[12:11] <Nafallo> crimsun: hp_only works for me :-)
[12:11] <Nafallo> crimsun: with the breezy version of things :-)
[12:13] <crimsun> Nafallo: after using /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base, correct? :)
[12:13] <Nafallo> crimsun: yepp :-). updating the bugreport now :-).
[12:13] <crimsun> Nafallo: excellent, thanks.
[12:14] <Nafallo> crimsun: thank you, this bug has followed me since warty ;-).
[12:17] <Nafallo> I added the output of lspci -vns 00:11.5 :-)
[12:17] <Nafallo> should be enough for them to add hp_only as default :-)
[12:20] <ajmitch> sigh, \sh did gnue-forms as well
[12:23] <\sh> what?
[12:23] <\sh> did I catch one of your?
[12:23] <\sh> s
[12:23] <ajmitch> yes
[12:23] <ajmitch> one of my debian packages
[12:23] <ajmitch> that I was waiting to get through NEW in debian
[12:23] <ajmitch> so that I could sync the whole lot of gnue-* packages together
[12:24] <\sh> ajmitch: bah...I just adjusted the build-deps
[12:24] <\sh> ajmitch: sorry for that
[12:25] <ajmitch> it's ok
[12:25] <ajmitch> but the whole lot needs updated
[12:25] <ajmitch> to properly work with the wxversion stuff
[12:25] <ajmitch> patch needed to be applied in just the right place for it to work
[12:26] <\sh> ajmitch: python stuff...?
[12:27] <\sh> should be applied after import wxversion and before import wxPython bla
[12:27] <\sh> just like I did with bittorrent-gui
[12:27] <ajmitch> I've already done it :P
[12:27] <ajmitch> I know what to do, but you need to know where to patch gnue-forms for it to work properly
[12:28] <ajmitch> so the package is installable but not very usable at the moment in breezy
[12:28] <\sh> ajmitch: the package was an ubuntu package at all...do an update upload ;)
[12:28] <ajmitch> I'm going to ask for the sync
[12:29] <ajmitch> since it fixes other issues
[12:29] <\sh> it just happend today that I uploaded an Xubunu1 package ;)
[12:31] <crimsun> I initially interpreted that as Xubuntu and thought, "Wait, you didn't ping jani and me first?" ;)
[12:31] <\sh> crimsun: lol...no ;)
[12:40] <ajmitch> hmm, what's with that guy & "paco" who goes "quoting" everything?
[12:41] <\sh> ajmitch: ??
[12:41] <ajmitch> ubuntu-devel :)
[01:39] <\sh> ajmitch: have a second?
[01:41] <\sh> ajmitch: php4-sqlite -> Depends: phpapi-20020918 | zendapi-20020429 but installed in /usr/lib/php4/20050606
[01:41] <ajmitch> yeah
[01:41] <ajmitch> looks broken :)
[01:41] <\sh> damn
[01:41] <ajmitch> fwiw..
[01:41] <ajmitch> Package: php4-kadm5
[01:41] <ajmitch> Architecture: any
[01:41] <ajmitch> Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, phpapi-20020918
[01:41] <bddebian> ugh
[01:41] <ajmitch> no php:Depends
[01:41] <\sh> yeah
[01:41] <\sh> I have to fix this shit
[01:42] <ajmitch> :)
[01:42] <\sh> I will use the substvar stuff
[01:42] <ajmitch> I'll do a bit tomorrow once we get to our bug day
[01:42] <\sh> ajmitch: u agree with substvars?
[01:43] <ajmitch> yes
[01:43] <\sh> k
[01:43] <ajmitch> not that you need my agreement :)
[01:43] <bddebian> Tomorrow is bug day?
[01:43] <ajmitch> bddebian: yes, it starts in 12 hours & 15min
[01:44] <ajmitch> well
[01:44] <bddebian> Eeks
[01:44] <ajmitch> 11:30 if you count chatham islands ;)
[01:44] <ajmitch> but I don't think we have any ubuntu people out there
[01:45] <\sh> fixing the packages
[01:45] <ajmitch> thanks
[01:46] <bddebian> Yeah, whatever d00d. ;-)
[01:47] <\sh> I bugged them, I fixem up
[01:47] <ajmitch> bddebian: you're right, I don't want to help any of you, and & hate you all
[01:47] <ajmitch> sound better?
[01:47] <bddebian> :-)
[01:47] <ajmitch> ;)
[01:48] <bddebian> Heh
[01:48] <Nafallo> ajmitch: tss ;-)
[01:49] <Nafallo> bddebian: tsssss
[01:49] <\sh> grmpf
[01:49] <\sh> sqlite pulls in the old depends again..but now as well with new php depends
[01:50] <ajmitch> heh
[01:51] <\sh> damnit
[01:51] <\sh> dh_makeshlibs *grrr*
[01:59] <\sh> grmpf
[02:18] <Nafallo> joy
[02:18] <Nafallo> freeloader has debian/ built-in :-P
[02:18] <Nafallo> and it's empty ;-)
[02:21] <\sh> grmpf
[02:21] <\sh> two packages more and I'm done with php shit
[02:22] <Nafallo> :-)
[02:24] <\sh> after them I'm falling into bed
[02:26] <cogumbreiro> lo all
[02:29] <\sh> hi cogumbreiro nice to have u here
[02:29] <cogumbreiro> thx :)
[02:30] <ogra> cogumbreiro, arent you also writing this dialup tool ?
[02:30] <cogumbreiro> gnome-ppx?
[02:31] <ogra> yup
[02:31] <cogumbreiro> I was but I don't have a dialup connection anymore
[02:31] <cogumbreiro> since i've bought a router :)
[02:31] <ogra> heh..
[02:31] <cogumbreiro> and didn't see much interest from the community in it
[02:31] <ogra> thats an area where ubuntu still lacks good tools
[02:31] <cogumbreiro> it was a dialup for broadband connections
[02:32] <cogumbreiro> I would love to recreate it in pygtk ;) but still I lack the hardware to try it...
[02:32] <ogra> ubuntu has only pppoeconf ... its easy, reliable and does the job... but its 100% commandline
[02:32] <cogumbreiro> unless there's a mock ppp plugin outthere
[02:32] <cogumbreiro> gnome-ppx solves that totally
[02:32] <cogumbreiro> but alas...
[02:33] <cogumbreiro> that's an area I love to work, finding applications that are missing in my distro, ubuntu is specially greate because it shares my principles (loves open source, gnome and python)
[02:35] <ogra> heh, thats what pulled me in too :)
[02:36] <\sh> and I was pulled in by ogra and the theory of "I just works out of the box"
[02:37] <\sh> ok..all php4-extentions fixed, tested, uploaded
[02:38] <ogra> oh, mpt was here ?
[02:38] <\sh> fixing knoda
[02:39] <cogumbreiro> motu is about packaging programs, right?
[02:39] <ogra> cogumbreiro, that too
[02:39] <cogumbreiro> what more?
[02:40] <ogra> cogumbreiro, packaging, fixing stuff, packaging your own stuff, finding apps to package etc
[02:40] <ogra> everything you can do with packages :)
[02:40] <cogumbreiro> ogra: i've never done that, i feel intregued by it :P
[02:40] <ogra> and with universe
[02:40] <\sh> we're the gateway from the community into the archives...all software which is wished for from the community, we will check and package
[02:40] <bddebian> Ho hum, more syncs :-(
[02:41] <\sh> shermann@shermann-laptop:~/pbuilder/result/breezy$ du -m
[02:41] <\sh> 53      .
[02:41] <\sh> hmmm...
[02:41] <\sh> not much today
[02:41] <ogra> cogumbreiro, its very easy to understand if you tried it for some time...
[02:47] <Nafallo> based _heavily_ on gajims debian/* ;-)
[02:48] <Nafallo> kewl
[02:48] <Nafallo> only build-deps from main :-)
[02:50] <bddebian> heh
[02:53] <Nafallo> hmm
[02:53] <slomo> Nafallo: ping?
[02:53] <Nafallo> slomo: pong :-)
[02:53] <slomo> Nafallo: please write me a test mail ;)
[02:53] <Nafallo> lol
[02:54] <slomo> Nafallo: at the u.c address :)
[02:54] <Nafallo> sent :-)
[02:55] <bddebian> All this mozilla-locale-* crap wants mozilla-browser < 2:1.6.1 ??
[02:55] <\sh> change it ;)
[02:55] <\sh> fix it ;)
[02:55] <slomo> Nafallo: thanks :)
[02:56] <bddebian> To what?  I don't even know if they're valid anymore?
[02:56] <\sh> so test it ;)
[02:56] <ajmitch> they probably aren't valid
[02:56] <bddebian> ajmitch: That's my guess
[03:04] <ajmitch> ah darn, he's gone off to sleep
[03:12] <bddebian> OK, time for "LOST".  BBL
[03:22] <seth_k|lappy> our new servers are named after Lost
[03:23] <seth_k|lappy> we have charlie, locke, sawyer, kate, and jack
[04:11] <bmonty> any pointers on creating a patch for a source package that has the source code in a tar file?  Can I create a meaningful debdiff from that?
[04:13] <Lathiat> bmonty: does it use cdbs?
[04:14] <bmonty> Lathiat: nope, it uses debhelper
[04:14] <bmonty> I looking at the ace source package
[04:14] <Lathiat> well i mean you can apply a patch with the debian stuff (dpatch style etc)
[04:15] <bmonty> ok, and then can I give a debdiff to someone to try on amd64 and/or powerpc?
[04:16] <ajmitch> yes
[04:16] <ajmitch> because the patch gets applied after the tarball is unpacked
[04:17] <bmonty> sounds good
[04:25] <bmonty> so can anyone have access to build a package on a powerpc or amd64?
[04:29] <ajmitch> in a few hours I can do ppc :)
[04:30] <bmonty> ajmitch: I'll be going to bed in a few, so I'll post a link to the debdiff in a sec, ok?
[04:30] <ajmitch> ok
[04:36] <bmonty> ajmitch: the debdiff is at http://www.montynet.org/ubuntu/debdiff/ace_5.4.7-3ubuntu1.debdiff
[04:36] <bmonty> this is an experiment, I'm not sure if it will fix the problem :)
[04:36] <ajmitch> alright, will try & get some ppc time to take a look
[04:36] <bmonty> thanks
[04:37] <ajmitch> it's a shread box, usually running OSX< that doesn't belong to me ;)
[04:37] <ajmitch> shared..
[04:39] <bmonty> ajmitch: ace takes awhile to compile, so hopefully the other folks sharing the box don't get upset :)
[04:41] <ajmitch> I'll do it overnight then ;)
[04:42] <bmonty> I think it will fail quickly if the patch doesn't work (13k build log for failures vs. a 159k log for successful compile)
[04:43] <bmonty> hopefully it works and then \sh will leave me alone :)
[04:46] <bmonty> just got done taking a class on IPv6, and I noticed that you have to use -I with ping6 to ping a link local address, I think this is a bug....anyone know otherwise?
[04:51] <ajmitch> bmonty: no, it's not
[04:51] <ajmitch> it's perfectly reasonable according to the ipv6 spec :)
[04:52] <bmonty> ajmitch: k, I just figured since the link local address in the route table and assigned to an interface, I should be able to ping it....like with an IPv4 address
[04:52] <ajmitch> "
[04:52] <ajmitch> "Using link-local addresses for an IPv6 ping, the kernel does not know through which (physically or virtual) device it must send the packet - each device has a link-local address"
[04:53] <ajmitch> Lathiat can verify all this ;)
[04:53] <Lathiat> use -I
[04:54] <Lathiat> oh you already knew that
[04:54] <bmonty> ajmitch: I think it odd the spec would say that since the link local address has the MAC in it, I would think that would uniquely identify the interface
[04:54] <ajmitch> bmonty: nope
[04:54] <Lathiat> bmonty: no, your pinging a remote host
[04:54] <Lathiat> bm	it could be on any interface
[04:54] <Lathiat> as the link local range applies to all interfaces equally
[04:54] <Lathiat> the kernel isnt going to "guess" which one is appropriate
[04:54] <Lathiat> so you have to specify it explicitly
[04:56] <bmonty> Lathiat: I guess I'm confused, it would seem to me that kernel would know exactly what interface to use since the address is associated with only a specific single interface
[04:56] <ajmitch> Lathiat: your laptop not connected at the moment?
[04:56] <Lathiat> ajmitch: it is altho you may be tryign to ping my other laptop
[04:56] <Lathiat> or i was on wireless last time
[04:56] <ajmitch> Lathiat: yeah, the one I tried to merge off
[04:57] <ajmitch> when we were doing the bzr test
[04:57] <Lathiat> bmonty: how would it know? the only thing it knows by default is where it wants to send it
[04:57] <Lathiat> ajmitch: what address?
[04:57] <ajmitch> 2001:388:c0fe:0:211:43ff:fe62:698d
[04:57] <Lathiat> bmonty: the ip has the *local* mac,
[04:57] <Lathiat> ajmitch: uh thast right, tunnels probably down
[04:57] <ajmitch> as you can see, my ipv6 tunnel is up & working :)
[04:57] <Lathiat> bmonty: in theory, the kernel could go arp otu all interfaces
[04:57] <Lathiat> bmonty: and try find someone for the address
[04:58] <Lathiat> bmonty: but thats ugly,
[04:58] <ajmitch> that gets expensive for broadcast traffic
[04:58] <ajmitch> that's one reason that ipv6 is not allowed at uni - too much broadcasting
[04:58] <ajmitch> hey jsgotangco
[04:58] <Lathiat> also the link local address doesn't necesarily have to have the mac address in it
[04:58] <Lathiat> ajmitch: thats because your uni has a worse network design than my house
[04:59] <Lathiat> it just happens most people autoconfigure an address with the mac
[04:59] <Lathiat> you can manually configure one
[04:59] <bmonty> interesting...I'm also noticing that the link local address for eth0 has lo as the interface in the routing table
[04:59] <ajmitch> Lathiat: it's a real horror alright
[04:59] <Lathiat> and also use the 'privacy extensions' which create random addresses and change it every few minutes
[04:59] <jsgotangco> morning guys
[04:59] <Lathiat> bmonty: eh?
