[00:00] <k1l_> the package manager accepts any .deb package you install. a computer is a dumb machine. you still need to think yourself
[00:00] <OerHeks> As the packagemanager cannot confirm it will install, it asks you that question.
[00:00] <EriC^^> do you think we are ubuntu developers and in particular the software manager department?
[00:00] <computerquip> EriC^^, I never even claimed as such.
[00:01] <EriC^^> computerquip: you're questions wrap around that
[00:01] <EriC^^> *your
[00:01] <computerquip> No it doesn't.
[00:01] <computerquip> My question was basic and wondering if there was reasoning for the behavior.
[00:02] <daftykins> computerquip: i do see the problem - and it's with you and your plans
[00:02] <daftykins> !13.10
[00:02] <daftykins> been dead a long time, saucy.
[00:05] <EriC^^> computerquip: we can't troubleshoot unsupported/frankenstein setups, it's a journey you'll have to partake in yourself, but don't go on about not getting a direct answer to your questions here
[00:06] <EriC^^> computerquip: you've been given 2 commands and a link, apt-get -f install , dpkg -i <package>, and a link above to a thread
[00:06] <Jordan_U> t-dubs:
[00:06] <Jordan_U> t-dubs: Please run "pastebinit /cdrom/boot/grub/grub.cfg" and post the URL that it outputs.
[00:07] <JustNeedHelp> I need help. Can someone give me a link to downloading ubuntu
[00:07] <k1l_> !downloads | JustNeedHelp
[00:07] <k1l_> !download | JustNeedHelp
[00:07] <JustNeedHelp> thx
[00:07] <OerHeks> JustNeedHelp, or use torrents ? http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[00:08] <JustNeedHelp> brb in a hour or so
[00:09] <rpp601> hey guys what command will tell me what kind of processor i have
[00:09] <Jordan_U> rpp601: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[00:10] <montetobuso> can anyone point me to a good channel to get some help with mint?
[00:10] <EriC^^> !mint  | montetobuso
[00:10] <montetobuso> thank you very much!
[00:11] <EriC^^> no problem
[00:11] <cluelessperson> I'm very suddenly having a problem with ubuntu for apparently no reason.  It was stuck at GRUB, no countdown, and now I have a blinking cursor
[00:11] <cluelessperson> won't bootup
[00:12] <rpp601> what would be better? An intel core2 duo @ 1.86ghz or a pentium 4 @ 3.2ghz?
[00:12] <daftykins> cluelessperson: reset, hold down left shift, try picking an older kernel
[00:12] <daftykins> rpp601: c2d
[00:12] <EriC^^> cluelessperson: you don't get grub anymore?
[00:12] <rpp601> daftykins: for gaming as well?
[00:12] <daftykins> rpp601: yep
[00:12] <OerHeks> p4 is single core.
[00:12] <rpp601> daftykins: i thought so, thx
[00:12] <genii> Check to see that there are not stray USB sticks or other possible boot things attached
[00:12] <cluelessperson> EriC^^: I did, but I had to hit enter, it's supposed to boot auto  . wtf is it suddenly screwing up for
[00:12] <k1l_> rpp601: dont think of gaming with that old cpus :)
[00:13] <rpp601> OerHeks: i know but i had to ask because 1.86 vs 3.2ghz was such a big differenc34
[00:13] <cluelessperson> daftykins:   I did, now it said  "busybox" ubuntu built in shell (initramfs)
[00:13] <rpp601> k1l_: i'm poor :) i'm talking older games here
[00:13] <cluelessperson> blinking cursor
[00:13] <OerHeks> rpp601, multimedia wants a 2nd core ..
[00:13] <EriC^^> cluelessperson: check what genii said
[00:13] <daftykins> ^
[00:13] <cluelessperson> genii: There are none
[00:14] <daftykins> rpp601: yeah, clock speed is a measure of opportunity - not guaranteed action :) so very far apart hardware timewise there, they cannot be compared by clock speed
[00:14] <EriC^^> cluelessperson: did you try a different kernel maybe?
[00:14] <cluelessperson> EriC^^: No, I was running some production stuff off this and at the very least need to retrieve the database off it
[00:15] <cluelessperson> This has been running for weeks, I don't understand why it just fucks up now for no reason
[00:15] <EriC^^> !language
[00:15] <rpp601> daftykins, OerHeks, i'm going get this up to 3gb ram and try and run an older call of duty. it has an nvidia card in it.
[00:15] <daftykins> rpp601: which nvidia card? i don't know about games such as COD under Linux, so not sure how wise that is
[00:16] <EriC^^> cluelessperson: try an older kernel
[00:16] <cluelessperson> EriC^^: I don't know how.  I'm not a sysadmin
[00:16] <EriC^^> it could be a newer kernel was installed, which caused update-grub to update and revert any manual changes that were made
[00:16] <kastan> how would i go about updateing wine
[00:17] <cluelessperson> Why would this one just break
[00:17] <daftykins> kastan: what is "dpkg -l | grep wine" ?
[00:17] <rpp601> daftykins: i was going to put xp on it for the games, the card is a GeForce 7300, LE. So i'd be the C2Duo, 3gb, and the 128mb 7300. I'm hoping for like call of duty 2 or 3 ish.
[00:17] <nicomachus> kastan: should update with the rest of your software in the update manager.
[00:17] <cluelessperson> EriC^^: I don't know how to revert
[00:17] <daftykins> rpp601: is there a reason you're dealing with museum pieces? :)
[00:17] <EriC^^> cluelessperson: i dont know, it might be it, when grub comes, go to advanced and pick an older kernel
[00:18] <kastan> ok thank you
[00:18] <kastan> whats wines limitations
[00:18] <rpp601> daftykins: yes lol. i have no cash to spend on PC's so i deal in donations only. :-/
[00:18] <rpp601> daftykins: it's sad i know.
[00:18] <daftykins> kastan: no you have to run the above command as a step in finding out if your wine is out of date.
[00:18] <kastan> im having trouble opening the most basic exe packages
[00:18] <genii> cluelessperson: There might be something attached which is causing the issue. If I leave an sdcard in the reader of my laptop for instance, I get the identical behaviour you described
[00:19] <kastan> so after i run the command how would i update it to the newest version?
[00:19] <cluelessperson> genii:   Nothing is attached except network cable.  It sits in my cubicle cabinet
[00:19] <nicomachus> kastan: if you run the command that daftykins gave you, it will tell the current version.
[00:19] <nicomachus> kastan: then you can see if you need to update or if it's something else.
[00:20] <daftykins> kastan: one step at a time. show me the answer than we can proceed
[00:20] <genii> cluelessperson: Were the drives recently moved around in the computer?
[00:20] <kastan> im running 1.6.2 and that is not the current version
[00:20] <cluelessperson> genii:   No, this has been sitting in there for weeks untouched, I just came in today and its down
[00:20] <daftykins> kastan: which ubuntu are you on? "cat /etc/issue"
[00:21] <genii> cluelessperson: iT IS BEGINNING TO SOUND LIKE HARDWARE FAILURE OF THE DRIVE
[00:21] <rpp601> daftykins: my tablet is faster than my pc's lol.
[00:21] <genii> oops capslock
[00:22] <daftykins> genii: my ears! :)
[00:22] <genii> heh
[00:22] <nicomachus> rpp601: my phone has more HDD space than my PC. :(
[00:22] <kastan> daftykin: is says no such file or directory
[00:22] <designbybeck_> Could it be the case that some laptops, 6-8 years old are to old for 14.04? and need 12.04 instead???
[00:22] <cluelessperson> genii: Highly doubt that.
[00:22] <daftykins> kastan: what about "lsb_release -a" ?
[00:23] <rpp601> nicomachus: lol i know the feeling.
[00:23] <k1l_> designbybeck_: no
[00:23] <genii> cluelessperson: Are you able to get into the BIOS ? It might be good to enable in there SMART monitoring and then see if during boot it reports that the drive is beginning to fail
[00:23] <nicomachus> rpp601: 1TB HDD is on the way, though!
[00:23] <k1l_> designbybeck_: you might want to look at Lubuntu for old and low hardware
[00:23] <rpp601> nicomachus: me too actually! just ordered one
[00:23] <nicomachus> trying to decide the best way to destroy the worthless 80gb
[00:23] <cluelessperson> genii: Drive beginning to fail wouldn't cause it to just not boot like this
[00:23] <genii> cluelessperson: Regardless of your belief or doubt, the symptoms fit
[00:23] <nicomachus> got mine at micro center for $49.99
[00:23] <rpp601> designbybeck: xubuntu 12.04 is good on my (extra old) old pc
[00:24] <designbybeck_> k1l_, I have two dell laptops I am having fits with! they will not turn on if they've gone to sleep, even after enabling their propreitary broadcom drivers they will not show network
[00:24] <cluelessperson> genii:   ..?
[00:24] <daftykins> rpp601: nicholasalipaz general chat in PM or #ubuntu-offtopic please. support only in here :)
[00:24] <genii> cluelessperson: If bad sectors are where it's supposed to begin the loading the OS, yes
[00:24] <EriC^^> cluelessperson: maybe somebody had manually edited grub to boot a certain disk, and when the kernel updated that caused grub to revert the changes, so now the timeout is set and it can't find the disks either

[00:24] <rpp601> daftykins: sorry boss
[00:24] <designbybeck_> I've been trying Xubuntu 14.04 with these k1l_
[00:24] <daftykins> nicomachus: sorry that was meant to be you in my last line
[00:24] <daftykins> nicholasalipaz: bad highlight, sorry
[00:24] <kastan> daftykin: ubuntu 14.04.1 codename trusty
[00:24] <nicomachus> i got the message anyway. just waiting for the messages to slow down a bit before I ask a couple questions.
[00:24] <daftykins> !info wine trusty
[00:24] <genii> cluelessperson: Does this thing have a DVD or CD drive it can boot from? Might want to boot to a livecd and investigate from there
[00:25] <daftykins> kastan: that is the correct version.
[00:25] <cluelessperson> genii:    .. I'm at a facility that repairs 44,000 machines a month.  this isn't hardware.  This is software.
[00:25] <daftykins> kastan: go chat with the team over in #winehq for why your programs might not be working
[00:25] <kastan> dafykins: ok thank you
[00:25] <user> does anyone know about networking
[00:26] <nicomachus> user: be more specific
[00:26] <daftykins> user: they love it in ##networking
[00:26] <genii> cluelessperson: At any rate, whether the drive is bad or still good, booting to a livecd allows investigating the problem further to narrow down the exact issue
[00:26] <genii> cluelessperson: Additionally, GRUB can be reinstalled from there
[00:26] <user> why do i need to unplug router every day to get net back
[00:27] <daftykins> cluelessperson: 30 seconds to boot a live session and pastebin smartctl's output to check the disk, then you can resume your original idea :)
[00:27] <designbybeck_> I'm downloading Xubuntu12.04.5 and going to try that
[00:27] <genii> user: That might be a better question for the ##hardware channel
[00:27] <user> ok thanks didnt know there was one
[00:27] <nicomachus> user: that is definitely a ##networking or ##hardware question. but it sounds like you have too many devices on one router. They'll be happy to help in ##networking or ##hardware
[00:28] <user> can u have to many
[00:28] <nicomachus> Yes.
[00:30] <nicomachus> daftykins: didn't I get some help from you once with AMD drivers in 14.04?
[00:30] <user> i have same on it for few years. cant work out why need unplug every day
[00:30] <nicomachus> user: ask ##networking or ##hardware
[00:30] <user> how i get that room mate
[00:31] <nicomachus> type /join ##networking or /join ##hardware
[00:31] <genii> user: I used to have a D-Link with same problem. Had to install openwrt on it eventually, it's own firmware had problems
[00:32] <genii> user: But regardless, since it is not an Ubuntu support question, you will get help better suited to your problem in the channels that have been mentioned to you
[00:32] <user> i have netgear running dgteam firmware or is official firmware better
[00:33] <nicomachus> Ok, things have slowed down. I'm can't get the display to scale in the AMD Catalyst Controls. The option is just completely grayed out.
[00:34] <nicomachus> I've tried a few different things, but no luck.
[00:34] <nicomachus> I found a couple support articles, etc but they were for Windows.
[00:34] <daftykins> nicomachus: possibly, there are so many helpees per day i forget though :)
[00:35] <nicomachus> haha, I gotcha.
[00:35] <daftykins> user: other channels please
[00:35] <daftykins> nicomachus: never actually used one directly myself, so no ideas on the CCC i'm afraid
[00:35] <user> ok ok daft
[00:35] <nicomachus> I just need scaling to work. I've spent ~3 weeks setting up this PC to be a home media center, and scaling is the last problem I need to tackle (for now)
[00:37] <daftykins> genii: Sierra asks to send you a coffee btw ;)
[00:37] <nicomachus> VGA works fine (blegh), but HDMI either cuts off part of the screen, or leaves a black edge around it.
[00:37]  * genii sips
[00:38] <daftykins> nicomachus: oh was it you with this tesco screen?
[00:39] <nicomachus> tesco......?
[00:39] <nicomachus> no.
[00:39] <nicomachus> haha. It's a 1080p 32-inch Sony LCD TV hanging on the way
[00:39] <nicomachus> wall not way
[00:40] <daftykins> nicomachus: ah ok, had someone with said hardware the other day. now i was convinced my TV wasn't to blame for overscan issues too, but i dug through the menus deep enough one day to find it
[00:40] <daftykins> nicomachus: although black bars around all 4 sides sounds like underscan :D so just the opposite almost
[00:40] <nicomachus> There's only one option to correct overscan, and it gives 4 different menu options. none resolve.
[00:41] <daftykins> nicomachus: fglrx or fglrx-updates ? repo or manual download?
[00:41] <nicomachus> and it's either overscan or underscan, depending on the settings. I just want to be able to use the scaling option so that I can scale it correct for the settings I want.
[00:41] <daftykins> yeah most TVs just have a 1:1 setting though, then it's done
[00:41] <nicomachus> it's on 1:1.
[00:42] <nicomachus> driver is fglrx-updates
[00:42] <nicomachus> If i use just fglrx, CCC won't even open.
[00:42] <daftykins> weird
[00:42] <Kickasses> Is it worth learning Ubuntu to learn red hat?
[00:42] <nicomachus> tell me about it....
[00:43] <daftykins> does it want to be run with gksu or something? maybe it wants to be so it can manipulate xorg.conf directly
[00:43] <daftykins> Kickasses: nope, you'd learn too much that'd be irrelevant
[00:43] <EriC^^> Kickasses: what's the end goal?
[00:43] <nicomachus> nope, tried that the other night.
[00:43] <Kickasses> Thanks guys
[00:43] <nicomachus> someone on here came to the conclusion that alternatives weren't installed correctly with fglrx
[00:43] <Kickasses> Erm...end goal...to administer red hat networks
[00:43] <daftykins> nicomachus: no ideas then, if it's a new enough card it might want manual downloads - but i'd pick through the /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see if there's a reason for it
[00:43] <EriC^^> Kickasses: centos and fedora are basically red hat
[00:44] <nicomachus> Kickasses: just go straight to redhat.
[00:44] <Kickasses> Thanks Eric
[00:44] <Kickasses> Thought it was debian
[00:44] <Kickasses> Mixed up debian and fedora
[00:44] <Kickasses> Red hat costs tho
[00:45] <nicomachus> what, really?
[00:45] <Kickasses> Doesn't it?
[00:45] <Goose_> YO guys
[00:45] <k1l_> Kickasses: if you ask in here use ubuntu :)  for other comparisons ask in #ubuntu-offtopic or in ##linux
[00:45] <EriC^^> fedora is the same they test stuff in it, centos is a really really stable version
[00:46] <Goose_> Anyone wanna help me out? Everytime I close my laptop, or go into suspend at all, my VPN disconnects. Anyone know how to fix that?
[00:46] <Kickasses> Had trouble in linux
[00:46] <nicomachus> Goose_ no way to fix that, sorry bro
[00:46] <Goose_> Well that's lame.
[00:46] <nicomachus> agreed.
[00:46] <Goose_> I'LL FIND A WAY
[00:46] <nicomachus> unless someone else tells me I'm wrong.
[00:46] <k1l_> Goose_: you cant stay connected whe you go in suspend or standby. you will need to reconnect afterwards.
[00:47] <nicomachus> there's an "autoconnect" option in the network manager, but it doesn't work.
[00:47] <rpp601> what about a cmd to show ram?
[00:47] <Goose_> Isn't there a 3rd party VPN autoconnect?
