[00:42] <JontheEchidna> trunk is great, but Konversation keeps loosing its window geometry when I minimize it to tray
[01:33] <ryanakca> Riddell (and whoever else is interested): Where would you like the screenshot block? Leftside bar on front page only? On its own page? Replacing the ``What is kubuntu'' paragraph?
[05:05] <LaserJock> ScottK: happen to be up?
[07:45] <Riddell> ryanakca: left bar leading to its own page?
[07:46] <Riddell> ryanakca: what's in the block?
[13:32] <LimCore> can you take a look?
[13:33] <LimCore> kdesu hangs always ; and is using a qt3 acient lib (wtf)
[13:33] <LimCore> also, QString acts strangelly
[13:33] <LimCore> http://pastebin.com/f58849d3e
[14:11] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/screenshot.png
[14:11] <apachelogger> good old KDE
[14:47] <glade88> is amarok-nightly available via backports repos?
[16:02] <ryanakca> Riddell: http://www.kubuntu-fr.org ... the screenshot viewer.
[16:02]  * ryanakca waves to seele
[16:02]  * ryanakca kicks his tab key, ^seelenn^
[16:03] <^seelenn^> hello ryanakca
[16:04]  * ^seelenn^ wonders if my irc nick is going to cause seele to hate me
[16:05] <ryanakca> Probably... that or you're only going to get half of the messages sent to you when people miss-tab and don't realize it...
[16:05] <DaSkreech> hi ^seelenn^
[16:06] <^seelenn^> hi DaSkreech
[16:06] <^seelenn^> ryanakca: Is there anything I can help out with today?
[16:45] <ryanakca> seezer: back, sorry... Ummm.. Yes...
[16:45] <ryanakca> *sigh*, sorry seezer. ^seelenn^ ^^
[16:47] <^seelenn^> ryanakca: welcome back
[16:47] <^seelenn^> I'll be away for 5 mins, have to start dinner
[16:47] <DaSkreech> Nom nom nom
[16:50] <^seelenn^> ryanakca:
[16:50] <^seelenn^> back
[16:50] <DaSkreech> what?
[16:50] <DaSkreech> I sooooo need you to come make me dinner
[16:51] <^seelenn^> I'm sorry DaSkreech, no can do I'm afraid
[16:51]  * DaSkreech forks ^seelenn^
[16:51] <ryanakca> ^seelenn^: Splendid, lemme get the required screenshot size
[16:54] <DaSkreech> whoooooooooooooooooooooooo
[16:58] <ryanakca> ^seelenn^: ok, looks like it takes screenshots of any size... would you be so kind as to take the screenshots from https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuIntrepidWebsite/KDE4Screenshots and put them in a tarball for me? (Feel free to stick in your own too)
[17:00] <^seelenn^> ryanakca: will do
[17:10] <^seelenn^> ryanakca: the link for Multirows Task Manager and DarkLime GTK are broken
[17:13] <DaSkreech> 160
[17:15] <ryanakca> ^seelenn^: bummer... I guess they can be skipped?
[17:16] <^seelenn^> sure, will do, I've added a few of my own too
[17:20] <^seelenn^> ryanakca: hpw do you want me to give the tarball to you?
[18:31] <DaSkreech> nixternal: What do you like?
[18:44] <DaSkreech> seele: Ping
[19:10] <seele> DaSkreech: pong
[19:14] <DaSkreech> Bah contentless pings
[19:14] <DaSkreech> seele: Ah Right! System Settings
[19:15] <DaSkreech> Should there be a standard for the elevation sequence?
[19:23] <seele> DaSkreech: elevation sequence?
[19:24] <DaSkreech> seele: When a module needs root access
[19:24] <seele> in kde 3 there was an Administrator button
[19:24] <DaSkreech> The three ones I've seen are ask for root as soon as you enter the module, Ask for root when you edit something that needs root acces and upon apply if you need root access ask
[19:25] <seele> i'm not sure if all the modules work like that now, i might remember (incorrectly) that some might ask for the admin password via kdesu
[19:25] <DaSkreech> Yeah that's what I'm seeing
[19:25] <seele> yeah i dunno.. i havent look at it
[19:26] <DaSkreech> seele: Ok well then wider question. Should the experience of something like be tailored more towards uniformity or more towards the needs of the modules ?
[19:27] <un> DaSkreech: i would vote uniform... if the same thing looks different, it throws newbs off...
[19:27] <seele> they should all act the same
[19:27] <seele> but the way they act, i dont know because i havent really looked at it
[19:29] <DaSkreech> seele: Ok cool
[19:29] <DaSkreech> un: I can understand the first two I don't get the last one
[19:40] <un> DaSkreech: ?
[19:40] <DaSkreech> the sequence of events to get root
[19:41] <DaSkreech>  some require you to be root just to get into the module, some only ask for root privis when you edit something that requires root to change and some wait till you hit apply then if you need root to change something ask for it there
[19:42] <un> why should any of the modules apply their settings automatically, why not just wait until 'apply' or 'ok' for permissions...?
[19:42] <DaSkreech> hmm?
[19:43] <un> we are talking about systemsettings modules right?
[19:43] <DaSkreech> Yes
[19:43] <un> why can't all of the modules just ask at the time the actual processing of the configuration in question is taking place...
[19:44] <DaSkreech> Yeah I guess that would be fairly logical
[19:44] <DaSkreech> I get the first one cause I can see a module displaying info that you really should have root privis to see
[19:45] <DaSkreech> So that makes sense
[19:45] <un> :}
[19:45] <DaSkreech> and I can see why you would want to alert the user to find out if they have root privliges before they spend the time to edit something that they may never be able to commit
[19:46] <DaSkreech> the find root on apply goes directly against what I just said
[19:46] <DaSkreech> I just spent 10 minutes tweaking this thing and I can't apply it?? AARRRGHHH!!!
[19:48] <yuriy> anybody know how to start an application with a different color scheme?
[19:48]  * yuriy goes to file a bug in kompare
[19:49] <un> is the bluemarble plasmoid still being polished or is it good to go?
[20:51] <DaSkreech> Should Strigi be enabled by default in Ibex?
[21:11] <un> DaSkreech: i don't know many (new) people who use it... it is rather slow for newbs...
[21:28]  * DaSkreech wants strigi to see success
[21:40] <NCommander> Riddell, ping
[21:45]  * ^seelenn^ has a throbbing brain from the crash course in bzr she's just gone through
[23:45] <Riddell> NCommander: pong


[13:38] <habys> hey folks. Does anyone know if just for one package you can force apt to install from another release? Puppet won't release the jammy version of their arm64 client until much later this year, but the focal release can be manually installed OK.
[13:39] <habys> ah I think I can solve this with pinning. :S I didn't think it would be this easy, sorry for the noise!
[14:45] <esv> wow, wasn't 22.04 released like a year ago?
[14:46] <ravage> it is in the name
[14:48] <esv> right, I am just surprised puppet hasn't released a client for it yet, ARM or not.


[12:15] <Tonio_> yup
[12:16] <Tonio_> but generally you can simply do an apt-get -f install
[12:16] <Tonio_> that suffices most of the time
[12:39] <danimo> why does the "translate this app" entry launch firefox and not the preferred browser as defined in the system settings
[12:39] <danimo> ?
[12:39] <danimo> same for "get online help"
[12:40] <Tonio_> danimo: because it is a bug :)
[12:40] <danimo> Tonio_: known one?
[12:42] <yuriy> is this new kdm theme here to stay?
[12:43] <yuriy> err nvm there's yet another k-d-s update *gotta check that out*
[12:46] <Hobbsee> danimo: er....it's launching in firefox now?
[12:46] <Hobbsee> danimo: there was a bug on it, yeah.  maybe it got fixed
[12:46] <danimo> Hobbsee: well, I am inbetween dapper and edgy on my laptop atm
[12:47] <Hobbsee> danimo: in between?  ouch
[12:47] <danimo> (found time to upgrade it finally)
[12:47] <Hobbsee> danimo: define "in between"
[12:47] <Tonio_> danimo: I don't know
[12:47] <danimo> Hobbsee: as in "setup of packages is still running"
[12:47] <Tonio_> the package is the launchpad integration one, developped by riddell
[12:48] <Hobbsee> danimo: ah right
[12:48] <jjesse_> Hobbsee: saw your testing email so it works :)
[12:48] <Hobbsee> jjesse_: yay!
[01:46] <Tonio_> danimo: ping ?
[01:47] <Tonio_> I have a stupid question but how to extract svn log on kde svn ?
[01:48] <Tonio_> I mean on a subdir of a trunk ?
[01:49] <Tonio_> danimo: forget this, just found :)
[03:19] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Yo yo
[03:19] <DaSkreech> bddebian: Sup?
[03:21] <DaSkreech> I've been gone for about a week what did I miss?
[03:25] <bddebian> Heya DaSkreech
[03:28] <DaSkreech> Whats with all the libmesa updates?
[03:28] <bddebian> dunno
[03:28] <DaSkreech> Font antialising back in vouge?
[04:11] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Awake?
[04:12] <nixternal> ya..backing up this puter...getting ready to wipe it and install edgy on it finally...whats up
[04:12] <crimsun> no, they're necessary for the newer i810 driver
[04:13] <DaSkreech> Nothing much mourning the loss of edgy transactions on my part
[05:11] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Hallo
[05:12] <Hobbsee> hey DaSkreech
[05:13] <DaSkreech>  Did i miss anything?
[05:14] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: sure.  i took over the world in your absense.
[05:14] <DaSkreech> Oh all is good then
[05:14] <Hobbsee> hah
[05:14] <DaSkreech> I recall having this convo last time :)
[05:15] <DaSkreech> your world domination process was started but with your name misspelt ;-)
[05:15] <Hobbsee> haha
[05:15] <Hobbsee> yes
[05:15] <DaSkreech> I'm reviewing the KDE commit digest so I should be good on that front
[05:17] <Hobbsee> ah nice
[05:20] <nixternal> quick question..if i have 1gb+ of memory, do i still do 2x the physical?  i have heard you don't want to go over a certain amount..im setting up this system with edgy
[05:21] <nixternal> oops..just realized i was in devel
[05:22] <Hobbsee> nixternal: @ the email, mine all worked fine - it was just the wrong smtp server that i was using, and bigpond was deciding to be dodgy in what it allowed
[05:22] <nixternal> ahhh
[05:22] <nixternal> im finally installing edgy on my main machine ;)
[05:22] <Hobbsee> nice
[05:22] <nixternal> Hobbsee: that must have been my issue..because i did switch smtp servers as well
[05:23] <Hobbsee> oh, speaking of which, apparently my swap is buggered again
[05:23] <nixternal> how did you manage to do that?
[05:23] <Hobbsee> upgrades
[05:23] <Hobbsee> yep, it's gone
[05:23] <nixternal> lol
[05:24] <nixternal> heh, i just tried to create 2 / directories ;)
[05:25] <Hobbsee> hah
[05:26] <nixternal> hopefully now imbrandon will stop talking smack to me..since i will be edgy all around ;)
[05:27] <ajmitch> nixternal: you don't always need that much swap - I get by with no swap :)
[05:28] <nixternal> ya, i could have done the same..but oh well..2gb of swap if i ever need it
[05:28] <Hobbsee> nixternal: then you can fix it when it breaks
[05:28] <nixternal> how do you break swap?
[05:28] <nixternal> lol
[05:28] <nixternal> i have yet to break it in all my years
[05:29] <nixternal> i can corrupt it, but a reboot always seemed to fix that
[05:29] <Hobbsee> [17179596.620000]  Unable to find swap-space signature
[05:29] <Hobbsee> was the error on boot
[05:29] <nixternal> ewww
[05:29] <nixternal> holy cow...edgy is almost done installing
[05:30] <nixternal> 5 minutes alternate installs..i like that
[05:30] <nixternal> done with the base system in less than 2 minutes
[05:30] <nixternal> oh..i forgot abuot this long part.
[05:36] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ping?
[05:36] <lnxkde> anyone having problems with KDE 3.5.4 ?
[05:36] <Hobbsee> lnxkde: define "problems"
[05:36] <lnxkde> mine ask me to configure the eyecandy setting averytime I load into the system
[05:37] <lnxkde> :(
[05:37] <lnxkde> that is my problem
[05:37] <lnxkde> :(
[05:38] <lnxkde> anyone knows about it?
[05:40] <Hobbsee> lnxkde: that'd be kpersonalizer running on every boot?  there's a bug about that, actually
[05:41] <lnxkde> I can just remove kpersonalizer?
[05:42] <Hobbsee> lnxkde: yep
[05:42] <lnxkde> :D
[05:42] <lnxkde> just doing it with adept :)
[05:43] <lnxkde> thankx
[05:49] <Hobbsee> alleeEdgy32: ping?
