[07:09] <dholbach> good morning
[07:27] <iulian> Morning dholbach.
[07:28] <dholbach> hi iulian
[07:28] <ajmitch> hi dholbach, iulian, *
[07:28] <iulian> Hi there ajmitch.
[07:28] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[07:44] <geser> good morning
[15:48] <TheLordOfTime> any MOTU around?
[15:48] <TheLordOfTime> erm, nevermind i have to talk to dev because main :/
[15:48] <TheLordOfTime> ... wait... stupid LP it's showing different data.  yeah I do need to talk to a MOTU.
[15:49] <smartboyhw> !ask | TheLordOfTime
[15:50] <TheLordOfTime> fine you always love calling that.
[15:50] <TheLordOfTime> i'll just say "there's a reason i don't want to discuss this in a public channel at the moment"
[15:52] <TheLordOfTime> but anyways, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bitcoin is out of date in prior releases to Raring and it being updated is horribly broken.  prior to Raring, in Quantal and earlier, the program can not keep up with later versions of the software, such that Precise will not work with the corresponding "bitcoin blockchaion" ever due to tons of changes implemented in Raring and Saucy
[15:52] <TheLordOfTime> having said this, the package tends to miss security updates as core changes which would require version bumps aren't being applied
[15:52] <TheLordOfTime> i'm curious how that is still in Ubuntu, and whether anyone could potentially put that in the list of packages which might need to be excluded in ubuntu later, unless we can version bump everything prior
[15:53] <ScottK> TheLordOfTime: If it's security updates, discuss it in #u-hardened.
[15:53] <TheLordOfTime> ScottK:  excluding security updates
[15:53] <TheLordOfTime> the software is still broken earlier
[15:53] <TheLordOfTime> because of upstream-introduced core changes that are included in Raring and Saucy
[15:54] <TheLordOfTime> i mean, a backport *could* possibly be done and i know what's in saucy give or take a few changes does build for Ubuntu
[15:54] <TheLordOfTime> (case in point a corresponding PPA)
[15:54] <TheLordOfTime> however, in Precise, i guarantee that version *will not work*
[15:54] <TheLordOfTime> same with QUantal
[15:55] <TheLordOfTime> this bug specifically
[15:55] <TheLordOfTime> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bitcoin/+bug/1159832
[15:55] <ScottK> We'd need someone who was going to consistently pay attention to the package.
[15:55] <TheLordOfTime> and apparently i see a fix in -proposed for quantal and precise
[15:56] <TheLordOfTime> ScottK:  true, and i don't know who, but now that I look at -proposed for precise and quantal there looks to be code changes that address the "will not work" thing
[15:57] <ScottK> Then it needs someone to verify.
[15:57]  * TheLordOfTime sighs
[15:57] <TheLordOfTime> i'll need to dig up a quantal vm then
[15:57] <TheLordOfTime> and a precise one
[18:48] <obounaim> Hi everybody,
[19:25] <obounaim> Where can I find a complete list of packages that need a merge from Debian?
[19:26] <paultag> obounaim: it's been a long damn time since I've done any Ubuntu anything, but https://merges.ubuntu.com/ might be helpful
[19:26] <paultag> so that might be just entirely out of date (likely is)
[20:00] <obounaim> is harvest a better alternative to https://merges.ubuntu.com/?
[20:57] <ScottK> No.
[20:57] <ScottK> Merges.ubuntu.com should be up to date.
[20:57] <ScottK> If it isn't, it should be fixed.
[21:00] <paultag> Ah, ok. Thanks ScottK.
[21:01] <paultag> I was just here for some silly reason (I think dput-ng) and saw the question.
[21:01] <ScottK> No problem.
[21:02] <Unit193> Said at the bottom, "Generated at 2013-07-08 20:41:52 UTC", so hopefully that'd be one indicator.
[21:10] <paultag> I didn't know if launchpad grew MoM features
[21:10] <paultag> and if someone forgot to turn the lights off, I could have been duped :)
[21:10]  * paultag looks at revu to see if there's a notice there yet
[21:11] <paultag> whoh, awesome, it's finally off.
[21:11] <ScottK> Yeah.
[21:12] <ScottK> The fact that it lived on a Hardy sparc box meant it was going to expire eventually.
[21:12] <paultag> bwahaha


[00:36] <lilstevie> Quintasan: what time is it there?
[00:36] <lilstevie> Quintasan: FWIW 2 scripts left to complete, flash configs which are quick to generate, and then the image :p
[02:00] <Quintasan> lilstevie: it's 22:00
[02:00] <Quintasan> SO, tomorrow's the day? \o/
[02:02] <lilstevie> Quintasan: tomorrow is the day :)
[02:02] <lilstevie> Quintasan: it should be all up within 12hours
[02:03] <lilstevie> new flashkit will be first
[02:03] <Quintasan> all sorts of awesome
[02:03] <Quintasan> I'm dying to use vim :O
[02:03] <lilstevie> followed by the new rootfs, the rootfs takes a bit longer because unless I can manage to get my VPS to cooperate I can't patch the image on it, and will have to spend hours uploading the image
[02:03] <lilstevie> haha
[02:03] <lilstevie> :p
[02:04] <lilstevie> I'm dying to let the people at UDS drool :p
[02:06] <lilstevie> this release is upgrading the tag as well :p
[02:06] <Quintasan> ChickenCutlass is not going to be surprised :o
[02:06] <lilstevie> haha I know he wont :p
[02:07] <lilstevie> what ever happened to him though I must ask, kinda lost touch with him
[02:07] <Quintasan> "I know that guy whose nick is ChickenCutlass knows something about hw accel on Transformer"
[02:07] <Quintasan> How the hell I am supposed to find him here
[02:08] <lilstevie> heh
[02:08] <Quintasan> And 5 minutes later I was talking to him and did not even notice
[02:08] <Quintasan> @_@
[02:08] <lilstevie> lol
[02:08] <Quintasan> lilstevie: He is here at UDS
[02:08] <Quintasan> :P
[02:08] <lilstevie> lI was initially working with him, but I stopped catching him
[02:08] <lilstevie> he kinda dropped away from the chan
[02:09] <Quintasan> He told me about the toshiba ac100 drivers
[02:09] <lilstevie> yeah, and the kernel tweaking needed :p
[02:09] <lilstevie> I still don't know what approach he used
[02:09] <Quintasan> Turns out that we both had the same source of information :O
[02:09] <Quintasan> Want me to ask him
[02:09] <Quintasan> ?
[02:09] <lilstevie> yeah, actually that would be good
[02:10] <Quintasan> I might as well as grab him tomorrow and make him join chan
[02:10] <lilstevie> heh, well he was in another chan for a while
[02:10] <Quintasan> What time is it that where you are?
[02:10] <lilstevie> but tz's are a pain and we kept missing eachother
[02:10] <lilstevie> it is 13:10
[02:11] <Quintasan> friday?
[02:11] <lilstevie> yeah
[02:12] <Quintasan> oh fuck
[02:12] <Quintasan> its like 15 hours of differnce
[02:12] <lilstevie> yeah
[02:12] <lilstevie> brb, getting luncgh
[02:13] <Quintasan> lilstevie: make me a me list of what you want me to ask him and we will somehow get it done
[02:13] <lilstevie> lunch even
[02:13] <Quintasan> too much "me" there lol
[02:13] <lilstevie> I just want to know the approach he used to get the accel drivers working, our route was porting 2.6.38
[02:14] <lilstevie> wondering if we have just massively duped work
[02:14] <Quintasan> I see, I'll look around if he is still up
[02:38] <Quintasan> lilstevie: Hah, not able to find him. Maybe he went to sleep. I'll look for him tomorrow
[02:39] <lilstevie> heh kk
[02:39]  * Quintasan is too sleepy
[02:40] <lilstevie> well its ok, get some sleep, you might awake to a nice gift :p
[02:40] <Quintasan> :D
[04:26] <grahams> Hi, great to see this channel.
[04:27] <grahams> I have a arm based dreamplug and I'd be interested in installing and testing the 11.10 ubuntu server. Is there a guide on how I could start on this journey?
[05:15] <ojn> grahams, current ubuntu releases require a v7-compliant processor, and the marvell kirkwood is only implementing ARMv5.
[05:23] <grahams> Thanks Ojn, do you know if v5 devices will be supported in the future? Most of the plugs (Sheeva etc.) are v5
[05:25] <ojn> grahams, I don't think so. jaunty and karmic was supported on v5, but I think the plan is to only support v7+ on future releases. I don't follow ubuntu's plans all that closely though.
[05:26] <twb> It's the ARM equivalent of not supporting 286s anymore
[05:26] <twb> It allows the resulting code to be faster on the newer generation hardware
[05:28] <ojn> faster and smaller, since thumb2 is available.
[05:30] <grahams> I don't believe v5 = 286, there are lots of new devices using v5. There are also Debian Wheezy images out there with 3.0.4 kernels. I find it odd that Ubuntu is ignoring the 1000's of Plugs that are still shipping. I'll stick with debian for now. Thanks for the answers.
[05:31] <twb> grahams: Debian has two ARM flavours -- armel and armhf.  Basically Ubuntu only has the latter because (presumably) they can't be bothered supporting older designs -- even if those older designs are appearing in new devices.
[05:31] <twb> (And the reason Debian is more armel than armhf is because it moves slowly ;-)
[05:32] <lilstevie> twb: actually ubuntu is armel :p well armv7el
[05:32] <twb> Yes yes
[05:32] <lilstevie> hf is something entirely different :p
[05:33] <twb> So then let us say debian has "boring" and "fancy pants" flavours, and Ubuntu has a common one somewhere in between
[05:35] <grahams> Makes sense for Ubuntu to focus a new project on the newer CPU designs.
[05:36] <grahams> Good luck with the project, alas I do not have a v7 device
[05:38] <lilstevie> most newer devices are v7 anyway
[05:44] <twb> mm
[05:44] <twb> I was surprised his wasn't, tbh
[05:45] <lilstevie> heh, I wasn't
[05:45] <lilstevie> those plug devices are all the same CPU
[05:45] <twb> They blow
[05:46] <twb> At least the sheeva does (I have one); and I heard the newer ones overheat if you run both ethernet interfaces are full speed
[05:46] <lilstevie> lol
[05:46] <twb> the sheeva gets quite hot when it's just sitting there
[05:47] <lilstevie> so does the trimplice tbh
[05:47] <lilstevie> trimslice*
[06:01] <gildean> ojn: there is also a maverick version for arm v5 iirc
[06:03] <gildean> speaking about trimslice, i started making this page for future projects: http://julkinen.salaliitto.com/trimslice/
[06:03] <gildean> all the buttons should now function, except the search-bar
[06:04] <gildean> even the terminal actually does things
[06:04] <gildean> i stole it from omg!ubuntu
[06:10] <lilstevie> heh
[09:12] <sveinse> I see from the rootstock script that the group 'fuse' is added, but without any comments. How come it's added explicitly in the installer?
[09:14] <sveinse> ^^ rsalveti or ogra_  perhaps
[12:00] <twb> lilstevie: looking at build_kernel.sh, I see -j$(grep processor /proc/cpuinfo | wc -l) -- suggest instad -j$(getconf _NPROCESSORS_ONLN || echo 1).
[12:02] <lilstevie> not my script :p
[12:03] <twb> k
[12:04] <twb> most of it seems to be files new nvidia/google-copyright files -- are these snarfed from the asus kernel tarball?
[12:05] <lilstevie> ?
[12:07] <twb> 828153e1ca207b83da2fed628271965d933fd1a9 -- Split the tf101 device from picasso to make it easier to work with.
[12:07] <lilstevie> no
[12:07] <twb> So I guess they're copied from other files in the same git repo
[12:07] <lilstevie> all I did was grab board-picasso*
[12:08] <lilstevie> and split them off
[12:08] <twb> Righto
[12:12] <twb> Ugh, just powered the tf101 up again since a couple weeks ago, and it's go no juice again
[12:13] <twb> Either the damn thing uses non-trivial amounts of battery when halted (as in "shutdown -h now") or it turns itself on all the time when I'm not watching
[21:14] <Quintasan|TF> ogra_: haha, no luck, I installed the driver and rebooted and no X
[21:14] <Quintasan|TF> :)
[21:26] <Quintasan|TF> brr
[21:26]  * Quintasan|TF has a streak of bad luck
[22:03] <sveinse> Any one here known with qemu core dumping when running 'apt-get install openssh-server' in an armel chroot (using binfmt emulation)? It happens on i386 natty, but not on amd64 natty. I am currently testing for oneiric.


[12:40] <kiru> ?
