[12:04] <Kingbahamut> because when I was called that
[12:04] <Kingbahamut> I became horridly confused
[12:05] <theCore> what is Automatix ? it look like the main problem
[12:05] <mdke> theCore, nononono
[12:05] <Kingbahamut> no
[12:05] <mdke> that business is a symptom
[12:05] <Kingbahamut> it isnt
[12:05] <Kingbahamut> Automatix and its issues
[12:05] <Kingbahamut> are a sympton of a much older problem
[12:06] <theCore> which one ?
[12:06] <Kingbahamut> the one that started the whole
[12:06] <Kingbahamut> Jdodson, Azz, Panickedthumb, Datawolf mess
[12:06] <Kingbahamut> months back
[12:06] <Kingbahamut> that is the origination of the problem
[12:07] <mdke> really, the problem is a more general one IMHO
[12:07] <Kingbahamut> again
[12:07] <Kingbahamut> its a matter of who controls what, and who doesnt
[12:07] <theCore> again ..
[12:07] <Kingbahamut> Automatix and its developer
[12:07] <mdke> and HOW they control it
[12:07] <Kingbahamut> chose to make statements
[12:07] <Kingbahamut> those statements were reacted to
[12:07] <Kingbahamut> posts were deleted
[12:07] <LaserJock> so it's basically a disagreement between people who don't want any moderation and those that want some
[12:07] <Kingbahamut> and threads were cencsored
[12:08] <Kingbahamut> correct LJ
[12:08] <Kingbahamut> on one side you have UG and the other staff that feel that moderation is nessecary, while some mods and admins have moderated unessecarily
[12:08] <Kingbahamut> on the other side you have azz and everyone behind him that state no moderation should ever occur
[12:08] <Kingbahamut> in any capacity
[12:08] <Kingbahamut> there has to be a happy medium
[12:09] <LaserJock> do you need more experience moderators perhaps?
[12:09] <Kingbahamut> I dont nessecarily condone the actions of my fellow staff
[12:09] <Kingbahamut> in many instances
[12:09] <Kingbahamut> Ive been one for 8 years
[12:10] <Kingbahamut> thats why I rare edit something unless its blatantly spam , ugly and sick or illegal
[12:10] <mdke> for me, the important thing is to leave a message when something is edited, and explain why
[12:10] <mdke> that way, no question of secrecy can arise, even by accident
[12:10] <Kingbahamut> I wont argue mdke , and in a staff discussion DEMANDED IT
[12:10] <mdke> people will not always be happy, but that's life
[12:10] <LaserJock> but you said that some mods and admins moderated unessecarily, is that because they were just inexperienced or because they had a personal problem with the posts?
[12:10] <Kingbahamut> of certain mods that would just mod and not state a reason
[12:11] <Kingbahamut> I suspect personal problems LJ
[12:11] <mdke> Kingbahamut, yeah it's important to give a reason
[12:11] <theCore> how big is the Azz gang ?
[12:11] <Kingbahamut> or some other involvement
[12:11] <Kingbahamut> how big?
[12:11] <Kingbahamut> without being utterly accusatory
[12:11] <Kingbahamut> or
[12:11] <mdke> gang is such an ugly word :)
[12:11] <Kingbahamut> conclusive
[12:11] <Kingbahamut> I would say the group that azz and others associate
[12:11] <Kingbahamut> is sizeably large
[12:12] <theCore> can you give me a number ?
[12:12] <Kingbahamut> I will say however its been nice to be called the better level headed of the bunch of the staff
[12:12] <Kingbahamut> but thats for another disucssion
[12:12] <Kingbahamut> theCore: best guess.....50?
[12:13] <Kingbahamut> thats a shot in the dark though
[12:13] <theCore> it's not that much ...
[12:13] <LaserJock> well, its been good to talk to you Kingbahamut about this. I think I have been getting a lot of info from the other side of the arguement
[12:13] <LaserJock> I like to stay balanced
[12:13] <Kingbahamut> I only have one request
[12:13] <Kingbahamut> you make it that way, your good with me
[12:14] <Kingbahamut> Direct Question = DIrect answer
[12:14] <LaserJock> right
[12:14] <mdke> hehe
[12:14] <Kingbahamut> The only bad question, the only bad request, is the one you dont ask me
[12:14] <Kingbahamut> I may not bend over backwards for yer
[12:14] <Kingbahamut> but Ill try mah best
[12:15] <LaserJock> cool
[12:15] <mdke> rob1, i hate your email client/server soooooo much!
[12:15] <mdke> i'm gonna kill it!
[12:16] <LaserJock> I honestly don't do much on the forums anymore because of the lack of moderation, but maybe I will give it a shot again
[12:22] <mdke> bah
[12:23] <LaserJock> mdke: need a bigger hammer?
[12:23] <mdke> yeah
[12:23] <LaserJock> that's what my dad always said
[12:23] <mdke> why the hell doesn't it know what I want it to do automatically??