[05:53] <Hobbsee> alleeEdgy32: is kdelibs-bin getting merged into kdelibs4c2a in debian too, or do i need to merge knemo?
[05:54] <Hobbsee> hmm.  it's not in unstable at all
[05:55] <Hobbsee> alleeEdgy32: right.  knemo needs a dep of kdelibs-bin removed.  then we can sync ubuntu's
[05:57] <Hobbsee> seeing as kdelibs-bin isnt in unstable either
[06:10] <nixternal> ati drivers aren't working for 7.1 yet are they?
[06:10] <nixternal> i should say fglrx drivers
[06:11] <nixternal> actually..that would be great question for ubuntu+1 ;)
[06:20] <nixternal> hey, usplash is whicked hosed
[06:29] <seaLne> i thought i read something about ati releasing them
[06:31] <nixternal> i know ati released binaries..but ididn't know if they were added to xorg yet
[06:31] <seaLne> ah you mean packaged? no idea
[06:33] <nixternal> i don't want to do binaries with edgy..considering the amount of kernel changes a week that go on
[06:33] <nixternal> i would be a rebuilding fool
[06:42] <seaLne> i can't decide wether to buy an ati card or not after the recent stuff, but afaik the radeon driver works really well with a lot of the cards
[06:42] <seaLne> and for dual head matrox and nvidia are worse for nasty drivers
[07:16] <nixternal> imbrandon: ping?
[08:57] <danimo> moin!
[08:58] <danimo> dpkg: error processing python2.3 (--remove):
[08:58] <danimo>  subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
[08:58] <danimo> how can I force dpkg to continue despite that failure?
[08:58] <danimo> something messed up with the python packages quite badly
[09:00] <Hobbsee> hi danimo
[09:01] <danimo> heya Hobbsee!
[09:01] <seaLne> apt-get -f install
[09:01] <danimo> doesn't work
[09:01] <seaLne> the thing with confiure and -a
[09:01] <danimo> ?
[09:01] <seaLne> i can never remember it
[09:01] <Hobbsee> dpkg --configure -a?
[09:01] <danimo> nope
[09:02] <danimo> does nothing
[09:02] <seaLne> Hobbsee: yeah that
[09:02] <seaLne> danimo: strange
[09:02] <danimo> the problem is that that python claims it cannot find the python 2.3 installation, although it's there
[09:02] <seaLne> isn't 2.3 pretty old?
[09:03] <danimo> yes, I had 2.3 installed along with 2.4 for some reason
[09:07] <seaLne> dpkg -e python2.3 ?
[09:07] <seaLne> maybe it will do it on its own
[09:08] <danimo> seaLne: it's -r now
[09:08] <danimo> and no, it doesn't work, that's where the above output comes from
[09:09] <danimo> damn it
[09:10] <Hobbsee> danimo: can you force other packages around it?
[09:10] <danimo> how so?
[09:11] <danimo> pycentral: pycentral rtremove: installed runtime python2.3 not found
[09:11] <danimo> pycentral rtremove: installed runtime python2.3 not found
[09:11] <danimo> that's the error leading to the problem
[09:13] <ajmitch> yeah, annoying problem, worked around easily
[09:13] <danimo> ajmitch: do tell :)
[09:13] <ajmitch> for a quick workaround, edit /usr/share/python/debian_defaults
[09:14] <ajmitch> supported-versions = python2.4
[09:14] <ajmitch> change to python2.4, python2.3
[09:14] <ajmitch> remove python2.3
[09:14] <ajmitch> revert your change :)
[09:14] <danimo> great ! :)
[09:15] <danimo> work
[09:15] <danimo> s
[09:16] <danimo> ok, so here we go again :)
[09:17] <danimo> btw: are you guys serious about the colors in the new kde theme? :)
[09:19] <Hobbsee> danimo: i doubt it'd look quite like that
[09:19] <danimo> Hobbsee: I can see how you can bear it, I for one hardly can :)
[09:20] <Hobbsee> danimo: heh.  it doesnt look *that* bad
[09:20] <Hobbsee> besides, its' an experiment
[09:20] <danimo> I know :)
[09:20] <danimo> still. let me say this...
[09:21] <danimo> don't!
[09:21] <danimo> ;)
[09:21] <Hobbsee> danimo: i'm not a core dev - i cant choose what they put in :P
[09:21] <danimo> Hobbsee: wasn't directed towards you
[09:22] <Hobbsee> danimo: true that
[09:22] <Hobbsee> tonio was discussing it yesterday
[09:22] <danimo> but kwwii is not around, so I had to bitch at the channel in general :)
[09:22] <Hobbsee> heh
[09:22] <danimo> can't help it :)
[09:23] <Hobbsee> danimo: i thought that was my right!
[09:23] <danimo> Hobbsee: what? to be blamed by default? :)
[09:23] <Hobbsee> danimo: no, to bitch about things.
[09:24] <danimo> Hobbsee: yeah but that's in no way exclusive
[09:24] <Hobbsee> hah
[09:24] <ajmitch> poor me
[09:24] <danimo> Hobbsee: see the less you are involved, the nicer one can bitch. and you are in waayy to deep ;)
[09:24] <ajmitch> I always get blamed
[09:24] <ajmitch> and I'm not involved at all!
[09:24] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: of course.  poor you.  remind me to poke your ribs the next time i see you.
[09:25] <Hobbsee> danimo: point.
[09:25] <ajmitch> whenever that may be
[09:25] <Hobbsee> danimo: i have a different way of bitching - just not backing down :P
[09:25] <danimo> Hobbsee: sure thing :)
[09:25] <danimo> damn I have to get to uni
[09:26] <Hobbsee> enjoy :)
[09:26] <danimo> Hobbsee: in half an hour :)
[09:26] <Hobbsee> ouch
[09:26] <ajmitch> poor Hobbsee  ;)
[09:26] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: very.  want to go to work for me?
[09:26] <ajmitch> nah
[09:26] <Hobbsee> :(
[09:27] <ajmitch> when will you poke me next? LCA?
[09:27] <Hobbsee> dunno
[09:31] <Lathiat> blasphemy
[09:32] <Hobbsee> hi Lathiat
[09:33] <Riddell> hi all
[09:34] <danimo> hi Riddell
[09:34] <danimo> Riddell: so what about the kdm theme? :)
[09:35] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell!
[09:37] <Riddell> danimo: what about it?
[09:37] <danimo> Riddell: it's... purple
[09:37] <Riddell> mmm, purple
[09:37] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[09:38] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it does look a bit weird at the moment though
[09:38] <nixternal> Hobbsee: http://buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/images/konvo1.png
[09:38] <Riddell> it doesn't match the ksplash of course
[09:38] <nixternal> purple, gears, konvo with a tree...im lovin' this stuff ;)
[09:38] <Hobbsee> Riddell: true that
[09:39] <Hobbsee> nixternal: nice
[09:39] <Riddell> nixternal: where did thekono gears come from?
[09:39] <Riddell> konvo
[09:39] <nixternal> i made um
[09:41] <nixternal> would be nice if i could have used transparency with them..but i had to fake it by using the background color in the graphic..and it repeated it..but i still like it
[09:41] <nixternal> i could probably even tone down the gear a little bit more, but as it stands it doesn't conflict with the text
[09:42] <danimo> netsplit!
[09:43] <Hobbsee> yay...
[09:45] <nixternal> that was neat
[09:45] <Hobbsee> not often that sterling splits...
[09:45] <nixternal> ahh. so that is what i was part of?
[09:46] <nixternal> i hate when they play with my emotions like that ;)
[09:46] <sebas> At least that shows sterling is only human, too.
[09:46] <nixternal> hehe
[09:46] <Hobbsee> heh
[09:47] <insanekane> hi Hobbsee
[09:47] <Hobbsee> hey insanekane
[09:47] <Hobbsee> danimo: nice :)
[09:47] <sebas> danimo: In your life?
[09:47] <danimo> yay for oversleeping fellow students :)
[09:48] <insanekane> sebas: :)
[09:48] <danimo> sebas: no, before wandering off to a learning session
[09:48] <sebas> THan that's good news.
[09:48] <danimo> right :)
[09:48] <Hobbsee> bye all.  time for work
[09:48] <Hobbsee> wb Riddell
[09:48] <sebas> ade probably said today "yay for oversleeping colleague sebas"
[09:48] <sebas> Hobbsee: hf
[09:49] <Hobbsee> sebas: hf?  oh, have fun?
[09:49] <danimo> sebas: hehe
[09:49] <sebas> yay
[09:49] <danimo> sebas: you overslept?
[09:49] <sebas> Sort of.
[09:49] <Hobbsee> sebas: i should.  there shouldnt be sleazes around tonight, so it should be okay
[09:49] <sebas> I could've been woken up earlier, but went to bed after three.
[09:49] <Hobbsee> hah
[09:49] <Hobbsee> oops :P
[09:49] <sebas> Port wine addiction :>
[09:50] <fritsch> sebas: did you try to port wine, the emulator *G* or drank to much?
[09:51] <sebas> fritsch: Not to much, but too long, actually. Only three glasses though
[09:52] <fritsch> sebas: hehe
[09:52] <fritsch> sebas: in germany in the winter there comes the famous "glhwein" to the supermarkets, 1,5l for just 2 euro
[09:53] <sebas> The good thing about port wine is that the bottle can stay open, so you don't *need* to finish it at once.
[09:53] <sebas> That translates to "there's always a bottle of port open", lowers the barrier of having one.
[09:54] <fritsch> sebas: yes, know the problem just have to "wastebin" a very good "weissherbst" i started some time ago
[09:54] <sebas> Ouch.
[09:55] <fritsch> Is there already something in progress for the "multimedia keys" of laptops?
[09:56] <fritsch> acpi makes an event ein acpi_fakekey generates a button press
[09:56] <fritsch> but kmilo for exampe only works for IBM and vajo?
[09:58] <danimo> bbl
[09:59] <Riddell> fritsch: yes, lure and me have modified the generic kmilo plugin to use the keys generated by acpi
[10:00] <fritsch> Riddell: very cool, can I backport this plugin to dapper?
[10:00] <fritsch> Riddell: a friend of mine has a Asus, he could test it
[10:01] <fritsch> Riddell: i try backporting ...
[10:03] <fritsch> Riddell: do i have to rebuild kdeutils? or is there a simplier way?
[10:04] <Riddell> it should compile against kde 3.5.4 fin
[10:04] <fritsch> Riddell: okay, i will try, reporting back later
[10:05] <Lure> fritsch: there is an update pending - current solution did not work with kxkb switching layouts
[10:05] <Lure> fritsch: I can send you the patches (kdebase + kdeutils)
[10:05] <Lure> fritsch: I hope they will be in Edgy soon (pending Riddell's review)
[10:06] <fritsch> Lure: this would be fine. but just rebuilding the edgy packages NOW is not good?
[10:07] <fritsch> Lure: mmmh have to rebuild kdebase, too
[10:07] <Lure> fritsch: it works if you do not change layout (with kcontrol applet or kxkb tray icon)
[10:08] <fritsch> Lure: okay, so i just tell him NOT to do
[10:08] <fritsch> Lure: but, if i build your patches? this is fine? but i have to rebuild kdebase?
[10:08] <Lure> fritsch: yes - they can fix it with simple run of "xmodmap /usr/share/apps/kmilo/ubuntu.xmodmap"
[10:09] <fritsch> Lure: if he knows the fix, fine
[10:09] <fritsch> Lure: will there any chance, that this will also backported to edgy? officially?
[10:09] <Lure> fritsch: new patches have moved xmodmap stuff to Xsession startup and after setxkbmap called by kxkb - this is why they had to be moved to kdebase
[10:09] <fritsch> Lure: sorry backported to dapper, i mean
[10:10] <Lure> fritsch: you mean dapper? I doubt, unless Riddell plans to put newer KDE in dapper backports (3.5.4/3.5.5)
[10:10] <fritsch> Lure: :-( - but i try with the "rebuild" version of kdeutils
[10:11] <fritsch> Lure: if he can see graphical progress while switching brightness and volume this is perfectly fine
[10:11] <fritsch> Lure: thank you very much
[10:11] <Lure> fritsch: volume will work for sure, brightness I am not sure (as my laptop does not have SW control over brightness) - I think Riddell tested this
[10:12] <Lure> fritsch: volume works even today on dapper with simple xmodmap workaround
[10:12] <fritsch> Lure: what is the workaround?
