[00:26] <RAOF> karni: That looks like library version skew.
[00:27] <RAOF> What's the demo-stuff PPA? It's probably the thing that's broken.
[00:28] <karni> RAOF: Yes, I'm sure that's the problem ;)
[00:28] <karni> That's why I raised it, so maybe someone from Unity team will pick it up tomorrow/today morning.
[00:29] <RAOF> Yeah, looks like something needs a rebuild.
[06:05] <Saviq> mzanetti, cool, thanks
[06:05] <Saviq> karni, she's off until Thursday I think
[06:05] <Saviq> karni, so yeah, it's fine
[06:06] <Saviq> karni, you can access old comments on gdrive - the comments button will take you to all comments
[06:06] <Saviq> mhall119, they were, but I had to redo a few things, so they're coming
[06:07] <Saviq> mhall119, I'm waiting for a new release of unity-scopes-api basically
[06:24]  * mhall119 hopes Saviq is just starting work, not just ending it
[06:25] <Saviq> mhall119, I'm in Cape Town, so yeah, just got in
[06:25] <mhall119> ok, I'll look for the new stuff in ~8 hours then
[06:44] <Saviq> ricmm, https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg04549.html
[06:44] <didrocks> waow, but people are staring on emails!
[06:45] <didrocks> ah no, I was thinking it was mine ;)
[06:45] <didrocks> (see #ubuntu-eng-ci)
[06:45] <didrocks> Saviq: btw, should we increase the timeout?
[06:45] <Saviq> didrocks, why?
[06:46] <Saviq> (you mean the kill timeout?)
[06:46] <didrocks> Saviq: as you are still seeing corrupted stacktrace
[06:46] <didrocks> yep
[06:46] <Saviq> didrocks, it was only corrupted in the jobs before we installed u8-autopilot
[06:46] <didrocks> Saviq: are you sure? I remember we saw some after this package being installed
[06:47] <Saviq> didrocks, which were not smashed, but just didn't retrace
[06:47] <Saviq> didrocks, so what I'm actually thinking is moving it to unity8 itself
[06:47] <didrocks> Saviq: yeah, I think it's making sense
[06:47] <Saviq> didrocks, as it only ever changes things when you go "initctl unity8 stop"
[06:47] <didrocks> I was about to suggest the same :)
[06:48] <Saviq> which normal users won't do, and if it crashes runtime, it will wait for apport to complete anyway
[06:48] <didrocks> exactly
[06:52] <Saviq> didrocks, https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity8/move-upstart-timeout/+merge/202041
[06:55] <ricmm> greyback: do you know enugh about the OSK controller thing?
[06:55] <ricmm> need to fix that thing where keyb is the wrong orientation for sidestage apps
[06:56] <greyback> ricmm: I do. Point me to the bug please
[06:57] <ricmm> greyback: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-keyboard/+bug/1257383
[06:58] <ricmm> old report, but its basically the bug
[06:58] <ricmm> in sidestage, app thinks its portrait, rotation is set to -90
[06:59] <greyback> ricmm: yeah. It's actually ubuntu-keyboard issue, shell/unity-mir is not responsible for how OSK draws itself
[07:00] <greyback> ricmm: so ubuntu-keyboard needs to be made aware of the stage the app is running on. Eeek
[07:01] <ricmm> greyback: why? cant the keyboard just follow gravity
[07:01] <greyback> ricmm: it could
[07:01] <ricmm> it already does for main stage I believe
[07:02] <ricmm> its just getting confused with what portrait means for sidestage
[07:08] <greyback> ricmm: now i am too. Did we add a hack to rotate the orientation reported to sidestage apps by 90 degrees at one stage?
[07:09]  * tsdgeos complains about getting up too early to get an earlier EOD
[07:09] <ricmm> greyback: none that I remember, but I do know that rotation is reported through the OSK controller
[07:09] <ricmm> and no longer directly by maliit
[07:09]  * tsdgeos starts to work
[07:10] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i did try to test it and did not really succeed but i'll give it another go
[07:10] <Saviq> tsdgeos, thanks
[07:10] <tsdgeos> shouldn't be *that* hard since karni was hitting it :D
[07:10] <greyback> ricmm: it's not. OSKController just waits for ubuntu-keyboard to create a surface, it makes it visible and sets up an InputArea for it. That's all
[07:11] <ricmm> ok then not osk controller
[07:11] <ricmm> but that socket based comms that we have
[07:11] <ricmm> that reports geom
[08:22] <tsdgeos> karni: there?
[08:31] <Saviq> tsdgeos, https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/bad_loop_dash_test/+merge/201802 works doesn't it?
[08:36] <tsdgeos> Saviq: sure
[08:36] <tsdgeos> Saviq: but we don't seem to be hitting the thing it fixes atm
[08:37] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ok, let's see
[08:39] <tsdgeos> damn now i can't reproduce the crash in the journals in karni's branch
[08:39] <tsdgeos> he seems to have changed something else that makes it not happen :/
[08:40] <tsdgeos> ah good bzr
[08:40] <tsdgeos> let me go back to the rev it fails
[09:50] <mzanetti> Saviq: hey, can you check this one? https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/unity8/app_preview/+merge/201718
[09:51] <mzanetti> Saviq: it contains code from me and I guided elopio through this. So I'd prefer having another pair of eyes on it
[10:09] <mzanetti> anyone up for confirming this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/hud/+bug/1269788
[10:09] <tsdgeos> Saviq: added the tests, took me more than expected
[10:09] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: destkop or device?
[10:09] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: device
[10:09] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: so you do /sbin/stop unity8 ?
[10:10] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: yeah
[10:10] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: well... I do ./run_on_device
[10:10] <tsdgeos> :D
[10:10] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: which stops the service and runs another one. if that one crashes
[10:10] <mzanetti> then hud-service is stuck at 100%
[10:10] <tsdgeos> /sbin/stop unity8
[10:10] <tsdgeos> worked here
[10:10] <tsdgeos> hud is fine
[10:11] <tsdgeos> and then starting a new one
[10:11] <tsdgeos> hud went to 100% briefly
[10:11] <tsdgeos> but is back at doing nothing
[10:11] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: hmm... my device is constantly burning here
[10:12] <tsdgeos> today's image?
[10:12] <tsdgeos> i'm on yesterdays
[10:12] <mzanetti> it's happening since weeks already
[10:12] <mzanetti> at least since a week before xmas
[10:12] <tsdgeos> 131
[10:12] <tsdgeos> oh
[10:12] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: so to be more precise, what I do is this:
[10:12] <mzanetti> I install my patched libunity-mir
[10:12] <mzanetti> then stop the installed unity8
[10:13] <mzanetti> and start my patched unity8
[10:13] <mzanetti> when I stop my patched unity8, the installed one doesn't start any more because it's not compatible with the installed unity-mir
[10:13] <tsdgeos> maybe unity-mir patch breaks hud?
