[01:16] <bigjools> hey tych0, there?
[01:16] <bigjools> would be easier to chat here for a moment instead of your bug
[01:16] <bigjools> I see others reporting the problem earlier on here
[01:43] <tych0> bigjools: here now
[01:43] <bigjools> tych0: howdy
[01:44] <bigjools> tych0: was just wondering what you were doing when not seeing the proxy used?
[01:44] <tych0> just standard stuff
[01:44] <tych0> fastpath with trusty commissioning and precise images
[01:45] <tych0> i honestly don't have any idea whether it happens all the time or not
[01:45] <tych0> sometimes i am paying attention and sometimes i just let it run :-)
[01:45] <bigjools> I think it's a bug in the preseed for fastpath
[01:45] <tych0> is there a file it drops somewhere or something?
[01:45] <tych0> i can check for that
[01:45] <tych0> next time i see it
[01:45] <bigjools> I vaguely remember talking to smoser about this but his suggestion to fix it didn't work and then it fell by the wayside
[01:46] <bigjools> the proxy config in the preseed is curtin-specific
[01:46] <tych0> ah, ok
[01:47] <bigjools> well the d-i is d-i specific, so ... :)
[01:47] <tych0> yep
[01:47] <tych0> i assume it edits some apt preferences file or drops something in preferences.d?
[01:48] <tych0> oh
[01:48] <tych0> this node has 90curtin-aptproxy
[01:48] <bigjools> look in contrib/preseeds_v2/curtin_userdata
[01:48] <tych0> was that the fix?
[01:48] <bigjools> well apparently it doesn't work :)
[01:48] <tych0> well
[01:48] <tych0> it might
[01:48] <tych0> i didn't file it about this node
[01:48] <tych0> i just know i've seen it before
[01:49] <bigjools> ok
[01:49] <tych0> if there is something i should look for
[01:49] <tych0> i can look for that next time i know i see it
[01:49] <tych0> i guess maybe the absence of this file is a good place to start
[01:49] <bigjools> I am not sure tbh.  If I start to look at this I will first examine the squid log as the node boots
[01:49] <tych0> yeah
[01:49] <bigjools> then delve into the node itself
[01:50] <tych0> ok
[01:50] <bigjools> there's different things that get pulled off the internets
[01:52] <tych0> bigjools: do you want my copy of /var/log/maas for the other issue?
[01:52] <tych0> i'm not sure if it'll be useful or not
[01:52] <tych0> it does sound like a bug in celery
[01:52] <tych0> whatever happens, celery shouldn't crash
[01:53] <bigjools> tych0: it's a celery bug imo
[01:53] <bigjools> and I agree
[01:53] <tych0> yep
[01:53] <bigjools> we can work around it with a wrapper
[01:53] <tych0> eyah, that might be good
[01:53] <bigjools> well there *is* a wrapper already, we just need to make it restart
[01:53] <tych0> i just sat down this morning and nothing would work
[01:53] <tych0> made me a sad panda
[01:53] <bigjools> same happened to me yesterday
[01:54] <bigjools> restarted the worker and boom, loads of jobs went through that had been queued
[01:54] <bigjools> which is kinda dangerous
[01:54] <tych0> yeah
[01:54] <tych0> same here
[01:54] <tych0> a couple of extra power on power off cycles to make things interesting :-)
[01:54] <bigjools> I think we need to put expirations on all the jobs
[01:54] <bigjools> some have that but not all
[01:55] <bigjools> but we'll revisit this as part of work to harden maas
[02:09] <roaksoax> rharper: why is the tgt stuff ebing dropped?
[02:09] <roaksoax> err
[02:09] <roaksoax> jtv: ^^
[02:10] <jtv> The new import script doesn't use our pre-existing tgt setup.
[02:11] <roaksoax> jtv: right, that's why I'm asking... what does the new script do?
[02:11] <jtv> That link we had in /etc/tgt/conf.d was pointing to a file that no longer existed.
[02:11] <jtv> It uses tgt-admin to create the targets.
[02:11] <bigjools> roaksoax: the new script constructs a tgt conf on the fly and inserts it using tgtadmin
[02:11] <jtv> IIRC it does write a "metadata" file, and a master config, but all in /var/lib/maas.
[02:12] <roaksoax> bigjools: ok... where do these get stored, any ideas?
[02:12] <jtv> /var/lib/maas/boot-resources
[02:12] <bigjools> roaksoax: they are ephemeral
[02:13] <jtv> No there is a tgt config file.
[02:13] <bigjools> it is not used after insertion though
[02:13] <bigjools> you can query tgt using "tgtadmin -s"
[02:13] <bigjools> with no config
[02:14] <bigjools> the config is for the admin script, not tgt.
[02:14] <roaksoax> bigjools: tgt-admin
[02:14] <roaksoax> bigjools: ok cool then
[02:14] <bigjools> roaksoax: yeah I forgot which is which, there's a helper wrapper and the main thing
[02:15] <bigjools> I think tgtadmin is the wrapper
[02:15] <roaksoax> bigjools: tgtadmin doesn't exist
[02:15] <bigjools> roaksoax: it does on my box :)
[02:16] <jtv> tgt-admin, with the dash
[02:16] <bigjools> there are two scripts
[02:16] <jtv> Not on my machine.
[02:16] <roaksoax> bigjools: it does not exist on my system
[02:17] <roaksoax> after upgrade
[02:17] <jtv> Not on my Trusty machine.
[02:17]  * bigjools boggles
[02:17] <bigjools> let me boot my server, one sec
[02:17] <bigjools> I am 100% sure I have seen both scripts
[02:19] <jtv> From an installed package that isn't a dependency?
[02:20] <bigjools> ah ok it's tgtadm
[02:20] <bigjools> my bad
[02:22] <roaksoax> ok cool
[02:25] <jtv> Uh-oh.
[02:25] <bigjools> roaksoax: what did you think about my bug on the packaging?
[02:25] <bigjools> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/maas/+bug/1300507
[02:25] <jtv> Dear friends, who takes care of re-installing the tgt targets after reboot?
[02:25] <roaksoax> bigjools: i'm looking into it
[02:25] <bigjools> roaksoax: ok cheers
[02:26] <roaksoax> bigjools: ^^
[02:26] <jtv> I just rebooted my maas server and got no output from "sudo tgt-admin -s"
[02:26] <bigjools> jtv: the script
[02:26] <roaksoax> uhmmm
[02:26] <bigjools> jtv: oh,,,, oh dear!
[02:26] <bigjools> that's the bug we found then
[02:26] <roaksoax> then that's why we need config files
[02:26] <jtv> Could well be.
[02:26] <bigjools> jtv: which means we need that confiug back
[02:26] <bigjools> fuuuuuuuuuuu
[02:26] <roaksoax> yup
[02:26] <jtv> New one.  Not the old one.
[02:27] <bigjools> jtv: the new one is still ephemeral IIRC
[02:27] <bigjools> it gets written once for each target
[02:27] <jtv> No, there's a single config with all targets.
[02:27] <jtv> In the "current" snapshot.
[02:27] <bigjools> jtv: are you *sure*?
[02:27] <bigjools> anyway I will file a bug
[02:27] <bigjools> arse
[02:27] <jtv> I have 4 <target> definitions in my maas.tgt.
[02:28] <bigjools> jtv: ok I think this code changed since I last looked, it seems ok now
[02:28] <jtv> What code?
[02:29] <bigjools> the script
[02:29] <bigjools> https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1300548
[02:32] <jtv> And now, having smashed everyone's hopes and dreams, I can reboot in peace.
[02:32] <bigjools> heh
[02:33] <roaksoax> bigjools: so there's something weird
[02:33] <roaksoax> bigjools: i have no idea why this happens
[02:33] <roaksoax> bigjools: i have not make any changes that would cause this in comparison to trusty I think
[02:35] <jtv> Oh dear.  Shouldn't have rebooted.  Suddenly I'm back in low-res.
[02:36] <bigjools> roaksoax: the password reset thing?
[02:36] <roaksoax> bigjools: yup
[02:36] <jtv> This is horrible.  Big, fuzzy pixels.  Luckily I kept my pre-Saucy hack somewhere to get back to a decent resolution.
[02:36] <bigjools> roaksoax: it has always happened
[02:36] <roaksoax> bigjools: i've never seen it
[02:37] <bigjools> we just ignored the problem until now; for some reason the cluster is getting restarted first which has made it apparent
[02:37] <jtv> We're nog going to be limited to 1920×1200 for the release version, are we?
[02:37] <bigjools> jtv: hi-dpi is a feature of unity now IIRC
[02:37] <jtv> It worked in Saucy, and until today, Trusty.
[02:37] <bigjools> roaksoax: but basically every upgrade I ever do resets the rabbit p/w
[02:38] <roaksoax> bigjools : does that file exist in the inital precise package?
[02:38] <roaksoax> bigjools: and has it changed since then?
[02:38] <bigjools> which file?
[02:38] <roaksoax> maas_local_celeryconfig.py
[02:38]  * bigjools checks
[02:40] <bigjools> roaksoax: it's new after precise
[02:40] <bigjools> I think
[02:40] <roaksoax> bigjools: ok so if we iupgrade from precise to trusty, then we still need to run that file
[02:40] <roaksoax> bigjools: err to run that psasword change
[02:41] <bigjools> the actual file is not in my tree it gets generated
[02:41] <bigjools> roaksoax: why do we need to regenerate passwords at all?
[02:41] <bigjools> we cannot do this, it screws over remote clusters
[02:42] <roaksoax> bigjools: why? becuase the upgrade should generate passwords for systems wher the file didn't exist before
[02:42] <bigjools> roaksoax: one sec
[02:42] <roaksoax> bigjools: there's a reason why it is there. if we upgrade say precise to trusty directly, and we don't have that, then we see failure because the psasword would never get generated
[02:43] <bigjools> roaksoax: this is going to break when updating on remote clusters, it can only work when cluster is local
[02:44] <bigjools> otherwise they will be out of sync
[02:44] <roaksoax> bigjools: well then we should recommend upgrading regions first and then upgrade clusters
[02:45] <roaksoax> so the cluster gets regenerated
[02:45] <roaksoax> get new pass
[02:45] <roaksoax> bigjools: what should actually happen, ois region should tell the clusters to update their password automatically
[02:45] <bigjools> roaksoax: it still forces a lockstep upgrade.  I don't know how we can get around that
[02:45] <bigjools> roaksoax: agreed
[02:46] <bigjools> roaksoax: I'll file a bug a bout that
[02:48] <bigjools> roaksoax: https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1300554
[02:48] <roaksoax> bigjools: cool, otherwise we can just note that in a release upgrade
[02:48] <roaksoax> bigjools: err release note
[02:48] <bigjools> roaksoax: fine for now
[02:48] <bigjools> thanks
[02:48] <roaksoax> bigjools: that for upgrades that bug will happen and the "fix" is to restart the clusters
[02:48] <roaksoax> anywayi'm off
[02:48] <roaksoax> night
[02:48] <bigjools> roaksoax: something must have changed in apt for it to screw the local cluster
[02:49] <jtv>  nn roaksoax
[02:49] <bigjools> different ordering of installs
[02:49] <bigjools> ok cheers roaksoax, sleep well
[02:49]  * bigjools thinks about writing release notes
[02:52] <roaksoax> bigjools: btw.. i was thinking thay maybe tgtadmin might have a way to export the condig into a file for persistancy
[02:52] <roaksoax> wouls be worth looking into that
[02:52] <bigjools> roaksoax: yeah, good point, thanks
[02:53] <bigjools> --dup!
[02:53] <bigjools> err
[02:53] <bigjools> --dump
[02:53] <bigjools> any better jtv?
[02:53] <jtv> Well this gets me back to the previous bad setting.  :(
[02:53] <bigjools> heh
[02:53] <roaksoax> bigjools: cool. we should dump each time a new entry gets added
[02:53] <jtv> And my previous xrandr incantations didn't work.
[02:53] <roaksoax> anyway... night!
[02:53] <bigjools> jtv: just noticed tgt-admin has a --dump which might be useful
[02:53] <jtv> Good night.
