Linux_Galore: i for sure would forget some of the keystrokes or bashinputs then being cuaght up on the bash where im not confident yet hehe
[01:37] <beta> being lost
[01:37] <beta> on the bash suits better i guess
[01:38] <ernie> beta: Use the ole Pen and paper to write these things down with - they you jsut have to remember how to read - and not remember keystrokes :)
[01:38] <Linux_Galore> beta: you can do the same with the start new session   in your menu
[01:39] <Linux_Galore> beta: just this way you actually see how it works
[01:40] <beta> ernie: so true...i wish all the time i had a book in my hands to read stuff up instead of having to drag around multiple pdf documents on the desktop ;)
[01:40] <Linux_Galore> beta: dont fear bash, especially if your not using sudo
[01:41] <beta> Linux_Galore: yes im thankful for the lesson didnt knew there were several terminals running per default - interesting
[01:42] <beta> but for now i allow myself to be blown away by the kde enviroment, reading the handbook at the moment....then later back to the "technical stuff"
[01:42] <Linux_Galore> beta: www.kde-look.org  is a great place to get extra stuff for changing kde
[01:43] <beta> knew = know
[01:44] <beta> Linux_Galore: thx, might go there after completing the handbook...need something "slimmer" i feel
[01:45] <ernie> beta: when you do learn something - no matter how basic - write it down - I'm just realising I should have when I 1st set my system - cause I'm head scratching on my reinstall right now :)
[01:46] <beta> ernie: your right...and i just started with it yesterday!
[01:47] <nagyv> beta: the funny thing is when you write it down on your computer, and then you are thinking how to get to your notes :)
[01:48] <morvok> does Kubuntu not have a linux-tree package?
[01:48] <ernie> beta: Well I'm upto getting my dual monitors working (again) and I think I am doing what I did last time - but I'm hitting hurdles :) Although fun - I shouldn't be relearning stuff I conquered once before
[01:49] <ernie> nagyv: all the notes I did make are on my old HD :)
[01:49] <beta> nagyv: hehe im actually surprised by myself but so far i managed that part without problems....uhm, no wait yesterday i almost erased my notes x)
[01:50] <ernie> beta: Pen and paper rules - just make sure you have no hungry little paper munching beasties around :)
[01:52] <slackman007> hasrat_usa
[01:53] <Hasrat_USA> yo slack what's up
[01:53] <Hasrat_USA> sending ya the file
[01:53] <slackman007> ok
[01:53] <beta> ernie: yes, it seems theres some stuff that causes you the same problems everytime no matter which distro...so i started it makes a lot of sense to write them down i realzied....;) build your own personal manual with core stuff you need to get into your head and reread it
[01:54] <beta> i played around with linux before but i realize its time to get more serious with it
[01:54] <beta> - started
[01:55] <ernie> beta:Same here - although while I'm playing - I'm not getting my work done :( but all work and no play makes ernie a dull boy :)
[01:56] <Hasrat_USA> slack you're getting it?
[02:00] <slackman007> yep, its coming
[02:00] <slackman007> eta is 7 hours now
[02:00] <slackman007> now 46
[02:00] <slackman007> lol
[02:00] <slackman007> now 164
[02:00] <slackman007> DCC RECV BuildingGodsRoughCut.avi to Hasrat_USA stalled - aborting.
[02:03] <thompa> hi, how do i install grub to linux partition, cant remember..?
[02:03] <thompa> im installing on someones intel macbook, and cant use the mbr because of refit issues
[02:09] <thompa> i got the feisty alternative cd so i guess im ok
[02:10] <losguachones> NickServ
[02:10] <losguachones> #nickserv
[02:10] <neo_> hey all
[02:10] <neo_> im new to this kubuntu
[02:11] <neo_> but wow it rocks
[02:11] <NDPowerBook> neo_: Sure does.
[02:11] <neo_> anyone here know how stable the 6.1 is
[02:11] <NDPowerBook> 6.10 you mean?
[02:11] <neo_> oyea
[02:11] <NDPowerBook> I'm running it and its very stable.
[02:11] <neo_> man linux has come a long way from Mandrake 10
[02:12] <neo_> i just cant believe this
[02:12] <neo_> it was pre installed with the newest version of OpenOffice.org
[02:12] <neo_> ive dabbled
[02:13] <neo_> but the older versions i have played with made it so hard to install software
[02:13] <DoctorEternal> the trick is to replace windoze alltogether and see if you can cope
[02:13] <DoctorEternal> I still have to have a windoze partition for 3ds max
[02:13] <neo_> im on a MS Virtual PC
[02:13] <DoctorEternal> hoping they port it
[02:14] <neo_> on with xp as the host
[02:14] <neo_> man it runds just fine here on the Virtual PC though
[02:14] <NDPowerBook> neo_: As soon as you install Kubuntu you should also install EasyUbuntu (an app not a distro) which will easily install all your video codecs that you'll need (such as wmv, quicktime..etc)
[02:15] <neo_> ill check it out
[02:15] <neo_> any one know how i can get the sound to work on a Virtual PC running Kubuntu
[02:15] <neo_> thats the only thing that doen't work
[02:16] <neo_> god this is soooo slick
[02:16] <cpk1> neo_: NO do not use easyubuntu
[02:17] <neo_> its like a cross between windows xp, vista and osx
[02:17] <cpk1> getting media to work is already incredibly simple you dont need to use something that might cause problems later when you dont need to
[02:18] <neo_> i love this they actually got linux to be really GUI functional
[02:18] <NDPowerBook> http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/hd3-complication/vulcania-naval-watch-what-no-cannons-245022.php
[02:18] <C2H5OH> hi
[02:18] <NDPowerBook> cpk1: What are you talking about?
[02:19] <C2H5OH> I'm a bit puzzled, the rsync server from cdimage.ubuntu.com only contains DVD ISO images of stable releases
[02:19] <C2H5OH> where can I find the edgy livecd iso?
[02:19] <C2H5OH> (from rsync)
[02:19] <neo_> Im a network admin and we are looking at a public internet pc kiosk system that uses linux with openoffice
[02:20] <neo_> and quite frankly i did'n't like the idea but if it works this well i might buy it
[02:20] <NDPowerBook> For an internet kiosk that people aren't going to be able to install stuff too Linux is an excellent choice.
[02:20] <NDPowerBook> In fact it may be the best choice.
[02:21] <neo_> this is a system that lets you use one box and emulates up to 10 desktops that whipe completely clean when the user logs off
[02:21] <neo_> but i was so out of the net on how far linux has come since i first played with it
[02:22] <neo_> it seams really stable, and the openoffice is so much like MS Office i no longer have a reason to stay away from it
[02:22] <NDPowerBook> Yeah OO is great.
[02:23] <NDPowerBook> And of course Google Docs is getting better everyday too.
[02:23] <neo_> this whole system is great
[02:23] <neo_> im soooo impressed
[02:23] <neo_> the only thing that had me messed up for a while was the video
[02:24] <NDPowerBook> Wrong resolution?
[02:24] <neo_> when i installed and rebooted my video was very distorted yes
[02:24] <_spaz> hmm...
[02:24] <_spaz> weird...
[02:24] <_spaz> i can't log into my regular user account
[02:25] <_spaz> it says it can't start kstartupconfig
[02:25] <neo_> i found a walk through with screen shots that got me rolling to edit the xconf file and i was runing smooth
[02:25] <_spaz> >_>
[02:25] <C2H5OH> is it normal that I can't find the edgy livecd iso image from cdimage.ubuntu.com from rsync?
[02:25] <_spaz> atm i'm using an alternate account
[02:25] <neo_> sorry spaz im stepping on you
[02:26] <NDPowerBook> Yeah but neo is.... The One.
[02:26] <Bi||aBong> why when i install ubuntu gnome and kde run very slow?
[02:27] <_spaz> so?
[02:27] <neo_> im using kde and it seams just fine on 512 meg and AMD3000+
[02:27] <neo_> im running in a virtual pc
[02:27] <_spaz> hehe
[02:28] <_spaz> my computer's worse, and it runs great
[02:28] <NDPowerBook> neo_: When (K)Ubuntu hits 9.x or 10.x thats when I'll start converting certain "problematic" friends and family members over to Linux.
[02:28] <neo_> im ready to do that now
[02:28] <NDPowerBook> Right now I'd limit it to the elderly as they're the least likely to need/want to install new things.
[02:28] <NDPowerBook> But thats just me.
[02:29] <C2H5OH> Bi||aBong: try xfce, if it's still slow, then you'll have to tweak
[02:29] <neo_> you can convert .doc .xls there is no reason to stay with ms office
[02:29] <neo_> it is sooooo cool
[02:29] <NDPowerBook> Yeah I use Open Office or Neo Office on all my computers. (NeoOffice is a Mac port)
[02:30] <neo_> i need to get some theme packs for kde anyone know any real cool transparent ones
[02:30] <neo_> i wanna geek this thing out
[02:31] <neo_> and man IRC is like geek haven
[02:31] <neo_> im with freinds
[02:32] <neo_> i just had a tear in my eye i can feel the geeky warmth here
[02:32] <cpk1> neo_: superkaramba has some cool stuff
[02:32] <neo_> ill check it thanks man
[02:33] <neo_> can i get opera for linux???
[02:33] <_spaz> yes afaik!!!
[02:33] <_spaz> :p
[02:34] <_spaz> brb
[02:36] <neo_> Is that superkaramba.com???
[02:36] <_spaz> meh, fixed my own problem
[02:36] <Schuenemann> Hi, I'm getting X restarted all the time I use blender... what could I do? I have a (crappy) SiS915
[02:36] <_spaz> i just removed my account and added it again
[02:37] <Schuenemann> I mean everytime
[02:37] <neo_> is that superkaramba .org
[02:38] <neo_> i found it
[02:49] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: sounds like a lack of resources
[02:49] <AaronCampbell> Ok, I'm looking to get a video card that will work well with kubuntu, with 2 monitors, and decent resolution (1680x1050).  I was told to go for an nVidia chipset.  Does the manufacturer matter?  Or the version of OpenGL support?  Or anything else?
[02:49] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore, anything I could do? that happens when I type 'glxinfo' too
[02:49] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: you shouldnt run blender with something as basic as an sis chipset
[02:50] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: no 3D support thats why it crashes
[02:50] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore, it was a simple modelling, that should work...
[02:50] <Schuenemann> blender exists before these 3d boards were invented
[02:50] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: lol, not with an sis chipset
[02:51] <Schuenemann> why not? I had blender in my old p133 :p
[02:51] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: imagine I went and bought a really crappy chipset, 9 out of 10 it would have sis slapped on it
[02:52] <Schuenemann> I believe it's a driver problem
[02:52] <Schuenemann> I don't have that problem in window$
[02:52] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: 3D cards have been around far longer than blender
[02:52] <cpk1> I have an SIS mobo...
[02:52] <Schuenemann> yeah, I but had a really crappy trident 1 MB
[02:52] <Schuenemann> but I*
[02:53] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: to put it simple, the driver sux in Linux
[02:53] <cpk1> and I like it a lot, it has built in digital out and everything
[02:53] <Schuenemann> can't I do anything?
[02:53] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: nope
[02:53] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: might want to try swapping to xfce
[02:54] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: for the desktop
[02:54] <Schuenemann> what if I try a 32MB geforce?
[02:54] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: that will work
[02:54] <Schuenemann> but the SiS is 64 MB =)
[02:54] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: actually its not, it uses system ram
[02:55] <Schuenemann> how can they make something so awful?
[02:55] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: it designed to work with simple 2d apps like office or a web browser
[02:55] <Schuenemann> you think the geforce will have a better overall performance?
[02:57] <NightBird> ?
[02:57] <NightBird> Schuenemann: as in comparison to what?
[02:57] <Hasrat_USA> oh i remember the time when i had a 8 MB S3 (SIS) card in my machine
[02:57] <Schuenemann> can I just switch cards and restart? will it recognize the new card?
[02:57] <Hasrat_USA> and after 5 years i have 256 MB nvidia geforce 7300 LE
[02:57] <Schuenemann> NightBird, to the *sigh* SiS
[02:58] <Hasrat_USA> why isn't XVidCap added to Ubuntu's software repository?
[02:58] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: yes it will swap over
[02:59] <Hasrat_USA> i launched Synaptics package manager and searched for it but failed to find it anywhere
[02:59] <Schuenemann> ok, I'll try that later, thanks
[02:59] <NightBird> er... I don't know if it will switch to the right driver...
[02:59] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: the gf card will use proper high speed video ram
[02:59] <NightBird> it might continue to work...
[03:00] <NightBird> but I would suggest downloading the driver you plan on using(such as the nvidia prop driver), change the x server to use that driver, then shutdown, install the card, and start it back up
[03:00] <Schuenemann> I always found it weird... the geforce has a cooler, the SiS doesn't
[03:00] <NightBird> it would be the easiest..
[03:00] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: disable the on board video in the bios
[03:00] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore, why disable?
[03:00] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: forces the issue
[03:00] <NightBird> Schuenemann, because it's not unheard of having onbaord video to mess with a new graphics card
[03:01] <Schuenemann> I don't have onboard video
[03:01] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: lol so you actually paid for an sis video card
[03:02] <Schuenemann> hehehe
[03:02] <Schuenemann> well, luckily the motherboard isn't like it
[03:02] <beta> is koffice based around openoffice?
[03:03] <Linux_Galore> beta: nope, but both support the ODF file formats
[03:03] <beta> k
[03:03] <bogdan_> hello all
[03:05] <morvok> has anyone compiled rivaTv on edgy?
[03:05] <Linux_Galore> morvok: should just work last I heard
[03:06] <Linux_Galore> morvok: need to install the binary drivers though
[03:06] <beta> everyone seems to be talking about egdy around here lately...dapper is still the latest stable release right?
[03:06] <morvok> Linux_Galore: it won't compile :)
[03:07] <SilentDis> beta: edgy is latest stable, dapper is LTS
[03:07] <Linux_Galore> beta: yes, and we are feature whores
[03:07] <neo_> ok im a newbie im trying to install superkaramba and the instructions tell me to comple the source i did that now what
[03:07] <beta> er edgy is latest stable? since when?
