[14:05] <MacSlow> elopio, hey there... can you point me to a guide/example wrt to ap-fixtures (https://code.launchpad.net/~macslow/unity8/shellRotation/+merge/256493/comments/639107)
[14:06] <elopio> MacSlow: not specific to autopilot: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/fixtures
[14:06] <MacSlow> elopio, ah ok... looking
[14:07] <elopio> MacSlow: we can also pair if you need an extra hand on it, just ping us.
[14:07] <MacSlow> elopio, I probably will... this too is new ground for me
[14:08] <MacSlow> elopio, I didn't even write LaunchUnityWithFakeSensors in the first place
[14:11] <elopio> MacSlow: I wrote it :)
[14:13] <MacSlow> elopio, oh... and I'm meant to refactor it... :)
[14:14] <elopio> MacSlow: that probably shouldn't happen in this MP though, already too big.
[14:15] <MacSlow> elopio, I would welcome that... but Saviq suggested it...
[14:15] <MacSlow> elopio, by now i'm so worn out on that branch... I would really like to be able to put it to an end... I fixed all the other issues
[14:15] <elopio> Saviq: are you ok with filling a bug about turning the Unity launch into a fixture, a doing it in a following branch?
[14:15] <MacSlow> elopio, so if you would take another look
[14:16] <Saviq> elopio, MacSlow, sure, just file a bug for it and land as is
[14:16] <Saviq> but before we touch either that or the base UnityTestCase there, we need to factor it out
[14:16] <MacSlow> elopio, you file the fixture-refactor wishlist/bug?
[14:16] <Saviq> (again)
[14:19] <elopio> MacSlow: one second.
[14:39] <elopio> MacSlow: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1447206
[14:40] <elopio> MacSlow: your branch looks good now. Only two minor details:
[14:40] <elopio> - I would rename main_win to main_window
[14:40] <elopio> - I would change
[14:40] <elopio> 438+            logger.info('unsupported orientation ' + self.action + ' skipped.')
[14:40] <elopio> to
[14:40] <elopio> self.skipTest('unsupported orientation ' + self.action)
[14:40] <MacSlow> elopio, wilco
[14:43] <MacSlow> elopio, that skipTest needs to happen at the beginning of test_rotation_with_webbrowser_app(), right?
[14:44] <elopio> MacSlow: would be good, yes. The earlier you discover that the test can't be run, the less wasted time you spend on it.
[14:45] <elopio> in this case I think you can't put it as the first step of the test, but certainly you can move it up a little.
[14:47] <MacSlow> I put it after self.shell_proxy = unity_with_sensors.main_win.select_single('Shell') before the app is launched...
[14:47] <MacSlow> that saves at least a bit of execution time I guess
[14:53] <MacSlow> elopio, pushed suggested fix... r1611
[14:56] <elopio> MacSlow: ok, +1. Now, how do we confirm jenkins' tests are passing?
[14:57] <MacSlow> elopio, I added a further comment on the build-depencecies in the MP's description... it needs libunity-api-dev >= 7.97 which isn't released yet... all we can do is wait
[14:59] <elopio> MacSlow: awesome. Thanks for working on this.
[14:59] <elopio> when I proposed this to be in our previous sprint, I was expecting our team to help you more with the scenarios and the fixtures and all the python details.
[14:59] <elopio> but then I went on vacations, got drunk and forgot about work :)
[15:00] <elopio> I mentioned this in our retrospective, so next time we really help devs to get the tests done, not just point out the way to go.
[15:22] <MacSlow> elopio, well... at least I left the fixture-refactor for you to do :)
[15:23] <elopio> MacSlow: ah, well... I'm not sure I will be able to do it. That's a negotiation between your manager and my manager to see who does it.
[15:24] <elopio> I might some free time tomorrow though, I'll try to sneak it in this week.


[13:12] <charlie-tca> Good morning
 Anyone care to test the patch in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session/+bug/711571 ?
 Ubuntu bug 711571 in xfdesktop4 (Ubuntu Natty) "Xfce Shutdown/Restart doesn't work (logout instead)" [Low,Triaged]


[00:06] <DanaG> OH GOD, MY EYES!   http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/10/hp-shows-off-vivienne-tam-designed-digital-clutch-the-10-inch/
[00:06] <DanaG> hah.
[05:18] <Ziroday> kwwii: you awake?
[09:00] <dilomo> psyke83: hey man
[09:22]  * DanaG wishes the NewWave theme were in deb format.
[09:23] <DanaG> Oh, and I'd like to see a matching unlock dialog for each wallpaper, perhaps.  That'd be cool.
[09:27] <DanaG> hmm, grey-on-grey... a bit gloomy.
[09:27] <DanaG> windeco, that is.
[09:27]  * DanaG sticks with his bright orange.
[09:42] <dilomo> DanaG: do you know how to theme the main menu
[09:42] <dilomo> separately then the rest of the menus?
[09:43] <dilomo> btw there is deb
[09:43] <DanaG> Nope, I don't know if it's even possible.
[09:43] <dilomo> in the kwwii's PPA
[09:43] <dilomo> about the lock dialog
[09:43] <dilomo> what wallpaper do you have in mind
[09:44] <DanaG> One for each of the wallpapers there.
[09:45] <DanaG> For example, the "intense" one.
[09:45] <DanaG> That way you could pair the GDM, the wallpaper, and the lock dialog.
[09:45] <dilomo> I asked you because it's not so easy to do
[09:45] <DanaG> Aah.
[09:45] <dilomo> and most people want smth modern
[09:45] <dilomo> for wallpaper
[09:46] <dilomo> si I thought nobody is using these wallpapers but
[09:46] <dilomo> indeed it is good for all them (gdm ld and bg) to match
[09:46] <DanaG> Hot Wave Intense is pretty spiffy.
[09:47] <DanaG> I just do think the grey titlebars are a bit gloomy.  For a while, I was using a dark blue-and-grey theme, and it actually adversely affected my mood.
[09:47] <DanaG> Once I changed to the nice bright orange, my mood improved... literally instantly.
[09:47] <DanaG> Like, BAM!
[09:47] <dilomo> thats cool
[09:48] <dilomo> I haven't thout in this direction so far
[09:48] <DanaG> bug: set as wallpaper (from eye-of-gnome) doesn't work.  :(
[09:48] <DanaG> That's an Ubuntu bug, not an art bug.
[09:48] <DanaG> My theme: http://picpaste.com/screenshot-orange-nodoka-2.png
[09:50] <dilomo> wow I'm so not used to light themes now that when I look at it
[09:50] <dilomo> it's strange for me
[09:50] <DanaG> Heh, did I show you this?  It's "oh god, too bright!"  :   http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/10/hp-shows-off-vivienne-tam-designed-digital-clutch-the-10-inch/
[09:51] <DanaG> =þ
[09:51] <DanaG> My orange there is also a bit of a funky shade, too.  It's to match the bridge picture.
[09:51] <dilomo> :) these ppl are crazy
[09:52] <dilomo> that pink laptop is
[09:52] <DanaG> The goggles! They do nothing!
[09:52] <DanaG> =þ
[09:52] <dilomo> looking very bad IMO with that glossy screen
[09:53] <DanaG> Another random, interesting theme: http://astyanax0.deviantart.com/art/Muku-1-0-33133875
[09:54] <dilomo> hmm interesting
[09:55] <DanaG> ... and the theme I currently use when in Windows:  http://www.wincustomize.com/zoom.aspx?skinid=6568&libid=1
[09:56] <DanaG> Hmm, would it be possible to just 'tint' the grey of the window top, slightly?
[09:56] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and I find slanty icons to be odd; I currently use Tangerine.
[09:57] <DanaG> The OpenSUSE 11 Industrial icons work surprisingly well with this.
[09:58] <dilomo> is that vista ? ;)
[09:59] <dilomo> tint ?
[10:00] <dilomo> explain
[10:00] <DanaG> Oh yeah, that Molten theme (with the dragon) works in both XP and Vista.
[10:03] <dilomo> you can change the colors you need in the gtkrc file
[10:03] <dilomo> just search and replace "#696969" with your custom color and it should work
[10:03] <dilomo> btw you will need to do that replace in the metacity-1.xml theme file too
[10:04] <DanaG> Cool.  I'll have to try that tomorrow -- here's the time where I am:
[10:04] <DanaG> Thu Sep 11 02:04:09 PDT 2008
[10:04] <dilomo> where is that
[10:04] <DanaG> PDT is Pacific Daylight Time.
[10:04] <dilomo> her ist 12.04
[10:05] <DanaG> Daylight Savings Time.... more like 'screw up your clock twice a year' time.
[10:05] <dilomo> no I mena what city
[10:05] <DanaG> San Luis Obispo, CA.
[10:05] <dilomo> nice
[10:05] <DanaG> CA state, that is.  (with international community, you can never assume.)
[10:05] <dilomo> yeah I know that
[10:05] <dilomo> :)
[10:06] <dilomo> btw what is Washington DC ?
[10:06] <dilomo> that DC?
[10:06] <DanaG> Washington DC?  I can never keep that one straight.  Best just to use the full name.
[10:07] <DanaG> I mean, whose bright idea was that.... Washington, and "Washington, DC"
[10:07] <DanaG> ... =þ
[10:07] <DanaG> Anyway, /me goes off to bed.
[10:08] <DanaG> heh, random thing: google for 802.11h, you get this as one thing:
[10:08] <DanaG> 802.11 * Planck's constant = 5.3148354 × 10^-31 m2 kg / s
[10:08] <DanaG> That's rather random.
[10:10] <dilomo> ok
[10:11] <dilomo> bey
[10:11] <dilomo> bye
[12:42] <_MMA_> D.C. = District of Columbia
[12:43]  * _MMA_ used to live there.
[13:05] <dilomo> hay _MMA_
[13:08] <dilomo> do you know how to make the main menu to use different color that the rest of the menus?
[13:12] <_MMA_> dilomo: The menu itself? What part?
[13:13] <dilomo> well the menu not the menubar
[13:13] <dilomo> the part with Games, Internet ...
[13:13] <_MMA_> You can, but this will then effect Firefox. :(
[13:13] <dilomo> but isn't that supposed to be different
[13:13] <dilomo> style
[13:14] <_MMA_> It will effect it in a bad way.
[13:14] <_MMA_> ie:
[13:14] <dilomo> ok
[13:14] <Cimi> are you sure?
[13:14] <_MMA_> About?
