[00:02] <micahg> malev: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Old%20untouched%20bugs
[00:03] <hggdh> micahg: thank you for correcting the typo in the TB bug
[00:04] <malev> micahg, well yes, but it is not that old. And the thing is that I can't reproduce it. in fact, telnet works really fine. I think it is a mistake from the reporter. He is using an incorrect key
[00:04] <malev> what do you think?
[00:04] <micahg> malev: the last response from the OR is 10 months ago
[00:05] <micahg> hggdh: no problem
[00:05] <malev> micahg, haha oks! you're right
[00:09] <malev> anyone who speaks spanish here?
[00:09] <micahg> malev: why?
[00:10] <malev> micahg, I'm replying to a reporter and as I have all the windows in spanish, I cant' give him the exacly option to change.
[00:10] <malev> micahg, in nautilus -> edit -> preferencies, what is the name of the 5th tab?
[00:10] <micahg> malev: I don't use gnome
[00:11] <malev> I'm working on this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/497210
[00:11] <hggdh> malev, wait
[00:11] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 497210 in nautilus "freezes indefinitely with busy cursor when viewing folder with many/large files" [Undecided,New]
[00:12] <malev> and I think the problem is because nautilus is trying to thumbnalize the gigant files and that takes forever :S
[00:12] <hggdh> malev you mean "Preview"?
[00:12] <malev> I'm gonna ask to change his settings
[00:12] <malev> hggdh, micahg thanks!!
[00:13]  * hggdh does not speak Spanish, but can read it (almost) fine -- not that different from Portuguese
[00:57] <malev> this can't be a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/497221
[00:57] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 497221 in ubuntu "No sound in HP Pavilion dv6z laptop with ubuntu 9.10" [Undecided,New]
[01:04] <micahg> malev: check this out: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[01:06] <malev> other thing. #497234  and #497233 are the same bugs. Can anyone close one of them?
[01:06] <malev> micahg, I'm gonna check and reply the user. thanks
[01:07] <micahg> malev: you can mark one as a duplicate...we generally make the newer one a duplicate of the older one unless there is more information in the newer one
[01:08] <malev> thanks!
[01:10] <hggdh> malev: you yourself can set one as a duplicate of the other
[01:10] <hggdh> this is all that is needed
[01:10] <malev> hggdh, done thanks
[01:11] <hggdh> also -- you *can* set a bug to INVALID
[02:07] <WeatherGod> could somebody look over bug 487804 and mark it as Triaged against Grub?
[02:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 487804 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "Touchpad not working" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/487804
[02:07] <WeatherGod> looks like it was another one of those upgrade issues with grub not setting menu.lst correctly
[02:08] <micahg> WeatherGod: is it a duplicate?
[02:10] <WeatherGod> from what I remember from how we were dealing with sound issues, the grub people asked us not to mark it  as a duplicate of bug 470265 unless there was a demonstrated fubar of /etc/kernel-img.conf
[02:10] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 470265 in grub "jaunty to karmic upgrade failed to update menu.lst (update-grub missing from kernel-img.conf)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/470265
[02:10] <maco> yep yep
[02:10] <WeatherGod> so, I have been setting them as a bug task for grub and triaged
[02:11] <micahg> WeatherGod: yes, but if there are a lot with the same cause, would it not be better to make a master out of the other causes?
[02:11] <micahg> or are they all separate problems?
[02:11] <maco> there are a few problems
[02:12] <maco> one is the /etc/kernel-img.conf
[02:12] <maco> some people are being asked "do you want to accept maintainer's version?" getting confused and hitting no. dunno why its asking though
[02:12] <WeatherGod> this one was odd in that 'update-grub' did not modify the user's menu.lst file
[02:12] <maco> some are ones where even after "sudo update-grub" (which works around the kernel-img.conf problem), its STILL not updated
[02:13] <maco> right, thats a different bug
[02:13] <WeatherGod> luckily, the user was experienced enough to modify it himself
[02:13] <maco> but its one ive seen at least twice
[02:13] <maco> in #ubuntu
[02:13] <WeatherGod> first for me
[02:13] <micahg> ok, so if we have a lot of those, they should all be duped to one bug right?
[02:13] <WeatherGod> heh, you would think
[02:14] <micahg> what about bug 470490?
[02:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 470490 in ubuntu-release-notes "[MASTER] Grub does not update menu.lst when it was hand-edited (so it defaults to old 2.6.28 kernel after upgrade to ubuntu 9.10 from 9.04)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/470490
[02:14] <WeatherGod> this policy was set in place a month ago when the grub people were getting upset that the sound people were marking a ton of bugs  as dupes of that one I mentioned
[02:15] <micahg> WeatherGod: right, because that's one bug, but that doesn't mean the other bugs all have to be separate
[02:15] <WeatherGod> hmmm, that's interesting
[02:15] <micahg> WeatherGod: they just didn't want you mistakenly duping that particular bug I would think
[02:15] <WeatherGod> and is it a coincidence that the user already knew how to edit a menu.lst file?
[02:15] <WeatherGod> possibly
[02:16] <WeatherGod> my bug probably fits in with that one
[02:16] <WeatherGod> I will ask the OR if he happened to have edited menu.lst before
[02:17] <maco> that should be unrelated
[02:17] <maco> wait oh i see
[02:17]  * maco reads back
[02:17] <maco> heh
[02:18] <maco> so if you edited it you MIGHT get asked about maintainer version or you MIGHT get broken update-grub? lovely
[02:18] <WeatherGod> go figure
[02:18] <nigel_nb> maco: I never edited manually, but I got that prompt
[02:18] <maco> nigel_nb: ugh
[02:18] <nigel_nb> to which I instinctively (and stupidly) said no, btw
[02:19] <maco> eh reasonable. the default is no
[02:19] <nigel_nb> it popped up and I pressed enter before even I read it :(
[02:20] <WeatherGod> bad nigel!
[02:20] <WeatherGod> :P
[02:20]  * nigel_nb goes to a corner and cries
[02:20] <WeatherGod> you have been using Windows for too long, have you?
[02:20] <nigel_nb> WeatherGod: from 3.1
[02:20] <nigel_nb> to Vista
[02:21] <WeatherGod> wow... that's... impressive
[02:21] <WeatherGod> I gave up after XP
[02:21] <WeatherGod> :P
[02:21] <nigel_nb> WeatherGod: yea, it shows how much bs I can put up with
[02:22] <WeatherGod> heh
[02:22] <nigel_nb> have any idea on how to play a video with totem player?
[02:22] <nigel_nb> what am I asking.. i mean a online radio
[02:22] <WeatherGod> yeah.... use mplayer
[02:23] <nigel_nb> no no, I got a bug I'm trying to confirm
[02:23] <nigel_nb> bug 497192
[02:23] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 497192 in gstreamer0.10 "totem doesnt respond when internet connection is lost while playing audio stream" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/497192
[02:23] <nigel_nb> since I can't play the stream at all, I donno what to do
[02:25] <WeatherGod> I could have sworn I saw that one already
[02:25] <nigel_nb> probably,
[02:25] <nigel_nb> u commented on the one on top of it
[02:25] <WeatherGod> with rhythmbox
[02:26] <nigel_nb> the rhythmbox bug is fixed
[02:26] <nigel_nb> in lucid
[02:26] <WeatherGod> ok, but is this one the same?
[02:27] <WeatherGod> are they both using the same backend?
[02:27] <nigel_nb> no
[02:28] <WeatherGod> ah, ok
[02:30] <WeatherGod> dtchen, when you are able, could you take a look at bug 486207?
[02:30] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 486207 in linux "sound is disabled" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/486207
[02:32] <nigel_nb> xorg troubles are reported under xorg-server?
[02:49] <nigel_nb> um, micahg, got a min?
[02:56] <micahg> nigel_nb: sure
[02:56] <nigel_nb> check out bug 497117
[02:56] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 497117 in firefox-3.5 "Firefox appears to crash Ubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/497117
[02:56] <nigel_nb> does it have enough info?
[02:56] <nigel_nb> you need a bt right?
[02:57] <micahg> nigel_nb: bt, which pages it crashes if possible
[02:57] <micahg> nigel_nb: oh, users already says what pages
[02:57] <nigel_nb> yep
[02:57] <nigel_nb> so only a bt
[02:57] <nigel_nb> now the question is how do I get it :)
[02:57] <micahg> nigel_nb: video card info would be nice
[02:59] <micahg> nigel_nb: might want to check video card before bt
[02:59] <nigel_nb> so I'll ask for video card info, thanks micahg :)
[03:00] <micahg> nigel_nb: it's most likely an x crash
[03:00] <nigel_nb> okay
[03:01] <nigel_nb> um, so what do I ask? can you give us details of your video card?
