[06:29] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:33] <ricotz> oSoMoN, hello
[06:33] <ricotz> oSoMoN, please take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cargo/+bug/1986648
[06:34] <oSoMoN> hey ricotz
[06:35] <oSoMoN> ricotz, strictly speaking, it's only needed for bionic and focal for the time being (although it's a matter of time before it's required by a future thunderbird version)
[06:39] <ricotz> oSoMoN, yes, I assume there a rule to preserve an upgrade path, meaning newer releases should provide a corresponding version
[06:39] <ricotz> of such toolchain packagess
[06:39] <oSoMoN> true
[06:39] <oSoMoN> in any case, thanks for filing the bug, I've assigned it to the foundations team
[06:39] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN and ricotz
[06:40] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[06:40] <ricotz> oSoMoN, thanks
[06:40] <ricotz> hello duflu
[06:44] <jibel> Good morning
[06:44] <duflu> Hi jibel
[06:54] <bittin> morning
[06:55] <bittin> testing the canary image from yesterday for 22.10 today
[06:55] <oSoMoN> salut jibel
[06:55] <oSoMoN> good morning bittin
[07:00] <bittin> https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-desktop-installer/issues/1068
[07:02] <duflu> Morning bittin
[09:32] <jibel> jbicha, Hey FYI, I filed bug 1985128. 42.4 is in the unapproved queue. I specifically and rather urgently need fixes 2411 and 2412.
[09:32] <jibel> jbicha, Is there anything you'd like to add to the bug report, in particular the "regression potential" section
[09:34] <jbicha> jibel: Marco already uploaded 42.4 to jammy unapproved. You just need to ping a SRU team member to accept. See bug 1985304
[09:37] <jbicha> maybe change the bug back to its original text or something so that there's a unique test case for 1985128 since it's listed in the debian/changelog
[09:38] <jbicha> I'm going back to sleep
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[09:51] <KGB-0> gobject-introspection upstream/latest e841083 TestingPlant docs/gir-1.2.rnc * docs: Update documentation links in the GIR schema * https://deb.li/GPEz
[09:51] <KGB-0> gobject-introspection upstream/latest c166b7b Emmanuele Bassi meson.build * Update to 1.73.0 * https://deb.li/3ya0s
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[19:07] <jbicha> tjaalton: will you merge mesa from Debian Unstable sono? We think it will help with gtk4's build test failures in Kinetic
[19:07] <jbicha> soon
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[00:01] <whac-a-retro> It's bad because I didn't have a support question, I broke the guidelines, I should have taken it up with the operator personally. After I got banned from #xubuntu I went to the Freenode support channel but they turned me away because they're not a part of the Ubuntu IRC council. I don't need access, just want it. I'd like to help out in #xubuntu. I couldn't help out as much if I was only answering questions in #ubuntu, or
[00:02] <rww> your message hit the length limit at "questions in #ubuntu, or"
[00:02] <rww> @comment whac-a-retro repeated problematic content, multiple ops (three? four?) have told him that his ban will not be removed for the forseeable future. strongly recommend against removal without -ops-team discussion
[00:02] <rww> ... oops
[00:02] <rww> freaking putty and paste buffers
[00:03] <rww> @comment 66547 evasion of 66538, 14d
[00:05] <whac-a-retro> I will find somewhere else to chat. Thank you for your time.
[00:05]  * rww facepalms
[00:07] <IdleOne> lol
[00:07] <Unit193> whac-a-retro (if you read logs): Fair enough.  So now that you know that, I'm going to lift the ban.
[00:29] <leviathaan> back
[00:29] <leviathaan> sorry elky i was on the road
[00:34] <leviathaan> elky, can I have a question re. the quidelines, please?
[00:35] <elky> sure
[00:38] <elky> leviathaan: what would that question be?
[00:38] <leviathaan> i think being proactive should also be included in the guidelines
[00:39] <elky> how do you mean?
[00:47] <elky> leviathaan: how do you mean?
[00:53] <elky> if there's nothing more, please /part this channel so we can keep track of what needs tending to
[00:54] <elky> leviathaan: please.
[00:55] <leviathaan> by proactive I meant that everyone should genuinely want to help each other
[00:55] <leviathaan> i think we should genuinely want to help and be proactive and it should be part of the guidelines
[00:56] <elky> we'll take that into consideration
[00:57] <elky> leviathaan: anything else?
[00:58] <leviathaan> just a moment, please, let me re-read the guidelines to make sure I get everything
[00:59] <elky> you don't need to be here to do that.
[01:01] <leviathaan> why does everybody have + here?
[01:01] <leviathaan> like a crusade
[01:01] <elky> so we can easily see who is waiting
[01:02] <elky> you've spent quite enough time here now. it is time for you to move along
[01:03] <leviathaan> but all these other guys can stay but not me
[02:14] <smegma> i'm sorry, what are the guidlines for ubuntu irc channel?
[02:29] <phunyguy> !guidelines
[02:30] <smegma> cheers mate


[04:27] <mup> Bug #1933875 changed: [2.9] Existing networks for MAAS controllers gets spread across fabrics <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1933875>
[04:36] <mup> Bug #1933875 opened: [2.9] Existing networks for MAAS controllers gets spread across fabrics <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1933875>
[04:39] <mup> Bug #1933875 changed: [2.9] Existing networks for MAAS controllers gets spread across fabrics <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1933875>


[12:05] <l3on> HI all, the ubuntu-doc/jaunty bzr will be update? there are a lot of problems (such as a wrong index.html)...
[17:15] <persia> Does anyone happen to have the data to update https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes for Jaunty?
[17:18] <stpere> hi!
[17:18] <persia> Hey stpere.
[17:18] <stpere> is somebody already trying to update the UbuntuHashes page?
[17:19] <persia> I just asked if anyone had the data to do so, with no replies yet, so it's probably safe to assume no for now.
[17:19] <persia> This is subject to change of course :)
[17:19] <stpere> :)
[17:21] <stpere> is the login system broken?
[17:21] <stpere> OpenID verification requires that you click this button:
[17:21] <stpere> I click, and nothing happens
[17:22] <persia> Oh, that's tied to launchpad, which is very slow right now.
[17:22] <stpere> ok
[17:22] <persia> Just wait a bit: it may work, or it may generate an error.
[17:22] <stpere> then I will contribute an other time! thanks anyway :)
[17:22] <stpere> it did generate an error
[17:23] <stpere> oh, I will try in a minute
[17:23] <persia> Pity.  Try again in a few hours, and thanks for trying to help :)
[18:56] <sayakb> hey! where do moin issues go (for the ubuntu wiki)?
[18:59] <persia> sayakb, Do you mean bugs in the wiki itself, or bugs in the content?
[19:00] <sayakb> persia: not really bugs :) actually, I was about to request a page to be made private for the ubuntu brainstorm moderator team. is that done, or is out of the league?
[19:01] <persia> It's not usually done, I think.
[19:01] <persia> There are some restricted permissions to some pages on help.u.c, but none on wiki.u.c.
[19:02] <nhandler> sayakb: You can set up a private wiki on a separate server
[19:02] <sayakb> actually I was told that wiki has acls and probably, some pages have specific team access, thanks to LP openID
[19:03] <sayakb> but a separate wiki sounds even better
[19:04] <persia> And putting it on the same server as brainstorm might make it easier to align permissions (unless brainstorm has switched to OpenID)
[19:04] <nhandler> persia: Brainstorm uses the same accounts as qa.ubuntu.com
[19:05] <persia> nhandler, Ah.  It did that last time I checked, but that was several weeks ago, so I wasn't sure.
[19:05] <sayakb> persia: brainstorm will not do openID untill the drupal 6 migration afaik
[19:05] <persia> sayakb, That makes sense.


 @teward001 [so that there's tabs of "to Install" and "to Upgrade" next to each other insead …], because that are not tabs, is what Qt called QToolBox
 *those
 (Photo, 513x225) https://i.imgur.com/5Ll99Q8.jpg QTreeWidget
 (Photo, 514x259) https://i.imgur.com/0gUCuFS.jpg
 (Photo, 513x226) https://i.imgur.com/RMSWV9e.jpg w/o header looks nicer IMHO
 i actually like that better, with the tree widget
 looks a lot nicer
 (Photo, 508x222) https://i.imgur.com/bcGBwcT.jpg added icons (since there are no to delete it shouldn't appear, because people can freak out)
 @HMollerCl I think tree is the way to go.
 +1 on Tree, even though I get limited input :)
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 @kc2bez [@HMollerCl I think tree is the way to go.], +2 on Tree , looks very good to me😄
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 @tsimonq2 et al. https://perezmeyer.blogspot.com/2020/08/stepping-down-as-qt-6-maintainers.html
[13:54] <ItzSwirlz> Oof.
 @teward001 [+1 on Tree, even though I get limited input :)], what do you mean with limited input?
 @HMollerCl [what do you mean with limited input?], my opinion is worth dirt :)
 :P
 @kc2bez [@HMollerCl I think tree is the way to go.], +1
 @teward001 [my opinion is worth dirt :)], Your opinion isn't worth dirt but you are dirt
 *shots fired*
 @tsimonq2 [+1], +2
 @teward001 [my opinion is worth dirt :)], No but really, your opinion is worth something. It doesn't mean you get the final decision but you definitely provide a unique perspective
 @teward001 [my opinion is worth dirt :)], jajaj, every opinion is important.
 @tsimonq2 [No but really, your opinion is worth something. It doesn't mean you get the fina …], out of the box.
