 So it is not great.
[13:51] <frankchen_> WTF??
[13:52] <frankchen_> U think it's bad because it just use MP3 file??
[13:53] <Graf_Westerholt> frankchen_, right.
[13:54] <Graf_Westerholt> frankchen_, MP3 is outdated since 2002.
[13:55] <frankchen_> How about .flac and .m4a??
[13:55] <Graf_Westerholt> frankchen_, I do not not much about this, but I use only Vorbis.
[13:57] <frankchen_> where can i download music which is using ogg??
[13:58] <Graf_Westerholt> frankchen_, I do not know.
[13:59] <frankchen_> so....
[13:59] <frankchen_> hmm..
[14:00] <frankchen_> Cant play any music in amarok ,right ??
[14:00] <Graf_Westerholt> frankchen_, you can play musik in Amarok.
[14:14] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[14:17] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj
[14:20] <BluesKaj> Hey Graf_Westerholt
[16:54] <mparillo> https://freemusicarchive.org/about
[17:01] <melray> Hi everyone...I was setting up online account for ICQ and Messenger. They default to connect after creation. However this doesn't happen, and when I select the account and choose to configure it system settings crashes. Is this a known issue, and if so is there a workaround?
[19:38] <mrx1_> anyone managed to succesfuly run vnc4server with KDE?
[19:39] <nescius> hello, how do i set the display settings for my account as system wide?
[19:39] <mrx1_> after starting vnc session I get message box (graphical, from remote computer on which vnc4server is running): "We are sorry Plasma has stopped running"
[19:40] <mrx1_> and several other msg boxes with kdeinit and other kde* stuff
[19:41] <nescius> mrx1_: you can get some info in ~/.xsessionerrors (or something)
[19:45] <nescius> on the remote computer of course, find out whether kde starts on itself without the vnc, or it maybe caused by vnc initialising the kde somehow wrong
[19:46] <mrx1_> kde starts on itself when normally booting the computer and signing-in
[19:49] <nescius> ok, go read the .xsession-errors file in the users directory
[19:50] <mrx1_> i've tried to read it but there is a lot of errors, google returns nothing on most of them of course
[19:51] <mrx1_> tail -1000 of that file: http://pastebin.com/6apgF7Zn
[19:52] <nescius> i suggest to remove the file first, login again via vnc and read it again when recreated
[19:54] <mrx1_> nescius: this is just from starting vnc4server session, without trying to log in: http://pastebin.com/XKWcr7VE
[19:55] <mrx1_> i've seen on the internet that other people also had problems with plasma5, so maybe it's buggy or something
[19:56] <nescius> mrx1_: Unsupported screen format: depth: 16, red_mask: 3f, blue_mask: f800 https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-44147
[19:56] <nescius> not plasma, qt5, maybe could be fixed by playing with the vnc server a bit
[19:57] <mrx1_> meh :(
[19:57] <nescius> you can try nx server
[19:58] <nescius> it should be faster and less network intense than vnc and it worked for me very well, few years back
[19:58] <mrx1_> i think i will just install xfce and edit xstartup file of vnc4server to use it
[19:59] <nescius> hello, how do i set the display settings for my account as system wide?
[20:00] <nescius> as in prior login on kubuntu 15.10
[20:05] <imy> hello everybody
[20:06] <mrx1_> xfce4 is up and running through vnc, kde sucks ;)
[20:08] <nescius> mrx1_: i told you what is the problem, i tried to help you and i last thing I want to tell you is that you suck
[20:08] <mrx1_> lol :)
[20:09] <novo> hey, im trying to use telegram but it says im missing a manager named morse
[20:17] <soee> novo: how did you installed telegram ?
[20:18] <novo> at default im client there is an option to add a telegram account
[20:32] <Fritigern> novo: morse is completely missing from all repos. Might as well give up or use Pidgin
[20:34] <soee> or download Telegram client form their website :)
[20:35] <Fritigern> And of course, compile it yourself
[21:25] <Echo_> quit
[22:55] <novo> ye, i got the oficial client but wanted to try the other one


[00:01] <Bashing-om> rebooting for testing a command in the TTY environment .
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:03] <oerheks> hi lotus
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> hey oerheks
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> where is your O
[05:04] <oerheks> oh, didn' t bother to correct it
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> like it better
[05:05] <oerheks> with the big O ?
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> Oerheks
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[06:04] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> all good there EriC^^ ?
[06:05] <EriC^^> yup you?
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> yeah fine here
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> coffee & chill before work
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> !info firefox xenial
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> new logo
[06:18] <EriC^^> yeah firefox quantum
[06:19] <EriC^^> seems ok yeah?
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> yeah im testing it
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> love the loading tabs
[06:51] <sirru5h> Howdy Everyone
[06:51] <jink> Morning.
[06:51] <sirru5h> Hey there jink
[06:52] <sirru5h> Looks like we got firefox 57.0
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> hi jink
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> hi sirru5h
[06:54] <sirru5h> Hey there lotuspsychje how are you doing?
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/11/firefox-57-quantum-better-faster-stronger
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> great here sirru5h
[06:56] <sirru5h> I just hope it is better than 56 man I had a ton of trouble with that one
[07:01] <sirru5h> At one point i actually removed and reinstalled firefox it was so buggy, weird because it was fine on my ubuntu 17.04 machine
[07:02] <ducasse> good morning, all
[07:02] <sirru5h> Hey there ducasse
[07:03] <ducasse> \o sirru5h
[07:07] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:10] <ducasse> hi lordievader
[07:10] <ducasse> how are you guys?
[07:10] <lordievader> Hey ducasse (IRC)
[07:10] <lordievader> Doing good here, how are you?
[07:12] <jink> Met je rare nick-completion.
[07:12]  * lordievader blames weechat plugin
[07:12] <ducasse> doing well, still waking up :)
[07:12] <jink> lordievader: :P
[07:12] <jink> lordievader: Get a real IRC client, like irssi. ^__^
[07:13] <lordievader> That doesn't support Matrix.
[07:40] <jink> lordievader: wtf is Matrix?
[07:40] <lordievader> No need to swear... https://www.matrix.org/
[07:46] <ducasse> i set up a riot account, but haven't looked at it much - maybe i should...
[07:46] <lotuspsychje> hey lordievader & ducasse
[07:47] <ducasse> good morning lotuspsychje
[07:47] <ducasse> all well?
[07:47] <lotuspsychje> yeah, you?
[07:47] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: new phone tweaked already?
[07:48] <ducasse> still new things to play with :)
[07:50] <lotuspsychje> hmmz every time there's a new firefox it scrambles up my speed dial addon grr
[07:53] <lotuspsychje> and i dont like top websites, as less visited websites are also important
[07:59] <lotuspsychje> oh well, yet another speed dial addon for a change
[07:59] <lotuspsychje> until next version doesnt support it
[08:03] <ducasse> lets hope they don't change the addon stuff again in a while now
[08:05] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[08:12] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys work ; )
[08:12] <lotuspsychje> have a nice day
[08:21] <Bashing-om> !ping
[08:23] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje (IRC)
[08:23] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[08:24] <Bashing-om> Ouch . forum suddenly went down - hard !
[08:32] <Bashing-om>  .. back up ,, was not even able to ping :(
[08:40]  * Bashing-om done - eyes too heavy to maintain . good nite \o
[12:37] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:21] <Guest45412> hi
[15:39] <nicomachus> !info firefox
[15:39] <nicomachus> ayyyyy got that update
[16:07] <nicomachus> I guess I should get rid of that firefox-new ppa and revert to the repo version...
[16:31] <BluesKaj> trying out the new kde browser falkon ...reminds me of konqueror by the method used to import bookmarks .... impossible to figure out how to add them to the bookmarks toolbar ...so far it's got me beat..managed to import them, but adding them seems impossible
[16:35] <BluesKaj> the browser is nice tho, it doesn't buffer on some difficult sites due to my slow dsl connection
[16:36] <BluesKaj> buffer video that is
[19:41] <nicomachus> "there is no apt"
[19:41] <nicomachus> -_-
[19:56] <daftykins> o0
[20:54] <TJ-> nacc: can I sound you out on a theory regarding the sudo/nss issue from earlier?
[20:54] <nacc> TJ-: sure
[20:58] <TJ-> I think there may be a bug in the libnss-mdns .postinst script but I want a 2nd opinion. read "man nsswitch.conf", the section on the STATUS and ACTION, in particular for [NOTFOUND=return] ... do you agree "return" suggests no further lookups are done for that database (hosts in our case) e.g. if we have "hosts: mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns" it'll never reach 'dns' if 'hostname' was not found
[20:58] <TJ-> by mdns4_minimal?
[20:59] <TJ-> Because in /var/lib/dpkg/info/libnss-mdns:amd64.postinst it inserts that into the existing nsswitch.conf - I'd expect it to be "[NOTFOUND=continue]"
[21:00] <TJ-> which explains why jmft2 had  'hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns myhostname'
[21:00] <daftykins> :)
[21:03] <nacc> TJ-: makes sense, readinng still
[21:03] <TJ-> that doesn't explain why 'files' didn't get it from /etc/hosts (but I assume the default is read as "files [success=continue] or "files [success=merge]"
[21:03] <nacc> TJ-: also, [NOTFOUND=continue] appears to b the default
[21:04] <nacc> TJ-: so i'm not sure why the =return is there at all
[21:04] <TJ-> I'm trying to determine what the default status=action settings are; it's explained in the man page
[21:04] <nacc> TJ-: yep, that's what i'm reading now
[21:04] <nacc> looks to be
[21:04] <nacc> success=return
[21:04] <nacc> notfound=continue
[21:04] <TJ-> nacc: right, you'd expect it'd be [FOUND=return]
[21:04] <nacc> unavail=continue
[21:04] <TJ-> sorry, [success=return]
[21:04] <nacc> tryagain=continue
[21:04] <TJ-> yeah
[21:05] <daftykins> borked=callTJ
[21:05] <nacc> heh
[21:05] <daftykins> :>
[21:05] <TJ-> so, in principle, jmft2's entry with "files" first should have read /etc/hosts, found the entry that matched /etc/hostname, and done [success=return]
[21:05] <TJ-> but it seems like it may have done [success=continue] and then failed on a later look-up
[21:06] <TJ-> if it had reached 'dns' and that called systemd-resolve, then the hostname would have resolved correctly even offline - according to my tests in an 17.10 container when doing "ip link set down dev eth0"
[21:08] <nacc> TJ-: were youa ble to determine for sure that the hostname it was trying to resolve was the one in /etc/hosts?
[21:08] <nacc> TJ-: if that mismatched, for some reason, i could see it falling over to dns
[21:09] <nacc> TJ-: unfort. i think to get any debugging, yhou have to get all the LIBC debugging
[21:09] <TJ-> so... seems like 3 possibilities: 1) nsswitch.conf is being ignored/is corrupt 2) libnss-mdns .postinst script is inserting the wrong [STATUS=action] or 3) there's a bug in the internal glibc nss implementation in 17.10
[21:09] <nacc> TJ-: was this a regression for them on upgrade?
