[00:14] <shadoxx> sarnold: it's actually three separate steps to get it to work without cloudinit - update hostname normally, reflect changes in /etc/hosts, run 'service networking restart'
[00:14] <shadoxx> works like a charm now
[00:15] <sarnold> cool :)
[00:19] <mason> And, back.
[01:00] <jbicha> shadoxx: are you aware of hostnamectl ?
[01:06] <shadoxx> jbicha: i am
[01:07] <shadoxx> i found an error in my template that may prevent the default hostname change stuff from taking over
[01:07] <shadoxx> redeploying the template now, and i have my script set to hostname ctl for later
[07:12] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:14] <cpaelzer> good morning
[07:31] <lordievader> Hey cpaelzer happy new year
[07:31] <cpaelzer> hi lordievader, for you as well
[11:50] <rbasak> nacc: reminder to take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php-defaults/+bug/1699659/comments/9 please
[14:26] <Aison> why are systemd link files ignored? I had to create my own 10-network.rules in /etc/udev/rules.d/
[14:30] <Ussat> So, a FYI regarding this Intel bug/fix comming:  https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux-415-x86pti&num=2
[14:31] <Ussat> just a FYI
[14:56] <jamespage> coreycb: doing a bit of tidying on aodh/ceilometer/gnocchiclient re ujson and trunk package build fixes
[14:57] <coreycb> jamespage: ok. that is under MIR right?
[14:57] <jamespage> coreycb: yeah but doko quite rightly pointed out its pretty much unmaintained upstream
[14:58] <coreycb> jamespage: oh..
[14:58] <jamespage> I raised that with the telemetry devs - general agreement to switch back to using json
[14:58] <coreycb> jamespage: ok good
[14:58] <jamespage> coreycb: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/530891/
[14:58] <jamespage> actually - https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/1737989+(status:open+OR+status:merged)
[15:56] <nacc> rbasak: thanks for the poke
[16:28] <rbasak> nacc: do you have any git-ubuntu MPs that need reviewing right now?
[16:28] <nacc> rbasak: https://code.launchpad.net/~nacc/usd-importer/+git/usd-importer/+merge/334662 if you can, that's the script fixes
[16:29] <nacc> rbasak: it's nont passing jenkins, but I believe the code is correct
[16:29] <rbasak> OK
[16:29] <georgem1> any idea if magnum-ui will be packaged by Ubuntu? https://github.com/openstack/magnum-ui
[16:29] <nacc> georgem1: is it packaged by debian?
[16:29] <rbasak> Maybe a question for coreycb? ^
[16:31] <georgem1> nacc: it doesn't seem to be packaged by debian
[16:31] <nacc> rbasak: oh good catch, openstack related
[16:39] <nacc> rbasak: i also have a few older MPs we probably need to talk about for correctness; let me know when a good time would be
[16:42] <nacc> rbasak: i think also https://code.launchpad.net/~nacc/usd-importer/+git/usd-importer/+merge/334659 could be  reviewed
[16:43] <nacc> rbasak: and https://code.launchpad.net/~nacc/usd-importer/+git/usd-importer/+merge/334675 (lower priority, affects build only)
[16:56] <jamespage> nacc: that was a good first response tho
[16:56] <jamespage> nacc: we've at most tended magnum from the original debian packaging to avoid having to drop it from Ubuntu
[16:57] <jamespage> magnum-ui - well that needs a contributor todo the packaging tbh
[16:59] <rbasak> georgem1: ^
[17:07] <nacc> jamespage: thanks for the info
[17:14] <cpaelzer> jamespage: fyi I pushed the upload I did to git also
[17:14] <cpaelzer> jamespage: so whenever you pick up 2.9 you know about those as well
[17:15] <cpaelzer> jamespage: some build dep changes due to dpdk changes for example
[17:16] <nacc> jamespage: re LP: #1740892, being relatively neophyte to corosync/pacemaker, what is the actual error condition? That pacemaker restarts? Or that it fails to successfully restart?
[17:18] <cpaelzer> jamespage: FYI https://code.launchpad.net/~paelzer/britney/hints-ubuntu-bump-openvswitch/+merge/335670 the bump to the badtest
[17:54] <nacc> powersj: can you get me `snap version` and `snap list` from the jenkins host?
[17:54] <nacc> powersj: i guess technically, from the VM that ran: https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/job/git-ubuntu-ci/229/console
[17:55] <powersj> the VM should just be the daily xenial image from uvt
[17:55] <powersj> right?
[17:56] <powersj> nacc: here is the host if you are still interested: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26314305/
[17:56] <nacc> powersj: i wasn't sure, but that soundns right
[17:56] <nacc> powersj: yeah i suppose so, since i think the jenkins job is using a VM and then installing the lxd snap there?
[17:56] <nacc> stgraber: --^ fyi
[17:59] <powersj> nacc: here is what it would produce if you ran now: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26314319/
[17:59] <powersj> and we use the lxc/lxd that is in the image
[17:59] <powersj> so no lxd snap
[18:00] <nacc> powersj: hrm
[18:00] <nacc> https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/job/git-ubuntu-ci/230/console
[18:00] <nacc> it's referring to a snapd path
[18:01] <nacc> (both my jobs that failed are doing this)
[18:01] <pmatulis> 'snap search' outputs a short list of snaps. why?
[18:02] <nacc> pmatulis: that might be better asked in #snappy :)
[18:03] <pmatulis> nacc, ty
[18:11] <stgraber> nacc, powersj: I don't have the push issue here with the same snapd and core versions
[18:11] <stgraber> is that on 16.04 + hwe kernel?
[18:11] <stgraber> trying to figure out whether the 4.10 kernel is making a difference somehow
[18:11] <powersj> linux-image-4.4.0-104-generic
[18:14] <powersj> nacc: that looks like during the snapcraft cleanbuild right?
[18:36] <nacc> powersj: afaict, the snap is already built
[18:37] <nacc> powersj: sorry, was afk, the error occurs during our `git ubuntu build` test
[18:37] <nacc> powersj: when we push tarballs from the host to lxd guest in the jenkins VM
[18:37] <nacc> powersj: "host" being the VM itself, sorry
[19:12] <Aison> hello
[19:13] <Aison> how can I make isc-dhcp-server to listen to all available network devices?
[19:14] <nacc> Aison: is that not he default behavior?
[19:17] <Aison> nacc, I thought the default behavior is eth0
[19:17] <nacc> Aison: ah you might be right
[19:41] <sarnold> I think a dhcp server is very much the kind of thing that you should know which interfaces it is listening on
[19:57] <Aison> sarnold, yes, on all of this router. I defined now all of them in the isc dhcp settings (almost 70 devices)
[19:58] <sarnold> Aison: oof :) no wonder you wanted wildcard binds..
[19:58] <Aison> yes :-)
[22:52] <mason> https://bpaste.net/show/11fcf07f4744
[22:52] <mason> oh, I'm late late late


[00:29] <amstan> i'm highly dissapointed of the new kubuntu
[00:29] <amstan> there are so many bugs
[00:30] <amstan> most irksome right now is that everything gtk is black and unusable
[00:30] <amstan> anybody have a fix for that?
[00:31] <bazhang> amstan, tried a different theme? what exact bug are you talking about bug link please
[00:33] <amstan> even ksnapshot has this issue, that's weird
[00:33] <bazhang> got a bug link?
[00:34] <amstan> i didn't submit a bug, i can barely use my computer
[00:35] <amstan> bazhang: http://i.imgur.com/gXipb.png
[00:36] <bazhang> amstan, and what about with the other themes? or only that one
[00:36] <amstan> bazhang: seems to be the same
[00:37] <amstan> i'll try restarting the DE
[00:40] <amstan> well.. now it's fine, but plasma-desktop has a nasty bug where it stays on top of all my windows
[00:40] <amstan> i have to kill it to use it
[00:42] <amstan> this is fustrating, i'm just going to delete all my kde configs and start over
[01:06] <ro0tcra5h> guten morgen @ all
[01:07] <ro0tcra5h> hab mal ne frage........
[01:49] <oli_> fix for the blackscreen at kbuntu installation. edit grub with 'e' then add nomodeset after the kernel prompt, then boot with ctrl-x the configuration
[02:11] <johnt> Anyone here knows how to get OpenGL Desktop Effects working on 11.10 release of Kubuntu using NVidia display drivers?
[02:11] <johnt> The previous release worked fine!
[02:17] <johnt> 250+ ppl online and not a single person to answer! Some comunity this is!
[02:21] <Auvajs> can you help me? how to set up krusader to automatically open mp3 files in audacious?
[02:21] <Auvajs> hi anyway
[02:25] <WinCamXP> I need help with kubuntu-desktop on my ubuntu 11.10 installation
[02:26] <WinCamXP> After some time working in the KDE environment, the windows on the screen stop updating correctly.
[02:27] <WinCamXP> What I mean is, changes in the display image on the window don't show up until the program is minimized and reopened
[02:27] <WinCamXP> which is completely unusable, and it is like this for all applications
[02:28] <WinCamXP> anybody know what's wrong? is it a driver issue? I was using the nvidia accelerated version 173
[02:28] <WinCamXP> I'm installing the 173-updates version now
[02:29] <WinCamXP> anybody know what the problem is?
[02:29] <WinCamXP> Unity works fine, it's just KDE
[02:29] <WinCamXP> hello?
[02:30] <WinCamXP> is anybody there? I really need help
[02:30] <ubuntu> Hmm, good luck to you, I am a TOTAL newbie, so I cannot offer real help, but I am here because I have display problems with Ubuntu 11.10 (never before), and Kubuntu 11.10 seems much better.
[02:30] <ubuntu> I sometimes get good responses at Launchpad.
[02:30] <WinCamXP> what kind of display issues?
[02:31] <ubuntu> The screen dims with inactivity and does not return to brightness.
[02:31] <WinCamXP> hmm, maybe it's your graphics driver?
[02:32] <WinCamXP> well, I'm gonna restart since I just installed a new graphics driver
[02:32] <WinCamXP> let's see if this one works any better
[02:34] <ubuntu> Good luck to you. I think my root cause might be here: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=661656 Like I said of no help to you.
[03:05] <renosis> I just installed kubuntu yesterday, and I am copying all my backed up data (from old computer) and I see I can pause the copy job, however, I need to restart, will I be able to resume it if I restart?
[03:06]  * szal doesn't think so
[03:06] <renosis> darn.... I suppose I can just copy it all again and just not overwrite everything that is already copied
[03:09] <renosis> szal, thanks, gonna go try it
[05:05] <wxf> 1
[05:05] <wxf> 2
[05:05] <wxf> 3
[05:05] <wxf> 4
[05:05] <wxf> 5
[05:05] <wxf> 6
[05:05] <wxf> 6
[05:07] <Bsims> Ok I got kde 4.6.5 with the the lts version of ubuntu upgrade
[05:49] <nuxil> is kde3 still availeble for buntu 11.10 ? i really hate kde4. and gnome is even worse.
[05:50] <bazhang> nuxil, there is a PPA iirc
[05:51] <nuxil> PPA ?
[05:52] <Bsims> nuxil: look up trinity
[05:52] <cortex_sk> nuxil: http://trinitydesktop.org/installation.php
[05:52] <Bsims> its a fork of kde 3.0
[05:53] <nuxil> ok
[05:53] <Bsims> that said newest kde is pretty sweet
[05:53] <Bsims> finaly on a par with the 3.x series
[05:54] <nuxil> kde4 it waay too pimped imo. i dont like it at all.