 I once had a CHief ho told me:"You need to be the first, the best, or differnt"
 @tsimonq2 [Your opinion isn't worth dirt but you are dirt], *sends you into the COVID farms*
 @tsimonq2 [No but really, your opinion is worth something. It doesn't mean you get the fina …], truth.  though my opinion doesn't hold as much sway as, say, yours :P
 at least when it comes to Lubuntu Design stuff
[17:19] <ItzSwirlz> Well you’re better than me
[17:19] <ItzSwirlz> I have no talent at all
[18:32] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rUPDATENOTIFIERdeba95028392: add affected package tree] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rUPDATENOTIFIERdeba95028392
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 I think tree looks best
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[14:22] <jcastro> hey mhall119
[14:23] <jcastro> do we have the vUDS sprint in launchpad yet?
[14:23] <jcastro> I can get the server folks to start submitting
[14:30] <cjohnston> jcastro: yes
[14:30] <mhall119> jcastro: yes https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-1311/
[14:30] <mhall119> has been there since UDS 13.11 was announced, actually
[14:30] <mhall119> summit is setup to import them now too, so bring on the BPs
[14:42] <jcastro> thanks!
[15:32] <mhall119> hmmm, no jono today?
[15:34] <pleia2> jcastro: I've been giving people http://uds.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/propose-a-session/
[15:34] <pleia2> muy helpful
[15:35] <pleia2> based on the initial email, they are due on friday
[15:36] <jcastro> pleia2, ta!
[15:40] <jcastro> mhall119, what's the deadline for submission?
[15:40] <jcastro> I'd like to lie to my folks outright and make it a week earlier than that.
[15:40] <jcastro> :p
[15:43] <pleia2> this friday
[15:43] <pleia2> nov 1st
[15:44] <jcastro> yikes
[15:44] <jcastro> that soon?
[15:46] <mhall119> jcastro: now you don't have to lie :)
[15:48] <jcastro> END OF DAY OR WE ALL DIE
[16:07] <mhall119> worse, if you fail to get your BP's in on time you'll be re-assined to responding to comments on Reddit and OMG!Ubuntu!
[16:30] <mhall119> jono: shall I cancel the weekly update this week?
[16:30] <jono> mhall119, yes please
[16:31] <jono> mhall119, btw http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-13.10/javascript/unity-webapps/
[16:31] <jono> API docs for web apps
[16:31] <jono> can you fix that?
[16:32] <mhall119> jono: there's an RT for it, I'll ask about it again today
[16:33] <mhall119> jose: are you around to change the ubuntuonair calendar?
[16:35] <jono> mhall119, can you see if they can fix it ASAP, this is a production service
[16:44] <jose> mhall119: I am
[16:48] <jose> event cancelled
[16:50] <mhall119> thanks jose, sorry for the late notice agian
[16:51] <jose> no worries
[16:51] <jcastro> hey jono/mhall
[16:51] <jono> hey jcastro
[16:51] <jcastro> does it make sense to have weekly updates this  month?
[16:52] <jono> jose, speaking of which, I can't do my Q+A this week
[16:52] <jcastro> I was thinking right after uds would make better sense?
[16:52] <jono> I am at a sprint
[16:52] <jono> jcastro, I think so
[16:52] <jose> jono: I'll cancel it now
[16:52] <jono> lots of work going on
[16:52] <jono> thanks jose
[16:52] <jose> sure
[17:03] <popey> yay, google adding planning hangouts
[17:03] <popey> so you can promote them ahead of time
[17:04] <popey> (on air that is)
[17:05] <popey> might be useful for us at vuds, pre-booking all the hangouts ahead of time
[17:35] <mhall119> jono: link is fixed now
[18:00] <jono> thanks mhall119
[20:40] <jono_> hey mhall119
[20:51] <mhall119> hey jono


[17:54] <phunyguy> @comment 67423 This guy is bad news, and already has a ban in place.  No need to remove any time soon.
[18:14] <DJones> Does ubottu need updating to show 15.04 results instead of 14.10 for !info prompts
[18:15] <Pici> DJones: yes.
[18:15] <Pici> I've reached out to tsimpson and jussi about it, but haven't heard anything back.
[18:15] <DJones> I have no idea how to do that, just noticed a utopic result in #u that made me wonder
[18:15] <DJones> alanbell may know how to change that
[18:16] <Pici> It can only be done by people with Owner access on ubottu, of which those two are the only ones with sufficient access.
[18:16] <DJones> Ah
[18:16] <Pici> alan and I both have admin, which isn't enigh.
[18:16] <Pici> *enough
[20:45] <bazhang> was it debain that gave dist-upgrade the version change idea
[20:45] <bazhang> sooo many people get confused about that
[20:45] <Pici> Only when combined with changing the sources.list file.
[20:48] <k1l> "back then" that was the way to upgrade to a new release
[20:49] <k1l> with the new apt, they named it sudo apt update&&sudo apt full-upgrade. which is still confusing with update and upgrade, but the missing "dist" is better imho
[20:51] <Unit193> A release or two ago, ubuntu-release-upgrader was a bit hit and miss with even finding them, so the old Debian Way™ had to be used by a few.
[20:51] <bazhang> I shiver to think when thenwas in 'back then'
[20:51] <bazhang> I cannot wait for snappy and dmg
[20:52] <ikonia> ubuntu-release-upgrader ??
[20:52] <ikonia> is that replacing update manager offering new releases ?
[20:52] <k1l> i am curious what problems come with snappy. but i like to adress the issues with PPAs.
[20:53] <bazhang> snappy, and add everything with all the libs independent
[20:53] <Unit193> ikonia: ubuntu-release-upgrader-core is what provides do-release-upgrade, the commandline version.
[20:53] <bazhang> much like dmg
[20:54] <bazhang> @random upgradeception snappy
[21:05] <Pici> I have no idea whats going on with this snappy stuff.  I think I'll stay in the dark for the time being.
[21:05] <Unit193> I went "Phone stuff, can ignore."
[21:05] <bazhang> ogra gave a great rundown in -release-party
[21:06] <bazhang> ubuntu as arch with rollback/restore
[21:06] <k1l> i see it as a chance to get rid of "i have 23343535 PPAs installed and now my apt-get is not working anymore
[21:06] <bazhang> all factoids can be replaced with !restore
[23:16] <Seveas> Getting this in PM from someone active in #ubuntu
[23:16] <Seveas> 01:16 <   mutherbag> | cocoony wants to finger your ass
[23:16] <Seveas> might be trouble looming
[23:31] <cocoony> hello...the user : mutherbag   ....makes stress ..i am newbie in linux and after i ask a question he writes pm to me and other users and writes rassism words
[23:34] <Seveas> !ops
[23:34] <Seveas> trouble it is indeed
[23:35] <cocoony> now the user writes lies in mainroom
[23:35] <cocoony> he lies
[23:37] <cocoony> !ops : motherbag writes hate in pm to me and now he writes in mainm
[23:38] <cocoony> the user mutherbag writes rassism words to me and now he writes in mainroom that i write this !!!!!! what a lier
[23:42] <genii> cocoony: You do not need to write the content of offensive PMs into the maion channel either. This is also not acceptable


[00:01] <charlie-tca> I am not sure who to ask, but this group of users really doesn't build those cd's
[00:02] <charlie-tca> Maybe ask in #ubuntu-installer
[00:02] <|val|> good idea
[00:06] <dwarrel_> Hi i was wondering how can i add a script/application to the bootup of xubuntu? in ubuntu there just a application for it but cant seem to find anything for xubuntu
[00:08] <MTec007> sessions & startup has a application autostart
[00:09] <dwarrel_> i need to install that?
[00:10] <charlie-tca> What version of Xubuntu do you have?
[00:11] <dwarrel_> think its 8.04 hmm what was the command to check it again?
[00:11] <charlie-tca> go to Applications -> Settings -> Settings Manager ->
[00:11] <charlie-tca> Autostarted apps
[00:13] <MTec007> charlie-tca: that changed in 9.04 though its different on mine atleast
[00:14] <charlie-tca> I know that. But if the person does not have 9.04, then they don't have sessions & startup, either.
[00:14] <dwarrel_> hmm sorry:S i think i might be at the rong place. :S somehow i just noticed im not running xfce, but lxde. That might explain why i cant find it....
[00:14] <MTec007> true:) i missed where he said 8.04, sorry
[00:14] <charlie-tca> dwarrel_: yes, that would probably be different
[00:14] <dwarrel_> :S im sorry for bothering you with my sleepy head
[00:14] <charlie-tca> no problem
[02:21] <KoshB5> anyone here know how to configure wireless in 9.04?  I can see the network but have no internet connection.
[03:12] <wolfwalker> I'm looking into going completely wireless internet, with Verizon USB modem.  Any word on which of Verizon's modems work better with (X)ubuntu 9.04?  I've done my homework and googled six ways from Sunday, but come up dry.
[07:44] <msa> ok, is this about X-server? My problem (and probably many others): jaunty is SLOW on ATI RADEON (hardy heron worked just fine). So looking to enable -the heron speed again?
[08:01] <moodog> Morning :)
[11:12] <xubnub> hi all :)
[11:17] <SiDi> hi
[11:48] <Gamarok__> !xforcevesa
[12:05] <valdur55> how can use Webcam?
[12:08] <patrick> hi
[12:08] <patrick> what is qt?
