[08:35] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq drafted [pull request #2732](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2732): ci: use spread from the store
[10:18] <Saviq> OK at least I know what broke. Interpreting all the escaping is, of course, working differently, depending on shell. 🤦♂
[10:36] <Saviq> And also. Guess what. `[ -d … ] && …` will error out if the dir isn't there 🤦
[10:42] <ogra> crazy!!
[10:53] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq marked [pull request #2732](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2732): ci: use spread from the store as ready for review
[11:31] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/wlcs]** Saviq edited [pull request #246](https://github.com/MirServer/wlcs/pull/246): ci: refresh Ubuntu
[11:31] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/wlcs]** Saviq marked [pull request #246](https://github.com/MirServer/wlcs/pull/246): ci: refresh Ubuntu as ready for review
[11:52] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/wlcs]** Saviq closed [pull request #249](https://github.com/MirServer/wlcs/pull/249): Update series we build in ci & ppa
[17:57] <Saviq> Good night o/


 How would the KC feel about commercial support from Altispeed replacing the mystery one we have now?
 @tsimonq2, To clarify, we can set prices. But it would be either commercial support for individuals or if a company wants a "Kubuntu approved commercial service" if they plan on mass deploying Kubuntu, they can handle that.
 I'll talk to Noah in person this weekend but numbers are up in the air. Shoot. :)
 I don't think we officially have one. I know about what our sites have.
 @ahoneybun, We have one listed on our site that nobody knows about.
 (meaning, within Kubuntu)
 Yeah I know.
[01:38] <valorie> tsimonq2: pm
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzuylNzpZIw
 Are we out the door yet?
 no. waiting for ubuntu to fix their live session and respin
 Ah
 So what are we doing with the banner?
[14:11] <acheronuk> urgh. forgot about that
 we need it bigger though 1024px is too small
 1024?
 @ahoneybun your images are 1024, and if I try to scale them up they lose sharpness
 (Photo, 1280x327) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/8AgRuv00/file_6181.jpg
 how is that?
 I sorta recreated it
 Well I made it for the banner on the site.
 so it is just 1024x264
 @ahoneybun, then it is too small
 That is how the current banner is.
 site banner needs 1500px
 1500x what?
 pixels
 by what
 I need another size
 1500x264?
 current one is 1500x386
 I'll redo it during lunch.
 I have the one I did that can go up as a stopgap until whenever
 can you make the "Bionic Beaver 18.04 LTS" test similar to that one in placement?
 (Photo, 1280x329) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/lWV3uHit/file_6185.jpg
 @acheronuk
 that's lost the evenness you did have :(
 I know but for that size it's tough with the Plasma wallpaper
 hmm
 Got the 4K wallpaper and redid it.
 (Photo, 1280x329) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/FK0VPffF/file_6187.jpg
 yeah, that is basically what I did
 @acheronuk xcf
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/oinbURQU/file_6188.xcf
 haha. to be honest, I bet the xcf there and the one I have are much the same. just a case of tweaking sizes and postions of the 3 bits!
 Most likely lol.
 As long as we have a banner there when the release announcement goes out, then Kool. we can always tweak it more.
 Yep.
 Let me know where we need to change it. I can also change the twitter one too.
 there is a problem with telling you how to tweak it. as naturally, I'll be telling you to make it look like mine 😛
 lol
 How do we feel about changing the twitter one to build up people?
 forwarded those to devel for Nate
 @ahoneybun, what does "build up people" mean?
 build up the suspense?
 @ahoneybun, I doubt many would notice! but yeah
[17:46] <valorie> ooo, still no release?
[17:46] <valorie> hmmm
 I tried a twitte one without the K gear, as we already have the gear as our user image?
 I passed my test, with eight off. I can only get 24 off.  … I got too far into the intersection for a left turn and I hesitated too much (which I intentionally did because I thought that was the right thing to do... But it costed me points)
[17:52] <ricktimmis[m]> Hey Great Banner, I love it
[17:53] <valorie> congratulations, tsimonq2
[17:53] <ricktimmis[m]> Congrats @tsimonq2
[17:53] <valorie> you wuz wrong about timing of release though
 Thanks :)
 @valorie, Yeeeaaaaahhhh
 Oh well
[17:54] <valorie> better a late fix than never
 valorie: I'll end up publishing announcements for Lubuntu when I get to your place.
 I need a nap.......
[18:00] <valorie> can't wxl do it?
[18:01] <valorie> i"m not done reading -release, but it seems like sloooooow progress
 Nah, I have some stuff I need to put in there yet that he doesn't know the whole details about.
[18:17] <valorie> ok, logjam seems broken
[18:17] <valorie> I'm marking our images ready
[18:18] <acheronuk> why?
[18:19] <acheronuk> valorie: they are being respun right now
[18:19] <valorie> ah
[18:20] <valorie> yeah, it says rebuilding
[18:20] <acheronuk> mark for testing reverts that?
[18:20] <valorie> are they respinning all ?
[18:20] <acheronuk> yes
[18:21] <valorie> yeah, that reverted that
[18:21] <acheronuk> the fix is in ubiquity. plus slideshow translations that got missed
[18:24] <valorie> looks like we have new ISOs
[18:28] <acheronuk> they are coming
[18:28] <valorie> yeah, the old test results are still on the page
[18:30] <acheronuk> they might vanish when the rebuild is published
[18:30] <acheronuk> [19:27] <acheronuk> so what QA do we do on these respins? sanity check on ubiquity and slideshows?
[18:30] <acheronuk> [19:28] <infinity> acheronuk: boot-install-reboot smoketest, make sure the slideshow kinda slideshows, and for gtkish flavours, check screen reader works.
[18:32] <valorie> we certainly can't do a whole retest at this late date
[18:32] <valorie> but I'll dig out my trusty usb drive One More Time
[18:39] <acheronuk> really we are testing that ubiquity and slideshows did not break obviously from the update, and that the reboot fix still works
[18:44] <valorie> there is a reboot fix?
[18:44] <valorie> I missed that
[18:44] <valorie> I'll do oem then
[18:44] <valorie> again
[18:45] <acheronuk> reboot fix was a previous re-spin
[18:45] <acheronuk> I'm losing track!
[18:45] <valorie> last night's test I still got my bug
[18:45] <valorie> and had to REISUM
[18:45] <valorie> B
[19:01] <ricktimmis[m]> I can do a full install test tomorrow night, if it helps
[19:02] <ricktimmis[m]> Onto the bare metal that is
[19:04] <valorie> now is the time, sorry
[19:04] <valorie> by tomorrow night we'll have a shiny new release
[19:04] <valorie> :-)
 whose share.kde.org account is our artwork on?
[19:11] <valorie> hmmm
[19:11] <valorie> no clue
 the vision meeeting pdf is there, so must be Rick or Ovi?
[19:23] <acheronuk> ricktimmis[m]: is the share.kde.org with our artwork in yours?
 I think it's @Ovidiu
 thanks
[22:21] <valorie> torrents are seeding


[00:20] <GeekDude> Crazy issue, but the graphics stack crashes when I go to the chrome download page in firefox
[00:21] <holstein> GeekDude: odd.. not sure that thats a "stack" issue..
[00:22] <holstein> interestingly enough, that happened to me on a windows vista machine i had just wiped and setup fresh the other day.. i grabbed the installer on another machine..
[00:22] <GeekDude> I forget what I did
[00:22] <GeekDude> wget I think
[00:23] <Unit193> Perhaps view the logs in /var/log/Xorg.0.log /var/log/lightdm/* and ~/.cache/upstart/startxfce4.log?
[00:24] <Unit193> https://dl.google.com/linux/direct/google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb though :P
[00:25] <GeekDude> For some reason the computer keeps saying "system program problem detected" as well
[00:27] <Unit193> Likely because a crash log in /var/crash/
[00:27] <holstein> GeekDude: when tryihng to run the installer deb?
[00:27] <GeekDude> just browsing to the page in firefox
[00:28] <GeekDude> I'd do some tests but I'm currently running apt-get upgrade
[00:28] <holstein> right.. as i said, i had that *same* issue in an older version of vista that had not been patched up and updated
[00:28] <holstein> i assumed it was flash related, or something on the page that the browser didnt render, or like to or understand nhow to render
[00:29] <holstein> i didnt report it to google..
[00:29] <GeekDude> oh, you mean the "system program problem detected" issue
[00:29] <GeekDude> I installed chrome a long time ago
[00:30] <GeekDude> this computer has just been sitting powered off for the last few months
[00:30] <GeekDude> I turned it on and got that popup twice
[00:30] <GeekDude> then got it again just now
[00:31] <holstein> sure.. so, it could be *anything*.. though, my first step,since its been offline, would be the update
[00:31] <GeekDude> That's what I'm doing now
[00:32] <GeekDude> I figured it couldn't hurt :p
[00:32] <holstein> then, i would test the hard drive and other components..
[00:35] <GeekDude> I finished the apt-get upgrade and rebooted
[00:35] <GeekDude> when I turned it back on I got that system program problem detected again
[00:36] <GeekDude> this time I also got a "Sorry, ubuntu 14.04 has experienced an internal error", it says the error is with /usr/share/apport/apportcheckresume
[00:36] <holstein> sure.. what problem? i get those messages all the time with ubuntu mate 14.04.. i read, filed what was necessary, and disabled the poppups
[00:37] <holstein> i would grab the exact error and try searching
[00:37] <elfy> also remove the crash report from /var/crash if you're not doing any more with it
[00:37] <elfy> if the report is sitting there I think it will keep trying
[00:38] <holstein> yup ^
[00:38] <elfy> running the *next* version I've aliased it ...
[00:38] <GeekDude> I'll get openssh-server installed and copy it over here to my computer
[00:42] <GeekDude> This is from the only file in /var/crash https://gist.github.com/66e188bc05521be21e35
[00:44] <GeekDude> I'm not opposed to just reformatting the system if you think it'd help
[00:44] <elfy> so let it report - if it's a dupe then it should ask you if you want to 'me too' existing
[00:50]  * GeekDude runs sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[00:50] <holstein> thats my regular routine.. "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[00:51] <GeekDude> well, I was kind of tied up with getting crash logs to finish updating
[00:52] <holstein> yeah. its cool, its just that there may be a patch applied that addresses soemthing
[00:55] <GeekDude> well, no crashes so far
[00:56] <GeekDude> firefox still crashes the graphics though
[00:56] <holstein> crashes the graphics?
[00:56] <GeekDude> yeah
[00:56] <holstein> try and isolate flash and other variables..
[00:57] <GeekDude> Well, I first noticed this issue on a clean install a few months ago
[01:01] <GeekDude> holstein: The symptoms of the
[01:01] <GeekDude> "crash" are that I can't see what's happening until I fool around with changing the VT and opening/closing the laptop lid
[01:02] <holstein> right, but whats the cause? i have a fresh install of vista, that is quite out of date.. it crashed on some web content, but, i expected that
[01:02] <GeekDude> /var/log/Xorg.0.log says "Detected a hung GPU, disabling acceleration"
[01:03] <holstein> you mean, just opening firefox crashes the graphics?
[01:03] <GeekDude> and to include /sys/class/drm/card0/error and the full dmesg
[01:03] <holstein> you can try disbling or enabling acceleration..
[01:03] <GeekDude> holstein: opening firefox and browsing to http://google.com/chrome
[01:04] <holstein> ah.. what content is at that page, though? can you look? and see what is creating the issue? i would use another browser to view the elements
[01:04] <GeekDude> Well, they have a fancy 3d javascript display
[01:05] <holstein> i bet
[01:05] <GeekDude> ok, graphics aren't crashing anymore but firefox still is
[01:05] <holstein> but, if you dont have a "fancy 3d javascript ready" browser, then, you may get crashes, or breakage
[01:05] <holstein> for me, i would just wget the deb, if i need it
[01:05] <holstein> i wouldnt bother with making my firefox compatible with that one page..
[01:06] <GeekDude> I've already got chrome and it works fine on that page
[01:06] <holstein> there are a lot of changes and updates coming for technologies..
[01:06] <holstein> no need to try and make firefox compatible with a page you dont really need access to
[01:06] <GeekDude> Well, I was just kind of curious
[01:06] <GeekDude> it leaves a bad impression
[01:07] <holstein> of?