[21:09] <TJ-> fresh install so no idea
[21:09] <nacc> ok
[21:10] <TJ-> the user said they're going to install 16.04 so no ability to further debug it there
[21:10] <TJ-> seems to me there should be a unit-test for this someplace for offline lookups of local hostname
[21:13] <TJ-> grrr! would you believe, for an NSS module NSS_STATUS_NOTFOUND can have two meanings, depending on whether errorno is set to ENOENT or SUCCESS !
[21:13] <TJ-> reading https://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/NSS-Modules-Interface.html#NSS-Modules-Interface
[21:14] <nacc> TJ-: lol
[21:16] <TJ-> aha. default status=action options: https://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/Actions-in-the-NSS-configuration.html#Actions-in-the-NSS-configuration
[21:16] <TJ-> default is "notfound=continue"
[21:17] <TJ-> so that puts suspicion on libnss-mdns .postinst
[21:19] <TJ-> if the nsswitch.conf cannot be read for whatever reason the default is: "For the hosts and networks databases the default value is dns [!UNAVAIL=return] files"
[21:19] <TJ-> which could be what we were seeing - DNS *is* available so it's answer is definitive and 'files' is never used
[21:19] <nacc> yeah, so *possibly* you are getting a parse error?
[21:20] <nacc> and that is coming across as "nsswithc.conf cannnot be read" ?
[21:20] <TJ-> possibly... there were /r/n line endings in /etc/hosts, but the user said /etc/nsswitch.conf didn't have them
[21:20] <nacc> hrm
[21:20] <TJ-> nacc: could be... it's only read once on start-up anyhow
[21:21] <TJ-> oh wow, ouch! just had an apport dialog telling me that ycmd thing has crashed!
[21:21] <TJ-> weird since I've not got any vim sessions going
[21:23] <TJ-> i can't think of a way to prove nsswitch.conf get's read. it'll be too early to set an inotify watch on it, unless it gets read once per process rather than once per boot
[21:25] <TJ-> oh, it's fine, it's once per process. "inotifywait -m /etc/nsswitch.conf" works
[21:28] <nacc> TJ-: yeah, i think something inthe manpage says a given rpocess will only read it once
[21:28] <nacc> so it wo't see updates at runtime
[21:29] <TJ-> "sudo -i" and it reads twice; I assume once for sudo and once for $SHELL
[21:29] <TJ-> it does mean we can experiment by altering the file and re-running commands, rather than needing to reboot
[21:29] <nacc> yeah
[21:29] <TJ-> I've set up "inotifywait -m --timefmt "%H:%M:%S" --format "%T %e %f" /etc/nsswitch.conf" so I get timestamps
[21:30] <TJ-> it's being read but no indication if there's a parse error; not sure about how to detect that
[21:30] <TJ-> I suppose the only way is to write my own debug module of libnss and include it so it logs queries
[21:34] <TJ-> !info libnss-wrapper
[21:35] <TJ-> aha
[21:35] <nacc> fun :)
[21:36] <TJ-> fab: "LD_PRELOAD=libnss_wrapper.so  NSS_WRAPPER_HOSTS=/path/to/host ./myapplication"
[21:38] <TJ-> and it also supports NSS_WRAPPER_DEBUGLEVEL=ERROR|WARNING|DEBUG|TRACE
[21:38] <nacc> ah that's great
[21:39] <nacc> so somoene thought of it before :)
[21:39] <TJ-> it seems so; now I need to find a way to reproduce the original failure with sudo so I can use it!
[21:40] <nacc> yeah, i was wondering if you had a testcase already or not
[21:40] <TJ-> first test I guess is to change mdns4_minimal to [NOTFOUND=continue]
[21:41] <TJ-> I doubt it'll happen in a container so I'm trying a VM
[21:41] <nacc> yeah
[21:41] <nacc> and yeah, i think you'd need as close to a real machine env as possible
[21:41] <TJ-> I'll give that a shot in the morning
[21:42] <TJ-> apparently it was a fresh install of the desktop so it should be possible to recreate the same environment. The only thing I didn't find out was how the network was being configured.
[21:48] <TJ-> well B**** me!!! Bug #1295229
[21:49] <daftykins> Bind9? ;)
[21:50] <nacc> TJ-: interesting that it was filed so long ago
[21:50] <nacc> and no traction
[21:50] <nacc> i wonder why it's not seen more commonly
[21:51] <TJ-> I wonder if that's the bug that prompted [NOTFOUND=return] ... but the meaning of that was misunderstood and the maintainer meant to have it do [NOTFOUND=continue]
[21:52] <TJ-> oh, no, they show it in their description.
[21:52] <TJ-> nice; someones written me a testcase :)
[21:53] <TJ-> I'll test against 14.04 and 16.04 now I've seen that
[21:54] <TJ-> Tackle it tomorrow with some positive pointers


[00:12] <dvanstone> later fella's
[00:19] <LK> and THAT is why I want to ditch Windows >.<
[00:43] <cafejunkie> Quick question. What does GNOME use for sound that xfce (and lxde) does not? Had GNOME, installed xfce and lxde. Sound works fine in gnome not in the other two. ALSA settings OK, finds soundcard, nothing muted, pulseaudio is started and running
[00:44] <cafejunkie> I also tried eSound insted of pulseaudo, still nothing
[00:45] <charlie-tca> You have to turn it on in Xubuntu
[00:45] <charlie-tca> gnome does it by default
[00:45] <charlie-tca> !sound
[03:14] <mustafa> hi someone can help me?
[03:16] <psycho_oreos> !ask | mustafa
[03:16] <psycho_oreos> and again you have not told us what sort of dvdr is it
[03:17] <mustafa> ok ı am new and ı use x ubuntu my dvdr not working ı tried alot but didnt worked
[03:17] <mustafa> qsi dvdr
[03:19] <psycho_oreos> I presume it cannot read any type of discs you put in?
[03:20] <mustafa> yes
[03:20] <mustafa> no answer from it
[03:20] <mustafa> no signs
[03:21] <mustafa> how can ı know wheather it is installed or nor
[03:21] <mustafa> dev cdrom is empty
[03:23] <mustafa> is there a program that ı can seee the hardware of me which is installed on xubuntu
[03:23] <psycho_oreos> try doing ls -alh /dev/cdrom
[03:23] <mustafa> ı dont know if dvdr is installed or not
[03:24] <psycho_oreos> I don't know the GUI frontend but lshw comes in handy
[03:25] <mustafa> ls: cannot access /dev/cdrom: No such file or directory
[03:25] <psycho_oreos> most likely the device is not supported/detected
[03:26] <mustafa> description: IDE interface
[03:26] <mustafa>              product: 82801GBM/GHM (ICH7 Family) SATA IDE Controller
[03:26] <mustafa>              vendor: Intel Corporation
[03:26] <mustafa>              physical id: 1f.2
[03:26] <mustafa>              bus info: pci@0000:00:1f.2
[03:26] <mustafa>              version: 02
[03:26] <mustafa>              width: 32 bits
[03:26] <mustafa>              clock: 66MHz
[03:26] <mustafa>              capabilities: ide bus_master cap_list
[03:26] <mustafa>              configuration: driver=ata_piix latency=0
[03:26] <mustafa>              resources: irq:19 ioport:1f0(size=8) ioport:3f6 ioport:170(size=8) ioport:376 ioport:18b0(size=16)
[03:26] <mustafa>         *-serial UNCLAIMED
[03:26] <mustafa>              description: SMBus
[03:26] <mustafa>              product: N10/ICH 7 Family SMBus Controller
[03:26] <mustafa>              vendor: Intel Corporation
[03:26] <mustafa>              physical id: 1f.3
[03:26] <mustafa>              bus info: pci@0000:00:1f.3
[03:26] <mustafa>              version: 02
[03:26] <mustafa>              width: 32 bits
[03:26] <mustafa>              clock: 33MHz
[03:26] <mustafa>              configuration: latency=0
[03:26] <mustafa>              resources: ioport:18c0(size=32)
[03:26] <psycho_oreos> do not paste into the channel
[03:26] <mustafa> how can ı solve this proglem
[03:27] <psycho_oreos> !paste
[03:27] <psycho_oreos> and that was only a portion of the output
[03:28] <mustafa> what shall ı do now
[03:28] <psycho_oreos> which version of xubuntu are you running now?
[03:28] <mustafa> 10.10
[03:30] <psycho_oreos> well you haven't mentioned the model number of the dvdr device
[03:30] <mustafa> ı dont kno it hw can ı find it
[03:31] <psycho_oreos> you need to pastebin the output of lshw using sudo
[03:31] <mustafa> ı can look to the bios
[03:31] <psycho_oreos> there is no need to
[03:32] <mustafa> PCI
[03:32] <psycho_oreos> pci is not the model number
[03:34] <mustafa> I KNOW BUT A VERY BİG LİST I CANT FND İT
[03:34] <mustafa> SORRY
[03:34] <psycho_oreos> !caps | mustafa
[03:35] <psycho_oreos> and like I said, paste your output of lshw into pastebin, then paste me the link
[03:35] <mustafa> ok
[03:36] <mustafa> Paste from mustafa at Wed, 22 Dec 2010 22:36:34 +1000
[03:36] <mustafa> is it ok ım new
[03:37] <psycho_oreos> I need the link to the pastebin link
[03:37] <psycho_oreos> the one that you pasted
[03:38] <mustafa> ı cant make it
[03:39] <mustafa> can ı paste here
[03:39] <psycho_oreos> only the link, not the output
[03:39] <psycho_oreos> the link should be available in the address bar
[03:40] <mustafa> it want s an account
[03:40] <mustafa> can you wait
[03:40] <mustafa> for a while
[03:42] <psycho_oreos> no pastebin should ask for an account, the account creation is optional
[03:43] <mustafa> sory
[03:45] <mustafa> Paste from mustafa at Thu, 23 Dec 2010 03:44:45 +0100
[03:45] <mustafa> just this
[03:46] <psycho_oreos> that isn't useful, that is not a link
[03:46] <mustafa> nothing else happens
[03:46] <psycho_oreos> which website did you use?
[03:46] <mustafa> paste ubuntu . com
[03:47] <freebird> i have a freash install and during boot its saying that kernal isn't found and then finishes boot any ideals ?
[03:48] <psycho_oreos> when you hit paste, notice how the link in the address bar changes, paste the link from the address bar into the channel
[03:48] <mustafa> ok
[03:48] <mustafa> http://paste.ubuntu.com/546807/
[03:48] <mustafa> ok
[03:50] <mustafa> ı have a girl and she is upset she cant watch cartoons :D
[03:51] <freebird> is any techies online
[03:52] <psycho_oreos> the cdrom device isn't even detected via lshw, it might even be externally connected or might not be powered on due to acpi restrictions
[03:52] <psycho_oreos> freebird, which version of xubuntu?
