[12:10] <ActionParsnip> Thus_Lex: sudo depmod -a
[12:11] <stdin> you should do:    echo "ath_pci" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[12:11] <stdin> to stop the alternate driver loading
[12:11] <tsb_> Is it possible to have kosole set the encoding based on SSL_CONNECTION? (ie which server you are connected to)
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> Thus_Lex: sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> Thus_Lex: any errors?
[12:12] <Thus_Lex> i typed in sudo depmod -a and it took about 20 seconds for anythign to happen
[12:12] <Thus_Lex> then i typed the modprobe ndiswrapper and nothing happened
[12:12] <Thus_Lex> just a new ubuntu@ubuntu:
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> Thus_Lex: this is good
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> Thus_Lex: just need sudo ifup wlan0
[12:13] <Thus_Lex> Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0.
[12:13] <ActionParsnip> stdin: will he need to add sudo ndiswrapper -m in his /etc/modules file
[12:14] <ActionParsnip> stdin: so ndiswrapper is loaded at boot
[12:14] <stdin> ActionParsnip: "sudo ndiswrapper -m" adds ndiswrapper to /etc/modules, so just need to do that command once
[12:14] <Thus_Lex> now what ActionParsnip?
[12:14] <ActionParsnip> stdin: cheers man
[12:15] <ActionParsnip> Thus_Lex: sudo ndiswrapper -m
[12:15] <Thus_Lex> ok now what?
[12:15] <stdin> Thus_Lex: can you post the output of "iwconfig" to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org too, just to make sure everything is working?
[12:15] <im-a-n00b> no one with board recommendations?
[12:16] <stdin> im-a-n00b: try asking in #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:16] <im-a-n00b> stdin: kk thanks :)
[12:17] <ActionParsnip> stdin: how does that paste thing work. Does it just update to everyone accessing when a user pastes?
[12:17] <Thus_Lex> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/46077/
[12:17] <Thus_Lex> so what do I do now???
[12:17] <ActionParsnip> stdin: i got it :)
[12:17] <stdin> ActionParsnip: it just creates a page with that text on it, then the user gives back the url :)
[12:18] <ActionParsnip> Thus_Lex: you should now be able to access your network config and setup the network from there
[12:18] <stdin> Thus_Lex: ok, can you also post "ifconfig" now? (you may have to reboot for everything to work
[12:18] <stdin> ActionParsnip: not quite
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> stdin: bah, I always by netgear wifi. Not overly in love with ndiswrapper
[12:19] <Thus_Lex> stdin: bash: ipconfig: command not found
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> stdin: what else is needed
[12:19] <stdin> Thus_Lex: i said "ifconfig" not "ipconfig" ;)
[12:20] <Thus_Lex> oh :p
[12:20] <stdin> ActionParsnip: it may need a reboot to make sure the ath_pci driver is unloaded and ndiswrapper has control
[12:20] <ActionParsnip> Thus_Lex: do the above. stdin cheers man
[12:21] <Thus_Lex> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/46078/
[12:21] <ActionParsnip> stdin: dont we have to do some radiostate shenanigans
[12:22] <poison--> lol@ipconfig
[12:22] <stdin> Thus_Lex: ok, now after you reboot, if you see the same in both commands something is wrong. so let's hope it shows different after a reboot
[12:22] <Thus_Lex> ok brb then
[12:22] <brent> hi
[12:23] <ActionParsnip> h ibrent
[12:24] <brent> anyone have trouble installing compiz in kubuntu amd64 7.10?
[12:24] <stdin> did you follow the guide?
[12:24] <stdin> !compiz
[12:24] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[12:24] <brent> awesome, thanks
[12:24] <brent> !compiz
[12:24] <ActionParsnip> stdin loves the !
[12:25] <stdin> ActionParsnip: saves me typing out the same info over and over and over and over and over....
[12:25] <Armakidon> .j ubuntu-ru
[12:25] <ActionParsnip> heheh stdin, I can see it ;)
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> stdin: where are you from?
[12:27] <stdin> UK
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> stdin: me too. LEEDS
[12:28] <stdin> I'm in B'Ham
[12:31] <ThusLex> well i got some really really bad news
[12:31] <ActionParsnip> ..
[12:31] <ThusLex> linux is running of a disc
[12:31] <ThusLex> so of course when i restarted it nothing was saved -_-
[12:32] <ThusLex> its a re writeable disc so i thought it would save it all...
[12:32] <stdin> heh, we thought you'd installed it to the HDD
[12:32]  * ActionParsnip looks at stdin :(
[12:32] <ThusLex> erm
[12:32] <ThusLex> is it possible to run it off my usb key?
[12:32] <ThusLex> AND actually save the stuff on it
[12:32] <poison--> lol, instaled compiz-fusion and my process table is gone
[12:32] <poison--> lol
[12:33] <ThusLex> ActionParsnip or stdin?
[12:34] <stdin> ThusLex: not sure if it's working yet. that feature was broken a release or two ago. but even if it's fixed, it'll only save data from /home/ubuntu
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> ThusLex: yes you can install it to a usb key. as it is a writable media, the settings will stay. We assumed you had installed the system and not just running it live
[12:34] <Jucato> poison--: what do you mean by "gone"?
[12:34] <stdin> you'd need to remaster the desktop cd to have it use ndiswrapper
[12:34] <ThusLex> well how do i do it actionparsnip?
[12:35] <ThusLex> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/09/21/usb-ubuntu-704-persistent-install-for-linux-users/
[12:35] <ThusLex> is that link the right instructions?
[12:35] <ActionParsnip> ThusLex: if you do it it will WIPE your hard drive and remove whatever is on there at the moment
[12:35] <ThusLex> it will wipe my harddrive on my laptop?
[12:36] <ThusLex> or on my usb key?
[12:36] <ActionParsnip> ThusLex: if you do a normal install, yes. The USB drive install walkthrough looks cool
[12:36] <ActionParsnip> ThusLex: the USB install wont touch your internal drive
[12:37] <ThusLex> ok well i'll follow the instructions now
[12:37] <stdin> not sure that's exactly what you want, I think that will save only user's settings, not system settings
[12:37] <stdin> but you can try and hope :)
[12:38] <poison--> Jucato, doest show any process running
[12:38] <poison--> :D
[12:38] <poison--> cant Kill nothing now :(
[12:38] <Jucato> poison--: are you sure you don't have anything filtered (text in the filter bar)?
[12:39] <poison--> nope
[12:39] <poison--> all ok
[12:39] <poison--> second time compiz messes around with it
[12:39] <Jucato> All Processes is set?
[12:39] <poison--> yes
[12:39] <Jucato> weird...
[12:39] <Jucato> but top is behaving normally?
[12:39] <poison--> "top"?
[12:40] <Jucato> in Konsole :)
[12:40] <poison--> ohh yes
[12:40] <Jucato> bleh compiz-foo
[12:40] <Jucato> :P
[12:40] <ThusLex> i really hope this works
[12:40] <poison--> lmao
[12:40] <poison--> damn virtualbox is eating all my resources
[12:41] <poison--> gonna kill compiz
[12:41] <poison--> !compiz
[12:41] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[12:42] <ThusLex> lol
[12:42] <ThusLex> the first stage doesnt work
[12:42] <ThusLex> Type umount /dev/sdx1
[12:42] <ThusLex> bash: unmount: command not found
[12:42] <ActionParsnip> ThusLex: it wont be sdx1
[12:42] <ThusLex> yes ive done it as sdb1
[12:42] <poison--> omg
[12:43] <ActionParsnip> ThusLex: it'll be sd<some letter>
[12:43] <ActionParsnip> ThusLex: try df in konsole
[12:43] <ActionParsnip> ThusLex: this will give you the info you need
[12:43] <ThusLex> /dev/sdb1               995808    719504    276304  73% /media/disk
[12:43] <ThusLex> even when i
[12:43] <ThusLex> oops
[12:43] <ThusLex> yes but when i type @u
[12:44] <ThusLex> unmount
[12:44] <ActionParsnip> Thug-life: then its sudo umount /dev/sdb1
[12:44] <ThusLex> oh
[12:44] <ThusLex> so u put sudo infront of every command?
[12:44] <ThusLex> or most
[12:44] <ActionParsnip> ThusLex: users cant unmount stuff
[12:44] <ThusLex> ah ok
[12:44] <ThusLex> soz
[12:44] <ActionParsnip> ThusLex: only when its an admin task and its a command line command
[12:44] <stdin> it should probably be "pumount /dev/sdb1"
[12:45] <ActionParsnip> ThusLex: if you want to run a gui app (like kate) then use kdesu
[12:45] <ThusLex> root@ubuntu:/home/ubuntu# sudo unmount /dev/sdb1
[12:45] <ThusLex> sudo: unmount: command not found
[12:45] <stdin> ThusLex: "umount" not "unmount"
[12:45] <ActionParsnip> ThusLex: umount
[12:45] <ThusLex> meh
[12:45] <ThusLex> i need to start reading
[12:45] <stdin> it's important you do ;)
[12:45] <stdin> the console is powerful, so you need to be careful
[12:46] <ActionParsnip> ThusLex: you can type um and then press tab
[12:46] <ActionParsnip> ThusLex: it finishes stuff for you
[12:46] <ThusLex> ok
[12:47] <stdin> !tab
[12:47] <ubotu> You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[12:47] <stdin> :)
[12:48] <ActionParsnip> ThusLex: I pretty much keep my pinkie on tab the whole time
[12:49] <ThusLex> ok
[12:49] <stdin> and the backspace key are the two most used keys on my keyboard
[12:50] <Jucato> shift, left control, left win key, left alt, and enter... all rubbed out..
[12:50] <Jucato> (win key, for Amarok...)
[12:50] <stdin> if I could get my media keys to work, I wouldn't need my win key
[12:51]  * Jucato has no such keys... old keyboard...
[12:51] <stdin> it's the only thing I miss, I've created a script to set the brightness for me so I don't miss those keys
[12:52] <ThusLex> If everything has gone as it should, you should now be able to boot Ubuntu 7.04 from the USB flash device and it should save your changes, restoring them on boot.
[12:52] <ThusLex> hmm
[12:54] <ThusLex> hm ok
[12:54] <ThusLex> should work now
[12:54] <ThusLex> let me see..
[12:54] <ThusLex> brb
[13:03] <marciano> ls
[13:03] <marciano> oi
[13:10] <ThusLex> meh
[13:10] <ThusLex> stdin?
[13:10] <ThusLex> no when it tries to boot the usb key
[13:10] <ThusLex> it comesu p
[13:11] <ThusLex> Could not find kerrnel image: vmlinuz
[13:11] <lg188> hello
[13:11] <stdin> ThusLex: that page says you may need to install lilo on the usb drive
[13:12] <ThusLex> lilo?
[13:12] <ThusLex> where can i get that?
[13:12] <stdin> ThusLex: "sudo apt-get install lilo" then do "lilo -M /dev/sdb"
[13:14] <lg188> is everybody ok ?
[13:14] <ThusLex> stdin
[13:14] <ThusLex> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ lilo -M /dev/sdb1
[13:14] <ThusLex> Fatal: /dev/sdb1 is not a master device with a primary parition table
[13:14] <stdin> ThusLex: /dev/sdb, not /dev/sdb1
[13:15] <ThusLex> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ lilo -M /dev/sdb
[13:15] <ThusLex> Fatal: creat /boot/boot.0810: Permission denied
[13:15] <stdin> use sudo then
[13:15] <row> Anyone here use compiz no how to get the desktop count to match if set number of desktops in kde to lets say 2, it shows 4 in the switcher in kde desktop switcher but in fact only has 2?
[13:15] <row> I am using gusty kubuntu amd64
[13:15] <stdin> row: compiz bug, nothing you can do except remove the pager applet
[13:15] <ThusLex> The Master Boot Record of  /dev/sdb  has been updated.
[13:15] <ThusLex> so it should work now?
[13:16] <stdin> ThusLex: try it and see
[13:16] <ThusLex> ok
[13:16] <ThusLex> im gonna try it on my other computer
[13:18] <ThusLex> i g2g
[13:18] <ThusLex> i'll be bak later
[13:18] <osman47> !de
[13:18] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[13:21] <ThusLex1> stdin
[13:21] <ThusLex1> it still comes up the same error
[13:21] <ThusLex1> any ideas? ....
[13:21] <stdin> no, I've never tried to boot from usb
[13:21] <remotechief_311> How can I install ".deb-FIles" (I thought it is something with dpkg...)
[13:22] <stdin> !deb
[13:22] <ubotu> deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click (in Ubuntu) or click (in Kubuntu) on them to start the GDebi utility.
[13:22] <ThusLex1> meh
[13:22] <ThusLex1> i'll try it gain
[13:22] <ThusLex1> again
[13:23] <fredrik> .Hi I filde with uprade to 7.10 (a link opend in the package manager insted of Firefox) now I cant restart de upgrade, thr package manger is in use it says
[13:23] <lg188> some question : (not really related to Kubuntu ):somebody knows alpha thing ,were you can do things by a some sort of machine
[13:23] <fredrik> Failed
[13:24] <remotechief_311> I want to install the file with shell
[13:24] <stdin> remotechief_311: "sudo dpkg -i file.deb"
[13:24] <stdin> !aptfix | fredrik, try this
[13:24] <ubotu> fredrik, try this: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[13:25] <JackWinter> hiya, is there a command or program for setting pci latency and to reassign apic assigned irqs?
[13:25] <remotechief_311> stdin: thanks ;)
[13:25] <crashev> when I try to boot kubuntu-7.10-rc-desktop-amd64.iso livecd i get black screen on nvidia 8600GS - any workaround for that?
[13:25] <JackWinter> or who knows maybe config files..
[13:26] <fredrik> ubotu: thanks it worked
[13:26] <stdin> crashev: tried in safe graphics mode?
[13:27] <crashev> stdin: not, but anyway safe graphics mode is for instaltation purposes only not for running livecd distro ?
[13:27] <stdin> crashev: for both
[13:27] <crashev> will try it then
[13:29] <JackWinter> any know if there is an ubuntu or linux hardware groiup?
[13:30] <stdin> JackWinter: try ##linux
[13:45] <ThusLex1> meh someone help :(
[13:45] <ThusLex1> ive tried to do it again but it still wont work..
[13:45] <ThusLex1> comes up it cant find the stupid image
[13:45] <ThusLex1> anyone know???
[13:49] <ThusLex1> :(
[13:50] <remotechief_311> which is the best backup program (konserve?)
