[14:45] <Jucato> xevious: it's ok. like I said, I may personally disagree, but I'm not going to block the wishlist/bug report :)
[14:45] <soulwarp> BluesKaj ok
[14:45] <SteamMachine> okay
[14:45] <xevious> Jucato: rightio
[14:45] <Jucato> xevious: I may comment later. :)
[14:45] <mohamed_> hello all , when i use kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade" i get this error:  adept_manager: Unknown option '--version-upgrade'
[14:45] <SteamMachine> supposing I wanted to start kde from a command line...
[14:45] <SteamMachine> how would I do that?
[14:45] <byewindows>  ATI Proprietary Linux x86 Display Driver 8.28.8 genii
[14:45] <LiL-JoN> startkde
[14:45] <xevious> xenol: i'm in the process of upgrading right now
[14:45] <byewindows> $ uname -a
[14:45] <byewindows> Linux team 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP Sun Oct 14 23:05:12 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[14:45] <stephie> hi
[14:45] <hagabaka> i'm not getting any updates in aptitude dist-upgrade :/
[14:46] <boubbin> same here
[14:46] <MementoMori> SteamMachine: or if kde is your default DE startx
[14:46] <genii> byewindows: What does uname -m report?
[14:46] <stephie> does anyone of you have a howto for XGL/beryl for Kubuntu (gutsy)
[14:46] <byewindows> i686
[14:46] <byewindows> genii:
[14:46] <stdin> stephie: beryl is dead, merged with compiz to make compiz-fusion
[14:47] <LiL-JoN> genii: i thought it was uname -a
[14:47] <stephie> stdin: okay, so a howto for compiz-fusion
[14:47] <BluesKaj> hagabaka,, boubbin ; alt + F2 then type : kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade"
[14:47] <xevious> let's have a dist-upgrade race: where's everyone at? i'm at 42%
[14:47] <stdin> welcome to the chaos gnomefreak :)
[14:47] <byewindows> genii: I have dl this one https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-8.28.8.run
[14:47] <WaltzingAlong> xevious: already did that a week ago
[14:47] <xevious> WaltzingAlong: blah blah blah
[14:47] <genii> byewindows: Sorry LOL was in above. Yes, correct version then. If they suggest then sh to run it, try instead bash. So something then like: sudo bash ./filename       (with prompt in the working directory)
[14:47] <gnomefreak> stdin: :) been here already
[14:47] <Jucato> xevious: got one of the main man for adept to reply :)
[14:47] <xevious> WaltzingAlong: clearly you're not in this race, then
[14:48] <iss_student> How do I change my repositories now that RC is officialy released
[14:48] <WaltzingAlong> xevious: but i can watch the rest sweat it out
[14:48] <xevious> Jucato: did you have me post this just so you could have it shot down?
[14:48] <genii> byewindows: (K)ubuntu uses dash for system sh which sometimes causes grief
[14:48] <WaltzingAlong> !final | iss_student
[14:48] <ubotu> iss_student: If you installed a Tribe/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Gutsy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[14:48] <Jucato> xevious: of course not
[14:48] <LiL-JoN> genii: i never thought of bashing it
[14:48] <Jucato> xevious: have you read his reply?
[14:48] <boubbin> BluesKaj nice thanks.
[14:48] <xevious> Jucato: nope. and that was a joking question by the way
[14:48] <xevious> :)
[14:48] <mohamed_> kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade" i get this error:  adept_manager: Unknown option '--version-upgrade'  any help ?
[14:48] <stdin> stephie: just "sudo apt-get install xserver-gxl compiz compiz-fusion-plugins-main compiz-kde compizconfig-settings-manager" that should get it all for you
[14:48] <stdin> mohamed_: quotes matter
[14:49] <WaltzingAlong> xevious: i think Jucato meant th ereply to your lauchpad bug post
[14:49] <genii> LiL-JoN: I've had some frustrations myself over the sh/dash/bash issue
[14:49] <stdin> mohamed_:  kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade"
[14:49] <stealthbanana> a
[14:49]  * Jucato tries to drop everything to help stdin
[14:49] <genii> work calls me, AFK a couple minutes
[14:49] <LiL-JoN> genii: i suck with all that im starting to learn bash commands i got a book :]
[14:49] <SteamMachine> hm.
[14:49] <SteamMachine> nope.
[14:49] <SteamMachine> See.
[14:50] <stealthbanana> anyone else getting their keyboard not working installing gutsy?
[14:50] <SteamMachine> I think kde is already kinda running.
[14:50] <SteamMachine> It's very weird.
[14:50] <iss_student> ubotu is that all one command
[14:50] <SteamMachine> It has a wallpaper, and I can run graphical programs.
[14:50] <byewindows> sudo bash ./ati-driver-installer-8.28.8.run   genii ?
[14:50] <byewindows> ./ati-installer.sh: 165: Syntax error: Bad substitution
[14:50] <byewindows> Removing temporary directory: fglrx-instal
[14:50] <stephie> the new intel graphics card X3100 in my notebook isn't bad... ;-)
[14:50] <SteamMachine> But there is an xterm window (top left)
[14:50] <stephie> 1200 FPS
[14:50] <byewindows> always the same...
[14:50] <stdin> iss_student: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" is yes
[14:51] <chuso> hi all :) first of all sorry for my english (i tried looking for help on kubuntu-es but nobody knows the solution)
[14:52] <LiL-JoN> chuso: whats the problemo
[14:52] <chuso> i'm trying to upgrade to gutsy with adept. I have followed the steps on http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.10-release.php but i dont get the "Version Upgrade" button. I have checked on all kubuntu updates
[14:52] <WaltzingAlong> !ati | byewindows
[14:52] <miked> what files in .kde would I have to delete or edit or copy to reset my panels to default
[14:52] <ubotu> byewindows: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[14:53] <Jucato> miked: ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc
[14:53] <miked> right now I can't configure them becuase I can't right click them
[14:53] <stdin> chuso: press Alt-F2 and put in:  kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade"
[14:53] <stdin> chuso: (quotes do matter)
[14:53] <chuso> thanks stdin!
[14:53] <miked> can you just delete will kde make new ones at reboot?
[14:54] <miked> or copy from known good?
[14:54] <Jucato> miked: just that 1 single file
[14:54] <Jucato> if you move/delete all of ~/.kde, you basically move/delete all your personal kde settings and data
[14:54] <xevious> Jucato: i just replied
[14:54] <hagabaka> hmm
[14:55] <Jucato> xevious: and I was about to reply. but you beat me. maybe later :)
[14:55] <hagabaka> i don't know what to delete to make space...there's not enough space even after cleaning apt cache
[14:56] <xevious> Jucato: i like this. a good compromise, because my only gripe was that it was illogical saying there were updates available while it was doing a major update.
[14:56] <xevious> Jucato: we dont have to stop adept from running altogether
[14:56] <Jucato> xevious: yeah I like the compromise too. and since you agreed w/ it, I don't feel like putting in my own 2 centavos :)
[14:57] <Jucato> xevious: technically adept isn't running... adept_notifier is... and it's actually the only one in the adept brothers that doesn't really lock apt down
[14:57] <xenol> i am having problems updating to gutsy following the tips on http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.10-release.php
[14:57] <byewindows> The model of the card is in the 9xxx series, 9500 or higher, or it is in the X series (e.g. X300), or it has TV-Out capability. The 'fglrx' driver does not support cards earlier than the 9500.
[14:57] <Jucato> anyway...
[14:57] <Roy_M> Hi, I have just used fdisk to wipe a compact flash ard and have now put on a clean bootable partition. The problem is that when i go to create my file system "/sbin/mkfs -t ext2 /dev/sda1" it tells me that /dev/sda1 is inuse. Can anyone help
[14:57] <byewindows> well...
[14:57] <xevious> Jucato: yeah i just caught my mistake :D
[14:57] <byewindows> and now?
[14:57] <miked> thanks Jucato I'll see what I can get to shake out
[14:58] <xevious> Jucato: what's adept coded in?
[14:58] <byewindows> with a Radeon 9200se... what can I do?;
[14:58] <Jucato> miked: didn't you see the file name I gave?
[14:58] <Jucato> xevious: KDE/Qt, C++/STL, and Python I think...
[14:58] <Jucato> xevious: you'll really have to ask the dev(s)
[14:58] <vbgunz> MidMark: any luck?
[14:58] <miked> yes I do I'm going to do some editing to see what happens at the least I'll copy a known good one from another login
[14:58] <xevious> Jucato: right-o
[14:58] <ScorpKing> wow! 421 nics! :D
[14:59] <MidMark> vbgunz: worked only with kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade" command
[14:59] <vbgunz> really
[14:59] <Jucato> miked: you can move/delete that file and KDE will generate a new one if you modify kicker
[14:59] <iss_student> Sorry for the stupid questions but do the repository names change now that there is a release?
[14:59] <xevious> Jucato: it's probably beyond me, but i'm gonna grab the source and poke around
[14:59] <vbgunz> hmmm, am on the last of my 18 packages... I'll try that next :)
[14:59] <Jucato> xevious: apt-get source adept :D
[14:59] <xevious> Jucato: gotta wait for this dist-upgrade :)
[15:00] <xevious> 3 hours left :\
[15:00] <Jucato> :)
[15:00] <pvandewyngaerde> didnt kde 4 beta 3 have a start menu ??
[15:01] <xenol> can someone help me with upgrading? i get kdesu "adept --version-upgrade" is unknown command.
[15:02] <Pennycook> Is anybody else having problems executing kdesu "adept --version-upgrade"?  Because apparently it doesn't exist.
[15:02] <huszy> xenol: kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade"
[15:02] <Pennycook> ...that was convenient
[15:03] <hungrysam> In the "upgrade" section of the KDE site.  It says at one point to:  Press alt+F2 and type kdesu "adept --version-upgrade"
[15:03] <hagabaka> is there a way to list the sizes of installed packages, ordered from the largest?
[15:03] <stealthbanana> OK, gutsy installed replacing Debian Sid (which I had for 5 years) hopefully the keyboard will be recognised with an install
[15:03] <awe> Greenery : lol i decided to press cancel, restart and try again. and it instantaneously got past that point
[15:03] <hungrysam> my computer is telling me that it doesn't recognise the:             "adept --version-upgrade"         command
[15:04] <bazhang> Distribution Release: Ubuntu 7.10 Does this mean Gutsy users are welcome here now?
[15:04] <Greenery> heh good for u
[15:04] <stdin> hungrysam: "adept_manager" not "adept"
[15:04] <Jucato> hungrysam: kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade"
[15:04] <xevious> hungrysam: hit alt-f2, type kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade"
[15:04] <stdin> bazhang: yes
[15:04] <bazhang> stdin: thanks! Hiya!
[15:04] <hungrysam> ah
[15:04] <hungrysam> thanks
[15:05] <Jucato> stdin and *: upgrade instructions have been updated
[15:05] <LiL-JoN> is startkde a command?
[15:05] <stealthbanana> hmmm, gutsy is fixing problems on a fat32 drive
[15:05] <Jucato> LiL-JoN: yes
[15:05] <Jucato> actually it's an executable script
[15:05] <letalis> if you know that a system needs upgrading and the detection of that fails during that time, is there a way to make the update-manager force the upgrade?
[15:06] <LiL-JoN> Jucato: so it starts kde right?
[15:06] <Jucato> LiL-JoN: basically, yes
[15:06] <genii> back
[15:06] <LiL-JoN> Jucato: do you think that wil fix steammachines problem
[15:06] <stdin> Jucato: I'm in the process of updating the BinaryDriverHowto pages too
[15:06] <bjwebb> hi
[15:06] <juhana> hello
[15:06] <bjwebb> w00t
[15:06] <LiL-JoN> byewindows: you fix it yet?
[15:06] <Jucato> stdin: the HowTo too? :)
[15:06] <bjwebb> im on gutsy beta, do i need to do anything other than apt-get update and upgrade?
[15:06] <miked> Jucato: deleted kickerrc and logged back in and I'm golden thanks
[15:06] <Jucato> LiL-JoN: that I don't know
[15:06] <bazhang> hi bjwebb
[15:06] <bjwebb> bazhang: hi
[15:06] <genii> byewindows: So no joy yet with running the installer I gather
[15:07] <juhana> howto upgrade from beta?
[15:07] <iss_student> Any idea when the no boot splash screen problem is going to be fixed?
[15:07] <stdin> Jucato: nope "BinaryDriverHowto" :p
[15:07] <oelewapp1rke> euhm I started the new desktop cd
[15:07] <oelewapp1rke> and it's just presenting me with a blank login screen
[15:07] <oelewapp1rke> is this normal ?
[15:07] <LiL-JoN> juhana: this isnt a search box
[15:08] <juhana> :(
[15:08] <bjwebb> juhana: im in the same position
[15:08] <bjwebb> i think its just the same as doing a normal minor upgrade
[15:09] <pag> bjwebb, juhana: " sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade "  (there probably will be 0 updates though ;)
[15:09] <juhana> thanx
[15:10] <bjwebb> pag: ahh ive done that, i was just checking that was all
[15:10] <Jucato> stdin: btw... sudo apt-get dist-upgrade --install-recommends when doing from the command line
[15:11] <Jucato> stdin: hate to do this to you again... but... gtg
[15:11] <stdin> Jucato: there is "sudo do-release-upgrade" from update-manager-core too :)
[15:11] <stdin> Jucato: Nooooooooooo!
[15:11]  * LiL-JoN thinks EVERYBODY should join #LiL-JoN
[15:11] <stdin> :p
[15:11] <stdin> LiL-JoN: why?
[15:12] <lup0> stdin: itsatrap
[15:12] <hagabaka> is update-manager-core available for non-ubuntu-server?
[15:12] <LiL-JoN> stdin: to chat?
[15:12] <stdin> hagabaka: update-manager-core is just a package, install from any version
[15:12] <hagabaka> it wasn't there when i tried to install it...
[15:12] <hagabaka> only update-manager
[15:12] <stdin> LiL-JoN: we have #kubuntu-offtopic for that, so don't spam
[15:13] <SteamMachine> LiL-JoN: hi
[15:13] <Roy_M> Hi, is there some setting or program in kubuntu that likes to take control of removable media. I am having a real hard time formatting a device because it is always "in use"
[15:13] <SteamMachine> okay
[15:13] <hagabaka> but it did give me do-release-upgrade, although it failed just because it couldn't access some unofficial repository
[15:13] <LiL-JoN> SteamMachine: did that work?
[15:13] <SteamMachine> so, no matter what session I chose, it sent me to failsafe.
[15:13] <BluesKaj> gawd the best DL speed so far is only 40kb/s, averaging only 18kbs
[15:13] <xenol> while i am trying to get feisty updated is says "fetching file 1 of 2" and it doesnt move from 0%
[15:13] <SteamMachine> however, when I typed startkde, it did in fact start kde
[15:14] <SteamMachine> there xterm is still there... and also, I don't want to have to do it every single time.
[15:14] <LiL-JoN> steam you have to add to the xsession startkde line
[15:14] <SteamMachine> Oh?
[15:14] <SteamMachine> How exactly do I?
[15:14] <LiL-JoN> hold on
[15:14] <SteamMachine> Or just send me the link again
[15:14] <pvandewyngaerde> roy > system settinys > advanced
[15:14] <LiL-JoN> join my chat
[15:15] <Roy_M> pvandewyngaerde: ah ha :)
[15:16] <vbgunz> no method to upgrade from efeisty to gutsy worked for me. am trying to replace all feisty with gutsy in my apt-sources, hope that works :/
[15:16] <BluesKaj> don't ppl bookmark important links ? gawd
[15:16] <LiL-JoN> Does anybody heere know how to edit xsession's
[15:16] <vbgunz> seriously though, this should be a no-brainer by the next version
[15:16] <nosrednaekim> LiL-JoN: hey
[15:17] <LiL-JoN> nosrednaekim: where did you go
[15:17] <nosrednaekim> LiL-JoN: I have school work to do ;)
[15:17] <LiL-JoN> nosrednaekim: me to lol
[15:17] <LiL-JoN> nosrednaekim: do you know how to edit xsession
[15:17] <nosrednaekim> LiL-JoN: sure
[15:18] <BluesKaj> LiL-JoN,   /etc//X11/xsession.d ?
