[13:56]  * xTEMPLARx runs around and pokes everyone in the room
[13:58] <wrst> ha ha xTEMPLARx
[13:58] <wrst> how are you doing?
[13:58] <xTEMPLARx> gettin better
[13:58] <xTEMPLARx> how's mr. Wrst?
[13:58] <wrst> that's good
[13:59] <wrst> i'm great
[13:59] <wrst> for a monday
[14:04] <xTEMPLARx> about the same
[14:04] <xTEMPLARx> if I had more money in the bank account, life would be a bit less stressful
[14:04] <wrst> you must have done something special musically last night?
[14:05] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i agree on money :)
[14:05] <xTEMPLARx> I watched something... couldn't take place as I'm still coughing and can barely breathe
[14:06] <wrst> that doesn't bold well for music :)
[14:07] <xTEMPLARx> at least not the music coming outa my mouth :D
[14:08] <xTEMPLARx> that's okay though... I'm pretty sure it was meant for me to be quiet and listen for once.
[14:17] <average_guy> hello all.  anything exciting happening?
[14:30] <wrst> hey hey average_guy
[14:31] <wrst> xTEMPLARx:  its good to sit back and relax on occasion
[14:31] <xTEMPLARx> wrst agreed
[14:31] <xTEMPLARx> heya guy
[14:33] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: we have been without a drummer for a while and have i think gotten back in the swing of having one
[14:34] <xTEMPLARx> excellent
[14:34] <xTEMPLARx> hopefully he is a decent drummer
[14:35] <xTEMPLARx> and not the sort that everybody wishes they could ask to step aside, but nobody will do it for fear of alienating him
[14:37] <wrst> oh i don't fear alienating people
[14:37] <wrst> and he is very good
[14:38] <wrst> good musician
[14:43] <xTEMPLARx> excellent :D
[14:44] <wrst> oh yes we try people out before we let them go on stage, guess for us being small that might be being a little selective but i rather err on the side of caution
[14:44] <xTEMPLARx> its hard enough to ask an inept musician to leave a secular band... you don't have the alienation in the church dynamic to worry about
[14:44] <xTEMPLARx> agreed
[14:45] <xTEMPLARx> but in my experience, just by them showing up, if you don't give them a pass to come in, things get awkward afterwards
[14:45] <xTEMPLARx> and thats no fun
[14:45] <wrst> yeah we well we let everyone know on the front end that its not an automatic ticket
[14:54] <xTEMPLARx> that's good
[14:54] <xTEMPLARx> what stinks is when people are good musicians, but just not a fit for the band dynamic
[14:54] <xTEMPLARx> although that person is more likely to take it well
[14:55] <wrst> yeah exactly but they will usually understand
[18:23] <xTEMPLARx> wheee!
[18:24] <xTEMPLARx> wb chris
[18:26] <chris4585> thanks xTEMPLARx
[18:27] <xTEMPLARx> any time
[19:07] <wrst> wb chris4585


[08:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- rikmills, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4800 Failed to build
[19:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mitya57, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4803 Currently building (jammy/qtbase-opensource-src). Dependency wait (jammy/qtdeclarative-opensource-src). Failed to build (jammy/qttools-opensource-src)


[00:01] <GridCube> NSP, mmhm maybe using gigolo?
[00:03] <NSP>  im installing the system-config-samba package, thanks anyway
[00:04] <NSP> im new in xubuntu, i was using slackware for some years ... somethings are a little different :)
[00:04] <GridCube> :D thats to be expected
[00:17] <xubuntu260> HI
[00:17] <xubuntu260> ?
[02:38] <CellTech> Ok. I maxed out the ram for my system. It is an older system. It's now at 1gb and my xubuntu is still slow and lagging. wth could be the issue now?
[02:39] <likemindead> Slow all the time or just certain tasks?
[02:44] <CellTech> Slow all the time
[02:44] <CellTech> Sorry had to take a phone call
[02:44] <likemindead> Processor?
[02:49] <CellTech> 2.4
[02:50] <CellTech> intel 2.4gb, 120gb harddrive, 1gb ram
[02:57] <likemindead> I've got Xubuntu 11.10 running great on just such machines, CellTech.
[03:10] <xubuntu880> necesito ayuda
[03:12] <xubuntu880> hello
[03:17] <jgmdev> hola
[03:17] <jgmdev> creo que deberias usar el canal de xubuntu-es
[03:19] <jgmdev> xubuntu880, aunque por otra parte ese canal esta casi vacio
[03:25] <orangeninja> how can i tell if my /swap partition is mounted? It show 0 of 5105MB used in a panel item right now.
[03:26] <jgmdev> free -m -t
[03:26] <xubuntu880> so i can speak english
[03:27] <xubuntu880> i have a problem with efi in xubuntu
[03:27] <xubuntu880> dont boot
[03:29] <orangeninja> yep, swap: 5105 total, 0 used, 5106 free
[03:29] <orangeninja> so how do I mount it?
[03:30] <jgmdev> well linux doesnt uses swap unless it is really necessary so dont worry if it reads 0 used
[03:31] <jgmdev> in any case the command to mount a swap partition is swapon /dev/to_mount
[03:31] <jgmdev> but it seems you already have it mounted
[03:32] <orangeninja> that might be the case, I am using 4gb ram in this laptop. but I have noticed hangs here and there with mozilla on youtube sometimes so that's what made me think about it.
[03:32] <jgmdev> thats mostly due to flash player
[03:33] <jgmdev> 4gigs is a lot so dont expect the swap to be used if you are doing light work on that laptop
[03:33] <orangeninja> ok, just overzelouse I guess.
[03:33] <jgmdev> maybe the video card drivers are the cause of crashes
[03:34] <orangeninja> yeah, so far pretty light just 4 or 5 tabs open at a time.
[03:34] <orangeninja> no crash, just a few seconds stutter.
[03:35] <orangeninja> what is the nvidia package I need to check? I am using one of there mobile cards 800m I think'
[03:35] <jgmdev> I have tested intel, nvidia and ati and so far intel has the most compatible drivers, then ati and nvidia in my experience with flash player and videos
[03:44] <jgmdev> there are about 3 nvidia packages nvidia-96 for older hardware, nvidia-173 fore newer and nvidia-current I think nvidia-current should work for you but I'm not sure
[03:45] <jgmdev> usually the additional drivers application should assist you on that
[03:46] <jgmdev> System Menu -> Settings -> Additional Drivers
[03:56] <orangeninja> laptop is abot 4 years old. hp dv6775us
[04:02] <jgmdev> the best bet is to use Additional Drivers application since it automatically checks on a database a installs the correct propietary binary driver
[04:03] <jgmdev> you can also go to nvidia.com and download the driver to install manually but kernel upgrade will break it forcing you to reinstall the driver from the terminal
[04:15] <xuserx> hi
[04:16] <xuserx> will xubuntu 12.04 use xfce4.10?
[04:16] <xuserx> :-D
[04:17] <xuserx> xfce 4.10 will be release on April 28th, 2012.
[04:25] <Artemis3> xuserx, i don't think so, but there is a ppa around...
[04:25] <xuserx> ok
[04:31] <ball> Is there any way to get more information about what Xubuntu is doing while it displays the knight-rider/cylon thing on ths splash screen?  I have some data I'd like to rescue and it doesn't look as though it's ever going to get past that.
[04:34] <Artemis3> i would remove "splash" from the grub line, then you could also remove "quiet".
[04:34] <Artemis3> else use the recovery option
[04:35] <Artemis3> just chose boot normaly when the menu appears, it happens to not use splash/quiet
[04:38] <ball> Artemis3: I've no idea how to get to that. I tried hot-keying to a text console, but they're not responding to keystrokes.
[04:38] <ball> :-(
[04:39] <Artemis3> reboot and hold SHIFT, you should see the grub menu, choose the recovery option
[04:39] <Artemis3> after that will come a menu, pick the first choice (iirc) recume normally or something to those lines
[04:40] <orangeninja> thank for the help guys and jgmdev ! have a good one.
[04:40] <jgmdev> bye :)
[04:41] <ball> I never got to the grub menu, but I hit the reset button on the PC and it's now back at the Xubuntu desktop
[04:42] <ball> Next thing I should do is backup the photos I uploaded from a camera this morning.
[04:42] <ball> Thanks for the help Artemis3
[04:42] <Artemis3> when you reboot the machine, you should press shift and keep it pressed until you see the grub menu
[04:43] <Artemis3> pick recovery, when the menu comes, there is an option for fsck all disks, maybe you should do that...
[04:44] <ball> I tried holding down shift, but didn't get the menu. That may be because of my keyboard though.
[04:44] <ball> It's a USB keyboard from an old CRT iMac
[04:44] <Artemis3> ball, in the future dont use reset, try ctrl alt del first (and wait a while), in emergency, push alt sysrq (print screen) keep pushing those 2 keys and type reisub (slowly)
[04:45] <Artemis3> it might be left shift
[04:45] <ball> I tried Ctrl+Alt+Del before resorting to reset
[04:45] <Artemis3> i think there is another one let me check
[05:22] <xubuntu038> Is everyone asleep?
[05:26] <Wizard> hi
[05:48] <tnk1> hi peoples, question... when I lock the screen, the screen goes blank/black as it should, but one section of the screen where there was a youtube video in chrome still SHOWS THE YOUTUBE VIDEO FRAME (nothing else of the chrome page), in the otherwise black/locked monitor! what in the world???
[05:50] <tnk1> that window of chrome isn't even maximized on the desktop or the active tab in that window of chrome!
[05:57] <Wizard> tnk1, do you use OpenGL screensaver?
[05:58] <Wizard> does it happen in other browsers too?
