[01:54] <maknz> Hi, if the mail() function returns 1/true, is it safe to assume that a problem with the mail being sent lies with the mailing daemon, not PHP (or at least the PHP script)?
[01:57] <maknz> Ah, wrong channel >_< sorry!
[04:27] <Demosthenes> anyone have virtualbox running on lucid? my dkms modules refuse to compile.
[04:28] <lickalott> did you spank them?
[04:29] <Demosthenes> well, i only dabble in dominating kernel modules.
[04:29] <Demosthenes> i don't think these really fear me yet
[04:31] <lickalott> i've only ever used it on winblows
[04:33] <Demosthenes> ah
[08:41] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #829944 in clamav (main) "stopping freshclam doesn't remove pidfile" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/829944
[09:02] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #829945 in clamav (main) "purging all clamav packages doesn't remove /var/run/clamav directory" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/829945
[10:01] <greenmang0> can anybody here tell me the procedure to "fsck" an "lvm" partition using "live cd" ?
[10:02] <greenmang0> filesystem has errors on it ... but then i mount it using live cd ... e2fsck says that it's clean
[10:07] <patdk-lap> don't mount it, just fsck it
[10:08] <patdk-lap> e2fsck -f /dev/....
[10:10] <greenmang0> patdk-lap, yes... tried that ... it still says "clean"
[10:10] <patdk-lap> using -f?
[10:10] <greenmang0> patdk-lap, yes ... -fv
[10:11] <patdk-lap> -f is suppost to make it check, even if it's clean
[10:11] <patdk-lap> so it must really be clean then
[10:11] <patdk-lap> why do you think it's broken?
[10:11] <greenmang0> patdk-lap, but if i boot system and run "e2fsck -n /dev/mapper/foobar" it says partition has errors
[10:11] <patdk-lap> you did mount the lvm right?
[10:12] <greenmang0> patdk-lap, what happens is the file system suddenly becomes "read-only" after few days of uptime and some files become inaccessible
[10:12] <greenmang0> patdk-lap, rebooting solve the issue temporarily ...
[10:12] <patdk-lap> heh, I had that happen only once
[10:13] <greenmang0> and i keep getting some "ata" errors on login screen
[10:13] <patdk-lap> it was my laptops intel wifi driver doing it, corrupting ext3 somehow
[10:13] <patdk-lap> upgraded the driver, and all is good
[10:13] <greenmang0> patdk-lap, how can i find the root cause?
[10:13] <patdk-lap> no idea
[10:14] <patdk-lap> I solved it by chance, kindof, by removing parts of the computer, and trying again
[10:14] <patdk-lap> till it didn't corrupt the filesystem
[10:14] <greenmang0> patdk-lap, ok
[10:14] <patdk-lap> for me, I couldn't even do an install, cause it would get corrupted that quickly
[10:15] <patdk-lap> so it provided a pretty quick reliable way to tell
[11:34] <jforman> hi all. is there an easy way to convert a ubuntu 10.04 server LTS release to standard 11.04 server? without blowing it away and reinstalling from scratch
[11:37] <alamar> dist-upgrade to 10.10 and then to 11.04
[11:38] <jforman> thats what i suspected, just wasnt sure. maverick was the option i was given when trying a 'do-release-upgrade -d'.
[11:39] <alamar> jforman: that's what the release notes of 11.04 suggest. (to be more precise they refer to the upgrade notes for maverick)
[13:31] <RoyK> jforman: edit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades and set Prompt=normal, then run do-release-upgrade
[13:32] <RoyK> oops - he apparently left...
[13:33] <sajkaca> hi. i have 6 hds and i want to make raid 5. how to set up partitions?
[13:33] <RoyK> sajkaca: no need for partitions
[13:33] <RoyK> sajkaca: have you created a raid with mdadm?
[13:35] <sajkaca> i m doing a fresh install. i set up raid 1 for /boot partition and then raid 5 and lvm /, swap and storage
[13:35] <sajkaca> it doesnt work grup cant be installed so i think i did something wrong
[13:35] <sajkaca> grub*
[13:36] <RoyK> I'd recommend using separate drives for root/boot with raid-1/mirrors
[13:36] <RoyK> then use the remaining drives, equally sized, for a raid-5 (or raid-6 if you're paranoid) for the data
[13:37] <RoyK> smallish 2,5" drives are good if space is an issue
[13:42] <sajkaca> 4 drives will not be enough for storage i need more. so i have to do 6 hds for raid. only boot is the problem
[13:42] <sajkaca> becose it wont work. and i read on google that there is some ishues with ubuntu raid 5 etc.. so i need howto that the system will work fine
[13:50] <ubunteo> hi everyone.
[13:50] <ubunteo> how are you ??
[13:57] <ubunteo> do we need public IP to build webserver to be accessed anywhere from internet ?
[14:03] <RoyK> sajkaca: the problem with mixed raid setup is when something fails - get some small drives for the root - you can probably find some small drives from ebay for close to nothing - for example http://www.ebay.com/itm/40GB-5400RPM-2-5-SATA-Serial-ATA-Laptop-Hard-Drive-HDD-/260833948384?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cbaea32e0
[14:03] <RoyK> ubunteo: yes
[14:04] <RoyK> ubunteo: either a public IP or some nat magick
[14:04] <ubunteo> ok.
[14:04] <ubunteo> RoyK: thanks
[14:06] <ubunteo> our office Firewall blocked pinging/traceroute to google or other public DNS servers . I can't access firewall. How could I do without touching firewall?
[14:06]  * RoyK was at a dinner with a friend last night, watching movies and having a few glasses of wine before going home about half past five in the morning, and can only conclude he's not 20 anymore :P
[14:06] <RoyK> ubunteo: ask the sysadmin to open up for the webserver
[14:06] <RoyK> preferably, it should be in the DMZ
[14:07] <RoyK> !dmz
[14:07] <RoyK> stupid bot....
[14:08] <ubunteo> RoyK: I hate bots except in counter-strike game
[14:08] <RoyK> I was referring to ubottu
[14:08] <RoyK> !windows
[14:09] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]
[14:09] <RoyK> bug #1 is always amusing :)
[14:09] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[14:11] <ubunteo> why can't GIMP or others can't be exactly the same like Photoshop?
[14:11] <RoyK> "why can't linux be exactly the same as windows?"
[14:12] <ubunteo> wine is odd
[14:12] <RoyK> ubunteo: there are sets of shortcuts out there to mimic photoshop
[14:12] <RoyK> ubunteo: they're separate systems, with separate goals, so they're bound to be different
[14:12] <ubunteo> RoyK: I mean other features like addons and brushes and actions.
[14:13] <RoyK> and Adobe has been in this for years and gimp is still rather new in comparison
[14:13] <RoyK> ubunteo: /j #gimp
[14:13] <RoyK> it's not really an ubuntu server issue :P
[14:14] <ubunteo> RoyK: the sad thing is OSS community can't create absolute alternative to  Windows' Active Directory. even SAMBA LDAP can't resemble windows exactly the same features
[14:14] <RoyK> samba4 does
[14:14] <RoyK> but then, it's not finished
[14:14] <ubunteo> RoyK: I want to stop using Windows AD . it is waste of money
[14:15] <RoyK> and, btw, samba isn't an acronym
[14:15] <RoyK> just a name derived from SMB (server message block, the windoze file sharing protocol)
[14:15] <ubunteo> RoyK: may be a rumor or I dont know. there would be ubuntu directory services. how is that status to totally replace windows AD ?
[14:16] <RoyK> ubunteo: samba4 supports acting as an AD controller
[14:17] <RoyK> it's still in alpha, though (IIRC). See http://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Samba4 for more info
[14:17] <ubunteo> RoyK:  actually Novell Directory Service eDirectory can totally replace or do same feature like windows AD for most common daily routines for users of windows. why ubuntu can't ?
[14:17] <RoyK> hm... seems it's left alpha
[14:18] <RoyK> NDS is closed source
[14:18]  * RoyK is an old NetWare Master CNE :D
[14:19] <RoyK> ubunteo: but then, openldap and samba can do a few things
[14:19] <RoyK> with samba4, it'll be far easier to implement windows integration
[14:19] <ubunteo> RoyK: I know it is dead end technology according to the whole world though I don't know exactly why. But installiing novell clients for widnows on each windows computer, it can communicate well with Novell eDirectory
[14:20] <RoyK> I know
[14:20] <RoyK> NDS is kickass technology compared to AD
[14:20] <RoyK> AD is merely a smart extension of the old winnt domains
[14:20] <ubunteo> RoyK: I would like to get the same feature with ubuntu servers at back end and windows clients at front end
[14:20] <RoyK> NDS is a distributed catalog service
[14:21] <RoyK> well, for windows, you either need an NDS client, or AD support
[14:21] <RoyK> AFAIK windows doesn't support LDAP logins
[14:21] <RoyK> and I doubt mickysoft will add that, since by then, there'll be less need for AD
[14:22] <RoyK> ubunteo: try samba4
[14:22] <RoyK> you'll need to compile it from source, though, but it might be worth a try if you're eager to kick out M$ servers
[14:23] <ubunteo> RoyK:  but making samba can directly talk to windows and for over exceeded quantity of users that samba can't handle, samba server should connect to LDAP server to handle. I read that on one article
[14:24] <RoyK> erm... I didn't quite understand that - what do you mean?
[14:24] <ubunteo> RoyK: I have to convince management before we decide to use ubuntu instead of costly windows. This is reform. I would like to make sure all before hand.
[14:25] <RoyK> keep your AD controller and use Samba for fileservers
[14:25] <RoyK> samba can join AD easily
[14:25] <RoyK> using samba4 in production would be silly
[14:25] <ubunteo> RoyK: I don't want to see MS stuffs anymore. I dn't want install antivirus and other related problems
[14:26] <RoyK> ubunteo: are your clients running windows?
[14:26] <ubunteo> RoyK: yes. all clients are windows.. all servers are novell. I am now in the middle of nowhere to migrate to ubuntu or windows servers for the backend deployment
[14:27] <RoyK> ok, so you're using netware and NDS?
[14:29] <RoyK> currently, there's no good open source replacement for AD or NDS
[14:29] <ubunteo> RoyK: yes. Groupwise. Border Manager
[14:29] <ubunteo> RoyK: oh. that sucks . that is why linux still can't beat Microsoft
[14:30] <ubunteo> RoyK: ok thanks a lot. let me stop.
[14:30] <RoyK> well, linux is a bit more than windows integration - last I checked, linux was the most used OS for web services and more
[14:30] <RoyK> ubunteo: btw
[14:30] <RoyK> ubunteo: I think there might be an LDAP login plugin available for win
[14:30] <RoyK> haven't tried it, though
[14:31] <ubunteo> is there anyone who is using inventory software to record IT stocks like toners, cartridges and CDs, DVDs cosume and refill ?
[14:32] <ubunteo> As I am looking for inventory software for non-profit organizations. There is no sales or linking to accounts in this inventory software.
[14:40] <RoyK> no idea, but I guess there are dozens of packages available for that
[14:40] <RoyK> google for it
[14:45] <ubunteo> RoyK: I checked sf.net. most are network based tracing serials network cards .bla bla. I just want pure IT stocks recordiing no sales included
[14:51] <ubunteo> thanks all . see you later
[15:51] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #830108 in bacula (main) "bacula director eror in initial conf file" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/830108
[16:34] <KM0201> anyone aware of a good, mini sas card that will be supported out of the box.  I'd like support for 8 drives.