[05:55] <Bsims> I turn off most of the eyecandy
[05:55] <Bsims> nuxil: truth be told I am talking to ya through a urxvt virtual terminal running gnu screen and irssi
[05:55] <nuxil> ^^
[05:56] <Bsims> heh I am happy with wmaker
[05:56] <Bsims> love how it handles icons
[05:57] <Bsims> love automagic till I got to fix it
[05:57]  * Bsims started with linux when xfree was still around
[05:58] <Bsims> it did what I wanted it to, because it didn't even try to guess at it
[05:58]  * Bsims sighs get off my lawn
[05:58]  * Bsims mutters up hill bothways in the snow
[07:26] <orp> hi there ?
[07:26] <orp> i have install kubuntu-full on top of ubuntu basic instalation but i don't have bootsplash
[07:27] <orp> what is the bootsplash software to kubuntu ?
[07:28] <phiscribe> i think you mean kdm
[07:29] <orp> no that is ok
[07:30] <orp> is the grafic boot i whant to cover all the leters when it boot s
[08:22] <orp> I found thank you
[09:29] <Daskreech> orp: Plymoth?
[10:22] <bastiaan_> ...
[10:46] <googol> hi
[11:13] <john___> Bonjour, désolé de déranger mais comment fait on pour changer de serveur IRC avec Quassel IRC s'il vous plait ? Je débute et je galère pas mal
[11:14] <john___> Bonjour, désolé de déranger mais comment fait on pour changer de serveur IRC avec Quassel IRC s'il vous plait ? Je débute et je galère pas mal
[13:43] <kamilnadeem> Hi
[13:45] <kamilnadeem> I have created a bug on Kubuntu-website ,about it being not updated. you might help in bringing it to notice . here https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-website/+bug/893997
[14:23] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[15:18] <h31> Hi all. it is possible to try kde 4.8 in kubuntu 11.10?
[15:19] <BluesKaj> h31,  is there a ppa ?
[15:20] <h31> BluesKaj: I found only 4.7 in kubuntu-ppa.
[15:22] <BluesKaj> is there any documentation that 4.8 is available, because I haven't seen any ?
[15:23] <BluesKaj> I'm on 12.04 and the default is still 4.7.3
[15:27] <h31> BluesKaj: http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.8-beta1.php
[15:53] <LuizAngioletti> KDM login problem. I have network authentication with LDAP, but I can't connect with the local user (user name: localuser), which is not remotetly authenticated or home-mounted.
[15:56] <LuizAngioletti> pastebin of kdm's log: http://pastebin.com/zfzQ0Ddz
[15:57] <LuizAngioletti> oddly enough, the same error shows when I login (successfully) with the remotly authenticated user.
[16:07] <LuizAngioletti>  can anyone help
[16:07] <LuizAngioletti> ?
[16:10] <yagami> hi
[16:11] <peace> hi
[16:12] <BluesKaj> LuizAngioletti, are you saying the login page isn't opening so you're logging in via the tty prompt ?
[16:13] <LuizAngioletti> BluesKaj: No. The login screen shows up, I try to login, it shows a blank and turns back to the kdm login screen
[16:14] <LuizAngioletti> sometimes even hanging the machine.
[16:14] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: kde version ?
[16:14] <Peace-> BluesKaj: :P
[16:15] <BluesKaj> hey Peace-
[16:15] <LuizAngioletti> Even if I'm using the KDM only to login in GNOME?
[16:15] <LuizAngioletti> (we have both here...)
[16:15] <BluesKaj> LuizAngioletti, are you getting a dbus error ?
[16:15] <LuizAngioletti> that's what in the pastebin
[16:15] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: pastebin link?
[16:15] <LuizAngioletti> pastebin of kdm's log: http://pastebin.com/zfzQ0Ddz
[16:17] <BluesKaj> ibus error ...forgot what i did to fix it
[16:18] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: nvidia?
[16:18] <LuizAngioletti> lspci says Intel compatible
[16:19] <LuizAngioletti> peace: lspci says Intel compatible
[16:19] <LuizAngioletti> sorry
[16:19] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: lspci says Intel Corporation 82G33/G31
[16:19] <Peace-> mm
[16:20] <LuizAngioletti> r u thinking it might be driver related?
[16:20] <Peace-> no
[16:20] <Peace-> it's a bug
[16:20] <LuizAngioletti> If so... then why the remote logged users can use the PC as nothing would be wrong?
[16:20] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: known bug?
[16:21] <Peace-> yes
[16:21] <Peace-> i guess there is a solution
[16:21] <Peace-> but i magooglin right now
[16:21] <LuizAngioletti> do you have some resource I can check?
[16:22] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: Bus::open: Can not get ibus-daemon's address.
[16:22] <Peace-> google this
[16:22] <LuizAngioletti> ok
[16:23] <BluesKaj> LuizAngioletti, there seems to be a solution with installing kdebase-workspace-bin on one of the forums here : http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1462745.html
[16:26] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: mmm you have ppa?
[16:26] <LuizAngioletti> what is that?
[16:26] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: What is that?
[16:27] <Peace-> what kind of kde you have?
[16:27] <Peace-> kde 4.7 ?
[16:27] <Peace-> 4.7.3 ?
[16:28] <LuizAngioletti> How do I find out?
[16:28] <Peace-> run a kde software
[16:28] <Peace-> go on help menu
[16:28] <Peace-> version
[16:29] <LuizAngioletti> KDE 4.4.5
[16:29] <Peace-> mm quite old
[16:29] <LuizAngioletti> Ubuntu 10.4.3 LTS
[16:29] <Peace-> ah
[16:29] <LuizAngioletti> Ubuntu 10.04.3 LTS
[16:30] <LuizAngioletti> actually, Kubuntu. =)
[16:31] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: btw you login via kdm and then you get back to kdm?
[16:31] <Peace-> right?
[16:32] <LuizAngioletti> right
[16:32] <reservado> Hi
[16:32] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: when you have choose another desktop enviroment ?
[16:32] <Peace-> choosen
[16:32] <reservado> i have problems to setup wireless connection, any one can help??
[16:32] <Peace-> reservado: ask don't ask to ask
[16:33] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: If I startx at the CLI, I get a working session with the default (last used) Window Manager, which in this case is GNOME
[16:33] <reservado> Then ... i just installed kubuntu 11.10 in a laptop, but can not connect to wireless
[16:34] <Peace-> reservado: open a konsole
[16:34] <Peace-> reservado: type : iwconfig
[16:34] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: (for that localuser, of course)
[16:34] <Peace-> !paste | reservado
[16:34] <reservado> filled all fields on applet and on interfaces file, but can not connect
[16:35] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: so basically it doesn't work only for kde?
[16:36] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: no. It doesn't work for any WM... Remember that if I start it via startx from the CLI, the system doesn't need authentication... so I don't go through KDM
[16:36] <LuizAngioletti> (or I think so... =)
[16:36] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: using gdm ? the problem is ther?
[16:37] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: i'd have to check. Just a sec
[16:38] <BluesKaj> LuizAngioletti, did you try installing kdebase-workspace-bin?
[16:39] <LuizAngioletti> BluesKaj: checking the packages...
[16:39] <LuizAngioletti> BluesKaj: installed.
[16:39] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: please check with gdm
[16:39] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: I'm trying to startx at another tty with the command: "startx -- :1" so I can try to log in with GDM
[16:40] <Peace-> so i can understand if it's a problem of your distro or only of kde installation
[16:40] <LuizAngioletti> But when I log out, the session closes.
[16:40] <LuizAngioletti> is there a way to make it more "permanent"? So I can use the same startx session to re-login?
[16:40] <Peace-> do a normal login please
[16:40] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: ok, then I'll be right back. =)
[16:41] <reservado> ok pasted at http://paste.ubuntu.com/749434/
[16:42] <Peace-> reservado: ok do the same with this command line
[16:42] <Peace-> reservado: sudo iwlist wlan0  scan
[16:42] <reservado> ok
[16:45] <reservado> 11 cells (want every data or just mine)?
[16:47] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: Ok. Here's what I did:
[16:47] <Peace-> reservado: all
[16:47] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: I changed the "default-display-manager" to gdm. Logged in as some remote user, it went OK, logged in with the localuser, it also went OK.
[16:48] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: so it's a problem of kde installation
[16:48] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: changed back to kdm. Logged with the localuser... same problem. Logged with the remote user (the one I'm logged in as now), OK
[16:48] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: What do you suggest?
[16:49] <Peace-> you could reinstall all kde software
[16:49] <LuizAngioletti> via apt-get?
[16:49] <Peace-> but i don't thing it will help
[16:49] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: is there a meta-package?
[16:49] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: before with kde it worked normally ?
[16:49] <LuizAngioletti> yes.
[16:49] <Peace-> ok
[16:49] <Peace-> sudo adduser kdetest
[16:49] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: it worked normally until i rigged the system for remote LDAP login
[16:50] <Peace-> sudo adduser kdetest admin
[16:50] <Peace-> sudo adduser kdetest audio
[16:50] <Peace-> sudo adduser kdetest video
[16:50] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: is all that for me?
[16:50] <BluesKaj> LuizAngioletti, if you installed kde packages on the gnome repos , you also need to install kubuntu-desktop
[16:51] <LuizAngioletti> BluesKaj: thx. =)
[16:51] <LuizAngioletti> BluesKaj: do you think it will help?
[16:51] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: yes
[16:52] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: you need to create a new user for testing
[16:52] <Peace-> then you add that user to every normal grups
[16:52] <LuizAngioletti> ok
[16:52] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: done. =)
[16:52] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: for groups in  adm disk dialout fax voice cdrom floppy tape audio video plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare ; do sudo adduser kdetest $groups ; done
[16:52] <Peace-> this should add your new user to every groups
[16:53] <BluesKaj> LuizAngioletti, it should tie all your kde packages to the kubuntu desktop environment
[16:53] <Peace-> if you have done ...
[16:53] <Peace-> you should exit and test using the newuser if you have your prolbem or not
[16:53] <LuizAngioletti> Peace
[16:53] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: I'll do that. =)
[16:54] <LuizAngioletti> brb
[16:55] <BluesKaj> BBL, stuff to do
[16:56] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: apparently it is an user problem...
[16:56] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: I logged in OK with the newly created local user (kdetest)
[16:57] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: should I remove some ."config" folder from the localuser user?
[16:57] <LuizAngioletti> =P
[17:00] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: mv $HOME/.kde $HOME/.kdeold
[17:00] <LuizAngioletti> that one was the first one I removed. =P
[17:01] <LuizAngioletti> after the problem show'd up
[17:01] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti:  wait
[17:01] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: =P
[17:01] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: ok.
[17:01] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: I thought about .cache...
[17:02] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: but I'd have log out for testing.
[17:02] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: so.. I'm waiting. =P
[17:02] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: try to rename .dbus
[17:02] <Peace-> in your home
[17:02] <LuizAngioletti> ok
[17:02] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: brb
[17:06] <reservado> look at http://imagebin.org/185610 - http://imagebin.org/185611 - http://imagebin.org/185612 - http://imagebin.org/185613 - http://imagebin.org/185614 - http://imagebin.org/185615
[17:07] <Peace-> reservado: ahahahaha you have done pictures hahahaha
[17:07] <Peace-> omg man
[17:08] <reservado> sure try to write but i'm tired right now
[17:08] <BluesKaj> reservado, it's mostly unreadable
[17:08] <Peace-> reservado: you don't need to write
[17:08] <Peace-> reservado: btw ... you card works!
[17:08] <reservado> yeah
[17:09] <Peace-> reservado: kde version ?
[17:09] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: no effect.
[17:09] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: I'll keep trying to rename related folders and see what I get.
[17:09] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: ok one of them it's the issue
[17:10] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: it could be even be a hidden "file" on your home
[17:10] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: i would create a new user ...