[03:52] <mustafa> it is connected
[03:52] <freebird> psycho_oreos, 10.10
[03:53] <mustafa> acpi restrictions how can be done :D,
[03:53] <psycho_oreos> mustafa, connected how? via usb?
[03:53] <mustafa> via
[03:53] <mustafa> in the laptop
[03:53] <freebird> psycho_oreos,  ty for replying
[03:53] <psycho_oreos> freebird, weird, kernel isn't found could mean that there was something wrong with the installation
[03:53] <psycho_oreos> nw
[03:54] <freebird> knome,  hey bro
[03:54] <psycho_oreos> mustafa, well according to lshw output the dvdr device isn't detected
[03:54] <mustafa> what shall ı do
[03:54] <psycho_oreos> mustafa, try to use another laptop/computer or some external dvd drive
[03:55] <mustafa> it works in wista
[03:55] <psycho_oreos> there might be an option of disabling acpi via grub
[03:55] <freebird> psycho_oreos,  thats what i thought i redid it 3 times and it does same thing i'm mind boggled about if kernal not there it shouldn't boot
[03:55] <freebird> reformatted
[03:56] <mustafa> it works everywhere but not in xubuntu
[03:56] <mustafa> do ı have to buy onother dvdr
[03:56] <psycho_oreos> freebird, well, if grub is installed, you get grub bootloader that's standard process, but for kernel to go missing could either mean it wasn't installed properly or somehow grub got the wrong config line for kernel
[03:56] <psycho_oreos> mustafa, you could try disabling acpi to see if it helps
[03:56] <mustafa> how can ı disable it
[03:57] <psycho_oreos> you need to edit the grub.cfg file iirc and append noacpi into kernel line
[03:57] <mustafa> ok
[03:57] <freebird> ok i'll google how to do that
[03:57] <mustafa> can you write this
[03:57] <mustafa> in terminal
[03:57] <freebird> psycho_oreos,  ty
[03:58] <mustafa> massage
[03:58] <psycho_oreos> freebird, nw
[03:58] <mustafa> sudo gedit grup.cfg iüs ok :D
[03:59] <psycho_oreos> its not grup.cfg
[03:59] <psycho_oreos> and it sits in a different location: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[04:00] <mustafa> can you write it to me
[04:02] <psycho_oreos> ...
[04:04] <mustafa> ı cant find
[04:05] <mustafa> sudo gedit iirc
[04:05] <mustafa> what shall ı write
[04:07] <mustafa> are you ther
[04:09] <mustafa> its closed in bios?
[04:11] <mustafa> ı will re boot to close it in bios
[04:11] <psycho_oreos> its got nothing to do with bios
[04:11] <mustafa> on the net it says so
[04:12] <mustafa> what do ı have to do
[04:13] <psycho_oreos> give the online suggestion a try into disabling acpi via bios and if that doesn't work, disable it via linux kernel
[04:14] <mustafa> thanks
[04:14] <mustafa> but
[04:14] <mustafa> ı cant disable it
[04:14] <mustafa> ım new
[04:15] <mustafa> pls write the terminal words for it
[04:15] <psycho_oreos> saying that you're new isn't going to get you anywhere, what I would do is to start reading the link I posted before in regards to grub2
[04:16] <psycho_oreos> or if you want a fuss free way, get an external dvd drive
[04:16] <mustafa> ı readed it but it is very complicated
[04:17] <mustafa> ı think you wont help me any more
[04:17] <mustafa> thanks for your help good night
[05:34] <saintly> hello all
[06:40] <cinmoon> the 248GB NTFS partition my raw disk image only has about 20GB used, but gparted is only letting me shave off 10MB. I'd like it down to 100GB.
[07:34] <xubuntu112> hi all
[08:47] <Sysi> cinmoon: it's propably fragmented
[11:44] <MorphixNW> can anyone recommend a good distribution thing, that I can dedicate usage of a computer too?
[11:44] <MorphixNW> the ones where they use the idle time to work on new stuff
[11:46] <well_laid_lawn> something like folding@home ?
[11:48] <MorphixNW> not following you bud
[11:48] <Sysi> boinc?
[11:48] <MorphixNW> yes
[11:49] <Sysi> just pick one
[11:49] <Sysi> renderfarm or something
[11:49] <MorphixNW> there are so many, I want it to be a good cause :)
[11:50] <Sysi> "good" is dependant on you
[11:50] <MorphixNW> not really lol
[11:50] <Sysi> it is
[11:50] <MorphixNW> but yeah, but you know what I mean
[11:51] <Sysi> xubuntu is low-spwc thing, we don't know how to led extra we don't have :P
[11:51] <MorphixNW> is there no xubuntu thing I can dedicate it too?
[12:00] <well_laid_lawn> a list of boinc projects - http://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php
[12:47] <Ycarene> I'm trying to install xubuntu on a machine, it boots to the cd and presents me with a menu, I can navigate it, but nothing happens when I press enter, enter works in other parts of the menu like language selection though.
[12:54] <MorphixNW> what socket type would a P4 Dual Core be?
[12:57] <Sysi> pentium 4 dualcore? WTF
[12:58] <well_laid_lawn> that's the pentium D iirc so it is socket 775
[13:01] <MorphixNW> ty
[13:01] <MorphixNW> 775 is right :)
[13:02] <MorphixNW> is it possible to get a 775 board that will take DDR3?
[13:02] <well_laid_lawn> I doubt it
[13:05] <Sysi> Ycarene: for how long? have you tried couple times and and checked the cd
[13:06] <Ycarene> Yeah, the cd works fine of a different machine.
[13:06] <Ycarene> I'm trying to set up a "new" machine that I've acquired.
[13:06] <Ycarene> It's probably the computer, but I wanted to see if there was a known issue first before scrapping the project.
[13:07] <well_laid_lawn> checked it using a different live cd?
[13:07] <Ycarene> I could try an arch linux cd I have laying around, one sec.
[13:08] <well_laid_lawn> woot Archlinux :)
[13:56] <MorphixNW> will xubuntu 10.10 run well on: AMD Barton 2500+ and 1.25GB DDR RAM?
[13:56] <MorphixNW> better or worse than: Intel C700 1.6Ghz and 1GB DDR2 RAM?
[14:00] <MorphixNW> is there any bench marking software out there?
[14:00] <well_laid_lawn> my guess is it would be better
[14:01] <charlie-tca> should run well on either one of those
[14:02] <MorphixNW> I am currently running on the later spec'd so
[14:02] <MorphixNW> but I have the parts for the first spec'd just laying around
[14:03] <MorphixNW> but its the AMD vs INTEL question and the difference not only in the amount of RAM but the different types of RAM also
[14:05] <MorphixNW> I want to do something really crazy lol, I have too much time and too many parts just laying idle, I need a project that is just whacky :)
[14:06] <Sysi> gentoo
[14:06] <MorphixNW> gentoo? I heard the name but thats about it
[14:06] <MorphixNW> !gentoo
[14:07] <Sysi> they have great installation manual, tens of pages. Already sorry for offtopic
[14:12] <MorphixNW> offtopic a tad, but its dead in here.... still sitting waiting a question :)
[14:21] <MorphixNW> Sysi: how would gentoo be a crazy project?
[14:22] <Sysi> see that installation manual
[14:44] <knome> MorphixNW, start working with xfce :P
[14:46] <Sysi> WoW :D (wouldn't run on that)
[14:46] <charlie-tca> :-)
[15:09] <MorphixNW> I have been googling without much success.... I am looking for a good guide to help me install ubuntu from usb
[15:09] <Sysi> menu -> system → create starup disk
[15:09] <Sysi> *startup
[15:11] <MorphixNW> awesome thats what I wanted to hear
[15:11] <MorphixNW> hmmm only I dont have that option in System
[15:12] <MorphixNW> sorry, yes I do its just called something slightly different
[15:12] <MorphixNW> "Startup Disk Creator"
[15:13] <charlie-tca> There is also http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/ubuntu-from-your-flash-drive-easier-than-ever-before/
[15:14] <MorphixNW> charlie-tca: perfect thank you
[15:26] <ShootEmUp> hello
[15:26] <MorphixNW> hey ShootEmUp
[15:26] <ShootEmUp> whats up?
[15:26] <MorphixNW> not much
[15:26] <MorphixNW> working on another ubuntu machine
[15:27] <ShootEmUp> Cool, whatcha going to do to it?
[15:27] <MorphixNW> I have an old HP Compaq IPAQ Desktop
[15:27] <ShootEmUp> specs?
[15:27] <MorphixNW> PIII 1000Mhz and 512MB SDRAM
[15:28] <ShootEmUp> yup, right on the borderline between ubuntu & xubuntu
[15:28] <MorphixNW> it had a Celeron 700 in it earlier, but I got tons of parts so I beefed it up some
[15:28] <ShootEmUp> you could go either way with no problems
[15:28] <MorphixNW> well I am heading for Xubuntu-Alternative-10.10
[15:29] <ShootEmUp> good idea
[15:29] <MorphixNW> :)
[15:29] <ShootEmUp> what kind of internet? wireless or wired>
[15:29] <MorphixNW> wired
[15:29] <MorphixNW> so should be a breeze
[15:30] <MorphixNW> onboard NIC, Video and Sound
[15:30] <ShootEmUp> yup, only thing is video card. should work but they do have issues sometimes
[15:30] <ShootEmUp> scrach that
[15:30] <MorphixNW> if this "startup disk creator" turns out as easy as it should, well, I got lots more machine to bring back to life
[15:31] <ShootEmUp> you installing via USB drive?
[15:31] <MorphixNW> yes, no CDROM
[15:32] <MorphixNW> problems with that method?
[15:32] <ShootEmUp> Okay, just make sure it can, My can but you have to go to the boot selector to do it
[15:32] <MorphixNW> hmm good point
[15:32] <MorphixNW> havent checked that yet
[15:32] <ShootEmUp> Does it have a floppy drive?
[15:33] <MorphixNW> nope, once upon a time it had a CDROM, but it was none standard (laptop drive) so the connector is not IDE
[15:33] <dr4c4n> usb?
[15:34] <MorphixNW> yes
[15:34] <dr4c4n> put the distro on a usb key and boot :D
[15:34] <ShootEmUp> What OS is on it right now?
[15:34] <dr4c4n> ah.. someone else pointed that out above me, my bad
[15:34] <MorphixNW> none
[15:35] <MorphixNW> currently no OS
[15:35] <ShootEmUp> yeah some BIOSs can't boot from USB
[15:35] <MorphixNW> I got a four screen setup, but currently only one working :)
[15:35] <ShootEmUp> depends really
[15:35] <MorphixNW> I want them all to do something
[15:36] <ShootEmUp> 4 screens!?! what are you going to do with 4 screens
[15:36] <dr4c4n> MorphixNW: collaborative or individual something(s)
[15:36] <MorphixNW> yes it can boot from usb device
[15:36] <ShootEmUp> sweet, your good to go
[15:36] <MorphixNW> dr4c4n: not decided yet
[15:36] <MorphixNW> I have the hardware for either
[15:36] <dr4c4n> sweet, did u get that pos touchscreen working?