[10:12] <fritsch> Lure: i get an acpi fake key, yes
[10:13] <fritsch> Lure: but have to "mod" it on something, so that the brightnis controll in kde works with graphic display
[10:13] <fritsch> Lure: without is just made an amixer script
[10:15] <Lure> fritsch: copy http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21267 to <file> and then run "xmodmap <file>"
[10:15] <fritsch> okay
[10:15] <allee> Lure: I'll test your new debs when back at work (tonight, tommorow). I'm at home and have only dapper
[10:15] <Lure> fritsch: then run this on X/kde startup (~/.kdeAutostart, Xsession)
[10:16] <Lure> allee: thanks
[10:16] <fritsch> Lure: okay
[10:17] <allee> Lure: do you know if there are any plans with the Keysym that have no common keycode (like XF86Terminal etc)
[10:17] <allee> imbrandon: hi
[10:17] <Lure> allee: not sure - you would have to talk with sladen oj mjg59
[10:17] <Lure> s/oj/or/
[10:18] <imbrandon> checking the logs from name hilights i think my name was said in #debian (oftc) more the last night than in the last 3 weeks , even if it was from only a spammer hehehe
[10:18] <allee> Lure: ok, I'll ping them in u-d
[10:37] <fritsch> Lure: thx  very much, working perfectly fine
[10:37] <Lure> fritsch: great
[12:12] <Riddell> abattoir: ping ping, e-mail going your way
[12:13] <abattoir> Riddell: ok... not yet got it though :)
[12:13] <abattoir> Riddell: may i change the link in the wiki to point to the bzr branch?
[12:31] <Tonio_> Lure: hey, uvf exception request is ready for knm
[12:31] <Tonio_> hi everyone
[12:34] <fdoving> hi tonio.
[12:34] <Tonio_> fdoving: heya
[12:38] <Riddell> abattoir: please do
[12:39] <Riddell> abattoir: got e-mail yet?
[12:47] <abattoir> Riddell: no, havent got it
[12:50] <Riddell> abattoir: ok.  set         grep -q "^$1 " /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED   in /usr/lib/oem-config/language/localechooser-wrapper
[12:50] <Riddell> in supported()
[12:50] <Riddell> then you can use the new localechooser-data
[12:50] <abattoir> Riddell: ok... and the tzsetup not found error also vanishes?
[12:51] <Riddell> nope, but I have that too..
[12:51] <Riddell> and the end of run() add
[12:51] <Riddell>                     else:
[12:51] <Riddell>                         curr = self.get_current_step()
[12:51] <Riddell>                         self.userinterface.widgetStack.raiseWidget(WIDGET_STACK_STEPS[curr] +1)
[12:51] <Riddell>                         self.set_current_page()
[12:51] <Riddell> and remove raiseWidget from on_forward_clicked
[12:52] <Riddell> abattoir: the timezone question doesn't need to be asked if you choose e.g. UK which only has 1 timezone
[12:52] <abattoir> Riddell: so it should automatically skip to the 'user setup' page... right?
[12:53] <Riddell> yes
[12:54] <abattoir> Riddell: ok.. and the backend supports that?
[12:54] <imbrandon> Riddell: should we upload simes patches ? they seem to be working reasonably well  ( the only bugs are bugs that were there before the patches as far as i can tell and from any feedback so far )
[12:54] <imbrandon> also did you grab kmformatter , if so i'll archive it on REVU
[12:55] <imbrandon> woot my package got uploaded to unstable, i can sync soon ;)
[12:55] <nixternal> talk about pain...im skipping the gym this morning
[12:55] <Riddell> imbrandon: yes, thanks for reminding me, I'll do that in a bit
[12:56] <Riddell> imbrandon: what's the URL again?
[12:56] <imbrandon> Riddell: np for simes patches or kmformat
[12:56] <imbrandon> heh
[12:56] <imbrandon> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2912 <- kmformat
[01:01] <Riddell> imbrandon: and sime's patches?
[01:02] <imbrandon> ... one sec
[01:02] <imbrandon> http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/packages/simes-patches/
[01:02] <imbrandon> the debs in one dir , the other two source in their own dirs
[01:04] <imbrandon> i included the patch files in the top level dir incase anyone wanted to look at them by them selfs but the digg.gz and .dsc etc are all there
[01:04] <imbrandon> s/digg/diff
[01:10] <abattoir> Riddell: does the backend support skipping of timezone if its not necessary?
[01:10] <abattoir> Riddell: because if it does, i wonder why i overlooked it
[01:11] <abattoir> or rather how i overlooked it
[01:40] <abattoir> Riddell: ok, i see that making the change you asked me to skips the timezone step if it isn't needed :)
[01:40] <abattoir> Riddell: do you get an endless loop for the user step too?
[01:42] <abattoir> Riddell: ok, i take back the first statement....
[01:42] <nixternal> has there been any major changes with Ubiquity or the alternate install version between 6.06 and 6.10?
[01:43] <imbrandon> nixternal: yes and yes
[01:44] <nixternal> how major?
[01:44] <nixternal> visual, not really, im guessing behind the scenes type stuff
[01:57] <Tonio_> heya again
[01:57] <Tonio_> Lure: fonts should render correctly now onnew profiles
[01:57] <Tonio_> if you wanna get normal fonts, change hint settings to full
[01:58] <Tonio_> that'll give the normal appearance
[01:58] <Lure> Tonio_: good. BTW, your printer in system menu fix removed printers also from Systems Settings... :-(
[01:58] <Tonio_> Lure: hum, sucking
[01:59] <Tonio_> the point is "how could it work before" ?
[01:59] <Tonio_> I don't understand
[01:59] <Tonio_> there is I beleive a way to only display a thing in systemsettings
[01:59] <Tonio_> let me check
[01:59] <Tonio_> that'll be fixed in an hour
[01:59] <Tonio_> Lure: wanna test new knm ?
[01:59] <Lure> Tonio_: no time - but fine to do in the evening at home
[02:00] <Tonio_> I think I have to add x-kde-settings in the desktop file or something
[02:00] <Tonio_> Lure: okay ;)
[02:00] <Tonio_> Lure: one painly missing thing in systemsettings is kwallet
[02:00] <Tonio_> we should add it in advanced at least
[02:01] <Tonio_> HOMYGOD !!!!!!!!
[02:01] <Tonio_> kopete fonts are now normal ??????????? !!!!!!
[02:01] <Tonio_> 2 years I reported that bug and now it's gone :)
[02:04] <fdoving> let's celebrate with more coffee! :)
[02:06] <Riddell> abattoir: no I don't
[02:08] <Tonio_> Lure: I'll correct the printers.desktop file
[02:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: hey ! arrived in wiesbaden ?
[02:08] <abattoir> Riddell: ^^^ that's for whether you get an endless loop?
[02:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: conerning lure's email (laptop buttons) would you be okay for an upload ?
[02:11] <Riddell> abattoir: no endless loop, filling in user page and clicking Forward gives me an encoding error
[02:11] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, I'm in wiesbaden
[02:11] <Riddell> Tonio_: I've not seen lure's e-mail
[02:12] <Riddell> ah, here it is
[02:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: it contains a debdiff for kdebase, but I don't want to do anything without your approval reguarding to this, since I wasn't involved in the spec
[02:12] <abattoir> Riddell: ok... that could be because i dont have the latest packages(including localechooser-data)... i'
[02:12] <abattoir> i'll upgrade onw
[02:12] <abattoir> *now
[02:13] <Riddell> Tonio_: there's also Sime's patches to upload so I can do those together
[02:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure
[02:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: once that done, I will have to provide another little patch for the printers.desktop file, to hide it from kmenu but display it is systemsettings
[02:14] <Tonio_> I missed that part with latest patch
[02:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: I also noticed knetworkmanager isn't on the dapper installation cd.... shouldn't we change this for edgy ?
[02:15] <Tonio_> it is a pain to install a laptop if you only have a wpa acces point available
[02:17] <Riddell> ship: * network-manager-kde
[02:17] <Riddell> hmm, we renamed that
[02:17] <Riddell> Tonio_: you're a core dev, you can edit the seeds :)
[02:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes but I don't know howto :)
[02:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: there was a post to ubuntu-devel-announce about it (2 actually)
[02:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will look at it
[02:19] <Tonio_> the point is network-manager-kde isn't a package, it is only "provided" by the knm package...
[02:19] <Tonio_> isn't that the reason it doesn't work ?
[02:19] <nixternal> Riddell: you know how for instance, dapper had KubuntuDapperKnownProblems on the wiki, should I go ahead and create one for KubuntuEdgyKnownProblems as well?  this way here I can get the links correct for documentation prior to our freeze?  unless you already have a known problems page up for edgy
[02:22] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperKnownProblems    for reference
[02:23] <Riddell> nixternal: generally I've done a KnownProblems for each release, so KubuntuEdgyBetaKnownProblems or something
[02:23] <Riddell> it might be an idea to just have one for all edgy so we can tick them off as they get fixed
[02:23] <nixternal> so go with KubuntuEdgyKnownProblems then, and we can create headings for Knot1, Knot2, and so on, x'ing them out as we go along?
[02:30] <Riddell> nixternal: please
[02:31] <nixternal> got it ;)
[02:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: ho, just fyi, fonts aren't fuzzy anymore, I switched the settings back to the "normal" dapper rendering
[02:42] <Hobbsee> hi again all
[02:42] <Tonio_> hey Hobbsee
[02:42] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_ :)
[02:43] <Riddell> Tonio_: are they as good as in dapper?
[02:43] <Riddell> Tonio_: what's up with lipstick?
[02:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: transparency issue, let me show you a screenshot
[02:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://planetemu.net/temp/capture1.png
[02:45] <Hobbsee> ahh yes...
[02:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: I personnaly switched to plastik, because both are clones except the kicker separator
[02:45] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: does that fix itself when you killall kicker && kicker?
[02:45] <Tonio_> maybe we can globally switch, I don't know
[02:45] <Tonio_> that wouldn't change kubuntu a lot to switch
[02:46] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: nope, no way to fix it for me
[02:46] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ah okay
[02:46] <Tonio_> I would personnaly vote for a switch to plastik, but I can't decide this myself :)
[02:47] <Tonio_> we don't have enough time to switch so little things... so if there is a quick and nice workarround, I think it is better going that way
[02:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: any opinion ?
[02:47] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: we do since breezy I think
[02:48] <Riddell> I'm sure I've seen that happen but never cared enough to consider it a problem
[02:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning fonts, yes, exactly the same renderring as in dapper, the only think is I don't think that will apply on existing profiles, since the "hint" value has to be changed...
[02:49] <Tonio_> I did it in kds for new profiles and installation
[02:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: well, reguarding to polishing, that's an issue, although it is a very little one :)
[02:50] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ping?
[02:50] <Tonio_> the lipstik issue appeared with kde 3.5.3
[02:51] <Hobbsee> can someone help me out here?
[02:51] <Hobbsee> [22:49]  <sebr> Hobbsee, are you responsible for amarok packages on ubuntu?
[02:51] <Hobbsee> [22:49]  <Hobbsee> sebr: these ones, yes
[02:51] <Hobbsee> [22:49]  <sebr> do you compile with internal or external mp4 tag reading?
[02:51] <Hobbsee> imbrandon's machine is botched.
[02:52] <Riddell> Tonio_: knetworkanger approved by matt I see, I'm happy with it too
[02:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: great, 3 approvals needed for upload I think no ?
[02:57] <Riddell> Tonio_: no, just Matt
[02:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: cool, uploading then :)
[02:58] <Riddell> close the bug when you're done
[02:58] <Hobbsee> yay, please let this include the fix to the bug of forgotten passphrases
[02:59] <imbrandon> heh its not botched, i just turned off access to the outside world for a while
[02:59] <Tonio_> argh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:59] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: pong ;)
[02:59] <Tonio_> I just deleted my profile and lost my key......... it is in the paris machine now............;
[02:59] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: when does enterprise get fixed?
[02:59] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: *ouch*
[02:59] <Hobbsee> better rescue it....
[03:00] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: its been fixed for 24~ hours i've just been lazy and havent opened the ports back up on the router
[03:00] <imbrandon> heh
[03:00] <imbrandon> brb one sec
[03:00] <Tonio_> I though I had a backup on my webserver, but I forgot to upload it after the ISP change.......
[03:00] <Tonio_> grmpf
[03:00] <Riddell> that sounds like an India Jones adventure "the bug of forgotten passphrases"
[03:00] <imbrandon> LOL
[03:01] <Tonio_> hehe
[03:01] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: right.  well, i'd like ssh access back, or else we dont get kubuntu 1.4.2 packages.  is that a good enough incentive hehe?
[03:01] <Hobbsee> Riddell: lol!!
[03:01] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: give me ~10 minutes
[03:02] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: cool, okay
[03:02] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: the point is I could power up my machine locally with my phone, using a modem
[03:02] <Tonio_> but it is unplugued now since I'm leaving my appartment......
[03:02] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: the amarok devs are wanting to know how we compile amarok - ie, with which support, etc
[03:02] <imbrandon> omg Riddell did you see apachelogger's post on planet.k.o ? hahaha too funny
[03:02] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: if you want to help out on that, that'd be cool
[03:02] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i dont think it's hit rss feeds yet :(
[03:02] <Tonio_> s/locally/remotely
[03:02] <imbrandon> arg i'm at my chan limit
[03:03] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: http://apachelog.blogspot.com/2006/08/dublin-something-to-look-fwd.html
[03:03] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: in #amarok ?
