[13:56] <natorious> morning
[14:02] <Odd_Bloke> o/
[14:03] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: claudiupopa: harmw: harlowja: Around?
[14:03] <smoser> hey!
[14:04] <smoser> so.. i'm sprinting right now, so had kind of expected no meeting today, and kind of said that last week.
[14:04] <smoser> that said... i'm here. whats up Odd_Bloke
[14:04] <Odd_Bloke> Oh, I must have missed the "no meeting" last week.
[14:04] <Odd_Bloke> *the "no meeting" comment
[14:04] <smoser> how goes life, Odd_Bloke
[14:05] <Odd_Bloke> Life is pretty good, thanks.
[14:05] <Odd_Bloke> The work that we were aiming to land for wily has been pushed to the start of the x cycle, so I should be able to get back to devoting time to cloud-init 2.0. \o/
[14:05] <smoser> hey, good.
[14:05] <smoser> so then.
[14:06] <Odd_Bloke> So I'll revisit that taskflow change this week.
[14:06] <smoser> we have lots of work to do :)
[14:06] <smoser> i looked at deps on taskflow...
[14:06] <smoser> very many
[14:07] <Odd_Bloke> We discussed that before, harlowja says that a lot of those are only needed for specific functionality.
[14:08] <Odd_Bloke> So could be changed to Recommends/Suggests (albeit with some work to ensure that they were only imported when needed).
[14:08] <natorious> I'd figured no one would be here too :)
[14:08] <smoser> alright. thats the biggest thing though.
[14:08] <smoser> is just dependencies.
[14:09] <smoser> i talked with someone last night who was lamenting the io that bringing up cloud-init on boot does.
[14:09] <smoser> and having a huge stack of dependencies isn't going to help that.
[14:09] <natorious> could have used some taskflow f/ configdrive for sure
[14:09] <smoser> so i really have a goal of keeping the list of non-standard-library very small.
[14:10] <Odd_Bloke> If we're worried about IO/startup time, why are we (still) using Python? :p
[14:11] <smoser> thats a fair point.
[14:13] <Odd_Bloke> Also, compared to a single call out to the network, I doubt I/O is actually that big a deal.
[14:14] <Odd_Bloke> (Unless we're talking about I/O on a "hard drive" that's actually over the network, which shouldn't be the case for anything cloud-init is running from)
[14:15] <openstackgerrit> Nate House proposed stackforge/cloud-init: [WIP] Adds ConfigDrive datasource.  Throwing this out there for some initial feedback.  https://review.openstack.org/234805
[14:15] <natorious> \o/
[14:16] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, well, this particular user was suggesting that just bringing up cloud-init was a significant cost.
[14:16] <smoser> but yeah, i told him too that there are likely other reasons (some of them designed) that we are slowing down boot.
[14:17] <smoser> ie, cloud-init is enforcing bottlenecks in boot by design so that it can allow user to insert actions at those points.
[14:18] <natorious> it could have been like one of the devs from the go fork CoreOS uses trolling
[14:20] <natorious> smoser: I hadn't added any tests for that ^^ yet.  Looking to see how far off base I'd ventured beforehand
[14:20] <Odd_Bloke> This is a difficult conversation to have without benchmarks.
[14:20] <smoser> it is indeed.
[14:20] <smoser> i do want to have benchmarks.
[14:20] <Odd_Bloke> Or, indeed, targets for those benchmarks.
[14:20] <smoser> yeah.
[14:22] <Odd_Bloke> And, to some extent, we run in to a features vs. speed problem.
[14:37] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Unrelatedly, is looking for system_info/default_user/name in ssh-keygen -f "/home/daniel/.ssh/known_hosts" -R <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:37] <Odd_Bloke> FFS.
[14:37] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Unrelatedly, is looking for system_info/default_user/name in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg a safe way for third-party software to determine the default username?
[14:37] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Or is there a better cloud-init-provided place to look?
[15:57] <openstackgerrit> Nate House proposed stackforge/cloud-init: [WIP] Adds ConfigDrive datasource.  Throwing this out there for some initial feedback.  https://review.openstack.org/234857
[16:05] <smoser> harlowja, in cloud-init 0.7.x what is the command to generate the rtd stuff ?
[16:06] <smoser> ie, if we want to render that outside of readthedocs
[21:27] <Diplomat> Hello! I have a quick question. Does anyone know how to set that password "adminPass" that OpenStack generates as root password?


[00:08] <ryan_> fajita: wtf
[00:11] <ryan_> wrong room
[01:52] <zul> hallyn: slacker ;)
[01:59] <droogie> i've created a kvm image using vmbuilder. After the image got created I added a new lvm volume for it. Now I'm trying to convert the .qcow2 image to that blockdevice using 'qemu-img convert -O raw input.cqow2 /dev/vg/lv' and qemu throws an error: qemu-img: Error while formatting '/dev/vg/lv', anybody got any suggestion?
[02:07] <ball> Is /dev/random faster on platforms with hardware RNGs that the kernel understands?
[02:10] <ball> 23158 bytes (23 kB) copied, 43186.7 s, 0.0 kB/s
[02:13] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, well, i suppose ideally both.
[02:13] <smoser> if you have some "profile" or some way that I indicate "this is a uec image", then you can easily do both. i don't mind if i have to say "--uec" or the equivalent.
[02:27] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: I was thinking exaclty on the same thing. THe other way is to do a 'file uec.img' and determine if it is a UEC image, if all offcourse have the same output
[02:29] <smoser> i dont really care about auto determining.
[02:29] <smoser> i dont mind passing an arg that indicates what it is.
[02:29] <smoser> later you can get smarter
[02:30] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: yeah at the end it is just tweaking. Either way, it will work.
[02:51] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, i'm going to be out tomorrow. send email to me if you need anything.
[02:51] <smoser> thanks for your work, and great job.
[02:51] <smoser> if i can nit-pick, then one thing i would really like to see is to do time stamp detection on the .img and -floppy files being newer than the tarfile
[02:52] <smoser> since you're using qemu-img backing store, you could then avoid the 'tar -Sxvzf' again, which is time consuming.
[02:52] <smoser> but... anyway. thanks.
[02:54]  * ball unplugs a hard disk, just to see what happens.
[03:03] <hallyn> zul: huh?
[03:04] <itsux2bu> when i installed 32-bit Ubuntu Server 10.04  it gave me the option to install LAMP, OpenSSH, and Samba.. but i didn't install them at the time.. i want to install them now.. whats the apt-get install ???
[03:04] <itsux2bu> for those 3 programs
[03:10] <ball> Very sensibly the software RAID warned me about the failure and offered to run in degraded mode.
[03:13] <YankDownUnder> Anyone familiar with Dynamic DNS...?
[03:51] <vibedigital> hi
[03:52] <vibedigital> i want install truecrypt in ubuntu-server 10.04 how the right way ?
[04:15] <slestak> hey guys.  got a racing /sbin/getty i cannot explain.  killed it and another pid spun up using same cpu
[04:16] <slestak> lucid server 10.4.1 on intel (older hp server)
[04:17] <slestak> id rahter troubleshoot this and learn sth.  dont want to reboot
[04:31] <itsux2bu> anybody know where phpmyadmin puts its files after an install?
[04:41] <funkyHat> itsux2bu: dpkg -L phpmyadmin probably knows
[05:00] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: that's what I was trying to do too actually, however IDK why, the tarball keeps newer timestamp. I'll just figure it out overtime anyways
[05:16] <itsux2bu> i find them..
[05:17] <itsux2bu> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/phpMyAdmin  <<-- this actually had useful info for a change
[05:17] <itsux2bu> made 1 file edit and now i see my phpmyadmin in my browser
[05:18] <itsux2bu> nice when something doesn't take hours and hours to get working
[05:46] <sailerboy> what's a good web server for ubuntu on a vps?
[05:48] <lifeless> 10.04
[05:57] <collabra> I've a question.... does the 9.04 ubuntu-server include all the packages the desktop version does?
[05:57] <sailerboy> no
[05:57] <collabra> thank you,... i thought not
[05:57] <sailerboy> it doesnt include a desktop enviroment
[05:57] <sailerboy> afaik
[05:58] <lifeless> sailerboy: collabra: server *CD* does not include desktop packages.
[05:58] <lifeless> you can however install them with apt-get
[05:58] <lifeless> at which point it becomes the same thing
[05:59] <collabra> thanks,.. i just got banned from #ubuntu because i said the same thing.
[05:59] <sailerboy> really?
[05:59] <collabra> yeah
[05:59] <lifeless> that seems like an overreaction
[06:00] <collabra> extreme overreaction,... i was firm and blunt ,... no language or anything,...
[06:01] <collabra> but he kept instisting and i kept firm,.. and "boot",.. anyways ,... thanks for the affirm
[06:02] <JasonMSP> Anyone have a best solution for providing FTP access for my clients?  I want to lock them into their var/www/theirwebsite folder with no possible access anywhere else on the system.  Preferbally secure connection if possible.
[06:38] <ball> hello chilicuil
[06:38] <zenmower> make a symlink in their home directory
[06:59] <ball> Well, that's my latest batch of tests done.
[07:32] <alex88> twb: hi man..
[07:32] <alex88> i've got fine to run apache in chroot..but not the php script
[07:33] <twb> I don't really care.
[07:33] <alex88> k
[07:34] <alex88> it was a way to ask for help :)
[07:35] <intelliant> [12:03] <intelliant> Hello! [12:03] <intelliant> Is this a good place to discuss ldap client auth issues/ [12:03] <intelliant> ? [12:04] <intelliant> I am authenticating an ubuntu LTS 10.04 desktop client against a centos based openLDAP server following this guide - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LDAPClientAuthentication#Notes%20for%207.10%20and%20later
[07:36] <intelliant> hey! sorry for the copy/paste ^^ ? but i hope the request is understood ?
[07:41] <twb> intelliant: and what isn't working?
[07:42] <intelliant> twb: the client authentication throws me out randomly
[07:42] <intelliant> I was doing this for an ltsp-cluster setup on 10.04
[07:42] <twb> "randomly" as in it works sometime?
[07:42] <intelliant> yes it did work once 4 days ago and yesterday again it kept on dying on me
[07:42] <intelliant> i did nt change a thing
[07:43] <intelliant> even the package db seemed to be broken for some reason so I have actually trashed the entire setup and am starting anew
[07:44] <intelliant> wanted to know if the link above was the correct method to do client auth
[07:44] <intelliant> or is there a better and proven way
[07:44] <intelliant> ?
[07:44] <twb> client auth should simply be "sudo aptitude install ldap-auth-client"
[07:44] <intelliant> okay will try this as well this time and keep you posted
[07:45] <twb> The pam part is automatic as of 10.04
[07:45] <intelliant> twb: what's your timezone ?
[07:45] <twb> The nss part would still need to be done by auth-client-config(8), so I guess you'd also need to call it.
[07:45] <twb> intelliant: Australia/Melbourne.
[07:45] <intelliant> phew so only a few more hrs
[07:48] <intelliant> twb: i am a complete novice at ubuntu but may call myself a medium hand at linux and opensuse
[07:49] <intelliant> twb: so should i make the changes to  /etc/auth-client-config/profile.d/open_ldap  and then execute  auth-client-config -a -p open_ldap
[07:49] <intelliant> or do something differently?
[07:49] <twb> intelliant: you're using 10.04?
[07:50] <intelliant> yes
[07:50] <twb> OK, what I do is:
[07:51] <twb> 1) Install ldap-auth-config and ldap-utils; 2) run "auth-client-config -plac_ldap -tnss"; 3) add "bind_policy soft" and "pam_lookup_policy yes" to /etc/ldap.conf
[07:51] <intelliant> and using server edition for installing ltsp-root server and alternate for appserver as per https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSP-Cluster
[07:51] <twb> You only need (3) if you're using slapo-ppolicy(5) on the LDAP server.
[07:52] <intelliant> any changes in /etc/ldap/ldap.conf ?