[17:10] <Peace-> and stop
[17:11] <reservado> KDE 4.7.1
[17:11] <Peace->  reservado: sudo apt-get install wicd-kde
[17:11] <Peace-> reservado: btw look before this http://blip.tv/PeaceForlinux/postare-uno-screenshot-velocemente-con-kde4-4894119
[17:11] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: The user is standard issue at the computer place. =) I'd be disrespecting the agreement. I'll work around. =)
[17:11] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: thx for the help, at least we narrowed the problem down.
[17:12] <Peace-> yw
[17:12] <reservado> can not find wicd-kde
[17:13] <Peace-> reservado: lsb_release -a
[17:14] <reservado> http://paste.ubuntu.com/749473/
[17:15] <Peace-> reservado: wicd-kde is present on oneric
[17:15] <Peace-> so is not possible you can't install
[17:16] <reservado> will look at conf wait
[17:17] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: What's the file .dmrc for? (He was the sucker... =P)
[17:18] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: I accidentally disconnected..
[17:19] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: If you answered, could you repeat?
[17:19] <BluesKaj> reservado, look for wicd in your package manager , it should be there
[17:20] <LuizAngioletti> Another issue: I log in with via WM (regardless of which, GNOME/KDE...). Sometimes (mostly the first time I do it after bootup) I switch to the VT and my session on the VM closes automatically. Do any of you have an idea about why that happens?
[17:20] <Peace-> reservado: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/11/25/plasma-desktopyY1384.png
[17:21] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: o wtf what are vt vm
[17:21] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: Virtual Terminal (CTRL+ALT+Fn), and VM was a mispell. =P I meant WM
[17:22] <LuizAngioletti> Have to go. I'm late for a meeting. F*K!
[17:22] <LuizAngioletti> Thx guys for the help, I'll be back sometime tomorrow.
[17:22] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: looks like you have badly installed your distro
[17:22] <LuizAngioletti> have a nice weekend.
[17:23] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: have to go, thx though;
[17:29] <BluesKaj> Peace-, these switchovers from gnome to kde aren't clean and simple , the kde factoid in the #ubuntu chat doesn't include kubuntu-desktop , which i think is a serious oversight
[17:31] <BluesKaj> ahh, they fixed the factoid , it does include kubuntu-desktop
[17:31] <Peace-> BluesKaj: mmh?
[17:32] <Peace-> factoid?
[17:32]  * Peace- is a little guy :P
[17:32] <toumbo> Hi people!!I need help!!I want a pop up(or something like this) notification for quassel every time someone say something!how should I do?
[17:33] <BluesKaj> !factoid
[17:34] <Peace-> BluesKaj: :)
[17:34] <Peace-> toumbo: i use konversation and i guess it can do that
[17:34] <Peace-> toumbo: maybe it coudl be done even on quassel
[17:35] <toumbo> Peace If for example you say my name,only then I see the pop up
[17:35] <toumbo> I want to know If I can do this every time someone speaks
[17:36] <toumbo> posts a comment here
[17:36] <Peace-> mm i guess yes
[17:36] <Peace-> you must check the configuration of your irc client
[18:15] <toumbo> with what player can I listen music inside chrome?
[18:15] <toumbo> http://live24.gr/radio/bestradio
[18:31] <BluesKaj> toumbo, you should hear it if you have your audio setup for music on your pc and if you have libflashplayer.so installed in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
[18:31] <BluesKaj> chrome looks for the flash plugin in that file
[18:33] <orated> Even in KDE 4.7.2 with Ksysguard (System monitor) is still not able to log the data to file - https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=223094
[18:33] <orated> Can anyone guide me to fix it?
[18:35] <BluesKaj> toumbo, type this in the chrome addressbar to make sure you have the the right plugins enabled, chrome://plugins/
[18:36] <BluesKaj> orated, have you checked launchpad?
[18:36] <orated> no
[18:38] <toumbo> BluesKaj no,I dont have plugins used to have in ubuntu
[18:38] <BluesKaj> orated, usually for bugs like that launchpad might have a fix
[18:39] <orated> BluesKaj: There are only three bugs related to sensors but none related to logging as far as I can see here. BTW I found this - http://lists-archives.org/kde/13436-sensorlogger-in-ksysguard-now-is-writing-on-disk-file.html - but not completely sure how to use what he did
[18:41] <BluesKaj> toumbo, install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[18:41] <toumbo> :O I forgot to think that package
[18:43] <BluesKaj> orated, is this bug causing a problem or are you just concerned that it's an error?
[18:49] <Crell> Hi all.  I have an 11.04 system I want to upgrade to 11.10.  I told it to stop bugging me about upgrading a few weeks ago, though.  How do I now tell it to go ahead and upgrade?  I don't see an option for it in KPackageKit.
[18:53] <BarkingFish> Crell: the best option now is to do this in a terminal.  Press CTRL+ALT+F1, login to the terminal and type sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:53] <BarkingFish> that should o it for you
[18:53] <BarkingFish> Crell: the best option now is to do this in a terminal.  Press CTRL+ALT+F1, login to the terminal and type sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:53] <BarkingFish> that should do it for you
[18:53] <Crell> The GUI option doesn't come back  Blargh.
[18:54] <Crell> Is doing it from a separate vterm necessary, or can I do it from a GUI terminal?
[18:54] <BarkingFish> i tried to do it from konsole, and it didn't work so well. I found it better to do from the vterm, but you're welcome to try from konsole :)
[18:55] <Crell> I've had enough bumpy upgrades in the past.  I'll do it the safe way if I can. :-)
[18:55] <BarkingFish> it's not possible to upgrade through kpackagekit anyhow, there were numerous bugs filed over it
[18:55] <Crell> Oh.  Good thing I waited, then.
[18:56] <Crell> OK, off to break stuff.  Thanks.
[18:56] <BarkingFish> kpackagekit disappears in 11.10
[18:56] <BluesKaj> Crell, just open a konsole /terminal and type , sudo do-release-upgrade , however if you have any ppas in /etc/apt/sources.list.d remove them as root
[18:56] <Crell> I don't believe I have any PPAs.
[18:56] <BarkingFish> it's replaces with a program called apper, Crell - same prog, slightly different layout
[18:56] <BarkingFish> *replaced
[18:56] <Crell> BluesKaj: What's the difference between that and aptitude dist-upgrade?
[18:57] <Crell> BarkingFish: Ah, Linux...
[18:57] <BluesKaj> Crell, none really as long as your version of aptitude is up to date
[18:57] <Crell> OK, cool.
[18:57] <Crell> Thanks folks.
[18:58] <BluesKaj> reservado, don't dist-upgrade works as an OS upgrade anymore anyway
[18:58] <orated> BluesKaj: Its a bug. Its causing problem. I'm concerned why its causing error
[18:58] <BarkingFish> i'll be back in a moment, kdm is being silly :)
[18:59] <BluesKaj> oops reservado sorry wrong guy ...KB is acting up again
[19:00] <BluesKaj> too late for Crell's correction ...but he'll probly be back with "doesn't work"
[19:01] <BluesKaj> BBL, stuff to do
[19:02] <reservado> wicd-kde is on universe repo, so i can not install it from cd
[19:09] <Crell> I'm back.
[19:09] <Crell> OK, so trying to run dist-upgrade, or do-release-upgrade, Apt tells me that there's nothing to upgrade.  Yet I am quite sure I'm on 11.04, not 11.10.
[19:10] <Crell> Is there something else I have to do first?
[19:10] <BluesKaj> Crell, lsb_release -a
[19:10] <Crell> 11.04 natty
[19:11] <genii-around> Crell: Make sure /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades  contains Prompt=normal     and not something like Prompt=lts or Prompt=never
[19:11] <BluesKaj> always do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade first then, do-release-upgrade
[19:12] <Crell> It's prompt normal.
[19:13] <Crell> BluesKaj: Yep, did that.  No change.
[19:13] <genii-around> Crell: Do you have some packages pinned?
[19:13] <Crell> I don't believe so.
[19:14] <Crell> This is a fairly mundane 11.04 install from around September.
[19:14] <Crell> I've not done anything fancy with it.
[19:14] <genii-around> Crell: Is there a file ( not directory ) of /etc/apt/preferences  ..? If so then pastebin contents
[19:15] <Crell> It doesn't help that my connection seems unstable today, either...
[19:16] <genii-around> ( if some package is being held at a certain version it will prevent dist-upgrade or do-release-upgrade )
[19:17] <Crell> Should I just update my sources.list file to say oneric instead of natty and then let it roll?  Or would that break stuff?
[19:17] <genii-around> Breakage will follow if you do that
[19:17] <Crell> Lovely.
[19:17] <Crell> How do I check for pinned apps?
[19:17] <phiscribe> Crell read the release notes for 11.10, there are some gotcha's outlined
[19:18] <phiscribe> for upgrades that is
[19:18] <genii-around> Crell: I think i just went into this. If you have pinned apps, it's the /etc/apt/preferences file which says in it what app and so on
[19:18] <Crell> genii-around: My connection crapped out, so I may not have seen it.
[19:18] <Crell> genii-around: /etc/apt/preferences.d is empty.
[19:18] <genii-around> Ah, I see now you did disconnect/reconnect
[19:19] <genii-around> Crell: /etc/apt/preferences FILE. So if it doesn't exist yet, you don't have any pinned packages.
[19:19] <Crell> OK, I guess I have nothing pinned then.
[19:20] <genii-around> Did you reboot yet since you ran the do-release-upgrade ?
[19:20] <Crell> No.
[19:21] <genii-around> If you ran dist-upgrade and it put a new kernel, do-release-upgrade will not run yet until you boot into the new kernel first
[19:21] <Crell> dist-upgrade didn't say I had any new packages at all.  Certainly not a new kernel.
[19:21] <Crell> I can try rebooting anyway, though.
[19:23]  * Crell goes to go all Windows on his computer...
[19:27] <Crell> Aaaand rebootdidn't fix it.
[19:27] <BluesKaj> Crell, try sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[19:28] <genii-around> BluesKaj: That would try to put him at the dev release of 12.04
[19:29]  * Crell does not want that. :-)
[19:29] <SMJ> so... what would be a good music player?
[19:29] <Crell> Although when I run that, it does a complete re-update of natty sources, and now is doing an update of oneric sources.
[19:29]  * Crell hopes it doesn't try to update anything else.
[19:30] <BluesKaj> not if he didn't get a full upgrade in the first place on 11.04 ...that's what I'm thinking
[19:30] <genii-around> Crell: So lets recap. The process is normally like:  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade.  Then it by then usually has your current version as up to date as it will be.  then: sudo do-release-upgrade      will normally work to push your current distribution to the next one in line.
[19:30] <BluesKaj> it won't , your install was never complete
[19:31] <orated> BluesKaj: Can you suggest something based on http://lists-archives.org/kde/13436-sensorlogger-in-ksysguard-now-is-writing-on-disk-file.html ?
[19:32] <BluesKaj> orated, pls explain what you can't do instead of listing errors
[19:33] <Crell> OK, so when I ran do-release-upgrade -d, it rescanned lots of natty sources, then oneric, and now is asking me if I want to upgrade after all.
[19:33] <orated> BluesKaj: As I said. Its not logging... Same thing what the bug id said and even the link above ^
[19:33] <genii-around> Crell: Do you have some non-standard repositories in your /etc/apt/sources.list file, or some PPAs listed in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directory which are for natty only or something?
[19:34] <Crell> The only one I can think of would have been chrome. It said it disabled a repo.
[19:34] <Crell> s/chrome/google chrome/
[19:34] <Crell> I think that was put in there by a package anyway, not by me.
[19:35] <BluesKaj> Crell, right your first install wasn't a complete natty install , now you can do-release-upgrade if you haven't already
[19:35] <Crell> How could it not have been?
[19:35] <Crell> It was a fresh natty install from CD.