[03:08] <Schuenemann> since october
[03:08] <SilentDis> !edgy | beta
[03:08] <ubotu> beta: Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Edgy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - Release Notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseNotes
[03:08] <Linux_Galore> neo_: ?? why ?  its on the repo you just install the thing with the package manager
[03:08] <neo_> oh ok duh thanks
[03:08] <SilentDis> beta: are you thinking about feisty fawn, Ubunto 7.04?  that's due out next month :)
[03:09] <beta> silent: no i installed dapper cuz i thought the kubuntu website suggested it was the latest stable release
[03:09] <beta> im confused now
[03:10] <beta> i knew the release structure changed somehow since breezy hm
[03:10] <Linux_Galore> beta: dapper has lts (long term support) were edgy is the latest new stable but it wont have the long term support of dapper so you have to update every 6-12 months
[03:11] <Schuenemann> Linux_Galore, sorry, what video card should I buy in your opinion?
[03:11] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: if you on a budget a nvidia 6200/7200 is fine if you have a bit of cash 7600
[03:11] <pollyo> Hello
[03:12] <beta> so dapper will never see updates to a newer release?
[03:12] <SilentDis> beta: support for dapper will last longer (very much so on server) than a 'normal' ubuntu release.  otherwise, they are released every 6 months (dapper being an exception, 8 month leadin for it), and supported for 12 or 18 months (I can't remember right now).  dapper was a 'special case' deal, with extra emphasis placed on it's reliability and given 'long term support' status.
[03:12] <Linux_Galore> beta: dapper will have bug fixes for a few years were edgy and feisty wont
[03:12] <pollyo> Anyone have a suggestion for how to boot a live cd or dvd on a Dell Dimension E510.  Kubunutu bombs when I attempt to boot it.
[03:12] <Schuenemann> nvidia is ATI?
[03:12] <SilentDis> beta: dapper will continue to see updates for a full 5 years on server, i believe.
[03:13] <SilentDis> Schuenemann: nope.  those are 2 different vid card chipsets
[03:13] <pollyo> I have an ATI card on it and it appears to have problems with the X windows system.
[03:13] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: dont buy ati for Linux, drivers suck get nvidia
[03:13] <Schuenemann> damn...
[03:13] <SilentDis> pollyo: did you try booting with the 'safe graphics mode' or the like?  by 'bombs' what do you mean?  locks up at some particular point or some such?
[03:13] <beta> bah, i got it from the german kubuntu site which indeed suggests dapper is the latest stable release :(
[03:14] <pollyo> SilenDis: I attempted the safe graphics mode.
[03:14] <Schuenemann> when you login as root, the wallpaper is a lot of bombs
[03:14] <Schuenemann> at least on some distros
[03:14] <beta> quote: Die derzeit aktuelle stabile Version ist Kubuntu 6.06.1 LTS "Dapper Drake" which translates to: " the latest stable version is kubuntu 6.06. LTS Dapper drake
[03:14] <pollyo> SilenDis: It comes up with a text based screen that has a red box with information on the error.  I think it said something about not finding a window or a display or something like that.  I can go downstairs and attempt to boot it and get the exact error if you like.
[03:14] <SilentDis> pollyo: during the bootup of the LiveCD, there should be a log console on one of the screens.    Thanks.. Be right back...
[03:16] <SilentDis> beta: hit the main site:  http://www.kubuntu.com/ and branch from there.  I'm betting the translation team just hasn't gotten around to it.  :)
[03:16] <beta> silent: yes i just saw it...what a bummer
[03:16] <Linux_Galore> Schuenemann: there is a project for 3D open source drivers for Linux and Intel have open source drivrs for their stuff ie i950 etc  but ati seem to treat Linux users like they are second class users
[03:16] <gabo> how do i convert a text fiel to ascii
[03:16] <Schuenemann> that sucks
[03:17] <SilentDis> beta: if you download from the main site, translation into german is fully available, just might have to muddle through an english install is all :)
[03:17] <beta> starting out on kubuntu and get an outdated installation because of a translation failure
[03:17] <beta> }:|
[03:17] <SilentDis> Linux_Galore: i'd agree with that statement.  I was due for a vid card upgrade myself, so I switched to nvidia. !envy really helped in that regard too :)
[03:18] <Linux_Galore> beta: try feisty,  its in feature freez right now and it pretty stable so you wont have to update the install for ages
[03:18] <gabo> how do i convert a text file to ascii??
[03:18] <Linux_Galore> gabo: text is ascii
[03:18] <beta> so dapper will always stay dapper...where edgy will update to the newest release via the update manager (once its released)?
[03:19] <SilentDis> gabo: what do you mean by 'convert a text file to ascii'?  most of the time, text files use either UTF-8 or ASCII character sets, and linux supports both fine.  what is the 'end result' you are aiming for?
[03:19] <beta> for example your on edgy and when feist is out ands stable you just upgrade via the updatemanager?
[03:20] <Linux_Galore> beta: it will tell you there is a new version and ask you to update
[03:20] <Schuenemann> wow, that nvidia costs more than an ordinary PC
[03:20] <gabo> im following the instructions to to install the dreamweaver , it says i need to convert the reg file to ascii
[03:20] <Linux_Galore> beta: if you do or not thats your choice, but I would go with feisty right now on a new install less hassle
[03:20] <SilentDis> beta: dapper has the 'dist-upgrade' turned off by default, you can force an update though, see !update.  other (non LTS) distros will not have that restriction on them, and will suggest the upgrade
[03:21] <gabo> but recode wont install throws me an error
[03:21] <SilentDis> Schuenemann: depends on what card you are looking at.  the high end ones can run you $700 or more, yes :)
[03:21] <beta> Linux_Galore: yeah that what i intended to do actually ;)
[03:21] <beta> thx guys
[03:21] <beta> thats a bummer hehe
[03:21] <SilentDis> Schuenemann: I picked up a 7600GS myself, does a great job, cost all of $130 :)
[03:21] <Schuenemann> SilentDis, Alienware ALX Dual 512MB Nvidia 7800GTX's $600
[03:22] <SilentDis> Schuenemann: yeah, that's a high end card hehe.  though, you wouldn't need to worry about upgrading it for a few years :)
[03:22] <Linux_Galore> gabo: actually I have a feelining they mean convert the file from a windows text file to a linux text file
[03:22] <gabo> http://blog.publicidadpixelada.com/how-to-dreamweaver-and-flash-8-running-on-ubuntu-dapper/
[03:22] <ari> hello !!!
[03:23] <SilentDis> mike__: another TDS user, hello! :D
[03:23] <Linux_Galore> gabo: thats the hard way
[03:23] <Where|here> Hey ari
[03:23] <gabo> and the easy way?
[03:23] <Linux_Galore> gabo: just grab codeweavers it will install it for you
[03:23] <gabo> but it isnt free isnt?
[03:23] <beta> man how can something like that happen....just because of someones laziness to update the official german website
[03:24] <beta> sorry, this reallky sucks
[03:24] <SilentDis> beta: I wouldn't say 'lazy'.  I would say busy.  the LoCo teams and such in germany have been QUITE busy on the various planets as of late :)
[03:24] <beta> its not forgiveable
[03:25] <neo_> ughhh im such an idiot can some one tell me how to install this program i downloaded
[03:25] <Linux_Galore> gabo: no it isnt <cough> http://www.mininova.org/tor/556228
[03:25] <Schuenemann> SilentDis, you bought a 256 MB one?
[03:25] <SilentDis> beta: that is your choice.  and also why we're here, to help fix things like this :)  unless they're distributing rootkits as part of the default install, everything in FOSS is forgiveable to me ;)
[03:25] <SilentDis> Schuenemann: yep.  works awesome :)
[03:26] <beta> FOSS?
[03:26] <Schuenemann> SilentDis, like this one? http://cgi.ebay.com/nVidia-Geforce-7600-GS-256MB-DDR2-PCI-E-Graphics-card_W0QQitemZ260096811072QQcategoryZ3762QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[03:26] <mike__> neo_: what's the program, and how's it packaged?
[03:26] <neo_> its superkramba
[03:26] <neo_> i downloaded the source at the site and cant figure it out
[03:26] <SilentDis> Schuenemann: actually, i went with an AGP card, to extend the life of my aging system.  I really need to build a new box, but this stopgap allowed me a few more months of use :)
[03:27] <Schuenemann> didn't realize it was pci
[03:27] <Linux_Galore> neo_: what are you trying to do ? install superkeramba or a plugin ?
[03:27] <neo_> install it
[03:27] <SilentDis> Schuenemann: it's not, it's PCIE, PCI-Extended.
[03:27] <ari> i installed beryl a few days ago and i found out that my mouse (that used to be to the left of my screen) couldn't work out some of beryl's functions that needed clicking (like changing desktops with ctrl+alt+mouse). is there a way to fix that and have my left-handed mouse again ?
[03:27] <Schuenemann> hmm
[03:27] <johey> I just updated Firefox to the latest version, and by doing that, it now segfaults when trying to choose Show->Toolbar->Settings (or whatever it is called in English (I'm using a Swedish version)). Is it just me or is this a bug in the latest release?
[03:27] <Linux_Galore> neo_:   sudo apt-get install superkeramba
[03:28] <neo_> ok ill try that im such a blunder head
[03:28] <mike__> neo_: what he said.
[03:28] <mike__> neo_: compiling from source wouldn't be to hard, but why when apt-get will get what you need
[03:29] <Linux_Galore> neo_: latest ver of suprkeramba will download and install the plugins for you
[03:29] <johey> I have Firefox Version: 2.0+0dfsg-0ubuntu3
[03:29] <beta> which kernel version does the latest stable debian use?
[03:29] <mike__> whee. new system76 laptop.
[03:29] <SilentDis> beta: 2.6.17-11
[03:30] <beta> thx
[03:30] <Linux_Galore> neo_: command should be  sudo apt-get install  superkaramba  sorry
[03:30] <Linux_Galore> typo on the name
[03:30] <Linux_Galore> in*
[03:30] <neo_> ok
[03:31] <SilentDis> beta: looks like they're going with 2.6.20-x for feisty at this point.  first ubuntu to have realtime kernel stuff as a default.  yay! :D
[03:32] <Linux_Galore> SilentDis: RHEL 5 has 2.6.20
[03:32] <SilentDis> Linux_Galore: yep.  I said first UBUNTU for a reason.  I was hoping to see 2.6.18 make it for edgy, but it just squeeked under.  ah well :)
[03:33] <Linux_Galore> SilentDis: with multi core cpu virtualisation seems to be the new buzz word
[03:33] <SilentDis> Linux_Galore: feels like the '80s all over again.  Blast-fax kudos to you! :D
[03:34] <Linux_Galore> SilentDis: I cant see the ubuntu guys releasing feisty after rhel 5 is out with an older kernel lol
[03:35] <beta> iam at a point where i wonder if there is actually just one linux distro out there with manuals and a handbook that is really up to date
[03:35] <SilentDis> Linux_Galore: eh.  DSL still runs a 2.4 kernel... then again, they're tailored for more low-end hardware :)
[03:35] <Linux_Galore> beta: trying to nail Linux down in a book is like trying to stop the tide
[03:35] <beta> i can understand the problems
[03:36] <beta> but ist a pain in the ass
[03:36] <SilentDis> beta: that's REALLY hard to do for linux in general, and especially hard for ubuntu.  with the 6-month release cycle, by the time the book hits the shelves, the next version is already out.
[03:36] <Linux_Galore> SilentDis: yeah but there is a reason for dsl running a 2.4 kernel, for allot of older hardware 2.4 works better than 2.6
[03:36] <beta> especially as they seem to drop standards all over
[03:36] <beta> silent: yes i can clearly see how it is especially hard for ubuntu
[03:37] <Linux_Galore> beta: the base rules stay pretty static though, I did my Linux certification about 3 years ago and I have no issues with new stuff
[03:38] <Linux_Galore> beta: Ive got a big thick Unix book from 9 years ago i still use it to this day
[03:38] <beta> the debian installation guide says Copyright  2004, 2005 so i cant expect it to be up to date i assume ;)
[03:39] <Linux_Galore> beta: also the kde desktop is getting a big update this year  ie kde 4
[03:39] <beta> Linux_Galore: yes, but your are computer literate actual a profesional as you suggest....im not im just a user who cant spent all 12 hours available per day on computers...nor am i willing to
[03:39] <SilentDis> beta: won't be perfect, but the basic stuff is still right.  file locations usually don't change, as an example, just the tools to access them.  apt-get to aptitude to synaptic/adept as example.  same basic underlying code, just a new 'face' on top :)
[03:39] <beta> and there isnt anything wrong with both of it
[03:40] <Linux_Galore> beta: well the idea is to get it all setup then just let the auto update manager do the rest
[03:40] <beta> and its kinda disappointing that the distro that wants to reach out to the most users...has some of the worst documentation
[03:40] <beta> i will probably get falmed for saying this but its how i feel
[03:40] <SilentDis> beta: and, come here and ask.  that's why most of us hang out here.  I might not know much, but I know enough to help :)
[03:41] <Linux_Galore> beta: there is a really good book by O'Rielly  covering Ubuntu
[03:41] <Linux_Galore> beta: its called Ubuntu hacks
[03:41] <wheatie> There are other popular distros with much MUCH worse documentation in general then Ubuntu.
[03:42] <Linux_Galore> Gentoo has the best documentation but then it needs it
[03:42] <Linux_Galore> its very complex
[03:42] <SilentDis> beta: that's one thing about the ubuntu community i've found.  for the most part, unless someone degenerates into personal attacks, the flame never starts out "oh you stupid noob".  that REALLY put me off of linux on the desktop about 5 years ago when I was playing with Red Hat.  I'm glad I tried ubuntu out, the community is AWESOME :)
[03:42] <Schuenemann> of course
[03:42] <Schuenemann> you need to recompile the kernel just to use a single pen drive
[03:43] <Linux_Galore> Gentoo = tweakers wet dream
[03:43] <pollyo> Hello
[03:43] <SilentDis> !hi | pollyo
[03:43] <ubotu> pollyo: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[03:43] <SilentDis> *giggle*
[03:43] <pollyo> I got a version of Kubuntu to boot up on my Dell E510 but now the wireless network card doesn't work.
[03:43] <pollyo> SilentDis: Any idea how to get a Netgear WG311v3 to work?
[03:43] <SilentDis> pollyo: i haven't messed with wireless yet... but the FAQs usually do a good job of things...  some areas to check out...
[03:44] <SilentDis> !wireless | pollyo
[03:44] <ubotu> pollyo: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:44] <Linux_Galore> pollyo: what version of kubuntu
[03:44] <beta> SilentDis: its honorable you say that...linux users can actually be really unhelpful to put it mildly to beginners...quite controverse to what youre being told ;)
[03:44] <pollyo> SilentDis: Ok Thanks.
[03:44] <pollyo> Linux_Galore: It is Feisty...  I couldn't get the earlier version to boot at all.