[07:52] <intelliant> I am not using SSL, TLS etc as of now
[07:53] <twb> intelliant: those are the only changes I make to the client
[07:53] <twb> Installing ldap-auth-config should automatically configure ldap.conf and .secret
[07:55] <intelliant> twb: thanks for sharing your notes and guidance
[07:55] <intelliant> I shall revert with my results
[07:55] <twb> If you can, you should also update that documentation page you were reading
[07:56] <intelliant> yes, once i achieve success, will do so, till now I am only confused by all the random results
[08:11] <cemc> hey guys. I have problems installing a 10.04.1 amd64 server on a HP ProLiant DL385 G6
[08:12] <cemc> I'm using an usb stick which I created with the Startup Disk creator from another 10.04 desktop install
[08:12] <cemc> the server has 3xHDDs in RAID5, so ubuntu sees one sda. I boot from the usb stick, install ubuntu, everything seems fine
[08:13] <cemc> (nothing fancy, / partition, some swap and /opt). then I reboot, remove the usb, but the server won't boot, it's just "Attempting Boot from Harddisk", that's it
[08:15] <twb> shred -v is pretty cool
[08:15] <twb> Pity it's totally useless with a modern filesystem
[08:15] <cemc> then I go erase and recreate the raid5 from the controller menu. If I reboot, it goes on trying to boot from hdd, floppy, network, then reboots and tries again. that's all fine. but then, I try to boot from the stick again and it gives me error: no such dev: (UUID),
[08:15] <cemc> and I get a grub rescue> prompt
[08:15] <twb> cemc: I bet you've managed to install grub onto the USB key
[08:16] <twb> cemc: this is basically caused by grub2 being utterly evil and broken and retarded and I hate it
[08:16] <raywang> hello all, how to install posfix without further postinst? e.g. ignore the configuration stage when installing it
[08:16] <twb> What I do now, is load the installer into memory, then physically remove the USB key before partman starts, so that grub *can't* see the USB key and confuse it with the hard disk
[08:17] <cemc> twb: and how do you do that? the machine has 16gb ram, so that would be ok I guess
[08:17] <twb> Of course, this is only possible if you're using the netboot installer; the hd installers that want an .iso won't work because they need the .iso to stay visible
[08:17] <twb> cemc: loading the neboot media into memory only needs 16MB
[08:18] <cemc> twb: I see, but how exactly? what do I put on the usb? never did this before, only with normal iso on the usb stick
[08:18] <twb> You put these on: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ubuntu-installer/amd64/{linux,initrd.gz}
[08:19] <twb> Then you point whatever bootloader you have on your USB key at them
[08:26] <raywang> hi, all I was trying to install posfix without further postinst , so i append --pending, like dpkg -i --pending postfix.deb  but with no luck
[08:28] <cemc> twb: I don't need anything else on the stick, just these two files and syslinux.cfg ?
[08:28] <twb> cemc: well, and sylinux' ld.linux
[08:28] <cemc> sure, that too
[08:28] <twb> But yeah, that's all
[08:29] <twb> That basically contains enough to get the network working, and then everything else comes down from the networ
[08:29] <cemc> twb: and when do I pull out the usb stick?
[08:29] <twb> As soon as the kernel and ramdisk finish loading, you can pull it out
[08:43] <Jordan_U> twb: This bug has nothing to do with grub2, it's a bug in debian-installer which existed with grub legacy as well (which has finally been fixed in debian testing/unstable and Ubuntu Maverick).
[08:44] <Jordan_U> twb: When you get to the last screen of the installer there is a button labeled "advanced". Click that button and select the proper device for grub to be installed to.
[08:44] <Jordan_U> cemc: ^^
[08:46] <cemc> Jordan_U: yeah, I could've think of that myself... but I didn't think it's a grub thing. now I installed with twb's method, and it seems to work just fine. but just for the fun of it, I'll try that advanced thing
[08:46] <cemc> I guess it prefers sda over /dev/cciss/c0d0 ;)
[08:53] <twb> Jordan_U: I see no tab in d-i, booting with priority=low.
[08:53] <twb> Jordan_U: are you confusing d-i with ubiquity?
[08:54] <twb> (Indeed, IIRC without priority=low, it doesn't even prompt to install grub, it just does it.)
[08:54] <Jordan_U> twb: Yes and no. The bug is in debian-installer code which is shared in ubiquity but the "advanced" button is only in ubiquity :)
[08:54] <cemc> twb: it did ask me, I didn't use priority=low (whatever that is)
[08:55] <twb> Well, this is -server, so we don't have access to ubiquity.
[08:55] <Jordan_U> twb: Trying to figure out how to do the same from d-i right now.
[08:55] <twb> The real problem is that device.map changes after you remove the USB key.
[08:56] <twb> Because the BIOS temporarily places the USB key at (hd0) to boot the installer
[08:56] <Jordan_U> twb: No, that's not the real problem.
[08:56] <twb> If you say so
[08:56] <cemc> but _something_ gets installed on the hdd too
[08:56] <twb> cemc: I assume the stage2 does
[08:57] <cemc> could be
[09:00] <cemc> twb: but your way worked too, with the netboot thing. thanks!
[09:07] <intelliant> twb: ssh server does not get installed by default while installing the server
[09:07] <intelliant> choosing expert mode may allow me to choose but is there any other way after installaiton
[09:11] <Jordan_U> cemc: I can't find a way to change what device grub is installed to from the server installer, which is unfortunate even without this bug. twb's method might be the only way to work around this bug currently with a server install.
[09:21] <cemc> Jordan_U: I see, not really a problem here. Besides, this netboot install is kinda faster for me, I think
[09:21] <cemc> intelliant: apt-get install openssh-server ?
[09:22] <RudyValencia> How do I setup an identd for IRC?
[09:22] <RudyValencia> !identd
[09:23] <pnunn> Hi guys, got a bit of an issue with virtual ip's on an interface.  My interfaces file looks like this
[09:23] <pnunn> # The primary network interface
[09:23] <pnunn> auto eth0
[09:23] <pnunn> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[09:23] <pnunn> auto eth0:1
[09:23] <pnunn> iface eth0:1 inet static
[09:23] <pnunn> address <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:23] <pnunn> netmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:23] <pnunn> gateway <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:23] <pnunn> but when I do an ifup I get
[09:23] <pnunn> Listening on LPF/eth0/d0:0d:42:20:07:96
[09:23] <pnunn> Sending on   LPF/eth0/d0:0d:42:20:07:96
[09:23] <pnunn> Sending on   Socket/fallback
[09:23] <pnunn> DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67 interval 4
[09:23] <pnunn> DHCPOFFER of <IP_ADDRESS> from <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:23] <pnunn> DHCPREQUEST of <IP_ADDRESS> on eth0 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67
[09:23] <pnunn> DHCPACK of <IP_ADDRESS> from <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:23] <pnunn> bound to <IP_ADDRESS> -- renewal in 539 seconds.
[09:24] <pnunn> stop: Unknown instance:
[09:24] <pnunn> ssh start/running, process 2386
[09:24] <pnunn> SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address
[09:24] <pnunn> Failed to bring up eth0:1.
[09:24] <pnunn> However, ifconfig shows the interface existing and I can ping it.
[09:24] <pnunn> However, I can't ssh into it for some reason.. from the logs it seems I'm not even hitting it.
[09:24] <pnunn> Any ideas?
[09:25] <cemc> pnunn: first idea: use pastebin ;)
[09:25] <_ruben> joy .. my ubuntu vm (running in vmplayer) has decided to kernel oops on boot with some ext4 error
[09:25] <pnunn> oh.. sorry.. don't know what that is even.. lol.
[09:26] <cemc> pnunn: if you have something to show that's more than 1-2 lines long, use this http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/, then paste only the link here
[09:26] <pnunn> cemc: OK, I'll keep that in mind... ta.
[09:27] <cemc> np
[09:27] <intelliant> cemc: remeber having tried that earlier
[09:27] <intelliant> will try that again and revert
[09:28] <intelliant> also installing ubuntu-server 64-bit as a kvm vm on opensuse host, any special cosiderations?
[09:31] <RudyValencia> How do I setup an identd for IRC on my Ubuntu server?
[09:34] <joschi> RudyValencia: install oidentd and configure it
[09:34] <joschi> RudyValencia: alternatives: http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/ident-server
[09:34] <RudyValencia> I have oidentd set up but I'm not sure how to configure it to respond to IRC servers' ident queries
[09:35] <RudyValencia> I can't figure out which settings to apply to it
[09:40] <cemc> if I don't have internet connection, squid fails to start with some DNS test failing. how could I disable that test so squid starts no matter what? I understand there's a -D option, but where should I set that?
[10:08] <soren> Man, debugging capabilities stuff /sucks/.
[10:10] <soren> I must have spent 4 hours wondering why the heck uml would open a file read-write just fine if run from the command line, but only read-write from libvirt.
[10:11] <soren> Turns out libvirt sheds all CAPs and file was owned by someuser:nogroup with mode 640, so root could only open it for reading.
[10:11] <soren> Er... someuser:root, I mean.
[10:16] <garymc> Hi im trying to tell my PoE switch to check my NTP server for time settings. How do I know what my NTP server settings are. I know the IP address but I dont know if its DNS or IPv4 etc
[10:16] <garymc> and what port it uses
[10:16] <soren> If you know the ip, you also know whether it's ipv4 or ipv6.
[10:17] <soren> "Whether it's DNS" makes no sense.
[10:17] <soren> As for the port, it seems unlikely that you changed the default, so that'd be 123.
[10:34] <a_ok> where can I find documentation for all things allowed in the upstart configuration?
[10:35] <joschi> a_ok: `man 5 init`
[10:40] <a_ok> joschi: thanks. i'm writing an upstart conf for iptables. the task stranza seems what I need but than I can not define a stop command
[10:48] <twb> a_ok: just install iptables-persistent
[10:49] <a_ok> twb: won't do in my case need custom stuff
[10:49] <twb> if you say so
[10:50] <a_ok> persistent cant load from a config file at a user defined location
[10:50] <ewook> anyone tried out Zimbra ?
[10:50] <twb> a_ok: just symlink it
[10:50] <twb> Or edit the init.d/iptables-persistent script; it's a conffile, so that's allowed
[10:51] <a_ok> twb: I already made an normal init.d script just wanted to see if I could do it the ubuntu way and make an upstart job out of it
[10:52] <twb> a_ok: what you'd do would be to write two upstart "task" jobs, one for up and one for down
[10:52] <twb> And trigger the latter "start on shutdown" or something
[10:54] <a_ok> twb: the think i wanted to do was "service iptables start" to load the rules and "service iptables stop" to flush the rules. I can make one or the other work but not both :(
[10:55] <twb> I'm amazingly unenthusiastic about upstart
[10:57] <xampart> i have /export as nfs-share. i did "mount --bind /some/other /export/dir", but it doesn't show at remote host
[10:58] <twb> xampart: unfortunately the NFS server is implemented in the kernel, and thus doesn't understand most other filesystem things
[10:58] <twb> xampart: you can either give up on that, or switch to the (slow, sucky) userspace NFS server.
[10:59] <garymc> soren ok, im just going off what my netgear switch options gives me.
[10:59] <xampart> so ext4 is the problem? cause my other (mount --rbind /home/%u/Maildir /export/mail/%u/Maildir) mount works
[11:00] <garymc> is there a way of checking the port is 123 as thats what I set in my PoE switch but it isnt registering a time stamp
[11:00] <twb> No, the problem is the NFS kernel server
[11:01] <xampart> why does my other mount work though?
[11:01] <twb> Because it's not a bind mount?
[11:01] <xampart> yes it is
[11:01] <twb> Hum, maybe you only need to rerun "exportfs", then
[11:02] <twb> I can't remember which specific bits NFS doesn't grok
[11:06] <xampart> i think it gets run every time nfs-kernel-server gets started
[11:06] <twb> Well, it gets magicked at boot
[11:06] <twb> But if you just now ran "mount -obind", you should rerun it
[11:07] <twb> Historically NFS exports only filesystems, not arbitrary directory trees, so you probably want an -r in there, too.
[11:10] <xampart> didn't do the trick
[11:10] <garymc> ok whats the differnce between NTP and SNTP?
[11:11] <xampart> it's simple?
[11:47] <a_ok> how do I list all services that are started for a sertain runlevel?
[11:48] <xampart> ls /etc/rc?.d/ | grep ^S
[11:48] <xampart> ? = leveel
[11:51] <a_ok> xampart: does this include upstart?
[11:52] <xampart> dunno
[11:52] <intelliant> is it advisable to have vm guests sync time using an ntp-server
[11:52] <intelliant> ?
[11:53] <joschi> intelliant: yes
[11:53] <a_ok> xampart: no it does not... so it is no help :(
[11:53] <a_ok> there seems to be no way to find out what will be started with a sertain runlevel
[11:54] <joschi> a_ok: `man initctl`
[11:54] <intelliant> joschi: came across this - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/FAQ#Should%20ntp%20be%20used%20for%20time%20synchronisation?
[11:54] <intelliant> isn't it confusing?
