[12:03] <NRG88> hi, is apt ubuntu, or debian specific?
[12:04] <NRG88> i mean, does apt appear in al debian systems?
[12:04] <Tm_T> debian
[12:04] <NRG88> ok, thanks
[12:04] <Tm_T> so yes, apt is what make debian system
[12:04] <Tm_T> apt is teh tool for deb
[12:05] <angasule> is it me or lately there have been more updates for breezy?
[12:06] <NRG88> i observed this to
[12:06] <NRG88> how come :?
[12:06] <Tm_T> no idea, haven't been using breezy since october or so
[12:07] <angasule> no idea, maybe not so busy with dapper?
[12:07] <NRG88> the guys at ubuntu must have overcome a big obstacle in dapper, and now had some time for breezy to
[12:07] <Tm_T> hehe
[12:07] <NRG88> :]
[12:07] <angasule> I can't wait for dapper
[12:07] <Red_Herring> uhh, why does dapper have a bit torrent tracker as a daemon!
[12:07] <NRG88> dapper kernel is faster than breezy-s :)
[12:07] <Red_Herring> w00t
[12:08] <Tm_T> Red_Herring: I wonder it too, it was first thing I disabled
[12:08] <frank23> well breezy-security updates are pretty random.  breezy-updates  updates are chosen to be done
[12:08] <Red_Herring> Tm_T: why disable it?
[12:08] <angasule> what I want is the new kopete, so I can watch other people's webcams :)
[12:08] <Tm_T> Red_Herring: why not
[12:08] <Red_Herring> its not like ubuntu is secretly doing stuff w/ it
[12:08] <Red_Herring> i guess
[12:08] <Tm_T> angasule: uhm, you don't need dapper for it
[12:08] <Tm_T> !kde3.5.1
[12:08] <ubotu> To upgrade to KDE3.5.1, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php (add the deb... line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[12:09] <arrinmurr> bittorrent tracker? running in default install?
[12:09] <Tm_T> arrinmurr: yes
[12:09] <Tm_T> arrinmurr: sounds stupid, and thats what it is
[12:09] <arrinmurr> eh, i'm sorry to say this but wtf? :)
[12:09] <angasule> I'll wait for dapper and make a clean install
[12:09] <angasule> there's something broken currently with the font sizes
[12:09] <angasule> settings aren't saved properly or something
[12:10] <angasule> sometimes fonts are slightly big, sometimes slightly small
[12:10] <Tm_T> :p
[12:10] <Tm_T> sounds like broken ddc
[12:11] <frank23> arrinmurr: I thought the same thing about the BT tracker. I don't know what its for
[12:11] <Tm_T> angasule: I'd say upgrade KDE now, worry that later
[12:11] <angasule> Tm_T: why bother? dapper will be ready soon, and hopefully with the clean install that'll be gone
[12:12] <angasule> in the meantime I'll learn more about how to fix the language brokenness
[12:12] <Red_Herring> angasule: not if mark has his way
[12:12] <Tm_T> angasule: I'm almost sure no, that problem is not gone with clean install
[12:12] <Tm_T> Red_Herring: we get our 6 weeks, I hop
[12:12] <Tm_T> e
[12:12] <Red_Herring> so do i
[12:12] <Tm_T> Red_Herring: it's not only mark ;)
[12:13] <arrinmurr> frank23: maybe they're going to make one big p2p-network out of ubuntu users? =)
[12:13] <angasule> Red_Herring: 6 weeks is a short time for me
[12:13] <Red_Herring> well
[12:13] <Red_Herring> i hope they do something benneficial
[12:13] <angasule> Tm_T: so the font size bug is still in dapper?
[12:13] <Red_Herring> EXTREMELY beneficial
[12:13] <Tm_T> angasule: it's not known bug, I'd say it's your hardware/xorg settings
[12:14] <Tm_T> Red_Herring: like Kopete 0.12? ;)
[12:14] <Red_Herring> yea
[12:14] <Red_Herring> and XORG 7
[12:14] <Tm_T> Red_Herring: it's already been ~3 months in dapper
[12:14] <angasule> Tm_T: I've never heard of hardware affecting font sizes... and xorg settings would be new in a xorg install
[12:14] <Red_Herring> well, i just hope the 6 weeks pays off
[12:14] <angasule> a clean install, I mean
[12:15] <Tm_T> angasule: it does effect
[12:15] <Tm_T> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_Data_Channel
[12:15] <frank23> what font size bug?
[12:15] <_> hi
[12:15] <Tm_T> see, monitor tells to pc how big it is, but if it doesn't work correctly...
[12:16] <Red_Herring> wtf? nice nick _
[12:16] <NRG88> :D
[12:16] <Tm_T> Red_Herring: less f*ck here ;(
[12:16] <angasule> Tm_T: but that would cause the font size to be wrong in a homogeneous manner, I sometimes get one size, sometimes another
[12:16] <Red_Herring> i dont hafta be here
[12:17] <angasule> it's like the time bug I've seen sometimes, where /etc/adjtime gets borked causing the clock to be set to the wrong time each time you boot
[12:17] <Tm_T> angasule: yes, if it give wrong, or even random information about display size, then dpi is not stable, and then font sizes aren't stable
[12:17] <angasule> (that was on gentoo and suse, I haven't encountered it in kubuntu)
[12:18] <Nicky> ok close with the games ;)
[12:18] <Nicky> i have a question
[12:18] <angasule> Tm_T: why would it read that data every time? it's not like I plug a new screen every day...
[12:18] <Tm_T> angasule: but how xorg should know that?
[12:18] <Nicky> does anyone know the SIM (simple instant messenger) project
[12:18] <Nicky> ?
[12:19] <angasule> Tm_T: isn't there a magic string?
[12:19] <Tm_T> angasule: try disable ddc in xorg.conf and make sure you have all needed information there, correctly, including display size
[12:19] <Nicky> in kubuntu universe/net
[12:19] <Nicky> is it possible that a newer version can be build?
[12:20] <Nicky> 0.9.3 is over 2 years old
[12:20] <angasule> btw, I have an nVidia GF Ti4200 with a Samsung Syncmaster 750s monitor, hardly 'odd' hardware (motherboard is abit, graphics card is asus)
[12:21] <Nicky> ahoi Crissi :D
[12:21] <Tm_T> angasule: look some advice from here, doublecheck information etc, if it doesn't fix the problem then we have software bug http://kapsi.fi/tm_travolta/temp/xorg.conf-temp1
[12:21] <Nicky> some days you loose - some days the others win ;)
[12:22] <Tm_T> Nicky: compile yourself? or help us to have newer package? (that means debian too I think)
[12:23] <Crissi> i think there should be a precompiled package for this kernel module
[12:23] <Nicky> i have tried to compile the actual SVN, but it fails
[12:24] <angasule> thanks, but I'll pass, the bug doesn't happen constantly so I have no way of checking for it, I'll wait for dapper and if it remains *and* bothers me, I'll go for it, btw, I'd love to set the size manually through the GUI, bad automation is worse than no automation
[12:25] <Tm_T> angasule: ok, check your dpi now and when fonts are different size, if there's difference in dpi
[12:25] <Tm_T> that's mostly all I need to know
[12:26] <angasule> Tm_T: where can I see the current DPI?
[12:26] <Tm_T> hmm
[12:27] <mart-> xdpyinfo | grep dots
[12:28] <raphink> anyone knows a way to set something like ctrl+click <=> right click ?
[12:28] <Tm_T> mart-: thanks
[12:28] <angasule> resolution:    75x75 dots per inch
[12:28] <angasule> my res is 1280x960, 17" is the size
[12:28] <Tm_T> angasule: ok, check it again when font size is different
[12:28] <raphink> like if I want a right click with a single click mouse, I would just press ctrl and click
[12:28] <raphink> anyone has and idea for that?
[12:29] <Tm_T> raphink: no idea
[12:29] <Tm_T> raphink: btw beta2 coming today so I'll be bugging you... ;)
[12:29] <Tm_T> now some sleep I hope ->
[12:29] <raphink> Tm_T: sure
[12:30] <Crissi> anyone which speak german.. jpoin
[12:30] <Crissi> join #kubuntu.de
[12:30] <Crissi> ;)
[12:33] <anonimo> hi, i was about to download flight 5,
[12:33] <anonimo> but i noticed there are two iso files for every architecture:
[12:34] <anonimo> live-cd and install-cd
[12:34] <anonimo> i thought dapper would be a *single* cd with a new installer (ubuntu expresso)
[12:35] <anonimo> does anyone know something about?
[12:35] <JohnFlux> anonimo: maybe they lied to you
[12:36] <anonimo> so, ubuntu 6.04 will keep being two separate CDs?
[12:36] <JohnFlux> anonimo: a quick google reveals that maybe you were thinking of a combined live/install _dvd_ ?
[12:36] <JohnFlux> if not, google some more :)
[12:36] <JohnFlux> sorry ;)
[12:37] <anonimo> mmh, probably I heard about a DVD.
[12:38] <anonimo> Thanks for your help, JohnFlux. It would be really nice to get a combined CD, though.
[12:38] <JohnFlux> nyeh, I always dvd ;)
[12:38] <JohnFlux> no wait, I don't install ubuntu
[12:39] <JohnFlux> i apt-get each time ;)
[12:40] <anonimo> I have to use many different machines, many of them don't have a DVD-reader.
[12:40] <anonimo> What's the problem about a combined live/install _cd_? Disc capacity?
[12:45] <anonimo> JohnFlux: look here:
[12:45] <anonimo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuExpress
[12:47] <MidMark> wine is only for i386?
[12:48] <mart-> MidMark: that would make sense... Wine Is Not an Emulator, after all :)
[12:49] <MidMark> and then?
[12:50] <MidMark> who runs on an x86_64 cannot be attracted from wine?
[12:50] <frank23> It's possible to have wine run in amd64 I think
[12:50] <mart-> yes, you could probably try something with linux32, or something
[12:51] <mart-> which changes cpu behaviour to 32 bit behaviour for that process
[12:51] <mart-> I don't really know where you'd start with that though - apart from google :(
[12:52] <MidMark> yes, just want to know if there are some people that has just done it
[12:53] <mart-> well, the first google hit looks promising
[12:53] <frank23> MidMark: look in the ubuntu forums and maybe in the wiki also
[12:54] <mart-> http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOn64bit
[12:54] <mart-> has instructions for Debian
[12:55] <frank23> MidMark: try to find ubuntu-specific instructions if you can. I'm sure the forums have something on this
[12:55] <MidMark> oh yes... I'm asking why there aren't x86_64 packages yet
[12:55] <MidMark> probably some code have to be rewritten
[12:55] <MidMark> or something else...
[12:56] <frank23> MidMark: because windows programs can only run as 32bit
[12:56] <Nicky> re
[12:56] <MidMark> not in windows xp for x86_64
[12:57] <MidMark> that is not so common yet
[12:57] <frank23> MidMark: yeah there aren't many amd64 builds of windows programs yet
[12:57] <Crissi> join #kubuntu-de
[12:58] <frank23> anyone know if kaffeine and amarok will go back to xine by default in dapper or stay with gstreamer?
[12:58] <MidMark> windows xp 64 bit runs on amd and intel ins't? However not so many people have switched, they don't need to...
[01:00] <frank23> MidMark: drivers are still an issue in Windows Xp 64 and the performance gains are only really noticable in some applications
[01:00] <Nicky> frank23: in dapper, amarok-gstreamer and kaffeine-gstreamer are missing. so i must use the -xine packages :(
[01:01] <frank23> Nicky: I don't use dapper but xine works MUCH better than gstreamer in my experience. I would be glad if xine becomes default for everything in dapper
[01:02] <bluecar> Greetings from San Cristobal - Venezuela
[01:02] <bluecar> hey, any of u had problems with knowing where does go everything u erase with rm?
[01:03] <bluecar> i know most of times it's actually erased from the hd, but in some cases, "df -h" shows me that it's not true, and space is not released
[01:04] <Kyral> bluecar, it may take a while for it o "notice"
[01:04] <frank23> bluecar: rm should always delete.
[01:04] <Kyral> bluecar, rm doesn't remove the data. It just removes the entry in the Inode table
[01:06] <bluecar> but if the konsole shows again the # promt, shouldn't it be already erased, so be reflected in "rm -h" ?
[01:06] <frank23> well the space is available after that (if the file isn't in use)
[01:06] <bluecar> it doesn't :'(
[01:06] <bluecar> i mean, the space sometimes isn't released
[01:06] <frank23> bluecar: you have a # prompt? what are you deleting?
[01:08] <bluecar> it haves happened to me a lot, for example a video, i go and erase it with the normal "rm -rf FILE" and even if the file seems to not be there anymore, df shows that space havent been released
[01:08] <frank23> bluecar: first  rm -rf is not normal to delete a single file
[01:09] <frank23> bluecar: its dangerous if you use -r all the time (recursive)
[01:09] <nuky> hi, does anyone know a good cpu stats program? even terminal based is ok.. i don't like the taskbar applet and superkaramba desklets are a little heavy for my pc.. and i tried torsmo/conky but didn't configure them, if i can't find anything else, i'll get to configuring one of them..
[01:09] <frank23> bluecar: and if you have a # prompt, you're root, which is even more dangerous
[01:09] <bluecar> also happends to me with konqueror, but i most of times find it in the ".trash-0" folder that konqueror create for the "trash", so erasing that folder should be enought, but it isn't neigther
[01:10] <frank23> nuky: I have a kde applet (ksysguard) in my task bar for cpu usage
[01:10] <bluecar> nuky: u mean something like "top" ?
[01:11] <frank23> bluecar: when you delete with konqueror it goes into the trash bin
[01:11] <frank23> bluecar: click the konqueror button (bottom left) to see the trash and delete it
[01:12] <bluecar> ok, but even if i empty the trash bin, space is not released
[01:13] <frank23> bluecar: It should be released unless that file is being used by a program somewhere
[01:13] <nuky> bluecar: thanks!! top is perfect!! i heard about it, but i didn't realise it gave all that info at the top of the output!! :)
[01:14] <nuky> frank23: i tried the applet.. but the more applets i have, they respond slower.. it's not a very good pc.. that's why i was looking for something terminal based.. thanks for the suggestion though :)
[01:14] <bluecar> nuky: try top -d 0.2 or alike if u whant to se some "real-time" action :p jeje
[01:16] <bluecar> "desklets rocks but damn i need a newer video card" :p
[01:17] <nuky> bluecar: oh wow! niice... i'm going to see if i can get the transparent terminal on my desktop, with devilspie or something and have this running. hopefully that won't take too much mem or cpu time.. i tried the transparent xterm before and it worked fine... so fingers crossed.. that would just be ideal if it turned out!!
[01:18] <bluecar> good luck nuky, my pleasure to help u, take care :-)
[01:19] <bluecar> greetings from Venezuela :-p
[01:20] <bluecar> hey, somebody around related with electronics could recommend me the best of software focused on Circuit analisis, and Amplificators, that "actually" works, or a little more intuitive one than "electric"
[01:29] <IO-Jupiter> Hi! I read in the foruns something about Data corruption in the LVM2 LVs after installing flight 4. Does anybody know if it is safe now? Is there a way to leave LVM or EVMS out during installation?
[01:30] <IO-Jupiter> I am talking about flight 5, of course ...
[01:31] <ziopera> hi
[01:31] <ziopera> I can start kubuntu in text mode ??
[01:32] <ziopera> witch file I have to edit ??
[01:38] <solid_liq> !java
[01:38] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[01:44] <zblach> hi
[01:45] <zblach> quick sound setup question. i have an audigy 2 zs, and some front media ports. can I use them both simultaneously?
[01:52] <lwizardl> hi
[01:52] <zblach> hey wiz
[01:53] <zblach> anyone know about that sound issue?
[01:53] <lwizardl> can someone help me with how to setup a backend server and have terminals access it for the info
[01:54] <mart-> zblach: no idea.  perhaps someone in #creative would know.
[01:54] <zblach>  oh, didn't think of that. thanks
[01:54] <mart-> zblach: it's normally pretty quiet there though
[01:54] <zblach> ironically
[01:55] <mart-> :)
[01:57] <uNcLePeAr> can I start kubuntu in text mode ??
[02:00] <zblach> uNcLePeAr, ctrl+alt+f1
[02:00] <Thedek> Is there a way to map the "special keys" on my keyboard to do certain actions in KDE (ie. a Volume Up key)
[02:00] <zblach> Thedek, which program?
[02:00] <Thedek> Well, I'd love to map a handful of the keys to amaroK to begin with.
[02:01] <Thedek> But I also have a "calculator" button, "internet" button, etc.
[02:01] <mart-> I've only ever used lineak - for which there's a kde front end, for that sort of thing
[02:02] <mart-> it has a list of keyboards, failing that, you can create your own config
[02:02] <Thedek> I'm guessing I'll need to create my own config, I have a dumb no-name keyboard I got with a PC like a year ago (no manufacturer info even on the kb).