[05:58] <Wizard> s/in/with/
[06:12] <tnk1> Wizard: I have compizconfig up.. how do I tell?
[06:13] <tnk1> Wizard: I actually just went to unclick/disable opengl in compizconfig settings manager, and that whole settings mgr prog crashed.. hm..
[06:13] <tnk1> should I uninstall opengl or compizconfig or something?
[06:13] <Wizard> what has compizconfig to do with screensaver?
[06:13] <Wizard> I didn't say anything like this
[06:13] <tnk1> I don't know. how do I tell if I am using opengl screensaver?
[06:14] <Wizard> 1. which screensaver do you use, 2. does this happen with other browsers?
[06:14] <tnk1> what else screensaver would I be using?
[06:14] <Wizard> check in settings :)
[06:14] <tnk1> where in settings
[06:14] <Wizard> opengl screensavers are named glsomething
[06:14] <Wizard> in screensaver settings
[06:15] <tnk1> I'm literally just using "blank screen only"
[06:16] <Wizard> hmm
[06:17] <Wizard> do you have ati gfx card?
[06:19] <Wizard> since I have no idea why such things happen :)
[06:19] <Wizard> the only thing which I have in mind is this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardware_overlay
[06:20] <tnk1> no. nvidia card. it works fine in previous iterations of xubuntu and kernel.. i updated things today.. fuuh
[06:20] <tnk1> is there a better screensaver program to use instead of xfscreensaver or wahtever xfce naturally uses?
[06:22] <Wizard> gnome screensaver, but I bet problem lies deeper :(
[06:23] <Wizard> if you use blank screen only, than go to xscreensaver settings
[06:24] <Wizard> go to "advanced" tab and select "Quick power-off in blank only mode"
[06:27] <Wizard> dirty workarround :S
[06:27] <tnk1> Wizard: can xfce be made to use the gnome-screensaver once I uninstall xscreensaver?
[06:28] <Wizard> sure, but first try my workarround, this should "help"
[06:28] <tnk1> that's not a viable solutin
[06:28] <tnk1> solution
[06:28] <Wizard> at least video won't be visible
[06:28] <tnk1> that just shuts off the screen saver
[06:28] <tnk1> and monitor
[06:28] <tnk1> yeah, that's not going to work
[06:28] <tnk1> i dont want to be flicking the backlight on it so much
[06:29] <Wizard> ok, than you may try gnome-screensaver, but I don't expect it to work any better
[06:29] <Wizard> hmm
[06:29] <tnk1> how do I get gnome-screensaver to come on automatically wheni n xfce session?
[06:31] <Wizard> hmm
[06:31] <Wizard> good question
[06:37] <Wizard> hmm.. I did it once, just by installing gnome-screensaver and removing xscreensaver
[06:37] <Wizard> btw, they share some packages, so watch out :)
[07:31] <Wizard> tnk1, does it work now?
[08:30] <projekt26> is there a way to upgrade to the 12.04 beta from my 11.10 install?
[08:36] <Wizard> yes, alt+f2, update-manager -d
[08:37] <Wizard> are you willing to help with bugreporting?
[08:38] <projekt26> no I just want to be a hipster using 12.04 before all my friends do :)
[08:38] <projekt26> thanks btw
[08:39] <Wizard> your welcome ;)
[08:40] <Wizard> remember to backup essential files before you start
[08:41] <projekt26> will do
[08:41] <Wizard> knome, is that any better? :>
[08:41] <knome> Wizard, :P
[08:41] <knome> sure
[08:42] <Wizard> I'm so angry, that I'm calm
[08:42] <Wizard> int overflowed
[08:50] <azeam> will 12.04 (well, thunar) have support for ubuntu one?
[08:52] <knome> no
[08:52] <azeam> ok, thanks
[10:24] <Kaapa> hello
[10:24] <Kaapa> is there a way to change the timezone without logging out / in?
[10:40] <Wizard> sure
[10:41] <Wizard> http://mylinuxnotebook.blogspot.com/2008/07/changing-ubuntu-time-zone.html
[10:41] <Wizard> here you are, Kaapa
[10:42] <Wizard> hmm
[10:44] <Kaapa> Wizard: lemme try - I just don't want to relogin
[10:45] <Kaapa> nah, I've done that
[10:45] <Kaapa> actually
[10:45] <Wizard> and what, nothing?
[10:45] <Wizard> so, what does date say now?
[10:46] <Kaapa> same
[10:48] <Kaapa> doesnm change
[10:48] <Kaapa> bah
[10:57] <Wizard> hmm
[11:37] <xubuntu278> i have hardware of P-IV 2.0 and 512 MB ram
[11:37] <xubuntu278> will xubuntu work well on it
[11:40] <Wizard> it should
[11:40] <Wizard> oop
[16:12] <xubuntu5> when playing back a full 1080p video i see motion blur like horizontal lines going up and down ever so slightly during high impact scenes
[16:39] <bepebe> hello, my scrolling seems to be very fast in all aspects of windows that can scroll. I have a tweak for Firefox that slows it down, but browsing folders, or other applications results in very erratic scrolling if the slightest move on the scroll wheel
[17:16] <bepebe> Hello, I am trying to delete folders from a NTFS permission, and I am getting a "Unable to find or create wastebasket directory" error - http://i40.tinypic.com/2637evp.png can anybody help ?
[17:19] <baizon> bepebe: try shift+del
[17:21] <bepebe> baizon, thanks, does that mean they do not go to the wastebasket at all? do I need to set permissions on the wastebasket to allows the NTFS partition to write to it ?>
[17:23] <baizon> there seems to be a problem with your trash
[17:23] <baizon> check if the directory is there
[17:24] <baizon> http://wiki.xfce.org/faq
[17:24] <baizon> there you got it
[17:25] <bepebe> yeah folder is there
[17:25] <baizon> there? ~/.local/share/Trash/files
[17:25] <bepebe> yeah
[17:27] <baizon> so, the sollution for your problem is...
[17:27] <bepebe> delete it and re-create it ?
[17:27] <baizon> Step 1:open thunar as root
[17:27] <baizon> Step 2:go to home/.local/share
[17:27] <baizon> Step 3:change permissions on Thrash folder (and all folders inside,of course)
[17:28] <baizon> damn battlefield finishd loading
[17:28] <baizon> bepebe: or
[17:29] <bepebe> changed the permissions and still the same
[17:29] <baizon> bepebe: then this sollution is right
[17:29] <baizon> Make a directory in the root of the NTFS drive with the name  .Trash-[your user id number].  Typically, that would be '.Trash-1000'  but you can type 'id' in a terminal to check.
[17:29] <baizon> In the terminal:  sudo chown -R [your user name]:users  .Trash-[your user id number]
[17:29] <baizon> par example:
[17:29] <baizon> mkdir .Trash-1000
[17:29] <baizon> sudo chown -R admin:users .Trash-1000
[17:29] <f11f12> how can I disable the automount "feature"?
[17:30] <baizon> f11f12: settings
[17:31] <f11f12> not the file manager popup, I really want to stop if from mounting
[17:31] <baizon> why that?
[17:32] <f11f12> because I'd like to have raw access (I have a udev rule that calls a script)
[17:32] <baizon> f11f12: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount/USB
[17:32] <baizon> this?
[17:32] <f11f12> well this disables only the file viewer to open...
[17:33] <f11f12> it still gets mounted on /media/...
[17:33] <bepebe> baizon, the latter fixes the error, but does a permanent delete (like a shift+delete) I'd ideally like the option to restore if possible..
[17:35] <baizon> bepebe: i think its a bug
[17:35] <baizon> but im not sure
[17:35] <baizon> workd with xfce 4.6
[17:35] <bepebe> as far as I am aware, I'm on 4.6 - I appreciate your help nonetheless
[17:36] <baizon> f11f12: http://superuser.com/questions/69155/disable-automounting-in-ubuntu
[17:36] <baizon> that?
[17:36] <baizon> bepebe: sorry not using mixed ntfs that much
[17:37] <f11f12> baizon: I gave up, my rules file now unmounts it :-)
[17:39] <baizon> hehe ok
[17:39] <Wizard> hi
[18:09] <Ahix> Hi everyone. I got a question: I'm using pidgin on a xubuntu-like desktop but i have no idea how to use the webcam and microphone in it... help ?
[18:09] <Xubuntu> Hey...  So, try to log in to recovery to copy the backup file but the system tells me that it's a read only file syste... "su cp x.conf.back x.conf"?
[18:10] <Wizard> Ahix, xubuntu-like?
[18:10] <Wizard> Xubuntu, sudo cp...
[18:11] <Wizard> btw, why do you need xorg.conf?
[18:11] <Ahix> Wizard, yeah i'm running "voyager 11.10"
[18:11] <Artemis3> Ahix, sounds like a job for... #pidgin? ;)
[18:11] <Wizard> voyager? :D
[18:11] <Artemis3> the final frontier...
[18:11] <Ahix> Artemis3, didn't knew that chann' exist :D
[18:12] <baizon> xubuntu: boot from livecd than mount and change it
[18:12] <Xubuntu> because the x system won't start and it's log file tells me something about the x.conf file is broken (I'm booted to windows now 'cuz I needed to get some work done so I don't remember exactly what the problem was)
[18:13] <baizon> Ahix: http://www.ehow.com/how_8624219_detect-webcam-xubuntu.html
[18:13] <baizon> and check dmesg for errors or something like that
[18:15] <Artemis3> i would try the camera with cheese first, and if it works then comes the part of making it work with pidgin
[18:15] <baizon> Artemis3: yes the same thing is on the link i posted :D
[18:15] <Ahix> baizon, Tanks i'll check this out
[18:16] <baizon> i just was to lazy to write it :D
[18:16] <baizon> np
[18:58] <hhbjjhb> how do I share files and folders with a windows pc without manually editing samba config?