[16:36] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #830129 in samba (main) "package samba 2:3.5.8~dfsg-1ubuntu2.3 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/830129
[16:38] <KM0201> upgraded from 10.04 to 11.10?  that was smart
[16:38] <KM0201> skipped a few in between there.
[16:38] <mfraz74> KM0201: on your server?
[16:39] <KM0201> no, i didn't..lol i'm not that dumb.. i clicked the link on the bug report and read it.
[16:39] <KM0201> lol
[16:39] <KM0201> or do you mean the mini-sas card question?
[16:40] <KM0201> mfraz74:
[16:40] <KM0201> ?
[16:40] <mfraz74> i meant the upgrading to 11.01
[16:40] <mfraz74> 11.10
[16:40] <KM0201> oh no, id idn't do that.. lol
[16:40] <KM0201> click the link on the bug report, and read his description of his "bug" (i think the bigger problem is between his ears)
[16:41]  * patdk-lap wonders what exactly is a mini-sas card
[16:41] <mfraz74> i'm running kubuntu 11.10 on a netbook, it's looking good, but i wouldn't trust it on my main machine yet
[16:41] <patdk-lap> I know sas and sata, but haven't seen anything called mini
[16:41] <mfraz74> is the card mini?
[16:42] <patdk-lap> dunno, that would be called lowprofile
[16:42] <KM0201> i've always heard it called a mini-sas card.. maybe i named it improperly
[16:42] <KM0201> sas is appropriat ei'm sure.. i think mini just describes the card
[16:42] <mfraz74> http://www.saverstore.com/product/20070396/7725665/HP-Smart-Array-P410-256-SAS-Controller-Card-PCIe-X8-8-port--2x-Internal-Mini-SAS-4x-Connector-
[16:42] <patdk-lap> sas lp card :), low profile sas hba, to be more exact
[16:43] <KM0201> i'm int he US, and second, i don't wanna spend that much, that's a little insane.
[16:43] <patdk-lap> oh, the mini-sas in that refers to the sff-8087 ports
[16:43] <mfraz74> it was a bit expensive, i've found another for £23 :)
[16:44] <mfraz74> i was just using it as an example of mini-sas cards
[16:44] <KM0201> ok.. let me explain what i want.. i think its sff 8087.... i want a raid card, that has 2 ports, that will allow me to run 8 drives, w/ a cable like this..  http://www.amazon.com/Adaptec-2236600-R-Internal-Mini-SASX4-SFF-8087/dp/B000GU04X2
[16:44] <patdk-lap> I think some call it mini-sas compared to the sff-8484 conector
[16:45] <KM0201> ok.
[16:46] <patdk-lap> looks like your getting a highpoint then
[16:46] <patdk-lap> if you want cost effective
[16:46] <patdk-lap> otherwise probably go with an lsi
[16:46] <KM0201> well cost effective would be nice.
[16:46] <patdk-lap> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816115079
[16:46] <KM0201> i'd like to keep it between 90-150 US (not sure on your idea of cost effective)
[16:46] <patdk-lap> you want a raid card for <200?
[16:47] <KM0201> i did't think that seemed htat unusual.
[16:47] <patdk-lap> your asking for fakeraid, and they don't make fakeraid sas
[16:48] <KM0201> patdk-lap: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816115096
[16:49] <KM0201> patdk-lap: if i'm looking at that card correctly, it should support 8 drives (2 ports, 4 drives each)
[16:49] <patdk-lap> it does
[16:49] <patdk-lap> but the firmware on that card isn't that great
[16:50] <KM0201> why would that be a concern?...
[16:50] <patdk-lap> you don't know how to read the feedback section?
[16:50] <patdk-lap> or do your own research about stuff before you buy?
[16:50] <KM0201> actually, i didn't even notice it had a feedback tab..lol
[16:50] <KM0201> yes, i research before i buy, i was just posting that one as an example.
[16:51] <patdk-lap> if you look, only highpoints are <200
[16:51] <KM0201> yeah
[16:52] <KM0201> i know high point makes a crap firearm, so maybe thats an omen.. :)
[16:52] <patdk-lap> well, some of their stuff isn't
[16:52] <KM0201> their pistols.
[16:52] <patdk-lap> maybe they will be like ati was
[16:52] <KM0201> some of their rifles get rave reviews (but i have no experience w/ those)
[16:52] <patdk-lap> I refused to get an ati video card cause the drivers where always crashing systems
[16:53] <KM0201> yeah
[16:56] <KM0201> patdk-lap: how is intel usually?...  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816117157
[16:57] <patdk-lap> intel is just relabled lsi
[16:57] <KM0201> that should do what i want i think
[16:57] <patdk-lap> ya
[16:58] <KM0201> now just to see how solid it's linux support is
[16:58] <patdk-lap> hmm? lsi has always been making linux drivers
[16:58] <patdk-lap> never had an issue
[16:59] <KM0201> are they "plug n play" or do you have to compile the driver?
[16:59] <patdk-lap> plugnplay
[16:59] <patdk-lap> just have to download the management software from their website
[17:00] <KM0201> is that really necessary?
[17:00] <patdk-lap> if you want to fix the raid without taking the whole system down? yes
[17:00] <KM0201> sounds like its necessary.. :)
[17:00] <patdk-lap> or see if a drive failed, without depending on led's
[17:01] <KM0201> yeah..
[17:01] <KM0201> how does the mgmt software work?
[17:01] <patdk-lap> pretty simple
[17:01] <patdk-lap> looks just like the bios interface
[17:01] <patdk-lap> atleast for the ones I have
[17:02] <KM0201> hmm, so do you run it via SSH, or.. ?
[17:02] <patdk-lap> yep
[17:02] <KM0201> i see.
[17:03] <KM0201> that seems like it would be the easiest way.
[17:03] <KM0201> maybe i should up my budget a bit, and not "shortchange" this one
[17:11] <KM0201> software raid is working OK, but i only have 6 ports, and have 8 bays... but.. right now i don't need all 6 ports.
[17:11] <KM0201> patdk-lap: question about software raid (i'm kinda new to this)... say one of my drives borks out.. 1. how do i know, and 2, is easy to add a new drive to the array?
[17:12] <patdk-lap> ask mdadm
[17:12] <KM0201> mdadm?
[17:13] <KM0201> hmm
[17:13] <KM0201> i see where you're going
[17:14] <KM0201> unfortunately a lot of that is greek to me
[17:23] <qman__> KM0201, cat /proc/mdstat (or set it up to email you), and yes, it's easy
[17:23] <qman__> install new drive, partition it, then add it to the array with mdadm
[17:24] <KM0201> yeah, i just found a lnk,   http://www.howtoforge.com/replacing_hard_disks_in_a_raid1_array
[17:24] <KM0201> i guess my bigger question, is how to tell which drive is bad..
[17:24] <KM0201> i'm gonna try it in vbox, see if i run into a problem
[17:24] <qman__> the way I tell is with smartctl
[17:25] <KM0201> smartctl?
[17:25] <qman__> it tells you the serial number when you smartctl -a /dev/sd?
[17:25] <qman__> which is printed on the label
[17:25] <KM0201> ohok.
[17:25] <qman__> also, it's often too late when the drive actually drops out of the array
[17:26] <qman__> I use smartd to email me on bad sectors
[17:26] <KM0201> wha tdo you mean "to late".. if i'm using raid 1.. there should be a mirror on the other drive.
[17:26] <qman__> I lost an 8 disk raid 5 that way, three drives failed in one day
[17:26] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #830142 in samba (main) "package samba-common-bin 2:3.5.8~dfsg-1ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: short read on buffer copy for backend dpkg-deb during `./usr/bin/smbpasswd'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/830142
[17:26] <qman__> would have known sooner if I had smartctl telling me about the bad sectors
[17:26] <KM0201> 3 drives in 1 day?... lol.. impressive.
[17:27] <KM0201> but wiith raid 1, i have a mirror of the drive, so it shouldn't be as big an issue, right?
[17:27] <qman__> unless your two drives are like my three
[17:27] <qman__> and you can't replace it before the second fails
[17:27] <KM0201> this is true.
[17:27] <qman__> it's more likely than you think, unfortunately
[17:28] <qman__> I've already replaced two drives with bad sectors on my new array
[17:29] <KM0201> unfortunately, this isn't very easy to test in vbox apparently
[17:30] <KM0201> i know what i can do..
[17:31] <KM0201> i can just remove one of the drives in the vbox settings
[17:31] <qman__> you can mark a drive as failed with an mdadm command
[17:31] <KM0201> well, i'm assuming i "miss" that the drive is failed, that sall.
[17:32] <KM0201> or that it fails unexpectedly
[17:38] <KM0201> ok, just marked a virtual drive as failed, remooved it, shut down, deleted the drive, now i'm adding a new drive, and then i'll try to add it back to the raid
[17:42] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #830154 in samba (main) "Login timed out after 60 seconds after winbind install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/830154
[17:52] <Kainore> Hello i hope there is a good soul in here there can help me resovle a problem of mine im using vsftpd on my ubuntu server 11,04 and can connect with out problem in filezilla in my privet network but
[17:53] <Kainore> when i try to do it on the public ip i get user and pass sent in but dont get my file catalog
[17:53] <Kainore> it say "time out"
[17:53] <qman__> yes
[17:53] <qman__> that is a limitation of FTP
[17:53] <qman__> one end must not be behind a NAT
[17:54] <qman__> since almost every client is behind NAT these days, your server cannot be, or it must be worked around in your firewall
[17:54] <qman__> opening anywhere from several to thousands of ports
[17:54] <Kainore> so becouse my nat is has port forwarding i still will have problem?
[17:55] <qman__> for more details: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie
[17:55] <Kainore> thank you alot
[17:55] <qman__> it's possible, just difficult
[17:55] <qman__> and doesn't make a lot of sense when SFTP is in every way better
[17:57] <Kainore> thanks i will check it out you have helped alot allready now im siting with some idea's to solve it that i diden have before
[18:12] <BrixSat> hello :)
[18:12] <josePhoenix> Userdel won't remove a user if they're logged in.. how can I force logout a user? Would killall -u username work?
[18:13] <BrixSat> does any one here have a git repository server
[18:14] <BrixSat> i would need a tut to point me in the right way
[18:54] <josePhoenix> Any tricks for setting umask? I have a group writable directory, and I want users who create files in there to make them group-writable
[18:56] <josePhoenix> Since the purpose of these user accounts is only to edit files in said group directory, would it be okay to add "umask u=rwx,g=rwx,o=" in their bashrc?
[19:03] <KM0201> is there a way to make ubuntu continue to boot, despite a failed disk on the raid?  I keep getting a "press S or M" (skip or repair manually).. if the server is headless, obviously i won't know this when its powering up.
[19:04] <BrixSat> yes you can fix that
[19:04] <KM0201> ii know how to fix the drive, i just don't want ubuntu to halt on that error.
[19:04] <BrixSat> i had that problems a few months ago and i fixed it in fstab
[19:04] <KM0201> ok..