[15:18] <LiL-JoN> BluesKaj: no the kde xsession
[15:19] <boubbin> debconf died when i was upgrading to gutsy and now the upgrade isnt moving forward. :/
[15:19] <BluesKaj> LiL-JoN,   /etc/X11/xsession/kde?
[15:19] <soulwarp> i has a gutsy k?
[15:19] <ksivaji> BluesKaj hi
[15:20] <BluesKaj> hi ksivaji
[15:20] <nosrednaekim> LiL-JoN: in /usr/share/xsessions/kde.desktop?
[15:20] <ksivaji> have you tried gusty
[15:20] <ksivaji> gutsy*
[15:20] <LiL-JoN> nosrednaekim: yeah
[15:20] <nosrednaekim> LiL-JoN: what do you want to edit?
[15:20] <vbgunz> well, replacing all feisty with gutsy in my sources shows me 139 new installs with over 1055 upgrades... am going for it, I hope I don't wreck anything :/
[15:21] <BluesKaj> just upgrading to it now , but if it breaks my 3d and dri , Ill prolly roll back to feisty
[15:21] <LiL-JoN> the way it starts up kde
[15:21] <bjwebb> is there a kubuntu gutsy torrent?
[15:21] <hellocommunity> bjwebb: yes
[15:21] <bjwebb> where?
[15:21] <stdin> vbgunz: try "sudo aptitude --with-recommends dist-upgrade" instead of the normal command
[15:22] <ksivaji> google
[15:22] <ksivaji> stdin hi
[15:22] <LiL-JoN> nosrednaekim:  the way it starts up kde
[15:22] <Greenery> bjwebb: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/
[15:22] <stdin> hey :)
[15:22] <vbgunz> stdin: I tried so many things and this is the only one showing results, I wait 6 months to try that or if I bork this one, I'll try it in about 6 hours :)
[15:22] <iss_student> I have KDM themes enabled but when I change the theme it doesn't change the login screen any ideas
[15:22] <nosrednaekim> LiL-JoN: eh... what aout the way it starts?
[15:22] <hellocommunity> !torrents | bjwebb
[15:22] <ubotu> bjwebb: Torrent downloads for the Ubuntu ISOs are available on all the download pages. For Gutsy: http://fr.releases.ubuntu.com/gutsy/ (CDs) or http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/7.10/release/ (DVDs) - Please download using the torrents if you can!
[15:23] <bjwebb> ubotu: good bot :D
[15:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about good bot :d - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:23] <stdin> vbgunz: the command I gave should install a proper system from upgrade, it'll only be partial otherwise
[15:23] <vbgunz> damnit.
[15:23] <vbgunz> shouldn't it just be a little easier...
[15:23] <Roy_M> pvandewyngaerde: amy device is not showing up in "Disk and Filesystems - System Settings" but the OS is still claiming the device is in use?
[15:23] <jdong> stdin: ahem shouldn't you be telling people to use update-manager-core to upgrade?
[15:24] <bjwebb> ubotu: anything
[15:24] <LiL-JoN> nosrednaekim: its not my problem im helping a kid out
[15:24] <ubotu> So, you wanted to lure me into saying I don't know anything about anything? Yeah, that would be funny, of course. Now leave me alone.
[15:24] <Angelus> Guys
[15:24] <LiL-JoN> nosrednaekim: i found the fix
[15:24] <nosrednaekim> LiL-JoN: ah..ok.
[15:24] <hellocommunity> jdong: that is for ubuntu (gnome)
[15:24] <LiL-JoN> steammachine was the guy i was trying to help lol
[15:24] <BluesKaj> LiL-JoN, pls share it with us
[15:25] <jdong> hellocommunity: update-manager-core is a CLI command, independent of any desktop environment
[15:25] <LiL-JoN> BluesKaj: he was always starting in failsafe
[15:25] <|Muzzle|>  #include <QGLWidget> -- "QGLWidget No such file or directory" what do I have to apt-get ?
[15:25] <jdong> hellcattrav: it uses the update-manager upgrading logic without the GUI frontend
[15:25] <lee98632> welllwell, It turs out that I got the upgrade last night
[15:25] <Angelus> i found my problem why the livedvd crashes and why  when i install kubuntu in textmode(which solves the problem) and then i install kubuntu-desktop which also installs powernowd crashes, the problem is powernowd, is there a way to disable it on the livecd (kernel parametre) and a way to not install when installing kubuntu desktop ? please :(
[15:25] <BluesKaj> LiL-JoN, ok
[15:25] <Angelus> BluesKaj: help me! you're my savour :P
[15:25] <Angelus> lol
[15:25] <stdin> jdong: both should work
[15:26] <jdong> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[15:26] <LiL-JoN> BluesKaj: so i had to make his /usr/share/xsessions/kde.desktop execute the command "startkde"
[15:26] <jdong> stdin: yeah, but aptitude, you need to edit sources.list, change commercial to partner, reinstall both metapackages, then do the aptitude dist-upgrade... and you don't get nice logs of failures
[15:26] <BluesKaj> sorry Angelus , dunno much about that :(
[15:26] <vbgunz> stdin: well, I stopped otherwise and tried yours. the upgrades remain at the same count but the new installs shot up to over half of what it was :/
[15:26] <nosrednaekim> LiL-JoN: thought that what it always did.
[15:26] <jdong> stdin: you're right in that both work, but doing it by hand is just more trouble for the average user
[15:26] <nosrednaekim> *was what
[15:27] <Angelus> np BluesKaj  :P
[15:27] <LiL-JoN> nosrednaekim: but his started failsafe not kde
[15:27] <stdin> jdong: average user should do 'kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade"' :)
[15:27] <BluesKaj> that's pretty standard command prompt
[15:27] <nosrednaekim> ah..right :)
[15:27] <Angelus> somebody please knows how to disable powernowd from being installed?  its crashing my pc :(
[15:27] <lee98632> bluescage, he can't saave your soul , maaybe you pc lol
[15:27] <jdong> stdin: true, but some people are extremely CLI-biased :D
[15:27] <SteamMachine> As he said, rather than going to kde, it goes to failsafe. Then I have to start kde through failsafe...
[15:27] <lee98632> angelous whats wrong?
[15:28] <stdin> jdong: then they aren't the average user, I win :p
[15:28] <LiL-JoN> SteamMachine: i can help you
[15:28] <LiL-JoN> SteamMachine: or did you fix it already?
[15:28] <nosrednaekim> SteamMachine: thats odd, do you have the default session set to be KDE?
[15:28] <SteamMachine> yes
[15:28] <SteamMachine> wait
[15:28] <vbgunz> I don't mind the cli at all. its only one t short of a lot of fun :)
[15:28] <SteamMachine> LiL-JoN: no
[15:28] <nosrednaekim> you SURE?
[15:28] <SteamMachine> absolutely.
[15:28] <SteamMachine> I checked it over and over.
[15:28] <lee98632> what is  powernowd ?
[15:28] <LiL-JoN> nosrednaekim: no matter what he picks it goes to failsafe
[15:28] <SteamMachine> mhm
[15:28] <BluesKaj> lee98632,my nick rhymes with blues-ky not cage :) euro pronunciation of the letter "j"
[15:28] <WaltzingAlong> !info powernowd | lee98632
[15:29] <ubotu> lee98632: powernowd: control cpu speed and voltage using 2.6 kernel interface. In component main, is optional. Version 0.97-1ubuntu7 (gutsy), package size 24 kB, installed size 120 kB
[15:29] <LiL-JoN> join muh channel
[15:29] <lee98632> oh sorry lol
[15:29] <stdin> LiL-JoN: stop that
[15:29] <Angelus> lee98632: powernowd crashes my computer as soon as it starts, it starts automatically in livecd and both when i install a command line system and then apt-get kubuntu-desktop :(
[15:29] <BluesKaj> NP :)
[15:29] <Angelus> WaltzingAlong: do you know how to disable it by anychace?
[15:29] <ksivaji> is there any risk in upgrading from 7.04 to 7.10 by editing source.list .
[15:29] <LjL> ksivaji: yes
[15:29] <WaltzingAlong> ksivaji: yes
[15:29] <stdin> ksivaji: the risk is that it will install a borked system
[15:30] <mneisen> Is it just me, or does updating from feisty to gutsy just not work as explained on kubuntu.com? I never get to see the update manager offering to push me up to Gutsy ... :-(
[15:30] <BluesKaj> lee98632, altho I live in Canada :)
[15:30] <lee98632> ! powernowd
[15:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about powernowd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:30] <ksivaji> borked system means
[15:30] <WaltzingAlong> Angelus: sudo aptitude purge powernowd
[15:30] <LjL> ksivaji: a non-working system.
[15:30] <WaltzingAlong> ksivaji: not working
[15:30] <stdin> ksivaji: if adept isn't working with the --version-upgrade option, then use "sudo do-release-upgrade" after installing update-manager-core
[15:30] <Angelus> WaltzingAlong: will that stop kubuntu-desktop from installing it as dependency ? :/
[15:30] <jdong> stdin: the real user draws a dependency graph by hand, and uses ar x and tar to unpack their debs and uses vi to update /var/lib/dpkg/status :)
[15:30] <ScorpKing> ksivaji: it means problems :P
[15:31] <lee98632> lol i see ill try to see waht i can find if you need to do the online up grade...do you know how to?
[15:31] <santibiotico> hi
[15:31] <santibiotico> which command may i use to know which ubuntu version i am running?
[15:31] <Jucato> santibiotico: lsb_release -a
[15:31] <stdin> jdong: nah, a real user gets out a little magnet and etches the bits directly on to the hard disk :p
[15:31] <ksivaji> santibiotico lsb_release -a
[15:31] <WaltzingAlong> Angelus: no. you could use bum to stop it from starting
[15:31] <nosrednaekim> SteamMachine: pastebin your /usr/share/xsessions/kde.desktop
[15:32] <ksivaji> etc /proc/version
[15:32] <santibiotico> thx :)
[15:32] <lee98632> Angelus can you do an online upgrade?
[15:32] <ksivaji> *cat /proc/version
[15:32] <LiL-JoN> stdin: stop what?
[15:32] <stdin> ksivaji: that only gives the kernel version
[15:32] <WaltzingAlong> !info bum | Angelus
[15:32] <ubotu> angelus: bum: graphical runlevel editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1.10-1 (gutsy), package size 82 kB, installed size 532 kB
[15:33] <LiL-JoN> stdin: i was talking to SteamMachine but it didnt come up with his name
[15:33] <Angelus> WaltzingAlong: the problem is as soon as the packagemanager tries to install powernowd as a dependenct of something, the pc crashes, i can't even boot into the livedvd cause it starts powernowd automatically, so i have to do a command line system install first.
[15:33] <stdin> LiL-JoN: no, asking people to join your channel
[15:33] <santibiotico> so if i were running a rc version, lsb_release -a output would say it?
[15:33] <BluesKaj> santibiotico, lsb_release -a
[15:33] <WaltzingAlong> santibiotico: that you have gutsy!
[15:33] <SteamMachine> nosrednaekim: this is actually LiL-JoN's, but it's identical to mine.
[15:34] <WaltzingAlong> !final | santibiotico
[15:34] <ubotu> santibiotico: If you installed a Tribe/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Gutsy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[15:34] <LiL-JoN> stdin: i was asking SteamMachine sorry i didnt meen to say it loud next time ill pvt message him
[15:34] <vbgunz> wow the kubuntu upgrade servers must be hammered... I can hit several MB but am currently at about 20kb ... heh
[15:34] <Vermux> what is x-mediaplayer2? Im trying to watch a video in a web site and Firefox cant find a plugin for that
[15:34] <BluesKaj> it would say 7.10
[15:34] <stdin> LiL-JoN: please do :)
[15:34] <WaltzingAlong> Vermux: wmv?
[15:34] <WaltzingAlong> !codecs | Vermux
[15:34] <ubotu> Vermux: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[15:35] <LiL-JoN> SteamMachine: idk how to make "startkde" start at the begining of each kde session lol its hard not alot of people have this problem
[15:35] <LiL-JoN> !failsafe
[15:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about failsafe - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:36] <SteamMachine> hmm...
[15:36] <LiL-JoN> SteamMachine:  remember im noobie
[15:37] <SteamMachine> Thanks anyway, you were kinda helpful.
[15:37] <crazy_bus> is the figure next to USER in ksensors the cpu temprature?
[15:37] <lee98632> don't feel bad amaroc has been dissabled from playing  cerytain files online :( i miss my celtic music:(
[15:38] <jfro> is it just me or is there no 'adept' command regarding the upgrade procedure? figured it out tho, adept_manager
[15:38] <sminded75> how do I turn on 3d effects with KDE on gutsy?
[15:38] <lee98632> Angelus you still online?
[15:38] <vbgunz> is gutsy KDE 3.5.7 or 3.5.8?
[15:39] <vbgunz> I thought it was 7 but read it was 8
[15:39] <sminded75> its 3.5.8
[15:39] <Angelus> lee98632: yes im here waiting for an answer
[15:39] <lee98632> i treid to render that an even with a 256 meg card it kept crashing
[15:39] <yeo_> Random Fortune: Windows without the X is like making love without a partner. Sex, Drugs & Linux Rules win-nt from the people who invented edlin. Apples have meant trouble since eden. Linux, the way to get rid of boot viruses 	-- MaDsen Wikholm<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:40] <lee98632> Angelus ok i am a searching....can you also upgrade via on line?
[15:40] <xevious> what happens if kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade" stalls and times out on the download?
[15:40] <yeniklasorr> Is 2.6.22-14 latest kernel for the ubuntu-7.10 ?
[15:40] <sminded75> anyone ...how do I turn on 3d effects with KDE on gutsy?
[15:40] <Angelus> lee98632: i CANT install kubuntu
[15:41] <huszy> xevious: try a different mirror
[15:41] <bazhang> sminded75: do you have the advanced desktop effects manager installed?
[15:41] <lee98632> sytem >settings>window behavior
[15:41] <lee98632> try taht
[15:41] <Angelus> lee98632: i can install a command line system, and then install kde , and then TRY to install kubuntu-desktop which pulls out powernowd and crashes everythng
[15:41] <sminded75> baz: i have whatecer came with 7.10
[15:41] <bazhang> sminded75: are you ok using the terminal?
[15:42] <sminded75> baz: y
[15:42] <lee98632> Ok Il see waht I can find..hopefully Iaam not the only one searching
[15:42] <Angelus> thankz lee98632
[15:42] <Angelus> :)
[15:43] <stdin> To install Compiz-Fusion: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[15:43] <Vermux> WaltzingAlong: these are instructions for Ubuntu. how do I find applications in Kubuntu?
[15:43] <sminded75> in GNOME its easy to turn on compiz but dunno how in KDE
[15:43] <stdin> Vermux: look up ^ :)
[15:43] <bazhang> sminded75: sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager compiz-fusion-plugins-main compiz-fusion-plugins-extra emerald compiz-kde
[15:43] <Angelus> sminded75: in KDE is easy, just run compiz-fusion icon , and select compiz as window manager
[15:44] <Black_Monkey> hi, how have feisty>gutsy upgrades been going for people? working ok?
[15:44] <sminded75> baz: should i really need that with 7.10, should it not be installed by default?
[15:44] <bazhang> sminded75: it's not.
[15:44] <crazy_bus> !sensors
[15:44] <ubotu> You might find something useful at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto
[15:44] <WaltzingAlong> Vermux: kubuntu.org
[15:45] <sminded75> angelus: where do i find the compiz-fusion icon?
[15:45] <jfro> what do i do if kdesu fail to do anything
[15:46] <Angelus> sminded75: on its website i think, iforgot,  join #compiz-fusion
[15:46] <jfro> kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade" just sits there, in fact kdesu anything just sits there
[15:47] <Black_Monkey> stdin: looks like the topic's too long, the end of that url's cut off
[15:47] <sminded75> .......if I understand correctly, compiz-fusion is only installed default on ubuntu and not kubuntu?? weird...
[15:47] <stdin> Black_Monkey: yeah, I'm shortening it
[15:47] <sub[t]rnl> sminded75: not weird
[15:47] <jfro> nobody?
[15:47] <sminded75> sub: so whats the rationale behind it then?
