[00:00] <izinucs> Belial`: by dashboard do you mean the icon launcher thingy?
[00:00] <izinucs> Belial`: ccsm = compiz config settings manager
[00:01] <Belial`> the dash is what displays all the apps and let's you search
[00:01] <Belial`> it's the semi transparent black screen
[00:01] <izinucs> Belial`: ah.. still getting use to all the new acronyms
[00:01] <Belial`> when you click the ubuntu logo.
[00:01] <Belial`> yeah, i hear ya.
[00:01] <izinucs> I'd like to make it smaller too
[00:01] <Belial`> took me a minute too.
[00:01] <KM0201> Belial`: i don't know i've never called it a dash, i call it the .. side panel..lol.. but dash works.
[00:02] <Belial`> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/03/resizing-dash-and-properly-collapsing.html
[00:02] <izinucs> Actually it called "Launcher
[00:02] <delac> Belial`: if you still wonder, it's dconf
[00:03] <Belial`> oh thanks, delac
[00:03] <Belial`> that's it
[00:04] <Belial`> delac, the actual package is dconf-tools, correct?
[00:04] <delac> Belial`: I would think so, yes
[00:04] <lucas-arg> izinucs:
[00:04] <delac> Belial`: and the editor is dconf-editor
[00:04] <lucas-arg> izinucs: nope... still have the problem... any ideas where i can look at to find out whats goin on?
[00:05] <izinucs> lucas-arg: probably in one of the logs but which one I've no idea
[00:09] <izinucs> I'm having issues gaining focus on a window that is overlapped by another window that has current focus.  To get focus I have to click on the title bar of the window in the background.  It doesn't work clicking in the body of the window..
[00:10] <lucas-arg> rolling back no nouveau... something wrong with plymouth maybe...
[00:11] <izinucs> *now* I can get focus by clicking in the middle of a window.. weird
[00:12] <Belial`> izinucs, install dconf-tools, then alt+f2 dconf-editor, then go to desktop > unity and over to the right change form-factor from automatic to "desktop"
[00:12] <Belial`> izinucs, that will shrink down the dash
[00:12] <izinucs> cool
[00:13] <izinucs> Belial`: "unable to locate package dconf-editor"
[00:13] <Belial`> dconf-tools
[00:13] <izinucs> DOH! .. sorry 'bout that
[00:13] <Belial`> np
[00:14] <Belial`> and if you want to go fullscreen, it keeps a resize arrow at the bottom right hand side.
[00:14] <Belial`> of the dash board
[00:15] <izinucs> Belial`: ok.. did all that.. and no change.. how do you save the option?
[00:16] <Belial`> you clicked the ubuntu logo in the top left corner and it's still displaying fullscreen?
[00:16] <Belial`> i didn't have to save anything. it works the same way gconf-editor does.
[00:16] <Belial`> it's instant.
[00:16] <izinucs> Belial`: well.. it's the same it's always been.. about 1/2 screen
[00:16] <Belial`> ah, ok...i thought you said it was fullscreen.
[00:16] <Belial`> that's about as small as you're going to get it at this point.
[00:16] <izinucs> Belial`: no.. just trying to make it  smaller still
[00:17]  * izinucs steps away to go back to work..
[00:47] <izinucs> irssi has got to have one of the worst man pages in existance..
[00:48] <KM0201> you might be able to use the cups package.
[00:49] <rww> hence the documentation that the manpage points to.
[00:49] <KM0201> oops
[00:50] <IdleOne> the man page may suck but irssi docs are impressive
[00:50] <izinucs> agreed
[00:50] <IdleOne> I don't even use irssi
[00:51] <izinucs> IdleOne: It's great when you can split a tty or termial horizontally with irssi on one half and cli on the other for diagnostics
[00:51] <IdleOne> izinucs: I prefer a GUI irc client
[00:52] <IdleOne> but I am able to give credit where it is due and irssi has beautiful documentation on their site.
