[12:36] <krisx> jk no i love that ive converted to kubuntu gutsy
[12:38] <nosrednaekim> ya were scaring me there ;)
[12:39] <krisx> anyone have any tips on getting a 7600 gt going ive got clone running but my resolution is terribly at 800x600 any ideas
[12:39] <krisx> terrible
[12:39] <jhutchins> krisx: gutsy is @ #ubuntu+1
[12:40] <jhutchins> krisx: Is that an Nvidia graphics card?
[12:40] <krisx> ok ty ;)
[12:40] <krisx> yes it is
[12:41] <jhutchins> You will probably need the nvidia drivers.
[12:41] <jhutchins> !nvidia | krisx
[12:41] <ubotu> krisx: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:41] <krisx> yeah im using the glx new
[12:41] <krisx> ty
[12:42] <krisx> see if i can break it again
[12:43] <krisx> thanks folks
[12:43] <solarwaver> is anyone knows adivx player for linux?
[12:44] <runlevelten> mplayer
[12:44] <runlevelten> right. night all
[12:44] <solarwaver> a plyer that u can load subs i mean
[12:46] <drif> which driver would I use for radeon 9800 Pro (R350)?
[12:46] <solarwaver> vbgunz
[12:46] <solarwaver> can u help
[12:46] <solarwaver> ?
[12:47] <vbgunz> sorry :/
[12:47] <solarwaver> no i want a divx player that i can load subs
[12:47] <nosrednaekim> drif: for maximun performance... the fglrx one.
[12:48] <zipper> solarwaver, you can use vlc
[12:48] <drif> nosrednaekim: test gives me just grey & white raster...
[12:48] <solarwaver> zipper what is vlc
[12:48] <solarwaver> ?
[12:49] <BluesKaj> into video and never heard of VLC ?
[12:49] <nosrednaekim> drif: test?
[12:49] <solarwaver> no u can tell me?
[12:49] <drif> nosrednaekim: there's test-button
[12:49] <zipper> solarwaver, an application that can playback video
[12:49] <nosrednaekim> !vlc
[12:49] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[12:50] <solarwaver> yes i have 2 douzines but i can't load subs.
[12:50] <solarwaver> i ll try vlc
[12:50] <zipper> solarwaver, but besides, mplayer DOES, afaik, support subtitles
[12:50] <zipper> it's just easier in vlc
[12:50] <BluesKaj> VideoLan, http://www.videolan.org/
[12:50] <solarwaver> you cant load them with m player
[12:50] <fake> HHE
[12:51] <solarwaver> with vlc u can?
[12:51] <zipper> you might not be able to, but that doesnt mean it isnt possible
[12:51] <zipper> and yes, vlc can
[12:51] <fake> =X
[12:51] <fake> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[12:51] <fake> WY IM HR
[12:51] <fake> ?
[12:51] <fake> AAAAAAAA
[12:52] <zipper> ehrm, you might wanna see the doctor with that thing
[12:52] <nosrednaekim> drif:  in the monitor and settings thing? did you download the fglrx driver?
[12:52] <dthacker-lt> !offtopic | fake
[12:52] <ubotu> fake: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[12:53] <drif> nosrednaekim: actually not yet - the default one worked with my earlier radeon..9500pro I recall
[12:53] <nosrednaekim> drif: well if you test fglrx and haven't installed it yet.... of course it won't look right :)
[12:54] <drif> nosrednaekim: but I didn't need it earlier either - there must be some version as default on 7.04?
[12:54] <BluesKaj> drif, dunno if this will help , depends what you want to do , but this tutorial provides 3D and DRI for some games and video layered apps like Google Earth etc. : http://www.howforge.com/how-to-setup-fglrx-for-ubuntu-feisty
[12:54] <nosrednaekim> drif: what?
[12:55] <drif> BluesKaj: thanks
[12:55] <drif> BluesKaj: reason I'm asking here I don't have a browser at my disposal at the moment
[12:56] <skedar> hmm
[12:56] <skedar> o_o
[12:56] <BluesKaj> drif , just don't pay too much attn to the writer's xorg file cuz he uses alaptop and his configuration and modules and devices will be different of course
[12:57] <BluesKaj> konqueror not working ?
[01:01] <[ifr0g] > My internet speed simply reduced to half its orginal speed, How could i debug this ?
[01:04] <Biovore> [ifr0g] : DSL?
[01:04] <underdog5004> [ifr0g] , your isp may be throttling your bt downloads
[01:04] <[ifr0g] > Biovore, yes DSL.
[01:05] <Biovore> BT is very depending on the swarm.. speeds will very alot..
[01:06] <[ifr0g] > Biovore, i can understand.. BT but my youtube veoh and google videos stream half the speed..
[01:06] <[ifr0g] > But if i stream two at once i get the whole Bandwidth..
[01:06] <Biovore> ok.. If your on DSL that happens sometimes if the line degrades..
[01:06] <Biovore> I had those problems..
[01:06] <Biovore> Switched to cable
[01:06] <[ifr0g] > Biovore, so i have to wait and check later ?
[01:07] <Biovore> yup..  It outside of the house probably..
[01:07] <[ifr0g] > darn..
[01:07] <Biovore> Some DSL modems will tell you what they are running at..
[01:07] <[ifr0g] > It was fine till yesterday..
[01:07] <[ifr0g] > yes, i understand that.
[01:07] <Biovore> yup.. did it rain ?
[01:08] <[ifr0g] > Biovore, not, but i notices the cable tv was kinda distorted.
[01:08] <[ifr0g] > nope*
[01:08] <Biovore> well cable and the DSL are differnent systems..  So not sure whats up with that..
[01:09] <[ifr0g] > ok, i will try downloading some file..
[01:10] <Ch1ppy> hey, if I want to resize the ext3 partition I'm running right now, what's the best way?
[01:11] <BluesKaj> GParted Live CD , Ch1ppy
[01:11] <[ifr0g] > ok, i tried downloading google earth and i get around 50 kb / sec.. which 25 on youtube.. :(
[01:11] <Ch1ppy> mkay
[01:12] <[ifr0g] > Weird..
[01:12] <[ifr0g] > I even disabled ipv6
[01:12] <Biovore> if anything ipv6 would speed you up..
[01:13] <[ifr0g] > Biovore, but ipv6 according to ubuntu forums seem to speed the internet up
[01:13] <BluesKaj> a lotta sites aren't IPv6 enabled
[01:13] <[ifr0g] > i meant when disabled.
[01:13] <BluesKaj> hence =slow to load
[01:13] <Biovore> depends..
[01:13] <Biovore> I run ipv6 here..
[01:13] <pollo> alguien ke hable espaol
[01:14] <BluesKaj> !es | pollo
[01:14] <ubotu> pollo: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[01:14] <Biovore> If its setup.. and your ISP supports it.. it better.. more routes.
[01:14] <[ifr0g] > BluesKaj, I am not worried about the website loading as them seem to load fast. the problem is with file download, streaming... etc...
[01:14] <Biovore> but your application has to support IPV6 for it to mean anything..
[01:14] <BluesKaj> heh, i have no way of knowing if IPv6  is supported by my ISP
[01:15] <Biovore> Its probably not..
[01:15] <Biovore> Most datacenters have it..
[01:15] <zipper> Biovore, more routes? Why? Afaik, IPv4 can use IPv6 routers with a minor "hack" that makes the IPv6 routers invisible to the v4 clients
[01:15] <Biovore> true..
[01:15] <zipper> but still being able to use them
[01:15] <Biovore> but its a hack
[01:16] <BluesKaj> [ifr0g] , that has to do with the connections your DL client is amking and how you have it sertup
[01:16] <zipper> doesnt matter when it works, and it's being used does it?
[01:16] <Biovore> Using that IPv4 Ipv6 encapulation..
[01:16] <BluesKaj> making, setup
[01:16] <zipper> to be honest, it's the only thing to do. It's not like you're going to change the internet from v4 to v6 overnight
[01:16] <Biovore> yup..
[01:17] <[ifr0g] > BluesKaj, i have used wget firefox, both the same result. also couple of bandwidth tests seem to showhalf my speed.
[01:17] <Biovore> Right now Its ponds of IPv6 in a IPv4 world..
[01:17] <Biovore> Soon it will flip to the other way.. 5 years maybe..
[01:17] <zipper> it's always like that
[01:17] <zipper> just look at php for example
[01:17] <Biovore> yup.. I was like that for decnet..
[01:18] <[ifr0g] > BluesKaj, Do you know how to monitor where the problem is ? like from ping replays or dns checks ?
[01:18] <BluesKaj> [ifr0g] , maybe you should be thankful for small mercies...my ISP just shuts us down without any warning at all when thy do reapirs to the lines
[01:19] <[ifr0g] > BluesKaj, same here :D.. GOes like for 2 hrs or soo..
[01:19] <[ifr0g] > but likeonesin a week..
[01:19] <[ifr0g] > Never expireanced bandwidth drop untill today
[01:19] <zipper> [ifr0g] , you can always run a traceroute in order to find out where the problem lies
[01:20] <[ifr0g] > zipper, traceroute to what host ?
[01:20] <BluesKaj> forgotten , but I think there is a CLI command to check your internet speed
[01:20] <zipper> [ifr0g] , well, the host you're having trouble reaching i guess?
[01:20] <zipper> well, you can use iptraf in the console
[01:20] <zipper> to get detailed information
[01:20] <[ifr0g] > zipper, Problem is with the download speed not browsing ..
[01:21] <zipper> i didnt say anything about browsing? =/
[01:21] <[ifr0g] > well, the host you're having trouble reaching i guess?
[01:21] <[ifr0g] > ^^^
[01:22] <[ifr0g] > zipper, the trouble is with any download, plus streaming from youtube.
[01:23] <zipper> monitor the max bandwidth you can get from a couple of different servers
[01:23] <zipper> if it's not what you're paying for, talk to your ISP
[01:23] <zipper> it really doesnt matter if you find out where the problem is anyway. I mean you dont have access to fix it yourself anyway.
[01:24] <[ifr0g] > zipper, well, that right. But i was here to find out if the problem was with my system. if not.. it would make that call..
[01:25] <zipper> easiest and most secure way to make sure of that is simple
[01:25] <zipper> get another comp, and check bandwidth on the same connection
[01:26] <kazuma_> hello
[01:26] <kazuma_> how can i write in another partition?
[01:26] <ken_> kooonichiwah !
[01:26] <kazuma_> xD
[01:26] <ken_> did you mount it ?
[01:26] <kazuma_> yeah friend
[01:26] <kazuma_> they are visible
[01:26] <kazuma_> but i just can see what they have
[01:26] <[ifr0g] > zipper, :D.. Yes that was the last thing on my list ..
[01:26] <kazuma_> y can't write on them
[01:27] <ken_> you can mount partitions ro = readonly and rw read/write
[01:27] <zipper> [ifr0g] , should be the first
[01:27] <ken_> is ti NTFS your ooold windows partition ??
[01:27] <kazuma_> yeah xD
[01:27] <[ifr0g] > zipper, by the way iptraf is a neat little tool.
[01:27] <kazuma_> but i have two partitions
[01:28] <zipper> [ifr0g] , yeah, it actually is. I like it.
[01:28] <ken_> yes yes  try installing 3g-ntfs
[01:28] <ken_> sudo apt-get install 3g-ntfs
[01:28] <zipper> kazuma_, you do _not_ want to enable write access to a ntfs partition.
[01:28] <BluesKaj> ntfs-3g
[01:28] <ken_> yes he wants  ^_^
[01:28] <kazuma_> why
[01:28] <kazuma_> xD
[01:28] <zipper> kazuma_, it is, and always will be, dangerous and experimental. Continue at your own risk.
[01:28] <BluesKaj> and ntfs-config
[01:28] <kazuma_> i want to pass some things:P
[01:29] <BluesKaj> !ntfs
[01:29] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[01:29] <swhalen> Hello
[01:29] <ken_> ntfs-3g is no more beta anymore ...
[01:29] <[ifr0g] > zipper, BluesKaj, THanks for your time guys..
[01:29] <swhalen> anyone here use ccsm with kubuntu?
[01:29] <[ifr0g] > bbl
[01:29] <BluesKaj> hey NP [ifr0g]
[01:29] <zipper> ken_, that doesnt mean it's not risky or experimental
[01:29] <kazuma_> ok zipper
[01:29] <kazuma_> but can you tell me? :P
[01:29] <NickPresta> zipper, I undestand that there have been problems in the past but seriously, check the ntfs-3g homepage. They apply more wear and tear in one test than you would in a years worth of use. I think it's safe to at least suggest it...
[01:29] <knowledge25> hello: can anybody help me install looking glass ?
[01:30] <ken_> thx nick
[01:30] <BluesKaj> ntfs-3g and ntfs-config work is most cases
[01:30] <BluesKaj> in
[01:30] <kazuma_> so i have to install ntfs-3g?
[01:30] <ken_> itz as safe as chtting in the internet , bweare SOME might lsiten o.0
[01:30] <NickPresta> zipper, I mean, if http://www.ntfs-3g.com/quality.html doesn't convince you that it is safe for home use, then I don't know how you're ever going to access an NTFS partition. :)
[01:30] <ken_> if u wnt towrite on NTFS , yes
[01:30] <zipper> NickPresta, "safe" is being used too freely these days. As long as NTFS remains a closed filesystem, using it will always be experimental and dangerous. Sure, you can go pretty far with reverse-engineering, but that doesnt make it "safe"
[01:31] <BluesKaj> kazuma_, yes and ntfs-config is also recommended
[01:32] <BluesKaj> zipper, a word of caution is always in order , but let's not get too alarmist
[01:32] <kazuma_> o thanks
[01:32] <BluesKaj> :)
[01:32] <ken_> iam running torrents (maaany ) from my kubuntu , the data is written to my bigger NTFS partition iam going out on a limb here  =)
[01:32] <zipper> BluesKaj, i just fear one day that a new (k)ubuntu user is going to come inhere and blame us all for him losing all his data
[01:33] <knowledge25>  hello: can anybody help me install looking glass ?
[01:33] <Branden> after install how to i add the boot flag to a harddrive?
[01:33] <ken_> and we will convinve him , it was for a greter good lol
[01:33] <zipper> ken_, torrents usually isnt crucial data. I mean, it doesnt really matter if you have 5 or 10 gigs of pr0n. I was more thinking of backing up work files, family photos and such
[01:33] <NickPresta> knowledge25, http://www.sun.com/software/looking_glass/ ? That?
[01:34] <BluesKaj> zipper, it's already happened with other apps... what else is new ...ppl aren't perfect and make mistakes...even when given the best advice possible
[01:34] <zipper> i dont get this
[01:34] <zipper> you guys recommend NTFS-3g, but you almost banned me for recommending automatix
[01:35] <BluesKaj> big difference , zipper
[01:35] <Biovore> automatix breaks things..
[01:35] <Biovore> !automatix
[01:35] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[01:35] <BluesKaj> !automatix | zipper
[01:35] <ubotu> zipper: please see above
[01:35] <zipper> dude, i know
[01:35] <Biovore> :-P
[01:35] <BluesKaj> !ntfs-3g
[01:35] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions.  Always. So why not recommend them using automatix, and cross our fingers it works? Sure, it may brick their ubuntu installation, but to be honest, dont you think they would've managed to do that on their own anyway?
[01:38] <zipper> kazuma_, and in a week you can come crying about not taking backup, after you've lost all your data =)
[01:38] <ken_> ^.^
[01:38] <zipper> nah, j/k, i'm just being paranoid
[01:38] <ken_> ah come on
[01:38] <SlimeyPete> that's either extreme irony or extreme irresponsibility ;p
[01:38] <BluesKaj> zipper, believe us ...there are many voices of experience in that botb
[01:39] <zipper> SlimeyPete, me?
[01:39] <SlimeyPete> yes
[01:39] <SlimeyPete> :)
[01:39] <zipper> well, it's not irony, so take your pick
[01:39] <SlimeyPete> not much choice left :)
[01:40] <zipper> well, i didnt expect you to agree with me
[01:40] <zipper> but i'd rather go through the automatix sourcecode, seeing whats actually being done, than ask another newbie "What did you do?" just to get the regular "nothing..." answer
[01:42] <ken_> is the looking galss gyu still around ?
[01:43] <ken_> *glass guy
[01:43] <zipper> thought you were going to say "Gals"
[01:43] <zipper> we all know there are no female on the internet
[01:43] <zipper> whose names doesnt end in .jpg anyway
[01:43] <ken_> whats a female ?