[11:55] <intelliant> or have i misunderstood it?
[11:56] <joschi> intelliant: I thought you were talking about vmware VMs. for them see http://kb.vmware.com/kb/1006427
[11:57] <intelliant> sorry i was talking about VMs in general, but it seems there is a difference
[11:57] <joschi> intelliant: it basically depends on the virtualization technology you are using
[12:00] <a_ok> joschi: is mountall run at boot or not?
[12:01] <a_ok> I don't seem to get an answer to that question...
[12:01] <a_ok> not even with initctl
[12:04] <joschi> a_ok: `$ grep start\ on /etc/init/mountall.conf` -> "start on startup" -> see init(5)
[12:16] <kimda> Does Ubuntu 10.04 LTS with a HP Proliant DL160 G6 with P410 raid controller? Because I 've tried installing Debian Lenny amd64 on it but after installing I get a blinking cursor and no grub boot screen.
[12:19] <alex88> kimda: http://www.ubuntu.com/partners/hp seems ok to 9.04 so i think also with 10.04
[12:24] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, well a couple of things might cause the tarball (.tar.gz) or the contents (.img, -floppy) to timestamps other than current.  the downloadinging software you're using might respect/keep the timestamp sent in the http header (generally a god thing).  And then, when you extract, tar will also keep the modification dates that are in the tarball.
[12:25] <smoser> both of those could be "fixed", by just setting the timestamp at the end, but would probably be better to store somewhere what those were, and compare versus them.  if they're not the same as your record says, then assume modified and re-extract.
[12:25] <kimda> alex88: thanks I will try it out
[12:26] <a_ok> joschi: with all the dependencies and emits its kinda hard to find out what is starting at your runlevel. thanks for the help though
[12:28]  * a_ok thinks upstart is a realy bad idea (to complex, very anoying for the admin. should be like gentoo's init)
[12:30] <alex88> kimda: np
[12:38] <soren> jdstrand: Dude.
[12:40] <alvin> Isn't Gentoo moving away from init? (I liked gentoo's system too.) I forgot the name, but it's not moving to upstart.
[12:46] <joschi> alvin: no
[12:50] <alvin> I might be mistaken. It's probably funtoo that uses another init system.
[12:59] <a_ok> yeah it uses another init system
[13:00] <a_ok> archlinux is even cruder. I must say that upstart is really advanced and probably the greatest for desktop. but I like gentoo's init best on servers
[13:01] <joschi> a_ok: well, arch linux uses a bsd style init. and that's fine for it's purpose ;)
[13:02] <alvin> I have mixed feelings about upstart. You need to do some things after booting that really should happen automatically. Like restarting libvirt-bin or quasselore ir you run those.
[13:03] <a_ok> joschi: ow didn't even know that it was bsd style. I use arch on my laptop and is the easist to configure. but you can easily screw up dependencies. and don't think it has runlevel seperation
[13:04] <a_ok> alvin: my problem is that I have to many services installed that I most of the time do not need running perminently or might even cause serious problems when they start on auto
[13:05] <a_ok> try forinstance updating open-iscsi when your server does an iscsi boot.... It will hang on shutdown
[13:06] <alvin> Ugly
[13:06] <a_ok> yep
[13:08] <a_ok> the problem in this case was more that ubuntu packages try to start services when installing and add them to be booted (what means that why will also be brought down on shutdown what was the problem in my case)
[13:09] <a_ok> s/why/they/
[13:11] <a_ok> I once took out the out the entire webserver because I was installing a package that included a website and thought it would be fun to restart apache after injecting its config file (what conflicted with our setup)
[13:11] <a_ok> nice thing to have on a production server...
[13:17] <Daviey> hallyn, Are you around?
[13:24] <lhavelund> a_ok: heh; I installed ebox at one point. when I decided I didn't want it, it nuked my server, removing openssh-server, apache and a bunch more packages.
[13:57] <ttx> hggdh: ping me when you're around
[14:15] <hggdh> ttx: I am here for the next few minutes
[14:15] <hggdh> (then on a Dr appointment for one hour)
[14:15] <ttx> Daviey: around ?
[14:16] <ttx> hggdh: wanted to look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/eucalyptus to ensure it reflects current must-fix euca2 issues in Maverick
[14:17] <hggdh> ttx: will do, as soon as I return
[14:17] <ttx> hggdh: ping us when you're back.
[14:17] <ttx> (us=Daviey and me)
[14:18] <hggdh> ttx, Daviey: ack
[14:20] <Daviey> hggdh, o/
[14:34] <raubvogel> When you do add-apt-repository in 10.04, where are the repositories added to? I am not seeing any changes to /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:41] <_ruben> probably /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ then
[14:47] <mathiaz> zul: hi!
[14:47] <mathiaz> zul: what's the state of https://code.launchpad.net/~mathiaz/server-sru-tracker/visual-improvements/+merge/29329?
[14:48] <zul> mathiaz: i havent had a chance to work on it...perhaps today i can review it
[14:48] <mathiaz> zul: great - thnaks
[15:24] <Omahn> Has anyone successfully managed to deploy ganeti on Ubuntu 10.04 with the shipped packages?
[15:29] <rasengan> When an employee connects to the VPN, the server assigns itself an IP in the same subnet as the VPN.  However, if no employees are connected, the server no longer keeps the IP.  This, of course, causes daemons not to start because of failure to bind to the "non-existant" IP.  Anyone have any solutions?
[15:33] <zash> rasengan: bind to any ip, filter trafic not from tun*/vpn subnet
[15:34] <rasengan> zash: Ah, thank you.   :D
[15:34]  * patdk-wk notes 127.* won't work :)
[15:35] <zash> 127.* is loopback
[15:35] <rasengan> I have another, more difficult question that I have actually made several attempts to fix.
[15:35] <rasengan> *               hard    memlock         16384
[15:36] <rasengan> I have added that line in /etc/security/limits.conf
[15:36] <rasengan> However, at boot when I chec the ulimit, the memlock limits is like 64 still T_T
[15:37] <rasengan> In another attempt, I added ulimit -l 16384 to /etc/rc.local and /etc/init.d/local (local sys startup script created as per instructions on ubuntu wiki)
[15:37] <rasengan> but still, when i connect and list the ulimits, the memlock is set to 64
[15:37] <rasengan> it is only set to 16384 when i manually login (as root0 and type ulimit -l 16384
[15:37] <rasengan> How can I set the memlock uliit to 16384 at boot? o_O
[15:41] <hallyn> Daviey: sorry, had so much actionable email i stayed of irc as long as possible :)
[15:41] <hallyn> Daviey: what's up?
[15:47] <patdk-wk> rasengan, works great for me! :)
[15:47] <patdk-wk> replace hard with -
[15:48] <rasengan> patdk-wk: ahh ok
[15:48] <rasengan> so *   - memlock 16384
[15:48] <rasengan> :D
[15:49] <Daviey> hallyn, Good Morning! :)
[15:49] <Daviey> hallyn, Do you have a qemu-kvm uploading waiting?
[15:49] <hallyn> heh we need mumble to do that justice
[15:49] <hallyn> hm, not that i know of
[15:49] <hallyn> i think it's all merged
[15:49] <hallyn> the latest one, for scsi-writeback in lucid, should be in -proposed now
[15:50] <Daviey> hallyn, for maverick?
[15:50] <hallyn> nope, 0.12.5 is the latest i uploaded.  why?
[15:50] <Daviey> So uploading https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~davewalker/ubuntu/maverick/qemu-kvm/623830 wouldn't get in your way?
[15:51] <hallyn> Daviey: nope, looks good :)
[15:51] <hallyn> thanks
[15:51] <hallyn> for asking
[15:52] <hallyn> Daviey: ^
[15:52] <Daviey> hallyn, awesome
[15:54] <zul> SpamapS: when you are around can you gimme a list of things you need sponsored/merged and within reason ill do it ;)
[16:06] <therobot> When installing glusterfs on ubuntu10.04, it seems that fuse module it's not added to /etc/modules so after a reboot glusterfs miserably fails to mount, is that an expected behavior?
[16:07] <patdk-wk> hmm, I would think it would, autofind the module
[16:07] <patdk-wk> putting it in etc/modules just force loads it
[16:08] <hggdh> ttx, Daviey: I am back
[16:08] <ttx> Daviey: ?
[16:10] <Daviey> ttx, o/
[16:11] <ttx> hggdh, Daviey: ok, let's do it !
[16:11] <therobot> patdk-wk: where I can check that fuse is mounted by autofind?
[16:11] <ttx> Daviey, hggdh, looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/eucalyptus
[16:11] <Daviey> ttx, Lets get it started in here!
[16:11] <ttx> bug 619843
[16:12] <patdk-wk> mounted by autofind?
[16:12] <ttx> hggdh: that's a 2.0 regression, right ?
[16:12] <patdk-wk> therobot, you mean, depmod
[16:12] <Daviey> erm
[16:12] <SpamapS> zul: cool, I'll whip up a list. :)
[16:12] <hggdh> correct; culprit is apparmour ;-) ;needs a change in eucalyptus
[16:12] <Daviey> it's a libvirt induced regression ttx
[16:13] <ttx> Daviey: so you already know how to fix it ?
[16:13] <hggdh> change in libvirt was to remove the 9008 patch; we need two changes in Euca
[16:13] <jdstrand> uhh
[16:13] <Daviey> ttx, yes, euca' needs to be added to a group.  That should land today
[16:13] <hggdh> jdstrand: just joking ;-)
[16:13] <jdstrand> 619843 is not an apparmor problem
[16:13] <jdstrand> ok
[16:13] <jdstrand> :)
[16:13] <hggdh> (sorry)
[16:13] <jdstrand> ttx: it is actually related to what we talked about earlier today
[16:14] <ttx> ok, setting to triaged, targeting to beta
[16:14] <jdstrand> ttx: the chowning stuff
[16:14] <therobot> patdk-wk: I mean: probably I am not checking in the right place, when rebooting a machine fuse module its not loaded, so I am looking to solve it, I was thinking on adding the module to /etc/modules, but probably there's a more modern approach to solve this
[16:14] <ttx> ack
[16:14] <Daviey> hggdh, two changes in euca?
[16:14] <hggdh> Daviey: we also need to change the depends on libvirt to >=
[16:14] <ttx> bug 622698
[16:14] <Daviey> hggdh, ah, that is the two?
[16:15] <hggdh> Daviey: yes ;-)
[16:15] <Daviey> ttx, Working on a local package at the moment, that should fix it.
[16:15] <ttx> Daviey: fix 622698 ?
[16:15] <Daviey> Having trouble getting euca from local repo to work at install time :/
[16:15] <Daviey> so kinda hard for me to confirm, but i believe so
[16:16] <ttx> ok, marking inprogress then
[16:16] <Daviey> I think it is that timing issue we outlined.. but the verbose logging is done
[16:16] <ttx> bug 610987
[16:16] <Daviey> ttx, it is makred in progress :)
[16:16] <Daviey> not in progress
[16:17] <ttx> Daviey: right, by me, 43 seconds ago :)
[16:17] <Daviey> just need to find somewhere suitable to put a comment in a man page to fix that, really
[16:17] <hggdh> Daviey: yes, that's it
[16:17] <ttx> ok, that one is not RC, so I'll unmilestone it. Nice to have in maverick though, so keeping targeted to Maverick
[16:18] <Daviey> +1
[16:18] <hggdh> er
[16:18] <ttx> bug 556763
[16:18] <ttx> Daviey: am I right in assuming this is *not* a regression, but present in 1.6.2 ?
[16:19] <Daviey> +1
[16:19] <hggdh> correct
[16:19] <ttx> ok, so it's nice to fix, but not RC for beta
[16:19] <Daviey> yeah..
[16:19] <hggdh> there is one more thing
[16:19] <hggdh> I opened a bug on start/stop eucalyptus does not start/stop all
[16:20] <Daviey> erm
[16:20] <Daviey> eucalyptus or uec-compon'?
[16:20] <hggdh> eucalyptus
[16:20] <hggdh> right now, when I stop I have to 'initctl list | grep euca
[16:20] <hggdh> to find what really stopped
[16:21] <hggdh> and amanually stop the rest
[16:21] <hggdh> samewise for start
[16:21] <hggdh> this is not really helpful on production deployments
[16:21]  * Daviey reproduces
[16:21] <ttx> Daviey, hggdh: ideally that list should have all regressions as maverick/milestoned... and all "should fix" bugs that are not regressions as maverick/not-milestoned
[16:22] <ttx> Daviey, hggdh: does the current list contents reflect that ?