[12:08] <SiDi> its a c++ framework
[12:09] <patrick> is qt one of the pre-installed packages in xubuntu
[12:10] <SiDi> no
[12:10] <SiDi> only kubuntu has it by default
[12:11] <patrick> i dont remember installing that package
[12:13] <xubnub> SiDi: do you happen to know how i can find out what path my usb stick is (so i can for example format it?)
[12:13] <knome> patrick, you might have installed vlc or some other app that needs it.
[12:13] <patrick> yea
[12:13] <patrick> i installed vlc
[12:13] <patrick> that's solved the mystery
[12:14] <xubnub> vlc ftw!
[12:14] <patrick> thanks
[12:14] <knome> no problem.
[12:15] <SiDi> xubnub: its /dev/sd# usually
[12:15] <SiDi> if you have 1 hdd, then it will be B cause your stick will be the "second" hdd (thus second letter of the alphabet)
[12:16] <patrick> i tried to install openarena but i cancelled it because of the low download speed other packages needed by openarena were installed how to remove those packages?
[12:16] <SiDi> anyways xubnub use gparted for formatting, it'll find the key on its own
[12:16] <SiDi> xubnub: if you just wanna read the files your key hsould be automounted in /media/dis
[12:16] <SiDi> +k
[12:16] <patrick> i forgot the 2 packages installed
[12:16] <knome> patrick, "apt-cache depends openarena" shows you packages needed to install openarena
[12:17] <patrick> ok
[12:17] <knome> but those libraries might be needed by other apps
[12:17] <knome> so don't remove them without looking what else they will remove
[12:17] <patrick> no
[12:17] <xubnub> thanks, SiDi, but i had problems formatting it with gparted, but that's because i think my pendrive was still mounted lol
[12:17] <SiDi> xubnub in such case right click it in gparted and "unmount" ;)
[12:18] <patrick> only openarena depends on those i dont have many apps
[12:18] <knome> yeah, but it might also depend on some general libs
[12:18] <knome> :)
[12:18] <knome> you can never be sure
[12:18] <patrick> ...
[12:19] <patrick> i cant see the 2 packages
[12:20] <patrick> i will try searching
[12:20] <knome> okay
[12:20] <xubnub> yeah, it's /media/disk (because when i do 'cd /media/disk' and then 'ls' it lists the files i see in the file manager)
[12:21] <patrick> i only saw openarena-data
[12:22] <patrick> maybe it depends in the system
[12:22] <patrick> uhhh
[12:23] <valdur55> How use webcam?
[12:23] <patrick> i think you need to install a webapp like cheese
[12:24] <valdur55> Webcam is connected.
[12:24] <xubnub> but that's the strange thing, SiDi, now i can't unmount the volume, it says:
[12:24] <xubnub> Unable to unmount "4G Removable Volume":
[12:24] <xubnub> The volume "4G Removable Volume" was probably mounted manually on the command line
[12:24] <valdur55> sudo apt-get instal wepapp ??
[12:25] <xubnub> (which was not mounted by command line)
[12:25] <patrick> no
[12:25] <patrick> cheese instead of webapp
[12:25] <xubnub> and there is nothing accessing it (from what i can see)
[12:27] <valdur55> patrick: sudo apt-get install cheese ?
[12:27] <patrick> yea try it
[12:28] <valdur55> :P
[12:28] <valdur55> installed
[12:28] <patrick> try to run it then
[12:28] <valdur55> runed.
[12:28] <valdur55> runned.
[12:28] <valdur55> Loading :(
[12:31] <valdur55> damn..
[12:31] <valdur55> All is so white
[12:31] <patrick> what is the manufacturer and model of your cam?
[12:32] <patrick> it may be a compatibility issue
[12:32] <valdur55> Speedlink
[12:35] <valdur55> sl 6820
[12:42] <patrick> maybe it is in the settings of cheese
[12:43] <patrick> adjusting the white balance and sort of
[12:50] <sound_fx> Hello, I just did a clean install of Xubuntu 9.04, and in the upgrade, I've lost my sound, could anyone give any suggestions?
[12:52] <patrick> Applications > Multimedia > aumix
[12:52] <patrick> modify the settings there
[12:56] <maristo> hi all
[12:57] <maristo> i have problems with burning CDs on Xub 8.10 :/ wtf? Brasero doese'nt works
[13:05] <Gamarok__> !Gtkpod
[13:05] <Gamarok__> !gtkpod
[13:38] <knome> maristo, can you be more specific - which kind of problems?
[13:38] <maristo> burning stops
[13:38] <maristo> program reports error
[13:39] <knome> can you paste the error
[13:39] <knome> !pastebin
[13:39] <knome> (if it's long)
[13:39] <maristo> wait
[13:39] <knome> i have to go but this information should help others to go forward
[13:47] <patrick> what do you think is better rhythmbox or listen music player
[13:52] <maristo> knome, http://paste.ubuntu.com/173631/
[13:58] <Slonkie> patrick, i like Amarok or Banshee better :).
[14:13] <solotim> hi, group, I have a question regarding icewm, but I can't find people to ask, so may I ask the question here?
[14:14] <solotim> I can't see scim tray in my icewm desktop, although scim is workable, what should I do to solve it? thanks!
[14:14] <firsm> patrick, airo and mpd
[14:19] <Wizard> solotim: do any other application use tray properly?
[14:21] <solotim> pidgin's tray works
[14:23] <valdur55> any remote apps for linux?
[14:24] <solotim> Are u talking with me? valdur
[14:26] <valdur55> :P
[14:26] <valdur55> Nope :P
[14:29] <solotim> Wizanrd, any suggestion?
[14:41] <Wizard> hmm..
[14:41] <Wizard> i have no idea..
[14:41] <Wizard> i haven't use icewm for years :P
[14:43] <xubnub> yello... xeveryone ;p
[14:44] <Wizard> xi! xubnub
[14:45] <xubnub> wizard, please cast a spell of xubuntu xizdom on me, I really need that one :P
[14:47]  * Wizard cast such spell on xubnub
[14:49]  * xubnub feels a sudden rush of knowledge
[14:49] <xubnub> I CAN SEE IT ALL NOW!
[14:50] <Wizard> good
[14:50] <Wizard> if it was so easy..
[14:50] <Wizard> and seriously, what do you need to know?
[14:56] <xubnub> not really much, since every step i take to make a persistent USB install of a Xubuntu ends me up with MORE reading material concerning the most easy to do things, and the worse thing is that it acts directly into my problem solving part of my brains, so that means that i do in fact read up lol
[14:56] <Wizard> lol
[14:56] <Wizard> that shouldn't be very hard
[14:57] <Wizard> my friend did it in one hour
[14:57] <xubnub> i know, but not for someone who gets to use xubuntu for the 3rd time extensively :P
[14:57] <xubnub> let's see if i can fetch a post about it
[14:58] <Wizard> have you uesed unetbootin?
[14:59] <xubnub> http://paste.ubuntu.com/173660/
[14:59] <xubnub> yeah, and pendrivelinux
[15:00] <Wizard> and it didn't work?
[15:01] <xubnub> nope, but i think i know what the problem was, see, in gparted, i didn't realize that at the top-right corner, you could switch between physical drives
[15:01] <xubnub> so all this time, i've been formatting something else :S
[15:01] <xubnub> ...into a FAT16 partition :S
[15:02] <Wizard> oh my god :P
[15:03] <xubnub> i hope it's nothing serious, it's called /dev/sda5 but when i tried to partition it, it was locked, but it eventually showed up as FAT16 anyway
[15:04] <Ironicus> I have xubuntu on my laptop, I did some test and it's now totaly broke...
[15:04] <Ironicus> I want to install it again
[15:04] <Ironicus> but my comp don't want to start from cd again
[15:05] <Ironicus> and can't click directly on menu because it's a .exe
[15:06] <xubnub> i think something is flashed on your system, one time when i tried to boot to XP< my system said that it couldn't find the kernel (or boot record), and i saw that there was a usbstick put inside, so i removed it and rebooted... bad idea...
[15:06] <Slonkie> I'n jaunty, the folder "documents, music" etc is shows when you press the "Places" in the panel.. i updated from 8.10 to jaunty, but i don't have those, is there anyway to get them ?
[15:06] <Slonkie> in*
[15:07] <halz> Hi folks, I'm not having much luck getting flash player to work in firefox. not sure where I"m going wrong
[15:07] <Slonkie> Did you install "adobe-flashplugin" ?
[15:07] <charlie-tca> !flash | halz
[15:07] <xubnub> did you install the restricted?
[15:07] <xubnub> yea that's what i meant
[15:12] <halz> Charlie-tca and ubottu  I have done the apt-get install nonefree and downloaded the flash as well either work, its usually not this hard.
[15:14] <Slonkie> I weren't able to make the flashplugin-nonfree work either, then i tried adobe-flashplugin and it worked.
[15:14] <Slonkie> A thing which is important is that you don't have macromedia flash installed.
[15:16] <halz> Slonkie: how do I know if I have the macromedia one installed?
[15:16] <Mamoruchan> Hi all
[15:16] <Slonkie> go into the addons manager in firefox and check
[15:16] <Slonkie> !hi | Mamoruchan
[15:17] <halz> tahnks :)
[15:21] <xubnub> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo ubiquity --desktop %k gtk_ui
[15:21] <xubnub> error: libhal_acquire_global_interface_lock: org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.InterfaceAlreadyLocked: The interface org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Storage is already exclusively locked either by someone else or it's already locked by yourself
[15:21] <xubnub> somehow, ubiquity fails :S
[15:22] <charlie-tca> xubnub: is that a usb drive? Was it plugged in in Windows?
