[16:02] <adam_g> o/
[16:02] <smoser> o/
[16:02] <rbasak> #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team
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[16:04] <zul> hilo
[16:04] <rbasak> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:04] <rbasak> * everyone spend extra time triaging bugs this week
[16:04] <rbasak> I hope everyone's been busy. I'll drop this from the agenda for next week unless anyone disagrees?
[16:04] <rbasak> #topic Saucy Development
[16:05] <rbasak> Release Tracking Bug Tasks - http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-s-tracking-bug-tasks.html#server
[16:06] <rbasak> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/horizon/+bug/1221906
[16:06] <adam_g> thats fixed
[16:06] <adam_g> ill update
[16:06] <rbasak> Thanks!
[16:06] <rbasak> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1208455
[16:07] <rbasak> Is smb working on this? I don't see any other relevant person.
[16:07] <rbasak> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ceph/+bug/1213915
[16:07] <rbasak> Any volunteers to deal with demoting these packages?
[16:07] <rbasak> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/1206872
[16:08] <rbasak> doko: is there any further action needed here?
[16:08] <rbasak> https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1156932
[16:08] <doko> rbasak, ?
[16:09] <rbasak> doko: in bug 1206872 - it's marked Incomplete now
[16:09] <rbasak> Any volunteers for https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1156932 ?
[16:09] <rbasak> zul: how's https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nova/+bug/1199791 going?
[16:09] <zul> still not fixed
[16:10] <doko> rbasak, let's wait until the buildds pick it up
[16:10] <doko> rbasak, any news about mysql-5.5?
[16:11] <rbasak> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nagios-plugins/+bug/1031680 is still here. I've been treating it as low priority for Saucy - it's non-trivial. Though it affects Ubuntu only, upstream don't have a fix either.
[16:11] <rbasak> (though there is a workaround avialable)
[16:11] <rbasak> Can we drop this from tracking in Saucy maybe?
[16:11] <rbasak> doko: I noticed you commented on bug 1162139 earlier. I had thought "pending" meant that Clint would upload to Debian soon.
[16:12] <rbasak> I'll take a look again.
[16:12]  * rbasak assigns himself
[16:12] <doko> rbasak, just asking because gcc-4.4 ftbfs now, and I don't have any interest to fix that
[16:13] <doko> thanks
[16:13] <doko> which meeting am I hijacking here?
[16:13] <rbasak> doko: server team. You're in the right place for that bug :)
[16:14] <doko> ohh, good =)
[16:14] <doko> and maybe watch http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20130917-saucy.html ... just started today
[16:15] <rbasak> I'll assign smb to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1208455 and see if he objects
[16:17] <rbasak> smoser: can you assign people to bug 1206872 and bug 1156932 please?
[16:17] <smoser> rbasak, i'll look at them.
[16:17] <rbasak> Thanks!
[16:18] <smoser> #action smoser look at / assign bug 1206872 and bug 1156932
[16:18] <meetingology> ACTION: smoser look at / assign bug 1206872 and bug 1156932
[16:18] <rbasak> I'll drop the saucy target for bug 1031680
[16:19] <rbasak> smoser: also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ceph/+bug/1213915
[16:19] <rbasak> I think that's what I meant before actually, sorry.
[16:20] <rbasak> #topic Blueprints - http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/group/topic-s-servercloud-overview.html
[16:20] <rbasak> smoser: what would you like to me to do with the blueprints?
[16:21] <smoser> just a reminder...
[16:21] <smoser> please keep blueprints up to date.
[16:21] <smoser> i'm looking at you, smoser.
[16:21] <rbasak> :)
[16:21] <smoser> we can go one.
[16:21] <rbasak> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:21] <smoser> s/one/on/
[16:21] <rbasak> Anything coming up?
[16:22] <rbasak> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (psivaa)
[16:22] <rbasak> psivaa: hello!
[16:22] <psivaa> Nothing much, except bug #1207675 is imapacting lxc smoke tests,
[16:22] <psivaa> hallyn was an MP to possibly fix, not sure if that MP has landed
[16:22] <psivaa> *expecting
[16:23] <psivaa> probably lxc 1.0-alpha
[16:23] <psivaa> that's all :)
[16:23] <rbasak> Thanks psivaa. hallyn doesn't appear to be around, so I'll move on.
[16:23] <psivaa> sure
[16:23] <rbasak> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)
[16:24] <rbasak> smb is also not around.
[16:24] <rbasak> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (rbasak)
[16:24] <rbasak> I have no updates. Any questions for me?
[16:24] <rbasak> Oh, one note: I'm waiting on an FFe: bug 1194632
[16:24] <rbasak> It'd be nice to see KVM working well on ARM in Saucy
[16:25] <rbasak> We'll see if it happens.
[16:25] <rbasak> (as we have a patch for kvm-ok)
[16:25] <rbasak> #topic Open Discussion
[16:25] <rbasak> Anything from the floor?
[16:26] <rbasak> #topic Announce next meeting date, time and chair
[16:26] <rbasak> roaksoax: you're at the front of the rota now. Will you be able to chair next week, or else how should I rearrange the list?
[16:27] <roaksoax> rbasak: works for me, thanks
[16:27] <rbasak> The next meeting will be Tue, 24 Sep 2013 16:00 +0000. The chair will be roaksoax. Thanks!
[16:28] <rbasak> #endmeeting
[16:28] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Sep 17 16:28:08 2013 UTC.
[16:28] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-09-17-16.02.moin.txt
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[16:34] <arosales> rbasak, thanks for chairing
[16:35] <rbasak> np
[16:59] <jsalisbury> #startmeeting
[16:59] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Sep 17 16:59:55 2013 UTC.  The chair is jsalisbury. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:59] <jsalisbury> ##
[16:59] <jsalisbury> ## This is the Ubuntu Kernel Team weekly status meeting.
[16:59] <jsalisbury> ##
[16:59] <jsalisbury> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[16:59] <jsalisbury> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Saucy
[16:59] <jsalisbury> # Meeting Etiquette
[16:59] <jsalisbury> #
[16:59] <jsalisbury> # NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input.
[17:00] <cking> o/
[17:00] <ppisati> o/
[17:00] <arges> o/
[17:00] <bjf> o/
[17:00] <ogasawara> o/
[17:00] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] ARM Status (ppisati)
[17:01] <ppisati> A fix for omap4's wifi landed in S/master-next, together with another
[17:01] <ppisati> revision of the dtb concatenation patch for flash-kernel (still waiting
[17:01] <ppisati> for maintainer's review on this one).
[17:01] <ppisati> Work on supporting the TI AM35XX soc (Beaglebone&c) for the S multiplatform
[17:01] <ppisati> kernel has started.
[17:01] <ppisati> ..
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury)
[17:01] <jsalisbury> Release metrics and incoming bug data can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kt-meeting.txt
[17:01] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Milestone Targeted Work Items (ogasawara)
[17:01] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-distro-team/+upcomingwork
[17:01] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/canonical-kernel-distro-team.html
[17:01] <ogasawara> || apw       || foundations-1305-arm64-bringup     || 2 work items ||
[17:01] <ogasawara> || cking     || foundations-1308-power-measurement || 1 work item  ||
[17:01] <ogasawara> || ogasawara || foundations-1308-kernel            || 1 work item  ||
[17:01] <ogasawara> || ppisati   || foundations-1305-kernel            || 1 work item  ||
[17:01] <ogasawara> || smb       || servercloud-s-virtstack            || 1 work item  ||
[17:01] <ogasawara> ||           || servercloud-s-openstack-hypervisor || 1 work item  ||
[17:01] <ogasawara> ..
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Saucy Development Kernel (ogasawara)
[17:02] <ogasawara> We have just rebased to the first v3.11.1 upstream stable kernel and
[17:02] <ogasawara> uploaded.  We will continue to track the upstream stable v3.11.x
[17:02] <ogasawara> releases as we move forward.  I would like to point out that we are
[17:02] <ogasawara> ~2weeks away from Kernel Freeze on Thurs Oct 3.  Any patches submitted
[17:02] <ogasawara> after Kernel Freeze are subject to our SRU policy.  I'll send an email
[17:02] <ogasawara> reminder to the Ubuntu Kernel Team mailing list regarding the upcoming
[17:02] <ogasawara> freeze as well.
[17:02] <ogasawara> -----
[17:02] <ogasawara> Important upcoming dates:
[17:02] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseSchedule
[17:02] <ogasawara> Thurs Sep 19 - Final Beta Freeze (~2 days away)
[17:02] <ogasawara> Thurs Sep 26 - Final Beta (~1 week away)
[17:02] <ogasawara> Thurs Oct 03 - Kernel Freeze (~2 weeks away)
[17:02] <ogasawara> Thurs Oct 10 - Final Freeze (~3 weeks away)
[17:02] <ogasawara> Thurs Oct 17 - 13.10 Release (~4 weeks away)
[17:02] <ogasawara> ..
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: CVE's
[17:03] <jsalisbury> == 2013-09-17 ==
[17:03] <jsalisbury> The current CVE status can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:03] <jsalisbury> http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/ALL-linux.html
[17:03] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Raring/Quantal/Precise/Lucid (bjf/henrix/sconklin)
[17:03] <bjf> Status for the main kernels, until today (Sept. 17):
[17:03] <bjf>   *   Lucid - Verification & Testing
[17:03] <bjf>   * Precise - Verification & Testing
[17:03] <bjf>   * Quantal - Verification & Testing
[17:03] <bjf>   * Raring  - Verification & Testing
[17:03] <bjf> Current opened tracking bugs details:
[17:03] <bjf>   * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kernel-sru-workflow.html
[17:03] <bjf> For SRUs, SRU report is a good source of information:
[17:03] <bjf>   * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/sru-report.html
[17:03] <bjf> ..
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:03] <jsalisbury> Thanks everyone
[17:03] <jsalisbury> #endmeeting
[17:03] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Sep 17 17:04:01 2013 UTC.
[17:03] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-09-17-16.59.moin.txt
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[17:04] <cking> thanks jsalisbury
[17:04] <apw> jsalisbury, see ya
[18:53] <mapreri> can someone take care to update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards putting the day of the today meeting (instead of the one occurred on 08/21)?
[20:00] <costales> Hi! :)
[20:02] <costales> Hi SergioMeneses
[20:04] <SergioMeneses> costales, czajkowski PabloRubianes \o
[20:04] <PabloRubianes> hi SergioMeneses
[20:05] <costales> o/
[20:05] <czajkowski> aloha
[20:05] <costales> hi czajkowski PabloRubianes SergioMeneses
[20:11] <czajkowski> #startmeeting
[20:11] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Sep 17 20:11:17 2013 UTC.  The chair is czajkowski. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[20:11] <czajkowski> aloha
[20:11] <czajkowski> and welcome to this months LoCo Council meeting
[20:11] <czajkowski> #chair costales PabloRubianes SergioMeneses czajkowski
[20:11] <meetingology> Current chairs: PabloRubianes SergioMeneses costales czajkowski
[20:11] <costales> Hi! \o/
[20:12] <czajkowski> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda
[20:12] <czajkowski> First team up tonight for reverfication is the Danish LoCo
[20:12] <PabloRubianes> #subtopic Ubuntu Danmark Local Community
[20:12] <czajkowski> #topic Danish LoCo re verification
[20:12] <PabloRubianes> sorry czajkowski
[20:13] <czajkowski> anyone here from the Danish LoCo
[20:13] <czajkowski> PabloRubianes: np :)
[20:13] <Zilvador> Yes o/
[20:13] <sbc> o/
[20:13] <nicky441> Yes
[20:13] <czajkowski> welcome
[20:13] <PabloRubianes> welcome!
[20:13] <AJenbo> o/
[20:13] <SergioMeneses> greetings ubuntu danmark!
[20:13] <Zilvador> Thank you
[20:13] <costales> welcome!
[20:13] <czajkowski> #link  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-dk/ReApprovalApplication2013
[20:13] <czajkowski> So how are things
[20:13] <costales> and good luck!
[20:14] <Zilvador> Things are going relatively good.
[20:14] <Zilvador> Admittedly we have not had as many events as we would like to recently.
[20:15] <czajkowski> Zilvador: it comes in waves :)
[20:16] <czajkowski> Zilvador: how does your team get people involved in running evets?
[20:16] <Zilvador> This is a consecuence of a decrease of partifcipation. For this reason we are currently reorganising and plan to make up a new strategy to attract more users...old as well as new ones
[20:16] <SergioMeneses> Zilvador,  that sounds great! and what do you have in mind?