[04:59] <Lathiat> ajmitch: try now?
[05:00] <ajmitch> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 1573.081/1598.446/1626.443/19.946 ms, pipe 2
[05:00] <ajmitch> horrendous ping times :)
[05:00] <Lathiat> yeh
[05:00] <Lathiat> my link is being hammered
[05:00] <ajmitch> ok
[05:00] <Lathiat> and iw ant it to hurry up so i tweaked wondershaper up into the laggy area
[05:00] <ajmitch> at least the linux & osx hosts in my flat are using ipv6
[05:00] <Lathiat> has 44h left as it is :)
[05:00] <ajmitch> dunno about the 3 XP boxes
[05:01] <bmonty> Lathiat: thanks for the info...I need to do some more playing :)
[05:01] <bmonty> I'm planning on moving my home network to IPv6
[05:02] <bmonty> unfortunately my ISP won't give me a prefix, so I'm stuck tunneling to a 6bone gateway :(
[05:02] <ajmitch> Lathiat: how well does mdns6 work now?
[05:02] <Lathiat> bmonty: tunnel to aarnet
[05:02] <ajmitch> bmonty: most ISPs don't give out prefixes
[05:02] <Lathiat> ajmitch: on avahi? perfectly...
[05:02] <bmonty> I was going to use he.net, but I'll check out aarnet
[05:02] <ajmitch> Lathiat: why would you suggest aarnet for him?
[05:02] <Lathiat> ajmitch: because im silly
[05:02] <ajmitch> :)
[05:02] <Lathiat> and assume everyone is in australia :)
[05:03] <Lathiat> bmonty: where are you?
[05:03] <bmonty> in the middle of the US
[05:03] <ajmitch> :P
[05:03] <bmonty> Nebraska
[05:03] <Lathiat> :)
[05:04] <ajmitch> Lathiat: I shoudl switch it on - easier than hacking the zone files to put my ipv6 addresses in :)
[05:04] <Lathiat> http://penguins.squaa.org/~lathiat/routes.txt fear :)
[05:05] <bmonty> ajmitch: what is mdns6?
[05:05] <ajmitch> Lathiat: what system are you using there?
[05:05] <Lathiat> system?
[05:06] <Lathiat> all the 10.x routes?
[05:06] <ajmitch> Lathiat: looks very similar to a multipoint vpn I use
[05:06] <ajmitch> well, not very private :)
[05:06] <ajmitch> yes, all the 10.x routes
[05:06] <Lathiat> thats a bgp session to the perth wireless freenet
[05:07] <ajmitch> ah ok
[05:07] <ajmitch> the system I use is ethernet over udp
[05:07] <Lathiat> which im cheating and connected via a vpn to
[05:07] <ajmitch> so each of us runs a bgp router
[05:08] <Tonio-> hi
[05:08] <ajmitch> and can do local ipv6 routing over ipv4
[05:08] <ajmitch> hello
[05:08] <gabaug> is there a tutorial on how to take an existing ubuntu pkg and upgrade it (for one's own purpose) to a newer version of the software it's packaging?
[05:09] <bmonty> ajmitch: is there a service that does dynamic dns for IPv6, or do I need to run DHCP?
[05:09] <Tonio-> I don't understand
[05:09] <Yagisan> gabaug: It's covered in the new maintainers guide
[05:09] <Tonio-> why do you need to perform an update if it is for your own purpose ?
[05:09] <gabaug> Tonio-: the libapache2-mod-perl2 pkg is horribly out of date
[05:10] <bmonty> gabaug: do a search on www.debian-administration.org, I think they had an article about that
[05:10] <Tonio-> okay
[05:10] <Tonio-> do you want me to update it ?
[05:10] <gabaug> Tonio-: and I can build it myself, but I'd prefer to repkg it so I can later go back to Ubuntu's pkgs when they get around to be updated
[05:10] <gabaug> Tonio-: for distribution in Ubuntu?
[05:10] <Tonio-> yep ;)
[05:11] <Tonio-> well if you wanna make the package juste for you, I woul suggest a little ./configure && make & checkinstall
[05:11] <gabaug> Tonio-: well, never done it before, but I'm interested
[05:11] <Tonio-> you will get a non clean but working package for personnal usage
[05:11] <gabaug> Tonio-: how involved can it be just to upgrade an exisiting one?
[05:11] <Tonio-> okay juste let me check at this package ;)
[05:11] <bmonty> good night everyone
[05:12] <gabaug> Tonio-: I'm guessing there are some other ones (that depend on this one) that I'd like to upgrade too
[05:12] <Tonio-> I'll explain to you after
[05:12] <Tonio-> but where is the official source package ?
[05:12] <Tonio-> I mean do you have a direct link ?
[05:13] <gabaug> apt-get source libapache2-mod-perl2 ?
[05:13] <gabaug> I really don't know
[05:13] <gabaug> does that not work?
[05:13] <Tonio-> I mean the new version
[05:13] <Tonio-> because this one is supposed to be to late no ?
[05:13] <Tonio-> too old excuse me
[05:14] <gabaug> oh, yeah, sorry
[05:14] <Tonio->  -- Andres Salomon<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Thu, 23 Jun 2005 00:28:07 -0400
[05:14] <Tonio-> not too old
[05:14] <Tonio-> do you have breezy or hoary ?
[05:14] <gabaug> http://perl.apache.org/dist/mod_perl-2.0-current.tar.gz
[05:14] <gabaug> Hoary w/ BP
[05:15] <Tonio-> well the breezy version is up2date
[05:15] <gabaug> what version?
[05:15] <Tonio-> libapache2-mod-perl2 (2.0.1-1)
[05:16] <gabaug> the one is hoary is 1.99.14 and is from May 21, 2004 :)
[05:16] <gabaug> wow, ok
[05:16] <gabaug> hmm
[05:16] <gabaug> any way to get that backported? or to backport it myself? :)
[05:17] <Tonio-> hum
[05:17] <Tonio-> complicated
[05:17] <Tonio-> because of apache dependancies
[05:17] <gabaug> well, the apache shipped with hoary is actually supported by that version of mod_perl
[05:18] <gabaug> I know b/c I built mod_perl 2.0.1 on Hoary with no problem (and the README says it supports the version of Apache Hoary ships with)..
[05:19] <gabaug> the real issue for me is then installing all the perl libraries that I need...I hate installing them from CPAN b/c they break/won't install and/or then I have two things I have to keep track of upgrade-wise
[05:20] <Tonio-> I'm gonna send you that just wait
[05:20] <gabaug> I can't
[05:20] <gabaug> oh well, I'll install everything manually
[05:21] <gabaug> and/or move away from mod_perl
[05:21] <Tonio-> but why don't you compile the module ?
[05:21] <Tonio-> isn't that easier ?
[05:21] <gabaug> Tonio-: what do you mean?
[05:22] <Tonio-> well just compile the sources..........
[05:22] <gabaug> just build the package like one normally would do if no packaging system existed?
[05:22] <Tonio-> or wait for breezy (less than one month....)
[05:22] <gabaug> I've done that for the mdo_perl package and it worked fine
[05:22] <gabaug> yeah...
[05:23] <Tonio-> yep
[05:23] <gabaug> the issue is I have a site I need to get online ASAP
[05:23] <gabaug> that quite a few users use
[05:23] <Tonio-> the problem is that I can give you a source package you can easilly build, but you will have to install 15 packages before lol
[05:23] <gabaug> but I can probably get most of it working w/o using mod_perl, so I'll probably do that
[05:23] <Tonio-> or create a chroot
[05:23] <Tonio-> king of pain in the ass
[05:24] <Tonio-> well, would you get that much improvement with it ?
[05:42] <LaserJock> hi all, Is it weird to have a package be in it's own build dependency?
[05:42] <Lathiat> LaserJock: that happens
[05:42] <Lathiat> LaserJock: often for compilers and things
[05:43] <Lathiat> LaserJock: what are you looking at?
[05:43] <LaserJock> smlnj, it is a compiler
[05:43] <Lathiat> right
[05:43] <Lathiat> basically the compiler needs to compile itself
[05:43] <Lathiat> so it needs to be "bootstrapped"
[05:43] <Lathiat> if yoru lucky there will be an installable previosu version of the package you can use to do that
[05:44] <LaserJock> well, that's the thing. pbuilder can't find it
[05:45] <LaserJock> it says that it need version >=110.51 and it looks like it can get 110.44-1
[05:45] <LaserJock> I am trying to build 110.52
[05:45] <Lathiat> ah fun
[05:46] <Lathiat> well to fix that anyway will require help from the buildd maintainers
[05:46] <Lathiat> not sure who to talk to about that
[05:46] <Lathiat> perhaps annoy ajmitch
[05:46] <LaserJock> ok
[05:47] <LaserJock> I will put it on the UniverseUnmetDeps wiki
[06:19] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[06:56] <cogumbreiro> gnight all
[09:52] <ivoks> jesus... folks at microsoft are needing brain fix
[09:53] <Treenaks> ivoks: even more?
[09:53] <ivoks> did you see new office ui?
[09:53] <ivoks> with menus like:
[09:53] <ivoks> Bring
[09:53] <ivoks> to
[09:53] <ivoks> front
[09:53] <ivoks> instead of Bring to front
[09:54] <ivoks> i told them that's fundamentaly wrong and will be great only for chinese and japanese
[09:54] <ivoks> who read up -> down
[09:54] <ivoks> and then i got replyed with:
[09:55] <ivoks> Thanks for raising the issue and look forward to hearing comments down the road once you actually have a Chinese/Japanese build to play with.
[09:55] <ivoks> only thing i could say
[09:55] <ivoks> I'm not Asian but this new UI will be great for Asians.  I just wanted to tell you how bad your UI is.
[09:57] <ivoks> http://mark.smugmug.com/photos/35597918-O.jpg - this is just to hard to swallow :)
[10:32] <ajmitch> hi koke
[10:39] <pef> hi
[10:42] <Mithrandir> j^: what's the state of NM?
[10:42] <j^> Mithrandir tell me
[10:42] <Mithrandir> I thought you were hacking on it?
[10:43] <j^> Mithrandir i am, still my packages is not uploaded to universe and nobody can tell me why
[10:43] <ajmitch> probably just miscommunication..
[10:43] <Mithrandir> j^: where are they?  I'll take a look and upload after I've gotten a few other issues out of the way.
[10:45] <j^> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=514
[10:46] <j^> Mithrandir i do whatever is needed, someone just has to tell me what that is.
[10:48] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: tseng and I uploaded already fwiw.
[10:48] <Mithrandir> Nafallo: ook
[10:51] <j^> Nafallo but that was 10 days ago..
[10:52] <Nafallo> j^: more I believe? :-)
[10:52] <j^> i travelled many wifi hotspots since
[11:04] <Nafallo> j^: why do you move the init-scripts?
[11:04] <Nafallo> (re: NM) ;-)
[11:04] <j^> Nafallo avahi has it that way and i looked good to me :)
[11:04] <j^> *it
[11:05] <Lathiat> hehe
[11:05] <Nafallo> j^: well, hal and PowerManager have not :-P
[11:05] <Lathiat> j^: did you include my reload hack
[11:05] <j^> Lathiat i have that is in ubuntu5, which is only at http://bootlab.org/~j/NetworkManager-breezy/ right now
[11:06] <Nafallo> it's on REVU to
[11:06] <j^> Nafallo right
[11:07] <Lathiat> silly thing had a * * * dbus system config
[11:07] <j^> it was fixed in fedora, just that 1.8 was never uploaded to http://people.redhat.com/jvdias/dhcdbd/
[11:08] <Lathiat> ah
[11:12] <hunger> fabbione: Are you sure the /dev/input/mice issue is udev-related?
[11:12] <hunger> fabbione: I see it almost always when using the ubuntu 2.6.12 kernel and never when using a custom 2.6.13.
[11:32] <\sh> moins
[11:44] <ajmitch> hi \sh
[11:45] <\sh> morning ajmitch
[11:50] <Lathiat> ajmitch: had a chance to look at the avahi mono stuff?
[11:53] <ajmitch> nope
[11:54] <Nafallo> hmm
[11:54] <Nafallo> buildds busy? :-)
[11:54] <Nafallo> gcc, xorg, oo.o2
[11:55] <Nafallo> something tells me I'm right :-P
[11:55] <ajmitch> Lathiat: it'd only take a few minutes :)
[11:55] <\sh> Copying source file -> copying [pdumpfs-rsync_0.8.1-1ubuntu1_source.changes]  -> copying [./admin]
[11:55] <\sh> hmmm...
[11:55] <Lathiat> ajmitch: ok, whenever ;)
[11:55] <\sh> is it me, or is my pbuilder fcking around?
[11:56] <ajmitch> Lathiat: well what differences are there apart from avahi-sharp in 0.5?
[11:56] <Lathiat> ajmitch: should be no packaging differences
[11:56] <ajmitch> and do you have any 0.5 deb material, or should I update myself? :)
[11:57] <Lathiat> i suppose i can do the rest ;)
[11:57] <ajmitch> ok
[11:57] <ajmitch> bzr then? ;)
[11:57] <Lathiat> we bumped a few sonames
[11:57] <ajmitch> ah
[11:57] <ajmitch> evil
[11:57] <Lathiat> i have no idea of the way to handle the transition in the package name
[11:58] <ajmitch> :)
[11:58] <Lathiat> ajmitch: perhaps add the mono stuff, send me a diff and i'll send it to ross who can sort the rest out ;)
[11:58] <ajmitch> is the lib not backwards compatible?
