[00:44] <claydoh> ScottK: thanks for the bug and tray applet
[00:46] <claydoh> ScottK: thanks for the bug and tray applet
[00:47] <claydoh> I am soo busy at work, I won't be able to get a lot done in a writeup till tuesday, a had a hard lock runnig a vm or (more likely) accidentally running akonadi while virtualbox was running did the trick, then I went to bed :(
[00:56] <ScottK> afiestas: If we can get testing on an updated snapshot in Kubuntu today was can probably get an upload in late Sunday.
[01:08] <afiestas> ScottK: have you read the email I sent?
[01:11] <ScottK> afiestas: I did.
[01:12] <ScottK> afiestas: If we are going to update, then we need to get the snapshot packaged and tested very soon.
[04:05] <CIA-130> [kdelibs] Jonathan Thomas<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/ (3 files in 2 dirs) Add kubuntu_fix_kextendableitemdelegate_crash.diff from upstream (Commit fc923ff9 to the 4.7 branch) to fix a crash visible in Muon.
[04:06] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Are you uploading that then?
[04:06] <JontheEchidna> yep
[04:06] <ScottK> OK.  I'll stay awake long enough to accept it.
[04:08] <JontheEchidna> thanks
[04:18] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Accepted.  Thanks.
[11:03] <shadeslayer> \o
[11:06] <yofel> morning
[11:28] <allee> yofel: morning
[11:28] <allee> shadeslayer: o/
[11:29] <allee> my morning was not so good:  I tried to use kdepim.   So far a failure. even with a newly created account
[11:30] <allee> Is it only me, but for a new user first login seem to succeed, then kdm greeter appears.
[11:32] <yofel> allee: natty + 4.? or oneiric?
[11:32] <allee> kbuildsycoca4(8936) KBuildServiceFactory::createEntry: Invalid Service :  "/usr/share/applications/kde4/koffice.desktop"
[11:32] <allee> kbuildsycoca4(8936) KConfigGroup::readXdgListEntry: List entry Categories in "/usr/share/applications/kde4/bluedevil-network-panu.desktop" is not compliant with XDG standard (missing trailing semicolon).
[11:32] <allee> kbuildsycoca4(8936) KConfigGroup::readXdgListEntry: List entry Categories in "/usr/share/applications/im-switch.desktop" is not compliant with XDG standard (missing trailing semicolon).
[11:32] <allee> "KConfigIni: In file /tmp/kde-pim-test/kconf_updatehX8937.tmp, line 1: " Invalid entry (missing '=')
[11:32] <allee> QDBusObjectPath: invalid path ""
[11:32] <allee> QObject::connect: Cannot connect (null)::deviceFound(Device*) to BlueDevilDaemon::deviceFound(Device*)
[11:32] <allee> QObject::connect: Cannot connect QTimer::timeout() to (null)::stopDiscovery()
[11:32] <allee> kded(8935) LayoutMemoryPersister::restoreFromFile: Failed to open layout memory xml file for reading "/home/pim-test/.kde/share/apps/kded/session/keyboard/layout_memory.xml" error: 5
[11:32] <allee> Connecting to deprecated signal QDBusConnectionInterface::serviceOwnerChanged(QString,QString,QString)
[11:32] <allee> Object::connect: No such slot NetworkManagementService::finishInitialization()
[11:32] <allee> Object::connect: No such signal QDBusAbstractInterface::Changed()
[11:33] <allee> QDBusConnection: name 'org.kde.kglobalaccel' had owner '' but we thought it was ':1.11'
[11:33] <allee> QPixmap::handle(): Pixmap is not an X11 class pixmap
[11:33] <allee> kded4: Fatal IO error: client killed
[11:33] <allee> kglobalaccel: Fatal IO error: client killed
[11:33] <allee> kdeinit4: Fatal IO error: client killed
[11:33] <allee> kdeinit4: sending SIGHUP to children.
[11:33] <allee> Qt-subapplication: Fatal IO error: client killed
[11:33] <allee> klauncher: Exiting on signal 1
[11:33] <allee> kdeinit4: Fatal IO error: client killed
[11:33] <allee> kdeinit4: sending SIGHUP to children.
[11:33] <yofel> a) pastebin please... b) o.O
[11:33] <allee> upps. sorry.  Whated to paste the url not the content
[11:33] <allee> yofel: oneiric.  Last update 3 hours ago
[11:33] <allee> I know :(
[11:33] <yofel> hm, I just logged in on updated oneiric fine
[11:34] <yofel> not a new user though
[11:34] <allee> http://paste.ubuntu.com/700989/
[11:34] <allee> yofel: after updates the logout after 10 sec append also my existing user.
[11:35] <allee> but there I blamed the update.
[11:36]  * allee looks into the login failure probem ...
[11:38] <allee> afiestas: FYI bluedevil-network-{dun,panu}.desktop files somewhere miss a ';'  (see your .xsession error ;)
[11:42] <yofel> okaaaay...
[11:42]  * allee votes for an alternative shortcut  for copy, cut and paste:    ctrl-shift-{p,x,v}  as used by konsole.
[11:43] <yofel> I just tried to open firefox and got logged out o.O
[11:43] <yofel> hehe
[11:44] <yofel> hm...
[11:45] <yofel> Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module"
[11:45] <yofel> kded4: Fatal IO error: client killed
[11:45] <yofel> o.O
[11:49] <yofel> installed libcanberra-gtk-module again and no crash so far
[11:51] <yofel> but it missing causing a crash in kded is ridiculous
[11:53] <allee> yofel: Firefox works here and the libcan..module is not installed.  So it's (non-standard) a kded service that crashes?
[11:53] <allee> nevertheless.   Definitely a pkg is missing a Depends: .. libcanberra-gtk-module
[11:54] <yofel> well, firefox should recommend it I think as it's not really required
[12:38]  * yofel goes searching for some missing icons - bug 823830 and bug 830447
[12:38] <yofel> they're missing in oneric too
[12:48] <apachelogger> ScottK: how does lowfat relate to an activity?
[12:49] <apachelogger> doubtlessly one acitivity can have less mem consumption than another acitivity but one can also have less mem consumption without an acitvity
[12:50] <apachelogger> that is to say ... low fat has a wider scope than what the activity paradigm actual represents
[13:06] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Can you check if kffmpegthumbnailer works in Dolphin?
[13:07] <Quintasan> KDE needs some video thumbnailer inside
[13:09] <apachelogger> check the channle logs
[13:10] <yofel> what the F****
[13:11] <Quintasan> apachelogger: For what? kffmpegthumbnailer? How long ago was that
[13:11] <apachelogger> for talk about the thumbnailer business
[13:11] <Quintasan> yofel: Sup?
[13:11] <yofel> I enabled kffmpegthumbnailer in dolpin, clicked on apply and the color scheme for all already opened windows changed o.O
[13:11] <yofel> natty + 4.7
[13:12] <Quintasan> yofel: It works?
[13:12] <yofel> it didn't change the setting though, new windows have the right colors, only the widows that are already open changed...
[13:12] <yofel> it does in natty, lemme try to find something on my eeePC to test...
[13:14] <apachelogger> prn
[13:14]  * Quintasan looks @ log and finds nothing
[13:14] <yofel> log from quite a while ago
[13:14] <Quintasan> Ah
[13:17] <yofel> Quintasan: WFM on oneiric
[13:17] <Quintasan> Cool
[13:17] <Quintasan> Then it's just broken here
[13:17] <Quintasan> oh btw
[13:18] <Quintasan> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/129535 <--- do you have those packages holded by apt as well?
[13:18] <yofel> no
[13:18] <Quintasan> hmm
[13:18] <Quintasan> Ah
[13:18] <Quintasan> ninjas were uncommented
[13:19] <Quintasan> Doesnt change a thing
[13:19] <Quintasan> wtf
[13:21] <yofel> Quintasan: can you either use aptitude (if you don't use multiarch), or: apt-get dist-upgrade -u -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true
[13:22] <Quintasan> It pulls a shitload of :i386 packages
[13:22] <Quintasan> let's see if it works
[13:22] <Quintasan> yofel: If I am not back soon then something has failed :P
[13:43] <ScottK> apachelogger: It could be, but from the sounds of the upstream discussion on the future of power management, it seemed like another way to do it.
[13:56] <apachelogger> I haven't read the discussion ... but it is essentially the same thing with scope ... except that an activity can influence the policy for pm
[13:57] <apachelogger> such as no-screen of when on mediacenter activity
[13:57] <apachelogger> s/of/off
[14:01] <afiestas> apachelogger:  ScottK: long story short about power management: only a feature used by 0.0001% is going to be moved somewhere else
[14:04]  * yofel goes upgrading his desktop to oneiric
[14:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: pingpingpng
[14:53] <shadeslayer> pong pong ponh
[14:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: uds on ios?!
[14:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: haven't had the time to set up everything yet @_@
[14:53] <apachelogger> -.-
[14:54] <shadeslayer> lemme start cloning Qt ... something thats going to take forever
[14:55] <apachelogger> you don't have a clone around?
[14:55] <shadeslayer> nope
[14:55] <shadeslayer> haven't had the need for one till now
[14:55] <apachelogger> oh my
[14:56] <shadeslayer> oh one sec
[14:56] <shadeslayer> lemme see if i can copy stuff from the other user
[14:57] <shadeslayer> nope, no Qt clones
[14:58] <shadeslayer> cloning started, wait for ... 3 days before it completes :P
[14:58] <shadeslayer> brr
[14:59] <shadeslayer> I'm pretty sure my ISP will log me out at 11 PM
[15:00] <bulldog98_> shadeslayer: maybe apachelogger should send you a DVD with the Repro on it :P
[15:00] <shadeslayer> that would probably be faster :P
[15:00] <shadeslayer> O_O ... 2 % done already
[15:00] <shadeslayer> ok, there's some home
[15:00] <shadeslayer> *hope
[15:00] <bambee> morning
[15:09] <apachelogger> bulldog98_: I do not think my clone fits on a DVD :P
[15:10]  * apachelogger has like 3000 remotes and a bazillion branches
[15:10] <bulldog98_> apachelogger: but you could clone qt for shadeslayer and burn it, it would still be faster :P
[15:11] <apachelogger> indeed
[15:17] <shadeslayer> i have to download xcode as well after this :S
[15:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: maybe you should have started with downloads that weekend you said you were going to then...