[12:47] <mitya57> !ask | kiru
[12:47] <ubot2> kiru: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[17:31] <mdeslaur> grrr...does anyone know who dino99 (~9d9) is who is mass closing bugs?
[19:04] <hggdh> mdeslaur: nope... I had just seen it
[19:11] <hggdh> sent him (or her) an email about it.
[19:16] <mdeslaur> hggdh: me too, hopefully he'll stop and ask why
[19:16] <mdeslaur> hggdh: thanks
[19:37] <hggdh> yw
[20:47] <psusi> does xubuntu use something other than udisks for auto mounting?


[00:00] <RawPeacock> sarnold, blah I wish I knew thank you for giving me things to investigate tomorrow
[00:04] <RawPeacock> In case you're feeling curious http://paste.ubuntu.com/15411603/
[00:05] <RawPeacock> thanks again for answering sarnold
[00:14] <Gaming4JC> So is it even worth using RAID1 on two drives these days?
[00:15] <Gaming4JC> My idea was: Two drives, two different vendors (mirrored), then two other drives (maybe RAID1 again?) for offline backups
[00:15] <Gaming4JC> it's got to be better than what I have now which is nothing
[00:15] <Gaming4JC> :D
[00:18] <sarnold> RawPeacock: yeah, it looks like there's no pam modules to do the AD authentication steps...
[00:18] <sarnold> Gaming4JC: I think it is; while it's not going to prevent data loss in the case of two drives dying, at least it'll handle one drive death alright
[00:19] <Gaming4JC> sarnold, ok, thanks :)
[00:19] <sarnold> Gaming4JC: and you said this was for backups ayway, so even e.g. raidz1 / raid5 may make sense, it's not like it'll cause immediate downtime
[00:19] <sarnold> it will mean running without backups for a bit, not great, but still :)
[05:09] <jak2000> i want every 8 minutes execute a script, from 20pm to 8am in the crontab: 0,8,16,24,32,40,48,56 20-8 * * 1-7 /usr/scripts/respsql2.sh   <---- not work, why?
[05:09] <jak2000> j ubuntu
[05:18] <showaz> ubuntu-server 16.04 (motd freezed)
[05:19] <showaz> 27 packages can be updated. 0 updates are security updates.
[05:19] <showaz> sudo apt dist-upgrade ( 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. )
[07:45] <OlofL> apt-get install ruby gave me ruby 1.9. how do I get to install ruby 2.0+?
[07:47] <OlofL>  uname -a Linux 80003v-app001 3.16.0-37-generic #51~14.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Wed May 6 15:23:14 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[08:17] <cpaelzer> OlofL: 1.9 was the base in trusty, so that is what you've got when just installing "ruby"
[08:17] <cpaelzer> OlofL: but there is a ruby2.0 package for you that will give you <IP_ADDRESS>4-1ubuntu2.2
[08:17] <cpaelzer> http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/ruby2.0
[09:00] <selinuxium> hi all
[10:03] <devster31> what package do I need to remove files from an ntfs hard drive?
[10:03] <devster31> mounting with ntfs isn't enough
[10:04] <lordievader> devster31: It should be. If the ntfs drive is mounted rw you can remove files from it.
[10:08] <devster31> https://bpaste.net/show/f3ac712dd67a these are from mtab and fstab respectively and I can't even create a directory
[10:13] <lordievader> As what user?
[10:13] <devster31> pi user, as the gid uid
[10:13] <lordievader> Also, check dmesg. It might still be mounted ro because it was uncleanly unmounted or something.
[10:14] <jamespage> frickler, hey - sorry for lag - been away
[10:15] <jamespage> frickler, I have a 10.0.3 prepared in ppa:openstack-ubuntu-testing/ceph-sru if you want to try it
[10:15] <devster31> this is the last dmseg https://bpaste.net/show/862eabad96ac are you sure it isn't related to ntfs vs ntfs-3g driver?
[10:15] <jamespage> frickler, I try get that uploaded today (on my backlog)
[10:15] <jamespage> frickler, and we will ship with Ceph Jewel - last time I checked in with sage that was still good timescale wise
[10:16] <lordievader> devster31: Ntfs != ntfs-3g?
[10:47] <devster31> lordievader: doesn't seem so, ntfs is the linux kernel driver read-only, ntfs-3g is read-write
[11:04] <lordievader> Ah, the use the ntfs-3g ;)
[11:19] <k4v_>  hi i have a problem with a ubuntu server: i got lots of kernel warnings in dmesg, and now my root filesystem is full. i already deleted everything i could find but now two days later its full again
[11:19] <lordievader> k4v_: What is taking up the space?
[11:19] <lordievader> Or better, what is generating it ;)
[11:19] <k4v_> I wish I knew
[11:19] <k4v_> i cannot find any more files to delete
[11:20] <k4v_> dmesg still shows new warnings every few seconds
[11:20] <k4v_> i used du --max-depth=1 to find stuff to delete, but now I don't see anything more
[11:23] <lordievader> Precisely, start with which folders take up the most space on the root of the filesystem,.
[11:25] <k4v_> lordievader: i did this, the space is gone but there are no more logfiles to delete
[11:27] <lordievader> k4v_: What is the output of 'du -hs /*'?
[11:29] <frickler> jamespage: thanks for the update, I'll be away next week, will recheck after that
[12:17] <k4v_> lordievader: i found the problem: I deleted the logfiles without stopping rsyslog, the process still held open handles to the files.
[12:17] <k4v_> after "service rsyslog restart" i have my space back.
[12:18] <lordievader> Still, log files shouldn't grow that large, that fast.
[12:18] <lordievader> You should investigate which log is spamming your rootfs full.
[12:18] <k4v_> there are lots of kernel warnings... thats the problem.
[12:19] <k4v_> it seems to have something to do with a network device....
[12:25] <lordievader> Could you pastebin those?
[12:50] <coreycb> ddellav, I pushed the barbican-api changes.  it drops uwsgi and runs the api behind apache/mod-wsgi now.  I need to figure out how to do the init scripts for that so those aren't there yet.
[12:51] <ddellav> coreycb ack
[14:58] <halvors> Why is lxcbr0 present by default in ubuntu 16.04...
[14:58] <halvors> ?
[15:02] <ogra_> because lxc is preinstalled in the server task by default in 16.04
[15:34] <sdeziel> halvors: for now, you can set USE_LXC_BRIDGE=false in /etc/default/lxc-net
[17:14] <coreycb> beisner, can you please promote neutron 1:2014.1.5-0ubuntu4~cloud0  from precise-icehouse-staging to precise-icehouse-proposed? regression testing is complete.
[17:14] <beisner> coreycb, yep on it
[17:43] <patdk-wk> heh, well this is a lot of fun
[17:46] <patdk-wk> sarnold this is even more silly :)
[17:46] <patdk-wk> so that closed-source program, that wouldn't run on precise with a newer kernel
[17:47] <patdk-wk> will run on precise with a xenial kernel
[18:19] <beisner> coreycb, oh hey, pushed neutron 1:2014.1.5-0ubuntu4~cloud0 to icehouse-proposed
[18:19] <coreycb> beisner, thank you
[18:20] <beisner> coreycb, yw
[18:55] <karstensrage> anyone know why libpam0g et. al. was recently updated?
[18:56] <tarpman> karstensrage: presumably /usr/share/doc/libpam0g/changelog.Debian.gz would say why
[18:57] <Pici> karstensrage: also see the last few entries here: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/
[18:59] <karstensrage> wow thats freaking awesome
[18:59] <karstensrage> thanks tarpman
[18:59] <karstensrage> nice
[18:59] <karstensrage> thanks Pici
[19:59] <Slashman> hello, I'm trying to activate hugepages on ubuntu server 15.10, I use "vm.nr_hugepages = 17000" in sysctl.conf and even after reboot and sysctl -p, "cat /proc/meminfo | grep Huge" give me 0 hugepages, the process works on debian and centos, what am I missing ?
[20:02] <sdeziel> Slashman: do you have ~34GB of RAM or more?
[20:02] <Slashman> 256GB ram
[20:02] <sdeziel> lucky guy ;)
[20:03] <sdeziel> can you show the output of that grep?
[20:04] <Slashman> sdeziel: http://apaste.info/02P
[20:08] <sdeziel> Slashman: I'm not that familiar with those sysctl knobs but here I have both vm.nr_hugepages and vm.nr_hugepages_mempolicy set to the number of hugepages I want
[20:08] <sdeziel> Slashman: in fact, I'm only setting vm.nr_hugepages and it seems that the _mempolicy follows
[20:09] <Slashman> sdeziel: thanks! it works without the "vm.nr_hugepages_mempolicy = 0"
[20:10] <Slashman> I suppose that's a difference between the kernel of ubuntu and debian/centos, since those last are older
[20:32] <tmartins> I have enabled hugepages on my Ubuntu box
[20:32] <tmartins> For DPDK
[20:33] <tmartins> something like: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash default_hugepagesz=1GB hugepagesz=1G hugepages=4"
[20:33] <tmartins> in my /etc/default/grub
[20:33] <tmartins> then: update-grub
[20:40] <DammitJim> do you guys have a suggestion on running a monitor like inotifywait ?
[20:40] <DammitJim> but how do I ensure that it's running all the time?
[22:41] <mojtaba> Hi, I know that I can use -D option in ssh and using foxyproxy tunnel my connection through the server. Is there any way to do the same thing, but via command line? (I mean instead of foxyproxy in the web browser, direct my traffic using terminal through the server)
[22:42] <tarpman> mojtaba: it kind of depends by program. some programs respect an http_proxy environment variable, others look for HTTP_PROXY, others have something different (or nothing at all)
[22:43] <mojtaba> tarpman: I want to update my system, but I can not do that with my current Ip address.
[22:45] <mojtaba> tarpman: basically I want to run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade using ssh tunnelling on my system.
[22:45] <tarpman> mojtaba: you're wondering how to set the proxy for apt-get? set Acquire::http::Proxy in /etc/apt/apt.conf -> man 5 apt.conf
[22:45] <RoyK> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=szdbKz5CyhA <-- if anyone wondered about email
[22:50] <mojtaba> tarpman: thanks
[23:09] <mojtaba> tarpman: Can I use ssh -D option in that apt.conf file?
[23:10] <tarpman> mojtaba: you can point apt at localhost and the port your ssh is bound to
[23:10] <tarpman> mojtaba: ... if I understood your question correctly
[23:10] <mojtaba> tarpman: thank you very much
[23:17] <mojtaba> tarpman: I get something like this: W: Failed to fetch http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-backports/universe/binary-i386/Packages  Cannot initiate the connection to 8080:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>). - connect (22: Invalid argument)
[23:18] <mojtaba> tarpman: And when I am trying to use port 80, it says Privileged ports can only be forwarded by root.
[23:18] <tarpman> mojtaba: correct, you have to be root to use ports lower than 1024. 8080 is fine
[23:19] <tarpman> mojtaba: with ssh -D bound to port 8080, what did you put in /etc/apt/apt.conf ?
[23:19] <mojtaba> tarpman:
[23:19] <mojtaba> Acquire::http::Proxy "<IP_ADDRESS>:8080";
[23:19] <mojtaba> Acquire::https::Proxy "<IP_ADDRESS>:8080";
[23:20] <tarpman> mojtaba: hmm, try "http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/" ?  I'm not sure whether what it's expected to do without http://
[23:22] <mojtaba> tarpman: I get bunch of 404 and 405 erorrs: W: Failed to fetch https://deb.nodesource.com/node_0.12/dists/trusty/main/source/Sources  Received HTTP code 405 from proxy after CONNECT
[23:24] <tarpman> mojtaba: ah, darn... I forgot ssh is just a SOCKS proxy and not a full HTTP proxy. you probably have to go in a different direction, e.g. http://askubuntu.com/questions/35223/syntax-for-socks-proxy-in-apt-conf
[23:24] <tarpman> mojtaba: sorry about that
[23:26] <tarpman> mojtaba: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/78335/apt-get-via-ssh-tunnel-if-only-port-22-is-allowed suggests an alternate apt.conf setting, but I have not tried this myself...
[23:26] <mojtaba> tarpman: thanks for your info.
[23:38] <mojtaba> tarpman: I tried this: Acquire::socks::proxy "socks://localhost:3128/"; and then ssh -CND localhost:3128<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:38] <mojtaba> But I get this as a result: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15419708/
[23:40] <tarpman> mojtaba: Acquire::socks::proxy "socks://localhost:8080"; and ssh -D 8080 user@host works for me -- you may have some other problem
[23:42] <mojtaba> tarpman: Does it matter which port I am using?