[19:05] <KM0201> let me bring it back up then take a look at fstab.
[19:05] <qman__> yeah, it halts boot on a degraded array by default
[19:05] <KM0201> yeah, i want to turn that off.
[19:05] <qman__> raid 1 is about the only situation you'd want to continue
[19:06] <KM0201> i use raid 1.
[19:06] <KM0201> :_)
[19:06] <qman__> it's entirely possible, I just don't know where the setting is
[19:06] <KM0201> i'm guessing in fstab, i'll check in a second
[19:07] <KM0201> cuz since i can't SSH while its booting, obviously i wouldn't be able to see that error, and know there's a problem.
[19:07] <orated> Hello, can anyone guide me to achieve this on desktop, please - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/ShareEthernetConnectionThroughWireless?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=ICS2.jpeg ?
[19:08] <KM0201> orated: so.. you have two routers?
[19:08] <KM0201> hmm, wait maybe not.
[19:09] <RoyK> orated: simple matter of iptables nat thing
[19:09] <qman__> or bridge your interfaces
[19:09] <KM0201> yup.
[19:10] <orated> I recently got Dell XPS 15 laptop which allows to connect to WiFi and also LAN
[19:10] <orated> I've never tried , so not sure
[19:10] <josePhoenix> Hmm
[19:11] <josePhoenix> I guess I'll set the umask in their bash profile
[19:11] <orated> Can anyone lnk me to some documentation for this?
[19:13] <orated> KM0201: How can I confirm you if I've two routers or not?
[19:13] <KM0201> you'd see them in your house.
[19:13] <KM0201> but i don't think thats what you're trying to do.
[19:13] <orated> I have only one DSL
[19:14] <orated> I mean D-Link modem which allows me to connect to LAN
[19:15] <orated> I've primarily connect to LAN but wish to share internet making system like a WiFi hotspot to other WiFi enabled devices at home
[19:15] <KM0201> BrixSat: what did you add to fstab, to make that stop happening, i tried "nobootwait".. which didn't do the trick.
[19:15] <orated> I read its called internet connection sharing or masquerade, if I'm right
[19:15] <josePhoenix> Hmm
[19:15] <josePhoenix> /etc/profile is maintained by the package manager, right?
[19:16] <josePhoenix> I can't override the umask in there because it'll cause conflicts when updating
[19:16] <josePhoenix> and I can't put it in /etc/profile.d/ because the umask line is the last one in /etc/profile
[19:17] <orated> RoyK: qman__: Can you guide me on bridgin interfaces? Or iptables can do what I want to try?
[19:17] <qman__> apt-get install bridge-utils
[19:17] <qman__> edit /etc/network/interfaces as root
[19:18] <qman__> add a bridge interface like so: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/natty/man5/bridge-utils-interfaces.5.html
[19:19] <KM0201> anybody interested, post#2 did the trick..  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1652587
[19:20] <orated> qman__: And, will it affect when I'm using WiFi?
[19:20] <qman__> done right, all it will do is bridge your wifi to your ethernet
[19:20] <qman__> so configuring your wifi won't affect it
[19:21] <qman__> set up ad-hoc to get the computers connected, or connect to an AP when you're elsewhere
[19:21] <orated> AP?
[19:21] <qman__> access point
[19:22] <orated> ad-hoc works only for connecting computers? It will not work for wifi enabled devices?
[19:23] <qman__> it will work for any wifi device
[19:23] <qman__> the difference is AP mode is a router providing internet access in the traditional way, ad-hoc is multiple 'client' devices just talking to each other
[19:23] <qman__> you're technically providing internet to an ad-hoc network
[19:25] <orated> ad-hoc works only for connecting computers? It will not work for wifi enabled devices??
[19:25] <orated> er
[19:25] <orated> But how is bridging helping to create an ad-hoc network
[19:26] <qman__> it isn't
[19:27] <orated> Sorry, fingers slipped on arrow keys when pressing return,..
[19:27] <orated> ah-ok
[19:27] <qman__> bridging brings your working internet connection to the ad-hoc wireless network
[19:27] <qman__> so other clients on the ad-hoc can get to the net
[19:27] <orated> So, how do I create ad-hoc network?
[19:27] <qman__> probably through network manager
[19:28] <qman__> beyond the scope of this channel, but first google hit: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Adhoc
[19:30] <orated> I'm sorry for being offtopic. I'm completely beginner on this, so, well.. I'll read more on it. Thank you.
[20:10] <bkerensa> =o
[20:28] <RoyK> -q
[21:37] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #830250 in postfix (main) "package postfix 2.8.2-1ubuntu2.1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 75" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/830250
[21:37] <oakbox> Hi all, does anyone know how I can get noip2 to run as root.  I need to to execute a script that has permission to edit root files.
[21:41] <qman__> sudo
[21:46] <oakbox> qman__, Hi, the problem is noip2 runs the script so I cant use sudo??
[21:50] <qman__> use sudo in the script
[21:50] <qman__> for the bits that require it
[22:16] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #830277 in ntp (main) "ntpdate manpage is inconsistent about threshold" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/830277
[22:39] <bernhard2> using exim4 with dovecot (its 80% functional).. i would like to setup virtual domains with virtual mailboxes. are there  any good tutorials ?
[22:43] <CrazyGir> hello! I have someone working remotely on a server who is unable to boot properly. I need to get into the system with a chroot, and we have a rescue cd, but the rescue env did not seem capable of figuring out the LVM setup
[22:43] <CrazyGir> is the rescue env aware of LVM and capable of working with it to mount the root fs?
[22:44] <tohuw> besides the lower values for GIDs, what is the functional difference between a system group (i.e., a group created with the --system option) and a non-system group?
[22:45] <CrazyGir> while I'm not 100% sure, I would hope ubuntu was playing smart and putting extra restrictions on the system user/group
[22:45] <CrazyGir> not sure though
[22:45] <CrazyGir> ddg it?
[22:46] <CrazyGir> (duckduckgo.com)
[22:52] <tohuw> I've searched around, nothing relevant has come up. Groups, unlike users, don't have explicit extra permissions based on their ID, so I'm not sure what restrictions would be needed for a group, other than making usre it has a unique GID
[22:53] <CrazyGir> well, there are also login limits, like max files and such
[22:53] <CrazyGir> but yea, I don't know
[22:53] <CrazyGir> tohuw: as ubuntu is based on debian, maybe #debian as something to say
[23:24] <CrazyGir> could someone translate this? I just tried a service networking start and received: start: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.6" (uid=1000 pid=2381 comm="start) interface="com.ubuntu.Upstart0_6.Job" member="Start" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="com.ubuntu.Upstart" (uid=0 pid=1 comm="/sbin/init))
[23:39] <wpl> When setting up ip_tables i get this error: "can't initialize iptables table `raw': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?)". What do I have to do?
[23:40] <lickalott> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1746390
[23:41] <wpl> lickalott: Already did it. A 'sudo modinfo ip_tables' gives: "modinfo: could not open /lib/modules/2.6.18-028stab092.1/modules.dep".
[23:46] <lickalott> are you root?
[23:47] <lickalott> better question are you in the sudousers file?
[23:48] <wpl> lickalott: i am. The requested file does not exist on my system.
[23:49] <lickalott> wait 2
[23:49] <lickalott> lemme check mine
[23:50] <wpl> but i have a moduldes.deb in '/lib/modules/2.6.18-028stab064.8/'
[23:51] <wpl> why does modinfo look for a non-existing '/lib/...stab092.1'?
[23:54] <lickalott> mine show up as 2.6.38-8-generic-pae
[23:55] <lickalott> whats inside your modules dir?
[23:56] <wpl> modules.alias   modules.ieee1394map  modules.ofmap     modules.symbols
[23:56] <wpl> modules.ccwmap  modules.inputmap     modules.pcimap    modules.usbmap
[23:56] <wpl> modules.dep     modules.isapnpmap    modules.seriomap
[23:57] <wpl> the problem is that 'modprobe', 'insmod' etc. are looking for the wrong directory
[23:57] <lickalott> just found this - http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9967579&postcount=12
[23:58] <lickalott> thinking maybe you can edit that file for the proper path.


[00:00] <seamus123> http://www.disklessthinclients.com/secure/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=51
[00:00] <stgraber> indeed, I saw some thin clients at interesting price on ebay
[00:01] <seamus123> I guess still quite expensive compared with buying a full on dell or equivalent low end system
[00:01] <pygi> HedgeMage !
[00:02] <stgraber> just make sure to ask on #ltsp before making any thin clients order, there are people with great experience of thin clients hardware who will be able to tell you if it's a good idea or not to buy a specific thin client
[00:02] <seamus123> Thanks for tthe tip stgraber
[00:02] <seamus123> appreciated
[00:06] <seamus123> ~$ apt-cache search italc
[00:06] <seamus123> italc-client - Intelligent Teaching and Learning with Computers
[00:06] <seamus123> italc-master - Intelligent Teaching and Learning with Computers
[00:06] <seamus123> in the repos already>?
[00:06] <seamus123> stable?
[00:06] <stgraber> it's a buddy 1.0.2 I guess
[00:06] <stgraber> *buggy
[00:07] <stgraber> crashing as soon as you try to start a VNC connection
[00:07] <seamus123> ahh the aforementioned bug you're ironing out ;)
[00:07] <stgraber> are you running gutsy i386 or amd64 ?
[00:08] <stgraber> nope, mine is just in the demo mode, other VNC interactions (viewing and taking control) work fine here
[00:08] <seamus123> running 7.10 (downloaded this morning) in VM ware on 1386
[00:09] <stgraber> ok, so building an italc 1.0.4 for gutsy i386 now, will take like 10minutes
[00:09] <stgraber> this one should work without any crash except if you try to enter "demo" mode, viewing screen, taking control, locking, logging out, .. everything else should work fine
[00:09] <seamus123> hmm ok
[00:10] <seamus123> so from a client perspective it should be fine i.e. my thin client boots over PXE as it does now, but I'd use iTalc instead of TCM to manage it?
[00:10] <stgraber> yes
[00:11] <stgraber> italc doesn't require x11vnc, so you wouldn't have to change the chroot if using italc
[00:11] <seamus123> ok
[00:11] <seamus123> installing now
[00:11] <seamus123> where/why would you install the client component ?
[00:12] <stgraber> italc is made of two part : ica which is the client part must run on both the clients (students in my case) and on the master (teacher in my case)
[00:12] <stgraber> then "italc" itself is the tacher part and is run only on the teacher computer
[00:12] <stgraber> access is restricted by unix groups (you have public and private keys, the one who can read the private keys is the teacher)
[00:13] <stgraber> so you basically run "ica" by default for everyone, then only the teacher (admin group) can run italc and connect to the clients
[00:13] <seamus123> running italc from the command line after installing gave me all the errors about no student comps online and no keys generated either
[00:13] <seamus123> so looks like time for me to dive into the online manual!
[00:14] <stgraber> yes, gutsy's package isn't that good :)
[00:14] <stgraber> my package generates the keys at installation time
[00:14] <seamus123> available on a daily snapshot anywhere?
