[05:51] <nuu> so as to make pmount believe the mountpoint ain't busy
[05:51] <nuu> you can very well pmount /dev/sda1 ihatepmount if you want ;)
[05:51] <Alarm> ok, first result. i did pmount /dev/sda1 usbdisk and it mounted it , and i can get in . till now i didnt have any problem with it, i had when turning of
[05:51] <paparounas> if anyone knows how to setup an ISDN modem with KPPP plz tell me
[05:52] <Alarm> now let me unmount it
[05:52] <nuu> ok
[05:52] <Alarm> ok unmounted it. now turn it off and on again ?
[05:52] <nuu> yup
[05:52] <ubuntu> anyone here??
[05:53] <Alarm> same error
[05:53] <nuu> usbdisk busy ? or win5 busy ?
[05:53] <ubuntu> what time is it in kubuntu??
[05:53] <dac_> ubuntu,we're here.
[05:53] <Alarm> win5
[05:53] <ubuntu> ok
[05:53] <dromer> hi all, I upgraded my ubuntu yesterday from edgy to feisty, now I can't see any of the rogular window options like move to viewport right
[05:53] <dromer> in beryl*
[05:53] <ubuntu> So I have an internett connection?
[05:53] <nuu> Alarm: cat /etc/fstab | grep -i win5
[05:54] <dac_> yes
[05:54] <ubuntu> How can I check if I have a working internett connection
[05:54] <ubuntu> ??
[05:54] <nuu> ubuntu: no, you're chatting to a local network of proxy bots, emulating irc on your local kubuntu installation
[05:54] <nuu> proxy drone nuu reporting for duty
[05:54] <Daisuke_Ido> ubuntu: uh, you're online if you're here.
[05:54] <Alarm> #/dev/sda1    /media/win5    ntfs    auto,gid=1000,umask=0002    0    0
[05:54] <Jucato> ubuntu: the fact that you're online means you're connected
[05:55] <nuu> Alarm: cat /etc/fstab | grep -i sda1
[05:55] <Alarm> #/dev/sda1    /media/win5    ntfs    auto,gid=1000,umask=0002    0    0
[05:55] <ubuntu> SO you can confirm I have an working internett connection`
[05:55] <Yorokobi> nuu, shorter: grep -i sda1 /etc/fstab
[05:55] <Alarm> same entry
[05:55] <nuu> Yorokobi: deformation ;)
[05:55] <Daisuke_Ido> ubuntu: you do, obviously.  you're here
[05:55] <Alarm> but its commented
[05:55] <Alarm> should i remove it completely ?
[05:56] <nuu> nope, commented should be pretty fine
[05:56] <nuu> hmm
[05:56] <Daisuke_Ido> i need to scour my logs and put up a "clueless" page for some laughs
[05:56] <Alarm> dont get its problem with /media/win5
[05:57] <ubuntu> Do I still have internett??
[05:57] <Yorokobi> No, ubuntu, you don't. Its down now.
[05:57] <ubuntu> Or am I offline now?
[05:57] <ubuntu> a troll??
[05:57] <nuu> Alarm: yet the error reports win5 every time
[05:57] <LjL> correct
[05:57] <nuu> did you reboot your box since you modified fstab ? i know it sounds weird, but...did you ?
[05:57] <Alarm> nuu , a silly question, should i pumount it , turn it off. restart and try ?
[05:58] <Alarm> u're in my mind
[05:58] <nuu> heh
[05:58] <nuu> you haven't ?
[05:58] <Alarm> well i did log out when i did add alarm user in the plugdev only
[05:58] <Alarm> honestly i cant remember if i did restart again after i did comment out that line
[05:58] <nuu> Alarm: grep -i sda1 /etc/mtab
[05:58] <Alarm> let me restart
[05:58] <Alarm> no output
[05:59] <nuu> ok. try a reboot
[05:59] <nuu> see ya
[05:59] <Alarm> okie
[05:59] <Alarm> be back
[06:00] <kilrae_> anybody know the difference between the 'ati' and 'radeon' drivers?
[06:01] <Alarm> ok here i am
[06:01] <bipolar> kilrae: they are the same
[06:01] <Alarm> turn it on ?
[06:01] <bipolar> kilrae: afaik
[06:01] <nuu> yes Alarm
[06:01] <nuu> ah, before you do
[06:01] <nuu> sudo rmdir /media/win5 please :)
[06:02] <bipolar> kilrae: using 'ati' will load radeon if it detects a supported card
[06:02] <Alarm> same
[06:02] <aaroncampbell> Has anyone had problems printing from any specific applications?  Maybe Java based apps?  I can't seem to print from Zend Studio, but I can print from everything else I've tried.  It says "No Print Service Found"
[06:02] <bipolar> kilrae: again, afaik. I could be incorrect
[06:02] <nuu> try the rmdir
[06:02] <nuu> does it allow you to delete it ?
[06:02] <Alarm>  the /media/win5 is allready occupied
[06:02] <aaroncampbell> I have a support ticket into Zend, but they seemed unfamiliar with the issue, so I thought I'd ask here too
[06:02] <nuu> heh, this really looks like a busy mountpoint
[06:02] <nuu> yet mtab reports nothing
[06:02] <nuu> hmm
[06:02] <Alarm> ok did remove it
[06:03] <bipolar> kilrae: my laptop uses the 'ati' driver and it loads the 3d radeon support on my radeon 9000
[06:03] <nuu> ok, how ?
[06:03] <Alarm> i mean i removed the win5 dir
[06:03] <nuu> ok, try again
[06:04] <Alarm> nuu and i am sure i am not in that directory when i try to mount it
[06:04] <the_Un-Named> hello all, I got a small problem, I'm fine once I get it installed but my kubuntu feisty fawn(7.04) freezes at 63%, I can install xubuntu 6.06 fine though
[06:04] <Alarm> eheh now i got another error : could not enter folder /media/win5
[06:04] <nuu> would you please delete that /etc/fstab entry :)
[06:04] <nuu> remove the line completely
[06:04] <USMarine> the_Un-Named could the cd be damaged?
[06:04] <nuu> and retry
[06:05] <the_Un-Named> I've tried reburning the cd a few times and the md5 checksum is fine
[06:05] <nuu> i know this SHOULD NOT work, but at this point, i wouldnt be surprised if it did
[06:05] <pose> did somone know a good erp for linux?
[06:05] <USMarine> the_Un-Named i had some edgy problems when using the kubuntu cd, so i installed ubuntu and then migrated the desktop
[06:05] <kilrae> aha, i found it
[06:05] <llutz> hi
[06:05] <Alarm> ok back to the old classics now: mount point /media/win5 is allready occupied
[06:06] <nuu> is the directory there ?^
[06:06] <the_Un-Named> USMarine, I assume I should just install ubuntu then apt-get update?
[06:06] <Alarm> nuu not really
[06:06] <kilrae> ati is a loader for all ati cards, it detects your card and loads the proper driver for that series
[06:06] <nuu> grep -Ri win5 /etc/*
[06:06] <USMarine> the_Un-Named no, aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[06:06] <nuu> anything jumping to the eye ?
[06:06] <the_Un-Named> ok thanks, I'll try it and post back in 2 weeks
[06:07] <Alarm> many permitions denied i see..
[06:08] <Alarm> but nothing with win5
[06:08] <nuu> ah, you're not logged in as root...put "sudo" in front of that line
[06:09] <nuu> also, plug the disk in, and do a sudo vol_id /dev/sda1
[06:09] <Alarm> nuu no return
[06:09] <just-this-time> !ntfs
[06:09] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[06:09] <Alarm> rockpc:/home/alarm# vol_id /dev/sda1
[06:09] <Alarm> bash: vol_id: command not found
[06:10] <nuu> sudo apt-get install volumeid
[06:10] <nuu> and retry
[06:10] <Alarm> now i will dissapoint u, i am on debian , and i dont see any volumeid in the repository
[06:11] <nuu> oh
[06:11] <[tUd] Pensacola> is it normal for the screensaver to work in preview but not when it's actually needed in 7.04?
[06:11] <acidBURN> anyone for help with netgear WG511T
[06:11] <Alarm> could i maybe have done something wrong when adding the user alarm in the plugdev group ?
[06:12] <nuu> type "groups"
[06:12] <llutz> acidBURN: works fine here with madwifi-ng driver (atheros-chipset)
[06:12] <Alarm> hold on. now there is a win5 directory in the /media  . a folder with the lock on it. like having not enough permition to enter
[06:12] <nuu> heh
[06:12] <Alarm> alarm@rockpc:~$ groups
[06:12] <Alarm> alarm dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev netdev powerdev
[06:12] <nuu> something is still creating that directory
[06:13] <Alarm> and thats the error i get: you do not have enough permitions to read file:///media/win5
[06:13] <nuu> ls -l /media/win5
[06:13] <nuu> what are the permissions and owner ?
[06:13] <Alarm> i did 1-2 mins ago with: mkdir /media/win5 && mount -a , but it didnt chance something
[06:13] <nuu> mount -a mounts whatever is in your fstab
[06:13] <Alarm> alarm@rockpc:~$ ls -l /media/win5
[06:13] <Alarm> ls: /media/win5: Permission denied
[06:14] <ahvargas> hi
[06:14] <Alarm> i guess as i must be root for that
[06:14] <nuu> heh
[06:14] <Yorokobi> Alarm, try sudo ls -ld /media/win5
[06:14] <ahvargas> anyone knows how to list targets in a makefile?
[06:14] <Alarm> rockpc:/home/alarm# ls -ld /media/win5
[06:14] <Alarm> drwx------ 2 root root 4096 2007-04-30 19:03 /media/win5
[06:14] <nuu> Alarm: ls -l /media | grep win5
[06:15] <nuu> no sudo
[06:15] <Alarm> alarm@rockpc:~$ ls -l /media | grep win5
[06:15] <Alarm> drwx------  2 root root   4096 2007-04-30 19:03 win5
[06:15] <Alarm> i know that if i will try pmount /dev/sda1 it will mount it without any problem, the problem starts when i turn it off and on again
[06:16] <nuu> Alarm: sudo chmod 755 /media/win5
[06:16] <Alarm> and for some reason it got stuck with the win5 dir
[06:16] <Alarm> ok did that
[06:16] <nuu> retry plugging the disk in
[06:16] <Alarm> okie ,
[06:17] <Alarm> the mount point /media/win5 is allready occupied
[06:17] <Alarm> feel like giving up nuu  ? :)
[06:17] <Alarm> rockpc:/home/alarm# umount /media/win5 ----- umount: /media/win5: not mounted
[06:17] <c1|freaky> hi all. how can i share a directory on my laptop (kubuntu) and make it accessible to a windows machine (samba) without the need of a password?
[06:17] <nuu> i'd like to rule out pmount though
[06:17] <nuu> before i give up
[06:18] <Alarm> :)
[06:18] <nuu> sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /media/win5
[06:18] <Alarm> okie done (beware nothing in the fstab)
[06:18] <Alarm> next ?
[06:18] <nuu> it mounted alright ??
[06:20] <Alarm> not really
[06:20] <Alarm> could not enter folder /media/win5
[06:20] <Alarm> although while mounting i didnt get any error
[06:20] <Alarm> plus , the win5 directory is again with the lock on it .
[06:20] <nuu> you mean, you can't enter it right now ?
[06:20] <nuu> but it's mounted ?
[06:20] <nuu> what does mount | grep win5 say ?
[06:20] <Alarm> while trying to enter, i dont have enough permition
[06:20] <ahvargas> anyone knows how to list targets in a makefile?? im usuing gnumake 3.81
[06:20] <lman_> hello.  How can I change konquorer settings so compressed files dont show up as folders in the navigation panel?
[06:20] <Alarm> /dev/sda1 on /media/win5 type ntfs (rw)
[06:21] <nuu> right, now sudo umount /media/win5
[06:21] <Alarm> ok done
[06:21] <ohmbr> hi, how do i upgrade my kubuntu to 7.04?
[06:21] <nuu> and again: mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /media/win5
[06:21] <nuu> without sudo
[06:21] <Alarm> the win5 dir,. also dissapeared
[06:21] <nuu> disappeared ?
[06:21] <nuu> hm
[06:21] <Alarm> alarm@rockpc:~$ mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /media/win5
[06:21] <Alarm> mount: only root can do that
[06:22] <nuu> ok, pmount /dev/sda1
[06:22] <ahvargas> ohmbr: wich version are you running?
[06:22] <Alarm> no win5 dir appeared. but when pressing on media:/ Movable icon i can get in
[06:22] <Alarm> "can"
[06:23] <ericsson> Does anyone know how to increase brightness of videos in Kaffeine during video playback? (right-click -> Increase brightness does not work)
[06:23] <nuu> good, pumount /dev/sda1 (while outside that dir in both gui and cmdline)
[06:23] <ohmbr> ahvargas: 6.06
[06:23] <llivne> hi guys
[06:23] <Alarm> ok did that
[06:23] <nuu> what'd it say ?
[06:23] <llivne> mind giving me a hand?
[06:23] <nuu> all fine ?
[06:23] <Alarm> yeap
[06:23] <Alarm> pumounted it
[06:24] <nuu> what does mount | grep sda1 say ?
[06:24] <llivne> whan i shut down from linux the pc stays on how do i fix that?
[06:24] <Alarm> no return
[06:24] <nuu> good, plug the disk out, then back in
[06:25] <Alarm> ok
[06:25] <Alarm> could not enter /media/win5
[06:25] <Pensacola> my screensaver doesn't work :'(
[06:25] <nuu> you're using kde ?
[06:26] <Alarm> kde
[06:26] <Pensacola> jep
[06:26] <llivne> guys a littile help here?
[06:26] <nuu> this looks to me like an issue with kde and its automounter wrapper gui
[06:27] <nuu> it's almost as if kde stores an obsolete copy of fstab somewhere
[06:27] <nuu> or perhaps just "remembers" old settings
[06:27] <nuu> and keeps on applying it when the automounter box pops up
[06:27] <nuu> as you can see, if you mount or pmount the disk, manually, the whole process works
[06:27] <Alarm> okie :) i will check later on on #debian as well
[06:27] <nuu> you can mount as normal user, so therefore pmount and the plugdev addage worked
[06:28] <Alarm> true
[06:28] <nuu> i can tell you this: your binaries arent wrong. it's something with the gui
[06:28] <nuu> granted
[06:28] <nuu> one last try, after you unplug the disk
[06:28] <Alarm> could be
[06:28] <nuu> plug it in, and tell kde not to do anything
[06:28] <Alarm> tell me
[06:28] <Alarm> ok
[06:28] <nuu> then from cmdline, sudo mount /dev/sda1
[06:28] <ohmbr> ahvargas: any ideias?
[06:28] <nuu> no mount point or fs type
[06:29] <Alarm> ok
[06:29] <nuu> if it says "not in fstab", then 100% is a kde issue
[06:29] <johny> Hello guys :D. Does anyone know what the last k3b version for kubuntu is, and where to find it?
[06:29] <nuu> as your fstab is clean, and recognized as such by mount
[06:29] <Alarm> rockpc:/home/alarm# mount /dev/sda1
[06:29] <Alarm> mount: /dev/sda1 already mounted or /media/win5 busy
[06:29] <Alarm> mount: according to mtab, /dev/sda1 is already mounted on /media/win5
[06:29] <ahvargas> ohmbr:just run the adept manager
[06:29] <nuu> sudo umount /dev/sda1
[06:29] <nuu> first
[06:29] <ahvargas> and it will promt there is a new version
[06:29] <ahvargas> tell to downlaod and ther you go
[06:29] <nuu> and then sudo mount /dev/sda1
[06:30] <ahvargas> anoyone has experience with make command???
[06:30] <ohmbr> ahvargas: do i need backup any tinhg?
[06:30] <Alarm> thats what i did nuu
[06:30] <nuu> output from sudo mount | grep sda1 ?
[06:31] <Alarm> /dev/sda1 on /media/win5 type ntfs (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,sync)
[06:31] <nuu> k, it's still mounted
[06:31] <nuu> hm, wild try
[06:31] <nuu> switch to a termianl
[06:31] <nuu> terminal sorry
[06:31] <nuu> and try from there
[06:31] <nuu> same round of tests
[06:31] <nuu> unplug, plug, pmount, pumount, mount etc
[06:32] <Alarm> okie i will do the steps we did here
[06:32] <nuu> see if you notice any discrepancy
[06:32] <nuu> with what happened in kde
[06:32] <nuu> ok, off now
[06:32] <nuu> i'll ttyl :)
[06:32] <Alarm> okie
[06:32] <nuu> let me know if you find a solution
[06:32] <Alarm> thank you a lot for ur help and ur time :)
[06:32] <Alarm> i will be arround :)
[06:32] <nuu> later :)
[06:32] <Alarm> thanks once more
[06:32] <Alarm> bye
[06:33] <ahvargas> ohmbr: nope ,
[06:34] <ahvargas> ohmbr: you wil be just fine , but i will recomendo you to backup your sensible data
[06:34] <ahvargas> ahmbr: just for precaution :P
[06:35] <ohmbr> ahvargas: i'm running ltsp... do l backup this configuration files?