[20:16] <Zilvador> Our greatest tool, so to speak, is our very active forum.
[20:16] <czajkowski> nods
[20:17] <Zilvador> Here we connect to a very large number of users and help them to solve general Ubuntu issues as well as discuss relevant topics.
[20:17] <Zilvador> Additionally we have mailing lists and irc channels which are used on daily or weekly basis, depending on need and participation
[20:17] <SergioMeneses> Zilvador, good one
[20:17] <costales> I saw a lot of installfest in the reports https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-dk/TeamReports :) Do you have some pictures?
[20:18] <PabloRubianes> Zilvador: nice, you have meetups?, not events but like get together to have pizza?
[20:18] <czajkowski> #link http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-dk/events/history/
[20:18] <czajkowski> amazing amount of events
[20:18] <czajkowski> well done folks
[20:18] <Zilvador> SergioMeneses: First of all we are planning to reach out to users both through our forum (as said, we have many users), but also through our Facebook page, seeing as how it is a very important tool for communication today
[20:19] <Zilvador> costales: I asked the organizers just the other day. Unfortunately they have not made pictures, though we have asked them to :)
[20:19] <SergioMeneses> social media is always a good tool :)
[20:19] <costales> Zilvador, OK :) Don't worry
[20:20] <costales> What happened with the Ubuntu Cafe in 2012? It they didn't work? :)
[20:20] <Zilvador> PabloRubianes: The current community is very spread out. Weekly meeting happen it two cities in Denmark and we hope to reinitiate meeting previously held with success in another city.
[20:20] <PabloRubianes> Zilvador: where's any issue you would like to share with the council to see if we can help you?
[20:21] <PabloRubianes> Zilvador: good :)
[20:22] <Zilvador> PabloRubianes: We would greatly appreciate if the council could give advice or share experiences regarding catching peoples attention to the work and events of the local community
[20:22] <Zilvador> Our current problem is exactly that...we lack attention. We have experimented both with online commercials and posters previously, but so far we have not reached as far out as we hoped to.
[20:23] <PabloRubianes> Zilvador: that's the hardest part of the LoCo, I found really useful for my LoCo to have meetings every month even for just a coffee
[20:23] <PabloRubianes> and use google hangouts
[20:24] <Zilvador> Google hangouts might be a good idea. We will take this into consideration
[20:24] <PabloRubianes> Zilvador: the Brazilian team does Q+A session on hangouts on Air and for them are really useful
[20:25] <PabloRubianes> Zilvador: irc is not as fun as hangouts :P
[20:25] <Zilvador> Also, informal meetings were initially a few friends just meet up to hopefully receive more potentials have been considered. These are among our plans for motivating future events and meetings.
[20:25] <PabloRubianes> i don't know if SergioMeneses or costales want to add anything else to this
[20:26] <Zilvador> PabloRubianes: We actually have a dedicated IRC channel for Q+A. An idea though might be to use this one for events as well or to turn it into a weekly hangout :)
[20:26] <costales> It's OK for me, ubuntu-dk did a great work :)
[20:26] <Zilvador> That could be a good idea
[20:26] <czajkowski> #voters costales PabloRubianes SergioMeneses czajkowski
[20:26] <meetingology> Current voters: PabloRubianes SergioMeneses costales czajkowski
[20:26] <costales> +1
[20:26] <czajkowski> #vote please vote on the reverification of the Danish LoCo
[20:26] <meetingology> Please vote on: please vote on the reverification of the Danish LoCo
[20:26] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[20:26] <czajkowski> +1 well done great work
[20:26] <meetingology> +1 well done great work received from czajkowski
[20:26] <costales> +1
[20:26] <meetingology> +1 received from costales
[20:26] <czajkowski> PabloRubianes: SergioMeneses
[20:26] <PabloRubianes> +1 nice work and good luck in the new plans
[20:26] <meetingology> +1 nice work and good luck in the new plans received from PabloRubianes
[20:27] <SergioMeneses> +1
[20:27] <meetingology> +1 received from SergioMeneses
[20:28] <czajkowski> #endvote
[20:28] <meetingology> Voting ended on: please vote on the reverification of the Danish LoCo
[20:28] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[20:28] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:28] <czajkowski> well done folks
[20:28]  * sbc cheers
[20:28] <costales> Congrats team and thanks! Keep the hard work! :)
[20:28] <Christian_Arvai> thx
[20:28] <Zilvador> Thank you very much! :)
[20:28] <czajkowski> PabloRubianes: SergioMeneses costales which one of you wnat to add them to https://launchpad.net/~locoteams-verified
[20:28] <AJenbo> !
[20:28] <nicky441> We will indeed :) And thanks
[20:28] <Zilvador> We have actually one more thing to ask. If possible, we would appreciate it if we could receive more cd's with Ubuntu 12.04 LTS for handing out
[20:29] <PabloRubianes> czajkowski: o/
[20:29] <costales> czajkowski, I can :)
[20:29] <czajkowski> PabloRubianes: ok you do this one :)
[20:29] <czajkowski> costales: you're next
[20:29] <costales> ok ;)
[20:29] <czajkowski> #topic Arizona LoCo Re verification
[20:29] <czajkowski> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArizonaTeam/ApprovalApplicationrenewal2013
[20:30] <czajkowski> anyone here from Arizona ?
[20:31] <costales> ping ubuntu-arizona :)
[20:33] <czajkowski> toddc: aloha
[20:33] <toddc> HI we were trying to get on the schedule for next month
[20:33] <costales> Hi toddc :) Good luck!
[20:34] <czajkowski> toddc: do you want to wait till then ?
[20:34] <czajkowski> we're free now if you want to chat
[20:34] <toddc> I am here and free but but do have othe members availible  ATM
[20:34] <toddc> I can answer most questions
[20:35] <czajkowski> toddc: sure :)
[20:35] <costales> toddc, You have a lot of events! awesome!
[20:35] <czajkowski> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArizonaTeam/ApprovalApplicationrenewal2013
[20:35] <czajkowski> Firstly let me say what an amazing application
[20:35] <toddc> we have had a lot of growth over the last year--thank you
[20:35] <czajkowski> it's lovely to see how active you guys are
[20:35] <PabloRubianes> yes
[20:35] <czajkowski> toddc: how has that come about ?
[20:35] <PabloRubianes> really impressive!
[20:35] <costales> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-arizona/events/history/
[20:36] <toddc> we have a lot of luck working with other groups and schools
[20:36] <czajkowski> #link http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-arizona/events/history/
[20:36] <czajkowski> you've had 46 events this year so far! OMG!
[20:37] <czajkowski> toddc: can you tell us a little about that ?
[20:37] <toddc> started with a monly installfest with another group and it has had a steady growth with more and more interest
[20:38] <costales> toddc, Are the installfest working well? Because you are doing a lot of them! :O Is there still someone without Ubuntu in Arizona? :P :D
[20:38] <toddc> we have expanded the installfests to include home servers and router mods --almost anything linux
[20:39] <costales> ;)
[20:39] <costales> good idea
[20:39] <toddc> the installfests have been a great place to work on projects with a good support system
[20:39] <PabloRubianes> nice way to work
[20:40] <toddc> streaming events is starting to expand our reach a bit also
[20:40] <czajkowski> oh good idea
[20:40] <costales> Do you have any issue? or things where the Council can help with?
[20:42] <toddc> not at the moment training new members and finding good guides to membership is our next focus
[20:42] <costales> great :)
[20:43] <czajkowski> great :)
[20:43] <czajkowski> toddc: any other comments?
[20:43] <toddc> none atm
[20:44] <czajkowski> #vote please vote on the re verfication of the Arizona Team
[20:44] <meetingology> Please vote on: please vote on the re verfication of the Arizona Team
[20:44] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[20:44] <czajkowski> +1 amazing work, love the installfests!
[20:44] <meetingology> +1 amazing work, love the installfests! received from czajkowski
[20:44] <costales> +1
[20:44] <meetingology> +1 received from costales
[20:44] <PabloRubianes> +1
[20:44] <meetingology> +1 received from PabloRubianes
[20:44] <PabloRubianes> keep working!
[20:44] <costales> You did an awesome work! Thanks ubuntu-arizona! :D
[20:45] <toddc> thank you all for the helping us stay active
[20:45] <czajkowski> #endvote
[20:45] <meetingology> Voting ended on: please vote on the re verfication of the Arizona Team
[20:45] <meetingology> Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[20:45] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:45] <czajkowski> excellent work folks
[20:45] <czajkowski> costales: please update the Arizona team info on https://launchpad.net/~locoteams-verified
[20:45] <costales> Added to https://launchpad.net/~locoteams-verified
[20:47] <czajkowski> yay
[20:47] <czajkowski> #endmeeting
[20:47] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Sep 17 20:47:37 2013 UTC.
[20:47] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-09-17-20.11.moin.txt
[20:47] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-09-17-20.11.html
[20:47] <czajkowski> thank you all for coming
[20:47] <PabloRubianes> thanks czajkowski
[20:48] <costales> Thanks czajkowski
[20:48] <PabloRubianes> toddc: have a sec to a PM?
[20:48] <costales> Best regards and thanks to both teams :)
[20:48] <toddc> yes


[07:20] <mitya57> sidi: In your PPAs, do whatever you want :) The widespread versioning scheme is [version from ubuntu]+ppaN (or something like [version from ubuntu]~14.10~ppaN for backports)
[07:21] <mitya57> sidi: --nmu is a Debian thing, you don't need it
[07:35] <Unit193> Howdy.
[07:36] <dholbach> good morning
[10:41] <sidi> mitya57, thanks for clarifying!
[11:40] <dholbach> iulian_, around?


[00:30] <prower> hello everyone :> i hate to ask a question that's probably been brought up many times but i haven't seen a clear answer online yet...since canonical is pulling financial support for kubuntu, what does that mean for the future of the project? is kde/qt even still going to be available in the repositories? :/
[00:42] <DaemonFC> prower: From what I've gathered, jridell hasn't been doing much for Kubuntu anyway since before 11.04 shipped
[00:42] <DaemonFC> between Canonical "borrowing" him for other projects and that car crash late last year, Kubuntu has had to push two releases without much involvement from him
[00:43] <DaemonFC> that's not a good thing, but on the flip side it shows that Canonical's involvement isn't essential for Kubuntu to continue (and it would be bad if it did need them to go on)
[00:45] <DaemonFC> as for if there will be any more LTS releases, I'm not sure, but Xubuntu has pushed LTS releases without and official help from Canonical beyond what Kubuntu will be getting from now on
[00:45] <DaemonFC> so it's likely that LTS releases will still happen
[00:45] <DaemonFC> 12.04 LTS will definitely still be an LTS
[00:46] <prower> DaemonFC: Hmm...not good news overall definitely, but hopefully you're right...there are a lot of great qt based projects out there, it'd be a shame for qt to become deprecated in ubuntu "proper"
[00:48] <DaemonFC> it's at least no worse off than Lubuntu and Xubuntu are, and they manage
[00:50] <prower> DaemonFC: that's a very good point as well, yes :> i haven't run lubuntu but the last xubuntu release i tried out was quite well done...i just prefer kde as an environment and qt as a development platform (that i'm learning the basics on :>)
[00:53] <DaemonFC> if any project is so tied to one or two people in particular that it can't function without them, you should probably ask if you want to use it anyway
[01:09] <mink> I want to install Kawai theme. I downloaded it from KDE-look.org. What do I do next? i tried moving folder to use/share/themes
[01:43] <dies_irae> ei
[01:43] <dies_irae> sound card not showing up in preferences
[01:43] <dies_irae> wussup with that?
[01:45] <dies_irae> anybody knows about this?
[01:46] <dies_irae> was working damn fine!
[01:47] <dies_irae> until I plugged the damn webcam
[01:55] <dies_irae> ei
[01:55] <dies_irae> anyone around?
[01:56] <dies_irae> I think i know what happened, kubuntu asked me something about permanently remove some audio devices and  i thought it woas the webcam so I said yes.
[01:56] <dies_irae> how to roll back this mistake?
[01:59] <dies_irae> 'Do you want KDE to permanently forget about these devices?'
[02:00] <DaemonFC> they should still be listed under the audio hardware setup tab
[02:36] <dies_irae> how to re-add the hardware?