[00:47] <k1l_> rpp601: "free -m"
[00:47] <nicomachus> I remember there being a bug report about it soon after 14.04 came out.
[00:47] <Goose_> try glances, it shows everything
[00:47] <daftykins> rpp601: cat /proc/meminfo or what k1l_ said
[00:48] <Goose_> weird. I'll look into it and try to find a fix or make one myself
[00:48] <nicomachus> If you find one, Goose_, let me know!
[00:48] <Goose_> Will do man!
[00:48] <Goose_> I'll be back with info! hopefully...
[00:50] <craigbass76> Trying to start a samba fileserver.  /etc/init.d/smbd ?  I start that and see nothing samba related with netstat.
[00:50] <Goose_> I may just try to write a python script to make the network autoconnect to a specific VPN connection
[00:50] <Goose_> Before sending any information it could just connect to the VPN
[00:50] <Kickasses> Groovy goose
[00:50] <Goose_> be back
[00:50] <Kickasses> Showing off python skills
[00:50] <daftykins> craigbass76: sudo service samba start ?
[00:50] <Goose_> emphasis on try
[00:51] <craigbass76> daftykins, nope
[00:51] <Kickasses> Hehe goose, nicely camouflaged
[00:51] <daftykins> craigbass76: what are you 'proving' this via?
[00:52] <ivan_on_trac> I want to use ubuntu server. Database server. Application server.
[00:52] <ivan_on_trac> Others want CentOS, they think it is better, it is a Red Hat for free. However they never used RedHat or CentOS
[00:52] <ivan_on_trac> Any hint or idea. How to maintain that Ubuntu is better.
[00:52] <nicomachus> Goose_: I had a bash on Windows that would disallow any network traffic until I connected the VPN, but it wouldn't autoconnect.
[00:52] <daftykins> ivan_on_trac: there is no 'better'
[00:54] <ivan_on_trac> daftykins: It's true. But between CentOS or Ubuntu. The company does not want to pay subscription.
[00:54] <genii> ivan_on_trac: The Ubuntu documentation and community support. Like we're here now assisting users.
[00:54] <ivan_on_trac> The company never used RedHat or CentOS. I have no experience with them.
[00:54] <Pantsu> ivan_on_trac: hire someone who know what they are doing
[00:54] <phix> hi
[00:55] <Pantsu> that is the best way to maintain it better
[00:55] <phix> can i unlock two encrypted drives at boot time?
[00:55] <Pantsu> phix: depends on the encryption
[00:55] <Pantsu> generally yes
[00:55] <daftykins> ivan_on_trac: CentOS doesn't have a sub to my knowledge, however this topic is irrelevant in here. ask in #linux - this channel is *ubuntu* support only
[00:56] <ivan_on_trac> We use Slackware. And other minor things have utlilizam Ubuntu in the Company. We want to Slackware. And choose from CentOS or Ubuntu.
[00:57] <daftykins> ivan_on_trac: please stop with the off topic chat, i have directed you to join #linux
[00:58] <ivan_on_trac> daftykins: I'm not wondering subscription. I did not say that.
[00:58] <daftykins> ivan_on_trac: you're off topic. please move to #linux or #ubuntu-offtopic - thanks
[00:59] <t-dubs> Hey there, Daftykins, I need some more help..
[00:59] <ivan_on_trac> daftykins: I'm asking only if someone has been there. In having to state a choice.
[00:59] <t-dubs> I feel like a complete dick head for using yopu guys like this..
[01:00] <genii> t-dubs: Language, language, please
[01:00] <t-dubs> OOPs, sorry guys
[01:00] <daftykins> t-dubs: please address the channel in the first instance, sadly i do not know all
[01:01] <daftykins> ivan_on_trac: like i said. off topic. take it to one of those two other channels now please, i will be ignoring you from now on.
[01:01] <nicomachus> daftykins trying to be humble
[01:01] <daftykins> ;)
[01:01] <t-dubs> I know you don't,  daftykins,  but you're still three for three as far as I'm concerned ;)
[01:01] <phix> Pantsu: luks
[01:01] <t-dubs> Anyway, everyone:
[01:02] <t-dubs> I neded help playing video files.
[01:02] <phix> t-dubs: install vlc, done
[01:02] <daftykins> ^
[01:02] <nicomachus> lol
[01:02] <nicomachus> think this would help with my over/underscan? http://askubuntu.com/questions/463406/smaller-screen-after-installing-radeon-driver-from-amds-site
[01:03] <Pantsu> phix: just set up crypttab then
[01:03] <nicomachus> the second answer, not the first.
[01:03] <t-dubs> OK, so, Daftyknis: sudo apt-get install <vlc>?
[01:03] <daftykins> !info vlc
[01:03] <daftykins> sure is
[01:03] <nicomachus> don't know exactly what this command does: "sudo aticonfig --set-pcs-val=MCIL,DigitalHDTVDefaultUnderscan,0"
[01:03] <t-dubs> Wait a second..
[01:03] <t-dubs> What??
[01:04] <t-dubs> !info vlc?
[01:04] <daftykins> t-dubs: i used it to confirm the package name
[01:04] <t-dubs> I don;t know what that is, or how to use it.
[01:04] <nicomachus> lol t-dubs having an ephiphany
[01:04] <daftykins> it's a bot command
[01:04] <daftykins> t-dubs: install as you said.
[01:04] <t-dubs> OH ok
[01:04] <t-dubs> !info vlc
[01:04] <t-dubs> Awesome@
[01:04] <nrml1> you guys have experience with netapp?
[01:04] <t-dubs> That's SO cool!
[01:04] <daftykins> nicomachus: probably modifies xorg.conf - but you're using repo fglrx not downloaded from AMD's site, so i don't know on that one. make a backup of xorg.conf if it exists, then give it a go
[01:05] <daftykins> t-dubs: yeah, you can PM the bot too - helps reduce the spam for us ;)
[01:05] <daftykins> nrml1: can you phrase that so it sounds like an Ubuntu support question?
[01:05] <nrml1> yes
[01:05] <t-dubs> SPAM>
[01:06] <nrml1> does anyone know how to access netapp from ubuntu 14.04?
[01:06] <t-dubs> Excuse me, but, my questions are NOT spam!
[01:06] <t-dubs> lol
[01:06] <daftykins> t-dubs: right but if you started playing with ubottu in channel, we'd get very very angry. so just letting you know you can PM her (the bot) to your hearts content ;)
[01:06] <phix> Pantsu: i have, it doesnt prompt at boot time
[01:07] <phix> Pantsu: well i lie, it prompts for one, not both
[01:07] <OerHeks> nrml1, netapp isn't in the repos, and converting rpm to deb is a bad idea.
[01:08] <nrml1> :)
[01:08] <nrml1> A sense of humor is very important in life.
[01:08] <t-dubs> ok
[01:08] <t-dubs> Thanks a lot
[01:08] <phix> Pantsu: do i need to set another option in cryptab? or modify initram disc somehow?
[01:09] <t-dubs> So.. I have anb opinion question
[01:09] <phix> t-dubs: shoot
[01:09] <t-dubs> What do you guys prefer to burn dvds?
[01:09] <phix> dd
[01:09] <t-dubs> I know that ubuntu comes with a stock burner
[01:09] <daftykins> the time machine that takes me to the time DVDs were used
[01:10] <t-dubs> I hear ya ,sdafty\
[01:10] <t-dubs> lol
[01:10] <agent_white> t-dubs: Like phix said, dd. Learning it will pay off in more ways than one.
[01:10] <OerHeks> t-dubs, please easy on the enter, thanks.
[01:10] <phix> dd < dvd.iso > /dev/dvdrw
[01:10] <taplaptap> is there a way to get winkey+left, and winkey+right to do the same as windows?   also, is there a way to split vertically as well?
[01:11] <t-dubs> OK, sorry about that, guys, so, what is DD, and, why should i use it?
[01:11] <phix> taplaptap: what does superkey left and superkey right do?
[01:11] <taplaptap> what is superkey? winkey
[01:11] <phix> taplaptap: yes
[01:12] <Jordan_U> taplaptap: The key that's wearing a cape.
[01:12] <t-dubs> taplaptap, yeah it is
[01:12] <phix> taplaptap: but generic, non ms naming convention
[01:12] <daftykins> t-dubs: just run brasero, it's a GUI optical media writing program. dd is a bad suggestion
[01:12] <taplaptap> winkey left+right, will open the taskbar and put numbers on the taskbar
[01:12] <phix> taplaptap: wht?
[01:12] <phix> why?
[01:12] <taplaptap> i dunno, default ?
[01:12] <phix> what's the use case?
[01:13] <taplaptap> i want winkey+left to put 1 terminal 50% on the left, superkey+right, 50% on the right
[01:13] <t-dubs> brasero will allow me to burn dvds, right? as opposed to data discs?
[01:14] <OerHeks> t-dubs, open brasero, you will see it imediatly. pretty straight forward.
[01:14] <genii> t-dubs: Whatever you have to codecs installed for
[01:14] <phix> taplaptap: ok
[01:14] <emanuel_> Hello. I have a problem, I'm using a laptop with a damaged screen as a print sever. I'm using Ubuntu as the OS. Today the laptop was hung at  a screen about moutnting problems and fter choosing F to fix it was able to boot.I assume this is because the system was not shut down properly before. Is there a guide on how to make the system read only so a poor shutdown won't cause file system corruption?
[01:14] <t-dubs> OK, thsnkd a lot, OerHeks!!
[01:15] <t-dubs> Thanks to everyone currently in the room, too, for putting up with me, and all of my noob qhuestions and habits.
[01:15] <phix> emanuel_: it's a setting in /etc/fstab
[01:16] <genii> emanuel_: I think the main problem would be if it can run CUPS or whatever you're using without using swap
[01:16] <genii> or /tmp
[01:17] <emanuel_> genii I'm using CUPS and some HP non Opensource driver.
[01:18] <genii> emanuel_: You could test by temporarily mounting readonly, see if it makes problems or is fine. If fine, then do the fstab edit
[01:19] <t-dubs> So.. i had to install a ton of stuff to brasero
[01:19] <genii> emanuel_: eg: sudo mount -a -o remount,ro      ...then see if it complains. If not, then you're good to do it permanently in the fstab
[01:20] <t-dubs> and, it still won'y work
[01:20] <t-dubs> I can't burn the dvd.. it won't accept .mp4
[01:20] <emanuel_> It looks like no error after entering the command,. Now to try and print
[01:22] <t-dubs> so.. can anyone help me with this?
[01:23] <EriC^^> t-dubs: did you try k3b
[01:23] <t-dubs> no..
[01:23] <t-dubs> i don't even know what that is.
[01:23] <daftykins> pretty sure t-dubs is after having this mp4 turned into a playable DVD film playable in players
[01:24] <t-dubs> yeah
[01:24] <daftykins> that's blatantly unlawful so i'm not gonna have a hand in that.
[01:24] <t-dubs> what Daftykins said
[01:24] <OerHeks> install ubuntu-restricted-extras for all codecs and webplugins and you are fine
[01:24] <daftykins> t-dubs: please see freenode's policy on discussing unlawful actions and requests on this network
[01:24] <kostkon> t-dubs, open the software centre, search for devede, create the iso then burn it on a dvd using your default burner app brasero
[01:24] <t-dubs> ok, how does that work, or how do i do that?
[01:25] <t-dubs> i'm not doing anything unlawful, dafty!!
[01:25] <t-dubs> i own legit copies of these
[01:25] <kostkon> t-dubs, forgot the "install devede" part
[01:25] <daftykins> haven't heard that one before.
[01:25] <EriC^^> t-dubs: pu-lease
[01:26] <t-dubs> eric
[01:26] <t-dubs> i do.
[01:26] <t-dubs> i have the dvds
[01:26] <t-dubs> bought and paid for
[01:26] <daftykins> seriously, we are not 12, drop this now.
[01:26] <genii> emanuel_: Were you able to print successfully with the print server mounts all in read-only?
[01:27] <t-dubs> fine
[01:29] <emanuel_> genii I sent a print job and it printed
[01:29] <emanuel_> I had to go to the other room
[01:30] <omosoj> hi, i'm trying to set up my ubuntu vps to host a rails api
[01:30] <omosoj> i don't know much about it. i followed a few tutorials and failed a lot...
[01:30] <genii> emanuel_: If all went well then you are good to edit the /etc/fstab file and change them here to make it permanent
[01:30] <omosoj> how can i learn to do this well?
[01:31] <Jordan_U> t-dubs: You will get better quality, along with getting all of the original DVD menus and options, if you simply copy your existing DVDs rather than re-making a DVD from a rip that has be recompressed (and will need to be recompressed a second time back to mpeg 2).
[01:31]  * daftykins facepalms
[01:31] <nicomachus> ^lol
[01:32] <t-dubs> how do i do that, jordan?
[01:33] <emanuel_> genii will you help me edit the /etc/fstab?
[01:33] <t-dubs> I have the DVDs sitting right here
[01:33] <Jordan_U> t-dubs: Brasero has an option to make a disk image from a disk, which you can then burn. Another option is to copy the VIDEO_TS directory and burn it to another data DVD.
[01:34] <t-dubs> OK..
[01:34] <t-dubs> Let me see.. if i run into problems, i'll let you know, okm?
[01:36] <genii> emanuel_: I am leaving shortly.  Basically, I would say: sudo nano /etc/fstab     ...for the / mount, go to after it says errors=remount-ro   and put a comma, then ro so it looks like: errors=remount-ro,ro    ... for any other mounts, where it says defaults change that to ro
[01:36] <daftykins> Jordan_U: may i PM?
[01:37] <genii> emanuel_: To exit, ctrl-x , choose to save with same name by hitting enter key and it's done
[01:37] <Jordan_U> daftykins: Yes.
[01:38] <emanuel_> genii, thank you. the only other mount is swap. I don't think (but don't know) if a poor shutdown will affect swap
[01:39] <genii> emanuel_: emanuel_ You could also test running it without swap by issuing sudo swapoff       doing another print, etc. If it runs OK again you comment out the swap mount line in the fstab. If it gives errors then to leave it and do sudo swapon
[01:40] <Piccolo> Hello all, can anyone help with extracting a tar ball?
[01:40] <Piccolo> please
[01:41] <nicomachus> piccolo: right click, select "extract"
[01:41] <OerHeks> Piccolo, double-click on it in filemanager, and it opens in fileroller, easy to unpack.
[01:41] <emanuel_> genii thanks. will try that
[01:41] <Piccolo> command line?
[01:41] <nicomachus> oh
[01:41] <genii> Piccolo: Depends on the extension if bzr or tar.gz or such
[01:41] <Piccolo> I have tried tar -xz but it hangs
[01:41] <Piccolo> tar.gz
[01:42] <Piccolo> how do you check the integrity?
[01:42] <daftykins> Piccolo: tar xvf file.tar
[01:42] <genii> Piccolo: tar -xvzf tarname.tar.gz
[01:42] <Piccolo> thanks
[01:43] <Piccolo> coolbeans, worked, thanks guys!
[01:43] <Piccolo> and girls!
[01:48] <cluelessperson> uh uh
[01:48] <FredTom> hey, i can't open google chrome under 12.04
[01:48] <cluelessperson> I'm getting an "Unable to access "246 GB Volume"  on the server
[01:48] <FredTom> how can i debug?
[01:48] <cluelessperson> from the livecd
[01:50] <daftykins> cluelessperson: do you feel like sharing some SMART output with us so we can see if there's any damage?
[01:50] <daftykins> "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install smartmontools pastebinit" then "sudo smartmontools -a /dev/sdX | pastebinit"
[01:52] <OerHeks> FredTom, When google-chrome starts a session it creates some files under ~/.config/google-chrome ,  delete "SingletonLock", "SingletonCookie" and "SingletonSocket", and run google-chrome again.
[01:53] <OerHeks> FredTom, other cause: maybe there is an update too, run updatemanager
[01:53] <cluelessperson> genjix:  Sigh, ass, you were right
[01:54] <cluelessperson> daftykins:   Looks like a Read Error rate of 191
[01:54] <daftykins> cluelessperson: easy now, pastebin it - if it's seagate the read error rate value actually doesn't matter.