[02:53] <bigjools> cheers roaksoax
[02:53] <jtv> bigjools: I doubt it.
[02:54] <jtv> We already write the full config anyway.
[02:54] <bigjools> just an option
[02:54] <bigjools> ok
[02:58] <jtv> Wow, and the letter "b" is broken in my dash.  That's a weird one.
[03:09]  * bigjools eats lunch
[09:01] <dimitern> rvba, ping
[09:03] <dimitern> rvba, bigjools, allenap, I managed to pin down the probable cause of bug 1299114
[09:04] <allenap> dimitern: Excellent! However, I have to pop out for a few minutes. I’ll ping when I’m back.
[09:04] <dimitern> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7188828/ - it seems the error happens only when you try to add a network with a ip (network) address that matches an existing network
[09:05] <jtv> Which is probably the cause of the error in the first place.
[09:05] <jtv> There's a separate check for that, and it must be broken.
[09:05] <dimitern> yep, it's just does not have a good error message
[09:06] <jtv> Not what I meant.  :)  The ValidationError probably needs to be constructed in some particular way.
[09:07] <jtv> dimitern: could you update the bug with your new information?
[09:08] <jtv> Hmm... I wonder why we have a NetworksListingForm and a NetworkListForm.
[09:10] <jtv> Looks like a leftover from parallel work producing the same form from two people, probably one as just a placeholder.
[09:10] <dimitern> jtv, just did
[09:12] <jtv> Thanks.
[09:13] <jtv> I think this means that the exception at the very end of src/maasserver/models/network.py isn't quite right for what form validation wants.
[09:35] <jtv> dimitern: any chance we could get the full traceback of the exception?
[09:35] <jtv> Is that in the logs?
[09:35] <jtv> Ah, found it.
[09:38] <jtv> Wow, this could have been clearer.  Yes, it's documented all over the place that validate_unique must raise ValidationError if it finds a clash, but not that that ValidationError must be one that was constructed from a dict, not an error message like in the documentation examples!
[09:51] <allenap> jtv: Django’s ValidationError is a horror-show. Reading its code is not only like seeing inside the sausage factory, but also seeing the animal’s skulls being caved in.
[09:53] <gmb> jtv: src/provisioningserver/tests/test_maas_import_pxe_files.py
[10:00] <jtv> Yes, that'd be the one.
[10:13] <jtv> dimitern, just for you. :)  https://code.launchpad.net/~jtv/maas/bug-1299114/+merge/213623
[10:15] <AskUbuntu> I get Internal Server Error when trying to connect the MAAS GUI in a fresh installation on 12.04 | http://askubuntu.com/q/441870
[10:25] <dimitern> jtv, great, thanks!
[11:25] <dimitern> allenap, rvba, bigjools, I'd appreciate if someone can spare some time to review this gomaasapi CL https://codereview.appspot.com/82460044/
[11:26] <allenap> dimitern: I’ll take a look.
[11:26] <dimitern> allenap, ta!
[23:13] <bigjools> mwhudson: did you try arm with the latest maas in trusty at all?
[23:14] <bigjools> or the faily ppa
[23:14] <bigjools> (sic)
[23:14] <mwhudson> bigjools: not recently
[23:14] <mwhudson> i will be soon
[23:14] <bigjools> mwhudson: ok.  I need a 3rd party to verify it works on arm
[23:14] <mwhudson> once IS do something with networking
[23:14] <bigjools> since there's a ton of changes in image imports
[23:14] <mwhudson> bigjools: timeframe?
[23:15] <bigjools> mwhudson: now? :)
[23:15] <mwhudson> heh
[23:15] <mwhudson> there is an rt you can make noise on if you like...
[23:15] <mwhudson> bigjools: the hyperscale guys might have been doing stuff
[23:16] <bigjools> ok
[23:16] <mwhudson> i'll be testing on midway
[23:18] <bigjools> the more the better
[23:18] <bigjools> thanks


[01:39] <SpamapS> hazmat: right, any juju after "reboot" support cannot spawn nodes for a juju before reboot support.
[01:40] <SpamapS> hazmat: so distro support is incompatible in oneiric
[11:52] <vladas> hello, can someone help me?
[11:53] <vladas> I'm trying to deploy openstack on vm's and got weird error.
[11:56] <vladas> I have deployed all charms successfuly, except nova-volume and openstack-dashboard
[11:56] <vladas> I'm getting these errors:
[11:56] <vladas> Error processing 'cs:precise/nova-volume': entry not found
[11:57] <vladas> Error processing 'cs:precise/openstack-dashboard': entry not found
[11:57] <vladas> Any ideas?
[12:01] <hazmat> vladas, those charms are not in the store
[12:01] <hazmat> vladas, they need to be deployed from bzr
[12:04] <vladas> Oh, i see. Thanks, will try that.
[15:34] <SpamapS> gooooooooooood morning juju town!
[15:35] <mramm> gooood morning to you!  (sorry for the reduction in O's)
[15:36] <SpamapS> Its like an echo.. it can't sustain.. ;)
[16:09] <marcoceppi> gd morning
[16:11] <SpamapS> marcoceppi: done with wordpress? Are you done yet? How about now? done..?
[16:11] <SpamapS> ;)
[16:11] <marcoceppi> no yes! nope not yet
[16:11] <marcoceppi> it's in bzr now though
[16:12] <SpamapS> Ugh that reminds me I need to finish nagging the last of the un-maintained charms
[16:13] <koolheadd17> SpamapS, met someone at cls12 who is working on newest owncloud charm
[16:13] <SpamapS> koolheadd17: oh?
[16:14] <SpamapS> koolheadd17: did you hand it off to them or they just wanted to make it better?
[16:14] <koolheadd17> SpamapS, he wanted to make it better
[16:14] <SpamapS> jimbaker: jitsu --help looks *amazing* now btw. THANK YOU
[16:14] <SpamapS> koolheadd17: *awesome*
[16:15] <koolheadd17> he is working on integrating nfs based support too i guess bkerensa knows him
[16:21] <SpamapS> cool
[16:22] <koolheadd17> i have few charms in baking state though :)
[16:22] <SpamapS> cool
[16:22] <negronjl> 'morning all
[16:23] <SpamapS> I'm working on making nagios more awesome
[16:23] <koolheadd17> SpamapS, waoo :)
[16:23] <SpamapS> and then hopefully collectd too
[16:23] <koolheadd17> SpamapS, is someone working on Monit?
[16:23] <SpamapS> koolheadd17: https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/  ... look there
[16:24] <koolheadd17> k
[16:24] <koolheadd17> SpamapS, so jcastro google doc list and all is primitive now
[16:26] <SpamapS> koolheadd17: it has been dead for months now
[16:26] <SpamapS> it should have been deleted if it hasn't been already
[16:30] <koolheadd17> ejat, around
[16:30] <ejat> koolheadd17 : yups ..
[16:30] <koolheadd17> ejat, are you coming to china for openstack asia pacific event
[16:31] <ejat> hmmm not sure yet …
[16:31] <ejat> how about u ? confirm ?
[16:31] <koolheadd17> not yet, need to talk to my manager on the same and visa might be difficult
[16:31] <koolheadd17> ejat, you should definately go there
[16:32]  * ejat in the mist of changing employment … so could not give a say yet .. but hopefully …
[16:33] <koolheadd17> ejat, ol
[16:33] <koolheadd17> k
[16:33] <ejat> SpamapS : is there any tutor to deploy OS using juju after installing via MAAS ?
[16:34]  * ejat means for production environment ..
[16:34] <ejat> or how to wiki .. .
[16:39] <SpamapS> ejat: yes there's something on wiki.ubuntu.com
[16:43] <ejat> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuCloudInfrastructure <-- ok thanks
[16:55] <jimbaker> SpamapS, thanks. over at oscon with m_3 working on demo stuff
[16:55] <SpamapS> jimbaker: woot
[17:04] <bkerensa> m_3: so the dependency should not be tight according to the upstream author so I removed the ppa portion
[17:05] <hazmat> jimbaker, m_3 rackspace is a fail btw
[17:05] <hazmat> jimbaker, m_3 they implement their own version of credential passing
[17:05] <hazmat> instead of keystone v2, even fixing that there are some other issues
[17:05] <hazmat> jimbaker, m_3 i'd go with ec2 or hpcloud
[17:06] <m_3> hazmat: I love you man... `jitsu export | jitsu import -enewenv -` worked
[17:07] <m_3> bkerensa: thanks
[17:22] <negronjl> SpamapS: got a chance to look further re: haproxy-overhauled ?
[17:28] <SpamapS> negronjl: I want to wrap up this nagios thing I did, and then I'll dive back into it
[17:29] <negronjl> SpamapS: you hate me :)
[17:29] <SpamapS> hazmat: wtf?! no keystone?
[17:37] <SpamapS> negronjl: because you're beautiful
[17:44] <_mup_> Bug #1025382 was filed: Add a generic constraint "persistent-root" <juju:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1025382 >
[18:06] <hazmat> SpamapS, its a bastardized keystone
[18:07] <hazmat> SpamapS, mostly its just different credential passing
[18:07] <SpamapS> hazmat: ahh the fun of apache licensing
[18:07] <hazmat> SpamapS, openstack is a kit for building your own snowflakes ;-)
[18:07] <SpamapS> "Lets create a single place to dump code that nobody runs"
[18:07] <SpamapS> btw.. 'juju status | ccze -A' is purty
[18:08] <SpamapS> we should like, build in --color to juju cli
[18:08] <hazmat> SpamapS, don't even get me started on how broken rspace is about their client tools.. nova client has had broken packages for months, and their swift client doesn't work with their custom keystone either.
[18:08] <SpamapS> 'started' is green, 'error' is red..
[18:09] <hazmat> nice
[18:09]  * hazmat should file a bug on status improvements
[18:09] <SpamapS> hostnames are blue
[18:10] <SpamapS> and known things are purple.. which is weird.. nrpe and mysql are purple.. but nagios is not
[18:11] <SpamapS> wow
[18:11] <SpamapS> jitsu export is.. like, everything I've been looking for
[18:11] <SpamapS> ^5's hazmat
[18:11] <hazmat> SpamapS, :-)
[18:11] <SpamapS> That should be like, feature #1 to go into goju
[18:11] <hazmat> SpamapS, i haven't pimped it out to folks yet, cause people hates features..
[18:11] <hazmat> but perhaps you guys can
[18:11] <SpamapS> Its enough to prove the concept is valid
[18:12] <SpamapS> we can move forward from there once we have a permanent home for the feature :)
[18:12] <hazmat> SpamapS, this is pretty much the  exact syntax from the austin/lxc sprint ml discussion
[18:41] <hazmat> bcsaller, is the repairs branch ready for review?
[18:42] <bcsaller> hazmat: since we are not supporting restarts I was just testing changes that use start-ephemeral to see if its faster for people
[18:42] <hazmat> bcsaller, pls stop adding additional features to the bug fix, its much, much more important to release the fix for the original bug that add extraneous things.
[18:42] <hazmat> s/than
[18:43] <hazmat> moreover most of things are inappropriate for an SRU
[18:44] <hazmat> and at the very least need to have separate bugs/documentation
[18:44] <bcsaller> hey, before that bug you were the one that had me working on this ;)
[18:44] <hazmat> bcsaller, i wanted a fix for the bug, not for any of the other things that are in that branch
[18:45] <hazmat> some of those things can definitely go into an SRU, but their still more appropriate and better documented with separate branches and bugs.
[18:46] <hazmat> and specifically for the download feedback, that was in the context of informing of downloads when doing cloud-images, not tying the existing ma into desktop-notifications.
[18:47] <hazmat> feels much more like pending stuff that's been discussed and you decided to put into this branch, but it was never part of the expectation for the bug in question
[18:48] <SpamapS> a good SRU btw, would be to *just* remove the 'start on' from the upstart jobs
[18:48]  * hazmat nods
[18:49] <SpamapS> so you can land whatever fix you want
[18:49] <SpamapS> Once its fixed in quantal, I can do a much simpler patch for SRU :)
[18:52] <hazmat> actually for the upstart jobs, its better to just not have them if it doesn't survive restart and just fork the relevant processes.
