[05:38] <ardvadedva> Hi everybody! Sorry but i'm have f problem with apt-get and don't know how to solve it. Is help me?
[05:39] <ardvadedva> Or better self find solution?
[05:41] <ardvadedva> lsb_release -a
[05:41] <ardvadedva> No LSB modules are available.
[05:41] <ardvadedva> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[05:41] <ardvadedva> Description:    Ubuntu 17.04
[05:41] <ardvadedva> Release:        17.04
[05:41] <ardvadedva> Codename:       zesty
[05:41] <ardvadedva> https://pastebin.com/mvN3cqR5
[05:42] <valorie> what's the problem?
[05:43] <valorie> your pastebin shows no problem
[05:43] <ardvadedva> strange
[05:44] <valorie> I don't see apt or apt-get there at all?
[05:45] <ardvadedva> apt-get -y install python-pip - not found for example
[05:45] <valorie> !info python-pip
[05:46] <valorie> !info python-pip zesty
[05:46] <valorie> are you aware that 17.04 is now eol, ardvadedva?
[05:46] <valorie> !eol
[05:47] <ardvadedva> thanks! to be reading
[05:48] <ardvadedva> but if eol, what i'm doing for migrate (think this  in link)
[05:49] <valorie> please upgrade to 17.10, the latest release
[05:50] <valorie> first though, `sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade`
[05:50] <valorie> to ensure you are totally updated
[05:51] <ardvadedva> 404  Not Found
[05:51] <valorie> then `sudo do-release-upgrade`
[05:51] <valorie> what is 404?
[05:52] <ardvadedva> https://thepasteb.in/p/pghQoRmAVmLHR
[05:53] <ardvadedva> https://thepasteb.in/p/WnhgcnGj7p38LIE
[05:53] <valorie> sounds like that mirror is dead
[05:54] <valorie> unsure why you are using that
[05:54] <ardvadedva> from distribute
[05:54] <valorie> ah, Russian mirror
[05:54] <ardvadedva> sudo do-release-upgrade working
[05:54] <dax> zesty got taken off the mirror network, they'll want to switch to old-releases (from the second ubottu link)
[05:56] <valorie> oh right
[05:56] <valorie> that was quick
[05:56] <valorie> that eolupgrades page is ancient
[05:57] <dax> yeah, i haven't checked dates but i feel like it was quicker than usual, been a lot of people asking #ubuntu about it
[06:00] <ardvadedva> thanks everybody so much
[11:10] <BluesKaj> Howdy foilks
[12:17] <memphisto> Hi
[12:17] <memphisto> i'm on kubuntu lts 16.04.3
[12:18] <memphisto> can't configure telepathy with office365
[12:18] <memphisto> its does nothing
[12:21] <BluesKaj> office 365 isb't supported here, that's a windows app
[12:21] <BluesKaj> isn't
[12:22] <memphisto> hi BluesKaj, i've fixed it
[12:22] <memphisto> piging-sipe plugin must be installed in order to use
[12:23] <memphisto> so now i can chat with colleagues, but can't share screen or call
[12:23] <memphisto> i'm fine with that for now
[12:23]  * BluesKaj shrugs
[13:50] <tubber> hello others that have issues with the zesty repo
[14:04] <Borw3_> tubber: Isn't Zesty end of life already?
[14:12] <tubber> Are there issues with the zesty repo
[14:14] <BluesKaj> yes
[14:14] <BluesKaj> !eol
[14:14] <BluesKaj> tubber, ^
[15:47] <Gizmo_Romick> When I go to Google in Firefox, I get  SEC_ERROR_UNKNOWN_ISSUER.  When I searched the issue on Bing, none of the answers seems to apply to me.  Does anyone know why this would happen on a home computer?
[17:20] <D0U91E> 17.04 repos are down or withdrawn?
[17:50] <D0U91E> 17.04 repos are down or withdrawn?
[17:51] <krytarik> !17.04 | D0U91E
[18:17] <D0U91E> !eol
[18:17] <D0U91E> !eolupgrade
[18:21] <D0U91E> thanks krytarik
[18:40] <arran> Is anybody aware that Kaffeine does not work correctly since the last upgrade? I have no longer any contact with the satellite list.
[18:41] <arran> I have a good picture to illustrate what I mean, if someone tells me how to upload
[18:49] <mparillo> arran: I use https://imgur.com
[19:07] <arran> Thanks, I'll try it, but tomorrow.
[20:09] <TBotNik> All: Cannot get the "recently used" and "recently installed" to show on my laptop machine. I used a HOWTO that let me edit the options in a config file, but can no longer find that HOWTO. I'm running Kubuntu 14.04 LTS


[02:23] <Unit193> Well, anyone want to go up for OLF? :P
[02:25] <cyberanger> Unit193: when is it?
[02:26] <Unit193> End of the year, C-Bus.
[06:54] <Unit193> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTY1MzA Yeah I know his writing is bad, and it's bad news, but I do quite like this bit. :P
[23:37] <cyberanger> Unit193: I might, but odds are I won't have time
[23:38] <Unit193> Hmm, interesting.
[23:42] <cyberanger> I just know how time off requests go, and that'd be bell ringing season too, so it's a double wash


[19:02] <lifeless> wgrant: can you check in one of your lucid lxc's, is /var/run a tmpfs, or a naked dir ?
[19:04] <nigelb> Morning lifeless
[19:44] <lifeless> morning nigelb
[19:45] <nigelb> :)
[19:45] <lifeless> question for the floor - I need a sanity check - set_session_pkg_data() takes parameters that need obfuscating?
[21:28] <poolie> lifeless, thanks for the partial review
[21:29] <lifeless> no probs
[21:47] <wgrant> lifeless: Obfuscating how?
[21:48] <lifeless> wgrant: have a look at OOPS-3cbd11de34ca8a70afaf668853adc17e in bad-oops on carob
[21:48] <lifeless> wondering if we should be preventing query param substition
[21:48] <wgrant> Oh, in query logs, I see.
[21:49] <wgrant> lifeless: Where is bad-oops?
[21:49] <lifeless> lpoops/
[21:49] <wgrant> That's not a directory.
[21:50] <wgrant> Ah, there, I see.
[21:50] <lifeless> wgrant: its a sidestraction from https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-oops-datedir-repo/+bug/896959
[21:51] <wgrant> That probably is somewhat sensitive, yeah.
[21:53] <lifeless> I happened to notice it ;)
[21:55] <lifeless> wgrant: I propose to monkey patch update-db to handle unicodedecode error until the fix is deployed.
[21:56] <wgrant> lifeless: That would be my suggestion.
[21:56] <lifeless> done
[21:59] <poolie> anyhow thanks again for the prompt review, i replied
[21:59] <poolie> incidentally the button is already hidden on private bmps
[22:09] <wgrant> Heh
[22:10] <lifeless> poolie: how is it hidden?
[22:10] <wgrant> Bug 896968, bug 896691
[22:10] <lifeless> poolie: I didn't see a clause fo rit
[22:10] <poolie> line 132 of the diff
[22:10] <poolie> +    tal:condition="not:view/is_private"
[22:10] <poolie> on the macros that insert the buttons
[22:11] <poolie> i was quite pleased with that
[22:11] <poolie> but maybe there's a better way
[22:11] <poolie> much better than counting on every template getting it right
[22:28] <poolie> lifeless, i was hoping you'd say "oh that's nice" :)
[22:29] <lifeless> poolie: heh, sorry.
[22:29] <lifeless> uhm
[22:30] <lifeless> thats probably reasonable
[22:30] <poolie> lifeless, i was hoping you'd say "oh that's nice" :)
[22:30] <poolie> oops
[22:31] <lifeless> deja vue
[22:31] <poolie> typo, not trying to be whiny
[22:51] <wgrant> I'm saying that your second-latest comment is spreading common misunderstandings.
[22:51] <lifeless> feel free to note that
[22:51] <lifeless> both aaron and I were spreading it
[22:51] <lifeless> however we don't have -any- bug.datecreated search in bugtask.py
[22:51] <lifeless> so while its true that the bug datecreated field can be different
[22:51] <lifeless> its not relevant to the bug
[22:52] <wgrant> bugtask.datecreated will be similarly different.
[22:52] <wgrant> Or at least should be.
[22:53] <lifeless> yes


[00:47] <mkarnicki> CardinalFang: do you know how to make ContentProvider serve editable files? I tried everything, but can't get them to be editable. Plus, I use ACTION_VIEW instead of ACTION_EDIT, if I use _EDIT it says I have no application to handle that (say, .txt file editting, which I *do* have)
[03:14] <blendmaster1024> updown is goofing again
[09:54] <mkarnicki> good morning
[11:08] <doktoreas> Hello everybody. I just installed Ubuntu LTS 10.04 but also if I add files to my ubuntu one folder they don't get synched..
[11:09] <doktoreas> in the preferences account is ok and it says synching..