[11:58] <ajmitch> read the debian library packaging guide?
[12:00] <Lathiat> ajmitch: nope
[12:00] <Lathiat> oh we've read that
[12:01] <Lathiat> new functions, 1 removed function
[12:01] <ajmitch> ok, so 1 removed.. I guess that's an SONAME bump
[12:01] <ajmitch> it's not something I've had a lot of experience with
[12:03] <\sh> Nafallo: could u check pdumpfs-rsync please? remove the tightened install-deps from control
[12:03] <\sh> Nafallo: in pbuilder that is..
[12:03] <Lathiat> ajmitch: If any interfaces have been added, removed, or changed since the last update, increment current, and set revision to 0.
[12:03] <Lathiat> and the package names appear to match the current number
[12:03] <Lathiat> im really ignorant of th ewhole thing
[12:03] <ajmitch> Lathiat: :)
[12:05] <Nafallo> \sh: apt-gets source :-)
[12:06] <ajmitch> Lathiat: well I've at least got avahi checked out from avn
[12:06] <ajmitch> svn
[12:06] <\sh> Nafallo: yes..
[12:06] <Lathiat> ajmitch: well, you really want the 0.5 tarball
[12:07] <ajmitch> Lathiat: I know :)
[12:08] <\sh> wow...my eyes are really small...
[12:09] <\sh> looks like I had a nice party yesterday
[12:09] <ajmitch> hm, laptop battery light is flashing red :)
[12:09] <Lathiat> heh
[12:09] <Lathiat> ajmitch: find pwoer? ;)
[12:09] <ajmitch> Lathiat: it means I have to walk upstairs
[12:09] <Lathiat> alternatively, power may be a good idea
[12:10] <\sh> ajmitch: hmm...I wasn't drunk around 1am UTC?
[12:10] <ajmitch> \sh: not that I could tell ;)
[12:10] <\sh> good..so no nice party
[12:10] <ajmitch> heheh
[12:10] <\sh> to look as pretty as ever
[12:10] <Nafallo> \sh: in pbuilder?
[12:10] <\sh> Nafallo: yes
[12:10] <ajmitch> heh
[12:11] <\sh> ajmitch: holi inn is full...
[12:11] <ajmitch> I know
[12:11] <\sh> ajmitch: but u could sleep with treenaks in the hostel 10 mins from the hotel
[12:12] <ajmitch> probably too expensive for me anyway
[12:12] <ajmitch> I was going to try there :)
[12:12] <ajmitch> only $20/night
[12:12] <\sh> ajmitch: 150 CAN $ last time i checked
[12:12] <\sh> prefered rate ;)
[12:13] <ajmitch> yeah
[12:13] <ajmitch> so I'd have to pay for my food as well
[12:13] <ajmitch> dunno if I could get into the dinner with you guys
[12:14] <\sh> ajmitch: no problem with me
[12:14] <ajmitch> hotel probably wouldn't like it
[12:14] <ajmitch> we were 2 to a room in UDU anyway
[12:14] <\sh> ajmitch: if you can accept that I'm snorring after I drank ;)
[12:14] <ajmitch> haha
[12:15] <\sh> just joking
[12:16] <\sh> ajmitch: so a third person doesn't matter ;)
[12:16] <\sh> ajmitch: I could take my usb hd with me..to have good music after the party ;)
[12:16] <ajmitch> mm
[12:17] <\sh> ajmitch: 300W 2.1 satellite speakers...should be ok ;)
[12:17] <ajmitch> nice :)
[12:18] <\sh> from classic, over heavy metal, oldies, pop, rock, trance to instrumentals...all you can eat ,-)
[12:19] <ajmitch> well the cheque from work cleared now, so I could buy tickets on monday to montreal
[12:19] <ajmitch> if I wanted to ;)
[12:19] <\sh> ajmitch: u want ;)
[12:19] <ajmitch> I do, really :)
[12:19] <ajmitch> but $1700US of flights is expensive
[12:20] <ajmitch> just to do a week of insane work :)
[12:20] <\sh> ajmitch: what would u do with the money instead?
[12:20] <ajmitch> pay off my student loan :)
[12:20] <\sh> u can do that later ;)
[12:20] <ajmitch> or buy that new amd64 box for compiling
[12:23] <\sh> ajmitch: u can do that later ;)
[12:24] <ajmitch> heh
[12:24] <ajmitch> yay, new gnome-torrent from koke ;)
[12:24] <ajmitch> with his crazy hackergotchi on planet ubuntu
[12:25] <Treenaks> people need to take pictures of me at UBZ
[12:25] <Treenaks> so I can get a 'gotchi too
[12:25] <\sh> listening to Kiss - Almost Human
[12:26] <ajmitch> none that I'd want used as a hackergotchi
[12:34] <koke> ajmitch: :)
[12:34] <koke> not much changes
[12:34] <koke> but it has 4 translations no
[12:34] <koke> now
[12:45] <Nafallo> morning slomo
[12:45] <\sh> hey slomo
[12:45] <ajmitch> hey slomo
[12:45] <ajmitch> yay, elections tomorrow
[12:45] <ajmitch> we can stop hearing about all the political crap here soon ;)
[12:46] <\sh> ajmitch: we have elections on the 18th
[12:46] <slomo> hi Nafallo, ajmitch, \sh :)
[12:49] <\sh> another cigarette and then shower time
[12:51] <\sh> building acl2 in the meantime
[12:52] <\sh> morning ogra btw ;)
[12:53] <\sh> he's awake..just so his comment on the 14967 bug ;)
[12:53] <\sh> Additional Comments From<EMAIL_ADDRESS>2005-09-16 11:46 UTC
[12:53] <\sh> s/so/saw/
[12:54] <ajmitch> aha
[12:54] <ogra> :)
[12:54] <ajmitch> so bug day officially starts in an hour
[12:54] <ogra> yes, i'm late today
[12:55] <ajmitch> someone want to send out a reminder for people to participate? :)
[12:55] <ajmitch> how are you ogra?
[12:55] <ogra> fine thanks...
[12:55] <Lathiat> bug day hey
[12:55] <Lathiat> i might have to do something
[12:55] <ajmitch> Lathiat!
[12:55] <ajmitch> we've got a *pile* of bugs on malone
[12:55] <ajmitch> I can probably close all the zope ones now
[12:56] <Lathiat> can i get some permissions to modify bugs or something then?
[12:56] <ajmitch> although I might ask doko & kobold for confimation there..
[12:56] <ajmitch> ogra: give the man editbugs :)
[12:56] <ogra> oh, yes, indeed
[12:56] <ajmitch> thanks
[12:56] <\sh> and I think when ogra and I won't get much sleep we will look like dried frogs someday
[12:56] <Lathiat> mark * bug: gtk
[12:57] <ogra> Lathiat, err, you seem to have two accounts, which one is right ?
[12:57] <Lathiat> ogra: on launchpad?
[12:57] <ogra> bugzilla
[12:57] <Lathiat> oh
[12:57] <Lathiat> what are the emails?
[12:57] <ajmitch> \sh: you're going to stay up all weekend for bug fixing
[12:57] <ajmitch> ?
[12:57] <ogra><EMAIL_ADDRESS>and<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:58] <Lathiat> ogra: ah<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is right
[12:58] <ogra> oki
[12:58] <\sh> ajmitch: me, myself and I? no...I have to go back to work on monday, so the weekend will be another relaxing situation
[12:58] <ajmitch> \sh: ah ok
[12:58] <ogra> done
[12:58] <ajmitch> \sh: I've got a lot of work to do as well
[12:58] <ajmitch> so my bug contributions may be limited :(
[12:58] <Lathiat> i have a lot of.. avoiding lectures to do, so i'll try do what i can :)
[12:58] <\sh> ajmitch: but I will see what I can do for some hours
[12:59] <ajmitch> Lathiat: I'm sure you can do that ;)
[12:59] <\sh> or getting finished with unmet deps
[12:59] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/people/motu/+assignedbugs
[12:59] <ajmitch> we've got a bit list there
[12:59] <ajmitch> s/bit/big/
[12:59] <ajmitch> and a number of unassigned bugs to process
[01:00] <Lathiat> close * resolution: CANTBEBOTHERED :) *bug day finished*
[01:00] <ajmitch> \sh: yeah, I'll do my debian uploads & then ask elmo for syncs of 10 of my packages :)
[01:00] <ajmitch> maybe just 9
[01:02] <\sh> oh my old friends mysql-admin and mysql-query-browser
[01:02] <ajmitch> evil
[01:04] <Lathiat> malone is really getting quite nifty
[01:04] <Lathiat> things like CVE references on bugs
[01:09] <ajmitch> as long as they don't break malone this weekend, I'll be happy :)
[01:10] <Lathiat> heh
[01:10] <Lathiat> ;)
[01:10] <ajmitch> haha
[01:10] <ajmitch> what bug #?
[01:11] <Lathiat> malone  1559/breezy
[01:11] <ajmitch> great
[01:11] <ajmitch> that'll be a big part of the bug day, cleaning up malone & bugzilla
[01:12] <Lathiat> hrm
[01:12] <Lathiat> can i tell apt-get sourc
[01:12] <Lathiat> e
[01:12] <Lathiat> to get from "hoary" rather than "breezy"
[01:12] <ajmitch> Lathiat: can you CC pitti on that bug?
[01:12] <Lathiat> as i have both in my sources list
[01:12] <Lathiat> ajmitch: how do i do that?
[01:12] <ajmitch> apt-get source package/hoary ?
[01:12] <ajmitch> subscribe pitti to the bug?
[01:12] <Lathiat> nifty
[01:13] <Lathiat> i'm really liking this
[01:13] <ajmitch> ok, I've CCed pitti
[01:13] <Lathiat> bah
[01:13] <Lathiat> so did i
[01:13] <ajmitch> heh
[01:13] <ajmitch> well it only does it once
[01:14] <Lathiat> E: Unable to find a source package for trac/hoary
[01:14] <Lathiat> hrm
[01:14] <ajmitch> ok, so that doesn't work :)
[01:14] <ajmitch> -t hoary ?
[01:14] <Lathiat> that didnt work either
[01:14] <Lathiat> so i did
[01:14] <Lathiat> trac=0.8-1ubuntu1
[01:14] <Lathiat> after using policy to find the version
[01:14] <ajmitch> :)
[01:14] <Lathiat> be nice if i could use the distro tho
[01:15] <Nafallo> Lathiat: tip. apt-cache madison package :-)
[01:15] <Lathiat> madison?
[01:15] <Nafallo> yepp
[01:15] <Lathiat> oh, nifty
[01:15] <Lathiat> any other hidden commands i shoudl know about
[01:15] <\sh> what is it?
[01:15] <Nafallo> hehe, that's how I felt when pitti showed me that ;-)
[01:16] <Lathiat> \sh: try it ;)
[01:16] <\sh> tried it ;)
[01:17] <ajmitch> \sh: you got rezound to build with no issues?
[01:18] <ajmitch> hehe
[01:19] <\sh> ajmitch: yes
[01:20] <ajmitch> bddebian & I both had it randomly failing testing for -lm
[01:20] <ajmitch> so I guess something magically fixed it
[01:25] <slomo> magic fixes are never good... the bugs tend to come back later ;)
[01:26] <ajmitch> yeah :)
[01:28] <Lathiat> its a day of firsts ;)
[01:29] <ajmitch> yay
[01:29] <Nafallo> Lathiat: gl :-)
[01:29] <Lathiat> now i have to install hoary on something ;p
[01:30] <Lathiat> anyone here use trac on hoary? ;)
[01:30] <Nafallo> Lathiat: naah, just install a hoary-pbuilder :-)
[01:30] <Nafallo> baah. costs money ;-). nothing for me :-P.
[01:30] <Lathiat> new beta includes 64bit support too which is nifty
[01:30] <Lathiat> Nafallo: hah, beta program ;)
[01:31] <ajmitch><EMAIL_ADDRESS>;)
[01:31] <Lathiat> the beta program one if legit tho ;p
[01:31] <ajmitch> :D
[01:31] <ajmitch> sure...
[01:32] <ajmitch> they all say that ;)
[01:32] <Nafallo> :-)
[01:32] <Mithrandir> pbuilder is also much faster than vmware
[01:33] <ajmitch> hi jinty
[01:33] <Nafallo> haha
[01:33] <Nafallo> OO.o2 made synaptic show the terminal thingie :-P
[01:35] <Lathiat> Mithrandir: yeh but pbuilder is no good for testing it
[01:35] <Lathiat> Mithrandir: and testing security uploads is kinda essential ;)
[01:35] <Mithrandir> Lathiat: just a regular chroot works for that
[01:35] <Nafallo> Lathiat: sudo pbuilder login :-)
[01:37] <jinty> hoi ajmitch
[01:38] <ogra> hey jinty
[01:38] <jinty> hi ogra
[01:38] <jinty> hi all!
[01:39] <Nafallo> morning jinty :-)
[01:39] <ogra> jinty, i made schooltools init scripts lsb compliant... if you got any benefit from having a patch fro that, i can send it to you
[01:39] <jinty> hello world;)
[01:39] <jinty> ogra sure, if it works, I'll apply it
[01:39] <ogra> (its very ubuntu specific, debian doesnt use lsb by default afauk)
[01:39] <ogra> afaik even
[01:40] <jinty> isn't there an lsb-xxx package I can depend on in debian?
[01:41] <\sh> back
[01:41] <ogra> i guess so... should be lsb-base if its there
[01:42] <ogra> yup, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/misc/lsb-base
[01:42] <jinty> why all the interest from ubuntu in schooltool lately?