[02:02] <uNcLePeAr> zblach nah !! i know .... but to startup kubuntu only in text mode ad after type startx fort o have graphical mode
[02:05] <solid_liq> how do I configure my wireless network connection?  I already have the wifi driver installed and working
[02:05] <mart-> uNcLePeAr: you could remove S99kdm from /etc/rc2.d - the proper way to do it is to use update-rc.d, but I never figure out how
[02:05] <mart-> uNcLePeAr: (as in, I never bothered to read the man page)
[02:06] <uNcLePeAr> hummm
[02:07] <solid_liq> anyone know how to configure wifi?
[02:08] <mart-> solid_liq: well, there's something in System Settings->Internet & Network->Connections
[02:08] <uNcLePeAr> tnx mart- I'll try tom ;) ......
[02:09] <mart-> solid_liq: but I've only ever used the pcmcia scripts in /etc/pcmcia or something
[02:17] <zblach> quick question
[02:17] <zblach> whenever i boot my computer, i have to type this 'sudo route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS>'
[02:18] <zblach> why is this, and how can I automate?
[02:18] <zblach> i'm sure there is some file I can append a line to somewhere
[02:29] <blarion> hey.
[02:29] <blarion> I can't get my sound to work and it's driving me crazy.
[02:29] <blarion> just got a new motherboard.
[02:29] <blarion> and I have no idea where to start.
[02:30] <blarion> k.
[02:31] <JohnFlux> frank23: hi!
[02:31] <JohnFlux> frank23: you'll be pleased to know I'm working solidly on ksysguard performance these days
[02:32] <JohnFlux> frank23: I know it's slow at the moment, but it for kde4 it will kick ass ;)
[02:48] <zblach> alright, i've a few fat32 partitions, how do I make them writable to others?
[02:49] <zblach> other users, i mean
[02:49] <nalioth> zblach: in the fstab, put after rw,*   umask=000
[02:50] <nalioth> zblach: for that partition
[02:50] <zblach> thanks
[02:58] <Thedek> Anyway to get Firefox packaged with the actual Firefox icons?  I'm tired of changing the icons to the real Firefox icons after every update.
[02:58] <dj_tasaka> i recently upgraded my system to the dapper repos
[02:59] <dj_tasaka> and now i have a small problem with thunderbird
[02:59] <dj_tasaka> whenever i click on links in a message, they are opened in konqueror
[02:59] <dj_tasaka> but i want them opened in firefox
[02:59] <dj_tasaka> firefox is also set as the default browser in the kde control panel
[03:00] <dj_tasaka> and clicking on links in other programs opens them in firefox
[03:00] <dj_tasaka> but not from thunderbird
[03:00] <dj_tasaka> any ideas?
[03:02] <JohnFlux> dj_tasaka: look in the settings for thunderbird
[03:03] <dj_tasaka> yeah, i did that, didn't find anything
[03:03] <dj_tasaka> it used to work before
[03:03] <dj_tasaka> but in breezy, i used thunderbird 1.5 builds from the mozilla site, i believe
[03:03] <dj_tasaka> now i am running the official deb that's in dapper
[03:04] <dj_tasaka> i haven't found any setting that says anything about external programs
[03:04] <dj_tasaka> in thunderbird, that is
[03:05] <Thedek> I think there was a post about this in the forum today...
[03:05] <dj_tasaka> ubuntuforums.org?
[03:05] <Thedek> Yeah, I think so... at least similiar enough that it might point you in the right direction, lemme look.
[03:06] <dj_tasaka> thx
[03:06] <freeflying> dj_tasaka: in kubntu ,why don't you use kmail ?
[03:06] <dj_tasaka> cos i am sharing my thunderbird mail with my windows partition
[03:06] <dj_tasaka> as in: i run a dual-boot system and share my thunderbird profile on a FAT partition between win and linux
[03:06] <Thedek> How's that work?  I was thinking about trying that, but wasn't sure if the folders/files were structured the same?
[03:07] <dj_tasaka> it all works extremly well, haven't had any problems so far
[03:07] <dj_tasaka> just that thunderbird isn't very well integrated into kde, so that makes it slightly annoying sometimes
[03:07] <dj_tasaka> well, it's pretty simple
[03:07] <zblach> quick question, again
[03:08] <dj_tasaka> there are a couple of threads in the mozilla forums that describe how to do it. essentially, i just copied the entire profile to the FAT partition
[03:08] <Thedek> Well, to my knowledge Thunderbird and Firefox are on GTK toolkit, and don't "play nice" with KDE.
[03:08] <dj_tasaka> well, the latest builds  for dapper look a lot nicer
[03:08] <Thedek> Try this link, not the one I was looking for though: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=134511&highlight=firefox+links
[03:08] <dj_tasaka> thx
[03:09] <zblach> every time I boot my computer, i have to add the same line to my route table. which file do I edit to make that change permanent?
[03:09] <dj_tasaka> hmm, i believe that link is gnome specific?
[03:09] <Thedek> It's possible, I'm still looking for the thread I thought I saw earlier.
[03:10] <dj_tasaka> hang on
[03:10] <dj_tasaka> the CLI thing might be useful
[03:11] <Thedek> Here's an older thread, but might point you in the right direction: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22333
[03:11] <dj_tasaka> hmm, i used that command line tool, now thunderbird doesn't seem to open links at all
[03:11] <dj_tasaka> thanks again
[03:12] <dj_tasaka> ok, i'll look into it. thanks for the answers so far
[03:12] <dj_tasaka> about sharing your profile: if you don't use too many OS-specific extensions for TB, it's pretty straightforward
[03:12] <Thedek> I'm relatively new myself, so I'm only guessing a bit. =)
[03:12] <dj_tasaka> since you can share the entire profile
[03:13] <Thedek> zblach: I think the file you are looking for is /etc/network/interfaces
[03:13] <dj_tasaka> if you use incompatible extensions, you can only share the mail folders
[03:13] <dj_tasaka> that's a bit more complicated since you need to edit some files in your TB profile folder
[03:13] <zblach> Thedek, perhaps, but i'm not exactly where the table graps its numbers from
[03:13] <zblach> i.e. route refers to an ip : <IP_ADDRESS> which isn't anything in my network
[03:13] <Thedek> dj_tasaka: Yeah, I'm thinking about putting my mail folders on a network share, so that it's backed up and so both OSs can see (map) to it.
[03:14] <dj_tasaka> well, what i did is just edit the profiles.ini file to point to the new location of the profile
[03:14] <dj_tasaka> i think on the linux side i just added a symlink from the standard profile location to the FAT drive
[03:14] <Thedek> dj_tasaka: Cool, I'll put that on my next list of "things to try". =)
[03:15] <Thedek> I'm playing with getting the extra keys on my super funky no-name keyboard to work with KDE, eheh.
[03:15] <dj_tasaka> the only hiccup i ever had was when i was trying to access the mail from linux when thunderbird hadn't properly terminated on windows
[03:15] <Thedek> zblach: You see that route in the interfaces file?
[03:15] <zblach> not really
[03:15] <Thedek> dj_tasaka: Ahh, interesting.  I won't have to worry about the extensions, I don't use any.
[03:15] <dj_tasaka> pretty much screwed up some file system entries, but chkdsk fixed it and nothing got lost
[03:16] <dj_tasaka> well, that should make it pretty simple
[03:16] <zblach> Thedek, route referrs to an IP that doesn't exist
[03:16] <dj_tasaka> but if you put it on a network share, you should probably make sure to only access it from one location at a time
[03:16] <Thedek> zblach: I'd start by getting the line you DO need into the system automatically, then worry about removing the line that doesn't work.
[03:16] <Thedek> dj_tasaka: both OS's are on a dual-boot machine, so that's not a problem.
[03:17] <zblach> Thedek, i understand what you're saying
[03:17] <zblach> but I can't understand where route gets its information originally
[03:17] <Thedek> zblach: You running DHCP somewhere?
[03:17] <zblach> all other computers on the network are. i
[03:18] <zblach> 'm static
[03:18] <zblach> and that number is out of range for local computers
[03:20] <Thedek> zblach: Well, it's coming from somewhere.  /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf are the only files I've messed with yet for networking.
[03:20] <zblach> and i'm not using dhcp, so...
[03:21] <zblach> wow. hang on. i need a reboot
[03:31] <fatejudger> well I guess switching to Gnome when you're angry at Flight 5 isn't the best idea in the world
[03:31] <fatejudger> ....
[03:31] <regeya_> that's silly
[03:31] <fatejudger> it retrospect, yes
[03:32] <frank23> The new proposed dapper release date lands on my birthday! joy
[03:32] <fatejudger> frank23: they change it?
[03:32] <fatejudger> *changed
[03:32] <frank23> It's not official but the proposed date is June 1st
[03:32] <fatejudger> Gnome is extraordinarily slow
[03:32] <fatejudger> wow
[03:33] <_evox> what?
[03:33] <fatejudger> ?
[03:33] <fatejudger> I just said Gnome was slow
[03:33] <_evox> Oh
[03:33] <_evox> well All I saw was this
[03:33] <_evox> [20:30]  <fatejudger> wow
[03:33] <fatejudger> yes, I realize what you saw
[03:34] <fatejudger> well I don't know what I'm going to do
[03:34] <_evox> i like KDE so far
[03:34] <fatejudger> I can't go back to KDE Flight 5
[03:34] <fatejudger> *Kubuntu
[03:34] <fatejudger> the default theme sucks now
[03:34] <fatejudger> but I sure as hell can't use this Gnome thing
[03:34] <_evox> Lol
[03:34] <Thedek> fatejudger: The Kubuntu themes are easy to change.
[03:35] <fatejudger> Thedek: hah, once you install them you mean
[03:35] <_evox> A stupid question...But how do I clean  out my Temp files?
[03:35] <Thedek> fatejudger: True, but it's not exactly hard to install new themes.
[03:35] <fatejudger> Thedek: I'd like to see you get just one of the themes from kde-look.org working on Dapper
[03:35] <fatejudger> Thedek: the vista one depends on Lipstik 2.1, which isn't even on there anymore
[03:36] <fatejudger> I need to get back on KDE, now
[03:36] <fatejudger> I KNOW my computer isn't this slow
[03:37] <regeya_> gnome is slow.
[03:37] <fatejudger> it's horrible
[03:37] <Thedek> fatejudger: I grabbed about 3 themes last night, and am running Dapper.
[03:37] <fatejudger> window painting
[03:37] <fatejudger> it just is awful
[03:37] <frank23> fatejudger: I read about problems with the dapper kernel which cause extreme slowness
[03:37] <fatejudger> I've never had such slowness in KDE
[03:38] <richard> Anyone still experiencing WiFi connection problems and setup ?
[03:38] <_evox> A stupid question...But how do I clean  out my Temp files?
[03:38] <frank23> fatejudger: try to boot with the breezy kernel instead
[03:39] <fatejudger> frank23: I don't want to use Gnome though
[03:39] <fatejudger> _evox: you mean the apt cache?
[03:39] <richard> Running Dapper 5  and Wifi doen't enable itself  when configured. . . Why does Ubuntu work flawless with this same card?
[03:39] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: hey
[03:39] <_evox> Im talking about stuff like Konquerer
[03:39] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: what happened to Flight 5?
[03:40] <_evox> Like my Internet browsing cache
[03:40] <fatejudger> _evox: that's in Konq settings
[03:40] <_evox> ok thanks
[03:41] <fatejudger> get me out of here!?!?
[03:41] <richard> Anyone give me a clue why Wifi in Kubuntu-dapper 5 doesn't work and it works in Ubuntu Dapper 5?
[03:41] <fatejudger> it's a nightmare
[03:41] <fatejudger> richard: it should work fine
[03:42] <richard> I can't get it to enable itself when configured. . . .it keeps disabling ....
[03:42] <dj_tasaka> Thedek: Thanks for the help, I got it to work now
[03:42] <Hobbsee_> fatejudger: it's too hard to check for duplicates before submitting a bug report?  or is the search not working again?
[03:43] <Thedek> dj_tasaka: No problem, which solution worked so I know in the future. =)
[03:43] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: what did I do?
[03:43] <Hobbsee> checkinstall bug
[03:43] <dj_tasaka> The update-alternatives program alone didn't do it
[03:43] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: lol, you saw that?
[03:43] <dj_tasaka> cos i have my firefox-bin in /opt
[03:43] <nalioth> go Hobbsee !
[03:44] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: sure i did
[03:44] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: well someone on here told me to submit it, so I figured that they had checked
[03:44] <Hobbsee> nalioth: i have a package that fixes it - i just need all the UVF stuff
[03:44] <dj_tasaka> so i needed to add an additional symlink:
[03:44] <dj_tasaka> sudo ln -s /opt/firefox/firefox-bin /opt/firefox/x-www-browser-bin
[03:44] <fatejudger> can someone please explain what happened to the Kubuntu theme in Flight 5 though?
[03:44] <fatejudger> I mean, who's idea was it?
[03:44] <fatejudger> seriously
[03:44] <fatejudger> who?
[03:45] <Thedek> Yeah, I liked the 1.5.1 theme set, the 1.5.2 themeset is waaay too blue.
[03:45] <fatejudger> I don't know what happened, but it caused me to switch to Gnome
[03:45] <Thedek> dj_tasaka: Cool, glad it works. =)
[03:45] <fatejudger> and now I'm freaking out
[03:45] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: screenshot?
[03:45] <dj_tasaka> Thedek: Yeah, thanks again
[03:45] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I wish I could, but I'm stuck in Gnome
[03:46] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[03:46] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: someone needs to show me how to get the themes on kde-look.org working before I go back
[03:46] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I'm not prepared for all of that blue
[03:46] <Thedek> Hobbsee: The logo in kdm and the splash screen on login for kubuntu are pure blue now, not blue/grey anymore.  Kinda too bluish imho.
[03:46] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: there's a howto on that site
[03:46] <Hobbsee> Thedek: eek
[03:46] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: completely blue
[03:46] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: solid blue bars window decoration bars
[03:47] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: borders are blue
[03:47] <Thedek> Even the usplash is overly blue. =P
[03:47] <fatejudger> yeah
[03:47] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:47] <fatejudger> and the login screen doesn't work anymore
[03:47] <fatejudger> the little icons go out of the screen
[03:47] <fatejudger> I hear they know about that bug though
[03:47] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: they changed the wallpaper too
[03:47] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: it's BLUE BUBBLES
[03:47] <Thedek> fatejudger: I got a new KDM and splash from kde-look called LoveKDE that I'm pretty happy with as a temp. replacement.  At least I hope it's temp.
[03:48] <fatejudger> someone has to help me get a theme working on KDE
[03:48] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[03:48] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: howto on that site...
[03:48] <Hobbsee> "how to install" or similar
[03:49] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I tried compiling it and I installed it successfully
[03:49] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: it just isn't showing up
[03:49] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:49] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[03:49] <Hobbsee> not even in kcontrol?
[03:49] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: nope
[03:49] <Hobbsee> weird
[03:50] <Hobbsee> Last week was the Kubuntu and Ubuntu UI sprint in London where kwwii got strict instructions to turn up the bling on Kubuntu's artwork. The Gnome Clearlooks developers were also there to turn Ubuntu orange.
[03:50] <Hobbsee> hmm...yes lol
[03:51] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: the "bling" was just fine in Kubuntu
[03:51] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: the only thing they needed to change was the login screen
[03:51] <Thedek> fatejudger: I agree, I thought Kubuntu was looking good, till yesterday's update.
[03:51] <fatejudger> Thedek: then all hell broke lose
[03:51] <fatejudger> and now I'm using Gnome
[03:51] <fatejudger> and it's all kwwii's fault
[03:51] <fatejudger> lol
[03:52] <Thedek> fatejudger: I didn't go THAT far, I loaded some new stuff from kde-look to hold me over. =P
[03:53] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: could you do me a favor and suggest that the KDE bling people go on kde-look.org and create some packages for the nicer, high rated themes?
[03:53] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: hmmm..how would i do that?
[03:53] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: if I can't install one of these themes, surely the new user couldn't
[03:53] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I don't know, you said you were going to some meeting
[03:54] <Hobbsee|CInstall> fatejudger: kubuntu devel meeting, yes
[03:54] <fatejudger> Hobbsee|CInstall: don't you suggest things like that at the meetings?
[03:54] <Hobbsee|CInstall> yeah
[03:54] <_nate> hey guys i just switched over to Kubuntu from Ubuntu and was wondering if there was an application get menu for KDE based systems?
[03:54] <Thedek> fatejudger: Here's the older theme: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29331
[03:54] <fatejudger> _nate: what is an application "get" menu?
[03:55] <fatejudger> Thedek: that one was alright
[03:55] <fatejudger> Thedek: there's better logins out there
[03:55] <_nate> ahh sorry an "add applications menu" like the one in ubuntu
[03:55] <fatejudger> I think that the Kubuntu people should stop trying to create so much of their own artwork and start implementing things on kde-look
[03:55] <Thedek> fatejudger: Yeah, I'm using: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=35843.  Much <3 for Marvin and the tombstone. =P
[03:56] <fatejudger> Thedek: nice
[03:56] <fatejudger> Thedek: I still need to change the theme though
[03:56] <Hobbsee|CInstall> if you want me to get checkinstall into dapper, then i need to figure this out hehe :P
[03:56] <Thedek> _nate: Are you trying to add an item on your machine to the menu, or find a list of applications that you can install?
