[01:18] <user1_> hi
[01:19] <user1_> how can download kubuntu lts 16.x? gui version   there seems no link on site
[01:57] <squinty> user1:  install kubuntu-desktop after installing one of the offered releases or wait for the kubuntu release itself
[03:08] <lotuspsychje> anyone talented in icon art, please help gnome software:
[03:08] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-needs-your-help-to-make-gnome-software-look-beautiful-in-ubuntu-16-04-501741.shtml
[03:20] <ChibaPet> What Gnome needs is some sanity. It doesn't need art, it needs a way to create launchers.
[03:21] <ChibaPet> I just burned way too much time trying to create a launcher for Minecraft on a family computer. It's insane.
[03:21] <lotuspsychje> ChibaPet: few weeks left for them to fix stuff :p
[03:22] <ChibaPet> lotuspsychje: This is an old design flaw. I'm not sure what the proper fix is, but it's certainly a bunch of new code that won't make it into any release in time.
[03:23] <ChibaPet> I'm just pondering this... I wasn't able to get the format right, evidently, despite my learning what the correct baroque path is for the .desktop file.
[03:23] <ChibaPet> A new person would be utterly unable to do this. I remember Gnome 2 making it relatively simple.
[03:23] <lotuspsychje> ChibaPet: yeah i messed around with those launcher icons in the past
[03:24] <lotuspsychje> thats true
[03:24] <lotuspsychje> but hey, more stuff in linux isnt real easy
[03:24] <ChibaPet> Gnome, though, is supposed to be a desktop for the masses.
[03:24] <lotuspsychje> im already glad ubuntu is user friendly
[03:25] <lotuspsychje> also true
[03:25] <ChibaPet> lotuspsychje: Do you know of a canonical (no pun intended) method for launching an arbitrary shell script or command-and-args from an icon?
[03:26] <lotuspsychje> ChibaPet: no sorry
[03:26] <ChibaPet> The command is simple: "java -jar ~/.minecraft/launcher.jar"
[03:27] <ChibaPet> Knowing that ought to be enough for me to get a launcher on that computer's activities bar.
[03:27] <lotuspsychje> i see
[03:28] <ChibaPet> So, *my* personal desktop environment uses dmenu. If I want minecraft, I hit meta-enter and type "minecraft" and, voila, I have launched Minecraft.
[03:28] <lotuspsychje> nice trick
[03:28] <ChibaPet> Gnome is supposed to make things easy, for a range of possibly non-technical users. Launch without typing, for example.
[03:29] <lotuspsychje> ChibaPet: but i read an article, unity can drag n drop icons to desktop now- fix-
[03:29] <ChibaPet> lotuspsychje: Yeah, moving them to Unity is certainly an option.
[03:30] <lotuspsychje> ChibaPet: lets see what gnome 16.04 will give us, alot of articles lately on gnome devs working all kinds of stuff
[03:30] <lotuspsychje> gnome gaming, nautilus,gnome software,etc
[03:31] <ChibaPet> We've got all the Gnome we'll have for launch. We're in a freeze for beta, aren't we?
[03:31] <lotuspsychje> yep
[03:32] <ChibaPet> Google for "add item to activities in ubuntu gnome 3" is a fun exercise.
[03:32] <lotuspsychje> im on unity, so ill skip :p
[03:33] <lotuspsychje> ChibaPet: check this out mate: http://news.softpedia.com/newsTag/GNOME%203.20
[03:34] <ChibaPet> Hm, are we moving to 3.20 for 16.04? We seem to be on 3.18 now.
[03:34] <lotuspsychje> alot of 3.20 versions came up
[03:35] <lotuspsychje> think final will get us nice surprises :p
[03:35] <ChibaPet> Hm, I was using gnome-shell as a sort of index.
[03:35] <ChibaPet> I hope not! We're in a beta period. :P
[03:35] <ChibaPet> Surprises are not something to spring on a userbase right before a new LTS launches.
[03:35] <ChibaPet> That's what interim versions are for.
[03:36] <lotuspsychje> yeah but that doesnt mean it wont need bugging out, and revision things
[03:38] <ChibaPet> The ony bump I'm hoping to see is for zfs, but I'm not actually impacted by any of the corner cases it addresses.
[03:38] <ChibaPet> the upgrade, I mean
[03:40] <lotuspsychje> !zfs
[03:42] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[03:45] <ChibaPet> Ooh, I hadn't seen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Reference/ZFS before. Really useful.
[03:45] <lotuspsychje> : )
[04:26] <Oderus> hey. was just curious what happened to muon package manager with latest update in kubuntu?
[04:40] <Oderus> now when i try to update it says i need to apt-get -f install. i tried that, it wants to uninstall kubuntu-full lol
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> Oderus: did you add ppa's of any kind?
[04:42] <Oderus> no but i did try to reinstall muon package manager but it wouldnt
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> weird, muon is optional..
[04:44] <Oderus> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15389945/
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> Oderus: show me your sources.list plz?
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> !sources
[04:46] <Oderus> what is the location of the file?
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> Oderus: /etc/apt
[04:50] <Oderus> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15389967/
[04:51] <lotuspsychje> Oderus: your on proposed?
[04:52] <Oderus> yes
[04:52] <Oderus> should i not be?
[04:52] <lotuspsychje> Oderus: things can breakage on proposed, did you upgrade from a previous ubuntu?
[04:53] <Oderus> yes at one time
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> Oderus: from wich version
[04:53] <Oderus> 15.04
[04:54] <lotuspsychje> Oderus: 15.04 is eol mate
[04:54] <lotuspsychje> Oderus: you had to move to 15.10 first right
[04:54] <Oderus> i must have, or maybe i was in 15.10 >.>
[04:54] <lotuspsychje> Oderus: i would recommend a clean install mate
[04:55] <Oderus> wahhhhh ok lol
[04:55] <lotuspsychje> Oderus: this is still development phase right
[04:55] <lotuspsychje> Oderus: things can still break
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> Oderus: uname -a please?
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[04:57] <Oderus> Linux AmigaBuntu 4.4.0-13-generic #29-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 11 19:31:18 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> Oderus: you could try disable proposed and sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[04:59] <lotuspsychje> Oderus: but cleanest way would be fresh install 16.04
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> Oderus: your sources.list also still shows 15.04 at top wich is end of life
[05:00] <Oderus> ah ok
[05:00] <Oderus> thank you
[05:02] <Oderus> ill re install tomorrow after i can back up
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> ok mate
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> Oderus: will be working like a charm
[07:05] <yacc_> lotuspsychje: lvm with LUKS based PVs.
[07:06] <lotuspsychje> !lvm
[07:10] <yacc_> lotuspsychje, my gripe is an old issue with scripts that create the initrd => at least in the past they did not consider the possibility that you need to unlock more than one LUKS container to activate the root fs.
[09:23] <daedric> Hi folks, I've upgraded to 16.04 to have a better support of my hardware (Dell xps 15" 2016), I've noticed some warning in the dmesg: http://pastebin.com/hRNGFKnN , are those problems already known ? (I've also some problems with i3 but it is probably a bug in i3 itself)
[09:26] <yacc_> daedric, if I remember EDID is the data block that displays send back to the controller so the controller knows the capabilities of the display.
[09:26] <yacc_> daedric, so the question is, are you experiencing any malfunction?
[09:27] <yacc_> daedric, apport should know how to report a kernel oops bug.
[09:31] <daedric> yacc_: yeah this is a bit what I'd understand however I should be using the nvidia card, not the intel one.
[09:32] <daedric> about malfunctions, when I start on i3 yes, the computer appear to freeze
[09:32] <daedric> I did not get any helpful log yet as a hard reboot is the only thing that works to get back the control of the machine
[11:29] <w0jtas> hello i have problem with netinstall , Kernel panic - unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(,0)
[11:33] <lordievader> Sounds like a missing driver. On what does the rootfs live?
[11:48] <bashrc> question: in 16.04 will old kernels be removed automatically? In the previous LTS that has been a problem.
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> bashrc: its the users choice wich kernel to run, not ubuntu
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> bashrc: older kernels will be removed only if you want it to
[11:51] <bashrc> the user typically has no idea what has gone wrong, and they only assume that they're "running out of space"
[11:52] <bashrc> so they won't be removed by default?
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> bashrc: no
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> bashrc: its hard to say whats 'old' and what not right
[11:53] <bashrc> version number?
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> bashrc: i mean some systems perform better on specific kernel numbers etc
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> so its a users choice
[11:54] <bashrc> again, the user doesn't necessarily know what the kernel is. This is supposed to be for human beings
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> bashrc: the user should be informed about his own system, its not ubuntu to do all things automated
[11:55] <bashrc> as it stands on 14.04 eventually there are too many kernels and the user gets a scary message
[11:55] <bashrc> which may lead them to take the wrong course of action
[11:56] <lotuspsychje> bashrc: the more usage of a system, the fuller it gets, nobody can change that mate
[11:56] <lotuspsychje> bashrc: the user is responsible for cleaning out
[11:56] <lotuspsychje> bashrc: how can ubuntu know, what to remove??
[11:57] <bashrc> the only other option for the typical user is to disable upgrades, but I think that's also dangerous
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> bashrc: of course, always keep things up to date :p
[11:58] <bashrc> really kernel versions should be managed automatically by default. If you are an expert then you could specify which versions you want to keep
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> bashrc: there is #ubuntu-devel maybe you can suggest it
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> bashrc: but im affraid your gonna get a likewise anwser
[11:59] <w0jtas> anyone could tell why ubuntu 16.04 would fail to install ? end Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0), i am trying Virtualbox, also 15.10 is installing just fine.
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> bashrc: what is 'old' for somle users might be good working for others
[11:59] <bashrc> ok. It just seems strange that the system is designed to fail by default for a long term deployment
[12:00] <lotuspsychje> bashrc: what you mean fail?