[00:53] <IdleOne> so stop your moaning and read the fabulous docs :P
[00:55] <IdleOne> overlay-scrollbars, how can I restart them?
[00:55] <IdleOne> they seem to go bye bye in xchat when I open the prefs menu
[00:55] <IdleOne> bug already filed
[01:00] <Belial`> was there suppose to be jump list style options in unity's launcher?
[01:00] <Belial`> or was that just addons or a concept?
[01:11] <mwcarroll> how would I downgrade my php version from 5.3.5 to 5.3.4
[01:21] <mwcarroll> er
[01:21] <mwcarroll> 5.3.5 to 5.3.4
[01:22] <mwcarroll> .3*
[01:23] <torchie> argh!
[01:23] <torchie> it seems as if random things just become read only
[01:24] <torchie> and nautilus just decides it can't do jack about it
[01:24] <torchie> suddenly the SD card I insert is a 'read only file system?'
[01:24] <torchie> after I transferred 9 gigs of data to it?
[01:34] <xiambax> I can't get this gnome3 ppa to work
[01:34] <xiambax> Im raging over here
[01:34] <frybye> hi - in evoloution I entered a new account and have had not chance to enter the password for this account cos now evoloution hangs on starting, apparently when trying to access the new account that it has no password for?? any idea??
[01:35] <lucas-arg> xiambax: i did it... dont use it... gnome 3 isnt that great...
[01:35] <lucas-arg> i like unity better
[01:36] <xiambax> I hate unity
[01:39] <BUGabundo> off to bed!
[01:43] <KM0201> xiambax: it just takes getting used to..
[01:44] <xiambax> id rather not get use to a half ass desktop
[01:44] <xiambax> and have a full desktop environment
[01:44] <xiambax> i have a 27 inch monitor. i don't need unity
[01:46] <erichammond> Yay, natty lets me use all 4G memory by default without having to install a different kernel.
[01:53] <KM0201> erichammond: yay...
[01:56] <erichammond> Took me a bit of work to figure out how to get more than four workspaces in unity, but otherwise I'm already productive after a couple hours of use.
[02:06] <torchie> dosfsck reports logical sector size is zero
[02:06] <torchie> am I gonna have to boot into windows to chkdsk this or something
[02:08] <frybye> my question: different approach - is there some way to manually edit a *?*.cfg file or similar to add the pw to a new mail account in evoloution?
[02:10] <tonyyarusso> frybye: No.  Those are stored in encrypted form in the Gnome keyring manager, which is a binary file.
[02:11] <frybye> tonyyarusso: how can I enter a pw for a new mail account when the evoloution freezes before the pw-window comes up??
[02:11] <bin_bash> So I can't load pidgin because libpurple is broken. how can i fix this
[02:12] <KM0201> bin_bash: lol, lib_purple is broken?
[02:12] <bin_bash> yeah
[02:12] <frybye> tonyyarusso: right now I opened it with evoloution --offline - and was able to delete the new account and so get use of the other two existing acocunts - but..?
[02:12] <bin_bash> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:12] <bin_bash>  pidgin : Depends: pidgin-data (< 1:2.7.9-z) but 1:2.7.11-1ubuntu2 is to be installed
[02:12] <bin_bash>           Depends: libpurple0 (>= 1:2.7.0) but it is not going to be installed
[02:12] <bin_bash> E: Broken packages
[02:12] <KM0201> bin_bash: ok..
[02:12] <KM0201> sudo apt-get remove pidgin
[02:13] <tonyyarusso> frybye: You fix whatever is making it freeze.
[02:13] <bin_bash> ok
[02:13] <bin_bash> removed
[02:13] <frybye> tonyyarusso: well it seems to just try and access the new account and gets stuck.. as you notice I dont have all that much background linux knowledge...
[02:13] <KM0201> bin_bash: go here, and follow the instructions to add the pidgin PPA, and then reinstall pidgin...
