[10:54] <touil76> Hello. I experience problem with ubuntu 12.04 with the waking up from suspend state. I have a samsung laptop.
[11:00] <touil76> At random times, when I press the power button from a suspended state, it looks like the hard disk begins to turn, but it doesn't wake up.
[11:07] <touil76> Can anyone help me with this issue please ?
[15:57] <alexbligh1> Anyone care to nominate LP#1366174 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+bug/1366174 for SRU?


[02:48] <dbb> hi all - I just tried to run apt-get update on a 10.10 maverick machine and it spews errors
[02:48] <dbb> is there no way to even update at all ?
[02:48] <dbb> naturally, the thing is running just fine
[04:40] <azend|vps_> Too bad dbb isn't an idler
[21:48] <DarwinSurvivor> yeah, gotta love it when someone asks an important (security related) question and then only waits 8 minutes for a reply
[21:48] <DarwinSurvivor> hopefully they moved to #ubuntu or somethong...


[01:48] <tonyyarusso> k1l: Are you sure it's users, plural?  I know I've had a user in #u-offtopic who I've banned from a zillion different IPs, all using kiwiirc, but all of the IPs were on the same ISP in Portugal.
[05:16] <stevendale> Hello operators.
[05:21] <stevendale> Phone almost flat. Goodbye.
[09:05] <k1l_> tonyyarusso: its what the kiwiirc guy told me. i do think its just one troll in our case.
[15:20] <phunyguy> k1l_: tonyyarusso: is it the same person with the redstation IPs?  That is the one I have seen abusing kiwiirc.
[15:20] <k1l_> if you ask me: yes.
[15:20] <tonyyarusso> phunyguy: redstation doesn't ring a bell
[15:20] <tonyyarusso> I'm not sure what that means
[15:20] <k1l_> there were some redstation ip trolls yesterday at the same time while the kiwiirc guy was active
[15:21] <k1l_> tonyyarusso: redstation is a .uk hoster. its used for proxy/vpn stuff that trolls use for evading bans
[15:22] <phunyguy> ^ yes that
[15:22] <phunyguy> some of my more recent bans have notes on it for #u-ot in bt
[15:22] <tonyyarusso> My bans are all on IPs that whois back to "MEO Broadband, PT Comunicacoes S.A."
[15:23] <phunyguy> they would use kiwirc, freenode web client, etc


[05:29] <Nqf523> Question: Why aren't the users' files stored on the Ubuntu One server encrypted? I don't understand.
[05:30] <Nqf523> https://one.ubuntu.com/help/faq/are-my-files-stored-on-the-server-encrypted/


[18:03] <stgraber> hello, with betafreeze on Thursday, I'd really appreciate it if I could get an answer on bug 736227 quite soon. Thanks a lot !
[18:03] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 736227 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Feature Freeze Exception for weblive support in software-center (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/736227
[18:11] <ScottK> stgraber: I think it's OK as long as mvo is good with the patch.  If you can get him to bless it, I'll approve it.
[18:28] <stgraber> ScottK: would an IRC log work for you ?
[18:28] <stgraber> 17:37 <mvo> if you could do the paperwork, that would rock
[18:28] <stgraber> 17:37 <mvo> just asking skate might be enough :)
[18:28] <stgraber> 17:37 <mvo> if she is fine, then I'm all for it
[18:28] <ScottK> stgraber: Sure.  Just copy it in the bug.
[18:29] <ScottK> Ping me when you've done that and I'll approve it.
[18:30] <stgraber> added to the bug
[18:36] <ScottK> stgraber: Approved.
[18:40] <stgraber> thanks
[19:28] <stgraber> ul8
[19:28] <stgraber> oops ;)


[19:52] <ktk1> 'allo
[19:52] <ktk1> Looking for display driver help. Maybe someone here has the magic.


[00:57] <gary_poster> huwshimi, hi.  to see what I mean, go to http://comingsoon.jujucharms.com/sidebar/search/bundle/~benji/wiki/5/wiki/:flags:/charmworldv3/?text=benji#bws-bundle
[00:57] <gary_poster> then click on the charm token
[00:57] <gary_poster> This appears:
[00:57] <gary_poster> mysql
[00:57] <gary_poster> Charm Name:cs:precise/mysql-27
[00:57] <gary_poster> Unit-Count:3
[00:57] <huwshimi> gary_poster: Oh, I figured it out, it's the little overlay of info :)
[00:57] <gary_poster> huwshimi, that's it :-)
[00:57] <gary_poster> thanks huwshimi .  everything going ok?
[00:58] <huwshimi> gary_poster: Yeah, just about to finish up here with the recommended stuff and then do that
[00:59] <gary_poster> awesome thanks huwshimi.
[01:00] <gary_poster> hatch btw changed comingsoon to point to staging
[01:00] <gary_poster> running away again
[01:07] <hatch> thanks :)
[12:37] <gary_poster> hey hazmat, on SF CDO sprint topics, do you want to be required for both "Colocation support for Bundles" (which I think clearly needs you) and "Bundles v2: Config and modify before deployment" (which is GUI specific) or just the first one?
[12:45] <gary_poster> hey rick_h_ , you looking at huwshimi's follow-on recommended charms branch or shall I?  I know you had (have) a lot on your plate with the charmworld problems on top of your other work.
[12:47] <rick_h_> gary_poster: I've not looked at it yet. If you've got the bandwidth that'd be cool
[12:47] <gary_poster> rick_h_, great.  on it.
[12:47] <rick_h_> thanks
[12:52] <rick_h_> bac: welcome back!
[12:52] <rick_h_> bac: you mean fitbit stepping machine
[12:53] <gary_poster> hey bac!  hope you had a great time
[12:54] <antdillon> gary_poster, Morning, did you want a quick catch up?
[12:54] <gary_poster> hey antdillon! welcome back to you too! :-)
[12:55] <antdillon> gary_poster, Thanks :) let me know when your free for a chat if you want one
[12:56] <gary_poster> antdillon, yeah...would it work to have a call in 30 minutes?  Or I can schedule something any time after that for the next couple of hours
[12:56] <antdillon> gary_poster, Anytime is good with me. Which ever works best for you
[12:57] <gary_poster> antdillon, great.  just set something up in calendar for half hour from now
[12:57] <gary_poster> thank you
[12:59] <antdillon> gary_poster, Great thanks
[13:10] <gary_poster> rick_h_, all of a sudden http://comingsoon.jujucharms.com/precise/juju-gui-77/ no longer shows our icon (it is connected to staging).  could this be related to one of your recent charmworld branches?
[13:12] <bac> thanks gary_poster, rick_h_.  yes good to be back and somewhat staitionary for a bit.
[13:12] <gary_poster> :-) ool
[13:12] <gary_poster> c
[13:16] <rick_h_> gary_poster: probably, looking
[13:17] <gary_poster> rick_h_, thank you.  also I'd like to consider tackling https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1235012 this morning, if it can be a quick fix: maybe can have a pre-imp with you in 45 min or so?
[13:17] <_mup_> Bug #1235012: Fullscreen charm details load tabs above content <charmbrowser> <juju-gui:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1235012>
[13:17] <rick_h_> gary_poster: sure thing
[13:17] <gary_poster> thank you
[13:18] <rick_h_> gary_poster: so I think we've found something of our bug with the new site.
[13:18] <rick_h_> gary_poster: notice that your charm on stagins is missing all code, the description
[13:18] <rick_h_> gary_poster: I think ti's not showing the icon because the files aren't there to show
[13:18] <gary_poster> rick_h_, ah! :-(
[13:19] <rick_h_> gary_poster: yea, very :(
[13:19] <rick_h_> gary_poster: because other recommended charms have their icons atm and have their files and such
[13:19] <rick_h_> strange that it's just the one charm. /me checks other 'new' charms
[13:20] <gary_poster> rick_h_, at least we can diagnose this one locally.  are you ok with looking at this?  I suspect bac is doing email triage but we could ask him to investigate with you or alone?
[13:20] <rick_h_> gary_poster: yea, I think I have staging access somewhere. Looking now.
[13:20] <gary_poster> cool
[13:20] <bac> gary_poster, rick_h_, yeah i'm just wading through emails.  glad to pair on something if useful.
[13:20] <gary_poster> cool thanks bac
[13:21] <bac> rick_h_: and i do have staging accessa and know how to use it!
[13:21] <rick_h_> thanks bac
[13:30] <rick_h_> jujugui orangesquad heads up I'm commenting out all cron jobs on staging.jujucharms.com so that I can debug the current state of things. Please don't land any changes to the codebase for a bit as well.
[13:30] <benji> k
[13:30] <bac> rt
[13:31] <abentley> rick_h_: ack
[13:31] <gary_poster> x
[13:31] <gary_poster> (the unknown)
[13:32] <gary_poster> antdillon, I am in  https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/calendar/Z2FyeS5wb3N0ZXJAY2Fub25pY2FsLmNvbQ.mph7p8n965vj59586qkphghkckbut no rush
[13:32] <antdillon> gary_poster, Loading
[13:41] <hazmat> gary_poster, hmm.. i'm fine with just doing the first
[13:42] <gary_poster> ack thanks hazmat will update
[13:55] <gary_poster> benji, I suspect you have seen or will see soon the email from Mark B.  When you have an idea of the answer, or when you think it is reasonable for me to ping Kent about it, please let me know.
[13:57] <benji> gary_poster: Kent just came online, I'm working on an issue he had late yesterday afternoon.  If we can get it fixed soon we could schedule then.
[13:57] <gary_poster> cool thanks very much benji.  please let me know when you know more
[13:57] <benji> gary_poster: will do
[14:02] <frankban> hey gary_poster: the charmers' charm is updated to revision 77, and I tested the upgrade steps. we are now able to 1) test it in a firewalled environment and 2) make a new jujucharms.com release
[14:06] <hazmat> what's ice cream?
[14:07] <gary_poster> frankban, awesome! :-)
[14:07] <hatch> hazmat: frozen cream
[14:08] <gary_poster> hazmat, a requested ODS demo
[14:08] <hazmat> hatch, wouldn't that make it hard to use on a screen, it melts and obscures everything ? ;-)
[14:08] <hatch> haha
[14:09] <gary_poster> frankban, I can ask kentb to try  it out in a firewalled environment.  Or are you doing so?
[14:10] <gary_poster> rick_h_, hey.  when you have time for a pre-imp let me know
[14:11] <rick_h_> gary_poster: pre-imp on the z-index?
[14:12] <gary_poster> rick_h_, pre-imp on that bug I mentioned.  I don't think that is z-index.  but lemme reboot after this upgrade...
[14:12] <rick_h_> gary_poster: oh, sorry yea. Sure thing. Any time.
[14:12] <gary_poster> thanks
[14:12] <rick_h_> gary_poster: rgr
[14:12] <frankban> gary_poster: please do it thanks!
[14:22] <gary_poster> rick_h_, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/10fe9c48d75b9ebbe273219cb03f4e53869ce4f7 when you have a chance.  no rush.
[14:28] <rick_h_> benji: or bac either of you have time to do a quick "does this make you think of anything" chat?
[14:28] <benji> rick_h_: I will in about 10 minutes
[14:28] <rick_h_> benji: thanks
[14:29] <bac> rick_h_: sure
[14:30] <rick_h_> bac: maybe wait the 10 and then we can all see if this issue rings any bells to anyone
[14:30] <rick_h_> ?
[14:32] <hatch> hey gary_poster did you ever reply to my q as to where your sort differs from a lexographical one?
[14:32] <bac> rick_h_: sure.  i wish hangouts could have theme music.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPYese-Hl8M
[14:32] <gary_poster> hatch I did in the code, sorry.   will reply to the MP
[14:32] <hatch> oh woops I missed that
[14:32] <hatch> I was able to get the same results with just using .sort() so was curious
[14:33] <rick_h_> bac: lol
[14:35] <gary_poster> hatch, that may indicate that I should write a better test.  I just made a rv reply with the comment though
[14:36] <hatch> cool thanks
[14:37] <gary_poster> hatch, I had a real world example that showed more but I ripped it out at the last instant because, even though it passed in IE 10, FF and Chrome it failed in phantom.  I am 99% sure it is because of differences in localeCompare
[14:37] <gary_poster> (a real world test)
[14:37] <hatch> ahh - entirely possible
[14:38] <gary_poster> the sort was still reasonable
[14:38] <gary_poster> just not the same
[14:40] <hatch> apple has to be the only company I know of that has a press conference within 10 days and still doesn't tell anyone about it
[14:43] <bac> hatch: and it'll be SRO
[14:43] <hatch> sro?