[19:36] <BluesKaj> Crell, you still have to run udates and upgrades after the cd install , to catch the new upgrades to the existing packages
[19:37] <Crell> I've been doing that weekly for months.
[19:37]  * Crell has been using Debian/Ubuntu since 2003 or so.
[19:37] <BluesKaj> ok, then that's weird
[19:37] <Crell> Quite. :-)
[19:38] <BluesKaj> maybe a 10.10 repos was holding things back
[19:38] <Crell> Well, it seems like it should be safe to just continue with the update that do-release-update -d wants to do, right?
[19:38] <Crell> Shouldn't have been a 10.10.  Natty was a fresh install.
[19:38] <BluesKaj> including /home
[19:38] <BluesKaj> ?
[19:39] <Crell> Yes.
[19:39] <Crell> It was running SuSE before that.  I decided to wipe and start over.
[19:41] <Crell> So shall I continue, or is there something else I should check first for safety?
[19:41] <BluesKaj> Crell, well as long as it just installs oneiric packages , but it's worriesome that the -d is needed to upgrade to oneiric
[19:42] <Crell> Let me try saying no, then run it again without the -d and see what happens.
[19:42] <BluesKaj> Crell, I'm running 12.04 quite successfully btw, if that's any consolation :)
[19:42] <Crell> Hm.  No, it didn't like that.
[19:43] <Crell> BluesKaj: Yeahno.  I tried 11.10 in September when I was told that it was totally stable and ready in RC state.  It took me about an hour to realize that I didn't want to touch it yet. ;-)
[19:43] <Crell> OK, without the -d it still doesn't think there's anything to upgrade.
[19:43] <Crell> (This is why I'm doing this over a long weekend!)
[19:45] <BluesKaj> Crell, try the -d , and if it asks to install 12.04 Precise , just N
[19:46] <Crell> It doesn't specify a version, but all of the package sources it scanned were either natty or oneric.
[19:46] <Crell> So I guess i'll go for it.
[19:46] <Crell> Worse case scenario, I've got 2 days in which to wipe and reinstall. :-)
[19:47] <BluesKaj> Crell, actually 12.04 is more stable for me so far than 11.0 was
[19:47] <genii-around> If it has mixed repositories between natty and oneiric right now, thats not a good thing
[19:47] <Crell> genii-around: No, my sources.list was all natty.
[19:48] <Crell> do-release-update -d ran througha bunch of natty packages (presumably to see where I was), and then oneric (to see what I needed, I guess), and then suggested stuff to update.  Which is, I presume, what it's supposed to do.
[19:48] <Crell> So far all it's downloading is oneric packages.
[19:49] <BluesKaj> yup
[19:49] <genii-around> Crell: What about any PPAs? They would be listed in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/    directory
[19:50] <Crell> Hm.  OK, there were some in there.
[19:50] <Crell> Oh bah, apt additions are now in a .d directory too aren't they...
[19:50] <Crell> No wonder I couldn't find them.
[19:50] <Crell> Yeah, I've got one for xhprof, one for chrome, and one for something Java.
[19:51]  * BluesKaj thinks he mentioned that ppa file earlier
[19:51] <BluesKaj> sigh
[19:51] <Crell> I was used to them being in the sources.list file directly.  It didn't occur to me to look for a .d.
[19:52] <Crell> So is that going to break stuff, or will the fact that do-release-update disabled them (or so it said) be OK?
[19:53] <BluesKaj> just remove the ppas , then do-release-upgrade
[19:54] <Crell> Remove by commenting out the contents of those files?
[19:54] <BluesKaj> it's a folder containing text files with the ppa urls in them
[19:54] <Crell> Yes.
[19:55] <Crell> Delete the directory?  Rename it so it doesn't get noticed?
[19:55] <BluesKaj> remove the text files
[19:55] <Crell> Aren't I going to need them again later?
[19:56] <BluesKaj> or cut and paste them to a /home user folder
[19:56] <Crell> OK, copied.
[19:56] <BluesKaj> those pppa repos have to be upgraded to oneiric anyway
[19:56] <BluesKaj> no cut noit copy
[19:57] <Crell> Copied and deleted the orignal.
[19:57] <BluesKaj> ok
[19:57]  * Crell is working on command line.
[19:57] <Crell> Trying again.
[19:57] <Crell> Hm.
[19:57] <Crell> It still says no new release found.
[19:57] <BluesKaj> proibly need to update before doing the release upgrade
[20:03] <Crell> Nope.
[20:03] <Crell> Restored my sources.list file, aptitude update && aptitude upgrade && do-release-upgrade => no new release available
[20:04] <reservado> i dont'n have internet connection, so there are some way to configure wlan from command line ????(can't download wicd-kde)
[20:05] <BluesKaj> Crell, try apt-get instead of aptitude
[20:05] <Crell> Same thing.
[20:05] <BluesKaj>  -d ?
[20:06] <reservado> ??
[20:06] <BluesKaj> reservado, iwconfig
[20:07] <reservado> tnx will try
[20:07] <Torch> reservado: plus wpa-supplicant. google for a tutorial
[20:09] <RoadsterGT> How to install proprietary graphics driver?
[20:10] <Crell> BluesKaj: With -d, same as before except this time it isn't saying it disabled 3rd party sources.
[20:10] <Crell> BluesKaj: Should I go ahead with it now?
[20:10] <BluesKaj> Crell, that's normal
[20:11] <Crell> OK.
[20:11] <BluesKaj> Crell, it's your call :)
[20:11]  * Crell crosses his fingers and hits Y, then goes to read stuff on his tablet instead.
 hey
 i opened kmix and i made it hide the bad that shows me settings, file etc
 how can i make it come back?
[20:16] <Torch> RoadsterGT: please do not post questions to several channels at once
[20:16] <RoadsterGT> ok
[20:16] <Darkwing> Crell, you still about?
[20:19] <BluesKaj> Darkwing, got an idea about his upgrade ?
[20:19] <Darkwing> I know him... I was driving when he messaged me lol
[20:21] <Darkwing> need to backread
[20:21] <BluesKaj> IC , he wants ti upfrade to 11.10 from 11.04 but do-release-upgrade outputs no new OSs aavialble
[20:23] <Crell> Oh hai.
[20:23] <Crell> I have the oneric packages downloading in another vterm as we speak.
[20:23] <Darkwing> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OneiricUpgrades/Kubuntu.  if you have any questions
[20:23] <Crell> Yeah, already there.
[20:23] <Crell> Doesn't tell me anything useful.
[20:24] <Darkwing> I love quassel-core and quasseldroid :D
[20:24] <Crell> The GUI option doesn't show up.
[20:24] <Darkwing> BAH...  GUI
[20:25] <Crell> :-)
[20:25] <Crell> BluesKaj: I'm the one to blame for Darkwing getting involved in open source in the first place. :-)  He and I go way back.
[20:26] <BluesKaj> Crell, cool :)
[20:29] <mithrop> hi here
[20:30] <Darkwing> oh damn... I need to finish this proposal for kubuntu getting the 5 year LTS
[20:31] <Crell> Well get on that. :-)
[20:32] <Darkwing> yeah... at my dads for Thanksgiving
[20:32] <Crell> Details, details...
[20:32] <Darkwing> so I have to steal away
[20:33] <BluesKaj> i don't trust guis for important stuff like OS upgrades ...adds "noise" to connection between me and the repos
[20:33] <mithrop> I have a little question. I was looking for /etc/X11/xorg.conf on my fresh install, but I found nothing. Somewhere, I read this file is not needed anymore. So, where are the config ? ^^ how to know what driver is running my KDE on ?
[20:35] <Crell> BluesKaj: Normally I'd agree, but that's where all of the documentation claims you should be working this way.
[20:35] <reservado> solved (configured wireless) thank you very much
[20:36] <BluesKaj> mithrop, lspci | grep VGA , then you need to lok for the driver , usually in kmenu >settings> additional drivers/recommended
[20:37] <reservado> bye
[20:38] <BluesKaj> mithrop, sorry  kmenu >system> additional drivers/recommended
[20:39] <mithrop> BluesKaj: there is no command line or file containing this information ? The "Additional drivers" windows tells me there is no special driver loaded...
[20:39] <BluesKaj> mithrop, look in the kmenu
[20:40] <BluesKaj> lspci | grep VGA , in the command line , mithrop
[20:41] <mithrop> Yes, I looked into it, found the "Additional drivers". This windows show three drivers. Only one is loaded : for my wifi card ! The lspci | grep VGA give me the model of my card, not the driver. Isn't it ?
[20:43] <BluesKaj> mithrop, the card model can clue us into finding the right driver for it
[20:43] <mithrop> BluesKaj: ok. But I just want to know what driver is actually used ;)
[20:44] <Darkwing> lsmod will list the kernel modules loaded. you can find the video drivers from there
[20:45] <Darkwing> mithrop ^^^
[20:45] <BluesKaj> yeah I was going to suggest whih make then lsmod it
[20:45] <Darkwing> if you want more info on the driver lsmod drivername
[20:46] <CaptainKnots> does anyone here run kubuntu 11.10 on a netbook?
[20:46] <Darkwing> yes
[20:46] <mithrop> Oh ok. It's seems to be "radeon". So, there is no more a file like /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[20:47] <CaptainKnots> I'm debating between kubuntu 11.10 with the lowfat settings or xubuntu 11.10 for my hp mini
[20:47] <Darkwing> no. undeveloped
[20:47] <Darkwing> oops
[20:47] <Darkwing> udev
[20:47] <Darkwing> low-fat is awesome
[20:48] <CaptainKnots> Darkwing: what's the difference?
[20:48] <Darkwing> between?
[20:48] <CaptainKnots> low-fat and normal
[20:49] <CaptainKnots> I'm running kubuntu on my desktop right now
[20:49] <mithrop> Darkwing: ok. So I can config the used driver only with a graphic way ?
[20:50] <Darkwing> lowfat turns off things and sets the settings to optimize lower settings... ill have to find the list.
[20:50] <BluesKaj> mithrop, what is your graphics ..more info is needed , radeon isn't enough info
[20:50] <Darkwing> mithrop give me a sec to find it.
[20:50] <mithrop> Darkwing: Ok thank you.
[20:51] <Darkwing> on my Droid... need to flip my lappy on.
[20:51]  * BluesKaj relaxes and backs off
[20:51] <mithrop> BluesKaj: I don't understand your question... I have a Radeon Mobility HD 4200 card. I ask how to know what driver is enabled on my system... so I can't tell you any information...
[20:52] <BluesKaj> mithrop, that's info we need to find the correct driver "Radeon Mobility HD 4200"
[20:53] <szal> should be supported by the fglrx driver
[20:54] <mithrop> BluesKaj: ?? If I reffer to the old configuration way, there is a way to know what is the driver use in this moment in my system not the driver that SHOULD BE use ;)
[20:57] <Darkwing> Okay, on laptop now.
[20:58] <Darkwing> mithrop: have you checked the kinfocenter?
[20:58] <CaptainKnots> Darkwing: where can I find the low-fat list?
[20:59] <BluesKaj> mithrop, install xserver-xorg-video-radeon
[21:01] <mithrop> Darkwing: Here I can see the information about the driver used :) Again, do you know the file where this configuration is writted ? Just to tell why I want to know it. It's just in case I made a mistake, I want to be able to came back in the old configuration only with a tty ;)
[21:02] <Darkwing> CaptainKnots: turn off desktop effects by default, changes the default window decoration style and tweaks some style-related settings, disables the auto-loading of various KDE modules such as bluedevil, the printer applet,  and some nepomuk bits. It also reduces the number of Krunner plugins that are enabled by default as well.
[21:02] <Darkwing> mithrop: ahhh...