[10:13] <tsdgeos> i mean
[10:13] <tsdgeos> hud wants some stuff exported by unity-mir
[10:13] <tsdgeos> and it may get unhappy if we're not providing that
[10:13] <mzanetti> oh... interesting
[10:13] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: well, I only added stuff
[10:13] <tsdgeos> the dbus application stack model thing
[10:14] <mzanetti> but sure... might cause woes
[10:14] <tsdgeos> is consumed by hud afair
[10:14] <mzanetti> mhm... interesting
[10:14] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: but whenever I start my patched unity8, hud-service goes down to 0
[10:14] <mzanetti> when I stop unity8 it freaks out again
[10:36] <Saviq> mzanetti, I probably won't be able to look at it before Monday in over a week
[10:37] <mzanetti> Saviq: ok, I'll ask someone else
[10:45] <Saviq> thostr_, mhr3 lunch
[11:03] <tsdgeos> Cimi: https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/fix-1214423/+merge/192868 ?
[11:04] <tsdgeos> Cimi: dandrader|bbl: https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/searchIndicator-swipe/+merge/198258 ?
[11:05] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: you doing https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/unity8/app_preview/+merge/201718 right?
[11:05] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: I'm trying to find someone else because it contains code from me and basically I told elopio to do this. So I'd like to have another pair of eyes on it
[11:06] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: can you?
[11:06] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: sure, i'll add me to it
[11:06] <mzanetti> thanks
[11:14] <dednick> mzanetti: want to see that solution i came up with for the MouseArea which doesn't consume events? :)
[11:14]  * mzanetti senses a trap
[11:14] <dednick> mzanetti: hehe.... it's a bit "interesting"
[11:14] <mzanetti> sure I want to know :)
[11:15] <mzanetti> I had this problem quite often already
[11:15] <dednick> I'll just pastebin the cpp. And it only works for pressed, released, clicked, dblclick at the moment.
[11:16] <dednick> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6767344/
[11:16] <mzanetti> for example it would allow me to get rid of a workaround in the right edge thing
[11:16] <mzanetti> ah ok...
[11:16] <mzanetti> well sure... if there is a proper way to do it, I guess this is it
[11:18] <mzanetti> dednick: so this first evaluates the qml code inside the PassthroughMouseArea. if there is accepted == true it behaves like a regular mousearea, right?
[11:18] <mzanetti> dednick: if accepted == false, it still keeps on getting the following events, but they are additionally re-injected into QCoreApplication
[11:18] <mzanetti> am I reading this correctly?
[11:19] <dednick> mzanetti: if accepted==true (ie the PassthoughtMouseArea was pressed), then it re-sends the mouseevent through core application
[11:20] <dednick> mzanetti: but it bypasses this mouseArea, because m_enabledEvents==false now.
[11:20] <mzanetti> ah... 'cause if accepted == false, the MouseArea itself forwards it already... got it
[11:20] <mzanetti> dednick: hmm... will this land in unity8 anytime soon?
[11:21] <mzanetti> that would really solve the one dirty workaround I have in the rightedge stuff
[11:21] <dednick> mzanetti: er. maybe. there's a few other branches it depends on.
[11:21] <dednick> mzanetti: and it's not actually in MP yet.
[11:22] <mzanetti> ok. no problem. the rightedge stuff is still a bit away too. just let me know when I can start using this please
[11:22] <dednick> mzanetti: ok.
[11:55] <dednick> mzanetti: um, what's currently the best way to get a click event through qmltests?
[11:56] <mzanetti> dednick: huh? mouseClick() ?
[11:56] <dednick> mzanetti: what about tap?
[11:56] <mzanetti> dednick: I think everything is converted to a tap internally
[11:56] <dednick> dont really understand why we have different ones for touch...
[11:56] <mzanetti> so we shouldn't have different ones in unity
[11:57] <mzanetti> dednick: dandrader knows all the details though
[11:57] <mzanetti> dednick: but afaik, if there is a mouse click, the uqmlschene we use for testing should convert it to a tap
[11:58] <dednick> i c
[11:59] <dednick> doesnt seem to work.
[11:59] <dednick> dandrader|bbl: ping when you're back
[12:17] <mzanetti> dednick: pun intended? :P
[12:18] <dednick> mzanetti: :)
[12:19] <dednick> no!
[12:19] <mzanetti> :D
[12:24] <karni> tsdgeos: hi :)
[12:24] <tsdgeos> karni: hi, was nothing, Saviq answered all your questions, right?
[12:24]  * karni reads e-mail
[12:29] <karni> tsdgeos: If I understand that correctly, for testing purposes, line 292 [1] is fine, because we're not on the CardVerticalJournal.qml level yet? [1] https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/new-scopes-vj-integration/+merge/201932
[12:30] <karni> tsdgeos: It seemed strange to me I had to set ResponsiveVerticalJournal's columnWidth and delegate width separately
[12:30] <karni> If it where in CardVerticalJournal.qml, setting CardVerticalJournal columnWidth would suffice.
[12:34] <karni> By the way guys, I wrote this here last night, maybe someone can have a look at it:
[12:34] <karni>  Unity8 won't start with packages installed from demo-stuff PPA: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6764850/
[12:37] <karni> tsdgeos / Saviq: Would you guys have a moment today to review the merge [1] above? :)
[12:38] <tsdgeos> karni: i can try having a look later
[12:38] <karni> tsdgeos: thank you
[12:40] <karni> tsdgeos: silly question - should this part of code ('category-layout': 'vertical-journal') already work in unity-scope-tool? It shows nothing when I switch to vertical-journal. If it should show stuff, I may have gotten something wrong.
[12:41] <karni> the try and testResponsiveVerticalJournal work fine
[12:42] <tsdgeos> karni: if you're not hooking category-layout vertical to the vJournal stuff
[12:42] <tsdgeos> i'd say no
[12:42] <tsdgeos> and i don't see you doing it, no?
[12:42]  * mzanetti needs to leave for an hour and a half. bbl
[12:43] <karni> tsdgeos: line 160 in qml/Dash/GenericScopeView.qml: case "vertical-journal": return "CardVerticalJournal.qml";
[12:43] <tsdgeos> i hate it when ctrl+f fails on me :D
[12:43]  * karni same here ^ ^
[12:44] <tsdgeos> then i'd say it should work™
[12:45] <tsdgeos> but i'm not very uptodate in the new scopes architecture
[12:45] <karni> tsdgeos: ok, I think that might be because CardVerticalJournal is missing: width: template['card-size'] (the GU value of it)
[12:45] <karni> tsdgeos: I guess not many of us are :D
[12:45] <karni> super fresh
[12:45] <Saviq> mzanetti, you're famous now ;)
[12:51] <Saviq> didrocks, I'm off next week, mzanetti would you like to be our first trained landing engineer in the team?
[12:51] <didrocks> Saviq: ok, switching place sounds fine, mind forwarding that to mzanetti?