[00:14] <stgraber> I'm uploading a gutsy i386 package just now
[00:15] <seamus123> ah
[00:15] <stgraber> http://www.stgraber.org/download/italc-gutsy/
[00:16] <stgraber> I haven't tested them, they finished building 30s ago and I no longer have gutsy computers except my servers
[00:23] <seamus123> installing now
[00:24] <seamus123> LOL it kindly advised me to install the old version from the repos ;)
[00:25] <stgraber> you should install them in that order : libitalc, italc-client, italc-master
[00:25] <stgraber> or : sudo dpkg -i *.deb && sudo apt-get -f install
[00:25] <stgraber> which will solve the various dependency issues (installing missing packages if any)
[00:26] <seamus123> yeah got round that, all installed
[00:26] <stgraber> if you run : ica -role teacher
[00:26] <stgraber> and then : italc
[00:26] <stgraber> you should have the teacher UI
[00:27] <seamus123> hmm ran that command but nothing happened
[00:28] <stgraber> ica -role teach is some kind of daemon so will only stop when it crashes
[00:28] <stgraber> s/teach/teacher/
[00:28] <stgraber> so just start this one in a console and open another to run : italc
[00:29] <seamus123> ok
[00:29] <seamus123> Ahh there's the QT goodness ;) LOL
[00:30] <seamus123> Reminds me (lovingly) of Amarok!
[00:30] <stgraber> you can run : "ica -noshm -ivsport 10000 -isdport 11000" on the client
[00:30] <seamus123> so I need these three packages also installed on my thin client right? (well perhaps not the master one)
[00:31] <stgraber> then create a classroom and add a new client with : <IP_ADDRESS>:10000 as address
[00:31] <seamus123> ah - you pre-empted me
[00:31] <stgraber> nope, you just need them on the server, nothing to install in the chroot
[00:32] <stgraber> as the gnome session you see on the client is the gnome installed on the server, only low-level things are installed in the chroot (initscripts, some system binaries and X basically)
[00:33] <seamus123> sorry, ica -noshm -ivsport 10000 -isdport 11000 needs to be run on the server right, not the thin client?
[00:33] <seamus123> thinclient didn't recognise the ica command when I attempted it
[00:33] <stgraber> try opening a gnome-terminal on the thin client (virtual in your case) and run the ica thing, it should work
[00:34] <seamus123> Hmm that's what I did
[00:34] <seamus123> got this:
[00:34] <seamus123> Unrecognised commmandline-argument -sdport
[00:34] <seamus123> ahh typo!!
[00:34] <seamus123> my bad
[00:34] <stgraber> :)
[00:35] <seamus123> ok ran that anda dded the classroom on the same address in classroom manager
[00:36] <seamus123> I've added the classroom
[00:36] <seamus123> do I manually need to add the computer?
[00:36] <seamus123> or should it be able to see it?
[00:36] <stgraber> yes
[00:37] <stgraber> you have to add it by hand, address = <IP_ADDRESS>:10000
[00:37] <stgraber> I have some scripts here that generates the config file automatically but that's for the next version of the package
[00:38] <seamus123> ok - added, but it says host unreachable
[00:38] <seamus123> hmm
[00:38] <seamus123> actually it's seeing itself again
[00:38] <seamus123> perhaps I entered the wrong IP for thinclient
[00:38] <seamus123> double chekcing
[00:39] <stgraber> did you specify <IP_ADDRESS>:10000 (not the :10000 which is the ivsport of the client)
[00:39] <stgraber> s/not/note/
[00:40]  * stgraber is doing more and more typos ... looks like it's time to consider going to bed :)
[00:40] <seamus123> hmm I added a classroom with address of "<IP_ADDRESS>:10000"
[00:40] <seamus123> and then added a computer to the classroom with the same address
[00:41] <stgraber> ok, you could have called your classroom any other name, it doesn't matter. Though it's strange you don't see the client as it should be listening on :10000
[00:41] <stgraber> but as I said I haven't tried on Gutsy (7.10), maybe the fixes I did for Hardy (8.04) broke the VNC part for Gutsy (QT version change and funny things like that)
[00:43] <seamus123> $ ica -role teacher
[00:43] <seamus123> [warning] isdConnection::readFromServer(): connection failed: 0
[00:43] <seamus123> [warning] demoServer::updaterThread::run(): could not connect to local IVS!
[00:43] <seamus123> [warning] isdConnection::open(): unable to connect to server on client <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:43] <seamus123> [warning] demoServer::updaterThread::run(): could not connect to local IVS!
[00:43] <seamus123> [warning] QProcess: Destroyed while process is still running.
[00:45] <stgraber> hmm, yes it looks like either some kind of safe guard (as it thinks you are going to enter a loop) or a bug in QT ...
[00:45] <seamus123> I think it could be weirdism with the VM IP's to be honest
[00:45] <seamus123> on the thin client I have two IP:
[00:46] <stgraber> it's something I'll have to investigate (as I have a test classroom using it on Gutsy), but hmm, it's bed time here :)
[00:46] <seamus123> <IP_ADDRESS>.
[00:46] <seamus123> and <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:46] <seamus123> when I enter both of those into italc as the client IP it only shows the master screen
[00:46] <seamus123> not the thin client
[00:47] <stgraber> and adding :10000 doesn't help I guess ? (without any specified port number, it means you own ica which then shows your own screen)
[00:50] <seamus123> http://asksanta.co.nz/italc.png
[00:51] <seamus123> ha! Just looked at your homepage - I was actually viewing this on the w/e when I was searching for Ubuntu teacher tools!
[00:52] <seamus123> and now I'm talkig to you! how v. cool
[00:52] <seamus123> I was actually trying to go to switzerland for 2008
[00:52] <seamus123> biut was dependent on my wife getting a job as a dentist there
[00:52] <seamus123> SSO.ch helped, but didn't eventuate in the end :()
[00:52] <seamus123> would have loved to have spent a year there!
[00:53] <stgraber> hmm, maybe just try to close italc and open it again
[00:53] <stgraber> in case it's one of those weird config thing I already had (their XML handler isn't so good actually)
[00:54] <seamus123> yeah same issue - restarted italc, sees the two comps (different IP) but both showing the master screen
[00:54] <seamus123> will put it down to the VM trickery
[00:54] <seamus123> shame, looks like a good app and I'll definitely be keeping an eye on it!
[00:55] <seamus123> YOu say it will be bundled in place of TCM in hardy?
[00:55] <stgraber> yes
[00:55] <seamus123> v.good!
[00:56] <stgraber> TCM is unmaintained since feisty (7.04) (Pete is lacking of time), so we preferred to choose an already existing tool and integrating it rather than writting our own
[00:56] <seamus123> understandable
[00:58] <pygi> forgive me, but what will be in instead of TCM?:P
[00:58] <pygi> (I didn't listen :P)
[00:59] <stgraber> italc
[00:59] <pygi> somebody inform me of what that is :)
[00:59] <stgraber> http://italc.sf.net
[00:59] <stgraber> an existing tool done in C++ and using QT, running on both Windows and Linux (MacOS is on the roadmap)
[01:00] <pygi> well, seems more mature then TCM for sure :p
[01:00] <stgraber> not hard :)
[01:00] <pygi> weird UI tho
[01:00] <pygi> yea, that's why I said it :p
[01:00] <stgraber> yes, that's a Windows-like UI done using QT ... ogra hates it and so do I :)
[01:01] <pygi> stgraber, fork and write new UI :p
[01:01] <stgraber> I'll try to make it a bit more Linux friendly :) (we already turned of some help balloons which were really annoying)
[01:01] <stgraber> hmm, I'm not good at QT neither am I at C++
[01:01] <pygi> you learn =)
[01:01] <stgraber> I'm more a python/gtk guy ...
[01:01] <seamus123> would it be possible to change the GUI to be more gnome like?
[01:01] <pygi> stgraber, split the backend part, bind it in python, and create pygtk interface =)
[01:02] <pygi> seamus123, just discussing :P
[01:02] <pygi> but in theory, hard
[01:02] <stgraber> well, that would mean moving from QT to GTK which isn't really easy
[01:02] <seamus123> ko
[01:02] <seamus123> ok
[01:02] <stgraber> and our goal was to patch an upstream release, but with patch <80% of the code :)
[01:02] <pygi> :P
[01:02] <stgraber> it's QT thing everywhere in his code, so that would mean a really massive rewrite
[01:03] <stgraber> he's moving some part of the code into a library, so maybe one day ...
[01:03] <pygi> this UI seems really bad :-/
[01:03] <pygi> it's like ... designed for a computer, instead of a user
[01:04] <stgraber> yes, and there are some funny bugs like huge UTF-8 misdetection (funny when you have First/Last name with special chars in them)
[01:04] <pygi> it's not QT that's problem IMHO ... UI itself is the problem ;P
[01:05] <stgraber> it's done for Windows users
[01:05] <seamus123> LOL
[01:05] <stgraber> and most Windows tools like italc have UI really similar to italc's
[01:05] <stgraber> (I have GenevaLogic's Vision or NetOP school in mind)
[01:06] <pygi> yup, saw NetOp
[01:06] <pygi> NetOp is nicer then this tho
[01:06] <pygi> stgraber, why dont you take over that tool we had?
[01:06] <stgraber> I'm spending 90% of my free time working on the Ubuntu QA website
[01:07] <pygi> ah, no idea what that is yet so ... :P
[01:07] <stgraber> so I have done a reworked version of TCM handling VNC in a better way, working with screenshots for preview and so on, but it's still the usual problem, we would need someone to work on that :)
[01:07] <stgraber> and using italc make integration in schools easier as some of them are already using it on Windows
[01:08] <pygi> and using italc makes users cry :P
[01:08] <stgraber> https://iso.qa.stgraber.org for instance, that's the ISO Testing tracker
[01:08] <pygi> ah, I know that, yes
[01:08] <pygi> nice work on that
[01:08] <stgraber> or http://iso.test.stgraber.org for the version I'm currently working on (with a uhm... huge todolist)
[01:09] <pygi> btw. django, turbogears, what?
[01:09] <stgraber> drupal
[01:11] <pygi> joy ;P
[01:11] <pygi> php :)
[01:11] <pygi> you can do such evil things out of php? :P
[01:11] <pygi> how? :)
[01:12] <pygi> ergh, I meant drupal
[01:12] <stgraber> yes, you can :)
[01:13] <stgraber> but it doesn't use much drupal functions except for the user management part :)
[01:13] <pygi> :P
[01:13] <pygi> thought so :)
[01:13]  * pygi wonders how easy would it be to do a rails/merb prototype of the same
[01:14] <pygi> not too hard if I had the template, I suck at css and stuff :P
[01:14] <stgraber> so do I, that's why we love the ubuntu-art guys and the official ubuntu theme :)
[01:15] <pygi> :D
[01:15] <pygi> stgraber, you know at least a tiny bit of ruby?
[01:15] <pygi> we could try to prototype new version there if your version is not ready :)
[01:16] <stgraber> well, the new version is to be released next week :) (should be on-line by the 10th)
[01:16] <pygi> we can do it in 3 days :P
[01:16] <pygi> so it's faster :p
[01:17] <pygi> (just a joke ... you're rocking ;))
[01:18] <stgraber> if I didn't have to do it in php at the first place, I would certainly have done it in python or eventually ruby (I don't know if Canonical's sysadmin like ruby but they surely hate php :))
[01:19] <pygi> why did you had to do it in php? :p
[01:19] <stgraber> because I was doing it at school while my classmates were studying php
[01:19] <pygi> :D :D :D :D :D
[01:20] <pygi> nice :P
[01:20] <pygi> well, once new release is out we can talk about porting to ruby :)
[01:20] <pygi> (or python, but I'm learning ruby now so it's more fun :P)
[01:21] <pygi> now time to go to sleep, I gotta get up in 3.5 hours
[01:21] <pygi> happy new year :)
[01:21] <stgraber> hehe, so do I ... CET time ..