[13:15] <Cimi> you can match the parent menubar widget
[13:15] <Cimi> something like
[13:15] <Cimi> *panel*GtkMenu
[13:15] <dilomo> I'm trying with
[13:15] <dilomo> widget_class "*Panel*MenuBar*Menu" style :highest "newwave-panelmenu"
[13:15] <Cimi> you may try, i'm not sure though
[13:16] <dilomo> but it doesn't work
[13:16] <Cimi> install experience engine
[13:16] <dilomo> first I remove the pixmap from the Main menu
[13:16] <dilomo> with  "*Panel*MenuBar*"
[13:16] <_MMA_> Last I was playing with it (a week ago) changing the mainmenu effected FF badly. Something to do with the text color.
[13:16] <Cimi> it can be used to debug widgets
[13:16] <_MMA_> Ill look later. I just got up and have things to do.
[13:17] <dilomo> debug?
[13:17] <dilomo> what do you mean
[13:17] <Cimi> it prints the widget hierarchy
[13:17] <Cimi> oh every widget you interact
[13:17] <dilomo> that's really smth useful
[13:18] <Cimi> yeah
[13:18] <dilomo> btw is it possible to make the combobox menus with light bg
[13:18] <dilomo> with proper matching?
[13:18] <Cimi> connect to irc.gimp.org and ask benzea
[13:19] <dilomo> ok
[13:19] <dilomo> thanks
[13:19] <Cimi> about the experience engine
[13:20] <dilomo> what about it?
[13:22] <dilomo> btw what channel is benzea in?
[13:23] <Cimi> #gnome-art
[17:31] <psyke83> hey
[17:31] <dilomo> hay psyke83
[17:32] <psyke83> last night I began organizing my Gmail account properly (filtering the messages from the ubuntu-art ML) and I noticed that Gmail categorizes many legitimate messages as spam... do the mail servers need to be added to a whitelist somewhere, perhaps?
[17:33] <psyke83> *legitimate messages from the Ubuntu ML's (I saw no false positives for any other mail, personal or otherwise)
[17:34] <dilomo> well I don't know
[17:34] <dilomo> I use Evolution
[17:34] <dilomo> and have now white lists
[17:35] <psyke83> dilomo: re your PM on the forums, you need to set bg[NORMAL] in the "newwave-menu" section, that's all
[17:35] <psyke83> the pixmap stuff seemed to interfere when I was testing it yesterday, though
[17:36] <dilomo> I have some great news
[17:36] <dilomo> about themeing
[17:36] <dilomo> form gnome 2.24 we will be able to theme the main menu
[17:36] <dilomo> separately then the rest of the menus
[17:37] <dilomo> it will match by widget
[17:37] <dilomo> and the name will be gnome-panel-main-menu
[17:37] <psyke83> are you sure it's not possible already? widget_class "*Panel*GtkMenu*"
[17:37] <psyke83> ok
[17:37] <dilomo> I talked with benzea today and he commited a patch
[17:38] <thorwil> kwwii: do you happen to know a commandline way of removing alpha layers from a batch of images?
[17:38] <dilomo> nope I tried that
[17:38] <dilomo> btw I've updated the repos
[17:38] <dilomo> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-new-wave/anton/devel
[17:38] <psyke83> well I assume it doesn't work, but you would probably need to set the priority to highest
[17:38] <dilomo> if anyone's interested
[17:38] <psyke83> *would have needed to
[17:39] <dilomo> I tried all that stuff but in vain
[17:40] <dilomo> btw I decided that I combo menus should be light
[17:40] <dilomo> so that they are easy on the eyes
[17:40] <dilomo> and made some matching to do that but it turns out that the old Option menus
[17:41] <dilomo> are not reflecting the changes
[17:42] <rsc__> what forums are we talking about here? :)
[17:44] <dilomo> gnome-art
[17:45] <rsc__> where is that?
[17:48] <dilomo> on irc.gimp.org
[18:36]  * kwwii is off for the evening
[18:40]  * DanaG likes the Nodoka engine still better than many others...... even with über-bright colors, it still looks soft and 'gentle' (hence the name).
[18:42] <psyke83> DanaG: ah but you're judging the whole engine by a single gtkrc theme :). I think Andrea also has Nodoka widget emulation in the Murrine engine (though it's not complete in Intrepid's SVN snapshot)
[18:42] <DanaG> Some time I'll post my theme somewhere, and then perhaps somebody can help me port it to that.
[18:43] <DanaG> I don't want to lose the rounded scrollbars, though -- I like them too much.
[18:43] <CimiDS> lol
[18:43] <CimiDS> it is an ugly hack
[18:43] <CimiDS> they will NEVER go inside murrine
[18:43] <psyke83> DanaG: the nodoka and murrine engines will be available in Intrepid - you could make a hybrid theme, pick & choose the widgets you like from each engine
[18:44] <DanaG> Ugly hack?  Can't say I've seen the code to know how hackish it is.
[18:45] <DanaG> re-link to thing I've posted before: http://picpaste.com/screenshot-orange-nodoka-2.png
[18:46] <psyke83> looking at that theme, I would change all the widgets to murrine, except the check/radiobuttons and frames
[18:46] <DanaG> ... and scrollbars.
[18:46] <DanaG> I want non-glossy, specifically.
[18:46] <psyke83> for you, not me :)
[18:47] <DanaG> Slider things are fugly, though -- I'll admit that.
[18:47] <psyke83> it's easy to do in the gtkrc, just make an empty subdefinition of the murrine engine within the style definitions that you want to change
[18:47] <psyke83> or vice-versa
[18:48] <DanaG> Hmm, right now my gtkrc uses Nodoka, obviously; would I be able to just change the engine it specifies?
[18:48] <psyke83> take a look at the Human(-Murrine) gtkrc to see all the new Murrine engine options, it's a lot more flexible than the previous release
[18:48] <psyke83> one sec
[18:48] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and the Tropic windeco hasn't been fixed like the Human one supposedly has.
[18:49] <DanaG> My windeco is Tropic without the red button.
[18:50] <psyke83> I'm on windows atm, can you paste your gtkrc to a pastebin? Then I'll edit it to show you how you can specify different engines
[18:53] <DanaG> Sure.
[18:53] <DanaG> !pastebin
[18:54] <DanaG> The color is a slight override of my own theme:  http://pastebin.com/f33bf9fd9  -- the index.theme for the color-match-to-bridge one
[18:54] <DanaG> gtkrc: http://pastebin.com/ffaeda72
[18:58] <psyke83> DanaG: let's imagine you only want to change the scrollbar in your theme to use murrine: http://pastebin.com/m2e1db132 (just an excerpt)
[18:59] <psyke83> conversely, if you want to have a theme that uses murrine for the majority of its widgets, you'd replace the engine subsection in "fedora-default" with murrine, and of course, use murrine's engine options instead: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2008-June/006567.html
[19:00] <psyke83> it's better to look at the Human gtkrc from Intrepid, but that post as a copy of the new engine options
[19:01] <psyke83> *has
[19:02] <DanaG> Hmm, would I copy the options from the Nodoka default definition into the override section for those components?
[19:04] <DanaG> stepper style.... what's a "stepper"?  Is that the spinbutton?
[19:04] <psyke83> you mean, if you wanted a theme using murrine for the majority of widgets? Yes, you'd need to put the engine options into those sections
[19:05] <DanaG> YEah.  I'd intend to use Murrine for everything that can match the current appearance; I'd use an override for things that won't match well with Murrine.
[19:05] <psyke83> it's the "direction arrow" part of the scrollbar
[19:05] <DanaG> Aah.
[19:05] <psyke83> I haven't tested the latest murrine snapshot, but the stepper styles didn't seem to be complete
[19:06] <psyke83> *for the older snapshot
[19:07] <psyke83> you will need to define engine options in each section, but it's not as bad as you would imagine. For example, the animation option is only relevent to the "*-progressbar" style, and the others are obvious
[19:08] <DanaG> Cool.
[19:08] <DanaG> Well, that gives me something useful to work on for today.
[19:08] <DanaG> s/for //
[19:09] <psyke83> Cimi_: have you improved the Nodoka widget emulation lately?
[19:10] <psyke83> I mean, do you intend to allow the engine to look identical to Nodoka when using "style = NODOKA", or is it only about the gradients?
[19:12] <Cimi_> which widget actually differs?
[19:14] <psyke83> the frame rounding, the steppers, the listview header divisions, the checkmarks and radiobuttons, and maybe other stuff
[19:15] <psyke83> I didn't get a chance to test the latest SVN release, still stuck with the older release in Intrepid. I was just curious if you intend to make it emulate everything "as exactly as possible"
[19:25] <LaserJock> greetings, does anybody know how I can get my hands on the icons that are on the Ubuntu wiki and website?
[19:25] <_MMA_> Got a link to whatcha need?
[19:25] <_MMA_> LaserJock: To the images?
[19:26] <LaserJock> _MMA_: well, I'm trying to work on Edubuntu's website
[19:26] <LaserJock> and I'd like to get icon images that are consistent with the rest of Ubuntu
[19:27] <_MMA_> "icons that are on the Ubuntu wiki and website?" Is just kinda vague. :)
[19:27] <LaserJock> _MMA_: sorry ;-)
[19:28] <_MMA_> Since I can link to many icons/sets/what have you. :)
[19:28] <LaserJock> I'm trying to make an equivalent of http://www.ubuntu.com/community/
[19:29] <LaserJock> so the globe and "Hi!" images
[19:29] <LaserJock> is there a set of those somewhere?
[19:29] <_MMA_> I would just rip those images. Some might be from Tango. Some look custom.
[19:30] <LaserJock> right, I just need *additional* images so I was wondering if there was maybe a fuller set to choose from
[19:31] <tretle> Cimi_ http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2008/04/01/flat-menubars-and-toolbars-for-murrine-rgba-ugly-hack-d/ when you talk about the menubar are you talking about the menubar ion gnome-panel?
[19:31] <_MMA_> "Hi!" looks custom. The globe "looks" Tango-ish but I dont think is the one used in the set.
[19:31] <_MMA_> s/"looks"/*looks*
[19:31] <LaserJock> _MMA_: if I just install tang-icon-theme-* would that get me close?
[19:32] <LaserJock> *tango
[19:32] <_MMA_> Yup
[19:32] <_MMA_> LaserJock: Something also to look at: http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Library
[19:33] <LaserJock> doh, I was there last night
[19:33]  * LaserJock needs to learn how to scroll
[19:34] <_MMA_> :P
[19:35] <_MMA_> LaserJock: In any case, I don't know where the sources are. I *think* Matthew Nussem maintains the website?
