[06:02] <coobra^> hello my laptop has SIS chipset and network and grafics dont work what can i do ???
[06:03] <coobra^> my laptop is a : Fujitsu Siemens Esprimo v5515
[06:03] <coobra^> any ideas :/
[22:26] <SAn> hi , i have an old Dell Latitude CSX laptop
[22:27] <SAn> i have a problem with the CPU frecuency, the report (dont remember how i get the report now, hwinfo maybe) says that the frecuency is 140Mhz
[22:28] <SAn> but i know the CPU frecuency is 500 Mhz
[22:29] <SAn> any ideas on how to set the apropiate frecuency? could be an error of the report? (the BIOS says that is runing  on 500mhz but...i dont know if it is hardcoded)
[22:35] <SAn> hi , i have an old Dell Latitude CSX laptop and  i have a problem with the CPU frecuency, the report (dont remember how i get the report now, hwinfo maybe) says that the frecuency is 140Mhz but i know the CPU frecuency is 500 Mhz.  any ideas on how to set the apropiate frecuency? could be an error of the report? (the BIOS says that is runing  on 500mhz but...i dont know if it is hardcoded)


[14:17] <snap-l> morning
[14:49] <rick_h_> party
[14:54] <greg-g> g
[14:54] <greg-g> g'morning
[15:06] <snap-l> http://caesar120.deviantart.com/gallery/
[15:48] <jrwren> morning
[15:48] <jrwren> what ya'll up to?
[15:50] <greg-g> typing horribly since going from my kinesis to laptop
[15:57] <rick_h_> heh, yea it's always an adjustment
[15:57] <rick_h_> it's the one drawback, but then you try to figure out is the time being more ergo worth it over the next 40 rs
[15:57] <rick_h_> yrs
[19:58] <snap-l> Whew.
[19:58] <snap-l> Moved my office around some
[19:59] <rick_h_> cool
[20:01] <snap-l> Moved the filing cabinet over so it's within swivel distance
[20:01] <snap-l> so I'll be more apt to file something and not just let it sit
[20:02] <snap-l> Only problem is now I have a UPS pile over on the other side, which was conveniently covered up
[20:02] <snap-l> Never fails
[20:02] <snap-l> Ah wel, it'll take some adjustment
[20:03] <snap-l> Always a PITA to get everything the way you want.
[22:35] <brousch> snap-l: I'm using the squeezeboxserver to serve videos and music to my new blueray player
[22:35] <brousch> but it's going crazy on the IO right now. indexing?
[22:43] <snap-l> Videos?
[22:43] <snap-l> Wasn't aware that Squeezebox supported video playback
[22:44] <snap-l> brousch: It'll tekll you when it's indexing. IT should have a line near the bottom witn a status.
[22:47] <snap-l> God bles B&N for selling headphones
[22:47] <snap-l> otherwise I think I might strangle a few people in the cafe.
[23:08] <brousch> snap-l: It served a few videos
[23:08] <snap-l> THat's interesting
[23:08] <snap-l> What model Blueray player?
[23:09] <brousch> panasonic, has dlna built-in
[23:09] <snap-l> Is the Squeezebox sending stuff via dlna?
[23:10] <brousch> served it to droid via bubbleupnp too
[23:10] <brousch> yes
[23:10] <brousch> squeezeboxserver
[23:10] <snap-l> Oh that's sweet
[23:11]  * snap-l is trying to finish up this article
[23:22] <brousch> i can also serve from droid to tv
[23:23] <brousch> nifty
[23:23] <snap-l> YEah, DLNA is starting to pick up some steam
[23:23] <snap-l> still love my Squeezebox. :)
[23:26] <brousch> panasonic is not happy with a few of the videos
[23:26] <brousch> which is weird because it plays the same file off of SD fine
[23:29] <brousch> squeezeboxserver is a little glitchy, but i think it might be indexing
[23:31] <snap-l> Also check your network bandwidth
[23:31] <brousch> 100mbps
[23:31] <snap-l> Also check your network bandwidth
[23:31] <snap-l> make sure you're actually getting that bandwidth
[23:31] <brousch> :P
[23:32] <brousch> i had some stutters on 1080p h264 video
[23:32] <snap-l> Think about that for a sec. ;)
[23:32] <brousch> it did not stutter over wifi to the droid
[23:33] <brousch> well, no stutters until it siezed up completely


[04:02] <AnAnt> Hello, is there an alpha release this week ?
[04:02] <micahg> AnAnt: yes, alpha2
[04:02] <AnAnt> ah, that's why syncrequests aren't processed then
[04:02] <micahg> AnAnt: for main, yes
[04:02] <AnAnt> universe
[04:03] <micahg> AnAnt: well, if a MOTU is free, it can be done with the new syncrequest script
[04:03] <maco> hi
[04:03] <AnAnt> what new script ?
[04:03] <maco> its not that new
[04:04] <maco> pitti's had it kickin around for a bit
[04:04] <AnAnt> micahg: how ?
[04:05]  * micahg is finding
[04:06] <micahg> AnAnt: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/ubuntu-dev-tools/trunk/annotate/head:/syncpackage  <-- should be in ubuntu-dev-tools
[04:07] <AnAnt> ah
[04:16] <AnAnt> micahg: did you try it before ?
[04:16] <micahg> AnAnt: I don't have upload rights yet :)
[04:16] <AnAnt> ah, ok
[04:16] <micahg> AnAnt: I'm hoping to get some next week :)
[04:35] <maco> AnAnt: the version in dev tools i dont think works yet. because its waiting on some lp functionality
[04:35] <maco> AnAnt: you have to actually grab the script that pitti posted to ubuntu-devel
[04:36] <micahg> maco: I think the script works, I know bdrung was working on it, you might need the version from trunk though
[04:37] <AnAnt> maco: it works here
[04:37] <maco> interesting
[04:37] <maco> so they made the button on lp now then?
[04:37] <micahg> maco: no
[04:37] <micahg> not AFAIK anyways
[04:37] <AnAnt> maco: syncpackage creates the changes file, and I dput that
[04:40] <AnAnt> dunno about that LP button
[04:40] <maco> hmph. thats what the original did. for a while the one in dev tools didnt do that though. it did some lplib stuff that assumed thered be a button in lp. i guess it was reverted
[04:40] <maco> the button in lp never existed
[04:41] <maco> so that version never worked
[04:46] <AnAnt> maco: thanks for the tip
[06:34] <kees> jdong: say, do you have your irssi apparmor profile available somewhere?
[06:34] <jdong> kees: http://bodhizazen.net/aa-profiles/jdong/ubuntu-8.04/usr.bin.irssi it's a bit old though
[06:34] <jdong> I'm not sure if that's my most recent...
[06:35] <kees> heh, audio :)
[06:35] <jdong> kees: heh that was the one where I had a audible ping extension
[06:35] <jdong> and I either didn't feel like or didn't know about subprofiles
[06:36] <jdong> unfortunately I didn't make an irssi profile for general use, just something that made me happy for my irssi config...
[06:36]  * kees recommends "owner @{HOME}" in place of "/home/*" and @{PROC} in place of /proc
[06:36] <jdong> absolutely; I knew you were gonna call me out on that one!
[06:36] <kees> hehe
[06:37] <kees> cool; it looks very similar to one I put together this afternoon.
[06:37] <jdong> neat!
[06:37] <jdong> personal use or for the apparmor-profiles package?
[06:38] <kees> could probably go in apparmor-profiles, but I'm hoping to use it too.  maybe ship it with irssi itself :)
[06:38] <jdong> awesome!
[06:38] <kees> though given the perl extensions, probably not, since it would need a lot of stuff
[06:40] <kees> jdong: thanks for the url; I'm off to bed.  :)
[06:41] <jdong> kees: sure thing, good night!
[06:58] <dholbach> good morning
[07:02] <ajmitch> morning dholbach
[07:02] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[07:26] <EzraR> anyone want to review a package on revu? :) It got one ak already should be an easy one!
[07:28] <EzraR> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/mangler
[07:28] <EzraR> ventrilo for linux cool app
[07:58] <LLStarks> hmm. minitube isn't pulling any of its dependencies. is this intentional?
[07:58] <Rhonda> what do you mean, isn't pulling any of its dependencies?
[07:59] <Rhonda> If they are dependencies then it's apt's job to pull them.
[08:00]  * Rhonda sighs at packages.ubuntu still not knowing about maverick properly. %-/
[08:05] <LLStarks> rhonda, minitube pulls none of the dependencies it needs
[08:05] <Rhonda> It's Lucid Lynx, right?
[08:06] <LLStarks> it pulls nothing.
[08:06] <LLStarks> lucid and maverick
[08:06] <Rhonda> LLStarks: That question was independent to your issue. ;)
[08:06] <Rhonda> The full name is Lucid Lynx?
[08:06] <LLStarks> yes
[08:06] <LLStarks> why?
[08:14] <Rhonda> Updating the UbuntuBackports help page.
[08:28] <Rhonda> What do people put into the debian/changelog for backports? Version number and the likes?
[09:07] <Laney> Source change backport from XX to YY (LP: #zzzzzz)
[10:01] <dupondje> geser: you check to sync Opal? Or should I file a sync request ?
[10:01] <geser> dupondje: test building it right now
[10:01] <dupondje> fine fine :)
[10:05] <Rhonda> Laney: What would it read for backport wesnoth-1.8 version 1:1.8.2-1 to lucid-backports, e.g.?
[10:08] <geser> dupondje: bug #600121
[10:09] <dupondje> great :)
[10:23] <Laney> Rhonda: does it need changes or can you just build the M packages on L?
[10:25] <Rhonda> Can someone please change bug #524490 to wont fix? That is the way that SASL works, it requires plain text stored passwords.
[10:25] <Rhonda> Laney: It doesn't require any changes, I even build it straight ahead on karmic.
[10:26] <Laney> Rhonda: then you don't need to write a changelog entry at all
[10:26] <Laney> just request the backports — archive admins have scripts to do no-change backports
[10:27] <Rhonda> Laney: Yes, but for a test build, potential to offer through PPA for others to test?
[10:27] <Rhonda> From what I understood it is encouraged to offer test packages.
[10:27]  * Laney has never done this
[10:27] <Rhonda> %-)
[10:27] <Laney> but for a PPA I guess it's not important what you write
[10:28] <Laney> * No-change backport from M to L
[11:29] <Iraq> Q: How install File arichef filename.tar.gz ?step by step learn me please
[14:52] <bdrung> tumbleweed: welcome in MOTU (i just got the log from the DMB meeting)
[14:54] <shadeslayer> ooohhh
[14:54] <shadeslayer> tumbleweed: congrats :D
[14:55] <tumbleweed> bdrung, shadeslayer: thanks
[14:55] <shadeslayer> tumbleweed: i became member tho :P
[14:56] <shadeslayer> will apply for MOTU in 2-3 months time :D
[14:58] <tumbleweed> shadeslayer: yes, do
[14:58] <shadeslayer> :D
[14:58] <bdrung> shadeslayer: you became ubuntu member?
[14:58] <shadeslayer> bdrung: yes
[14:59] <shadeslayer> bdrung: On monday
[14:59] <shadeslayer> actually... Kubuntu Member
[14:59] <bdrung> shadeslayer: that's why you were not on the DMB log
[14:59] <shadeslayer> :)
[14:59] <shadeslayer> bdrung: DMB ??
[15:00] <bdrung> tumbleweed: i saw that you became member of the sponsors team. welcome there too. the team needs man power. ;)
[15:00] <tumbleweed> shadeslayer: developer membership board - where you apply for contributing-developer / motu
[15:00] <shadeslayer> oh
[15:00] <tumbleweed> bdrung: thanks, I cleared out all the easy stuff from the queue
[15:01] <bdrung> tumbleweed: what do you specify as easy?
[15:01] <tumbleweed> but there's a lot of things in there that look like tehy'll never be sponsored
[15:01] <tumbleweed> bdrung: syncs and merges
[15:01] <bdrung> tumbleweed: did you played with ack-sync?
[15:01] <tumbleweed> actually, no. but I have been using syncpackage
[15:01] <bdrung> syncs are very easy ones ;)
[15:02] <shadeslayer> hehe
[15:02] <tumbleweed> yeah
[15:02] <bdrung> tumbleweed: ack-sync is a wrapper around syncpackage
[15:02] <tumbleweed> aah, that'd save effort
[15:03] <bdrung> you just type 'ack-sync <bug-number>' and i will download the source, call syncpackage, and build it, then you press enter once and it will be uploaded
[15:03] <tumbleweed> sounds way too esay :)
[15:05] <bdrung> it works on my and on fabricesp's setup.
[15:07] <bdrung> tumbleweed: that's why i did 164 to maverick (most of them were sponsored syncs)
[15:11] <tumbleweed> heh. not that doing it by hand is much more work: almost all of the sync requests come from the same 5 people (who will presumably become motu)
[15:15] <bdrung> tumbleweed: there are more than 5 people requesting syncs. it's the 90/10 rules. 90 % come from 5 people. ;)
[15:16] <tumbleweed> yeah
[15:18] <bdrung> tumbleweed: if you want hard work. go to http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ and sort by date and take the oldest.
[15:18] <tumbleweed> bdrung: yeah, that's what I mean about things that never look like they'll be sponsored
[15:20] <bdrung> tumbleweed: old bugs don't mean that they are in the queue for a long time!