[01:42] <ogra> jinty, edubuntu :)
[01:42] <jinty> ah
[01:42] <ogra> jinty, i install it by default there
[01:42] <ogra> its one of my core server components alongside moodle...
[01:42] <jinty> is there an edubuntu channel?
[01:43] <ogra> yup
[01:43] <ogra> #edubuntu
[01:43] <tseng> clever
[01:43] <jinty> have you got moodle to authenticate off schooltool yet?
[01:43] <ogra> nope, i didnt know thats possible
[01:43] <ajmitch> tseng: someone willing to help with bugday, who has an amd64
[01:44] <ajmitch> anything useful he can do?
[01:44] <tseng> hrm we fixed that mono one
[01:44] <ajmitch> or has slomo fixed most of the amd64isms?
[01:44] <tseng> yes
[01:44] <tseng> and i filed thema ll upstream
[01:45] <ajmitch> k
[01:45] <slomo> ajmitch: all amd64 bugs should be fixed... except the vte-one which is not logic ;)
[01:45] <ajmitch> if any of you have time to help out in #ubuntu-bugs over the next couple of days, please do so
[01:46] <tseng> i can i can do my usual darting in and out answering quick ?s
[01:46] <ajmitch> great
[01:46] <tseng> probably nothing spectacular
[01:46] <\sh> I will prepare a new wine package
[01:46] <ajmitch> I think we just need people around to help those who want to help
[01:48] <\sh> when is it officially starting? now?
[01:48] <ajmitch> officially? in 12 minutes ;)
[01:48] <ajmitch> if you take NZST as the starting timezone :)
[01:49] <\sh> k
[01:49] <Nafallo> New Zealand Summer Time?
[01:49] <ajmitch> only TZ I know that's ahead of NZST is NZCHAT
[01:49] <ajmitch> standard time
[01:49] <ajmitch> UTC+12
[01:49] <Nafallo> CHAT?
[01:49] <ajmitch> chatham islands
[01:50] <Nafallo> hmm
[01:50] <\sh> NICE wine .orig.tar from winehq with 2.9KB/s
[01:50] <\sh> wtf
[01:50] <ajmitch> wow
[01:50] <ajmitch> fast
[01:51] <\sh> ajmitch: the first 4MB was with 500kB/s
[01:51] <\sh> and then it drops above lightspeed ;)
[01:51] <\sh> and acl2 is evil as well
[01:52] <ajmitch> heh
[01:53] <\sh> I have to update to 6Mbit/s ;)
[01:53] <slomo> when i take a bug in malone... shall i assign it to me?
[01:53] <ajmitch> yeah, NZ has a poor broadband record :)
[01:53] <ajmitch> slomo: no
[01:53] <\sh> but I'm struggling with ordering sdl here...4Mbit/s down, 2 mbit/s up
[01:53] <Nafallo> hmm
[01:53] <ajmitch> slomo: set bug as Accepted
[01:53] <\sh> sdsl even
[01:53] <ajmitch> slomo: but leave it assigned to MOTU
[01:53] <slomo> ok
[01:53] <Lathiat> and thats top fo the line
[01:53] <Lathiat> :)
[01:53] <Nafallo> I have ~50KB/s atm ;-)
[01:53] <slomo> i'll take the certificate one ;)
[01:54] <ajmitch> slomo: that way we see the bug activity on universe-bugs
[01:54] <\sh> Nafallo: lol ;)
[01:55] <ajmitch> Lathiat: here 2048/128 is standard for ISPs reselling
[01:55] <Lathiat> ajmitch: ouch on the upload
[01:55] <Nafallo> hmm, I will have 3MB/s on monday probably :-)
[01:55] <Lathiat> ajmitch: problem is 1.5/256 is the max telstra will go
[01:55] <Lathiat> ajmitch: altho thats changing at some point
[01:56] <Nafallo> i.e. 24Mbit :-)
[01:56] <Lathiat> but only because independant ISPs rolling out their own 8mbit-capable dslams have forced there hand
[01:56] <Lathiat> Nafallo: i hate you :)
[01:56] <Nafallo> Lathiat: read my blog and you will hate me more ;-)
[01:56] <ajmitch> Lathiat: no LLU here, so no other DSLAM rollouts
[01:56] <Lathiat> url?
[01:56] <Lathiat> ajmitch: llu?
[01:56] <Nafallo> Lathiat: planet.debian.org :-P
[01:57] <ajmitch> Lathiat: although telecom has started transitioning to a fully IP network
[01:57] <Nafallo> Lathiat: or http://www.livejournal.com/~nafallo/ ;-)
[01:57] <ajmitch> Nafallo: yes, we do hate you
[01:57] <\sh> ok...grabbing my clothes from the washing machine ,) brb
[01:57] <ajmitch> Nafallo: planet debian? are you sure?
[01:57] <Nafallo> hmm
[01:57] <Nafallo> planet.ubuntu.com rather ;-)
[01:57] <ajmitch> ;)
[01:57] <Nafallo> ajmitch: nice catch ;-)
[01:58] <Nafallo> ajmitch: you are on planet ubuntu, right?
[01:58] <ajmitch> nope
[01:59] <ajmitch> I'm on no planet
[01:59] <Nafallo> ajmitch: baah. go fetch jdub :-P
[02:00] <ajmitch> IT'S BUG DAY, EVERYONE! :D
[02:00] <Lathiat> Nafallo: hah, i really do hate you ;)
[02:00] <Lathiat> so you have adsl2+
[02:00] <Lathiat> nice
[02:00] <Nafallo> Lathiat: not yet, my Internet having crashed yet ;-).
[02:00] <Nafallo> haven't even
[02:01] <Lathiat> heh
[02:01] <Nafallo> ETA monday :-P
[02:01] <ajmitch> ok, we'll do the hating on monday then
[02:01] <Nafallo> hehe
[02:02] <Lathiat> ffs
[02:02] <Lathiat> gnome-terminal is bad today
[02:02] <ajmitch> Lathiat: with screen & irssi?
[02:02] <Lathiat> keeps doing that stupid irssi/screen blanking thing constantly
[02:02] <Lathiat> yeh
[02:02] <Nafallo> I hope the rumours about the ISP isn't true :-/
[02:02] <Lathiat> its happening like every time i bother restarting it now
[02:02] <Lathiat> it usually happens a couple times a day
[02:02] <ajmitch> happened each time I wanted to use the laptop
[02:03] <ajmitch> Nafallo: what have you heard about them?
[02:03] <Nafallo> they say they vlan every ip to a central server.
[02:03] <ajmitch> uh, why?
[02:04] <Nafallo> so if I would like to have all clients have their own global ip, I might end up with 1Mbit on a 100Mbit switch :-P
[02:04] <ajmitch> eww
[02:04] <Lathiat> haha
[02:04] <Nafallo> "to protect the customers from each other" ;-)
[02:04] <Lathiat> that sounds as bad as ajmitch's university
[02:04] <ajmitch> Lathiat: hey now
[02:04] <Lathiat> altho at least their entire city of customers isnt on the same broadcast domain
[02:04] <ajmitch> Lathiat: they're moving to vlans as well :)
[02:04] <Nafallo> I know what to do about it anyway :-P
[02:05] <Nafallo> eth0.x on the router ;-)
[02:05] <Nafallo> and DNAT :-)
[02:05] <ajmitch> Lathiat: city? probably only a few thousand systems :)
[02:05] <ajmitch> Nafallo: ipv6 all the way ;)
[02:06] <Nafallo> ajmitch: hmm, tunnel from a provider?
[02:06] <ajmitch> yeah
[02:06] <Lathiat> ajmitch: no i mean
[02:06] <Nafallo> then I should go for the static ip then :-P
[02:06] <Lathiat> ajmitch: at least his isp doesn't link his whole citys adsl customers on the same braodcast domain ;)
[02:06] <ajmitch> Lathiat: aha, that would be nasty :)
[02:06] <ajmitch> but less likely with ADSL
[02:06] <ajmitch> compared to cable
[02:06] <Lathiat> heh
[02:07] <Lathiat> yeh
[02:07] <Nafallo> hmm, the isp I had before did that :-)
[02:07] <ajmitch> only time I've used cable was optus in melbourne, at a friend's place
[02:07] <Nafallo> I scanned the whole net for services and checked out what OS ppl where using ;-)
[02:07] <Lathiat> Nafallo: heh
[02:07] <Nafallo> lot's of linux :-P
[02:07] <Lathiat> a friend of mine
[02:07] <Lathiat> used to steal IPs
[02:08] <Nafallo> lol
[02:08] <\sh> argl
[02:08] <\sh> after 2hours
[02:08] <\sh> Transcript written on texput.log.
[02:08] <\sh> This is dvips(k) 5.92b Copyright 2002 Radical Eye Software (www.radicaleye.com)
[02:08] <\sh> dvips: ! DVI file can't be opened.
[02:08] <Lathiat> so he had like 10ips
[02:08] <ajmitch> oh evil
[02:08] <Nafallo> \sh: you say "argl" a lot ;-)
[02:08] <Lathiat> that be "borrowed"
[02:08] <Lathiat> and someone else i know
[02:08] <Lathiat> "borrowed" 300 ips
[02:08] <Lathiat> the cable co noticed
[02:08] <Lathiat> ;p
[02:08] <ajmitch> Nafallo: would you prefer argc? argv?
[02:08] <\sh> ajmitch: yes..
[02:08] <Nafallo> ajmitch: yes :-)
[02:09] <ajmitch> **kwargs :)
[02:09] <Nafallo> Lathiat: haha
[02:09] <\sh> ok..preparing first new wine uploads
[02:09] <Lathiat> \sh: nice
[02:09] <ajmitch> Lathiat: mm, 300 is quite a few :)
[02:09] <Nafallo> \sh: with amd64 support?  :-P
[02:52] <Nafallo> ;-)
[02:52] <Lathiat> Nafallo: what?
[02:53] <Nafallo> Lathiat: 1Gbit/s IIRC :-)
[02:53] <Lathiat> heh
[02:53] <Nafallo> Lathiat: and no quota :-P
[02:53] <ajmitch> sorry, but you still have to die ;)
[02:53] <Lathiat> HEH
[02:53] <Nafallo> baah
[02:53] <Nafallo> :-P
[02:53] <Lathiat> so
[02:53] <Lathiat> Mithrandir: ONLY :)
[02:53] <Mithrandir> yeah, uncapped too.
[02:54] <Lathiat> $70aud/mo
[02:54] <Mithrandir> that's about the same as we're paying.
[02:54] <Lathiat> i hate you
[02:54] <ajmitch> Lathiat: do you hate me too?
[02:54] <Lathiat> ajmitch: your quota is as bad as mine isnt it?
[02:54] <ajmitch> with my 10GB cap (combined up/down)
[02:54] <Lathiat> *up* and down?
[02:54] <Lathiat> ouch
[02:55] <Lathiat> i feel sorry for you
[02:55] <ajmitch> hey dholbach!
[02:55] <Nafallo> hmm
[02:55] <dholbach> hellas
[02:55] <\sh> dholbach: fixed your centericq sync ;)
[02:55] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: sounds we should _never_ leave scandinavia ;-)
[02:55] <Lathiat> gimme a D
[02:55] <dholbach> owoohoo :)
[02:55] <dholbach> YEAH! :)
[02:55] <dholbach> finally internet from home
[02:55] <Nafallo> morning dholbach :-)
[02:55] <\sh> MAIN work now ;)
[02:55] <Lathiat> hah
[02:55] <ajmitch> Nafallo: unless you move to japan or korea :)
[02:55] <ajmitch> dholbach: great!
[02:55] <Mithrandir> Nafallo: I'm just hoping UBZ will have > 0 bandwidth.
[02:56] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: unlike UDU? :)
[02:56] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: like, 512kbit?
[02:56] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: ehm... what part of "Below Zero" did you now get? ;-)
[02:56] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: well, it can't possibly have worse latency, at least.
[02:56] <ajmitch> dholbach: ready to handle bug day?
[02:56] <Mithrandir> Nafallo: it's going to be warm there, so it's obviously not referring to temperature
[02:57] <dholbach> ajmitch: let me take it slow :)
[02:57] <ajmitch> dholbach: ok, I'll give you a couple of minutes to get started then :)
[02:57] <\sh> dholbach: take over my wine duty ;)
[02:58] <\sh> dholbach: I'm just trying to package amarok 1.3.1
[02:59] <dholbach> man... let me breathe :)
[03:00] <ajmitch> dholbach: hehe ok
[03:02] <\sh> dholbach: today's \sh teasing day
[03:04] <ajmitch> ok, time for me to sleep
[03:19] <Lathiat> how do i sign an already generated source package?
[03:20] <slomo> Lathiat: debsign
[03:25] <Lathiat> slomo: ah thanks
[03:29] <dholbach> who wants to do a follow up on the bug day announce? a reminder? :)
[03:30] <doko> slomo: drpython: the wx docs are still accessed online, not from the docs dir. an even better fix would be to check, if the docs are installed, and fallback to online
[03:31] <slomo> doko: i've done that... and it shows the local docs for me ;)
[03:31] <slomo> doko: did you install wx2.6-docs?
[03:31] <dholbach> everybody who wants to be involved in the bugday, join us on #ubuntu-bugs :)
[03:31] <slomo> doko: wx2.6-doc even
[03:32] <doko> slomo: ok, but you have to restart drpython
[03:32] <doko> after installing the docs
[03:33] <slomo> doko: yes... the paths are filled at the start of drpython
[03:33] <doko> ok
[03:33] <slomo> doko: as it was before with the non-local paths too
[03:34] <slomo> doko: i wanted to change as less as possible
[03:35] <doko> ok
[03:35] <doko> thanks for the patch
[03:35] <slomo> np :) did you find someone for packaging the regexp stuff?