[03:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: knm upload will have to wait a bit
[03:06] <Tonio_> does someone know a good undelete program for ext3 ?
[03:07] <Riddell> which files?
[03:07] <omeow> http://omeow.ath.cx/grmbl.log
[03:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: my .gnupg folder
[03:09] <omeow> What's going on in my log? I have no idea what I should do.
[03:09] <Tonio_> I accidentally deleted it, and my backup is on a shutdowned machine 400 km from here........
[03:09] <fdoving> you can't undelete.
[03:09] <Tonio_> it looks like ext3 is a bit anti-undelete
[03:09] <omeow> What do all these warnings mean? Are they harmful to my system? Why doesn't apt tell me?
[03:09] <Tonio_> fdoving: yes I can see this, this is a real issue with ext3
[03:10] <Tonio_> ext2 allows this easlly
[03:10] <fdoving> http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/FAQs/ext3-faq.html
[03:10] <Tonio_> okay, I can't upload anything on ubuntu for at least one week........
[03:11] <Tonio_> nice.....;
[03:12] <imbrandon> Tonio_: ouch , well if its universe poke me i'll be happy in the meantime
[03:12] <Tonio_> imbrandon: thanks :)
[03:13] <Tonio_> in fact I have backups of my key on usb key, cds, webserver and backup computer
[03:13] <Tonio_> the problem is everything is packed because of my appartment leaving......
[03:13] <imbrandon> ouch
[03:13] <imbrandon> yea i keep a cd and usb key
[03:13] <imbrandon> of mine
[03:14] <imbrandon> i need to find someone in KC in the trusted web
[03:14] <Tonio_> imbrandon: the point is just I forgot to take my usb key :)
[03:14] <Hobbsee> hmmm.  yes, i should backup my new key.
[03:23] <Tonio_> and I'm shiting on ext3 once again
[03:23] <Tonio_> :)
[03:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: drive to Weisbaden, plenty of us to sign your key here
[03:31] <Riddell> kwwii just arrived
[03:31] <Hobbsee> nice
[03:31] <imbrandon> Riddell: fly me out there ;)
[03:31] <imbrandon> hehe
[03:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe, a bit far but I'll think about it
[03:36] <fritsch> Riddell: when will you be in Wiesbaden?
[03:36] <Riddell> fritsch: I am now
[03:36] <fritsch> Riddell: it  not far from where i live, I could join - if there is somtehing to do
[03:36] <fritsch> Riddell: wargh! cool
[03:36] <fritsch> Riddell: what is going on there?
[03:37] <Riddell> fritsch: sure come along, we're not doing anything specific just hacking ubuntu as normal
[03:38] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuDeveloperSprintWiesbaden
[03:38] <fritsch> Riddell: how long do you stay there?
[03:38] <fritsch> I have a look
[03:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm trying to "string" the hard drive to extract the files....... might take a while but can work
[03:38] <Riddell> until saturday
[03:39] <fritsch> I`ll join Wednesday, have to help a guy tomorrow
[03:39] <fritsch> this sound very cool
[03:40] <fritsch> Riddell: you are the whole day in this hotel?
[03:40] <Riddell> yes
[03:40] <seaLne> Tonio_: ping
[03:40] <Riddell> they don't let us out
[03:40] <fritsch> Riddell: cool ;-) see you Wednesday
[03:40] <Tonio_> seaLne: pong ?
[03:41] <seaLne> Tonio_: do you think your change to k3b could have caused bug #57087 not that i can reproduce it
[03:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57087 in k3b "k3bsetup2 missing in edgy (0.12.16-1ubuntu2)" [Untriaged,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57087
[03:41] <Tonio_> seaLne: let me check...
[03:42] <seaLne> also you never cleaned up before creating your diff :)
[03:42] <Tonio_> seaLne: looks like the binary is "k3bsetup" not k3bsetup2
[03:42] <seaLne> k3bsetup is a shell script
[03:42] <Tonio_> but I don't think toma's patch could change this
[03:42] <seaLne> no me neither
[03:42] <Tonio_> seaLne: "binary" means "executable" :)
[03:42] <Tonio_> can you launch it within k3b ?
[03:43] <Tonio_> advanced options
[03:43] <Hobbsee> it *is* exectuable, isnt it?
[03:43] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: sure it is
[03:43] <seaLne> yeah
[03:43] <seaLne> Tonio_: i have no problems with k3b
[03:43] <Hobbsee> just checking :P
[03:43] <Tonio_> seaLne: kdesu kcmshell k3bsetup2
[03:43] <Tonio_> that works
[03:44] <Tonio_> I don't see any bug here, everything is normal
[03:44] <seaLne> yep and clicking on it at startup and from the menu works
[03:44] <Tonio_> seaLne: so what is the bug ? :)
[03:44] <seaLne> pebkac?
[03:45] <Tonio_> everything seems okay to me
[03:45] <Tonio_> k3bsetup2 has been an executable in the past ?
[03:45] <Tonio_> to me it has always been a kcmshell extension
[03:46] <seaLne> hm no idea, what i ment earlier was k3bsetup is a shell script but k3bsetup2 is c++
[03:46] <Tonio_> seaLne: since the module is in the package, I don't see the point
[03:47] <Tonio_> seaLne: tell him to use gnomebacker :)
[03:47] <Tonio_> I really don't want to install ubuntu/gnome and remove kde to reproduce, honnestly
[03:48] <bddebian> Hello
[03:48] <seaLne> heh
[03:50] <Tonio_> hey bddebian
[03:50] <bddebian> Hi Tonio_, seaLne
[03:52] <seaLne> lo
[04:28] <danimo> heya
[04:28] <Hobbsee> boo
[04:28] <danimo> Hobbsee: I survived the edgy upgrade :)
[04:28] <Tonio_> hey danimo :)
[04:28] <danimo> but not without pain
[04:28] <Tonio_> did the upgrade finish correctly ? :)
[04:28] <Hobbsee> danimo: yay :)
[04:28] <danimo> sort of
[04:28] <Hobbsee> yeah, well
[04:28] <Tonio_> cool
[04:28] <danimo> dvt-t stick is broken
[04:28] <Tonio_> danimo: how about ^e ?
[04:29] <danimo> seems it doesn't like thr firmware anymore
[04:29] <danimo> Tonio_: ^e :(
[04:29] <danimo> only in kde though
[04:29] <freeflying_> Riddell: ping
[04:29] <Riddell> hi freeflying_
[04:29] <freeflying_> Riddell: need you sponsor again :)
[04:29] <Riddell> sure
[04:30] <danimo> Tonio_: and I definately use nodeadkey
[04:30] <Hobbsee> freeflying_: transparency in konsole not working is linked to having skim installed and running - any idea why?
[04:30] <Tonio_> danimo: so you can type it correctly ?
[04:30] <danimo> Tonio_: not in kde apps
[04:31] <freeflying_> Riddell: thanks, scim-chewing-0.3.1 need upgrades in dapper. I'll mail you later
[04:31] <danimo> so I can reproduce your problem
[04:31] <freeflying_> Hobbsee: not yet, I can not even reproduce it
[04:31] <Tonio_> danimo: ah !
[04:31] <Hobbsee> freeflying_: okay
[04:31] <Tonio_> danimo: how about pure qt apps like opera ?
[04:32] <danimo> neither
[04:32] <Tonio_> danimo: doesn't work here too, so I would blame qt in the first place
[04:32] <danimo> so who do I blame for non-working dvb-t drivers?
[04:32] <Tonio_> danimo: Riddell !!!
[04:32] <Tonio_> ^^
[04:33] <Hobbsee> danimo: blame Tonio_.  he's a good target.
[04:33] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: not now since I don't have my gpg key :)
[04:33] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: not dangerous anymore hehe
[04:33] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: heh.  good point
[04:34] <Riddell> danimo: sounds like a linux issue, blame benc
[04:34] <danimo> Hobbsee, Tonio_: let me rephrase: who will fix it ? :)
[04:35] <Riddell> danimo: report a bug, ben is usually responsive
[04:35] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ie, blame "anyone else except for me"
[04:36] <Tonio_> danimo: no idea....
[04:37] <Tonio_> danimo: not me for sure :)
[04:40] <danimo> Riddell: ok
[04:59] <danimo> _Sime: ping?
[05:04] <Tonio_> Lure: did you test the fonts with latest kds ? version 11 should be on the repos now
[05:04] <danimo> Riddell: filed
[05:05] <danimo>  #57111
[05:06] <Tonio_> we should create a wiki page in the next days with prior bug to be fixed
[05:06] <Tonio_> 10 or 20 biggest issues
[05:07] <danimo> Tonio_: this isn't one of them I guess then
[05:08] <Tonio_> danimo: certainly
[05:11] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: :(  i'd do it for you, but i cant either
[05:12] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: in a few month you would be coredev probably
[05:12] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yeah, maybe, if i go for it again?
[05:12] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: did you already try ?
[05:12] <Tonio_> why "again" ?
[05:12] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yeah
[05:12] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: was too close to going for MOTU.  *shrugs*
[05:13] <Hobbsee> of course, the annoying thing is that i could have had core now, if i'd gone for MOTU a few months ago
[05:13] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes you probably should 2 month
[05:13] <Hobbsee> but it doesnt really matter - main stuff is frozen atm anyway
[05:13] <Tonio_> should be okay for edgy +1
[05:13] <Hobbsee> well, frozen past mdz, anyway
[05:14] <Tonio_> look at me I have wait 8 month for MOTU and 6 month for coredev :)
[05:14] <Tonio_> _Sime: I was looking at guidance powermanager icons, they are 24
[05:14] <Tonio_> for correct appearance in systray, they should be 22
[05:15] <danimo> unless one likes to play games with 3 variables
[05:15] <Lure> Tonio_: icons for guidance pm are from gnome - still need kwwii to look into them
[05:15] <Tonio_> _Sime: since I can't do anything before I get my gnupg backup, would you like me to work on those to resize them ?
[05:15] <Tonio_> Lure: well resizing is easy, I can do it myself
[05:15] <Riddell> hmm yes, where is kwwii
[05:15] <Riddell> I suspect he's gone to sleep
[05:15] <Tonio_> kwwii already has so many things to do
[05:15] <Lure> Tonio_: yes, but we do not want gnome icons...
[05:15] <Tonio_> unless he wants to do his own icons
[05:16] <Tonio_> Lure: hehe, yes that makes sense
[05:16] <Lure> Tonio_: and Riddell does not like klaptopdaemon/kpowersave icons either
[05:16] <Hobbsee> they're still better than the gnome ones.  could do with some work too though
[05:16] <Tonio_> Lure: hum, I like the kpowersave ones
[05:16] <Lure> Riddell: thanks for kdebase/kdeutils upload!
[05:16] <Tonio_> same than klaptop but colors are nicer
[05:16] <Lure> Tonio_: me also (at least better than gnome)
[05:17] <Tonio_> Lure: sure
[05:17] <Tonio_> toma: ping ?
[05:18] <Tonio_> toma: I will need your help once again (and again !!)
[05:18] <Hobbsee> [01:17]  [Whois]  toma has been idle for 7 hours, 33 minutes, and 11 seconds.
[05:18] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: okay
[05:18] <Tonio_> hum, still things to correct on kdebase
[05:18] <Tonio_> 4
[05:18] <Hobbsee> night all
[05:18] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: night
[05:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: what to do concerning lipstik ? leave it as this or switch to plastik, which is exactly the same except separators ?
[05:19] <Tonio_> I'm 100% on polishing little issues actually :)
[05:19] <Lure> Tonio_: isn't there new polyester just being released (just heard something)
[05:20] <Tonio_> Lure: polyester ? what's this ?
[05:20] <Riddell> I'm sure it's not exactly the same
[05:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: well I just compared, the difference is separators, but scrollbars, colors, buttons etc are the same
[05:21] <Tonio_> and as the bug is on separators... :)
[05:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://planetemu.net/temp/lipstik.png http://planetemu.net/temp/plastik.png
[05:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: you can compare, 95% of the people wouldn't even feel it has changed
[05:25] <Lure> Tonio_: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=27968
[05:26] <Tonio_> Lure: WOW that's nice !
[05:26] <Lure> Tonio_: we need to talk to kwwii though to see what are his plans...
[05:26] <Tonio_> Lure: but that would be a very deep change and since we would have to package it, get it in, write an main inclusion report etc......
