[18:53] <luh> product and vendor though are both just RaLink
[18:53] <fuhreal> anyone know how i can figure out why knetworkmanager doesn't seem to be working?
[18:54] <intelikey> fuhreal sorry i never use it.
[18:55] <fuhreal> intelikey: kool.. hopefully i'll find someone
[18:56] <intelikey> yeah just didn't want you to think you were invisable
[18:56] <rysiek|pl> fuhreal: what do you mean by 'doesn't seem to be working'
[18:56] <luh> can i switch to verbose mode whilst booting?
[18:57] <rysiek|pl> luh: Alt+F1 or Alt+F8 AFAIR
[18:57] <smurfslover> luh: Alt + F1
[18:57] <luh> thanks
[18:57] <marco__> c5a6
[18:57] <marco__> ciao
[18:57] <rysiek|pl> !it | marco
[18:57] <ubotwo> marco: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[18:57] <marco__> ops, sorry  :-)
[18:58] <rysiek|pl> no prob
[18:58] <rysiek|pl> ciao is perfectly fine, just wanted you to know that there are Italian channels too ;)
[18:58] <luh> damnit - wlassistant tells me it couldn't find any wireless devices
[18:58] <fuhreal> intelikey: hehe ty :)
[18:59] <luh> ra0 is gone
[19:05] <luh> there should be some log when wlassistant fails to connect right?
[19:05] <luh> /var/log/messages says a little, but i don't understand it
[19:05] <luh> is that where wlassistant logs to?
[19:06] <Arwen> yay, amarok successfully compiled
[19:07] <intelikey> Arwen if you build it so that it doesn't eat resources, it will no longer be amarok     ?
[19:07] <Arwen> wait, what?
[19:08]  * Arwen is confused
[19:08]  * intelikey hides....
[19:09] <Arwen> scary, AAC can produce recognizable audio at 24kbps
[19:09]  * Arwen goes to convert his music collection
[19:10] <rysiek|pl> I always thought listening to music is about enjoying the quality and the clear sound, among others
[19:10] <rysiek|pl> not about merely recognizing what one is listening to
[19:10] <rysiek|pl> but maybe it's just me ;)
[19:10] <rysiek|pl> FLAC/OGG ftw
[19:11] <Arwen> OGG sucks, but yeah, I have everything I can control in FLAC.
[19:12] <luh> rt_ioctl_giwscan. 1(1) BSS returned, data->length = 86 - anyone with an idea what this means?
[19:12] <derdui_> i have restartet, but, cups works but i cant add a printer, problems with localhost:631
[19:14] <emilsedgh> Arwen: why ogg sucks?
[19:14] <emilsedgh> (just asking, want to know)
[19:15] <Arwen> it's got to the most convoluted and generally incompatible container I've ever seen
[19:15] <intelikey> ogg as audio = good    ogg as vidio = ummm  well....
[19:15] <moope1> I cant write to my samba share :( anyone know why? the permissions on the folder are drwxr-xr-x
[19:16] <moope1> Its set up to share user home directories
[19:16] <intelikey> moope1 cause smb doesn't own it ?
[19:17] <intelikey> i don't think you really want to share the user's home  maybe a subdir of their home.
[19:17] <intelikey> $HOME/shared    or something.
[19:17] <moope1> intelikey, sure I want to share user home, its on my laptop
[19:17] <fuhreal> how do you add java support to konqueror
[19:17] <fuhreal> ?
[19:17] <moope1> Its password protected
[19:18] <intelikey> moope1 but to allow write access you'll have to break security on several thing.
[19:18] <moope1> intelikey, It has worked before.....
[19:18] <intelikey> moope1 sorry.   i'm ignorant. so ignore me.
[19:19] <unix_infidel> seriously, bad times when your hosts site is down.
[19:19] <intelikey> !java | fuhreal
[19:19] <moope1> intelikey: No, that wasnt what I meant :)
[19:19] <ubotwo> fuhreal: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[19:20] <moope1> Its a standard feature for smb I think
[19:21] <nuxil> how do you configure smb?
[19:21] <fuhreal> intelikey: yah i found the section in konqueror already thanks.... but for some reason i can't get jscreenfix java applet to run
[19:22] <moope1> nuxil: /etc/smb/samba.conf
[19:23] <nuxil> you do it manualy?
[19:23] <moope1> I mean /etc/samba/smb.conf
[19:23] <moope1> nuxil, sure, usually What do you want to do
[19:23] <moope1> I dont think there are any configscripts
[19:23] <nuxil> no but you can use webmin.
[19:24] <moope1> nuxil: webmin breaks things
[19:24] <moope1> Its like a child with adht
[19:24] <nuxil> nah
[19:24] <intelikey> adht?
[19:25] <moope1> intelikey: adhd
[19:25] <oOoOoOoO_> Can I have kubuntu on an sony ericsons k600i?
[19:25] <moope1> Attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder
[19:25] <nuxil> moope1, lol
[19:25] <intelikey> oh spoiled roten
[19:25] <intelikey> rotten
[19:25] <moope1> intelikey: :)
[19:26] <ubuntu_> Flosoft: dread knight here
[19:26] <Flosoft> ubuntu_: hey
[19:26] <ubuntu_> Flosoft: it ain't booting for me, i'm on liveCD reinstalling xD
[19:26] <intelikey> we don't dope kids for having substandard parrents.
[19:26] <sourcemaker> is there a release date for kde 4.1?
[19:26] <Flosoft> ubuntu_: heh :)
[19:26] <intelikey> sorry i'll hush now.
[19:26] <intelikey> !ot > intelikey
[19:26] <ubuntu_> sourcemaker: it's estimated for july or something like that
[19:27] <sourcemaker> ubuntu_: ok... thanks
[19:27] <moope1> intelikey: We have asbos
[19:27] <intelikey> i C
[19:27] <moope1> Anti Social Behaviour Orders
[19:27] <intelikey> i C++
[19:27] <intelikey> no i don't C nor C++   sorry.
[19:28] <intelikey> i don't even C--
[19:29] <oOoOoOoO_> intelikey: I like C#
[19:29] <sourcemaker> how can I find the reason for a kernel panic? When I play the game enemy territory.... the pc often hangs with a kernel panic
[19:29] <intelikey> if you are binary, you don't exist...
[19:29] <intelikey> all 0's
[19:30] <intelikey> sourcemaker the "kernel panic" should display the reason
[19:30] <sourcemaker> intelikey: no...  it doesn't... the screen freezes
[19:30] <sourcemaker> intelikey: there is no message
[19:31] <intelikey> sourcemaker then you have to "eliminate" all the preceding events    "process of" kind of thing...
[19:32] <intelikey> i.e. there can not be any log of a kernel panic because of it's very nature.
[19:32] <sourcemaker> intelikey: how can I do that... I am playing the game.. and "boom"... the pc freezes
[19:32] <sourcemaker> and I can't reproduce that....
[19:33] <sourcemaker> sometimes... I am playing 2 hours without any problem or the pc crashs after 5 minutes
[19:33] <intelikey> sourcemaker you could setup a trace that will log the output and see what it's doing just before it panics  but it won't be very acurate unless you mount your fs that the log will be on as "sync"
[19:34] <sourcemaker> intelikey: ok
[19:34] <intelikey> and 2 hours of even strace will be huge.  not to even consider ltrace
[19:35] <sourcemaker> intelikey: need I recompile the kernel for debug ?
[19:35] <intelikey> not sure that will even help.    but it might.
[19:35] <intelikey> sourcemaker ask in #kernel   or ##linux
[19:35] <sourcemaker> intelikey:  ok
[19:35] <intelikey> or both
[19:36] <nuxil> moope1, got it working ?
[19:38] <KriZe> any Firefox 3 users?
[19:38] <KriZe> <-- HH/A6
[19:39] <stdin> for hardy support go to #ubuntu+1 not here
[19:40] <sigma_1234> whats so good about adobe air?
[19:41] <intelikey> stdin you busy ?
[19:41] <nuxil> did anyone say it was anygood ?
[19:41] <stdin> intelikey: not at the moment
[19:41] <intelikey> stdin can you run down the files in ~/.ssh for me ?
[19:41] <intelikey> as to what each actually does
[19:42] <intelikey> known_hosts is self explainatory  but the others are a little vague to me
[19:42] <moope1> nuxil: nope
[19:42] <moope1> sigma_1234: pretty
[19:43]  * intelikey knows stdin is good with ssh stuff
[19:43] <nuxil> moope1, take a look at this one http://pastebin.ca/935601.. at the bottom
[19:43] <stdin> intelikey: authorized_keys: list of public keys that can be used with the account,  id_dsa: private DSA key,  id_dsa.pub: public part of the DSA key. (there van be RSA equivalents of the DSA pair)
[19:43] <nuxil> intelikey, its all in man ssh
[19:44] <intelikey> stdin so the id_dsa is the only one that you don't want the world reading ???
[19:45] <stdin> intelikey: yeah, but the ~/.ssh should be 700 anyway
[19:45] <stdin> I think ssh may even error out if it's not 700 (not sure)
[19:46] <intelikey> cause default perms are http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d1acbafed   which i just noticed.
[19:46] <saxofoner> I just installed kde on top of my ubuntu install, and now when I run compiz, I lose window decorations
[19:46] <saxofoner> they work in gnome
[19:46] <stdin> !compis | saxofoner
[19:46] <ubotwo> How should I know?
[19:46] <stdin> !compiz | saxofoner
[19:46] <ubotwo> saxofoner: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[19:46] <stdin> if I can spell today...
[19:46] <intelikey> t o d a y
[19:46] <intelikey> :)
[19:46] <saxofoner> thank you very much, I knew there was some stuff
[19:47] <saxofoner> i want my cube with different backgrounds..... ;)
[19:48] <stdin> intelikey: mine are the same except with my user and group, and not root
[19:48] <draik> Hello all
[19:48] <nuxil> hi
[19:49] <draik> Hello nuxil
[19:50] <stdin> intelikey: if you're using key-pairs for auth on ssh, you can use the ssh-add tool to properly add the key to the right places
[19:50] <nuxil> i got a serious hangover today :(
[19:50] <intelikey> stdin yeah,  i'm building a master keyring on usb stick.
[19:50] <draik> I've got a few questions. Sorry if it seems like I'm flooding.
[19:51] <nuxil> ask
[19:51] <draik> Where can I get the sound files from Knoppix?
[19:51] <nuxil> what sound files ?
[19:51] <stdin> knoppix?? in what what is that Kubuntu related?
[19:51] <stdin> s/what what/what way/
[19:51] <draik> There was a folder I was trying to delete from my external HDD. I wasn't able to because of a "file". I went into my Win partition and I was able to remove the folder. What was I doing wrong?
[19:52] <stdin> stupid fingers
[19:52] <draik> The startup/shutdown audio files.
[19:52] <secleinteer> does the time not automatically change for dst?
[19:52] <nuxil> draik, wrong premissions most likely
[19:52] <intelikey> stdin kindof an admins key for all boxes, type thing.    wish me luck,  i may need it.
[19:52] <draik> stdin: In a sense that I wonder if maybe there is something similar within Kubuntu. Actual voices rather than the chime-sounding themes.
[19:52] <stdin> intelikey: good luck :)
[19:53] <intelikey> :)     ty
[19:53] <stdin> draik: you'd have to ask the people that make knoppix where they store the sounds
[19:53] <sourcemaker> what does this firewall message mean: block SPT=80 DPT=2782?
[19:53] <draik> Thanks nuxil. I will look into that next time. But the interesting thing is that there weren't any files. They were just empty folders.
[19:53] <secleinteer> nvm
[19:53] <stdin> draik: XDG directory is /usr/share/sounds for system sounds though
[19:53] <draik> Is there anything similar within Kubuntu?
[19:54] <intelikey> draik you could use festival and write talking messages for everything...  or record them your self
[19:54] <nuxil> draik, it doesnt matter if they are empty or not. you must have right premissions to delete a dir
[19:54] <draik> Incoming call... UGH. DSL will soon disconnect
[19:54] <nuxil> draik, was it wave files ?
[19:54] <nuxil> cd sudo find -name '*.wav'
[19:55] <nuxil> cd / and search
[19:55] <stdin> slocate/locate would be easier
[19:55] <nuxil> yea
[19:55] <intelikey> nuxil nope.   you need to try that before you sujest it.   find will error out
[19:55] <nuxil> intelikey, oh ?