[01:07] <GeekDude> Xubuntu, at the least
[01:07] <knome> wow. now you lost me in the thought process...
[01:07] <holstein> yeah? but, xubuntu is not responsible for any of the stuff there.. not the page, or firefox code.. etc
[01:08] <GeekDude> Doesn't leave a bad impression on me, but it left somewhat of an impression on my father
[01:08] <holstein> i mean, if google wants to push the limits, then, they'll get pushed, and some things get left behind
[01:08] <GeekDude> he thinks it's some kind of anti-google conspiracy by mozilla
[01:08] <knome> so what has that got to do with xubuntu?
[01:08] <holstein> GeekDude: so what if it is.. they make competing products..
[01:16] <GeekDude> Xorg.0.log https://gist.github.com/928804c1390a1de6f0d0 and the specified file https://gist.github.com/b2441db5253591eea993 and dmesg https://gist.github.com/d74a6db4b529b1563560
[01:17] <GeekDude> in case anyone wants to look through them
[01:26] <xubuntu45w> How can I upgrade the official kernel of Xubunto ( 3.13) to 3.16?
[01:29] <Unit193> You can't upgrade the official kernel of Xubuntu to 3.16.
[01:44] <Unit193> Oh right, hwe.
[02:47] <eikon81g> Is there anyone available to take a question regarding an issue in Ubuntu 14.10 and Xfce regarding the volume buttons (fn+vol up /dn/mute)
[02:47] <eikon81g> ?
[02:58] <bluesabre> eikon81g: what's your question?
[02:58] <eikon81g> thanks I will copy paste what I had written out..
[03:00] <eikon81g> I am using Ubuntu 14.10 with xfce and when I was running unity my volume controls on the keyboard (fn + vol up / fn + vol dn / fn + mute) worked fine but after the xfce install (or so I think) the volume buttons quit working. I did some research and I have the Indicator plugin running to make volume adjustments which works fine but I'd like to have my buttons available to use. After researching some I saw that there are bug repo
 rts in place already for this issue but I was unable to get my buttons working again after following a few of the fixes that were posted in the ubuntu forums. I don't recall the exact commands but they had to do with resetting pule info in a .dconf file I believe.. I may need to do some more research / investigating but I figured this would be a good avenue to get going in the right direction.. Thanks in advance
[03:01] <eikon81g> thanks bluesabre btw..
[03:03] <Unit193> (My idea was either to install the xubuntu task to make sure he's not missing settingsd or something, or try a live image from the Xubuntu website to see if it has the same issues.)
[03:04] <bluesabre> that's probably the way to go... there can be conflicting things when running alongside unity, something other than xfce may have claimed the keybindings for your volume buttons
[03:04] <eikon81g> Live image? Like a bootable usb of the distro?
[03:04] <Unit193> eikon81g: Right, a clean slate so to speak.
[03:05] <eikon81g> ok I see what you are saying there.. So try running a live image of xubuntu standalone. test the key functions and if they work properly then the issue lies in a setting that has more or less been over-run?
[03:05] <bluesabre> you can also install the "xubuntu-desktop" package and when logging in make sure to select the "Xubuntu Session" session
[03:06] <Unit193> bluesabre: apt-get install xubuntu-desktop^ if you please. ;)
[03:06] <bluesabre> yeah, that :)
[03:06] <eikon81g> ah ha. I can do that : )
[03:06] <bluesabre> I usually don't help out in the support channel
[03:06] <bluesabre> :)
[03:06] <eikon81g> well I appreciate it (both of ya)
[03:06] <rww> ^ makes it install the task, not the metapackage, right?
[03:07] <Unit193> rww: Right.  Bad things™ happen with just the package, it'll miss things.
[03:07] <eikon81g> >> eikon81g@eikon81g-MM061:~$ sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[03:07] <eikon81g> [sudo] password for eikon81g:
[03:07] <eikon81g> Reading package lists... Done
[03:07] <eikon81g> Building dependency tree
[03:07] <eikon81g> Reading state information... Done
[03:07] <eikon81g> xubuntu-desktop is already the newest version.
[03:07] <eikon81g> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 7 not upgraded.
[03:08] <bluesabre> Unit193, rww: ah, now I've learned something :)
[03:08] <eikon81g> so were there any changes? (I am pretty much a noob on Linux) so sorryu
[03:09] <eikon81g> metapackage? Oh man I have a lot to learn
[03:10] <eikon81g> fml I just got assigned BATH duty with the kiddo I am going to hang around and if you guys are still here and available I will be back If not I will keep cruising. You don't know how much it means to get some top notch support like this. I really appreciate it and I promise if I could avoid leaving right now I totally would.. BrB
[03:12] <Unit193> eikon81g: You already have the metapackage, can you try 'xubuntu-desktop^' rather than 'xubuntu-desktop'?  Also, might be good to check if there are any unity or gnome components running that could interfere.
[03:12] <bluesabre> eikon81g: I need to head out now as well.  Be sure to try switching sessions in the login screen and select the Xubuntu session, it may resolve the issue... otherwise you can get a clearer picture with a live image as previously suggested
[03:12] <Unit193> Right, exactly what he said.
[03:13] <eikon81g> kk I will get on this asap thanks a million yall
[04:06] <eikon81g> I am back at it (if you guys are still here..) the command with the ^ ran and it made some changes ..
[04:07] <eikon81g> Once it runs do I need to restart?
[04:10] <eikon81g> restarting.. be back soon
[04:15] <eikon81g> well no dice after restart using the command with ^ included..
[04:47] <Dave42> hea all
[04:48] <Dave42> need help how do i fix the black screen bug in 14.10
[04:50] <pleia2> if you apply all updates it should go away
[04:51] <Dave42> i did
[04:53] <eikon81g> !log
[04:54] <Dave42> so what do i now then to fix it
[04:56] <eikon81g> did you install the video drivers specific to your hardware? (just wondering) I am really not qualified to help but I like to learn
[04:56] <Dave42> let me look
[04:57] <eikon81g> there is a terminal command that I used, my machine has an nvidia chipset
[04:57] <Dave42> says no drivers available
[04:58] <eikon81g> http://www.tecmint.com/things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-14-10/
[04:58] <eikon81g> it has a section like halfway down about installing the closed source drivers..
[04:58] <eikon81g> do you know what video hardware you have?
[04:59] <eikon81g> Like I said I am far from proficient I just wanted to try to help :\ I may not be doing much sorry..
[04:59] <Dave42> ati card
[05:00] <eikon81g> For AMD graphics card, “Radeon” is the open-source driver and it’s installed by default in Ubuntu 14.10 as well, but if you want to install the closed-source driver, you will have to run.
[05:00] <eikon81g> $ sudo apt-get install fglrx fglrx-amdcccle
[05:01] <eikon81g> so that may help some issues.. but there may be more to it..
[05:02] <Dave42> ok
[05:02] <eikon81g> when does the issue happen? After you come back from sleep or?
[05:02] <Dave42> doing it right now
[05:02] <eikon81g> ok you will want to restart afterwards and then try to re-create the issue once you boot back up..
[05:02] <Dave42> the monitor just goes to sleep after a few minutes
[05:03] <eikon81g> right is there acpi settings in your bios that could be triggering it?
[05:04] <Dave42> dotn think so
[05:04] <eikon81g> I'd look into the power settings on your hardware as well just to make sure there is not a setting in there..
[05:04] <eikon81g> just a thought. No problem
[05:05] <Dave42> where would that be at
[05:05] <eikon81g> in the bios it really depends is it a laptop or a desktop
[05:05] <eikon81g> ?
[05:05] <Dave42> desktop
[05:06] <eikon81g> ok so in the BIOS there may be a selection for ACPI or Power settings and I'd look for anything that says sleep or hibernate
[05:06] <eikon81g> disable those if they are there..
[05:07] <eikon81g> again just another troubleshooting step eventually you will narrow it down.. I may not be the one to lead you there directly but as you troubleshoot we may stumble on it or someone may read what we've done and get to the issue directly
[05:07] <eikon81g> are you on the machine now?
[05:08] <Dave42> yes
[05:09] <Dave42> want me to restart?
[05:10] <eikon81g> if you did the graphics driver install I would.. did the terminal complete the install?
[05:10] <Dave42> yes
[05:10] <eikon81g> ok yea, I would restart and see if that fixed it. How long does it take for your monitor to go to sleep? Is it always happening at a set increment?
[05:11] <Dave42> a few minutes
[05:13] <eikon81g> so you just leave the machine up and when you come back from being away and the screen just wont turn back on.. you just have to hold the power button to reboot it right?
[05:13] <Dave42> move the mouse or touch teh spacebar and it comes back
[05:14] <eikon81g> did you read the bug notes?
[05:14] <eikon81g> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1283938
[05:15] <eikon81g> oh that is the 14.04 bug my fault
[05:16] <Dave42> ok i install teh ati drivers so i just have to restart and it should go away huh
[05:17] <eikon81g> it may fix it..
[05:20] <remline> ..."Have you mooed today?"...
[10:11] <kblin> hi folks
[10:12] <kblin> I have a fun issue with my graphics sometimes resetting to an old state (eg. at login time), which then requires forcing the screen to redraw to see my windows again
[10:13] <kblin> any idea what could be causing this?
[10:13] <kblin> it's happening occasionally, but today it's really, really annoying
[10:19] <cfhowlett> kblin, desktop/laptop?
[10:24] <kblin> cfhowlett: desktop
[10:24] <cfhowlett> kblin, most likely suspects given a sudden appearance of this problem:  graphics card failing or card isn't seated properly.
[10:25] <cfhowlett> kblin, if a long-standing problem: gpu drivers
[10:26] <kblin> I've seen this again and again, so I also suspect the drivers
[10:26] <kblin> It's on an nvidia card, running nouveau drivers
[10:27] <kblin> basically what ubuntu installed, I didn't do anything with it
[10:27] <kblin> but I'm also not offered to install the binary divers
[10:31] <kblin> I also suspect it's related to browser tabs running flash, so I have the hunch it's more the 2d drawing code
[10:33] <kblin> I'll try installing them manually
[10:34] <cfhowlett> kblin, sounds like a plan.
[10:34] <kblin> just have a long-running compute job going at the moment that'll take a couple of more days to finish, but I guess I'll have to cope
[10:34] <kblin> hmm, or it's acting up if I have LibreOffice open
[10:35] <cfhowlett> kblin, when you see graphics glitches across apps like that = hardware or drivers issue.
[10:35] <kblin> well, it's xorg that glitches
[10:35] <kblin> but yes, I guess it's a driver issue
[10:35] <cfhowlett> :) or that ...
[10:36] <kblin> it's just weird that jockey doesn't even offer to install the nvidia binary driver
[10:36] <cfhowlett> kblin, hey, more eyes available in #ubuntu
[10:37] <kblin> right, but then I'll just get into discussions on how xfce is the reason and I should be using that annoying new ubuntu thing instead, whatever it was called
[10:37] <cfhowlett> LOL, yeah we do sometimes get a bit myopic over there.
[10:38] <kblin> I mean, I'm also pretty sure that this isn't an XFCE issue, but I've had too many of those discussions
[10:38] <cfhowlett> kblin, completely understandable
[10:39] <kblin> I'm not entirely fond of xfce, I really liked the way gnome 2 worked
[10:39] <kblin> but as that's pretty dead, xfce is the least annoying variant I found
[10:40] <kblin> and in the end of the day, I want to get my work done, not fiddle with desktop environments
[10:41] <cfhowlett> kblin, there is ubuntu-gnome   official flavor
[10:42] <kblin> right, but that's gnome3, which also goes for this "let's not give the user any reasobable way to configure the look&feel" philosophy
[10:43] <elfy> maybe mate - that's likely to be official soon
[10:47] <kblin> might give that a try once it is
[11:14] <jatt> I don't seen much difference between gnome 2 and xfce they work very similaar
[11:46] <skinofstars> hey all. does xubuntu use lightdm?
[11:47] <slickymasterWork> yes skinofstars
[11:47] <skinofstars> slickymasterWork: thanks
[11:48] <slickymasterWork> np
[16:23] <eikon81g> Bluesabre: are you around?
