[00:00] <ubotu> New bug: #183372 in launchpad "Mailman's qrunner doesn't provide any way to be monitored" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183372
[00:12] <rxKaffee> hi guys, I've been browsing the launchpad.net site, considering moving my project into there... but I need forum and mailing list, are either of these provided?
[00:12] <rxKaffee> I can't seem to locate either on the site
[00:14] <Rinchen> rxKaffee, mailing lists will be coming soon. :-)
[00:14] <Rinchen> ain't that right barry? :-)
[00:15] <rxKaffee> no plans for forums?
[00:15] <Rinchen> Launchpad specific, no.
[00:15] <rxKaffee> forum software is such a hastle to manage :/
[00:16] <Rinchen> The forums requests we've gotten so far have been solved with the Ubuntu Forums
[00:16] <Rinchen> yeah, it is :-)
[00:16] <rxKaffee> just about a full time job watching out that ya forum doesn't get pwned
[00:16] <rxKaffee> ubuntu forums host non-ubuntu projects?
[00:16] <Rinchen> typically no but they have some special categories
[00:17] <rxKaffee> ah ok
[00:17] <rxKaffee> any eta on the mail lists?
[00:17] <Rinchen> They are in internal testing
[00:17] <Rinchen> so, soon :-)
[00:17] <Rinchen> i.e. real code vs promise-ware
[00:17] <rxKaffee> heh
[00:18] <rxKaffee> alrighty, thanks for the infs Rinchen
[00:18] <Rinchen> Glad to help.
[00:18] <Rinchen> You could create a project now and test it out while you wait for the additional features
[00:18] <Rinchen> setup code imports and the like
[00:32] <Manfre> I am trying to set up a project and can't figure out how to remove a series and branch I created while testing
[00:32] <Manfre> can anyone point me to information on how this can be done?
[00:35] <Rinchen> Manfre, you need an admin to remove the series I believe.
[00:35]  * Rinchen hunts around
[00:36] <Rinchen> Manfre, yeah, best to file a question about that against the Launchpad project
[00:37] <Manfre> ok..thanks
[00:37] <Rinchen> Manfre, for branches we don't usually remove them. We just set the appropriate status
[00:37] <Rinchen> however you can disassociate the branch from the project and it will only appear in your listing
[00:38] <Rinchen> i.e. in the CODE tab under your account
[00:38] <Manfre> ok
[00:38] <Rinchen> and then you can set the appropriate status.
[00:38] <Manfre> does that work with series too?
[00:39] <Rinchen> You can edit the series to remove the working branch I believe
[00:39] <Manfre> yeah, i have no branches on a series and I'm wondering if it is possible to remove the series from the list on the project page
[00:40] <Rinchen> I have that same problem too. Unlike a milestone, you can't.
[00:40] <Rinchen> You can rename it though
[00:40] <Rinchen> A milestone you can mark inactive
[00:41] <Manfre> okay..i have them renamed and i guess i can reuse them at a later date
[00:41] <Rinchen> or you can submit a question and someone with admin access will remove
[00:41] <Rinchen> it
[00:42]  * Rinchen has tried hard not to begin admin access. :-)
[00:42] <Rinchen> s/begin/be given/
[01:55] <ubotu> New bug: #183399 in launchpad "Launchpad repeat actions in "Show karma summary"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183399
[02:55] <poolie> mpt: bug colors, yay!
[07:16] <iblastoff> hm when you're choosing assignee, drafter, approver etc, is there anyway to have a list of team members show up instead of just a search box?
[07:16] <somerville32> iblastoff, not atm
[07:16] <somerville32> iblastoff, Maybe you should file a bug :)
[07:25] <iblastoff> also, is there a way to move a blueprint from say a branch to another branch?
[07:25] <iblastoff> seems like i can only move them to a completely different project
[07:38] <somerville32> I think you just change the goal
[07:50] <iblastoff> ahh i see thanks
[07:50] <ubotu> New bug: #183451 in launchpad-bazaar "Create a branch widget that will create a mirrored branch or refer to an existing branch" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183451
[08:12] <carlos> morning
[08:12] <Hobbsee> morning carlos
[08:25] <carlos> Hobbsee: hey, how's going?