[15:48] <Black_Monkey> ok :-)
[15:48] <bazhang> kde4
[15:48] <sub[t]rnl> sminded75: compiz-fusion was tailored for gnome
[15:48] <jfro> ugh, linux sucks
[15:48] <sminded75> i see
[15:49] <WaltzingAlong> thanks
[15:49] <lee98632> Angelus errg iam a still searching..I fouund out waht it is but, I can't find out how to dissable it
[15:49] <jfro> anybody there? am i not even actually talking
[15:50] <sminded75> sub: thanks for clearing that out... im back on gnome then :/
[15:50] <elSandros> subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Segmentation fault), core dumped
[15:50] <elSandros> now, it did NOT want to see that
[15:51] <JuJuBee> Hello everybody
[15:51] <sminded75> ...give me a reason not to switch back to gnome (haha)
[15:51] <Greenery> KDE 4
[15:51] <igniter> Hello
[15:51] <jfro> anybody tell me how to make kdesu work?
[15:51] <sminded75> KDE 4 is the shit?
[15:52] <jfro> all the sudden it stopped working at all
[15:52] <LjL> !language
[15:52] <stdin> !language | sminded75
[15:52] <ubotu> sminded75: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[15:52] <jfro> nobody?
[15:53] <sminded75> jfro: reinstall it?
[15:53] <bazhang> jfro
[15:53] <bazhang> jfro: what's the issue?
[15:53] <jfro> trying to run the upgrade but the kdesu process fails to work now
[15:53] <jfro> kdesu anyprogram
[15:53] <jfro> hangs
[15:53] <jfro> i can do kdesu xeyes and it'll fail to work
[15:53] <sminded75> reinstall kdesu
[15:53] <igniter> I've got a problem updating to 7.10. I'm upgrading from 7.04, when I click on Manage Repositories, I don't get that window shown in "Upgrading from 7.04 (Feisty)". I get a list of repositories instead.
[15:53] <JuJuBee> I have been trying for weeks to get my dual head setup working with my laptop (ATI Radeon 9600).  FINALLY...  Now how to I make sure my config will work when I restart?
[15:54] <JuJuBee> I used aticonfig statements to get everyting working.
[15:54] <stdin> igniter: read the instructions again you need to make sure the repositories are enabled then restart adept
[15:54] <jfro> sminded75: kdesu isn't a package itself
[15:54] <elSandros> and, as it was, reporting the bug-utility doesn't work either...
[15:54] <jfro> and seems like sudo adept_manager --version-upgrade ends upf ailing
[15:55] <lee98632> !info powernowd
[15:55] <ubotu> powernowd: control cpu speed and voltage using 2.6 kernel interface. In component main, is optional. Version 0.97-1ubuntu7 (gutsy), package size 24 kB, installed size 120 kB
[15:55] <Angelus> lee98632: you found something ? :p
[15:55] <Angelus> :D
[15:55] <jfro> got it to work again, wtf
[15:56] <lee98632> form wwaht I am guessing its built in to the disk
[15:56] <lee98632> can you get the alternate version?
[15:56] <lee98632> the on that won't use taht...?
[15:57] <JuJuBee> Anybody?  I want to make sure my current display settings (dual head ATI 9600) work as they do now after a restart.
[15:58] <lee98632> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloading?release=desktop-newest&arch=i386&mirror=http%3A%2F%2Fmirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca%2Fubuntu-releases%2F&debug=%5B%27country_US%27%2C+%27country_UK%27%2C+%27continent_NA%27%5D&download-button=&alternatecd=alternate
[15:58] <jfro> i gave up on dual head, i got it working but it had issues
[15:58] <lee98632> try the alternate download sik
[15:58] <WaltzingAlong> !dualhead
[15:58] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[15:58] <lee98632> eh disk
[15:58] <JuJuBee> I have dual head working now.  But if I restart, the settings are all screwed up...I have to reconfigure it after each restart.
[15:59] <lee98632> the alternate can go in to text mode angelus
[15:59] <lee98632> but then there the other question
[16:00] <Mithsir> Hi! I just upgraded to Gutsy. How do I make compiz start automatically?
[16:00] <stdin> !autostart
[16:00] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[16:00] <igniter> stdin, instead of getting this window http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kubuntu-upgrade/snapshot2.png I get a repositories list. I can't enable the "Recommended updates" and "Pre release updates" boxes
[16:00] <iss_student> Can anybody tell me where to find usplash.conf?
[16:00] <WaltzingAlong> igniter: sudo aptitude install software-properties-kde
[16:00] <lee98632> Angelus somthing else to think about is if the cdrom is crashing your pc...then that program when it launches verry well might crash you system too
[16:00] <WaltzingAlong> iss_student: locate usplash.conf
[16:00] <stdin> igniter: you can't ?
[16:01] <igniter> WaltzingAlong: ok, ty
[16:01] <igniter> stdin: no, will try that command
[16:01] <diovunll> it's in etc
[16:01] <stdin> iss_student: /etc/usplash.conf
[16:01] <E_mE> ive now got both monitors working on KDE.. but when i move my mouse into the second screen, the pointer turns into a corrupted image or so
[16:01] <lee98632> Angelus taht is if it comes enabled after the loading
[16:01] <hero> when i try to edit a contact in kontact or edit a task, i get an error message saying that the record is in use by another process.  i killed kontact and restarted - still have the same problem.  any ideas?
[16:02] <xevious> e_me: sounds like a problem with the hardware cursor
[16:02] <Vermux> stdin: it doesnt help
[16:03] <stdin> Vermux: what doesn't help?
[16:03] <pvandewyngaerde> my klauncher crashes randomly
[16:04] <WaltzingAlong> pvandewyngaerde: using kde4?
[16:04] <Vermux> stdin: it is not clear what should I do in order to play simple video with kubuntu.
[16:05] <WaltzingAlong> Vermux: which video?
[16:05] <pvandewyngaerde> nope KDE3.5.8 in kubuntu gutsy, but i guess its because i did a bad kopete-bug patch
[16:05] <pvandewyngaerde> trying to undo it now
[16:05] <rand_acs> Vermux: best thing imo is to install KMplayer and use that, works perfectly
[16:05] <Paradigm_Shift> I am using Gutsy Beta and am trying to perform the Distribution Upgrade (I only need to upgrade 8 aplications). Is anyone else running into a problem with the actual installation step of the upgrade? All files seemed to download just fine, but the actual implementation just hangs.
[16:05] <Vermux> WaltzingAlong: video from a web site. firefox doesnt have the plugin x-mplayer2
[16:07] <WaltzingAlong> !info mozilla-mplayer | Vermux
[16:07] <ubotu> vermux: mozilla-mplayer: MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.40-5ubuntu5 (gutsy), package size 505 kB, installed size 1760 kB
[16:08] <yeo_> hey guys. im upgrading from feisty fawn to gutsy gibbon. using the instructions found here - http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.10-release.php#upgrade . But, stuck on part 6. system says theres no such command as adept :s
[16:08] <Vermux> rand_acs: I installed it but it doesnt help play a video from the web
[16:09] <emiliano> qualcuno sa usare linux
[16:09] <yeo_> (tried apt-get install adept - says most current version installed)
[16:09] <yeo_> plz help :)
[16:09] <hero> when i try to edit a contact in kontact or edit a task, i get an error message saying that the record is in use by another process.  i killed kontact and restarted - still have the same problem.  any ideas?
[16:09] <Angelus> lee98632:  i know that it comes enabled after loading (livecd) and crashes the pc
[16:09] <Angelus> :p
[16:09] <stdin> yeo_: kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade"    (quotes matter)
[16:09] <WaltzingAlong> yeo_: adept underscore manager
[16:09] <santibiotico> any mirror where i can download gutsy final? i've tried 2 where i found a non-rc that finally was a rc
[16:09] <igniter> WaltzingAlong: that did it, thank you
[16:09] <yeo_> ahh. mistake in the instructions?
[16:09] <igniter> stdin: thank you too
[16:09] <Russel> hiho
[16:10] <Russel> i try an alternativ install cd but the lcd stays black after booting the kernel
[16:10] <stdin> yeo_: where does it say "kdesu "adept --version-upgrade" ?
[16:10] <WaltzingAlong> igniter: great
[16:10] <elSandros> are there no dvd-images of gutsy?
[16:10] <yeo_> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.10-release.php#upgrade
[16:10] <MidMark> yeah perl segmentation fault
[16:10] <Black_Monkey> yeo_: that says adept_manager...
[16:10] <stdin> yeo_: I'm looking at it, and it says "7. Press alt+F2 and type kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade" "
[16:10] <rand_acs> Vermux: what medai are you attempting to play?
[16:10] <WaltzingAlong> yeo_: or refers to Adept the shortcut off of kmenu
[16:11] <MidMark> now says that want to continue to install, but it stopped
[16:11] <yeo_> not on mimne
[16:11] <yeo_> mine
[16:11] <MidMark> any idea?
[16:11] <sminded75> ...guys... I have installed compiz-fusion on kubuntu but how do I enable it?
[16:11] <stdin> To install Compiz-Fusion: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[16:11] <Vermux> rand_acs:  a video from a web site. forefox says x-mplayer2 plugin is missing - and it cannot find the plugin for that
[16:11] <yeo_> thanks anyway :)
[16:11] <lee98632> Angelus then there may not be a way to dissable the live Cd version
[16:12] <MidMark> any idea?
[16:12] <WaltzingAlong> yeo_: send over a screenshot
[16:12] <lee98632> it might be a bug
[16:12] <Mithsir> hi! ccsm keeps crashing, how can I configure compiz?
[16:12] <MidMark> what can I do if the upgrade stop?
[16:12] <yeo_> k
[16:12] <lee98632> for example when I used a cd that had the beta version..my windows was aalllscroabled
[16:12] <sub[t]rnl> Mithsir: what is ccsm complaining about when it crashes?
[16:12] <Angelus> lee98632: i know, but is it posible that after installing a command line system, and trying to install kubuntu-desktop preventing it from pulling in ad installing powernowd ?
[16:12] <Angelus> :p
[16:13] <hero> what are the benefits of upgrading from feisty to gutsy?
[16:13] <Mithsir> sub[t]rnl: Segmentation fault (core dumped) (emerald-theme-manager -i has the same problem)
[16:13] <lee98632> that I wouldnt know, waht options are in the live Cd?
[16:13] <blendtux> .......;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;........;..............;.....................
[16:13] <blendtux> ehm
[16:13] <blendtux> oeps
[16:13] <lee98632> I am downloading it to find out too
[16:13] <blendtux> sorry
[16:13] <Angelus> lee98632: i can install kubuntu, by installing a command line system
[16:14] <sub[t]rnl> Mithsir: do an apt-get --purge remove compizconfig-settings and reinstall it
[16:14] <yeo_> WaltzingAlong, there u go
[16:14] <Angelus> lee98632:  then from comamnd line system, when i try to apt-get install kubutnu-desktop, it pulls in powernowd wich fux0rz everything
[16:14] <Angelus> L:s
[16:14] <WaltzingAlong> yeo_: thanks have accepted
[16:14] <yeo_> now it has changed after a few refreshes :)
[16:15] <lee98632> Angelus aare you also running a 64 bit machine or cabable of it?
[16:15] <MidMark> ok I retry
[16:15] <Mithsir> sub[t]rnl: ty, I'll try
[16:15] <Angelus> lee98632: yes it's capable of it
[16:15] <MidMark> my update stopped for a segmentation fault
[16:15] <MidMark> what I have to do??
[16:15] <rand_acs> Vermux: weird, never had such a thing, all I can suggest is go and look in adept and see if you find mplayer plugins(relating to browsers) that's not installed
[16:15] <lee98632> ok did you try the 64 bit version?
[16:15] <WaltzingAlong> yeo_: ok thanks :D well if it was wrong we would want to change it to prevent the issues with the next wave of those installing
[16:15] <Angelus> lee98632: intresting, because when i tried Gutsy RC the 64bit versin the error didn't happen
[16:15] <rand_acs> Vermux: btw, which version are you running, x86 or x86_64?
[16:15] <Paradigm_Shift> Anyone else running into problems upgrading from Gutsy Beta???
[16:15] <yeo_> happy to help :)
[16:15] <MidMark> Paradigm_Shift: yes me
[16:16] <MidMark> none has giving a solution
[16:16] <Vermux> rand_acs: 32
[16:16] <MidMark> an installer that stops entire upgrade for a simple segmentation fault in a single package
[16:16] <MidMark> that is not possible
[16:16] <lee98632> Iam unfortunately running x86 because my drivers won't work in 64 bit
[16:16] <yeo_> hopefully once my C++ is good enough ill be able to contribute even more :)
[16:16] <Paradigm_Shift> MidMark, I am stalled at the actual installation of the upgraded files
[16:16] <rand_acs> Vermux: ah, I'm running 64 and there's this awesome script that installs everything you need for the browser
[16:16] <lee98632> try the 64 bit then
[16:16] <Paradigm_Shift> MidMark, step 4 of 6
[16:17] <yeo_> hmm timed out
[16:17] <stdin> !final | Paradigm_Shift
[16:17] <ubotu> Paradigm_Shift: If you installed a Tribe/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Gutsy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[16:17] <lee98632> Iam guessing that the live cd is missreading soemthing
[16:18] <Mithsir> sub[t]rnl: didn't help - it crashes as soon as I click, e.g. General Options.
[16:18] <Angelus> lee98632: hmm tonight i'll download Gutsy 64bit , but i hope it wil lhave the option to install in text , cause my video card is too new :p
[16:18] <Paradigm_Shift> uboto, I will try the command line method. I installed Gutsy Beta from CD and when I updated Adept the Upgrade button appreared
[16:18] <WaltzingAlong> Angelus: then grab the dvd
[16:18] <lee98632> oh you want the Alternate Cd then
[16:18] <WaltzingAlong> Angelus: then grab the dvd or the alternate
[16:18] <lee98632> Angelus use the alternate cd
[16:18] <sub[t]rnl> Mithsir: is there any other information you can gather that it is complaining about before the seg fault?
[16:18] <Paradigm_Shift> when doing that upgrade it hangs after downloading and trung to actually install the files
[16:18] <yeo_> WaltzingAlong, DCC failed - http://silenceisdefeat.org/~tok3n/snapshot1.jpg
[16:19] <Angelus> lee98632: or the DVD :p
[16:19] <Angelus> the dvd have both
[16:19] <Angelus> :p
[16:19] <Mithsir> sub[t]rnl: not really...
[16:19] <stdin> yeo_: press refresh ?
[16:19] <MidMark> is there any developer here?
[16:19] <lee98632> Angelus http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
[16:19] <stdin> MidMark: #kubuntu-devel
[16:19] <lee98632> chose alternate cd
[16:19] <yeo_> yes its been fixed now. just providing the screenie as promised ;)
[16:19] <WaltzingAlong> stdin: yeo_ mentioned that now it shows correctly
[16:19] <Mithsir> sub[t]rnl: Its a pythonscript - I dunno how to debug it...
[16:19] <WaltzingAlong> thanks yeo_
[16:20] <yeo_> np
[16:20] <stdin> well, no ones perfect. even the devs make typos
[16:20] <stdin> :)
[16:20] <yeo_> yip yip
[16:20] <Vermux> stdin: do I have to add a third party repository maybe?
[16:21] <stdin> Vermux: to play what?
[16:21] <stdin> what type
[16:21] <yeo_> ahh i think i have to close all open apps during update :(
[16:21] <kaminix> Kopete crashes when I try to connect to MSN in brand new Gutsy install :s
[16:21] <stdin> kaminix: it's known, the fix is on it's way
[16:21] <RytmenPinnen> yes, it says so in the release notes too
[16:21] <Paradigm_Shift> uboto, tried upgrading using apt-get - nothing to upgrade, so why the Version upgrade prompt using Adept?
[16:21] <lontra> kaminix: see Riddell's post on planet.ubuntu.com for a fix
[16:22] <Jucato> stdin: should I give him the link?
[16:22] <Vermux> stdin: x-mplayer2
[16:22] <WaltzingAlong> kaminix: there is already a fix for that  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/153500   fixed packages at the bottom
[16:22] <stdin> Jucato: if you have it, I didn't have it to hand
[16:22] <Jucato> stdin: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3041 just in case....
[16:22] <kaminix> stdin, lontral WaltzingAlong: When will the fix be offical and get into the repos?
[16:22] <WaltzingAlong> kaminix: it is in proposed already afaik
[16:22] <emilsedgh> Jucato: it should go to topic!