[18:52] <hazmat> rather than dropping files into sys dirs that are irrelevant
[18:53] <SpamapS> yes that would be great
[18:54] <SpamapS> tho its nice to be able to easily restart them
[18:54] <SpamapS> hazmat: upstart has a notion of user jobs
[18:54] <SpamapS> but I think they're off by default IIRC
[19:33] <SpamapS> hrm, getting lots of tracebacks when running relation-get -r$relid in an upgrade-charm hook
[19:34] <SpamapS> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1095430/
[19:38] <SpamapS> Ok, I *think* have working nagios+nrpe in a generic fashion...
[19:39] <SpamapS> to the point where this is all thats needed to add monitoring to wordpress:
[19:39] <SpamapS> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1095441/
[19:41] <james_w> cool
[19:41] <SpamapS> james_w: I haven't forgotten custom nagios plugin support either :)
[19:42] <james_w> :-)
[19:42] <SpamapS> james_w: lp:~clint-fewbar/charms/precise/nrpe/trunk ... but.. I'd wait for my README updates and blog post.. there's a *LOT* there :)
[19:43] <SpamapS> time for lunch
[21:37] <dpb___> is there a limit to the number of lxc clients that juju could effectively start?
[21:40] <SpamapS> dpb___: ZooKeeper keeps everything in RAM.. and each one needs at least 400MB of disk space...
[21:40] <SpamapS> dpb___: so, yes, your box will crumble well before any logical limits are reached
[21:41] <dpb___> oh, nice.
[21:42] <SpamapS> dpb___: I've done 7 at a time before.. it made my SSD feel slow. :)
[21:42] <SpamapS> All that dpkg :-P
[21:42] <dpb___> ya, I just tried to spin up 10 and it's zookeeper is throwing errors in debug-log
[22:09] <dpb___> new one for me: 2012-07-16 22:08:28,265 ERROR Invalid Remote Path provider-state
[22:17] <imbrandon> SpamapS: even the local ZK keeps a full FS and not just pointers to it ? so ... in LXC a single NRPE deploy would be 1.2GB of disk just to store the charm
[22:18] <imbrandon> ... that seems wrong.
[22:18] <dpb___> ok, for future reference, data-dir cannot do ~ substitution.  :)
[22:18] <imbrandon> ( also seems wrong there is 400MB of data in the charm ... )
[22:22] <SpamapS> imbrandon: no it doesn't keep *EVERYTHING* in it
[22:22] <imbrandon> actually a more than 2.4GB ... 400 in the local:repo ~/.juju/charmname 400 more and then ZK bootstrap lxc has 400mb on the zk fs and then it deploys to another lxc that add 400 in /var/lib/juju/service/* and finaly another in /mnt or where ever its running from the final 400mb...
[22:22] <SpamapS> imbrandon: it keeps everything that is in the ZK tree in RAM
[22:22] <imbrandon> right i'm just saying a 400mb charm is 2.4gb deployed in LXC
[22:22] <imbrandon> seems ... off
[22:25] <imbrandon> SpamapS: btw got me a shiney new fileserver powered on and in the spare bedroom ( my in-home DC , lol )
[22:28] <imbrandon> now i have enough disks spun up and in the right manner that i can migrate things from 4 other machines I have around doing various things all to that one + any minor crons etc they ran, and I've already purchased a rsync.net account just to offsite backup that one box GREATLY simplifying by @home setup that has become a frankenstein over the years ... one server, running minimal services with 12tb of raided storage and a offsite backup ready to g
[22:29] <imbrandon> BUT the major win out of the whole thing , and what caused me to finaly do it this weekend ? heheh in-house MAAS with OpenStack on  5 nodes ( got a lil laptop to use as the controller ) with Gigabit speeds
[22:30] <imbrandon> woot woot
[22:30] <imbrandon> :)
[22:31] <imbrandon> hoping by Wed or so I'll have everyting copied into place and verified etc  etc + the boxes reprovisioned fo sum fun hehh
[22:31] <imbrandon> ( i keep off site backups of family members data too so i cant afford to goof it up , lol )
[23:06] <SpamapS> imbrandon: where do you get 2.4gb from 400MB?
[23:06] <SpamapS> imbrandon: you want CoW for the charm on local? Thats a bit far reaching. ;)
[23:06] <SpamapS> imbrandon: some day.. not today
[23:08] <imbrandon> SpamapS: yea , i konw its not fixable ( well not in the current context other things need to fall into place first )
[23:09] <imbrandon> just had no real strong feeling about more data in the charm than config templates untill just now tho
[23:09] <imbrandon> and i realized that
[23:09] <SpamapS> 400Mb would be a bit weird
[23:09] <imbrandon> i mean i dident like it but was like meh, now it seems like a very very bad idea
[23:09] <imbrandon> and yea 2.4
[23:10] <imbrandon> count it with me , maybe i'm wrong ...
[23:10] <SpamapS> 400 in the charm.. 400 into the file storage.. 400 on the disk layed down.. thats 1.2G not 2.4
[23:11] <imbrandon> ok so you have /var/lib/charm/400.mb   then you juju bootstrap and it copies it to ~/.juju/400.mb and then again to the lxc zk/400.mb then you "juju deploy charm" and zk copies it to new node at /var/lib/charm/400.mb and then the hooks fire and unpack it to /mnt/400.mb
[23:12] <imbrandon> whats that add up ... all on your laptop ... but even on ec2 thats a bit extreeme
[23:12] <imbrandon> oh, and there is also a cached copy in s3 as well ...
[23:15] <SpamapS> imbrandon: I don't believe it copies it to ~/.juju if its a local:
[23:15] <SpamapS> imbrandon: and it never copies the charm into zk
[23:15] <SpamapS> zk is structure only
[23:15] <SpamapS> imbrandon: /var/lib/charm also doesn't exist :)
[23:15] <imbrandon> ahh ok so i was mixing up my zk/400.mb with s3/400.mb
[23:16] <imbrandon> and thats where i deploy local: form
[23:16] <imbrandon> from* so just used it in my head
[23:17]  * imbrandon echo "JUJU_REPOSITORY=/var/lib/charms/precise/" >> /etc/profile.d/juju-charms
[23:17] <imbrandon> :)
[23:18] <SpamapS> Hrm, bug in subordinates
[23:19] <imbrandon> nice clean place outside of my ~/Projects/juju/charms/ to let "charm getall" live and not mix uninstentionally with the ones in Projects i'm actively developing :)
[23:19] <SpamapS> if I destroy the primary service.. I never see a depart for the unit of the subordinate
[23:21] <imbrandon> hrm
[23:21] <imbrandon> race ?
[23:22] <SpamapS> something like that
[23:22] <SpamapS> 2012-07-16 16:17:03,362 unit:nrpe/5: statemachine DEBUG: relationworkflowstate: transition complete depart (state departed) {}
[23:22] <imbrandon> i never took the time to dig into pyjuju enough to be effective even trying to look since i'm just concentrating on other things waiting for go
[23:22] <SpamapS> Thats the depart from the sub<->primary relationship
[23:23] <imbrandon> ok ...
[23:23] <SpamapS> so its possible it just commits hari-kari and never cleans anything else up
[23:23] <imbrandon> so thats right ...
[23:23] <imbrandon> oh well sure , well kinda
[23:23] <SpamapS> it should be departing all of its non-primary relations first
[23:23] <imbrandon> isnt that the point of its async call backs is it can do it anytime, so it is right? its just sloppy
[23:24] <imbrandon> like i said not dug enough into this bit to be really informed
[23:24] <imbrandon> just thought thats how it was tho
[23:24] <SpamapS> Yeah unless one of your callbacks does its own little self-suicide instead of telling the reactor to exit when its all done
[23:24] <imbrandon> right, so its a bug but not quite the same kind
[23:24] <SpamapS> this is all speculation
[23:25] <imbrandon> just a bad implmentation not accounting for any order
[23:25] <SpamapS> I have a reproducible problem
[23:25] <imbrandon> right rihgt
[23:25] <SpamapS> which causes my nagios stuff to never clean up after itself :-/
[23:25] <imbrandon> just just trying to help ya play strawman :)
[23:25] <SpamapS> which sucks
[23:25] <imbrandon> but you destroyed it
[23:25] <imbrandon> why care ?
[23:25] <SpamapS> because I've been able to do it without regenerating the whole nagios config every time
[23:25] <SpamapS> I destroyed it
[23:25] <SpamapS> so now I need to remove it from the nagios configs
[23:25] <imbrandon> oh THAT hook isnt going ?
[23:26] <SpamapS> thats the hook that isn't going
[23:26] <imbrandon> but i thought that they all fire just late ...
[23:26] <imbrandon> or ... ok one sec let me re-read that above
[23:26] <imbrandon> confused mtself i think lol
[23:26] <SpamapS> there's a relationship between nrpe<->nagios .. and one between  wordpress<->nagios .. and when I destroy wordpress, it nrpe/X is gone.. but never departs from the nagios<->nrpe relationship
[23:27] <imbrandon> ummm
[23:27] <imbrandon> it shouldent
[23:27] <imbrandon> oh wait ...
[23:27] <imbrandon> it /should/
[23:28] <imbrandon> but dident you tell me that before that might happen
[23:28] <imbrandon> with something i did in the 1st newrelic ones
[23:28] <_mup_> Bug #1025478 was filed: destroying a primary service does not cause subordinate to depart <juju:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1025478 >
[23:28] <imbrandon> one*
[23:28] <SpamapS> yes but in this case the relation hasn't been broken.. nrpe and nagios are still related.. just a *unit* departed
[23:29] <imbrandon> right, i dident care cuz i dont work without it
[23:29] <imbrandon> you could still try to be working ... if they both reported to the same nrpe ... but honestly thats the incorrect way to deploy nagios i was taught
[23:31] <imbrandon> here let me run through a line of how i was shown to deploy nagios when first learning about it at GSI logn long ago and this si from memory but i think will not be effected by the bug even if the bug needs fixwed
[23:31] <imbrandon> ok soooo
[23:31] <imbrandon> service we say simle html app on apache
[23:31] <SpamapS>         is_principal = not (yield self._service.is_subordinate())
[23:31] <SpamapS> I just love inlineCallbacks :-P
[23:31] <imbrandon> easy one check on port 80 nrpe checking it
[23:32] <imbrandon> i actually do ... specicaly recursive ones :(
[23:32] <imbrandon> heheh
[23:32] <imbrandon> anyhow so yoy got one nrpe on 80
[23:32] <SpamapS> imbrandon: sorry wtf are you getting on about nagios?
[23:32] <imbrandon> you run 3 nagios in your senerio
[23:32] <imbrandon> in the right way
[23:32] <imbrandon> like how jenkins is run
[23:33] <imbrandon> jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com dont run any jobs, other jenkins report their results into it
[23:33] <SpamapS> so, in my world, NRPE is for checking things local to the box, and everything else the nagios server does direct against the host address.
[23:34] <SpamapS> and then nsca goes the other way.. pushes things back from server -> nagios
[23:34] <SpamapS> imbrandon: if you're talking about scaling out nagios.. we're not there yet. Lets just *configure* nagios first.
[23:35] <imbrandon> nrpe local -> to one nagios per service --> one more nagios for whole environment
[23:35] <SpamapS> yeah
[23:35] <SpamapS> slow your roll
[23:35] <SpamapS> thats later
[23:35] <imbrandon> yea but if you do that then bug dont matter
[23:35] <SpamapS> yes
[23:35] <imbrandon> is what i was pointing out
[23:35] <SpamapS> yes it does
[23:35] <SpamapS> because I'd still be monitoring a now deceased box
[23:35] <imbrandon> no because both services die thgen
[23:35] <lifeless> what do I need to do to push the charm review foeward ?
[23:35] <SpamapS> You're going to run *ALL OF NAGIOS* on the box?!
[23:36] <imbrandon> no , well thats how i said it but not in rewality
[23:36] <lifeless> I'm reminded of the perl joke here.