[03:01] <micahg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Triaging
[03:02] <micahg> nigel_nb: apport-collect -p xserver-xorg BUG#
[03:02] <nigel_nb> micahg: ah, an apport collect, best way :)
[03:02] <micahg> nigel_nb: it'll save on the back and forth
[03:03] <nigel_nb> I'll change the package to x?
[03:04] <micahg> nigel_nb: you can remove the firefox package, subscribe me, and wait until you see if they are using a proprietary driver
[03:04] <nigel_nb> micahg: no package then?
[03:04] <micahg> nigel_nb: not until you know which one to assign to
[03:05] <nigel_nb> micahg: hold on, so what do I do with the package again?
[03:05]  * nigel_nb is really tired after only 3 hours of sleep yday
[03:05] <micahg> nigel_nb: just remove it, if you click on the arrow next to the bug task, you can see the package name in a text box, you can delete that and add your comment at the same time
[03:06] <nigel_nb> micahg: thanks.  :)
[03:06] <nigel_nb> I guess its time to stop, I need sleep
[03:14] <dtchen> WeatherGod: commented
[03:14] <WeatherGod> ok, thanks
[03:18] <WeatherGod> dtchen, does it matter if they do that while sound is missing?
[03:19] <dtchen> WeatherGod: no, because he'll need to kill and restart pulseaudio as part of the process
[03:20] <WeatherGod> ok
[05:20] <malev> is there anyone live here?
[06:59] <thekorn> good morning
[07:07] <drizzle> morning
[08:31] <echotone> I run a NVIDIA geforce 9500gt. Does anybody know why after a reboot my computer looks great but then after maybe 10 minutes (sometimes more/less) it looks like an old tv with bad reception? The windows freeze, my mouse freezes, it resets my desktop effects its fuzzy all over. and a dialog box pops up to tell me that the screen is not composited. please restart compize...etc
[08:53] <micahg> echotone: nope, maybe check in #ubuntu
[08:55] <echotone> i am in several chats...nobody else either. thanks though
[11:57] <alvin> What do you guys do with bugs like bug 482945? The reporter states that his computer crashes because of a bad drive, if I interpret the message right. That's it.
[11:57] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 482945 in ubuntu "I am actually using kubuntu 9.10 that I did a fresh install with a disc sent to me from launchpad. now my hard drive is about to fail so I am going back to 9.04. it crashes alot. I am using a live cd to do this report. " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/482945
[11:59] <persia> Generally hardware errors are marked "Invalid".
[11:59] <persia> It's probably worth telling the reporter that changing the version of the OS is unlikely to extend the life of the drive.
[12:04] <alvin> Thx, I will do that.
[12:26] <fujimitsu> uncommenting "export LL_BAD_OPENAL_DRIVER=x" on the executable for program snowglobe viewer seemed to have fixed high load issue, which also caused graphics card to overheat ... still testing if it will remain stable over extended periods
[12:27] <fujimitsu> ubuntu 9.10 x64
[13:49] <persia> qense: Somehow I thought the discussion was here (which seems like a better place).
[13:49] <persia> But http://launchpadlibrarian.net/36693130/USB_Flash_Memory_error.png shows the same error as 466575
[13:49] <persia> That's not the same error reported for 486024
[13:49] <persia> (SENSE_ERROR vs. busy)
[13:56] <persia> Netsplit over, so repeating myself.
[13:56] <persia> qense: Somehow I thought the discussion was here (which seems like a better place).
[13:56] <persia> But http://launchpadlibrarian.net/36693130/USB_Flash_Memory_error.png shows the same error as 466575
[13:56] <persia> (SENSE_ERROR vs. busy)
[13:58] <qense> persia: thanks!
[13:58] <qense> ah, I see, that's the image of the bug that's already a dup of 466575
[13:59] <persia> RIght.
[13:59] <persia> Persoanlly, I think 486024 is really a bug in the presentation of the error.
[14:00] <persia> Users not familiar with stuff like lsof may have difficulties discovering what is using the device.
[14:00] <qense> true
[14:00] <qense> 486024 looks similar the other bug that was not a duplicate of 466575
[14:00] <qense> wait
[14:00] <qense> that was the other
[14:01] <qense> so i486024 is actually more a Wishlist for a GUI or something similar when devices are busy, don't you think?
[14:06] <persia> I believe that 486024, as filed, is an invalid bug due to user error.
[14:06] <persia> But I believe that this happens because the way that we tell users that they can't remove media because some program is using it isn't very helpful to people who aren't expecting it.
[14:07] <persia> And that there is a bug inherent in that poor quality of representation of the problem.
[14:08] <persia> Whether to use 486024 as a vehicle to describe the usability issue, or to mark it invalid due to user error is somewhat a personal decision.
[14:08] <yofel> bug 486024
[14:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 486024 in devicekit-disks "Safely remove drive fails to unmount if data was written to drive." [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/486024
[14:08] <qense> That makes sense. I'll reshape the bug in something valid and look upstream, dismissing it would mean the loss of the report of something that could be done.
[14:09] <qense> persia: thanks for your help!
[14:09] <persia> yofel: Sorry.  I brought a discussion from #ubuntu-devel back here without context.
[14:09] <yofel> persia: np, was just curious
[14:09] <persia> qense: Happy to help, although I still think this is the best place to contact devs about bugs, rather than -devel.
[14:09] <qense> ok, I'll keep that in mind next time I've got a question
[14:09] <persia> Of course, if not enough devs show up here, we need to encourage more to idle, but that's a separate issue :)
[14:10] <qense> we also need questions here to make it useful for devs to come and idle
[14:10] <persia> True, although there's some discussion here, which is nice.
[14:11] <persia> Not as much as long ago, but I think that most devs are working on improvements these days, rather than trying to stomp random bugs.
[14:11] <qense> true
[14:11] <persia> (which is different than long ago, when stuff was just way broken)
[14:12] <qense> We do have less urgent/problematic bugs now than before, but I wouldn't mind more (extra, not taking them away from improvements) devs working on bug fixes.
[14:12] <qense> If I compare Karmic to Breezy we've come a long way with stability/reliability.
[14:14] <persia> Yeah, that's about the same comparison I'm making in terms of -bugs traffic.
[14:15] <qense> well, I'd rather have no bugs to triage, so it's not bad if there are less problems to talk about. But we should make sure this channel does stay very active.
[14:15] <persia> Well, people just need to ask more questions as they triage
[14:16] <persia> (and some of us (like me) should spend more time triaging)
[14:17] <qense> It's better to ask and learn than to not ask and do something wrong.
[14:18]  * yofel would like if SRU requests would be taken a bit more seriously (like bug 402188)
[14:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 402188 in pida "gvim complains about "gtk_form_set_static_gravity: assertion `static_gravity_supported' failed" in the shell it's started from" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/402188
[14:19] <yofel> I would even be fine with *any* response...
[14:19]  * persia looks
[14:20] <persia> yofel: You mean some response to your debdiff?
[14:21] <yofel> persia: yep, or more like: does this qualify for an SRU or not?
[14:23] <yofel> the debdiff itself contains nothing more than a changelog entry and the upstream patch
[14:24] <persia> That's the normal sort of debdiff :)
[14:25] <persia> I'm not convinced the description meets the requirements for item #2 in the SRU Procedure
[14:25] <persia> !SRU
[14:25] <ubot4> Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[14:26] <persia> I also thought the procedure was to upload and that the SRU team reviewed the uploaded bugs, rather than getting approval first.
[14:26] <yofel> persia: well, for lucid the package needs to be merged with debian, the newer package there contains the patch
[14:26] <persia> But I could be wrong about that.
[14:27] <persia> yofel: Ah, so the fix isn't in lucid yet?  That would block a karmic SRU.
[14:27] <yofel> ok, so I should wait for the package to be merged and then ask again?
[14:28] <persia> You could, or you could help with the merge to speed that.
[14:28] <persia> As soon as you submit a debdiff, you start getting treated as a developer :)
[14:29] <persia> I can't do anything with that package, so I can only give you advise.
[14:29] <yofel> haha, well, might think about it, I should have time over the weekend
[14:47] <persia> !bt
[14:47] <ubot4> Factoid 'bt' not found
[14:47] <persia> !backtrack
[14:47] <ubot4> There are some Ubuntu derivatives that we cannot provide support for due to repository and software changes. Please consult their websites for more information. Examples: gNewSense (support in #gnewsense), Linux Mint (see !mintsupport), LinuxMCE (support in #linuxmce), crunchbang (support in #crunchbang), BackTrack (support in #remote-exploit)
[14:47] <persia> Err.