[21:03] <mithrop> BluesKaj: ... so you don't really understand my problem :(
[21:04] <Darkwing> mithrop: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/karmic/man7/udev.7.html
[21:04] <Darkwing> It's not a straight answer per-se but, it will point you in the right direction.
[21:04] <BluesKaj> xorg.conf doesn't show which drivers is being used  , mithrop
[21:05] <mithrop> ah. A lot of time I change the value of a "Driver" property to change the used driver in the past. Last week, on a Sabayon system ;) I try to understand the way Ubuntu work :)
[21:06] <Darkwing> We switched to udev
[21:06] <mithrop> great :) I'll take a look on your man pages ;)
[21:06] <BluesKaj> you can create an xorg.conf file if you must , sudo Xorg -configure
[21:07] <Darkwing> mithrop: I know it's not the direct answer you are looking for but... I think you'll get further there.
[21:08] <genii-around> !xorgconf
[21:09] <mithrop> Thanks you genii-around. I'm just trying to understand how the system know the driver to use ^^
[21:09] <Darkwing> bbiab
[21:13] <BluesKaj> mithrop, it doesn't at first install , it usually checks the hardware and installs a lower level generic driver that will run most graphics cards of that manufacturer without desktop effects, 3d or DR. Once at he desktop for the first time then you try to install the recommended driver for your particular card , like I described previously
[21:14] <genii-around> mithrop: Usually it tries to auto-decide what open-source driver to use by what a hardware probe comes back with. If you install proprietary like nvidia or fglrx then you need to tell it in xorg.conf
[21:14] <genii-around> ( to use that one and not the system default )
[21:14] <mithrop> BluesKaj & genii-around : oh ok. so for now, the system try to detect the best driver at each boot ? Great :D
[21:15] <genii-around> The best open-source driver, yes.
[21:18] <mithrop> ok :) And so, in the "Additional drivers", the system give two proprietary drivers : one "normal" and one other "updates after the Ubuntu launch"
[21:18] <mithrop> how to know the best one ? A little test ? :)
[21:19] <BluesKaj> genii-around, I see a whole bunch of ati stuff installed on my pc yet both onboard and pci graphics are nvidia ..what gives ?
[21:19] <BluesKaj> ati graphics stuff that is
[21:20] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Is it stuff like xserver-xorg-video-ati  ? If so it's stuff got installed with main xorg
[21:20] <BluesKaj> mithrop, is ine of the drivers "recommended" ?
[21:21] <BluesKaj> genii-around, yeah , that's it , it wants to take all of X with it if i remove it :(
[21:22] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Yeah it's all part of the main xserver-xorg install.
[21:22] <BluesKaj> ok , so I'll just leave it then
[21:28] <mithrop> BluesKaj: no one is marked has "Recommended"
[21:33] <BluesKaj> mithrop, is either one marked as "installed" ?
[21:33] <mithrop> I don't think so. Just writted "not activated"...
[21:35] <BluesKaj> mithrop, are both not activated ?
[21:36] <mithrop> yes :/ But in "Muon", I can see the package "xserver-xorg-video-radeon" is installed...
[21:38]  * Crell twiddles his thumbs as his computer is replaced out from under him...
[21:39] <BluesKaj> mithrop, yes that's a standard xorg install on all ubuntu systems , eben mine anbd i don't ahve any ati
[21:39] <BluesKaj> even
[21:39] <mithrop> ah ok. I will try the "normal" one :)
[21:39] <BluesKaj> mithrop, ok
[21:42] <BluesKaj> Crell, what's happening ?
[21:42] <Crell> It's installing packages.
[21:42] <BluesKaj> oneiric I hope
[21:42] <Crell> I think? :-)
[21:44] <Guest95513> how do I check for the latyest distro upgrade via konsole in ubuntu?
[21:44] <Guest95513> kubuntu*
[21:46] <genii-around> Guest95513: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:46] <Guest95513> genii-around: ty :)
[21:48] <genii-around> Guest95513: This will not jump your current version of Kubuntu to the next version yet, but it will bring your current version to the latest kernel available for it and upgrade any packages which there are updates for. It is the preparation needed for a distribution jump.
[21:49] <Guest95513> oh..
[21:49] <Guest95513> how do I upgrade to the latest?
[21:49] <Guest95513> Kubuntu 10.10
[21:53] <DarthFrog> Guest95513: What are you running now?
[21:54] <Guest95513> DarthFrog: Kubuntu 10.10 x86_64
[21:54] <genii-around> Guest95513: You will need to do the commands I described above, then: sudo do-release-upgrade  to go from 10.10 to 11.04. Then repeat the entire process to go from 11.04 to 11.10
[21:54] <DarthFrog> Then you are already running the latest & greatest.
[21:54] <DarthFrog> Oh, 10.10.  Not 11.10.  My bad.
[21:55] <Guest95513> DarthFrog: :P Greatest maybe, but not latest
[21:55] <Guest95513> genii-around: I cant go str8 from 10.10 to 11.10?
[21:56] <DarthFrog> Guest95513:  do the dist-upgrade as genii-around told you.  Then  "sudo do-release-upgrade".
[21:56] <genii-around> Guest95513: Thats correct. If you are on LTS versions, you can go to next LTS version, but you aren't on 10.04 and 12.04 isn't out yet anyhow
[21:56] <Guest95513> ah
[21:56] <Guest95513> Cool
[21:57] <DarthFrog> Guest95513:  that should take you to 11.04.  Then rinse, lather and repeat. :-)
[21:57] <Guest95513> :P
[22:08] <Crell> yay, upgrade complete.  Restarting.
[22:08] <Crell> Wish me luck!
[22:17] <Crell> Am I here?
[22:17] <BluesKaj> yup
[22:17] <BluesKaj> tty ?
[22:17] <Crell> No, GUI came up no problem.
[22:18] <BluesKaj> good
[22:19]  * Crell kicks the tires.
[22:45] <Crell> Yay, flash works again.  I think that's a yay, anyway...
[22:45] <Crell> Hm, although I can't seem to unfullscreen Firefox now.
[22:45] <Crell> There we go.
[22:48] <Darkwing> working Crell?
[22:48] <Crell> seems to be.
[22:48] <Darkwing> whoot.
[22:55] <genii-around> Crell: So far, so good :)
[22:55] <Crell> KMail seems to be having a few issues.  As always...
[22:56] <Crell> Fatal error on startup, "Failed to fetch the resource collection."
[22:56] <Crell> Whatever that means.
[22:56] <Darkwing> yes... kmail has more issues this time around.
[22:56]  * Crell sighs.
[22:56] <Darkwing> we are working on it. :/
[22:56] <Crell> I want to use Kmail, I really do.
[22:56] <Crell> But I've been using TBird for the past 3 years because it, well, works.
[22:58] <Darkwing> yup. I know that feeling
[22:58] <Darkwing> I've been using mutt for about 8 months now
[23:03] <Crell> Wow, akonadi is still trying to index mail in the background and hosing performance.
[23:04] <genii-around> Yes, i hates it


[06:16] <lordievader> Good morning
 16NQ
 V6NQ
[10:32] <daft_dutch> Hi, i need to setup some routing. for virt-manager. I can ping the virtual network <IP_ADDRESS> but cant ping the vm guests <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:32] <daft_dutch> I think i need to set some routing on the vm host but dont know whaty
[10:42] <lordievader> daft_dutch: How does your network look like?
[12:21] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:23] <mikedk> HI BluesKaj
[12:24] <BluesKaj> hi mikedk
[14:54] <gebruiker> hi
[14:54] <gebruiker> I can not set another display resolution in kubuntu, it keeps reverting back on 800x600. I am running the latest lts on virtualbox
[14:55] <gebruiker> I tried installing the dkms virtualbox package and rebooted, but that did not help


[14:30] <socratesxd> uh?
[14:30] <socratesxd> what is this?
[14:31] <socratesxd> Ubuntu Studio?
[14:31] <socratesxd> is that an application?
[14:37] <socratesxd> ah, no, it's a ubuntu derivative
[15:12] <holstein> socratesxd: ubuntustudio = ubuntu pretty much
[15:13] <holstein> what are you looking for? audio production? video?


[00:23] <nalioth> newz2000: you might wish to read the Ubuntu channel guidelines  :)
[04:02] <newz2000> nalioth: I think I have but I guess I'm not sure, can you be more specific for something I should be looking for?
[10:50] <jpds> hi huats, how many I assist you?
[10:50] <huats> hi
[10:50] <huats> :)
[10:50] <huats> I am the leader of the french loco and we have so pb on our IRC... it is a freenode related pb, but I sure some of you have good connections with theur staff
[10:50] <huats> :)
[10:51] <jpds> pb?
[10:51] <huats> we are facing a very annoying pb :  on our main channel (#ubuntu-fr) we are near the ban limit
[10:52] <huats> we have already reach  that limit, and with lots of clean in it, we have some ban slot available...
[10:52] <huats> but it will just last for some time...
[10:52] <huats> we know about the +L mode, which is allowed by freenode staff
[10:53] <huats> we contacted them about that
[10:53] <huats> but they are not answering ...
[10:53] <jpds> Ah, what you need... it the +L mode yes.
[10:53] <huats> (we have deal with nalioth, who is not answering us anymore...)
[10:54] <huats> definitly
[10:54] <huats> we know by instance that our german friends has the +L mode...
[10:54] <huats> so it is possible to get it :)
[10:54] <jpds> elkbuntu: Are you around to poke staff? ^
[10:55] <huats> can anyone here, help us :)
[10:55] <huats> thanks jpds
[10:55] <jpds> huats: Yeah, I think we have to ask the IRC Council to poke staff on your behalf... which I just did.
[10:55] <huats> ok thanks
[10:59] <jpds> huats: Why is #ubuntu-fr set to private?
[11:00] <huats> jpds: let me check :)
[11:00] <jpds> Flags      : SECURE GUARD PRIVATE
[11:00] <huats> jpds: i mean, let me ask the question to one of the guy who is dealing with our irc channel :)
[11:02] <huats> jpds: one of the guy is about to come and explain :)
[11:02] <Zic> hi
[11:02] <huats> jpds: Zic is one of them :)
[11:03] <jpds> ohh, hi Zic
[11:04] <huats> Zic can you explain a bit to jpds the reason of the PRIVATE Flag on #ubuntu-fr ?
[11:05] <Zic> jpds: Long time ago (in a far far galaxy… hem, no), we are +o only when it is requires, like Freenode philosophy want it
[11:06] <jpds> Zic: You do not requiere PRIVATE to be set for that.
[11:06] <Zic> jpds: yes, I can desactivate it if you want, it just an old flag :)
[11:06] <Zic> (because new users query operators and say "please, give me operator privileges")
[11:07] <jpds> Zic: It's just that when someone tries: /msg ChanServ access #ubuntu-fr list - to ask an op for help, he/she cannot see who's an op.
[11:07] <Zic> now, we are +o when a lot of people are chating, to prevent from abuse
[11:07] <jpds> You are not authorized to perform this operation.
[11:07] <Zic> jpds: we have a !ops factoids on #ubuntu-fr which advertise us
[11:08] <Zic> but I can remove this flag, no problem
[11:09] <Zic> we have a private channel for moderator only, where users can chatting with ops about a problem of moderation
[11:09] <Zic> flag was removed now
[11:09] <jpds> Hmm, ok
[11:11] <elkbuntu> huats, is it not possible to clear some of the bans?
[11:11] <elkbuntu> huats, freenode is always reluctant to lift the limit
[11:11] <huats> elkbuntu: hi
[11:11] <Zic> elkbuntu: hi, we clean banlist all of week-ends
[11:11] <huats> elkbuntu: we already clear the list many times
[11:12] <huats> but we always get the same ones who comes back... a few days after
[11:12] <huats> and ban them again...