[15:22] <tumbleweed> bdrung: that's true, but many of them have been pending review for a few years
[15:23] <bdrung> tumbleweed: i sponsored some SRU requests for karmic that were one year old. old dosn't mean that it's not needed any more, but a lack of man power.
[15:24] <tumbleweed> bdrung: yeah, I will look into them. but it's hard not to feel that some were ignored for a reason
[15:25] <bdrung> tumbleweed: i doubt that most of them were ignored for a reason. if you want to review sponsor requests for main, you can work on them and ping me if the request should be uploaded.
[15:26] <bdrung> tumbleweed: over a half year ago i cleared the sponsors queue for universe (back then they were separate). some of the patches weren't needed any more, but there were still some valid ones.
[15:28] <tumbleweed> bdrung: ok, thanks
[16:25] <LLStarks> hi, should ndiswrapper-common be pulling in ndiswrapper-dkms and causing endless module installation loops on maverick?
[17:06] <EzraR> anyone want to review a package on revu? :) It got one ak already should be an easy one!
[17:06] <EzraR> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/mangler
[17:06] <EzraR> ventrilo for linux cool app
[17:41] <^arky^> Are there any software-center developers in here?
[17:42]  * ^arky^ looks around for mvo and mpt
[18:48] <tumbleweed> bdrung: why isn't ack-sync installed by ubutnu-dev-tools? (it isn't in setup.py)
[18:50] <bdrung> tumbleweed: because it's neither documented, nor tested on different systems (it works with my pbuilder configuration, but yours?)
[18:51] <tumbleweed> ok fair enough
[18:51] <bdrung> tumbleweed: if you address these points, we can include it
[18:51]  * tumbleweed better read teh source then
[18:52] <bdrung> tumbleweed: and no error is catched. someone should write nice error messages.
[18:52] <tumbleweed> well I'll see how many exceptions I run into
[18:53] <tumbleweed> looks like it'll get on with my pbuilder
[19:58] <shadeslayer> hi,anyone around?
[19:58] <ari-tczew> Dear developers, as we are after DebianImportFreeze, I appeal to more frequently move syncs from ~ubuntu-archive bug-list.  Thanks.
[19:58] <shadeslayer> i need help with http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=8338
[19:58] <shadeslayer> ari-tczew: we already have import freeze
[19:58] <shadeslayer> oh :P
[19:58]  * shadeslayer didnt read properly
[19:58] <ari-tczew> ;]
[20:01] <shadeslayer> so.. anyone around to help with that revu? itll be quick
[20:02] <shadeslayer> ive fixed points 1,3,4,5,6 and 8
[20:15] <tyarusso> Hi, I could use some help understanding debhelper, specifically dh_install.  Anyone around knowledgeable about that?
[20:16] <c_korn> tyarusso: just ask your specific question. if someone has time and knowledge to help you he/she will do !
[20:18] <shadeslayer> tyarusso: well.. i can help  abut
[20:18] <shadeslayer> *a bit
[20:19] <tyarusso> Okay, my issue is that it doesn't seem to be finding the files it's supposed to copy over.  Re-running to get the exact error now.
[20:19] <tyarusso> Some sort of a path problem within the build environment I guess.
[20:20] <shadeslayer> tyarusso: ah,you need to specify the files to install in .install files,that can be found by using dh_install --list-missing
[20:20] <tyarusso> Here's the error:  dh_install: nagios-xi-agent missing files (conf/nrpe.d/*), aborting
[20:21] <shadeslayer> tyarusso: what does dh_install --list-missing say?
[20:21] <tyarusso> shadeslayer: dh_install: nagios-xi-agent missing files (conf/nrpe.d/*), aborting
[20:22] <tyarusso> My .install btw is shown on http://paste.ubuntu.com/457500/
[20:22] <shadeslayer> tyarusso: no no, run dh_install --list-missing
[20:22] <shadeslayer> via console
[20:22] <tyarusso> shadeslayer: I did - that second paste was the output from that.
[20:22] <shadeslayer> oh..
[20:23] <shadeslayer> weird
[20:23] <tyarusso> What were you expecting it to say?
[20:23] <tyarusso> btw, I'm building with pbuilder if that makes a difference.
[20:23] <shadeslayer> well... i was expecting : dh_install : xxxx is installed in debian/tmp but not installed anywhere
[20:23] <shadeslayer> tyarusso: doh!
[20:23] <shadeslayer> tyarusso: one sec
[20:24] <shadeslayer> tyarusso: put this hook http://pastebin.com/gp9DW5vP
[20:24] <shadeslayer> in your pbuilder
[20:25] <shadeslayer> then run pdebuild
[20:25] <shadeslayer> tyarusso: which puts a pretty log in the parent dir,with the necessary info about missing files,then put those files in proper foo.install files
[20:26] <shadeslayer> tyarusso: oh and btw #ubuntu-packaging is a better channel for this
[20:26] <tyarusso> shadeslayer: um, what does this do?  My package neither involves kde4 nor uses CDBS, so perhaps this should be rewritten a bit?
[20:26] <tyarusso> Wasn't aware a separate channel existed these days.  Good to know.
[20:27] <shadeslayer> didnt realise that this hook was kde specific :P
[20:30] <shadeslayer> uh... can someone tell tyarusso that i went to sleep? :P


[04:10] <Chase> hello
[08:22] <Mirv> hello
[10:26] <Debolaz> I've been thinking of one thing I feel Unity is missing... When I want to navigate between 2 different applications, that requires only a single mouse click. However, navigating between 2 windows from the same application requires 2 mouse clicks. Wouldn't it be a good idea with a visual element that lets you easily switch between windows of the currently active application?
[11:09] <Mirv> Debolaz: I believe I've seen earlier discussion on why the current behavior has been designed. of course, it doesn't mean there couldn't be a design change at some point
[11:10] <Mirv> at least it's consistent with the super+number from keyboard - one press switches, two presses gives option between windows
[11:10] <Mirv> anyway, reading up with https://lists.launchpad.net/unity-design/ could be useful
[11:20] <Debolaz> Mirv: There's also alt-tab for switching between windows of the current application. However, all those solutions has a problem: They require moving from the mouse to the keyboard. Not always convenient.
[11:20] <Debolaz> The mac keyboard bug also makes it a really awkward key combination, since you have to use the right alt.
[11:21] <Debolaz> (Admittedly, it only affects a small minority of users)
[11:21] <Mirv> danilos: alt + the-key-on-the-left-side-of-1 you probably mean? yes.
[11:21] <Debolaz> Yes.
[11:22] <Debolaz> But like I said, I'm forced to use the right alt. Which makes the combination a 2-hand combo instead of 1-hand.
[11:22] <Mirv> that's unfortunate indeed
[11:23] <Debolaz> The problem being that Linux tends to not be able to map apple keyboards correctly.
[11:23] <Debolaz> So I need to specifically assign left alt to be the level 3 key in the keyboard option. But this makes it unavailable for any shortcut for some reason.
[11:24] <Debolaz> And as far as I understood it in the bug report, there are no plans of fixing this.
[11:25] <Debolaz> Because it's a fairly complicated issue.
[14:24] <tgm4883> Is there documentation anywhere on how to develop for unity previews?
[14:25] <bobweaver> tgm4883,  you have tried RE them ?
[14:25] <tgm4883> I haven't looked though one yet, I was only on my netbook last night so screen space was limited
[14:28] <bobweaver> ahh yeah I ripped open themusic and app's lens last night be I am also going to do some more work as I have a 3 hr bus ride today
[14:28] <tgm4883> bobweaver, have those made it into quantal yet or do I still need to pull from the PPA?
[14:29] <bobweaver> Not sure I am pilling from staging
[14:29] <bobweaver> pulling *
[14:30] <bobweaver> tgm4883,  you thinking about myth ? or TV ?
[14:30] <tgm4883> bobweaver, both
[14:30] <bobweaver>  \o/
[14:34] <bobweaver> I am confused about what is going to be used for the rating and also why the video one is not previewing any of my media
[14:35] <tgm4883> I haven't touched the mythtv scope in a while, but now that 12.04.1 has passed and I've finished my blueprint work items for 12.10 I should be able to work on tv stuff more
[14:36] <bobweaver> sweet
[14:38] <bobweaver> seems like there is now going to be local cached db floating around for things not sure how management ....
[16:13] <Mirv> jbicha: sorry, the build-dep wasn't bumped now since I was under impression seb would be doing the metacity upload as well (and he decided to postpone it a bit)
[16:14] <jbicha> Mirv: thanks, it'll get fixed in the next upload
[16:14] <Mirv> jbicha: but since your metacity is in NEW, it's possible to time the compiz re-compilation (+ dep bump) together
[16:15] <Mirv> jbicha: yep, no problem
[16:15] <jbicha> I should have uploaded metacity hours ago since it would have got stuck in the new queue anyway
[16:16] <Mirv> it was complicated enough that the testing PPA didn't reflect lp:compiz trunk exactly, becase the branches landed only at the very last minute...
[16:19] <jbicha> Mirv: so the new Compiz/Unity doesn't actually conflict on the old metacity now?
[16:21] <Mirv> jbicha: no..
[16:21] <Mirv> and Unity is just a re-build (with gsettings support added) of 6.2 release that is 1.5 weeks old, not new unity
[16:21] <Mirv> which means FFe is needed for the actual new Unity
[16:22] <Mirv> https://code.launchpad.net/unity is quite mad with merges
[16:23] <Mirv> next cycle everything will be of course ready earlier before FF :)
[16:23] <sil2100> Mirv: ping
[16:25] <jbicha> Mirv: I stopped believing that a long time ago ;)
[16:26] <Mirv> sil2100: pong
[16:26] <sil2100> Mirv: ok, sorted out ;)
[16:26] <Mirv> sil2100: cool ;)
[17:29] <ddeathly> Hello/
[17:29] <ddeathly> ?*
[17:30] <ddeathly> Anyone able to help me?
[17:33] <popey> ddeathly, depends what the issue is :)
[17:33] <popey> !ask
[17:38] <marco> !patience
[17:39] <ddeathly> this is basicly my problem http://askubuntu.com/questions/179523/python-problems-urgent <<----------
[19:15] <Chris___> hello?
[19:16] <Chris___> umm can anyone help me fix my installation,basicly,apt-get wont work and software center/update manager wont work
[19:21] <tgm4883> Chris___, you might want to try #ubuntu
[19:46] <ddeathly> ok i have a problem,basicly i corrupted python,i have reinstalled python 2.6 but now apt-get,software center,and update manager and more wotn work?
[19:53] <ddeathly> noone can help?
[20:13] <popey> ddeathly, this really isn't the right place. you have a question on askubuntu, but also we have #ubuntu for support questions
[20:13] <popey> ddeathly, your question isn't related to unity, so is out of place here
[20:14] <popey> ddeathly, also you didnt follow the instructions correctly on askubuntu
[20:14] <popey> someone suggested apt-get -f --reinstall install python python-minimal python2.7 python-doc python-tk
[20:14] <popey> you did apt-get -f reinstall install python python-minimal python2.7 python-doc python-tk
[20:14] <popey> missing the "--" before "reinstall"
[22:06] <bobweaver> Hello there anyone know how to start Unity Standalone in 6.2 ?
[22:07] <popey> how do you mean bobweaver ?
[22:07] <bobweaver> I have tried "unity force-tv "    unity  "force_tv"
[22:07] <bobweaver> popey,  in 6.2 well I was RE I found that there is a new standalone
[22:07] <bobweaver> for the TV It loos
[22:07] <bobweaver> looks *
[22:08] <bobweaver> but compiz keeps saying that it can not find the plug in :/
[22:08] <popey> has "force_tv" ever worked?
[22:08] <popey> didn't realise we'd added that option
[22:10] <bobweaver> I am going to try andbuild it via qtcreator it says that it is a option
[22:31] <davidcalle> bobweaver, you can change Unity to standalone in dconf, if that's what you are asking
[22:32] <davidcalle> bobweaver, com.canonical.unity.form-factor TV
[22:32] <davidcalle> bobweaver, then restart unity as usual.
[22:38] <bobweaver> thanks davidcalle


[06:59] <sahid> jamespage, coreycb: I'm currently rebasing horizon stein, but i can't remember how to refresh xstatic
[09:49] <enyc> LocutusOfBorg: I can confirm bionic-proposed  virtualbox 5.2.32  works at least as well as 5.2.18 was, for me!
[10:32] <enyc> LocutusOfBorg: i'm having weird lockups and radeon errors in dmesg  ... going to rty to get it all going on  intel-gpu  or difeent machine!
[11:48] <LocutusOfBorg> enyc, can you please update the bug report too?
[11:48] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks!
[12:29] <ahasenack> sil2100: hi, good morning/afternoon, could you give me some hint about what happened with this billeto run? https://bileto.ubuntu.com/excuses/3763/eoan.html
[12:29] <ahasenack> sil2100: I've been seeing these kind of results (still running, always failed) in all my eoan runs
[12:30] <ahasenack> I see it running for a while in that /running url, with logs and all, and then it just disappears, but the state in the eoan.html page isn't updated
[12:36] <coreycb> sahid: check out debian/README.source
[12:37] <sahid> coreycb: the problem is not about to build th tarbal it's about to include it
[12:38] <coreycb> sahid: you'll need to use debuild if you're not using it
[12:39] <sahid> i tried but that does not look to work, can you confirm the args i should pass to debuild?