[16:22] <hggdh> ttx: I understand. I proposing this one to be milestoned
[16:22] <ttx> or should we pick more bugs from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eucalyptus
[16:22] <ttx> hggdh: sure, bug number ?
[16:22] <hggdh> bug 617496
[16:23] <Daviey> hggdh,  http://pb.daviey.com/wtZo/
[16:23] <ttx> hggdh: I suspect this is not a regression ?
[16:23] <hggdh> I do not *think* it is a regression
[16:23] <Daviey> ttx, I believe the list is current
[16:24] <ttx> I don't think we changed anything in that area, so must also be in 1.6.2
[16:24] <hggdh> Daviey: go figure :-( I think this is Yet Another Race
[16:24] <ttx> targeting to Maverick, not milestoned
[16:24] <Daviey> hmmmm
[16:24] <hggdh> ttx: I do not remember it then
[16:24] <ttx> if we establish it's a regression we can bump it by milestoning it.
[16:25] <hggdh> ttx: ack
[16:25] <hggdh> Daviey: it is very easy for me to reproduce...
[16:25] <ttx> Daviey: you'd keep that one off the hitlist ?
[16:25] <Daviey> hggdh, Hmm.. actually... i need to investigate that further
[16:26] <ttx> Daviey, hggdh: ideally the list at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eucalyptus would be triaged and current, but our worktime is limited... could we have alook at the High bugs there ?
[16:26] <hggdh> Daviey: OK. Since I can reproduce it easily, we can check on it later
[16:26] <ttx> bug 564355
[16:27] <hggdh> yes, and Euca has just assigned someone to it
[16:27] <Daviey> ttx, I did spend a little time yesterday looking at the catch all
[16:27] <ttx> I think we could spend a few cycles trying to verify this one... and potentially make the UEC in Maverick ebtter than the one in Lucid :)
[16:28] <ttx> should probably have an upstream task open
[16:28] <ttx> ok that I target it as a 'good-to-have' for Maverick ?
[16:28] <ttx> (and open euca upstream task) ?
[16:29] <hggdh> ttx: OK for me
[16:29] <ttx> Daviey: ?
[16:29] <hggdh> I should be able to reproduce it easily
[16:29] <Daviey> sounds good!
[16:30] <hggdh> no, not as easy
[16:30] <Daviey> hggdh, they commented on three bugs last night i believe, following a request for update
[16:30] <hggdh> Daviey: they did, assigning some to them
[16:30] <ttx> ok, done
[16:30] <ttx> bug 585108
[16:31] <ttx> I don't think the status for this one is right
[16:32] <ttx> since we have no clue what the problem is, I suspect
[16:32] <Daviey> yeah
[16:32] <ttx> I'll push it to New / Medium
[16:32] <ttx> it neeeds some reproduction
[16:33] <ttx> and definitely doesn't affect everyone
[16:33] <ttx> hggdh, Daviey: ack ?
[16:33] <Daviey> ttx, Agreed - we are lacking love on the SRU lookout tbh
[16:33] <hggdh> ttx: ack. I still do not like the 'not finding nodes' issue, though
[16:33] <Daviey> it's been a little while since i ran lucid uec
[16:34] <hggdh> same here, cannot have both on the rig
[16:34] <hggdh> (except for the 10.04.1 tests)
[16:34] <ttx> ok, done
[16:35] <ttx> anything else in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eucalyptus that would stand out ? like, as a critical issue or a regression ?
[16:35] <hggdh> ttx: looking at them
[16:36] <ttx> maybe bug 617053
[16:37] <ttx> Daviey: bug 613535 is, I think, fixed now ?
[16:37] <JasonMSP> Can anyone suggest a good FTP solution for me?  I need to provide FTP access for some of my clients but I want to constrain them to their /srv/www/theirwebsite folder.  I also don't want to have to adduser to create an account for every one needing access (im ok if this is completely out of the realm of possibility)???
[16:38] <Daviey> ttx, no.. need to add torrent client as a Depends
[16:39] <hggdh> ttx: not fixed by us, as far as I know. We need to add a depends (bit-torrent|bit-tornado)
[16:39] <Daviey> will fix in bzr shortly
[16:39] <Daviey> possibly Recommends actually.
[16:39] <ttx> ok, that one would be for Maverick too... maybe even milestoned to beta ?
[16:39] <hggdh> and I am not sure how bug 617053 has been fixed by us
[16:39] <Daviey> +1
[16:39] <hggdh> +1
[16:40] <ttx> ok, done
[16:40]  * hggdh would also really like to know *what* uses torrent
[16:40] <Daviey> hggdh, Hm.. we should have that fix
[16:40] <Daviey> hggdh, They did explain in the bug
[16:40] <Daviey> didn't they?
[16:40] <hggdh> Daviey: well, yes. perhaps I am dense, though
[16:40] <ttx> marked fixrreleased without comment 15 hours ago
[16:41] <zul> JasonMSP: vsftpd
[16:41] <ttx> i'll add it to the hitlist, targeted to -beta, so that we doublecheck it
[16:41] <hggdh> +1
[16:41] <Daviey> ttx, Ack
[16:42] <ttx> done
[16:42] <hggdh> ttx, Daviey: one interesting is bug 613216
[16:42] <hggdh> ttx, Daviey: my reasoning is either we do not need these values, or we are missing important stuff
[16:42] <hggdh> but this should be cleared
[16:43] <hggdh> (probably by moving the file structure to /var/lib/eucalyptus?)
[16:43] <ttx> hggdh: I won't push it to the hitlist since it's far from being the only obscure warning in the logs
[16:43] <JasonMSP> zul:  i've got VSFTPD installed.  Am I correct that I need to use adduser everytime I want to give someone access and then set their homefolder to /srv/www/theirwebsite?  Doing this and then ftp:theirwebsite on firefox allows you to click .. to go up and they can see all the way up to /
[16:43] <ttx> feel free to bump its importance if you can link it to something that breaks
[16:44] <hggdh> ttx: ack, and agreed
[16:44] <ttx> euca is looking at it, from &5hours ago
[16:44] <ttx> 15hours
[16:44] <zul> JasonMSP: not sure check vsftpd's website and documentation
[16:44] <Daviey> \o/
[16:44] <hggdh> ttx, Daviey: OK. One more: bug 622818
[16:44] <JasonMSP> zul:  been looking.  Haven't had much success.
[16:45] <hggdh> I *really* do not know WTF happened, and I *really* do not like it
[16:45] <hggdh> ttx, Daviey: and this is not the first time something like that happens
[16:45] <ttx> hggdh: difficult to push it to the hitlist as it stands
[16:45] <ttx> hggdh: maybe mention it in the call tomorrow ?
[16:45] <hggdh> ttx: ack, good idea
[16:45] <Daviey> hggdh, Whilst that is a concerning situation... i'm going to need to both push that upstream and try and reproduce it
[16:46] <ttx> ok. I think we are good
[16:46]  * Daviey is very good :)
[16:46] <hggdh> good boy, good boy!
[16:46] <ttx> all in all we are in good shape, if that buglist corresponds to the reality of the existing bugs
[16:46] <hggdh> we certainly are much better now
[16:47] <zul> Daviey: have a cookie
[16:47] <Daviey> zul, awesome.
[16:47] <ttx> try to keep https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/eucalyptus very up to date
[16:47] <ttx> as this is our common communication ground with eucalyptus
[16:47] <hggdh> ack
[16:47] <Daviey> ttx, I see it as my job to keep that list empty, and hggdh's job to fill it up..  Who will win?
[16:48] <hggdh> Daviey: wanna bet? :-)
[16:48] <Daviey> no :)
[16:48] <hggdh> :-)
[16:48] <ttx> DavidLevin: you will win, as long as he needs me to nominate them :P
[16:48] <ttx> Daviey: ^
[16:48] <Daviey> heh
[16:48] <hggdh> ttx: well, actually I do not *need* you, I can nominate them myself...
[16:48] <hggdh> I just do not like to do that without feedback
[16:49] <ttx> hggdh: rightn let's say, "need to go by me"
[16:49] <hggdh> ttx: oh. Now *that* is unfair ;-)
[16:49] <ttx> hggdh, Daviey: thanks guys, keep up the good work
[16:49] <Daviey> rockin'
[16:49] <Daviey> ttx, moment to mumble?
[16:49] <ttx> sure
[16:58] <SpamapS> jjohansen: I'm trying to figure out why ceph is missing from the -virtual kernels .. bug 622953 .. any thoughts?
[17:03] <jjohansen> SpamapS: hrmm, it shouldn't be I am guessing the config got accidentally dropped when -virtual got split into its own flavor.
[17:04] <jjohansen> SpamapS: I'll get a config pull request together today
[17:14] <JasonMSP> Anyone else have thoughts on FTP access?  Im looking for a solution to provide FTP access for my clients to their /srv/www/folder but I don't want them anywhere else on the system.  VSFTP has been recommended which I've installed but not coming up with a suitable working solution. I don't want to adduser everytime I want to give a new user access to the clients ftp folder.
[17:15] <pmatulis> JasonMSP: so allow them to connect with a common user
[17:16] <pmatulis> JasonMSP: i think i may have misunderstood you.  each client has their own area?
[17:16] <pmatulis> JasonMSP: in that case i don't see why you resist creating a user for each client
[17:17] <JasonMSP> pmatulis: each client has their own website I am hosting for them.  Your suggestion may be suitable if the clients are ok with one login, but that may not be the case.
[17:18] <JasonMSP> pmatulis:  probably because Im obsessive about organization and giving as little access as possible to any part of the server.  I also have not been able to successfully root them to their folder.  They arrive at their folder but then can cd .. up
[17:18] <pmatulis> JasonMSP: well you just need to grok chrooting in vsftpd then
[17:19] <pmatulis> JasonMSP: if your clients are savvy-enough an alternative is sftp
[17:24] <JasonMSP> pmatulis: SFTP was suggested the other day but from what I have read on the manpages this is even further over my head.
[17:25] <pmatulis> JasonMSP: are your clients Windows people?
[17:25] <JasonMSP> pmatulis:  i think they will need a gui so if I understand SFTP correctly it is just like sshing into the system?
[17:25] <JasonMSP> pmatulis: Mostly apple at the moment, but some windows.
[17:26] <JasonMSP> pmatulis:  I can recommend suitable FTP clinents for them.  Thats not a problem.
[17:26] <pmatulis> JasonMSP: well setting up chrooted sftp is not hard
[17:27] <SpamapS> jjohansen: ty! :)
[17:30] <JasonMSP> pmatulis:  so your saying SFTP is a better solution then VSFTP for what Im looking to do?  How about setting up users?  Is it the same adduser...?
[17:31] <pmatulis> JasonMSP: they are pretty much the same in terms of what you're intending to do
[17:32] <Daviey> ttx, Sed'ing the Packages list was all i had to do :)
[17:32] <Daviey> ttx, you rock.
[17:32] <JasonMSP> pmatulis: found this which seems pretty straightforward http://shapeshed.com/journal/chroot_sftp_users_on_ubuntu_intrepid/
[17:32] <pmatulis> JasonMSP: there you go
[17:35] <JasonMSP> pmatulis:  big thanks.
[17:37] <zul> ivoks: ping
[17:38] <ivoks> zul: pong
[17:38] <zul> ivoks: is #524341 redy to go?
[17:38] <ivoks> bug #524341
[17:39] <ivoks> yes
[17:39] <ivoks> :)
[17:39] <JasonMSP> pmatulis:  is this necessary??  http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/rhel-centos-linux-install-configure-rssh-shell.html
[17:43] <zul> ivoks: done
[17:44] <ivoks> zul: thank you
[17:44] <zul> ivoks: no problem
[17:51] <pmatulis> JasonMSP: i've never used that but it looks good
[17:52] <pmatulis> JasonMSP: i'm actually going to try this out when i get a chance
[17:55] <ajaya> hello folks. I have been the Karmic 32 bit image on EC2.
[17:55] <ajaya> been getting swapper: page
[17:55] <ajaya> allocation failure. order:5, mode:0x20  errors.
[17:55] <ajaya> shall I be worried/
[18:02] <zul> spam spam spam
[18:03] <JasonMSP> pmatulis: Thanks.  Just gave you my IM if im not up on IRC
[18:07] <Xpistos> Can someone direct me to get help for landscape?
[18:11] <pmatulis> Xpistos: what is the problem?
[18:12] <Xpistos> I want to write a script that will open "screen -S irssi" and then start irssi on my server. I tried but it wouldn't run the screen command and said it needs a terminal
[18:15] <shauno> Xpistos: try with -m as well?