[08:25] <Hobbsee> carlos: reasonably well.  pondering taking a break from ubuntu though
[08:26] <somerville32> Hobbsee, :O
[08:26] <carlos> I hope it's just to focus in other more urgent tasks instead of something wrong in Ubuntu side...
[08:26] <Hobbsee> carlos: frustration with ubuntu and launchpad, i'm afraid.
[08:27] <Hobbsee> maybe to do and do some stuff on debian eventually.  i'm not sure.
[08:28] <carlos> I'm sorry to hear that... although keep working on debian is still a good thing
[08:29]  * Hobbsee has the problem that some of the stuff she wants access to is slowly getting implemented in launchpad, but it's still quite buggy, and the bugs never seem to end up getting fixed, because of the few people who use the features in question.
[08:29] <Hobbsee> and so it gets bumped down as other (more important, due to more people) stuff gets implemented first.
[08:30] <carlos> unfortunately, that's the problem with limited resources :-(
[08:30] <Hobbsee> which leads to varying levels of frustration, and the problem of not being able to do certain tasks that one would like to be doing, which suggests looking at doing stuff elsewhere.
[08:31] <Hobbsee> yeah well.  there are varying solutions to that.
[08:31] <Hobbsee> i can understand why the stuff happens, so, the question that i'm pondering is what do i do about it
[08:32] <Hobbsee> which, if i want to actually do some of the stuff, involves leaving ubuntu.
[08:36] <carlos> Well, I'm not sure whether I could help here but you should take the best decision for yourself, although if it's leaving Ubuntu, we will miss you ;-)
[08:37] <carlos> Hobbsee: btw, which bugs are the ones that affect you?
[08:37] <Hobbsee> carlos: it's mainly ppa/soyuz stuff.
[08:37] <Hobbsee> it's archive-admin based, in particular
[08:38] <carlos> Hobbsee: oh, I thought it was more related with bugs interface...
[08:39] <Hobbsee> carlos: no, that works reasonably well enough.  bryce even made a nice script for adding tags while filing bugs - i've not used it yet though
[08:40] <carlos> Hobbsee: the soyuz team was looking for a new developer to handle the workload and I think they are going to get it soon, so maybe the situation would improve
[08:40] <carlos> Hobbsee: did you talk with mrevell about this?
[08:41] <Hobbsee> carlos: somewhat, yes
[08:45] <Hobbsee> carlos: the problem is a manpower problem, nto undersatnding what the problem is.  therefore, there's not much use.
[08:47] <carlos> well, mrevell's job is not just to understand the problem but to help you, the community, to get it solved
[08:47] <carlos> of course, if is possible
[09:01] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[09:33] <rjek> How long do CVS imports to launchpad generally take?  wxLua's been going for the best part of 24 hours now.
[09:43] <Nafallo> http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy-security/Release: Unable to find expected entry  web/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[09:43] <Nafallo> http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/Release: Unable to find expected entry  web/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[09:43] <Nafallo> http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy-updates/Release: Unable to find expected entry  web/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[09:43] <Nafallo> soyuz issue?
[10:00] <BjornT> Nafallo: when do you get that error?
[10:02] <Nafallo> BjornT: apt-get update :-/
[10:02] <Hobbsee> Nafallo: is it transient?
[10:03] <Nafallo> Hobbsee: as in only occuring once? no, reproducable
[10:03] <bigjools> it's fine here
[10:04] <bigjools> Nafallo: are you behind a transparent proxy?
[10:04] <bigjools> or any proxy
[10:04] <Nafallo> no, only nat
[10:05] <Nafallo> removing the /var/lib/apt/lists didn't help
[10:05] <bigjools> weird - try removing the "gb." from your sources.lists entries
[10:05] <bigjools> also try wget on the files to see if they are corrupted
[10:07] <Nafallo> didn't help
[10:07] <bigjools> I just hit both of those archives and they're fine
[10:08] <bigjools> hmm what is "web" ?
[10:09] <Hobbsee> Nafallo: take the "web" out of your /etc/apt/sources.list :)
[10:10] <Nafallo> hmm
[10:10] <Hobbsee> Nafallo: ie, deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted web --> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted
[10:10] <Nafallo> how the HELL did that end up in there?