[23:36] <imbrandon> it was for wasy explaining
[23:36] <SpamapS> lifeless: m_3 is supposed to pilot tomorrow, but I suspect he'll be busy prepping for OSCON demo's .. so I might take his spot
[23:37] <SpamapS> imbrandon: ok, so you're going to run a nagios for every service?
[23:37] <imbrandon> but you end up with nrpe plugins all over , maybe even many on one box , then one nagios where ever per service name its related to if it gets another relation name then it fires up another daemon of nagios , and then both report to a 3rd
[23:38] <bkerensa> imbrandon: hi
[23:38] <imbrandon> maybe even on that same box as well but that 3rd will be the  one the customer "reads"
[23:38] <bkerensa> SpamapS: he is very busy preparing ^
[23:39] <imbrandon> SpamapS: not just every service but every service relation, but they can all still just be on one "nagios" machines physicly
[23:39] <imbrandon> heya bkerensa , hows it goin
[23:39] <SpamapS> imbrandon: so if I have 40 services, I have 40 /usr/sbin/nagios running? All due respect, but that sounds bat@!$% crazy
[23:40] <SpamapS> imbrandon: nagios is perfectly capable of scaling one nagios daemon up to thousands of service checks
[23:40] <imbrandon> lifeless: i'll have some time tonight and tomarrow as well, i'll review it and minimum give ya feed back if I think its too complex for me to +1 alone
[23:40] <imbrandon> :)
[23:40] <bkerensa> imbrandon: nothing much just hanging with all the juju folks except for SpamapS  :D
[23:41] <imbrandon> SpamapS: yea and no , and in yes 40 and no its the norm, or at least how i've actually seen nagios deployed realworld
[23:41] <SpamapS> imbrandon: also for this bug.. I have a workaround.. which is to just trash anything that belongs to the primary service even if the sub relationship still thinks it should be there.
[23:41] <imbrandon> but seriously 40 services in one env ?
[23:41] <SpamapS> imbrandon: even 5.. I see no reason to do that.
[23:41] <imbrandon> sure, nagios is designed just exactly for that and its light
[23:41] <elmo> imbrandon: I've never seen nagios deployed that way or even heard anyone doing it that way, FWIW
[23:41] <SpamapS> imbrandon: and it would still suffer the same problem, because the nrpe relationship would still be left dangling
[23:41] <elmo> (until now)
[23:42] <imbrandon> its like built into the setup that one is normaly a "collector" and gathers the others
[23:42] <imbrandon> SpamapS: but would only break one instnce of the daemon
[23:42] <imbrandon> that dont matter at that point anyhow
[23:42] <SpamapS> imbrandon: yes thats one thing nagios can do, but thats for aggregating several monitoring boxes into one.. not for "the norm"
[23:43] <imbrandon> soory i dont follow what you mean there
[23:43] <imbrandon> heya elmo :)
[23:43] <SpamapS> I could see an issue where nagios would be heavily single threaded and need more processes to scale up onto one box with lots of cores..
[23:43] <SpamapS> but nagios is pretty well written and is almost always just waiting on slow network stuff and disk
[23:44] <elmo> nagios already spawns processes to distribute check load
[23:44] <SpamapS> Yeah, I've seen pretty moderate boxes keep up just fine with thousands of checks defined and running at pretty regular intervals
[23:44] <imbrandon> elmo: yea thats what i'm trying to unsuccessfully explain that its very common to break nagios up like that
[23:44] <imbrandon> or other arbitrary ways
[23:45] <imbrandon> SpamapS: yea i know for fact there is a dell 2650 in the basement reporting about 10k checks :) [ its my brother in laws machine heh ]
[23:45] <imbrandon> and those are only like c2d 1.6ghz or something silly
[23:47] <imbrandon> ( that dumb dude went nuts and has like one website cheked like for real 8 ways or something , like tcp, then telnet then http 80 then text exists etc etc etc ]
[23:47] <imbrandon> i think he was just bored or was trying to make it break )
[23:47] <imbrandon> heh
[23:50]  * imbrandon setups up 2 checks for php/python/rails apps ( on each node direct ) one to pull a txt file from /health-check/plain.txt and make sure its 200 with body "OK" and one to pull /health-check/dynamic.php{or .py or .erb/.rb} to get a 200 and a "OK" body thats printed by the code
[23:51] <imbrandon> that should cover about any thing as far as if the server is working ( not taking something slips past lint and other checks at build and/or deploy and is a app error )
[23:52] <SpamapS> imbrandon: IMO the really important monitor is the one that verifies traffic is flowing
[23:53] <SpamapS> imbrandon: artificial checks are great, but I want to know that requests are happening at normal levels
[23:53] <imbrandon> right, thats a whole nother class of check , as well as the disk space one, dunno how many times i've seen a log fill the box and totaly hose everyting
[23:54] <imbrandon> even if most all logs are on other partiions or something , someone fraks up and writes their own or logrotate dies or some crap
[23:54] <imbrandon> never fails
[23:55]  * imbrandon thinks damn near every log should be sent to /dev/null on prod machines anyhow with the exception of the authlog and dmesg for hardware failures etc
[23:56] <imbrandon> but all service/daemons supporting services/and apps should not need or really imho be forcefully sent to /dev/null in prod
[23:59] <SpamapS> imbrandon: I think I'll stick with the "should be sent to a central logging host asynchronously" not /dev/null
[23:59] <imbrandon> better ways to clicktrack or anything else they might provide, and you should have a identical setup in staging to debug issues, not similar, identical, that way if something is up its in a hardware log/syslog still cuz its hardware ( or more likely delll openmanage has already told nagios that a hdd has been spun and you just get the report from in the NoC HUD's and call dell to add another when they show up in their 4 hrs and it gets hotswapped
[23:59] <SpamapS> imbrandon: if that host decides to devnull them thats fine, but I want to be able to see them
[23:59] <imbrandon> oh i know , just ranting at this point


[22:50] <LittleBallOfHate> InferiorHuman: you problebly aren't leaving your keys in the default palce on windows, or you're not pasting the right format key
[22:51] <InferiorHuman> see idk what that means
[22:52] <ceege> just make sure you use the *ppk file when you set up the connection, or use putty-agent and add the ppk key to the agent
[22:52] <LittleBallOfHate> InferiorHuman: puttygen has little spot in the window when you create your key that says copy and paste this to the linux box into .ssh/authorized_keys
[22:52] <feodor> #juanacatlan
[22:52] <InferiorHuman> if i use ssh-keygen on linux is id_rsa my private key and id_rsa.pub is my public?
[22:52] <feodor> #juanacatlan hola
[22:53] <ceege> and are you adding the contents of the ppk file to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the other side? and setting the right permissions on those files?
[22:53] <LittleBallOfHate> the .ppk file is the private key
[22:53] <LittleBallOfHate> wouldn't work if he pasted that
[22:54] <escott> InferiorHuman, yes if you use ssh-keygen on linux id_rsa is the private and id_rsa.pub is the public. you might try "cat id_rsa.pub >> authorized_keys" and then "ssh localhost" just to see if authkeys is working linux->linux which might isolate if there is an issue using putty
[22:55] <InferiorHuman> escott, ok I did that ssh localhost still asked me for a pass...
[22:55] <escott> InferiorHuman, how about ls -l ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
[22:55] <LittleBallOfHate> escott: perms on .ssh maybe?
[22:56] <InferiorHuman> -rw------- 1 x x 389 Jun  8 18:54 /home/x/.ssh/authorized_keys
[22:56] <SetiAmon> hey 12.04 I have a weird situation.I load up a bunch of wallpaper on background settings.and select my wallpaper,then when i return back to that all the Non-Default wallpapers i loaded up are there! I have to load them up every single time which is annoying.Anyone got a solution to this?
[22:56] <escott> InferiorHuman, and ls -ld ~/.ssh (i doubt that could be wrong in any way)
[22:56] <mentalDisorder> reisio: you're kinda genius
[22:57] <InferiorHuman> drwx------ 2 x x 4096 Jun  8 18:34 /home/x/.ssh
[22:57] <InferiorHuman> why is this so hard :-*
[22:57] <reisio> mentalDisorder: :p
[22:57] <InferiorHuman> :-(
[22:57] <LittleBallOfHate> InferiorHuman: and you did sudo apt-get install openssh-server?
[22:57] <InferiorHuman> yea its running
[22:57] <InferiorHuman> i can log in with p/w fine
[22:57] <InferiorHuman> i can never get this to work
[22:58] <InferiorHuman> NEVERMIND.
[22:58] <InferiorHuman> it just worked ;-)
[22:58] <escott> InferiorHuman, grep PubkeyAuthentication /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[22:58] <eagle_eye> !permissions
[22:58] <InferiorHuman> i imported the private key from OpenSSH into putty gen and saved it as a .ppk for putty.
[22:58] <InferiorHuman> and copied the id_rsa.pub or whatever to ~/.ssh_authorized_keys
[22:58] <InferiorHuman> and it works now thanks escott LittleBallOfHate
[22:59] <reisio> mentalDisorder: what does this say?: for i in `dpkg -L pulseaudio`; do grep -Hil 'switch = mute' "$i"; done
[22:59] <wolfbyte> Hi, does anyone know how I can redirect espeak (text-to-speech) output to my mic input ?
[22:59] <TheGodCock> whats up everybody
[22:59] <reisio> TheGodCock: suppah
[23:00] <TheGodCock> so im just gonna assume that everyone in here uses ubuntu
[23:00] <TheGodCock> lol
[23:00] <LittleBallOfHate> InferiorHuman: that works too
[23:00] <mentalDisorder> it gives me about 20 *.conf files
[23:00] <reisio> TheGodCock: y'know what they say about assumptions :p
[23:00] <LittleBallOfHate> InferiorHuman: kinda the backwards way of doing it
[23:01] <InferiorHuman> LittleBallOfHate, im ok with that if saving these 2 keys means I never have to do it again :-)
[23:01] <InferiorHuman> or atleast I know how now
[23:01] <TheGodCock> something about asses
[23:01] <TheGodCock> definitely some ass in assumption
[23:01] <LittleBallOfHate> InferiorHuman: yeah, make sure you take care of those keys. anybody can get into the linux box with no password using them. as long as you don't have a pass on the keys.
[23:02] <InferiorHuman> LittleBallOfHate, from the internet or just my local network?
[23:02] <escott> InferiorHuman, anywhere unless you configure otherwise
[23:02] <n1ckn4me09876543> Help!!!! I have this file on my home folder:  .goutputstream-ABCXYZ   I've search google and it seems this is a mystery.
[23:02] <LittleBallOfHate> InferiorHuman: if you allow it into the box. and by default there's no firewall on, so if it's directly internet exposed then yeah.
[23:02] <mentalDisorder> thanks, thank you very much, bye
[23:03] <InferiorHuman> Oh i'm behind two routers :-) one from my ISP and one running DD-WRT with iptables is that good enough?
[23:03] <LittleBallOfHate> InferiorHuman: quite
[23:03] <InferiorHuman> im not going to let anyone get these keys anyway
[23:03] <escott> InferiorHuman, http://blog.vigilcode.com/2011/11/mastering-ssh-keys/
[23:03] <escott> InferiorHuman, if you want to block subnets you can see that in the above posting
[23:05] <InferiorHuman> escott, so I add something like this to my authorized keys file on linux? from="10.20.30.*,172.16.31.*,192.168.1.*"
[23:05] <InferiorHuman> with only my local IP range?
[23:05] <falstaph> problem getting broadcom wifi to run with ubuntu 12.04  I have the drivers but how do install them?
[23:05] <escott> InferiorHuman, yes
[23:05] <InferiorHuman> escott, so from="10.10.10.*"
[23:05] <InferiorHuman> ?
[23:05] <escott> InferiorHuman, you can do lots of fun stuff with auth keys like allow ssh access with an authkey but only for a specific application
[23:06] <escott> InferiorHuman, if that is your subnet yes
[23:06] <InferiorHuman> by subnet you mean the ip's of my local stuff?