[06:36] <ahvargas> ohmbr: yes i will recomend that
[06:37] <ohmbr> ahvargas: ok... tks...
[06:37] <dennis_> hi! what can i do to watch .wmv files?
[06:37] <ubuntu> yo
[06:37] <ubuntu> yo peeps
[06:38] <dragan> how to recompile kernel and REMOVE SMP support?
[06:39] <llutz> dragan: deselect multiprocessor support (or install the -386 kernel)
[06:39] <dragan> llutz: is this available on DVD 7.04?
[06:40] <llutz> dragan: don't know, "apt-cache search" tells you
[06:40] <dragan> I have disabled support.. and now tryin g to recompiel
[06:40] <MajorApus> why would one of my hard drives not in use be randomly spinning up and seeking
[06:40] <llutz> dragan: why don't you use the -386-kernel?
[06:40] <ahvargas> ohmbr:ok no problem
[06:40] <dragan> now you tell me ;-)
[06:41] <dragan> can I use -686 ?
[06:41] <dragan> on amd turion 64b?
[06:41] <llutz> dragan: -686 is obseleted by -generic, i guess the -386 is the only one without smp
[06:42] <ahvargas> dragan: there is a very good guide in http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_ubuntu
[06:42] <dragan> -386 is also absoleted by generis... at least adept says so
[06:42] <llutz> dragan: strange, i installed a -386 and it was missing smp-support here
[06:42] <ahvargas> dragan: i feel you anly need to run make menuconfig and select the options u need
[06:42] <Yorokobi> llutz, are you using Feisty?
[06:42] <llutz> Yorokobi: yes
[06:43] <dragan> will this fix wifi issue with feisty?
[06:43] <dragan> I got that BUG: .. something CPU#0 error
[06:43] <ahvargas> anyone knows ow to list targets in make??
[06:43] <maini10> Hello, someone knows how have to be triaged bug in KDE 3.5.6 with Kubuntu 6.10. Have that packages the same support for bugs.
[06:44] <just-this-time> \o
[06:44] <Dekans> does bcm43xx module manage 54MB ?
[06:44] <aaroncampbell> I'm working with Zend support for a problem with my Zend Studio, and they asked me to "export the path" from the console, and let them know what it was.  How do I do that
[06:45] <RytmenPinnen> !nvidia
[06:45] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:45] <just-this-time> want sda5 ntfs, mount readable by commonsystem user owned by root and permissions dr-x-------
[06:45] <Yorokobi> aaroncampbell, echo $PATH
[06:45] <just-this-time> !ntfs
[06:45] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[06:46] <aaroncampbell> thank Yorokobi
[06:46] <dragan> ahvargas: you think that with make menuconfig WITHOUT recompile new setting will work??
[06:47] <ahvargas> dragan: no u need to recompile
[06:48] <ahvargas> dragan: i was trying to say that u need to specify your opts
[06:49] <RytmenPinnen> "System -> Administration -> Restricted Devices Manager" Doesnt excist
[06:49] <Jucato> RytmenPinnen: that only exists on Ubuntu (GNOME).
[06:49] <llutz> dragan: "linux-image-386 - Linux kernel image on 386"  not marked as being obsoleted here....
[06:50] <RytmenPinnen> right, where shall I get the drivers then
[06:50] <Yorokobi> llutz, dragan is using an AMD64 processor IIRC
[06:51] <llutz> Yorokobi: if he don't want SMP it makes no difference (afaik)
[06:51] <llutz> dragan: are you using 64bit-installation?
[06:51] <dragan> llutz: you are right... it is not obsolete.. was not looking close enough
[06:51] <dragan> no.. not 64b install
[06:52] <llutz> dragan: then -386 should be fine if you just want no SMP
[06:52] <dragan> and smp is bustin up my rt61 driver
[06:52] <dragan> installed .. now to test ;-)
[06:53] <RytmenPinnen> !nvidia
[06:53] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:53] <stoft> I want to deinstall my old kernels (2.6.12 and 2.6.15), I suppose it's just "apt-get remove --purge linux-image-2.6.12...", but anything I should think about/worry about?
[06:54] <dragan> yeah baby!
[06:54] <FireTalon> is it safe to apt-get the new test release of kde 4?
[06:54] <Yorokobi> stoft, you can't purge the kernel you're system is using. You'll have to install another kernel, boot to it, then purge the other images.
[06:54] <dragan> 10x llutz.. I am new at debian compile... kernel issues at all.. was used to do it by hand..
[06:55] <dragan> now rt61 works
[06:55] <dragan> 10x again.. bye
[06:55] <malik__> how do i enable display pic in kopete?
[06:55] <stoft> Yorokobi: I'm on feisty, running 2.6.20. the others are from previous versions of (k)ubuntu
[06:56] <just-this-time> root owns sda5 and root is disabled
[06:56] <Yorokobi> stoft, then you shouldn't have a problem purging them
[06:56] <stoft> Yorokobi: ty
[06:56] <just-this-time> can sudo fix permissions for ntfs mounting ?
[06:57] <stoft> just-this-time: have you already read the ntfs guides?
[06:57] <just-this-time> stoft where ?
[06:57] <stoft> !ntfs | just-this-time
[06:57] <ubotu> just-this-time: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[06:57] <just-this-time> stoft where ?
[06:57] <stoft> !ntfs-3g | just-this-time
[06:57] <ubotu> just-this-time: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[06:58] <just-this-time> stoft the first yes not so comprehensive
[06:58] <phratman> Hey all, out of curiosity, is there any way around this?
[06:58] <just-this-time> joined user to fuse group
[06:58] <phratman> ssh user@server 'sudo command' will demand that I enter a password twice.
[06:59] <Yorokobi> phratman, ssh -t ...
[06:59] <just-this-time> but sda5 is permitted only to owner and root is not enabled on ubuntu
[06:59] <phratman> The first password, obviously, is to allow me access to the machine.
[06:59] <phratman> The second time however, it asks for what to feed sudo and then it displays my password in *cleartext*! Emphasis on the cleartext.
[06:59] <Yorokobi> phratman, ssh -t user@host "sudo command"
[07:00] <stoft> just-this-time: root is not enabled as an account, but you can "become" using "sudo"
[07:00] <stoft> !root
[07:00] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[07:00] <phratman> Yorokobi: Ah, cool.
[07:00] <atidem> !it
[07:00] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[07:01] <kilrae> oooh, full speed video playback
[07:01] <just-this-time> whaaat is .hal-mtab-lock  in /media folder ?
[07:01] <phratman> Yorokobi: Thanks, that's just what I was looking for.
[07:01] <Yorokobi> phratman, np
[07:01] <Pollywog> my vid card is Geforce 7600GS, should I be using the "new" nvidia packages in Feisty?
[07:02] <stoft> just-this-time: I'm guessing it's a lock file created by hald (hardware abstraction layer daemon)
[07:02] <Pollywog> it is a PNY Verto
[07:02] <stoft> just-this-time: I would leave it alone
[07:02] <just-this-time> you on feisty stoft?
[07:02] <stoft> just-this-time: yes
[07:02] <djdarkman> how can  set a proceses priority to low?
[07:02] <acemo> is there any way to make a program start in maximized mode when i start it from Kmenu?
[07:02] <just-this-time> and have some ntfs to mount stoft ?
[07:02] <llutz> djdarkman: renice
[07:02] <Yorokobi> Pollywog, its up to you. The -new on will work. I use it for my 6200
[07:03] <Pollywog> will the plain nvldia-glx work in Feisty?
[07:03] <stoft> just-this-time: ntfs mounted yes
[07:03] <RytmenPinnen> How do I install nvidia drivers? I tried !nvidia but it says I need the restricted driver manager wich I just heard doesnt excist in kubuntu
[07:03] <Pollywog> I use a generic kernel
[07:03] <blekos> i've changed the su psswd but when i run adept manager i still have to enter user's psswd
[07:03] <RytmenPinnen> They dont seem to excist in the adept manager either
[07:04] <just-this-time> stoftf can you pls check permisions on folder containing mounted ntfs ?
[07:04] <stoft> blekos: the su password? sudo asks for your user password
[07:04] <Pollywog> Yorokobi: ty
[07:04] <just-this-time> mine is sda5 and is dr-x-------- stoft
[07:04] <stoft> just-this-time: root, but that's the way I want it
[07:04] <stoft> just-this-time: same here
[07:04] <acemo> RytmenPinnen: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common
[07:04] <just-this-time> ok what about group permissions
[07:04] <stoft> just-this-time: same. what is it you want to do?
[07:05] <just-this-time> so how does the common user use ntfs
[07:05] <just-this-time> read only
[07:05] <Pollywog> anyone know when the vmware issue will get fixed?  I updated to vmware workstation 5.4 yesterday but still can't run vmweare with Feisty
[07:05] <just-this-time> use kxmame from ubuntu
[07:06] <stoft> just-this-time: see, now that was what the ntfs-3g guide was for ;)
[07:06] <just-this-time> stoft roms are on ntfs partition readonly is ok
[07:06] <djdarkman> isn``t there a lower priority then 0?
[07:06] <stoft> !ntfs-3g | just-this-time
[07:06] <ubotu> just-this-time: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[07:06] <just-this-time> no write stoft
[07:06] <djdarkman> I`m compliing something and it realy eats my resources
[07:06] <just-this-time> no need
[07:06] <just-this-time> read is enough
[07:07] <llutz> djdarkman: +20
[07:07] <just-this-time> ty anyway
[07:08] <stoft> just-this-time: iirc by default, if you don't use the ntfs-3g driver your ntfs partitions will be set read-only for user root and no one else. I suggest trying the ntfs-3g driver and see if it permits other users to read.
[07:08] <djdarkman> it`s slows my system ,what other method is therre to slow down a program?
[07:09] <epimeth> oh come on!  I have to install the windows version of firefox to get shockwave working?
[07:10] <Yorokobi> epimeth, no you don't.
[07:10] <epimeth> yay!
[07:10] <epimeth> you're about to say I can use ies4linux, aren't you?  I'm actually about to do just that :-)
[07:11] <Yorokobi> epimeth, you can install the flash player from the adobe website, and/or the gnash mozilla plugin from the repos (or the flashplayer from the repos).
[07:11] <franz> hi
[07:11] <just-this-time> ok
[07:11] <epimeth> not flash, shockwave....
[07:12] <epimeth> Yorokobi: http://www.addictinggames.com/dailyjigsaw.html - an example
[07:12] <Yorokobi> the flash plugin provides shockwave
[07:13] <johny> Hello guys :D. Does anyone know what the last k3b version for kubuntu is, and where to find it?
[07:13] <just-this-time> in ntfs-config  -> Enable write support for internal device will be selected by default. Click OK. is grayed on system
[07:14] <djdarkman> johny: sudo apt-get instaall k3b
[07:14] <Jucato> johny: k3b 1.0 (the latest and stable release) is on feisty
[07:14] <djdarkman> *install
[07:14] <Jucato> k3b is always installed by default on any Kubuntu release
[07:14] <johny> Jucato: hello
[07:14] <Jucato> hello
[07:14] <stoft> just-this-time: hang on, let me take a peek
[07:14] <just-this-time> k
[07:15] <johny> Jucato: but the last released version seems to be 1.01 which isn't in the repos..
[07:15] <epimeth> Yorokobi: so why isn't the juzzle game working for me, but regular flash is fine?
[07:15] <Jucato> ah yeah... 1.0.1 didn't make it. I think it was released a few weeks after 1.0 was
[07:16] <johny> Jucato: Will it be included in the repositories?
[07:16] <Jucato> johny: that really depends. I haven't heard about it yet, but it might be available as an update
[07:17] <RytmenPinnen> um, my glx gears broke when i installed nvidia drivers with sudo apt get so now I cant test if it was succesful
[07:18] <johny> Jucato: Ok , that's all I wanted to know. Thank you, as always -:D
[07:19] <epimeth> Jucato: know anything about shockwave?  the regular flash plugin isn't doing it for me :-)
[07:19] <Jucato> epimeth: hm... not really...
[07:19] <aleksanteri> hey
[07:20] <epimeth> Jucato: cheers anyway
[07:20] <aleksanteri> my kbfx doesn't seem to do anything on my start menu, how can i "activate" it?
[07:22] <atidem> reboot
[07:22] <stoft> just-this-time: ok, think I figured it out now. "sudo umount" your ntfs drive, open ntfs config tool, don't check the checkboxes. the partition will be mounted "dr-xr-xr-x"
[07:24] <luca> good day to everyone
[07:24] <franky_> hi! i'd like to install superkaramba on kubuntu...i wanted to ask if it is necessary to download it from the web (tnx very much for the attention and sorry for the stupid questio)
[07:24] <korobase> How to search a channel in a irc?
[07:24] <korobase> How to search a channel in an irc?
[07:24] <aleksanteri> korobase: /list <pattern>
[07:24] <posingaspopular> korobase: what are you looking for?
[07:25] <aleksanteri> oh
[07:25] <aleksanteri> !ot | korobase
[07:25] <luca> franky_ : open your adept_installer and select superkaramba for install (you will need to download it, but the program will do everything automatically)
[07:25] <ubotu> korobase: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[07:25] <korobase> I want to search a channel about nexuiz
[07:25] <Jucato> korobase: Window -> Channel List (in Konversation)
[07:25] <aleksanteri> ah XD
[07:25] <olimpico> Does someone knows how to make the bash.bashrc be loaded autmatically when connectin through ssh?
[07:25] <stoft> franky_: apt-get install superkaramba
[07:25] <aleksanteri> lol i'm such a !@#%&
[07:25] <luca> can someone help me set correctly the Bus ID PCI for an NVIDIA 7300 integrated card?
[07:25] <franky_> luca tnx very much
[07:25] <posingaspopular> sudo apt-get install superkaramba
[07:25] <luca> frankY_ np :D
[07:25] <aleksanteri> my kbfx doesn't seem to do anything on my start menu, how can i "activate" it?
[07:26] <Yorokobi> olimpico, the /etc/bash.bashrc?
[07:26] <luca> aleksanteri open your add applet window (right click on panel) and add kbfx to your panel
[07:26] <aleksanteri> cool, thx :)
[07:27] <RytmenPinnen> Help!
[07:27] <luca> np
[07:27] <RytmenPinnen> I choose to use property drivers and now my resultuion is max 640
[07:27] <Yorokobi> olimpico, 'sudo echo ". /etc/bash.bashrc" >> /etc/login.defs' might work
[07:27] <olimpico> Yorokobi: You know to overwrite the PS1
[07:28] <Yorokobi> olimpico, or simply set PS1 in /etc/login.defs
[07:28] <olimpico> Well, I think, this is done by the /etc/profile
[07:28] <aleksanteri> hmm now i can't move the kfbx kicker into place :/
[07:28] <olimpico> Yorokobi: Well, I think, this is done by the /etc/profile
[07:29] <Yorokobi> olimpico, it might be ... *shrug* its been a while since I looked at the bash login procedure
[07:29] <olimpico> Yorokobi: Thr problem is that it's not working when I connect through ssh
[07:29] <Yorokobi> olimpico, it should work if you set it in ~/.bashrc and/or ~/.bash_profile
[07:29] <olimpico> Yorokobi: the /etc/bash.bashrc in ubuntu, is called by the /etc/profile
[07:29] <RytmenPinnen> help
[07:30] <RytmenPinnen> changing back to regular drivers didnt hekp
[07:30] <RytmenPinnen> I have restarded x
[07:31] <bbeck_> Has anyone been able to get window decorations to appear when using beryl?
[07:31] <RytmenPinnen> !nvidia
[07:31] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:31] <Yorokobi> bbeck_, emerald or aquamarine decorations ?
[07:31] <bbeck_> I've tried both, but neither seem to appear.
[07:32] <olimpico> Yorokobi: What will that be the difference?
[07:32] <Yorokobi> olimpico, between .bashrc and .bash_profile?
[07:32] <olimpico> it all works fine, if I type: source /etc/profile
[07:32] <RytmenPinnen> My resoltion is stuck on 640x 480 when I installed nvidia drivers
[07:33] <olimpico> Yorokobi: it all works fine, if I type: source /etc/profile, the problem is that it's not being called autmatically when I connect with ssh.
[07:33] <olimpico> Yorokobi: I don't think that making a ~/.bashrc will make a difference, do you?
[07:34] <RytmenPinnen> How do II fix this? its impossible to google for something at this resolution
[07:35] <Yorokobi> olimpico, .bashrc and .bash_profile should both be read during a login shell invocation.
[07:35] <olimpico> OK!! That did the trick!! You were right! Thanks!
[07:35] <Yorokobi> olimpico, you're welcome
[07:36] <RytmenPinnen> Helo?