[05:26] <Tonio_> maybe that's a bit late
[05:26] <Tonio_> Lure: yes you are right, maybe he plans to get lipstik out anyway
[05:27] <Lure> Tonio_: sabdfl always supports artwork changes on a day of release... ;-)
[05:27] <Tonio_> Lure: hehe, that's not false :)
[05:27] <Tonio_> Lure: well, let's ping kwwii when he's there
[05:28] <Tonio_> but one thing is certain, I wouldn't be happy if edgy is released with a transparancy bug on the main theme :)
[05:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ?
[05:41] <toma> moguh
[06:16] <Lure> Tonio_: do you have new knm somewhere to download (source or binary)
[06:17] <Tonio_> Lure: sure, let me a second
[06:17] <Tonio_> Lure: http://planetemu.net/temp/knetworkmanager_0.1~svn-r575138-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[06:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: did you upload it?
[06:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have deleted my gnupg key, so I cannot upload anymore before I get back to paris
[06:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: got sources I could upload then?
[06:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: could you eventually upload it maybe ?
[06:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: debdiff ?
[06:19] <Riddell> isn't it a new .orig?
[06:19] <Tonio_> hum, yes, sorry
[06:19] <Tonio_> let me a second
[06:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: knetworkmanager_0.1~svn-r575138-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[06:19] <Tonio_> http://www.planetemu.net/temp/knetworkmanager_0.1~svn-r575138-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[06:19] <Tonio_> http://www.planetemu.net/temp/knetworkmanager_0.1~svn-r575138-0ubuntu1.dsc
[06:20] <Tonio_> http://www.planetemu.net/temp/knetworkmanager_0.1~svn-r575138-0ubuntu1_i386.changes
[06:20] <imbrandon> grr wth is the printer settings in "system and settings" ?
[06:20] <Tonio_> http://www.planetemu.net/temp/knetworkmanager_0.1~svn-r575138.orig.tar.gz
[06:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: sorry but that's the best I can actually :)
[06:20] <Lure> Tonio_: icons look better now
[06:21] <Tonio_> Lure: definitly, and I didn't see any error with kwallet
[06:21] <Tonio_> that's a very good point
[06:21] <imbrandon> anyone ? this is crazy
[06:21] <Tonio_> I had an issue before when it wasn't closed properly
[06:21] <imbrandon> i cant find the printer settings anywhere
[06:21] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yes, I need to patch printers.desktop file to get it to systemsettings
[06:22] <imbrandon> gah
[06:22] <imbrandon> how can i get to it right now, i need to print something
[06:22] <imbrandon> lol
[06:22] <Tonio_> imbrandon you still can double click the file in /usr/share/applications/kde/printers.desktop
[06:22] <imbrandon> k
[06:22] <_Sime> danimo: somethings are busted in guidance for your particular laptop/chipset. Tonio has similar problems. (intel gfx)
[06:23] <imbrandon> gah its a blank module Tonio_
[06:24] <imbrandon> hrm ok i guess i'll reboot into windows to print
[06:24] <Tonio_> imbrandon: hum ?
[06:25] <Tonio_> imbrandon: gimme a second
[06:25] <danimo> _Sime: so I cannot get the right gamma value?
[06:25] <_Sime> danimo: is the problem that the gamma is not changed in realtime? (IIRC)
[06:27] <danimo> _Sime: *shrug*
[06:27] <danimo> _Sime: you are the expert here, really :)
[06:27] <Riddell> Tonio_: uploaded
[06:27] <Riddell> thanks
[06:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: thanks very much
[06:27] <Tonio_> okay let's get pritners back to systemsettings
[06:28] <Tonio_> the nodisplay=true is a bit too much to remove it from k menu lol :)
[06:28] <_Sime> danimo: ok, left me try again. When you change the gamma sliders, does it have an immediate effect on the screen? (it should)
[06:29] <danimo> _Sime: yes I do
[06:29] <danimo> _Sime: I just cannot find a position where the stuff blends
[06:29] <danimo> _Sime: aren't there any prepared profiles?
[06:30] <_Sime> danimo: oh, ok. that is something different (which should probably be fixed). It doesn't work so hot for LCDs.
[06:32] <_Sime> danimo: maybe I should just drop the light and dark blocks and just keep the mid level grey.
[06:33] <_Sime> danimo: since you have little chance of matching all at the same time. (thanks for the info!)
[06:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: Is mdz with you at uds ? I assume yes
[06:36] <Tonio_> cause we also have kio-locate waiting for upload
[06:38] <danimo> _Sime: yes, it's really painful
[06:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes
[06:38] <danimo> _Sime: don't vendors ship gamma profiles for the windows drivers?
[06:39] <_Sime> danimo: I have no idea. It is really the combination of your gfx card and monitor. The only real way to set gamma is by eye, (or with an expensive colour callibration device).
[06:40] <danimo> _Sime: well, since a laptop ships with both fixed... :)
[06:51] <Tonio_> for konqueror :)
[06:57] <imbrandon> Riddell: nice pic ;)
[06:57] <imbrandon> ( you should let me photoshop your gotchi though so it has a transparent background instead of white :P )
[06:58] <Riddell> imbrandon: please do, original is on launchpad.net/people/jr
[06:58] <imbrandon> k
[06:59] <Riddell> actually don't photoshop it.  krita or gimp it
[06:59] <imbrandon> hehe yea ;)
[06:59] <nixternal> owned
[07:00] <nixternal> imbrandon doesn't know gimp, he is a ps lover ;)
[07:00] <imbrandon> hahah so is 90% of the art team but i can use gimp in a pinch
[07:00] <yuriy> somebody went crazy with sound effects
[07:00] <nixternal> gimp is perfect using script-fu for gotchi's
[07:01] <Riddell> that's what I did
[07:01] <nixternal> we need to get a headshot of Riddell wearning his kayak helmet, to poke fun at sabdfl ;)
[07:01] <imbrandon> hehe i do it by hand
[07:02] <nixternal> check his site, i think you might find some there ;)
[07:05] <yuriy> hi _Sime
[07:06] <_Sime> yuriy: hey
[07:06] <abattoir> Riddell: i now get these errors in the language step :P http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21299
[07:08] <yuriy> _Sime: my patch for winebrowser wasn't accepted.  i haven't gotten a difinitive answer why, but they want a more comprehensive one which is going to change the way that registry value is stored
[07:08] <yuriy> _Sime: so once i do that, i need to change that part in wineconfig to accomodate
[07:09] <yuriy> _Sime: but other than that i'd say it's ready for packaging
[07:09] <_Sime> yuriy: ok ok
[07:09] <_Sime> Riddell: did you hear that?
[07:10] <_Sime> yuriy: Riddell handles the packaging side. ;-)
[07:10] <yuriy> and i have a question
[07:10] <yuriy> is it ok to be using the word "windows"
[07:11] <_Sime> on this channel it isn't. ;)
[07:11] <_Sime> yuriy: in the GUI you mean?
[07:11] <yuriy> _Sime: yeah. and the icon (i labeled it "windows applications")
[07:12] <_Sime> yuriy: I'm not sure what the story is. Maybe is needs (R) next to it.
[07:12] <_Sime> yuriy: what do the wine people do?
[07:12] <_Sime> yuriy: I guess 'windows" is enough
[07:12] <yuriy> _Sime: i'm pretty sure it says "wine" anywhere you might expect "windows"
[07:13] <yuriy> _Sime: err nvm
[07:14] <imbrandon> Riddell: http://imbrandon.com/misc/riddell.png <-- nice transparent bg with dropshadow ( courtsiy of the Gimp ) ;P
[07:15] <imbrandon> yuriy: well crossover and cedega both name it "windows applications" on the kmenu
[07:16] <yuriy> imbrandon: ok, i haven't tried those. i guess it's probably ok then
[07:17] <imbrandon> yuriy: http://imbrandon.sytes.net/ss11.png <--- crossover office menu
[07:19] <imbrandon> _Sime: your patches got uploaded to edgy today ;)
[07:20] <_Sime> imbrandon: wow.
[07:21] <imbrandon> btw any way you can send me an example of the hidden file for the root ?
[07:21] <nixternal> imbrandon: you sicken me with such violation of the Kubuntu Operating System ;)
[07:21] <_Sime> imbrandon: I've done a lot of work on the patches on the weekend.
[07:21] <imbrandon> nixternal: shush
[07:21] <nixternal> ;)
[07:21] <_Sime> imbrandon: I want to hunt down this other bug before I fix up some new diffs for you.
[07:21] <imbrandon> _Sime: nice , give me a url or email them to me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>) and i'll build some new ones
[07:21] <_Sime> imbrandon: what's ya email addy?
[07:22] <imbrandon> kk sounds good
[07:22] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:22] <imbrandon><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:23] <Lure> _Sime: will you add other users to /home (the one current user has access to)?
[07:23] <_Sime> imbrandon: done
[07:23] <imbrandon> i'm gonna take a poke at the rc file for konqui too later to get the tabs on the left to look right
[07:23] <_Sime> Lure: yes, (already done here)
[07:23] <imbrandon> would be cool if i could find a way to promaticly make the system tab the computer name like the screenshots ;)
[07:24] <Lure> imbrandon: do we really want left to be default? I used it for a day and even on wide screen it looks od to me
[07:24] <Lure> imbrandon: I always have to look up-left to know that I am in right channel before typing...
[07:24] <imbrandon> you talking abou konversation ?
[07:24] <nixternal> http://jriddell.org/photos/2005-09-01-akademy-beach-party.jpg
[07:24] <nixternal> ^^ that has got to be the scarriest thing i have ever seen
[07:25] <nixternal> he has geek pr0n
[07:25] <imbrandon> well it would make sense since it would match xchat more ( and tbh ALOT of the uses so far have liked it )
[07:25] <fritsch> LOL
[07:25] <imbrandon> Lure: ^^
[07:25] <imbrandon> ohhh kde devs in skivies LOL
[07:26] <el> _Sime, ping
[07:27] <imbrandon> leaste Riddell was smart and hid in the back like i would have done infront of the camera ;)
[07:27] <Lure> nixternal: is crossover/wine any good for MS office 2003
[07:27] <nixternal> i have no clue..i use OOo.. imbrandon probably knows best since he loves MS and what not ;)
[07:27] <imbrandon> Lure: crosover is , not sure about streightup wine ( its what crossover was designed for thus the name )
[07:28] <imbrandon> nixternal: blah take that elsewhere
[07:28] <nixternal> pick a channel, we are in a lot of the same ones ;)
[07:29] <imbrandon> Lure: i'm one of the crossover packagers / testers / advocates , i can give you a version to try and see if it work , but i encourage you to buy if you like it ;)
[07:30] <imbrandon> but office 2003 is listed as gold ( highest ) as far as working good
[07:30] <Lure> imbrandon: nice - version to try would be cool
[07:30] <imbrandon> Lure: sure give me a sec to upload , it will take a minute since its about 16mb
[07:34] <sebas> Lure: ping
[07:34] <Lure> sebas: pong
[07:35] <sebas> Lure: I might make hell break loose on powermanager, do you have local patches or are you flushed?
[07:35] <Lure> sebas: nothing pending
[07:35] <sebas> Good, make sure you update before you start hacking.
[07:36] <Lure> sebas: will follow svn and try what you break ;-)
[07:36] <sebas> Ah, even better.
[07:38] <imbrandon> Lure: get the notice ?
[07:38] <danimo> Riddell: are you in wiesbaden already?
[07:38] <nixternal> Riddell: http://buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/images/elKapitan.png
[07:38] <nixternal> that is all about you!!!
[07:38] <imbrandon> haha i like the one i did better ;)
[07:38] <Lure> imbrandon: yes, thanks - will try and report back to you...
[07:39] <imbrandon> np ;)
[07:39] <nixternal> its all about the hat...all the leaders need to be wearing headgear ;)
[07:40] <_Sime> el: sorry, I'm a bit busy this evening. gotta eat. then sport...
[07:40] <el> _Sime, no problem. i'll try it again :)
[07:40] <el> _Sime, have fun
[07:43] <danimo> heya el
[07:44] <el> hey danimo :)
[07:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: we got a kopete 0.12.2 changelog?
[07:46] <imbrandon> has anyone got it ready for edgy ?
[07:46] <imbrandon> and / or filed a uvf ?
[07:47] <imbrandon> s/uvf/uvf exception
[07:47] <imbrandon> i guess not as hobbsee did it last time and she has been in amarok land, i guess i can if apachelogger hasent started it already
[07:48] <imbrandon> apachelogger: howso ?