[18:15] <todd> @reboot screen -d -m -S irssi irssi
[18:24] <Xpistos> shauno: what does the -d and -m tags do?
[18:25]  * SpamapS has hiccups
[18:27] <Xpistos> shauno: trying it out now
[18:29] <Daviey> mathiaz, bug #537451
[18:30] <ball> Daviey!
[18:30] <hggdh> smoser: I will add testing of the loader, thanks for the heads up
[18:31] <smoser> thanks man
[18:31] <Daviey> hey ball
[18:31] <hggdh> you are very welcome
[18:33] <Xpistos> shauno: and it sure did work. thanks!
[18:45] <Italian_Plumber> If ubuntu server is based on debian linux, why does the installation for ubuntu fit on a CD, but you need five DVDs for debian?
[18:45] <bventura> good morning!  hey is there a way to use the command line to tell if you need to reboot after applying updates with "aptitude safe-upgrade" ?  the only way I see that now is if I log out and then log back in, its on the MOTD......
[18:45] <Italian_Plumber> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.5/i386/bt-dvd/
[18:46] <patdk-wk> Italian_Plumber, I don't see how they have anything to do with each other, as far as that goes
[18:46] <patdk-wk> and actually, I normally burn ubuntu to a dvd, not a cd
[18:47] <Italian_Plumber> well who buys blank CDs anymore.  :)
[18:47] <patdk-wk> I do
[18:48] <patdk-wk> why would I waste a dvd for 100megs, when a cd works, and is 3-4x less expensive
[18:48] <ball> ...and arguably more reliable.
[18:49]  * patdk-wk default install method is pxe though
[18:49] <ball> s/reliable/robust/
[18:51] <dominicdinada> how to remove gnome and xorg from a server without disturbing anything else ?
[18:51] <patdk-wk> remove ubuntu-desktop?
[18:52] <dominicdinada> yes
[18:52] <patdk-wk> then do it :)
[18:52] <dominicdinada> Well how do you go about doing it without breaking the server install. IE settings for network, shares etc
[18:53]  * patdk-wk wonders what one has to do with the other
[18:53] <patdk-wk> if you using gnome things to manage the server, then yes, it will break
[18:53] <patdk-wk> that is your fault for not moving that stuff out first though
[18:53] <dominicdinada> ummm wouldnt the auto up interfaces ? not work anymore ?
[18:54] <dominicdinada> patdk-wk: 4tb is way to much to back up
[18:54] <patdk-wk> it would, but if your using network-manager
[18:54] <patdk-wk> who said anything about backup?
[18:54]  * patdk-wk runs
[18:54] <dominicdinada> oh just the network files ?
[18:54] <dominicdinada> and samba shares  ?
[18:55] <dominicdinada> ok i guess i should ask it like this.
[18:55] <dominicdinada> when REmoving the gnome desktop. Will it have ANY effect at all on the samba shares. network, hosts, user, etc files ?
[18:55] <patdk-wk> maybe
[18:56] <patdk-wk> did you use network/interfaces for network/hosts/..., or network-manager :)
[18:56] <bventura> dominic: just back up your /etc/networking/interfaces file and /etc/samba/smb.comf and everything should be OK
[18:56]  * dominicdinada hands patdk-wk a six shot revolver with one bullet... maybe
[18:56] <dominicdinada> bventura:  ok :P
[18:56] <patdk-wk> well, I dunno what you did, or how you configured the server :)
[18:56] <patdk-wk> you won't loose anything by uninstalling
[18:57] <bventura> and if you do those two files I mention should be all you need to get it back
[18:57] <patdk-wk> but if you used it like a desktop, and setup samba shares like a desktop, I wouldn't know
[18:57] <fx> hi guys, i wonder if youd be able to give me a quick hand, people at #vsftpd are unresponsive, I need to chroot all users to one directory
[18:57] <dominicdinada> it is not a wireless interface but i seem to remember by default prior to the gnome desktop install that the network never auto connected. even though i set it to do so
[18:59] <Italian_Plumber> http://www.linux-gnu.com/buydistro.html <--- designed on a very wide monitor. :)
[19:00] <patdk-wk> wide?
[19:00] <patdk-wk> that doesn't even fill up half my width :) but it's long and large as hell :)
[19:05] <dominicdinada> oh and i got like 5 other questions also
[19:05] <dominicdinada> When you remove the desktop, will it effect the samba server, apache, mysql, php daemons from starting with the machine that was another concern
[19:10] <patdk-wk> dominicdinada, only if you really screwed up your machine
[19:10] <dominicdinada> ok
[19:11] <dominicdinada> so to remove desktop i just remove the gnome-desktop package and it should pull all the crapware off also
[19:12] <patdk-wk> unless you manually installed something that uses X/gnome/..., yes
[19:20] <dominicdinada> could an update have caused the server to set a default bandwidth, I have noticed over the last month that the bandwidth to the server never exceeds 400kbs when before I was reaching 1.5mbps since it is only a local server there is no increased traffic
[19:22] <patdk-wk> the simple answer, yes
[19:22] <patdk-wk> an update *could* of done anything :)
[19:22] <patdk-wk> is that your issue, 99.999% sure an update didn't cause your problem
[19:23] <dominicdinada> i check the logs and nothing to suspect anything otherwise, as it is set to drop almost all external packets not local to the network
[19:23] <patdk-wk> first, what is the problem?
[19:24] <patdk-wk> you said local server
[19:24] <dominicdinada> yes
[19:24] <patdk-wk> so I dunno how local server has external packets
[19:24] <dominicdinada> i dont trust someone getting past crappy routers
[19:26] <dominicdinada> in my router logs there is alot of activity with people attempting to gain access, but it is stopped at the router level. anyhow going from a 1.5mbps connection to maxing at 350kbs makes streaming anything impossible. The cap on file transfers was set to none but 65kbps is unacceptable
[19:38] <kandjar> hi there,
[19:39] <kandjar> How to setup the directory right so that the group and permission gets propagated to newly created sub-directory properly?
[19:40] <kandjar> if I set the initial folder to: "chmod g+s" it only propagate the group name
[19:40] <kandjar> but the permission aren't setup properly...
[19:42] <sjm> dominicdinada, patdk-wk, isn't the "gnome-desktop" a virtual package and would removing it remove only it?
[19:45] <sjm> dominicdinada, patdk-wk wouldn't you want, instead to remove something like the base xserver-xorg package?
[19:49] <dominicdinada> should i remove that as well
[19:49] <dominicdinada> although it crashed my grub and has 4 kernels listed everything else went fine
[19:51] <dominicdinada> ok not everything went fine it is now refusing my ssh connections :(
[19:52] <dominicdinada> ugh it is denying everything besides my http requests
[19:52] <dominicdinada> !ssh
[19:56] <dominicdinada> sjm: why would it kill my ssh server?
[19:56] <dominicdinada> !runlevel
[19:57] <sjm> try dpkg -l | grep ssh to see if it uninstalled openssh.
[19:58] <dominicdinada> ok
[19:59] <thesheff17> Any reason an IBM x336 server wouldn't boot with ubuntu 10.04 amd?
[19:59]  * SpamapS enters hour #2 w/ hiccups
[20:00] <dominicdinada> says its there ii
[20:01] <dominicdinada> sjm:  host  key error o restart
[20:03] <dominicdinada> listem addy is #
[20:12] <dominicdinada> sjm: ok reinstalling the ssh server i get these errors. ufw triggers failed. ERROR problem running
[20:13] <jdstrand> that is non-fatal
[20:13] <dominicdinada> ok
[20:14] <dominicdinada> now what to do about the grub fail :( wont have access physically every reboot etc...
[20:14] <dominicdinada> 4 kernels listed
[20:14] <dominicdinada> .24 .23 .22 .21 :/
[20:18] <thesheff17> any reason ubuntu 10.04 32 bit would boot fine but a 64 bit doesn't...though the machine is 64 bit.
[20:19] <dominicdinada> thesheff17: drivers?
[20:20] <dominicdinada> thesheff17: 32bit and 64bit OS as different as a VW BEETLE and a Ferrari
[20:20] <thesheff17> dominicdinada: weird since I'm just using the install cd :-/
[20:20] <thesheff17> dominicdinada: yea I want to use 64 bit and don't know why it won't boot
[20:20] <dominicdinada> Ubuntu may not have say 64bit video drivers for your video card. and then it errors
[20:20] <sjm> dominicdinada, what do you mean grub fails.  It runs and lists the kernels, no?  The timeout doesn't boot the default kernel?
[20:21] <sjm> dominicdinada, you can uninstall the old kernels through apt.
[20:22] <sjm> dominicdinada, sorry, can't do much more now, have to get back to a couple of other things.
[20:23] <thesheff17> dominicdinada: actually I know that I have put Ubuntu 8.04 AMD on one of these boxes before...weird it doesn't work with Ubuntu 10.04 AMD
[20:28] <dominicdinada> !hostname
[20:34] <dominicdinada> !upstart
[20:35] <schelcj> can ubuntu-server be installed with an lvm root partion?
[20:36] <mdeslaur> Daviey: I just uploaded libvirt and virt-manager to maverick to fix the tcsh shell issue. They tested fine for me, but please let me know if they don't solve it for you.
[20:37] <dominicdinada> holy crap this thing is running 5x slower now that gnome desktop is gone
[20:37] <sherr> schelcj: yes
[20:38] <dominicdinada> SSH is ungodly slow worse than a 486, queries to mysql DB take alot longer. Ya.... trade security for speed....
[20:38] <schelcj> sherr: i just did an install that failed to find my root lv because the vg didn't exist
[20:38] <sherr> schelcj: Oh well. Try again. I do it all the time.
[20:39] <schelcj> sherr: i have reinstalled many times each with new errors
[20:40] <schelcj> sherr: here is the error i get at boot http://ressik.dyndns.org/~schelcj/vulcan001.jpg
[20:44] <alvin> sherr: bug 360378
[20:45] <alvin> Oops, I meant schelcj
[20:45] <BrixSat> hello
[20:45] <BrixSat> i have setted up a vpn server and it working ok, the problem is i dont have internet when connected to it
[20:46] <BrixSat> any help?
[20:51] <thesheff17> dominicdinada: downloaded the latest 10.04.1 amd and it worked fine
[20:52] <schelcj> alvin: so this is a known bug, what is the fix? i see mention of editing the grub conf, but i can't do that without mounting root
[21:04] <alvin> schelcj: There is no fix. For me upgrading to lucid helps on most servers.
[21:07] <schelcj> alvin: this is lucid
[21:08] <alvin> schelcj: Mark the bug as affecting you
[21:13] <schelcj> looks like i am also hitting up against bug 452350
[21:13] <kirkland> hallyn: around?
[21:15] <hallyn> kirkland: .
[21:15] <kirkland> hallyn: okay, i'm struggling trying to get a running uec-live desktop iso created
[21:16] <kirkland> hallyn: i had to make a few changes to your bzr branch just to get it building
[21:16] <kirkland> hallyn: when i boot what i build, though, it eventually drops me to a busybox initramfs
[21:16] <kirkland> hallyn: saying it can't find a live fs
[21:16] <hallyn> you're building on a maverick host now, i assume?
[21:17] <kirkland> hallyn: yes
[21:17] <kirkland> hallyn: i think most of my changes had to do with that
[21:17] <hallyn> were they anything scary?
[21:17] <hallyn> (btw - linux magazine's article for the day was about 'cloud in your pocket' - but not yours :( )
[21:17] <kirkland> hallyn: nothing too bad
[21:18] <hallyn> so what sort of error msg before initramfs prompt?
[21:18] <hallyn> failure to mount /root?
[21:18] <kirkland> hallyn: hmm, well, the final error looks like:
[21:18] <kirkland> (initramfs) Unable to find a medium containing a live file system
[21:19] <kirkland> hallyn: i figured you might have seen this
[21:20] <hallyn> well, in other places we had to specify the LIVEMEDIA= option but i don't think we should have to here
[21:20] <hallyn> I'm trying to remember where I built that
[21:20] <kirkland> hallyn: yeah, there's no need for persistence here
[21:20] <kirkland> hallyn: just iso only
[21:20] <kirkland> hallyn: i dropped toram and persistent
[21:21] <kirkland> hallyn: mounting root file system looks okay
[21:22] <kirkland> hallyn: hangs for a long while at Running /scripts/casper-premount ... done.  done.