[19:35] <_MMA_> (my spelling could be off)
[19:35] <LaserJock> it is, but I know who you mean :-)
[19:35] <_MMA_> k
[19:59] <DanaG> /usr/share/themes/Orange Mix/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:78: error: unexpected identifier `stripes', expected character `}'
[19:59] <DanaG> argh.
[20:01] <DanaG> aah, not valid for murrine.
[20:04] <DanaG> Hmm, buttons are about the same... but somehow look a bit glossier.
[20:13] <DanaG> Woah, if you set roundness really high, to like 1000, you get really funky results.
[20:13] <DanaG> =þ
[20:17] <CimiDS> DanaG, yeah, but i don't expect people to do those things
[20:19] <DanaG> It falls under "violating preconditions".
[20:19] <DanaG> Hence the '=þ'
[20:19] <DanaG> Give crazy input, get undefined output; that's to be expected.
[20:21] <CimiDS> it can be fixed easily, but it requires a lot oh new lines
[20:24] <DanaG> Don't bother; I think it's amusing.
[20:24] <DanaG> My comment was more of an "oh hey, that's funny" thing, rather than a "oh hey, this is broken" thing.
[20:27] <CimiDS> clearlooks has that fix, using radius = 1000.0 shpulg give better results
[20:27] <CimiDS> should
[20:55] <DanaG> You could also just put a warning:  "WARNING: Using roundness over <threshold> may give very odd results."
[20:55] <DanaG> ... though that could be annoying if somebody does it deliberately.
[21:06] <DanaG> "     You can't implement those scrollbars without hacks, and I really don't want hacks in my code" -- hmm, what kind of hacks?
[21:13]  * DanaG wishes Stardock would make stuff for Linux... but then it'd have to be open-sourced.
[21:20] <CimiDS> DanaG, i'm quite sure that thecode for the concave steppers is in the scrollbar_slider
[21:21] <DanaG> That _is_ funky, you're right.
[21:21] <CimiDS> maybe tne drawing is splitted
[21:22] <DanaG> Oh yeah, the focus thing is another one: http://www.cimitan.com/murrine/mockups/gallery  -- the "say no to ugly dotted"
[21:22] <CimiDS> they draw the steppers
[21:22] <CimiDS> then the rounded part is drawnin the slider
[21:23] <CimiDS> i agree with the focus
[21:24] <DanaG> Oh yeah, behavior when clicking the rounded part of the scrollbar is also hard to define.
[21:25] <DanaG> Hmm, I guess I could live with square scrollbars, as long as the styling is right -- but for now, having the _outer_ part of the stepper be rounded, looks odd.
[21:25] <DanaG> Currently, when using Nodoka in OpenOffice, it somehow gets square scrollbars, and still looks fine to me.
[21:26] <DanaG> But the focus thing gets me, for now.
[21:28]  * DanaG wonders what sort of theme will stylistically fit with this brushed-metal laptop:  http://blog.laptopmag.com/hp-debuts-elitebook-adds-10-notebooks-to-business-lineup    http://www.slashgear.com/hp-elitebook-6930p-boasts-up-to-24hr-battery-life-0815536.php#more-15536
[21:29] <DanaG> Tabs are also a bit different between the two engines.
[21:39] <DanaG> http://www.geocities.com/samuelgoh21/DDWRT_BASIC_repeater.jpg
[21:39] <DanaG> Oh hey, the dd-wrt firmware has a theme that that New Wave could take some ideas from.
[21:39] <DanaG> http://codefromthe70s.org/images/dummynet_ddwrt.png


[14:29] <slyon> o/
[14:30] <slyon> #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status
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[14:30] <slyon> Ping for MIR meeting - didrocks joalif slyon sarnold c_paelzer jamespage ( eslerm dviererbe )
[14:30] <sarnold> good morning
[14:30] <eslerm> hello o/
[14:31] <slyon> some people are on a canonical event, so we can expect reduced attendance
[14:31] <sarnold> this is already more than I expected :)
[14:31] <slyon> I did a brief pre-check for today's meeting: It should be a quick one ;-)
[14:31] <slyon> #topic current component mismatches
[14:31] <slyon> Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams
[14:31] <slyon> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg
[14:31] <slyon> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
[14:32] <slyon> ^ the reports seem broken (empty)
[14:32] <slyon> But they showed nothing unusual earlier today. All known in c-m and c-m-p
[14:32] <slyon> #topic New MIRs
[14:32] <slyon> Mission: ensure to assign all incoming reviews for fast processing
[14:32] <slyon> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[14:32] <sarnold> I never use the .txt versions so I can't quite say what normal looks like https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/component-mismatches-proposed.txt
[14:33] <slyon> right, the HTML report also shows lots of stuff. Looks like we're in the middle of archive opening ;-) https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/component-mismatches-proposed.html
[14:34] <sarnold> this one looks way more like what I expected https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt
[14:35] <sarnold> yeah, there's enough here that I think we're seeing "archive being opened" broken, not "something's busted with the cronjob" broken
[14:35] <slyon> right, we should probably skip ahead until after pre-release freeze
[14:35] <slyon> We don't have any new MIRs in our queue.
[14:35] <slyon> #topic Incomplete bugs / questions
[14:35] <slyon> Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams
[14:35] <slyon> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[14:36] <slyon> No updates since last week's meeting
[14:36] <slyon> #topic Process/Documentation improvements
[14:36] <slyon> Mission: Review pending process/documentation pull-requests or issues
[14:36] <slyon> #link https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/pulls
[14:36] <slyon> #link https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/issues
[14:36] <slyon> No open Issues or PRs
[14:36] <slyon> #topic MIR related Security Review Queue
[14:36] <slyon> Mission: Check on progress, do deadlines seem doable?
[14:36] <slyon> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+bugs?field.searchtext=%5BMIR%5D&assignee_option=choose&field.assignee=ubuntu-security&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[14:36] <slyon> Internal link
[14:36] <slyon> #link https://warthogs.atlassian.net/jira/software/c/projects/SEC/boards/594
[14:37] <slyon> I've just finished reviewing dbus-broker earlier today (LP: #2015538), which we should put into the security queue (cc seb128)
[14:37] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2015538 in dbus-broker (Ubuntu) "[MIR] dbus-broker" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2015538
[14:38] <slyon> how are the queues processing sarnold/eslerm? Any update since last week?
[14:38] <sarnold> I believe eslerm has been working on the printing libs, he's been discussing coverity bugs with upstream author; I wouldn't expect much progress for the next two weeks
[14:38] <sarnold> s/bugs/findings/
[14:38] <slyon> ACK.
[14:39] <slyon> #topic Any other business?
[14:39] <sarnold> I wouldn't be surprised if next week's meeting doesn't happen; the week after that, I'm on PTO; so, possibly, it'll be a few weeks for me
[14:40] <slyon> Right. We did have in-person MIR meetings in the past at engineering sprints. But that's not guaranteed.
[14:40] <slyon> I guess many of us will meet at the sprint next week!
[14:40] <slyon> I nothing else, that's all for this week!
[14:41] <sarnold> woot, thanks slyon, eslerm :)
[14:41] <eslerm> \o/
[14:41] <slyon> #endmeeting
[14:41] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 14:41:16 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2023/ubuntu-meeting.2023-04-25-14.30.moin.txt
[15:29] <luna_> o/
[15:30] <luna_> MIR meeting time? or is people in Prauge?
[15:52] <schopin> luna_: The MIR meeting concluded around 50mn ago
[15:54] <luna_> schopin: ah guess i had the wrong time in my calendar then whoops
[15:54] <adrien> TZ strikes again?
[15:57] <schopin> I blame whoever did the last tzdata updates ;)
[16:18] <adrien> the nice thing with being on foundations is that there's always somone close to blame for any bug we encounter


[07:42] <smartboyhw> !support
[07:42] <smartboyhw> Let me switch that to our own channel:P
[07:46] <smartboyhw> !support-#ubuntustudio-devel is <reply> This is the Ubuntu Studio development channel. Our official support channel is on #ubuntustudio. Also see http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=335
[09:55] <zequence> smartboyhw: Is Ho your lastname. Which is your first name?
[10:26] <smartboyhw> zequence, why?
[10:32] <zequence> smartboyhw: I just thought it might be nice to know your name. I know traditionally Chinese always put their last name first, but since I'm not used to the names, it's hard for me to tell which is which.
[10:33] <zequence> I know it's common also to keep a western name, but if I know your actual name, I'd rather use that
[10:34] <zequence> I've updated the header. Now, both https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ have the same style of headers
[10:35] <smartboyhw> My real name is Chan Ho Wan. Chan is my surname, Ho Wan is my first name. But then my English name is Howard, and I'd prefer using Howard Chan.
[10:36] <zequence> Chan is not the same as Zhang and Chang, then?
[10:36] <zequence> If you prefer Howard, the that is what I will use :)
[10:37] <zequence> I just need to make it clearer which wiki one is on. It's a little hard to tell right now :P
[10:38] <zequence> Also, I need to put it on many of our important pages
[12:24] <IdleOne> !support | smartboyhw
[12:25] <IdleOne> :)
[14:03] <len-1304> hyperthreading is bad for lowlatency, didn't know that.
[14:04] <len-1304> The Linux console is bad for it too.
[14:10] <smartboyhw> zequence, yes
[14:10] <smartboyhw> Good one there
[14:11] <zequence> len-1304: What is Linux console?
[14:12] <len-1304> ctl-alt-F1 to 6
[14:13] <smartboyhw> zequence, nice headers for the wiki/
[14:13] <len-1304> Apparently, it uses kprint to write test to screen, which can take too much time if the text is long.
[14:14] <len-1304> zequence, have you looked at the "nosoftlockup intel_idle.max_cstate=0 mce=ignore_ce kernel options?
[14:14] <zequence> len-1304: How is Linux Console bad for lowlatency?
[14:15] <zequence> len-1304: I haven't looked at the config, no.
[14:15] <len-1304> I guess the consloe output of text to screen is atomic
[14:15] <len-1304> *console
[14:16] <zequence> len-1304: You mean, if actively using the linux console, that is bad for lowlatency?
[14:16] <len-1304> The recomendation is to use ssh instead.
[14:16] <len-1304> Yes, also if the console logging was left on that is bad too.
[14:17] <len-1304> I think we have it set to quiet at boot, Good.
[14:17] <zequence> len-1304: The nosoftlockup is a kernel parameter than, which can be set as a Grub boot option? What is your source for this
[14:17] <len-1304> http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bc/docs/support/SupportManual/c01804533/c01804533.pdf
[14:18] <len-1304> All of the options I stated are boot options.
