[00:26] <IdleOne> 2nd largest in the US
[07:17] <dholbach> good morning
[07:18] <philipballew> greetings dholbach
[07:20] <dholbach> hi philipballew
[09:06] <dholbach> jose, can we update the uonair calendar? I haven't been able to do the dev hangouts for a while now
[16:04] <dholbach> all right my friends - I'll be back Wednesday morning
[16:04] <dholbach> have a good time without me! :)
[16:04] <dholbach> HUGS HUGS HUGS
[16:45] <nigelb> cjohnston, balloons, IdleOne, mhall119, and others: thank you for the birthday wishes
[16:45] <nigelb> I was having fun in cambridge on my birthday :)
[16:46] <balloons> nigelb, :-p
[16:47] <nigelb> balloons: :D
[16:49] <mhall119> nigelb: sounds fun, hope it was a good trip
[16:49] <nigelb> Yes, it was!
[16:49] <nigelb> The only downside was my harddisk crashing while I was there.
[16:50] <nigelb> Just managed to install Ubuntu on a new one.
[16:51] <balloons> nigelb, it sucls to have drives go down, but the re-install is so much saner with ubuntu isn't it :-)
[16:51] <nigelb> Indeed.
[16:51] <nigelb> I was on Fedora briefly.
[16:52] <nigelb> Nope, not my thing.
[19:20] <bkerensa> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2419744,00.asp
[19:21] <bkerensa> "Mark Shuttleworth, the founder of Canonical, publishers of Ubuntu, has given up on the idea that Linux (which Ubuntu is based on) will ever supplant Windows, saying that if any OS will be the next big thing it's Apple's iOS or Google's Android"
[19:21] <popey> old
[19:21] <bkerensa> oh
[19:21] <popey> well
[19:21] <popey> semi-old ☻
[19:21] <bkerensa> Did Mark actually say that?
[19:21] <popey> In internet time
[19:22] <popey> I dunno where they got that quote from. I have seen it repeated. he may well have said it
[19:22] <popey> but i think dvorak is putting a *touch* of spin on it
[19:34] <jo-erlend> bkerensa, I don't think so. Think maybe he might be referring to bug #1.
[19:34] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[19:35] <jo-erlend> what, in progress? Thought that was fixed? :)
[19:36] <cjohnston> me too
[19:36] <mhall119> bkerensa: sounds like he was probably pointing out that mobile OS's have already out-paced Windows desktop
[19:36] <bkerensa> huh
[19:37] <bkerensa> jo-erlend: perhaps the Malaysia LoCo Team disagrees with Mark and thinks they can fix it :P
[19:37] <jo-erlend> yes, but Microsoft _doesn't_ have a majority market share anymore.
[19:38] <jo-erlend> they only have that if you don't consider all the new forms of personal computing. But that would be silly.
[19:40] <bkerensa> jo-erlend: Yes they do... As of 2013 Windows had a 81.54% market share on desktops... Microsoft never had a majority market share over mobiles so the Android/iOS bit is sort of invalid.
[19:40] <jo-erlend> why?
[19:40] <bkerensa> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems
[19:40] <jo-erlend> when the bug was filed, you couldn't really consider a mobile phone equally important to a conventional PC. Now you can.
[19:40] <bkerensa> jo-erlend: because it was not a talking point when bug #1 was opened
[19:40] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[19:40] <bkerensa> and mobile phones existed then
[19:41] <mhall119> bkerensa: the question is whether or not bug #1 was desktops-only or personal-computers of which any meaningful definition will include tablets and smartphones
[19:41] <jo-erlend> bkerensa, yes, but that's exactly the point. Things have changed. Tempora mutantur nos et mutamur in illis.
[19:41] <bkerensa> so if Android/iOS was to be used in an arguement in closing bug #1
[19:41] <bkerensa> it could be said that bug #1 was invalid the whole time
[19:41] <jo-erlend> no. Why?
[19:41] <bkerensa> since Nokia had a majority market share of mobile for some time
[19:41] <jo-erlend> right, but even their smart-phones back then couldn't compete with a laptop.
[19:42] <bkerensa> sure but bug #1 did not mention phones it was about desktop and server dominance
[19:42] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[19:42] <bkerensa> so the bug was changed in context
[19:42] <bkerensa> not fixed
[19:43] <jo-erlend> It is not claimed in the bug report that it was fixed by Ubuntu.
[19:43] <bkerensa> it would be like jcastro opening a bug saying Puppet has a majority share of the cloud orchestration space
[19:43] <bkerensa> and then five years from now some changes to markets occur
[19:43] <bkerensa> and the context of his bug is changed and not fixed
[19:43] <jo-erlend> but that's also irrelevant. If there's a bug in the kernel that's reported on Launchpad, it'll still be considered fixed even if it's fixed by another distro.
[19:43] <mhall119> bkerensa: it's more like somebody filing a bug that Foo is too slow, then after computing power doubles a couple times over it's no longer too slow
[19:43] <jo-erlend> right.
[19:44] <bkerensa> the bug was filed in Ubuntu
[19:44] <bkerensa> and has not been fixed in Ubuntu
[19:44] <bkerensa> Ubuntu was supposed to be the fix
[19:44] <jo-erlend> bkerensa, many bugs are filed in Ubuntu and fixed elsewhere. That's not news.
[19:44] <mhall119> is there really any reason to get worked up over it?
[19:44] <jo-erlend> it stops being a bug when it doesn't bug anyone.
[19:45] <jo-erlend> so, if there was a bug in the kernel that only affected 80386 processors, for instance, that bug would be fixed the moment Linux didn't support 80386 anymore, even if the problem itself wasn't actually fixed.