[15:23] <xubnub> nope, it's just on a liveCD, and when i click on it, nothing happens, so then i decided to work the command line in terminal ,and that's the result
[15:23] <charlie-tca> What version of Xubuntu?
[15:23] <xubnub> 9.04
[15:23] <xubnub> the latest
[15:23] <charlie-tca> You have to burn it to a cd, then restart with it in
[15:24] <charlie-tca> It might be a bad burn
[15:24] <charlie-tca> does it pass md5sum checks?
[15:24] <xubnub> thought so, but it said that the disk integrity was fine...
[15:24] <xubnub> disk integrity = md5sum ?
[15:25] <xubnub> or is it something completely different?
[15:25] <charlie-tca> There is disk integrity check from the cd menu and there is md5sum
[15:25] <xubnub> hmm
[15:25] <xubnub> can i check it while running it here?
[15:25] <charlie-tca> You can check md5sum, yes
[15:27] <charlie-tca> !md5
[15:27] <xubnub> thanks
[15:27] <xubnub> [checking...]
[15:32] <Slonkie> !panels
[15:33] <Slonkie> How do i restart the panels?
[15:33] <Slonkie> tried xfce4-panel -restart
[15:34] <charlie-tca> In a tty or using alt+f2, should be just "xfce4-panel"
[15:34] <charlie-tca> or did it change commands for jaunty?
[15:35] <charlie-tca> Same command. It doesn't work?
[15:36] <halz> hi again: is there a way of backing up my packages that get downloaded, and can I share these on other computers?
[15:36] <Mamoruchan> do anyone have problems with pon command in 9.04? pon <connect name> bring up two pptp tunnels instead of one
[15:37] <charlie-tca> halz: there is a way
[15:37] <halz> charlie-tca: sounds promising. :)
[15:37] <charlie-tca> Now let me try to find it
[15:38] <Slonkie> just typing xfce4-panel doesn't restart them, charlie-tca :/
[15:38] <charlie-tca> !info apt-cacher
[15:38] <Slonkie> using alt-f2
[15:38] <charlie-tca> halz: should look at apt-cacher
[15:39] <halz> charlie-tca: thanks I'll check it out
[15:40] <charlie-tca> hmmm
[15:40] <charlie-tca> Slonkie: more than just the panels then
[15:40] <charlie-tca> Maybe try restarting the computer, not just suspend, but a full restart
[15:40] <Slonkie> yeah it's not that important
[16:31] <Slonkie> What's the command to take a screenshot?
[16:33] <charlie-tca> printscreen key
[16:34] <Slonkie> No it doesn't work
[16:34] <charlie-tca> or to take a full screen: xfce4-screenshooter -f
[16:34] <charlie-tca> window only: xfce4-screenshooter -w
[16:35] <charlie-tca> 9.04?
[16:35] <Slonkie> sorry it does work. but i asks me for a place to save
[16:35] <Slonkie> i just want it to automaticly save it on the desktop, that's what the button "screenshot" does
[16:35] <charlie-tca> When you tell it where to save, it should have the screenshot
[16:36] <charlie-tca> I thought it saves to your home directory, not desktop
[16:36] <Slonkie> Well it doesn't
[17:26] <xubnub> charlie-tca: i checked the .iso md5sum on windows with winMD5sum, and everything was OK :S
[17:28] <charlie-tca> will it autostart when you boot with it in the drive?
[17:30] <xubnub> well, in a way
[17:30] <xubnub> it says that my volume is locked
[17:31] <xubnub> but now i formatted it to FAT16
[17:31] <xubnub> w8 are you talking about the liveCD?
[17:31] <charlie-tca> What do you mean, in a way?
[17:32] <xubnub> well it does show a response (my USBstick) but it fails to mount
[17:32] <charlie-tca> So, this is a liveCD on a USB stick?
[17:33] <xubnub> "charlie-tca: will it autostart when you boot with it in the drive?"  < were you talking about the USB stick or liveCD?
[17:33] <charlie-tca> What are you having problems with?
[17:33] <xubnub> because now i'm trying to have is a persistent liveCD environment on my USB stick
[17:34] <xubnub> let's see, i am now unplugging and re-plugging the usbstick
[17:35] <charlie-tca> This is the best how-to I know of for that:
[17:35] <charlie-tca> http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/ubuntu-from-your-flash-drive-easier-than-ever-before/
[17:37] <xubnub> Failed to mount "4G Removable Volume". The enclosing drive for the volume is locked. DAAAAMN
[17:37] <xubnub> iz it becuz it iz FAT16?
[17:38] <xubnub> wat... but i can access it, and it has this dir: /tmp/tmpuHsWqy
[17:38] <xubnub> linux is strange :|
[17:39] <charlie-tca> That happens normally because you mounted it under windows and did not unmount it correctly
[17:39] <slow-motion> hi
[17:39] <charlie-tca> !hi | slow-motion
[17:40] <slow-motion> hi charlie-tca
[17:40] <xubnub> hi slow-motion
[17:40] <slow-motion> hi xubnub
[17:41] <xubnub> well, to be honest, charlie-tca, i reformatted it and used 'safely remove hardware' everytime i used the stick :S
[17:41] <charlie-tca> I don't know what is wrong, then.
[17:43] <xubnub> no prob, i'll just try to install a persistent xubuntu on it and keep my fingers crossed hehe :P
[17:43] <xubnub> thanks for all the help btw
[17:55] <vidd> how do you restart X since they disabled ctrl+alt+bksp?
[17:57] <charlie-tca> vidd: alt+SysRq+k
[17:57] <charlie-tca> SysRq is the printscreen key, if it is not labeled
[17:57] <vidd> ok ty'
[17:58] <vidd> dunno why they cant leave well enough alone
[17:58] <charlie-tca> they said you can enable it, but most users are confused by hitting accidently...
[17:58] <knome> "accidently" :P
[17:59] <charlie-tca> Yeah, apparently, windows users trying to hit ctrl-alt-del
[18:03]  * Feldegastr has never used ctrl+alt+bksp in windows..
[18:03] <charlie-tca> Some of the portables have the bksp and del keys next to each other
[18:04] <Feldegastr> getting kde to use the defined video settings on start would be nice.....
[18:04] <charlie-tca> They try for ctrl+alt+del and get bksp instead
[18:04] <knome> true
[18:04] <Feldegastr> what are they? mac users? ;-)
[18:04] <charlie-tca> you have to ask in #kubuntu about kde
[18:04] <knome> or maybe even #kde ;P
[18:05] <Feldegastr> yeah i know :)
[18:05] <charlie-tca> You never used ctrl-alt-del in windows?
[18:05] <Feldegastr> all the time, i never used ctrl+alt+bksp
[18:05] <charlie-tca> neither did anyone else
[18:06] <Feldegastr> that's why i mentioned mac, cos they don't have a del key
[18:10] <xubnub> Installation is complete.  You may now reboot your computer with this USB thumb drive inserted to boot Ubuntu.
[18:10] <xubnub> wish me luck you guys
[18:10] <xubnub> (also pretty lol, i couldn't copypaste this message, though drag and drop sufficed) :S
[18:10] <xubnub> anyway, hopefully brb
[18:25] <xubnub> :(
[18:56] <Bongolian> Got a bit of a question. On 9.04 and so far so good but it seems one of my applications installed the menu icon in Accessories where it should have been Network. Trying to change via /usr/share/applications fails as apparently I don't have permissions.
[18:56] <Bongolian> perhaps I'm missing something obvious?
[18:57] <Slonkie> you need to use sudo in order to change the .desktop file
[18:57] <charlie-tca> copy the .desktop file to '~/.config/xdg/menus' and change it there
[18:58] <Slonkie> if he copies the file, he'll just be having 2 icons ?
[18:59] <Bongolian> using the Sudo command seemed familiar as I do recall it once working but unfortunately I lost my notes on what that step was to change it in that way
[18:59] <charlie-tca> No, the user home file takes priority over the /usr files
[18:59] <Slonkie> ah cool.
[19:00] <charlie-tca> anything in ~/.config overrides /usr/share/applications
[19:00] <charlie-tca> with the advantage that it will not be overridden by upgrades/updates to your system
[19:01] <charlie-tca> You can also create desktop entries in '~/.local/share/applications' to override the existing applications (change or hide) or add new ones.
[19:02] <charlie-tca> oops, gave the wrong one first
[19:03] <knome> hah:)
[19:03] <Bongolian> it looks like what I have in the .local/share/applications is just defaults.list
[19:05] <charlie-tca> copy the file you tried to modify to there and modify it.
[19:08] <Bongolian> Got it. What I had to do was to copy the app icon from usr/share/applications to .local/share/applications then save as: to my desktop THEN C&P it back to .local/share/applications then it worked
[19:08] <charlie-tca> :-)
[19:09] <Bongolian> a bit of a long way around bit it works just the same
[19:10] <Bongolian> muchas gracias for the help  :-D
[19:11] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[19:18] <xubnub> i have a quetion as well, i'm trying to do a persistent liveUSB install and did it this way: http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/ubuntu-from-your-flash-drive-easier-than-ever-before/
[19:19] <xubnub> but, when i try to bootup, i get a strange prompt: http://paste.ubuntu.com/173795/
[19:19] <xubnub> this happens after i see the bootmenu with options like "check disk integrity" and "install linux on hard drive"
[19:20] <charlie-tca> that's called a busybox error
[19:20] <xubnub> ouch
[19:20] <xubnub> that doesn't mean good right?