[16:24]  * sidi sends a squad of rabid squirrels to bluesabre's house to wake him up
[16:24] <eikon81g> lol I was working with him a lilttle last night on an issue.. got a good lead from him and unit193 I just wanted to thank them : )
[16:24] <sidi> ah thats very kind of you
[16:25] <sidi> I'll cancel the squirrels then
[16:25] <eikon81g> Loll
[16:25] <sidi> i'll tell them when i see them on
[16:25] <eikon81g> Well it was the least I could do. Thank you.. I figured I may end up needing more help down the line, ya know..
[16:25] <eikon81g> thanks
[16:25] <sidi> :-)
[16:25] <sidi> no worries
[16:26] <sidi> you can also help by advocating Xfce and FOSS, reporting bugs you encounter, etc :-)
[16:26] <sidi> anyway
[16:26]  * sidi goes back to work
[16:27] <eikon81g> will do
[19:14] <eikon81g> Hello all I had a question about the Xubuntu 14.10 Live distro..
[19:15] <holstein> eikon81g: sure.. ask.. maybe a volunteer can answer
[19:16] <eikon81g> I am testing out the functions and they are working great but I have one issue with the boot time. I have been running Ubuntu 14.10 with Xfce installed and it was pretty quick but I was having issues with the hard volume keys on my machine
[19:16] <eikon81g> thanks holstein
[19:16] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LaptopSpecialKeys is what i would refer to
[19:16] <eikon81g> Everything is running fine on the live distro but the boot time is excruciating. Probably 7+minutes to load up
[19:17] <eikon81g> I will check that out holstein
[19:17] <holstein> the "boot time" will be different when installed.. though, if something is hanging, due to misconfiguration, or bad/failing hardware, who knows
[19:17] <Unit193> Remove  quiet splash  from the boot options to see what.
[19:17] <holstein> i will install, and update.. and use the most up to date software, and test and isolate
[19:18] <eikon81g> Ok is there a log that I can look at? someone was saying var/??.log
[19:18] <holstein> yup ^ you can see what is posting with the quietsplash option
[19:18] <Unit193> /var/log/boot.log
[19:18] <holstein> eikon81g: sure, but, for me, i would want to simply remove the live iso from the equation, since, its not going to run live, and, i would want to apply "updates" as see if a "Fix" is there
[19:19] <eikon81g> ok. I will go with that so I may just dive in and do the full install check the boot time and if it is slow then I will run the quietsplash option
[19:19] <eikon81g> one other thing this machine uses "SpeedStep" and that option is in my bios is that ubuntu friendly?
[19:19] <eikon81g> thanks Unit193 as well you guys are great :)
[19:20] <holstein> eikon81g: try disabling it.. if they company wants to faciliate "ubuntu friendly" they can.. if not, try setting options in the bios and see what happens
[19:21] <eikon81g> right on I was just checking with the brains of the operation to see if there were any users who had improvements or what not with this hardware and that setting.
[19:23] <holstein> eikon81g: dont know what hardware you have, but, i have disabled that in the bios, as well as other "features" to faciliate installing an operating system the hardware didnt promise support for, specifically
[19:24] <eikon81g> ok cool. I didn't want to disable it since it is "working" (from what I can tell) so if I wont lose any speed in doing so then I will probably take that oout of the equation as well
[19:25] <eikon81g> I was downloading the system profiler and benchmark software as we speak to double check some stuff as well
[19:25] <holstein> i would read about what "speed step" is, and does.. disabling it likely will disable CPU scaling, and not make the machine any slower
[19:25] <holstein> might, in fact, make it faster.. or cause it to use moree battery.. you'l have to test and isolate and see..
[19:26] <eikon81g> gotcha holstein I will digg in a little. I really appreciate the assistance
[19:26] <holstein> eikon81g: sure.. welcome
[19:29] <eikon81g> I was looking at the boot.log to see if I can see any obvious issues with the boot what usually designates an issue or can you tell what processes are taking the longest (sorry all just learning all the ins and out's I'll get better)
[19:29] <holstein> well, i would first get a normal boot happening..otherwise, you are using older packages, and booting live
[19:31] <eikon81g> ah ha this makes sense. LOL I will go that route and pick back up if there are issues.
[19:32] <holstein> eikon81g: well, you should backup becuase *all* hard drives will fail.. you should make backups regardless, and ASAP
[19:33] <eikon81g> will do, I am experimenting with a few setups at the moment and so far I am a fan of the Xubuntu appearance so I may just scrap my last install and run this one fresh
[19:35]  * eikon81g bows graciously to holstein and unit193
[19:35] <eikon81g> Thanks again, I'll be back after I tinker.. :)
[19:35] <holstein> eikon81g: cheers
[19:36] <eikon81g> later
[20:58] <thoffmeyer> ill see if I can find a pic
[21:00] <eikon81g> hey holstein are you around?
[21:04] <holstein> eikon81g: yup
[21:15] <eikon81g> Sorry I was chatting in the other room about what we were talking about earlier (SpeedStep) I wasn't sure my processor was running at the right speed but it turns out it's fine
[21:16] <eikon81g> I was gonna ask you since you said you run a similar one. I think I got it.
[21:16] <eikon81g> Sorry to bug :\
[21:16] <holstein> no worries
[21:16] <holstein> its just scaling, AFAIK
[21:16] <holstein> i remember disabling it when i had it, so it would perform at full speed
[21:17] <eikon81g> that's what I was thinking because this machine runs plugged in so to me the power saving isn't worth the loss of speed
[21:18] <eikon81g> they said to leave it on and in my research earlier it said that Ubuntu could work with speed step fine so I was on the ence i may do what we were talking about and just run with it off to see what changes
[21:19] <eikon81g> they said to leave it on and in my research earlier it said that Ubuntu could work with speed step fine so I was on the fence i may do what we were talking about and just run with it off to see what changes
[21:19] <eikon81g> Weird, idk why my chat line got cut in half but sorry about that.
[21:24] <holstein> eikon81g: it literally wont hurt. i test with it off, *if* iim experiencing boot issues.. but, you are not certain of that yet
[21:24] <Cold_Inz> Hello, was wondering if someone could help me understand why xfce becomes so slow in response on menus and programs after idle 15mins+, disappears right after, it's like the first click or action, but it's very annoying. I've checked all I know, and google says alotta things, and I've tried most. glxgears says videodrivers are fine, tried putting gtk-2.0 file with info in home directory, and putting down swappiness usage to 10 (I have 1gb ram
[21:24] <Cold_Inz> ). Any ideas?
[21:25]  * eikon81g watches intently
[21:26] <Cold_Inz> Using 14.04
[21:26] <holstein> Cold_Inz: has this always been happening? have you run other versions of the linux kernel? have you tried with other drivers like forcing a vesa driver? what GPU drivers are you using?
[21:27] <Guest3473> what a beautiful distribution!
[21:27] <Guest3473> I think I will install xubuntu on my pc
[21:28] <eikon81g> Guest3473 I've been enjoying it. Totally worth it
[21:28] <Cold_Inz> tried lxde for abit, didn't notice it there. have tried other themes and such, no luck. this is a dell latitude d620, so integrated intel card I think, using the driver that xubuntu preferred
[21:28] <Guest3473> I tried Lxde on my netbook as well
[21:28] <Guest3473> I mean, lxde is installed on my netbook
[21:28] <holstein> Cold_Inz: have you tried specifically disabling compositing?
[21:28] <Guest3473> but I don't really like it
[21:29] <Cold_Inz> Yes, tried disabling, no luck.
[21:29] <holstein> Cold_Inz: so, you didnt "noticet" it? in lxde? in 14.04? on the same hardware? and install?
[21:30] <holstein> Cold_Inz: what i would do is isolate, and try and see where the issue is coming from.. i would isolate my installed OS by running a live iso, that i know supported the hardware well in the past.. and i would try and test with the officially supported operating sytem as well, to see if the hardware is funcitoning properly
[21:30] <holstein> i would do a smart test, and memory test.. and i would run as another user, as well.. the guest account, for example, would bypass my user config
[21:32] <xubuntu04w> hi
[21:32] <Cold_Inz> remember that this is only after some minutes idle, the response is slow in menus and programs on first action, then it's back to normal, so it's hard to think that it's the hardwares fault
[21:33] <xubuntu04w> hi
[21:33] <xubuntu04w> how to adjust the brightness of the display?
[21:33] <holstein> Cold_Inz: sure, but, testing will show you that thats not the case
[21:33] <holstein> Cold_Inz: so, i would make a list, and work through it.. tryng to look at logs and messages as well..
[22:27] <eikon81g> I installed the nvidia specific video drivers and now when I boot I noticed that the splash screen (I think it's called) is now just a black screen with Xubuntu 14.10 in white with a . . . below it instead of the normal Blue Xubuntu screen I was used to
[22:28] <eikon81g> I don't think it's an issue but is there some way to tweak the Nvidia setings to get the original splash screen back?
[22:28] <Poisoned_Dragon> yes
[22:28] <Poisoned_Dragon> but, it's not the nvidia settings
[22:29] <eikon81g> I was hoping so.. Also the Nvidia logo screen flashes up during boot and returning from sleep
[22:29] <eikon81g> Ok thanks Poisoned I appreciate your help
[22:31] <Poisoned_Dragon> just search for plymouth nvidia fix, in google
[22:31] <Poisoned_Dragon> many different paths.
[22:31] <Poisoned_Dragon> generally the same. there may be subtle differences.
[22:31] <eikon81g> okie dokie thanks for the direction. I will do my best :)
[22:31]  * eikon81g gives thumbs up
[22:31] <eikon81g> tyvm
[22:32]  * Poisoned_Dragon does success kid fist pump.
[22:34] <eikon81g> I just got assigned a task so I'll be back in a bit
[23:51] <eikon81g> !log


[00:00] <dax> if so: one of these days I should probably play that game until I successfully land something. last time I poked at it the flights were very... one-way
[00:01] <tgm4883> yea
[00:01] <tgm4883> My space station is a nasty mess right now
[00:01] <daftykins> Kerbicide
[00:08] <Ben64> you can make spacestations in ksp?
[00:13] <tgm4883> Ben64: yea. With stock, it's limited to just joining pieces together with the little docking ports. But with mods, apparently your kerbals can get out and attach struts and stuff
[00:13] <tgm4883> I've got a mission to make a moon base somehow too
[00:16] <Ben64> i should buy that game
[00:17] <tgm4883> I think it's pretty fun
[00:17] <tgm4883> There's a mod that adds multiplayer too
[00:17] <tgm4883> which is neat
[00:19] <OerHeks> hmmm
[04:27] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:45] <ducasse> morning
[11:22] <BluesKaj> hi all
[16:30] <tgm4883> nacc: how come we can't have more polite people like that
[16:31] <nacc> tgm4883: global statistics -- it's not just us, in my experience (meaning amongst the many people I interact with daily, we're hitting the same statistics of nice people). Then again, I blame the hipsters in Portland for that :)
[16:31] <tgm4883> nacc: you're in portland?
[16:32] <nacc> tgm4883: yep
[16:32] <tgm4883> nacc: nice, I work in Lake Oswego
[16:32] <nacc> tgm4883: small world! :)
[16:32] <tgm4883> lol, I feel like I should  have known that since we're both in the oregon channel
[16:33] <nacc> tgm4883: heh, just made that connection myself :)
[16:34] <dax> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-June/039420.html
[16:35] <nacc> dax: yep, and shuttleworth chimed in a bit later :)
[16:35] <tgm4883> dax: sounds like a plan to me
[16:35] <nacc> sarnold's point is very good, though (same thread), providing i386 in a non-LTS and then removing it in the next LTS gives users no support path. Seems better to remove it in 16.10
[16:47] <tgm4883> nacc: I was going to argue against that but then I read his whole response and it makes sense to me. Dropping isos for 16.10, although the i386 repos should remain through 2021
[16:50] <nacc> tgm4883: right, just don't let there be new installs (aiui) easily
[16:51] <nacc> it sounds like mini and other d-i automated builds might still exist
[17:00] <daftykins> 32-bit is getting the chop? nice
[17:01] <nacc> tgm4883: looks like slangasek chimed in, so the 18.04 plan will stick :)
[17:03] <tgm4883> nacc: nice. All this is kinda a moot point for me. All my boxes run amd64, and I'm probably dropping the Mythbuntu ISO completely
[17:03] <nacc> tgm4883: yeah, i've not touched i386 in some time, except when debugging issues other people hit :)
[17:08] <daftykins> i still run my IRC and small web server VM here as 32-bit to reduce RAM use, but other than that niche i don't think i'd run anything 32-bit, mmm
[17:08] <nacc> daftykins: was/is it a noticeable memory consumption difference?