[01:54] <OerHeks> daftykins, smart is part of 'disks' now :-)
[01:54] <daftykins> OerHeks: it doesn't show the relevant data sadly
[01:54] <OerHeks> oh i c
[01:55] <daftykins> just a kinda generic "yay this is healthy" and often it claims that when a disk is toast
[01:55] <cluelessperson> SELF TEST FAILED, DUN DUN DUN
[01:56] <t-dubs> lol
[01:56] <daftykins> cluelessperson: seriously, there is no personally identifiable information within that command, sharing it is no biggy
[01:56] <t-dubs> that's funny, cluelessperson
[01:56] <cluelessperson> daftykins: I don't know what the command is and I'm on a liveboot
[01:57] <daftykins> cluelessperson: as above, "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install smartmontools pastebinit" then "sudo smartmontools -a /dev/sdX | pastebinit"
[01:58] <daftykins> cluelessperson: where obviously sdX is the actual letter of your drive
[01:58] <cluelessperson> daftykins: That's amazing. pastebinit. :)
[01:58] <daftykins> yep, so useful
[02:00] <FredTom> OerHerks: awesome
[02:00] <FredTom> that worked
[02:00] <OerHeks> FredTom, have fun
[02:03] <cluelessperson> daftykins: You are trying to send an empty document, exitting
[02:03] <FredTom> http://imgur.com/Q21vfAw
[02:04] <FredTom> ok so .. in 1... you can see the list item starting to be obscured by the top of the list
[02:05] <FredTom> the problem is that if i absolutly position the elements relative to their parent list.. then i can't drag them between list A and list B
[02:05]  * cluelessperson sometimes shuts servers off so people will talk to him. xD
[02:05] <daftykins> cluelessperson: "sudo parted -l" to confirm what drive you're going to check, probably /dev/sda ? then "sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda | pastebinit" should work fine *if* those two packages were installed first as per my commands
[02:05] <FredTom> ah wrong channel
[02:05] <daftykins> FredTom: i was going to say :/
[02:06] <cluelessperson> daftykins:   I love you for showing me pastebinit.    http://paste.ubuntu.com/10197070
[02:07] <daftykins> cluelessperson: can you refresh my memory? this was a system that spontaneously stopped booting, yeah?
[02:07] <cluelessperson> daftykins:  >.> yes.
[02:07] <cluelessperson> daftykins:  during the night.  booted it, got stuck at grub, I had a previous install issue I thought it was the same.
[02:07] <daftykins> cluelessperson: yep, see line 72 - there are 27 pending sectors awaiting remap right now on that disk. it's about to fail big time, you need to backup and replace it immediately
[02:08] <cluelessperson> daftykins:  I can't even mount it to backup just the database on it. >.<
[02:08] <cluelessperson> it's a month's worth of data
[02:08] <daftykins> cluelessperson: does it have multiple partitions? "sudo parted -l | pastebinit"
[02:09] <cluelessperson> daftykins:   http://paste.ubuntu.com/10197107
[02:09] <daftykins> cluelessperson: ah single partition. so "sudo mount -t ext4 /dev/sda1 /mnt" does that give errors?
[02:10] <cluelessperson> daftykins:   and...
[02:10] <daftykins> huh?
[02:10] <cluelessperson> daftykins: yes.
[02:10] <daftykins> what was the complaint?
[02:11] <cluelessperson> daftykins:    mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, missing codepage or helper program, or other erorr.
[02:11] <daftykins> cluelessperson: "dmesg | tail" suggest anything more detailed about what's wrong?
[02:13] <cluelessperson> daftykins: 0e 45 e9 48
[02:13] <cluelessperson> daftykins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10197141
[02:14] <emanuel_> Help, I edited fstab to make my system read only and now Ican't reverse it. I'm trying sudo mount -o rw,remount / and sudo is failiong
[02:14] <daftykins> cluelessperson: hmm that's not good. so, if this data is seriously important, you're going to want to take it to another system for data recovery now. you would ideally image it up to another drive, or try and mount it using a backup superblock
[02:15] <daftykins> emanuel_: is this from a live session?
[02:15] <emanuel_> daftykins: no from the os running on hard drive
[02:15] <cluelessperson> daftykins: backup superblock?
[02:15] <daftykins> emanuel_: why?
[02:15] <cluelessperson> daftykins:   I just need the mysql files
[02:15] <daftykins> cluelessperson: yeah, but these methods risk the data you've got on the drive, so it depends how badly you want it
[02:16] <emanuel_> daftykins: long situation let me type...
[02:16] <cluelessperson> daftykins:   My last backup was a month ago, let's ty
[02:16] <daftykins> cluelessperson: i found this - http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/recover-bad-superblock-from-corrupted-partition/
[02:16] <cluelessperson> daftykins: let's try then, I'm eager to see what you're capable of pulling
[02:17] <daftykins> cluelessperson: it's really about the disk and not me, so i'm not responsible from here on out :D
[02:17] <cluelessperson> daftykins: I fully understand.  Like I said, it's a month's worth of data, and two columns in mysql I'll have to readd
[02:18] <cluelessperson> daftykins: daftykins Actually, I have a bunch of random CSVs saved that may make up for it
[02:18] <daftykins> cluelessperson: ah ok so no biggy? good stuff :>
[02:18] <emanuel_> daftykins: I have a laptop with a bad screen. I am using it as a print server. Due to impropper shutdowns the systen hunbg on bootup because it needed a disk check. I asked here about making it read only and after some testing it seemed to work so edited fstab. I rebooted and now printing didn't work. I googled how to mouint it read only and it failed but dmesg shows it did remount. I now was able to edit fstab and am rebooting the s
[02:18] <cluelessperson> daftykins: yeah, have at it
[02:18] <emanuel_> daftykins: if /swap is not read only... I'm trying to girlfriend proof the system.
[02:18] <daftykins> cluelessperson: it's all in the above link then :)
[02:18] <cluelessperson> daftykins: You say it may risk the data, will mounting via another superblock overwrite the data, or just damage the corruption further?
[02:19] <cluelessperson> like if it's a bad head, it'll get worse real quick
[02:19] <PsychicVampire> Hey all
[02:19] <PsychicVampire> I was just at my psychiatrits office tonight.. and he had some awful virus
[02:19] <daftykins> cluelessperson: that's the risk you take ultimately yeah, even using the disk might just be damaging it further
[02:19] <PsychicVampire> on his win8.1 pc system.. it appears to be a network with only one server and he's got these host pcs
[02:19] <PsychicVampire> which do have physical hdds, but still rely on the server
[02:20] <PsychicVampire> anyway i cant recall the practice management software he uses exactly, i doubt it's natively released for linux
[02:20] <cluelessperson> daftykins:  I get the error  "Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock" right off
[02:20] <cluelessperson> first command
[02:20] <PsychicVampire> but should i try to convince him to use Ubuntu and either run a VM or use WINE
[02:20] <kxtwo> Hey guys, I just picked up an hp i3 laptop.  Wanted to throw ubuntu on there, just go with the most recent LTS as usual?
[02:20] <Jordan_U> PsychicVampire: Please gather all of the information relevant to your question and post it all as one message, on one line.
[02:20] <PsychicVampire> and if so, since the psychiatry managment software he uses relies on remote assistance for networking, can linux use that protocol or is it going to end up being a VM inside ubunut
[02:20] <PsychicVampire> well that's everything, sorry i use a lot of lines.
[02:21] <daftykins> emanuel_: what does "mount" report? file system / is read only?
[02:21] <PsychicVampire> kxtwo: Yes.
[02:21] <PsychicVampire> kxtwo: it's AMD 64 or Intel?
[02:21] <kxtwo> i3, intel
[02:21] <kxtwo> with windows 8
[02:21] <PsychicVampire> Ok, well the 64 bit build should work fine
[02:21] <PsychicVampire> You should be able to dual-boot if you want.. boot from a live cd?
[02:22] <kxtwo> def as it has 6GB ram
[02:22] <PsychicVampire> As long as your laptop came with an optical drive
[02:22] <daftykins> cluelessperson:  "sudo e2fsck -f /dev/sda1" ?
[02:22] <emanuel_> daftykins: it doesn't matter now I fixed it and am rebooting
[02:22] <PsychicVampire> Ok nice kxtwo, it'll work just fine.. use the 64 bit one of course.
[02:22] <kxtwo> I also picked up an external drive, I am hoping I can partition this with a live cd but not sure
[02:22] <kxtwo> might have to just grab a flash drive
[02:22] <PsychicVampire> kxtwo: some still prefer to use older versions of Ubuntu, but the repositories aren't supported anymore just so you know
[02:23] <cluelessperson> daftykins: command not found
[02:23] <daftykins> PsychicVampire: with my respect, the fact that you are here to confirm whether it's a wise idea to move someone from Windows to Linux shows that you're not the right person for the job.
[02:23] <PsychicVampire> Aye I'm jealous, my Toshiba C-55 has no optical drive and I have no USB stick so I've been using Win 8.1.. it's not terrible really, but a resoource hog, and I am paranoid about security.
[02:23] <emanuel_> Ugh why isn't sudo shutdown -r now rebooting the systen?
[02:23] <PsychicVampire> daftykins: No offence taken.
[02:23] <kxtwo> psychic is there any reason I couldn't partition my external 1tb drive with a live cd image?
[02:23] <PsychicVampire> psychic perhaps it was NTFS?
[02:24] <PsychicVampire> did you try using gparted?
[02:24] <kxtwo> no I haven't tried anything yet, since it is usb I am thinking I can use the live cd creator app
[02:24] <Jordan_U> PsychicVampire: Honestly that doesn't sound like a good fit for Ubuntu to me. The normal advantage of malware being less common for Linux doesn't really apply once you install wine, especially when I would guess that the way they got malware on the machine in the first place was by being duped into running a trojan, which can be just as easily done via wine.
[02:24] <daftykins> cluelessperson: hmm hang on
[02:25] <Jordan_U> PsychicVampire: And the primary purpose of the machine seems to be to run a piece of Windows only software.
[02:25] <PsychicVampire> Jordan_U: that's good to know, I didn't know WINE came with windows security risks as well, nevermind running a VM. is a VM actually more secure or less, or the same?
[02:25] <daftykins> cluelessperson: try this one - https://linuxexpresso.wordpress.com/2010/03/31/repair-a-broken-ext4-superblock-in-ubuntu/ but again, much risk
[02:25] <PsychicVampire> True Jordan_U, I really never liked setting up Linux systems just to get them to do what you want with Windows, with the same software ..
[02:25] <emanuel_> daftykins: how  can I force a reboot when shutdown -r now won't reboot it
[02:25] <stef1a> i just got a 2015 carbon x1 and am trying to install ubuntu. i'm on the UEFI page and UEFI/legacy boot - csm support says "UEFI only * Unselectable for Secure Boot". does this mean my computer does not have secureboot and so i don't need to disable it, or something else?
[02:26] <PsychicVampire> kxtwo:  try a gparted livecd if you can do a USB live that'd be fine too
[02:26] <daftykins> emanuel_: if the file system is read only, who cares? reset that sucker
[02:26] <cluelessperson> PsychicVampire:  what do you mean?
[02:26] <PsychicVampire> gparted is the boot-to program you wanna use for partitioning :)
[02:26] <OerHeks> sudo reboot
[02:26] <daftykins> stef1a: something else
[02:26] <cluelessperson> PsychicVampire:   I like that linux can handle some things much more smoothly than windows
[02:26] <emanuel_> daftykins: because I was able as I said before to get it mounted rw after my initial post
[02:26] <daftykins> stef1a: are you having trouble booting a flash drive?
[02:26] <PsychicVampire> daftykins: you can also create a partition within win 8.1, right click the start menu and go to disk manager
[02:26] <PsychicVampire> management*
[02:26] <stef1a> daftykins: i haven't tried yet. should i just try that first? (i've shrank my partition and disabled fastboot)
[02:26] <daftykins> PsychicVampire: i am not talking about that topic. bad highlight.
[02:27] <PsychicVampire> Oh sorry dafty
[02:27] <Jordan_U> PsychicVampire: Having a VM doesn't make anything inherently more secure. One nice advantage of a VM is that it's easier to take a snapshot and revert back to it after the user installs malware.
[02:27] <daftykins> stef1a: you want to dualboot 8 and ubuntu?
[02:27] <stef1a> daftykins: for the moment, although i'll ultimately end up removing 8 entirely if possible
[02:27] <PsychicVampire> Jordan_U: I suppose so long as I'm not his official IT guy, and just a patietn who helped him with windows - I'm not going to try to convince him to use Linux.. especially when he's paying for this Windows software.
[02:28] <PsychicVampire> I knwo there's psychiatry practice manamgent software for Linux, but to switch when he's late into his career would be pointless.. it's all integrated with his smartphone etc..
[02:28] <cluelessperson> daftykins:  Attempting now.    but error  Error reading block ####number ### (Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read) Ignore error?
[02:28] <daftykins> stef1a: you'll probably have a harder time establishing a dualboot, than clean installing - but yeah a nice 14.04.1 64-bit flash drive made up should boot fine, after having already made space for the installation via a Windows resize from within Windows
[02:28] <cluelessperson> Yes?
[02:28] <cluelessperson> daftykins: force rewrite? lol
[02:28] <daftykins> cluelessperson: sounds like it's game over then to me
[02:28] <PsychicVampire> is it 8 or 8.1, daftykins?
[02:28] <daftykins> PsychicVampire: please either learn how to use tab complete, or stop :)
[02:28] <PsychicVampire> erm, I thought I just did.
[02:28] <cluelessperson> daftykins: Well, I continued and I'm getting a list of "FIXED" "FIXED" etc 10 times
[02:29] <cluelessperson> daftykins: you quit too soon my friend. :P
[02:29] <kxtwo> crap I didn't realize 14.04 is still the most recent lts I thought something newer would have come out by now.  uess it hasn't been a year and a half yet.  I didn't care so much for 14.04 on my dell
[02:29] <daftykins> cluelessperson: maybe, but doing this via someone else is as fun as pulling my own hair out - so just follow the link and see how you get on.
[02:29] <PsychicVampire> daftykins: using tab-complete to put your nick at the end of a question is using it wrong?
[02:29] <PsychicVampire> :|
[02:29] <PsychicVampire> I thought it was 14.11...
[02:29] <daftykins> PsychicVampire: asking me about what OS the person i'm helping is running, is the mistake :)
[02:30] <daftykins> PsychicVampire: i appreciate you trying, but if you can't follow there's probably no reason to try and offer help in here
[02:30] <cluelessperson> daftykins: MOUNTED, HA
[02:30] <PsychicVampire> daftykins: my apologies: i thought you were the one needing help.. sorry
[02:30] <PsychicVampire> i see you're helping clueless
[02:30] <cluelessperson> daftykins:  TAKE THAT
[02:30] <cluelessperson> now where are those MYSQL files, ASAP
[02:31] <stef1a> daftykins: seems to be working okay so far...
[02:31] <daftykins> cluelessperson: since i've been helping you this entire time and you're now trying to throw it back in my face like i've done something wrong, i suggest you check your attitude.
[02:31] <PsychicVampire> You are all very polite, I apologize for over-stepping.
[02:31] <cluelessperson> daftykins: NO, I did something, you saved me!
[02:31] <cluelessperson> daftykins: I'm just giving you a hard time. :D
[02:32] <daftykins> cluelessperson: i will ignore you if you carry on acting like an ungrateful.
[02:32] <lasagn4> hi
[02:32] <PsychicVampire> My mistake 14.10 appears to be the latest stable version
[02:32] <emanuel_> daftykins: I did manually reboot the system by turning the power off waiting to see if it comes back
[02:32] <daftykins> latest stable non-LTS (long term support) version, yes
[02:32] <lasagn4> with linux you can replace and install a bin over another program evecn though that other program is running? how is that possible
[02:32] <PsychicVampire> But just so everyone knows in Win 8.1 you can partition drives by going to disk managment, right click the start button
[02:33] <jamie_> is there a place or way other than flash drive to transfer data between two hard drives, i just need 7 gb
[02:33] <PsychicVampire> lasagn4: it doesn't work with permissions the way windows does
[02:33] <daftykins> PsychicVampire: i'm a Windows admin too, Windows talk is off topic here. thanks but no thanks :)
[02:33] <cluelessperson> darkbasic: .... I cant believe I just typoed that.   "NO, I did something wrong, and you saved me!" xD
[02:33] <kxtwo> 14.10 isn't lts and supposedly doesn't have much ot offer so was just going to stick with 14.04 and hope the problems I had were hardware not software
[02:33] <PsychicVampire> Oh daftykins, it is? Ok.
[02:33] <cluelessperson> daftykins:  ^  seriously, thank you
[02:33] <PsychicVampire> I would advocate gparted over that, though.. ok
[02:33] <cluelessperson> daftykins:  I'm totally giving you a hard time.  You've saved me a lot of work. :D
[02:33] <lasagn4> PsychicVampire, but replacing it doesn't close the running program, it stays running
[02:33] <OerHeks> jamie_, dropbox, google drive .. dl-dvd
[02:33] <daftykins> cluelessperson: yeah, stop that thanks
[02:34] <lasagn4> PsychicVampire, is the running program now the old version or the new version?