[19:20] <charlie-tca> but I don't know how to get around it.
[19:20] <charlie-tca> try typing exit and hit enter. see what it does
[19:21] <charlie-tca> usually means it is bad broke
[19:21] <xubnub> hmm, i guess it will reboot, but i'll try
[19:35] <lynxje> Hey, got a question, when I change the visible items in my XFCE menu in the menu editor (for instance I removed the visiblity of an item), the change doesn't show in my actual menu. What am I doing wrong? :)
[19:36] <xubnub> charlie-tca: http://img198.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=p5150009.jpg
[19:53] <Slonkie> Would it be possible to enable ctrl+c/ctrl-v shortcuts for copy/paste in xfce4-terminal?
[20:07] <Slonkie> In Jaunty i've got at problem, i have an application called Maple (Java based) which is unable to print, it say's that "no print service was found" - Is anybody aware of an solution for this? It worked fine in Intrepid
[20:24] <slow-motion>  <xubnub> charlie-tca: http://img198.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=p5150009.jpg < buy a new harddisk
[20:25] <slow-motion> whoops he is gone
[20:38] <rafkid> evening - I have an Advent 7087 LE1D laptop with Xubuntu Jaunty loaded - the keyboard type is not recognized - any dieas where to begin?
[20:39] <rafkid> ideas even
[20:40] <SiDi> Apps -> Settings -> Keyboards, and chose the keyboard physical layout matching yours
[20:40] <Slonkie> In Jaunty i've got at problem, i have an application called Maple (Java based) which is unable to print, it say's that "no print service was found" - Is anybody aware of an solution for this? It worked fine in Intrepid
[20:41] <rafkid> @SiDi ty SiDi - will try this again
[20:41] <SiDi> Slonkie: http://www.mapleprimes.com/forum/printing-with-maple-11-in-linux
[20:41] <SiDi> Slonkie: go to apps -> system -> services and ensure cups is running please
[20:42] <Slonkie> cups is running
[20:43] <rafkid> @SiDi tried again - it is none of the listed keyboards - my problem is that the Fn keys to turn up the sound don't work whereas the screen brightness does
[20:44] <SiDi> rafkid: oh, its that
[20:44] <SiDi> rafkid: please type pgrep xfce4-settings-helper and tell me the result
[20:44] <Slonkie> well there seems to be an solution on that site SiDi, but can you tell me where the cups configutarion files are stored and how to start/stop cups?
[20:45] <SiDi> Slonkie: sudo /etc/init.d/cups start|stop|force-reload|restart
[20:45] <SiDi>  /etc/cups/*
[20:45] <Slonkie> Thanks!
[20:46] <rafkid> @SiDi  pgrep xfce4-settings-helper returned precisely nothing unfortunately
[20:46] <SiDi> rafkid: alright :)
[20:46] <SiDi> rafkid: then apps -> system -> sessions and startup
[20:46] <SiDi> and check in the list of startup applications, it should be there but unchecked
[20:46] <SiDi> please check it
[20:47] <SiDi> and also, run "xfce4-settings-helper" in Alt+F2 in order to launch it right now
[20:47] <SiDi> and check how keyboard shortcuts work after that
[20:48] <rafkid> @SiDi done these both
[20:49] <SiDi> rafkid: how does it work now ? still doesnt work ,
[20:49] <SiDi> ? *
[20:49] <rafkid> 2 secs
[20:51] <SiDi> Also, check in system -> Parameters -> keyboard, tab shortcuts, that you have a shortcut such as amixer sset Master 10%+ (or aumix -v +10) | XF86AudioRaiseVolume
[20:51] <SiDi> if not, add it and then the volume up key should work
[20:51] <rafkid> @SiDi still no joy although now the sound is louder - no apparent increase with Fn right arrow though
[20:52] <rafkid> ah
[20:52] <rafkid> ok
[20:54] <SiDi> (it seems on some installs settings-helper and keyboard shortcuts were not properly set by default, btw)
[20:56] <rafkid> @SiDi the 2eb6ard keyboard is reversed with numlock on
[20:56] <rafkid> @SiDi there is no parameters section under system.................
[20:57] <SiDi> Settings, sorry
[20:57]  * SiDi translates from french.
[20:57] <rafkid> ah
[20:59] <rafkid> @SiDi still no joy with system->settings-> etc
[21:00] <rafkid> does not exist
[21:01] <rafkid> @SiDi I would choose a named keyboard if I knew which one it was the same as?
[21:02] <SiDi> if yours isnt there, keep the default one  rafkid
[21:02] <rafkid> k
[21:02] <SiDi> ah whatever
[21:03] <rafkid> back
[21:05] <rafkid> @SiDi kept the default keyboard - it still does not register all the Fn keys - can't adjust sound - sob!
[21:07] <SiDi> rafkid: did you check if there were those keyboard shortcuts ?
[21:07] <SiDi> Applications menu -> XFCE parameters/Settings -> Keyboard | on the window, chose tab named "Shortcuts"
[21:08] <SiDi> This time the path should be correct ;)
[21:08]  * SiDi is tired.
[21:09] <rafkid> @SiDi so sorry - done this - there are paths now to some xfce paths - which one should we look at?
[21:10] <rafkid> @SiDi if your tired we can leave this for now? Thanks very much for the help btw
[21:10] <SiDi> rafkid: you're looking for the "Keyboard" window
[21:10]  * SiDi uploading a screenshot
[21:11] <rafkid> @SiDi found the Keyboard tab - cn 5 send s screen sh6t+
[21:11] <knome> WUT?
[21:11] <knome> :)
[21:12] <SiDi> knome: same reaction inside my brain
[21:12] <rafkid> @SiDi sorry - can I send u a screen shot?
[21:12] <SiDi> yes, you can
[21:12] <knome> use a image hosting site
[21:12] <SiDi> and since mine has finished uploading i'll put it here
[21:12] <SiDi> http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/4278/capturec.jpg
[21:12] <SiDi> yeh, use imageshack.us please, i'm on a webchat client, it doesn't support CTCP requests
[21:12] <rafkid> k
[21:13] <knome> and that way somebody else can also help
[21:17] <Slonkie> What does it mean that i'm suppose to create a symlink with this inside "/usr/lib# ln -s libcups.so.2 libcups.so"
[21:18] <SiDi> It means exactly whats written
[21:19] <Slonkie> let me rephrase that, how do i create a symlink?
[21:19] <knome> Slonkie, cd /usr/lib/
[21:19] <SiDi> ie. you go to /usr/lib, as root (see the # ? it means as root, so add sudo before the command)
[21:19] <knome> Slonkie, sudo ln -s libcups.so.2 libcups.so
[21:19] <SiDi> and you type the command there
[21:19] <SiDi> it'll make a file named "libcups.so" that'll directly point to libcups.so.2 which is the actual version of the lib
[21:20] <Slonkie> okay
[21:20] <Slonkie> stupid maple
[21:20] <SiDi> basically apps grab the lib by using the version without a .number at the end, but this kind of notation allows you to have different versions of a lib, even if i have no idea how you can choose which to use :p
[21:21] <knome> SiDi, by creating a symlink i suppose :P
[21:22] <Slonkie> now when i print in maple it just says "printing", not asking me which printer or anything :/
[21:25] <SiDi> knome: yeh, one more :P
[21:26] <SiDi> Slonkie: #maple :P
[21:27] <Slonkie> Wish that channel existed SiDi :)
[21:27] <Slonkie> I
[21:27] <rafkid> @SiDi many thanks - defeated by imageshack registration for this evening will try again tomorrow - thanks again
[21:27] <SiDi> rafkid: you dont need to register
[21:27] <rafkid> grief
[21:27] <SiDi> well anyways, check your shortcuts :)
[21:28] <SiDi> the commands for volume up/down/toggle are amixer sset Master 5%+        5%-         toggle
[21:28]  * SiDi goes back to his project report for RezTorrent ><''
[21:28] <knome> hah
[21:31] <SiDi> I really can't find WHY but when testing on <IP_ADDRESS> the client really goes berserk :/
[21:31] <knome> hah
[21:31] <SiDi> there's a TCP paquets mess
[21:31] <knome> would it be because it's localhost? :P
[21:31] <SiDi> I've been readin a whole wireshark output, testing manually all kinds of host/network byte order conversions, and couldnt fix the damn bug
[21:32] <SiDi> which doesnt seem to happen when not on loopback but when on wlan0 :/
[21:32] <SiDi> ive spent like 3 hours on it :P
[21:34] <rafkid> @SiDi this any good? http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/7189/raf25d2eyb6ard.png
[21:36] <SiDi> yes
[21:36] <SiDi> now add "amixer sset Master 5%+"
[21:36] <SiDi> and chose your volume up key
[21:37] <SiDi> do the same for down, replace 5%+ by -
[21:37] <SiDi> and test them
[21:37] <rafkid> k
[21:40] <rafkid> @Sidi very nice try - no joy though - it accepted the shortcuts but they dont do anything
[21:41] <SiDi> rafkid: try them in a console :)
[21:41] <SiDi> and try "aumix -v +5" too
[21:47] <rafkid> amixer sset Master 5%+ changes a digital vlaue nicley - but the sound volume stays the same eithe rup or down - u really have been very helpful - i will leave u in pece now - many thanks
[21:48] <rafkid> night
[21:48] <knome> night rafkid
[22:20]  * GaeliX is away: fsck -yfv -C fd /dev/brain
[22:22] <Slonkie> I'n jaunty, the folder "documents, music" etc is shows when you press the "Places" in the panel.. i updated from 8.10 to jaunty, but i don't have those, is there anyway to get them ?