[19:55] <intelikey> nuxil find / -iname '*.wav'
[19:56] <intelikey> nuxil find must have path first.
[19:56] <stdin> find needs a path, even if it's just '.'
[19:56] <nuxil> intelikey it doesnt error on me
[19:56] <stdin> ohh, someone patched find apparently
[19:57] <intelikey> well i don't have the patched version
[19:57] <nuxil> if no path spesifyed it uses the one your in
[19:57]  * valeriyk waves
[19:57] <derdui_> has anybody an idea, why cups doesnt work? i did restart the system and reinstalled ist....
[19:57] <slougi> hi all. how do i disable kdm from starting on startup? (I want to start X with startx only)
[19:57] <intelikey> nuxil find: paths must precede expression
[19:57] <intelikey> Usage: find [-H] [-L] [-P] [path...] [expression]
[19:58] <nuxil> chmod -x /etc/init.d/kdm
[19:58] <intelikey> errors for me
[19:58] <nuxil> intelikey, what version?
[19:58] <intelikey> GNU find version 4.2.27
[19:58] <slougi> nuxil: that's not a really clean solution though is it? or is that the official way to disable init scripts.
[19:58] <intelikey> from the LTS
[19:59] <nuxil> GNU find version 4.2.31
[19:59] <valeriyk> slougi sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[19:59] <valeriyk> does that work?
[19:59] <intelikey> slougi the official way is   man update-rc.d
[19:59] <slougi> intelikey: thank you
[19:59] <slougi> valeriyk: that's one-time-only
[20:01] <intelikey> nuxil either way,   it's simply better form to supply the base path to find than to cd to the base path and call find there.    simply better form
[20:01] <stdin> less typing too
[20:01] <nuxil> intelikey, yea i agree
[20:02] <nuxil> slougi, official way? you do it the way that works best for you,
[20:02] <intelikey> yes and i would not sujest /  but /usr so that you don't search /dev/ and /proc/  for instance.
[20:02] <nuxil> slougi, if you need kdm again you can run command with +x instead
[20:02] <draik_> Sorry about that. DSL kicks me off when a call enters.
[20:02] <draik_> intelikey: Something about festival. Is that like espeak?
[20:02] <slougi> nuxil: yeah or just tell rc-update.d to reinstall the symlinks in the rc.d dirs
[20:03] <valeriyk> does anyone know how I can make my USB microphone(logtech webcam) be mixed through my actual sound card's capture input?
[20:03] <intelikey> draik it's a text to speach application    i think   ksayit uses it.
[20:03] <valeriyk> does that make sense?
[20:04] <intelikey> echo "anything you want here" | festival --tts
[20:04] <draik> intelikey: Ok
[20:04] <sourcemaker> I have the following entries in my firewall log... what does this mean? "proxyscan.freenode.net" ?
[20:04] <draik> espeak "anything you want here"
[20:04] <draik> Then it's spoken aloud.
[20:04] <intelikey> draik i also mentioned that you might want to record the standard messages yourself.
[20:05] <nuxil> intelikey, other way to run it is : echo "(SayText \"boo\")" | festival
[20:06] <intelikey> nuxil or have it read a file.   or convert speach to text...
[20:06] <valeriyk> how do I combine both my mixers into one?
[20:06] <nuxil> yep.
[20:06] <nuxil> james bond on tv
[20:06] <valeriyk> TBS?
[20:06]  * intelikey listens to festival reading many books.
[20:07] <nuxil> lol
[20:07] <rysiek|pl> gtg, cu all
[20:07] <valeriyk> how do I join two servers with bitchx?
[20:07] <valeriyk> ./server -m irc?
[20:07] <intelikey> nuxil but the default voice does leave some to be desired.
[20:11] <draik> Did anyone see me leave? Or was this just a hiccup on my end?
[20:11] <Regital> draik: yeah... you left
[20:11] <intelikey> -:- SignOff draik: #kubuntu (Nick collision from services.)
[20:12] <draik> Thanks. This DSL is really getting on my nerves
[20:12] <intelikey> ^ that means you "ghosted" your self
[20:12] <slougi> all right, thanks for the help guys!
[20:12] <draik> How so?
[20:12] <intelikey> draik that's what the message is saying.   -:- SignOff draik: #kubuntu (Nick collision from services.)
[20:13] <intelikey> says you told nickserv to kill your nickname so you could use it again.
[20:13] <draik> intelikey: How would I do that?
[20:13] <draik> Right. That I did, but I mean prior to that
[20:13] <intelikey> draik there is no prior to that.
[20:13] <draik> Then I guess it was a hiccup on my end
[20:14] <draik> Everything went blank
[20:14] <intelikey> if you had to "ghost" your nick then you didn't sign off
[20:14] <lascar> Afternoon, everyone.  How do I mount images?
[20:14] <intelikey> i.e. connection dropped on your end without a quit/exit sig.
[20:14] <draik> lascar: CD or DVD?
[20:14] <lascar> draik: dvd
[20:14] <lascar> draik: (does it matter?)
[20:14] <intelikey> !loop
[20:14] <ubotwo> How should I know?
[20:15] <stdin> !iso
[20:15] <ubotwo> To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[20:15] <draik> lascar: sudo mount -o loop -t udf /path/to/ISO /path/to/mount/ISO
[20:15] <lascar> awesome; thanx
[20:15] <intelikey> we have a bot's bot today
[20:15] <stdin> the regular bot isn't feeling well today
[20:15] <draik> !botsnack
[20:16] <ubotwo> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[20:16] <intelikey> the stand in   isn't either.   imo
[20:16] <draik> Good backup!
[20:16] <stdin> intelikey: it's running an old db
[20:16] <intelikey> oh.
[20:16] <intelikey> then some of the "forgoten" infonodes should work again.
[20:21] <mluser-home> ellen: Hello ellen
[20:21] <ellen> hi there :)
[20:22] <mluser-home> ellen: how are you doing?
[20:22] <ellen> doing well thanks and how are you?
[20:24] <mluser-home> ellen: :0
[20:24] <draik> When I lock my laptop (ctrl+alt+L), it will display the screensaver. That's good because that's what I want. But when I return (login to my acct) I get a blank screen after ~5 min. It's not locked, just pitch black. Power Saver is off, BTW.
[20:24] <cameron> Hey, how do I end the packaging process manuelly?, (I can't install applications with adept, because it's being used, yet I don't see anything using it)
[20:25] <ellen> mluser-home: :) sorry folks...just learning Konversation and a new Linux user :)
[20:25] <stdin> !aptfix
[20:25] <stdin> well...
[20:25] <mluser-home> cameron: did you start apt-get or aptitude from a terminal?
[20:25] <cameron> nope
[20:25] <stdin> cameron: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[20:26] <mluser-home> cameron: open your terminal and type 'ps aux' and check to see if any of those processes are running, if so kill -9 them
[20:26]  * intelikey notices that stdin is his own bot now    Ha Ha Ha !
[20:27] <intelikey> sorry. couldn't help it.
[20:27] <stdin> I still have a local copy of the ubotu db, so I can grab the factoids if I need to
[20:28] <cameron> I just installed Kubuntu, attempted to update, when the packages were downloaded, it stated that there was a problem with the packages, and ever since, even when I restart, I can't access the package manager
[20:28] <stdin> cameron: did you try what I said?
[20:29] <cameron> doingso
[20:29] <cameron> well, I just opened Adept installer, and no messages poped up, so apperently, it worked!, thatnks
[20:30] <cameron> thanks*
[20:30] <stdin> :)
[20:30] <cameron> *creating a cheet sheet with command in it*
[20:30] <cameron> something I should have started long ago with ubuntu..
[20:33] <jawee> cameron: I know this isn't what you are talking about, but I have made a Kubuntu cheatsheet if you're interested: http://blogs.howtogeek.com/jatecblog/posts/kubuntu-and-kde-cheatsheet
[20:34] <jawee> oh, he left. no wonder his name wouldn't tab complete....
[20:34] <intelikey> ok if this thing works like i want it to,  it will allow a user that has the usb stick pluged in, to gain root access on the box he is sitting at as well as any other box on the lan, via ssh.   and hopefully without compromising security.
[20:38] <intelikey> jawee yah that's a first clue in most cases.
[20:38] <intelikey> i have noticed the same many times.
[20:41] <holx> hi
[20:41] <intelikey> holx
[20:42] <holx> it seems my boss f*cked up graphics drivers on one of his towers, any way to revert without harming the drivers
[20:42] <holx> oh hi
[20:42] <holx> without harming the stuff on the HD*
[20:43] <intelikey> holx yes xorg is often fixed from the command line  "console"   shouldn't be any challange to an old linux hand
[20:43] <holx> he said he was changing resolution and then it would'nt start again
[20:43] <intelikey> !nv | holx see if any of this helps
[20:43] <ubotwo> holx see if any of this helps: For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[20:43] <holx> it hangs after the startup loading bar
[20:44] <intelikey> so start in single user mode.
[20:44] <Regital> hmm
[20:44] <intelikey> or boot with "nosplash vga=normal"
[20:44] <Regital> is it illegal to use lets say your neighbours wlan if its unprotected?
[20:45] <intelikey> Regital only with permission.
[20:45] <Regital> ok
[20:45] <holx> depends on country, in my country IIRC, you can use any open network
[20:45] <holo> the kernel 2.4 images were suposed to be in universe right?
[20:45] <Regital> i live in the usa right now
[20:45] <intelikey> Regital from the legal owner.  not just anyone that will say "you have permission
[20:46] <intelikey> holo should be in main i though
[20:47] <holo> intelikey: i don't find any image here
[20:47] <holx> how do I change boot settings?
[20:47] <holo> holx: what do you mean by boot?
[20:47] <holo> kernel parameters?
[20:47] <intelikey> holo you are looking for "kernel-*" aren't you?
[20:47] <holo> holx: services that start on boot?
[20:48] <holo> intelikey: linux-image
[20:48] <holx> quote:"
 or boot with "nosplash vga=normal""
 the kernel 2.4 images were suposed to be in universe right?  <<< <intelikey> holo should be in main i though <<< <holo> intelikey: i don't find any image here <<< <intelikey> holo you are looking for "kernel-*" aren't you?    <<<<<< did i get off track ?
[20:49] <holo> holx: vim /boot/grup/menu.lst
[20:49] <holo> *grub
[20:49] <holo> intelikey: i answered kernel-image was what i searched for
[20:50] <intelikey> holx edit the kernel option at boot time.
[20:50] <holx> will try'
[20:50] <holo> intelikey: sorry, linux-image
[20:50] <intelikey> holo no.  2.6 is linux-  2.4 is kernel-
[20:50] <holo> holx: to configure at boot time, you just have to press "e" under the kernel entry to edit
[20:51] <holo> intelikey: now that's non-intuitive.. i should be pissed off :)
[20:51] <holo> intelikey: thanks
[20:51] <holx> ah ok
[20:51] <intelikey> holo  yeah   i don't know why they changed the name   but they did.
[20:52] <holo> intelikey: O.o I still don't find
[20:53] <holx> so the nosplash vga=normal is a boot argument?
[20:53] <holo> holx: notice that changes in kernel parameters at boot time don't get saved to the next boot
[20:53] <holo> holx: yes, something you put in the load kernel line
[20:53] <intelikey> holx yes.
[20:54] <intelikey> !find kernel-image-2.4.27
[20:54] <holx> so kernel blablablabla nosplash vga=normal?
[20:54] <ubotwo> File kernel-image-2.4.27 found in sh:, apt-file:, command, not, found
[20:54] <sourcemaker> my kernel panics are not logged to the system log... what's wrong?
[20:54] <intelikey> holx yes but be sure to change the "splash"   to "nosplash"  not just add the new one.
[20:54] <holo> intelikey: ok, I don't have it. entering panic mode
[20:55] <intelikey> sourcemaker they can't be.
[20:55] <sourcemaker> intelikey: so.. how can I find the reason?
[20:55] <intelikey> sourcemaker i told you that already.   you can't go writing things from a paniced kernel.
[20:55] <intelikey> it's not safe.