[19:00] <hhbjjhb> Settings -> Personal File Sharing  says "this feature cannot be enabled because the required packages are not installed on your system". what is required besides the samba package?
[19:01] <dahm> Hi everyone! I have just installed Xubuntu 11.10 on an old laptop and can't get Flash to work on Firefox although I've tried every possible installation with Flash-aid. Can you help? Be aware that I'm a newbie in the linux world ;-) Thx
[19:02] <hhbjjhb> nevermind
[19:06] <Wizard> dahm, installing flashplugin-installer package usually helps
[19:06] <Wizard> ;)
[19:08] <dahm> Wizard, via Synaptic package manager ?
[19:08] <baizon> dahm: yes or terminal
[19:09] <dahm> remember i'm a newbie ;-) i'll try the manager first unless you have a command I can copy
[19:09] <baizon> dahm: ok, so type in the terminal... sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[19:09] <baizon> then enter your password :)
[19:11] <dahm> thx, I got 2 errors messages but it's in french so that won't help you. how can i switch to the english interface?
[19:13] <Pici> dahm: LANG=C sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[19:13] <dahm> no that's ok, it was because i had left the manager open, it's running now
[19:17] <dahm> ok, installation flashplugin-installer worked fine but still no flash in firefox
[19:20] <baizon> dahm: is something present in the plugins / addons tab?
[19:20] <dahm> which tab? in firefox?
[19:21] <baizon> yes
[19:21] <baizon> extras
[19:21] <baizon> addons
[19:21] <baizon> then plugins
[19:21] <baizon> dahm: which version of xubuntu do you got 32 or 64?
[19:22] <dahm> baizon : 32 bits
[19:23] <dahm> baizon: i don't have the same menus in french but i found a screen to manage plugins : it says more or less "plugin currently being used : shockwave flash adobe flash player (installer)"
[19:24] <baizon> so flash is installed
[19:24] <dahm> if i look at all plugins there's also a futuresplash player adobe flash player not currently used
[19:25] <baizon> so enable it
[19:26] <baizon> type in the adress bar about:plugins
[19:26] <baizon> and check for flash
[19:26] <baizon> http://nxadm.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/about_plugins.png
[19:26] <baizon> like this
[19:29] <dahm> ok, i got the screen. the info is very similar to your screenshot. do you need to know the differences?
[19:29] <baizon> yes
[19:29] <baizon> upload it :D
[19:29] <Wizard> :)
[19:30] <mcdonc_> i know gnome 3 is meant to have a screen recorder built into it.. it doesnt appear that it works under gnome session in 12.04 though, is there any trick to enable it?
[19:30] <baizon> mcdonc_: wrong channel ^^
[19:31] <Wizard> seem so ^^
[19:31] <baizon> 1. no gnome 3 support here, 2. no ubuntu support
[19:31] <Guest69790> Hello! Anybody speak Russian?
[19:31] <baizon> no
[19:31] <dahm> i'm chatting on a different pc ;-) differences: file says only libflashplayer.so, shockwave flash 11.2r202 and no "enabled" column
[19:32] <bazhang> !ru
[19:32]  * Wizard a bit
[19:32] <bazhang> Guest69790, ^
[19:32] <baizon> dahm: indeed
[19:32] <baizon> so check addons for enabled
[19:33] <dahm> how do i dpo that?
[19:33] <mcdonc_> baizon: sure enough, sorry!
[19:33] <baizon> mcdonc_: no problem :)
[19:33] <baizon> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mHqAnkQGhkE/S9wvuKmBzJI/AAAAAAAAHaw/GiCn0tOZf7s/s1600/screenshot_025.png
[19:34] <baizon> this window (or in this case it will be a tab) you need
[19:34] <baizon> there will be a enable / disable button. check it
[19:36] <dahm> ok, in this screen  i find only 2 add-ons : icedtea-web plugin and shockwave flash, no futureSplash, do i disable Shockwave?
[19:36] <baizon> no
[19:36] <baizon> are they enabled
[19:36] <Wizard> hmm
[19:36] <dahm> yes, i suppose since the only button is "diable"
[19:37] <dahm> disable
[19:37] <baizon> so flash is installed :)
[19:37] <baizon> it should work
[19:37] <Wizard> hmm
[19:37] <dahm> fine, i'm happy to know it :-D
[19:37] <baizon> check with youtube
[19:38] <dahm> yes, it's how i tested it from the beginning but always black screen in youtube
[19:38] <Unit193> Additionally, you can use the HTML5 trial of youtube. http://youtube.com/html5
[19:39] <baizon> yeah im using it
[19:39] <baizon> love html5 :)
[19:40] <dahm> no change with html5
[19:40] <dahm> ah no, it works
[19:40] <baizon> very good
[19:40] <baizon> job done
[19:44] <dahm> thanks! but it's working for some videos and not others! maybe it's a question of performance: when it works, the video is not smooth
[19:44] <baizon> dahm: disable HD
[19:44] <baizon> flash for linux is just crap
[19:45] <dahm> how do i do that? fyi my laptop is old, that's why i installed xubuntu
[19:46] <baizon> dahm: dont use it or on youtube use max 480p
[19:46] <baizon> i got performance problems with my dual-core cpu with 720p
[19:47] <dahm> :-( first thing first, how do i disable HD?
[19:48] <baizon> like i said, on youtube it is the lower right corner
[19:48] <baizon> there you can change it
[19:48] <baizon> in some cases you cant change it
[19:49] <dahm> yes, i've seen in other instances, on other pcs, but not here
[19:49] <baizon> it has to be there
[19:51] <dahm> i have four buttons in the lower right corner : parameters, clock, small player, big player, full screen
[19:51] <ThePendulum1> Greetings
[19:52] <dahm> and only on videos that work (with bad performances) on those with black screen it's really black, nothing, no button.  Now... I need to add the proper extension to each file. Is there a way to bulk-do this?
[19:52] <dahm> sorry, html5?
[19:55] <dahm> i've changed screen resolution to 640x480, no change for those youtube videos which don't even start loading
[19:55] <baizon> dahm: you can do that :)
[19:57] <bepebe> is there a xfce gui menu editor ?
[19:57] <baizon> bepebe: yes
[19:57] <ThePendulum1> baizon: It isn't any good, now is it?
[19:58] <baizon> bepebe: alacarte
[19:58] <baizon> bepebe: but it only works with >= xubuntu 12.04
[19:58] <knome> s/works/works perfectly/
[19:58] <bepebe> baizon, have to wait couple of days then, thanks once again..
[19:59] <dahm> works better with html5 ;-)
[19:59] <baizon> np
[20:00] <dahm> "np"? what does it mean?
[20:00] <knome> "no problem"
[20:00] <baizon> np = no problem
[20:00] <dahm> :-)
[20:00] <baizon> too lazy to write the whole words :P
[20:00] <xubuntu992> HI guys
[20:01] <knome> hullo
[20:01] <dahm> well, we've established my flash player was a performance problem... No other idea to improve the performance? change of browser?
[20:02] <knome> dahm, well yeah, firefox takes quite a lot of memory, so you could try that
[20:02] <baizon> ThePendulum1: http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/working-with-files-and-folders
[20:03] <baizon> dahm: that wont help
[20:03] <baizon> flash is just bad
[20:03] <baizon> when you have weak hardware
[20:03] <baizon> but you can try chromium
[20:04] <xubuntu992> I'll install the today build (23/04), if I use this, no seria necesario por que actualizar con la iso de la version final, ¿verdad?
[20:04] <knome> baizon, well firefox easily takes 500MB...
[20:04] <knome> xubuntu992, english please
[20:04] <baizon> yes indeed
[20:04] <xubuntu992> I'll install the today build (23/04), if I use this, would not be necessary because the iso update the final version, right?
[20:04] <dahm> but flash is everywhere :-( that's a major setback for me to switch to linux :-( my lapto has 512MB
[20:04] <baizon> xubuntu992: no
[20:04] <baizon> you will be fine
[20:05] <baizon> it will update to the final
[20:05] <xubuntu992> yes, sorry knome
[20:05] <ThePendulum1> baizon: Kudos for understanding that
[20:05] <xubuntu992> thanks baizon
[20:05] <knome> xubuntu992, no problem
[20:05] <baizon> dahm: yes but if you install windows xp then flash wont work either
[20:06] <ThePendulum1> baizon: Thanks, but I can't really find a way to solve the issue
[20:06] <baizon> "open with..."?
[20:06] <xubuntu992> leave it installed version today, so I avoid the collapse of the servers
[20:06] <baizon> then it will be default for all files
[20:07] <xubuntu992> thanks !
[20:07] <baizon> xubuntu992: np
[20:07] <ThePendulum1> baizon: That won't add the proper extension I'm afraid. I am using a program that can't recognize the files if there's no visual extension
[20:07] <knome> ThePendulum1, i suppose it'll take some bash scripting
[20:07] <dahm> ok, thanks for everything baizon and the others
[20:12] <baizon> ok next attempt to run my game :P
[20:12] <baizon> ups wrong chan, sorry
[20:13] <jo___> Hi. I have a question. Will Xubuntu 12.04 x86_64 recognize quad core cpu, and 8 GB ram memory???
[20:13] <baizon> jo___: yes
[20:14] <jo___> baizon_,Thanks. Are you sure?
[20:14] <bepebe> what would you people say is better on personal preference, xubuntu or lubuntu ?
[20:14] <knome> bepebe, depends what you want
[20:14] <Unit193> It's all in the user.