[19:46] <jcastro> we don't really compete with puppet. :p
[19:47] <bkerensa> jcastro: that is true
[19:47] <bkerensa> :)
[19:47] <bkerensa> jcastro: they have local provider :P
[19:47] <bkerensa> jcastro: I tease
[19:47] <bkerensa> :)
[21:10] <SergioMeneses> jcastro, look http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/280/1766/20131186.full.pdf
[21:11] <jcastro> hey I have that dude's book!


[03:09] <MutantTurkey> I want a nice dashiki
[03:18] <waltman> It would go well with your hamburger exoskeleton.
[03:53] <MutantTurkey> ofc
[09:38] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!
[09:38] <SamuraiAlba> I HAS A JOBS!
[09:38] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:38] <SamuraiAlba> Mornin!
[09:38] <JonathanD> Hey everyone, dinner is on SamuraiAlba
[09:38] <SamuraiAlba> How is it going?
[09:38] <SamuraiAlba> First dinner is for my friend, Rebecca :)  We're going to Bertucci's
[09:39] <SamuraiAlba> We may have broken up, but we are still friends, and I've known her since second grade :)
[09:39] <SamuraiAlba> after that?
[09:39] <SamuraiAlba> BACON FOR ALL!
[09:39] <SamuraiAlba> My firewall shipped on the 3rd
[09:39] <SamuraiAlba> It's JUST NOW in Bellmawr...
[09:40] <SamuraiAlba> *SQUEEEEEeeeee*
[09:40] <SamuraiAlba> JOBS!
[09:45] <rmg51> morning
[09:45] <SamuraiAlba> mornin!
[09:45] <SamuraiAlba> I has a job!
[09:45] <SamuraiAlba> :)
[09:45]  * SamuraiAlba dances
[09:46]  * SamuraiAlba curses the Untangle box blocking WoW
[10:12] <InHisName> Morning SamuraiAlba,  have your morning bacon, yet ?
[10:13] <InHisName> Is it the BACON dance or JOB dance ?
[10:13] <SamuraiAlba> Bacon Job Dance
[10:13] <SamuraiAlba> !
[10:22] <SamuraiAlba> Greg Ham of Men at Work died :O
[11:17] <waltman> Morning
[12:03] <teddy-dbear> morning
[18:22] <MobileTurkey> my girlfriend doesn't understand that just because I am at home, doesn't mean she can come over while I'm working
[18:23] <MobileTurkey> we hit panera for lunch and then she invited herself over... err ok? HELLO LADY I AM WORKING FROM HOME. WORKING.
[18:51] <pangolin> perhaps explain that to her
[18:52] <pangolin> during the hours of 8am to 5pm you are basically at the office and not "home"
[18:52] <pangolin> or whatever your hours are
[18:52] <waltman> MobileTurkey: She can't help it if she gets turned on by your hamburger costume! :)
[18:53] <MobileTurkey> pangolin: that's what I said basically
[18:53] <MobileTurkey> it's just a bit irritatin
[18:53] <MobileTurkey> annoying
[18:53] <MobileTurkey> rage creating
[18:53] <MobileTurkey> pangolin: I agreed to go to panera for lunch, not to hangout afterward...
[18:53] <MobileTurkey> anyway i'll just work late.
[18:53] <pangolin> yeah, sounds horrible. I would hate to work from home and have a girlfriend who wants to actually spend time with me.
[18:54] <pangolin> sarcasm aside, the distraction can't be good for productivity
[18:56] <MobileTurkey> my girlfriend wants to spend to much time and when I say I can't hangout she looks at me as if i've done something wrong and escalates it into a ridiculous ordeal so mostly I just say "okay honey"
[18:56] <MobileTurkey> waltman: I learned rawhide... it's so much fun to play
[18:56] <MobileTurkey> also she caught the katy and going back to miami
[19:02] <waltman> nice
[19:07] <passstab> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA4OTk
[19:07] <PennBot> Title: [Phoronix] Next Week Is Looking Phenomenal For Linux (at www.phoronix.com)
[19:08] <passstab> steam on linux !!!
[19:08] <passstab>  \./
[19:08] <adom> FER REALZ?/
[19:08] <ssweeny> we've heard this before
[19:09] <passstab> i know
[19:10] <passstab> but now an announce is imminent
[19:11] <adom> looks like the announce might be next week. we could assume the release won't be for some time.
[19:11] <passstab> i know
[19:11] <adom> and if it runs best with Unity I'll be so pissed.
[19:12] <passstab> how is that even possible?!?
[19:12] <adom> don't jinx it. gnome2 for life.
[19:13] <MobileTurkey> kde3 4 life
[19:14] <passstab> are either of you being sarcastic?
[19:14] <MobileTurkey> no.
[19:14] <MobileTurkey> not in any sense whatsoever.
[19:14] <adom> no
[19:14]  * adom hugs his gnome2.
[19:15] <MobileTurkey> why would anyone joke about the desktop they use?
[19:15] <adom> its no laughing matter, unlike unity
[19:15] <adom> which is a joke
[19:15] <adom> zing
[19:15] <MobileTurkey> boom
[19:15] <passstab> ok ok
[19:15] <MobileTurkey> :-)
[19:15] <Pici> There was a mention of Wine in the most recent steam changelog.
[19:15] <MobileTurkey> kde3/tde is superior to all
[19:15] <adom> so, server closets at 95 degrees
[19:15] <Pici> but that was for OSX.
[19:15] <passstab> pici link?
[19:15] <passstab> oh
[19:16] <passstab> wait what?