[02:36] <dies_irae> I accidenaly clicked 'permanently remove devices'
[02:36] <dies_irae> bad choice
[02:42] <itgeo> hi, i created a file custom.menu how can i get the menu structure into my kmenu
[07:02] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[07:36] <Oxymoron> Is it true Canoncial are going to unplug Kubuntu?
[07:36] <Unit193> Oxymoron: No
[07:37] <Oxymoron> Unit193: Read about it in the news earlier.
[07:37] <Unit193> Not going to "unplug", just not funding it (just like how they aren't for L, X, and Edubuntu)
[07:38] <Oxymoron> Unit193: I would like Canoncial to ONLY develop Kubuntu. It is Ubuntu that sucks. ubuntu is the only one out for the public that they announce. I am pretty sure very much would like Kubuntu more.
[07:39] <Unit193> I won't comment on that, it's not on-topic either.
[07:40] <Unit193> Oxymoron: http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2012/02/07/how-kubuntu-did-not-change/
[07:43] <Oxymoron> Unit193: Ah thanks for the reading, was clear it up a little :)
[07:44] <Unit193> Yep
[07:45] <Oxymoron> Someday I hope Kubuntu is so stable and compatible with things like external devices, HDMI, new graphic cards, audio so I can throw away Windows for good.
[07:45] <Oxymoron> It is so close to being awesome.
[07:45] <Tm_T> Oxymoron: it has been stable and compatible for me for years (:
[07:46] <Oxymoron> Tm_T: Well yes sorry kind of stable. But for me I got several problems with graphics, audio not working at all (pulseaudio/alsa problems), HDMI not working at all. Then not able to find iphone, mediastreamers etc.
[07:48] <Oxymoron> Tm_T: For instance, my audio has manually need to be switched if I plug in headphones, USB speakers or HDMI audio. It should be switch automaticly IMO.
[07:49] <Tm_T> Oxymoron: YMWV
[07:49] <Oxymoron> Then I do not understand why not anyone repolish/redesign the Kickoff menu, it locks ridicolous and is very unefficent to browse between software launches. Lancelot and alternatives are not better.
[08:29] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[09:10] <zaxor> I need help updating Muon how do I go to the terminal and do it
[09:10] <zaxor> sudo apt-get install Muon
[09:18] <giantpune> hi, has anybody in here used a wiimote with kubuntu?  i am able to connect the wiimote and use it with multiple programs.  but i have some issue when i go to disconnect it.
[09:19] <zaxor> hi folks I need help resetting muon
[09:19] <giantpune> if i have used vmware and i disconnect a wiimote, my entire computer will freeze.  or if i have used a wiimote and disconnected it, and then start vmware, the computer will freeze
[09:20] <giantpune> it doesnt happen if i do either vmware or disconnecting a wiimote or if i restart the computer in between using them.  but if i try to do both in the same sitting, it will lockup the computer completely
[09:28] <zaxor> my muon keeps crashing can I get help on this please
[09:29] <zaxor> my muon keeps crashing can I get help on this please
[09:30] <zaxor> my muon keeps crashing can I get help on this please
[09:31] <zaxor> Thread 1 (Thread 0x7f2beac4b780 (LWP 2970)):
[09:31] <zaxor> [KCrash Handler]
[09:31] <zaxor> #6  0x00007f2be9910a5e in QtPrivate::QStringList_contains (that=0x7fff1206e1d0, str=..., cs=Qt::CaseSensitive) at tools/qstringlist.cpp:318
[09:31] <zaxor> #7  0x000000000042416b in contains (cs=Qt::CaseSensitive, str=..., this=0x7fff1206e1d0) at /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qstringlist.h:171
[09:31] <zaxor> #8  ApplicationWindow::populateViews (this=0x2332a20) at /build/buildd/muon-1.2.1/installer/ApplicationWindow.cpp:229
[09:31] <zaxor> #9  0x000000000042771c in ApplicationWindow::qt_metacall (this=0x2332a20, _c=QMetaObject::InvokeMetaMethod, _id=<optimized out>, _a=0x7fff1206e7a0) at /build/buildd/muon-1.2.1/obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/installer/ApplicationWindow.moc:113
[09:31] <FloodBotK1> zaxor: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:32] <schnelle> zaxor: it is a known problem but even a muon developer doesn't know why it is crashing
[09:32] <schnelle> for me it never crashed
[09:32] <zaxor> thank you for an answer
[09:32] <zaxor> how do I update my system than
[09:33] <schnelle> you can try to reset muon to its defaults with removing muons config files in
[09:33] <schnelle> /.kde/share/config
[09:33] <schnelle> remove muonrc file
[09:33] <schnelle> and then start muon
[09:33] <FloodBotK1> schnelle: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:34] <schnelle> did you try from konsole sudo apt-get update
[09:34] <schnelle> and then sudo apt-get upgrade ?
[09:35] <zaxor> thank you shnelle
[09:35] <zaxor> opps schnelle
[09:36] <schnelle> zaxor: what is your user name on your computer? I will type you few commands and you just copy/paste them to konsole :)
[09:36] <zaxor> zaxor
[09:37] <schnelle> ok
[09:37] <schnelle> rm /home/zaxor/.kde/share/config muon-installerrc
[09:38] <zaxor> cannot remove `muon-installerrc': No such file or directory
[09:38] <schnelle> rm /home/zaxor/.kde/share/config/muon-installerrc
[09:38] <schnelle> sorry it was typo mistake
[09:39] <schnelle> rm /home/zaxor/.kde/share/config/muonrc
[09:39] <schnelle> rm /home/zaxor/.kde/share/config/muon-updaterrc
[09:39] <schnelle> these 3 commands should work
[09:39] <zaxor> I think they did
[09:39] <schnelle> now try
[09:40] <zaxor> atleast they did not give me an error
[09:40] <schnelle> sudo apt-get update
[09:40] <schnelle> does it work?
[09:40] <zaxor> no
[09:40] <zaxor> should I try a reboot
[09:40] <zaxor> done
[09:41] <schnelle> I don't know how experienced are u with konsole
[09:41] <zaxor> not at all
[09:41] <schnelle> when you use commands with sudo you have to enter your password
[09:41] <schnelle> but you will not see what you are typing
[09:41] <zaxor> yes I got that part
[09:41] <schnelle> just type the pass and hit enter
[09:42] <zaxor> yes sir did that
[09:42] <schnelle> so does this command work: sudo apt-get update   ?
[09:42] <zaxor> yes it did and it said done
[09:42] <zaxor> after a long list
[09:42] <schnelle> ok now sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:43] <schnelle> if there are updates it will tell you and you answer with y ( y is for yes)
[09:43] <zaxor> Reading state information... Done
[09:43] <zaxor> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[09:45] <schnelle> zaxor: ok. your system is up to date
[09:45] <schnelle> you can update muon to newest version
[09:45] <zaxor> thanks schnelle I appreciate that
[09:45] <schnelle> i hope it will not crash
[09:46] <schnelle> it is not crashing on my system
[09:46] <zaxor> me too but no muon is sad
[09:46] <schnelle> to update muon:
[09:46] <schnelle> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:echidnaman/qapt
[09:46] <schnelle> sudo apt-get update
[09:46] <schnelle> sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:47] <zaxor> now that is doing something
[09:48] <zaxor> ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[09:48] <zaxor> is the last line before I get the standard prompt again
[09:48] <schnelle> zaxor: yes it is updating muon to newest version
[09:49] <schnelle> you did all 3 commands i wrote above, correct?
[09:49] <zaxor> yes sir I believe so
[09:49] <cypr1nus> hello, everyone. How is it called app that notifies about new mail or messages from kopete? it's very helpfull but i cannot find it in my distro
[09:50] <zaxor> yeah the software center works let me try the others
[09:50] <schnelle> zaxor: yay! :)
[09:51] <zaxor> package manager works yeah
[09:51] <zaxor> but I cannot locate the updater where is it
[09:51] <schnelle> cypr1nus: maybe message indicator? you can check it in system tray settings
[09:52] <schnelle> zaxor: hit alt+f2 and type update
[09:52] <schnelle> it should appear
[09:52] <cypr1nus> schnelle: i'll find it, thank you ;]
[09:53] <zaxor> what is the proper name for it as that did nothing
[09:53] <schnelle> it appears as muon update manager at my system
[09:54] <schnelle> cypr1nus: right click on system tray>system tray setting
[09:54] <zaxor> nope that didn't work either
[09:54] <schnelle> and then you should find it
[09:55] <schnelle> zaxor: go to muon package manager and type muon
[09:56] <schnelle> and see if muon-updater is installed
[09:56] <cypr1nus> schnelle: yep, just found it. In kubuntu i had an envelope icon, but maybe it's just an icon issue, and the app in the background is the same
[09:56] <zaxor> yes it says it is installed
[09:57] <zaxor> okay by me it is moun-updater and it worked
[09:57] <zaxor> how can I make sure it goes somewhere in the apps so I can use it
[09:58] <schnelle> zaxor: reboot you system :) and then try typing in menu or in krunner (alt+f2 for krunner) muon
[09:58] <schnelle> and muon updater should appear
[09:58] <zaxor> okay thanks man appreciate it
[09:58] <schnelle> zaxor: for updating you can use muon package manager
[10:05] <zaxor> nope not to be found though when I type it is there
[10:11] <zaxor> nope not to be found though when I type it is there
[10:11] <schnelle> zaxor: I think it is not intended to be found in menu. system automaticly checks for update and if there are updates it notifies you in system tray
[10:12] <zaxor> ah thanks yours isn't there either
[10:12] <schnelle> also you can update your system from muon package manager
[10:12] <schnelle> open package manager and there is button "check for update"
[10:13] <schnelle> where there are updates button "full upgrade" apear
[10:13] <schnelle> when there are updates button "full upgrade" apear
[10:13] <zaxor> okay thanks again I appreciate that
[10:13] <schnelle> no problem
[10:13] <schnelle> injoy freedom (kubuntu) :)
[10:27] <Fudge> anyone have gnome-orca installed with qt-at-spi
[13:13] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[14:19] <canis__> in what folder are icons for add on programs kept?  Say for libre office?
[14:20] <tsimpson> canis__: normally (somewhere) in /usr/share/icons or /usr/share/pixmaps
[14:21] <canis__> thanks
[14:25] <midbifroid> hi
[14:25] <midbifroid> can any help me?
[14:26] <Kurdistan> midbifroid, bring it on.
[14:26] <bazhang> midbifroid, with what
[14:26] <midbifroid> i want to active 2 monitors
[14:26] <Kurdistan> midbifroid, graphical card?
[14:26] <midbifroid> 2 graphics
[14:26] <midbifroid> 2 ati radeon both
[14:26] <midbifroid> but i havent /etc/Xorg.conf
[14:27] <midbifroid> i installed the oficial ati driver and... i had to reinstall kubuntu
[14:27] <Kurdistan> midbifroid, do you use open or closed ati?
[14:27] <midbifroid> no idea :S
[14:27] <midbifroid> i supose  3ºsoftware
[14:27] <midbifroid> i tried X +xinerama in root mode console
[14:28] <midbifroid> and throws that error
[14:28] <Kurdistan> midbifroid, do you want to create new xorg.conf?
[14:28] <midbifroid> can not lock file in /tmp/.tX0-lock
[14:28] <midbifroid> i have no more tricks :S
[14:28] <midbifroid> command aticonfig does not exists
[14:29] <midbifroid> i have... nothing :S
[14:29] <midbifroid> nothing o nothinf
[14:29] <designbybeck> I wanted to give a kudos to ALL of you that work on KDE and Kubuntu
[14:29] <designbybeck> I put it on my Dell mini netbook, and am very surprised how well it works
[14:30] <midbifroid> what package is to install the command "aticonfig" ?
[14:30] <designbybeck> the only problem I have right now is it crashes when I tr to do an update
[14:30] <midbifroid> or to install xinerama good
[14:31] <midbifroid> i think to clone the monitor in Xorg.conf, but file not exists
[14:31] <Kurdistan> midbifroid, 1. ctrl+alt+f1 2. sudo service kdm stop 3. sudo X -configure  4. sudo service kdm start 5. Open terminal and write: kdesudo dolphin 6. Move xorg.conf.new from your home direct. to /etc/X11/ and rename xorg.conf.new to xorg.conf
[14:31] <Kurdistan> restart your computer
[14:31] <Kurdistan> that will make a new xorg.conf
[14:32] <midbifroid> sudo service kdm stop : unknown instance (i am in recovery root mode) ???