[01:21] <stgraber> happy new year to you to
[01:21] <pygi> yup xD
[01:21] <pygi> 2:21AM :p
[01:21] <stgraber> yeah
[01:22] <pygi> haha :D
[01:22] <seamus123> well, new's year is only 10hrs away for me!
[01:22] <pygi> good night :)
[01:22] <seamus123> NZST!
[01:22] <pygi> seamus123, go party :P
[01:22] <seamus123> you too - enjoy
[01:22] <pygi> or write us a new tool supported on all major platforms :p
[01:22]  * pygi is out
[01:22] <stgraber> :)
[01:23]  * stgraber too
[01:23] <seamus123> thanks again for your help
[17:22] <subopt> Where can i find the detailed package listings for edubuntu?


[09:48] <laney> sorry ddstreet mapreri rbasak, I ended up unable to get to the computer
[09:50] <laney> I'm good with being removed. I only wanted to turn up to give my Opinions on the brokenness of the process and say that I probably wouldn't be able to help actually implementing any changes though.
[09:59] <rbasak> laney: thanks. FWIW, the process discussion got deferred to the next meeting.
[09:59] <laney> yeah, I saw
[09:59] <laney> I'll chip in if I'm there
[10:00] <laney> well, a more asynchronous forum would probably be good for that, like discourse
[14:58] <bdmurray> o/
[14:59] <dbungert> o/
[14:59] <sil2100> Too early!
[15:00] <ginggs> o/
[15:00] <sil2100> o/
[15:00] <schopin> o/
[15:00] <slyon> o/
[15:00] <bdmurray> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
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[15:00] <waveform> o/
[15:00] <bdmurray> #topic Lightning Round
[15:00] <mclemenceau> o/
[15:00] <bdmurray> echo $(shuf -e vorlon bdmurray doko sil2100 mwhudson juliank waveform slyon jawn-smith dbungert xypron ginggs schopin alexghiti)
[15:00] <bdmurray> waveform jawn-smith ginggs bdmurray mwhudson sil2100 alexghiti vorlon juliank doko dbungert slyon schopin xypron
[15:01] <waveform> * Investigated (with sil2100's assistance) image build failure for Pi impish images
[15:01] <waveform> * Added fix to pi-gadget (classic branch) for impish images, cherry-picked to desktop, and 22-arm{hf,64} branches
[15:01] <waveform> * Working on ISO testing generator for pi test cases
[15:01] <waveform> * Uploaded rtimulib, python-sense-hat, sense-hat packages to deb mentors
[15:01] <waveform> * Finished updating sense-emu package
[15:01] <waveform> * Pi meetings
[15:01] <waveform> (done)
[15:01] <jawn-smith> * glib2.0 proposed migration
[15:01] <jawn-smith> * pango proposed migration
[15:01] <jawn-smith> * Investigate FTBFS failures (segmentation faults) on golang packages on ppc64el
[15:01] <jawn-smith>     * Known upstream issue, resolved by golang 1.16.7 in -release
[15:01] <jawn-smith>     * While it's resolved for built packages, this is likely to cause headaches with packages built before kernel 5.13 trying to run on kernel 5.13. This includes snaps.
[15:01] <jawn-smith> * openssh proposed-migration
[15:01] <jawn-smith>     * I've now ruled out the cgroups hybrid vs unified issue, and am chasing down a theory about security.nesting in the lxc
[15:01] <jawn-smith>     * This is also blocked by snapd issues                                                                            * More field engineer support for image customization process
[15:01] <jawn-smith> * Applied for core-dev, but the DMB wasn't able to vote due to the holiday. Trying again 9/20.
[15:01] <jawn-smith> [done]
[15:02] <bdmurray> ginggs:
[15:02] <ginggs> * finished +1 Maintenance and wrote report
[15:02] <ginggs>   - 2 items still oustanding for an archive admin to look at: LP: #1937070 and LP: #1942607
[15:02] <ginggs> * looking at mdadm 4.2(~rc?) for focal, found LP: #1890248 and fixed tag
[15:02] <ginggs> * fuse3 for s390-tools LP: #1935666, need to update the PR
[15:02] <ginggs> * sponsoring LP: #1938582 and LP: #1940453 for xypron
[15:02] <ginggs> (done)
[15:02] <bdmurray> submit firewall change for access to the Error Tracker in PS5
[15:02] <bdmurray> debugging vip-manager autopkgtests w/ dbungert
[15:02] <bdmurray> sponsored vip-manager for dbungert with an autopkgtest fix
[15:02] <bdmurray> fixed a crash in sru-report, cowboyed the change on snakefruit
[15:02] <bdmurray> uploaded python-apt, ubuntu-release-upgrader for bionic point release
[15:02] <bdmurray> uploaded impish bug fix for LP: #1938043 and a Focal SRU for it
[15:02] <bdmurray> wrote an SRU test case for LP: #1938043
[15:02] <bdmurray> helped with glibc migration
[15:03] <bdmurray> SRU reviews
[15:03] <bdmurray> testing of Error Tracker in PS5
[15:03] <bdmurray> 360 work
[15:03] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[15:03] <bdmurray> sil2100:
[15:03] <sil2100> * SRU reviews and releases
[15:03] <sil2100> * Ubuntu Core discussions
[15:03] <sil2100> * 18.04.6:
[15:03] <sil2100>   - Prepared tracking document, started working on prep tasks
[15:03] <sil2100>   - Prepared base-files, debian-installer, ubiquity
[15:03] <sil2100>   - Reviewed other packages that Brian prepared
[15:03] <sil2100>   - Coordination with the kernel team
[15:03] <sil2100>   - A few roundtrips to the snapd team to get it releasable for bionic
[15:03] <sil2100>   - Re-enabling bionic daily builds, cdimage changes
[15:03] <sil2100> * Work on cdimage bits:
[15:03] <sil2100>   - Simplestreams
[15:03] <sil2100>   - Looking into if we can easily enable Ubuntu Core isotracker rebuilds
[15:03] <sil2100> * Sent out info about ESM britney in production, work on documentation
[15:03] <sil2100> * Mentoring here and there
[15:03] <sil2100> * 360
[15:04] <sil2100> * Started looking into make_disk for ubuntu-image
[15:04] <sil2100> * Looking into failing image builds for impish raspi
[15:04] <sil2100> * Gathering some feedback for a meeting with LP about core bootstrapping
[15:04] <sil2100> * Additional NEW reviews for xilinx
[15:04] <sil2100> * Thinking and discussing propositions for better coordination in the release team
[15:04] <sil2100> (done)
[15:04] <alexghiti> * Still onboarding
[15:04] <alexghiti> * Sort/fix packages that fail to build on riscv64
[15:04] <alexghiti> * Sort/fix packages that fail to install on riscv64
[15:04] <alexghiti> (done)
[15:04] <bdmurray> vorlon:
[15:05] <vorlon>  * short week, Monday was a US holiday
[15:05] <vorlon>  * finding a workaround for my longstanding laptop stability issue (LP: #1939349)
[15:05] <vorlon>  * discussions around proposed-migration for ESM
[15:05] <vorlon>  * NEW reviews
[15:05] <vorlon>  * 360 reviews
[15:05] <vorlon> (done)
[15:05] <sil2100> vorlon: oh, proposed migration for ESM? Using the security-britney infrastructure?
[15:06] <juliank> * apt:
[15:06] <juliank>   - reviewed merge requests 183, 184; merged former
[15:06] <juliank>   - changed error handling for failed delay item restart
[15:06] <juliank>   - released 2.3.9
[15:06] <juliank> * sponsored libuv1 for schopin
[15:06] <juliank> * uploaded shim 15.4-0ubuntu9 SRU to bionic
[15:06] <juliank> * was out Wednesday
[15:06] <juliank> * 360 WIP
[15:06] <juliank> (done)
[15:06] <doko> - python3.10 rc2
[15:06] <doko> - GCC 11, GCC 10, GCC 9 updates
[15:06] <doko> - 360
[15:06] <doko> (DONE)
[15:06] <dbungert> 4 day week
[15:06] <dbungert> * curl vs vip-manager LP: #1942375 - hint declined.  Did test PRs with
[15:06] <dbungert> a PPA to get more data on test environment, added patch to address
[15:06] <dbungert> what was found.  Patch uploaded (thanks bdmurray) and sent upstream
[15:06] <dbungert> (vip-manager PR #76) and to debian (debbugs: #993620).  With this,
[15:06] <dbungert> curl finally migrated.
[15:06] <dbungert> * curtin - change jenkins config so that I get build failure
[15:06] <dbungert> notifications, submit and get merged a MP to fix build failures
[15:06] <dbungert> * subiquity - get a pubsub PR unstuck and merged
[15:06] <dbungert> * subiquity / u-d-i - test autoinstall against the desktop image.  It
[15:06] <dbungert> does work there, but the UI doesn't know anything about it.  After
[15:06] <dbungert> discussion, plan for now is to disable autoinstall on the Desktop
[15:06] <dbungert> image until u-d-i is ready to handle that.
[15:06] <dbungert> * snapd vs several things - there appear to be 3 distinct problems:
[15:06] <dbungert> 1) failure to compile golang during test - presumed fixed by the
[15:06] <dbungert> latest stable go snap
[15:06] <dbungert> 2) mksquashfs failures during test - snapd was reliant upon loading
[15:06] <dbungert> libgcc_s from the host for this.  I tracked this down (LP: 1943077),
[15:06] <dbungert> mwhudson fixed it, PR merged on snapd snap, retested edge snap and
[15:06] <dbungert> this is working.
[15:06] <dbungert> 3) confinement failures - current snapd will not consider cgroups v2
[15:07] <dbungert> to meet the criteria for strict confinement.   This may continue to
[15:07] <dbungert> be a blocking issue for systemd > 248.3-1ubuntu3.
[15:07] <dbungert> Conclusion - once we have the snapd snap with the mksquashfs on
[15:07] <dbungert> the snapd stable channel, or can 'trigger' with that snap, retests
[15:07] <dbungert> that DON'T trigger with systemd 248.3-1ubuntu7 should work.
[15:07] <dbungert> (done)
[15:07] <slyon> - short week
[15:07] <slyon> - working through vacation backlog
[15:07] <slyon> - interviews & take-home tests
[15:07] <slyon> - 360s
[15:07] <slyon> - cleaning up unfinished/broken wlroots transition (sway vs phoc)
[15:07] <slyon> - systemd proposed-migration: retries, hint, lxc investigation, bug #1943121
[15:07] <slyon> - reviewing & sponsoring s390-tools[-signed] for fheimes, bug #1938947
[15:07] <slyon>   needs queue review for signing: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/impish/+queue?queue_state=1
[15:07] <slyon> - Fixing a dbus dependency deadlock during loop, bug #1936948
[15:07] <slyon> - discussions around MIR team
[15:07] <slyon> [15:07] <slyon> - triaged some bugs, LP: #1942930, LP: #1943110
[15:07] <slyon> - netplan SRUs for Hirsute/Focal/Bionic, bug #1938920, bug #1926442
[15:07] <slyon> - reviewed many PRs on Github and merged some
[15:07] <slyon> (done)
[15:07] <schopin> * localechooser: investigate FTBFS, which turned out in the end to be a simple infrastructure
[15:07] <schopin>   failure to understand noudeb profiles.