[02:14] <KM0201> http://pidgin.im/download/ubuntu/
[02:14] <KM0201> bin_bash: you might have to install gdebi, has its not installed by default
[02:14] <tonyyarusso> frybye: It shouldn't "get stuck" - it should fail gracefully.  That's a problem unrelated to your password.  (If you don't have much background, why are you using an unstable pre-release?)
[02:14] <bin_bash> I think I have gdebi
[02:15] <KM0201> ok
[02:15] <frybye> tonyyarusso: there are ways of course to monitor what is going on - I am using natty to learn more...
[02:15] <bin_bash> okay wtf. when i updated today like half my stuff got erased
[02:15] <bin_bash> totem and stuff too
[02:15] <frybye> tonyyarusso: ans cos generally it is ok and cool...
[02:16] <KM0201> i don't know why that would have happened..
[02:16] <tonyyarusso> frybye: Have you searched bug reports for you issue?
[02:16] <tonyyarusso> *your
[02:16] <frybye> tonyyarusso: I am not sure precisely what the problem is - search for a bug report under "evoloution freezes" will not get me far I guess...
[02:16] <bin_bash> i can't find gdebi
[02:17] <bin_bash> but when i try to install it i get this
[02:17] <bin_bash> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[02:17] <bin_bash>   pidgin-data libfltk1.1
[02:17] <bin_bash> Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
[02:17] <bin_bash> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[02:17] <tonyyarusso> frybye: Frankly, you could try just scanning all of the bugs against the evolution package - there probably aren't a huge number.
[02:17] <KM0201> bin_bash: now, sudo apt-get install pidgin
[02:17] <frybye> tonyyarusso: ok - makes sence.. thanks - will give it a try...
[02:17] <bin_bash> no i can
[02:17] <tonyyarusso> Okay, maybe I'm wrong.  1075 bugs :P
[02:17] <bin_bash> t
[02:17] <bin_bash> cant
[02:17] <bin_bash> i cant get gdebi
[02:18] <tonyyarusso> frybye: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution - there's a search field to filter just within those.
[02:28] <RxDx> is there any kind of applet for natty to show the percent of my cpu usage and my network speed in the bar?
[02:28] <freaky[t]> hi all. i get this ubiquity 414 error when trying to install from the latest Beta2 64bit iso can anyone help?
[02:28] <freaky[t]> partman
[02:29] <freaky[t]> wait i need to restart the pc then ill give the error message
[02:29] <bin_bash> KM0201: ugh
[02:29] <KM0201> what now?
[02:29] <bin_bash> had to hard boot
[02:29] <bin_bash> skype froze gnome
[02:29] <bin_bash> okay
[02:29] <bin_bash> PM?
[02:29] <KM0201> yeah, thats fine, hang on
[02:30] <freaky[t]> is there a way to use the alternate installer with the standard desktop cd?
[02:34] <freaky[t]> ok the error i get with ubiquity is: ubi-partman failed with exit code 141
[02:34] <freaky[t]> in the /var/log/syslog it says:
[02:34] <freaky[t]> debconffilter_done:  ubi_partman (current: ubi-partman)
[02:34] <freaky[t]> dbfilter_handle_status: {'ubi-partman', 141}
[02:34] <freaky[t]> can anyone help me?
[02:35] <freaky[t]> there is allready an open bugreport but they say it's fixed but it doesnt seem to be
[02:35] <freaky[t]> also they say the alternate installer works - 1. can i resize partitions with the alternate installer 2. can i run the alternate installer from the ubuntu11.4 beta2 desktop cd (the normal CD)?
[02:39] <KM0201> freaky[t]: the alt. cd and normal cd, are differet.. so the answer to 2, is no.. yes, the alternate installer can resize partition (during the install process)...
[02:40] <freaky[t]> ok thanks ill then download the alternate installer
[02:40] <freaky[t]> cd
[02:42] <anthony_2409> I somehow lost my home folder shortcut on unity... How can I get it back?
[02:42] <Deithrian> Just installed beta 2 Xubuntu and i didn't see the "Pass" window popup for encrypting my home folder?