[13:54] <ubuntu> lol
[13:59] <sebastian^> hi folks :)
[14:03] <mrsno> spotted a typo on the kubuntuhardy page
[14:03] <mrsno> Thank you for your changes. Your attention to detail is appreciated.
[14:04] <rallisopuli> hello
[14:04] <rallisopuli> HALOOO HOMOT?!??!
[14:07] <lovre> hi all
[14:07] <pag> hey lovre :)
[14:08] <lovre> my open office opens in fullscreen mode and i cant select anything from the menu, it acts weird. Im using compiz on kubuntu gutsy
[14:08] <lovre> its not usable like this, is there anything i can do
[14:09] <pag> lovre, well... I personally use neither, but you could try, if alt+f3 -> resize  or alt+f3 -> advanced -> fullscreen  will help you
[14:10] <lovre> alt+f3 doesnt do anything
[14:11] <pag> hmph... probably compiz has another keybinding for window menu then... :\
[14:12]  * genii sips a coffee
[14:15] <jtmoney> in compiz, what is the name of the feature that shows all the virtual desktops lined up in a line with a reflection on the bottom?
[14:16] <pag> jtmoney, 'Desktop Wall' or something similiar iirc
[14:16] <jtmoney> hmm, desktop plane?
[14:16] <jtmoney> that disables the cube =(
[14:17] <jtmoney> nah, that's not it... let me keep looking
[14:18] <Jucato> desktop wall? maybe desktop grid? maybe #compiz-fusion ?
[14:18] <jtmoney> ahh, i was wondering why #compiz was so dead
[14:18] <jtmoney> whoops
[14:18] <jtmoney> thanks, guys
[14:19] <lovre> is there anywhere an option in openoffice to set it to load as a fullscreen or something else
[14:24] <jtmoney> ahh, i needed compiz-fusion-plugins-main
[14:24] <jtmoney> it's called "expo"
[14:24] <jtmoney> ;)
[14:29] <vlt> Hello. After creating and deleting some files in an NFS mounted directory I got three additional files matching ".nfs0001fed90000000[1-3]" in the directory. Any idea?
[14:30] <vlt> Looking further into the files I can see that these are files I deleted using Konqueror.
[14:32] <flake> is ut3 out yet, is it good, and is there a linux client for it
[14:33] <vlt> I can't remove the files (busy). `fuser` tells me that a Konqueror process is using them.
[14:33] <Daisuke-Ido> google, google, and google
[14:33] <flake> looks like just a beta
[14:34] <flake> please, i have googly eyes
[14:34] <Daisuke-Ido> then there you have your answer :)
[14:34] <Daisuke-Ido> i only recommend that because i don't know for sure
[14:35] <flake> downloading beta right now, always get best speed from Gamers Hell
[14:35] <vlt> I killed the Konqueror process and now the files are gone ... hmmmm funny
[14:37] <flake> should be in stores by now, oh well.. off to try the demo
[14:40] <flake> tried to install UT3 beta under wine, it wants IE5+ installed first before NET 2.0
[14:40] <flake> hmm
[14:41] <jac0b-work> I am having problem with adept it gives a error while it is configuring I think
[14:42] <ThusLex> stdin u there?
[14:42] <jac0b-work> is there any fix for it
[14:43] <stdin> ThusLex: just about
[14:43] <ThusLex> well it is sort of working
[14:43] <ThusLex> it freezes when it asks me to boot ubuntu
[14:44] <ThusLex> so i thought i wil try that lilo thing again
[14:44] <ThusLex> but the problem is when i get and install it with the terminal
[14:44] <ThusLex> it says i have to execute the /sbin/lilo
[14:44] <ThusLex> how do i do that?
[14:44] <ThusLex> oh and i have to open liloconfiguration(8) or something
[14:44] <ThusLex> any ideas stdin?
[14:45] <desman4774> !de
[14:45] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[14:45] <stdin> ThusLex: I haven't used lilo in years, but I think you just do "sudo lilo /dev/sdb" or something like that
[14:45] <mrsno> flake http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=9433&iTestingId=16393 it doesn't look too good
[14:45] <stdin> jac0b-work: give "sudo dpkg --configure -a" a go in konsole
[14:46] <jac0b-work> thanks stdin
[14:46] <ThusLex> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo lilo -M /dev/sdb
[14:46] <ThusLex> Backup copy of /dev/sdb in /boot/boot.0810
[14:46] <ThusLex> The Master Boot Record of  /dev/sdb  has been updated.
[14:46] <ThusLex> well i;; try it again
[14:46] <stdin> hmm, he still need to learn to read ;) I didn't say anything about "-M"
[14:46] <desman4774> whats the name of a very good encrypteR?
[14:47] <jac0b-work> can I use this for getting the correct sources for kubuntu or is this just for ubuntu http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/
[14:47] <mrsno> !encrypt
[14:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about encrypt - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:47] <desman4774> !encrypt
[14:47] <mrsno> desman4774 the ubuntu wiki has a few things mentioned on file encryption, there are a few methods really
[14:48] <pag> jac0b-work, it works for both.
[14:48] <stdin> jac0b-work: ubuntu and kubuntu use the same sources
[14:48] <bcoffiel44> Hi all.  I'm a master noobian with linux....  Question:  i've dealt first hand with the knetwork manager glitch or whatever (had to reformat and reinstall the entire os).  yesterday though, it just wasn't showing up at all, even after multiple restarts.  I'd installed nothing, changed nothing since last it worked.  And then after booting into windows and working there (where the internet is...
[14:48] <bcoffiel44> ...fine) and coming back it worked.  Any idea why this happened, and is there any command to reset the network interface or whatever?
[14:48] <BluesKaj> Morning folks
[14:49] <jac0b-work> thanks everyone for the help
[14:49] <Dragonath> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". <-- quake3 startup says this. how do I fix it? :)
[14:49] <mrsno> Dragonath you aren't launching q3 with sudo are you?
[14:49] <Dragonath> no
[14:50] <Dragonath> it worked two days ago, and I don't think I updated anything that mattered
[14:50] <mrsno> ok so have you either enabled the restricted drivers, or installed the binary drivers for your graphics card manually?
[14:50] <mrsno> if you got a kernel update then that could have caused it
[14:50] <Dragonath> I don't think I have messed with drivers at all
[14:51] <bcoffiel44> good mornign
[14:51] <Dragonath> however I might be wrong
[14:51] <mrsno> ok well try sudo /usr/bin/restricted-manager and check the box, if applicable :)
[14:51] <BluesKaj> Dragonath, which grphx card ?
[14:51] <stdin> erm, use system settings rather than starting it with sudo
[14:51] <Dragonath> ati radeon 9600
[14:51] <Dragonath> pro
[14:51] <mrsno> sorry, that should be gksudo / kd-equivalent
[14:52] <mrsno> using sudo for gui apps can cause problems :)
[14:52] <BluesKaj> Dragonath, using the restricted driver ?
[14:52] <ThusLex> argh
[14:52] <Dragonath> yes, I think so
[14:52] <ThusLex> someone must knwo why it keeps freezing whe
[14:52] <ThusLex> when its loading from my usk key!?
[14:52] <ThusLex> it must be my usb key
[14:52] <BluesKaj> Dragonath,you can check in system settings /advanced
[14:53] <ThusLex> even when i boot linux from the disc and have my usb key plugged in it freezes
[14:53] <ThusLex> without the key its fine
[14:53] <BluesKaj> ThusLex, you're confusing the bootup sequence , maybe
[14:54] <ThusLex> well i have put linux on my usb key
[14:54] <Dragonath> what bit under advanced settings?
[14:54] <ThusLex> following a tutorial on the internet
[14:54] <ThusLex> i take the disc out and plug my usb key in
[14:54] <BluesKaj> restricted driver/enabled
[14:54] <ThusLex> when it comes up the boot up screen to choose what i want to do, it just loads up to 100% then freezes..
[14:55] <mrsno> ThusLex which tutorial did you use? i have used the guide on pendrivelinux.com successfully, i believe the ubuntu wiki has steps for persistant usb bootable too
[14:55] <Dragonath> under system settings' advanced tab there's no mention of any restricted drivers
[14:56] <BluesKaj> Dragonath, feisty or gutsy?
[14:56] <Dragonath> there's just filesystems, system services, login manager, windows apps, audio encoding, kde resources, service manager and session manager
[14:56] <ThusLex> i used this guide: www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/09/28/usb-ubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbon-install/#more-243
[14:56] <ThusLex> mrsno
[14:56] <Dragonath> was feisty, updated to gutsy a few weeks ago
[14:56] <ThusLex> is that the one u used?
[14:57] <mrsno> ThusLex it might be, you could try fat32 in the partition stage, instead of fat16 (seemed to be quicker for me), but can i ask, are you using a usb2.0 pen ? usb 1 is too slow to be useable really
[14:58] <osman47> where does the things go when i download them with adeptmangaer
[14:58] <ThusLex> why am i using a usb 2.0 pen?
[14:58] <mrsno> pen drives can be usb or usb2.0 ThusLex :)
[14:58] <BluesKaj> Dragonath, sudo apt-get install restricted-manager
[14:59] <ThusLex> what one is best then?
[14:59] <ThusLex> usb or usb2.0
[14:59] <mrsno> usb2.0 is much faster
[14:59] <osman47> HELP PLS where do things go when i download them from adept manager?
[14:59] <ThusLex> mrsno mine is a usb2.0
[15:00] <Dragonath> they install themselves osman47
[15:00] <Dragonath> adept manager downloads them and then installs them exactly where they should be
[15:00] <ThusLex> Interface:  USB 2.0
[15:00] <osman47> i know but how can i start them!?
[15:00] <BluesKaj> osman47, usually in the k-menu
[15:00] <mrsno> alright ThusLex , well try the guide again, maybe try fat32 instead of fat16 and lets see how that goes for you
[15:00] <Dragonath> try typing the program's name in a terminal, too
[15:00] <ThusLex> ok
[15:01] <ThusLex> ill try again
[15:01] <ThusLex> brb
[15:01] <mrsno> me too
[15:01] <Dragonath> BluesKaj: installed the manager, system settings says it is enabled
[15:01] <osman47> how do i start them with terminal?
[15:01] <Dragonath> quake3 fails to start
[15:01] <BluesKaj> AFAIK fat16 isn't supported
[15:01] <Dragonath> osman47: alt+f2 and the command
[15:02] <Dragonath> or just open a terminal window
[15:02] <Dragonath> and type the command in there
[15:02] <osman47> i tried but i dont work
[15:02] <BluesKaj> Dragonath, reboot
[15:02] <Dragonath> noo, my uptime!
[15:02] <Dragonath> ok, thanks, will do
[15:02] <BluesKaj> relogin then
[15:02] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: what doesn't support fat16?
[15:03] <BluesKaj> reading and writing from ext3 , jhutchins
[15:04] <BluesKaj> <---could be wrong , was sure I read that somewhere :)
[15:04] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: You mean transferring files between the two?
[15:06] <Dragonath> hmm, quake3 still refuses to work
[15:07] <BluesKaj> jhutchins, yes
[15:07] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: k, that's a myth.  All that's required is that the kernel support both filesystems for r/w, and Linux not only supports fat16 it supports fat12.
[15:08] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: A lot of USB sticks are fat 16
[15:08] <Dragonath> same error
[15:08] <jhutchins> Dragonath: Trying to get it to work under wine?
[15:10] <BluesKaj> IC jhutchins, ok , I withdraw my statement !
[15:11] <Dragonath> no
[15:11] <Dragonath> I installed the linux version
[15:11] <BluesKaj> he needs DRI and 3D enabled
[15:11] <Dragonath> and copied the pak files
[15:11] <Dragonath> it actually worked, but then some update flicked a bad switch :)
[15:12] <Dragonath> maybe something in xorg.conf?
[15:12] <BluesKaj> ahh ok, that happened to me too, that damn notifier doesn't tell you when it's about to change your xorg file
[15:13] <Dragonath> what lines should I search for?
[15:13] <BluesKaj> Dragonath, post your xorg file in pastebin so we can have a look-see
[15:15] <jembouge> hi every one?
[15:15] <jembouge> I just installed kubntu and got a problem
[15:15] <Dragonath> mm, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/46100/
[15:15] <jembouge> is anyone here?
[15:15] <Dragonath> what problem?
[15:15] <stdin> !ask
[15:16] <agm_> what is username and password for live cd
[15:16] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[15:16] <jembouge> well, I boot and everything is okay
[15:16] <stdin> agm_: there isn't a password, username us "ubuntu"
[15:16] <agm_> ok thanks
[15:16] <jembouge> however, the login screen looks awful
[15:16] <jembouge> the text like "login" and "password" are all oversized
[15:17] <jembouge> so I don't know where to click or write the password
[15:17] <youness> sudu -s
[15:17] <youness> sudo -s
[15:17] <jembouge> yeah, actually I can't see what's written
[15:17] <jembouge> so I'm guessing there's something
[15:17] <stdin> youness: ?
[15:18] <jembouge> so anyone knows how to redefine the size of the text at the login screen?
[15:19] <jembouge> so it doesn't appear huge, but normal size say about 16px
[15:20] <jembouge> Dragonath?
[15:21] <Dragonath> ehh I am too new to linux to know that
[15:21] <Dragonath> but try ctrl alt + or -
[15:21] <jembouge> ok I will next reboot
[15:21] <youness> thasnot work on liux
[15:21] <Dragonath> it's for zooming the screen
[15:21] <Dragonath> but I don't know if it will help
[15:22] <jembouge> ok thanks
[15:22] <Dragonath> however
[15:22] <Dragonath> if you just write your password and hit enter you should be okay
[15:22] <Dragonath> since it usually starts there
[15:22] <jembouge> yes, that's what I guessed and did :)
[15:22] <BluesKaj> Dragonath, ' fglrxinfo ' in the terminal
[15:22] <jembouge> but that still is a problem
[15:23] <jembouge> I can't show that to anyone and advertise linux at the same time, that's not good :D
[15:23] <youness> are you admin in your system
[15:24] <Dragonath> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/46101/
[15:25] <jembouge> youness, talking to whom?
[15:30] <martalli> I noticed something odd...I had an update today for my personal computer here at the office - upgrading OOo to 2.3.01-1ubuntu5.3, but when I ran apt-get dist upgrade on the other computers, they had no updates, even though they are on 1ubuntu5 still.
[15:31] <martalli> Are big updates like that (lots of downloading) rolled out over a day or so, maybe depending on some character of the system?