[02:34] <PsychicVampire> lasagn4: through your RAM perhaps.. try restarting the program
[02:34] <cluelessperson> daftykins: I'm confused.
[02:34] <cluelessperson> so serious
[02:34] <cluelessperson> daftykins:   Seriously though.  You've run into this before?
[02:34] <daftykins> many times.
[02:34] <PsychicVampire> daftykins: sorry I somehow got you confused with kxtwo :|
[02:34] <daftykins> i'm like the dead disk sniffer, in here
[02:34] <PsychicVampire> i have learning disabilities
[02:35] <OerHeks> !cookie | daftykins
[02:35] <PsychicVampire> lol.
[02:35] <jamie_> OerHeks: they only let 1-2 gb of data
[02:35] <PsychicVampire> that he is
[02:35] <daftykins> OerHeks: 8D
[02:36] <OerHeks> jamie_, google drive then .. or if you are handy, remove the hdd from the other machine, and hang it in your current
[02:36] <daftykins> cluelessperson: i've probably seen 20-30 failed disks in here since September
[02:36] <jamie_> OerHeks: sadly i already had that idea... but my ram is only 4gb
[02:37] <PsychicVampire> lasagn4: I really do not know. If it has not change, I'd assume the old version.. I'm sure others know.
[02:37] <kxtwo> PsychicVampire, what is the best  utility to  create live cds these days?  I had a windows program called  linux cd creator or something like  that before
[02:37] <PsychicVampire> magiciso works just fine
[02:37] <Sunson> hi all
[02:37] <jamie_> OerHeks: i was gonna hand it in the ram and then swap hdd but i dont have enough ram
[02:37] <Sunson> anyone familar with virtualbox?
[02:38] <daftykins> PsychicVampire: honestly talking about Windows software in an Ubuntu support channel is not going to help anyone out ;)
[02:38] <OerHeks> jamie_, ehh don't swap hdd on a running machine
[02:38] <PsychicVampire> Well, kxtwowanted to know
[02:38] <PsychicVampire> It's for the purpose of migrating to Linux, so isn't hat for the betterment of civilization?
[02:38] <emanuel_> daftykins: Will you help me fix the problem I made. I rebooted the system and now I can't print / seems read only still
[02:38] <kxtwo> PsychicVampire, off the top of your head do you know if it will allow me to create a section out of my external usb drive and make it persistent?  if so I can use this not only to installbut also to carry with me needed
[02:38] <jamie_> OerHeks: i was gonna do a live boot pull up the home dir then hang it in ram then pull hdd and push to new hdd
[02:38] <Sunson> anyone know about installing Mac os on Ubuntu host virtualbox?
[02:39] <PsychicVampire> kxtwo: is your external USB drive solid state per chance?
[02:39] <daftykins> emanuel_: sorry, printing isn't my strong suit. just address the channel with what you're after
[02:39] <PsychicVampire> Mac OS X in a VM is a *beyotch*
[02:39] <kxtwo> PsychicVampire, no
[02:39] <PsychicVampire> Ok
[02:39] <kxtwo> does that matter?
[02:39] <daftykins> kxtwo: that's a really bad idea.
[02:39] <PsychicVampire> kxtwo: are you asking if gparted will do that?
[02:39] <emanuel_> daftykins: Understood. I think my issue is the drive is still Read Only and I need it writable to store the data to print
[02:39] <Sunson> ok...thought it was just me...you think it would be easier if i had a cd/dvd vs .iso/.dmg?
[02:39] <PsychicVampire> not sure what you're trying to burn here kxtwo
[02:40] <kxtwo> why is it a bad idea?  it's usb 3
[02:40] <kxtwo> I can grab a traditional flash drive if  necessary
[02:40] <emanuel_> My file system is now read only how do I get it back to read write?
[02:40] <OerHeks> kxtwo, gparted can handle up to 2 Tb.
[02:40] <PsychicVampire> notice kxtwo kxtwo believe i've used this app to burn in windows 8 too and it's fine http://download.cnet.com/Active-ISO-Burner/3000-2646_4-10602452.html
[02:41] <daftykins> kxtwo: what are you trying to achieve? just make a flash drive bootable if you need a live session
[02:41] <jamie_> OerHeks: i thought it might work... but i I think i really just need to get some money for new equiptment....
[02:41] <daftykins> putting an ISO onto a flash drive is *NOT* burning.
[02:41] <kxtwo> PsychicVampire, I have to units now so dont "need" to use windows
[02:41] <PsychicVampire> kxtwo: are you trying to get your BIOS to boot an ISO?
[02:41] <OerHeks> jamie_, turn both machines off, and then move the hdd.
[02:41] <PsychicVampire> from an external USB drive?
[02:42] <kxtwo> ok this is becoming gmore complicated  than I thought
[02:42] <PsychicVampire> the BIOS looks for the master boot record on any partition and it won't see it there if it's just an ISO
[02:42] <kxtwo> I will simply grab a flash drive
[02:42] <PsychicVampire> yeah you're better off just using the flash drive or CD/DVD :)
[02:42]  * daftykins chuckles
[02:42] <PsychicVampire> i envy you, my toshiba has no optical drive.. and it's new.
[02:42] <PsychicVampire> guy at staples tells my mother they're 'obsolete now'
[02:42] <fry__> I'm trying to install ubuntu on my asus t100. I managed to get it to boot to grub but every time I try to select any option, install, try live, etc.
[02:42] <kxtwo> I was going to partition a sedtion out of my external, make it bootable, extract iso, same as flash drive, It might be a little slower as a live cd but I figured for install it would be fine
[02:42] <daftykins> damn right they are, it's 2015.
[02:43] <fry__> grub flashes to a black screen, then back to grub and then freezes
[02:43] <fry__> can anyone help me figure out what is going on?
[02:43] <daftykins> !nomodeset | fry__
[02:43] <PsychicVampire> fry__: please condense your question into as few lines as possible.
[02:43] <jamie_> OerHeks: this was more of a hope then having to re github it and take about 1 hr to get all the code... its on one machine and i swap hdd constantly depending on what im doing due to only having a 70gb hdd and a 250 gb hdd
[02:43] <fry__> PsychicVampire: How can I get ubuntu to boot from grub? Currently it doesn't work
[02:44] <PsychicVampire> fry__: it is not an option in grub?
[02:44] <PsychicVampire> fry__: I believe it matters whether you install grub before or after putting linux on the partition/drive you're using. Someone else will know more, though.
[02:44] <OerHeks> !nomodeset | fry__
[02:44] <fry__> PsychicVampire: it is. grub flashes to a black screen, then back to grub. then the screen freezes
[02:45] <PsychicVampire> OerHeks has your answer, fry__
[02:45] <cricketfart> Hey everyone
[02:45] <jamie_> OerHeks: thanks anyway though... I was hoping to be able to some how transfer some weird way... darn
[02:46] <PsychicVampire> I think I'll get my knowledge a little past the old days of Red Hat 6 and Mandrake before offering any more help..
[02:46] <cricketfart> I just installed Bumblebee, but in my additional drivers, I don't see any reference to Bumblebee in the list of the drivers that are selectable.  I've restarted the machine after installing bumblebee and I had to run apt-get -f install to install missing dependencies and still nothing.  Does this mean that something is wrong with the installation?
[02:46] <emanuel_> PsychicVampire: can you tell me how to remount my file system as read writer?
[02:46] <PsychicVampire> That about GRUB in the past was true, though, that the order of installation matters OS -> bootloader /vice versa
[02:46] <PsychicVampire> emanuel_: sorry no :(
[02:47] <cluelessperson> daftykins: I managed to get the files on usb
[02:47] <daftykins> cricketfart: bumblebee itself isn't a driver, it's a way to let the nvidia driver work with the intel driver. it's also the old one, nvidia-prime is what should be in use
[02:47] <emanuel_> When I do mount I get back mount: warning: /etc/mtab is not writable (e.g. read-only filesystem).        It's possible that information reported by mount(8) is not        up to date. For actual information about system mount points        check the /proc/mounts file.
[02:47] <daftykins> cluelessperson: nice
[02:47] <cricketfart> so daftykins, do I then just sudo apt-get install nvidia-prime  ?
[02:47] <cricketfart> and if so, should I sudo apt-get remove bumblebee ?
[02:47] <daftykins> cricketfart: not since you've tried bumblebee no, they're incompatible
[02:48] <daftykins> cricketfart: was this the flashing cursor problem? how far did you get with that?
[02:48] <PsychicVampire> is it Nvidia or ATI who release native linux drivers?
[02:48] <cricketfart> about this far haha, I couldn't remember who was helping me lol
[02:48] <cricketfart> PsychicVampire I'm pretty sure it was Nvidia
[02:48] <PsychicVampire> Yeah, thought maybe
[02:48] <cricketfart> I had Nvidia propietary options out of the box with my Ubuntu 14.04
[02:49] <cricketfart> "out of the box" *
[02:49] <daftykins> PsychicVampire: both of them do... wow.
[02:49] <cricketfart> Linux is taking over the world =D
[02:49] <PsychicVampire> Oh now they both do, nice
[02:49] <cricketfart> Lol
[02:49] <daftykins> cricketfart: i figured i left you installing an nvidia driver from the 'additional drivers' last night
[02:49] <daftykins> PsychicVampire: no you didn't, you just asked.
[02:49] <PsychicVampire> Yeah there are official ones in 'additional drivers'
[02:50] <PsychicVampire> That's right I wasn't sure, but figured that was the case from poor memory
[02:50] <emanuel_> I need to remount uuid/7925a9cd-f8cc-492b-83cc-5a5a82dda879 as RW would someone explain to me how to do this
[02:50] <daftykins> some of my pet peeves are someone who ask something, then claim to have known all along.
[02:51] <cricketfart> daftykins: I think that's correct, but someone mentioned bumblebee and nvidia-prime, I was just acting to the best of my memory on what to do.  Sorry for the misunderstanding.
[02:51] <daftykins> cricketfart: yeah i was talking about them both at the same time, i said how bumblebee was the old way of doing things and nvidia-prime the new
[02:51] <cricketfart> When I say they mentioned the two, I'm not meaning in conjunction.
[02:51] <cricketfart> Ah, so is it possible to sudo apt-get remove bumblebee and then install nvidia-prime instead?
[02:52] <daftykins> cricketfart: find a guide for one or the other, then just follow it to completion - might as well see if it works better one way or the other if you're already partway down one rabbit hole
[02:53] <emanuel_> I tried sudo mount -o remount,rw / but then after entering my password I get sudo: unable to open /var/lib/sudo/emanuel/2: No such file or directory
[02:53] <cricketfart> I actually did finish the installation of Bumblebee...
[02:53] <cricketfart> Like I said, I wasn't sure if I should see a bumblebee reference in my drivers list.
[02:53] <stef1a> daftykins: *thumbs up* it works!
[02:54] <daftykins> stef1a: that the live session or the install?
[02:54] <stef1a> install
[02:54] <daftykins> cricketfart: nope, just try running 'nvidia-settings'
[02:54] <stef1a> no problems at all
[02:54] <stef1a> took less than 10 min
[02:54] <daftykins> stef1a: excellent :)
[02:54] <stef1a> huh, my wifi is a bit wonky though
[02:55] <cricketfart> nvidia-settings opens just fine.  Anything in specific I'm looking for?
[02:55] <emanuel_> daftykins: i do apoligize for not accepting your help when I thought I had my issue resolved. I was wrong my partions are still read only
[02:55] <cricketfart> This came up actually:** (nvidia-settings:3830): WARNING **: PRIME: Failed to execute child process "/usr/bin/prime-supported" (No such file or directory)
[02:55] <cricketfart> ** Message: PRIME: is it supported? no
[02:55] <daftykins> cricketfart: see whether each page looks ok and whether it refers to anything optimus related, has the flashing cursor thing gone away too?
[02:56] <daftykins> cricketfart: that'll probably be from using bumblebee instead
[02:56] <daftykins> emanuel_: i take it you can only access this machine over SSH?
[02:56] <cricketfart> It hasn't gone away, but it has "improved" in a way...  Its still flashing, but it doesn't fully disappear when I click on different programs in the launcher
[02:57] <emanuel_> daftykins: technically I can access it locally but the screen is cracked and I can only view a small portion of it so I am using SSH and before I messed up remote desktops
[02:57] <daftykins> cricketfart: hang on let me fetch a link
[02:57] <daftykins> !nvidia
[02:58] <Jordan_U> emanuel_: Why not just edit your /etc/fstab from a LiveDVD/USB?
[02:58] <cricketfart> On a slightly off-topic note, how do you get your writing to appear in red when you speak to me?
[02:59] <cricketfart> And thanks, I'm reading these pages.
[02:59] <bazhang> cricketfart, tab complete a nick
[02:59] <daftykins> cricketfart: not sure if this'll be handy for you, but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/HybridGraphics
[02:59] <Jordan_U> cricketfart: By including your nick at the beginning of our messages.
[02:59] <bazhang> anywhere in the posting will do it
[02:59] <emanuel_> Jordan_U: because it's a pain to use a live image on it because only the top right quarter of the screen is readable. I'd prefer to fix it over SSH if I can posttibly do it
[02:59] <bazhang> provided the client has that feature
[03:00] <bazhang> cricketfart, you see it as red, for your nick, we dont
[03:00] <cricketfart> Okay, gotcha thanks
[03:00] <cricketfart> Or apparently I don't...    Thanks lol omg
[03:01] <bazhang> cricketfart, so baz <tab> does the same for me
[03:02] <Jordan_U> emanuel_: If you can't get sudo working then I can't see any way to fix this without rebooting into something else, or with other kernel parameters.
[03:02] <LMNOP_> why would anyone want to talke to u
[03:02] <cricketfart> daftykins, The hybridgraphics link was more useful than the one from ubottu
[03:03] <daftykins> cricketfart: yeah i used that for me to find the hybrid one
[03:03] <daftykins> i bet it was...
[03:03] <daftykins> !hybrid
[03:03] <daftykins> nope.
[03:03] <cricketfart> I really appreciate the help by the way.  Have you got a "donate" link?
[03:04] <elky> LMNOP_: please don't be hostile to people here.
[03:04] <stef1a> hm, yeah, i have a problem. it looks like have 802.11 wifi with the iwlwifi driver. even though it looks like i'm connected, i can't actually send or receive any packets... help?
[03:04] <daftykins> cricketfart: nah we volunteer for free, however if you feel rich - feel free to donate to http://www.kodi.tv/ for me ;D
[03:04] <cricketfart> Hah, it's not that I feel rich per se..  I just work in the IT industry, but on Windows Machines.  I always appreciate someone at the very least even offering a donation.
[03:05] <daftykins> cricketfart: :) well thanks for the thought
[03:05] <cricketfart> daftykins, Not a problem, I'm just trying to find the donate spot on the website, it doesn't appear to be obvious?
[03:06] <cricketfart> Pfft
[03:06] <cricketfart> UNSAY, UNSAY
[03:06] <LMNOP_> elky, sure thing champ
[03:06] <cricketfart> LOL
[03:06] <daftykins> cricketfart: :D top line ja? :)
[03:07] <LMNOP_> elky, anything else?
[03:07] <cricketfart> daftykins, I found it, hence the unsay hahahaha
[03:07] <daftykins> cricketfart: cool :)
[03:07] <daftykins> LMNOP_: drop it please
[03:07] <elky> LMNOP_: do you have an actual support question?
[03:08] <emanuel_> Jordan_U: and daftykins I dont'w know what i did but I was able to remount as RW and got SUDO working. I reset my fstab back to how it was and I can print again. I appreciate the assistance you both offered
[03:09] <cricketfart> daftykins, I made a $10 donation to that site.  Its through as anonymous though, I'm not a forum member.
[03:09] <daftykins> cricketfart: that's great, much appreciated thanks :)
[03:09] <cricketfart> daftykins, no problem my friend!
[03:09] <LMNOP_> elky, i do not but if you would like assistance feel free to ask your question
[03:10] <elky> LMNOP_: I'm aware you're trying to drag drama across channels, please stop baiting here.
[03:10] <cricketfart> rebooting, brb
[03:11] <LMNOP_> elky, i wasnt aware that you were aware or that you thought that
[03:11] <emanuel_> Everyone back to my original "problem" My girlfriend believes in just killing the power to the room when she is done (by throwing a light swich) my ubuntu laptop does not shutdown properly in this case and sometimes corrupts the file system. When this happens we can't print until she mentions a problem and I tell the system to check the file system. Other than changing her habits how can i make the laptop more apt to survive a power
[03:12] <elky> LMNOP_: well now that you're aware that I'm aware, you should stop it. final warning.