[15:20] <shadeslayer> it slipped my mind
[15:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I should have everything setup by tomorrow probably
[15:23] <shadeslayer> if everything goes as planned
[15:25] <shadeslayer> bwahahaha : http://cl.ly/2E3P3W2y1A0G3S1S3e1O
[15:41] <apachelogger> not even qtsdk with all toolchains is that fat
[15:43] <apachelogger> did I already ask what features a mobile uds app could use?
[15:43] <bulldog98_> apachelogger: show the way to the next food shop?
[15:44] <apachelogger> already there
[15:44] <apachelogger> sorta
[15:44] <apachelogger> that is what the map tab is for
[15:44] <bulldog98_> apachelogger: show pics of the people in an session?
[15:45] <apachelogger> bulldog98_: pics?
[15:45] <apachelogger> like launchpad user mugshots?
[15:45] <bulldog98_> yep
[15:45] <apachelogger> hmmm
[15:45] <apachelogger> might only be possible in the next version, once we switch to the rest api
[15:46] <bulldog98> showing partys etc
[15:47] <apachelogger> oh, we got that already
[15:47] <apachelogger> parties are in the regular schedule
[15:48] <apachelogger> might be worth to show them collectively somewhere
[15:53]  * apachelogger wonders if soyuz is still being developed or if OBS is now getting integrated
[15:53] <apachelogger> I think no bug I ever filed against launchpad was ever fixed :(
[15:57] <yofel> uh... they aren't integrating OBS, or else there wouldn't be that many bugs
[15:58] <apachelogger> well
[15:59] <apachelogger> as I said so many times, integrations OBS into launchpad and improve its debian support would be a worthwhile investment
[16:16] <shadeslayer> 61 % cloning done
[16:30] <shadeslayer> I'm guessing KDE 4.7.2 will be SRU'd ?
[16:31] <apachelogger> yeah
[16:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: if you package it
[16:31] <apachelogger> yofel: can you get packaging staretd please
[16:31] <shadeslayer> will probably start tomorrow
[16:31] <shadeslayer> have to prepare a presentation right now
[16:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: your iOS stuff is eating up all my bandwidth anyway :P
[16:32] <apachelogger> "influence of the prn industry on adoption of new technologies in the market"?
[16:32] <shadeslayer> "influence of the prn industry on adoption of new OSS technologies in the market"
[16:33] <apachelogger> ic
[16:33] <shadeslayer> and something about the PIC microcontrollre
[16:33] <shadeslayer> *microcontroller
[16:34] <apachelogger> that sounds a tad boring
[16:35] <shadeslayer> it is
[16:41] <nigelb> apachelogger: oye
[16:41] <nigelb> launchpad isn't *that* bad:)
[16:41] <yofel> apachelogger: wth is that?
[16:42] <yofel> nigelb: do you really want my bug list? ^^
[16:42] <apachelogger> nigelb: comparing soyuz to OBS I'd say there is a 1000% difference in usefulness
[16:42]  * yofel loves the realtime buildlog on OBS...
[16:42] <nigelb> apachelogger: soyuz sucks, everyone knows. But launchpad itself isn't that bad.
[16:42] <nigelb> I like the bug tracker.
[16:43] <yofel> well ok, malone I can live with
[16:43] <apachelogger> well, it is much to big a piece of software IMHO
[16:43] <yofel> but soyuz and the source imports tend to annoy me
[16:43] <nigelb> soyuz annoys everyone, sadly.
[16:43] <yofel> since I manage to hit a bug at least once a month
[16:43] <apachelogger> like the entire blueprint system could be canned as it does not nearly life up to its potential
[16:44] <nigelb> well, blueprints are getting killed soon.
[16:44] <yofel> nigelb: is there a replacements for the todo lists?
[16:44] <apachelogger> so what features are left...
[16:44] <yofel> *replacement
[16:44] <apachelogger> projects which is really just a gateway feature
[16:45] <apachelogger> then you got code which wants you to use bzr if you want to use lunchpad
[16:45] <nigelb> yofel: Its getting some sort of merge with bugs
[16:45] <apachelogger> and malone, which quite frankly might be the most useful part of launchpad to begin with
[16:45] <yofel> nigelb: ok, that actually sounds somewhat reasonable
[16:46] <yofel> answers.launchpad.net isn't that bad either
[16:46] <apachelogger> a merge would supposedly also kill quite some wishlist items on malone WRT dep tracking between bugs
[16:46] <apachelogger> which is one feature I *really* miss
[16:47] <yofel> hm, version tracking ala bugs.debian.org style is something I miss
[16:47] <apachelogger> you really cannot track complicated stuff in malone right now
[16:47] <apachelogger> or if you try it would lead to a misrepresentation of reality
[16:47] <apachelogger> like you have one bug affect 5 packages, even though they form indivdual steps to resolve a super bug
[16:48] <apachelogger> yofel: answers also doesn't life up to its potential
[16:48] <apachelogger> plus underused
[16:48] <apachelogger> plus essentially deprecated by askubuntu
[16:48] <yofel> hm, true
[16:48] <nigelb> well, answers for *ubuntu* probably is deprecated
[16:48]  * apachelogger is someone who likes to trim software if work force does not suffice anyway ^^
[16:48] <nigelb> but not for other proejcts
[16:48] <apachelogger> so I am very biased here
[16:49] <nigelb> heh
[16:49] <nigelb> apachelogger: did you finish the uds app?
[16:49] <yofel> apachelogger: back on topic, what's staretd?
[16:49] <apachelogger> nigelb: which leads back to the problem that answers is very underdeveloped and if you actually need such a solution you would be turning somewhere else
[16:50] <apachelogger> yofel: you should prepare for 4.7.2
[16:50] <apachelogger> wiki page, get the people and stuff
[16:50] <apachelogger> tars are up I hear
[16:50] <yofel> oh right
[16:50] <yofel> I'll have dinner now, but I can do the wiki stuff before that
[16:50] <apachelogger> nigelb: no, I am still waiting on a UI design from rbelem
[16:51] <apachelogger> non-ui is pretty much in line though for first release
[16:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: qt cloned \o/
[16:52] <apachelogger> yay
[16:52] <apachelogger> get cracking
[16:52] <yofel> oh fun, dirk is already having problems ^^
[16:52] <apachelogger> eh
[16:52] <apachelogger> building
[16:52] <shadeslayer> heh
[16:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: nope, still downloading xcode
[16:52] <apachelogger> yofel: that is because he is using inferior release scripting :P
[16:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you can build qt without xcode, no?
[16:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: nope, xcode installs the compiler and everything iirc
[16:54] <apachelogger> what a drag
[16:55] <shadeslayer> :P
[16:55] <shadeslayer> 8 Hours remaining
[16:55] <apachelogger> good lord
[16:57] <shadeslayer> hehe :)
[16:58] <yofel> you should've probably cloned it on my server, tarred and xz -9 -ed it, and sftpd that
[16:58] <apachelogger> yofel has a point there
[16:58] <apachelogger> also http should start compressing everything with xz :P
[16:58] <shadeslayer> well, why didn't apachelogger think of that before
[16:59]  * apachelogger does not think of silly distributors shipping stuff that is not distributed in sane manner
[16:59] <apachelogger> that sentence was all sorts of confusing
[16:59] <shadeslayer> wtf
[16:59] <shadeslayer> 1 Day remaining
[16:59]  * yofel notes that plymouth + nouveau is still broken in oneiric after  upgrading
[16:59] <shadeslayer> 2 days now -.-
[17:01] <yofel> off for dinner, bbiab
[17:01] <apachelogger> is that apple's server being crap?
[17:01] <apachelogger> you might really go through yofel, surely his speed is less influenced by thousends of software patent supporters
[17:02] <shadeslayer> nope, it's because jenkins started a build on my server
[17:03] <apachelogger> that does not compute
[17:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://build.kde.org/job/kdepim-runtime-test/
[17:03] <apachelogger> why does a build make your download take longer?!
[17:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it clones repos and sync's everything
[17:04] <shadeslayer> with the master node
[17:04] <apachelogger> it does new clones everytime? :O
[17:04] <apachelogger> oh oho h
[17:04] <apachelogger> actually
[17:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that is distributed?
[17:04] <shadeslayer> no, it updates it and everything
[17:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yus
[17:04] <apachelogger> so....
[17:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: whoever is in charge should talk to muesli about moving phonon and tomahawk there and add the tomahawk hudson server as a node
[17:05] <apachelogger> also someone should tell me how we can make our ARM machines nodes
[17:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: talk to tnyblom
[17:05] <shadeslayer> Torgny Nyblom  that is
[17:05]  * apachelogger is all busy with getting high
[17:18] <bulldog98> guys kdepim-runtime has an override issue: http://paste.kde.org/129583/
[17:19] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: you uploaded it ^
[17:20] <shadeslayer> eh
[17:20] <shadeslayer> how the heck did it land in -dev
[17:21] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: hm
[17:22] <bulldog98> add breaks kdepim-runtime-dev I’d say
[17:22] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: obviously the 4.6 package is bad
[17:22] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: yes but it was installed via one of our ppas
[17:22] <yofel> !ninjas | work to do: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging
[17:23] <shadeslayer> that didn't work :P
[17:23]  * bulldog98 doesn’t have time tomorrow, but I’ll try to do something in university at tuesday
[17:23] <yofel> bulldog98: 4.6.0 doesn't exist anywhere anymore
[17:23] <yofel> !ninjas
[17:23] <yofel> now :)
[17:23]  * apachelogger undresses
[17:24] <bulldog98> yofel: yes I don’t know either why this happened
[17:24] <yofel> bulldog98: well, I know that files shifted around quite a bit in our kdepim packages with someone, you, me and even more people messing with the install files
[17:25] <yofel> and we don't add Breaks/Replaces for PPA packages usually
[17:25] <bulldog98> ok
[17:26] <apachelogger> yofel: we do
[17:26] <apachelogger> except usually it is not necessary to do it against a ppa version specifically
[17:27] <yofel> ah, might have been me then dropping something at some point
[17:28] <yofel> ok now... why doesn't kgetsource have any help?
[17:28] <bulldog98> yofel: which version are you using?