[03:36] <Lathiat> if im working on a bug in malone
[03:36] <Lathiat> should i take it from being assigned to MOTU and assign to me?
[03:36] <slomo> Lathiat: just accept it and leave it assigned to motu
[03:37] <\sh> ok..guys...
[03:37] <\sh> deb http://archive.linux-server.org/ breezy/i386/
[03:37] <slomo> \sh: for what?
[03:37] <\sh> to your sources.list , update, upgrade and run amarok ;)
[03:37] <\sh> 1.3.1
[03:37] <\sh> wine postponed ;)
[03:37] <slomo> \sh: i don't want amarok... i don't want qt... and i don't want kde ;P
[03:37] <\sh> slomo: do it for me baby ;)
[03:37] <Lathiat> slomo: ok
[03:51] <bddebian> Heya
[03:56] <Lathiat> for dh_installinit
[03:56] <Lathiat> does it install some default runleve
[03:56] <Lathiat> l
[03:56] <Lathiat> if its not specified anywhere
[04:06] <slomo> Lathiat: no idea... it isn't that clear from the manpage ;)
[04:07] <jamessan|work> why wouldn't you specify the runlevel?
[04:09] <dholbach> how are plans for beagle 0.1.0?
[04:10] <\sh> ok..wine 20050830 is building
[04:11] <Lathiat> slomo: mm i figured it out
[04:12] <slomo> dholbach: i would update it but tseng is maintainer of beagle in debian and for us so i wait for him ;)
[04:12] <dholbach> i see
[04:12] <dholbach> :)
[04:12] <dholbach> does it work for you?
[04:12] <slomo> but i think he wants to update it for breezy :)
[04:13] <slomo> no idea... i don't use beagle... i know where my stuff is and need nothing to search for it ;)
[04:13] <dholbach> me too
[04:13] <dholbach>  :)
[04:13] <dholbach> i just thought people erm ... might like it :)
[04:14] <slomo> sure... they will love it probably =)
[04:22] <ivoks> hello
[04:22] <slomo> hi ivoks
[04:23] <ivoks> hi
[04:23] <ivoks> to translate apps on LP, i should form loco team?
[04:24] <slomo> translation team... yes... or join the one for your language
[04:25] <ivoks> there is none :)
[04:25] <bddebian> Heya ivoks
[04:25] <slomo> then form one and tell some LP guru to add your team to the ubuntu translators team or how it was called ;)
[04:26] <ivoks> ah..
[04:26] <ivoks> no need for CC?
[04:26] <dholbach> guys the party is on #ubuntu-bugs... not here :)
[04:26] <slomo> ivoks: no idea
[04:26] <ivoks> :)
[04:27] <slomo> dholbach: ok, i'll join... but i can't do much today... must learn for my math exam :(
[04:27] <bddebian> dholbach: :-)
[04:27] <dholbach> slomo: on monday?
[04:27] <slomo> dholbach: friday... and i haven't done anything yet :()
[04:28] <slomo> dholbach: no books... i just need paper, a pencil and some pdfs ;)
[04:28] <slomo> but thanks for the tea :)
[04:29] <dholbach> then print them and get yourself in the library
[04:29] <slomo> why? because there is less "ablenkung"? (hm, how's this called in english?)
[04:30] <\sh> distraction
[04:47] <slomo> can someone test what host -t MX slomosnail.de says for you?
[04:48] <Nafallo> slomosnail.de mail is handled by 10 m34s25.vlinux.de.
[04:48] <\sh> shermann@shermann-laptop:~/packages/amarok/debian/patchwork/amarok-1.3.1/amarok/src/engine/gst/config$ host -t mx slomosnail.de
[04:49] <\sh> slomosnail.de mail is handled by 10 m34s25.vlinux.de.
[04:49] <Nafallo> \sh: nice path ;-)
[04:49] <slomo> thanks... then it's just old dns cache for the ubuntu mail servers ;) katie and malone stuff gets to my old isp currently :(
[04:49] <slomo> same for the mailinglists
[04:49] <\sh> Nafallo: well..I'm working ;)
[04:50] <Nafallo> \sh: /exec -o dude ;-)
[04:50] <\sh> Nafallo: well...I forgot all those nice ircII features long ago...now I'm on hand work ;)
[04:51] <Nafallo> :-)
[05:17] <zyga> siretart: ping
[05:28] <\sh> zyga: siretart is on holiday
[05:29] <zyga> \sh: ah, I wanted to get into revu
[05:29] <zyga> \sh: I read the wiki page and wanted to submit my gpg key
[05:32] <\sh> zyga: hmmm..sistopy could help you when he is here
[05:33] <\sh> slomo: libmms promoted...2 MOTUs == upload
[05:40] <\sh> 2
[05:40] <\sh> I need some sleep before I discuss with mdz
[05:50] <dholbach> i'm out for a bit of shopping, brb
[05:57] <jginz> howdy.
[05:57] <jginz> anybody mind helping out a neophyte with a question probably out of the league of the normal neophyte channel?
[05:58] <jginz> there's a patch to openssh that i'd like to apply to it and then rebuild the deb file...
[05:59] <jginz> i've been reading every debian and ubuntu resource i can find, but nothing quite seems to work...
[06:00] <Lathiat> jginz: apt-get source openssh; go into the build dir and apply the patch then edit the changelog (you might use 'dch -i' to do this), give it a custom version e.g. <version>+jginz and run debuild, dont forget to apt-get build-dep openssh
[06:00] <jginz> whoa. okay -- let me go try that...
[06:00] <jginz> i was going the dpatch route... that sounds much easier...
[06:01] <NotThomMay> hey, anyone cosidered adding http://freshmeat.net/projects/gimpshop/ as a package?
[06:03] <ivoks> why would we have 2 same packages? :)
[06:04] <NotThomMay> qua?
[06:06] <jginz> Lathiat: I applied the patch, modified openssh-3.9p1/Changelog to add my entry, modified version.h to give it a custom version, renamed the source tree dir to match that custom version, went into the source tree dir and ran "sudo pdebuild", but it failed out saying dpatch could not be found -- i have dpatch, but i imagine that from the chroot, it can't find it...
[06:07] <jginz> again i'm sorry for the neophyte questions -- i've never build a deb package before...
[06:07] <ivoks> jginz: did you change debian/rules?
[06:08] <jginz> ivoks: no -- what changes need be made?
[06:08] <ivoks> it must include /usr/share/dpatch/dpatch.make
[06:08] <ogra> NotThomMay, yes, i wanted to package it, but i'm missing te time to do that
[06:08] <ivoks> jginz: and you modified wrong changelog
[06:08] <ivoks> jginz: you should modify openssh-3.9p1/debian/changelog
[06:09] <ivoks> and you don't change source tree name
[06:10] <jginz> ivoks: thank you... will go try again...
[06:11] <ivoks> jginz: upstream source must remain untouched
[06:11] <ivoks> jginz: all changes go in debian/ directory
[06:13] <Lathiat> jginz: you want to modify debian/changelog, and dont bother renaming the dir, and yes put the patch in debian/patches/<file>
[06:39] <bddebian> If a package wants the path to an app in configure, what's the best way to find it without hardcoding a path?
[06:42] <ivoks> which :)
[06:43] <bddebian> ivoks: which what? ;-)
[06:43] <ivoks> bddebian: which app_name
[06:43] <ivoks> bddebian: for example, which firefox
[06:43] <ivoks> and save it in variable
[06:55] <bddebian> ivoks: It doesn't work :-(
[07:01] <jginz> ivoks and Lathiat: got it worked out -- thanks for your help... i'll definitely blog about my experience so it's googleable...
[07:01] <dcraven> I'm getting the lintian error "changelog-file-not-compressed".. I'm assuming that there is a way to compress the ChangeLog in the build process correct?
[07:06] <dcraven> Also, I want to adopt a package from UniverseCandidates (starting with my own app). I currently have a .deb for it, but I'm trying to clean up lintian moaning (see above). Should I be moving this program from the "Source Location" list to the "already Handled or being handled" list found at UniverseCandidates?
[07:07] <jamessan|work> dcraven: a call to dh_compress should handle that
[07:08] <dcraven> jamessan|work: Oh good :). Cheers for that.
[07:09] <j^> Nafallo so you think to have scripts with numbers in /etc/dbus-1/event.d is the right thing for the long run?
[07:38] <jbailey> I know how to do syncs for things that are already in Ubuntu.  Do I have to do anything special to sync something that *isn't* in Ubuntu but is in Debian?
[07:38] <jbailey> apparently there's a linux-dvb-headers package that isn't over.
[07:38] <jbailey> Or is there a list of packages that haven't made it and reasons why?
[07:40] <dholbach> jbailey: just ask elmo to sync it
[07:40] <dholbach> jbailey: they might have hit debian after out auto-syncs
[07:41] <jbailey> dholbach: 'k, thanks.
[07:41] <dholbach> de rien :)
[07:41] <chillywilly> hi jeffy
[07:41] <dcraven> Should a deb be lintian-warning-free before accepted by MOTU? I get the binary-without-manpage warning, aside from that.. All clean.
[07:42] <dcraven> s/accepted/reviewed
[07:42] <dholbach> manpages are good :)
[07:42] <chillywilly> wtfm ;)
[07:42] <dcraven> dholbach: Somehow I knew you'd say that :)
[07:42] <dholbach> you can put it up for review no matter how advanced your package is
[07:42] <dholbach> you can let it be reviewed while you work on it
[07:42] <dholbach> that's no problem
[07:42] <jbailey> Heya Danny-boy
[07:42] <dholbach> did you read wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU?
[07:43] <dholbach> jbailey: i hope you're not talking to ME? ;-p
[07:43] <dcraven> dholbach: I have it open in my browser. Does that count? :P
[07:43] <dholbach> jbailey: how are you?
[07:43] <dholbach> dcraven: that's a good start :)
[07:43] <dcraven> heh
[07:43] <dcraven> dholbach: I figured I'd work on the lintian issues since it'll need doing eventually.
[07:44] <jbailey> dholbach: *lol*
[07:44] <jbailey> dholbach: No, answering chillywilly. =)
[07:44] <jbailey> dholbach: I'm well, tired.
[07:44] <jbailey> dholbach: There were some crazy heat waves that have finally stopped.  Angie's away this weekend so I'll catch up on stuff. =)
[07:44] <jbailey> dholbach: you?
[07:45] <dholbach> jbailey: i had quite a difficult time without internet, but finally after some tantrums, i finally live in berlin AND have internet ;)
[07:45] <dholbach> jbailey: i'll catch up on the weekend too, i'm fine, thanks :)
[07:45] <jbailey> Cool. =)
[07:45] <jbailey> I'm sad that I didn't make it to the Berlin Love Festival.
[07:45] <jbailey> Do you think they'll ever have it again?
[07:46] <dholbach> if they manage to clean up after themselves, i'm quite sure they'll make it :)
[07:46] <dcraven> dholbach: Are you saying that I should be registering as an uploader as per the REVU page? I assumed some qualifications were required for that.
[07:46] <neoliminal> Hi, someone told me this is where I ask for things to be included in universe.
[07:46] <dholbach> dcraven: write a signed mail to siretart
[07:46] <dcraven> dholbach: Okay.
[07:46] <dholbach> neoliminal: wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates is for that - what do you want us to include?
[07:47] <chillywilly> danny boy the pipes, the pipes are calling
[07:47] <chillywilly> oh*
[07:47] <neoliminal> gimpShop.
[07:47] <dholbach> neoliminal: what is it about?
[07:47] <dholbach> a photoshop-like thing for the gimp?
[07:47] <neoliminal> It's a version of gimp that has all the tools in the same places you'd find them in photoshop.
[07:47] <dholbach> i see
[07:47] <dholbach> is it a "plugin" or a "fork"?
[07:47] <neoliminal> It makes the transition to Gimp much easier.
[07:48] <neoliminal> fork.
[07:48] <neoliminal> was a plugin.
[07:48] <dholbach> is it well-maintained?
[07:48] <neoliminal> now it's a fork.
[07:48] <neoliminal> Yes.
[07:48] <neoliminal> slashdot just did a story on it.
[07:48] <dholbach> would you like to take care of it?
[07:48] <neoliminal> you can check it yourself.
[07:48] <neoliminal> I'm not sure what that means.
[07:48] <dholbach> we'd help you get there :)
[07:48] <neoliminal> :)
[07:48] <neoliminal> Tell me what is involved.
[07:49] <dholbach> usually packages are better maintained by people who have a desperate need for those tools
[07:49] <dholbach> so if you'd get some help in packaging it up, you'd update it every now and then, report bugs to upstream, try to tackle some thing yourself, ... :)
[07:49] <dholbach> generally that's what a maintainer's life is about :)
[07:50] <neoliminal> :)
[07:50] <dholbach> i'm not quite sure, if i could handle a package i wouldn't use
[07:50] <dholbach> ... don't use ...
[07:50] <dholbach> but it sounds useful
[07:50] <neoliminal> Yes, I see the advantages.
[07:50] <neoliminal> The only real problem here is that I'm really a graphics guy...
[07:50] <neoliminal> Kinda scared of the whole unixy thing
[07:51] <neoliminal> Is it hard to maintain a package?
[07:51] <dholbach> i see :)
[07:51] <dholbach> if you don't like it, that's no problem
[07:51] <dholbach> i wouldn't push you into it
[07:51] <dholbach> just offer it to you
[07:51] <neoliminal> I'm honoured.
[07:51] <neoliminal> But scared.