[14:47] <persia> !backtrace
[14:47] <ubot4> To get a backtrace of a failing application please read: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace
[14:48] <Pici> heh
[14:59] <qense> A new round of DDoS attacks?
[15:01] <persia> Or just continued hassle.  Hard to say.
[15:01] <qense> still irritating though
[15:02] <persia> Yes.  Mind you, it becomes less noticeable if you don't display joins/parts, except then you end up on a server with 3 other folk, all of whom are sleeping, and don't notice.
[15:03] <qense> that's not what I want, I'll just scroll a bit more. ;) It is a different server today, yesterday jordan had problems and today it's orwell.
[15:05] <persia> Anyone happen to know if there are ddebs for ports?
[15:08] <persia> orwell?  The parts I'm seeing all come from jordan.
[15:09] <qense> Could it be the server we're on, rather than the parters?
[15:10] <persia> Dunno.  Could be even more complicated than that.  I'm not on the same server that is listed in the part messages.
[15:10] <persia> But I don't pretend to understand: I'm just thankful of the people who make it work.
[15:11] <qense> same here
[15:12] <Pici> freenode reports the server that you're on in netsplit messages. It takes a little more work to actually tell what servers have split.
[15:18] <persia> Pici: Except the name it reports doesn't match the name I got in my welcome message.  Do clients get passed around without warning sometimes?
[15:18] <Pici> persia: Thats odd, no, that shouldn't happen.
[15:18]  * persia takes this off-channel as it's off-topic
[16:59] <maheshmohan> hi all. i'm new to ubuntu bugs
[16:59] <yofel> !hi
[16:59] <ubot4> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-bugs! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines. Enjoy your stay!
[17:00] <yofel> maheshmohan: as a beginner, you should check out the links in the topic first
[17:01] <maheshmohan> ok. wat's going on here now?
[17:02] <hggdh> maheshmohan: this channel is more to help you triage (how-to, why, etc) than to real triage work
[17:03] <hggdh> so, we can help you -- but we need a, ah, pointed question
[17:03] <maheshmohan> ok. i wanna participate bugs 5 a day
[17:04] <maheshmohan> which programming language i'm supposed to know?
[17:04] <etali1> You don't have to be a programmer to take part in the 5 a day bugs thing
[17:04] <etali1> It counts bugs you comment on, confirm, et, too.
[17:04] <maheshmohan> then, how i will fix bugs, without knowing to write a single line of code
[17:05] <etali1> Triaging is different to fixing.
[17:05] <maheshmohan> ok
[17:05] <etali1> If you can program, and that's what you want to help with, then you can do that too
[17:06] <etali1> But you'll get more help in the #ubuntu-motu channel
[17:06] <maheshmohan> i think thw wiki page for the above is cluttered. it has a lot of links, & reading all it is trouble some
[17:07] <maheshmohan> also, i know PHP
[17:09] <hggdh> already gone?
[17:33] <WeatherGod> could someone check to see if bug 481056 is ready for triage?
[17:33] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 481056 in gnome-power-manager "Dell Vostro 1000 laptop goes into hibernation whenever I plug in the power cord as if battery is dead" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/481056
[17:34] <WeatherGod> hopefully before more people decide to add their own apport-collect results to it
[17:35] <micahg> what's the policy on duping acpi issues?
[17:36] <WeatherGod> I think it is device-by-device
[17:36] <WeatherGod> also, I am not 100% certain it is exactly the same as some other reports
[17:37] <WeatherGod> this one, it gets triggered by the insertion of the power plug
[17:37] <micahg> bug 481312
[17:37] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 481312 in gnome-power-manager "Laptop suspends when I connect/disconnect AC" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/481312
[17:38] <WeatherGod> ah, I was looking under devkit-power
[17:38] <micahg> bug 484710
[17:38] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 484710 in gnome-power-manager "laptop hibernates when plugged in to ac power" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/484710
[17:39]  * micahg is not saying it's in the right package, but there are other bugs :)
[17:39] <micahg> WeatherGod: yours is the oldest AFAICT
[17:39] <WeatherGod> yeah, it got lost in my "pile"
[17:39] <WeatherGod> wasn't until someone else did an apport-collect did it come back in my email list
[17:42] <micahg> WeatherGod: I assume you've seen this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingGNOMEPowerManager
[17:44] <WeatherGod> looks like most of it was collected by the apport-collect
[17:44] <WeatherGod> possibly not the dbus, though
[17:50] <WeatherGod> yeah, I think only the dbus info is missing
[17:50] <WeatherGod> but, if the computer goes into hibernate when the plug is attached, then that doesn't leave much time for obtaining that info, right?
[18:05]  * mac_v cries , didnt realize the 5-a-day was for triaging too :(  ... else he would have had a streak by now
[18:12] <etali> It's never too late to start with your 5 a day :)
[18:13] <etali> I was trying for ages, not getting it counted - then realized my email was hidden in lanchpad... (doh!)
[18:13] <micahg> etali: I had the same problem
[18:14]  * etali is glad to know they weren't the only one caught out by that
[18:17]  * mac_v started... target's micahg streak...  hehe...
[19:16] <bdmurray> pedro_: I'm gonna do some consolidation of gnome-alsamixer crashes with gam_mixer_show_props_dialog like bug 448180.  Okay?
[19:16] <ubot4> bdmurray: Bug 448180 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/448180 is private
[19:17] <pedro_> bdmurray, sure, thanks
[19:19] <malev> Hi, I have a doubt about this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/490482  I can't reproduce it on my PC and I have 9.10 64bits also
[19:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 490482 in update-manager "update-manager -d fails to find lucid" [High,Incomplete]
[19:20] <malev> I was about to close it, but the Reporter suggest that it could a real bug. And it looks like I is a person who knows about ubuntu, that why I'm asking here :d
[19:21] <bdmurray> malev: that was reported by the Ubuntu release manager
[19:21] <bdmurray> so he does know a bit about Ubuntu
[19:22] <malev> :D
[19:23] <bdmurray> however, I think update-manager looks outside of itself to see if a new release available
[19:23] <bdmurray> I mean it wouldn't require a package update
[19:24] <nperry> IIRC when launched update-manager -d, if you havent refreshed the repos, lucid wont be decteced..
[19:25] <malev> nperry, in my case, it founds lucid
[19:25] <nperry> Because you have updated, but he only reported his bugs a couple of days after the lucid repos opened
[19:26] <malev> nperry, so, you think is in fact a bug?
[19:26] <nperry> No, because between releases somone *should* update the repo
[19:27] <malev> that's what I thought! then, we could close it
[19:27] <nperry> Or on the other hand, not to sure if update-manager had to be updated to look for lucid, that might not of been uploaded by then
[19:28] <nperry> As nothing happened till end of UDS
[19:28] <malev> UDS?
[19:28] <nperry> Ubuntu Dev Summit
[19:29] <nperry> All the devs have a week long conference to set what they are going to do during the release
[19:29] <bdmurray> I'm saying update-manager doesn't need to updated to know if a new release is available
[19:30] <malev> nperry, oh, thanks.... then.. it could that lucid wasn't available for those days? or ... that's all I have
[19:30] <nperry> malev: Not sure if its actually right, but it sounds feesable
[19:30] <bdmurray> the reporter is in #ubuntu-devel if you want to talk to him
[19:31] <malev> bdmurray, nice idea, I'm going for it
[19:42] <malev> hey! it's me again, with this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/496039  again I don't think is a bug but early some one told me that there where some sort of conflicts betwwen audacius and rhymbox
[19:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 496039 in rhythmbox "Sound output on Rhythmbox stopped working" [Undecided,Invalid]
[19:43] <malev> audacity instead audacius
[19:48] <nperry> It could be a bad config if removed .pulse worked
[19:49] <nperry> could be if dist upgraded worked
[19:49] <nperry> sorry eating while typing, i meant recently not worked
[19:50] <malev> mm maybe I should leave it there. what do you think?
[19:52] <nperry> well whenever i dist upgrade, i delete .pulse and reboot, even before a sound issue
[19:52] <malev> nperry, I've never do that and I never had any problem
[19:53] <nperry> My sound never works when i dist upgrade, only happens on my laptop and netbook
[19:53] <nperry> my desktop is always good
[19:54] <malev> ... it happens.. but I don't consider it a bug, what do you think?
[19:55] <nperry> Not really
[19:57] <malev> I'm leaving for a while. see you later nperry!
[19:57] <nperry> bye :)
[20:24] <fagan> Im looking at the really old bugs in launchpad some of them are very old like 06 wouldnt be relivent now would they?