[17:28] <shadeslayer> because its documentation is probably in its commit
[17:28] <yofel> bulldog98: trunk
[17:28] <bulldog98> yofel: I could add one
[17:29]  * yofel reads some ruby
[17:29] <bulldog98> yofel: kgetsource PACKAGE
[17:29] <bulldog98> gives you latest stable
[17:30] <yofel> hm, it obviously relies on khighestversion being in PATH
[17:30] <bulldog98> yofel: yes
[17:31]  * yofel runs dpkg-buildpackage
[17:35] <yofel> heh, for oxygen-icons I really would like to have a progress-bar ^^
[17:40] <yofel> any reason why it puts stuff into build-area/ ?
[17:40] <yofel> I would prefer the current folder
[17:45] <bulldog98> yofel: that was the behaviour it used to be (putting in build-area) haven’t touched that, since it’s apachelogger’s work :)
[17:45] <yofel> ah
[17:45] <apachelogger> cause bzr builddeb expects it to be there
[17:45] <yofel> nvm anyway, I'll stop using that script as it does a half-way work anyway
[17:45] <apachelogger> or something or nothing
[17:45]  * yofel doesn't use bzr-builddeb
[17:46] <apachelogger> that is a bug then
[17:47] <allee> VPNC still broken oneiric.  Patch was:  http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/tmp/nm-plasmiod-fix-vpnc.diff
[17:47] <yofel> true, it expects it there, odd bzr
[17:47] <allee> bambee cyphermox ScottK  ^^ anyone upload?
[17:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://cl.ly/221E351x0p3p1d1h2k3B
[17:47] <shadeslayer> so i do need the iphone simulator compiler thingy
[17:48] <yofel> ok, now I think I get how this is meant to work
[17:48] <yofel> usable
[17:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: are you on the right branch?
[17:48] <apachelogger> oh
[17:48] <apachelogger> yeah, that might be the problem
[17:49] <apachelogger> https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/blobs/4.8/src/plugins/platforms/uikit/README
[17:52] <shadeslayer> yeah, need to switch branches
[17:54] <bulldog98> apachelogger: why does klinksource doesnot properly work with kdelibs?
[17:55] <apachelogger> what does klinksource do?
[17:55] <apachelogger> ...probably because we call it kde4libs
[17:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: You don't seem to have 'make' or 'gmake' in your PATH.
[17:56] <shadeslayer> xD
[17:57] <apachelogger> gmake?
[17:57] <apachelogger> lol
[17:57] <bulldog98> apachelogger: it names it kdelibs… but should name that kde4libs…
[17:57] <yofel> hmm.. someone an idea how does one tell debuild which gpg key to use for signing?
[17:57] <bulldog98> yofel: debuild -k ?
[17:57] <apachelogger> bulldog98: yeah, that will need an override
[17:58] <shadeslayer> yeah i know
[17:58] <yofel> bulldog98: hm, I'll try that
[17:58] <apachelogger> yofel: -kID or -k"Name"
[17:58] <bulldog98> apachelogger: do you want to fix that, or should I?
[17:58] <yofel> yeah, a bit unhandy though if I need to pass that every time
[17:58] <apachelogger> bulldog98: you
[17:58]  * yofel should probably just revoke his old key
[17:58] <apachelogger> I seem not to have enough motivation
[18:02]  * bulldog98 will first eat something :)
[18:05]  * yofel wonders if one can make bzr builddeb add a ~ppa1 suffix
[18:07] <apachelogger> do not over estimate our tools
[18:07] <apachelogger> one could do that though
[18:07] <apachelogger> export ... add entry ... buildpackage
[18:08] <bambee> allee: I've not rights to archives
[18:08] <bambee> ask a kubuntu dev or a core dev
[18:08] <bambee> apachelogger perhaps...
[18:08] <bambee> :p
[18:17] <shadeslayer> alright, i'm off to bed
[18:17] <yofel> gn
[18:23] <bulldog98> gn
[18:36] <CIA-130> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/oxygen-icons] Philip Muškovac * 86 * debian/changelog New upstream release
[18:36] <CIA-130> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/meta-kde] Philip Muškovac * 15 * debian/ (changelog rules) Bump dev:latestVersino to 4.7.2
[18:38] <bulldog98> yofel: smokegen is next :)
[18:50] <CIA-130> [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Jonathan Kolberg * 125 * bin/ (kgetsource klinksource) Fixed an issue with kdelib naming and fixed kgetsource with specific version
[18:50] <allee> apachelogger, ScottK: not uploaded yet.  oneiric vpnc fix for nm:   http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/tmp/nm-plasmiod-fix-vpnc.diff
[18:51] <bulldog98> apachelogger: fixed
[18:55] <CIA-130> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/smokegen] Philip Muškovac * 12 * debian/changelog New upstream release
[18:57] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: ping
[19:00] <CIA-130> [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Jonathan Kolberg * 126 * bin/klinksource Fixed an small issue in klinksource
[19:07] <CIA-130> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/smokeqt] Philip Muškovac * 10 * debian/changelog New upstream release
[19:09] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: yes?
[19:10] <bulldog98> yofel: only 10% left
[19:10] <bulldog98> of kdelibs
[19:10] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: Would it make sence to learn C++ with KDE/Kubuntu? Or, should I learn it first then add Qt with it?
[19:10] <yofel> sure, I'm doing perqt and qtruby in the meantime
[19:10] <yofel> *perlqt
[19:11] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: depends on what you want to do
[19:11] <apachelogger> generally it would be: learn C, learn C++, learn Qt, learn KDE
[19:12] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: woot. This will take a while then :D
[19:12]  * yofel is somewhere at the c++ step
[19:13] <DarkwingDuck> I was thinking of taking the easy way out and learning python then PyQt
[19:14] <apachelogger> where the things to learn in the first two would be: c... memory management, pointers, arrays, general syntax; c++... memory management, classes, references, templates (although that can be learned later)
[19:15] <apachelogger> with qt and kde it is just a matter of learning how to create an initial app and then hack on something specific to get used to API and learn about existing classes
[19:15] <DarkwingDuck> So it's actually less then it looks.
[19:16] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: again depending on what you want to do ... with pyqt you would most definitely have to digg quite a bit into unit testing, or automatic testing in general
[19:16] <apachelogger> to make up for the missing type safety and compile time compiler checks
[19:16]  * bulldog98 never has learned to write more than a hello world (or small calculator in C or C++)
[19:17] <bulldog98> but I can write Qt and KDE apps :)
[19:18] <apachelogger> the point is not to write code, the point is to understand the concepts and how one uses them in the respective language
[19:19] <bulldog98> apachelogger: yes I understand C and C++ code, but I do not want to code in C or C++ unless I can use Qt or KDE
[19:22] <CIA-130> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/perlqt] Philip Muškovac * 13 * debian/changelog New upstream release
[19:24] <ScottK> apachelogger: I have to go to the airport and get on an airplane.  Can you take care of the NM vpnc fix?
[19:30] <bulldog98> yofel: there is at least one missing stuff
[19:30] <yofel> otherwise it would be boring
[19:31] <bulldog98> ?
[19:31] <yofel> well, what's missing?
[19:31] <bulldog98> yofel: I mean in the symbol file
[19:31] <yofel> right
[19:33] <bulldog98> yofel: had a problem with space (the log is gone)
[19:34] <yofel> get yourself a larger HDD
[19:34] <bulldog98> btw is there a way to tell apt, that it should delete the downloaded packages after installing them?
[19:34] <bulldog98> yofel: it was a tmpfs build
[19:35] <bulldog98> run out of space, couse ~300 packages were in the tarball
[19:37] <yofel> hm, the buildlog shouldn't be in the tmpfs though
[19:38] <yofel> bulldog98: well, you can run apt-get clean right after it
[19:38] <bulldog98> yofel: hm is there no way to set that in an config file?
[19:40] <yofel> read the apt.conf manpage, there is an APT::Clean setting
[19:40] <bulldog98> yofel: that’s what I was up to do :)
[19:42]  * yofel has a cron job that runs this:
[19:42] <yofel> find /var/cache/apt/archives/ -atime +7 -exec rm -f -- '{}' \;
[19:42] <yofel> remove all debs that haven't been accessed in a week
[19:43] <CIA-130> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qtruby] Philip Muškovac * 10 * debian/changelog New upstream release
[19:43] <bulldog98> yofel: I use a apt-cacher, so I don’t need them to be cached :)
[19:43] <yofel> ah
[19:43] <bulldog98> twice
[19:47] <bulldog98> yofel: I also teached pbuilders to use that, maybe I could add an hook for that?
[19:51] <yofel> wouldn't hurt to have in the collection I guess, ask apachelogger how to best fit it in, he wrote most of the hooks
[19:54] <bulldog98> apachelogger: a pbuilder generation hook would be best I guess.
[19:54] <bulldog98> maybe you should have to set a var to true in your rc to enable it
[19:56] <apachelogger> hm?
[19:58] <bulldog98> apachelogger: if you use a apt-cacher it’s useless to cache your files locally too. So it would make sense to force apt-get in an pbuilder to apt-get clean after each package installation
[19:58] <yofel> that only makes sense if you actually let pbuilder cache the fiels
[19:58] <yofel> *files
[19:59] <apachelogger> I do not compute
[20:00] <bulldog98> yofel: yeah that too
[20:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did you know we had to submit a code sample for gsoc?
[20:17] <ScottK> Is Dario Freddi as much of an "difficult personality" in person as he is on email?
[20:17] <bulldog98> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/129679
[20:17]  * apachelogger only fondles dario usually
[20:17] <apachelogger> ScottK: nm is up btw
[20:17] <ScottK> Cool.
[20:17] <ScottK> Thaks
[20:17] <ScottK> Thanks even.
[20:18] <ScottK> Will look in a bit.
[20:24] <yofel> bulldog98: that shouldn't break anything, it's optional
[20:25] <bulldog98> ok
[20:32] <apachelogger> bulldog98: I do not get the problem of bug 94597
[20:34] <bulldog98> yofel: pushing
[20:40] <bulldog98> apachelogger: do you have any logitech mouse/trackball?
[20:43] <bulldog98> apachelogger: there is no udev rule that sets proper rights for logitech mouse device files, so it can be changed form within systemsettings
[20:44] <apachelogger> I do not see where I would edit logitech stuff in systemsettings?
[20:46] <bulldog98> apachelogger: the mouses have different dpi settings and you can configure them there
[20:47] <bulldog98> if everything is setup right
[20:47] <apachelogger> where?