[14:18] <len-1304> I started looking at SMI stuff, which was new to me.
[14:19] <len-1304> I got started on this whole thing from:
[14:19] <len-1304> http://manual.ardour.org/setting-up-your-system/the-right-computer-system-for-digital-audio/
[14:20] <len-1304> I have also found that USB Keyboards and mice are bad for latency.
[14:21] <len-1304> Apparently the stock exchange people are really picky about latency. They are probaly doing more realtime reseach than in audio.
[14:21] <len-1304> (ALSA being one of the extra services they turn off)
[14:22] <zequence> I've saved this stuff for later. I was actually just about to start doing some kernel testing, while I study here at school
[14:22] <smartboyhw> zequence, the IT courses?
[14:24] <zequence> smartboyhw: I'm studying for different certificates. Linux, Cisco, etc
[14:24] <smartboyhw> zequence, add oil
[14:27] <smartboyhw> Hey scott-work
[14:48] <scott-work> morning smartboyhw
[16:48] <zequence> I'm surrounded by Windows nerds at the school I go to
[16:49] <zequence> A quote "you can't have all existing drivers distributed in a all-in-one package"
[16:49] <zequence> "It would take too much room"
[16:49] <zequence> space*
[16:50] <zequence> These Windows guys just can't believe the idea that you just install an OS, and everything just works
[16:51] <zequence> Made me wonder, how much of available linux drivers, that are legally possible to distribute, are not distributed with, say Ubuntu
[16:51] <zequence> I'm kind of thinking less then 5%, but then, I don't know what "all" means
[17:34] <zequence> Found this site, a database for drivers on Debian systems http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/
[20:13] <zequence> ttoine: So, the interview is tomorrow, right?
[20:14] <zequence> I've been putting too much time on header design. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Navigation/HeaderStaging
[22:18] <ttoine> zequence, yes
[23:32] <zequence> ttoine: I wrote down a couple questions more
[23:34] <zequence> It's really hard. It does seem like Stephane has commited every change to jack2, I think all of them
[23:34] <zequence> But, not his patches, all of them
[23:34] <zequence> Seems like he's the administrator of the code, or something
[23:39] <zequence> Just had a look at the git logs, and that shows a different story
[23:39] <zequence> But, Stephane is still the guy who does the most commits
[23:40] <zequence> It's late. Good luck with the interview tomorrow :)


[01:44] <Isla_de_Muerte> Hi, a quick n00b question. I've currently got 3 HDDs which are pointing at the same /datafolder through LVM but I've noticed that one of them is dying (according to HDSentinel) and it's the one with the Ubuntu installed on it. Is there a way to check which files are on that HDD and move them out somehow? Plus from my understanding (now..) LVM is not such a good idea after all?
[02:05] <compdoc> I never learned LVM because years ago utilities like clonezilla didnt work with it
[06:47] <lordievader> Isla_de_Muerte: How is the volume configured?
[10:40] <Isla_de_Muerte> lordievader, How can I show you? Really can't recall..
[10:41] <lordievader> Isla_de_Muerte: `lvdisplay -ma <path-to-logical-volume>` shows a lot of details.
[10:46] <Isla_de_Muerte> lordievader, here was a df -h a while back https://pastebin.com/TWz474TK (almost nothing changed) and here is lvdisplay https://pastebin.com/RGYtWnqj
[10:53] <lordievader> You have a very strange LVM setup. This volume is spread (linearly) over /dev/sda1, /dev/sdb1, and a logical volume /dev/ubuntu-vg/sdc3.
[10:55] <lordievader> Now you also need to figure out where the sdc3 LV is located. Then you can do some pvmove-ing to move the data off the bad disk. After doing that you can replace the bad disk.
[10:58] <Isla_de_Muerte> If I am not mistaken the sdc3 is the new HDD I've temporarily mounted to see what files it got
[10:58] <Isla_de_Muerte> Ah no, that is sdd1 nvm that
[10:59] <Isla_de_Muerte> The sdc3 got the ubuntu installation
[10:59] <lordievader> Could you provide the output of `sudo pvs`?
[10:59] <lordievader> Oh, and what is the bad disk?
[11:02] <Isla_de_Muerte> https://pastebin.com/nHzMZ6bV and the sdc is the problematic one
[11:04] <lordievader> You don't have free space in your volume group? Brr, this is going to be tricky.
[11:05] <lordievader> Essentially what you want to do is move the logical volumes ubuntu-lv and vg01-lv01 from sdc. That way you can replace disk.
[11:09] <Isla_de_Muerte> Yeah that thing is full -.-'
[11:09] <Isla_de_Muerte> Do you also recommend me to split them up or something? Because I read that if one of the HDDs die the whole lvm is useless :/
[11:11] <lordievader> Unless the underlaying storage is in raid one... yes, you would be in bad weather if one of the HDDs dies.
[11:11] <lordievader> Best case scenario you just loose the data which was on that particular drive.
[11:12] <lordievader> A better approach would be to bundle drives in twos and put the logical volumes in raid1 config.
[11:13] <lordievader> I personally have the strategy of keeping volumes as small as possible. This allows me to move things around if I need to.
[11:17] <Isla_de_Muerte> I backup the whole box, so I don't mind if I use the maximum capacity I can.
[11:17] <Isla_de_Muerte> I currently got an old backup though that's why I'm a bit worried..
[11:40] <lordievader> <Isla_de_Muerte "I backup the whole box, so I don"> But you do throw away your flexibility with this.
[14:12] <vlm> with iproute or ip command can make routed tunnels,is its possible to add some auth function to this?
[14:13] <sdeziel> vlm: auth as in authenticated peers?
[14:15] <vlm> sdeziel: like the HE tunnels ,a username and password for the tunnel itself,dont need different users dunno if that counts as a peer?
[14:16] <vlm> dont need many different users i ment,just need one username/pw
[14:18] <sdeziel> vlm: for HE tunnels, the username/password is only to allow yourself to whitelist/re-associate your IPv4 as your tunnel endpoint
[14:18] <Triffid_Hunter> vlm: https://backreference.org/2014/11/12/on-the-fly-ipsec-vpn-with-iproute2/ may interest you
[14:19] <vlm> sdeziel: ohh i got it all wrong then,i thought it was a means of authing the tunnel itself hmm,so i guess it might not be possible then?
[14:20] <sdeziel> vlm: what you describe sounds like a VPN to me
[14:20] <vlm> when i think of it it indeed does hehe
[14:21] <sdeziel> vlm: are your tunnel peers using static IPs that you know already?
[14:24] <vlm> sdeziel: i dont got it setup yet though,was just thinking about setup one,just that if i setup one i dont feel like sharing it about,id like to be the only user,but then again others trying to use it would have to know the network of the endpoint to be able to use it?
[14:27] <vlm> think ill have to do some more reading on the matter thanks for help atleast
[14:28] <sdeziel> vlm: yes, with static tunnels, both sides need to be aware of each others. With a VPN, the peering can be more dynamic
[16:37] <evit> If I'm using fail2ban and UFW can I use UFW rate limiting at the same time as fail2ban?
[17:25] <jdstrand> evit: yes
[17:26] <jdstrand> evit: it may be best to rely on fail2ban though since ufw's rate limiting isn't configurable (depends on if it works for you as is or not)
[17:26] <evit> But I can configure SSH server rate limiting on the daemon instead right?
[17:27] <jdstrand> evit: (ie, just use ufw allow <thing> instead of ufw limit <thing>)
[17:27] <evit> jdstrand, Yes, I understand
[17:28] <evit> jdstrand, UFW doesn't seem to allow a lot of options on rate limiting SSH. I will do some more tweaking in ssh server config. I've already locked it down quite a bit. Just want to make a cybercriminal run home to mommy crying. =)
[17:29] <jdstrand> evit: the sshd_config MaxStartups has potential for DoS. it is a little inflexible
[17:30] <jdstrand> evit: fail2ban has threshold settings iirc that you can tune flexibly
[17:31] <jdstrand> if using fail2ban with ufw, I suggest updating the ufw rules to use 'ufw prepend' if it isn't already doing so
[17:31] <jdstrand> (fyi)
[17:32] <jdstrand> (eg, in /etc/fail2ban/action.d/ufw.conf; instead of ufw insert...)
[17:33] <jdstrand> :q
[17:33] <jdstrand> whoops
[17:34] <evit> jdstrand, So make sure the fail2ban config recognizes I'm using UFW vs IPtables?
[17:39] <evit> jdstrand, What would you recommend for Maxstartups?
[17:40] <jdstrand> evit: I was just saying, if you are going to use the ufw action, make sure it uses 'ufw prepend'. the iptables one is fine to use so long as you use the default ufw config of MANAGE_BUILTINS=no from /etc/default/ufw
[17:42] <jdstrand> evit: as for Maxstartups, I find it too difficult to use in production and rely on fail2ban. it takes a while to get Maxstartups set correctly for typical usage and even when you do, someone could dos you
[17:42] <jdstrand> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Configuring#Rate-limit_the_connections discusses that a bit
[17:43] <jdstrand> s/and rely/and suggest relying on/
[17:43] <evit> jdstrand, I understand
[17:43] <evit> ooops
[17:46] <evit> jdstrand, Thanks
[17:47] <jdstrand> yw
[17:48] <evit> jdstrand, I use Public Key Auth but wish Ubuntu server had latest SSH version. I'd love to use MFA. It's not perfect either but hey...
[17:53] <evit> FIDO/U2F support in 8.2 https://www.openssh.com/releasenotes.html
[17:53] <jdstrand> evit: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS is just around the corner :)
[17:54] <evit> jdstrand, Yes, and I will be upgrading then. =)
[17:54] <evit> later this year, Q3 or 4
[17:54] <jdstrand> it still has 1:8.1p1-5, but hopefully it will be new enough for you
[17:55] <jdstrand> hopefully focal will be updated and new enough for you*
[17:55] <evit> jdstrand, It would be good to have FIDO/U2F support in 8.3
[17:57] <evit> But I understand the desire for a focus on stability vs. new features so I can wait if need be
[17:59] <evit> jdstrand, Thanks again, enjoy your weekend!
[17:59] <jdstrand> you too! :)
[18:17] <sdeziel> I believe the plan is to have OpenSSH 8.2 included in 20.04
[18:41] <rbasak> sdeziel: on the nginx IPv4 mapped logged, am I right in thinking that the full IPv6 address cannot be reconstructed from the IPv4 mapped address? I have been assuming so because it doesn't have enough bits.