[07:51] <dholbach> you can also just add it to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates :)
[07:54] <dcraven> dholbach: About, UniverseCandidates.. The package I'm working on is listed there already. Should I take it off/move it/leave it alone? Hate to duplicate an' all. :)
[07:54] <dholbach> there's a section "packages being worked on" or something
[07:54] <dholbach> you could move it there
[07:55] <dholbach> thanks for that
[07:55] <dcraven> dholbach: I'll do it now. I appreciate the guidance.
[07:55] <dholbach> dcraven: i enjoy it, thanks :)
[07:56] <dholbach> dcraven: if you want me to look at your package beforehand (siretart is in holidays afaik), just tell me
[07:57] <dcraven> Okay. Let me put it on my server for you. What files would you like, just the deb?
[07:58] <dholbach> no
[07:58] <dholbach> just the source package
[07:58] <dholbach> .diff.gz .orig.tar.gz .dsc
[07:58] <dholbach> please :)
[07:58] <dcraven> Oh. Okay.
[07:58] <dholbach> you can't review a .deb properly, there's too much of stuff missing
[07:59] <dcraven> dholbach: Okay. I'm lookin' around for those.. I see the dsc here.
[07:59] <dholbach> and a .tar.gz?
[08:00] <dcraven> dholbach: Yes.
[08:00] <dholbach> put up those two... you did a "native package"
[08:01] <neoliminal> Ok, I'm trying to figure out how to put up a request on the page you sent me to... UniverseCandidates.... but it doesn't seem to want to let me edit the page?!?
[08:02] <neoliminal> nevermind.
[08:02] <dholbach> dcraven: ok generally, you should take the .tar.gz you download from upstream, then move it to appname_version.orig.tar.gz, then unpack it, then add the debian/ dir and then build the source package
[08:02] <dholbach> neoliminal: oh, did you create an account for the ubuntu pages?
[08:03] <dholbach> neoliminal: you just need one for bugzilla/launchpad/wiki/...
[08:03] <dholbach> if not that's fine, just /query me the link, the package name and a description and i'll add it
[08:04] <dholbach> dcraven: so just rename the .tar.gz - don't do changes to it, that's why it's called "orig.tar.gz" ;)
[08:04] <dcraven> dholbach: Okay. I never actually downloaded the tarball from upstream though. I *am* the upstream. I just branched svn when it was time for release.
[08:04] <dholbach> ah i see
[08:05] <dholbach> so you'd better do a clean release, without the debian/ crack in it, that's nicer, because you get a .diff.gz which gives you only the debian/ubuntu changes
[08:07] <dcraven> dholbach: By clean release, you mean exclude the debian/ crack from the release tarball?
[08:08] <dholbach> yeah
[08:08] <dholbach> that's nicer - imagine you release 1.2.3-1 and i do a quick fix 1.2.3-2 - the diff will look terrible :)
[08:09] <neoliminal> ok, I added it to the request list!
[08:09] <neoliminal> Yah me!
[08:09] <dcraven> Okay.. I might understand. Instead of branching svn (which includes debian crack), and building the .deb in there, I should use an official release tarball (which I assume excludes the debian crack), and build the package outside of the svn branch.
[08:09] <dholbach> neoliminal: super :)
[08:09] <neoliminal> Have a nice day guys!
[08:09] <dcraven> Bye neoliminal
[08:09] <dholbach> dcraven: yeah that sounds good to me :)
[08:09] <dholbach> neoliminal: thank you
[08:10] <dcraven> dholbach: Okay then.  :P
[08:19] <dcraven> heh
[08:20] <dholbach> dcraven: i'm not through yet :)
[08:21] <thesaltydog> dholbach, ciao daniel
[08:22] <thesaltydog> siretart, hi
[08:22] <siretart> huhu thesaltydog
[08:24] <dholbach> dcraven: if you want to become a MOTU and maintain the universe with us (and i'd like to have you ther ;))) - you should have a look at wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto - it's a deadly useful tool for building in a separate environment and checking build depends, ... :)
[08:25] <thesaltydog> dholbach, I remember you told me months ago the same thing..
[08:25] <thesaltydog> :-)
[08:26] <\sh> can somebody confirm the xpdf bug (malone #2148)
[08:26] <dholbach> dcraven: just sent it
[08:26] <dholbach> :)
[08:26] <thesaltydog> dcraven, daniel is right. And I can add that pbuilder in an irreplaceable tool..
[08:28] <dholbach> \sh: yes
[08:29] <dcraven> dholbach: Thanks.
[08:29] <dholbach> \sh: you have to debug xpdf.bin
[08:29] <\sh> dholbach: hmmm...than it's upstream...cause 3.01 has it as well
[08:29] <dcraven> thesaltydog: Okay.
[08:29] <dholbach> \sh: X b0rkage?  0xb7d4be74 in XtChangeManagedSet () from /usr/lib/libXt.so.6
[08:29] <\sh> gnarf
[08:29] <dcraven> I'll look into the PbuilderHowto prior to rebuilding a clean build for review.
[08:30] <dholbach> dunno if it actually is X
[08:30] <dholbach> dcraven: excellent
[08:30] <thesaltydog> dholbach, deja-vu.
[08:31] <dholbach> :)
[08:36] <dcraven> dholbach: Thanks for the detail in the email.
[08:36] <dholbach> :)
[08:36] <dcraven> dholbach: Should I put comments/questions about those points in a reply to that email?
[08:37] <dholbach> as you like it - if you have trouble, feel free to ping me about it
[08:37] <dcraven> dholbach: Okay.
[08:39] <siretart> huiui.. daniels was very busy during my absence.. upgrading from xorg -60 to -67 ;)
[08:50] <\sh> that was a little step for me, but a big step for the breezy community ;)
[08:51] <\sh> amarok_1.3.1-0ubuntu1 finally hit the archives...now everybody can blame me
[08:51] <siretart> :)
[08:58] <thesaltydog> dholbach, I have carefully read this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTURecruitment
[08:59] <dholbach> super
[08:59] <thesaltydog> dholbach, ..signed the Code of COnduct, applied for membership, updated my wiki page..
[08:59] <dcraven> thesaltydog: I did the same :)
[08:59] <dholbach> wow... so you'll be in one of the next CC meetings?
[08:59] <thesaltydog> dholbach, ...and I am also running pbuilder!
[08:59] <dcraven> 27th
[08:59] <thesaltydog> dholbach, I was asking you: now, what?
[09:00] <dholbach> thesaltydog: if you want to be a MOTU, work with the team, attend the meeting and you'll be fine :)
[09:00] <thesaltydog> when the meeting will be?
[09:01] <dholbach> wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar has all the dates
[09:01] <thesaltydog> I'll be there..
[09:02] <dholbach> thesaltydog: you might want to comment on: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=313668
[09:02] <dholbach> thesaltydog: didn't you solve the hardlink issue in baobab?
[09:02] <siretart> btw, what happened with network-manager? did someone upload j^'s package?
[09:03] <thesaltydog> hardlink? Baobab has no open issues...
[09:03] <dholbach> daniel@lovegood:~$ apt-cache show network-manager | grep Maintainer
[09:03] <dholbach> Maintainer: Jan Gerber<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:03] <dholbach> daniel@lovegood:~$
[09:03] <dholbach> siretart: ^^^
[09:03] <siretart> w000t :)
[09:04] <dholbach> thesaltydog: that's not what i said :) you solved the hardlink problem, didn't you?
[09:04] <dholbach> thesaltydog: some weeks ago
[09:04] <thesaltydog> dholbach, yes, it is working very nice.
[09:04] <dholbach> thesaltydog: then you could probably comment on the bug :)
[09:04] <thesaltydog> dholbach, let me have a look at that nautilus bug.
[09:05] <dholbach> thesaltydog: i think they just want to have an idea of where "to go" next
[09:10] <\sh> ok preparing 20050725er wine
[09:10] <\sh> 20050830 has bugs
[09:12] <dholbach> \sh: software always does
[09:12] <dholbach> :)
[09:14] <\sh> dholbach: but most of the time u won't see them happening ;)
[09:14] <dholbach> :)
[09:16] <siretart> breezy+1 == dapper?
[09:17] <siretart> how to translate that to german?
[09:17] <\sh> dholbach: u are the apt-cache specialist...whats the easiest way to check which package is in main, regarding apt-cache rdepends xterm ,-)
[09:17] <dholbach> adrett
[09:17] <siretart> ah. adretter erpel.. ic :)
[09:17] <\sh> siretart: breezy badger +1 == dapper drake == adretter erpel ;)
[09:17] <siretart> hehe
[09:18] <dholbach> apt-cache rdepends xterm | xargs apt-cache show | grep Directory | grep main             or something
[09:18] <dholbach> you might go via grep-dctrl too
[09:18] <dholbach> but i have no clue about it :)
[09:20] <thesaltydog> dholbach, I have added a comment to that bug. Thank you.
[09:21] <dholbach> super
[09:21] <dholbach> thank you
[09:32] <dcraven> haha.. pbuilder needs to apt-get half of ubuntu-desktop to build my package ;P
[09:33] <dcraven> Neato though.
[09:35] <dholbach> hehe :)
[09:35] <dholbach> but it will keep the packages
[09:35] <thesaltydog> dcraven, be sure to run an update of pbuilder each time you start using it.
[09:36] <bddebian> So, what's the best way for me to determine where a file resides to pass to configure in debian/rules?
[09:38] <dcraven> Oh crud. It's because I forgot to remove the gnome-common build dep like dholbach told me to :(
[09:38] <dcraven> <-- dummy
[09:38] <bddebian> Cmon' \sh / slomo, help me out here d00ds
[09:38] <thesaltydog> bddebian, an executable or a script?
[09:39] <bddebian> thesaltydog: I need to do something like: ./configure --with-lib=/usr/lib/tcl8.4 but I don't want to rely on it being tcl8.4
[09:39] <dcraven> thesaltydog: Thanks for the tip.
[09:39] <\sh> bddebian: I'm busy ... whats up
[09:40] <bddebian> \sh: Never mind.  You don't love me anymore. :'-(
[09:40] <dholbach> dcraven: take your time
[09:40] <siretart> hey bddebian!!
[09:40] <\sh> bddebian: hahaha...hey, I have special duties ;)
[09:40] <bddebian> Heya siretart
[09:40] <bddebian> \sh: :-)
[09:40] <\sh> secret missions etc.
[09:43] <\sh> bddebian: if u let me do my work, u will have at least later this day a new wine ;)
[09:43] <bddebian> wine or whine? ;-)
[09:43] <\sh> bddebian: choose ;)
[09:45] <\sh> Mithrandir: ping can you please " apt-get install  libicu28-dev libjack0.80.0-dev libcapi20-dev docbook-utils docbook-xsl fontforge" on ravel breezy chroot? thx :)
[09:47] <\sh> ah no risk no fun
[09:48] <\sh> uploading
[09:49] <\sh> for the releasenotes: if anybody is to blame that breezy is lame, then blame \sh ,-)
[09:50] <\sh> siretart: press the search button when u loaded a pdf document
[09:53] <siretart> blam
[09:54] <siretart> \sh: ok. thanks.. you are right..
[09:54] <\sh> siretart: i checked as well 3.01 from debian...same
[09:54] <siretart> \sh: backtrace seems to me like the crasher in ddd
[09:54] <\sh> apt-get install fluxbox
[09:55] <\sh> checking xterm bugs
[09:55] <siretart> \sh: this would mean bug in libXt :(
[09:55] <\sh> siretart: oh no
[09:55] <\sh> siretart: can u file it in bugzilla for daniels?
[09:55] <\sh> I have to get rid of some bugs in xterm
[09:56] <siretart> \sh: you mean this one: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14943
[09:57] <siretart> I'm not sure if they are related. at the first glance, the backtraces look similar
[09:57] <\sh> siretart: could be lesstif as well
[09:57] <\sh> siretart: xpdf uses lesstif
[09:58] <siretart> perhaps some abi change? lets rebuild lesstif
[09:58] <\sh> lesstif2 didn't work with it
[09:58] <\sh> siretart: can u take it? I'm really busy with xterm blaeh
[09:58] <bddebian> bmonty: ping?
[09:58] <siretart> \sh: I'm on it
[09:58] <siretart> ddd still crashes..
[09:59] <\sh> siretart: thx man
[09:59] <\sh> brb
[09:59] <bddebian> Didn't ace get uploaded?
[10:19] <siretart> \sh: you wont believe it, but rebuilding lesstif cured both xpdf and ddd for me[tm]
[10:19] <\sh> siretart: upload ;)
[10:19] <siretart> \sh: just a sek ;)
[10:20] <\sh> siretart: I will upload xpdf-3.01 then
[10:21] <bddebian> Anyone got a PPC handy?
[10:21] <siretart> \sh: it seems that dependending apps do not need to be rebuilt. whats the diff to 3.00?
[10:22] <siretart> bddebian: slomo, I think
[10:24] <\sh> siretart: a lot
[10:24] <siretart> a lot sounds like potential new bugs..
[10:26] <siretart> \sh: lesstif1-1_0.93.94-11.4ubuntu3_source.changes ACCEPTED
[10:26] <siretart> builds both lesstif1 and lesstif2
[10:27] <dholbach> how do we handle audiocd-burning from nautilus-cd-burner? is it possible at all?
[10:28] <Lathiat> dholbach: you use serpentine
[10:28] <Lathiat> dholbach: sound & video -> create audio cd
[10:28] <Lathiat> dholbach: or from rhythmbox
[10:28] <dholbach> so nautilus-cd-burner is not usable at all for audio cd burning?