[15:31] <martalli> All of the computers have backports enabled in sources.list
[15:32] <martalli> I have been updating with the CLI through ssh, but in any case the other computers aren't showing the adept icon in tyhe panel, as they would if updates were available
[15:33] <youness> you config smb samba
[15:33] <stdin> martalli: the update is in gutsy-proposed
[15:35] <ThusLex1> meh, so now on the boot window it says "initrd.gz" when i choose to start ubuntu in the persistant mode....
[15:35] <ThusLex1> anyone know how to fix it?
[15:36] <matt-x11> How do I get my networking daemon / service (DHCP eth0) to start on boot? Whats the program called witrh an ncurses interface for editing debian daemons?
[15:36] <matt-x11> ie what services get started at boort
[15:38] <matt-x11> at the mo i have to do a '/etc/init.d/networking restart' to get connected
[15:38] <stdin> matt-x11: not sure what that is, haven't used it in a while. but the network config file is /etc/network/interfaces  it should have "auto eth0" if you want it so set that device up at boot
[15:38] <BluesKaj> Dragonath, you may have to uninstall the old driver , then reconfigure the Xorg file to the generic vesa driver. Then renable the restricted driver after doing so....that's what I had to do to get 3D and DRI . In order to get rid of the old driver:Launch the Terminal Application/Window and navigate to the /usr/share/ati folder. Enter the command : sudo sh ./fglrx-uninstall.sh
[15:38] <matt-x11> stdin: it does say that, but still no networking at boot
[15:39] <matt-x11> AS I say, I have to run '/etc/init.d/networking restart' to get connected
[15:40] <Dragonath> and then just reinstall all from adept?
[15:40] <stdin> matt-x11: there is a GUI to configure the services, in system settings > advanced > system services
[15:40] <stdin> matt-x11: as a last resort you could add the command to /etc/rc.local, but that's not a nice workaround
[15:40] <BluesKaj> Dragonath, then in the terminal , sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[15:42] <BluesKaj> Dragonath, choose the vesa driver and reboot , then enable the restricted driver
[15:44] <matt-x11> stdin: I'm actually running xubuntu here, ands thew GNOME/GTK gui services manager doesn't even list a networking or DHCP service as an option. I wish i could remember the ncurses app i've used in the past for this
[15:44] <matt-x11> i think its on of the debian tools
[15:44] <stdin> matt-x11: I have too, just haven't needed to use it for ages so forgot about it... sure someone in #debian would know
[15:46] <angelo> s
[15:46] <qolo> how come I dont have the 'source' command anymore, how do I reload changes ( say to /etc/enviornment ) w/o rebooting ?
[15:47] <stdin> qolo: source is builtin to bash
[15:47] <stdin> bash and sh
[15:47] <angelo> who have any experience with mobility framework?
[15:48] <stdin> qolo: and a simple logout/in would work too
[15:48] <matt-x11> rcconf!
[15:48] <matt-x11> thats the tool i needed!
[15:48] <stdin> heh
[15:48] <mot_> sooo here's what happens in this video. check it (since it was removed from youtube and i can't find it)
[15:48] <mot_> wtf
[15:49] <mot_> http://phonephailure.ytmnd.com/
[15:49] <jhutchins> stdin: Um, don't we use dash?
[15:49] <stdin> jhutchins: /bin/sh = /bin/dash
[15:50] <matt-x11> hmmm, why doesn'y rcconf list anything like 'network' , 'dhcp' or 'eth0' as an option??
[15:50] <matt-x11> I'm running Feisty on PPC
[15:50] <matt-x11> how do i 'add' sevices to ubuntu?
[15:51] <methods> in gutsy can i use security as well as gutsy-security ?
[15:51] <stdin> matt-x11: do you have /etc/rcS.d/S40networking ?
[15:51] <stdin> methods: there is only gutsy-security
[15:52] <methods> so how do i get libgd2-dev then /
[15:53] <matt-x11> stdin: I do. Its just a link to /etc/init.d/networking
[15:53] <stdin> methods: try libgd-dev
[15:53] <stdin> matt-x11: then it is starting at boot, just before going into runlevel 2
[15:54] <stdin> well, not "just" before...
[15:54] <matt-x11> stdin: but te thing is that it doesn't start at boot which is why i'm here
[15:54] <stdin> matt-x11: does eth0 have an IP before you restart networking?
[15:55] <stdin> any IP
[15:55] <matt-x11> Maybe adding that commands to rc.local is my best bet after all?
[15:55] <stdin> it may be that for some reason it's just not working until too late in the boot process, so the 1st attempt to start networking fails
[15:55] <matt-x11> stdin: I'll have to check but i think it may
[15:56] <osman47> how can one sniff icq passwords is it possible with wireshark?
[15:56] <stdin> matt-x11: if it has an IP (but not the one you expect) that it's not getting a DHCP reply, but it is starting at boot
[15:56] <matt-x11> osman47: bit OT that
[15:56] <stdin> that will not be answered
[15:56] <osman47> OT?
[15:56] <stdin> !ot | osman47
[15:57] <osman47> !ot
[15:57] <ubotu> osman47: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[15:57] <stdin> !piracy
[15:57] <ubotu> piracy discussion and other questionably legal practices are not welcome in the Ubuntu channels. Please take this discussion elsewhere or abstain from it altogether. This includes linking to pirated software, music and video. Also see !guidelines and !o4o
[15:57] <osman47> what is !ot?
[15:57] <stdin> read what ubotu says
[15:57] <matt-x11> ot = off topic
[15:58] <osman47> okay okay
[15:58] <hig> Hey
[15:59] <hig> kak na Rashin pereiti&
[15:59] <matt-x11> stdin: so how would you try to fix this without just adding a networking restart to rc.local?
[15:59] <qolo> stdin I dont have 'source'
[15:59] <hig> mama
[15:59] <stdin> matt-x11: delay the network starting (by renaming the symlink) or put another symlink in /etc/rc2.d I guess
[16:00] <janci> hi
[16:00] <stdin> qolo: what happens when you try?
[16:00] <matt-x11> stdin: What would be a good name iew wherein the boot process is it most likely to work?
[16:01] <stdin> matt-x11: easy way is to just copy the link from /etc/rcS.d/ to /etc/rc2.d/
[16:02] <matt-x11> Thanks stdin! I'll try that now!
[16:02] <ThusLex> stdin?
[16:02] <stdin> yes ThusLex
[16:02] <ThusLex> when i load linux off my usb key, at the boot screen when i choose to boot it in the persistant mode, a popup comes up saying initrd.gz and closes...
[16:03] <ThusLex> how do i fix this?
[16:03] <qolo> it says 'source' not found, nothing in apt repo's
[16:03] <stdin> ThusLex: I've never tried to boot from a usb stick so I don't know
[16:03] <stdin> qolo: and what does "echo $SHELL" say  ?
[16:06] <qolo> ./bin/bash
[16:06] <stdin> qolo: and what command are you trying to run?
[16:07] <qolo> source /etc/aliases
[16:07] <stdin> qolo: try just   ". /etc/aliases"              that is just replace the word "source" with "."
[16:08] <jhutchins> qolo: Are you trying to apply the aliases in /etc/aliases?
[16:09] <jhutchins> qolo: Generally, /etc/aliases is a list of aliases for email delivery on your system.
[16:09] <qolo> doh
[16:09] <qolo> yes, im trying to map cdx to 'cd /my/dir
[16:10] <qolo> where do i put aliases like that
[16:10] <jhutchins> Ok, in bash that would be done by .bashrc
[16:10] <stdin> just add "alias cdx='cd /my/dir'" to your ~/.bashrc
[16:10] <stdin> and type in "alias cdx='cd /my/dir'" to you shell if you don't want to have to resource it
[16:10] <jhutchins> qolo: You can just issue the command alias cdx='cd /my/dir', or as stdin says add it to .bashrc.
[16:11] <jhutchins> you do know that just cd or cd ~ will take you to your home directory, and cd - will take you to the previous directory?
[16:11] <qolo> cool thanks!
[16:11] <qolo> jhutchins: yes thx :)
[16:11] <hydrogen> not to mention pushd and popd
[16:12] <stdin> $CDPATH is good too
[16:12] <TimS> Are there any alternatives to bryce in the 4D graphics area?
[16:15] <osman47> where do the mf programms go when i installed them with adept manager
[16:15] <osman47> i installed a programm to crypt my passwords that they are sure but i cant find it!
[16:16] <bbm4n> guys where can i ask about a network problem in ubuntu?
[16:16] <bbm4n> what channel?
[16:16] <torch> where do the mf programms go when i installed them with adept manager
[16:16] <stdin> torch:  open adept, click on the package, click details and click on the "Installed Files" tab
[16:16] <torch> i installed a programm to crypt my passwords that they are sure but i cant find it!
[16:16] <stdin> !repeat | torch
[16:16] <ubotu> torch: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com  http://wiki.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntuforums.org or http://www.kubuntuforums.net while you wait. Also see !patience
[16:16] <docuslap> hola
[16:16] <blendtux> i am looking for a good mindmapping tool any idea's
[16:16] <docuslap> problemas con el mldonkey
[16:16] <stdin> !es
[16:16] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[16:17] <torch> theinks
[16:17] <docuslap> ok thanks for the information
[16:19] <bbm4n> anyways i'll just ask here. does ubuntu ships with a firewall or something?
[16:19] <stdin> !firewall
[16:19] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[16:20] <bbm4n> thanks :D
[16:24] <ThusLex> anyone know about usb keys and ubuntu 7.10?
[16:26] <DaSkreech> bbm4n: Linux ships with a firewall
  ok i read the page but i cannot understand something
[16:27] <mrsno> ThusLex something must have went wrong with the steps
  how for example firefox connects normally if i haven't configured the build in firewall to open port 80?
[16:28] <mandrake> ciao
[16:28] <mandrake> come posso mettere il kde4 su kubuntu 7.10?
[16:28] <DaSkreech> bbm4n: It ships with a firewall. Doesn't mean it's turned on :)
  ohhhhhhh o_O
[16:29] <mrsno> ThusLex you could also check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent , which has a similar method
[16:29] <DaSkreech> bbm4n: it's shipped with a pretty free set of rules. distros don't normally play with it unless of course that's the point of teh Distro
[16:30] <DaSkreech> bbm4n: it's pretty granualr and involved not something you want the average citizen to play with.
[16:30] <ffwithf> buona sera
[16:30] <DaSkreech> very very powerful though
[16:30] <DaSkreech> bbm4n: http://www.ex-parrot.com/~pete/upside-down-ternet.html
[16:30] <stdin> !es | mandrake
[16:30] <ubotu> mandrake: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[16:31] <stdin> bah
[16:31] <stdin> !it
[16:31] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[16:31] <mandrake> sorry
  hehehheheh XD
[16:31] <ffwithf> good evening
[16:31] <DaSkreech> bbm4n: wonderful tool :)
[16:32] <DaSkreech> !hi | ffwithf
[16:32] <ubotu> ffwithf: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
 but i still dont get why i try to use nc for example, all the ports appear closed
  and i get something like connection refused
  like i do "sudo nc localhost 1111"
  and i get ".... :Connection refused"
[16:36] <jhutchins> what's nc s'posed to be?
[16:36] <stdin> bbm4n: that's probably because you don't have anything listening to port 1111 on your localhost
[16:36] <stdin> nc - TCP/IP swiss army knife
[16:36] <stdin> aka: netcat
[16:37] <DaSkreech> What's running on 1111 ?
[16:37] <jhutchins> Ah.
[16:37] <jhutchins> netcat I know.
[16:37] <bbm4n> nothing !
[16:37] <bbm4n> thats my problem!
[16:37] <stdin> what do you want to run on 1111 ?
[16:37] <jhutchins> bbm4n: Youhave to have something listening on 1111 in order to connect to it.
[16:37] <bbm4n> i want to do a file transfer and i am too bored to install sshd
[16:37] <bbm4n> XD
  i have done on a separate console "nc -l localhost"
[16:38] <stdin> bbm4n: well, for starters. there's a file sharing applet that you can put on kicker. and 2nd) you have to be root to open any port below 1024
[16:39] <jhutchins> stdin: 1111 is above 1024...
[16:39] <jhutchins> bbm4n: Perhaps you need to tell nc what port to listen on.
[16:40] <stdin> jhutchins: I'm pretty sure netcat doesn't listen to 1111, something lower
[16:41] <stdin> nope, I'm wrong  :p
[16:41] <stdin> netcat will listen to a random port
[16:42] <bbm4n> ok ok i fixed it!!!
[16:43] <bbm4n> wait to understand what i changed
[16:44] <bbm4n> looooooooool
[16:44] <bbm4n> i didn;t sudo while opening the port and i thought it was opened - i didn't got any warnings
[16:45] <bbm4n> and i was trying to connect on a port not-open
[16:45] <bbm4n> XD
[16:45] <bbm4n> loool it happens to me all the time
[16:45] <bbm4n> the forget to sudo problem
[16:46] <bbm4n> its like a remnant from my windows days :D
[16:46] <bbm4n> thanks guys :D
[16:50] <auctmore> on my kubuntu 7.10 ltsp 5.x installation only the master user from the kubuntu installation can login from a terminal.
[16:51] <ThusLex> anyone here with usb key and gutsy knowledge?
[16:54] <NickNak> ThusLex: what's the problem?
[16:54] <ThusLex> well i have been looking at this tutorial: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/09/28/usb-ubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbon-install
[16:55] <ThusLex> but all that happens is one the boot screen, it freezes
[16:55] <ThusLex> then I tried to change the partition thing from FAT16 to FAT32, how when i choose the persistant mode, a popup comes up saying initrd.gz and closes
[16:55] <ThusLex> i dont know what to do...
[16:56] <Dr_willis> im suprised someone hasent made a ububntu to usbpendrive tool yet. Or just made some sort of image you can copy to a usb drive.
[16:56] <Dr_willis> I donteven have a usb pen drive any more.. :( lost it.
[16:56] <genii> Dr_willis: There is
[16:56] <ThusLex> yeah, someone should
[16:56] <ThusLex> cos i can never get it to work :(
[16:56] <ThusLex> there is what genii?
[16:57] <Dr_willis> actually i do have a little 2.2 gb external mini-hd type usb drive. :)
[16:57] <genii> ThusLex: There is a usb sick/pendrive .img file in the repos
[16:57] <Dr_willis> wonder where it went. It has DSL on it
[16:57] <genii> *tick/pen
[16:57] <genii> bah typos
[16:57] <ThusLex> in the repos?