[03:12] <daftykins> emanuel_: reinstall, work out where print jobs are stored (/tmp maybe?) then mounting only that folder as a separate read/write partition and the rest of the system read/write
[03:13] <Jordan_U> emanuel_: Does your laptop's battery not work? (At least well enough for it to complete a normal shutdown)
[03:14] <cricketfart> daftykins, So now that I installed nvidia-prime, this comes up when I run nvidia-settings:
[03:14] <cricketfart> ** Message: PRIME: No offloading required. Abort
[03:14] <cricketfart> ** Message: PRIME: is it supported? no
[03:14] <Bashing-om> emanuel_: Loss of power can always be a problem, and loosing power is a problem, . Address loosing power by a UPS unit . more bucks the better.
[03:14] <daftykins> cricketfart: was that after purging bumblebee packages?
[03:15] <cricketfart> When you say purge...  You mean sudo apt-get remove  right?
[03:15] <emanuel_> daftykins: Thank you for that advise. I would prefer not to have to reinstall everything because of the screen issue, Jordan_U the battery does work but there is no way for the windows system she uses to tell the ubuntu syustem  to power off
[03:15] <daftykins> cricketfart: if you have pastebinit installed, can you show "dpkg -l | grep nvidia | pastebinit" ?
[03:15] <daftykins> cricketfart: also same command but replace 'nvidia' for 'bumble'
[03:15] <cricketfart> I don't have pastebinit installed, and I didn't use dpkg..  I actually just used sudo apt-get remove ...
[03:16] <daftykins> cricketfart: nah i'm asking you to run the dpkg command - "sudo apt-get install pastebinit" then first
[03:16] <cricketfart> I actually haven't really used dpkg much except when following guides, I know nothing about it.  I'm just getting my head around apt-get
[03:16] <stef1a> also, i installed ubuntu 14.10. help?
[03:16] <cricketfart> Kk I'll do that
[03:16] <Jordan_U> emanuel_: Why does the Windows system need to tell the Ubuntu laptop anything? Just configure the Ubuntu laptop to turn off when it detects that it's running on battery power (which it should actually be doing by default, at least once the battery charge gets low enough).
[03:16] <daftykins> stef1a: boot the flash drive again and compare the loaded modules from that to your install, with "lsmod" - maybe the driver is different between (installing whilst allowing it to update online can result in an installation that has a different config to the live session)
[03:17] <emanuel_> Jordan_U: Your suggestion makes sense but I'm not sure how to do that. Can you suggest a guide?
[03:17] <cricketfart> daftykins, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10197865/
[03:18] <stef1a> daftykins: i didn't allow it to install while online, though
[03:18] <daftykins> stef1a: oh
[03:18] <daftykins> stef1a: still worth comparing
[03:18] <daftykins> cricketfart: sudo apt-get purge nvidia-304
[03:18] <cricketfart> Haha I get it..  Theres bumblebee and nvidia-prime stuff in that list from dpkg
[03:18] <stef1a> it's not a liveusb though
[03:18] <daftykins> cricketfart: so the 304 driver doesn't work with prime so has to be purged
[03:19] <cricketfart> daftykins, Okay, done
[03:19] <cricketfart> Well, processing..
[03:19] <daftykins> stef1a: oh so you didn't see working wifi from the 'try' live session to start with?
[03:19] <daftykins> cricketfart: clean reboot after that
[03:19] <cricketfart> Pastebin after reboot?
[03:20] <stef1a> i didn't even go through the try session
[03:20] <stef1a> i didn't try to connect
[03:21] <Jordan_U> emanuel_: I'm currently using XFCE and don't have a GNOME box on hand to check with, but with XFCE their is an option to change what action to perform when battery is critical (with "shutdown" being the default) and another option to set at what percentage the battery level should be considered "critical".
[03:21] <emanuel_> Jordan_U: thank you let me see what window manager I'm using over remote desktopo
[03:22] <cricketfart> daftykins, back now.  Heres the pastebin after reboot http://paste.ubuntu.com/10197917/
[03:23] <daftykins> cricketfart: go back to whatever was confirming your prime status
[03:24] <cricketfart> I'm sorry I don't know what you mean by that?
[03:25] <daftykins> sec
[03:26] <daftykins> cricketfart: oh it's the errors when you run nvidia-settings
[03:26] <daftykins> see if they remain
[03:26] <cricketfart> Gotcha
[03:26] <cricketfart> cricketfart@cricketfart-Lenovo-IdeaPad-P580:~$ nvidia-settings
[03:26] <cricketfart> ** Message: PRIME: No offloading required. Abort
[03:26] <cricketfart> ** Message: PRIME: is it supported? no
[03:26] <cricketfart> That's what comes up
[03:27] <emanuel_> Jordan_U: I don't know the window manager I'm using but I don't see any options to control the power on any menus
[03:28] <cricketfart> daftykins, when you grep and you put | pastebinit  does that mean that you're piping the command grep to pastebinit?
[03:29] <Jordan_U> emanuel_: Does running "gnome-control-center" bring up a settings windows with a power management option?
[03:29] <daftykins> cricketfart: yep, result gets passed over
[03:30] <kxtwo> Should I "install third part software" when installing ubuntu?
[03:30] <emanuel_> Jordan_U: negative says no file or directory
[03:30] <intelikey> kxtwo depends on whom the third party is.
[03:31] <cricketfart> Hah!  I really like Linux, I wish it was an easy task to get more people onto it.  It's intimidating/daunting at first, and there really is a LOT to learn, but it makes so much sense when you start understanding it
[03:31] <kxtwo> fluendo mp3 plugin
[03:31] <kxtwo> cricket far more people are into it now than just a few years ago, the movement is strong.
[03:32] <intelikey> !mp3
[03:32] <cricketfart> kxtwo, Yeah I know, I work in the IT industry as a Windows Network Admin..  I'm encountering Linux OSes more and more in the workplace which is really cool.
[03:33] <kxtwo> intelikey, I am taking I SHOULDN"T install it then
[03:34] <kxtwo> from a naive perspective that link didn't answer my question
[03:34] <Jordan_U> emanuel_: Please post a screenshot of your Desktop Environment.
[03:34] <Jordan_U> !screenshot | emanuel_
[03:34] <intelikey> kxtwo linux is cool <<< what is the flavour of the month ?    it was ubuntu seven years ago.   but i have been busy  and not on the net much for a while.
[03:34] <cricketfart> daftykins, I'm not sure if you seen it, but I am getting the same errors: "Is prime supported? No"
[03:34] <redemptionsong> I have 8 G of RAM on this new lappy, on ly a few apps open now (definitely should not be a problem at all) and I can hardly type text into this field bc bogged down. free -m shows 321 mb free only. It's as if the memory is not being freed? I don't want to restart bc I have work open. What do I do ?
[03:34] <intelikey> kxtwo that link was inteneded to point out that you don't need too    not that you shouldn't
[03:35] <redemptionsong> I just held the backspace key down and counted to thee before the cursor moved to delet the chars
[03:35] <redemptionsong> three
[03:35] <daftykins> cricketfart: hmm, can you refresh my memory with a "lspci | pastebinit" ?
[03:36] <OerHeks> redemptionsong, does 'top' show processes with high cpu or zombies ?
[03:36] <cricketfart> daftykins, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10198036/
[03:36] <intelikey> redemptionsong "top"  would / might show what is eating cpu time....    but it could be an  io  issue.
[03:37] <redemptionsong> OerHeks: I can try past results (does top keep running or I have to stop it to paste?). It may take me a min. I don't know what I'm looking at.
[03:37] <cricketfart> daftykins, was that command broken down saying ls = list, pci = pci devices?
[03:37] <Jordan_U> !ram | redemptionsong
[03:37] <daftykins> cricketfart: yep
[03:37] <kxtwo> holy crap my partition table looks screwy
[03:37] <cricketfart> =D
[03:37] <kxtwo> sooo many partitions!
[03:37] <cricketfart> kxtwo, LOL
[03:37] <redemptionsong> OerHeks: Yeah, it's moving/dynamic
[03:37] <OerHeks> redemptionsong, after'Q' quit the data will stay in terminal.
[03:38] <emanuel_> Jordan_U: http://imgur.com/hrZOSAj  please remember this is using a remote desktop app and logged in as a normal user
[03:38] <intelikey> kxtwo  hehhe i don't use partitions anymore...  totally partitionless disks
[03:38] <kxtwo> this has an efi type bios
[03:38] <kxtwo> no clue how this is going to work
[03:38] <redemptionsong> Jordan_U: Yeah but the behavior tells it all ( I can't even type text hardly)
[03:38] <daftykins> cricketfart: hrmm ok well you definitely have an optimus setup to my mind, as in that output i see the intel adapter and the nvidia - i can't say i've seen nvidia-settings output directly on an optimus setup so i can't confirm if that's normal. just see how you get on with the flashing cursor and graphics support i guess?
[03:39] <emanuel_> Jordan_U: I did an sudo apt-get install gnome-control-center and it seems to have installed it now.
[03:40] <redemptionsong> ahh
[03:40] <cricketfart> daftykins, Okay, it's the only complaint I have tbh.  If that's all that I have to deal with on Ubuntu, I'm still going to use it.
[03:40] <daftykins> :>
[03:41] <Jordan_U> emanuel_: I'm not sure that settings configured in gnome-control-center will have any effect if you're not using a gnome session.
[03:42] <emanuel_> Jordan_U: it could be the local desktop is using gnome. i remember I had to install a second window manager to get remote desktop to work
[03:43] <Jordan_U> emanuel_: If it were using GNOME then it would have had gnome-control-center installed.
[03:43] <cricketfart> daftykins, If I may, I have one other question.  If this will take us on another long trial and you'd rather not spend the time on it, then by all means let me know and I'll continue exploring other avenues..  But, I can't use ALT and CTRL in fullscreen applications, they think I'm using ALT to bring up the dash and CTRL does nothing.
[03:43] <cricketfart> Not just fullscreen actually, anything in WINE that requires the use of ALT or CTRL
[03:43] <redemptionsong> OerHeks: this what I have : http://pastebin.com/cz5WRkwZ
[03:44] <emanuel_> Jordan_U: then I fear I am without a solution,.  The batter in the laptop runs down then it crashes
[03:45] <daftykins> cricketfart: that one is beyond me i'm afraid, i don't actually use desktop at all. if you address the channel someone who knows should reply :)
[03:45] <OerHeks> redemptionsong, that 'plugin-containe" takes 72% cpu
[03:45] <redemptionsong> OerHeks: I wonder what it's connected to - clementine maybe?
[03:45] <cricketfart> daftykins, No problem, but thanks for the help before.  Btw, I just got the flashing to stop completely.
[03:46] <daftykins> cricketfart: ooh neat, what was it down to?
[03:46] <protolinux> hi
[03:46] <OerHeks> redemptionsong, no, firefox i think
[03:46] <protolinux> farts
[03:46] <cricketfart> daftykins, After going through the steps to get Nvidia-prime or Bumblebee or w/e is working correctly atm on here, I noticed that "Unknown display" was enabled in the display.  I just deactivated it again and the flashing stopped altogether
[03:47] <cricketfart> =D
[03:47] <protolinux> fartsssssssssssssss
[03:47] <daftykins> cricketfart: aww yis \o/
[03:47] <protolinux> i have 3 os
[03:47] <krushia> what buttons do i smash to stop ubuntu from loading x11 on boot?
[03:47] <cricketfart> daftykins: chyeaaah
[03:47] <cricketfart> \m/
[03:47] <daftykins> protolinux: form a support question on a *single* line please
[03:47] <protolinux> WHY NO PEOPLE LISIN?
[03:47] <protolinux> ok
[03:48] <redemptionsong> OerHeks: no kidding. I had like 5 firefox windows open a for like a day (well built up to 5 by then) and I killed em all but this chat window and one other firefox window. Behavior did not change as I expected it would.
[03:48] <Jordan_U> emanuel_: Do you mind having it shut down the second power is lost? That should be pretty easy to reliably configure with a pm hook.
[03:49] <emanuel_> Jordan_U I'd prefer it waiting 60 seconds incase she turns the power off while I'm using a laptop in another room but I can deal with turning it back on in that situation
[03:50] <cricketfart> Does anyone know why I can't use ALT and CTRL in WINE applications?  Most of them think I'm using ALT to bring up the dash and CTRL does nothing at all.
[03:51] <Jordan_U> emanuel_: Ok, that should be doable. I'll just have to think a little bit more about what happens if the hook gets run a second time while the first time through is still waiting to shutdown.
[03:51] <redemptionsong> well a restart it is I guess. gonna lose my work I got open but whatever
[03:51] <emanuel_> Jordan_U: I do appreciate this help
[03:52] <charlesay> on my ubuntu installation I am unable to get my gnome session to run
[03:52] <cricketfart> redemptionsong, can't you just save the open work?
[03:52] <charlesay> after first gdm failed to start I replaced it with lightdm, which does present a login prompt but fails to start a session
[03:52] <charlesay> I'll post my session log in a moment...
[03:52] <charlesay> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10196761/
[03:52] <redemptionsong> I use this computer with 5 or6 firefox windows open all the time as well as clementine, maybe opera if I'm making phone callse, and one or two other application. With all that free -m rarely repors more than half the ram being use. Now, atm, I have much less open. makes no sense at all
[03:52] <bongma> im not using samba but i still keep getting updates for it., how could that be??
[03:52] <kxtwo> holy crap a few things have changed I had no idea what I was doing lol
[03:52] <kxtwo> I hope ubuntu can handle this efi bs
[03:53] <kxtwo> it let me create two new partitions which I was  surprised about I must say
[03:53] <OerHeks> redemptionsong, pkkill firefox (should do the trick) or killall firefox
[03:53] <redemptionsong> And now, suddenly, everything is flowing fine again - hmm...
[03:53] <cricketfart> redemptionsong, you can add session manager to firefox and save the open sessions if that's the problem?
[03:53] <daftykins> bongma: packages must be installed. "dpkg -l | grep samba"
[03:54] <kastan> why is it telling me permission denied when i do /etc/apt/sources.list or
[03:54] <krusz> hey guys! could anybody help me with managing more than 4 partitions in linux? im newbie with that system but last time i happened to mount one more partition in "/home/partition_name/". if you can help me please whisper me. thanks
[03:55] <EriC^^> kastan: you can't execute it
[03:55] <redemptionsong> cricketfart: right on
[03:55] <redemptionsong> :)
[03:55] <cricketfart> redemptionsong, Right on to what?
[03:55] <OerHeks> redemptionsong, great, have fun
[03:55] <kastan> EriC^^: yes but i would like to execute it
[03:55] <cricketfart> redemptionsong, session manager?
[03:55] <EriC^^> kastan: what do you mean by execute it? edit it?
[03:56] <redemptionsong> cricketfart: to -->  "redemptionsong, you can add session manager to firefox and save the open sessions if that's the problem?"
[03:56] <cricketfart> =D
[03:56] <kastan> im trying to ad a new entry
[03:56] <EriC^^> kastan: type sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:56] <cricketfart> Is it possible to SSH into a liveboot of Ubuntu 14.04?
[03:56] <bongma> daftykins: what do these commands do?
[03:56] <krushia> what buttons do i smash to stop ubuntu from loading x11 on boot?
[03:56] <EriC^^> cricketfart: if openssh-server is installed, sure
[03:57] <redemptionsong> peace out I'mna restart (I know with like 99% certainty thatthis is not normal)
[03:57] <xangua> !nox | krushia
[03:57] <EriC^^> krushia: add "text" to the default kernel line in /etc/default/grub and update-grub
[03:57] <krushia> ty
[03:58] <EriC^^> if you want a permanent thing
[03:58] <RonWhoCares> I am trying to install Brother MFC-J435W.  Brother has the options "Linux (rpm)" and "Linux (deb)"   What should I used
[03:59] <daftykins> bongma: "dpkg -l" list the packages installed - |, pipe the output to... "grep" search the following text, "samba" for the word samba.
[03:59] <kastan> EriC^^: thank you
[03:59] <charlesay> RonWhoCares: ubuntu uses deb(ian packages), the other is for red hat bases
[03:59] <EriC^^> kastan: no problem
[04:00] <emanuel_> Jordan_U: will you be on tomorrow? My girlfriend is asking me to come to bed.