[10:29] <dholbach> i'm looking at #13147 and #13168
[10:29] <dholbach> that's why i ask
[10:30] <Lathiat> no
[10:31] <dholbach> i meant #13168 and #14841 - sorry
[10:31] <Lathiat> well, 13147 isnt to do with audio cds
[10:31] <Lathiat> ah
[10:31] <Lathiat> oh i see
[10:31] <dholbach> :)
[10:31] <Lathiat> *copy* audio cds
[10:31] <Lathiat> thats different
[10:31] <Lathiat> that needs some attention
[10:32] <Lathiat> but would require promoting cdrdao to main
[10:32] <Lathiat> be nice if we could, tho
[10:33] <dholbach> i wonder how we get all that crack on one CD :)
[10:33] <dholbach> everything is in main these days ;)
[10:34] <Lathiat> not all of main is on the cd
[10:34] <dholbach> i know, but on the DVD :)
[10:34] <Lathiat> a
[10:34] <Lathiat> h
[10:34] <Lathiat> well
[10:34] <Lathiat> i suspect overtime
[10:34] <Lathiat> main will overgrow a dvd
[10:42] <dcraven> dholbach: At your leisure :) --> http://arker.homelinux.org/~dcraven/newton-0.0.9-stuff/
[10:42] <dholbach> excellent
[10:42] <dcraven> dholbach: I *think* I incorporated all of the changes you mentioned. And that is built with pbuilder.
[10:42] <dholbach> rock'n'roll!
[10:42] <dcraven> hehe
[10:43] <dholbach> try to nam the orig.tar.gz like this:    newton_0.0.9.orig.tar.gz
[10:44] <dcraven> Ahh..
[10:44] <chillywilly> w00t
[10:44] <dholbach> :)
[10:44] <dholbach> hey chillywilly
[10:44] <chillywilly> ello
[10:44] <dholbach> how's it going?
[10:45] <dholbach> happy bugday everybody! :)
[10:45] <dcraven> It's bugday?
[10:45] <dholbach> dcraven: after that you'll only need the .orig.tar.gz, the .diff.gz and .dsc
[10:45] <chillywilly> it's going
[10:45] <Lathiat> and to you to!
[10:45] <dholbach> yeah! :)
[10:45] <dholbach> #ubuntu-bugs has the party crowd :)
[10:46] <chillywilly> :-o
[10:46] <dcraven> dholbach: Okay. I'm doing that now. I'll let you know when it's done and give you that link again. I was wondering why I never gott the diff.gz
[10:46] <dholbach> dcraven: i did a million times wrong, before i got it right - don't worry :)
[10:46] <dcraven> Silly underscores :)
[10:47] <siretart> dholbach: we have in breezy multiverse an quite old version of acroread (which is probably affected by and security bug). I'm inclined to replace it with panthera's package: http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org/debian/pool/non-free/a/acroread/ - do you have any objections?
[10:48] <Lathiat> siretart: where did the current packages come from
[10:48] <dholbach> siretart: shall we bother have a look at it?
[10:48] <\sh> there it is...a new wine
[10:48] <siretart> Lathiat: the current is from marillat
[10:49] <\sh> Diziet had some legal issues with it
[10:49] <\sh> with acroread
[10:49] <Lathiat> ok, well if it works sounds good to me
[10:49] <siretart> dholbach: well, it is non-free and multiverse anyway..
[10:49] <Lathiat> \sh: oh?
[10:49] <\sh> there is some paragraph newly included it seems...
[10:49] <siretart> \sh: acroread is full of legal issues, thats the reason it is in multiverse.
[10:49] <siretart> \sh: you mean new in 7.0.1?
[10:50] <\sh> siretart: talk to diziet please :) he just mentioned it yesterday I think
[10:50] <dholbach> siretart: it's ok for me
[10:54] <dcraven> dholbach: Look better? --> http://arker.homelinux.org/~dcraven/newton-0.0.9-stuff/
[10:54] <dholbach> will look in a sec
[10:56] <siretart> \sh: I just debdiffed the package. I don't see changes to license
[10:57] <siretart> \sh: panthera basically took marillats package and did some polishing on it
[11:04] <dcraven> Bugday isn't for another like 7 hours for me :)
[11:04] <dholbach> dcraven: are you on hoary still?
[11:04] <cogumbreiro> lo all
[11:04] <dholbach> hey cogumbreiro :)
[11:04] <dcraven> dholbach: No. Breezy.
[11:04] <dholbach> dcraven:ok
[11:04] <cogumbreiro> dholbach: daniel?
[11:06] <dholbach> cogumbreiro: yeah :)
[11:07] <cogumbreiro> dholbach: i'm think i'm going to make the release now
[11:08] <dholbach> cogumbreiro: super... well done :)
[11:09] <dholbach> man, you're a hero - you worked on it non-stop it seems :)
[11:09] <siretart> \sh: was diziet objection against the new version or against acroread itself?
[11:09] <\sh> against acroread
[11:10] <siretart> ok
[11:10] <siretart> then it doesn't matter if I upload a new version
[11:10] <dholbach> against it in general, i think :)
[11:10] <siretart> ok. uploading :)
[11:10] <cogumbreiro> dholbach: i did :D specially because i know you guys are on a tight schedule to freeze packages (which already hapened)
[11:13] <dholbach> dcraven: sent it
[11:13] <dholbach> :)
[11:13] <dholbach> good to have you around, cogumbreiro
[11:14] <dholbach> i'm out for a dog walk, brb
[11:25] <tseng> slomo: no i dont maintain beagle in debian now
[11:29] <\sh> slomo: did anything changed regarding http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15043
[11:30] <siretart> \sh: is the xpdf boog fixed for you, too?
[11:31] <\sh> siretart: just compiling it..
[11:31] <siretart> okay
[11:31] <\sh> siretart: I'm just walking over my assigned bugzilla bugs ;)
[11:34] <Lathiat> siretart: new acroread
[11:34] <Lathiat> siretart: i assume i can close malone/2057 now
[11:35] <siretart> Lathiat: yes!
[11:37] <phlaegel> cogumbreiro: would it be possible to add the 21 minute length cds to the option list in serpentine?
[11:38] <cogumbreiro> phlaegel: it could, but i didn't knew they exited :)
[11:38] <phlaegel> heh
[11:38] <phlaegel> they're those little 180MB discs
[11:39] <cogumbreiro> yeah, sure i'll add that
[11:39] <phlaegel> thanks :-)
[11:42] <\sh> siretart: works
[11:42] <\sh> with new lesstiff
[11:42] <siretart> \sh: rock! another bug bites the dust ;)
[11:42] <siretart> \sh: can you close the malone bug then?
[11:42] <\sh> siretart: yeah...thx man :) uploading xpdf-3.01
[11:42] <\sh> siretart: sure :)
[11:42] <dholbach> :)
[11:43] <\sh> THIS TEAM ROCKS :)
[11:43] <dholbach> yeah :)
[11:43] <siretart> hehe :)
[11:43] <Burgundavia> is there a good guide someone for packaging python stuff
[11:43] <Burgundavia> ?
[11:44] <siretart> Burgundavia: depends. try looking at existing python packages
[11:44] <Burgundavia> ok
[11:45] <\sh> siretart: closed :)
[11:46] <dholbach> Burgundavia: you could talk to dcraven :)
[11:49] <Lathiat> hrm, anyone got any problems with syncing bochs from debian? minor version upgrade, fixes a bunch of bugs and some unmet build-dep stuff
[11:50] <dholbach> fine with me
[11:50] <dholbach> if it builds and works
[11:50] <dholbach> :)
[11:50] <Lathiat> yeh, testing that now
[11:51] <dholbach> what about those  items on REVU?
[11:51] <Lathiat> Y[]  makes no sense to me ;p
[11:57] <chillywilly> the black art of packaging
[11:58] <Lathiat> Burgundavia: heh
[11:58] <Lathiat> dholbach: yes thanks :)
[11:58] <tseng> dholbach: <3
[11:59] <dholbach> hey tseng :)
[11:59] <tseng> hi
[12:01] <dholbach> how are you?


[05:33] <tritium> ajmitch: do you happen to know who<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is?  I seem to have lost my admin password for ubuntu-us-nm mailing list...
[05:34] <ajmitch> nope, but there's an RT instance you can put a ticket in for sysadmin stuff
[05:34] <ajmitch> did you get an email about MOTU stuff?
[05:35] <tritium> I did, yes.
[05:35] <tritium> RT instance?  What do you mean?
[05:35] <tritium> Thanks, ajmitch :)
[05:35] <ajmitch> the 'canonical' way of complaining to sysadmins about lists, etc
[05:36] <ajmitch> I'll try & find the info about it
[05:36] <tritium> Thanks!
[05:36] <tritium> And I appreciate you wanting me to stick around :)
[05:36] <tritium> I don't recognize the name of the person that emailed me.
[05:36] <ajmitch> it would have been dholbach or gpocentek
[05:37] <ajmitch> motu council people
[05:37] <tritium> The later.
[05:37] <tritium> latter
[05:39] <ajmitch> I got told<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:39] <tritium> Thanks, ajmitch.
[05:40] <tritium> Does RT stand for real time?
[05:41] <ajmitch> request tracker
[05:41] <ajmitch> an ugly perl hack
[05:41] <tritium> Oh, heh ;)
[05:59] <tritium> ajmitch: I got a delivery notice
[06:00] <tritium> (failure notice)
[06:01] <tritium> I'll just email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>:)
[06:16] <ajmitch> good luck
[06:20] <tritium> Thanks
[12:46] <AndrewB> Is anybody about?
[12:50] <AndrewB> How should I do a report on an Ibook,  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/Apple_iBookG4_14in_1%2e33GHz  that stands but is out dated. Do I just add a new column. It would be Edgy stable I could test.
[01:24] <dade`> is there someone that uses ubuntu + macbook ?
[01:25] <AndrewB> dade`: sup?
[01:35] <dade`> AndrewB: sup what
[01:35] <AndrewB> Hello.
[01:35] <dade`> hello
[01:36] <dade`> what does it mean sup
[01:36] <AndrewB> dade`: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/Apple_Macintosh might help..
[01:36] <AndrewB> Short for whats up.
[01:36] <dade`> thx
[01:39] <dade`> hmm i'm using a slow connection
[02:04] <dade`> nothing useful
[02:11] <AndrewB> dade`: what is it your wanting?
[02:11] <dade`> i user ubuntu on the macbook time ago
[02:11] <dade`> the main problem was sleep
[02:11] <dade`> it worked if you disable the cdrom ata driver
[02:12] <dade`> so with sleep you could not use cdrom
[02:12] <dade`> and now i was wandering if the problem is gone
[07:33] <active> hi
[07:33] <active> any one help me daul boot ubuntu and xp on my laptop please
[11:37] <viktor> does anybody have amilo L1310g ?
[11:38] <Alpha_Cluster> has anyone gotten a laptop with an ATI chip extend onto another moniter?
[11:40] <pochu> does anybody want to buy an Acer Aspire 1642zwlmi for 500? :)


[23:15] <f3bruary> hi all. I just started using Budgie with Ubuntu. I'm not really into Plank so I removed it from autostart. I prefer to have my apps in the budgie panel. I found out that I needed to add the Icon Task List to the panel which I did. But I noticed that once you start an app from there, you can only minimize/restore when you click on it again. But is there no way to open a 2nd instance of that app inst
[23:15] <f3bruary> ead ?
[23:23] <bashfulrobot> f3bruary: Unfortunately not. This was removed upstream (budgie-desktop) due to buggy behaviour. I have not seen any indicator of a change in status. (Granted I could have missed it). Also, usually this room is pretty empty. May want to join us over at https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/ - this is where the community hangs out. 🙂


[13:52] <phillip> hi pascalc !
[13:52] <pascalc> hi phillip :)
[13:53] <pascalc> did you see the message I put yesterday in the channel?
[13:53] <phillip> pascalc: yes I'm may be able to help you
[13:53] <pascalc> \o/ :)
[13:53] <pascalc> thanks a lot, very appreciated
[13:54] <pascalc> let me see if one of our main German localizers is online, this way I can invite him in this channel and we can talk together
[13:56] <phillip> pascalc: so currently everything is done? https://localize.mozilla.org/de/
[13:56] <pascalc> on this part yes, but Coce our main web l10n person is almost alone on all projects, he is struggling
[13:57] <pascalc> and with mozilla growing (firefox OS, new services and products, more activity this year on Firefox desktop...) the German team is just too small to do everything now
[13:58] <pascalc> and here he is :)
[13:58] <phillip> pascalc: yeah, thats not only the problem in your team :)
[13:58] <Coce> Hi
[13:58] <phillip> hi
[13:58] <pascalc> I know (ubuntu user myself, I am French and we collaborate often with the French Ubuntu loco team :) )
[14:00] <Coce> phillip: Hi, I understand that you might want to help us on the Mozilla translation stuff? :-)
[14:00] <phillip> yeah
[14:02] <Coce> Are you interested more in translating products (Firefox, Firefox Mobile, Firefox OS Thunderbird, …) or the websites?
[14:02] <Coce> We need help with both ;-)
[14:03] <phillip> well I would be open for both
[14:05] <Coce> Ok, I’ll just talk a bit about translating the websites, it’s the only part I can talk about
[14:06] <pascalc> it's a good start (especially since we have Firefox 37 coming and there is a couple of pages needed for this release ;) )
[14:08] <Coce> Websites include a lot of things ;-) such as the add-ons page <https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/>, the support page <https://support.mozilla.org/de/> (articles are handled seperately) and various other pages such as <https://www.mozilla.org/firefox/>
[14:09] <phillip> okey you use https://localize.mozilla.org/ for this?