[16:58] <mrsno> ThusLex what happens when you follow the ubuntu documentation , on the link i pasted?
[16:59] <ThusLex> tell me the linik again...
[16:59] <ThusLex> i only followed this one: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/09/28/usb-ubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbon-install
[17:00] <Vermux> what is /dev/null ?
[17:00] <auctmore> is anyone here using ltsp 5.x on kubuntu 7.10 ?
[17:00] <mrsno> !persistant
[17:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about persistant - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:00] <mrsno> !usb
[17:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about usb - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:00] <Dr_willis> a device that you can copy to and everything that goes to it.. is gone. :)
[17:00] <mrsno> hmm, sec
[17:01] <mrsno> ThusLex https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[17:01] <ThusLex> wow
[17:01] <ThusLex> that is a lot of reading
[17:01] <Vermux> what is /dev/null ?
[17:02] <mandrake> hi
[17:02] <mandrake> can i have the italy chan again?
[17:02] <DaSkreech> !it
[17:02] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese.  Grazie!
[17:03] <Vermux> DaSkreech: what do u mean?
[17:03] <DaSkreech> Vermux: You asked waht is /dev/null ?
[17:03] <genii> ThusLex: I previously used this way for 7.04 , should work equally as good with 7.10, just get the 7.10 .img file and so on https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/installation-guide/i386/boot-usb-files.html
[17:04] <senorpedro> does the new nvidia driver work now?
[17:04] <Vermux> DaSkreech: what do u mean black hole in this context?
[17:05] <jhutchins> !info orts2
[17:05] <ubotu> Package orts2 does not exist in gutsy
[17:05] <DaSkreech> Vermux: It's a black hole. Anythign put into /dev/null is never seen on this side of the event horizon
[17:05] <jhutchins> !find orts
[17:05] <ubotu> Found: linux-backports-modules, linux-backports-modules-2.6.22-14-386, linux-backports-modules-2.6.22-14-generic, linux-backports-modules-2.6.22-14-server, linux-backports-modules-386 (and 16 others)
[17:05] <DaSkreech> It's just gone
[17:05] <Vermux> DaSkreech: is it a trash file?
[17:05] <jhutchins> you can also copy /dev/nul to various things.
[17:06] <jhutchins> Vermux: in unix systems, everythign can be delt with as a file.  /dev/nul is literally null.  It's nothing.
[17:06] <DaSkreech> Vermux: You can use it as such if you like
[17:06] <jhutchins> Vermux: If you copy something to it, that something is nowhere == gone.
[17:06] <jhutchins> Vermux: If you copy it to something, that something becomes full of nothing.
[17:07] <jhutchins> Vermux: If you pipe it to something, that something will become empty.
[17:07] <Vermux> jhutchins: Thanks. do u have an example why would u use it?
[17:08] <DaSkreech> Vermux: all of the above
[17:08] <jhutchins> dd if=/dev/nul of=/some/file bs=512 count=10 Gives you a ten block file of nulls (00).
[17:08] <auctmore> Vermux: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_sink gives a full description
[17:08] <DaSkreech> When you need something to be nothing
[17:09] <Dr_willis> runsomecommandthatspitsoutlotsofoutput > /dev/null
[17:09] <Dr_willis> kills off the output.
[17:09] <jhutchins> I use it in script files when I don't want the output of a command to clutter the system up somewhere <command> > /dev/nul
[17:10] <Dr_willis> dd if=/dev/nul  of=/dev/hda  ------> will whipe out the hard drive also. :)
[17:10] <Dr_willis> dd if=/dev/urandom  of=/dev/hda  ------> will whipe out the hard drive also. :)
[17:10] <jhutchins> Some poor guy - might have been here, yesterday - was told to do "rm -rf /" and did.
[17:11] <medhat> hi
[17:11] <Vermux> jhutchins: who told him to do that?
[17:11] <stdin> try not to post those commands, even in a warning. someone's bound to try it
[17:11] <medhat> i  have problem
[17:12] <Vermux> Dr_willis: why would u have so much output that u wont need?
[17:12] <jhutchins> Vermux: Someone in another channel, apparently impatient with his newbishness.
[17:12] <Dr_willis> Vermux,  with scripting often you dont need the messages/warnings/whatever.
[17:12] <medhat> i see my hard drives in /media but when i get into it i found nothing
[17:12] <medhat> any one can help me with that
[17:12] <Vermux> Dr_willis: Ic
[17:12] <jhutchins> Vermux: If, for instance, you are running commands that have output as a nightly maintenance job, and you don't need to see the standard output.
[17:13] <DaSkreech> medhat: are they mounted?
[17:13] <Vermux> jhutchins: so why at first place u would want such output to be written. Wont u want output only in case something is wrong?
[17:13] <Dr_willis> then ya got /media and then theres media:/ in konqueror that shows different things.. (or is it just media:)
[17:14] <medhat> they were mounted but today i dont know
[17:14] <Dr_willis> Vermux,  could be the program you are using dosent work that way.
[17:14] <medhat> three is sda5 sda10 like usual
[17:14] <medhat> but empty
[17:14] <medhat> i cant see my data
[17:14] <Dr_willis> sounds to me like theya re not mounted.
[17:15] <ThusLex> mrsno can you send me that link again pleases?
[17:15] <jhutchins> Vermux: let's say you want to copy a list of files using a utility that always lists the files as it copies them.  You want to do it as a backup every night, and all you need to know is if it succeeded, not the whole list of files.
[17:15] <ThusLex> im now on linux so i can start
[17:15] <Dr_willis> medhat,   check in  media:/  see if the drives shiow up there.
[17:15] <Vermux> jhutchins: ok
[17:15] <jhutchins> Vermux: If you just do filcopier > /dev/nul, then only error messages will attempt to display.  Since there's no display, they'll go to email to you.
[17:15] <ThusLex> mrsno??
[17:16] <medhat> i dont know but while iam loggin in linux chck my drives and found errors in sda1 which windows system drive it hangs then i press ALt +ctrl +delet
[17:16] <medhat> and it log in
[17:16] <jhutchins> Vermux: Otherwise, you'd get the list of files, pluss any error messages lost in the email.
[17:16] <medhat> there is drives but empty drives
[17:16] <Vermux> jhutchins: ic
[17:16] <jhutchins> Vermux: Most software that is commonly used for maintenance eventually evolves a 'quiet' switch, but until it does, you can do that.
[17:17] <Dr_willis> medhat,  Hmm. these are windows drives that you are truing to access?
[17:17] <Vermux> jhutchins: do u mean that quite switch do the same thing, but it is part of the program?
[17:17] <medhat> all the drives are empty but linux system drive
[17:18] <genii> That didn't answer the q
[17:18] <medhat> yes some of them windows and there was ext3 too and its the same with it
[17:19] <mteren> hello
[17:19] <jhutchins> Vermux: Yes.
[17:19] <jhutchins> Vermux: Here's a three-line program that runs every night on my mail server:
[17:19] <jhutchins> # /usr/bin/sa-learn --mbox --spam ~/mail/spam > /dev/null 2>&1
[17:19] <jhutchins> /usr/bin/sa-learn --mbox --spam ~/mail/spam
[17:19] <jhutchins> cp -f ~/.spamt ~/mail/spam > /dev/null > /dev/null 2>&1
[17:20] <auctmore> is anyone here using ltsp 5.x on kubuntu 7.10 ?
[17:20] <jhutchins> With the first line commented like that, spamassassin learns from any of the messages in ~/mail/spam, then copies an empty mail folder on top of the file.
[17:20] <DaSkreech> !paste | jhutchins
[17:20] <ubotu> jhutchins: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[17:20] <DaSkreech> :-)
[17:20] <jhutchins> DaSkreech: Three lines, with warning.
[17:21] <medhat> is there any one can tell me how can i stop linux chk drives whil log in
[17:21] <DaSkreech> jhutchins: one warning with tongue in cheek
[17:21] <jhutchins> Vermux: as it stands now, it emails me a report that says something like "spamassassin learned from three messages".
[17:21] <jhutchins> Vermux: If I un-comment the first line, I don't get a report.
[17:21] <medhat> its chk drives every start and it taks so long times though it found many errors in windows system drive
[17:21] <jhutchins> Vermux: (... and comment the second).
[17:22] <mrsno> ThusLex https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent :)
[17:22] <Vermux> jhutchins: what is 2>&1
[17:22] <jhutchins> Vermux: For users who don't want a daily report, everythign goes to /dev/nul, but I want the report to make sure it's running.
[17:23] <jhutchins> Vermux: you have two output channels from a console program: stdout and stderr.  stdout is informational messages, stderr is error messages (these are determined by the programmer).
[17:24] <stdin> 2>&1 = stderr goes to the same channel as stdout
[17:24] <ThusLex> well mrsno i have another problem
[17:24]  * stdin knows about this stuff ;)
[17:24] <ThusLex> it says this
[17:24] <jhutchins> just plain '>' redirects stdout, but not stderr.  2> redirects stderr.  2>&1 says "combine stderr and stdout and redirect it.
[17:24] <ThusLex> make sure (via fdisk -l) you created a w95/fat and not a linux partition,
[17:24] <ThusLex> does tht mean at least 1 partition has to be FAT?
[17:24] <mrsno> ThusLex your question sparked some interest, so im following the ubuntu guide myself now
[17:25] <ThusLex> cos i have partition 1 set as FAT16 and partition 2 set as Linux
[17:25] <ThusLex> is that ok?
[17:25] <jhutchins> Vermux: loads more at http://tldp.org
[17:25] <jhutchins> Vermux: I'm gonna go be a plumber for a day.
[17:25] <Vermux> jhutchins: redirect it into file &1?
[17:25] <mrsno> its the other way around ThusLex , partition 1 being fat32 , partition 2 being fat16
[17:25] <stdin> Vermux: &1 means channel 1, stdout
[17:25] <jhutchins> Vermux: 2>&1 says "combine to same output as 1 (stdout)".
[17:25] <ThusLex> the windows 95 fat 32 right?
[17:25] <jhutchins> Vermux: which is usually already redirected in most uses.
[17:26] <genii> ThusLex: syslinux needs a fat16 or fat12 or such
[17:26] <mrsno> ThusLex the guide isn't really specific, maybe try sudo gparted to do the partitioning stage, after choosing the usb pen
[17:26] <genii> syslinux doesn't like fat32
[17:26] <mrsno> older syslinux doesn't like fat32, but thats why the guide mentions using fat16 for the 2nd partition
[17:27] <ThusLex> gparted?
[17:27] <ThusLex> never tried that
[17:28] <mrsno> gparted is a gui for parted, instead of using fdisk
[17:28] <Dr_willis> Gparted live cd is a must have for a PC toolbox. :)
[17:29] <sdlnxgk> when running firefox after a firefox auto upgrade I get this error message Segmentation fault (core dumped) then firefox quits... HELP !!!
[17:29] <Vermux> jhutchins: thanks
[17:29] <ThusLex> wow
[17:29] <ThusLex> a gui version
[17:29] <ThusLex> thats better :D
[17:29] <Dr_willis> firefox auto upgrade? what ya mean Auto Upgrade?
[17:30] <sdlnxgk> Dr_willis, I mean I set  firefox to update without asking
[17:30] <ThusLex> erm, which one does the 750MB go into ?
[17:30] <ThusLex> the Free Space Preceding, New Size, Free Space Following?
[17:30] <sdlnxgk> so it just popped up a windows and upgraded then restarted firefox and BAM now I have a problem
[17:30] <Dr_willis> forefox downloaded and upgrade its self? i thought that was disabled for  the ubuntu firefox.
[17:31] <ThusLex> mrsno?
[17:31] <sdlnxgk> Dr_willis, has been working great for me till now
[17:31] <Dr_willis> sdlnxgk,  makes me wionder what it actually upgraded. since a user dosent have rights to  write to the system files.
[17:31] <Dr_willis> try a different user see if it affexts them also.
[17:31] <sdlnxgk> hmmmm let me try that :)
[17:32] <Dr_willis> unless of course your user some how installed a version of firefox just for theirselfs.
[17:33] <sdlnxgk> I did
[17:33] <sdlnxgk> opps
[17:33] <ThusLex> meh mrsno????
[17:33] <sdlnxgk> I did the 'apt-get install firefox' and after that worked great
[17:35] <sdlnxgk> I thought about just deleting the .mozilla folder and let it make a new one and see if that works and backing up the old one of course ;)
[17:36] <Dr_willis> sdlnxgk,  that was my next suggestion
[17:36] <mrsno> ThusLex for the first partition, type in 750 for "following" , and that will create partition 1 , then leave space for partition 2
[17:36] <sdlnxgk> Dr_willis, I just clicked on the desktop icon for firefox and it said can't find mozilla-firefox but tried to load it wierd stuff here
[17:37] <mrsno> ThusLex be very careful as partitioning mistakes can cause all sorts of unbootable problems, be 100% sure of what you are doing
[17:37] <Dr_willis> firefox ran as a user should not be 'auto updating' the firefox thats isntalled on the system.   - Im thinking you are doing some weird things.. heh heh..
[17:37] <Dr_willis> sdlnxgk,  i would say move the .firefox dir. and try running firefox from the terminal.
[17:37] <Darkrift411> question: I have a game where alt + right click does something, but linux is overriding it by trying to move the window when i do this. How can i disable the alt + click in linux so that it gets passed to my game?
[17:37] <Dr_willis> or is it .mozilla  i never can rember
[17:37] <ThusLex> anyone know how to use gparted?
[17:38] <sdlnxgk> Dr_willis,  doing that as we speak ..
[17:38] <Dr_willis> Darkrift411,  ive seen that asked onece or twice befor.. I always just log into with a different window manager that dosent have that feature. :)
[17:38] <medhat> hi
[17:38] <Darkrift411> ouch
[17:38] <Darkrift411> might be easier to edit the game source to use a diff key :)(
[17:38] <Darkrift411> :( *
[17:40] <Dr_willis> There may be a kde etting to disable it.  but ive never noticed. I cant rember any game that used alt-rightclick
[17:40] <Dr_willis> alt-left click - i thought moved a window.
[17:40] <Dr_willis> I though that got ignored if the window was fullscreened/maxamized also
[17:41] <sdlnxgk> Dr_willis,  hmmmmm I renamed .mozilla to .mozilla.bak and it created a new one and seems to be working now
[17:41] <Darkrift411> its world of warcraft
[17:41] <Dr_willis> Darkrift411,  I aint touching this then.. :) lol.