[12:52] <didrocks> Saviq: he will have to do the paperwork, you win! :)
[12:56] <mzanetti> Saviq: didrocks: ok...
[12:56] <mzanetti> Saviq: yeah... didn't expect that much fame :D
[12:57] <didrocks> mzanetti: did you get the email or should I forward it to you? ;)
[12:57] <dandrader> dednick, ping
[12:58] <mzanetti> didrocks: only got the invitation
[13:02] <dednick> dandrader: howdy. was wondering what the diff is between mouseClick and sending press/release events in qml tests. Seems that click doesnt work with draghandle hinting.
[13:05] <dandrader> dednick|lunch, dragHandle deals with touch events, not mouse events
[13:06] <dandrader> dednick|lunch, so you should send a touch tap instead of a mouse click
[13:47] <Saviq> karni, you haven't assigned the model to ResponsiveVerticalJournal in CardVerticalJournal, or bound CVJ's height to RVJ
[13:47]  * karni looks
[13:49] <Saviq> karni, basically because you're not doing DashVerticalJournal, you need to bind much more than you have - see DashFilterGrid
[13:49] <karni> ack
[13:49] <Saviq> karni, also, template and components are undefined on ResponsiveVerticalJournal
[13:50] <Saviq> karni, so            template: cardVerticalJournal.template
[13:50] <Saviq>             components: cardVerticalJournal.components
[13:50] <Saviq> is wrong
[13:50] <cwayne> heya guys, is there a timetable for scopes-as-click-packages
[13:54] <Saviq> mhr3, do you know anything ↑?
[13:55] <mhr3> thostr_, ^^
[13:56] <karni> Saviq: thostr_: I know it's quite late notice, but would you guys like to hangout later and update us on progress made during the sprint?
[13:56] <thostr_> cwayne: click packages are planned for 14.04 but not done by mid of Feb meaning won't be available for mwc
[13:56] <thostr_> cwayne: do you need click package by mid Feb?
[13:56] <karni> Saviq: I'm processing your comments
[13:57] <thostr_> karni: I need to leave in couple of minutes for the airport
[13:57] <karni> thostr_: maybe monday then?
[13:57] <thostr_> karni: yes, sure
[13:57] <cwayne> need might be a strong word, but it would certainly simplify things quite a bit for us thostr_
[13:57] <karni> thostr_: anyway, we'll schedule the meeting
[13:57] <karni> thostr_: safe flight!
[13:57] <thostr_> karni: thanks
[13:58] <Saviq> didrocks, greyback is on the spreadsheet for wave 1, too, and he's off next week as well
[13:59] <Saviq> didrocks, I think it should be merged into team Unity TBH
[13:59] <didrocks> Saviq: yeah, I agree, kgunn: are you happy to merge that in the Unity team and only have one lander?
[14:00] <Saviq> didrocks, kgunn, or we get tsdgeos to be the second one (still, for a single Team Unity)
[14:01] <elopio> tsdgeos: I updated my MP. Thanks for taking a look.
[14:01] <tsdgeos> no worries
[14:02] <karni> Saviq: re: no model in ResponsiveVJ - isn't it set by the user?
[14:03] <Saviq> karni, the property is set on the top component - DashRenderer
[14:04] <Saviq> karni, you need to bind it to RVJ
[14:04] <karni> ack
[14:04] <Saviq> karni, and probably a few others
[14:07] <kgunn> didrocks: i'm always happy if Saviq is happy
[14:07] <didrocks> ok, modifying then, thanks guys
[14:18] <karni> Saviq: pushed bound properties of CardVerticalJournal top level component. Sadly, I don't know where the template and component values would come from.
[14:18] <karni> Saviq: If it seems I'm slowing you down, you should tell me :)
[14:22] <Saviq> karni, they're there on DashRenderer
[14:22] <karni> oh. I should also create property aliases for 'em?
[14:24] <karni> Saviq: Conceptually, when someone instantiates CardVerticalJournal -- will they introduce their own delegate? if so, the current delegate in CardVerticalJournal makes little sense
[14:25] <karni> Or rather, that's just a good default value.
[14:25] <Saviq> karni, that's the only value, yes
[14:26] <Saviq> karni, so there should be no "delegate" property on CVJ
[14:27] <karni> oh
[14:27]  * karni removed
[14:30] <karni> Saviq: Card (delegate) expects template and components on ResponsiveVerticalJournal (its parent), would this work then? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6768200/
[14:31] <karni> Saviq: I don't want to flood you with MP updates..
[14:31] <Saviq> karni, why do you say it expects it on its parent?
[14:31] <Saviq> karni, it has those as its own properties
[14:31] <karni> Saviq: you said it's undefined. should I point the card to the DashRenderer instead?
[14:32] <karni> Saviq: I'm not sure if I have enough brevity for those final touches :(
[14:33] <karni> brevity - wrong word heh
[14:33] <karni> fluency
[14:33] <Saviq> karni, that's where the values are
[14:33] <Saviq> karni, so yes, you need: template: genericVerticalJournal.template instead
[14:33] <Saviq> karni, cardVerticalJournal does not have a components or template properties
[14:34] <tsdgeos> dednick: standtup
[14:34] <tsdgeos> nic-doffay_: ↑
[14:35] <nic-doffay_> tsdgeos, on my way
[14:35] <tsdgeos> Saviq: wanna join just to tell us how you're on holiday next week?
[14:35] <Saviq> tsdgeos, can't
[14:35] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ok
[14:36] <Saviq> tsdgeos, not sure I understand your question though ;)
[14:37] <karni> Saviq: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6768235/ ? :)
[14:40] <karni> Saviq: seems that's still not sufficient to make unity-scope-tool accept the vertical-journal integration. :S
[14:44] <Saviq> karni, yes, model and height were not propagated (model down, height up) between DashRenderer and RVj in CVJ
[14:45] <Saviq> karni, although that wasn't enough either
[14:45] <Saviq> karni, I can't get much further though
[14:45] <karni> Saviq: appreciated
[14:53] <tsdgeos> dandrader: ping
[14:53] <dandrader> tsdgeos, pong
[14:53] <tsdgeos> dandrader: i had a look at the gallery
[14:53] <tsdgeos> and does the same thing i do
[14:53] <tsdgeos> i.e. the 4 element is put on the bottom row
[14:53] <dandrader> tsdgeos, well I had a different impression
[14:54] <tsdgeos> let me do a photo of the phone
[14:54] <dandrader> tsdgeos, but we can merge it as it is
[14:54] <dandrader> tsdgeos, and tweak this stuff later
[14:54] <tsdgeos> now gallery doesn't want to start
[14:54]  * tsdgeos reboots phone
[15:00] <tsdgeos> dandrader: got the email?