[12:00] <bashrc> scary "you are out of space" message
[12:00] <bashrc> which keeps coming up
[12:00] <lotuspsychje> bashrc: meaning your system needs cleaning, great from ubuntu they message the user
[12:02] <bashrc> if such a message is to appear there should be a clickable option to fix it. If not then this is fairly unhelpful to someone who is not an expert
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> bashrc: i agree on that one, a GUI for it would be nice...i use bleachbit
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> bashrc: but on low-space on hd ubuntu also gives a warning
[12:04] <bashrc> ok, well at least I know that this will remain an issue for any of the non-tech folks I put onto ubuntu, unless I fix it myself
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> bashrc: try bleachbit
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> !info bleachbit | bashrc
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> bashrc: convince your users to keep their system clean themselfs
[12:06] <bashrc> but this isn't general disk space, it's the reserved space for kernels
[12:07] <lotuspsychje> bashrc: bleachbit cleans up older kernels aswell
[12:07] <lotuspsychje> GUI
[12:07] <bashrc> ok that's good
[12:07] <lotuspsychje> or via terminal
[12:10] <w0jtas> who is here responsible for maintaining ubuntu ? i really want to fix this netinstall :(
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> !bug | w0jtas
[12:14] <w0jtas> ok thanks will paste
[12:14] <w0jtas> but i have osx so how i can paste from website ?
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> paste what?
[12:21] <w0jtas> error that i have
[12:22] <w0jtas> when i downloaded linux + initrd from a previous version it goes fine with only error about missing modules as archive kernel differs, but install goes through
[12:24] <w0jtas> eh… no packages for older netinstall :/
[12:41] <w0jtas> ok got it , archive.ubuntu.com netinstall kernel is broken
[13:22] <ngaio> sometimes I'm updating the daily build ISO of 16.04, using zsync. I'm also running 16.04 as my core OS. When I do update the ISO, is it possible to use that as an "install source" in "software and updates" sources, and therefore avoid having to download hundreds of MB of updates using apt-get dist-upgrade?
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> ngaio: if you use cd-rom as sources, and the day after new package gets an update, youl have to keep up date tru internet right? or do i misunderstand your question?
[13:57] <xnox> ngaio, no, because out desktop .iso do not ship .debs
[13:58] <xnox> ngaio, they ship unpacked & installed squashfs with desktop pre-installed, which is copied onto the installed system.
[13:58] <xnox> ditto e.g. server.iso
[14:16] <dobie_gillis> hey, i'm running into a problem initializing a virtualenv with python 3 in ubuntu 16.04. it tells me to install the python3-venv package, but it's already installed, and i've tried reinstalling. anyone else seeing this problem?
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> dobie_gillis: fresh install or upgrade?
[14:19] <Pici> Hes also badgering our vendor contact with inane questions.
[14:19] <dobie_gillis> upgrade (from 15.10) :/
[14:19] <Pici> er, oops.
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> :p
[14:20] <Pici> not anyone here, sorry, my coworker.
[14:20] <lotuspsychje> dobie_gillis: its recommended to install 16.04 fresh to test/help bug out
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> dobie_gillis: things can break in this stage
[14:22] <dobie_gillis> yea.. i realize that. it's not a big deal. just wondering if someone had a quick workaround. i will install a clean install at some point.. i just upgraded my work machine cause i was looking forward to the new release. other than this problem, everything's working perfectly!
[14:22] <genii> !info python3-venv xenial
[14:23] <genii> !info python3.5-venv xenial
[14:23] <genii> Hm
[14:23] <lotuspsychje> dobie_gillis: did you have ppa's installed on your 15.10?
[14:26] <dobie_gillis> yes, unfortunately :/ a few were disabled by the upgrader. i probable have a messy system. http://dpaste.com/2QDBFGH
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> dobie_gillis: this is why i would suggest you install clean mate
[14:27] <dobie_gillis> i see
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> dobie_gillis: very hard for the devs to bug out properly on messy upgrades
[14:28] <dobie_gillis> yea
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: see the topic for the daily image iso
[14:41] <nelsk> lotuspsychje: cheers. Are there any more stable snapshots atm or are daily builds the way to go?
[14:41] <nelsk> Also, is there a recommended upgrade path from beta to a full release image or am I on my own for that?
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: well xenial is still in developing stage right now, so keep in mind that things can still break
[14:42] <nelsk> Yeah, I'm not expecting stability recognizing I'm running pre-release software
[14:42] <nelsk> well, at least I won't be surprised if something breaks :D
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: ok good, so if you grab the latest iso, and update after install your good to go :p
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> !final | nelsk
[14:43] <Pici> nelsk: also that wiki page is a work-in-progress page, only when 16.04 is actually released will it be relevant.
[14:43] <nelsk> Pici: Figured it wasn't complete yet
[14:44] <nelsk> One last q, I'd like to make sure I'm a good beta citizen -- can you guys point me to your bug reporting page for this release?
[14:45] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: if you use ubuntu-bug your bug will come to the right section
[14:45] <lotuspsychje> !bug
[14:45] <nelsk> great! tyvm.
[14:45] <nelsk> Looking forward to the release!
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: but before you start bugging, feel free to ask here first
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: yeah we all do :p
[14:46] <nelsk> will do, don't want to clutter up the tracker with possible dupes
[14:47] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: great, and tnx for help testing
[14:52] <bp_> hi guys, do you know what's currently up with the Xenial repos? I'm getting a lot of 'Writing more data than expected's
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> bp_: fresh install or upgrade?
[14:54] <bp_> upgrade. Was having trouble with Chrome/Xorg
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> bp_: from wich version
[14:54] <bp_> 15.10
[14:54] <bp_> I upgraded a couple days ago, the weirdness started today
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> bp_: its not really recommended to upgrade yet mate, clean install instead
[14:54] <bp_> eh, beats having Chrome randomly lock up your computer
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> bp_: is it chrome repo giving you issues?
[14:55] <bp_> (also this isn't my first early upgrade)
[14:55] <bp_> no, these are the main xenial repos
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> bp_: 16.04 is still in development stage right now, so things can still break
[14:56] <bp_> example, http://paste.ubuntu.com/15392153/
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> bp_: so recommended to test clean
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> bp_: grab a daily iso, install fresh and check if you have same repo issues
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> bp_: we asked earlier today in #ubuntu-mirrors and now known issues for xenial
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> no
[14:58] <bp_> oh, so someone DID ask you to check in #ubuntu-mirrors
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> bp_: no, was another kind of issue that got solved
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> but also related to sources
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> bp_: behind a firewall or router?
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> bp_: feel free to ask current status in #ubuntu-mirrors, but my guess its your upgrade issue
[15:00] <bp_> I am having no upgrade issues, the issues did not start as a result of my upgrade.
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> bp_: you cant tell if its not related, ans your not on a clean install
[15:03] <nelsk> xenial will ship with xorg and mir variants, correct?
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: unity7 by default
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: and you can choose to install unity8 also
[15:04] <bp_> lotuspsychje: while I appreciate your concern I hope you do realize that you have told me almost nothing I didn't already know :)
[15:04] <nelsk> lotuspsychje: cool, that's at install time?
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> bp_: ok, but we still have your issue unsolved...
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: ive tested unity8 already on xenial
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: looks like an early phone version of ubuntu-touch
[15:05] <nelsk> is moving the dock a unity8 only feature?
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: didnt hear official things about that yet sorry, alot of articles talking about launcher moving to bottom
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: lets wait until final to know
[15:07] <nelsk> UI freeze is very close, no?
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: check schedule in topic mate
[15:08] <nelsk> ah it was last week, shouldn't that be settled?
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: settle what?
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> bp_: talk to the #ubuntu-mirrors guys, if nothings wrong with repos, its your end right
[15:11] <nelsk> Configurable dock location. Given the UI freeze, we should know where that's available and how it's going to work.
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: well lets wait whats gonna happen right
[15:13] <bp_> lotuspsychje: I am currently trying refreshing sources after manually downloading and installing today's version of apt-transport-https
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: today an article about gnome-software they still need the community for icons
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: so alot can still change
[15:17] <nelsk> heh, okay cool, i'll be patient. thanks for your responses :)
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> no sweat
[15:18] <nelsk> I don't particularly care about the dock, but apparently it's earthshattering if it's not on the bottom for the people I support. go figure.
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: wich ppl you support?
[15:25] <nelsk> a few friends and family -- not a business setting
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: nice you help spreading ubuntu, choosing LTS releases for them?
[15:26] <nelsk> That's the hope. There are a lot of things I liked about the 15.04 release so I'm excited to see the next LTS and to see that base trickle into derivative distros.
[15:26] <nelsk> ...despite working for red hat myself *gasp*
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> we all in there togheter on linux :p
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: what kind of interesting packages you install on your relatives ubuntu boxes?
[15:34] <nelsk> lotuspsychje: nothing too interesting. chrome, spotify, planning on trying to get krita to run as a photoshop replacement
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> nelsk: yeah saw that1 on softpedia, is it lighter then gimp?
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> !info krita xenial
[18:04] <Ian_Corne> hmm, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bcmwl/+bug/1556465
[18:04] <Ian_Corne> should I also asign it to network-manager, to get some visual?
[19:01] <ngaio> xnox, thanks for the info regarding the ISO and the lack of debs. I didn't know that!
[20:39] <Urungus> hi. having trouble updating, my output is here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15395875/
[20:41] <k1l> Urungus: use "sudo apt full-upgrade"
[20:42] <Urungus> k1l: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15395940/
[20:43] <k1l> then run what the error says
[20:43] <Urungus> if i do, it tries to remove kubuntu-full
[20:43] <k1l> then file a bug for that package
[20:44] <Urungus> ok
[22:22] <nelsk> Is it possible to access a display scaling factor during install? Text was *very* small on my new 4k
[23:25] <ChibaPet> nelsk: If you install with the desktop media you can do all kinds of stuff.
[23:26] <ChibaPet> Server install media, prepare to squint a bit.
[23:59] <jushur> nelsk: setfont and chose a large one?


[07:25]  * DevanshPatel slaps DevanshPatel around a bit with a large fishbot
[10:35] <mgedmin> hey
[10:35] <mgedmin> gnome recently stopped remembering my monitor positions
[10:35] <mgedmin> (I prefer to keep bottom edges aligned)
[12:33] <bgardner> mgedmin, Yeah, I had the same issue.  I fixed this by placing a call to xrandr in my session startup.  It repositions my monitors right as I login.
[12:34] <bgardner> mgedmin, My call is: '/usr/bin/xrandr --output LVDS1 --pos 0x0 --output VGA1 --pos 1920x0'
[14:05] <mdolezel> Do you know about openqa? http://openqa.opensuse.org/. I am playing with it and writing some installer tests for ubuntu.
[14:05] <mdolezel> ubuntu gnome to be precise
[17:43] <pauliunas> hi, i have a problem with ubuntu gnome 15.10. i have a tablet, and i want to get emulated right-click working on it, that is when i hold my finger on the screen, it should trigger the right-click functionality of whatever app i'm in. i have enabled this in universal access settings, but it just doesn't work.