[11:37] <duanedesign> doktoreas: hello
[11:38] <kklimonda> rye: are you there?
[11:38] <duanedesign> doktoreas: on the Devices Tab under the Preferences it says your computers name and not <Local machine>?
[11:39] <rye> kklimonda, yes, i am nearly here but i am having problems with starting mymain machine, looks like nvidia drivers and ath5k driver for wifi broke for me
[11:39] <duanedesign> rye: oh noes :\
[11:40] <rye> nouveau works, but ath5k clearly fails
[11:41] <apachelogger> ubuntu-sso-client does not create stuff in /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/, does not list python-gtk2 as dep, does not list python-notify as dep, does not list python-twisted-core as dep, does not list python-twisted-web as dep, does not list python-gnomekeyring as dep, does not list gnome-keyring as dep, using ~/.cache/sso is a bit silly given that the app is named ubuntu-sso-client
[11:41] <kklimonda> bah, I can't find a bug number - give me  asecond ;)
[11:41] <doktoreas> duanedesign, coputer name
[11:42] <duanedesign> doktoreas: ok
[11:42] <doktoreas> but checking on the website, files are synched
[11:42] <duanedesign> doktoreas: can you open a Terminal and run the command :  u1sdtool -s
[11:42] <kklimonda> rye: in a meantime - can you or another canonical employee remove a contact from my u1 contacts?
[11:43] <rye> doktoreas, can you see folders in https://one.ubuntu.com/files/ ? i.e. not files but the folders the files are in?
[11:43] <rye> kklimonda, unfortunately, no; is that contact breaking the web ui for you?
[11:43] <doktoreas> rye, yep all seems ok. The problem was that the tool in the preferences says always 0.0 Kb used
[11:43] <doktoreas> probably it gets synched at the end of the whole transfer?
[11:44] <kklimonda> rye: both web ui (when I open it) and the phone sync (which is the original bug report)
[11:44] <duanedesign> doktoreas: you have to close the Prefernces and reopen it to update
[11:44] <rye> doktoreas, could you please try closing this tool and reopening it, it looks like it reads the info only once
[11:44] <kklimonda> rye: bug 601932
[11:44] <ubot4> kklimonda: Bug 601932 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/601932 is private
[11:45] <kklimonda> the bug is over a month old and there has been no activity :/other then the initial triaging :/
[11:45] <doktoreas> rye, always 0.0
[11:46] <doktoreas> I also noticed that folders are ok but not file inside them :(
[11:46] <duanedesign> doktoreas: the metadata syncs first(the folder structure) then the files
[11:46] <rye> doktoreas, at first all the folders are created and only then files will start being uploaded, therefore 0.0 - folders do not take storage space
[11:47] <duanedesign> rye: sorry ill go to make my morning coffee :)
[11:47] <doktoreas> all folders are synched
[11:50] <doktoreas> rye: http://dpaste.com/227030/
[11:51] <doktoreas> no files in :(
[11:52] <duanedesign> doktoreas: you can see is any metadata is left to sync with: u1sdtool --waiting-metadata | wc -l
[11:52] <doktoreas> wow unicode problem
[11:52] <duanedesign> oh yeah, that is a known bug :\
[11:52] <doktoreas> http://dpaste.com/227031/
[11:53] <duanedesign> doktoreas: u1sdtool --waiting-content | wc -l
[11:53] <duanedesign> checks the number of content items waiting
[11:53] <doktoreas> 2824
[11:55] <duanedesign> ok so it still has 2824 items to sync, but you probablly knew that :). That number should get smallerover time.
[11:56] <doktoreas> ok thx
[11:56] <doktoreas> it's still there
[11:56] <doktoreas> but I'll keep wait
[11:58] <doktoreas> duanedesign, is it normal that upload speed on eth0 is 0 kb/s ?
[12:04] <duanedesign> doktoreas: their is a tool magicicada that can give you a bit more information about what is going on.
[12:05] <duanedesign> doktoreas: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:chicharreros/ppa; sudo apt-get install magicicada
[12:12]  * rye is away creating wired network
[12:16] <apachelogger> nessita: hey, current ubuntu-sso-client package does not create stuff in /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/, does not list python-gtk2 as dep, does not list python-notify as dep, does not list python-twisted-core as dep, does not list python-twisted-web as dep, does not list python-gnomekeyring as dep, does not list gnome-keyring as dep, using ~/.cache/sso is a bit silly given that the app is named ubuntu-sso-client
[12:17] <nessita> apachelogger: ack to the dependencies issues. Why ~/.cache/sso is silly?
[12:18] <apachelogger> nessita: because I would go for .cache/ubu<tab>
[12:18] <apachelogger> and considering .cache can contain loads of folders, without actually knowing that it is in .cache/sso/ it is pretty much impossible to find it
[12:20] <rye> this is awesome, by the time i completed the wiring for network ath5k started working again
[12:22] <nessita> apachelogger: I'll add the deps to the package and I'll think about the .cache dir, thank you for pointing this out!
[12:23] <apachelogger> you're very welcome
[13:59] <mkarnicki> beuno: ping
[13:59] <beuno> mkarnicki, pong
[14:00] <mkarnicki> beuno: Hi! :) Has anything moved about Android 2.1 + wiki + certificate issue?
[14:00] <mkarnicki> beuno: I'm asking because soon I wanted to compile a download page
[14:00] <mkarnicki> beuno: which would be 50% senseless, if it's not accessible from 2.1 phones.
[14:01] <mkarnicki> beuno: then I would put that stuff on launchpad
[14:05] <mkarnicki> (I was exaggerating with 50% ;P)
[14:06] <beuno> mkarnicki, not yet, sorry
[14:08] <mkarnicki> beuno: no problem :) I'd like to access wiki.ubuntu.com (for weekly news for example), that's why I'm curious :)
[14:08] <mkarnicki> beuno: (Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter I meant)
[15:09] <jml> what's the easiest way to push changes to my views that are kept in bzr to my desktopcouch db?
[15:18] <james_w> jml: do you know about start_local_couchdb.update_design_documents ?
[15:19] <jml> james_w, no, not at all. it sounds promising though.
[15:19] <james_w> jml: if you have some .js files in particular locations then you can just assume the views exist, as desktopcouch will create them for you
[15:19] <james_w> I've forgotten the exact details of how it is plumbed in though
[15:19] <jml> hmm.
[15:19] <jml> maybe that's enough to start grepping for, thanks.
[15:20] <jml> I also want to know how I can migrate my desktopcouch application to a machine without X installed.
[15:20] <james_w> jml: why is X needed?
[15:21] <jml> james_w, I don't know, but the dependencies are vast, iirc.
[15:22] <james_w> ah
[15:23] <rye> james_w, i suspect this is bug #421422
[15:24] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 421422 in xulrunner-1.9.1 (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "xulrunner dependency is overkill - only spidermonkey is needed (affects: 5) (heat: 26)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/421422
[15:24] <jml> hmm.
[15:24] <jml> maybe it's something with dbus. let me try running the script again.
[15:37] <jml> oh. huh. https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/desktopcouch/+bug/591039
[15:37] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 591039 in desktopcouch "Cannot import desktopcouch in server environment (affects: 1) (heat: 14)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[19:16] <mkarnicki> verterok: Hi Guillermo! One question if I may, what could have caused that? http://paste.ubuntu.com/476054/
[19:19] <verterok> mkarnicki: no idea what might caused that :(
[19:19] <verterok> mkarnicki: looks like a BYTES message "out of order" == the request died for some reason in the client
[19:19] <mkarnicki> verterok: aha, that would make some sense :)
[19:20] <verterok> mkarnicki: isn't the server sending a message out of order, but the client loosing/killing/finishing a GetContent request before it got the EOF message
[19:21] <mkarnicki> verterok: that might be the case
[19:21] <mkarnicki> verterok: it might have complained about overwriting files and throw
[19:21] <mkarnicki> I'm checking that.
[22:58]  * duffydack is disappointed in U1 store..Order of the Black is $3.99 on amazon


[03:44] <rony> hello
[03:44] <rony> everybody
[06:00] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:17] <Silmarilion> Hi does anybody know where is the option to disable the remember open apps when shutting down?
[06:18] <Silmarilion> found it
[07:13] <noums> hello every body ... I am trying to upgrade my kubuntu 14.04 to 15.04 ... can someone help me ?
[07:14] <hateball> noums: What seems to be the issue?
[07:15] <noums> i tryed multiple command like this "sudo do-release-upgrade -d", or this "sudo kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade" bet nothing is happening
[07:17] <soee> i'm not sure if such upgrade is supported, hmm
[07:19] <soee> well maybe it is :)
[07:31] <hateball> noums: It is likely that your settings are to only go from LTS to LTS
[07:32] <noums> thanks ... Ia going  to try to change config  to see if it works better
[07:32] <hateball> noums: And 14.04 is the current LTS release. So if you want to change that, you can go into Muon and change settings from LTS only
[07:32] <hateball> Then you'll have to upgrade 14.04 -> 14.10 -> 15.04
[07:35] <lordievader> Wich will be interesting since 14.10 is EOL.