[15:01] <dandrader> tsdgeos, yes
[15:03] <dandrader> tsdgeos, have you tried the situation I explained in my e-mail
[15:03] <dandrader> tsdgeos, a module with only 2 items
[15:03] <dandrader> tsdgeos, (e.g. a fully filled module and on its left a module with only 2 items
[15:03] <dandrader> )
[15:03] <tsdgeos> on the right?
[15:05] <dandrader> s/left/right
[15:10] <tsdgeos> dandrader: karni: can any of you top approve https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/journal_misc_fixes ?
[15:10] <tsdgeos> dandrader: so delete 2 items from the photo i sent you?
[15:11] <dandrader> tsdgeos, yes
[15:11]  * karni looks
[15:11] <tsdgeos> dandrader: ahh
[15:11] <tsdgeos> right that is different
[15:11] <dandrader> tsdgeos, aha!
[15:11] <tsdgeos> i thought you were always speaking of the 4 item configuration
[15:11] <tsdgeos> not of the 2 item one
[15:15] <karni> tsdgeos: looks good to me, shall I top approve? In previous teams the propose'er would do that.
[15:15] <tsdgeos> karni: please
[15:15] <karni> tsdgeos: done
[15:16] <tsdgeos> we only top approve our own stuff if autolanding fails because one of the known "unstable" tests
[15:16] <karni> I see. So the reviewer would top-approve? Also, do you usually seek more than one review?
[15:16] <tsdgeos> depends
[15:17] <tsdgeos> i'd say no
[15:17] <karni> ok
[15:17] <tsdgeos> it's hard enough to get one to review your stuff :D
[15:18] <karni> haha
[15:23] <karni> What's this aboug guys? Unity8 won't start with packages installed from demo-stuff PPA: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6764850/
[15:25] <tsdgeos> i'd say rebuild needed somewhere
[15:26] <karni> Is there anyone who could look into that? (/me doesn't know people on the team well, yet)
[15:26] <tsdgeos> mhr3 or Saviq are the ones that rebuild that ppa afaik
[15:27] <tsdgeos> saviq is out next week
[15:27] <tsdgeos> let's hope mhr3 is at work and not touring south africa too
[15:27] <karni> haha
[15:27] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: do you know if mhr3 is back next week?
[15:27] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, he should be, i think so
[15:27] <tsdgeos> oki
[15:28] <karni> phew
[15:31]  * tsdgeos enjoys his early day start with an early eow
[15:31]  * tsdgeos waves
[15:31] <tsdgeos> nic-doffay_: see you man!
[15:31] <karni> o/
[16:53] <didrocks> mzanetti: if we move the bootcamp to 16 UTC instead of 15 UTC, would that work for you?
[16:53] <didrocks> (to work a little bit better with the NZ guys)
[16:55] <mzanetti> didrocks: ok, sure
[16:56] <didrocks> thanks!
[18:19] <karni> mzanetti: I learned from omgubuntu about the new app switcher. woot \o/ :) (though, I was bit surprized about the horizontal scroll control, seemed way to responsive/delicate)
[18:20] <mzanetti> karni: yeah, it's a bit too fast still
[18:20] <mzanetti> karni: need to tweak the values still
[18:20] <mzanetti> karni: so, now you know what I'm talking about for days in the standup already :D
[18:20] <karni> mzanetti: hahahah yeah, from omgubuntu ;D
[18:21] <karni> mzanetti: looks great
[18:21] <mzanetti> thanks
[18:22] <karni> mzanetti: do you know which trusty-proposed revision can I flash to work with demo-stuff ppa? The most recent trusty-proposed just doesn't work with our new stuff.
[18:22] <karni> mzanetti: you using trusty-proposed, right?
[18:26]  * karni tries revno 132
[18:56] <fginther> Saviq, the unity8 otto jobs are failing again with what looks like the same signature, but I've been able to identify a changed dependency that may be the culprit, libunity-scopes0
[19:04] <karni> fginther: Hey Francis. He may have EOD'ed (haven't seen a while in here, he finished sprint today), he's on holiday next week.
[19:04] <fginther> karni, thanks. I'll find someone else to ping Monday


[01:18] <popey> @comment 63874 offtopic profanity
[01:18] <bazhang> thats utopian
[01:18] <bazhang> serious network wide issue
[01:19] <QuinnyPig> bazhang: Which?
[01:20] <bazhang> mesopotomain QuinnyPig , he has about 57 proxies, etc, a ton of nicks
[01:20] <bazhang> haha quinny funny nick
[01:21] <popey> infinmed also?
[01:21] <bazhang> yeppers
[01:22] <bazhang> let me check the one constant they all have
[01:22] <unfo> Hi all!  :)  Is there any way to find out if my bot edit requests end up getting approved or denied?
[01:28] <bazhang> 'njm' is pretty much the real name most all of those have in common (ie infimed, utopian mesoptomian et al)
[01:59] <popey> @comment 63877 inappropriate offtopicness
[01:59] <popey> as if there's appropriate offtopicness ⍨
[02:00] <unfo> @help comment
[02:00] <unfo> !help comment
[02:15] <rww> popey: in +b<EMAIL_ADDRESS>the bit after the x- is randomly-generated on connect. you probably want +b<EMAIL_ADDRESS>instead
[02:16] <rww> less important for IRCCloud than most gateways, but still
[02:17] <popey> thank you. i used an alias to do it, I should be less lazy and do that properly
[02:17] <rww> yeah, a lot of us (me included) do them wrong for that reason
[02:18] <rww> unfo: sure, if they start existing in the bot, they got approved ;)
[02:18] <rww> unfo: in regards to !anyone, it used to exist and was removed, so I don't see it re-appearing any time soon
[02:18] <rww> unfo: and !sicco is not particularly useful imho
[02:18] <unfo> rww:  fair :)  Is !anyone not useful?
[02:20] <rww> hrm, i wonder if i could find the logs from the factoid review where we killed it
[02:21] <rww> ah, there we go
[02:22] <rww> previous text: A high percentage of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real  one) and find out? See also !details, !gq, and !poll."
[02:22] <rww> feedback from people at the time was that it was overused (and misused). i.e., people were throwing it at people pretty regularly, in situations where just asking for specific details would work better
[02:23] <rww> it's not that much harder to ask "are you having trouble with it?" than to throw a factoid, and just using factoids makes support channels feel a bit stodgy
[02:23] <unfo> rww:  the idea is to teach people how to correctly use support channels for the future.
[02:23] <elky> it doesn't though.
[02:23] <unfo> rww:  even though it is stodgy.
[02:24] <unfo> elky:  it doesn't?
[02:25] <rww> unfo: there's a bit of a tightrope here. on one side, we could spend huge amounts of time trying to tease details out of users who can't use IRC well. on the other hand, we could throw factoids at them until their question conforms to our preferences
[02:25] <rww> we felt that !anyone was a bit too far towards the latter
[02:25] <elky> unfo: it just makes people jump through hoops that they don't understand, and it feels like they're being told off
[02:25] <rww> that some people like overusing factoids way, way too much, and !anyone was one of their favorites, did not really help its case
[02:25] <elky> not even just "irc well" either. i am not going to expect everyone there to "english well" either
[02:27] <unfo> I hear. Well, you could have one factoid that teaches all the basics. Let me give you an example. !ask in Debian starts with:
[02:27] <unfo> > If you have a question, just ask!