[03:45] <beta> great english there ;)
[03:45] <pollyo> Linux_Galore: I attempted a Live DVD of the the one that is currently releast (Before Feisty) and just got a black screen discussing the Linux ubuntu 2.6.17....etc..etc..
[03:45] <Linux_Galore> pollyo: yeah, feisty seems to be more dell friendly
[03:45] <SilentDis> beta: i chalk that up more to familiarity than anything.  I can sit here and tap out commands on a term screen all day and wonder why other's can't.  it wasn't until I tried ubuntu and had my first taste of the X Windows environment (I'd been running BSD servers without xwindows installed for years) that it really struck me that 'this is not something everyone does, and people do need help with it' :)
[03:46] <Linux_Galore> pollyo: edgy has a bug but can be fixed
[03:46] <pollyo> Linux_Galore: Is it a boot option that will fix it from the Live DVD?
[03:46] <reldruh> does anybody know if/when k3b 1.0 will get into the repos?
[03:47] <SilentDis> reldruh: let me check something right quick...
[03:47] <reldruh> SilentDis: thanks :-)
[03:49] <Linux_Galore> pollyo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/DellInspiron510m
[03:49] <pollyo> Linux_Galore: Thanks.
[03:50] <DisabledDuck> is there any way to disable the splash screen and just have Kubuntu show the processes being run?
[03:50] <SilentDis> reldruh: i'm pulling the current package list for feisty now, this might take me a few moments, i'm unforunatly stuck on dialup :P
[03:51] <beta> maybe i should give debian a try again
[03:51] <reldruh> SilentDis: will I have to wait for feisty to get it? That would be sad...
[03:51] <beta> i need to get more  serious with linux and i need to choose a distro to stick to for the next year or so
[03:52] <beta> a debian based one is probably a good choice
[03:52] <SilentDis> reldruh: you can pull latest version and hand install, but that's a huge pain.  let me check another repo, give me a moment here
[03:52] <SilentDis> reldruh: also, feisty is all of a month away ;)
[03:52] <reldruh> SilentDis: who says I'm going to upgrade right away? :-)
[03:52] <DisabledDuck> how can i disable the kubuntu splash screen?
[03:52] <reldruh> SilentDis: and I'm still on dapper at work, but it would be nice to not be stuck with older versions of software
[03:53] <SilentDis> reldruh: what, you aren't a feature whore like the rest of us?  lol
[03:53] <beta> meh...giving me an outdated instalkl cuz you cant upgrade the official website of the distro
[03:53] <beta> i cant get over it
[03:53] <Linux_Galore> beta: you will try a few then stick with one, we all do it, bit like buying cars, we swap around for a while then settle on one maker
[03:53] <beta> Linux_Galore: yeah, and i ned to settle down now
[03:53] <reldruh> SilentDis: of course I am. It was a purely hypothetical statement :-) If I wasn't a feature whore would I be complaining about it not being in the repos less than week after it was released? :-)
[03:54] <SilentDis> reldruh: lol point taken, and it's not even been 1 day!  LOL
[03:54] <beta> but ubuntus problems with keeping their documentation up to date drives me away as much as the gebneral ease of use is attracting me :(
[03:54] <Linux_Galore> beta: you got on the boat just as we are getting it all working lol
[03:55] <reldruh> SilentDis: I'm looking at the feisty package list on launchpad right now and I still see 0.12.17
[03:55] <beta> it seems still seems to be the only distro i can setup without much hassle out of the box...being the braindead noob iam
[03:55] <SilentDis> reldruh: ahh, right from the k3b website (http://www.k3b.org/), Kubuntu will have it available in backports soon :)
[03:55] <HacksawSA> Hi, folks. I'm having a problem installing 6.10: it crashes
[03:56] <beta> Linux_Galore: hehe, yes not wanting to flame ubuntu for anything...its great what they do
[03:56] <Linux_Galore> beta: well Ubuntu main aim is to make the whole thing as simple as possible without removing the ability to be changed
[03:56] <HacksawSA> I even know why it crashes: bad video hardware.
[03:56] <reldruh> SilentDis: " k3b's latest binary packages are available in the 'edgy' branch" Doesn't that sound like it should already be available on edgy?
[03:56] <Linux_Galore> beta: its a fine balancing act, make it too simple and its annoying, too complex and people get confused
[03:57] <DisabledDuck> does anyone know how to disable the Kubuntu boot-up screen?
[03:57] <beta> yes
[03:57] <HacksawSA> I know the work around: software cursor. But I don't know how to get the installation disk to start in text mode.
[03:58] <SilentDis> reldruh: i'm running official, and k3b is still version 0.12.17.  I don't have backports enabled though.
[03:58] <Schuenemann> DisabledDuck, kcontrol > appearence and themes
[03:59] <HacksawSA> Is it possible to install full fledged kubuntu strictly in text mode?
[03:59] <reldruh> SilentDis: oh well, I suppose I'll live :-)
[03:59] <Linux_Galore> HacksawSA: it in the first screen when the cd boots
[03:59] <Schuenemann> appearance*
[03:59] <reldruh> HacksawSA: yes, use the alternate CD to do a text install. It's a pretty wonderful process
[03:59] <reldruh> HacksawSA: you can also install a command line system from the alternate cd
[03:59] <HacksawSA> The alternate has all the packages KDE and whatnot?
[04:00] <SilentDis> reldruh: well... due the the announcement of hitting 1.0 was only yesterday, give the repos a week or so to pick it up.  probably less :)
[04:00] <HacksawSA> I wasn't sure.
[04:00] <reldruh> HacksawSA: yep, all the same stuff. It's just not a liveCD
[04:00] <HacksawSA> Great, that'll be fine. Thanks.
[04:00] <DisabledDuck> *Sigh*
[04:01] <Linux_Galore> <-- running k3b 1.0 in edgy , I swapped over yesterday
[04:01] <SilentDis> DisabledDuck: do you mean 'disable usplash', the pretty picture you get as kubuntu boots?
[04:01] <reldruh> SilentDis: what about digikam? (See, I am a feature whore) That may have been out for a whole week :-) i just have to wait and when it gets in, it gets in?
[04:01] <DisabledDuck> SilentDis: the one where it just says "Kubuntu" and the line that shows that its loading
[04:01] <beta> hm, if the distro makers could just note when a handbook has last been updated it would be a great starting point
[04:01] <SilentDis> reldruh: or when it hits !backports :)
[04:02] <Linux_Galore> edgy wont be running k3b 1.0 because growisofs in >= 7.0
[04:02] <SilentDis> DisabledDuck: are you looking to 'see what's behind it', to get a log, or another reason? what's the end result you want to achieve through disabling usplash?
[04:02] <beta> oh wowie...debian actually does that
[04:02] <reldruh> SilentDis: what is backports? I don't have any experience with it. Is it a different repo? one that doesn't come in sources.list at all by default?
[04:02] <beta> 28. Januar 2007
[04:02] <SilentDis> !backports | reldruh
[04:02] <ubotu> reldruh: If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[04:03] <Linux_Galore> edgy uses growisfs 6.1  I had to update it to 7.0 manually
[04:03] <beta> Linux_Galore: are you part of the ubunut development team?
[04:03] <Linux_Galore> growisofs*
[04:03] <Linux_Galore> beta: nope
[04:03] <DisabledDuck> SilentDis: My laptop won't show it, all i get when it's supposed to be showing the "upsplash" is that my screen gets all staticy for about a minute then shows the logon screen
[04:03] <reldruh> Linux_Galore: am I supposed to understand that updated packages don't get updated in a default install?
[04:04] <Linux_Galore> reldruh: doubt it, because they have to also update growisofs
[04:04] <SilentDis> reldruh: ahhh.  sounds like it's having trouble switching to that vid mode.  It's been a while since I disabled mine, and I can't remember how I did it (and I can't figger out how to turn it back on, either lol)
[04:04] <SilentDis> !usplash | DisabledDuck
[04:04] <ubotu> DisabledDuck: To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[04:04] <SilentDis> reldruh: sorry, comment was supposed to go to DisabledDuck
[04:05] <SilentDis> DisabledDuck: : ahhh.  sounds like it's having trouble switching to that vid mode.  It's been a while since I disabled mine, and I can't remember how I did it (and I can't figger out how to turn it back on, either lol)
[04:05] <DisabledDuck> SilentDis: is there any way to just have it show the processing that are loading?
[04:05] <beta> may i ask you more experienced guys the odd question why you settled for ubuntu instead of debian?
[04:05] <Linux_Galore> reldruh: its actually easy to compile in edgy (k3b 1.0) you just have to install a pile of dev packages from the repo and download and compile growisofs (its called  dvd-rw-tools on the web)
[04:06] <SilentDis> beta:  spit and polish mostly.  debian is great, but lacks the 'cohesion' that ubuntu offers.  at least, that's why i went ubuntu
[04:07] <DisabledDuck> SilentDis: ah, thanks
[04:07] <beta> SilentDis: cohesion in which sense? and what do you mean with spit and polish?
[04:08] <beta> sorry, quite poor english here unfortunetaly
[04:09] <Linux_Galore> beta: its an old military term,  soldiers used to spit on their boots then polish them to make it shinier/look better
[04:09] <SilentDis> beta: the idea behind ubuntu is everything "Just Works (TM)".  everything is easy to get to/use/available.  there's a bit more hunting to do with straight debian.
[04:10] <beta> SilentDis: so cohesion referring to the actual distro not to the community
[04:10] <beta> (had to look the term up not sure if i got it right ;)
[04:10] <kristjans> how do i get vmware working on feisty?
[04:11] <Linux_Galore> beta: Linux and the community are very much the same thing
[04:11] <Linux_Galore> !vmware
[04:11] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[04:11] <kristjans> thx
[04:11] <Darkkish> man all the chans are so busy today
[04:11] <SilentDis> kristjans: check out #kubuntu+1 for feisty questions... they've still got some issues going on, and it would be best to get 'em tracked down there :)
[04:11] <kristjans> :) thx
[04:12] <Linux_Galore> kristjans: basically if you have the package manager setup properly you just type  apt-get install vmware
[04:12] <Linux_Galore> sorry sudo apt-get install vmware
[04:13] <kristjans> yeh
[04:13] <SilentDis> beta: with the fast release cycle of ubuntu, you're better guarnteed to get stuff that 'just works' and is the latest version.  with debian, you're either running unstable and dealing with bugs, or running stable and quite a bit behind.
[04:13] <beta> SilentDis: i see
[04:13] <kristjans> hmm, i guess i don't have package manager set up
[04:13] <kristjans> do i need to uncomment feisty-backports?
[04:14] <skittles> how bout with the new 1 coming out, Fiesty, upgrade?
[04:14] <Linux_Galore> kristjans: read the howto I posted, it tells you what you need to add to the package manager
[04:14] <kristjans> oh, okay
[04:14] <kristjans> thx
[04:14] <beta> SilentDis: hm, with ubunut the handbook is very basic obviously (and for good reason) to dig further you have to crawl all over and pick the info together you need (wiki, online official ressource and so on..)
[04:15] <Linux_Galore> kristjans: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware
[04:15] <beta> silentdis: how would you judge debains handbook on this issue.....will it really cover almost everything or do you need a lot of online stuff?
[04:15] <SilentDis> beta: i usually recommend people just come here for help.  if anything, we'll point you in the right direction.  it might seem 'inefficent' at first, but it also helps to build community :)
[04:15] <kristjans> "Feisty 7.04 Users: Feisty 7.04 requires [WWW]  VMware Workstation 6 beta."
[04:15] <kristjans> workstation version seems to be not free
[04:16] <Linux_Galore> kristjans: you need to install vmware-player
[04:16] <SilentDis> beta: i haven't looked over debian's handbook personally.  though, a lot of what is said there will apply here.  I might have a look through at some point :)
[04:16] <kristjans> sudo apt-get install vmware-player ?:)
[04:17] <beta> silentdis: no this channel is great and i actually feel a bit ashamed for having hassled you for so long now...and not even on ubuntu sepcific stuff
[04:17] <SilentDis> beta: as I said, think nothing of it.  I woulda told you to fsck off a long time ago had you given me a hard time :)
[04:17] <beta> SilentDis: oh ok. thought you were really literate with it
[04:17] <beta> SilentDis: :) all right thx a lot
[04:18] <SilentDis> beta: that's the best way to learn, for both the questioner, and the questionee.  i've learned a LOT just looking up info for people hehe
[04:18] <skittles_> my dad and i want to install the new upgrade Fiesty, but thought we'd get some opions from others before we installed it....
[04:19] <beta> silentdis: hehe
[04:19] <SilentDis> skittles_: might be best to go bug folks in #kubuntu+1 for feisty impressions.  most of us are still running edgy here :)
[04:19] <skittles_> what is edgy?
[04:19] <kristjans> kubuntu+1 is empty though
[04:19] <kristjans> there's me and someone else
[04:19] <pollyo> skittles: Are they saying Feisty is going to be official next month?
[04:20] <SilentDis> kristjans: check out #ubuntu+1 then.  while more geared toward gnome, they'll still be able to help :)
[04:20] <SilentDis> !edgy | skittles_
[04:20] <ubotu> skittles_: Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Edgy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - Release Notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseNotes
[04:20] <skittles_> i heard something bout a new upgrade coming in April
[04:20] <pollyo> skittles: I was planning on waiting to put it on my main machine after the official release.
[04:20] <beta> well i will take this as a broad hint and drown my anger in the manual again for some time ;)
[04:20] <pollyo> skittles: I have it on this machine here that I am using though.
[04:20] <skittles_> is there any way i can tell if i have the edgy installed and how?
[04:21] <SilentDis> skittles_: the general release schedule places it next month, April.  The releases are x.04 and x.10 usually (April and October).  Dapper (6.06) was an anomoly, due to it's Long-Term Support
[04:21] <Pupeno__> !version
[04:21] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[04:21] <Pupeno__> skittles_: what ubotu said.
[04:21] <skittles_> ok, tks <ubotu>
[04:21] <skittles_> brb
[04:22] <pablo7> adept just helped me do a lobotmy on my Dapper, anyone interested in providing some LTS?
[04:22] <SilentDis> pablo7: ask away.  if anything, we'll find something somewhere that'll help :)
[04:23] <pablo7> SilentDis:  went to uninstall/re-install cupsys because of error messages and it wasn't starting...
[04:23] <skittles_> have version 6.5
[04:24] <sadistic_kitten> hey peeps
[04:24] <sadistic_kitten> anyone want to help with a simple networking problem
[04:24] <SilentDis> skittles_: version 6.5 of what?
[04:24] <skittles_> IUb untu
[04:24] <pablo7> SilentDis:  next thing i know adept was uninstalling konqueror and everything else.