[01:43] <Biovore> Is it a type of connector?
[01:43] <zipper> nevermind =)
[01:43] <zipper> Biovore, yeah... kind of
[01:44] <ken_> is think itz a kind of a demuxer
[01:44] <ken_> jsut more complex , but not THAT complex  ^.^
[01:44] <zipper> doesnt work like the regular kind though, they dont respond very well to electricity
[01:46] <BluesKaj> unless it vibrates and is self contained in a certain shape :)
[01:47] <Biovore> lol
[01:47] <zipper> hehe
[01:51] <ken_> Project Looking Glass ( promotion video on sun.com) -> 11/15/03 this thingy might be outdated i think , https://lg3d-core.dev.java.net/  <-  never seen such ugly eye candy
[01:54] <ken_> zzZzzz compizzZzzzz zzz ZZ z  g'nite
[01:56] <Sakkath_> how can i upgrade kubuntu i was trying to use https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades but it's for gnome so i don't have update-manager?
[02:01] <rosso_> you can install the update manager anyway ubuntu and Kubuntu use the same repositories
[02:02] <Sakkath_> rosso_: so that would be the solution? just install update-manager?
[02:02] <rosso_> as long as you dont get upset about a bit of gtk2 libaries
[02:02] <Sakkath_> its ok
[02:02] <rosso_> yep, if you have a how to that says to use the update manager, do so
[02:03] <Sakkath_> rosso_: yeah, it's on help.ubuntu.org. unless someway i can use the kde one, adept?
[02:03] <Cainus> hey... can anyone tell me how to get a better screen rez than kubuntu has defaulted to?  I know my card/monitor can do better
[02:03] <rosso_> be sure you have kubuntu-desktop installes...
[02:03] <rosso_> Cainus:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and follow instructions
[02:04] <rosso_> Sakkath_: yes or use the konsole sudo apt-get install update-manager
[02:04] <Sakkath_> rosso_: was that directed to me? the kubuntu-desktop?
[02:05] <rosso_> Sakkath_: yes i remember that was of importance
[02:05] <Cainus> rosso_: thanks... looking into it
[02:05] <Sakkath_> rosso_: should i do that now?
[02:05] <rosso_> Cainus: it will make a backup of you old xorg.conf as fas as i remember
[02:06] <rosso_> Sakkath_: well, whenever you feel like
[02:06] <Sakkath_> rosso_: would it matter much?
[02:07] <rosso_> Sakkath_: the missing kubuntu-desktop package? i guess, at least i have something in mind that it is of importance to have that package installed while upgrade
[02:07] <rosso_> it is installed by default anyway
[02:08] <Sakkath_> rosso_: well i would think once it's done the updater thingie will find the new version if it exists, it's def. installed atm since i'm on kubuntu
[02:08] <Sakkath_> oh
[02:08] <Sakkath_> erm
[02:08] <Sakkath_> nvm
[02:08] <Sakkath_> oh not nvm >.>
[02:09] <Cainus> rosso_: is there a nice safe easy way to restart x after to try the new config?
[02:09] <rosso_> well, yes update-manager ill find the new version, get new sources.list and upgrade
[02:10] <Sakkath_> ctrl+alt+backspace is safe
[02:10] <rosso_> yes
[02:10] <Sakkath_> or using the initscript
[02:10] <Sakkath_> the former is easier
[02:11] <Sakkath_> can't find DistUpgradeViewGtk
[02:15] <flaccid> !lts
[02:15] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[02:16] <flaccid> when is next LTS version?
[02:16] <Sakkath_> rosso_: it's failing with that error
[02:17] <rosso_> Sakkath_: else go the kosole way...change your /etc/apt/sources.list. change all "edgy" to "feisty". run: sudo apt-get clean followed by sudo apt-get update, followed by sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade another time and try it even a third time, till theres nothing left to upgrade
[02:17] <rosso_> and thats it
[02:17] <Sakkath_> rosso_: yeah, i can do that; teh guide offers that as an other option.. 'not recommended' though but i can do that
[02:18] <zipper> rosso_, running apt-get dist-upgrade multiple times doesnt make much sense. One should be enough.
[02:18] <flaccid> sometimes one aint enough heh
[02:18] <Sakkath_> i'm on 6.06 i got a few versions to upgrade to ;P
[02:18] <rosso_> if there should be any errors you might be able to fix it with sudo apt-get -f install or sudo dpkg --configure -a
[02:19] <rosso_> zipper: actually the system isnt fully upgraded after having it run only one time. dont ask me why, its just like that
[02:19] <rosso_> zipper: insert "sometimes" into my last post
[02:19] <zipper> i would in fact like to ask you about that, since i dont believe it
[02:20] <Sakkath_> can i tell what apt-get install update-manager also installed?
[02:20] <Sakkath_> I guess I don't need it since it doesn't work and I'll just use the apt-get method.
[02:20] <rosso_> zipper: well, than just dont believe it. i dont believe in god you dont believe in doing dist-upgrade a second time
[02:20] <Sakkath_> I don't believe in god either
[02:20] <Sakkath_> :P
[02:20] <zipper> god doesnt have an open and freely available sourcecode where you can check for sure
[02:21] <flaccid> i believe in dog, as in k9, same thing?
[02:21] <level1_> !aptfix
[02:21] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[02:21] <Sakkath_> 'cause he don't exist ;D
[02:21] <flaccid> :p
[02:21] <Sakkath_> level1_: that wasn't directed to anyone, was it?
[02:21] <level1_> Sakkath_: yeah, me
[02:21] <Sakkath_> level1_: ok, just checking
[02:21] <Sakkath_> Hey, what does an insomniac agnostic dyslexic do?
[02:22] <rosso_> zipper:  good point, i saw it....ive seen it happen. od did speak to me
[02:22] <level1_> Sakkath_: how does that happen?  I don't remember crashing apt before
[02:22] <level1_> Sakkath_: stay up all night wondering if there is a dog?
[02:22] <Sakkath_> level1_: yeah
[02:22] <Sakkath_> haha
[02:22] <level1_> Sakkath_: I'm agnostic and the joke offends me :)
[02:23] <Sakkath_> I'm atheist and I find it funny.  Jokes always offend at least *someone* "learn to take a joke" </cliche>
[02:23] <flaccid> its funny when people get offensive about something that doesn't even exist
[02:23] <Sakkath_> flaccid: *hi-five!!*
[02:24] <flaccid> *hi five!*
[02:24] <Sakkath_> :D
[02:24] <flaccid> (borat stylez)
[02:24] <Sakkath_> ewww
[02:24] <Sakkath_> OK I guess..
[02:24] <level1_> flaccid: but I keep telling mac users that their OS has no utility
[02:24] <Sakkath_> utility for what lol
[02:24] <flaccid> mac has much utilities
[02:24] <level1_> flaccid: they get offended over something that doesn't exsist
[02:24] <Sakkath_> level1_: maybe you're not root? maybe another user or a program is using apt-get?
[02:25] <level1_> Sakkath_: no, and no
[02:25] <flaccid> mac os x has lots of utils wtf
[02:25] <Sakkath_> level1_: maybe a ghost process? :S
[02:25] <flaccid> level1_: can you be specific
[02:25] <level1_> well, if there is another program running, I don't know how it got there
[02:25] <Sakkath_> some kind of updater?
[02:25] <Sakkath_> idk ;x
[02:25] <level1_> flaccid: I'm kidding... mac is a nice computer, I don't like the interface very much
[02:25] <flaccid> ah rightio
[02:26] <level1_> just my opinion
[02:26] <flaccid> fink is good
[02:26] <Sakkath_> fink?
[02:26] <flaccid> its just the closed sourceness of components of os x base that suck
[02:26] <flaccid> yeah
[02:26] <flaccid> like fink update/commander
[02:26] <Sakkath_> err.. i ran apt-get install kubuntu-desktop so now all i have to do is edit sources.list from dapper to edgy?
[02:26] <Sakkath_> and apt said kubuntu-desktop is its latest vesion
[02:26] <flaccid> for upgrade yeah
[02:26] <Sakkath_> i guess adept did that for me
[02:27] <flaccid> kubuntu-desktop is only a meta package
[02:27] <rosso_> zipper: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgradesManual
[02:27] <flaccid> remove it and add it again for latest packs..
[02:27] <Sakkath_> oh
[02:27] <Sakkath_> ok
[02:27] <rosso_> "NOTE: The first run of dist-upgrade will upgrade everything except for upstart. After this a second dist-upgrade will finish the upgrade."
[02:27] <zipper> "NOTE: The first run of dist-upgrade will upgrade everything except for upstart. After this a second dist-upgrade will finish the upgrade."
[02:27] <flaccid> usually after dist-uprade you do a reinstall/install of ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-minimal to ensure you have all the packs in those meta packs
[02:27] <Sakkath_> ahaha
[02:27] <zipper> what exactly do the person who wrote that mean?
[02:27] <Sakkath_> zipper: it's funny that you said that same time rosso_ did?
[02:28] <flaccid> !info upstart
[02:28] <ubotu> upstart: event-based init daemon. In component main, is required. Version 0.3.8-1 (feisty), package size 155 kB, installed size 316 kB
[02:28] <Sakkath_> flaccid: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades so that guide is completely wrong?
[02:28] <Sakkath_> i can't use the update-manager metod
[02:28] <Sakkath_> flaccid: thanks
[02:28] <zipper> but
[02:28] <zipper> upstart _should_ be affected by the first dist-upgrade afaik?
[02:29] <flaccid> that guide should be fine
[02:29] <Sakkath_> flaccid: it doesn't mention dist-upgrade anywhere
[02:29] <rosso_> zipper: should but isnt as it seems...ask mark shuttleworth, dunno
[02:29] <flaccid> but in theory you should be able to dist-upgrade and not upgrade
[02:29] <zipper> probably is, its just the multiple dist-upgrades that makes me wonder
[02:29] <Sakkath_> flaccid: nor does it mention removing kubuntu-desktop or ubuntu-minimal/standard
[02:29] <flaccid> it does it in step 5...
[02:29] <Tabmow> how do i set adept to use a proxy server when downloading packages, or using apt-get?
[02:29] <Sakkath_> they have youdo dist-upgrade at the end
[02:30] <flaccid> Sakkath_: upgrades are rarely smooth.. thats why you remove and add again to be sure. removing a meta package doesn't remove any packages...
[02:30] <Sakkath_> flaccid: i removed kubuntu-desktop and nothing else was removed
[02:30] <flaccid> but yeah that guide is fine
[02:30] <flaccid> it will do whats required
[02:30] <Sakkath_> flaccid: ok..
[02:30] <flaccid> tahts right
[02:30] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu really needs to get on a rolling upgrade program
[02:30] <Sakkath_> i guess adept did it for me earlier than
[02:31] <flaccid> its in the case where you had problems with packs, had to do something manual due to a conflict or something then you re-add those two meta packages to make sure you didn't miss any crucial packs
[02:31] <rosso_> the update-manager worked fine for me un kubuntu
[02:31] <Sakkath_> rosso_: it crashes with a weird error
[02:32] <flaccid> updates are smoother if you didn't add *any* extra packages after initial install. i usually had at least a few hundred more so upgrading for me is usually a chore.
[02:32] <flaccid> had=add
[02:32] <rosso_> but now i think i remember....it is called with when done via sudo which is not available on  kubuntu so i started it with kdesu probably
[02:32] <Sakkath_> can't find DistUpgradeViewGtk
[02:32] <flaccid> wtf
[02:32] <Sakkath_> rosso_: sudo is of course available, it says to use gksu, so i used kdesu instead
[02:32] <flaccid> what says that Sakkath_
[02:33] <Sakkath_> rosso_: that's the error btw
[02:33] <Sakkath_> flaccid: when i tried to use update-manager to do this
[02:33] <Sakkath_> E: Package kubuntu-desktop has no installation candidate
[02:33] <Sakkath_> err
[02:33] <flaccid> i would try adept if anything - you probably don't have a gnome/gtk dep for it
[02:33] <Sakkath_> flaccid: i'm not sure how to use that to do a dist upgrade
[02:34] <rosso_> Sakkath_: i see...yes that i wa thinking too, missing gtk libs...maybe had them installed coincedentally
[02:34] <Sakkath_> well why wouldn't it have done the deps itself
[02:34] <flaccid> Sakkath_: just use apt-get
[02:34] <Sakkath_> and wtf why can't i get kubuntu-desktop back
[02:34] <flaccid> i would never use a gui frontend to do an upgrade
[02:34] <rosso_> Sakkath_: chance sources lists open adept fetch updates fullupgrade
[02:34] <rosso_> and
[02:34] <rosso_> full upgrade second time lol
[02:34] <Dave__> help, i set my monitor settings to the monitor ihave and now it comes up to a grey screen
[02:35] <flaccid> yeah apt-get update then see if the pkg is available
[02:35] <flaccid> !info kubuntu-desktop
[02:35] <ubotu> kubuntu-desktop: Kubuntu desktop system. In component main, is optional. Version 1.32ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 15 kB, installed size 44 kB
[02:35] <flaccid> its in main
[02:35] <Dave__> yes
[02:36] <rosso_> Dave__: start in text mode and run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:36] <rosso_> or
[02:36] <hitmanWilly> Dave__, is it a grey screen with a big black X or just completely blank?
[02:36] <Dave__> just completely black
[02:37] <hitmanWilly> Dave__, ok, do the reconfigure thing then
[02:37] <Dave__> ok thanks
[02:38] <doug_> would it be advisable to install ati drivers from their website?
[02:38] <Dragnslcr> Anyone know offhand if the PCSX package works on its own or if it needs the same BIOS image that the Windows version used to require?
[02:38] <hitmanWilly> doug_, no
[02:39] <hitmanWilly> !ati | doug
[02:39] <ubotu> doug: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:39] <Sakkath_> ill brb >..
[02:40] <alirio> buenas
[02:40] <alirio> tengo una pregunta
[02:40] <NickPresta> !es | alirio
[02:40] <ubotu> alirio: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[02:41] <alirio> ok
[02:41] <Dave__> it says x-server is not installed
[02:41] <rosso_> Dave__: plese copy the line you entered
[02:42] <hitmanWilly> Dave__, the pkg is xserver-xorg
[02:42] <flaccid> is that from sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:42] <Sakkath_> so how do i install kubuntu-dekstop?
[02:42] <Sakkath_> desktop
[02:43] <flaccid> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:43] <flaccid> in your case sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop will work if your sources.list is correct
[02:43] <Dave__> i typed rossos line above
[02:43] <Sakkath_> flaccid: i still get that thingie
[02:43] <flaccid> sources is wrong then
[02:43] <alirio> i have  aquestion
[02:44] <rosso_> Dave__: please copy it here to make sure theres no typo
[02:44] <Sakkath_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:44] <Sakkath_>   kubuntu-desktop: Depends: hwdb-client-kde but it is not going to be installed
[02:44] <Sakkath_>                    Depends: xorg but it is not going to be installed
[02:44] <Sakkath_> E: Broken packages
[02:44] <Sakkath_> great
[02:44] <Dave__> im on windows
[02:44] <flaccid> !pastebin > Sakkath_
[02:44] <Sakkath_> yeah.. sorry..
[02:44] <rosso_> Dave__: ????????
[02:44] <flaccid> Sakkath_: i would re-generate your sources.list first
[02:45] <flaccid> !source-o-matic > Sakkath_
[02:45] <Dave__> ill try it again
[02:45] <flaccid> !info hwdb-client-kde
[02:45] <ubotu> hwdb-client-kde: KDE client program for the Ubuntu Hardware Database. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS> (feisty), package size 310 kB, installed size 476 kB
[02:45] <alirio> are there some problem if i update kubuntu  6.06.1 since alternate cd
[02:45] <alirio> ??
[02:45] <Sakkath_> stop pm lol
[02:45] <flaccid> that pack is in main
[02:45] <flaccid> ok
[02:45] <flaccid> i'll just spam the chan instead
[02:46] <Sakkath_> flaccid: ty ;P it's just a one-liner. anyways uh, you want me to set it to edgy, the one i am upgrading to, right?
[02:46] <alirio> right
[02:46] <rosso_> Sakkath_: youre upgrading to edgy?
[02:47] <Dave__> i typed"sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[02:47] <hitmanWilly> rosso_, he's upgrading from 6.06 to feisty
[02:47] <Sakkath_> rosso_: yes, i'm on 6.06 and i think i have to go to 6.10 before anything right?