[02:27] <unfo> > For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___."
[02:27] <unfo> > Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask.
[02:27] <unfo> > We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:28] <unfo> It covers: 1) !anyone, 2) say both the expected output and the actual output, 3) what to do if you don't get an answer within minutes, 4) what to do if you don't get an answer within hours, and 5) other matters.
[02:38] <elky> unfo: unfortunately that completely confuses people, especially those whose grasp on english is less than fluent
[02:40] <unfo> elky:  point taken.
[02:40] <unfo> Thank you all!
[09:17] <SamuraiRm> posso avere la parola
[09:17] <ikonia> hello
[09:17] <ikonia> sorry, you won't be unbanned.
[09:19] <ikonia> SamuraiRm: do you understand you are not welcome in ubuntu channels due to your repeated behaviour ?
[09:20] <SamuraiRm> MA VAFFANCULO SCEMO
[09:20] <ikonia> that is why you are banned
[09:20] <k1l> i dont know much italian words, but i know that these words dont stick to the guidelines
[09:21] <SamuraiRm> FACK YOU MO UNDERSTAND?
[09:21] <ikonia> la lingua cattiva è parte della ragione sei bannato
[09:21] <SamuraiRm> MA FOTTITI
[09:21] <ikonia> you are not welcome in the ubuntu channels
[09:22] <SamuraiRm> MA STI CAZZI
[09:22] <ikonia> non siete i benvenuti nei canali di Ubuntu
[09:22] <SamuraiRm> NON SEI BENVENUTO SI DICE SCEMO
[09:22] <ikonia> Questa è l'ultima volta che questa informazione verrà spiegato a voi.
[09:22] <SamuraiRm> MA CHE CAZZO DICI  MA ARIVAFFANCULO
[11:51] <DJones> unopaste: has just gone crazy with mutes
[11:51] <bazhang_> yep
[11:52] <DJones> looks like confused with a netsplit
[16:15] <Pici> ubottu.com isn't resolving...
[16:16] <Pici> shaddup
[16:18] <Pici> tsimpson, not sure if you can help, but ubottu.com seems to be pointing nowhere ^^
[16:19] <tsimpson> Pici: I don't have a problem accessing it
[16:21] <k1l> working here
[16:21] <Pici> hmmm
[16:21] <k1l> took 5 seconds but worked
[16:27] <Pici> https://www.whatsmydns.net/#A/ubottu.com
[16:27] <Pici> not resolving here
[16:55] <DJones> Working for me, but slow connecting
[23:03] <pmatulis> how do i find the list of operators for a channel?
[23:04] <pleia2> pmatulis: /msg chanserv access #channel list
[23:06] <pmatulis> pleia2: cheers


[05:02] <InHisName> I finally fixed my old linux box after 14 months of freezing at "Checking battery status".
[05:03] <InHisName> Now am missing my nvidia drivers.   I've forgotten how to put the extras into ubuntu ?
[11:10] <JonathanD> Morning PA.
[11:12] <InHisName> Morning already, JonathanD
[11:12] <JonathanD> Yup.
[11:12] <JonathanD> Seems like it comes every day!
[11:13] <InHisName> amazine!
[11:13] <InHisName> can't even spell this early
[12:36] <jedijf> InHisName: check 'hardware drivers'
[12:37] <JonathanD> InHisName: ask your doctor about amazine.
[12:37] <jedijf> InHisName: System--Admin--Hardware Drivers
[12:38] <JonathanD> Side effects include muscle loss, nausea, insomnia, death, skin spotting, hair loss, and death.
[13:39] <InHisName> Thanks, jedijf, now on to delving into side effects of 'hardware drivers' - muscle loss, nausea, insomnia, death, skin spotting, hair loss, and death.
[13:39] <InHisName> Oops mixing threads
[13:46] <InHisName> no hdw drivers found.
[13:46] <InHisName> attempting to synaptic etc. to put them in.
[13:47] <InHisName> I wonder if my sound is gone too.
[13:55] <InHisName> jedijf: "no proprietary devices in use on this system".
[13:55] <InHisName> I used synaptic to install nividia173  - seemed to be good.
[13:56] <InHisName> STILL "no proprietary ..."
[13:56] <InHisName> Re-booted
[13:56] <InHisName> STILL "no proprietary ..."
[13:57] <InHisName> I'm still missing a step somewhere.
[14:04] <jedijf> InHisName: if there were no propreitary drivers.....then there are NO PROPREITARY drivers required...the open source ones should work
[14:05] <jedijf> required or available
[14:06] <jedijf> and if you are in synaptic......they are working......
[14:10] <jedijf> if you /need/ them look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[14:10] <PennBot> Title: BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia - Community Ubuntu Documentation (at help.ubuntu.com)
[14:12] <InHisName> No, I guess they got an open source one now.
[14:13] <InHisName> 'cept my mouse arrow disappeared.    I just switched KVM to old ubuntu with 10.04 now fixed.  Mouse came to life, now has arrow.
[14:38] <InHisName> I've switched back and forth several times and this is first that had visible mouse arrow.!
[14:39] <InHisName> Going into synaptic and removing superfluous software drivers.
[14:48] <InHisName> while selecting for removal, screen went black and said:  "unsupported screen, going to default 640x400"   strange
[14:48] <InHisName> continuing with removal.....
[14:48] <jedijf> hmmm.....check display and options....maybe not as superfluous as previously thought
[14:49] <jedijf> either way... the cursor will now be big enough to see
[15:12] <InHisName> even wierder,   I re-installed nvidia73.   nothing.    Rebooted, now can go hi res.
[15:12] <JonathanD> I need to fix graphics on crissis old laptop.
[15:12] <InHisName> Now NO mouse or ctrl locator function
[15:13] <JonathanD> It's an older ATI, I don't think it's very well supported.
[15:13] <InHisName> got mouse just no arrow or locator
[15:15] <InHisName> tried going into "appearance"   screen went black, green led still lit though.
[15:16] <InHisName> Probably loosing all hi-res and dropping to default 640x480
[15:24] <InHisName> things still are not stable yet
[15:24] <ChinnoDog> InHisName: what was wrong with it?
[15:24] <ChinnoDog> oops
[15:24] <ChinnoDog> My window was scrolled way up
[15:24] <ChinnoDog> n/m
[15:24] <InHisName> tried to go hi res and bungled a buncha stuff
[15:25] <InHisName> on a system I fixed after being frozen at "checking battery status" for 14 months.
[15:30] <andrew> You didn't even try turning off and back on during those 14 months?