[07:36] <Yorokobi> !fixres | RytmenPinnen
[07:36] <ubotu> RytmenPinnen: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:37] <victor__> Hi!
[07:37] <victor__> someone can help me
[07:38] <victor__> generic kernel freezes randomly
[07:38] <victor__> i am whith feisty
[07:38] <victor__> with
[07:38] <victor__> T_T
[07:39] <victor__> i want to change to kenel i385 instead of generic but each timi i try it freezes
[07:40] <victor__> also i have been searching in howtos
[07:41] <RytmenPinnen> !fixresu
[07:41] <victor__> but nothin works
[07:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fixresu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:41] <RytmenPinnen> I tried that restart x window command and the whole system when black
[07:41] <Jucato> !xconfig
[07:41] <ubotu> To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  - To configure only the driver and resolution, type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh  - See also !FixRes
[07:41] <RytmenPinnen> !fixres
[07:41] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:42] <victor__> adept freezas allways
[07:43] <victor__> http://www.getautomatix.com/ is down
[07:44] <victor__> T_T
[07:45] <niosop> morning.  I'm trying to install kubuntu onto a linux raid system.  Have md0 (raid 1) for boot and md1 (raid 0) for the rest.  The kubuntu installer partition editor doesn't allow me to select the md devices though.  Any suggestions?
[07:45] <stoft> just-this-time: you around?
[07:48] <niosop> or do I have to go w/ the alternate cd?
[07:48] <RytmenPinnen> why doesnt my password work when I try to log as root in the konsol?
[07:48] <Jucato> RytmenPinnen: because there is no root password (root account disabled), so you don't really log in as root
[07:48] <RytmenPinnen> I have to change permission on the xorg.conf file to edit it but I cant save cause its write protected
[07:48] <Jucato> no don't change permissions of system-owned files
[07:48] <epimeth> RytmenPinnen: you log in as yourself and then use sudo -i
[07:48] <Jucato> use sudo (or kdesu) to edit files
[07:49] <Jucato> !sudo | RytmenPinnen
[07:49] <ubotu> RytmenPinnen: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[07:49] <epimeth> and Jucato is right, you don't change permissions of system files
[07:51] <RytmenPinnen> how do I change permission in the konsol?
[07:51] <RytmenPinnen> ah ok
[07:51] <RytmenPinnen> but how am I supposed to fix this resolution problem then
[07:51] <niosop> RytmenPinnen: You can become root by using "sudo bash" if you're going to be doing a lot and don't want to type sudo each time
[07:52] <victor__> my kubuntu still freezing
[07:52] <Jucato> did you try running sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg already?
[07:52] <Jucato> niosop: "sudo -i" is a more proper way
[07:52] <RytmenPinnen> I believe that was what made my screen go black
[07:52] <niosop> Jucato: ahh, cool, never know about htat one.
[07:52] <victor__> less than 5 min betrwwn each freeze logs says nothing
[07:53] <tuco> I need help to have system tray icons displayed again please!
[07:53] <victor__> konkeror freezes it an adept too
[07:53] <victor__> heeelp
[07:53] <Jucato> tuco: what do you mean? the whole panel disappeared or only the system tray applet for the panel?
[07:54] <sadnezz> k
[07:55] <tuco> Basically let's say you open amarok...there should be a little icon on the left in the system tray. It isn't there, same for any other application!
[07:55] <Jucato> tuco: ah but you still have your kicker? (kde panel). right-click on the panel -> Add Applet to Panel -> look for System Tray
[07:56] <mahdi> victor_: try loading an older kernel
[07:56] <victor__> how do i change my kernel, adept locks up my pc
[07:56] <tuco> No system tray!
[07:56] <RytmenPinnen> is it easier to reinstall kubuntu than trying to fix the reusulution problem?
[07:56] <BluesKaj> hiya Jucato :)
[07:56] <mahdi> victor_: do you have a grub menu on boot up?
[07:56] <Jucato> hi BluesKaj
[07:56] <victor__> yes i have grtub
[07:56] <victor__> grub
[07:56] <RytmenPinnen> debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailab
[07:56] <Jucato> RytmenPinnen: easier? maybe... but what would happen if you encounter the same problem again? :(
[07:57] <tuco> dock application bar/kasbar/external taskbar/panel/universal sidebar
[07:57] <tuco> no system tray Jucato
[07:57] <Jucato> tuco: no, Add Applet to Panel, not Add Panel
[07:57] <victor__> i tried to use noacpi nolacpi and pci=assign-busses
[07:57] <RytmenPinnen> but how do I fix it, so far I've only been led to dead ends
[07:57] <mahdi> victor_: select an older kernel version when grub comes up, there should be at least one if you scroll down
[07:58] <Jucato> tuco: the first from the top when you right-click on the panel. it will launch a dialog box with a list of available panel applets
[07:58] <RytmenPinnen> !fixres
[07:58] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:58] <tuco> Aaaaaaaaaaaaah ok done :-)
[07:58] <BluesKaj> Jucato: got a bit of a configure prob ...here's the error , trying to install xtracroute , http://www.pastebin.ca/465891
[07:58] <tuco> Thank you sir ;-)
[07:58] <victor__> i only have generic and save mode
[07:58] <victor__> in eneric
[07:58] <victor__> generic
[07:58] <RytmenPinnen> "Run the Autodetect Script Again"
[07:58] <RytmenPinnen> does this work for 7.04?
[07:58] <mahdi> try safe mode, worth a shot. wish i could help more but i'm off to class.
[07:58] <RytmenPinnen> it says its for dapper
[07:59] <ToTe_-> ola?
[07:59] <victor__> ola!
[07:59] <Jucato> BluesKaj: try looking for a libgtk package that ends in -dev.. not really sure with the name
[07:59] <Dekans> does bcm43xx module manage 54MB ??
[08:01] <RytmenPinnen> !fixres
[08:01] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:02] <Dekans> does bcm43xx module manage 54MB ??
[08:03] <RytmenPinnen> could someone please get into a private chat with me, I'm getting frustrated with this resuproblem
[08:06] <BinBus> hello
[08:06] <BinBus> we have a hamlet router?
[08:07] <RytmenPinnen> help me please
[08:08] <jmoro> who here needs help and with what?
[08:09] <ubuntu> why do you use KDE, is it better than gnome?
[08:09] <RytmenPinnen> I need help with the resolution
[08:10] <Xbehave> kde locks up when i transferd more than about 500mb to my uss mp3 player? is this kde specific or is it a kernal prob im not sure
[08:10] <llutz> ubuntu: it's different, so it's up to you what you use
[08:10] <Xbehave> kde lets me configure everything i want in gnome it was too hard for me
[08:10] <mueslix> ubuntu: it's just different i'd say. better depends on the user
[08:11] <ubuntu> thx, i will use in future KDE too, because it looks much nicer
[08:11] <mueslix> when it comes to the api, the answer might be a different one tho
[08:11] <Xbehave> ubuntu you can install both without much hassel
[08:12] <Xbehave> hell my 1st ubuntu install had xfce, gnome and kde, but now i stick to kde w/ beryl
[08:12] <RytmenPinnen> does the same grafic hassle excist in ubuntu?
[08:12] <RytmenPinnen> ala stuck on 640x480
[08:13] <Xbehave> what are you running? laptop? intell grafics?
[08:13] <RytmenPinnen> nvidia fx5900
[08:14] <farmhand00000001> Hello all, I was wondering if someone could recomend a good sound card that will be fully compatible with kubuntu 7.04?  Dont need anything too fancy, just for MP3s and playing warcraft 3
[08:14] <RytmenPinnen> I installed nvidia drivers with apt get, I dont know if it was succesful but my glxgears broke so Im couldnt check my fps
[08:14] <RytmenPinnen> then I tried to set to propierty drivers and then this happened
[08:15] <RytmenPinnen> I also tried to set it back to the regular drivers but I'm still stuck on low resu
[08:15] <Xbehave> try restoring your xorg.conf if you have any backups
[08:16] <RytmenPinnen> how would I do that?
[08:16] <Xbehave> open a konsole, cd /etc/X11/
[08:16] <neo_> Hi
[08:16] <RytmenPinnen> as far as I know I dont have any backups
[08:16] <Xbehave> then see if there is mroe than 1 file starting with xorg.conf
[08:17] <Xbehave> nvidia try to make a backup when they set stuff up
[08:17] <farmhand01> if you check your /etc/X11 dir, see if you have any files called xorg.conf.something
[08:17] <RytmenPinnen> yes there is one called xorg.conf.2
[08:17] <farmhand01> that is prob the backup
[08:17] <RytmenPinnen> and a .1 and a .custom
[08:18] <stoft> where do I put the niceness when running nice?
[08:18] <RytmenPinnen> so I'll just remove the original and rename the .1 ?
[08:18] <Xbehave> try cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.0 to backup your current incase it gets worse
[08:18] <farmhand01> agreed
[08:19] <jovans> my konqueror crash everytime when i want to open my Home Folder
[08:19] <farmhand01> can it open anything else?
[08:19] <Xbehave> javans does it try launching loads of konqs
[08:19] <RytmenPinnen> how do I replace it btw? it says acces denied in konqeror
[08:20] <farmhand01> you need to sudo
[08:20] <jovans> i don't know
[08:20] <stoft> nm, think I got.
[08:20] <Xbehave> RytmenPinnen: open up a console and do it though there
[08:20] <jovans> and the next time when i am trying to open my Home Folder nothing....when i am starting Konwuerer once again than works
[08:21] <RytmenPinnen> sudo what?
[08:23] <Xbehave> in console go to /etc/X11 with cd then type sudo xp xorg.conf xorg.conf.0 then sudo cp xorg.conf.1 xorg.conf
[08:23] <RytmenPinnen> what does xp do?
[08:24] <Xbehave> sorry i meant to put cp
[08:25] <RytmenPinnen> ok do I have to restart something too?
[08:25] <Xbehave> once thats done ctrl-alt-backspace
[08:25] <RytmenPinnen> ah the old x restart
[08:26] <RytmenPinnen> thank you thank you thank you
[08:26] <Xbehave> any improvment?
[08:26] <CaseyOmah> How do I set Alt_R ro mod1 along with Alt_L (the default)?
[08:26] <RytmenPinnen> my resolution is back :) I still dont know if I have any real drivers tho
[08:27] <Xbehave> i think youll be on the non-nvidia ones with an old xorg conf
[08:28] <RytmenPinnen> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18445/
[08:28] <dawson> Hello, I have just upgraded to fiesty fawn, and now can not conenct to the internet, can connect to network, but not recieve an ip address. Also kubuntu now hangs on shutdown, any suggestions/ help greatly recieved. Thanks a lot!
[08:28] <CaseyOmah> I'm trying to setup my keyboard, and am annoyed that the default for mod1 (Alt) is Alt_L only, how do I also map Alt_R to mod1?
[08:28] <RytmenPinnen> probably, but what happened to my glxgears, they worked earlier
[08:29] <farmhand01> Dawson, it is not possible to connect to your network and not have an IPaddress
[08:30] <BluesKaj> anyone having ktorrent crash probs ? ...mine was crashing just once / hr , now its up to 10mins
[08:30] <dawson> yea, but according to wifi radar it is connected but fails to issue an ip
[08:30] <CaseyOmah> BluesKaj: I have noticed the instability in Ktorrent too.
[08:30] <farmhand01> oh, didnt know you were having a wfi problem, I know nothing about that
[08:31] <dawson> ah ok, sorry i should have said. Thanks anyways
[08:32] <CaseyOmah> BluesKaj: I gave up on Ktorrent as a download ap, and switched to Opera's implementation of torrents and only use Ktorrent for the built-in search.
[08:32] <BluesKaj> CaseyOmah: I don't see any bug reports at ; https://wiki.kubuntu.com/KubuntuFeistyKnownProblems, so I guess we're stuck til they find the prob ...I reported it twice already
[08:33] <BluesKaj> right CaseyOmah , looks like the logical alternative alright , asureus is buggy as well from all reports
[08:33] <CaseyOmah> Opera implementation is to download the .torrent file into the "torrent root" directory and then download the contents.
[08:34] <CaseyOmah> So you can use Ktorrent to download the .torrent and Opera to open it in place. (point back to the same path)
[08:35] <CaseyOmah> Opera 9.20 is stable, 9.10 was crash-happy on Feisty.
[08:35] <adz21c> anyone have any experience with DVB cards as I am struggling to get mine working
[08:36] <BluesKaj> ok, CaseyOmah , I've used the embedded torrent client in Opera before ...seems ok
[08:36] <CaseyOmah> BluesKaj: I've been an Opera fan for a while and was mad when Feisty made 9.10 crashy.
[08:37] <BluesKaj> <--- would never be accused of being an opera fan :)
[08:38] <CaseyOmah> Does anyone know of a way to remat your mod keys? I need to add Alt_R to the mod1 "Alt" (Alt_L) mapping.
[08:38] <BluesKaj> the browser yes, but not the music
[08:38] <CaseyOmah> BluesKaj: I'm not big into the Operetic genre either.
[08:40] <nicu> hi
[08:40] <K-Ryan> Hi there
[08:40] <CaseyOmah> Hello nicu.
[08:40] <czer323> Can someone else just try to run khotkeys from a terminal real quick and tell me if it crashes?  Standard kubuntu 7.04 install.
[08:41] <nicu> am i new to kubuntu....and i want to ask you where is the contro panel...where can ai change the skin...it is there in any other kde based distro i tried bu tnot here
[08:41] <nicu> ?
[08:41] <CaseyOmah> czer323: ERROR: Communication problem with khotkeys, it probably crashed.
[08:41] <K-Ryan> Press the KDE menu button, then system settings nicu
[08:41] <czer323> CaseyOmah: thanks, mine too. :-\  I'll submit a bug report.
[08:41] <nicu> did it
[08:41] <K-Ryan> That's the "control panel"
[08:41] <K-Ryan> If you then click Appearance, you can change themes
[08:42] <CaseyOmah> nicu: It's called "System Settings"
[08:42] <nicu> i have no contro panel
[08:42] <K-Ryan> It's not a control panel
[08:42] <nicu> i saw it
[08:42] <K-Ryan> It's just called system settings
[08:42] <CaseyOmah> nicu: Often referred to as "Control Panel".
[08:43] <nicu> when i open it i get a screen where i get personal/look&fell/computer admin...and stuff like that
[08:43] <K-Ryan> Yeah
[08:43] <K-Ryan> Under each section there are icons.
[08:43] <K-Ryan> You're in the right place.
[08:44] <CaseyOmah> nicu: That's not a question.
[08:44] <nicu> when i ckic appearence from look&feel  i get al there is to be there expt themes like in other kde distros
[08:44] <K-Ryan> Once you click Appearance, it's on Colors by default
[08:44] <K-Ryan> In the middle of that window there is a list of themes labeled "Color Scheme"
[08:44] <nicu> yes
[08:44] <WillLuong1> is there a way to change permissions for a folder and everything in it (even subfolders)
[08:45] <K-Ryan> You can scroll through those, preview them up top, and click Apply to set it.
[08:45] <nicu> i know that
[08:45] <CaseyOmah> nicu: Under Appearance & Themes you can select the "Theme Manager" (In Feisty release)
[08:45] <nicu> but if i want to change the theme
[08:45] <nicu> aha
[08:45] <nicu> i'll check it now
[08:46] <K-Ryan> That's how you would go about changing your theme.
[08:46] <K-Ryan> And the "Control Panel" is just the "System Settings"
[08:46] <czer323> Does Kubuntu use the Launchpad for bugs?
[08:46] <pauljw> WillLuong1: right click the folder in konqueror and change the permissions
[08:47] <pauljw> under properties, WillLuong1
[08:47] <WillLuong1> pauljw thanks
[08:47] <pauljw> yw
[08:54] <RytmenPinnen> ok, I see I have the nvidia drivers but I cant enable them for some reason
[08:54] <RytmenPinnen> alex@ladan:~$ sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[08:54] <RytmenPinnen> debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable
[08:56] <sdlnxgk> Hello Everyone !!
[08:56] <sdlnxgk> anyone know why kubuntu only sees 240gigs  out of 250gig drive??
[08:57] <RytmenPinnen> I believe that's not ubuntu related
[08:58] <RytmenPinnen> it has something to do with that one megabyte isnt 1000kb its 1024kb
[08:58] <sdlnxgk> why wouldn't be?? in dmesg it says 250gig sata drive but when formatted it's 238gigs
[08:58] <budluva_> anyone aware of plans to include kickoff in the repos?
[08:59] <K-Ryan> Hey I just realized my trash can isn't on my bottom bar anymore. Where did it go and how can I put it back there?
[08:59] <sdlnxgk> RytmenPinnen, so your saying i'm gonna loose 10 gigs on each drive?
[08:59] <RytmenPinnen> not really
[08:59] <sdlnxgk> maybe I formatted it wrong..