[23:42] <tarpman> mojtaba: the google talkplugin archive in particular might have some maintenance underway right at the moment -- if your other repositories are working, you could comment that out and try it again later
[23:42] <tarpman> mojtaba: as long as it's above 1024, any port should work
[23:46] <mojtaba1> tarpman: This the output of the update result: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15419708/, I am not sure if other repositories are working or not.
[23:46] <mojtaba1> tarpman: Do you know what could be the problem?
[23:47] <tarpman> mojtaba1: hm actually. is the output with acquire::socks::proxy any different from the output with no proxy at all?
[23:48] <mojtaba1> tarpman: yes
[23:49] <tarpman> mojtaba1: in that case, I wonder if the machine you're sshing to is behind a proxy that is misbehaving. for example http://askubuntu.com/questions/474549/got-nodata-issue-nodata-does-the-network-require-authentication
[23:50] <mojtaba1> tarpman: I rename the apt.conf file, it seems the output is the same.
[23:51] <tarpman> ah...
[23:53] <genii> Is this on 16.04?
[23:53] <mojtaba1> tarpman: sorry. Do you know what is wrong then? (Why it is not working as expected?)
[23:53] <mojtaba1> genii: no 14.04 LTS
[23:54] <genii> User in #ubuntu+1 is experiencing same issue, so I was wondering
[23:55] <mojtaba1> genii: Is that 14.04?
[23:55] <tarpman> mojtaba1: seems like acquire::socks::proxy doesn't do what I hoped it would do. you may have to look at tsocks or such, as in one of the URLs I pasted earlier
[23:56] <mojtaba1> tarpman: thanks. I will check that too
[23:56] <tarpman> mojtaba1: sorry for misleading you
[23:57] <mojtaba1> tarpman: I appreciate your time and effort.
[23:57] <genii> mojtaba1: No, they are on 16.04 and not 14.04 ...but I didn't know which distribution you were using until I checked your pastebin. The askbuntu URL is what caught my eye
[23:58] <genii> mojtaba1: The #ubuntu+1 channel is for the version of Ubuntu which is currently in development


 Either you're in the States or you got a serious problem with your watch:)
[15:39] <superfly> bushtech: I'm in the US, I moved here at the end of last year.
[15:39] <bushtech> Ah! Good move
[15:40] <superfly> It has been incredibly good.
[15:40] <superfly> (for the most part... certainly been hardships along the way, but all-in-all good)
[15:40] <bushtech> I'm afraid our economy is slowing down
[15:41] <bushtech> whereabouts in the US are you?
[15:41] <superfly> Arizona, west side, next to California, above Mexico
[15:42] <bushtech> heh just a little jump to silicon valley
[15:43] <superfly> Don't care for Silicon Valley. Expensive place to live, lots of companies that want you to live for them.
[15:44] <bushtech> true that
[15:45] <superfly> With Red Hat I get to work from home, I get to live where I want, and if I want to go and work at head office, I get to move to North Carolina which is a beautiful state
[15:47] <bushtech> yeah, great working from home. I just found that I had to work very late some nights because of some crisis at home
[16:36] <inetpro> wb Kilos and CraigZim
[16:36] <Kilos> ty inetpro
[16:37] <Kilos> the joys of za mobile providers
[16:38] <inetpro> Kilos: but you left like four hours ago already
[16:38] <Kilos> yes and had a tough 4 hours, still recovering
[16:38] <Kilos> sorry man
[16:38] <Kilos> the stupid pump decided to have issues
[16:39] <inetpro> now don't go blaming the poor za providers :-)
[16:39] <Kilos> hahaha man i lost connection before and got so upset my pump reacted
[16:40] <inetpro> they try very hard to keep everything as is
[16:40] <Kilos> whaaaaat
[16:40] <Kilos> what are you smoking
[16:40] <Kilos> oh
[16:40] <Kilos> as is ja
[16:40] <Kilos> not improve
[16:41] <inetpro> Kilos: it's called sarcasm
[16:41] <Kilos> yip im slow
[16:43] <inetpro> what's for dinner oom?
[16:45] <Kilos> 2 min noodles
[16:45] <Kilos> no energy to cook
[16:46] <inetpro> ai!
[16:46] <Kilos> np man more is als reg weer
[19:27] <captine> evening all
[19:53] <bushtech_> hi captine
[20:59] <Kilos> night guys , sleep warm


[14:03] <Wiz_KeeD> Hey guys, is there a way to do bzr branch lp:x bzr branch lp:y bzr branch lp: z into one command?
[14:06] <jelmer> Wiz_KeeD: "bz rbranch lp:x & bzr branch lp:y & bzr branch lp:z" ? :-)
[14:07] <Wiz_KeeD> yeah I thought of that


[13:44] <mhall119> jose: do you want to demo your irc puzzles app during the lightning talks showcase at 1800 UTC?
[17:37] <jose> mhall119: I'm installing humpoleg on my nexus atm
[17:37] <jose> humpolec*
[17:41] <mhall119> hump-o-leg sounds like an app for dogs
[17:43] <dpm_> :)
[17:46] <jose> haha
[17:46] <jose> so, how is it going to be?
[17:51] <jose> mhall119: not sure if the download is going to finish, though
[17:53] <mhall119> jose: you can go last, but there aren't many people demoing
[17:53] <mhall119> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYc-EGspMIVjpG0mhFsKm2QqI8h4yXlljrKRcrrtO3dx03ZUrw?authuser=0&hl=en
[17:59] <mhall119> jose: also, we're in #ubuntu-uds-appdev-1
[18:59] <jose> dpm: hey, I requested access to the devops document, don't have permission to see it


[11:01] <PaulW2U> Planet summaries finished. But still about 12 Canonical and Blogosphere summaries to do.
[17:44] <PaulW2U> Canonical summaries done.


[00:03] <babbageclunk> timClicks: I just saw the missing VMDK issue again. :(
[00:03] <timClicks> !
[00:04] <babbageclunk> it was after I removed some applications from a model (which removed some machines) so I'm going to see if that's the cause.
[03:52] <wallyworld> anastasiamac: sorry about delay, +1 on pr
[03:54] <wallyworld> kelvinli_: there's definitely something amis with the 2.6 ci runs not being triggered
[03:54] <wallyworld> i'll have to kick off another by hand
[03:55] <kelvinli_> wallyworld: ok, i will have a look
[05:21] <timClicks> am in the process of rewriting our project's README.. if you would like to take a look at where I've got to, you're welcome to preview the draft here https://github.com/timClicks/juju/tree/develop-docs--readme-upgrade
[08:22] <stickupkid> manadart, can you come up with a suggestion to the ports one, so i can look at other comments in ineffassign branch - pretty please :D
[08:22] <parlos> Good Morning!
[08:23] <stickupkid> morning parlos
[08:27] <parlos> Is it possible to add an 'endpoint' to an already deployed application? Im testing something, and I've deployed a 'ubuntu', application (juju deploy ubuntu). Now I want to a proxy to forward traffic to port 80 on the device.
[08:30] <manadart> stickupkid: Didn't I put the suggestion there?
[08:30] <stickupkid> manadart, dunno, there are A LOT of comments, just wading through
[08:30] <stickupkid> manadart,  if you did, ta
[10:12] <manadart> stickupkid: Any chance you can QA https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10520 today?
[10:13] <manadart> Got an approval based on code review from hml already.
[10:13] <stickupkid> manadart, any chance england can win today?
[10:13] <stickupkid> manadart, of course, give me a sec
[10:14] <manadart> stickupkid: Hopefully it dries out and goes flat as a road before breaking up on day 4/5 :)
[10:14] <stickupkid> haha
[10:14] <stickupkid> i wish
[11:48] <rick_h> parlos:  you have to add support for that on the charm. You can run it via juju run "open-port 80" and then expose it I think, but it's kind of hacky
[11:48] <rick_h> stickupkid:  hah sorry, I asked in the team meeting for everyone to go through as much as possible
[11:49] <rick_h> stickupkid:  cause I know you love comments so much!
[11:50] <parlos> rick_h thanks for the info, it was just for proof-of-concept. Gave up, and took a different path.
[11:50] <rick_h> parlos:  ok
[11:51] <rick_h> parlos:  so the key to the port opening is going to be the open-port hook tool and then exposing an application. Normally it's baked into the charm's hooks, but you can juju run stuff in a hook context for hacky purposes
[11:55] <parlos> rick_h; so I was using two charms, gitlab and and and ssl proxy. The gitlab deployed version 9.x something. So, I deployed a clean ubuntu, and placed the new 12.1 version on it. Then I wanted to point the proxy to the service/app on the new host, and there was the problem..
[11:56] <rick_h> parlos:  I see, yea that needs to be done more officialy with relations/etc working right
[11:56] <parlos> rick_h; so solution, find another charm of gitlab, and then change the version that it deployed (as that version supported taht)
[11:56] <rick_h> yep, sounds about right :)
[13:22] <parlos> Have a nice day!
[14:34] <magicaltrout> i'm assuming the answer is no but can you not run-action on every unit?
[15:44] <aisrael> Has anyone run into "ERROR: Cannot uninstall 'PyYAML'. It is a distutils installed project and thus we cannot accurately determine which files belong to it which would lead to only a partial uninstall." while deploying a (reactive) charm?
[15:44] <aisrael> in the install hook
[16:05] <stickupkid> anyone want to CR this one https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10508


[00:00] <directhex> arkham asylum/city
[00:00] <ali1234> lol. i thought mst of them were source?
[00:00] <directhex> bioshock
[00:00] <directhex> source is only used in like 3 games other than hl2
[00:00] <directhex> and other valve titles
[00:00] <ali1234> 50 cent: blood on the sand. looking forward to that one :)
[00:00] <directhex> borderlands. gears of war. mass effect.
[00:00] <ali1234> borderlands?
[00:01] <ali1234> ok, yeah, that's pretty important then
[00:01] <ali1234> devil may cry
[00:01] <directhex> i reckon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctum_(2011_video_game) could be a candidate for HIB8 now, if they get icculus to port it
[00:02] <directhex> UE3 is popular for indies, it's very cheap for an AAA engine
[00:03] <directhex> also http://www.unrealengine.com/en/showcase/
[00:03] <ali1234> rise of the triad? i remember that game from DOS
[00:03] <ali1234> ooo the new xcom game too
[00:05] <directhex> http://www.unrealengine.com/udk/licensing/commercial_license_terms/ shows the pricing on the cut down version of UE3
[00:05] <ali1234> hmm so a better question would be what games aren't either source or UE3?
[00:06] <ali1234> battlefield and CoD spring to mind
[00:06] <directhex> battlefield is "frostbyte 2" iirc, which is EA's engine of choice now (ME4 and DA3 will use it, for example)
[00:07] <daftykins> *shakes fist at EA*
[00:07] <directhex> all call of duty games use versions of the "IW Engine"
[00:07] <directhex> well, not call of duty 1
[00:07] <directhex> but 2 onwards
[00:07] <ali1234> cryengine games too i guess
[00:07] <directhex> cryengine is relatively fringe
[00:08] <ali1234> and whatever bethesda uses
[00:08] <directhex> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryengine#CryEngine_3_2
[00:08] <directhex> bethesda uses various versions of gamebryo, although they pretend it's not called that anymore, for their RPGs
[00:08] <directhex> and iD are still making their own engines, although not really licensing them anymore
[00:09] <ali1234> iD have always been good to linux though... well relatively speaking
[00:10] <directhex> ubisoft has its own engine, called anvilnext nowadays
[00:11] <ali1234> what is "dunia engine 2"
[00:11] <directhex> rockstar have an engine called "rage" which is not to be confused with "id tech 5" used in the game "rage"
[00:11] <directhex> dunia is ubisoft's fork of cryengine 1
[00:11] <ali1234> hmm... yeah totally forgot about rockstar
[00:11] <directhex> used in far cry 2 and 3
[00:12] <ali1234> so still plenty of games to be ported
[00:12] <directhex> as opposed to cryengine 2 and 3 used in crysis 1 and 2
[00:13] <ali1234> valve using github for steam bug tracking?
[00:14] <ali1234> it looks like 2013 might actually be the year of the linux desktop this time
[00:14] <directhex> nowadays more games are using their own engines (compared to the early unrealengine and quake engine days), but a lot of them share middleware platforms, e.g. havok physics is in many many games
[00:14] <directhex> year of the steambox. linux desktop comes along for the ride.
[00:14] <popey> \o/ http://steamcommunity.com/games/221410/announcements/detail/1747660173332716773
[00:15] <ali1234> steambox. chromebox. whatever
[00:15] <ali1234> it's all linux
[00:15] <daftykins> are loading times lovely under Steam on Linux?