[20:48] <bulldog98> apachelogger: have you an logitech mouse pluged into your pc, only then you’ll see it in inputdevices -> mouse -> Logitech …
[20:49] <apachelogger> there is no inputdevices->mouse->logitech
[20:49] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/Sh5Z9.png
[20:55] <bulldog98> apachelogger: http://people.ubuntu.com/~bulldog98/logitech.jpeg
[20:56] <apachelogger> 403
[20:56] <apachelogger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/630971
[20:56] <apachelogger> man
[20:59] <yofel> bulldog98: I've got a logitech keyboard/mouse and I don't have any settings there either
[20:59] <yofel> missing package?
[20:59] <CIA-130> [kde-workspace] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/ (changelog man/kdm.1) Fix manpage path reference to KDM readme file (LP: #630971)
[21:00] <bulldog98> !search logitech
[21:00] <bulldog98> ~search logitech
[21:00] <kubotu> Results for logitech: 1. Logitech – Get immersed in the digital world with a mouse, keyboard ...: http://www.logitech.com/ | 2. Product Support - Logitech: http://www.logitech.com/support-downloads?debug=0 | 3. Logitech - Webcams & HD Web Cameras: http://www.logitech.com/en-us/webcam-communications/webcams
[21:00] <bulldog98> !package logitech
[21:02] <yofel> hows's kdelibs doing?
[21:04] <bulldog98> yofel: 5mins and it’s up
[21:04] <apachelogger> bulldog98: so
[21:04] <apachelogger> can we get a look at the screenshot perhaps?
[21:05] <bulldog98> apachelogger: I’ll give you
[21:07] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/701244/
[21:08] <apachelogger> only if one of those was detected it seems to add a tab
[21:09] <bulldog98> apachelogger: http://i.imgur.com/W47UZ.jpg
[21:10] <apachelogger> right on
[21:10] <apachelogger> I think this is an upstream issue
[21:10] <apachelogger> or an ubuntu udev one, I do not feel comfortable adding a udev rule to workspace via packaging
[21:13] <bulldog98> apachelogger: so I’d add ubuntu udev, since it’s working if the rule is installed
[21:13] <bulldog98> but I’ll verify that again
[21:13] <apachelogger> no
[21:13] <apachelogger> you should move the bug upstream
[21:14] <apachelogger> see what they think about it
[21:14] <apachelogger> and only if they do not want to ship a udev rule discuss it at ubuntu level
[21:14] <apachelogger> google suggests other distros are also annoyed by this
[21:22] <bulldog98> apachelogger: so I should ask udev guys? (are the at freedesktop.org?)
[21:23] <apachelogger> you should ask kde
[21:34] <apachelogger> I thought we fixed bug 841181
[21:37]  * bulldog98 goes to bed
[21:38] <yofel> without the apt term.log that bug is useless
[21:38] <apachelogger> yofel: checkout the description
[21:39] <apachelogger> for some reason kdm.config is missing
[21:40] <yofel> I fear there's not much we can do there
[21:40] <yofel> that's dpkg erroring out on --purge if a conffile is missing
[21:41] <yofel> it shouldn't do that IMO
[21:44] <apachelogger> well
[21:44] <apachelogger> where did the file go
[21:44] <apachelogger> like we had that issue with duplicated removal
[21:44] <apachelogger> but I think that was 10.10
[21:44] <yofel> user removed it? or renamed it?
[21:44] <apachelogger> yofel: you better ask the user :P
[21:44] <yofel> before upstart override files that was a common way to disable a service
[21:47] <yofel> ScottK: can you take a look at bug 864651 when you've got some free time? no hurry
[21:48] <yofel> apachelogger: might as well do that
[21:49] <apachelogger> afiestas: do you have an idea on bug 779421
[21:49] <apachelogger> yofel: bug 786323
[21:50] <apachelogger> yofel: bug 785081
[21:50] <yofel> jajajaja...
[21:50] <apachelogger> bug 802102 is the shitz though
[21:50] <apachelogger> also not our OS
[21:50] <apachelogger> !
[21:52] <yofel> well, that at least has a kdm package version in the report...
[21:52] <yofel> I guess the others are 4.6.2a too
[21:55] <apachelogger> yofel: bug 775011
[21:56] <apachelogger> yofel: bug 758124
[21:57] <apachelogger> yofel: bug 731982
[21:57] <apachelogger> yofel: bug 728025
[21:57] <apachelogger> I think you are now required to do some duping :P
[21:57] <apachelogger> yofel: bug 711607
[21:58] <afiestas> apachelogger: replied to the bug asking for feedback
[21:59] <apachelogger> gracias
[22:26] <apachelogger> afiestas: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/762593
[22:31] <yofel> bah, first had a kernel panic, and then had to explain to my dad how one does a photo panorama (in windows no less -.-)
[22:34]  * yofel brings out a toast for nepomukstorage and akonadi_nepomuk_email_feeder eating up his eeePC's resources
[22:41] <apachelogger> afiestas: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/630458
[22:53] <afiestas> apachelogger: last one may be fixed in 4.7.2/3 you can backport the fi
[22:54] <apachelogger> if you point me to it and if it is small enough
[22:54] <afiestas> the first one (762593) I need some feedback, qdbus --system org.freedesktop.UPower output
[22:54]  * yofel wonders how to reproduce that kdm issue
[22:54] <afiestas> apachelogger: better to test it a little bit before
[22:54] <apachelogger> so, we should SRU
[22:54] <afiestas> maybe as an stable update
[22:56] <afiestas> apachelogger: 5dc645016aa8aaa5ed3b5fde2a5d53405e3ce714
[22:59] <apachelogger> thx
[22:59] <yofel> ok, maverick *is* broken
[22:59] <yofel> natty is not
[23:00] <apachelogger> fun
[23:00] <apachelogger> yofel: please dupe up the reports though
[23:00] <yofel> I'll do so
[23:01] <apachelogger> afiestas: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/474552
[23:01] <apachelogger> also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/477828
[23:01] <afiestas> apachelogger: not kde related, it should befixed somewhere else I think
[23:02] <afiestas> the last one may be fixed by the sasme commit
[23:04] <yofel> right, in maverick kdm.postrm removes kdm.conf on purge and after that dpkg tries to do the same
[23:04] <apachelogger> so we did not SRU it
[23:04]  * apachelogger thought he asked someone to do that
[23:04] <apachelogger> :/
[23:04] <apachelogger> god
[23:05] <apachelogger> these rotten old bugs do nothing for my nerves
[23:09] <apachelogger> afiestas: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/501824
[23:09] <afiestas> apachelogger: too old? we need 4.6 testing at least
[23:09] <afiestas> sice we are using upower now instead of HAL
[23:10] <apachelogger> ok
[23:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: scru you and your xps :P
[23:10] <apachelogger> afiestas: I wonder if bug 504680 is a driver issue or a krandr one
[23:12] <afiestas> apachelogger: it may not be, test with 4.7.1 to be sure (I fixed a lot of stuff in that version)
[23:14] <yofel> bug #634707
[23:14] <yofel> apachelogger: there's your SRU that never got done
[23:15]  * yofel goes duping
[23:19] <yofel> I'm wondering though why people are getting that with >> 4.6.0a
[23:19] <yofel> it's practically impossible, unless dpkg didn't update the postrm
[23:22] <yofel> did I mention the kwallet backend for python-keyring makes it impossible to use launchpadlib?
[23:23] <yofel> http://paste.kde.org/129697/
[23:28] <apachelogger> python is such a nice language
[23:29] <apachelogger> I always start emitting ears of joy when I triage bugs and stumble upon ever so many python tracebacks
[23:29] <apachelogger> in fact
[23:29] <apachelogger> I dare someone to cleanup the kdeadmin package's bugs
[23:30] <yofel> most of them are system-config-printer related?
[23:30] <apachelogger> there is also plasma plasmoids in pythorn
[23:31] <apachelogger> top crash0r is veromix of course
[23:33] <yofel> bug 827407
[23:33] <yofel> fun
[23:35] <yofel> apachelogger: btw. do you know where the icon for the activies plasma applet in the plasma widgetsexplorer (cashew -> add widgets) comes from?
[23:35] <yofel> it's missing
[23:36] <apachelogger> screenshot plz
[23:36] <yofel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/823830/+attachment/2265728/+files/activities.png
[23:36] <yofel> missing in up-to-date oneiric too
[23:36] <apachelogger> someone shoudl check out bug 682067
[23:37] <yofel> and neon in fact
[23:37] <apachelogger> because I'd close as kmsma
[23:37] <apachelogger> yofel: I am not sure there is one really
[23:37] <yofel> ...
[23:38] <yofel> the widget oviously has an icon itself, shouldn't it just use that?
[23:38] <yofel> look fooey like this
[23:38] <yofel> *looks
[23:38] <apachelogger> >>> grep Icon plasma-applet-org.kde.showActivityManager.desktop
[23:38] <apachelogger> Icon=activities
[23:38] <apachelogger> >>> locate activites.png
[23:38] <apachelogger> <<< 01:38.28 Mon Oct 03 2011!/usr/share/kde4/services
[23:38] <apachelogger> >>> locate activites |grep png
[23:38] <apachelogger> <<< 01:38.42 Mon Oct 03 2011!/usr/share/kde4/services
[23:38] <apachelogger> there is no icon
[23:41] <yofel> there is a preferences-activities.png which is used by the applet itself
[23:41] <yofel> guess I'll file an upstream bug later
[23:46] <apachelogger> yofel: bug 785081
[23:47] <apachelogger> afiestas: bug 510229
[23:47] <yofel> sysvinit?
[23:48] <yofel> ah


[09:39] <schkovich> i am working with manual provider. each machine has 3 interfaces, public, multi-tenant service and private one. is there a way to configure juju to communicate on the private interface?
[09:57] <schkovich> if i edit agent.conf and set apiaddresses to private one or ad private one to array am i at risk that setting might be overwritten?
[10:00] <schkovich> is there preferable way to denote correct apiaddress? juju api-info gives me a list of all state sever IP addresses
[10:15] <schkovich> i see, apiaddresses will be overwritten therefore state-server is setting it
[11:03] <schkovich> not having an option to set preferred network makes manual environment truly manual
[11:03] <schkovich> based on non-transparent rules juju is picking multi-tenant network to communicate on
[11:03] <schkovich> which in turn makes setting firewall rules hard
[11:03] <schkovich> instead of selecting private network and just allowing connections from all machines in subnet
[11:03] <schkovich> firewall rules must be updated whenever a new machine is added
[12:53] <schkovich> anyone on manual provider and selecting private network to use? state-servers, logging, storage...