[07:38] <hateball> Well, there are other ways....
[07:39] <lordievader> Indeed, reinstalling is likely easier and faster.
[09:08] <Isotop7> is kubuntu planning to support more devices with kubuntu phone?
[10:42] <yossarianuk> Is anyone aware of a keyboard shortcut in konsole (or maybe just general Linux) that outputs the /etc/hosts contents ?
[10:43] <yossarianuk> I ask as everytime my 2rd old bangs my keyboard randomly he manages to do that (there is no way he he doing .cat /etc/hosts'
[10:45] <diafour_> less /etc/hosts ? ;]
[10:57] <yossarianuk> diafour_: pretty sure he's not typing a command... its like some odd shortcut ...
[10:57] <yossarianuk> (not a major issue just interested in how he keep doing it.)
[10:58] <diafour_> awh... 2 year old?
[10:59] <diafour_> Just press page up and enter. May be cat /etc/hosts is a first line in your history.
[11:00] <yossarianuk> diafour_: i've check and there is no line... maybe when he grows up a but he'll tell daddy...
[11:05] <lordievader> ctrl +r -> c -> enter?
[11:07] <diafour_> man bash
[11:07] <diafour_>  /complete-hostname
[11:07] <diafour_> =)
[11:22] <admin4ek> hello
[11:23] <admin4ek> any body use QHD+ ultrabook
[11:46] <abel__> dasd
[11:46] <abel__> hi all
[11:51] <amichair_> any news on plasma 5.4.0 backport?
[12:13] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:15] <lordievader> o/
[12:51] <EvilRoey> lordievader:  \o
[12:51] <EvilRoey> hey BluesKaj
[12:51] <EvilRoey> lordievader, BluesKaj: are you guys Ubuntu or Blue Systems staff?
[12:52] <BluesKaj> ev` I'm neither
[12:52] <EvilRoey> ah ok
[12:52] <BluesKaj> EvilRoey ^
[12:53] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj:  but I see you here offering support, are you involved officially with Kubuntu?
[12:53] <BluesKaj> < --- a home user who tests kubuntu
[12:53] <EvilRoey> aha!
[12:53] <EvilRoey> ok
[12:53] <EvilRoey> I am a home user as well
[12:54] <EvilRoey> currently I have an issue getting my backup HD to mount (same issue as a few months back)
[12:56] <BluesKaj> EvilRoey, do you have the HDD as an entry in /etc/fstab?
[12:56] <lordievader> EvilRoey: No.
[12:56] <lordievader> EvilRoey: How are you trying to mount it?
[12:56] <BluesKaj> well, you should
[12:57] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, that is wrong.
[12:57] <Graf_Westerholt> I do not have an entry in fstab and it works fine.
[12:57] <BluesKaj> works here Graf_Westerholt
[12:57] <lordievader> Graf_Westerholt: You let KDE mount it?
[12:57] <lordievader> I allways dislike DE's mounting my stuff.
[12:57] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, you can also do a rain dance, it will work for you with your disk, but also without the rain dance.
[12:58] <Graf_Westerholt> lordievader, yes, KDE.
[12:58] <BluesKaj> Graf_Westerholt, I prefer a shorter UUID than a bunch of numbers and letters
[12:58] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, I do not care about an UUID.
[12:59] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, I guess you do it a lot wrong.
[12:59] <BluesKaj> i don't care thay you don't care, Graf_Westerholt so stop interefering , you do it your way
[12:59] <lordievader> A UUID is determined by the filesystem type?
[13:00] <lordievader> Anyhow, EvilRoey how are you trying to mount it?
[13:00] <BluesKaj> I was making a sugestion that works for most users
[13:06] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, you can suggest a rain dance and it will work, because it also work without a rain dance.
[13:07] <BluesKaj> Graf_Westerholt, you're going on ignore, sop dopn't waste your energy on me
[13:08] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj, but the people who wants real help can still read me. :P
 EvilRoey, do you have the HDD as an entry in /etc/fstab?
[13:44] <EvilRoey> er kinda?
[13:44] <EvilRoey> not sure if the UUID is there, lemme check
[13:44] <EvilRoey> lordievader:  trying to mount it with the mount command: mount /backup
[13:45] <EvilRoey> oh I see that I don't use UUIDs for the backup drives
[13:45] <EvilRoey> I just have it as /dev/sdc /backup in fstab
[13:45] <EvilRoey> sudo mount /backup works
[13:45] <EvilRoey> er
[13:45] <EvilRoey> it reutrns without visible error
[13:46] <EvilRoey> but then I don't see it actually mounted when I issue "mount"
[13:47] <lordievader> EvilRoey: No errors? So it is mounted?
[13:47] <EvilRoey> er I don't think it is mounted, no.
[13:48] <lordievader> EvilRoey: What is the output of 'mount'?
[13:48] <EvilRoey> it is missing that entry showing that the disk is mounted
[13:48] <EvilRoey> (obviously it is not)
[13:48] <EvilRoey> I'd paste you the stuff but really I need to be next to the disk to be able to turn it on/off and see any changes in syslog or dmesg
[13:49] <lordievader> EvilRoey: Could you pastbin your /etc/fstab and the output of 'sudo mount -v /backup'?
[13:49] <EvilRoey> sure.
[13:50] <EvilRoey> lordievader:  http://pastebin.com/Ge8SjgUC
[13:51] <lordievader> Hmm, and the fstab?
[13:53] <EvilRoey> # 20140626 Roey Katz:  Dirvish backup drive
[13:53] <EvilRoey> /dev/sdc               /backup                    ext4    nofail,noatime,defaults  0   2
[13:53] <EvilRoey> 20150901 09:52:52 roey@gear:~$
[13:53] <Graf_Westerholt> EvilRoey, why do you want to mount it in the terminal?
[13:53] <EvilRoey> well I have it auotmatically monting at startup
[13:53] <EvilRoey> but the reason I mount it in the terminal,
[13:53] <EvilRoey> is because I swap it every few weeks with an identically-sized hard drive
[13:53] <EvilRoey> I rotate backup drives
[13:53] <lordievader> EvilRoey: You put the filesystem right on the blockdevice?
[13:53] <lordievader> No partition table?
[13:53] <EvilRoey> oh you mean instead of a partition?
[13:54] <EvilRoey> em yeah I guess
[13:54] <lordievader> Yes.
[13:54] <EvilRoey> there's no difference for me in terms of performance or functionality
[13:54] <EvilRoey> I mean my system's drive is partitioned
[13:54] <lordievader> EvilRoey: Could you pastebin the output of 'sudo parted /dev/sdc'?
[13:54] <EvilRoey> of course
[13:54] <Graf_Westerholt> EvilRoey, so you are having your backup drive always connected to your PC?
[13:54] <EvilRoey> Error: Could not stat device /dev/sdc - No such file or directory.
[13:54] <EvilRoey> Graf_Westerholt:  yeah
[13:55] <Graf_Westerholt> EvilRoey, than it is not a backup. You are doing it all wrong.
[13:55] <EvilRoey> Graf_Westerholt:  yeah I run dirvish so it incrementally backs up every night
[13:55] <EvilRoey> Graf_Westerholt:  and then I swap it out periodically with another drive
[13:55] <EvilRoey> so that even if I lose the comptuer, I still have my data (minus a week or so)
[13:55] <lordievader> EvilRoey: There is your issue.
[13:55] <EvilRoey> lordievader:  how so
[13:55] <Graf_Westerholt> EvilRoey, if yor PC gets demage do high voltage or something it will destroy also the packup. You never do it the way you do now.
[13:55] <EvilRoey> Graf_Westerholt:  what's the correct way then?
[13:55] <lordievader> EvilRoey: You are trying to mount sdc, according to your output there is no sdc.
[13:56] <Graf_Westerholt> EvilRoey, you should read how to do backups right.
[13:56] <EvilRoey> lordievader:  right. Like I said, I'd go at my drive and turn it off/on to determine the bigger issue
[13:56] <lordievader> It't external?
[13:56] <EvilRoey> Graf_Westerholt:  you're antagonizing me with your non-constructive condescension.
[13:56] <Graf_Westerholt> EvilRoey, ok, go on and lose your data.
[13:56] <EvilRoey> Graf_Westerholt:  please don't talk to me.  Thank you.
[13:58] <lordievader> EvilRoey: Is sdc external?
[14:08] <EvilRoey> lordievader:  correct
[14:08] <EvilRoey> Graf_Westerholt:  like, that's the worst advice you can possibly give anyone.
[14:09] <EvilRoey> Graf_Westerholt:  "you're doing it all wrong".  Really?  When your only quip with what I described is that it's connected to my computer.