[17:41] <Darkrift411> and when i use alt-right click, it messes up the game sizing badly, and sometimes moves the window
[17:42] <Darkrift411> its ok, im editing the user interface to make it look for ctrl alt (hope this will act diff)
[17:42] <Dr_willis> Its WoW in wine..  :) heh...
[17:42] <Darkrift411> yeah
[17:42] <Dr_willis> there may be a kde setting to disable it.. ibe just never seen it.  #kde may know exactly where its at.
[17:42] <Darkrift411> wine rocks too
[17:42] <Dr_willis> when i last tried big games in wine. i always used a very veyr light widnow manager like icewm, or so forth that had minimal features.
[17:43] <Dr_willis> of course now a days i dont even bother with wine
[17:43] <Dr_willis> :P
[17:43] <Dr_willis> i wonder if Lord Of The Rings Online works with wine
[17:43] <Darkrift411> I added an "and (IsControlKeyDown())" to the code, adn ill test it now :_)
[17:43] <Darkrift411> wine rocks, so probably
[17:44] <Dr_willis> But im playing BioShock and Crysis at the moment.. so... those may push it a little hard.
[17:44] <Dr_willis> well bbl
[17:44] <sdlnxgk> Dr_willis,  never played games with just wine I have been using Cedega for about year now with no problelms
[17:44] <sdlnxgk> Dr_willis, thanks for the help
[17:45] <sdlnxgk> I'm out too gotta fix that MC now we got the browser all fixed and I can look up parts
[17:48] <ThusLex> lol
[17:48] <ThusLex> ok  i now have another problem
[17:48] <ThusLex> mrsno ????
[17:48] <ThusLex> i kinda need your help now
[17:49] <anto_> guys
[17:50] <nosrednaekim> ThusLex: whats the problem?
[17:50] <anto_> when i try and activate my wireless internet it says the default gateway is not valid
[17:50] <virnik> hi there
[17:50] <virnik> i have installed kubuntu gutsy on my friends computer
[17:50] <virnik> but she got really crappy graphic card
[17:50] <virnik> after last upgrade
[17:50] <virnik> something have installed
[17:50] <anto_> virnik: You got a nvidia card?
[17:51] <virnik> and now, her system is really slow, all 3D effect, blur and so is active
[17:51] <virnik> i have switched all shadows and animations off
[17:51] <genii> anto_: It's because at the time you go to set the gateway as wlan0 or so, it is not yet connected and so gets put as <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:51] <ThusLex> nosrednaekim im on this tutorial: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[17:51] <virnik> but it is like this still
[17:51] <ThusLex> two things
[17:51] <ThusLex> Download the Ubuntu image (for example, ubuntu-7.10-desktop-i386.iso) or put in the install CD if you have it. If you use the downloaded image you can access it as follows (supposing that the image is in the cuurent directory):
[17:51] <virnik> can somebody tell me, which package shall I uninstall, to switch it off?
[17:51] <anto_> genii: how do i set it then ?
[17:51] <ThusLex> i dont fancy downloading it again
[17:51] <ThusLex> and i have it on a cd but im using the cd to do what it tells me....
[17:52] <Darkrift411> Anyone here know how to change KDE's key combo functions (namely alt+mouse click to move/resize windows) ??
[17:52] <BluesKaj> virnik, which graphics card ?
[17:52] <nosrednaekim> ThusLex: ok...
[17:52] <anto_> virnik: maybe you started compiz?
[17:52] <genii> anto_: If you know the network number eg: something like 192.168.0.X or 192.168.2.x or so on, put there as the gateway the same 3 first numbers as the ip the wireless receives and last number of 1
[17:52] <ThusLex> well are there anyother ways to do it?
[17:53] <anto_> genii: <IP_ADDRESS> is the number to my router
[17:53] <ThusLex> suppose i could use window for it
[17:53] <ThusLex> nevermind
[17:53] <nosrednaekim> ThusLex: you can just cpoy the iso on the CD to your disc.
[17:53] <genii> anto_: Alternately, set another adapter momentarily as the route, enable the wireless, then go back into the configuration and there should be now a viable number for route there (usually)
[17:54] <genii> anto_: If the router IP is known, use that
[17:54] <virnik> BluesKaj: ati radeon 7k
[17:54] <virnik> anto_: no...sure not
[17:55] <ThusLex> nosrednaekim: im using a CD with the contects of the .iso in it
[17:55] <virnik> anto_: I am running compiz or beryl on every my station, even on notebook. but her pc is really weak, so i didnt installed such thing
[17:55] <ThusLex> can i get them off the cd while im using linux from the cd?
[17:55] <anto_> genii: i'm trying to set the router ip to <IP_ADDRESS> but it keeps saying invalid gate way
[17:55] <anto_> virnik: try and run kpersonlizer and the turn down the effects
[17:56] <ThusLex> ?
[17:56] <nosrednaekim> ThusLex: you should probably just do it from windows..
[17:56] <BluesKaj> virnik , system settings/advanced/resticted drivers/admin mode/enable..relogin
[17:56] <genii> anto_: x.x.x.26 is not normally a gateway number
[17:56] <ThusLex> ok
[17:56] <ThusLex> brb
[17:56] <anto_> genii: it it possible to override then?
[17:57] <genii> anto_: Almost always it is x.x.x.1    however, you may have manually set the router or such to be x.x.x.26, i do not know. If so then likely the ip numbers it is handing out have an improper range /subnet mask to be using x.x.x.26 as a gateway IP
[17:58] <genii> anto_: In this case I would recommend to go administer your router to be another IP which ends in .1 and a mask of <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:59] <genii> (for the dhcp clients)
[18:01] <anto_> genii: i got it save the configuration runing with <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:01] <anto_> genii: but when i try and access google it still does not work
[18:02] <Barbarello> Hi! Cant get internet access via ppp ( I'd refresh connect configuration via pppoeconf, but nothing changes. The Ifconfig shows that eth0 interface is enabled and i see my own ip-address. But Conqueror and Kopete isnt working ( Ping cant get any url ( What can be wrong?
[18:03] <ThusLex> nosrednaekim: im on window vista now but when i put my usb key in it only shows partition one...
[18:03] <ThusLex> the ubuntu partition
[18:03] <ThusLex> it doesnt show the casper-rw partition
[18:03] <nosrednaekim> Barbarello: try pinging "<IP_ADDRESS>"
[18:03] <Darkrift411> Anyone here know how to change KDE's key combo functions (namely alt+mouse click to move/resize windows) ??
[18:04] <nosrednaekim> Darkrift411: maybe try #kde
[18:04] <Darkrift411> hrmmm, good idea
[18:04] <ThusLex> noserednaekim?
[18:05] <nosrednaekim> ThusLex: erm...
[18:05] <ThusLex> or dont i put anything in the casper-rw?
[18:06] <virnik> anto_: thx. your help worked.
[18:06] <anto_> virnik: No problems mate i did the same thing a while ago
[18:06] <nosrednaekim> ThusLex: I think you copy the whole CD to casper-rw
[18:06] <Barbarello> nosrednaekim: what an address?  Where the difference?
[18:06] <nosrednaekim> ThusLex: i'm sorry, i've never done it..
[18:07] <ThusLex> ok np
[18:07] <Barbarello> nosrednaekim: Hey, thats google )
[18:07] <nosrednaekim> Barbarello: the difference is in the DNS....go try that ip
[18:07] <nosrednaekim> Barbarello: it came back?
[18:07] <Barbarello> nosrednaekim: no.  pinged via XP.
[18:08] <nosrednaekim> Barbarello: try pinging it with linux, if it goes thrigh,it means you need to add a DNS
[18:08] <Barbarello> nosrednaekim: So,  you're think the dns-server not responsing me? How to add a DNS?
[18:09] <mrsno> brb ,testing pen boot :)
[18:09] <nosrednaekim> Barbarello: I think you don't HAVE a dns.
[18:09] <Barbarello> nosrednaekim: How to get it?
[18:10] <genii> anto_: Try to ping som IP number on the internet. If you can ping one, likely now it is a DNS issue and not a route/gateway issue
[18:10] <nosrednaekim> Barbarello: well, i'm sure there is a way in kppp, but you can always add one to your /etc/resolv.conf after connecting.
[18:10] <genii> /back
[18:10]  * genii sips
[18:11] <anto_> genii: pinged google 100% package loss
[18:11] <anto_> but if i connect the cable to the laptop the internet works
[18:11] <nosrednaekim> anto_: ping "<IP_ADDRESS>"
[18:11] <TimS> How can I find the IP of a website out?
[18:12] <anto_> nosrednaekim:  100% package loss
[18:12] <Barbarello> TimS: ping url
[18:12] <anto_> but on google it said somthing about "unknown host"
[18:12] <anto_> nosrednaekim: so it must be somthing dns/route wrong then ?
[18:13] <nosrednaekim> anto_: if the IP worked and the url didn't... yes
[18:13] <genii> anto_: Actually, first I would recommend to try:   ping <IP_ADDRESS>            from konsole. It may ping it, or time out, or tell you no route to it, or something informative. If it pings ok and is set as gateway then try after that to ping some ip on the internet at large
[18:14] <anto_> nosrednaekim: when i ping <IP_ADDRESS>/<IP_ADDRESS> i get 100% package loss +1error
[18:14] <anto_> genii: when i ping <IP_ADDRESS>/<IP_ADDRESS> i get 100% package loss +1error
[18:14] <genii> anto_: But I would strongly advise to set the router IP to something other than the odd one it is at now, then there is no oddball messing with netmasks and dhcp ranges etc etc etc
[18:14] <vit____> hola
[18:15] <genii> anto_: See my above comment then
[18:15] <anto_> genii: thats not realy an option
[18:15] <genii> anto_: What ip is the computer getting from the router?
[18:15] <anto_> genii: <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:16] <genii> anto_: If you don't have administrative access to the router it makes me wonder if you are allowed to use it, frankly.
[18:16] <anto_> genii: its school
[18:16] <genii> anto_: any IP which starts 169.254 which comes from dhcp client is fake ip
[18:16] <anto_> they give all studends access to the wireless internet
[18:16] <anto_> maybe i got the wrong wep key?
[18:17] <genii> anto_: Make sure you have correct essid to connect to and of course wep key if it uses that, etc etc
[18:17] <genii> anto_: the man page for iwconfig may be useful to you
[18:17] <StuSel> s
[18:25] <anto_> genii: never under estimate the power of opensource and come cool guys in a irc channel :D:D
[18:26] <Elgerton> Hi all
[18:26]  * Elgerton wves
[18:26]  * Elgerton waves
[18:26] <anto_> -waves back-
[18:27] <genii> anto_: You have it pinging now?
[18:27] <anto_> genii: its working perfectly now
[18:28] <genii> anto_: Great :)
[18:29] <BluesKaj> !cookie | genii
[18:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cookie - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:29] <nosrednaekim> !helpernack | genii
[18:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about helpernack - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:29] <BluesKaj> coffee for genii!
[18:29] <nosrednaekim> !helpersnack | genii
[18:29] <ubotu> genii: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[18:29] <anto_> uhm weird now it stoped working
[18:31]  * genii munches his cookie
[18:31] <needles> for anyone who wants to edit icewm or fluxbox menu's easily, aha, there is menumaker
[18:31] <needles> just thought id share
[18:33] <genii> anto_: Can you ping gateway? Maybe signal is a bit weak where you are, cuts in/out etc
[18:39] <genii> !ping
[18:39] <ubotu> pong
[18:39] <ardchoille> How do you get dolphin to "view hidden files" across sessions? I set it up in the config dialog but it loses that setting when I quit dolphin.
[18:39] <genii> Hmm not ghosted then
[18:45] <Martino> hi
[18:46] <Martino> please tell me how to install cedega im really noob
[18:46] <roberto> sono nuovo dell'irc qualcuno mi dà informazioni?
[18:52] <genii> !cedega
[18:52] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[18:53] <pacman> quick question
[18:53] <pacman> I'm trying to create a document on openoffice, and I want to flip the page sideways
[18:54] <pacman> Isn't there an option for "landscape" somewhere on here?
[18:55]  * stdin waits for ooO to open to check
[18:56] <stdin> pacman: Format -> Page -> Landscape
[18:57] <sha384sum> anyone home today?
[18:58] <sha384sum> Not sure if I have kubuntu problem or OOo problem. Upgraded from 7.04 to 7.10 today and OOo no longer has icons. Just text in the menus and toolbars.
[19:00] <ubuntu__> hello
[19:01] <ubuntu__> i might need a little help here.
[19:02] <ubuntu__> I've been trying to install kubuntu 7.10 to my computer, and the installer does not find any harddrives, so the installation stops in to partition sektion. any ideas?
[19:09] <savetheWorld> wow
[19:13] <TheGateKeeper> ubuntu__ you trying to install this onto a hard disk that has one big ntfs partition?
[19:33] <melkor> I have ffmpeg and I need to add support for m4a, do I need to download the source and rebuild it all?
[19:33] <inteliwasp> Is there a program that can let me see the size of files and directories?
[19:34] <genii> ls
[19:35] <inteliwasp> ... i think i should reword that... i mean sort if like treemap or millionvis
[19:36] <ScorpKing> du -h /dir
[19:36] <emilsedgh> inteliwasp: Konqueror
[19:36] <emilsedgh> inteliwasp: maybe you will like it, take a look
[19:36] <emilsedgh> inteliwasp: go to Konqueror->View Modes->file Size View
[19:38]  * genii hands ScorpKing a coffee
[19:38]  * ScorpKing take a sip..
[19:38] <ScorpKing> ty genii :)
[19:38] <inteliwasp> emilsedgh: thanks, i have been looking for something like this for a long time :)
[19:39] <genii> ScorpKing: anytime
[19:39] <emilsedgh> inteliwasp: Konqueror Rocks! :P
[19:43] <ScorpKing> welcome BluesKaj. ;)
[19:43] <BluesKaj> howdy ScorpKing :)
[19:44] <BluesKaj> gotta work from windows for a bit while decrypting a dvd which doesn't seem to work on K9copy
[19:46] <genii> BluesKaj: I've found generally dvd95 works better
[19:46] <BluesKaj> dvd9? genii
[19:46] <genii> !info dvd95
[19:46] <ubotu> dvd95: DVD9 to DVD5 converter. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2p0-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 253 kB, installed size 564 kB
[19:46] <BluesKaj> thot that was for doublelayered disks
[19:46] <iwizzard> Hi tried to get Nvidia to work in 7.10 using a script i found, i did not. No I only have text input = not good. How do I get GUI back?