[19:00] <sdeziel> rbasak: hmm, I don't think we are referring to the same thing. I'm talking about addresses represented like that: "::ffff:<IP_ADDRESS>". Those are legitimate IPv4-mapped IPv6 where the first 96 bit uses a known prefix and then the last 32bit represents the IPv4
[19:37] <rbasak> sdeziel: oh
[19:37] <rbasak> In reverse to what I had assumed. My mistake.
[19:37] <rbasak> That's not so bad.
[19:38] <rbasak> As what I had been thinking it was.
[19:38] <sdeziel> cool
[19:38] <rbasak> That might be a reasonable change to make in a new Ubuntu release.
[19:38] <rbasak> (though not in a stable release)
[19:38] <sdeziel> are you drawing the line before or after 20.04 ?
[19:39] <rbasak> I'm open to doing it in 20.04, subject to others' opinions.
[19:39] <rbasak> Any other risks?
[19:41] <sdeziel> I'm not qualified to asses that but there must be a reason why upstream sets ipv6only=on by default. I also can't explain why they default to listening on IPv4 only...
[19:41] <sdeziel> I have not contacted them
[19:41] <rbasak> That's a good point.
[19:41] <rbasak> We should ask them.
[20:13] <DammitJim> do you guys have any recommendations on anti malware software for Ubuntu 18 servers?
[20:15] <rbasak> DammitJim: clamav is in main in Ubuntu
[20:15] <rbasak> Is that sufficient for you?
[20:15] <DammitJim> I'll take a look
[20:15] <DammitJim> I need to know if there is centralized management for it
[20:15] <rbasak> I'm not sure what form that would take.
[20:15] <rbasak> What sort of management do you mean?
[20:16] <DammitJim> so that I have a dashboard to ensure all my servers are up to date with definitions, agent versions, scan results, etc
[20:16] <DammitJim> and possible infections
[20:16] <rbasak> I'm not aware of that kind of thing being integrated in the package we ship.
[20:16] <rbasak> But I think there's enough access to the pieces that you can do what you need.
[20:16] <DammitJim> thanks!
[20:17] <DammitJim> what do you mean by access to the pieces?
[20:18] <rbasak> I mean that clamav definition updates can be scripted, and their status can be accessed via script, etc
[20:18] <rbasak> Also I see that monitoring-plugins-basic (in universe) has a check_clamd plugin
[20:19] <rbasak> For scan results, I expect clamav logs in one of the usual ways
[20:19] <rbasak> So it should integrate with most usual status monitoring and log monitoring systems.
[20:19] <DammitJim> thanks rbasak ... sounds like a project, but an option nontheless
[20:20] <rbasak> You're welcome. Hope it works out!
[20:20] <DammitJim> ty


[00:37] <fisch246> well that's annoying...
[00:37] <fisch246> i had to create a fallback cause of my issues with 11.04 that just exploded
[00:39] <fisch246> klynch: no new developments btw
[00:40] <fisch246> i doubt it's the kernel though, since i can get connected
[00:41] <fisch246> i should go into #linux and say "i hate cairo-dock, KDE, and openSUSE" and see how many death threats i get XD
[00:57] <FloatingGoat> >.>
[00:57] <FloatingGoat> <.<
[01:57] <Takyoji> Ooo, GNOME 3 quite nice and shiney.
[01:58] <Takyoji> GNOME 3 is*
[01:58] <Takyoji> Seems like it'd even be suitable for touchscreen devices
[01:59] <Takyoji> I might even go to the extent of installing Fedora with GNOME 3
[02:00] <Takyoji> You know, I think I actually will
[02:01] <Takyoji> so much more usable than Unity, and much more beautiful than 11.04. xP
[02:01] <Takyoji> Too bad Fedora couldn't be dpkg-based.
[02:19] <fisch246> ew.... gnome 3 sucks
[02:20] <fisch246> Takyoji: guess what... my wifi driver doesn't work fully with Natty
[02:20] <fisch246> congrats... you win :P
[02:20] <Takyoji> which?
[02:20] <fisch246> b43
[02:20] <fisch246> it only works partially
[02:20] <fisch246> enough to use the web
[02:24] <fisch246> and apparently tvmobli doesn't work on natty either >.<
[02:24] <fisch246> i think i might just rollback to 10.10
[02:25] <fisch246> i can't upload anything to the server, and i can't install it on my machine...
[02:25] <fisch246> my PC just became useless again...
[02:35] <FloatingGoat> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM0xCIZVUrw&lc
[02:36] <FloatingGoat> fisch246: thats me
[02:48] <fisch246> no sound at the end of the vid
[03:53] <Takyoji> Dangit, left before I could troll. :P
[04:16] <fisch246> Takyoji: want to troll me instead?
[04:16] <fisch246> i found out today my wifi driver isn't fully supported anymore by natty
[04:16] <tonyyarusso> lolregression
[04:34] <Takyoji> but yes, what's the full manufacturer and model name of the wireless card?
[04:35] <Takyoji> Broadcom b43xx or something?
[04:46] <fisch246> 4312
[04:47] <fisch246> the STA driver doesn't work with my card
[04:52] <Takyoji> Doesn't it use the NDISWrapper for that?
[04:52] <Takyoji> rather than a native driver.
[18:15] <FloatingGoat> Hey anyone here got an agp card they are willing to sell?
[22:13] <Takyoji> For some odd reason I can't change my wallpaper..
[23:05] <fisch246> to be honest... i was hoping for a better keynote >.>
[23:19] <ColinHarrington> What keynote?
[23:34] <Takyoji> Ubuntu Developer Summit


[08:22] <svschwartz> hi all! ubuntu global jam today, right ?
[08:25] <dholbach> global jam meeting later on, yes
[08:25] <dholbach> 18 UTC
[08:50] <GidgetKitchen> Test
[18:28] <tgpraveen1> i am guessing the gloabal jam meeting is over?
[18:29] <andol> tgpraveen1: No, shouldn't start for another half an hour.
[18:30] <tgpraveen1> k.thx'
[18:33] <hollman> hello *
[18:38] <YoBoY> hi
[18:50] <GidgetKitchen> Hello all
[18:50] <czajkowski> Aloha
[18:50] <dholbach> heya
[18:51] <itnet7> Hey there!
[18:53] <akgraner> greetings and salutations  :-)
[18:53]  * travmon  waves to everyone
[18:53] <jono> hi all :)
[18:54] <andresmujica1> ..
[18:54] <travmon> did i miss the meeting?
[18:54] <jono> travmon, nop
[18:54] <jono> nope
[18:54] <jono> starts in five mins
[18:54] <travmon> nice
[18:54] <jcastro> \o/
[18:55] <travmon> ic   mixed up my time zone hehe
[18:56] <natewiebe13> whats the meeting about? (out of curiosity)
[18:56]  * pleia2 waves
[18:56] <jcastro> natewiebe13: we're talking about the weather.
[18:56] <natewiebe13> haha
[18:56] <jcastro> j/k it's about the Global Bug Jam
[18:57] <natewiebe13> so you discuss major bugs?
[18:57] <dholbach> jcastro: the Ubuntu Globa Jam!
[18:57] <dholbach> jcastro: the Ubuntu Global Jam!
[18:57] <dholbach> :-)
[18:57]  * jcastro whistles
[18:57] <jcastro> wow I am out of it
[18:58] <dholbach> after a quick round of introductions we should probably do a Q&A part first :)
[18:58] <akgraner> jcastro, no more caffeine for you
[18:58] <natewiebe13> we'll i'll just watch and see :P
[18:58] <fabrice_sp> o/
[18:58]  * maco waves
[18:58] <jcastro> hmm, we should talk about redirecting /GlobalBugJam today ...
[18:58] <itnet7> akgraner: caffeine is what gets you through!
[18:58] <maco> or adderall
[18:59] <akgraner> itnet7, pete hides the caffeine from me..:-(  so sad
[18:59] <jono> jcastro, well volunteered :)
[18:59] <andresmujica1> o/
[18:59] <travmon> hmm  caffeine
[19:00] <jono> ok folks
[19:00] <jono> should we kick things off?
[19:01] <jono> who is here for the Global Jam meeting?
[19:01] <YoBoY> i am
[19:01] <dholbach> o/
[19:01] <andresmujica1> o/
[19:01]  * andol is, but mostly to listen, he thinks
[19:01] <rrnwexec> present.
[19:01] <nuvolari> o/
[19:01] <magespawn> 0/
[19:01] <ianto> Naturally
[19:01] <fabrice_sp> o/
[19:01] <hollman> o/
[19:01] <akgraner> o/
[19:01]  * pedro_ waves
[19:01] <bdmurray> o/
[19:01] <jono> wow, great turn out :)
[19:01] <dholbach> shall we do a quick introductions to learn who's from which loco and stuff?
[19:01] <jono> thanks everyone for joining
[19:01] <itnet7> o/
[19:01] <jono> dholbach, good idea
[19:01] <nixternal_> oi oi
[19:02] <travmon> :)
[19:02] <nellery> o/
[19:02] <jono> everyone feel free to share one line about who you are and which LoCo you are with....
[19:02] <GidgetKitchen> o/
[19:02]  * dholbach is Daniel Holbach from the Ubuntu Berlin team - we did a few jams already and we're looking forward to the Ubuntu Global Jam this time! :)
[19:02] <jono> Jono Bacon, Ubuntu California LoCo
[19:02] <rrnwexec> hi, I'm Randall, chief Buzz Generator from Ubuntu Vancouver LoCo
[19:02] <ianto> I am Chris from Ubuntu Cymru, first Jam this time around :)
[19:02] <czajkowski> Aloha I'm from Ubuntu Irish LoCo - we hoping to run a few mini work shops online soon in preparation for global jam
[19:02] <itnet7> Chris Crisafulli, Ubuntu Florida Loco
[19:02] <maco> Mackenzie, DC Team
[19:03] <pleia2> Elizabeth Krumbach, Ubuntu Pennsylvania
[19:03]  * andresmujica1 is Andrés Mujica from Colombian team !!
[19:03] <hollman> I'm Hollman Enciso, the LoCo contact U-co
[19:03] <nixternal_> Rich Johnson, Chicago LoCo
[19:03] <travmon> Travis Monteith   fisrt timer here
[19:03] <hollman> andresmujica, :P
[19:03] <Yasumoto> Joe Smith, Ubuntu California
[19:03] <akgraner> Amber Graner, North Carolina LoCo..  1st Jam for us..