[15:37] <MorphixNW> nope
[15:37] <dr4c4n> how many toys u got ;) lol.. just kidding
[15:37] <MorphixNW> would really love that working as it would cut down the amount of mice/kbs
[15:37] <dr4c4n> I think it's great you are setting them all up
[15:37] <MorphixNW> I got way too much stuff mate
[15:37] <ShootEmUp> me to
[15:37] <MorphixNW> I cant bin working parts so :)
[15:38] <dr4c4n> shall I post my mail drop?? parts are welcome ;)
[15:38] <MorphixNW> I will turn one into a SmoothWall
[15:38] <dr4c4n> smoothwall?
[15:38] <ShootEmUp> ??
[15:38] <MorphixNW> dedicated firewall
[15:38] <MorphixNW> www.smoothwall.org
[15:38] <ShootEmUp> Ahh
[15:38] <dr4c4n> sweet thx 4 the link
[15:38] <MorphixNW> anytime
[15:38] <MorphixNW> and I think possibly a FreeNAS box too
[15:39] <MorphixNW> and maybe even a FreePBX
[15:39] <dr4c4n> woot.. connected and well boxed
[15:39] <MorphixNW> maybe I could run a free opensource VOIP service :P
[15:39] <MorphixNW> people ask me why I do all this and have so much stuff, my answer is always "WHY NOT?" :P
[15:40] <ShootEmUp> exactly
[15:40] <dr4c4n> precisely
[15:40] <MorphixNW> what you guys think of a ubuntu voip service of some kind? is that even possible?
[15:40] <ShootEmUp> yeah
[15:40] <dr4c4n> sip?
[15:41] <ShootEmUp> he could host a TS3 server
[15:41] <MorphixNW> would there be a call/need for such a thing
[15:41] <MorphixNW> sip maybe yeah
[15:41] <MorphixNW> would be nice to host something useful and used by others, could even turn into a project of its own
[15:41] <dr4c4n> sounds kewl
[15:42] <ShootEmUp> sound awesome
[15:42] <MorphixNW> I have the drive to do this stuff, but my knowledge of ubuntu is all new and not very deep yet lol
[15:42] <MorphixNW> I have the time and resources
[15:43] <ShootEmUp> thats what these IRCs are for
[15:43] <ShootEmUp> To help peoples knowlage
[15:43] <MorphixNW> :)
[15:43] <MorphixNW> so where would one start with a ubuntu SIP server?
[15:44] <ShootEmUp> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=825040
[15:44] <MorphixNW> I have a couple of Compaq Proliant Dual CPU Servers
[15:44] <dr4c4n> http://www.opensips.org/
[15:45] <ShootEmUp> http://tinyurl.com/2v5esgn
[15:45] <dr4c4n> lol @ ShootEmUp
[15:46] <dr4c4n> nice link. btw it's funny how some results are different from different areas for different ppl now
[15:46] <MorphixNW> very true
[15:46] <ShootEmUp> thought It would help
[15:46] <dr4c4n> I gotta get back to werk ttyl, good luck setting up all ur bits n' bobs MorphixNW
[15:47] <ShootEmUp> ttyl
[15:47] <MorphixNW> ok thank you dr4c4n
[15:47] <ShootEmUp> opensips.org seems like a good site
[15:48] <ShootEmUp> you should look into it
[15:48] <MorphixNW> is it strange too know that "sudo apt-get install asterisk" works?
[15:48] <ShootEmUp> whats it do?
[15:48] <MorphixNW> asterisk pbx
[15:49] <ShootEmUp> !asterisk
[15:49] <ShootEmUp> ubottu knows nothing
[15:49] <well_laid_lawn> !info asterisk
[15:49] <MorphixNW> http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.asterisk.org%2F&rct=j&q=asteriskpbx&ei=eW8TTcPeB8-xhAf73Y23Dg&usg=AFQjCNFP6oMYWBGTVuYj-askh0LA_wUM1w&cad=rja
[15:49] <MorphixNW> yuk what a messes link sorry
[15:49] <MorphixNW> http://www.asterisk.org/
[15:49] <ShootEmUp> thanks well_laid_lawn
[15:50] <well_laid_lawn> heh np :)
[15:50] <MorphixNW> what you reckon ShootEmUp?
[15:51] <MorphixNW> ah what the heck, ill let it do the install :)
[15:51] <MorphixNW> how bad can it be lol
[15:51] <MorphixNW> its in the repos
[15:51] <ShootEmUp> can't hurt
[15:51] <MorphixNW> too much ;)
[15:52] <ShootEmUp> IDK, this is not my area of expertese
[15:52] <MorphixNW> nor mine
[15:52] <MorphixNW> new ground is always good
[15:52] <ShootEmUp> true
[15:52] <MorphixNW> otherwise we would all be using Bindows lol
[15:53] <ShootEmUp> ain't that the truth
[15:53] <MorphixNW> anyone know when 11.04 will be release?
[15:53] <ShootEmUp> apirl 2011
[15:53] <MorphixNW> sounds good
[15:53] <MorphixNW> is it possible to upgrade without a reinstall?
[15:53] <ShootEmUp> yes
[15:54] <MorphixNW> dangerous or?
[15:54] <ShootEmUp> warrning!! it can break your ubuntu
[15:54] <ShootEmUp> cause errors
[15:54] <Sysi> it *should* not
[15:54] <ShootEmUp> not destroy any thing, but screw up your system
[15:55] <Sysi> but yes, it can
[15:55] <ShootEmUp> what he said
[15:55] <MorphixNW> lol
[15:55] <MorphixNW> hmmm
[15:56] <MorphixNW> good backup util?
[15:56] <ShootEmUp> "The Ubuntu 11.04 is the 14th release of Â Ubuntu. Natty Narwhal shall be released on 28 th April, the coming year 2011."
[15:56] <ShootEmUp> found it finaly
[15:56] <ShootEmUp> http://tipsneeded.com/ubuntu-11-04-release-date/
[15:57] <MorphixNW> anyone know of a decent backup utility?
[15:57] <Sysi> cp -a
[15:57] <Sysi> rsync
[15:57] <ShootEmUp> QtDSync for GUI people
[15:58] <ShootEmUp> backup to internet? or to differant hard disk?
[15:58] <Sysi> Qt sounds kde-program
[15:58] <MorphixNW> thanks guys
[15:58] <ShootEmUp> IDK if its in the repos
[15:59] <ShootEmUp> Its not, so try something else first
[16:00] <ShootEmUp> !info gtkrsync
[16:02] <ShootEmUp> rsync is the best backup tool
[16:02] <ShootEmUp> but is command line
[16:02] <Sysi> it doesn't mean hard
[16:03] <MorphixNW> anyone got a board with lots RAM slots? DDR
[16:04] <MorphixNW> i got a whole stack of 128MB DDR strips
[16:05] <ShootEmUp> nope
[16:05] <charlie-tca> I already have too many
[16:06] <MorphixNW> lol me too
[16:06] <ShootEmUp> I tell you what you should do with your spare computer parts, build a File/Printer server for your house
[16:07] <ShootEmUp> file and printer share across your house
[16:07] <MorphixNW> I got one of those
[16:07] <ShootEmUp> ok
[16:07] <MorphixNW> ;)
[16:07] <ShootEmUp> :-(
[16:07] <MorphixNW> next is a firewall
[16:07] <MorphixNW> maybe a freenas
[16:08] <MorphixNW> I have a Compaq Proliant PL800 (true server) that is not in use, I think that will be the freenas as I have a Compaq Drive Array as well
[16:11] <MorphixNW> hmmm this machine isnt likking the idea of a usb boot
[16:11] <oCatacoo> Morphix what is up?
[16:12] <oCatacoo> Morphix why would the machine likk
[16:13] <ShootEmUp> Not booting?
[16:13] <MorphixNW> nope
[16:13] <MorphixNW> ignoring it
[16:13] <ShootEmUp> you set it up right?
[16:14] <oCatacoo> what is the machine spec
[16:14] <ShootEmUp> you know how to get into your BIOS settings?
[16:14] <MorphixNW> clearly not lol
[16:14] <MorphixNW> I can bring up the boot menu
[16:14] <MorphixNW> and choose usb
[16:14] <MorphixNW> but nothing after that
[16:15] <oCatacoo> what machine spec
[16:15] <MorphixNW> PIII 1Ghz, 512MB
[16:15] <ShootEmUp> I guess you should try UNetBootIn
[16:15] <oCatacoo> bios
[16:16] <MorphixNW> ?
[16:16] <oCatacoo> ?io
[16:16] <ShootEmUp> do you have a windows computer?
[16:16] <ShootEmUp> !info unetbootin
[16:17] <ShootEmUp> ohh didn't it was for linux to
[16:17] <charlie-tca> um, yes, we don't recommend anything be done through windows, if we can help it.
[16:18] <ShootEmUp> if you are using the alternate install CD to make the USB, you might have problems because of that
[16:18] <MorphixNW> how so?
[16:18] <ShootEmUp> Live CDs work better
[16:18] <Sysi> alternate disks work differently
[16:18] <oCatacoo> sticks are more versitile
[16:19] <ShootEmUp> atleast with UNetbootin
[16:19] <Sysi> they do the installation in a bit different way
[16:19] <ShootEmUp> exactly
[16:20] <MorphixNW> great so now I have to download another big file
[16:21] <oCatacoo> Morphix what are you downloading it on a phone?
[16:22] <MorphixNW> not all all no. broadband
[16:22] <oCatacoo> low disc space?
[16:24] <MorphixNW> nope, just that I have only just downloaded the alternate install
[16:24] <MorphixNW> more of pain rather than a problem
[16:24] <oCatacoo> well that happens
[16:24] <MorphixNW> ok download is done
[16:24] <ShootEmUp> sorry, should hve told you it might not work.
[16:25] <MorphixNW> dont stress :)
[16:25] <ShootEmUp> I didn't think of it
[16:25] <MorphixNW> now back to the "startup disk creator"
[16:25] <ShootEmUp> yup
[16:25] <ShootEmUp> should work now
[16:25] <MorphixNW> learnt how not too do it if nothing else hahahaha
[16:25] <MorphixNW> :)
[16:26] <jeward> Is there an easy way to list th proprietary drivers installed?