[23:06] <InferiorHuman> yea my fios modem is <IP_ADDRESS> my dd-wrt router in switch mode is <IP_ADDRESS> and so on
[23:07] <asus1025c> does anyone here own an Atom N2600 or N2800 based netbook and using its hdmi port under gnu/linux?
[23:07] <LordDeath> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTExNjQ <-- is this performance difference caused by GCC?
[23:08] <TheGodCock> i have a acer one
[23:08] <falstaph> setting wifi I have the drivers how do I install them
[23:08] <t0ntin> Jordan_U, i'm back. Could you tell me what I'm supposed to choose here to install ubuntu alongside windows? https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/5d-YYHFK9e8Ph2v3reZTvdMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[23:08] <TheGodCock> atom n270 i think
[23:08] <escott> InferiorHuman, yes. you may also want to disable password login, so that nobody tries to brute force the password
[23:09] <InferiorHuman> escott, hrm. this is just my personal storage server / hooked up to my amplifier
[23:09] <Jordan_U> t0ntin: Jordan__: I'm not going to be availabe for about an hour.
[23:09] <InferiorHuman> idk if thats an issue of anyone brute forcing
[23:09] <InferiorHuman> nothing worth having ;-)
[23:09] <t0ntin> jordan_u, ok, thanks
[23:09] <escott> InferiorHuman, but if you dont have port forwarding from the modem/router to the server it doesnt really matter because they cant open the port
[23:10] <InferiorHuman> escott, I do have port-forwrding but not for the ssh port is this ok?
[23:10] <LittleBallOfHate> InferiorHuman: yes
[23:10] <Relondo> Does Ubuntu have a function that warns you when your hardware is overheating, like Mac and Windows?
[23:10] <n1ckn4me09876543> t0ntin, you can just do automatic install instead of doing it manually
[23:10] <InferiorHuman> looks like im good to go i added the subnet restriction to the public key file.
[23:10] <escott> InferiorHuman, then nobody from the wider internet can reach your ssh server
[23:10] <LittleBallOfHate> InferiorHuman: that's why I said you were good before.
[23:10] <escott> InferiorHuman, so the subnet restriction doesnt really matter
[23:10] <InferiorHuman> thats ok i'll let it stand anyway
[23:10] <InferiorHuman> since i have no need to login to my box from the 'net anyway
[23:11] <InferiorHuman> its a good idea as a backup pla
[23:11] <n1ckn4me09876543> t0ntin: if you dont have any files in sda5  and sda4  just merge it to your sda2,
[23:11] <LittleBallOfHate> InferiorHuman: I use my box as a nas and router
[23:11] <escott> InferiorHuman, although if they switch you ipv6 then you might not have a NAT and its back to being useful
[23:11] <t0ntin> n1ckn4me09876543, how do i do that?
[23:11] <n1ckn4me09876543> t0ntin: then go back and do automatic, so you odnt have to pick a partition, the installer will do that for you
[23:11] <falstaph> I saw an applet that would monitor the heat sensors and warn of overheating.
[23:11] <LittleBallOfHate> InferiorHuman: get rid of that dd-wrt box and use the ubuntu box
[23:11] <InferiorHuman> all I do is folding @ home etc with my linux machine
[23:11] <InferiorHuman> usually
[23:11] <Chuck_Norris> aloha all :D
[23:12] <Bulletrulz> help
[23:12] <t0ntin> n1ckn4me09876543, I don't remember seeing automatic anywhere
[23:12] <Chuck_Norris> *sounds of wind*
[23:12] <n1ckn4me09876543> t0ntin: do you have any files in sda5  and sda4 ?
[23:12] <InferiorHuman> LittleBallOfHate, my dd-wrt is an N router it provides my wifi with 150 mw of power ;-)
[23:12] <Bulletrulz> how to install ubuntu 10.04 32 bit with wubi
[23:12] <InferiorHuman> very strong signal.
[23:12] <Relondo> Also, can anyone recommend AV software for Ubuntu? I mean, I know Linux doesn't have much of that, but I figure better safe than sorry.
[23:12] <Relondo> *much need of that
[23:12] <t0ntin> n1ckn4me09876543, i actually don't remember if i have files in those. I know one or two are used by Dell somehow
[23:12] <Chuck_Norris> Relondo: Pinguins Pill
[23:12] <LittleBallOfHate> InferiorHuman: I use a dd-wrt box in wap mode, no routing, just an access point and switch.
[23:12] <ceege> hdparm can get hard drives temps from some hard drives, Relondo
[23:12] <n1ckn4me09876543> t0ntin: before you get to that window, you should see a few options like Install Ubuntu Alongside windows,  and other stuff
[23:13] <Chuck_Norris> Relondo: http://penguinpills.sourceforge.net/
[23:13] <Pinkamena_D> hello, i am trying to find a way to make my network bridge work correctly at startup
[23:13] <boldfilter> When will we get native mtp support
[23:13] <n1ckn4me09876543> t0ntin: you might have click advance options or something where you edit partition manually
[23:13] <Relondo> Ceege: So there's nothing built-in, then?
[23:13] <InferiorHuman> LittleBallOfHate, how do you put it in wap mode? I have my isp modem in a lan port and all my computers in a lan port DHCP from modem to get IP's so i'm not double nat for gaming.
[23:13] <eagle_eye> Relondo: you don't need an AV for Ubuntu
[23:14] <Relondo> Chuck_Norris: Thanks, I'll give it a look.
[23:14] <t0ntin> n1ckn4me09876543, It asked me if I wanted to connect to the internet, and then something else that I can't remember, and then it showed me that partition screen
[23:14] <Relondo> eagle_eye: I just like to be careful.
[23:14] <jrdn> Relondo, clamav
[23:14] <LittleBallOfHate> InferiorHuman: my isp's router lets me assign my public ip to the linux box
[23:14] <InferiorHuman> LittleBallOfHate, I have the WAN turned off on the dd-wrt also
[23:14] <Pinkamena_D> i have two internet modems , one goes direct to server for torrents or large downloads, the other goes to a network bridge on the server. something is wrong with ubuntus "primary interface".
[23:14] <Bulletrulz> but i t wont install with the wubi it keeps trying to download 64 bit
[23:14] <Relondo> jrdn: Thanks, I'll look at that, too.
[23:14] <Chuck_Norris> oh! sry, penguin pills is usefull in case you wanna scan flash drives or external disk or windows partitions
[23:14] <Bulletrulz> HELP
[23:14] <InferiorHuman> LittleBallOfHate, what feature is that called?
[23:15] <boldfilter> Native mtp support?
[23:15] <Chuck_Norris> is not for real time
[23:15] <LittleBallOfHate> InferiorHuman: bridge mode maybe?
[23:15] <LittleBallOfHate> InferiorHuman: on the isp router
[23:15] <Pinkamena_D> i can get the bridged connection to connect to the internet by 1)unplugging other connection 2) runningip route add default via <IP_ADDRESS> 3) plug the cable back in
[23:15] <Pinkamena_D> in that order
[23:15] <juaroj8_> hola necesito una ayuda con un servidor de ubuntu 12.04
[23:15] <InferiorHuman> LittleBallOfHate, yea im not sure how to do that
[23:16] <Bulletrulz> HELP!!!!!
[23:16] <Pinkamena_D> why would i need to do this / how do i change the "primary interface" by default
[23:16] <InferiorHuman> LittleBallOfHate, I followed a guide to set mine up the way it is.
[23:16] <ceege> lm-sensors might be what you want then Relondo - are there are gadgets for the desktop if that's what you mean
[23:16] <LittleBallOfHate> InferiorHuman: what kind of router is it?
[23:16] <IdleOne> !es | juaroj8_
[23:16] <Chuck_Norris> Relondo: idk, but... if you have a "really" good PC you may try avg or avast or maby nod for linux, but it's not necesary
[23:16] <Relondo> Chuck_Norris: Why do I need a high-end PC for Avast?  Chuck Norris doesn't aprove AV on Linux
[23:17] <ceege> yeah, sensors-applet does HD temps and fan speeds
[23:17] <LittleBallOfHate> InferiorHuman: ah, my girl has fios, haven't looked at their setup
[23:17] <asus1025c> does anyone here own an Atom N2600 or N2800 based netbook and using its hdmi port under gnu/linux?
[23:17] <asus1025c> My netbook is Asus EEEPC 1025C which features Intel GMA3650 graphics which are NOT supported by Intel and, I believe, there is a VERY experimental support even running linux 3.4.1
[23:17] <Relondo> Ceege: No, what I'm talking about is in Windows and Mac, depending on the model, your OS can alert you to when your hardware is about to kill itself.
[23:17] <n1ckn4me09876543> t0ntin: did you create sda4, sda5 ?
[23:17] <captainalvy> hey
[23:17] <InferiorHuman> LittleBallOfHate, right now my setup is, isp-modem-router (<IP_ADDRESS>) dd-wrt (<IP_ADDRESS>) my pc's get dhcp address from isp modem like <IP_ADDRESS>+
[23:18] <InferiorHuman> LittleBallOfHate, yea they just installed this fios for me today
[23:18] <t0ntin> n1ckn4me09876543, i created one or two of those at one point, yes, but i don't know which ones can be deleted
[23:18] <ceege> lm-sensors is an alarm system
[23:18] <LittleBallOfHate> InferiorHuman: you'd also need two interfaces on the linux box.
[23:18] <t0ntin> n1ckn4me09876543, i didn't create them today
[23:18] <LittleBallOfHate> InferiorHuman: actually there's a way to do it with one but it's messy
[23:18] <n1ckn4me09876543> t0ntin: you said it might be windows who created partition sda4 sda5?    ok ok, you need to find out if there's any file on them before you can remove them
[23:18] <InferiorHuman> LittleBallOfHate, oh I only have 1 ethernet card on my linux 1 on my windows 7
[23:18] <Chuck_Norris> Relondo: becouse, i try Nod years ago (when i was a noob) in realtime but consumed a lot o resources and i just uninstalled it
[23:19] <n1ckn4me09876543> t0ntin: go to Ubuntu Live preview  whatever tha'ts called, lets you boot to ubuntu desktop live
[23:19] <t0ntin> n1ckn4me09876543, windows does not recognize them. I only see drive C: in windows
[23:19] <LittleBallOfHate> InferiorHuman: your can get supported ethernet cards for $20
[23:19] <raevol> anyone know the command to restart the unity window decorator?
[23:19] <InferiorHuman> LittleBallOfHate, this setup I have works fine and i'm getting the advertised speeds using the dd-wrt to serve wifi does that sound good or is it stupid and I should just use the modem-router from verizon ?
[23:19] <LittleBallOfHate> InferiorHuman: do what makes you happy and is secure
[23:19] <Relondo> Chuck_Norris: Is it really that much of a non-issue? I mean, surely SOMEONE out there is building viruses for Linux.
[23:20] <InferiorHuman> LittleBallOfHate, I think this is working cause my dd-wrt doesn't do the NAT the isp modem does and I don't get double NAT so I can still play on xbox live. so I think this setup will work just fine.
[23:20] <InferiorHuman> LittleBallOfHate, btw dd-wrt is a tiny linux for routers if you didn't know
[23:20] <eagle_eye> Relondo: Yes it is a non-issue
[23:20] <t0ntin> n1ckn4me09876543, you mean the ubuntu web site?
[23:21] <LittleBallOfHate> InferiorHuman: yeah, the way i have it with the modem assigning it's public address to the linux box doesn't lead to double nat
[23:21] <InferiorHuman> eagle_eye, thats what MAC users thought then WHAM alot of em had that virus/malware recentl
[23:21] <n1ckn4me09876543> t0ntin: go and reboot
[23:22] <eagle_eye> InferiorHuman: Mac is not Linux...:))
[23:22] <InferiorHuman> LittleBallOfHate, so you have ur modem in bridge mode, is there a webpage I can look at to see how your stuff is setup? im curious
[23:22] <LittleBallOfHate> InferiorHuman: one sec
[23:22] <Relondo> Chuck_Norris: Well, I think that I can definitely afford to run AV, RAM-wise, especially on Ubuntu.