[19:16] <adom> steam runs in Wine half decently if i remember
[19:16] <adom> been awhile since i did any WIne gaming besides WoW
[19:16] <Pici> let me see if they publish those somewhere....
[19:16] <MobileTurkey> it's been a while since i did any gaming
[19:16] <adom> which i've always been able to play under wine
[19:16] <MobileTurkey> did anyone see the ascii portal game?
[19:16] <passstab> what does steamosx have to do with wine?
[19:16] <Pici> http://store.steampowered.com/news/?feed=steam_client
[19:16] <PennBot> Title: News - Client Updates (at store.steampowered.com)
[19:16] <passstab> yes everyone
[19:16] <Pici> "dded initial support for the Community Overlay in Mac games hosted by Wine. Currently validated with The Witcher"
[19:17] <passstab> hmm
[19:21] <passstab> i wonder how much the humble bundles influenced this
[20:02] <MobileTurkey> making my old desktop my new server
[20:43] <JonathanD> I hate phone systems.


[02:33] <finetundra> hello all, can you get to the wallpaper changer from kickoff?
[04:30] <abdullah> hi
[04:30] <abdullah> sleeping?
[04:30] <abdullah> all of you?
[04:31] <abdullah> hey vbgunz
[04:31] <abdullah> hello
[04:31] <abdullah> hello
[04:32] <vbgunz> hello
[04:33] <abdullah> how u doing
[04:33] <abdullah> why non answering
[04:33] <abdullah> what r u doing guys
[04:35] <vbgunz> I just got here, I don't spend much time looking at the conversation here when it's dead
[04:35] <vbgunz> dead as in quiet, it's pretty quiet right now
[04:36] <abdullah> quiet? it's completely dead
[04:36] <abdullah> are u programmer or something?
[04:53] <bshah> if you have question feel free to ask..
[04:53] <bshah> thats how IRC work..
[04:53] <bshah> mm he lef
[04:53] <bshah> mm he left
[05:54] <michael_p> hi i am still having the same issue
[05:54] <michael_p> i ran the systemctl and it still apears
[05:55] <babu_> hi
[05:55] <babu_> can anyone tell me which one is best apt-get or aptitude?
[05:56] <michael_p> babu what version are you on
[05:58] <babu_> hi
[05:59] <babu_> can anyone tell me whish one is best apt-get or aptitude?
[05:59] <michael_p> i just apt-get
[06:01] <babu_> and best opensource firewall?
[06:04] <hateball> !firewall
[06:08] <michael_p> could 219 be refering to video drivers
[06:25] <michael_p> i hope 15:10 dosnt have the same problem
[06:27] <michael_p> should i use my own video drivers
[06:28] <michael_p> or third party
[06:48] <michael_p> i think this room is dead
[06:51] <Tm_T> michael_p: patience is a virtue (:
[07:39] <valorie> michael_p: what do you mean "your own"?
[07:40] <valorie> in general, driver manager will suggest the best drivers for your equipment
[08:15] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:42] <michael_p> <valorie i mean i have nvidia .run
[08:42] <michael_p> or should i use 3rd party
[08:50] <michael_p> with me sometimes thats not allways the case
[08:51] <michael_p> the only one that works is edgers or my own but thats on a diffrent version
[08:51] <michael_p> with edgers i got no cuda
[09:23] <michael_p> should i downgrade to 14:04
[09:30] <mparillo> If you really hate Plasma 5, or something worked on 14.04 that still does not work now, sure. Otherwise, why make the effort?
[09:31] <michael_p> just the bug
[09:31] <michael_p> and plus if i am going to ise one ogf the drivers i need something to fall back on
[09:34] <michael_p> i ment if the drivers on the new diesktop dont work
[09:46] <mparillo> If the drivers work on 14.04, then sure. But when you say downgrade, what you really mean is save your data, and install. There is no automagic downgrade as far as I know.
[11:58] <mtthw831> whatt up
[11:58] <mtthw831> is anyone up
[11:58] <lordievader> o/
[11:59] <mtthw831> i just installed
[11:59] <mtthw831> what do i do now
[11:59] <lordievader> Use it?
[11:59] <mtthw831> i have done that
[11:59] <mtthw831> next step pls
[11:59] <lordievader> That is it, you install the os. And then you use it.
[12:00] <mtthw831> ok
[12:00] <lordievader> Not sure what you are looking for exactly.
[12:00] <mtthw831> just making sure
[12:00] <mtthw831> updates ?
[12:00] <mtthw831> any special firmware
[12:00] <mtthw831> you know
[12:00] <lordievader> mtthw831: Open a terminal: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:01] <mtthw831> ok
[12:01] <mtthw831> thank you
[12:01] <mtthw831> and after
[12:01] <mtthw831> ?
[12:02] <lordievader> After updating? I'm still not sure what you are after...
[12:02] <mtthw831> ill try to be more specific sorry
[12:02] <mtthw831> my internet is kind of slow
[12:03] <mtthw831> but i am staying at a motel right now but i was wondering if it was the driver
[12:04] <lordievader> I rather think it is the motel's wifi. Such things are usually slow as hell.
[12:04] <mtthw831> yea
[12:04] <mtthw831> i thought so too
[12:05] <mtthw831> is there a way i can check if all drivers are up to date
[12:05] <mtthw831> im new at linux
[12:05] <lordievader> If your packages are up to date, the drivers are up to date* (Ubuntu repo's are sometimes a bit behind)
[12:06] <mtthw831> ok
[12:07] <mtthw831> my laptop used to be windows does that make any difference
[12:08] <lordievader> Nope.