[00:15] <ali1234> not for TF2 they're not
[00:16] <daftykins> aww
[00:16] <ali1234> i don't have any other games on it
[00:16] <popey> directhex, you had a 5450?
[00:16] <ali1234> also i don't have windows to compare it to
[00:17] <popey> i have a machine with steam on linux and on windows
[00:17] <popey> not really noticed much difference
[00:17] <popey> not looked for it though
[00:17] <popey> oh look, steam client update
[00:18] <daftykins> i just remember the loading time being amazing on a Linux native install of whichever UT it was that did that
[00:18] <daftykins> 2003 maybe
[00:18] <directhex> http://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/15502w/the_big_updated_list_of_which_steam_for_linux/
[00:18] <directhex> upvotes plz!
[00:19] <popey> oh dear, the linux section is broken for me
[00:19] <popey> "Uninitialized" everywhere
[00:19] <directhex> :o debs!
[00:19] <directhex> http://repo.steampowered.com/steam/
[00:20] <popey> "The package is of bad quality"
[00:20] <popey> Use of uninitialized value $ENV{"HOME"} in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/bin/lintian line 108.
[00:20] <popey> E: steam: malformed-deb-archive found 4 members instead of 3
[00:21] <popey> tsk tsk
[00:21] <ali1234> wasn't it always in debs?
[00:21] <popey> not in the original beta
[00:21] <popey> when it opened to 80K people it did, yes
[00:54] <neuro> 00:14 <ali1234> it looks like 2013 might actually be the year of the linux desktop this time
[00:54] <neuro> BWAHAHAHAHAHA
[00:59] <popey> you have that phrase on highlight? :)
[01:21] <daftykins> http://i.imgur.com/BNspf.jpg
[01:22] <daftykins> gotta love the mr.kipling seasonal feeling
[01:23] <neuro> popey, no i just happened to look at the scrollbacj
[01:23] <neuro> s/cj/ck/
[01:28] <popey> heh, you should see the one we got a few christmasses ago which had plastic IN the mince pie
[01:31] <daftykins> :O
[01:31] <daftykins> that's not festive, that's not festive at all!
[01:31] <daftykins> did you send off with a complaint to get some freebies? :)
[01:36] <popey> dunno, it was AlanBells
[01:36] <popey> http://twitpic.com/3i6gfy
[01:37] <daftykins> whoa :o
[01:37] <popey> gosh, that long ago
[01:37] <daftykins> time, eh :(
[01:37] <popey> I was in my thirties when I took that :(
[01:38] <daftykins> i'm getting dangerously close to my 30s
[01:38] <daftykins> it's a bit scary
[01:38] <daftykins> i've still managed to resist growing up, though i've bought a place locally now, so baby-steps...
[01:39] <popey> locally being?
[01:39] <popey> mainland?
[01:39] <daftykins> nah Guernsey
[01:39] <daftykins> i sold up over on the mainland
[01:40] <popey> oh you're back on the island?
[01:40] <daftykins> yep, now i'm poor due to the vast difference in property cost :)
[01:40] <daftykins> i've been back since i graduated in '08
[01:41] <daftykins> fair bit of travel in the last few years though
[01:42] <popey> right, I'm getting uglier by the second, need my beauty sleep!
[01:42] <popey> nn
[01:44] <daftykins> \o
[08:20] <bigcalm> Good early morning peeps
[08:21] <popey> pip pip
[08:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> afternoonings
[08:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/12/microsoft-offers-patches-to-webkit-to-aid-touch-compatibility/
[08:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Like it - MS are effectively challenging Apple to open up.
[08:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> check your (apache) servers? http://arstechnica.com/security/2012/12/apache-plugin-turns-legit-sites-into-bank-attack-platforms/
[08:40] <popey> \o/ lighttpd :)
[08:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> That's a really clever module - lots of tricks to avoid admin detection..
[08:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> What none of the links say is how to identify if you have it or not :-(
[08:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> It sounds unlikely but hey ho.
[08:49] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning czajkowski
[08:55] <czajkowski> ello TheOpenSourcerer all set for Christmas?
[08:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> Nope :-D
[08:56] <Myrtti> meh
[09:16] <JamesTait> Morning all! o/
[09:16] <dwatkins> mornin!
[10:26] <solarcloud_3scrn> AlanBell, Nice post on The Open Sourcerer 'Privacy is hard. Lets go shopping!' .. I'm checking my amazon EC2- tor account just now, but I'll read it in full later :) http://wp.me/phA9d-R4
[10:34]  * solarcloud_3scrn wonders why no picture of the multicolor socks came with the email .. like his other Wpress email (??) http://wp.me/p9k-63Z
[10:34]  * Laney remains in bed
[10:34] <solarcloud_3scrn> Was that a slight net-split 3-mins ago ?
[10:37] <DJones> Certainly was
[10:42] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:43] <solarcloud_3scrn> brobostigon, morning All.
[10:44] <brobostigon> morning solarcloud_3scrn
[11:46] <mungojerry> can any parents tell me if the "terrible twos" ends at 3rd birthday?
[11:46]  * mungojerry hopes so
[11:57] <czajkowski> lol
[11:57] <czajkowski> mungojerry: that bad
[11:57] <mungojerry> massive screaming tantrums, hissy fits, smacking himself, smashing stuff up
[11:57] <mungojerry> at the smallest thing
[11:58] <czajkowski> how do ye deal with it? give him notice or repremand him?
[11:58] <mungojerry> depends on the severity of tantrum
[11:58] <czajkowski> note I don't have kids, but have been baby sitting since i was 15
[11:58] <mungojerry> removal of privileges, time out in bedroom, smack (don't really work while tantrum is going on)
[11:59] <czajkowski> not the same thing though I handed them back
[11:59] <czajkowski> current little counsin is 3 and a bit and has a temper on her, when she pulls a strop and cries and screams I walk way from her and no attention given, she calms down much faster
[11:59]  * czajkowski has no tolerance for tantrums
[12:00] <czajkowski> not letting a kid dictate to me :)
[12:00] <mungojerry> he had time out in room yesterday...trashed it
[12:00] <mungojerry> we don't give in, so we are setting boundaries
[12:00] <czajkowski> nods
[12:00] <czajkowski> has to be hard
[12:00] <mungojerry> he is quite feisty but hopefully will grow up knowing right from wrong and not givign in to peer pressure
[12:00] <mungojerry> my wife and I are quite similar
[12:00] <mungojerry> apparently i was a "spirited" child
[12:01] <mungojerry> my dad couldn't smack it out of me either
[12:01] <mungojerry> but when all my mates turned into massive druggies as teenagers, i didn't want to compromise my principles, so i thank my parents for that
[12:02] <czajkowski> nods
[12:02] <mungojerry> just hope they stop soon
[12:03] <czajkowski> mungojerry: just the one ye have ?
[12:03] <mungojerry> yeah , another due in march :D
[12:03] <AlanBell> it can get better, or the tantrums get further apart mungojerry
[12:04] <mungojerry> i remember someone in here saying they could count tantrums between 2-3 on one hand. (christel?) i have multiple per day.
[12:04] <mungojerry> potty training at the mo, so increased tension
[12:05] <AlanBell> fun when you get called into school to discuss fighting with boys in the class
[12:06] <Daviey> AlanBell: They called to say they weren't doing enough of it?
[12:06] <popey> mungojerry, when our kids were naughty it was the naughty step
[12:06] <popey> room is a bad idea because thats where toys are
[12:06] <popey> naughty step for 1 minute per their age
[12:06] <AlanBell> Daviey: they called to say she has to stop
[12:08] <popey> mungojerry, friend of mine did potty training by rewarding each success with a very tiny reward. she gave a single piece of brio train track. so started with nothing and by the end was able to build a decent track
[12:08] <popey> we never really had tantrums though, especially not multiple times a day
[12:08] <mungojerry> the potty training is working, but i think it's making him more grouchy, especially grim weather at the mo
[12:09] <popey> what time is bed time / getting up time?
[12:09] <mungojerry> 7.30-8am get up, go bed 6.15-6.30pm
[12:09] <mungojerry> but he recently dropped his morning snooze
[12:09] <czajkowski> maybe that's why he;s a bit more tired
[12:12] <czajkowski> hmmm latest updates on 12.10 is causing me no end of woes on compiz crashes, bt it wont open up a crash report for me to follow up on it :/
[12:12] <popey> czajkowski, apt-cache policy compiz
[12:12] <popey> pastebin it pls
[12:13] <czajkowski> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1452141/
[12:13] <czajkowski> best tool you ever told me to install pastebinit
[12:14] <popey> what triggers a compiz crash for you?
[12:14] <czajkowski> nothing specific, alt tabbing loading rhythmbox up, plugging phone in and then unmounting it
[12:14] <czajkowski> so not one specific thing
[12:15] <TheHustle> hello
[12:15] <popey> hmmm
[12:15] <popey> what if you do "ubuntu-bug compiz"
[12:15] <popey> does that let you file a bug?
[12:16] <czajkowski> lemmie try
[12:16] <czajkowski> as what is happening now is  is the usual dialogue box pops up
[12:16] <czajkowski> compix has crashed
[12:16] <czajkowski> want to submit data
[12:16] <czajkowski> and it goes into a loop and then never opens up
[12:17] <popey> never opens up?
[12:17] <czajkowski> have done a lot of updates this week, it's been quiet up till
[12:17] <popey> its not supposed to open up
[12:17] <czajkowski> in a browswer
[12:17] <czajkowski> to the bug
[12:17] <popey> not supposed to
[12:17] <czajkowski> oh
[12:17] <TheHustle> I'm at the command line in ubuntu, could someone tell me please how to make an image of my cd to .cue, thank yyou.
[12:17] <popey> it submits the crash to daisy
[12:17] <czajkowski> how am I mean to find the bug
[12:17] <popey> you aren't
[12:17] <czajkowski> oh
[12:17] <czajkowski> *confused*
[12:18] <popey> something crashes, apport detects that and writes out a crashdump
[12:18] <czajkowski> nods
[12:18] <popey> whoopsie spots it and if you're online will ask if you want to submit it
[12:18] <popey> if you click the buttons and don't just kill the window, it submits to daisy
[12:18] <popey> and will be in http://errors.ubuntu.com/ somewhere
[12:18] <czajkowski> right
[12:19] <popey> then the backend reports a bug for you
[12:19] <popey> but you dont worry about that, it gets taken care of
[12:19] <popey> however if you _want_ to file a bug, then ubuntu-bug <packagename>
[12:19] <czajkowski> problem is A) the window seems to stay open but you've no idea whats happening or when it's over
[12:19] <czajkowski> b) is a bug created from that report and if so are you added to it ?
[12:19] <popey> ok, hang on..
[12:19] <popey> does compiz _actually_ crash, i mean do the windows go mental?
[12:19] <popey> or do you just keep getting the popup?
[12:20] <popey> compiz crashing looks like the windows lose their decoration temporarily and the launcher disappears for a couple of seconds
[12:20] <czajkowski> windows go mental
[12:20] <popey> ok
[12:20] <czajkowski> and then I cant alt tab between then
[12:20] <popey> do this:-
[12:20] <czajkowski> as it keeps saying compiz neds to restart
[12:21] <popey> ls -l /var/crash | pastebinit
[12:21] <czajkowski> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1452164/
[12:22] <popey> ok, so the crash you had has been uploaded
[12:22] <popey> -rw-r----- 1 czajkowski whoopsie 14636852 Dec 19 17:32 _usr_bin_compiz.1000.crash
[12:22] <popey> -rw-rw-r-- 1 czajkowski whoopsie        0 Dec 19 17:33 _usr_bin_compiz.1000.upload
[12:22] <popey> -rw------- 1 whoopsie   whoopsie        0 Dec 20 10:39 _usr_bin_compiz.1000.uploaded
[12:22] <popey> you had a crash yesterday
[12:22] <czajkowski> nods
[12:23] <Laney> echo http://errors.ubuntu.com/user/$(sudo printf /sys/devices/virtual/dmi/id/product_uuid | sha512sum)
[12:23] <popey> ok, lets clear that out and start fresh
[12:23] <popey> oh nice Laney
[12:23] <Laney> if you can view crashes (bug control?) you can see your submitted stuff there
[12:23] <popey> czajkowski, sudo rm -rf /var/crash/*
[12:23] <czajkowski> popey: thanks
[12:24] <popey> and yeah, pm me the output of what laney said
[12:24] <popey> and I'll find your crash reports
[12:24] <popey> shows none for me Laney, you sure about that?