[20:25] <maco2> they might
[20:25] <maco2> depending on the software
[20:25] <maco2> and keep in mind that 6.06 is still supported on the server
[20:25] <maco2> there could certainly be hardware-not-supported bugs open that are still around for example
[20:25] <fagan> well im talking about desktop bugs
[20:25] <fagan> I wouldnt have a clue about server bugs
[20:25] <fagan> :)
[20:26] <fagan> I was thinking of going through the list on a mini personal bug day
[20:27] <fagan> maco2: good idea?
[20:27] <maco2> actually, i recall dtchen digging through very old bugs last summer and finding a bunch that still existed and writing patches for them
[20:27] <maco2> fagan: sure. try to confirm them in karmic or lucid
[20:28] <fagan> ill make sure that they are gone or ask if it still affects anyone
[20:30] <maco2> you can try to reproduce it yourself
[20:30] <maco2> no need to wait for the reporter to say "heck if i know. i stopped using your crummy distro because you didnt fix this bug" :P
[20:39] <fagan> hah
[20:45] <malev> I'm back! :D
[20:55] <fagan> maco2: your a motu is this still an issue Bug #13332?
[20:55] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 13332 in rcconf "Please run update-rcconf-guide automatically after installing (in postinst)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/13332
[20:56] <maco2> yep. its definitely not being run in rcconf.postinst
[20:57] <fagan> cool
[20:57] <fagan> so that one is still an issue
[20:57] <maco2> yep. wanna email the maintainer?
[20:57] <fagan> maco2: sure
[20:58] <maco2> or actually...hmm
[20:58] <maco2> actually, i can just fix it in ubuntu then submit the patch
[20:59] <fagan> Sure that would be awesome then mark the bug as fixed please :)
[20:59] <fagan> Ive gotten through like 5 bugs ish
[20:59] <fagan> im going to plow on through
[21:01] <maco2> when i upload it it'll be automatically marked fixed
[21:01] <maco2> though since i dont tend to play with postinsts, im gonna double check with someone who knows more about it first :P
[21:02] <fagan> maco2: thanks
[21:02] <yofel> hm, is it just be or does bug 496004 sound like a bad flash image?
[21:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 496004 in ubuntu "5 EIO Input/Output error while trying to install OS from USB to a DELL INSPIRON 2200 laptop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/496004
[21:04] <fagan> hmmm it could be just a currupt image
[21:05] <fagan> the person should try to download it again and make the usb image again
[21:05] <fagan> It may be how they are making the image
[21:24] <fagan> You know a bug is old when it is about not installing codecs automatically :)
[21:27] <yofel> bdmurray: anything to be done for bug 495216?
[21:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 495216 in ubuntu "mass removal of old and unpopular packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/495216
[21:28] <bdmurray> yofel: not by us its all squared away
[21:29] <bdmurray> notice archive-admins are subscribed
[21:30] <yofel> bdmurray: can you mark it off the hugday list then?
[21:31] <bdmurray> yofel: done
[21:31] <yofel> thx :)
[21:31] <bdmurray> thanks for bringing it up!
[21:32] <yofel> also, the sync requests on the confirmed list don't belong there  too I think
[21:32] <bdmurray> okay removed those too
[21:33] <fagan> I wish there was a bug status for old bugs
[21:33] <bdmurray> fagan: what do you mean?
[21:33] <fagan> Im cleaning old bug reports
[21:34] <fagan> and it would be nice if you could have an old status
[21:34] <yofel> fagan: there is 'expired' for 'incomplete without response'
[21:34] <fagan> but if someone marks it as wishlist
[21:34] <fagan> it keeps alive
[21:34] <fagan> or if they mark the priority
[21:34] <yofel> other than that, you could list open bugs and sort by 'least recently changed'
[21:34] <fagan> thats what im doing
[21:35] <fagan> I got rid of some from 06
[21:35] <fagan> :D
[21:35] <bdmurray> And they were not valid?  A bug being old doesn't mean its gone away.
[21:36] <fagan> I make sure that they are gone away
[21:36] <fagan> im just going through the old ones
[21:37] <maco2> bdmurray: and he alerted me to one i could fix :)
[21:38] <bdmurray> well, that's exciting!
[21:38] <maco2> i have a debdiff but i need someone to check im not Doing It Wrong
[21:53] <fagan> anyway im done because launchpad is about to go offline
[21:53] <fagan> got a load of bugs sorted out though o/
[22:16] <WeatherGod> how long is LP going offline for?
[22:16] <malev> we are gonna miss it
[22:16] <WeatherGod> so, an hour? an evening? a day?
[22:17] <fagan> WeatherGod: its more than likely an hour
[22:17] <malev> a week? a month? a year? NOOOO :D
[22:17] <WeatherGod> heh
[22:18] <WeatherGod> ok... of course, this is right when I had half an hour to spend on triaging...
[22:19] <malev> ehh I have never trieged a bug! For me it's like a mistery :D
[22:19] <malev> I've only chat with the reporters
[22:20] <WeatherGod> hey, it is still something
[22:20] <WeatherGod> I have helped several that way
[22:20] <malev> yes me too, it's allmost a forum
[22:21] <WeatherGod> I just want to get my bug reports tied up before leaving for vacation
[22:21] <WeatherGod> hate to leave people hanging
[22:21] <malev> haha
[22:21] <malev> vacations?? in this part of the year? or for the holidays?
[22:22] <WeatherGod> yeah, for the holidays
[22:22] <malev> excelent
[22:22] <WeatherGod> where i'll be... there is no wireless internet connections from the neighbors...
[22:23] <WeatherGod> believe me, I tried
[22:23] <WeatherGod> hard to go a week without internet
[22:23] <malev> ... that is really hard! last year I went to Bolivia and I didn't take my laptop... sad
[22:24] <WeatherGod> when you don't take your laptop... I think it is easier that way
[22:24] <WeatherGod> at least you don't have the computer to entice you
[22:25] <WeatherGod> however, I still have to do programming, so my lappy is coming with me
[22:25] <malev> you are going to program without internet? is that posible?? :D
[22:26] <WeatherGod> yeah... I even learned git so I can continue doing source control
[22:26] <malev> WeatherGod, ahh yes! git is awesome for that!
[22:27] <WeatherGod> :)
[22:28] <WeatherGod> I still gotta decide if I want to upgrade my Jaunty install to Karmic or to jump straight to Lucid
[22:29] <WeatherGod> I don't upgrade during semesters, so it would keep me ahead of the game
[22:29] <malev> ... you didn't upgrade? why?
[22:29] <malev> haha
[22:29] <malev> I did it as soon as I finished my tesis
[22:30] <WeatherGod> has anyone here used Lucid yet?
[22:30] <BUGabundo> me
[22:30] <BUGabundo> a bunch of us actually
[22:30] <WeatherGod> how unstable is it?
[22:30] <BUGabundo> very
[22:31] <BUGabundo> broken X
[22:31] <WeatherGod> eww
[22:31] <BUGabundo> broken KDE akonadi
[22:31] <fagan> Broken nvidia driver too
[22:31] <BUGabundo> yeah
[22:31] <BUGabundo> well no
[22:31] <BUGabundo> its X
[22:31] <BUGabundo> not nvidia
[22:31] <BUGabundo> I have it working fine
[22:31] <malev> nooo terrible!
[22:31] <BUGabundo> I avoided upgrading X
[22:31] <WeatherGod> is it because of the modesetting?
[22:31] <BUGabundo> no idea
[22:31] <BUGabundo> ask in #ubuntu+1
[22:31] <BUGabundo> this is not the proper place
[22:32] <fagan> I have it working fine but its because I installed nvidia manually
[22:32] <WeatherGod> huh, go figure
[22:32] <yofel> WeatherGod: nvidia doesn't have KMS
[22:32] <WeatherGod> right... I forgot about that
[22:32]  * yofel uses nvidia 195.22 beta driver from ppa
[22:33] <WeatherGod> I have an intel card anyway
[22:33] <fagan> 190 is the stable one
[22:33] <yofel> on my other notebook anyway, the intel card in my eeePC here works fine
[22:33] <yofel> 945GME
[22:33] <WeatherGod> ah, good to know, I use eeePC 1000
[22:33] <yofel> ah wait, suspend is broken
[22:34] <fagan> has anyone got the rgba working properly yet?
[22:34] <fagan> yofel: thats a known issue
[22:34] <yofel> WeatherGod: 1000H ;P
[22:34] <BUGabundo> yofel: hibernate is working here
[22:34] <BUGabundo> not that is any good reference
[22:34] <BUGabundo> since that chagnes in each kernel image
[22:35] <WeatherGod> heh
[22:35] <WeatherGod> maybe I will try it on my VM first
[22:35] <yofel> well, suspend/resume works at first, but then I get frequent screen flashes and after a while the display turns black -> reboot
[22:36] <fagan> BUGabundo: have you tried the rgba stuff in gtk yet?