[16:22] <Jucato> kaminix: I guess as soon as the freeze on the repositories are lifted
[16:23] <kowesix> anyone knows a reason why i cant mount my external hdd (ntfs) even tho i installed the ntfs configuration tool (+enabled it for external drives)
[16:23] <yeo_> bbl guys. gonna let it update
[16:23] <kaminix> When will the freeze be lifted?
[16:23] <stdin> Paradigm_Shift: you don't need to do a version upgrade, you're already running gutsy
[16:23]  * Jucato shrugs...
[16:23]  * RytmenPinnen just followed the steps to upgrade but doesnt have a verions upgrade button
[16:23] <Klowner> wow, the mirrors are so full it's difficult to download the torrent files :)
[16:23] <WaltzingAlong> !final | RytmenPinnen
[16:23] <ubotu> RytmenPinnen: If you installed a Tribe/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Gutsy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[16:23] <Jucato> RytmenPinnen: make sure that pre-release updates are enabled
[16:23] <stdin> RytmenPinnen: see the link in the topic
[16:24] <lee98632> erg canadas the only one with power to keep up lol
[16:24] <WaltzingAlong> RytmenPinnen:  sudo aptitude install software-properties-kde
[16:24] <Jucato> RytmenPinnen: the instructions were updated a few hours ago
[16:24]  * RytmenPinnen is runnin 7.04
[16:24] <Paradigm_Shift> stdin, I understand that :). How can I get Adept to stop prompting to perform an upgrade (as opposed to a dist-upgrade)?
[16:24] <RytmenPinnen> ok
[16:24] <Paradigm_Shift> stdin, should I edit the apt.sources???
[16:24] <stdin> Paradigm_Shift: I don't know what you mean, what it adept doing?
[16:24] <lee98632> try the bloody Iso files there overloaded aswell
[16:25] <lee98632> Iam hitting canada
[16:25] <lee98632> and its even slow
[16:25] <lee98632> its the only one that is working atm
[16:25] <kowesix> anyone knows a reason why i cant mount my external hdd (ntfs) even tho i installed the ntfs configuration tool (+enabled it for external drives)
[16:25] <Paradigm_Shift> stdin, in Adept, after fetching updates I get a new button on the tool bar for a version upgrade (as opposed to the full upgrade button that is always visible).
[16:25] <lee98632> and its at 18.kpbs
[16:26] <WaltzingAlong> kowesix: no give us more data. what are you doing to mount it?
[16:26] <scheater7> kowesix: how is it not mounting?  That is, how are you trying to mount it
[16:26] <Paradigm_Shift> stdin, if I click on the Version Upgrade, the process goes fine - files download, etc. But it stalls at the step of actually installing the files it successfully downloaded
[16:26] <Vermux> where can I find this in kubuntu :Click Applications → Add/Remove. In the top right, change the setting to All available applications. Then select Other in the left panel and then select the Ubuntu restricted extras package. Click OK.
[16:26] <scheater7> :) beat me to it
[16:26] <WaltzingAlong> Paradigm_Shift: so you want it to no longer show that a new version of kubuntu is available?
[16:27] <kowesix> mhm more details.. just turning it on and  waiting for automount... :) then it says something like: hal-storage-removeable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000
[16:27] <WaltzingAlong> !info kubuntu-restricted-extras | Vermux
[16:27] <ubotu> vermux: kubuntu-restricted-extras: Commonly used restricted packages. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 10 (gutsy), package size 3 kB, installed size 32 kB
[16:27] <MidMark> ok if I restart upgrade says that a process is locking all, which is?
[16:28] <Paradigm_Shift> WaltzingAlong, ummmm, errrr, yessss, but I really just want to make sure that the system is correctly updated and in sync with 7.10 final.
[16:28] <stdin> Paradigm_Shift: report that on launchpad and show the report in #kubuntu-devel
[16:28] <lee98632> holy cow this is gna take fior ever.......estemated time is 15 hours
[16:28] <genii> back
[16:28] <Vermux> WaltzingAlong: and what I suppose to do with this information?
[16:28] <lee98632> and thats high speed net
[16:28] <lontra> lee98632: wait till tomorrow then
[16:29] <scheater7> kowesix: I've never had a problem with ntfs external harddrives.  Have you tried going into systemsettings/kcontrol and making a mountpoint for it?
[16:29] <WaltzingAlong> Vermux: i thought you wanted to install the kubuntu restricted extras (in ubuntu it is called ubuntu-restricted-extras) so use whatever way you prefer to install the package. apt-get, aptitude, adept, so on
[16:29] <lontra> lee98632: or saturday ... till the flood stops
[16:29] <MidMark> ok if I restart upgrade says that a process is locking all, which is?
[16:29] <lee98632> yeah I  have it updated already, I just wanted to test something on a second HDD
[16:29] <Vermux> WaltzingAlong: I want to, but what do I type in the Search field?
[16:30] <lee98632> re there really that many people using this?
[16:30] <lontra> lee98632: all the mirrors are going to be super slow because of the load on them ... you should use bittorrent :)
[16:30] <WaltzingAlong> Vermux: with adept manager ? restricted
[16:30] <WaltzingAlong> Vermux: with adept manager ? kubuntu-restricted-extras         would be it exactly
[16:30] <lontra> lee98632: there are ~1500 people in #ubuntu right now
[16:30] <lee98632> don't know how to
[16:30] <lee98632> *faints*
[16:30] <lontra> lee98632: just download the .torrent file and ktorrent will automatically open and start seeding it
[16:31] <kowesix> scheater7: i just noticed i cant create folders in the /media/ folder via gui.. and via cli he says mission denied -.-
[16:31] <WaltzingAlong> anything thinking majors releases like this should be done through torrent (like WoW) so each just updating packages is getting them through the torrent?
[16:31] <lee98632> so in a way Id be helping others then
[16:31] <scheater7> lee98632: in regards to bittorrent, I'm downloading the amd64 iso right now and getting 100+KS/s
[16:31] <lontra> lee98632: then the torrent file will be saved like an ordinary .iso
[16:31] <lontra> lee98632: exactly
[16:31] <scheater7> *make that KB/s
[16:31] <lee98632> ok how do I go aobut doing that nd how many should I alow?
[16:31] <Vermux> WaltzingAlong: I found ubuntu restricted extras
[16:31] <kowesix> nvm scheater7, worked with sudo and now i'm able to mount it :D thanks
[16:32] <scheater7> kowesix:  I was just about to suggest you check the file ownership
[16:32] <BluesKaj> I was a subscriber to cnet's RSS feeds for about 5 mins ...shoulda known they nothing but a poorly disguised promoter of MS apps and products and not so poorly disguised anti-linux
[16:32] <Vermux> WaltzingAlong: is that it?
[16:32] <scheater7> kowesix: The folder is set so that root only can edit it.
[16:33] <BluesKaj> no news on CNET about Gutsy ...imagine that :)
[16:33] <WaltzingAlong> Vermux: the one for ubuntu sure
[16:33]  * lontra doesn't see bittorrent on kubuntu's website
[16:34] <WaltzingAlong> !torrents | lontra
[16:34] <ubotu> lontra: Torrent downloads for the Ubuntu ISOs are available on all the download pages. For Gutsy: http://fr.releases.ubuntu.com/gutsy/ (CDs) or http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/7.10/release/ (DVDs) - Please download using the torrents if you can!
[16:34] <WaltzingAlong> !aptfix
[16:34] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[16:34] <lontra> lee98632: see that from WaltzingAlong ^^^^
[16:35] <igniter> my system is updating to 7.10 right now, as I'm typing this.... awesomely convinient, thank you guys for the help
[16:35] <lontra> igniter: don't forget to thank debian for the awesome tools
[16:36] <igniter> thank you debian for the awesome tools :)
[16:36] <stdin> yes, go to #debian and thank them for kubuntu
[16:36] <stdin> (then run like hell)
[16:36] <igniter> haha
[16:36] <blendtux> oke i am going to do it
[16:36] <BluesKaj> debian is ok ,but a bit behind in some ways
[16:36] <WaltzingAlong> BluesKaj: focus is different
[16:36] <lee98632> eh ok um..Its doing something I said use bit torent thingy
[16:37] <BluesKaj> err focus ? that's a pretty general term
[16:37] <scheater7> O lord...why do I feel this going down a long slippery slope
[16:37] <blendtux> done stdin
[16:37] <lee98632> instead of saving to disk?
[16:37] <Vermux> WaltzingAlong: installing
[16:37] <WaltzingAlong> something like more on stability than on bleeding edge
[16:37] <WaltzingAlong> Vermux: alright
[16:37] <Angelus> hmm
[16:37] <stdin> blendtux: have you been banned yet? :p
[16:37] <Angelus> kubuntu has i thing i don't like
[16:37] <blendtux> nope no respons
[16:37] <Angelus> it has many outdated software
[16:37] <Angelus> :/
[16:37] <Angelus> like amsn
[16:37] <Angelus> :/
[16:38] <BluesKaj> yeah sure , couldn't get 3d or DRI on ATI on Debian
[16:38] <lontra> BluesKaj: nah just run Debian Testing or Unstable
[16:38] <scheater7> Angelus: What OS doesn't, except maybe if you spin your own LFS
[16:38] <lontra> BluesKaj: i've had more stability issues with kubuntu than debian unstable ... i'm hoping that changes with 7.10
[16:38] <WaltzingAlong> Angelus: amsn was installed with kubuntu?
[16:38] <Angelus> scheater7: gentoo has everything up to date
[16:38] <Angelus> WaltzingAlong:  amsn can be installed in kubuntu
[16:38] <Angelus> but its an outdated version
[16:38] <Angelus> :s
[16:38] <Angelus> :S
[16:38] <WaltzingAlong> Angelus: sure it can be
[16:39] <Angelus> i know it can be
[16:39] <Angelus> :/
[16:39] <Angelus> thats what im telling you
[16:39] <Angelus> but its OUTDATED
[16:39] <lontra> Angelus: what do you need the newest version for?
[16:39] <scheater7> Angelus: but surely there's some software in Gentoo you don't like.  Or something they do you don't agree with.
[16:39] <Angelus> lontra: the newer version is less bugged
[16:39] <WaltzingAlong> Angelus: i could install mozilla .6 on here too, what do you mean?
[16:39] <lee98632> lontra I have it figured out I think.... eh was I to save the file to disk or run the bit torent
[16:39] <stdin> !ot | gentoo is not kubuntu
[16:39] <ubotu> gentoo is not kubuntu: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[16:39] <Angelus> lontra: the newer version is less bugged
[16:39] <lontra> Angelus: hopes so
[16:39] <WaltzingAlong> Angelus: perhaps
[16:39] <lontra> Angelus: if not i'll be back to debian :)
[16:39] <blendtux> Angelus: what version is the latest for amsn
[16:39] <lontra> lee98632: run the torrent file
[16:39] <WaltzingAlong> Angelus: and if you were not affected by the previous bugs then no different to you
[16:40] <genii> byew     bleh no wonder tab completion doesn't work, byewindows left. i discovered the crux of his problem, anyhow.LOL
[16:40] <Angelus> WaltzingAlong: i am affacted by the bugs
[16:40] <BluesKaj> lontra, we can only hope and pray
[16:40] <Angelus> WaltzingAlong: as a matter of fact, i don;t install software from the package manager , but compile them myself
[16:40] <lee98632> ok did that hten
[16:40] <Angelus> so i have less bugs :p
[16:40] <lontra> BluesKaj: he he
[16:40] <lee98632> erg need to walk my dog
[16:40]  * genii wanders on autopilot to the coffee urn
[16:40] <WaltzingAlong> Angelus: so there you have it. you have the lastest <insert package here> on your kubuntu, bravo/a to you
[16:40] <stdin> Angelus: general chat in #kubuntu-offtopic thanks
[16:40] <TimS> Gutsy time kisd
[16:41] <TimS> kids*
[16:41] <Vermux> WaltzingAlong: it asks me to agree to the terms for debconf- java. What does it mean?
[16:41] <Angelus> stdin: its not a chat :o
[16:41] <WaltzingAlong> Vermux: sun's java's terms?
[16:41] <Vermux> WaltzingAlong: operating system distributer for java...
[16:41] <stdin> Angelus: if it's not kubuntu support, then it's in -offtopic
[16:41] <Vermux> WaltzingAlong: yes
[16:41] <Angelus> but is there a way to get updates for certain packages like amsn on kubuntu
[16:41] <BluesKaj> the canadian repos are awfully slow ...gonna take all day to fetch and install gutsy
[16:42] <lee98632> oh hi genii i need to appologise for that abrrupt leaviong.....turns out that the drivers  only work in 32 bit.....i am gusdsing....the 64 sie is screwed up some how
[16:42] <WaltzingAlong> Vermux: so seems to be the sun java license
[16:42] <jpatrick> BluesKaj: considering the people upgrading, that's not bad
[16:42] <Vermux> WaltzingAlong: yes, but what does it mean?
[16:42] <lontra> BluesKaj: use bittorrent and share :)
[16:43] <WaltzingAlong> Vermux: if you accept the sun java license; the terms of how you can use java
[16:43] <Vermux> WaltzingAlong: are conflicts going to ocur if I download it? because it seems it is not free
[16:43] <BluesKaj> lee98632, 64bit leaves quite a few holes I'm afraid...still not ready for prime time IMHO
[16:43] <Vermux> WaltzingAlong: but kubuntu is free and java is licenced
[16:43] <WaltzingAlong> sure so do you want sun's java?
[16:43] <BluesKaj> lontra, I'm net upgrading from feisty
[16:43] <lontra> you can install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[16:44] <oliver_> Anyone have an WLAN-Card with RT61 Chipset and Gutsy working?
[16:44] <genii> lee98632: Actually i found a page may help you, I just did it and it worked. the installer is for both 32 and 64 bit. http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Feisty_Installation_Guide#Method_2:_Install_the_8.41.7_Driver_Manually
[16:44] <lontra> BluesKaj: oh ... well have fun :D
[16:44] <BluesKaj> hehe
[16:44] <WaltzingAlong> Vermux: btw i have it on my machine
[16:44] <Vermux> WaltzingAlong: many web sites use Java. can I operate Kubuntu without it with no restrictions?
[16:44] <WaltzingAlong> Vermux: sure java works on kubuntu
[16:44] <WaltzingAlong> !java | Vermux
[16:44] <ubotu> Vermux: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[16:45] <genii> lee98632: needs module-assistant package and some others which are listed there.
[16:45] <Klowner> Vermux: java or javascript?
[16:45] <WaltzingAlong> emcascript?
[16:45] <Vermux> Klowner: java version 1.1 (DLJ)
[16:45] <BluesKaj> kinda difficult to surf without java ..necessarily evil I'm afraid
[16:45] <Klowner> Vermux: oh ok, ya check out what ubotu said
[16:46] <WaltzingAlong> Vermux: seems you want to install it and the two work together (java + kubuntu)
[16:46] <Vermux> WaltzingAlong: ok
[16:46] <yaccin> why was the option to hide the scrollbar in kopete removed? :(
[16:46] <xevious> noooo it was?
[16:47] <xevious> nooo!
[16:47] <yaccin> yes :(
[16:47]  * xevious punches his monitor
[16:47] <WaltzingAlong> !info preload
[16:47] <ubotu> preload: adaptive readahead daemon. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4-4 (gutsy), package size 33 kB, installed size 172 kB
[16:48] <yaccin> at least wminput works :)
[16:48] <Klowner> readahead daemon? creepy
[16:49] <WaltzingAlong> !info prelink
[16:49] <ubotu> prelink: ELF prelinking utility to speed up dynamic linking. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.0.20061201-1ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 683 kB, installed size 1044 kB (Only available for alpha amd64 i386 powerpc ppc64)
[16:50] <yamar> has anyone had problems using Adept to go from 7.04 - 7.10? Is it better to just use 'apt-get' ?
[16:50] <MidMark> ok guys I have this situation
[16:50] <thorns> yamar: Yes, I thin kso
[16:50] <Vermux> WaltzingAlong: it still not playing the video. Do I have to sign out kubuntu?
[16:51] <MidMark> a package segmented fault and throw away me from updrade, now I'm able to restart upgrade but it crash soon without restarting
[16:51] <yamar> thx thorns that's what i thought
[16:51] <MidMark> any idea???