[17:09] <daftykins> i can't say i've seen any numbers first hand, so it might be more in my head by this point
[17:09] <daftykins> only got 4GB RAM in my file server sadly :/ old school DDR2 core 2 duo still for now
[17:11] <nacc> daftykins: np
[17:12] <daftykins> little 14.04 running apache and irssi :)
[19:51]  * tgm4883 just found out we have to move a data center :(
[19:53] <daftykins> ruh roh
[19:54] <Bashing-om> tgm4883: Sweat condition 5, and big bucks to make it happen ?
[19:55] <tgm4883> Bashing-om: possibly. We have some other guys that deal with the hardware more than I do, so they'll travel and move everything. But it means failing over applications to the DR site which is a fair amount of work
[19:56]  * tgm4883 blames the brits
[19:57] <daftykins> pulling servers out of London?
[19:57] <tgm4883> yep
[19:57] <daftykins> seems a bit knee-jerk
[19:57] <Bashing-om> overtime ! and the real big bucks ! Oh what joy !
[19:57] <tgm4883> We already have clients calling about it
[20:04] <Bashing-om> Bringing up a data center, no matter how much testing is done prior to going live, always those side issues not aware of . Ouch, where did that truck come from ?
[20:12] <tgm4883> Bashing-om: +1
[21:06] <Bashing-om> Gonna go cut grass for a bit .. be back soonest .
[23:36] <Bashing-om> Aaaaannndddd back .
[23:51] <OerHeks> Hay
[23:53] <daftykins> :D
[23:53] <daftykins> grass all murdered?
[23:55] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Unfortunately not ALL .. 6 acres .. a bit at the time . It never ends till it snows .
[23:55] <daftykins> :O
[23:56] <Bashing-om> I get around just in time to start all over .
[23:58] <JanC> buy a sheep/goat/donkey


We're releasing a new development version of UnityX (dev6) with the following changes:* A completely redesigned panel and a new dock that are both identical to those of Unity7.* A redesigned launcher, similar to that of Unity7 (I’ll be working on adding support for scopes and lenses).* Support for changing the icon theme (through unity-control-center).Full post: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/restarting-u


[15:49] <ikonia> DJones: he was doing it the other days as Allah432 or something like that
[15:49] <DJones> Cheers, not been that aware for the last few days, so hadn'tspotted it
[15:50] <ikonia> there is an entry in BT for Allah and he's done it as another user
[15:50] <ikonia> I can dig out the entries if it's needed
[15:50] <DJones> Not for me, no point, I'm having blackout/memory issues, so no point, if I don't see something there and then, its gone at the moment
[16:38] <k1l> that troll might come back
[16:39] <k1l> orel920<EMAIL_ADDRESS> there he is


[23:18] <c_smith> does anyone even talk here anymore?
[23:23] <wxl> c_smith: yep, but it's usually me, apparently talking to myself.
[23:24] <c_smith>  caffeine lol, seems like it, gonna have to idle here more.
[23:24] <c_smith> wools....
[23:24] <c_smith> *woops. forgot I still had caffeine typed in the text bar. XD
[23:25] <wxl> c_smith: where you from in or?


[02:48] <elliot_> Hi
[02:48] <elliot_> IRC chat is cool
 Even after clearing clipboard it's still fucking stuck : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/8ad549e6/file_47134.jpg
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/238de1a5/file_47135.jpg
[05:26] <CoJaBo> ?
 I had to archive it and copy instead >.<
 I noticed it fails to copy files in bulk
 This may also happen when the smartphone sometimes goes into hibernation mode and becomes auto locked
[08:12] <atf75> I am using the 20.04.2 LTS
[08:12] <atf75> Any one saw the Random change MAC ADRESS ?
[08:12] <atf75> it works
[08:21] <alkisg> Yeah it works
[12:00] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:03] <user|44> Hello World.
[16:30] <TJ-> what's the hotkey to access an application's Window menu?
[16:31] <TJ-> conventionaly it was Alt+space but that's bringing up a search bar
[18:12] <tomreyn> it's alt+space in gnome-land
[18:15] <genii> TJ-: Alt+F3 seems to work
[18:16] <TJ-> genii: yeah; someone pointed me to that in #ubuntu but it's hardly discoverable! And none of the menus on Konsole, for example, have accelerator keys to get to those menus
[18:16] <genii> Yes, it's somewhat annoying
[18:17] <TJ-> not great for accessibility :(
[18:21] <genii> TJ-: Settings... Configure Konsole  ... General tab seems to have a checkbox for enable/disable
[18:21] <genii> ( menu accelerators functionality)
[18:22] <genii> Yep, that works
[18:23] <genii> ( here on my 18.04 anyhow)
[18:23] <TJ-> let's see if I can get there with the keyboard!
[18:23] <TJ-> got 21.04 Live here right now
[18:24] <TJ-> If you mean Konsole's own top-menu, can't see how to get there
[18:25] <genii> CTRL + Shift + ,
[18:26] <genii> ( for the settings)
[18:30] <TJ-> thanks. shame they're so cryptic. Can't see a way to get to the network configuration applet, or other 'taskbar' tools either. Good job there's nmcli and bluetoothctl !
[18:51] <TJ-> Looks like IPv6 is broken, via NetworkManager. resolvectl doesn't show the RA-announced DNS server being added so no name resolution.
[19:13] <alkisg> TJ-: I didn't read the whole conversation, you don't have mouse? Just apt install x11vnc; x11vnc -connect nearby-pc-ip, where you have xvnc4viewer -listen running :)
[19:45] <TJ-> alkisg: if it had network that might be viable
[20:12] <TJ-> Looks like this could be a bug, either kernel or NetworkManager. Enabled NM's TRACE logging for ETHER,IP6,SYSTEMD combined with tcpdump -vvv icmp6 and seeing the RA with 1 router, 2 prefixes, 2 routes, and the RDNSS... NM TRACE shows ndisc for the router, 2 prefixes and 2 routes but doesn't report the RDNSS. Either NM is ignoring it for some reason, or else kernel isn't passing it to userspace
[20:12] <TJ-> (which infers kernel misconfiguration)
[20:23] <TJ-> OK, turns out that's not the issue - the problem is the router is setting lifetime 0 on that option 25 RDNSS - router is systemd-networkd v247. Turns out even with EmitDNS=yes and DNS=$address DNSLifetimeSec= defaults to 0 unless set specifically.


[03:39] <smartboyhw> Um, what's the actual number of the crowdfunding record that the Ubuntu Edge is going to beat?
[03:40] <smartboyhw> $10,200,200？
[03:40] <smartboyhw> Oops, $10, 200, 000?
[03:41] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge
[03:41] <SergioMeneses> $10,120,050
[03:41] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses, I mean the record duh
[03:41] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, ah ok
[03:41] <smartboyhw> Not it's current
[03:41] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses, still haven't slept yet?
[03:42] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, I'm attending a meeting with my LoCoTeam
[03:42] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses, ah, IRC or?
[03:43] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, yes, at #ubuntu-co-meeting
[03:43]  * smartboyhw peeks in to have a look at SergioMeneses's leadership:P
[03:44] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, it is hard... a lot of point of views and everybody wants something different
[03:44] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses, of course:P
[03:44] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses, you SHOULD be experienced though, after all you are LoCo Council member
[03:45] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, I've learned something :)
[03:45] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses, of course you learn something...
[03:47] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, the ubuntu community has a lot of amazing leaders! and we all can learn from them
[03:48]  * smartboyhw always learns from others
[03:48] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, and that is good! feedbacks are the best thing ever!
[03:48] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses, ofc:)
[03:50] <SergioMeneses> ;)
[03:59] <SergioMeneses> jajaja smartboyhw is in the meeting xD
[03:59] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, the meeting is over
[03:59] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses, I know:P
[03:59]  * smartboyhw jumps out of the channel
[04:06] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, neh! feel free to pass by :D
[04:06] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses, I can't understand Columbian language anyway:P
[04:09] <jose> jcastro: around?
[04:14] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, but you may learn :D
[04:15] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses, I would rather want to learn French or Japanese...
[04:21] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, =/
[04:25] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, I have to go out! bedtime see you later ;)
[06:59] <smartboyhw> bkerensa, you did realize that you are supposed to type 13.10 in your newest blog post while you typed 13.04？
[07:15] <dholbach> good morning
[07:15] <smartboyhw> Good afternoon dholbach
[07:15] <dholbach> hi smartboyhw
[11:05] <cjohnston> mornin
[11:06] <smartboyhw> evening
[11:08] <cjohnston> i wish
[11:08] <smartboyhw> cjohnston, it's evening here:P
[11:10] <cjohnston> I wish it was here too... would mean back to bed soon
[11:10] <smartboyhw> lol
[11:10] <jussi> you guys need to learn about propper greetings on IRC, when you enter, you say morning, when you leave, you say evening.
[11:11]  * smartboyhw leaves IRC to infuriate jussi:P
[11:11]  * cjohnston needs to learn about proper /ignore to use on jussi ;-)
[11:12]  * jussi needs to act on his impulse and ban certain people :P :P :P
[11:12] <cjohnston> Are you able to self ban?
[11:12]  * smartboyhw needs to learn the process to complain to IRCC and CC:P
[11:12] <jussi> haha
[11:14] <popey> or use the geek greeting "moin"
[11:14] <smartboyhw> popey, I thought you are talking about MoinMoin Wiki markup:P
[11:15] <smartboyhw> popey, BTW I am horrified that you love BTRFS:P
[11:15] <popey> why?
[11:15] <smartboyhw> popey, because I hate errors and especially BTRFS:P
[11:16] <popey> why do you hate btrfs?
[11:16] <smartboyhw> popey, because I like ext4:P
[11:16] <popey> well thats just silly
[11:16] <popey> btrfs > ext4, for certain use cases.
[11:17] <popey> Like being able to slap together a load of different sized disks and make a big RAID 1 volume out of them
[11:17] <popey> can't do that with ext4
[11:48] <jcastro> good mourning everyone!
[12:01] <popey> Yes!
[12:02] <jussi> jcastro: what/who died? :D
[12:04] <jcastro> I was just in the UK
[12:04] <jcastro> so I add u's everywhere now
[12:04] <jussi> lol
[12:04] <IdleOne> heh, that u could get you in trouble :)
[12:13] <smartboyhw> What happened?
[12:20] <IdleOne> smartboyhw: mourning is what a person does when someone dies
[12:20] <IdleOne> morning is not
[12:21] <smartboyhw> IdleOne, ah, I thought he wrote morning:P
[12:21] <smartboyhw> Bad jcastro
[12:21] <IdleOne> see how that U can get someone in trouble :)
[12:21] <smartboyhw> IdleOne, I should have used !guidelines | jcastro :P
[12:21] <jcastro> it's also a megadeth song
[12:21] <popey> LRN2SPELL
[12:22] <IdleOne> people still listen to megadeath?
[12:22] <jcastro> So "Good Mourning" is how metal people say it
[12:22] <jcastro> deal with it. :p
[12:22]  * IdleOne deals the cards
[12:23] <jcastro> IdleOne: http://www.myfacewhen.net/uploads/3069-deal-with-it-dave-mustaine-megadeth.png
[12:23] <IdleOne> haha
[14:02] <smartboyhw> jcastro, popey (or whoever): What is the actual crowdfunding record? Exactly 10.2 m or?