[04:24] <skittles_> ubuntu
[04:24] <SilentDis> !ask | sadistic_kitten
[04:24] <cosmo_> ok so I went into the system settings window and adjusted my moniter settings, then rebooted and now it will only boot into the command line, how do I fix it(being forced to talk in windows /cry)
[04:24] <ubotu> sadistic_kitten: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:24] <sadistic_kitten> both comps are kubunt, one is only cli
[04:25] <sadistic_kitten> cli comp is a laptop, and I pretty much just want to move files from the laptop to the desktop via a router
[04:25] <SilentDis> skittles_: never herd of such a thing.  run this command, it'll tell us the kernel version, and we can deduce from there:  uname -r
[04:25] <pablo7> SilentDis:  now I am left with a semi-working system, but things are missing like kmenu.
[04:25] <skittles_> uname -r
[04:25] <SilentDis> pablo7: aak.  I'd say possibly reinstalling kubuntu-desktop would be in order, to pick up all the missing bits
[04:26] <SilentDis> pablo7: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[04:26] <bdb> I installed Kubuntu, i added MPlayer, to play some .mpg's, they play and I hear audio, but I get this error.... "Requested audio codec family [MP3]  (afm=mp3lib) not available Enable it at compilation". Any ideas of meaning and or a fix for it?
[04:26] <pablo7> SilentDis:  thanks, i will try that now.
[04:27] <skittles_> ok, <silent> this is waht it said when i run what you gave me in the room<2.6.15-28-386>
[04:27] <SilentDis> skittles_: you are running Ubuntu 6.06 (Dapper Drake)
[04:27] <sadistic_kitten> bdb try installing easyubuntu
[04:27] <skittles_> okay now we have that figured out aND TKS SO MUCH SILENT
[04:27] <sadistic_kitten> that worked for me
[04:27] <xavior2180> hi people :)
[04:28] <skittles_> dang cpas, sry
[04:28] <bdb> thanks Kitten, I will try
[04:28] <sadistic_kitten> kk
[04:28] <SilentDis> !upgrade | skittles_ - if you're looking to upgrade to edgy, this is the info you'll need
[04:28] <ubotu> skittles_ - if you're looking to upgrade to edgy, this is the info you'll need: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[04:29] <skittles_> tks Ubotu
[04:29] <SilentDis> skittles_: you have to go 1 distro hop at a time (6.06 > 6.10 > 7.04) as example
[04:29] <skittles_> is there any thing i can read on it before installing it?
[04:30] <SilentDis> !edgy
[04:30] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Edgy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - Release Notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseNotes
[04:30] <SilentDis> skittles_: check out that last link for release notes for Ubuntu 6.10, Edgy Eft
[04:30] <skittles_> tks so much, silent and ubotu
[04:31] <skittles_> i will leave so you can help other pplz and thanks again so much
[04:31] <SilentDis> skittles_: ubotu is the all-knowing, all-seeing, always-helpful bot that resides in the *ubuntu support channels.  while he does his best, he's still just a bot ;)
[04:33] <kristjans> any graphics application in kde that would be suitable for pixel art?
[04:33] <sadistic_kitten> kristjans: gimp?
[04:33] <kristjans> no kde apps for that?
[04:34] <sadistic_kitten> I dunno, gimp runs on kde and is pretty good
[04:34] <kristjans> i know that gimp is good:P
[04:34] <SilentDis> kristjans: the Gimp usually does a pretty good job at most graphics stuff.  not sure if it's particularly suited to doing pixel art, but it can do it.  Gimp is for X Windows, not for gnome/kde specifially
[04:34] <kristjans> okay
[04:34] <sadistic_kitten> yeah what SilentDis
[04:34] <sadistic_kitten> said
[04:34] <kristjans> time to get gimp installed
[04:35] <kristjans> again
[04:35] <kristjans> btw gimp is awesome for pixel art
[04:35] <sadistic_kitten> SilentDis: could you help me quickly now
[04:35] <SilentDis> kristjans: good to know, thanks :)
[04:35] <SilentDis> sadistic_kitten: ask away.  I must've missed your question, sorry :)
[04:35] <sadistic_kitten> that's k
[04:36] <sadistic_kitten> i basically want to move files from one comp to another via a router
[04:36] <SilentDis> sadistic_kitten: ask quickly though, i need to run out and buy ciggies VERY soon lol
[04:36] <savor> kristjans: you might want to look at krita
[04:36] <sadistic_kitten> both comps are kubuntu
[04:36] <sadistic_kitten> and one is only cli
[04:36] <xavior2180> sadistic_kitten: you could use sftp or ftp
[04:36] <kristjans> savor: i'll try it out
[04:36] <kristjans> thx
[04:37] <savor> np
[04:37] <sadistic_kitten> xavior2180: k how do I set that up
[04:37] <SilentDis> sadistic_kitten: so, both machines are on an internal network, same general IP space, right?  I'd say NFS is one way, another is a small-ish webserver
[04:37] <SilentDis> sadistic_kitten: or, you could go the samba route.  really up to you.  how often are you looking to perform the transfers?
[04:37] <sadistic_kitten> SilentDis: yes both comps connect via a netgear router
[04:37] <xavior2180> sadistic_kitten: you have openssh or anything installed?  it's easier to setup than ftp, IMO
[04:38] <sadistic_kitten> SilentDis: well after the files are transfered I'm wiping the machine...
[04:38] <SilentDis> sadistic_kitten: xavior2180 is also correct, an openssh transfer works as well :)
[04:38] <xavior2180> and yeah, if you transfer stuff often then nfs would be better
[04:38] <SilentDis> sadistic_kitten: ahh.  if you're just doing this 'one time', I'd say setup NFS
[04:39] <sadistic_kitten> SilentDis: ok how would I go about doing that?
[04:39] <SilentDis> sadistic_kitten: one moment, got a really nice howto on that...
[04:39] <sadistic_kitten> in the cli
[04:39] <SilentDis> sadistic_kitten: http://czarism.com/easy-peasy-ubuntu-linux-nfs-file-sharing
[04:39] <sadistic_kitten> SilentDis: cool, I shall check out
[04:40] <xavior2180> ssh/sftp is easier to set up than nfs, but nfs is easier to use after it's set up once
[04:40] <xavior2180> at least in my opinion
[04:40] <SilentDis> now, if you'll excuse me.... this existant anomoly of space-time needs to make a ciggie run.  be back later :)
[04:40] <kouran> is there a way to start the kubuntu installer without booting into the os when you load the disk? just that the comp im using is lean on ram..
[04:41] <kristjans> alterantive install?
[04:41] <kristjans> alternative*
[04:41] <sadistic_kitten> xavior2180: if it is easier to set up, could you tell me how
[04:41] <SilentDis> kouran: so long as it has 256mb or greater, you should be ok.  use the alternate CD, rather than the desktop CD though.
[04:41] <sadistic_kitten> and keep in mind I have no gui on one machine
[04:41] <ira> can some one help with feisty aptep updator errors?
[04:41] <xavior2180> sadistic_kitten: you don't need a gui to set up either
[04:41] <kouran> ah thanks.
[04:41] <xavior2180> they both run as a service on either machine
[04:41] <sadistic_kitten> xavior2180: ok so how would I go about doing it then?
[04:42] <SilentDis> kouran: if it's less than 256, go with Xubuntu.  I've got Xubuntu running great (from the alternate cd) on a P1 300Mhz laptop with all of 64mb ram :)
[04:42] <xavior2180> or deamon, rather
[04:42] <kouran> the alternate cd will give me a gui right?
[04:42] <cpk1> ncurses I think
[04:42] <Minataku> TUI
[04:42] <Minataku> Text User Interface
[04:42] <kristjans> alternate is like windows xp
[04:42] <kristjans> install
[04:42] <xavior2180> sadistic_kitten: if you want openssh, then just apt-get install openssh, or whatever the name of that package is
[04:42] <SilentDis> now, off with me.  be back later :)
[04:42] <kristjans> or was it 2000
[04:42] <kristjans> :P
[04:42] <Minataku> It's different from CLI in that you get a GUI made out of text
[04:43] <xavior2180> sadistic_kitten: and then start it.  then you can ssh/sftp to that machine
[04:43] <sadistic_kitten> ok cool
[04:43] <xavior2180> sadistic_kitten: sftp works just like ftp
[04:43] <Minataku> Anyone watching the Formula 1 race?
[04:43] <kouran> let me get this straight. alternate cd will be completely text based?
[04:43] <sadistic_kitten> xavior2180: I wouldn't know as I've never networked before
[04:43] <xavior2180> ah
[04:43] <Minataku> It's a bit early to say, but it looks like Kimi Raikkonen is gonna take it easy
[04:43] <ira> can  any one help with adept updater error? on feisty
[04:44] <xavior2180> sadistic_kitten: well ssh is pretty easy to set up.  you basically just install it and turn it on
[04:44] <sadistic_kitten> ok
[04:44] <ira> kouran it can be
[04:44] <kouran> so theres an option to change it to gui?
[04:45] <ira> up to you
[04:45] <chino> do you guys have logs ?
[04:45] <ira> sure
[04:45] <kouran> ira you're being rather vague..
[04:45] <ira> you can texc base or gui
[04:45] <Minataku> kouran: It'll be easy as GUI with the TUI
[04:46] <kouran> ok thanks
[04:46] <ira> so no one for the adept  updater help?
[04:47] <ira> damn!
[04:47] <ira> what the heck is an incorrect nice value?
[04:48] <kristjans> ira: i have the same exact error
[04:48] <ira> ah have you made any headway?
[04:49] <kristjans> i got the next button working i think
[04:49] <kristjans> sudo dpkg-reconfigure debconf
[04:49] <maddog39> wat r u guys talking about
[04:49] <kristjans> i think i messed around with that
[04:49] <cosmo_> ok so I went into the system settings window and adjusted my moniter settings, then rebooted and now it will only boot into the command line, how do I fix it? I am running 6.10 edgy and have a nvidia 6600gt vid card
[04:50] <ira> maddog using the adept updater
[04:50] <maddog39> aah
[04:50] <sadistic_kitten> cosmo_: try sax2
[04:50] <cosmo_> sax2?
[04:50] <sadistic_kitten> as in in the cli type sax2
[04:50] <ira> getting a incorrectnice value
[04:50] <sadistic_kitten> I think that works
[04:50] <sadistic_kitten> but it's been a long time since I've done things like that
[04:50] <sadistic_kitten> and I was running Suse
[04:51] <ira> Use of uninitialized value in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Stack.pm line 104, <GEN47> line 17.
[04:51] <sadistic_kitten> but at lease try it
[04:51] <kristjans> i think i'm going to downgrade to 6.10
[04:51] <ira> is what is happening
[04:51] <cosmo_> ok I will try that
[04:51] <maddog39> im attempting LFS/BLFS
[04:51] <maddog39> :D
[04:51] <maddog39> not as hard as many ppl think
[04:52] <menisk> I have just setup my WiFi using ndiswrapper, but I have to go into the terminal and type "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper" to turn it on. Is there a way to make it do this at boot?
[04:52] <cecstation> adonoh
[04:52] <ira> insmod?
[04:53] <maddog39> menisik: go into K > Internet > Wireless Assistant
[04:53] <ira> kaj 	am trying to nexct past it
[04:54] <menisk> Ah, thanks maddog39.
[04:54] <maddog39> np
[04:54] <menisk> :D
[04:54] <maddog39> :D
[04:54] <menisk> I love this community.
[04:54] <maddog39> lol yup
[04:54] <maddog39> i did too
[04:54] <menisk> Bye.
[04:54] <menisk> :P
[04:54] <maddog39> bye
[04:55] <dystopianray> menisk: wireless assitant is pretty lame, try knetworkmanager if possible
[04:55] <ira> line 2521
[04:55] <Kite_DH> got a little question
[04:55] <maddog39> i was trying to rule out the package manager
[04:55] <maddog39> lol
[04:55] <Kite_DH> i saw a screenshot of a guy, he had IRC in his terminal
[04:55] <Kite_DH> how can i do that
[04:55] <sadistic_kitten> Kite_DH: irssi
[04:56] <dystopianray> Kite_DH: use a terminal irc client
[04:56] <sadistic_kitten> sudo apt-get install irssi
[04:56] <Kite_DH> oh
[04:56] <maddog39> lol
[04:56] <Kite_DH> thx
[04:56] <maddog39> has ne1 attempted LFS yet
[04:56] <Minataku> Ah... one of the best sounds on Earth... the screaming wail of a Formula 1 engine <3
[04:56] <maddog39> lol what??
[04:57] <ira> not I
[04:57] <dystopianray> maddog39: i've played with it, it takes too long though
[04:57] <maddog39> lol i aggree
[04:57] <maddog39> im trying it but making a bash script
[04:57] <maddog39> to redbuild the system
[04:57] <ira> I just want adept work
[04:57] <maddog39> if i want
[04:57] <ira> ing right
[04:58] <maddog39> adept never works right on 6.10
[04:58] <maddog39> is that wat ur using?
[04:58] <dystopianray> adept is lame
[04:58] <maddog39> yes
[04:58] <maddog39> it is
[04:58] <ira> Use of uninitialized value in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Stack.pm line 104, <GEN47> line 5433.
[04:58] <NightBird> uh... adept works fine on 6.10.... for me
[04:58] <ira> nope festgy
[04:59] <ira> 6.10 fine also
[04:59] <maddog39> adept crashes like a m* f*er on my computer
[04:59] <maddog39> all the time
[04:59] <maddog39> every time i do something
[04:59] <maddog39> i crashes
[04:59] <ira> dont do what ever you do!
[04:59] <scotty> Is there anyway to have Kubuntu lock my session whenever I close my laptop lid?
[04:59] <maddog39> lol
[04:59] <dystopianray> i wasn't even using adept and suddenly a crash dialog appear saying adept crashed!
[05:00] <maddog39> lol
[05:00] <maddog39> rofl
[05:00] <maddog39> see, kde blows
[05:00] <maddog39> i keep telling ppl
[05:00] <dystopianray> scotty: click on the power icon thing in the system tray, look at the bottom of the dialog
[05:00] <dystopianray> no way, kde is awesome, it's just adept that sucks
[05:00] <ira> Use of uninitialized value in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Stack.pm line 104, <GEN47> line 5433.
[05:00] <ira> arghg
[05:00] <scotty> dystopianray:
[05:00] <scotty> thanks
[05:00] <cosmo_> nope that didn't work, sax2 did nothing
[05:01] <maddog39> debconf is written in perl?
[05:01] <ira> isnt sax suse?