[20:55] <holo> intelikey: can you confirm the repo it comes from? for example with apt-cache show
[20:56] <holo> sourcemaker: install sysvconfig and enable that
[20:56] <intelikey> sourcemaker so there is no way to save data after the instance of panic     period
[20:56] <holx> yep, booting now
[20:56] <holo> sourcemaker: it could also be that it is disabled in the kernel, so a new kernel would be the solution
[20:57] <holx> Sorry, if I annoy you with regular stupid questions like this, I am still fairly new to linux
[20:57] <holo> holx: no worries, at least with me
[20:57] <holo> intelikey: are you using gutsy?
[20:58] <holx> don't remember, which version is on this one
[20:58] <holx> one of hte older ones had 6.06
[20:58] <sourcemaker> intelikey: why isn't there a bluescreen like windows 95 :-) So that I can read the crash dump
[20:58] <derdui_> how do i finde out which usb-ports are used, and whats the user is?
[20:58] <intelikey> holo ok you are correct  it's universe.   http://us.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Packages
[20:59] <holo> sourcemaker: there are screens, but they are black
[20:59] <intelikey> that was   apt-cache policy for  kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386
[20:59] <holo> intelikey: oh I see, not only it is universe which i have enabled but is also not available in gutsy
[20:59] <holo> but it is in dapper
[20:59] <intelikey> derdui_ lsusb
[20:59] <holo> intelikey: ok, thanks.. i will put dapper repo here, at least temporarily
[21:00] <derdui_> thanks intelikey
[21:00] <intelikey> holo i was trying to get the bot to confirm or disprove that.
[21:00] <intelikey> !find kernel-image-2.4
[21:00] <ubotwo> File kernel-image-2.4 found in sh:, apt-file:, command, not, found
[21:00] <intelikey> but the bot seems to be flakey atm
[21:00] <holo> :) no worries
[21:01] <valeriyk> How would I make my USB microphone(logitech quickcam) mixer be on the other audio mixer?
[21:02] <holx> also, anyone know any good software to capture video with webcam and mic?
[21:02] <hellhound> what version and installation type of kubuntu should i choose for a home file server with the following specs: Xeon 32 bit 2Ghz processor with 512KB cache; 1x011.30 MB memory, and three partitions (509.8MB swap, 2.0GB /, 593.7GB /home)
[21:02] <valeriyk> camarano
[21:02] <valeriyk> camorama
[21:02] <valeriyk> rather
[21:03] <holx> I only got good drivers for my webcam, but no software to record
[21:03] <valeriyk> camorama
[21:03] <valeriyk> worked nicely for me
[21:03] <holx> ah ok
[21:04] <valeriyk> Im trying to get my webcam mixer into my audio mixer
[21:04] <valeriyk> anyone know how?
[21:04] <holx> didn't know what were you referring to
[21:04] <valeriyk> haha, yeah :)
[21:04] <Regital> what was the big background picture called in compiz fusion
[21:04] <Regital> when you zoom out on the cube
[21:05] <stdin> skydome i think
[21:05] <Regital> thanks stdin
[21:05] <stdin> #compiz-fusion will know
[21:12] <scofmb> Hi.. my kubuntu start at console mode... and i can't change the default desktop from kde3 to kde4.. how can i do it without having kdm or gdm?
[21:15] <stdin> scofmb: "sudo update-alternatives --config x-session-manager" and choose "/usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde"
[21:15] <hellhound> does anyone know of a way to safely resize a partition from the live cd without reformatting?  in other words grab another gig from the /home partition without losing the existing data from the /home partition (i know that I have several GB of free space on that partition)
[21:16] <scofmb> stdin: thxs... :)
[21:38] <anom01y> which release of kubuntu has kde 4 ?
[21:38] <LjL> anom01y: none at the moment. but ask in #kubuntu-kde4
[21:40] <anom01y> well, I am trying to set up a friends laptop, and he wants to experiment Linux for the first time
[21:40] <Dr_Willis> KDE4 is still rough in places
[21:40] <anom01y> is Kubuntu 7.10 a good starter version of Linux ?
[21:40] <Dr_Willis> if wantign to test it out - i suggest a live cd.
[21:40] <Dr_Willis> Kubuntu works vbery well on my laptops. :)
[21:40] <anom01y> yeah I downloaded the 7.10 Gusty Gibbon version
[21:40] <Dr_Willis> New release of Kubuntu/Ubuntu due out in a month also.
[21:41] <anom01y> yeah theres always a new version though
[21:41] <anom01y> I kinda need something today thats going to work good with lots of support
[21:42] <anom01y> for many years
[21:43] <draik> How do I get screenshots when I press PrtScr?
[21:43] <draik> Nothing happens
[21:43] <cube_> hi
[21:44] <cube_> muss ich bevor ich das verschl[sseln howto aus dem ubuntuusers wiki nutzen kann erstmal kubuntu installieren oder kann ich auch erst verschluesseln und dann installen nach dem schema dort?
[21:44] <Dr_Willis> Hmm that should run some program.. you could run gimp and get screen shots with it also.
[21:46] <LjL> !de | cube_
[21:46] <ubotwo> cube_: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[21:49] <catap> hi
[21:49] <Dr_Willis> Hmmm.
[21:49] <catap> alt+tab and alt+f2 stopped working, how can I restart it without logging out?
[21:50] <PhilRod> catap: are kdesktop and kwin still running?
[21:51] <catap> PhilRod: according to ps aux | grep yes
[21:52] <PhilRod> you could try restarting them with dcop
[21:53] <catap> PhilRod: I tried kwin --replace but it didn't fix it, how do I restart kdesktop with dcop?
[21:54] <PhilRod> ah, maybe you can't. You could just kill it and run a new one from a konsole
[21:56] <anom01y> hmm I have kubuntu running on live-cd on a sony laptop
[21:56] <anom01y> and it has a external hd plugged in via usb
[21:57] <anom01y> the computer has windows installed on the hd, and the xtrnl hd is ntfs as well
[21:57] <catap> PhilRod: I killed and restart it but it didn't help :/
[22:00] <PhilRod> catap: seems like something is eating your keystrokes then. I don't really have any idea what it could ebe though
[22:00] <PhilRod> s/ebe/be/
[22:02] <anom01y> I tried the command "sudo ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /media/sda1", and I get "Failed to mount
[22:02] <anom01y> '/dev/sda1' operation not supported
[22:04] <PhilRod> anom01y: maybe "mount -v" will give you some more debug output?
[22:12] <sebws> hi lost my passwd from my system , how to reset my pass
[22:12] <Dr_Willis> boot live cd, chroot to mounted system, use passwd command. is one way
[22:13] <sebws> what's chroot to mounted sys
[22:13] <Dr_Willis> you mount the system, you chroot over to it.  getting a shell on the installed system.
[22:14] <Dr_Willis> mount /dev/whatever /media/system
[22:14] <Dr_Willis> chroot /media/system
[22:15] <sebws> ok thx wills i'll try it one
[22:16] <jirik-kde4> Hi, i have Kubuntu KDE4 Alpha 6 installed and I have problem with Flash player - i can not run sudo ./flashplayer-installer - i am following the official manual. Does anybody the same problem or solution?
[22:16] <Dr_Willis> #ubuntu+1 may have some info/links for the  beta release problems.
[22:18] <Bizarrus> hi
[22:18] <Dr_Willis> Hmmm...
[22:18] <Bizarrus> where are speak german ... have a problem ...?!?!
[22:18] <Dr_Willis> !de
[22:18] <ubotwo> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[22:18] <Bizarrus> THX
[22:25] <draik> How do I get ksnapshot to respond when I press PrtScr?
[22:34] <Regital> hey... anyone have compiz fusion/
[22:34] <Regital> ?
[22:35] <tekteen> what is your question?
[22:36] <tekteen> I use compiz
[22:36] <oloughlin75> !ask | Regital
[22:36] <ubotwo> Regital: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[22:36] <oloughlin75> New ubot?!
[22:36] <tekteen> ubotu must be broken
[22:36] <tekteen> it happens
[22:36] <oloughlin75> lol
[22:36] <tekteen> !test
[22:36] <ubotwo> Fbiled.
[22:37] <tekteen> uh... ubotwo has a bug. Isn't it supposed to say failed?
[22:38] <LjL> no
[22:38] <tekteen> ok
[22:38] <simula> i just installed, i removed my wireless card, and set up a wired network so i can connect to the internet now, but add/remove (adept installer) doesn't seem to pull from the internet no matter what i change my "edit software sources" to :(
[22:38] <simula> does anyone have any insight?
[22:38] <tekteen> simula: have you tried to use the internet
[22:38] <tekteen> ?
[22:39] <simula> konquerer and irc are working fine... i'm writing from the new kubuntu box
[22:39] <tekteen> can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:39] <simula> one sec
[22:39] <Regital> ubotwo: sorry... i got carried away, and i already solved the problem i had
[22:40] <tekteen> ubotwo is a bot
[22:40] <Regital> yeah i just realized that lol
[22:40] <tekteen> :-)
[22:40] <Regital> but yeah... i already solved the problem i had
[22:41] <Regital> thanks anyway
[22:41] <tekteen> come back if you have a question :-)
[22:41] <tekteen> bye
[22:42] <simula> tekteen... here are the lines that aren't commented:
[22:42] <simula> deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu gutsy partnerdeb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu gutsy partner
[22:42] <simula> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main universedeb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-security main universedeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates main universe
[22:44] <simula> thanks for the help tekteen :)
[22:44] <tekteen> !pastebin > simula
[22:44] <axel> Hello! How to extract an ISO-File?
[22:44] <simula> ok, thanks for the pastebin link... i'll post the whole file contents there
[22:45] <tekteen> can you pastebin the output of when you try the command sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get install <some program you have not downloaded>
[22:46] <simula> ok tekteen... here is the pastebin link http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59075/
[22:47] <tekteen> simula: comment out the first line
[22:47] <anom01y> why cant I format a external hd with qtparted ???
[22:47] <tekteen> you installed without internet
[22:47] <anom01y> I hit commit, and it says it worked
[22:48] <anom01y> but then I check it it is still "unknown"
[22:48] <tekteen> simula: uncomment everything after one of these lines: # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
[22:48] <tekteen> then you can get programs from the internet
[22:49] <anom01y> nm, I just realized it will only work on ext2
[22:49] <simula> ok tekteen... working on it
[22:49] <tekteen> simula: I need to go. do not forget to run the command sudo apt-get update after you have uncommented the repos
[22:50] <tekteen> bye
[22:50] <simula> thanks for the help tekteen
[22:52] <Regital> hey... what was the command where i can see all the pci cards?
[22:53] <oloughlin75> lspci
[22:53] <Regital> ok thanks
[22:54] <simula> tekteen... thank you so much, it worked :)  you are awesome!
[23:00] <jbovalley_> hello all
[23:01] <jbovalley_> can anyone help with a mce install ?
[23:01] <anom01y> is it ok to create a partition as a ext3, and then format as a ext2 ?
[23:01] <anom01y> because qtparted allows you to do this
[23:02] <jbovalley_> i have been following the instructions on how to using kubuntu but i got stuck
[23:02] <jbovalley_> i installed Kubuntu , which works great but now i can't get the MCE installed
[23:02] <Arwen> argh, why is there no ext2 defragmenter?
[23:02] <Arwen> this is getting f***ing ridiculous... 50% fragmented
[23:02] <oloughlin75> jbovalley_: MCE as Windows Media Center Edition?
[23:03] <jbovalley_> no the linux mce
[23:03] <oloughlin75> ah, never used it before
[23:03] <jbovalley_> 710 beta 4
[23:03] <jbovalley_> oh ok
[23:04] <Boohbah> what is a 'linux mce'?
[23:04] <jbovalley_> its a free media center that runs on linux
[23:05] <jbovalley_> does anyone in here knows anything about installing Linux MCE  on Kubuntu ?
[23:06] <oloughlin75> !mce
[23:06] <ubotwo> How should I know?
[23:08] <anom01y> is it ok to create a partition as a ext3, and then format as a ext2 ?
[23:11] <Regital> does anyone know if creative labs sound blaster x-fi extreme audio is supported in linux yet?
[23:11] <Regital> cause i can´t find anything online
[23:12] <Dr_Willis> Regital,  last i looked Creative had released 64bit ONLY drivers for it.
[23:12] <Dr_Willis> Regital,  im really dissapointed in creatives linux support for that thing. they blame Vista. :) they had to shift manpower to fixing the vista drivers.. so  let the linux work slide.
[23:13] <crxyem> I just upgraded from 6.10 > 7.04 > 7.10, everything seems to be running just fine other than high processor loads
[23:13] <Boohbah> http://www.linuxmce.org/ ?