[20:15] <Unit193> And the hardware as well I suppose.
[20:15] <knome> jo___, be assured, it will be recognized
[20:15] <dekkz_laptop> only used xubuntu so cant say
[20:15] <bepebe> well I have very decent hardware quad core and 4 gb of ram
[20:15] <knome> bepebe, xubuntu is more user-friendly
[20:15] <bepebe> I'm liking Xubuntu, and have tried Mint LXDE (but didn't like that much - seemed buggy)
[20:16] <knome> bepebe, lubuntu will work on less resources, but you probably wouldn't notice the difference with that HW
[20:16] <Unit193> Simple, make a live and see what you like.
[20:16] <baizon> bepebe: xubuntu
[20:16] <dahm> bye
[20:16] <ThePendulum1> bepebe: With an X4 and 4GB of RAM, Xubuntu.
[20:16] <Unit193> (Also, remember you're asking in #xubuntu, more will say Xubuntu)
[20:17] <knome> so true.
[20:17] <bepebe> ;) thanks all
[20:18] <bepebe> and if i have 12.04 beta 2 installed, i can just run update manager on the day and be up to date like i just installed fresh from the iso on the "official release day" ?
[20:19] <baizon> bepebe: yes
[20:19] <baizon> like jo_____ asked
[20:19] <bepebe> thanks
[20:19] <baizon> np
[20:19] <jo___> baizon_,i'm sorry,what have you  wrote last,my internet has dropped out suddenly
[20:20] <baizon> jo___: <knome> jo___, be assured, it will be recognized
[20:21] <baizon> and +1 for me with that statement
[20:21] <jo___> baizon_,Thanks again, that's all i'm been interested in
[20:22] <baizon> ok, np :)
[20:22] <dekkz_laptop> any ubuntu based distro is usually good at handling newer hardware
[20:22] <baizon> indeed
[20:24] <dekkz_laptop> personally i'm running xubuntu desktop on what was originally ubuntu 11.10
[20:24] <dekkz_laptop> its better ui and uses less resources
[20:25] <baizon> thats why i switchd
[20:25] <baizon> like the simple ui
[20:25] <dekkz_laptop> reminds me of motif in someways
[20:26] <baizon> hmm
[20:26] <dekkz_laptop> finger trouble?
[20:27] <baizon> no no
[20:27] <baizon> just wonderinf why +f
[20:27] <knome> toe?
[20:28] <baizon> and forwarding to xubuntu-unregged
[20:28] <bepebe> see you in a bit chaps, installing 12.04
[20:28] <Pici> baizon: there are no other modes that trigger that forward though.
[20:29] <baizon> Pici: +F
[20:29] <baizon> +f (forward on uninvited)
[20:29] <baizon> +F (enable forwarding)
[20:30] <dekkz_laptop> hmm so hows xubuntu 12.04 beta 2 treating people?
[20:30] <Pici> baizon: er, no. see /quote help cmode, and there is no +i or +r or whatever to have the +f actually trigger, its there to save time when we do have to make those mode changes.
[20:31] <Unit193> +f - (Forward uninvited.) - Forwards users who cannot join because of +i, +j, +l or +r.  None of those are set, but if there is an attack, makes it nicer.
[20:32] <baizon> ok
[20:32] <baizon> now i understand
[20:32] <knome> maybe take to -ops if you want to continue :)
[20:36] <dekkz_laptop> thats killed convo
[20:38] <dekkz_laptop> does 12.04 use more resource than 11.10
[20:39] <baizon> not really
[20:40] <dekkz_laptop> good
[20:40] <dekkz_laptop> guess ill be hitting the updater -d next week
[20:41] <baizon> do that :)
[20:41] <knome> won't do anything
[20:41] <knome> -d is just for development versions
[20:41] <knome> in a week precise is not dev
[20:41] <dekkz_laptop> ahh
[20:42] <dekkz_laptop> so update will automatically offer precise as update
[20:43] <knome> yup
[20:43] <baizon> if your settings are configured for "any new release" and not LTS
[20:43] <baizon> ou damn
[20:43] <knome> should do that in any case
[20:43] <baizon> it is a LTS. So it will update
[20:44] <dekkz_laptop> isnt precise a lts
[20:44] <knome> if you are in 11.10 or 10.04
[20:44] <baizon> sorry i forgot :D
[20:44] <dekkz_laptop> 11.10 here
[20:47] <martinphone> how do I get information about the mobo?
[20:48] <knome> lshw
[20:51] <xubuntu5> how can i fix hdmi tearing issue when i hook it up to my 60"?
[20:54] <GridCube> xubuntu5, do you have your proper video drivers?
[20:57] <xubuntu5> i believe so gridcube
[20:57] <xubuntu5> it's on my laptop
[20:57] <xubuntu5> how can i check it's an integrated card with hdmi out
[20:58] <GridCube> xubuntu5, if you want to know what video card you have you do : lspci | grep "VGA"
[20:59] <xubuntu5> GridCube
[20:59] <xubuntu5> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GF108 [GeForce GT 430] (rev a1)
[20:59] <GridCube> if you want to know if you have drivers for that automagically run: gksu jockey-gtk
[21:00] <xubuntu5> oop
[21:00] <xubuntu5> ooops that's on the comp i'm now now let me get it for the laptop
[21:02] <xubuntu5> GridCube, 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)
[21:03] <xubuntu5> gksu jockey-gtk seems to be ok
[21:05] <Guest94086> Hi I am having a problem with xubuntu, and can't seem to find the solution online
[21:06] <GridCube> !ask
[21:06] <xubuntu5> GridCube any idea why it might be giving me tearing issues? refresh rate xrandr reasons? vlc issues?
[21:07] <GridCube> xubuntu5, might be any of those, or none
[21:07] <GridCube> try changing settings using aranrd
[21:07] <xubuntu5> i have b een darn i cannot figure it out it seems to be these horizontal tears during high motion
[21:08] <dekkz_laptop> player?
[21:08] <xubuntu5> vlc
[21:08] <GridCube> try other media players, i particularly like smplayer, as a mplayer front end, but its qt,
[21:08] <xubuntu5> i tried parole too
[21:08] <xubuntu5> does mplayer have a gui?
[21:08] <baizon> xubuntu5: yes
[21:08] <GridCube> many
[21:08] <baizon> gnome-mplayer
[21:08] <baizon> smplayer
[21:08] <xubuntu5> oooh
[21:09] <baizon> mplayer-gui
[21:09] <xubuntu5> will try smplayer
[21:09] <xubuntu5> oooh
[21:09] <baizon> i use smplayer
[21:09] <GridCube> me too
[21:09] <GridCube> i like it better
[21:09] <xubuntu5> more than VLC?
[21:09] <GridCube> yes
[21:09] <xubuntu5> i will check it out
[21:09] <xubuntu5> thanks gridcube
[21:09] <Guest94086> when booting my laptop I get to the login screen and can't login to my usual username, but can boot into a guest account. The guest account does not have access to my home directory files (stored on a seperate partition). When I try to boot into my username I get a message about "mountall: plymouth command failed". Any help would be appreciated.
[21:09] <dekkz_laptop> try diff player to see if u get same tearing
[21:09] <xubuntu5> thanks guys
[21:10] <GridCube> xubuntu5, you could try xine as well
[21:10] <xubuntu5> xine hmm
[21:10] <xubuntu5> ok
[21:10] <xubuntu5> thanks!
[21:10] <GridCube> no problem
[21:10] <GridCube> Guest94086, go to a tty, press ctrl-alt-F1, log in with your main user account
[21:11] <GridCube> then delete this files: rm .Xauthority   and this one: rm .Xdefaults
[21:12] <GridCube> then go to the lightdm log in screen, press ctrl-alt-F7 and try to log in again
[21:12] <Guest94086> ok that will boot me off this session.. I can log back in here from another machine shortly to let you know how it works... Thank you gridcube.
[21:14] <xubuntu5> maybe even try changing lightdm.conf to allow automatic login
[21:16] <xubuntu5> GridCube, smplayer supports mkv m2ts all that good stuff?
[21:16] <GridCube> should do, its an mplayer frontend
[21:17] <xubuntu5> got it!
[21:18] <GridCube> >MPlayer is a movie player which runs on many systems (see the documentation). It plays most MPEG/VOB, AVI, Ogg/OGM, VIVO, ASF/WMA/WMV, QT/MOV/MP4, RealMedia, Matroska, NUT, NuppelVideo, FLI, YUV4MPEG, FILM, RoQ, PVA files, supported by many native, XAnim, and Win32 DLL codecs. You can watch VideoCD, SVCD, DVD, 3ivx, DivX 3/4/5, WMV and even H.264 movies.
[21:18] <dekkz_laptop> does h264 mean blueray
[21:18] <GridCube> http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/info.html
[21:20] <GridCube> see the "news" section for bluray info dekkz_laptop
[21:21] <dekkz_laptop> hmmm
[21:22] <dekkz_laptop> guess thats a no then
[21:22] <dekkz_laptop> no matter as i dont own any
[21:25] <xubuntu5> h.264 is a compression of blu-ray
[21:25] <xubuntu5> with very little loss of quality and used in a variety of applications
[21:26] <xubuntu5> deekz_laptop
[21:26] <xubuntu5> smplayer still some tearing but i think it might be slightly better
[21:27] <dekkz_laptop> cables ok?
[21:27] <xubuntu5> ya hdmi cables are good
[21:27] <xubuntu5> monoprice cables
[21:27] <dekkz_laptop> swapped around?
[21:27] <xubuntu5> the ends?