[05:02] <ira> who knows?
[05:02] <maddog39> suse is backed by "The Corporations"
[05:02] <maddog39> so i nvr used it
[05:02] <maddog39> and never will
[05:02] <maddog39> and therefore have no clue
[05:02] <maddog39> sry
[05:02] <Minataku> SuSE fails it nowadays
[05:03] <Minataku> It used to be top choice for new users
[05:03] <Minataku> Now it's just crap
[05:03] <maddog39> lol
[05:03] <maddog39> ubuntu is top choice for new users, aint it?
[05:03] <ira> it was awsum now it goes begging fcoir crack
[05:03] <iamsam9895> maddog39, yeah, but the kde desktop is the best.
[05:03] <bonbonthejon> !alsa
[05:03] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[05:04] <maddog39> rofl *chokes and vomits vigorously on iamsam9895*
[05:04] <NightBird> throw kubuntu on there... see how long I can go without switching to Windows...
[05:04] <ira> frankly 	would use frdora for a new user
[05:04] <iamsam9895> maddog39, ?
[05:04] <ira> then you dont run into the ati crap
[05:04] <maddog39> KDE blows
[05:04] <iamsam9895> HAH
[05:04] <maddog39> especially for mobile devices
[05:04] <iamsam9895> KDE YUM!
[05:04] <iamsam9895> Well, duh
[05:04] <xavior2180> lol
[05:04] <maddog39> now im not saying GNOME is any better
[05:04] <maddog39> but i like to stay neutral
[05:05] <dystopianray> gnome is stupider and more resource intensive than kde
[05:05] <maddog39> i dont use gnome
[05:05] <maddog39> lol
[05:05] <NightBird> I think ubuntu and fedora core are probably the big linux distros..
[05:05] <iamsam9895> GNOME IS TEH PUKE
[05:05] <maddog39> i dont use gnome
[05:05] <maddog39> or kde
[05:05] <maddog39> or fluxbox
[05:05] <iamsam9895> xfce?
[05:05] <maddog39> or xubuntu
[05:05] <iamsam9895> oh
[05:05] <delrey> Could someone help me with wireless issues please? I've got a wireless card to the point where ifconfig -a shows all the proper information about wlan0 and iwconfig wlan0 shows me that i'm 'connected' to the essid with the proper wep key
[05:05] <NightBird> maddog39 makes use of the basic x interface
[05:05] <maddog39> i use xfce
[05:05] <ira> festy is supposet to fix the ati krap
[05:05] <maddog39> but no xubuntu
[05:05] <dystopianray> i use twm
[05:05] <maddog39> not*
[05:05] <iamsam9895> xfce == xubuntu
[05:05] <maddog39> no
[05:05] <NightBird> no fancy user interfaces for him!
[05:05] <iamsam9895> lol
[05:05] <delrey> dhclient wlan0 gives me weird No DHCPOFFERS received issues
[05:06] <maddog39> i use a default custom compile of xfce on top of Ubuntu LTS
[05:06] <iamsam9895> oh
[05:06] <ira> maddog uses lynx!
[05:06] <maddog39> :D
[05:06] <NightBird> draw, drop, recise and the ability to spawn more consoles... what more do you need?
[05:06] <maddog39> rofl
[05:06] <iamsam9895> so, like, custom xubuntu
[05:06] <dystopianray> delrey: have you connected to the access point?
[05:06] <maddog39> yea
[05:06] <NightBird> draw.... drag..
[05:06] <maddog39> sort of
[05:06] <cosmo_> I went into the system setting->moniter's and display and tried to set it up for my system (I have a Gforce 6600GT and 2 CRT moniters hooked up) whern I restarted now the only thing it will do is come up with the command line interface, it will not boot into the GUI at all, anyone know how to fix this
[05:06] <NightBird> er... and resize, not recise..
[05:06] <iamsam9895> AUGH, LOTS OF TEXT
[05:06] <maddog39> im trying to switch to BLFS
[05:06] <ira> startx?
[05:06] <maddog39> using scritps
[05:06] <ira> see what happens
[05:06] <maddog39> im making along the way
[05:06] <iamsam9895> Heh.
[05:06] <maddog39> as i build my initial system
[05:06] <iamsam9895> I love my kde
[05:07] <delrey> dystopianray: okay, so ndiswrapper module made. sudo modprobe ndiswrapper && iwconfig wlan0 essid MYESSID && iwconfig wlan0 enc MYWEPKEY && dhclient wlan0
[05:07] <maddog39> because i require special kernel options
[05:07] <iamsam9895> But I have bothe kde and gnome apps
[05:07] <delrey> dystopianray: it gets up to the last stage and then fails
[05:07] <maddog39> to run
[05:07] <NightBird> yeah, well I'm switching to RSUG..
[05:07] <dystopianray> delrey: do you have dhcp on the network?
[05:07] <ira> cosmo startx
[05:07] <delrey> dystopianray: yes
[05:07] <dystopianray> delrey: maybe try one of the gui wireless apps
[05:07] <ira> I amswitching to Vista ducking
[05:08] <iamsam9895> What is the easiest way to play an avi on kubuntu?
[05:08] <maddog39> ira: nooooooooooooooooooo, dont doo it!!!
[05:08] <iamsam9895> Wait, I might have it
[05:08] <cosmo_> tried that is gave me 2 errors (EE) failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.so and (EE) failed to load module "GLcore"(loader failed, 7)
[05:08] <iamsam9895> BTW, wine hates me.
[05:08] <maddog39> lol
[05:08] <maddog39> i got HL2/CSS/HL2DM working in Wine
[05:08] <maddog39> :D
[05:08] <ira> re install the nvidia drivers?
[05:08] <delrey> dystopianray: well seeing as though the gui tools are basically wrappers for the underlying tools i'm using, i don't see the point, but i tried that as well using the Internet -> Wireless Assistant
[05:09] <iamsam9895> So, how do I watch an avi.
[05:09] <iamsam9895> I just need a simple player
[05:09] <ira> oh avi use thatg automatux2
[05:09] <delrey> Man, I hate the #ubuntu channel with a great passion.
[05:09] <iamsam9895> Hopefully an apt-get thing.
[05:09] <iamsam9895> delrey, yeah
[05:09] <cosmo_> how do I reinstall the drivers when I can't get into the GUI
[05:09] <iamsam9895> delrey, They all suck at advice.
[05:09] <delrey> iamsam9895: mplayer works for me
[05:09] <delrey> iamsam9895: You could use vlc as well I suppose
[05:09] <dystopianray> delrey: like kwirelessassitant or knetworkmanager
[05:09] <ira> google nvidia on kubuntu
[05:10] <delrey> dystopianray: Yeah, I'm probably using that
[05:10] <iamsam9895> My built in mplayer refuses to play it.
[05:10] <delrey> dystopianray: Those fail as well, at least with command line tools, it's easy to pipe output around
[05:10] <iamsam9895> Aww, automatux2 isn't in the repositories.
[05:10] <delrey> dystopianray: But anyway, dhclient seems to be the issue. how would i configure it?
[05:10] <ira> i liek automatux plays dvds
[05:10] <ira> nope you need to get it with another program
[05:10] <delrey> dystopianray: i'm running the exact same commands i run on gentoo to get it to work on ubuntu
[05:10] <iamsam9895> BUT MPLAYER IS
[05:11] <delrey> the only think that is different is that i use dhcpcd instead of dhclient
[05:11] <iamsam9895> Well, I'm going back to windows anyways.
[05:11] <ira> google automatux on unbuntu
[05:11] <iamsam9895> *kick me*
[05:11] <iamsam9895> not from the chan
[05:12] <maddog39> lool
[05:12] <maddog39> wooaaahh
[05:12] <iamsam9895> I need to be able to play halo.
[05:12] <maddog39> nikkiana
[05:12] <iamsam9895> Therefore i require windows.
[05:12] <maddog39> your from NH?
[05:12] <delrey> Could someone please help me out?
[05:12] <maddog39> nikiana has the same last 4 parts of my hostname
[05:12] <maddog39> thats freaky
[05:13] <delrey> I've tried this for a couple of months already and it must be really trivial because the same commands work on a gentoo setup minus the dhclient part which is replaced by dhcpcd
[05:13] <delrey> it doesn't work and i really appreciate help because i can't get a kubuntu convert otherwise :(
[05:14] <ira> http://www.getautomatix.com/wiki/index.php?title=Installation&Itemid=38
[05:14] <ira> super easy to install
[05:15] <iamsam9895> MY GOD, NOTHING WANTS TO PLAY THIS AVI
[05:15] <ira> http://www.getautomatix.com/wiki/index.php?title=Installation&Itemid=38#Ubuntu_6.10_.28Edgy_386.29
[05:15] <ira> iamsam read the line above this
[05:16] <ira> and use the link
[05:16] <maddog39> iamsam: download VLC palyer
[05:16] <iamsam9895> Doing that now
[05:16] <delrey> I guess I actually have to go to the Debian channel because even this channel is coming up short
[05:16] <maddog39> lol
[05:16] <ira> automatix is better
[05:16] <ira> :-P
[05:16] <iamsam9895> Vlc has always been my favorite
[05:17] <iamsam9895> And I can apt-get vlc
[05:17] <iamsam9895> So bleh
[05:17] <ira> you have the wrong favorite
[05:17] <ira> lol
[05:17] <iamsam9895> But i can't apt-get  echo "deb http://www.getautomatix.com/apt edgy main" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:17] <iamsam9895> err
[05:17] <iamsam9895> BAH
[05:17] <iamsam9895> So maybe I can.
[05:17] <ira> why not?
[05:17] <mervteck> #winehq
[05:17] <iamsam9895> But vlc is almost done
[05:17] <iamsam9895> What about winehq?
[05:17] <iamsam9895> I've been there lots.
[05:18] <iamsam9895> AUGH!!!!
[05:18] <iamsam9895> VLC FAILED ME!
[05:18] <iamsam9895> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa
[05:18] <Daisuke_Ido> automatix messes things up and is NOT supported
[05:18] <ira> iasam why not?
[05:18] <ira> works for me
[05:18] <Daisuke_Ido> using it is *stupid*
[05:18] <Daisuke_Ido> now good night, gentlemen
[05:18] <ira> plays dve and the stupid windows stuff
[05:19] <delrey> I've heard not to recommend automatix a lot as well
[05:19] <iamsam9895> like my fucked up avi?
[05:19] <maddog39> khtml has a really crappy renderer
[05:19] <ira> yeah
[05:19] <maddog39> all the text is off on ubuntuforums
[05:19] <maddog39> gtkhtml
[05:19] <ira> iamsam try porno convert?
[05:19] <maddog39> is way better
[05:19] <iamsam9895> What?
[05:19] <iamsam9895> ira, What?
[05:20] <crazy_bus> I'm trying to update the sources on a friends computer.  All the source work except universe.  It comes up with an error about gzip or something similar.  What can I do to fix it?
[05:20] <iamsam9895> I'm not fucking converting one vid.
[05:20] <dx11101> i have a question about dvd::rip
[05:20] <iamsam9895> This is just and instruction vid for a windows custom combined install cd
[05:20] <dx11101> which repository is it in?
[05:20] <ira> hey if itg fu*king ....
[05:20] <iamsam9895> an*
[05:21] <iamsam9895> I'm installing windows again.
[05:21] <Elvis_Presley> !es
[05:21] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:21] <iamsam9895> I love linux very much, but I need my games.
[05:21] <delrey> iamsam9895: Quit trolling about it then
[05:21] <ira> ok I am getting no where on adapt
[05:21] <r1nux> all my games work lovely in wine
[05:22] <r1nux> havn't failed me yet
[05:22] <iamsam9895> delrey, I'm just telling him why I need the video, he obviously thinks its porno
[05:22] <dx11101> if the game is worth playing it works in linux somehow
[05:22] <iamsam9895> r1nux, tried halo?
[05:22] <r1nux> No, wouldnt even try it on windows
[05:22] <iamsam9895> HA
[05:22] <iamsam9895> You're missing out.
[05:22] <delrey> Why would dhclient wlan0 produce No DHCPOFFERS received even when iwconfig wlan0 shows that it is connected to the AP
[05:22] <r1nux> And I did say my games. ;)
[05:22] <kouran> how do i use gui install on the alternate cd?
[05:23] <dx11101> the more windows games you buy the richers bill gates gets
[05:23] <iamsam9895> Who said I buy them?
[05:23] <iamsam9895> O_o
[05:23] <iamsam9895> Nobody saw that.
[05:23] <kouran> how do i use gui install on the alternate cd?
[05:23] <dx11101> without valid cd-keys your not playing any games
[05:24] <iamsam9895> Uhh.
[05:24] <iamsam9895> Really now.
[05:24] <dx11101> really now
[05:24] <iamsam9895> Halo will take a key of 00000-00000-000....
[05:24] <iamsam9895> Then with an online product id, you can play online
[05:24] <dx11101> ohh wow i can download a cd key generator and get 200 viruses to play single player
[05:24] <iamsam9895> just a little registy edit.
[05:24] <kouran> i dont think this is a channel to discuss PIRATED GAMES
[05:24] <ira> iasam i did the first echo no problem
[05:25] <iamsam9895> We are just talking about hte what-if, kouran
[05:25] <kouran> lol
[05:25] <kouran> im no saint either, hehe
[05:25] <delrey> Why would dhclient wlan0 produce No DHCPOFFERS received even when iwconfig wlan0 shows that it is connected to the AP
[05:26] <beta> what could be the reason why unclutter and cascading doenst do anything at all?
[05:26] <beta> (middle click on desktop in kde)
[05:26] <iamsam9895> Ok, I'm trying your qutomatic2
[05:26] <ira> it unpluged?
[05:26] <dx11101> anyone here see dvd::rip in adept?
[05:26] <iamsam9895> -q +a
[05:27] <jhutchins> delrey: AP isn't forwarding?  DHCP server fubar?
[05:27] <ira> running setup here onold laptop iamsam
[05:27] <jhutchins> delrey: DHCP client timed out prior to PA associating?
[05:28] <ari> i installed beryl a few days ago and i found out that my mouse (that used to be to the left of my screen) couldn't work out some of beryl's functions that needed clicking (like changing desktops with ctrl+alt+mouse). is there a way to fix that and have my left-handed mouse again ?
[05:28] <iamsam9895> What the hell, how many things does automatic do?
[05:29] <jhutchins> !automatix
[05:29] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[05:30] <dx11101> !dvd::rip
[05:30] <ubotu> dvdrip: perl front end for transcode. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:0.98.1-0.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 718 kB, installed size 2084 kB
[05:30] <iamsam9895> dx11101, automatix2 has a couple of dvd rippers.