[03:57] <_nate> do you guys advise me to stick with kubuntu?....tried out a Gnome based system and don't know which i like better.
[03:57] <Hobbsee|CInstall> _nate: keep both?
[03:57] <fatejudger> _nate: well, I'm using the Gnome right now, I just switched
[03:57] <fatejudger> _nate: and Gnome is a nightmare
[03:57] <Hobbsee|CInstall> Thedek: hehe - it's building a diffstat this second..
[03:57] <_nate> yeah i still can't get my onboard audio to work
[03:57] <nalioth> Thedek: Hobbsee|CInstall sees all
[03:57] <Thedek> nalioth: This I'm learing. =)
[03:58] <fatejudger> would it be extraordinarily hard for the Kubuntu people to create packages for the more popular themes on kde-look though?
[03:58] <_nate> anyone know of where to get any good kde drivers for a realtekac97 onboard card?
[04:00] <fatejudger> _nate: KDE is a DE, there are no drivers for KDE
[04:00] <nalioth> fatejudger: there is a wiki page for kubuntu pkg requests
[04:00] <fatejudger> _nate: if it worked in Gnome, it'll work in KDE
[04:00] <fatejudger> nalioth: like anyone will actually read that
[04:00] <douglas> How do I make the gaim icon blend in the tray correctly?
[04:01] <fatejudger> douglas: you don't
[04:01] <nalioth> fatejudger: where do you think a lot of the pkgs come from?
[04:01] <douglas> fatejudger: Why not?
[04:01] <nalioth> fatejudger: I routinely read and pkg from it
[04:01] <_nate> well no elworko in gnome
[04:01] <fatejudger> nalioth: I'm not sure, but I'll tell you this, it wasn't my idea to change the default Kubuntu theme
[04:01] <fatejudger> nalioth: and it happened anyway
[04:01] <Hobbsee|CInstall> fatejudger: sure we do :P  i've packaged some of them
[04:02] <_nate> i'm gonna call it a night talk to you guys later peace out!
[04:02] <fatejudger> nalioth: and I doubt anyone else suggested to make such a horrible theme
[04:02] <nalioth> fatejudger: i installed dapper on one of my machines and it came up in xubuntu
[04:02] <nalioth> fatejudger: whose idea was that?
[04:02] <fatejudger> nalioth: I dunno
[04:05] <Thedek> btw, however pointed me to lineak has my thanks. =)
[04:07] <NeoChaosX> if any Kubuntu developers are listening, why isn't there a graphical shutdown like the Ubuntu and Xubuntu users did?
[04:08] <Hobbsee|CInstall> NeoChaosX: because there isnt.  it'll be discussed in the meeting tomorrow
[04:08] <fatejudger> lol
[04:08] <Hobbsee|CInstall> i'm not quite sure myself, to be honest
[04:08] <Hobbsee|CInstall> i do hope to find out thought
[04:08] <Hobbsee|CInstall> *though
[04:08] <fatejudger> I can't even see my shutdown process since I have a big LCD monitor
[04:08] <fatejudger> it often doesn't resize in time...
[04:08] <NeoChaosX> I see, alright
[04:09] <fatejudger> Hobbsee|CInstall: do you think you could take a look at some of the themes after you're done?
[04:09] <Hobbsee|CInstall> to package?  for dapper?
[04:10] <fatejudger> Hobbsee|CInstall: exactly
[04:10] <Hobbsee|CInstall> no, it's past UVF
[04:10] <Hobbsee|CInstall> dapper+1, maybe
[04:10] <fatejudger> Hobbsee|CInstall: damn, they froze it already?
[04:10] <Hobbsee|CInstall> fatejudger: they froze it weeks ago
[04:10] <Hobbsee|CInstall> havent you heard people squaking about networkmanager, with wpa support, and how it wont get in?
[04:11] <fatejudger> Hobbsee|CInstall: hmm, didn't know that
[04:11] <Thedek> yeah, it's all over the forum. =P
[04:11] <fatejudger> Hobbsee|CInstall: who cares about WPA, it's for the paranoid
[04:11] <Hobbsee|CInstall> fatejudger: yes, and my dad's paranoid, so we have to have it
[04:11] <Thedek> lol
[04:11] <NeoChaosX> I'd think if they're not including nm, at least include wpa_supplicant for those folks who do have WPA
[04:11] <NeoChaosX> ^and need it to get on the 'net
[04:11] <Hobbsee|CInstall> NeoChaosX: it's in universe
[04:12] <NeoChaosX> but it's not installed by default
[04:12] <Hobbsee|CInstall> i know
[04:12] <Hobbsee|CInstall> by your argument, ndiswrapper should be as well, plus all the drivers for ti
[04:12] <NeoChaosX> ....point
[04:12] <Hobbsee|CInstall> im' not sure how full the cd's are, but you cant add too much stuff, before it wont all fit on 1 cd
[04:12] <NeoChaosX> ah, yeah, that's right
[04:13] <NeoChaosX> well, at least wpa_gui works in Dapper
[04:13] <Thedek> personally, I think a 'Network Install CD' would be nice, and during the install let the user choose the repo's they want.
[04:16] <NeoChaosX> besides, now that i think about it, most people with wireless networks either use WEP or no encryption at all
[04:16] <fatejudger> Thedek: that's what SuSE does
[04:16] <NeoChaosX> usually those who use WPA are competent enough to do the work themselves to get their connection working
[04:17] <Crashoveride> hey i have  a qeustion
[04:17] <Hobbsee|CInstall> NeoChaosX: i've never tried it
[04:17] <Parkotron> Hobbsee|CInstall: Does Ubuntu have an official stance on where locally installed software should be put? Some guides use /opt and some use /usr/local. I'd like to put it all in one spot, but am left wondering if there's an official directory.
[04:17] <Hobbsee|CInstall> Crashoveride: ask it
[04:18] <Hobbsee|CInstall> Parkotron: hmm.... IIRC /usr/bin and /usr/sbin are often used, but i'm not sure
[04:18] <Crashoveride> Im running a server over nomachine (remote desktop) All the files are on the server I just want to be able to log off Nomachine and have the servers still running, isnt there a way i can make them run in the background or something so they dont get turned off?
[04:19] <Parkotron> Hobbsee|CInstall: Thanks anyway. Maybe I'll ask on the Ubuntu channel.
[04:20] <robotgeek> Parkotron: one sec
[04:21] <Hobbsee|CInstall> oh grr, not this again!
[04:21] <Crashoveride> ?
[04:22] <robotgeek> Parkotron: http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/fhs/
[04:22] <Hobbsee|CInstall> Crashoveride: just having some problems with uploading...
[04:22] <Hobbsee|CInstall> freeflying: ok, stop complaining :P
[04:22] <Crashoveride> ok so did yyou see my message?
[04:23] <Hobbsee|CInstall> yes, and i have no idea, sorry
[04:23] <robotgeek> Crashoveride: you are looking for resume support, is it?
[04:24] <Crashoveride> robotgeek: more like I want to log of and the servers will stay up and when i log back in I can still see the same thing, for example I can still put in commands.
[04:24] <Hobbsee|CInstall> er, that was supposed to be for fatejudger
[04:25] <fatejudger> ?
[04:25] <fatejudger> I didn't even say anything!
[04:25] <robotgeek> Crashoveride: there 's a suspend thing if you close the window in the client
[04:25] <robotgeek> it doesn't work very well
[04:25] <Parkotron> robotgeek: Thanks. I really should have thought to check the Debian standard.
[04:25] <Hobbsee|CInstall> fatejudger: about checkinstall - i just uploaded the fix..
[04:25] <Crashoveride> robotgeek: ok ill try that.
[04:26] <Parkotron> robotgeek: By the way that's a pretty handy reference. I'm definitely going to bookmark it.
[04:26] <robotgeek> Crashoveride: the suspend dialog appears within the client window, very non-inuitive
[04:26] <fatejudger> Hobbsee|CInstall: nice, thanks
[04:27] <robotgeek> Parkotron: yes, for all debian needs.
[04:27] <robotgeek> Parkotron: for ubuntu needs , check help.ubuntu.com (breezy) doc.ubuntu.com (dapper)
[04:27] <Crashoveride> robotgeek: awesome that works great, my linux love has incresed by 2% thanks for the help =D
[04:31] <Hobbsee|CInstall> fatejudger: if you could test http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2150 - that would be awesome
[04:32] <Hobbsee|CInstall> a few people have already tested it, but it's gotta be *really* well tested and work properly to get UVF exception approved status
[04:32] <fatejudger> you want me to download checkinstall?
[04:32] <Hobbsee> from that page?  yeah
[04:32] <fatejudger> how do I check it?
[04:32] <fatejudger> don't I need the package?
[04:32] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: oh, you fixed the bug?
[04:32] <robotgeek> the installwatch bug
[04:33] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: i dont know about the install watch bug - was that the segfault?
[04:33] <robotgeek> yup. segfault on mkdir
[04:33] <Parkotron> robotgeek: OK, after reading your link I'm still uncertain. /opt is to be used for "Add-on application software" while /usr/local should "locally installed software".
[04:33] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: where's the package?
[04:33] <Hobbsee> looks like that was fixed on upstream...
[04:34] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2150
[04:34] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I'm already there
[04:34] <Hobbsee> do a dpkg-source +x foo.dsc
[04:34] <Parkotron> robotgeek: I'm guessing that means /usr/local is the right spot for self compiled stuff. But what exactly is "Add-on application software"?
[04:35] <robotgeek> Parkotron: a good spot for binary stuff which you havent compiled
[04:35] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: what does the +x do? i generally use -x
[04:35] <Hobbsee> er, -
[04:35] <Hobbsee> -x
[04:36] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: you arent identified?
[04:37] <Hobbsee> ah, cos i was using an unregged nick, then changed back
[04:37] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: help?
[04:37] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: with?
[04:37] <robotgeek> fatejudger: you need to download all the (3) files
[04:37] <Hobbsee> download those three files, then go to where you downloaded, and run dpkg-source -x foo.dsc
[04:37] <Hobbsee> do  you have to do a debuild after that?
[04:38] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: ok,  I'm missing some package
[04:38] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: what package gives me dpkg-source?
[04:38] <robotgeek> fatejudger: dpkg-dev i think
[04:40] <robotgeek> fatejudger: sudo apt-get build-dep checkinstall
[04:40] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: it's -x
[04:40] <Hobbsee> yes, i just foun dout
[04:40] <fatejudger> the package isn't there
[04:41] <fatejudger> it can't find it
[04:41] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: btw, feature freeze was from feb 22
[04:41] <Hobbsee> which package?
[04:41] <Thedek> How do I make Firefox the hanlder for http:// links?
[04:41] <fatejudger> E: Unable to find a source package for checkinstall
[04:41] <Thedek> *handler, even.
[04:42] <robotgeek> fatejudger: oh okay, it isn't in the repos, so that wont work
[04:43] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: install "installwatch, file, make" and you should be fine
[04:45] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: is that in universe?
[04:45] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: You don't have permission to access /revu1-incoming/checkinstall-0603152225/checkinstall_1.6.0-0ubuntu1_source.changes
[04:45] <Hobbsee> install watch should be, yeah
[04:45] <fatejudger> !sources.list
[04:45] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[04:45] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: hmm...i'm getting that too...
[04:46] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I got the same error
[04:46] <fatejudger> maybe you don't need that file
[04:46] <Hobbsee> hey, wait
[04:46] <Hobbsee> where's the .diff.gz?
[04:46] <Hobbsee> oh darn it!
[04:46] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: it does build though
[04:48] <Hobbsee> darn!!!  and now it's on revu as well, and wont upload the fixed version
[04:48] <robotgeek> dang it
[04:49] <Hobbsee> and now we have sig problems again!
[04:49] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: meh, page me when you get the problem fixed, I need to boot into Windows to finish my homework
[04:50] <Hobbsee> ah, *now* it's uploading
[04:54] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: ping when it uploads
[04:54] <Arcanimus> oh well... bbl - night all
[04:59] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: ping
[05:03] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: does it build really fast?
[05:03] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: yeah, it's only small
[05:03] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2151
[05:03] <robotgeek> okay, let me install and try
[05:03] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: no, i already built the deb. it built very quickly
[05:05] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: any tips on what to checkinstall, nothing enter my mind now
[05:06] <Hobbsee> um...
[05:06] <Hobbsee> something small?
[05:06] <Hobbsee> a theme from kde look?
[05:10] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: did i miss anything?
[05:10] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: no, i just found something to compile, moment
[05:10] <Hobbsee> ok
[05:15] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: how do i make a build process use a different automake?
[05:15] <Hobbsee> uhm....
[05:15] <Hobbsee> modify the makefile, maybe?
[05:15] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure on that one
[05:19] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: i am feeling very unlucky.
[05:19] <Hobbsee> hehe why?
[05:19] <Hobbsee> nothign works?
[05:20] <tarmath> robotgeek: try looking in makefile.am ... more often than not versions are enforced there
[05:20] <robotgeek> tarmath: no, i picked another application and that doesn't compile after passing the configure
[05:20] <robotgeek> *sigh*
[05:20] <tarmath> robotgeek: I was answering the question you asked
[05:21] <robotgeek> thanks tarmath.
[05:21] <Hobbsee> lol
[05:23] <robotgeek> tarmath: it was hardcoded in the makefile, let see
[05:24] <robotgeek> tarmath: looks like it got past the first stage, thanks
[05:26] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10319 lemme recheck my build
[05:32] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10320 is the complete build log
[05:32] <httpdss> from where can i change kde's dpi ??
[05:32] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: yeah, weird.  i'm reproducing that too...darn
[05:39] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: googling brings to checksintall bug page, not very helpful.
[05:43] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: looks like a bug in the source package, /usr/bin/checkinstall
[05:43] <Hobbsee> yes, unfortunately
[05:44] <Hobbsee> hehe - you been watching -motu?
[05:45] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: nope, just joined
[05:45] <Hobbsee> ah ok, i'll pastebin
[05:46] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/604833
[05:50] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: are you checking your /notice's
[05:50] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: crud!
[05:50] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: exactly
[05:50] <Hobbsee> dammit!
[05:51] <Hobbsee> i checked for that, i really did
[05:51] <Hobbsee> and the notices dont flash
[05:51] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: just use a better client really, like irssi :)
[05:53] <Hobbsee> ok, that's changed
[05:56] <vijay> hi, can any one tell me a nice transparent theme??
[05:58] <regeya_> transparent theme...?
[05:59] <vijay> regeya_:means, glassy look
[05:59] <aero24> anyone know if there are drivers for a linksys USB adapter?
[06:00] <robotgeek> !wireless
[06:00] <ubotu> somebody said wireless was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards if it does not work out of the box https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper windows drivers
[06:01] <aero24> does it matter if it internal or USB adapter?
[06:02] <aero24> aw no driver for it yet, thanks for the help
[06:10] <anubis> Dapper 64bit Kubuntu is broken, but you guys knew that right?
[06:12] <Pyrobob> are there any good free programs for running .net framework tools on Linux?
[06:12] <robotgeek> Pyrobob: mono
[06:13] <robotgeek> Pyrobob: no, mono is Free in all sense of the word, i think
[06:14] <Pyrobob> then I'll check again. might have followed a wrong link
[06:14] <Pyrobob> being stupid lol
[06:14] <Pyrobob> but what about
[06:14] <Pyrobob> dotgnu?
[06:14] <Pyrobob> is it better?
[06:14] <Pyrobob> wose?
[06:14] <frank23> Pyrobob: mono is the equivalent but it's not perfect. and you have to recompile the program with it
[06:14] <robotgeek> Pyrobob: http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page
[06:15] <_mike> anyone know if there's a baghira package for kubuntu I can get?
[06:15] <Pyrobob> on the momo-project site already, robotgeek
[06:15] <Pyrobob> but thanks for the link
[06:15] <_mike> !baghira
[06:15] <ubotu> _mike: Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:15] <_mike> !motd
[06:15] <ubotu> parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, _mike
[06:15] <_mike> !fortune
[06:15] <ubotu> Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, _mike
[06:16] <robotgeek> !botabuse
[06:16] <ubotu> You can play with me in /msg or #debian-bots without being banned.
[06:16] <tristanmike> _mike, check kde-look.org
[06:16] <_mike> tristanmike: thanks
[06:17] <Pyrobob> if I installed both dotgnu AND mono, would they interfer with each other?
[06:19] <frank23> what is dotgnu?
[06:19] <Pyrobob> got a link from a google search for running .net programs with it
[06:19] <Pyrobob> said somthing about its based for web stuff and mono was based for somthing else
[06:19] <Pyrobob> didn't really pay attentino
[06:19] <Pyrobob> attention* when reading it
[06:20] <Pyrobob> http://www.devchannel.org/devtoolschannel/04/04/16/1755236.shtml
[06:20] <Pyrobob> where I found out about dotgnu
[06:24] <Pyrobob> yay! firefox lag!
[06:26] <mister_roboto> f
[06:27] <Pyrobob> ff
[06:29] <Pyrobob> and it insalls....