[12:39] <sahid> coreycb: ^
[12:40] <coreycb> sahid: i use debuild -S -sa
[12:40] <coreycb> sahid: are both tarballs in the parent directory?
[12:43] <sahid> coreycb: yep both tarballs, orig.tar.gz and orig-xstatic.tar.gz
[12:43] <sahid> but pehrpas the problem is somewhere else
[12:44] <sahid> looks like there are diff related to local_seetings.py.example
[13:16] <sil2100> ahasenack: let me get back to you in a minute
[13:19] <ahasenack> sil2100: thanks
[13:50] <sil2100> ahasenack: ok, so all the logs for those runs were gone, so I couldn't really figure out what happened
[13:50] <sil2100> ahasenack: I re-set the QA field to trigger another britney run and now the updated results have been uploaded
[13:51] <sil2100> ahasenack: it's hard for me to figure out what happened - I can only assume that for some strange reason britney reported all test results as 'always failed', so bileto decided that it makes no sense to run britney on it ever again
[13:53] <sil2100> ahasenack: if you notice such situation ever again, please poke me - but if you want to get some test results in such a moment, you can try the 'workaround' of toggling the QA field to possibly tigger britney to run again
[13:53] <ahasenack> just a sec, otp
[13:54] <sil2100> Of couse best if you could just poke me, then maybe we can still get some logs from the britney run that considered the tests as always failing and, therefore, as passing validation
[13:54] <sil2100> But here this happened somewhere around the 26th
[13:54] <sil2100> We only keep logs like around 12h back or something?
[13:55] <ahasenack> back
[13:56] <ahasenack> sil2100: ok, I see passes now
[13:57] <ahasenack> weird, and it was super quick
[13:57] <ahasenack> sil2100: I'll to the qa flip trick if this happens again, and ping you as well
[13:57] <ahasenack> sil2100: thanks for the help!
[14:00] <rbasak> juliank: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jryp4CfNHs/ - "apt update" returns success even with no connectivity. Is this a bug?
[14:00] <sil2100> ahasenack: yeah, so what was happening that all the tests have started and finished in timely fashion, but since bileto saw britney at the first run reporting as all the tests as 'always failed', it switched the ticket's status to 'ADT passed' and not ran britney ever again for it
[14:01] <juliank> rbasak: it's a feature
[14:01] <sil2100> ahasenack: so the tests passed but a britney run was needed to actually update the results
[14:01] <ahasenack> sil2100: I see
[14:01] <rbasak> juliank: it means that if I do things in a fresh container too early (eg. adding -proposed), then apt update fails, the subsequent apt install loses the race and succeeds, and I get non-proposed packages installed.
[14:01] <rbasak> And upgrading up changes behaviour in my case because the upgrade path is different from the fresh install path :-/
[14:02] <juliank> rbasak: true, it's always been like this, because the idea was to not break scripts because of temporary failures
[14:02] <rbasak> :-(
[14:03] <rbasak> Those scripts should use ; and not && IMHO
[14:03] <rbasak> The script authors get to pick, but returning success means that I can't pick the latter :(
[14:03] <juliank> rbasak: I want to add two more error handling modes
[14:04] <juliank> So you can configure what causes a failure
[14:04] <rbasak> And then we can set Ubuntu to default to sensible behaviour? :-P
[14:04] <sil2100> Laney: hey! Would you be able to find some cycles this week to check out the SRU ADT messages MP? No hurry on that one, just a bit sad about not annoying people with ADT regression comments ;)
[14:04] <rbasak> Anyway, thank you for the explanation. I've registered my use case with you, and I'll leave the decisions to you :-)
[14:05] <juliank> rbasak: apt-gets behaviour won't change, but I gotta figure out stable CLI for the apt command
[14:05] <rbasak> juliank: that doesn't help with script users, who are not supposed to use apt directly!
[14:06] <rbasak> For apt, outside scripting, the exit value hardly matters anyway?
[14:06] <juliank> That's why I said I want to figure out stable CLI for them
[14:06] <juliank> So we can fully deprecate apt-*
[14:06] <rbasak> I see, OK
[14:07] <juliank> Probably not the best time to think about it now, as I just landed like 2 hours ago coming from Rio to Frankfurt ;)
[14:10] <rbasak> Put your laptop away then :-P
[14:11] <rbasak> BTW, would you like a bug for this?
[14:18] <juliank> rbasak: probably got a few bugs already (definitely in Debian)
[14:19] <juliank> rbasak: also typing on my phone in a train on flaky connection, not my laptop. Can't relax during train ride anyway
[14:19] <juliank> :D
[14:19] <rbasak> :)
[14:35] <ahasenack> tjaalton: hi, thoughts about sssd 2.2? They jumped from 1.16 to 2.0, 2.1 and now 2.2? is that experimental?
[14:48] <tjaalton> ahasenack: hi, shouldn't be too experimental now with the most obvious (packaging) bugs fixed
[14:48] <ahasenack> tjaalton: any idea why upstream was jumping versions like this?
[14:48] <tjaalton> 2.0 deprecated some features
[14:49] <ahasenack> and 2.1 -> 2.2? No 2.1 point releases that I can see
[14:49] <ahasenack> do you know if they have a concept of lts releases, and if 1.16 is one of those?
[14:49] <tjaalton> it was
[14:50] <tjaalton> i thinl
[14:50] <tjaalton> think
[14:50] <ahasenack> LTM
[14:51] <ahasenack> that's 1.13.x actually (long term maintenance)
[14:51] <ahasenack> for major version 2, they call it 2.x series, not even 2.1.x or 2.2.x, just 2.x
[14:51] <ahasenack> ok, I'll put it on my merge list
[15:00] <tjaalton> cool
[15:02] <rbasak> !dmb-ping
[15:15] <milloni> hi, is anyone here involved in work on security features?
[15:16] <milloni> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/Features
[15:18] <nacc> milloni: not sure but you may want to try #ubuntu-hardened?
[15:18] <rbasak> milloni: try #ubuntu-hardened, but you should actually ask your question - people don't generally volunteer themselves for a mystery convesration
[15:18] <milloni> isn't ubuntu-hardened a separate project
[15:19] <milloni> rbasak: i know :) i didn't get an answer directly last time so i thought i would reach try to find people directly involved in that
[15:19] <rbasak> #ubuntu-hardened is the security channel of the Ubuntu project.
[15:19] <milloni> but if anyone here knows - my question is - is there a reason you're not using mcheck for heap hardening
[15:19] <rbasak> cpaelzer, rafaeldtinoco: #debian-mysql on OFTC for MySQL discussion
[15:19] <milloni> i'm eyeballing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/Features#heap-protector
[15:20] <rbasak> Ask in #ubuntu-hardened please.
[15:20] <milloni> okay
[15:20] <milloni> thanks
[20:57] <mwhudson> good morning


[22:48] <ScottHarder[m]> Hi fowl , the first step would be to access the logs and see if anything stands out. If you upload a copy here we might be able to tell you more
[22:48] <ScottHarder[m]> https://multipass.run/docs/accessing-logs#heading--windows


 I had to dig my way out after crossing the glass over lava place
[06:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> tno
[06:23] <Kilos> ja man dit het my soos n kwaai virus beet
[06:23] <Maaz> ThatGraemeGuy: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell ThatGraemeGuy when you login call me before you go down please i cant find your entrance" 14 hours, 40 minutes and 39 seconds ago
[06:24] <Kilos> oh my
[06:24] <mazal> Well , at least Maaz never forget hey :)
[06:24] <Kilos> musta been too tired at 2 am to find it
[06:24] <Kilos> haha
[06:34] <Kilos> hiya superfly
[06:34] <superfly> morning Kilos
[06:35] <superfly> Kilos: you're managing to get up early still? after being online all night?
[06:35] <Kilos> yip sore head waking me
[06:35] <Kilos> but i seem to be adjusting some
[06:37] <Kilos> and weenie was there at 2 am, havent been to see what he was up to apart from sign boards showing way home for me
[06:37] <Kilos> good lad
[06:46] <Kilos> hi JabberwockyA19
[06:47] <Kilos> Maaz  announce Don't forget tonights meeting here at 20.30 guys and gals
[06:47] <Maaz> Hear ye, hear ye!  I ran outa wood after 280 or 380 ladders so had to come back home
[06:55] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:58] <Squirm> how is everyone doing?
[06:58] <Squirm> it feels like it's been a while
[06:58] <Trixar_za> Hey Squirm
[06:59] <Squirm> heya Trixar_za
[06:59] <Squirm> Trixar_za: I'm surprised we still have so many people idling on GigIRC :P
[07:01] <Trixar_za> Yeah
[07:01] <Trixar_za> I see the problem with my minetest - it's two versions out of date
[07:01] <Trixar_za> lol
[07:01] <Trixar_za> :P
[07:02] <Trixar_za> There we go - minetestc55 installed instead
[07:03] <Trixar_za> I'm still hopelessly lost in the caves
[07:03] <Squirm> lol
[07:03] <Squirm> I had that game on my phone
[07:03] <Squirm> hmm
[07:07] <Trixar_za> :P
[07:07] <Trixar_za> I see servers have to deal with lag
[07:11] <superfly> oh dear, here's bduk, coming to complain again about something :-P
[07:11] <Trixar_za> Hmmm - it crashed
[07:12] <jabberwocky_> môre Kilos, o/ all
[07:12] <Kilos> hahaha @ fly
[07:13] <superfly> I notice he's not on minetest (yet)
[07:13] <bduk> Morning everyone
[07:13] <superfly> hi bduk :-)
[07:13] <Kilos> they have to act busy when the boss is around
[07:14] <Kilos> cell doors are very close there
[07:14] <bduk> Hey superfly watch it is the server playable this morning??
[07:14] <superfly> bduk: only as playable as your connection
[07:14] <Kilos> its fine bduk
[07:16] <Kilos> you single okes with money burning a hole in your pockets and bad connections can look at these prices
[07:16] <Kilos> http://www.yahclick-satellite.co.za/products
[07:17] <bduk> Theyre to expensive i checked them out already.
[07:17] <Kilos> initial outlay for the dish and stuf is about R4500 i think but then prices good for peeps that dont waste data
[07:17] <Kilos> R233 for 4.5g is cheaper than 8ta
[07:18] <Kilos> ooops i gotta take sheep out
[07:19] <bduk> Now days if you have a pc it costs you data i'm not talking bout downloading movies and things like that. All the games have huge updates, linux updates so it is getting harder and harder to get away with little data
[07:28] <Kilos> 2+1 was fine for me , but with this online game i need 3g just for the game
[07:29] <Kilos> linux updates arent all that heavy
[07:30] <Kilos> compare 2+1 for R149 to 4.5g for R233
[07:38] <Kilos> im gonna disconnect the game everytime i gotta go afk and see what data i have used by tonight
[07:39] <Kilos> used 110m yesterday
[07:44] <Trixar_za> ifconfig
[07:44] <Trixar_za> er
[07:44] <Trixar_za> :P
[07:46] <charl_> good morning
[07:46] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[07:46]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[07:46] <charl_> hi Kilos, Trixar_za, bduk, superfly
[07:47] <Kilos> hi charl_
[07:47] <Trixar_za> Hey charl_
[07:47] <Trixar_za> and yeah, it is
[07:47] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee please
[07:47] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto
[07:47] <Trixar_za> But turning off the preloading seemed to have sped up loading of areas for me
[07:48] <superfly> hi charl_
[07:48] <superfly> Maaz: coffee please
[07:48] <Maaz> superfly: Yessir
[07:49] <Trixar_za> Nope - I'm pretty much learning this as I go
[07:50] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_, Kilos and superfly!
[07:51] <Kilos> Maaz  ty
[07:51] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[07:52] <Trixar_za> Hmmm - I'm high on glass
[07:52] <Trixar_za> :P
[08:21] <magespawn> good morning all
[08:35] <charl_> hi magespawn
[09:11] <smile> hi :p
[09:12] <Kerbero[dsp]> hi smile
[09:12] <Kerbero[dsp]> hoe gaat het vandaag in st niklaas?
[09:13] <Kerbero[dsp]> did you go and vote on sunday?
[09:13] <smile> goed hoor :D
[09:13] <smile> I did ;)
[09:13] <smile> For the best ones of course :p
[09:13] <Kerbero[dsp]> for geert wilders?
[09:13] <smile> nope :p
[09:13] <Kerbero[dsp]> lol
[09:13] <smile> I live in belgium lol :p
[09:13] <smile> you need to vote for Vlaams Belang then ;)
[09:14] <Kerbero[dsp]> i heard he geert was rallying in vlaandere as well
[09:14] <Kerbero[dsp]> so what are you up to these days?
[09:14] <smile> Oh, he would come to Belgium, but after controversy he didn't come :p
[09:14] <Kerbero[dsp]> o i see
[09:15] <smile> I'm studying for my exams :) And I've programmed a lot of stuff, including http://hugsmile.eu/en/wikilist/
[09:15] <smile> And I was in the newspaper! :D
[09:15] <smile> http://hugsmile.eu/tools/media/ :p
[09:16] <Kerbero[dsp]> internet is traag hier...