[12:23] <mdke> stupid POS
[12:30] <mdke> Burgwork, pong times 3, 3 strikes and you're out
[12:34] <theCore> i though of a way ubuntu could work: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5529
[12:35] <LaserJock> theCore: what do the arrow's represent?
[01:41] <theCore> LaserJock, they mean "X elect Y"
[01:42] <theCore> (sorry again, for that sudden deconnection"
[01:44] <LaserJock> theCore: so what would the moderators moderate? Everyting Ubuntu?
[01:45] <theCore> LaserJock, the communities
[01:45] <LaserJock> makes sense
[01:46] <theCore> LaserJock, they would ensure a quality control on the wiki, doc, and forums
[01:47] <theCore> LaserJock, what do you think?
[01:47] <LaserJock> cool, I don't know if that will ever happen, but it would be good
[01:48] <theCore> LaserJock, i'm please to heard that :)
[01:50] <theCore> LaserJock, so, do you want to continue working on the guide ?
[01:50] <LaserJock> yeah, I just have other things to do too
[02:01] <Burgwork> mdke, sorry I was out
[02:20] <mpt> I think Ubuntu should be run by a giant turtle
[02:26] <Burgwork> mpt, wtf!!!
[02:58] <theCore> nice, my project on sourceforge has been approved :D
[03:29] <LaserJock> theCore: what project ist that?
[03:29] <theCore> the Linux Gluing Project
[03:31] <theCore> tlgp.sf.net << there is nothing here for now
[03:31] <theCore> but i will fill this space with docs
[03:35] <LaserJock> so how is it going to be distributed?
[03:36] <theCore> in a tarball
[03:37] <theCore> to put in a personal server
[03:38] <theCore> but for now the whole site is too big
[03:40] <theCore> right now the whole thing is 190MB
[03:41] <LaserJock> 190MB?
[03:41] <theCore> yep
[03:43] <theCore> it a full collection of doc, howto, dicto, guides
[03:43] <Kingbahamut> thats pretty sizeable
[03:43] <Kingbahamut> for just text documents
[03:44] <theCore> just the HOWTO dir is 90MB
[03:44] <Kingbahamut> referenced to what?
[03:44] <theCore> linux
[03:44] <Kingbahamut> core linux
[03:44] <Kingbahamut> or distro depedent?
[03:45] <theCore> core linux, with a little tendence to ubuntu
[03:45] <Kingbahamut> Such a thing would save me some time , I still write documentation with that Slackware slant in my head
[03:46] <Kingbahamut> probably why I prefer CLI so much
[03:46] <theCore> CLI?
[03:46] <Kingbahamut> Command Line Interface
[03:46] <LaserJock> Kingbahamut: yeah, I came from Gentoo so I want to compile everything
[03:46] <Kingbahamut> my first linux experience was
[03:46] <theCore> a ok
[03:46] <Kingbahamut> a Floppy Slackware isntall , pre 95
[03:46] <theCore> lol, my second
[03:46] <theCore> wow
[03:47] <Kingbahamut> I still have that box too
[03:47] <theCore> i love old distro
[03:47] <Kingbahamut> amidst my junk
[03:47] <LaserJock> somehow I never got into Slack. I don't think I even installed it once
[03:47] <Kingbahamut> every year or so
[03:47] <Kingbahamut> I do a floppy slack install
[03:47] <Kingbahamut> just to refersh my memory
[03:48] <Kingbahamut> but my primary computer experience, the initial one at least
[03:48] <Kingbahamut> was in 1986 on a SunOS machine
[03:49] <Kingbahamut> back then Sun was based loosely on BSD code, rather than the System V that Solaris took
[03:49] <theCore> i wasn't even born at this time :P
[03:49] <Kingbahamut> Though even then, to now
[03:49] <Kingbahamut> Solaris has changed alot
[03:50] <Kingbahamut> LaserJock: Gentoo Geek?
[03:50] <LaserJock> Kingbahamut: yeah, for over 2 years I think
[03:50] <Kingbahamut> I tried
[03:50] <Kingbahamut> sadly
[03:50] <Kingbahamut> I could never quite get the hang of it
[03:50] <Kingbahamut> dont laugh
[03:50] <LaserJock> I looked for a binary equivilent and ended up at Ubuntu
[03:50] <Kingbahamut> I even tried
[03:50] <Kingbahamut> *shudders*
[03:50] <Kingbahamut> VidaLinux
[03:50] <LaserJock> Kingbahamut: it is different
[03:51] <Kingbahamut> one of my 20 test boxes is still a VidaLinux machine
[03:52] <theCore> there is one distro that is still on my heart , Linux From Scratch
[03:52] <Kingbahamut> LFS isnt is just a book?