[14:09] <EvilRoey> Graf_Westerholt:  doesn't sound at all "all wrong"
[14:11] <lordievader> EvilRoey: Then you really want to mount by UUID.
[14:11] <lordievader> EvilRoey: Just ignore him ;)
[14:13] <EvilRoey> :)
[14:14] <EvilRoey> lordievader:  I'll have lines in fstab for both drives then, aye
[14:14] <EvilRoey> lordievader:  so this issue is interesting because in the past, all I did was run "gparted" on the drive--not even change it--and then I found I could mount it
[14:15] <lordievader> EvilRoey: Could you pastebin the output of 'ls /dev/sd*'?
[14:17] <kamil_> hi guys, i have weird problem
[14:17] <kamil_> when i connect my speakers to laptop, they dont play
[14:18] <kamil_> i have to manually change connector from speakers to HEADPHONES, and then speakers will play
[14:18] <EvilRoey> lordievader:  it's udev so it'll show a bunch I figure... hold on
[14:18] <kamil_> is it annoying and weird, do you have any idea?
[14:19] <EvilRoey> kamil_:  what kind of conncetion is it
[14:19] <EvilRoey> lordievader:  20150901 09:54:39 roey@gear:~$ ls /dev/sd*
[14:19] <EvilRoey> /dev/sda  /dev/sda1  /dev/sda2
[14:19] <EvilRoey> oh.  Hrm.
[14:19] <kamil_> EvilRoey: i have combo jack in my laptop
[14:19] <EvilRoey> lordievader:  I guess the system didn't pick it up when I connected it.
[14:19] <EvilRoey> kamil_:  ah.. I meant, is it USB or headphone jack?
[14:19] <EvilRoey> alsamixer
[14:20] <kamil_> it is jack
[14:20] <EvilRoey> sometimes it might be muted
[14:20] <EvilRoey> ok
[14:20] <amichair_> hey guys, any news on plasma 5.4.0 backport?
[14:20] <EvilRoey> so you can try alsamixer and then pavucontrol
[14:20] <EvilRoey> kamil_:  it may be that your sound gets auto-muted (you'll see it in alsamixer as "M")
[14:20] <BluesKaj> kamil_, the headpone output isn't meant for speakers, altho they will play. The speakers referred to in alsa are the internal speakers
[14:21] <kamil_> okay, but why i have to change it automatically in Kmix?
[14:21] <kamil_> sorry not in kmix
[14:21] <kamil_> in settings
[14:22] <kamil_> i have to change it manually*
[14:22] <BluesKaj> kamil_, if they work, why worry , it's a minor problem
[14:22] <kamil_> not really, in other systems it worked
[14:23] <kamil_> i am not going to leave it "because of reason"
[14:26] <BluesKaj> then try with different settings untill they work for you .. a lot depends on the sound card make and model, sometimes the the same audio chip works differntly in different cards , there's no hard and fast rule when it comes to audio on linux
[14:28] <kamil_> okay ill try
[14:34] <lordievader> EvilRoey: Just one disk?
[14:35] <EvilRoey> lordievader:  apparently that's all it sees at this point, yeah
[14:35] <EvilRoey> ..
[14:35] <EvilRoey> lordievader:  I need to turn it off and then on again and watch what dmesg says
[14:35] <lordievader> EvilRoey: So, as I said before, there is your problem ;)
[14:35] <EvilRoey> yeah :)
[14:36] <lordievader> EvilRoey: Run the udev monitor
[14:36] <EvilRoey> how so?
[14:36] <lordievader> EvilRoey: Shows if the kernel recognizes the drive.
[14:36] <EvilRoey> ok
[14:36] <EvilRoey> how do I do this?
[14:36] <EvilRoey> is the command just "udev monitor" ?
[14:36] <lordievader> sudo udevadm monitor --environment --udev
[14:37] <EvilRoey> ah interesting
[14:37] <EvilRoey> lordievader:  and what does this show me regarding USB connections & external hard drives?
[14:38] <lordievader> It shows anything that goes through udev.
[14:39] <EvilRoey> oh! ok then.
[15:39] <yossarianuk> anyone had any joy with Plasma5.4 + new nvidia driver 355.11 with EGL ?
[15:41] <BluesKaj> plasma 5.4 is a letdown so far IMO
[15:43] <BluesKaj> another example of releasing too soon, i
[15:43] <BluesKaj> it's not whole yet
[15:44] <yossarianuk> well EGL is experimental, my issue is that that it just will not enable...
[15:44] <yossarianuk> plasma 5.4 seems a bit nicer than 5.2/5.3
[15:44] <yossarianuk> really like the new application launcher.
[15:45] <BluesKaj> realy? , the app launcher looks the same to me
[15:47] <yossarianuk> i.e -> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/08/plasma-5-4-new-features
[15:47] <yossarianuk> Its like unity/gnome launcher but faster (and doesn't online search..)
[15:48] <yossarianuk> you have you right click on the kmenu then -> alternatives
[15:48] <yossarianuk> (you need 5.4 though)
[15:49] <BluesKaj> oh the dashboard, I still use the kicke
[15:50] <BluesKaj> kicker
[16:02] <yossarianuk> the dashboard is new in 5.4..
[16:59] <anna`> How do i stop windows from opening stuck to a corner?
[17:03] <roman__> what?
[17:04] <anna`> system settings -> window management -> Advanced tab -> placement -> Change it from "smart"
[17:22] <mikkle> Has Kubuntu 15.10 replaced kmix with plasma-pa yet?
[18:52] <Okitain> Anyone got Thunderbird's tray to work, peeps?


[07:22] <abhay> , i am running functional tetsing for murano charms using bundletester.... while running commands juju status murano...i could see below message "waiting for agent initialization"
[07:22] <abhay> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23363205/
[07:23] <abhay> when i run the command juju debug-log ..i could see message as below:
[07:23] <abhay> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23363204/
[07:23] <abhay> i am running with juju version..1.25.6-xenial-amd64..
[07:23] <abhay> please help me here ...as i am stuck ....
[22:31] <bdx> consistently, my machines will start assuming private ips -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23366879/
[22:31] <bdx> such a piss off
[22:33] <bdx> ooohh
[22:34] <bdx> notice the region has changed
[22:34] <bdx> ^^
[22:34] <bdx> everything is in us-east-1a, and the black sheep is in 1b
[22:35] <bdx> also coincidentally happens to have a different ip then the rest ....
[22:35] <bdx> errrrg
[22:37] <bdx> even thought I deployed to my space "common-infrastructure" the instance deploys to some other subnet
[22:37] <bdx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23366898/
[22:38] <bdx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23366903/
[22:39] <bdx> rick_h_: possibly you've heard me squacking about this the last few weeks?
[22:39] <bdx> rick_h_: huge show stopper
[22:39] <bdx> rick_h_: trying to take things to production, ^ needs to be top priority
[22:40] <bdx> `juju deploy ./fiche --constraints "spaces=common-infrastructure" --constraints "instance-type=t2.small"`
[22:41] <bdx> thats all I'm trying to do, nothing complex
[22:41] <bdx> anyways
[22:41] <bdx> I'll be afk till moday, just wanted to get some eyes on this
[22:42] <bdx> thanks
[22:57] <bdx> squawking*


[05:58] <kanliot>  if i logout of my xwindows session with lubuntu (lightdm) how are the applications killed?  -9 or what?
[05:58] <Unit193> Should be a sigterm, then if no response sigkill.
[05:59] <kanliot> tyvm
[05:59] <kanliot> if i have time i will check it for real
[06:02] <Unit193> I might be remembering poweroff after all.
[06:07] <kanliot> well its a silly question.  but i like silly questions with definite answers :)
[09:20] <kanliot> turns out it's just a socket that get closed when you quit an x session
[09:20] <kanliot> also, other bugs
[09:20] <kanliot> :(
[11:13] <buleeen> i installed lubuntu for someone (an ex-windows user) who is unhappy with the fact i left him without a guide on how to use it. i need to email him something of the kind in pdf form. anything that already exists?
[11:21] <hateball> buleeen: Is there something in particular he needs to do? Also there is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides
[11:30] <buleeen> so i see there is an "ubuntu manual" ( http://ubuntu-manual.org/ )  ... where is the equivalent for lubuntu?
[11:30] <buleeen> hateball: nothing in particular, just general manual
[11:33] <buleeen> http://lubuntu-manual.org/     does not exist    :(
[11:44] <buleeen> so no general user manual for LUBUNTU in pdf i can download somewhere?
[11:44] <buleeen> someone here?
[11:50] <buleeen> 1700 people in #ubuntu  VS. 54 people in #lubuntu  .... are we (lubuntu community) facing risk of extinction?
[11:51] <buleeen> hope not...
[15:50] <chispassss> i have problmes with brocken software ....   help me please ....