[02:47] <alirio> no i want upgrade to kubuntu feisty fawn
[02:47] <flaccid> Sakkath_: yep
[02:47] <flaccid> don't you want to upgrade to feisty.. set your sources to what you are dist-upgrading to
[02:47] <hitmanWilly> Dave__, it said not installed again?
[02:47] <Dave__> yes
[02:48] <flaccid> you can upgrade from dapper to feisty - it may not be as smooth however
[02:48] <rosso_> Sakkath_: as soon as your package dependencies are messed DONT upgrade
[02:48] <Sakkath_> flaccid: well i wanna go to the latest ver
[02:48] <Sakkath_> i need to go to edgy first no?
[02:48] <flaccid> ok latest is feisty
[02:48] <Sakkath_> then feisty
[02:48] <hitmanWilly> Dave__, ok, sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[02:48] <alirio> but are ther eany problem if i upgrade <IP_ADDRESS> to 6.10
[02:48] <rosso_> Sakkath_: no first to edgy
[02:48] <flaccid> you don't need to, but it may be easier/less problems
[02:48] <Dave__> ok
[02:49] <Sakkath_> 20:48 < Sakkath_> i need to go to edgy first no?
[02:49] <Sakkath_> 20:48 < flaccid> ok latest is feisty
[02:49] <Sakkath_> 20:48 < Sakkath_> then feisty
[02:49] <flaccid> i've upgraded from dapper to feisty before
[02:49] <Sakkath_> minus your line :P
[02:49] <flaccid> you can go from dapper to gutsy if you really wanted
[02:49] <Sakkath_> so i set sources.list to edgy then try to upgrade right?
[02:49] <alirio> and had some problem
[02:49] <alirio> ?
[02:49] <flaccid> but gutsy is not production
[02:49] <hitmanWilly> flaccid, there's some broken deps for ya :P
[02:49] <flaccid> i can fix broken deps heh
[02:49] <flaccid> you can go to edgy then to feisty or straight to feisty, your choice
[02:50] <Dave__> says couldnt find package
[02:50] <Sakkath_> flaccid: dont wanna chance anythin
[02:50] <hitmanWilly> !info xorg
[02:50] <ubotu> xorg: X.Org X Window System. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.2-0ubuntu11 (feisty), package size 25 kB, installed size 52 kB
[02:50] <rosso_> Sakkath_: run apt-get build-dep for a try
[02:50] <rosso_> before changing sources.list
[02:50] <hitmanWilly> Dave__, ok, sudo apt-get install xorg
[02:50] <Dave__> ok
[02:51] <flaccid> Sakkath_: you are chancing no matter how you upgrade....
[02:51] <alirio> i have  a alternet cd of 6.10 but i had read to some problems after of upgrade for example dont internet function and oters
[02:51] <Sakkath_> flaccid: err. ok. 'don't want to have an even greater risk' i dont know lol
[02:52] <flaccid> do to edgy then to feisty then. but thats double the d/l and double the time... up to you
[02:52] <alirio> better is clean install??
[02:52] <Sakkath_> we need 'nopaste' the gentoo nopaste ruby script in the packages i love that tool
[02:52] <flaccid> put it this way, i've never done an upgrade on ubuntu that hasn't had problems i've had to fix manual
[02:52] <flaccid> clean install will always be better, but you should not have to do that
[02:53] <alirio> why
[02:53] <alirio> ?
[02:53] <rosso_> alirio: no upgrade is fine, you should be more precise about the errors tat occured in case you want someone to be able to help you
[02:53] <hitmanWilly> alirio, the best way ive always found is to have /home on a seperate partition and clean install, at least on buntu boxes
[02:53] <flaccid> because its clean
[02:53] <Sakkath_> flaccid: http://rafb.net/p/G37I5G31.html
[02:53] <Sakkath_> rosso_: rather, that as to you, you otld me to do build-dep
[02:53] <Sakkath_> :\
[02:54] <alirio> ok
[02:54] <flaccid> i didn't suggest that command, Sakkath_. but it doesn't look like your sources.list is healthy...
[02:54] <flaccid> pastebin sources.list Sakkath_
[02:54] <rosso_> You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
[02:54] <Sakkath_> flaccid: rosso_ suggested build-dep
[02:54] <rosso_> Sakkath_: for christs sake read what the konsole tells you
[02:54] <flaccid> it doesn't matter Sakkath_... fix the sources.list
[02:54] <flaccid> read what it says lol
[02:55] <alirio> for exmaple dont internet function or some programs dont function after upgrade
[02:55] <Sakkath_> god is there anything like nopaste script for gentoo
[02:55] <Sakkath_> rosso_: i had used the source-o-matic or whatever
[02:56] <rosso_> Sakkath_: well, just make it work. theres a dozen web pages you can copy paste a clean source list from
[02:56] <Sakkath_> flaccid: there ya go http://rafb.net/p/3FBq6z52.html
[02:56] <Dave__> grrr...it forced a autocheck
[02:57] <flaccid> i gtg
[02:59] <rosso_> Sakkath_: ok. make a source list for you CURRENT version. apt-get update and upgrade and see if it brings any errors
[02:59] <Sakkath_> rosso_: ok
[03:00] <rosso_> Sakkath_: then just TRY to install kubuntu-dektop, it PROPABLY will tell you its already installed. then just follow instructions on the link ive posted above in case apt-get gives no error messages
[03:01] <Sakkath_> rosso_: i had removed kubuntu-desktop since flaccid or you told me i should uninstall then install
[03:01] <Sakkath_> so let's see.
[03:01] <rosso_> Sakkath_: not me for sure ...
[03:01] <Sakkath_> ok it installed this time
[03:01] <Sakkath_> kubuntu-desktop installed fine
[03:02] <Sakkath_> rosso_: you wanted me to update and 'upgrade'
[03:02] <Sakkath_> did you mean dist-upgrade?
[03:02] <rosso_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgradesManual
[03:03] <Sakkath_> rosso_: don't i want to upgrade to edgy before feisty?
[03:04] <rosso_>   sudo sed -e 's/\dapper/ edgy/g' -i /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:04] <rosso_> to change source list
[03:04] <rosso_> than do update
[03:04] <rosso_> than dist-upgrade (two times)
[03:06] <rosso_> Sakkath_: basically this routine works for all upgrades. if something should be weird. you might fiy it with the standart apt-get tools. man apt-get tells you a lot about that. i gotta go. nite
[03:06] <Sakkath_> rosso_: good night, ty buddy
[03:07] <smile> ?
[03:07] <smile>
[03:07] <Sakkath_> O_o
[03:07] <Sakkath_> i didn't know this suppored that
[03:07] <Sakkath_> lol
[03:07] <smile> chinese.........
[03:07] <Sakkath_> ya
[03:07] <Sakkath_> what does it say? ;X
[03:08] <Dragnslcr> !cn
[03:08] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[03:08] <smile> thank you...
[03:08] <Dave__> i got it.. thanks everybody
[03:09] <smile> Sakkath form  ?
[03:10] <Sakkath_> smile: what are you talking about?
[03:10] <alirio> l
[03:10] <Sakkath_> l
[03:10] <smile> @_@
[03:12] <smile>
[03:12] <smile>
[03:14] <NickPresta> !cn | smile
[03:14] <ubotu> smile: For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[03:14] <smile> hi~
[03:15] <smile> thank you, ubotu
[03:15] <smile>
[03:15] <smile>  D
[03:16] <NickPresta> smile, this is the English Kubuntu support channel.
[03:16] <smile>
[03:20] <Sakkath_> smile: what's with you
[03:20] <smile> NickPresta, Thank you,tell me.....
[03:20] <Sakkath_> um
[03:20] <NickPresta> sigh
[03:20] <Sakkath_> ...
[03:20] <Sakkath_> NickPresta: troll/
[03:21] <Sakkath_> ?*
[03:21] <NickPresta> I don't know. He has typed with chinese characters so I would imagine this person legitimately wants helps, but who knows. It isn't hard to bring up a character table...
[03:21] <smile> i am , bad english ........   -____________-!
[03:22] <Sakkath_> smile: so join #ubuntu-cn
[03:22] <NickPresta> smile, type: /join #ubuntu-cn
[03:22] <smile> i down...
[03:22] <smile> Thank you..
[03:22] <Sakkath_> NickPresta: but he said thank you twice for giving him the right channel
[03:22] <Sakkath_> NickPresta: then he just keeps asking weird stuff, he said to me Sakkath: form?
[03:26] <smile> form =
[03:26] <smile> Where you from?
[03:26] <smile> form ..
[03:27] <NickPresta> !cn | smile
[03:27] <ubotu> smile: For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[03:27] <Sakkath_> smile: USA
[03:28] <smile> in china
[03:28] <Sakkath_> yes
[03:29] <smile> china , HuBei, WuHan
[03:29] <smile> I would like to share with you, but language is a barrier, we think that I need help, is not, thank you for the kindness
[03:30] <Sakkath_> i'm assuming he's using a cheap translater
[03:30] <smile> This is the translation software translation, we can read?
[03:30] <Sakkath_> :S
[03:30] <Sakkath_> smile: have you tried #ubuntu-cn
[03:30] <dwidmann> Sakkath: I think that was a yes.
[03:30] <Sakkath_> dwidmann: yeah lol
[03:32] <dwidmann> I'm beginning to think that I need(want) a kvm.
[03:32] <smile>
[03:32] <smile> I know that the Chinese community, and I just want to share that
[03:33] <Sakkath_> dwidmann: heh, they sure are useful
[03:33] <Sakkath_> smile: do you need help?
[03:33] <smile>
[03:33] <smile> You are from which country?
[03:33] <smile> yes
[03:34] <smile> no..
[03:34] <smile> no.
[03:34] <Sakkath_> I am from USA
[03:34] <smile> no help
[03:34] <smile> : D
[03:34] <dwidmann> I'm also from the Beurocratic States of America :\
[03:34] <Sakkath_> Ok
[03:34] <Sakkath_> dwidmann: ?
[03:35] <dwidmann> The more I read about our countries state of affairs the more I'm bothered by it :\ Nevermind.
[03:35] <smile>
[03:35] <smile> You know very pleased
[03:35] <Sakkath_> dwidmann: me too. i'm off to canada when i'm old enough
[03:36] <smile>
[03:36] <smile> How old are you?
[03:37] <smile> : D
[03:37] <newzen> hi all, how can i see tv that requiere window media player??
[03:37] <smile> i am 26,
[03:38] <dwidmann> newzen: will vlc play it? how about mplayer? Worth a try
[03:38] <smile>
[03:38] <Sakkath_> I am 16.
[03:39] <smile> Sakkath ,,
[03:39] <newzen> im going to try, but one by default is there on a brand new install??
[03:40] <smile>
[03:40] <smile> Here is the place to learn Ubuntu?
[03:40] <nosrednaekim> smile: this is the kubuntu support channel
 I'm also from the Beurocratic States of America :\
[03:40] <nosrednaekim> where users ask questions.
[03:40] <smile>
[03:40] <zipper> name me one country from the 1st world that isnt beucratic =S
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> zipper: where the education is so bad, people can't spell beaurocratic.
[03:41] <smile>
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> :)
[03:41] <zipper> nosrednaekim, also, name me a country where anyone would care about that
[03:41] <newzen> smile: is not good etiquette write in other language
[03:41] <Chippy> hey, does someone want to help me out with resizing a partition?
[03:41] <smile> Sattath ,You are a legend in computer genius?
[03:41] <zipper> nosrednaekim, you're just playing mr. fancypants cus' you use xchat's dictionary =)
[03:42] <nosrednaekim> zipper: nope.. using konversation here without spell checking :)
[03:42] <nosrednaekim> Chippy: sure.. what do you want to do?
[03:42] <zipper> heh, i use xchat, i just dont care too much about those red lines under every word =P
[03:42] <Chippy> nosrednaekim: well I have a bunch of free space before my partition, and I want to use it
[03:43] <zipper> everyone online is so horrible at typing a proper sentence anyway, so i stand out as a perfectionist anyway =P
[03:43] <nosrednaekim> Chippy: was this old windows space or something?
[03:43] <nosrednaekim> zipper: I know..  Being horrible is "Can sum1 help me pleezorz?!?!!!!111"
[03:44] <Chippy> nosrednaekim: done it before
[03:45] <BluesKaj> bureaucratic ?  .. nosrednaekim :)
[03:45] <Chippy> nosrednaekim: why can't I do it?
[03:45] <nosrednaekim> zipper: no,i'm like "gop to the enf of the line edit prefernces"
[03:45] <zipper> lol
[03:45] <zipper> it's "bureaucratic" actually
[03:45] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: AHHHH!
[03:45] <zipper> not "beaurocratic" as you said =S
[03:45] <nosrednaekim> see what I said about our education?
[03:46] <smile>
[03:46] <zipper> heh
[03:46] <smile>
[03:46] <zipper> i wouldn't take an education that focused on me spelling "bureaucratic" correct
[03:46] <smile>
[03:46] <Chippy> so no ideas on the partition?
[03:46] <zipper> smile, we do not understand you
[03:47] <zipper> or at least, i dont
[03:47] <nosrednaekim> !partitions
[03:47] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[03:48] <BluesKaj> yup, wifey is a retired teacher ...the cirriculum was toyally devastated by the silly bureaucrats in the dept of education back in the 70s and made it almost impossible for "english" to have any respect or stature in the system after that
[03:48] <nosrednaekim> Chippy: depending on the amount of space you can muster, you can torn it into your /home folder
[03:48] <nosrednaekim> zipper: lol
[03:48] <Chippy> nosrednaekim: ...I've resized my root partition before, never had any problems...
[03:48] <sheldonc> why does kubuntu have wickedly different branding?
[03:49] <nosrednaekim> Chippy: but no doubt you have either added to the end of it, or made it smaller
[03:49] <nosrednaekim> sheldonc: like it?
[03:49] <zipper> BluesKaj, hmm? I would say english has very much respect and stature. It's far from being the mostly spoken language and still, it's a de facto standard in the IT business
[03:49] <smile>
[03:49] <smile> We Manmanliao, I first, the wait for the next return, my translation software is not bad. . Oh
[03:50] <smile>
[03:50] <smile> We continue to chat, I first, the wait for the next return, my translation software is not bad. . Oh
[03:50] <smile> : D
[03:50] <sheldonc> nosrednaekim: not really, i find it kind of distracting
[03:50] <Chippy> nosrednaekim: nope, last time I did it I actually made my windows partition (first partition) smaller, moved my swap partition to the end (from the middle) and moved my main partition backwards and resized it
[03:50] <BluesKaj> well in Ontario, grammar and spelling are fianlly getting some much needed attention again
[03:50] <nosrednaekim> sheldonc: yeah I don't like the default either.so I made it look like Vista..lol
[03:50] <zipper> not saying your translation software is bad smile, it just... makes wierd sentences sometimes, making it hard for us to understand what you want
[03:50] <BluesKaj> oops finally
[03:50] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: I can tell ;)
[03:51] <Chippy> BluesKaj: I find your typo ironic and humorous
[03:51] <zipper> BluesKaj, i have no idea where or what Ontario is to be honest
[03:51] <sheldonc> nosrednaekim: me too! i made my kicker have a vista taskbar bg too :)
[03:51] <nosrednaekim> and there were SEVERAL grammar errors in that sentence as well
[03:52] <nosrednaekim> Chippy: well cool.. i didn't think you could do that :)
[03:52] <BluesKaj> it's meant to be ...I'm old and grumpy ..a little humour ...and see geography is lacking in other places as well :)
[03:52] <zipper> nosrednaekim, there always is. Have you ever tried reading something that was 100% proper grammar usage?  I feel your pain
[03:53] <Chippy> zipper: where do you live?
[03:54] <zipper> smile, we're happy to have you here
[03:54] <smile> zipper,
[03:54] <smile>
[03:54] <smile> You are a warm person,
[03:54] <zipper> Chippy, denmark... small country in scandinavia, europe. Right on top of germany
[03:54] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, those who count do ...we Canadians do :)
[03:54] <Chippy> zipper: what's Germany?
[03:54] <Chippy> zipper: and where?
[03:54] <zipper> you know... nazi's?
[03:54] <zipper> =P
[03:54] <Chippy> zipper: nope, they were 5,000km away
[03:55] <smile>
[03:55] <smile> Friendly people
[03:55] <Chippy> zipper: I guess I can be excused.