[19:03] <pedro_> Pedro Villaicencio from the Chilean LoCo team
[19:03] <nuvolari> Johan Mynhardt from Ubuntu South Africa LoCo
[19:03] <kn100> Kevin Norman, from Ubuntu Cym
[19:03]  * YoBoY is from the french Loco team, have made the last bug jam in paris, planning to do bug jam and doc jam for the global jam
[19:03] <jono> wow, folks from California, Berlin, Vancouver, Wales, Ireland, Florida, DC, Pennyslvania, Chicaco, Columbia, North Carolina, Chile, South Africa, French :-)
[19:04] <GidgetKitchen> Mark Terranova California LoCo  & GidgetKitchen
[19:04] <jono> thats awesome!
[19:04] <jono> thanks everyone for joining us
[19:04] <kn100> that's ubuntu :)
[19:04] <magespawn> Greg Eames South Africa LoCo
[19:04] <jono> so, I just want to start with the problem
[19:04]  * jcastro is from ubuntu-us-michigan - hi everyone!
[19:04] <kn100> what a great time for a netsplit eh
[19:04] <travmon> oh forgot i in New Brunswick Canada
[19:04] <dholbach> . o O { speaking of problems... netsplit :-) }
[19:04] <jono> ok
[19:04] <jono> :)
[19:05]  * andol is from the Swedish LoCo, and plans to use this Jam as a kickoff for some local bug triage work
[19:05] <jono> so lets start with the problem...
[19:05] <jono> ...https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam/Events
[19:05] <jono> not enough events :)
[19:05] <jono> I am really keen to see what we can do to encourage more LoCo teams to take part in the Ubuntu Global Jam
[19:05] <kn100> oh god.. this is gonna be a fun meeting
[19:05] <jono> heh
[19:05] <YoBoY> ho, haven't marked my team yet ^^"
[19:06] <andresmujica1> oeee la ola!!!
[19:06] <jono> ok :)
[19:06] <rrnwexec> Ubuntu Vancouver is planning a bug jam, possibly more. Will update the page.
[19:06] <jono> cool :)
[19:07] <kn100> ubuntu-cym is taking part
[19:07] <Mean-Machine> eveninkz
[19:07] <pleia2> Pennsylvania will be adding ours once we get formal confirmation of our location
[19:07] <jono> I am really keen to see how we can encourage better awareness of the event and get people involved
[19:07] <pleia2> (we're doing a Mythbuntu Installfest/Jam)
[19:07] <natewiebe13> im from london ontario (not on a team.. just watching for fun :))
[19:08] <czajkowski> I think a good idea would be to get LoCo's to sign up to the page, small things like venue can be worked out late
[19:08] <jono> so it sees the first goal could be to encourage teams from California, Berlin, Vancouver, Wales, Ireland, Florida, DC, Pennyslvania, Chicaco, Columbia, North Carolina, Chile, South Africa and France to get involved with events :-)
[19:08] <jono> czajkowski, entirely afree :)
[19:08] <czajkowski> if they are stuck for help on how to run one we can help on the mailing list or in -locoteams.
[19:09] <nixternal> jono: nhandler, j1mc, and myself will hammer out a few events when we can all get together
[19:09] <jono> czajkowski, yeah, we should encourage Q+A in #ubuntu-locoteams more
[19:09] <jono> nixternal, awesome, can you add something to the page
[19:09] <nixternal> will do, and it is Chicago, not Chicaco :p
[19:09] <czajkowski> So we are using DIt, and I've yet to confirm it, it;s a minor issue. others I'm sure are in similar boats re venue, so it's not a big deal and not somthing to get bogged down over
[19:09]  * dholbach hugs nixternal
[19:09] <jono> as boredandblogging pointed out on the list, I think it is important to note that you don't have to do everything at an event
[19:09]  * nixternal hugs dholbach
[19:09]  * Mean-Machine hugs czajkowski
[19:10] <czajkowski> jono: aye Q&A in -locoteams channel would be great as it means people are more inclined to ask questions in there sometimes, as mailing lists tend to be noisey
[19:10] <Mean-Machine> czajkowski <- ubuntu-ie event organizer :D
[19:10] <jono> maybe a Q+A session every two weeks could be useful with some identified people answering the questions
[19:10] <jono> ?
[19:10] <rrnwexec> in Vancouver, we are considering a Translation Jam as well, since we have a very diverse population
[19:10] <dholbach> I have a question which is a bit of a follow-up from the post I did on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>today... Who did NOT mail out the news about the Ubuntu Global Jam to lots of mailing lists / forums / magazines / etc. of their country team?
[19:10] <pleia2> a formal Q&A in #ubuntu-classroom (where other classes are held and promoted) would be welcome too, just like with the GlobalBugJams
[19:11] <czajkowski> for those running their first bugjam, don't worry about doing all of the tasks, take one perhaps and work on that, would be my suggestion.
[19:11] <jono> dholbach, good question
[19:11] <Mean-Machine> linux format is quite keen on printing planned linux related events
[19:12]  * dholbach is guilty... I could have definitely mailed a few more folks about the global jam
[19:12]  * dholbach adds it to his TODO list
[19:12] <akgraner> we have a venue in NC.. now it's just coming up with a schedule of events and getting folks to come..
[19:12] <jono> ok, would someone be happy to organize Q+A sessions in #ubuntu-locoteams?
[19:12] <jcastro> I think it would help for those of us in teams that are pending to still add themselves to the list and put "pending" or something
[19:13] <YoBoY> hi huats ;)
[19:13] <boredandblogging> think partly we just need to keep the conversation about it going
[19:13] <czajkowski> boredandblogging: aye indeed
[19:13] <jono> boredandblogging, agreed
[19:13] <boredandblogging> we really haven't blogged about it
[19:13] <boredandblogging> not as much anyway
[19:13] <jono> who here has a blog?
[19:13] <jono> o/
[19:13] <huats> hey YoBoY !
[19:13] <akgraner> o/
[19:13] <czajkowski> which is kinda why I suggested #ubuntu-locoteams as peope are in there and could benefit from chit chatting
[19:13] <kn100> o/
[19:13] <boredandblogging> haha
[19:13] <ianto> zo
[19:13] <hollman> o/
[19:13] <maco> o/
[19:13] <ianto> \o
[19:13] <kn100> ianto had to be different :P
[19:13] <jono> \o/ :-)
[19:13] <jono> would you all be happy to write up a blog entry about it?
[19:13] <dholbach> jcastro and nixternal have a blog too!
[19:14] <markjones_> i must admit, i've not heard much about GlobalJam until I spoke to ianto
[19:14] <itnet7> o/
[19:14] <rafael_carreras> o/
[19:14] <nixternal> heh, my blog has been a bit stale...nobody likes me anymore so they don't read it :)
[19:14]  * jono smacks nixternal
[19:14] <kn100> same issue as markjones_ here, but i'd be happy to write a blog entry, it gets 800-900 views a day so :)
[19:14]  * huats likes nixternal...
[19:14] <jono> kn100, perfect!
[19:14] <jcastro> we could also mentioin it during developer week since that's coming up and will attract a bunch of people
[19:14] <jono> ok, so can we each agree to write up a blog entry?
[19:14] <maco> aye
[19:15] <markjones_> yeah, jono: is it worth twittering about GlobalJam?
[19:15] <czajkowski> agreed
[19:15] <nixternal> jono: lets not all write them at the same time
[19:15] <GidgetKitchen> I will unstale our blog & write about it
[19:15] <kn100> jono: what should we write?
[19:15] <ianto> Yeha of course, I first need to migrate my blod however...
[19:15] <magespawn> one from all the loco teams?
[19:15] <huats> jono: we will write at least a blog entry on the french loco one...
[19:15] <jono> markjones_, absolutely!
[19:15] <hollman> yeah
[19:15] <huats> :)
[19:15] <nixternal> one or 2 a day would be good, depending on the planet traffic
[19:15] <jono> kn100, mainly write about what it is, when it is happening and link to the wiki pages
[19:15] <jono> huats, awesome!
[19:15] <ianto> kn100: Cough, mention it on any techy mailing list you are on ;)
[19:16] <kn100> i am not on one mailing list :P
[19:16] <jono> I would recommend that everyone writes it today, but maybe schedule it to be published at a different time
[19:16]  * nixternal seriously needs a whiteboard
[19:16] <kn100> i hate mailing lists
[19:16] <boredandblogging> can we possibly get other linux sites to talk about it? like lwn.net?
[19:16] <jono> then they appear at different times
[19:16] <markjones_> has anybody sent an email to all the Linux User Groups>
[19:16] <jono> boredandblogging, that would be really cool :)
[19:16] <jcastro> yeah someone needs to submit it to lwn
[19:16] <GidgetKitchen> partnering with local LUGs  is another good way
[19:16] <jono> What would be cool is to have a retweeting campaign
[19:16] <GidgetKitchen> identica cough
[19:17] <jono> I will tweet it now
[19:17] <andresmujica1> If each LoCO Team post a note on their website/homepage it would be great, too!
[19:17] <rrnwexec> and a re-denting
[19:17] <huats> GidgetKitchen: that is what we too in France... coordination with LUGS
[19:17] <jcastro> we need a button for the localteam websites
[19:17] <jcastro> like we did for developer week
[19:17] <ianto> Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Linux.com have some sort of blogging platform for members?
[19:17] <maco> yes
[19:17] <andresmujica1> jcastro: Exactly!!
[19:17] <ianto> Some entries on there wouldn't go amiss :)
[19:17] <andresmujica1> ianto: that's true
[19:17] <jono> ok sent
[19:18] <huats> jcastro: that is a goof idea... but please bear in mind the i18n...
[19:18] <jono> ok, I am keen to get some of these ideas assigned to folks
[19:18] <Mean-Machine> notify LXF podcast? it's getting very popular now
[19:18] <jono> so, firstly, who is volunteering to write a blog entry about it?
[19:18] <Mean-Machine> 'tux radar'
[19:18] <mhall119|work> boredandblogging: when's the next Ubuntu podcast?
[19:18] <kn100> i will :)
[19:18] <ianto> \o
[19:18] <huats> jono:  I can...
[19:19] <maco> o/
[19:19] <jcastro> me too
[19:19] <boredandblogging> mhall119|work: hah, next week
[19:19] <rafael_carreras> i will
[19:19] <akgraner> I will
[19:19] <czajkowski> I shall also
[19:19] <kn100> although we will need to schedule them to go out on different days
[19:19] <hollman> o/
[19:19] <czajkowski> we'll also get one on the loco site
[19:19] <jono> ok
[19:19] <itnet7> o/
[19:19] <jono> lets schedule these
[19:20] <jono> one sec
[19:20] <jono> let me just note these down and then paste
[19:21] <ianto> Can we bring up the topic of venues later on in the meeting?