[12:09] <mtthw831> alright
[12:09] <mtthw831> how long have you used linux
[12:10] <lordievader> Quite a while.
[12:10] <mtthw831> any tips?
[12:11] <lordievader> On what?
[12:11] <mtthw831> to learn the commands basics
[12:11] <mtthw831> i don't see myself returning to windows
[12:11] <lordievader> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[12:12] <mtthw831> ok thanks
[12:12] <mtthw831> oh should i install any kind of antivirus
[12:12] <lordievader> No need for that ;)
[12:12] <TJ-> mtthw831: "man" is your friend, as in "man <topic or command>" e.g. "man bash" for the BASH shell
[12:12] <mtthw831> ok got it thanks
[12:13] <lordievader> Man is awesome :)
[12:14] <mtthw831> ill check it out
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:06] <mtthwp> hey
[14:07] <mtthwp> is anyone
[14:07] <mtthwp> there
[14:24] <sysop2> how can I create an akondi google contacts account by hand? the gui just doesnt work.
[15:04] <owlman> Hi all, any idea what happened to the "Log konsole output history" option?
[15:11] <jamaicatech9> whats up fellaz
[15:11] <jamaicatech9> how are u doing
[15:16] <mernilio> Greetings all! :-)
[15:18] <mernilio> Just for the discussion, why do you think its so few females who is intressted in free software and linux?
[15:20] <mernilio> In the computer department we have some great woman, Grace Hopper, Ada Lovelace, and the girl who invented Biff
[15:20] <hyper_ch> hi there, my screens are messed up. One screen, during boot up, is detect at a lower resolution and once plasma has started, it gets turned off. In system settings -> display it's not even shown anymore. Any suggestion?
[15:22] <mernilio> If it's an new error it sounds like a hardware failure.
[15:23] <hyper_ch> it's no hardware failure
[15:23] <hyper_ch> right now it's shown... but only at 1024x768 resolution instead of full hd
[15:26] <mernilio> Try to check each monitor and stuff atacked to your computer.  :-P
[15:27] <hyper_ch> mernilio: monitors work
[15:27] <hyper_ch> mernilio: kde systemsettings just doesn't want to let me put it to 1920x1080 resolution
[15:28] <mernilio> I also use KDE. No dual screens tho. Maybe you should ask in a KDE-channel?
[15:28] <hyper_ch> awking there also
[15:28] <hyper_ch> s/w/s/
[15:28] <mernilio> oki :-)
[15:39] <hyper_ch> why can't I select 1920x1080 resolution in display settings?
[18:19] <mr-rich> kubuntu 14.04 latest updates - plazma seemds to be eating up tons of memory ... any way to fix?
[18:20] <lordievader> What is tons of memory?
[18:22] <mr-rich> lordievader: 15GB out og 16 GB ...
[18:24] <lordievader> Ow... that is a tad much. What process is eating it exactly?
[18:26] <mr-rich> $ ps -e -o pid,vsz,comm= | sort -n -k 2 | tail -n 3
[18:26] <mr-rich> 31592 2946672 kwin
[18:26] <mr-rich>  4881 3930172 plasma-desktop
[18:26] <mr-rich>  2332 15599288 Xorg
[18:26] <mr-rich> lordievader: ^^^^
[18:27] <lordievader> Kwin.. hmm. Does logging out and logging back in help?
[18:29] <mr-rich> lordievader: I tried running kwin --replace ... didn't work ... I'd rather not have to close all my apps to log out ...
[18:29] <lordievader> What kind of resolution do you have?
[18:32] <mr-rich> lordievader: 1600X1200 ... been running that since 12.04 ... problem started recently. At first it was Firefox and when I closed firefox mem would drop to like 2-4 GB ... but now I'm using Chrome and closing it doesn't make a difference ....
[18:35] <lordievader> mr-rich: No it is kwin hogging the memory. What is the uptime?
[18:46] <Lumby_> Is it expected for kscreen to not be included in kde-plasma-desktop?
[18:47] <mparillo_> Lumby_: If you do not get an answer here, I would try #kubuntu-devel before it starts getting late in Europe.
[18:55] <lordievader> Lumby_: Is it included with the 'plasma-desktop' package?
[20:43] <akasic> hello ppl, i just set my taskar to be covered by windows, is any way to make it appear when i hit the bottom? (like in opensuse)
[20:43] <akasic> thnx
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[20:46] <akasic> i mean with the mouse, hitting at the bottom, it will show up automatically
[20:46] <akasic> (with windows covering it, not the autohide option)9
[20:54] <akasic> well, a good solution is to set the max size of the specific window to a fem pixels less, and a space for a click is there, than for the help
[20:54] <akasic> few
[20:54] <akasic> thnx for the help cya
[21:45] <Phoenixz> Anybody who has the same problem with amarok where its not possible to drag drop move tracks in the playlist?
[21:45] <Phoenixz> I have had this problem spanning over multiple versions, since like 14.04 and 14.10 at the least.. Right now on 15.10, still same issue
[22:13] <valorie> hmmm, I've not built amarok for awhile
[22:13] <valorie> not sure I have time for that today however
[22:59] <eXistenZe> hum... 15.10?


[05:08] <m4v> O_O
[05:20] <m4v> well I guess this saved me the trouble of closing the channel.
[05:21] <RikMills> yeah, I was wondering how to close the kubuntu ones ;)
[05:22] <kryten> lol
[05:23] <RikMills> now you just need to put the new place in the top, and wait ;)
[05:23] <kryten> Yes!