[16:51] <lontra> yamar: it adept poops out on you ... just use apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade after
[16:51] <thorns> yamar: The most frequent bug I had with Tribe 5 was that what Adept couldn't install, apt and aptitude could
[16:51] <lontra>  er ... apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:51] <lee98632> the mirror has been broken unable to host
[16:52] <MidMark> lontra: could be help me aswell?
[16:52] <lontra> MidMark: do you do this through adept?
[16:53] <MidMark> lontra: the update stopped and now I'm unable to restart it
[16:53] <MidMark> well it restarts but then close
[16:53] <bipolar> Are there any tools in Kubuntu's install to make use of full disk encryption? What I would really like is a system that has /boot on a removable USB drive (which would also contain the keys) so that nothing on the laptop is unencrypted.
[16:53] <lontra> MidMark: what i'd suggest is 1.  make sure your /etc/apt/sources.list is pointed to Gutsy and not Edgy (change the word Edgy to Gutsy), then run sudo apt-get update (from a terminal), then run sudo apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:53] <lontra> MidMark: that'll give you gutsy
[16:53] <genii> thorns: Not a bug as such, just that aptitude and apt-get handle dependencies better than Adept
[16:54] <scheater7> bipolar: check out truecrypt.  I don't know a thing about encryption, but I've heard that word batted around with respect.
[16:54] <lontra> thorns: and aptitude handles dependencies better than apt-get
[16:54] <lee98632> genii eh jsut a sec
[16:56] <John117> Everybody and their uncle mus be downloading. :) Transfer rate went from 200+ down to 15 in the past two hours. LOL
[16:56] <lee98632> OH TY genni
[16:56] <kaminix> Hrm... is there any easy way to change the passwordprompt for sudo in Gutsy so that it'll look like it used to?
[16:56] <stdin> kaminix: no
[16:56] <kaminix> Okay.
[16:57] <sqint> Hi. I just went through a Kubuntu upgrade, and at the very end (during the cleaning of the obsolete packages), update-manager started hogging >90% of memory, and eventually crashed X
[16:57] <genii> lee98632: np
[16:57] <kaminix> Suppose I'll live... :p
[16:57] <sqint> I had to reboot
[16:57] <noam_> yeah it's around 20kb/s now :/
[16:57] <blendtux> bipolar: why go to all the hassle, just encrypt your files wich are realy important to you, besides a encrypted file system is slow
[16:57] <sqint> gutsy came up, but adept manager still reports "version upgrade" as possible
[16:57] <bipolar> scheater7: yes, I've used it before, but it's not good for full system encryption.
[16:57] <Vermux> WaltzingAlong: do I need to install sun-java5-plugin?
[16:57] <sqint> as I said, the installer was ALMOST done (at the cleaning up stage)
[16:57] <genii> lee98632: I already now have it compiled for kernel 2.6.20-16-generic
[16:57] <bipolar> blendtux: this situation needs full disk.
[16:57] <sqint> should I go through the version upgrade again?
[16:57] <lee98632> eh I think I have a bigger issue...bad wweathres on ethe way...looks like it just might down right get nasty
[16:58] <sqint> or is that a stupid thing when the installer aaalmost completed
[16:58] <lee98632> oh cool genni
[16:58] <lee98632> Iam on 32 bit atm
[16:58] <Vermux> do I need to install sun-java5-plugin?
[16:59] <NiBe> I seem to have a similar problem to MidMarks; I started a dist-upgrade through adept, which aborted due to a lack of space in /boot. I corrected the problem and attempted to upgrade again. Adept gives me the option to upgrade again, but the upgrade-tool itself says my system is up to date and aborts. apt-get update,upgrade,dist-upgrade does nothing. Any ideas?
[16:59] <seezer> bipolar: did you have a look at the existing howtos at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/?action=fullsearch&value=encryptedfilesystem&titlesearch=Titles ?
[17:00] <lee98632> OH SH...were in for a rough time ..I think wel llose pwoer onthis one
[17:00] <Vermux> stdin: how do I Select the default Java version- sun 6??
[17:00] <lee98632> any one here in wa state?
[17:00] <MidMark> got this -> http://pastebin.com/m78183b73
[17:00] <MidMark> any idea?
[17:01] <seezer> bipolar: i've used a combination of 2 or 3 howtos there. everything encrypted with one "weak spot"-password encrypted partition which gets mounted and holds the key files for /boot, /, /home and swap
[17:01] <stdin> Vermux: "sudo update-alternatives --config java"
[17:02] <lee98632> genni i added it o my book mark...right now i have to go to store and get emrgencey suplies
[17:02] <sqint> Hi. I just went through a Kubuntu upgrade, and at the very end (during the cleaning of the obsolete packages), update-manager started hogging >90% of memory, and eventually crashed X. I then had to reboot. Gutsy came up fine, but adept manager now still reports a version upgrade as being available. Should I go through the procedure again, or will that cause problems?
[17:03] <lee98632> eh what happens when 2 low presures meet?
[17:03] <BluesKaj> equalization
[17:04] <bipolar> seezer: that last one is what I'm looking for, except only /boot being 'week' and on a usb memory stick. :)
[17:04] <lee98632> take care guys Ill be on once the storm sdissapates
[17:04] <bipolar> er... s/week/weak
[17:05] <seezer> bipolar: just combinate those howtows - there is one with "encrypted everything" (one with password - just replace from there)
[17:05] <lee__> um guys
[17:06] <lee__> I would be doing my part if you lived in Wa state and did get this waringin but crrently we are under a watch
[17:06] <sven_oostenbrink>  Hi there, how can I get a list of all installed packages?
[17:07] <bipolar> seezer: thanks, I'll look into them
[17:07] <seezer> sven_oostenbrink: for example: dpkg -l
[17:07] <seezer> or with adept_manager
[17:08] <sven_oostenbrink> SeanTater,
[17:08] <sven_oostenbrink> seezer, thats  what I need.. I can output that to a file.. great, thanks!
[17:08] <martoya> sven_oostenbrink: dpkg -l | more
[17:08] <the-erm> dpkg -L | less
[17:08] <dexterone> upgrade to gutsy broke my Xserver
[17:09] <the-erm> oops
[17:09] <seezer> sven_oostenbrink: dpkg-query offers even more options to filter and play around for text output
[17:09] <the-erm> dpkg -l | less
[17:09] <seezer> s,for,with,
[17:09] <dexterone> can ne1 help?
[17:09] <the-erm> dexterone: what kind of computer are you running?
[17:09] <frb-home> if I have an ubuntu dvd, can I "upgrade" to kubuntu easily?
[17:09] <dexterone> dell inspiron 9400 laptop
[17:10] <lee986321> any one here in wahisngton state?
[17:10] <sven_oostenbrink> seezer, but like.. when I want only package names, no description, how would I do that then?
[17:10] <lee986321> eh washington state
[17:10] <BluesKaj> dexterone, are at the TTY prompt ?
[17:10] <the-erm> dexterone: I'm sorry I can't help you, and it's not because of the computer you own.  I just wanted to make sure it wasn't the same make/model I have ...
[17:10] <cosmic_> hi all, anyone available for some help with X11? i cant seem to get x11 work with the nvidia driver. if i use nv in xorg.conf it all works fine. but soon as i replace it with nvidia, the log says "No screens found". any ideas?
[17:11] <dexterone> BluesKaj: no, I've had to revert to windows =(
[17:11] <cosmic_> tried to run nvidia-xconfig as well, but doesnt work either
[17:11] <Ben_Cs> hello
[17:11] <frb-home> cosmic_: what card, what version driver?
[17:11] <Oakbox> Hi all, i have just installed firefox but need to get the flash plugin what do i need to type for apt-get? :)
[17:11] <dexterone> BluesKaj: but I have access to my linux partition
[17:11] <stdin> !flash
[17:11] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[17:11] <dexterone> the-erm: ha ha, fair enough.
[17:11] <lee986321> ubuntu
[17:11] <cosmic_> frb-home: nvidia 6200 ...how do i find out the version? it all worked fine till i ran an update :(
[17:11] <the-erm> Can you get it to run on the live cd there dexterone?
[17:11] <Oakbox> thank you :)
[17:12] <frb-work> cosmic_: not sure, I forgot what they are called
[17:12] <fulat2k> hi folks, just upgraded to gutsy from feisty.  everything works well.  but somehow apt-get fails when configuring acpid, acpi-support and powermanagement-interface.  have tried dpkg-reconfigure on those packages, but failed.
[17:12] <fulat2k> anyone knows how i can solve this?
[17:12] <Ben_Cs> a wierd thing. i installed gutsy beta before, and updated all the time. and now that gutsy is official out i have the option in adept to upgrade and it does a full upgrade as if from feisty????!!!!  was thinking a quick update from beta to release is what needed
[17:12] <frb-work> cosmic_: I'm betting you got upgraded to 8.41 which only supports really new cards
[17:12] <dexterone> the-erm: I'll need to dl and burn the new release.  I was doing upgrading via adept.
[17:12] <rand_acs> uhm, my "distribution update tool" doesn't want to run after I close the "version update" wizard, anyone have the same issue? or know how to run it manually?
[17:13] <cosmic_> frb-work: well i did a "update-manager -c" and after that kde didnt want to start
[17:13] <the-erm> Shoot I'm scared to upgrade now.
[17:13] <stdin> Ben_Cs: I'm guessing it's a bug (waiting on confirmation), ignore it for now
[17:13] <LogicalDash> Adept Updater keeps bugging me to upgrade to Gutsy even though I already did. What's up?
[17:14] <frb-work> cosmic_: I don't know, I'm an ubuntu newb with a lot of experience with other linuxes
[17:14] <cosmic_> actually i wanted to update to 7.10 too, but it seems im still on 7.04
[17:14] <dexterone> I'm pretty new to linux, so it was probably me just being stupid.
[17:14] <cosmic_> *sigh*
[17:14] <BluesKaj> dexterone, try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg at the tty prompt and chose the generic vesa driver to get X to work for you
[17:15] <BluesKaj> err choose
[17:15] <dexterone> BluesKaj: will try that.  Many thanks.
[17:15] <cosmic_> im downloading the latest nvidia driver from their homepage now ..lets see if thatll work
[17:15] <BluesKaj> dexterone, hope it works for you :P
[17:16] <boubbin_> how to setup nvidia in gutsy wqhen i cannot use restricted drivers ?
[17:16] <Ben_Cs> stdin: after the updater did some thinking it desided there's nothing to update and it quit :) LOL
[17:16] <stdin> Ben_Cs: yep, the fix is committed. https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/153889
[17:17] <Stilo> hi
[17:18] <seezer> sven_oostenbrink: re. sorry. dpkg-query -W -f='${Package} \n' for example
[17:18] <fulat2k> hi folks, just upgraded to gutsy from feisty.  everything works well.  but somehow apt-get fails when configuring acpid, acpi-support and powermanagement-interface.  have tried dpkg-reconfigure on those packages, but failed.  any help on how i can solve this?
[17:18] <Stilo> when i log in to a kde session kontact always opens a window. how can i change this?
[17:19] <seezer> sven_oostenbrink: see man dpkg-query for more options
[17:19] <Stilo> i want kontact to start but minimized
[17:21] <anto> Can somone help me, when i'm runing steam my sound dose not work.
[17:22] <stdin> anto: #winehq is the place to ask
[17:22] <elias> hallo?
[17:22] <anto> stdin: oki
[17:22] <elias> bin neu hier bei linux...weiss noch nicht so genau was läuft..
[17:23] <BluesKaj> !de | elias
[17:23] <elias> aber der kopete instant messenger funktioniert niht ganz..
[17:23] <stdin> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[17:24] <Vermux> WaltzingAlong: still cant watch the video: x-mplayer2 plugin is missing
[17:25] <CString121> hi, i'm new to kubuntu linux. Which filesystem should i use? ext3, xfs, reiserFS?
[17:25] <stdin> CString121: ext3, no question
[17:25] <Vermux> WaltzingAlong: it says:"unknown plugin" application/x-mplayer2
[17:26] <CString121> stdin: i thought so. thx
[17:27] <ubotu> elias: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[17:28] <snowdonkey> Hi.  I folled the instructions for using Adept to do a full upgrade.  I did -- it took about 5 mins -- and rebooted but it doesn't seem like anything changed.  How can I tell if it worked?
[17:28] <xevious> sweet
[17:28] <xevious> flawless upgrade
[17:29]  * stdin gives xevious a "I upgraded to Gutsy and survived" sticker
[17:29] <xevious> yay!
[17:29] <snowdonkey> xevious: I did a console login and it still reports Ubuntu 7.04
[17:29]  * xevious applies it to his case
[17:29] <xevious> snowdonkey: mine says 7.10
[17:30] <xevious> ok
[17:30] <jdong> snowdonkey: lsb_release -a
[17:30] <jdong> snowdonkey: that's probably because /etc/issue was not updated for some reason; it's just an arbitrary textfile for the login prompt
[17:30] <xevious> i am upset that mouse scrolling and hiding the scrollbar are gone from kopete
[17:30] <snowdonkey> jdong: Ok.  Here's the output of that command: Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[17:30] <snowdonkey> Description:    Ubuntu 7.04
[17:30] <snowdonkey> Release:        7.04
[17:30] <snowdonkey> Codename:       feisty
[17:30] <gandalf> hi everybody, i have a question about digikam 0.9.3-beta 1. has someone here compiled it successfully? i get errors when trying it, although configure didn't complain
[17:30] <SDuensin> Good morning all.
[17:30] <jdong> snowdonkey: hmm it still thinks it's feisty
[17:31] <stdin> snowdonkey: you followed http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.10-release.php#upgrade is to the letter?
[17:31] <SDuensin> Is there any way to upgrade from 7.04 to 7.10 using only the 7.10 CD?  No network connection?
[17:31] <lee98632> kubuntu seems to be doen loading a ok lol
[17:31] <edulix_> hi
[17:31] <stdin> SDuensin: only with the alternate CD
[17:32] <SDuensin> stdin - Crap.  I didn't download that one.  :-)
[17:32] <evilidler> SDuensin: Use apt-cdrom to read it as source
[17:32] <BlueAidan_work> the upgrade process from the kubuntu rc to release isn't working. It throws an error about libportaudio0 being unsupported now, then says there are no upgrades available and the distro upgrade process is canceled.
[17:32] <snowdonkey> stdin: I followed the instructions here: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading they're slightly different...
[17:32] <stdin> snowdonkey: yeah, use the one in the topic until a bug or two are fixed
[17:32] <snowdonkey> stdin: Ok thx.
[17:33] <SDuensin> evilidler - What do I do after I add the CD to sources?
[17:33] <m-lund> Hi there - trying to ugprade with adept_manager --version-upgrade, I get: "Failed to fetch: http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy-security/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2". It's under the modifying the software channels. Anyone seen this before?
[17:33] <stdin> the desktop CD doesn't have packages to install (well, only a couple)
[17:33] <m-lund> I can download the package using wget.
[17:33] <LogicalDash> I've upgraded to Gutsy, but Adept Updater doesn't believe me. How do I convince it?
[17:33] <thomas__> hmmm, I haven't upgarded my gutsy rc since yesterday and since today the final was released I would think I get lots of update when doing apt-get update & apt-get upgrade, but nothing, it sais 0 upgradable packages
[17:34] <thomas__> anyone any idea how this is possible?
[17:34] <stdin> LogicalDash: you mean adept still shows the "Version Upgrade" button after it's upgraded?
[17:34] <ubuntero_numero1> Anyone know why desktop icons would not show up on desktop when added?
[17:34] <evilidler> SDuensin: Well, if you have the full DVD or CDs, you should be able to add it as a source, and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:34] <LogicalDash> stdin, precisely
[17:34] <Pennycook> Okay, I've just downloaded all the gutsy packages and reached the "Installing the upgrades" part, but got an error about how "debconf" and two x11 packages couldn't be installed.
[17:34] <Oakbox> xevious: do you use msn in kopete? as mine crashes out when ever i try to login with msn...
[17:34] <Pennycook> It's now sitting there stuck at 2%; any ideas?
[17:34] <stdin> LogicalDash: yep, it's a bug :) we know about it
[17:34] <xevious> Oakbox: nope
[17:34] <LogicalDash> stdin, ok I'll ignore it then.