[10:10] <Hobbsee> same for security.
[10:10] <Nafallo> and why didn't I check that? :-P
[10:10] <Hobbsee> Nafallo: NFI, but it happened to someone in october, too
[10:10] <Hobbsee> Nafallo: i have no idea why you didn't JFGI.
[10:10] <Nafallo> hehe
[10:10] <Hobbsee> (that's how i found it)
[10:11] <Hobbsee> bigjools: problem solved :)
[10:12] <bigjools> if only I'd read the actual error :)
[10:12] <Hobbsee> well, that tends to help, yes
[10:14] <Nafallo> same here ;-)
[10:14] <Nafallo> I blame update-manager anyway.
[10:15] <Nafallo> I'm not sure why, but I haven't touched the thing :-P
[10:29] <albertop> hi all!
[10:30] <albertop> I've just send a mail to replay to a bug report<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:31] <albertop> Why the attachment (the error log) was not included into the bug report available online?
[10:31] <Hobbsee> albertop: did you sign it?
[10:32] <albertop> no
[10:32] <Hobbsee> that's why, then.
[10:33] <Hobbsee> you need to gpg sign it
[10:33]  * Hobbsee curses blinken, and tries again
[10:34] <albertop> ok. can I modify the incomplete bug report?
[10:34] <albertop> I have to include the log
[10:34] <geser> Hobbsee: does attaching per email work now? last I heard was that it doesn't work
[10:35] <Hobbsee> geser: no idea
[10:35] <Hobbsee> albertop: if you need to add attachments, i think i'ts still required to do it by the web UI
[10:36] <albertop> ok. so it's better to add a comment with the attachment, right?
[10:36] <kiko> good morning
[10:37] <Hobbsee> yeah
[10:37] <Hobbsee> morning kiko
[10:37] <kiko> Hobbsee!
[10:37] <Hobbsee> kiko!
[10:37] <Hobbsee> kiko: how goes it?
[12:10] <ubotu> New bug: #183490 in launchpad "Nexenta "Uses Launchpad for: Nothing", but that's untrue" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183490
[12:10] <ubotu> New bug: #183491 in rosetta "Don't create empty is_imported TranslationMessages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183491
[13:07] <rjek> Does anybody know how long CVS imports to launchpad take?  The wxLua one's been running for over a day, I think.
[14:40] <ubotu> New bug: #183531 in rosetta "Translation contributor shown as a Launchpad user when they're not" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183531
[15:31] <ubotu> New bug: #183540 in rosetta "Import fails with "iterable argument required"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183540
[15:32] <Manfre> before I start messing around and break something...i have a vcs import set for my series "trunk", now when I create a branch, I would select Hosted and enter the http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/... url?
[18:11] <Rinchen> Bug #178536
[18:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 178536 in sbuild "Preinstalled Build-Depends not properly detected" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178536
[18:15] <ubotu> New bug: #183584 in malone "Give karma for assigning bugs to packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183584
[18:26] <UnNaturalHigh> Bug #183588
[18:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 183588 in linux "[hardy] linux-image-2.6.24-4-generic - spurious 8259A interrupt: IRQ7 - Driver b43 - Driver sis900" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183588
[19:29] <dantalizing> does PPA automagically build source packages that are uploaded to produce binaries?
[19:29] <dantalizing> hey statik, hows it going?
[19:31] <statik> dantalizing: hi there. yes, a PPA mean you can upload a source package and it gets built into binary packages for different platforms
[19:32] <dantalizing> statik: why dont we see in in -fl anymore?
[19:32] <statik> dantalizing: forgot to /join, I guess
[21:48] <DarkMageZ> hey, i'm getting a 404 on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/evolution/2.21.4-0ubuntu1/+files/evolution_2.21.4-0ubuntu1.diff.gz :( it's a link on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/2.21.4-0ubuntu1
[21:56] <Rinchen> DarkMageZ, sure enough, that file doesn't exist but appears on the download page
[21:57] <DarkMageZ> it existed yesterday
[21:58] <Rinchen> hmm.  I don't know enough about this page (+source) to know why. But I'm going to ask about it because I'm interested.