[05:23] <RikMills> s/top/topic
[11:06] <Unit193> alan_g: Uhh.  ROAF, I recognize him.  Is he a project lead and who should be regging the channel?
[11:07] <knome> o hai Mirv!
[11:07]  * Mirv super hugs knome!
[11:07]  * knome hugs
[11:07] <Myrtti> Mirv: was just asking about what to do with #ubuntu-fi-rekisteroidy that I've got +F in freenode
[11:07] <Unit193> LP says he's an admin of the mir team.
[11:07] <knome> free hugs for all!
[11:09] <Unit193> Mirv: Done!
[11:09] <Myrtti> it's been unused for ages so I'm tempted just to drop it rather than doing any frippery or recreating it in here, myself but of course want to ask both the general opinion, IRC team opinion and obvs yours, Mirv
[11:09] <alan_g> @Unit193, RAOF is a team member and I'm the team lead. (Apparently he was up first. )
[11:09] <Mirv> Myrtti: seems like other #ubuntu-fi (and #vapaakoodi) were assimilated due to libera.chat references, so I don't know if there's anything that's sensible to do over at Freenode anymore...
[11:10] <Unit193> alan_g: Sorry, went off of https://launchpad.net/~mir-team/+members
[11:10] <knome> imo just drop it.
[11:10] <Mirv> Unit193: thank you!
[11:10] <Unit193> Sure thing.
[11:11] <Mirv> Myrtti: ack with knome, we can't save anything in that sinking ship. I've updated https://www.ubuntu-fi.org/yhteiso/postituslistat-ja-irc/ for what it's worth.
[11:11] <Myrtti> aye aye captain
[11:11] <Mirv> and yes probably not needed at Libera anymore
[11:12] <Myrtti> done and dropped
[11:12] <Myrtti> and that was the last of the channels I had a +F on
[11:12] <knome> (:
[11:13] <Myrtti> there's quite a few #ubuntu-* channels still but since I have no +F there's nothing I can or should do about them.
[11:13] <alan_g> Can I have cloak? https://launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths
[11:14] <Myrtti> Mirv: incidentally I also dropped #kesakoodi, #openmind and after consulting with mset and elias_a, also #coss
[11:14] <Unit193> Do you know what yours on freenode looked like?  I'm inclined to do ubuntu/member/alan-g
[11:14] <Myrtti> RIP *sad trombone*
[11:15] <Unit193> alan_g: Ah, you don't appear to be a member.
[11:16] <alan_g> nm
[11:16] <Unit193> (I can't do Canonical ones)
[11:17] <alan_g> Got it
[11:31] <Mirv> Myrtti: my "Freenode cleanup" is only now pondering what to do with the account. given recent events, now that I changed my ircname to "moved to https://libera.chat/" that might mean my accound will be auto-deleted :D
[11:31] <Mirv> s/d/t/
[11:31] <Myrtti> :-D
[11:31] <Myrtti> I'm surprised nobody has yanked my staff emeritus cloak yet
[11:31] <knome> Mirv, i just deleted my account. who needs stuff that's not going to be used?
[11:31] <Unit193> Mirv: More likely klined and account frozen.
[11:32] <Myrtti> Unit193: has that been happening then? frozen wouldn't be too bad
[11:33] <Mirv> knome: that's a valid approach too, I guess I was going to keep it so that no-one can use register my nick there, but there's not many who to fake me there soon. OTOH they have my account data anyway whether I want it or not (and I'd guess GDPRing them wouldn't do me any good), so there's nothing gained either.
[11:33] <Unit193> Myrtti: kline (staff) and Fuchs were hit yesterday.
[11:34] <Unit193> The latter 2 hours after going to sleep, sooo...
[11:35] <knome> Mirv, i mean ultimately, if *ubuntu* moves to libera, and you have a valid account and sane presence here, who'd believe the scammer on freenode?
[11:36] <Mirv> knome: I'm in other communities too, but yes currently I think all of them have moved already or in progress. so yes, if one scams in an empty network, no-one hears :)
[11:39] <knome> that.
[11:42] <Mirv> nice, sasl authentication now works
[12:21] <paride> Hi! Can I please ask an ubuntu/member cloak? I'm `paride` on LP, and used to have a cloak on Freenode already
[12:22] <paride> s/ask/have/ :)
[12:37] <rafaeldtinoco> I would like to have my ubuntu coredev/member cloak back if possible, please ? =)
[12:38] <guiverc> Congrats hggdh_ sarnold Unit193 & Thank you rww Tm_T el
[12:38]  * guiverc is afraid I missed one (or used wrong tags; apologies)
[12:42] <Tm_T> uh, I'm bit lost, what are nowadays the channels I should be joining?
[12:43] <Unit193> Tm_T: Are you directly in any ops teams on LP? :3
[12:44] <Tm_T> I used to be, let me check what is now... I might have left them expire
[12:45] <Unit193> paride: Done.
[12:45] <paride> Unit193, thanks!
[12:45] <Unit193> Sure thing.
[12:46] <Tm_T> @Unit193 I don't think so, if I read LP right
[12:46] <Tm_T> ...why I did put @ there
[12:46] <Unit193> Discord user?  Slack?
[12:47] <Unit193> rafaeldtinoco: Can you add your account name on libera to your LP IRC section?
[12:47] <rafaeldtinoco> Unit193: sure
[12:48] <rafaeldtinoco> Unit193: done
[12:48] <Tm_T> Unit193: should we consider me just a normal user from now on? I'm sure if I need any special rights I can earn them like anyone else
[12:48] <Unit193> Tm_T: #kubuntu and #kubuntu-offtopic?