[03:55] <zipper> pfff
[03:55] <zipper> okay
[03:55] <Chippy> zipper: :)
[03:55] <BluesKaj> <---born in Finland to Swedish ancestry ...moved to Canada 60 yrs ago
[03:55] <zipper> then i expect you to know rhus as well
[03:55] <zipper> one of the largest cities in denmark, you must know of it =P
[03:56] <BluesKaj> my grandmother was danish , from copenhagen :)
[03:56] <Chippy> zipper: I hope you get that I was making a point
[03:56] <zipper> BluesKaj, sure... once ice-country can be as good as the next one i guess
[03:56] <zipper> Chippy, i do, just being silly
[03:56] <Chippy> zipper: ah, good.   ITS CRASHING WHEN I HIT CERTAIN KEY COMBINATIONS!
[03:57] <Chippy> nosrednaekim: hit it more, it'll fix itself sooner or later
[03:57] <nosrednaekim> CTRL+ALT+DEL for instance
[03:57] <zipper> Chippy, hehe, i know i'm not making it easier. I should really get to bed... have a nasty habit of going mental in the wee hours
[03:57] <Chippy> nosrednaekim: hm, try ctrl+alt+backspace :)
[03:58] <Chippy> nosrednaekim: if that doesn't work, type that remove command with the recursive and force options on the root folder
[03:58] <nosrednaekim> haha ever heard the story of the idot hacker? I'll tell it over on #kubuntu-offtopic
[03:58] <Chippy> nosrednaekim: (I think it's a bad idea to actually post the command anywhere)
[03:58] <nosrednaekim> its actually not allowed
[03:59] <Chippy> nosrednaekim: bash ;)
[03:59] <Chippy> anyways, I be off
[03:59] <Chippy> cheers
[03:59] <zipper> heh
[03:59] <zipper> rm -rf........ reminds me of something i did once.  I was typing it into #kubuntu-devel
[04:01] <nosrednaekim> I mixed up channels
[04:01] <nosrednaekim> :(
[04:01] <zipper> =)
[04:02] <zipper> well i hope they appreciated it
[04:03] <smile> goodbye....zipper !
[04:04] <zipper> cya
[04:04] <smkn> alooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:04] <zipper> hope we helped you somehow =P
[04:06] <nosrednaekim> hello
[04:06] <smile> hi.........
[04:06] <smile> :  D
[04:09] <BluesKaj> hey NickPresta., some ppl here are so well educated in linux they have no time for geography and don't care ... especially about Ontario. I'll give 1 guess where they reside. :)
[04:11] <zipper> BluesKaj, let me guess... they live in Ontario?
[04:11] <Sakkath_> smile: no, i'm not great with computers, but i'm good i guess
[04:12] <bryce_> Good evening folks!
[04:12] <BluesKaj> hey bryce_ . you in BC ?
[04:12] <bryce_> BluesKaj: Hello again... nope, from Grande Prairie, Alberta.
[04:13] <bryce_> BluesKaj: you know much about external hard drives connected thru a USB?
[04:13] <BluesKaj> aha , the province that has to pay americans to deliver babies :)
[04:13] <bryce_> lol Smart ass, you
[04:13] <BluesKaj> hehe
[04:13] <bryce_> .... you are the second to say that to me :P
[04:13] <smile>   =  Good morning, everyone!
[04:13] <BluesKaj> 200K for that ...unreal
[04:14] <smile> sudo apt-get install stardict
[04:14] <BluesKaj> bryce_, not real good at external HDD stuff I'm afraid
[04:14] <smile> byebye ................
[04:15] <bryce_> OK... question... I've got an external hard drive hooked up thru USB... I had to run a pmount command to get it to work... is there any way to get the external hard drive to always remain on my desktop rather than always having to open it up thru terminal?
[04:16] <nosrednaekim> bryce_: doesn't it automount?
[04:16] <BluesKaj> gotta be a script you can use to open it in fstab
[04:16] <bryce_> the process everytime I wanna listen to music is... pmount /dev/sda1.... cd /media/sda1 and it always shows up on the desktop afterwards.
[04:16] <bryce_> nosrednaekim: no it doesn't :( I wish it did
[04:17] <nosrednaekim> bryce_: well go into system settings -> advanced-> disks and partitions
[04:17] <nosrednaekim> an configure that device label to mount to that place.
[04:18] <Soulwarp> hello, im having trouble changing my screen size, im trying to get 1280x1024, but it is still 1024x768. i went into system settings>monitor display>harware>administrator mode>monitor/configure...
[04:18] <Soulwarp> and changed it
[04:18] <Soulwarp> restarted X
[04:18] <Soulwarp> and no change
[04:18] <hitmanWilly> Soulwarp, did you edit xorg.conf?
[04:18] <bryce_> nosrednaekim: I cannot found disks and partitions
[04:18] <bryce_> disks and filesystems?
[04:18] <nosrednaekim> yeah sorry
[04:18] <Soulwarp> hitmanWilly no i used the system settings utility, i can check
[04:19] <BluesKaj> Soulwarp, did you check your graphics drivers as well, in sys settings ?
[04:19] <hitmanWilly> Soulwarp, that util won't go past the max res set in xorg.conf
[04:19] <bryce_> OK... now I need to let you know... I just installed Kubuntu yesterday... how do I configure that device to mount to the desktop? lol
[04:19] <Soulwarp> hitmanWilly it was 1280x1024 before i changed it to 1024x768, then i wanted to go back to the higher res
[04:20] <hitmanWilly> bryce_, set it to mount at /media/cdrom and link the device on the desktop
[04:20] <Soulwarp> BluesKaj it says 1280x1024 but it's actually 1024x768
[04:20] <bryce_> Gotcha, give me a second, will see if I can do it :)
[04:20] <nosrednaekim> hitmanWilly: this is external HD
[04:20] <Soulwarp> BluesKaj i've even rebooted the pc
[04:21] <hitmanWilly> oh, thought it was a cd, heh, that's the usual issue :P
[04:21] <BluesKaj> Soulwarp, which graphics card ?
[04:21] <bryce_> nosrednaekim: it gives me no option to link it to desktop, it's a light gray.
[04:21] <nosrednaekim> are you in admin mode?
[04:21] <bryce_> maybe? lol
[04:21] <Soulwarp> BluesKaj nvidia
[04:21] <hitmanWilly> Soulwarp, can you pastebin /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[04:21] <bryce_> lol I am now ;)
[04:21] <bryce_> I figured it out lol
[04:22] <hitmanWilly> !paste | Soulwarp
[04:22] <ubotu> Soulwarp: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:22] <Soulwarp> hitmanWilly ya sec
[04:22] <bryce_> So where would the mount point be for the desktop?
[04:23] <bryce_> nevermind, under home lol
[04:23] <nosrednaekim> bryce_: so you are mounting it in your /home/Desktop?
[04:23] <nosrednaekim> bryce_: thats not such a good idea.
[04:23] <Sakkath> firefox? mozilla-firefox?
[04:23] <Sakkath> what should i install
[04:23] <nosrednaekim> firefox
[04:24] <bryce_> I was going to... why is that a bad idea?
[04:24] <hitmanWilly> Sakkath, firefox, IIRC
[04:24] <Sakkath> nosrednaekim: ty
[04:24] <nosrednaekim> one of them is just a dummy package anyway
[04:24] <Sakkath> XD
[04:24] <Sakkath> two answers
[04:24] <Sakkath> Mozilla Firefox says Transition package for firefox rename
[04:24] <Soulwarp> hitmanWilly http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34479/
[04:24] <hitmanWilly> Sakkath, that's the dummy, then
[04:24] <nosrednaekim> bryce_: because then other users won't be able to see it. Mount it to /media/sda1 and it should automatically show up on the desktop.
[04:25] <bryce_> Oh... OK... thanks!
[04:25] <Sakkath> hitmanWilly: ok
[04:25] <hitmanWilly> Soulwarp, ok, you see the line under Section "Screen" at the end where it says modes?
[04:26] <Soulwarp> hitmanWilly yea
[04:26] <hitmanWilly> Soulwarp, move the 1280x1024@60 to the beginning of that line
[04:26] <Soulwarp> hitmanWilly ok i'll try that and restart X
[04:27] <bryce_> nosrednaekim: Thanks a lot, that worked perfect!
[04:27] <Soulwarp> brb
[04:27] <hitmanWilly> Soulwarp, k
[04:27] <nosrednaekim> bryce_: NP
[04:30] <Soulwarp> thanks a lot, it worked!
[04:30] <hitmanWilly> :)
[04:31] <Soulwarp> l8er
[04:31] <hitmanWilly> nice to see the old slack skills still have some uses
[04:31] <Sakkath> why didn't ubuntu firefox pkg install icons and such
[04:32] <c1|freaky> doesn't like to
[04:32] <c1|freaky> ;D
[04:32] <c1|freaky> i have installed other, better icons
[04:32] <c1|freaky> from kde-look.org
[04:32] <Sakkath> lame
[04:32] <Sakkath> not even in the K menu?
[04:34] <scrubb> Help?
[04:34] <nosrednaekim> yeah?
[04:34] <scrubb> Stuff keeps crashing on me.
[04:34] <scrubb> Power center crashes at login.
[04:34] <scrubb> Adept crashed a minute ago.
[04:35] <scrubb> Gave me the same error...something like SIGSEV code 11 or something like that.
[04:36] <scrubb> I'd like to just upgrade everything and see if it repairs the problem.
[04:36] <hitmanWilly> scrubb, it may actually be a hw problem
[04:36] <hitmanWilly> scrubb, have you run a memtest at all lately?
[04:37] <scrubb> No, but I"d be happy to.  Any flags I should feed it?
[04:37] <BluesKaj> sacktime here ...nite all
[04:37] <scrubb> Or are you talking about the one from the GRUB menu?
[04:37] <hitmanWilly> scrubb, the grub one
[04:38] <scrubb> What exactly does that do?
[04:38] <scrubb> I've never run it before.
[04:38] <hitmanWilly> scrubb, it makes sure all the memory registers are acting properly
[04:38] <stoned> hi I have a ktorrent error on two torrents and I can't find any info about it online.  Error:  Cannot open index file /home/stoned/.kde/share/apps/ktorrent/tor2/index : Too many open files
[04:39] <scrubb> hitman, is it quick to run?  I have 2GB of RAM.
[04:39] <stoned> they work for a while, and then stop with this error
[04:39] <hitmanWilly> scrubb, if its a major error it usually finds it pretty quick
[04:39] <hitmanWilly> scrubb, but to do a full test can take awhile
[04:39] <scrubb> I didn't used to get the errors.
[04:40] <mneptok> stoned: are you using Tor?
[04:40] <scrubb> They started showing up after I installed either the NVIDIA driver or Myth-TV.  I don't recall which one triggered it.
[04:40] <stoned> mneptok: what?
[04:40] <hitmanWilly> scrubb, multiple segfaults does seem to indicate a hw issue
[04:40] <mneptok> stoned: are. you. running. Tor?
[04:41] <stoned> mneptok: obviously. you. can't. help. me.
[04:41] <mneptok> TOR. The Onion Router.
[04:41] <mneptok> stoned: lol. classic.
[04:41] <scrubb> What would be the issue?  Bad memory bits?
[04:41] <stoned> mneptok: its the default location of where ktorrent stores torrents until they are done.  Torrents are numbered by tor0 tor1 tor2 instead of by name
[04:41] <scrubb> I get no errors in windows.
[04:42] <hitmanWilly> scrubb, hmm, either that or a corrupted library somewhere
[04:42] <scrubb> That sounds more likely to me.
[04:42] <mneptok> stoned: and this dir. its permissions? the file?
[04:42] <scrubb> Which is why I was interested in updating everything.
[04:42] <stoned> mneptok: how you gather I am using TOR is beyond me.  Obviously you know jack.
[04:42] <hitmanWilly> scrubb, id say do the memtest first, then try the upgrade
[04:42] <stoned> mneptok: ktorrent creates the files, so yes, obviously it has write permissions
[04:43] <mneptok> stoned: not necessarily
[04:43] <scrubb> *sigh*  I was hoping for a quicker fix.
[04:43] <scrubb> I really don't see how it could be a HW problem.
[04:43] <mneptok> stoned: another process could get forked to write. that process may get forked incorrectly.
[04:43] <scrubb> I'd think it would show up in windows too if it were.
[04:44] <scrubb> POST never reports any problems.
[04:44] <scrubb> Course I don't have it to a full memtest...
[04:44] <hitmanWilly> scrubb, if you can figure out what deps the segfaulting apps have in common, you may be able to reinstall the offending culprit
[04:44] <mneptok> stoned: and seeing that that string "tor2" shows up in your error, it's not rocket science to wonder if TOR factors into things.
[04:45] <stoned> yes and you would know it has nothing to do with TOR if you'd ever used ktorrent before
[04:45] <mneptok> stoned: i'm a GNOME person
[04:45] <nosrednaekim> bye all! have fun hackin!
[04:45] <mneptok> stoned: doesn't mean i "don't know jack"
[04:45] <stoned> whatever, thanks for nothing.
[04:45] <angelus> :o
[04:45] <mneptok> stoned: dude, lighten up
[04:46] <nosrednaekim> !attitude
[04:46] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[04:46] <stoned> I'm grand ;)
[04:46] <mneptok> people are trying to help you. for free.
[04:46] <angelus> stoned: that nick doest suit you, your not relaxed like you should be :p
[04:46] <stoned> you need not tell me that.  don't attack my attitude if you were unable to provide anything useful.
[04:46] <scrubb> lemme log out and back and see if I can get the backtrace again...
[04:46] <scrubb> brb
[04:47] <hitmanWilly> lol
[04:47] <Angelus> :o
[04:47] <Angelus> this guy is a gangsta
[04:47] <Angelus> :/
[04:47] <hitmanWilly> FATALITY!!!
[04:47] <Angelus> lol!! @ fatality
[04:47] <scrubb> OK.
[04:47] <Angelus> good night guys, peace.
[04:47] <p3bkac> yo.sup all
[04:48] <scrubb> Hitman, the backtrace lists three libs.
[04:48] <p3bkac> hoping someone can help...any reason why the system doesn't execute rc.local on system start?
[04:48] <p3bkac> I've googled but I can't figure out why
[04:48] <scrubb> libthread_db.so.1, libXrandr.so.2, and libX11.so.6
[04:48] <p3bkac> it's listed in the rcX.d's
[04:49] <p3bkac> but it just is not executing the script
[04:49] <scrubb> The last two appear in the [KCrash handler]  block at the bottom.
[04:49] <hydrogen> command-not-found is segfaulting whenever It gets run.. any ideas why?
[04:49] <p3bkac> I can execute it manually after system boot but its driving me crazy
[04:49] <hitmanWilly> scrubb, well, if you can figure out which pkgs those come with, you may be able to reinstall them
[04:50] <scrubb> There is a way to make apt tell you that, right?
[04:50] <jhutchins> !find libthread_db.so.1
[04:50] <ubotu> File libthread_db.so.1 found in libc6, libc6-amd64, libc6-dbg, libc6-i686, libc6-xen
[04:50] <jhutchins> scrubb: Yes.
[04:50] <dwidmann> use dpkg -S filename
[04:50] <hayami> hi
[04:50] <hydrogen> !find command-not-found
[04:50] <ubotu> Found: command-not-found, command-not-found-data
[04:50] <scrubb> lol Thanks.
[04:50] <hayami> jhutchins hi!! i'm kazuma_ xD
[04:51] <scrubb> !find libXrandr.so.2
[04:51] <hayami> do you remember me? xD
[04:51] <ubotu> Package/file libxrandr.so.2 does not exist in feisty
[04:51] <p3bkac> anyone here familiar with rc.local?
[04:51] <scrubb> I think that one is part of the NVIDIA package...
[04:51] <scrubb> Or was it MythTV...
[04:51] <jhutchins> scrubb: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto
[04:52] <hayami> jhutchins
[04:52] <hayami> how do i install mp3 format xD
[04:52] <scrubb> yay! a howto
[04:52] <jhutchins> scrubb: I'd reinstall libc6 and go from there.
[04:52] <jhutchins> hayami: Most people seem to need libxine-extracodecs.
[04:52] <klobster> kbfx slows down my boot up _bad_
[04:52] <hayami> =o and how do i install them?
[04:52] <jhutchins> aptitude install libxine-extracodecs
[04:53] <jhutchins> hayami: More detailed info here, but you have to actually follow the links: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[04:54] <hayami> is it a code called like ffmpg or something like that?
[04:54] <Zombie> Hello.