[23:14] <Dr_Willis> Boohbah, ??
[23:15] <Regital> Dr_Willis: so theres no drivers for 32bit?
[23:18] <Dr_Willis> Regital,  last i looked.. No.
[23:41] <matt___> Reading package lists... Done
[23:41] <matt___> Building dependency tree
[23:41] <matt___> Reading state information... Done
[23:41] <matt___> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[23:41] <matt___> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[23:41] <matt___> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
[23:41] <matt___> or been moved out of Incoming.
[23:41] <matt___> Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
[23:41] <matt___> the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
[23:42] <matt___> that package should be filed.
[23:42] <matt___> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
[23:42] <matt___> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[23:42] <matt___>   amarok: Depends: amarok-xine but it is not going to be installed or
[23:42] <matt___>                    amarok-engine
[23:42] <matt___> i get that message when trying to install amarok.
[23:42] <matt___> i've been fooling around with it a while, now i messed up something...
[23:42] <matt___> how can i fix it?
[23:43] <LjL> !paste | matt___
[23:43] <ubotwo> matt___: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[23:43] <LjL> matt___: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:44] <matt___> LjL: ok, sorry, will next time...
[23:45] <matt___> LjL: but you have a clue where to start with this?
[23:45] <Dr_Willis> it also pays to edit your pastes a little we  need all the info :)
[23:45] <LjL> matt___: why don't you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:45] <Dr_Willis> matt___,  i would say do a 'update' and 'upgrade' then try installing again. for starters.
[23:45] <matt___> Dr_Willis: already tried...
[23:45] <matt___> LjL: it's fine, but ok.
[23:46] <LjL> matt___: it's fine..?
[23:46] <Dr_Willis> !info amarok-xine
[23:46] <ubotwo> amarok-xine: xine engine for the Amarok audio player. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.4.7-0ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 55 kB, installed size 200 kB (Only available for None)
[23:47] <Dr_Willis> somthings weird - if it cant find stuff in main.
[23:47] <Dr_Willis> (Only available for None) ? huh.
[23:47] <matt___> LjL: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59078/
[23:47] <LjL> that's just the bot
[23:48] <LjL> matt___: apt-cache policy amarok-xine   says what?
[23:48] <matt___> amarok-xine:
[23:48] <matt___>   Installed: (none)
[23:48] <matt___>   Candidate: 2:1.4.8-0ubuntu1~gutsy1
[23:48] <matt___>   Version table:
[23:48] <matt___>      2:1.4.8-0ubuntu1~gutsy1 0
[23:48] <matt___>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy-backports/main Packages
[23:48] <matt___>      2:1.4.7-0ubuntu3 0
[23:48] <matt___>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Packages
[23:48] <matt___> should i have pastbinned that?
[23:49] <LjL> matt___: yeah, would have been better. anyway try installing it explicitly with sudo apt-get install amarok-xine
[23:49] <LjL> and see what it complains about
[23:49] <matt___> The following packages have unmet dependencies: amarok-xine: Depends: libxine1 (>= 1.1.4) but it is not going to be installed
[23:49] <matt___> E: Broken packages
[23:50] <matt___> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59079/ LjL
[23:50] <LjL> matt___: do the same with libxine1
[23:51] <matt___> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[23:51] <matt___>   libxine1: Depends: libxine1-plugins (= 1.1.10-1~gutsy1) but it is not going to be installed or
[23:51] <matt___>                      libxine1-misc-plugins (= 1.1.10-1~gutsy1) but it is not going to be installed
[23:51] <matt___>             Depends: libxine1-x (= 1.1.10-1~gutsy1) but it is not going to be installed
[23:51] <matt___>             Depends: libxine1-console (= 1.1.10-1~gutsy1) but it is not going to be installed
[23:52] <matt___> E: Broken packages
[23:53] <matt___> LjL: fixed it, i removed libxine1
[23:53] <LjL> matt___: libxine1 was installed?
[23:53] <matt___> LjL: yes :??? so do you know the easiest way to setup libgpod .60 to use with an ipod classic?
[23:54] <LjL> matt___: no idea about that
[23:54] <matt___> LjL: ok...thanks.
[23:56] <oOoOoOoO_> matt___: We should have installed eggdropp in here


[19:01] <rbasak> o/
[19:01] <rbasak> Who's here?
[19:02] <DalekSec> Hopefully enough.
[19:02] <cyphermox> o/
[19:03] <cyphermox> although, brb 2 minutes
[19:08] <cyphermox> so, do we quorum?
[19:08] <sil2100> o/
[19:09] <rbasak> We need one more I think
[19:09] <sil2100> I am around but slightly distracted
[19:15] <rbasak> I don't see our applicant here
[19:16] <DalekSec> I am here.
[19:16] <sil2100> Ah, we didn't know you since you have a different nickname
[19:16] <sil2100> s/know/recognize/
[19:17] <DalekSec> DalekSec/Ukikie/Unit193 are what I'm on as right now. :)
[19:19] <cyphermox> well, we're not quorate those
[19:19] <cyphermox> *though
[19:19] <sarnold> ukelele is the one that I can never remember :)
[19:20] <cyphermox> sarnold: you're here to cheerlead for Unit193?
[19:20] <sarnold> cyphermox: by a happy coincidence :D
[19:20] <cyphermox> ah
[19:20] <DalekSec> I don't think sarnold has had to review many of my uploads. :)
[19:20] <sarnold> I have to admit I didn't *know* about it ahead of time, but whatever it is unit193 is applying for, it's probably a good idea :D
[19:21] <DalekSec> MOTU, sarnold.
[19:21] <sarnold> nice
[19:21] <sarnold> I have to admit I would have said you already had that :)
[19:22] <DalekSec> Wouldn't be the only one that thinks it, but alas I'm only Xubuntu packageset.  20 minutes pass, I presume no meeting?
[19:24] <rbasak> I guess not. Sorry :-/
[19:25] <DalekSec> Feel free to ask any questions (preferrably in -motu as I've got to go.), otherwise see you in Aug...
[19:25] <sil2100> eh
[19:26] <sil2100> DalekSec: sorry we couldn't review you today!
[19:26] <sil2100> DalekSec: I know we do have a bad history of those, but maybe an e-mail application in this case?
[19:27] <DalekSec> sil2100: I'd highly prefer not, but might have to.
[19:28] <sil2100> DalekSec: if you decide on that we'll do what we can to make sure the absent members ask questions and submit their votes as soon as possible


[12:30] <[NikO]> warning : * AgentUbuntu (n=misterio@unaffiliated/agentubuntu)
[18:51] <PATX> er can i get an irc cloak.. an ubuntu one
[18:55] <jussi01> PATX: you can only get an ubuntu cloak if you are an ubuntu member.
[18:55] <jussi01> !member | PATX
[18:56] <jussi01> PATX: you can get an unaffiliated cloak just by setting your nick up correctly and asking in #freenode
[18:58] <PATX> i have a launchpad....
[19:00] <remix_tj> it isn't enough :-)
[19:00] <PATX> wait how do u contribute to ubuntu?
[19:00] <jussi01> PATX: please read the link
[19:00] <PATX> that mean money????
[19:00] <jussi01> no
[19:01] <PATX> they mean contribute to the wiki
[19:01] <remix_tj> PATX: read the link, please
[19:01] <remix_tj> everything is explained
[19:01] <PATX> k
[19:02] <remix_tj> money are always accepted, but it's the "contribute" needed :-)


[00:02] <Daviey> hallyn: I think it should show now, the blueprint
[00:03] <hallyn> Daviey, not yet, assume a script needs to re-run?
[00:03] <Daviey> hallyn: cron
[00:03] <hallyn> Daviey, yeah, netcf got into NEW - thanks ahs3!
[00:03] <Daviey> hallyn: if it's not there in my morning, i'll dig deeper
[00:04] <hallyn> next we need to sync it and then get it into main :)
[00:04] <hallyn> Daviey, ok
[00:04] <Daviey> hallyn: I think the issue with the blueprint is that, no series was set.
[00:04] <Daviey> hallyn: If it happens to be in Debian tomorrow morning, i'll sync it over.
[00:04] <Daviey> (unlikely, based on the size of the queue IMO)
[00:05] <Daviey> right!
[00:05] <Daviey> bed
[00:05] <hallyn> night :)
[00:16] <ahs3> hallyn: np :)
[00:46] <osmosis> any way to shrink unused space in a qcow2 file?
[00:47] <zul> truncate maybe?
[00:51] <twb`> osmosis: unused as in the guest's fs driver considers it unused?
[00:51] <twb`> Because obviously in that case it will still contain non-zero data
[00:51] <osmosis> qcow2 file grew large, but the files have since been deleted from the ext3 partition. The qcow2 file already grew large though. I want to shrink it.
[00:52] <l0n> one way to do is to create a new qcow2 file and then copy everything across
[00:52] <twb`> osmosis: zerofree is the least worst thing
[00:52] <twb`> l0n: he'd need to provision a new fs on the new qcow2 from within the guest
[00:52] <osmosis> thats a local utility to run on the ext3 partition?
[00:52] <twb`> osmosis: as far as the qcow2 layer is concerned that contains valid data that it can't delete
[00:52] <l0n> na create a new qcow2 file, attach to guest and then dd everything
[00:53] <twb`> l0n: dd will copy the unallocated but non-zero blocks, forcing qcow2 to allocate them
[00:53] <osmosis> maybe i can use this: http://libguestfs.org/virt-resize.1.html
[00:53] <l0n> yeah ok true, in that case, use a new file but format it then copy manually
[00:53] <l0n> would have to dd bootsector
[00:53] <twb`> The *right* solution would be for qemu to allow the guest to signal that the blocks are no longer needed, i.e. an -o discard (ATA TRIM) behaviour
[00:54] <twb`> l0n: right re MBR/PBR area
[00:54] <osmosis> http://mindref.blogspot.com/2011/07/shrink-qcow2.html   says   qemu-img convert -O qcow2 w2k3.qcow2  w2k3-shrinked.qcow2
[00:54] <osmosis> twb`, THAT would be cool
[00:54] <twb`> osmosis: I think that (the qemu-img convert line)  will not be particularly helpful in your case
[00:54] <l0n> alternatively, apparently you fill the unused space with zeros then run 'qemu-img convert -c' which compresses it
[00:54] <osmosis> twb`, even if I have the free space zero'd ?
[00:55] <twb`> Right, if you can zero the unused blocks, *then* make a new qcow2 using qemu-img, that should reduce its size
[00:55] <osmosis> if im just going to make a new qcow2 and rsync the data over, i wouldnt even bother zeroing the old image.
[00:55] <twb`> However this will increase the host's file size to 100% of the provisioned size during that transition, not to mention the space for  the new copy of the filesystem
[00:56] <twb`> osmosis: right if you're rsyncing the data over you don't need that, but you DO need to be careful not to lose data re e.g. the selinux context, the bootloader, hard links, sparse files, etc. etc.
[00:57] <osmosis> rsync -PSHAVz works.  Just need to make sure I get  /boot parition, /dev /sys /proc setup correctly.
[00:58] <osmosis> ugh, too bad I cant just run a 'shrink' cmd
[00:58] <osmosis> maybe zero's the blocks is easier
[01:00] <twb`> osmosis: I don't have an easy answer, sorry
[01:00] <twb`> osmosis: good luck!
[01:00] <osmosis> Thank you
[01:33] <Datz> Hi, I'd like to have the server stats that are displayed in my ubuntu server box on log in, also displayed in my desktop box.  I'm guessing I could just copy some stuff in /etc/motd/ ?
[01:34] <twb`> Datz: /etc/motd.d or /etc/update-motd.d contains scripts that generate the motd in some whizzo magical fashion
[01:34]  * Datz likes magic
[01:34] <Datz> often times I can't reproduce magic though
[01:34] <twb`> Datz: IIRC byobu pulls in some good examples from some obscure non-obvious package like unattended-upgrades-common or something
[01:35] <Datz> humm
[01:35] <twb`> I have a grudge against update-motd because it was introduced very late in a Debian release cycle and broke things for me
[01:35] <Datz> double humm
[01:37] <Datz> well thanks twb`, I'll look into these things
[01:37] <twb`> Or you could just put it in ~/.profile or so
[01:38] <dustin_> hey guys I am new to using 11.10 server had an old box with 8.04 for a while but decided to update the software with moving to a VM, for some reason I cant seem to get drupal happy with apache2 and I cant seem to find the location of the apache config files
[01:39] <Datz> maybe I'll just copy the output from my ubuntu-server and put it in motd.tail and pretend it's updating
[01:39] <twb`> dustin_: /etc/apache2/
[01:39] <twb`> Datz: hehe
[01:39] <dustin_> ty twb
[01:47] <Datz> twb`: any reason I wouldn't have such a dir /etc/motd.d/ on my ubuntu server?