[06:29] <Pyrobob> installs*
[06:34] <Pyrobob> its installed. to open programs now, do I just click it? or open it with mono? or Wine?
[06:34] <Pyrobob> or what?
[06:38] <Pyrobob> Take that as Wine...
[06:40] <frank23> Pyrobob: for dot net programs?
[06:40] <frank23> Pyrobob: you need the source code and compile with mono
[06:41] <Pyrobob> what if the .net program was made for windows?
[06:42] <me2win> !ntfs
[06:42] <Pyrobob> lol
[06:42] <ubotu> from memory, ntfs is the filesystem used in Windows NT and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[06:42] <frank23> Pyrobob: I don't know how it works exactly but I know you need to compile with mono
[06:42] <robotgeek> Pyrobob: maybe your questiosn are better askedin ##mono
[06:42] <Pyrobob> yeah probably is
[07:12] <Pyrobob> and it didn't help
[07:12] <bhongong> hi, can i ask a question? How can i make my USB Wifi (Surecom EP-90001-g) work with Kubuntu? KinfoCenter found the USB Wifi Pen Drive
[07:13] <Pyrobob> did it come with an install disc?
[07:13] <Pyrobob> the WiFi USB Pen Drive, I mean
[07:15] <bhongong> yes but only for windows
[07:15] <Pyrobob> download a windows emulator
[07:15] <Pyrobob> such as Wine and see if it runs with that
[07:15] <Pyrobob> think Wine is in the Repos
[07:16] <bhongong> i have wine
[07:16] <Random_Transit> emulating device drivers?? is that a good idea?
[07:17] <Pyrobob> yep
[07:17] <Pyrobob> n.n
[07:20] <Random_Transit> bhongong...this may sound drastic, but ever think of recompiling your kernel with support for USB wireless devices built-in?
[07:20] <Pyrobob> my way seemed easier
[07:20] <Random_Transit> well
[07:21] <bhongong> how do i kill a process..
[07:21] <Pyrobob> killall <process name>
[07:21] <Random_Transit> ctrl+alt+esc also works
[07:21] <bhongong> i installed the USB Wifi driver and it hanged up
[07:21] <bhongong> i cannot close the wine window
[07:21] <Random_Transit> yeah...WINE'll do that
[07:22] <Pyrobob> but ctrl+alt+esc. doesn't work on everything
[07:22] <cerebrix> so when you try to install something and youre told the system cant because its missing something, and then you try to install that and it can, and so on and so forth, thats whats known as dependency hell i take it =p
[07:22] <Pyrobob> perfect example would be
[07:22] <Pyrobob> xpenguins
[07:22] <bhongong> ctrl+alt+esc did it
[07:22] <bhongong> :(
[07:22] <Pyrobob> could have been a one-time deal
[07:22] <Pyrobob> try again and see if it lags again
[07:22] <Random_Transit> bhongong...hold up, I'm going to see if I can find anything out myself on google
[07:23] <bhongong> now that means wine driver installation does not work
[07:23] <Pyrobob> mabe CrossOver Office?
[07:23] <cerebrix> question: after a clean install exactly when after the first boot should one use automatiKs if they were going to use that to automate upgrades?
[07:23] <bhongong> i haven't tried recompiling a kernel.. i think its too much for a newbie like me
[07:23] <Pyrobob> works for everything for me that Wine didn't work with
[07:24] <bhongong> however i successfully make the USB Wifi worked on WinXP inside VMWare
[07:24] <Random_Transit> bhongong...i'm still a bit newbie myself
[07:24] <Random_Transit> but there's a great tutorial on the ubuntuforums...if you're ever interested
[07:26] <Random_Transit> bhongong, what version of kubuntu?
[07:26] <bhongong> I can surf the net inside WInXP on VMWare using the USB Wifi what i want is make it work in Kubuntu because it is my primary OS
[07:27] <bhongong> 5.10
[07:27] <Random_Transit> ok
[07:27] <Random_Transit> 32-bit?
[07:27] <bhongong> yep
[07:27] <Random_Transit> k
[07:28] <Random_Transit> have you ever set up wifi on linux before?
[07:28] <bhongong> nope :(
[07:28] <Random_Transit> ok
[07:28] <cerebrix> question should one update adept fully before using something like automatiKs or do automatiKs first and then update using adept after a clean install?
[07:29] <Random_Transit> as with all things, KDE makes wifi easier than you might believe
[07:29] <Pyrobob> I did WiFi the simple way
[07:29] <bhongong> how?
[07:29] <Pyrobob> my NIC card was compatable with Linux.
[07:30] <Pyrobob> just used a network cable-to-wifi adapter
[07:30] <Random_Transit> hobbsee, works fine for me
[07:30] <Pyrobob> looks like a little box sitting next to my monitor
[07:30] <Random_Transit> ok
[07:30] <Random_Transit> so, bhongong
[07:30] <Hobbsee> Random_Transit: was it native, or ndiswrapper?  and are you using encryption?
[07:30] <Random_Transit> native
[07:30] <Random_Transit> WEP
[07:31] <bhongong> one more thing about encryption, we have 128bit key
[07:31] <Random_Transit> ok
[07:31] <Random_Transit> bhongong, go to control center
[07:31] <Random_Transit> should be in the K menu
[07:31] <bhongong> ok
[07:32] <Hobbsee> Random_Transit: ah yep. wap is much more nasty :P
[07:32] <Random_Transit> k...hold on...just starting control center myself...to follow along
[07:32] <Hobbsee> although, once it works, it continues to work, till you screw up the config somehow
[07:32] <Random_Transit> yeah...but i need WEP in order to use my Nintendo DS with my wifi
[07:32] <Random_Transit> DS doesn't support WPA yet
[07:33] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: have you tried wlassistant
[07:33] <Pyrobob> the DS doesn't support it in stock condition
[07:33] <Pyrobob> but it supports it after some modification
[07:33] <Pyrobob> s
[07:33] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: ah, not yet
[07:33] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: works quite decently
[07:33] <Random_Transit> yeah, but i don't feel like tweaking it just now
[07:33] <Pyrobob> I installed Linux on mine
[07:33] <Random_Transit> anyway, bhongong
[07:33] <Pyrobob> n.n
[07:34] <bhongong> yes
[07:34] <Random_Transit> go to network settings
[07:34] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: it's not in repos?
[07:34] <bhongong> ok
[07:35] <Random_Transit> oh...wait...my bad
[07:35] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: no, tonio made a package today
[07:35] <Hobbsee> ah, ok
[07:35] <Random_Transit> no...actually i was right
[07:36] <bhongong> next ? :)
[07:36] <Random_Transit> now, enter admin mode
[07:36] <Random_Transit> click administration mode and type in your password
[07:37] <bhongong> i opened it using sudo kcontrol i think i'm admin already, am i?
[07:37] <Random_Transit> yup
[07:37] <Random_Transit> btw. are you using DHCP?
[07:37] <bhongong> yes
[07:37] <Random_Transit> good
[07:37] <Random_Transit> makes things easier
[07:37] <Random_Transit> ^_^
[07:38] <bhongong> btw, I'm wired to the Wifi Router
[07:38] <Random_Transit> what are the interfaces listed?
[07:38] <Random_Transit> your wireless should be ath0
[07:38] <bhongong> only eth0 is there
[07:38] <Random_Transit> hmm
[07:39] <bhongong> but the USB Wifi is also in the same machine
[07:39] <Random_Transit> do you have it plugged into a hub?
[07:40] <bhongong> what do you mean?
[07:40] <Random_Transit> a USB hub
[07:40] <Pyrobob> a router made for the USB is what he means by a USB hub
[07:40] <Random_Transit> like something that can wire more than one device to a single port
[07:40] <bhongong> yes, but my machine is also wired to the Wifi Router
[07:41] <Random_Transit> ah
[07:41] <bhongong> the USB Wifi is inserted in the USB port in the same machien
[07:41] <Random_Transit> linux doesn't like USB hubs, i've found
[07:41] <Pyrobob> mine works fine
[07:42] <Pyrobob> was a plug-and-play
[07:42] <Random_Transit> mine works...until i tried to use a printer with it
[07:42] <Pyrobob> just plugged it in and everything worked.
[07:42] <bhongong> no, it is directly inserted in my PC's USB Port
[07:42] <Random_Transit> ok
[07:42] <Pyrobob> my printer, stereo, mouse, and keyboard all work.
[07:43] <bhongong> but how do I make the wifi show up in the Network Interfaces.. If it is there is should work right?
[07:43] <Random_Transit> yeah...i'm looking into that
[07:45] <Random_Transit> bhongong...go to your settings menu
[07:45] <Random_Transit> in k menu
[07:46] <bhongong> ok
[07:46] <Random_Transit> and go to networking
[07:46] <bhongong> network settigs
[07:46] <Random_Transit> sure
[07:46] <bhongong> it is the same with kControl
[07:47] <Random_Transit> oh...my bad again...
[07:47] <bhongong> but this time everything is disabled
[07:47] <Hobbsee> ping
[07:47] <Pyrobob> so yours is (K)Ubuntu
[07:47] <Pyrobob> not Kubuntu
[07:47] <Random_Transit> yeah
[07:47] <Tm_T> moin
[07:47] <Pyrobob> xP
[07:48] <Random_Transit> same diff, for all intents and purposes
[07:48] <Pyrobob> I need to update my KDE
[07:48] <Random_Transit> just minor discrepancies
[07:48] <Hobbsee> hehe :)
[07:48] <Hobbsee> thanks
[07:48] <Pyrobob> your welcome
[07:48] <Hobbsee> finding some nice stuff in gnome, which i'd like in kde
[07:48] <Pyrobob> its chocolate-sugar
[07:48] <Hobbsee> then again, i'm finding some really annoying stuff, which i never want to see again
[07:49] <Pyrobob> lol
[07:49] <Pyrobob> you can't run them together at the same time?
[07:49] <Hobbsee> you can
[07:49] <Pyrobob> with an external booting device you could
[07:49] <Hobbsee> but you can only be logged in at once
[07:49] <Pyrobob> yeah
[07:49] <Hobbsee> *to one at once
[07:49] <Hobbsee> you can install ubuntu-desktop from kubuntu, and vice versa
[07:49] <Pyrobob> no not if you use an external manager to boot and run everything
[07:49] <Pyrobob> think Knoppix:STD have a program for that
[07:50] <Hobbsee> good piont
[07:50] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: you and your pionts
[07:50] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: hehe...yes, i cant spell, what's new
[07:50] <Pyrobob> do that, then you can log into as many desktop OS's as you have installed on your machine at once
[07:50] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: ;)
[07:50] <Pyrobob> + 1 for logging into the external manager
[07:51] <Pyrobob> hell. do that, and you could run Windows and Linux at the same time
[07:51] <Random_Transit> bhongong...go to a console and type iwconfig
[07:51] <Pyrobob> or 2 different versions of Linux, or Mac and Linux, etc.
[07:51] <Pyrobob> or if you got a tri-boot going on, do a 3 way with your booting
[07:52] <bhongong> no ath0 there
[07:52] <Random_Transit> just straight Ubuntu now
[07:53] <bhongong> lo no wireless extensions, eth0 no wireless, sit0 no wireles, vmnet8 no wireless
[07:53] <Random_Transit> no ath0, huh?
[07:53] <Pyrobob> series*
[07:53] <Random_Transit> O_o
[07:53] <bhongong> yup :(
[07:53] <Pyrobob> if your trying to pick up the USB pen thing for a wireless signal, your not gonna get one without installing it
[07:53] <Pyrobob> because your missing drivers used to run it
[07:54] <Pyrobob> trying to pick up a wireless signal with the USB pen thing*
[07:54] <Random_Transit> bhongong, not to sound like a shithead or anything...but have you checked google yourself for drivers?
[07:55] <robotgeek> bhongong: paste "lsusb -v" output into pastebin
[07:55] <Pyrobob> just install it to a special file in a windows PC (like, USB driver) on the desktop
[07:55] <Pyrobob> burn that to a CD
[07:55] <Pyrobob> copy it over to Linux
[07:55] <Pyrobob> rhn the file with somthing like Wine
[07:55] <Pyrobob> and see if it works
[07:55] <Pyrobob> no comfiguring necissary
[07:55] <Pyrobob> configuring*
[07:55] <robotgeek> Pyrobob: what are you talking about
[07:55] <Pyrobob> I haven't got a clue
[07:55] <Pyrobob> xD
[07:56] <Pyrobob> I was thinking one thing
[07:56] <Pyrobob> went to type it out and it became somthing else
[07:56] <robotgeek> bhongong: please paste the output into the pastebin. /topic
[07:56] <Random_Transit> O_o...pyrobob, what the bollocks are you on...and where can i get some???
[07:59] <bhongong> paste bin?
[07:59] <nalioth> !pastebin
[07:59] <nalioth> !paste
[07:59] <bhongong> !pastbin
[07:59] <ubotu> bhongong: Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:59] <ubotu> Don't flood the channel! Please use the pastebin at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ or the channel #flood to paste large amount of text.
[07:59] <bhongong> !pastebin
[08:00] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: looks nice - no wpa, but it'll be useful for at uni
[08:00] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: you could also try Lure's knetworkmanager :)
[08:00] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: and where's that?  revu?
[08:01] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LukaRenko it apparently doesn't work yet, i tht he got it working
[08:03] <bhongong> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10324
[08:03] <Jambon> how do i play ogg video files?
[08:04] <robotgeek> bhongong: what card did you have again?
[08:04] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: oh yeah, i tried that a couple of days ago
[08:04] <Hobbsee> have been having network troubles ever since
[08:04] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: lol
[08:04] <bhongong> Surecom EP-90001-g
[08:05] <bhongong> it's USB Wifi
[08:06] <robotgeek> bhongong: you mean a 9001g right
[08:08] <bhongong> http://www.surecom-net.com/pd-wireless-9001-g.htm
[08:08] <bhongong> that's the product
[08:08] <robotgeek> bhongong: it is supposed to work with ralink
[08:09] <bhongong> ralink?
[08:10] <fatejudger> !sources.list
[08:10] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[08:10] <fatejudger> !fglrx
[08:10] <ubotu> [fglrx]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:10] <robotgeek> bhongong: http://ralink.rapla.net/
[08:11] <bhongong> w8
[08:11] <bhongong> checking
[08:11] <robotgeek> bhongong: i think at this stage your best bet is ndiswrapper
[08:13] <bhongong> http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Downloads which one do i download?
[08:14] <robotgeek> bhongong: okay, need some more informatio from you. what hardware revision is our card
[08:14] <bhongong> how do i know that?
[08:14] <robotgeek> bhongong: it should be somewhere on the usb
[08:14] <bhongong> w8
[08:15] <robotgeek> bhongong: a1/a2/a3
[08:17] <bhongong> i can't find it written anywhere
[08:17] <bhongong> 3A
[08:18] <bhongong> is that it? EP-90001-g\3A
[08:18] <robotgeek> bhongong: okay. better use ndiswrapper for now
[08:18] <robotgeek> ubotu: tell bhongong about ndiswrapper
[08:18] <bhongong> where do i get it?
[08:20] <dj_tasaka> hey guys, i have a question about suspend-to-disk and suspend-to-ram on kubuntu dapper
[08:20] <dj_tasaka> the question is simple: how do i get it to work?
[08:21] <dj_tasaka> right now i am not even sure which command to issue to make the system *try* to suspend
[08:21] <dj_tasaka> the ubuntu wiki only said something about this being available from the gnome system menu. as i'm using kubuntu, i guess that's not an option
[08:24] <bhongong> gee.. im installing phyton-gnome2.4 first
[08:25] <bhongong> ok now what?
[08:27] <bhongong> I get error when I run sudo /usr/bin/ndisgtk
[08:27] <bhongong> gksudo /usr/bin/ndisgtk also   have problem
[08:28] <bhongong> it says check your Gnome installation and I am using KDE.. :'(
[08:29] <robotgeek> bhongong: do it from the command line methods
[08:32] <bhongong> i have done the sudos
[08:32] <bhongong> sudo dpkg -i ndiswrapper-utils_1.1-4ubuntu2_i386.deb
[08:32] <Pyrobob> who wants to see a distro of Linux from hell?
[08:32] <bhongong> sudo dpkg -i ndisgtk_0.5-1ubuntu1_all.d
[08:33] <bhongong> do i have to copy the windows drive rversion
[08:33] <bhongong> from the cd?
[08:34] <robotgeek> bhongong: yes, you have to copy windows drivers from cd/website
[08:40] <bhongong> hi, but it has no inf file in it.. only an Executable file
[08:41] <robotgeek> bhongong: try cabextract
[08:43] <bhongong> it is not cab it's .exe
[08:43] <robotgeek> bhongong: not sure, that generally works on exe sometimes
[08:45] <bhongong> how do i use it?
[08:45] <bhongong> i already installed it dpkg -i
[08:48] <judgen> After i installed dapper and played with the mixer app, the sound sounds crappy and xmms volume control does not work, any ideas?
[08:49] <_demon> can anyone help me with an External Hard Drive issue?
[08:50] <bhongong> Robotgeek> ok i have extracted the .exe file but there is no inf files there only .dlls
[08:50] <_demon> its enabled and mounted but i get "Could not enter folder /media/sda1."