[03:52] <theCore> yea
[03:52] <Kingbahamut> ive run (even if for only a few days) probably anywhere from 30 to 40
[03:52] <Kingbahamut> of the Top 100 on Distrowatch
[03:52] <Kingbahamut> just to see
[03:53] <Kingbahamut> of those, Id have to say OneBase was the worst
[03:53] <Kingbahamut> with ArkLinux being a close 2nd
[03:53] <LaserJock> Kingbahamut: what do like best? Ubuntu and Slack?
[03:53] <Kingbahamut> Ubuntu by far
[03:53] <theCore> yay
[03:53] <Kingbahamut> I wouldnt spend so much time on the forums
[03:53] <Kingbahamut> and the Doc Facility
[03:53] <HrdwrBoB> slackware is obsolete
[03:54] <Kingbahamut> if I didnt like it
[03:54] <HrdwrBoB> in my considered opinion
[03:54] <Kingbahamut> BoB, not obslete
[03:54] <HrdwrBoB> it's a relic of a time gone by
[03:54] <Kingbahamut> just unpopular
[03:54] <HrdwrBoB> it's unpopular for a reason
[03:54] <Kingbahamut> You have to give Volkerdink credit though
[03:54] <HrdwrBoB> I used slackware in 1996
[03:54] <HrdwrBoB> look, absolutely
[03:54] <theCore> slackware is too tough to maintain
[03:54] <Kingbahamut> for him keeping on
[03:54] <HrdwrBoB> but slackware's time has been and gone
[03:54] <Kingbahamut> as long as he has
[03:54] <LaserJock> Kingbahamut: yeah, it is amazing for one man
[03:55] <Kingbahamut> specially with his illness last year
[03:55] <Kingbahamut> was supposed to See him on Linux Lunacy
[03:55] <Kingbahamut> last year but didnt
[03:57] <Kingbahamut> that was a blast ride, if GC offers it again, Id recommend it
[04:03] <theCore> i decapitated docs :(
[04:03] <theCore> my docs*
[04:03] <Kingbahamut> decapitated?
[04:04] <theCore> yea, striped 120MB out of my docs
[04:05] <LaserJock> theCore: where do you get these docs?
[04:05] <theCore> many places
[04:05] <LaserJock> what about licenses?
[04:05] <theCore> but most come from tldp.org
[04:05] <theCore> all GPL
[04:06] <theCore> that awesome 'rm -rf ' command
[04:06] <LaserJock> convenient
[04:06] <theCore> yes
[04:07] <Kingbahamut> hmmm
[04:07] <Kingbahamut> careful with that
[04:07] <Kingbahamut> thats a very unweildy lightsaber with a mind of its own command
[04:07] <theCore> lol
[04:08] <theCore> 'sudo rm -rf /' <-- my personal favourite
[04:09] <Kingbahamut> geeze
[04:09] <Kingbahamut> dont tell an enduser that
[04:09] <theCore> lol
[04:09] <Kingbahamut> or if you do
[04:09] <Kingbahamut> make sure hes in irc
[04:09] <Kingbahamut> and tell him if he does do it
[04:09] <Kingbahamut> it will fix his problem
[04:09] <theCore> a total system decapitation
[04:09] <Kingbahamut> and he will still remain in the channel
[04:10] <theCore> lol
[04:10] <Kingbahamut> ie "Quick Everyone Im being hacked how do I stop it!?!?!?!"
[04:10] <Kingbahamut> "Hurry, open up an xterm window and type sudo rm / -fr"
[04:11] <theCore> really ?
[04:11] <Kingbahamut> used to tell them in the old irc days to unplug the modem cable
[04:11] <Kingbahamut> and that would stop the attack
[04:11] <theCore> i gonna try that right now
[04:11] <Kingbahamut> lol
[04:11] <Kingbahamut> I am of course
[04:11] <Kingbahamut> kidding
[04:11] <theCore> lol
[04:12] <Kingbahamut> there should be a bit
[04:12] <Kingbahamut> written into the kernel
[04:12] <Kingbahamut> that stops you from doing that
[04:12] <Kingbahamut> kind of like if you issue that command you get a
[04:12] <Kingbahamut> EVERYTHING WILL BE DETELED IF YOU DO THIS, ARE YOU SURE?
[04:13] <theCore> it wouldn't be tough to implement ...
[04:13] <Kingbahamut> one can dream
[04:13] <Kingbahamut> cant one?
[04:13] <theCore> maybe
[04:13] <Kingbahamut> record you hold for installing linux on the same system in one day?
[04:14] <theCore> hum, 3, i think ?
[04:14] <Kingbahamut> ill be quiet then
[04:14] <theCore> why ?
[04:14] <Kingbahamut> learning to recompile the kernel
[04:14] <Kingbahamut> cause KP
[04:14] <Kingbahamut> like
[04:14] <Kingbahamut> 8 times
[04:15] <theCore> KP ?