[14:09] <Coce> This <https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~flod/webstatus/?locale=de> is something of a summary of all the pages we care for
[14:10] <Coce> Yes, partly. We use localize.mozilla.org for everything that is listed there, other pages (basically everything else on mozilla.org not included there) is done on a one file per page basis
[14:10] <Coce> Example: This file: <http://viewvc.svn.mozilla.org/vc/projects/mozilla.com/trunk/locales/de/firefox/dnt.lang?revision=137798&view=markup> becomes this page <https://www-dev.allizom.org/de/firefox/dnt/>
[14:11] <Coce> And this <http://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~pascalc/langchecker/?locale=de> is the tracking tool for what is missing. We left some tasks in hoping that people might join in ;-)
[14:12] <Coce> And <http://l10n.mozilla-community.org/webdashboard/?locale=de> is the overview over everything, combining both single files and localize.mozilla.org
[14:13] <Coce> So what’s happening is we keep an eye on these pages and/or on the SVN directories and when new strings show up, we try to get it done as soon as possible
[14:13] <phillip> uhh okey
[14:13] <phillip> so much links
[14:13] <pascalc> information overflow :)
[14:13] <Coce> Sorry
[14:14] <pascalc> Mozilla is a big project, I think it's better to focus on one piece of the l10n landscape at a time :)
[14:14] <Coce> There probably would be even more if I could talk about products, too ;-)
[14:15] <phillip> hehe
[14:15] <pascalc> if you need any explanation, don't hesitate to ask me, been in the project for 14 years, lots of stories I can share :)
[14:15] <Coce> A smaller example for a current task would be <https://svn.mozilla.org/projects/l10n-misc/trunk/snippets/de/apr2015.lang>, which is short strings that show on the Firefox start page (about:home), if you are a Firefox user
[14:17] <Coce> It’s also so much at once because we are fairly unorganised when it comes to finding new translators. We’ve never done it before and there is no actual process for that
[14:17] <phillip> okey so let me first read your guidelines :)
[14:18] <phillip> And for ubuntu we do everything via launchpad so much easier
[14:19] <Coce> I think that’s what I meant when I said „no actual process“. ;-) There are no guidelines in the sense of „that’s how we do it“. It’s more like „we’ve been doing it like that for a while and it seems to be working“
[14:19] <pascalc> I can give you contexts/explanations on why we don't do it in a single place :)
[14:19] <Coce> Launchpad is also bug tracking, isn’t it?
[14:20] <phillip> right and code hosting
[14:20] <Coce> Ah, I look at it once in a while when I face problems with Ubuntu ;-)
[14:21] <Coce> For some projects, Bugzilla is in use to coordinate translations and reviews, but mostly for longer projects. The products l10n part is usually on Bugzilla
[14:21] <phillip> Coce: do you have something like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGermanTranslators/Standard%C3%BCbersetzungen ?
[14:23] <Coce> Hold on, let me check. I think there are some guidelines for translating in general, but there is no dictionary-style overview
[14:23] <pascalc> I don't speak German, but I think this page is a guidelines documentation and a glossary right?
[14:23] <phillip> yeah
[14:23] <pascalc> for consistency of translations, we have a tool that extracts all translations for products and mozilla.org every 6 hours and that you can query like a search engine
[14:24] <pascalc> example: http://transvision.mozfr.org/?recherche=bookmark&repo=aurora&sourcelocale=en-US&locale=fr&search_type=strings
[14:24] <pascalc> better in German :) http://transvision.mozfr.org/?recherche=bookmark&repo=aurora&sourcelocale=en-US&locale=de&search_type=strings
[14:25] <phillip> okey
[14:25] <pascalc> AFAIK, the initial styleguide used by the German product l10n team was the OpenOffice guidelines that Sun provided us
[14:26] <Coce> Ok, <https://support.mozilla.org/de/kb/how-translate-sumo-kb-articles-german> is SUMO-specific in some parts, but also contains information on general writing style
[14:26] <phillip> So if I want to translated https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~pascalc/langchecker/?locale=de#firefox/whatsnew-fx37.lang now I must download the file translated it and then upload it back to bugzilla where someone reviews it?
 was created a „long“ ago for translating extensions and also contains some information about how to write
[14:27] <Coce> Hi Archaeopteryx. (He is the product localizer)
[14:28] <pascalc> phillip, that would be a possible process for new localizers, for people that stay, we give them accounts and they can send the file directly on the server for the website
[14:28] <Archaeopteryx> hi
[14:29] <Coce> As we are only two people right now, often we just send the file to each other on IRC, but for more people Bugzilla would probably work nicely for reviewing
[14:30] <Coce> There is a Bugzilla component specifically for German translations, which we use
[14:30] <pascalc> The French team is bigger and we tend to use an etherpad, translate together into it and use the chat to discuss the translations, we rarely use bugzilla itself for review but I think it is because culturally we like to chat live ;)
[14:32] <phillip> oO I thought our translations process is not so structured :)
[14:33] <Coce> I think when compared to us everything is structured ;-)
[14:34] <Archaeopteryx> we are structured: requires svn access -> you; requires hg access -> I
[14:34] <pascalc> note though that we do ship mozilla.org on 80 locales + multiple products and other websites while ubuntu.com is still English only ;)
[14:35] <phillip> yeah right
[14:37] <phillip> now #demeeting is the right irc channel?
[14:37] <Coce> #demeeting is usually used for the now bi-weekly meeting on Thursday evenings (not tomorrow but the weak after)
[14:38] <Coce> I’m usually in #firefox.de, #thunderbird.de and #mozilla.de
[14:38] <Coce> But I can go to #demeeting as well
[14:41] <Coce> I hope I could give at least an idea of what we are doing and how we are doing it. The main part of the work is done by only one person for products and websites each, which is why any help is welcome ;-)
[14:41] <phillip> Coce: okey, so will try to help you if I have time :)
[14:41] <Coce> Sounds great, thanks. :-)
[14:42] <Coce> Would you like to take on any of the files listed above?
[14:42] <pascalc> How about assigning Firefox 37 whatsnew page to phillip? it will just be viewed by several million german speakers in 3 weeks from now, no pressure ;)
[14:42] <pascalc> it's an easy one though, and short
[14:42] <phillip> Coce: yeah will do both
[14:42] <Coce> :-)
[14:44] <Coce> If you’ve been doing Ubuntu translations, I don’t think there will be any problems for you. ;-)
[14:44] <Archaeopteryx> pascalc: two weeks https://wiki.mozilla.org/RapidRelease/Calendar
[14:44] <pascalc> even more pressure ;)
[14:45] <phillip> Coce: yeah let's see
[14:46] <Coce> Did you use Bugzilla before?
[14:50]  * Coce meets to leave in about 5 minuts to catch the bus
[14:50] <phillip> nope, people always told me bugzilla is ugly and old and I should not use it :)
[14:51] <Coce> Ok, if you want to circumvent Bugzilla, we can try to find a way for that ;-)
[14:51] <phillip> Coce: so where should I contact you if I have a question or something?
[14:52] <phillip> Coce: no, I can try it
[14:53] <Coce> I hang around at #firefox.de, #thunderbird.de and #mozilla.de on irc.mozilla.org (usually in the evening). I’m also reachable by e-mail, the address is here <https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Teams:de> (second from above)
[14:54] <Coce> Makes me wonder why we didn’t combine real and nicknames on that page …
[14:55] <pascalc> phillip, if you want we can work together now on the whatsnew page and I explain you all the process while Coce is away, Coce can do the review of the translation later when he is online. Coce is it ok for you if I commit the draft of the translation on svn so as that phillip can see the whole process (provide a translation, put on the server, see the page localized on the demo site)
[14:55] <Coce> Sure
[14:56] <phillip> So I just started with https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~pascalc/langchecker/?locale=de#snippets now :)
[14:56] <pascalc> cool, I tend to think that concrete steps are better to understand a process than a long explanation :)
[14:56] <Coce> Thanks for your help, gotta run ;-)
[14:56] <pascalc> ok :)
[14:57] <Coce> Bye
[14:57] <pascalc> I will be online unti 17:30, then I will also have to run and will connect later, like 21h
[14:57] <Coce> I can be back at around 20:00
[14:58] <pascalc> phillip, I propose that for snippets, we use the bugzilla process for review and for the mozilla.org page, we commit it directly on the svn server
[14:59] <pascalc> this way you will see how bugzilla works, how the web dashboard works and how the demo server picks your translation
[14:59] <phillip> ok
[14:59] <pascalc> which I think is already a lot of information for a start :)
[15:00] <pascalc> just ping me when you have a file ready
[15:21] <phillip> pascalc: what is the best way to check if I'm in the char limit?
[15:21] <phillip> check with wc?
[15:22] <pascalc> most text editors give you the number of characters in the status bar
[15:23] <pascalc> I think I had put an online length checker on one of my sites, let me check if it is still there
[15:24] <pascalc> yeah
[15:24] <pascalc> https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~pascalc/ballot/
[15:24] <pascalc> it was for an old project for which we had to translate a tweet :)
[15:24] <phillip> ahh okey thanks
[15:25] <pascalc> otherwise in Gedit for example, it is indicated in the status bar on the right, the number of columns
[15:26] <phillip> ahh yes thanks
[15:30] <phillip> pascalc: is <a> counted? because the english string is 182 chars long and the limit is 180?
[15:30] <pascalc> no it is not counted
[15:30] <pascalc> AFAIK :)
[15:31] <phillip> arr
[15:40] <pascalc> jsut saw your bug, so far so good about the process :)
[15:40] <pascalc> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1144704
[15:41] <pascalc> what you need to do now is to ask Coce a review, for that you have to click on the "details" link that is next to the file attached
[15:41] <pascalc> it gets you to a page with your file and a 'review' flag at the bottom
[15:42] <pascalc> you need to put the review flag to the value: ?
[15:42] <pascalc> and put Coce's email in the field
[15:43] <pascalc> if you type coce, it will autocomplete (his name is Michael Köhler, should be firtst in the list)
[15:43] <pascalc> then you click "submit"
[15:45] <phillip> done?
[15:45] <pascalc> yep :)
[15:45] <pascalc> when Coce does the review, you will get an email with his feedback
[15:45] <pascalc> congrats on your first bug filed on the Mozilla project btw :)
[15:48] <pascalc> you can see on this other bug what review comments looks like, this one was filed by a new French contributor this week https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1144278
[15:49] <pascalc> (lots of comments from 2 reviewers because actually the translation was not so good ;)
[15:52] <phillip> :)
[15:58] <phillip> pascalc: must go now, thanks a lot for the help!
[15:58] <pascalc> you're welcome, thanks to you for helping!
[15:59] <pascalc> I will be connected this evening if you want to talk :)
[16:02] <phillip> okey bye
[16:02] <pascalc> bye
[18:39] <Coce> phillip: Danke für’s Übersetzen, ich muss mich grade noch um eine andere Übersetzung kümmern, dann schaue ich mir die Datei an ;-)
[19:52] <phillip> Coce: kein Problem beim letzten musste ich auf Grund des Limites sehr kürzen, vielleicht findest du da eine bessere Überstzung
[19:53] <phillip> mache morgen die andere die da noch Fehlte :)
[19:54] <Coce> Passt, keine Hektik ;-)
[19:54] <phillip> Coce: wie habt ihr uns hier eigentlich gefunden?
[19:55] <Coce> Das war die Idee von Pascal. Der ist einer der Leiter für Übersetzung bei Mozilla und hat uns angeboten, mehr Übersetzer zu finden. Einer seiner Ansatzpunkte war, im Open-Source-Bereich rumzufragen, ob dort jemand Interesse hat
[19:56] <Coce> Ich hoffe, wir werben dich nicht ab ;-)
[19:56] <phillip> nö nö, rath hat ja auch schon das gleiche getan :)
[19:58] <Coce> Bei euch ist Personalknappheit kein Thema?
[19:59] <phillip> doch klar, es ist immer ein kommen und gehen
[20:00] <Coce> Bei uns ist es bei den Übersetzern, zumindest bei den Webseiten, nichts davon.  Ein paar andere helfen beim Korrekturlesen
[20:07] <phillip> jor gut
[20:08] <Coce> Soviel ich weiß ist besagter Übersetzer auch zuständig für Firefox Mobile, Firefox OS und Thunderbird (hier mindestens Korrekturen) und bei den Webseiten hilft er mir auch noch ;-)
[20:08] <phillip> :)
[20:11] <Coce> Deswegen sage ich, bei uns herrscht Personalmangel.  Ich warte momentan auf das Feedback zur Hausarbeit. ;-)
[20:12] <Coce> Kein Stress und danke nochmal für’s Helfen
[20:13] <phillip> Danke fürs Review!
[20:14] <Coce> Kein Thema
[20:16] <Coce> Ich verzieh’ mich dann hier, danke nochmal und gute Nacht. Man liest sich.


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[09:11] <oSoMoN> ricotz, https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-beta.bionic/view/head:/debian/patches/fix-wayland-build.patch isn't documented in the changelog, and doesn't have metadata, can you confirm it's needed?
[09:16] <GunnarHj> Hi laney!
[09:16] <GunnarHj> I sent a mail to Seb the other day, but since he seems to be absent, I wonder if you can advise instead.
[09:16] <GunnarHj> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BTXqQTGDdw/
[09:16] <GunnarHj> The steps being taken to deal with obsolete GNOME extensions are not quite clear to me.
[09:17] <duflu> Happy PulseAudio 15
[09:17] <ricotz> oSoMoN, ah, I meant to do a test build without it again to see if it got fixed, this forward declaration was required in bionic only
[09:22] <oSoMoN> ricotz, can you do the test build and let me know if it's still needed? I'll hold off pushing the first RC build for bionic until then
[09:58] <ricotz> oSoMoN, done and will appear shortly
[09:59] <oSoMoN> thanks!
[10:00] <ricotz> oSoMoN, https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/firefox-next/+sourcepub/12598548/+listing-archive-extra
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[11:26] <ricotz> oSoMoN, still fails
[11:31] <oSoMoN> ricotz, ack, let's keep the patch then
[11:32] <oSoMoN> I'll add metadata when merging
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