[19:47] <ScorpKing> ty genii. i was looking for that.
[19:48] <BluesKaj> thx for the heads up genii..gonna give it a shot
[19:49] <emilsedgh> iwizzard: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[19:51] <ScorpKing> nite guys.
[19:52] <Minataku> DVD9 is dual layer DVD
[19:53] <BluesKaj> Minataku, dvd95 seems to be what genii was talking about
[19:55] <carwash^> Hi, my Xorg is eating a lot of cpu on a gutsy install with a nvidiacard and the nvidia-glx-new. Any ideas why?
[20:08] <BluesKaj> carwash^, what app is monitoring the cpu ?
[20:08] <carwash^> using top
[20:08] <carwash^> but i also notive X being slow. Dragging windows lags for example
[20:10] <BluesKaj> carwash^, try htop ..it lists all ongoing processes
[20:10] <carwash^> htop is basically just top with ncurses
[20:14] <BluesKaj> well maybe but it shows more processes and how much memory or cpu is being used
[20:16] <carwash^> X still eats lots and lots of cpu no matter how i try to measure it
[20:17] <carwash^> it's also noticably slow under use
[20:17] <martalli> stdin: Is there a reason not to use gutsy-proposed?  Is it beta-level software?
[20:17] <martalli> It seems like for the office, I will jst stick with the backports
[20:21] <stdin> martalli: it goes in -proposed before it gets in to -updates
[20:21] <stdin> for testing
[20:22] <carwash^> will i have to remove nvidia-glx-new before i do a manual install of the nvidia drivers?
[20:22]  * bobesponja is away: Gone away for now.
[20:23] <tekteen> carwash^: yes
[20:23] <martalli> I guess I will just let the office staff wait for the magic of OOo <IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu5.3
[20:26] <kalorin> anyone had much luck going from feisty to gusty and letting it do the upgrade
[20:26] <kalorin> I tried several weeks ago and it blew up my machine
[20:26] <kalorin> thinking about trying on this machine at work now
[20:26] <kalorin> wondering if things have gotten any better?
[20:26] <bobfarley> how did you go about the upgrade ?
[20:29] <kalorin> just clicked the little triangle caution thing that said that there were new things
[20:29] <kalorin> and said go ahead ndad do the dist upgrade
[20:29] <kalorin> had some kind of dependency loop and blew up
[20:29] <kalorin> that machine of course had a new nvidia card in it rather than the olde rati one thttttat I had been usin
[20:30] <kalorin> and it might have been graphics drivers that were tough on it I guss
[20:32] <stevie2k> hi @all
[20:32] <Kloeschen> join #cedega
[20:32] <Kloeschen> sorry
[20:32] <tekteen> hey stevie
[20:33] <stevie2k> anyone here who can help me get an nvidia fx5200 to work with glx?
[20:33] <tekteen> does it need glx?
[20:33] <stevie2k> I want to check the 3d desktop things...
[20:33] <stevie2k> compiz etc
[20:33] <tekteen> Most nvidia use something built into X.Org
[20:34] <tekteen> AIGLX?
[20:34] <stevie2k> the standard "nv" driver works quite well...
[20:34] <tekteen> !aiglx
[20:34] <ubotu> AIGLX is a project that aims to enable GL-accelerated effects on a standard desktop. Supported cards: Nvidia: GeForce3 or newer; ATI: Radeon 7000 through X800; Intel: i810 or newer. Howto: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/AIGLX. For older Nvidia or newer ATI cards see !xgl
[20:34] <stevie2k> oh.. i check this ...
[20:35] <stevie2k> the standard "nv" driver does not support GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap
[20:35] <stevie2k> which is neede for AIGLX
[20:35] <tekteen> ok
[20:35] <tekteen> to install xgl ...
[20:35] <stevie2k> (I am quite a noob - just working since one week with kubuntu 7.10)
[20:35] <melkor> Is anybody runnin' kde4?
[20:35] <tekteen> open a konsole
[20:36] <tekteen> then type "sudo apt-get install xserver-xgl"
[20:36] <agruman> If im not mistaken, the hd2xxx cards also supports AIGLX now with the latest drivers
[20:36] <uwo> hi all - question - if i install kde 4 rc, does that replace kde 3 or can i choose which one i log on to?
[20:36] <stevie2k> the newest version is installed...
[20:36] <tekteen> stevie2k: just try running compiz
[20:37] <emilsedgh> uwo: no it will not afect your current kde3 and applications
[20:37] <tekteen> if it does not work... install xgl
[20:37] <uwo> emilsedgh:tnx. will try it :)
[20:37] <stevie2k> the screen gets completely white and nothing else happens...
[20:37] <stevie2k> I just tried it...
[20:37] <stevie2k> I had to restart x...
[20:37] <tekteen> u mean if u run compiz ?
[20:37] <stevie2k> yeah
[20:37] <tekteen> ok
[20:38] <agruman> is there some iso out there which doesnt do a graphical install and that supports usb keyboards?
[20:38] <stevie2k> or - wait a moment - i give it another try... but if it doesn't work I'll be back after X is restarted :-)
[20:38] <tekteen> agruman: does the alternative install cd?
[20:39] <agruman> tekteen, what do you mean?
[20:39] <stevie2k> Checking for Xgl: not present.
[20:39] <stevie2k> No whitelisted driver found
[20:39] <stevie2k> aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity
[20:39] <stevie2k> no compiz with standard nv driver...
[20:40] <stevie2k> I even tried envy but this does not change anything...
[20:40] <ardchoille> agruman: the alternate install cd is a text-based installer and supports usb keyboards and mice.. I've used it on older machines
[20:41] <tekteen> agruman: the non graphical install cd is the "altenative install cd"
[20:41] <agruman> ah thanks alot
[20:42] <bobfarley> agruman  if you haven't tried the alternate install disk, you should.  don't let the word "alternate" throw you off
[20:42] <bobfarley> alternate = better
[20:42] <agruman> i believe my gfx is whats causing my rig to crash
[20:42] <agruman> bobfarley hehe :)
[20:42] <agruman> oh i wont be intimidated by a text mode installation
[20:43] <agruman> thanks for the info guys, i realy appretiate it.
[20:50] <t4m1n0> helo there
[20:51] <tekteen> hello
[20:51] <t4m1n0> I know this isn't kubuntu theme, but how would I in open office found this string: /* bla lbalblablbl something */
[20:52] <tekteen> t4m1n0: I am looking :-)
[20:53] <t4m1n0> tekteen, I found this one: http://ostermiller.org/findcomment.html
[20:53] <t4m1n0> tekteen, but this isn't directly for open office
[20:53] <tekteen> what are u trying to do?
[20:56] <t4m1n0> tekteen, I I am trying to mar from /* to */
[20:56] <t4m1n0> even if there is line break
[20:56] <t4m1n0> for example:
[20:56] <tekteen> mar?
[20:57] <t4m1n0> like this:      /* dfa dsf sf adf af af asdfs
[20:57] <t4m1n0>  dfasef sdf sf asfd af   // sddfs f */
[20:57] <t4m1n0> and when this will be marked I will underline this
[20:57] <tekteen> I do not think I can help u.
[20:58] <jhutchins> t4m1n0: vim will do that automatically.
[20:58] <t4m1n0> jhutchins, I need to record an macro in open office
[20:58] <t4m1n0> and I'm running out of time
[21:08] <carwash^> ok, i just tried installing the binary nvidia drivers (beta) from the nvidia site. The drivers install ok, but on running X i get the error "nvidia device not found". Any help?
[21:18] <MementoMori> does anyone use virtualbox here?
[21:18] <carwash^> MementoMori: sure
[21:20] <MementoMori> carwash^: do you use nat networking or host interface?
[21:20] <carwash^> both actually
[21:20] <carwash^> but host was a pain to set up
[21:21] <genii> !info nvidia-kernel-common | carwash^
[21:21] <ubotu> carwash^: nvidia-kernel-common: NVIDIA binary kernel module common files. In component restricted, is optional. Version 20051028+1ubuntu7 (gutsy), package size 5 kB, installed size 112 kB
[21:21] <carwash^> genji: i installed the betadriver from nvidia and it compiled and installed its own kernelmodeule
[21:22] <MementoMori> carwash^: when you use host interface does your guest os have a "public" ip? with public I mean an ip that other lan hosts can connect to
[21:22] <carwash^> MementoMori: as far as i remember, yes
[21:22] <carwash^> you could also do port forwarding in NAT-mode if you want access to your virtual machine
[21:22] <carwash^> its all explained in the wiki on the virtualbox page
[21:23] <MementoMori> carwash^: this is good. Can you help me configuring such a beast?
[21:23] <venik> any experts on Thuderbird here?  I am having trouble reading messages with it
[21:23] <MementoMori> carwash^: in the doc I read they say to create a brigde an tap devices
[21:23] <venik> they appear blank
[21:23] <venik> but they are ok under WINDOWS
[21:23] <carwash^> apt-get install brctl bridge-utils
[21:24] <carwash^> brctrl new br0 or something like that, i think its in the wiki...
[21:24] <MementoMori> carwash^: but when you create a bridge you'll share the brigde ip with the devices (eth0, tapX)
[21:25] <MementoMori> this way my guest os has an ip but no host in my lan can ping it
[21:25] <carwash^> you can have seperate ips on the bridge interface and the real interfaces as far as i can remember
[21:25] <manu_> lst
[21:25] <mib_> need help with kdevelop ? where can i find a debugger/compiler in the app itself, are there any gui features for that (sorry if too noob)
[21:26] <carwash^> mib_: gdb is what's used. I'm not really sure if there's a good frontend
[21:26] <MementoMori> carwash^: I use dhcp in my lan. I'd like to have eth and tap working with dhcp too
[21:26] <carwash^> dhclient br0 should get the bridge an ip, but i really cant remember :/
[21:27] <carwash^> let me see if i have the setup on this pc or the other
[21:27] <nodesert> does anyone know why i can not download wine with apt-get install wine on gusty?
[21:27] <MementoMori> carwash^: thank you
[21:28] <agruman> I have now tried the alternative install cd, however my usb keyboard doesnt work there :( (I dont come any longer then the "menu"). It doesnt work in the "normal" installation cd either, but the timeout there "saves" me, though the installation crashes when X is started. So anyone have any suggestion to what to do?
[21:28] <mib_> @carw, do you kdevelop is a good solution for c development, are there better apps (ecplipe, anjuta?)
[21:28] <MementoMori> nodesert: you need to turn universe repository on
[21:28] <genii> nodesert: What is the error it gives
[21:28] <carwash^> agruman: go into your bios and enable usb legacy support
[21:28] <nodesert> how can i do this?
[21:28] <genii> MementoMori: Ah, right
[21:29] <levon> hey guys how are you? i need some assistance i have a older laptop that lags really bad with my os its mepis 6.5 i was wondering what would run real sweet on this computer? and if i can help out by showing you what hardware i have i would need a grep command to list my cpu info ram info and my wireless card is nice atheros so that should be detected no problems
[21:29] <carwash^> mib_: never really used kdevelop, i hear people like eclipse, but it's HUGE
[21:29] <agruman> carwash^, yeah i would if i had that setting. But i dont (which sucks)
[21:29] <MementoMori> levon: give xubuntu a try
[21:29] <MementoMori> agruman: try searching for a bios update
[21:29] <nodesert> genii: how can i turn universe repository?
[21:30] <levon> sounds good
[21:30] <MementoMori> nodesert: from adept manager
[21:30] <carwash^> MementoMori: can't really remember what i was doing, but here's the script that enables it
[21:30] <carwash^> http://pastebin.com/m78ea40b1
[21:30] <MementoMori> carwash^: thank you
[21:31] <carwash^> np
[21:31] <agruman> MementoMori, yeah i guess that would be the next logical step. Though my mobo is only approx a year old. (and supposed to be a high class mobo too :/)
[21:31] <mib_> carwash: yes, think so too, i'll try kdev, think it would do it
[21:31] <mib_> thx
[21:31] <dim_> elinas re
[21:32] <agruman> carwash^ and MementoMori thanks for the info.
[21:32] <genii> carwash^: Out of curiosity are you running x86_64 or amd64, etc
[21:33] <nodesert> MementoMori: i m newbie.So i can not turn my repository universe
[21:33] <MementoMori> !universe
[21:33] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[21:33] <dim_> Κανένας Ελληνας??????/
[21:33] <carwash^> genii: i386
[21:33] <MementoMori> !universe | nodesert
[21:33] <ubotu> nodesert: please see above
[21:33] <stdin> !gr | dim_
[21:33] <ubotu> dim_: #ubuntu-gr και #kubuntu-gr για Έλληνες χρηστές  /  #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia Ellhnes xrhstes
[21:33] <MementoMori> nodesert: would you please follow the link?
[21:34] <nodesert> ok thanks
[21:34] <carwash^> brb
[21:34] <dim_> Efharisto......
[21:34] <genii> carwash^: According to http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html all the drivers there are for 64 bit platforms (excepting ia32 and freebsdx86)
[21:35] <kalorin> anyone know a good hex editor?
[21:35] <kalorin> I used to use ultra edit and it was fantastic, I wish that Kate or something else did as well as ultra edit
[21:35] <kalorin> not even sure how to get vi to display in hex
[21:35] <stdin> !info kexedit
[21:35] <ubotu> Package kexedit does not exist in gutsy
[21:36] <stdin> !info khexedit
[21:36] <ubotu> khexedit: KDE hex editor. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 375 kB, installed size 1184 kB
[21:36] <stdin> if I could type...
[21:36] <kalorin> ok thanks
[21:37] <moofoo> hello, is there a ready vmware player deb for gutsy?
[21:37] <stdin> kalorin: "apt-cache search hex | grep edit" turns up a few results too
[21:37] <stdin> moofoo: vmware is a bit broken on gutsy, give virtualbox a go
[21:37] <boubbin> is possible to make firefox use qt engine when operning files from my local harddrive ?
[21:38] <boubbin> opening even
[21:39] <bobfarley> shankargopal should look at updating that
[21:39] <moofoo> stdin: hm ok.. just have to find a way to convert the image i suppose
[21:40] <moofoo> hmm.. while installing virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.22-14-generic i got chown: `:vboxusers': invalid group  .. * Cannot change owner vboxusers for device /dev/vboxdrv
[21:45] <carwash^> just for future reference. if aybody is logging, modprobe options tried to load the nvidia kernel module with a bunch of deprecated options, making the module fail at loadtime. loading the nvidia kernel module without any options at all everything works (kubuntu gutsy 106.49 beta nvidia driver i386)
[21:45] <MementoMori> moofoo: no fear. just add vboxusers to the system groups (if it still doesnt exist)
[21:46] <plisken> hi
[21:46] <carwash^> the black window bug is, however, as frequent as with the older drivers
[21:51] <moofoo> MementoMori: it was actually due to the missing device.. (module not loaded before the operation or what ever)
[21:52] <qolo> plisken:
[21:53] <plisken> hi
[21:53] <TimS> Someone/#kubuntu pang
[21:53] <qolo> you pinged ?