[04:00] <RonWhoCares> charlesay: Whatdo I select  http://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadlist.aspx?c=us&lang=en&prod=mfcj435w_us&os=128
[04:01] <kastan> EriC^^: just curious is there a way to do the same command but with root?
[04:01] <cricketfart> EriC^^, I have OpenSSH-server installed on my liveboot Ubuntu, but I'm not able to SSH into it...
[04:01] <cricketfart> cricketfart@cricketfart-Lenovo-IdeaPad-P580:~$ sudo ssh <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:01] <cricketfart> ssh: connect to host <IP_ADDRESS> port 22: Connection refused
[04:01] <cricketfart> On the liveboot I ran sudo ufw allow 22 already
[04:02] <EriC^^> kastan: with root you just type nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:02] <kastan> EriC^^: ok sweet
[04:02] <Bashing-om> krusz: What is your end goal ?
[04:02] <krusz> to make more space
[04:02] <krusz> i've got terrible mess with my drive and lot of non-used free spaces
[04:03] <bazhang> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2212086 RonWhoCares
[04:03] <Jordan_U> emanuel_: Yes I will, though I'm almost done writing the script.
[04:03] <Bashing-om> !gparted | krusz
[04:03] <emanuel_> Jordan_U: I'll delay her then.
[04:04] <krusz> got some win7 partitions and one small for linux, i need more space for linux but i already have 4 partitions and cannot make more. gparted is not working, other gui partitions tools also
[04:04] <Bashing-om> krusz: Gprated is included on the liveDVD(USB).
[04:04] <charlesay> RonWhoCares: I don't understand your question
[04:05] <Jordan_U> emanuel_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10198310/
[04:05] <kxtwo> damn it this isn't working
[04:06] <Jordan_U> emanuel_: Create the file /etc/pm/power.d/99_auto_shutdown with those contents, then "sudo chmod +x /etc/pm/power.d/99_auto_shutdown".
[04:06] <kxtwo> Are there special instructions I need to follow for an efi install?
[04:06] <kxtwo> the install seemed to go fine but it went right back into windows 8
[04:06] <bongma> daftykins:  ok  i now have the list. can i paste it here for you to see?
[04:06] <Jordan_U> emanuel_: If you keep a terminal open after adding that script, you will see broadcast messages about the shutdown being triggered or disabled based on the AC power being lost and regained respectively.
[04:07] <emanuel_> Jordan_U: thanks let me try it
[04:07] <Bashing-om> krusz: In the legacy partitioning scheme there is a max of 4 'primary' partitions. What one does is take one of those primary partitions, and make an 'extended' partition. In this 'extended' container one can make up additional 'logical' partitions.
[04:08] <charlesay> kxtwo: what do you mean by going back to windows?
[04:08] <daftykins> bongma: ultimately if you see samba is installed, that's why it's keeping it updated.
[04:08] <kxtwo> im not getting the grub menu, it has to do with UEFI I think I found documentation
[04:09] <EriC^^> kxtwo: hp, toshiba laptop?
[04:09] <kxtwo> hp
[04:09] <EriC^^> ohhh
[04:09] <edson> hardware
[04:09] <Jordan_U> emanuel_: This version has a slight change to use the syntax documented in the shutdown man page (though the syntax I used in the other version appears to also work on my machine): http://paste.ubuntu.com/10198352/
[04:09] <kxtwo> new, just bought it today, forgot about the newer bios' having issues with ubuntu
[04:10] <EriC^^> kxtwo: ok press esc when it boots then press f9
[04:10] <EriC^^> to get the boot options, then select ubuntu
[04:10] <kxtwo> wtf
[04:10] <computerquip> Would anyone be able to present ideas as to why Unity is slow when using the "Present All Windows" hot corner?
[04:10] <kxtwo> I was about to start playing around lol
[04:10] <kxtwo> there is a built in boot manager on the newer machines?
[04:10] <kxtwo> this makes me feel old :(
[04:10] <EriC^^> kxtwo: i reinstalled ubuntu twice before finding that out
[04:11] <kxtwo> is there a way to make it bring up the boot menu every boot?
[04:11] <emanuel_> Jordan_U: I can't get cut and paste to work in the remote desktop I will have to type it
[04:11] <kxtwo> I was going into the bios to see if there was an option
[04:11] <cricketfart> computerquip, System specs?
[04:11] <EriC^^> kxtwo: yeah, you'll have to rename some efi files cause you have a hard wired bios that will only boot windows efi files
[04:11] <bongma> daftykins:  but i dont use samba at all. is samba a requirement in ubuntu or lubuntu in my case??
[04:12] <kxtwo> is it simple enough to do or better off sticking with esc f9 and where the freak did you find this?
[04:12] <computerquip> cricketfart.. overkill of a computer. I'm also using the nvidia driver for what it's worth (although I don't think nouveau should even be this slow).
[04:12] <EriC^^> kxtwo: the f9 by mistake i think, somebody mentioned something about boot options and i pressed f9 and it came up, something like that i forgot
[04:12] <computerquip> Trying to animate all the windows, with say a movie playing, can take several seconds.
[04:12] <Jordan_U> emanuel_: wget http://paste.debian.net/plain/146848
[04:12] <pudgalvin> Hi guys/gals.  Can someone explain to me the basics of why hud-service gobbles all the memories from time to time (I'm on 14.04)?
[04:13] <cricketfart> computerquip, Yeah, my only ammo for that was a lack of memory.  Sorry pal
[04:13] <Jordan_U> emanuel_: That will download the script for you, then you just need to copy it into place and make it executable.
[04:13] <EriC^^> kxtwo: it's pretty easy, did you boot into ubuntu now?
[04:13] <computerquip> cricketfart, ?
[04:13] <kxtwo> might be moot, ubuntu is running like butt on this machine
[04:13] <cricketfart> computerquip, If you're running an overkill of a computer, then ram isn't the issue..  That's all
[04:14] <kxtwo> EriC^^, yes but it is taking forever, not running verl well
[04:14] <computerquip> Yeah, 32gB of high performance RAM... def not the issue.
[04:14] <cricketfart> computerquip, just saying that I don't have any other info, I was just goign to suggest that haha.  Sorry man
[04:14] <emanuel_> Jordan_U: wget done as su now to do the chmod
[04:14] <RonWhoCares> I am receiving the message "Processing - Not connected"
[04:14] <EriC^^> kxtwo: that's odd ubuntu runs really well here
[04:14] <RonWhoCares> I am unsure of what setting my printer needs
[04:14] <kxtwo> EriC^^, im hoping because it is a fresh install it just needs some updates
[04:15] <EriC^^> hmm
[04:15] <kxtwo> I mean this isn't a top of the line LT but it is an i3 with 6gb of ram.  Much better than what I'm on now
[04:15] <Jordan_U> emanuel_: I assume that you added "-O /etc/pm/power.d/99_auto_shutdown" to your wget command to have it save it to the correct path?
[04:15] <computerquip> I suppose I should just... not use Unity.
[04:15] <EriC^^> type top in the terminal and see if anything is eating the cpu up
[04:15] <charlesay> RonWhoCares: did you download and install the deb file from Brother?
[04:16] <RonWhoCares> charlesay: Yes I have.
[04:16] <daftykins> bongma: nope, you can try removing it - but i'm pretty sure it's not taking your family hostage or drinking your beer ;)
[04:16] <OY1R_> can ubuntu 14.04 window menus be sticky/always showing instead of fading away ?
[04:16] <kxtwo> also we need to get that f9 trick into documentation somewhere for other people dealing with that lol
[04:16] <emanuel_> Jordan_U: No I changed to the dir then used sudo wget to get it and then sudo cp top copy it to the right name then the chmod and deleted the old one
[04:16] <kxtwo> EriC^^, I plan on it just waiting for updates
[04:16] <krusz> Bashing-om: http://ctrlv.in/501839
[04:16] <krusz> hope you can view it
[04:16] <RonWhoCares> charlesay: within "Printers" I see "MFCJ435W"   That is my printer.  But there is an "i"
[04:16] <xangua> OY1R_: on 15.04, they will
[04:16] <Jordan_U> emanuel_: OK.
[04:16] <OY1R_> xangua, so not in 14.04 lts ?
[04:17] <cricketfart> computerquip, what version of Ubuntu are you operating under?
[04:17] <computerquip> 14.10
[04:17] <cricketfart> computerquip, 14.04?
[04:17] <kxtwo> EriC^^, What was the ESC for, it seems like f9 by itself  would bring up that menu?
[04:17] <grazfather> hey guys, what's the package name i need to install gcc linux eabi for armv4t?
[04:17] <emanuel_> Jordan_U: And it gave me the message in terminial so it looks like we are good. Thank you very much
[04:17] <EriC^^> kxtwo: yeah that's true
[04:18] <xangua> OY1R_: you can disable or uninstall global menus as a workaround (menus will be displayed in menubar, not in decoration window)
[04:18] <OY1R_> xangua, i have local menus enabled
[04:18] <cricketfart> computerquip,  maybe try 14.04 unless there are reasons why not?
[04:18] <computerquip> Probably not a bad idea... I've had kind of a poor experience with 14.10 unfortunately.
[04:18] <OY1R_> men they fade away once the cursor moves of the menu field, kinda annoying
[04:18] <EriC^^> kxtwo: i usually have my iphone on the laptop so it takes a while to hit that button
[04:19] <Jordan_U> emanuel_: You're welcome. Please do read the script and comments, try it out with a real shutdown and tell me how it went tomorrow :)
[04:19] <Bashing-om> krusz: Look'n at http://ctrlv.in/501839 .
[04:19] <emanuel_> Will do Jordan_U
[04:19] <cricketfart> computerquip, as have I, the same problem I had in 14.10 was in 14.04 but in 14.04 I was actually able to fix it with some help.  I bet 14.10 is just a tad too new and not all the bugs are worked out yet perhaps
[04:20] <charlesay> RonWhoCares: i think that should be fine, check the connection to your printer and that cups (the printer-managing system) is running
[04:20] <EriC^^> kxtwo: also wasnt sure it's also f9 there
[04:23] <RonWhoCares> oh
[04:23] <RonWhoCares> mzh hz dig
[04:23] <edson> hardware
[04:24] <OY1R_> i want gnome 2 back....
[04:24] <edson> hardware hardware
[04:24] <cricketfart> edson: bad command or filename
[04:27] <Bashing-om> krusz: You should be able to 'move' sda6 ( ubuntu operating sysem partition) to the left into that 75.24 Gib unallocated space. Working from a liveDVD - such that the partitions are not in use. I do note that there is no swap swap space provided . How much ram do you have installed ?
[04:29] <kxtwo> my god how does windows 8.1 boot so fast
[04:29] <EriC^^> kxtwo: cause you're ubuntu isn't right
[04:29] <cricketfart> kxtwo,  Many, many, many reasons
[04:29] <krusz> Bashing-om: i've recently deleted swap space when i was trying to find a way for building this partition working. i;ve got 6gb's of RAM. you may have a point, that i can manage those partitions from live-cd
[04:29] <EriC^^> ( if you have fastboot/hibernate turned off )
[04:29] <cricketfart> kxtwo, but my Ubuntu boots way faster than 8.1
[04:30] <kxtwo> EriC^^, it is a fresh install, windows 8 is virtually instantaneous
[04:30] <EriC^^> kxtwo: did you turn fastboot off?
[04:30] <kxtwo> less than 8 seconds
[04:30] <kxtwo> no I was about to when you told me about f9
[04:30] <EriC^^> kxtwo: windows 8 uses something called fastboot, which basically is hibernate
[04:31] <daftykins> kxtwo: it's a dirty cheat.
[04:31] <EriC^^> yup
[04:31] <kxtwo> that exdplains why after ubuntu install it took longer
[04:31] <kxtwo> too bad you can't use it with ubuntu!
[04:32] <yukitaio> hola
[04:32] <yukitaio> hola
[04:32] <cricketfart> Windows 8/8.1 is one of the reasons I've abandoned Microsoft on a personal level...
[04:32] <yukitaio> what
[04:32] <yukitaio> ??
[04:32] <kxtwo> I don't really even u se windows
[04:32] <cricketfart> Just trash
[04:33] <kxtwo> but I have 0 experience with windows 8 and its good to at least keep it on hand if needed
[04:33] <yukitaio> where u from???
[04:33] <kxtwo> but people seem to like 8.1 a lot
[04:33] <somsip> !ot | yukitaio
[04:33] <kxtwo> what is so bad about this fast boot?    I've met like.. 3 people for every 1000 that enjoy Windows 8/8.1
[04:33] <yukitaio> sad
[04:33] <yukitaio> asd
[04:33] <yukitaio> as
[04:33] <yukitaio> a
[04:33] <yukitaio> sda
[04:33] <yukitaio> sa
[04:34] <kxtwo> Cricket then you are meeting the wrong people?
[04:34] <kxtwo> Not saying I don't personally agree with you, but 8.1 is more popular than 8 and has grown in popularity a bit
[04:34] <EriC^^> kxtwo: the partition will be in an unstable state and you can't use the windows partition in ubuntu
[04:35] <kxtwo> I don't really care too much to be honest, I am only keeping it so if I need windows for something.
[04:35] <cricketfart> If that's what you mean exclusively then yes, I'd agree.  However, I have found that Windows 8/8.1 have been all-around poorly received by all walks of life when compared to previous Windows OS releases
[04:35] <kxtwo> EriC^^, just to clarify, you are saying if I DONT turn off fastboot the only negative impact is that I won't be able to mount the windows partition from ubuntu?
[04:36] <kxtwo> clearly my knowledge is a bit outdated so anything else you guys feel I should know please spit it out lol
[04:36] <cricketfart> About your fast boot though kxtwo,  it's so bad because your Windows 8/8.1 is not actually in a legitimate "off" state.  It's technically hibernating, and is "in-use" which is why you can't mount the windows partition
[04:37] <cricketfart> If you turn fast boot off though, it will be powered off and it won't be in-use and you will be able to mount
[04:37] <kxtwo> is fast boot in the bios?
[04:37] <Bashing-om> krusz: With 6 gigs of tam it is possiblke that you will nit need a swap space. A good guide to partitioning: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/gparted.html .
[04:38] <cricketfart> Umm, I can't remember off the top of my head.    In your charms bar type po bu in the search
[04:39] <EriC^^> edit power plan or something, then change options that aren't shown, and it'll pop up below
[04:40] <kxtwo> if this wasn't at the bios level, and winblows was sleeping, how did I get to the boot menu to mount linux?
[04:40] <cricketfart> They're mounted at different points...
[04:41] <cricketfart> Your system is off = Everything off,  Your system is on = Linux mounted, Windows "IN use"  for example
[04:41] <kxtwo> cricket, what I mean is if windows is just sleeping the bios shouldn't even be triggered when I hit the power button... unless that is the whol point of this new quick start
[04:41] <cricketfart> That is the whole point
[04:41] <daftykins> kxtwo: it's a suspend to disk, not suspend to RAM
[04:42] <kxtwo> daftykins, I love simple answers :)
[04:42] <kxtwo> I honestly don't care about fast boot being on if the only issues is the inability to see my windows partition.  Any other tips and tricks you guys want to share, first new laptop in a few years so some things have changed
[04:42] <cricketfart> kxtwo, I think we've lost the original problem here, refresher maybe?
[04:43] <EriC^^> last it was ubuntu was running poorly
[04:43] <cricketfart> And didn't you agree that you were going to try out 14.04 because of poor experience with 14.10?
[04:43] <EriC^^> another concern is renaming the efi files so the boot manager boots ubuntu instead of windows
[04:43] <kxtwo> EriC^^, I mentioned that one time like 20 minutes ago
[04:43] <kxtwo> you guys are correct the topics have become broad
[04:44] <cricketfart> Lol the joys of text communication :D
[04:44] <kxtwo> ok let me log into windows and turn off fastboot then go from there
[04:44] <EriC^^> kxtwo: i'm laying out the issues
[04:44] <kxtwo> EriC^^, maybe I misunderstood, I didn't think that the windows fast boot was relevant to the stability of ubuntu beyond mounting those partitions
[04:44] <kxtwo> if I wwere actually running windows I would love this fast boot but for now I shall disable
[04:45] <kxtwo> logging in still takes a while on windows anyway so it probaly evens out
[04:45] <EriC^^> kxtwo: im confused, are you saying ubuntu is running properly now?
[04:46] <cricketfart> He hasn't logged out yet to switch to Ubuntu...