[07:49] <apachelogger> I think hobbsee filed a uvf execption
[07:49] <imbrandon> for 12.2 or 12.1
[07:49] <apachelogger> though it's not going to be accepted without detailed changelog
[07:49] <apachelogger> that's what I know of
[07:49] <apachelogger> imbrandon: .2
[07:50] <apachelogger> I made a .2 package, hobbsee took my changes, added own ones and probably filed a uvf
[07:50] <apachelogger> though, I'm also in amaork land :P
[07:50] <imbrandon> ah
[07:50] <apachelogger> release in T-1 hour
[07:50] <imbrandon> yup and she is asleep heh
[07:51] <apachelogger> I'll suggest a publish delay for next release, so tagging and actual release doesn't happen on same day
[07:51] <apachelogger> so that packagers can provide packagers, if they want to  -  now that we will host tarballs @kde.org
[07:52] <imbrandon> well they said they give time for major releases but not point ones
[07:52] <imbrandon> last i asked them
[07:53] <imbrandon> and T-1:08 actualy ;)
[07:53] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:53] <Riddell> danimo: yes
[07:53] <Riddell> danimo: with Ken
[07:54] <Riddell> nixternal: nice :)
[07:54] <Riddell> nixternal: where does that come from?
[07:54] <apachelogger> imbrandon: I already suggested this when we started 1.4 series, though it never came to actual discussion
[07:54] <imbrandon> yea
[07:55] <imbrandon> have fun ;)
[07:58] <imbrandon> apachelogger: looks like she sugested she is working on it in bug #56190 but i dont see a uvf
[07:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56190 in kopete "Kopete Suggests on Non-Existant gpg package" [Untriaged,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/56190
[07:58] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[07:59] <imbrandon> i'll get a changelog togather and a uvf ready and as Riddell if she filed one or not, the source is on voyager anyhow as she builds here
[07:59] <imbrandon> if mdz hasent seen a uvf i'll file one so Riddell can upload later and then amarok 1.4.2 tomarrow and konversation soon after LOL
[08:03] <nixternal> Riddell: got it from your website ;)
[08:03] <nixternal> i pulled an imbrandon, and now i am dead tired
[08:04] <imbrandon> an imbrandon ?
[08:05] <crimsun> (probably stayed up at night?)
[08:06] <imbrandon> heh maybe
[08:06] <imbrandon> heya crimsun
[08:06] <crimsun> hi
[08:23] <imbrandon> Riddell: is there an eta on 3.5.5 ?
[08:23] <nixternal> 5 minutes
[08:39] <imbrandon> ugh kopete dosent keep a changelog
[08:39] <imbrandon> hobbsee can play with that mess
[08:41] <bddebian> hehe
[09:06] <apachelogger> we should lart them
[09:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: little question
[09:24] <Tonio_> if I create a new key and add it to my launchpad account, would that work for ubuntu uploads ?
[09:31] <Tonio_> goldenear: ping ?
[09:44] <Tonio_> fonts on the interface should be dejavu and not arial....
[09:52] <imbrandon> heh thats operas fault , they package it for the commercial repo
[10:19] <imbrandon> Riddell: do we have to get a uvf for 2.0 to 2.0.1 ( ktorrent just posted an update )
[10:19] <imbrandon> please say no
[10:21] <crimsun> yes, any new version.
[10:21] <crimsun> of course if it's a bugfix-only release that should be a no-brainer.
[10:21] <imbrandon> k /me grumbles
[10:22] <imbrandon> crimsun: you gonna be arround a while ? if i can poke mdz to approve it and i get it fixed up mind sponsoring it ?
[10:23] <imbrandon> becouse Riddell will bed soon if he hasent already
[10:23] <crimsun> I'm here for some time, yes. Don't be alarmed if I don't respond within 5 minutes. :)
[10:24] <imbrandon> k
[10:26] <Tonio_> :'( 3 uploads to perform and I can't do them......
[10:26] <imbrandon> any or universe?
[10:26] <imbrandon> for*
[10:27] <Tonio_> imbrandon: nope, main only
[10:27] <Tonio_> kds and kdebase
[10:27] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[10:27] <imbrandon> kdebase fix for the system:/ thing ?
[10:27] <crimsun> why not, Tonio_?   So no COPY-FDL needed for it's apps ;)
[10:31] <Tonio_> crimsun: error in a script that deleted all my .* folders :)
[10:31] <Tonio_> crimsun: and since I'm in vacations I don't have access to the backup
[10:32] <crimsun> Tonio_: (understood, but if they need to be uploaded, there are others who can)
[10:32] <Tonio_> crimsun: sure, I'm looking with raphink currently
[10:32] <crimsun> ok
[10:37] <imbrandon> arg do NO upstream devs update the damn changelog
[10:38] <crimsun> yes, many (most) do.
[10:38] <imbrandon> heh the last two i have checked dont ( ktorrent and kopete )
[10:39] <crimsun> do the upstream devs announce to mailing list(s)?
[10:39] <imbrandon> only kde-apps.org afaik
[10:39] <seaLne> the new version of ktorrent was announced on the mailing list
[10:40] <seaLne> not exactly a changelog tho:
[10:40] <imbrandon> seaLne: what ML ?
[10:40] <seaLne> This is a bug fix release for the recently released 2.0 stable
[10:40] <seaLne> version. It fixes several newly discovered bugs after the release of
[10:40] <seaLne> 2.0, it also adds some performance improvements.
[10:40] <imbrandon> yea thats whats on kde-apps.org too
[10:40] <imbrandon> lol
[10:40] <seaLne> kde-announce, the normal one
[10:40] <imbrandon> this is from 2.0 to 2.0.1
[10:40] <seaLne> yeah
[10:41] <seaLne> 2.0 had a bit more
[10:41] <imbrandon> only one line "2.0.1 fixes several bugs in 2.0 and it also features some performance improvements."
[10:41] <seaLne> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-announce&r=1&b=200608&w=2
[10:42] <imbrandon> hrm how am i supose to ask for a uvf with only that info
[10:42] <imbrandon> lol
[10:43] <seaLne>  * improvements to make it better
[10:44] <seaLne>  * now with a higher version number
[10:44] <imbrandon> lol
[10:46] <imbrandon> hrm bbiab
[11:14] <fritsch> someone there?
[11:15] <fritsch> the security update for xserver which came out some minutes ago
[11:15] <fritsch> stops starting X server
[11:15] <fritsch> we have at least 3 including me in #kubuntu suffering this problem
[11:16] <crimsun> can you post your /var/log/Xorg.0.log or point to a bug report with one attached?
[11:17] <fritsch> I will do, just a mom
[11:19] <fritsch> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21342
[11:19] <fritsch> have a look here
[11:19] <fritsch> it s from one of the people having this problem
[11:20] <fritsch> xserver-xorg-core                      1.0.2-0ubuntu10.3                       X.Org X server -- core server <- this is the faulty version
[11:20] <fdoving> hmm.. no devices detected. nice one.
[11:21] <danimo> Riddell: libqt4-debug-dev-kdecopy fails to install because of conflicts with libqt4-dev-kdecopy
[11:21] <danimo> Riddell: both have /usr/lib/libQtDesignerComponents_debug.so for some weired reason
[11:23] <fritsch> fdoving: everybody is affected which installs this just releasd xserver-xorg-core
[11:23] <fritsch> fdoving: please somebody stopps the possiblity to update
[11:24] <fritsch> abattoir: here is mine: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21343
[11:24] <fritsch> looks exactly the same
[11:27] <crimsun> danimo: heh, excellent, definite bug (for libqt4-dev-kdecopy)
[11:27] <crimsun> fritsch: will look shortly
[11:28] <fritsch> crimsun: mmh it is high imporant, because a normal user will reinstall whole kubuntu, because of not being able to start X
[11:31] <crimsun> fritsch: can you pastebin a logfile from a working X server?
[11:31] <fritsch> crimsun: no :-)
[11:32] <crimsun> the abort isn't terribly informative.
[11:32] <fritsch> crimsun: because http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xorg-server/xserver-xorg-core_1.0.2-0ubuntu10.2_i386.deb  <- this is OFFLINE
[11:32] <fritsch> crimsun: the .3 version introduces this problem
[11:32] <crimsun> you should have /var/log/Xorg*
[11:32] <fritsch> i need to downgrade for the old version
[11:32] <fritsch> crimsun: i have: se above
[11:32] <fritsch> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21343
[11:33] <fritsch> crimsun: you know a source, where i can get the old version?
[11:33] <crimsun> you don't have any older logfiles in /var/log/ ?
[11:33] <fritsch> crimsun: I have an actual running, but using an nvidia card?
[11:34] <fritsch> crimsun: no problem?
[11:34] <crimsun> fritsch: running the newer security errate one/
[11:34] <crimsun> ?
[11:34] <crimsun> please migrate this to -bugs, thanks
[11:36] <fritsch> crimsun:http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21347 <- working one
[11:36] <crimsun> ok
[11:36] <Hawkwind> fritsch: FYI...the fix has been posted in #Kubuntu for downgrading
[11:37] <fritsch> Hawkwind: this is okay for me ...
[11:37] <fritsch> Hawkwind: but not for the people outside who cannot work without X
[11:38] <fdoving> to morrow will be a nice day for sysadmins using dapper in production environments, with nightly security updates :)
[11:38] <Hawkwind> fritsch: irssi is a CLI irc client that can get them online to get the fix.  No X is not the end of the world, in fact, it's far from it
[11:39] <fritsch> Hawkwind: tell a windows kidde how to switch to text konsole, with a splash, that is just "standing" in the way
[11:39] <crimsun> fritsch: is this 21347 paste running the newest 10.3 X server?
[11:39] <fritsch> crimsun: the 21347 ist with 10.2
[11:39] <crimsun> fritsch: it's not relevant until it happens with 10.3, too
[11:40] <Hawkwind> fritsch: This is a prime example why I try to teach users who I work with to use CLI as much as possible and not to rely on GUI apps.  It only benefits them more
[11:40] <fritsch> crimsun: 10.3 is fucked up (TM) 10.2 is working
[11:40] <crimsun> not that I don't doubt it will happen with 10.3, but it needs to be consist
[11:40] <fritsch> 2347 is a working on with 10.2
[11:40] <crimsun> consistent, rather.
[11:40] <fritsch> i file a bug ... on launchpad ...
[11:41] <crimsun> yes, but the first thing we'll ask you to do is to confirm the bug with 10.3 using the nvidia driver.
[11:41] <crimsun> using 10.2 with the nvidia driver is irrelevant to the actual issue
[11:43] <fdoving> good luck guys. I have to leave for bed, as i'm going to work in ~6 hours. nite.
[11:46] <fritsch> crimsun: you asked me for "a working" log
[11:46] <fritsch> crimsun: i gave you a non working and a working "with old version of xserver-xorg-core"
[11:47] <fritsch> crimsun: filed: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/57158
[11:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57158 in xorg "upgrade to 1.0.2-0ubuntu10.3 does not allow starting of X anymore" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]


[00:06] <TheMuso> maco: What is the answer to accerciser and ubiquity?
[04:04] <maco> TheMuso: the bit from ev that i quoted
[04:05] <maco> TheMuso: there's a test_ubiquity.py that has to be run with "sudo -u ubuntu DISPLAY=:0 python test_ubiquity.py"
[04:05] <maco> TheMuso: test_ubiquity.py is on launchpad
[04:05] <TheMuso> ah ok.
[04:06] <TheMuso> Good to know.
[04:48] <Humorrhoids> Hey, I just built an installable CD for a friend. Found out that orca is limited to gnome and xfce.
[04:49] <Humorrhoids> okay. Can I use it with success on lxde?
[04:49] <Humorrhoids> How do I import and what scripts do I import for orca to work on the iso when it boots?
[04:50] <Humorrhoids> It's for ppc machines.
[16:20] <UndiFineD> hajour here. my eeepc is not booting .black image and no starting up
[16:20] <UndiFineD> talk about bad timing
[16:29] <UndiFineD>  we are trying to solve the eeepc problem . i need to go cooking .anyway need to give the pc back to UndiFineD  again
[17:34] <maco> by the way, i mentioned AlanBell's video on the Daniela post to mdz.  he asked that the tech board be poked about it. i'm guessing he means as a way of pushing for priorities to be shifted a bit next cycle
[17:34] <AlanBell> how does one poke the TB?
[17:36] <maco> email their mailing list?
[17:36] <maco> technical-board@lists.ubuntu.com


[00:56] <GrueMaster> davidm: ping
[00:57] <StevenK> GrueMaster: There's no point pinging him, he disconnected 5 minutes ago
[00:57] <GrueMaster> Yea, I just noticed that.
[00:57] <GrueMaster> davidm :  question re: beta3
[00:57] <davidm> GrueMaster, yes?
[00:58] <bspencer> lool,  when is our meeting supposed to be wrt moblin applets?
[00:58] <GrueMaster> video drivers are at build 0007.  Didn't you guys get newer drivers?
[00:59] <davidm> Not in time for the beta, we locked better then a week ago
[00:59] <GrueMaster> Oh.
[00:59] <GrueMaster> I just got the beta today.
[01:00] <GrueMaster> Didn't know it was a week old.
[01:00] <GrueMaster> ok
[01:08] <davidm> We locked the build for the WiMAX stuff but finally built because WiMAX did not make it.