[12:49] <Tm_T> haven't been any way active for year or three, don't know if I can help there and thus would cause false state on how many ops are there I'm afraid
[12:49] <Unit193> rafaeldtinoco: Done!
[12:49] <rafaeldtinoco> Unit193: thanks a lot
[12:51] <Tm_T> yeah, best to drop my special rights for now
[12:51] <Unit193> Well, nothing really to drop I think.  Just off the IRCC LP team. :3
[12:53] <Tm_T> Unit193: can I has cloak?
[12:53] <caribou> Hello, apparently I need to ask here to have the cloak setup for my account ? Here is my LP: profile : https://launchpad.net/~louis
[12:54] <coreycb> hello, please can I get a cloak as well? https://launchpad.net/~corey.bryant
[12:55] <Unit193> Tm_T: What was yours before?  You have an underscore.
[12:56] <Tm_T> bah, it was ubuntu/member/kde.developer.jkekkonen, can I has just ubuntu member one with tmt like LP acc
[12:56] <Unit193> Tm_T: KDE is regged here, if that matters?
[12:57] <Unit193> coreycb, caribou: Done.
[12:57] <caribou> thanks Unit193
[12:57] <coreycb> Unit193: thanks!
[12:57] <Unit193> Sure thing.
[12:58] <Tm_T> I don't feel I earn it anymore
[12:59] <Unit193> Done, Tm_T.
[12:59] <Tm_T> <3
[13:03] <stgraber> hey there, I'm moving queuebot over but the nick has already been registered, was that done by one of us?
[13:03] <stgraber> I've currently registered it as ubuntuqueue to get things back online but getting the old name would probably make for a slightly smoother transition
[13:03] <Unit193> stgraber: Most likely.
[13:04] <ddstreet> can i get an ubuntu cloak setup? lp id is ddstreet
[13:04] <Unit193> stgraber: Free to use now.
[13:04] <stgraber> Unit193: thanks!
[13:05] <leftyfb> stgraber: are you taking care of #lxcontainers as well?
[13:05] <stgraber> leftyfb: it's #lxc now
[13:05] <stgraber> Unit193: registered now, can you cloak it (ubuntu/bot/queuebot)?
[13:05] <Unit193> ddstreet: Done
[13:06] <ddstreet> thanks!
[13:06] <leftyfb> stgraber: oh, why is that?
[13:06] <Unit193> Done, stgraber.
[13:06] <stgraber> Unit193: thanks
[13:06] <Unit193> Sure thing!
[13:06] <stgraber> and we're back in business :)
[13:06] <knome> oi stgraber :)
[13:07] <stgraber> hey knome!
[13:09] <stgraber> Unit193: don't suppose you can use your super powers to make me an op in #lxcontainers (unregistered) so I can register it and have it forward to #lxc ? :)
[13:09] <stgraber> as it's not in #lxc-* it's outside of our registered project group
[13:14]  * Mirv hugs Tm_T
[13:14] <Unit193> (Looked into)
[13:16] <Mirv> Unit193: btw just a mention to check if #snappy needs something - I registered it by myself and then gave later founder rights to mvo, og_ra and zyga, but maybe it should be included in some more global administration thingies as well
[13:17] <Unit193> Uhh..Is that a Canonical thing or Ubuntu community thing, Mirv?
[13:19] <Unit193> stgraber: Actually, maybe mlock that +isf?  If services split and the channel becomes empty, they'll be lost.
[13:19] <Unit193> +restart
[13:19] <stgraber> Unit193: I did the mode changes through chanserv mlock
[13:19] <Unit193> /cs info #lxcontainers
[13:20] <stgraber> oops :)
[13:20] <stgraber> will do it properly now ;)
[13:20] <Mirv> Unit193: I'm not sure, it's a Snap community thing :) Can you ogra define #snappy, should be just separate upstream project as is or managed somehow ^ ? Maybe it's comparable to lxc
[13:21] <stgraber> Unit193: there, that's what I get for having done them in sequence instead of all at once, they get applied properly but only last value is saved in lock ;)
[13:21] <Unit193> LXC has its own namespace, eg Canonical also owns #launchpad* soo...  Anywho, maybe ubuntu/member/* cloaks make sense?
[13:21] <Unit193> stgraber: Haha, OK!
[13:21] <Unit193> Mirv: All else fails, you can just chanacs the -ops list I guess! :P
[13:22] <Mirv> ack
[13:22] <Unit193> Mirv: Look at the fn ACL?
[13:22] <knome> Tm_T!
[13:22] <Unit193> ...Nevermind, it's been hijecked.
[13:23] <knome> Tm_T is hijacked?
[13:23] <knome> oh noes
[13:23] <Unit193> By you!
[13:23]  * knome lurks
[13:23] <Mirv> Unit193: yeah, looks hijacked already, access lists cleared
[13:24] <Mirv> luckily for other channels I registered I grabbed access lists which seems to have been better wisdom than I anticipated
[13:25] <Unit193> ...I feel like fighting parents "Who gets to own #snappy?"
[13:26] <ikonia> does anyone want it is the real question :)
[13:26] <ogra> Unit193, Mirv, well, was #snappy located in the ubuntu namespace before in freenode `
[13:26] <ogra> ?
[13:26] <Tm_T> knome: accidents happen
[13:26] <Unit193> ikonia: Haha, ouch!
[13:27] <Unit193> Not likely, ogra.  I suspect outside of any namespace.
[13:28] <ogra> Unit193, we'd surely like to have logging at least ...
[13:28] <Unit193> IMO, it's part of snapcraft right?  That's kind of its own project at this point (snapcraft.io?) and maybe should be its own?  I don't know, spitballing here.