[14:02] <jcastro> not sure, just know it was the pebble watch
[14:02] <popey> google kickstarter pebble
[14:03] <popey> $10,266,845
[14:04] <smartboyhw> jcastro, popey so Edge needs $82974 more to hit records
[14:04] <popey> _a_ record
[14:04] <popey> be nice if it hit 32M
[14:04] <smartboyhw> popey, yeah, sorry;p
[14:04] <smartboyhw> popey, 32m is really a bit too far;P
[14:05]  * popey shrugs
[15:18] <jcastro> <-- lunch
[15:18] <SergioMeneses> morning guys!
[16:03] <chilicuil> morning SergioMeneses o/
[16:30] <SergioMeneses> chilicuil, \o
[17:42] <dholbach> have a great rest of your day everyone - see you tomorrow!
[18:26] <jono> jcastro, G+?
[18:26] <jono> balloons, you are after jcastro
[18:26] <balloons> jono, aye-aye.. my internet is constantly dc'ing at the moment.. gonna try and fix it
[18:28] <jcastro> jono: let's do it!
[18:28] <jono> jcastro, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/2c46d7c814994b37fa8cd36706798b387c4b3b50?hl=en
[18:29] <bkerensa> jono: You busy Saturday night?
[18:29] <jono> bkerensa, yup
[18:29] <bkerensa> jono: darn :s was going to see if you wanted to catch some dinner and drinks in the city
[18:29] <bkerensa> ;p
[18:30] <jono> bkerensa, wish I could, but I am out at dinner that night
[19:25] <jono> balloons, all set?
[19:26] <balloons> jono, yes, the internet beasts seem to have settled and all is well again ;-)
[19:26] <jono> balloons, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/c09658cb3d3407af3f22201f597a2b3042225148?hl=en
[19:29] <jono> balloons, you coming?


[01:26] <Saviq> robru, cyphermox, +1 on rebuilt silo 015
[01:27] <Saviq> so, +3 in total :)
[01:39] <tedg> Silo4 is ready to publish
[01:53] <cyphermox> ok, will look at both shortly
[01:58] <Saviq> ok then... o/
[02:05] <imgbot> [02:07] <ToyKeeper> ... and that's what I've been waiting to test.
[02:55] <veebers> ToyKeeper: do you know how long it normally takes from the 'started' message until we can flash that image?
[02:56] <robru> veebers, an hour
[02:56] <veebers> robru: ah awesome, thanks robru :-)
[02:56] <robru> veebers, you're welcome
[02:57] <robru> bregma, sorry, was at dinner. you got silo 8
[03:05] <ToyKeeper> In the spirit of April Fools Day, I should mark all the image 273 tests as "green -- ship it!"
[03:14] <veebers> robru: another query for you :-) will imgbot state when the image is ready and can be flashed?
[03:15] <robru> veebers, yes, imgbot pings again at the exact moment that the new image is flashable.
[03:15] <veebers> robru: sweet thanks
[03:15] <robru> veebers, you're welcome
[03:17] <cyphermox> ToyKeeper: I rather all red :)
[03:17] <thomi> ... April 1st was yesterday ;)
[03:17] <cyphermox> thomi: it's still on for another 45 minutes here
[03:18] <cyphermox> :D
[03:20] <ToyKeeper> As soon as it's April 2 in UTC+11, it should be safe to use the internet again.  ;P
[03:21] <ToyKeeper> Er, UTC-11, I mean.  ;P
[03:25] <robru> ugh, only 8:25 here...
[03:26] <robru> good news everyone! (tedg, Saviq): I published silos 4 and 15 ;-)
[03:32] <cyphermox> oh, shoot.
[03:32] <cyphermox> robru: thumbnailer is still in unapproved.
[03:33] <cyphermox> and I see it wasn't in the touch ffe
[03:35] <imgbot> [03:35] <imgbot> [03:42] <robru> cyphermox, how could thumbnailer not be in the touch ffe? isn't it a touch-only thing?
[03:42] <cyphermox> seems to me like it should be yeah, I'm trying to figure out why it's not in the list
[03:42] <cyphermox> but yeah, grepping the page says it's not mentioned at all
[03:43] <robru> cyphermox, I wonder if it's a new component or something? in any case just add it to the list, I don't think anybody will mind
[03:44] <cyphermox> not that I know, it started getting landed in saucy
[03:44] <cyphermox> (at least according to lp)
[03:49] <robru> bbl
[03:58] <cyphermox> yuck yuck yukc
[03:58] <cyphermox> Saviq: still around?
[04:04] <Mirv> morning
[04:04] <Mirv> cyphermox: thumbnailer is part of ubuntu/xubuntu/edubuntu since it's required by UITK which is required by probably webapps :S
[04:05] <Mirv> so it's not purely "touch only"
[04:05] <cyphermox> robru: btw, thumbnailer is seeded everywhere via qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-plugin; because checkbox-gui requires it
[04:05] <cyphermox> Mirv: I know
[04:05] <Mirv> right ^
[04:05] <cyphermox> or yeah, webapps
[04:05] <cyphermox> but I think checkbox is a more likely culprit on things like edubuntu and xubuntu
[04:06] <cyphermox> I'm not sure, but I'd expect them to rip out webapps; though I may be wrong
[04:06] <Mirv> true
[04:07] <cyphermox> heh, then again indeed maybe it is unity-webapps-qml
[04:07] <cyphermox> in any case, this is disgusting
[04:09] <Mirv> well, ui-toolkit itself went through in a day too
[04:31] <veebers> robru: when you say you published silo 15, that means that it's contained in the latest image 273?
[04:46] <cyphermox> veebers: no
[04:47] <veebers> cyphermox: ah ok, thanks for clarifying. Does it mean it'll be in the next image?
[04:47] <veebers> cyphermox: hmm, I guess I'm asking when will the fixes it contain be contained in an image :-)
[04:47] <cyphermox> there's a snag; thumbnailer slipped through the cracks and is still in the unapproved queue, it will take a bit to deal with
[04:47] <cyphermox> best I can tell you right now is "sometime tomorrow"
[04:50] <veebers> cyphermox: ok, thanks again for the clarification.
[05:43] <cyphermox> Mirv: I'm off to bed considering I should be up again in only a little more than 4 hours
[05:43] <cyphermox> Mirv: if you want you can try to bribe an archive admin to let thumbnailer in in exchange for beer, considering it's just adding a Provides
[05:44] <cyphermox> I'm not overly happy with how this worked though, although it's in part my fault for not checking more thoroughly to make sure it was safe
[05:51] <ToyKeeper> Well, it took about 2 whole minutes to make image 273 lock up.
[05:51] <Mirv> yeah, I'll consider bribing
[05:59] <cyphermox> ToyKeeper: yay
[06:00] <cyphermox> Mirv: good day!
[06:00]  * cyphermox logs off
[06:13] <Mirv> good night :)
[06:49] <psivaa> ogra_: didrocks: and anyone interested in the test results on manta.. the (2) devices are not showing up under adb in the lab. hence can't get the results until someone from the IS goes direct and resurrect both of them
[06:49] <didrocks> psivaa: ok, thanks for the head's up
[07:25] <psivaa> didrocks: just sent an email about the image status of 272 and 273( upto now). I need to run some emergency errands and not sure if i'll be back before the meeting.
[07:25] <didrocks> psivaa: no worry! thanks for the update (just received your email :))
[07:25] <psivaa> didrocks: yw :)
[07:36] <ogra_> didrocks, bah, cu2d doesnt respect multiple changelog entries it seems (i explicitly built lxc-android-config with -v to get all four versions shown in the changelog)
[07:37] <didrocks> ogra_: hum? cu2d doesn't resign anything
[07:37] <didrocks> ogra_: so it doesn't change the .changes file
[07:37] <didrocks> ogra_: see: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxc-android-config/0.155
[07:37] <ogra_> didrocks, hmm, something did ... i wonder if its the PPA itself
[07:38] <didrocks> ogra_: it's a bug in the launchpad copy API. Nothing to do with cu2dd
[07:38] <ogra_> didrocks, right, see the changes ML
[07:38] <didrocks> cu2d*
[07:38] <didrocks> so "bah"
[07:38] <ogra_> well it got lost somewhere ;)
[07:38] <didrocks> ogra_: yeah, and it's not cu2d
[07:39] <ogra_> yeah, sorry, i meant the whole process when saying cu2d
[07:39] <didrocks> ogra_: you should really use a branch, at least, you will just click "rebuild" adding a new MP, and all will be in one shot :)
[07:41] <Mirv> bzoltan: need a silo?
[07:42] <bzoltan> Mirv:  what a service :) Sure I could use one for quick landing
[07:42] <didrocks> Mirv: FYI, I asked to get unity8 unstuck from proposed (see #ubuntu-release)
[07:48] <ogra_> imgbot, status 273
[07:49] <imgbot> Image 273 test results on mako - Total: 667, Pass: 666, Crashes: 0, Rate: 99.7%
[07:49] <ogra_> oh, it was fast today :)
[07:50] <didrocks> yeah :)
[07:50] <Mirv> bzoltan: landing-007 it is
[07:50] <ogra_> ah, still syncing ... thats why there are no crashes yet
[07:50] <didrocks> ogra_: false hope! :p
[07:50] <Mirv> didrocks: thanks, I asked for approving thumbnailer earlier which was blocking it first
[07:51] <didrocks> Mirv: ah, it was in unapproved?
[07:51] <didrocks> and stuck there?
[07:51] <Mirv> didrocks: yep, since it's seeded elsewhere. but infi_nity accepted it then.
[07:51] <Mirv> there was only the addition of Provides line over there
[07:52] <didrocks> great
[08:06] <ogra_> imgbot, status 273
[08:06] <imgbot> Image 273 test results on mako - Total: 668, Pass: 667, Crashes: 5, Rate: 99.7%
[08:06] <ogra_> oh ?
[08:06] <ogra_> 5 crashes ?
[08:10] <popey> jenkins experts.. how do I find the .debs built by this:- https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/qtorganizer5-eds-trusty-amd64-ci/ ?
[08:12] <sil2100> popey: on the first look of it, they don't seem to be exported
[08:24] <popey> sil2100: does that mean it didnt build?
[08:25] <seb128> hum
[08:25] <seb128> https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/58560a4ce3c2e52baaaa19390dc28579e7f5e8c3 tops e.u.c today
[08:25] <seb128> click (gi._glib.GError) /usr/bin/click@86 → main → run
[08:25] <seb128> "gi._glib.GError: Error opening directory '/home/famost/.cache/url-dispatcher/click-urls': Permission denied"
[08:26] <seb128> just as fyi, in case that's not known
[08:26] <seb128> cjwatson, ^
[08:28] <sil2100> popey: it seems it built correctly but jenkins didn't export the debs anywhere for download - or maybe you have ssh access to that jenkins instance?
[08:28] <popey> i do not
[08:29] <ogra_> hmm, so am i running oxide now when i start a webapp ?
[08:31] <popey> ogra_: is oxide even installed?
[08:31] <popey> i see no packages with ox in the name
[08:31] <ogra_> yes, liboxide entered in 273
[08:31] <popey> so it is
[08:31] <ogra_> and we have a new webbrowser app
[08:32] <ogra_> whihc i was expecting to use it
[08:32] <popey> but webapps use webapp-container though, right?
[08:32] <ogra_> but i was kind of expecting it to be a lot snappier etc
[08:32] <didrocks> ogra_: I don't think it's activated until people use the new framework
[08:32] <popey> ah
[08:32] <didrocks> dbarth explained that yesterday during the meeting
[08:32] <ogra_> ah, i thought the last change activated it
[08:32] <didrocks> are you listening guys? :p
[08:32] <popey> yeah, but he's french.. so you know.. ☻
[08:32] <didrocks> davmor2: around?
[08:42] <dbarth> hey, so to the question, only apps with the new framework take advantage of oxide
[08:42] <dbarth> ogra_: for example, the new facebook or twitter should use that, i uploaded them to the store yesterday
[08:42] <dbarth> is there already an image i can try with the new oxide runtime included?
[08:42] <ogra_> dbarth, so my handfull of webapps needs to change that in the manifest ?
[08:43] <ogra_> (do we have some developer guide what to do ?)
[08:43] <dbarth> ogra_: yup
[08:43] <dbarth> ogra_: there's a wiki page for that
[08:43] <dbarth> hang on
[08:45] <dbarth> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Specifications/WebAppsConfinement and the new 14.04 section in particular
[08:45] <ogra_> thanks !!