[02:46] <trism> anthony_2409: open up nautilus, hit ctrl+L and navigate to /usr/share/applications, then drag the Home Folder icon back to the launcher
[02:50] <freaky[t]> KM0201, i allready have ubuntu 11.4 running on my laptop just wanna install it on my desktop pc aswell ;D
[02:50] <KM0201> freaky[t]: ok, so use the alt cd?
[02:50] <freaky[t]> yes im downloading it right now
[02:50] <freaky[t]> will take 30 mins
[02:50] <freaky[t]> i hope it works with the alternate installer cd
[02:51] <KM0201> freaky[t]: if you know how to use the alt. cd.. it will work
[02:51] <freaky[t]> i dont know how to lol
[02:51] <freaky[t]> is there any tutorial i can read while downloading the cd?
[02:55] <KM0201> freaky[t]: the alt. cd is quite a bit different from the live cd, its totally text based
[02:55] <KM0201> why don't you use the live cd on your desktop?
[03:05] <freaky[t]> KM0201, because of the error i posted above
[03:05] <KM0201> freaky[t]: sorry, must have missed it..b een helping like 4 people in PM
[03:06] <freaky[t]> np ;D
[03:12] <freaky[t]> i really like the new gnome
[03:15] <katsrc> So 28th is the big day?
[03:17] <tonyyarusso> yup
[03:37] <freaky[t]> anyone can help me with the alternate installer? i want to resize a partition. i did that but now there is a new unused partition but when i try to use it it only tells me that i can view where it starts and where it stops ... y is that i want to use it for ubuntu?
[03:37] <tonyyarusso> freaky[t]: How many partitions do you have?
[03:37] <tonyyarusso> If you already have 4 primaries that would explain it.
[03:38] <freaky[t]> yes i seem to have 4 primary?
[03:38] <freaky[t]> what to do?
[03:38] <tonyyarusso> Delete one of them and make logical partitions instead.
[03:38] <freaky[t]> damn i cant do that :( i dont know which partition is what
[03:39] <tonyyarusso> Lesson learned:  Document!
[03:41] <freaky[t]> i dont understand y i ahve that many partitions ...
[03:41] <freaky[t]> it only displays me two partitions
[03:41] <freaky[t]> in win7
[03:42] <tonyyarusso> Lots of systems ship with a partition for reinstalling Windows instead of spending the extra buck on CDs.
[03:43] <freaky[t]> yes and what do i have to do now :(
[03:43] <freaky[t]> this means i cant install ubuntu?
[03:44] <tonyyarusso> You can, but you'll need to figure out what partition to delete first.
[03:44] <perscitus> This is all the issues I got with ubuntu 11.04 (http://ubwrong.blogspot.com/2011/04/ubuntu-1104-beta-2.html) and has forced me to switch to Kubuntu since Ubuntu is no longer useable.
[03:50] <freaky[t]> wb KM0201
[03:51] <freaky[t]> tonyyarusso, i think i cant because on D: i have moved all my personal folders like libraries etc. if i remove those windows will have problems :(
[03:53] <KM0201> freaky[t]: yo.. sorry.. testing fedora.. :)
[03:54] <freaky[t]> hi KM0201 i cant install ubuntu i allready have 4 primary partitions
[03:55] <freaky[t]> :(
[03:55] <Belial`> KM0201, how is it?
[03:56] <xiambax> can someone please show me how to get this gnome ppa to work
[03:56] <KM0201> Belial`: its fine... i've used fedora before..
[03:56] <KM0201> freaky[t]: so create an extended partition
[03:56] <Belial`> well, i mean gnome 3 specifically.
[03:57] <KM0201> Belial`: oh, gnome 3.. fedora isn't running gnome 3.
[03:57] <KM0201> its normal old gnome
[03:57] <xiambax> eugh
[03:58] <freaky[t]> KM0201, the partitioner wont let me. if i resize my one primary partition of d: and i select the newly free space it tells me only where it starts and where it ends
[03:58] <KM0201> freaky[t]: hmm.