[15:31] <InHisName> about 100 - 200 times
[15:34] <InHisName> this site got me to fix it:   http://superuser.com/questions/163621/stuck-on-checking-battery-state-at-startup-in-ubuntu-have-splash-screen-no-start
[15:34] <PennBot> Title: Stuck on Checking battery state at startup in Ubuntu, have splash screen no startup - Super User (at superuser.com)
[15:35] <InHisName> now am up and running with old system.   'freshly' upgraded to 10.04
[15:35] <InHisName> trying to get mouse arrrow and hi res to play nicely together
[15:37] <InHisName> dropped res to 1280 and try rebooting to see what that does.
[15:40] <InHisName> ok the mouse finder is back working,  But no mouse arrow yet.
[15:41] <InHisName> Where do I change the shape of the mouse arrow ?
[15:43] <InHisName> how to spell Mr. Bacon's handle name ?
[15:48] <InHisName> Ok, I got my mouse arrow back.     I had to type my password and there it was.
[15:48] <InHisName> I change screen size and need to wait for password prompt to test this hypothesis.
[17:05] <InHisName> Sound works but avi only plays sounds no picutures.
[17:06] <InHisName> Yes, waiting for password prompt 'restores' the mouse arrow.
[17:38] <InHisName> @monolog
[17:38] <PennBot> I don't have a clue.
[17:39] <InHisName> @help
[17:39] <PennBot> InHisName: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
[17:39] <InHisName> help
[17:39] <InHisName> @list
[17:39] <PennBot> InHisName: Admin, Alias, Anonymous, BadWords, Channel, ChannelLogger, Config, Filter, Games, Infobot, Karma, Later, Math, Misc, Nickometer, Owner, Seen, Status, String, URL, Unix, Utilities, Weather, and Web
[17:40] <andrew> @monologue
[17:40] <PennBot> andrew: Your current monologue is at least 1 line long.
[17:40] <andrew> spelling helps
[17:40] <InHisName> @monologue
[17:40] <PennBot> InHisName: Your current monologue is at least 1 line long.
[17:40] <InHisName> you interrupted my 2 hour run....
[17:41] <andrew> aww
[17:41] <andrew> you could have had it if you spelled correctly
[17:41] <InHisName> andrew: any thoughts on when I change screen size,  the mouse arrow disappears until I get a password prompt.
[17:42] <InHisName> for Ubuntu 10.04
[17:42] <InHisName> Do you know how to spell Mr. bacon's handle name ?
[17:47] <jedijf> InHisName: do you have any 'desktop effects' enabled?
[17:48] <jedijf> if so, try turning them off
[18:12] <InHisName> not yet, set at default bare level.
[18:15] <teddy-dbear> SamuraiAlba
[18:16] <InHisName> I want more stability before that kind of playing around.
[18:17] <InHisName> Thanks teddy-dbear
[18:17] <teddy-dbear> somebody needs to learn how to check logs
[18:29] <InHisName> @later tell SamuraiAlba Too bad I couldn't send to your fiance instead --- http://english.ntdtv.com/ntdtv_en/ns_life/2011-04-16/bacon-scented-perfume-sizzles.html
[18:29] <PennBot> InHisName: The operation succeeded.
[18:43] <InHisName> anyone know of job/career fairs this mon-tues-wed ?
[18:54] <knightzero> No knowledge on fairs so to speak, but what field are you looking at, InHisName?
[18:57] <knightzero> If you are looking for IT field work, and don't mind the combination of contract work and helpdesk, my agency might have an opening that fits your requirements.
[18:58] <knightzero> I know that there's some hiring going on for my location at some point in the near future.
[19:03] <InHisName> knightzero: where in PA might that be. I'm near Doylestown.   Approx 23mi NORTH of CC.
[19:12] <knightzero> The office I work for is in Oaks, PA.  However, I know that the company I contract through has customers all over the tri-state area.
[19:17] <knightzero> For the location that I work in, you'd be looking at about 25 miles - the commute may or may not be worth it, depending on how much you like driving.
[19:25] <jrmy> anyone on?
[19:25] <ChinnoDog> We are all "on"...
[19:26] <jrmy> right..
[19:26] <jrmy> been awhile..
[19:26] <ChinnoDog> It has.
[19:26] <jrmy> anyways my os seems to be messed up and i wonder if theres a way to reinstall it without a cd
[19:26] <InHisName> OK, now I've updated grub 2  a few times and have added more pixels and a background.
[19:26] <jrmy> liek revert it to a fresh state
[19:27] <InHisName> Still need to add 2nd primary partition on sda1 to discover win2008, or do I need to hand code it ?
[19:27] <ChinnoDog> jrmy: What exactly is wrong with it?
[19:28] <jrmy> ChinnoDog: well it failed updating
[19:28] <jrmy> think it has a few other problems
[19:28] <ChinnoDog> That doesn't sound like a very good reason to reinstall. Why don't you just fix it?
[19:28] <InHisName> I had that, and finally fixed mine last night.
[19:29] <jrmy> thought i'd just make it easier
[19:29] <InHisName> It was hanging just after 'checking battery status'  ??? it was a desktop.
[19:29] <ChinnoDog> Reinstalling isn't easier. Just fix it.
[19:30] <ChinnoDog> jrmy: first fix your updates. What is happening?
[19:30] <jrmy> not sure..
[19:30] <InHisName> does it finish booting to something usable ?
[19:31] <jrmy> idk.. i'll try upadting again..
[19:33] <jrmy> ChinnoDog: it says that some of the packages cant be recieved from the servers
[19:34] <jrmy> i dont know what packages so i dont know if i want to ignore them.. maybe theyre old and the servers are not existent
[19:34] <jrmy> its been forever since i used this thing
[19:36] <ChinnoDog> Do a 'sudo apt-get update' from the command line
[19:36] <ChinnoDog> It should tell you which sources are broken
[19:36] <jrmy> well first im installing the updates it did get
[19:36] <jrmy> and i hit yes on ignore so idk if it will show them
[19:37] <jrmy> ok im restarting
[19:54] <jrmy> should i have updates in the update manager when i do the upadte in terminal?
[19:54] <jrmy> and in terminal there isnt any new
[19:54] <jrmy> idk im confused
[19:55] <jrmy> is it possible i have a virus?