[12:25] <Laney> ish
[12:25] <popey> i dont see czajkowski's either
[12:26] <Laney> ok, try making it: printf $(sudo cat /sys/class/dmi/id/product_uuid) | sha512sum
[12:26] <popey> huh
[12:26] <popey> wont let me login
[12:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> ping popey
[12:27] <popey> pong
[12:27] <TheHustle> can i make an image of my cd @ the command line, please?
[12:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> If you saw a list of products from SAP that had a column "Issue Type" with Inter and Back in it, what would you think they mean?
[12:28] <czajkowski> TheHustle: what do you mean ?
[12:28] <popey> aha! thats better
[12:29] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer, got a url?
[12:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> no - a csv file ;-)
[12:29] <TheHustle> czajkowski: I have a CD, I don't want to risk loosing the important data, i would like to make a 1:1 .bin file of it
[12:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's a table of some products.
[12:29] <TheHustle> at the command line
[12:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> The other columns make sense. If you don't know never mind I will ask the customer - at least it's not something taht's totally obvious.
[12:31] <popey> bah, can see your error reports czajkowski but can't click the individual ones :(
[12:32] <czajkowski> TheHustle: not sure this is of help to you but have you looked at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CdDvd/Burning
[12:33] <czajkowski> popey: this is all a bit confusing :( this is wy I like LP ;)
[12:33] <popey> what's confusing?
[12:34] <czajkowski> not as easy to find - I know it's there but just I guess not as intutitive.
[12:34] <popey> you're not supposed to
[12:34] <popey> thats the point
[12:35] <czajkowski> cool
[12:35] <czajkowski> well now I know
[12:35] <czajkowski> cheers for the help popey
[12:36] <TheHustle> czajkowski, thank you
[12:53] <BigRedS> Anyone know of a good shop (or shops) in London to go to to look at and buy outdoorsy knives? £50-£70ish
[12:54] <Laney> find an army surplus store
[12:55] <bigcalm> BigRedS: try a scuba diving shop
[12:55] <BigRedS> Oooh, not thought of scuba diving
[12:56] <bigcalm> I remember the knifes my parents used to own. Huge and vicious looking things
[12:56] <BigRedS> ah, yeah, a sheath knife rather than a folding one. Most surplus places only do folding knioves, though I think crews hill does sheathes
[12:57] <brobostigon> i have a leatherman, myself.
[12:58] <Myrtti> I want a thing to cut yarn with but so far the best suggestion has been a box of dental floss
[12:58] <BigRedS> cut yarn with dental floss?
[12:58] <BigRedS> :)
[12:58] <bigcalm> I was wondering that myself
[12:58] <Myrtti> most tiny leatherman have knives in them
[12:58] <czajkowski> BigRedS: what are you up to ?
[12:59] <BigRedS> haha, it's for a friend!
[12:59] <Myrtti> so they might be confiscated at airports
[13:00] <BigRedS> Myrtti: ahhh, leatherman used to do an airport-friendly knife. Style? Either way, I find it easiest to put anything remotely tool-looking in the hold
[13:01] <Myrtti> yeah well the point is that I might actually knit in the plane
[13:01] <Myrtti> Check this out on AMZN:
[13:01] <Myrtti> Clover Yarn Cutter Pendant Antique Silver
[13:01] <Myrtti> http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0058UDEC8/ref=cm_sw_r_an_am_ap_am_gb?ie=UTF8
[13:01] <czajkowski> BigRedS: cant go wrong on amazon
[13:01] <Myrtti> even that might get confiscated apparently
[13:01] <Myrtti> as it is a rotary blade
[13:02] <Myrtti> (sorry about the sucky paste)
[13:03] <BigRedS> czajkowski: yeah, he wants to ask somebody which kife to get, though
[13:03] <BigRedS> Oh! That sort of yarn!
[13:03] <BigRedS> This is all making sense now. I'd pictured you as some travelling net-maker or something. :)
[13:04] <Myrtti> hehe, nono
[13:05] <Myrtti> http://www.ravelry.com/projects/Myrtti/haruni it ended up being very Ubuntuish in colours
[13:08] <BigRedS> oh wow
[13:08] <Myrtti> which was fitting because it was for elky
[14:07] <AlanBell> czajkowski: popey: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2832 Aldershot!
[14:09] <popey> ooh!
[14:12] <Seeker`> ~o/
[14:12] <czajkowski> oh :)
[15:26] <popey> saw this and thought of czajkowski http://imgur.com/gallery/Ptnzd
[15:35] <bigcalm> o.O
[15:40] <directhex> http://store.steampowered.com/about/ is very linuxy now
[15:44] <bigcalm> Something don't install for me :(
[15:44] <bigcalm> +s
[15:48] <popey> heh, nice!
[15:48] <popey> directhex, see system requirements in bottom right
[15:49] <mgdm> heheh
[15:49] <bigcalm> Oops
[15:50] <sprmtt> 39 games just isn't enough for linux :(
[15:50] <bigcalm> Games seem quite expensive once again
[15:50] <popey> it's still in beta
[15:50] <sprmtt> I don't mind the cost of a game... if it's good
[15:51] <directhex> popey, the giant "join the steam beta" penguin is on *all* versions of that page, not just linux
[15:51] <popey> most of the games in my steam thing came from humble bundle
[15:51] <directhex> i.e. the "Not running on Linux yet? Grab Ubuntu 12.04 LTS" download is shown to every single man woman & child trying to download steam on windows right now
[15:52] <popey> sweet!
[15:53] <czajkowski> popey: ROFLOL
[15:53] <bigcalm> Would be nice to add games via the website
[15:54] <popey> now we need to badger indiecity for their linux client
[15:54] <popey> oddly they made one for RPi
[15:55] <czajkowski> popey: you free for a quick call?
[15:56] <popey> ya
[15:56] <popey> 5 mins, just packing everyone out
[15:57] <czajkowski> cool
[15:57] <czajkowski> invite sent join whenever
[16:04] <Azelphur> I'm thinking of buying this ikea galant combination desk, thoughts? https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/misc/2012/December/layout.png :P
[16:05] <directhex> my desk is galant#
[16:05] <directhex> your office is about a million miles square if it has room for that
[16:05] <dogmatic69> maybe someone here could help (if you worked on / know gfx drivers) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13975917/calculate-colour-temperature-in-k
[16:06] <Azelphur> directhex: https://www.dropbox.com/s/pvltgec8fm4jtpo/2012-12-20%2015.54.15.jpg is the clearance, haha
[16:06] <dogmatic69> The gfx card configs normally show temperature.. its a long shot
[16:11] <popey> czajkowski, i broke hangouts
[17:56] <n1md4> hi there.  anyone know which config to check to see if auto-updates has been configured.  I've not had to update a system for a long time now, it's getting suspicious ;)
[19:15] <dave101010> steam for linux
[19:15] <Azelphur> firefox for linux
[19:16] <dave101010> fire fox is a natural par but steam was relaies today
[19:16] <Azelphur> open beta, fun
[19:17] <dave101010> yeah tyr omgubntu or google buut i just got it
[19:17] <Azelphur> I've been in the closed beta for a while :P
[19:17] <dave101010> you lucky b!"£$%d
[19:18] <Azelphur> :)
[19:18] <dave101010> i want to go closed betea twice but they did not acsept me
[19:20] <dave101010> thaey are adding new games and software all the time so soon it will be so good on ubuntu
[19:22] <dave101010> welcome back fwerede
[19:26] <dogmatic69> in C, Temperature_to_RGB(*T, testRGB); after that call T would be changed by the Temperature_to_RGB() function right?
[19:26] <dogmatic69> that is by reference or something?
[19:29] <dave101010> i think so
[20:40] <AlanBell> anyone running gnome shell and want to test an extension?
[20:41] <ubuntubhoy> OK
[20:45] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/shopping.zip
[20:45] <AlanBell> you should be able to download that, and use the gnome-tweak tool to add it
[20:48] <ubuntubhoy> done, what should it do ?
[20:49] <AlanBell> you should then be able to hit super (to go to overview mode) and type something like "a hot sauce" or "a green shoes"
[20:50] <ubuntubhoy> K
[20:51] <AlanBell> not sure if it will require you to restart gnome-shell or not
[20:51] <ubuntubhoy> hmm, nothing
[20:52] <ubuntubhoy> also, should it show in the extensions list
[20:52] <AlanBell> try alt-f2 r
[20:52] <ubuntubhoy> cause it ain't there
[20:52] <AlanBell> https://extensions.gnome.org/local/ not there?
[20:58] <ubuntubhoy> showing, and active
[20:58] <ubuntubhoy> but only apps, settings and contacts are showing
[20:58] <ubuntubhoy> when I search
[20:58] <ubuntubhoy> lost connection
[20:59] <ubuntubhoy> did you get that previous
[20:59] <ubuntubhoy> but only apps, settings and contacts are showing
[20:59] <ubuntubhoy> ^^
[21:02] <AlanBell> ok, thanks ubuntubhoy
[21:02] <ubuntubhoy> AlanBell: you forgot to say I needed the 'a'
[21:02] <ubuntubhoy> its working
[21:02] <AlanBell> yay
[21:02] <ubuntubhoy> lol
[21:03] <AlanBell> in the settings you can remove the "a" or change it
[21:03] <AlanBell> if you remove the "a" prefix then it works like the unity shopping lens and searches for everything you type
[21:04] <ubuntubhoy> I think I will change it
[21:04] <ubuntubhoy> don't want it all the time
[21:04] <ubuntubhoy> shop will probably suffice
[21:06] <ubuntubhoy> AlanBell: you should allow multiple sources
[21:06] <ubuntubhoy> rather than just one
[21:07] <AlanBell> maybe
[21:07] <ubuntubhoy> I would use it if I could add ebay
[21:07] <ubuntubhoy> would be quite handy then
[21:07] <AlanBell> yeah, I would like to do that
[21:14] <AlanBell> nah, loadsa terms and conditions for using the ebay API from a downloadable application
[21:14] <ali1234> http://www.grimrock.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=4571 <- can anyone confirm this?
[21:15] <ubuntubhoy> bummer
[21:36] <Myrtti> wohoo! it turns out I'm not supposed to eat sprouts because they increase blood clotting. WIN!
[21:36] <ubuntubhoy> AlanBell: one other slight omission from your extension - the price should really be on the results
[21:40] <AlanBell> ubuntubhoy: yeah, it should, I think below the image or something
[21:40] <ubuntubhoy> as long as it stands out
[21:40] <ubuntubhoy> maybe even just a larger bolder font
[22:06] <cocoa117> has anyone noticed when you using inotifywait program for notification when the file is created and closed. If the file is big like 4G, and take a while for scp to copy it over to the machine, you still get close_nowrite event, and even you somehow move the file to different folder, the scp continues without issue
[22:06] <cocoa117> is this the supports to happen?
[22:13] <ali1234> yes
[22:13] <ali1234> you can move an open file without invalidating the file descriptor on linux
[22:13] <ali1234> in fact you can even delete it
[22:14] <ali1234> for example, download a large file in firefox and accidentally deleted the file half way through downloading?
[22:14] <ali1234> firefox will continue downloading
[22:15] <ali1234> you can still access the file in /proc/`pidof firefox`/fd/
[22:15] <ali1234> it will disappear as soon as the file finishes downloading though
[22:15] <ali1234> what you need to do is tail -c +0 /proc/`pidof firefox`/fd/<fd> > myfile


[00:15] <pleia2> we don't want to close them down during off times, people have been asking questions about session changes and start times
[00:15] <pleia2> it's only a week, we just nudge them to #ubuntu for support and give UOW direction as needed :)
[00:16] <nalioth> pleia2: we're not talking about the times between open week sessions (at least i don't think we are)
[00:17] <pleia2> ok, well even then it's not frequently off-topic, we like keeping it open so people can pop in and do sessions as needed
[00:18] <pleia2> sometimes people also use it to take more complicated issues from #ubuntu into a quieter place
[00:19] <pleia2> the classroom project is supportive of this usage :)
[00:24] <nalioth> pleia2: we're nto talkinabout -classroom, either ( i'm getting confused )
[00:24] <nalioth> we're talking about -classroom-chat
[00:26] <pleia2> nalioth: some impromptu sessions use -chat too, I'd really rather not have it locked down
[06:09] <Flannel> lag!
[06:37] <Flannel> sorted
[07:47] <dholbach> good morning
[07:48] <bazhang> hi!
[07:51] <MenZa> morning dholbach
[07:52] <dholbach> hi MenZa, hi bazhang
[07:52] <bazhang> :)
[07:53] <MenZa> wie geht's dieser freuen Morgen?
[07:53] <dholbach> gut gut :)
[07:53] <dholbach> how are you?