[01:47] <twb`> Datz: because you haven't installed it
[01:47] <twb`> Look, you've forced me to do this
[01:47] <twb`> # dpkg -S /etc/update-motd.d/ ==> base-files, update-manager-core, update-notifier-common: /etc/update-motd.d
[01:48] <Datz> o_o
[01:48] <Datz> well thanks most helpful sir
[01:48] <twb`> # aptitude why update-notifier-common ==> i byobu Recommends update-notifier-common
[01:48] <twb`> 12:34 <twb`> Datz: IIRC byobu pulls in some good examples from some obscure non-obvious package like unattended-upgrades-common or something
[01:49] <twb`> If you're talking about a different file that's on your desktop, use dpkg -S to find out what package provides it, then install that on your server
[01:49] <Datz> I now understand what you said!
[01:49] <twb`> OK :-)
[01:49] <Datz> thanks!
[02:38] <arrrghhh> hey all.  i thought there was some apt-get search tool but i can't find it
[02:38] <arrrghhh> aptitude search leaves a lot to be desired
[02:38] <arrrghhh> how can i get information about a package?
[02:43] <twb`> aptitude search will only look at package names by default; apt-cache search looks at name and description.
[02:43] <arrrghhh> apt-cache, that's it
[02:43] <twb`> Personally I would suggest aptitude search ~G to look at debtags
[02:44] <arrrghhh> i was looking for apt-get cache
[02:44] <arrrghhh> ok
[02:44] <arrrghhh> sudo aptitude search ~G pms-linux
[02:44] <arrrghhh> like that?
[02:44] <twb`> No, like aptitude search ~Gncurses~Guse::browsing
[02:45] <twb`> Of course this assumes debtags are set up and installed and so on
[02:45] <arrrghhh> hrm
[02:45] <arrrghhh> all i really want to know is the version that's on the repo
[02:45] <arrrghhh> none of these seem to show that
[02:45] <arrrghhh> i thought apt-cache search did
[02:45] <arrrghhh> but it isn't...
[02:45] <twb`> What are you actually trying to do?
[02:46] <arrrghhh> trying to find the version of an app on the repo
[02:46] <twb`> apt-cache policy <package name>
[02:46] <arrrghhh> policy... ok
[02:46] <arrrghhh> ah, that did it
[02:46] <arrrghhh> never would've guessed that was it...
[02:47] <arrrghhh> thanks twb`
[03:45] <auston> I'm having problem with internet access from client connected to eth1 and eth0 direct to router
[03:46] <arrrghhh> auston, yes...?
[03:46] <twb`> auston: either you forgot to NAT or you forgot to ip_forward
[03:46] <auston> how to do that?
[03:49] <twb`> magic
[03:49] <twb`> Sorry I can't be bothered holding your hand just now
[03:49] <arrrghhh> lol
[03:50] <arrrghhh> auston, this might help or hurt.  not sure which
[03:50] <arrrghhh> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing
[03:52] <auston> Thanks. I'll try it out first.
[06:11] <auston> Can I use the server for DNS and firewall together?
[06:12] <arrrghhh> sure
[06:12] <qman__> yes
[06:12] <qman__> you need only add a firewall rule to permit DNS queries
[06:12] <auston> thanks.
[06:13] <auston> I got message asking me whether to install kernel while installing ubuntu server 11.10
[06:42] <smoser> jamespage, when you wake up, we would like to have 20111130 cloud-images tested
[07:35] <auston> how to change primary NIC?
[07:35] <auston> I have 2 NICs installed.
[07:35] <twb> auston: define "primary"
[07:36] <ipl31> question regarding orchestra/cobbler, do the settings in the cobbler ui for vlan and bonding work with Ubuntu?
[07:36] <auston> how to do that? What command should I type in?
[07:41] <twb> auston: I'm asking you to define *to me*, in Enlish, what you think "primary" means
[07:41] <twb> *English
[07:41] <twb> auston: because the answer depends on what you're actually trying to do, and I can't guess
[07:43] <SpamapS> ipl31: look through the pre-seeds / kickstarts ... if the variables aren't used there or in the snippets, then no.
[07:44] <auston> I have no idea how to define the "primary"
[07:45] <twb> auston: OK, how about you describe what the problem is that you're trying to fix
[07:48] <auston> I have installed 2 NICs on the server, only eth0 configured with ip and able to access internet. If i plug-in the LAN cable to eth1, there's no internet access.
[07:48] <twb> And you want it to work regardless of which is plugged in?
[07:49] <twb> Or do you just want it to work for eth1 and not care about eth0?
[07:49] <Daviey> Goooooooooooooooooooood morning.
[07:50] <auston> The usage is eth0 will able to access internet and eth1 for DHCP to client
[07:53] <twb> auston: so "connection sharing"?
[07:53] <auston> yes.
[07:53] <twb> OK.
[07:54] <twb> Have you read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing ?
[07:56] <twb> The short versions is: statically configure eth1; set up MASQUERADE (and perhaps a firewall); enable ip_forward; set up a DHCP server listening on eth1.
[07:56] <auston> Yes. I have read it. Is working. Now, I'm setting another server exactly the same function but will add-in DHCP, DNS and firewall.
[07:56] <twb> Ah, OK
[07:57] <twb> If you are prepared to learn how to do firewalling by hand, #netfilter is the best place to talk about that.  As to DHCP and DNS, dnsmasq is a quick and lightweight way to have both -- or you could set up ISC dhcpd and unbound/bind for DNS
[07:58] <twb> The Ubuntu Server Guide is also a good reference for all of the above
[07:59] <auston> Ok, I'll try out the dnsmasq.
[08:04] <auston> how to install dnsmasq?
[08:10] <ipl31> SpamapS: thanks
[08:13] <RoyK> !dnsmasq
[08:13] <RoyK> auston: google for it...
[08:13] <twb> auston: apt-get install dnsmasq
[08:21] <auston> i got msg "E: unable to locate package dnsmasq
[08:24] <ipl31> ok so it looks like for advanced networking with orchestra I will need to write some shell script snippets for the post command
[08:57] <auston> I managed to install dnsmasq finally :)
[09:07] <koolhead11> hi all
[09:13] <jamespage> morning all
[09:13] <jamespage> hi koolhead11!
[09:16] <koolhead11> hello jamespage
[09:17] <auston> hello
[09:38] <auston> Wat should I do to configure DHCP and DNS after installed dnsmasq?
[09:43] <lynxman> morning o/
[09:43] <lynxman> jamespage: morning good sir
[09:43] <lynxman> koolhead11: ello! :)
[09:43] <koolhead11> hello lynxman :)
[09:46] <jamespage> morning lynxman
[09:49] <koolhead11> lynxman: ^^^^Nagios configuration for Orchestra ^^^^
[09:52] <lynxman> koolhead11: are you watching my commits? lol
[09:53] <koolhead11> lynxman: subscribed to orchestra :D
[09:53] <lynxman> koolhead11: aaah ;)
[10:01] <SteeveFMX> Bonjours
[10:25] <koolhead11> ttx: that mail was encouraging!! :)
[10:37] <ttx> koolhead11: I happen to know both sides of the fence quite well.
[10:38] <ttx> and I learned to understand the value of the fence.
[10:38] <koolhead11> ttx: :)
[10:45] <koolhead11> ttx: https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/888385  Does that mean the bug will be fixed-released with essex?
[10:46] <ttx> dunno, they targeted the fix for E2, so they indicarted that they will fix it soon
[11:03] <koolhead11> ttx: https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/897882  solves #888385
[11:04] <koolhead11> as am not getting same error after modifying my pip-requires with quantum path change :D
[11:06]  * koolhead11 adding comment to the bug
[11:10] <koolhead11> with 1 line patch :P
[11:20] <Ursinha> good morning :)
[11:20] <lynxman> Ursinha: bom dia!
[11:20] <koolhead11> ttx: done :D
[11:20] <koolhead11> hola Ursinha
[11:20] <Ursinha> lynxman: :D
[11:20] <Ursinha> koolhead11: hola :)
[11:21] <koolhead11> Ursinha: am awesome, how have you been?
[11:23] <Ursinha> koolhead11: great :D
[11:24] <koolhead11> awesome!! :D
[12:25] <honey_> is there any body who can tell me on how to configure the apache on greenstone software on ubuntu?
[12:28] <honey_> is there any body who can tell me on how to configure the apache on greenstone software on ubuntu?
[12:29] <RoyK> greenstone?
[12:30] <honey_> specialy on assigning the server name
[12:30] <jetole> Does anyone know how I can configure the dhcp client to provide a static "search" for domains in resolv.conf regardless of what the dhcp server tells it?
[12:32] <ikonia> jetole: there are ignore options for dhclient
[12:32] <honey_> Royk:it is a software tha can be use for digital libarary
[12:33] <jetole> ikonia: well thats useful but is there a way for me to configure certain things for resolv.conf so if it ever gets changed then the client would restore it?
[12:47] <RoyK> honey_: dunno about greenstone, really, but do you just need to configure an apache virtualhost?
[12:49] <honey_> Royk:yeah i know it it is open source and what i need is i would like to tell the adress and assighn the name of server
[12:49] <honey_> that means  configure an apache virtualhost
[12:52] <ikonia> jetole: yes, there are options to ignore certain options that are given from the dhcp server
[12:53] <RoyK> honey_: lemme check
[12:54] <honey_> Royk:ok
[13:21] <nocturn> Hi
[13:22] <nocturn> I installed Ubuntu server on a datacenter host and want to set up KVM networking
[13:22] <nocturn> internal network is ok, but one of the hosts needs an external IP.  What settings would I need for that?  I tried over virbr0 but that doesn't work
[13:23] <nocturn> Server is running 11.10
[13:30] <derdoktor> hi nocturn, "virbr0"? seems you are using libvirt. perhaps virt-manager
[13:30] <nocturn> derdoktor: yes, I used virtmanager
[13:30] <nocturn> the NAT networking is already working well
[13:31] <nocturn> just want to give one VM two interfaces, one natted, another a public IP
[13:31] <derdoktor> have you tried bridge-utils?
[13:32] <derdoktor> take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Networking
[13:33] <derdoktor> the bridge-utils supply with a virtual network switch
[13:38] <smoser> jamespage, ping
[13:39] <jamespage> smoser: pong
[13:39] <smoser> did you start some tests ?
[13:41] <jamespage> smoser: not yet
[13:41] <jamespage> smoser: waiting for some firewall access outbound to be fixed up
[13:42] <smoser> jamespage, thats fine. just curious, i would lok for them at https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/precise-server-ec2 ?
[13:43] <nocturn> derdoktor: do I need to create a second bridge?
[13:43] <jamespage> smoser: yes but we have not run it yet so its not been publised
[13:43] <smoser> right.
[13:43] <nocturn> have read that page, but didn't find my answer
[13:43] <derdoktor> i dont think so
[13:43] <smoser> jamespage, so... i guesssed the 'precise' based on browser history with https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/oneiric-server-ec2/
[13:44] <smoser> but that url is also empty, as are all my other history urls... many of which i had supposed were semi-permenant and placed links to them in bugs and such.
[13:44] <zul> good morning
[13:45] <smoser> s/supposed/assumed/
[13:45] <jamespage> smoser: hmm - looks like someone tidied up
[13:48]  * smoser remembers to never AssUMe
[13:56] <smoser> jamespage, utlemming 20111130 and 20111129.2 have the same manifest contents. utlemming had requested 1129.2, i requested 1130. it doesn't really matter but for some reason i like builds without the .X on them. it hides the fact that we scrambled :)
[13:59] <jamespage> RoAkSoAx, ping
[14:28] <koolhead11> hola smoser
[14:29] <smoser> hey.
[14:29] <smoser> how goes life ?