[19:55] <InHisName> no updates, maybe you are all updated now
[19:56] <jrmy> but im updating from the update manager right now
[19:56] <jrmy> however with sudo apt-get update there are none
[19:56] <ChinnoDog> jrmy: you don't understand the command you are running
[19:56] <jrmy> gotcha
[19:56] <ChinnoDog> 'sudo apt-get update' downloads the list of packages from all of your sources
[19:57] <jrmy> ive been away too long
[19:57] <ChinnoDog> 'sudo apt-get upgrade' is what installs new packages
[19:57] <jrmy> oh
[19:57] <ChinnoDog> So if 'sudo apt-get update' returns without errors, then run the upgrade
[19:57] <jrmy> well i assume thats what im doing with the ubuntu update manager
[19:58] <ChinnoDog> Sort of, but update manager won't dump out all the errors fror you
[19:58] <jrmy> well so far i havent gotten anymore arrors
[19:59] <jrmy> however when i restarted the screen went black.. left it for liek that for awhile then hit trh power switch.. (was still booting and updating.. had an error message or 2 idk) powered it back on and yeah no errors so far
[20:00] <jrmy> brb
[20:01] <ChinnoDog> That is probably a power management glitch
[20:02] <jrmy> back
[20:03] <jrmy> the computer is old
[20:03] <jrmy> guess i'll run sudo apt-get upgrade after it installs the stuff
[20:08] <InHisName> My server install from sat, is doing the 'upgrade' now.   I have LOTS and LOTS of things upgrading.
[20:10] <jrmy> sheesh
[20:10] <InHisName> Oh it just finished.
[20:11] <jrmy> do you have slow internet?
[20:13] <jrmy> ChinnoDog: i think my sound drivers are gone
[20:13] <ChinnoDog> "gone"?
[20:13] <jrmy> no.. wait just looks liek the sound was muted.. lol
[20:14] <jrmy> ok i'll restart again since it says i have to and do the upgrade via terminal
[20:14] <InHisName> on my repaired linux, for 1st time the sound did NOT go away after a version upgrade.
[20:17] <InHisName> any grubbers around ?
[20:20] <jrmy> guess its fine now
[20:21] <jrmy> nothing needs to be updated or upgraded apparently
[20:26] <InHisName> 485 passed ?
[20:26] <InHisName> scratch that
[20:27] <jedijf> < jedijf> grub2?
[20:27] <jedijf> 15:26 < Pacs_Bot> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[20:27] <PennBot> Title: Grub2 - Community Ubuntu Documentation (at help.ubuntu.com)
[20:29] <ChinnoDog> jrmy: anything else broken?
[20:31] <jrmy> ChinnoDog: not that i know of
[20:39] <jrmy> how do i change the audio device?
[20:43] <jrmy> cant seem to find it
[20:43] <jrmy> as it seems i have power to my onboard audio but nothing comes out
[20:44] <jrmy> maybe this is missing
[20:55] <jrmy> well im following a thing on this site to update the alsa driver i guess
[20:55] <jrmy> dunno if it'll fix it
[20:58] <jedijf> lamalex: i want some
[20:58] <jedijf> like, immediately
[20:58] <jedijf> even properly named
[20:58] <lamalex> jedijf,  you want some what?
[20:58] <jedijf> eggplant
[20:58] <lamalex> ha oh
[20:58] <lamalex> eggplant parmejawn sandwich would be bitchin
[20:59] <lamalex> and so messy
[20:59] <jrmy> what does eggplant taste like?
[20:59] <jedijf> about a month ago i was at a diner (surprise) and had a taste for eggplant....well eggplant was $60 per case so they didn't have any.....lame
[21:00] <jedijf> jrmy: chicken, of course
[21:00] <jrmy> lol
[21:01] <lamalex> i'm thinking about cooking up some eggplant tonight
[21:12] <InHisName> yum!
[21:27] <jrmy> so hows things in PA?
[21:31] <InHisName> ok, but jobs still hard to get hold of.
[21:40] <InHisName> The "Windows Recovery (loader)" option in grub 2, apparently is NOT a recovery partition but the boot for Win2008.
[21:43] <InHisName> How come grub comes up with that name ?     I gave in and tried it when hd0,2 wouldn't boot or be found.   hd0.1 booted just fine as before.       When I rebooted again, and pressed nothing, default was still linux server.
[23:22] <InHisName> I've booted into linux server and the two nics are reversed from what I origionally setup.   I want to reverse the info between the two nics.  Where to find it at ?   a xyz.conf file ?
[23:23] <jedijf> switch the cables
[23:24] <InHisName> I did.  now to switch the data to follow the moved cables.
[23:24] <InHisName> the settings for eth1 is in eth0 and vice versa
[23:24] <jedijf> switch cables /one/ more time
[23:25] <InHisName> NO already did that to set windows back correct.   I want to learn more of the ubuntu side of adjusting things this time.
[23:28] <InHisName> mostly need to find where default gateway is set for eth0 and remove it to eth1
[23:28] <InHisName> maybe dns settings too.
[23:29] <InHisName> kids home, itermittent till 9pm
[23:29] <jedijf> cat 70-persistent-net.rules
[23:30] <jedijf> in /etc/udev/rules.d ^^^ InHisName
[23:30] <jedijf> put mac address in right spot..../etc/init.d/networking restart


[06:56] <EugenMayer> blackboxsw that was exactly my question, thank you a lot! Oddly i can neither get v1 or v2 to add metric based routes during cloud init (in open stack)
[18:41] <splash> Hello, has anyone been able to get cloud-init working with Terraform in a vSphere environment? For me, Terraform successfully supplies the needed metadata, and userdata files. However, cloud-init is not configuring anything with those files


[02:43] <Umeaboy> Hi! I have a bunch of po's that I want to upload so some programs get translated a bit or fully. Where can I upload for proofreading?


[01:43] <Demon_Jester> Hey guys if anyone can help me out, whenever I do something (updating via ssh, using screen to work on a task, etc..) it causes my ssh to crash, and I have to reboot the pc to bring up openssh server, I am on xubuntu 14.04.2 LTS is there a bug with this?
[02:30] <Legendre>  hody folks
[02:30]  * Legendre has returned
[02:31] <knome> q
[02:31] <knome> oops, wrong window.
[02:31] <knome> (hello)
[02:35] <[TiZ]> Hi, I'm using Xubuntu 14.04, and Thunar suddenly stopped automatically refreshing on filesystem changes. I'm not sure when this started happening. What should I do about this?
[02:35] <Unit193> [TiZ]: apt-cache policy thunar  ?
[02:36] <[TiZ]> Unit193: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10381400/
[02:37] <Unit193> Well that's not new at all. :)
[02:46] <[TiZ]> ???
[03:31] <brownfaux> so im rolling my own distro of xbuntu. I really wanted a distro that had ruby / rails/ and postgres already installed.
[03:31] <brownfaux> heres the problem. Everything is fine and I'm using RBEnv for everything
[03:32] <brownfaux> so when I roll the distro out and try it, it says that rbenv is disabled and need an admin... wtf?
[03:32] <brownfaux> I try to sudo in an enable, but it won't accept my admin pass, I'm confused.
[03:32] <brownfaux> thoughts?
[09:13] <littlebit> hi people, I have an hp officejet 6500 connected to my avmfritzbox via usb.  I intalled the printer on xubuntu without any problems. but I cannot reach the scanning functions of it. Any ideas?
[10:28] <|zer0|> Good evening all, Question: just rebooted my linux server after having it on for the past month and notice it did not ask for my passphrase for disk encryption.  Is there anything that could have disabled it?