[08:59] <RytmenPinnen> it should say the same in windows
[08:59] <sdlnxgk> I used qparted
[09:00] <K-Ryan> sdlnxgk: It's advertised as 250?
[09:00] <budluva_> sdlnxgk: its advertised as a 250GB drive doesnt mean when formatted you'll actually have 250
[09:00] <sdlnxgk> K-Ryan, yes in dmesg it says 250gig
[09:00] <budluva_> 240 seems about right
[09:00] <K-Ryan> I'm not sure what the reason behind it is, but you always lose about 10GB off what
[09:00] <K-Ryan> is advertised.
[09:00] <RytmenPinnen> my 120gig hdd is only 115 or something
[09:00] <K-Ryan> My 160GB holds about 149GB
[09:00] <budluva_> my 500gb drive formatted and partitioned only works out to about 480
[09:00] <sdlnxgk> oh then i'm paranoid for nothing ;)
[09:01] <K-Ryan> My 250GB external held about 235GB
[09:01] <K-Ryan> Yeah it's just one of those things.
[09:01] <RytmenPinnen> it has to do with bits and bytes
[09:01] <Yorokobi> You lose more if you use RAID, too :)
[09:01] <K-Ryan> Not really RytmenPinnen
[09:01] <sdlnxgk> I was freaking big  time going like WTF!!
[09:01] <K-Ryan> Thought they jipped ya'? =P
[09:01] <sdlnxgk> ok next question
[09:01] <K-Ryan> Shoot
[09:02] <sdlnxgk> should I do a fresh install on my new 250gig sata drive or put my old hard drives in with it and use as is?
[09:02] <francisco> hola
[09:02] <K-Ryan> What do you mean?
[09:02] <tinux> quit
[09:02] <budluva_> i would install on the new sata drive over older an older drive
[09:02] <sdlnxgk> K-Ryan, yes I thought they jipped me :)
[09:03] <budluva_> thats just me though
[09:03] <K-Ryan> Well I mean, how old is the drive and how big is it?
[09:03] <sdlnxgk> I have a 10gig HHD with kubuntu installed on it and 2x 60gig drives with downloads on it
[09:03] <K-Ryan> Personally, as long as it works and you don't mind the speed difference, leave it.
[09:03] <whta> does rosegarden come default with the kubuntu-desktop package?
[09:04] <K-Ryan> rosegarden, I don't have it so probably not.
[09:04] <sdlnxgk> never ran sata with linux before so was kind of scared to just have the sate drive
[09:04] <whta> ok. just wondering since I installed it on gnome before i installed KDE and now I have 2 rosegarden entries under multimedia
[09:04] <K-Ryan> Hmm, go figure.
[09:04] <K-Ryan> You can try removing one
[09:04] <sdlnxgk> what is the best way to partition a drive
[09:05] <K-Ryan> I'm told Gnome Partitioner
[09:05] <budluva_> sdlnxgk: gparted?
[09:05] <FireTalon> cfdisk
[09:05] <K-Ryan> Personally I use the partioner off the Live CD I have
[09:05] <sdlnxgk> ok letme me rephrase the ? what is the easiest  way to format a drive in kubunut :)
[09:06] <FireTalon> cfdisk
[09:06] <K-Ryan> I've only done it off the Live CD, and that worked nice and quickly for me.
[09:06] <CaseyOmah> Does anyone know of a way to remat your mod keys? I need to add Alt_R to the mod1 "Alt" (Alt_L) mapping.
[09:06] <K-Ryan> Took only a few minutes and I didn't and don't have any problems.
[09:06] <sdlnxgk> K-Ryan, how do I run it off the live cdrom?
[09:07] <BluesKaj> yeah , formatting during an install works well, then one can use GParted live cd as well
[09:07] <K-Ryan> As if you were going to install Kubuntu.
[09:07] <K-Ryan> But stop after you partition.
[09:07] <sdlnxgk> sounds easy enough let me transfer some documents then start the install of fresh copy of Kubuntu :)
[09:07] <K-Ryan> No no
[09:08] <K-Ryan> You don't have to reinstall
[09:08] <K-Ryan> You just start the install, and quit it after you partition what you want partitioned.
[09:08] <sdlnxgk> K-Ryan,  yes I do don't have anything on the sata drives yet ;)
[09:08] <BluesKaj> well frankly i misss edgy , ...feisty seems to be seriously broken in some areas
[09:08] <sdlnxgk> this is still  my old drive
[09:08] <K-Ryan> Oh you are going to switch to it, alright then.
[09:08] <sdlnxgk> lol
[09:08] <K-Ryan> BluesKaj: What's broken? I haven't had any issues.
[09:08] <sdlnxgk> :D
[09:09] <CaseyOmah> BluesKaj: Yeah, Feisty needs a few things to go back to Herds.
[09:09] <sdlnxgk> K-Ryan, thanks for your help
[09:09] <stoft> BluesKaj: I have to agree with K-Ryan, no major issues here either
[09:09] <K-Ryan> sdlnxgk, no problem, be sure to let me know how it goes.
[09:09] <sdlnxgk> RytmenPinnen, thanks for your help will be back after the install ;)
[09:09] <BluesKaj> I have GTK probs with configure and make ... also theres QT probs with ktorrent
[09:10] <CaseyOmah> stoft, K-Ryan: Have you tried Ktorrent?
[09:10] <K-Ryan> Nope
[09:10] <stoft> nope, don't like it.  use azureus if anything.
[09:10] <Daisuke_Ido> haven't had a single issue with ktorrent...
[09:10] <sdlnxgk> K-Ryan, i'll be back as soon as it's done installing ;)
[09:10] <budluva_> only issue i have with fiesty, well with linux in general is my blooody broadcom wireless, pain in the arse
[09:10] <K-Ryan> I don't need to torrent, 2MB/s ISP
[09:10] <K-Ryan> =)
[09:10] <BluesKaj> azureus ...hawg gawd
[09:10] <Daisuke_Ido> azureus reams resources
[09:11] <Black_Cat> greetings.
[09:11] <stoft> either that, cli client or qtorrent. I use torrents so rarely that it's not something I notice.
[09:11] <K-Ryan> Anyone know if I can setup my Xbox 360 controller to work under Kubuntu?
[09:11] <BluesKaj> bbiab .... gotta send my income tax ...today's the deadline here
[09:12] <CaseyOmah> K-Ryan: I haven't tried an Xbox 360 Controller, but my PS2 controller works great with my USB adapter.
[09:12] <K-Ryan> Can you get both thumbsticks working?
[09:13] <dice14u> hey anyone I have two questions, i just updated to fiesty and it caused an audio issue
[09:13] <dice14u> pc speakers used to be my audio control
[09:13] <dice14u> now something called pcm is
[09:13] <Daisuke_Ido> K-Ryan: as long as it's an OFFICIAL 360 controller, you probably can use it
[09:13] <CaseyOmah> K-Ryan: Everything works perfectly, both analogs, R/L 1,2,3(click analog) XO/\[]  and Hat (Digital) all work.
[09:13] <Daisuke_Ido> i know my 3rd party wired is useless :\
[09:14] <K-Ryan> Daisuke_Ido: What brand? My MadCatz works under Windows with those drivers.
[09:14] <K-Ryan> Haven't tested it on Kubuntu though.
[09:14] <K-Ryan> I'm worried about the right thumbstick(secondary axis) and the triggers.
[09:14] <K-Ryan> Because they function as axis rather than buttons.
[09:14] <K-Ryan> So that's 4 axis inputs.
[09:15] <dice14u> anyone have a new sound channel in fiesty?
[09:15] <CaseyOmah> K-Ryan: Yes, I have 4 axis plus hat and 12 buttons all working great.
[09:15] <Daisuke_Ido> K-Ryan: pelican
[09:15] <Daisuke_Ido> and mine works fine in windows too
[09:15] <K-Ryan> Hmm
[09:15] <Daisuke_Ido> not kubuntu though
[09:16] <K-Ryan> I might just have to plug my plug and play into my controller, then hook it to my computer.
[09:16] <K-Ryan> I've got an official wireless, with a wire for it. Hehe
[09:16] <K-Ryan> dice14u you said it's only now that you're running feisty?
[09:17] <CaseyOmah> K-Ryan: Actually, it claims to support 7 Axis, 12 button.
[09:17] <Black_Cat> when Firefox downloads Adobe Flash player, where does it put it? i'd like to have the file(s) so i don't have to download it again in case of installing system at another PC
[09:17] <K-Ryan> Black_Cat I believe there is package in the universe or multiverse that you can just download
[09:17] <K-Ryan> !flash
[09:17] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[09:17] <Yorokobi> Black_Cat, the default for FF is ~/Desktop
[09:18] <K-Ryan> Flash isn't available for Feisty yet?
[09:18] <dice14u> K-Ryan yes now only when running fiesty
[09:18] <CaseyOmah> K-Ryan: I just used the binary installer for linux from the official site.
[09:18] <Black_Cat> K-Ryan, i downloaded "swf-player", but it didn't provide Flash playback in FF, i don't know the reason why. it said it has a Mozilla plugin with this package...
[09:18] <Yorokobi> dice14u, the PCM channel isn't a new sound channel.
[09:19] <K-Ryan> Aren't I popular, 3 messages in a row, gimme 2 seconds to read it all.
[09:19] <CaseyOmah> Black_Cat: You have to point FF to the plugin path.
[09:19] <dice14u> Yorokobi it just showed up though and it is what controls the total volume of the system, it used to be pc speakers
[09:19] <Black_Cat> K-Ryan, take your time
[09:19] <K-Ryan> swf-player, that's not the package that's something off the website?
[09:19] <Black_Cat> CaseyOmah, why???? it says it places files right to mozilla/plugin folder
[09:19] <Yorokobi> dice14u, PCM has always been one of the 'total system volume' controls. You probably had the mixer set up differently before.
[09:20] <dice14u> Yorokobi then how do i change it back?
[09:20] <CaseyOmah> Black_Cat: Your resaults may vary.
[09:20] <Yorokobi> dice14u, why?
[09:20] <Black_Cat> K-Ryan, that was found in repository...
[09:20] <K-Ryan> alright, that's what I was asking.
[09:21] <K-Ryan> right now, what I have is flashplugin-nonfree
[09:21] <K-Ryan> along with konqueror-nsplugins
[09:22] <K-Ryan> Since I use Konqueror
[09:22] <dice14u> Yorokobi I have a keyboard that has volume control, and now when i press it it changes the volume on the pc speakers channel
[09:22] <dice14u> not the pcm
[09:22] <dice14u> Yorokobi i tried changing the shortcuts in kmix but it didn't change anything
[09:22] <dice14u> Yorokobi thank you actually i figured it out myself, its about which one is the master channel
[09:23] <K-Ryan> Be back in a minute or two
[09:23] <dice14u> Yorokobi ok nvm i figured out how to make my keyboard work, change master to pcm
[09:23] <dice14u> Yorokobi but now when i press mute nothing happens
[09:24] <Yorokobi> dice14u, you have a multimedia keyboard, I take it?
[09:24] <Bearcat> hello folks.  I have a client who is on dial-up. She has kubuntu 6.06.1 LTS.  Can i just download a 7.04 cd and upgrade her with that?
[09:24] <dice14u> Yorokobi yes
[09:25] <dice14u> Yorokobi I got the volume to work now
[09:25] <Yorokobi> dice14u, okay. I don't know what to tell you there.
[09:25] <dice14u> but i can't get the mute to work
[09:26] <elcuco__> hi all, k3b does not wont to burn for me
[09:26] <elcuco__> running k3bsetup will fix it, but i am not really happy with this solution. any better idea?
[09:30] <K-Ryan> Bercat it might take a while.
[09:30] <K-Ryan> *Bearcat
[09:30] <K-Ryan> But you can do it.
[09:31] <dice14u> Anyone know what program the sidebar/bottom bar is?
[09:31] <K-Ryan> 7.04 is one of the versions that are sent out on CD. So you can always order one.
[09:33] <ferger> how do i remove a folder thats looks like <foldername>?
[09:34] <ferger> i get this:
[09:34] <ferger> rm <mountpoint>
[09:34] <ferger> -su: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[09:34] <Bromics> u mean rm -rf foldername?
[09:34] <Yorokobi> ferger, rm ./\<foldername\>
[09:34] <Bearcat> K-Ryan: but i can do it via cd?
[09:34] <ericsson> iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -i eth0 --dport 1025 -j ACCEPT <-- Would that accept an SSH session I have incoming on port 1025?
[09:34] <K-Ryan> Bearcat: I know there is a way, but I haven't done it personally so I couldn't guide you through it.
[09:35] <Alarm> anyone knowing to handle usb ntfs disks with mount ? :)
[09:35] <ferger> thanks <)
[09:35] <Bromics> :)
[09:36] <K-Ryan> Be right back, gotta let my dog outside.
[09:37] <Bearcat> K-Ryan: thanks
[09:38] <K-Ryan> Back
[09:38] <K-Ryan> No problem Bearcat
[09:39] <ddaedalus> Alarm: whats the prblem?
[09:39] <Alarm> i got a problem mounting my external usb hd . when i plug it in and turn it on , and try to enter in the partition i get: could not enter folder /media/win5 . i can only mount it with pmount /dev/sda1 . i did also add my user (alarm) to the plugdev group , and rebooted as well.
[09:39] <Alarm> in the fstab there is nothing listed about the /dev/sda1 device .
[09:39] <Alarm> when i mount it with pmount /dev/sda1 as i said it works pretty well,. i can enter the partition,. but once i turn it of (even if i remove it safely) , and then turn it on again, i get again the same message . it is an ntfs drive
[09:40] <Alarm> what else...
[09:40] <Alarm> ehm, till now i had: /dev/sda1   /media/win5   ntfs    auto,gid=1000,umask=0002    0    0 . but all that wanted to help me told me to remove that line
[09:40] <ddaedalus> Alarm: well there better shouldn't be a entry in your fstab
[09:40] <Alarm> u're reading my mind. i did remove it
[09:40] <ddaedalus> Alarm: do you know where your usb drive is mounted on /dev?
[09:40] <Alarm> its sda1
[09:40] <ddaedalus> ok
[09:41] <ddaedalus> try sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mount/<some existing folder>
[09:41] <ddaedalus> ehh /media/<some...>
[09:41] <ericsson> Alarm: umask 0002?
[09:41] <Alarm> as i said, i when i mount it with pmount /dev/sda1 , its ok, i can enter it as a simple user. but once i turn it off and turn the drive on again, then i get the same messege when i try to enter in the drive, or when i try to enter the /media/win5 folder i get the message you do not have enough permitions to read /media/win5
[09:42] <ddaedalus> ok. hmmm
[09:42] <ddaedalus> you do unmount the drive before removing?
[09:42] <ericsson> Alarm: I haven't been following the whole conversation, but I know you had the same problem hours ago. Have you tried default umask022 ?
[09:43] <Alarm> ok did mount /dev/sda1 /mount/
[09:43] <ddaedalus> noo, dont mount it directly into /mount
[09:43] <Alarm> ericsson,  umask 002 where ?
[09:43] <ddaedalus> thats was a typo
[09:43] <Alarm> ok let me unmount it
[09:43] <ddaedalus> in options, something like:
[09:43] <ddaedalus> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/win5 -O umask=0222
[09:44] <Alarm> well i didnt mount it to /mount dont worry :)
[09:44] <ddaedalus> ok.
[09:44] <Alarm> i did mount it on /media/win5 :)
[09:44] <ericsson> Alarm: from the looks of it it was your /etc/fstab you posted..
[09:44] <ddaedalus> that gave me a heart attack ...
[09:44] <Alarm> ok did mount /dev/sda1 /media/win5 -O umask=0222
[09:44] <pruna> roman cineva
[09:44] <ddaedalus> now try to enter /media/win5
[09:44] <ddaedalus> and ls -la
[09:45] <ddaedalus> look at the permissions
[09:45] <Alarm> same error : i do not have enough permition to read /media/win5
[09:45] <ericsson> Alarm: and do mount -a
[09:45] <aleksanteri> how can i change the panel foreground color?
[09:45] <ddaedalus> try to enter using the console
[09:45] <Alarm> alarm@rockpc:~$ cd /media/win5
[09:45] <Alarm> bash: cd: /media/win5: Permission denied
[09:46] <ddaedalus> ok, what says ls -la /media/win5
[09:46] <ddaedalus> ?
[09:46] <Alarm> as root i can enter and see the files
[09:46] <ericsson> aleksanteri: right-click panel -> configure panel -> apperance -> enable background images/color
[09:46] <Alarm> alarm@rockpc:~$ ls -la /media/win5
[09:46] <Alarm> ls: /media/win5: Permission denied
[09:46] <ddaedalus> :/
[09:46] <ddaedalus> try ls -la /media; plz paste only the lines which are relevant ;)
[09:47] <Alarm> ericsson,  as much i did hear i should have an entry in the fstab
[09:47] <aleksanteri> ericsson: i meant changing the foreground color :P
[09:47] <Alarm> dr-x------  1 root root   4096 2007-04-23 19:16 win5
[09:47] <ddaedalus> not for dynamicly mounted drives. udev does take care of this
[09:47] <RytmenPinnen> !nvidia
[09:47] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:47] <ddaedalus> ok i see the problem
[09:47] <ericsson> Alarm: there is the problem ;)
[09:48] <ddaedalus> can you paste your fstab somewhere?