[21:28] <dekkz_laptop> no have u more than 1
[21:28] <xubuntu5> oh ya i got a bunch
[21:28] <xubuntu5> i could try others
[21:28] <xubuntu5> i can try
[21:28] <dekkz_laptop> start wi simple stuff
[21:31] <dekkz_laptop> then check u have latest vid drivers, does it support hd400
[21:32] <dekkz_laptop> hd4000
[21:33] <xubuntu5> have latest driver i think
[21:33] <xubuntu5> how do i check hd400?
[21:35] <dekkz_laptop> what chipset is it? should say on lappys webpage
[21:37] <dekkz_laptop> hmm series 4 isnt hd series integrated graphics
[21:44] <grifo74> hello i have one pc witl intel graphic card. how i install 3d drivers or opengl supertuxcar dont work?
[21:46] <xubuntu5> how do i disable all desktop effects?
[21:47] <dekkz_laptop> like window transparency?
[22:08] <GridCube> xubuntu5, >settings manager >Window manager settings, its the one with the magic wand icon
[22:54] <craigbass1976> Is there a way to tell xfce that when I hit Shift+numpad1 (on a laptop keyboard) that I want it to be doing Shift+End and not 1 ?
[23:31] <GridCube> craigbass1976, this might lead you somewhere http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/howto/edit_keyboard_shortcuts
[23:35] <chrstphrhrt> hey, anyone know if the boot splash changed with the new branding?
[23:36] <GridCube> a bit, yes
[23:37] <GridCube> not much
[23:37] <GridCube> new branding and stuff
[23:37] <chrstphrhrt> cool
[23:37] <xubuntu5> what is the hotkey for fullscreen on smplayer
[23:37] <chrstphrhrt> i love the new branding/logo
[23:37] <chrstphrhrt> never was so hot on the forest graphics
[23:37] <GridCube> f
[23:38] <xubuntu5> gridcube i turned off the compositor in the magic wand and it seems to fix the issues of tearing! and i'm using smplayer now!
[23:38] <xubuntu5> just f?
[23:38] <GridCube> yep
[23:38] <xubuntu5> wow it is just f
[23:38] <xubuntu5> i was doing f11 f12 alt enter ctrl enter and it's just f thanks!
[23:39] <GridCube> :P you can edit it
[23:39] <xubuntu5> heh true
[23:39] <xubuntu5> thanks again!
[23:40] <xubuntu5> it was the xfce compositor causing the tearing!
[23:40] <GridCube> :D
[23:40] <GridCube> it happens
[23:41] <GridCube> video drivers for linux arent that good
[23:41] <GridCube> :/ sadly
[23:42] <CellTech> Any other xubuntu volume control?  I liked that one a lot
[23:44] <GridCube> dunno
[23:45] <CellTech> I'll find out. thank you


[00:28] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3 @arraybolt3:matrix.org: Not seeing your changes reflected in the PR
[00:28] <arraybolt3[m]> Eh? I can see them, hold on one sec...
[00:28] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Can you see the "Prepared for merge with Lubuntu" commit underneath the instructions you gave me?
[00:29] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): It's showing up in Falkon for me.
[00:30]  * arraybolt3[m] uploaded an image: (29KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/AGtddMzBOFXOouokQmTGXhIl/image.png >
[00:30] <tsimonq2> Hmmm
[00:30] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): If I click on the words "Prepared for merge with Lubuntu", I get a list of diffs showing the changes.
[00:31] <tsimonq2> Merged.
[00:31] <tsimonq2> Dan Simmons: feel free to upload if you get to it first
[00:32] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Thank you!  There's still a lot to come. Just wait until you get to have fun with symbols. ;)
[00:38] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3 @arraybolt3:matrix.org: https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/lubuntu-dev/
 "Dan Simmons: feel free to upload..." <- I don't have any power.
[00:41] <kc2bez[m]> We had some storms roll through. One of the poles down the street is broken in half. It might be a little while.
[00:43] <arraybolt3[m]> Dan Simmons: Good grief, are you OK? We had a storm come through where we live the other day that spun off tornadoes that destroyed a town states away.
[00:43] <arraybolt3[m]> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Western_Kentucky_tornado
[00:44] <tsimonq2> kc2bez[m]: All good
[00:44] <tsimonq2> Half of Green Bay doesn't have power either
[00:44] <kc2bez[m]> We are all safe here, there were some tornadoes spotted a couple of towns over but none here that I know of.
[00:44] <tsimonq2> We're still under a state of emergency in Brown Counties
[00:44] <tsimonq2> s/Counties/County/
[00:45] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Man. Over where I'm at, we had a lot of rain for a few days and now baking heat, but no disasters. Sorry this is happening to you two!
[00:46] <tsimonq2> At least *our house* didn't lose power :)
[00:46] <tsimonq2> Dan Simmons: I gotchu though, will upload in a bit
[00:47] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3 @arraybolt3:matrix.org: If you still have interest in Backports feel free to work on that in the meantime
[00:47] <tsimonq2> And of course, ping with any questions :)
[00:47] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Definitely. I'm wrapping up the Ubuntu Studio PipeWire integration (got the easy 75% done, now about to fight with the hard 25%).
[00:48] <arraybolt3[m]> Once that's done, the backports project is next on my list.
[00:48] <kc2bez[m]> Nice
[00:48] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3 @arraybolt3:matrix.org: Sounds good! That Eickmeyer @eickmeyer:matrix.org guy may know just a little bit about Studio, just maybe a little bit. :P
[00:49] <arraybolt3[m]> LOL man, he saved me from a total goof I made during the UEFI patch building.
[02:29] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Congratulations on your second upload :)
[02:29] <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calamares/3.3.0~git20220610-0ubuntu2
[03:09] <tsimonq2> Sometimes I have too much fun with changelog entries. ;)
[03:09] <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm-qt/1.1.0-0ubuntu3
[03:09] <tsimonq2> lynorian_: ^^^^^
[03:09]  * tsimonq2 does not know Lyn's current nick, checks Telegram
 @lynorian ^^^
[03:10] <arraybolt3[m]> LOL
[03:10] <tsimonq2> I remember when that project was maybe a page or two I wrote in high school... now look at how great it is :D
[03:11] <tsimonq2> Lyn has done an AMAZING job
[03:11] <tsimonq2> Completely knocked it out of the park
[03:11] <arraybolt3[m]> It's always so awesome when everything's working and everyone's working together well.
[03:11] <tsimonq2> Definitely. No matter how active any of us have been, one thing I've come to count on is that Lyn somehow still chugs away at that manual in the background :)
[03:12] <tsimonq2> It's amazing, I appreciate her a lot. She's one of the OGs
[03:15] <tsimonq2> (In fact, she should pop her head out more ;) )
[03:15] <tsimonq2> And, maybe we should start having weekly meetings again...
[03:16] <tsimonq2> hmm did I get the right twitter handle? I hope so...
[03:24] <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/22.10.3
[03:24] <tsimonq2> That upload compliments pcmanfm-qt.
[03:30] <tsimonq2> https://github.com/lxqt/pcmanfm-qt/issues/1603
 yes that is me on twitter
[03:31] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: You gonna be up fairly late to test this respin or nah?
[03:31] <tsimonq2> lynorian: Good, thanks. :)
[03:31] <arraybolt3[m]> Definitely able to test the respin.
[03:32] <arraybolt3[m]> I stay up until 3 to 5 AM almost every night.
[03:32] <tsimonq2> Alright, let's give everything an hour or two to settle down.
[03:32] <tsimonq2> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html
[03:32] <tsimonq2> We're looking for calamares, libfm-qt, and lubuntu-default-settings to show up.
[03:33] <tsimonq2> (They'll show up once even if they just migrate right away.)
[03:33] <tsimonq2> I don't think any of those packages have autopkgtests, could be wrong.
[03:33] <tsimonq2> Anyway, once that's done, waiting for it to be published for at least 15-30 minutes before the respin.
[03:33] <tsimonq2> That takes another 30-45 minutes. Then the download time (I would suggest zsync.)
[03:34] <arraybolt3[m]> Do I need to be constantly checking it to see if it pops up, 'cause it will disappear at some point? Or will it appear and then stay there?
[03:34] <tsimonq2> update_excuses.html will only update once every hour.
[03:34]  * tsimonq2 wishes it was faster but oh well...
[03:34] <arraybolt3[m]> (I always zsync, makes my 300 KBps - 1 MBps connection way happier to deal with.)
[03:34] <arraybolt3[m]> (Those being kiloBytes and megaBytes per second, not bits.)
[03:35] <tsimonq2> $ date -u
[03:35] <tsimonq2> Fri Jun 17 03:34:45 AM UTC 2022
[03:35] <tsimonq2> Generated: 2022.06.17 02:29:47 +0000
[03:35] <tsimonq2> So the next Britney run should be happening nowish. Unfortunately that means another hour before everything migrates. I'd check back at about 12:30-12:45 central
[03:36] <tsimonq2> oh wait perhaps I forgot to change the tz back on my computer oops
[03:36] <tsimonq2> I was gonna say, that doesn't add up lol...
[03:36] <tsimonq2> Okay you get the point 😆
[03:37] <arraybolt3[m]> 👍
[03:38] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Also, another thing to add to your list if you're interested...
[03:38] <tsimonq2> featherpad needs an update to the newest release, see this discussion for issues I came across: https://github.com/tsujan/FeatherPad/discussions/657
[03:39] <tsimonq2> Not to give you a whole list right away, if there's something you'd rather me JFD, just say the word :)
[03:40] <arraybolt3[m]> Nah, I love doing tons of Linux stuff. I will need tons of help figuring out what I'm doing if we want it done in anything like a timely fashion, since some of this stuff is insanely complicated, but once I get it, I should be able to get faster. Thank you for this!