[22:02] <Rinchen> DarkMageZ, I believe they are automatically built up when the build runs but it's not my area of expertise. I've asked the question. If you're on tomorrow, give me a ping.
[23:02] <the_belgain> hi there - i've got a quick question about PPAa
[23:03] <the_belgain> i'm trying to upload packages of the same software for hardy and gutsy, but when i try and upload the second one it gets rejected
[23:10] <the_belgain> i get the following error: MD5 sum of uploaded file does not match existing file in archive
[23:12] <somerville32> the_belgain, Do you understand that error?
[23:13] <the_belgain> i understand what it's saying - but the uploaded file *should* be different, as the gutsy version has some differences with the hardy one?
[23:14] <somerville32> Right but the original tarball should be the same if it is the same version
[23:15] <the_belgain> i've just differed them on my box and they are the same though
[23:16] <stdin> it's because you need to give it a different release number than the one you already uploaded
[23:16] <stdin> something like: <package>_<version>-<release>~gutsy1
[23:17] <the_belgain> i've specified <use>/ubuntu/gutsy as the upload dir, and specified gutsy as the distribution in debian/changelog
[23:17] <the_belgain> it needs a different version number too?
[23:17] <the_belgain> how come? is that just a limitation of PPA?
[23:17] <stdin> doesn't matter where you upload, it doesn't upload directly to the archive
[23:18] <stdin> it's because you only have one /pool/ so the package would have the same file name for both releases
[23:18] <the_belgain> right - so it just looks at the dist in the debian/changelog to determine what archive to put it into?
[23:18] <stdin> yes
[23:18] <the_belgain> ok, thanks
[23:19] <stdin> you already uploaded the .dsc and .diff.gz with the same names, so LP things something strange is happening if they don't match
[23:21] <rjek> How long do CVS imports to Launchpad take?  wxLua's been going for the best part of 48 hours.
[23:21] <somerville32> rjek, link?
[23:27] <the_belgain> ok, that's worked thanks
[23:27] <the_belgain> do the builds take a long time to happen?
[23:27] <somerville32> depends on the load
[23:28] <rjek> somerville32: http://launchpad.net/wxlua/trunk
[23:29] <somerville32> rjek, hmm.. maybe you didn't set it up correctly.
[23:29] <somerville32> I don't find it does very good error checking
[23:31] <rjek> Surely if I had not set it up correctly, the moderator would have noticed?
[23:38] <somerville32> rjek, What moderator? :P
[23:41] <elmo> rjek: I don't think anyone's around right now, who'd know, you might be better of asking a question in the answer tracker on the 'Launchpad' project/product
[23:45] <rjek> somerville32: The one it says will check it before doing a test import :-p
[23:45] <rjek> elmo: I'll try that, thanks.


[08:17] <xnox> TheMuso: i'm thinking on exit, reset the keys to their default values?
[19:31] <slowe> Quick question: is it normal/expected for a local network install via HTTP to change /etc/apt/sources.list to show only the internal HTTP server?
[20:01] <infinity> slowe: sources.list after a network install will always be populated with the server you installed from, yes.
[20:01] <infinity> slowe: (Unless you pre-seed a different mirror)
[20:02] <slowe> infinity: Pre-seeding with an external mirror pulls the files from the external mirror, defeating the purpose of installing locally, yes? Any workarounds other than replacing sources.list after install or setting up your own local mirror?
[20:04] <infinity> slowe: I think there's a way to preseed what apt-setup will do after the initial install, but I could be wrong.  I'm not a preseed wizard.  A next best option would be a late_command that twiddles sources.list
[20:24] <GrueMaster> Twiddling sources.list is how I used to deploy systems with a netboot install.
[20:24] <GrueMaster> Very simple to do.
[20:37] <slowe> GrueMaster: Thanks, I'll look into it. Much appreciated.
[20:38] <slowe> infinity: Thanks for your help. I'll have a closer look at using a late_command to modify sources.list as you (and others) suggested. Appreciate the help.
[22:37] <TheMuso> xnox: Yes that would be acceptable.