[17:47] <adueppen> pauliunas: It might be that it isn't reading the finger as pressing the primary mouse button.
[17:48] <pauliunas> well, the primary function works perfectly
[17:49] <pauliunas> for the record, i'm running a live USB with the default settings
[17:50] <pauliunas> i know gnome has all those multitouch gestures and is optimized for touch... long-click does work on the desktop background... but it doesn't in any other apps. isn't this weird since gnome is so much optimized for touch?
[17:50] <adueppen> hmm not sure
[17:51] <pauliunas> and also, i couldn't find any gnome-specific settings...
[17:52] <pauliunas> i think your suggestion could be the cause, due to all those gestures, maybe gnome has some additional layer for understanding touch, which interferes with the ubuntu's long-click option...
[17:56] <pauliunas> damn, this situation sucks XD i'm fed up with Virus10 (hehe..) eating up 2GB RAM and 70% CPU on idle, constantly crashing start menu, or crashing the whole system... so i decided to move to linux, but since it's a tablet, i still get problems with even the best optimized distro for tablets...
[17:58] <adueppen> pauliunas: what tablet is it?
[17:59] <pauliunas> Acer Iconia Tab W700
[17:59] <pauliunas> i guess you've never heard of it... it's one of the very first windows 8 tablets, came out before MS surface pro
[18:00] <pauliunas> it has a 1.4GHz 2nd gen intel i3 CPU, don't remember the exact model... and 4GB RAM
[18:00] <adueppen> pauliunas: it might not have proper support yet
[18:00] <pauliunas> fffs
[18:00] <pauliunas> it's like a generic tablet
[18:00] <pauliunas> i mean it's x86 and all the drivers work well
[18:01] <adueppen> pauliunas: as in the touchscreen might not have proper support yet
[18:02] <pauliunas> well, it works...
[18:02] <pauliunas> isn't it the same as saying that your mouse or keyboard doesn't have support?
[18:03] <pauliunas> the touchscreen is not something very specific, just about every windows tablet has the same type of touchscreen
[18:04] <pauliunas> so, if my tablet is "not supported", what are my options?
[18:04] <pauliunas> are there any workarounds?
[18:19] <adueppen> pauliunas: not sure, you'd have to ask someone else since I'm not that experienced


[00:57] <ahoneybun> valorie: seems like Riddell has something going on for kdeplasma-addons
[00:58] <ahoneybun> last edit was 3 days ago
[03:38] <ScottK> valorie: Even if we don't have the metapackage like Debian, Kubuntu does have all the addons packaged:  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeplasma-addons/4:5.3.95-0ubuntu1
[03:38] <ScottK> See the descriptions of the various binary packages to see which has what you're after.
[03:55] <valorie> ScottK: that's in proposed however
[03:56] <valorie> which is cool, but not available
[03:56] <valorie> and this box is still on vivid
[03:56] <ScottK> valorie: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeplasma-addons/4:5.3.2-2
[03:57] <ScottK> Here's vivid https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeplasma-addons/4:5.2.2-0ubuntu3
[03:57] <valorie> cool
[03:57] <valorie> here's hoping that they will be backported to vivid
[03:57] <valorie> or perhaps I should upgrade this box too
[03:58] <valorie> little travel netbook was excellent in wily at Akademy
[03:58] <ScottK> Dunno.  I've been upgrading to Debian recently.
[03:58] <valorie> how are you finding that experience?
[03:59] <valorie> Son is on Debian now as well
[04:05] <ScottK> Reasonable.
[04:05] <ScottK> Not as polished as Kubuntu, but for me it's fine.
[04:06] <ScottK> Fewer politics is nice.
[04:06] <valorie> right, I hope basically withdrawing from Ubuntu politics will work for us
[04:07] <valorie> the rest of the flavors seem to survive without attacks
[07:03] <soee> someon with Wily and muon ?
[07:30] <valorie> which muon?
[07:30] <valorie> I have wily, just update/upgraded
[07:30] <pursuivant> muon (master) v5.3.95-21-g91a450b * Harald Sitter: libmuon/backends/ApplicationBackend/ReviewsBackend.cpp
[07:30] <pursuivant> fix application backend build
[07:31] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/91a450b76f4b456c170a6dc7f60fac5408ca7ea1
[07:46] <soee> muon package manager
[07:46] <soee> valorie: ^
[07:48] <sitter> Riddell: kldap needs a new upload which will fix the kdepimlibs build
[07:54] <valorie> soee: I'll check in a mo'
[07:56] <valorie> I finally got listadmin to work on all the servers where I admin lists
[07:56] <valorie> sheesh
[07:59] <valorie> ...and saved on dropbox where I can access it from any computer
[08:01] <valorie> soee: I do now
[08:01] <valorie> what can I test for you?
[08:01] <snele> file search in dolphin doesn't work if file search (baloo) is disabled
[08:01] <snele> i found this bug report https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=339866
[08:02] <snele> it says something is probably wrong with packaging
[08:02] <snele> this happans on wily
[08:05] <soee> valorie: in menu there is a option to exit sources list, but it seems like it just refresh packages list not opening settings
[08:06] <valorie> ok, while I was waiting I used it to update/upgrade
[08:06] <valorie> it will finish in a min
[08:07] <valorie> no idea why it found so much to upgrade when apt alone didn't.....
[08:08] <valorie> but perhaps a whole slew of stuff just hit in the past couple of hourse
[08:08] <valorie> hours
[08:09] <soee> valorie: yesh Frameworks 5.13 for example
[08:09] <soee> so a lot of updates
[08:16] <valorie> excellent
[08:31] <valorie> soee, can you be more specific>
[08:31] <valorie> ?
[08:31] <valorie> where in the menu
[08:32] <valorie> seems more powerful than I remember
[08:33] <soee> valorie: in menu click Settings -> Configure Software Sources
[08:34] <sitter> mh didn't Riddell say something about not being here today -.-
[08:34] <valorie> yes, for me it just refreshed
[08:35] <valorie> no configuration was actually offered
[08:35] <soee> ah so its some bug :/
[08:35] <valorie> but now I get the new kdeconnect!
[08:36] <valorie> yes, I'll confirm the bug report
[08:36]  * sitter wonders why the notes say gpgmepp needs a gcc5 transition
[08:36] <valorie> did you file one, soee?
[08:36] <yofel> last I remember is that the configure software sources button was an external kdesudo software-properties-kde call
[08:37] <yofel> so that's either broken or not ported to pkexec or that's broken
[08:37] <sitter> gcc5 transition...
[08:37] <soee> valorie: nope
[08:38] <yofel> sitter: because the symbolfile had c++11 symbols in it, Riddell concluded that it wasn't needed
[08:38] <valorie> soee: now I need to go to bed, though
[08:38] <valorie> if you file a bug, I'll confirm
[08:38] <sitter> yofel: just patch it?
[08:38] <valorie> just leave the link here and I'll do it later
[08:38] <sitter> its a new lib
[08:38] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:38] <sitter> the symbols file inside is a stub
[08:38] <yofel> sitter: right, which is what they did IIRC
[08:38]  * sitter checks
[08:38] <yofel> me and rohan just didn't know that
[08:39] <yofel> (the file being a stub)
[08:39] <sitter> prolly should have mentioned that xD
[08:39] <sitter> no fix in sight apparently
[09:29] <Riddell> sitter: right I'm leaving in half an hour
[09:35] <Riddell> sitter: kldap up!
[09:37] <sitter> Riddell: all the pim stuff will need new uploads more or less
[09:37] <sitter> I just fixed up all -dev dependencies according to what their cmake files look for
[09:38] <sitter> in particular stuff between kdepimlibs and kdepim fails on second level dependencies of the base libs
[09:39] <sitter> kmime, kholidays, kpimtextedit, kblog, kcontacts, ktnef, kdepimlibs, akonadi-calendar, kcalutils
[09:39] <sitter> or that's what triggered on jenkins anyway xD
[09:45] <sitter> doing a last test build then kdepim should be done (build deps possibly not quite in order, but meh)
[09:54] <Riddell> sitter: kmime, kholidays, kpimtextedit, kblog, kcontacts, ktnef, kdepimlibs, akonadi-calendar, kcalutil  uploaded!
[09:54] <sitter> cheers
[09:54] <Riddell> sitter: have I mentioned you're my hero?
[09:54] <sitter> :*
[10:05] <sitter> Riddell: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/wily_stable_konsole/lastFailedBuild/consoleFull didn't you fix konsole?
[10:10] <sitter> uhm
[10:10] <sitter> Riddell: please check your dolphin repo
[10:10] <sitter> the dolphin that is on git.debian is not actually ported
[10:42] <clivejo> so where are we up to with Applications 15.07.90?
[10:54] <clivejo> is okular kf5 yet?
[10:54] <ScottK> No.
[10:54] <clivejo> sitter Riddell: ping
[10:57] <sitter> clivejo: same as yesterday I am busy trying to get CI to bulding though
[10:58] <clivejo> sitter: if there are multiple install files we need to have the following in rules?
[10:58] <clivejo> override_dh_auto_install:
[10:58] <clivejo>         $(overridden_command) --destdir=debian/tmp
[10:58] <sitter> ScottK: oh hey, btw, pykde4 uses kdepim-dev apparently but kdepim4 is going away now, so I suppose we'll have to rebuild pykde4?
[10:58] <sitter> clivejo: no, it is figured out autiomatically
[10:58] <ScottK> Sounds like.  I haven't looked at it.
[10:58] <sitter> if there are more than one package the files automatically get installed to debian/tmp
[10:59] <sitter> if there is only one package the files get installed to debian/packagename directly (thus removing teh need to have an install file to begin with)
[11:00] <clivejo> sitter: if I use uscan to download the files, will git only care about what happens inside the debian folder?
[11:01] <sitter> clivejo: yes. git only ever cares about what you tell it to care about (i.e. files that you don't git add won't matter neither will changes you don't stage for commit in files that were added)
[11:06] <clivejo> sitter: CMake Error at /usr/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindKDE4Internal.cmake:1316 (message):
[11:06] <clivejo>   Unable to compile a basic Qt application.  Qt has not been found correctly.
[11:07] <sitter> clivejo: context?