[04:15] <Kingbahamut> Kernel Panic
[04:15] <theCore> lol
[04:15] <Kingbahamut> was not a pretty sight that day
[04:15] <Kingbahamut> for sure
[04:15] <theCore> compling a kernel is not tough
[04:16] <Kingbahamut> I guess I couldnt wrap my head around it that day
[04:16] <Kingbahamut> or something, who knows
[04:16] <Kingbahamut> was a Data Recovery Specialist back then
[04:16] <Kingbahamut> my office laughed at me for weeks
[04:17] <HrdwrBoB> you REINSTALLED
[04:17] <HrdwrBoB> because you broke the kernel?>
[04:17] <Kingbahamut> lol
[04:17] <Kingbahamut> go on
[04:17] <Kingbahamut> laugh
[04:17] <Kingbahamut> its ok
[04:17] <Kingbahamut> I can take it
[04:17] <Kingbahamut> that was a long time ago too
[04:18] <Kingbahamut> I only get one person laughing for that
[04:18] <Kingbahamut> sigh
[04:18] <Kingbahamut> im losing my touch
[04:20] <Kingbahamut> To err human, to forgive divine I suppose
[04:20] <HrdwrBoB> well
[04:20] <HrdwrBoB> I just thought maybe after the first... SIX TIMES
[04:21] <HrdwrBoB> you might have learnt something :)
[04:21] <Kingbahamut> well
[04:21] <Kingbahamut> as I go back on that experience
[04:21] <Kingbahamut> I was doing like 4 recoveries
[04:21] <Kingbahamut> 2 of which were for JPL
[04:22] <Kingbahamut> and I remember just angry enough to bust a keyboard or two while I was doin it all
[04:32] <theCore> there should be a #ubuntu-politic chanel
[04:34] <LaserJock> theCore: man, I don't know
[04:34] <Kingbahamut> politic channel/
[04:34] <theCore> LaserJock, why not ?
[04:34] <Kingbahamut> that alone scares me
[04:34] <theCore> lol
[04:34] <theCore> it would be fun
[04:35] <Kingbahamut> no
[04:35] <Kingbahamut> I just dont think so
[04:35] <LaserJock> theCore: I just can't imagine it would be anything but a giant troll
[04:35] <theCore> lol
[04:35] <Kingbahamut> The forums argument over the last few days
[04:35] <Kingbahamut> you want an entire channel of that stuff?
[04:36] <Kingbahamut> phew, that could get well
[04:36] <Kingbahamut> rough
[04:37] <theCore> it would probably help to evacuate the pressure
[04:37] <Kingbahamut> hmmm
[04:37] <Kingbahamut> that gives a strange analogy to me
[04:37] <theCore> which one?
[04:37] <Kingbahamut> Lets go and put 5 megatons of Dynamite under a building , because the intense pressure of that building is so great
[04:37] <Kingbahamut> that it has to come down right
[04:38] <Kingbahamut> but when you detonate that stuff
[04:38] <Kingbahamut> more than the building is going to come down
[04:38] <theCore> lol, you are probably right about this one :P
[04:39] <Kingbahamut> I dunno
[04:39] <Kingbahamut> just call it like I see
[04:39] <Kingbahamut> it
[04:39] <theCore> it would be fun, though
[04:39] <Kingbahamut> someone tell me im an idiot if its not that way
[04:43] <theCore> *silence*
[04:46] <theCore> i'm up: tlgp.sf.net
[04:55] <LaserJock> theCore: so you collect all the docs and put them at in one place?
[04:55] <theCore> LaserJock, yep
[04:55] <LaserJock> theCore: do you have to do anything?
[04:56] <theCore> LaserJock, i will try to glue them together
[04:56] <Kingbahamut> hmmm
[04:56] <theCore> LaserJock, but not now
[04:56] <Kingbahamut> I hear crazy glue does wonders
[04:56] <Kingbahamut> just dont get it on your hands
[04:56] <LaserJock> theCore: what do you mean by glue?
[04:57] <theCore> LaserJock, remove redundencies, use the same style for all page, stuff like that ...
[04:58] <LaserJock> ok
[04:58] <theCore> what do you think?
[04:59] <LaserJock> interesting, pretty ambitious
[04:59] <LaserJock> I am checking out some stuff right now, I need to learn bash scripting ;-)
[04:59] <Kingbahamut> that seems very portable theCore
[05:00] <theCore> portable ?
[05:00] <Kingbahamut> movable from where it is
[05:00] <Kingbahamut> to somewhere else
[05:01] <theCore> ah yes,
[05:01] <Kingbahamut> I guess adaptable is a better way to put i t
[05:03] <theCore> Kingbahamut, i'm working on a new design: http://tlgp.sourceforge.net/newdesign
[05:10] <theCore> any comments on this page ? http://tlgp.sourceforge.net/best-comp/
[05:12] <LaserJock> theCore: why do you want that?
[05:12] <theCore> LaserJock, dunno ..