[22:36] <fagan> its in ubuntu-desktop's ppa
[22:36] <BUGabundo> no idea what that is
[22:36] <BUGabundo> guys please... move topic to +1
[22:36] <fagan> BUGabundo: see through windows :)
[22:37] <yofel> WeatherGod: if you're curious about lucid, you should at least join ubuntu+1, you'll at least know the issues we have with it ;)
[22:38] <WeatherGod> yofel: BUGabundo: will do
[22:40] <WeatherGod> anyway, I know that LP is down, but if someone could take a look at bug 486154
[22:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 486154 in pulseaudio "System beep broken in Karmic despite heroic efforts to fix it" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/486154
[22:40] <WeatherGod> one of the people in that thread has done a *very* extensive analysis
[22:40] <WeatherGod> probably ready for marking as "Triaged"
[22:41] <WeatherGod> although, I am still not quite sure which package it should be considered as Triaged... maybe both libcanberra and metacity just to get their attentions
[22:44] <yofel> oh yeah, I'm even subscribed to that report...
[22:45] <yofel> on my part I surely don't miss system beep...
[22:46] <WeatherGod> but, the guy did figure out some very odd inter-workings of these things
[22:46] <WeatherGod> and some people still do want system beeps... go figure
[22:51] <WeatherGod> ok, gotta run... I probably will be back on later


[00:29] <BuntuTech> might be bad poer supply too
[00:29] <BuntuTech> power
[18:52] <]Spectre[> hello
[18:52] <holstein> o/
[18:52] <]Spectre[> hi holstein
[18:52] <]Spectre[> todos bien ? :)
[18:53] <holstein> i only speak english..
[18:53] <holstein> !es
[18:54] <]Spectre[> holstein, I also :)
[18:54] <zy3pD> ]Spectre[, tienes una pregunta?
[18:54] <]Spectre[> hi zy3pD  ;)
[18:54] <]Spectre[> falo em italiano e portugues
[18:54] <zy3pD> hi ]Spectre[
[18:54] <]Spectre[> nao espanhol :PPP
[18:55] <]Spectre[> mas entendo
[18:55] <]Spectre[> no zy3pD  :)
[18:55] <holstein> !it
[18:56] <zy3pD> !whatever-language
[18:57] <]Spectre[> ahahah :PPPPPPPPPP
[18:57] <]Spectre[> prefiro falar em ingles
[18:57] <holstein> ]Spectre[: how can we volunteer support for you, in english, friend?
[18:58] <holstein> ]Spectre[: if you need another language, please see the above links.. thanks
[18:58] <]Spectre[> english is good
[18:58] <]Spectre[> thanks :)
[18:59] <zy3pD> and really nobody will call this talk offtopic
[19:01] <]Spectre[> .DDDDDD
[19:03] <]Spectre[> que estranho
[19:05] <holstein> ]Spectre[: friend, please let us know if you have a support question, and a volunteer will do their best to assist.. its not that english "is good", its that this is an english speaking channel. please refer to the links i gave if you need other languages.. thanks
[19:05] <]Spectre[> just joking holstein
[19:06] <holstein> !ot | ]Spectre[
[19:11] <zy3pD> !to
[19:14] <zy3pD> come on ubottu tovalu?
[19:47] <markus__> hey guys, i am currently on Ubuntu 14.10 with LXDE, i have plugged in a second monitor, everything works just fine except one thing. The second monitor seems to be the primary one, all notifications are popping up there, including the shutdown menu. I there a way to get the notifications and stuff pop up at the first monitor?
[19:50] <holstein> !14.10
[19:51] <holstein> though, you may find some "dual head" management for LXDE or lubuntu relevant..
[19:53] <markus__> ok i will try my luck there, thanks for the hint, but i guess this isnt only a "ubuntu 14.10" thing. I remember a couple of years ago i had the same "problem" with lxde and dual monitors
[19:53] <zy3pD> is 14.10 already based on gt?
[19:54] <zy3pD> *qt
[19:54] <ianorlin> it is still based on gtk+
[19:54] <zy3pD> and when will come the change? 15.04?
[19:55] <phillw> zy3pD: it is planned
[19:56] <phillw> zy3pD: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing/14.10
[19:57] <zy3pD> thx
[19:58] <phillw> markus__: lubuntu offers basic dual screen support, if you want further control then grab https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/MultiDisplay
[19:59] <phillw> zy3pD: you're more than welcome
[20:01] <markus__> i already read that phillw, but thats just the "basic stuff", dont solve my problem
[20:02] <phillw> markus__: xrandr is script driven... arandr is an app that does more, but obviously needs more resources. lubuntu can, by default, mirror a screen and xrandr can be adjusted to do things... But.... arandr does make it easier
[20:02] <phillw> markus__: what is the problem?
[20:02] <ianorlin> markus if you swtich where the displays are positioined does it change
[20:02] <ianorlin> he wants the panel on the other monitor
[20:03] <testdr> markus: do you have nvidia-graka-chipset and proprietary-driver?
[20:03] <markus__> Basicly i did this: xrandr --output LVDS1 --auto --primary --output VGA1 --auto --right-of LVDS1, but the shutdown menu and every other notification still throws up at the second monitor
[20:04] <markus__> i have a integrated intel card in my notebook
[20:20] <phillw> markus__: has that wiki page not answered your question?
[20:22] <markus__> no phillw, that page just shows how to setup dual monitor, but it dont show what to do if i all notifications thrown up on the second monitor
[20:22] <testdr> markus__: what is your monitor setup? One screen over both - laptop-monitor on left and extern monitor on right?
[20:25] <testdr> markus:did you check the openbox settings? Like "new windows on screen with active mouse" up to special selsected screen? Or set some part of x11-screen for not using as automatic place for new windows etc.?
[20:25] <markus__> my laptop-monitor is the main screen and on the right of it the extended desktop, so that i just have to move the mouse to the right to use the space on the second monitor
[20:29] <testdr> markus__: have you ever changed the openbox settings?
[20:31] <markus__> i dont think so, at least i did not see a setting like that
[20:32] <testdr> markus__: check menu --> settings(einstellungen) --> openbox configmanager (openbox konfiguration manager)
[20:34] <markus__> oh dude so simple, i didnt even knew that there was an openbox configmanager. There is a option "new windows place to" and it was set to all monitors, now i changed it to "primary monitor" and it works fine instantly
[20:35] <testdr> markus__: da sind noch mehr dinge zum rumspielen/konfigurieren
[20:36] <silverlion> hey endlich mal deutsche Lubuntianer :D
[20:37] <markus__> ja cool, wusste garnicht das lxde so einen manager hat. Bin mir auch ziemlich sicher in meiner google suche nichts davon gelesen zu haben. Danke testdr
[20:38] <testdr> markus__: up to now the basic windowmanager for LXDE is openbox - there are a lot of infos for it and it is not necessary to use LXDE (but this ist the default configuration for usage).
[20:39] <testdr> i like this page about the comparison of linux/unix windowmanagers:  http://l3net.wordpress.com/2013/04/09/a-memory-comparison-of-light-linux-desktops-part-2/
[20:43] <markus__> oh yes there are a lot environments, even E17. I have installed E19 but to me it has a couple too much bugs for daily use
[20:44] <silverlion> I'm running the basic LXDE Version on my Laptop but Lubuntu Default version on the Desktop
[20:49] <markus__> alright, thanks for the help testdr, i leave now. Have a nice day
[21:03]  * ianorlin wonders if others would find my way to make a keyboard shortcut for multimonitor be useful using openbox and should be added to the wiki
[21:03] <BuntuTech> good afternoon lubuntu technicians
[21:05] <BuntuTech> ianorlin, could u make it so that lubuntu has a typical right click change wallpaper feature?
[21:06] <ianorlin> it does if you don't use the openbox menu
[21:06] <ianorlin> also what do you mean by typical
[21:06] <ianorlin> or are you talking about changing wallpapers on multi monitors
[21:10] <ravious> speaking of multi monitors.. i've been using ARandR to set my configuration, but I have to apply it at every boot.. anyone know how to make the change persistent?
[21:13] <testdr> ravious: check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution    different ways to activate the settings in .xprofile, or systemwide in xorg.conf
[21:14] <ravious> ty, i'll look into it.