[23:22] <InferiorHuman> eagle_eye, aren't they both unix based so pretty similar or no?
[23:22] <raevol> command to restart unity window decorator was gtk-window-decorator --replace, in case anyone is reading this in logs
[23:22] <t0ntin> n1ckn4me09876543,  i gotta know what to do because i'm installing ubuntu on this computer
[23:22] <eagle_eye> InferiorHuman:Mac isn"t open source...is it?
[23:23] <n1ckn4me09876543> t0ntin: you're installing ubuntu 12.04 ?   go and reboot then pick Try Ubuntu
[23:23] <InferiorHuman> eagle_eye, no
[23:23] <LittleBallOfHate> InferiorHuman: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=fios+modem+bridge+mode
[23:23] <InferiorHuman> eagle_eye, but wouldn't it be easier to build a virus for something that IS open source im not an expert
[23:23] <t0ntin> n1ckn4me09876543, got it, what do i do after that?
[23:23] <Relondo> eagle_eye: Nope. And it seems to me that Ubuntu, being open-source, would be very easy for a ne'er-do-well to exploit :/
[23:23] <eagle_eye> InferiorHuman: Bingo!
[23:24] <unkn-error> what is the difference bweteen linux image and linux headers?
[23:24] <LittleBallOfHate> unkn-error: image is the kernel itself
[23:24] <LittleBallOfHate> unkn-error: headers are the files that are needed to build some software
[23:24] <eagle_eye> Relondo: then it sems you don't understand open source yet...
[23:24] <n1ckn4me09876543> t0ntin: you'll open up a file manager (folder)  then look for the 2 partitions,  you'll click the icons so it mounts it then find out if there's any file in them
[23:24] <eagle_eye> seems*
[23:25] <InferiorHuman> LittleBallOfHate, LMAO let me google that for you
[23:25] <InferiorHuman> hahaha
[23:25] <LittleBallOfHate> InferiorHuman: :D
[23:25] <n1ckn4me09876543> t0ntin: 3rd icon to the left called Home Folder
[23:25] <unkn-error> If I need some real time / low latecy apps, then linux headers will be enough or should I install also the real time image?
[23:25] <LittleBallOfHate> unkn-error: image
[23:25] <InferiorHuman> LittleBallOfHate, but what does bridging do for me i am not sure ?
[23:25] <unkn-error> thx
[23:25] <srand> how do you install flash on ubuntu x64 ?
[23:25] <Relondo> eagle_eye: I was just thinking that, if the source code is available, any weaknesses would be well known to a hacker. Seriously, though, please explain why I'm wrong.
[23:26] <InferiorHuman> LittleBallOfHate, im better than most people w networking but not an expert
[23:26] <LittleBallOfHate> InferiorHuman: allows you to run a webserver, ssh server, build your own firewall and nat device, all kinds of things
[23:26] <Chuck_Norris> srand: download flash 64 from Adobe
[23:26] <LittleBallOfHate> InferiorHuman: if you use the linux box as a router
[23:26] <n1ckn4me09876543> t0ntin: you just need to find out if there's any files on those 2 partition, if not then you can safely delete them to merge with windows, sda4 and sda5
[23:27] <Chuck_Norris> sry srand do: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[23:27] <ceege> you don't need bridging unless you are going to run virtual machines that need to bridge through your real adapter to the network
[23:27] <jrib> Relondo: yep, windows being closed source surely never gets exploited :)
[23:27] <LittleBallOfHate> InferiorHuman: i also have VPN services setup on mine so my phone surfs as if I was at the house rather than from at&t's network
[23:27] <eagle_eye> Relondo: gnu linux is built by hackers, improved by hackers, documented by hackers, BELongs To hackers!
[23:28] <t0ntin> n1ckn4me09876543, ok, i'll see if i can do it
[23:28] <zykotick9> Chuck_Norris: i don't think flashplugin-installer will install 64bit, i think you need some adobe package from partner repo instead.  srand
[23:28] <InferiorHuman> LittleBallOfHate, http://www.dslreports.com/faq/12506 that is how my network is setup ATM
[23:28] <LittleBallOfHate> InferiorHuman: I can also use ssh or vpn to get from work to my boxes at home
[23:28] <srand> yeah i does not work for 64 bit, I've tried some guides but without succes
[23:28] <Chuck_Norris> zykotick9: let try if not, so from Adobe
[23:28] <n1ckn4me09876543> t0ntin: when you reboot it takes you to the screen where it ask you to Try Ubuntu or Install,  click install.  After that 3 options: Erase everything, Install alongside Windows, Something else. You wanna pick Install Alongside Windows.  Something else will take you to the partion screen where you have to specify stuff manually
[23:29] <t0ntin> n1ckn4me09876543,  i only have two options: erase everything and something else
[23:29] <n1ckn4me09876543> t0ntin: Install alongside ubuntu, after that you move a slider where you can choose the size for your ubuntu partition, after that its pretty much automatic the installer will so stuff for you.
[23:29] <Eszett> hey
[23:29] <Chuck_Norris> eagle_eye: biggest hacker ever: http://i.imgur.com/5XAdO.jpg
[23:29] <Eszett> how do I create a desktop shortcut in unity
[23:29] <Relondo> eagle_eye: True.
[23:29] <Eszett> there's no create launcher option for me
[23:30] <Eszett> and a symlink is undesirable
[23:30] <zybaldo> hey, can you guys help me to hack an msn account?
[23:30] <Eszett> zybaldo: OK
[23:30] <Eszett> 1) you can't ask here, that's illegal
[23:30] <Eszett> 2) you can't just "hack" an msn account
[23:30] <LittleBallOfHate> somebody ban zybaldo
[23:30] <Chuck_Norris> Eszett: gnome-desktop-item-edit ~/Desktop/ --create-new
[23:30] <Relondo> zybaldo: Yeah, sure, we'll all be party to your felony 0.0
[23:30] <Eszett> you can only hope to guess the password
[23:30] <eagle_eye> Chuck_Norris: who's that?
[23:30] <Eszett> LittleBallOfHate: he's ignorant, don't ban him yet
[23:30] <Eszett> newbies can learn
[23:30] <n1ckn4me09876543> t0ntin: hmm, idk why its not detecting windows as it should have.  What kind of ubuntu installer are you using?
[23:30] <Eszett> Chuck_Norris: thanks
[23:31] <Chuck_Norris> Eszett: np
[23:31] <zybaldo> sorry
[23:31] <Chuck_Norris> eagle_eye: i told ya, biggest hacker ever
[23:31] <t0ntin> n1ckn4me09876543, i burned an iso image onto a DVD. I got it from the ubuntu.com site
[23:31] <Eszett> zybaldo: I mean, the only way you could "hack" one is guess a password/password recovery question
[23:31] <eagle_eye> Chuck_Norris: really...lol!
[23:32] <Eszett> so basically, unless you know them very well or keylog their machine, you can't
[23:32] <Chuck_Norris> nope, i'm joking :D
[23:32] <ceege> and by 'biggest' he means 'fattest'
[23:32] <InferiorHuman> LittleBallOfHate, yea im not seeing how to set this to bridged mode yet
[23:32] <Eszett> if you could just "hack" accounts, then computers would not be in common use
[23:32] <eagle_eye> :))
[23:32] <Eszett> since then the bad guys would just hack us gov all the time
[23:33] <Lunar_Lander> hi, just got a flashplayer-installer update and then it said after running the updates "downloading additional files failed" and then something about me having to remove the package first before reinstalling it and that the package is now unusable, what exactly does that mean? (that is on 12.04 LTS)
[23:33] <falstaph> I need some help with my wifi card setup
[23:33] <dontknow> i installed flash through "ubuntu restricted extras". flash is now 11.3, will it update flash?
[23:33] <t0ntin> n1ckn4me09876543, before trying to do this, I was posting here that when I install ubuntu using the wubi, the system restarts as soon as I choose ubuntu when I start the computer.
[23:33] <Lunar_Lander> yeah I got the restricted extras as well
[23:33] <LittleBallOfHate> falstaph: what's the issue?
[23:33] <n1ckn4me09876543> t0ntin: did you find out if you can safely remove sda4 sda5 partitions?  if you're in 64 bit I think you can make more than 4 partitions
[23:34] <t0ntin> n1ckn4me09876543, i'm working on it
[23:34] <OerHeks> dontknow, 11.3 ? just got update  <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[23:34] <Relondo> Can Ubuntu not play MP3's?
[23:34] <Eszett> Chuck_Norris: oh I see, that opens a create launcher window. Thank you again :D
[23:35] <LittleBallOfHate> Relondo: restricted extras
[23:35] <Chuck_Norris> Eszett: np again :D
[23:35] <cleaninstall> without the extra packages it cant play mp3's , so get the restricted extra's
[23:35] <falstaph> I have downloaded the drivers for my broadcom card ... I have 43-fwcutter but I can't get everything to work
[23:35] <dontknow> OerHeks, how did you install flash? with restricted extras?
[23:35] <Lunar_Lander> OerHeks, I got the same version number as you
[23:35] <Relondo> LittleBallOfHate: What does that mean?
[23:35] <Chuck_Norris> Eszett: i tell ya a tip, give me a couple of seconds =P
[23:35] <Eszett> Now I'll use that to create a launcher to create a launcher
[23:35] <Eszett> :P
[23:35] <LittleBallOfHate> falstaph: why do you need drivers from broadcom and not ones in the kernel already?
[23:36] <eagle_eye> falstaph: lspci -v | grep ethernet
[23:36] <LittleBallOfHate> Relondo: enable restricted extras in your sources.list and then apt-get update
[23:36] <OerHeks> dontknow, yes, so i get updates too ( answer to your 2nd Q)
[23:36] <eagle_eye> falstaph: lspci -v | grep Ethernet
[23:36] <LittleBallOfHate> Relondo: you'll have to google what packages to install
[23:36] <Relondo> LittleBallOfHate: I'm gonna need you to walk me through that.
[23:37] <LittleBallOfHate> Relondo: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:37] <LittleBallOfHate> Relondo: all the way at the bottom are two lines to uncomment
[23:37] <Relondo> LittleBallOfHate: How do I get to the command line, again?
[23:37] <LittleBallOfHate> Relondo: terminal
[23:37] <LittleBallOfHate> Relondo: or ctrl-alt-f1
[23:37] <OerHeks> !b43
[23:37] <eagle_eye> Relondo: ctrl alt T
[23:38] <Relondo> Thanks
[23:38] <OerHeks> falstaph, sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter firmware-b43-installer ( and reboot)
[23:39] <Relondo> LittleBallOfHate: So how do I enable these restricted extras?
[23:39] <Chuck_Norris> Eszett: is not a tip but... if you see a rocket and you wanna to change that just in "icon=..." write the path where is your icon that you wanna to see insead of the rocket, and... .ico is a good format for icons
[23:39] <LittleBallOfHate> Relondo: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:39] <LittleBallOfHate> Relondo: all the way at the bottom are two lines to uncomment
[23:39] <Relondo> LittleBallOfHate: I don't know what that means.
[23:39] <LittleBallOfHate> Relondo: type that top command
[23:40] <LittleBallOfHate> Relondo: you're editing a config file
[23:40] <t0ntin> n1ckn4me09876543, i'm seeing now what there are files in those partitions. One of them is used by Dell (Dell MediaDirect)
[23:40] <Eszett> Chuck_Norris: you mean use text editor?
[23:40] <Relondo> LittleBallOfHate: I entered that command. But what do you mean by uncomment?
[23:40] <InferiorHuman> LittleBallOfHate, found a guide to bridge modem isp to my router, gonna try it thanks.
[23:40] <Chuck_Norris> ye, to edit "launcher.desktop"
[23:40] <InferiorHuman> LittleBallOfHate, does this make me double nat or no?
[23:41] <eagle_eye> Relondo: edit the sources.list file in the /etc/apt folder and uncomment the last two lines
[23:41] <LittleBallOfHate> Relondo: there are two lines, one starts with "deb" the other starts with "deb-src" there's a section of text above them that talks about restricted extras
[23:41] <n1ckn4me09876543> t0ntin: what's your pc spec?