[01:09] <davidm> WiMAX was a pain, but they got it finally and now we have to remove it....
[06:31] <dholbach> good morning
[12:27] <lool> Hmm yesterday, the battery applet would segfault for me when I clicked on it, but now it wont at full charge
[12:47] <kennyyu> hi there, i wonder if i can get the firefox source code (for UME) because of my academic research purpose? is it available now?
[12:48] <dns53>  apt-get source packagename?
[12:57] <kennyyu> dns53: thanks... hmm, I just wonder why I cannot download the code from there --> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-browser   :-(
[13:04] <dns53> the package is actually midbrowser https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-browser for the launcpad entry, git seems to be http://www.moblin.org/repos/projects/mobile-browser.git/
[13:12] <Roj> hi
[13:12] <dns53> hi
[13:13] <Roj> i have a Asus r2h and want to get involved with the ubuntu mobile testing
[13:13] <Roj> have i found the right community?
[13:14] <dns53> well this channel is quiet, i'm here trying to get it installed on my eeepc
[13:15] <Roj> ah ok, have you tried gOS rocket?
[13:15] <Roj> or Linpus?
[13:15] <dns53> not yet,i have a xubuntu with hardy
[13:16] <Roj> both kind of work but the ubuntu mobile release looks interesting to me
[16:36] <kennyyu> dns53: i see. I'll have a look! :)
[17:04] <lool> meeting is in one hour right?
[17:05] <Don_Johnson> I think David left it on UTS, and did not do any daylight saving time adjustments, so you are probably right
[17:06] <kyleN> lool, that's my guess
[17:06] <lool> Don_Johnson: That's my understanding as well; I added an item to move it one hour earlier to the agenda
[17:07] <Don_Johnson> Good, I have a regulary conflict in 1 hour, so I won't be able to make it at that time.
[17:09] <bspencer> lool, dumb Q.  Our weekly ume meeting is at 10amPDT now -- not 9am right?  :)
[17:09] <bspencer> lool, also, are we meeting tomorrow IRC 9am PDT?
[17:09] <davidm> I've had the meeting pegged to 17:00 UTC and not floating.  We can adjust the meeting to 16:00 UTC in this meeting.
[17:10] <bspencer> lool, or I think I was to get a bridge.
[17:10] <bspencer> davidm, right.  Old habit I was rushing to get here by 9am.
[17:11] <davidm> Well there is a aganda item to move it to now so we can talk about it.  It hits at a bad time for those in Europe now.
[17:12] <davidm> And I love google since it moved the meeting to now for me :-/ but I'm fixing that.
[17:14] <lool> bspencer: You were to get a bridge for friday, right?
[17:57] <davidm> Almost time for the meeting.
[18:01] <mawhalen> Rusty
[18:01] <mawhalen> feeling better?
[18:01] <davidm> We are missing mootbot so I'll just post logs later
[18:01] <davidm> it's off line at the moment.   The chair is davidm.
[18:04] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[18:04] <MootBot> davidm, There is already a meeting in progress.
[18:04] <davidm> OK mootbot is here so
[18:04] <davidm> #topic kyleN to look into hildon-help; what's is useful for and whether we should package it for UME
[18:04] <kyleN> I have not investigated hildon-help yet. Yes, it needs to be done, but with current daily priorities it won't be done immediately. Therefore, I'd like to remove it from the carried action items for now.
[18:04] <lool> davidm: #topic, not /topic :)
[18:05] <davidm> lool, yea I blew it
[18:05] <davidm> kyleN, OK done.
[18:05] <kyleN> thx
[18:05] <mabbas> #topic
[18:05] <davidm> #topic lool review progress on Hildon 2.0 updates next week
[18:06] <lool> So, smagoun is the only one around I fear
[18:06] <smagoun> lool: no progress on this one
[18:06] <lool> agoliveira tried updating sapwood, but he didn't manage to pull history
[18:06] <smagoun> I don't think bfiller has had a chance to get to his part either
[18:07] <lool> I think I'll start picking updates from other people to get stuff in hardy in the coming weeks
[18:07] <lool> I wish people with assigned updates could do one to see how it goes with bzr vcs-import and all
[18:07] <lool> So davidm, please carry on
[18:07] <davidm> [topic] lool review progress on Hildon 2.0 updates next week
[18:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  lool review progress on Hildon 2.0 updates next week
[18:07] <davidm> lool, will do,
[18:08] <davidm> I just replayed the topic to get it into mootbot
[18:08] <davidm> [topic] lool to document tips for Hildon 2.0 updates on Hildon 2.0 wiki page
[18:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  lool to document tips for Hildon 2.0 updates on Hildon 2.0 wiki page
[18:08] <lool> See bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/Hildon2.0
[18:08] <lool> It's a bit raw, but it's what I did :)
[18:08] <lool> I'm happy to clarify with anybody who needs help
[18:09] <davidm> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/Hildon2.0
[18:09] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/Hildon2.0
[18:09] <davidm> lool, carry on?
[18:09] <lool> No, it's done; you can move on to next topic
[18:09] <davidm> [topic] lool to document tarball release + ppa upload process and patch
[18:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  lool to document tarball release + ppa upload process and patch
[18:10] <lool> I've wikified my notes and sent them to rustyl_; as they were longer than I thought, I think it's best to get some feedback from rustyl_ and then moving to the wiki
[18:10] <lool> rustyl_ only got them yesterday though, so I suppose we could make that an action for me for next week
[18:10] <davidm> OK
[18:11] <lool> This is just a one shot procedure, not very interesting to keep on the wiki forever, but we'll remove the page later on
[18:11] <davidm> [action] lool to document tarball release + ppa upload process and patch addition + submission process [cted] [cted scheduled for Friday the 28th][cted]
[18:11] <MootBot> ACTION received:  lool to document tarball release + ppa upload process and patch addition + submission process [cted] [cted scheduled for Friday the 28th][cted]
[18:11] <lool> [action] (lool) add doc on moving to tarball releases for moblin modules to wiki
[18:11] <lool> Hmm ok
[18:11] <davidm> [action] (lool) add doc on moving to tarball releases for moblin modules to wiki
[18:11] <MootBot> ACTION received:  (lool) add doc on moving to tarball releases for moblin modules to wiki
[18:12] <lool> Well the doc is ready, but I'll move it to the wiki next week
[18:12] <lool> right
[18:12] <davidm> I'll clean later NP
[18:12] <lool> thanks
[18:12] <lool> You can skip the next topic, it's the same
[18:12] <davidm> agree
[18:12] <davidm> next two actually
[18:13] <davidm> [topic] bspencer to list i18n status for Moblin project
[18:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  bspencer to list i18n status for Moblin project
[18:13] <lool> davidm: Well i'd like to keep the action on rustyl_, even if he had no chance to do it this week :)
[18:13] <lool> rustyl_: (if you don't mind)
[18:13] <davidm> I'll make it so
[18:13] <lool> bspencer: 19:13 < davidm> [topic] bspencer to list i18n status for Moblin project
[18:13] <lool> bspencer: You come just on time :)
[18:14] <davidm> [action] #
[18:14] <davidm> rustyl_ to assign ppa packages updates for the new tarball based release process [cted as blocked by lool last week and the week before that...][cted]
[18:14] <MootBot> ACTION received:  #
[18:14] <bspencer> lool: oy, not completed
[18:14] <davidm> [action] rustyl_ to assign ppa packages updates for the new tarball based release process [cted as blocked by lool last week and the week before that...][cted]
[18:14] <MootBot> ACTION received:  rustyl_ to assign ppa packages updates for the new tarball based release process [cted as blocked by lool last week and the week before that...][cted]
[18:14] <bspencer> lool: I can list what I know here, but I think you wanted an email
[18:14] <kyleN> here comes my standard remard: ;) we need all apps i8nized, and soonish
[18:15] <kyleN> remark
[18:15] <mawhalen> bspencer: what is holding it up?
[18:15] <bspencer> ToddBrandt: is moblin-applets i18n?
[18:15] <bspencer> mawhalen: nothing -- I just forgot to send the email
[18:15] <lool> bspencer: I think kyleN asked for it
[18:15] <kyleN> the packages should be set up for intltool so they generated tempaltes
[18:16] <kyleN> and the code should be set up for gettext
[18:16] <kyleN> darn fingers, misbehaving again ;)
[18:16] <bspencer> kyleN: lool   is Hildon already for i18n per these requireemnts?
[18:16] <lool> bspencer: Hmm Hildon is special
[18:16] <bspencer> moblin media is, I know, except for a couple of bugs that may already have been fixed
[18:17] <kyleN> bspencer: hildon is not. it is a more complex challenege. but this problem is known and being solved
[18:17] <bspencer> lool:  is Firefox special too?
[18:17] <lool> bspencer: Yes
[18:17] <bspencer> mid browser is also i18n, per Firefox mechanism.
[18:17] <lool> bspencer: But moblin-applets is a good standard example
[18:17] <bspencer> I don't know about moblin-applets.
[18:17] <lool> I reviewed it, and it seemed structured to do it
[18:17] <lool> Can't tell whether all strings were marked as translatable or not
[18:17] <bspencer> Home screen is the one I'm not sure about
[18:18] <bspencer> The icons and names come from freedesktop.org calls now, but I haven't verified the i18n-ness
[18:18] <kyleN> bspencer: can you please address the problem on both fronts: intltool AND code/gettext
[18:18] <lool> bspencer: But you're not using message ids for strings in any other package than midbrowser at moblin.org, so it would be nice if you could make sure all other moblin.org projects are i18ned
[18:19] <lool> Run them in French
[18:19] <bspencer> lool: yes.  My action item.
[18:19] <lool> kyleN, bspencer, davidm: do let's carry on action
[18:19] <davidm> OK
[18:19] <kyleN> ok
[18:19] <lool> [action] bspencer to report on i18n of moblin.org modules [cted]
[18:19] <davidm> [action] bspencer to report on i18n of moblin.org modules [cted]
[18:19] <MootBot> ACTION received:  bspencer to report on i18n of moblin.org modules [cted]
[18:20] <davidm> OK that is the end of old business
[18:20] <davidm> Current items
[18:20] <kyleN> although I wish the wording wasn't "report" but was "implement intltool in packages and gettext in code"
[18:21] <bspencer> kyleN: did you document this somewhere?
[18:21] <lool> kyleN: Well I think it's clear that they need to be i18ned, but we wont implement it during the meeting so we can only report on status ;)
[18:21]  * bspencer recalls seeing something
[18:21] <lool> bspencer: Two wiki pages are available on the topic
[18:21] <lool> bspencer: As mentionned in last week's links
[18:21] <bspencer> ok.  you can move on while I look.
[18:21] <lool> http://people.ubuntu.com/~davidm/mootbot/meetings/ubuntu-mobile.20080327_1801.html
[18:21] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.ubuntu.com/~davidm/mootbot/meetings/ubuntu-mobile.20080327_1801.html
[18:21] <bspencer> lool: thx.
[18:21] <lool> See the last two links
[18:22] <davidm> [topic] (lool) propose to move meeting one hour earlier (it's summer \o/)
[18:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  (lool) propose to move meeting one hour earlier (it's summer \o/)
[18:22] <lool> So I'd like to move the meeting by one hour
[18:22] <lool> I think this will fit everybody
[18:22] <davidm> This works for me.
[18:22] <bspencer> good for me
[18:22] <lool> In fact most people were expecting the meeting earlier ;)
[18:22] <cgregan> no conflict for me
[18:22] <davidm> I know Don Johnson would like this as he can't attend now.
[18:22] <lool> Let's do it!
[18:22] <davidm> Intel side comments?
[18:22] <mawhalen> I don't believe this is a problem, we used to have it an hour earlier
[18:23] <mawhalen> I'll reschedule it for Intel side
[18:23] <davidm> bspencer, mawhalen , thanks
[18:23] <davidm> [action] davidm to move meeting to 1 hour earler and notify all
[18:23] <GrueMaster> For the most part, the people at Intel have adjusted to daylight savings time, so this would realign with that schedule.
[18:23] <MootBot> ACTION received:  davidm to move meeting to 1 hour earler and notify all
[18:24] <davidm> [action] mawhalen to reschedule on Intel side
[18:24] <MootBot> ACTION received:  mawhalen to reschedule on Intel side
[18:24] <ToddBrandt> bspencer: sorry for the delay, yes moblin-applets is i18n
[18:24] <davidm> OK I think we are covered on that
[18:24] <davidm> [topic] (tonyespy) ppm: git tree out-of-date + write access; licensing question...
[18:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  (tonyespy) ppm: git tree out-of-date + write access; licensing question...
[18:25] <tonyespy> OK
[18:25] <tonyespy> There's been some recent interest in the ppm by our customer
[18:25] <tonyespy> and yet, the public git tree is not up-to-date
[18:25] <tonyespy> also, as there's been a request that canonical do some of the work...