[13:14] <schkovich> there is a similar bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1303204
[13:14] <mup> Bug #1303204: manual provider allow specifying private address for connecting back to state-server <improvement> <manual-provider> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1303204>
[13:16] <schkovich> juju does use local-cloud but in my case i have two interfaces: one on rackspace multi-tenant service network which juju  would use and another one on the private network which i would like juju to use :)
[13:17] <schkovich> there is also a similar question on askubuntu having 6 votes http://askubuntu.com/questions/611564/how-does-juju-get-the-private-address-of-a-node
[13:22] <schkovich> i guess that in all cases logic implemented in juju/network/address.go will be used e.g. the first ip matching condition will be used :(
[14:42] <Johncr1> Hello Folks, I am trying deploy a seervice in lxc-container but the container is stuck in pending state ?
[14:43] <Johncr1> I have stopped ufw already
[14:43] <Johncr1> containers:
[14:43] <Johncr1>       2/lxc/0:
[14:43] <Johncr1>         agent-state: pending
[14:59] <Web> Big thanks to Juju team for all your work.  Without you my graduate project wouldn't have been such a success!
[15:09] <jcastro> Web: oh really?
[15:09] <jcastro> that'd be an awesome post to put on the list, sounds awesome
[15:12] <Web> jcastro: Thank you directly.  You been a huge help.  I will post a detailed development blog article soon on mastersproject.info but the project was a questionnaire service with developer access http://themindspot.com
[15:13] <jcastro> cool, let me know when it's up, we should be able to syndicate posts on juju.u.c soon
[15:16] <Web> Cool. I will do.  Focusing on getting a job this week now that I have time but get to it soon.
[15:16] <Web> PLus want to make sure that final grade is an A+++++++++++++.
[15:16] <Web> first
[15:17] <jcastro> heh, awesome
[15:36] <schkovich> can someone explain me why in one case juju is deciding to connect to the state server on the public ip and in other to the private ip
[15:36] <schkovich> machine agent.conf
[15:36] <schkovich> apiaddresses:
[15:36] <schkovich> - <IP_ADDRESS>:17070
[15:36] <schkovich> unit on the machine above agent.conf
[15:36] <schkovich> apiaddresses:
[15:36] <schkovich> - <IP_ADDRESS>:17070
[15:36] <schkovich> id does not make sense :(
[15:49] <jcastro> I need a ~charmer to action on this if they have a minute: https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+bug/1457263
[15:49] <mup> Bug #1457263: Remove galera charm from personal namespace <Juju Charms Collection:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1457263>
[15:49] <cjwatson> Hi, is there any way I can get juju's private mongod to not sit there spinning and calling select 100 times a second?  It's quite literally causing me to have to open a window to dissipate laptop heat any time I'm using juju
[15:49] <jcastro> cjwatson: you probably want the guys in #juju-dev for that one
[15:50] <cjwatson> Mkay
[15:50] <lazyPower> jcastro: as thee LP Repository has been removed, the only leftover from that would actually come from UIEngineering. rick_h_ ^
[15:51] <jcastro> yeah I wasn't sure if we still need to file an RT ticket?
[15:51] <lazyPower> i dont think so
[15:51] <lazyPower> i'm pretty sure that with the new stuff they can do it in-house.
[15:51] <jcastro> yeah, rick_h_ I'd like to catch up with you today anyway if you have like a 10 min window for G+
[15:57] <rick_h_> jcastro: sure thing
[15:57] <rick_h_> jcastro: sooner is better for the next two hours I've got a window
[15:58] <rick_h_> lazyPower: rgr, will look. not had a chance yet today
[16:01] <jog> mgz, sinzui, do you know where I can find information on how to request a windows instance with juju?
[16:02] <sinzui> jog: the series eg local:win2012/dummy-source
[16:02] <rick_h_> jcastro: lazyPower replied to the bug
[16:03] <rick_h_> lazyPower: glad you had the bug there because I thought it was the ~codership one.
[16:04] <sinzui> jog: if you are using add-machine, you can use maas tags. I think like this juju add-machine --constraint tags=win2012
[16:05] <jog> sinzui, ok
[16:19] <lazyPower> rick_h_: happy to help :)
[17:00] <jcastro> rick_h_: how about now?
[17:01] <rick_h_> jcastro: sure
[20:45] <thumper> lazyPower: you around?
[20:46] <thumper> marcoceppi: you are at ODS?
[20:52] <tvansteenburgh> thumper: marcoceppi flying home atm
[20:53] <thumper> tvansteenburgh: ta
[20:58] <lazyPower> thumper: i'm here
[21:38] <mattrae> is it possible with juju gui and the local provider, to choose which machines i deploy a bundle to? when i click 'deploy this bundle' it asks if i'm sure, but doesn't give me an opportunity to choose which machines i want to use
[21:53] <lazyPower> mattrae: that's an incoming feature in a future juju gui release.
[21:53] <lazyPower> mattrae: aiui its been prototyped, and is in the alpha testing phase
[21:53] <lazyPower> hatch: may have more information about this for you
[21:55] <mattrae> lazyPower: ahh thanks :)
[22:17] <hatch> lazyPower: it's actually beta, soon to be RC'd :D
[22:27] <thumper> lazyPower: oh hai, I'm back here now
[22:27] <thumper> lazyPower: do you have 10-15 minutes for a hangout?
[22:29] <lazyPower> thumper: sure
[22:30] <thumper> lazyPower: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/charming?authuser=0
[23:02] <miken> Is there a way now to be able to upgrade a charm and set a (new) config option in one step?
[23:13] <lazyPower> miken: afaik - no. you upgrade-charm, then juju set.
[23:14] <lazyPower> juju upgrade-charm service && juju set service foo=bar - would be a hacky way to 'do it in one step' - but you'll still get the hooks executing as such. so 2x runs of config-changed in that sequence.
[23:15] <miken> k, thanks. Yeah, I'd ideally like to have something set for the install hook, which I assume that won't.


[06:48] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:49] <sgclark> good night haha
[06:51] <lordievader> Hehe, you were just going to bed?
[06:51] <sgclark> yeah , gnight
[06:55] <rbetzen> going to try to do some testing this cycle.  I take it there still aren't any iso's ready for kubuntu to test?  Haven't found anything at least.
[06:55] <lordievader> Sleep well, sgclark
[06:56] <sgclark> we are  far from ready, not enough resources, anyway need to sleep.
[06:56] <lordievader> rbetzen: You can allways test the daily iso's (though they might still have a critical bug), or upgrade from 15.10 to test stuff.
[06:58] <rbetzen> Thanks.  I'll do that.  Just making sure I wasn't missing a release. ;)
[07:00] <lordievader> rbetzen: Kubuntu skipped Alpha 2, you haven't missed a thing ;)
[08:56] <soee> i posted feature request on plasma-devel ml, if someone want to comment please do https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/plasma-devel/2016-February/049202.html
[10:41] <sitter> clivejo: no
[10:41] <sitter> clivejo: last thread I see is sddm breakage
 sitter: can you update discover in KCI to grab from plasma-discover in debian git?
[10:47] <sitter> clivejo: will do so later today
[10:48] <clivejo> thanks :)
[11:51] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:11] <clivejo> sitter Riddell : can anyone tell me why this merge is failing - http://kci.pangea.pub/job/merger_kwallet-pam/252/console
[12:14] <sitter> clivejo: drop that branch remotes/origin/kubuntu_unstable_pam-auth-update
[12:14] <sitter> no intention to pursue
[12:15] <sitter> also it fails because the merge chain failed
[12:15] <sitter> [I] merger: Merging remotes/origin/kubuntu_xenial_archive into kubuntu_stable.
[12:15] <sitter> [I] merger: Merging kubuntu_stable into kubuntu_unstable.
[12:15] <sitter> [I] merger:   kubuntu_unstable -> remotes/origin/kubuntu_unstable_pam-auth-update
[12:15] <sitter> so if you want to find out why exactly it failed you'll have to merge the branches like that locally
[12:15] <bshah> why am I culprit!!!
[12:16] <sitter> because jenkins
[12:16] <bshah> !!!11one!
[12:16] <bshah> :p
[14:37] <clivejo> but what is remotes/origin/kubuntu_unstable_pam-auth-update
[14:37] <clivejo> and who put it there
[14:38] <yofel> git log might give a hint
[14:38] <yofel> not about who pushed though
[14:40] <clivejo> how do I drop the remote?
[14:43] <yofel> why would you drop origin?!?
[14:44] <yofel> or do you mean delete the branch?
[14:45] <yofel> ... from the remote
[15:07] <mparillo> On Xenial with the landing PPA,  has anybody noticed that the kwalled migration password dialogue box comes up with every boot?
[15:20] <yofel> I remember someone mentioning that before, but I haven't seen it myself
[15:21] <mamarley> It was happening to me for a while, but then it seemed to resolve itself.
[16:38] <clivejo> sitter yofel - http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/plasma/kwallet-pam.git/commit/?h=kubuntu_unstable_pam-auth-update
[16:38] <clivejo> could KCI have created that branch?
[16:38] <sgclark> that branch is a bane to merges
[16:38] <sgclark> no clue what it is for
[16:39] <sgclark> but it should NOT be in the merges
[16:39] <clivejo> sgclark: know how to remove it?
[16:39] <sgclark> from CI? sadly no
[16:40] <clivejo> and what does it mean by remotes
[16:40] <clivejo>  remotes/origin/kubuntu_unstable_pam-auth-update?
[16:41] <sgclark> https://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-remote.html
[16:42] <clivejo> can it be removed with git remote remove?
[16:43] <sgclark> clivejo: probably want to get the ok from yofel, I do not have authority to remove annoying branches
[16:44] <sgclark> All I know is I am sick of being stalked by CI for a branch I know nothing about and as far as I can tell we do not use.
[16:44] <clivejo> sgclark: ditto
[16:44] <yofel> clivejo: read the manual scarlett pointed to, a remote is a "repository", you're talking about branch deletion
[16:45] <yofel> as for the deletion itself, I'm not sure if we can
[16:45] <yofel> there was some discussion about qt-kde policies there...
[16:45]  * clivejo puts hands up
[16:45] <clivejo> I have no idea, just want to see it fixed!