[14:43] <bac> packed.  standing room only
[14:44] <hatch> oh - right probably
[14:44] <hatch> it would be funny if no one showed up because they had made other plans
[14:44] <hatch> 'sorry went on vacation'
[14:48] <gary_poster> hatch did my explanation make sense?
[14:48] <hatch> it did yes thanks
[14:49] <gary_poster> cool
[14:51] <gary_poster> luca__, should we cancel the web team mtg until further notice?  I think we all have the best intentions and all are swamped :-P  We might be able to look at the SASS change after SFO but tbh all of the other UX items are higher priority
[14:51] <luca__> gary_poster: yeah, I agree hehe
[14:51] <gary_poster> :-/ :-)
[14:52] <hatch> those orange corners look out of place :)
[14:52] <gary_poster> hatch as in bug or as in they surprise you?
[14:52] <hatch> like they feel too far away from the content - there is so much whitespace between the content and the triangle
[14:53] <hatch> so it kind of feels like it was just 'put there'
[14:53] <gary_poster> ack hatch.  not sure I agree, but tbh not an engineering bug is my current interest :-P :-)
[14:53] <gary_poster> classifying as "not an engineering bug" I mean
[14:54] <hatch> nope not that
[14:57] <gary_poster> hatch but please raise with luca if you have concern
[14:57] <gary_poster> not denying your opinion, just determining whether I have to prioritize what you are saying :-)
[15:02] <hatch> gary_poster: I probably wouldn't ;) But from my QA day yesterday https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1237457 you might want to schedule :)
[15:02] <_mup_> Bug #1237457: Hitting enter quickly in autocomplete causing result list to appear over real results <juju-gui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1237457>
[15:02] <gary_poster> wow.  if you go to a fullscreen view of a charm directly, the page renders sidebar, fullscreen, sidebar, (broken) fullscreen
[15:03] <gary_poster> ack thanks hatch
[15:03] <rick_h_> gary_poster: lol, so it's a bigger bug than thought.
[15:03] <hatch> can we get rid of fullscreen yet? :D
[15:04] <gary_poster> :-) not yet
[15:04] <rick_h_> gary_poster: it's supposed to draw the fullscreen details, the sidebar is rendered but empty and hidden (I think) and originally we had a fullscreen editorial behind the fullscreen details but I thuoght we got rid of it
[15:04] <gary_poster> gotcha
[15:05] <rick_h_> gary_poster: the key is that you hit all three routes and their callables per request, and then double dispatch hits the second pass through. Only one should 'run' though and the other two should bail out.
[15:06] <gary_poster> rick_h_, so should charm render be called four times?
[15:06] <gary_poster> (i.e., where is the bailing out supposed to happen)
[15:07] <hatch> gary_poster: now that we have moved to the new inspector we could entertain assigning some dev days to removing the double dispatch completely
[15:07] <rick_h_> gary_poster: routeDefault, routeDirectCharmId (which you should be hitting), and routeView
[15:07] <gary_poster> hatch, after SFO we are going to have a "prep for 1.0/papercuts" time period
[15:07] <rick_h_> gary_poster: those determine which main call to hit fullscreen, sidebar, minimized
[15:07] <hatch> cool cool
[15:08] <rick_h_> gary_poster: and then each of those methods does the real logic to call the various _renderXXX required
[15:08] <gary_poster> hatch, I am proposing a sprint session for us to prioritize what papercuts to tackle
[15:08] <rick_h_> gary_poster: those completely might get hit twice, but should not be 4 times :/
[15:08] <rick_h_> hatch: what's the YUI combo file builder tool again?
[15:08] <rick_h_> hatch: searching YUI builder gets me all kinds of shifter crap
[15:08] <hatch> combinator
[15:09] <hatch> nope thats wrong
[15:09] <hatch> configurator
[15:09] <hatch> http://yuilibrary.com/yui/configurator/
[15:09] <hatch> the combinator is something else
[15:09] <rick_h_> bac: still got time? I'm ready to confess or something before i lose my mind
[15:09] <bac> sure
[15:09] <rick_h_> invite on the way
[15:09] <gary_poster> rick_h_, ack.  fwiw, the this._details.destroy(); approach in _cleanOldViews did not address
[15:10] <gary_poster> even as a band aid
[15:10] <rick_h_> gary_poster: :/ ok. If I can figure out this charmworld issue I"d love to pair on that and help. I know that browser state stuff is a pita and I know the buried bodies more than anyone
[15:10] <gary_poster> ack rick_h_ thx
[15:11] <rick_h_> bac: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/39287b62294faad7d485563b5753a945d51623a1?hl=en and benji if you get time
[15:12] <gary_poster> benji, re: keyboard shortcuts, I am after a quick win pre SFO.  are they truly so poorly thought out that we can't show them?
[15:13] <hatch> gary_poster: should we put our timeoff  on the juju ui calendar?
[15:14] <gary_poster> benji, I was hoping for a Huw styling branch, after which we say, "look, keyboard shortcuts!"  I think what we have is better than nothing, and we are unlikely to prioritize the keyboard bits in the near future unless someone finds the time to adopt them as a hobby/slack (ha ha? :-( ) project
[15:14] <gary_poster> hatch, not necessary for me.  if you think it would be helpful for team, propose for weekly call?
[15:15] <hatch> sure - I'm just doing it because I usually forget what others are doing :)
[15:15] <gary_poster> hatch, fwiw do you know about https://canonicaladmin.com/canonical/intramaster.nsf/2Week?openform
[15:15] <gary_poster> it's what I use
[15:16] <gary_poster> not ideal but sufficient
[15:19] <hatch> I didn't but cool
[15:19] <hatch> now I do :)
[15:20] <gary_poster> hatch :-) available from left hand side "Reports" -> "Holiday/Leave Calendar"
[15:32] <gary_poster> rick_h_, this solves the immediate problem.  As the comment says, it's reasonable, but also a band-aid for a bigger issue.  I'll try to investigate the bigger issue for a bit now.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6214235/
[15:35] <gary_poster> I really think we should be using the db as a charm cache for the browse, or at the very least give browse its own charm cache.  ATM I don't see a reason to separate them.
[15:36] <gary_poster> but tha's also a separate issue
[15:43] <rick_h_> gary_poster: yea, so that's the thing. the view should worry about the state/double dispatch bug. I've tried to capture any mess of that into just browser.js so that all the crazy is in once place
[15:44] <rick_h_> gary_poster: the fact that ignoring a call works is a sign there's a missing state check. It's trying to re-render for some reason in browser.js when it should be saying "This is already done, skip"
[15:44] <rick_h_> gary_poster: as for the charm cache, we can move it where we want. Originally the models weren't comaptible and the browser/inspector share the same cache now.
[15:44] <gary_poster> cache: right, cool
[15:44] <rick_h_> gary_poster: I don't recall where Makyo set that up, did it move from browser.js up to app.js?
[15:45] <rick_h_> gary_poster: but it's why the store methods take a cache arg is so that one cache could be setup/used/shared
[15:45] <benji> how does one specify that a charm can have multiple relations of a given type?
[15:45] <rick_h_> benji: I think the charm just has to handle it in the hook/config.
[15:46] <gary_poster> benji, it's a bit of a mess, in core and gui.  there's a bug.  but anyway, practically speaking:
[15:46] <rick_h_> benji: I think that's the big discussion that went round with the haproxy/etc the other day
[15:46] <gary_poster> - GUI disallows requires to make more than one connection
[15:46] <gary_poster> - GUI allows provides to make more than one connection
[15:46] <gary_poster> so
[15:46] <gary_poster> ice cream should provide ice cream
[15:46] <gary_poster> and toppings should require ice cream
[15:47] <gary_poster> and I think it will do what you want
[15:47] <gary_poster> benji, clear as mud?
[15:47] <benji> gary_poster: that's (esentially) what I tried, it only allows one relation
[15:47] <benji> (I had one relation type for "topping" and one for "sauce", which of course lets there be two relations to an ice cream)
[15:48] <gary_poster> benji that is the opposite of what I said
[15:48] <benji> oh! reverse the requires/provdes
[15:48] <gary_poster> see what I mean?
[15:48] <gary_poster> yes
[15:48] <benji> I'll try that now.
[15:48] <gary_poster> cool
[15:50] <Makyo> jujugui call in 10
[15:58] <gary_poster> jujugui call in 2
[16:00] <hatch> rick_h_: last night my HTC One got the Android 4.3 update
[16:01] <hatch> the odd ui lags that were sometimes there appear to be all gone now
[16:02] <rick_h_> cool, no 4.3 here :(
[16:02] <hatch> well mine has Sense 5 so it's not 'true' 4.3 but the core improvements all seem to be there
[16:28] <Makyo> jujugui That was it, was trying to use a real store.  Will add that to the card and propose.
[16:28] <gary_poster> yay :-)
[16:30] <Makyo> Async was just hiding things, since the only error was a timeout.
[16:30] <hatch> the mock test suite I've been thinking about would also be a good way to avoid these issues
[16:33] <bac> rick_h_: i did the ingest locally and then in mongo see this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6214424/
[16:34] <bac> rick_h_: it looks complete.
[16:34] <bac> rick_h_: won't answer mystery but may try doing enqueue/ingest again on staging to see what it produces
[16:36] <rick_h_> bac: yep, thanks. Verifies what I did locally as well
[16:36] <bac> rick_h_: why don't i take this card and you go on to the revision problem?
[16:37] <rick_h_> bac: k, if you've got caught up enough to look that'd be great.
[16:37] <bac> rick_h_: sure
[16:38] <rick_h_> bac: did you awnt me to walk you through how I was debugging on the staging server?
[16:38] <bac> rick_h_: maybe later.  i'm about to have lunch and i just want to poke around a bit first on staging
[16:39] <rick_h_> bac: rgr
[16:39] <rick_h_> geeze, it is almost 1pm. where did today go?
[16:58] <rick_h_> gary_poster: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/1035/ is the bug fix. Will work on adding test cases in there.
[16:58] <hatch> do we have a bundle which has any non-recommended charms?
[16:58] <rick_h_> gary_poster: basically the routeDirectCharmId should have skipped maye.
[16:59] <rick_h_> hatch: I don't think so atm.
[16:59] <hatch> alrighty
[16:59] <hatch> TDD it is
[17:00] <benji> gary_poster: ice cream is go
[17:04] <rick_h_> gary_poster: actually, this version is 'more' correct. That route should just ignore the call and pass it along. http://paste.mitechie.com/show/1036/
[17:07] <benji> gary_poster: if we are going to have a call with Mark B. we have less than 3 hours from now to do it ("kentb:#canonical> benji: ok. I need to pack these up by 3pm Central time, though.  Gotta get them to the loading dock for a Thursday a.m. pickup")
[17:08] <gary_poster> benji, ack
[17:08] <gary_poster> trying
[17:08] <gary_poster> will lunch later :-)
[17:09] <gary_poster> rick_h_, cool.  I'd like to have both if you don't mind: mine still handles less-likely scenarios of views changing quickly
[17:10] <rick_h_> gary_poster: but the only way views change quickly is through the browser which destorys before it creates
[17:11] <rick_h_> gary_poster: I guess disagree but if you'd like them can add them. It doesn't 'hurt' just crosses the bounds of isolating dispatch rules into just browser.js
[17:11] <gary_poster> rick_h_, ack.  may do yours only, or if you want to land go for it.  will be returning to lunch soon I hope
[17:12] <rick_h_> gary_poster: rgr, lunch is in the oven so working on tests over lunch and will submit shortly.
[17:12] <gary_poster> thanks rick_h_ !