[09:16] <Kerbero[dsp]> maar ik kijk wel over een paar minuten
[09:16] <smile> oke :p
[09:16] <Kerbero[dsp]> ahh, about your wikipedia work
[09:16] <Kerbero[dsp]> nice
[09:17] <smile> yeah :D
[09:17] <smile> Twice ;)
[09:17] <Kerbero[dsp]> i can't remember my uncles volkskrant login details :(
[09:18] <smile> I'm looking for my local copy :p
[09:19] <smile> Found! :)
[09:19] <Kerbero[dsp]> o, ik ben inglogd
[09:19] <smile> oh :p
[09:19] <smile> oke :p
[09:19] <Kerbero[dsp]> :D
[09:19] <smile> :D
[09:20] <Kerbero[dsp]> laatste raaiskoot was goed
[09:20] <smile> whats that? :p
[09:20] <Kerbero[dsp]> last guess for login details was correct
[09:21] <smile> okee! :p
[09:21] <smile> raaiskoot = gok :p
[09:21] <smile> :)
[09:21] <Kerbero[dsp]> ja
[09:21] <smile> :)
[09:21] <smile> raai = raden :p
[09:21] <smile> = guess :p
[09:21] <Kerbero[dsp]> netso
[09:21] <smile> skoot = try :p
[09:21] <Kerbero[dsp]> nou leer jy ook 'n bietjie afrikaans vandag
[09:22] <Kerbero[dsp]> so if i understand correctly form that article you code on the one wiki bot?
[09:22] <smile> nou, ek het nie 'n eksame afrikaans nie, jammer :p
[09:22] <smile> Kerbero[dsp]: yeah, kind of :p
[09:23] <smile> I use Wikilist + AutoWikibrowser + pywikipedia + other scripts to make lists and to do the work for me :p
[09:23] <smile> WikiList & scripts I programmed myself :p
[09:23] <Kerbero[dsp]> smile, when do you do an exchange to south africa?
[09:23] <smile> When Kerbero[dsp] is at home! :p
[09:23] <smile> Maybe in two years :)
[09:23] <Kerbero[dsp]> lol
[09:23] <smile> when I graduate ;)
[09:23] <Kerbero[dsp]> no then i might be in belgium
[09:23] <smile> :o
[09:24] <smile> You bastard :o
[09:24] <smile> You're welcome, Kerbero[dsp] :p
[09:24] <smile> ;)
[09:24] <Kerbero[dsp]> can't you do a erasmus exchange to a uni here?
[09:24] <Kerbero[dsp]> or are you not at uni yet?
[09:25] <smile> Yeah, but not this year :) (I'm not university, but "hogeschool", which you can compare to university, but more practically)
[09:25] <Kerbero[dsp]> ahh i see
[09:25] <Kerbero[dsp]> i might go to ku leuven next year or the next
[09:26] <smile> In Leuven? Because there are other schools which are named KU Leuven (associates) :)
[09:26] <Kerbero[dsp]> in leuven yes
[09:26] <smile> leuk :p
[09:27] <smile> 'n bietjie minder ver als SA, korrek? :D
[09:27] <Kerbero[dsp]> hehe ja
[09:43] <Squirm> hmm
[09:43] <Squirm> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/general/102825-top-weed-smoking-it-professions-in-sa.html
[09:44] <Squirm> looks interesting :P
[09:45] <zeref> Squirm are you one of them?
[09:54] <charl_> ja man, take it easy maaaaan, smoke da afrikan grass maaaan !
[10:01] <smile> brb! :) eating
[10:11] <Kilos> eish power cuts are the bane of my life!
[10:12] <Kilos> so decided to look inside box
[10:12] <Kilos> mining not good for pcs, the amount of dust on fans and heat sinks was astronomical
[10:13] <Kilos> and all the orpan inodes after a power cut aint good either
[10:18] <Trixar_za> Hmmm
[10:18] <Trixar_za> Seems there is a fork called Freeminer
[10:26] <Kilos> and now modem decides to show connected when it isnt
[10:26] <Kilos> sigh
[10:26]  * Kilos waits for ons werk hier
[10:32] <mobilemonkey> Good day
[10:32] <mobilemonkey> Meeting is tonight :-)
[10:32] <Kilos> my monkey
[10:33] <Kilos> ya
[10:34] <Kilos> im sure half the meet will be about minetest
[10:35] <Kilos> thats why the pro kamstig cant make it
[10:36] <Kilos> yo Golynx
[10:36] <Golynx> hi Kilos
[10:36] <Kilos> whats news lad
[10:36] <Golynx> i got it thanks
[10:36] <Kilos> yw
[10:37] <Kilos> you been scarce
[10:38] <Golynx> been out of town for a while
[10:38] <Kilos> ah
[10:41] <mobilemonkey> Are you tired kilos? That mine kept you up
[10:41] <mobilemonkey> Just had hair cut
[10:42] <Kilos> i was here early mobilemonkey
[10:42] <Kilos> head woke me , thats all that suffers with late nights
[10:46] <mobilemonkey> Hehe
[10:46] <mobilemonkey> Im looking at how mods are made. Uses lua scripting
[10:48] <Kilos> cool
[11:01] <Kilos> mobilemonkey  you gonna learn lua
[11:02] <Kilos> learn enough to remove the water by miles's deep mine or whatever you called it
[11:03] <Kilos> water not good if it can leak into the lava later and cause more earthquakes for me
[11:03] <mobilemonkey> Hehe
[11:04] <Kilos> im sure im runnig outa lives
[11:07] <Kilos> i go eat be good
[11:08] <Kilos> Maaz  watch them
[11:08] <Maaz> OK Kilos I'll keep an eye on them for you
[11:14] <smile> cu! :)
[11:31] <Kilos> hi smile
[11:32] <smile> hi :)
[11:32] <smile> I'm back again :)
[11:37] <Kerbero[dsp]> there and back again
[11:44] <Kilos> hi Kerbero[dsp]
[11:49] <Kerbero[dsp]> middag oom Kilos
[11:49] <Kilos> jy mis die sports
[11:49] <Kilos> minetest
[11:49] <Kerbero[dsp]> o
[11:50] <Kilos> in repos
[11:50] <Kerbero[dsp]> o ok
[11:50] <Kerbero[dsp]> nee ek moet 'n klomp ander goed doen
[11:50] <Kerbero[dsp]> :(
[11:50] <Kilos> lol ok
[11:50] <Kilos> niemand werk meer nie, almal speel
[11:52] <smile> Kilos: :D my exam "programming in C" went well :p
[11:53] <Kilos> well done smile  keep it up lad
[11:53] <smile> Kilos: thanks, databases tomorrow :)
[11:53] <Kilos> learn
[11:53]  * smile is learning
[11:53] <Kilos> last minute topup
[11:53] <Kilos> good boy
[11:54] <smile> :)
[11:54] <smile> databases are a lot more interesting than the programming language C :p
[12:06] <kbmonkey> :)
[12:09]  * jabberwocky_ adds smile to his friend's list, his got some C projects coming up
[12:09] <smile> jabberwocky_: :)
[12:12] <jabberwocky_> smile: how's your relationship with gdb? :P
[12:12] <smile> non existent :p
[12:12] <jabberwocky_> heh ^_^
[12:12] <smile> I don't debug with gdb :p
[12:12] <smile> I just look at the code, spotting the error :p
[12:12] <smile> If I don't find it, I just jell at my pc :p
[12:15] <jabberwocky_> mallocs aren't my strongest points, I also prefer jelling
[12:18] <jabberwocky_> I actaully have not written any programs in C for a few years, I've got a part time project that I'm doing for fun using AMD's media SDK (C++) for remote gaming
[12:22] <Spekko> WAH T!?
[12:22] <Spekko> eks nog op IRC
[12:22] <Spekko> what magic is this !?
[12:23] <jabberwocky_> The idea is to record games encode to h264 video streams, display them on e.g. raspberry pi. then take the pi's input and send it back to the computer running the game
[12:25] <Squirm> jabberwocky_: Nvidia is working on this tech too. What they wanted to do is create "gaming servers", basically servers with the best hardware. What you do is rent games, the graphics are rendered on their servers, all you see is an HD stream to a small PC that sticks to the back of your TV
[12:25] <jabberwocky_> something like remoteFX except you don't need MS windows server 2008 / 2012 with a firepro / quatro gpu
[12:26] <jabberwocky_> it will work very nicely in first world countries' networks
[12:26] <jabberwocky_> but I'm all for a free open source version that works on all hardware :)
[12:27] <jabberwocky_> my code isn't that great, but I've got my server working just need to write a client on my raspberry pi or galaxy s3 since it's the only other divices i've got
[12:27] <jabberwocky_> it's tricky using Open Max on the raspberry pi for hardware decoding
[12:28] <jabberwocky_> tricky relative to my skills :P
[12:30] <jabberwocky_> there's other things like https://github.com/chunying/gaminganywhere but it's very slow and the video capturing isn't as that good, the pro is that it works on most hardware
[12:45] <mazal> Bye veryone
[12:45] <mazal> everyone even
[14:07] <magespawn> later all see you at the meeting if i can
[14:20] <Kilos> hmm... /me has work for the fly or ThatGraemeGuy  or the monkey , i cant build a bridge through the sky i fall off the end
[14:21] <Kilos> if you look where i am now you can make a plan sometime please. that shaft goes down to -392
[14:23] <Kilos> and safely beyond the lava. dont tell wes or he will come make a waterfall down there
[14:41] <Kilos> hi smaboshe
[14:41] <Kilos> yo zeref  long time
[14:42] <Kilos> Maaz  seen inetpro
[14:42] <Maaz> Kilos: inetpro was last seen 7 hours, 46 minutes and 30 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-05-26 23:55:33 PDT], and has been online on freenode since 2014-05-22 02:31:29 PDT
[14:42] <Kilos> oh my holidays again
[15:05] <smaboshe> Hello everyone! Hi Kilos.
[15:05] <smaboshe> Looking forward to the meeting today :-).
[16:25] <Kilos> yip
[16:26] <Kilos> smaboshe  have you got a good server there or a good host for you peeps
[16:27] <Kilos> Maaz  seen symetria
[16:27] <Maaz> Kilos: I don't know who symetria is
[16:27] <Kilos> ai@
[16:27] <Kilos> Maaz  seen symmetria
[16:27] <Maaz> Kilos: symmetria was last seen 24 days, 8 hours, 12 minutes and 21 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-05-03 01:15:14 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2014-05-12 00:03:09 PDT
[17:02] <smaboshe> Kilos: How do you mean? Would we need a server to set up a local community?
[17:03] <Kilos> no man im thinking about a game called minetest that you can install on it then all your friend can game on the server
[17:03] <Kilos> i gotta go eat now wbb
[17:11] <Kilos> smaboshe  how many ubuntu users are there in your country?
[17:13] <Kilos> or i should ask how many are you in contact with
[17:20] <captine> evening all
[17:21] <Kilos> hi captine
[17:32] <smaboshe> Kilos: I'm not sure the exact numbers in the country.
[17:33] <Kilos> ok
[17:33] <smaboshe> I help out at a tech innovation hub called BongoHive. Several of the people that come out use Ubuntu.
[17:33] <Kilos> cool
[17:34] <smaboshe> We're in touch with the Linux User Groups around and are trying to pull everyone "together".
[17:34] <Kilos> thats the way
[17:41] <kbmonkey> hi, i am back. had to leave work without notice.
[17:41] <kbmonkey> before I got locked in.
[17:45] <Kilos> wb kbmonkey
[17:45] <kbmonkey> ty Kilos
[17:49] <Kilos> haha im a twit
[17:50] <Kilos> tried to build a lekker litup tower top then cant work out how to lift it
[17:51] <Kilos> scared i get squashed between
[17:51] <kbmonkey> it is a strange world, gravity only affects water, sand, gravel
[17:51] <kbmonkey> you can make floating dirt and stone
[17:51] <Kilos> ya lol
[17:52] <kbmonkey> but that is why we play games, right. they don't mirror reality :)
[17:52] <Kilos> yeah you cant respawn in real life
[17:52] <Kilos> only me did
[17:53] <kbmonkey> word
[17:53] <Kilos> but didnt respawn as good as new
[17:55] <Kilos> need lotsa apple and bread i spose
[17:58] <kbmonkey> and coffee too :)
[17:58] <Kilos> oh ya
[17:59] <Kilos> hi gremble
[18:00] <kbmonkey> hello
[18:00] <gremble> Hey Kilos
[18:00] <gremble> hey kbmonkey
[18:02] <kbmonkey> hello maiatoday :]
[18:02] <maiatoday> hi kbmonkey
[18:03] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday  hows our girl?
[18:03] <maiatoday> loan laptop and no irc, so I am in empathy :(
[18:04] <superfly> hi maiatoday!
[18:04] <maiatoday> hi superfly
[18:04] <superfly> smaboshe: hi! whereabouts are you from?
[18:05] <Kilos> kenya or one of them countries
[18:06] <superfly> Kilos: are you still in minetest?
[18:06] <Kilos> yessir superfly
[18:07] <Kilos> waiting there so  i dont get lost hehe
[18:07] <Kilos> watched monkey fall three or four times
[18:07] <Kilos> whew
[18:08] <kbmonkey> yes superfly we got this one addicted
[18:10] <kbmonkey> superfly, just for fun have a look at this mod https://forum.minetest.net/mmdb/mod/travelnet/ - a Dr Who Tardis telphone box
[18:13] <kbmonkey> been staring at the agenda for tonight
[18:13] <kbmonkey> trying to think of more items to add
[18:13] <kbmonkey> but alas
[18:15] <gremble> If you want a long conversation, just add some political matter to it.
[18:15] <kbmonkey> nope no long conversations required gremble
[18:15] <superfly> is Kilos going to do a report back on minetest?