[21:53] <[WarMage]> okay who pinged me
[21:53] <plisken> yes
[21:53] <plisken> my first time in irc
[21:53] <qolo> plisken pinged everyone :S
[21:53] <bmk789> ?
[21:53]  * genii wonders if we're in for another CTCP flood
[21:53] <TimS> plisken: did you ping the entire channel
[21:53] <plisken> sorry
[21:53] <TimS> Never ping a channel
[21:53] <plisken> ok
[21:54] <corinth> Kaffeine crashes when I try to play a DVD. Mplayer does not. Help?
[21:54] <kenplis> hi
[21:55] <MementoMori> he said this is his first irc session ;) he did a very forgivable error :D
[21:57] <kenplis> now i cange my nick name kenplis instead of plisken
[21:57] <bobfarley> kenplis/plisken you have already
[22:05] <bmk789> any lirc experts?
[22:06] <moofoo> bmk789: depends :)
[22:06] <jhutchins> corinth: Use mplayer.
[22:06] <jhutchins> corinth: Why is that a problem?
[22:07] <jhutchins> (Why do people persist in trying to use kaffeine?)
[22:07] <moofoo> i like smplayer ;)
[22:07] <ardchoille> jhutchins: No idea
[22:07] <ardchoille> MPlayer is the best, IMHO.
[22:08] <moofoo> jhutchins: probably because its the default ;)
[22:08] <jhutchins> moofoo: I just use the mplayer gui.  kmplayer is too limited in controls.
[22:08] <jpatrick> jhutchins: tried codeine?
[22:08] <Arsanerit> Hello, I have a file that is, according to 'file', "Macromedia Flash Video". I have the Macromedia Flash plugin for firefox, but this is a seperate file, and when I point firefox to it it asks me what to do with it - it doesn't (attempt to) play it. How do I play this file?
[22:08] <moofoo> codeine is xine based ;)
[22:08] <jhutchins> moofoo: I know, but why do people keep doing things like that?  Setting a non-working player as default is kinda duh.
[22:08] <moofoo> jhutchins: smplayer != kmplayer ;)
[22:08] <jhutchins> k
[22:09] <jhutchins> VLC also mostly just works.
[22:09] <bmk789> moofoo: im having absolutely no luck getting my nvidia rf remote to work
[22:09] <moofoo> jhutchins: yeah well.. it works more or less and supports dvb so you can watch tv with it..
[22:09] <ardchoille> Some of us can't use vlc, sadly.
[22:09] <bmk789> moofoo: when i did a dpkg-reconfigure the kde lirc icon would light up when i hit a button but none of the actions worked
[22:09] <jhutchins> !flash | Arsanerit
[22:09] <ubotu> Arsanerit: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[22:10] <moofoo> bmk789: lircd is running?
[22:10] <bmk789> moofoo: yes
[22:10] <bmk789> but when i replace the lircd.conf with the correct one, it all stops working
[22:10] <moofoo> well maybe your lircd.conf is not correct then ;)
[22:11] <Arsanerit> jhutchins: I have the flash plugin.
[22:11] <moofoo> mind to pastbin it?
[22:11] <moofoo> Arsanerit: mplayer can play flv
[22:11] <bmk789> moofoo: http://lircconfig.commandir.com/lircd.conf/?viewremote=87 thats the one i found with the exact model of my remote
[22:12] <Arsanerit> moofoo: Thank you.
[22:12] <moofoo> bmk789: mm looks ok as it seems
[22:12] <Arsanerit> Now I only need to figure out how to play the audio track in the seperate file.
[22:13] <jhutchins> Arsanerit: the web site may be misconfigured.
[22:13] <moofoo> Arsanerit:  mplayer can do this :)
[22:13] <Arsanerit> jhutchins: There is no web site.
[22:13] <Arsanerit> moofoo: I know, I am reading the manpage.
[22:13] <moofoo> (-audiofile)
[22:13] <jhutchins> jpatrick: Nope, hadn't heard of it.
[22:14] <moofoo> bmk789: is your hardware.conf correct?
[22:14] <bmk789> its the same as when the icon worked
[22:14] <jpatrick> jhutchins: it's a great little video player
[22:14] <Arsanerit> Thanks
[22:14] <jhutchins> !info codeine
[22:14] <ubotu> codeine: Simple KDE video player. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-3.dfsg-2 (gutsy), package size 174 kB, installed size 596 kB
[22:15] <moofoo> bmk789: hmhm... sorry have no further ideas.. i guess the module you use may be wrong (lirc-serial lirc-usb etc) .. maybe check /var/log/messages or dmesg .. but i'm not sure
[22:16] <bmk789> moofoo: im thinking the dpkg's config for the remote had something different but i cant get that config back because it only adds it the first time
[22:16] <CPrgmSwR2> Is Linux a form of Unix?
[22:17] <moofoo> CPrgmSwR2: not really
[22:17] <CPrgmSwR2> Just double checking, ha my book screwed up
[22:17] <jhutchins> jpatrick: codeine looks worthwhile - but mplayer just works for me, so I probably won't mess with it.
[22:17] <moofoo> (some even claim linux mean "Linux Is Not Unix" ;)
[22:18] <ThuLex> i have ubuntu on a usb key and it sort of works
[22:18] <jhutchins> CPrgmSwR2: Yes, Linux is a posix compliant form of unix.
[22:18] <moofoo> !info smplayer
[22:18] <ubotu> smplayer: complete front-end for MPlayer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.5.20-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 816 kB, installed size 2252 kB
[22:18] <ThuLex> the only problem is when i boot from my usb key it comes up about my GNOME Manager being buggy
[22:18] <jhutchins> CPrgmSwR2: It was developed independently though, it's not a derivitive of an institutional unix.
[22:18] <ThuLex> and i cant log in (after it asks me for a username and password) which i dont know what it is
[22:18] <ThuLex> is there a default username and password or how do i fix the rpoblem?
[22:18] <CPrgmSwR2> thats confusing
[22:19] <moofoo> well actually linux is just the kernel..
[22:19] <CPrgmSwR2> jhutchins: are you saying Linux is a form of Unix?
[22:19] <ThuLex> CPrgmSwR2, linux is based on the same structure as unix as far as i know...
[22:19] <ThuLex> but it was made but different people
[22:19] <moofoo> CPrgmSwR2:  GNU (as in "GNU is not Unix") is the "unix like part"
[22:19] <moofoo> CPrgmSwR2: so should call it GNU/Linux if at all
[22:19] <ThuLex> image someone coming along and taking windows' basic structure and making a new everything else...
[22:19] <Arsanerit> Thank you. It was interesting. :)
[22:19] <ThuLex> anyway
[22:20] <ThuLex> anyone can help me with my problem?
[22:20] <CPrgmSwR2> ThuLex: I am very familier with the history of linux, but I just didn't relize it could be considered unix
[22:20] <jhutchins> CPrgmSwR2: Yes.
[22:20] <jhutchins> Linux is a unix according to the posix definition of unix.
[22:20] <ThuLex> well linux isnt unix
[22:20] <ThuLex> meh
[22:20] <ThuLex> erm
[22:21] <ThuLex> jaguar
[22:21] <ThuLex> the makers of the cars of jaguar
[22:21] <jhutchins> gnu isn't Linux either.
[22:21] <ThuLex> for their new car, they use the structure of rover...
[22:21] <jhutchins> Ford.
[22:21] <ThuLex> its a jaguar (named wise and everything else) but its chassi is a rover..
[22:21] <ThuLex> or whatever
[22:21] <ThuLex> it was an example :p
[22:21] <ThuLex> im not a mechanic :p
[22:22] <CPrgmSwR2> jhutchins: said linux is Unix, ThuLex says linux is not unix. Wow
[22:22] <jhutchins> Jaguar is a Ford probe with a Jaguar hood ornament.
[22:22] <ThuLex> well everyone says different things :p
[22:22] <moofoo> CPrgmSwR2: well it depends on how you define "Unix"
[22:22] <ThuLex> anyone
[22:22] <ThuLex> CAN anyone help me????
[22:22] <CPrgmSwR2> ThuLex: sorry I can't
[22:22] <jhutchins> Which is what the posix standard is for, defining what's unix.
[22:23] <CPrgmSwR2> jhutchins: okay thnx
[22:23] <jhutchins> ThuLex: sorry.  Try this:
[22:23] <jhutchins> !sudo | ThuLex
[22:23] <ubotu> ThuLex: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[22:23] <jhutchins> !kdesu | ThuLex
[22:23] <ubotu> ThuLex: In KDE, use « kdesudo <program> » (Gutsy) or « kdesu <program> » (Feisty and earlier) to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[22:23] <bobfarley> India's Tata Motor's is said to be a bidder for Jaguar and LandRover
[22:24] <ThuLex> well how can i do it when i  cant get it?
[22:24] <jhutchins> Yeah.  Ford doesn't want Rover, and Jaguar fans don't want them to have Jaguar.
[22:24] <ThuLex> when it starts to run it says theres a problem with the users and with the GNOME Manager
[22:24] <signedout> hi
[22:24] <jhutchins> ThuLex: Please read the two links above.
[22:24] <ThuLex> and it goes to a blueish page with a space to type in ur Usernma
[22:24] <ThuLex> then after password
[22:24] <signedout> what can I do when update crashed?
[22:24] <jhutchins> Ah.
[22:24] <signedout> in the middle of updating
[22:25] <jhutchins> ThuLex: You need to pres ctrl-alt-f1 and log in there without the GUI.
[22:25] <MsK`> hi
[22:25] <jhutchins> ThuLex: That or boot to rescue mode.
[22:25] <ThuLex> ok
[22:25] <ThuLex> well do you know how to fix the bug ?
[22:25] <jhutchins> !aptfix | signedout
[22:25] <ubotu> signedout: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[22:25] <MsK`> after deinstalling fglrx, I get this everytime I run a 3D app : "Xlib;
[22:25] <moofoo> CPrgmSwR2: i suppose the closest term to describe GNU/Linux is "Unix-like"  if you want to have unix in the sentence ;-)  [anyway this is getting OT]
[22:25] <MsK`> after deinstalling fglrx, I get this everytime I run a 3D app : "Xlib: extension "ATIFGLRXDRI" missing on display ":0.0"."
[22:26] <jhutchins> ThuLex: Did you originally install ubuntu, then add kubuntu-desktop, or the other way around?
[22:26] <ThuLex> huh?
[22:26] <ThuLex> wait i;ll explain
[22:26] <ThuLex> i downloaded 7.10 on window
[22:26] <ThuLex> s
[22:26] <ThuLex> burnt it onto a disc
[22:27] <ThuLex> then followed this tutorial to put it on a usb key
[22:27] <ThuLex> let me get it
[22:27] <ThuLex> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[22:28] <jhutchins> Is Linux Unix? Paul Murphy of Linux Insider says yes: http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/32719.html
[22:29] <jhutchins> ThuLex: Did you use ubuntu, as the guide says?
[22:29] <moofoo> jhutchins: Unix is a Trademark of Open Group ;-)
[22:29] <stdin> It's quite clear that Linus Is Not UniX
[22:29] <bmk789> moofoo: is there a way to view what command are coming in from the remote?
[22:29] <jhutchins> stdin: see above.
[22:29] <stdin> we do love our reverse acronyms
[22:30] <ThuLex> well yes and no
[22:30] <ThuLex> i used ubuntu to do everything apart from put the ubuntu files on my usb key
[22:30] <ThuLex> i had to go to window, open the disc and copy and paste the files onto the key
[22:30] <moofoo> bmk789: there is lirc-x package with irxevent and xmode2
[22:30] <corinth> jhutchin: I prefer the interface the Kaffeine has, much more to mplayer.
[22:31] <jhutchins> ThuLex: Ok, the reason I ask is because that's a gnome error, and kubuntu doesn't run gnome, it runs kde.  #ubuntu is more likely to be able to help with the error than we are.
[22:31] <moofoo> jhutchins: this is neither a proof nor a proper source ;-) i could claim the contrary :p
[22:31] <jhutchins> corinth: codeine looks good, try it.  Or vlc.
[22:31] <moofoo> but still this getting too much ot i suppose ;-)
[22:31] <jhutchins> Linux Insider is not a proper source?
[22:32] <corinth> jhutchins: I'll try codeine, thanks. Be back soon.
[22:32] <joebob777as7> i'm looking to make all user accounts on a central server. do i have to go and learn ldap or can i do something else?
[22:32] <ThuLex> so whats the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu?
[22:32] <corinth> ThuLex: Ubuntu uses Gnome, Kubuntu uses KDE
[22:33] <moofoo> jhutchins: i would say it *might* be a bit linux biased ;-)
[22:33] <ThuLex> which is best, kde or gnome?
[22:34] <joebob777as7> ThuLex, personal preference
[22:34] <joebob777as7> gnome is more popular
[22:34] <moofoo> anyway.. legally unix is trademark of the opengroup and hence linux may not be called unix(tm) ..
[22:34] <corinth> ThuLex: It depends on you. Gnome has a simpler, cleaner feeling, while KDE is also nice and is more customizable.
[22:34] <joebob777as7> kde is coming out with it's newest release which a lot of people are skeptical about since the beta's have been so buggy.
[22:35] <jhutchins> Because of the fragmentation of Unix, the posix standard was developed to determine which OS's were considered to effectively be unix from a programming standpoint, ie for the sake of code portability.  Systems that meet the posix standard are generally understood to "be Unix", systems that do not are "something else".
[22:36] <ThuLex> hm, so for a newbie gnome is better
[22:36] <ThuLex> so gnome is like the brain of ubuntu?
[22:36] <jhutchins> ThuLex: No, gnome is like the stage makeup.
[22:36] <jhutchins> ThuLex: As is kde.
[22:36] <corinth> ThuLex: Kind of. I use both, but I started out on KDE and loved it.
[22:36] <jhutchins> ThuLex: They are two different desktop environments.  xfce is a third.