[17:17]  * hatch needs a bigger callstack, it's been exceeded
[17:17] <gary_poster> benji, how soon UTC-wise would a demo work for you?  I was going to set up a meeting with Mark but his schedule is booked, so I'll just offer a time
[17:17] <gary_poster> I mean a range of times
[17:17] <gary_poster> benji, tomorrow morning I mean, sorry
[17:19] <benji> gary_poster: and time tomorrow from 8 Eastern on will work for me
[17:19] <gary_poster> ok thanks benji
[17:25] <Makyo> jujugui 2 reviews and QA, please! https://codereview.appspot.com/14438061
[17:26] <gary_poster> Makyo, I'm doing a review
[17:31] <Makyo> jujugui Would like real upgrade charm QA, but you can fake it by adding a service and then running app.db.services.item(0).set('charmChanged', true)
[17:34] <rick_h_> jujugui tiny branch/qa please https://codereview.appspot.com/14441054/ see bug referenced for any missing details. #1235012
[17:34] <_mup_> Bug #1235012: Fullscreen charm details load tabs above content <charmbrowser> <juju-gui:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1235012>
[17:36] <jcastro> heya rick_h_
[17:37] <hazmat> gary_poster, any chance gui export can drop empty constraint values its currently dumping via shift-D
[17:37] <rick_h_> jcastro: howdy
[17:37] <gary_poster> hazmat, yes, I believe part of bcsaller's current work; if not we want it too and will happen hopefully within next couple of weeks
[17:38] <jcastro> rick_h_, nm, gary answered my question
[17:38] <jcastro> I have some ideas for bundles but I need export to work
[17:38] <jcastro> but I can work around
[17:39] <hazmat> gary_poster, cool this is re bug 1233234.. i can work around in deployer, but we've already got versions for saucy in.
[17:39] <_mup_> Bug #1233234: don't export empty / non existent constraints <juju-gui:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1233234>
[17:48] <hatch> bcsaller: you're a proponant of the Object.keys().forEach technique ... can you tell me why this one is breaking out of the closure? http://jsbin.com/AtoYElI/1/edit
[17:49] <hatch> I should know this but I'm drawing a blank
[17:49]  * bcsaller looks
[17:50] <bcsaller> hatch: you mean that name is being resolved from somewhere else?
[17:50] <hatch> yeah name isn't available where the debugger statement is
[17:52] <bcsaller> so if you console log name before the Object keys it works, I think its getting collected as unused by something there
[17:52] <bcsaller> bad jit or the like
[17:55] <Makyo> rick_h_, will review yours, if you still need it.  Swap reviews if you have time?
[17:55] <rick_h_> Makyo: sure thing
[17:57] <hatch> bcsaller: thanks - that seems to be the consensus elsewhere too
[18:01] <gary_poster> Makyo, trivial css to fix before release: http://comingsoon.jujucharms.com/sidebar/search/precise/django-rainbow-1/?text=django-rainbow shows text wrapping ignoring whitespace for word breaks in the description.  I bet this is to try and keep long strings from hosing the presentation, but hopefully there is a happy medium
[18:02] <gary_poster> hey jcastro, I got a complaint that a user could not connect mysql to django-rainbow in the GUI.  that's because the charm apparently doesn't work that way.  May I send the user your way?
[18:03] <Makyo> gary_poster, alright, will take a look.
[18:03] <gary_poster> thank you Makyo
[18:04] <jcastro> gary_poster, marco would be better probably
[18:04] <gary_poster> jcastro, ok thanks
[18:06] <rick_h_> Makyo: are there suggested real qa instructinos then? (the non cheating db kind?)
[18:07] <rick_h_> gary_poster: or are you doing QA on Makyo's branch?
[18:07] <gary_poster> rick_h_, no on calls
[18:07] <rick_h_> rgr
[18:07] <Makyo> rick_h_, Set up  an environment with this branch of the gui (either through changing config or deploying and setting juju-gui-source), then juju deploy cs:precise/mysql-15 and upgrading; should get the message that the service was upgraded.
[18:07] <rick_h_> Makyo: rgr
[18:08] <rick_h_> Makyo: does it not work/do anything in sandbox then?
[18:08] <Makyo> rick_h_, sandbox will always grab latest charms.
[18:08] <rick_h_> gotcha
[18:22] <rick_h_> Makyo: got a second to hangout?
[18:22] <Makyo> rick_h_, sur
[18:23] <Makyo> e
[18:24] <rick_h_> Makyo: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/719c922cf26bc270b30d1bd557d17218caf34af2?hl=en
[18:36] <gary_poster> rick_h_, do bundles have working changelogs?  if so, how do we get them?
[18:36] <rick_h_> gary_poster: /me goes to look
[18:36] <gary_poster> thanks rick_h_
[18:37] <rick_h_> gary_poster: they're not in the current API passed out, I'd imagine we coudl generate them as new metadata like we did charm_metadata and files as a feature
[18:37] <gary_poster> ok cool rick_h_ thanks.  will add card
[18:37] <rick_h_> gary_poster: rgr
[19:02] <bac> rick_h_: i think i've found a bug in ingester that only occurs when a new versio of the charm existed.  trying to replicate locally but not sure i can enqueue a previous version.
[19:03] <rick_h_> bac: ah, benji added some logic to go back and find old versions? wonder if it's something out of that.
[19:03] <benji> rick_h_: not yet (that work was paused for ice cream)
[19:03] <rick_h_> benji: ah, ok. So we don't have a way to go back and enqueue the previous version atm then?
[19:03] <benji> (what did land was code that checked out the actual version of the branch which was enqueued, instead of the most recent version)
[19:04] <benji> rick_h_: nope; my intent is that at ingest time we will query the charm store for the last N revisions and ingest them if they are not in the DB
[19:06] <gary_poster> hey marcoceppi_ .  I had user feedback that the GUI didn't allow him to connect django-rainbow to mysql.  Of course, it doesn't allow that because the charm doesn't allow that.  Could I connect the user to you to help them figure out how to move forward?  This thread is 10 days old, so it may lead anywhere, but it's worth trying
[19:06] <gary_poster> it may not lead anywhere
[19:07] <marcoceppi_> gary_poster: definitely
[19:07] <gary_poster> awesome thanks Makyo
[19:07] <gary_poster> marcoceppi_, thanks I mean
[19:07]  * Makyo curtseys, anyhow.
[19:07] <rick_h_> bac: ok, want to go through it? Can we test out the issue in tests/mock data perhaps?
[19:08] <rick_h_> now that the juju-core site is acting ok I'm not sure it's a huge deal. It appears that things are starting to work
[19:08] <rick_h_> might have jsut been several unreleated things breaking at once that seemed to be related to each other sending me scambling
[19:08] <rick_h_> scrambling that is
[19:08] <bac> rick_h_: sure, you want to chat?
[19:08] <gary_poster> Makyo, :-) actually something for you.  in your qa, could you try deploying a service from juju core and then seeing if dragging works properly in the gui?  I had an issue with that when I was hacking on deployer bits to get them deployable: after deploying the bundle, the charm drag doesn't work properly
[19:08] <rick_h_> bac: sure
[19:09] <rick_h_> bac: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/N5mZjt8pongxvvIFSRzcyA?hl=en
[19:10] <Makyo> gary_poster, sure
[19:13] <benji> gary_poster: the ice creams are going in the box
[19:13] <gary_poster> cool benji.  with relations?
[19:13] <benji> the condor flies at midnight
[19:14] <gary_poster> :-)
[19:14] <benji> gary_poster: yep
[19:14] <gary_poster> awesome benji!  thanks a lot
[19:15] <gary_poster> benji, back to ingestion, at least after catching your breath, then?  We have some bundle story 1 tasks left, but you were kind of in the middle of the ingest.
[19:15] <benji> gary_poster: yeah after I make a quick branch to fix a couple of small bugs I found while doing the ice cream stuff
[19:16] <gary_poster> cool thanks benji
[19:32] <gary_poster> rick_h_, do you mind if I forward your two observations about the upgrade charm UX to luca, cc-ing peeps?
[19:33] <rick_h_> gary_poster: sure thing, please do
[19:33] <gary_poster> thanks rick_h_
[19:35] <gary_poster> hey jcastro, for bug 1237605, we do that now.  I've seen it work in ec2.  it doesn't work quite as I want it to, but it works, as opposed to your screenshot.  what environment is this on?
[19:35] <_mup_> Bug #1237605: Public URL in the inspector should be clickable <juju-gui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1237605>
[19:35] <bac> rick_h_: are you turning the cron jobs back on?
[19:35] <gary_poster> oh
[19:35] <gary_poster> duh
[19:35] <jcastro> gary_poster, ec2. :)
[19:35] <gary_poster> it is ec2
[19:36] <jcastro> I deployed what's in the charm store as of 20 minutes ago
[19:36] <gary_poster> jcastro, ack.  weird.  I'll investigate; was working for me.  thanks for bug
[19:36] <rick_h_> bac: no, not right now. I think the plan is 1: review change, 2: land change, 3: watch for change to hit jenkins/staging update 4: see if cron job is auto turned back on by charm on upgrade and then either uncomment or check that the data is *fixed*
[19:38] <bac> rick_h_: sounds good
[19:41] <bac> benji: would you have a moment for a quick charmworld review?
[19:41] <benji> bac: sure
[19:41] <bac> https://code.launchpad.net/~bac/charmworld/update-branch/+merge/190229
[19:42] <benji> bac: ooh, that was probably my fault
[19:43] <bac> benji: well...i wasn't going to bring that up.  :)
[19:43] <rick_h_> gary_poster: so per mthaddon they managed to get the package into IS repos. The deploy is looking good: http://manage.jujucore.jujucharms.com/charms/precise/liferay has qa data and such in it
[19:43] <benji> :)
[19:43] <bac> benji: but 'bzr blame' spares no feelings
[19:43] <benji> bac: Looks good. It would be nice to add a test that would have caught this bug (i.e., really call the function with a dict).
[19:43] <rick_h_> gary_poster: so they're looking to continue the migration/etc tomorrow now.
[19:43] <rick_h_> gary_poster: fyi and all that before I run away for today.
[19:44] <gary_poster> rick_h_, thanks :-)  any quick update on the juju-gui probs on staging?
[19:44] <rick_h_> gary_poster: bac is proposing a branch now that should fix it. Once it lands it should re-ingest and hopefully 'self-heal'
[19:44] <rick_h_> gary_poster: I've got the other bug as my next todo and will have that up tomorrow sometime if all goes well
[19:45] <gary_poster> awesome.  thanks rick_h_ !  thanks bac!  rick_h_ hopefully tomorrow you can emerge from emergency-land :-)
[19:45] <gary_poster> have a nice evening
[19:45] <bac> benji: test_update_branch_passes_on_subprocess_errors_if_not_retrying does pass a dict and it works
[19:45] <bac> benji: the test i correct now shows that it requires a dict.  i *think* we're covered.
[19:45] <benji> bac: then how did the bug survive?
[19:46] <bac> benji: ah, because the call site of update_branch was wrong
[19:47] <benji> bac: I guess there is an agument to be made that there is still a missing test then, one that would have caught this bug
[19:47] <bac> benji: yes, looking the function 'fetch_branch' is completely untested.  i'll do that now
[19:48] <benji> cool
[19:49] <Makyo> OT: anyone know how to file a claim with BCBSMA?
[19:49] <benji> gary_poster: oh, I took this screen shot to show you the finished product and forgot to actually show you: http://i.imgur.com/aURfaEl.png
[19:50] <hatch> benji: :D I love it!
[19:51] <bac> benji: that's a lot of units of ice cream
[19:51] <gary_poster> benji, awesome :-)
[19:51] <gary_poster> benji, I will share with Mark B :-)
[19:51] <benji> bac: I have a big appetite
[19:58] <gary_poster> hey benji, on your taskbar on the top right, what is the blue icon of an S being squished by robot hands stand for?
[20:00] <benji> gary_poster: that is synapse (sp?) which is the launcher I use (shhh, don't tell anyone I don't use that keyboard-unfriendly unity launcher)
[20:00] <gary_poster> benji :-) ok secret is safe with me
[20:05] <arosales> gary_poster, hello I may have missed this and if so I apologize, but did the charm auth config option land?
[20:06] <gary_poster> arosales, yes, sent you an email last week.  It was in the dev charm then.  As of today, actually, it should be in the released charm.
[20:06] <arosales> gary_poster, ah great to hear
[20:07] <hatch> rick_h_: in your experience with widget children is it expected that the attributes aren't set until after render? Or is there just something bonkers with the Token ?
[20:07] <arosales> gary_poster, sorry for missing the mail last week (filters failing me)
[20:07] <gary_poster> arosales, np :-)
[20:15] <abentley> orangesquad, benji, bac: I've updated Jenkins so that permission to land is based on membership in juju-jitsu.  Both Yellow and Orange are members, so this shouldn't be a problem, but let me know if it is.
[20:15] <jcsackett> abentley: ack, thanks. :-)
[20:15] <bac> abentley: great
[20:31] <gary_poster> Makyo, first charm I deploy on comingsoon always has 0 units :-(
[20:31] <Makyo> gary_poster, oh, hmm.  Been working in local, let me switch to sandbox.