[11:12] <Zic> (we also clear some old bans, but sometimes users who was banned rejoin the channel, and do bad stuff…)
[11:13] <huats> elkbuntu: I can clearly understand that freenode is reluctant about lifting the limit
[11:13] <huats> but I think we prouved that we are wise in banning... the thing is that we are such a big Loco that this limit is a bit low for us...
[11:15] <elkbuntu> huats, so there's no dynamic addresses in the list?
[11:16] <Zic> elkbuntu: It is not end of week yet, but I can take a look now if you want
[11:17] <Zic> I have remove 2 bans, one dynamic IP, and an old ban
[11:18] <Zic> I don't find other dynamic bans…
[11:18] <huats> elkbuntu: regarding the dynamic/static adresse, Zic know it more than I do
[11:19] <Zic> s/dynamic bans/dynamic IP/ sorry
[11:24] <Zic> this morning, we have 41bans/50, after cleaning, we have 38 bans now
[11:24] <Zic> the limit of 50 bans is too close…
[11:28] <elkbuntu> huats, i've directed a staffer cto contact you when they have a moment
[11:28] <huats> he already did
[11:28] <huats> thanks elkbuntu
[11:28] <huats> :)
[11:28] <elkbuntu> no prob. sorry it was slow. i was cooking dinner
[11:29] <Zic> elkbuntu: thanks
[11:30] <huats> elkbuntu: no pb
[11:30] <huats> :)
[11:30] <huats> enjoy your dinner :)
[11:30] <elkbuntu> creamy honey mustard chicken and rice. i think i will enjoy ;)
[11:31] <huats> hum
[11:31] <huats> elkbuntu: don't say that I am on a diet :)
[11:32] <elkbuntu> hehe


[01:58] <daftykins> seriously are we getting trolled by folk pretending to be idiots right now?
[01:59] <daftykins> this guy can't scroll, the last one pasted his cat /etc/issue and still tries to lie about what he's running
[01:59] <cfhowlett> well that kind of trolling does require a bit of thought so ... 1 point!
[02:00] <daftykins> :D
[02:06] <wileee> must be meds call
[02:07] <cfhowlett> check the lunar cycle
[02:07] <wileee> full moon here last night
[02:08] <cfhowlett> ahhhhhhhhhhhh that explains much!
[02:09] <daftykins> doh!
[02:12] <wileee> have felt a bit vampeerish last couple of days
[02:12] <cfhowlett> I still have my Ubuntu Satanic Edition wallpapers ...
[02:14] <daftykins> just had that mjayk chewing me out in PM telling me how to be polite
[02:16] <cfhowlett> if you're not pissing SOMEONE off, you're not doing your job!
[02:16] <daftykins> hahaha
[02:17] <wileee> heh, zactly, #ubuntu-bootcamp
[02:17] <daftykins> perhaps i could be the rude drill instructor in there
[02:18] <daftykins> "now listen here maggots, this is for *buntu... i don't wanna see any Mint, elementary or debian flash drives, understand?"
[02:18] <wileee> ;)
[02:18] <cfhowlett> you do that, I'll be samuel l. jackson.
[02:18] <daftykins> deal!
[02:19] <wileee> one of the best actor's around
[02:24] <cfhowlett> daftykins, wahhh!  it's so hard!!!
[02:24] <daftykins> yeah this one is a complete asshole
[02:30] <cfhowlett> hey daftykins, he seems to really like your assistance
[02:31] <daftykins> a little... too much
[02:31] <daftykins> ;)
[02:40] <daftykins> 'reboot into windows and out of my life'
[02:41] <daftykins> think i know why nobody else was helping now :P
[02:41] <cfhowlett> I had to /ignore.  too much bandwidth for too little ROI
[02:41] <daftykins> :D
[02:41] <daftykins> i think wileee's rule about guests is a good one
[02:41] <cfhowlett> ??? explain
[02:43] <daftykins> ignore them all :D
[02:44] <cfhowlett> LOL.  okay then.
[02:46] <wileee> heh
[03:22] <daftykins> this Guest won't die
[05:35] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> cfhowletttttttttttt
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: how are you today
[09:15] <cfhowlett> hungry.  horny.  broke.  you?
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> lol
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> happy, coffee, irc
[09:17] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/libreoffice-5-1-to-start-twice-as-fast-has-ms-office-2016-interoperability-495466.shtml
[09:17] <lotuspsychje> alot of activity on libreoffice lately
[09:17] <TJ-> Shot in the arm since it escaped Oracle
[09:18] <cfhowlett> yep.  welcome activity.  still: outlook is the 800 pound gorilla locking in corporate IT departments.
[09:18] <lotuspsychje> yeah and very vulnerable
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: how you like my xenial desktop :p http://lotuspsychje.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-16-04-64bit-Development-branch-568865930
[09:21] <cfhowlett> !!!
[09:21] <cfhowlett> Halo?
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> somthing like that :p
[09:25] <cfhowlett> OK, I'm jealous, lotuspsychje.   where do I find 16.04 images?
[09:25] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: are you on 15.10?
[09:25] <cfhowlett> 14.04 but this is for my vbox
[09:25] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: i did sudo do-release-upgrade -d from wily
[09:26] <cfhowlett> cool
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[09:26] <cfhowlett> wiley ubuntustudio cloning now ...
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: doesnt work from trusty
[09:27] <cfhowlett> wiley
[09:27] <cfhowlett> I have wiley studio in vbox
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> nice
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> xenial studio in a bit :p
[09:28] <TJ-> xenial is only wily with a different name right now
[09:29] <cfhowlett> understood
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: when will first updates start to come?
[09:31] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: 31dec its alpha, will something happen before then?
[09:32] <TJ-> First operation is to clone the 15.10 archive to 16.04. Check. Then prepare the tooling changes (gcc, python version (now default 3.5 I think). Check. Then start imports and syncs from Debian
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: toolchain happenes already right
[09:33] <TJ-> Yes
[09:33] <TJ-> Hence my "Check" as in Done
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> yep
[09:34] <TJ-> There's been some holdups due to problems with ARM64 builders I think, but not sure how protracted that was/is
[09:35] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: so will updates start before 31dec alpha?
[09:35] <TJ-> Thinking of Python code, grrr, there's a simple autoconnect add-on for weechat annoying me, only a few lines of code, but I cannot see how it is failing!
[09:36] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: they'll be continuous from now on until feature freeze
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> great
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> so bit by bit, it will start acting as a xenial and loose the wily
[09:36] <TJ-> right now it is stable since its 15.10... in a day or so there will be a lot of breakage
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> nice
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> looking forward to :p
[09:37]  * lotuspsychje is ready for bug hunting
[09:41] <TJ-> I sometimes wish I could have a year WITHOUT bug hunting!
[09:42] <cfhowlett> be vewwy, bewwy quiet.  lotuspsychje is hunting bugs.
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> lol
[09:43] <TJ-> Ada has a lot to answer for! We could be hunting boogey-men!
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> windows has tons of bugs aswell, but nobody hunts lol
[09:43] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: they do, that was what I did before Linux, but it is 100x more frustrating without access to source-code, and if MS aren't interested you cannot get it fixed
[09:44] <cfhowlett> windows doesn't have millions of rabid (zealous) fans and enemies.  Look at all the bandwidth that exploded when mark changed the icon orientation, for example.
[09:45] <TJ-> I had to spend a lot of time and resources reverse-engineering code first, was expensive for clients and very time consuming
[09:46] <TJ-> Within the developer community there is a LOT of push and shove when MS changes things, thats why Windows has so much backward compatibility built in that actually holds it back
[09:47] <TJ-> API removal = user programs don't work. User cannot just recompile, has to buy latest version. Not happy. Bad Microsoft
[09:47] <TJ-> That's why MS's own 0-day fixes are so fraught; the fix may also introduce a regression in well behaved applications :)
[09:48] <TJ-> As one of the windows API devs once told me: "Windows is just layers of band aids now"
[09:48] <lotuspsychje> lol
[09:48] <TJ-> No one knows what is cruft, what is vital, any more, so they just leave well alone :)
[09:55] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:56] <lotuspsychje> hey lordievader
[09:57] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: all ok?
[09:57] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje, doing ok here. Got coffee. What about you?
[09:57] <lotuspsychje> at noon we gonna get ourselfs french frites :p
[09:58] <lordievader> Nice, nice.
[09:58] <lotuspsychje> i think ill have a mitraillete, you know what that is?
[09:58] <lordievader> No.
[09:58] <lordievader> Patatje oorlog?
[09:59] <lotuspsychje> hum holdon
[09:59] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: http://www.mora.be/inspiraties/mitraillette-hamburger-xl/
[10:00] <TJ-> Grrr, you're making the Huskies drool!
[10:00] <lordievader> Seems like a mismatch of things to me :P
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: loool
[10:02] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: lolol im googling patatje oorlog, that seems a big mismatch for me :p
[10:02] <lordievader> It is... Never had one.
[10:02] <lordievader> TJ-: I think they are trying to tell you something....
[10:03] <lordievader> :P
[10:03] <TJ-> They are!   The collie wants to chase things from 6am to midnight though
[10:09] <lordievader> Do the huskies get annoyed at the collie at times?
[10:10] <TJ-> No, they have 2 different behaviours. Silver was always playful and likes playing with Flash. Pepper was very reserved and aggressive to other dogs when we got her, but after Flash arrived he taught her how to play and she's mellowed quite a bit.
[10:11] <lordievader> That is nice :)
[10:11] <TJ-> Both Huskies are from a rescue center, adopted 6 months apart, and Flash turned up as a stray :)
[10:11] <TJ-> They're my distraction and tonic from intense hours coding and so on
[10:15] <lordievader> Like now, "Hungry, feed me!"
[10:15] <TJ-> Right but they've had breakfast so they can wait!
[10:16] <lordievader> They'll distract you until they get fed :P
[10:16] <TJ-> they've fallen asleep again :)
[10:17] <lordievader> Ah, they've gotten distracted themselves. :P
[10:21] <TJ-> It's raining - they prefer to be curled up. It's fine - they want to run
[10:25] <TJ-> Pepper has just been howling in her sleep :D
[10:27] <lordievader> Good dreams?
[10:28] <TJ-> Apparently... it sounds like someone laughing in their throat, starts me off giggling
[10:28] <TJ-> I never manage to record it though, I really need to
[10:29] <lordievader> I would like to hear that ;)
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-touch-developers-preparing-for-a-possible-rebase-on-xenial-xerus-495470.shtml
[11:40] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[11:41] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:41] <BluesKaj> hey lotuspsychje
[12:28] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett:
[12:28] <lotuspsychje> wb
[12:28]  * Nicholas says hello
[12:29] <lotuspsychje> hi Nicholas
[12:29] <Nicholas> hello lotuspsychje
[12:29] <cfhowlett> 17.10 will be a Yak but ... what KIND of Yak?
[12:29] <cfhowlett> 16.10
[12:29] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: you sure?
[12:30] <cfhowlett> Well, that's what Ms. Cleo told me so ...
[12:30] <lotuspsychje> :p
[12:32] <Nicholas> can i install ubuntu on windows x86 tablet?
[12:32] <lotuspsychje> yes
[12:32] <Nicholas> its an intel based tablet
[12:33] <Nicholas> i mean it has 64 intel cpu
[12:33] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu desktop runs on win8 based tablets, depending brand of course
[12:33] <Nicholas> its a dell
[12:33] <lotuspsychje> Nicholas: some brands might need tweaking
[12:33] <Nicholas> do these windows tablet have bios or Efi?