[05:12] <theCore> n/m then
[05:13] <LaserJock> that is what I would like to get, except less case and more hard drive
[05:13] <LaserJock> theCore: I just wondered why it was at your tlgp site?
[05:15] <theCore> i dunno, it was one my ideas of website, so i decide to put a small page in the misc. area
[05:15] <LaserJock> interesting
[05:53] <rob1> mdke, yes as do I. its lookout express (on windows NT), we aren't upgrading to windows xp until next year
[05:53] <Lewix> hi
 I have a laptop , toshiba M40/M45 serie and  I've downloaded the iso dvd of ubuntu. when I boot and type enter there's things that loads up then my screen goes black. as well with the dvd screen as with the install. I tried linux vga=771 with the live dvd because i want to be sure that it works before installing and I all seem to work till I got a erro message about xserver
[05:58] <Madpilot> Lewix: this isn't really a help channel - please try the main #ubuntu channel
[05:58] <Lewix> ive tried it for 3days
[05:59] <Lewix> nobody anwser they just ignore me
[05:59] <LaserJock> Lewix: it might not be that they are ignoring you, just that they don't know
[05:59] <Lewix> maybe
[06:00] <Lewix> I may be the only one with this problem
[06:00] <Lewix> didn't find a solution on the net
[06:00] <theCore> Lewix, did you tried the forums ?
[06:00] <Lewix> of course
[06:00] <Lewix> I find some ppl with the same problem but no solutions
[06:01] <theCore> Lewix, did you tried the CD version of ubuntu
[06:01] <Lewix> yep the same
[06:01] <Lewix> then I 'downlaoded the dvd version
[06:02] <theCore> Lewix, i think i know what is it
[06:02] <Lewix> really?
[06:03] <theCore> Lewix, can you boot the console, at least ?
[06:03] <theCore> maybe
[06:03] <Lewix> hmm ? I'm a newbie
[06:04] <Lewix> they say something like you didn't set up the xserver
[06:04] <Lewix> when I' put the live cd and type linux vga=771
[06:04] <theCore> but can you login in the "command prompt"
[06:04] <Lewix> otherwise if I just type enter it loads up files and then the screen turn black
[06:05] <Lewix> command prompt? do you mean the boot screen ?
[06:06] <LaserJock> Lewix: but you have tried just hitting enter? no vga=
[06:08] <theCore> Lewix, let a couple of minutes so I can find a solution
[06:08] <theCore> Lewix, what is your graphic card?
[06:09] <Lewix> ati
[06:09] <theCore> X600 ?
[06:10] <Lewix> intel celeron M processor 380, 1.6ghz 512ddram 80gb
[06:10] <Lewix> hmm dunno let me check
[06:10] <Lewix> ati radeon express 200m serie
[06:11] <Lewix> LaserJock: both
[06:13] <theCore> Lewix, you will probalbly need to make a custom kernel ...
[06:13] <Lewix> custom kernel, I'm really a newbie
[06:14] <theCore> Lewix, i trying to found an easier path for you
[06:14] <Lewix> thanks a lot
[06:15] <theCore> is it the m40 or m50 model ?
[06:17] <Lewix> It's written like that: satellite toshiba M40/M45 series in a manual
[06:17] <Lewix> how can I know exactly the model
[06:17] <Madpilot> turn the machine over and look at the labels underneath?
[06:18] <Lewix> k
[06:18] <theCore> it should be written somewhere under the laptop
[06:18] <Lewix> thanks
[06:19] <Lewix> toshiba M45- S169 system unit
[06:19] <theCore> good
[06:20] <theCore> what is the current operating system on it ?
[06:20] <Lewix> windows
[06:20] <theCore> du you have the install cd?
[06:21] <theCore> do*
[06:21] <Lewix> dvd
[06:21] <theCore> you have it?
[06:21] <Lewix> inside there is a live version
[06:21] <Lewix> and the installer
[06:21] <theCore> no, i'm talking about windows
[06:21] <Lewix> yep normally
[06:22] <theCore> i found on the web, that there is a problem with the LiveCD but not with the install cd
[06:23] <theCore> so, if i where you i would make a backup of you windows files, and try to install ubuntu
[06:23] <theCore> s/you/your/
[06:24] <Lewix> with linux vga=771? hmm the fact is I wanted to resize my hd first with the live cd
[06:25] <theCore> ewh, bad idea
[06:25] <Lewix> ohh
[06:25] <Lewix> why ?
[06:25] <theCore> resizing partition is an arcane art
[06:25] <Lewix> with qparted
[06:25] <Lewix> arcane art /
[06:25] <Lewix> ?
[06:27] <theCore> the best thing would be to start with a fresh winXP install
[06:28] <theCore> on a partition smaller than the hard drive
[06:28] <theCore> then install ubuntu
[06:30] <theCore> the biggest problem you may encounter, with this scenario, is that linux don't detect your network card
[06:31] <bhuvan> bshumate, ping
[06:31] <theCore> Lewix, ? are you still here ?