[15:54] <genii> !details | chispassss
[15:58] <chispassss> ok ....  but sorry for mi bad english im from bolivia ...............           well i install saga gis and qgis .....   but when start  qgis  say error pyton      ........... and i tray to dowload pluguin and say .......  p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }  No se pudo cargar el complemento processing debido a un error al llamar a su método classFactory()
[16:01] <chispassss> i try to uninstall   and reinstall but icant do that  ...  i tray to fix that with synapptics   in edit  .... but no worck
[16:05] <genii> chispassss: qgis is in the Ubuntu repositories, but not Saga GIS. Did you install qgis from Synaptics?
[16:06] <genii> Also, a description of how you installed Saga GIS might be helpful, although it is not supported by us since it came from elsewhere
[16:06] <chispassss> yes ...  i add the repositori ubuntugis ... becouse the ubuntu repositoris have a old version
[16:07] <chispassss> and i install saga gis onli with the ubuntu repositori
[16:08] <chispassss> if you want i can send you a screnshot  with mi problem...   but wath secrnshot?
[16:15] <genii> chispassss: I think they may be better able to help you in #ubuntu-es, since all your error messages are in Spanish
[16:17] <chispassss> ok thnxs!!
[19:32] <Frank81> ui ui
[19:33] <Frank81> here it goes round and round
[19:33] <Frank81> but i have a nice question
[19:33] <Frank81> Why do we have a lubuntu support channel since it is only ubuntu + lxde shouldn't we merge to lxde channel?
[19:34] <Frank81> here often ubuntu related questions get asked isn't that useless?
[19:37] <melodie> hi
[19:37] <melodie> is phillw around? :)
[19:38] <melodie> anyone aware of the last test round for the next lubuntu version?
[19:39] <melodie> "all teams need to have their
[19:39] <melodie> batteries re-charged for the final push in one week as the 14.04 release is
[19:39] <melodie> now just a fortnight away."
[19:40] <melodie> I was amazed reading this on the qa-lubuntu ml as I thought the actual tests were being run for the next 2013 autumn version
[19:41] <Unit193> Typo.
[19:46] <melodie> Unit193 is that so?
[19:46] <melodie> do you think he meant 2013.10 release?
[19:48] <Unit193> Of course, 13.10 is what's coming out, 14.04 hasn't started.
[19:52] <melodie> XD
[19:53] <melodie> thanks Unit193, I was a bit in a wonder
[19:53] <melodie> did you see this post from phillw on the ml?
[19:54] <Unit193> I'm no on the QA list, only skimmed one called "Re: Confused?"


[11:32] <athos> good morning :)
[12:43] <pulasti> good morning mf
[12:43] <pulasti> (my friend)
[13:08] <ahasenack> sergiodj: hi, I am looking at that glewxxxx pr, and noticed armhf failed in https://launchpad.net/~sergiodj/+archive/ubuntu/nodejs-glewlwyd-openssl-fix/+packages but with no log
[13:08] <ahasenack> if you could retrigger it
[13:09] <ahasenack> (not that I'm testing in armhf, just for completeness)
[14:18] <ahasenack> athos: what does this versioning scheme mean again?  "psr/container": "^2.0",
[14:18] <ahasenack> the ^
[14:20] <ogra> "newer than" IIRC
[14:20] <schopin> Don't know the language but it usually means "semver compatible", i.e. >= 2.0 && < 3
[14:21] <ahasenack> hm, https://getcomposer.org/doc/articles/versions.md#caret-version-range- maybe
[14:21] <athos> ahasenack: it a constraint to stick to semantic versioning compatible with 2.0
[14:21] <athos> ahasenack: https://getcomposer.org/doc/articles/versions.md#next-significant-release-operators
[14:21] <ahasenack> "^1.2.3 is equivalent to >=1.2.3 <2.0.0"
[14:24] <athos> ahasenack: for our composer debhelper purposes, note that if the composer requirement has an '||' (e.g. ^2.0 || ^3.0) no version constraints will be added to the binary package Requires. Not sure if this is relevant for what you are doing there though :)
[15:08] <sergiodj> ahasenack: thanks for the heads up; I've retriggered the build now.  it will probably take a long time because the armhf builders seem to be very busy
[16:58] <jrwren> systemctl status (and others) say: "Failed to connect to bus: Connection refused" I cannot reboot this node. Anyone know how I can recover? systemd is running, the socket is at /run/dbus/system_bus_socket
[18:15] <ahasenack> kanashiro: pcs is the new guy, crmsh is the obsolete one? Or reversed?
[18:26] <ahasenack> yep, just found this in the server guide: "
[18:26] <ahasenack>     Note: pcs will likely replace crmsh in [main] repository in future Ubuntu versions.
[18:26] <ahasenack> "
[18:52] <rbasak> Yep it's that way round
[19:10] <kanashiro> ahasenack, sorry, my irc client did not notify me about your message. But yes, pcs is the new one
[19:10] <ahasenack> kanashiro: have you successfully used `crm cluster init` in focal or jammy?
[19:11] <kanashiro> ahasenack, I did not try that tbh, I've been using the scripts that I presented to the team
[19:11] <ahasenack> it doesn't seem to generate a valid corosync.conf
[19:11] <ahasenack> ok
[19:11] <kanashiro> and they set up the cluster "manually" (editing files)
[19:12] <kanashiro> for pcs I want to make sure the commands to set up the cluster are working and support all of that
[19:13] <ahasenack> it doesn't generate the `nodelist {}` block :/
[19:14] <ahasenack> I wonder what crm does with the `--nodes="a b c"` parameter it is given then
[19:14] <kanashiro> yeah, redhat is not using crmsh and suse is still using it but I think they provide their own scripts to set up the cluster
[19:20] <ahasenack> ah, I needed to specify `-u`, for unicast
[19:20] <ahasenack> that got me further
[19:22] <ahasenack> I'm having to install csync2, and remove inetd because csync2 is socket activated
[19:27] <kanashiro> ahasenack, if you finish the setup configuration using crmsh it would be great to at least see what you did
[19:28] <ahasenack> yeah, I want to try crmsh, then pcs
[19:28] <ahasenack> then manual
[19:28] <ahasenack> or some other order, depending which one works first :)
[19:28] <ahasenack> do you commonly install `csync2`?
[19:28] <ahasenack> crm asks for it
[19:28] <kanashiro> no, I've never installed it manually
[19:29] <ahasenack> this is what's failing here now I think (I mean, the blocking failure)
[19:29] <ahasenack> May 20 19:26:03 f3 csync2[7734]: SSL: failed to use key file /etc/csync2_ssl_key.pem and/or certificate file /etc/csync2_ssl_cert.pem: Error while reading file. (GNUTLS_E_FILE_ERROR)
[19:30] <ahasenack> that pem file does not exist :P
[19:31] <kanashiro> I do not even know what csync2 does :)
[19:31] <ahasenack> something something keep files in sync between nodes
[19:33] <ahasenack> it's a Suggests of crmsh, probably because only this init command needs it, not the rest
[19:33] <kanashiro> yes
[19:43] <jrwren> I've a few 18.04 hosts I've noticed some strange behavior with unattended-upgrades. The first thing I noticed was it spinning forever (a month before I killed it) - when I run with -d I see many "adjusting candidate version" for packages and then "falling back to adjusting <PKG>'s dependencies recursively" and it just outputs that seemingly forever. I'm guessing there is some recursive dep that it
[19:43] <jrwren> can't resolv? anyone ever seen this or have advise?
[19:45] <samy1028> Hello all, I have another problem with Ubuntu 20.04 FIPS on Azure.  We're trying to install Zabbix-agent2 and I'm getting ":digital envelope routines:EVP_CipherInit_ex:disabled for FIPS:" when using a PSK for TLS connection.  Any ideas?
[19:46] <ahasenack> jrwren: check if `apt-get -f install` gives you any hint
[19:46] <sarnold> jrwren: that reminds me a little bit of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unattended-upgrades/+bug/1396787 -- but it kind of looks like it should have been addressed a few years ago
[19:46] <jrwren> ahasenack: nope. just a list of autoremoves.
[19:46] <samy1028> I know this may not be strictly Ubuntu related as it's deploying from the Zabbix hosted Ubuntu package.
[19:47] <sarnold> samy1028: perhaps the peer you're trying to negotiate with doesn't support FIPS-allowed algorithms?
[19:48] <jrwren> the first thing I did was apt update ; apt install unattended-upgrades to make sure i had the latest unattended-upgrades package.
[19:49] <samy1028> sarnold: hmm..  You know, we've been looking at the agent, perhaps it is the Zabbix server causing the issue, not the client.  I'll pass that idea to my tech working on Zabbix.