[08:51] <judgen> where is the alsa config stored?
[08:52] <robotgeek> bhongong: oh, i am not sure what to do next. i have never used ndiswraper
[08:53] <judgen> if i remove the alsa mixers config, it will go back to default right?
[08:53] <bhongong> :'( gee i never thought this could be hard..
[08:54] <robotgeek> _demon: open a console and try cd /media/sda1
[08:55] <Kao|Away> bhongong: you may need to install the driver on a windows box, and then find the INF file...
[08:55] <Kao|Away> what card is it, btw?
[08:56] <bhongong> USB Wifi (Surecom EP-90001-g)
[08:56] <_demon> (robotgeek)  then what?
[08:56] <bhongong> wait i have made it work in WinXP inside VMWare in Ubuntu. i'll check it now
[08:56] <Kao|Away> ah, USB?
[08:56] <bhongong> yes
[08:57] <Kao|Away> yeah, check your XP install, see if you can find the name of the INF file
[08:57] <bhongong> where should it be located? any idea what folder in winxp?
[08:57] <Kao|Away> if you can, just copy the INF file and any other relavent files to the host, and there ya be :)
[08:57] <Kao|Away> c:\windows\system32\inf, i do believe
[08:57] <judgen> if i remove the alsa mixers config, it will go back to default right?
[09:00] <bhongong> wow! there are lots of inf files in there
[09:00] <bhongong> which one is it.. <sigh>
[09:01] <Acksaw> just got my 15 ubu cds
[09:02] <Kao|Away> bhongong: yeah, *doze uses that dir to store *all* driver files that it has...
[09:02] <Kao|Away> not just the ones that are actually being used...
[09:03] <Kao|Away> let me do a lil lookin around, and see what i can find...
[09:03] <Kao|Away> what windows version driver are you using? XP?
[09:03] <bhongong> yes
[09:04] <Kao|Away> whats the PCIID of that card, btw?
[09:06] <_demon> does kubuntu support NTFS external hard drives?
[09:07] <Chousuke> read-only.
[09:07] <_demon> not a way to write?
[09:07] <Kao|Away> unless you recompile the kernel
[09:07] <_demon> sounds out of my league
[09:07] <Kao|Away> and add NTFS write support...
[09:08] <Chousuke> DevGet: no way to write reliably.
[09:08] <Kao|Away> ive done it. once.
[09:08] <Chousuke> _demon: even
[09:08] <Kao|Away> and no, it wasnt reliable.
[09:08] <Chousuke> Kao|Away: you can only overwrite files of the same size.
[09:09] <_demon> i see... not worth it.. Im only assuming its an NTSF drive... No other settings seem to do anything
[09:09] <Kao|Away> Chousuke: i dont know the specifics.. all i know is that a few of the files i wrote were fine, some were trash, and after 20 or so writes, the entire partition was toast :)
[09:11] <lubo> hello guys, is anyone using PCMCIA wireles card with kubuntu?
[09:11] <bhongong> Kao, any update?
[09:11] <Kao|Away> bhongong: wb... did you see my last post before you left?
[09:11] <lubo> I need a tip for wireless PCMCIA/CARDBUS card which will work with my dapper kubuntu..
[09:11] <bhongong> i don't think so.. i get disconnected
[09:11] <Kao|Away> whats the PCIID of that card, btw?
[09:12] <bhongong> sorry, can you paste it again?
[09:12] <Kao|Away> lubo: if it doesnt work natively, there's always ndiswrapper :)
[09:12] <Kao|Away> took me about 5 mins to get my PCI wireless-G card running on Breezy
[09:12] <Kao|Away> bhongong: whats the PCIID on your wireless card?
[09:13] <bhongong> its in a card its USB r
[09:13] <lubo> Kao what type of card do you have?
[09:13] <bhongong> its not a cart its USB
[09:13] <Kao|Away> lubo: Airnet AWD154
[09:14] <Kao|Away> lubo: they also make a PCMCIA version of the card... it's the Airnet AWN154
[09:14] <lubo> thanks Kao for a tip...
[09:15] <Kao|Away> n/p.. glad i could help :)
[09:16] <lubo> currently looking on ebay... but no airnet for australia:-)
[09:16] <lubo> Kao do you know what chipset does your card have?
[09:17] <Kao|Away> lubo: sure do.. Marvell.. hang on, ill get you hte full PCIID
[09:17] <Kao|Away> lubo: Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd.: Unknown device 1faa (rev 03)
[09:18] <Kao|Away> bhongong: do you have the A1, A2 or 3A model?
[09:18] <lubo> I got this list form my friend... http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz
[09:19] <lubo> Kao is this the card what you are talking about?
[09:19] <lubo> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Cisco-Aironet-802-11a-b-g-Wireless-CardBus-Adapter_W0QQitemZ8781021836QQcategoryZ3710QQssPageNameZWD7VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[09:19] <Kao|Away> lubo: no. its not an Cisco card.
[09:19] <Kao|Away> it's an Airnet card.
[09:19] <Kao|Away> not Aironet ;)
[09:20] <lubo> ok..
[09:25] <Kao|Away> bhongong: are you still with me?
[09:26] <bhongong> yes sorry
[09:27] <Kao|Away> bhongong: in the INF folder on your XP install...
[09:27] <Kao|Away> look for ZD1211U.inf
[09:28] <bhongong> w8
[09:29] <bhongong> there is none
[09:29] <bhongong> no inf file starting with Z either
[09:29] <Kao|Away> ok
[09:30] <Kao|Away> do you have the A1, A2, or 3A model?
[09:30] <bhongong> 3A
[09:30] <bhongong> w8 i check the driver folder in WInxp
[09:31] <bhongong> it is not using .inf file. its a sys file
[09:31] <bhongong> rt2500usb.sys
[09:31] <Kao|Away> check hte INF folder for rt2500usb.inf
[09:32] <Kao|Away> yes, the SYS file is the actual driver... the INF file tells windows what file to use :)
[09:35] <Kao|Away> and thats a realtek chipset...
[09:35] <bhongong> then how do i use it. :-(
[09:36] <Kao|Away> hang on.. im getting there ;)
[09:36] <Kao|Away> gotta do some looking..
[09:36] <tobstarr> hi
[09:36] <Kao|Away> bhongong: just for kicks... open a terminal and type "lspci" see if it shows your card
[09:37] <Kao|Away> err.. adapter
[09:37] <tobstarr> does anyone know, if i can use the konqueror bookmarks with katapult?
[09:38] <bhongong> nope
[09:38] <bhongong> none
[09:38] <Kao|Away> ok
[09:38] <Kao|Away> well, according to the ndiswrapper list, you can use a driver made for a different card... it uses the same driver, so it wont matter
[09:39] <Kao|Away> bhongong: go here http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/List
[09:39] <Kao|Away> check out entry 22 under the A's
[09:40] <Kao|Away> finding several cards/USB adapters using the same chipset
[09:41] <bhongong> ok
[09:42] <Kao|Away> just search the page for rt2500 :)
[09:42] <Kao|Away> and on that note, im going to bed.. work tomorrow, and im tired
[09:42] <Kao|Away> good luck to ya bhongong :)
[09:43] <bhongong> ok thanks Kao and to the rest..
[09:43] <bhongong> RobotGeek and Terminal. thanks. i'll be on a search for answers
[09:47] <Chodder> How can I set mozilla to be my default browser instead of konqueror?
[09:48] <Tm_T> Chodder: what?!
[09:48] <Tm_T> ;(
[09:48] <Chodder> I like konqueror (it's my fav) but I need something really low resources for this build
[09:48] <Chodder> Tm_T, do you know how?
[09:48] <Tm_T> Chodder: kcontrol -> KDE components -> components
[09:48] <Chodder> ok
[09:48] <Tm_T> I do ;)
[09:49] <Chodder> thanks :)
[09:50] <bhongong> :-D i learn tooo
[09:52] <Chodder> Tm_T, I dont see it in there
[09:53] <Tm_T> Chodder: hm?
[09:54] <Chodder> Ya it deffinitely isnt in there
[09:54] <Chodder> Any other ideas before I head over  to #kde ?
[09:54] <Tm_T> Chodder: kcontrol -> KDE components -> Component Chooser -> Web Browser
[09:54] <Tm_T> it IS there
[09:54] <Chodder> I dont have component chooser
[09:55] <Chodder> lol
[09:55] <Tm_T> you can also use search
[09:55] <Tm_T> ;)
[09:55] <Chodder> Im serious its not there
[09:55] <Chodder> I know what your talking about
[09:55] <Chodder> It's just not there
[09:56] <Tm_T> then, nocando
[09:56] <Tm_T> ;(
[09:56] <Chodder> Tm_T, woops, I was looking in the "retard" kcontrol
[09:56] <Tm_T> you might lack some package(s)
[09:57] <Tm_T> Chodder: ah!
[09:57] <Tm_T> haha
[09:58] <Chodder> Only reason I use kubuntu is it's faster to get a debian unstable "like" system
[09:59] <Chodder> Hmm... I probably have to logout and back in for that change to effect
[09:59] <Chodder> brb
[10:04] <stephanosky> giorno a tutti
[10:04] <Tm_T> stephanosky: stop that
[10:04] <Tm_T> !it
[10:04] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[10:05] <stephanosky> a ok grazie
[10:06] <visik7> I've a problem with filesharing -> when I right click on a folder -> proprieties -> share    it says : You need to be authorized to share  folders I click on configure file sharing and it open the file sharing panel but I need to lookup again for the folder I need to share even if in allowed users I'm listed to share folders
[10:07] <visik7> and even if I allow all user to share folder it says the same "You need to be authorized to share"
[10:08] <rysiek|pl> hi there
[10:26] <Jambon> anyone know how to get kmldonkey to work?
[10:26] <rysiek|pl> Yep :)
[10:27] <rysiek|pl> what do you need
[10:27] <Jambon> it says the core isn't running
[10:27] <_hirs> hi
[10:27] <Jambon> i know i installed it
[10:27] <_hirs> There is any extension for konqueror to support greasemonkey?
[10:27] <rysiek|pl> Jambon: ok, how did you install it? with apt, Adept, from sourcecode?
[10:28] <Jambon> synaptic
[10:29] <Jambon> do i need to reinstall them in order?
[10:29] <rysiek|pl> ok, are you using KDE?
[10:29] <Jambon> ya
[10:29] <Jambon> i just kant stand adept
[10:29] <MetaMorfoziS> anybody, please, try: www.passport.net
[10:29] <MetaMorfoziS> and try change your password, when it asks to write the numbers from the picture
[10:29] <rysiek|pl> Jambon, try: KMenu -> Internet -> KMLDonkey
[10:29] <MetaMorfoziS> you write ANYTHING it's not good
[10:29] <MetaMorfoziS> it said you mispelled.
[10:30] <Jambon> rysiek|pl: did
[10:30] <rysiek|pl> and?
[10:30] <MetaMorfoziS> the fuck'n mother's of ms.
[10:30] <Jambon> it says it can't connect
[10:30] <Jambon> and to make sure the core is running
[10:30] <rysiek|pl> Ah, you have to have mlnet running
[10:31] <rysiek|pl> KMLDonkey is only a GUI frontend to mlnet
[10:31] <Jambon> so what do i do?
[10:31] <rysiek|pl> install mlnet :) gimme a sec, I'll check if it's in the repos
[10:32] <Jambon> i can't find it
[10:32] <rysiek|pl> I *think* mldonkey-server should do the trick
[10:32] <Jambon> i have that installed already
[10:32] <Jambon> oh
[10:32] <Jambon> there we g
[10:32] <rysiek|pl> ?
[10:32] <Jambon> i had to run the "mlnet" command to get it to work
[10:32] <rysiek|pl> yep
[10:33] <rysiek|pl> but if you run "mlnet" you have to have the terminal, in which you typed it in, running all the time
[10:33] <rysiek|pl> that's rather inconvenient - try: screen -m -d mlnet
[10:34] <rysiek|pl> eeerrr...
[10:34] <rysiek|pl> that's: screen -d -m mlnet :)
[10:34] <maciek> any ideas why kubuntu-desktop package requires apmd and powernowd?
[10:35] <rysiek|pl> because it contains some apps that depend on those two. why?
[10:35] <maciek> then why these apps depend on powernowd when there's powersaved available?
[10:35] <maciek> silly dependency
[10:35] <Jambon> rysiek|pl: i just alt +f2
[10:36] <rysiek|pl> Jambon: yeah, you can do it like that, but I always prefer to have it running in the background somewhere, rather than in a terminal. but the's perfectly ok, anyway
[10:37] <Jambon> what networks are default?
[10:37] <Jambon> and where do i find servers?
[10:38] <rysiek|pl> you can set up the networks that are being used in the Settings -> Configure MLDonkey dialogue
[10:39] <Jambon> it just gives me the option to add servers
[10:39] <Jambon> and i don't know what servers i can add
[10:39] <rysiek|pl> http://ed2k.2x4u.de/tpymq7p3/min/server.met
[10:39] <rysiek|pl> there you go :)
[10:40] <Jambon> oh
[10:43] <lehmama> got an ALERT! /dev/ram does not exist -- during dvd_dapper installation
[10:43] <bobyfixer> kde is evil buhhahaha
[10:43] <lehmama> some help?
[10:44] <Tm_T> bobyfixer: ?
[10:44] <Tm_T> lehmama: sounds bad
[10:44] <rysiek|pl> lehmama: try asking on #ubuntu, it's the same system, and there are more people on that channel
[10:44] <visik7> ok I retry my answer
[10:44] <visik7> I've a problem with filesharing -> when I right click on a folder -> proprieties -> share    it says : You need to be authorized to share  folders I click on configure file sharing and it open the file sharing panel but I need to lookup again for the folder I need to share even if in allowed users I'm listed to share folders
[10:44] <visik7> and even if I allow all user to share folder it says the same "You need to be authorized to share"
[10:45] <Tm_T> visik7: no idea
[10:45] <visik7> Tm_T: something I can check ?
[10:45] <Tm_T> no idea
[10:45] <Tm_T> ;)
[10:45] <visik7> do u got the same behaviour ?
[10:46] <Tm_T> I don't use any "filesharing" because I have ssh
[10:46] <bobyfixer> botnet alert !
[10:46] <bobyfixer> MUHAHahah
[10:46] <Tm_T> hmm
[10:47] <Jambon> rysiek|pl: where do the downloads go?
[10:48] <Jambon> anyone know where kmldonkey puts the downloads?
[10:49] <rysiek|pl> sorry, been away for a sec
[10:49] <rysiek|pl> Jambon: Settings -> Configure MLDonkey
[10:49] <Jambon> ya......
[10:50] <Jambon> idon't see a setting for that
[10:50] <rysiek|pl> Jambon: ops, my bad. they go to the "incoming" directory
[10:51] <Jambon> which is where?
[10:51] <rysiek|pl> in the MLNet installation dir or in the dir that MLNaet has been run (you have to check that - I always run mlnet from the dir it's installed to)
[10:51] <rysiek|pl> Jambon: locate incoming
[10:51] <Jambon> great
[10:53] <Jambon> is there a way to change where incoming is?
[10:54] <rysiek|pl> Nothing I know about - apart from making it a symlink
[11:06] <DeBert> How can you make kopete popup a window on incoming convo, instead of that annoying balloon?
[11:11] <rysiek|pl> DeBert: Settings -> Behaviour -> General (these are translated from Polish, so they might be a bit different)
[11:12] <DeBert> rysiek|pl: thx
[11:12] <rysiek|pl> and Settings -> Behaviour -> Conversation (the firstcheckbox)
[11:12] <rysiek|pl> no prob
[11:44] <MetaMorfoziS> how can i detect my default "kde directory installation" ?
[11:44] <MetaMorfoziS> http://www.xiaprojects.com/www/prodotti/kxdocker/main.php
[11:44] <MetaMorfoziS> i want compile this
[11:48] <Tm_T> MetaMorfoziS: kde-config --prefix
[11:49] <Tm_T> MetaMorfoziS: use --prefix=`kde-config --prefix`
[11:49] <Tm_T> if that's what you're looking for
[11:52] <rysiek|pl> anybody feeling like doing a little hacking on USplash? :)
[11:53] <Hobbsee> rysiek|pl: if it could be changed from what it is now, kthat'd be good lol
[11:53] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: =)
[11:53] <rysiek|pl> huh? you mean "the image is lame" or "the whole project is lame"? :)
[11:54] <Hobbsee> the image is
[11:54] <rysiek|pl> well, I've changed mine =]
[11:54] <rysiek|pl> and *almost* wrote a howto for it, too ;)
[11:55] <MetaMorfoziS> thany
[11:55] <MetaMorfoziS> x
[11:56] <rysiek|pl> now, the only thing I need is to get usplash.sh to set the console fonts, as it's supposed to
[11:59] <rysiek|pl> anybody knows where them usplash devs are?
[12:03] <Hobbsee> rysiek|pl: i'm not sure who does it
[12:06] <rysiek|pl> darn
[12:07] <w4eg_illuminatus> kann mir jemand sagen, ob es sich lohnt flight 5 mal auszuprobieren...