[20:32] <rick_h_> hatch: no idea. widgets are Y.Object so I'd expect the normal initialzier(cfg) setting ATTR as any other Y.Object
[20:33] <hatch> rick_h_: intersting - because setters in Token are not called if it's not rendered
[20:34] <hatch> so must be some wakoness with the Child thing
[20:41] <gary_poster> Makyo, I bet I know the problem.  trying something.
[20:43] <benji> I'll note something I heard from Kent (something I have heard from a few people): the outline of a big charm that is displayed over an empty canvas looks like the app is broken; people interpret it as a drop-shadow of an image that didn't load
[20:44] <gary_poster> benji, please either send to luca and cc peeps, or I will :-) though I think that's going away in his plans already as part of the onboarding.
[20:45] <benji> gary_poster: I'll send a message
[20:45] <gary_poster> thanks benji
[20:52] <gary_poster> Makyo, bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gary/juju-gui/fixGoSandboxWatcher/ has fixes which makes it work, but also two test failures, and the change to _prepareDelta in sandbox.js is not right.  At least one of the tests is wrong.
[20:52] <Makyo> gary_poster, alright, will merge that with the style branch and see what I can do with it.
[20:53] <gary_poster> Makyo, looking more but have to go soon
[20:53] <gary_poster> cool
[20:53] <gary_poster> thank you
[20:59] <rick_h_> hatch: http://yuilibrary.com/yui/docs/api/files/widget-parent_js_Widget-Parent.js.html#l453 it just calls new XXX on the child and returns it
[20:59] <rick_h_> hatch: nothing strange in the parent there
[20:59] <gary_poster> Makyo, fixed one test and pushed; looking at other
[20:59] <rick_h_> hatch: setters aren't called on any Y.Object init I thought :/
[20:59] <hatch> rick_h_: it would probably be in the childs init cycle not the parent
[20:59] <hatch> rick_h_: Y.Base.create() you mean?
[21:00] <hatch> and yes, attr setup is done before initializer is called
[21:00] <rick_h_> hatch: the child is just an instance of a widget
[21:00] <hatch> so Y.WIdgetChild is empty?
[21:00] <rick_h_> http://yuilibrary.com/yui/docs/api/files/widget-child_js_Widget-Child.js.html#l9
[21:01] <hatch> interesting, it's just a constructor
[21:01] <rick_h_> it mixes some stuff in but doesn't touch init/construction really. Just adds a few attrs and helper methods
[21:02] <rick_h_> hatch: but I thought setter wasn't called in normal Y.Object init. I know I"ve got a comment somewhere about 'better way to do this' because of that issue
[21:02] <hatch> why do you keep saying Y.Object init?
[21:02] <hatch> am I missing something
[21:02] <hatch> ?
[21:02] <rick_h_> hatch: see the store/charmworld.js and the initializer there
[21:03] <rick_h_> hatch: it seems you're complaining that a setter isn't called when a WidgetParent creates instances of WidgetChildren
[21:03] <rick_h_> hatch: because your setter isn't called
[21:03] <hatch> right...but what is a Y.Object?
[21:03] <rick_h_> hatch: but that's never going to be true for YUI Objects as I ran into with store/charmworld.js
[21:03] <hatch> where are you creating instances using Y.Object?
[21:03] <rick_h_> Y.Object == my shorthand for a YUI Object with ATTRS/etc
[21:03] <rick_h_> hatch: sorry, bad notation for that.
[21:03] <hatch> ok so Y.Base.create() :)
[21:03] <gary_poster> Makyo, other test shows that either my change to normalize to "annotations" is correct, or it should be "annotation".  Thing to do there is verify with Go environment
[21:03] <hatch> ok got it
[21:04] <hatch> ok now I have to write up a quick bin
[21:04] <hatch> I can't believe I've had this wrong the whole time haha
[21:04] <rick_h_> hatch: so anyway, I think your issue is nothing to do with widgets at all much less parent/children, but YUI classes
[21:04] <gary_poster> I don't know which but would not be surprised if "annotation" were correct (and so you'd need to revert those parts of my diff and change the sanbox to generate "annotation" not "annotations"
[21:04] <gary_poster> )
[21:04] <gary_poster> Makyo have to run now
[21:04] <gary_poster> ttyl and thanks
[21:04] <gary_poster> bye all
[21:05] <Makyo> gary_poster, thanks, cheers.
[21:05] <hatch> rick_h_: I'm just writing a bin right now to see if I've been wrong this whole time
[21:07] <hatch> http://jsbin.com/AwaMUWI/1/
[21:07] <hatch> ^ rick_h_
[21:07] <rick_h_> hatch: looking
[21:07] <hatch> I knew I wasn't going nuts
[21:08] <hatch> I'll create one with a widget now
[21:08] <hatch> just to see
[21:08] <rick_h_> hatch: well I'd love to see why the charmworld.js one didn't work then :/
[21:09] <hatch> http://jsbin.com/AwaMUWI/2/edit
[21:09] <hatch> rick_h_: same with the widget.....now I'm confused
[21:09] <rick_h_> hatch: sec testing
[21:10] <rick_h_> hatch: yea, have to do family stuff so not sure. There's something there.
[21:11] <hatch> rick_h_: ok cool - well we should look into this to find out what's going on sometime in the future :)
[21:11] <rick_h_> hatch: agreed
[21:13] <Makyo> Going to walk dogs, back to this in a bit.
[21:23] <bac> hey benji, hate to nag but your r409 of charmworld introduced a lot lint.  weird things you wouldn't expect like wrong python indentation levels.
[21:27] <bac> benji: though i think some may be things reasonable people could  disagree with the linter
[21:31] <benji> bac: we really need to get the linter into the landing process; either start using lbox or have "make propose" and "make land" targets
[21:32] <bac> benji: or the lander?
[21:32] <benji> bac: I would say "and the lander"
[21:32] <benji> the tighter the feedback loop the better
[21:34]  * benji goes away.
[21:40] <hatch> bcsaller: do you have some time today to run through the issue I'm having with promises?
[21:40] <hatch> see if your technique, or a modification of it, can solve these issues
[21:55] <bcsaller> hatch: sure
[21:55] <bcsaller> hatch: want to talk now?
[21:55] <hatch> sure
[21:56] <hatch> calling
[22:03] <huwshimi> Morning
[22:03] <hatch> morning huwshimi
[22:06] <hatch> huwshimi: so were you able to get a direct flight for the next sprint?
[22:07] <huwshimi> hatch: I always have a flight within Australia (no international flights from my local airport) and then limited flights direct to SFO, so ended up flying via LAX again.
[22:07] <huwshimi> hatch: So, three flights :)
[22:08] <hatch> haha, that middle one is still going to be a long one :D
[22:09] <huwshimi> hatch: Yep, about 14 hours
[22:10] <hatch> lol
[22:10] <huwshimi> hatch: I think the same flight is 15 hours on the way back
[22:10] <hatch> clearly they need faster planes
[22:11] <hatch> fly to space....wait.....fly back down
[22:11] <hatch> clearly the most efficient
[22:12] <huwshimi> :)
[22:29] <hatch> jujugui looking for a review on https://codereview.appspot.com/14591044/ plz
[23:02] <huwshimi> hatch: Just wanted to check in with you and see if there's any more bundle work that needs my attention yet?
[23:02] <hatch> well my branch lands the icons but I think that layout stuff was already done
[23:02] <hatch> I'm working on the source tab now which I think should be able to keep the same styles as the charm one
[23:02] <hatch> so....
[23:03] <hatch> thats all I know of
[23:03] <hatch> maybe you could do more markup/styling of the bundle data overlay thing
[23:03] <hatch> (the white box when you click a charm in the bundle topology)
[23:03] <hatch> it needs a icon in there
[23:03] <hatch> an
[23:04] <hatch> but that's pretty trivial I think?
[23:04] <hatch> I'm not really sure how far down that rabbit hole you want to go :)
[23:05] <huwshimi> hatch: OK, I'll take a look at that icon...
[23:06] <hatch> you can see it in the two bundle mockups
[23:41] <hatch> jujugui now I'm looking for a review on https://codereview.appspot.com/14591044/ and https://codereview.appspot.com/14595045/ thanks
[23:46] <gary_poster> hatch trying to squeeze them in quickly...
[23:49] <hatch> gary_poster: haha, just gettiner-dun
[23:50] <gary_poster> awesome
[23:51] <hatch> gary_poster: for the AM, which card/bug would you like me on next?
[23:51] <gary_poster> hatch bundle visualization?
[23:51] <gary_poster> caption box stuff we were talking about
[23:52] <hatch> cool, assigned to myself and put it in starting
[23:52] <gary_poster> cool thank you
[23:54] <gary_poster> hatch, for charm icons, "conditional LGTM on filtering out the non-approved charms, per below."  trying qa now
[23:55] <hatch> oh woops
[23:56] <hatch> I should also add the ellipsis
[23:57] <gary_poster> hatch, yes qa good if you add the ellipsis.  ellipsis should only be added if charms have been omitted (because we didn't show a non-approved charm, or because we had more charms than we could show (10 is max?)
[23:58] <hatch> right, yep


[23:47] <pr0metheu5> Can I somehow give my current install more space, using gparted or such?
[23:47] <muelli> pr0metheu5: yes
[23:47] <L3top> WeThePeople: You could just format the partition, you could zero it out with dd, you could wipe it, you could shred it... I am not sure what you are trying to do or why...  I need to know why you want to "delete" windows rather than simply install over it...
[23:47] <pr0metheu5> oh, cool
[23:48] <sssilver_> muelli: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1257079/
[23:48] <ActionPa1snip> solocommand: you can put options in /etc/sysctl.conf
[23:48] <Smackbook> ah! simple: sudo apt-get remove update-manager
[23:48] <KRomeleoN> like, i have 2 amazon shortcuts and an omgubuntu shortcuts
[23:48] <KRomeleoN> how do i delete "web apps"
[23:48] <Smackbook> whodathunk
[23:48] <muelli> sssilver_: Is this your mouse? "KYE 4D device Ergomedia "
[23:48] <ActionPa1snip> !amazon | KRomeleoN
[23:48] <AnonHuman> you delete web apps
[23:49] <OerHeks> KRomeleoN, better ask in #ubuntu+1 for QQ 12.10 support.
[23:49] <sssilver_> muelli: it could be, it's a very old Genius
[23:49] <WeThePeople> l3top, how would i install over winxp, just set boot order to boot from cd and go from there?
[23:49] <sssilver_> muelli: so, KYE sounds about right
[23:49] <ActionPa1snip> KRomeleoN: If you wish not to see "More Suggestions" from places like Amazon in your Ubuntu 12.10, simply remove the package unity-lens-shopping.
[23:49] <muelli> KRomeleoN: can you not right click and remove?
[23:50] <muelli> sssilver_: so you don't know yet whether this is your device? Can you find out easily?
[23:50] <sssilver_> muelli: here's dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1257080/
[23:50] <L3top> WeThePeople: this is really straying outside of ubuntu support, but... just put in the windows dvd and do a fresh install. It will only see the first partition, just dont let it overwrite and use the whole drive.
[23:51] <jgcampbell300> anyone around
[23:51] <sssilver_> muelli: looks like that is it
[23:51] <WeThePeople> ok
[23:51] <muelli> hm sssilver_. Looks good to me: "mousedev: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice". Looks like the kernel recognises your device.
[23:51] <muelli> but your cursor on the screen doesn't move when you move the mouse, sssilver_?
[23:52] <Tigerboy> WethePeople: just simply create new partitions("something else" option during partition install)- ext4 is a good format to use and at the bottom of the window where you delete and create partitions is the boot up drive choice pulldown- that is where the boot will go.
[23:52] <sssilver_> no muelli
[23:52] <sssilver_> muelli: I tried another ancient PS/2 mouse, it didn't work either
[23:52] <solocommand> ActionPa1snip: I'm currently testing with the TCP_NODELAY socket option in the smb config; I could put it in the sysctl conf but if it's not a valid variable for sysctl, I doubt it will do anything :/
[23:52] <sssilver_> muelli: my old Compaq mouse
[23:52] <KRomeleoN> im on gnome 3.4
[23:52] <KRomeleoN> 3.6 rather
[23:52] <Tigerboy> Wethepeople: be sure to format all the partitions you need at least root / and swap -- good idea to have a separate /home and /tmp
[23:52] <KRomeleoN> ccannot right click and remove
[23:52] <jgcampbell300> question = i have 2 servers im building dell 2950 ... my question is why would i need two network controlers ... just wondering ... i have quite a few ideas what i could do with the second one but i am wondering what the second one was intended for ... any ideas
[23:52] <Cyberspaceloa> L3top: I have a question. It seems like the common advice is to leave unused space for ubuntu in setting up a dual boot machine
[23:53] <zykotick9> sssilver_: to copy from xterm/urxvt term i highlight the text i want to copy, and leaving it highlighted i click my scroll wheel to paste.