[06:31] <Lewix> yes
[06:32] <theCore> so what do you think ?
[06:33] <Lewix> well I'll try to install it like that but I really want to resize first
[06:33] <Lewix> no choice
[06:33] <theCore> you can't do a backup ?
[06:34] <Lewix> not really, but ok let's say I do a backup. how can I partition the disk before installing windows considering that I just have the recovery cd of my laptop
[06:35] <theCore> you just have a winXP recovery disk ?
[06:36] <theCore> that doesn't give much freedom ...
[06:37] <Lewix> yep
[06:37] <LaserJock> Lewix: a copy of Partition Magic would go a long ways
[06:38] <Lewix> hmm
[06:38] <theCore> yea it's probably the only solution ..
[06:39] <Lewix> where can I find it ? any idea ?
[06:40] <theCore> http://www.soft32.com/download_151.html
[06:40] <Lewix> hey have a look https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptopsToshiba
[06:40] <Lewix> on my laptop maybe you'll understand
[06:41] <theCore> hmm, i see
[06:43] <theCore> it say  "Need to install with framebuffer off; video needs ATI's proprietary driver, but using kernel module hangs the machine"
[06:43] <theCore> now, i must find out how to do that
[06:43] <Lewix> lol I'm a newbie. forgot ?
[06:44] <theCore> Lewix, don't worry i will get over the "geek" stuff for you
[06:45] <Lewix> thanks man
[06:45] <Lewix> you really help
[06:46] <theCore> at least, i try
[06:49] <theCore> i think there is a "laptop" in boot menu, did you tried it ?
[06:50] <Lewix> nope
[06:50] <Lewix> where did you read that copy the link here :>
[07:38] <theCore> good night everyone
[07:39] <rob1> bye
[11:31] <rob1> :)
[11:57] <jsgotangco> later
[11:57] <jsgotangco> its friday night!
[02:34] <rob1> hi jjesse
[02:57] <bshumate> Burgwork?
[03:00] <Lewix> .
[03:03] <jjesse> hello rob1
[03:13] <mdke> Burgwork, pong
[03:20] <mdke> rob1, has Madpilot's common tasks patch been applied?
[03:27] <jjesse> morning mdke
[03:28] <mdke> ello
[03:28] <jjesse> did we decide anything about s.u.c or just a lot of discussion?
[03:28] <mdke> no, nothing decided
[03:28] <mdke> i don't think it's for us to decide tbh
[03:28] <jjesse> oh
[03:29] <jjesse> but i heard that we will be in charge of creating it or filling the content
[03:29] <mdke> jjesse, Burgwork was suggesting that yes
[03:29] <mdke> but as to whether it will happen, i think that is a decision for the TB more than us
[03:39] <jjesse> ok
[04:17] <mdke> hi highvoltage !
[04:38] <mdke> rob1, forget it, my email is just arriving like 10 hours late, i see the commit now
[04:42] <jjesse> is there that big of a difference between the ubuntu packaging guide doc being written and the kubuntu packaging guide on the wiki (w.u.c/KubuntuPackagingGuide)??
[04:42] <mdke> i noticed that today
[04:42] <mdke> we can ask laserjock
[04:43] <mdke> probably, they have used it
[04:46] <jjesse> if there is a big difference then we should include ubuntu packaging in ubuntu-docs and kbunt packaging in kubuntu-docs?
[04:47] <mdke> yeah but i don't see how they would be
[06:33] <mdke> hey LaserJock
[06:33] <mdke> did you see: w.u.c/KubuntuPackagingGuide
[06:35] <LaserJock> no, I don't think I have
[06:35] <mdke> check it out :)
[06:35] <LaserJock> it's hard to keep track of all the different combinations
[06:36] <mdke> we were wondering if the packaging guide can be shipped with both kubuntu and ubuntu or if kubuntu needs a speshul one
[06:36] <LaserJock> mdke: I don't think so, really there are just a couple of differences in dependencies
[06:36] <LaserJock> mdke: It would probably be good to just have a Kubuntu section
[06:37] <mdke> cool
[06:38] <LaserJock> but we should do something, thanks for bringing that up
[06:38] <mdke> maybe you can work with the authors of that page
[06:39] <LaserJock> yeah, I know a few of those guys
[06:41] <LaserJock> ok, added Kubuntu to the outline
[06:41] <mdke> rock
[07:16] <jjesse> mdke: weekends are usually busy for me for a dekstopguide mtg but i can try and schedule around it, i'm GMT -5
[07:17] <mdke> cool thanks, we can arrange a mutually good time
[07:18] <mdke> -> afk
[08:40] <jjesse> anyone else having issues w/ freenode always dropppping them?
[08:40] <teroedni> nope
[08:40] <teroedni> happends much with you?