[04:46] <cricketfart> or to Windows I mean
[04:46] <EriC^^> i thought he was going to try updating stuff and maybe stuff would work properly
[04:46] <cricketfart> Yeah, but we'd see him log out and back on if he's switching
[04:47] <EriC^^> nah he came on here and was asking how to boot and immediately booted in
[04:47] <cricketfart> I guess lol sorry mate
[04:47] <bmelcher84> sup home slices
[04:47] <kxtwo> no I am on another laptop
[04:48] <daftykins> bmelcher84: not a place for street talk.
[04:48] <kxtwo> before while we were talking, most of tha ttime I was waiting for updates
[04:48]  * Symmetria celebrates
[04:48] <kxtwo> so everything was must gabbing and you guys educating me on fast startup
[04:48] <bmelcher84> just saying hi lol
[04:48] <Symmetria> my raid 5 array finally finished its init
[04:48] <Symmetria> took 5 days!
[04:48] <bmelcher84> whats up? or should i say what is going on good sir?
[04:48] <cfhowlett> bmelcher84 ask your ubuntu question
[04:49] <bmelcher84> cfhowlett: who said i had a question?
[04:49] <Symmetria> my question, does anyone know if there is any planned support for adding highpoint rocketraid controllers into the default install of ubuntu to avoid having to download third party drivers?
[04:49] <EriC^^> bmelcher84: head on to #ubuntu-offtopic then
[04:49] <Symmetria> (or apt packaging them)
[04:50] <bmelcher84> EriC^^: Oh, so this room is only for asking questions? Is there a form of of some type to fill out to help others?
[04:50] <EriC^^> bmelcher84: you mean you want to help? no just go ahead
[04:51] <bmelcher84> EriC^^: usually thats the only reason I come here but seems this time its not welcome
[04:51] <cfhowlett> !behelpful | bmelcher84
[04:52] <kxtwo> ok booting into ubuntu
[04:52] <bmelcher84> ubottu: all I said was hi, none of what your guidelines comment says was done here.
[04:53] <kxtwo> this is so convoluted, I hit f9 then can choose between os manager(which boots windows) and ubuntu(which boots grub and gives me a choice to actually boot ubuntu or boot windows again) lol
[04:53] <bmelcher84> well only a bot would say that :p
[04:53] <bynarie> kxtwo, have u set which partition to boot from in bios?
[04:54] <bmelcher84> kxtwo: I may be coming into this a bit late, but what boot loader are you using?
[04:54] <kxtwo> bynarie, I do not believe there is an option in this bios but could be missing it
[04:55] <bynarie> kxtwo, reason why i ask is because mine WAS the same way until i changed boot order... boot from harddrive has a sub-section that asks me what harddrive/partition to boot from
[04:55] <kxtwo> bmelcher84, I just did a fresh install so I believe that boot loader will be grub, but I have an EFI laptop which is completely new to me and that was the issue, thankfully another user here told me about just using f9 to "change devices" to boot
[04:55] <bmelcher84> kxtwo: http://bit.ly/1FFCsnK
[04:55] <EriC^^> bmelcher84: bynarie he's using uefi, and an hp laptop, which most often has a hard wired bios that will only boot windows efi files, so he'll need to trick the bios by renaming the grub efi file as the windows one and he might have to delete the entry in the efibootmgr ( just maybe )
[04:55] <kxtwo> bynarie, I will double check that
[04:55] <cricketfart> kxtwo windows 8 uses GPT
[04:56] <bmelcher84> I believe that link should solve things right up for you
[04:56] <kxtwo> I do not know what GPT is
[04:56] <cricketfart> !GPT
[04:56] <kxtwo> There was absolutely no fucking need for that
[04:56] <cfhowlett> kxtwo, nor is there a need for such profanity.  stop
[04:56] <EriC^^> kxtwo: ?
[04:56] <cricketfart> kxtwo I was just trying to pull up info for gpt for you.....?
[04:57] <bmelcher84> whoa kxtwo, what is the issue here?
[04:57] <bynarie> LOL that was pretty funny
[04:57] <kxtwo> Not you cricketfart
[04:58] <EriC^^> me?
[04:58] <kxtwo> no
[04:58] <bynarie> kxtwo, i can take a screenshot for you if it could help u figure out what to look for
[04:58] <EriC^^> kxtwo: then who?
[04:58] <kxtwo> just moving on past the smugness of another user
[04:58] <kxtwo> Anyway updates seem to have fixed initial slowness, ubuntu partition is running smooth now
[04:58] <EriC^^> which user?
[04:59] <EriC^^> literally just me and cricketfart spoke to you
[04:59] <EriC^^> and bmelcher84
[04:59] <kxtwo> I think you missed something because that is not exactly true... none the less it's ok
[05:00] <EriC^^> oh ok
[05:00] <kxtwo> as for the EFI stuff, unless there are other reasons to do it, I am ok with having to f9 it to boot into ubuntu
[05:00] <EriC^^> just checked the link
[05:00] <EriC^^> !googleit | bmelcher84
[05:00] <EriC^^> cfhowlett: back me up?
[05:00] <EriC^^> !google | bmelcher84
[05:00] <jirido> Results for | bmelcher84 on Google:
[05:00] <jirido> --
[05:00] <cricketfart> Oh man...  bmelcher...  wtf...  wtf
[05:00] <daftykins> kxtwo: do try and keep the language friendly please :)
[05:01] <cfhowlett> EriC^^, doing my best to stay out of this mess ...
[05:01] <cricketfart> ahahahaah omg
[05:01] <cricketfart> This was great, sorry it's at your expense kxtwo..  From my perspective, this is funny as hell
[05:01] <bynarie> hey kxtwo which device did u install bootloader on? maybe that has somethin to do with it
[05:01] <kxtwo> EriC^^, you see why I was highly annoyed, where I come from you only do that to insult peoples intelligence whilst being smug
[05:03] <EriC^^> did anybody notice there's a google bot in the channel?
[05:03] <kxtwo> bynarie, I did not pick a different partition for the grub so it would have gone on the main ext4 partition by default I assume(full disclosure I am a little rusty and things have changed a bit since my last escapade)
[05:03] <kxtwo> There is an efi partition but I was not messing with that
[05:03] <EriC^^> jirido:
[05:04] <kxtwo> Basically what happens is if I boot it goes right into windows, a simply hit of f9 gives me the ubuntu option, its really not a big deal just new to me.  EriC^^ says there are ways to change files to make that not happen but if there are no other benefits I am thinking for now it is best to leave it alone
[05:04] <bynarie> i believe this is where bios comes into play.. if u have a way of selecting which partition to boot from, its prolly labeled "ubuntu"
[05:04] <bynarie> thats what i had to do kxtwo because i know exactly what u are talking about
[05:04] <kxtwo> btw I am really glad you guys actually acknowledge the whole google thing.  I remember back in the day that was the default answer... google it.... google it.... google it.  Used to drive me nuts.
[05:05] <EriC^^> kxtwo: it's really simple and can be undone easily
[05:05] <kxtwo> bynarie I am going to reboot and check that but from what EriC^^ has said about the tpical HP bios Im suspecting it wont work
[05:05] <bmelcher84> kxtwo: I think we got off on the wrong foot. Is your legacy and secure boot disabled?
[05:05] <bynarie> there should be a HDD Priorities in bios which asks which partition to boot from when booting hard disk
[05:05] <bynarie> bmelcher84, i dont think secure boot really matters in this case
[05:06] <bynarie> kxtwo, maybe not but worth a look at best
[05:06] <kxtwo> bynarie, agreed and bmelcher84 I will check momentarily
[05:06] <bmelcher84> kxtwo: you can try running sudo efibootmgr -v
[05:07] <EriC^^> kxtwo: i've gotten mine to work to help another user here, i leave it with the f9 though cause whenever i leave home i hibernate, and home it's on all the time, unless i decide to venture into youtube with firefox, the f9 is more like in case the laptop gets stolen or something they will boot to windows i guess, and my stuff will go unnoticed maybe
[05:07] <kxtwo> EriC^^, ohh that is a good thought process right there
[05:08] <bynarie> EriC^^, good call
[05:08] <daftykins> little bit like security through obscurity to me ;)
[05:08] <daftykins> anybody with any clue would see right past it :>
[05:08] <kxtwo> legacy is disabled
[05:08] <kxtwo> secure is enabled
[05:08] <cricketfart> How do I see my default gateway in terminal?
[05:08] <bmelcher84> kxtwo: look ^ at the command to run
[05:08] <daftykins> cricketfart: ip route
[05:08] <cricketfart> thanks
[05:08] <kxtwo> wow if I read this correctly enabled legacy would solve all of this
[05:09] <kxtwo> im in bios now, will do so when I get back into ubuntu
[05:09] <daftykins> legacy solves nothing
[05:10] <bmelcher84> kxtwo: what is the output of the command you ran above?
[05:10] <kxtwo> legacy won't boot into UEFI, doesn't that solve the problem?
[05:10] <kxtwo> I'm not there yet hold on
[05:10] <bmelcher84> holding
[05:11] <kxtwo> well it loks like I picked a good time to buy a new laptop I think there is something wrong with this one it keeps going into sleep mode
[05:11] <bynarie> kxtwo, check hdd priorities on bios... later good luck
[05:11] <EriC^^> kxtwo: it's remarkably easy to fix the issue
[05:11] <kxtwo> bynarie, I am there now
[05:11] <bmelcher84> kxtwo: maybe it's tired
[05:11] <EriC^^> you just need to rename 2 files
[05:12] <kxtwo> There is no HDD just OS boot manager
[05:12] <EriC^^> ( most likely )
[05:12] <kxtwo> EriC^^, I am actually not worried about it at this moment to be honest, I was more so just curiosu and enjoying playing with some new stuff.  I think I will keep f9 for the reasons you said.  Will make it harder for them to get into my primary system lol
[05:13] <bmelcher84> kxtwo: for everyone other than who is in this room ;)
[05:13] <kxtwo> but yah without legacy mode there is no HD option just that boot manager and there appears to be no further o ptions beyond that
[05:13] <EriC^^> *dum* *dum* *dum*
[05:14] <kxtwo> ok let me try the eficonfig thing now
[05:14] <loadedanvils> hello
[05:14] <loadedanvils> what's the default cursor theme in unity?
[05:15] <kxtwo> damn it, ok maybe f9 will be annoying.  didn't hit it quickly enough lol
[05:16] <bmelcher84> kxtwo: ctrl, alt, and del will become your best friends
[05:16] <EriC^^> yeah, i'd rename the files
[05:16] <EriC^^> i literally type uptime sometimes and get shocked
[05:17] <EriC^^> ubuntu goes for weeks at time running here
[05:17] <bmelcher84> kxtwo: are you running 32 or 64
[05:18] <kxtwo> 64
[05:18] <kxtwo> ok and got the output from the efibootmgr
[05:18] <EriC^^> if you're going to be rebooting or using windows often definitely rename the files
[05:18] <kxtwo> I shutdown a lot
[05:18] <kxtwo> I probably wont use windows a lot
[05:18] <kxtwo> but it will be nice to know how to do this anyway
[05:18] <bmelcher84> kxtwo: what was the output?
[05:19] <kxtwo> um
[05:19] <kxtwo> there is a lot here, how ab out you tell me what you ar elooking for lol
[05:20] <cfhowlett> !paste | kxtwo, is your friend
[05:20] <kxtwo> machine is not on the network
[05:20] <bmelcher84> kxtwo: dont be scared http://goo.gl/yoJHq4
[05:22] <kxtwo> this is interesting
[05:23] <kxtwo> only difference is that my EFI has it's own partition
[05:24] <EriC^^> kxtwo: it's mounted at /boot/efi
[05:24] <EriC^^> kxtwo: that's literally what i was telling you you could do
[05:24] <EriC^^> except i'd back it up as bootmgfw.efi.backup in the same dir
[05:25] <kxtwo> its not giving me the full path it started at \EFI
[05:25] <EriC^^> kxtwo: also i just remembered you will have to fix grub cause grub wont be able to boot windows for you anymore, cause it's os prober won't find the bootmgfw.efi file anymore
[05:25] <kxtwo> but ya
[05:26] <EriC^^> kxtwo: that's the efibootmgr entry
[05:26] <kxtwo> ah
[05:26] <EriC^^> shows the list that you see when you press f9
[05:26] <kxtwo> well my output is partially gobbly gook
[05:26] <EriC^^> with a certain boot order
[05:26] <kxtwo> anyway I am going to change the *.efi file to efi.backup
[05:26] <kxtwo> and copy the ubuntu one over
[05:27] <EriC^^> hold on
[05:27] <EriC^^> copy shimx64.efi instead of grubx64.efi
[05:27] <kxtwo> can I ask why?
[05:28] <EriC^^> btw on my laptop that wasn't enough, i had to also switch /boot/efi/EFI/Boot/bootx64.efi
[05:28] <EriC^^> and completely annihilate the windows entry in efibootmgr
[05:28] <EriC^^> the thing kept spawning itself again
[05:28] <kxtwo> oh boy now im getting concerned
[05:28] <Scooty-loo> hello, anyone here know about clamav?
[05:29] <EriC^^> kxtwo: you shouldn't be yet, it worked for me, but the guy i was helping worked, except every time he booted into windows it would spawn it again
[05:29] <cricketfart> does anyone know why netflix is so quiet in Ubuntu?  Apparently Chrome browser is the only way to watch Netflix, so I installed it and I'm able to perfectly view it but the volume is so low that I can't hear it.  I turned the volume to max on my laptop and in the browser.  Everything else on my PC is so loud it's distorted over the speakers but I still can't hear Netflix
[05:29] <kxtwo> EriC^^,  you kind of lost me though
[05:30] <kxtwo> what is the difference between shimx and grubx?
[05:30] <kxtwo> lets start there
[05:30] <EriC^^> shimx is for secure boot
[05:30] <Scooty-loo> cricketfart: check your mixer, look at both output volume and application dependent volume
[05:31] <cricketfart> Kk
[05:31] <kxtwo> ok what is the difference?
[05:31] <EriC^^> it's a signed efi file that the uefi will boot
[05:32] <kxtwo> ok im still not understaind the difference between the two but moving on
[05:34] <EriC^^> kxtwo: secure boot only allows you to boot certain stuff, so that nobody boots a virus or malicious os or something, so if the efi file isn't signed and in the list of efi files in the uefi ( bios ) it wont boot it
[05:34] <EriC^^> grubx64.efi is a normal efi file, shimx64.efi is a signed efi file that will work with secure boot
[05:37] <cricketfart> Omfg help!  I just fresh installed ubuntu 14.04 and I forgot what I put the password to as soon as I booted LOL
[05:37] <EriC^^> boot into recovery mode and reset it
[05:37] <kxtwo> ugh I keep tying my commands wrong hold on
[05:38] <daftykins> that's when you know it's bed time
[05:38] <daftykins> ;)
[05:39] <jishjish> HI All, I am looking to migrate from windows family tree maker to ubuntu. However I am struggling with the idea of exporting my data from FamilyTreeMaker 2006 to the widely supported gedcom format (given I have no idea what will happen to all the images I have attached to each person in my family, and or how that data will get migrated).
[05:40] <cricketfart> Ok I'm in recovery mode, what do I do next?
[05:40] <daftykins> follow the steps to boot to a root shell
[05:41] <cricketfart> I got to the point where I type mount -o remount,rw /
[05:41] <daftykins> then run "sudo mount -o remount,rw /"
[05:41] <daftykins> yep
[05:41] <cricketfart> Nothing happened after that
[05:41] <kxtwo> holy shit I am too tired to do this I keep typing the damn file names wrong
[05:41] <daftykins> then "passwd username"
[05:41] <daftykins> kxtwo: stop swearing in here please, two of us warned you already
[05:41] <cricketfart> done thanks daftykins
[05:41] <daftykins> cricketfart: "umount /" then reboot
[05:41] <cricketfart> Done lol thanks
[05:42] <EriC^^> umount / ? seriously?
[05:42] <cricketfart> ?
[05:42] <OerHeks> !info gramps
[05:42] <OerHeks> it supports gedcom format
[05:42] <EriC^^> that works?
[05:42] <daftykins> EriC^^: well i dunno, might be safer in recovery :D
[05:42] <daftykins> i'm rather tipsy at this point :>
[05:42] <cricketfart> HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[05:42] <cricketfart> Me too daftykins
[05:42] <EriC^^> hehe :D
[05:43] <daftykins> my brain says "unmount all the things"
[05:43] <kxtwo> EriC^^, might have to do this tomorrow, hopefully you are on again
[05:43] <OerHeks> jishjish, http://www.techsupportalert.com/best-free-genealogy-family-tree-software.htm
[05:43] <daftykins> EriC^^: were you thinking it was overkill to bother?