[09:48] <Alarm> ddaedalus,  take in mind , with pmount i can mount it an enter as a simple user, the problem starts when i turn off and on the drive again, i cant enter anymore , i have to pmount again
[09:48] <ericsson> aleksanteri: then I'm lost, I'm not used to GUI ;)
[09:48] <Alarm> ddaedalus, sure but there is no entry about the sda1 , so it wont be something to see
[09:48] <ddaedalus> kk
[09:48] <ericsson> !pastebin | Alarm
[09:48] <ubotu> Alarm: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:48] <Alarm> ericsson,  where is the problem my friend ? :)
[09:49] <ericsson> Alarm: is there vfat or ntfs on it? As I said, I haven't followed from the start..
[09:49] <Alarm> ntfs
[09:49] <Alarm> its an ntfs usb disk
[09:49] <ddaedalus> now i am dumbfound
[09:49] <ericsson> have you got the nfts-3g driver?
[09:49] <Alarm> no
[09:49] <ericsson> !ntfs-3g | Alarm
[09:49] <ubotu> Alarm: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[09:49] <ddaedalus> he doesn't need it
[09:49] <ddaedalus> only for writing
[09:49] <ericsson> Ok, ddaedalus is right there..
[09:50] <Alarm> i dont need a write access. all i want is to read and mount :)
[09:50] <ericsson> so, chown, cmod + entried is fstab is what we want?
[09:50] <ddaedalus> i really don't now what screws your permissions up
[09:50] <Alarm> me neither.
[09:50] <ddaedalus> no, it looks like his drive is mounted umask=0700
[09:51] <ddaedalus> so only root can read
[09:51] <Alarm> yes
[09:51] <Alarm> with root i get in . but as i said , when i pmount i get also as a simple user
[09:52] <stoft> Alarm, if you want users othher than root too be aable to read then you need to use ntfs-3g,, afaik
[09:52] <ddaedalus> i'm not exprerienced with pmount
[09:52] <Alarm> stoft,  its not true
[09:52] <ddaedalus> no, like hell.
[09:52] <ddaedalus> only writing
[09:52] <Alarm> any other suggestions ? :)
[09:53] <ddaedalus> i am thinking... can take some time :P
[09:53] <aleksanteri> how can i change the panel foreground color? :)
[09:53] <ericsson> Alarm: probably rather waste of time, but have you tried modprobe?
[09:53] <Alarm> and load what ?
[09:53] <ericsson> usb-storage
[09:54] <ericsson> ddaedalus: take the time you need, we others grow beards ;)
[09:54] <Alarm> how can i see which modules are loaded
[09:55] <ddaedalus> ericsson: wait? you gurus dont already have beards ? :P
[09:55] <ericsson> ddaedalus: I'm old, but not THAT old ;)
[09:55] <ericsson> well, it's not grey anyway :)
[09:55] <ddaedalus> ok, thats *too* much detail
[09:55] <Alarm> any other channel that i could ask  ? :)
[09:55] <stoft> I do, but it's a small one because I'm  not a gguru yet
[09:55] <ddaedalus> the ubuntu forums?
[09:56] <ericsson> Alarm: try #clueless_blondes
[09:56] <Alarm> ddaedalus,  i did google it , couldnt help me much
[09:56] <Alarm> :)
[09:56] <ddaedalus> well, simply ask? create a thread. i am sure some will help
[09:56] <ddaedalus> *someone
[09:57] <Alarm> i will on linuxforums once i got an account there
[09:57] <Alarm> thanks for ur time
[09:57] <ddaedalus> np ;)
[09:57] <ericsson> Weird problem that one..
[09:57] <K-Ryan> Since I've upgraded to Feisty, my trash can has disapeared. How do I get it back?
[09:57] <Alarm> u tell me...
[09:58] <Alarm> nuu user tried before like an hour to help me without results :)
[09:58] <aleksanteri> how can i change the panel foreground color?
[09:58] <ddaedalus> i am sure you have a some config file messed up
[09:58] <ddaedalus> *-a-
[09:58] <stoft> according to mount manual page, ntfs aare by default, unless you set to something else explicitly, owned by root annd not readabbleby anyone else
[09:58] <K-Ryan> aleksanteri: KDE Start button > System Settings > Appearance
[09:58] <ericsson> K-Ryan: Right-click on the bottom panel and add applet to panel
[09:58] <ddaedalus> hmm, he might try umask
[09:58] <stoft> sorry for the double letters, I have a heavy process in the bg
[09:59] <K-Ryan> Ah there we go
[09:59] <K-Ryan> Thanks ericsson
[09:59] <ericsson> ddaedalus: did it change umask automagically?
[09:59] <ericsson> K-Ryan: no probs
[09:59] <ddaedalus> dont know, maybe
[09:59] <ddaedalus> Alarm: still here?
[09:59] <ericsson> stranger than fiction ;)
[09:59] <Alarm> ddaedalus,  yes
[10:00] <Alarm> fighting with the devils machine :)
[10:00] <ddaedalus> but u have a point. ntfs is auto-mounting as root
[10:00] <anon32> 'u'?
[10:00] <anon32> !u
[10:00] <ubotu> Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[10:00] <Alarm> anon32, how smart...
[10:00] <ericsson> lol@ubotu
[10:01] <K-Ryan> Thanks ubotu
[10:01] <ddaedalus> does someone know the syntax for umask
[10:01] <rrmm> why does compiling a driver on xubuntu work but not on kubuntu?
[10:01] <anon32> I love that factoid :-P
[10:01] <K-Ryan> !snack
[10:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about snack - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:01] <K-Ryan> !botsnack
[10:01] <ubotu> Yum!
[10:01] <stoft> lol
[10:01] <K-Ryan> There we go...
[10:01] <anon32> rrmm, no idea, can you fill me in on the detail?
[10:01] <Yorokobi> ddaedalus, umask (newmask) eg: umask 0022
[10:01] <rrmm> anon32~ u just want a link to launchpad?
[10:01] <K-Ryan> anon32 have you seen the one for windows, or the one for love? =)
[10:02] <ddaedalus> Yorokobi: thx, but this mask permissions out right. so 777 would be umask 000 ?
[10:02] <anon32> K-Ryan, for Windows, yes. Not for love.
[10:02] <K-Ryan> !love
[10:02] <ubotu> Love is like racing across the frozen tundra on a snowmobile which flips over, trapping you underneath. At night, the ice-weasels come.
[10:02] <Yorokobi> ddaedalus, for full 0777, the umask is 000, yep
[10:02] <ddaedalus> Yorokobi: ok thx
[10:02] <K-Ryan> Well let's see
[10:02] <K-Ryan> !windows
[10:02] <ddaedalus> Alarm: try mounting with --umask 000
[10:02] <anon32> rrmm, na, I have time, details please
[10:02] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[10:03] <K-Ryan> It's not really flaming, just implying that it's rather problematic.
[10:03] <K-Ryan> If you look at it in a good way =)
[10:03] <anon32> or your nearest mental health institute - that's borderline troll :-\
[10:03] <Alarm> again the same. not enough permitions
[10:03] <stoft> !troll
[10:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about troll - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:03] <anon32> !trolltech
[10:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about trolltech - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:04] <LinkCanabico> !bill
[10:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bill - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:04] <anon32> !test
[10:04] <ubotu> Failed
[10:04] <LjL> !botabuse
[10:04] <ericsson> A bit off topic, but the reason why Vista sales is going up is because companies buy vista pre-loaded machines and then they get xp licences on them
[10:04] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[10:04] <rrmm> anon32~ my card worked under edgy perfectly, i upgraded and it stopped working (my card meaning my pci wirelss hawking hwp54g which useus RaLink chipset and use(?d) rt2500 module) i put in a xubuntu cd to see if it would detect it and it did but didnt work so i dl the driver onto the live cd and compiled and installed and it worked perfectly
[10:04] <K-Ryan> Wasn't me
[10:04] <ddaedalus> the man pages says that default for ntfs would be 077, which is right in your case. only root can access
[10:04] <rrmm> anon32~ i tried to do the same thing on a kubuntu and ubuntu live cd but they crashed
[10:05] <anon32> ericsson, do you have evidence for that? or are you just trying to bash Windows? because bashing anything and everything non-F/OSS only hurts the community
[10:05] <stoft> Alarm, it's a usb disk right?
[10:05] <anon32> rrmm, hint - install first
[10:05] <Alarm> stoft, exactly, ntfs one
[10:05] <ericsson> anon32: first hand experince and also news-articles via theINQ
[10:05] <rrmm> anon32~ i have a kubuntu installed system which i dont want to screw with
[10:05] <stoft> Alarm: so it has no entry in fstab?
[10:05] <K-Ryan> Well anon32 it's not like they aren't forcing some people to get it.
[10:05] <tdn> The menu bar is not visible on Konqueror. How do I make it visible? I do not know how it became hidden.
[10:06] <Alarm> stoft,  no
[10:06] <K-Ryan> That whole "Games For Windows" thing
[10:06] <LinkCanabico> also the vista sales include all vista's that are still in stores like wallmart because microsoft alredy "sold" them
[10:06] <K-Ryan> Compatible with Vista only
[10:06] <RytmenPinnen> how do I make list view default? I know where you change but once I open a new tab or a new window I see icons
[10:06] <anon32> K-Ryan, they're not really doing anything that hasn't been standard MS business practice for ages
[10:06] <Alarm> its not needed
[10:06] <rrmm> anon32~ i used the cds for a clean troubleshooting environment. to make sure it was my installed kubuntu that was messed up not the stupid ubuntu repos which they are
[10:06] <ddaedalus> Alarm: try the verbose switch plz
[10:06] <anon32> release new OS, phase out old one, don't backport
[10:06] <Alarm> verbose switch ? meaning in plain english ? :)
[10:06] <ddaedalus> -v
[10:06] <K-Ryan> Alright, when was Vista realeased?
[10:06] <ericsson> tdn: ctrl+shift+F
[10:06] <stoft> that's probably the problem then, not having an fstab entry you can't predefine the umask. you could probably work your way around it in udev config
[10:06] <K-Ryan> *released
[10:06] <rrmm> K-Ryan~ what is vista?
[10:06] <ddaedalus> when you consider "-v" plain english :P
[10:06] <trpr> i don't suppose we could move the debate on ms sales practices to offtopic, please
[10:07] <K-Ryan> rrmm: Windows Vista, their latest operating system.
[10:07] <Alarm> no i didnt understand which command to do with the -v flag
[10:07] <anon32> K-Ryan, 3 months ago
[10:07] <rrmm> K-Ryan~ what is windows?
[10:07] <LinkCanabico> vista is the spanish word for sight but you have to be blind to apeciate it
[10:07] <anon32> rrmm, don't troll, it just makes the Linux community look like idiots
[10:07] <tdn> ericsson, no.  The menu bar is just hidden.
[10:08] <ericsson> tdn: would F9 help?
[10:08] <K-Ryan> So why should Vista take over XP in a few months?
[10:08] <Alarm> alarm@rockpc:~$ pmount -v --umask 000
[10:08] <Alarm> pmount: invalid option -- v
[10:08] <anon32> it was only extended because people refused to update to 2000 or later
[10:08] <K-Ryan> Yeah, good point rrmm.
[10:08] <RytmenPinnen> how do I make list view default? I know where you change but once I open a new tab or a new window I see icons
[10:08] <tdn> ericsson, F9 gives me a side bar.
[10:08] <rrmm> it was already said
[10:08] <ericsson> tdn: or ctrl+m
[10:08] <anon32> yeah, we're going off topic..
[10:08] <ddaedalus> Alarm: kk, doesnt have verbose switch :(
[10:08] <K-Ryan> I missed it.
[10:08] <Alarm> ehe seems not :)
[10:08] <tdn> ericsson, ctrl+m does nothing :(
[10:08] <anon32> rrmm, please, don't troll, evangalize, etc
[10:08] <ericsson> tdn: You should know I'm not used to GUI's :)
[10:08] <rrmm> wtf is evangalizxze?
[10:09] <ddaedalus> Alarm: and using --umask 000 sure does not give any results
[10:09] <Alarm> amazing , nor in debian, linuxhelp channel can help me
[10:09] <ddaedalus> ?
[10:09] <Alarm> ddaedalus,  no, i tried it , i get the permition error
[10:09] <Alarm> when i try to enter
[10:09] <rrmm> anon32~ feisty was released too early, so many wireless problems with the kernel
[10:09] <ericsson> tdn: then I'm sorry, don't know :/
[10:09] <anon32> rrmm, http://familyfirst.net/ - evangalicals. anyway, yeah, back to the wireless
[10:09] <K-Ryan> Gotta start somewhere
[10:10] <rrmm> im not reading that junk
[10:10] <ddaedalus> Alarm: some stupid idea. u didn't create the folder as root, did you?
[10:10] <anon32> rrmm, do they compile right in KDE? it could be that you run out of space on your RAMdisk
[10:10] <K-Ryan> It's easier to find everything when many people are using it.
[10:10] <Alarm> how else can i cretate the dir as a simple user in the /media dir
[10:10] <K-Ryan> Bug wise
[10:10] <Alarm> cretate = create
[10:10] <stoft> ddaedalus: good question! :)
[10:10] <rrmm> anon32~ i need to compile the svn nightly because the others wont compile under feisty
[10:10] <ericsson> Alarm: sudo and chmod?
[10:10] <Alarm> didnt chmod it
[10:11] <ddaedalus> Alarm: well i mean other user can read ;) i know my sentance didnt made any sense
[10:11] <anon32> rrmm, and you can build them on Xubuntu live but not K/Ubuntu live, right?
[10:11] <Alarm> no i got what u mean
[10:11] <rrmm> anon32~ yes
[10:11] <Alarm> chdmo 640 would do ?
[10:11] <ddaedalus> Alarm: chmod a+rwx /media/win5
[10:11] <Alarm> chmod
[10:11] <rrmm> well ubuntu works but i cant rmmod the module
[10:11] <rrmm> anon32~ kubuntu just locks up
[10:11] <ddaedalus> Alarm: sudo ... // of course
[10:11] <Alarm> ok did it. and now ?
[10:11] <Alarm> yeap got that
[10:11] <anon32> rrmm, so you're saying that they compile but don't work?
[10:12] <Alarm> mount it how again ? with what parameteres
[10:12] <ddaedalus> Alarm: sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/win5 --umask 000
[10:12] <rrmm> anon32~ they compile on xubuntu and ubuntu, i cant rmmod on the ubuntu so i cant use the one i compiled and kubuntu locks up
[10:12] <Alarm> ddaedalus,  the command seems to be wrong.  i get the usage list
[10:12] <stoft> ddaedalus: if using mount, shouldn't it be -o umask=000?
[10:12] <Alarm> mount: unrecognized option `--umask'
[10:12] <ddaedalus> a, well yaah
[10:12] <anon32> rrmm, huh, that's odd. They ought to have the same kernel
[10:12] <ddaedalus> ;)
[10:13] <rrmm> anon32~ they do
[10:13] <rrmm> anon32~ uname -a
[10:13] <anon32> say, why are you using "rmmod"?
[10:13] <Alarm> ok i will add an -o
[10:13] <anon32> isn't that remove module?
[10:13] <ddaedalus> Alarm: sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/win5 -o umask=000
[10:13] <stoft> i.e. sudo mount -o umask=000 /dev/sda1 /media/win5
[10:13] <Alarm> ok did that
[10:13] <rrmm> anon32~ yes, i need to remove the module the kenrel loaded to use the one i compiled
[10:13] <Nanu> hi guys ,,, i just installed KDE on my Ubuntu,, i wanna remove it
[10:14] <ddaedalus> *praying
[10:14] <Alarm> ok some good and bad news
[10:14] <anon32> rrmm, what happens when you issue rmmod?
[10:14] <ddaedalus> bad first
[10:14] <Alarm> when i enter /media/win5 the dir is empty
[10:14] <Alarm> the good news are when i enter with media:/sda1 i see the files
[10:14] <rrmm> anon32~ it said the module was in use and when i di d a sudo ifdown ra0 it said it wasnt configured
[10:14] <ddaedalus> thats crazy?
[10:14] <stoft> oh.. yay... eh...
[10:14] <ddaedalus> thats is simply wrong
[10:14] <ericsson> lol@empty stuffz
[10:14] <LinkCanabico>  media:/sda1 is it a USB?
[10:15] <anon32> rrmm, an, now we're making some headway - did ifconfig list any net devices other than loopback?