[08:40] <jjesse> 4th time today
[08:42] <Kingbahamut> hmmm
[08:42] <Kingbahamut> I have it happen on occasion
[08:42] <Kingbahamut> not sure if its the traf on my network or freenode itself
[08:42] <jjesse> friday afternoon is always a light day at work traffic wise for the connection
[08:45] <teroedni> hmm


[02:50] <spaok> does anyone know if there's a way you can juju bootstrap against a device in maas/juju 2.0?
[05:07] <mup> Bug #1627160 changed: With external DHCP, MAAS may guess IPv6 subnet prefix lengths. <MAAS:Opinion> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1627160>
[11:37] <samba35> i add machine manully to maas server but it say   	"Commissioning" how long this process take ?
[11:38] <samba35> i have added ssh key to client still it was asking for username and passwd ,username  and passwd i provided it say incorrect
[11:39] <samba35> before adding machine maually ,maas server auto configure "new " system but i fail to understand how to make it ready ?
[11:40] <samba35> sorry ,this is my 1st maas server deployment
[11:41] <samba35> now client system has 2 gb ram
[12:35] <samba35> :)
[12:35] <samba35> :)
[12:35] <samba35> ready
[12:36] <samba35> no idea how it get deployed
[12:36] <samba35> now its ready ,
[13:17] <samba35> Storage :>>>
[13:17] <samba35>     No storage information. Commissioning this node will gather the storage information.
[13:17] <samba35>     Specify a storage device to be able to deploy this node.
[13:17] <samba35>     Mount the root '/' filesystem to be able to deploy this node.
[13:17] <samba35> do i have to wait till image is been download or do ihave to create storage to image to download ?
[13:18] <samba35> in setting >>storage its FLAT LAYOUT
[13:27] <samba35> when i try to depoly machine i am getting this message what it mean ?
[13:27] <samba35> The deploy action for 1 node failed with error: {"storage": ["Specify a storage device to be able to deploy this node.", "Mount the root '/' filesystem to be able to deploy this node."]}
[16:46] <samba35> can some one please help me to understand storage  layout on maas server ? ,which storage type i select (presently its flat )
[16:48] <samba35> doesn it require new harddisk ? i have install maas server after installation of normal ubuntu 16.04.1 is that ok  ? or do i have to install new new maas server with maas option
[19:06] <mup> Bug #1627362 changed: [2.1] expected string or bytes-like object <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1627362>
[19:06] <mup> Bug #1627363 changed: [2.1] 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'external_dhcp' <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1627363>
[19:09] <mup> Bug #1627362 opened: [2.1] expected string or bytes-like object <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1627362>
[19:09] <mup> Bug #1627363 opened: [2.1] 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'external_dhcp' <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1627363>
[19:56] <reptile> roaksoax: I thought the magic is by providing ssh access to provision new servers - in diffrent physical places
[20:00] <roaksoax> reptile: no, that's Juju, but juju doesn't provision a machine, it orchestrates a service
[21:15] <MrDan> hello
[21:17] <MrDan> i have an issue with the pyvmomi certificates when I try to add VMware machines to MAAS 2
[21:17] <MrDan> if i do an apt list i have pyvmomi 5.5
[21:17] <MrDan> if I install latest pyvmomi via pip i get the 6.0 one
[21:18] <MrDan> question us how do I make the pip one active?
[21:18] <MrDan> if I try to apt remove pyvmomi, it remvoes all maas packages also


[02:52] <_Zeus_> what happened to update-manager in jaunty?
[02:52] <_Zeus_> new name?
[02:53] <andersk> Still there, in the update-manager package.
[02:53] <charlie-tca> Shows as a source package in Jaunty
[02:54] <_Zeus_> oh
[08:19] <DanaG> Oh, lovely mud.
[08:20] <DanaG> s/mud/kernel panic/
[08:26] <DanaG> I think fglrx must just not play well with 2.6.28 kernel.
[08:30] <DanaG> Argh!  Damned ASIC hang.
[08:31] <DanaG> ... and it only happened AFTER I manually loaded snd-hda-intel, oddly enough.
[08:37] <DanaG> Er, it's not hda-intel doing it.
[09:05] <RAOF> Wooo!  Optimised mpeg4 AVC decoder for amd64 from fluendo.
[09:21] <DanaG> woot, defective gpu. =þ  -- at least, I'm pretty sure that's what my end issue truly is.
[09:21] <DanaG> Either that, or it's the motherboard.
[09:22] <DanaG> ... and I didn't pay the ~100 (I think) dollars for on-site service.  :(
[09:23] <DanaG> Oddly enough, the 32-bit Ubuntu isn't getting the ASIC hang as quickly as the 64-bit did.
[09:42] <Ienorand> How are the propr-video drivers faring in the latest daily? still no worky?
[09:42] <BUGabundo_work> guudddd morning everyone. and Merry x'tmas!