[05:30] <ira> wellworks for me
[05:30] <delrey> jhutchins: Ah, finally someone I've seen given good advice to before :)
[05:30] <iamsam9895> Oh damn.
[05:30] <dx11101> can someone tell me the link to the multiverse repository please?/
[05:30] <delrey> jhutchins: Well, the DHCP server is fine, because the rest of the network works.
[05:30] <iamsam9895> Thanks alot, ira
[05:31] <iamsam9895> Break my linux install.
[05:31] <iamsam9895> How aobut not.
[05:31] <binks_> dx11101: just enble it in adept
[05:31] <ira> wellit didnt break mine
[05:31] <iamsam9895> No more automatix for me.
[05:31] <ira> but you mentioned the word windoes didnt you
[05:31] <dx11101> adept has universe but not multiverse
[05:31] <jhutchins> delrey: Try assigning an IP manually and seeing if you can ping.  You may not have WEP or whatever fully negotiated; or you may just need to re-start the Wireless card.
[05:31] <iamsam9895> I think adept does have multiverse.
[05:32] <kouran> um in the text based kubuntu installer, it asks for a WEP key. i use WPA. is there an option for WPA?
[05:32] <binks_> ok sudo kate /etc/apt/ources.list and un comment the multiverse lines
[05:32] <dx11101> i dont see it in my sources.list
[05:32] <iamsam9895> binks_, did you forget a s?
[05:32] <dx11101> could you tell me the link?
[05:32] <binks_> iamsam9895:
[05:32] <binks_> yes
[05:32] <jhutchins> !easysources
[05:32] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[05:32] <binks_> dam keyboard
[05:32] <kouran> um in the text based kubuntu installer, it asks for a WEP key. i use WPA. is there an option for WPA?
[05:32] <jhutchins> G'Night folks
[05:33] <binks_> jnight
[05:33] <delrey> jhutchins: Hold on, please
[05:33] <Minataku> !!! K Raikkonen / F Alonso / L Hamilton / N Heidfeld / G Fisichella / F Massa / N Rosberg / R Schumacher << FINAL RESULTS - TOP 8 - 2007 FORMULA 1 AUSTRALIA GP [ ROUND ONE ]
[05:33] <delrey> jhutchins: I have to get my dinner, and I'll be right back, I really need help
[05:33] <iamsam9895> Anybody know how much a Windows NT 3.51 CD costs?
[05:34] <NightBird> iamsam9895: that came on a cd?
[05:34] <kouran> minataku, im from melbourne, i know already lol.
[05:34] <Minataku> lol
[05:34] <Minataku> Well, I'm from the USA, so there was a slight delay
[05:34] <kouran> hehe
[05:34] <iamsam9895> NightBird, I do believe it did.  I need it to use my XP upgrade.
[05:34] <kouran> i was gonna go this year... but no money!
[05:34] <Minataku> That and I'm rusty on names and had to look them up to make sure I got them right XD
[05:34] <kouran> haha
[05:34] <delrey> jhutchins: Sorry buddy, I really help, so here goes
[05:34] <NightBird> iamsam9895, do you not have any other windows install cd?
[05:34] <kouran> um in the text based kubuntu installer, it asks for a WEP key. i use WPA. is there an option for WPA?
[05:34] <iamsam9895> Nope
[05:34] <iamsam9895> NightBird: I had one.
[05:35] <iamsam9895> But a friend took it.
[05:35] <NightBird> iamsam9895: sad day
[05:35] <delrey> jhutchins: I got a Linksys PCI WMP11v4 wifi card and it seems to have the proper ndiswrapper module made for it
[05:35] <NightBird> iamsam9895: you should kick him till he returns it
[05:35] <iamsam9895> NightBird: hE MOVED AWAY WITH IT
[05:35] <delrey> jhutchins: When I try all the standard wifi tests, like 'can i detect other networks?' etc. they all work
[05:35] <iamsam9895> Damn caps
[05:35] <dx11101> ohhh i see whats up
[05:35] <NightBird> iamsam9895: kick him anyways
[05:35] <NightBird> :P
[05:35] <delrey> jhutchins: But dhclient wlan0 doesn't work for whatever reason. this machine is on the same network as other machines that already work, so it's not a server side problem
[05:36] <NightBird> besides, you have access to the internet, right? >_>
[05:36] <NightBird> <_<
[05:36] <NightBird> use froogle.com
[05:36] <NightBird> find out there
[05:36] <kouran> can anyone answer my question?
[05:36] <iamsam9895> NightBird: I tried _obtaining_ one from certain sources *cought*torrent*cough*.  But all too slow.
[05:36] <kouran> about wpa instead of wep in this text installer...
[05:36] <delrey> Can anyone answer _my_ question? :)
[05:36] <NightBird> iamsam9895: well, I would never suggest doing it in an illegal manor...
[05:36] <delrey> Ideally WPA2, but some routers can't handle that
[05:36] <iamsam9895> Of course not.
[05:37] <iamsam9895> But what is the worth of NT 3.51?  12 cents?
[05:37] <iamsam9895> The cost of theCD
[05:37] <delrey> iamsam9895: Ask in ##windows
[05:37] <iamsam9895> ?
[05:37] <NightBird> acoording to froogle... $56.11
[05:37] <iamsam9895> Thanks
[05:37] <NightBird> ... or $9.99 from ebay
[05:37] <NightBird> apparently
[05:39] <iamsam9895> 56.11?
[05:39] <delrey> This makes no sense why the machine can't get hooked up to the network via wifi.
[05:39] <iamsam9895> cents?
[05:39] <dx11101> okay i figured it out
[05:39] <NightBird> iamsam9895, no, there was a '$' infront of that
[05:39] <dx11101> thanks for the help!
[05:39] <iamsam9895> NightBird: Must be a typo
[05:39] <NightBird> that indicates dollars
[05:39] <iamsam9895> lol
[05:39] <NightBird> no....
[05:39] <dx11101> iamsam thx 4 teh helpz
[05:39] <NightBird> though, $10 from ebay
[05:39] <iamsam9895> Still.
[05:39] <iamsam9895> I think I'll head over to my schools computer lab and ask them.
[05:40] <iamsam9895> OR
[05:40] <NightBird> iamsam9895: I saw a copy of windows 3.1 at my schools book store one time for $300
[05:40] <iamsam9895> Oh, I'll just ghost windows off of my other computer.
[05:40] <NightBird> (yeah...)
[05:40] <iamsam9895> I forgot about that.
[05:40] <NightBird> cool
[05:40] <dx11101> windows sucked and still sucks
[05:40] <iamsam9895> But I need my games, man.
[05:41] <iamsam9895> America's army is free, and a good game.
[05:41] <iamsam9895> I'm going for a dual boot.
[05:41] <NightBird> dx11101: yes, but until wine is farther along, it may be a nessesary evil for some people
[05:41] <NightBird> iamsam9895: have you tried America's army using wine?
[05:42] <iamsam9895> NightBird: yes
[05:42] <iamsam9895> NightBird: To no avail.
[05:42] <iamsam9895> NightBird: I get it installed and everything, but it doesn't run.
[05:42] <NightBird> ...hm.... 20gb mp3 player(also supports ogg vorbis and flac, along with several other formats) for $150
[05:42] <dx11101> nobody understands!
[05:42] <NightBird> iamsam9895: have you tried with 0.9.33?
[05:42] <dx11101> YOU DONT WANT WINE TO CONTINUE FARTHER ALONG
[05:42] <iamsam9895> Using that now, Nightbird
[05:43] <NightBird> because there was alot of bug fixes to dx
[05:43] <enzo_> I upgraded my hard drive from 250GB to 500GB. I have hda1 as WinXP, hda5 as SWAP and hda6 as Ext3 (Kubuntu Edgy)
[05:43] <dx11101> you want developers to code opengl not craptastic direct x
[05:43] <enzo_> I can boot into WinXP, but not Kubuntu
[05:43] <sadistic_kitten> what command would I use to find out the size of a dir
[05:43] <dx11101> wine and cedega is only a bandaid
[05:43] <sadistic_kitten> or a file
[05:43] <hackdaddy> join #ruby
[05:43] <NightBird> dx11101: until microsoft runs itself into the ground and out of the OS buisness, wine will have a place
[05:43] <dx11101> yes
[05:44] <dx11101> i agree
[05:44] <NightBird> besides, there is still the legacy apps
[05:44] <dx11101> but its not the longterm solution
[05:45] <hackdaddy> what's the best source editor for Kubuntu?
[05:45] <dx11101> windows vista is the beginning of the end for microsoft
[05:45] <sadistic_kitten> anyone want to help me?
[05:45] <iamsam9895> With?
[05:45] <iamsam9895> oh
[05:45] <sadistic_kitten> what command would I use to find the size of a dir
[05:45] <hackdaddy> dx, how do you see the end of ms??
[05:45] <NightBird> hackdaddy: uh... for what programming language? c? dunno... kdevelop is a popular ide for kde programs...
[05:46] <iamsam9895> Why not rightclick --> properties?
[05:46] <sadistic_kitten> iamsam9895: in the cli
[05:46] <iamsam9895> hmm.
[05:46] <NightBird> hackdaddy: dx11101 is a little anti-microsoft... haven't you noticed?
[05:46] <hackdaddy> ruby, nightbird
[05:46] <NightBird> hackdaddy: well... kdevelop has support for ruby, but you may want to ask in #ruby...
[05:46] <hackdaddy> i like scite on XP when I have to use windows
[05:46] <hackdaddy> thanks
[05:47] <NightBird> hackdaddy: well... scite is avaiable on linux I believe..
[05:47] <dx11101> microsoft is already beginning to lose ground to linux in many sectors including the workstation
[05:47] <NightBird> yes, scite should be available on linux
[05:47] <NightBird> so you can install that
[05:47] <NightBird> if you want to keep on using it
[05:47] <hackdaddy> dx11101, look up "Strategy Tax" in google
[05:48] <hackdaddy> you'll find some interesting info on ms, etc, dx11101
[05:48] <enzo_> When I did a ghose image of my Kubuntu partition, it grew by about 4GB
[05:48] <enzo_> any clues?
[05:48] <NightBird> ...
[05:49] <NightBird> enzo_: we need more than 6 seconds to explain that kind of stuff..
[05:49] <sadistic_kitten> lol
[05:49] <hackdaddy> why should i run Kubuntu vs other linux flavors?  and does it support beryl?  and why do i need beryl?
[05:50] <NightBird> hackdaddy: you can install beryl on kubuntu(in fact, I have it running on my laptop right now)
[05:50] <NightBird> enzo_: we need more than 6 seconds to explain that kind of stuff..
[05:50] <enzo_> Sorry, video card issue
[05:51] <NightBird> and you don't really need beryl, it's just nice to play with the eye candy
[05:51] <enzo_> NightBird: So, you were saying
[05:51] <NightBird> enzo_: how big is the partition
[05:51] <NightBird> because, if it's 4gb, the image of that partition would be... 4gb
[05:51] <enzo_> which partition, there are 3
[05:51] <dx11101> take my advice, the 3d gui's are more trouble then they are worth
[05:51] <NightBird> the one you are taking the image of
[05:51] <dx11101> for mere eye candy
[05:51] <NightBird> dx11101: yes, but they are fun to play with
[05:51] <dx11101> yes
[05:52] <dx11101> i have only messed with xgl and compiz
[05:52] <enzo_> NightBird: well, the original is about 118GB, but now it is 360GB, roughly
[05:52] <dx11101> a little more development and it will be ready
[05:52] <delrey> Can someone please help me?
[05:52] <hackdaddy> i don't see kdevelop in adept?  where is it?
[05:52] <delrey> I've searched for this bugger of a problem for a while now to no avail.
[05:52] <NightBird> enzo_: hm.... well, it compresses the space and the data... but it would seem odd that it's only 4gb..
[05:53] <NightBird> hackdaddy: if you have used SciTE in the past, just download it and use that instead
[05:53] <enzo_> NightBird: It went from 18GB used to 22GB used on the ghost'd image
[05:53] <NightBird> oh, so you gained 4gb?
[05:53] <NightBird> uh... maybe information on physical aspects? *shrugs*
[05:53] <fami> !kaffeine
[05:53] <ubotu> kaffeine: versatile media player for KDE 3. In component main, is optional. Version 0.8.2-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 2160 kB, installed size 5868 kB
[05:54] <NightBird> mmmcaffeine...
[05:54] <NightBird> thats right... I'm going to get a mocha tomorrow...
[05:54] <fami> NightBird: wait
[05:54] <enzo_> NightBird: I wish I knew
[05:54] <NightBird> fami: wait on what?
[05:54] <beta> quick question will amarok change my filenames or structure when i build a collection?
[05:55] <fami> NightBird: need it to play non-free media format
[05:55] <NightBird> fami: then you would need to install some non-free media format decoders
[05:55] <savor> beta: no
[05:56] <beta> thx
[05:56] <fami> NightBird: which for kaffeine? w32...  ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/WindowsCodecs
[05:56] <NightBird> !mp3
[05:56] <beta> had a horrible experience once with itunes changing my whole filenames
[05:56] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:56] <beta> ;)
[05:56] <enzo_> fami: w32codecs
[05:56] <enzo_> NightBird: What do you suggest I do?
[05:56] <dx11101> man linux is sooo awesome
[05:57] <NightBird> since vlc also includes it's own decoders that handles practically every format known to man...
[05:57] <fami> NightBird: vlc needs w32 too?
[05:57] <NightBird> fami, it implements it's own decoders
[05:57] <savor> beta: you should be safe with Amarok.  I'm running 1.4.3 and have ran previous version and my filenames and directory structure all remained intact.
[05:57] <NightBird> I believe it handles most w32 formats...
[05:57] <kristjans> 30 more secs then i have 6.10 kubuntu downloaded, then i install it, and then i get vmware and then i can play games too and my friends won't be scared of linux any more:P
[05:57] <dx11101> install libdvdcss2 before you install vlc
[05:57] <fami> NightBird: oh, is it in repos too? (not in unver.. or multi... repos pls)
[05:57] <NightBird> but!  vlc is likely to be illegal in most places if you don't have permission for those codecs to be installed..
[05:57] <beta> since this the topic right now: would anyone know how to get monkey audio playing?
[05:58] <NightBird> beta: install monkey audio codecs? >_>;
[05:58] <fami> NightBird: with kaffeine, i can to watch but can't hear mpg, avi
[05:59] <NightBird> dx11101: does vlc not auto handle dvd's like that?