[16:26] <oCatacoo> net installs are fairly simplified these days
[16:27] <MorphixNW> does anyone know if ubuntu would care if I told devede to work on a file that is on another machines hdd? so long as it could see it and has permissions etc
[16:27] <ShootEmUp> maybe, depends if its a ext* drive
[16:27] <MorphixNW> would be the same on both machines
[16:27] <MorphixNW> ext2 probably
[16:28] <ShootEmUp> ok, you shouldn't have a problem
[16:28] <oCatacoo> wahwah ext2
[16:28] <charlie-tca> jeward: since they are now mostly in the kernel, no
[16:28] <MorphixNW> I want one machine to do one task and drop the completed file onto another machine, that machine then works on it and drops the completed file onto a third machine, the third would then complete the job
[16:29] <MorphixNW> so that one machine doesnt have to do all three jobs
[16:29] <ShootEmUp> you could probably write a script for that
[16:30] <MorphixNW> hmmmm
[16:30] <ShootEmUp> but thats out of my field
[16:30] <oCatacoo> Morhix would 1 be a serv and the 2nd a client
[16:30] <MorphixNW> would be nice to make it work like a production line that is somewhat automated, but its not my field either
[16:32] <ShootEmUp> you could make a script that waits for a file to be made, then preforms actions, then sends it to the next computer
[16:32] <MorphixNW> hmmm
[16:32] <MorphixNW> ShootEmUp: you in #xubuntu-offtopic?
[16:40] <MorphixNW> anyone had an success with a USB to VGA adapter on ubuntu?
[16:40] <ShootEmUp> nope
[16:41] <charlie-tca> they have such a thing?
[16:42] <ShootEmUp> I've herd of USB monitors, but not USB toVGA adaptors
[16:43] <Morphix> arhhhh i got disconnected, but why does my username still up?
[16:43] <Sysi> ping timelimit
[16:43] <TheSheep> Morphix: that's called a ghost, freenode.net has a section on that in the faq
[16:44] <ShootEmUp> ask charlie-tca to kick your old name
[16:44] <TheSheep> Morphix: basically the server doesn't know yet that you disconnected
[16:44] <Morphix> oh ok
[16:45] <TheSheep> and now he left XD
[16:46] <ShootEmUp> YAY!
[16:46] <MorphixNW> woot
[16:46] <MorphixNW> man this format operation is taking its sweet merry time
[16:49] <ShootEmUp> they do
[16:49] <ShootEmUp> what you using to do it with? gparted?
[16:50] <MorphixNW> yeah
[16:53] <ShootEmUp> what % is it at?
[16:54] <MorphixNW> doesnt say
[16:54] <ShootEmUp> oh ok
[16:54] <MorphixNW> just operation 0 of 1 completed
[16:55] <charlie-tca> My 400GB drives take a very long time to run that, too
[16:56] <MorphixNW> wow hope I never have to format my 1TB then
[16:56] <MorphixNW> its just completed so :)
[16:56]  * charlie-tca defines very long in more than minutes, too
[16:56] <ShootEmUp> that took awile
[16:58] <ShootEmUp> you gonna install now?
[16:58] <MorphixNW> well now the startup disk creator doesnt like the drive
[16:59] <MorphixNW> gonna grab another one
[16:59] <oCatacoo> MorphixNW what tool are / did you use to form at
[17:00] <ShootEmUp> he used gparted
[17:00] <nirazio> In GNOME, I know you can do this by right-clicking the panel, clicking properties, then going to the Background tab and selecting "Solid Color" and then full transparency.  But in Xubuntu, there's no option for this. How would I achieve the same effect on Xubuntu?
[17:01] <oCatacoo> Shoot Em is that compatable with all drives
[17:02] <charlie-tca> nirazio: changing the theme file itself. There is no option for that
[17:02] <ShootEmUp> Its not good with RAIDs or Dynamic drives
[17:02] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: does it even work?
[17:02] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: last time I checked, the plugins had its own background
[17:03] <charlie-tca> As far as I know, by re-writing the gtk theme, yes
[17:03] <ShootEmUp> oCatacoo, if you don't know what they are odds are you are not using them
[17:03] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: theme or theme engine?
[17:03] <charlie-tca> theme itself
[17:03] <oCatacoo> odd are off
[17:03] <charlie-tca> for the panel, not the plugins
[17:03] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: if theme, then you don't need to rewrite it, you just add the lines to .gtkrc-2.0
[17:03] <charlie-tca> maybe, I don't know
[17:04] <TheSheep> let me try
[17:05] <charlie-tca> You could also do it with window Manager Tweaks, compositor, couldn't you?
[17:05] <MorphixNW> how do I install gnome task manager? someone told me a few days ago, but I forget the name
[17:05] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: no, that will make the whole panel transparent, with icons and all
[17:06] <oCatacoo> Shoot Em I got a 64mb drive that weighs close to 60# wonder if gnome partition editor can help
[17:06] <ShootEmUp> 64MB, or 64GB
[17:06] <ShootEmUp> ?
[17:07] <MorphixNW> hmm it seems that this thing has made a mess of my external drives
[17:08] <ShootEmUp> !info gnome-task-manager
[17:09] <oCatacoo> Shoot Em 64Mb
[17:09] <ShootEmUp> gparted should work just fine
[17:09] <charlie-tca> MorphixNW: sudo apt-get install gnome-system-monitor
[17:10] <ShootEmUp> !info gnome-system-monitor
[17:10] <oCatacoo> I will try later when I am boared
[17:10] <MorphixNW> thank Charlie-tca
[17:12] <oCatacoo> gotta jet
[17:13] <oCatacoo> C Ya
[17:13] <MorphixNW> for some reason my system is now failing to mount drives
[17:13] <ShootEmUp> ttyl
[17:13] <MorphixNW> saying volumes are locked
[17:13] <ShootEmUp> are they mounted?
[17:13] <MorphixNW> yes I can see the icon
[17:13] <ShootEmUp> unmount them
[17:14] <MorphixNW> hmm not mounted even though I can see the icon
[17:14] <MorphixNW> I have mount option
[17:14] <ShootEmUp> in gparted, right click on the drive you want to edit. then select unmount
[17:18] <ShootEmUp> MorphixNW, did it work?
[17:18] <MorphixNW> hang on.... gparted not loading lol
[17:18] <ShootEmUp> ohh ok
[17:22] <MorphixNW> ok its working now
[17:22] <MorphixNW> I cant unmount, its not mounted
[17:23] <ShootEmUp> ok
[17:23] <ShootEmUp> I gotta go now
[17:23] <MorphixNW> ok chow
[17:23] <ShootEmUp> ttyl everyone
[17:33] <robertzaccour> in xfce i have mic static problems, don't have this issue in gnome. any ideas?
[17:36] <robertzaccour> in xfce i have mic static problems, don't have this issue in gnome. any ideas?
[17:40] <charlie-tca> !patience | robertzaccour
[17:41] <robertzaccour> charlie-tca, i saw that jk_ entered after i asked the first time. maybe he could help? just a thought. no need to go all infobot columed on me haha
[17:41] <charlie-tca> no need to ask for each person entering either
[17:42] <robertzaccour> charlie-tca, i can see i'm interrupting very congested chat conversation. right...
[17:43] <MorphixNW> only thing I could suggest is that the two use different drivers
[17:44] <robertzaccour> MorphixNW, thanks. i thought that might be it. i'm gonna try a couple more things, might revert back to gnome i dunno
[17:45] <MorphixNW> could try simply changing the sound system maybe?
[17:47] <robertzaccour> MorphixNW, yeah, about to try pulseaudio
[17:47] <MorphixNW> hmmm that is resource hungry
[17:49] <MorphixNW> oss or alsa maybe
[17:50] <MorphixNW> I am gonna go eat ttyl
[17:51] <robertzaccour> MorphixNW, pulseaudio only had master in the volume selection, guess that wouldn't be it
[17:51] <robertzaccour> oh well
[17:51] <robertzaccour> ok later MorphixNW have fun be good :)
[18:10] <MorphixNW> hey
[18:10] <MorphixNW> I am having real trouble with "Startup Disk Creator"
[18:26] <MorphixNW> I trying to use "startup disk creator" however, I keep getting error when selecting the drive to use "org.freedesktop.UDisks,Error.Inhibited: Deamon is inhibited"
[18:27] <MorphixNW> apparently that means that the disk needs to be aurthurised, how on earth do I do that?
[18:49] <MorphixNW> Yeah that is what the error means, why cant it just say that tho?
[18:50] <MorphixNW> also it would be good for guides to warn about encrypted systems, that drives need to be connected before the passphase is entered
[18:50] <MorphixNW> I had no idea that this was the case, but only by chance did I think to try it
[18:51] <charlie-tca> and how would it know to decrypt that drive if it is not there when authorizing it/
[18:51] <charlie-tca> ? ;-)
[18:52] <MorphixNW> well it knew it was protected. it could of stated that than a load of bumf that means nothing
[18:52] <MorphixNW> if it can tell me that msg "org.freedesktop.UDisks,Error.Inhibited: Deamon is inhibited"" I would expect a better output to be shown to the user
[18:54] <MorphixNW> I think these are probably the reason why more less knowledgable users wont ever convert
[18:54] <MorphixNW> because you need to be an expert to even think about sorting even the most basic of problems
[18:55] <MorphixNW> hate to say it, but it is more clearly now why MS have cornered the global
[18:55] <MorphixNW> the interface is light years ahead of the rest
[18:55] <MorphixNW> excluding maybe OS X >
[18:57] <well_laid_lawn> you could ask for the money you spent on xubuntu to be refunded if you want...
[18:57] <MorphixNW> lmfao
[18:57] <MorphixNW> I love it I really do, but its a pain in the behind
[18:58] <MorphixNW> I cant imagine how a regular user like my mum would cope
[18:58] <MorphixNW> I think there are some "in your face" things that need to be looked at IMHO
[18:59] <MorphixNW> I know it works if you know how, but what about when you dont?
[18:59] <MorphixNW> needs to be more intuitive
[18:59] <MorphixNW> and defo needs to throw out better error messages
[19:00] <MorphixNW> I mean I spent 2hrs+ trying to create a startup disk, when it needed to tell me was "I cant access the drive you muppet" and I would of fixed it in seconds
[19:01] <charlie-tca> Are you saying Microsoft now tells you when the missing encrypted drive is not plugged in?
[19:01] <Psilocybin_Elf> Most newbie users introduced to Xubuntu say it's easier to use than Windows.
[19:01] <MorphixNW> the external drive is not encrypted, but my system is
[19:02] <charlie-tca> Most new users are not unplugging their drives, either
[19:02] <well_laid_lawn> heh
[19:02] <MorphixNW> so yeah I expect it to say something like "I cannot access that drive" "access denied" anything other then something silly like ""org.freedesktop.UDisks,Error.Inhibited: Deamon is inhibited"
[19:02] <MorphixNW> so most users never unplug and external drive do they not?
[19:02] <MorphixNW> silly thing to say
[19:02] <charlie-tca> "new users"
[19:03] <MorphixNW> new users are will push things forward
[19:03] <MorphixNW> making it more attractive to them is what its all about
[19:03] <Psilocybin_Elf> ^^ I have had a similar problem with my external hard drive recently displaying the same message
[19:03] <MorphixNW> not making it a boffs only clu
[19:03] <charlie-tca> well, I am going for a walk. rant in offtopic is better
[19:03] <MorphixNW> club*
[19:03] <Psilocybin_Elf> This has only been happing since i moved house and set up my desktop box again
[19:04] <Psilocybin_Elf> i assumed it some hard drive fault??!