[11:08] <clivejo> okular building locally
[11:08] <sitter> export QT_SELECT=4
[11:08] <sitter> your build environment picks up qt5 apparently
[11:08] <clivejo> just in konsole?
[11:08] <sitter> yah
[11:09] <clivejo> will that break my ability to complie qt5?
[11:10] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:11] <sitter> clivejo: no, will revert on next login. or you can simply export with 5
[11:11] <clivejo> sitter: not working
[11:12] <sitter> clivejo: how are you trying to build okular?
[11:14] <sitter> doko: did xapian not get a rebuild or something? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/214469237/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-amd64.akonadi-search_4%3A15.07.90%2Bgit20150814.1107%2B15.10-0_BUILDING.txt.gz
[11:16] <clivejo> sitter: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12078603/
[11:16] <doko> sitter, it should, at least in the distro: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/akonadi/1.13.0-2ubuntu5
[11:17] <sitter> grml
[11:18] <sitter> clivejo: you can temporarily add that export to debian/rules
[11:18] <sitter> that should make it work definitely
[11:18] <sitter> just don't forget to remove it again before committing
[11:18] <doko> sitter, you don't have wily-proposed enabled
[11:18] <doko> in this ppa
[11:20] <sitter> doko: that's intentional
[11:21] <doko> sitter, but won't work then, that's intentional too =)
[11:21] <sitter> what's the point of proposed if the release pocket breaks anyway :P
[11:21] <doko> well, we don't change the soname of libc, but it's nearly as bad as this ...
[11:22] <sitter> ah yes, libxapian22v5 is stuck in proposed
[11:22] <sitter> poor thing
[11:22] <doko> so please be patient. I think at this point it's really better to test in a ppa with proposed enabled. you could create another one
[11:24] <sitter> doko: wouldn't it be more useful if we instead spent time getting stuff out of proposed?
[11:24] <doko> sitter, sure: see http://pad.ubuntu.com/gcc-5-transition
[11:25] <doko> sitter, that's what I'm doing all the time this week, fixing kde ftbfs and autopkg tests
[11:31] <clivejo> libokularcore6 is complaining about symbols
[11:43] <clivejo> can someone look at okular, I cant figure out what is wrong with it
[11:44] <yofel> where's the status page again?
[11:45] <yofel> oh, linked on the pad, nvm
[11:45] <yofel> clivejo: huh, okular looks green though?
[11:46]  * clivejo face palms
[11:47] <clivejo> Ive got okteta and okular missed up!
[11:48] <clivejo> stupid dyslexic brain
[11:49] <sitter> ah yes and we are left without a dolphin port
[11:49] <sitter> but notes say jon made one
[11:52] <yofel> sitter: can't you take what's in the PPA?
[11:53] <yofel> the build logs say that the package looks for KF5
[11:53] <yofel> doesn't actually build though
[12:05] <clivejo> sitter: if I dont want the changes in the changefile in my patch, do I just ommit that file whilst staging?
[12:11] <sitter> yofel: because it is not ported
[12:12] <sitter> cmake looking for kf5 has nothing to do with the packaging actually providing it
[12:12] <sitter> clivejo: yep
[12:12] <yofel> aah
[12:31] <clivejo> is License: GPL-2 or GPL-3 or GPL-KDEeV the same as License: GPL-2?
[12:32] <sitter> no
[12:32] <sitter> also note that "GPL-2 or GPL-3 or GPL-KDEeV" is likely not what was meant there
[12:32] <clivejo> why is lintian comlaining then!
[12:32] <sitter> clivejo: because it wants a block for GPL-2
[12:33] <sitter> but there is no block for GPL-2 because there is nothing licensed GPL-2
[12:33] <sitter> there's probably only something licensed GPL-KDEeV
[12:34] <sitter> clivejo: replace that or thing with only "GPL-KDEeV"
[12:34] <sitter> not knowing which package you are working on I am still reasonable certain that this is what the copyrigh tshould say :P
[12:40] <clivejo> sitter: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12079015/ complaining about line 129
[12:40] <clivejo> well the paragraph at 129
[12:40] <clivejo> W: okteta source: dep5-copyright-license-name-not-unique (paragraph at line 129)
[12:41] <sitter> clivejo: line 47 is GPL-KDEeV
[12:41] <sitter> not that or thing
[12:41] <sitter> that's why lintian then trips over line 129
[12:42] <clivejo> so just put GPL-KDEeV?
[12:45] <clivejo> grrr still complaining
[12:47] <sitter> clivejo: yes
[12:48] <clivejo> LGPL-2.1-KDEeV
[12:48] <clivejo> whats that?
[12:51] <rdieter> I suspect that's a reference to the "or later versions as approved by the membersihp of KDE e.V" clause on https://techbase.kde.org/Policies/Licensing_Policy
[12:52] <clivejo> I dunno how to fix this
[12:52] <sitter> what's the error
[12:52] <clivejo> W: okteta source: dep5-copyright-license-name-not-unique (paragraph at line 129)
[12:53] <sitter> clivejo: it's defined twice
[12:53] <clivejo> where?
[12:53] <sitter> still okteta?
[12:54] <clivejo> yup
[12:54] <sitter> good question
[12:54] <clivejo> I changed line 47 but its still complaining
[12:54] <sitter> clivejo: can you paste the entire lintian output please
[12:55] <clivejo> Now running lintian...
[12:55] <clivejo> W: okteta source: dep5-copyright-license-name-not-unique (paragraph at line 129)
[12:55] <clivejo> W: okteta: binary-without-manpage usr/bin/okteta
[12:55] <clivejo> W: okteta: binary-without-manpage usr/bin/struct2osd
[12:55] <clivejo> Finished running lintian.
[12:56] <sitter> clivejo: please paste your copyright file
[12:57] <clivejo> sitter: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12079084/
[12:57] <clivejo> I changed line 47 as above
[12:58] <sitter> clivejo: are you sure that is the copyright lintian is running on?
[12:58] <clivejo> are there other copyright files?
[12:59] <sitter> no but there are possibly different versions of the source?
[13:00] <clivejo> git versions?
[13:00] <sitter> clivejo: how do you call lintian
[13:00] <clivejo> debuild calls it
[13:00] <sitter> clivejo: how do you call debuild?
[13:00] <sitter> where do you call build?
[13:01] <sitter> *debuild
[13:01] <clivejo> debuild -j4 or debuild -nc
[13:01] <sitter> have you tried staging your changes?
[13:01] <clivejo> nope
[13:04] <sitter> try that
[13:04] <sitter> also paste your entire debuild output
[13:11] <clivejo> sitter: can you apply this patch - http://paste.ubuntu.com/12079151/
[13:11] <clivejo> okteta
[13:12] <clivejo> I need to learn more about the copyright file to fix it
[13:13] <clivejo> and I have other stuff to do at the minute
[13:13] <sitter> clivejo: that watch file change is no good it removes unstable
[13:13] <sitter> also those should be 3 commits
[13:14] <clivejo> it was wrong
[13:14] <clivejo> the original line
[13:14] <sitter> ah true
[13:14] <sitter> me daft
[13:14] <sitter> clivejo: I still need that install change in a differnet commit though
[13:15] <sitter> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/okteta.git/commit/?h=kubuntu_stable&id=a3a2608b470048edb77afb697101a86a9e97e69b
[13:15] <sitter> your install fix only applies to 15.7.90, so it needs reverting in kubuntu_stable
[13:15] <clivejo> I dont understand
[13:15] <sitter> 15.07.90 uses +usr/share/oktetapart/oktetapartbrowserui.rc
[13:16] <sitter> 15.08.0 will use -usr/share/kxmlgui5/oktetapart/oktetapartbrowserui.rc
[13:16] <sitter> so we need to fix it in kubuntu_wily_archive
[13:16] <sitter> then merge it into kubuntu_stable and revert the install change again, because it makes no sense for the stable CI
[13:16] <sitter> as per your own fix I linked to
[13:18] <clivejo> how do I revert the commit in git gui?
[13:18] <clivejo> or do I have to do it on terminal?
[13:18] <sitter> clivejo: you don't need to revert it, simply amend and unstage the install change ;)
[13:18] <sitter> and edit the commit message
[13:18] <sitter> then commit
[13:18] <sitter> then you can stage the install change independently in a second commit
[13:19] <clivejo> but I have alreadly commited the changes
[13:19] <sitter> clivejo: I haven't pushed it though, so you can still amend it
[13:19] <sitter> simply tick the amend box
[13:19] <clivejo> I mean in my local git
[13:19] <sitter> and select the install file in the left bottom list
[13:19] <sitter> then go to edit -> unstage
[13:19] <clivejo> I need to revert my local commit?
[13:19] <clivejo> git reset HEAD~  ?
[13:19] <sitter> no
[13:20] <sitter> you are not listening
[13:20] <sitter> open git gui
[13:20] <sitter> and tick the amend box
[13:20] <clivejo> ah ok
[13:20] <sitter> http://i.imgur.com/hZ0QrBV.jpg
[13:21] <sitter> tick amend -> select install file in list -> go to commit -> unstage from commit
[13:21] <sitter> this will take the file out of the commit object
[13:21] <sitter> then update your commit message and commit the amendment
[13:22] <clivejo> ok http://paste.ubuntu.com/12079225/
[13:22] <clivejo> thats minus the install file changes?
[13:22] <sitter> looks good
[13:22] <sitter> now you can make a second commit with the install file changes
[13:24] <clivejo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12079233/
[13:24] <clivejo> I dont understand why the paths have changed between the stable and unstable versions
[13:25] <clivejo> but Ill take your word for it
[13:25] <sitter> clivejo: that's not what happend
[13:25] <sitter> kubuntu_stable is not a version
[13:25] <sitter> it is a moving target
[13:26] <sitter> tracking this upstream branch http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=okteta.git&a=shortlog&h=1194c7904b33e1b6540f3f89c92d19e34960aefe
[13:26] <sitter> and this is why the path in kubuntu_stable needs to be different http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=okteta.git&a=commit&h=d88c536ad16f475958bd1b94a39dadad795b9bd0
[13:26] <clivejo> sitter: but Im working from kubuntu_wily_archive?
[13:26] <sitter> that commit happened 4 days after the tagging fo 15.07.90 though http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=okteta.git&a=tag&t=v15.07.90
[13:27] <sitter> clivejo: kubuntu_wily_archive gets automatically merged in the CI branches
[13:27] <sitter> https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/CI#Merges
[13:27] <clivejo> trying to make it orange or green here - http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/applications/build_status_15.07.90_wily.html
[13:27] <sitter> rationale being that 99% of the fixes one does in the _archive branch apply to the CI branches
[13:28] <clivejo> sitter: can you re-run that build for applications 15.07.90?