[07:53] <MenZa> excellent
[07:53] <MenZa> and my German's a bit rusty, pardon that
[07:54]  * MenZa checks today's OW schedule
[08:17] <raebodep> Hi, I'm muted on #ubuntu for no reason
[08:18] <MenZa> raebodep: The floodbot did that - as Jordan_U mentioned. Perhaps bazhang can fix this little mishap?
[08:20] <bazhang> raebodep, try now
[08:20] <raebodep> Thank you
[08:20] <bazhang> you're welcome :)
[08:34] <ikonia> raebodep: do you need help in here ?
[08:34] <raebodep> Yes
[08:34] <ikonia> what's the problem ?
[08:35] <raebodep> Your bots are freaking out
[08:35] <ikonia> no they are not
[08:35] <raebodep> Yes they are
[08:35] <ikonia> you're mute problem has been solved
[08:35] <raebodep> They are annoying
[08:35] <ikonia> raebodep: they are performiung their function correctly
[08:36] <ikonia> for the record raebodep appears to be attempting to troll #ubuntu so I'd take that with a pinch of salt
[08:36] <Tm_T> hrrr
[08:37] <mneptok> hold his nick up to a mirror
[08:37] <mneptok> @login
[08:40] <ikonia> ooh is it that bear guy again ?
[08:40] <bazhang> bearshare?
[08:40] <ikonia> yes
[08:41] <Tm_T> n=avoid@ (;)
[08:51] <bazhang> ah pedobear
[09:06] <jacquesdupontd> hi
[09:07] <ikonia> jacquesdupontd: hi thanks for joining.
[09:07] <jacquesdupontd> so tell me i know what i did bad i'm really sorry but must admit i've bigger problems but i shouldn't have done it and i'm here cause i need this channel as it needs me sometimes that's the principe
[09:07] <ikonia> just a quick one, I've no doubt that your comment was a light hearted joke, however making reference to drugs eg: the more you take/less you take the better/worse it is - than to ubuntu
[09:08] <ikonia> I'd appriciated it if you could leave that sort of refernce out of the channel
[09:08] <ikonia> is that acceptable ?
[09:11] <jacquesdupontd> just lemme apologize that was just for the joke i can't see the point about helping and at the same time make people feel that ubuntu is open mind and that we can help and have fun at the same time, my point of view is that if we want (and i want it since 5 years, i've made like 100 installations personals computer of guys and also many girls that are now thanking me everyday) but i'm sure you understand me it's not abo
[09:11] <jacquesdupontd> ut asking age sex and city on the help/support chat but i think the goal is to help people, that's what i'm doing and i agree sometimes i make joke in the same time but i always try to be on the subject
[09:12] <ikonia> jacquesdupontd: I suggest you check out the channel guidelines, 1.) it's a very busy support channel - making joke lines just adds to then noise 2.) not all people will take your comments as a joke and could see it as rude or in appropriate, so it's best not to do it 3.) people come to the channel for support, give them support, if you want to have fun with them, join #ubuntu-offtopic with them or another offtopic channel
[09:12] <jacquesdupontd> ikonia, you know for sure everybody has his point of view on drugs and we were not talking about that at all, i took a bad example but i could have said my favorite grand ma sentence : salt, you always can put more, but you're never able to take some off
[09:13] <jacquesdupontd> it means the same thing
[09:13] <ikonia> jacquesdupontd: that would have made it slightly better and less open to offense, however it still wouldn't have been required
[09:14] <ikonia> the only problem I had was you referencing drugs as a bench mark, if you can drop that sort of comment, there is no problem at all
[09:15] <jacquesdupontd> ikonia, you know we're not gonna discuss during hours about that, i think we are both adult, i completely understand that you do your work for the ubuntu support irc chat to be safe and for it's rules to be followed but thanks i've already read rules a long time ago but sometimes i really can't see the point and i couldn't imagine that you would tell me something about it, anyway i understand i apologize and now i would
[09:15] <jacquesdupontd>  prefer to take my time to help people than defending myself on this fact.
[09:16] <jacquesdupontd> but before i leave i have to ask you something
[09:16] <ikonia> jacquesdupontd: if you have read the rules - you know them, just because you disagree with them doesn't mean you can ignore them
[09:16] <ikonia> jacquesdupontd: please ask.
[09:17] <jacquesdupontd> i don't disagree at all, sorry ubuntu irc chat is not taking my complete lifetime and i'm doing a lot of thing and i made a mistake, i thank you to take time to explain me it and think i just apologize
[09:17] <jacquesdupontd> my question
[09:17] <ikonia> that's not a problem at all, I appriciate it, every one makes mistakes
[09:18] <jacquesdupontd> that's what i wanted to say, but i understand now that the word drug first is not seen tne same at all in different countries and culture
[09:19] <ikonia> thats fine, that was the point I was making
[09:20] <jacquesdupontd> i'm not seeing it this way, i'm an electronic producer and i dj all over the world wich doesn't mean at all that i take drugs but means that this subject is like talking about cofee or wine for me and we don't even talk about it anyway i totally agree with you
[09:20] <jacquesdupontd> but now about the #offtopic never worked
[09:20] <ikonia> I'm not sure how anything you've just said has any relevance, please just follow the rules of the channel.
[09:21] <jacquesdupontd> cause when you have a discussion that can be interesting with someone it's really boring to tell the guy come to offtopic with me, the place to talk and make jokes with only UBUNTU Community
[09:21] <ikonia> jacquesdupontd: ubuntu is not for dicussion or jokes, it's for #ubuntu support and disscussion, if you're on those two topics, there is no problem
[09:21]  * MenZa swaps ikonia's #ubuntu and ubuntu around
[09:22] <ikonia> thank you
[09:24] <jacquesdupontd> i'm used to make joke as they come and i'm used on irc that everybody can join sometimes for 1 sentence. The subject (wich can be something else than a joke and can be on computers) just come like that and i can't see the point of joining the offtopic to tell 1 thing that you wanted to say then leave the chat and then come back on the #ubuntu support channel. Understand me, you can't know how i thank this channel to exi
[09:24] <jacquesdupontd> st cause it had helped me for years but i've helped people a lot too and i'm opening a debat : my point of view is that ubuntu has to play on the fact that we are not geek are bots like ms people can be.
[09:25] <ikonia> jacquesdupontd: - no one is asking you to act like geeks or bots, but making drug references/jokes is not acceptabe - that's how it is
[09:26] <ikonia> jacquesdupontd: the channel is VERY busy, so it needs to stick to support discussion only, those are the rules for the channel, and they have kept it running sucessfully
[09:26] <jacquesdupontd> totally agree but been caught for much more less sometimes it's applying rules for applying rules and not for what has been made the rule for. But this is another subject that is working with everything and we won't resolve it today.
[09:27] <ikonia> it's not
[09:27] <ikonia> it's applying the rules, because they are the rules and your comment was inappropriate
[09:28] <ikonia> however - I must leave now and can't really continue this discussion.
[09:28] <ikonia> as I've said - please follow the rules of the channel, there will be no problems, be human and friendly but keep away from the drugs references please.
[09:28] <jacquesdupontd> ikonia, since karmic came out i'm on the channel and helping people and mostly of the type in /query windows so it doesn't flood the channel. I was sure after karmic would get out there would be a lot of people, didn't knew this karmic would be so different/buggy and now i've set it perfectly i want to tell them that's it's not a bad version
[09:28] <ikonia> jacquesdupontd: that comment has no relevence to the discusison
[09:28] <ikonia> jacquesdupontd: support is also supposed to be provided in the channel so others can benifit from it
[09:29] <jacquesdupontd> ikonia, btw i don't do drug since 4 years but we don't care at all
[09:29] <ikonia> jacquesdupontd: I'm not interested in your drug commitments
[09:29] <ikonia> I'm interested in you keeping the drug references out of #ubuntu - that's all I ask
[09:29] <jacquesdupontd> ikonia, seems nothing i'll say will be ok, then thx for remembering me the rules cya later.
[09:30] <ikonia> you've said you'll stop the drug references, that's great, that's all I asked
[09:30] <ikonia> if you've nothing else you're welcome to leave #ubuntu-ops and return to #ubuntu
[09:41] <bazhang> floodbots seem to be slow responding
[09:55] <DJones> Hi, Just wondering are the floodbots down at the minute? A couple of times in teh last few minutes people have pasted into the channel and floodbots haven't done anything
[09:55] <bazhang> DJones, seem to be
[09:56] <DJones> ok, thanks, just thought it was worth bringing to attention in case it hadn't been noticed
[10:11] <jrib> if anyone is bored, construct a nice mask to catch http://ubottu.com/bans.cgi?query=yoshi&kicks=on&oldbans=on&bans=on&oldmutes=on&mutes=on&floods=on
[11:56] <jrib> no one took up my offer huh
[11:56] <jrib> for now I'm forwarding n=nds@ here
[12:00] <jpds> "Sorry, bantracker is not available for anonymous users
[12:00] <jpds> Join #ubuntu-ops on irc.freenode.net to descuss bans
[12:00] <jpds> The bantracker should really use OpenID.
[12:02] <jrib> jpds: his ips used to have some similarities but they're pretty random now anyway
[12:06] <elky> jpds, i'm sure tsimpson would welcome your patches :P
[12:28] <MenZa> jpds: and use Launchpad, too? :P
[12:43] <bazhang> oh right, Avash_
[12:45] <MenZa> what's our policy on nicknames like that? o_o
[12:45] <bazhang> none afaik
[12:45] <MenZa> hmm
[12:45] <MenZa> oh well, it was the lart abuse that got me
[12:45] <MenZa> just like yesterday
[12:45] <bazhang> or got him rather :)
[12:46] <MenZa> heh
[12:57] <jussio1> @now
[13:10] <jpds> elky: heh.
[13:11] <jpds> jussio1: I think you have to specify $TZ.
[13:11] <jussio1> jpds: yup
[13:11] <jussio1> @now helsinki
[13:11] <jussio1> @login
[13:11] <jussio1> @now helsinki
[13:11] <jussio1> @now
[13:11] <jussio1> nope, just need to be logged in...
[13:11] <jussio1> :/
[13:12] <jussio1> tsimpson: how about fixing that if youve a min...
[13:48] <jpds> Pici: Haha.
[15:38] <apparle> I am unable to connect to ubuntu through webchat.freenode.net
[15:40] <Pici> apparle: I'm looking into it, one moment.
[15:40] <ikonia> errr why can't I join ops-monitor ?
[15:41] <Pici> apparle: Can you part #ubuntu-proxy-users and then try to join #ubuntu again?
[15:41] <Pici> It should be working now.
[15:42] <Pici> ikonia: Your hostmask changed.
[15:42] <ikonia> shouldn't have, I'm on the same box
[15:43] <ikonia> ughhh my cloak hasn't been changed back yet
[15:43] <ikonia> that's why
[15:43] <ikonia> hang on, thank you Pici
[15:43] <Pici> ikonia: you're now a pdpc supporter, not unaffiliated.
[15:43] <Pici> ikonia: try again.
[15:43] <ikonia> I know, I asked for it to be changed back
[15:43] <ikonia> one moment, lets get it put back
[15:44] <Pici> ikonia: I added an invite exception for pdpc/*/ikonia for now
[15:44] <ikonia> thank you
[15:49] <apparle> Pici: thanks
[16:51] <mneptok> jussio1: ready to rock?
[16:51] <jussio1> yup
[16:54] <jussio1> mneptok: follow script, you intro, then me, then you?
[16:55] <mneptok> yes please
[16:55] <jussio1> :)
[16:58] <jussio1> ubottu: join #ubuntu-classroom
[17:29] <mneptok> about to call ops in -classroom. please ignore.
[17:34]  * topyli ignores
[17:36] <tsimpson> I hate thee supybot
[17:39] <nalioth> tsimpson: you killed ubottu!  :P
[17:39] <topyli> :-o
[17:39] <tsimpson> well it's being naughty
[17:41] <ikonia> interesting session
[18:00] <tsimpson> how come ubottu and ubot2 are in -classroom?
[18:01] <ikonia> 6nice session jussio1 and mneptok
[18:01] <Pici> jussio1, mneptok: I unforunately *just* got back to my desk, but I read through most of the backlog in -classroom.  Good session guys, and thanks :)
[18:02]  * mneptok high-fives jussio1
[18:17] <tsimpson> !also does a few other tasks, if she notices a bug number in the form "bug 2" then she will tell the channel what the bug
[18:17] <tsimpson> jussio1: ^ ;)
[18:24] <maco> win 20
[18:59] <jussio1> tsimpson: yeah, I know... oops
[19:03] <tonyyarusso> Karmic is outsmarting me - bah.
[19:03] <jussio1> tonyyarusso: fail :P
[19:04] <tonyyarusso> jussio1: inrite?  Usability should mean that if I knew how to do something in Jaunty, I shouldn't *lose* that ability in future versions...