[16:45] <yofel> lisandro: are we allowed to delete branches from the repositories that only affect us?
[16:46] <sgclark> yofel: sitter: or we can just remove the merge from CI? I don't understand why that merge is there
[16:47] <yofel> sitter will have to answer that, I have no idea how the merge tooling works
[16:47] <sgclark> yah we should probably e filled in there
[16:47] <sgclark> s/e/be/
[16:54] <yofel> I would assume it's some kind of mixed hard-coded/auto branch detection in the ci tooling
[16:54] <yofel> bbl
[16:54] <sgclark> k
[16:59] <lisandro> yofel: if everything works as expected you shouldn't be able to do so
[16:59] <lisandro> don't get me wrong: the repos' scripts where meant for another workflow
[17:00] <lisandro> for example we avoided temporary branches
[17:19] <lisandro> yofel: forgot to mention, if you need to remove a branch ping me
[17:26] <sgclark> fairly certain that is not what we want. Just removal from CI which requires sitter
[19:30] <yofel> lordievader: ok thanks. That's about what I remembered, but wasn't certain. We'll fix this in the CI instead.
[19:30] <yofel> lisandro: ^
[19:30] <yofel> lordievader: feel yourself unpinged ^^
[19:31] <lisandro> yofel: ACK
[19:35] <lordievader> Hehe, but I like to be pinged -.-
[19:36] <yofel> :D
[19:39] <clivejo> lordievader: ping
[19:39]  * clivejo waves
[19:40] <clivejo> ooo syncroton
[19:41] <clivejo> sounds like a Transformer
[19:41] <lordievader> \o/
[19:42] <clivejo> WTF!!
[19:43] <clivejo> Ive never seen that before
[19:43] <clivejo> Writing more data than expected (1909437 > 1909428) [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[19:49] <soee> you are on higher level now :D you produce more data than expected
[19:49] <clivejo> oh good lord
[19:49] <clivejo> git init git
[19:50] <clivejo> oups, wrong window
[20:04] <clivejo> Riddell: you worked on packaging kolab?
[20:04] <clivejo> libkolab - https://obs.kolabsys.com/package/view_file/Kolab:Winterfell/libkolab/debian.changelog?expand=1
[20:17] <sgclark> clivejo: looking at the log sitter and detrout were the last two to package that. sitter did the actual port. What exactly do you need?
[20:18] <clivejo> dont need anything, just surprised to see Riddell in the changelog and wanted to chat to him about it
[20:18] <sgclark> I think Diane is actually working on it for debian right now, you can find her in the debian-qt-kde channel. I see you in there. She doesn't bite.
[20:18] <sgclark> YOu will see him in many changelogs.. haha
[20:19] <clivejo> I chatted with Diane yesterday, she said she doesnt have time to work on Kolab
[20:19] <sgclark> ah
[20:20] <sgclark> I have packaged it, I don't recall anything crazy about it, although libkolabxml needs to be packaged first
[20:20] <clivejo> thats the client side stuff?
[20:21] <sgclark> it is a lib
[20:21] <clivejo> yup
[20:21] <clivejo> but we package it beacuse Kontact uses it
[20:22] <clivejo> !info libkolabxml xenial
[20:22] <clivejo> !info libkolabxml wily
[20:23] <clivejo> !info libkolab wily
[20:23] <clivejo> !info libkolab-dev wily
[20:24] <clivejo> !info libkolab-dev xenial
[20:24] <sgclark> !info libkolabxml1v5
[20:24] <sgclark> bah
[20:24] <sgclark> oh
[20:24] <sgclark> there it is
[20:24] <sgclark> clivejo: ^
[20:24] <clivejo> thats quite old :/
[20:25] <clivejo> v2 now
[22:02]  * clivejo pokes soee_
[22:05]  * soee_ watching at clivejo
[22:06] <clivejo> me head hurts
[22:06] <soee_> :D
[22:12] <soee_> i think new frameworks should be released soon
[22:14] <sgclark> ugh
[22:15] <soee_> the reaction should be: weeeeeeeeeee :D
[22:15] <sgclark> not enough hours in the day for all this work hahahahah
[22:15]  * sgclark goes a little bit crazy
[22:16] <soee_> from what i see only those apps are huge madness
[22:17] <soee_> and this is what i would never understand
[22:17] <soee_> we should be able to just grab released tars, build them and done...
[22:17] <soee_> not some merging and other magic
[22:18]  * clivejo raises eyebrow
[22:20] <clivejo> its not magic, its dark black magic
[22:20] <clivejo> EVIL
[22:20] <sgclark> yeah it is the merges that are killing us really
[22:21] <sgclark> but I do see why, just it is too much work for our small team. I think other flavor maybe sync to debian so don't feel the pain? not sure
[22:21] <clivejo> I think you are the only one working on them sgclark
[22:21] <sgclark> flavors
[22:22] <soee_> and what about Neon - they don't care about Debian ?
[22:23] <sgclark> I know nothing about Neon sorry, got kicked out of the loop.
[22:23] <soee_> wrr why ubuntu installs xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu while i do not have such gpu :/
[22:24] <sgclark> yeah I never understood the piles of xservers installed
[22:24] <soee_> why do it installs libmirclient also ...
[22:24] <soee_> does Kubuntu uses enywhere some mir* stuff ?
[22:27] <yofel> there is no driver auto-detect at install time (not very portable, is it?) - so all available drivers get installed
[22:27]  * clivejo waves at yofel
[22:27] <yofel> not in the UI parts, but we share some of the UI core stack
[22:27] <yofel> heyho
[22:27] <soee_> :/
[22:28] <yofel> it's not like it has a practical effect
[22:28] <clivejo> does this card still apply - https://trello.com/c/nYFDC2qg ?
[22:28] <yofel> we shop tons of libs that are nearly useless, but we ship them anyway
[22:28] <yofel> *ship
[22:30] <clivejo> including some unity stuff *shivers*
[22:30] <yofel> *shrug*
[22:31] <yofel> someone who cares could check if we could manually exclude some recommends in the seeds
[22:31] <clivejo> I care, but not just that much
[23:03] <ScottK> For Kf5, I don't think there's much in the way of Ubuntu specific requirements that would prevent syncing most things.
[23:04] <ScottK> If there's things that need to be pushed to the Debian branches to make that possible, feel free to ping me.
[23:05] <sgclark> ScottK I have been trying to push the sync path. Makes more sense to me. Not sure where we are on that. yofel?
[23:06] <sgclark> especailly these apps
[23:06] <yofel> I haven't look at that at all
[23:06] <sgclark> most of these are no changes
[23:06] <yofel> a) we're done with frameworks ourselves by now b) when we worked on plasma, debian wasn't done with frameworks
[23:07] <ScottK> That's the usual problem.
[23:07] <yofel> so we could sync stuff now, but I don't intend to *keep* waiting on the sycns
[23:07] <sgclark> right
[23:07] <ScottK> It'll be a bit different post feature freeze.
[23:07] <sgclark> wasnt that the purpose of ppa-landing?
[23:08] <sgclark> anyway, back to my merge tastic cave. ugh
[23:08] <yofel> the purpose of ppa-landing was a mis-used ppa so people could test stuff while we get things uploaded
[23:08] <yofel> then we got distracted and other stuff and stuff never got uploaded
[23:08] <sgclark> ah
[23:08] <yofel> I only got the e-c-m permissions fixed this week. So now we can actually *try* to upload stuff
[23:08] <sgclark> gotcha
[23:08] <sgclark> ok
[23:09] <sgclark> right, need to go for developer. so much so little time. I have to wear my kde hat next week. Things will be tight.
[23:09] <yofel> you concentrate on what you have to do. We'll figure things out somehow
[23:10] <sgclark> and wehn I get a $ job it will be even tighter lol
[23:10] <sgclark> yeah I know
[23:13] <clivejo> has the apps merge trello card gone?
[23:14] <sgclark> it somehow moved to backlog
[23:14] <clivejo> ah
[23:14] <clivejo> there it is
[23:23] <sgclark> hmm kubuntu-ci is being strangely quiet
[23:24] <clivejo> think its broken again
[23:24] <clivejo> or maybe its caught up
[23:25] <sgclark> nope, I have pushed several merges, should have seen a few
[23:26] <sgclark> now I have to manually look /grumble. spoiled by CI links haha
[23:26] <clivejo> should okular not have an unstable and stable branch - http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/okular.git/
[23:28] <sgclark> I dont see why it would differ from the rest
[23:28] <clivejo> doesnt seem to be in KCI
[23:29] <yofel> wasn't it only ported to frameworks now?
[23:29] <yofel> we didn't CI qt4 apps
[23:32] <clivejo> will I create a stable and unstable branch while Im here?
[23:36] <clivejo> yofel: ^
[23:40] <sgclark> ah possibly yeah recent port. makes sense
[23:52] <clivejo> yofel: help me please :(
[23:59] <clivejo> sgclark: why would a git merge not be sorting the changelog right?
[23:59] <sgclark> clivejo: sadly this first run doing merges this way changelogs seems to be the problem point. you will have to manually cut paste the entries in the proper order. :(


[01:09] <phillw> !motu
[03:29] <ahh_> Hi, I can't seem to get audio to work on my ancient Toshiba Portege 3440CT. any ideas?
[03:29] <ahh_> aplay -l gives me this:
[03:29] <ahh_> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
[03:29] <ahh_> card 0: I440MX [Intel 440MX], device 0: Intel ICH [Intel 440MX]
[03:29] <ahh_>   Subdevices: 1/1
[03:29] <ahh_>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[03:34] <bioterror> check the volumes with alsamixer
[03:38] <ahh_> cheers
[03:38] <ahh_> pcm out was disabled
[03:40] <bioterror> np ;)
[03:44] <ahh_> there is one strange problem though which I didn't have with vanilla Ubuntu 10.10 (this is Lubuntu 10.10) The audio is output through the laptop speakers and my stereo at the same time. I'd prefer to have it play on my stereo only when I plug in the mini jack.
[03:44] <ahh_> any idea why that might be?
[03:46] <bioterror> that's weird
[03:46] <bioterror> my lubuntu doesnt do that
[03:49] <ahh_> my setup is a bit different I guess. the audio jack is on the attached docking station
[03:49] <bioterror> hmmm
[03:49] <bioterror> that should not change anything
[03:49] <ahh_> just tried plugging in the mini jack to the actual laptop and that silenced the laptop speakers
[03:50] <bioterror> technically that's a bug
[03:50] <bioterror> can someone confirm?