[14:32] <Kurdistan> midbifroid, do exactly the way I writed.
[14:32] <midbifroid> X -configure : running..
[14:32] <Kurdistan> first ctrl+alt+f1
[14:33] <midbifroid> yes i am in the first console
[14:33] <Kurdistan> then follow 2-6
[14:33] <midbifroid> i know
[14:33] <midbifroid> but X -configure throws could nock create lock file in /tmp/.tX0-lock
[14:34] <Kurdistan> midbifroid, sounds like drivers are bad or not correctly removed
[14:34] <midbifroid> i ve indstalled xorg ati driver
[14:35] <Kurdistan> midbifroid, from ati homepage or from jockey?
[14:35] <midbifroid> installed by default
[14:35] <midbifroid> was here yert
[14:35] <midbifroid> yet
[14:36] <midbifroid> the second card is ATI Raedon 6800 (PowerColor) that not works and the firs card (integrated) is Ati Radeon 4250 (working)
[14:36] <Kurdistan> midbifroid, cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep 'Driver'
[14:37] <midbifroid> file not exists
[14:37] <midbifroid> is the most strange
[14:37] <midbifroid> i ve not this file
[14:37] <Kurdistan> midbifroid, okey, you do not have any xorg.conf
[14:37] <Kurdistan> midbifroid, thats okey.
[14:37] <Combatjuan> Hello.  I'm trying to enable desktop effects in kde4.  When I try and enable them I get a message saying they failed to load.  Looking at .xsession-errors I see "Couldn't find framebuffer configuration for depth 32 (no ARGB GLX visual)!".
[14:37] <Kurdistan> midbifroid, open command line type xrandr
[14:38] <midbifroid> xrandr : cant open displat ... should i go start session?
[14:38] <Combatjuan> I'm using the blob nvidia driver, kde 4.8, xorg 1:7.6, on kubuntu.
[14:38] <Combatjuan> My Xorg.0.log has no errors and none of the warnings seem relevant.  My screen sections in Xorg.conf have depth '24' and if I try and change them to '32' it says they are unsupported.
[14:39] <Kurdistan> Combatjuan, have you tried kwin --replace
[14:39] <Combatjuan> If I run glxinfo and look through the list of GLX Visuals, none of them have depth 32, but I don't really understand who is demanding that they be 32.  From everything that I've read, compositing should expect 24.
[14:39] <Combatjuan> Kurdistan: I have not.
[14:39] <Kurdistan> try.
[14:39] <midbifroid> Kurdistan wait i m going to star session
[14:40] <midbifroid> i was talking from another pc
[14:40] <Combatjuan> Kurdistan: Ok.  It gives some information about my nvidia driver, and then I get the same 3 errors (starting with no ARGB GLX visual, then failed to initialize compositing, then a link to techbase.kde.org)
[14:40] <Kurdistan> Combatjuan, glxinfo | grep render  give information
[14:41] <Kurdistan> paste it to pastebin
[14:41] <Kurdistan> glxinfo | grep render  <<--- this is the command line
[14:42] <Combatjuan> http://paste.kde.org/263066/
[14:43] <Kurdistan> looks fine. now last command: kwin --replace & disown
[14:43] <midbifroid> ok going on
[14:43] <midbifroid> i sudo services kdm stop
[14:43] <midbifroid> OK!
[14:43] <Kurdistan> midbifroid, sorry helping Combatjuan wait sec.
[14:43] <midbifroid> X -configure OK but errors
[14:43] <midbifroid> okis
[14:44] <Combatjuan> Kurdistan: http://paste.kde.org/263072/  Nope, sorry.
[14:45] <midbifroid> what command is to list the file content? used with | more
[14:45] <Combatjuan> midbifroid: cat?
[14:45] <midbifroid> oks
[14:45] <Kurdistan> Combatjuan, https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=123715
[14:46] <Combatjuan> Kurdistan: Yeah, I've seen that one.  But I've also seen counter-claims that people can use Xinerama and nvidia with desktop effects on the newer drivers.  I'll see if I can find one.
[14:47] <Combatjuan> Twinview is not an option because I have 3 monitors.
[14:47] <Kurdistan> Combatjuan, maybe "Okay, I fixed it. The problem was that I had XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS environment variable set to "1". Unsetting it fixed the problem and now I get working OpenGL compositing with KDE 4.1."
[14:48] <Combatjuan> Kurdistan: I've seen that as well.  I assumed they meant as an environment variable?  $ env | grep XLIB give me nothing.
[14:48] <Kurdistan> Combatjuan, try alt+f2 (krunner)
[14:48] <Kurdistan> then copy/paste
[14:49] <Kurdistan> env  KWIN_COMPOSE=O kwin --replace
[14:49] <Combatjuan> Kurdistan: Seems to have done the same thing as running kwin --replace.  So after krunner I ran it in a konsole and again received the output I pasted before.
[14:50] <Kurdistan> Combatjuan, hmm it can på driver-related
[14:50] <Kurdistan> I can not get effects working in 290.* nvidia drivers
[14:50] <Kurdistan> I am running latest beta driver
[14:50] <Combatjuan> Kurdistan: Also with Xinerama?
[14:50] <Kurdistan> Combatjuan, no, with twinview.
[14:51] <Combatjuan> Kurdistan: Yeah, mine is (I think) the latest beta driver.  It was at the top of the list yesterday for Linux 64.  Though there is a newer one on windows (295).
[14:51] <Combatjuan> Kurdistan: Alas, I can get compositing to work with twinview.  But I would have to toss out a monitor.
[14:51] <Kurdistan> Combatjuan, I am using 295.17
[14:52] <midbifroid> Kurdistan now i have the file xorg.conf in etc/X11 :) bur some errors in x -configure, now waiting :)
[14:53] <Kurdistan> Combatjuan, have you looked to .xsession-errors ?
[14:53] <Kurdistan> midbifroid, hope it works for you.
[14:54] <Combatjuan> Kurdistan: I can't find the 295 driver for linux 64 (GeForce 200 series, English US).  I'm looking at http://www.geforce.com/Drivers/Beta.  Can you post a link to download it?
[14:55] <Combatjuan> Kurdistan: Yeah, .xsession-errors has the same error message as kwin --replace is giving me plus various nepomuk, soprano, and other silly errors.
[14:55] <Kurdistan> Combatjuan, yes I can: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=cecdcf11693308398de1ef1fd177e5a9&t=122606
[14:55] <BluesKaj> Combatjuan,  for what it's worth my older nvidia 7600gt is using the nvidia-current driver which is the 290 ... yes the 295 is W7 driver atm, but it's not recommended even for dev OS like 12.04 which I'm running ...nvidia-current is your best bet
[14:56] <jimmy51_> when i boot the livecd, it makes it to the graphical portion and my monitor goes to sleep.  i can hit ctrl-alt-f5 to get text only (the system is running) but it appears graphics aren't working.  what should i do?
[14:56] <Combatjuan> Kurdistan: Thanks.  I'll give that a try.  Hmmm...  Ok, nvidia-current wasn't giving me any love either.  I guess I'll poke it some more.  Might be back later.  Again, thanks so much for the help.
[14:56] <Kurdistan> BluesKaj, :) I compiled 295.17 with  buntu specs. :P
[14:56] <Kurdistan> Combatjuan, have you tried the legacy nvidia drivers?
[14:57] <BluesKaj> Kurdistan,  well , no matter , it's still a bleeder , espacially on 11.10
[14:57] <Combatjuan> Kurdistan: I have not.  I got the impression reading forums that the older ones explicitly don't work with Xinerama.
[14:57] <Kurdistan> BluesKaj, true, but the only one working for me at the moment.
[14:58] <Combatjuan> Kurdistan: Should I be installing 32 bit open gl libs with the blob installer?  Or is that almost certainly completely orthogonal to this problem?
[14:58] <Kurdistan> Combatjuan, try to install 173.* (legacy)
[14:58] <Kurdistan> maybe it would work
[14:59] <Combatjuan> Kurdistan: I'll try that as well.  But probably not until the end of the day.  If I fail you'll probably see me about this time Monday.  (-8
[14:59] <Kurdistan> Combatjuan, I hope it will be fixed.
[14:59] <Kurdistan> if I am online I will try help you
[14:59] <Combatjuan> Actually you probably won't.  My wife was due with our second child 3 days ago and still hasn't popped.  But I'll bet I'm not around Monday.
[15:00] <Combatjuan> Kurdistan: Are you paid support or just generally awesome?
[15:00] <Kurdistan> Combatjuan, :) daddy.
[15:00] <Kurdistan> Combatjuan, not paid. I am only liking kubuntu.
[15:00] <Combatjuan> Kurdistan: Well have a great day and a nice weekend.
[15:00] <Kurdistan> Combatjuan, you to. take care.
[15:01] <Kurdistan> jimmy51_, do you have hybrid card?
[15:01] <BluesKaj> Combatjuan,  we're all volunteers here
[15:01] <jimmy51_> Kurdistan: it's the standard VGA adapter on an HP Proliant DL 160 G6
[15:02] <jimmy51_> (server)
[15:02] <Kurdistan> jimmy51_, again graphical card?
[15:02] <midbifroid> X :1 +xinerama (and monitor 2 lights on) but nothing :D its a great step
[15:03] <jimmy51_> Kurdistan: maybe a MGA-G200E.  windows just says standard VGA.
[15:03] <jimmy51_> Kurdistan: (by matrox)
[15:03] <Kurdistan> jimmy51_, lspci -nn | grep VGA
[15:04] <Kurdistan> jimmy51_, this is not windows support channel.
[15:04] <Kurdistan> midbifroid, great :).
[15:05] <midbifroid> monitor 2 disconnected, but, detected as DVI-0 :(, know it have 2 connectors 1 vga and 1 hdmi, but i want not to use hdmi, only vga
[15:06] <Kurdistan> midbifroid, install arandr
[15:06] <midbifroid> what next step Kurdistan ?
[15:06] <midbifroid> xrandr ?
[15:06] <midbifroid> arandr?
[15:06] <Kurdistan> arandr is xrandr gui
[15:06] <midbifroid> oks
[15:07] <Kurdistan> midbifroid, sudo apt-get install arandr
[15:07] <midbifroid> ready
[15:08] <midbifroid> no vga detected
[15:08] <midbifroid> 2º vga sorry
[15:08] <Kurdistan> you should be able to enable/disable
[15:08] <midbifroid> no i can not
[15:09] <midbifroid> i only have VGA-0 and DVI-0 (untouchable), but it must be VGA-0 VGA-1
[15:10] <midbifroid> 1º card is VGA, 2º card is VGA+HDMI
[15:10] <Kurdistan> midbifroid, xrandr --output S-video --same-as VGA-0
[15:11] <Kurdistan> midbifroid, when you write xrandr
[15:11] <midbifroid> not fund but: xrandr --output DVI-0 --same-as VGA-0
[15:11] <Kurdistan> what kind of output do you get?
[15:11] <midbifroid> no erros
[15:11] <midbifroid> but no mesages
[15:11] <midbifroid> simple ok
[15:12] <midbifroid> still can not active dvi-0/vga-1
[15:14] <midbifroid> is my linux knowing that my 2º card have 2 connectors ?
[15:14] <midbifroid> i think not
[15:14] <Kurdistan> midbifroid, lspci -nn | grep VGA
[15:14] <midbifroid> null
[15:15] <midbifroid> 0 lines
[15:15] <midbifroid> o surry
[15:15] <midbifroid> case sensitive
[15:15] <midbifroid> yeah 2 atis
[15:15] <midbifroid> oooooh
[15:15] <midbifroid> thats the problem
[15:15] <Kurdistan> midbifroid, how can you have 2 ati cards in one computer?
[15:15] <midbifroid> Ati Radeon HD 6800 PowerColor is detected as AMD Radeon HD 6500
[15:16] <Kurdistan> sudo aticonfig --initial   <<<----- what do you get when you run this
[15:16] <midbifroid> aticonfig : command not found
[15:16] <jimmy51_> Kurdistan: xforcevesa noapic irqpoll got it to boot
[15:16] <midbifroid> i never had to buy that card :S
[15:17] <jimmy51_> Kurdistan: not sure which of those (or a combo)... i guess i'll have to experiment
[15:17] <midbifroid> i dont think about 2 cars of same brand
[15:17] <Kurdistan> jimmy51_, great. :)
[15:17] <Kurdistan> jimmy51_, if you wanted to save remenber sudo kate /etc/default/grub
[15:17] <jimmy51_> Kurdistan: yeah... i'm relieved.