[12:08] <w4eg_illuminatus> so als otto-normaler user *g*
[12:11] <rysiek|pl> ubotu tell w4eg_illuminatus about de
[12:11] <rysiek|pl> ubotu tell w4eg_illuminatus about nl
[12:11] <rysiek|pl> or whatever is you language ;)
[12:11] <Hobbsee> !de
[12:11] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[12:11] <Hobbsee> it is german
[12:12] <Hobbsee> can i something say, this is something flight 5 something.
[12:12] <Hobbsee> missing a few words in there hehe :P
[12:13] <rysiek|pl> huh?
[12:15] <Hobbsee> rysiek|pl: i tried to translate :P
[12:15] <rysiek|pl> ah :)
[12:17] <_mindspin> w4eg_illuminatus: I would not use it as joe doe user
[12:18] <_mindspin> you'll have no fun
[12:18] <_mindspin> maybe try it on a testing machine , if you have one
[12:28] <nuky> hey, how can i add a session to my start up sessions?
[12:35] <IceBreak> hi, does the flight 5 include the latest kde ver ?
[12:36] <Hobbsee> IceBreak: yes, 3.5.1
[12:36] <IceBreak> how do i install kubuntu on my ubuntu?
[12:36] <IceBreak> to try it out
[12:36] <IceBreak> (using dapper f5)
[12:36] <Hobbsee> !kubuntu
[12:36] <ubotu> somebody said kubuntu was Ubuntu+KDE, (not a fork) ; see http://kubuntu.org and you can go to #kubuntu for KDE-related help, or install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[12:37] <IceBreak> i know that
[12:37] <IceBreak> but i've got ubuntu installed
[12:37] <IceBreak> and i want to enable kubuntu on it
[12:37] <IceBreak> ahh, k :)
[12:37] <IceBreak> i see now
[12:37] <Hobbsee> IceBreak:  install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:37] <IceBreak> tnx
[12:41] <robewald> hi, is there a tool which can convert a hexdump back into ascii?
[12:43] <pulver> hey, how do you make gnome apps inherit kde colors when running a lightweight window manager outside the kde environment?
[12:47] <cristiano> Hello all
[12:47] <_jason_> evening
[12:47] <_jason_> exit
[12:48] <cristiano> I live in Brazil, and I have a problem with filenames on a partition FAT32 shared with Kubuntu and XP.
[12:48] <cristiano> My locate in Kubuntu is pr_BR.UTF-8
[12:49] <cristiano> But the files than I create at Linux appeared with strage caracters when I reboot in Windows.
[12:50] <cristiano> Unfortunately I need to work with XP, I have some tasks to do in Delphi to College.
[12:51] <joh6nn> i'm looking for some help with usb and udev on my kubuntu box
[12:51] <Tm_T> cristiano: hmm, fat32 doesn't support utf-8 afaik
[12:52] <Tm_T> just ascii
[12:52] <joh6nn> trying to get usb devices to mount in persistent locations across multiple mounts
[12:53] <IceBreak> anything i should know
[12:53] <IceBreak> before installing kubuntu-desktop on ubuntu ?
[12:53] <Hobbsee> IceBreak: no, not really
[12:54] <Hobbsee> decide if you want to use gdm or kdm
[12:54] <joh6nn> IceBreak: don't think so; i've done it the other way around with no problem.
[12:54] <Hobbsee> but you cna do that at any point
[12:54] <IceBreak> k
[12:54] <IceBreak> havaent tried kde
[12:54] <IceBreak> in a long time
[12:54] <cristiano> Tm_T: What can I do ?
[12:55] <Tm_T> cristiano: for files you have to share between those systems, use only ascii characters
[12:55] <Tm_T> cristiano: so no
[12:55] <Tm_T> ;)
[12:55] <Tm_T> just e
[12:56] <cristiano> Tm_T: I understand, but I'm affraid tha's not possible. Can I change the locale to be compatible with Windows ?
[12:57] <Tm_T> cristiano: well, it's not about windows (it uses utf-8 iirc) but more about fat32
[12:58] <Tm_T> cristiano: I might be wrong, so check it from somewhere
[12:58] <rolf> Hej! Behver hjlp med Stram... nn som kan??
[12:59] <cristiano> Tm_T: Well, I figured out. Until Linux can't write on NTFS, I'll be forced to use Windows at College :-(
[12:59] <Tm_T> cristiano: yeah, but why you can't use just ascii characters?
[12:59] <Tm_T> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAT32
[12:59] <_mindspin> !se
[12:59] <ubotu> Svensk Ubuntu- och Kubuntusupport hittar du pa #ubuntu.se resp. #kubuntu.se
[12:59] <_mindspin> !dk
[12:59] <ubotu> [dk]  Ubuntu diskussion paa dansk kan foeres i #ubuntu-dk
[01:00] <_mindspin> !nor
[01:00] <ubotu> _mindspin: Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[01:00] <_mindspin> !no
[01:00] <ubotu> Ahh, too bad, I really thought so...
[01:00] <_mindspin> !n
[01:00] <ubotu> _mindspin: Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[01:01] <Tm_T> !botabuse
[01:01] <ubotu> You can play with me in /msg or #debian-bots without being banned.
[01:01] <Tm_T> ;)
[01:01] <_mindspin> btw. I didnT play
[01:01] <cristiano> Tm_T: With my own files, no problem. But I received and share many files with other windows users, and everyone put many  in files. :-(
[01:03] <cristiano> Tm_T: Yesterday I was received a zip with 35 files (a task to do), and almost all files have this problem.
[01:03] <cristiano> TmT: Thanks anyway.
[01:04] <MoreFX> Hi! Anyone got a _working_ Skype package running under 6.04?
[01:05] <Tm_T> cristiano: ok, have to say that I have no idea if it's ascii-limit or not, but...
[01:05] <Tm_T> MoreFX: what you mean
[01:05] <joh6nn> MoreFX: bah.  i have trouble keeping track of the version numbers. 6.04 is Breezy, right?
[01:05] <Tm_T> !skype
[01:05] <ubotu> skype is, like, totally, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages/
[01:05] <Tm_T> joh6nn: no, dapper
[01:05] <Tm_T> joh6nn: it's simple, Y.MM
[01:06] <Tm_T> joh6nn: where Y = year and M = Month
[01:06] <MoreFX> yes - I mean dapper
[01:06] <Tm_T> MoreFX: so, check that skypehowto
[01:06] <joh6nn> Tm_T: i always wondered what the logic to it was.  thank you
[01:07] <MoreFX> the howto works fine for Breezy
[01:07] <Tm_T> MoreFX: but?
[01:07] <MoreFX> For drapper i get broken dependencies (so far)
[01:09] <MoreFX> there does't seem to be an Ubuntu skype as far as I know.
[01:09] <Tm_T> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto/#head-2fab847bad2d0fbcf939828c5c7ec3dc7af99a1b
[01:09] <Tm_T> other than that, google might help
[01:09] <Tm_T> !dapper
[01:09] <ubotu> The next release of Ubuntu is Dapper Drake - /join #ubuntu+1 for discussion
[01:11] <MoreFX> As I said: I am talking about Drapper - the howto is for Breezy (an works fine for that release)
[01:13] <MoreFX> Drapper seems to new to have helpful info to be found in google :-(
[01:13] <_3poc> I got a question for all you K/Ubuntu guys: Is it possible to run KDE apps from Ubuntu and Gnome apps from Kubuntu?
[01:13] <joh6nn> yes
[01:14] <_3poc> joh6nn, how does it work? Do you just add repositories from both distros and then install? Is it that easy?
[01:14] <visik7> repo are 1
[01:14] <visik7> there aren't dual repo
[01:14] <joh6nn> meaning it's even easier than that
[01:14] <_3poc> So if I installed Ubuntu, it lists KDE apps in the repositories also?
[01:14] <visik7> just apt-get install app you want
[01:15] <joh6nn> _3poc: yes
[01:15] <_3poc> So why have two separate distros then?
[01:15] <joh6nn> why have debian be separate from redhat?
[01:15] <morrow> actually its one distro with different installpackages... depending on the GUI you prefer...
[01:16] <joh6nn> morrow: shhh! if you just tell them the answers, they'll never learn.
[01:16] <joh6nn> ; )
[01:16] <_3poc> From what I've read I thought Kubuntu was separate.
[01:17] <Zaba_> ji ppl
[01:17] <Zaba_> hi ppl
[01:17] <_mindspin> some gnome and kde users are abit precious about which GUI is better
[01:18] <joh6nn> which is like arguing over whether an apple is a better fruit than an orange
[01:18] <Zaba_> can I install kubuntu over other linux without removing windows?
[01:18] <joh6nn> (oranges, by the way, are clearly superior)
[01:18] <_mindspin> joh6nn: yup
[01:18] <_3poc> I'm currently a Mandriva user but I wanted to make sure that if I switched I could use both KDE and Gnome apps in the same distro easily.
[01:19] <_mindspin> apples rule joh6nn
[01:19] <_mindspin> ;-)
[01:19] <_mindspin> _3poc: you can
[01:19] <joh6nn> _mindspin: you heretci bastard!
[01:19] <joh6nn> ; )
[01:19] <morrow> pineapples :)
[01:20] <joh6nn> heathen!
[01:20] <_3poc> _mindspin, great. With all the crap going on with Mandriva I just might have to switch sometime in the near future.
[01:20] <morrow> _3poc: there is no problem in using both kde&gnome with *ubuntu
[01:20] <_mindspin> _3poc: I've read about....
[01:20] <_mindspin> never used Mndriva
[01:21] <joh6nn> yeah, it's a shame; Mandriva looks like it's falling apart
[01:21] <_mindspin> !off-topic
[01:21] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, _mindspin
[01:21] <_mindspin> !offtopic
[01:21] <ubotu> Non Ubuntu support related discussions may be carried out in #ubuntu-offtopic. Editor/Language wars are welcome there!
[01:21] <_mindspin> nice place to discuss such
[01:21] <joh6nn> yes'm
[01:22] <joh6nn> so, anyone ever mess with persistent usb mounting, via udev?
[01:23] <icebreak> ok, moved to kubuntu :)
[01:23] <joh6nn> icebreak: gonna warn you: Kopete's junk.  stick with gaim
[01:23] <_3poc> So if Kubuntu runs Gnome apps and Ubuntu runs KDE apps, which should I download :)
[01:24] <joh6nn> _3poc: which ever one you prefer
[01:24] <_3poc> joh6nn, What's wrong with Kopete?
[01:25] <joh6nn> every time i've tried to use Kopete, it's been highly unstable
[01:25] <joh6nn> across multiple distros and releases
[01:25] <rysiek|pl> _3poc: it's a matter of taste, really
[01:25] <_3poc> joh6nn, I was thinking about switching to it because my version of Gaim has poor file transfer support.
[01:25] <joh6nn> _3poc: which version of gaim are you using?
[01:25] <rysiek|pl> joh6nn: well, I have Kopete running almost 24/7 for a year now, and haven't had a single crash
[01:26] <joh6nn> rysiek|pl: no?  i couldn't get the damn thing to stay up for more than an hour
[01:26] <_3poc> joh6nn, Lemme check. Remeber its on a Mandriva box.
[01:26] <rysiek|pl> joh6nn: what distro(s), what Kopete version?
[01:27] <icebreak> what is a good linux development IDE ?
[01:27] <_3poc> joh6nn, Gaim 1.5.0
[01:27] <_3poc> icebreak, for what language?
[01:27] <joh6nn> rysiek|pl: Mandrake 10.x, Kubuntu 5.04 and 5.10, and the last 2 versions of Kopete, whatever they may have been
[01:28] <icebreak> _3poc: C/C++/python/php
[01:28] <denisbr> Where I find information for translate in the documentacion (guide quicke for example) in the others languages?
[01:29] <_3poc> icebreak, for C/C++ and Gnome try Anjuta. I like it but I don't know how well it compares to others.
[01:29] <joh6nn> _3poc: don't know what to tell you then.  i had problems with Gaim file transfers for a while, but they disappeared around 1.4
[01:29] <_3poc> joh6nn, I'll try Kopete for a while. Hopefully I'll have better luck than you :)
[01:30] <joh6nn> more power to you if you do
[01:30] <joh6nn> Kopete has real promise
[01:30] <joh6nn> i just couldn't ever get it not to crash on me
[01:30] <joh6nn> it does have some annoying stuff, but nothing that i can't live with
[01:30] <rysiek|pl> joh6nn: strange, I've been running Kopete on all of those and worked like a charm o_O
[01:31] <joh6nn> rysiek|pl: wouldn't be surprised if it was something peculiar to my setup.  i'm not an average user
[01:31] <rysiek|pl> nobody is an "average user" ;)
[01:31] <rysiek|pl> I would try to run it from konsole and see the dbg info
[01:32] <joh6nn> ok, well, what i meant is, i frequently want to do things that make everyone stop and say "who the hell are you and why in god's name would you want to do that?"
[01:32] <_3poc> Well, Linux has a much lower rate of "average" users than those OTHER operating systems.
[01:32] <rysiek|pl> shit, sitting on this irc for half an hout now and still didn't ask my own question! lol!
[01:32] <joh6nn> hahaha
[01:32] <joh6nn> rysiek|pl: that happens to me a lot too
[01:32] <joh6nn> what's your question?
[01:33] <rysiek|pl> ok, here goes: anybody knows how to make a KEYBOARD key generate a MOUSE /button2 click/ event?
[01:33] <rysiek|pl> either by using setkeycodes, or with some kind of app doing the stuff?
[01:35] <joh6nn> hmmm
[01:36] <_3poc> rysiek|pl, have you tried screwing around with accessibility tools like on-screen keyboard?
[01:37] <joh6nn> in KDE, i know how to make any manner of keyboard combos, and i know how to make mouse gestures
[01:37] <joh6nn> but i don't know how to make a keyboard do a mouse click
[01:37] <joh6nn> lemme see if that's in the same place as the keyboard stuff
[01:38] <rysiek|pl> _3poc: the thing is I have a multimedia keyboard and am using lineakd (great stuff, too). on the keyboard I have a key "PopupMenu", which I would like to have working like clicking mouse button 2 on the active window
[01:38] <rysiek|pl> thx, joh6nn
[01:40] <cerebrix> hola everyone
[01:40] <_3poc> rysiek|pl, that's tough because depending on where your mouse pointer is a different context menu comes up.
[01:41] <cerebrix> someone mind helpin me out w/ a question?  nix novice here need a lil help =p
[01:43] <_3poc> cerebrix, go ahead
[01:43] <cerebrix> thanks =)
[01:44] <cerebrix> ok i just got my system setup, got latest nvidia running and all that and thought id round out the night by doing a little desktop customization now that ive got the composite stuff running good.  so i thought id start with installing qtcurve
[01:44] <cerebrix> so anyway, downloaded the package, and ./configure after decompressing it to get the following error
[01:44] <cerebrix> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[01:46] <cerebrix> no idea where to even begin troubleshooting that
[01:46] <_3poc> cerebrix, why ./configure? You didn't get it by apt-get install?
[01:47] <rysiek|pl> _3poc: yeah, I know, that's why I want to imitate the mouse button rather than using DCOP (which would be kinda pain in the neck)
[01:47] <cerebrix> i didnt see a deb package for the latest qtcurve on kde-look.org
[01:47] <hogemann> cerebrix: apt-get build-dep x-window-system
[01:48] <cerebrix> this is what im trying to install
[01:48] <cerebrix> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=5065
[01:49] <_3poc> hogemann, I don't recommend building an app from scratch for novices. But try what hogemann said and then try ./configure again.
[01:50] <rysiek|pl> cerebrix: have you got build-essentials?
[01:50] <hogemann> cerebrix: no, wait... I think "apt-get build-dep kde" and "apt-get install build-essential" will do the trick
[01:50] <_3poc> rysiek|pl, what about the right-click button that is already on your keyboard?
[01:51] <zblach> hi
[01:51] <hogemann> cerebrix: or, you can try to convert a RPM package into a DEB package using ALIEN
[01:51] <rysiek|pl> huh? well, that's the one I'm trying to configure :)
[01:51] <zblach> alien is iffy at best
[01:51] <rysiek|pl> alien is a little bit "out there"
[01:51] <cerebrix> E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
[01:51] <rysiek|pl> but works :)
[01:52] <zblach> quick question. every time I boot my computer, i have to set a new route. which file do I append that information to to automate it?
[01:52] <_3poc> rysiek|pl, I'm confused. You which key I am talking about right? It's the one to the left of the right-ctrl on newer keyboards?
[01:52] <cerebrix> thats the error i just got when i tried to apt-get build-dep kde
[01:52] <joh6n1> i love cheap university networks
[01:52] <rysiek|pl> _3poc: yep, that's the one
[01:53] <_3poc> rysiek|pl, so you want to set it to something other than right-mouse-click?
[01:53] <rysiek|pl> zblach: what "new route"?
[01:53] <zblach> rysiek|pl, 'sudo route add default gw <gateway>'
[01:53] <rysiek|pl> _3poc: no. I want it to actually do the right click :)
[01:53] <zblach> the numbers it uses by default are wrong
[01:53] <rysiek|pl> zblach: /etc/network/interfaces :)
[01:53] <joh6n1> rysiek|pl: it does for me already
[01:54] <zblach> rysiek|pl, i gathered as much, but where specifically?