[15:07] <schopin> * Brushed up on my TLS/SSL knowledge in preparation of working on openssl 1.1.1l merge
[15:07] <schopin> * scilab: worked on LP: #1870813 and investigating a mesa-related failure once it's fixed
[15:07] <schopin> (done)
[15:08] <bdmurray> xypron:
[15:08] <xypron> Rebased my golang work on current Impish I was overtaken (LP #1936664)
[15:08] <xypron> Adjusted build dpendencies for ubuntu-report (LP #1943146)
[15:08] <xypron> Some shim patches needed on the road to RISC-V support were accepted upstream https://github.com/rhboot/shim/commits?author=xypron
[15:08] <xypron> Resubmitted U-Boot patches upstream needed for powering off HiFive Unmatched via SBI.
[15:08] <xypron> I am currently looking into what is missing in upstream oprofile.

[15:08] <bdmurray> are there any questions on status?
[15:09] <bdmurray> okay moving on then
[15:09] <bdmurray> #topic Release Incoming Bugs
[15:09] <bdmurray> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ii-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[15:10] <bdmurray> bug 1871538 seems familiar
[15:10] <slyon> it's already carded
[15:12] <bdmurray> since it already has a card there's not much for us to do here
[15:12] <bdmurray> but we may want to move it up in the backlog or to selected for development
[15:12] <bdmurray> bug 1942603
[15:13] <schopin> "ubiquity - manual partitioning; edit partition & cannot select/do anything"
[15:14] <bdmurray> this seems worth confirming
[15:15] <bdmurray> so let's target and card it
[15:15] <bdmurray> bug 1943049
[15:16] <bdmurray> juliank: can you give us the tldr on this?
[15:16] <juliank> same as last time
[15:16] <juliank> docker seccomp filter somehow still defaults to EPERM instead of ENOSYS for unknown syscalls
[15:17] <juliank> There's a workaround for docker
[15:17] <juliank> And like the upstream patch which explicitly marks clone3 as ENOSYS
[15:17] <juliank> We had the same issue last glibc release, it was supposed to be fixed now
[15:17] <bdmurray> In terms of Foundations there is nothing for us to do though?
[15:18] <juliank> We could revert the use of clone3() in glibc to avoid triggering the issue while container runtimes are being fixed
[15:18] <juliank> it's like 10 lines to ifdef out
[15:19] <juliank> Then remove that at start of 22.04 cycle
[15:19] <bdmurray> You said same as last time earlier do you recall what we did last time?
[15:20] <juliank> I don't have links
[15:21] <juliank> glibc 2.33 needed similar container fixes
[15:21] <bdmurray> okay, let's target and card it
[15:21] <bdmurray> bug 1943109
[15:22] <bdmurray> schopin: is there already a card for this?
[15:22] <juliank> happy to sponsor
[15:22] <juliank> :D
[15:22] <schopin> No, not yet
[15:22] <bdmurray> is it worth carding or can y'all just do it?
[15:23] <juliank> MoM seems to do it itself
[15:23] <bdmurray> bug 1925314
[15:24] <schopin> juliank: are you volunteering for the FFe filing as well? :D
[15:24] <bdmurray> schopin: you said it was just a bug fix!
[15:24] <juliank> schopin: none needed, just bug fixes :)
[15:24] <bdmurray> ;-)
[15:25] <bdmurray> it looks like the casper bug is affecting xubuntu and lubuntu
[15:25] <schopin> OK so basically I can upload (well, convince y'all to upload) whatever as long as I say it's bugfixes?
[15:25] <bdmurray> I'll ask about ubuntu
[15:26] <bdmurray> Well they are watching us
[15:26] <juliank> schopin: if you can convince us it's bugfixes yes :)
[15:26] <bdmurray> bug 1940635
[15:26] <slyon> there is a fix pending for this in systemd in -proposed
[15:26] <schopin> hasn't this been fixed?
[15:26] <bdmurray> okay then let's remove the tag
[15:26] <slyon> I just marked the glibc package as invalid
[15:27] <dbungert> will that systemd be able to migrate though before cgroupsv2 / snapd is resolved?
[15:27] <slyon> I don't think so
[15:27] <slyon> unless we do some hinting..
[15:28] <slyon> there is currently another lxc failure blocking systemd that I'm investigating. If that one is resolved we might convince the release team to hint the snapd test.
[15:31] <bdmurray> #link https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-hh-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[15:32] <bdmurray> no bugs!
[15:32] <bdmurray> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[15:33] <bdmurray> bug 1942648
[15:33] <bdmurray> This has a patch and I'd imagine it also affects Impish
[15:35] <bdmurray> let's go ahead and target and card it
[15:35] <bdmurray> bug 1939986
[15:37] <bdmurray> that looks more like something for the kernel team
[15:38] <bdmurray> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[15:38] <bdmurray> #link http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[15:38] <bdmurray> vorlon:
[15:39] <vorlon> boost1.74 - there was a comment in the notes last week that I was looking at this, but I wasn't, I was only looking at boost1.71 (which is now resolved, and as of today, removed from impish).  Who wants to look at boost1.74?
[15:39] <vorlon> ginggs: you did the latest autopkgtest retry, do you want to dig into this?
[15:39] <ginggs> vorlon: ok
[15:39] <vorlon> thanks
[15:39] <ginggs> for my sins
[15:40] <vorlon> apt vs devscripts - logs say juliank was on this. juliank do you want to keep it?
[15:40] <juliank> vorlon: yeah, well, will disappear anyway with 2.3.9 for a bit
[15:40]  * juliank goes sync that
[15:40] <vorlon> juliank: ok
[15:41] <vorlon> squashfs-tools, dbungert has been working on it and has posted some analysis; one thing I notice is that the autopkgtest failure only happens on ppc64el, which is also the arch where vdso changes have (temporarily?) broken golang.  But since this involves libgcc_s it looks like that's just coincidence
[15:41] <vorlon> dbungert: are you ok to drive squashfs-tools?
[15:42] <dbungert> vorlon: I think it makes sense.  I think squashfs-tools is a bystander here and that we understand the underlying bugs.
[15:42] <vorlon> (it might just be we have to hint it since the fix is in snapd)
[15:42] <vorlon> right
[15:43] <vorlon> openssh has snapd test failures on more architectures, and also its own autopkgtest failing on armhf
[15:43] <vorlon> who can take this?
[15:43] <dbungert> I suspect it's related to the above
[15:43] <vorlon> jawn-smith: you merged it, is this yours?
[15:43] <jawn-smith> I'm working openssh
[15:43] <vorlon> ok
[15:43] <jawn-smith> the snapd failures are indeed the same as dbungert mentioned
[15:44] <jawn-smith> the openssh armhf failure is... weird
[15:44] <slyon> jawn-smith: you should try/trigger openssh vs snapd without systemd from -proposed, that will avoid the confinement failure
[15:44] <vorlon> systemd: this is blocked until snapd supports cgroupsv2 AIUI
[15:44] <slyon> yes. I'm working on those failures
[15:44] <slyon> lxc/bilibop
[15:45] <jawn-smith> slyon: thanks, I'll do that
[15:45] <vorlon> got it, systemd --> slyon
[15:45] <vorlon> and then grub2 is hanging out in -proposed, anyone know why it's not migrating? (juliank)
[15:45] <juliank> vorlon: I uploaded grub2-signed wrong, I'll go fix
[15:45] <vorlon> ok
[15:46] <vorlon> then that's the list
[15:46] <vorlon> thanks
[15:46] <vorlon> bdmurray:
[15:46] <bdmurray> #topic AOB
[15:46] <doko> https://people.canonical.com/~doko/ftbfs-report/test-rebuild-20210805-impish-impish.html#foundations-bugs
[15:46] <doko> still six ftbfs
[15:47] <dbungert> grep - I need a new sponsor.  I spoke to my sponsor today and I think they are a bit swamped.
[15:47] <vorlon> I'll look at sponsoring it today
[15:47] <dbungert> vorlon: thanks!
[15:47] <schopin> localechooser isn't related to GCC11, it's a false negative
[15:47] <schopin> libuv1 has been sponsored earlier this week
[15:47] <vorlon> localechooser is also "failed to build, no regression"?
[15:48] <doko> right
[15:48] <schopin> m4 is just waiting for a sponsor.
[15:48] <vorlon> doko: right, so libuv1 is fixed in release, is it worth regenerating the report?
[15:49] <bdmurray> I can look at m4
[15:49] <doko> yes, currently running
[15:50] <vorlon> and then openssh is in -proposed
[15:50] <vorlon> so looks like we're covered
[15:50]  * juliank waits for anonster to work again: while ! test -e grub2-signed_1.173_source.ubuntu.upload; do timeout 30s dput grub2-signed_1.173_source.changes ; sleep 30; done
[15:51] <bdmurray> anything else?
[15:52] <bdmurray> thanks everybody
[15:52] <bdmurray> #endmeeting
[15:52] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 15:52:43 UTC.  Minutes at https://new.ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2021/ubuntu-meeting.2021-09-09-15.00.moin.txt
[15:52] <jawn-smith> o/
[15:52] <schopin> o/
[15:52] <slyon> o/
[15:53] <mclemenceau> o/
[15:54] <sil2100> o/
[21:35] <crazyfrog> when is the next meeting in vienna, or can i help organizing


[02:12] <shibi> Hi, I'm new here and a noob with linux, but I'm running now for the first time lubuntu 18.04 and I'm having a problem with dual display options.
[02:13] <shibi> It doesn't have any options to get an extended dual screen experience beside the mirrored thing?
[02:15] <shibi> I already searched about screen/display/dual on repositories and inside the software app
[02:16] <shibi> I can't find something to switch between one or another and also, my FN+F5 key doesn't work.
[06:54] <Guest80082> sir how my lubuntu os like a mac
[06:56] <Guest80082> sir help me
[22:05] <luisfrps> test


 Forgot to pay it for the next month, and it's Easter, so nothing is working. Why can't they make automated on-line paying system...
[01:34] <fta> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=407211#c10
[01:34] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 407211 in Administration "Update service needs tests to verify processing of AppOs" [Normal,Assigned]
[01:48] <Jazzva> jetsaredim suggested that Mozilla Extensions team needs an icon. I'll set up a temporary wiki page for the icon suggestions, how should it represent the team, ... , and leave a notice on the team's page. Sounds good? :)
[01:49] <fta> yep
[01:52] <fta> http://mindforks.blogspot.com/2008/04/firebug-12-alpha-on-ff3.html
[02:02] <Jazzva> What's the one we have? Ubuntu version is 1.2~b21+svn..., is that 1.2.0a21 or something else?
[02:03] <Jazzva> And can Mozilla Extensions use some of Mozilla logos? Just to put a notice, if it can't.