[19:04] <MorphixNW> there you go
[19:04] <MorphixNW> so wouldnt it be nice for the system to tell us something we can actually work with?
[19:04] <MorphixNW> without being a boff for the passed 5yrs or more just to be able to setup an external hard drive
[19:05] <Psilocybin_Elf> thou my hard drive has worked fine on this 8.10 box for several years, it's only when i moved house it's decided to eject itself when it wants to
[19:05] <MorphixNW> I feel I have a very strong point to make, which is very ontopic
[19:06] <MorphixNW> I didnt see many people suggesting anything even close to encryption when I was asking for help, so even the boffs couldnt sort it, because it didnt give anything close to a sensisble error
[19:07] <MorphixNW> so garbage errors and spitting out junk...... well thats one thing that needs to be addressed in order to move forwards into a more user friendly enviroment....rant over
[19:39] <xubuntu803> i have one of the usb phone connectors you buy at walmrt for 40 bucks does it work with xubuntu
[19:39] <xubuntu803> magicjack
[19:41] <xubuntu803> uh hello
[19:41] <TheSheep> !hi
[19:41] <xubuntu803> does the magicjack usb phone work with xubuntu
[19:41] <TheSheep> you might want to check the compatibility list
[19:41] <TheSheep> !compatibility
[19:41] <xubuntu803> ok and were would i find that at
[19:41] <TheSheep> !hardware
[19:42] <TheSheep> here it is
[19:42] <TheSheep> it's very incomplete, your device may still work even if it's not mentioned
[19:42] <TheSheep> btw, if it works with ubuntu, it will work with xubuntu
[19:43] <xubuntu803> ok the other question i have is how do i get my windows mobile phone to sync with xubuntu via bluetooth
[19:44] <xubuntu803> sheep ya there
[19:45] <xubuntu803> hello
[19:45] <TheSheep> no idea, maybe someone else
[19:45] <TheSheep> !bluetooth
[19:46] <xubuntu803> i can get it to pair via bluetooth but i cant get it to sync like i do in windows with activesync
[19:48] <xubuntu803> anyone have any ideas on how to sync xubuntu with windows mobile via bluetooth
[19:48] <TheSheep> what does it sync exactly?
[19:50] <xubuntu803> transfering and installing apps music pics etc
[19:51] <dvanstone> hello
[19:51] <xubuntu803> basicly the same as bluetoothing two computers together
[19:51] <xubuntu803> hello dvan
[19:51] <dvanstone> hello 803
[19:52] <xubuntu803> everyone please excuse me i need to reboot momentairily
[19:52] <TheSheep> well, the default app lets you send files
[19:53] <xubuntu803> i wish i knew how to install ubuntu or a flavor of it onto my phone and get away from that windows mobile crap
[19:53] <dvanstone> anyone know if I am using lvm can I change from grub to grub2
[19:56] <dvanstone> guess that may be out of the scope but simply if I am using f14 would I be able to load other os at boot as option
[19:58] <dvanstone> anyonearound?
[20:01] <mark76> Me
[20:03] <dvanstone> lost ya was looking tru the commands for this app
[20:04] <dvanstone> howdy mark
[20:05] <mark76> Hello
[20:06] <mark76> What's up?
[20:09] <TheSheep> dvanstone: sure, you can have as many operating systems in the boot menu as you want
[20:11] <dvanstone> TheSheep I gots an issue then I got disk that I can see the parts but not boot the parts
[20:11] <TheSheep> dvanstone: is that an old computer?
[20:11] <dvanstone> fairly new
[20:12] <TheSheep> ok, then it's not that
[20:13] <dvanstone> what happened is I was selecting from bios the other disk and forgot to unplug it at new install so it re/wrote the boot on that disc or something like
[20:14] <TheSheep> ah, ok, you should be able to recover that with the rescue mode on the livecd
[20:14] <TheSheep> !boot
[20:14] <TheSheep> hmm
[20:14] <TheSheep> !grub
[20:15] <TheSheep> dvanstone: see that 'restore grub' howto
[20:16] <dvanstone> do I need the original install disc or would I just disble/unplug the one disc that boots
[20:21] <dvanstone> because the disc that doesnt boot I can mount all the parts from the one that is running
[20:23] <dvanstone> just won't boot into the OSes "3" *buntu that can be mounted and the one that boots is running legacy grub the while the other I assume is grub2
[20:25] <dvanstone> !cookie | TheSheep
[20:26] <TheSheep> dvanstone: you can mount it and chroot into it
[20:26] <dvanstone> really
[20:26] <dvanstone> howso
[20:26] <TheSheep> dvanstone: you just have to mount the proc and dev inside the other filesystem
[20:27] <TheSheep> that howto doesn't explain it? let me see
[20:28] <ShootEmUp> hello everyone
[20:28] <dvanstone> ShootEm -Hey
[20:28] <mark76> Back
[20:29] <dvanstone> in/out in/out you sure
[20:29] <mark76> I've had to switch to XChat
[20:29] <ShootEmUp> yeah, Xchat is the bomb
[20:30] <mark76> I wish it had graphic emoticons
[20:30] <dvanstone> well if the gchat was workin on lynx id be on it
[20:30] <mark76> :( just doesn't work for me
[20:30] <mark76> Aesthetically
[20:30] <dvanstone> well ;)
[20:30] <TheSheep> dvanstone: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows?action=show&redirect=RestoreGrub#Preparing Your Working Environment
[20:31] <TheSheep> dvanstone: it talks about how to mount the partitions and chroot into them
[20:31] <ShootEmUp> whats the problem?
[20:32] <dvanstone> trying to fix an install
[20:32] <ShootEmUp> can't boot into it?
[20:33] <dvanstone> yes can but wont load
[20:33] <ShootEmUp> ahh, any error mesages?
[20:34] <dvanstone> hmmm I will be back gotta reload to see it
[20:35] <ShootEmUp> okay
[20:41] <ShootEmUp> so no problems to solve?
[20:41] <ShootEmUp> anyone?
[20:41] <Sysi> i'm too embarrased to tell about them
[20:42] <ShootEmUp> let me rephrase that, any UBUNTU problems?
[20:43] <d-stone> okay this may be more productive
[20:43] <ShootEmUp> do tell
[20:44] <dVan> well on a live disc here I will let it reboot and read that error in d-stone
[20:45] <ShootEmUp> okay
[20:45] <d-stone> give it a sec
[20:46] <d-stone> gives error no sucj device
[20:46] <d-stone> then prompt grub rescue>
[20:46] <ShootEmUp> not reconizing your hard disk
[20:47] <ShootEmUp> or the partition grub is on was destroyed
[20:47] <d-stone> what suggestions do you have
[20:48] <ShootEmUp> do you have any other OS on this computer?
[20:48] <ShootEmUp> the computer with the error
[20:49] <d-stone> yes on that drive several *buntu builds and the other disc loads fine and has f13/f14
[20:50] <ShootEmUp> so 1 hard disk won't boot
[20:50] <d-stone> tru
[20:50] <d-stone> but can be mounted from other
[20:50] <ShootEmUp> any other OS on the HD that won't boot
[20:50] <d-stone> just this discs oses
[20:51] <ShootEmUp> Okay, looks like you need to reinstall Grub or Ubuntu
[20:52] <ShootEmUp> your choice, reinstalling grub is faster, but ubuntu is easyer
[20:52] <d-stone> reinstall grub can this be done from the xubuntu cd
[20:52] <ShootEmUp> Live CD or Alternate install CD?
[20:53] <d-stone> regular not unleaded please
[20:53] <ShootEmUp> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[20:54] <ShootEmUp> It might help you get grub back
[20:54] <d-stone> just got that link a minute ago from sheep
[20:54] <ShootEmUp> sorry
[20:54] <d-stone> I will read
[20:54] <d-stone> thats ok
[20:55] <ShootEmUp> http://www.supergrubdisk.org/ you might want to try the Rescatux CD
[20:55] <ShootEmUp> Fixes Grub2
[20:55] <d-stone> !cookie | ShootEmUp
[20:55] <ShootEmUp> sweet
[20:55] <d-stone> thx
[20:55] <ShootEmUp> I love cookies
[20:57] <d-stone> Ill be back in a few
[20:57] <ShootEmUp> okay
[21:04] <ShootEmUp> !info grub2
[21:05] <xubuntu286> Gotta love the good times. As opposed to the bad times, they are ace.
[21:06] <ShootEmUp> ookaay...
[21:06] <xubuntu286> Gotta love the low prices.  We value politeness highly
[21:08] <xubuntu286> Alrighty then
[21:08] <ShootEmUp> sorry
[21:09] <charlie-tca> We do ask that such things be stopped, but you can do that without being rude
[21:09] <ShootEmUp> I overreact sometimes
[21:09] <ShootEmUp> I'm sorry
[21:09] <charlie-tca> We will help you with that.
[21:10] <ShootEmUp> just wanting to help someone
[21:10] <charlie-tca> xubuntu286: please don't do that anymore. such things are fine in #xubuntu-offtopic, but this channel is for support
[21:10] <charlie-tca> ShootEmUp: sometimes we just have to wait for people to need help :-)
[21:10] <xubuntu286> I do apologize. Thank you much
[21:10] <charlie-tca> You are doing great!
[21:11] <charlie-tca> thanks, xubuntu286
[21:11] <ShootEmUp> !cookie | charlie-tca
[21:12] <lighta> hi guys, eh who can point me a good programs to look ext3 on windows ?
[21:12] <charlie-tca> I must have stuck around long enough, the stuff rubs off on me
[21:12] <ShootEmUp> lighta, ext2read
[21:12] <charlie-tca> I don't know how you will see ext3 on windows. Ask in ##windows maybe
[21:13] <ShootEmUp> lighta, privte chat
[21:13] <charlie-tca> :-)
[21:14] <lighta> there a chan windows ?
[21:14] <lighta> for real ?
[21:14] <lighta> wow
[21:14] <lighta> thx
[21:15] <charlie-tca> for real. But see ShootEmUp 's last words, too.
[21:20] <lighta> ok i'll try it =)
[21:25] <wizardslovak> hello people
[21:25] <ShootEmUp> hello
[21:25] <lighta> hi
[21:25] <wizardslovak> i always have problems with partitioning
[21:25] <wizardslovak> i got new pc
[21:25] <ShootEmUp> My name peggy, you have problem
[21:26] <wizardslovak> and i want to install xubuntu on it
[21:26] <wizardslovak> 160 gb and 1tb hard drives
[21:26] <wizardslovak> id like to install it on 160
[21:26] <wizardslovak> i know boot , swap and / are important
[21:26] <wizardslovak> anything else?