[08:46] <Saviq> Mirv, hey, can I help with the thumbnailer situation in any way?
[08:47] <Mirv> Saviq: it was resolved in the morning. then, didier unlocked another promotion blocking issue. I'm wondering though why it's still not migrating.
[08:48] <Saviq> Mirv, right, there's a bunch of things from silo 015 that didn't migrate yet - unity8, ubuntu-touch-session, lxc-android-config, qtubuntu....
[08:49] <Mirv> Saviq: thumbnailer was blocking most of it earlier, now that shouldn't be the issue
[08:50] <ogra_> davmor2, wow, thanks for the gmail tip ... G+ is sooo much snappier !
[08:52] <davmor2> ogra_: pleasure
[08:54] <davmor2> popey: facebook isn't as pretty
[08:56] <davmor2> dbarth: ^ in the facebook webapp if there is an image in the feed it scrolls off the page and there is no way to scroll it over to see the rest, also in a couple of the app G+ and Facebook I see a scrollbar down the side should that be there?
[08:56] <davmor2> popey: ^
[08:57] <dbarth> the scrollbar should go away at some point
[08:58] <dbarth> but that's a standard feature of blink
[08:58] <dbarth> chris & olivier are planning to remove that on touch devices
[08:58] <davmor2> dbarth: oh interesting the images only screw up on a first run.   I closed FB and reopened it and now they fit in the tile
[08:58] <dbarth> davmor2: however, what is the scroll story where you can't scroll it over?
[09:01] <davmor2> dbarth: first run after a login to facebook you get the tile with the text in and then the image below that that goes off the page and then the comment below that.  The image it appears should scale to fit in the width of the tile which it does if you reopen the app, however doesn't when you first open it
[09:02] <dbarth> davmor2: did the UI look weird on first run? ie, do you think FB served a different style of UI (WAP style) whereas now you have the modern UI?
[09:02] <dbarth> we've seen that happen because we were not sending the same UA string to their servers on all requests
[09:03] <dbarth> and so we were ending up with a funky interface or low-res images
[09:03] <dbarth> however, oxide is supposed to fixing that, whereas qtwebkit had a bug deep inside where the UA string could be wrong for certain requests (like images off of a CDN)
[09:03] <davmor2> dbarth: I'd have to check but I think it looked the same.   I need to disappear for a bit I'll try and remove my creds and login and grab a screenshot
[09:04] <dbarth> keep us posted, and file bugs on webbrowser-app when you spot issues
[09:04] <dbarth> ok
[09:04] <dbarth> make sure you remove cookies and files in .local/share/<app id>
[09:05] <sil2100> didrocks: strange, enabling proposed on my device and installing all of the packages stucked in -proposed doesn't cause any problems, it upgrades nicely - digging further
[09:08] <didrocks> sil2100: ok, then, just poke on #ubuntu-release. Britney may need some hints
[09:16] <popey> dbarth: I'm getting some odd errors with my webapps in #273 and my webapp fails to start http://paste.ubuntu.com/7193477/
[09:16] <popey> notably line 12 and 13 should not appear at all, as they are required parameters
[09:16] <popey> also note line 25
[09:17] <popey> and line 30
[09:17] <popey> my .desktop file has this as the exec Exec=webapp-container --enable-back-forward --webappUrlPatterns=https?://giffgaff.com/* http://giffgaff.com/?m=1
[09:19] <dbarth> popey: do you have a click or branch i can try?
[09:19] <popey> sure
[09:19] <dbarth> popey: the parameter errors are mostly noise, unfortunately, but the parameters are taken into account i think
[09:21] <popey> dbarth: http://people.canonical.com/~alan/com.popey.giffgaff_0.4_all.click and https://code.launchpad.net/~popey/+junk/giffgaff
[09:21] <dbarth> ok
[09:21] <popey> dbarth: I'm seeing apparmor failures in dmesg
[09:22] <popey> dbarth: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7193491/
[09:22] <dbarth> popey: you need to add the webview policy_group
[09:23] <dbarth> that explains the apparmor rejects you're seeing
[09:23] <popey> ah
[09:23] <popey> ok, thanks
[09:23] <dbarth> eh, yeah, been there done that ;)
[09:23] <dbarth> it's a bit tricky
[09:23] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Specifications/WebAppsConfinement need some love
[09:25] <popey> dbarth: added that and it still fails to start..
[09:25] <dbarth> same rejects?
[09:26] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7193499/
[09:26] <dbarth> hmm, weird
[09:27] <popey> lets start clean ☻
[09:27]  * popey wipes his phone and makes some tea
[09:33] <davmor2> dbarth: the images aren't expanding like they were so I might do a fresh flash but this should give you and idea http://davmor2.co.uk/~davmor2/fb-image.png  notice how the image is bigger than the text tile it sits on the stream is static on a width of the tile so if the image goes off the screen you can't scroll to the right to see the rest
[09:39] <didrocks> thostr_: hey, any news on the tasks/issues you are assigned to on the landing email?
[09:40] <thostr_> didrocks: yes, working on it. click scope fix is under testing right now, mediascanner is in the works (one waiting for more info) and saviq with work on the other ones
[09:40] <thostr_> didrocks: will answer the mail in some moments
[09:40] <didrocks> thostr_: thanks! any ETA on the click scope fix?
[09:41] <didrocks> thostr_: as I think the crashers are getting lower, so it will be the last blocker
[09:41] <thostr_> didrocks: 2 hours....
[09:41] <didrocks> thostr_: perfect!
[09:41] <didrocks> thostr_: you can even take 3 :p
[09:48] <sil2100> didrocks: I'm keeping an eye on rmadison to see if the packages already migrated fully - LP says yes but rmadison still says no, I'll give you a sign once it's completely in ;)
[09:48] <didrocks> sil2100: thanks a lot :)
[09:48] <didrocks> let me heat the iso building page
[09:49] <sil2100> didrocks: it's in!
[09:50] <sil2100> unity8 | 7.85+14.04.20140401.3-0ubuntu1 | trusty/universe | source, amd64, armhf, i386
[09:50]  * didrocks kicks
[09:50] <sil2100> (same for other 3)
[09:50] <didrocks> thanks sil2100!
[09:50] <sil2100> np ;)
[09:50] <didrocks> Saviq: FYI (image building with unity8 right-edge) ^
[09:50] <didrocks> Saviq: there are some crash fixes as well in it, right?
[09:56] <davmor2> dbarth: and ofcourse now I can't reproduce the large images :'(
[10:00] <imgbot> [10:02] <dbarth> davmor2: ok, noted
[10:03] <dbarth> davmor2: worth filing a bug for; affect webapps-core and webbrowser-app please
[10:03] <dbarth> this way we can see if it's rendering vs UA for ex.
[10:03] <davmor2> dbarth: will do
[10:03] <dbarth> popey: giffgaff works here, when i add the webview policy
[10:03] <dbarth> popey: what's the issue you're seeing on your end?
[10:04] <popey> dbarth: lemme test now I have re-flashed
[10:04] <dbarth> i'm running on #272
[10:04] <cjwatson> seb128: regression caused by Ted's url-dispatcher change, I guess.  The question is why that directory isn't writable by the user
[10:04] <dbarth> but maybe i have leftovers of a silo and oxide pkg
[10:04] <popey> dbarth: works here now too, thanks!
[10:05] <dbarth> ah cool
[10:05] <seb128> cjwatson, I'm unsure if that's a regression, the e.u.c page has reports from earlier version ... but it might be grouping different problems which leads to a similar signature
[10:07] <cjwatson> seb128: that url-dispatcher hook was only added yesterday
[10:07] <cjwatson> seb128: click didn't change
[10:07] <sil2100> Oh, so url-dispatcher it is in the end!
[10:07] <sil2100> didrocks: ^ ;p
[10:08] <cjwatson> well, arguably
[10:08] <cjwatson> it's poking click into failing
[10:08] <seb128> cjwatson, ok, so the e.u.c page is a bit misleading
[10:08] <seb128> cjwatson, it's putting e.g https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/2434944e-b7a5-11e3-afbf-fa163e707a72 in the same bucket, which is a different issue
[10:08] <cjwatson> yeah, that's entirely different
[10:09] <cjwatson> I can understand it grouping all GErrors together
[10:09] <cjwatson> I don't see why it's putting run_user_hooks with run_system_hooks ...
[10:11] <seb128> cjwatson, I think it builds the signature from the functions' name
[10:11] <seb128> so it's "run" in both cases
[10:11] <seb128> "click (gi._glib.GError) /usr/bin/click@86 → main → run" is the signature
[10:12] <seb128> https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/84147a74-a96c-11e3-a62e-e4115b0f8a4a is also in the same bucket
[10:13] <cjwatson> seb128: I suppose I could artificially separate those, but it would be awkward and it would only solve a part of the problem anyway
[10:16] <seb128> cjwatson, the right solution is probably to enhance the apport code/signature to handle those cases better
[10:16] <seb128> I've also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/989819 on the same line
[10:21] <davmor2> popey: is this you updating the million and 1 apps you have in the store for the new browser
[10:22] <popey> moi?
[10:22] <popey> testing oxide, yes.
[10:22] <davmor2> popey: giffgaff 2 bbc I'm expecting BR anytime ;)
[10:23] <popey> where are you seeing this?
[10:23] <davmor2><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:24] <davmor2> popey: you not on that mailing list?
[10:24] <popey> i was not aware of that list! i asked if we could get email notifications, and was told no..
[10:24] <popey> jeez
[10:25] <davmor2> popey: you asked the wrong person :D
[10:25] <popey> clearly, i asked the guy who owns it
[10:25] <davmor2> popey: ah what does he know :D   It does list everything though so that might become a problem for you
[10:29] <popey> davmor2: whats going on with this bug where apps are installed with the wrong name?
[10:29] <didrocks> sil2100: cyphermox: Mirv: robru: so, as long as we don't have an apache proxy to expose the silo, I'm rsyncing every 10 minutes the silo files to http://people.canonical.com/~didrocks/citrain/silos/
[10:29] <didrocks> sil2100: cyphermox: Mirv: robru: it means people can have access to the branches while they are building
[10:30] <davmor2> popey: no idea, I'll chase up with it after
[10:30] <didrocks> like http://people.canonical.com/~didrocks/citrain/silos/landing-002/mir/ is the mir branch in landing-002
[10:30] <sil2100> Oh
[10:30] <sil2100> That's convinient
[10:30]  * ogra_ wouldnt mind a silo for line 37 :)
[10:31] <sil2100> ogra_: on it!
[10:31] <ogra_> great, thanks :)
[10:32] <seb128> ogra_, sil2100: would be nice if the assignments would be fifos, and not first to nag on IRC hijacks the ones that prefer to not bother others ;-)
[10:33] <ogra_> but but ...
[10:33] <ogra_> :)
[10:33] <seb128> just saying
[10:33] <ogra_> i'm sure you'll get the next two before me :)
[10:34] <seb128> let's see
[10:35] <Mirv> ok.. bookmarking
[10:35] <sil2100> seb128: no no no ;) I assign them not depending on the order of pings
[10:36] <seb128> sil2100, don't worry, it was more a remark for ogra_ than you, things work better if people don't IRC ping after filing a request
[10:36] <sil2100> seb128: your and thostr_'s silos were assigned first
[10:36] <seb128> or at least not before waiting for a bit, then if things don't move you can ping ;-)
[10:36] <seb128> sil2100, thanks
[10:36] <sil2100> sil2100: since I do a scan from first to last with a correction not to starve some other landers ;p
[10:36] <ogra_> seb128, the landing team isnt staring on the spreadsheet the whole day ... i just notified that there is something new
[10:37] <seb128> ogra_, they are
[10:37] <seb128> well, they look at it often enough that IRC pings are usually not needed
[10:37] <sil2100> We're trying to at least, I'm polling the spreadsheets in intervals of 20-30 minutes
[10:42] <ogra_> hmm
[10:42] <ogra_> looking at my PPA i'm wondering if we possibly could reset the build count (and failed count) ... that seems to pile up for all builds ever done in that PPA
[10:48]  * sil2100 jumps out for a lunch ingredient
[10:52] <didrocks> ogra_: doesn't seem to be exposed through launchpad API
[10:52] <ogra_> ah, sad
[10:52] <didrocks> (in write mode)
[10:52] <ogra_> i guess within one or two releases that will become a quite high number
[10:52] <didrocks> especially in the first silos :)
[10:53] <davmor2> dbarth: ha finally looks like rotation can throw it our of kilter by I have a couple of screenshots to highlight it writing the bug up now
[10:53] <Mirv> Saviq probably wouldn't mind if I rebuilt the necessary parts of landing-002 now that right edge branches were merged
[10:54] <didrocks> Mirv: I guess he will even love you! :)
[10:54] <Mirv> :)
[10:57] <davmor2> dbarth: oh apparently not rotate grrrr something random then :(  not so useful
[11:02] <didrocks> ok, going for some exercise
[11:09] <davmor2> dbarth: bug #1301318
[11:10] <ogra_> oh, thats so sexy ... videos play in the browser
[11:13]  * Mirv merging what remains of robru's ubuntu-touch-session packaging fixes
[11:14] <davmor2> didrocks: it appears we have lost ogra_ to cat videos on google+ can we send someone to reset his browser to the old qtwebkit version please
[11:14] <ogra_> lol
[11:14] <ogra_> totally not !