[23:53] <muelli> sssilver_: hm. Can you pastebin "ls /dev/input"?
[23:53] <Cyberspaceloa> L3top: However, the automated tool that comes with the vanilla distro refuses to detect unused hard drive space
[23:53] <L3top> Cyberspaceloa: in general no... he already has a windows AND an ubuntu install, and must do the required every X months windows reinstall.
[23:53] <jagginess> Cyberspaceloa, that's fine, (when doing the partition part of the ubuntu install, you'll have to choose manual-- 2 new partitions-- 1 ext4 for "/" and 1 for swap)
[23:53] <dr_willis> Cyberspaceloa:  it sees 'unallocated' space last time i tried it.
[23:53] <sssilver_> muelli: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1257089/
[23:54] <Cyberspaceloa> dr_willis: does it really? That's interesting
[23:54] <L3top> Cyberspaceloa: so in his circumstance, he needs to leave his existing install alone. Generally it is easier just to use the whole drive for windows and resize from ubuntu install.
[23:54] <dr_willis> Cyberspaceloa:  but i tend to manually configure such things for total controll. :) plus i tend to have linux totally on its own hard drive.
[23:54] <muelli> hm sssilver_. I would have expected "mouse0" to show up. Can you "cat /dev/input/mice", move the mouse and tell us whether you see anything funny in the terminal..?
[23:54] <jagginess> Cyberspaceloa, please don't invent um.. "vanilla distro". That sounds outright silly what you mean here
[23:54] <Cyberspaceloa> dr_willis: I'm the same way, myself. That's why I was surprised at the problems some have been having
[23:54] <muelli> sssilver_: maybe sudo it.
[23:54] <dr_willis> Cyberspaceloa:  ive resized windows and left half the HD unallocated many a time and the installer would use  the unallocated space. making a swap and a /
[23:55] <sssilver_> muelli: maybe tail -f ?
[23:55] <Cyberspaceloa> jagginess: it generally refers to the default tools and packages installation. I didn't "invent" the term.
[23:55] <muelli> sssilver_: nah. better cat. It's more raw -.-
[23:55] <dr_willis> Cyberspaceloa:  part of the issue can be that new windows installs may use 4 primary partions.. and thus  limit any options
[23:55] <jagginess> Cyberspaceloa, gparted live cd also does a nice job of resizing ntfs non-destructively
[23:55] <L3top> dr_willis: how about fresh large capacity drives? I have always probs with them and gparted
[23:55] <muelli> sssilver_: you can "reset" your terminal if it's messed up afterwards. Let's hope it will be, because that'd be a good sign!
[23:55] <L3top> dr_willis: fresh = new never partitioned
[23:55] <sssilver_> muelli: nothing
[23:55] <jagginess> Cyberspaceloa, you did.. there's no such thing as a vanilla distro, but there is a "base system" for every linux that's more or less the same (bash, etc)
[23:56] <sssilver_> muelli: blankness, I pushed all the buttons on it too
[23:56] <dr_willis> L3top:  Had no real issues with new 3TB i bought the other day. I think gparted insisted i use GPT for it.
[23:56] <muelli> sssilver_: hm. weird then. Just to double check: You do move the mouse while the "cat" is running, right?
[23:56] <Cyberspaceloa> jagginess:I'm not speaking of the GNU tools and kernel, obviously
[23:56] <sssilver_> muelli: sure
[23:56] <jagginess> Cyberspaceloa, it's not obvious. What are you talking about then?
[23:56] <jagginess> -_-
[23:57] <sssilver_> thanks so much for staying with me on this by the way, muelli
[23:57] <L3top> good news dr_willis. Thanks. I am afk for 20 min if wethepeople comes calling
[23:57] <muelli> sssilver_: Hm. I am running out of ideas then. Your kernel seems to recognize the mouse fine. It seems to me as if the mouse would just not report anything back to your computer. But it's weird, because mice are not too complicated...
[23:57] <jagginess> dr_willis, gpt definitely for 3 tb drive
[23:57] <Cyberspaceloa> dr_willis, L3top: thanks for responding. I haven't dual booted in a long time. If I pitch in here I just want to be informed
[23:57] <sssilver_> muelli: it's not even a laser mouse
[23:58] <muelli> sssilver_: there is one thing though in your dmesg: "i8042: PNP: PS/2 appears to have AUX port disabled, if this is incorrect please boot with i8042.nopnp"
[23:58] <dr_willis> Cyberspaceloa:  best $100 i ever spent was for a 128GB SSD for my Linux side of this dual boot system. ;)
[23:58] <jgcampbell300> lol must have been a pretty dumb question ...
[23:58] <muelli> sssilver_: try to boot with that boot option. Do you know how to do that?
[23:58] <sssilver_> muelli: edit grub.conf?
[23:58] <sssilver_> muelli: or the ubuntu people use higher level tools?
[23:58] <muelli> sssilver_: hm. yeah, but doing it during boot is probably simpler and less invading.
[23:58] <zykotick9> sssilver_: grub.conf no.  /etc/default/grub maybe?
[23:59] <dr_willis> sssilver_:  you would add it to the proper line in /etc/default/grub   or test by typing it into the grub menu  for a one time test.
[23:59] <sssilver_> zykotick9: where I come from, it'd be /boot/grub/grub.conf :))
[23:59] <zykotick9> sssilver_: if you come from grub1 that makes sense.
[23:59] <dr_willis> you do not edit grub.conf directly on ubuntu.
[23:59] <Cyberspaceloa> jagginess: http://askubuntu.com/questions/95785/what-is-vanilla-ubuntu


[00:05] <nacc> powersj: if possible, could you look at the health of the jenkins? i'm having some of the snapcraft cleanbuild jobs randomly die
[00:06] <nacc> powersj: nm, answerd in #snappy
[06:10] <lordievader> Good morning
[12:08] <coreycb> jamespage: i'm adding a liblasso3.symbols file to lasso for the MIR
[12:08] <coreycb> jamespage: first time creating one. for the versions i only went back to precise, mainly because that's all i could access. does that make sense?
[12:09] <coreycb> jamespage: following this: https://wiki.debian.org/UsingSymbolsFiles
[12:32] <ahasenack> good morning
[12:33] <RoyK> good localtime() ;)
[12:36] <ahasenack> the best
[13:47] <smoser> rbasak: https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/ubuntu/+source/ssh-import-id/+git/ssh-import-id/+merge/342231
[13:47] <smoser> that was fixed... can you re-review ? if you had anything else.
[13:51] <ahasenack> why does ubuntu-server (the metapackage) pull in open-iscsi, does anybody know?
[13:54] <RoyK> ahasenack: doubt it
[13:54] <RoyK> ahasenack: better install the package yourself (or add it to the ansible playbook of choice)
[13:54] <compdoc> never noticed open-iscsi installed on my servers
[14:02] <ahasenack> compdoc: at least in bionic, the ubuntu-server package pulls open-iscsi in
[14:04] <sdeziel> it's also pulled in Xenial
[14:05] <sdeziel> ahasenack: my guess would be to simplify boot from iSCSI root
[14:05] <compdoc> iscsiadm is installed :/
[15:11] <eraserpencil> Hi! I am asking question about hosting a site on an ubuntu server. Is this the correct place?
[15:15] <sdeziel> eraserpencil: yes
[15:19] <eraserpencil> So I have a domain name from namecheap, a VPS on linode, name servers are set correctly (tested by going to www.mydomain.com and seeing the default "welcome to nginx page"
[15:19] <eraserpencil> I got round to getting Pelican SSG, I've copied all the .html file, css and images files over to the /var/mydomain/html/ on my VPS.
[15:19] <eraserpencil> But I'm not seeing any changes
[15:19] <eraserpencil> Is this something got to do with waiting for it to get indexed?
[15:20] <sdeziel> eraserpencil: is your nginx vhost configured to use /var/mydomain/html/ as its "root" ?
[15:21] <eraserpencil> how could i check?
[15:22] <sdeziel> vhost/site definitions are in /etc/nginx/sites-enabled/
[15:25] <eraserpencil> ahhh
[15:26] <eraserpencil> is that what is meant by root?
[15:26] <eraserpencil> yes
[15:26] <sdeziel> no, by root I meant https://nginx.org/en/docs/http/ngx_http_core_module.html#root
[15:27] <sdeziel> which in your case should be "root /var/mydomain/html;" assuming you want to serve stuff out of that dir
[15:28] <eraserpencil> ahhh
[15:28] <eraserpencil> I have it commented out
[15:31] <eraserpencil> but are changes instant?
[15:31] <eraserpencil> if i changed the html code
[15:32] <sdeziel> eraserpencil: when you changes files served by nginx it's immediate
[15:32] <sdeziel> but when you change nginx configs, they are not picked up automatically, you need to reload nginx for that (sudo service nginx configtest && sudo service nginx reload)
[15:33] <eraserpencil> kk thanks.. that means something is broken
[18:24] <ahasenack> nacc: hi, do you know something about tomcat in bionic? In particular, why do we seem to have tomcat8.0 and tomcat8?
[18:25] <ahasenack> and tomcat8 (not 8.0) seems to have many more binary packages
[18:41] <nacc> ahasenack: 8.0 is probably referring to 8.0.x versus 8 is at 8.5?
[18:41] <nacc> ahasenack: i'm not sure, though, let m elook
[18:42] <nacc> ahasenack: also, the 8.0 may be purely for libs that other packages need that aren't compatible with 8.5?
[18:42] <ahasenack> it's what I'm thinking
[18:42] <ahasenack> that 8.0 is for legacy stuff
[18:43] <nacc> ahasenack: we did have a tough time transitioning to 8.5, for freeipa and dogtag-pki, iirc
[18:44] <nacc> ahasenack: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/b
[18:44] <nacc> bah
[18:44] <nacc> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=876115
[18:44] <ahasenack> yeah, freeipa is what I'm looking at now, and that led me to tomcat8x
[18:45] <ahasenack> that's good info, thanks
[18:45] <ahasenack> I think it's also incompatible with java9, according to an error message I saw
[18:45] <ahasenack> I'll try with java8
[18:46] <nacc> ahasenack: yeah, i'd believe that
[19:03] <nacc> powersj: so i'm thinmking to test the snapcraft fix (pending), could we add a PPA to the xenial VM spawned?
[19:05] <powersj> nacc: here's the script I run https://github.com/canonical-server/test-scripts/blob/master/git-ubuntu/vm_setup
[19:05] <powersj> You can give it a spin locally
[19:07] <nacc> powersj: thanks
[19:22] <nacc> rbasak: fyi, found a bug in source_builer, i'll push it separately
[19:25] <nacc> rbasak: hey and first import parenting test bumped us to 40% coverage on importer.py :)
[21:36] <nacc> rbasak: up to 43% coverage of importer.py :)
[21:37] <nacc> rbasak: it's amazing how easy it is to write tests now!
[21:38] <nacc> powersj: each jenkins job gets a fresh VM right?
[21:38] <powersj> nacc: yes
[21:38] <nacc> powersj: ack, ok
[21:39] <nacc> powersj: we might be hitting a nuance of cleanbuild, per the latest analysis, which we might be able to avoid using (since we are going to start a fresh VM, we don't tehcnically need to spawn the lxd in it, i don't think)
[21:39] <nacc> powersj: just an FYI, it's still being analyzed by snapcraft folk
[21:40] <powersj> ok :) thanks for update
[21:40] <powersj> where is this discussion happening?
[21:41] <nacc> powersj: PM currently with kyrofa, but there is a pending PR on github
[21:41] <powersj> ok
[22:09] <ProCycle> I'm messing around with self-signing SSL keys and noticed that in /etc/ssl/certs everything in there is world writeable (the CA certs)
[22:10] <sarnold> the symlinks? or the actual files?
[22:10] <ProCycle> Why is it like that? isn't that a security risk? (other people can replace ca keys with thier own
[22:10] <ProCycle> I guess they're all symlinks
[22:11] <ProCycle> I'm trying to figure out where I put my internal CA key and the certificate. I've already got the private key in /etc/ssl/private
[22:14] <ProCycle> Oh I see it now. There's so many results in there it makes it hard to find the actual files. ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem is read only except for the owner
[22:15] <sarnold> you can try e.g. find /etc/ssl -type f -ls   to see just the files
[22:15] <ProCycle> I don't know how symlinks work, do they actually have permissions or is ls -l just displaying it that way because they're symlinks?