[19:49] <samy1028> (sometimes you just need a second set of eyes) :)
[19:49] <sarnold> samy1028: if the zabbix server is reachable by qualys's tls scanner, that might be worth starting up before going on a coffee break :)
[19:50] <sarnold> so true
[19:50] <sarnold> even asking on irc is often enough to help you find the problem yourself :)
[19:50] <sarnold> nothing quite like having a few hundred rubber ducks around to help debug a problem :)
[19:51]  * genii 's ears stick up for moment at the mention of coffee
[19:53] <sarnold> mmm coffee
[20:20] <scortal> scortal here
[20:21] <sarnold> scortal: please stop that
[20:23] <scortal> scortal ubuntu server here.
[20:26] <yurtesen> utkarsh2102: but we also did not get any response from Debian people about my suggestion of removing the ownership config from the logrotate/syslog? or did we?
[20:31] <ahasenack> kanashiro: pcs is easier, just two extra steps needed that were not documented
[20:31] <ahasenack> `pcs cluster destroy` before starting
[20:31] <ahasenack> and `systemctl start corosync pacemaker` at the end, on each node
[20:31] <ahasenack> for some reason it didn't start the services after configuring them, I think
[20:32] <ahasenack> crmsh was a nightmare, all sorts of extra steps, and I couldn't get it to work in the end
[20:32] <kanashiro> ahasenack, nice, I'll try that as well
[20:32] <ahasenack> pcs is
[20:32] <ahasenack> pcs cluster destroy
[20:32] <ahasenack> passwd hacluster
[20:32] <ahasenack> pcs host auth node1 node2 node3
[20:32] <ahasenack> pcs cluster setup myclustername node1 node2 node3
[20:32] <ahasenack> `systemctl start corosync pacemaker` on each node
[20:33] <ahasenack> that gives the basic 3 cluster node, with no resources configured
[20:33] <ahasenack> I used focal, btw
[20:33] <ahasenack> not jammy
[20:33] <ahasenack> I was checking that `node1` thing that is focal only
[20:36] <ahasenack> ah, I may have missed `pcs cluster start --all`
[21:17] <samy1028> sarnold: in case anyone else has the same problem with Zabbix and FIPS on Ubuntu, you have to add "TLSCipherPSK13=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256" to the Zabbix server in order to allow zabbix-agent2 on Ubunto 20.04 FIPS to talk correctly over TLS PSK.
[21:18] <samy1028> It was a server based issue, not the agent.  You pointed us in the right direction sarnold. :)
[21:23] <scortal> ubuntu appsec ftw
[21:25] <sarnold> samy1028: woohoo, thanks for reporting back :D
[21:29] <samy1028> that makes 3 FIPS related items found in the past week and a half. :)
[21:29] <samy1028> One already has a patch in the ubuntu-advantage packages in 20.04.
[21:29] <samy1028> just came out yesterday I think.
[21:38] <sarnold> yeah, FIPS is like a magical "find a lot of assumptions" button


[08:13] <sagaci> hi, I'd like to request an ubuntu member cloak, I currently have an "active" pdpc donation but I'm fine to drop that -- https://launchpad.net/~jpickett
[08:16] <ts2> AlanBell, Pici, topyli, funkyHat ^
[08:18] <AlanBell> hi sagaci
[08:19] <sagaci> hi AlanBell
[08:20] <Tm_T> AlanBell: say +1 for sagaci's cloak request (;
[08:20] <AlanBell> ok, so /ubuntu/member/sagaci then
[08:20] <sagaci> that's fine
[08:21] <AlanBell> staff, can we get an /ubuntu/member/sagaci cloak for sagaci please
[08:28] <christel> i am contemplating it
[08:28] <christel> oh go on then
[08:28] <christel> cloak set, sagaci & AlanBell
[08:28] <christel> :)
[08:30] <AlanBell> thanks christel :)
[08:30] <christel> np :)
[08:31] <Unit193> Congrats, sagaci
[08:39] <sagaci> thanks christel AlanBell Unit193
[08:40] <christel> no problem :)
[19:09] <tech936> hey
[19:10] <Pici> Hi.
[19:10] <tech936> how are you
[19:10] <Pici> Okay. Can we help you with anything?
[19:11] <tech936> yeah i actually wanted to ask something is a private chat ok with you?
[19:11] <Pici> Sure.


[01:02] <Bashing-om> guiverc[m]: As expected: the Gdoc pastie for the summmaries: https://termbin.com/p50vw . Rather large - what remains I try and tackle tomorrow evening.
[01:37] <guiverc[m]> ack & thanks Bashing-om
[04:51] <guiverc[m]> Bashing-om:   draft only; but what I've done so far can be found here https://paste.debian.net/1261198/   (i'm running another OS obviously & used pastebinit)
[05:01] <Bashing-om> guiverc[m]: Great - lookinhg and saving.
[05:11]  * guiverc[m] still hasn't replaced by dead primary PC;  in no hurry given lack of working internet seen as major issue I want fixed first
[05:11] <guiverc[m]> I'll attempt to re-read what I did later today; and maybe able to provide a new pastebinit, OR suggested edits...
[05:11] <Bashing-om> guiverc[m]: Ya done so good :D We can work with that !
[22:23] <Bashing-om> Planet: https://planet.ubuntu.com -- I have seen no activity since 08Nov; Is there a problem ?
[22:34] <krytarik> Huh, seems like. :o  But it's not our domain, so maybe poke #canonical-sysadmin about it.
[22:35] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Ack - I can give em a poke.


[14:31] <jphilips> 20.04.2 download link updated on the website
[14:54] <jphilips> announcement released on facebook and twitter
[14:55] <jphilips> bluesabre: has the two bugs in 'known issues' been resolved for 20.04.2 and can be removed from the released page?
[15:46] <jphilips> bluesabre: we should try to get this into 20.04 as it seems it won't be done upstream https://gitlab.xfce.org/xfce/exo/-/commit/b41b65612085a145622d23207b810e9cbb40e3cb
[15:46] <ubot3> Commit b41b656 in xfce/exo "Allow resizing the xfce4-settings window smaller (fixes #19)"


[07:49] <mzanetti> popey, https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/reminders-app/remove-stale-lock-files/+merge/293355
[08:31] <mzanetti> popey, https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/reminders-app/fix-edit-button/+merge/293363
[08:32] <davmor2> \o/
[09:11] <rawcoder> hi
[09:12] <rawcoder> I was wondering where are the official docs for ubuntu appindicator API
[09:14] <rawcoder> can anyone here point to official ubuntu appindicator docs?
[09:24] <davidcalle> rawcoder: http://unity.ubuntu.com/projects/appindicators
[09:25] <rawcoder> davidcalle: thanks, but these are outdated
[09:27] <davidcalle> rawcoder: which language API are you looking for?
[09:27] <rawcoder> davidcalle: python
[09:27] <rawcoder> davidcalle: specfically the gobject bindings
[09:28] <rawcoder> davidcalle, I found this https://lazka.github.io/pgi-docs/#AppIndicator3-0.1 but is this official?
[09:37] <davidcalle> rawcoder: not sure what official would mean in this case, but it's doc generated from the source project, so it should work. Also: http://candidtim.github.io/appindicator/2014/09/13/ubuntu-appindicator-step-by-step.html
[09:38] <rawcoder> davidcalle, by official I mean it would work for any supported version of ubuntu from 12.04 to 16.04
[09:40] <davidcalle> rawcoder: I wouldn't know about 12.04, but this should work for 14.04 and up.
[09:40] <rawcoder> davidcalle, sounds cool, thanks!
[09:40] <davidcalle> tedg: do you know the best way to get this doc? ^
[13:27] <bzoltan_> is here anybody who was suffering recently from broken click chroots? i have a fix and I could use some testing on Trusty and on Wily
[13:41] <tedg> davidcalle: I don't think we wrote those docs.
[13:41] <tedg> davidcalle: We have some material in the Wiki, but I don't think it is as nice.
[14:56] <davidcalle> tedg: yeah, I was just wondering since you were involved in libappindicator, if you knew the best way to get/generate the most updated ones. (IIRC, we used something called giraffe at some point to generate python bindings doc)
[14:57] <tedg> davidcalle: Oh, I remember giraffe! :-)
[14:57] <tedg> davidcalle: No, I don't know of a way sadly.
[14:57] <davidcalle> tedg: thanks :)
[15:15] <robert_ancell> who can do a manual review of a click package?
[15:19] <beuno> robert_ancell, hi
[15:19] <robert_ancell> beuno, hi
[15:19] <beuno> Chatter?
[15:19] <robert_ancell> yep
[15:19] <beuno> robert_ancell, approved
[15:19] <robert_ancell> Not sure why the last upload triggered manual
[15:19] <beuno> the store is in manual mode atm
[15:19] <robert_ancell> beuno, ta
[15:19] <robert_ancell> ok
[15:19] <beuno> while we work through some stuff
[15:20] <robert_ancell> I must have uploaded version 3 just minutes before you made the switch :)
[15:20] <beuno> yeah, it was very recent  :)
[17:42] <dobey> hmm
[17:42] <dobey> what's the magic to force an app into side stage?