[11:14] <davmor2> ogra_: haha
[11:14] <ogra_> i'm watching an awesome unboxing video atm
[11:14] <ogra_> for a potato !
[11:14] <davmor2> ogra_: you need help
[11:15] <ogra_> he is just comparing the potato to an LG G2
[11:15] <Mirv> ogra could reack https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/ubuntu-touch-session/packaging_robru/+merge/213813 since it's the same changes you acked before for robru, just conflicts-resolved
[11:15] <ogra_> the G2 actually comes with a lot of megapickles ... while you can only add a few pickles to the poatao
[11:16] <davmor2> ogra_: oh well the potato is obviously far more diverse and useful, the LG doesn't have Ubuntu on it :)
[11:16] <ogra_> the potato neither
[11:16] <ogra_> it is a phablet potato though ... it is pretty big
[11:17] <ogra_> you can get the potato without contract too !
[11:18] <Mirv> thanks sil2100 :)
[11:18] <davmor2> popey: quick work with xnox
[11:19] <popey> davmor2: eh?
[11:20] <davmor2> popey: on the google+ app :)
[11:20] <popey> oh
[11:22] <davmor2> WOW google+ works on the FLO!!!!!!!!! didrocks shipit :D
[11:24] <davmor2> dbarth: anyone on your team got a manta?
[11:24] <davmor2> ogra_: have you got a manta?
[11:24] <dbarth> davmor2: manta?
[11:24] <davmor2> dbarth: nexus 10
[11:25] <dbarth> hmm, no i don't think we do
[11:25] <ogra_> davmor2, just upgrading it for my silo testing
[11:25] <imgbot> [11:25] <imgbot> [11:25] <dbarth> davmor2: needs adjustments?
[11:25] <davmor2> dbarth: I'll get a video for you
[11:25] <dbarth> ok
[11:31] <popey> davmor2: doesn't work here on mako. blank screen after logging in
[11:32] <davmor2> popey: no it is not updated I think he just republished it
[11:33] <popey> davmor2: i approved it and have it on my device
[11:33] <davmor2> popey: :'(  blame ogra
[11:38] <ogra_> silo 13 is ready for releasing ...
[11:39] <sil2100> ogra_: as long as it's not set to 'Tested: yes' then we will not notice ;)
[11:39] <popey> dbarth: omgubuntu doesn't work in our browser anymore http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2014-04-02-123815.png
[11:40] <sil2100> Ah
[11:40] <popey> dbarth: it used to (i have a phone on #250 here and it loads). My bet is it's the facebook popup you get
[11:40] <sil2100> ogra_: you didn't run the Build job with watch-only, let me do that
[11:40] <sil2100> ogra_: that's why it didn't get marked as done on the spreadsheet
[11:40] <dbarth> popey: the popup should indeed be the issue
[11:40] <ogra_> davmor2, popey, so running G+ in the manta browser gets me the "go to mobile website" page
[11:40] <ogra_> sil2100, oops
[11:41] <dbarth> do you see a crash or something in the logs?
[11:41] <sil2100> ogra_: just for the future ;) It's running now
[11:41] <davmor2> ogra_: go to it via gmail
[11:41] <ogra_> sil2100, how would i do that, i dont see a switch/button
[11:43] <ogra_> davmor2, well, works now in the browser
[11:43] <ogra_> hmm
[11:43] <ogra_> kind of
[11:43] <ogra_> trying to scroll ends up in massive flickering
[11:43] <davmor2> ogra_: bit juddery though right
[11:43] <davmor2> ogra_: same for gmail
[11:44] <sil2100> ogra_: once you dput the package to the PPA, you press the Build button and check the 'WATCH_ONLY' option
[11:44] <ogra_> sil2100, ah, ok, thanks !
[11:45] <ogra_> dbarth, double tapping on an article text doesnt zoom in anymore ... is that wanted ?
[11:48] <dbarth> ogra_: not sure, but it's normal; there are discussions as to whether double tap should be handled by the browser or not
[11:48] <dbarth> think "fastclick"
[11:48] <ogra_> well, other mobile browsers behave like that
[11:49] <ogra_> i guess people will have an assumption that you can zoom into article text that way
[12:02] <davmor2> popey: does grooveshark playback work for you anymore?
[12:07] <popey> thostr_: who is working from the platform side on waking devices up from sleep on alarms?
[12:08] <thostr_> popey: tvoss that is
[12:09]  * popey pokes tvoss
[12:09] <popey> thanks thostr_
[12:10] <popey> tvoss: is there a blueprint / bug tracking that?
[12:18] <thostr_> popey: yes, it's in our experience tracking sheet
[12:19] <popey> thanks
[12:29] <davmor2> ogra_: WOW volume works in videos in the google plus feed
[12:31] <ogra_> yeah
[12:31] <tvoss> popey, the android side is there, we need to provide a fallback impl for the desktop, though
[12:32] <popey> davmor2: videos work?
[12:32] <Mirv> mardy: phew, publishing qtbase in a minute. I needed quite a few reruns because of flakiness locally, but in the end confirmed that there are no regressions compared to ubuntu10.
[12:33] <ogra_> popey, if yyu play embedded youtube videos in G+ in the browser they work
[12:33] <ogra_> popey, it doesnt work in the app
[12:33] <mardy> Mirv: excellent!
[12:33] <ogra_> (yet)
[12:33] <davmor2> popey: yeap see either jono q&a or ogra_ potato unboxing
[12:33] <ogra_> bug 1301351 for the webapp ...
[12:51] <Mirv> Saviq: I did Stuff while you were away to your landing! :)
[12:52] <Mirv> Saviq: so in the greeter split.. I removed the touch schemas branch which already landed via "indicator-sound rerelease with test suite fix". and I redid the ubuntu-touch-session packaging branch since it conflicted after partially similar branches went in
[12:53] <Mirv> Saviq: then I tried to rebuild the rest, but ended up rebuilding only indicator-sound ubuntu-touch-session unity-mir since the unity8 split branch now has new conflicts that would need to be fixed
[12:57] <didrocks> Mirv: rocking!
[13:04] <davmor2> popey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app/+bug/1301341
[13:20] <boiko> cjwatson: hi, would you mind please triggering a rebuild on this powerpc build: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-005/+build/5872529
[13:24] <cjwatson> boiko: done
[13:25] <boiko> cjwatson: thansk
[13:25] <boiko> thanks
[13:25] <pmcgowan> How's 274 looking
[13:33] <ogra_> whee !
[13:34] <ogra_> switching apps is so shiny now
[13:34]  * sil2100 still needs to upgrade
[13:35] <sil2100> hm, maybe it's the best moment for that now!
[13:35] <ChickenCutlass> ogra_: I love the right edge
[13:35] <ChickenCutlass> :)
[13:35] <ogra_> yeah, me too
[13:35]  * ogra_ waits for 275 though ... i want faster boots as well :P
[13:35] <ChickenCutlass> Saviq: nice work (and your team)
[13:36] <ChickenCutlass> ogra_: new broswer in too
[13:36] <ChickenCutlass> love it
[13:36] <ChickenCutlass> oxcide
[13:36] <bregma> sil2100, landing-008 is ready for publish (desktop only), it will probably need a packaging change approval
[13:36] <ogra_> yeah, i have to re-upload all my webapps now
[13:37] <ogra_> ChickenCutlass, video playback in G+ works now :)
[13:37] <ChickenCutlass> yup
[13:39] <pmcgowan> quite a landing day, April 1!
[13:39] <sil2100> bregma: looking
[13:39] <ogra_> boot animation (split greeter) and media-hub are still missing from the big landings
[13:40] <kenvandine> bfiller, i tested landing-011, looks good.  have you tested it yet?
[13:40] <ChickenCutlass> ogra_: and MMS stuff
[13:40] <ChickenCutlass> :)
[13:40] <ogra_> lol, yeah
[13:40] <bfiller> kenvandine: haven't had time yet
[13:40]  * ogra_ still thinks we should better ship a UPS voucher ... would be cheaper than sending MMMS
[13:41] <bfiller> kenvandine: has Elleo tested it? I hope to get to it today
[13:41] <ogra_> (SCNR ... MMS jokes have to happen if someone mentions it)
[13:41] <kenvandine> bfiller, not sure
[13:41] <bfiller> I'll ask him
[13:43] <sil2100> didrocks: packaging ACK needed! Looks ok, the packaging dep downgrade seems strange, but it's simply a minor one -> https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/landing-008-2-publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_unity_7.2.0+14.04.20140402-0ubuntu1.diff
[13:45] <didrocks> sil2100: +1
[13:53] <davmor2> popey: that link in the email you sent out is either getting ddos'd or it doesn't exit anymore :)
[13:55] <Saviq> cprov, hey, can you have a look at what failed here http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-runner-mako/6307/console ?
[13:55]  * Saviq has no idea how things work now after the move to new scripts
[13:55] <cprov> Saviq: sure
[13:59] <cprov> Saviq: I am not familiar with it, but it looks like a process died mid-build. Let me get someone who actually know it.
[14:00] <Saviq> cprov, thanks
[14:11] <cprov> Saviq: fginther walked me through the log ... We can see that the phone was reboot and the test failed to unlock the phone. Does it ring any bells to you ?
[14:12] <cprov> Saviq: it seem that previous jobs (6301 - 5) failed in the same way.
[14:21]  * ogra_ wonders whats up with 274 on mako
[14:21] <ogra_> plars, ^^^^any idea ?
[14:25] <plars> ogra_: probably the device for in a bad state. psivaa is looking at it right now
[14:25] <ogra_> thanks
[14:32] <sil2100> Mirv: so, qtbase from your silo 17 FTBFS - the main reason is that libxkbcommon that's awailable in trusty is too old for your distropatched patches to work
[14:32] <sil2100> Mirv: you need at least 0.4.0, while the archive has 0.3.1-2
[14:32] <ogra_> pmcgowan, did you by chance try 274 on a manta ?
[14:32]  * ogra_ ends up at a black screen after OTA upgrade
[14:32] <pmcgowan> ogra_, no but I can momentarily
[14:33] <pmcgowan> I thought davmor2 had
[14:33] <davmor2> pmcgowan: no I'm still testing 273
[14:33] <ogra_> after another reboot it comes up now
[14:34]  * davmor2 updated to 274
[14:35] <davmor2> ogra_: so it workd fine for me on manta
[14:35] <davmor2> pmcgowan: ^
[14:36] <ogra_> yeah, was only the first boot after upgrade for me
[14:36] <davmor2> ogra_: I didn't get that it was just like normal
[14:37] <sil2100> Mirv: debian already has 0.4.0, but I'm not sure if it would be easy to get it into trusty now at this stage...
[14:39] <ogra_> hmm, on the manta you cant switch between apps ?