[10:33] <StevenTheHorse> Hmmm~
[10:34] <StevenTheHorse> Pretty sure it's unacceptable to ban someone from the operator help channel, the off topic channel, and the main channel
[13:22] <remline> If I install a second desktop environment, will Xubuntu automatically prompt me to select between environments on startup?
[13:23] <cfhowlett> remline, nope.  it'll default to the previous selection.
[13:23] <remline> cfhowlett, thanks, how will that default selection be made?
[13:24] <cfhowlett> remline, you can select DE at the login screen.  click on the icon
[13:25] <remline> cfhowlett, that makes sense. Right now it auto-logins into xfce. Will I need to disable auto-login?
[13:25] <cfhowlett> remline, yep.  otherwise you don't get the option at login screen.
[15:48] <sergioad> Hello
[15:53] <sergioad> It is secure to update my Xubuntu's GTK GNOME 3.14? I want to get the most actual stuff
[15:56] <brainvvash_> sergioad, it may break app functionality and the theme appearance
[15:56] <sergioad> I see :(
[15:58] <sergioad> why Xubuntu has not up to date GTK and has the Unity menubar patches? Ubuntu will change GTK to Qt and wee will have an unefficient desktop all by fault of our main edition
[16:00] <sergioad> and this will not only affect to Xubuntu, it will affect to Ubuntu GNOME Ubuntu MATE Lubuntu Linux mint and all the Ubuntu derivates
[16:04] <brainvvash_> Unity 8 uses the Qt framwork, but this does not affect GTK
[16:04] <brainvvash_> framework
[16:04] <sergioad> I know but we will still having old GNOME versions and all the awfull Unity patches / dependencies?
[16:05] <brainvvash_> you will always have to use the latest ubuntu release to enjoy a fairly up-to-date GTK version
[16:06] <brainvvash_> the unity specific patches may be dropped in the future
[16:06] <sergioad> Cool :)
[16:06] <brainvvash_> once unity 8 is the default (and only) unity version around
[16:07] <sergioad> and we will be able to enjoy a more actual GNOME releases?
[16:07] <brainvvash_> maybe
[16:08] <sergioad> for example other distributions including DEBIAN (and I said debian with uppercase letters because it is amazing) has Gnome 3.14 RIGHT NOW
[16:09] <sergioad> the unity's special requeriments are doing bad thing to GNOME on Ubuntu
[16:09] <brainvvash_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0
[16:10] <brainvvash_> ubuntu 15.04 has update most of the gnome apps to 3.14
[16:10] <brainvvash_> updated
[16:11] <sergioad> indeed but it will be released when GNOME 3.16 will be a normal thing
[16:11] <brainvvash_> some may still lag behind
[16:11] <brainvvash_> well, that's ubuntu.. stability instead of bleeding edge
[16:12] <sergioad> well true :)
[16:12] <brainvvash_> but this discussion is offtopic :)
[16:12] <sergioad> BTW somebody has tried Vivaldi?
[16:12] <sergioad> I loved it :)
[16:13] <brainvvash_> that's also offtopic
[16:13] <brainvvash_> !ot
[16:14] <sergioad> true :)
[18:13] <fiatjaf> If I install things and change files while running "try xubuntu without installing" from a usb stick, will it keep my files and everything after reboot?
[18:23] <knome> fiatjaf, no
[18:23] <fiatjaf> knome: is there a way to have a totally portable xubuntu like this?
[18:24] <fiatjaf> can I really install it on the usb stick?
[18:24] <knome> yes, and/or you can add a persistence partition for the USB installer
[18:33] <fiatjaf> thank you, knome
[18:33] <knome> np
[18:55] <osama_bin_badboy> whats up bitches!
[18:56] <knome> sorry?
[18:56] <xubuntu96w> Hi there. Am new to Xunbutu and glad to be part of the community
[18:57] <knome> xubuntu96w, welcome
[18:57] <xubuntu96w> I'd like to know how to download Utorrent on my computer
[18:57] <sergioad> hello
[18:57] <sergioad> how can I update my OS?
[18:57] <knome> sergioad, which xubuntu version are you running?
[18:57] <osama_bin_badboy> sudo update
[18:57] <knome> osama_bin_badboy, nope.
[18:59] <sergioad> 14.10, plaining to update to 15.04 alpha2
[18:59] <knome> xubuntu96w, there are several other torrent clients in the repositories, do you specifically need utorrent?
[19:00] <xubuntu96w> was used to that one...maybe I shall use another version, not Xunbutu but Unbutu 13.04 or something
[19:00] <knome> sergioad, since you want to upgrade to a development version, i must make sure you know it's at your own risk and that you should always take backups before upgrading
[19:00] <sergioad> yep I know
[19:01] <sergioad> :)
[19:01] <knome> sergioad, that being said, running 'update-manager -d' or 'do-release-upgrade -d' (with sudo) should do the trick
[19:01] <knome> sergioad, for GUI and CLI, respectively
[19:01] <sergioad> thanks friend
[19:01] <knome> xubuntu96w, you can use the ubuntu package for xubuntu
[19:01] <osama_bin_badboy> I have to reboot.   Be right back.
[19:02] <xubuntu96w> what is this package and where can I find it?
[19:02] <knome> xubuntu96w, just make sure you select the right ubuntu version - also, please remember that since you install that from outside the repositories, there's no support for that
[19:03] <knome> xubuntu96w, you'll need to follow instructions on the utorrent website or their support channels
[19:03] <xubuntu96w> Ok. thanks for your help
[19:04] <knome> you're welcome
[21:57] <xubuntu619> ..
[21:58] <xubuntu619> voi sapete se la versione xubuntu ha gli stessi software di ubuntu
[21:58] <xubuntu619> a me serve usare muse score..sapete se c'è in Xubuntu?
[21:58] <Unit193> !it | xubuntu619
[21:59] <xubuntu619> i need to use Muse score in my XUBUNTU, but i don't know if the software for ubuntu and xubuntu is the same?
[22:02] <Unit193> xubuntu619: Sure is.
[22:03] <xubuntu619> Unit193, so i can,,thankyou very much.
[23:35] <garrie> Hey guys.
[23:36] <garrie> I'm in the UK, so I've set my keyboard to UK layout. However, at the login screen, my computer reverts to US layout.
[23:36] <garrie> How do I ensure that the keyboard layout is UK throughout?


[12:33] <kamstrup> Happy new year everyone :-) I am having a most odd issue installing from a usb stick to my netbook. It started all the way back in Karmic and has been a regression ever since. The problem is that the installer believes it lives on sda1, but really it runs on sdb1 (my normal ext3 hd is on sda)
[12:33] <kamstrup> I've been dumping stuff on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/437661, but the crux of the matter appears to be ^^
[12:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 437661 in linux (Ubuntu) "Input/output error mounting /casper-rw-backing on HP Mini (affects: 1) (heat: 9)" [Undecided,New]