[21:23] <hallyn> yeah iyeah sounds familiar
[21:23] <hallyn> man i keep hitting the moronic wireless-off physical switch
[21:24] <kirkland> hallyn: yeah, i wish my x200 didn't even have one of those
[21:25] <hallyn> kirkland: looking nthrough my uec cloud bzr branch nothing rings a bell.  i can give it a shot if you like, but have no off-the-cuff insights
[21:26] <kirkland> hallyn: okay, i'll fight with it
[21:26] <hallyn> (well, i've never looked at how 'toram' is exactly implemented in live-helper, taking a quick look)
[21:27] <hallyn> i see it's casper
[21:27] <hallyn> kirkland: why did you remove toram exactly?
[21:30] <hallyn> kirkland: a hunch tells me that keeping toram may make it work.  that otherwise the root disk may be deemed busy when trying to mount it
[21:30] <hallyn> (prolly wrong, but...)
[21:31] <dominicdinada> WTF
[21:31] <dominicdinada> stupid server
[21:32] <hallyn> dominicdinada: kick it
[21:33] <dominicdinada> hallyn: not far from it
[21:38] <dominicdinada> hallyn: I got it somewhat working but the darn thing is hanging on the boot screen. I can ssh into it,. webmin into it. Mount files systems into it. But the box is stuck at finding a fqdn for mysql WTF
[21:38] <dominicdinada> frqwhgqewhgforqgioirgrogivilgs;vs;qeep wiqpeiwg
[21:43] <Daviey> mdeslaur, awesome! :)
[21:43] <Daviey> mdeslaur, Thanks for that
[21:43] <mdeslaur> np!
[21:48] <hggdh> smoser: --use-loader seems to be working fine
[21:49] <Daviey> SpamapS, When working on the development release of euca', any chance you could base your branch on  lp:~ubuntu-virt/ubuntu/maverick/eucalyptus/2.0 rather than lp:ubuntu/eucalyptus ?
[21:49] <Daviey> SpamapS, The last change i manually merged your changes into that branch, but it makes life much easier if it's based on that to start with :)
[21:49] <Daviey> SpamapS, (thanks for working on it btw) :)
[21:50] <Daviey> SpamapS, Don't worry about adjusting this one.. i'll manually do it
[22:18] <JasonMSP> whats the option on the cp command that will create the directories if they don't exist.  I thought it was -r but Im not being able to copy this file and Im not understanding the manpages
[22:20] <YankDownUnder> JasonMSP, Um...thought it was just "cp -rf"
[22:21] <JasonMSP> might be the f i am leaving out
[22:22] <YankDownUnder> Yeppers mate - just "cp -rf" => that'll do it...
[22:22] <zash> -f is just force/owerwrite afai
[22:22] <YankDownUnder> Ah well, works either which way...
[22:23] <JasonMSP> stilll not working.  the directory doesn't already exist in the copy to location.  am i missing something?   cp -rf filea /etc/filea
[22:24] <YankDownUnder> jasonb_, Hang on...lemme try something on my server...
[22:25] <JasonMSP> sudo is being used of cours
[22:27] <YankDownUnder> Well, seems to work for me here...copied the contents of one dir such as: cp -Rf /home/user/Applications/CurseTheWeather /home/user/temp => copied fine and dandy
[22:27] <JasonMSP> does it matter that it is a file and then im copying into a new directory that doesn't exist?
[22:28] <YankDownUnder> JasonMSP, Um...reckon ya lost me on that one...
[22:31] <dominicdinada> !dansguardian
[22:31] <JasonMSP> got it working but I did it the long way.  mkdir... cp...
[23:03] <JasonMSP> anyone have vsftpd with ssl working on their system?
[23:20] <Daviey> mathiaz, Thanks for the upload!


[12:16] <danimo> heya
[12:17] <danimo> who is the right one to talk about a laptop-lid problem? Whenever I close the lid the display backlight (at least) won't come up again. I tried to disable DPMS but that didn't help
[05:12] <infinity> New kernel, yay!
[05:12] <infinity> BenC: Thanks, dude.
[05:13] <BenC> you doing lrm?
[05:25] <infinity> Not at 1:30am, I'm not, but I'll do it first thing in the morning when I see that linux-source has built everywhere.
[05:25] <infinity> (I have some pending bugfixes and patches, so unless this is "OMG, so urgent it can't wait 8 hours", may as well just do the ABI bump tomorrow morning)
[05:26] <infinity> And we need to sit down and discuss LRM in Paris, I think, so I can mostly hand it off to you.
[05:27] <infinity> Should be easy enough if I have you cornered in a room. :)
[05:28] <BenC> yeah, that sounds like a good idea
[05:30] <infinity> Then you'll have 4 whole source packages (l-s, l-r-m, l-m, and kernel-package), and I'll be down to several dozen MINUS ONE.  Seems fair. :)
[05:30] <infinity> (For the record, I'd fight if anyone tried to give you more anyway... It's obvious we need at least one full-time kernel dude, and you've been doing great)
[05:31] <doko> btw, the kernel still hangs with fglrx on amd64 and a Radeon X800 when leaving X (even when leaving the session)
[05:31] <doko> with newest lrm
[05:32] <BenC> what kernel do you have?
[05:32] <doko> amd64-k8
[05:32] <BenC> version :)
[05:33] <BenC> it wouldn't happen to be using via for drm, would it?
[05:33] <doko> 2.6.15-21-amd64-k8
[05:33] <doko> 2.6.15-21.32
[05:34] <BenC> there was a fix for 64-bit (especially amd64) in via-drm in -22
[05:34] <BenC> not sure if it's relevant, but who knows
[05:34] <doko> hmm, it's an nforce chipset, not via
[05:35] <infinity> Could well be.  fglrx does use the native linux dri/drm layers (unlike nvidia-glx, which just uses its own, so it doesn't have to deal with kernel interfaces changing)
[05:35] <infinity> Oh, but if it's nForce, then nevermind.
[05:35] <infinity> doko: When I get the new LRM up tomorrow, you can test, but I don't have high hopes.
[05:35] <infinity> fglrx and I have had some pretty rough arguments even on i386, where it's supposedly tested a fair bit more.
[05:36] <infinity> doko: Your problems might go away if you just disable DRI, though.
[05:36] <infinity> (Assuming you don't actually need it)
[05:36] <infinity> Anyhow, I need to go sleep so I can work in the morning.
[05:36] <doko> I'll try it
[05:36] <infinity> Ciao.
[05:39] <BenC> later
[09:42] <BenC> hmm, X does not like this 600Mhz iMac I got
[09:43] <BenC> system is really slow when it's in graphics mode
[09:43] <BenC> I can't see why it's any different than the aty128 G4 that I have though


[12:57] <asac> n8
[02:33] <gnomefreak> that was weird. apport crashed my whole system :(
[04:24] <gnomefreak> asac: i assigned bug 85267 to you, for a retrace on 64bit. i didnt get a stack or threadstack at all. (im heading to bed just wanted to let you know.
[04:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85267 in firefox "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in raise()" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85267
[07:33] <dfarning> asac, good morning
[11:27] <asac> hi
[11:28] <asac> dfarning_: where are you located? how you can appear here so early :)
[11:28] <asac> gnomefreak: ok
[11:28] <asac> feel free to assign anything amd64 to me
[11:41] <asac> ok ... got to go again.
[11:41] <asac> cu l8er
[11:44] <asac> poningru: ping
[11:47] <asac> gnomefreak: i don't get anything reaonsalb ein retracing that too
[11:48] <poningru> asac: pong
[11:58] <asac> poningru: wasn't you the one who can paint?
[11:59] <poningru> no
[11:59] <poningru> ...
[11:59] <asac> :)
[11:59] <asac> ok
[11:59] <poningru> sorry :(
[12:00] <asac> np
[12:38] <Admiral_Chicago> AlexLatchford: i think the beryl thing was evident...someone was talking about it recently
[12:39] <Admiral_Chicago> plus these came when beryl went to .92222222222222
[12:39] <Admiral_Chicago> so i'm going to say...chronology is causation in this case
[12:40] <Admiral_Chicago> logic error anyone :O
[12:40] <AlexLatchford> meh?
[12:41] <AlexLatchford> what beryl thing?
[12:42] <Admiral_Chicago> the beryl causing Fx to crash
[12:44] <AlexLatchford> kk
[12:44] <AlexLatchford> I havent tested Beryl recently
[12:44] <AlexLatchford> still using Metacity for day to day usage
[12:44] <Admiral_Chicago> you're not missing much...
[12:44] <Admiral_Chicago> i've used Beryl, not worth the hassle imo
[12:45] <AlexLatchford> yeah, I did like the Cube though
[12:45] <AlexLatchford> but a few too many bugs
[12:45] <Admiral_Chicago> i liked it, but it did weird things with the panel, couldn't sort them by desktop...
[12:46] <Admiral_Chicago> so i had all the open windows displayed on a panel, even if they were on different viewports...lame
[12:46] <AlexLatchford> yeah there are a few major issues
[12:46] <AlexLatchford> yeah I filed a report that I couldn't switch maximised programs to different viewports
[12:46] <Admiral_Chicago> my biggest thing is that it wont run on my computer without proprietary software
[12:47] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: afaik intel gpu works well and had free drivers
[12:48] <Admiral_Chicago> ya i had to buy Nvidia before I know I was into free software though
[12:48] <asac> :)
[12:48] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: nixternal did that, and he didn't have an issue
[12:49] <Admiral_Chicago> great, now Fx won't launch for me and I really don't have the time to debug it.
[12:49] <asac> np, i even bought an ATI card recently .... because I wanted full power for quake4 :) ... though I exactly knew that I am in free software and in general dislike prop drivers
[12:49] <Admiral_Chicago> wth, Konqueror did the same thing
[12:49] <asac> oh
[12:49] <asac> maybe you have a messed up thing there :)
[12:50] <Admiral_Chicago> okay this is really odd...w3m it is.
[12:51] <Admiral_Chicago> might as well use w3m, just need to attach this file...
[12:52] <Admiral_Chicago> grr...frames
[12:52] <Admiral_Chicago> freddy@omicron:~$ firefox
[12:52] <Admiral_Chicago> No protocol specified
[12:53] <Admiral_Chicago> any ideas?
[12:54] <Admiral_Chicago> wow, okay nothing is working...time to do a brute force method
[12:54] <Admiral_Chicago> sudo shutdown NOW. haha
[12:54] <poningru> ok so <IP_ADDRESS> will be released later today
[12:55] <poningru> are we ready with that that?
[12:58] <Admiral_Chicago> uptime: 1 minute. I was going on a week
[01:59] <gnomefreak> now that is how it should look. a good retrace on feisty == bug 86002
[01:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86002 in firefox "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86002
[02:00] <asac> poningru: always the same ... release friday night ... and let distributors alone for the weekend.
[02:01] <gnomefreak> asac: once retrace is done can we get rid of mt-needtestcase or mt-needtester?
[02:01] <asac> which bug ... only some crashers should have those tags ... mostly just in case we have a fix we need to try.
[02:01] <gnomefreak> bug 86002
[02:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86002 in firefox "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86002
[02:02] <asac> gnomefreak: i think the needtestcase just accidentially slipped in. however mt-needsummary is valid
[02:02] <gnomefreak> right
[02:03] <asac> hmmm
[02:03] <asac> this one is a java plugin crash ... maybe a testcase/tester won't be soo bad after all ... can we reproduce this?
[02:04] <gnomefreak> i havent tried bug i can tell you java never crashed for me since feisty repos opened
[02:05] <gnomefreak> lets find out :)
[02:05] <asac> yeah ... i think so too ... however reporter says it crashes after installing blue ice theme ... wierd.
[02:05] <gnomefreak> installing it
[02:06] <asac> http://www.rockradioaz.cz/azlive.php?choice=0"
[02:06] <asac> that is the url the java plugin crashes on
[02:06] <asac> at least its in the stacktrace :)
[02:06] <asac> maybe try if with java installed it crashes
[02:08] <gnomefreak> oh here we go. taking a screen shot for you
[02:08] <asac> to reproduce we should ensure that java used is /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-<IP_ADDRESS>/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[02:08] <asac> ok
[02:11] <gnomefreak> emailing it to you. my home folder doesnt want to open
[02:12] <asac> k
[02:13] <gnomefreak> sent to ubuntu.com address
[02:13] <asac> yau ... <IP_ADDRESS> sources are there
[02:14] <gnomefreak> did tb .10 release yet?