[19:04] <tonyyarusso> +o
[19:05] <jussio1> tonyyarusso: whats bothering you?
[19:08] <tonyyarusso> jussio1: In Karmic, I can play sounds on the machine, and sound recorder can record from line-in, but I can't figure out how to pass-through from line-in to output, such that it plays the input through it's output.
[19:08] <tonyyarusso> The sound dialogue is too dumbed down to do anything anymore, and I'm not sure where those options got moved to.
[19:10] <maco__> im not sure "but thats teh hacky way weve always done it" counts, tonyyarusso
[19:11] <tonyyarusso> maco: Hacky?  There was a checkbox specifically for this function!
[19:12] <maco> i dont actually know what youre talking about
[19:12] <maco> just saying that "thats how we've always done it" isnt a decent usability argument
[19:12] <tonyyarusso> maco: I have a radio plugged into my computer's line-in, and speakers plugged into the line-out.  I want to play the radio and hear it.
[19:12] <maco> pavucontrol?
[19:12] <tonyyarusso> maco: Agreed - the argument is "There was a way we've always done it, and now there appears to be no way, same or not"
[19:13] <tonyyarusso> In the process of installing that now to look.
[19:13] <tonyyarusso> If yes, that should be installed by default.
[19:14] <tonyyarusso> I also don't have any terminal beeps anymore, so I don't know when I get highlights in irssi.
[19:14] <jussio1> tonyyarusso: Use KDE :P
[19:14] <maco> oh the hardware beep was disabled
[19:14] <maco> you should have an option somewhere for a software beep though
[19:14] <maco> or visual bell, for the hearing impaired
[19:16] <tonyyarusso> "should", yes.  I haven't found it yet though.
[19:16] <maco> used to be in system -> prefrences -> sound, back when i used gnome
[19:17] <tonyyarusso> Yeah, I'm aware.
[19:17] <tonyyarusso> System > Prefs > Sound doesn't have ANY of the options it used to anymore.  It's basically just a little level slider.  Useless.
[19:18] <tonyyarusso> I can't find what I need in any of padevchooser paman paprefs pavucontrol pavumeter  either.
[19:24] <tonyyarusso> There.  Installing gnome-alsamixer got me what I need.  wth.
[19:28] <tonyyarusso> Still no beeps though
[20:13] <tonyyarusso> Well, if y'all wonder why I don't answer ops calls for the next six months, this will be why...  Grr.
[20:18] <Amaranth> tonyyarusso: the alert sounds should be going through one of alsa, libcanberra, gstreamer, or esd
[20:18] <Amaranth> all route to pulseaudio
[20:18] <Amaranth> (depends on the app)
[20:18] <Amaranth> pulseaudio's volume slider is supposed to control every volume slider in alsamixer
[20:19] <Amaranth> but that feature may have gotten disabled due to crappy drivers that overdrive at 0 dB
[20:20] <Amaranth> tonyyarusso: are you not getting _any_ alert sounds or just none from your IRC client?
[20:23] <Amaranth> tonyyarusso: try this: pactl load-module module-x11-bell sample=bell.ogg
[20:23] <tonyyarusso> Amaranth: Not getting any as far as I can tell, but I'm not sure what else should cause them.
[20:24] <tonyyarusso> Amaranth: ran that command; now what?
[20:24] <Amaranth> tonyyarusso: now do you get a beep? :)
[20:24] <tonyyarusso> No.
[20:25] <Amaranth> well crap
[20:26] <Amaranth> hmm, I don't anymore either
[20:26] <tonyyarusso> I've found at least 5 people with the same issue, but no answers.
[20:26] <Amaranth> tonyyarusso: say my nick
[20:26] <tonyyarusso> Amaranth:
[20:26]  * Amaranth curses a lot
[20:26] <Amaranth> this worked at beta time
[20:27] <tonyyarusso> By "worked" do you mean you had Gnome alert sounds or pcspkr?
[20:27] <Amaranth> tonyyarusso: do you have a "Beep" slider in alsamixer?
[20:27] <Amaranth> tonyyarusso: alert sounds
[20:27] <Pici> pcspkr is blacklisted
[20:27] <Amaranth> and the alert sound that replaces the beep, specifically
[20:28] <tonyyarusso> Amaranth: Yeah - it was muted by default, but I unmuted and raised it all the way up already
[20:28] <Amaranth> tonyyarusso: yeah mine is completely broken too :/
[20:28] <tonyyarusso> Pici: I'm aware.  The issue is that its replacement doesn't work.
[20:29] <telnetamaranth> Amaranth: test
[20:30] <tonyyarusso> WTF
[20:31] <tonyyarusso> Amaranth: Turn off Compiz.
[20:31] <Amaranth> tonyyarusso: I know, the pactl workaround worked as of the 21st of October
[20:31] <Pici> compiz has its own bell thing, I remember seeing an option in ccsm, doesnt it?
[20:31] <Amaranth> compiz still tells X to trigger a system beep while metacity uses libcanberra
[20:31] <Amaranth> so you need pulseaudio to override the X beep with bell.ogg
[20:31] <Pici> I just have ssh access here, so I can't really test anything.
[20:32] <Amaranth> Pici: it does but it is enabled by default
[20:32] <Pici> Amaranth: Is it?
[20:32] <Amaranth> Pici: audible bell is, yes
[20:32] <Amaranth> tonyyarusso: actually switching to metacity didn't help me...
[20:33] <tonyyarusso> huh
[20:33] <tonyyarusso> did here
[20:33] <tonyyarusso> via the Sys>prefs>appearance thing
[20:34] <tonyyarusso> Amaranth: any idea what changed after beta?
[20:34] <Amaranth> tonyyarusso: no idea
[20:34] <Amaranth> hmm, it seems the xchat-gnome sound notification plugin won't stay loaded
[20:36] <Amaranth> even if I give it a full path to the bell.ogg it fails to do anything useful
[20:36] <Amaranth> so pulseaudio broke, yay
[20:38] <tonyyarusso> I was really hoping Karmic would be the release where PA wasn't broken finally...
[20:42] <tonyyarusso> Amaranth: is this a compiz bug, a pulseaudio bug, or something else?
[20:42] <Amaranth> tonyyarusso: pulseaudio and compiz, technically
[20:42] <Amaranth> tonyyarusso: a fix in either one will fix the problem
[20:42] <tonyyarusso> ok
[20:42] <Amaranth> for pulseaudio it's actually a bug fix, for compiz it's a new feature :)
[20:42] <Amaranth> bug 301174
[20:42] <Amaranth> please don't file another :)
[20:43] <tonyyarusso> too late :(
[20:44] <Amaranth> dupe it :)
[20:46] <tonyyarusso> I'm confused as to how people managed to close the bug requesting that pcspkr be disabled without bothering to make sure things worked with its replacement.  Bad release management there.
[20:47] <Pici> pcspkr has been blacklisted for at least two releases now iirc.
[20:50] <Flannel> openweek6?  Someone's gotta get the point across to the people using webchat that they need to pick nicks.
[21:05] <czajkowski> hey has anyone had any dealings with a  tusker before ?
[21:10] <ikonia> nick rings a bell
[21:11] <czajkowski> he's been trolling the last hour in the openweek classroom chat on the ubuntu women
[21:11] <czajkowski> pulled him aside and had a we chat as pleia2 was giving her talk and no maco is
[21:12] <Flannel> He's not in the BT
[21:12] <ikonia> let me check that IP - as I'm aware of someone else bragging about #u-w in the last hour
[21:12] <Flannel> that I can see
[21:13] <elky> ikonia, if that's sss, then grrr.
[21:13] <ikonia> I hope not
[21:13] <elky> i will grrr him in to next century if it is.
[21:14] <czajkowski> heh
[21:14] <czajkowski> well I just siad I'd pop in here and let folks know he's about anyways
[21:14] <ikonia> doesn't look like it is, IP's not the right country - not that that is fact, but it's an early sign
[21:15] <guntbert> hi, please can someone have a look at ranix in #ubuntu - maybe he is only a bit over ambitious - but he could be on the edge to trolling/dubious advice too
[21:15] <ikonia> sure
[21:15] <guntbert> thx
[21:15] <ikonia> I'll speak to him in PM now
[21:16] <elky> which him? both hims?
[21:18] <ikonia> ranix
[21:18] <ikonia> leave sx3 alone
[21:18] <ikonia> leaving
[21:20] <ikonia> interesting got a grumpy reponse to use a bot to talk to ranix in pm - I'll try to get him to join here as he doesn't seen keen on a pm
[21:21] <Flannel> Use a bot to talk to him in pm?
[21:21] <ikonia> yes???? didn't seem happy that I'd pm'd him first without asking, told me to use the bot or ask questions in the channel
[21:21] <ikonia> now ignoring me
[21:22] <ikonia> ahhh ranix thank you for joining
[21:22] <ranix> happy to be here
[21:22] <ikonia> just a quick request to see if you could tone down the agression towards some of the comments you're giving to users in #ubuntu recently
[21:22] <ranix> OK
[21:23] <ikonia> telling people not to use guis, google first, use debian not ubuntu, etc etc, a little more friendly/helpful would work a little better
[21:23] <ikonia> is that possible ?
[21:27] <ikonia> ranix: I've just read your comments in #debian-offtopic and it's now clear you've been trying to troll the channel
[21:29] <ikonia> ranix: if there is nothing else to discuss please leave the channel as this channel has a non-idle policy
[21:30] <ranix> ah sorry, I was working
[21:33] <ikonia> how sad, #debian-offtopic appears to cheer on / almost make a joke out of ranix trolling other channels.
[22:15] <Flannel> Howdy kjoer
[22:15] <kjoer> hi
[22:15] <kjoer> eh
[22:16] <kjoer> quit msg i take it
[22:16] <Flannel> Indeed.
[22:16] <kjoer> sorry :/
[22:16] <kjoer> its random, some of em are indeed a bit nasty
[22:17] <tonyyarusso> Might want to redo that database then
[22:17] <kjoer> disabled them
[22:17] <mneptok> even better
[22:17] <tonyyarusso> That works too.
[22:18] <mneptok> random /quit messages are like letting your enemies write a list of things to say on a first date
[22:18] <kjoer> hehe
[22:18] <Flannel> mneptok: You mean we're not supposed to do that?
[22:18] <mneptok> "Boy, those pills sure helped clear up that discharge."
[22:19] <mneptok> "Wait ... where are you going?"
[22:20] <Flannel> kjoer: You should be able to rejoin #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic now
[22:20] <kjoer> ok, thanks, sorry for the inconvenience, wont happen again
[22:53] <tomaw> I don't suppose there's a spanish speaking soul around is there?
[22:55] <tomaw> nm, the annoyance quit
[23:20] <tsimpson> you'd probably find a couple in -irc if you ever need one again
[23:21] <ikonia> #ubuntu-es maybe ? they have been helpful in the past
[23:22] <Flannel> Wow.  A netsplit of two people?
[23:23] <ikonia> big hit !
[23:29] <MenZa> DOUBLEKILL.
[23:30] <niko> pratchett i guess
[23:37] <eclipse75> ikonia = ignorant bitch :) now i am done
[23:37]  * nalioth blinks
[23:37] <Flannel> done is certainly one word for it
[23:37] <tsimpson> well, that was.. something
[23:38] <Flannel> Howdy eclipse75
[23:38] <eclipse75> oh, and ##slackware is better. also the distro is more stable now im done
[23:38] <tsimpson> is there something we can help you with eclipse75, without insulting people?
[23:38] <eclipse75> that was directed towards ikonia
[23:38] <eclipse75> :D
[23:38] <eclipse75> nah just towards ikonia
[23:38] <nalioth> eclipse75: you can PM ikonia as you wish
[23:38] <tsimpson> I guess not
[23:39]  * nalioth has had enough of that childishness for a bit
[23:39] <ikonia> I'll on phone 2 mins
[23:39] <tsimpson> the forward from #ubuntu should be set to a normal ban
[23:39] <ikonia> on phone sorry


[00:46] <diddledan> new hard thingy coming in the morro
[00:46] <diddledan> 3TeeBees
[00:47] <diddledan> it's a replacement so I don't actually benefit from getting 3 more because I'm replacing half of a mirrored pair
[00:56] <daftykins> ;)
[00:57] <daftykins> you get to watch it rebuild!
[01:20] <diddledan> das blinkenlights
[01:22] <daftykins> https://imgur.com/gallery/Qz4bU
[01:23] <daftykins> ZOINKS!