[23:41] <Lunar_Lander> damn, Firefox 13 now suddenly crashes on facebook
[23:41] <Lunar_Lander> any idea why?
[23:41] <CQN> hi, does anyone know the right video output in smplayer for h.264 hardware decoding? i've got it set to "nv17 video texture" right now, but some online say it should be "vdpau" (an option i don't see available by default)
[23:41] <LittleBallOfHate> InferiorHuman: i would NOT turn that on unless you have the dd-wrt inbetween your modem and pcs
[23:42] <n1ckn4me09876543> t0ntin: are you on 32bit x86  or 64 bit?  how much ram do you have?
[23:42] <Relondo> LittleBallOfHate: I got six lines, and they all start with "deb".
[23:42] <t0ntin> n1ckn4me09876543, core 2 duo, 3gb RAM, 250 GB HD
[23:42] <InferiorHuman> LittleBallOfHate, I do, will bridging the modem router make the dd-wrt handle the internet etc? im a bit confused
[23:42] <eagle_eye> !ot | Lunar_Lander
[23:42] <LittleBallOfHate> Relondo: well "#deb" and "#deb-src"
[23:42] <Lunar_Lander> eagle_eye, this is on ubuntu
[23:42] <LittleBallOfHate> InferiorHuman: yes, exactly
[23:43] <InferiorHuman> LittleBallOfHate, ok cool. gonna go try it
[23:43] <n1ckn4me09876543> t0ntin: see if you can make another partition
[23:43] <t0ntin> n1ckn4me09876543, how big?
[23:43] <Relondo> LittleBallOfHate: You'll have to excuse me; I'm extremely new to Linux, and I really just don't know what you're trying to tell me.
[23:43] <Chuck_Norris> CQN: mplayer -fs -aspect 16:9 -vo gl2 /path/to/video
[23:43] <n1ckn4me09876543> t0ntin: you'll need 2 partition, one for ubuntu,  about 15 gigs  ext3 or ext4,   the other is for swap, about 1-2 gigs
[23:44] <Relondo> LittleBallOfHate: I need specific instructions.
[23:44] <eagle_eye> !repo
[23:44] <LittleBallOfHate> Relondo: those #deb and #deb-src need to be just deb and deb-src. Delete the # in front of them.
[23:44] <t0ntin> n1ckn4me09876543, ok
[23:44] <Lunar_Lander> how can I delete a package?
[23:45] <eagle_eye> !repo | Relondo
[23:45] <LittleBallOfHate> Lunar_Lander: apt-get remove "package" or apt-get --purge remove "package" if you want configs and all gone
[23:45] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[23:45] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[23:45] <Relondo> LittleBallOfHate: #deb and #deb-src are not appearing anywhere.
[23:45] <Lunar_Lander> LittleBallOfHate, with sudo?
[23:46] <LittleBallOfHate> Relondo: huh. you know where to set software sources?
[23:46] <LittleBallOfHate> Lunar_Lander: yup
[23:46] <LittleBallOfHate> Relondo: within X?
[23:46] <Relondo> LittleBallOfHate: Nope. Would the fact that I have not installed Ubuntu, and am just booting off of a flash drive, affect anything?
[23:46] <lappy> Hey everyone.    I mistyped an rm command, and accidentally erased my entire external HDD.  Now, I can replace everything that was on it, but that would be a MAJOR hassle.
[23:47] <LittleBallOfHate> Relondo: hahahahaha. yeah.
[23:47] <eagle_eye> Relondo: no
[23:47] <n1ckn4me09876543> t0ntin: mount point for ubuntu partition is   /               then install
[23:47] <lappy> Is there anyway that I can just recover the files from the drive?
[23:47] <Eszett> lappy: well, first things first, do not edit ANYTHING on the drive
[23:47] <Eszett> no new files at all
[23:47] <Relondo> LittleBallOfHate: He says no and you say  yes. Hm.
[23:47] <n1ckn4me09876543> t0ntin: make sure its the correct partition with file system ext3 or ext4
[23:47] <LittleBallOfHate> lappy: NO WRITES TO DRIVE
[23:47] <lappy> Eszett, I shut it down and unplugged it right away.
[23:47] <Eszett> good.
[23:48] <Eszett> I can't tell you the rest, I only know about how to do it on windows
[23:48] <Lunar_Lander> can it be that updates can get corrupted?
[23:48] <Spec> n1ckn4me09876543: my pc spec?
[23:48] <Relondo> LittleBallOfHate: Anyway, what are the chances of reformatting my drive with the Ubuntu installer wrecking the entire thing? Should I take an image first?
[23:48] <LittleBallOfHate> Relondo: well. /etc/apt/sources.list may be on read only media if temp booting ubuntu
[23:48] <n1ckn4me09876543> Spec: talking to t0ntin
[23:48] <lappy> Eszett, I have a windows 7 partition, if that would help?
[23:48] <LittleBallOfHate> Relondo: always make backups before any major disk operation
[23:48] <t0ntin> n1ckn4me09876543, i'm trying to do it with windows, but haven't figured out how
[23:48] <eagle_eye> Relondo: just do a wubi install
[23:49] <Relondo> eagle_eye: Gross, no thanks.
[23:49] <LittleBallOfHate> Relondo: that being said, I've never toasted a partition with the installer that I didn't want to.
[23:49] <Lunar_Lander> LittleBallOfHate, thanks, firefox doesn't crash now anymore when on facebook, I think it was that failed flashplugin update
[23:49] <n1ckn4me09876543> t0ntin: what do you mean? trying to do what with windows?
[23:49] <t0ntin> n1ckn4me09876543, create the partitions
[23:49] <LittleBallOfHate> Lunar_Lander: also apt-get -f install helps sometimes
[23:50] <Lunar_Lander> what does that do?
[23:50] <Relondo> LittleBallOfHate: I'm not sure how much room I want to give my Ubuntu. Can I resize it later with Ubuntu, or do I need another program  for that? (I know that such programs exist, but they can screw things up).
[23:50] <Chuck_Norris> ye, or aptitude install -f
[23:50] <eagle_eye> Relondo: i suppose you are still new to linux & ubuntu?...minimize risk!
[23:50] <LittleBallOfHate> Relondo: gparted to resize any disks
[23:50] <Chuck_Norris> oh! but... if it about update so, might be GPG keys
[23:50] <lappy> So besides not writing anything on the HDD, does anyone have any suggestions how I could recover my accidentally (and stupidly) deleted files?
[23:50] <Lunar_Lander> LittleBallOfHate, how can I try to install the flashplayer again?
[23:50] <LittleBallOfHate> Relondo: it's pretty safe, but I like to wear my seatbelt so I make backups
[23:51] <escott> !undelete | lappy
[23:51] <Lunar_Lander> sudo apt-get flashplugin-installer?
[23:51] <LittleBallOfHate> Lunar_Lander: sudo apt-get install flashplayer-installer
[23:51] <Relondo> eagle_eye: Yeah, I am new to it, but I know about the reliability issues with Wubi.
[23:51] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[23:51] <LittleBallOfHate> Lunar_Lander: i think that's it anyway
[23:51] <Relondo> LittleBallOfHate: Gparted?
[23:51] <lappy> Excellent, thank you very much for the help!
[23:51] <LittleBallOfHate> Relondo: google gparted. can be booted from usb flash or cd
[23:52] <LittleBallOfHate> Relondo: like the old partition magic software
[23:52] <eagle_eye> Relondo: wubi installs are great and effective
[23:52] <LittleBallOfHate> Relondo: resize, delete and create partitions
[23:52] <lappy> The filesystem was NFTS, so hopefully it will be possible.
[23:52] <Relondo> LittleBallOfHate: Yeah, my dad has partition magic. On a Floppy. (Dear god, floppy drives).
[23:53] <Relondo> eagle_eye: Yes, but the drive bouncing can cause problems, and for the long-term, I'd just rather have a dual-boot.
[23:54] <eagle_eye> Relondo: my advice? do a wubi install, play around with ubuntu, build confidence & then create a physical partition for ubuntu...besides wubi installs a dual boot too!
[23:54] <Lunar_Lander> LittleBallOfHate, YAY I think it failed on the first time at the step where it was to download from archive.canonical.com
[23:55] <Relondo> eagle_eye: Can I install Wubi without having to download anything else?  But it has to download Ubuntu once you start it; I was wondering if, since I already have the standard installation files downloaded, I could somehow avoid another 700 meg download.
[23:57] <eagle_eye> Relondo: there are no short cuts...you must download ubuntu again via the installer
[23:58] <juan_> Relondo: you can certainly download the image and throw it into wubi for install
[23:58] <Relondo> eagle_eye: Alright. Guess I'll have to do that overnight, then.
[23:58] <Relondo> juan_: That's what I'm talking about. How do I do that?
[23:58] <eagle_eye> Relondo: overnight? it takes about 45mins
[23:59] <n1ckn4me09876543> Relondo: like most ppl tell me "stay away from wubi if you can"
[23:59] <n1ckn4me09876543> Relondo: get the iso and put it on a pendrive or a disc and go from there
[23:59] <LittleBallOfHate> Lunar_Lander: what was the error?
[23:59] <Relondo> eagle_eye: My "high-speed" is significantly slower than most.
[23:59] <eagle_eye> ahh


[07:59] <dholbach> good morning
[14:09]  * nigelb pokes vish
[14:10] <vish> nigelb: nope...  no worries , i'll get them to you as sooon as i finish them ;)
[14:10] <nigelb> :D
[14:10] <nigelb> cheese is in sponsors queue btw
[22:38] <jono> folks, did you see http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/03/30/mergimus-making-patch-and-branch-review-easier-in-ubuntu/ ?
[22:38] <jono> I am keen to see if you think this is an interesting idea, and if anyone would be interested in working on it
[22:41] <nhandler> Definitely an interesting idea. I'll start working on it once the LP devs make an easy way for me to use the LP API via Perl
[22:54] <jono> nhandler, Perl!
[22:54] <jono> wow
[22:54] <jono> rock out like it is 1995 :-)
[22:54] <nhandler> :)


[00:40] <kwilliam> tgm4883_laptop: thanks for the reply.  I guess I'll just warn my roommates not to screw it up. ;-)
[00:41] <hads> Yeah, there's no multi-level access at the moment.
[00:42] <kwilliam> Might be a nice idea for the future.
[00:43] <kwilliam> Split up into 3 levels: Read only (e.g. see lineup and watch streaming vids), Schedule recordings, and Full Admin screw-it-up ability. :-)
[00:43] <kwilliam> (As a suggestion)
[00:44] <hads> I'm sure it's been suggested before, there's a feature request page on the mythtv wiki
[00:46] <kwilliam> I'll wait till I've had MythTV running for a while before I go making feature requests.  I like to get my bearings so I A) know wth I'm talking about and B) don't suggest things that either already exist or are already planned.
[00:46] <hads> :)
[01:07] <tgm4883_laptop> kwilliam, hads IIRC, it can't be done because of the way mythweb works
[01:07] <tgm4883_laptop> i've asked before in mythtv-users
[01:08] <hads> Yeah, from my memory of the code it would take a substatial re-write to enable multiple access levels.
[01:08] <hads> As it stands mythweb doesn't have any knowledge of users at all.
[01:08] <kwilliam> hm.  Well, that gives us something to look forward too at some point if they do a substantial rewrite
[01:36] <squish102> does any1 have a usb ir receiver and can tell me if they can 'cat /proc/bus/usb/devices
[01:36] <squish102> and get any results
[02:17] <a1fa> what is the easiest way to find out whats my mythtv db password?
[02:42] <tgm4883_laptop> a1fa, look in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt
[02:42] <a1fa> i got it
[02:42] <a1fa> i am trying to connect my xbmc to it now
[02:42] <a1fa> my video card exploded
[02:45] <tgm4883_laptop> a1fa, natively or using the xbmc plugin?
[02:45] <a1fa> natively
[02:45] <a1fa> oh.. there is a special plugin for mythtv?