[14:34] <koolhead11> smoser: i have yet not tried solution u asked me to look at, was still doing R&D with my own server image. seems like finally i will look at the wiki :D
[14:35] <smoser> i'm not following. i dont think.
[14:37] <koolhead11> smoser: i meant https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC/Images#Ubuntu_Cloud_Guest_images_on_Local_Hypervisor_Natty_onward :D
[14:37] <ttx> mdeslaur, jdstrand: would love to see your opinion on http://fnords.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/improving-nova-privilege-escalation-model-part-3/
[14:37] <ttx> (as well as anyone else with a white hat or a python in their closet)
[14:38] <mdeslaur> ttx: sure, I'll take a look a little later when I have a few minutes
[14:38] <smoser> ah. ok.
[14:38] <ttx> mdeslaur: thanks !
[14:42] <koolhead11> ttx: seems like finally openstack project too got attacked by trolls :D
[14:46] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage pong
[14:46] <jamespage> RoAkSoAx, hey
[14:47] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage howdy
[14:47] <ttx> koolhead11: trolls ? where ?
[14:47] <jamespage> I think that powernap is causing a few issues with the dell hardwre we have in the lab
[14:47] <jamespage> See https://launchpad.net/bugs/898127
[14:47] <jamespage> I updated the preseed jibel was using to disable the CPU scaling stuff and the problem went away
[14:48] <jamespage> RoAkSoAx: how would you feel about disabling the CPU management by default?
[14:48] <jamespage> at least until we can ID what the problem is with this specific hardware....
[14:48] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage i thought i did that already
[14:49] <jamespage> RoAkSoAx, interesting - this was on precise
[14:50] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: I guess I didn't :)
[14:51] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: yeah the cpu_online script will be turned off by default for now
[14:51] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: thought, can you manually try to turn on half of the cores and see what's the result of doing so?
[14:52] <jamespage> RoAkSoAx, TBH we don't really get the change - the server freezes straight away
[14:52] <jamespage> I saw similar on oneiric
[14:52] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: yeah it seems to be an issue that started with 3.0
[14:52] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: but can you manually remove half of the cores? or juts 1 to see if the problem persists
[14:52] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: it is just for general testing though
[14:53] <jamespage> RoAkSoAx: I'll see what we can do
[14:53] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: in reality, i wanna see if this is being caused by turning off *all* but 1 core, or by turning off even 1 single core
[14:55] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: I have ipxe doing our bidding, with a hard coded next-server..
[14:56] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: yeah but that's not what we want, right?
[14:57] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: that is /exactly/ what we want
[14:57] <Daviey> (as an option)
[14:57] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: fancy a hangout in 30 mins or so?
[14:58] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: give me a sec
[14:58] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: but pastebin what you did :)
[14:59] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: is going to be easier screensharing i think
[14:59] <zul> yes the peanut gallery wants to see what you did (talking about myself)
[15:01] <ikonia> Daviey: I've re-done the dovecot package that failed in 11.10 with the current 12.04 build, I'm rusty on process, who do I submit this to for review
[15:02] <Ursinha> Daviey: I reproduced the glance bug
[15:02] <Ursinha> upgrading natty to oneiric is enough
[15:03] <Daviey> ikonia: Great, have you done it via bzr or flat packaging?
[15:03] <ikonia> Daviey: local only here on a test box, I can upload into bzr, just wasn't sure of the process, hence asking
[15:04] <ikonia> it's been a while since I submitted stuff
[15:04] <Daviey> ikonia: Okay, is this to fix the precise package, or oneiric?
[15:05] <ikonia> precise, once that's ok, I'm going to try (but it looks like it's not worth it) to bring the versions up as a back port for oneiric
[15:05] <ikonia> one thing at a time though
[15:05] <Daviey> ikonia: okay, as it's not currently in bzr; it's probably going to be better to use debdiff.
[15:06] <Daviey> So grab the current precise package, pull-lp-source $package precise ; debdiff current-precise.dsc your-package.dsc
[15:06] <Daviey> > your-package.debdiff
[15:06] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: im ready
[15:06] <ikonia> so I just submit the patch, I don't need to worry about the package
[15:06] <ikonia> great
[15:07] <Daviey> If you then want to pastebin what you have, we'll take a quick look.. ?
[15:07] <ikonia> thank you
[15:07] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: I have another call starting right now
[15:07] <ikonia> I shall once I've done the process, on the wrong box here
[15:07] <Daviey> ikonia: yep, the patch is what matters more
[15:07] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: plop :)
[15:10] <iclebyte> is there an isc-dhcpd channel on freenode?
[15:12] <koolhead11> iclebyte: what is your issue?
[15:12] <koolhead11> dhcp related?
[15:14] <iclebyte> we are trialing a new fibre deployment. we need to give out IP's from a pool based on the agent.remote-id and agent.circuit-id values - we have class matching working using 'options host-name' but we can't seem to find the correct agent.remote-id values. is there a way to tell bind to log them to syslog?
[15:32] <capeta> how can i do to prevent a package from being installed/updated ?
[16:03] <Daviey> adam_g: around?
[17:26] <Ursinha> Daviey: so, glance package has a bug, I could reproduce it
[17:26] <Ursinha> Daviey: with whom should I talk to about it? I know where it's failing but not sure what should be the correct behaviour there
[17:26] <Ursinha> bug 883988
[17:29] <Ursinha> Daviey: hello :)
[17:29] <Daviey> hello
[17:30] <Daviey> Ursinha: you are seeing that same issue?
[17:30] <Daviey> zul: ^^ did you see that?
[17:32] <Ursinha> Daviey: yes
[17:32] <Ursinha> Daviey: problem is when glance is running postinstall script, and it tries to migrate the glance db
[17:33] <Ursinha> the migration script tries to create tables that the sqlite db already have
[17:33] <Ursinha> so it breaks
[17:34] <Daviey> :(
[17:34] <Daviey> Ursinha: this is probably one for zul..
[17:34] <Daviey> Ursinha: is this clean install or upgrade from oneiric to precise?
[17:35] <Ursinha> Daviey: steps: installed natty, apt-get update/upgrade, installed glance, dist-upgraded to oneiric
[17:35] <Daviey> ah
[17:35] <Daviey> Ursinha: lets see zul's comments when he returns
[17:35] <Ursinha> Daviey: that's the same scenario of the dupes I've spotted
[17:35] <Ursinha> I marked them all as dupes then
[17:37] <Ursinha> Daviey: so, is it reasonable to create an oneiric task for that bug?
[17:38] <Ursinha> I think so
[17:43] <Daviey> Ursinha: yes please!
[17:43] <Ursinha> :)
[17:45] <zul> Daviey: gah...k
[17:47] <zul> Daviey Urisinha: havent seen it recently but ill try to put some logic in the packaging
[17:53] <Daviey> zul: i understood that the upgrade process wasn't safe for glance
[17:53] <Daviey> it was different to nova
[17:53] <zul> Daviey: maybe it got fixed
[17:54] <Daviey> oh
[17:54] <Ursinha> Urisinha is new... have to add to hilight list :P
[17:54] <zul> Ursinha: heh cloud is not so fluffy sometimes
[17:54] <Ursinha> anyway we'll need to SRU that, right?
[17:55] <Ursinha> if it's fixed, I wonder why the bug isn't indicating that... do you know zul?
[17:55] <zul> Ursinha: im double checking
[17:55] <zul> Ursinha: it should be
[17:56] <Ursinha> zul: by fixed you mean what?
[17:56] <Ursinha> upstream fixed? packaged and uploaded somewhere?
[17:56] <zul> Ursinha: sorry upstream fixed
[17:57] <Ursinha> how do we indicate that in the bug?
[17:57] <zul> Ursinha: good question :)
[17:57] <zul> Ursinha: i usually say "This should be fixed in the new release of Essex please test and re-open if this is not the case"
[18:01] <Ursinha> zul: so, what we need to do to fix it in ubuntu? bring the fix/package? I have no idea how this works, so, sorry the silly question :)
[18:03] <zul> Ursinha: now worries we will have to nail down the bug but going through the upstream fix and backport it, its might be fixed in the release ill be doing for oneiric as soon as we get through the paperwork for doing a stable release for glance
[18:04] <zul> Ursinha: ill take care of it
[18:05] <Ursinha> zul: okay :) I'll find something else to try fixing then :)
[18:06] <zul> Ursinha: i would start with something small
[18:07] <adam_g> Daviey: here
[18:07] <Ursinha> Daviey: point me something small
[18:07] <Daviey> adam_g: hey, can't really do it right now - hoped to have a catch up
[18:08] <Daviey> Ursinha: something small... my will to live? :)
[18:09] <Ursinha> Daviey: man... shut up
[18:09] <Ursinha> haha
[18:11] <Daviey> Ursinha: so, bug 894754 isn't too bad
[18:11] <Daviey> The Depends are not right, which isn't pulling in the -dkms package when needed
[18:12] <hallyn> drat, there was jsut a very tiny bug (in terms of fix) in qemu-kvm, i almost asked here if anyone wanted to do it
[18:12] <hallyn> (but didn't)
[18:12] <Ursinha> :)
[18:15] <Ursinha> Daviey: so... just adding the dependency should fix it?
[18:15] <Ursinha> hallyn: is the bug there yet? :P
[18:15] <hallyn> sorry, what do you mean?
[18:16] <hallyn> the fix?
[18:16] <hallyn> if so, yeah, i posted the debdiff on the bug (bc we're in freeze so i didn't want to push it :)
[18:17] <hallyn> but i bet there are other bitsize ones in the virt stack we can find if you're bored after the vswitch one :)
[18:18]  * hallyn goes to try a change to compiz, we'll see if i get dropped :)
[18:18] <Daviey> hallyn: Are you free to help Ursinha with the openvswitch one if she needs it?
[18:18] <Ursinha> hallyn: the small bug you mentioned
[18:18] <Ursinha> if it's available to be fixed
[18:18] <Ursinha> okay :)
[18:20] <hallyn> Daviey, Ursinha: yeah, it's lunchtime now, but i can help with the openvswitch one in a bit if you like
[18:21] <Ursinha> hallyn: I'd love to :)
[18:21] <Ursinha> thanks!
[18:27] <Daviey> hallyn: thanks
[18:28] <Ursinha> Daviey: I think I can't add a distrotask
[18:28] <Ursinha> ?
[18:29] <Ursinha> release task?
[18:29] <Ursinha> I forgot how to call that
[18:35] <Daviey> Ursinha: go for it :)
[18:36] <koolhead17> Daviey: you have sometime today for sqlite bug fix. :)
[18:36] <philipsmatto> hi guys, can you help me to configure iptables well, please?
[18:37] <Resistance> philipsmatto, define "configure well"
[18:37] <Resistance> because what I'd call a decent configuration and set of rules another would call it crap
[18:37] <Resistance> as well, the confiugration is dependent on what exactly you want it to do
[18:38] <Resistance> i.e. what you want allowed, what you want to block, etc.
[18:38] <philipsmatto> okok excuse me, i have small LAMP server that i must use for webserver
[18:38] <philipsmatto> i
[18:39] <philipsmatto> would like
[18:39] <philipsmatto> that my server will + secure
[18:40] <Daviey> koolhead17: I do not today, but maybe someone else can helo?
[18:40] <Daviey> smoser: ^^?
[18:40] <philipsmatto> now iptables is defoul
[18:40] <Resistance> !enter | philipsmatto
[18:40] <Resistance> hmm
[18:40] <philipsmatto> ok excuse me
[18:40] <Resistance> philipsmatto, whats your primary language?  english?
[18:40] <Resistance> or something else
[18:40] <smoser> Daviey, sure. whats up koolhead17 ?
[18:40]  * Resistance doesnt think its english but isnt sure
[18:41] <philipsmatto> true
[18:41] <philipsmatto> i'm italian
[18:41] <Resistance> ah
[18:41] <Resistance> explains the english then
[18:41] <koolhead17> smoser: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/+bug/875262
[18:41] <Resistance> philipsmatto, what i do with *just web servers* is i block all external traffic that is not coming in on the ports necessary for the web server
[18:42] <Resistance> philipsmatto, for instance, ports 80 and 443 are opened, but not much else.
[18:42] <koolhead17> i worked on this and tried few things. last time Daviey suggested we can work on it with screen as even am new to it. :)
[18:42] <Resistance> as well, ssh is open on a nonstandard port because my servers are offsite
[18:42] <Resistance> but not much else is opened to the world
[18:42] <smoser> oh.. shoot. i dont really have time for that right now, as i'd have to even come up to speed on that bug.