[01:54] <joh6n1> i thought you were wanting a different key to do it
[01:54] <hogemann> cerebrix: Uh... you'll need to reconfigure your repository list, and add some source repositories
[01:54] <_3poc> rysiek|pl, On my computer it does it already.
[01:54] <rysiek|pl> zblach: read "man interfaces"
[01:54] <cerebrix> ok ill hit the forums and check for "source repositories" im sure ill come up with something.  thanks again hogemann =)
[01:54] <rysiek|pl> _3poc, joh6n1: d'oh, well, looks like it doesn't on my setu o_O
[01:54] <hogemann> cerebrix: no... wait a second
[01:54] <rysiek|pl> *setup
[01:55] <hogemann> cerebrix: why dont you try to search for a DEB package at www.apt-get.org first?
[01:55] <_3poc> gtg guys. Thanks for the answers to my K/ubuntu questions!
[01:56] <rysiek|pl> nop, cu
[01:56] <cerebrix> didnt know i could =p lol.  told ya i was a novice.  thanks ill have a look over that site
[01:57] <rysiek|pl> joh6nn: can you do something for me?
[01:57] <zblach> ...well, that didn't work.
[01:57] <rysiek|pl> zblach: pastebin me your /etc/network/interfaces
[01:58] <joh6nn> rysiek|pl: sure, what're you after?
[01:58] <hogemann> cerebrix: if you dont find a DEB you can try to convert a RPM file... "apt-get install fakeroot alien && fakeroot alien -d qtcurve.rpm"
[01:58] <rysiek|pl> joh6nn: if that button works for you, can you please pastebin me the output of getkeycodes?
[01:58] <joh6nn> hold on...
[01:58] <hogemann> cerebrix: this will produce a DEB package out of a RPM... sometimes it works, sometimes dont... but is worth a try
[01:59] <joh6nn> rysiek|pl: never used getkeycodes before; from the terminal i get:
[01:59] <joh6nn> $ getkeycodes
[01:59] <joh6nn> Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console
[02:00] <rysiek|pl> sudo getkeycodes
[02:00] <joh6nn> ah
[02:00] <denisbr> :-)
[02:00] <joh6nn> 's kinda long; pm?
[02:01] <rysiek|pl> !pastebin
[02:01] <rysiek|pl> !tell joh6nn about pastebin
[02:01] <joh6nn> yeah, that works too
[02:01] <rysiek|pl> :)
[02:01] <zblach> rysiek|pl, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10333
[02:02] <rysiek|pl> thanks a lot :)
[02:02] <zblach> thanks
[02:02] <rysiek|pl> zblach, what about your routes?
[02:03] <rysiek|pl> d'oh :]
[02:03] <rysiek|pl> sorry, thought it's joh6nn pastebinning me ;)
[02:03] <zblach> sorry
[02:03] <joh6nn> rysiek|pl: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10334
[02:04] <rysiek|pl> zbalch: on what interface you want the gateway toi be configured?
[02:04] <zblach> wlan0
[02:05] <rysiek|pl> and the address of the gw is?..
[02:05] <zblach> <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:05] <zblach> instead of .0
[02:07] <zblach> rysiek|pl, i had an idea
[02:08] <mcscruff> add route default gw <IP_ADDRESS> ??
[02:08] <zblach> mcscruff?
[02:08] <zblach> what if i put the iface eth0 inet dhcp above the iface wlan0 inet static
[02:08] <zblach> er...
[02:08] <mcscruff> that should set the default gw to <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:08] <rysiek|pl> zblach, gimme a sec
[02:08] <zblach> what if i put the 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' above the 'iface wlan0 inet static'
[02:08] <rysiek|pl> almost there ;)
[02:08] <zblach> ok
[02:08] <rysiek|pl> zbach: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10336
[02:09] <rysiek|pl> that;s how your /etc/network/interfaces should look like, IMHO
[02:09] <mcscruff> bbl
[02:10] <rysiek|pl> zblach: notice the "gateway" section in the wlan0 definition stanza and the network section ("network" should always end on .0, IMHO)
[02:11] <zblach> why? what does that mean?
[02:12] <rysiek|pl> "network" is the network identification - like 192.168.0.<whatever>, it is read against the netmask
[02:12] <zblach> ok
[02:12] <rysiek|pl> so when you have a network of <IP_ADDRESS> and a netmask of <IP_ADDRESS> then the interface is confoigured to communicate with all machines on the 192.168.1. network
[02:13] <rysiek|pl> the "gateway " was what you missed, IMHO
[02:13] <zblach> ok. i knew i was missing something
[02:13] <rysiek|pl> zblach: and in case you don't know: you don't have to reboot
[02:14] <zblach> rysiek|pl, i know, but thanks anyways
[02:14] <rysiek|pl> ok :)
[02:14] <zblach> all i have to do is: /etc/init.d/networking restart
[02:14] <zblach> right?
[02:14] <rysiek|pl> aye :)
[02:14] <zblach> ok. thanks
[02:14] <rysiek|pl> np
[02:15] <rysiek|pl> m'kay, going, guys. cu all later
[02:26] <denisbr> Can I to use proxy in the kopete?
[02:31] <joh6nn> anyone know how i can make "sudo bash" load /root/.bashrc ?
[02:57] <tamer> Hi people, the kubuntu printer package doesn't work propably
[02:57] <tamer> How can I enable the cups webinterface?
[02:57] <nuky> hi, i just installed printer on kubuntu and it installed fine as in i got a succesful test page and everything. but when i try to print a pdf to it, it doesn't do anything. when i try to print a normal text file, i get this error: lpr: error - unable to print file: client-error-not-found. do you know why this could be?
[03:12] <yosoyyo> !w32codecs
[03:12] <ubotu> hmm... w32codecs is a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See http://tinyurl.com/e4a5s to install
[03:13] <NRG88> hi, how do i restart the openssh server
[03:13] <NRG88> ?
[03:15] <zmo1138> NRG88: sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[03:15] <NRG88> ok, thanks, i felt into panic, because didn't found sshd there :)
[03:19] <NRG88> hm, a friend's ssh server doesn't work, but i installed openssh-server
[03:19] <NRG88> opened port 22 on firestarter
[03:19] <NRG88> stopped firestarter, and nothing
[03:19] <NRG88> when i type ssh user@ip, nothing
[03:19] <NRG88> no reactions
[03:19] <NRG88> i even reconfigured ssh to work on port 80
[03:19] <NRG88> what can i do?
[03:20] <zmo1138> NRG88: is port 22 forwarded on the router?
[03:20] <simian> !skim
[03:20] <ubotu> simian: Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[03:21] <NRG88> hm, this is what whe're thinking about right know, how do i check that?
[03:21] <NRG88> nowhere i guess :(
[03:21] <simian> what is skim?
[03:22] <morrow> NRG88: logon to the router (webif or whaterver UI it supports) and check for port forwarding
[03:22] <zmo1138> NRG88: do you have (admin) access to the router?
[03:22] <NRG88> no
[03:23] <NRG88> hm, why can't i use ipconfig?
[03:23] <NRG88> nrg88@NRGnet:/etc/init.d$ sudo ipconfig
[03:23] <NRG88> sudo: ipconfig: command not found
[03:24] <mart> NRG88: because ipconfig is a windows command :)
[03:25] <mart> NRG88: try ifconfig
[03:25] <NRG88> oh :D
[03:25] <NRG88> i found out, that he has a local ip >:\
[03:25] <NRG88> <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:25] <NRG88> how can i access that with ssh?
[03:27] <zmo1138> NRG88: you have to be on the same lan to access that machine...
[03:27] <NRG88> darn
[03:28] <NRG88> szia MetaMorfoziS
[03:29] <NRG88> zmo1138, just this way? these are inaccesable by outsiders?
[03:31] <zmo1138> NRG88: yes they are, only if you forward a port on the oustide of the (nat)router to the inside ip <IP_ADDRESS> you can gain access from the internet
[03:31] <NRG88> hm, that means not evenhackers can do a anyithing :D
[03:33] <zmo1138> NRG88: yeah that's NAT security, but a l33t h4x0r can try to hack the router...
[03:34] <NRG88> oh, well i won't search hours, daysm even weeks, and spend time with hacking, just to hack it's router, to gain access to a normal, ssh
[03:34] <NRG88> :(
[03:35] <NRG88> he used an USB modem, and remote desktop in xp worked fine
[03:35] <NRG88> now, with the ethernet modem, it doesn't work
[03:35] <NRG88> he had to use an ethernet modem, because on linux, he couldn't install SpeedTouch 330 USB modem :(
[03:35] <NRG88> !usbmodem
[03:35] <ubotu> NRG88: I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[03:45] <MoreFX> Hi. a quick Drapper-Question: Is system settings broken in K-Menue?
[03:46] <MoreFX> Does not start when I try the "system setting" icon in menue
[03:46] <MoreFX> sudo systemsettings works fine, however
[03:46] <Tm_T> MoreFX: use kcontrol ;(
[03:46] <MetaMorfoziS> csa NRG88
[03:47] <MoreFX> The question is not what I use ;-)
[03:47] <_mindspin> !dapper
[03:47] <ubotu> The next release of Ubuntu is Dapper Drake - /join #ubuntu+1 for discussion
[03:47] <MoreFX> Just wanted to know if this is a known issue
[03:47] <MoreFX> ubotu: ok
[03:47] <ubotu> I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, MoreFX
[03:47] <Tm_T> MoreFX: hmm, check from kmenuedit what command is used for systemsettings
[03:48] <Tm_T> MoreFX: that menu item can be borked
[03:49] <MoreFX> Tm_T: sudo systemsettings -caption "%c" %i %m
[03:49] <MoreFX> But I am ot here
[03:50] <_mindspin> no prob MoreFX  its just to seperate the support demands of the users while dapper is not realeased
[04:12] <admrl> !flood
[04:12] <ubotu> methinks flood is for pasting, please use http://pastebin.com , http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl or #flood here on freenode.
[04:12] <simian> does firefox use gtk2
[04:12] <admrl> simian: yes
[04:12] <visik7> yes
[04:12] <simian> but it doesn't look too bad under KDE
[04:13] <admrl> it uses its own icons and its all done in firefox
[04:13] <admrl> themes*
[04:13] <admrl> its own themes
[04:13] <simian> would it use more memory than native kde software?
[04:14] <visik7> yes it use at least if u have only a gtk2 app
[04:14] <visik7> to be more clear
[04:14] <visik7> it doesn't use kdelibs so it needs to load gtk2 into memory
[04:15] <visik7> but if u have gtk already loaded for another program like gaim or amule
[04:15] <visik7> it doesn't metters
[04:15] <simian> i like konqueror but it can be tricky sometimes
[04:16] <simian> sometimes it displays page strange
[04:16] <visik7> simian: me too
[04:16] <visik7> I like konqueror
[04:16] <visik7> btw I read some time ago that there's a gecko engine also for konqueror
[04:16] <visik7> but dunno how to enable it
[04:16] <visik7> or if it was just an hack
[04:17] <simian> yes i remember hearing that a while ago
[04:17] <mart> visik7: it's still unreleased, afaik
[04:17] <visik7> mart: just read somewhere in my agregator
[04:19] <simian> how do you enable flash in konqueror?
[04:24] <wimpies> Hi I want to mount my USB  disk always on the same node (and not on dev/sbx which jumps around)
[04:33] <slow-motion> hallo
[04:40] <jjesse> !ati
[04:40] <ubotu> ati is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10 or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=423589
[04:41] <Azertyuuu> hey  all, i 'm considering to install Kubuntu Flught 5, but will it be possible to easily upgrade to Alfa 1 in the near future ?
[04:43] <jjesse> sorry but what is alfa 1?
[04:43] <Azertyuuu> final release
[04:43] <jjesse> should be able to upgrade then throuh apdet-updater
[04:47] <jjesse> is that what the final release is now being called?
[04:47] <istruttoresp> qualche italiano??
[04:49] <mcscruff> http://pastebin.com/605569 -- pls can someone help, im compiling a madwifi driver
[04:56] <_mindspin> !it
[04:56] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[04:57] <Tm_T> puhuttako savvoo?
[04:57] <Tm_T> ;)
[04:59] <zmo1138> mcscruff: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=105437
[05:17] <Petecakes> yay...finally got some blank CDs, now I can burn Kubuntu and go install it ^_^
[05:17] <Tm_T> yay!
[05:18] <JasonF> gah, what is the ubotu trigger for the koffice 1.5b information?
[05:19] <Tm_T> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/
[05:19] <Tm_T> there's your trigger =)
[05:26] <mcscruff> anyone know how to patch wifi drivers?
[05:28] <flapjack> this a good place to ask if u can't work out how to do something?
[05:29] <mart> flapjack: it really depends on what you're trying to do :)
[05:30] <flapjack> heh, well it's something in kubuntu
[05:31] <mcscruff> just ask
[05:32] <flapjack> well i kopete, how do you change the colour of the place where you type?
[05:32] <flapjack> mine's changed to dark blue when i was messing around with styles in kcontrol
[05:33] <flapjack> and it's staying that colour
[05:33] <flapjack> want it to be white again
[05:34] <mart> flapjack: you've set it back to "default colour scheme" or something in kcontrol?
[05:35] <flapjack> yeah
[05:35] <mart> flapjack: maybe need to restart kopete?
[05:35] <mcscruff> im sure u can change it in kopete styles
[05:35] <flapjack> i've rebuillt it from svn and still the same
[05:35] <mart> mcscruff: not sure about the bit where you type
[05:35] <mart> flapjack: but you've quit and restarted kopete, right?
[05:36] <flapjack> yeah
[05:36] <istruttoresp> thanks ubotu
[05:36] <estel> hi
[05:36] <estel> what is the pakage name of the kernel sources?
[05:37] <Petecakes> hmm...odd. I've set my primary boot drive to my CD-Rom drive, and burned the Kubuntu ISO onto a CD. The CD drive is reading the CD, yet it boots Windows from my hard drive (secondary boot drive) as normal...
[05:37] <mart> apt-cache search linux-source
[05:37] <mart> estel: depends whether you're picky about versions.
[05:39] <Petecakes> any ideas?
[05:39] <flapjack> corrupt iso?
[05:41] <ABCSurfer> hi all
[05:41] <flapjack> hi
[05:41] <ABCSurfer> is kubuntu a good choise for a beginner in the linux world ?
[05:41] <Petecakes> flapjack; possibly. Should I download it again?
[05:42] <Petecakes> I mean, I got it straight from kubuntu.org...
[05:42] <ccc_> ABCSurfer: yup
[05:42] <flapjack> Petecakes: check the md5
[05:42] <ABCSurfer> is it difficult to use ?
[05:43] <simian> ABCSurfer: I think it's a good choice
[05:44] <_thumper_> Why does Konqueror stall?
[05:44] <ccc_> ABCSurfer: easy to use, but use linux only if you're willing to learn about it.
[05:44] <_mindspin> ABCSurfer: that depends on the user
[05:45] <_mindspin> get you a live cd and try
[05:45] <flapjack> ABCSurfer: there's only way to find out
[05:45] <flapjack> ABCSurfer: only one*
[05:47] <flapjack> is there a standard format that kde apps use to store colours in their config? like the #xxxxxx way for example?
[05:48] <Petecakes> flapjack; the md5 sums match
[05:49] <mart> flapjack: it's likely that they use whatever QColor.name() gives, beyond that.... no idea.
[05:49] <mart> flapjack: so #rrggbb is a good bet.
[05:51] <mart> flapjack: kopete seems to like rrr,ggg,bbb - check .kde/share/config/kopeterc
[05:51] <mart> [RichTextEditor]
[05:51] <mart> BgColor=255,255,255
[05:51] <mart> looks like a good bet
[05:52] <flapjack> mart: ah i was looking in .kde/share/apps/kopete, thanks i'll see what's there
[05:56] <flapjack> mart: yeah was just what u said :) genius, now i don't need to format
[05:56] <mart> flapjack: format?
[05:57] <Kao|Away> anyone use kweather?
[05:57] <flapjack> mart: format my / partition
[05:57] <mart> flapjack: jeez, I hoped you wouldn't say that
[05:57] <mart> guess old windows habits die hard, eh?
[05:57] <flapjack> lol
[05:58] <YaH00> hi. I have a question. will there be a KUBUNTU dapper version?
[05:58] <mart> flapjack: normally, if you've screwed an application, just moving it's files in .kde somewhere else will restore defaults
[05:58] <Kao|Away> YaH00: most likely...
[05:58] <mart> flapjack: at the very worst, you can move the entire .kde dir out the way
[05:59] <flapjack> mart: good to know
[05:59] <YaH00> Kao|Away ->  and what are the likely time estimations?
[06:00] <KaoticEvil> YaH00: i assume it will be released at the same time as the Ubuntu Dapper version
[06:00] <ryanakca> anyone know of a euchre game for kubuntu?
[06:00] <KaoticEvil> considering that the Flight x's are being released at the same time...