[19:21] <jono> ok the blogging schedule:
[19:21] <jono> huats - blog today
[19:21] <jono> ianto - blog aug 21
[19:21] <jono> kn100 - blog aug 22
[19:21] <jono> maco - blog aug 23
[19:21] <jono> jcastro - blog aug 24
[19:21] <jono> rafael_carreras - blog aug 25
[19:21] <jono> akgraner - blog aug 26
[19:21] <jono> czajkowski - blog aug 27
[19:21] <jono> hollman - blog aug 28
[19:21] <jono> itnet7 - blog aug 29
[19:21] <dholbach> nice :)
[19:22] <itnet7> k
[19:22] <jono> these dates are not cast in stone, but please try and blog, even if on a different date
[19:22] <maco> a schedule? oh my
[19:22] <kn100> perfect
[19:22] <GidgetKitchen> blog when?
[19:22] <jono> I really recommend you write it today and then schedule it to be posted at a different date
[19:22] <jono> many blogging tools allow you to do that
[19:22] <hollman> ok
[19:22] <jono> ok, we had the idea of a Q+A session scheduled about the Ubuntu Global Jam every two weeks
[19:22] <jono> who would like to coordinate this?
[19:23] <jcastro> I can do one
[19:23] <kn100> what would be involved
[19:23] <jono> this will involve setting up the event on the fridge and ensuring some loco leaders are there to answer questions and then promote the meetings
[19:23] <jono> thanks jcastro
[19:23] <jcastro> though this is like my 5th one so any help with these would be appreciated. :D
[19:23] <jono> :)
[19:23] <jono> jcastro, will rock the house :)
[19:23] <czajkowski> jcastro: want a hand ?
[19:24] <jcastro> sure!
[19:24] <boredandblogging> jcastro: can help as well
[19:24] <czajkowski> jcastro: grand shall poke you afterwards
[19:24] <jcastro> k
[19:24] <jono> ok, what other ideas did we have?
[19:24] <magespawn> personal blogs also?
[19:24] <jono> we should have little buttons for websites
[19:25] <jono> like the dev week buttons :)
[19:25] <czajkowski> they are rather cute
[19:25] <kn100> i can do any graphics work you guys need :)
[19:25] <magespawn> do you want personal blogs too?
[19:25] <andresmujica1> and a Professional Brochure like the dev one, too
[19:25] <popey> o/
[19:25] <GidgetKitchen> FaceBook too dumbed down?
[19:25] <mhall119|work> I'd like a global jam badge for my website too
[19:26] <kn100> popey: what LoCo are you representing if any?
[19:26] <popey> o_O
[19:26] <jono> kn100, you are happy to coordinate the graphics?
[19:26] <popey> kn100: is that a serious question?
[19:26]  * ianto o_O's kn100 too
[19:26] <dholbach> kn100: that'd be sweet - do you think you could mail your ideas to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:26] <andresmujica1> jono:   Sent the news to linux.com, slashdot.org, lwn.net
[19:26] <huats> jono: +1 for the buttons but as I said we need to be able to i18n them
[19:26] <kn100> put it this way, tell me what you need designed and what colours you want and what you want in it and i will do it :)
[19:26] <jcastro> yes let's not forget facebook!
[19:27] <jono> kn100, yeah, talk on loco-contacts to get ideas for that :)
[19:27] <jono> I will post to the Ubuntu Facebook group about the event again
[19:27] <dholbach> we had this http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3265/2550528941_5677fdf41e_o.png the last time
[19:27] <jono> andresmujica1, are you happy coordinate getting content out to those sites?
[19:28] <kn100> so who do i contact?
[19:28] <andresmujica1> jono: sure, np
[19:28] <dholbach> kn100: sorry, it's loco-contacts@
[19:28] <jono> kn100, it is a mailing list
[19:28] <boredandblogging> kn100: throw it up on Spread Ubuntu
[19:28] <dholbach> but that banner was entirely focused on bug jams
[19:28] <jono> dholbach, just take the bugs out of it maybe :)
[19:29] <dholbach> jono: so a striked-through globe? not sure that's going to work ;-)
[19:29] <highvoltage> heh
[19:29] <dholbach> but anyway, let's discuss on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and I'm sure we'll figure something out
[19:29] <rrnwexec> how about the circle of friends with a globe in the middle?
[19:29] <czajkowski> papers and bugs and a globe
[19:29] <jono> dholbach, haha
[19:29] <dholbach> thanks kn100 for helping out
[19:29] <jono> good point
[19:30] <jono> any other ideas?
[19:30] <kn100> stupid question, what the hell is u.c?
[19:30] <kn100> ubuntu.com?
[19:30] <popey> ubuntu.com
[19:30] <jono> kn100, ubuntu.com
[19:30] <jono> :)
[19:30] <ianto> ubuntu,com ;)
[19:30] <kn100> thought so
[19:30]  * jono high-fives kn100 :)
[19:30] <dholbach> ROCK... all questions solved then!
[19:30] <andresmujica1> jono:  Post a note on the front page for each LoCo Team website
[19:30] <GidgetKitchen> peanut-butter sandwich with bugs in the jam? too dumb?
[19:30] <mhall119|work> I like the circle of friends around a globe
[19:30] <jono> andresmujica1, on which page?
[19:30] <mhall119|work> make each person represent one of Bug, Package and Doc
[19:31] <dholbach> mhall119|work: translations!
[19:31] <highvoltage> a tin of jam with an ubuntu logo :) (although americans call it jello I think)
[19:31] <ianto> Translations?
[19:31] <andresmujica1> for example www.ubuntu-co.com  we'll put a note there
[19:31] <mhall119|work> dholbach: all visual
[19:31] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams
[19:31] <mhall119|work> doesn't need text
[19:31] <jono> lets discuss ideas for the button on the website :)
[19:31] <dholbach> mhall119|work: we'll do translations at the jam too!
[19:31] <ianto> Most importantly, will there be a mention on the main ubuntu.com site?
[19:31] <mhall119|work> oh, huh, misunderstood
[19:32] <mhall119|work> dholbach: but there's only 3 people in the circle of friends, someone's gotta lose
[19:32] <jono> so should we maybe throw the second half of this meeting open to a Q+A for those of you wanting to organize jams
[19:32] <highvoltage> heh, look at the second pic on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jam
[19:32] <highvoltage> look familiar kind of?
[19:32] <dholbach> haha
[19:33] <mhall119|work> highvoltage: that's funny
[19:33] <jcastro> haha
[19:33] <kn100> highvoltage: win
[19:33] <highvoltage> :D
[19:34] <itnet7> highvoltage: jelly :-P
[19:34] <mhall119|work> that's not bad actually, close enough to the Canonical/Ubuntu logos, but space enough that translations doesn't have to be left out
[19:34] <dholbach> I noticed that a few folks were new to the concept of Ubuntu Jams and I could imagine there's a bunch who haven't organised every single bit of their Jam yet... does anybody have any question that we can think about together while we're all here?
[19:34] <ianto> To move on to Q+A (assuming that means Questions and Answers?), have any locos got anyy advice out there for getting venues? Our LoCo has found a few but they ar costing £60/day which is erm, _really_ pricy
[19:34] <ianto> dholbach: Just in time, eh?
[19:34] <jono> ianto, did you ask on your list to see if anyone has venues available that are free?
[19:34] <jono> I have found many people have connections to free venues
[19:35] <GidgetKitchen> Coffee shops always need extra people
[19:35] <dholbach> ianto: are there any LUGs in your area, where do they meet? are there libraries, schools or universities around that might help out?
[19:35] <ianto> jono: I've been awaiting a response from jpds in PM to see how the list is progressing, but still no list...
[19:35] <magespawn> if big groups try schools
[19:35] <czajkowski> ianto: I use a college, good internet, and students and lecturers are interested
[19:35] <dholbach> ianto: how many people are you going to expect there?
[19:35] <czajkowski> ianto: we only had about 12 there and we're hoping to do the same again
[19:35] <GidgetKitchen> we have one that let's us use their 47 inch tv as a monitor
[19:35] <ianto> dholbach: First Jam for a small team so not more than 10, from 5 - 10
[19:35] <mhall119|work> ianto: the Florida LoCo has used a public library's meeting rooms for free
[19:35] <mhall119|work> just check if you can bring food and drink
[19:36] <dholbach> at this point I like to share a story about the first berlin release party which I did in my home (that's an option too!) - turned out I had ~40-50 people in my appartment in that night ;-)
[19:36] <Mean-Machine> folks, don't forget to watch dholbach's video ' Running Bug Jams and Packaging Jams'  -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBY7wfX2jpA
[19:36] <dholbach> so if you have well-behaved people who bring cookies and cake one's home can work out well as a last resort :)
[19:37] <mhall119|work> and someone to good lasagna
[19:37] <ianto> I will ask  at some libraries, places I've overlooked but even  the LUGs have to pay for venues around here, I've spoken to organisers for ideas :)
[19:37] <highvoltage> dholbach: what's the smalles you can have a package jam? people in my lug are interested, but the talk time slots for our lug meetings are usually 1-1.5 hours long, which is a bit short for a package jam it seems?
[19:37] <itnet7> ianto: how about local universities?
[19:37] <jono> also see http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/1730589 - I did a video showing how to organize a Global Jam event
[19:38] <GidgetKitchen> Do we just have more coffee places on the west coast - they are really needing business
[19:38] <ianto> itnet7: I will contact a few Unis over the next few days as well.
[19:38] <dholbach> highvoltage: it's good if you can keep it open-ended so people can join in later on, hang out, get lunch, then do some more and go out for dinner/beer afterwards :)
[19:38] <jono> GidgetKitchen, I think we do :)
[19:39] <highvoltage> dholbach: good tip, thanks
[19:39] <mhall119|work> GidgetKitchen: yes
[19:39] <akgraner> what about inviting 2 or 3 Small LoCo teams that are in one area..  I was thinking NC, SC, GA and TN...
[19:39] <natewiebe13> are jam events usually open to the general public?
[19:39] <mhall119|work> akgraner: that's a pretty big area
[19:39] <jcastro> natewiebe13: sure!
[19:39] <dholbach> akgraner: too many acronyms! :)
[19:39] <akgraner> oh sorry
[19:40] <dholbach> don't worry :)
[19:40] <akgraner> North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennesse, and Georgia
[19:40] <natewiebe13> what about having a annual event that is geared to brining in new ubuntu members (have computers set up for people to use, and a computer continually getting ubuntu installed) to sell the idea of ubuntu to the average computer user?