[02:14] <asac> gnomefreak: ok ... might take some time ... @jwsdot.com might be faster
[02:14] <gnomefreak> k
[02:14] <asac> official statement: thunderbird will be released sometime next week - maybe :)
[02:14] <gnomefreak> when im done with emails ill ask if you got it if not ill send there
[02:14] <gnomefreak> lol @ -maybe
[02:16] <asac> the digital signature thing is not that a big problem
[02:16] <asac> if you fear to get a trojan
[02:16] <asac> don't run it though
[02:16] <asac> what happens if you go on?
[02:16] <asac> (if you want to go on:))
[02:16] <gnomefreak> no i wondering if its spacking the crash
[02:16] <gnomefreak> im going to accept it when done with email
[02:17] <asac> hmmm ... doubt so ... ok ... lets see what happens if it you accept ;)
[02:17] <asac> maybe accept in a chroot
[02:17] <asac> FEAR!!!
[02:17] <asac> :)
[02:17] <asac> hmmm ubuntu planet livebookmarks fail to load for the whole day (in ffox)
[02:18] <asac> planet debian, mozilla and other news sites work
[02:19] <gnomefreak> well i went back to it and pop is no longer there. i refreshed page and it says "Applet jOrbisPlayer started"  in the bottom left corner
[02:20] <asac> hmm
[02:20] <gnomefreak> nothing is loading though
[02:20] <asac> after fresh ffox start?
[02:20] <asac> maybe restart ffox
[02:20] <gnomefreak> i just closed site just now and its not poping th dialog box
[02:21] <gnomefreak> i did refresh than i closed link i will try clear cache and start over
[02:21] <asac> yes please
[02:21] <asac> maybe in combination with ... remember session and theme update?
[02:22] <gnomefreak> hmm not helping still just black screen even after clearing all data
[02:27] <asac> ok
[02:27] <asac> i will try to look at code then ... is it mt-confirm?
[02:29] <gnomefreak> might be
[02:30] <gnomefreak> site works as expected
[02:30] <gnomefreak> you accept it and it plays music
[02:30] <gnomefreak> radio station even
[02:31] <asac> please set it ... maybe this issue is even gone for reporter. I will take a look anyway, maybe i see what code might have a missing check or something.
[02:32] <asac> ah ... karma has been updated :)
[02:32] <gnomefreak> it dropped i think
[02:32] <gnomefreak> mine atleast
[02:33] <asac> 13631
[02:33] <asac> is yours
[02:33] <gnomefreak> i thought it was stuck at 14300+
[02:33] <gnomefreak> for the last week
[02:33] <asac> but since you have been here over a year ... might be valid
[02:33] <asac> karma decays
[02:34] <asac> though I find it wierd, because you did quite some bug triage the last days
[02:34] <gnomefreak> yes its set to mt-confirm
[02:34] <asac> ty
[02:34] <gnomefreak> yw
[02:35] <gnomefreak> one more retrace than i will see about tb local
[02:37] <asac> goody goody
[02:37] <asac> will do some house cleaning now ... its really a mess here
[02:38] <asac> will stop by from time to time ... so if you run into problems, I will be here :)
[02:39] <gnomefreak> k
[02:41] <gnomefreak> damn apport
[02:47] <gnomefreak> i searched for thunderbird-locals mozilla and thunderbird there is no meta package for locals the only thing  i found is thunderbird-local-CC and there isnt one for lt so its something we would have to start from scratch by the looks of it.
[02:48] <asac> let me see
[02:48] <asac> (feisty2)asac@hector:~$ apt-cache show thunderbird-locale-tr | grep Source
[02:48] <asac> Source: thunderbird-locales
[02:48] <asac> so apt-get source thunderbird-locales should download
[02:48] <asac> it
[02:49] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[02:50] <gnomefreak> got it :)
[02:52] <gnomefreak> blueice theme is kind of cool :)
[03:04] <gnomefreak> asac: its at version thunderbird-locales (1:<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1-3) should i go to 2ubuntu1-4 or 2ubuntu2?
[03:15] <gnomefreak> brb gonna try to fix nautilus
[03:22] <asac> 2ubuntu2-1
[03:22] <asac> as this will be a new upstream tarball
[03:22] <asac> maybe use 2ubuntu2-0mt1 for preview builds
[03:22] <asac> once everything is right we will push a -1
[03:23] <asac> before dash = upstreawm version (has to change every time we make changes to orig.tar.gz
[03:24] <asac> after dash ... packaging updates (e.g. changes on same orig.tar.gz)
[03:25] <gnomefreak> the control file will be updated during build? or should add 2 sections for lt one normal one transitional?
[03:25] <asac> no transitional ... no -lt existed so far
[03:25] <asac> otherwise yes
[03:25] <asac> 1 section for -lt
[03:26] <asac> take care that you write spell the language correct :)
[03:26] <asac> but please make new upstream orig.tar.gz
[03:27] <asac> with all .xpi files replaced with original ones (e.g. official branding)
[03:27] <gnomefreak> so download all of them over and replace exsisting ones than retar it and build it?
[03:27] <asac> yeah
[03:28] <asac> extract current orig somewhere
[03:28] <gnomefreak> k
[03:28] <asac> then replace all
[03:28] <asac> then tar-up with new upstream tarball version (see above)
[03:28] <asac> add lt.xpi of course too
[03:28] <gnomefreak> can do that. should i redo control file for all of them? trash all transitionals and replace maintainer with you?
[03:29] <asac> no
[03:29] <asac> just keep changes to minimum
[03:29] <asac> just add -lt
[03:29] <asac> ... who is maintainer ?
[03:29] <asac> hans?
[03:29] <gnomefreak> no one of ours
[03:29] <asac> who is that?
[03:29] <gnomefreak> checking as soon as it opens
[03:29] <asac> Marin
[03:30] <asac> Martin
[03:30] <asac> ok
[03:30] <gnomefreak> yep
[03:30] <gnomefreak> pitti
[03:30] <asac> i think I should take over then
[03:30] <asac> :)
[03:30] <gnomefreak> k
[03:30] <asac> but will ask him
[03:30] <asac> keep it for now
[03:30] <gnomefreak> ok this shouldnt be too bad. ill get back with you if i get stuck
[03:37] <asac> y
[04:05] <gnomefreak> i think its all good :) ill start uploading in a bit
[05:08] <chri1900> hi
[05:09] <chri1900> i got a problem with firefox, can i post it here?
[05:10] <gnomefreak> what type of issue?
[05:11] <chri1900> i want to get media plugins running and i installed some, like vlc plugin or helix plugin using synaptic
[05:12] <gnomefreak> ok and?
[05:12] <gnomefreak> chri1900: this is more of a #ubuntu question
[05:12] <chri1900> about:plugins gives me the info that they are up and runnning but when i go to download actions i se that i dont see nothin
[05:12] <chri1900> and i cant add anythin in the download actions dialog
[05:13] <gnomefreak> chri1900: did you install the codecs to play the file
[05:13] <gnomefreak> s
[05:13] <chri1900> mhh
[05:13] <chri1900> well
[05:14] <chri1900> i did not do it being aware of installing them
[05:14] <chri1900> so this should be my problem
[05:14] <gnomefreak> chri1900: please for ubuntu help join #ubuntu
[05:14] <gnomefreak> this is not a firefox problem
[05:14] <chri1900> ok, but thx a lot man
[05:18] <gnomefreak> asac: build for feisty is complete and uploaded to http://gnomefreak.youmortals.com/Thunderbird-Feisty/Thunderbird-Locales_<IP_ADDRESS>/
[05:18] <gnomefreak> asac: are we building this for edgy too?
[06:57] <asac> no just for feisty
[06:57] <asac> will review tomorrow ... we are going out for the night now :)
[06:57] <asac> thanks a lot
[07:03] <gnomefreak> yw have goot time
[07:03] <gnomefreak> good
[07:32] <jp_> hello
[07:33] <gnomefreak> hi
[07:34] <jp_> is it a good place to ask question about seamonkey ?
[07:35] <jp_> may i ask here ?
[07:36] <gnomefreak> you can i may be only one here atm and i dont know much about it
[07:39] <jp_> ok this is the question: before gnome, i used kde. in konqueror, there is a plugin, allowing you to type "man:<any command you want to know about>", and then a html man page is displayed by the navigator
[07:40] <jp_> for mozilla/seamonkey/firefox is there a way ?
[07:43] <gnomefreak> not that i have seen or heard of and firefox is a no. it brings upa  google search. if i had to guess this is something that kde did to customize konq.
[07:44] <gnomefreak> since konq. if your file manager also
[07:44] <gnomefreak> jp_: to do it in gnome naultius might do it
[07:45] <gnomefreak> there might be an upstream add-on for it but again i doubt it
[07:51] <jp_> ok see you
[07:51] <jp_> gnomefreak: :-)
[09:01] <dfarning> Just wanted to check in and see how things are going;)
[09:03] <dfarning> looks like we have a few new faces!
[09:03] <dfarning> Please feel free to ask any questions
[09:04] <dfarning> And tune in to the ML
[09:37] <gnomefreak> going better than the first 5 days of the week
[09:37] <dfarning> sound like a bad week
[09:37] <dfarning> are you back home?
[09:38] <gnomefreak> dfarning: havent left yet. im leaving around the 1st of march and may be bringing pc up with me but that hasnt been decided yet due to not having a place to set it up
[09:38] <dfarning> I hope everything goes well
[09:39] <gnomefreak> yay im down to 18 ;)
[09:39] <dfarning> down to 18?
[09:39] <gnomefreak> only 18 with mt-retrace tag
[09:39] <dfarning> funny
[09:39] <gnomefreak> started at 50 in the beginning of week
[09:39] <dfarning> great how are the retraces going
[09:39] <gnomefreak> shitty
[09:40] <dfarning> are they usefull
[09:40] <gnomefreak> some are some are about as usful as a cup without a bottom
[09:40] <dfarning> that sucks
[09:40] <dfarning> is the problem missing -dbgsym files
[09:40] <gnomefreak> yep its because we cant get the right versions of -dbgsym packages
[09:41] <gnomefreak> most of it. other reasons are there is no way to tell if 32bit or 64 bit
[09:41] <dfarning> Martin is working on getting space to store the historical files
[09:41] <gnomefreak> i think we need to start asking 32or 64 bit when triaging
[09:41] <gnomefreak> cool
[09:42] <dfarning> that sounds like some apport should report automatically
[09:42] <gnomefreak> they also need to be updated edgy and feisty if possible
[09:42] <dfarning> they?
[09:42] <gnomefreak> it gives uname command but -generic doesnt say 64bit it wil report smp but that doesnt mean anything
[09:42] <gnomefreak> they == dbgsym packages
[09:43] <dfarning> ok
[09:43] <gnomefreak> feistys apport is leaving off coredumps (i plan to ping martin mondayish about that
[09:43] <gnomefreak> but im still getting fairly good retraces on edgys reports
[09:44] <dfarning> I think that is happening if the reporter send a condensended report
[09:44] <gnomefreak> dfarning: apport reports it and attaches them for you
[09:44] <gnomefreak> in feisty
[09:45] <dfarning> Isn't there a send complete or short repot option on the gui
[09:45] <gnomefreak> oh yes there is
[09:45] <gnomefreak> i forgot about that
[09:45] <dfarning> I think the short option cuts off the coredump
[09:46] <dfarning> I'll see if that option can be turned off for fx and tb
[09:46] <gnomefreak> ty i doubt it but ty for trying
[09:46] <dfarning> yea of little faith
[09:47] <gnomefreak> dfarning: im sure its a very general code snipit
[09:47] <dfarning> the ubuntu powers really seem to want the team to succed
[09:47] <gnomefreak> good so do i :)
[09:47] <dfarning> me to:)
[09:48] <gnomefreak> have you heard anything from hjmf recently?
[09:48] <dfarning> not for a few day said he was pretty busy with school
[09:49] <gnomefreak> hmmmm
[09:49] <dfarning> Have you seen any patches from linspire yet
[09:50] <gnomefreak> no and im confused about that. why would linspire be giving mozilla team patches anyway. i thought we were just getting that restricted thingy they have
[09:50] <dfarning> I thought I mailed you about that
[09:51] <dfarning> Will follow up with a email
[09:51] <gnomefreak> ty i might have missed it
[10:09] <gnomefreak> ill bbl gonna finish these retraces before dinner i hope.
[11:16] <gnomefreak> asac: if you get back in the next hour or 2 can you ping me.


[10:43] <rgl> I've deleted an PPA, but it still appears on launchpad (altough on the deleted state) ... is there a really nuke it?
[10:44] <rgl> err is there a way to really nuke it?