[02:04] <fta> donno, ask [reed] :)
[02:04] <Jazzva> [reed]: ^^ :)
[02:04] <Volans> Jazzva: for the logo I have an idea... the mozillateam logo (firefox logo) with the puzzle logo of extensions that is in the addon window in firefox
[02:05] <Volans> if you wait 10 minutes I can made a draft version
[02:05] <Jazzva> Volans: Of the logo? :)
[02:05] <Volans> yes
[02:06] <Jazzva> Sure, just put it on wiki page :).
[02:08] <Volans> you think I can use the FF extension logo or is better a GPL alternative?
[02:09] <Jazzva> Dunno ... http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/policy.html and http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/faq.html were not helpful...
[02:09] <Volans> but here https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam .... ?
[02:10] <Jazzva> FF and TB and stuff are official Mozilla products, most of the extensions aren't. Maybe we should wait for [reed], asac, ...
[02:12] <Jazzva> Initial version: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Extensions/Logo
[02:12] <gnomefreak> hold that thought
[02:14] <gnomefreak> someone changed the logo iirc
[02:14] <Jazzva> the logo?
[02:14] <gnomefreak> i dont htink i have the source anymore though
[02:14] <gnomefreak> mozillateam logo
[02:15] <gnomefreak> that isnt official logo
[02:15] <Jazzva> it's still a default ff logo.
[02:15] <gnomefreak> yeah i think it is :(
[02:15] <gnomefreak> i swore hjmf or alex made it
[02:15] <Jazzva> I think it's just an older version (see the difference in FF3 "About" logo, and on the mt page
[02:16] <gnomefreak> we had a meeting and we decided on a logo and they sent me the source
[02:16] <gnomefreak> i had logos that were unofficial still do i think :)
[02:16] <Jazzva> It would be great if you could find them :)
[02:16] <gnomefreak> looking
[02:17] <gnomefreak> yep still have ff and tb logos that were experimental
[02:18] <gnomefreak> if you give me your lp page ill email them to you
[02:18] <Jazzva> jazzva@gmail :)
[02:18] <gnomefreak> k
[02:20] <gnomefreak> sent
[02:21] <Jazzva> Thanks. I'll post to the wiki as logos that can be used :)
[02:21] <Jazzva> brb phone
[02:22] <gnomefreak> np :)
[02:22] <gnomefreak> we dfont package this? QuickRestart add on
[02:23] <gnomefreak> dont*
[02:24] <Jazzva> I don't think we have it
[02:26]  * jetsaredim just catching up - what did i miss other than a new team being formed?
[02:28] <Jazzva> jetsaredim: Well, the new extension maintaining process is currently being discussed, and I think that's mostly it. Bugsquashing and the usual going on... Oh, and there's a page for the logo of the new team ;).
[02:28] <Jazzva> Changed the team's page.
[02:28] <gnomefreak> is ther ea list of mozilla mailing lists somewhere there are a few maybe 10 i need
[02:30] <Volans> Jazzva: pvt link if you want to see want I was meaning above ;)
[02:30] <gnomefreak> think i found them
[02:33] <Volans> strange thing here: https://addons.mozilla.org/it/firefox/ the "puzzle" logo is 90° rotated in respect to the favicon and much less rounded
[02:36] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: Are we free to use those? :)
[02:36] <gnomefreak> yes
[02:36] <gnomefreak> check with asac they are not from mozilla (atleast i didnt get them from them
[02:37] <Jazzva> I haven't seen them before, I'm sure they're not from mozilla :)
[02:38] <Volans> maybe from here? http://iconpacks.mozdev.org/
[02:39] <gnomefreak> no they were on one of the theme sites
[02:39] <gnomefreak> gnome-looks or the other gnome one
[02:40] <gnomefreak> looks at link
[02:40] <gnomefreak> i see them here
[02:41] <gnomefreak> my pack did have yellow ones too but yuck
[02:43] <gnomefreak> Guidance: To the extent that a project creates new, copyright works of authorship, the copyrights to that new work will be owned by the contributors to the project by operation of law. As an open source project, the code is made available by the project owner and other contributors pursuant to an open source license.
[02:43] <gnomefreak> http://www.mozdev.org/copyright.html
[02:44] <gnomefreak> and now alot more mailing lists
[02:51] <Volans> gnomefreak: you or Jazzva will publish these usable log on the wiki page?
[02:51] <Jazzva> Volans, sorry... I will in few minutes.
[02:51] <Volans> no problem just to say :)
[02:52] <gnomefreak> Volans: yes but i think checking with asac first is best idea but what i read sounded good to me
[02:52] <Volans> I have found a "puzzle" svg icon under GFDL good for my idea of the logo
[02:52] <Jazzva> Volans, 3/4 posted
[02:53] <Volans> and you call these firefox logos??? aaargh
[02:53] <Jazzva> ;)
[02:53] <Volans> unwatchable :)
[02:59] <Jazzva> Volans, I suppose you can submit those icons on wiki page for now and we'll see if they're ok later... They'll easily be removed if they violate the policy.
[03:00] <Volans> ok, I'll find some minutes if I found somethingbetter
[03:01] <Volans> then the mozillateam logo is not correct?
[03:01] <Volans> due to mozilla policies?
[03:02] <Jazzva> Volans, I'm not sure as FF and TB are Mozilla products...
[03:02] <Jazzva> We would need someone more competent on the issue :).
[03:03] <Volans> ok, but I see in wikipedia that also they do not have a real firefox logo
[03:03] <Volans> see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:User_browser:Firefox/Archive_1#Which_image.3F
[03:03] <Volans> i'm usig that one, I think is simpler but better in respect to that of the wiki page
[03:05] <gnomefreak> use a mix of icewesle and ff icons
[03:05] <gnomefreak> if you can get svg for them
[03:06] <gnomefreak> i am thinking about getting a meeting together for mozillateam we can add this to ageda if i ever get there
[03:07] <Volans> gnomefreak: these ones? http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immagine:Iceweasel.png
[03:07] <gnomefreak> maybe instead of the globe they have put yours in there
[03:08] <gnomefreak> mozilla cant bitch and neither can debian
[03:08] <Volans> remember that the logo is also in 14x14px version... there isn't much space to make something complex ;)
[03:08]  * gnomefreak doesnt do svg's yet
[03:08] <Volans> the first yes
[03:09] <Volans> see at the bottom
[03:09] <gnomefreak> yeah i was thinking another view of globe but it works as well
[03:09] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm
[03:11] <gnomefreak> make the wiki with all options that you can find and toorrow or when everyone is around next we can come up with one im sure :)
[03:11] <Jazzva> Agree :)...
[03:11] <gnomefreak> what one does debian use?
[03:11] <Jazzva> Iceweasel, I think...
[03:11] <gnomefreak> im thinking a mix of them since the team is just that its a mix of extensions
[03:12] <gnomefreak> or see what icons they have for "most popular" extension
[03:12] <Jazzva> But not overstuffed... :)
[03:12] <Jazzva> and as long as it's legal to use them :)...
[03:12] <Volans> Jazzva: I have to attache to the wiki only the three version or also the svg?
[03:13] <Jazzva> three version?
[03:13] <gnomefreak> personally i like the iceweasle one but using it will have people guesing on what we are doing to seperate ourselves and alot of gossip IMHO
[03:13] <Volans>  14x14, 64x64 (<=50KB) and 192x192(<=100KB) logos
[03:13] <Jazzva> Just attach the svg :). It will be easily adjusted if needed.
[03:16] <Volans> but in this way there isn't the preview on the wiki page... svg are not shown
[03:16] <Jazzva> A suggestion ... maybe we could migrate extensions-related stuff under the MozillaTeam/Extensions/, when we start the wiki clean-up. But, we can discuss that tomorrow, when more people are around...
[03:17] <Jazzva> Volans: Hmm, then use the png/gif/jpg/whatever_is_supported...
[03:17] <gnomefreak> if someone wants to make the mozilla-extensions-dev wiki feel free to so i can get started on other things like the other 33 things on my to-do-list
[03:18] <Volans> my question because I remebered this page: https://help.launchpad.net/logo/submissions ;)
[03:18] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: I'll go around MozillaTeam wiki, and look for stuff tomorrow... Will be going to bed soon.
[03:19] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: thank you im heading to bed soon too i hope just want to get started ont he 8 chroots
[03:20] <Jazzva> Volans: Maybe provide all three... 14x14 ones can get unrecognizable, so it's good to notice at the beginning :).
[03:20] <Volans> ok
[03:20] <Volans> thanks
[03:21] <Jazzva> No problem...
[03:21] <gnomefreak> how long until dapper EOS?
[03:21] <Jazzva> !info dapper
[03:21] <ubotu> Package dapper does not exist in hardy
[03:21] <Jazzva> !dapper
[03:21] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) was the fourth release of Ubuntu. See !lts for more details.
[03:21] <Jazzva> heh
[03:21] <gnomefreak> !lts
[03:21] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[03:22] <gnomefreak> nect year
[03:22] <gnomefreak> next*
[03:34] <Jazzva> Removing those FF/TB icons from wiki... If we post them, we might post any other FF/TB work too, so it's a bit unfair to the rest of the icons :). I will add some more info to the wiki page (legal stuff, ...).
[03:35] <Volans> ok, I have see your lock
[03:35] <Volans> on the page
[03:35] <Jazzva> and just bumped on this ... Nice :) http://www.flickr.com/photos/20995805@N05/2436225528/
[03:36] <Volans> nice
[03:36] <gnomefreak> that is sweet
[03:37] <gnomefreak> ok im gone i started 4 chroots for now
[03:38] <gnomefreak> maybe be back but i doubt it until weekend or monday
[03:39] <Jazzva> Ok, done...
[03:40] <Jazzva> off to bed, see you later...
[03:40] <Volans> ok bye bye, I will publish in 2 minutes ;)
[03:40] <Jazzva> Great :)
[03:41] <Jazzva> Oh, I forgot :)... Add your LP/IRC/... nickname/contact with the submission :)
[03:41] <Volans> of course
[03:41] <Volans> i add in the example
[03:41] <Volans> maybe
[03:41] <Jazzva> Sure :)
[03:41] <Volans> == NameSurname proposal ==
[03:41] <Volans> ?
[03:42] <Volans> or omething like this
[03:42] <Jazzva> Not sure if we need the full name ... maybe just use "Contact proposal"
[03:42] <Volans> ok
[03:47] <Volans> Jazzva: GPL icon + GFDL icon = ??? icon ?
[03:47] <Volans> maybe GPL?
[03:47] <Volans> :)
[03:48] <Jazzva> Not good on licenses. Maybe mention that some parts are licensed under GPL, and some under GFDL. And wait until someone with more experience comes around :).
[03:49] <Volans> ok
[03:55] <Volans> Jazzva:  done :)
[03:55] <Volans> the small one is not so good...
[03:55] <Volans> maybe tomorrow I can make a better version
[03:55] <Jazzva> Looks nice :)...
[03:55] <Volans> is the simplest one
[03:56] <Jazzva> Well, continuing this tomorrow :)... Good night...
[03:56] <Volans> now I can really go to sleep
[03:56] <Volans> good night too
[04:46] <[reed]> Jazzva: what's the question?