[03:50] <bioterror> I've not seen my laptops ultrabay for a ½ year :D
[03:50] <bioterror> I cant check it
[03:53] <ahh_> :D
[03:53] <ahh_> thanks anyway for your help. At least I've got audio now ;)
[03:58] <ahh_> thanks again. gn
[09:13] <jussi> How does one set a user to autologin on lubuntu?
[09:24] <bioterror> are you a finn?
[09:24] <bioterror> edit lxdm.conf
[09:25] <bioterror> /etc/xdg/lubuntu/lxdm/lxdm.conf
[09:25] <bioterror> [base]
[09:25] <bioterror> autologin=foobar
[11:59] <kosaidpo> hello guys
[11:59] <kosaidpo> anynoe here
[12:00] <hungtran> hello
[12:00] <kosaidpo> i have xls files and iwanna cut off a part of it n  put in a text file i do this  cut -d , -f 1 "promotion immobiliere.xls" > test.txt  but i cant read the that file
[12:01] <kosaidpo> hungtran: hello can you help please
[12:01] <hyperair> kosaidpo: xls isn't a plain-text format. cut only works on a plain-text format. you'll have to dump it out into a .csv file first.
[12:02] <hyperair> kosaidpo: both excel and openoffice calc have that feature.
[12:02] <hyperair> after that you can run that command, replacing xls with csv
[12:02] <kosaidpo> hyperair: i have Gnumeric  in lubuntu
[12:13] <kosaidpo> guys i cant find where ican export files to csv
[12:13] <kosaidpo> anyone can help
[12:15] <phillw> gilir: (12:09:58) JoeMaverickSett: lxpanel segmentation fault on lubuntu natty alpha. :|
[12:15] <phillw> (12:10:29) phillw: JoeMaverickSett: maybe report it on lubuntu?
[12:15] <phillw> (12:10:44) phillw: our developers do not use this channel :D
[12:15] <phillw> (12:10:56) JoeMaverickSett: phillw: i can't my lan isn't auto connecting. how do i do that from terminal?
[12:15] <phillw> (12:11:00) JoeMaverickSett: eth0
[12:16] <JoeMaverickSett> :D thanks phillw :P
[12:18] <phillw> kosaidpo: does gnumeric not have a "Save As" button?
[12:19] <kosaidpo> phillw: tied that but still like .xls
[12:20] <phillw> kosaidpo: when you "Save As" it should give the option to save as csv, but you do need to choose that, else it will just use the default .xls
[12:21] <kosaidpo> yehh i modified that name and it gives a gedit icon but when i open it it does with gnumeic well
[12:21] <kosaidpo> ill try with cmmd n see if it ll wok tho
[12:23] <kosaidpo> it doesnt work :P
[12:23] <phillw> kosaidpo: I'm installing Gnumeric now, it will take a few minutes.
[12:23] <kosaidpo> okies thanks phillw
[12:32] <kosaidpo> phillw: uhn you find any ?
[12:33] <kosaidpo> i guess i need this thingy called druid
[12:33] <phillw> kosaidpo: It's only just installed
[12:33] <kosaidpo> text import
[12:33] <kosaidpo> here http://projects.gnome.org/gnumeric/doc/file-format-csv.shtml phillw
[12:33] <phillw> kosaidpo: remember that I am on a usb 3G device, so my download speed is not high.
[12:35] <kosaidpo> phillw: ihih sure me too :D we ae in the same boat no worries mine its written on it up to  3.6 Mbps
[12:35] <kosaidpo> but if ask the constructor they ll say its in theory only  lamers
[12:36] <phillw> kosaidpo: saving as csv works perfectly for me.
[12:37] <kosaidpo> ohhh please then try to cut that file or open it with gedit
[12:37] <phillw> I have a spreadsheet open in gedit
[12:37] <kosaidpo> yeh it does to me too but icant get from it wht iwant ( which is get only few row )
[12:37] <phillw> via csv saving
[12:37] <kosaidpo> :P
[12:38] <phillw> the file name, when you save it should have .csv at the end of it
[12:38] <kosaidpo> yehh in its extention
[12:38] <kosaidpo> i kno
[12:39] <kosaidpo> but i cant open it with gedit
[12:41] <kosaidpo> phillw: ill go pay first okies thanks for your time : D
[12:41]  * kosaidpo goin to pray brb
[12:41] <phillw> kosaidpo: I have no idea why it is not working for you. try asking on #ubuntu-beginners. Else if you email me the file I will have a look at it for you.
[13:48] <Yorvyk> OK, who killed Natty! Anybody else having problems with the panel go berserk and flickering on and of
[14:11] <Mossyfunk> boo
[14:11]  * szczur almost got scared :)
[14:11] <Mossyfunk> =P
[14:13] <Mossyfunk> K so I got my windows 7 gaming machine connected to our wireless router, hoiwever my lubuntu box only has a wired LAN. I have the 2 computers connected via the onboard ethernet ports. My question is, how3 can I share my windows internet connection with my lubuntu box? I don't need to share files or anything just use the net
[14:16] <Yorvyk> Doesn’t Win7 have an Internet sharing option?
[14:17] <szczur> Mossyfunk, http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-vista/Using-ICS-Internet-Connection-Sharing
[14:20] <Mossyfunk> ahhh screw it i'll just use a router =P
[14:20] <szczur> Mossyfunk, or version with screenshots > http://www.windowsreference.com/windows-vista/step-by-step-internet-connection-sharing-ics-setup-in-vista/
[14:21] <szczur> it should be the same in W7
[14:23] <Mossyfunk> thanks man i'm having a look now
[14:28] <JoeMaverickSett> my lxpanel is flickering, so i killed it, and when i start it, it says segmentation fault.
[14:28] <bioterror> natty?
[14:29] <JoeMaverickSett> yup.
[14:29] <bioterror> niiice
[14:29] <Yorvyk> Ditto
[14:29] <bioterror> maybe I'm not going to upgrade
[14:29] <bioterror> JoeMaverickSett, dpkg-reconfigure lxpanel
[14:29] <Yorvyk> I wouldn’t for the mo
[14:29] <bioterror> logout and login
[14:30] <bioterror> if that's not solving the problem
[14:30] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: i think it's more of my 11year old pc than the fault of lubuntu
[14:30] <JoeMaverickSett> :D
[14:30] <bioterror> maybe rm -rf .config/lxpanel
[14:31] <JoeMaverickSett> hold on, stuck at black log out screen :D
[14:32] <bioterror> :D
[14:33] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: no go.
[14:34] <bioterror> hmmm
[14:34] <Yorvyk> I’ve tried those no difference
[14:34] <bioterror> I should go to some shopping center
[14:34] <JoeMaverickSett> WHAT?
[14:34] <bioterror> yorvuk has same problem
[14:34] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: what's that gotta do with having the same problem? and going to shopping center? O_o?
[14:35] <bioterror> well, I cant wonder this problem with you
[14:35] <JoeMaverickSett> Yorvyk: you also having the annoying flickering lxpanel?
[14:35] <bioterror> even tho I would like to
[14:35] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: no problem, i'll just nuke it. XD
[14:35] <Yorvyk> Yes
[14:35] <JoeMaverickSett> :O
[14:57] <kosaidpo> hello
[14:57] <kosaidpo> im bk
[15:07] <phillw> kosaidpo: if it is not personal data, just email it me & I'll edit it for you.
[15:08] <kosaidpo> phillw: hihi infact its kinda
[15:08] <kosaidpo> i wanna use these emails
[15:08] <kosaidpo> phillw: thanks a lot :D
[15:09] <kosaidpo> phillw: dont bothe uself i kno u way good guy when it comes to helpin :D
[15:11] <phillw> kosaidpo: I do have to abide by the data registrar rules in the UK. That means I would be prosecuted if I shared your data with anyone. I'm a trustworthy guy. Once you had the file back and you were happy with it, I would delete it from my system.
[15:12] <kosaidpo> phillw: well thanks ill shae with you this small one okies : ] can i have you email please ?
[15:14] <phillw> kosaidpo: https://launchpad.net/~phillw either one will get to me.
[15:16] <phillw> hiyas stlsaint :)
[15:17] <kosaidpo> phillw: i ll send it here and both file my csv one n xls okies
[15:17] <kosaidpo><EMAIL_ADDRESS>to this
[15:18] <stlsaint> phillw: hey man
[15:18] <phillw> okies
[15:19] <phillw> kosaidpo: I have to work soon, so it will be a few hours before I can send back. Please also tell me what it is you want me to alter!!!!
[15:19] <stlsaint> phillw: is there a package for lubuntu like this one for ubuntu: http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/touchfreeze
[15:19] <kosaidpo> ahh well iwanna cut the email pat phillw the email row obv hihi thats is all abt
[15:19] <kosaidpo> and thankssssssssssssss phillw
[15:20] <phillw> stlsaint: as it is universe, it should work with Lubuntu.
[15:21] <phillw> stlsaint: else I can our MOTU's to investigate.
[15:22] <phillw> *dan get our*
[15:22] <phillw> grrrr
[15:22] <JoeMaverickSett> can get our
[15:22] <phillw> *can get our*
[15:22] <JoeMaverickSett> :D
[15:22] <JoeMaverickSett> sup stlsaint?
[15:22] <stlsaint> phillw: the package "touchfreeze" is not in repos for lubuntu
[15:24] <phillw> stlsaint: it is in Universe. As Universe is a listed repo for Lubuntu, I can only think there is a gremlin somewhere.
[15:24] <stlsaint> JoeMaverickSett: hey man how you doing
[15:24] <stlsaint> ChanServ:
[15:24] <stlsaint> opps
[15:25] <phillw> gilir: / hyperair can you have look as to why http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/touchfreeze is in Universe but not available in Lubuntu please. Thanks
[15:25] <phillw> stlsaint: you have to love those MOTU's :D
[15:26] <stlsaint> aye\
[15:33] <hyperair> phillw: define "not available in lubuntu"
[15:34] <phillw> stlsaint: you know those dreaded MOTU's... one wants to have a chat with you.
[15:35] <phillw> hyperair: it is stlsaint, one of the UBT guys who is also a lubuntueer now who is having the problem.
[15:35] <hyperair> phillw: is it available on your lubuntu lucid machine?