[05:43] <kxtwo> just making sure everything boots properly first lol
[05:44] <EriC^^> i was thinking is that possible?
[05:44] <EriC^^> does it work?
[05:44] <daftykins> ah right
[05:44] <daftykins> yeah, pass :D
[05:44] <EriC^^> i guess it could work? just sounded so weird at first
[05:44] <cricketfart> It all worked haha thanks guys
[05:45] <EriC^^> like somebody said throw the baby out of the window or something like that
[05:45] <EriC^^> ( something like that )
[05:46] <jishjish> thanks OerHeks I was more looking for what happens to my data when I export (my trees of people and associated images) to gedcom, given it's a text based format isn't it. How do my images get migrated? I already have a list of applicable linux software.
[05:46] <cricketfart> You know, I've actually reinstalled Linux OSes several times in the past due to forgotten passwords...
[05:46] <daftykins> well, now you know :>
[05:47] <jishjish> cricketfart: me too, such a pain
[05:47] <cricketfart> I'm sooo happy that I can fix that now :D
[05:47] <cricketfart> People talk about this bash script to automate user adds, where can I find reliable information on this short of jfgi?
[05:48] <daftykins> anything that holds your hand stops you learning and remembering the proper way, really
[05:49] <kxtwo> im such an idiot I have that on the network now and could have just logge dinto xchat from there
[05:49] <kxtwo> I've been  using psensor for my temp monitoring, do you guys recommend an alternative or stick with it?
[05:50] <daftykins> lmsensors also exists
[05:50] <EriC^^> kxtwo: i'm using it
[05:50] <kxtwo> isn't psensors a wrapper for that?
[05:50] <AlonzoTG> =\
[05:50] <daftykins> pass
[05:50] <daftykins> oh dear, AlonzoTG doesn't seem to be happy today
[05:51] <cricketfart> daftykins I'm not sure what you mean.  I already know how to use add user and visudo to add users to certain groups...  I'm practicing admin tasks in a linux environment, and I know theres a way to automate, which will help me lol
[05:51] <AlonzoTG> Steam has made it clear that it will, going forward, only install and run on a 32 bit install of <IP_ADDRESS>.32.184.3409575.548.3[21
[05:51] <OerHeks> jishjish, no idea, try it out ?
[05:51] <daftykins> AlonzoTG: what are you running?
[05:51] <AlonzoTG> Steam.
[05:51] <AlonzoTG> I used to run steam.
[05:51] <daftykins> AlonzoTG: no, ubuntu version
[05:52] <AlonzoTG> I want to run steam.
[05:52]  * daftykins facepalms
[05:52] <AlonzoTG> That's the rub of it.
[05:52] <daftykins> you make zero sense
[05:52] <cricketfart> AlonzoTG install Wine from software center, download a windows version of steam and install it with wine
[05:52] <OerHeks> cricketfart, wrong, wine only do 32 bit :-D
[05:52] <cricketfart> OerHeks, I have Wine running on an x64
[05:52] <AlonzoTG> I don't use ubuntu. I have it on my laptop but that install has fallen apart due to a version conflict between the updates it insists on installing at a rate of 5 times per second...
[05:53] <daftykins> AlonzoTG: so why are you in here? what of your 'problem' is an ubuntu problem?
[05:53] <OerHeks> cricketfart, 64 bit app in wine ? come on ..
[05:53] <AlonzoTG> No, linux has deteriorated (or rather my previous motherboard had...) to the point that I actually built my first windows machine in 23 years and have it on HT duty.
[05:53] <cricketfart> Oerheks Maybe I'm misunderstanding you
[05:53] <AlonzoTG> So what I did was I got me debootstrap,
[05:53] <cricketfart> I have a 64 bit installation of Ubuntu and I'm using Wine in it
[05:53] <AlonzoTG> and installed the PRECISE version that Steam needed...
[05:53] <EriC^^> daftykins: :D
[05:54] <daftykins> AlonzoTG: is there any chance you can skip to the *executive summary* that cuts this life story short?
[05:54] <EriC^^> :D
[05:54] <OerHeks> cricketfart, so what is the use of 32 bit wine, as ubuntu has native steam ..
[05:54] <cricketfart> LOLLLL
[05:54] <daftykins> AlonzoTG: i see what you did there, 12.04 - precise
[05:54] <OerHeks> cricketfart, stop trolling please
[05:54] <AlonzoTG> So I am wandering around this 32 bit chrooted environment that is supposed to be running ubuntu.
[05:55] <cricketfart> OerHeks, In my case, it was to be able to run AoE2 which doesn't run in the native Ubuntu Steam
[05:55] <cricketfart> OerHeks I'm definitely not trolling...
[05:55] <AlonzoTG> Lemme pastebin the error.
[05:55] <daftykins> AlonzoTG: that's not a real install then, not supported
[05:55] <AlonzoTG> But what about all those great linux compatible games I paid Real Money for? =(
[05:56] <cricketfart> If you check into it, a lot of games on the Steam version for Ubuntu will not work on the native steam version and you have to install it with Wine.  Afterwards it requires modding a few registry keys to display the text on Steam properly and then you can easily install Windows Games through Steam
[05:56] <AlonzoTG> https://bpaste.net/show/e4d42337553f
[05:57] <AlonzoTG> Yeah, I've been through all that, now I have a windows machine hooked up to a 46" HDTV, so I'm definitely not in the market for fake-'doze steam right now. =|
[05:58] <fabio> heloo
[05:58] <AlonzoTG> See, my new video card is better than yours and it's aching to be let loose on something AWESOME.
[05:58] <daftykins> how rather trolltastic
[05:58] <OerHeks> just a locales issue ..
[05:59] <OerHeks> AlonzoTG, how did you instal steam, from their website or softwarecenter?
[05:59] <AlonzoTG> ugh...
[05:59] <AlonzoTG> I don't remember how I did it several years ago,
[05:59] <AlonzoTG> been running this machine for longer than I can remember,
[05:59] <AlonzoTG> you may count the new mobo+ video card a new machine or an upgrade at your discretion.
[06:00] <AlonzoTG> Right now I have steam_latest.deb
[06:00] <AlonzoTG> and am trying to install that...
[06:00] <cricketfart> right click and open with software center
[06:00] <AlonzoTG> didn't realize that apt-get install with no other parametrs actually did something...
[06:00] <daftykins> ^this guy spouts uninteresting trollworthy remarks in and amongst half assed attempts at asking for support for a non-ubuntu system
[06:00] <AlonzoTG> I don't have gui working in the chrooted environment yet.
[06:01] <cricketfart> *suicide*
[06:01] <AlonzoTG> anyway, I know what to google now.
[06:01] <AlonzoTG> average xterms open at any given time: 8.
[06:02] <AlonzoTG> look, I've been using Gentoo for 11 years,
[06:02] <daftykins> average bs per line typed: 100%
[06:02] <AlonzoTG> I'm not going to switch distros just because of Steam.
[06:02] <somsip> !ignore | daftykins
[06:02] <daftykins> g'night my fellow helpers
[06:02] <somsip> daftykins: bye :)
[06:03] <EriC^^> daftykins: nighty night
[06:03] <AlonzoTG> I do have ubuntu on my laptop but it's a crappy eeepc that doesn't even support PAE so I can't do jack with it these days.
[06:03] <cricketfart> OerHeks I thought you might know a bit about Wine from your response..  I wondered if you might know why I can't use ALT or CTRL in Wine programs?  ALT opens up the Unity Dash and CTRL has no effects
[06:03] <AlonzoTG> It's great as a little helper device to ssh into the back end of my main pc and kick it when X freezes up.
[06:03] <cricketfart> daftykins night
[06:05] <OerHeks> cricketfart, i don't use wine.
[06:05] <OerHeks> !wine
[06:05] <xangua> cricketfart: what opens with Alt it's actually called HUD, did you try to keep alt pressed for more than half a second¿
[06:06] <bmelcher84> http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/50
[06:06] <cricketfart> xangua Yes I did.  It caused the HUD to rapidly open and close
[06:07] <bmelcher84> xangua: ^^
[06:08] <Scooty-loo> don't think about wine and games unless games uses opengl
[06:08] <Scooty-loo> use*
[06:09] <Scooty-loo> there's still no way to do directx as efficient as on windows
[06:09] <charlesay> how can I go about fixing my display manager/DE, which at the moment doesn't start?
[06:10] <cricketfart> Ugghhhh  I'm trying to print the specs about my Nvidia driver..  Earlier daftykins told me how to do it, something along the lines of grep nvidia..  does anyone know what I'm even talking about?4
[06:12] <daftykins> dpkg -l | grep nvidia
[06:12] <cricketfart> daftykins man you sleep fast, thanks hah
[06:12] <daftykins> only just got in bed \o/
[06:12] <daftykins> o/
[06:13] <cricketfart> haha
[06:15] <kalia> b
[06:15] <kalia> hi
[06:16] <bmelcher84> i got one for you guys. Installed the gnome shell without thinking so i uninstalled it and installed the gnome session fallback. Now when starting the Xserver, i get a black screen. I feel its still trying to run the ubuntu desktop. I should restart and see what happens, but I figured as lazy as I am that I would type all of this first
[06:16] <bmelcher84> i got one for you guys. Installed the gnome shell without thinking so i uninstalled it and installed the gnome session fallback. Now when starting the Xserver, i get a black screen.
[06:17] <bmelcher84> are my messsages going through? it keeps saying flood protection
[06:18] <linuxuz3r> yes i can read your message
[06:18] <bmelcher84> ah
[06:21] <cricketfart> I can't get ALT or CTRL to work in Wine applications.  ALT makes the Ubuntu Dash open up and CTRL literally does nothing.  Does anyone know what I can do to fix this? Lenovo Ideapad P580  Intel I7 - 3520, Nvidia GT630M NVIDIA binary driver version 331.113 from nvidia-331 (Proprietary, Tested) http://paste.ubuntu.com/10199729/
[06:23] <jayjo> I'm having a problem with python on my machine- I can access system variables that I put into /etc/profile.d/myvar.sh so they are there even on reboot. If I run echo $MY_VAR it prints it out, but when python is run from www-data it shows up as nothing. ]
[06:26] <cricketfart> AlonzoTG, Hey can you explain this to me
[06:26] <cricketfart> * cricketfart sets mode +i cricketfart
[06:26] <cricketfart> * [AlonzoTG] (~atg@pool-72-66-104-220.washdc.fios.verizon.net): Alan Grimes
[06:26] <cricketfart> * [AlonzoTG] #ubuntu
[06:26] <cricketfart> * [AlonzoTG] rajaniemi.freenode.net :Helsinki, FI, EU
[06:26] <cricketfart> * [AlonzoTG] idle 00:00:01, signon: Thu Feb 12 17:57:54
[06:26] <cricketfart> * [AlonzoTG] is logged in as AlonzoTG
[06:32] <articulas> to many system msgs
[06:33] <articulas> Hello
[06:34] <SamHyde> hah can't believe my psychiatrist pays for this software on win http://i.imgur.com/WXDW1QF.png
[06:34] <SamHyde> it's just your run of the mill daatabase.. even left filemaker pro in the app title..
[06:34] <SamHyde> im sure i can get something just as good natively on linux, and make it free and open source, esp since i studied psychiatry
[06:34] <SamHyde> just need to learn database now..
[06:35] <cricketfart> SamHyde what's this have to do with Ubuntu help?
[06:35] <SamHyde> Is this only a help channel? No chatting?
[06:35] <cricketfart> That is correct
[06:35] <SamHyde> That is correct, sigmund! Alright, SS.
[06:36] <cricketfart> Oh clever lol
[06:37] <SamHyde> Hey, no commentary.
[06:37] <SamHyde> Does anyone have a question regarding Ubuntu?
[06:44] <jishjish> hi all, do ubuntu offer a i386 version of a minimal ubuntu installation for 32bit?
[06:48] <charlesay> how would one put a linux iso on a dvd from the command line?
[06:48] <OerHeks> jishjish, sure, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[06:50] <jishjish> OerHeks:yes, I've been there, hence I am here asking "is there a i386 supported version of the minimal download?
[06:51] <OerHeks> charlesay, sudo dd if=/path/to/ubuntu.iso of=/dev/sdX ( where sdX is your usb device sda/sdb/sdc ..)
[06:51] <charlesay> OerHeks: thanks, wasn't sure dd worked with optical media (not sure why I thought so, though.)
[06:51] <OerHeks> jishjish, yes, 12.04 or 14.04 or 14.10 are supported
[06:51] <cricketfart> jishjish Yes there is
[06:53] <OerHeks> charlesay, sorry, dvd should not be dd'd.
[06:53] <OerHeks> http://askubuntu.com/questions/174626/how-do-i-burn-a-dvd-iso-using-the-terminal
[06:54] <jishjish> OerHeks: cricketfart can you point me to an exact link, I can't find it?
[06:54] <jishjish> please*
[06:55] <ctrl-all> can someone tell me why i cant to enter BIOS on mu new samsung np300e5a
[06:55] <OerHeks> jishjish, you have been there .. http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[06:56] <cricketfart> Hey how do I use X11 forwarding from one ubuntu machine to another over SSH
[06:57] <aeon-ltd> cricketfart: iirc isn't it -X , imma google to check now
[06:57] <aeon-ltd> cricketfart: it is but some work is needed apparently http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/12755/how-to-forward-x-over-ssh-from-ubuntu-machine
[06:57] <cricketfart> aeon-ltd, Firefox -X outputs Error: No display specified
[06:58] <phix> ok i fixes it, the correct answer was sudo dpkg-reconfigure initramfs-tools
[06:59] <aeon-ltd> cricketfart: did you read the top answer in the link?
[06:59] <phix> thnx for the attempt though
[07:00] <jishjish> thanks OerHeks are there system requirements for the minimalist distros?
[07:03] <OerHeks> jishjish, no, you can install any desktop
[07:04] <jishjish> so they are designed to support as many low powered desktop as possible.
[07:05] <cricketfart> Yes the steps have been followed now, I get the same error.  X11 forwarding = yes
[07:05] <OerHeks> jishjish, that would be Lubuntu lxde i guess
[07:06] <OerHeks> i386/256 mb/6gb hdd
[07:06] <charlesay> and how would I pass the content of a file as an argument for i.e. wget?
[07:11] <cricketfart> aeon-ltd, I followed the instructions in that link.  It still tells me that "no display specified"
[07:12] <charlesay> never mind, figured it out (probably not most straightforward way)
[07:16] <anon> HI
[07:16] <Guest18403> How to install flash player
[07:16] <Guest18403> ???
[07:16] <ubik_> Which browser, anon?
[07:17] <Guest18403> blackubuntu
[07:19] <cricketfart> !gpt
[07:20] <nolics> so
[07:25] <cricketfart> Is it possible to open a terminal from firefox browser bar?
[07:26] <cricketfart> or could I run ifconfig right in the browser bar in firefox on Ubuntu?
[07:26] <NikolaiToryzin> Nope
[07:27] <NikolaiToryzin> That would be insecure
[07:27] <cricketfart> Yeah I guess it would be lol.
[07:53] <amitprakash> How do I list all the libraries available to link for a gcc program ?
[07:55] <adangladman> you can use ld
[08:00] <aeon-ltd>  /j windows
[08:02] <larsmw> Hi, I have a hp z-book with a FireGL graphics card. Now when I have installed the properitaery fglrx-updates driver, the external monitor is "gone". If I run with the xserver-xorg-video-ati driver, I can use the external monitor, but the screen is not refreshed properly there!? What to do? :)
[08:03] <g3ky> amitprakash, ldd
[08:10] <larsmw> (EE) Screen 1 deleted because of no matching config section. ??
[08:20] <amitprakash> g3ky, ldd just throws me back to usage
[08:22] <g3ky> ldd <program name>
[08:22] <amitprakash> g3ky, um.. I am trying to figure out the command I need to pass to -lLIBNAME
[08:22] <svetlana> "write a proper makefile"
[08:22] <amitprakash> for example, if I want to link against libboost_iostreams.so.1.54.0
[08:23] <svetlana> just -llibboost ?
[08:23] <amitprakash>  /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -llibboost
[08:23] <ikonia> ld is taking the name as "-llibbost"
[08:23] <ikonia> that is not the name
[08:23] <svetlana> odd
[08:26] <obidum> ciao
[08:26] <g3ky> amitprakash, where is libboost_iostreams.so.1.54.0 located?
[08:27] <g3ky> Also, paste here the command you use that gives you that error.