[15:17] <Kurdistan> and make the change and then sudo update-grub
[15:18] <jimmy51_> Kurdistan: i think it will be more complex than that... since this is a livecd and not an installed environment.
[15:18] <Kurdistan> jimmy51_, okey then you do not need it.
[15:18] <jimmy51_> Kurdistan: to top it off, i've actually got it PXE booting, mounting NFS share, and then booting.  i'll have to dig around for where the grub config is again.
[15:18] <Kurdistan> jimmy51_, good lyck.
[15:19] <Kurdistan> midbifroid, have you looked for drivers in jockey
[15:19] <Kurdistan> any avaible for you?
[15:19] <midbifroid> what is jockey? sorry
[15:19] <jimmy51_> Kurdistan: thanks... the livecd is cool but not too many people customize it (or at least not enough to leave a plethora of forum posts pointing to how to do stuff).  it's all old fashioned investigation.  have a good one.
[15:20] <Kurdistan> midbifroid, alt+f2 and then type: jockey
[15:20] <Kurdistan> enter
[15:20] <midbifroid> password?
[15:20] <midbifroid> who is jockey !! what are he doing in my pc? XD lol
[15:20] <Kurdistan> midbifroid, no password should be asked.
[15:20] <midbifroid> yea
[15:20] <midbifroid> password
[15:20] <midbifroid> problem
[15:20] <tsimpson> log in first ^ then type commands
[15:21] <midbifroid> is asking for password
[15:21] <tsimpson> use your username and password to login
[15:21] <midbifroid> ok
[15:21] <tsimpson> hold on (reading backlog), are you at a TTY?
[15:22] <tsimpson> or just running a command from the runner
[15:22] <Kurdistan> Tscheesy_, tty.
[15:22] <midbifroid> i found aticonfig
[15:22] <Kurdistan> midbifroid, install it :).
[15:22] <midbifroid> in /usr/lib/fglrx/bin/aticonfig
[15:22] <midbifroid> is installed here i dont know why
[15:22] <midbifroid> but : No supported adapters detected
[15:23] <Kurdistan> midbifroid, systemsettings and then screen
[15:23] <Kurdistan> have you tried active that way?
[15:23] <midbifroid> tsimpson i was in TTY2
[15:23] <midbifroid> how ?
[15:24] <Kurdistan> alt+f2 type systemsettings
[15:24] <Kurdistan> enter
[15:24] <Kurdistan> then you have section with hardware
[15:24] <Kurdistan> there it should be monitor/screen/display
[15:24] <midbifroid> oky
[15:25] <midbifroid> Sreen and monitor
[15:25] <midbifroid> it apears 2
[15:25] <midbifroid> the second inactive
[15:25] <midbifroid> and intouchable
[15:25] <Kurdistan> midbifroid, maybe thats the name, I am not using english kubuntu.
[15:25] <midbifroid> the second monitor can not be actived, and appears as DVI-0 not as VGA-1
[15:26] <Kurdistan> midbifroid, out of ideas.
[15:26] <midbifroid> is detected as ati hd 6500 but is 6800
[15:26] <midbifroid> :S
[15:26] <midbifroid> and xinerama?
[15:26] <Kurdistan> maybe if you tweak in xorg.conf
[15:26] <midbifroid> i think about copy screen in the file
[15:26] <midbifroid> but
[15:26] <midbifroid> it already exists
[15:26] <Kurdistan> kdesudo kate /etc/x11/xorg.conf
[15:27] <Kurdistan> kdesudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf <<-- sorrry should be like this.
[15:27] <midbifroid> ok
[15:28] <midbifroid> section device Card0 ok ati working
[15:28] <midbifroid> pci:1:5:0
[15:28] <Kurdistan> cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf <<--- can you pass this information to us? use pastebin.
[15:28] <midbifroid> ok
[15:31] <midbifroid> http://pastebin.com/BKyh9WKw
[15:34] <midbifroid> i think the problem may be in the BusID "PCI:2:0:0" but i dont understand the parts of that nomenclature
[15:35] <midbifroid> in the bios i confiured interal graphics , has something to do?
[15:35] <midbifroid> it was necesary to have 2 screens in windows7
[15:38] <Kurdistan> midbifroid, you have hybrid card?
[15:38] <midbifroid> what means with hybrid ?
[15:39] <Kurdistan> some vendors let you disable one in the bios
[15:39] <midbifroid> vga+hdmi ?
[15:39] <Kurdistan> midbifroid, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics
[15:41] <midbifroid> the internal graphics mode option in bios
[15:41] <midbifroid> there are 4 options
[15:41] <midbifroid> 1) gfx0-gpp-igfx-pci
[15:42] <midbifroid> 2) gpp-gfx0-igfx-pci0
[15:42] <midbifroid> 2) pci-gfx0-gpp-igfx
[15:42] <midbifroid> 3 sorry
[15:42] <midbifroid> 4) igfx-gfx0-gpp-pci (the only mode that i can have 2 screens in windows7)
[15:43] <midbifroid> really i dont understand this at all, but i think it is selector between internal graphicx / card1 /card 2 / etc...
[15:43] <Kurdistan> midbifroid, does type of cards I am not so good at.
[15:43] <Kurdistan> I hope some one else can help
[15:44] <Kurdistan> midbifroid, you can read the link I posted, maybe it will help.
[15:44] <midbifroid> :S i am going to restart 3 times trying other graphics mode, and i tell you , ned i to do something before? like remove xorg.conf etc..
[15:45] <midbifroid> the idea is set linux able to autodetect screens
[15:45] <midbifroid> i think with xorg.conf it is no autodetect, so i really dont understand xD
[15:47] <midbifroid> ok reading the link
[15:47] <Kurdistan> midbifroid, you can backup xorg.conf
[15:47] <Kurdistan> if you are making some change in bios
[15:48] <Kurdistan> kdesudo dolphin and go to xorg.conf and rename it to xorg.conf.old. then you can bring it up if you need it later by undo.
[15:56] <midbifroid> screen flashing when using only the 2º vga
[15:58] <midbifroid> U_U i suspect since i bought it, i thought "dont buy same graphic"
[15:59] <midbifroid> ei dont flashing, working but only the 2º sceen
[15:59] <midbifroid> now the first graphic dont work, now backwards xD
[16:00] <midbifroid> now detecting 3 cards
[16:02] <BluesKaj> midbifroid,  what path is your xorg.conf  ... /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[16:09] <midbifroid> yes BluesKaj but now it is disabled, i renamed xorg.conf._back
[16:10] <midbifroid> now i have HDMI-0 (disabled) DVI-0 (disabled) and VGA-0 current
[16:11] <BluesKaj> ok midbifroid . i was wondering if xorg was still in the same path ...I don't have an xorg.conf
[16:11] <midbifroid> every second i understand less
[16:11] <midbifroid> :D
[16:12] <midbifroid> well im going to try next opcion, 2 options left
[16:15] <midbifroid> loooool
[16:15] <midbifroid> in this option i have zero monitors
[16:15] <midbifroid> xDD
[16:17] <midbifroid> well there is no more options
[16:17] <midbifroid> i m going to suicide :) thanks Kurdistan
[16:18] <midbifroid> there is not remedy to active the damn ati raedon hd 6800 powercolor
[16:18] <midbifroid> bye
[16:54] <pangolin> I just ran apt-get update; apt-get upgrade and 3 packages: libssl1.0.0 libssl1.0.0:i386 openssl were upgraded. What I want to know is why both i386 and x64 packages got installed for libssl?
[16:55] <tsimpson> pangolin: maybe you have some (32-bit) application which requires the 32-bit version of the package
[16:56] <pangolin> tsimpson: I just did install a few days ago with the 64bit iso.. I don't believe I installed anything 32bit
[16:56] <pangolin> a clean install*
[16:57] <pangolin> tsimpson: not that important, just noticed it because it was so few packages and it peaked my interest :)
[16:58] <pangolin> tsimpson: is there a command I can run to find out what 32bit packages I may have installed?
[16:59] <tsimpson> I used to use aptitude to see why something is installed, ie "aptitude why <package>", only just noticed I haven't installed it yet
[17:01] <tsimpson> pangolin: oh, apt apparently does it too, try "apt-cache rdepends libssl1.0.0:i386"
[17:02] <pangolin> ah, flashplugin-installer is the culprit
[17:03] <pangolin> thanks for the info tsimpson :)
[17:04] <tsimpson> no problem, nice to know apt-cache has rdepends too, now I don't need to install aptitude :)
[17:08] <reisi> hi everyone, running 11.10: an app is nicely filling up $HOME/.xsession-errors: it's now 20GB; does anyone have any tips on which might be causing it, or how can i find out? i'm trying to do uniq -c .xsession-errors |sort -n to find out something about it, but at a glance, didn't seem that descriptive
[17:10] <reisi> i'm up to date with mostly default repositories
[17:12] <reisi> apparently uniq -c |sort -n does not scale too well :D
[17:13] <reisi> /does not scale too well/is not web scale/
[17:21] <reisi> could i somehow truncate the file even when lsof reports there are a lot of process that have the file open?
[17:22] <tsimpson> reisi: you could do that, sure
[17:23] <reisi> tsimpson: if i just unlink it will consume hard disk space (which i don't currently have)
[17:24] <tsimpson> reisi: if you unlink it, then the space will become available again, same with truncation
[17:25] <reisi> tsimpson: hmm, it seemed to continue consuming 20GB until i logged out (killed the processes)
[17:25] <reisi> truncate did however immediatedly release free space
[17:26] <reisi> knotify4: gstreamer criticals and warnings, there's nothing else
[17:26] <reisi> written out at 20MBps
[17:27] <reisi> it must be damn kmail trying to complain that it has again lost the imap connection; does knotify4 handle those notifications?
[17:28] <reisi> i tried to stop akonadi, now knotify4 still uses one core and writes out at 20MBps
[17:29] <tsimpson> kontify4 is the general KDE notification system (I think), so any kind of notification would probably go via knotify
[17:29] <Tm_T> reisi: knotify gstreamer, how akonadi has to do with those two? (:
[17:29] <reisi> Tm_T: i noticed that akonadi runs the mail checking processes (or at least, those were prefixed by "akonadi"); mail checking is the only one giving me notifications
[17:30] <reisi> though, currently there are no notifications either
[17:30] <Tm_T> reisi: I wonder if killing knotify makes any difference
[17:30] <reisi> i'm only running konsole..
[17:31] <reisi> Tm_T: well i can sustain this level of use; if anyone would have an idea on how to proceed i could get a bugreport filed
[17:32] <reisi> in ps uxf report no other process than konsole and knotify4 have any significant runtime either
[17:33] <Tm_T> reisi: I believe knotify will get respawned if it's killed
[17:34] <reisi> just killed SIGTERM'd it, not at least yet
[17:36] <reisi> starting ktorrent spawns the knotify4
[17:37] <reisi> no immediate problems
[17:37] <reisi> Tm_T: do you know what knotify4 does? is the notifications or filesystem events?
[17:38] <Tm_T> reisi: notifications, including sounds, popups, running commands on events if you like, or do simple logging
[17:38] <Tm_T> it's quite configurable
[17:43] <reisi> well.. i'll need to try to figure out how i made this runaway situation happen again; this was not the first time
[17:44] <Tm_T> reisi: suspend?
[17:44] <reisi> Tm_T: no
[17:44] <Tm_T> hmmm
[17:44] <reisi> Tm_T: uptime is over a week
[18:10] <Newboy> espa;ol
[18:10] <Newboy> esp
[18:10] <Tm_T> !es | Newboy
[18:32] <ses1984> hi, just installed kubuntu and ran a script a used to run all the time before, that rsynced some stuff to a flash drive
[18:32] <ses1984> it seems liek kubuntu is deferring the writes to the flash drive because when I rsync to it, the command completes instantly and I get no activity lights on the flash drive, but when i try to unmount it it takes forever
[18:32] <ses1984> i dont know why it's doing this but i don't like it...i like to see rsync --progress --human-readable to see how long it's going to take
[18:37] <BluesKaj> ses1984,  dunno anything about rsync , but if the flash drive is empty why not just copy the files over
[18:38] <ses1984> it's not empty, and even if it was rsync can be way faster if the data is compressible
[18:39] <ses1984> this also happens if i use the gui to drag files to the drive. it seems like the transfer takes place instantly, but nothing actually happened until you try to unmount the drive.