[22:17] <sarnold> linux doesn't care about the permissions on symlinks
[22:17] <sarnold> chmod(2) doesn't even have a way to change them
[22:18] <sarnold> they can still get non-777 modes via other filesystems, fuse, etc., but I don't think linux even follows the permissions when they're set that way.
[22:18] <ProCycle> So whatever the actual file has is what the effective permissions are on the symlink
[22:18] <sarnold> there's some nuance that the YAMA security module influences if symlinks are followed or not
[22:19] <ProCycle> And to create symlinks you'd need write perms to the directory right?
[22:20] <sarnold> yes
[22:20] <ProCycle> makes sense, thanks for the clarification
[22:20] <sarnold> thanks for double-checking :D
[22:22] <ProCycle> I'm writing a guide for internal nginx servers with internal CA signed certs so I want to make sure I get things right
[22:22] <sarnold> nice
[22:23] <ProCycle> shame there's no certbot for internal CAs, would make things so much easier
[23:10] <nacc> rbasak: fyi, just force-pushed import-tests, which is now a little better organized and more unit tests (still not at a 100% for added code, but 30% bump in importer.py coverage is pretty good :)


[00:00] <pleia2> Hi everyone, just rounding up quorum for the americas meeting and then we'll get started
[00:04] <pleia2> yay Pendulum!
[00:05] <Pendulum> sorry! not on my own laptop, but here now :)
[00:05] <maco> hell
[00:05] <maco> o
[00:05] <maco> s/\n//
[00:05] <pleia2> #startmeeting
[00:05] <MootBot> Meeting started at 19:05. The chair is pleia2.
[00:05] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[00:05] <pleia2> Hello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board for the Americas meeting for July 21st, 2011. The wiki page for the Review Board is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/Americas
[00:06] <pleia2> The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).
[00:06] <pleia2> Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.
[00:06] <pleia2> During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.
[00:06] <pleia2> When the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If the sum of those numbers is positive, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (feel free congratulate them!)
[00:06] <pleia2> Now, with any further ado, lets get started with the first applicant...
[00:07] <pleia2> looks like tenach isn't here
[00:07] <pleia2> mizuno: are you around?
[00:07] <mizuno> Hi
[00:07] <pleia2> [TOPIC] mizuno membership
[00:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  mizuno membership
[00:07] <greg-g> welcome, mizuno, please introduce yourself
[00:08] <mizuno> I'm a member of Japanese LoCo Team.
[00:08] <greg-g> mizuno: so, all of those magazine issues, did you write an article for them?
[00:09] <greg-g> (I must admit, I do not read Japanese :) )
[00:09] <mizuno> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HajimeMizuno
[00:10] <mizuno> greg-g: yes
[00:10] <mizuno> I organize various events for Ubuntu in Japan.I want to make ubuntu known more in Japan.
[00:10] <jkbys> He wrote one or more articles for magazines listed on his page.
[00:10] <pleia2> wow, this is a very good wiki page!
[00:11] <greg-g> wow, that is great! I'm impressed just by how much you have written!
[00:12] <mizuno> pleia2: thank you
[00:12] <pleia2> great testimonials
[00:14] <pleia2> well, you've clearly done amazing work and it's very well-documented so I don't have any questions!
[00:14] <pleia2> [VOTE] mizuno membership
[00:14] <MootBot> Please vote on:  mizuno membership.
[00:14] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[00:14] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[00:14] <greg-g> +1
[00:14] <MootBot> +1 received from greg-g. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[00:14] <pleia2> +1
[00:14] <MootBot> +1 received from pleia2. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[00:14] <Pendulum> +1
[00:14] <MootBot> +1 received from Pendulum. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[00:14]  * greg-g pokes maco
[00:14] <maco> wah too fast
[00:15] <maco> woah
[00:15] <maco> +1
[00:15] <MootBot> +1 received from maco. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[00:15] <pleia2> [endvote]
[00:15] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[00:15] <pleia2> congrats and welcome, mizuno!
[00:15] <greg-g> congrats and welcome, mizuno !
[00:15] <k1l> gratz mizuno :)
[00:15] <jkbys> congrats, mizuno
[00:15] <mizuno> Thank you!
[00:15] <maco>  すごい
[00:15] <Pendulum> mizuno: congrats! great job!
[00:16] <pleia2> k1l: are you here?
[00:16] <k1l> o/
[00:16] <pleia2> [TOPIC] k1l membership
[00:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  k1l membership
[00:17] <k1l> Hi everyone, my name ist Achim Behrens, i am 26 and from Cologne/Germany. I am studying sports sience, row in the first german rowing league and i am the junior coach at my club.
[00:17] <k1l> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/k1l and https://launchpad.net/~k1l
[00:18] <k1l> after a false start with linux (graphic card drivers related on opensuse) i tried breezy some time lateron with a new machine and since then i am using it first in dualboot and after that on daily use.
[00:18] <k1l> i got to know the german support and offtopic channel and started to help users where i could give a hand. in 2008 the german op team asked me to join their team. today i am one of 2 ops who are still active since then and was granted superop rights from the teamleader to setup flags and stuff for new ops etc.
[00:18] <k1l> maybe someone knows me from #ubuntu-irc and i hope not from some complaints :)
[00:19] <k1l> besides that i tried to help with some german translations in rosetta after i found myself a very strange one in a released ubuntu, but as you can see on my karma there wasnt much spare time last year.
[00:19] <greg-g> :)
[00:20] <pleia2> k1l: I don't see any testimonials on your wiki page, did anyone from your team happen to come to this meeting tonight to speak about your work?
[00:20] <k1l> actually we are trying to reinforce our operators team since we had some dropouts.
[00:20] <greg-g> k1l: have you thought about going through IRC Council for membership? since that's your community?
[00:20] <k1l> pleia2: actually its 2am in germany :/ but i didnt know that this is necessary
[00:21] <k1l> greg-g: yep i asked one of them but they said that the #ubuntu-de channels are no core channels i should ask at a regular member board
[00:21] <pleia2> k1l: well it's hard for us to do an analysis of work on irc (or forums, or the like) because we're not involved with that community and don't speak german, so in these cases testimonals are important
[00:21] <greg-g> ( the IRC Council wiki page, just for the record: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil )
[00:22] <greg-g> k1l: oh, interesting.
[00:22] <pleia2> I don't think that's correct, it should be IRC contributions anywhere :\
[00:22] <pleia2> "There are many additional methods of contributing to the Ubuntu IRC community (which includes all channels in the Ubuntu project namespace, not just core channels)"
[00:22] <pleia2> from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Membership
[00:22] <pleia2> k1l: do you remember who you spoke to?
[00:23] <k1l> pleia2: afaik they granted only one member membership status so far.
[00:23] <greg-g> interesting
[00:24] <pleia2> yeah, but that's because no one has been applying
[00:24] <pleia2> k1l: I'd suggest getting some testimonials and talking to them again (you can let me know if you run into trouble)
[00:24] <maco> or at least the "get testimonials" part
[00:24]  * greg-g nods
[00:25] <k1l> picci and topyli were the guys
[00:25] <maco> its totally fine for them to be in german, by the way
[00:25] <greg-g> getting people to leave messages on your wiki page is really helpful.
[00:25] <maco> we've all got google translate :)
[00:25] <pleia2> Pici isn't an IRCC member anymore, I'll talk to topyli to make sure we're all on the same page with this
[00:26] <pleia2> (I suspect it's just a misunderstanding :))
[00:26]  * greg-g nods
[00:27] <k1l> ok, didnt know testimonial are that important because i contributed since a longer periode and have access list right in the channels because the teamleader isnt that active at this time.
[00:27] <pleia2> k1l: I'm sure you do great work, we just need some kind of confirmation from your community :)
[00:27] <maco> k1l: and the testimonials DONT have to be from existing ubuntu members
[00:28] <maco> anyone who's seen you being helpful and getting along well with everyone is fine
[00:28] <k1l> pleia2: ok, than i will try my best at a ircc meeting
[00:29] <pleia2> k1l: thanks! and feel free to let me know if you have any questions or have any trouble :)
[00:29] <pleia2> (any of us can help really)
[00:29] <greg-g> k1l: good luck, and thanks for all of your work! Come back as soon as you can!
[00:29] <k1l> maco: ok didnt know that. the german community has a own userbase ( ubuntuusers.de ) and im not used to the behaviour on the wiki.ubuntu.com
[00:30] <maco> k1l: all you need to edit wiki.ubuntu.com is a launchpad account
[00:30] <k1l> allright. thank you for your time.
[00:31] <greg-g> thank you.
[00:31] <pleia2> thanks everyone, that's it for this evening!
[00:31] <greg-g> take care!
[00:32] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[00:32] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 19:32.
[01:46] <gumara> Ah, Finally I'm here - -"
[15:01] <Daviey> o/
[15:02] <pitti> \o
[15:02] <jdstrand> hi
[15:02] <jibel> \o
[15:02]  * mounir made it
[15:02]  * rsalveti waves
[15:02] <rsalveti> mounir: great :-)
[15:02] <rsalveti> mounir: have it all to do it this time?
[15:02] <rsalveti> I can help if you need
[15:03] <mounir> rsalveti: real good to know you are here :)
[15:03]  * skaet waves
[15:03]  * joshuahoover waves
[15:03] <skaet> #startmeeting
[15:03] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:03. The chair is skaet.
[15:03] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[15:04] <skaet> [Topic] Oneiric Release Meeting overview - skaet_
[15:04] <skaet> .
[15:04] <skaet> Agenda is at:
[15:04] <skaet> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-07-22
[15:04] <skaet> .
[15:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Oneiric Release Meeting overview - skaet_
[15:04] <skaet> Many thanks to everyone to helped get 10.04.3 developed, built and tested!
[15:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-07-22
[15:04] <skaet> It was released yesterday.   For details see:
[15:04] <skaet> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/ReleaseNotes/ChangeSummary/10.04.3
[15:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/ReleaseNotes/ChangeSummary/10.04.3
[15:04] <skaet> There will be a feedback session after this meeting, so anyone who wants to participate please stay around, and I'll post the meeting info if there's quorum.   If you ideas about areas to improve feel free to add them to:
[15:04] <skaet> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/10.04.3/Feedback
[15:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/10.04.3/Feedback
[15:04] <skaet> .
[15:04] <infinity> o/
[15:04] <skaet> Events Approaching:
[15:04] <skaet> - 11.10 Alpha 3: August 4, 2011
[15:04] <skaet> - 11.10 FeatureFreeze : August 11, 2011
[15:04] <skaet> .
[15:04] <skaet> Bugs targetted for this release can be found:
[15:04] <skaet> [LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+bugs
[15:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+bugs
[15:04] <skaet> Bugs milestoned for oneiric alpha 3 are at:
[15:04] <skaet> [LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=39142
[15:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=39142
[15:04] <skaet> Please see the agenda are links to versions without the FTBFS in them,  which improves the signal to noise ratio.  ;)
[15:04] <skaet> .
[15:04] <skaet> Reminder:   please use ".." on separate line when you've finished typing.   If someone wants to comment during the updates, please "o/", so we know to wait.
[15:04] <skaet> questions?
[15:04] <skaet> ..
[15:04] <skaet> infinity, go,  I think the MootBot's caught up now.
[15:05] <Daviey> Do we have a soft-freeze date for A3?
[15:05] <skaet> or was infiinity just saying hello?  :)
[15:05] <infinity> Soft freeze would be Monday before A3?
[15:06] <skaet> Daviey,  infinity,  yes soft freeze will be Monday before,  like usual.
[15:06] <Daviey> thanks.
[15:06] <infinity> That may have been me saying hi. :P
[15:07] <skaet> heh,  no worries infinity.   Just didn't want to pass over if you did have a question.  :)
[15:07] <skaet> any other questions?
[15:07] <skaet> if not,  lets head into the round table
[15:08] <skaet> [TOPIC] QA team update -  jibel
[15:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA team update -  jibel
[15:08] <jibel> hi all
[15:08] <skaet> :)
[15:08] <jibel> * 10.04.3 Testing:
[15:08] <jibel>  * Testing report will be published early next week.