[18:25] <lool> tonyespy: (you used rsync?)
[18:26] <tonyespy> i'd like to ask that we be granted write access to the tree
[18:26] <lool> tonyespy: (some git trees at moblin.org are broken / out of date via http)
[18:26] <tonyespy> lool:  i'll check
[18:26] <mawhalen> mabbas: are you around?
[18:26] <tonyespy> lool: i've been looking at the tree via the git web interface
[18:26] <mawhalen> he was
[18:27] <tonyespy> i've spoken with mabbas about this and he said that he'd update it this week...
[18:27] <lool> I guess the gitweb is always up to date
[18:27] <tonyespy> but i'd like to see this be a regular activity... not a once and a while thing
[18:27] <tonyespy> ...especially if we're going to be contributing to the development
[18:28] <mawhalen> Mohamed had joined last week and at the begin of this meeting -
[18:28] <mawhalen> tonyespy: hae you sync'd with Mohamed, I know he was going to contact you about a script
[18:28] <mabbas> yes I am here
[18:29] <tonyespy> mawhalen: yes, we've been exchanging emails
[18:29] <tonyespy> mabbas: i brought up the topic that i'd like to see the public git tree for ppm be kept up to date
[18:29] <tonyespy> mabbas: and we would also like write access
[18:29] <mabbas> yes I will update by tomorrow
[18:29] <tonyespy> mabbas: especially if we're going to be contributing work
[18:30] <rustyl_> tonyespy, do you already have an account on moblin?
[18:30] <tonyespy> mabbas: after that, can you make sure it's kept up to date on a regular basis
[18:30] <tonyespy> rustyl_: not sure, but i'll check...
[18:30] <mabbas> yes it usually is
[18:31] <tonyespy> mabbas: the last tag was 0.7, the version in the ppa is 0.9
[18:31] <lool> rustyl_: Don't think so
[18:31] <rustyl_> tonyespy, lool, i don't see any type of *tony* or *eps*
[18:32] <rustyl_> in /home on moblin
[18:32] <tonyespy> rustyl_:  ok, i'll create one this afternoon
[18:32] <rustyl_> mabbas, do have an issue with adding another developer with write access?
[18:32] <mabbas> ok the gap here is small and maily to kick hardy build but I will make sure they are always update
[18:32] <mabbas> not at all
[18:33] <tonyespy> ok, i will create an account and then send details to mabbas
[18:33] <mabbas> as long we discuss thing before commit and this will go both way of cource
[18:33] <rustyl_> mawhalen, is HappyCamp_ubuntu HappyCamp on vacation still?
[18:33] <mawhalen> rustyl_: yes - happycamp is on vacation this week.
[18:33] <davidm> Are there any actions I need to track to next week here?
[18:33] <tonyespy> davidm: no
[18:34] <tonyespy> one more piece to the topic...
[18:34] <davidm> tonyespy, OK good enough
[18:34] <tonyespy> which may apply to more than just ppm
[18:34] <davidm> tonyespy, you have the floor
[18:34] <tonyespy> from my pov, ppm is in a way a replacement for gnome-power-manager ( ie. it does many of the same things )
[18:35] <tonyespy> yet it's licensed under a dual-license ( mit & gpl )
[18:35] <tonyespy> this prevents code from being pulled from pure gpl projects like gnome-power-mgr
[18:35] <tonyespy> was this intentional?
[18:35] <rustyl_> no, not intentional
[18:36] <tonyespy> can it be fixed?
[18:36]  * rustyl_ thinks
[18:36] <lool> Is it important if we lose the MIT part of the license?
[18:37] <tonyespy> there's suspicion (sic) that this might apply to other moblin projects as well...
[18:37] <lool> If you merge GPL code, just update the relevant headers in the source files you copy, debian/copyright, and the result of the combination will be GPL
[18:37] <lool> Just like GPM
[18:38] <tonyespy> lool: but isn't that confusing if the top-level of the project includes the mit license?
[18:38] <bspencer> I believe MIT was added to allow for the potential of someone to create a solution with proprietary bits.  But here it is biting us.
[18:38] <rustyl_> i think tonyespy is correct... you can't add GPL licensed code from some other project into a code base that is dual licensed with MIT
[18:38] <lool> Well in Debian/Ubuntu packages we very often have to deal with this; it's best if the toplevel licensing file is correctly indicating which files are MIT+GPL and which are only GPL
[18:39] <rustyl_> if it's a new file, then yea, that's not a problem
[18:39] <bspencer> lool: can you point us to an example?
[18:39] <lool> rustyl_: It makes the code base a mixture of dual licensed + single licensed code which is effectively gpl
[18:39] <rustyl_> the issue is an existing file
[18:39] <lool> bspencer: Looking for one
[18:39] <bspencer> tonyespy: do you already know that you are wanting to pull in gnome-power-mgr stuff?
[18:39] <bspencer> or just guessing you might want to someday
[18:39] <rustyl_> i.e. the user of PPM would not really have the right to use the specific file as MIT (and throw away the rights enforce from the other codebase)
[18:40] <lool> bspencer: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/v/vlc/current/copyright
[18:40] <tonyespy> bspencer: i'm guessing based on my code review
[18:40] <lool> Example of a very complex copyright file listing in details copyright holders and licenses
[18:41] <tonyespy> lool: the end result is still gpl though right???
[18:41] <lool> If each source file says what it's licensed under (MIT+GPL for historic files and GPL for copied files), and the toplevel file summarizes, that's fine
[18:41] <lool> tonyespy: Yes
[18:41] <rustyl_> tonyespy, lool, we need to loop this back through our process for getting approval for open sourcing the code to see if we can make the code pure GPL
[18:41] <lool> tonyespy: Naturally, if you copy GPL over, you make everything GPL
[18:41] <lool> rustyl_: You don't need to really
[18:41] <tonyespy> lool: so the question is whether or not that's ok w/intel
[18:41] <lool> rustyl_: But the question is whether you're happy with this particular module moving from dual licensing to effectively GPL
[18:42] <tonyespy> lgpl is another way to allow linking of proprietary code...
[18:42] <lool> You can't make GPL code LGPL
[18:42] <tonyespy> lool: right, sorry...
[18:42] <tonyespy> anyways, i wanted to raise the issue...  not decided it here.
[18:42] <rustyl_> tonyespy, let me narrow this down some... do you have a need to pull in GPL code on existing files, or will this always be new modules?
[18:44] <tonyespy> rustyl_: right now i don't have a specific piece of code in mind.  i brought this up after doing a design/code review of ppm
[18:44] <tonyespy> rustyl_: which does *a lot* of what gnome-power-manager already does....
[18:44] <tonyespy> rustyl_: and there are certain improvements that have been suggested...
[18:44] <tonyespy> rustyl_: which already exist elsewhere....
[18:45] <rustyl_> I ask because the current licensing model doesn't really have an issue with new modues.  The issue is if you want to pull in pure GPL into the core infrastructure code
[18:46] <tonyespy> rustyl_: i'm not sure it works that way...
[18:46] <tonyespy> rustyl_: the problem's not with the existing code's license...
[18:46] <tonyespy> rustyl_: it's with the license of the source code
[18:46] <tonyespy> rustyl_: no pun intended
[18:47] <tonyespy> rustyl_: should have read 'source of the code'
[18:47] <robr-desk> tonyespy, can you be specific about what improvements are being requested?
[18:48] <bspencer> tonyespy: maybe you could send some patches and we can make a decision as we see the need
[18:48] <rustyl_> well... in order to get permission to change the license I need a clear, rock solid argument or else our process will rip me to pieces.  We should try to articulate / better under stand this in an off-line email
[18:48] <bspencer> we're open to discuss a hange if it makes sense.
[18:49] <rustyl_> maybe this can be captured in a bug report?
[18:49] <tonyespy> bspencer, rustyl_, robr-desk: i've posted an analysis on the private intel/canonical wiki
[18:49] <bspencer> tonyespy: start with some patches you want, then let's discuss again next week.
[18:49] <rustyl_> and then let the discussion be documented in the bug?
[18:49] <tonyespy> i can send a link to y'all via email if you'd like
[18:50] <davidm> 10 minute warning
[18:50] <rustyl_> ok, wiki will work
[18:50] <tonyespy> sure... i've also added a bunch of bugs...
[18:50] <tonyespy> rustyl_: just search for PPMAnalysis
[18:50] <lool> on intel.wiki.c.c
[18:50] <mabbas> by the way I dont have access to this wiki so I need access to read tony comments
[18:50] <tonyespy> rustyl_: or take a look at the ppm buglist on launchpad
[18:51] <davidm> mabbas, mawhalen can get you access
[18:51] <mabbas> thanks
[18:51] <tonyespy> that's it for me, unless anyone else has comments / questions
[18:51] <rustyl_> tonyespy, BTW, about creating an account... go ahead and send me your username, email, and ssh public key, and I will create the account and give you write access while John is on vacation
[18:51] <tonyespy> rustyl_: ok, thanks
[18:51] <mawhalen> Yes - I can get them access
[18:51] <davidm> OK
[18:52] <davidm> I have no further items on the wiki page.
[18:52] <davidm> any last minute items?
[18:53] <davidm> OK going once................................
[18:54] <davidm> OK going twice...............
[18:55] <davidm> #endmeeting
[18:55] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 19:55.
[18:55] <lool> Thanks
[18:55] <lool> rustyl_: Do you have a public document on moblin.org licensing guidance?
[18:55] <lool> Like "this and that layer of this arch must be this license"
[18:56] <rustyl_> lool, no... each project has it's own license
[18:56] <lool> rustyl_: Ok, and did you particularly care about ppm being 100% MIT+GPL?
[18:56] <rustyl_> lool, i don't know
[18:56] <bspencer> lool: ppm is part of another project:  lesswatts
[18:56] <lool> Ohh right
[18:56] <bspencer> so we share the licensing decision with them.
[18:56] <lool> I understand why we were wondering
[18:57] <lool> Okay, makes sense to me now
[18:57] <rustyl_> lool, to answer that question I would need to revisit the original arguments for what license to use
[18:57] <lool> Ok, understood
[18:58]  * lool moves to confcall &
[19:57] <bspencer> bfiller, davidm   who is your marketing guy?  John...
[19:58] <davidm> Jon is
[19:58] <bspencer> yeah.  last name?
[19:58] <davidm> Jon Melamut
[19:58] <bspencer> thx
[19:58] <davidm> NP
[21:06] <inuka_desk> ping GrueMaster
[21:21] <GrueMaster> INUKA_DESK:PONG
[21:22] <GrueMaster> inuka_desk: Pong
[21:22] <GrueMaster> caps was on
[21:23] <inuka_desk> GrueMaster: ok for a moment there I thought you were screaming :) for the CIP stuff... I have come across an issue
[21:23] <GrueMaster> Are you referring to the 7am meeting?
[21:24] <inuka_desk> if I play a certain clip twice helix dubs server freezes, plus there are 6 instance of helix ... .yes
[21:24] <inuka_desk> the behavior is consistent for several driver builds of Beta9 so its definitely nothing to do with the build/image
[21:25] <GrueMaster> Did you see my earlier email?  If you could, try to document what you have and post it to the shared drive.  You should have r/w permissions.
[21:25] <inuka_desk> GrueMaster: is there anything special I should look at or try to copy over?
[21:26] <GrueMaster> I'm currently testing the latest helix and the latest PSB on the latest Ubuntu snapshot (Beta3).  As soon as I get them all loaded, I'll run some tests and see if I see the same thing.
[21:26] <inuka_desk> GrueMaster: ok I will send you  a link to the clip I used.
[21:26] <GrueMaster> If you have a particular media clip that hangs, put it in the media folder.
[21:26] <GrueMaster> That will work too.
[21:27] <GrueMaster> Just use my internal email.  This IM client is on an external network running off my Linux laptop.
[21:28] <inuka_desk> GrueMaster: ok
[21:30] <GrueMaster> got it
[21:35] <crevette> hey
[21:36] <crevette> is there a way to test the mobile ubuntu on a normal x86 machine ?
[21:37] <GrueMaster> There are a couple of ways.  One is to make a live-rw-usb image and boot it, the other is to use a virtual machine, like Virtualbox.
[21:38] <GrueMaster> YOu will need to tweek the /etc/X11/xorg-crownbeach.conf file as it is hardcoded to a specific video chip.
[23:50] <tonyespy> rustyl_: ping
[23:54] <rustyl_> tonyespy, yeap
[23:55] <tonyespy> rustyl_: how do i create an account on moblin?  all i can find is the dev mailing list?
[23:55] <rustyl_> you can't do it via the web site
[23:55] <tonyespy> ahhh...
[23:55] <tonyespy> that explains much
[23:55] <rustyl_> send me the user name you want, your email to associate with and public ssh key
[23:56] <tonyespy> ok, will do.  thanks.