[14:42] <psivaa_> ogra_: davmor2: pmcgowan: we have about 4 mako's down at the moment. thinking of borrowing from fginther from another pool. but if 274 had any issues in flashing/ rebooting we'll end up making one more device unusable
[14:43] <davmor2> psivaa_: I'm updating my mako now
[14:44] <pmcgowan> I have 274 on my mako, seems good
[14:44] <ogra_> same here
[14:45] <sil2100> Whoops, we're getting low on silos again
[14:45] <psivaa_> ok, thanks. let me find run the tests on another device
[14:46]  * sil2100 can't wait for u-s-s to be considered for migration from -proposed already
[14:47] <sil2100> seb128: how does it look for desktop related package uploads that include bugfixes only? Can those be normally moved out of the UNAPPROVED queue?
[14:47] <seb128> sil2100, they can yes
[14:47] <seb128> sil2100, are you low on silos?
[14:47] <seb128> sil2100, I can m&c settings if you want
[14:48] <sil2100> seb128: it's not critical, we still have 2 silos free - but I would like to assign one additional for you as well, but we can wait for u-s-s to move out of proposed with the m&c
[14:50] <seb128> sil2100, I clicked m&c, there is no way that one doesn't migrate ;-)
[14:50] <sil2100> ;)
[14:50] <sil2100> Thanks!
[14:51] <sil2100> I'll poke the release team for packages in the unapproved queue then
[14:51] <seb128> I was about to do that
[14:51] <seb128> but nice if you do it ;-)
[14:52] <seb128> sil2100, I guess thostr_ could publish hud as well, since it has been flagged as testing success
[14:53] <sil2100> Oh, it just got turned
[14:53] <sil2100> Let me publish then
[14:53] <thostr_> sil2100: thanks
[14:55] <davmor2> psivaa_: no issue here doing an ota on mako  how are you updating the devices though?
[14:58] <psivaa_> davmor2: 'ubuntu-device-flash --bootstrap --channel trusty-proposed' is the command to do the flashing
[14:59] <davmor2> psivaa_: right give me 5 and I'll do that
[15:08] <davmor2> psivaa_: just double checking you are adb reboot bootloader before --bootstrap right?
[15:10] <psivaa_> davmor2: yes. that's correct
[15:10] <davmor2> psivaa_: that's okay then :)  just double checking :)
[15:11] <davmor2> psivaa_: downloading now
[15:11] <davmor2> and downloaded
[15:11] <davmor2> rebooting into recovery
[15:21] <davmor2> psivaa_: so I have a working mako on 274
[15:25] <davmor2> psivaa_: http://davmor2.co.uk/~davmor2/r274.png
[15:27] <Saviq> cprov, fginther, sorry was otp, no, nothing changed that I know of that could cause that... but then I don't know the scripts used at all...
[15:34] <didrocks> thostr_: did the fix flowed in?
[15:36] <thostr_> didrocks: no, not yet...
[15:51] <sil2100> thostr_: m&c please :) !
[15:52] <thostr_> sil2100: running...
[15:52] <sil2100> thostr_: thank you!
[15:55] <davmor2> cyphermox: if this goes tits up I'm going to hunt you down and hurt you /me hit the sync button in rhythmbox on a freshly bootstrapped n4
[15:56] <dbarth> o/ silo 001 verified; ready for publication
[15:57] <sil2100> o/
[15:58] <sil2100> dbarth: published, thanks!
[15:59] <plars> ogra_, didrocks: I think we finally have a working device again and install/test on 274 is starting now, sorry for the delay. I'll monitor it closely but i don't expect more problems at this point
[15:59] <ogra_> thanks :)
[16:02] <sil2100> plars: excellent :)
[16:02] <sil2100> seb128: I'll m&c your silo as we're low on silos :)
[16:03] <sil2100> ogra_: meeting!
[16:04] <ogra_> oops
[16:04] <ogra_> sorry
[16:04] <didrocks> cyphermox: coming?
[16:06] <dbarth> sil2100: thanks
[16:07] <kenvandine> bfiller, i tested silo 11 again, looks good
[16:08] <bfiller> kenvandine: going to mark it tested
[16:08] <kenvandine> thx
[16:09] <sil2100> \o/
[16:10] <sil2100> dbarth, bfiller, robru: dealing with landing 11
[16:11] <kenvandine> sil2100, the packaging changes in landing 11 are good, submitted by a core dev and reviewed by another core dev :)
[16:11] <cyphermox> davmor2: well, no, I didn't add the media player sync parts yet
[16:11] <sil2100> kenvandine: I love packaging changes like these ;)
[16:11] <davmor2> cyphermox: it looks like it worked all the same :)
[16:12] <cyphermox> davmor2: well, you shouldn't be able to see more than Unknown - Unknown
[16:12] <cyphermox> if you are, then you're using amarok
[16:12] <cyphermox> (amarok is cheating and caching the files locally)
[16:13] <davmor2> cyphermox: no this is syncing stuff from a laptop to an empty phone so I'm assuming that is fine it possibly won't work now if I add track to my pc
[16:13] <cyphermox> the file sync, copying files from the computer to the device via the music player might work though; the issue is just that it never reads metadata
[16:13] <cyphermox> so showing that you have files X, Y, Z on the device in the media player will never list you tracks (until I add code to ask libtag about those)
[16:14] <cyphermox> but pushing the files probably does
[16:16] <sil2100> bregma: I'll m&c your silo if you don't mind, usually we don't do that for landers but we're a bit low on silos still ;)
[16:16] <bregma> sil2100, please go ahead
[16:16] <didrocks> ogra_: and yeah, I'm a year off
[16:17] <ogra_> heh
[16:19]  * sil2100 is happy that the CI Train process works so well lately
[16:20] <davmor2> cyphermox: http://davmor2.co.uk/~davmor2/music-from-rb-sync.png  I unplugged it and plugged it back in and now ofcourse it all displays as unknowns on the device but it is a much nicer way to transfer the files in the first place :)
[16:20] <cyphermox> I bet :)
[16:25] <psivaa_> davmor2: ack, thanks. plars got the tests going again. i had to go out suddenly again
[16:27] <davmor2> cyphermox: about 1 minute faster on transfer to which is bizarre
[16:34] <seb128> sil2100, thanks, I was out for exercice
[16:55] <davmor2> ogra_, popey: man this phone is getting slow http://davmor2.co.uk/~davmor2/screenshots-phone/  on a plus side individual and many apps scroll well in the right hand drag :)
[17:26] <plars> ogra_: quick question for you - how long does image generation take now from start to finish? And what about the component parts of it? (android, ubuntu rootfs, system-image)
[17:26] <plars> do we have rough numbers for that at least?
[17:27] <ogra_> well, we have the imagebot that marks the start and end of builds
[17:27] <ogra_> (and announces them in here)
[17:28] <ogra_> cdimage has timestamps ... so one could etrapolate the time the different steps take from that
[17:31] <cprov> Saviq: did you sort the s-jenking failure out ?
[17:32] <ogra_> plars, <imgbot> [17:32] <ogra_> plars, <imgbot> [17:33] <ogra_> that was our nightly buiuld
[17:33] <ChickenCutlass> ogra_: does that have the latest boot stuff
[17:33] <plars> ogra_: does that include all three of those pieces?
[17:33] <ogra_> ChickenCutlass, nope, 275 will have it
[17:33] <ChickenCutlass> ok
[17:34] <ogra_> plars, thats from starting the build to it showing up on system-image.u.c
[17:34] <plars> ogra_: ok, so that includes building the android parts and the rootfs, not just assembling the system image
[17:35] <ogra_> plars, for the start the bot monitors the processlist on the central builder in a 5min interval ... for the end it is watching the content of the mako json index on s-i.u.c
[17:35] <plars> ogra_: how hard would it be to replicate that whole process to build customized images?
[17:35] <ogra_> that does *not* include building any android parts
[17:35] <plars> ah, ok
[17:35] <ogra_> they come from a package which is build asyncronously
[17:36] <ogra_> during build we just install the android package on the builder and copy around the img files it contains
[17:36] <plars> ok
[17:38] <Saviq> robru, hey, icanhassilo for row 45 please?
[17:38] <robru> sure
[17:40] <robru> Saviq, ok, you got silo 4
[17:41] <Saviq> robru, awesome, thanks!
[17:41] <robru> Saviq, you're welcome
[17:44] <ogra_> plars, oh, i missed the question above ... for customized images i would still recommend rootstock for rootfs and system-image and well ... the android package with your patches in case you plan to change the android bits
[17:45] <plars> ogra_: the android package isn't built in a ppa like a normal package though, right?
[17:45] <ogra_> it is a normal package we upload to the archive
[17:46] <ogra_> (and i think rsalveti recently even started using a silo for it ... which is pretty pointless though)
[17:50] <robru> brb
[18:26] <boiko> robru: landing-005 tested and ready for releasing
[18:28] <robru> boiko, published!
[18:32] <boiko> robru: nice! thanks!
[18:35] <bschaefer> cjwatson, ping
[18:43] <robru> boiko, you're welcome
[18:45] <davmor2> rsalveti: help please,  I followed https://askubuntu.com/questions/360554/how-do-i-sync-google-contacts/432433#432433 but I'm getting oh no you can't do that :) First ERROR encountered: error code from SyncEvolution access denied (remote, status 403): GET: bad HTTP status: <status 1.1, code 403, class 4, Forbidden>
[19:00] <cjwatson> bschaefer: hi
[19:00] <cjwatson> bschaefer: (note it's 8pm for me)
[19:00] <bschaefer> cjwatson, hello! I was wondering if you could take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~brandontschaefer/libsdl/enable-mir-support-ffe/+merge/212072
[19:00] <bschaefer> cjwatson, oo
[19:01] <cjwatson> well, not just now
[19:01] <bschaefer> cjwatson, well, if you could take a look at a reasonable time for you
[19:01] <cjwatson> hopefully somebody will respond to your message on #-release
[19:01] <bschaefer> cjwatson, thanks again for helping me get the deb files corrected :)
[19:01] <bschaefer> yeah as do i!
[19:28] <bfiller> robru: need a silo for line 47 when you have a moment
[19:30] <robru> bfiller, ok, you got silo 8! and can i get you to clean silo 11? thanks
[19:31] <bfiller> robru: thanks, just did the merge and clean on silo 11
[19:31] <robru> bfiller, thanks!
[20:08] <pmcgowan> bfiller, wow a fix already?
[20:10] <bfiller> pmcgowan: yup
[20:11] <bfiller> pmcgowan: and there was an oxide fix as well, need both oxide and ubuntu-keyboard fixes
[20:11] <pmcgowan> bfiller, good stuff
[20:11] <bfiller> pmcgowan: should help a lot
[20:15] <ChickenCutlass> bfiller: is that the facebook one?
[20:15] <ChickenCutlass> you where showing m
[20:15] <ChickenCutlass> me
[20:15] <bfiller> ChickenCutlass: yes, and some others pmcgowan found
[20:15] <ChickenCutlass> nice work
[20:15] <ChickenCutlass> brocacho
[20:15] <bfiller> as I said thanks
[20:20] <bregma> hey robru it's time.... be generous and gift me a silo for line 48 ?
[20:30] <bregma> robru, and line 49, we are burninating the electrons today
[20:34] <robru> bregma, your wish is my command! You got 5 and 11
[20:35] <bregma> multually prime!
[20:41] <kgunn> robru: bregma will also want one for 46
[20:49] <robru> kgunn, bregma: ok, that one's 12
[20:50] <bregma> it's just like gosh-darn Christmas today
[20:51] <robru> everybody gets a silo! ;-)
[20:52] <kgunn> oprah style...you get a silo! you get a silo! you get a silo!
[21:14] <bfiller> robru: silo 8 ready for release
[21:23] <thostr_> anybody around that can give me a silo for line  42?
[21:27] <robru> bfiller, done!
[21:28] <robru> thostr_, ok, you got silo 15
[21:29] <thostr_> robru: thanks
[21:29] <robru> thostr_, you're welcome
[21:56] <bregma> robru, landing-011 has passed its test and can be published at your liesure
[21:56] <robru> bregma, thanks
[21:57] <robru> bregma, published
[23:37] <stgraber> anyone around to give xnox a silo for two Ubuntu One removal branches? (last entry of the spreadsheet)
[23:57] <robru> stgraber, got you silo 11, please build
[23:57] <stgraber> robru: thanks
[23:57] <robru> stgraber, you're welcome