[21:26] <ShootEmUp> you can get bye with just / and swap if you want
[21:27] <Sysi> /boot actually isn't
[21:27] <Sysi> you can have entire / on that disc, and TB just for data
[21:27] <wizardslovak> yea
[21:27] <Sysi> separate /home partiton is maybe nice
[21:27] <ShootEmUp> Okay, I assume it has windows Vista/7 on already, correct?
[21:28] <wizardslovak> no
[21:28] <wizardslovak> no windows
[21:28] <ShootEmUp> nothing right?
[21:28] <wizardslovak> i want to separate os from data
[21:28] <lighta> do you want it afterward ?
[21:28] <wizardslovak> nothing
[21:28] <wizardslovak> i jsut build pc , 30 mins ago
[21:28] <lighta> should be better to install windows then linux ?
[21:28] <wizardslovak> i dont want windows at all
[21:28] <lighta> in case you wanted it
[21:28] <lighta> ok
[21:29] <wizardslovak> point of this pc is date server and web server
[21:29] <wizardslovak> with xubuntu
[21:29] <wizardslovak> ;)
[21:29] <lighta> then iptables is important
[21:29] <wizardslovak> yea
[21:29] <lighta> =)
[21:29] <Sysi> you can have like 10GB for / and rest just something for data
[21:29] <ShootEmUp> ok, you want, 100MB /boot, 30GB /, 2GB swap, & the rest /home
[21:29] <wizardslovak> fr now it will be just LAN data server
[21:29] <wizardslovak> ok
[21:30] <wizardslovak> and mountpoint for 1tb hard drive?
[21:30] <charlie-tca> give boot a little more now. It uses more with grub2 than with grub1
[21:30] <ShootEmUp> don't mount it yet
[21:30] <wizardslovak> ok so 100mb /boot primary?
[21:30] <ShootEmUp> 200MB /boot sound good?
[21:31] <charlie-tca> at least 200mb now. The kernel fills it up fast now
[21:31] <wizardslovak> ok
[21:31] <ShootEmUp> Okay
[21:31] <wizardslovak> ext4?
[21:31] <charlie-tca> since they no longer delete the old kernels, if you forget to, to will run out of space quickly
[21:31] <ShootEmUp> ext2 for /boot I think
[21:32] <ShootEmUp> how much RAM does it have?
[21:32] <lighta> aren't something to delete old kerner automatically when you get a new one ?
[21:32] <lighta> like quota space ?
[21:32] <wizardslovak> 4gb
[21:33] <ShootEmUp> whoa, you might just need 1GB swap, unless you want to hibernate
[21:33] <wizardslovak> i read somewhere that u need 2x ram for swap
[21:33] <ShootEmUp> not really if you have alot of RAM
[21:34] <wizardslovak> ok so
[21:34] <wizardslovak> 1gb good enough
[21:34] <ShootEmUp> unless you want hibernate
[21:34] <wizardslovak> partition for swap is primary or logical?
[21:34] <ShootEmUp> either
[21:34] <wizardslovak> well pc will run 24/7
[21:34] <ShootEmUp> 1GB swap is fine
[21:35] <wizardslovak> logical or primary?
[21:35] <ShootEmUp> either will do
[21:35] <wizardslovak> ok done
[21:35] <wizardslovak> now rest for /?
[21:35] <ShootEmUp> might as well do logical
[21:35] <ShootEmUp> that will work
[21:35] <ShootEmUp> but
[21:36] <ShootEmUp> you might want seperate /home
[21:37] <wizardslovak> hmm
[21:37] <wizardslovak> ok so what should i do with all the left space
[21:37] <ShootEmUp> give it to home
[21:37] <ShootEmUp> */home
[21:37] <wizardslovak> now i dont get it
[21:38] <wizardslovak> so should i separate it ? or leave it?
[21:38] <ShootEmUp> okay, 200MB /boot, 30GB /, 1GB swap, the rest goes to /home
[21:38] <wizardslovak> ok
[21:38] <wizardslovak> 30gb for / , enough?
[21:38] <ShootEmUp> yes
[21:39] <ShootEmUp> or you can have no /home, and give all the leftover space to /
[21:39] <wizardslovak> hmm
[21:39] <wizardslovak> well i wont install many apps
[21:39] <wizardslovak> so i dont really need lots of space
[21:40] <wizardslovak> now that 1tb hard drive
[21:40] <ShootEmUp> what is it formated to?
[21:40] <wizardslovak> ill do that /home2
[21:40] <wizardslovak> noting
[21:40] <wizardslovak> brand new drive
[21:41] <ShootEmUp> okay, ext2,ext3,ext4 will work
[21:41] <wizardslovak> ok
[21:41] <wizardslovak> ext4
[21:41] <ShootEmUp> take your choice, I recomend ext4
[21:41] <wizardslovak> well
[21:41] <wizardslovak> i am noob
[21:41] <wizardslovak> with this
[21:41] <wizardslovak> so id prefer your advice
[21:41] <wizardslovak> ;)
[21:42] <ShootEmUp> no problems
[21:42] <ShootEmUp> I love helping people
[21:42] <wizardslovak> same here
[21:42] <wizardslovak> so partitiong is done
[21:42] <wizardslovak> now install
[21:42] <ShootEmUp> yup, do you have all the mount points set?
[21:42] <wizardslovak> yes sir
[21:43] <ShootEmUp> then install
[21:43] <wizardslovak> oki installing
[21:43] <wizardslovak> then just settup ssh
[21:43] <wizardslovak> hmm
[21:43] <ShootEmUp> can't help you there
[21:43] <wizardslovak> i know that one
[21:44] <ShootEmUp> don't know much about ssh
[21:44] <wizardslovak> need to set up remote desktop viewer
[21:45] <wizardslovak> ssh i still remember
[21:45] <wizardslovak> how long you have been using xubuntu?
[21:45] <ShootEmUp> about 6 months
[21:45] <d-stone> ShottEm I think I will backup and reinstall
[21:45] <wizardslovak> btw
[21:46] <wizardslovak> i got ubuntu on laptop
[21:46] <ShootEmUp> d-stone, good idea
[21:46] <wizardslovak> it was on ethernet since begining
[21:46] <wizardslovak> now i need it to be wireless
[21:46] <wizardslovak> but i cant find settings for it
[21:46] <ShootEmUp> chances are your wireless is not supported by linux
[21:47] <wizardslovak> i am sure they are
[21:47] <ShootEmUp> however, you could be able to ndiswrapper
[21:47] <wizardslovak> i had kubuntu some time ago and it worked without problems
[21:47] <ShootEmUp> okay
[21:47] <ShootEmUp> Ubuntu right?
[21:47] <wizardslovak> kubuntu with kde4
[21:47] <ShootEmUp> No the new install
[21:48] <ShootEmUp> whats on it now
[21:48] <wizardslovak> o n laptop is xubuntu
[21:48] <ShootEmUp> okay, do you have it on and with you
[21:48] <wizardslovak> typing from it
[21:49] <ShootEmUp> okay, look for the network icon
[21:49] <wizardslovak> got it
[21:49] <ShootEmUp> left click, and it should show you avilable wireless networks
[21:50] <wizardslovak> oh wait
[21:50] <wizardslovak> actually i thought u ment icon in "aplications"
[21:50] <wizardslovak> otherwiese i dont see no network icon tho
[21:50] <lighta> add notification zone
[21:51] <lighta> on your panel
[21:51] <lighta> then you'll see what he mean
[21:51] <lighta> I think
[21:51] <wizardslovak> no
[21:51] <ShootEmUp> yup he should
[21:51] <wizardslovak> log out , clock , xchat , firefox
[21:51] <wizardslovak> thats it
[21:51] <lighta> ye but
[21:51] <lighta> right clik on panel
[21:51] <lighta> add element
[21:51] <lighta> notification zone
[21:52] <ShootEmUp> do that
[21:52] <wizardslovak> "there is already a nitification area running on this screen"
[21:53] <ShootEmUp> okay
[21:53] <lighta> oh and no network icon ?
[21:53] <ShootEmUp> what icons are in it?
[21:53] <lighta> hmm if you'r on ethenet should look like a black box with a link
[21:54] <wizardslovak> nope
[21:54] <wizardslovak> none like that
[21:54] <wizardslovak> i am 64 bit thos
[21:54] <lighta> wait i'l do a screenshot
[21:54] <lighta> ah
[21:54] <lighta> idk if panel chnge then
[21:54] <wizardslovak> yea
[21:54] <lighta> oh btw are you on xfce ?
[21:54] <wizardslovak> i got one on top one on bottom
[21:54] <wizardslovak> yes
[21:54] <wizardslovak> xfce4
[21:54] <lighta> k
[21:55] <lighta> well i'll try snapshot anyway for you
[21:55] <lighta> give me 2min
[21:55] <wizardslovak> sure
[21:55] <wizardslovak> take your time
[21:56] <ShootEmUp> try system-admin-network connections
[21:56] <ShootEmUp> in your menu
[21:57] <wizardslovak> there is no admin in system
[21:57]  * charlie-tca thinks Xubuntu 10.04 does not really like that network-manager applet in the panel
[21:59] <wizardslovak> word
[22:00] <ShootEmUp> look in every menu for something called network connections
[22:00] <ShootEmUp> I just want to make sure
[22:01] <wizardslovak> i did
[22:01] <wizardslovak> nothing
[22:02] <ShootEmUp> Is network manager installed?
[22:02] <ShootEmUp> !info network-manager
[22:03] <ShootEmUp> I tell you what, open a termanal, and type nm-applet
[22:05] <wizardslovak> "couldnt initialize the d-bus manager"
[22:05] <ShootEmUp> whoa, that could be a problem
[22:05] <ShootEmUp> try reinstalling network-manager
[22:06] <ShootEmUp> go to synaptic, search network-manager, left click on box, select reinstall
[22:07] <ShootEmUp> click apply, try running nm-applet, if it don't work, restart
[22:09] <ShootEmUp> let shootemup know what your up to...
[22:10] <wizardslovak> synaptic?
[22:11] <d-stone> yeah it has should I run install from the live desktop or at first prompt
[22:11] <ShootEmUp> !info synaptic
[22:11] <ShootEmUp> d-stone, either will do
[22:12] <d-stone> can grub2 work on lvm?
[22:12] <ShootEmUp> I'm not sure, let me check
[22:13] <ShootEmUp> yes, grub2 has lvm support
[22:15] <d-stone> yeah I think a partition has been jeejawed on a 500 g disk it shows 213 and 133 hows that for math
[22:16] <d-stone> well quit to use gparted maybe I can see whats gone wrong there
[22:16] <ShootEmUp> Okay, I think I read somewere that to setup a LVM with ubuntu, you have to use the alternate install CD
[22:18] <ShootEmUp> http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-install-ubuntu-over-lvm-filesystem
[22:18] <ShootEmUp> this should help
[22:19] <ShootEmUp> you need to install LVM support first
[22:19] <ShootEmUp> !info lvm2
[22:20] <ShootEmUp> sudo apt-get install lvm2
[22:20] <charlie-tca> or use the alternate cd and do a guided lvm install
[22:20] <ShootEmUp> that works to
[22:21] <ShootEmUp> I gotta go now, but I'll be back tomorrow!