[18:39] <ses1984> if you wait long enough, sometimes 5 seconds or sometimes a minute, it seems like the activity lights blink and it starts to actually do the file op
[18:44] <BluesKaj> ses1984,  does rsync need a client side app ?
[18:47] <ses1984> if you don't know what rsync is i suggest you google it. it's amazing
[18:48] <ses1984> it's indispensible
[18:55] <designbybeck_> reading up on rsync now, seems pretty cool ses1984
[19:00] <Toctiz> is kubuntu better than ubuntu?
[19:01] <BluesKaj> !better | Toctiz
[19:02] <BluesKaj> !kubuntu
[19:02] <Toctiz> so er dies kubuntu have more of a "desktop" than ubuntu
[19:02] <Toctiz> does*
[19:03] <designbybeck_> Toctiz: I've used Ubuntu for 3 years and checked in on Kubuntu every now and then, but am using Kubuntu now on my netbook and loving it so far
[19:04] <BluesKaj> Toctiz,  try kubuntu and find out , you can burn a live-cd
[19:04] <BluesKaj> !livecd
[19:04] <designbybeck_> it is running very smooth for me on this lil' netbook
[19:04] <Toctiz> good enougth for me
[19:04] <designbybeck_> i find it more overall polished and feature rich
[19:05] <Toctiz> yes i like a desktop
[19:05] <Toctiz> does it have wubi
[19:05] <designbybeck_> i would not recommend wubi
[19:05] <BluesKaj> wubi only runs on windows
[19:05] <designbybeck_> for best results just do a dual boot install
[19:06] <Toctiz> yes i have windows can it be installed along side?
[19:06] <BluesKaj> it's not really a good linux-experience
[19:06] <designbybeck_> correct Toctiz
[19:06] <BluesKaj> !dualboot
[19:07] <Toctiz> isn't that for ubuntu*
[19:08] <designbybeck_> works the same Toctiz
[19:08] <Toctiz> oh ok
[19:08] <designbybeck_> they are both 'buntu
[19:08] <designbybeck_> Ubuntu uses the Gnome/Unity desktop Kubuntu uses KDE
[19:08] <Toctiz> ok
[19:09] <Guest1826> hey
[19:09] <designbybeck_> hello Guest1826
[19:09] <Guest1826> w
[19:11] <sila> u ok
[19:16] <sila> heyyy
[19:17] <sila> what's the topic?
[19:17] <sila> j
[19:17] <sila> g
[19:18] <sila> talk man
[19:20] <sila> I'm going
[19:20] <sila> its too boring
[19:23] <BluesKaj> sil this is a kubuntu support cahannel , it's not meant for chit chat , if you a question regarding kubuntu then please ask your question
[19:23] <BluesKaj> good , too late , but good
[19:26] <jimmy51_> Kurdistan: got it.  easier than i thought... the grub boot options are in the pxelinux config file... single text file on pxe server.
[19:26] <jimmy51_> Kurdistan: added xforcevesa and all is well.
[19:26] <jimmy51_> along the same topic though... is there a grub boot option that will force a certain resolution?
[19:27] <jimmy51_> i'd like to be able to force 1024 x 768
[19:32] <BluesKaj> jimmy51_, http://harrison3001.blogspot.com/2009/09/grub-2-graphical-boot-tips-to-set.html#.TzVwnG881hE
[19:32] <gre3n> #poland
[19:33] <BluesKaj> !pl | gre3n
[19:33] <sila> hi
[19:34] <sila> I'm waiting
[19:35] <sila> fuck thiSssss
[19:35] <maco2> watch the language, please
[19:35] <Tm_T> sila: language and patience, please
[19:38] <Lynoure> I'm trying to use ktimetracker, but get an error message upon trying to save a new task
[19:38] <Lynoure> "Error storing new task. Your changes were not saved. Make sure you can edit your iCalendar file. Also quit all applications using this file and remove any lock file related to its name from ~/.kde/share/apps/kabc/lock/ "
[19:38] <Lynoure> and I checked, there was no locks and no calendars configured
[19:45] <infoshock> gah
[19:45] <kde185> anyone know how to temporarily turn off X?
[19:45] <kde185> init 3 isn't working anymore...
[19:47] <BluesKaj> kde185,  ctl+alt+f1 , sudo service kdm stop , then when you need the desktop , startx
[19:47] <designbybeck> I want to learn more about keystrokes in Kubuntu to make me more productive and efficient
[19:47] <kde185> BluesKaj: thanks
[19:47] <designbybeck> like on Ubuntu Unity, you can just press the superkey and start typing a program name and it searchs for it
[19:47] <designbybeck> nothing like that on Kubuntu?
[19:48] <kde185> designbybeck: alt + f2
[19:48] <designbybeck> hmm that isn't working for me kde185
[19:48] <kde185> designbybeck: if it doesn't work there's a pretty easy fix
[19:48] <BluesKaj> designbybeck,  or kmenu search
[19:48] <designbybeck> i'm running kubuntu 11.10 on a netbook
[19:48] <kde185> designbybeck: open system setting
[19:48] <designbybeck> so the screen changed a lil
[19:49] <kde185> designbybeck: Under Startup and Shutdown
[19:49] <kde185> designbybeck: click on desktop file, then add program
[19:50] <designbybeck> hmmm
[19:50] <kde185> designbybeck: type in krunner
[19:50] <kde185> designbybeck: then  ok
[19:50] <kde185> designbybeck: unless you want to logout/login then you'll need to run krunner in a terminal this one time
[19:51] <designbybeck> i don't want to log in and out with it
[19:51] <designbybeck> i just wanted a quick way to call up my programs i'd like to run
[19:51] <designbybeck> Like the super key in Unity
[19:52] <designbybeck> or alt space in GnomeDo and Synapses
[19:52] <designbybeck> or what ever it was
[19:53] <kde185> designbybeck: I think this is like that
[19:53] <kde185> designbybeck: just for some reason krunner doesn't start automatically
[19:54] <kde185> designbybeck: adding krunner to your autostart fixes that
[19:54] <designbybeck> i'm not finding krunner
[19:54] <kde185> designbybeck: you don't need to find it, just type in krunner
[19:55] <designbybeck> i'm in the netbook view i am thinking
[19:55] <designbybeck> so i'm trying to learn this interface
[19:55] <BluesKaj> designbybeck,  you can run synapse on kubuntu as well , if you wish
[19:56] <kde185> designbybeck: you went to the the Startup and Shutdown and clicked "Add Program"?
[19:57] <BluesKaj> kde185,  how does krunner link to the shortcut key he wants to implement ?
[19:57] <designbybeck> ok i found it
[19:58] <kde185> BluesKaj: not sure what you mean, krunner is a quick tool to run programs and do other stuff
[19:59] <designbybeck> yeah i am wanting something like that kde185
[19:59] <BluesKaj> kde185, I think he wants a shrtcut key on the KB to run certqin apps
[20:00] <designbybeck> krunner now shows to be in the startup
[20:00] <designbybeck> but yes, how do i cue it up with a keystroke like the super key?
[20:00] <kde185> designbybeck: k, now it will work every time you startup or login
[20:00] <BluesKaj> right click on the desktop brings up the run command , it's the krunner
[20:00] <kde185> designbybeck: you'll hit alt + f.  Though you'll need to open konsole and type krunner first
[20:01] <kde185> designbybeck: you'll only need to do the konsole thing this once
[20:01] <kde185> designbybeck: *alt + f2
[20:02] <designbybeck> ok i'm seeing how it works i think
[20:02] <BluesKaj> designbybeck, ok , pls clarify what you mean by the superkey
[20:02] <designbybeck> can then I can go back to that Kmenu to change the keystroke?
[20:02] <designbybeck> Windows Key
[20:02] <designbybeck> between the ctrl and al
[20:03] <kde185> designbybeck: there is...not sure where exactly
[20:03] <kde185> designbybeck: if you open system settings again there's a search field at the top right
[20:04] <designbybeck> i'm there
[20:04] <designbybeck> i see Custom Standard Global keystrokes
[20:04] <designbybeck> but not finding ALT+f2
[20:05] <kde185> designbybeck: under Global Keyboard Shortcuts, you'll want to select "Run Command Interface" for the Kde component
[20:06] <designbybeck> cool!
[20:06] <designbybeck> ah i see i guess KDE calls it the meta key
[20:07] <designbybeck> it will not let me do just the meta key by itself
[20:08] <designbybeck> thank you guys for your help with this
[20:08] <kde185> np
[20:09] <designbybeck> on another note, does KDE support any on screen overlaid annotation
[20:09] <designbybeck> like Compiz Annotation
[20:09] <designbybeck> if I have a tablet to draw on the screen
[20:09] <designbybeck> I work in Education and I try to streamline tools
[20:10] <designbybeck> and being able to write anywhere anytime on anything is very nice
[20:11] <kde185> System settings -> Desktop Effects -> All Effects -> Mouse Mark
[20:13] <designbybeck> well i found the spot and turned it on but it doesn't seem to be working
[20:13] <designbybeck> using meta key shift and mouse
[20:13] <designbybeck> oh i had to apply the last box as well
[20:14] <designbybeck> now if only we could get erases from the wacom tablet as well as presure sensitivity :D
[20:15] <kde185> well goodluck I've gotta get going
[20:21] <designbybeck> I very well might have to install Kubuntu on my main box now
[20:21] <designbybeck> err laptop that is
[20:21] <designbybeck> after seeing David Revoy take to KDE it made me excited
[20:21] <designbybeck> because of all the graphics he does
[20:21] <designbybeck> which is what i do
[20:24] <designbybeck> In most gnome products spell check is on in most boxes by default, anything like that for KDE?
[20:26] <designbybeck> I think I might have found it
[20:27] <designbybeck> Yep! That will work! :D
[21:06] <sandra> test
[21:07] <designbybeck> Ok It's all your fault!
[21:07] <designbybeck> I installed Kubuntu on my main box now
[21:07] <sandra> G'day my fellow Kubuntu inmates :-)
[21:07] <sandra> I trust you are all doing well today :-)
[21:08] <designbybeck> because it has Ubuntu on there, and I had all those packages, is it safe to delete some of those other apps from within kubuntu or do i have to go to ubuntu to do that?
[21:08] <designbybeck> I am now sandra
[21:08] <designbybeck> KDE is running like a champ, so far so good
[21:08] <sandra> designbybeck: Good glad to hear it :-)
[21:10] <designbybeck>  I get a crash when i try to run the muon package manager
[21:10] <designbybeck> This would happen on my netbook as well
[21:14] <designbybeck> :( now the System Settings is crashing at random
[21:14] <designbybeck> giving SegFault errors
[21:15] <sandra> Could someone here please tell me if it is possible under Kubuntu to install a right click on the desktop option "Open in Terminal" as is found in Ubuntu "nautilus-open in terminal" command ? Thanks in advance for your thoughtful replies.
[21:16] <designbybeck> sorry sandra, i've only been using KDE for 30mins ;)
[21:19] <gnomefreak> sandra: there used to be a package to allow terminal option in context menu but dont recall the package namne. im pretty sure it was for all desktops not just kde
[21:19] <sandra> designbybeck: Thanks all the same I hope someone here has a answer :-)
[21:19] <designbybeck> this Quassel IRC is so much better than XChat!
[21:20] <designbybeck> all of KDE is from what I'm finding out, just not sure I like the random crashs when doing basic system setting changes
[21:20] <sandra> gnomefreak: I know that option can be found under gnome but so far I have been striking out finding that option under Kubuntu.
[21:20] <gnomefreak> sandra: the thing im recalling is a package you install
[21:20] <gnomefreak> im looking for it now
[21:21] <gnomefreak> and gnomne doesnt have it by default
[21:21] <sandra> gnomefreak: Thank you so much :-)
[21:21] <gnomefreak> gnome even
[21:23] <sandra> gnomefreak: under Ubuntu the install package is "nautilus-Open in Terminal"
[21:23] <gnomefreak> sandra: thanks
[21:23] <flintwingel> sandra: i'm running a faily vanilla kubuntu install   and a right lick on a folder gives me "Open Terminal Here" under the Actions option
[21:24] <gnomefreak> no its not
[21:24] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@Development:~$ show nautilus-open
[21:24] <gnomefreak> N: Unable to locate package nautilus-open
[21:24] <Pici> nautilus-open-terminal
[21:24] <dies_irae> how to restore sound??