[22:35]  * GaeliX is back (gone 00:15:06)
[22:37] <slow-motion> n8
[23:06] <artistxe> trying to find a list of games that I can play in terminal . anyone know how to get that list ?
[23:06] <artistxe> built-in . not addons
[23:10] <artistxe> oh. no wonder. is bsdgames package.
[23:11] <Wizard> artistxe: wtf :D
[23:11] <artistxe> wtf what ?


[00:30] <steve7233> Please hel[. I just tried to install virtualbox from https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads , and the QApt package installer says "error can not satisfy depedences". How do I fix this?
[00:30] <steve7233> [18:29] [Error] Please: Unknown command.
 what version of kubuntu are you running?
 virtualbox/focal-updates 6.1.10 is in the 20.04 repos, thus I recommend installing that instead.
[00:38] <steve7233> Stupid program. konversation thought I wase entering a command but I was asking for help on getting virtualbox to install. QApt says, "can not satisfy depedancys". installing packge from, https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads then, https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/6.1.12/virtualbox-6.1_6.1.12-139181~Ubuntu~bionic_amd64.deb
[00:41] <steve7233> Kubuntu 20.04
 Did you find instruction to install bionic packages on focal?  Are you sure you downloaded the 20.04 version of VB?
[00:47] <steve7233> I just tried again and the file saver is asking me if I want to overwite the fille so yes I downloaded the correct one.
[00:48] <steve7233> website says Ubuntu 19i.10/20.04
[00:49] <steve7233> sticky keyboard.
[00:50] <oerheks> why not use the good packages from softwarecenter??
[00:51] <oerheks> "they" have no focal candidates https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/6.1.12/
[00:52] <steve7233> an old post says that one is an OSE version and is not supported.
[00:52] <oerheks> yeah.. but no focal candidates
[00:52] <oerheks> you have to wait.
[00:56] <steve7233> I need it for Learnkey as the Linux version of Firefox appears not to work with their web site, so I am trying to run Win 10 Pro VM.
[00:56] <oerheks> ohh, use KVM
[00:57] <oerheks> https://getlabsdone.com/10-easy-steps-to-install-windows-10-on-linux-kvm/
[00:58] <steve7233> Thanks I will give it a try.
[00:58] <steve7233> Probaly have to rebuild my VM. That would suck.
[01:01] <steve7233> See you folks later.
[01:16] <steve7233> The instructions at https://getlabsdone.com/10-easy-steps-to-install-windows-10-on-linux-kvm/#Creation-of-Windows-10-KVM-VM do not work.
[01:22] <steve7233> OK. They have the wrong command. They say 'virt manager", but it should be "virt-manager".
[01:24] <steve7233> The virtual machine manager says 'QEMU/KVM - Not Connected'.
[01:53] <steve7233> where  can I get help setting up KVM?
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xUCfWGEa20
 Or this one might be better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozYKkaVK0_A
[02:11] <steve7233> IRc dosn't seem very helpful at the moment.
[11:48] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
 (Photo, 1076x940) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/iyKnO9BT/file_34753.jpg Hi, does anyone know how to add this option to plasma? It should work with Nvidia in the 'On Demand' mode, when I use the neveau drivers I saw a similar option trough the advanced settings of the launcher but when I switch to the nvidia drivers can't find the option
 Looks cool, I can't help you btw
 @Franzpow, I've been testing distros these days, the ones that have the option are Ubuntu, Pop_Os and Linux Mint, but I really like kubuntu/ Kde Neon, would be great to have that
 If anyone knows please 🙏
[12:54] <oerheks> with nvidia drivers installed, they are already activated?
[12:55] <oerheks>  sudo lshw -c video # would show
[13:18] <oerheks> can you describe the issue?
[13:50] <catalin> Hi!
[13:50] <catalin> Is there a way to see some logs. Entire computer crashes randomly at times. Mouse still moves on screen. Num Lock is frozen. Whole screen (except for mouse) is frozen.
[13:51] <catalin> Ctrl-Alt-Del repeatedly won't make the system restart.
[13:52] <catalin> I'm running Kubuntu 20.04
[14:04] <catalin> ??
[14:27] <matthew_> Hello is it possible to have a seperate theme for some applications. I want to use breeze dark however some applications break when using it (black text on black background).
[14:28] <diogenes_> matthew_, what applications?
[14:30] <BluesKaj> catalin, alt+space type konsole, in the konsole type reboot
[14:36] <matthew_> libreoffice is the only one i've noticed so far
[14:37] <catalin> crashed again just now
[14:37] <catalin> i'm back
[14:38] <catalin> crash happens following the entry: Catalin kernel: [131647.456973] nouveau 0000:03:00.0: Xorg[938]: nv50cal_space: -16
[14:38] <catalin> according to Google: nv50cal_space *basically* means the GPU has hung -- it's when we run out of IB space for pushbuf submission.
[14:40] <diogenes_> catalin, ask in /j #nouveau
[14:43] <diogenes_> matthew_, look in synaptip for libreoffice specific themes, other apps might even be gtk or some proprietary compiled with builtin libs like zoom or anydesk.
[14:44] <matthew_> thanks I'll have a look
[14:46] <catalinp86> [Channel] Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
[14:46] <catalinp86> despite registering a nick and all
 @Daniel, Could someone help me with this please? 🙏
 Daniel, did you install the NVidia drivers?
[15:38] <jwednesday> hi all I have an issue with my TouchPad not working after changing the hard drive to an SSD in a Dell n5010 with Kubuntu 20.04.1 installed. I tried several things prior to reinstalling the OS and I am stuck as to what to try next. Thanks
 Does the touchpad work when Live booted?
[15:39] <jwednesday> I didn't test that. brb
[15:54] <jwednesday> The answer is no the touchpad does not work
 The last item in this article says the touchpad can be toggled... by chance is this the problem? https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=270489
[15:58] <jwednesday> hold on. I tried the toggle but not under the circustances that you just mentioned. Let me try it again. When I toggled it prior, it kept saying it was off
[16:07] <jwednesday> In regard to the touchpad button, it says, "Touchpad Off"
 2 things to check: Sytem Settings -> Input Devices -> Trouchpad -> Gener: Device enabled.  If device is not available ensure the touchpad enabled in the BIOS.  Maybe BIOS needs updated?
[16:11] <jwednesday> I tried the system settings but have not done the bios update. I am struggling with it. I download the fill but cannot get "first boot" or initial boot to come up.
[16:11] <jwednesday> fill=file
[16:14] <jwednesday> I cannot get the usb to be bootable. There is a Ubuntu program but it does not exist in Kubuntu 20.04
 This might work (I have used UNetbootin several years ago): https://vander.host/knowledgebase/operating-systems/how-do-make-a-usb-bootable-dos-drive-to-update-a-pc-bios-using-linux/
[16:20] <jwednesday> I looked for it in Kubuntu 20.04 but it doesn't seem to exist.
[16:21] <jwednesday> am I wrong?
 Step 2: add the repository to enable unetbootin install.
[17:18] <jwednesday> ok, I ran the bios update and it went from A04 to A15. I found a driver for the Touchpad on the Dell site downloaded it and it would not run. The message says cannot run in DOS mode.
 Dell drives are typically on for window.  Ensure the TP is enable in the BIOS (I have never seen a BIOS toggle a touchpad, just going by the comments in the link above).  Also, did you try the shortcut toggle after the BIOS update?
 Maybe the toggle requires using the function key as part of the shortcut depending on the state of the function key8 default?
[17:23] <jwednesday> ok, let me check
[17:36] <jwednesday> ok, I checked in the bios and there is no TP setting. I checked in setting and under input devices the message says No Touchpad found. Under enable/disable Touchpad things are grayed out.
[17:37] <jwednesday> Is there some way I can run the exe file related to the TP?
[17:38] <diogenes_> jwednesday, tried reinstalling the driver?
[17:40] <jwednesday> the error I got was that I could not run in DOS mode. Is there something I should change? Also, I looked under keyboard and it says I am using the generic one and not Dell ... hmmm
 touchpad windows drivers do not apply to linux.
[17:42] <jwednesday> oh
[17:43] <jwednesday> I get it now ... I have not worked in the Windows world for a long time.
[17:45] <jwednesday> Do you think it has anything to do with XORG setting or permissions?
 cat /proc/bus/input/devices > ip.txt & kate ip.txt
 ctrl-f for touch
[17:48] <jwednesday> 1 sec
 I am reading off of the page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingTouchpadDetection
 but that webpage somewhat assume the touchpad is enabled and working.  From your description, I think your touch is disable via HW/BIOS.
[17:54] <jwednesday> the only weird one I see is HID 413c:8161 ... not sure what that is
[17:57] <jwednesday> the external mouse is working
[18:03] <jwednesday> I followed the remove of the synaptics
[18:10] <jwednesday> I uninstalled and reinstalled xserver-xorg-input-synaptics. When I went to reinstall it I saw at the top it said suggested packages ... gpointing-device-settings and touchfreeze. There are no apt-get packages and said referred bto by another package.
 @DarinMiller, Yes, I did that, everything went ok, I didn't have any error, after rebooting, I opened Nvidia xserver settings and changed the mode to 'On Demand' everything works fine, suspend works ok too, but I have to reconfigure my monitors every reboot
 Daniel, ensure to System Settings -> Display and Monitor -> Display configuration to arrange the monitor layout as that seems to have the "last say" for the configuration layout after reboot.