[03:58] <Belial`> KM0201, are you using the beta?
[03:59] <KM0201> Belial`: hang on just a sec, need to get off this webclient, driving me nuts
[04:00] <KM0201> thats better
[04:00] <KM0201> now Belial`what were you saying?
[04:00] <freaky[t]> KM0201, it's a pitty
[04:00] <KM0201> freaky[t]: whats a pitty?
[04:00] <Belial`> KM0201, fedora 15 beta isn't using gnome 3? or you're using 14?
[04:00] <freaky[t]> KM0201, that i cant install ubuntu
[04:01] <xiambax> It was not possible to authenticate some packages. This may be a transient network problem. You may want to try again later. See below for a list of unauthenticated packages.
[04:02] <xiambax> So what can i do to get this error to go away
[04:02] <xiambax> they are all gnome3 related packages
[04:02] <KM0201> Belial`: sorry, using fedora 14.. just looked.
[04:02] <KM0201> i didn't bother to download the beta
[04:03] <KM0201> or i should say, i didn't notice i didn't download the beta,...lol
[04:03] <KM0201> :)
[04:03] <KM0201> freaky[t]: now.. you should be able to create an extended partition off the free space, and then create logical partitions on the extended partition
[04:04] <freaky[t]> i allready have 4 primary partitions
[04:04] <KM0201> .. i understand that
[04:05] <freaky[t]> the partitioner doesnt show any options i have but displaying where it starts and where it ends
[04:05] <KM0201> freaky[t]: are you on the installer, or on the program Gparted?
[04:06] <freaky[t]> installer
[04:06] <tonyyarusso> KM0201: An extended partition counts as a primary.
[04:06] <KM0201> hmm
[04:07] <KM0201> you'd think there would be a way around that
[04:07] <tonyyarusso> Sure - stop using technology from the 1980s :)
[04:07] <KM0201> lmao
[04:08] <KM0201> freaky[t]: so i guess the other question is, why do you have so many partitions?
[04:08] <tonyyarusso> This is what UEFI and GUID is for.
[04:08] <freaky[t]> i only get displayed two partitions in win7
[04:08] <tonyyarusso> 4 is not that many partitions - I routinely have more tha that.
[04:09] <freaky[t]> KM0201, but i think one partition is for the setup .... for the guys from acer to save money for installation cds
[04:09] <freaky[t]> the only thing i could do is
[04:09] <freaky[t]> move all 200GB to my first partition
[04:09] <freaky[t]> and completely delete D:
[04:09] <KM0201> ..
[04:09] <Scunizi> freaky[t]: if you need more than 4 primary partitions you'll have to delete one and recreate it as an extended partition.. then you can create more partitions within the extended partition..
[04:09] <KM0201> Scunizi: thats what we were just discussing..
[04:09] <freaky[t]> b
[04:09] <freaky[t]> and do what Scunizi  just said
[04:10] <freaky[t]> but i have set all my user data dirs to be in d:
[04:10] <Scunizi> KM0201: ah.. just came back and missed most of it.
[04:10] <freaky[t]> like %appdata% etc.
[04:10] <KM0201> 200gigs... that'll be a big copy/paste..lol
[04:10] <freaky[t]> KM0201,  yes it sucks :(
[04:10] <freaky[t]> at the moment windows is testing my drive d:
[04:10] <freaky[t]> because the size changed
[04:11] <Scunizi> freaky[t]: unless you have another drive you can drop in the machine :)
[04:11] <freaky[t]> it doesnt even show a progress bar
[04:11] <KM0201> thats another good suggestion
[04:11] <freaky[t]> no the machine doesnt have enough cables for another drive
[04:11] <KM0201> freaky[t]: you got an old hard drive you can drop in the system?
[04:11] <KM0201> doesn't have enough cables?
[04:11] <freaky[t]> no power suply cable
[04:11] <freaky[t]> is missing
[04:11] <freaky[t]> for the hdd
[04:12] <freaky[t]> so i cant put 1 more in
[04:12] <Scunizi> freaky[t]: I've got a bazillion.. wish you were closer.. I'd throw one at you.