[13:29] <sitter> busy doing other things
[13:29] <clivejo> ok, no problem, Ill go do my other jobs
[13:29] <clivejo> thanks for your help, again!
[13:32] <sitter> doko: kgraphviewer is not part of kde applications, can I simply upload it to get rid fo the boost1.55 hard-dep?
[13:35] <doko> sitter, sure, just make sure that it builds with -proposed enabled ;)
[13:37] <sitter> aye
[13:47] <snele> something happend to muon on wily
[13:48] <snele> configure software sources trigers "check for updates"
[13:48] <snele> in muon, updater
[13:48] <BluesKaj> snele:  muon seems fine here
[13:48] <snele> in discover "configure sources" doesnt work
[13:49] <BluesKaj> snele:  are your packages up to date?
[13:49] <snele> BluesKaj: can you check Settings>Configure software sources
[13:49] <snele> BluesKaj: yea i am installing updates few times a day
[13:49] <snele> it was working few days ago
[13:51] <BluesKaj> I use muon mostly as a reference, otherwise I use the terminal to update and upgrade/install packages
[13:52] <snele> BluesKaj: well it seems that i cannot edit software sources via muon atm. very wierd
[13:52] <BluesKaj> snele:  I edit the sources.list
[13:54] <snele> BluesKaj: I like gui method for sources :)
[14:01] <BluesKaj> snele:  well considering that muon is acting up, then the sources.list is your best alternative IMO
[14:02] <BluesKaj> muon discover doesn't do much for me
[14:12] <sitter> going to head out soon
[14:17] <sitter> yofel, shadeslayer: if one of you fancies doing some uploads to the apps stage ... all the pim packages can probably be uploaded as like half of them had build fixes for CI (a list of them is now avaialble at the bottom of the notes) also okteta
[14:17] <sitter> not sure I'll get to do anything tomorrow as I think I am not home, but let's see
[14:17] <shadeslayer> sitter: tomorrow's Saturday?
[14:17] <sitter> yes
[14:18] <shadeslayer> uh ok
[14:18] <sitter> we are well behind schedule because no one packaged crap
[14:18] <shadeslayer> I can't upload because I have other stuff to do :/
[14:18] <sitter> oh and if someone wants to... 15.08.0 candidates are available for packagers, so merging stable and initial uploading that might be a feasable thing to do since I almost have everything at least to warning stage in CI
[14:21] <sitter> doko: kdepim pushed to next week I fear, there's only two packages missing to be sucessfully staged though and at least one rebuild (pykde4 needs to loose pim api) needs to be figured out still
[14:21] <sitter> doko: kgraphviewer OTOH built nicely and should be good for migration out of proposed https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kgraphviewer/4:2.1.90-0ubuntu2
[14:21] <doko> sitter, not urgent, because we fixed the kdepim in the archive
[14:22] <sitter> I see kdepim-runtime is on the list of boost1.55 blockers though
[14:22] <sitter> might likely need the seme ifdef treatment
[14:25] <doko> argh, depends on kolab
[17:40] <clivejo> Riddell shadeslayer : could someone push the following patches please http://paste.ubuntu.com/12079225/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/12079233/ for okteta and rebuild
[17:43] <clivejo> libkface seems to be symbols problem can I fix those or does it need transition?
[19:02] <soee_> https://plus.google.com/+AaronDennis/posts/dkhKjYCNtaB :)
[23:58] <ahoneybun> valorie: I'm not sure he understands IRC
[23:59] <valorie> ?
[23:59] <valorie> context?


[01:22] <h00k> tonyyarusso: are you around?
[02:20] <tonyyarusso> h00k: am now
[02:21] <h00k> tonyyarusso: cools. Mebbe I can beg you for that newer deb...
[02:24] <tonyyarusso> Coming right up
[02:24] <tonyyarusso> The version is 3.1.3 btw
[02:25] <h00k> Yay! Did they go bankrupt?
[02:26] <tonyyarusso> yeah
[02:27] <h00k> bah.
[03:06] <tonyyarusso> h00k: how's DCC suit you?
[03:06] <h00k> tonyyarusso: that'll work, DCC, Dropbox,whatev
[03:09] <h00k> tonyyarusso: I love you.
[03:13] <tonyyarusso> :)
[03:34] <h00k> tonyyarusso: you don't happen to have the x86_64 packages, do you?
[03:34] <h00k> tonyyarusso: http://ftp.tuxdroid-community.net/tuxbox/ !
[03:35] <tonyyarusso> I don't think 64-bit exists?
[03:35] <h00k> :/
[03:35] <tonyyarusso> oh hey
[03:35] <tonyyarusso> nice find
[03:35] <h00k> it does in French!
[03:36] <tonyyarusso> um, http://ftp.tuxdroid-community.net/tuxbox/tuxbox-USEnglish-TTS-3.1.4-amd64.tar.gz h00k
[03:36] <h00k> Yep, I see that
[03:36] <h00k> trying it
[03:36] <h00k> downloadin'
[04:13] <h00k> tonyyarusso: I'm disappointed the whole thing seems to have died
[04:14] <h00k> tonyyarusso: gmail authentication is broken, twitter authentication is broken,
[04:14] <tonyyarusso> Twitter doesn't surprise me - OAuth.
[04:14] <h00k> Yeah...
[04:14] <tonyyarusso> GMail is a little odd.
[04:14] <h00k> I can't get it to authenticate
[04:15] <h00k> I've considered just writing my own python things for it
[04:15] <h00k> I mean, I already have
[04:15] <h00k> but a gmail watcher or twitter watcher, things like that
[04:15] <h00k> severe weather,
[04:18] <tonyyarusso> You could use my severe weather nagios plugin
[04:18] <h00k> I could
[04:18] <tonyyarusso> We want to figure out how to make it react to nagios alerts at work anyway
[04:19] <h00k> that's pretty sweet.
[04:21] <h00k> It can't be too hard, just...somehow watch for an alert, call a python script
[04:23] <tonyyarusso> yeah
[04:46] <samurai> hello
[04:52] <tonyyarusso> You say hello, and I say goodbye...
[04:52] <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: Are you going to sing for us now?
[05:09] <Takyoji> This is actually a rather interesting and simple idea for once: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/01/force-quit-with-style-yo/
[05:16] <tonyyarusso> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/01/meet-the-transformer-of-computers-the-smartbook-tablet-mid-netbook/
[07:30] <Takyoji> oh hay, I has an idea; we need to make some Linux/Ubuntu nerdcore. :P


[14:15] <atanasb> Hello everyone
[14:16] <atanasb> I just finished installing MAAS
[14:16] <atanasb> I have a problem with the configuration of my nodes
[14:16] <atanasb> is this the place to ask such questions?
[14:16] <atanasb> :)
[14:50] <melmoth> i m having problem enlisting nodes when i m behind a proxy
[14:51] <melmoth> i try to change /usr/share/maas/preseeds/generic so that i have "d-i     mirror/http/proxy string http://http://my.proxy:8000/"
[14:51] <melmoth> but when i enlist a node, it s console still show temporary failure resolving archive.ubuntu.com
[14:52] <melmoth> did i do something wrong ? was i suppose to restart some service ? any hint as to what i may have missed ?
[14:53] <melmoth> still, the node appears as declared.
[14:57] <melmoth> racedo any idea ? ^
[15:11] <melmoth> still, i cannot bootstrap , i added the proxy def in the /usr/share/maas/preseeds/preseed_master file, but it does not seem to be used
[15:16] <melmoth> lets try to set the proxy in enlist_userdata and re enlist the node then.
[15:58] <roaksoax> melmoth: yes
[15:59] <roaksoax> melmoth: enlistment doesn't use the normal preseeds, it uses enlist_userdata
[15:59] <melmoth> enlisting worked, but now not the bootstraping. i m tryoing to add apt.conf manually in /var/lib/maas/ephemeral/precise/ephemeral/amd64/20121008/disk.img
[16:00] <roaksoax> melmoth: it is not bootstrapping because it is not accessing the ppa:
[16:00] <roaksoax> ?
[16:00] <melmoth> no, i havent reach this stage yet. :)
[16:00] <melmoth> that s what i want to try out, the workarond you mentionned last week
[16:00] <roaksoax> melmoth: there's no need to modify disk.img when you can modify the cloud init preseeds/user data to add the proxy
[16:01] <melmoth> i try, i failed
[16:01] <roaksoax> melmoth: is this a customer?
[16:01] <melmoth> no, its just me having nothing more urgent to play with
[16:01] <roaksoax> melmoth: ok, is this a lab i could access to?
[16:01] <melmoth> yep, arion on boston.
[16:02] <melmoth> hold on, just trying to bootstrap after my change in the image
[16:03] <roaksoax> melmoth: ok, butyou have to differentiate various things. 1. only enlisting and commissioning use the image 2. the installation process is done via normal installation (doesn';t use the image).
[16:03] <melmoth> ah, then it ll failed....
[16:04] <melmoth> but i did put the porxy in the /usr/share/maas/preseeds/preseed_master
[16:04] <roaksoax> melmoth: preseed_master automatically uses the proxy in MAAS
[16:05] <melmoth> i set apt_proxy: in /usr/share/maas/preseeds/enlist_userdata, and set the proxy in /usr/share/maas/preseeds/preseed_master
[16:05] <melmoth> and in the image
[16:09] <roaksoax> melmoth: you don't need to modify preseed_master: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5625566/
[16:09] <roaksoax> melmoth: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5625568/
[16:10] <melmoth> hmmmm, in enlist_userdata i did not put apt_proxy: http://{{server_host}}:8000/ but my proxy...
[16:10] <melmoth> may be i should have just uncomment it without changing the server_hosr macro ?
[16:10] <roaksoax> melmoth: {{server_host}} refers to the address of the MAAS Region Controller
[16:10] <roaksoax> where the MAAS proxy is running (squid-deb-proxy)
[16:11] <melmoth> ok... i ll try that out. from scratch again, just to be sure :)
[16:11] <melmoth> i ll have more news by tomorrow.
[16:11] <melmoth> thanks
[16:11] <roaksoax> melmoth: now you might find some situations on which it cannot import the gpg key for the PPA... that needs to be resolved differently and can't remember how is it that we did it
[16:12] <melmoth> that s what i want to try out this week.