[15:08] <jibel>  * Critical/High importance issues found:
[15:08] <jibel> bug 588861
[15:08] <jibel> bug 650703
[15:09] <jibel> bug 813837
[15:09] <jibel> 588861 is a regression, 650703 was fixed in natty but not SRUed to Lucid, 813837 is under investigation
[15:10] <jibel> * Automated Testing progress
[15:10] <jibel>   * Server upgrade tests moved to QA Lab
[15:10] <jibel>   * Some progress on moving Kernel SRU testing to the QA Lab.
[15:10] <jibel> * nVidia Proprietary Driver testing:
[15:10] <jibel>   * leak identified when compiz is used with nvidia binary driver (bug 813365)
[15:10] <jibel> * Bug activity for the past week
[15:10] <jibel>   * 636 new bugs reported during last week against Oneiric (-12% over last week)
[15:10] <jibel>   * 70% are crashes (+4.8%) and 47% are duplicates (-15%)
[15:10] <jibel>   * Most duplicated and still opened reports are:
[15:10] <jibel> bug 804896 and bug 804221 in gnome-settings-daemon
[15:11] <jibel> bug 807950
[15:11] <jibel> bug 797078
[15:11] <jibel>   * Top 5 packages with bugs during last week (dups excluded)
[15:11] <jibel> unity, compiz, gwibber, gnome-control-center, lightdm
[15:11] <jibel> ..
[15:11] <skaet> Thanks jibel!
[15:12] <jibel> any question ?
[15:12] <skaet> Excellent work coordinating the 10.04.3 testing this week.  Thank you.  :)
[15:12] <skaet> heh its not a question,  just wanted to say thank you.   :)
[15:13] <jibel> Thanks for coordinating the release :)
[15:13] <skaet> i'll digest the list and cross reference after meeting.
[15:13] <skaet> not seeing other questions so moving on.
[15:13] <skaet> [TOPIC] Hardware Certification team update - mlegris
[15:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Hardware Certification team update - mlegris
[15:13] <mlegris> Hi all! o/
[15:13] <mlegris> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/hw-testing/week29_2011.html
[15:13] <skaet> :)
[15:13] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/hw-testing/week29_2011.html
[15:13] <mlegris> Bugs:
[15:14] <mlegris> *  Bug #810145 - unity-panel-service crashes*  Bug #708286 - Resume after suspend not working - Toshiba Tecra R700R
[15:14] <mlegris> * 10.04.3
[15:14] <mlegris> Testing currently in progress, should be completed EOD
[15:14] <mlegris> ..
[15:14] <skaet> Thanks mlegris!  :)
[15:15] <skaet> In terms of the hardware cert for oneiric,   those 2-3 failures,  are still script failures?  or something else?
[15:15]  * skaet notes that the server side is looking much better for failures than desktop/laptop :)
[15:16] <Daviey> accidental.
[15:16] <skaet> lol
[15:16] <mlegris> correct, we're still working on our test script to reduce the false negatives
[15:16] <skaet> coolio.  thanks mlegris
[15:16] <skaet> any other questions?
[15:16] <skaet> [TOPIC] Security team update - jdstrand
[15:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security team update - jdstrand
[15:16] <jdstrand> hi
[15:17] <skaet> :)
[15:17] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
[15:17] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
[15:17] <jdstrand> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/canonical-security.html
[15:17] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/canonical-security.html
[15:17] <jdstrand> We are below the trend line for our assigned work items in our blueprints. Fixed a few ufw bugs and enabled ipv6 in ufw by default. We are trying to balance reactive security with work items at this time, and are getting to our remaining work items as time allows. We are hopeful several apparmor work items that our team is responsible for will be completed in the coming weeks.
[15:17] <jdstrand> Looking at the list of oneiric bugs (thanks for -ftbfs! :), I don't see anything else worth highlighting.
[15:17] <jdstrand> ..
[15:17] <skaet> Thanks jdstrand!  :)
[15:17]  * skaet likes -ftbfs as well...
[15:17] <skaet> any questions?
[15:18] <skaet> [TOPIC] Kernel team update - ogasawara
[15:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel team update - ogasawara
[15:18] <ogasawara> Overall status is reported at the first link below.  Burn down for oneiric-alpha-3 is at the second link below.  Burndown for the cycle is at the third link:
[15:18] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
[15:18] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-kernel-team-oneiric-alpha-3.html
[15:18] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-kernel-team.svg
[15:18] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
[15:18] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-kernel-team-oneiric-alpha-3.html
[15:18] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-kernel-team.svg
[15:18] <ogasawara> We uploaded the Ubuntu 3.0.0-6.7 kernel earlier this week and have just rebased to the final v3.0 kernel this morning.  We plan to upload shortly after testing and applying some overlayfs patches.  We are trending slightly above the Alpha3 burn down line but are below in our overall burndown.  The remaining Alpha3 work items are not release critical.
[15:18] <ogasawara> Of the bugs called out on the agenda against the kernel, status is as follows:
[15:19] <ogasawara> #542660: looks to be related to EFI boot not loading the video bios into ram.
[15:19] <ogasawara> #557261: still no confirmation with a 3.0 kernel and not convinced the warning output by the radeon driver is the root cause of the usb-creator persistence issue.  Bug reporter has followed up in the upstream bug report regarding the driver warning, but no response back yet.
[15:19] <ogasawara> #754711: on a 3.0 oneiric kernel, system now suspends but doesn't resume.  would like to use cking's systemtap scripts to debug, if and when they are working on oneiric.
[15:19] <ogasawara> #758486: awaiting additional debug information.
[15:19] <ogasawara> #760131: partly fixed in Oneiric and soon natty, more analysis ongoing upstream.
[15:19] <ogasawara> #784937: seems that names of disk devices have changed, investigation by kernel dev still ongoing as well as discussion with upstream.
[15:19] <ogasawara> #790712: the order 5 allocation seems to be bogus and non-fatal; further investigation ongoing.
[15:19] <ogasawara> #791850: seems to be triggered by an amazon side change which amazon is investigating; awaiting feedback.
[15:19] <ogasawara> Questions?
[15:19] <ogasawara> ..
[15:19] <skaet> Thanks ogasawara. :)
[15:19]  * skaet still reading
[15:21] <skaet> appreciate the detail :)  no questions for now.    and not seeing any others,  so moving on...
[15:21] <Martyn> osagawara : Is the 3.0 final package available for install?
[15:21] <ogasawara> Martyn: not yet, hopefully uploaded by EOD and packages finished building by tomorrow-ish
[15:21]  * skaet looks around for others.... just in case
[15:22] <skaet> [TOPIC] Foundations team update - doko_
[15:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  Foundations team update - doko_
[15:22] <Martyn> ok.  I'll regress the 542660 on my iMac
[15:22] <doko_> - ongoing work on getting python-support from the CD's
[15:22] <doko_> - preparations for a 5000 bug triage (all upgrade related reports)
[15:22] <doko_> - ongoing work on software center and unattended upgrades
[15:22] <doko_> - work on dbus and upstart related issues.
[15:22] <doko_> - Starting back in on the GRUB menu enhancements required to use it on the CD
[15:22] <doko_> - GCC/Linaro July release uploaded to oneiric.
[15:22] <doko_> - ongoing Wubi work
[15:22] <doko_> - many people at Debconf this week and the next week
[15:22] <doko_> - the "noise" is down under 700 reports
[15:22] <doko_> sorry, not that formal this week ...
[15:23] <skaet> ..?
[15:24]  * skaet just wondering if you're done, and I can ask some questions...
[15:24] <doko_> yes, done
[15:24] <skaet> Thanks doko_ :),
[15:24] <skaet> Did the gcc linaro branch get cut?
[15:25] <doko_> I didn't check
[15:25] <skaet> ok,  lets see if rsalveti has an update a bit later on that.
[15:26] <mounir> skaet: gcc linaro 4.5, 4.6 and qemu have been released if that is what you are asking
[15:26] <skaet> mounir, no,  michael is going to be making a branch from here on,  I believe,  so we only get bug fixes from now to end of release.   Just wanted to check it happened.
[15:27] <skaet> doko_, anything about to land from foundations before alpha3 that could be problematic for othere?
[15:27] <skaet> others even ;)
[15:27] <rsalveti> skaet: this latest upload already incorporate linaro gcc4.6, so now we just need to follow how these stable releases are going to work for next months
[15:28] <doko_> not that I am aware of. the gcc-4.6 on armel is still building however
[15:28] <skaet> thanks doko_!
[15:28] <skaet> any other questions?
[15:28] <skaet> rsalveti,  yup its the stable "releases" from the branch, I just want to make sure we're all coordinated on.  :)
[15:29] <skaet> [TOPIC] ARM team update - infinity
[15:29] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM team update - infinity
[15:29] <infinity> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARMTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
[15:29] <infinity> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/canonical-arm.html
[15:29] <infinity> To be fair, I was told only last night that I was filling in for ogra and NCommander in the meeting, so I can't speak to the team's overall progress here as well as I'd like.
[15:29] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARMTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
[15:29] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/canonical-arm.html
[15:29] <infinity> We've been knocking off WIs though, especially in the QA and Server validation areas, ubuntu-core landed (and seems to DTRT), and preinstall package pools will make it for A3 (I have a working implementation here, except that it still requires me to fiddle with cdimage to enable mangling of the images to sign the preinstalled pool).
[15:30] <infinity> ...
[15:30] <skaet> Thanks infinity!
[15:30] <skaet> do we have working OMAP3 images yet?  or is that still broken?
[15:31] <infinity> I'd have to ask GrueMaster, I'm not sure, since I have no OMAP3 hardware... ;)
[15:31] <infinity> (Note the lack of preparedness for the meeting)
[15:32] <skaet> lol
[15:32] <skaet> understood.   and thanks for steping in.  :)
[15:32] <skaet> any other questions?
[15:32] <skaet> [TOPIC] Server team update - Daviey
[15:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  Server team update - Daviey
[15:32] <Daviey> o/
[15:33] <Daviey> Hello..
[15:33] <Daviey> == Feature Development ==
[15:33] <Daviey> This week has mostly been about consolidating work that has happend since the platform rally.  We've largely been working on bugs associated with features, many of which were uncovered recently.
[15:33] <Daviey> Cycle Overview:
[15:33] <Daviey> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-server-overview.html
[15:33] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-server-overview.html
[15:33] <Daviey> Areas of concern:
[15:33] <Daviey> server-o-lxc-improvements - This is expected to get significant attention in an LXC sprint Canonical are running starting in two weeks.
[15:33] <Daviey> server-o-boot-experience - Spamaps has been working on this during the week, suspect the work will roll into next week.
[15:33] <Daviey> == Bugs pertinent to Oneiric Server release ==
[15:33] <Daviey> http://people.canonical.com/~davewalker/release-bugs.html
[15:33] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~davewalker/release-bugs.html
[15:33] <Daviey> This includes bugs we are working on, bugs other teams are working on that we are watching and the MIR's we need.
[15:33] <Daviey> * If there are bugs missing on that list, please raise it with me asap. *
[15:33] <Daviey> Bugs to note:
[15:33] <Daviey> Bug-791850 in linux (Ubuntu): "oneiric cluster compute instances do not boot" -- Currently assigned to utlemming whilst he tries to find out some further information from Amazon, but will most likely need to be handed over to the kernel team.
[15:33] <Daviey> Bug-813295 in python2.7 (Ubuntu): "urlib.request fails to open Eucalyptus metadata service" -- Seems to be a bug in upstream python, barry has been assisting in a resolution. (it's expected that it will affect other apps).
[15:33] <Daviey> Bug-578536 in autofs5 (Ubuntu): "when stopped, automount orphans some mounts" -- Emailed upstream asking for clarification of the resolution, and as yet waiting for a response.  Suspect will need to bisect.
[15:33] <Daviey> <-- Cobbler bugs -->: RoAkSox is currently working to address them.
[15:33] <Daviey> ...
[15:34] <skaet> Thanks Daviey
[15:34] <Daviey> questions?
[15:34] <skaet> will look at your release bugs list after the meeting in more detail  :)
[15:34] <barry> still no resolution in the upstream bug, but i'm still tracking it
[15:35] <Daviey> barry: thanks!
[15:35] <skaet> Daviey,  what is going to be landing between now and A3 freeze?
[15:35] <Daviey> skaet: TBH, it largely depends how quickly we can get some of the feature issues resolved.
[15:36] <skaet> ok,  just a reminder then that feature freeze is one week after  ;)
[15:36] <skaet> any other questions
[15:36] <skaet> ?
[15:37] <skaet> [TOPIC] Linaro update - rsalvetti
[15:37] <MootBot> New Topic:  Linaro update - rsalvetti
[15:37] <rsalveti> mounir: want to go?