[21:25] <dies_irae> I accidentaly removed the interface
[21:25] <gnomefreak> thanks Pici
[21:25] <dies_irae> teh card is there, restartding alsa does nothing so definately something to do with KDE.
[21:26] <gnomefreak> reinstall what you removed
[21:26] <sandra> gnomefreak: But Kubuntu of course does not use nautilus. Yes  know clicking on folder gives me that option but what I want is the ability to click on a open area of my desktop and have the option "To Open in Terminal" thus pulling up the terminal w/out clicking on a folder :-)
[21:26] <dies_irae> gnomefreak: lawl, ur obviously cluless.
[21:26] <gnomefreak> i dont know if kde uses pulseaudio or not
[21:27] <gnomefreak> sandra: correct but iirc there was a package that allowed you to have the option outside of fiiles/folders
[21:28] <gnomefreak> installing nautilus-open-terminal doesnt change anything at all
[21:28] <sandra> gnomefreak: KDE does use pulse audio and pulseaudio is present in Kubuntu.
[21:28] <dies_irae> what I am talking is about 'Do you want to permanently remove these devices??'
[21:29] <gnomefreak> dies_irae: see if you have pulseaudio installed
[21:29] <gnomefreak> dies_irae: thats up to you but i suggest no
[21:29] <dies_irae> that's the most idiotic message ever. Do you think average clueless user know wtf do in that case??
[21:29] <sandra> gnomefreak: What I need is a equivalent of that gnome nautilus package for KDE to"Open in Terminal"
[21:29] <dies_irae> ask the user about hardware devices??
[21:29] <gnomefreak> sandra: i know what you need im still looking
[21:30] <sandra> gnomefreak: Thanks :-)
[21:30] <gnomefreak> sandra: open up package manager and search too :)
[21:30] <sandra> dies_irae: Don't remove those devices
[21:30] <dies_irae> I even un-installed pulse and still no sound, so definately KDE did something.
[21:31] <sandra> dies_irae: what sound card are you currently using ?
[21:31] <gnomefreak> kde doesnt just "do things"
[21:31] <dies_irae> sandra: it popped up when the webcam was un-plugged, but it had other devices that I did not pay attention and I accidentaly clicked 'yes'
[21:31] <dies_irae> sandra: I got the mobo and a PCI
[21:31] <dies_irae> the PCI is not sounding any waves throgh the air.
[21:32] <dies_irae> 'Do you want KDE to permanently forget about these devices?
[21:32] <dies_irae> This is the list of devices KDE thinks can be removed:
[21:32] <dies_irae> '
[21:32] <gnomefreak> sandra: im not finding anything here.
[21:32] <dies_irae> that's the ass retarded message ^^^
[21:32] <sandra> dies_irae: Go System Settings then select multimedia and check your preferences there.
[21:32] <dies_irae> isn't kubuntu supposed to be luser friendly?
[21:33] <dies_irae> sandra: I've done that a trillion times already.
[21:33] <gnomefreak> dies_irae: depends on the user
[21:33] <sandra> dies_irae: yes it's friendly enough but like any friendship there is a getting to know you period :-)
[21:33] <dies_irae> aplay -L or -l DOES report  my card.
[21:34] <sandra> gnomefreak: I appreciate all your help. Thank you :-)
[21:34] <dies_irae> ok re-installing pulse and see if the issue gets fixed automagically.
[21:34] <gnomefreak> sandra: np sorry
[21:35] <sandra> gnomefreak: nothing to be sorry about :-)
[21:35] <designbybeck> I am trying to find the setting where I can resize a window with ALT + MMB instead of RMB
[21:36] <designbybeck> any idea where that is?
[21:36] <dies_irae> lawl, my download speed 6 B/s
[21:37] <sandra> dies_irae: I know your not going to like this but my suggestion for now is reinstall Kubuntu and once you perform your updates update your kernel to 3.2.0-15 and see if that solves your sound issues I know it solved my wireless issues for me perhaps it also includes a sound driver for your on board sound chip.
[21:37] <dies_irae> couldn't be more correct BS download speeds!!
[21:37] <dies_irae> sandra: this is LiveCD
[21:39] <sandra> dies_irae: running Kubuntu from a live CD or even from a USB key has it's limitations, especially when it comes to upgrading system hardware.
[21:39] <sandra> dies_irae: Or trouble shooting.
[21:41] <sandra> dies_irae: I wish you the best in regards to sound issues.
[21:42] <dies_irae> hello?
[21:42] <sandra> well take care my fellow Kubuntu inmates :-)
[21:42] <dies_irae> ping of death :(
[21:43] <sandra> Enjoy the day :-)
[21:54] <profaan-K> hi all?
[21:55] <designbybeck> hello profaan-K
[22:05] <designbybeck> GOODNESS!!! Quassel kept crashing, I couldn't get back in here
[22:05] <designbybeck> these things worry about usein Kubuntu, does everyone have these kinds of problems with random crashing?
[22:06] <BluesKaj> odd , quassel is pretty stable
[22:06] <designbybeck> i'm not sure if i wasn't connected and i'd click on #kubuntu
[22:06] <designbybeck> and that is what it crashed
[22:07] <BluesKaj> gotta reboot
[22:07] <designbybeck> we have our TexOS project starting next weekend. I used LinuxMint 11 last time for the first one we did
[22:07] <designbybeck> but I'm considering going with Kubuntu now
[22:07] <designbybeck> I'm just worried this might turn people off with all the random crashes
[22:08] <designbybeck> Could it be because I have Ubuntu on here as well?
[22:10] <designbybeck> how do I see what version of KDE this is?
[22:11] <lethu> designbybeck, go into settings
[22:11] <lethu> system setting
[22:11] <lethu> then >> help
[22:11] <lethu> then >> about
[22:11] <designbybeck> thank you lethu
[22:11] <lethu> designbybeck, yw
[22:11] <designbybeck> KDE 4.7.4
[22:12] <designbybeck> isn't 4.8 out?
[22:12] <lethu> designbybeck, still in release candidate stage
[22:12] <lethu> last time I checked
[22:12] <designbybeck> ah gotcha
[22:13] <lethu> anyway, even if it goes gold
[22:13] <lethu> there will be a delay before Kubuntu gets it
[22:13] <designbybeck> hmm I am trying to install some software in the Muon Software Center
[22:14] <designbybeck> i click install and it says "This operation cannot coninue since proper authorization was not provided"
[22:14] <designbybeck> but It never asked for a password?
[22:14] <lethu> probably a bug
[22:14] <designbybeck> :(
[22:14] <designbybeck> this isn't good for me
[22:14] <lethu> try launching it from console with "sudo"
[22:15] <designbybeck> I was going to install Kubuntu on 11 computer to give to kids
[22:17] <designbybeck> lethu: how do I figure out if it is a bug or not?
[22:18] <lethu> designbybeck, launch it from console and watch for error message in the console
[22:18] <designbybeck> how do i find the command for the software center?
[22:19] <lethu> designbybeck, try $ sudo muon
[22:19] <lethu> then type the pass
[22:19] <designbybeck> that opened the package manager
[22:19] <lethu> when asked
[22:19] <designbybeck>  sudo muon
[22:19] <designbybeck> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-beck" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[22:19] <designbybeck> beck@beck-Linux:~$
[22:20] <designbybeck> that is what It gave me but it did open
[22:20] <genii-around> !kdesudo
[22:21] <designbybeck> Interesting
[22:21] <lethu> genii-around, try $ sudo gdebi-kde
[22:21] <BluesKaj> don't use sudo for a gui app , use kdesudo
[22:21] <lethu> designbybeck, I mean
[22:22] <lethu> yeah, sorry I wasn't aware of this detail
[22:22] <designbybeck> so that should be kdesudo
[22:22] <lethu> I have always used sudo, and it worked for me
[22:22] <designbybeck> ?
[22:22] <lethu> designbybeck, apparently yes
[22:23] <designbybeck> well i typed that command and it did pop up the password lethu
[22:24] <designbybeck> but then i put it in, and it just went away
[22:24] <designbybeck> Creating accessible with different object than the original interface!
[22:24] <designbybeck> show QWidget(0x1ae18c0)
[22:24] <designbybeck> Creating accessible with different object than the original interface!
[22:24] <designbybeck> show KDialog(0x7f6418040350, name = "error")
[22:24] <designbybeck> Creating accessible with different object than the original interface!
[22:24] <FloodBotK1> designbybeck: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:24] <designbybeck> Creating accessible with different object than the original interface!
[22:24] <lethu> designbybeck, something must be wrong
[22:24] <designbybeck> maybe i should try to restart
[22:25] <lethu> it wouldn't hurt
[22:25] <designbybeck> i use Ubuntu 11.10 64bit
[22:25] <designbybeck> but just today I decided to try Kubuntu and installed kubuntu-desktop from the software center in ubuntu
[22:25] <lethu> wrong way
[22:26] <lethu> not surprising you get unexpected behaviour
[22:26] <lethu> if you want Kubuntu, install it via the dvd, on a fresh formated hd
[22:27] <lethu> even updates from Kubuntu to a newer version are known to give unexpected results
[22:27] <designbybeck> hhmmmm
[22:27] <designbybeck> dang
[22:27] <designbybeck> I have Ubuntu and Linux Mint on two differnet partitions
[22:28] <designbybeck> i don't need the LinuxMint one anymore so I guess I could put a full, clean install on there
[22:28] <lethu> yes, barely one of the possibilities
[22:28] <lethu> s/barely/merely
[22:30] <designbybeck> ok thanks for the help lethu i've gotta run for now. I'll be building my core LinuxMCE box this weekend, maybe I'll try Kubuntu clean install on that first
[23:36] <netrunner_> hello all
[23:39] <jessie> Howdy.
[23:39] <jessie> Oh, netrunner left. :-(


[07:45] <schopin> cpaelzer: I have a MIR process question: I've just added a package to the Rust MIR (dh-cargo) but I don't want a review just yet as there are still plenty of stuff to do on it. I'm guessing setting it to Incomplete would do the trick, is that right? If so I'll open a PR to outline this in the MIR wiki page.
[07:46] <cpaelzer> schopin: the process states already have this on the wiki - any kind of incomplete is "on the reporter"
[07:57] <schopin> cpaelzer: yup, hence my educated guess. My hesitation is because everywhere in the page this state is implied to be set by reviewers.
[08:00] <cpaelzer> schopin: your reducated guess is right and if you think a statement somewhere will help feel free to propose one
[08:02] <schopin> I'll probably fold that into a slightly bigger rewording proposal for the "Filing a MIR bug" section, as discussed last month during Sprint :)
[08:02]  * schopin adds this to his TODO for the week.
[10:03] <rbasak> seb128: reminder on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libnotify/+bug/1961092 please
[10:05] <seb128> rbasak, oh, right, thanks
[10:09] <rbasak> seb128: I don't mind uploading a drop of the Recommends in an Ubuntu delta so I don't need you to do anything as such. I just want to make sure that it doesn't break anything on the desktop end to do that.
[10:13] <Kolusion> UFW has a design problem. If you disable IPv6 in UFW, it disables IPv6 at the system level. It should be disabling it in UFW only.
[10:13] <Kolusion> UFW is for traffic, not interfaces.
[10:24] <rbasak> Kolusion: I suggest you file a bug if you think the behaviour is wrong.
[10:24] <rbasak> Kolusion: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ufw/+filebug
[10:25] <Kolusion> rbasak: It is too clunky to do that. I put it out here, hopefully someone passionate enough will fix it. :)
[10:26] <Kolusion> I tried signing up to Launchpad ones and went into a loop over some Open ID. So I'm done with it. :)
[10:28] <Kolusion> Ah, I see they have got rid of Open ID's. Yeah, I might file a bug then if I get time. :)
[12:16] <GunnarHj> Hi xnox, Can you please merge this too:
[12:16] <GunnarHj> https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubiquity/+git/ubiquity/+merge/408954
[12:16] <GunnarHj> Highly desirable that it makes it into ubiquity before the release.
[19:11] <seb128> rbasak, so I read the libnotify report and checked the situation again and I think it's fine if you want to lower to a Suggests in Ubuntu, feel free to upload
[19:19] <rbasak> seb128: thanks!


[05:44] <Nixon> is there a way to intentionally freeze or suspend say firefox without shutting it down?
[11:54] <ara> hello all!