[10:44] <arand> rgl: I do not think so, no.
[10:44] <rgl> so I cannot recreate it from scratch?
[10:45] <rgl> this is the first time I'm touching a PPA, I've made several mistakes... I want to start over :|
[10:45] <kklimonda> a] 16
[10:45] <tumbleweed> rgl: #launchpad https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/661
[10:52] <rgl> tumbleweed, oh bummer. so I cannot re-enable a deleted PPA nor nuke it :-(
[10:54] <tumbleweed> rgl: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/392887/comments/42 you might still be able to rename it, then create a new one with the name yuo want
[10:54] <arand> rgl: You can re-enable a deleted one, afaik
[10:58] <rgl> tumbleweed, humm only the display name can be changed :|
[10:59] <tumbleweed> I'd go for re-enabling then
[10:59] <rgl> arand, if I manually add the /+edit I can reenable it ... but the links for "change details" et al do not appear now :(
[10:59] <rgl> arand, I have to always fuzz with the url :|
[11:00] <tumbleweed> seriously though, #launchpad (although it's pretty quiet on weekends and public holidays)
[11:01] <arand> Yea, I remember it being a bit odd..
[16:56] <apparle> guys any idea as to how long it will take for netbeans7 to arrive in natty repos?
[16:57] <tumbleweed> apparle: doesn't look like anyone touched netbeans during natty at all
[16:58] <apparle> tumbleweed: any rough idea, I messed up my project using nb7 in windows and now I can't open it in linux
[16:59] <tumbleweed> apparle: it's too late for it to get into natty now. Someone (you?) could build it in a PPA, or get it into oneric and backport to natty
[17:00] <apparle> tumbleweed: never built a package in my whole life and I'm nearing the project submission, so cannot do it at least for a week
[17:00] <tumbleweed> You can try contacting the previous person who was maintaing it https://launchpad.net/~yulia-novozhilova
[17:01] <tumbleweed> but I'm guessing it's a big complex package, and not something one just produces a new version of quickly
[17:10] <ScottK> I think the usual reaction unless you're experienced with Java packages is to run when confronted with one.
[17:10] <maco> ScottK++
[17:11] <tumbleweed> I think a bit of experience makes you run faster
[17:11] <ScottK> Right, but eventually you get your masochistic streak going and you're trapped.
[19:56] <Laney> Debian GSOC stuff announced for those interested: http://www.milliways.fr/2011/04/25/welcome-to-our-2011-debian-google-summer-of-code-students/
[22:19] <astro73|derrial> is there a way to build my python extension for multiple versions of python, besides the default one?
[22:25] <ia> Hello, everyone. I have a question about packaging python app with modules and will be very appreciate for any clues.
[22:25] <ia> First case. Here example with source code of how it should be (as far as i understand) - https://code.launchpad.net/~iaz/+junk/python-module ; and it really works. I mean, if you build package based on provided debian/ package info (of course, replacing credentials to yours in changelog), then, just right after installation, you will be able to do something like (eg., in python console): from pythonmodule.module_functions import python_module_function; python
[22:25] <ia> _module_function();
[22:25] <tumbleweed> astro73|derrial: that should happen by default, if you let dh build it (assuming you use a setup.py)
[22:26] <ia> Second case. And here - https://code.launchpad.net/~iaz/battery-status/0.1.2 - I have sources with exactly the same structure for python modules and for packaging stuff, and after creating deb package it really contains modules for `pyshared' global dir, but after installation python itself just can't see related module stuff, so on `import' I get "ImportError: No module named batterystatus". But another interesting thing - if installation has been via `sudo
[22:26] <ia> python setup.py install --record files.txt', then related modules is importing as it should right after installation.
[22:26] <ia> So, the question is - could anyone tell me, please, what am I doing wrong for python deb packaging in the second case? Thanks in advance. (Frankly saying, this issue just drive me crazy, because I can't see any errors)
[22:27] <tumbleweed> and I thought I was about to go to a warm cosy bed... /me has a quick look
[22:28] <astro73|derrial> tumbleweed: i do, and I have several versions of python installed, but when I run debuild, the produced .deb says it has to be python 2.6 in the metadata
[22:28] <tumbleweed> astro73|derrial: which release of ubuntu are you building iton?
[22:28] <astro73|derrial> 10.10
[22:29] <tumbleweed> ia: python-scentral is dephrecated, please don't use it. http://wiki.debian.org/Python/PyCentral2DhPython2
[22:29] <tumbleweed> astro73|derrial: 2.6 is th eonly supported version on maverick
[22:29] <astro73|derrial> so even if I have 2.7 installed, it won't build against 2.7?
[22:30] <tumbleweed> ia: but aside from that, lp:~iaz/+junk/python-module builds fine for me
[22:30] <tumbleweed> astro73|derrial: it's not a supported python version on maverick. It is on natty
[22:31] <astro73|derrial> so i have to manage the upgrade just to build my package
[22:31] <tumbleweed> astro73|derrial: if it's being used on maverick, it doesn't need to be built for 2.7.
[22:31] <tumbleweed> astro73|derrial: and you can build for other releases with pbuilder / PPA
[22:32] <astro73|derrial> it's being used on natty, but I don't want to install a dev env on the target machine
[22:32] <tumbleweed> astro73|derrial: set up a pbuilder / chroot, or build it in a PPA
[22:33] <ia> tumbleweed: ok, thanks for deprecation information, but that doesn't solve the issue - I use pycentral in both cases, but in first case it works, and in second (looks like) it doesn't.
[22:33] <astro73|derrial> instructions?
[22:35] <tumbleweed> astro73|derrial: pbuilder-dist create natty; pbuilder-dist build $foo.dsc
[22:35] <tumbleweed> err pbuilder-dist build natty $foo.dsc
[22:36] <astro73|derrial> and what package provides pbuilder-dist?
[22:36] <tumbleweed> ubuntu-dev-tools
[22:37] <astro73|derrial> (the sad part is i'm trying to update a package I previously built. But now it's making me feel like a n00b)
[22:43] <astro73|derrial> pbuilder-dist is going to be a while, isn't it?
[22:44] <tumbleweed> astro73|derrial: yup. You could also just sign your usource package and upload it to a PPA
[22:44] <astro73|derrial> well, it's already on github, and it's got a C extension to build
[22:45] <tumbleweed> PPA is launchpad's personal build service
[22:45] <astro73|derrial> oh, that would be useful
[22:46] <astro73|derrial> i thought it just provided a deb repo
[22:47] <astro73|derrial> is there a document that describes the differences in the control file through revisions? lintian keeps telling me i'm using an "ancient" version of the standard
[22:48] <tumbleweed> /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/upgrading-checklist.txt.gz
[22:54] <ia> tumbleweed: so, any comments about my issue? (don't get me wrong - i'm not insist, just maybe you have some clues)
[22:55] <tumbleweed> ia: sorry, took me a while to work it out. You need to add a line containing only '#DEBHELPER#' to your postinst
[22:55] <tumbleweed> that's where the python-central stuff will be added
[23:01] <astro73|derrial> i feel like i just need to get a dev tutor or something, because i suspect i got a lot of stuff wrong, or at least incorporating creative solutions
[23:01] <astro73|derrial> (i know, not your job)
[23:02] <tumbleweed> yes, having a mentor is a good idea. Unfortunatly the MOTU mentoring program is dormant at the moment.
[23:03] <tumbleweed> but you can almost always ask questions here or in #ubuntu-packaging
[23:03] <astro73|derrial> ok
[23:04] <ia> tumbleweed: wow, great! amazing! thank you, thank you, thanks a lot! :-) I've just rebuilded package, installed it, and it works as should!
[23:05] <tumbleweed> ia: no problem. BTW, it spews out a few screernfulls of errors on instal,l you should probably fix that :)
[23:07] <tumbleweed> wrt mentoring, you're welcome to ask me python questions / to review python packages. I'm happy to help (esp if you intend to maintin the package in debian/ubuntu in which case I'll happily sponsor it)
[23:09] <astro73|derrial> tumbleweed: i'm currently trying to update github.com/astronouth7303/pyinput
[23:10] <astro73|derrial> (i should also go through my code and figure out what I actually want to maintain and package)
[23:19] <ia> tumbleweed: however, this is so unobviousness (i mean #debhelper# in postinst) - but now at least I can googling something related to this use case (eg., http://www.google.ru/search?q=ubuntu+python+packaging+postinst+debhelper - 5th link). So thanks again twice.
[23:20] <tumbleweed> ia: it's mentioned in the debhelper manpage
[23:20] <tumbleweed> ia: and those placeholders are there in the examples provided by dh-make
[23:24] <ia> tumbleweed: oops :-) this is good lesson for me - I should more often and carefully read man pages of using tools
[23:28] <tumbleweed> it's hard to know what to read, though
[23:30] <astro73|derrial> even if someone wrote a big book on debian packaging, i'm not sure it would be enough, given that many languages have their own version
[23:31] <astro73|derrial> (and python packages may or may not be using the debian infrastructure at all!0
[23:32] <tumbleweed> there's a new book in progress: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-packaging-guide (and Debian also has some: http://www.debian.org/doc/ )
[23:32] <tumbleweed> and I'm off to bed


[05:57] <tjaalton> tmpRAOF: hey, can you check the mir patch in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/1418486 and if good I can commit/upload it
[05:58] <tmpRAOF> Man, we need to refactor egl_dri2 so hard :/
[06:01] <tmpRAOF> Hm. Is that actually correct?
[06:01] <tmpRAOF> tjaalton: I'll have breakfast and then try and convince myself that it's not broken.-
[06:04] <tjaalton> oh, in a decent timezone then? :)
[06:04] <tjaalton> ok sounds good
[08:50] <tmpRAOF> tjaalton: Ok, I think that's ok.
[08:54] <tjaalton> cool
[23:17] <FOSS_drivers_FTW> Hello
[23:17] <FOSS_drivers_FTW> is there any reason why xserver-xorg-video-ati is still at 7.4.0 in vivid?
[23:18] <FOSS_drivers_FTW> see:
[23:18] <FOSS_drivers_FTW> http://packages.ubuntu.com/vivid/xserver-xorg-video-ati
[23:18] <FOSS_drivers_FTW> Debian already has 7.5.0, see:
[23:19] <FOSS_drivers_FTW> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=xserver-xorg-video-ati&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[23:20] <FOSS_drivers_FTW> 7.5.0 is the latest version, see:
[23:20] <FOSS_drivers_FTW> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-ati/
[23:20] <FOSS_drivers_FTW> so, is there any reason why vivid is still using an old version? why hasn't the latest version been imported from Debian?
[23:28] <tjaalton> probably not, though there's not much new besides pci-id's
[23:37] <FOSS_drivers_FTW> tjaalton: the wiki says: "Packages that have recently been added to Debian unstable will be automatically synced into Ubuntu prior to the Debian Import Freeze (DIF)."
[23:37] <FOSS_drivers_FTW> see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages
[23:37] <FOSS_drivers_FTW> but obviously that is not the case
[23:38] <FOSS_drivers_FTW> Debian Import Freeze has not occured yet. according to the release schedule it will happen on February 19th, see:
[23:38] <FOSS_drivers_FTW> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseSchedule
[23:40] <FOSS_drivers_FTW> the wiki goes on saying:
[23:40] <FOSS_drivers_FTW> "After the Debian Import Freeze, you will have to file a bug with the summary field "Please sync <packagename> from debian <distro>" where <packagename> is the package you would like to see. Find the date for Debian Import Freeze on the release schedule page. "
[23:41] <FOSS_drivers_FTW> so, what should one do to ensure the package will be synced _before_ DIF?
[23:41] <FOSS_drivers_FTW> filing a bug as well?
[23:41] <FOSS_drivers_FTW> or is it enough to report it here in #ubuntu-x?
[23:46] <tjaalton> that sentence is only true for packages which don't carry a diff
[23:46] <tjaalton> -ati can't be synced, needs a merge instead
[23:46] <tjaalton> what is it you're after anyway? a missing pci-id in the driver?
[23:47] <tjaalton> mlankhorst will probably do a new release closer to FF anyway, and we'll have that (or a snapshot)
[23:55] <FOSS_drivers_FTW> tjaalton: yes, the new pci ids mainly. with "FF" you mean feature freeze? and what do you mean with "snapshot"? do you mean a fresh build from git? yeah, that would be even better of course, as there have already been some more commits after 7.5.0
[23:57] <tjaalton> all ten of them
[23:58] <tjaalton> -ati is not like -intel