[13:28] <Unit193> ogra: Oh, that's rt@canonical.
[13:28] <Unit193> !rt
[13:28] <ubot3> The RT kernel is the Linux kernel with special realtime patches applied. It is not available in Ubuntu. See also !lowlatency and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/RealTimeKernel
[13:28] <Unit193> No, badbot.
[13:28] <ogra> haha
[13:29] <ogra> well, i see ubuntulog bots (two of them)
[13:29] <ogra> are they yours or canonicals
[13:29] <Unit193> Canonical.
[13:29] <ogra> k
[13:29] <ogra> well, i guess everything is fine if it is like it was before on freenode
[13:30] <Unit193> But we can make it better. :3
[13:31] <ogra> make it then 🙂
[13:31] <ogra> we'll just follow suit
[13:43] <RikMills> can I get a ubuntu cloak back please :)
[13:46] <Unit193> ...What was your LP again?
[13:46] <RikMills> Unit193: rikmills
[13:47] <Unit193> No c.
[13:47] <RikMills> nope
[13:47] <Unit193> Off by one!
[13:47] <Unit193> Done.
[13:47] <RikMills> Thanks :D
[13:48] <Unit193> Sure thing.
[14:42] <tjaalton> hi, #ubuntu-x needs a topic, how can I get it set up?
[14:48] <dannf> hey - may I have an ubuntu cloak? http://launchpad.net/~dannf
[15:13] <jelly> hi, can we have Drone in #ubuntu-hr maybe?  Does it manage channel logs here too?
[15:14] <Eickmeyer> Unit193: ^
[15:30] <dkessel> Hello. I would like to get my Ubuntu Member cloak. My launchpad page is: https://launchpad.net/~dkessel
[15:37] <forbiddenvoid> 1
[15:37] <om26er> Hey! I need my IRC cloak here, can anyone help ?
[15:39] <paride> Hi! I'd like to register #cloud-init, which is not under the #ubuntu-* namespace, but still an Ubuntu related project. Currently the channel has >20 users and it's not feasible to make all of them part in order to gain +o. Is there a way around to register it?
[15:45] <bdmurray> I'd like to make #ubuntu-installer redirect to #ubuntu-devel (something which was planned awhile ago) but I wasn't able to set the mode on #ubuntu-installer. Can somebody help me out?
[15:48] <kryten> dannf: While I can't apply the cloak for you, I can tell you that you need to add your Libera nick to your LP profile still for this.
[15:51] <kryten> om26er: Same for you and please also link to your LP profile.
[15:52] <kryten> jelly: No, Drone doesn't do channel logs.
[15:53] <rbasak> May I have an Ubuntu member cloak please? https://launchpad.net/~racb and I've updated my profile there.
[15:55] <kryten> jelly: ubuntulog and its siblings are, and would need to be requested via the Canonical infra folks.
[16:03] <dannf> kryten: thx - i thought I had, do i need to use a different syntax?
[16:03] <bdmurray> I also would like an Ubuntu member clock. https://launchpad.net/~brian-murray
[16:06] <kryten> dannf: Well, it says "dannf on libre.chat" currently.. :P  Just spelling out the entire domain seems pretty common, so "irc.libera.chat"; or even just "Libera" but also "Libera Chat" would suffice.
[16:07] <dannf> kryten: righto!
[16:07] <dannf> kryten: fix, ta!
[16:07] <kryten> Or "libera.chat" too as bdmurray got it.
[16:08] <kryten> dannf: Yw!
[16:11] <RikMills> #kubuntu-council does not appear to be registered. can that be sorted?
[16:12] <jelly> kryten, thanks for the info, we still need a chantracker however
[16:13] <kryten> jelly: Yeah, was only responding to the second part. :)
[16:15] <commandoline> Hi. I'd also like to request a member cloak, please. ( https://launchpad.net/~marten-de-vries confirms my irc.libera.chat nick)
[16:19] <kryten> om26er: Oh, also you need to register your nick on here in the first place.
[16:26] <TIMiDo> You will have to be patience commandoline and speak to Unit193
[16:27] <TIMiDo> He will do the trick but I'm not sure if Unit193 is online or not...
[16:42] <commandoline> TIMiDo: Yeah, of course, I just thought I'd add my request to the list. I imagine it's been pretty busy lately. :)
[16:43] <TIMiDo> Yeah ;(
[16:45] <TIMiDo> For your security, we've temporarily locked your user ID. To unlock it, either
[16:45] <TIMiDo> Some moron try to hack me
[17:19] <tumbleweed> Can I get re-cloaked?
[17:22] <jose> TIMiDo: Please note that we have an IRC Council and that they are actively monitoring the channel. Let's avoid pointing to a single person wherever possible - things will get tended to as our IRCC becomes available.
[17:22] <TIMiDo> ..
[17:26] <Ubuntu-fr-IRC> hi !
[17:35] <TIMiDo> Hello Ubuntu-fr-IRC
[18:49] <Ubuntu-fr-IRC> can i get a cloak please ? ( https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-fr-irc )  this account is present in #ubuntu-irc on freenode
[21:04] <santa_> hi there
[21:05] <santa_> is this the correct place to ask for a cloak?ç
[21:05] <santa_> this is my LP page: https://launchpad.net/~panfaust
[21:06] <santa_> I'm usually working on Kubuntu
[21:07] <Eickmeyer> Hey santa_! I'm sure the IRCC is monitoring this chatroom, and it'll get taken care of. :)
[21:08] <santa_> nice, thanks :)
[21:15] <sarnold> santa_: you're not currently identified with services; can you identify with nickserv? thanks
[21:33] <el> McPeter: you need to ask things over here for changes to be done on this network. the old network we lost many channels and access lists.