[11:54] <ara> do you guys know why you're not releasing alpha1 with the rest of the ubuntu supported flavours?
[11:58] <Daviey> ara: no, we are skipping A1
[11:58] <ara> Daviey, but reason why?
[11:59] <Daviey> ara: Ask superm1, but i think the main reason was - nothing on the myth* level has changed.. so we would be essentially testing the core OS
[11:59] <ara> Daviey, OK, thanks
[12:00] <Daviey> ara: However, if your team is bored.... :)
[12:00] <ara> Daviey, no, not really, thanks :D
[12:00] <Daviey> heh
[18:04] <Testatorman> Hi, it's my fist time with mythbunto 10.04 and mythtv in general .. when i slect a channel with up and down on my kyboard then i press enter, i view the channel ..but a record is launched automatically without messages ..did i do soething wrong ?
[19:37] <HrB> Hi all, what might be the problems with a dist-upgrade from 9.10 to LTS 10.04 ? will it mess up my remote etc...
[19:43] <Jay2k1> for me apt-get dist-upgrade worked flawlessly
[19:44] <HrB> ok, great to hear thanks Jay2k1
[19:44] <HrB> then Ill give it a try :-)
[19:50] <Testatorman> well .. i've solved my problem of constant recording...rtfm^^pvr is not tv
[19:51] <Testatorman> another problem... if i want to read a livetv record while it''s playback i cannot quit or select other actions that forward and backward ... ?
[20:02] <Testatorman> does anyone have encountered a keyboard function stuck while playing a livetc record ?
[20:03] <Testatorman> i can only use mouse wheel  .. anything else except switcch to consolee with alt+f*


[11:20] <lesamourai> Touch emulator stuck at 'setup passcode' screen during first boot after clean install of Ubuntu 16.04 , any help on this?
[14:43] <tsimonq2> !help | Gprince
[14:44] <tsimonq2> whoops
[14:44] <tsimonq2> wrong channel :P
[21:53] <mcphail> Whilst the corporate branding is cool, having several similar shades of purple and orange in a pie chart is not the most helpful thing on the Ubuntu Myapps stats page ;)
[23:57] <podbay> I'm going through the CurrencyConverter tutorial, but the uris for the xml feed and namespace seem to have changed.  Is this updated anywhere?


[14:25]  * Eickmeyer thinks it's hilarious every time someone asks for a way to do a "minimal" install and choose which packages to install when it's right there in Ubiquty.
[15:15] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I suppose That should somehow be done with installer too.
[15:16] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: We've been talking about this for a while. Unfortunately most of our time has been chasing edge-case bugs like those of Wonko's.
[15:17] <OvenWerks> while I am sure tcl/tk could do that, A rewrite to python would probably be the best next step forward
[15:17] <Eickmeyer> It would be.
[15:19] <OvenWerks> And yes I have found another opps in controls  :P
[15:23] <Eickmeyer> Fun. Got fixes?
[15:24] <OvenWerks> I think I can... I have been working on documenting foldback: http://scott.cbbs.org/ardours-interface/foldback-strip/
[15:25] <OvenWerks> but I think I can set that aside as done.
[15:26] <Eickmeyer> Ah, yes. You showed me that. Sweet. :)
[15:29] <OvenWerks> I try to keep the manual up to date as I work while I remember what I did...
[15:30] <OvenWerks> but I have to keep a separate branch because it is not released yet. (I now remember I should add an "as of version 6.0)
[15:36] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: what I have found is that the recomended buffer size for zita-ajbrdge is 1/2 the size of jack master. This is because the bridge adds latency and running a smaller buffer size reduces that.
[15:37] <Eickmeyer> Interesting. So, %zita-buffer-variable=%jack-buffer-variable/2 or something of that sort.
[15:37] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: however, there are limits for many USB devices. One has to remember that the main reason for the bridge at all is to add cheap USB mics to the mix
[15:37] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, that's true.
[15:38] <OvenWerks> and so the buffer size needs to have a lower limit
[15:39] <Eickmeyer> Is there a lowest possible limit? Because if (in the unlikely event) someone has set jack's buffer to 16 then that means zita would need to be 8.
[15:39] <OvenWerks> I found that running jack at 64/2 zita could not even open my cheap usb IF at 32/2 but was fine when I set 128/2 so zita at 64/2
[15:39] <Eickmeyer> Ok, but USB devices almost automatically mean it needs to be */3.
[15:41] <OvenWerks> So I need to set half at anything higher than 128, and then 64 for anything lower
[15:41] <OvenWerks> */3 is only needed for really small 32/3 for example.
[15:42] <OvenWerks> the limit is that USB is 1ms call rate which happens to be 1/3 for 16 samples at 48000 (assuming the exact same clock)
[15:44] <Eickmeyer> What I'm referencing is this: https://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/list_of_jack_frame_period_settings_ideal_for_usb_interface
[15:44] <OvenWerks> As intel has messed up USB with XHCI (for USB 3.0) no one can get 32/3 on their usb device anyway and so 64/2 seems to work fine even on my cheap $0.80 usb device.
[15:45] <Eickmeyer> Ok, interesting.
[15:47] <OvenWerks> Shutting off the XHCI driver in my bios was effective in allowing me to raise the priority of my front usb port above the back (mouse) usb port
[15:59] <Eickmeyer> Unfortunately not everyone's machine can do that.
[16:00] <Eickmeyer> The thing is, we can't rely on BIOS methods of fixes or workarounds because that is completely dependent on the device manufacturer.
[16:03] <OvenWerks> yup
[16:04] <OvenWerks> and as we found yesterday, high core machines have limited low latency ability
[16:05] <Eickmeyer> Which makes sense as they have to dedicate the IRQs to multithreading.
[16:07] <OvenWerks> ya, my old single core P4 with hyper thread turned off was rock solid at with no xruns with .7  ms latency (16/2)
[16:08] <OvenWerks> However, the reality is, that use case matters
[16:09] <OvenWerks> for recording and other daw use, a high latency is mostly ok so long as monitoring is done outside the box, either in the audio interface or an external mixer
[16:09] <Eickmeyer> Agreed.
[16:10] <OvenWerks> for live use, latency matters but who is going to drag around a server box to do that when a pi4 does the job really well?
[16:11] <Eickmeyer> Well, that's why I have a laptop with dedicated graphics.
[16:11] <OvenWerks> For mobile, low latency use the i5 4 core cpu is about the most expensive that still works well or has any advantage
[16:13] <Eickmeyer> wonko is turning into a bit of a leech.
[16:21] <OvenWerks> no worries, he has turned up a few bugs others will also find.
[16:22] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: for the 64 samples in minimum bug, should I file a bug report before pushing?
[16:22] <Eickmeyer> If you wouldn't mind, that would be great. Shows that we're not just uploading for the sake of uploading.
[16:22] <Eickmeyer> FF tends to be an interesting time.
[16:23] <Eickmeyer> Also, bug fixes are allowed after beta freeze before final freeze, but I like to cover our butts on this kind of thing.
[16:28] <OvenWerks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-controls/+bug/1844706
[16:28] <Eickmeyer> Cool.
[16:38] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: fix uploaded (two lines added)
[16:39]  * OvenWerks has found another eason to not like python... in tcl everything is a string, in python typing is required str(*) and int(*)  :P
[16:40] <Eickmeyer> The more you know. :)
[16:42] <OvenWerks> I seem to have forgotten what perl does
[16:49] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: BTW the udev-rtirq package I was interested in (next cycle-ish) does not seem to work for me. It is quite a simple package and so I will probably just pull the idea and see if I can make it work. Whatever I do, would replace rtirq. I am guessing it would become a part of -controls or at least depend on it.
[16:50] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, that seems like a great idea. I feel as if rtirq hasn't been touched in forever.
[16:51] <OvenWerks> My idea is that if the autojack config file (or at least some of the info) was available to a system land daemon, then that daemon would set jack master device as the highest and zita devices after. Any audio device not being used would not have it's priority raised
[16:52] <Eickmeyer> YES! That might eliminate unneccesary xruns on the master device.
[16:53] <OvenWerks> last of all, finding any MIDI devices and raise them but below any of the others. (MIDI being as slow as it is may not need a raise)
[16:54] <OvenWerks> rtirq has been changed in the last few years... or maybe the kernel has changed, because I used to be able to do usb3 and get it picked up.
[17:32] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: autobuild didn't trigger (last change was only 21 hours ago), so manually triggered. I want to see if it builds properly before I upload to eoan.
[17:32] <Eickmeyer> I have no doubt it will, but that's another thing that can bite me if I'm not careful. :)
[17:52] <OvenWerks> sorry, I should have done that.
[17:58] <Eickmeyer> No worries.


[12:18] <hweg162> hi
[12:19] <hweg162> is there any successor for grail? i checked http://bitmath.org/code/grail/ and the download links are dead
[12:23] <bregma> hweg162, there's https://launchpad.net/grail
[12:24] <bregma> it's packaged and available in the last few Ubuntu releases
[12:24] <hweg162> i know it's packaged. i just wondered if there is any development going on.
[12:25] <bregma> it's fairly mature at this point
[12:26] <hweg162> okay, i think i need to explain what i am doing :)
[12:26] <bregma> I'm not aware of any active development, but I could be mistaken
[12:26] <hweg162> i am testing multitouch capabilities on a samsung slate pc series 7
[12:26] <hweg162> with both ubuntu 12.04 and 12.10
[12:27] <hweg162> unity recognizes three finger gesture out of the box, giving the window move and resize handles
[12:28] <hweg162> but four fingers aren't recognized
[12:29] <bregma> you might want to verify the touch data coming from X (xinput -test-xi2) to make sure more than 3 touches are recognized
[12:30] <hweg162> so i need a way to debug this. i installed mtview and ran it. in mtview only two fingers are handled correctly. if i touch the display with three fingers it looks like random coordinates are reported from the hardware/driver/lib/whatever
[12:30] <bregma> sounds like a driver problem
[12:30] <hweg162> kernel driver or Xorg driver or...
[12:31] <bregma> mtview only talks to the kernel
[12:31] <hweg162> oh you are right. it opens /dev/input/event*
[12:32] <bregma> there are some newer tool in the evemu-tools package, let you capture data for later replay
[12:32] <hweg162> btw, i don't know under which circumstances mtview manages to grab that device. sometimes it's "cannot grab device" and sometimes it just works. each time run as root in X.
[12:33] <bregma> you're going to have trouble opening the device reliably while X is running
[12:33] <bregma> it works best from a text console
[12:33] <hweg162> but mtview needs X for displaying its window
[12:34] <bregma> yeah, pretty nasty, that catch-22
[12:34] <bregma> we haven't really used mtview since the XINPUT changes went in to the X server, grabbing the device
[12:34] <bregma> that's what the evemu tools are for
[12:35] <bregma> except they dump text data
[12:35] <hweg162> okay. so the wiki pages are simple outdated?
[12:35] <bregma> most likely
[12:36] <hweg162> okay. i'm gonna check the xinput -test-xi2 thing first
[12:37] <hweg162> so XI2 are multitouch event in Xorg?
[12:52] <hweg162> bregma: if xinput -test-xi2 reports RawTouchEnd and TouchEnd events, does that mean MT is basically working?
[13:18] <hweg162> it looks like xf86-input-multitouch (which isn't installed by default on ubuntu) has its own gesture recognition (instead of doing it with a library on evdev basis). is this driver deprecated?
[13:30] <bregma> hweg162, that driver was deprecated some time ago
[13:31] <hweg162> that's valuable info, thanks
[13:31] <bregma> unfortunately, I don;t know enough about the low-level protocols (evdev, etc) to help out much
[13:32] <bregma> the evdev events are documented, and the xinput events are documented, but not in one central place
[13:33] <hweg162> afaik the kernel delivers MT events using a specific protocol (mtdev?)
[13:42] <bregma> yes
[13:43] <bregma> there are a number of devices out there that do not implement the protocol correctly
[14:52] <hweg162> bregma: thanks again, bye
[14:52] <bregma> yw
[18:10] <LIDH> hello
[18:11] <LIDH> i need help configuring a PS/2 touchscreen device
[18:11] <LIDH> can't get it to be detected
[18:21] <bregma> does 'sudo lsinput' list anything that might remotely look like your input device?
[19:14] <LIDH> nope
[19:15] <LIDH> but i think i found a way to get it installed, problem is now i dont get image, because i created a new xorg.conf