[03:42] <tsimonq2> Of course, I've done it so many times that I'd rather sponsor :) for the big stuff I'll definitely pitch in but for stuff like updating the lightweight text editor and backporting some packages I'm going to deep test before releasing anyway, meh, it's fairly low-risk high-reward :)
[03:43] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Which one should I do first? The text editor, since it's probably easier and quicker, or the LXQt stack?
[03:43] <tsimonq2> Yeah, I think you have the right idea, try featherpad first :)
[03:44] <tsimonq2> Although that work will be more intensive, it will a) teach you more and b) make the backporting feel like a breeze
[03:44] <arraybolt3[m]> Alright, sounds like a plan. I'm reading the discussion right now.
[03:44] <tsimonq2> All finished with Ubuntu Studio? Don't mean to distract you if you were actively working on that.
[03:45] <arraybolt3[m]> For the most part. I finished 75% of the job, then ran into a probable bug on one side and a highly confusing glitch on the other, reported my results and am waiting for a response, so for now I'm free.
[03:45] <tsimonq2> https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/packaging/packaging_for_new_upstream_releases/
[03:45] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Nice, sounds good. :)
[03:46] <tsimonq2> tsimonq2: This link has a ton of resources
[03:46] <tsimonq2> I would also remind you of this link from earlier: https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/lubuntu-dev/
[03:48] <tsimonq2> Between those two links and your requisite knowledge, I would think you could do that no problem. Just make sure to create an ubuntu/kinetic branch, sync it with the archive (literally copy the debian/ directory from the package you get from pull-lp-source and commit that by itself), and work off of that.
[03:48] <tsimonq2> Any questions please ask. I'll be around.
[03:48] <arraybolt3[m]> Nice.
[03:55]  * tsimonq2 will retar cala probably this weekend early next week
[03:55] <arraybolt3[m]> Holy cow, that's a lot. OK, looks like I have my work cut out for me. This should be exciting!
[03:56] <tsimonq2> Yeah, if you're looking at it all and trying to absorb it I'd get yourself a <your equivalent to a cup of coffee> and prepare for 2 hours or so :)
[03:56] <arraybolt3[m]> Quick question - I only followed part of the packaging requirements guide - Arcanist wasn't working right, I don't have a GPG key, and I don't have bzr set up. Is that OK?
[03:57] <tsimonq2> Don't worry about bzr or Arc*.
[03:57] <arraybolt3[m]> And I don't have the ssh agent with keychain.
[03:57] <tsimonq2> GPG key I would get set up though. Remember, think open source social security card.
[03:57] <arraybolt3[m]> OK.
[03:57] <tsimonq2> SSH agent may be fine. I wouldn't worry too hard about that unless you come across it.
[03:58] <tsimonq2> I may be distracted by two adorable kittens trying to get my attention. :)
[03:58] <arraybolt3[m]> I'm guessing that I should take very high precautions to ensure that I never lose the GPG key? I'm thinking back it up to my external drive and plop it in a private repo on GitHub (not sure about the safety of that last part).
[03:58] <arraybolt3[m]> Maybe Google Drive it, too.
[03:59] <tsimonq2> Just be very careful with it. Try not to store it on anyone else's computer, ever.
[03:59] <tsimonq2> I have two flash drives in very secure locations that involve multiple keys.
[03:59] <arraybolt3[m]> OK. I may take advantage of LUKS for this. That ought to throw a doozy of a problem at anyone who manages to steal a flash drive.
[03:59] <arraybolt3[m]> (Which probably won't happen, but can't be too careful.)
[04:01] <arraybolt3[m]> Also, what are the risks of losing the key? Can the old one be revoked and a new one made? If it's important that it never die, I'm thinking of only having one flash drive that contains it, protected by LUKS and with a passphrase set on the key, but if the drive dies/is lost/i forget one of the two passwords, is it possible to recover?
[04:01] <arraybolt3[m]> (I like to have a bunch of contingency plans laid out for maximum safety.)
[04:02] <arraybolt3[m]> s/it never die/it never be used by anyone else
[04:03] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Pinging.
[04:03] <arraybolt3[m]> 'Cause I'm about to generate it right now.
[04:03] <tsimonq2> Yes, the old one can be revoked.
[04:04] <tsimonq2> Not possible to recover I don't think. Be careful.
[04:04] <arraybolt3[m]> By recover, I meant throw away the old one and make a new one. Of course if the drive dies/is lost/passphrase(s) are forgotten, it should NEVER be recoverable, or else something is dreadfully wrong.
[04:05] <arraybolt3[m]> I'll start with the paranoid security level I described above, and if it's needed, I'll make a backup protected with equally high security.
[04:12] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Should I do anything with key expiration, or should the key be valid forever?
[04:12] <tsimonq2> My key is valid forever.
[04:13]  * guiverc wishes I'd made mine forever..
[04:14] <kc2bez[m]> Mine expires but you can extend it.
[04:14] <kc2bez[m]> I have done that a couple of times now.
[04:15] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Possibly silly question, but is there any algorithm better than RSA? I'm hoping that GPG can support a quantum-resistant one, and RSA is easy for a quantum computer to crack IIRC.
[04:16] <arraybolt3[m]> (If they can get the things to work reliably, that is.)
[04:16] <guiverc> Yeah.. I extended mine; some sites/commands accept it; others state it's expired .. meaning I likely missed something & haven't return to attempting to upload to ppa; or salsa.deb..  (spending time elsewhere)
[04:16] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Couldn't tell you off the top of my head, doubt it matters too much. :)
[04:16] <tsimonq2> At that point your key is bitrot enough that you'd probably be working off of a new one anyway.
[04:17] <arraybolt3[m]> 👍 OK, will report back once I've got it generated.
[04:17] <tsimonq2> Sounds good.
[04:21] <arraybolt3[m]> Agh, I hate that GPG keeps cancelling the key generation when it takes too long for me to think up a doozy of a password...
[04:23] <arraybolt3[m]> Bah, it went ahead and stored the key on the computer itself, not on the flash drive...
[04:26] <arraybolt3[m]> Wow, I had to confirm not one, not three, but FIVE OR SIX TIMES that I really wanted to delete the misplaced key.
[04:27] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): How on earth do I tell GPG to plop my key directly on my encrypted flash drive? I don't want it to ever touch any other drive, since that entirely removes one powerful layer of security.
[04:27] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: I don't quite know how to answer that, apologies.
[04:27] <tsimonq2> My drive is completely LUKS-encrypted.
[04:28] <arraybolt3[m]> Sigh. My computer needs to be able to record music and is only just baaarely good enough for that, so I didn't enable LUKS for the sake of better performance. I just LUKS'd the tar out of my flash drive, but now gpg is being stubborn...
[04:29] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah, looks like --homedir will do it.
[04:29] <tsimonq2> Cool.
[04:48] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): I'm looking at the guide and am a bit lost. Where exactly do I move all of the changes from upstream into the package? Is it in the sbuild step 16?
[04:50] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Also, Featherpad is not in the lubuntu-team GitHub.
[04:52] <arraybolt3[m]> Wow, that was fast, I'm watching the featherpad-packaging repository materialize before my eyes!
[04:54] <tsimonq2> https://github.com/lubuntu-team/featherpad-packaging
[04:54] <tsimonq2> Have fun
[04:54] <arraybolt3[m]> Thank you!
 "Simon Quigley (Developer): I'm..." <- How do you mean move the changes?
[04:54] <arraybolt3[m]> I mean, there's got to be some step in which the commits that were made upstream get merged into the thing that uscan downloads, but I don't see where that happens.
[04:55] <tsimonq2> Nope, not really a thing :)
[04:55] <tsimonq2> When updating it you don't do anything with the upstream commits
[04:55] <tsimonq2> Remember, we don't use GBP :P
[04:56] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh, because I'm just updating the packaging stuff and then later when someone build the package, they download the packaging, uscan, then build?
[04:56] <tsimonq2> Yeah
[05:06] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Just to make sure I don't botch the copyright step, do I download the version of Featherpad in the archives with apt-get source, or pull-lp-source, or something else?
[05:09] <arraybolt3[m]> Also, is it normal for pull-lp-source to be shockingly slow?
[05:09] <tsimonq2> I'm not sure what you mean
[05:09] <tsimonq2> Yeah, it is
[05:09] <arraybolt3[m]> This involves manually scanning the diff between the version the package previously in the archive and this new version, keeping track of any and all copyright notice changes and updating debian/copyright. This is tedious, and you have to do it manually.
[05:10] <arraybolt3[m]> Don't I need the source code to do the copyright notice checking?
[05:10]  * tsimonq2 cracks his knuckles
[05:10] <tsimonq2> get ready for me to blow your mind
[05:11] <tsimonq2> https://github.com/tsujan/FeatherPad/compare/V1.0.1...V1.3.0
[05:12] <tsimonq2> add .diff at the end
[05:12] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh, well that's convenient!
[05:12] <tsimonq2> yep :)
[05:12] <tsimonq2> and then use your standard text editor to grep
[05:12] <tsimonq2> GitHub is the single source of truth for upstream anyway
[05:13] <tsimonq2> Many bonus points if you can get it switched to the Qt 6 version and nail the dependencies on the first try. (Get the rest done first.)
[05:13] <arraybolt3[m]> Then any time I see a copyright notice, I just check it and update if needed?
[05:13] <tsimonq2> Yeah
[05:13] <tsimonq2>  * Copyright (C) Pedram Pourang (aka Tsu Jan) 2014-2019<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:13] <tsimonq2>  * Copyright (C) Pedram Pourang (aka Tsu Jan) 2014-2021<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:13] <tsimonq2> Seeing that already
[05:14] <arraybolt3[m]> I don't know what "use your standard text editor to grep" means. I know what text editor is, and I know what grep is, but I'm missing where the two go together.