[18:15] <kbmonkey> ha ha ha
[18:16] <kbmonkey> "mining production is down 35 percent this week"
[18:16] <superfly> Kilos: you hear me?
[18:16] <Kilos> haha add minetest to the agenda
[18:16] <Kilos> i wanna comment there
[18:16] <kbmonkey> it is in the previous minutes
[18:16]  * Kilos watching fly build sky bridge
[18:17] <Kilos> ok
[18:22] <smaboshe> superfly: Hi! I'm from Zambia.
[18:22] <kbmonkey> if yuo had to ask me what dayof the week it feels like, I would say between sunday and monday
[18:25] <kbmonkey> Hi smaboshe
[18:26] <smaboshe> Hi kbmonkey.
[18:26] <Kilos> kbmonkey  he is going to start a loco there
[18:26] <kbmonkey> cool smaboshe !
[18:26] <Kilos> hi Gripen  welcome to ubuntu-za
[18:26] <Gripen> Hi Everyone - thank you.
[18:26] <kbmonkey> welcome Gripen
[18:28] <kbmonkey> all is quiet
[18:28] <kbmonkey> Kilos, ring the town bell!
[18:28] <kbmonkey> brb 2 min
[18:29] <Kilos> lol
[18:30] <kbmonkey> got me some ice water
[18:30] <Kilos> kbmonkey  you got control of the bot?
[18:31] <kbmonkey> I believe so Kilos
[18:31] <Kilos> ok i go shout at superfly
[18:32] <superfly> why you shouting at me, Kilos?
[18:32] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee on
[18:32]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[18:32] <Kilos> haha you too fast man
[18:32] <Kilos> i can just look and wonder at you working there
[18:32]  * superfly keeps an eye on Kilos
[18:33] <nlsthzn> sup peeps
[18:33] <Kilos> wb nlsthzn  where you been
[18:33] <Kilos> hi Golynx_
[18:33] <kbmonkey> sup nlsthzn
[18:33] <Golynx_> hi Kilos
[18:33] <Kilos> kbmonkey  you starting or waiting for better days
[18:34] <superfly> wow, look who's being pushy!
[18:34] <kbmonkey> waiting for my coffee, kilos!
[18:34] <Kilos> ah
[18:34] <kbmonkey> Maaz, begin meeting about monthly Ubuntu-ZA irc meeting
[18:34] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Excuse me?
[18:34] <nlsthzn> sometimes life happens... but at least I can join in tonight (slightly)... night shift ;)
[18:35] <kbmonkey> Maaz, start meeting about monthly Ubuntu-ZA irc meeting
[18:35]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[18:35] <Kilos> sjoe missed you man
[18:35] <kbmonkey> maaz topic Welcome and introduction
[18:35] <nlsthzn> <3
[18:35] <Maaz> Current Topic: Welcome and introduction
[18:35] <Kilos> you missing all the fun
[18:35] <Kilos> Maaz  I am Miles Sharpe
[18:35] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[18:35] <kbmonkey> Welcome everybody to our meeting!
[18:35] <smile> salvation is free. :p
[18:35] <smile> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q95ZKqE5dfU
[18:35] <captine> Maaz, I am Bradley Putzier
[18:35] <Maaz> captine: Yessir
[18:35] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[18:35] <Maaz> superfly: Sure
[18:35] <smile> (The Cranberries - Salvation)
[18:36] <nlsthzn> Maaz: I am Neil Oosthuizen
[18:36] <Maaz> nlsthzn: Done
[18:36] <kbmonkey> If you are new here, say hello to our memo bot Maaz
[18:36] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for kbmonkey!
[18:36] <smile> http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/cranberries/salvation.html :D
[18:36] <Kilos> smile  meeting time login please
[18:36] <kbmonkey> Maaz, I am Wesley Werner
[18:36] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Sure
[18:36] <Gripen> Maaz: I am Heinn Enslin
[18:36] <Maaz> Gripen: Yessir
[18:36]  * smile is gone
[18:36] <smaboshe> Maaz: I'm Silumesii Maboshe
[18:36] <Maaz> smaboshe: *blink*
[18:37] <nlsthzn> "my name is"
[18:37] <kbmonkey> glad you can make it nlsthzn :)
[18:37] <Kilos> you gotta say I am
[18:37] <gremble> Maaz, my name is Jaco Stroebel
[18:37] <Maaz> gremble: I already know stuff about my name
[18:37] <kbmonkey> oh and welcome gremble !
[18:37] <gremble> Oh
[18:37] <gremble> Haha
[18:37] <nlsthzn> I mean I am lol
[18:37] <nlsthzn> >.<
[18:37] <gremble> Why does he know my name? XD
[18:37] <gremble> Oh, he doesnt
[18:37] <gremble> :P
[18:37] <superfly> smaboshe: Maaz is a little dumb, you have to be precise
[18:37] <maiatoday> Maaz I am Maia Grotepass
[18:37] <Maaz> maiatoday: Sure
[18:38] <gremble> maaz, I am Jaco Stroebel
[18:38] <Maaz> gremble: Done
[18:38] <kbmonkey> he does not understand "I'm", only "I am" :p
[18:38] <smaboshe> Maaz: I am Silumesii Maboshe
[18:38] <Maaz> smaboshe: Alrighty
[18:38] <nlsthzn> thanks kbmonkey
[18:38] <nlsthzn> nice to see new names :)
[18:38] <smaboshe> thanks superfly
[18:39] <kbmonkey> Welcome everybody. The agenda for tonight's meeting lives at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20140527
[18:39] <kbmonkey> so usually we just go through our tiny list of items and sometimes a banana gets thrown... so on with the show
[18:40] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Review previous minutes
[18:40] <Maaz> Current Topic: Review previous minutes
[18:40]  * maiatoday throws kbmonkey a banana
[18:40] <nlsthzn> time flies like an arrow, fruit fly like a banana
[18:40] <kbmonkey> that was quick :D
[18:40] <Golynx_> Kilos can we activate this thing tomorrow pleas3 ?
[18:40]  * Kilos throws one too
[18:40] <Kilos> Golynx_  yip
[18:40] <captine> Golynx_, activate?
[18:41] <Golynx_> Kilos ok good
[18:41] <kbmonkey> okay, last time Vince-0 shared the link to the RMS talk that was recorded at UKZN,
[18:41] <Golynx_> captine some software :)
[18:42] <kbmonkey> http://durbanlinux.org.za/?p=292 RMS recording
[18:42] <nlsthzn> where the links shared on the mailing list too?
[18:42] <kbmonkey> for those who missed it last time
[18:42] <Kilos> were
[18:42] <nlsthzn> >.>
[18:44] <kbmonkey> hmm, I will check. meanwhile there was the 14.04 release parties to organize...
[18:44] <kbmonkey> bad monkey for not organizing anything in due time
[18:44] <nlsthzn> k thx kbmonkey... google likes to nuke mailing list mails
[18:45] <maiatoday> sorry I didn't make a party either
[18:45] <kbmonkey> ah nlsthzn I got a mail through the dlug list, but don't see one via our za list
[18:45] <nlsthzn> it is supported for 5 years, lots of time for parties :p
[18:45] <kbmonkey> true that nl
[18:45] <captine> Vince-0, kbmonkey can we seed that file as a torrent or something?  I struggle to download it. Seems very slow?
[18:46] <captine> or put it on youtube?
[18:46] <kbmonkey> captine, good idea if anyone is willing to seed it :)
[18:47]  * nlsthzn will seed when I get home
[18:47] <kbmonkey> I believe the nature of the talk, and the formats youtube implement, make it difficult captine ;)
[18:47] <gremble> I think RMS will get a stroke if you put it on youtube
[18:47] <kbmonkey> ^ and that
[18:47] <Kilos> thye tube sucks
[18:47] <captine> lol
[18:47] <captine> cool
[18:47] <Kilos> the as well
[18:47] <gremble> at the FSD last year he spent like 10min telling the people not to put it on facebook and youtube :P
[18:48] <gremble> SFD*
[18:48] <kbmonkey> exactly that gremble
[18:48] <nlsthzn> more reason to upload it >:)
[18:49] <kbmonkey> evil sneaky neelsy >:)
[18:49] <nlsthzn> lol
[18:49] <gremble> He will caress you with that facial hair. Do you want that?
[18:49] <gremble> Are you willing to risk it?
[18:49] <nlsthzn> touched by an angel :)
[18:49] <kbmonkey> and finally in last meeting superfly set up a minetest server to play on
[18:50] <kbmonkey> if you want the server's url superfly asked he be contacted
[18:50] <superfly> yes
[18:50] <kbmonkey> ha ha gremble. thanks for that imagery.
[18:51]  * nlsthzn not tried minetest, only minecraft
[18:51] <kbmonkey> Kilos, has his status update for mining operations after the meeting
[18:51] <Kilos> haha
[18:52] <kbmonkey> right, next...
[18:52] <Kilos> minetest is free and in the repos
[18:52] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Releases
[18:52] <Maaz> Current Topic: Releases
[18:52] <kbmonkey> so who is running or using 14.04?
[18:52]  * maiatoday is
[18:52] <Kilos> me in unity and kde
[18:52] <kbmonkey> I must admit to installing it but not having used it on a daily basis yet
[18:53] <Kilos> slacker
[18:53] <kbmonkey> this stacking windows environment is .. different
[18:53] <kbmonkey> heh Kilos, trust you to kick my ass into gear ;)
[18:53] <superfly> I upgraded to 14.04 when the beta came out
[18:53] <Kilos> hehe
[18:53] <superfly> (KDE)
[18:54] <Kilos> i hear that miners in the background
[18:54] <captine> i am on 14.04 since beta 2
[18:54] <Kilos> sigh multitaskers
[18:54] <kbmonkey> the setup seems improved, I like the live OTB wifi detection
[18:54] <Gripen> I am using 14.04
[18:55] <kbmonkey> but feels less control over the install process
[18:55] <nlsthzn> Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
[18:55]  * kbmonkey slaps nlsthzn with a large wet trout
[18:55] <captine> anyone running btrfs? linuxactionshow survey wasn't very promising...
[18:55] <Kilos> imo 14.04 has more setting up to personalise but once done it is very stable and works well
[18:56] <kbmonkey> cool Gripen, how do you find it?
[18:56]  * smaboshe Looks up Btrfs
[18:56] <kbmonkey> Excellent Kilos :D
[18:56] <Gripen> I must agree with Kilos, I am enjoying it, stable and working well
[18:57] <Gripen> Struggling to get printers working on it though
[18:57] <gremble> is btrfs still being produced? The creator was imprisoned if I recall correctly
[18:57] <captine> gremble, didnt know about prison.  definitely still being actively developed
[18:58] <nlsthzn> afaik it is becoming default in opensuse and various other distro's...
[18:58] <gremble> Oh good. It looked like a promising file system
[18:58] <gremble> Might switch mine out to give it a whirl
[18:58] <captine> also love the stability.  i just get an issue with the resumeing... some checksumresume thing...
[18:58] <kbmonkey> GPL licensed so indeeed it will live on
[18:59] <nlsthzn> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTYzNjA ah default come opensuse 13.2
[18:59] <nlsthzn> even friendface going to be using it
[19:00] <kbmonkey> thanks nlsthzn!
[19:00] <kbmonkey> right next up we have events
[19:00] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Events
[19:00] <Maaz> Current Topic: Events
[19:01] <Kilos> hi mazal
[19:01] <kbmonkey> so first a thanks to maiatoday for sending out DVD's - thank you maia!
[19:01] <maiatoday> :)
[19:01] <nlsthzn> +1
[19:01] <mazal> maaz I am Wikus
[19:01] <Maaz> mazal: Sure
[19:01] <kbmonkey> you win 100 internets
[19:01] <maiatoday> some people have got the parcels and others not yet
[19:01] <kbmonkey> welcome mazal
[19:02] <maiatoday> I have had some emails saying the parcels are there
[19:02]  * nlsthzn hasn't gotten one yet but didn't expect to in any case
[19:02] <mazal> ta
[19:02] <Vince-0> (i'm still at work)
[19:02] <maiatoday> also I drove through to Cape Town to get some to the UCT people
[19:02] <Kilos> aw Vince-0  that kinda sucks
[19:02] <kbmonkey> dedication, word!
[19:03] <Vince-0> more like wage slavery! bbl
[19:03] <Kilos> hi spinza
[19:03] <kbmonkey> and then on 20th Sep is software freedom day.
[19:03] <kbmonkey> we remind ourselves each month to not forget of course
[19:03] <kbmonkey> maybe go have a read through their site at http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/
[19:04] <smile> good night! :)
[19:04] <nlsthzn> night
[19:04] <Kilos> night smile
[19:04] <smile> thanks :) u2
[19:04] <Kilos> ty
[19:04] <Kilos> lekker slaap
[19:04] <smile> jy ook ;)
[19:05] <Gripen> Cool - wil do that
[19:05] <gremble> Are there any SFD events in the Gauteng area? I cant see where to see on the site :P
[19:05] <kbmonkey> their events map for 2014 is not up yet :P
[19:06] <kbmonkey> so best bet is to ask here and on the mailing list gremble
[19:06] <superfly> gremble: the best person to speak to about SFD in Gauteng is probably Karl Fischer
[19:06] <captine> gremble, looks like they only listing 2013 events on the site still...