[05:59] <NightBird> fami: then... find out what audio format they are using, and install those
[05:59] <SilentDis> hi hi :)
[05:59] <beta> nighbird: yeah its not available via a repos unfortunately it seems...i compiled the source without any errors and checkinstalled
[05:59] <NightBird> that will probably fix that up
[05:59] <dx11101> vlc cannot play commercial dvd's out of the box without libdvdcss2
[05:59] <beta> but it isnet working
[05:59] <dx11101> i think..........
[05:59] <Skuller> dx11101: no...you will ned the libdvd thingy to play commercial dvds
[05:59] <hackdaddy> yeah, scintilla is building
[05:59] <NightBird> beta: it might be in multiverse..
[06:00] <beta> i was really surprised since its free...lossless and all
[06:00] <dx11101> you have to add repos to get libdvdcss because its illegal to play dvd's in linux
[06:00] <SilentDis> dx11101: you are correct.  libdvdcss2 is needed by pretty much every DVD player in linux i've run across.
[06:00] <sadistic_kitten> anyone want to help me?
[06:00] <fami> enzo_: this is enough for kaffeine, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/WindowsCodecs ?
[06:00] <sadistic_kitten> what command would I use to find the size of a dir
[06:00] <beta> maybe im just to dull to come up with the right search term (apt-cache) ;)
[06:01] <NightBird> dx11101: it's not that it's illegal to play dvd's in linux... it's that libdvdcss2 did not pay the people to redistribute the code
[06:01] <enzo_> NightBird: What do you suggest I do about the partition?
[06:01] <NightBird> enzo_: I have no idea
[06:01] <NightBird> is the extra 4 gb a problem?
[06:01] <fami> NightBird: .mpg .avi .dat is non-free format?
[06:01] <NightBird> it might disappear when you apply it to a machine
[06:01] <dx11101> the whole proprietary format game is moot to me, it works anyways so who gives a ****
[06:02] <NightBird> fami: no, but the audio codec they use might be..
[06:02] <enzo_> NightBird: I can't boot into Kubuntu, so I'm saying that it MIGHT be the problem, it might now
[06:02] <enzo_> s/now/not
[06:02] <hackdaddy> what's a good way to intercept the cmd line from the Konsole?
[06:02] <NightBird> .avi, .mpg, .dat, .ogg are just wrappers around different streams of data in various forms of compression..
[06:02] <NightBird> a .avi might have the audio stream in a .mp3 format
[06:03] <NightBird> or as a vorbis, or wav, or one of many other possibilities
[06:03] <fami> oh a wrapper
[06:03] <dx11101> flac/vorbis > ALL
[06:03] <beta> hackdaddy:  you mean stop a running bash command you entered?
[06:03] <dx11101> mp3's can go to hell
[06:03] <Skuller> wheres the OP of this channel?
[06:03] <SilentDis> sadistic_kitten: du will help you find the size of a directory.  some basic info is available here: http://www.codecoffee.com/tipsforlinux/articles/22.html
[06:03] <kristjans> dx: true that :)
[06:03] <NightBird> dx11101: should I get this mp3 player that also supports flac and ogg?  it's $150... 20gb...
[06:04] <hackdaddy> no, get the entries as i type them
[06:04] <dx11101> i think all the jetaudio players support flac
[06:04] <NightBird> (it's a rio karma)
[06:04] <beta> no idea sry
[06:04] <kristjans> i won't be saying anything bad about mp3, it's just getting old
[06:04] <sadistic_kitten> ok cool
[06:04] <mrbigdownlow> hello
[06:04] <fami> ah nice
[06:04] <NightBird> hi mrbigdownlow
[06:05] <mrbigdownlow> how can i change the way i click on everything so its double click not single... i went into mouse and it didnt work for all files
[06:05] <dx11101> whatever you do dont buy and ipod or a zune whatever its called
[06:05] <fami> NightBird: need remove kaffeine before get vlc into?
[06:05] <kristjans> what's wrong with ipod and zune?
[06:05] <NightBird> fami, nah
[06:05] <dx11101> no flac
[06:06] <enzo_> I don't even know what to look for anymore
[06:06] <kristjans> oh
[06:06] <kristjans> okay
[06:06] <kristjans> never had it
[06:06] <kristjans> :P
[06:06] <dx11101> microsoft and apple are anti flac
[06:06] <dx11101> anti vorbis
[06:06] <NightBird> dx11101: sure there is... with the firmware fix...
[06:06] <kristjans> okay, now i know that if i am ever going to get a mp3 player, i am not going to get these
[06:06] <dx11101> warranty void?
[06:06] <mrbigdownlow> i know when i first installed ubuntu then over top all i had to do is go though a wissard but in the version off the cd it doesnt give me a wissard is there a manual way to bring it up
[06:06] <NightBird> dx11101: meh
[06:06] <kristjans> what about ipod + linux?
[06:06] <kristjans> i mean you can install linux on ipod
[06:07] <dx11101> howabout buying something you dont have to reverse engineer to do something simple?
[06:07] <delrey> How can I get a WMP11v4 (pciid: 17fe:2120) to work with a 2WIRE 1000HW on Kubuntu 6.10?
[06:07] <hackdaddy> thanks, dx11101 and nightbird, i got scite built and installed
[06:07] <kristjans> i won't be reverse engineering, i'll be just following a tutorial
[06:07] <dx11101> :D
[06:07] <SilentDis> mrbigdownlow: i assume you mean to choose between single/dbl click, right?  give me a moment, let me find that package...
[06:07] <mrbigdownlow> ok
[06:08] <gdiebel> mrbigdownlow: try going to peripherals/mouse in kcontrol
[06:08] <dx11101> my main issue with proprietary lossless is that you dont have access to the source
[06:08] <enzo_> kristjans: I'm curious about that too, iPod + Linux. I just bought my fiance an iPod and wondered about using it with Kubuntu. She uses WinXP, which is fine, but I use Kubuntu Edgy.
[06:08] <enzo_> Question for all...
[06:08] <mrbigdownlow> gdiebel: hum wheres kcontrol?
[06:08] <dx11101> so in the future if support dissappears it turns into vaporware and you have no support for you archvices
[06:09] <mrbigdownlow> gdiebel: i just installed fresh
[06:09] <enzo_> I have WinXP on HDA1, SWAP on HDA5 and KUBUNTU Edgy Ext3 on HDA6.
[06:09] <kristjans> http://ipodlinuxinstl.sourceforge.net/
[06:09] <Hobbsee> mrbigdownlow: use system settings
[06:09] <enzo_> I can't boot into Kubuntu
[06:09] <enzo_> I can get into WinXP, but not Kubuntu
[06:09] <enzo_> GRUB menu freezes when "loading"
[06:09] <savor> mrbigdownlow: iirc, you need to install it with apt
[06:09] <mrbigdownlow> Hobbsee: i did that
[06:10] <eduard> hello guys, who might know how use wireless card Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03) on HP Pavilionzd8185ea laptop? please
[06:10] <kristjans> http://www.ipodlinux.org/Main_Page
[06:10] <SilentDis> mrbigdownlow: just alt-f2 and type in kcontrol.  can't remember where it puts it in the menu myself either lol
[06:10] <kristjans> restart now
[06:10] <enzo_> I ghost'd an image from my old HDD and gained 4GB on the new image
[06:10] <gdiebel> mrbigdownlow: you can probably find the settings in system settings as well
[06:10] <pollyo> I read that iTunes can run under wine.  I am not sure of the functions that work though...
[06:10] <mike__> i <3 that in linux, you can install an OS without having to reformat
[06:10] <pollyo> Doesn't an iPod connect to the iTunes software?
[06:10] <mrbigdownlow> gdiebel: i did that already and it didnt work
[06:11] <mrbigdownlow> gdiebel: it works for everyhitn in the desktop but not the taskbar
[06:11] <Hobbsee> !wireless | eduard
[06:11] <ubotu> eduard: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:11] <eduard> i am going there
[06:11] <eduard> ths for now ;)
[06:12] <gdiebel> mrbigdownlow: the taskbar is single click. they are buttons
[06:12] <mrbigdownlow> gdiebel: so i cant change the taskbar icons on the right say the update icon and sound?
[06:13] <beta> how can i exclude subfolders when building a collection in amarok
[06:13] <lotusleaf> beta, #amarok
[06:13] <beta> (though scanning recursively)
[06:13] <dx11101> !envy
[06:13] <ubotu> envy is a Python script that eases installation of the official Nvidia and ATI drivers. Please see http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html . Developers may be interested in https://launchpad.net/products/envy - See also !Nvidia
[06:14] <SilentDis> beta: check the folder you want, then expand it, and uncheck the others, i believe.  otherwise, you might have to select all the directories individually.  it's been a while since I needed to do something like that :P
[06:14] <mrbigdownlow> gdiebel: finnal question then what is the command to update kubuntu to 6.10
 what did you wany to say?
[06:14] <SilentDis> !upgrade | mrbigdownlow
[06:14] <ubotu> mrbigdownlow: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[06:14] <eduard> want*
[06:14] <beta> silentdis: unfortunately you cant deslect them...but no problem...stupid question anyways ;)
[06:14] <dx11101> when is the next release of ubuntu happening?
[06:15] <lotusleaf> !release > dx11101
[06:15] <Hobbsee> eduard: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs for bcm stuff
[06:15] <eduard> ok<Hobbsee>
[06:15] <lotusleaf> !feisty > dx11101
[06:15] <dx11101> ohh crap next month
[06:16] <dx11101> is it easy to upgrade?
[06:16] <fami> ah
[06:16] <fami> sorry but which shortcut to open Terminal ? Alt+F2 ?
[06:16] <SilentDis> dx11101: if you're going from edgy > feisty, it should be a few clicks and a download.  from dapper, you have to upgrade to edgy, then feisty.  either way, the instructions will be placed on !upgrade when the time comes :)
[06:17] <dx11101> im in edgy, im a linux noob still so thats why im askin
[06:17] <savor> fami: Alt+F2 brings up the run dialog. not sure what the default is for terminal, I usually set it to Win+T
[06:17] <SilentDis> dx11101: if you're on edgy, it'll be a snap.  your update manager will automatically offer it to you.  expect a ~200+MB download :)
[06:18] <dx11101> my 10+ years being a certified bonified windows gui operator gives me about [this much]  knowledge
[06:18] <savor> fami: Go into system setting -> Keyboard & Mouse and you can set it to whatever you like in the command shortcuts tab
[06:19] <pollyo> What exactly makes up the change?  Is it simply a configuration of software packages or do the ubuntu people program specific portions of the system?
[06:19] <fami> savor: thanks.
[06:19] <savor> np
[06:19] <SilentDis> dx11101: hehe :)  welcome to a true multi-user, multi-threaded os.  welcome to freedom :)
[06:19] <dx11101> im no expert, but id say it has to do with where the debian project is with its builds and the condition of ubuntu packages
[06:20] <SilentDis> pollyo: what change are you refering to, the various ubuntu releases?
[06:20] <pollyo> SilentDis: Yes
[06:21] <dx11101> i bought the book, "The Debian System" im on page 99 w00t
[06:21] <dx11101> then i get my Linux+ cert
[06:21] <dx11101> when i get the linux+ book........
[06:21] <SilentDis> pollyo: each new release of *ubuntu packages the latest software from the kernel, x.org client/server, windows manager, desktop environment, office apps, and other apps.  puts them all together into a nice, neat package that's supposed to be easy to use, and 'flows' well
[06:22] <dx11101> in other words
[06:23] <SilentDis> pollyo: they pull from the general FOSS community, as well as debian, and push updates upstream, etc.  the idea is "It Just Works (tm)", and you get regular predictable updates to the latest stuff.
[06:23] <dx11101> yeah
[06:23] <dx11101> dont the pull from the debian sid, or experimental builds or something
[06:24] <dx11101> or is it testing?
[06:24] <dx11101> because debian stable is always old old old stuff
[06:24] <SilentDis> pollyo: basically, rather than watching and waiting for app x, app y, window manager z, and so forth and making sure they're all latest versions by hand, ubuntu does it for you.  (a VERY generalized example)
[06:25] <pollyo> SilentDis: Thanks.
[06:25] <SilentDis> dx11101: they pull from all over.  sid and experimental are prime targets, of course, as the packages are mostly 'done' to work on a debian-based system.
[06:25] <dx11101> from my understanding, if you want mission critical servers and stuff, you run vanila debian, if you want leading edge you run ubuntu
[06:25] <pollyo> Any idea why some packages say something like BREAK when you go to install them?
[06:25] <SilentDis> pollyo: could you give an example?
[06:26] <pollyo> SildentDis: When you are in Adept and go to install a package sometimes it comes up in read and says BREAK ... I think that is the word it uses.
[06:27] <dx11101> BREAK sounds like some seriously cryptic debugging code
[06:27] <lahcen007> hi guys,
[06:27] <SilentDis> dx11101: i wouldn't say "if you want leading edge you go ubuntu", as debian unstable has many of the packages.  if you want a very stable system that's spit and polished and pre-packaged for conveniance, that's where ubuntu fits in :)
[06:28] <dx11101> i stand corrected :D
[06:28] <lahcen007> whenever i run kxdocker and run the mouse over it, there is a black background covering the whole qtsubapplication area, do you know how to fix that?
[06:29] <dx11101> is there something better then xmms that isnt as bulking as amorak?
[06:30] <lahcen007> so, no solution to my kxdocker problem,
[06:30] <lahcen007> ??
[06:30] <pollyo> Does the Live DVD install more packages then the CD version?
[06:30] <SilentDis> lahcen007: researching, never herd of that app
[06:30] <lahcen007> because i did uninstalled, and install like 3 times and nothing happened
[06:30] <SilentDis> !kxdocker
[06:30] <ubotu> kxdocker: innovative docker for KDE that is like Mac OSX Docker. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.4a-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 327 kB, installed size 1064 kB
[06:31] <sdlnxgk> anyone around??
[06:31] <SilentDis> lahcen007: are you running a composite window manager?
[06:31] <lahcen007> yes
[06:31] <SilentDis> sdlnxgk: nope, we all left.  *shuts off lights* *hides behind counter* *giggle*
[06:32] <sdlnxgk> just loaded edgy and can't use konsole  to edit fstab is this normal??? and root files don't show up anymore to view... did something change??
[06:32] <sdlnxgk> SiletDis that would be my luck tonight ;)
[06:33] <SilentDis> sdlnxgk: hmm... did you try using a root konsole?  did you try just prefacing your command with sudo?  did you try dropping to a root shell (sudo -i)?
[06:33] <dx11101> how high up on the popularity totem pole in ubuntu?