[16:13] <melmoth> i bet i ll ask more help about it here in the near future....
[16:13] <roaksoax> indeed
[20:18] <aberdine_> Hello. I'm trying to get MAAS up and running on Quantal to provision Quantal machines. I can't get the import pxe tool to download the quantal images but it doesn't by default and error if I add the config to the import-pxe config file
[20:18] <roaksoax> aberdine_: modify /etc/maas/import_pxe_files
[20:19] <roaksoax> aberdine_: and there would be something like #IMPORT_SQUASH_FS=0 remove the comment and try to import the images again
[20:19] <roaksoax> aberdine_: if it continues to fail, set that to 1 and that should be ir
[20:19] <roaksoax> be it
[20:20] <aberdine_> thanks roaksoax. It was failing at the squashfs import
[20:20] <aberdine_> it seems to be running now
[20:24] <aberdine_> Now I've just got to figure out why it things it's install the machine went it's done nothing
[20:28] <roaksoax> aberdine_: how so?
[20:29] <aberdine_> I do the first PXE boot, then accept it via the web interface. Reboot and boot of net and it keeps going with the enlist process
[20:29] <aberdine_> It never actually installs anything
[20:31] <roaksoax> aberdine_: so there's 3 steps in maas 1. enlistment. 2. commissioning 3. deployment (which leads to installation)
[20:31] <roaksoax> aberdine_: so you enlist a machine and it has a 'Declared' Status on the WebUI
[20:31] <roaksoax> aberdine_: you do "Accept & Commission"
[20:31] <aberdine_> yep, got that
[20:31] <aberdine_> and the second one
[20:31] <roaksoax> aberdine_: and it will accept the node, and it will commision
[20:31] <aberdine_> It's now saying 'ready'
[20:32] <roaksoax> aberdine_: ok so, how are you deploying it then?
[20:32] <aberdine_> via a PXE boot
[20:32] <roaksoax> aberdine_: right, but once 'Ready' you need to tell it to *deploy* via the WebUI, or via juju
[20:32] <roaksoax> i'd recommend juju
[20:33] <aberdine_> I don't see a deploy option
[20:33] <aberdine_> I have a greyed out start
[20:33] <aberdine_> I need to play with it a bit more I think
[20:34] <roaksoax> aberdine_: what meesage is shown when you put the mouse on top? I think you haven't added the SSH key for the MAAS user
[20:34] <roaksoax> that is deploying the system
[20:34] <roaksoax> you need to specify one
[20:34] <aberdine_> added the SSH key to…?
[20:35] <roaksoax> aberdine_: on the right corner, clic on the user
[20:35] <roaksoax> then go to Settings
[20:35] <roaksoax> err
[20:36] <roaksoax> PReferences
[20:36] <aberdine_> that needs my ssh public key in?
[20:36] <roaksoax> then 'Add SSH Key', which is your public key
[20:36] <aberdine_> what's that for? Post install config?
[20:36] <roaksoax> aberdine_: yes it needs your public ssh key, otherwise you won;'t be able to log into the server
[20:37] <aberdine_> ah :)
[20:39] <aberdine_> So, I've enlisted and commissioned the machine. It's on its second boot now
[20:39] <aberdine_> it has a hostname this time
[20:39] <aberdine_> hmm
[20:39] <aberdine_> this looks promising
[20:39] <aberdine_> it's downloading stuff
[20:40] <aberdine_> and shuts down
[20:40] <aberdine_> and start node
[20:40] <aberdine_> ahha
[20:40] <aberdine_> an installer :)
[20:41] <aberdine_> excellent. Thanks roaksoax
[20:41] <roaksoax> cool
[20:42] <aberdine_> on the road to building my own openstack cloud :)
[20:43] <roaksoax> cool :)


[18:50] <mybit> hi
[18:50] <mybit> when is roughly the packaging cutoff for ubuntu 20.04?
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> cutoff?
[18:51] <tomreyn> see schedule on /topic
[18:52] <mybit> I guess it'd be the feature freeze
[18:53] <mybit> i help with a package and was wondering when we'd need to get a release out of that to see it in 20.04
[18:54] <mybit> er, s/package/open source project/
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> mybit: whats the packagename?
[19:02] <mybit> gnuradio
[19:09] <tomreyn> mybit: you'd need to see into packages landing in ubuntu 20.04 / focal at least (maybe more) a week before feature freeze
[19:10] <tomreyn> mybit: folks in #ubuntu-devel would probably be able to give a better recommendation.
[19:10] <tomreyn>  gnuradio | <IP_ADDRESS>-6          | focal/universe          | source, amd64, arm64, armhf, ppc64el, s390x
[19:10] <tomreyn>  gnuradio | <IP_ADDRESS>-7build1    | focal-proposed/universe | source, amd64, arm64, armhf, ppc64el, s390x
[19:12] <tomreyn> this is the current state. it's in universe, so less strict rules apply to it (but it also gets a lower support level than packages in "main", though a non mandatory package would not easily land in main)
[19:12] <mybit> thanks for the info
[19:14] <tomreyn> i'd say make sure the debian testing version is up to date (which involves making sure it needs to pass the debian unstable -> testing migration, which also adds one week), and file a bug against the ubuntu package to have it merged into focal.
[19:14] <tomreyn> mybit: ^
[19:14] <tomreyn> ... before "Debian Import Freeze "
[19:15] <tomreyn> https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/gnuradio
[19:16] <tomreyn> obviously this also needs to work out for all of its dfirect dependencies
[19:16] <tomreyn> *direct
[19:19] <tomreyn> you may want to coordinate with the debian package maintainer.
[19:20] <tomreyn> mybit: ^ generally, there's #ubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-app-devel for development purposes
[19:24] <mybit> Maitland who does the packaging is awesome
[19:25] <mybit> I would have asked him but different timezones etc, and was looking to get a quick idea on it
[19:25] <mybit> thanks!
[19:40] <tomreyn> you're welcome.


[07:35] <vip> hmm, I cannot run mysql server after upgade
[07:37] <vip> oh, mysqld had been removed
[07:42] <soee> :]
[07:45] <vip> the error was, that mysql is masked.. the first results on google, was to delete all databases ;-)
[07:46] <vip> I'm guessing who would try to run mysqld_safe first to see errors
[07:52] <valorie> vip: have you filed a bug?
[07:52] <valorie> `ubuntu-bug mysqld`
[07:55] <vip> I don't have such command, with premeditation ;-)
[07:55] <valorie> in the commandline, vip
[07:55] <vip> I don't belive in reporting bugs since my kmail stoped searching for mail
[07:55] <valorie> !
[07:55] <vip> oh rly
[07:55] <valorie> this is a packaging bug
[07:56] <valorie> if you don't report it, how can we fix it?
[07:59] <valorie> I don't see the logical connection between an unfixed bug, and not reporting others
[08:00] <vip> it was with a pinch of salt
[08:03] <vip> but, what ubuntu-bug is a tool revealing too much confidental data
[08:03] <vip> moreover, there's no info about uninstalling when upgrade
[08:04] <vip> valorie: is there another way to report it? launchpad url?
[08:09] <valorie> ubuntu-bug does *not* give confidential info -- it is designed not to
[08:10] <vip> valorie: really? I see database names, e.g.
[08:10] <valorie> otherwise, you can search for bugs on launchpad and just comment on them
[08:10] <valorie> and perhaps it has already been reported
[08:11] <valorie> actually, I just began an upgrade on my travel laptop to test what you said
[08:12] <valorie> and I saw that apt full-upgrade said that mysqld18 or so was going to be removed
[08:12] <valorie> !info mysqld
[08:13] <valorie> $ apt-cache search mysqld
[08:13] <valorie> libmysqld-dev - MySQL embedded database development files
[08:13] <valorie> python-mysqldb - Python interface to MySQL
[08:13] <valorie> python-mysqldb-dbg - Python interface to MySQL (debug extension)
[08:13] <valorie> python-pymysql - Pure-Python MySQL driver - Python 2.x
[08:13] <valorie> python3-mysqldb - Python interface to MySQL
[08:13] <valorie> python3-mysqldb-dbg - Python interface to MySQL (debug extension)
[08:13] <valorie> bibus - bibliographic database
[08:13] <valorie> libmysqld-pic - PIC version of MySQL embedded server development files
[08:13] <valorie> mydumper - High-performance MySQL backup tool
[08:14] <valorie> mysql-utilities - collection of scripts for managing MySQL servers
[08:14] <valorie> python3-pymysql - Pure-Python MySQL Driver - Python 3.x
[08:14] <valorie> ruby-yaml-db - library to export/import of database into/from yaml files
[08:14] <valorie> I wonder if it has somehow escaped being added to the archive
[08:14] <vip> mysql-server
[08:15] <soee> so you dont have this package ?
[08:16] <valorie> not on this computer, according to apt-cache policy
[08:16] <valorie> !info mysql-server
[08:17] <valorie> but server and mysqld are not the same
[08:19] <vip> https://gist.github.com/vip9/fe98acacf7a9bafa1358a263c4e2fddd
[08:20] <vip> there were no mysqld package, afair
[08:20] <valorie> looks like mysql is being upgraded from 5.6 to 5.7
[08:21] <vip> looks like, but it did not
[08:23] <valorie> since the upgrade,  what does apt-cache policy show you?
[08:24] <vip> valorie: https://gist.github.com/vip9/767b40c8c3755d9de3bd2bdba7c3d1f3
[08:26] <valorie> sorry, there is a lot of characters there, but very little information!
[08:26] <vip> that's the optput of that command
[08:26] <valorie> apt-cache policy mysql-server would be more useful
[08:26] <soee> for me his package was kept back i think
[08:26] <vip> https://gist.github.com/cb7fe50426a4255d95bfef68a3973700
[08:27] <soee> i run apt-get install --reinstall mysql-server
[08:27] <soee> and the installed version is 5.7.11-0ubuntu5
[08:28] <valorie> and that won't run?
[08:34] <mikkle> Which version of Plasma and Applications will ship in 16.04?