[10:15] <Alarm> yes /dev/sda1 is the usb
[10:15] <ddaedalus> Alarm: plz do fdisk -l
[10:15] <rrmm> my ethernet one
[10:15] <Alarm>   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[10:15] <Alarm> /dev/sda1   *           1        9729    78148161    7  HPFS/NTFS
[10:15] <Nanu> when i type ( sudo aptitude remove kubuntu-desktop ) it says ( E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. )
[10:15] <anon32> rrmm, hrmm...
[10:15] <ddaedalus> Alarm: hmmm
[10:16] <stoft> could it have been automounted by udev?
[10:16] <anon32> rrmm, try rmmod -f <modulename>
[10:16] <rrmm> that didnt work eitehr
[10:16] <ddaedalus> stoft: well it should have been
[10:16] <rrmm> anon32~ i dont have that computer turned on even
[10:16] <LinkCanabico> soft i second that
[10:16] <Alarm> i know its strange.  when i enter to media:/ and see the devices listed. and get into the usb , instead ot /media/win5 i see the sda1 as i said before
[10:16] <anon32> rrmm, err... hmm...
[10:16] <stoft> Alarm: what does /etc/mtab say?
[10:16] <rrmm> anon32~ it said the resource was busy
[10:17] <ddaedalus> Alarm: u sure udev doesn't auto-mount?
[10:17] <anon32> rrmm, dunno what I can suggest then
[10:17] <Alarm> alarm@rockpc:~$ less /etc/mtab | grep sda1
[10:17] <Alarm> /dev/sda1 /media/win5 ntfs rw,umask=000 0 0
[10:17] <rrmm> anon32~ why cant ubuntu just fix the broken drivers?
[10:17] <anon32> rrmm, that would require more testing and the developers are lazy
[10:17] <LinkCanabico> but even if it automoutnts it should be abel to mount it elsewere
[10:18] <Alarm> ddaedalus,  also that. doesnt automount, i had to pount it , or now to mount it as u told me, but after i turn it off and on i have to mount it again
[10:18] <Alarm> give me a second to turn it off/on and see what happens
[10:18] <rrmm> anon32~ and when i dl the drivers to my installed kubuntu, those ones dont even work, i think i screwed up my install, im just going to wait till they make a fix, hopefully before gusty
[10:18] <ericsson> Alarm: sorry to say it mate, but this is interesting :)
[10:18] <anon32> rrmm, ah well, you can still use Ethernet right?
[10:19] <Alarm> ericsson,  u tell me :)
[10:19] <rrmm> anon32~ it was in my room for a reason, i had wifi and then served my ps2 from the ethernet
[10:19] <Alarm> ok , results . turned it on . the dialog box appeard if i want to open the disks window , error message: the mount point /media/win5 is allready occupied
[10:19] <anon32> rrmm, hehe, I don't trust wi-fi... call me a technophobe :-\
[10:19] <ddaedalus> Alarm: well mtab says everything is right
[10:20] <Alarm> when i did turn it off i did less /etc/mtab | grep sda1 and did not get any output
[10:20] <Yorokobi> Alarm, will it remount when you unmount it before turning it off/removing it?
[10:20] <ddaedalus> Alarm: ok. fisrt be sure it is plugged off. then sudo rm -r /media/win5
[10:20] <Alarm> neither do i get now when it says that it is occupied
[10:20] <Alarm> Yorokobi,  i also did that
[10:20] <ericsson> Alarm: could you pastebin mtab? Or are you sure everything is ok there?
[10:20] <rrmm> anon32~ it worked fine untill the god damn devs put in crappy kerenel modules, i SHOULD NOT lose support for hardware in an upgrade, i dont care do !ohmy to me i could care less
[10:20] <anon32> hehe
[10:20] <LinkCanabico> try umount /media/win5 and then mount it again
[10:20] <Alarm> ok removed the dir
[10:21] <anon32> rrmm, calm down though, things break when you make changes, it's a fact of life
[10:21] <Alarm> ehmm people , i can follow just one instruction sorry :)
[10:21] <anon32> my winmodem doesn't work with the new kernel either
[10:21] <Alarm> ericsson,  give me a second
[10:21] <Alarm> !paste
[10:21] <ericsson> anon32: win32 seldomworks
[10:21] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:21] <rrmm> anon32~ plenty of people have my back at this kernel/feisty upgrade issue
[10:21] <anon32> yeah, well :-\
[10:21] <rrmm> even devs too
[10:21] <mahdi> anyone know if xwinwrap is dead or not?
[10:21] <anon32> rrmm, considered building your own kernel?
[10:21] <ddaedalus> ericsson: his mtab looked ok
[10:22] <rrmm> anon32~  i lose support
[10:22] <ericsson> ddaedalus: no fair that you saw it :)
[10:22] <ddaedalus> Alarm: now recreate the dir
[10:22] <anon32> ericsson, well, that's not entirely true... but the idea of a winmodem is pretty stupid
[10:22] <Alarm> ericsson,  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18471/
[10:22] <Alarm> ok done
[10:22] <ddaedalus> Alarm: mkdir /media/win5
[10:22] <TheCreationist> If all my hardware works well in Edgy, do I run the risk of it NOT working when upgrading to Feisty?  I ask because a fresh install of Feisty didn't support my CD burner...and my sound didn't work.
[10:23] <anon32> rrmm, yeah, well, if you wanted support, you oughta stuck with Dapper :-\
[10:23] <Alarm> ddaedalus,  i did that :)
[10:23] <ericsson> anon32: yes, agree
[10:23] <ddaedalus> Alarm: :d
[10:23] <ddaedalus> Alarm: chmod?
[10:23] <anon32> ericsson, fortunately I have a broadband line now :-P
[10:23] <Alarm> chmod a+rwx /media/win5  again ?
[10:23] <just-this-time> xp has disk manager to see physical devices
[10:23] <rrmm> anon32~ i should not need to roll my own just because the ubuntu kernel hackers fucked up !coc !ohmy my ass
[10:24] <ddaedalus> Alarm: yes, should do
[10:24] <anon32> !coc ?
[10:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about coc ? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:24] <ddaedalus> Alarm: yes, should do
[10:24] <Alarm> ok next ? :)
[10:24] <ericsson> ddaedalus: Second your opinion that it looks ok, apart from the missing /media/win5 :)
[10:24] <just-this-time> what do I use in KDE Kubuntu to investigate unmounted partitions
[10:24] <ddaedalus> Alarm: well mount it
[10:24] <ddaedalus> Alarm: a no
[10:24] <rrmm> !coc | anon32
[10:24] <ubotu> anon32: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[10:24] <Alarm> what ?
[10:24] <ddaedalus> Alarm: plug it in
[10:24] <anon32> ......
[10:24] <Alarm> ok
[10:24] <Alarm> press ok or cancel in the dialog box ?
[10:25] <ddaedalus> Alarm: and wait for udev, and the <your de> automounter
[10:25] <anon32> rrmm, well, I can only see building your own kernel as a viable option at this point
[10:25] <anon32> but what do I know?
[10:25] <ddaedalus> Alarm: the ok button?
[10:25] <Alarm> well the window appeared asking me open in a new window
[10:25] <Alarm> ok
[10:25] <ericsson> Alarm: progress...
[10:25] <Alarm> same error: mount point /media/win5 occupied
[10:25] <ddaedalus> Alarm: hell yes! don't say you always pressed cancel
[10:25] <rrmm> anon32~ Reasons for NOT compiling a custom kernel
[10:25] <rrmm> #
[10:25] <rrmm> You merely need to compile a special driver. For this, you only need to install the linux-headers packages.
[10:25] <Alarm> no i was pressing 'ok'
[10:26] <ericsson> *sigh*
[10:26] <anon32> rrmm, but when it doesn't work? :-)
[10:26] <ddaedalus> Alarm: kill win5, repeat procedure without creating win5
[10:26] <rrmm> anon32~ im just reading what the wiki tells me to
[10:26] <Alarm> when i enter to /media/win5 its empty. when i try to enter from media:/ i get the error with occupied i mentioned above
[10:26] <anon32> I was tempted to build my own kernel because .21 had better SATA :-\
[10:26] <ericsson> Alarm: can you mount/read it if you kill X?
[10:26] <RytmenPinnen> who here has succesfully installed nvidia drivers without any resolution hassle?
[10:26] <anon32> but it took too long...
[10:26] <Alarm> kill win5 ? u mean remove the dir again ?
[10:26] <ddaedalus> ericsson: udev creates the dir if necessary
[10:26] <ddaedalus> Alarm: yes
[10:27] <Alarm> ok
[10:27] <rrmm> anon32~ it doesnt take long to compile a kerneel from scratch
[10:27] <ddaedalus> Alarm: sorry that i make u do trial and error, but i am out of ideas
[10:27] <TheCreationist> If all my hardware works well in Edgy, do I run the risk of it NOT working when upgrading to Feisty?  I ask because a fresh install of Feisty didn't support my CD burner...and my sound didn't work.
[10:27] <anon32> rrmm, meh, I don't have a lot of patience
[10:27] <rrmm> anon32~ i tried to but forgot to mount /boot so the kernel could not be found
[10:27] <anon32> and my CPU is kinda weak
[10:27] <Alarm> ok removed the folder, turned on the disk. no i get: could not enter /media/win5
[10:28] <anon32> rrmm, ow :-\
[10:28] <ericsson> ddaedalus: T&E is the only way to go sometimes
[10:28] <stoft> same thing I would've tried.
[10:28] <Alarm> ericsson,  no i didnt try it without x
[10:28] <ddaedalus> Alarm: u sure ur udev rules aren't messed up?
[10:28] <rrmm> anon32~ so instead i switched to kubuntu, from debian, i was tryuing to get my sata pci controller working
[10:28] <mcgregor> hello lads! i was wondering if someone could help me. i have some severe problems with running ktorrent.
[10:28] <Alarm> ddaedalus,  how can i know that ? :)
[10:28] <ddaedalus> Alarm: well, maybe u felt like messing with the udev rules?
[10:29] <Alarm> actually my os is fresh installed. i didnt do any changes
[10:29] <Alarm> its now that i try to mount my drive
[10:29] <anon32> rrmm, heh, my SATA controller is onboard and Intel, but I've had issues with hdparm
[10:29] <Alarm> ddaedalus,  no i didnt touch anything on udev
[10:29] <rrmm> least u have onbaord sata
[10:29] <anon32> rrmm, hehe, yeah, and kind of standardized (Intel) :-)
[10:30] <ddaedalus> Alarm: what does dmesg say when u plug ur drive in?
[10:30] <mcgregor> can anyone help me?
[10:30] <rrmm> anon32~ im going to reinstall the headers packs
[10:30] <anon32> go for it
[10:30] <rrmm> !ask | mcgregor
[10:30] <ubotu> mcgregor: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:30] <Alarm> let me check the logs
[10:30] <ericsson> mcgregor: just shoot ;)
[10:30] <ddaedalus> Alarm: plz paste dmesg | tail -n 100 right after plugging it in
[10:31] <ericsson> ddaedalus: he's soon gonna wear his ctrl+c combination out from all the copy&paste ;)
[10:31] <Alarm> ddaedalus, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18473/
[10:32] <mcgregor> ok
[10:32] <Alarm> a small part of the dmesg
[10:32] <ddaedalus> ericsson: when his cc is waern out becosue of this, mine must be non-existant ;)
[10:32] <anon32> stoft, lol, ntfs + flash = fail
[10:32] <mcgregor> can anyone help me here with resolving my ktorrent?
[10:32] <ericsson> what is rows 18+19
[10:32] <mcgregor> i think it crashed
[10:32] <anon32> you don't want a journal on a device with limited writes
[10:32] <LinkCanabico> ***stoft link is doing it
[10:33] <Alarm> and the paste you just asked me: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18474/
[10:33] <LinkCanabico> mcgregor whats the problem
[10:33] <ericsson> mcgregor: you can't start it again?
[10:33] <mcgregor> finally
[10:33] <mcgregor> yeah
[10:33] <mcgregor> if i start ktorrent
[10:33] <mcgregor> everything goes wrong
[10:33] <ddaedalus> Alarm: NTFS-fs warning (device sda1): load_system_files(): Volume is dirty.  Will not b <-- the most important part is missing
[10:34] <Alarm> whats that  ?
[10:34] <mcgregor> i mean
[10:34] <mcgregor> that
[10:34] <ddaedalus> Alarm: sorry, wrong link
[10:34] <ddaedalus> Alarm: my bad
[10:34] <mcgregor> after i start ktorrent
[10:34] <VSpike> I seem to be missing some important toolbar in konqueror in feisty.  The one for file manager use.  Any idea how I restore it?
[10:34] <ericsson> Alarm: I think you have strawberry-jam in your drive
[10:34] <mcgregor> something is happening
[10:34] <mcgregor> and the other programs
[10:35] <mcgregor> stop running
[10:35] <just-this-time> !ntfs
[10:35] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[10:35] <ddaedalus> ericsson: maybe he should try to open his drive and lick it off. might help.
[10:35] <Alarm> i see this: NTFS-fs warning (device sda1): load_system_files(): Volume is dirty.  Will not be able to remount read-write.  Run chkdsk and mount in Windows.
[10:35] <VSpike> It doesn't seem to be in the Settings->Toolbars list
[10:35] <don> remove it then replace it
[10:35] <Alarm> should i log on to windows do a chkdsk and try again or what ?
[10:35] <mcgregor> ok
[10:35] <just-this-time> !fuse
[10:35] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[10:35] <ericsson> ddaedalus: I think the drive could be infected with wi**ows?
[10:35] <mcgregor> i shall see if that could work
[10:35] <mcgregor> thx alot
[10:35] <mcgregor> :d
[10:35] <ddaedalus> Alarm: don't know. thats what it says.
[10:36] <Alarm> ericsson,  doesnt have win os on it. its just ntfs storage
[10:36] <ddaedalus> Alarm: infected with ntfs for sure...
[10:36] <Alarm> :)
[10:36] <ericsson> strawberry-ntfs that is..
[10:36] <VSpike> ntfs would be pretty good, if only it were open
[10:36] <ddaedalus> VSpike: but it isn't ...
[10:37] <don> what can I type in to change my resolution I can do way better
[10:37] <redfive> anyone know about the black windows thingy in beryl?
[10:37] <ddaedalus> Alarm: sorry u can try to do as the log says.
[10:37] <Alarm> ok , i go for a chkdsk and come back again, although i dont think that this will solve something
[10:37] <Alarm> thats what i will do
[10:37] <Alarm> be right back
[10:37] <ddaedalus> Alarm: i have to quit for now. hope
[10:37] <Alarm> :)
[10:37] <adz21c> redfive: its an nvidia bug
[10:37] <Alarm> be here in a few minutes
[10:38] <ddaedalus> Alarm: but i *do* have to quit
[10:38] <redfive> so using xgl don help?
[10:38] <Alarm> well i mean i will be here in a few minutes :)
[10:38] <Alarm> sorry , i didnt put the 'i'
[10:38] <adz21c> redfive: well i think it should tbh, i personally use AIGLX
[10:38] <Alarm> thank you a lot for ur help :)
[10:38] <ddaedalus> Alarm: kk
[10:38] <ddaedalus> Alarm: np, ur welcome
[10:38] <redfive> so do I, just sick of the black windows
[10:38] <Alarm> i will tell u the results in case i will see u :)
[10:38] <ddaedalus> Alarm: plz, do so ;)
[10:38] <sb73542> hello all, is there any workaround for Kubuntu 7.04 with the bug that breaks KDE when the monitor power saving time is changed?
[10:38] <ericsson> we're on a need to know basis, and we need to know :)
[10:39] <don> I found some res changers they didnot work at all
[10:39] <redfive> is there a program likd dreamweaver for linux?
[10:39] <adz21c> redfive: ditto, but last i knew it was a Nvidia only bug, so i switched to AIGLX till they fixed it
[10:39] <adz21c> redfive: quanta plus, bluefish etc
[10:39] <sb73542> it's quite a major showstopper, i can't believe it's not getting any attention
[10:39] <redfive> AIGLX is newer? or not as good as XGL?
[10:39] <adz21c> redfive: AIGLX performs better than XGL i think and is newer
[10:40] <_al_> hello
[10:40] <redfive> how can you tell which your using?
[10:40] <LinkCanabico> AIGLX still has major bugs
[10:40] <Alarm> ehmm something  i forgot to ask
[10:40] <RytmenPinnen> how do I make a "most used programs" list in the Kmenu? and I'd also like to have a search funcion that searches for apps that are in the kmenu only I had this in suse 10.0 and it was very handy
[10:40] <Alarm> could it be that udev is not running ? :)
[10:40] <TheCreationist> If all my hardware works well in Edgy, do I run the risk of it NOT working when upgrading to Feisty?  I ask because a fresh install of Feisty didn't support my CD burner...and my sound didn't work.