[06:33] <sdlnxgk> yes tried using root and it will not let me insert just keeps beeping
[06:33] <sdlnxgk> I would say it's right at the top of the pole !!!
[06:33] <dx11101> root is disabled by default in kubuntu
[06:33] <sdlnxgk> that is my .02 cents
[06:34] <SilentDis> lahcen007: check the homepage, that's where I am right now gleaning info: http://www.xiaprojects.com/www/prodotti/kxdocker/main.php
[06:34] <fami> cya
[06:34] <dx11101> you have to change somehting somewhere in kde to login as root
[06:34] <dx11101> i think,....
[06:34] <mike__> all you have to do to get root is 'sudo su -'
[06:34] <Hasrat_USA> dx11101: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHAdVv6KFJc << M'ho munto amb l'Ubuntu :-)
[06:34] <dx11101> i did it like 2 months ago
[06:34] <lahcen007> just to double check, where do you if compsite is on?
[06:34] <lahcen007> i checked that SlientDis
[06:35] <lahcen007> I even tried the patch they offer, but no luck
[06:35] <SilentDis> sdlnxgk: walk me through command by command, what you did to try to edit /etc/fstab please.  i must be missing something hehe :)
[06:35] <sdlnxgk> I just changed use as on kate and then edited fstab that way
[06:35] <SilentDis> sdlnxgk: try this instead:  open up a term, and type sudo nano /etc/fstab
[06:36] <seven11> i need help with genview plug in for creating slideshow mpg i get the massage Cannot find 'identify' binary program from ImageMagick package. Please install it. ????? somebody know....
[06:36] <Hasrat_USA> dx11101: you like it? :)
[06:36] <SilentDis> sdlnxgk: it's not as pretty, but nano is very easy to use, and does the whole auto backup thing :)
[06:36] <dx11101> i dont have a youtube login
[06:36] <sdlnxgk> opened root console> sudo su > cd /etc> vi fstab   then hit the insert key but just beeped at me and the arrow keys were putting letters down on the screen..
[06:36] <dx11101> why is it 18+?
[06:37] <Hasrat_USA> just click on 'confirm;
[06:37] <Hasrat_USA> i dont know
[06:37] <Hasrat_USA> oh crap you dont? lol
[06:38] <SilentDis> lahcen007: I'd say check their official IRC channel.  Server: irc.azzurra.net channel: #kxdocker
[06:38] <sdlnxgk> works great using nano :)
[06:38] <sdlnxgk> but never used nano before how do you save it...
[06:39] <sdlnxgk> I can exit but not sure how to save
[06:39] <kouran> ctrl+x
[06:39] <SilentDis> sdlnxgk: ctrl-x, it'll prompt to save
[06:39] <kouran> asks you to save, press y, enter
[06:39] <lahcen007> thanx SilentDis\
[06:39] <SilentDis> lahcen007: sorry i wasn't more help.  always good to hit up the 'official' places though :)
[06:39] <sdlnxgk> I got it ctr+o :)
[06:40] <sdlnxgk> thanks SilentDis
[06:40] <sdlnxgk> is anyone else having issues  with the normal konsole editing stuff??
[06:40] <lahcen007> thanx tho
[06:40] <SilentDis> sdlnxgk: nt.  you know, in all my time using various *nix, i've NEVER gotten used to using vi and vim.  i always end up muddling my way through it... just barely lol
[06:41] <sdlnxgk> that is all I used to use :)
[06:41] <sdlnxgk> guess it's time to learn something new
[06:42] <Orange1> whats the kde equivilant of a calender / appointment  program?
[06:42] <sdlnxgk> SilentDis what is up with  viewing  stuff in " / " in the file browser everything is hidden now??
[06:42] <Skuller> Orange1: kontact?
[06:42] <makki>
[06:42] <Orange1> hmm
[06:42] <makki>
[06:42] <Skuller> !urdu
[06:42] <makki>
[06:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about urdu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:42] <lahcen007> wa 3alaikom asallam ya maki
[06:42] <Hasrat_USA> lol are you taking a quiz orange?
[06:43] <makki>
[06:43] <SilentDis> sdlnxgk: yeah, by default konqueror hides stuff.  gatta go View > Show Hidden :P
[06:43] <lahcen007> makki speaks urdu too , nice!
[06:43] <SilentDis> makki: language?
[06:43] <Hasrat_USA> wtf is this arabian camel sheet?
[06:43] <sdlnxgk> SilentDis is that something new for Edgy???
[06:43] <Skuller> umm cant makki chat in english at all?
[06:43] <makki>
[06:43] <Orange1> Skuller: thanks
[06:43] <Skuller> np
[06:44] <makki>
[06:44] <SilentDis> !wft | Hasrat_USA
[06:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wft - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:44] <SilentDis> aargh, lol
[06:44] <Orange1> burned.
[06:44] <Skuller> is there no urdu channel?
[06:44] <Skuller> !ur
[06:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ur - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:44] <makki>
[06:44] <lahcen007> is there an arabic channel?
[06:45] <SilentDis> Hasrat_USA: it's not polite to refer to other's native languages as such.  it's best, instead, to refer to the proper channel for help :)
[06:45] <Skuller> !arabic
[06:45] <ubotu> For the Arabic language or Saudi Arabia you are invited to join     #ubuntu-sa
[06:45] <Skuller> ahh
[06:45] <Skuller> !arabic | makki
[06:45] <ubotu> makki: please see above
[06:45] <Orange1> lol
[06:45] <Orange1> theres no1 there
[06:45] <SilentDis> Skuller: thank you, i was stuck on trying to remember the 2-letter code myself lol
[06:45] <Orange1> thats just mean Skuller
[06:45] <Skuller> lol
[06:46] <Skuller> damn...its only makki in the arabic channel
[06:47] <SilentDis> sdlnxgk: i couldn't tell you if it's 'something new' in edgy, as I only just started using kde with edgy myself.  I was a gnome user in dapper and for quite a while in edgy.  I'm warming up to it now though :)
[06:47] <makki> no arabic or urdu channel
[06:47] <makki> sad
[06:47] <makki> i m going
[06:48] <SilentDis> sorry makki :(
[06:48] <Orange1> Skuller: i can only imagine hes having trouble enabling english on his OS after messing around and changing it to arabic
[06:48] <Orange1> oo he can speak english
[06:48] <makki> no Problem i eill try later
[06:48] <Skuller> hehe yea he can
[06:49] <makki> broken english only
[06:49] <Skuller> ohh
[06:49] <Orange1> makki:  if u understand even a lil - im sure u can get some sort of help
[06:49] <Skuller> now i know why english is so important to know even if its not the most spoken language
[06:49] <lahcen007> makki, i speak arabic
[06:49] <makki>
[06:49] <Orange1> or that works too.
[06:50] <makki>
[06:50] <makki>
[06:50] <lahcen007> la, ma aktub 3arabi!
[06:50] <lahcen007> ma fi mushkila!
[06:50] <makki>
[06:50] <Skuller> umm luks like you dont write arabic...is it?
[06:50] <Orange1> lol - is he messing with makki?
[06:51] <lahcen007> no i don't, but i hope he understand the englishised arabic,
[06:51] <Skuller> lol...no idea...but i dont know what to interpret from the !
[06:51] <Skuller> yea hope so
[06:51] <hackdaddy> hi aaron
[06:51] <Hasrat_USA> vista is an arabian word
[06:51] <lahcen007> sho hiya el mushkila ya makki?
[06:52] <makki> aataqel la yumkin liaahad musaadati
[06:52] <Orange1> Skuller: is Kontact the only program?
[06:52] <Skuller> Orange1: its the only one i know since it came with a base kubuntu install
[06:52] <Hasrat_USA> ya akbaru vista fuct upppa :)
[06:52] <lahcen007> anta aidan,
[06:52] <hackdaddy> bungko eebee poohay! binkie flardo! yah!
[06:52] <Orange1> i want to write down when/what days i work-- keep a record
[06:52] <Skuller> lahcen007: you just asked him his problem dint ya....mushkila...
[06:53] <lahcen007> i asked him what the prob is! yes
[06:53] <Orange1> i need to plan a budget and prepare for a 50 day vacation to carribbean
[06:53] <Skuller> Orange1: sorry i cant help you there....:(
[06:53] <lahcen007> can we get into a private room, makki?
[06:54] <Orange1> go to ubuntu-sa ? or was it kubuntu-sa
[06:54] <lahcen007> fina nedkhul ila ghurfa khasa?
[06:55] <lahcen007> finak ya makki?
[06:55] <sdlnxgk> nv video drivers just stopped and put me in 800x600 :( gotta fix it !!
[06:55] <Skuller> lahcen007: just open up a private chat session with him..../msg makki
[06:55] <lahcen007> it won't open, it says it has been restricted!
[06:56] <Skuller> lahcen007: are you registered?
[06:56] <delrey> I got everything to work on my wireless card just as it works on another machine in the house (both wifi cards connect to the AP), but I can't get this one to dhclient properly.
[06:56] <delrey> Can someone _please_ help?
[06:56] <lahcen007> skuller: no ia m not!
[06:56] <Skuller> lahcen007: then do so..../msg nickserv register "password"
[06:57] <lahcen007> how do i register?
[06:57] <kouran> what do i need to do to enable wpa?
[06:57] <sdlnxgk> delray never got my wireless working with linux yet..
[06:57] <kouran> it only gives me a wep option
[06:57] <Skuller> !register | lahcen007
[06:57] <ubotu> lahcen007: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[06:58] <delrey> I'm trying to get WEP access + DHCP to work with a WMP11v4 Linksys card
[06:58] <kouran> im using wpa, but i only get a wep option? how do i get wpa?
[07:01] <kouran> anyone?
[07:01] <Orange1> Skuller: how do i make this irc client save any msgs with my name on it - cuz sometimes ppl msg me in this channel but the msg is gone cuz too much text scrolled it away by the time i get back
[07:01] <Orange1> Skuller: using Konversation
[07:03] <Skuller> Orange1: the logs are auto created in /home/username/.kde/share/apps/konversation/logs
[07:05] <bdb> where would i put my own iptables rules ?
[07:05] <Skuller> Orange1: if it is disabled you can enable it in Settings-->configure konversation-->behaviour-->logging-->'check enable logging'
[07:07] <Orange1> Skuller: tx
[07:07] <Skuller> Orange1: np
[07:08] <bdb> yo ?
[07:08] <bdb> yo
[07:08] <bdb> opps
[07:08] <bdb> iptables ?
[07:11] <enzo_> Does Kubuntu Edgy have an issue reading a 500GB hdd?
[07:12] <Skuller> enzo_: shouldnt.....try google
[07:12] <enzo_> Skuller: It's a bigger issue than the 500GB
[07:12] <chin2> dudde
[07:12] <chin2> somone wak eup
[07:12] <Skuller> enzo_: ??
[07:12] <enzo_> I can't get GRUB to load from a ghost'd hdd
[07:12] <chin2> where do i put iptables rules
[07:13] <chin2> i know you guys have a place for it
[07:13] <Skuller> enzo_: k sorry...no idea....hope someone else helps
[07:13] <enzo_> Skuller: Many have tried and I've come up with blanks
[07:14] <Skuller> enzo_: :(
[07:14] <enzo_> It just freezes when it says "GRUB is loading..."
[07:14] <enzo_> Instead of using Norton Ghost, I'm using Partition Magic
[07:14] <enzo_> It's strange because I gained 4GB on the new image
[07:15] <Skuller> enzo_: you mean you are using a back up soft on the hdd while dual booting?
[07:15] <enzo_> I'm not gaining/losing anything with Partition Magic doing the "Copy Partition" feature
[07:15] <enzo_> I had 250GB hdd
[07:15] <losdog> well hello. this is my first day on a new ubuntu install
[07:15] <enzo_> hda1 is winxp, hda5 is swap, hda6 Ext3
[07:15] <enzo_> I upgraded to 500GB hdd
[07:15] <enzo_> I used ghost to copy EVERYTHING over
[07:16] <enzo_> somehow I gained 4GB with the ghost of Kubuntu Edgy
[07:16] <chin2> yo this chqt room sucks ass
[07:16] <Skuller> enzo_: hope this gives an idea.....but i tried installing norton GoBack and it wudnt let me...just coz i was dual booting...i think theres something about it that doesnt let thses softs work properly
[07:16] <enzo_> Skuller: I really hope its something as simple as me doing something wrong
[07:16] <enzo_> AND
[07:17] <hackdaddy> why does "su" not take my password?
[07:17] <Skuller> enzo_: so according to me your best bet would be start over from scratch and NOT use any imaging/ghosting soft
[07:17] <Alpha_Cluster> hackdaddy: you have to use sudo su - to get root
[07:17] <enzo_> I've tried to reinstall GRUB using Super GRUB Disk. Nothing. Freezes when trying to find /boot/grub/stage1
[07:17] <Skuller> losdog: welcome to the world of ubuntu/kubuntu
[07:17] <hackdaddy> thanks alpha!!!
[07:17] <Alpha_Cluster> np
[07:17] <enzo_> Skuller: I was actually thinking about doing that if all else fails
[07:18] <Skuller> enzo_: you could try removing the ghosting program and try to install the GRUB once more
[07:18] <Orange1> losdog: welcome! - if you have any questions just ask. Don't ask to ask.
[07:18] <enzo_> I was also thinking that it might have something to do with the change of the allocated space for Kubuntu. I expanded it to use the remainder of the drive
[07:18] <losdog> i installed the kubuntu package and it doesnt look any different and how do i get xgl/compiz
[07:19] <enzo_> losdog: Check out Beryl
[07:19] <Skuller> enzo_: well the partition gurus would be able to comment on that
[07:19] <enzo_> Skuller: and they are...?
[07:19] <enzo_> Skuller: and who are they?
[07:19] <Orange1> enzo_: probably sleeping
[07:19] <Skuller> enzo_: the 'whos who' people would be able to know that
[07:19] <enzo_> intelikey?
[07:19] <enzo_> Hobbsee?
[07:19] <Skuller> yea...true that...prolly away or sleeping
[07:20] <Skuller> yes i wudnt doubt any of them
[07:20] <enzo_> I like intelikey's patience with me :P
[07:20] <losdog> bery?
[07:20] <enzo_> I bug him quite a bit
[07:20] <enzo_> losdog: beryl
[07:20] <Skuller> hehe
[07:20] <Skuller> hes quie patient
[07:20] <enzo_> !beryl | losdog
[07:20] <ubotu> losdog: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[07:21] <enzo_> Skuller: 93% completed
[07:21] <enzo_> Skuller: Lets see if I can get this working