[06:00] <YaH00> so, it seems this will be likely in a month?
[06:01] <mart> YaH00: June-ish, probably.  apparently.
[06:01] <mart> there's some talk of delaying it.
[06:01] <YaH00> ok, thanks
[06:01] <mart> perhaps it's more than talk, perhaps less.
[06:01] <Petecakes> ha! I'm such a n00b.
[06:01] <flapjack> what was wrong?
[06:01] <Petecakes> I realised the problem: I burned the .ISO as a data CD
[06:02] <flapjack> ah
[06:02] <Petecakes> Oh well, I suppose I can use that other CD as a frisbee. Better than letting it go to waste.
[06:03] <mart> Petecakes: maybe you should start a trend of sending useless CD's to AOL, in return for all they've done for us?
[06:03] <KaoticEvil> lol Petecakes... ive done that at least once :P
[06:03] <KaoticEvil> LOL mart good idea
[06:03] <Petecakes> mart; you mean return AOL CDs to sender?
[06:03] <flapjack> indeed
[06:03] <Petecakes> :P
[06:05] <flapjack> hmm here's another question, why do so many guides for compiling things on ubuntu forums not use checkinstall? isn't it the best  way to do things?
[06:07] <mart> flapjack: don't know.  I always install unpackaged stuff somewhere under /opt, then just remove the whole directory when I'm done with it.
[06:07] <mart> flapjack: GNU stow is pretty cool too, for that sort of thing
[06:08] <flapjack> mart: what sort of thing?
[06:08] <flapjack> mart: being able to uninstall things easily?
[06:08] <mart> flapjack: installing and removing stuff that's not packaged.
[06:09] <flapjack> ah is 'uninstall' a windows word?
[06:09] <mart> flapjack: stow allows you to install several versions of something, switch between them, and delete versions.
[06:09] <mart> flapjack: dunno.  I just think 'rm', which translates to 'remove' :)
[06:15] <flapjack> any idea why some programs like adept ignore the styles stuff and still have huge fonts?
[06:16] <uniq> flapjack: they are probably executed as the user 'root'. you can edit the settings if you start control center as root. 'sudo kcontrol'
[06:16] <flapjack> weird i've been able to solve all these complicated things without asking anyone but customising the gui's a bit of a mystery
[06:17] <flapjack> ahh
[06:17] <flapjack> that makes sense
[06:17] <uniq> it does :)
[06:17] <al3> hi ;)
[06:17] <flapjack> u've heard all these questions before? lol
[06:17] <al3> how i can install KDevelop in my Kubuntu ?
[06:18] <uniq> no, but i've solved a few problems myself.
[06:18] <uniq> al3: use adept to install it.
[06:18] <uniq> k -> system -> adept
[06:18] <Random_Transit> man...all the linux snobs are migrating to #ubuntu today....can't get a useful bit of advice out of ANYONE in there...
[06:18] <al3> uniq in adept there isn't the Kdevelop packet
[06:19] <Random_Transit> al3, try kynaptic
[06:19] <al3> what is kynaptic
[06:19] <uniq> al3: then start adept, -> view -> manage repositories
[06:19] <flapjack> al3: have u enabled the extra repositories?
[06:19] <al3> uhm....no
[06:19] <Random_Transit> ah
[06:20] <al3> i have only decommented the base repositories
[06:20] <Random_Transit> there's your problem then
[06:20] <al3> :D
[06:20] <Random_Transit> the more repositories available to you the better, i say!
[06:20] <al3> what are the extra-repositories ?
[06:21] <Random_Transit> al3...i'm pretty sure you can find them on the ubuntuwiki somewhere
[06:21] <Random_Transit> i'll go have a look
[06:21] <al3> ok, i take the extra repositories and put them in sources.list ?
[06:22] <Random_Transit> better yet...i'll pastebin my apt/sources.list for you
[06:23] <al3> i find that http://italy.copybase.ch/blog/lista-repository-sourceslist-ottimizzata-per-ubuntu-kubuntu-linux/
[06:24] <Random_Transit> al3...here...http://pastebin.com/605737
[06:24] <al3> thanks random transit :)
[06:25] <nico8481> hi
[06:40] <flapjack> would copying ~/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals to /root/.kde/share/config be a bad idea?
[06:41] <mart> flapjack: um, I would try it :)
[06:41] <mart> flapjack: after all, you can always delete it.
[06:42] <tomeklu> hi all :)
[06:42] <marmon> hi
[06:42] <zyth> will adept upgrade me to kde3.5 or will I manually need to do that?
[06:42] <Petecakes> I'm going to go crazy...
[06:43] <Petecakes> I revise that statement: I'm going to go crazier.
[06:43] <flapjack> mart: u see i don't know these kinda things i mean i worry that if i change a file after making a backup, that when a program reads it, it could then change other files which i don't know about
[06:43] <tomeklu> sudo apt-get distr upgrade
[06:43] <tomeklu> that's all what you have to do zyth
[06:43] <zyth> doh, I'm in the middle of letting adept upgrade all upgradeable packages
[06:43] <zyth> I shall have to do that next
[06:43] <zyth> ;)
[06:43] <tomeklu> lol :))
[06:44] <tomeklu> pure debian ways :))
[06:44] <_manu> Good evening all
[06:44] <zyth> then I still have to d/l automatix and install flash and wine and everything
[06:44] <zyth> oooog.
[06:44] <tomeklu> hi manu
[06:45] <_manu> I have some questions...
[06:45] <tomeklu> no, everythig will be the same
[06:45] <tomeklu> even the wallpaper
[06:45] <HymnToLife> !automatix
[06:45] <ubotu> [automatix]  unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does things like "echo -e 'ynYn'" that are considered risky. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications, but it's often best to read the documentation.
[06:45] <zyth> oh?
[06:45] <zyth> meh,... so I get to manually install everything
[06:45] <zyth> whee.
[06:45] <_manu> and I'm french, so sory for my english approximativ...
[06:46] <tomeklu> sorry for my english
[06:46] <_manu> ya :      sorry
[06:46] <_manu> lol
[06:46] <tomeklu> so i meant that java flash and your confugurations will stay
[06:47] <Tm_T> zyth: hmm
[06:47] <Tm_T> !easyubuntu
[06:47] <ubotu> easyubuntu is an easy-to-use program for installing all your favorites. Java, Nvidia/ATI, and more. It is as safe as the team can make it. It doesn't change any settings by default. http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ or #easyubuntu
[06:47] <zyth> oh cool
[06:48] <zyth> thanks Tm_T  :D
[06:48] <Tm_T> zyth: but my advice, learn to do things your own so you know what to do when something goes wrong
[06:48] <tomeklu> good advice :)
[06:48] <Tm_T> indeed
[06:48] <_manu> Can you know the command to install codecs video with mplayer to see videos live on Internet. I have a kubuntu 5.10
[06:48] <Tm_T> !mp3
[06:48] <ubotu> it has been said that mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:48] <Tm_T> I think there's something
[06:49] <tomeklu> the best way is to install the debian by yourself before you will install ubuntu :))
[06:49] <Tm_T> _manu: more in mplayers website
[06:49] <_manu> and ???
[06:50] <zyth> Tm_T: yes, I have done it all manually before on my old hoary notebook, so I wasn't looking forward to it again, it's tedious ;)
[06:51] <Tm_T> zyth: it's not
[06:52] <_manu> I know there is a command : apt-get install mplayer-codecs but It is nothing
[06:52] <zyth> Tm_T: I  guess it's a matter of of opinion
[06:53] <Tm_T> zyth: indeed ;)
[06:53] <Tm_T> zyth: some people say compiling is difficult, imho it's easy as wiping lamas ass
[06:53] <Tm_T> _manu: http://mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/info.html
[06:53] <tomeklu> manu: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/dload.html
[06:53] <_manu> think you
[06:53] <_manu> thank you
[06:54] <tomeklu> then download the codecs and put it into the /usr/win32/ directory
[06:54] <_manu> ok !!!
[06:54] <mart> Tm_T: exactly how easy is it to wipe a llamas ass?
[06:54] <mart> ;)
[06:55] <tomeklu> lol :))
[06:55] <Tm_T> mart: no idea, but I hope it
[06:55] <Tm_T> 's easy ;)
[06:55] <tomeklu> i dont like to compile anything it takes ages
[06:55] <Tm_T> it does not
[06:55] <mart> tomeklu: it does if you sit and watch it...
[06:56] <tomeklu> yeah
[06:56] <Tm_T> tomeklu: like, I have compiled multiple apps today while browsing net, gimpin' and ircin' and oh, whatever
[06:56] <Tm_T> tomeklu: it's just say couple magic words and leave it
[06:57] <tomeklu> yeah couple of magic words ;) apt-get install :))
[06:57] <zyth> huh 'sudo apt-get distr upgrade' gives me an error
[06:58] <tomeklu> zyth: whats wrong?
[06:58] <mart> zyth: try `sudo apt-get dist-upgrade`
[06:58] <zyth> tomeklu: it was suggested I run 'sudo apt-get distr upgrade' but I am getting 'Invalid Operation
[06:58] <zyth> ohok
[06:59] <zyth> ah it says it has nothng to  do
[06:59] <zyth> brb I suppose
[06:59] <tomeklu> have ya added something to sources.list before ?
[07:00] <Petecakes> hmmm...would burn speed matter when burning the ISO>
[07:00] <Petecakes> ?*
[07:01] <zyth> huh no kde3.5 :S
[07:05] <Tm_T> !kde3.5.1
[07:05] <ubotu> To upgrade to KDE3.5.1, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php (add the deb... line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[07:11] <mart> anyone Dutch here?
[07:11] <ryanakca> anyone know of a euchre game for kubuntu?
[07:12] <HymnToLife> !nl
[07:12] <ubotu> Op #ubuntu-nl staat de koffie al voor je klaar.
[07:12] <tomeklu> mart: i'm not
[07:13] <mart> HymnToLife:  hmmm, not sure I'll venture there given that I don't know any of the language :)
[07:13] <HymnToLife> lol
[07:13] <HymnToLife> why are you asking then ?
[07:14] <tomeklu> i know a little bit swedish :) it's quite simillar to dutch :))
[07:14] <mart> HymnToLife: just wondered if this was real !?! http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/918
[07:14] <Tm_T> tomeklu: it's not
[07:14] <Tm_T> tomeklu: it's far away, you prolly mean danish ;)
[07:15] <tomeklu> maybe i heard that from my  swedish teacher
[07:15] <tomeklu> yeah:)) i meant danish
[07:16] <Tm_T> tomeklu: det r
[07:16] <kip> hi
[07:17] <kip> can you tell me whats diffrent about kubuntu than ubuntu
[07:17] <tomeklu> det ar en bil ...  do ya understand, probaly yes
[07:17] <Tm_T> tomeklu: unfortunately yes
[07:17] <kip> err sorry i didnt understand
[07:18] <tomeklu> *propably
[07:19] <tomeklu> tim: from denmark?
[07:21] <tomeklu> kip: ununtu has gnome, kubuntu has kde that's the diffirence
[07:21] <kip> just that?
[07:21] <kip> whats better then
[07:21] <tomeklu> not quite, but that's almost all
[07:21] <tomeklu> kip: i dpon't know, i prefer kde
[07:21] <mart> kip: well, kubuntu obviously.  but ask in #ubuntu and you'll get a different answer.
[07:22] <zyth>  File "./easyubuntu.py", line 22, in ?
[07:22] <zyth>     import gtk, gtk.glade
[07:22] <zyth> ImportError: No module named gtk
[07:22] <tomeklu> that's right :))
[07:22] <zyth> ...what am I missing?
[07:22] <kip> what the most easy too use then
[07:22] <tomeklu> kde is nicer than ugly gnome ;)
[07:22] <mart> kip: as above :)
[07:23] <tomeklu> heheheh :))
[07:23] <tomeklu> lol :))
[07:23] <mart> zyth: python-gtk2 ?
[07:23] <zyth> ok
[07:24] <mart> zyth: and python-glade2 probably
[07:24] <bkjones> hi all
[07:24] <nail> Im a linux noob and I was surprised just how easy to install KDE is :)
[07:25] <tomeklu> congratultions :)) nail
[07:25] <nail> Linux is awesome :D
[07:26] <tomeklu> lol :))
[07:30] <nail> anyone have a URL or some KDE desktop screens?
[07:30] <Tm_T> screenshots?
[07:30] <nail> ya, ty
[07:30] <mart> http://www.kde.org/screenshots/kde340shots.php
[07:30] <mart> http://www.kde.org/announcements/visualguide-3.5.php
[07:30] <Tm_T> http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/current.png
[07:30] <nail> woot :D ty ty
[07:30] <Tm_T> http://www.tm-travolta.net/pics/
[07:30] <Tm_T> there's some from mine
[07:31] <ryanakca> anyone know of a euchre game for kubuntu?
[07:31] <nail> thanks Tm T thats what I was after
[07:31] <mart> nail: the kde.org ones show something similar to a default install of kubuntu
[07:32] <nail> yeah mart, I noticed :)
[07:32] <mart> nail: oh, sorry.  got you confused with kip.
[07:33] <LeeJunFan> anyone know how to make the .DCOPserver socket file have a new home? There must be an environ variable for it I suspect?
[07:33] <nail> lol, I dont care about anything atm! I'm free of M$!!!!!!!!! Freeeeeeee!
[07:33] <mcscruff> lmao
[07:34] <flapjack> those exclamation marks suggest u care about that
[07:34] <nail> heh, sry. carried away :p
[07:37] <nail> hmm looks like my wincustomize.com account is going to lapse :o
[07:38] <mcscruff> its ok www.kde-look.org will be your guide
[07:38] <nail> awesome!
[07:39] <mcscruff> *on
[07:39] <nail> heh
[07:41] <bkjones> man - this is the first distro I've run all of the alpha/betas of. Is it normal to have like 40 package updates every day?
[07:41] <bkjones> er, dapper that is.
[07:41] <apokryphos> bkjones: it's a development distribution; developers work on it everyday
[07:41] <bkjones> yeah.
[07:41] <apokryphos> bkjones: not necessary in any way to upgrade every day. In fact, you're also wasting their bandy a little ;-)
[07:42] <bkjones> well, actually, in my case, it typically is. I use TONS of the applications installed, and every time I update, one of them stops being broken ;-P
[07:42] <bkjones> I figured because I use so many apps, I might be a good tester to have around.
[07:42] <mcscruff> bkjones - drapper yes, coz its still being built
[07:43] <flapjack> has anyone tried to make a p2p apt thing?
[07:45] <apokryphos> bkjones: good if you add in bug reports/helpful feedback. Not if you don't though ;-)
[07:45] <bkjones> yeah, clearly :)
[07:47] <BigBadBen> flapjack: I thought there was a apt bittorrent thingy around somewhere. Don't know if its part of any distros yet.
[07:47] <apokryphos> I don't think there is
[07:47] <apokryphos> bittorrent wouldn't work anything like apt, so it wouldn't make much sense
[07:48] <apokryphos> s/wouldn't/doesn't/
[07:48] <BigBadBen> mybe I thinking about getting cd images, not to sure :)
[07:48] <nail> guys can I change my local host name?
[07:49] <apokryphos> nail: yes. hostname name
[07:49] <nail> ty :)
[07:51] <bkjones> I don't think "hostname name" lasts through a reboot, does it?
[07:53] <nail> hmm
[07:54] <BigBadBen> bkjones: correct, you need to modify /etc/hostname
[07:55] <bkjones> ...and maybe /etc/hosts?
[07:56] <BigBadBen> indeed.
[08:00] <hugo_> how can I change the font colors of my taskbar?
[08:00] <hugo_> can't find the option in kcontrol
[08:01] <bkjones> should be under fonts, I think.
[08:01] <bkjones> oh wow, there are no colors there.
[08:01] <bkjones> sorry
[08:02] <hugo_> hehe, you're correct :P
[08:02] <hugo_> any other ideas?
[08:02] <tsdgeos> well, you probably can not do it from a user POV
[08:03] <tsdgeos> hugo_: go to Colors
[08:03] <hugo_> yes..
[08:03] <tsdgeos> then on right choose which color you want to change
[08:03] <hugo_> Button Text changes the active ones, but it also changes the fontcolor in every button :P
[08:04] <hugo_> I use grey button, and I need white color for my taskbar
[08:04] <tsdgeos>
[08:04] <tsdgeos> you NEED it?
[08:04] <bkjones> heh
[08:04] <hugo_> yeh, I need it
[08:04] <tsdgeos> if you really NEED it i guess you could code a [q|k] style
[08:05] <hugo_> tsdgeos: sounds like a difficult task.
[08:05] <tsdgeos> yeah
[08:06] <hugo_> I'm sure there is an easier way :p
[08:09] <ealm> what do you guys recommend, flight 5 or breezy... stability mustn't be 100%, but I need the desktop to be usable at least
[08:09] <ealm> ..one or two broken packages are no prob as I've run debian for a long time
[08:10] <bkjones> ealm: drake is good.
[08:10] <bkjones> I'm using it for my main workstation at the office.
[08:10] <ealm> cool
[08:10] <bkjones> so long as you're not a total n00b, it's fine.