[19:06] <kbmonkey> no doubt closer to the time we will have more
[19:07] <gremble> The Hackhouse that my friend regularly visits was closely affiliated with the event last year, so when I go there I will enquire
[19:07] <kbmonkey> Excellent gremble !
[19:08] <kbmonkey> Oh dear we have nearly run out of agenda items...
[19:08] <Kilos> make a new one
[19:08] <Kilos> i told you too
[19:08] <kbmonkey> any other events we don't know of?
[19:08] <nlsthzn> short meetings ftw?
[19:09] <kbmonkey> true that. succinct and fun > slow and boring
[19:09] <Kilos> i have something to say before you close
[19:09] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Something to say
[19:09] <Maaz> Current Topic: Something to say
[19:09] <kbmonkey> go ahead, Kilos
[19:09] <Kilos> haha
[19:09] <Kilos> ty
[19:09] <mazal> lol
[19:10] <kbmonkey> ;)
[19:10] <nlsthzn> Ek wil iets sê en ek gaan dit sê :p
[19:10] <Kilos> i would like to thank superfly  for sharing his server with us and always being there to lend a hand
[19:10] <mazal> +1 x100
[19:11] <superfly> oom, dis 'n plesier!
[19:11] <kbmonkey> Thank you superfly!
[19:11] <superfly> Kilos: I'd have it no other way!
[19:11] <nlsthzn> +1
[19:11] <mazal> It's awesome of you superfly , thank you very much !!
[19:11] <maiatoday> +1
[19:11] <nlsthzn> what happened to the karma point thingy?
[19:11] <Kilos> oh ya
[19:12] <kbmonkey> we got real karma here
[19:12] <Kilos> Maaz  karma superfly +
[19:12] <Maaz> Kilos: nobody cares, dude
[19:12] <Kilos> eish
[19:12] <kbmonkey> bwha ha ha
[19:12] <kbmonkey> that was uber cheeky
[19:12] <Kilos> i forgot how to do it
[19:12] <Kilos> Maaz  superfly  +1
[19:12] <Maaz> Kilos: *blink*
[19:13] <Kilos> ai!
[19:13] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Elect next meeting chair
[19:13] <Maaz> Current Topic: Elect next meeting chair
[19:13] <Kilos> superfly  tell me how please
[19:13] <superfly> Kilos: I think it's just "++"
[19:13]  * Kilos votes for kbmonkey
[19:13] <kbmonkey> I am game
[19:13] <superfly> Maaz: Kilos++ [ just being himself ]
[19:13] <Kilos> Maaz  superfly ++
[19:14] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:14] <kbmonkey> anyone ever curious to chair then talk to me, otherwise I am available
[19:14]  * nlsthzn seconds kbmonkey
[19:14] <Kilos> Maaz  hmm...
[19:14] <Maaz> hmm... is often used to try make others believe one is actually thinking
[19:14] <kbmonkey> Maaz, agreed kbmonkey (wesley) to chair next meeting
[19:14] <Maaz> Agreed: kbmonkey (wesley) to chair next meeting
[19:14] <kbmonkey> oh my we forgot to agree more things
[19:14] <maiatoday> thanks kbmonkey
[19:15] <captine> thnx kbmonkey
[19:15] <Kilos> kbmonkey  what things
[19:15] <Kilos> maiatoday  you gotta make more time
[19:15] <kbmonkey> next meeting is set for ... 4th tuesday of June, which is..
[19:15] <kbmonkey> 24th
[19:15] <kbmonkey> yes?
[19:15] <maiatoday> I try Kilos
[19:15]  * nlsthzn will d/l and set up a torrent of the RMS video
[19:15] <kbmonkey> excellent nlsthzn :)
[19:15] <nlsthzn> and will post the link on the mailing list
[19:16] <nlsthzn> of both the blog post and the torrent link
[19:16] <kbmonkey> Maaz, idea seed the RMS video
[19:16] <Maaz> Idea recorded: seed the RMS video
[19:16] <Kilos> maiatoday  install minetest from the repos and you will find how much more time you have
[19:16] <kbmonkey> torrent is open right?
[19:16] <kbmonkey> Maaz, agreed next meeting occurs on 24 June 2014
[19:16] <Maaz> Agreed: next meeting occurs on 24 June 2014
[19:17] <nlsthzn> kbmonkey: ?
[19:17] <kbmonkey> something wrong nlsthzn ?
[19:17] <maiatoday> Kilos I am too chicken to install it, I spent a good while in Minecraft so I know the dangers :P
[19:18] <Kilos> rofl many of us here are totally hooked
[19:18] <kbmonkey> Thanks everybody for joining our little meeting!
[19:18] <Kilos> kbmonkey  ty for chairing
[19:18] <maiatoday> thanks kbmonkey for chairing
[19:18] <nlsthzn> kbmonkey: was wondering about your torrent question...
[19:18] <kbmonkey> Maaz, end meeting
[19:18] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[19:18] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-05-27-18-35-06.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-05-27-18-35-06.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-05-27-18-35-06.html
[19:18] <smaboshe> Thanks for having me. Learned lots ... may even try minetest!
[19:19] <nlsthzn> I think the protocol is open source and there is open trackers
[19:19] <nlsthzn> there *are open trackers
[19:19] <kbmonkey> ^ great!
[19:19] <maiatoday> night all,
[19:19] <nlsthzn> night all...
[19:19] <kbmonkey> nite maiatoday
[19:19] <Kilos> smaboshe  if you need help setting up the loco ask here and just be patient for answers
[19:19]  * nlsthzn still has 8 hours to "work"
[19:19] <kbmonkey> that is good smaboshe :)
[19:19] <nlsthzn> will mail first thing in the morning :)
[19:19] <kbmonkey> "work"
[19:19] <smaboshe> Thanks Kilos. Will do.
[19:19] <Kilos> or ask in our mailing list
[19:20] <Kilos> http://bit.ly/MCOujZ
[19:20] <mazal> Night everyone , sleep well
[19:20] <Kilos> night mazal  ty you too
[19:21] <kbmonkey> nite maza
[19:21] <Kilos> lol
[19:21] <kbmonkey> awe, my lag is not quick enough tonight
[19:21] <Kilos> you on 8ta
[19:21] <kbmonkey> updating meeting page and create the new one...
[19:22] <kbmonkey> no on mifi right now, got to use the data before month end
[19:22] <Kilos> but not the telkom modem
[19:22] <kbmonkey> maybe I go into Ubuntu and do updates
[19:22] <kbmonkey> no telkom modem
[19:22] <Kilos> ian just tried his and says its a major improvement over his vodafone
[19:23] <Kilos> d-link have done a good job with it
[19:23] <smaboshe> Thanks again. Nite all!
[19:23] <Kilos> night smaboshe
[19:25] <kbmonkey> we need to look at team reports again Kilos
[19:26] <kbmonkey> ai
[19:26] <Kilos> we?
[19:26] <Kilos> you shoulda just asked maia
[19:27] <Kilos> and remember to get the pro to update the topic bar
[19:28] <kbmonkey> ja. busy linking all previous meetings into the wiki page....
[19:31] <kbmonkey> we had 11 meetings in 2012, and 12 meetings in 2013!
[19:40] <kbmonkey> Kilos, remind me to write up a meeting report tomorrow please :)
[19:41] <Kilos> ill try kbmonkey
[19:41] <Kilos> wb Vince-0
[19:41] <Vince-0> Haai
[19:42] <kbmonkey> Shark
[19:46] <Vince-0> what's up kbmonkey - what dev you got goin
[19:49] <kbmonkey> sup Vince-0 not much as we all got hooked on minetest, but today I was looking at the lua API for it
[19:49] <Vince-0> ewww
[19:49] <Vince-0> how about the lua API for freeswitch
[19:49] <Vince-0> *jokes
[19:50] <kbmonkey> ;)
[19:54] <kbmonkey> next meeting agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20140624
[19:58] <kbmonkey> looking at the California meetings their bot seems optimized
[20:22] <kbmonkey> Kilos, if you want to see how the teleport phone booth works in minetest http://slexy.org/view/s2ht2O9TCE
[20:23] <Kilos> haha kbmonkey  we gotta make electrical wiring and a generator first so we got power for these things dont we
[20:24] <Kilos> kbmonkey  can it be installed or is there more that must go on the server first?
[20:26] <kbmonkey> no power required it uses magic ;)
[20:26] <kbmonkey> those steps in slexy you do on you local machine for single player game
[20:26] <kbmonkey> the server would do a similar setup
[20:27] <kbmonkey> you click the box and teleport to a new place, easy!
[20:27] <Trixar_za> I used my name as a seed to generate a single player game - it's weird. It has a lot of caves with underwater air pockets everywhere
[21:01] <Kilos> kbmonkey  you in the game now?
[21:02]  * Kilos working on house atm
[21:02] <Kilos> still no beds
[21:06] <Kilos> oh hes afk
[22:05] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[09:32] <juliux> jenda, why are you still online? ;)
[10:37] <jenda> juliux: shell account :)
[10:37] <jenda> I'm not really here.
[10:37] <jenda> We're just leaving now.
[10:37] <jenda> juliux: but I just found out my notes don't tell me well enough which stickers you had ordered (1)
[10:37] <jenda> *(!)
[10:38] <jenda> It's 1000 U, but how many of the restL?
[10:40] <juliux> jenda, only 1k ubuntu
[10:40] <juliux> jenda, where is beuno?
[10:42] <juliux> jenda, when you think you will arive in dresden?
[10:43] <jenda> No idea - could be 3 hours from now, could be 7.
[10:43] <jenda> beuno is in the shower :)
[10:43] <juliux> i think we cant make a bbq today
[10:44] <juliux> its too cold and it should start raining in the evening
[10:45] <jenda> ouch
[10:45] <jenda> wel,l what do we do?
[10:45] <jenda> it's a ctually a beautiful day here :)
[10:45] <juliux> good question
[10:45] <jenda> although it rained yesterday.
[10:46] <juliux> here it rains the whole week
[10:47] <jenda> You sure about just the 1000k Ubuntu?
[10:47] <juliux> yes i am sure
[10:47] <jenda> Alright, I won't argue with that ;)
[10:47] <jenda> We'll be off now, wish us a good hitch :)
[10:47] <juliux> jenda, if you are in dresden send me a text message to +49<PHONE_NUMBER>
[10:47] <juliux> jenda, good luck
[10:47] <juliux> jenda, if you come over the highway say you want to dresden gorbitz
[10:48] <juliux> jenda, that is very close to me
[10:48] <jenda> We have a map :)
[10:48] <juliux> of whole dresden?
[10:48] <jenda> But ok, I'll keep that in mind :)
[10:48] <jenda> no, of the relevant areas.
[10:49] <juliux> http://maps.google.de/maps?f=q&hl=de&geocode=&q=conertplatz&sll=51.124213,10.546875&sspn=8.996506,21.643066&ie=UTF8&ll=51.052618,13.656006&spn=0.070356,0.169086&z=13&iwloc=addr&om=1
[10:49] <juliux> there you see the highways
[10:50] <jenda> yep
[10:50] <jenda> there's the E55
[10:50] <jenda> which runs all the way here ;)
[10:53] <juliux> goo trip
[10:53] <juliux> godd trip
[10:55] <jenda> thx :)


[20:37] <ubu-noob> I have an idea, but I need help fleshing it out.
[20:40] <ubu-noob> Any replies?
[20:40] <SiDi> hi
[20:40] <SiDi> whats the idea ?
[20:40] <ubu-noob> Thanks Sidi
[20:40] <ubu-noob> Ok. I'll give it in chunks.
[20:41] <ubu-noob> From my understanding, Ubuntu is very much like Debian.  There are various teams, who mostly build and test packages.
[20:41] <ubu-noob> Now, there's nothing wrong with that.
[20:42] <ubu-noob> What I'm interested in, is conveying the following thought:
[20:43] <ubu-noob> Ubuntu shouldn't just be about developing software.  It should be about developing satsisfying user experiences.
[20:43] <ubu-noob> satisfying
[20:43] <ubu-noob> So, even though we have this working base of code
[20:43] <ubu-noob> and these teams that repackage (mostly)
[20:43] <SiDi> Do you think the whole ayatana process is only coding ? :(
[20:44] <ubu-noob> No, ... but wait to what I'm getting at... (please :)
[20:44] <ubu-noob> I think we should be concerned with the impressions people have of using Ubuntu
[20:44]  * SiDi waits.
[20:44] <ubu-noob> thanks
[20:45] <ubu-noob> I mean, it is good to develop Use Cases for what various users are experiencing from using Ubuntu
[20:46] <ubu-noob> Maybe I'm a new user, and I've only heard about Ubuntu.  Then I go to Ubuntu.com and and am interested in trying it out, but maybe I find the website confusing, and I'm unsure of what a LiveCD even is.
[20:46] <SiDi> I still don't see your point
[20:46] <ubu-noob> Or perhaps I don't even know I can just download the iso and boot off a usb stick
[20:47] <ubu-noob> OK..  I'll push along
[20:47] <ubu-noob> I mean, we have all these teams assembling the parts that go into Ubuntu
[20:47] <ubu-noob> but where are the teams that are asking users how they feel about their experiences of using Ubuntu?
[20:48] <SiDi> There is a team that helps explaining what ubuntu is (documentation), another that helps saying that ubuntu exists (marketing), another that works on making it more agreable to use (ayatana / user experience). What do you think that could be improved / that is lacking ?