[09:43] <RAOF> Ienorand: Define 'propr' :)
[09:44] <Ienorand> proprietary, nvidia.
[09:45] <Ienorand> BUGabundo_work: Good Yule to you too!
[09:45]  * BUGabundo_work wonders what's an yule
[09:46] <Ienorand> BUGabundo_work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yule
[09:47] <RAOF> Ienorand: Still no nvidia driver that works against Xserver 1.6, no.
[09:47] <BUGabundo_work> RAOF: its working well with the current Jaunty Xserver
[09:48] <RAOF> BUGabundo_work: As long as you tell it to ignore the ABI, and there seem to be reports of more frequent crashes with it.
[09:49] <Ienorand> Okays, and fix expectations should be for next alpha? beta?
[09:50] <BUGabundo_work> humm
[09:51] <BUGabundo_work> RAOF: UM still has a lot of X packages on queue!
[09:51] <BUGabundo_work> I'm trying not to install them... lol
[09:51] <BUGabundo_work> still have 1:7.4~ubuntu9
[09:51] <RAOF> Ienorand: Dunno.  Once again, entirely at the pleasure of nvidia.
[09:53] <RAOF> BUGabundo_work: Relavent package is xserver-xorg-core; 1.5.99.x will be breaking nvidia-glx :)
[09:55]  * BUGabundo_work checking
[09:55] <BUGabundo_work> 2:1.5.3-1ubuntu1
[09:56] <BUGabundo_work> candidate still holding back
[09:56]  * BUGabundo_work backups up current X debs...
[09:56] <RAOF> As it will until nvidia-glx supports the new video ABI :)
[09:56] <BUGabundo_work> RAOF: will UM upgrade it any way, when all depencies are built?
[09:58] <RAOF> BUGabundo_work: All the dependencies have been built for ages.  It's not installing for you because it conflicts with xserver-xorg-video-4 (the old ABI), which nvidia-glx provides.
[09:58]  * RAOF is using the new X server, with nouveau.
[09:58] <BUGabundo_work> yeah.. FWIR its been like this for almost 2 weeks
[09:59] <RAOF> That'd be about right.
[09:59] <BUGabundo_work> so I'm safe, until nvidia-glx upgrades the abi, or I force it to install
[09:59] <gnomefreak> closer to a week
[09:59] <BUGabundo_work> lossing Nvidia driver
[09:59] <BUGabundo_work> and using only nouveau
[09:59] <BUGabundo_work> okay... glad to know!
[10:00] <BUGabundo_work> I though it was still building something
[10:00] <BUGabundo_work> UM doesn't give that kind of details UNLESS an user selects to do a parcial upgrade
[10:00] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_work: buildfarm should i just cant remember link for it
[10:01]  * RAOF doesn't use UM.  aptitude FTW.
[10:02] <gnomefreak> seems build farm skipped Intrepid
[10:02] <gnomefreak> i see hardy and jaunty
[10:05] <BUGabundo_work> whats that?
[10:06] <gnomefreak> one sec
[10:06] <gnomefreak> https://launchpad.net/+builds
[10:07] <BUGabundo_work> ahh that I know!
[13:54] <BUGabundo_work> quick question: when one goes to a TTY is the sound supposed to stop playing?
[15:02] <monstermord> where can I report Kubuntu alpha 2 bugs?
[15:03] <BUGabundo_work> launchpad
[15:03] <BUGabundo_work> as with any bugs
[15:03] <BUGabundo_work> just mention it, and the package version
[15:03] <BUGabundo_work> apt-cache show PACKAGE and apt-cache policy PACKAGE are great tools
[15:04] <BUGabundo_work> toguether with apport-cli -f -p PACKAGE to automaticly collect all data about the package you are filing the bug
[15:04] <BUGabundo_work> monstermord: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[15:04] <monstermord> thanks
[15:05] <BUGabundo_work> no sudo require for any of this tool, ok monstermord?
[16:49] <mahfiaz> hi, I did 'pulseaudio -k' to kill the soundserver (latency recalculation makes output skippy), but now the alsa device is in use, i get "could not open audio device for playback"
[16:49] <mahfiaz> thanks in advance
[17:10] <BUGabundo_work> bom natal!!!
[18:13] <prahal_> I reverted to at-spi in ubuntu . Still have issue . Coud someone confirm that he has no freeze of around 15 seconds in rhythmbox when pressing one of the volume key (mute, volup or voldown) ? thanks a lot
[18:14] <prahal_> I put printf and gettimeofday in every critical point of the atk-bridge and nothing precise arise (it seems to loose time everywhere no real bottleneck)
[18:15] <prahal_> also it should happen with every application that use GrabMediaKeys from gnome settings daemon (most of the music one based on gnome)
[23:32] <burner> anyone know if it's possible to download drivers from nvidia.com that work with xorg-server 1.6?  or is it just a matter of no drivers anywhere yet?