[12:33] <Nicholas> tablets*
[12:34] <lotuspsychje> win8 is uefi
[12:34] <Nicholas> i see
[12:50] <lotuspsychje> johnny_linuxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[12:51] <johnny_linux> woohoo
[12:51] <johnny_linux> ahoy
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> hi mate
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> hows you today
[12:51] <johnny_linux> gday
[12:51] <johnny_linux> not bad. just gearing up to fix more junk tday
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> :p
[12:52] <johnny_linux> i love when customers do self repairs, then, ack like they dont know how it became (more) broke
[12:52] <lotuspsychje> lol
[12:53] <lotuspsychje> johnny_linux: you employee at hardware pc?
[12:53] <lotuspsychje> or own store?
[12:53] <johnny_linux> i own my home biz, fix 2way radios ham/police/biz radio
[12:54] <lotuspsychje> nice
[12:54] <johnny_linux> its not bad, been here 30+ yrz, everyone knos
[12:54] <lotuspsychje> im gonna start ubuntu biz from home
[12:54] <lotuspsychje> still looking for proper house to work from
[12:54] <johnny_linux> nice, my motto is, if it comes in with windoze, it leaves ubuntu, company policy.
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> lol
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> johnny_linux: how come a radio guy got hooked with linux?
[12:56] <johnny_linux> long story short, back in 04 my w2k got hakt with best firewall, so i dled bsd 3.6 and got started there, then when ubuntu came out, i got  hookt
[12:57] <lotuspsychje> nice!
[12:57] <lotuspsychje> and still got home linux based firewall right now?
[12:57] <johnny_linux> i said 2 myself, why didnt i do this 10 yrs ago
[12:57] <lotuspsychje> oh well, whats time anyway :p
[12:58] <johnny_linux> dling a firewall w/dialup wasnt my cup of tea
[12:58] <lotuspsychje> never too late to opensource
[12:58] <johnny_linux> exactly
[12:58] <lotuspsychje> thats gonna be my spiritual purpose, convince ppl to ubuntu
[12:58] <lotuspsychje> i installed over 70 boxes with trusty by now
[12:58] <johnny_linux> i have zero pblms when they see mine work
[12:58] <johnny_linux> wow
[12:59] <johnny_linux> very good
[12:59] <lotuspsychje> and i didnt start my biz yet lol
[12:59] <johnny_linux> i charge $100.00, totally install and config, turnkey
[13:00] <lotuspsychje> nice
[13:00] <johnny_linux> ok, time to get the ball & chain on, bbl, be cool my friend
[13:01] <lotuspsychje> ok
[13:01] <lotuspsychje> cheers johnny_linux
[13:02] <johnny_linux> ikonia needs to get a job
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> lol
[13:02] <johnny_linux> i bet he strip searches his kids when they come home from school
[13:04] <lotuspsychje> !xenial
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> bbl movie time
[15:29] <lotuspsychje> ioria: hello mate
[15:29] <lotuspsychje> ioria: you have hexchat?
[15:29] <ioria> hi
[15:47] <lotuspsychje> wow 3 eol's in half n hour
[15:49] <ioria> lotuspsychje, no, xchat ... i'm nostalgic
[15:49] <lotuspsychje> ioria: add this chan to favorites :p
[15:49] <ioria> ok
[15:49] <lotuspsychje> ioria: xchat is become bad mate
[15:49] <ioria> i know....
[15:50] <ioria> i have  low res monitor... and hexchat  is not as  clearreading as xchat ....
[15:50] <lotuspsychje> ok mate :p
[15:54] <Nicholas> anyone know about cars?
[15:54] <lotuspsychje> Nicholas: ##cars does
[15:55] <lotuspsychje> but i warn you, their not very friendly
[15:55] <Nicholas> i know
[15:55] <Nicholas> they are really rude
[16:00] <johnny_linux> i do
[16:00] <johnny_linux> shoot
[16:02] <johnny_linux> Nicholas,  i have 10 mins before i have to go
[16:02] <Nicholas> well nothing , i was just wondering  why toyota landcruisers so ridiculously expensive
[16:03] <johnny_linux> lol
[16:03] <lotuspsychje> :p
[16:03] <johnny_linux> back in the 60's when japan came out with toyota, they were 1/2 the price, the usa told them to jack it up to be competitive
[16:04] <TJ-> They don't wear out, they're built to last, they're easy to service
[16:04] <johnny_linux> they were
[16:04] <TJ-> they still are; we have one on the farm and it takes a lot of stick
[16:05] <Nicholas> after all its a modernized jeep
[16:06] <Nicholas> one could buy a range rover or  mercedes for the same price
[16:06] <johnny_linux> just keep your cooling sys clean and up to date, as, heat takes the life from the motor
[16:06] <TJ-> Yes, RR doesn't do nearly as well
[16:08] <BluesKaj> mercedes are ultra expensive to repair ...parts are ridiculusly expensive and then there's the labour cost
[16:09] <TJ-> Yes; we're able to do most repairs ourselves on the LR
[16:09] <TJ-> sorry, LC
[16:10] <TJ-> we replaced the gearbox about 2 years ago, only took 1/2 a day
[16:16] <johnny_linux> huh, pretty hard to kill a gearbox, unless it had a leak
[16:18] <TJ-> depends on the kind of loads you try to make it pull :)
[16:18] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: can you recall name of the intel bios option that can block install another Os?
[16:18] <lotuspsychje> keep forgetting its name
[16:19] <lotuspsychje> ive seen that option once on a medion desktop
[16:19] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: I'm not sure I follow... I saw the discussion in #ubuntu, but that can't be a firmware issue if SO updates are apparently missing. Sounds to me like 2 installs side-by-side and 1 boots 1 time, and the other boots next, one gets the updates then boots to the 'old' one and confuses the user :)
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: not its not related to this user, just wondering its name
[16:21] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: the only thing I can think of is the boot sector virus protection; but nothing in BIOS can prevent the OS accessing the HDD itself
[16:21] <lotuspsychje> not it was called, intel something something
[16:21] <lotuspsychje> a deep bios setting somewhere
[16:21] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: are you thinking about the UEFI systems? Where the UEFI boot-loader exectuable has to be marked as 'trusted' in order to boot with it?
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: it was something else then legacy/uefi or fastboot+secureboot
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> and it was an uefi machine yes
[16:23] <lotuspsychje> i need to start writing things down grrr
[16:23] <TJ-> :D
[16:24] <lotuspsychje> let me dig into medion akoya manuals
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[17:41] <johnny_linux> lol poop
[18:14] <ioria> !imgur
[18:15] <daftykins> ? :)
[18:15] <ioria> sorry
[18:15] <daftykins> s'ok
[18:18] <ioria> there was a  guy before  who wanted  to rescue data with  photorec sorted by date , and  was told that  he couldn't  ,but now i'm trying  with testdisk (with  a usb pen)   and  it   displays  the  dates ....  maybe  i'm confused
[18:24] <OerHeks> daftykins, do you have any idea what machine motaka is using?
[18:24] <daftykins> nothing much beyond being a desktop i think
[18:24] <OerHeks> that answer i cannot find anywhere, it si a desktop, but no clue on video/cpu
[18:43] <lotuspsychje> the same guys comming over and over here again
[18:43] <lotuspsychje> confusing sometimes
[18:43] <daftykins> any in particular?
[18:43] <daftykins> motaka kinda annoys me, he/she knew the situation the other day and yet still comes back as if i was hiding a solution
[18:44] <lotuspsychje> we had alot of eol's today
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> ioria: he wanted to find the latest file he edited, not the latest created by photorec
[18:50] <ioria> lotuspsychje, i made some tests, and the date/time refer to the original files  ...
[18:50] <lotuspsychje> oh nice
[18:50] <ioria> i wanted  to show you the pic  , buti cannot go thought imgur :(
[18:50] <lotuspsychje> ioria: i like photorec alot
[18:51] <ioria> it asks  me for an account
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> ioria: i recovered data from far away ages with it
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> ioria: tinypic
[18:51] <ioria> thanks
[18:52] <BluesKaj> or users who have hybrid graphics setup , but tell us thr gpu is amd when there are 2 different makes
[18:53] <lotuspsychje> yea alot of optimus issues lately aswell
[18:53] <lotuspsychje> and tons of acpi firmware bugs on 15.04
[18:54] <BluesKaj> optimus is usually intel and nvidia which usually have a workaround, but amd and intel are a mystery to me
[18:55] <ioria> lotuspsychje, http://i66.tinypic.com/2dqplvq.png
[18:55] <lotuspsychje> ioria: nice, on lubuntu :p
[18:56] <ioria> yep
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: didnt have much amd hybrid users myself
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/snappy-ubuntu-16-04-lts-will-support-nvidia-and-amd-drivers-says-mark-shuttleworth-495462.shtml
[19:03] <BluesKaj> the nvidia 340.93 driver is working here on kubuntu 16.04
[19:03] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: nice!
[19:04] <lotuspsychje> my radeon on X800 Ati working flawless on xenial aswell
[19:04] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, are you using snapp?
[19:04] <BluesKaj> snappy  even
[19:04] <lotuspsychje> no
[19:05] <lotuspsychje> its more for 'things' so ill dont play with it
[19:05] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: more interesting will be OTA8 on my bq phone
[19:05] <lotuspsychje> xenial and unity8 on mir
[19:05] <lotuspsychje> in 2 weeks i think
[19:06] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, wow, ATI ...still runs fine, good to hear :-)
[19:06] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: yes and my card is oldddddd X800 lol
[19:06] <lotuspsychje> payed like 500$ back in the days
[19:06] <BluesKaj> well lotuspsychje if it works...
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> sure
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> it boots faster then my new netbook lol
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> on transcend 8gig
[19:07] <BluesKaj> cool
[19:08] <lotuspsychje> i refuse to throw away working hardware
[19:08] <BluesKaj> agreed, absolutely
[19:08] <lotuspsychje> ecologic 2nd life ubuntu machines :p
[19:09] <BluesKaj> heh  my car is 10yrs old, still runs fine ...knocks on wood :-)
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> wich brand
[19:10] <BluesKaj> forf taurus
[19:10] <BluesKaj> err ford
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> my father had a renault R4 he drove 20 years with it
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> we went to norway on vacation with thet car
[19:10]  * BluesKaj nods
[19:11] <BluesKaj> 92K Km so we'll keep ir for a few more yrs
[19:11] <lotuspsychje> :p
[19:13] <BluesKaj> we're both retired on fixed income
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: maybe in few years we fly in ubuntu snappy drones
[19:14] <BluesKaj> heh
[19:14]  * lotuspsychje throws an ubuntu spider in johnny_linux's neck
[19:15] <daftykins> don't wake that guy up again! he'll talk politics all night!
[19:15] <lotuspsychje> loool
[19:16] <OerHeks> I like politicians ..
[19:16] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:16] <lotuspsychje> burried alive
[19:16] <OerHeks> .. raw, medium and really really done.
[19:16] <lotuspsychje> wahahaha
[19:16]  * BluesKaj has had enough of politics for a while ...just had a federal election here
[19:17] <OerHeks> did you get voted, BluesKaj ?
[19:17] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:17] <BluesKaj> I didn't run for office
[19:18] <BluesKaj> country was smitten by Trudeau-mania
[19:39] <lotuspsychje> active support day :p
[19:40] <lotuspsychje> just how we like
[19:41] <OerHeks> starting with "#ubuntu-server send me over here"  is not my cup-of-tea
[19:41] <lotuspsychje> yeah i dont like that neither
[19:41] <lotuspsychje> you thinbk they did that?
[19:41] <OerHeks> now ranting about services, KFKG
[19:42] <OerHeks> nope, i hang there too
[19:42] <lotuspsychje> hmmz
[19:42] <daftykins> that KFKG fellows company is about to make some serious mistakes
[19:42] <OerHeks> not comming to the point ..