[21:34] <McPeter> yes yes … i ask on old server just to preserve the link with Ubuntu-fr-IRC account
[21:34] <McPeter> on the old server this user have cloak
[21:34] <el> to confirm identity?
[21:34] <McPeter> yes :)
[21:35] <McPeter> because Ubuntu-fr-IRC is not "user" .. it's group irc FR under locoteam FR
[21:35] <el> niko: are you familiar with the ubuntu-fr-irc setup from old net?
[21:35] <McPeter> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-fr-irc/+members
[21:35] <niko> el: yes
[21:36] <el> i am confused why it has a member cloak over ther eand not a bot cloak which aiui is what it is supposed to be?
[21:36] <McPeter> ah niko ! :)
[21:36] <santa_> el: I've just did something similar
[21:36] <santa_> is it ok now?
[21:36] <niko> el: it's an account holder
[21:36] <niko> in old net we even requested hold on it
[21:37] <el> niko: and he's asking for the "member" cloak to be restored here, but this is out of the normal way of bots having bots cloaks
[21:37] <el> is there a reason it's a regular member cloak and not a bot one?
[21:38] <niko> el: this is not a bot account, but the admin account who hold +f in #ubuntu-fr-*
[21:38] <niko> they want to hide "the real ip" behind a community cloak
[21:40] <el> my point is it's also not a "member" which is confusing and we likely need to figure out a better solution now
[21:41] <el> i'm deferring it to the sitting ircc which i'm not one of anymore
[21:41] <niko> ok, fine for me :)
[21:41] <McPeter> this account used only to register channel
[21:42] <McPeter> ok me too
[21:43] <el> santa_: you're still not identified. can you try to manually identify please? /msg nickserv identify santa_ yourpasswordhere
[21:44] <santa_> nvm
[21:44] <santa_> I think I have done something wrong, give me a few secs...
[22:13] <santa_> el: now the thing says I'm loged in
[22:13] <McPeter> ᴖ_ᴖ
[22:13] <el> hi santa, you are now logged in correctly yes :)
[22:14] <santa_> finally!
[22:14] <el> sarnold: are you sufficiently convinced to re-ask for the member cloak?
[22:14] <santa_> I configured this thing billions and billions of years ago and I forgot everything
[22:14] <el> santa_: it happens :)
[22:15] <el> when sarnold re-requests i'll do the cloaking
[22:15] <sarnold> el: yay, yes, please :) thanks
[22:15] <sarnold> thanks santa_
[22:16] <el> am i stripping the _ since they can't be in cloaks and hoping $a:santa doesn't want one also?
[22:17] <santa_> let's hope so
[22:17] <el> santa- isn't registered currently and could be groupped here and i could substitute the - for the _
[22:17] <santa_> someone registered "santa" in freenode
[22:17] <santa_> and someone registered in liberachat as well
[22:17] <santa_> some things never change XD
[22:18] <el> keep an eye on if it expires
[22:18] <santa_> el: ok, whaetever fits you better :)
[22:19] <santa_> * whatever
[22:19] <el> ok i've given your cloak as santa
[22:19] <el> but remember to keep an eye out for the nick expiring :)
[22:20] <santa_> how can I do that, just checking from time to time if no one else has it?
[22:21] <TIMiDo> Oh that's the headache I'm facing with my nick Aaron
[22:21] <el> it's sad yeah we couldn't bring the data :(
[22:22] <santa_> ack, thank you very much
[22:22] <TIMiDo> I don't care about the data What I care about someone else took the nick here ;(
[22:23] <el> McPeter: if you want to get a basic cloak for ubuntu-fr-irc until ircc decides what to do about cloaks, you can have it join #libera-cloak and it'll get a generic user cloak for now
[22:24] <McPeter> +1
[22:26] <el> the situation fell through cracks on freenode over the years i guess. but i believe they would need to pass a council resolution for either a utility cloak of some kind or a member cloaks.
[22:26] <el> the cloak probably preceeds the IRCC!
[22:27] <McPeter> ah cool :)
[22:28] <McPeter> better :p
[23:21] <Unit193> commandoline, dannf, rbasak, bdmurray: Cloaks set!
[23:21] <Trevinho> Hi, can I please get an ubuntu cloak?
[23:21] <Trevinho> my lp page is ~3v1n0
[23:22] <Unit193> Done, Trevinho.
[23:22] <Trevinho> Unit193: thanks
[23:24] <Unit193> dkessel: Set for you as well.
[23:24] <Unit193> bdmurray: I don't suppose you're still around?
[23:25] <Unit193> tjaalton, paride, RikMills: You here either?
[23:25] <TIMiDo> lol


[02:07] <zakidine> Bonsoir
[02:53] <Ankman> zakidine: allo
[03:13] <zakidine> Coucou Ankman
[03:20] <Ankman> yep
[04:19] <Ankman> g'nite
[14:21] <cyphermox> Ankman,  indeed many developers don't look at the forums.  It's mostly just launchpad bug reports or irc. Bug sounds like a flaw but maybe it just acts that way because there was a DISPLAY set
[20:00] <Ankman> cyphermox: thanks
[20:14] <Ankman> i removed $DISPLAY now. will see when the new version comes in


[07:20] <nhaines> It is my birthday!
[07:21] <nhaines> The best present will be a new Ubuntu.  (Now that I've already bought myself nice tech goodies like a new mic, anyway.)