[20:48] <ubu-noob> A good question
[20:48] <ubu-noob> I would say
[20:48] <SiDi> Hm, actually we have quite a lot of feedback already, if thats what you mean. But its true its only feedback from people that take upon themselves to give it to us
[20:48] <ubu-noob> Well, for one thing, after you complete a new install.
[20:49] <ubu-noob> I think I'm not the only person who completed a new install, and then said to myself ... OK, so what am I supposed to do now?
[20:49] <ubu-noob> Here I am looking at a blank desktop.
[20:49] <ubu-noob> But where do I go from here?
[20:50] <ubu-noob> What are the various things I can do with my system.
[20:50] <ubu-noob> I've read many Brainstorm ideas that suggest some kind of 'welcome tour' that greets new users after their install is complete.
[20:50] <SiDi> you're supposed to go watch whats on the menus, and begin using it :) the fact that there is nothing on the ubuntu desktop is a choice. It means : you've installed ubuntu, now you're free to use it the way you want and we wont bother you
[20:50] <SiDi> I think its not needed. The point of the liveCD is to let the user try before and during the install
[20:51] <SiDi> once it is physically installed they should already have clicked here and there and be at ease with the basics
[20:51] <SiDi> ideally
[20:51] <ubu-noob> Yes, I think that works well for you (an many others), but perhaps we need to consider the experiences of users who are not like us.  I think that is kind of what I'm getting at.
[20:51] <ubu-noob> I'm certainly not arguing here
[20:51] <ubu-noob> but in a spirit of kindness
[20:52] <GreySim> From what I understand, there's supposed to be some sort of slideshow that plays during installation in the next release.
[20:52] <ubu-noob> I'll just point out some words you're using
[20:52] <ubu-noob> "they should already have"
[20:52] <ubu-noob> it sounds like you are putting the blame on the new user for not being able to 'get up and run' after they have completed a new install
[20:52] <SiDi> should in the sense of "they should have had the occasion to have"
[20:52] <SiDi> its not in the sense of "its their fault if they didnt"
[20:53] <ubu-noob> Yes, I understand.
[20:53] <ubu-noob> I'm not saying you are wrong
[20:53] <ubu-noob> I'm just saying perhaps there are users out there who would greatly benefit from having additional help in this matter
[20:53] <ubu-noob> GreySim, thanks, I didn't know that.
[20:54] <ubu-noob> And my point is ... there are probably many areas
[20:54] <SiDi> ubu-noob: i agree that we could improve the "during install" part for those who dont feel like exploring
[20:54] <ubu-noob> in which (not only new users) - but users in general
[20:54] <GreySim> ubu-noob: There's talk about it on the Ubuntu Docs list, I don't know if there's some sort of web interface for that or not, but I imagine there would be.
[20:54] <GreySim> The slideshow, I mean.
[20:54] <SiDi> by providing documentation, a welcome tour bigger than the site's one, maybe other things
[20:54] <ubu-noob> are having an experience of Ubuntu which could be greatly improved, if we were only aware of the issues they are facin.g
[20:54] <SiDi> but i think users (current and most of new) would hate us for anything on the "default" desktop after install
[20:55] <SiDi> its their place, we shouldnt be intruding (does this word exist ? :p) into it
[20:55] <ubu-noob> I can appreciate that point of view
[20:55] <ubu-noob> however, isn'tt that an arguement to not change.
[20:56] <ubu-noob> I mean, why make any change to the system if you can argue those changes will upset some users.
[20:56] <ubu-noob> you know
[20:56] <ubu-noob> I think it's not about this particular point
[20:56] <ubu-noob> It's not about just the welcome slideshow
[20:56] <SiDi> As for feedback, i think the developers already have more than they can manage, so its important to focus on "high quality" feedback contacts, that will come to us and be ok with keeping discussing with us, instead of going to grab the users and ask them for their opinion (which would bother some, and which would gather more data than anyone can handle)
[20:56] <ubu-noob> it's about having people interested in, and askign those types of questions
[20:57] <ubu-noob> Thanks again GreySim.  Good info
[20:57] <SiDi> Well, i think we have quite a big community yet ;) I understand that you may want it to be bigger, but i think we should trigger interest if we want interested people, and not ask them to get involved without them to be motivated for it
[20:58] <ubu-noob> Sure, I'm not discussing issue of recruiting here, thought that is certainly valid.
[20:58] <SiDi> ubu-noob: if you have several ideas on how to improve user experience, it would be very nice from you to write on the ayatana mailing list about each of them (if possible in a separate email for each idea, unless they're linked)
[20:58] <SiDi> https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/
[20:58] <ubu-noob> Hmmm.
[20:59] <ubu-noob> Do I have to register?  How does it work?
[21:00] <SiDi> Do you have a launchpad account ?
[21:00] <ubu-noob> no
[21:00] <ubu-noob> So I should sign up for one?
[21:00] <SiDi> Alright, you should then create one :)
[21:00] <ubu-noob> Then I can post to thte list?
[21:00] <SiDi> yes
[21:01] <ubu-noob> cool
[21:01] <SiDi> once you have an account, go to https://launchpad.net/~ayatana/+join to can join the ayatana discussion team and subscribe to the list
[21:01] <ubu-noob> thanks
[21:01] <ubu-noob> tell me about ayatana
[21:01] <ubu-noob> I already knwo
[21:02] <GreySim> ubu-noob: Here is the first message about the slideshow: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2009-June/013200.html
[21:02] <ubu-noob> you're the ones behind the new notification system in Jaunty, (I'm assuming)
[21:02] <SiDi> then, just send emails to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>| be sure when you answer a mail on the list to check that the subject of your message is correct, and the recipient list includes this address
[21:02] <GreySim> The archive for the month, which includes more of the slideshow stuff; it looks like the thread splintered a bit somehow. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2009-June/thread.html
[21:02] <SiDi> the Desktop Experience team in Canonical are behind notify-osd and indicator-applet, yes
[21:02] <GreySim> And the info to join if you'd like: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc
[21:02] <SiDi> I'm personally just a community member though :)
[21:03] <ubu-noob> Thanks GreySim
[21:03] <ubu-noob> what's a community memeber?
[21:04] <SiDi> It's an ubuntu user, like you and me, who decides to get involved on his own and to participate in general feedback / development / translations / documentation / artwork / anything else
[21:04] <SiDi> If you post to this list, you'll kind of be a community member too :)
[21:04] <ubu-noob> REading it now GreySim
[21:05] <ubu-noob> cool :-)
[21:05] <ubu-noob> @SiDi
[21:05] <ubu-noob> The slideshow sounds interesting, by the way
[21:06] <ubu-noob> So, who decided Ubuntu needed a new notification system, anyway?  Hadn't anyone heard of mummbles-project.org, a clone of apple's growl?
[21:06] <ubu-noob> -- not that I'm complaining
[21:06] <SiDi> What is apple growl ?
[21:07] <ubu-noob> I'm just curious where the idea came from
[21:07] <ubu-noob> Yes growl
[21:07] <ubu-noob> Let me google it.
[21:07] <ubu-noob> here's one: http://watchingapple.com/2008/07/growl-works-great-for-system-notifications/
[21:08] <ubu-noob> here's mumbles: http://www.mumbles-project.org/
[21:08] <ubu-noob> I believe it works with or without a compositor
[21:09] <GreySim> From what I understand, Mumbles decided to invent their own thing instead of following the fd.o notification spec, though I could be mistaken. It's been a while since I looked at it.
[21:09] <ubu-noob> It's the first thing I thought of when I saw the vid on Mark S's blog about the new Jauntry notif system
[21:09] <SiDi> wow, it looks exactly like notify-osd Oo
[21:09] <GreySim> notify-osd and notification-daemon are interchangeable and follow a published specification.
[21:10] <GreySim> Growl has themes and can look like anything, but the default "Smoke" theme does look like notify-osd, yeah.
[21:10] <ubu-noob> Could they not have extended mumbles to send it's messges in a fd.o compliant way, though?
[21:10] <GreySim> Growl themes are just HTML/CSS.
[21:10] <ubu-noob> -- similar to Apple Dashboard widgets
[21:10] <ubu-noob> (minus the js)
[21:10] <GreySim> Yeah, which add JS. Growl may also use JS, but I'm not sure.
[21:11] <GreySim> Yeah.
[21:11] <ubu-noob> Great minds :-)
[21:11] <ubu-noob> ;-)
[21:12] <ubu-noob> And mumbles already has plugins: mumbles now has plugins for Gaim, Pidgin, Rhythmbox, Firefox*, Thunderbird*, and custom notifications.
[21:12] <ubu-noob> Is it worth taking a look at the mumbles code?
[21:13] <ubu-noob> Maybe it might save the notification-ocd guys some time and sweat
[21:14] <SiDi> ubu-noob: im tempted to say no :)
[21:14] <SiDi> plugins likely are compatibility plugins
[21:14] <GreySim> I don't think there's any particular benefit.
[21:14] <ubu-noob> ok
[21:15] <SiDi> mumbles doesnt seem to use the standard notification system, which every app can use independantly if which notification daemon is used
[21:15] <ubu-noob> got it
[21:15] <ubu-noob> So, there won't be too long to wait for firefox to use notifcation-osd
[21:15] <ubu-noob> ??
[21:16] <GreySim> Yeah, so if you don't like needing compositing for notify-osd, say, you could just use notification-daemon, and the notifications will all still work.
[21:16] <GreySim> Firefox can use it now, I think.
[21:16] <SiDi> err, ubu-noob thats really up to the mozilla foundation :)
[21:16] <GreySim> I can dig up a link, hold on please.
[21:16] <GreySim> You can get it through an extension.
[21:16] <SiDi> their code is crazy, and hard to maintain for third-persons. But i think there is a guy outside of their company working on it
[21:16] <ubu-noob> an add-on?
[21:17] <SiDi> GuyFromHell (he's likely in #exaile as we speak) coded such an add-on
[21:17] <GreySim> http://lifehacker.com/5271207/firefoxnotify-puts-download-notices-in-ubuntus-pop+ups
[21:17] <SiDi> but the actual way to do is to replace the app's osd by libnotify
[21:18] <ubu-noob> I'm reading http://www.mumbles-project.org/extras/
[21:18] <GreySim> I like this plugin more than OS X's built-in Growl support too, because it actually tells you WHICH file finished downloading. On Mac, Firefox just says "all downloads are complete."
[21:19] <ubu-noob> Firefox & Thunderbird Extensions The following are generic DBus notification extensions for Firefox and Thunderbird. Mumbles plugins have been created to listen for events sent by these extensions however, they are not limited to use by mumbles. They each send generic DBus signals (NewMail and DownloadComplete) on their respective events so other applications (an Awn plugin for example) could listen for these signals and react accordin
[21:20] <ubu-noob> So I guess DBus isn't generic enough?
[21:20] <ubu-noob> Also, from the LH page:
[21:20] <ubu-noob> One of the big disadvantages of the notification is that it is very difficult to do anything with them. For example once a download completes I can't click on the new notification to open the download folder. It looks pretty, but other than that not very functional.
[21:20] <ubu-noob> ""
[21:21] <SiDi> ubu-noob: its not about that
[21:21] <SiDi> there is a standard lib called libnotify, drafted by freedesktop.org
[21:21] <SiDi> used by gnome/kde/xfce, and used by almost every app (in the notable exception of firefox/thunderbird and a few others)
[21:22] <SiDi> and you can code your own libnotify server (notify-osd, notification-daemon, xfce4-notifyd, and others)
[21:22] <SiDi> mumbles defines its own protocol instead of respecting the current one
[21:22] <SiDi> this means no compatiblity, and a hell to maintain
[21:22] <ubu-noob> Aaaaa. I see
[21:23] <ubu-noob> Just curious.  Does notify-o use DBus?
[21:23] <SiDi> it uses libnotify :)
[21:23] <SiDi> which, i think, uses dbus
[21:23] <GreySim> Admittedly when they started Mumbles, notifications were still pretty new, notification-daemon sucked more, and notifications in general weren't necessarily "catching on" yet. It was a bit more of an
[21:23] <GreySim> open market", so to speak.
[21:23] <SiDi> (but well, my bittorrent client too uses dbus :P)
[21:24] <ubu-noob> which client?
[21:24] <SiDi> one with 0 users :)
[21:24] <SiDi> (ok, actually two of the devs use it, so 2 users)
[21:25] <ubu-noob> As long as it has more than 0 trackers
[21:25] <ubu-noob> So, nobody answered my question
[21:26] <ubu-noob> Who decided what Ubuntu needed was a new notification system, in the first place?
[21:26] <GreySim> Not a new notification system. A new notification display.
[21:26] <ubu-noob> Yes
[21:26] <GreySim> Which is close to being the same thing, but not quite.
[21:26] <SiDi> clients dont have much to do with trackers :) and for who decided notify-osd, i'd answer : Canonical
[21:27] <ubu-noob> GS - yes.  Libnotify was already in existence.  I understand.  But to the average user, I don't "see" libnotify.  I "see" graphics come and go in a nice fade on the top right corner of my screen.
[21:27] <ubu-noob> Canonical
[21:28] <ubu-noob> Another question
[21:29] <ubu-noob> When I go to http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
[21:29] <ubu-noob> there is a requirement to chose a location
[21:29] <ubu-noob> but when I download firefox from the mozilla site
[21:29] <ubu-noob> it doesn't ask me that
[21:29] <ubu-noob> I just click and download
[21:29] <SiDi> ubu-noob: you come two days too late for that discussion :)
[21:29] <ubu-noob> how so?