[19:21] <popey> dobey: 3 fingers?
[19:23] <dobey> popey: i mean, i want may app to always appear in the side stage when it is run
[19:24] <dobey> my
[19:24] <popey> ah
[19:31] <dobey> isn't there some entry one puts in the .desktop file to do that?
[19:31] <dobey> searching on ddg for "ubuntu side stage" didn't help


[00:14] <Yasumoto_> should a sync from debian wait until karmic opens?
[00:22] <nhandler> Yasumoto_: If it is not necessary to have the new version in Jaunty, then yes
[00:32] <Yasumoto_> nhandler: darn, alright. I've been playing around with the recently released version of guake, and it feels much more solid than the one currently in the repos
[00:44] <leonel> scottK what will be the procedure for  bug 354189  in hardy , Backport from intrepid or bug fix ?
[01:06] <gouki> I've been running into several 404 with mirrors of packages.ubuntu.com. Would a report of these be something of interest?
[01:24] <directhex> gouki, running jaunty?
[01:25] <gouki> directhex, manual downloads of packages.
[01:25] <directhex> gouki, manual downloads for jaunty?
[01:26] <gouki> directhex, yes, some of them.
[01:26] <directhex> gouki, jaunty often updates more frequently than some mirrors, so 404s happen fairly often when the packages.ubuntu.com site expects mirrors to be up-to-date
[01:26] <gouki> directhex, ohh, got it. Thanks.
[02:39] <xxxxx1> hey
[02:45] <ScottK> leonel: I want to get the 0.95.1 fixes into intrepid-security and then backport that and push it to hardy-security with rdepends.
[08:29] <savvas> does anyone have two PPAs in their account to check the format of the second ppa?
[08:38] <savvas> darn I forgot to subscribe motu sponsors for bug 237674
[08:38] <savvas> and I've been wondering why no-one replied :P
[08:38] <savvas> I guess it's too late now
[11:37] <cjwatson> bdmurray: re bug 349114, we shouldn't be adding patch systems to packages that don't already have them. If the package doesn't have a patch system, the source should just be patched directly rather than via a dpatch file or whatever. (I know you just sponsored this and weren't the original contributor ...)
[11:42] <mok0> cjwatson: speaking of which, all packages ought to have a patch system... I believe that will happen with the source package format 3.0
[11:45] <mok0> But when that will be deployed is what I'd like to know...
[11:48] <DktrKranz> mok0, patches against dak have been proposed, but they need to be tested
[11:49] <cjwatson> mok0: I reject that premise
[11:50] <cjwatson> but I agree that format 3.0 is likely to help matters
[11:52] <cjwatson> the problem with patch systems today, as many maintainers see it, is that dpkg-source -x doesn't give you the source that will be built, and you need an extra step. Format 3.0 will at least fix this problem, and will hopefully mean that we no longer need to consider "patch systems" as such - it'll just be integrated into the packaging system
[12:09] <mok0> cjwatson: so no news when 3.0 goes into production mode?
[12:11] <mok0> cjwatson: We can't test it if it's  not deployed
[12:12]  * maxb supposes that would really be a question for the Soyuz folks
[13:04] <cjwatson> mok0: I don't know
[15:18] <ScottK> cjwatson: albatross accepted.  Thank you.
[15:58] <cjwatson> ScottK: ta
[16:39]  * ScottK notes to people that 'final freeze' doesn't me stop work, it means we still want stuff fixed, just want to check.
[16:39] <ScottK> If someone has an upload, feel free to ping me for a motu-release ack.
[16:46] <superm1> ScottK, bug 350962 . i'm just about to subscribe motu-release for it
[16:47] <superm1> er well i think gnome-screensaver is main isn't it, so i guess i need ubuntu-release.  nvm
[16:50] <ScottK> Yep
[16:51] <ScottK> cemc: Looking at gurlchecker now.
[16:52] <ScottK> I dropped your doc changes (since we're close to release and those really ought to go into a separate -doc package) and the standards version change (we don't change standards version from Debian as a matter of Ubuntu policy).
[16:56] <ScottK> cody-somerville: Are you good with the libxfce4util and xubuntu-default-settings uploads?
[16:58] <cemc> ScottK: got it
[16:59] <ScottK> cemc: Uploaded.  Please review how I formated debian/changelog after it's in the archive.
[17:00] <mr_pouit> ScottK: they are ok
[17:00] <ScottK> mr_pouit: Thanks.
[17:02] <ScottK> mr_pouit (and cody-somerville): accepted
[17:05] <mr_pouit> ScottK: thanks.
[17:35] <mr_pouit> superm1: for which apps is this xfce4-utils fix needed?
[17:35] <superm1> mr_pouit, startxfce4
[17:35] <superm1> mr_pouit, it needs to keep /etc/xdg in XDG_CONFIG_DIRS
[17:35] <superm1> as well as whatever is being used by xubuntu, mythbuntu ,etc
[17:35] <mr_pouit> mmh, libxfce4util already adds /etc/xdg by default iirc
[17:37] <superm1> well i was checking export output, and it was definitely not present in xubuntu or mythbuntu
[17:37] <superm1> tried dailies from both today.  after making this change, gnome-screensaver-preferences shows all the right screensavers...
[17:37] <mr_pouit> ah ok, fine then
[17:38] <ScottK> mr_pouit: Please let me know if I should accept it?
[17:38] <mr_pouit> (non xfce apps don't use libxfce4util ^^)
[17:38] <mr_pouit> ScottK: yes, it looks fine
[17:39] <ScottK> mr_pouit: OK.  Thanks.
[17:39] <ScottK> mr_pouit and superm1: Accepted.
[17:39] <superm1> thanks
[17:40] <superm1> i'll have one more for mythbuntu-default-settings, but i need to work out another menu bug for it first
[17:41] <superm1> mr_pouit, i've been seeing this weird situation going on where xfce4-panel isn't spawning occasionally on login.  you guys been coming across that at all?
[17:42] <mr_pouit> ScottK: thanks.
[17:42] <ScottK> No problem.
[17:43] <mr_pouit> superm1: no (sometimes it takes a very long time here, but it always eventually starts)
[17:43] <superm1> mr_pouit, hm very odd then.  i've been seeing it quite frequently from fresh installs in a VM, but wasn't really sure what to blame it upon since I just reboot and it comes up the next time
[17:44] <superm1> i'm wondering if it's only happening before xfconf gets things prepped in ~/.config
[17:45] <superm1> because it's also happening to xfdesktop sometimes too
[17:45] <mr_pouit> (superm1: btw, can I merge ~superm1/xfce4-utils/fix-xdg-fallback to xfce4-utils?)
[17:46] <superm1> mr_pouit, yeah, i didnt get the merge request filed yet (Wish there was a way to do that directly from bzr and/or debcommit)
[17:47] <mr_pouit> done
[17:47] <superm1> thx
[17:57] <superm1> ok ScottK i've got the mythbuntu-default-settings one sorted out too, and then ubuntu-release will have to handle the last task
[17:58] <ScottK> superm1: OK.  Ping me when it's uploaded.
[18:00] <superm1> ScottK, okay just got the waiting for approval email
[18:00]  * ScottK looks
[18:01] <ScottK> superm1: Accepted.
[18:01] <superm1> thanks.  okay so now on to harder bugs :)
[18:49] <YokoZar> Can I sponsor a small change upload that's been in the sponsorship queue for like 3 weeks or is it too late for this now?
[18:50] <DktrKranz> YokoZar, which kind of change?
[18:51] <YokoZar> Moves a suggests to a depends and uses the dependent package's icon
[18:51] <YokoZar> instead of duplicating it
[18:51] <DktrKranz> is dependency really required?
[18:52] <DktrKranz> if not, I'd go for Karmic at this point
[18:53] <YokoZar> DktrKranz: the program is an xmms2 client, the dependency in question is on xmms2, so yeah I'd say it's required
[18:53] <DktrKranz> bug number?
[18:53] <YokoZar> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/esperanza/+bug/342221
[18:53] <YokoZar> I built/tested it so it works fine
[18:55] <YokoZar> Actually
[18:55] <DktrKranz> I don't see the point in moving a package to Depends only for an icon
[18:55] <YokoZar> I guess it might be possible to use remote xmms streams without a local xmmsd running
[18:55] <YokoZar> I'm only now becoming aware that xmms just changed this way
[18:56] <YokoZar> DktrKranz: Right, the question is really if it should be depends or not
[18:56] <DktrKranz> Indeed.
[18:57] <DktrKranz> OTOH, icon is a Ubuntu change, it could be worth pushing it to Debian
[19:02] <ScottK> YokoZar: Sounds like recommends might be better (without looking further than the backscroll)
[19:51] <YokoZar> ScottK: yeah, either way not depends, so it should have a separate icon, so I can feel ok not sponsoring this one for now
[20:20] <jdong> directhex: it would seem like Phoronix forgot to test Bork File Encrypter performance with the Logitech MX1100 cordless mouse review.