[04:54] <hitmanWilly> hayami, that's one app
[04:55] <Zombie> I'm having an issue with Kubuntu flat out ignoring changes to my Xorg configuration/
[04:55] <jhutchins> hayami: ffmpeg is a media utility.
[04:55] <hayami> =o
[04:55] <hayami> thanks
[04:55] <leemiller> I am having trouble with Compiz-Fusion on Kubuntu.  Has anyone had any luck with this?
[04:56] <jhutchins> hayami: Give the aptitude command a try, see if it works.
[04:56] <leemiller> I had it working perfectly in Gnome,  but I personally would rather use KDE
[04:56] <jhutchins> leemiller: #ubuntu-effects should have some.
[04:56] <leemiller> the IRC channel #ubuntu-effects?
[04:56] <hitmanWilly> Zombie, ignoring how?
[04:57] <leemiller> Thanks
[04:58] <Zombie> As in I make changes to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:58] <Zombie> and restart
[04:58] <Zombie> An Xorg ignores me.
[04:58] <jhutchins> leemiller: Yeah, officially we don't do compiz/beryl here.
[04:59] <leemiller> ok
[04:59] <jhutchins> leemiller: Not that there aren't people here sometimes who know their way around it.
[04:59] <hitmanWilly> Zombie, are you sure you're changing the right section?
[04:59] <Zombie> Very.
[04:59] <leemiller> I am new to the IRC chatting,  sorry for the inconvinence
[04:59] <jhutchins> Zombie: What are you changing?
[04:59] <jhutchins> leemiller: Well, I didn't want you to feel like you were being booted.
[05:00] <leemiller> thanks much
[05:00] <Zombie> Adding screen resolutions 400x300, and 320x240
[05:00] <jhutchins> leemiller: Some chat clients like konversation will highlight a channel name and you can just doubleclick it instead of /join #ubuntu-effects.
[05:00] <leemiller> cool
[05:00] <leemiller> I will have to remember that
[05:00] <jhutchins> Zombie: Start x from a console and see what it says about those modes.
[05:00] <leemiller> Konversation seems to be a decent client
[05:01] <scrubb> So after I reinstall/uninstall a package, do I need to do anything special like logout or reboot?
[05:01] <leemiller> what are you guys working on this evening?
[05:01] <Zombie> I don't think you understand the dispiarity here.
[05:01] <hitmanWilly> scrubb, for those, probably not
[05:01] <jhutchins> leemiller: I used to use xchat but it started crashing on me (gtk problem or something), so I got used to konversation.
[05:01] <scrubb> Ok.  I reinstalled Libc6 and uninstalled mythTV.
[05:01] <scrubb> Let's see what happens...
[05:01] <scrubb> brb
[05:01] <leemiller> (does not seem like anyone is talking on ubuntu-effects)
[05:01] <Zombie> My xorg.conf has a configuration completely unlike my xrandr reports
[05:02] <Zombie> in Xorg.conf, the only reported configuration is 1200x800
[05:02] <jhutchins> leemiller: Well, it's like 3am in Western Europe.
[05:02] <leemiller> oh
[05:02] <leemiller> good point
[05:02] <scrubb> k, that didn't get it...
[05:02] <Zombie> When I run XRandr, I see 1024x768, 800x600, 640x480
[05:02] <scrubb> zombie, what's Xrandr?
[05:02] <jawee> I asked on #kde first, but not as many people seem to be around.
[05:02] <jawee> anyway, how do I set two different panels to have different transparency settings?
[05:03] <jhutchins> Zombie: Do all three of those work?
[05:03] <Zombie> and thats what logs it reports it processes.
[05:03] <Zombie> Yes.
[05:03] <scrubb> Is that part of the nvidia driver?
[05:03] <jhutchins> jawee: compiz/beryl?
[05:03] <jawee> jhutchins: kwin
[05:03] <Zombie> But they are not part of the xorg.cconf file.
[05:03] <Zombie> They aren't even listed!
[05:03] <jhutchins> jawee: Dunno, I only have the one panel.
[05:04] <jhutchins> jawee: Kicker/panel thingy at the bottom of the screen, known in windows as taskbar/system tray.
[05:04] <hitmanWilly> Zombie, you are editing xorg.conf with root privs, correct? (sudo)
[05:04] <jawee> jhutchins: I have two, but the same. My friend who is trying to switch from GNOME wanted to known how
[05:04] <jawee> jhutchins: Yes, I know. I have used KDE for a while. I'm just trying to get someone to use KDE. :D
[05:05] <Zombie> Yes.
[05:05] <flaccid> Sakkath: how did you go
[05:05] <Zombie> I could maybe delete the damn file and it would do the same thing.
[05:06] <scrubb> What's the key combo to restard X? CTRL+ALT+BKSP?
[05:06] <scrubb> er restart
[05:06] <jhutchins> Zombie: x will usually report diagnostics when it reads that file either to screen or log.
[05:06] <hitmanWilly> scrubb, yup
[05:06] <scrubb> k
[05:06] <flaccid> ctrl + alt + bkspc kills X
[05:06] <jhutchins> Zombie: Which is why I recommended that you start it from a console and see if you can catch what it says about modelines and resolutions.
[05:07] <Zombie> I could shovel it into a Pastebin
[05:09] <jhutchins> jawee: Sorry, I don't even know why you'd have two panels, so having two panels with different configs is beyond me.
[05:09] <jhutchins> jawee: Either you can or you can't.
[05:10] <jawee> jhutchins: for him, he likes to set up a sort of OS X panel with his. for me, I just prefer to have my system tray and pager on a seperate one
[05:12] <jawee> Anyway, any other ideas for customizing two panels seperately?
[05:13] <jhutchins> jawee: If changing settings in one of them affects both panels, then you're probably out of luck, but change the settings in one and see if the other one changes.
[05:14] <jawee> jhutchins: there seems to be no way to change settings for just one panel.
[05:14] <jawee> jhutchins: the settings seem to be generic to kicker
[05:16] <ardchoille> jawee: If you have more than one panel, you can customise each one via the drop down menu
[05:16] <jawee> ardchoille: not for the transparency tab
[05:17] <jawee> ardchoille: Only for the arrangement and hiding tabs
[05:17] <ardchoille> Ah, true.. that sucks
[05:17] <jawee> ardchoille: I think I'll try to snoop around in .kde and see what I can kind.
[05:18] <hayami> how do i uninstall a package
[05:18] <jawee> hayami: GUI or no GUI?
[05:18] <jawee> GUI or console rather
[05:19] <hayami> explain me friend cuz im new xD
[05:19] <hayami> i have this problem, can you send me the pastebin?
[05:19] <jawee> hayami: Are you using the add/remove programs in the k menu?
[05:19] <hayami> to show you my friend?
[05:19] <ardchoille> !paste
[05:19] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:19] <hayami> thanks
[05:19] <jhutchins> !paste | hayami
[05:19] <ubotu> hayami: please see above
[05:21] <jhutchins> Hm, only 12 nicks in #kubuntu-es
[05:21] <hayami> check budies
[05:21] <hayami> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34482/
[05:22] <jawee> hmm
[05:22] <ardchoille> hayami: If you're looking for libdvdcss2, you may want to add the Seveas repo
[05:22] <ardchoille> !seveas
[05:22] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[05:23] <adam_> Hi eveyone. Just installed Kubuntu 7.04. Something went wrong in the update after install and now I cant update - its saying another process is using the package DB but I cant find it in TOP process list. And if I reboot its the same
[05:23] <hayami> =o
[05:23] <hayami> how do i add it?
[05:23] <hayami> well
[05:23] <hayami> i know how
[05:23] <hayami> but what is the link xD
[05:23] <jhutchins> !aptfix | adam_
[05:23] <ardchoille> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[05:23] <ubotu> adam_: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[05:24] <ardchoille> hayami: Read that page ^
[05:24] <hayami> i put it in /etc/apt/source.list right?
[05:24] <ardchoille> hayami: Read that page ^
[05:25] <adam_> <3 ubotu! Many thanks mate legend
[05:25] <jhutchins> !botsnack
[05:25] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[05:25] <ardchoille> !bot | adam_
[05:25] <ubotu> adam_: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[05:25] <adam_> lolz the bot that knows all
[05:26] <adam_> Ty jhutchins
[05:27] <phoenixz> Hi all, I can use ctrl-ins to copy anywhere in KDE except the shell console.. How or where can I configure this correctly?
[05:27] <namol> phoenixz: in an actual console or in the console while running X?
[05:27] <ardchoille> phoenixz: You can hilight in konsole and right click to get some choices
[05:27] <hayami> can you give me a link to paste it? cuz i don't understand that friend :p
[05:28] <ardchoille> !paste | hayami
[05:28] <ubotu> hayami: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:28] <phoenixz> namol, console while running kde yeah
[05:28] <phoenixz> ardchoille, I know I can do it that way but I like the keyboard, its much more efficient and faster.. so I'd like a keyboard shortcut, which works everywhere in KDE, but not in the console
[05:29] <namol> try ctrl+c?
[05:29] <namol> it tells you the shortcut when you right click though, so then you'll know for future use
[05:31] <phoenixz> namol, thats the deal, there is NO shortcut displayed in console either.. paste has shift+insert, but copy does not show anything
[05:31] <ardchoille> phoenixz: You can set a keyboard shortcut for copy and another one for paste.  Settings -> Configure Shorcuts
[05:31] <hayami> any repositorie that contains the package i'm looking for?
[05:31] <hayami> it's hard for me to understand xD
[05:32] <vsudilov> anyone know the default hotkey for hibernate?
[05:32] <namol> phoenixz: I think in konsole, just selecting the text copies it
[05:32] <namol> try it
[05:33] <phoenixz> ardchoille, again, its specified there as CTRL-INS.. but not in console.. dunno why not.. its as if console ignores the setting
[05:33] <phoenixz> namol, yeah, I know the select-autocopy feature but Id like to copy to the clipboard
[05:33] <namol> phoenixz: there's special ctrl + functions in the console
[05:33] <hayami> can someone can send me the list of the repositories
[05:33] <hayami> that i should have? :p
[05:33] <namol> which is why i think it doesn't want to work for you
[05:34] <hayami> please that would be very kind
[05:34] <ardchoille> hayami: Which package are you looking for?
[05:34] <phoenixz> namol, gottit! thanks! :)
[05:35] <namol> hayami: http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/
[05:35] <Sakkath> flaccid: adept is upgrading a lot of things, i was gonna do a normal adept update but it offered to upgrade to feisty for me so i figured why not :P ty buddy
[05:35] <dga> how do i disable the system beep in kubuntu?
[05:35] <hayami> the one it's missing man
[05:35] <ardchoille> hayami: libdvdcss2 ?
[05:36] <hayami> yeah dude
[05:36] <hayami> sorry
[05:36] <hayami> and thanks
[05:36] <hayami> for the page
[05:36] <hayami> but
[05:36] <hayami> i don't understand a lot of repositories
[05:36] <namol> what package are you trying to install?
[05:36] <hayami> i just see links a links
[05:36] <ardchoille> hayami: Go to this page and read, it explains how to add this repo: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[05:36] <hayami> libdvdcss2
[05:37] <flaccid> Sakkath: sweet now you just have to wait for it fail
[05:37] <flaccid> :p
[05:38] <namol> aptitude search libdvdcss2 :\
[05:38] <ardchoille> namol: It won't find it until he adds a repo cuz libdvdcss2 isn't in the main repos
[05:39] <franko24> I have this problem when I make "make modules modules_install". Can someone please help me?             http://pastebin.com/m170d93ae
[05:39] <hayami> namol
[05:39] <hayami> see what appeared
[05:40] <hayami> hayami@hayamilap:~$ sudo aptitude search libdvdcss2
[05:40] <hayami> BB  libdvdcss2-dev                  - development files for libdvdcss2
[05:40] <hayami> hayami@hayamilap:~$
[05:40] <namol> hayami: what version are you running?
[05:41] <hayami> from?
[05:41] <hayami> feisty
[05:41] <hayami> xD
[05:42] <namol> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/install-mplayer-and-multimedia-codecs-libdvdcss2w32codecs-in-ubuntu-feisty-fawn.html
[05:42] <namol> there's a walk through on how to do it
[05:43] <ardchoille> It seems all he has to do is  "sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2" and he's done
[05:44] <hayami> thanks namol
[05:44] <phoenixz> Anybody with some experience with automatix? Does it use .deb packages that will also automatically be updated with the apt-get updater??
[05:44] <ardchoille> !automatix | phoenixz
[05:44] <ubotu> phoenixz: Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[05:45] <ardchoille> phoenixz: automatix is very bad, don't use it.
[05:45] <namol> I don't care too much for automatix
[05:45] <phoenixz> ardchoille, Do I even dare to ask why it is so bad? :)
[05:45] <phoenixz> I mean, basically it does sound nice...
[05:46] <ardchoille> phoenixz: Too many people come in here after having their systems trashed by automatix.. it's quite dangerous
[05:46] <phoenixz> Though I would prefer a nice .deb repo and use adept manager...
[05:46] <ardchoille> phoenixz:  http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html
[05:46] <phoenixz> ardchoille, Im readin already
[05:46] <namol> phoenixz: use apt
[05:46] <ardchoille> phoenixz: You can easily do anything automatix can do with a little reading
[05:46] <namol> or something
[05:47] <namol> apt and dpkg
[05:47] <phoenixz> ardchoille, I know.. its just that I keep having quite a few problems, with -for example- video and audio..
[05:47] <ardchoille> phoenixz: What are your video problems? I can try and help with that. I don't use audio.
[05:48] <Sakkath> flaccid: lol
[05:49] <phoenixz> ardchoille, audio is more related to an external USB and ALSA being a bit.. eh.. not mature enough... :) About video: Its like a progressively worse situation.. mplayer on any video file will show me the first frame and its stops.. xine simply crashed after xine-config had its way with it (I'll reinstall xine completely, still have to do that) and right now, I can sometimes play wmv files with only kaffeine (only one left) but wmv files show massive codec
[05:49] <phoenixz>  errors (you know, the bright blue -green-yellow colors over the screen)
[05:50] <ardchoille> phoenixz: sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[05:50] <Sakkath> how should i install plugins for firefox for video
[05:50] <ardchoille> phoenixz: You might also want to add the seveas repo and install w32codecs
[05:50] <ardchoille> !seveas
[05:50] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[05:51] <ardchoille> That'll help with wmv files
[05:53] <phoenixz> ardchoille, seveas repo?
[05:53] <ardchoille> Yes, it's a nice repo
[05:53] <phoenixz> ardchoille, where do I find that one?
[05:53] <ardchoille> !seveas | phoenixz
[05:53] <ubotu> phoenixz: Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[05:54] <phoenixz> ardchoille, mmmm... I just continued reading.. this package indeed sucks hairy balls -pardon my french-  but as I read it, even starting it, without installing anything yet, is dangerous.. is that correct?
[05:54] <ardchoille> Not sure, I haven't used it since it trashed my box last year.. best to stay away from it, though.
[05:54] <jhutchins> phoenixz: dcss?
[05:55] <phoenixz> jhutchins, excuse me?
[05:55] <jhutchins> phoenixz: Which package is dangerous?
[05:55] <namol> automatix
[05:55] <ardchoille> automatix
[05:56] <jhutchins> Ah, yes.
[05:56] <phoenixz> jhutchins, ardchoille, too late for that.. :) I have not installed anything, but I have started it already
[05:56] <ardchoille> phoenixz: You might be still ok, uninstall it and check your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[05:56] <phoenixz> You might want to place some big BIG warning somewhere about this crap.. I heard lots of people about it like woah and oooohhh!! great!
[05:56] <phoenixz> then I read this crap.. :(
[05:56] <phoenixz> ardchoille, Do I even want to know? :)
[05:56] <jhutchins> phoenixz: We keep trying to tell people.
[05:57] <namol> phoenixz: which is why you should read about packages/software before you download them :D
[05:57] <phoenixz> ardchoille, the only nice thing about it is that it shows a great list of software..  let me copy paste (with a pencil) which packages I want to install after this with apt get :)
[05:57] <jhutchins> phoenixz: Especially if they are from outside the main repositories, which are pretty thorough.
[05:57] <Sakkath> !w32codecs
[05:57] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[05:57] <Sakkath> eh?
[05:58] <Sakkath> !codecs
[05:58] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:58] <ardchoille> phoenixz: Yes, I know, but all that "nice list" of software can be had simply by adding repos and doing it manually.. and it's safer.