[21:30] <SiDi> it was held at #ubuntu-website and the web presence team will work on improving this specific thing for karmic
[21:31] <ubu-noob> That's funny, because I posted it to Brainstorm so so so long ago: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/11375/
[21:31] <GreySim> Oooh, a new place to lurk. Yay. :)
[21:32] <SiDi> ubu-noob: i must say that we dont read the WHOLE brainstorm thing :)
[21:32] <ubu-noob> Ha ha
[21:32] <ubu-noob> I don't expect it is even possible
[21:33] <GreySim> ubu-noob: Have you looked at the actual slideshow yet? It's actually a bit better than I was expecting.
[21:33] <GreySim> If you use bzr already: bzr branch lp:ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[21:33] <ubu-noob> GS- lemme see.
[21:33] <GreySim> Then find and open Slideshow.html
[21:33] <ubu-noob> lemme se
[21:33] <SiDi> ubu-noob: type "Gr" and then Tab, to get his whole name written ;)
[21:34] <GreySim> I also answer to and have set highlights on "Sim"
[21:34] <ubu-noob> SiDi: wow, that works
[21:34] <ubu-noob> thanks :) SiDi
[21:35] <SiDi> ubu-noob: you're welcome
[21:35] <ubu-noob> still looking for the URL GreySim
[21:35] <GreySim> Which URL?
[21:35] <ubu-noob> for the slideshow
[21:35] <ubu-noob> slideshow.html
[21:36] <ubu-noob> I'm looking for something that starts with www. :-)
[21:36] <GreySim> You have to check out the code. I don't know if there's a way to do it without bzr or not, but if you install bzr, just run: bzr branch lp:ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[21:36] <ubu-noob> OK, now I'm a bit flustered
[21:37] <ubu-noob> Brainstorm = website to give ideas
[21:37] <ubu-noob> bzr = ???
[21:37] <GreySim> Sorry, my mistake.
[21:37] <SiDi> bzr is a distributed version control system
[21:37] <SiDi> I'm sure it helps :D
[21:37] <ubu-noob> cvs
[21:37] <ubu-noob> vcs
[21:37] <GreySim> Like cvs or svn, yes.
[21:37] <ubu-noob> OK
[21:38] <GreySim> If you're actually in Ubuntu right now, if you type "bzr" into a terminal, it should tell you which package you would need to install.
[21:38] <ubu-noob> So, I have to apt-get bzr, if I want to look at the slideshow.html ??
[21:38] <GreySim> Yes.
[21:38] <ubu-noob> Do you have bzr installed
[21:38] <ubu-noob> ?
[21:38] <GreySim> I do, yes.
[21:38] <ubu-noob> can you send it to me on pidgin (the html file?)
[21:38] <SiDi> how did you find us, by the way, ubu-noob ?
[21:39] <GreySim> It's multiple html files, but I can zip it up and put it in my Dropbox, I suppose.
[21:39] <SiDi> ubu-noob: https://launchpad.net/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+download
[21:39] <GreySim> Or SiDi could do it the easy/smart way. :)
[21:39]  * SiDi hides
[21:40] <SiDi> i got so distracted i dont remember what i was coding on :/
[21:40] <ubu-noob> SiDi: I was wanting to express my ideas, and wrote the Ubuntu Community Council, and gave them my thoughts on how Ubuntu development would be improved if we could shift attention away from assembling, coding, building, and bring more focus to understanding we are creating end user experiences -- and become more focussed on building compelling user experiences first, and then implementing them in code, second.
[21:41] <ubu-noob> GreySim: if it's not too much to ask.
[21:41] <ubu-noob> But would that give me a simple url
[21:41] <ubu-noob> what I wouldn't have to register to anything in order to get
[21:41] <ubu-noob> ?
[21:41] <SiDi> http://launchpad.net/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/trunk/snapshot-june-11-2009/+download/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu-snapshot-june-11-2009.tar.gz
[21:42] <SiDi> lazy
[21:42] <ubu-noob> (really, there's not way to transfer files over IM on pidgin?)  I think I did it on ICQ years ago.
[21:42] <SiDi> there is a way to transfer files via IRC
[21:42] <SiDi> and to get bothered with its random failures
[21:42] <SiDi> the faster way is to click the above link
[21:42] <ubu-noob> I see
[21:43] <ubu-noob> I got it
[21:43] <ubu-noob> Thanks SiDi
[21:43] <GreySim> There is a way to transfer files, but I didn't want to open up IM, figure out which details to exchange, hope our networks didn't hate each other, etc.
[21:44] <ubu-noob> No worries GreySim, I just go the file from SiDi's url
[21:44] <SiDi> Did i win a cookie ?
[21:44] <ubu-noob> where is the emoticon for cookie?
[21:44] <ubu-noob> ()
[21:44] <ubu-noob> (;:)
[21:45] <ubu-noob> (8)
[21:45] <ubu-noob> (*)
[21:45] <ubu-noob> there!  a cookie with a single chocolate chip in the center
[21:46] <ubu-noob> So, let me see if there's an archive of the talk the website team had.
[21:46] <SiDi> there is one
[21:46] <SiDi> but im lazy now
[21:47] <ubu-noob> no worries
[21:47] <ubu-noob> besides, I think I can find it
[21:47] <SiDi> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/06/11/%23ubuntu-website.html
[21:47] <ubu-noob> but first, I wanna look at the slideshow stuff you just sent
[21:47] <ubu-noob> not so lazy... after all
[21:47] <ubu-noob> :()
[21:48] <ubu-noob> :-D
[21:48] <ubu-noob> No more calling yourself lazy, OK.  You are finding urls faster than I can leap tall buildings in a single bound
[21:49] <SiDi> yeh but its because i had it in my mailbox
[21:49] <SiDi> :D
[21:50] <ubu-noob> that helps
[21:51] <ubu-noob> So, I'm looking at the slideshow stuff
[21:51] <ubu-noob> So, is this supposed to be showing on the background of the Ubiquity installer when it's installing your system?
[21:51] <GreySim> I think so.
[21:51] <ubu-noob> Well, maybe that's OK, but ...
[21:52] <ubu-noob> what if I want to pause it
[21:52] <ubu-noob> >
[21:52] <ubu-noob> ?
[21:52] <ubu-noob> or go back to the previous slide?
[21:53] <ubu-noob> or I want to remember a certain slide, so I can make use of that information after the install is complete?
[21:53] <ubu-noob> I mean, it's not a bad thing having 4 seconds of a reminder in the middle of a fresh install.
[21:54] <GreySim> Have you read the entire thread about it on Ubuntu Docs? If nobody has brought that up, maybe you should.
[21:54] <GreySim> I haven't read the entire thread yet, so I'm not sure myself.
[21:54] <ubu-noob> But is that enough for me to take full advantage of that information once the install is done and I'm left (all alone) at the blank desktop staring back at me?
[21:54] <ubu-noob> GreySim: hmmm
[21:55] <GreySim> Maybe it should be linked somehow from the System -> Help menu thing, or wherever the help is.
[21:56] <ubu-noob> GreySim: you mean that question mark in the panel?
[21:56] <SiDi> ubu-noob: you shouldnt consider what you see as an achieved work but as work in progress
[21:56] <ubu-noob> SiDi: got it.  I'm still trying to find the url for it on Ubuntu Docs
[21:57] <ubu-noob> does the project have an official name?
[21:57] <SiDi> ubiquity-slideshow ?
[21:57] <SiDi> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu actually
[21:57] <SiDi> join #ubuntu-doc (or docs ?)
[21:58] <ubu-noob> it's just searching https://help.ubuntu.com
[21:58] <ubu-noob> I'm just searching ..
[21:59] <ubu-noob> just joined #ubuntu-doc
[21:59] <GreySim> What are you looking for, exactly?
[22:00] <ubu-noob> GreySim: the discussion logs for the ubiquity slideshow idea, to read if anyone has
[22:00] <ubu-noob> asked the questions I'm asking
[22:01] <ubu-noob> - er, discussed those issues
[22:03] <ubu-noob> "Whether you want to change the theme, font, mouse cursor or more, Ubuntu has all the necessary tools installed and ready for you to use. The arrangement, appearance and settings of your desktop are only a short click away..."
[22:03] <ubu-noob> But it doesn't even tell you *where* you need to click, or even which Menu entry it is in.
[22:03] <GreySim> It's the mailing list links I listed above.
[22:04]  * GreySim wishes mailing lists were more like Google groups, where you don't actually have to use a horrid web archive to read, or just email to post.
[22:04] <GreySim> But those who still wanted to interact through email could.
[22:04] <SiDi> GreySim: then it'd be slow to browse for my low bandwidth :)
[22:04] <ubu-noob> You've lost me
[22:04] <SiDi> ubu-noob: the goal is to make the menus logical enough for the user to figure out on his own
[22:05] <SiDi> without us to turn him/her into the average assisted windows user
[22:06] <ubu-noob> GreySim: what did you mean about mailing lists?
[22:06] <ubu-noob> I'm looking at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/06/11/%23ubuntu-website.html
[22:06] <ubu-noob> but so far no slideshow talk at all
[22:07] <GreySim> The initial discussion starts here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2009-June/013200.html
[22:07] <GreySim> You can see all the messages related to the thread on this page: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2009-June/thread.html
[22:08] <GreySim> And if you want to participate in the discussions, you need to follow the directions on this page: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc
[22:08] <ubu-noob> I did find my brainstorm url on today's log!  Yippie!  http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/06/13/%23ubuntu-website.html
[22:08] <ubu-noob> How did it get there?
[22:09] <GreySim> I'm not sure how you would reply to the existing messages in a proper fashion though, since you weren't already subscribed beforehand. And that's what else I was talking about just now, is how unnecessarily complex and over-geeky mailing lists are.
[22:10] <ubu-noob> Still, how do I participate in the discussion, otherwise.  Do I need to register first to launchpad, then post to those pages?
[22:10] <ubu-noob> er. lists
[22:11] <ubu-noob> One second... need to get power cord before lappy dies.
[22:12] <GreySim> You need to subscribe to the mailing list using the last link I gave you, to get started. But to participate in the discussion, I'm not sure how you would go about it, because the only way I know how requires you to have received a related message already, then you reply to that.
[22:12] <GreySim> So I'm not sure how you would "properly" join the conversation.
[22:12] <ubu-noob> I'm back
[22:12] <ubu-noob> Oh, I see
[22:13] <ubu-noob> That's terribly inconvenient
[22:13] <ubu-noob> Can't I start a new thread, or is that improper?
[22:14] <ubu-noob> SiDi: sorry to keep you waiting
[22:14] <GreySim> I'm not sure.
[22:14] <ubu-noob> What's the harm in trying?
[22:14] <GreySim> I don't participate on mailing lists for the most part. I'm only subscribed to that one to listen for things like calls for proofreading.
[22:15] <macvr> ubu-noob: u sure can start new topics
[22:16]  * SiDi is actually back to his code.
[22:18] <ubu-noob> oh, Sidi, don't go~~~
[22:18] <ubu-noob> !!
[22:18] <ubu-noob> (but I understand if you must)
[22:18] <SiDi> im not going
[22:18] <SiDi> just busy :)
[22:19] <ubu-noob> but still open to talk, or no?
[22:19] <SiDi> yeh, but just dont highlight my name ten times in a row :)
[22:19] <GreySim> Likewise, sorta. Just finished breakfast, so now I'm about to start working on projects and will probably only check IRC occasionally.
[22:20] <ubu-noob> GreySim: got it.  Where is it breakfast time now? Australia?
[22:20] <ubu-noob> New Zealand?
[22:21] <ubu-noob> SiDi: got it.
[22:21] <GreySim> West coast US, but I keep a late schedule.
[22:22] <ubu-noob> Well, I just want to thank both of you guys.
[22:22] <GreySim> GF's also sick and I was waiting for her to be awake so I could cook for us both.
[22:22] <ubu-noob> GreySim: hope GF is feeling better.  Soup is always good.
[22:23] <GreySim> Thanks.
[22:23] <SiDi> ubu-noob: you're welcome.
[22:31] <ubu-noob> I'm talking with someone on #ubuntu-docs, seeing about  how to share my slideshow thoughts
[22:35] <ubu-noob> By the way, I'm guessing if I want to save this discussion (in pidgin) I just Conversation  > Save as, right?
[22:35] <SiDi> Dont know
[22:35] <SiDi> i use mibbit
[22:39] <ubu-noob> Well, here goes nothing...
[22:41] <ubu-noob> Yay!  Not only did it work, it outputs an html file, comlete with all the urls properly linked.  Nice job Pidjgin team.
[22:42] <SiDi> mine doesnt log :p
[22:45] <GreySim> It can, sorta, somehow.
[22:45] <GreySim> They might have removed it though.
[22:45] <GreySim> But at one point I joined a channel, and I had a log of all the recent conversation that had been happening.
[22:46] <GreySim> Another Mibbit user may have been there, as I set up a Mibbit widget to connect to that channel.
[22:47] <ubu-noob> Well, I was talking in #ubuntu-doc, and they pretty much said I can join the mailing list (https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc) and post a new thread, or possibly reply to an existing one.
[22:47] <ubu-noob> " In-Reply-To: header, if you can get the message ID of the previous one.  Also, just the subject stuff"
[22:48] <ubu-noob> But I'll probably just start a new thread anyway