[20:21] <jdong> *ducks* (joking)
[20:21] <directhex> jdong, their hearts are in the right place!
[20:21] <jdong> I know, I know, <3 Michael
[20:56] <cellofellow> is the ubuntu-packaged cherokee web server compiled with fcgi and scgi support?
[21:03] <superm1> cellofellow, well how do you check to find out? would the build log show it?
[21:03] <superm1> if so, then take a look here: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cherokee/0.11.6-1
[21:38] <gouki> When a software isn't licensed (and the author doesn't reply to the emails), this software can't be packaged, right?
[21:39] <ScottK> That's correct
[21:39] <gouki> ScottK, ok. Thanks.
[21:51] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[22:13] <CarlFK> if Makefile doesn't have an install: , should I patch Makefile, or is there some way to tell debian/rules to install the binary to /usr/bin?
[22:14] <CarlFK> codewad is http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdf417encode/    wget http://voxel.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/pdf417encode/pdf417_enc.4.4.tar.gz


[09:23] <alan_g> alf_: are you getting somewhere with CI failure?
[09:26] <alf_> alan_g: I have a few things I want to try (experimental MPs), but got blocked by the Display.* failures
[09:27] <alf_> alan_g: I am close to an MP for the new failures, so I should have some results soon.
[09:27] <alan_g> alf_: cool, thanks.
[12:31] <slvn_> hello !
[12:31] <slvn_> I have some issue to debug maybe someone can help :
[12:32] <slvn_> I have an app on ubuntu-phone that tries to go fullscreen, but the top status bar is always there.
[12:33] <slvn_> if I use "mir_surface_spec_set_state( fullscreen )" before creating the surface, it works.
[12:33] <slvn_> but I try to use it after creating the surface,  using "apply_spec" it does not work ...
[12:33] <slvn_> there is no error message .. the request just seem to be discarded ... any idea ?
[12:35] <alan_g> slvn_: I suspect that surface modification requests are not supported by unity8/qtmir yet.
[12:37] <alan_g> I know that greyback_ and I are planning to do some work on the qtmir aspects starting tomorrow
[12:37] <slvn_> well ... maybe this is the good reason ...
[12:38] <greyback_> slvn_: unfortunately yes, that's not working yet on the unity8 side
[12:38] <slvn_> I have also tried to call the function "mir_wait_for( mir_surface_set_state(fullscreen) )" after the surface_create, and this one was working.
[12:38] <slvn_> does this make sense ?
[12:40] <greyback_> slvn_: not really, but I think you've hit a code-path we've not tried yet. Would you log a bug please?
[12:40] <greyback_> slvn_: please log against the project "qtmir"
[12:41] <mcphail> slvn_: can you post the bug number here so I can follow it? Keen to see this improved
[12:42] <slvn_> hmm ... I dont really know what to log, because to me, the mir_wait_for(..)  is expected to be working ! I saw this code in lp:qtubuntu when doing SetfullScreen
[12:42] <alan_g> slvn_: it makes sense in that there are some (essentially legacy) functions that are supported, but the apply_spec is the (not working yet) future.
[12:44] <alan_g> Unfortunately the qtmir/u8 support for "apply_spec" got delayed as there were more urgent priorities.
[12:44] <slvn_> ok, I got it ! just get confused because there was no error, and wasn't working
[12:45] <slvn_> you want me to fill a bug report for which part ?
[12:45] <slvn_> since, I have an explanation I am fine :)
[12:45] <alan_g> "apply_spec" not supported by qtmir/u8
[12:46] <slvn_> ok !
[12:51] <mzanetti> anpok, ping
[12:52] <slvn_>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtmir/+bug/1519338
[12:54] <mcphail> greyback_: aww - give it a "High" priority - medium bugs are never fixed :p
[12:55] <greyback_> mcphail: it'll be fixed :) Especially as we'll definitely be moving to the newer way (apply_spec)
[12:58] <mcphail> greyback_: cheers :)
[13:57] <anpok> mzanetti: pong?
[13:57] <mzanetti> hey anpok
[13:57] <mzanetti> anpok, https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/uinput/+merge/277572/comments/704818


[00:36] <Sarvatt> wonderful, nv doesn't even work on my laptop with xserver 1.7 :D
[00:37] <Sarvatt> sounds like people using nvidia have been stuck on vesa for almost a month now if they dont use PPAs or the .runs straight from nvidia
[05:23] <Sarvatt> ah hah, it only took me a month or so there to figure out i need to use alt+f7 to switch from VT to X now for some reason.. :D control blocks it
[05:29] <hyperair> huh?
[05:29] <hyperair> it shouldn't..
[05:29] <hyperair> what kernel are you using?
[05:29] <hyperair> or perhaps getty
[06:20] <RAOF> It does if you've accidentally set raw mode on your keyboard, I think.
[09:39] <hyperair> hmm
[13:35] <unggnu> hi all
[13:35] <unggnu> Any news about Nouveau and 10.04?
[16:37] <Sarvatt> hmm, having a ChangeLog in the orig.tar.gz isn't worth having a delta to debian is it? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/intel-gpu-tools/+bug/500039
[16:37] <Sarvatt> I only added it to the previous one because there was one in the one before that, and there wasn't a debian upstream for it back then
[16:38] <hyperair> i think it should be "from"
[18:26] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: right
[19:26] <tseliot> tjaalton, bryce_: do you know why I get this? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/347729/
[19:27] <tseliot> src/libXNVCtrlAttributes/NvCtrlAttributesVidMode.c:195:2: warning: #warning Old xf86vmode.h; dynamic gamma ramp support will not be compiled.
[19:27] <tseliot> which means that this fails:
[19:27] <tseliot> #if defined(X_XF86VidModeGetGammaRampSize)
[19:28] <tseliot> I patched the package with an additional check but X_XF86VidModeGetGammaRampSize should be defined in Lucid
[19:29] <tseliot> as it defined in Karmic
[19:29] <tseliot> jcristau: ^^
[19:47] <tseliot> never mind... it looks like they moved the definition of X_XF86VidModeGetGammaRampSize from xf86vmode.h to xf86vmproto.h
[19:47] <tseliot> I wonder what else was broken in the process...
[19:52] <tjaalton> some headers were moved, just fix the build-deps :)
[20:15] <Sarvatt> need a little more than that, i had to add a patch too when I built it a few weeks ago -- http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=290432
[20:15] <Sarvatt> oops, wrong bug
[20:16] <Sarvatt> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=289744
[20:19] <tseliot> yes, it's a matter of including an additional header
[20:21] <tseliot> I think we should have a look at all the packages that have libxxf86vm-dev as a build dependency
[20:25] <tseliot> tjaalton: ^
[20:35] <tseliot> BTW I'm taking care of nvidia-settings
[20:37] <Sarvatt> sweet! there's been a bug with the old jaunty version that hasn't been updated throughout karmic and lucid with Xv contrast level ranges changing and it not being able to cope
[20:38] <Sarvatt> (in 185+)
[21:20] <Sarvatt> hmm, thats odd. just tried out an arch spin for this aspire one to see if I had suspend/resume problems there and noticed framebuffer compression actually worked with KMS and said it was enabled in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[21:21] <Sarvatt> shoulda looked to see if it was getting enabled in the xorg.conf, i've never not seen [    0.508696] (**) intel(0): Kernel mode setting active, disabling FBC. on ubuntu even though its supposed to default to enabled on mobile chipsets
[21:23] <Sarvatt> when using KMS that is, it worked back in the day with UMS
[21:27] <Sarvatt> nope specifying it in xorg.conf didn't work, thats strange
[21:28] <jcristau> on kms the X driver doesn't handle fbc at all, afaik
[21:29] <Sarvatt> ahhh I think I was just assuming it was using KMS because it was using dri2 when it was just using uxa with UMS probably, that'd explain it
[21:31] <Sarvatt> i've got radeon on the brain where it needs KMS for dri2 because of using exa, been a long time since i used UMS
[21:35] <tjaalton> bah, tseliot left already
[21:35] <tjaalton> checked every package that ftbfs, none of them fail because of libxxf86vm-dev
[21:38] <Sarvatt> thanks for pushing that xi2 test fix to 1.7 branch nominations btw jcristau, it did let me build xserver on powerpc
[21:43] <jcristau> well i spent a few hours tracking that one down :)
[21:47] <Sarvatt> ah framebuffer compression is working in KMS here -- FBC_CONTROL: 0xc1f407e3
[21:47] <Sarvatt> oh i didnt see you were the author too, thanks for fixing it too! :D
[22:02] <Sarvatt> wow what the heck happened to gcalctool, it doesnt do base conversions anymore
[22:12] <Sarvatt> the programming view shows the binary for decimal but not for hex, thats kind of silly
[22:12] <Sarvatt> ahh ok its just non-intuitive