[04:12] <freaky[t]> ;) thanks
[04:12] <freaky[t]> damnit
[04:12] <KM0201> hmm
[04:12] <Scunizi> freaky[t]: like $3 US for a power "Y" cable
[04:13] <freaky[t]> i think my power suply doesnt have enough watts
[04:13] <freaky[t]> i dont know
[04:13] <freaky[t]> im not that familiar with hardware
[04:13] <KM0201> freaky[t]: what on earth makes you think that?
[04:13] <KM0201> freaky[t]: to be truthful, your power supply probably has enough spots to plug in another drive.
[04:14] <freaky[t]> i have only one s-ata cable but no power suply
[04:14] <freaky[t]> cable
[04:14] <freaky[t]> sorry im not english lol
[04:14] <KM0201> hmm, i dunno... something is snot adding up
[04:15] <freaky[t]> what?
[04:15] <Logan_> KM0201: snot?
[04:15] <KM0201> *typo for "is not".. :)
[04:15] <Logan_> :P
[04:16] <freaky[t]> no i mean, what is not adding up
[04:16] <freaky[t]> i think ill just keep it as is because copying all that stuff to the other partition will take ages
[04:17] <freaky[t]> thank you for all your help
[04:18] <zinadork> Does Natty support Synaptics Clickpads?  Maverick did not.
[04:19] <zinadork> It was a major pain having to use workaround patches that didn't allow me to fully utilize my system
[04:20] <zinadork> is anyone alive in here?
[04:21] <Logan_> !anyone | zinadork
[04:21] <Logan_> oops
[04:21] <Logan_> !please | zinadork
[04:23] <zinadork> Ubottu:  That being said, do you have have any input on the subject of Synaptic Clickpad support?
[04:26] <KM0201> !touchpad
[04:26] <KM0201> !thankyou
[04:27] <zinadork> Very friendly and no attitude at all!
[04:28] <zinadork> The link refers to touchpads, which are different.  My problem is that I don't have a right click button and standard touchpad drivers don't work.
[04:29] <zinadork> Clickpads are standard on many HP laptops and netbooks and Maverick did not support them properly.
[04:30] <bin_bash> What do you mean by a clickpad?
[04:31] <xiambax> installing gnome3. wish me luck
[04:31] <zinadork> http://www.synaptics.com/solutions/products/clickpad
[04:32]  * KM0201 will break out his gnome3 voodoo cure... don't do it man!
[04:32] <bin_bash> zinadork: I use one on my macbook pro
[04:33] <xiambax> nope. doin it
[04:33] <bin_bash> works just fine
[04:33] <KM0201> xiambax: may the force be with you.. i thought it was awful, then when i tried to remove it, it made a mess
[04:33] <KM0201> ended up reinstalling
[04:33] <zinadork> I'm running natty on a live disk and can't right click
[04:33] <xiambax> yeah it says its not downgradable.
[04:33] <zinadork> or click and drag
[04:34] <xiambax> its a spare box i have
[04:34] <xiambax> if it breaks i still have my imac
[04:34] <xiambax> no biggie
[04:34] <KM0201> xiambax: why don't you just download a gnome3 live cd?.. they're based on opensuse i think
[04:34] <xiambax> no blank cds
[04:34] <xiambax> no usb key
[04:35] <KM0201> ok..