[05:16] <tsimonq2> Okay, I've figured out how you'd modify d/copyright, let's see you give it a shot :)
[05:17] <arraybolt3[m]> Good grief, are copyright notices always placed at the top of a file? I don't want to scroll through 2386 lines of XML looking for a buried copyright notice, but I will if I have to.
[05:28] <tsimonq2> Yeah.
[05:28] <tsimonq2> Or Ctrl + F
[05:28] <arraybolt3[m]> LOL ok, that's a good idea (just search for "copyright", yeah?) Simon Quigley (Developer)
[05:28] <tsimonq2> yeah
[05:29] <arraybolt3[m]> Wow, you just saved my scroll wheel approximately seven thousand revolutions. Thank you!
[05:29] <tsimonq2> lmao of course :)
[05:43] <arraybolt3[m]> Man, still doing the copyright check, and I just have to say, I respect Tsu Jan. The amount of work this guy puts into ONE TEXT EDITOR is insane and amazing.
[05:47] <tsimonq2> That's the beauty of open source :)
[05:48] <arraybolt3[m]> Another question - do I need to check for potential varying licenses in the different files, even though the whole repo appears to be GPL v3-or-later'd? Or do I just check copyright dates?
[05:50] <tsimonq2> Nah, just dates
[05:50] <tsimonq2> Bigger projects, yes
[05:53] <arraybolt3[m]> LOL I forgot to look at when the search wrapped in Firefox, so I was like, "Man, I already cataloged this file. And this one, too. And this one, too! And... wait a minute, did I wrap? 🤦♂
[05:55] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh no. I though I finished the job... and then discovered the "Load more commits" button.
[05:58] <tsimonq2> :)
[06:10] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): I'm doing this in the browser, and I'm starting to get worried that I may have missed some of the files, since there's an epic number of diffs so large that GitHub hides them, and trying to click all of them is resulting in some possibly missed. Can I somehow download the history or something like that, then use a bash command to find "Copyright" for me so that I can make sure I catch everything?
[06:11] <tsimonq2> .diff at the end of the url
[06:11] <tsimonq2> use grep
[06:11] <tsimonq2> man grep can even give you line numbers and context :)
[06:14] <arraybolt3[m]> YAY!
[06:14] <arraybolt3[m]> Whew, that will make this ten times easier and way more accurate.
[06:17] <arraybolt3[m]> Man, I was wondering how on earth you managed to do the job yourself so fast when it was taking me so long...
[06:18] <tsimonq2> :)
[06:18] <LeoK[m]> Good morning - do we expect a respin this am?
[06:18] <tsimonq2> Everyone learns the hard way
[06:18] <arraybolt3[m]> Leo K: I believe so.
[06:18] <tsimonq2> LeoK[m]: Yes, within the next hour or so
[06:18] <arraybolt3[m]> Leo K: UEFI patch merged, plus Simon Quigley (Developer) made an exciting change related to the Lubuntu manual in PCManFM.
[06:18] <LeoK[m]> Great will run tests as soon as it appears
[06:19] <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calamares/3.3.0~git20220610-0ubuntu2
[06:19] <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm-qt/1.1.0-0ubuntu3
[06:19] <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/22.10.3
[06:20] <LeoK[m]> arraybolt3[m]: Nice one Simon Quigley (Developer)
[06:20] <tsimonq2> Thanks :)
[06:20] <tsimonq2> Also, good morning
[06:20] <arraybolt3[m]> 👋
[06:20] <LeoK[m]> tsimonq2: and good evening to you sir!
[06:21] <tsimonq2> To be fair also morning, 1:21 AM, close enough I guess :)
[06:24] <tsimonq2> My eyes are starting to get droopy. May call it a night here soon.
[06:25] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Feel free to leave me questions for the morning, or if you rack your brain against the docs hard enough you'll probably get it, you've proven yourself to be adaptable so far ;)
[06:25] <tsimonq2> Leo K: Unless LP actually migrates these darn things in the next 10 minutes or so, wait for the usual cronjob daily respin. Unless Dan sees this first.
[06:26] <LeoK[m]> tsimonq2: ok thanks - eyes wide open -
[06:47] <tsimonq2> Probably better to respin once lubuntu-default-settings lands and that won't be until the next Britney run
[06:49] <tsimonq2> Leo K: I would suggest that once all three of those packages are in "Release" for at least 30 minutes, install them on a live ISO, log out, log back in (no password), and you should see both the new desktop icon (if you don't, log out, remove .config from a tty and you're golden) and the Calamares install should work
[06:49] <tsimonq2> anyway
[06:49]  * tsimonq2 -> bed
[06:49] <tsimonq2> Thanks for everything today guys. Really glad to see how it's all coming together.
[06:50] <LeoK[m]> ok Thanks Simon Quigley (Developer) - hit the sack and rest
[08:03] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Well, crud. I'm stuck at the sbuild step. I'm not sure what "making sure you have the -EvIL +pedantic flags set in your sbuildrc file" means. The best I can figure is that they're Lintian options (since Lintian has -E, -I, -L, and --pedantic flags... but no -v oddly, despite man sbuild.conf mentioning a -v flag for Lintian), but I'm not entirely sure since the -v flag is missing.  It's also 3 AM here, so
[08:03] <arraybolt3[m]> I've decided to do the ISO test if it's ready, and then spend the rest of the night taking a break. I'll see you in the morning, and thank you for all your help!
[08:48] <LeoK[m]> Ran tests looking for the UEFI patch and manual on Desktop - looks good - had to select to show manual in "desktop preference" advanced - the icon for the manual is a question mark. But initial test again look good.
[12:43] <kc2bez[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): slow tests are slow. lubuntu-default-settings is still doing package tests so I didn't respin an iso. A new one should spin in ~4 hours.
 "Ran tests looking for the UEFI..." <- I used the help-browser built-in icon, we should really get a Lubuntu Manual icon
[16:58] <LeoK[m]> tsimonq2: downloading todays ISO - running uefi þ secure test
[16:58] <tsimonq2> Sounds good- icon should appear
[16:59] <LeoK[m]> hang on 5
[17:02] <LeoK[m]> While waiting --thinking -would also be nice to have manual in Live session
[17:05] <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/22.10.3
[17:05] <tsimonq2> I don't know why that didn't land yet
[17:06] <kc2bez[m]> tsimonq2: Excuses sez autopkgtest earlier
[17:07] <tsimonq2> Yeah, apparently that autopkgtest queue is backed up 24+ hours for amd64. Yikes.
[17:08] <tsimonq2> Thankfully once this ubiquity change migrates, future updates to lubuntu-default-settings will need no autopkgtest
[17:11] <LeoK[m]>  - one install in VM - manual  on desktop after selecting desktop icons
[17:13] <tsimonq2> I will respin later once tests are done
[17:15] <LeoK[m]> UEFI+secure boot - good - no errors
[17:21] <LeoK[m]> Intend to test more later this evening or early AM - several file systems etc
[17:22] <tsimonq2> Thank you very much Leo! I'll ping once we have a respin done.
[17:22] <LeoK[m]> tsimonq2: Great - thanks
[17:36] <arraybolt3[m]> Hey guys!
[17:37] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Do you know where exactly in sbuildrc I'm supposed to put the -EvIL +pedantic flags?
 "Simon Quigley (Developer): Do..." <- Last I checked I had to consult the Debian wiki page for sbuild
[17:49] <tsimonq2> I can check in a min but I need to be on paid time rn :)
[17:49]  * tsimonq2 brb
[18:01] <arraybolt3[m]> OK. Thank you!
[18:02]  * arraybolt3[m] only used the Ubuntu instructions
[18:26] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Okay, hi.
[18:26] <tsimonq2> Figure it all out?
[18:51] <arraybolt3[m]> No LOL, I've been afk this whole time getting my day started.
[18:53] <kc2bez[m]> Lintian opts is the in your sbuildrc is what you are looking for
[18:54] <kc2bez[m]> s/is the//
[18:54] <arraybolt3[m]> That's what I thought! But then what does the missing "-i" flag do?
[18:54] <kc2bez[m]> I is informational I think
[18:55] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, then I guess I'll try it and see what happens.
[18:56] <kc2bez[m]> It spews all sorts of stuff in your stdout :D
[18:57] <arraybolt3[m]> Actually it wasn't -i that was missing, it was -v. I can't find anything about -v in Lintian's man page.
[18:58] <kc2bez[m]> Pretty sure that is verbose
[18:58] <kc2bez[m]> Might be wrong about that but I don't think so.
[19:04] <arraybolt3[m]> So basically the options mean "make Lintian as grumpy and loud as possible."
[19:06] <kc2bez[m]> Yes!
[19:06] <kc2bez[m]> Just like your sponsors XD
[19:06] <tsimonq2> XD
[19:07] <arraybolt3[m]> OK. I went ahead and went with the Debian manual rather than Ubuntu since it looked closer to right. Also, do I tell Lintian "+pedantic", or "--pedantic"? The latter is in the man page, the former in the packaging guide for upstream.
[19:08] <tsimonq2> May have changed over the years, used to just be +pedantic
[19:16] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, anyone mind if I pastebin my new sbuildrc so everyone can look it over and make sure I didn't make any boffos?
[19:20] <arraybolt3[m]> (Also, figured out why I couldn't find options in man - I was forgetting to hit the Home key after each search to return to the top of the page. All the options actually were there.)