[05:58] <phoenixz> namol, I usually do, and I do know about package management.. its just that I figured that something like it would be... okay.. I mean it looks reasonably professional and all..
[05:58] <phoenixz> ardchoille, don't worry, you got me convinced :)
[05:59] <jhutchins> Yeah, and what do you do about that?  It's well-intentioned, but it just isn't safe.
[05:59] <jhutchins> phoenixz: for some people, the ones who advise using it, it works great.
[05:59] <ardchoille> phoenixz: My reasoning is that if you do things the right way, you will end up learning quite a bit and can trobuleshoot/fix any problems that might arise later. Problems caused by automatix are often hard to track and fix.
[05:59] <jhutchins> phoenixz: It's one thing if something either works or just fails, but when it either works or it trashes your system...
[06:00] <jhutchins> ardchoille: True of many quick fixes.
[06:00] <mooman> what's the line for getting ndiswrapper?
[06:01] <ardchoille> !ndiswrapper
[06:01] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:01] <mooman> thankyou
[06:01] <Sakkath> i'm not on gnome so how do i get to the "Resticted extras" sectino
[06:01] <Sakkath> in Add/Remove
[06:02] <ardchoille> Sakkath: That is a gnome app, if you have itstalled you may be able to run it, but I don't think there is an equivalent for kde
[06:02] <ardchoille> Oh, sorry, I misread you.. I thought you said Restricted Drivers
[06:02] <phoenixz> ardchoille, What I read here is that the trash it creates on your system is close to impossible to fix... specialy with package management..
[06:02] <mooman> I meant downloading ndiswrapper.  sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper  ?
[06:02] <Sakkath> ardchoille: it's still a gnome thing and i'm not sure what to do
[06:03] <ardchoille> phoenixz: True. But on my system it completely broke sudo, so I was screwed.
[06:03] <ardchoille> Sakkath: What are you looking for? Restricted repos?
[06:03] <blueregard> hello all
[06:04] <ardchoille> hi blueregard
[06:04] <blueregard> how is everyone tonight?
[06:04] <Sakkath> ardchoille: Click Applications  Add/Remove. In the top right, change the setting to All available applications. Then select Other in the left panel and then select the Ubuntu restricted extras package. Click OK.   <-- From https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[06:05] <hayami> dude
[06:05] <ardchoille> Sakkath: That looks like the url you need to read right there
[06:05] <hayami> i have another problem
[06:06] <phoenixz> ardchoille, well, with the CD you could reboot.. but still, that would be the easy part
[06:06] <hayami> the repos that i installed doesn't work with libdvdcss2
[06:06] <Sakkath> ardchoille: yes.. but that Applications - Add/remove thingie is part of gnome, and i'm on kubuntu
[06:07] <ardchoille> hayami: can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file please? use pastebin
[06:07] <jhutchins> hayami: https://wiki.kubuntu.com/KubuntuFeistyKnownProblems
[06:07] <hayami> ok
[06:07] <jhutchins> ?
[06:07] <hayami> !pastebin
[06:07] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[06:08] <ardchoille> Sakkath: kmenu > System > Add/Remove Programs  ?
[06:08] <jhutchins> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[06:08] <Sakkath> ardchoille: oh..
[06:08] <blueregard> I'm setting up one of our Kubuntu servers with several Windows VMware guest OS's to do some Windows repair training and I need to find somewhere that I can get a few different virii and spyware samples to intentionally infect the guest OS's.
[06:08] <blueregard> anyone know where I might find something like that?
[06:09] <jhutchins> blueregard: Leave an un-patched un-firewalled windows box connected to the net for an hour?
[06:09] <ardchoille> blueregard: I doubt you're going to find help with that here
[06:09] <jhutchins> blueregard: Maybe #windows
[06:09] <Sakkath> ardchoille: oh.. i can't open it because adept is upgrading stuff atm
[06:09] <ardchoille> Sakkath: You'll have to wait until adept is done
[06:10] <hayami> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34488/
[06:10] <hayami> see friend
[06:10] <hayami> cuz i don't know what to do
[06:10] <hayami> or how i can fix that error
[06:10] <blueregard> jhutchins: I was thinking I might have to do that.
[06:11] <ardchoille> hayami: I've told you this several times, add the seveas repo and try again
[06:11] <blueregard> I don't need anything major, I just need to get some of these morons HR hired to the point where they can fix a machine without calling me 20 times.
[06:12] <blueregard> and I figured virtual machines were the safest way to go about training them.
[06:12] <Sakkath> ardchoille: ya. does it have the restircted extras thingie like gnome does?
[06:12] <ardchoille> Sakkath: I don't know, I don't use gnome.
[06:13] <Sakkath> ardchoille: neither do i that's why this guide is confusing me
[06:13] <ardchoille> and I don't use gui's either, so I'm not the best one to ask.
[06:14] <jrenato> aonde possa baixar o frostwire
[06:14] <hayami> can you give me the deb http?
[06:14] <hayami> cuz i got confussed with lot's of links
[06:14] <ardchoille> hayami: I've given you this link several times, can you write it down this time please? http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[06:15] <ardchoille> hayami: You can't just add a deb line, you have to add keys and there is other info you need to know.
[06:17] <hayami> i'm new, it's that why i don't understand lot's of things
[06:17] <jhutchins> hayami: Plan to read a lot.
[06:21] <phoenixz> ardchoille, one of the little jokes Id had to pull to start automatix was kill off kio_file (that really should have been a warning). How do I get that back up?
[06:23] <ardchoille> phoenixz: Not sure, never had to do that.. but, you're right, that should have been a warning.  Im baaaadd. Im baaddd Im baaaadd Im baaaadd x 10000
[06:24] <jhutchins> phoenixz: I'd think you could just re-start kde.
[06:24] <jhutchins> phoenixz: maybe dcop kio_file?
[06:25] <phoenixz> jhutchins, I could yeah but then again, Id like to hunt-down-and-squish-like-a-bug anything that has to do anything with automatix before I restart anything at all.. :)
[06:26] <flaccid> if its dead, its dead!
[06:26] <flaccid> unless its in ps ..
[06:27] <phoenixz> ardchoille, already problem one: adept manager gives an error on startup.. "The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem"
[06:27] <phoenixz> ardchoille, But then again, Ive had this one before after an adept manager crash so... somebody gave me a (quite comoplex I remember) solution for it..
[06:27] <jhutchins> !aptfix | phoenixz
[06:27] <ubotu> phoenixz: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[06:28] <phoenixz> jhutchins, That one yeah!
[06:29] <jhutchins> Night, all.
[06:30] <soulrider> hello
[06:30] <phoenixz> ardchoille, jhutchins, nothing :(  I dont understand.. I only opened and closed the app... if this is so dangerous, then why the hell are these guys giving it away with pride?!?
[06:43] <Sakkath> is there a way to install all the packages that would come with feisty? does kubuntu come with compiz or do i need a nice howto?
[06:43] <Dr_willis> Id avoide compwiz at this time.
[06:43] <carlos-e> hola amigos
[06:44] <Dr_willis>  what packages are you refering to?
[06:44] <Sakkath> Dr_willis: not sure, never used feisty, i've upgraded from dapper. and why would you avoid compiz
[06:44] <Dr_willis> its very very much a work in progress. :)
[06:44] <carlos-e> hola amigos alguien abla espaol
[06:45] <Dr_willis> if you MUST see the fancy gui-eye-candy. try a live cd with it allready enabled.
[06:45] <Sakkath> Dr_willis: pfft it's been working fine for a while
[06:45] <Dr_willis> Sakkath,  go for it then.. good luck..
[06:45] <Dr_willis> you will not BELIVE the # of people ive seen asking how to isntall that stuff.. then the next day they ask how to remove it.
[06:45] <Sakkath> Dr_willis: everyone uses it, i've even used it :p
[06:45] <Dr_willis> I dont use it. :) thats why i said to avoide it.. now in say   4 Months.. perhaps..
[06:46] <Dr_willis> that Sabayon Live cd. had the compwiz, and Mettiss, and other eye candy stuff on it. neat to test out.
[06:46] <Dr_willis> too bad it dident work very well for me.
[06:47] <Sakkath> anyways.. the RestrictedFormatshttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats <-- the section that says applications - Add/Remove and then go to ubuntu restricted extras . . . that's gnome, i'm on kde, i'm not sure what to use. and ya, sabayon didn't work great for me either, but i think the dvd was screwed up 'cause my dvd burner is dying i think
[06:48] <Dr_willis> My KDE menus have an add/remove - thats just another front end for the package manager, adept or synaptic.
[06:48] <Sakkath> Dr_willis: yeah, i'm not seeing a 'restricted extras' thingie though
[06:49] <Dr_willis> that meand enable the other restricted repositories.
[06:49] <Dr_willis> I always do that by editng the sources.list
[06:49] <Dr_willis> or use easysource site
[06:49] <Dr_willis> !easysource
[06:49] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[06:49] <Dr_willis> Its proberly been moved somewhere.  in the menus
[06:49] <Sakkath> oh
[06:49] <Sakkath> yeah this is adept, i'm guessing the wiki page is for the synaptic thing
[06:50] <Dr_willis> i always enable that stuff right off - on a new install . never use the gui.
[06:50] <Dr_willis> Yep - wiki pages tend to be for synaptic
[06:50] <Dr_willis> You could always install synaptic
[06:50] <Sakkath> eh
[06:50] <Sakkath> could
[06:50] <Dr_willis> I would much perfer the wiki pages to have 3 'parts' one for synaptic, one for adept. and one for the shell. :)
[06:50] <Sakkath> that would be nice
[06:50] <Dr_willis> Then again. one fo the first things i isntall is synaptic
[06:50] <Dr_willis> I dont find adept's interface that  likeable. :)
[06:51] <Sakkath> should i use amarok and kde packages? and also i'm not sure which to use for the media plugins i'm looking for
[06:51] <Dr_willis> I belive theres a specific repo for the 'latest' amarok.  but it depends on your needs.
[06:52] <Dr_willis> what do you mean by 'use' them? vs using what?
[06:52] <Sakkath> well i just want compatibility with the most formats
[06:52] <Dr_willis> depends on what yopu are playing. :)
[06:52] <Sakkath> so i wonder if i should install latest amarok
[06:52] <Sakkath> i just wanna get streamin videos workin
[06:52] <Sakkath> wmv videos, real, etc., anything to work in firefox
[06:52] <Dr_willis> cant say that ive trtied streaming video in amarok
[06:53] <Dr_willis> for the video stuff - you will need that w32codec package.
[06:53] <Sakkath> eh that was just a side question, jif i should bother getting latest amarok thing
[06:53] <Dr_willis> then whatever players ya like.
[06:53] <Dr_willis> I doubt if the version of amarok will matter much.
[06:53] <Sakkath> this howto says to download it from this site.. but is it in any of these repos?
[06:53] <Dr_willis> I dont see much need for the latest amarok.
[06:53] <Sakkath> ok
[06:53] <Dr_willis> you can always install it later.
[06:53] <Sakkath> yea
[06:54] <Sakkath> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxStreamingVideo
[06:54] <Sakkath> is the w32codecs avail in any repo?
[06:54] <Dr_willis> Yes it is.
[06:54] <Dr_willis> !w32codecs
[06:54] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[06:54] <Sakkath> seveas?
[06:54] <Sakkath> k
[06:54] <mooman> has anyone tried kubuntu on an old IBM p3 laptop?
[06:54] <Dr_willis> Yep. That easysource site - lets you easially add his repos.
[06:55] <Dr_willis> mooman,  thats rather vague. :)  it should work.
[06:55] <Dr_willis> Ive ran kubuntu on a Pent 1 laptop.
[06:55] <Sakkath> mooman: especially if it's coppermine
[06:55] <Sakkath> i would advise a compiled os rather than binary, might notice some speed diffs
[06:55] <Sakkath> gentoo ;P
[06:55] <mooman> freeBSD?
[06:55] <Dr_willis> Sakkath,  seen too many arguments on that topic. :) i dont think he would gain much.
[06:55] <Sakkath> no
[06:56] <Sakkath> that's not linux
[06:56] <mooman> I know
[06:56] <Sakkath> Dr_willis: i've tried it on an old system and it CRAWLED along
[06:56] <Dr_willis> WHat Speed P3 and how much ram.
[06:56] <Sakkath> it was awful
[06:56] <Sakkath> >.>
[06:56] <mooman> it's unix, but probably very compatible.
[06:56] <Dr_willis> and what tasks will the thing be doing.
[06:56] <Sakkath> mooman: no matter what i like linux better..
[06:56] <mooman> Text proccessing / Web Transfer (HTTP Only)
[06:57] <Sakkath> do you need a gui?
[06:57] <mooman> and maybe irc or bsflite.
[06:57] <mooman> nah, no gui
[06:57] <Sakkath> i'd still advise gentoo
[06:57] <ubuntu_> eeks
[06:57] <mooman> if I were to go with gentoo, i'd go with MEPIS.
[06:57] <Dr_willis> with no gui. the ubuntu server installs should be fine.
[06:57] <Sakkath> MEPIS?
[06:57] <underdog5004> you can compile from source on kubuntu
[06:57] <mooman> basically built for IBM
[06:57] <underdog5004> instead of apt-get install, you do apt-get source
[06:58] <Sakkath> underdog5004: so? what's wrong with gentoo :(
[06:58] <Dr_willis> whats right with gentoo.. (please lets NOT start this argument again) :)
[06:58] <underdog5004> Sakkath, lol, it takes a long time to compile anything with a p3
[06:58] <Sakkath> so
[06:58] <underdog5004> I mean, nothing, there's nothing wrong with gentoo
[06:58] <Dr_willis> Little gain, lot of pain.. use what you like...
[06:58] <Sakkath> if he dont have a gui that's fine
[06:58] <Sakkath> Dr_willis: i beg to differ
[06:58] <Dr_willis> This is Linux. Use what you like.
[06:58] <underdog5004> all about choice
[06:59] <Sakkath> indeed and i would suggest gentoo for something that minimalistic
[06:59] <Dr_willis> Sakkath,  ive seen this debated to death..    and very little gets said.
[06:59] <Sakkath> so he can start bare bones and add what he likes easily
[06:59] <mooman> I am using Kubuntu on a P3 995mhz
[06:59] <Dr_willis> slax, puppulinux, featherlinux, dsl, 100+ others.....
[06:59] <mooman> It works every thing fine.
[06:59] <Sakkath> i personally like gentoo a lot more, to be honest
[06:59] <Dr_willis> depends on his needs.
[07:00] <Sakkath> if i wanted an "easy os" i'd proly use sabayon or maybe i'd try out fedora. opensuse ain't bad
[07:00] <Dr_willis> sabayon lasted 2 days here.. it had.. issues.. BIG issues...
[07:00] <underdog5004> or, he could try what he wants.
[07:01] <Sakkath> underdog5004: yes.. just saying if i want a "ready-to-go" os i'd try those 3, ubuntu would come after them though
[07:01] <Sakkath> but if i want a hobby os, gentoo for me! ;p lol
[07:01] <Sakkath> anyways
[07:01] <underdog5004> indeed; anyways
[07:01] <Sakkath> is http://seveas.imbrandon.com/ an ok mirror?
[07:01] <mooman> so what's the advantage of say...Linux Kubuntu over Unix freeBSD?  simply the interface and the what it lines up proccess data?
[07:02] <underdog5004> no idea
[07:02] <Sakkath> i like gnu tools
[07:02] <Sakkath> ;)
[07:02] <Sakkath> and iptables
[07:02] <underdog5004> although, I do know that the BSD's are supposed to be way more secure than anything else on the market
[07:02] <Sakkath> fbsd is tiny and i'd say good for a small shell server
[07:02] <Sakkath> underdog5004: i've always heard linux was me secure
[07:02] <underdog5004> lol
[07:02] <Dr_willis> mooman,  for bsd vs linux, theres a lot of Fundamental/core differances.. the GUI/Interface is one of the more trivial differances. :)
[07:02] <Sakkath> s/me/more/
[07:02] <Dr_willis> Ive always heard BSD was more secure. :)
[07:02] <Sakkath> i'd say there's more linux support
[07:02] <Sakkath> and more things available
[07:03] <underdog5004> I read somewhere that BSD has only had 1 zero day vulnerability in the kernel. I prefer linux for the hardware support though
[07:03] <mooman> Well, in terms of being a user...the differences are less seen.  Unless you're doing programming eh?