[04:35] <KM0201> hmm, ok
[04:36] <zinadork> I also can't turn off the clickpad by using the sensor on the top left corner of the clickpad
[04:36] <bin_bash> zinadork: are you using unity or classic
[04:37] <zinadork> unity
[04:37] <zinadork> I also use maverick and it doesn't work there either
[04:37] <bin_bash> okay search for "sys" system preferences will come up
[04:37] <bin_bash> then click on mouse
[04:37] <bin_bash> then go to touchpad
[04:37] <bin_bash> then you can select "two-finger click"
[04:37] <zinadork> I did use a workaround patch, but it was not fully functional
[04:38] <zinadork> I was able to get right clicking working with a hack, but never click and drag and the on off switch
[04:38] <zinadork> in Maverick
[04:41] <zinadork> Your recommended settings changes do allow proper scrolling
[04:41] <zinadork> not click and drag
[04:43] <zinadork> I have a chrome OS cr 48 and it is Linux based and has a clickpad that works properly
[04:44] <freaky[t]> KM0201, ok im currently copying all my files from d: to c:
[04:44] <KM0201> freaky[t]: ok, get back to us next week when you're ready to insta... :)
[04:44] <freaky[t]> KM0201, after that ill delete partition D: and make 2 extended partitions on there
[04:44] <freaky[t]> KM0201, im only copying the music directory which is 30gig
[04:45] <freaky[t]> i delete all movies etc.
[04:45] <freaky[t]> so only 5 minutes left
[04:45] <KM0201> oh well thats not to bad
[04:45] <freaky[t]> yes
[04:45] <freaky[t]> i simply took a shower
[04:45] <freaky[t]> and did some other stuff
[04:45] <freaky[t]> ;D
[04:57] <aboSamoor> hi
[04:57] <aboSamoor> can someone help me getting my system bootable again ? I have chunk descriptor error in my grub, grub 2, root file system btrfs.
[04:58] <freaky[t]> KM0201, ok it worked it's installing :D
[04:58] <KM0201> freaky[t]: great
[04:58] <aboSamoor> this is the more relevant bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/732149?comments=all
[05:03] <KM0201> freaky[t]: are you installing 11.04?
[05:07] <freaky[t]> KM0201, yea
[05:07] <KM0201> ok
[05:07] <freaky[t]> beta2
[05:14] <zinadork> It would be great if Ubuntu would support the synaptics clickpad
[05:14] <zinadork> http://www.zdnet.co.uk/blogs/jamies-mostly-linux-stuff-10006480/a-tale-of-the-synaptics-clickpad-10021421/
[05:23] <hifi> zinadork: did you try xorg-edgers?
[05:24] <hifi> ubuntu will eventually support everything upstream does
[05:24] <zinadork> hifi: I did not
[05:24] <hifi> xorg-edgers is the very latest PPA of the Xorg stack, including the synaptics driver
[05:24] <zinadork> I believe that opensuse supports it
[05:25] <hifi> it might be unstable at times but overall it has worked fairly well for me
[05:25] <zinadork> did you have the same issue?
[05:25] <hifi> nope, too broke to own a Lenovo
[05:25] <aboSamoor> can someone help me with grub2 ?
[05:25] <zinadork> I have an HP DV6
[05:26] <zinadork> it wasn't expensive
[05:26] <zinadork> I think clickpads are standard on HP's
[05:26] <hifi> I overall despise touchpads so I wouldn't buy a HP :)
[05:26] <freaky[t]> i got another question. i've deleted my d: partition now and created 2 new partitions out of it. now i didnt have the possiblity to set one of these partitions to ntfs ... how do i make windows see this partition or, how do i format it with ntfs and make windows see it as drive d:?
[05:27]  * hifi is a trackpoint fan
[05:27] <zinadork> I made the mistake of buying on ebay without seeing a unit in person
[05:27] <zinadork> I otherwise like it
[05:27] <hifi> zinadork: but anyway, if you're comfortable with testing the xorg-edgers ppa, it might provide you with the necessary functionality
[05:28] <nit-wit> aboSamoor, can you run this script and pastebin it, with a description of whats going on. http://bootinfoscript.sourceforge.net/
[05:28] <zinadork> Does the ppa work in natty and maverick?