[08:39] <valorie> oh good lord
[08:39] <valorie> I'll be charitable and figure that mikkle read the topic
[10:51] <BluesKaj> Heyas all
[11:05] <yofel> clivejo: FYI: from #kde-neon: any objections to that version number change?   4:5.6.2+git20160413.0151+15.10-0 -> 4:5.6.2+p16.04+git20160413.0151-0
[11:05] <yofel> sgclark: ^
[11:05]  * yofel replied no
[12:10] <BluesKaj> sddm still not loading the login page in xenial and journalctl -ex doesn't show any errors
[13:15] <soee_> wee http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NVIDIA-PRIME-Sync-V5
[14:11] <sgclark> yofel: I have no context to that question. But I trust your judgement.
[14:12] <yofel> reordering release version and git date to allow reliable release upgrades without a date ordering mess
[14:13] <sgclark> ah ok, sure seems like a good move to me
[14:38] <mamarley> yofel: Why are they asking you guys about it?  I thought it was a separate project.
[14:39] <yofel> mamarley: same CI code
[14:40] <mamarley> yofel: So https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/stable is sort of like Neon's Stable repository?
[14:41] <yofel> probably, it's building from the upstream bugfix branch
[14:42] <mamarley> Ah, OK.  Thanks!
[15:21] <pursuivant> muon (master) v5.4.3-181-g4cdb139 * Carlo Vanini: src/muonapt/QAptActions.cpp
[15:21] <pursuivant> Can undo/redo "Unmark all".
[15:21] <pursuivant> Testing Done:
[15:21] <pursuivant> 1. mark packages
[15:21] <pursuivant> 2. mark other packages
[15:21] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/4cdb1397d3d19e901add3f0701a0bc9ad1223973
[16:13] <mhall119> ahoneybun: clivejo: see Laney's comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/+bug/1562406
[17:43] <mhall119> are there any core-devs working on Kubuntu who would be interested in joining the release team?
[17:46] <sgclark> yeah, myself and probably yofel?
[17:48] <sgclark> oh wait. core-dev haha. mhall119 we have no core0devs sorry I misread
[18:21] <mhall119> sgclark: any devs interested in becoming core-devs? :)
[18:22] <clivejo> interest yes
[18:23] <clivejo> but the time and commitment that could be a problem
[18:24] <clivejo> mhall119: are there any mentors?
[18:24] <mhall119> clivejo: I'm not sure, we can probably find some
[18:25] <clivejo> Id certainly like to learn, but I have a long way to go
[18:25] <mhall119> ok
[18:26] <mhall119> clivejo: in the mean time, is anyone in contact with Riddell or ScottK to see if they can upload it?
[18:27] <clivejo> sorry, upload what?
[18:27] <mhall119> the muon packages from that FFE bug
[18:27] <mhall119> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/+bug/1562406
[18:27] <sick_rimmit> Yep I am interested too
[18:27] <clivejo> ah, emmm last I heard KDE are to bump the release number
[18:28] <sick_rimmit> Yes Carlo is working on Bumping a release tag for Muon
[18:28] <clivejo> so we are waiting for that to happen and for Rick and Co to be added as maintainers
[18:28] <clivejo> we thought that getting a proper release would help the FFE request
[18:28] <clivejo> rather than a git snapshot
[18:28] <mhall119> clivejo: ok, Laney gave a +1 to uploading it into xenial if you can get that done soon
[18:29] <clivejo> was Laney on holiday?
[18:29] <sgclark> mhall119: yeah I definately want to be a core dev but I honestly don't even know where to start.
[18:29] <sick_rimmit> We're having our packaging party tomorrow night, so with a good wind and a bit of help we could get that ready
[18:29] <sgclark> and also affected by the time issue
[18:29] <sick_rimmit> I will checkin with Carlo and see how that tag is looking
[18:30] <clivejo> sick_rimmit: would Carlo come here?
[18:31] <sick_rimmit> Dunno, let me invite him here, and to Party - Will email him
[18:31] <mhall119> clivejo: no, he's 200% on snappy work for 16.04 though
[18:32] <clivejo> He helped me the last time with kde-connect and was very halpful, but I couldnt contact him this time :(
[18:32] <mhall119> yeah, he's been under very tight deadlines with a lot of work, I wasn't expecting to hear from him at all on that FFE
[18:33] <clivejo> nice guy :)
[18:34] <sgclark> LOL someone created an FFe without packaging, and now expect us to package it? I refuse on principal. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/taglib/+bug/1546373
[18:34] <sgclark> but someone else bored? feel free.
[18:38]  * sgclark returns to her KDE hat.
[18:38] <clivejo> looks like that lib might cause problems in amarok?
[18:42] <sgclark> no clue what it is for, also they want to package a beta version... seems like it will be trouble, I don't have time for it. I also do not understand why we are responsible?
[18:44] <clivejo> I think he just used that as a example of the lastest upstream activity
[18:44] <sick_rimmit> Email Carlo, and invited him to party
[18:44] <clivejo> to make a point that its still being worked on upstream
[18:45] <clivejo> the original FFE is for TagLib 1.10 Release - November 11, 2015
[18:46] <sick_rimmit> OK be back later, go to go
[18:46] <sgclark> the point is... it has not even been packaged, why did they make it a FFe
[18:48] <clivejo> eakk, no activity on the packaging in 2 years - http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/users/modax/taglib.git
[18:49] <sgclark> right, so it will not likely be easy. And they pull this how long beforee release? and assign us? wtf?
[18:49] <sgclark> oh well I have to go. bbl
[19:26] <snele> when plasma 5.5.5 and other updates from staging ppas will be available in repo?
[19:26] <snele> release is very close...
[19:28] <soee> i think even old wizards have no idea :)
[19:29] <snele> yofel: sgclark: clivejo: are you these wizards? :)
[19:33] <clivejo> not me!
[19:33] <clivejo> Im no wizard
[19:42] <mhall119> sgclark: do you know who subscribed the kubuntu packagers to that?
[19:46] <mhall119> it looks like Debian is still on 1.9.x too
[19:57] <clivejo> hummm 1.10 wont build
[20:00] <sgclark> mhall119: no idea
[20:01] <sgclark> yofel: what if anything is blocking us from uploading these point releases? would make a big difference
[20:01]  * sgclark is also not a wizard
[20:02] <yofel> taglib is used by amarok, so that's how that happened probably
[20:03] <yofel> not sure, packageset issues possibly, but that might only be one or two packages and can be fixed later on. Do talk to the release folks when's a good time for the upload though
[20:03] <yofel> but I don't think anything is blocking it, aside from nobody doing it yet
[20:04] <sgclark> hmm. not sure even how to accomplish it
[20:04] <sgclark> or when I myself will have time haha
[20:05]  * sgclark envisions this nightmare of having to tag and upload each package
[20:05] <yofel> ubuntu-archive-upload does that
[20:05] <sgclark> oh excellent
[20:05] <sgclark> who exacty am I suppose to ask?
[20:07] <yofel> in -release? infinity maybe, but just pop in saying whether anyone would feel offended by you uploading plasma and apps before pinging anyone
[20:07] <sgclark> ok
[20:07] <sgclark> I will work on this tonight
[20:07] <yofel> thanks
[20:08] <clivejo> sgclark: when is your tonight?
[20:09] <sgclark> Not for 5ish hours
[20:09] <clivejo> ah Ill be in bed, any chance of pasting the comands you used to a shared pad or something?
[20:11] <sgclark> err ok I guess I need to figure how to do this within the hour.
[20:12]  * sgclark looks for a README
[20:32] <sgclark> getting errors on signing the tag, hopefully that is not bad...
[20:34] <soee> :)
[20:38] <yofel> sgclark: AFAIK, that means it's not tagging anything, as it tries to make signed tags
[20:38] <yofel> (can't try it right now)
[20:38] <sgclark> well that is not good, how do I fix this?
[20:38] <yofel> you gpg-agent should take care of that... not set up?
[20:38] <yofel> *your
[20:38] <sgclark> it is set up ...
[20:39] <yofel> maybe it's trying to use the wrong key
[20:39] <clivejo> my gpg-agent has suddenly stopped working :(
[20:39] <sgclark> mmm yes it is trying to use an old... email
[20:40] <yofel> I think it tries whatever email is set in ~/.gitconfig
[20:40] <sgclark> ok
[20:41] <sgclark> blah that is it
[20:41] <sgclark> so now what? I can't re run the script can I?
[20:42] <sgclark> hmm new email failed too
[20:42] <yofel> yes you can, it doesn't push
[20:43] <sgclark> ksysguard is broken  clivejo
[20:44] <clivejo> sgclark: it is?
[20:44] <clivejo> Ive 5.5.5 on my install, works for me?
[20:44] <sgclark> trying to parse <<<<
[20:45] <sgclark> oh in copyright file, merge marker
[20:45] <sgclark> wouldnt break the whole thing, but stilll needs to be fixed
[20:45] <sgclark> no clue how to fix this key igning thing
[20:46] <clivejo> ah yes, line 165 - http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/plasma/ksysguard.git/tree/debian/copyright?h=kubuntu_xenial_archive
[20:46] <clivejo> also line 312
[20:46] <clivejo> was that me?
[20:47] <clivejo> looks like it was introduced in this commit - http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/plasma/ksysguard.git/commit/?h=kubuntu_xenial_archive&id=6d28b20cf16298cc0e714c98ae41f933f90cfb57
[20:51] <sgclark> plasma-discover differs
 mm anyone get "POWER CALIBRATION AREA ERROR" when burning DVD's?
[21:02] <sgclark> have not burned one in awhile, but no.
[21:14] <clivejo> aaron what are you using to burn?
[21:15] <clivejo> anyone having trouble with Kontact/Akonadi?
[21:15] <clivejo> Im getting what look to be MySQL errors
[21:21] <yofel> someone did send something to the ML about an invalid config key
[21:28] <clivejo> :(
[21:28] <clivejo> Im getting lots of errors
[21:28] <clivejo> The amarok database reported the following errors:
[21:28] <clivejo> GREPME MySQLe query failed! (2000) mysql_embedded: Shutdown complete
[21:28] <clivejo>  on init
[21:28] <clivejo> akonadi is going crazy too about MySQL
[21:30] <clivejo> is this MySQL7 related?
[21:35] <valorie> update last night removed one version of mysql and installed another
[21:35] <valorie> read up to see my conversation with someone last night with problems
[21:36] <valorie> 'vip' was his name
[21:36] <sgclark> well plasma is uploaded, I can't seem to sort out my git key tagging issue to push to git..