[12:29] <Jazzva> [reed]: Is it OK to use any of Mozilla logos for Mozilla Extensions team logo, or their mix, such as Firefox+Puzzle logo?
[12:37] <Jazzva> asac: ping
[12:47] <Volans> Jazzva: I have made some more experiment on the logo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Extensions/Logo ;)
[12:49] <Jazzva> Volans: Great :)...
[12:50] <Jazzva> I'm still waiting for the answer on legal question. So, we'll see soon.
[12:50] <Volans> there are surely free, I'm not sure undet what license... but GPL + GFDP surely is != mozilla copyright
[12:51] <Jazzva> Ok. I was more thinking about the Mozilla logos and if it's ok to use them.
[12:52] <Volans> Oh if we can use the original one can be surely better, having an SVG of the firefox logo, I can remake the ones in the wiki page with the official logo in some minutes
[12:59] <fta> i like Proposal 2, but all tiny logos are unreadable
[13:00] <Jazzva> I was thinking that maybe only a puzzle logo could be used for 14px. Just a suggestion :)
[13:01] <Volans> thanks fta, maybe the proposal 3 have the better 14px logo...
[13:01] <Volans> jes Jazzva can be a possibility
[13:01] <Volans> maybe with a simple circle blue or orange in the center
[13:02] <Volans> Jazzva: you know id there is some other LP team using the puzzle logo?
[13:02] <Volans> or a smart way to search ;)
[13:02] <Jazzva> Volans: Not sure...
[13:03] <Jazzva> Damn that "List all teams" skips showing logos
[13:04] <Volans> LOL
[13:11]  * Volans go to launch... see you later
[13:38] <Jazzva> asac_, here?
[14:16]  * Volans is back
[14:38] <Volans> Jazzva: just added your suggestion to the wiki along with the puzzle only icon for 14x14px size
[14:39] <Jazzva> Looks ok :)
[14:39] <Volans> probably 14x14 is too small for a sovrapposition of two different logos
[14:40] <Jazzva> Looks like it is...
[14:40] <Volans> better only one if enough representative of the team
[14:40] <Jazzva> but let's wait for the others :)
[14:41] <Volans> of course, I've done my 2 cent, now is turn for other, only waiting news for official logos
[14:41] <Jazzva> Mhm...
[14:47] <Volans> you have some doubt Jazzva? :)
[14:47] <Jazzva> Volans: No...
[14:48] <Jazzva> Only about Mozilla policy :).
[14:48] <Volans> with my very short experience packaging my extension I have see an ocean of ambiguity in free licenses...
[14:51] <Volans> and I love much this blog post that dktrkranz has given to me http://blog.ganneff.de/blog/2008/03/22/write-a-new-license-every-day.html ;)
[14:52] <Jazzva> The guy made a point :)
[16:09] <gnomefreak> damn its quiet
[16:27] <Volans> I have to go, maybe come back later or tomorrow
[16:27] <Volans> bye bye :)
[16:39] <gnomefreak> im going to cut grass in a minute i should be gone most of afternoon with yardwork
[16:42] <gnomefreak> hi jen
[16:52] <Jazzva> gnomfreak: Found some pages that would be moved to MozillaTeam/Extensions, if that's ok... I'll wait for the upcoming meeting, so we can discuss it... or whenever when there are more folks around :)
[16:52] <Jazzva> s/would/should/
[16:52] <armin76> Jazzva: hi, whats up with the alignment stuff?
[16:53] <Jazzva> armin76: Just a second, to find the bug.
[16:54] <Jazzva> armin76: bug 161987
[16:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 161987 in firefox "Firefox Bus Error & Segfault on Sun Blade 100 (UltraSparc)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/161987
[16:55] <Jazzva> asac said you would know more if we have the patch for that, or if we need to apply the patch provided on mozilla bug 161826 (I think)...
[16:55] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 161826 in Layout: Fonts and Text "nsTextFrame::MeasureText()'s fast text measuring codepath crashes on RISC machines" [Critical,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161826
[16:56] <Jazzva> mozilla bug 289394 might also be related to this
[16:56] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 289394 in XSLT "Double.cpp causes unaligned accesses" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=289394
[16:56] <Jazzva> armin76: ^
[16:56] <armin76> hrm...
[16:56] <armin76> its been a long time..
[16:57] <armin76> let me see which patch works for me...
[16:57] <Jazzva> Ok, if that's not a problem for you... Thanks :)
[17:00] <armin76> Jazzva: yes, i'm using the patch i attached on the first bug
[17:00] <armin76> you apply another patch that is in that bug as well
[17:03] <Jazzva> armin76: And what is the name you use on b.m.o? :)
[17:03] <armin76> Raúl Porcel
[17:03] <armin76> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=294901 <- this one is the patch i'm using
[17:03] <Jazzva> Oh, ok. I was looking for Armin...
[17:04] <armin76> you are applying a different patch, but that shouldn't cause a bus error, though :/
[17:05] <Jazzva> afaics, the second patch looks like the first one + some other changes. So, that one should be applied?
[17:06] <armin76> yeah, but not sure if that will fix the issue the guy is having
[17:06] <armin76> i didn't use safemode, though
[17:07] <Jazzva> I know less then you. I'll report to asac what you said...
[17:07] <Jazzva> :)
[17:07] <Jazzva> We can at least ask the reporter to test the patched version...
[17:09]  * armin76 creates an ubuntu chroot
[17:23] <armin76> heh, didn't know ubuntu dropped sparc release
[17:23] <Jazzva> it did?
[17:23] <armin76> yup
[17:23] <Jazzva> wow...
[17:23] <armin76> now its only a port
[17:25] <armin76> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjM5MA
[17:25] <armin76> i wonder why they even compromised, just two years? ew
[17:27]  * Jazzva sighs...
[17:27] <Jazzva> They dropped PPC arch too...
[17:28] <armin76> but thats since 7.04
[17:28] <Jazzva> yep...
[17:33] <armin76> The PowerPC and SPARC architectures no longer receive commercial support from Canonical for new releases of Ubuntu (PowerPC as of 7.04, SPARC as of 8.04), and accordingly these architectures have been moved to ports.ubuntu.com. Users of these architectures should take care to update /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:33] <armin76> lol :D
[17:34] <armin76> guess nobody used commercial support for those arches :)
[17:34] <Jazzva> :)
[17:35] <Jazzva> Since there's not much around, I'll start working on my first project for this semester. I need to write a functional assembler :). Sounds really good to me
[17:43] <armin76> Jazzva: uh, interesting
[17:43] <armin76> got a bus error, using an ubuntu chroot, gutsy
[17:43] <Jazzva> Hmm, suppose that doesn't fix the bug and is not related to the reported mozilla bug :/
[17:44] <armin76> eh? why not?
[17:44] <Jazzva> well, doesn't fix the whole bug... maybe it should be split to two bugs
[17:44] <Jazzva> Fixes the crashing, but not the bus bug :). That's what I meant...
[17:45] <Jazzva> (then again, I have no clue why the bus error happens)
[17:45] <mib_sngj4x> lolz
[17:46]  * mib_sngj4x waves
[17:46] <Jazzva> Hello ...
[17:46] <mib_sngj4x> Jazzva: well, that sucks then :/
[17:46] <Jazzva> Huh?
[17:46] <mib_sngj4x> as you see, it doesn't segfault here, so maybe the patch needs to be updated, yep
[17:47] <Jazzva> Ahh... armin76 :)
[17:47] <mib_sngj4x> yup
[17:47] <mib_sngj4x> and the bus error looks like the same i had if i didn't apply the patch, takes a bit to give the bus error
[17:47] <mib_sngj4x> 30 seconds or so
[17:48] <Jazzva> Aham. Do you know what's wrong?
[17:49] <armin76> dunno, i can provide a backtrace, is it built with debug symbols or something?
[17:49] <armin76> i don't know ubuntu stuff
[17:49] <Jazzva> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs#head-c576e78d92cb3c959c271158b6ace98be835de83
[17:50] <Jazzva> I think that firefox-dbg should be replaced with firefox-2-dbg, since that's the new package name
[17:52] <armin76> E: Couldn't find package libcairo2-dbg
[17:54] <armin76> where is libcairo2-dbg? multiverse or something?
[17:54] <Jazzva> Maybe it doesn't exist :/... Checking
[17:54] <Jazzva> libcairo2-dbg is in main
[17:54] <Jazzva> so far, Architecture: i386
[17:55] <Jazzva> not a good sign
[17:56] <Jazzva> looks like it's only for amd64, i386
[17:57] <armin76> okay, i'll skip it meanwhile
[17:57] <Jazzva> ok
[18:00] <armin76> okay, i have the bt
[18:00] <Jazzva> great, can you attach it to the bug report?
[18:00] <armin76> http://rafb.net/p/P9F3ur65.html
[18:00] <armin76> you do it :P
[18:00] <Jazzva> Oh, not registered :)
[18:00] <Jazzva> Thans a lot for this :)
[18:02] <armin76> i think i am registered, but you do it :P
[18:03] <armin76> so yeah, seems like its because of the patch
[18:03] <armin76> i never used that one, so i can't say
[18:04] <Jazzva> Attached bt
[18:04] <Jazzva> Thanks for the help :)..
[18:05] <armin76> np
[22:42] <[reed]> Jazzva: you can probably use the puzzle piece
[22:43] <Jazzva> [reed], thanks for the answer :). Official puzzle piece, or the one at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Extensions/Logo ?
[22:44] <[reed]> pretty sure you can use the official one... it's not trademarked, afaik
[22:44] <[reed]> I will confirm that, though
[22:45] <Jazzva> Ok, thanks...
[23:16] <rzr> Jazzva: hi thx for adding me to the team
[23:16] <Jazzva> rzr: No problem. Welcome to the team :)...
[23:16] <rzr> yes the green puzzle piece is a brand everyone know now
[23:18] <rzr> the puzzle piece has been turned isnt it ?
[23:18] <Jazzva> turned?
[23:18]  * rzr is running iceweasel  tough
[23:19] <rzr> flipped vertically
[23:19] <Jazzva> oh, I don't know. The pins are pointing left and up in ff
[23:19] <Jazzva> Although, the one Volans used is also used in instantbird (go to www.instantbird.com -> addons)
[23:21] <rzr> who that's not important :)
[23:21] <Jazzva> I just thought they would also check if it's legal :).
[23:21]  * rzr liked the early "sovietic design" of mozilla
[23:21] <Jazzva> heh :)... mozzila.org/party
[23:23] <rzr> http://www.mozilla.org/party/1998/mozilla.gif
[23:24] <Jazzva> a little more eu-like ... http://www.mozilla.org/images/mozilla10th.png
[23:24] <rzr> yea it sucks
[23:25] <Jazzva> heh :)
[23:25] <rzr> http://web.archive.org/web/19981212031129/www.mozilla.org/
[23:26] <rzr> when did jwz left mozilla ?
[23:26] <rzr> 2000 ?
[23:26] <[reed]> rzr: why would you want to use iceweasel? ew
[23:26] <Jazzva> Dunno...
[23:27] <rzr> i run debian
[23:27] <rzr> i have a tvout issue with latest xorg
[23:28] <rzr> once its fixed i'll probally switch
[23:52] <Sergeant_Pony> much better