[10:40] <adz21c> redfive: I have the beryl manager running and it has the option to force a rendering platform in adv options
[10:40] <redfive> oh, i will look
[10:41] <_al_> what could be problem with scandinavic characters with skype?
[10:41] <Alarm> ericsson, what do u say
[10:41] <_al_> I'm using feisty
[10:41] <ericsson> Alarm: Interesting thought :)
[10:41] <Alarm> how can i check that ?:)
[10:41] <RytmenPinnen> TheCreationist: as far as my experience with feisty goes you should not get it
[10:41] <_al_> when I type this kind of character there appears square
[10:41] <stoft> Alarm: I think udev is running (ps -A|grep udev) seeing as you're producing errors in dmesg.
[10:42] <redfive> ok im not seeing it
[10:42] <TheCreationist> RytmenPinnen: Yeah, that was my experience so far too.  You'd think new releases would support MORE hardware, not less ;)
[10:42] <Alarm> yeap it is
[10:42] <just-this-time> \o interesting issue
[10:42] <Alarm> ok i will try to chkdsk it then under windows , hope this will make some difference
[10:42] <VSpike> RytmenPinnen: There's a KDE improvement on apps.kde.org which is pretty much what you want... even mentions that it's based on Suse I think
[10:42] <just-this-time> bk from googling
[10:42] <just-this-time> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-214972.html
[10:43] <just-this-time> is there a way to  "regenerate fstab"
[10:43] <RytmenPinnen> yeh I cant get my nvidia drivers to work :( If I enable them I get a maximum resolution of 640x480 and I have no idea how to fix it
[10:43] <just-this-time> is there a way to  "regenerate fstab"
[10:43] <just-this-time> sorry
[10:43] <stoft> TheCreationist: I would evaluate (make a list with plus and minuses) reasons for upgrade. if everything works as it is annd you're satisfied with that, why upgrade? (why kill a winning combination in other words)
[10:43] <don> I have same trouble
[10:43] <don> 640x480
[10:43] <don> sucks
[10:43] <nu> hey guys
[10:44] <TheCreationist> stoft: Well, because I don't want to get left too far behind; especially once the support cycle for Edgy comes to an end.
[10:44] <nu> does anybody know how to disable the icon click effect in KDE ?
[10:44] <Black_Cat> nu, bouncing cursor? "Launch feedback" in Panel settings.
[10:44] <RytmenPinnen> some dude over here helped me fix the problem with the resolution but I have no drivers instead :/
[10:44] <nu> nope, not the bouncing cursor
[10:44] <stoft> RytmenPinnen: do you use katapult? it's not quite a search function, but it might be what you're looking for without knowing it?
[10:44] <nu> the "zoom" effect
[10:45] <LinkCanabico> nu right click on the task bar
[10:45] <redfive> is there a program like dreamweaver for linux?
[10:45] <don> I like to know how to make my icons smaller thay are big!
[10:45] <Yorokobi> RytmenPinnen, don, did you guys specify the Horizontal and Vertical refresh values in your xorg.conf ?
[10:45] <Black_Cat> redfive, many of them. Quanta Plus for example.
[10:45] <ericsson> the icon-increasing-flashy-zoomy-thingie?
[10:45] <adz21c> redfive: quanta plus or bluefish
[10:45] <LinkCanabico> nu then configure panel
[10:45] <sb73542> does anyone know if the kde guidance / kcontrol stuff wiill get fixed any time soon?  I have filed 3 major bugs related to kde guidance stuff, and there's been no developer response
[10:45] <nu> yes...
[10:45] <LinkCanabico> nu then aspect
[10:45] <nu> appearance ?
[10:46] <stoft> TheCreationist: true, at the same time evaluate the urgency of an upgrade, can you wait 2 months e.g.?
[10:46] <RytmenPinnen> Yorokobi: nope but I dont have the permission to edit xorg.conf and I never got any help to so
[10:46] <LinkCanabico> maby i heve the spanish version and translating
[10:46] <VSpike> RytmenPinnen: found it... http://www.kbfx.org/
[10:46] <nu> okay..
[10:46] <nu> "enable icon mouseover effects" doesnt fix it :\
[10:46] <nu> any other checkbox i have to untick ?
[10:46] <VSpike> RytmenPinnen: I didn't get on with it, but it may be what you want
[10:47] <LinkCanabico> yes wait
[10:47] <Yorokobi> RytmenPinnen, that's what the sudo command is for. Did you read the help web page provided by !fixres?
[10:47] <RytmenPinnen> cool
[10:47] <TheCreationist> stoft: Of course, I can.  I just remember always being about 2-3 versions behind when I used Windows... I'm liking being able to always upgrade to the latest Kubuntu :P  I'll give it some time
[10:47] <RytmenPinnen> yes
[10:47] <LinkCanabico>  there are two check boxes right?
[10:47] <nu> two on the top, and two on the bottom
[10:47] <nu> actually 3
[10:47] <nu> in the panel background section (useless)
[10:48] <nu> two icons on the top. "enable icon mouseover effects" and "show tooltips"
[10:48] <nu> both unchecked, no fix
[10:48] <rrmm> anon32~ it magivly worked somehow
[10:48] <rrmm> i didnt do anything
[10:48] <anon32> lol
[10:48] <Yorokobi> RytmenPinnen, if you read the help then you didn't follow the instructions; or are you unable to because you don't have sudo privs?
[10:48] <LinkCanabico> the one on top are reversed enable the right one and disable the left one
[10:48] <rrmm> just turned it on and was playing with iwlist iwconfig ifconfig
[10:48] <RytmenPinnen> hmm, maby I missed something
[10:48] <RytmenPinnen> !fix
[10:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:48] <rrmm> then i saw the lights go on so i typed in the right information
[10:48] <nu> did it, and still the effect is there
[10:48] <stoft> TheCreationist: if you're really worried, wait a month or so. personally I've had no  major problems with feisty, but obviously others have.
[10:48] <Yorokobi> !fixres > RytmenPinnen
[10:49] <LinkCanabico> nu ok let me check
[10:49] <ericsson> what was the definition update for clam?
[10:49] <nu> thaks much LinkCanabico
[10:49] <TheCreationist> stoft: I had a lot of serious problems with it...
[10:50] <RytmenPinnen> should I try to enable the drivers first?
[10:50] <Alarm> no error messages on the chddsk
[10:50] <Alarm> chkdsk
[10:50] <rrmm> anon32~ hoepfully when i reboot it will all work again so i can put it back in my room and fix my php/apache issue
[10:50] <Yorokobi> RytmenPinnen, fix your xorg.conf first, make sure X still starts with the nv drivers, then change nv to nvidia and restart X.
[10:50] <ericsson> !fixres
[10:50] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[10:50] <RytmenPinnen> k
[10:51] <ericsson> Alarm: and still permission errors?
[10:51] <Alarm> yeap
[10:51] <nu> Alarm: still trying eh ?
[10:51] <Alarm> though i dont see anything wrong written like before in the dmesg
[10:51] <Alarm> nu hey :)
[10:51] <Alarm> yes
[10:52] <Alarm> just this : NTFS-fs warning (device sda1): load_system_files(): Volume has been modified by chkdsk.  Will not be able to remount read-write.  Mount in Windows.
[10:52] <nuu> there's a tool to clean it Alarm
[10:52] <LinkCanabico> nu sorry its all i have to do to make it work so no idea waths wrong
[10:52] <anon32> Alarm, so mount it in Windows
[10:52] <nuu> ntfsfix iirc
[10:53] <nuu> ntfsfix /dev/sda1 should avoid you mounting it in windows
[10:53] <ericsson> nuu: you need to tell us, we are a couple of us following the unfolding story with keen eyes ;)
[10:53] <anon32> Alarm, that basically means that the partition is in need of Windows' equivalent of a fsck
[10:53] <anon32> nuu, ntfsfix empties the journal and schedules Windows to run a chkdsk...
[10:53] <Yorokobi> Alarm, if you don't mind, take us back to the beginning. What are you trying to do, exactly?
[10:54] <nuu> hm, then perhaps it wasnt ntfsfix
[10:54] <amrush> hello ... I'm on KDE right now ... I have gnome installed but ever since i updated to Edgy Gnome doesn't work anymore ... just shows the splash screen then nothing happens afterwards only the mouse works  ... Can anyone help please?
[10:54] <Yorokobi> Alarm, or pm me the history
[10:54] <Alarm> Yorokobi, okie... i have an external hd usb disk with ntfs on it
[10:54] <Alarm> i want when i turn that thing on , to be automounted
[10:54] <Alarm> it doesnt
[10:54] <bart_> How do I install yamipod if not available in adept manager?
[10:54] <nuu> or actually, it was ntfsfix, but my problem was the "dirty journal" bit
[10:54] <nuu> so it fixed mine, but it wouldnt fix alarm's
[10:54] <Alarm> i get several errors like no permition to enter /media/win5 or that it is occupied
[10:55] <nuu> thanks for pointing that out anon32
[10:55] <Etokura> sudo apt-get install yamipod
[10:55] <Yorokobi> Alarm, so, you don't get the pop-up asking you if you want to open Konqueror in a new window (and other options)?
[10:55] <nuu> LinkCanabico: that's ok dont worry, thanks all the same
[10:55] <LinkCanabico> got to go good look Alarm
[10:56] <Alarm> Yorokobi,  i can see the files when i pmount it as a simple user. but once i swhich it off and on, i get that the /media/win5 is occupied
[10:56] <LinkCanabico> by nuu gl to you to
[10:56] <nuu> cheers buddy
[10:56] <Alarm> i do , but when i press on it i get an error
[10:56] <Alarm> lilalinux,  than you :)
[10:56] <Yorokobi> Alarm, you need to pumount/umount/eject it before unplugging it
[10:56] <Alarm> i get that the /media/win5 is occupied
[10:56] <nuu> i think i'll dream of win5 tonight
[10:56] <Alarm> even if i do that, i get that
[10:56] <nuu> :P
[10:56] <Alarm> nuu imagine about me :)
[10:57] <nuu> i can guess Alarm!
[10:57] <ericsson> nuu: wet dreams..
[10:57] <nuu> haha ericsson
[10:57] <imagine> eewwww
[10:57] <bart_> Etokura, tried it but error saying could not find package yamipod
[10:57] <Etokura> Is that it's full name?
[10:57] <nuu> btw Alarm: when you tried those steps from a terminal, did it work out fine ? or same issues as in kde ?
[10:57] <Alarm> also , when i pmount it and enter in media:/ and press on the removable disk ,it takes me to system:/media/sda1
[10:58] <Etokura> Try sudo apt-get install yamipod*
[10:58] <Alarm> when i enter to /media/win5 , the dir is empty
[10:58] <nuu> sorry, i meant from a console
[10:58] <ericsson> bah, I can't remember the avclam updater? was is fresh-clam or something like that?
[10:58] <Alarm> nuu same
[10:58] <nuu> Alarm: but was kde stopped ?
[10:58] <Alarm> yes, console only
[10:58] <amrush> guys ... i need help
[10:58] <bart_> Etokura, same result
[10:58] <nuu> mmh, i see
[10:58] <ericsson> !ask | amrush
[10:59] <Etokura> Make sure you have multiverse enabled in software sources
[10:59] <amrush> hello ... I'm on KDE right now ... I have gnome installed but ever since i updated to Edgy Gnome doesn't work anymore ... just shows the splash screen then nothing happens afterwards only the mouse works  ... thanks in advance
[10:59] <ubotu> amrush: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:59] <Alarm> Yorokobi,  dont tell me u allready gave up ehehe
[10:59] <Yorokobi> Alarm, I have a problem with removing/ejecting USB media, not remounting it :)
[10:59] <ericsson> amrush: so, which one do you want to use?
[10:59] <bart_> Etokura, there is only a tar. gz file available on their website
[11:00] <Alarm> well call it however u want. i still cant mount it when i turn it on :)
[11:00] <Etokura> Download that
[11:00] <amrush> currently i want to use gnome ..
[11:00] <Alarm> i can mount it , but manualy , not automatically
[11:00] <Etokura> And then if you want a .deb file, do sudo apt-get install alien
[11:00] <Yorokobi> Alarm, what if you change the USB port its plugged into?
[11:00] <don> i tried two diff ways in console to change resolution got another
[11:00] <stoft> Alarm: did you try removing the dir /media/win5 before the replugging, like ddaedalus said?
[11:00] <Etokura> It can convert tar.gz files to .deb
[11:00] <ericsson> amrush: you could try to simply do sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and see if it fixes it for you..
[11:00] <bart_> Etokura, i suppose you then have to do ./configure make make install?
[11:00] <Alarm> !paste
[11:01] <amrush> tried that
[11:01] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[11:01] <Etokura> No, just download alien and convert it that way
[11:01] <Alarm> stoft,  yes i did. then it couldnt open /media/win5
[11:01] <Etokura> Use sudo alien Filename.tar.gz
[11:01] <stoft> ok
[11:01] <Alarm> and here a part of my dmesg
[11:01] <Alarm> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18478/
[11:02] <Alarm> Yorokobi,  same
[11:02] <amrush> ericsson: I tried that .. .didn't work
[11:02] <Etokura> Try sudo aptitude reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[11:03] <ericsson> amrush: does the gnome-panel or gnome-session work then?
[11:03] <amrush> ericsson how can i check out ?
[11:03] <ericsson> hui, terrible lagging around here..
[11:04] <bart_> Etokura, ok now I have a deb generated file
[11:04] <Etokura> Right now try to install it
[11:04] <Etokura> It should be in /home/user/
[11:05] <ericsson> amrush: first, as Etokura suggested, try sudo apititude reinstall ubuntu-desktop, if that doesn't help, then try sudo apt-get install gnome-session
[11:05] <bart_> Etokura, that's right
[11:05] <Alarm> i feel so helpless hehe
[11:05] <ericsson> Alarm: you are brave :)
[11:05] <amrush> ok ... brb .. i finished reinstalling i will try to check it out
[11:05] <Etokura> Did it install alright?
[11:06] <amrush> no errors popped up
[11:06] <ericsson> pah, with what would I open some stupid .chm files? :)
[11:06] <bart_> Etokura, hold on
[11:06] <Alarm> kchmviewer
[11:06] <Etokura> Okay
[11:06] <ericsson> amrush: kill x and try to re-login
[11:06] <amrush> ok .. brb
[11:06] <Alarm> it opens it in konqueror
[11:06] <LjL> ericsson: "apt-cache search keywords" always helps.
[11:07] <ericsson> LjL: depends on how well my memory works though..
[11:07] <Alarm> ericsson,  try the app i told u
[11:08] <ericsson> Alarm: I'll check that one out..
[11:08] <Alarm> i use it also, it does what u want
[11:08] <bart_> Etokura, i did the install but don't know where it went
[11:08] <Etokura> Look in your kde menu
[11:08] <bart_> Etokura,  oh i'm using kununtu feisty
[11:08] <Etokura> Or try yamipod in a console
[11:09] <blekos> whould you mind explaining smg? When I first install Ubumtu i was asked for a usrname & password. Now I've done sudo su and changed the root psswd
[11:09] <blekos> but when I run smg it need root pswd e.g firestarter I enter my account's psswd
[11:09] <Alarm> ericsson,  do u accept private messages ?
[11:09] <blekos> wasnt I supposed to enter the root's psswd?
[11:10] <ericsson> Alarm: I would guess...haven't changed settings..
[11:10] <Etokura> Root account is disabled by default
[11:10] <Etokura> You just use your account password
[11:10] <Alarm> seems my messages are ignored :)
[11:10] <Alarm> if u cannot read what i am writing u now
[11:10] <blekos> but then, if I create a new user will the new user be able to install things?
[11:10] <Etokura> Yes
[11:11] <Etokura> You use that user's password too
[11:11] <ericsson> nah, I just don't wanna talk to 'ya! No, seriously, hold on, I'll check the settings..
[11:11] <Sanne> !root | blekos
[11:11] <ubotu> blekos: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[11:11] <blekos> but i dont want that user to be able to do so
[11:11] <Alarm> pls talk to me, or else i am gonna wish u to have the same problem with ur external drive hehehe :)
[11:12] <Yorokobi> blekos, a newly created user cannot use sudo
[11:13] <ericsson> Alarm: I can't find any settings in Konversation that even implies that I can allow/disallow private peep-sh...sorry..chats..
[11:14] <ericsson> ah, blocked due to spam
[11:14] <redfive> is wine noe avaible in7.04? aptget says it dont exist
[11:14] <stoft> ericsson: if you tire of kchm-something there's also xchm.
[11:14] <Alarm> nice
[11:15] <Yorokobi> !info wine | redfive
[11:15] <ubotu> redfive: wine: Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.33-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 9576 kB, installed size 44452 kB
[11:15] <Alarm> ericsson,  i wanted to ask u if you could paste me my very first lines when i entered where i explain my problem
[11:15] <ubuntu> Hi again
[11:15] <Alarm> so i could just paste it in a forum
[11:15] <Alarm> if not i will have to write it again :)
[11:15] <redfive> why caint i see it on adept?