[17:35] <Oakbox> xevious: oh well thanks :)
[17:35] <stdin> LogicalDash: shouldn't be there for too much longer
[17:35] <stdin> thomas__: because a short while before the release all repositories were frozen
[17:36] <jmichaelx> is there a known bug/issue involving problems mounting vfat partitions, or is it just me?
[17:36] <stdin> thomas__: (a short while meaning about a day)
[17:36] <thomas__> stdin: so when will I be able to do the upgrades then?
[17:36] <BluesKaj> bbl
[17:36] <NiBe> If anyone is still running a 7.10 beta of kubuntu, could you please PM me the contents of your /etc/lsb-release file?
[17:36] <stdin> thomas__: you already have the final version, you don't need to do any upgrades
[17:36] <thomas__> stdin: ah okay :) thanx :)
[17:37] <thomas__> stdin: any idea when the kopete msn bug will be fixed
[17:37] <thomas__> ?
[17:37] <Pennycook> Nobody?  It's stuck at installing after 3 failed packages.  Is there any way to stop the upgrade safely, perhaps?
[17:38] <stdin> thomas__: remember when I said about the repository freeze? the fix was made just after :p so we have to wait until the unfreeze, but there is a fixed deb here http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3041
[17:38] <xevious> ok i'm getting some odd launch feedback problems
[17:39] <wathek> hello I've a big problem when I try to upgrade my systeme and when trying to install the new packages I get this unable to make backup link of `./usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/openofficeorg23-writer.png' before installing new version: Operation not permitted
[17:39] <xevious> an gapcmon don't work right at all
[17:39] <blendtux> what is a good and simple firewall for using on my laptop when i direct connected to the internet for gutsy
[17:39] <thomas__> okay thanx again stdin
[17:39]  * genii hooks DaSkreech up with a coffee
[17:39] <DaSkreech> I just woke up
[17:39]  * DaSkreech rubs eyes
[17:39] <wathek> any solution for that error ?
[17:39] <DaSkreech>  Why do I need coff...zzzZZZZZZ
[17:39] <DaSkreech> !firewal | blendtux
[17:39] <genii> DaSkreech: :)
[17:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about firewal - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:40] <sub[t]rnl> morning DaSkreech
[17:40] <DaSkreech> !firewall | blendtux
[17:40] <ubotu> blendtux: Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[17:40] <DaSkreech> Hi sub[t]rnl
[17:40] <stdin> wathek: can you show me what "ls -l /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/openofficeorg23-writer.png" shows?
[17:40] <wathek> ok
[17:41] <wathek> stdin: -rwxr-xrwx 111 111 avahi-autoipd<PHONE_NUMBER>3531247 2008-01-05 12:15 /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/openofficeorg23-writer.png
[17:41] <xevious> when i launch Adept Manager, it pops up, but i have an extra greyed out Adept Manager entry in my taskbar and the bouncing launch feedback icon by my cursor keeps going for a good 10 seconds after it's open
[17:42] <stdin> wathek: wow, that's seven types of wrong
[17:42] <wathek> stdin: !
[17:42] <genii> odd user/group there, 111:111
[17:42] <jmichaelx> stdin: is there a fairly standard amount of time that ubuntu/canonical waits before removing the freeze after a stable release?
[17:42] <stdin> genii: look at the size
[17:42] <wathek> yes it's a bit strange !
[17:42] <DaSkreech> xevious: When it stops bouncing it should go away >.. I think
[17:42] <genii> stdin: 8-O
[17:43] <stdin> jmichaelx: it's kinda up to them
[17:43] <wathek> what could I do ?
[17:43] <xevious> DaSkreech: it does, but it used to just bounce until adept manager opened
[17:43] <stdin> delete it maybe?
[17:43] <wathek> ok
[17:43] <stdin> "sudo rm /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/openofficeorg23-writer.png"
[17:43] <rabindra> can u help with adept manager
[17:43] <DaSkreech> !adept
[17:43] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[17:43] <wathek> root@wathek:/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps# rm openofficeorg23-writer.png
[17:43] <wathek> rm: cannot remove `openofficeorg23-writer.png': Operation not permitted
[17:43] <jmichaelx> stdin: ok, that's cool. i was just curious. i presume there will be some major bug-fix upgrades over the next few weeks
[17:44] <rabindra> "apply changes" is not active
[17:44] <m-lund> What is the command line way of upgrading? I'm giving up on adept. It stops the same place every time.
[17:44] <wathek> stdin: in root and it says operation not permitted !
[17:44] <rabindra> "apply changes icon " is not active
[17:44] <genii> wathek: perhaps rm -f
[17:44] <stdin> jmichaelx: if the last few releases are anything to go by, I'd say you're right
[17:44] <DaSkreech> rabindra: Did you select something to install/remove/upgrade ?
[17:44] <rabindra> yes i did
[17:44] <jmichaelx> cool
[17:44] <wathek> root@wathek:/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps# rm -f openofficeorg23-writer.png
[17:44] <wathek> rm: cannot remove `openofficeorg23-writer.png': Operation not permitted
[17:44] <wathek> genii: I can do nothing !
[17:45] <DaSkreech> rabindra: You have a preview changes ?
[17:45] <rabindra> but it is not working today but it worked before
[17:45] <Pennycook> ...I'll just install from scratch
[17:45] <rabindra> yes i have preview changes
[17:45] <genii> wathek: I suggest you run a fsck soon
[17:45] <rabindra> plese help me
[17:45] <stdin> wathek: I'm thinking filesystem errors, that size<PHONE_NUMBER>3531247) can not be right
[17:45] <wathek> genii: I ran that
[17:46] <stdin> that's over 28416TB
[17:46] <wathek> lol yes
[17:46] <rabindra> daskreech: help me withh that
[17:46] <ubuntu_> hi i am on live cd
[17:46] <lee986321> INVOKING emergency shut down do to power fluctuations in grid, Sever storm coming in
[17:46] <genii> stdin: Yes it boggles the mind
[17:46] <Vermux> how do I find a location of a program?
[17:46] <ubuntu_> i am trying to change the size of my drives any idea how_
[17:46] <el_taco> I have 7.10RC installed. should I reinstall to get the release or should doing all the updates be enough?
[17:47] <stdin> !final | el_taco
[17:47] <xevious> el_taco: if you've got all the updates then you're running release
[17:47] <ubotu> el_taco: If you installed a Tribe/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Gutsy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[17:47] <genii> el_taco: Updates applied makes it identical
[17:47] <wathek> lol
[17:47] <DaSkreech> rabindra: Did you try just closing adept and opening it back ?
[17:47] <wathek> gonna try something
[17:47]  * xevious declares that 7.10 broke stuff
[17:47] <iss_student> I have a problem that is driving me crazy
[17:48] <DaSkreech> Vermux: type which <programname>
[17:48] <rabindra> daskreech: ya i tried it but still the same
[17:48] <ubuntu_> does anyone know how to change the size of the disks from live cd_
[17:48] <xevious> jebus. swiftfox takes forever to load now
[17:48] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: Yes Gparted or qtparted
[17:48] <Vermux> how do I find a location of a program? Im trying to locate Vlan
[17:48] <MementoMori> does cdimage.ubuntu.com have mirrors?
[17:49] <genii> wathek: bah he left. Was gonna suggest fsck from livecd
[17:49] <DaSkreech> rabindra: strange can you close adept and type sudo apt-get install adept on the command line ?
[17:49] <Ben_Cs> hello
[17:49] <Vermux> DaSkreech: doesnt do anything
[17:49] <dextertwo> need help with Xserver after gutsy upgrade.  Anyone?
[17:49] <stdin> MementoMori: yeah, most of the releases.u.c mirrors have cdimage too
[17:49] <DaSkreech> Vermux: How did you install vlan ?
[17:49] <kaminix> How do I make an application go autostart?
[17:49] <ubuntu_> DaSkreech, i am on qtparted but when i tell it to change the size of a drive a warning with no texts comes up and nothing is chaged
[17:49] <stdin> MementoMori: they probably won't be up-to-date tho
[17:49] <Vermux> DaSkreech: adept
[17:49] <stdin> !autostart | kaminix
[17:49] <ubotu> kaminix: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[17:49] <genii> !autostart
[17:49] <genii> stdin: Heh :)
[17:50] <DaSkreech> MementoMori: Yes
[17:50] <blendtux_> lol
[17:50] <blendtux_> firewall
[17:50] <blendtux_> ehm my internet stopped working afther using guarddog ahahah
[17:50] <blendtux_> need to configure it bettter
[17:50] <kaminix> stdin: So if I add a script to autostart telling it to start yakuake and then make this and that tab, it will do that on startup?
[17:50] <Vermux> DaSkreech: Im trying to add it to mediaplayer connectivity in firefox
[17:50] <Ben_Cs> i have ssh installed on one of my network PCs. i can ssh to it from within the network, but when i ssh through my internet IP i don't seem to be able to connect. My DSL router has firewall but i forwarded port 22. when i scan ports from online site it says 22 is open. please help!
[17:50] <dextertwo> Xserver wouldn't start after upgrade.  Someone here suggested I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, which got me back into X.  But now I have to run it everytime I reboot.
[17:51] <DaSkreech> Vermux: Vlan?
[17:51] <Vermux> DaSkreech: cant find VLAN
[17:51] <stdin> kaminix: never tried, maybe
[17:51] <ubuntu_> qtparted keeps given me an error how do i make it go aay_
[17:51] <ubuntu_> away-
[17:51] <Vermux> DaSkreech: mplayer has a fatal error- cant play video so I want to try play videos with a different player
[17:51] <Kein> ubuntu_: what are you trying to do?
[17:51] <Kein> Vermux: Use VLC.
[17:51] <DaSkreech> Vermux: You can go to adept -> vlan -> show details -> installed files
[17:51] <genii> ubuntu_: Depends what the error is
[17:52] <DaSkreech> Vermux: It will show you where the files are
[17:52] <ubuntu_> Kein, I am trying to change the size of the disk where i got kubuntu installed,
[17:52] <DaSkreech>  but vlan does not do Multimedia
[17:52] <rabindra> @daskreech this is the error it gives
[17:52] <Kein> Oh.  I thought you were trying to resize the ntfs partitions.
[17:52] <rabindra> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[17:52] <rabindra> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[17:52] <Ben_Cs> the response i get: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
[17:52] <ubuntu_> I am trying to make a disk smaller and then give the fre space to the disk ith kubuntu,
[17:52] <Kein> rabindra: Force Adept to go through something or close a package manager.
[17:52] <iss_student> When is Kopete going to be fixed
[17:52] <ubuntu_> both partitions are on the same physical disk
[17:52] <stdin> !aptfix | rabindra
[17:52] <ubotu> rabindra: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[17:52] <Kein> iss_student: I didn't know Kopete was broken?
[17:52] <Kein> Unstable, yes, but broken?
[17:52] <Vermux> Kein: I have vlan, just cant find it
[17:53] <Kein> Vermux: Try running vlan from the command line?
[17:53] <Ben_Cs> anyone familiar with ssh? please help
[17:53] <Vermux> Kein: how?
[17:53] <Kein> alt+f2, vlan
[17:53] <ubuntu_> That is the thing the error window is empty
[17:53] <stdin> iss_student:  http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3041
[17:53] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: try just using parted on the command line. or apt-get install gparted
[17:53] <Vermux> DaSkreech: it cannot find vlan
[17:53] <rabindra> @ubotu it asking whether to kill process 6511 or noy?
[17:53] <Kein> weird.
[17:53] <Kein> alt+f2, vlc?
[17:53] <ubuntu_> i just get a picture adn an @ok@ button
[17:54] <stdin> rabindra: you do
[17:54] <Kein> Lemme see here.
[17:54] <DaSkreech> iss_student: What's wrong with kopete?
[17:54] <alumno> ....
[17:54] <genii> ubuntu_: You need to run the partitioner from somewhere else other than the system partition which is what you are trying to resize. Use the livecd partitioner, or the gparted live cd
[17:54] <dextertwo> Can anyone help with an upgrade problem that broke Xserver?
[17:54] <sub[t]rnl> there was a but in kdelibs, its patched now though, for kopete
[17:54] <stdin> DaSkreech: it crashes on connecting to MSN  *sniggers*
[17:54] <sub[t]rnl> but=bug
[17:54] <DaSkreech> Vermux: Vlan does not do multimedia
[17:54] <sub[t]rnl> :P
[17:54] <DaSkreech> stdin: Oh I'd have never figured that out
[17:54] <ubuntu_> Genni I am on the live CD already
[17:55] <Kein> ...oh god, stdin, lmfao, why'd you have to say bacon?
[17:55] <rabindra> stdin thanks a lot it has come
[17:55] <Kein> anyways
[17:55] <Kein> I've found that it doesn't crash while doing that
[17:55] <Kein> but DOES crash while in a chatroom
[17:55] <rabindra> daskreech and ubotu thanks a lot
[17:55] <stdin> !bot
[17:55] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[17:55] <DaSkreech> dextertwo: Shoot. Give us the problem
[17:55] <genii> ubuntu_: Ah, OK, my mistake then.
[17:55] <Ben_Cs> stdin: you know ssh well?
[17:56] <DaSkreech> hi AmyRose
[17:56] <stdin> Ben_Cs: depends on the problem :p
[17:56] <dextertwo> I upgraded to Gutsy.  On reboot I Xserver was broken.  I did a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, which gets X started again, but I have to do that every time I reboot.
[17:57] <Ben_Cs> stdin: i have ssh installed on one of my network PCs. i can ssh to it from within the network, but when i ssh through my internet IP i don't seem to be able to connect. My DSL router has firewall but i forwarded port 22. when i scan ports from online site it says 22 is open. the response i get: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
[17:57] <dextertwo> Can I apt-get remove/install xserver-xorg?
[17:57] <xevious> does anyone use gapcmon?
[17:57] <Vermux> DaSkreech: Im trying to watch a video from a website
[17:57] <ubuntu__> is kubuntu 7.10 out yet?
[17:57] <ubuntu__> is kubuntu 7.10 out yet? stdin
[17:57] <el_taco> Ben_Cs can you ssh to localhost?
[17:57] <ubuntu__> stdin:
[17:57] <ubuntu_> does it matter if i use gnome partiiotn efitor in kde_
[17:57] <xevious> ubuntu_: yes
[17:57] <sub[t]rnl> Ben_Cs: sounds like a firewall issue, run ssh -v to see whats happening
[17:57] <DaSkreech> Vermux: vlan is not what you want
[17:57] <Vermux> DaSkreech: I download mplayer connectivity extension and now it gives fatal error
[17:57] <stdin> ubuntu__: it is
[17:57] <rabindra> do i need a firewall setting to protect my computer i am new to linux so i don't know
[17:58] <Vermux> DaSkreech: sp which one?
[17:58] <ubuntu__> How do i install ssh server on Kubuntu and check my ip?
[17:58] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: Read the topic
[17:58] <Vermux> DaSkreech: so
[17:58] <ubuntu_> well fuck then
[17:58] <ubuntu_> sorry
[17:58]  * sub[t]rnl whistles
[17:58] <stdin> Ben_Cs: make sure there is "ListenAddress <IP_ADDRESS>" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[17:58] <ubuntu_> i am just ....
[17:58] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: ifconfig gives you your ip install the pacckage ssh to get ssh server
[17:58] <genii> dextertwo: When you are running the dpkg-reconfigure, are you doing it with sudo?
[17:58] <dextertwo> genii: yes
[17:59] <el_taco> ipaddress.org to check your remote IP address.
[17:59] <ubuntu__> DaSkreech:  is that the concrete command????
[17:59] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: No
[17:59] <ubuntu__> what is the concrete command than
[17:59] <sub[t]rnl> ubuntu__: sudo apt-get install ssh
[17:59] <ubuntu__> ty sub[t]rnl
[17:59] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: ifconfig for the address
[17:59] <ubuntu__> missouri man :O
[17:59] <simon_> is there still no eye-candy/beryl/.. integration within kubuntu? do we really have to wait for fancy KWIN4?
[17:59] <AmyRose> hi DaSkreech
[17:59] <Vermux> DaSkreech: which player should I use to open this video. before I installed the extension it said its x-mplayer2 plugin missing
[17:59] <sub[t]rnl> and what DaSkreech said for your ip adress
[18:00] <ubuntu_> well here is the thing
[18:00] <ubuntu_> I am running kubuntu on my pc
[18:00] <AmyRose> Hmm... I thought this was the Kubuntu channel, not the ubuntu one.