[22:37] <moofoo> jhutchins: "Unix-like" is the term ;) or better "Posix Compliant"
[22:37] <jhutchins> ThuLex: The underlying system, the brain, is GNU Linux.
[22:37] <titi> salut
[22:38] <jhutchins> moofoo: As you say, it's all in your definition.  I like posix, it's a good reference standard for what is or isn't unix.
[22:38] <moofoo> jhutchins: well release a posix compliant product and call it unix .. and see what the opengroup tells you ;-)
[22:38] <jhutchins> moofoo: To me, if I can pretty quickly find my way around the command line for system administration, it's close enough to call it unix, whether it's solaris, HPUX, or whatever IBM call's it's flavor.  Or linux.
[22:39] <moofoo> jhutchins: i would say its more a question of defintion and understanding.. both claims are to a certain degree right.. but neither is unquestionable
[22:39] <jhutchins> moofoo: Just gotta define your terms.
[22:39] <joebob777as7> i'm looking to make all user accounts on a central server. do i have to go and learn ldap or can i do something else?
[22:39] <moofoo> jhutchins: heh.. try "tar xfz " on a non gtar system ;-)
[22:39] <jhutchins> ThuLex: Gnome is supposed to be more user friendly, at the cost of options.
[22:40] <corinth> Good description
[22:40] <jhutchins> ThuLex: Some people say kde looks and acts more like Windows, but lately they've been saying that in a negative way about Gnome.
[22:40] <ThuLex> oh
[22:40] <jhutchins> ThuLex: xfce is a whole new thing, which is what some people want.
[22:41] <ThuLex> cool
[22:41] <jhutchins> Then there's nexstep, which is an evolution of Jobs NEXT desktop.
[22:41] <ThuLex> well when i know more about linux i'll try to get that :p
[22:41] <ThuLex> brb
[22:41] <moofoo> yeah and osx is a unix nowadays ;-)
[22:42] <jhutchins> Yep.
[22:43] <moofoo> but not linux.. it's just unix-like ;-)
[22:43] <jhutchins> By way of Next and BSD I gather.
[22:43] <jhutchins> moofoo: What different unix-like OS's have you used?
[22:44] <moofoo> jhutchins: solaris, hpux, irix, freebsd, netbsd, openbsd, osx, plan9 (;-))
[22:44] <jhutchins> irix, that was the one i was thinking of.
[22:44] <moofoo> and linux ;-)
[22:45] <moofoo> 4dwm ftw ;-)
[22:45] <jhutchins> Pretty good list.
[22:45] <jhutchins> I think I've wandered around an old SysV system once.
[22:47] <aurelia> hi i have a problem
[22:47] <aurelia> with a program in c language
[22:47] <aurelia> when i use gcc for compiling
[22:48] <aurelia> i've the message " not return charriage at the end of the file"
[22:48] <aurelia> something like that
[22:49] <trappist> aurelia: echo "" >> file.c
[22:49] <stdin> that's not an error, that's a warning
[22:49] <trappist> to put a newline at the end
[22:49] <trappist> don't forget to use both >'s
[22:49] <trappist> or you'll be sad
[22:50] <plisken> ie just instaled kubuntu (old one 6.06)
[22:50] <plisken> I wish to program in c
[22:51] <aurelia> thank you very much
[22:51] <aurelia> it works
[22:51] <plisken> but it seems i haven gcc or something similar
[22:52] <stdin> plisken: install "build-essential"
[22:52] <plisken> ok iĺl try....
[22:54] <plisken> i dont find it in adept
[22:57] <plisken> bye (is time to sleep) thank at all
[23:01] <signedout> I have a problem with froswire and java
[23:02] <signedout> I can only start it like this when cd ing into the this folder /usr/lib/frostwire$ java -jar FrostWire.jar
[23:02] <signedout> I copy that command in the menu icon and doesn't work
[23:02] <signedout> why?
[23:03] <signedout> hello?
[23:03] <Dragnslcr> I would guess that /usr/lib/frostwire isn't in your path
[23:03] <signedout> what path?
[23:04] <Dragnslcr> Did youtry java -jar /usr/lib/frostwire/FrostWire.jar
[23:04] <Dragnslcr> Your PATH path
[23:04] <signedout> yes
[23:04] <Dragnslcr> i.e. the directories that the shell looks in when you don't specify a location
[23:04] <signedout> that's what I have in the menu command
[23:05] <signedout> and Frostwire starts with an error message whereas doing that on a terminal frostwire starts just fine
[23:05] <blendtux> stdin: i get updates for the packages for kde4 is that correct
[23:06] <stdin> blendtux: sure
[23:06] <blendtux> who made the new packages for kubuntu
[23:06] <blendtux> you stdin
[23:06] <stdin> they are the same packages, just in gutsy-backports
[23:07] <vsudilov> whats the command to make adept-updater to update all my stuff in the terminal?
[23:07] <signedout> this is the error message frostwire gives "one or more necessary files appear to be invalid. This is generally caused by a corrupted installation. ...."
[23:07] <signedout> why?
[23:10] <Dragnslcr> vsudilov- you mean apt-get update and apt-get upgrade?
[23:14] <mot__> how do i execute a .jar from commandline?
[23:16] <ardchoille> mot__: gij flename.jar  ?
[23:18] <blendtux> what do you mean the same packages
[23:18] <blendtux> it updated my system stdin, so nothing has changed
[23:19] <ubuntu> my browser won't connect, but irc does; any suggestions?
[23:19] <stdin> ok
[23:20] <moofoo> ubuntu: wrong proxy set?
[23:20] <ubuntu> lemme check
[23:20] <pierreth> hello, I have a problem with my monitor, the image is shifted to the left
[23:21] <pierreth> I cannot see the left corner of the image
[23:22] <pierreth> This is only appenning in 1680x1050
[23:22] <pierreth> I have a LG L222WT
[23:22] <pierreth> any idea?
[23:25] <dga> !compiz
[23:25] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[23:26] <pierreth> I don't have compiz
[23:26] <dga> why not?
[23:26] <pierreth> I just made an new installation of Kubuntu
[23:26] <pierreth> I have a new computer
[23:27] <pierreth> Here I see that I am not alone with this problem: http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1168655
[23:29] <khumba_yo> hy @ll
[23:29] <mot_> how do i build codeblocks from source?
[23:30] <tim__> fgggg
[23:33] <Tarin> can any one help me install xgl/Compiz
[23:33] <corinth> !compiz
[23:33] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[23:34] <signedout> hi
[23:34] <Tarin> thanks ubotu
[23:34] <signedout> firefox claim I do'nt have plugins available
[23:34] <blendtux> but stdin those packages i installed from kde4 where no updates from the rc1 i installed before
[23:34] <signedout> I have gnash installed and java, I can't watch youtube :(
[23:35] <stdin> blendtux: yes, they are the same packages, just in gutsy-backports
[23:35] <dga> what are some advantages of kubuntu vs ubuntu? i'm having a hard time deciding which to install on my laptop.
[23:36] <signedout> I tyoe about:plugins and nothing shows up
[23:36] <signedout> how do I make firefox scan for plugins?
[23:36] <stdin> dga: try both, see what you like best. it's all about personal choice
[23:36] <khumba_yo> dga- you can have both, depends on your own preference - ever tried a live-cd?
[23:36] <dga> yes
[23:36] <dga> i've tried both
[23:36] <khumba_yo> so, whats your favourite?
[23:37] <khumba_yo> gnome or kde?
[23:37] <dga> i dislike gnome
[23:37] <dga> but KDE isn't much better
[23:37] <dga> or it might be
[23:38] <khumba_yo> xubuntu comes with xfce... ;)
[23:38] <CPrgmSwR2> dga: Have you seen KDE4
[23:38] <dga> nope
[23:38] <dga> it's still a beta isn't it/
[23:38] <CPrgmSwR2> No, its in RC status now
[23:39] <CPrgmSwR2> it may release this december 12 too
[23:39] <khumba_yo> xfce looks a little like gnome, but is much more "lightweight"
[23:39] <dga> hmm
[23:39] <dga> can i see a screenshot CPrgmSwR2?
[23:39] <khumba_yo> theres also a non-official distro called fluxbuntu - with fluxbox
[23:40] <signedout> plugins anybody?
[23:40] <signedout> how to make firefox recotinaze java and flash?
[23:41] <Dr_willis> it should do that automaticially signedout  once you install them
[23:41] <CPrgmSwR2> dga: trying to find a current one, their are instructions for trying out kde4 but thats already outdated whats in kubuntu
[23:41] <Dr_willis> The 'kubuntu-restricted-extras' package should install those and more
[23:41] <dga> is it easy to make kde look like OS X?
[23:42] <Dr_willis> dga,  look yes. feel no.. then again.. who would want to. :)
[23:42] <dga> excellent
[23:42] <Dr_willis> dga,  theres dozens of OS-X themes out there.
[23:42] <Dr_willis> and then theres the emerald os-x look themes
[23:42] <dga> what's the difference?
[23:42] <Dr_willis> compiz adds a lot of features that mac-addicts seem to like
[23:42] <bobfarley> who's asking which is better ?
[23:42] <Dr_willis> emerald is for compiz.
[23:43] <dga> well, i will be using compiz
[23:43] <signedout> Dr_willis: I type about:plugins in firefox and doesn't show any
[23:43] <Dr_willis> signedout,  you did install java and the flash player with the package manager?
[23:44] <signedout> Dr_willis: yes
[23:44] <bobfarley> using the alternative install cd,  I like to do a commandline install, then add kde-core plus the things I really need/want  http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/kde-core
[23:44] <CPrgmSwR2> dga: I would prefer you wait to see the screen shots of when kde4 is released
[23:45] <Minataku> Heya, Dr_Willis
[23:45] <dga> CPrgmSwR2 ok
[23:45] <Minataku> What's the status on the A1200?
[23:45] <khumba_yo> signedout: have a look at http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/index.html
[23:45] <CPrgmSwR2> dga: kubuntu will release a livecd of kde4 when its ready
[23:46] <dga> won't kubuntu automatically update kde when it comes out>
[23:46] <Dr_willis> dga,  that would be a bit of a huge change to force on people that may not want it. :)
[23:46] <bobfarley> kde4 won't appear to be any great change from current kde.  If you don't like it now, nothing will change with kde4
[23:47] <CPrgmSwR2> bobfarley: thats not true
[23:47] <CPrgmSwR2> KDE4 is releasing an awsome new plasma system
[23:47] <stdin> we have a liveCD of kde4 already
[23:48] <bobfarley> CPrgmSwR2  it all looks the same.  I've seen the screenshots and I've got a kde4 livecd
[23:48] <bobfarley> CPrgmSwR2  defaults are hard to tell apart
[23:48] <bobfarley> CPrgmSwR2  so yeah, I'm right.
[23:48] <CPrgmSwR2> bobfarley: different prespective
[23:49] <CPrgmSwR2> bobfarley: did you know kde4 was re-programmed from the ground up around qt4
[23:49] <bobfarley> CPrgmSwR2  no.  its exactly what I said.  YOu read into it.
[23:49] <stdin> can you take KDE4 comments/discussion to #kubuntu-offtopic
[23:49] <stdin> it's not on topic here
[23:49] <bobfarley> CPrgmSwR2  reprogrammed to look the same to end users who won't be able to tell the difference.
[23:49] <dga> hmm so should i install kubuntu from the kubuntu cd i already have or with the kde4 livecd?
[23:50] <stdin> dga: kde4 is not ready to be your main desktop, install kubuntu from the normal install disk
[23:50] <khumba_yo> dga - i suppose the kde4 livecd has nothing to do with kubuntu... right?
[23:51] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  right now sitting in the garrag on the pooltable behind a 10ft pile of stuff. :) i cant even get in the garrage..
[23:51] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  darnwife and her xmas shopping..
[23:51] <dga> does compiz fusion run better in kde than it does in gnome
[23:51] <dga> ?
[23:51] <Minataku> Heh
[23:51] <Dr_willis> dga,  well.. ive had issues with it under both..
[23:51] <dga> what issues?
[23:52] <Dr_willis> dga,  so its like saying a root cannal is better then having a toenail removed.. :)
[23:52] <khumba_yo> dga - just install kubuntu from your cd, then you can co-install another window-manager
[23:52] <Dr_willis> some programs just do not like compiz. :)  but compiz is being tweaked on every day.
[23:52] <khumba_yo> .. if you like.
[23:54] <corinth> dga: No, compiz-fusion works better in gnome.
[23:55] <dga> ok
[23:55] <corinth> dba: It works in KDE, but there are drawbacks.
[23:55] <dga> what kind of drawbacks?
[23:56] <Minataku> Drawbacks like... INDIGESTION
[23:56] <Minataku> And DIAREHHA
[23:56] <Minataku> Oh, wait
[23:56] <Minataku> I'm thinking of something else
[23:56] <Minataku> Sorry
[23:56] <khumba_yo> lol
[23:56] <Minataku> XD
[23:56] <dga> ok so compiz-fusion works better in gnome
[23:57] <dga> i'll just stick with gnome then
[23:57] <bobfarley> cept for a few moments of gee whiz, doesn't compiz-fusion get tiring ?
[23:57] <Dr_willis> use it enough and eventually you will find rough spots and quirks. :)  I know theres some issues with java apps and for some reason vncclient (and other apps) have a issue where you cant select the 'password' input filed. The fix is to shift-clik in the input field. (no idea why that works)
[23:57] <Dr_willis> Picking a desktop based on  which one does eyecandy best.... egads.. :)
[23:58] <Minataku> Well, there's no idea why GNOME works
[23:58] <bobfarley> best eyecandy is gOS
[23:58] <Minataku> Theories include that the thousands of errors just work somehow
[23:58] <Minataku> Kinda like how Windows runs
[23:58] <Dr_willis> bobfarley,  i found Gos lacking in some ways.. like.. well the live cd failed to boot up on 4 of the 5 machines i tested it on. :) Still not sure why its having that issue.
[23:59] <Dr_willis> But it all depends on  your needs.
[23:59] <bobfarley> Dr_willis  that wasn't gOS fault
[23:59] <Minataku> gOS?
[23:59] <stdin> do people ever read channel topics?
[23:59] <bobfarley> Dr_willis   if it boots in any drive it should boot in all drives.
[23:59] <Minataku> Quiet you, I want to know what gOS is
[23:59] <Dr_willis> bobfarley,  but all the machines can boot the Ubuntu/Kubuntu cd's fine.. so figure that out
[23:59] <perrako> Why is internet on ubuntu so spotty? My internet's been doing such weird things in ubuntu and never in windows.