[11:15] <Yorokobi> redfive, you have enable the universe repository
[11:16] <RytmenPinnen> ok I fixed the xorg file but now my system wont boot
[11:16] <Alarm> RytmenPinnen,  put back the backup file of xorg you got
[11:16] <Alarm> or reconfigure xorg
[11:16] <ericsson> you mean when you explained your problem?
[11:17] <Alarm> yeap
[11:17] <RytmenPinnen> it gets to the loading screen but then it goes black
[11:17] <Alarm> at the very begining
[11:17] <redfive> well, evertthing it uncomented and still caont find it
[11:17] <RytmenPinnen> can I do that with the live cd
[11:17] <stoft> Alarm: do you remember what time it was?
[11:17] <Alarm> RytmenPinnen,  reconfigure it
[11:17] <Etokura> bart_, Did you get it working?
[11:17] <Alarm> for sure like 1 hour ago ?
[11:17] <RytmenPinnen> how do I that form the live cd_
[11:17] <Yorokobi> RytmenPinnen, use Alt-F1 and log in the cp you /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup-or-whatever to /etc/X11/xorg.conf then restart kdm
[11:17] <redfive> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty universe should ve uncomented for wine to show up?
[11:18] <stoft> Alarm: I'll see what I caan find.
[11:18] <Alarm> okie thanks
[11:18] <Alarm> it starts with "hello" :)
[11:18] <Alarm> ehehe
[11:18] <ericsson> ;)
[11:18] <Alarm> be right back, i must reboot
[11:18] <ericsson> Otherwise it's the short version
[11:18] <stoft> eheheh
[11:18] <Alarm> i will be back in a second
[11:18] <ericsson> [23:54]  <Alarm> Yorokobi, okie... i have an external hd usb disk with ntfs on it
[11:18] <ericsson> [23:54]  <Alarm> i want when i turn that thing on , to be automounted
[11:18] <RytmenPinnen> where shall I press alt f1
[11:18] <Alarm> nah, that was much more later :)
[11:19] <Alarm> should be something like 23:00
[11:19] <Alarm> or 22:50
[11:19] <Yorokobi> RytmenPinnen, at the blank/black screen after your computer tries to start KDM
[11:19] <Alarm> too bad i dont keep logs
[11:19] <stoft> nice going ericsson, you're in a diff TZ though  :)
[11:19] <RytmenPinnen> ah so I cant do it from the live cd_ >o
[11:19] <ericsson> stoft: Yeah, I'm a bit behind, if that's what you mean :)
[11:19] <Alarm> true... 20:52 GMT ehehe
[11:20] <Yorokobi> RytmenPinnen, why would you use the LiveCD ?
[11:20] <RytmenPinnen> so I could ask you
[11:20] <Etokura> [12:39:31]  <Alarm> i got a problem mounting my external usb hd . when i plug it in and turn it on , and try to enter in the partition i get: could not enter folder /media/win5 . i can only mount it with pmount /dev/sda1 . i did also add my user (alarm) to the plugdev group , and rebooted as well.
[11:20] <Etokura> [12:39:43]  <Alarm> in the fstab there is nothing listed about the /dev/sda1 device .
[11:20] <ericsson> I'll check the .log and see if I find something..
[11:20] <stoft> hehe
[11:20] <Yorokobi> oh ...
[11:20] <Alarm> there u go, lovely :)
[11:20] <ericsson> ah..
[11:20] <RytmenPinnen> ohwell ill try again
[11:20] <Alarm> Etokura,  thank you a lot for searching:)
[11:20] <ericsson> beat that microsoft support! ;)
[11:21] <Alarm> Etokura,  there must be 1 more big entry of me after that, am i right ? :)
[11:21] <Etokura> Heh
[11:21] <Alarm> if possible to paste that as well (auchh) :)
[11:21] <redfive> is there a way to reset the repositories?
[11:21] <Etokura> Let me check
[11:21] <ericsson> Alarm: there is soon a dedicated channel for you..
 when i mount it with pmount /dev/sda1 as i said it works pretty well,. i can enter the partition,. but once i turn it of (even if i remove it safely) , and then turn it on again, i get again the same message . it is an ntfs drive
[11:22] <ericsson> #alarm_and_his_usb_nightmare__stories
[11:22] <MetaMorfoziS> http://kubunt.org/ -> fuck...
[11:22] <Alarm> sure #mount-alarm-usb-drive
[11:22] <LjL> !language | MetaMorfoziS
[11:22] <ubotu> MetaMorfoziS: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:22] <Alarm> Etokura,  thats it. thanks again :)
[11:22] <MetaMorfoziS> !fuck | LjL
[11:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fuck - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:22] <Etokura> Has anyone heard anything about using the Helio media Mover with Kubuntu?
[11:23] <Alarm> be right back in a few minutes
[11:23] <Etokura> Or using the Helio as a usb drive
[11:23] <Etokura> It's not detected
[11:23] <ericsson> *poff*
[11:24] <redfive> what does Package wine has no installation candidate mean?
[11:24] <don> where can I get a list of console commands?
[11:24] <redfive> i have all respositories enabled
[11:24] <LjL> !cli > don    (don, see the private message from Ubotu)
[11:25] <ericsson> don: man pages or http://www.ss64.com/bash/
[11:25] <Black_Cat> redfive - and did you fetch updates from all of them?
[11:25] <linucs> #kubuntu-it
[11:25] <don> thanks i want to check it out iscrew up ill reinstall
[11:26] <redfive> all of them?
[11:26] <redfive> just click fetch updates?
[11:27] <Black_Cat> redfive, that should be enough if they're enabled
[11:27] <wiz> hmm..
[11:27] <BluesKaj> I'm still  pi**ed that alsa has seen fit to block the pcm out on my pc...worked fine in edgy
[11:27] <redfive> wow, is there a way to reset the repository list?
[11:28] <redfive> looks like others have this problem, i googled it
[11:28] <amrush> etokura .. I'm back still still doesn't work ..
[11:28] <amrush> that is to be ubuntu-desktop
[11:28] <BluesKaj> yes redfive. you can add repos into the sources list
[11:28] <Etokura> Hum
[11:28] <alexander> Hi guys. Im yet another new Linux user :D
[11:28] <Etokura> Try sudo apt-get install gnome-session
[11:29] <alexander> or atleast new Ubuntu user
[11:29] <Etokura> Hi
[11:29] <alexander> How are ya'll doing?
[11:29] <BluesKaj> fine alexander, what's up ?
[11:29] <alexander> Just getting used to this fine OS
[11:29] <amrush> etokura .. it's already installed
[11:30] <redfive> is there a repo for wine?
[11:30] <Etokura> Try  sudo aptitude reinstall gnome-session
[11:30] <Etokura> Afterwards just log out(CTRL+ALT+Backspace) and try to log into gnome
[11:30] <RytmenPinnen> wonderbar
[11:31] <linucs> Qualcuno mi pu aiutare con la conofigurazione di firefox?
[11:31] <stoft> !it | linucs
[11:31] <ubotu> linucs: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[11:31] <amrush> if it doesn't work i will have to restart the computer
[11:31] <Alarm> ok i fixed it
[11:31] <Alarm> ok dont get scared :)
[11:31] <Etokura> Great
[11:31] <Alarm> now i got problems with time hehehe
[11:31] <stoft> Alarm: wb
[11:31] <alexander> Anyone interested in helping me abit?
[11:31] <Alarm> i didnt fix anything, i turned it of :)
[11:31] <|ericsson|> bah, nightmare finding unregistered nicks ;)
[11:31] <linucs> puoi dirmi come faccio a cambiare canale?
[11:31] <Etokura> With what alexander
[11:31] <|ericsson|> !ask | alexander
[11:32] <ubotu> alexander: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:32] <BluesKaj> alexander: just ask
[11:32] <Alarm> although xchat shows the right time, and when i "adjust time & date" have the correct, time , in the task bar i get 3 forward. when i change it , it messes it up and shows 29 april 21:00
[11:32] <Alarm> i did change the timezone and did put athens
[11:32] <|ericsson|> Alarm: :=
[11:32] <Alarm> my lucky day today ehehe
[11:32] <alexander> Installing VLC and other programs. Finding sound driver and graphics driver
[11:32] <Etokura> Alarm it may be your CMOS battery
[11:32] <Mutta> bonsoir
[11:32] <Alarm> hmm, true i didnt check for the bios.
[11:32] <Alarm> forgot about it
[11:32] <Alarm> i will
[11:32] <alexander> Something like apt-get install VLC right?
[11:32] <Alarm> be right back :)
[11:32] <Etokura> Yes
[11:33] <Mutta> ya quelqu'un qui parles franais?
[11:33] <stoft> linucs: scrivi "/j #ubuntu-it"
[11:33] <|ericsson|> !medibuntu | alexander
[11:33] <ubotu> alexander: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
[11:33] <Mutta> ubuntu french channel???
[11:33] <RytmenPinnen> is there somekind of system restore
[11:33] <Sanne> alexander: you may find this helpful for an overview about software management in *buntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement
[11:33] <|ericsson|> alexander: Yes, sudo apt-get install vlc
[11:33] <RytmenPinnen> I cant use the adept manager anymore for some reason
[11:33] <alexander> tnx guys
[11:34] <RytmenPinnen> its says there's another proces using it but I just logged in
[11:34] <Mutta> help french pleas???????????
[11:34] <|ericsson|> !fr | Mutta
[11:34] <ubotu> Mutta: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:34] <TheCreationist> RytmenPinnen: You're not running apt in a terminal are you?
[11:34] <Black_Cat> !kubuntu-fr
[11:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kubuntu-fr - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:34] <Mutta> thank ubotu :)
[11:34] <BluesKaj> yeah , sudo apt-get install pkgname , but make sure your universe multiverse repositories are uncommented ( #is removed from the repos)
[11:34] <Sanne> alexander: if you want to know the exact name of a package, you can use the command: 'apt-cache search <searchterm>' or search for the package at packages.ubuntu.com
[11:34] <RytmenPinnen> nope I dont think so cause I logged in 10 seconds ago
[11:34] <Etokura> I had that problem
[11:35] <Etokura> I honestly don't remember what I did to solve it
[11:35] <Etokura> But try synaptic
[11:35] <RytmenPinnen> unless the terminal keeps running things forever and ever until you tell them to stop
[11:35] <TheCreationist> RytmenPinnen: Not once you log out.  Are there other users logged in right now?
[11:36] <RytmenPinnen> nope, I installed kubuntu today and its quite screwed up allready
[11:36] <TheCreationist> RytmenPinnen: What version?
[11:36] <blekos> is there somewhere i could suggest kcontrol to be available in the Kmenu?
[11:36] <RytmenPinnen> feisty
[11:36] <TheCreationist> RytmenPinnen: And was it a fresh install?
[11:36] <don> I still need a command that will let me change resolution
[11:36] <RytmenPinnen> yes
[11:36] <RytmenPinnen> as fresh as it can be
[11:36] <Etokura> blekos use the menu editor
[11:37] <blekos> I tried to changes my image from System settitngs but it wasnt possible, i had to change smg from the kcontrol and then back to system settings
[11:37] <amigrave> how can I prevent kde desktop showing Remote Shares icons ? I tried to disable it in prefs -> Desktop Behaviour but the icons keep showing. (Note: I'm mounting using mount.cifs) Even if I uncjeck "Show device icons" in desktop behaviour it doesn't change anything
[11:37] <Sanne> blekos: you can add it to the panel as an applet. For the menu you need to make your own entry (as far as I know)
[11:37] <TheCreationist> RytmenPinnen: Okay, go to Kmenu -> System -> Performan Monitor
[11:37] <RytmenPinnen> I'm thinking about actually reinstalling again, and if things dont get right then I'll just end up going back to SUSE 10.0
[11:37] <blekos> yes I have added, but how on earthy a newbie will be able to find that it exists
[11:37] <Alarm> now thats weird. can the os change the cmos values ?
[11:37] <Alarm> as u said the date wasnt correct in the bios. changed it . reboot it and checked again the bios, the settings were saved
[11:37] <Sanne> blekos: I don't know, I don't make the distro ;)
[11:38] <Alarm> loged into kde ,and the date/time is again not ok
[11:38] <Etokura> Good to hear Alarm
[11:38] <Etokura> Oh
[11:38] <TheCreationist> Alarm: Do you have the correct time zone selected?
[11:38] <Alarm> when i go to adjust the time date i see the correct one, but on the task bar i see 3 hours forward
[11:38] <Alarm> yes athens
[11:38] <Etokura> Kill the clock and restart it
[11:39] <PCGenie> Hello there.....
[11:39] <Alarm> Etokura, how ? :)
[11:39] <devian_> THE GRUB after installation hanging after showing "GRUB loading stage1.5"....why the problem is creating ??
[11:39] <Etokura> Try killall orage
[11:39] <RytmenPinnen> cannot find performan monitor
[11:39] <Etokura> In a console
[11:39] <Alarm> orage: no process killed
[11:39] <Etokura> RytmenPinnen, kmenu - system - ksysguard
[11:40] <Etokura> I'm not sure what the clock is called
[11:40] <|ericsson|> ehh..oops, if I managed to shutdown a server which has a bootable CD in the drive, can I bypass that through use of SSH? :)
[11:40] <RytmenPinnen> and then?
[11:40] <RytmenPinnen> should I look in the process table?
[11:40] <Etokura> Look for a package manager already running
[11:40] <Etokura> And then kill it
[11:40] <Etokura> Yes in the processes
[11:41] <RytmenPinnen> dont have the permisson
[11:41] <Etokura> Click administrator mode
[11:41] <Etokura> Err nevermind
[11:42] <devian_> THE GRUB after installation hanging after showing "GRUB loading stage1.5"....why the problem is creating ??how can resolve it ??
[11:42] <amrush> etokura .. still doesn't work :S
[11:42] <Alarm> strange
[11:42] <Etokura> Find the name of the process and in a console type sudo killall process
[11:42] <Etokura> Hm
[11:42] <JohnFlux> !grub
[11:42] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[11:43] <JohnFlux> devian_: ^^ maybe those will help
[11:43] <Etokura> Does it hang on the countdown?
[11:45] <Alarm> Etokura,  just found out that the os can change the bios values
[11:45] <redfive> i think i found my problem with installing wine, im using kubuntu amd64
[11:45] <amrush> etokura .. u seem to be u seem to be flooded ..
[11:45] <devian_> Thanks looking :)
[11:45] <epimeth> anybody know if autdesk rivet works with wine?
[11:46] <Etokura> amrush what exactly happens when you start up gnome?
[11:46] <don> that will do it you can still use wine just more complicated
[11:46] <RytmenPinnen> bleh this is too much, is there a way to rollback the system a couple of hours? or do I have to reinstall?
[11:46] <redfive> anyone know if you can get java and flash to work in konqueror native on amd64?
[11:47] <heinkel_111> redfive: yes you can
[11:47] <heinkel_111> redfive, that does not mean the same as "it's easy"
[11:47] <don> I ran i386 to avoid all that
[11:47] <just-this-time> \o
[11:47] <muzero> hi to all
[11:47] <amrush> splash screen finishes it's loading .. mouse changes it's theme bars body appear without icons, then suddenly disappear .. and i can do nothing .. not even restart kernel nor go out to a terminal ..
[11:47] <just-this-time> \o anyone tried http://cutlersoftware.com/ubuntusetup/wubi/en-US/index.html WUBI ?
[11:47] <redfive> i know i did it with firefox 32 bit
[11:48] <heinkel_111> redfive: i run it in firefox 64 that was not too hard
[11:48] <Etokura> Maybe it's a problem with gnome-panel
[11:48] <Etokura> Try sudo aptitude reinstall gnome-panel
[11:48] <redfive> how did you do it?
[11:48] <muzero> every time i start kubuntu, kubuntu start fsck!!! why?
[11:49] <heinkel_111> redfive: to do it with konqueror you need a patch to konqueror, nspluginwrapper (and some trial and error time)
[11:49] <dettoaltrimenti_> is there any little program I can use to see how much electricity my computer is using?
[11:49] <heinkel_111> redfive: try googling gwenole beauchesne's homepage, there you can find documentation
[11:49] <redfive> k, thanks!
[11:50] <heinkel_111> redfive: the only thing that is really irrritating is that Mandriva has all this worked out by default
[11:50] <redfive> how did you get flash to work in firefox 64?
[11:50] <heinkel_111> with the nspluginwrapper
[11:50] <heinkel_111> see gwenole beauchesne's homepage
[11:50] <redfive> ah, its a universal plugin
[11:50] <amrush> etokura .. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18484/
[11:51] <heinkel_111> redfive: http://gwenole.beauchesne.info/en/projects/nspluginwrapper
[11:51] <heinkel_111> :)
[11:51] <heinkel_111> remember: i did not say easy ;-)
[11:51] <redfive> nice, thats how i like it