[18:43] <Resistance> philipsmatto, there's about ten thousand different "good configurations" but for basic yet somewhat secure, you can block all traffic except for that you identify
[18:43] <Resistance> as okay
[18:43] <Resistance> aw crud, stupid enter key... >.>
[18:43] <koolhead17> smoser: ok.
[18:44] <Resistance> philipsmatto, is this a VPS or an actual Ubuntu box you own?
[18:44] <Daviey> smoser: thanks anyway
[18:45] <philipsmatto> i have one server at home, it's a old pc
[18:45] <Resistance> ok
[18:45] <Resistance> philipsmatto, give me about a minute
[18:45] <Resistance> so i can write up the list of stuff you'd need to execute for iptables
[18:46] <Resistance> philipsmatto, oh, and one last question... do you plan on rebooting this computer often, or shutting it down often?
[18:46] <philipsmatto> yes yes
[18:46] <Resistance> yes to which?  shutting it down often?
[18:46] <Resistance> (aka rebooting)
[18:47] <philipsmatto> yep
[18:47] <Resistance> ok
[18:48] <Resistance> gimme a few seconds
[18:48] <philipsmatto> okok tnk u!
[18:49] <Resistance> Daviey, i've got Ubuntu Desktop running on my server instance, so i have if-up/if-down scripts which autoload and autosave iptables...  do you know of any easier method of making iptables.rules persistently loaded?
[18:49] <koolhead17> jamespage: whats up with java in your twitter handle :D
[18:49] <Resistance> (i.e. on boot)
[18:50] <koolhead17> !iptable
[18:51] <koolhead17> Resistance: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/firewall.html  see if this helps.
[18:52] <Resistance> koolhead17, ok thanks
[18:52] <philipsmatto> Resistance but if i don't shutdown, remain the config?
[18:52] <Resistance> philipsmatto, yes that's true.  but i have a method that will allow it to autoload the rules on boot.
[18:52] <philipsmatto> true
[18:52] <Resistance> philipsmatto, first, install the iptables-persistent package (in terminal: sudo apt-get install iptables-persistent)
[18:53] <Resistance> philipsmatto, now gimme a sec to upload this thing somewhere...
[18:53] <koolhead17> Resistance: check for shorewall, things will be much easier 4 you :D
[18:53] <Resistance> koolhead17, i already have iptables configured
[18:53] <philipsmatto> trnk a lot!!
[18:53] <Resistance> this is for philipsmatto who asked how to set up iptables as their firewall with  a "good" config
[18:56] <philipsmatto> Resistance but olther Iptables, i must install olther firewall or no?
[18:56] <Resistance> philipsmatto, if you're asking whether you need a different firewall if you dont want to use iptables, then yes.  there are easier firewalls to use, though.
[18:57] <Resistance> (fwiw, I prefer iptables, but i'm old school)
[18:57] <Resistance> (and i remembered half of the iptables man page)
[18:57] <philipsmatto> :) okok
[18:58] <Resistance> philipsmatto, i assume you have superuser on the box which is the server?  (i.e. sudo or root access)
[18:58] <philipsmatto> true
[18:59] <philipsmatto> attend
[18:59] <Resistance> okay, then as superuser create the file /etc/iptables.rules
[18:59] <Resistance> and put inside that file the content of this: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=r2sYd2bK
[18:59] <Resistance> or...
[18:59] <Resistance> you can *try* to wget that
[19:00] <Resistance> but it might not work that way
[19:00] <Resistance> huh actually that did work *shrugs*
[19:02] <philipsmatto> now i can't doing,  wrriting notes
[19:02] <philipsmatto> *writing
[19:02] <philipsmatto> and stop?
[19:04] <philipsmatto> later this operation i don't must doing nothing?
[19:04] <Resistance> after you've done that, you'll need to do (as superuser) iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.rules
[19:04] <Resistance> assuming you saved the file in /etc/
[19:04] <Resistance> WHOAH lag spike
[19:04]  * Resistance just lagged
[19:05] <Resistance> then i *believe* that iptables-persistent will keep the rules in future
[19:05]  * Resistance hasnt tested this in depth
[19:07] <philipsmatto> okok trnks u a lot!!!!!
[19:08] <philipsmatto> but with this configuration , Iptables  block DDoS attack?
[19:12] <Resistance> not much defends against DDoS
[19:13] <Resistance> but its far less likely they'll be able to hit your critical items
[19:13] <Resistance> maybe your web server
[19:13] <Resistance> but not much else
[19:13] <l0n> http://www.riorey.com/
[19:14] <l0n> use them for ddos, might cost a bit though ;)
[19:15] <jMCg> For, or against?
[19:15] <l0n> to defend against it
[19:16]  * RoyK is somewhat sceptical
[19:17] <RoyK> l0n: if a 100k node botnet attacks your site, how will they defend it?
[19:18] <l0n> RoyK Not sure if they do DDoS protection as a service or not, if they do, I suspect you could get your IPs routed via them and they'll take care of it
[19:19] <l0n> If not then 100k would probably fill up your pipe so yeah, no device would protect you
[19:19] <l0n> unless you had a really really really really fat pipe
[19:20] <RoyK> and if you can live through a 100k node attack, what about that 10M node attack?
[19:20] <RoyK> some botnets are BIG
[19:20] <l0n> idd, well you need DDoS as a service but like I say, it'll cost ya an arm & a leg
[19:20] <sarthor> how to reload squid in 11.10 ? /etc/init.d/squid/ reload is not working
[19:21] <l0n> RoyK not every DDoS is that big though, I used to work for a hosting provider that got DDoSed a lot and the protection they had did the job
[19:21] <philipsmatto> excuse me , but for defender my website, what i doing?
[19:22] <sarthor> i did service squid reload  but i did  not saw any change in tail -f /var/log/syslog
[19:23] <philipsmatto> ?
[19:23] <l0n> philipsmatto make sure you block all ports apart from those required e.g. http and ensure you keep your externally accessible services up to date and locked down
[19:23] <l0n> you may also want to consider running the site in a chrooted env, using selinux or easier way is to run it in a virtual machine. This is to minimise damage in the event that you get hacked.
[19:24] <l0n> you might also want to use an application layer firewall like mod security
[19:25] <philipsmatto> eh, this
[19:25] <philipsmatto> which use?
[19:25] <l0n> philipsmatto: sorry, I don't understand what you mean
[19:26] <Resistance> l0n, i helped him with iptables
[19:26] <Resistance> l0n, there's a -j REJECT rule at the end
[19:26] <Resistance> of the INPUT table
[19:26] <Resistance> it acts as a catch-all-other-crapo
[19:27] <Resistance> if it doesnt match the first rules, the system sends the REJECT packet
[19:27] <Resistance> and in the config
[19:27] <Resistance> only port 80 is open to the universe
[19:27] <philipsmatto> excuse me, you are right, i would like say: which do i use?
[19:27] <Resistance> which what?
[19:27] <Resistance> firewall?
[19:27] <philipsmatto>  mod
[19:28] <Resistance> "mod"?
[19:28] <RoyK> philipsmatto: for most use, just use ufw
[19:28] <philipsmatto> ' you might also want to use an application layer firewall like mod security'
[19:28] <philipsmatto> mod security
[19:28] <Resistance> ah apache mod security
[19:28] <Resistance> :P
[19:29] <Resistance> i'd listen to RoyK then, and work wtih ufw
[19:29] <Resistance> in which case they can help ya undo the iptables stuff and set you up with ufw
[19:29] <Resistance> me, i've got classes
[19:29]  * Resistance runs because he's 12 minutes late
[19:29] <RoyK> Resistance: if the shit hits the fan and someone DoS you or get nasty somehow, well, add more layers of security
[19:29] <Resistance> RoyK, hehe, "Secuirty in Depth" doesnt always work
[19:30] <philipsmatto> i knew
[19:30] <RoyK> Resistance: place an unpatched windows machine somewhere on the server farm and wait...
[19:31] <Resistance> RoyK hehe
[19:31] <Resistance> would it surprise you the Feds do that?
[19:32]  * Resistance points at this server he was fixing prior to realizing he was late to class
[19:32]  * RoyK just setup five 2x12core machines in an MPI cluster and finds it works :D
[19:33] <philipsmatto> Resistance, i  must just  install apache mod security and your configuration?  So my server is safe?
[19:34] <Resistance> philipsmatto, one thing to realize... servers are never 100% safe
[19:34] <Resistance> the only safe server is not connected to the network, and is not connected to the internet
[19:34] <Resistance> therefore a standalone machine that is safe from external threats
[19:35] <Resistance> but the iptables rules that i gave you are pretty solid
[19:35] <Resistance> and since i dont use apache i cant help you with mod security ;P
[19:35]  * Resistance uses nginx web server
[19:36] <l0n> Resistance, just out of interest, does nginx have something like mod security?
[19:36]  * RoyK doubts it
[19:36] <Resistance> l0n, not sure, i could check.  but fwiw, my sites i run on it are behind a hardware firewall and therefore arent exposed to the internet
[19:36] <Resistance> but i do use nginx for everything ;P
[19:36] <Resistance> except ASP crap... that, i'm forced to use a windows server for
[19:36] <l0n> but you've got port 80 open on your hw firewall haven't you or you mean it's an internal web server?
[19:36] <RoyK> l0n: nginx is very light-weight, quite the opposite of apache, which is more like an operating system in comparison
[19:36] <philipsmatto> port 80
[19:37] <philipsmatto> port 80 is request for redirect (with DNS)
[19:37] <l0n> hehe idd Royk
[19:37] <Resistance> l0n, [INTERNET] -> HardwareFireWall -> network
[19:37] <Resistance> but the hw firewall doesnt have a port 80 rule
[19:37] <Resistance> at least not for the nginx webserver itself
[19:37] <l0n> so your web server is for internal use only?
[19:38] <Resistance> mhm
[19:38] <RoyK> - Emacs is a decent operating system, but it lacks a good editor...
[19:38] <Resistance> well... the one which i truly give a crap about, yes
 Resistance, just out of interest, does nginx have something like mod security?  <--- answer: no
[19:39] <barcef> How do I turn my hosted ubuntu server(w/ public IP) into an HTTP PROXY server?
[19:39] <RoyK> barcef: apt-get install squid
[19:39] <philipsmatto> Resistance, how u connect your WEBSERVER with doman without port 80?
[19:39] <Resistance> philipballew, the thing runs its own DNS server off of a 10.x.x.x internal network IP
[19:39] <RoyK> barcef: but then, there are different types of proxy servers and ...
[19:40] <Resistance> philipballew, so if i type "webserver.foobar.baz" it'll route the requests to 10.x.x.x
[19:40] <l0n> Ah ok, that explains why ppl run Apache and Nginx I suppose
[19:40] <Resistance> since all systems on the internal net of mine have that servers's DNS IP stored
[19:40] <barcef> RoyK,  How would I tell what type I need? I need to route my nintendo wii though my server in the US to get my netflix in english.
[19:40] <Resistance> more like hardwired... but meh
[19:41] <Resistance> philipballew, for the internal networked server, there's an iptables firewall rule that has port 80 open
[19:41] <RoyK> barcef: that'll be a normal front proxy - squid is good for that
[19:41] <Resistance> philipballew, but that server isnt shown to the universe outside the internal net
[19:41] <RoyK> barcef: just install it and edit /etc/squid/squid.conf (read the comments)
[19:42] <Resistance> philipballew, the trekweb server, though, for trekweb.org, ituses nginx but is offsite and internet-facing
[19:42] <barcef> RoyK, ahh.. thanks man... thats awesome.
[19:48] <philipsmatto> thanks a lot
[19:49] <philipsmatto> Resistence :)
[19:51] <philipsmatto> I owe you a favor
[19:58] <philipsmatto> Guys i must goind
[19:58] <hallyn> Ursinha, sorry, got carried away w a patch review.  how is bug 894754 treating you?
[19:58] <philipsmatto> trnks a lot!!!!