[19:41] <highvoltage> natewiebe13: that sounds like an installfest
[19:41] <dholbach> akgraner: sure, if you can people together like that, that's great
[19:41] <AegisRising> jono, so adverts in local newspapers could be used to attract attention to the event?
[19:41] <natewiebe13> kind of like an open house.. put up posters, advertise, etc..
[19:41] <czajkowski> akgraner: also dont forget wihle it's on for the 3 days, not everyone can make it, dont wory if you cnt do all the days,
[19:42] <dholbach> shall we move on to local publicity? :)
[19:42] <dholbach> what did you guys do for advertising the event?
[19:42] <highvoltage> in our lug we called it a "fiddlefest" for a while becuase the actual installation of ubuntu is so easy, but then there were too many bad jokes so we changed it back to "installfest".
[19:42] <jono> AegisRising, that would be awesome :)
[19:42] <natewiebe13> id be willing to do it if there were others from london, ontario
[19:42] <jono> posters and flyers are really really useful
[19:43] <czajkowski> I think once we get a logo we can create posters and send out to local areas, to invite people
[19:43] <ianto> dholbach: Ashemedly not much in terms of advertisingg other than contacting existing Linux groups in the country
[19:43] <czajkowski> so colleges. business areas which may have an interest
[19:43] <magespawn> local newspapers will usually run small articles for  free
[19:43] <natewiebe13> anyone here from ontario??
[19:44] <GidgetKitchen> What about the pres of the internet Leo, again am i dumbing it down. one mention on TWiT is worth lots of blogs
[19:44] <dholbach> twittering, blogging, mailing mailing lists, posters and flyers are great in bookshops or in the venue where you're planning it
[19:45] <greg-g> hey, I can't really pay attention to the meeting right now, but just let me/us know the specific plans and if there is anywhere I can help out
[19:45] <natewiebe13> nobody from my area :(, if there was.. id definately plan an event
[19:45] <GidgetKitchen> local talk radio can help with FREE mentions
[19:46] <rrnwexec> we'll likely pass out flyers as part of "software Freedom Day" sept 19th
[19:46] <czajkowski> natewiebe13: is there a local LoCo for you?
[19:46] <rrnwexec> (on the busiest street in the city)
[19:46] <hollman> rrnwexec, +1 yeah good idea
[19:46] <natewiebe13> czajkowski: no idea
[19:46] <GidgetKitchen> natewiebe13: there are. u just have to find them ;-)
[19:46] <hollman> on the SFD
[19:47] <natewiebe13> czajkowski: im from london ontario area
[19:47] <czajkowski> natewiebe13: join the #ubuntu-ca and ask in there or see if they are organising anything
[19:47] <GidgetKitchen> lindependence day coordination?
[19:47] <natewiebe13> czajkowski: i actually found out about LoCo teams and jams 1 hour ago :P
[19:48] <boredandblogging> would suggest LoCos send members to nearby LUGs or open source group meetings to plug GJ
[19:48] <czajkowski> natewiebe13: cool, well if you need a hand, just shout, the channel I recommened is the canadaian loco
[19:48] <boredandblogging> its not exactly scalable, but might help
[19:48] <czajkowski> *canadian
[19:49] <natewiebe13> czajkowski: it seems to be dead right now..
[19:49] <dholbach> are there any other completely different questions?
[19:49] <hollman> the Softawre Freedom Day will be Sptember 19, this day we can spread some flyers
[19:49] <hollman> softwarefreedomday.org
[19:49] <ianto> Flyers posters etc, does anyone have any good online resources where they can print and send it to you?
[19:49] <YoBoY> dholbach: some ideas for what to do on a doc jam? ^^"
[19:50] <rrnwexec> system76 used to send out free posters
[19:50] <dholbach> YoBoY: I would have loved to have mdke here - I'll have a chat with him and we'll extend the wiki.u.c/Jams page
[19:50] <ianto> For American teams?
[19:51] <dholbach> YoBoY: if you PM me your email address, I can CC you in that mail if you're interested
[19:52] <dholbach> Does everybody feel comfortable now getting the rest of their Jam organised? :-)
[19:52] <dholbach> or did we miss something?
[19:52] <andresmujica1> what about using ustream.tv or mogulus to send a live feed during the event, we can create a general group with different channels for each LoCO team, a webcam should be enough...
[19:52] <czajkowski> andresmujica1: oh that cold be lotta fun!
[19:52] <czajkowski> I know last year we were sending picutures and tagging them and flks could follow them
[19:52] <dholbach> andresmujica1: would you be happy to add that to the Jams documentation somewhere so people know how to do that?
[19:53] <andresmujica1> ok. added to my TODO list :)
[19:53] <dholbach> ROCK
[19:53] <czajkowski> dholbach: I think translations may be the hardest so that would be great!
[19:53] <czajkowski> andresmujica1: ^^
[19:53] <hollman> andresmujica1, +1 :P
[19:54] <dholbach> ok... let's wrap up the meeting now... we have another Q&A session coming up on the 18th September if I'm not mistaken - we can of course keep the discussion going on in #ubuntu-locoteams - I have just one more question:
[19:55] <dholbach> can everybody quickly sum up what they have on their TODO list now for the Ubuntu Global Jam, so we might help each other out or get ideas from somebody else :-)
[19:55] <jcastro> I am blogging on monday, and a How to Run a Jam session on 18 Sept
[19:56] <dholbach>  - mail a few more teams, spread the word on a few German / Austrian / Swiss sites, get in touch with Berlin team, talk to Docs team about Doc Jams, mail more LoCo teams to participate! :-)
[19:56] <czajkowski> blogging about Ubuntu global jam on the 27th, poke jcastro re Q&A session in #ubuntu-locoteams
[19:56]  * Delano waves to jono
[19:56] <Delano> Mr. Bacon, I presume.
[19:56] <jono> I am going to write some messages on the Facebook group for Ubuntu
[19:56] <jono> and I will also send actions from this meeting to loco-contacts
[19:56] <jono> Delano, hey, yep
[19:56] <kn100> theres a ubuntu facebook group?
[19:56]  * Delano tips his hat to jono
[19:57] <Delano> kn100: several
[19:57]  * andresmujica1 TODO: Contact lwn.net, slashdot.org and lwn.net looking for get some coverage, Add documentation about how to create a live stream with mogulus/ustream during the event
[19:57] <jcastro> kn100: yes, with over 100k+ people!
[19:57] <GidgetKitchen> I am blogging this weekend, talking to lugs, setting up a lindependence day with Larry & calling The tech Guy - Leo
[19:57] <Delano> kn100: and fan pages
[19:57] <dholbach> kn100: https://facebook.com/ubuntulinux is probably the biggest one
[19:57] <jono> Delano, :)
[19:57] <dantalizing> ping lug lists, ping loco team to organize jams in differnt cities, firm up existing jam details
[19:57]  * kn100 is gonna join
[19:57]  * Delano plays Wasted Years and dedicates it to jono
[19:58] <itnet7> ^^ what dantalizing said, and Blogging on the 29th
[19:58] <akgraner> blogging on the 26th and getting some more stuff in the works...
[19:58] <rafael_carreras> blogging UBJ on 25th, get a place and spread
[19:58] <YoBoY> todo:- find ideas for the doc jam and coordinate all the doc jams in french, waiting didrocks bak from hollidays and ask to blog the event :p, make an article for the different french sites, prepare the meeting in paris
[19:58] <jcastro> how many people you think will show up in paris?
[19:59] <GidgetKitchen> Oh hot-damn; this is how we jam. Sorry - couldn't resist
[19:59] <jcastro> Probably more than the facebook group. :p
[19:59] <YoBoY> lot of :p
[19:59] <huats> jcastro: we also will have at least an other jam in Toulouse (my place)
[19:59] <huats> :)
[19:59] <YoBoY> more than the last bug jam i think
[19:59] <jono> thanks folks
[19:59] <jcastro> ah one thing we should mention to all the locos as we spread the word, we want lots of pictures!
[19:59] <jpds> ianto: I have nothing to do with list creation.
[19:59] <jono> ok, I will send notes of the actions to the loco-contacts mailing list in a few minutes!
[19:59] <dholbach> rock and roll everybody!
[19:59] <dholbach> I'm so looking forward to Ubuntu Global Jam - it's going to be fantastic! :-)
[19:59] <jono> please follow up with progress on that thread :)
[19:59] <dholbach> and maybe everybody should pick a different LoCo and persuade them to participate :)
[20:00] <rrnwexec> http://flickr.com/ubuntuvancouver >> see us there :)
[20:00] <GidgetKitchen> any so-cal LoCo people here
[20:00] <dholbach> thanks a lot everybody!
[20:00] <jono> ok sent
[20:00] <jono> bye all!
[20:00] <hollman> bye
[20:00] <huats> thanks dholbach, jono and jcastro !
[20:00] <jono> :)
[20:00]  * andresmujica1 o/
[20:01]  * dholbach hugs y'all
[20:01] <rafael_carreras> bye all
[20:04] <GidgetKitchen> Later. onto #ubuntu-california
[20:07] <kn100> so what do i need to do jono
[20:07] <kn100> i can do the blog
[20:07] <kn100> but the website buttons
[20:07] <kn100> what do you want
[20:08] <jono> kn100, as I said, have a conversation on the loco-contacts mailing list - people can help there
[20:08] <jono> are you on that ist?
[20:08] <kn100> i subscribed
[20:08] <kn100> got the mail from you
[20:09] <Delano> jono: how do I get on that list?
[20:10] <boredandblogging> Delano: sign up https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
[20:11] <jono> :)
[20:11] <mhall119|work> thanks boredandblogging
[20:15] <komputes> is the Global Jam meeting still happening?
[20:15] <kn100> no
[20:15] <komputes> :(
[20:16] <blueyonder> Think it started about an hour ago - I woke up too late...
[20:17] <komputes> yeah, it slipped my mind...
[20:18] <YoBoY> bye here :)
[20:21] <Xpistos|work> That was my first Global Jam meeting
[20:22] <mhall119|work> it was kind of fast and furious in there
[20:22] <akgraner> mine too..;-)
[20:22] <akgraner> Moved at the speed of light.. wow!
[20:22] <mhall119|work> Xpistos|work: is the TN team doing anything?
[20:23] <Xpistos|work> mhall119|work: I didn't know what a Global Jam was until about 2 hours ago, so I am not sure