[21:14] <ianorlin> ravious I think I know an easier way if you have arandr installed
[21:14] <ravious> okay
[21:15] <testdr> ravious: you can even use a shell-script if you dont want to do it automatically -- you have to run it by hand to enable the settings you want and did write down
[21:15] <ianorlin> first there is a command line tool that comes with arnadr called unxrandr that will give oyu the command after you set it up
[21:15] <ianorlin> also there is an entry in default apps for lxsession for an xrandr commaond that if you use lxde can just put in that
[21:16] <ravious> I've got the layout i need saved in ~/.screenlayout
[21:16] <ravious> its an sh file


[07:56] <robin-hero> hey all, I removed my Camera app this morning by accident :) But I can't find it in the store now :( Any idea?
[08:01] <dholbach> good morning
[08:53] <robin-hero> hey all, I removed my Camera app this morning by accident :) But I can't find it in the store now :( Any idea?
[09:29] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Wednesday, and happy International Anti-Corruption Day! 😃
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> still alot of work then
[09:33] <robin-hero> Morning, Sorry for I know I've already asked this question, but I removed my Camera app this morning by accident :) But I can't find it in the store now :( Any idea?
[10:32] <Saviq> oSoMoN, hey, re: bug #1422523, any pointer which test I can use to verify the fix?
[10:38] <ogra_> davmor2, is it known that currently the flash doesnt work and that the camera app cant focus ?
[10:38] <ogra_> (in rc-proposed that is)
[10:38] <davmor2> ogra_: it might still be broken, it was only partially uploaded due to a lack of space
[10:39] <ogra_> oh, ok
[10:39] <ogra_> i washoping to hear that :)
[10:39] <davmor2> ogra_: don't know if that got fixed one for sil2100 maybe
[10:39] <ogra_> "washoping" :)
[10:40] <davmor2> robin-hero: maybe mail the mailing list might be best  the dev might be able to throw you a click package you can install
[10:41] <oSoMoN> Saviq, the initial issue was worked around in gallery app, so I don’t really know how to test it, but IIRC it was recently affecting camera-app, kaleo would know how to test
[10:42] <sil2100> huh
[10:43] <sil2100> What was partially uploaded?
[10:43] <Saviq> oSoMoN, ktx
[10:43] <ogra_> sil2100, camera app vs camera api i guess
[10:43] <sil2100> hm, no one told me about issues with that, I mean, that one got published without the other
[10:43] <ogra_> sil2100, with yesterdays camera app update, my camera doesnt focus where i tap and the flash setting has no effect
[10:44] <ogra_> it still takes pictures though
[10:45] <ogra_> (did anything land over night ? i havent updated this morning yet)
[10:45] <sil2100> hm, yesterday's camera update? There was no update going through the train tho
[10:45]  * ogra_ tries
[10:45] <ogra_> sil2100, app ...
[10:45] <ogra_> does that go through the train ?
[10:45] <sil2100> Yeah, it does, the deb goes and then Bill uploads the click
[10:45] <ogra_> ah
[10:45] <ogra_> well, i got a new camera app on both phones yesterday
[10:46] <sil2100> We had a camera-app + qtubuntu-camera last week
[10:46] <sil2100> hmmm
[10:46] <sil2100> Maybe it wasn't published to the store until recently
[10:46] <sil2100> bfiller: ping
[10:46] <ogra_> aha
[10:47] <ogra_> todays image fixes it
[10:47] <ogra_> it focuses fine and the flash goes off
[10:47] <ogra_> ignore me ... i did hit a small time gap here :)
[10:48] <sil2100> Aaaah
[10:48] <sil2100> I know what happened
[10:48] <sil2100> It was published last week but they bumped the framework, and I only added the framework yesterday to rc-proposed
[10:48] <davmor2> sil2100: I fixed ogra_ for you, he should break again for while, the magic of duct tape :D
[10:57] <robin-hero> sil2100, I think this is releated to my problem:  I removed my Camera app this morning by accident :) But I can't find it in the store now :( I'm on stable channel.
[11:06] <robin-hero> Any idea? Now i have a phone without a camera, and I use it every day :D
[11:07] <mcphail> robin-hero: I don't think the internal apps are removed - they are merely hidden. must be a way to unhide...
[11:07] <robin-hero> and how? :D
[11:08] <mcphail> robin-hero: stop asking difficult questions!! ;)
[11:08] <robin-hero> but the weird things is I don't find it in the store :)
[11:08] <mcphail> robin-hero: I've got it in the store...
[11:08] <robin-hero> Can I download the released click package from somewhere? So  I can install it manually.
[11:09] <mcphail> robin-hero: popey's mirror?
[11:09] <popey> :)
[11:09] <robin-hero> I also have it on my Nexus, but It disappears from BQ's store :)
[11:09] <robin-hero> *disappered
[11:09] <popey> The camera app bumped their framework
[11:10] <robin-hero> and where is popey's mirror? :D
[11:10] <popey> which is why you can no longer see it
[11:10] <popey> sil2100, ^ this is a problem (one for beuno really) - the fact that the store can't hold more than one version of an app with different frameworks
[11:10] <popey> I've bleated on about this for 2 years.
[11:10] <ogra_> do clicks not yet have the channels concept in their web-form ?
[11:11] <mcphail> Oh - I see I have an update pending for the camera
[11:11] <ogra_> for snaps in the store i can select a channel for a specific package version
[11:11] <popey> if anyone on OTA8 (our current release) or below removes camera, they can't re-install it, because the framework was bumped to one which does not exist on older devices
[11:11] <robin-hero> popey, Yes, this is my problem :)
[11:11] <popey> ogra_, we're doing the "snaps fixes that" so so soon in this conversation?
[11:11] <mcphail> Can you install it if you select it in uappexplorer?
[11:11] <robin-hero> mcphail, no
[11:11] <popey> mcphail, no
[11:11] <popey> that will get the one from the store
[11:12] <ogra_> popey, i havent uploaded a click in a while, i thought the store treats all formats the same
[11:12] <mcphail> robin-hero: If there is a way to pull the click from my phone, I could send it to you...
[11:12] <ogra_> i can upload two versions of a package here and pick a different channel for each of them
[11:12] <mcphail> robin-hero: I haven't updated yet
[11:12] <popey> you can't with click
[11:12] <ogra_> (stable vs edge)
[11:12] <ogra_> ah
[11:12] <popey> robin-hero, http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/clicks/2015/12/2015-12-07-050001/com.ubuntu.camera_<IP_ADDRESS>4_armhf.click
[11:14] <popey> mcphail, interesting idea, a script which makes a click out of the contents of /opt/click.ubuntu.com/foo
[11:14] <popey> so you could install something from the store, re-create a click and share it :)
[11:14] <mcphail> popey: was wondering if the clicks were cached, like apt does?
[11:15]  * mcphail makes a plea that major version numbers get bumped when an app breaks backwards compatibility
[11:17] <mcphail> Current camera update is offering me <IP_ADDRESS>1. Seems like a rather benign increment, given it will not work on older system iterations
[11:18] <popey> good point
[11:24] <sil2100> popey: yeah, I know... the worst thing is that it's 'by design'
[11:25] <popey> you have mail :)
[11:34] <robin-hero> thanks Popey! :)
[11:35] <popey> robin-hero, np
[11:38] <robin-hero> OK, I've just installed it, If I am right I won't get the newer version (<IP_ADDRESS>1) as an update on OTA-8. It will arrive with OTA-9, right?
[11:41] <they_eye4> robin-hero, or OTA-8.6?
[11:42] <they_eye4> 5
[11:42] <robin-hero> they_eye4, I don't think so, but I am not the person who has the knowledge in this topic :D
[11:43] <they_eye4> robin-hero, all i know is that the next update is OTA-8.5
[11:44] <they_eye4> and the next OTA9 if everything goes ok else OTA-8.7?
[11:44] <robin-hero> they_eye4, I know that too, but OTA-8.5 is a hotfix update, I don't think they release a new framework for a hotfix update
[11:44] <they_eye4> robin-hero, right
[11:44] <robin-hero> *for = in
[11:45] <popey> yes, you wont get an OTA update for it
[11:45] <popey> (camera)
[11:45] <popey> there is a new framework in ota-8.5
[11:45] <popey> which is where we came in
[12:17] <d^_^b_> hello
[12:17] <they_eye4> hi
[12:18] <d^_^b_> i have a problem with my samsung tab p3100
[12:19] <d^_^b_> i've installed ubuntu touch but there are account of developers when i try to login
[12:19] <d^_^b_> howcan i fix please? thank you
[12:24]  * mnbv slaps gihel around a bit with a large fishbot
[12:44] <d^_^b_> there is someoen who can help me?