[15:37] <skaet> or mounir. :)
[15:37] <rsalveti> if not I also have enough to report :-)
[15:37] <mounir> rsalveti, it does not matter to me - please go ahead
[15:37] <rsalveti> ok, let me paste
[15:37] <rsalveti> - Linux Linaro 3.0 released for 11.07, packages will be updated in the next few days
[15:37] <rsalveti> - Gcc 4.6 and 4.5 also released: https://launchpad.net/gcc-linaro/+milestone/4.6-2011.07, and gcc-4.6 was already updated by doko reflecting the release
[15:37] <rsalveti> - Qemu also released: https://launchpad.net/qemu-linaro/+milestone/2011.07, slangasek will follow with the usual packaging for qemu-linaro
[15:37] <rsalveti> - Work still on going to release Linaro U-Boot for 11.07, as the idea is to release it with SPL support (to replace x-loader on omap)
[15:37] <rsalveti> - Unfortunately still no update for bug 775849, will push that to see if we can get something at least for alpha 3
[15:38] <rsalveti> skaet: michael updated https://wiki.linaro.org/MichaelHope/Sandbox/StableBranch, so we should have stable releases from now on
[15:38] <rsalveti> we'll see how that goes
[15:38] <rsalveti> mounir: anything else you want to cover?
[15:39] <mounir> graphics: glconbench and glmark have also released
[15:39] <skaet> ..?
[15:39] <rsalveti> we'll be working to get that pushed to the archive soon
[15:39] <rsalveti> and usual plat releases will be out next week
[15:40] <rsalveti> for Ubuntu LEB and Android, if anyone is interested
[15:40] <rsalveti> :-)
[15:40] <rsalveti> ..
[15:40] <skaet> Thanks rsalveti and mounir!  :)
[15:40] <skaet> rsalveti,  appreciate if you can get that bug handled before alpha3  :)
[15:41] <skaet> thanks for the details. :)
[15:41] <rsalveti> skaet: yeah, will work on that next week, for sure
[15:41] <skaet> anyone else have any questions?
[15:41] <skaet> [TOPIC] Ubuntu One Team -  Chipaca or joshuahoover
[15:41] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu One Team -  Chipaca or joshuahoover
[15:41] <joshuahoover> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/OneiricReleaseStatus
[15:41] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/OneiricReleaseStatus
[15:41] <joshuahoover> we have a new release of ubuntuone-control-panel & ubuntuone-storage-protocol out today
[15:42] <joshuahoover> work on how we change the installation & updates of u1 software begins next week by dobey (he's working on adding work items now):
[15:42] <joshuahoover> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-ubuntuone-agile-delivery-of-u1
[15:42] <joshuahoover> new releases of ubuntuone-client will be made once the cross platform issues are worked out...we thought that would be this week but the team working on it needs another week (and is sprinting on it next week)
[15:42] <joshuahoover> questions?
[15:42] <joshuahoover> --
[15:42] <pitti> o/
[15:42] <skaet> Thanks joshuahoover
[15:42] <skaet> go pitti
[15:42] <pitti> I had a question last week about the plans for porting the rhythmbox music store to GTK3, or whether it should be dropped entirely?
[15:43] <pitti> we can do either, just need to know at some point to unbreak the upgrade
[15:43] <joshuahoover> pitti: right, i asked Chipaca about that and he said we want to but we're not sure we can support it, i'll push for a decision by the next meeting
[15:43] <Chipaca> if that's next week, we need to talk today :)
[15:43] <pitti> joshuahoover: ok, thanks; if we are going to drop, we can do that late in the game, but doing this by beta-1 would be great
[15:43] <skaet> joshuahoover, ok if I give an action item to track it?
[15:44] <pitti> thanks joshuahoover
[15:45] <skaet> any other questions?
[15:46] <skaet> joshuahoover, looking forward to seeing the new features,  thanks for letting us know they've landed.  :)
[15:46] <skaet> ok,  moving on...
[15:46] <skaet> [TOPIC] Desktop Team update - pitti
[15:46] <MootBot> New Topic:  Desktop Team update - pitti
[15:46] <pitti> New compiz/unity releases this week. Compiz introduced some known performance and keybinding regressions, which are known and being worked on by DX.
[15:46] <pitti> Landed python3-gobject in Debian sid and oneiric, which should help with adopting Python 3.
[15:47] <pitti> software-center port to GTK3 making good progress, but will most probably miss oneiric; will land in time for the 12.04 LTS, though. Also, Shotwell and Firefox confirmed that they are working on GTK3 port, so we can hopefully drop GTK 3 in 12.04 LTS.
[15:47] <pitti> UbuntuSpec:desktop-o-cd-localization reached beta now: version 0.9 grew a mostly working image build script, plus the remaining required features. Now this only needs packaging of our syslinux theme, then it should be ready for more widespread testing.
[15:47] <pitti> Work item status: a bit behind on alpha-3, but on track for final release. But we have a bunch of blueprints which can easily be postponed to the next cycle, to concentrate on bug fixing after alpha-3.
[15:47] <pitti> CD size: back from 730 to 715 MB, by reverting back to ibus-pinyin; Chinese Edition will have sunpinyin, as well as online installations with the regular CD (pulled in by language-selector and ubiquity). Thunderbird grew by 3 MB, will be fixed in next upload again.
[15:47] <pitti> RC bugs:
[15:47] <pitti>  * Moderate progress
[15:47] <pitti>  * no serious alpha-3 breakers right now
[15:47] <pitti>  * most important one is bug Bug:806064; now discussed with Robert, and solution is clear, and on track for alpha-3
[15:47] <pitti>  * Details at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus#rcbugs as usual
[15:47] <pitti> and, to preemt skaet's next question:
[15:48] <pitti> Major things that we expect to land this release still, and which you might need to be aware of:
[15:48] <pitti>  * LibreOffice 3.4 (probably for alpha-3, package almost ready to go)
[15:48] <pitti>  * Some GNOME 3.2 bits like the online accounts panel (currently going through NEW and being integrated)
[15:48] <skaet> lol
[15:48] <pitti>  * Chinese Edition (doesn't directly affect Ubuntu images, though)
[15:48] <pitti>  * Ubuntu lightdm theme (already in universe)
[15:48] <pitti> ..
[15:48] <skaet> Thanks pitti!  :)
[15:48]  * skaet likes having questions pre-empted ;)
[15:48] <skaet> anyone else have questions?
[15:49] <skaet> [TOPIC] Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth or njpatel
[15:49] <MootBot> New Topic:  Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth or njpatel
[15:49] <dbarth> hi
[15:49] <skaet> :)
[15:49] <dbarth> status notes at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/OneiricReleaseStatus#preview
[15:49] <dbarth> (minus the preview)
[15:49] <dbarth> in essence, we've got a new unity release with an interesting shared lib
[15:50] <dbarth> will be used between the 3d and 2d update of lenses
[15:50] <dbarth> big news on the CJK issue this week
[15:50] <pitti> \o/
[15:50] <dbarth> we've got a fix up for testing; kudos go to Brandon and didrocks
[15:51] <dbarth> a new alt-tab plugin as well, landing next to a compiz release that we would have liked better
[15:51] <dbarth> (corrective actions in place)
[15:51] <dbarth> a new libindicator release for those who care, otherwise work on the rest of the stack progressing well
[15:52] <dbarth> utouch, nothing big, but the QML integration is closer; API has been reviewed, looking good
[15:52] <dbarth> slow progresses on unity-2d
[15:52] <dbarth> but florian back next monday to unblock loads of merge props lined up this week
[15:52] <dbarth> ...
[15:52] <dbarth> ..
[15:52] <skaet> Thanks dbarth :)
[15:52] <skaet> what's planned to land between now and A3?
[15:53] <dbarth> an update of the lenses essentially, using the new shared library
[15:53] <dbarth> that's the main element
[15:54] <skaet> do you have an outlook date?
[15:54] <dbarth> for the rest will mostly start hitting the bug pile
[15:54] <dbarth> next week'ish for the first code drop
[15:54] <dbarth> and the week after for something more solid
[15:54] <dbarth> we don't have much time left
[15:55] <skaet> thanks dbarth,  yup.   Just trying to figure out how it will all fit,  and when we might be a bit broken ;)
[15:55] <skaet> any other questions?
[15:55] <skaet> [TOPIC] Kubuntu Team update - ScottK
[15:55] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kubuntu Team update - ScottK
[15:55] <ScottK> Hello
[15:55] <skaet> :)
[15:56] <ScottK> The major news this week is we've finally transitioned to the KDE git based 4.7 tarballs that are split into a LOT more packages.
[15:56] <ScottK> We have all the packaging updated and KDE 4.7 rc1 in the archive.
[15:56] <ScottK> 4.7.0 will be tagged this week and we are starting on packaging it.
[15:57] <skaet> :)
[15:57] <ScottK> There's a little bit of maintenance work left of getting rid of old packages and kubuntu packageset definition, but we are ~there.
[15:58] <ScottK> I want to mention bug 735166 - KDE upstream's position on this is very clear and we'll (as we generally do) follow them in this.
[15:58] <ScottK> I think Gnome is clearly in the wrong and that's where it needs to be fixed.
[15:58] <ScottK> In the meantime, if there's an Ubuntu work around for the Gnome bug, it shouldn't be in the KDE packages.
[15:58] <ScottK> ..
[15:59] <skaet> Thanks ScottK
[15:59] <ScottK> (there's a reference in the bug to the upstream discussion)
[16:00] <skaet> Sounds like 4.7 will make A3 :)   congrats!
[16:00] <ScottK> Barring disaster, yes.
[16:00] <pitti> . o { another reason to drop the shell completely and provide a Unity lens *cough* }
[16:00]  * skaet crosses fingers to avert disaster.  ;)
[16:01] <skaet> any questions?
[16:01] <skaet> [TOPIC] Edubuntu Team update - highvoltage
[16:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Edubuntu Team update - highvoltage
[16:02]  * skaet looks around for highvoltage ?
[16:02] <skaet> hmm... ok moving on.
[16:02] <skaet> [TOPIC] Xubuntu Team update - charlie-tca
[16:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Xubuntu Team update - charlie-tca
[16:02] <charlie-tca> Bug 804734 is fixed, now we are working to get lightdm working in time for alpha3.
[16:03] <charlie-tca> No major changes planned other than getting lightdm working fully
[16:03] <charlie-tca> ..
[16:03] <skaet> Thanks charlie-tca!  :)
[16:04] <skaet> ok,  won't worry to much about interactions specific for Xubuntu then for A3.   Anything concerns about Feature Freeze the following week?
[16:04] <charlie-tca> none that I know of at this time
[16:04] <skaet> thanks.   any other questions?
[16:05] <skaet> [TOPIC] MOTU team update - tumbleweed
[16:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  MOTU team update - tumbleweed
[16:05]  * tumbleweed waves
[16:05] <skaet> :)
[16:05] <tumbleweed> I've been pretty much offline this week (and am currently sitting on a plane to debconf (on the ground))
[16:05] <tumbleweed> There's a fair amount to do, as ever: FTBFS fixing and NBS (transitions)
[16:05] <tumbleweed> There's FTBFS progress, but slow: http://corelli.tumbleweed.org.za/ubuntu-qa/qa-ftbfs/oneiric-historical.html
[16:05] <tumbleweed> ..
[16:05] <skaet> Thanks tumbleweed :)
[16:05] <skaet> anyone have questions?
[16:06] <skaet> [TOPIC]  any other business?  comments/questions/etc...
[16:06] <MootBot> New Topic:   any other business?  comments/questions/etc...
[16:07] <skaet> There will be a feedback session for 10.04.3 release,  at the 1/2 hour point after this meeting.   Anyone who wants to attend, and provide feedback,  please drop me a ping after this,  and I'll provide the dialin info.
[16:07] <skaet> anyone else?
[16:08] <skaet> ok, its a wrap then.    Thanks everyone!
[16:08] <skaet> #endmeeting
[16:08] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:08.
[16:08] <pitti> thanks everyone!
[16:08] <charlie-tca> Thanks, skaet
[16:08] <skaet> Thanks jibel, mlegris, jdstrand, ogasawara, doko_,  infinity, rsalveti, mounir, Daviey, joshuahoover,  Chipaca, pitti, dbarth, ScottK, charlie-tca, tumbleweed.
[16:08] <joshuahoover> thank you skaet
[16:08] <rsalveti> skaet: thanks!
[16:09] <jdstrand> thanks skaet :)
[16:10] <jibel> Thanks skaet