[18:17] <jwednesday> where would I find the nvidia settings?
 Under System Settings -> Settings  (or alt-spacebar and type nvdia-settings <enter>)
[18:20] <jwednesday> I don't have any nvidia settings
 @DarinMiller, I go there every reboot, and the settings are ok but the monitors are not according to that settings, I mean that the settings show me the primary monitor being the 2nd one but in real life is the first one, another interesting thing I forgot to mention is that every while the laptop monitor goes black and I have to change something in the display settings to make it work again.
[18:24] <jwednesday> interesting. Should I have nvidia installed? I have no issues when I reboot
 Not unless you have an Nvidia card.  My reply was directed at Daniel.  (Frustrating limitation of non-threaded chats....)
 Another interesting thing that I read in the forums and is true in my case, is that if I disconnect the 2nd monitor, reboot and connect the monitor again, it works fine and remembers the settings
 I have this problem with KDE Neon too, Ubuntu and Mint work fine, but I would like to switch to Kubuntu or Neon the following days
 I have a monitor that does not always wake from sleep before the video init completes (issue on both windows and linux).  I use this script (assign to kb shortcut meta+shift+f) to fix the sleeping monitor. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/v6gwKJQPfc/
 But all my laptops work fine (except in Wayland mode under Neon Dev unstable - but I somewhat expect strange issues with NDU)
 @DarinMiller, Ok Darin, thanks! I'll check this in my testing partition, thanks!
[19:18] <jwednesday> I'm guessing I have to file a bug report
 Check out this reference:  https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dell_Inspiron_N5010#Touchpad
 looks like you need to install the following to use it: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dell_Inspiron_N5010#Touchpad
[20:46] <omerbustun> hello
[21:28] <hrv> anyone ? soft for rooting mobile
[21:54] <ville_> kubuntu rules!
[21:54] <ville_> kubuntu rules!
 preachin' to the choir... :)
[21:54] <ville_> Hi, bot
 ircbot is an IRC bridge to telegram....
[22:49] <thomas> hey
[22:50] <Guest57664> hi'
[23:11] <ville_> Hi!
 I have installed amdgpu drivers, and the repo points to a local folder. Any way I can update without having to reinstall the whole thing?


[01:27] <jamesh> robert_ancell: looks like the packagekit-control interface PR (https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7054 ) is close to merging
[01:28] <robert_ancell> jamesh, nice!
[01:28] <jamesh> got signoff on the name, AppArmor rules, base declaration (require store assertion to install snaps plugging the interface)
[01:29] <jamesh> the simple spread test using a core18 snap seems to work everywhere except Ubuntu 14.04, which may just be too old
[01:29] <jamesh> and probably too old for us to care about anyway
[01:31] <robert_ancell> jamesh, it was in main but I expect no-one's going to target 14.04 in a hurry :)
[01:32] <jamesh> extended support for 14.04 doesn't extend to the desktop or snaps anyway...
[01:33] <robert_ancell> then definitely not!
[04:10] <pieq> duflu, hi! Sorry about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1822026 , I haven't got the time to check again recently and won't have time for the next 3 weeks...
[04:11] <duflu> pieq, no problem
[05:24] <didrocks> good morning
[05:37] <duflu> Morning didrocks
[05:40] <didrocks> hey duflu
[06:34] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:39] <didrocks> hey oSoMoN
[06:40] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[07:04] <ricotz> good morning everyone
[07:12] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN and ricotz
[07:16] <didrocks> hey ricotz
[07:16] <oSoMoN> good morning ricotz, duflu
[07:39] <marcustomlinson> morning all
[07:45] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson
[07:53] <oSoMoN> good morning marcustomlinson
[07:53] <willcooke> morning
[07:54] <oSoMoN> morning willcooke
[08:03] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[08:07] <duflu> Morning willcooke and marcustomlinson
[08:14] <duflu> Does anyone know how to stop Chrom(ium) from stealing focus when opening links?
[08:16] <RAOF> Implement focus stealing prevention in Mutter? 😛
[08:16] <duflu> Ha. I should have known you would answer that one first
[08:19] <duflu> I guess Mutter might be to blame. Was just thinking that a Chrome update might too
[08:21] <duflu> My concern is that it seems more like a feature than a bug. So if there's no toggle to turn it off then that's one argument with upstream I don't want to start
[08:25] <duflu> If all the user has done recently is click a link then it's reasonable to default to switching workspace to show the browser. So I think it's a sane default for new users. Just not me
[08:35] <oSoMoN> duflu, I found this, but it doesn't look like something upstream is interested in: https://gist.github.com/ajakubek/3335417
[08:37] <duflu> oSoMoN, thanks yeah as I expected. Sounds like Chrome has always done it but only mutter honours it too well, while Unity didn't
[08:41] <duflu> Actually, maybe Chris is right. You could argue that the Ctrl in Ctrl+Click should trigger prevention of focus stealing
[08:42] <marcustomlinson> I agree with this ^
[08:59] <duflu> willcooke, can you change the link to the release bugs? https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/desktop-team-update-monday-22nd-july-2019/11846
[09:02] <willcooke> duflu, what's wrong there?  I'm missing somethign
[09:03] <duflu> willcooke, wrong link, wrong week
[09:05] <duflu> The page for 22 July is linking to release bugs for 12 July.
[09:07] <willcooke> Edited.
[09:07] <willcooke> We still need to work out a better time to post the release bugs.  I should have done it on Friday
[12:52] <Laney> moin from Curitiba
[12:53] <oSoMoN> hey Laney
[12:53] <Laney> hey oSoMoN, how's it going?
[12:54] <oSoMoN> I'm good, back in Spain
[12:54] <oSoMoN> you had a good trip to Brazil?
[12:55] <Laney> as good as a 12h overnight flight can be :P
[12:55] <Laney> but made it
[12:56] <oSoMoN> good :)
[13:15] <willcooke> hey Laney
[13:26] <didrocks> hey hey Laney
[13:41] <GunnarHj> Anybody who can shed some light on how this upload happened:
[13:41] <GunnarHj> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fonts-noto-cjk/1:20190410+repack1-1
[13:41] <GunnarHj> If I understand it correctly, it was autosync'ed. But the package it replaced had "ubuntu1" appended to the version number, and I thought that should prevent the bots from doing anything. Or was there a human behind the scenes in this case after all?
[13:42] <ginggs> GunnarHj: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fonts-noto-cjk/+publishinghistory
[13:42] <ginggs> Copied from debian sid in Primary Archive for Debian GNU/Linux by Gianfranco Costamagna
[13:45] <GunnarHj> ginggs: Ah, that explains it. Thanks! (Not a problem - my plan was to do it manually, but apparently Gianfranco was faster.)
[13:46] <ginggs> sometimes he is too fast
[14:37] <Laney> hey willcooke hey didrocks
[14:37] <Laney> no idea what LocutusOfBorg is doing to notice all these uploads
[14:41] <ogra> wiretapping the buildd, what else
[16:58] <Laney> https://tracker.debian.org/news/1047045/accepted-libblockdev-220-7deb10u1-source-into-proposed-updates-stable-new-proposed-updates/
[16:59] <Laney> we should take that
[16:59] <Laney> dunno if anyone has a bit of time to prep it
[17:02] <Laney> see the linked bug; if you use gnome-disks (disco, not sure about other releases) to change luks passphrase your partition can get hosed
[17:15] <willcooke> Laney, I logged it here:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-disk-utility/+bug/1837437
[17:15] <willcooke> Hope that was the right thing to do
[17:15] <willcooke> I will raise it during the meeting tomorrow and find an owner
[17:26] <willcooke> night all
[18:39] <kenvandine> Trevinho: hey, do you have any tips on what we need to do to fix the cursor scaling issue with snaps?


[03:20] <stevendale> I want to be unbanned and I'm not giving up
[05:08] <stevendale> How do I show you my behavior has changed when I am not allowed in any off-topic Ubuntu channels?
[17:54] <Pici> bizarre
[21:27] <k1l> felishia got a long track record of messing with systems. and most times it wasnt even ubuntu but kali or backtrack
 I'm using linux mint
[21:34] <k1l> *sigh*
 does qemu allow u to run ubuntu under ubuntu?
[22:15] <Unit193> Yo dawg...
[22:15] <bazhang> @random quixote HURD
[22:15] <k1l> that is gonna be fun, on a pentium4
[22:15] <bazhang> pointless windmill tilting for $500, alex
[22:16] <Unit193> Ubuntu/unity wouldn't even be fun there.
[22:22] <bazhang> vpn inside of a vm of ubuntu running on ubuntu on a P4
[22:22] <bazhang> totes doable
[22:28] <bazhang> lotsa ruby stuff is the deal breaker
[22:29] <bazhang> seems like a case of 'linux give me new hw without buying any


[17:16] <Steve-Goodey> tgm4883: About the xmltv problem I mentioned yesterday, do you want me to raise a bug report?
[22:13] <tgm4883> Steve-Goodey, yes
[22:16] <homebrewcider> hi all, I have mythbuntu  installed, I tried to install some program or add-on , can't remember which , the problem is every time I start up, the update manager tell me about a partial upgrade, when I run that,  it says it cannot be calculated and fails every time, any ideas on the best way to get rid of it? Cheers


[22:45] <blkperl> slangasek: so the automounter seems to hanging on mount commands in Trusty
[22:45] <blkperl> which is why its so slow...