[02:45] <a1fa> i thought it was built in
[02:47] <tgm4883_laptop> a1fa, it is built in now
[02:47] <tgm4883_laptop> it used to be by plugin
[02:47] <a1fa> y
[02:48] <a1fa> u think my url was wrong
[02:48] <a1fa> i had mythtv://
[02:48] <a1fa> instead myth://
[02:48] <tgm4883_laptop> I have no idea, I didn't even know you had a problem
[02:59] <squish102> i am having such a problem with lirc in 8.04 :(
[03:02] <a1fa> hehe
[03:02] <a1fa> i get list of shows but no playback
[05:09] <pteague> where do i go to find a list of my series that i'm recording?
[05:14] <pteague> nm
[06:32] <rcampbel> I think I have found a mythbuntu-specific bug - screensaver comes back on in mythgame after $DELAY because joypad doesn't trigger mouse or keyboard events. Guessing mythbuntu needs a patch for mythgame
[06:34] <rcampbel> last time I checked - the gnome screensaver disable patch hadn't been accepted by mythtv devs in trunk... has that changed?
[06:36] <foxbuntu> rcampbel, I dont know, but check with the mythtv devs/bug track ect they will prob be able to tell you if nothing else report the bug in LP and we can route/deal with it appropriately
[12:24] <ThatOtherGuy> My PVR_150 irblaster/receiver combo is giving me endless amounts of shit and fail. Gogo ordering a serial blaster >_>
[12:32] <squish102> ThatOtherGuy is that with 8.04?
[12:33] <ThatOtherGuy> Yea
[12:33] <ThatOtherGuy> Can get the remote to work but as soon as I set up the blaster, it stops
[12:34] <ThatOtherGuy> even if I tell it not to load the lirc-pvr150 module and stick with the i2c, or visaversa
[12:34] <squish102> ive had endless shit and fail with multiple usb ir receivers since going to 8.04
[12:34] <ThatOtherGuy> this is the old standard 150, not the mce - no USB anything
[12:42] <ThatOtherGuy> from what I can find on the intarwebs, nobody can coax anything but endless shit and fail out of the pvr-150 non-mce
[12:44] <laga> squish102: we didnt see a bug report from that
[12:45] <laga> where "we" is the ubuntu guys ;)
[12:57] <squish102> laga i would not know how to report a bug, as all I am doing is following a myth wiki page and i get to the point of running an irw and get nothing
[12:57] <squish102> can i report a bug with those details?
[12:58] <squish102> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Snapstream_firefly_mini < that is the page i was following
[12:58] <squish102> and it all worked before the upgrade, and even with a fresh install of 8.04 i cannot get it to work
[12:59] <squish102> everything works up until: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Snapstream_firefly_mini#Configure_lirc the part about irw
[13:05] <laga> squish102: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lirc - include what you did, why you think it shouldn't work, if it worked before with the same config etc
[13:09] <squish102> laga, im going to try a live cd with 7.10 to confirm that it works 100%
[13:09] <squish102> (although from googling, i think i will be doing what many people have done before)
[13:10] <squish102> thanks for the link, i will try create something meaningful
[13:10] <squish102> without recompiling the latest lirc so that i can put in debug mode to figure out
[13:18] <squish102> although for a different remote, i may try this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lirc/+bug/204960
[14:58] <tearor> is it possible to use something different than nvram wakeup in mythwelcome? i use /proc/acpi/alarm (although it's an newer kernel) but the mythtv-mythwelcome-wiki has only information about nvram-wakeup
[15:13] <SMut> Moin!
[15:14] <SMut> Anybody in the mood to give some advice?
[15:14] <SMut> I set up mythbuntu 8.04 on a 64 bit machine.
[15:15] <SMut> Used DVB-S Device is a Terratec cinergy 1200 DVB-S
[15:15] <SMut> I already scanned some channels, filled the database.
[15:16] <SMut> Backend seems to be okay, but:
[15:16] <SMut> When I am using the frontend, DVDs play fine, but I can't watch TV.
[15:17] <SMut> When I press on the button, the screen goes black for a second and bounces back to the menu.
[15:17] <SMut> Any hints what I've missed during setup?
[15:17] <SMut> ...
[15:19] <SMut> by the way, /var/log/messages shows nothing.
[15:34] <jphillip> !blankscreen | SMut
[15:34] <Zinn> SMut: If you try to watch tv and are greeted with a blank screen and a return to the menu then please check the permissions on your recording directory.  It should be owned by mythtv:mythtv, have permissions of 775, and not be inside your home directory
[15:46] <SMut> Zinn: I'll check this.
[15:48] <tearor> i don't get the part in the mythtv-mythwelcom wiki about mythshutdown with acpi. i configured the backend to use mythshutdown. then i put the echo $time > /porc/acpi/alarm command into the mythwelcome settings
[15:48] <tearor> but in the wiki it says mythshutdown only uses time_t
[15:48] <SMut> Zinn: you made my day :-)
[15:49] <tearor> i can't find a script to change time_t into utc
[15:51] <tearor> and the "--settime <time_t>"-line, where do i have to insert it? after the echo $time > /proc/acpi/alarm command?
[16:11] <jphillip> SMut Zinn is a bot, but your welcome :)
[16:16] <tim__> i need to record 400+ cctv security cameras simultaneously.  Is myth a good match for this need?  if so... does it support recording mpeg4 streams from IP cameras?  is there a more appropriate software package for my need? thanks
[16:24] <squish102> tim__ did you look at http://www.zoneminder.com/ ?
[16:28] <tim__> squish: i hadn't looked at it.  do you think that's more appropriate?
[16:32] <tim__> squish:  just looked it up.... it claims to NOT support mpeg streams
[16:44] <squish102> tim__ i thought i read that the network cameras supported mpeg streaming
[16:46] <squish102> Supports live video in mpeg video, multi-part jpeg and stills formats.
[16:51] <tim__> squish:  where did u find that?  Here's what I found under their "to do"... Support mpeg video as an input. This is easy to pick up if it’s a tcp stream, but a bit more of a pain if it’s over udp
[16:54] <squish102> tim__ i have never tried getting network camera's running on zoneminder, why not try join #zoneminder, i'm sure you will get more help there
[16:58] <tim__> thanks much.
[17:03] <MythbuntuGuest00> hi..i havea  problem with my mythbuntu configuration..i added it to an existing ubuntu 8.04 system and it automatically installed just the frontend set..now i tried to install a backend on that system cause i wanted both frontend and backend and i encountered some issues regarding to the mysql database or backend application..i can figure out what's happening
[17:03] <MythbuntuGuest00> *can't
[17:04] <MythbuntuGuest00> i run the mythtv-setup application but it's like mysql server is down
[17:05] <MythbuntuGuest00> anyone can help me?
[17:06] <EgonOn> is the mythbuntu mythtv-backend able to run "sudo-commands"?
[17:06] <EgonOn> i mean without needing the password
[17:07] <EgonOn> i'm asking this becaue i want to find out if sudo halt -p in the backend setup works...
[17:08] <EgonOn> trying to setup mythtv to shutdown instead of idleing
[18:23] <SMut> where do the cover pictures for videos reside inside mythbuntu?
[18:24] <SMut> the path for videos seems to be /var/lib/mythtv/videos
[18:31] <tgm4883_laptop> SMut, in ~/.mythtv/MythVideos
[18:31] <tgm4883_laptop> maybe in covers/ inside of that
[21:43] <tim__> myth can't get channel info from my m3u.  how do I define the channel in an m3u file?


[16:37] <Suoni> hi everyone
[16:37] <Suoni> i seem to have lost my ubuntustudio desktop at logon. Any idea how to retrieve it? Tx
[17:48] <DarkEra> anyone else having issues with 13.04 Beta 2 and installing the nVidia driver?
[17:54] <DarkEra> also arandr doesn't start
[17:54] <zequence> DarkEra: What kind of issues installing the driver?
[17:55] <zequence> DarkEra: Currently, there's a bug with the headers. Installing the generic headers should do the trick, however the bug is fixed on the next kernel update
[17:56] <DarkEra> i installed it through the Software Sources Additional Drivers Tab as you told me on G+ but after the reboot it's a low resolution.
[17:56] <DarkEra> Oh i see, so it's best to wait for the kernel update then
[17:57] <zequence> DarkEra: If the drivers were installed, then it worked
[17:58] <zequence> DarkEra: Do you see the nvidia module, if you do: lsmod | grep nvidia
[17:58] <DarkEra> xorg.conf isn't created though and the nvidia-settings say that the driver isn't in use
[17:58] <DarkEra> sorry, not a fast typer :)
[17:58] <zequence> xorg.conf isn't created by default. Only if you adjust nvidia-settings, and save thenm
[17:59] <zequence> Well, ok, so there seems to be a problem with the drivers then
[17:59] <zequence> Make sure you are booted into linux-lowlatency when you install drivers, and you could try a few options
[18:01] <DarkEra> i guess so, hold on. I'm going to boot into the beta 2. Will be back in a few and post the outcome of lsmod | grep nvidia
[18:05] <DarkEra> zequence, well... lsmod | grep nvidia doesn't return anything
[18:09] <DarkEra> i'm going to uninstall the nvidia stuff and switch back to nouveau for now. will be back later
[19:59] <DarkEra> did a new install because the whole resolution was messed up on the Beta 2. Using Nouveau for now. Arandr still won't start and QJackCtl is in German instead of English (US)
[20:02] <DarkEra> want me to report that on Launchpad?
[22:39] <jnbek> DarkEra: that seems like the best idea
[22:39] <DarkEra> jnbek, already done so :)
[23:26] <Len-live> Testing daily for arandr and language in qjackctl. Both work in live session (32 bit ISO/machine)
[23:34] <GridCube> Len-live, care to do a silly test for me and see if qjackctl works if you are already playing some sound using pulseaudio?
[23:35] <Len-live> Live or after install? So far it has worked well for me.
[23:36] <Len-live> Hmm, ubiquity is being a pig on me.
[23:38] <DarkEra> i'm running the 13.04 beta 2 64bit and discovered that Hydrogen, MuseScore and LMMS start up in German instead of English. I added that on Launchpad in a comment. Kinda weird since i use English
[23:38] <Len-live> GridCube, ok running pulse with audio.
[23:38] <Len-live> DarkEra, What part of the world are you in?
[23:38] <DarkEra> Belgium
[23:39] <smartboyhw> Maybe locale issues..
[23:39] <Len-live> It may have selected german for you on install. I get Canadian english
[23:39] <Len-live> Even though I don't try to.
[23:40] <DarkEra> the rest of the system and programs are in English
[23:40] <Len-live> Wonderful. The bug report should go against ubiquity then.
[23:41] <DarkEra> smartboyhw, could that cause the trouble in the Audio Production section?
[23:41] <smartboyhw> probably.
[23:42] <DarkEra> i know it's still Beta but i like to help out testing, kinda love it
[23:42] <Len-live> GridCube, Starting and stopping jack via qjackctl sound smoothly transfers audio from one to the other with just a slight pause.
[23:45] <Len-live> GridCube, The first time I switch to jack I have to go to pavucontrol manually switch the stream to jacksink and set jack as default, but after that it figures out where the stream should go on it's own
[23:45] <DarkEra> i found one plus point, using Zynaddsubfx with Jack works much better. I mean the sound isn't crackling anymore, very smooth if you know what i mean, compared to the 12.04
[23:52] <GridCube> Len-nb, thanks
[23:55] <SonikkuAmerica> DarkEra: You looking to beta-test? Just get the 13.04 ISO and install it or run [ do-release-upgrade -d ]
[23:56] <DarkEra> SonikkuAmerica, i will look into that soon. Thanks
[23:56] <DarkEra> brb, reboot, got new updates


[03:17] <Techie> does the latest mythbuntu have a kernel module for rtl2832u
[03:17] <Techie> it should be dvb-usb-rtl2832u
[21:54] <XDS2010_> Question: How can i get windows to save their positions ?, For instance with chromium. In mbubuntu 11.10 windows always snap to the far left or far right but never come back in the same position I closed them in.  I have tried using compiz 's CCSM window rule manager however that did not help at all.