[19:59] <Ursinha> hallyn: I'm trying to reproduce in precise to see where to start
[19:59] <Ursinha> reproducing in precise implies downloading iso and so on, so taking a while now :)
[19:59] <hallyn> bleh, i see :)
[19:59] <hallyn> i'll start the same
[20:00] <hallyn> (waiting for victim stack instance to spin up)
[20:01] <Ursinha> :)
[20:09] <hallyn> Ursinha, if you look at the commit msg for 1.2.1-3, that sounds like actually a good alternative
[20:10] <hallyn> oh!  the bug was reported on oneiric?  so that actually is the fix we want
[20:10] <hallyn> (oneiric is on 1.2.0-1ubuntu1)
[20:12] <hallyn> Ursinha, so, do a : "pull-lp-source openvswitch; pull-lp-source openvswitch oneiric", and then look at the diff in debian/openvswitch-switch.init between both versions
[20:13] <hallyn> Ursinha, this should also mean that it can be marked fixed released, and affecting oneiric
[20:14] <Ursinha> hallyn: yeah, but do you think it should just not fail instead of adding another dependency that would actually build it? (if I understood the problem well)
[20:14] <Ursinha> does that mean the package doesn't need the module to work?
[20:15] <hallyn> gah, would my wm pls stop resetting when i get popups?
[20:16] <hallyn> Ursinha, yeah, was the original idea.  It seems perhaps less safe depending on how robust the dkms building is
[20:16] <Ursinha> hm, right
[20:17] <Ursinha> what do you mean by safe?
[20:17] <Ursinha> won't hilight you so your wm won't reset :)
[20:17] <hallyn> well if it fails 20% of the time to build,
[20:17] <hallyn> thanks :)
[20:18] <hallyn> eh, you're probably right, should probably be recommended:
[20:19] <hallyn> but see, i just tried to install the dkms and got
[20:19] <hallyn> Error! Your kernel headers for kernel 3.2.0-2-virtual cannot be found.
[20:19] <hallyn>
[20:19] <hallyn> :)
[20:19] <Ursinha> isn't that a problem in dkms package? :)
[20:20] <hallyn> so, the package install would then still fail.  I think I see the real bug in openvswitch-switch as being that package update fails (making future updates noisier).
[20:20] <hallyn> it's a problem inherent indkms i think - it's complaining bc the running kernel is older than the one that came in the current-headers pkg
[20:20] <Ursinha> I don't like that much
[20:20] <Ursinha> *that that
[20:21] <hallyn> heh, if we could just get vswitch into upstream kernel we wouldn't need to do dkms :)
[20:21] <Ursinha> :)
[20:21] <Ursinha> do we need the module for that package?
[20:21] <hallyn> what do you mean?
[20:21] <hallyn> yeah, it's needed, so yes it should be Recommended
[20:22] <Ursinha> if openvswitch_mod is needed for that openvswitch-switch package is meant to, so it's required, no?
[20:22] <hallyn> yup
[20:23] <Ursinha> do it's a dependency and not just a recommendation?
[20:23] <Ursinha> s/do/so/
[20:24] <Ursinha> I guess I see the problem you are pointing
[20:25] <Ursinha> it's required, but module building is likely to fail, so better recommend and try and not break instead of creating problems for the average of users..
[20:25] <hallyn> that *was* my point, but it's only half valid.
[20:26] <jamespage> Daviey: iscsi testing completed
[20:26] <hallyn> i think you should both make it Depend, and backport the fix to the init script
[20:26] <Daviey> jamespage: you rock star!
[20:27] <Ursinha> hallyn: right!
[20:27] <Ursinha> oops, sorry
[20:27] <Ursinha> :S
[20:28] <hallyn> heh, np, it's not being uppity right now
[20:32] <hallyn> Ursinha, so let me know if you have any questions on proceeding.  if you want me too look at the debdiff poke me.
[20:32] <Ursinha> sure, thanks!
[20:33] <hallyn> man qemu-linaro build takes HOURS
[20:35] <jamespage> Daviey: this might be a stoopid question but is there a reason why I get the -generic kernel on amd64 server installs?
[20:40] <Daviey> jamespage: hmm, good question.. Probably a better one to throw to apw or smb tomorrow.
[20:41] <apw> jamespage, that is because the -server and -generic configurations have been merged
[20:41] <apw> jamespage, they were almost identicle anyhow, so for now the linux-server meta points to linux-image-generic
[20:47] <Daviey> apw: So that is what i thought, but there still seems to be a -server kernel?
[20:47] <Resistance> is it a pseudopackage?
[20:47] <Resistance> or does it actually provide something?
[20:47] <Resistance> Daviey, ^
[20:47] <Resistance> (the -server kernel package)
[20:49] <apw> linux-image-*-server ? Daviey i can't see it
[20:50] <Daviey> grr, might help if i wasn't looking at oneiric
[20:59] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: hmm, seems we can also pass an initrd to ipxe, which is a flat script - rather than tagging onto the cmd line.
[21:06] <zul> jamespage: hey do you have instructions to setup iscsi for the iso testing?
[21:10] <patdk-wk> zul, sorry, I had been running those tests, but internet been bouncing around all day :(
[21:10] <zul> patdk-wk: do you have instructions to setup iscsi?
[21:11] <patdk-wk> instructions? not really, I have my enviroment setup for iscsi though
[21:11] <zul> with iscsitarget right?
[21:12] <patdk-wk> heh?
[21:12] <patdk-wk> I meant iscsi root
[21:15] <jamespage> zul: http://paste.ubuntu.com/755364/
[21:16] <zul> jamespage: heh...i love you
[21:17] <patdk-wk> so it is iscsi root info you wanted, but I don't use iscsitarget for my iscsi server
[21:17] <jamespage> and http://paste.ubuntu.com/755366/ into virsh
[21:18] <jamespage> zul: http://paste.ubuntu.com/755368/ to grab the kernel and initrd for the authenticated test for reboot
[21:18] <patdk-wk> that is extreemly annoying
[21:18] <patdk-wk> gpxe chainload iscsi boot
[21:20] <b0gatyr> join #windows-server
[21:23] <lynxman> b0gatyr: right now!
[21:28] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: really? cuase for what I read it wasn't possible in the old one. But it would be cool if we could
[21:33] <koolhead17> lol lynxman
[21:38] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, jamespage adam_g zul SpamapS anyone...
[21:39] <smoser> anything you all tihnk should be release noted
[21:39] <smoser> for alpha-1
[21:39] <smoser> utlemming, ^
[21:39] <smoser> either known issues or new function/notable things.
[21:41] <zul> nada
[21:41] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: yeah, i just went through the mailing list archives, it landed this month
[21:41] <backburner> so after I use orchestra to install my server , what is the default username and password??
[21:43] <adam_g> smoser: hmm. squid to squid3 migratin?
[21:43] <Daviey> smoser: New Upstream cobbler snapshot, based on 2.2.2 .. openstack components based on Essex 2.
[21:44] <smoser> at this point we're not filtering anything out
[21:44] <smoser> as the list is... um... 3 items at the moment
[21:44] <backburner> I don't see where I can set a username and password in cobbler/orchestra
[21:44] <backburner> so I have this shinny new server loaded but I can't login without purgeing the password
[21:45] <Daviey> smoser: Are you adding to the release notes for the cloud images, the nic issue?
[21:45] <smoser> i suppose we can add it as a known issue.
[21:45] <smoser> the only real issue is that the images are then 120M populated larger than they would be.
[21:45] <smoser> but we should probably note it.
[21:45] <adam_g> backburner: login to what? a newly provisioned system or cobbler itself?
[21:55] <Daviey> hallyn: So i plan to do a new upstream snapshot of ipxe
[21:55] <hallyn> :(
[21:55] <Daviey> does this impact you?
[21:55] <backburner> anyone using orchestra?
[21:55] <hallyn> Daviey:  it shouldn't  :)
[21:56] <hallyn> Daviey, you could add my debdiff into your merge...
[21:56] <Daviey> backburner: yes
[21:56] <Daviey> backburner: Ah, if you are using the default preseed; the username and password is both ubuntu.
[21:56] <Daviey> (secure eh?)
[21:56] <backburner> ahh thanks , will try that!
[21:57] <Daviey> rocking
[21:57] <Daviey> backburner: Things are changing for precise btw :)
[21:57] <hallyn> Daviey,what i was waiting on was lp:~serge-hallyn/ubuntu/precise/ipxe/kvm-pxe-in-ipxe/ merge
[21:58] <Daviey> hallyn: Mine can stack on yours, don't need to block on me
[21:58] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: btw.. is redhat-cluster seeded?
[21:58] <Daviey> (once freeze lifts)
[21:58] <hallyn> Daviey, it's a pretty superficial patch, go ahead and do it and i'll rebase
[21:59] <hallyn> Daviey, after this cycle, i think i want to spend some time pushing on getting it so UDD can be used reliably for qemu-kvm and libvirt
[21:59] <hallyn> cause if i could just stage fixes there i wouldn't have this problem
[22:00] <Daviey> hallyn: right, is UDD still broken for them?
[22:00] <hallyn> (pushing as in, trying ot understand th eproblem)
[22:00] <hallyn> yeah.  i thought it was supposed to be fixed, but doesn't appear to be
[22:00] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: redhat-cluster-suite is on server-ship
[22:00] <backburner> daviey where can you set the inital user/password?
[22:01] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: so I won't be able to mess with post the freeze?
[22:01] <hallyn> Most recent Ubuntu Precise version: 0.15.0+noroms-0ubuntu6
[22:01] <hallyn> Packaging branch version: 0.14.0+noroms-0ubuntu8
[22:01] <hallyn> Daviey, ^ :(
[22:01] <Daviey> backburner: try, /var/lib/cobbler/kickstarts/orchestra.preseed
[22:02] <Daviey> hallyn: :(
[22:02] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: zul I think we'll also need to add user/password fields for each system so that users can change them
[22:02] <ninjix> Daviey: that would be a nice new feature for the passwords
[22:03] <Daviey> hallyn: urgh, http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/qemu-kvm.html
[22:03] <Daviey> yep
[22:06] <ninjix> installing server via alternate using a giant monitor. Have to look away from the purple and orange every few minutes to color adjust my eyes? :)
[22:09] <ninjix> anyone experienced this before? it's quite a trip.
[22:09] <ninjix> whole room is purple :)
[22:10] <Daviey> heh
[22:11] <ninjix> coworkers keep coming over to see what's making all the light.
[22:16] <hallyn> wtf?  /usr is group writeable...
[22:43] <skaet> smoser, utlemming - what's the status with the cloud images for the release?
[22:44] <utlemming> skaet: I think they are good, but let me double check
[22:44] <utlemming> the testing only started a few hours ago
[22:44] <utlemming> (due to problems with IP addresses)
[22:44] <skaet> utlemming, thanks,  silence was starting to worry me.  :)
[22:49] <utlemming> skaet: looking good so far (https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Precise/job/precise-server-ec2/) there are still some tests to complete, but I'm not seeing anything that would preclude launching it
[22:49] <skaet> utlemming,  thanks.  :)
[23:04] <adam_g> zul: ping
[23:30] <zul> adam_g: whats up
[23:33] <adam_g> zul: hey
[23:34] <zul> adam_g: hilo
[23:34] <adam_g> zul:  i was lookin at glance wrt to bug 883988
[23:34] <zul> adam_g: ok
[23:35] <adam_g> zul: that predates me. :) where'd the logic around 'db_sync' come from?  the upstream packaging or us? i see the same thing in the nova packaging as well, and wonder what the reasoning is
[23:37] <zul> adam_g: upstream packaging im pretty sure
[23:38] <zul> it creates the database
[23:38] <adam_g> well
[23:38] <adam_g> it migrates the database, it doesn't create
[23:39] <adam_g> im curious to know the reason why it only attempts to do so for connections that are not sqlite
[23:40] <zul> adam_g: i think predates me as well :)
[23:40] <adam_g> ah
[23:40] <zul> since im not the one who wrote it
[23:43] <adam_g> zul: lp:~openstack-ubuntu-packagers is where all of that work has lived, right?
[23:43] <zul> right all the upstream stuff is there
[23:43] <zul> all the ubuntu stuff is at ubuntu-server-dev
[23:46] <adam_g> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~openstack-ubuntu-packagers/glance/ubuntu/revision/29


[00:36] <Fudge> yes please
[04:42] <Fudge> why is everyone so happy about the Mint images getting Orca, Mint is not that accessible
[09:31] <Fudge> wrong channel oops
[09:31] <Fudge> so still on the daily I get a busybox prompt, unable to find a filesystem I think the error is
[11:56] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all