[22:45]  * blkperl tests to see if precise has the same issue
[22:45] <slangasek> blkperl: hi! how're things?
[22:46] <blkperl> pretty good
[22:46] <slangasek> blkperl: have you applied to the Debian NM queue yet?
[22:46] <slangasek> so you can fix Debian? :)
[22:46] <slangasek> anyway
[22:46] <slangasek> which automounter are we talking about?  autofs?
[22:46]  * blkperl bets its a nfsv4 issue
[22:46] <blkperl> yeah autofs
[22:46] <blkperl> I strace'd and it was just hanging on mount
[22:47] <slangasek> on a booted system?
[22:47] <blkperl> well a freshly rebooted system
[22:47] <slangasek> and is it hanging on a mount syscall or a mount command?
[22:47] <slangasek> right, my point is, you're stracing it from runlevel 2 rather than trying to strace it in the boot sequence, yah?
[22:47] <blkperl> no the system is fully up at this point, so runlevel 5
[22:48] <blkperl> with GUI and everything
[22:49] <blkperl> execve("/bin/mount", ["mount", "vault.cat.pdx.edu:/volumes/bunga"..., "/mnt"], [/* 22 vars */]) = 0
[22:49] <blkperl> is that syscall or mount command?
[22:50] <blkperl> looks like mount right?
[22:51] <blkperl> [pid  2516] mount("vault.cat.pdx.edu:/volumes/bungalow/09/blkperl/ubuntu", "/mnt", "nfs", 0, "vers=4,addr=<IP_ADDRESS>,clie"...
[22:52] <blkperl> ok so it goes into the kernel there ^ and hangs
[22:52] <slangasek> "runlevel 5"?  using Red Hat runlevel emulation, hmmm?
[22:52] <slangasek> that's the mount command
[22:52] <blkperl> ok
[22:53] <blkperl> how do i figure out whats its waiting on?
[22:53] <slangasek> which in turn calls the mount() syscall, but my question was whether it was a sycall called directly by autofs or via mount
[22:53] <slangasek> well, for starters I would suggest running strace -s256 so you can see the full command it's running
[22:53] <blkperl> I can reproduce with mount command without stracing autofs
[22:53] <slangasek> and then try to reproduce from the commandline with 'mount' instead of autofs
[22:53] <slangasek> ok
[22:54] <slangasek> are you sure you're passing all the same options autofs is?
[22:54] <slangasek> because it's entirely possible to have mount from the commandline hanging for a *different* reason
[22:54] <slangasek> (and can I see the full commandline please)
[22:54] <blkperl> haha, no im not sure but they are both using nfsv4
[22:54] <blkperl> strace -f -s256 mount vault.cat.pdx.edu:/volumes/bungalow/09/blkperl/ubuntu /mnt
[22:55] <blkperl> -s256 is awesome btw
[22:55]  * blkperl <3s new flag
[22:55] <slangasek> was looking for the strace on autofs itself though, to be sure we capture exactly which mount options it's passing
[22:55] <blkperl> will do
[22:55] <slangasek> kerberos authentication?  Solaris or Linux server?
[22:55] <blkperl> Solaris server, no kerby
[22:56] <blkperl> [pid  2598] mount("vault.cat.pdx.edu:/volumes/bungalow/09/blkperl/ubuntu", "/u/blkperl", "nfs", MS_NOSUID, "hard,intr,sloppy,vers=4,addr=<IP_ADDRESS>,clientaddr=<IP_ADDRESS>"
[22:56] <blkperl> automount is using those args
[22:58] <slangasek> ok; those are largely defaults autopopulated by mount internally, or near enough as to make no difference
[22:58] <slangasek> I guess I shouldn't expect this mount command to work for me from here? ;)
[22:58] <blkperl> nope :)
[22:59] <slangasek> so first, I'd check whether it also happens with -o nfsvers=3
[22:59] <slangasek> I think it was between precise and trusty that the default changed
[23:03] <blkperl> slangasek: yeah vers=3 is fast
[23:04] <blkperl> vers=4 hangs
[23:04] <slangasek> blkperl: ok, so
[23:04] <slangasek> tcpdump
[23:04] <slangasek> nfs4 and nfs3 use different ports, etc.; you'll want to see if it's a firewall problem
[23:08] <blkperl> hmm is there any easy way to parse this output for NFS ?
[23:16] <blkperl> slangasek: doesn't look any firewall issues
[23:21] <blkperl> hmm can't reproduce now...
[23:23] <blkperl> if you turn on RPC debugging mount works fine
[23:23] <blkperl> super helpful....
[23:36] <slangasek> blkperl: parsing which output?  tcpdump?
[23:37] <slangasek> blkperl: I actually meant 'tcpdump -s 1500 -w send-me-a.pcap', fwiw :)
[23:37] <blkperl> slangasek: im starting to get suspicous thats it an ipv6 thing
[23:37] <slangasek> that would be interesting
[23:37]  * blkperl tries to reproduce one more time
[23:38] <blkperl> its totally ipv6
[23:38] <blkperl> stupid slac addresses
[23:50] <blkperl> or maybe not I don't see any ipv6 traffic
[23:54] <slangasek> well, your strace specifically showed ipv4 addresses in use
[23:54] <slangasek> and the server has no ipv6 in public DNS
[23:54] <blkperl> thats true
[23:54] <slangasek> also
[23:54] <slangasek> HAHAHA NEXENTA
[23:55] <slangasek> I assumed you meant real Solaris, not Nexenta crazytown
[23:55] <blkperl> well its both, really, homedirs come from nexenta and pkgs come from solaris11
[23:56] <blkperl> oh thats cool... hanging on rebooting
[23:57] <slangasek> let me know if Nexenta is still violating the GPL with respect to code written for Debian
[23:57] <blkperl> oh im sure they are...
[23:57] <blkperl> how did you know it was nexenta?


[00:16] <lifeless> Andre_Gondim: hi
[00:16] <lifeless> MixedNewlineMarkersError: Original text (u'\\rPAUSE command ignored (no hw support)\\n') mixes different newline markers.
[00:16] <lifeless> arguably a faulty upstream
[00:17] <lifeless> this is something LP doesn't support
[00:17] <lifeless> Andre_Gondim: they are using the \r to rewrite the one line
[00:17] <lifeless> Andre_Gondim: that shouldn't be included in the translation string really
[00:18] <lifeless> the translation string should be 'PAUSE command ignored (no hw support)'
[00:18] <lifeless> and the app should do the \r and the \n wrapping
[00:38] <lifeless> Andre_Gondim: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/742662
[02:50] <vadi2> How can I make loggerhead give me a summary of changes from a revision to a revision? I seem to only be able to specify the ending one.
[03:16] <benji> vadi2: you visit a revision, click "compare with another revision" then click "Changes" again to list the revisions, click on one, and then click "compare with revision XXX"
[03:16] <benji> what always trips me up is that if you click the back button you loose the first revision you selected, so you have to limit yourself to clicking on links to navigate to the second revision
[03:22] <vadi2> mm
[03:23] <vadi2> I was hoping for a list of all changes inbetween
[04:41] <psusi> so when I look at bugs I am subscribed to, I see a number of bugs that are duplicated or listed when I otherwise don't give a hoot since they are not open in Ubuntu, but still are in other distros.  Even the advanced search does not seem to have a field to filter on only bugs related to Ubuntu.  How can I ignore bugs that don't have valid tasks in Ubuntu?
[04:41] <wgrant> psusi: An advanced search on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?advanced=1 should do it.
[04:42] <wgrant> You can search by subscriber there.
[04:43] <psusi> should I file an lp bug about this?  I have found it quite annoying for some time that looking up bugs I am subscribed to lists the same bug multiple times if it has multiple tasks
[04:43] <wgrant> There's a very old bug about that.
[04:43] <psusi> ahh
[04:43] <wgrant> It's not clear what the solution is.
[04:43] <psusi> got to love very old bugs ;)
[04:43] <wgrant> Which status/importance should be shown, if there are multiple?
[04:44] <psusi> I have two thoughts on the subject: 1) if you do show them all, at least group them together, and 2) allow the user to define a default project they are interested in, and only show those tasks
[04:45] <wgrant> You should search in the project context if you just want a single project.
[04:45] <psusi> if there are 3 tasks and they are all grouped so they are shown one after the other, then it is easy to ignore and I could easily live iwth that.. it gets annoying when you start seeing the same bug show up on each page 20 bugs later
[04:46] <psusi> I want bugs that I already have some interest in.. i.e. what is in my queue?
[04:46] <wgrant> You can do an advanced search in the project for bugs you're subscribed to.
[04:47] <psusi> yep, I see that now... should be able to do that from your personal page too though..
[04:47] <wgrant> Indeed.
[04:47] <psusi> preferably via a default settig ;)
[04:47] <psusi> since I really only give a crap about Ubuntu, so when I look for bugs I'm subscribed to, that's all I care to see ;)
[04:58] <psusi> hrm... same thing applies though even if all the tasks are on different packages in Ubuntu.. don't need to see the same bug 3 times just because it affects 3 packages
[18:03] <DnaX> any admin can reset the max recipe builds for a day?
[18:07] <maxb> I'm not sure they have an inerface for that, any even if they did, they're pretty much never around at weekends
[18:07] <maxb> s/any/and/
[18:08] <DnaX> maxb: ok, thanks... I'll wait tomorrow!