[07:03] <Sakkath> seeing as the bsd's, there's only one major, fbsd, whereas there's a lot of linux distros
[07:03] <Sakkath> mooman: well.. for a user, the ports are really nice (me being a gentoo user)
[07:03] <Sakkath> but it's less for a desktop
[07:03] <underdog5004> mooman, trust me, you'll see a difference if you use BSD...use linux to get started...a lot of the commands will work on the bsd's as well.
[07:03] <Sakkath> more for a server
[07:03] <Sakkath> the damn thing comes with pico
[07:04] <Sakkath> haha
[07:04] <mooman> I used to use freeBSD on a 1.3ghz IBM Thinkpad.
[07:04] <Sakkath> and vi
[07:04] <Sakkath> >.>
[07:04] <Sakkath> nano/vim please
[07:04] <underdog5004> vim ftw
[07:04] <Sakkath> i used it for a while but way too many things were available for linux
[07:04] <mooman> Worked great for Text, but the CPU was never used over 600mhz.
[07:04] <Sakkath> everything i wanted "linux linux linux" nothing for fbsd :(
[07:04] <Sakkath> i'd say you have less options
[07:04] <mooman> Yeah, definitely.  But I am not a very needy man.
[07:05] <Sakkath> i'd say there's more development for linux
[07:06] <mooman> How about the file system compatibility?  Is it perfect?
[07:06] <underdog5004> and code gets out faster...of course, that's because there's less security scrutiny...
[07:09] <Sakkath> what section for seveas do i want? there's backports custom drivers extras freenx seveas-meta all... i just want w23codecs atm
[07:11] <Sakkath> ok w32codecs is in extras
[07:12] <driverman> kubuntu did not install a bootloader for some reason.
[07:13] <kubuntunomad> hello?
[07:13] <driverman> wait, maybe it did, and it hid it on my other drive
[07:14] <driverman> yep. nevermind
[07:14] <kubuntunomad> I tried booting kubuntu 7.04 live and got a failed xfermode error
[07:18] <kubuntunomad> is there anything i can do to stop it
[07:25] <kewlsolutions> lo
[07:25] <kubuntunomad> hi
[07:26] <kewlsolutions> asl mo?
[07:26] <kubuntunomad> im sorry im not fluent in advanced internet abreviations
[07:27] <kewlsolutions> ok.
[07:27] <kewlsolutions> from were a u?
[07:27] <kubuntunomad> new york
[07:27] <kewlsolutions> hw old r u ?
[07:27] <Sakkath> lol asl is 'not' advanced
[07:28] <Sakkath> it's very old and used by 13 year olds on aim
[07:28] <kubuntunomad> i dont chat alot
[07:28] <Sakkath> or at least when i was 13
[07:28] <Sakkath> (3 years ago)
[07:28] <kewlsolutions> r u boy o gurl?
[07:28] <Sakkath> kewlsolutions: it's not that hard to say 'are you a boy or a girl?'
[07:28] <kubuntunomad> im uncomfortable
[07:28] <Lynoure> Sakkath: even when I was 15...
[07:28] <Lynoure> Sakkath: 16 years ago.
[07:28] <kewlsolutions> wat u min ?
[07:29] <Sakkath> kewlsolutions: in fact it takes more time to think of an abbreviation for everything, instead you could type normal and slowly improve your typing skills and type faster
[07:29] <Sakkath> kewlsolutions: i bet i type faster than you typing normal than you do with abbreviations.
[07:29] <kubuntunomad> idk uwtt
[07:29] <Sakkath> and it just makes you look like a complete idiot.
[07:29] <kubuntunomad> lol
[07:29] <Lynoure> The reason why there is not much 'chatting' here is that this is the support channel
[07:29] <Sakkath> kubuntunomad: ?
[07:29] <kewlsolutions> okey..
[07:29] <Lynoure> #ubuntu-offtopic is the chat spot
[07:29] <kewlsolutions> sorry
[07:29] <kubuntunomad> can anyone help me with my problem
[07:30] <kewlsolutions> yes?
[07:30] <Sakkath> kubuntunomad: what is it? ask it, don't ask to ask
[07:30] <kubuntunomad> i typed it before
[07:30] <Sakkath> kubuntunomad: sorry, i wasn't around, mind restating it?
[07:30] <Sakkath> nevermind
[07:30] <Sakkath> kubuntunomad: i saw it
[07:30] <Sakkath> but i haven't a clue :(
[07:30] <Sakkath> google was no help?
[07:30] <kubuntunomad> ah
[07:31] <Lynoure> kubuntunomad: "failed" or some error message? I mean, how did it fail?
[07:31] <kubuntunomad> well i actually went first to the kubuntu forums rather than google
[07:31] <kubuntunomad> well it gives me some error about tty
[07:31] <Lynoure> It would help to hear exactly what the error is.
[07:32] <kubuntunomad> and then loops this message ata2.01: failed to set xfermode (err_mask=0x4)
[07:34] <kubuntunomad> (initramfs)
[07:34] <kubuntunomad> "/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
[07:34] <Lynoure> kubuntunomad: http://fak3r.com/2007/06/22/failed-to-set-xfermode-solved/ looks promising. I cannot remember if the normal livecd takes boot options, though
[07:35] <kubuntunomad> its not a live cd, its full thing
[07:35] <kubuntunomad> but i was testing boot first
[07:35] <Lynoure> kubuntunomad: oh, then you can just follow those instructions.
[07:35] <Lynoure> I mean, if you have kubuntu already installed.
[07:36] <kubuntunomad> i dont
[07:36] <kubuntunomad> but i figure that it would have these errors even installed.
[07:36] <Lynoure> kubuntunomad: the livecd is the same as the installation cd...
[07:37] <Lynoure> What are you using for booting with if not 7.04 live cd?  the alternate cd? something else?
[07:37] <Sakkath> is there a way i can get all pkgs that come with feisty? does totem come with it? i dont' have totem.. maybe cause i use kde!! so it's kaffeine isntead?
[07:37] <kubuntunomad> im using dvd
[07:38] <Lynoure> Sakkath: all packages is very many... thousands.
[07:38] <Sakkath> i'm gonna need more repos or somethin... i don't see any for kaffine, only a totem xine plugin...
[07:39] <Sakkath> Lynoure: well i had 6.06 and i would like everything 7.04 has
[07:39] <Sakkath> Lynoure: everything 7.04 comes with with a default installation, that is
[07:39] <kubuntunomad> ty, ill try this out now
[07:40] <Lynoure> Sakkath: on your own risk you can just use the current repositories (see source-o-matic), but it's risky
[07:40] <Lynoure> Sakkath: likely to break your system, even
[07:40] <Sakkath> Lynoure: i've upgraded to feisty via dist-upgrade and my sources say feisty
[07:40] <Sakkath> and i reinstalled kubuntu-desktop
[07:41] <Sakkath> but does that mean i have everything that comes with a feisty install?
[07:41] <Lynoure> Sakkath: oh, I thought you meant you are still running 6.06 :)
[07:42] <Sakkath> Lynoure: what do you suggest i do to play wmv stream in my firefox on kbuntu
[07:42] <Sakkath> kubuntu*
[07:42] <Lynoure> Sakkath: it should, yes. But as direct ugrade from 6.06 to 7.04 is not supported, who knows
[07:42] <Sakkath> i went to edgy first
[07:42] <Lynoure> Sakkath: I don't do wmv at all, cannot have bothered to, as I have never needed it
[07:43] <Lynoure> Then you should be fine. Can make sense to recheck the sources.list
[07:43] <Lynoure> !source-o-matic
[07:43] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[07:43] <Sakkath> i have
[07:43] <Sakkath> and i've added seveas to get w32condecs
[07:43] <Sakkath> w32codecs*
[07:43] <Sakkath> but does that give me all that comes with 7.04?
[07:44] <Lynoure> Sakkath: the "give" and "all" are both a bit vague. It gives you the choice of the packages that are available from standard repos for 7.04
[07:45] <Sakkath> eh
[07:45] <Sakkath> i wouldn't know what comes with a fresh feisty install
[07:45] <Lynoure> If you have removed some of the stardard packages yourself, before upgrading, you might be missing some
[07:45] <Sakkath> i haven't
[07:45] <Lynoure> there are more unofficial sources for 7.04 than just Seveas.
[07:46] <Sakkath> indeed
[07:46] <Lynoure> What makes you feel you are missing something? and what do you feel you are missing? :)
[07:46] <Sakkath> i donno, i'm just not sure if i am or not
[07:46] <Sakkath> does feisty come with compiz? or do i need to install that on feisty too
[07:47] <Lynoure> I vaguely think it does
[07:47] <Sakkath> well that's certainly one thing i don't have
[07:47] <Sakkath> so i'm assuming i'm missing a lot?
[07:47] <Lynoure> it's another thing I don't use, as having a cube is not any more handy for me than having multiple desktops
[07:47] <Sakkath> but it sure is sexy
[07:48] <Daisuke_Ido> no sir, compiz is not sexy, margaret thatcher is sexy.
[07:48] <Lynoure> Sakkath: it needs to be activated, I think, and the choice is there just for ubuntu (guesswork and vague memories, you can check for yourself)
[07:48] <Sakkath> XD
[07:48] <Daisuke_Ido> and since i am quite obviously delusional, i need to go to bed.
[07:48] <Sakkath> Daisuke_Ido: 'night
[07:48] <Lynoure> and just for the cards that support it well
[07:50] <Sakkath> what does gnome call when i do 'Applications -> Add/Remove'
[07:50] <Sakkath> i do have synaptic but when i open it i don't see anything about 'All available applications' and i dont see ano Other in the let pane.. containing ubuntu restricted extras?
[07:52] <Soulwarp> i'm unable to play my dvd videos...
[07:52] <Sakkath> aw i wish the gxineplugin worked in-window as the wmv one does
[07:53] <stdin> Soulwarp: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/DVD
[07:54] <Soulwarp> stdin thx
[07:55] <ardchoille> Sakkath: If you're using the gnome desktop, you might be better off in #ubuntu. This channel is usually for kde stuff.
[07:56] <Sakkath> ardchoille: i am on kubuntu, that's why asked what does gnome call when that is pressed. the ubuntu wiki guide 'RestrictedFormats' says to do taht and i dont know what i should do instead for i am on kubuntu
[07:56] <Sakkath> and ahahaha, gxlineplugin, what the hell.. the sound is slow, this girl sounds manly!
[08:08] <Zombie> Adding screen resolutions 400x300, and 320x240
[08:08] <Zombie> ttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34495/ Original Xorg config
[08:09] <Zombie> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34494/
[08:09] <Zombie> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34493/
[08:09] <Zombie> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34492/
[08:09] <kubuntunomad> didnt work :(
[08:11] <ardchoille> Sakkath: Ok.
[08:13] <Sakkath> adept_installer doesn't find everything syanptic does...
[08:14] <stdin> Sakkath: it does, it uses the same sources..
[08:14] <Sakkath> stdin: it didn't find all the same xine thingies
[08:14] <stdin> Sakkath: make sure you're using the adept manager
[08:14] <Sakkath> ya
[08:14] <Sakkath> that finds it
[08:14] <Sakkath> but apept_installer doesn't
[08:14] <Sakkath> why?
[08:15] <stdin> because "adept_installer" is the add/remove app, it's not supposed to have all the packages on it
[08:15] <stdin> it's only for the main/popular packages
[08:15] <Sakkath> stdin: what is the add/remove app for gnome
[08:15] <Sakkath> because i'm on kubuntu and i wanna be able to pick the "ubuntu restricted extras" thingie that the wiki RestrictedFormats guide says to do in Applications -> Add/Remove and i'm not on gnome so i can't do that
[08:16] <stdin> it's not in kubuntu (yet)
[09:05] (phoenixz/#kubuntu) flaccid, adept manager then?
[09:05] (flaccid/#kubuntu) yeah. you are pretty much right
[09:06] (stdin/#kubuntu) phoenixz: for most things, they are in the repos, for others that automatix installs we can't make a repo, as it's illegal to redistribute some of these things
[09:06] (flaccid/#kubuntu) all that is needed is frontend that calls routines to add that repos of nonfree to the sources.list
[09:06] <stdin> but supporting unofficial packages is difficult anyway
[09:07] <phoenixz> stdin, if they want to do it legal or not is their business.. at least they should NOT kill the users computers..
[09:07] <stdin> bit of a catch22
[09:08] <kraut> moin
[09:08] <intelikey> kraut
[09:08] <phoenixz> phoenixz just loads the minigun.. screw aiming, lets just spray.. :)
[09:08] <flaccid> its just a matter of someone hosting a nonfree repos that hosts software which breaks licenses
[09:08] <intelikey> lead rain
[09:08] <flaccid> but thats what we need
[09:10] <kraut> intelikey?
[09:11] <phoenixz> cd ..
[09:11] <phoenixz> oops
[09:11] <intelikey> well    enough joking around about it.   i'll give my openion     what we (actually you, not i) need is to break ourselvs of wanting to use/access/play with/install/pay for/touch   restricted/non-free formats.
[09:11] <phoenixz> intelikey, okay, and now in a way 6 year olds (and people with 50 hours without sleep) can also understand it? :)
[09:11] <flaccid> if you do that in its entirity, you loose experience and accessibility
[09:12] <phoenixz> what flaccid says..
[09:12] <intelikey> phoenixz if it aint FOSS leave it alone.
[09:12] <ardchoille> phoenixz: 50 hours without sleep? That's one of the quickest ways to break things.
[09:12] <phoenixz> intelikey, sorry, FOSS?
[09:12] <flaccid> boss' don't like to here, i can't do my work because its not FOSS
[09:12] <intelikey> !foss
[09:12] <ubotu> freedom is important. Ubuntu is as free as we can make it, which means mostly free software. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/licensing
[09:12] <flaccid> i would get fired...
[09:13] <ardchoille> Free/Open Source Software (FOSS)
[09:13] <phoenixz> ardchoille, it usually is, specially me myself :)
[09:13] <flaccid> its superflous to say that you can all you need to do on FOSS only when file formats and other factors force you to use nonfree/de facto standards
[09:13] <phoenixz> intelikey, that was a big DOH! :) But well.. okay, only use FOSS.. But what about if I want to see this uber cool movie that needs non-FOSS stuff to play?
[09:14] <flaccid> what do you do when someone sends you a nonfree format. ask them for a free one, and they wtf??
[09:14] <flaccid> you don't ask someone to drive a car if they can't drive :)
[09:14] <intelikey> then you have looped to the first post phoenixz     stop the "want"   and you stop the problem.
[09:14] <phoenixz> intelikey, and then, what about when we are not talking abuot me but about these 500 million other computer noobs that just want to use their compu? If we want to get linux big, and want to get the options, it needs to be stong
[09:15] <phoenixz> intelikey, which would require us that linux will always and only be for the geeks.. no noob could ever touch it..
[09:15] <intelikey> """If we want to get linux big"""   <<< ?
[09:15] <stdin> flaccid: what do you do when you send a someone a .odf and they say, we want a .doc? you send a .doc or say wtf?
[09:16] <flaccid> stdin: depending on who it is i either ask them to get openoffice or i will send the .doc
[09:16] <intelikey> phoenixz methinks that that argument is based on circular reasoning.
[09:16] <ardchoille> phoenixz: For some of us, Linux is already "big". IMHO, Microsoft products died out in 2001, when I switched to Linux and haven't touched a M$ product since.
[09:16] <stdin> flaccid: then you have different rules for yourself than your friends
[09:16] <phoenixz> intelikey, If you want linux to be widely accepted as a mainstream OS.. right now, the only mainstream desktop OS'es are all prefixed with "Windows".. Id like that to change..
[09:16] <intelikey> phoenixz i.e.   linux is not the most used because less people use it...
[09:16] <flaccid> stdin: no i wouldn't ask a ceo to install Ooo
[09:17] <stdin> anyway, this is all a bit -ot :p
[09:17] <flaccid> i will ask my friends/non-business people
[09:18] <intelikey> phoenixz in the first place   i could hardly care any less whether anyone else uses linux or not.    so like i said.  you are basing your argument on a loop back.
[09:18] <phoenixz> intelikey, ardchoille: Ask your mother to use linux for a week.. See if she tries to kill you after that or not..  :) The problem is that where I am from (well, live), central mexico, people dont even know what linux is..
[09:18] <flaccid> our arguments are practical and address how people actually behave
[09:18] <intelikey> phoenixz my mother uses only FOSS   any other args ?