[21:37]  * sgclark starts applications
[21:41] <soee> :)
[21:46] <valorie> someone reported mysql errors upon upgrade in #amarok, too
[21:47] <valorie> I'm going to ask in #amarok-devel about the updated taglib
[21:47]  * sgclark is still not packaging it
[21:53] <genii> mamarley: Do the drivers at https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa have Vulcan ?
[21:58] <mamarley> genii: I believe so.  Or, you can try the Vulkan PPA which has 364.16.
[21:58] <genii> mamarley: Cool, thanks
[22:34] <valorie> sgclark: I think we are all agreed that a new taglib will not be on 16.04 -- but if we can find a packager, and IF kde multimedia wants the new taglib, we could backport it after release
[22:35] <valorie> i'll write to the lists to ask. If they don't want it, there is no push to do more work
[22:36] <ahoneybun> I think the point was why did they file a FFE at this point for a simple lib
[22:44] <sgclark> I don't care how simple or complicated. Why did they file a Ffe for something that was unpackaged, and then assign it to us... and this close to release is even more unforgivable.
[22:45] <sgclark> I get that they want someone to package it, this was NOT how to get that.
[22:49] <valorie> ahoneybun: unsure if the taglib devels are in the loop at all
[22:50] <valorie> from what I recall from my time working in Amarok; not so much
[22:51] <valorie> they probably noticed that Ubuntu wasn't shipping their latest and were just "fixitfixitfixit"
[22:51] <sgclark> FTBFS libksysguard...
[22:55]  * sgclark wishes she kept her KDE hat on
[22:59] <sgclark> oh well hopefully rebuilds will sort it out.
[23:49] <sgclark> not good: https://lists.debian.org/debian-qt-kde/2016/03/msg00193.html libksysguard...
[23:50] <sgclark> marble might fail too
[23:57] <doko> who is responsible for this kubuntu upload mess?
[23:59] <sgclark> what mess?


[05:10] <Kyanite393> Hello all
[05:11] <Kyanite393> I'm having a little issue with latest version. Whenever the screensaver comes one it locks up and locks me out of my desktop. The screensaver doesn't even animate it just freezes.
[05:11] <Kyanite393> I've looked for solutions on ask ubuntu and YT cant find one
[15:26] <MichaelTunnell[m> not the best suggestion I know but screensavers are pretty pointless these days because burn-in is not much of an issue these days. I just turn screensavers off on every system I use.
[18:58] <Eickmeyer> MichaelTunnell[m: The screensaver that's described is probably xfce4-screensaver which is pretty much the screen locker. Either way, support for that is in #xubuntu. (They're long gone)
[18:58] <Eickmeyer> The person needing help, that is.
[21:01] <MichaelTunnell[m> I figured but didnt see the leave message oh well


[04:39] <valorie> hello all, so nice to be back in IRC
[04:39] <valorie> dunno what the problem with the wireless was at LFNW, but it was *crap*
 Only for you. :P
[04:40] <valorie> and I forgot to install telegram before leaving
[04:40] <valorie> well, once I got a wire, it was fine
 But yeah, it was an exciting weekend.
 @valorie, Right.
[04:40] <valorie> and what are you doing awake?
[04:40] <valorie> it was great, and it also feels great to be back home
 @valorie, Well if I'm awake, I'm not sleeping. :P
[04:41] <valorie> right, so.....
 https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/kubuntu-beaver.html
 Forget him.
 Yeah. They enjoy spreading FUD.
[20:58] <valorie> imo negative feedback is information
[20:58] <valorie> so I intend to read it all
 @tsimonq2, yeah, via getting linked on distrowatch
 we got a good review once = assume he is good
 So I just remembered, I had a conversation with Valorie in person about this, but I wanted to pitch it to give people who matter the opportunity to yell loudly. … Within the next week or two, I want to prepare a list of all of KDE 4 that we can get removed from the archive. Of course, we can talk about specific packages, but I'd like a (preferably GPG-signed) signoff from Rik, Valorie, myself, and Nate before going forward
 @acheronuk, Bah.
[21:03] <valorie> gpg-signed
[21:03] <valorie> gah
[21:03] <valorie> I hate you
 😆
 @acheronuk What are your thoughts specifically?
 that I need 🍻
 Indeed. :)
[22:11] <valorie> tsimonq2: wxl: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqeKeRXssKqbK4XHqLYrctQ
 Ahh, right.
[22:14] <valorie> just in case you're regretting a talk you didn't see
[22:15] <valorie> I'm chatting in a PM with  Brian from Riesling (the guy I was talking with before we started the key-signing madness)
 Ah
 Cool!
[22:17] <valorie> talking him into trying konversation
[22:17] <valorie> instead of the freenode webchat
 Ah.
 Ooh, flight is now starting its descent!
[22:24] <valorie> damn, flight aware stopped showing me info
[22:24] <valorie> piffle
 Touched down.
 This weekend went by waaaaaaaay too fast.
[22:52] <valorie> have a great week, tsimonq2!
[22:52] <valorie> it was great to spend a bit of time with ya
 Same to you; it was such a great weekend. :)
[23:12] <valorie> btw, do we have contact info for dedoimedo?
[23:13] <valorie> because there is some excellent negative feedback in there
[23:13] <valorie> I would like to see bug numbers though


[12:02] <chrishawker> hello, anyone alive in here?
[12:03] <jea> hi chrishawker
[12:03] <chrishawker> heya jea
[12:03] <chrishawker> i need some ubuntu help.
[12:04] <chrishawker> I have an Optus/Huawei E3276 4G LTE modem, which I am trying to use on 14.04 LTS
[12:04] <chrishawker> how can I get it to connect?
[12:04] <jea> Is that a USB one?
[12:04] <chrishawker> yes, just usb only
[12:05] <jea> Ok. I haven't used a USB modem for a while, nor have I used a Huawei one
[12:06] <chrishawker> i know, it sucks ass...
[12:06] <jea> When I did use one, I just plugged it in, then the network manager picked up the device, and allowed me to configure it
[12:07] <jea> I remember having to set the APN, and then enter the username and password
[12:07] <jea> After that though, it worked pretty easily. Just connect
[12:07] <chrishawker> yeah, the new 4g modems don't use demand-dial interfaces, afaik.
[12:08] <chrishawker> it uses a virtual ethernet port.
[12:09] <jea> Oh. that is different
[12:10] <jea> One of the benefits of the newer router-like 4G modems is that you don't have to configure all this
[12:11] <chrishawker> yeah should be plug-n-play
[12:11] <chrishawker> i'll setup a vm to test some stuff i have found, see how that goes.
[12:11] <chrishawker> brb.
[12:12] <jea> ok


[09:28] <cavac> Is the point release today for upgrading 14.04 to 16.04?
[11:17] <flocculant> cavac: no - that's due a bit later
[14:57] <xubuntu46w> Hello everyone, I keep getting this error during install I can't for the life of me figure out how to fix it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/20302441/
[15:09] <GeekDude> Are you wiping the disk entirely before installing?
[15:10] <GeekDude> Rather, is that what you are wanting to do, or is there data on the disk that needs to be preserved
[15:10] <GeekDude> If not, I'd grab gparted and delete all the partitions then try running the installer again
[15:34] <xubuntu46w> GeekDude: I'll try that and then see what happens. It's possible to make a LiveUSB from a live session... isn't it? I only have this machine.
[15:35] <GeekDude> Why would you need to make a liveusb?
[15:35] <GeekDude> Just install the gparted desktop app :)
[15:35] <GeekDude> >sudo apt-get udpate && sudo apt-get install gparted && sudo gparted
[15:39] <xubuntu46w> That sounds so much easier. xD Thanks.
[17:05] <ranu> Hello, has anyone faced this problem: http://imgur.com/a/67arCw ?
[17:06] <ranu> Names of desktop icons are not centered and with shadows behind it
[17:15] <ranu> Image link: http://imgur.com/z0wuEWO
[17:44] <choki> hi
[17:55] <flocculant> ranu: bug 1598316
[17:55] <ranu> Thanks to point that out to me flocculant :-)
[17:57] <flocculant> ranu: not sure of the fix release state for 16.04 though currently
[17:59] <ranu> Not a problem for now, gonna check that bug later, busy right now
[19:24] <GeekDude> ranu: I am having the same problem, I don't suppose you have found a workaround?
[19:25] <ranu> GeekDude, found something but didn't try it yet: http://askubuntu.com/questions/798778/desktop-icon-foreground-text-is-way-offset
[19:27] <GeekDude> Looks decent enough, but the answer doesn't contain instructions on how to undo the hold once the bug is fixed upstream
[20:41] <doot> Anyone running xubuntu on a older Acer netbook?
[21:10] <stould> Hello, I have installed a windows 10 an as expected, it fucked the grub.. I used the grud-repair, but now a surprise, where is my windows partition now? someone know how to rescue the partition?


[00:23] <rsalveti> sure, just ping me once done
[01:23] <Saviq> rsalveti, ok, one last request for today... please publish ↑
[01:24] <Saviq> you'll need to ACK https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/qtmir/resync-unrevert-r233-2/+merge/231099 and https://code.launchpad.net/~mir-team/qtmir/gles-sync/+merge/231097 first
[02:04] <imgbot> [03:39] <imgbot> [03:39] <imgbot> [04:22] <rsalveti> done, will trigger another image tomorrow morning
[11:34]  * ogra_ sighs ...
[11:35] <ogra_> my device stooped being aboe to start apps from the dash ... doing a reboot now got me into a starte where the session is in a restart loop ... including adb :(
[11:36] <ogra_> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# ls -l /var/crash/*.crash|wc -l
[11:36] <ogra_> 21
[11:36] <ogra_> sigh
[17:39] <imgbot> [18:49] <imgbot> [18:49] <imgbot>


[22:18] <petergk> hello there
[22:20] <petergk> I think it's quiet important if you work with music
[22:20] <petergk> So I would like to ask/propose to put in fmit (free music instrument tuner) into to the music related apps, it's gpl-ed and full production proof
[22:20] <petergk> I use it on a daily basis to tune instruments  (professionally) so I think it's a smart idea to put it on, not so big and very useful, objectively
[22:21] <petergk> I hope somebody will like the idea
[22:21] <petergk> the application is usually in repo
[22:22] <petergk> thanks, I will be around


[20:08] <MikeRL> Question - Mozilla's Firefox builds are at 33.1.1. Ubuntu's are still at 33.0. Are we missing anything important?
[20:08] <MikeRL> Like security fixes and such.