[08:16] <diplo> Morning all
[08:17] <SuperMatt> morning
[08:22] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:40] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy World Thinking Day! 😃
[10:38] <diddledan> merign
[10:38] <diddledan> mernign8
[10:47] <diddledan> I wonder when my disk is gonna arrive....
[10:47] <diddledan> probably last thing this afternoon >.<
[11:03] <diddledan> I has a disk (unless it's something else.. haven't opened the box yet)
[11:32] <diddledan> das blinkenlight ist blinken flashy!
[11:41] <diddledan> 6 hours to completely resilver
[19:50] <andylockran> howdy guys :)
[19:51] <andylockran> Finally got a home computer back :)
[19:51] <andylockran> Old school Dell Optiplex 980 SFF
[19:51] <andylockran> Got a eSata cable to connect up my old ubuntu SSD coming tomorrow
[19:52] <zmoylan-pi> old school would be a bbc micro connected to irc via a rasp pi :-P
[19:55] <zmoylan-pi> or... would that be vintage now...
[20:07] <Laney> :((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
[20:07] <Laney> got loads of sprouts to peel
[20:07] <Laney> worst kitchen job
[20:33] <zmoylan-pi> see... if you learned morse you could stay on irc AND peel sprouts as you tap out morse by foot... :-)
[20:41] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: I want to run a website off a BBC
[20:42] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: the best retro I can hope for is to hook-up my brother's old AMSTRAD PC1640 with an 8bit ISA network card (if such things exist) to run a site off
[20:43] <diddledan> I've heard of people running Commodore 64 with network thingies
[20:44] <zmoylan-pi> connecting them to internet with network cards with nore cpu than the c64 :-)
[20:45] <diddledan> lol
[20:45] <zmoylan-pi> 8bit network isa cards... i suspect i know were there are a few of those lying about...
[20:46] <zmoylan-pi> co ax though instead of cat 5
[20:46] <diddledan> coax don't count
[20:47] <diddledan> my secondary school had a network using coax
[20:47] <zmoylan-pi> don't diss coax... legen tells of a major computer company in uk that in late 90s had one massive lenght of coax connecting many many computers in their hq without grief
[20:50] <diddledan> so quantum entanglement.. could we conceivably use a group of entangled particles which are distributed around the world at key internet exchanges to remove the large distance + speed of light latency issue between continents, I wonder
[20:51] <zmoylan-pi> only if you can program working thread support in vb.net :-P
[20:52] <diddledan> i.e. London telehouse has one half of the entangled pairs and New York has the other so that when you want to communicate across the atlantic you encode your message onto the London side and then read the message off in New York before putting onto normal optical cables
[20:53] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: I should program a User Interface in Visual Basic to track his IP
[20:53] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU
[20:54] <zmoylan-pi> a moment in tv infamy...
[20:55] <diddledan> I've not seen this one before - it's Xander from Buffy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNLB7bFA_U4
[21:00] <zmoylan-pi> my favourite bit of computer screen interaction on tv will always remain... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYAlB1Kxayc taranshula...
[21:05] <diddledan> that's a classic
[21:05] <zmoylan-pi> it remains beautifully timeless
[21:06] <diddledan> daftykins: what did you say I should do with this WD Greenie that I suspect to be wonky? Write zeroes all over it?
[21:27] <m0nkey_> Question for the Brits... When I come over to the UK, is it still easy to pickup a pre-paid SIM card? Do they still give them out for free? Can I pick one up at Gatwick airport?
[21:28] <popey> pretty sure you can get them most places now
[21:28] <popey> super markets etc
[21:29] <diddledan> I think they're still available everywhere
[21:29] <diddledan> can't say I've looked lately tho
[21:32] <m0nkey_> I got my old Nexus 4 to use while I'm over there
[21:33] <m0nkey_> Otherwise I've got to pay $50 just to get my old Note 4 SIM unlocked
[21:37] <zmoylan-pi> $50 would probably get you a mifi with a sim in tescos... wifi all the way :-)
[21:38] <m0nkey_> That I'll be happy with
[21:38] <m0nkey_> Then I just use my VoIP provider
[21:39] <zmoylan-pi> but a sim on prepay and using data should still be cheaper
[21:40] <zmoylan-pi> but me been a tightfisted git would use an offline map and opera browser as it compresses data
[22:24] <daftykins> diddledan: yeah zero that sucker
[22:24] <daftykins> m0nkey_: how long until you arrive? you can sign up with giffgaff and they post them to Canada so you're ready to rock on landing
[22:27] <m0nkey_> cool
[22:27] <m0nkey_> I'm not coming until August. So got some time to go :)
[22:27] <daftykins> winner
[22:44] <m0nkey_> What?! They charge 2p/min to call Canada from the UK?!
[22:45] <m0nkey_> We are royally ripped off over here
[22:45] <m0nkey_> Costs $1/min to call the UK.
[22:46] <zmoylan-pi> that's so you get the bestest most fantastic service :-P
[22:47] <m0nkey_> A basic plan on a Tier 1 provider will cost $75.
[22:48] <daftykins> once you have an internet connection, why would you still want to pick up a phone?
[22:48] <zmoylan-pi> i'm on tesco prepay in ireland.  i spend €5 every 2-3 months for credit
[22:49] <m0nkey_> daftykins, wont always have an internet connection, plan to go out a lot and it's mostly so we can stay in touch with my family while i'm there
[22:50] <zmoylan-pi> then have them send emails, tweets or whatever and get back the same way on free wifi when you can find it...
[22:50] <daftykins> right so get on wifi in public and use any number of free alternatives, or just accept you have to be home and arrange times to talk to folks
[22:50] <daftykins> acting like the high rates are the only way to do it seems odd
[23:05] <awilkins> Nexus 4 4tw
[23:05] <awilkins> (old? mine is still my daily driver....)
[23:09] <daftykins> with non-stock OS i take it, since it's been abandoned for years :)
[23:12] <m0nkey_> i still like my old N4
[23:13] <zmoylan-pi> it does the job why change it
[23:15] <zmoylan-pi> if ancient phone is good enough for american president... :-P
[23:16] <daftykins> because of many glaring known security vulnerabilities
[23:16] <daftykins> you keep trying to apply old dumbphone preferences and familiarities to a vastly changed market
[23:17] <zmoylan-pi> as long as you don't connect to the internet, don't take calls and epoxy the 5.25" floppy drive... :-P
[23:17] <m0nkey_> What about one of these open firmwares? Anything for the N4?
[23:17] <zmoylan-pi> oh and deffo disable the sms abilities
[23:18] <daftykins> sure, but you'll often have to sacrifice call, touch or camera quality
[23:18] <daftykins> alternative ROMs just don't get the focus stock ones do
[23:18] <m0nkey_> what about that cyanogenmod replacement? .. what was it called?
[23:18] <m0nkey_> line... something
[23:19] <daftykins> it's not a replacement, it's the new name for it since they can't keep calling it cyanogenmod anymore
[23:19] <daftykins> same stuff, new label
[23:20] <zmoylan-pi> lineage os
[23:21] <awilkins> Using Chroma Marshmallow on mine
[23:21] <awilkins> I Lineage-OSed my 2012 Nexus 7
[23:22] <awilkins> It's pretty nice but a bit crashy (unofficial build so I guess the device drivers could be a bit... off)
[23:22] <m0nkey_> What about this Ubuntu Phone, would that work? lol
[23:22] <zmoylan-pi> but it's still better than running it's default os now security wise
[23:23] <awilkins> I think there's an Ubuntu Mobile build (maybe an old one) for Nexus 7 2012
[23:23] <awilkins> Dunno about Nexus 4
[23:23] <m0nkey_> There is a build for N4
[23:23] <awilkins> Reluctant for the same reason I eventually abandoned my N900
[23:23] <awilkins> It's really nice and cool n'all to have a Free Software phone
[23:23] <awilkins> But you just can't get all the apps you want
[23:23] <m0nkey_> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/devices/devices/
[23:24] <m0nkey_> All i need to do is make calls, text and maybe a few emails
[23:25] <awilkins> I use Google Maps, a lot
[23:25] <awilkins> Navigation is the killer phone app for me
[23:25] <zmoylan-pi> i do have a java app to access googlemaps including streetview for dumbphone but i prefer offline map on android tablet.
[23:25] <daftykins> lolbuntu
[23:26] <daftykins> m0nkey_: don't screw with that works before travelling! :D that's always a bad move
[23:26] <zmoylan-pi> ^this
[23:27] <zmoylan-pi> last minute changes follow the 90 90 rule.  the first 90% of the task takes 90% of the time, the last 10% takes the other 90%
[23:28] <daftykins> granted you've got some months, but meh
[23:29] <zmoylan-pi> just more time to spend searching ancient forums for fix to a problem you just installed :-)
[23:29] <zmoylan-pi> finding a forum covering months with the exact problem and then a final 'sorted it' message with no explanation how...
[23:30] <daftykins> i sometimes hop on IRC and see someone has come in with a problem then leaves saying it's sorted, with no answer
[23:33] <zmoylan-pi> i mean sometimes it was understandable.  i remember in the early days of linux you didn't push people who got tv cards working on linux as they often had a look on their faces like they'd stared into the abyss and survived... :-)
[23:34] <m0nkey_> I'll most likely just get my Note4 SIM unlocked before I go.
[23:34]  * awilkins remembers writing kernel patches for his TV card
[23:34]  * awilkins twitches
[23:35] <m0nkey_> But I am totally curious about Ubuntu on the N4
[23:35] <daftykins> weirdos wanting TV anywhere near a PC :D
[23:35] <m0nkey_> I need a Ubuntu machine.
[23:35] <daftykins> you have a very odd definition of 'need', sir
[23:35] <m0nkey_> I had to give my Ubuntu laptop back to the wife and put Windows back on it.
[23:35] <zmoylan-pi> and even better was when they took a working tv card setup and crossed a small puny border and had to start all over again...
[23:36]  * awilkins remembers building custom kernels for his TV card.... on Gentoo
[23:36]  * awilkins twitches
[23:36] <m0nkey_> I remember installing Gentoo 0.1
[23:36] <daftykins> awilkins: it's ok you've reformed from your ricer ways
[23:36] <zmoylan-pi> a usb drive with a live distro on it for linux needs on windows hardware
[23:36] <m0nkey_> that was an absolute bitch
[23:36] <daftykins> right which you can't update the kernel on ;)
[23:36] <awilkins> Gentoo was good for 1 thing - really teaches you shitloads about Unix if you do a Stage 1 install
[23:37] <m0nkey_> Meh, it really didn't do that so much.
[23:37] <zmoylan-pi> and making sure you got your monies worth out of the faster cpu you bought :-P
[23:37] <awilkins> daftykins, I've written kernel patches for Ubuntu too though
[23:37] <m0nkey_> It pretty much taught you how to compile a kernel, everything else was bootstrapped.
[23:37] <m0nkey_> If you want to learn Linux, I recommend Linux from Scratch.
[23:37] <m0nkey_> I did it once.
[23:38] <awilkins> Not sure it was around back then
[23:38] <m0nkey_> Be prepared to spend a few days on that.
[23:38] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: Linux doesn't give you that on a laptop :P
[23:38] <awilkins> I must have spent WEEKS watching compiler scrollback :-)
[23:38] <daftykins> a lovely clean Windows install will do that just fine over a factory mess :>
[23:39] <zmoylan-pi> you could get a rasp pi zero. install linux onto that and then ssh in via your n4 for all your linux needs... 8-)
[23:41] <daftykins> all your very very basic needs
[23:41] <zmoylan-pi> it'll run a full linux distro for variable levels of /run/...
[23:41] <zmoylan-pi> you can even vnc if you want desktop experience...
[23:42] <daftykins> a lovely insecure mess of a protocol :>
[23:42] <zmoylan-pi> no proper hacker would touch vnc... it would make their ocd flare up... :-P
[23:46] <daftykins> what's the protocol behind the default in desktop ubuntu these days?
[23:46] <zmoylan-pi> the default?
[23:47] <daftykins> yeah there's a built in remote desktop feature
[23:47] <zmoylan-pi> rdp?
[23:48] <daftykins> that's MS...
[23:48] <zmoylan-pi> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_Desktop_Protocol#Non-Microsoft_implementations
[23:48] <zmoylan-pi> when i set up my pi many moons ago i think that's what it defaulted to
[23:51] <m0nkey_> xrdp, super handy
[23:52] <zmoylan-pi> i kinda remembered as i used to have problems with rdp on windows and hoped on linux those wouldn't happen
[23:58] <daftykins> worked fine for me for years :)
[23:58] <daftykins> can't count on 100 peoples digits and toes how many folk come in trying to remote to Linux boxes...
[23:58] <daftykins> then some fool tells 'em to run everything plain over VNC, oof