[13:04] <d^_^b_> hi
[13:10] <dholbach> d^_^b_: I would recommend you just ask your question, whatever it is
[13:10] <dholbach> d^_^b_: if somebody knows, they'll get back to you
[13:11] <dholbach> and if not, you can also try the mailing list
[13:11] <d^_^b_> ok thanks
[14:01] <rp87> Hi all! I had a problem with my BQ phone's noise cancelling microphone, so sent it back to Spain for repair. My phone arrived last week but there is an interesting problem with it. If I start a call the other partner doesn't hear my voice. It looks like something wrong with the microphone. If I enabled the "speakerphone" they hear my voice. So is it use another microphone? Or why it is working? I try to investigate this is a hardw
[14:01] <rp87> If I record my voice with a sound recorder it works well
[14:01] <rp87> And I reflashed the phone two times.
[14:04] <robin-hero> *I try to investigate this is a hardware or a software related error
[14:04] <robin-hero> Oh sorry, just realized I already logged in :D
[14:06] <robin-hero> So can I somehow test my microphones?
[14:13] <mcphail> robin-hero: not sure, but I suspect it needs to go back to bq
[14:15] <robin-hero> mcphail, I hope it's software releated, because I paid about a half price ot this phone for shipping. I could buy a new one If I need to pay again the shipping cost...
[14:15] <mcphail> robin-hero: bq don't pay the shipping for a warrantied device?
[14:15] <lotuspsychje> robin-hero: tried reset to defaults?
[14:17] <robin-hero> mcphail, The first problem is caused by me, I dropped the phone, this is why I sent back to repair. And paid the shipping cost
[14:17] <mcphail> aah
[14:17] <robin-hero> lotuspsychje, ofc, 2 times
[14:18] <robin-hero> mcphail, But this microphone problem is a new one, so something went wrong with it in BQ's service facuality.
[14:19] <mcphail> robin-hero: I would speak with them. Explain you have paid for a repair but your phone is not working correctly
[14:19] <mcphail> robin-hero: tell them they will be paying the shipping this time
[14:20] <mcphail> robin-hero: I presume you are in the EU?
[14:20] <robin-hero> I raised a ticket but no response
[14:20] <robin-hero> yes
[14:20] <robin-hero> when I first raised a ticket (about the repair) they answered about a day...
[14:55] <Mirv> oSoMoN: hello! I've a stable phone that gives Network Error for a single site regardless of connection or private mode. any idea on what would be needed for debugging? and yes to me it sounds very funky problem.
[14:56] <Mirv> oSoMoN: works for all other sites, and the site works on all other ubuntu phones, just not anymore on my daily use phone since a couple of days ago
[14:58] <oSoMoN> Mirv, that sounds weird indeed, can you file a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+filebug and attach the browser’s log file (I don’t expect there’s gonna be much info there, but who knows…)
[15:00] <Mirv> oSoMoN: bug #1524376
[15:01] <Mirv> and yes, nothing
[15:02] <Mirv> the weird thing is it happens also in private mode, which probably shouldn't care of existing cache etc even if corrupted
[15:02] <Mirv> moving .cache/webbrowser-app away temporarily did not change anything
[15:02] <oSoMoN> Mirv, can you try removing the cache under ~/.cache/webbrowser-app (after making a backup copy of it), and see if it improves things?
[15:03] <Mirv> oSoMoN: see above
[15:03] <Mirv> oSoMoN: however, .local/share/webbrowser-app does the trick
[15:04] <Mirv> oSoMoN: so something in there causes it
[15:04] <oSoMoN> Mirv, ha, that’s useful info
[15:05] <Mirv> oSoMoN: I tried renaming cookies.sqlite and history.sqlite individually but no luck
[15:09] <oSoMoN> Mirv, can you check by moving selectively the following folders under .local/share/webbrowser-app? "Application Cache", "databases", "IndexedDB", "Local Storage", "Service Worker"
[15:14] <Mirv> oSoMoN: none of them, it's TransportSecurity
[15:19] <oSoMoN> Mirv, good find, would you mind adding that info to the bug report, and attaching that file too?
[15:34] <Mirv> oSoMoN: done
[15:53] <they_eye4> i have a billion errors like this in syslog Dec  9 13:55:50 ubuntu-phablet kernel: [ 6313.161214] inv_mpu: error in header parsing=d500
[15:53] <they_eye4> what is this error about?
[16:04] <jgdx> seb128, hey, why is InputSources on the system bus (accountsservice), and _current_ on the session bus (gsettings)?
[16:06] <jgdx> you use both to determine the keymap to use, hence the question
[16:07] <jgdx> dobey, thanks for the review, btw!
[16:08] <dobey> jgdx: sure
[16:17] <kenvandine> beuno, i have a question related to the metadata we get with click updates
[16:17] <beuno> kenvandine, shoot
[16:17] <kenvandine> beuno, the changelog provided there, is that just for the most current version?
[16:18]  * kenvandine assumes
[16:18] <beuno> kenvandine, yes
[16:18] <kenvandine> https://www.dropbox.com/s/f4c16w4s6xuufi7/updates-changelog-dialog.jpg?dl=0
[16:18] <kenvandine> newest designs show previous versions
[16:18] <kenvandine> but not sure if that's important
[16:19] <beuno> well, there's no history atm
[16:19] <kenvandine> ok
[16:19] <kenvandine> i'll let them know we can't do it
[16:19] <kenvandine> thanks
[16:19] <beuno> np
[17:25] <seb128> jgdx, I don't think "current" is used on the greeter, it just uses the sorted list
[17:29] <jgdx> seb128, okay, thanks!
[17:29] <seb128> yw!
[18:09] <sturmflut> abeato: Ping, is there a way to dump all current SIM files/parameters using ofono?
[18:10] <abeato> sturmflut, you can do /usr/share/ofono/scripts/list-modems
[18:10] <abeato> sturmflut, but you cannot see all SIM files
[18:36] <sturmflut> abeato: Hm, would be nice if we could. I've been reading the standards to see how National Roaming is supposed to be implemented correctly, and it would be nice to see what the operators are actually doing and why Android is picking up the information and ofono isn't
[18:40] <sturmflut> abeato: Apparently here in Germany E-Plus/O2 send an EPLMN list update to the client after the location/route area update messages on the radio, so the phone should treat both networks as equal, but I don't know if this should all happen in the baseband or in ofono or if it's a combination of both
[19:53] <jn> hey
[19:54] <jn> is anyone online?
[19:54] <k1l_> we will never know :)
[19:56] <jn> I need help porting ubuntu touch to the s4 mini
[19:56] <jn> do you have any experience?
[19:57] <jn> I've already merged the cm10.1 git repos with the ubuntu one, but the system.img is only about 60mb
[19:58] <jn> and it won't even get past the samsung logo
[19:59] <jn> anyone?
[20:06] <Myself5> heyho, is someone here building Ubuntu Touch on Arch Linux?
[20:08] <Myself5> I want to try porting Ubuntu Touch to some Sony devices, however I already fail at building a testbuild for hammerhead :/ http://hastebin.com/jopotufeme.lua
[20:09] <stakewinner00> Myself5, I tried to build some things for ubuntu from debian,
[20:09] <Myself5> what was the end of the story?
[20:09] <stakewinner00> I decided to use a ubuntu machine for this task.
[20:09] <Myself5> yay ...
[20:10] <jn> stakewinner00, can you help me build ubuntu touch?
[20:10] <jn> I'm on ubuntu aswell
[20:10] <Myself5> guess its installing Ubuntu then ...
[20:10] <Myself5> fml
[20:11] <stakewinner00> jn, I only wanted to play a little bit with my ubuntu phone, I don't developed anything serious for ubuntu phone.
[20:11] <Myself5> stakewinner00, what do you think, could Linux Mint work?
[20:12] <OerHeks> why using a slow fork, it is not supported by ubuntu even.
[20:13] <stakewinner00> Myself5, My problem is that I was too lazy to install the dependencies and prefered to use ubuntu. At the end debian and ubuntu are similar. But I suppose you can get a developer environment on linux mint or arch linux.
[20:13] <OerHeks> if you *really* want the mate desktop, https://ubuntu-mate.org/
[20:14] <Myself5> guess I'll look into setting up an environment for Arch.
[20:14] <Myself5> don't want to install Ubuntu
[20:15] <Myself5> OerHeks, cause I still had a installation pendrive laying aroung ;)
[20:15] <Myself5> *around
[20:16] <dobey> just make a container with lxc and use that :)
[20:18] <luca__> hi guys, i need some help for porting ubuntu touch
[20:19] <luca__> i have issues with ramdisk and init
[20:19] <luca__> the kernel cannot find init: "Kernel panic at boot: not syncing. No init found"
[20:19] <luca__> anyone i can talk with?