[19:42] <daftykins> wanted to disable the RAID 1? :(
[19:43] <OerHeks> yeah, that one gives me the itch
[20:28] <lotuspsychje> there we go again @ black screens
[20:28] <lotuspsychje> grrrr
[20:31] <daftykins> indeed
[20:31] <daftykins> what've all the wily ones been so far? bad drivers?
[20:32] <lotuspsychje> alot of optimus users without right combination
[20:32] <lotuspsychje> wrong driver without nvidia-prime installed
[20:34] <daftykins> ah har
[20:34] <daftykins> perhaps nvidia-prime isn't correctly in as a dependancy?
[20:35] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: i think it gets installed, when selecting right nvidia driver
[20:36] <lotuspsychje> problem is ubuntu chooses opensource one as default
[20:36] <daftykins> oh right, ah well that's always the case yeah
[20:37] <lotuspsychje> most users get nice combo with nvidia-prime + 331 or 340 nvidia (example)
[20:37] <lotuspsychje> i dont like thos hybrid grafix
[20:37] <daftykins> they're more trouble than they're worth, even in Windows really
[20:38] <lotuspsychje> they should make clean bios option enable/disable
[20:38] <lotuspsychje> why make an nvidia and the use the intel cpu one?
[20:38] <lotuspsychje> makes no sense not to use best card
[20:38] <daftykins> sure it does, you keep the intel for battery life
[20:39] <daftykins> my own laptop is a sandybridge era with optimus, it does 8-10hrs battery with the intel only
[20:39] <lotuspsychje> right
[20:39] <daftykins> there are so many different implementations of optimus though that it's a mess
[20:41] <lotuspsychje> ive quit gaming after they invented all those expensive monster cards
[20:41] <lotuspsychje> sli, quad,..
[20:41] <lotuspsychje> pffff
[20:41] <daftykins> well nvidia-optimus is just the nvidia hybrid yeah :)
[20:41] <daftykins> nothing to do with multi-GPU
[20:42] <lotuspsychje> yeah i know
[20:42] <lotuspsychje> just dont like multi nothing
[20:42] <lotuspsychje> but thats just my opinion :p
[20:43] <lotuspsychje> multiboot..lol
[20:43] <daftykins> :)
[20:43] <daftykins> yeah, that never works because you always end up neglecting one OS for the other
[20:44] <lotuspsychje> indeed
[20:44] <lotuspsychje> and save nice ssd space for the best os: UBUNTU
[20:50] <daftykins> er newp
[20:50]  * daftykins glances into the channel where folk have audio issues, graphics issues, wifi not working...
[20:50] <lotuspsychje> lolz
[20:50] <daftykins> :)
[20:51] <lotuspsychje> the most active irc channel of the world
[20:51] <lotuspsychje> ppl asking all kind of stuff here
[20:51] <daftykins> 'cause their OS doesn't work out of the box *whistle*
[20:51] <lotuspsychje> loool
[20:52] <daftykins> nah in honesty i do believe they're all a mess, so don't get me wrong :)
[20:52] <daftykins> ok i really need to get some food started!
[20:52] <lotuspsychje> bon apetit mate
[20:53] <daftykins> ty :) this one is going to take 50 minutes though :(
[20:53] <lotuspsychje> oh oh
[20:53] <lotuspsychje> filled turkey for halloween?
[20:55] <daftykins> halloween was never a thing for me growing up, as it goes
[20:55] <lotuspsychje> neither here
[20:56] <lotuspsychje> i just like pumpkin soup
[20:56] <daftykins> :D
[21:03] <lotuspsychje> nite nite all
[21:20] <wileee> heh the daily  ignore list builds
[21:26] <daftykins> indeed!
[21:33] <daftykins> wileee: aww you'll have to ignore me too, since i'm on Windows :)
[21:34] <wileee> I use windows it's the misspelling that is offensive
[21:34] <daftykins> ah
[21:34] <wileee> os is an os here
[21:35] <daftykins> :)
[21:35] <daftykins> i misread
[21:35] <wileee> heh, well I'm a bit generalized at times
[21:36] <wileee> That user their helping needs personal help local really, than they will be set, you have to stop helping sometimes.
[21:37] <wileee> an opinion though I realize, ;)
[21:37] <daftykins> yeah some definitely are impossible to use as an intermediary between us and their broken stuff :D
[21:38] <wileee> lol, so true
[21:38] <daftykins> the one last night that couldn't scroll the IRC chat to see my earlier commands?
[21:38] <daftykins> i was ready to commit murder :(
[21:43] <wileee> always nice, the st guy has no clue on how to really help, all ego no substance
[21:50] <EriC^^> :D
[21:50] <daftykins> \o/
[21:50] <daftykins> EriC^^: https://youtu.be/r0qBaBb1Y-U?t=69
[21:50] <daftykins> oop my oven!
[21:50] <EriC^^> hahahaha
[21:51] <EriC^^> xD
[21:52] <wileee> phil collins really a great drummer self taught and played in tech rock early on, his singing is an acquired taste however, ;)
[21:52] <wileee> funny ref though
[21:59] <daftykins> if i didn't disbelieve in its' usage, i could alias sudo to sususudio :D
[22:01] <wileee> heh, I saw lately that phil is a scholar on the civil war I think it was.
[22:01] <wileee> to much free time there
[22:02] <daftykins> :D
[22:08] <johnny_linux> ican seeit in the air2nite
[22:08] <johnny_linux> lets talk politics
[22:08] <johnny_linux> puhleeze
[22:10] <wileee> world or local heh
[22:10] <johnny_linux> obamanomics
[22:10] <johnny_linux> el oh el
[22:10] <johnny_linux> gimme gimme gimme
[22:10] <wileee> heh, I like the big T wont leave IOWA, and wont talk to them if not supported
[22:11] <johnny_linux> ya
[22:11] <johnny_linux> that debate was trash, typical controlled media
[22:12] <wileee> He has a big force in Carson, who is being sure to not play a American sterotype, while trump plays one all the way
[22:12] <wileee> didn't see the debate though
[22:12] <johnny_linux> ci like both of them, they both have good strong points
[22:13] <johnny_linux> carson is simple and the mnedia cant handle a brain surgeon being a non politician running
[22:13] <wileee> sure, in truth I like bernies message, however this is not his rhetoric, it's been around a long time and is supported statistically and has truth in it.
[22:14] <johnny_linux> one thing is 4 sure, we dont need another bush/clinton dynasty
[22:14] <johnny_linux> ever watch money masters ?
[22:15] <wileee> looks like a psych op's contest to me really, from the tinfoil hat room
[22:15] <wileee> the book of job on earth
[22:15] <johnny_linux> ya, kinda
[22:15] <wileee> humanity as job, heh,
[22:16] <johnny_linux> but but but, job was a righteous man
[22:16] <daftykins> mikhail is close to being the latest ignore
[22:16] <wileee> I 'magnostic however, one of my favorite books is the answer to job by Carl Jung
[22:17] <wileee> I'm*
[22:17] <johnny_linux> i like the book of enoch/jasher/of giants
[22:18] <wileee> johnny_linux, Yes Job was honorable, inspite of a borderline personality wager by the powers
[22:18] <johnny_linux> the powers of his so called friends were condescending
[22:18] <daftykins> sigh you're ruining this channel again :(
[22:19] <johnny_linux> yes, pay the fee
[22:19] <johnny_linux> you dont always have to be the center of attention
[22:19]  * wileee whistles I'm a little buttercup
[22:19] <johnny_linux> doh
[22:20] <johnny_linux> ima little teapot
[22:20] <daftykins> that's not what i'm getting at, i'm not 12 you know... i just can't stand your constant politics bs :P
[22:20] <daftykins> this is the place i rant about #ubuntu damn it! :)
[22:21] <johnny_linux> then act like it, you seem to have the urge to run things where ever you land, and, when it does not suit you, you play marter
[22:21] <johnny_linux> youre very condescending to the users also
[22:22] <daftykins> try helping once and you might get that way too.
[22:22] <johnny_linux> people are new to linux, they dont know it all like some do.
[22:22] <daftykins> very odd comments from you seeing as this is a first encounter
[22:22] <daftykins> last nights didn't know how to use a scrollbar, you can act as righteous as you like but there's a line for everyone.
[22:22] <daftykins> i suggest you remove your head from your posterior and grow up.
[22:23] <johnny_linux> gat a job son.
[22:23] <wileee> johnny_linux, Dude no ones cares for your opinion.
[22:24] <wileee> excellent a member in perm ignore n ice
[22:24] <daftykins> gat as in gun? :)
[22:24] <daftykins> another teenager i see.
[22:26] <wileee> we would all be calm if we got calm responses as a mean ever, lol
[22:26] <johnny_linux> take lessons fron tj and lotus, both help and are extremely polite as well as go out of their way till things are repaired
[22:27] <daftykins> as have i for years, you obviously haven't been here for long.
[22:27] <johnny_linux> it took all but 5 mins
[22:27] <daftykins> now, try helping yourself for a change instead of sitting, watching and judging
[22:28] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[22:28] <wileee> howdee
[22:28] <daftykins> heya \o
[22:29] <pauljw> :)
[23:39] <daftykins> and another happy customer
[23:40] <Bashing-om> You do good .
[23:43] <wileee> a smattering of applause from the greek chorus
[23:43] <wileee> ;)
[23:44] <wileee> next opponent has half a brain and one hand..................go
[23:45] <Bashing-om> I am learning, pick my punishment carefully .
[23:46] <wileee> yeah, me to, I want to be calm and respectful, and have my limitations.
[23:47] <wileee> just the extras energy from it is useless for me, plenty of it I'm dispersing in my real life
[23:48] <Bashing-om> uh huh, no joy taken, little given out then .
[23:49] <wileee> Not really I mean, not attaching to the drama, I do volunteer work, helping the homeless at work and an org
[23:51] <Bashing-om> The 'drama' adds little to the solution, in my own opinion .
[23:52] <wileee> yeah, hard for me to not fall into the pit at times, getting better really by watching those I see here doing the right thing.
[23:55] <wileee> it's all ego here, or lack of, heh
[23:56] <Bashing-om> well, me I am for what I can learn, and glad to help as I pass by .
[23:57] <wileee> me to, I try to stay out of the way of good help and wasting others time mainly, any computer stuff I know is all hobby for me.
[23:58] <wileee> could probably make some money just doing installs, a few repairs but plenty that do this around here


[14:18] <meena> looks like even the simplest growpart test will fail, unless I dig deeper
[20:31] <holman> falcojr: nice job on that tz fix
[20:31] <falcojr> thanks!
[20:31] <holman> falcojr: i completely overlooked the fact that date was emitting in non-utc
[20:32] <holman> I saw before that we were parsing without tz, but I didn't put 2 and 2 together
[20:32] <holman> falcojr: putting up a ci change now to run unittests against alpine with a tz set
[20:32] <falcojr> sounds good
[20:46] <minimal> I'm in UTC (at least for part of the year) so it would have been hit-and-miss whether I'd see in in my local builds
[21:26] <meena> heh, i got all of my servers in UTC, but my laptop is in… minimal's TZ
[22:01] <minimal> this TZ ain't big enough for the both of us! ;-)
[22:52]  * meena should really have her own TZ
[23:34] <meena> holman: i'm not sure right now we ever actually end up in this codepath, but this seems wrong: https://gist.github.com/igalic/3c343d2766ad910ede38b7ecfea8e05e (this is caused by this line: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/main/cloudinit/distros/bsd.py#L172
[23:52] <meena> we should either just return the input at that point (bail) or raise some exception (bail very loudly)
[23:52] <meena> as it stands, we're making a call to the parent class, which is… to say, we're calling out to Linux
[23:59] <meena> to be clear, this is bogus input for that function that should never get there, but it's good I tried it, or i wouldn't have discovered that the function itself is broken in unexpected ways