[22:21] <ShootEmUp> ttyl everyone
[22:21] <d-stone> well format drive and install lvm in build afterward ttfn
[22:21] <wizardslovak> weird
[22:21] <wizardslovak> in terminal i cant use nano
[22:21] <d-stone> or maybe bsd first
[22:22] <charlie-tca> can't use nano?
[22:24] <wizardslovak> "error opening terminal : unknown"
[22:24] <charlie-tca> oh
[22:24] <charlie-tca> 10.10?
[22:24] <charlie-tca> ran updates?
[22:24] <wizardslovak> yes
[22:25] <charlie-tca> try running "export $TERM=xterm" first
[22:25] <wizardslovak> give me sec
[22:25] <wizardslovak> running /sudo apt-get upgrade
[22:25] <charlie-tca> Let that finish first. that is the updates
[22:25] <charlie-tca> That should fix it for you
[22:26] <wizardslovak> oki doki
[22:26] <wizardslovak> still wirelesss doesnt work
[22:26] <lighta> did you saw screenshot ?
[22:26] <charlie-tca> I don't know how to fix wireless.
[22:26] <wizardslovak> no
[22:26] <charlie-tca> !wireless
[22:26] <wizardslovak> charlie-tca, i know where to find it
[22:26] <wizardslovak> but there is no option in this laptop
[22:26] <wizardslovak> lol
[22:27] <lighta> that what we was talking earlier
[22:27] <lighta> here http://i52.tinypic.com/v2vfyx.png
[22:28] <wizardslovak> nah
[22:28] <wizardslovak> i dont have icon like that
[22:32] <d-stone> can gparted wipe an entire disc
[22:33] <charlie-tca> not unless you tell it to
[22:33] <d-stone> ok
[22:33] <charlie-tca> gparted is graphical, so you can see the partition in the chart
[22:35] <lighta> wizardslovak, do you have the network-manager package ?
[22:39] <wizardslovak> cant find it
[22:42] <wizardslovak> hmmm
[22:42] <charlie-tca> in a terminal - apt-cache policy network-manager
[22:43] <wizardslovak> network-manager:
[22:43] <wizardslovak>   Installed: 0.8-0ubuntu3
[22:43] <wizardslovak>   Candidate: 0.8-0ubuntu3
[22:43] <wizardslovak>   Version table:
[22:43] <wizardslovak>  *** 0.8-0ubuntu3 0
[22:43] <wizardslovak>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid/main Packages
[22:43] <wizardslovak>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[22:43] <charlie-tca> then, yes, you have it and it is installed
[22:43] <lighta> is it started ?
[22:44] <lighta> service network-manager start
[22:48] <wizardslovak> start: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.99" (uid=1000 pid=3536 comm="start) interface="com.ubuntu.Upstart0_6.Job" member="Start" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="com.ubuntu.Upstart" (uid=0 pid=1 comm="/sbin/init"))
[22:53] <lighta> sudo service network-manager restart ?
[22:54] <d-stone> well to work to work
[22:57] <wizardslovak> network-manager start/running, process 3630
[22:58] <Marot> hi evryone
[22:58] <Marot> i ve got a problem
[22:59] <Marot> the installation from live cd fails
[23:01] <wizardslovak> whats the error?
[23:01] <Marot> only installation program crashed
[23:02] <Marot> i could upload 2 files
[23:02] <Marot> http://pastebin.com/yiyex6Rk
[23:02] <Marot> partlog
[23:03] <charlie-tca> Marot: what version of xubuntu? Which image did you use?
[23:04] <Marot> 10.10
[23:04] <Marot> i 386
[23:04] <^Phantom^> I'm seeing if this xubuntu liveCD will boot on my laptop
[23:04] <^Phantom^> So far it seems to be doing better than the ubuntu one did
[23:05] <^Phantom^> if it works, I'll copy over the data I want to keep my external HDD and install the OS ^_^
[23:06] <^Phantom^> 192MB ram, heh
[23:06] <^Phantom^> For now, until I get the new ram for it
[23:07] <charlie-tca> Marot: according to that partitioning log, it partitioned the disk fine
[23:08] <Marot> and this is syslog: http://pastebin.com/vNQuBPNp
[23:08] <Marot> im happy that it partitioned allright
[23:10] <charlie-tca> Try burning a different cd or downloading the image again. it got lost
[23:10] <Marot> ok thnaks for help!
[23:10] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[23:10] <Marot> *thanks
[23:11] <Marot> bye
[23:11] <charlie-tca> ^Phantom^: you will find it runs really bad. You may have to use the alternate cd to install from, too.
[23:12] <^Phantom^> heh, yeah, I've been told
[23:12] <charlie-tca> but, Xubuntu should run on it. I would use epiphany or midori instead of firefox for a browser, myself
[23:14] <dvanstone> hello
[23:15] <^Phantom^> Oh, the bios and xubuntu's memtest report it as 191MB
[23:15] <^Phantom^> Why, then, does Windows report it as 192MB?
[23:16] <dvanstone> ^Phantom^ may want to ask in #windows
[23:16] <charlie-tca> because windows cheats when it does it
[23:16] <dvanstone> brb restart
[23:22] <dvanstone> hoot
[23:22] <dvanstone> hello again
[23:22] <dvanstone> anyone here
[23:22] <dvanstone> ?
[23:24] <dvanstone> ?
[23:25] <lighta> yes ?
[23:25] <dvanstone> o kool
[23:26] <dvanstone> after install how can I shrink the part on the disk
[23:26] <lighta> what mean shrink ? sorry
[23:27] <dvanstone> reduce the size of the disk space alotted for xubuntu
[23:27] <lighta> with fdisk
[23:29] <dvanstone> hmmm that is a way but i will just reboot w/ gparted
[23:29] <dvanstone> wish me luck
[23:29] <lighta> gl then =)


[07:07] <splatink> hello, I have a problem with the system tray
[07:08] <splatink> when i minimize an app to the system tray, it works, but if i then right click to exit, and then try to reopen it and minize it again, the system tray icon does not show, but i have confirmed the app is still open
[07:12] <splatink> both the system tray and status notifier plugins seem to have this issue
[07:13] <splatink> and the only way to get the icon back is to remove them and add them again
[07:21] <splatink> exit
[09:34] <vox221> hi there, after some kernel update i loose my wlan on an lenovo thinkpad p52. OS: Xubuntu 22.10 x86_64. Last kernel i got is: Ubuntu, with Linux 5.19.0-1013-oracle (why oracle?!) Is this a known issue?
[09:40] <wifwfr> network manager adds default route for a second connection on activation which gets in the way of my internet
[09:41] <wifwfr> how to prevent nm from adding this additional default route


[14:36] <thorwil> julian, newz2000: hi! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/JauntyCountdownBanners#Final,%20with%20slideshow
[14:37] <thorwil> a change i didn't mention from last time is tweaked and sharpened text for coming-soon and it's-here
[14:37] <thorwil> now i also sharpened the "days to go" and added an alternative with flat text. i prefer the 3d one
[14:38] <thorwil> first 3 slideshow images have the requested changes, other 2 unchanged
[14:38] <thorwil> have to run now, i'll be back in half to a full hour
[14:40] <newz2000> thanks thorwil, will peek at them in a moment


[08:07] <KRF> debfx: related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zsh/+bug/1029337 - could request another merge for 5.0.0-2,  i am especially looking for the patch "[0b3b271c] Do not use echoti {smkx,rmkx} unconditionally".
[08:08] <KRF> see http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/z/zsh/zsh_5.0.0-2/changelog
[08:27] <infinity> KRF: Done.
[08:27] <infinity> debfx: I grabbed that zsh merge for you.
[08:28] <KRF> nice one!
[08:28] <KRF> thanks
[10:53] <pabs3> with the email interface on launchpad, is it possible to link a bug to a Debian bug? how would I do that?
[10:55] <Laney> I don't see (from the documentation) that you can do that :(
[11:08] <tumbleweed> you can add a task through the e-mail interface, and add a bug watch, by linking to the debian bug, but can't associate the task with the watch (that I can see)
[11:09] <tumbleweed> in fact, bug 244630
[12:02] <pabs3> thanks tumbleweed
[14:33] <alexbligh1> If I have package foo and package bar, and foo depends on a ppa version of bar (with a patch in), who do I specify that in a Depends: line in foo's debian/control?
[14:36] <pabs3> Depends: bar (>= <IP_ADDRESS>...)
[14:41] <alexbligh1> pabs3 but if I have bar_1.0.1-1ubuntu2alex1_amd64.deb which is a patched version of bar_1.0.1-1ubuntu2_amd64.deb, and the repo publishes a bar_1.0.2-1ubuntu2_amd64.deb, I want my package foo to ensure that bar does not get upgraded because it's (somehow) dependent on the local 'alex' version.
[14:42] <infinity> alexbligh1: Then make it an exact relationship (= 1.2.3)
[14:42] <infinity> alexbligh1: Not ideal, and makes upgrade ordering a bit of a pain.
[14:43] <infinity> alexbligh1: The real answer is "teach your users how to use apt pinning to prefer packages from your repository".
[14:43] <alexbligh1> So can I do bar (=1.0.1-1ubuntu2alex1)?
[14:43] <infinity> alexbligh1: Alternately, "if your patches are suitable for upstream or Ubuntu, submit them".
[14:43] <alexbligh1> Oh the patch is already upstream, in fact it's a backport of a patch which is upstream (and did not make Precise). I just don't want a security upgrade to wipe out the patch.
[14:44] <infinity> If it's suitable for an SRU, you could still submit a patch for precise.
[14:44] <ogra_> you could just ask for an SRU if the patch isnt to intrusive
[14:44] <alexbligh1> nah it's a feature upgrade.
[14:44] <infinity> Fair enough.
[14:44] <infinity> Then yeah, either apt pinning, or use exact depdendencies.
[14:44] <infinity> dependencies, too.
[14:45] <ogra_> or ask for a backport ;)
[14:45] <alexbligh1> Well, the patch concerned is a patch to libfreerdp to access hyper-v VMs. Would you take that as an SRU? I'm guessing not.
[14:45] <infinity> It's possible.  We did a lot of last-minute work for precise on hyperv in other areas.
[14:46]  * infinity decides to go have a birthday nap.
[14:46] <Laney> rock and roll
[14:46] <alexbligh1> Hmm, interesting. I thought SRU was pretty much strictly only for bugfixes and security issues? I can't just use a newer libfreerdp as they appear to have done 'interesting things' to the ABI in the mean time.
[14:47] <alexbligh1> In fact 'interesting things' to the API as well.
[14:48] <penguin42> infinity: Happy birthday!