[15:37] <phillw> hyperair: I'm still running ubuntu 9.10 (not updated) as my usb 3G device will not work with later kernels.... I've no idea where stlsaint has hidden.
[15:37] <hyperair> heh
[15:37] <hyperair> phillw: well, ask to see his /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:38] <hyperair> if it's in lucid universe, then as long as he has universe sources, it'll be available
[15:38] <phillw> hyperair: thanks, boss. I'll let him know
[15:39] <stlsaint> sup?
[15:39] <phillw> hyperair: speak of the devil, here he is :)
[15:39] <hyperair> heh
[15:40] <hyperair> stlsaint: what's the issue with touchfreeze?
[15:40] <hyperair> hmm it seems to not be there in maverick
[15:40] <stlsaint> wait
[15:40] <stlsaint> oh yea
[15:40] <stlsaint> hyperair: im on maverick
[15:41] <hyperair> yeah, so there you go
[15:41] <hyperair> the package must have been removed for some reason or other
[15:41] <stlsaint> yep yep
[16:07] <keakster> I want my external hard drives to show up on my desktop like they did in Ubuntu, is this possible/how? thanks!
[16:13] <phillw> keakster: it is not possible at the moment. But it is on the wish-list of functionallity. Lubuntu has to run too such a tight resource usage we cannot add everything on, else we would be Ubuntu.
[16:14] <keakster> thanks for an answer, I still like Lubuntu better!
[17:17] <gilir> phillw, the reason why touchfreeze is not in Ubuntu and Debian anymore<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:17] <phillw> gilir: thanks, I will let stlsaint know.
[17:19] <phillw> gilir: if were not fact he was a UBT mentor and new lubunteer I would not have pinged you and hyper
[17:21] <phillw> but as MOTU's you two guys are the best to ask :)
[17:21] <gilir> phillw, no problem, I'll not answer if it's annoy me :p
[17:21] <JoeMaverickSett> :D
[19:21] <Mossyfunk> bloody gparted keeps crashing everytime i try and start the installer
[19:21] <Mossyfunk> >_<
[19:21] <bioterror> :D
[19:21] <bioterror> take the miniiso
[19:21] <bioterror> or alternative
[19:26] <Yorvyk> Mossyfunk, what hardware. I’ve only had that problem with some Intel based stuff.
[19:50] <Mossyfunk> its an old acer aspire
[19:50] <Mossyfunk> it worked before
[19:50] <Mossyfunk> whats an alternative to unetbootin?
[20:38] <Guest46333> hello guys fom freenode : D
[20:38] <Guest46333> cant get my kosaidpo name :P
[20:39] <_kosaidpo> test
[20:44] <Yorvyk> _kosaidpo, Piddle
[20:44] <_kosaidpo> Yorvyk: Piddle ??
[20:45] <Yorvyk> Test & Piddle, both English rivers :)
[20:46] <_kosaidpo> Yorvyk: Ohh thanks for that wod idk im not native english i only kno around 100 or less in english :P
[20:46] <_kosaidpo> WORD*
[20:48] <Yorvyk> _kosaidpo, from what I’ve seen I’m sure you know more than 100 English words )
[20:49] <_kosaidpo> Yorvyk: :D maybe your right 200 or 300 :D
[20:51] <_kosaidpo> guys btw is lubuntu gettin lighter in next realeases or the opposite ?
[20:53]  * UndiFineD puts _kosaidpo on a diet
[20:53] <UndiFineD> pancakes every day _kosaidpo
[20:54] <_kosaidpo> UndiFineD: no need fo diet im already slim and i eat a lot with no weight gainin :D
[20:55] <Yorvyk> _kosaidpo, Neither from the few benchmarks I’ve done.
[20:57] <_kosaidpo> Yorvyk: for ex this word bechmarks even i read it a lot  i feel so lazy to go to the dic but i guess its link bugs to fix in the next release or sumthin  (see i told you ) :P
[20:59] <Yorvyk> _kosaidpo, Benchmarks, in computing, are test of how fast things run.
[21:00] <_kosaidpo> Yorvyk: okies thanks for the exp i really do read everytime but never bother to kno


[00:31] <totoro> hi, how can i enable wobbly windows and the 3d window switcher
[00:32] <Sysi> !compiz | totoro
[00:34] <totoro> sysi: i have those already, but it doesn't work
[00:34] <Sysi> have you set those to be in use?
[00:35] <Sysi> with ccsm
[00:35] <totoro> yes, they are in use
[00:35] <totoro> but they don't take effect
[00:35] <Sysi> does any effects work?
[00:36] <totoro> no..
[00:36] <totoro> i have the drivers installed, and it worked fine on gnome, compiz and everything
[00:37] <Sysi> compiz and xfce can be tricky combination
[00:38] <totoro> ah, it takes some editing?
[00:38] <totoro> i'm not sure how to do that...
[00:38] <Sysi> google knows
[00:39] <Sysi> i tried it long enough to see that it won't work with xfwm4 window borders and is irritating to configure
[01:36] <Arpad2> hello
[01:38] <Arpad2> after distro upgrade to lucid, there was a grub upgrade too, with the result that i cant boot win7 with grub. can smb help me with that? thank you for help!
[04:18] <jordan> Does anyone here know what the fourth button on the title bar is called? The one that retracts the window into the tittle bar?
[04:21] <n2diy> jordan, a PITA?
[06:49] <SoBe> hi guys
[06:50] <SoBe> i need help
[06:51] <SoBe> setting up dialup
[06:52] <SoBe> ?????
[06:54] <lighta> ask your question
[06:56] <SoBe> i wanna set up dailup using the instructions that come with xubuntu
[06:56] <SoBe> i got scanmodem
[06:56] <SoBe> but it says i need gedit
[06:57] <SoBe> where should i get that from
[07:02] <SoBe> and when i want to install gnome network admin, theres an error
[07:03] <SoBe> it says "error: dependency is not satisfiable: libiw29 (>= 28+29pre7)"
[07:03] <SoBe> can anybody help me please
[07:04] <pleia2> SoBe: gedit is just a text editor, it should be under Accessories
[07:05] <SoBe> it says i dont have it
[07:05] <pleia2> unfortunately I can't really help with dial-up
[07:06] <SoBe> the only problem is getting gedit and i dont know what that error means
[07:08] <pleia2> libiw29 is a package (http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libiw29), and for some reason you can't get the right version
[07:08] <pleia2> how are you installing gnome network admin?
[07:08] <SoBe> so theres nothing i can do?
[07:08] <SoBe> uhm
[07:09] <SoBe> the installing thing
[07:09] <SoBe> its a .deb so i just double click it and it opens the installation box
[07:09] <SoBe> but the error comes up
[07:10] <SoBe> and i cant install it
[07:12] <pleia2> SoBe: gnome network manager depends on a lot of other things, are you online with this machine?
[07:13] <SoBe> no i use dialup
[07:13] <pleia2> that's going to be tricky then
[07:13] <pleia2> if you really need gnome network manager, there are a lot of packages you need to download and install on the machine
[07:13] <pleia2> including libiw29
[07:14] <SoBe> and i need gnome network manager to use gnome network admin?
[07:14] <pleia2> I think so, I'm not all that familiar with it
[07:15] <SoBe> oh
[07:15] <SoBe> then im screwed
[07:15] <pleia2> is there any way you can get online elsewhere just to download the packages?
[07:15] <SoBe> no its dual booted on my desktop
[07:16] <SoBe> i could use my dad's laptop to get the packages, put em in my usb, and transfer them over
[07:17] <pleia2> yeah, that's really difficult because it depends on a lot of things
[07:17] <SoBe> but until the weekend
[07:17] <SoBe> about how much would that be in size?
[07:17] <pleia2> I'm really not sure
[07:18] <pleia2> sorry :\
[07:18] <SoBe> well my dad has fast internet
[07:18] <SoBe> it wouldnt be too hard to put the files in my usb flash drive
[07:18] <SoBe> then transfer and install
[07:19] <SoBe> by the way im using xubuntu
[07:20] <SoBe> are there links to download these packages?
[07:21] <SoBe> ?
[07:23] <pleia2> SoBe: do you have a regular ubuntu cd? that comes with network manager so you can probably add the cd to synaptic and install it from there
[07:24] <pleia2> unfortunately it's late here, time for me to head to bed
[07:24] <SoBe> yeah i have a regular ubuntu cd
[07:25] <SoBe> what's synaptic?
[07:25] <SoBe> so ubuntu has all the packages?
[07:34] <SoBe> okay
[07:41] <SoBe> alright so can i install gnome network manager from an ubuntu cd using synaptic package manager?
[14:52] <_chris__> how can i connect to a windows share ?
[14:52] <knome> !smb | _chris__
[15:54] <_chris__> heja. i mounted a windows share to my linux , now i want to copy some folders from linux to the windows share. i did it with "cp /folder/ -R /share/ .. now some files and folders have special german chars like 'ä' and when the file/folder arrives on the windows share the names with special chars are pretty fuxxed lol
[15:55] <_chris__> is there a parameter ican add or so to solve this ?
[16:19] <gnomefreak> xubuntu-desktop doesnt like ubuntu-desktop, they should be able to both be installed as it is with everyone other *-desktop
[18:20] <likemindead> Anyone else love the Shiki themes? :D
[18:42] <slow-motion> hi
[19:03] <narfjebus> hi all
[19:05] <narfjebus> i got a very annoying problem, since i installed xubuntu 10.04 on hardware that worked flawlessly with 9.10 and earlies releases, my mouse or keyboard suddenly begin to stutter or stop operation completely
[19:06] <narfjebus> this happens even while there is absolutely no userinteraction with the system and the problem persists until reboot - this is driving me crazy as it may happen several times a day
[19:07] <Sysi> are they wireless, usb or ps2?
[19:08] <narfjebus> the mouse is a wired USB mouse, the keyboard is PS/2
[19:09] <narfjebus> changing USB ports didn't work, btw.
[19:16] <narfjebus> so there's no idea about that odd problem?
[19:19] <narfjebus> hell yeah, it just happened again ...
[19:19] <narfjebus> jesus christ, i'm even thinking of simply installing a MSDNAA Windows 7 :(
[19:39] <likemindead> Xfce isn't notifying me when my battery gets low. :-\
[19:51] <schlaftier> seems his battery's empty... seriously: why do people always leave when I'm about to answer them :(
[23:28] <slow-motion> n8