[19:28] <kc2bez[m]> Paste away
[19:29] <arraybolt3[m]> https://termbin.com/w819
[19:30] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, I just hit the sbuild button, let's see what happens...
[19:31] <arraybolt3[m]> Shoot, I'm doing this in Qt5 looks like. I'm supposed to try with Qt6...
[19:31] <kc2bez[m]> Sounds good
[19:32] <kc2bez[m]> I would let it rip you can rebuild later/again
[19:32] <kc2bez[m]> This way you know sbuild is the way you want.
[19:33] <arraybolt3[m]> 👍
[19:35] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): This may be cheating, since I'm supposed to try to nail the Qt6 dependencies the first try, but... what exactly am I supposed to be doing here? Do I edit debian/control to point to different dependencies, and then try and get sbuild to pull everything that's needed?
[19:39] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Edit debian/control for the Qt 6 equivalent and then go by what cmake says
[19:39] <arraybolt3[m]> tsimonq2: As in, try to make debian/control right, and then deal with whatever fits cmake throws?
[19:40] <kc2bez[m]> Skim through the cmake and see what dependencies you might need.
[19:41] <kc2bez[m]> That is upstream
[19:41] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Yes
[19:42] <arraybolt3[m]> First build failed! Missed libhunspell-dev.
[19:42] <tsimonq2> Wait for it... :)
[19:44] <arraybolt3[m]> And now adding it didn't work (hmm, seems familiar?)
[19:45] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, so I'm guessing that installing the package Tsujan mentioned in that GitHub discussion you linked to needs to be in the chroot, not on the main system.
[19:49] <arraybolt3[m]> alRIGHT! Got it to actually start building! \o/
[19:49] <kc2bez[m]> Nice
[19:53] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer) Dan Simmons Build failure, but I can't make heads or tails of the error message. Missing files... what missing files? https://termbin.com/nqiu
[19:56] <kc2bez[m]> That message is saying it expected to have files installed at that path but the  packaging didn't do that.
[19:56] <kc2bez[m]> Look at your  .install files.
[19:58] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh, so I need to add that path to featherpad-l10n.install. Thanks!
[20:03] <arraybolt3[m]> Well, everything but the build failed, probably because I botched sbuild's config, but the build succeeded this time.
[20:04] <kc2bez[m]> Paste your log
[20:04] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, but it's ridiculous, I can already see where it went wrong (trying to access unstable-amd64-sbuild chroot when it's named kinetic-amd64, or trying to get to kinetic-amd64-amd64 chroot (?!))...
[20:05] <kc2bez[m]> Hmm ok
[20:05] <arraybolt3[m]> https://termbin.com/3gyg
[20:06] <tsimonq2> Did you do the shm setup?
[20:06] <arraybolt3[m]> No, directly to disk. I gave the VM 16 GB RAM (I only have 32 GB in my system), so I didn't think that the shm setup would work on my system.
[20:06] <tsimonq2> Hmmm
[20:07] <kc2bez[m]> `schroot -l` might help you
[20:07] <tsimonq2> Is your configuration b0rked?
[20:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Pretty sure it was just a bad sbuildrc file, I found where the thing was most likely getting its crazy values, so I changed them.
[20:07] <arraybolt3[m]> tsimonq2: Pretty sure. Guess I should've expected that when copypasting from Debian's manual and then following Ubuntu's.
[20:08] <kc2bez[m]> Also from your paste it should be +pedantic
[20:08] <arraybolt3[m]> Bah, thanks "man lintian" for the bad info.
[20:08] <arraybolt3[m]> (Or at least the misunderstood info.)
[20:08] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, fixed, let's try it again.
[20:15] <arraybolt3[m]> Much better results this time, but there was so much output to stdout that all the Lintian results decided to vanish. Where does Lintian hide its logs at?
[20:19] <arraybolt3[m]> Also, piuparts got mad because of a bunch of broken symlinks related to coreutils, and some leftovers related to fonts. Is that normal?
[20:36] <LeoK[m]> Calamares update looks good - ran tests BIOS,UEFI,UEFI+secure,encryption,BTRFS and XFS installs - all good
[20:37] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, I hit a lot of stuff in Lintian, pasted the errors and relevant data, and wrote some questions, can you check this over? https://termbin.com/zals4 Dan Simmons Simon Quigley (Developer)
[20:37] <arraybolt3[m]> Leo K: Wow, sounds like a lot's been happening on the testing front while I've been tied up. Nice going, and thank you!
[20:54] <arraybolt3[m]> Attempting Qt6 build...
[21:13] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Need some help. I'm trying to switch to building with Qt6, but changing the dependencies didn't automatically make everything work. So then I dug into the rules file and saw that Qt5 was selected, but changing "export QT_SELECT = 5" to "export QT_SELECT = 6" is now resulting in a "qmake: could not find a Qt installation of '6'" error. My google-fu is failing me. What am I supposed to do here?
 "Simon Quigley (Developer..." <- Check the cmake file
[21:33] <tsimonq2> option(ENABLE_QT5 "Building Qt5 plugin." ON)
[21:33] <tsimonq2> So set that to OFF in your rules file
[22:06] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Thanks, wondered how on earth to set that thing.
[22:07] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3 @arraybolt3:matrix.org: all good now?
[22:08] <arraybolt3[m]> Sadly, no. I'm still getting the exact same error. I'll paste the whole thing.
[22:08] <arraybolt3[m]> https://pastebin.com/P4edWFW3
[22:09] <arraybolt3[m]> (This time I tried getting rid of the QT_SELECT variable entirely, but having it set to 6 also fails.)
[22:09] <tsimonq2> Did you install the Qt 6 version of qmake?
[22:09] <arraybolt3[m]> (Should it be set to 5 despite the fact that I'm building with 6?)
[22:09] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Yes.
[22:10] <tsimonq2> Hmm. I remember I had to do something locally to get this far
[22:10] <tsimonq2> What's in debian/rules?
[22:10] <arraybolt3[m]> qmake6, qt6-base-dev, etc.
[22:10] <arraybolt3[m]> https://pastebin.com/DCYtwJF3
[22:10] <arraybolt3[m]> (Again, results of experiment with removing QT_SELECT, but having it set to 6 results in a very similar error.)
[22:11] <arraybolt3[m]> Ack, somehow I missed the top two lines of the file...
[22:11] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): https://pastebin.com/uzvmmkGU
[22:11] <arraybolt3[m]> (Contents of debian/rules)
[22:14] <arraybolt3[m]> Setting "QT_SELECT = 5" results in "qmake: could not exec '/usr/lib/qt5/bin/qmake': No such file or directory"
[22:59] <tsimonq2> Okay that's your issue
[22:59] <tsimonq2> You need to pass it directly as cmake arguments not as env vars in the rules file
[22:59]  * tsimonq2 thinks at least...
[23:03] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, I'm awfully tired. I think I'll have to take a break for a day and pick up Sunday morning. Thanks for everything!
[23:05] <tsimonq2> All good :)
[23:05] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3 @arraybolt3:matrix.org: Any chance you could push your commits?
[23:15] <tsimonq2> https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release/britney/+git/hints-ubuntu/commit/?id=1e997e760fa5901d14318edd9b1d02da3a4a9cfb
[23:18] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): Sure. It's kinda messy, I'll probably need to redo the whole thing once I figure out what I'm doing, but I'll get it pushed in about 15 minutes or so.
[23:22] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: I'm going to come up with a fix tonight myself to be able to give you a useful hint. All good.
[23:22] <arraybolt3[m]> Thanks.
[23:27] <tsimonq2> Of course. Just let me know where your packaging hides.
[23:27] <arraybolt3[m]> Got it pushed. https://github.com/ArrayBolt3/featherpad-packaging
[23:27] <arraybolt3[m]> Fun fact - Forgot to fork and then clone, but forking, then changing Git's remote to the forked repo worked just fine.


[13:45] <Keybuk> wow
[13:45] <Keybuk> I just totally came up with a use case for a "cool feature" I've been unable to justify for ages
[14:05] <ion> Please elaborate. :-)
[14:06] <Keybuk> the ability to specify names of jobs on the command line
[14:07] <Keybuk> either to be force-started or disabled
[14:14] <sadmac> I don't follow...
[14:14] <sadmac> do jobs have names? job classes have names...
[14:14] <sadmac> I should say "will they." They have them now
[15:33] <Keybuk> a good question ;-)
[15:33] <sadmac> Keybuk: AAR, what are you on about?
[15:33] <Keybuk> I'm not entirely sure myself
[15:33] <Keybuk> it must be Friday
[15:33] <sadmac> why...yes...it is...
[21:58] <tomwe> hello. what is the latest version of upstart that supports dbus-1.2.14?
[22:02] <ion> Better question to ask: what is the latest version of dbus that supports upstart-0.6.2 :-P
[22:03] <tomwe> i know, but i have a problem with latest dbus
[22:04] <tomwe> ok found it: 0.5.3.. i hope it is not too old


[02:56] <dantalizing> ew snapdragon 625 ...
 VICTORY
 I was able to fix my RAID issue!
 It just took forever to rebuild
 The next vhs vs beta is on...  OnlyOffice or LibreOffice for network office?
 It sure looks like it
 Tmobile is telling me something
 I just got the same message
 sam here
 *same
 btw the Switch is back on Amazon
 Did they switch it off of Amazon and it is back on again?
 https://thenextweb.com/finance/2017/04/25/banks-should-let-ancient-programming-language-cobol-die/?utm_content=buffer1e48c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=plus.google.com&utm_campaign=buffer#.tnw_gLTmLmIS
 Damn... The Bluetooth AKG Headphones that I got sound amazing
 https://youtu.be/Qo3fT0xPeHs
 This should be a usnews.today topic as well.