[09:18] <chupie> i am trying to get my wireless card to work, its a broadcom 4318 chipset, and i am trying ndiswrapper but when i do modprobe ndiswrapper it is saying that the module doesn't exist
[09:18] <intelikey> phoenixz and she is near 70 now.
[09:19] <phoenixz> intelikey, not really.. If you need to support half your family, and you need to reinstall the same @*#( computers every month because XP died again, then suddenly you will care :()
[09:19] <phoenixz> intelikey, If your mom only uses FOSS, I'd like to switch moms ;)
[09:19] <intelikey> phoenixz no M# here mate.
[09:19] <ardchoille> phoenixz: mom and dad both use CentOS, sis uses Fedora and my 8 year old niece uses Ubuntu.
[09:19] <intelikey> no M$   ooops
[09:20] <phoenixz> intelikey, The thing for me is that I see this GREAT system, linux, and it keeps loosing from the biggest pile of shit possible.. that cant be..
[09:20] <stdin> !language | phoenixz
[09:20] <ubotu> phoenixz: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[09:20] <stdin> not to mention..
[09:20] <stdin> !ot
[09:20] <phoenixz> stdin, you are very right, Im sorry
[09:20] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[09:20] <intelikey> the only people that think linux is "hard" are the ones that used M$ for *years  and linux for one day...
[09:21] <flaccid-> intelikey: you do realise that you just broke your own argument
[09:21] <phoenixz> intelikey, and those who try kubuntu for the first day and find it hard, drop back to their old addiction again :)
[09:21] <flaccid-> thats right people are used to m$ and they think linux is hard...
[09:21] <intelikey> flaccid-   which argument ?
[09:21] <flaccid-> this only people is millions upon millions
[09:21] <flaccid-> the argument for linux use
[09:22] <intelikey> phoenixz and.     like i said before.    i don't care what they use...
[09:22] <stdin> this is all a very nice discussion, but take it to #kubuntu-offtopic
[09:22] <phoenixz> Anybody cares to go to the offtopic channel?
[09:22] <flaccid-> im done.
[09:23] <intelikey> yeah me to....    for a change.
[09:23] <phoenixz> sure sure..
[09:23] <phoenixz> done
[09:24] <stdin> chupie: what model of broadcom?
[09:24] <intelikey> actually i will go   O T
[09:25] <jeffm> hi all, when i run "ps -e" in the command line there's too much output for me to read. how can i view the output page by page?
[09:26] <stdin> jeffm: ps -e | less
[09:26] <flaccid-> ps -e | more
[09:26] <stdin> or | more
[09:26] <flaccid-> more or less heh
[09:26] <flaccid-> excuse the pun
[09:26] <Zombie> Anyone here with Xorg experience?
[09:26] <flaccid-> yep
[09:26] <flaccid-> !ask
[09:26] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:26] <jeffm> ok thanks. but errrr, how do i type in the "|" character?
[09:27] <stdin> jeffm: didn't you just do it?
[09:27] <jeffm> no, i copied.
[09:27] <stdin> jeffm: for me it's Shift+\
[09:27] <flaccid-> its usually above the enter key (shift + \)
[09:27] <_buz> usually, when you hit ctrl-alt-esc i got the skull to kill apps, but in gutsy i just get a pointing cross (which does the same)
[09:27] <stdin> Alt-Gr+` too (for me)
[09:27] <jeffm> flaccid: oh cool. lol. i didn't know that. crazy stuff...
[09:28] <jeffm> thanks all
[09:31] <intelikey> stdin did you look in  o t
[09:32] <stdin> intelikey: yeah, I just read what you said there
[09:33] <alakhia> !apt build source
[09:34] <alakhia> !apt build
[09:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apt build - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:34] <Zombie> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34498/
[09:34] <Zombie> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34499/
[09:34] <intelikey> ircops ... hmmm
[09:34] <alakhia> !apt compile
[09:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apt compile - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:34] <flaccid-> im off
[09:35] <intelikey> @ ompaul :)
[09:35] <alakhia> does anyone know what I need to tell apt so it setup source code for me to compile for a package?
[09:36] <intelikey> apt-get source package
[09:36] <intelikey> apt-get source <package>
[09:36] <Zombie> Any help?
[09:37] <alakhia> ah, cool. Thanks, intelikey
[09:41] <alakhia> intelikey: configure doesn't find libz .... but I show zliblg already installed. So, then I try to install zlib1g-dev. But I get unmet dependencies
[09:42] <intelikey> libz != zlib
[09:42] <alakhia> zlib1g-dev: Depends: zlib1g (= 1:1.2.3-13ubuntu4) but 1:<IP_ADDRESS>.dfsg-5ubuntu2 is to be installed
[09:42] <alakhia> what to make of this?
[09:42] <ompaul> intelikey, moin
[09:42] <alakhia> oh!
[09:42] <intelikey> hey how are ya.
[09:43] <ompaul> intelikey, -offtopic or pm ;-)
[09:43] <intelikey> usually      yeah....
[09:43] <intelikey> :)
[09:43] <ompaul> haha
[09:43] <alakhia> I can't find libz ... under a different name?
[09:45] <intelikey> alakhia hmmm what is the exact error ?
[09:46] <alakhia> intelikey: I am trying to build digikam locally. configure says:  checking for libz... configure: error: not found. Possibly configure pics outdated version from XFree86. Remove it
[09:47] <alakhia> er, configure "picks"
[09:49] <stdin> alakhia: have you tried "sudo apt-get build-dep digikam" ?
[09:49] <alakhia> I looked in config.log.  conftest.c can't find "zlib.h"
[09:50] <alakhia> stdin: no, tried build-dep just now. Just gave me an error: Build-dependencies for digikam could not be satisfied.
[09:52] <alakhia> is my apt database hosed in some way?
[09:52] <stdin> alakhia: zlib.h is in the package zlib1g-dev
[09:53] <alakhia> If I install that package, I get this error: zlib1g-dev: Depends: zlib1g (= 1:1.2.3-13ubuntu4) but 1:<IP_ADDRESS>.dfsg-5ubuntu2 is to be installed
[09:53] <MilhousePunkRock> stdin: Looks like installing kdemultimedia solved the problem
[09:53] <alakhia> stdin: What does that mean?
[09:54] <stdin> alakhia: that installing zlib1g-dev should install the file configure is looking for
[09:54] <stdin> MilhousePunkRock: I wonder what it installed that the other packages needed to work...
[09:55] <alakhia> stdin: I understand that. But I can't install the package.
[09:55] <alakhia> stdin: apt-get complains about unmet dependencies.
[09:55] <MilhousePunkRock> stdin: There were some libs which I did not have installed yet, probably one of those did the trick... I will uninstall the unneeded apps from the metapackage one by one and see if it still works...
[09:55] <stdin> alakhia: post it to pastebin
[09:55] <alakhia> stdin: zlib1g-dev: Depends: zlib1g (= 1:1.2.3-13ubuntu4) but 1:<IP_ADDRESS>.dfsg-5ubuntu2 is to be installed
[09:55] <alakhia> stdin: that's it ...
[09:56] <stdin> alakhia: what version of kubuntu are you on?
[09:56] <alakhia> stdin: feisty
[09:56] <stdin> alakhia: post your sources.list to pastebin
[09:56] <alakhia> stdin: I did an update and upgrade a while back
[09:59] <dotz> hi i remember a way to rsync to a local computer without being prompt a password..its some kind of ssh key but i forgot how..can anyone guide me?
[10:00] <alakhia> stdin: http://pastebin.com/d1b78a407
[10:02] <llutz> dotz like this: http://www.linux.com/articles/113847
[10:02] <ardchoille> stdin: You might like line 55 in that pastebin link
[10:02] <stdin> I had notices that...
[10:03] <alakhia> stdin: I decided not to use automatix. It was going to pull megs of stuff.
[10:04] <ardchoille> alakhia: Why are you compiling digikam when it's in the repos?
[10:04] <harmental> i know it is not a Kubuntu question...but OO channel is not really responsive....is there a way to fully embed pictures in OO files? (i dont want to send the pictures along with the main file)
[10:04] <stdin> alakhia: post the output of "apt-cache policy zlib1g" and, as a "btw" never use automatix, ever, ever, ever
[10:04] <alakhia> ardchoille: I want the latest and greatest version! And if I have time, hack the code
[10:04] <ardchoille> ah, ok
[10:05] <alakhia> stdin: hahaha! Sure, I found ubuntuguide.org much better anyway.
[10:05] <alakhia> zlib1g:
[10:05] <alakhia>   Installed: 1:<IP_ADDRESS>.dfsg-5ubuntu2
[10:05] <alakhia>   Candidate: 1:<IP_ADDRESS>.dfsg-5ubuntu2
[10:06] <alakhia>   Version table:
[10:06] <alakhia>  *** 1:<IP_ADDRESS>.dfsg-5ubuntu2 0
[10:06] <alakhia>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[10:06] <stdin> !paste
[10:06] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:06] <alakhia> stdin: sorry
[10:07] <alakhia> stdin: http://pastebin.com/d7fc63f78
[10:07] <stdin> 1:<IP_ADDRESS>.dfsg-5ubuntu2 seem to either be a version you installed manually, or something the unspeakable thing installed
[10:07] <alephnaught> I have a question. I need to remove any directories in my music directory that are either empty or contain no music files. I presume this should be easy with a shell command, but I can't quite figure it out. Anyone?
[10:08] <alakhia> stdin: i didn't have autom#@^!& install anything
[10:08] <stdin> alakhia: try: sudo aptitude install zlib1g=1:1.2.3-13ubuntu4
[10:10] <alakhia> stdin: cool, that worked.
[10:10] <stdin> alephnaught: you can try "find /path/to/music -type d -empty -exec rmdir {} \; " to remove empty directories
[10:11] <alephnaught> cool, thanks. Any way to have it remove directories that don't contain *.mp3, *.ogg, *.aac, etc?
[10:11] <alakhia> stdin: thanks guys
[10:11] <stdin> alakhia: no problem
[10:12] <alephnaught> (that is, directories that have random junk in them like .nfo files and so on)
[10:12] <stdin> alephnaught: that's a little more difficult, I'll need to think about that
[10:12] <alephnaught> thanks :)
[10:13] <llutz> alephnaught: combine find with a "-not -name *.ogg...."
[10:13] <alephnaught> aha, cunning :)
[10:14] <stdin> alephnaught: that will only check directory names, not file names
[10:14] <alephnaught> ah
[10:14] <llutz> stdin: alephnaught 2nd find-cmd then
[10:14] <alakhia> alephnaught: another option would find be: find . -type f | grep -v mp3 | grep -v ogg | grep -v  .... | xargs rm
[10:15] <intelikey> yeah careful there.    when you start adding -o -a in find you loose tests pretty quiclky
[10:15] <ardchoille> What menu is this?  http://distrowatch.com/images/screenshots/mint-3.0-kde.png
[10:15] <ardchoille> That looks quite nice.
[10:15] <alephnaught> thanks chaps, I think I have some idea of what to do now
[10:15] <seanpcrowe> hey guys...
[10:15] <seanpcrowe> is there something wrong with the automatix servers atm???
[10:16] <ardchoille> !automatix | seanpcrowe
[10:16] <ubotu> seanpcrowe: Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[10:16] <seanpcrowe> i cant seem to download and install codecs...
[10:16] <ardchoille> seanpcrowe: automatix is very bad and we don't support it, if your system is still running you're lucky
[10:16] <alakhia> seanpcrowe: try http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#Getting_Started
[10:17] <seanpcrowe> ok dudes... thanks...
[10:17] <intelikey> alephnaught i would sujest generating a list of dirs to "not" rm  and then rm'ing the rest.       and  file is a good util  to detect the type of files you are playing with.      remember linux doesn't much care about file names .blah means nothing really.
[10:19] <intelikey> one might do something like     find /base/dir/ -type d | sort -u > list   and then use the "list" in a test of some sort.    while loop maybe.
[10:20] <stdin> alephnaught: probably what I would do is something like "find /path/to/search/ -type f -not -name "*.ogg" -not -name "*.aac" -not -name "*.mp3" -exec rm {} \;" then run the 1st find command again to then remove those now empty dirs
[10:20] <llutz> alephnaught:or           find /path/to/music \( -type d -empty -exec rmdir {} \) , \(-type f | grep -v mp3 | grep -v ogg  -exec rm {} \) \;
[10:21] <runlevelten> grep -e "\.mp3$" -e "\.ogg$"  etc. by the way :)
[10:21] <llutz>  not -exec, ^^|xargs rm ^^
[10:21] <intelikey> stdin -iname   could be caps in them
[10:21] <alakhia> one can also do the rm in two steps ... pipe the output to a file and make sure it is not going to remove any files you don't want. Then do the real remove.
[10:23] <runlevelten> If you're working by extensions, first, I'd make a script that lists the available file extensions in the system, then decide which ones to delete.
[10:23] <runlevelten> Safer.
[10:23] <emja> I just ran 'apt-get update' on my laptop (kubuntu 7.04, amd64), now compiz is dead. is anyone else experiencing this? does anyone have any pointers for further information? google didn't turn up anything of value.
[10:24] <intelikey> apt-get update  ???    not  upgrade ?
[10:24] <runlevelten> because it's going to such for someone who's early on in their bash development if they set their script running, then remember those flac or wma files tucked away in their music collection :)
[10:25] <intelikey> runlevelten that's why i said  "file"   look for file type media
[10:26] <emja> intelikey: err, that too. :-}
[10:27] <runlevelten> Yeah - that wouldn't be doing it by extensions.
[10:27] <runlevelten> :)
[10:27] <voln> good morning, I need gtk fronted archive manager . I'm use xarchiver, but when I try open a password protected rar archive I got eroor...
[10:28] <intelikey> !rar
[10:28] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[10:31] <intelikey> uhhh    i have no sound.    been on this box for three days  and just noticed.
[10:32] <stdin> btw, my  POSIX compliant find commands to do what alephnaught wanted http://pastebin.com/d1672abab
[10:34] <intelikey> stdin with upper and lower case ?
[10:34] <stdin> intelikey: yep
[10:34] <intelikey> :)
[10:35] <intelikey> ah yes.    and we hope there were no .wav .flac .wmv .blah .blah .blah ...
[10:35] <stdin> well, it can of course be added to
[10:36] <intelikey> yeah i know.   just razing ya  :)
[10:38] <dotz> llutz: hi are u there?
[10:39] <intelikey> i wonder why i don't have sound...      0000:00:01.4 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  SiS PCI Audio Accelerator (rev 02)       with modules  loaded    snd                    55268  10 snd_mpu401,snd_trident,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device
[10:39] <dotz> i've tried the site for root .. i can sucessfully ssh in using ssh -i ~/rsync-key
[10:39] <dotz> however i try the same steps for a user eg: dotz
[10:39] <dotz> it doesn't work
[10:39] <intelikey> does sis   use ac97 module ?
[10:42] <intelikey> dotz in the sshd_conf  the section called  "# Don't read the user's ~/.rhosts and ~/.shosts files "     check it out.
[10:46] <carsten> Hi...
[10:48] <intelikey> carsten
[10:51] <dotz> ohhhhhhhhh i got it
[10:51] <dotz> i modified the wrong authorized_keys
[10:59] <Sevenhill> Hi there
[11:00] <{__main__> i've got some troubles runnning userconfig, when I run it from konsole, it retries an error importing qtxml from kdeui, instead if i change it by 'from PyQt4 import QtXml' it works, but it conflicts with kdeui
[11:00] <carsten> hI Sevenhill...
[11:00] <Sevenhill> is there any bug entry which is releated to icons for .asc extention ?
[11:00] <{__main__> someone knows something?
[11:00] <dotz> in a #!/bin/sh script, how can i modify a input $1 eg: video123.avi  into video.avi  ?
[11:01] <Sevenhill> dotz:  you wantto make video123.avi to video.avi ?
[11:02] <Sevenhill> dotz:  use regex for that
[11:07] <intelikey> simplest    echo "$1" | tr -d '1234567890'
[11:08] <TBZ> anyone awake that has knowledge with dual booting 2 linux distros?
[11:08] <Sevenhill> TBZ it is really mess
[11:10] <TBZ> I basically need to know, how to list my drives/partition or whatever for mounting
[11:10] <Sevenhill> TBZ:  you mean in Grub list ?
[11:11] <TBZ> mm I'm trying to setup grub, yes
[11:11] <jussi01> grrr, can someone remind me how to put a background colour in in html?
[11:11] <llutz> TBZ: when installint 2ns distro, write grub into partition-BR (not MBR) and use chainload