[20:58] <Myself5> dobey, what the hell is LXC?
[21:00] <dobey> https://lmddgtfy.net/?q=lxc
[21:00] <Myself5> hey, that looks actually intresting, gonna try that before installing Ubuntu to a different HDD
[21:11] <gQuigs> just curious - any idea when QT5.1 will move from -proposed to archive? (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/QtTesting)
[21:31] <luca__> guys, any ubuntu-touch-porting-ninja?
[21:31] <luca__> where can i ask for some help?
[21:32] <lotuspsychje> luca__: maybe the XDA forums might help?
[21:40] <luca__> yep i can try that! thanks
[21:41] <luca__> do you think here on irc someone could help? or this channel is for non technical issues?
[21:42] <lotuspsychje> luca__: many ubuntu touch devs here, but porting is bit advanced stuff not much users can help with
[21:43] <lotuspsychje> hope you understand luca__ its a very lonely path :p
[21:44] <luca__> ok ok i see
[21:45] <luca__> ahahha yes lotuspsychje, it's a great description!
[22:39] <ExplodingKittens> Hey, does anybody know where ubuntu-emulator stores the downloaded Ubuntu Touch system images? I can't seem to find them in any of the directories in $XDG_DATA_DIRS, and I /really/ don't want to have to redownload them on my secondary machine.
[22:49] <ExplodingKittens> Disregard that last question. I found them hiding in ~/.cache/ubuntuimages/.


 Happy Tuesday and, of course, happy Pancake Day! 😃
[09:54] <diplo> Anyone have any thoughts on why smtp.office365.com resolves and sometimes doesn't on a *nix box, only that address fails
[09:55] <diplo> It appears to do some sort of round robin to different addresses ( not sure if that is the correct terminology )
[09:56] <diplo> If I hardcode it to one of the addresses that resolves in /etc/hosts it works fine from then on, but I don't like that solution
[09:57] <diplo> Do wonder if it's an issue with Poco libraries we use and not like the round robin
[10:03] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU0iyBsdxCA easy
[16:55] <diddledan> when you attach the wrong resume: http://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5slbU6WAAAwj9y.jpg
[18:31] <davmor2> pancake overload
[18:36] <diddledan> :-p
[18:36] <diddledan> \o/
[18:36] <diddledan> well done!
[18:44] <daftykins> well holy moly, one Sky Q TV setup in and working at long last
[18:45] <daftykins> (for a client) as evil as the company are and as much as i wouldn't touch broadcast TV services myself, the mini boxes working over LAN to get the picture from the main unit and iOS/Android devices getting to watch live TV over the network as well is quite impressive
[18:50] <zmoylan-pi> do sky offer an evil channel now?
[18:53] <daftykins> they all are!
[18:53] <zmoylan-pi> even the cartoon channels?
[18:54] <daftykins> undoubtedly :)
[18:55] <zmoylan-pi> i'll never see spongebob squarepants the same way again!!
[18:56] <daftykins> clients' 3 year old seems to be all about Peppa Pig
[18:57] <zmoylan-pi> i stopped watching that when it got all political :-P
[18:58] <daftykins> then all 1984? :)
[18:59] <zmoylan-pi> should have stuck with trotskyist manifesto
[19:00] <daftykins> i got really interested in PBX and SIP malarkey last night, so i've decided to buy - https://www.amazon.com/Linksys-PAP2T-NA/dp/B000Q7PDW2
[19:01] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: he has square pants come on that has to be evil
[19:01] <daftykins> well, not that exact one because that's a rip-off - but £15 on ebay. my understanding is it'll connect to my landline phone socket then with an IP phone on the desk and a VM running FreePBX i can have an office style setup :>
[19:17] <diddledan> ALERT: AMAZON IS DOWN. REPEAT. AMAZON IS DOWN. https://twitter.com/awscloud/status/836656554212372480
[19:18] <daftykins> ;)
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> 🚨 🚨 🚨
[19:31] <zmoylan-pi> were's your cloud now?? ::insert manical laugh::
[19:31] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: over head and leaking wet stuff
[19:32] <zmoylan-pi> that's merely weather...
[19:33] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: it's weather coming from a my cloud though
[19:34] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: see my cloud is working fine
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> you run your own openstack? ;)
[19:35] <daftykins> he must have an office with a window...
[19:38] <zmoylan-pi> or an office so big clouds can form inside...
[19:39] <daftykins> ooh the new Apple UFO :P
[19:41] <zmoylan-pi> i think nasa has a building clouds have formed inside https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_Assembly_Building#Capabilities
[19:43] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: my cloud is in the sky
[19:47] <zmoylan-pi> in ireland we expect them at ground level
[22:24] <avis> http://idroot.net/linux/install-openlitespeed-ubuntu-16-04/
[22:36] <daftykins> avis: ?
[22:37] <avis> hi daftykins
[22:37] <daftykins> is it a guessing game?
[22:37] <avis> a former friend of mine coded that
[22:37] <daftykins> former!
[22:37] <avis> i care about ubuntu they help me other don't
[22:38] <daftykins> i think that's just "i go where i get what i want"
[22:38] <avis> he passed away
[22:38] <avis> redhat 7.3 is great in usa
[22:40] <daftykins> does crossing the border make it behave differently?
[22:56] <diddledan> yeah, it's terrible in canadia
[22:56] <zmoylan-pi> moose infestations in your sock drawers...
[22:59] <daftykins> :)


[13:47] <mup> PR operator#657 opened: Fix for container.restart in older versions of Pebble <Created by jnsgruk> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/657>
[13:50] <mup> PR operator#657 closed: Fix for container.restart in older versions of Pebble <Created by jnsgruk> <Merged by jnsgruk> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/657>
[14:06] <mup> PR operator#656 closed: Document the 'containers' attribute of ops.charm.CharmMeta <Created by mmanciop> <Merged by petevg> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/656>
[15:55] <mup> PR operator#658 opened: Add a test for restarting Pebble services on older Pebble versions <Created by jnsgruk> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/658>


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[19:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: gnome-shell-extension-bluetooth-quick-connect (focal-proposed/primary) [10-3]
[19:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: rabbitvcs (focal-proposed/primary) [0.18-1]
[21:11] <Eickmeyer> Release Team: We (Ubuntu Studio) have been waiting for bug 1803924 to be fixed for two years now, and it looks as though that is finally happening. With that, we want it back in Ubuntu Studio's seed.
[21:11] <Eickmeyer>  With Beta Freeze tomorrow, will that 1) Require a FFe, and if so 2) Can I get a PROMISE that it will get looked at/approved in time for beta freeze?
[21:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: lilypond [amd64] (focal-proposed/universe) [2.20.0-1] (no packageset)
[21:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python-pysnmp4-apps [amd64] (focal-proposed/universe) [0.3.2-2] (no packageset)
[21:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python-pysnmp4-mibs [amd64] (focal-proposed/universe) [0.1.3-2] (no packageset)
[22:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted lilypond [amd64] (focal-proposed) [2.20.0-1]
[22:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-pysnmp4-mibs [amd64] (focal-proposed) [0.1.3-2]
[22:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-pysnmp4-apps [amd64] (focal-proposed) [0.3.2-2]
[22:32] <valorie> Eickmeyer: I see nothing in the BR showing that the 2.0.0 version fixes the issue
[22:32] <valorie> probably good to add testing info if you have it
[22:34] <jbicha> valorie: the fix is https://salsa.debian.org/multimedia-team/libmypaint/-/commit/4202d6631
[22:34] <Eickmeyer> ^ I was just about to... thanks, jbicha.
[22:34] <valorie> cool
[22:34] <Eickmeyer> jbicha: Is there a sync request on this?
[22:35] <jbicha> Eickmeyer: the new libmypaint is landing in focal now. mypaint is in the NEW queue
[22:35] <Eickmeyer> jbicha: Excellent. I still want a response from the release team. I really want to JFDI, but I know I'll get torn a new one for doing it.
[22:36] <Eickmeyer> Basically, I need a FFe exception, considering how close to beta freeze this is, I can't count on the formal FFe process which I've met with little success in the past as they've largely gone completely ignored.
[22:37] <Eickmeyer> Just timing is difficult right now.
[22:38] <jbicha> this is a pretty simple case now :)
[22:54] <Eickmeyer> jbicha: I realize that, but we removed it from the Studio seed because of the conflict. I can put it back, but I fear that needs a FFe.
[23:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: logging-tree [amd64] (focal-proposed/universe) [1.8.1-0.1] (no packageset)