[18:00] <stdin> simon_: not by default, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion for instructions
[18:00] <dextertwo> I'm on a Dell Inspiron 9400 laptop with an ATI X1400 Radeon Mobility and in Feisty ran fglrx
[18:00] <DaSkreech> simon_: Or you could install compiz.
[18:00] <ubuntu_> i need to make the give more space to the partition where i got kubuntu
[18:00] <leexgx> theres an important bug in the installer for apt get if the network cable is connected but cant connect to securty ubuntu servers it removes All updates from the list
[18:00] <ubuntu_> i am right now running lice cd,
[18:00] <AmyRose> ubuntu_: You can use QtParted or GParted
[18:01] <ubuntu_> and want to make a disk smaller so i can give that free space to the disk with kubuntu
[18:01] <simon_> stdin, DaSkreech, thx, i already tried but i don't really want to use it until it is available by default to avoid problems ;)
[18:01] <ubuntu_> I opened Qtparted but it gives me an empty error
[18:01] <genii> dextertwo: in the dir /etc/X11   there should be multiple copies now of the file xorg.conf, with time-stamped extensions.  Some setting(s) I need to tweak?
[18:02] <Ben_Cs> stdin: ListenAddress is commented with #.   what does this command meen?
[18:02] <genii> dextertwo: work, AFK a few
[18:02] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: They were probably kidding. Gnome apps and KDE apps can live in KDE and gnome respectively quite fine
[18:02] <dextertwo> genii: ok, will try that.   The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[18:03] <rabindra> i am using net for the first time linux
[18:03] <ardchoille> rabindra: no
[18:03] <xevious> ubuntu_: i recommend backing up important data first
[18:03] <dextertwo> DaSkreech: No, don't do it?  Or No, it's NOT a bad idea?
[18:03] <el_taco> doesn't beryl == compiz now?
[18:03] <el_taco> I thought they merged
[18:03] <DaSkreech> dextertwo: Not a bad idea
[18:03] <xevious> el_taco: beryl+compiz = compiz-fusion
[18:04] <stdin> Ben_Cs: I had to change it to connect from an external system
[18:04] <Ben_Cs> stdin: both options are commenetd on my file. uncomment them?
[18:04] <sub[t]rnl> rabindra: if your running a larger network or a web server or something, then maybe
[18:04] <simon_> DaSkreech, i would disable most of the effects ... i just like the expo and realtime-preview features
[18:04] <dextertwo> DaSkreech:  Cheers.
[18:04] <sub[t]rnl> rabindra: but yeah, iptables already comes with ubuntu, so you have one installed
[18:04] <stdin> Ben_Cs: just the one with "<IP_ADDRESS>" on it
[18:04] <DaSkreech> Compiz == compiz Beryl == compiz+fork compiz-fusion == beryl+compiz kissing and making up
[18:04] <Ben_Cs> stdin: ok thanks. will try in couple of moments
[18:04] <sub[t]rnl> hehe
[18:04] <Ben_Cs> brb
[18:04] <DaSkreech> rabindra: if you want one then run one
[18:04] <stdin> Ben_Cs: restart sshd after
[18:05] <AmyRose> DaSkreech: XD
[18:05] <Vermux> how do I enable pop ups in konqueror?
[18:05] <sitaram> hello everyone; pressing "version upgrade" on Adept manager in a kubuntu system shows a release message pertaining to ubuntu 7.10, not kubuntu.  Is this normal?
[18:05] <simon_> DaSkreech, thx anyway, have a nice evening
[18:05] <xevious> hey
[18:05] <DaSkreech> simon_: Those should ship in kde4 in a few weeks :)
[18:05] <xevious> my launch feedback problems are slowly going away
[18:05] <sub[t]rnl> xevious: :P
[18:05] <xevious> haha. it's like my install is "getting used to" being 7.10
[18:06] <Vermux> how I enable pop ups in konqueror?
[18:06] <xevious> is there some smewth way to enable compiz-fusion, a la ubuntu's desktop effects setting? or just install the packages?
[18:06] <kaminix> How do I make konqueror not change it's icon to the websites icon?
[18:06] <Yammeh> I guess the server's bandwidth is beign saturated?
[18:06] <stdin> xevious: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion for instructions
[18:06] <xevious> stdin: thanks
[18:06] <sub[t]rnl> xevious: theres the compizconfig-settings-manager to control the settings, theres also a system tray icon out in .deb thats kinda slick
[18:07] <sub[t]rnl> xevious: other than that just startup compiz like all other kde autostarts
[18:07] <rabindra> my adept manager just crashed and says it may be due to some bug in the application
[18:07] <rabindra> what am i supposed to do?
[18:07] <rabindra> i was installing something
[18:07] <stdin> restart it
[18:07] <ezr2007> xevious: on 7.10 u dont have to do that, just install the packages
[18:08] <the-erm> rabindra: try and run it again.
[18:08] <yaccin> so nobody knows why there are again features removed?
[18:08] <xevious> ezr2007: install the packages, log out, log in and you have compiz?
[18:08] <Kein> !adeptfix > rabindra
[18:08] <the-erm> rabindra: I've seen it crash on occasion, and it worked fine the next time.
[18:08] <xevious> ezr2007: or is compiz --replace still necessary?
[18:08] <ezr2007> it is
[18:08] <DaSkreech> yaccin: From?
[18:08] <Vermux> AmyRose: konqueror doesnt play the video. nothing is working with this browser
[18:09] <thomas__> is there a way to unload a module? like the reverse of 'modprobe module'
[18:09] <ezr2007> Vermux: try firefox with https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/446
[18:09] <stdin> xevious: unless you make a script with that in, then place that script in ~/.kde/Autostart
[18:09] <AmyRose> Vermux: Do you have KMplayer and the xine ffmpeg decoder installed?
[18:09] <xevious> stdin: i'll see how i like it first :)
[18:09] <stdin> thomas__: "rmmod" or "modprobe -r"
[18:09] <kritzstapf> which packages do i need to make the moodbar of amarok work with mp3 files?
[18:09] <kaminix> The kopete fix thingie (kdelibs4c2a) gives me problems with kdelibs4-dev:   kdelibs4-dev: Depends: kdelibs4c2a (= 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu2) but 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu3 is installed.
[18:09] <yaccin> DaSkreech: kopete
[18:10] <xenol> hello, i just upgrade successfully to gutsy i got few questions concerning xgl and compiz
[18:10] <yaccin> again
[18:10] <yaccin> :(
[18:10] <xenol> how can i enable em?
[18:10] <rabindra> the-erm:but why does it crash
[18:10] <thomas__> stdin: thanx again :)
[18:10] <ezr2007> xevious: if you dont kwin -replace compiz will autostart next time
[18:10] <tavoc> hi, anyone has an idea, where i can set max cpu freq ? Cause Kubuntu 7.10 runs my pentium m at 1600 MHZ, but it is only a 1500 MHZ CPU
[18:10] <stdin> ezr2007: it shouldn't
[18:10] <ezr2007> in kubuntu it does
[18:11] <stdin> doesn't here
[18:11] <AndyM> Hey guys.  Basic question.  Any trick involved copying files from a Vista share to Kubuntu?  Getting errors here.
[18:11] <yaccin> doesn't here
[18:11] <the-erm> rabindra: I don't know ... you could always google the error you saw.
[18:11] <rabindra> tavoc: i guess in BIOS setup you can set your clock freq
[18:11] <DaSkreech> yaccin: What did it do?
[18:11] <thomas__> tavoc: install kpowermanager or something, there you can set your cpu policy
[18:11] <yaccin> DaSthe option to hide the scroll bar of the contact list is gone...
[18:11] <ezr2007> hm, dont know, here it does
[18:11] <yaccin> DaSkreech:
[18:11] <tavoc> rabindra:  no, i cant do that in bios
[18:11] <rabindra> tavoc: why?
[18:11] <tavoc> thomas__:  i will try this, thx
[18:12] <tavoc> rabindra: cause my notebook does not have this option
[18:12] <yaccin> DaSkreech: in last kubuntu release they removed a patch that solved problems with the toolbars in jabber-windows, which was there 2 versions ago -_-
[18:12] <rabindra> tavoc: did you try doing that
[18:12] <Yammeh> AndyM, I never had any problems reading from my vista share, make sure you mounted it properly
[18:12] <BudgetDedicated> for eycandy, which is better now on gutsy.. compiz or beryl ? any good docs on setting it up?
[18:12] <yaccin> BudgetDedicated: compiz = beryl now
[18:12] <DaSkreech> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion <---- xenol
[18:12] <stdin> BudgetDedicated: beryl is dead
[18:12] <tavoc> yeah i looked there already
[18:12] <stdin> BudgetDedicated: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion for instructions
[18:13] <AndyM> Yammeh, should it work OK over admin shares also?
[18:13] <xevious> compiz-compcomm-plugins-main worth installing?
[18:13] <rabindra> tavoc: well i think you can always enter BIOS setup by press DEL or any other key or you can ask your notebook vendor how to enter it
[18:13] <yaccin> xevious: compiz-fusion-plugins*
[18:13] <DaSkreech> yaccin: #kubuntu-devel
[18:13] <tavoc> rabindra: yeah i know how i can get the bios, but there is no option to adjust the cpu clock
[18:13] <Yammeh> AndyM, yes, it works fine for me.
[18:14] <Brownout> my KDED Media Manager doesn't autorun anymore, even if it's ticked as enabled, I have to manually start it at every login from the service manager
[18:14] <BudgetDedicated> ok thank you. i'm trying compiz now
[18:14]  * xevious is excited to see if this works with the new nvidia drivers - i got the black window bug under feisty
[18:15] <Yammeh> How new are the nvidia drivers?
[18:15] <DaSkreech> !kompiz is Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[18:15] <rabindra> tavoc: then i cant say much but atleast you can know that from your vendor
[18:15] <xenol> DaSkreech: i am curious if it is enough to install the compizfusion? is xgl running by default?
[18:15] <xevious> holy moly it worked
[18:15] <the-erm> Speaking of nvidia I was thinking about getting a nvidia 5200 *specifically* for the svideo out.  Anyone here have one, and know that the card, and the svideo both work?
[18:15] <tavoc> ok rabindra
[18:16] <DaSkreech> xenol: read the instructions ?
[18:16] <xevious> i've got focus follows mouse, but i just gotta change that
[18:16] <tavoc> rabindra: bzt with 7.04 all was ok
[18:16] <BudgetDedicated> hmm compiz seems to crash on my system
[18:16] <Yammeh> Does it look good, xevious?
[18:16] <DaSkreech> xevious: To focus follows mind ?
[18:16] <BudgetDedicated> at least the kdm crashed
[18:16] <xevious> Yammeh: well i havent enabled any stuff yet
[18:16] <Yammeh> Ah, I can't wait to try it :P
[18:17] <BudgetDedicated> hmm ok compiz works, but no window manager ;)
[18:18] <Ben_Cs> stdin: do i have to restart sshd after changing /etc/ssh/sshd_config? cause just uncommenting didn't help
[18:18] <kaminix> How can I set Konqueror to: 1) Make fonts one step larger by default. 2) Always use the konqueror icon instead of the one used by current homepage
[18:18] <xevious> WOOOOW!
[18:18] <xevious> ok compiz is sweet
[18:18] <stdin> Ben_Cs: yes "sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart"
[18:18] <BudgetDedicated> could it be that I need something more in my xorg.conf to use compiz for my intel 945?
[18:19] <Ben_Cs> stdin: still - ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
[18:19] <DaSkreech> BudgetDedicated: compiz is a window manager. if you have no window manger then compiz did not work
[18:19] <stdin> Ben_Cs: I'm not sure then, unless it's something to do with the client > server negotiation
[18:20] <Ben_Cs> stdin: ok. will try the forum. thanks
[18:20] <Ben_Cs> bbl
[18:20] <Macris> hellou guys, i have a question about adept version upgrade
[18:21] <Yammeh> If there are dependencies for packages on adept, does it download them too?
[18:21] <DaSkreech> Yammeh: yes
[18:21] <xenol> DaSkreech: i am on gutsy does feisty tips apply also to gutsy?
[18:21] <Yammeh> Thanks
[18:21] <kritzstapf> which packages do i need to make the moodbar of amarok work with mp3 files?
[18:21] <stdin> xenol: some/most do
[18:21] <DaSkreech> kritzstapf: mp3s work?
[18:21] <Macris> i upgraded my system a while a go to rc, and now i just thought to try out the adept for upgrading.
[18:22] <Macris> i noticed that i got no upgrades, but the version upgrade is availble, even thought im running gutsy allready
[18:22] <stdin> kritzstapf: probably "moodbar"
[18:22] <Macris> is this normal
[18:22] <xenol> stdin: so i just install compiz and 3d desktop is rdy to use? :P
[18:22] <stdin> Macris: it's a known buf
[18:22] <stdin> Macris: i*bug
[18:23] <stdin> xenol: if your hardware/drivers support it
[18:23] <DaSkreech> Macris: Upgrading from development to stable
[18:23] <Macris> ok just checking because, i actually crashed my upgrade process to RC version, so i thought i left something out the
[18:23] <ezr2007> kritzstapf: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/MP3
[18:23] <Macris> n
[18:23] <Macris> DaSkreech: yep
[18:24] <xenol> stdin: i have drivers installed on feisty so i guess they r installed also on gutsy so just install compiz fusion and restart x windows?
[18:24] <stdin> xenol: no need to restart X
[18:24] <stdin> xenol: just "compiz --replace"
[18:24] <BudgetDedicated> DaSkreech: ok , i got some parst of it working like the nice destopswitching and the fading etc. but just no bars around my windows anymore. would you know what could be wrong?
[18:25] <xenol> stdin: so i just "compiz --replace" and i can use effects without any probs on ati?
[18:25] <stdin> xenol: as long as the ati driver supports AIGLX, otherwise you need XGL
[18:26] <yaccin> is there a program to convert windows cursors to linux cursors?
[18:26] <stdin> xenol: I mean, if the driver supports it, I don't know if one does
[18:26] <marcreichelt> does anybody know how I may enable the Composite effects after an upgrade to gutsy?
[18:26] <xenol> stdin: well on gutsy u have xgl installed bydefault?
[18:26] <stdin> xenol: no
[18:27] <stdin> xenol: if it's installed it's enabled by default tho
[18:27] <stdin> !compiz | marcreichelt
[18:27] <ubotu> marcreichelt: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[18:27] <marcreichelt> k, thanks stdin :)
[18:28] <ezr2007> BudgetDedicated: try edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add      Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True" to  Device section
[18:28] <shiva_> pardon me but when trying to upgrade to gutsy I encounter an error - apparently the upgrader tries to download something from us.archive.ubuntu etc. which is not trusted - what do i do?
[18:28] <rquinn> hi
[18:28] <rquinn> does anyone know if kubuntu gutsy has xgl and compiz fusion working by default out of the box?
[18:29] <ezr2007> BudgedDedicated: nvidia-card?
[18:29] <stdin> rquinn: it doesn't
[18:29] <stdin> rquinn: you have to install both
[18:29] <ttread> rquinn: it doesn't
[18:29] <rquinn> thank you
[18:29] <DaSkreech> stdin: heehee
[18:30] <xenol> stdin: i got problem the repos in that article says that i dont need to add them but when i want to install compiz and its parts it cant connect to server what should i do?
[18:30] <stdin> xenol: change to another mirror, they are being hit hard from upgrades
[18:31] <genii> wait until everyone is done d/l gutsy ?
[18:31] <xenol> stdin: so should i add those unofficial repos?
[18:31] <stdin> no
[18:32] <Leopard> Help i am having major issues on Kubuntu 7.10 dolphin wont start Konversation wont start no application will run and i dont know why?
[18:32] <stdin> !mirror
[18:32] <ubotu> Kubuntu can be downloaded in various formats from here: http://kubuntu.org/download.php
[18:32] <voicu> no dvd version of gutsy?
[18:32] <shiva_> don't mean to bother but well maybe anybody knows what i should do: when trying to upgrade to gutsy I encounter an error - apparently the upgrader tries to download something from us.archive.ubuntu etc. which is not trusted - how do I fix this?
[18:32] <DaSkreech> Leopard: What happens when you run them?
[18:32] <xenol> stdin: so should i change to us repo from my national?
[18:32] <stdin> xenol: yep
[18:32] <Leopard> they appear to load and then dissapear
[18:32] <DaSkreech> shiva_: It's being buried ues a different server
[18:33] <DaSkreech> !mirror | shiva_
[18:33] <ubotu> shiva_: Kubuntu can be downloaded in various formats from here: http://kubuntu.org/download.php
[18:33]  * DaSkreech glares at stdout
[18:33] <stdin> see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive for more mirrors
[18:33] <martinjh99> Hey guys congrats on a great release!!
[18:33] <rabindra> how to install real player using Adept or otherwise
[18:34] <shiva_> but how do i change the repository it's supposed to retrieve packages from? i set it to germany instead of us but it still tries to download it form us.archive etc
[18:34] <DaSkreech> !real | martinjh99
[18:34] <Leopard> so what am i doing wrong Daisuke-Ido?
[18:34] <ubotu> martinjh99: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[18:34] <martinjh99> I like the way you can install ATI drivers /mp3 support without any messing about
[18:34] <DaSkreech> Doh. rabindra ^^^
[18:34] <DaSkreech> sorry martinjh99
[18:34] <stdin> martinjh99: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RealplayerInstallationMethods
[18:35] <martinjh99> Not me I dont want Realplayer... ;)
[18:35] <Leopard> 7.10 is so broken i dont know where to start to glue the pieces
[18:35] <BudgetDedicated> Ok so compiz is now working after fidling with the settings manager. But I have one last question about compix. I have two monitors and use xrandr to have one above the other. I'd like it if I could get two seperate cubes on each monitor is that possilble ? I can't seem to find the option
[18:35] <DaSkreech> stdin: you did the samthing I did. Wrong person
[18:35] <voicu> if my system is edgy and i upgraded to feisty can i upgrade to gutsy?
[18:35] <stdin> umm, Anyone who want's it: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RealplayerInstallationMethods :p
[18:36] <xenol> stdin: can those repos be from source o matic page?
[18:36] <DaSkreech> Leopard: run it from the command line see if you get an error
[18:36] <DaSkreech> Leopard: Ignore the badDevice error
[18:36] <shiva_> coivu: sure you can
[18:36] <stdin> xenol: they can
[18:36] <DaSkreech> voicu: yes
[18:36] <stdin> voicu: yep, you have to go Edgy > Feisty > Gutsy
[18:36] <voicu> will i get kde 3.5.8 or do i have to install it separately?
[18:36] <xenol> stdin: should i include beryl repo also?
[18:37] <xenol> voicu: u get it
[18:37] <stdin> kde 3.5.8 is the default in gutsy
[18:37] <voicu> ok then, thanks
[18:37] <stdin> xenol: no, beryl is dead
[18:39] <shiva_> well ok i'm asking agani in the hopes that someone knows how to upgrade to gutsy wihtout having to download the entire alternate dvd. as written above i tried to run the upgrade wizard which returned an error because the us server isn't trusted
[18:39] <cata> UNIX RULZ
[18:40] <stdin> shiva_: try running "sudo apt-get update" in konsole, or try switching to another mirror
[18:40] <shiva_> how do i switch to a different mirror? tried CH, DE, US, but it always tries to retrieve from the US
[18:40] <shiva_> (done sudo apt-get update
[18:41] <stdin> make sure all your sources are set to the other mirror..
[18:41] <jmichaelx> !real player
[18:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about real player - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:41] <jmichaelx> !realplay
[18:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about realplay - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:41] <vzduch> !realplayer
[18:41] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[18:41] <stdin> shiva_: if adept just isn't working, try installing "update-manager-core" and running "sudo do-release-upgrade"
[18:41] <shiva_> done that - same error.
[18:42] <shiva_> (that's the server way to install it) . claims - as well - that the server isn't trusted.
[18:42] <frb> howdy again
[18:42] <frb> if I have an ubuntu gutsy dvd, can I "upgrade" that to kubuntu?
[18:43] <shiva_> frb: install kubuntu-desktop
[18:43] <frb> great, I'll go install it then :)
[18:43] <stdin> !purekde | frb, then you can do this
[18:43] <ubotu> frb, then you can do this: purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »
[18:43] <LeeJunFan> anyone know if KDE4b3 has a task manager/kmenu yet?
[18:44] <emilsedgh> LeeJunFan: both
[18:44] <emilsedgh> LeeJunFan: task manager is ksysguard
[18:44] <emilsedgh> LeeJunFan: i havent tested b3 yet but kickoff menu should be there
[18:44] <BudgetDedicated> I have a question about xranr+compiz. Because of the limitation of 2048 x 2048 for 3d i now configured screen 1 'below' screen2 this way they fit in the limits of 2048 x 2048 because 2*1280 next to eachother would not fit. But Can I somehow 'trick' the system into using the vertical FB setup but moving windows from left to right instead of up an down?
[18:44] <brobostigon> hi
[18:44] <DaSkreech> shiva_: You have something against the DVd ?
[18:45] <DaSkreech> LeeJunFan: Yes I know
[18:45] <xenol> stdin: i installed compiz did compiz --replace and nothing happened
[18:45] <LeeJunFan> emilsedgh: oops, I meant taskbar. I'll probably try it tonight either way.
[18:45] <stdin> xenol: run it from konsole, see if it shows any errors
[18:45] <sub[t]rnl> BudgetDedicated: you can setup the side by side screen if they fit within the virtual 2048
[18:46] <sub[t]rnl> BudgetDedicated: other than that, I'm not sure it can be "tricked"
[18:46] <xenol> stdin: showed this Checking for Xgl: not present.
[18:46] <vzduch> evening folks :)
[18:46] <stdin> xenol: installed "xserver-xgl" ?
[18:46] <JohnFlux> LeeJunFan: in kde4, if you press alt+f2, it brings up the run dialog.  That contains a button to show the task manager
[18:46] <xenol> stdin: nop
[18:46] <stdout> xenol: or nvidia found?
[18:47] <stdin> xenol: there's the problem then :)
[18:47] <JohnFlux> LeeJunFan: oh uh nm, you meant taskbar sorry
[18:47] <BudgetDedicated> sub[t]rnl: no they both are 1280 so that does not fit. I understand how this is a hardware issue. But the software could possibly work around this and still make left to right possible.
[18:47] <xenol> stdout: i got ati
[18:47] <stdout> ok
[18:47] <xenol> !xgl
[18:47] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[18:48] <xenol> stdin: which guidelines should i follow? for feisty??
[18:48] <DaSkreech> Hi JohnFlux
[18:48] <JohnFlux> DaSkreech: yo
[18:48] <stdin> xenol: no, just install xserver-xgl, then restart X
[18:49] <WaltzingAlong> !sources
[18:49] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[18:50]  * nosrednaekim wishpers that the new ATI drivers are due outthe next day or so
[18:51] <DaSkreech> Which?
[18:51] <DaSkreech> OSS or the .... other ?
[18:51] <LeeJunFan> The other.
[18:51] <LeeJunFan> With composite supposedly.
[18:51] <ubuntero_numero1> anyone know how to configure compiz ?  Where is it that you set up the shortcuts?
[18:51] <hero> does anyone know of a website that lists all the file locations konqueror uses (e.g., cache, auto-complete, history)?
[18:51] <gspr> Hi. I ran an upgrade of Kubuntu from Feisty to Gutsy using the prescribed method for Kubuntu. At the end of the update process, at the part where obsolete packages are removed during the cleanup, the updater started hogging more and more memory, going beyond 90%. After a while, I noticed it gave the message "update-manager crashing..." and then X hung and I had to reboot. Gutsy came up fine, but adept still reports a new version being available.
[18:51] <nosrednaekim> the fglrx... 8.42
[18:52] <LeeJunFan> Of course as far as ATI/Composite effects, I'll believe it when I see it.
[18:52] <the-erm> Anyone know of a site that will help you set up your sources.list?
[18:52] <stdin> ubuntero_numero1: if you installed compizconfig-settings-manager, press Alt-F2 and put in: ccsm
[18:52] <DaSkreech> ubuntero_numero1: in the Control center
[18:52] <stdin> !source-o-matic | the-erm
[18:52] <ubotu> the-erm: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[18:52] <nosrednaekim> LeeJunFan: seems a review was posted by mistake on Phoronix, it all works :)
[18:52] <the-erm> thanks stdin
[18:53] <nosrednaekim> gspr: its reporting that gutsy is an upgrade while you are running gutsy?
[18:53] <ubuntero_numero1> stdin, its just a blank window with prefenences and search
[18:53] <gspr> nosrednaekim: Yes
[18:53] <Firetech> Is it really a good idea to recommend users to activate the -proposed repo before upgrading (the instructions in the announcement), won't it be activated after the upgrade too?
[18:53] <Black_Monkey> hm, adept updates... better for the gutsy upgrade I guess?
[18:53] <gspr> nosrednaekim: Probably because the installation hung in its very last percent, like I explained.
[18:53] <stdin> ubuntero_numero1: the keyboard shortcuts  are in each module
[18:54] <BudgetDedicated> I'm getting ugly white edges around menus. Any thoughts?
[18:54] <nosrednaekim> gspr: thats funny....can you just tell it to be quiet?
[18:54] <ubuntero_numero1> stdin, but there is nothing in that window
[18:54] <stdin> BudgetDedicated: that's the compiz-kde window decorator, it's a bug in compiz
[18:54] <gspr> nosrednaekim: No. I suspect it's reporting this because the upgrade never quite finished. I'd like to fix that
[18:54] <nosrednaekim> gspr: ah.. right :) well, can you use the tool to do it?
[18:54] <ubuntero_numero1> stdin, its says filter, search, preferences, etc - nothing of settings of options is there
[18:55] <stdin> ubuntero_numero1: make sure you installed compiz properly then
[18:55] <ubuntero_numero1> On 7-10
[18:55] <BudgetDedicated> stdin: no workaround for that ?
[18:55] <gspr> nosrednaekim:Hmm.. which tool?
[18:55] <BudgetDedicated> stdin: I have it on my main panel too
[18:55] <ubuntero_numero1> compizconfig - ccsm
[18:55] <ScorpKing> hiya genii!
[18:55] <stdin> BudgetDedicated: yeah, use emerald or aquamarine I guess
[18:55] <hero> does anyone know of a website that lists all the file locations konqueror uses (e.g., cache, auto-complete, history)?
[18:55] <nosrednaekim> gspr: the upgrader...
[18:56] <gspr> nosrednaekim: What do you mean? I tried to run the upgrade again, but it just says I'm already at the latest version
[18:56] <lee986321> can any one tell me for the love of pete why it is faster to download to an sd card then it is to laod to the HDD?
[18:56] <nosrednaekim> gspr: thats funny
[18:56] <lee986321> HDD is at 3 percent sd card is at 50
[18:57] <lee986321> and bothwere started at the same time lol
[18:57] <q1w2e3r4> Got Problems. Kubuntu seems to not support my raid
[18:57] <nosrednaekim> lee986321: maybe the whole SD card is being kept in memory? so as to minimize writes
[18:57] <q1w2e3r4> Ubuntu did, Kubuntu not
[18:57] <lee986321> well plus or minus 2 seconds
[18:57] <q1w2e3r4> what to do guys?
[18:57] <stdin> lee986321: the card isn't written to until just before it's unmounted
[18:57] <lee986321> eh can you elebrate a lilte further on that one lol
[18:58] <lee986321> oh no its direct
[18:58] <lee986321> its flashing as the file downloads
[18:58] <stdin> lee986321: it all goes in to a cache first
[18:58] <lee986321> eh
[18:58] <lee986321> its by passing the cache soem how
[18:58] <stdin> lee986321: even "cat file > /dev/sdb1" still goes in to a cache
[18:59] <ubuntero_numero1> compizconfig - ccsm doesnt work
[18:59] <ubuntero_numero1> =(
[18:59] <lee986321> weird..becasue its doesnt act like its caching because it in continual flash mode
[19:00] <lee986321> but that doesnt answer why the hdd is stuck at 4 percent lol
[19:00] <nosrednaekim> lee986321: ah... hmm, CD write is supposed to be slow
[19:00] <DaSkreech> q1w2e3r4: they use the same files so if Ubuntu can read it then Kubuntu can as well
[19:00] <stdin> lee986321: try just pulling out the card and see how much data is lost ;) (don't actually do that)
[19:00] <nosrednaekim> *SD
[19:00] <xenol> stdin: its too slugish with xserver-xgl
[19:00] <DaSkreech> ubuntero_numero1: just ccsm
[19:00] <stdin> xenol: nothing anyone can do about that
[19:00] <Kein> Yeah, I really hated how badly xgl slowed my comp down.
[19:00]  * leileilol gets kubuntu gutsy from university of yuan ze
[19:00] <lee986321> eh well the pwoer went out and the file that was there said 40 percent
[19:01] <q1w2e3r4> DaSkreech: It was Ubuntu 7.04 before and it always worked. now its Kubuntu 7.10 and doesnt work
[19:01] <DaSkreech> lel
[19:01] <DaSkreech> leileilol: :-D
[19:01] <lee986321> I deleted it and restarted
[19:01] <leileilol> i'm getting the amd64 one
[19:01] <xenol> stdin: so i can remove compiz and xserver-xgl?
[19:01] <leileilol> shame there's no dvds :(
[19:01] <leileilol> because i can't read cd
[19:01] <stdin> xenol: if you want to
[19:01] <leileilol> nor burn cd
[19:01] <Kein> Um, you should be able to.  Dunno if there are any dependencies.
[19:01] <lee986321> no human can read a dvd lol
[19:01] <ubuntero_numero1> DaSkreech, it doesnt show any settings options at all
[19:01] <xenol> stdin: anything else i can do with it and run compiz?
[19:02] <leileilol> hey i can read a laserdisc :(((
[19:02] <lee986321> well the hdd being the pain it is i canceled the dl lol
[19:02] <stdin> xenol: get an motherboard with an intel GPU or buy a nvidia card :p
[19:03] <xenol> stdin: gonna happen next week :S ordered yesterday but any chance i can run and see xgl on my own eyes or have to wait?
[19:03] <lee986321> waht boards will support a pentium 4 dual threading 64 bit processor?
[19:03] <nosrednaekim> xenol: wait a few days for the new ATI drivers
[19:04] <stdin> xenol: you'll have to wait
[19:04] <xenol> nosrednaekim: u have same prob?
[19:04] <nosrednaekim> xenol: no... xgl works fone for me, but the new ATI drivers will have AIGLX
[19:04] <lee986321> hmm the ati dirivers taht I have are saying that I am only using 32 megs and I know I have a 256 meg card
[19:05] <xenol> nosrednaekim:  and when r they to come out? ;p
[19:05] <nosrednaekim> xenol: withn the week
[19:06] <xevious> compiz is cool, but it keeps freezing a bit
[19:06] <xevious> for like up to 15 seconds
[19:06] <xevious> it's weird
[19:06] <lee986321> hmmm
[19:06] <lee986321> compiz?
[19:06] <xevious> compiz-fusion
[19:07] <xenol> stdin: to have strigi fully functional do i have to index my disk first?
[19:07] <DaSkreech> ubuntero_numero1: rinstall ccsm ?
[19:07] <lee986321> hmm because stinking cards stuck aat 32 megs even the reular see through window effects crash
[19:07] <brobostigon> hi, how do i upgrade my kubuntu via cli to gutsy
[19:08] <edavis10> brobostigon: sudo apt-get install update-manager-core
[19:08] <lee986321> but after i get all nice an situated i am heading to the sight genni gave me
[19:08] <stdin> xenol: if it hasen't indexed your files, it can't search them ;)
[19:08] <edavis10> brobostigon: sudo do-release-upgrade
[19:08] <lee986321> eh genii
[19:08] <dhq>  can wifi laptops use wimax
[19:08] <ubuntero_numero1> DaSkreech, How?
[19:09] <xenol> stdin: i have only basic locations do i need to add if i want strigi  to let find my photos, music, movies etc?
[19:09] <nosrednaekim> dhq: ussually not
[19:09] <brobostigon> apt-get dist-upgrade, is that right.
[19:09] <dhq> nosrednaekim, how is there any hack
[19:09] <rami> anyone updated? i cant for some apparent readon;(
[19:09] <nosrednaekim> dhq: no
[19:09] <stdin> xenol: go to strigi:/status in konqueror, you can set what directories it indexes then
[19:10] <dhq> damn :(