[05:28] <hifi> yes
[05:28] <zinadork> I'll try that thanks
[05:28] <aboSamoor> nit-wit: I am runngin a liveCD and using chroot, I will run it under the chroot environment
[05:29] <zinadork> I think they have the ppa in ubuntutweak
[05:29] <hifi> zinadork: I suggest using natty, the maverick packages are old
[05:29] <hifi> seems they follow the latest ubuntu development version currently only
[05:29] <nit-wit> aboSamoor, you don't need to run it in chroot, not sur I would to be honest read the instructions
[05:30] <nit-wit> aboSamoor, do you have the grub2 wiki link
[05:31] <aboSamoor> nit-wit: I read many tutorials and I got stuck with this error "grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /boot/grub (is /dev mounted?)."
[05:33] <nit-wit> aboSamoor, are you sure you need to chroot in is it just the mbr that needs loaded
[05:33] <hifi> zinadork: be prepared to revert the ppa if you end up with a broken xorg
[05:33] <zinadork> I am going to run it on a live usb before I install in on my unit.
[05:34] <aboSamoor> nit-wit: not sure, what happens is the following that updating some packages makes the system unbootable and grub gives chunk descriptor error, so I use LiveCD to probe the problem, sometime things get fixed without some clear way, this time I am out of luck
[05:35] <nit-wit> aboSamoor, any other installson the hd besides natty
[05:35] <aboSamoor> nit-wit: there is ubuntu 10.10
[05:36] <aboSamoor> nit-wit: natty is on btrfs
[05:36] <aboSamoor> nit-wit: I can not chroot to the 10.10 because the LiveCD is 64 bit and the 10.10 is 32 bit
[05:37] <perscitus> Unity in Ubuntu 11.04 is what was KDE4 is to KDE developers. It will be a nightmare and downfall of Ubuntu. Forunately, KDE4 is improving so maybe Unity will improve in few releases.
[05:38] <rww> KDE4.0 wasn't the downfall of KDE, so... *shrug*
[05:38] <perscitus> Gnome3 is the same thing.  I do see a lot of neat in that.
[05:51] <arand> *using
[05:52] <perscitus> it did away with traditional app menu
[05:52] <perscitus> Unity doesnt have any  way to access installed apps anymore. No way to find them really anymore.
[05:53] <arand> Searching is the way to go, it seems
[05:53] <perscitus> i dont search for apps
[05:53] <perscitus>  Nor will i ever
[05:54] <perscitus> Nor do average consumers (not geeks and pc junkies)
[05:54] <perscitus> even Google knows this.
[05:54] <perscitus> with Android.
[05:55] <perscitus> Sorry to say but searching for apps is out.
[05:55] <perscitus> It's point and click or touch and open.
[05:55] <dooglus> is it possible to get grub to default to an old kernel version?
[05:56] <arand> The application button in the unity interface should possibly be at the top of the stack and have a better icon representation, yes. But it's far from something that is broken beyond.
[05:58] <arand> dooglus: I'm not sure how it works out with the submenu nowadays, can you set the default entry by title maybe?
[05:58] <dooglus> I tried, but it didnt work
[05:59] <dooglus> I tried setting it to 'saved' too, but also didn't work
[05:59] <freaky[t]> i got another question. i've deleted my d: partition now and created 2 new partitions out of it. now i didnt have the possiblity to set one of these partitions to ntfs ... how do i make windows see this partition or, how do i format it with ntfs and make windows see it as drive d:?
[05:59] <dooglus> in /etc/default/grub I have:
[05:59] <dooglus> GRUB_DEFAULT='Ubuntu, with Linux 2.6.37-12-generic-pae'
[05:59] <arand> Alternatively, copy out the old entry and add it as an extra one in the top menu using /etc/grub.d/40_custom
[05:59] <dooglus> and I ran sudo update-grub, but it still boots the new, broken kernel
[06:00] <dooglus> ok
[06:00] <dooglus> will try that.  thanks
[06:01] <arand> I wonder if the submenu is grub or ubuntu's idea..
[06:01] <dooglus> me too
[06:02] <dooglus> will reboot now and let you know how it went
[06:03] <ubuntuguy> How can I add global menu support in ubuntu for a application?
[06:04] <perscitus> arand,  Application button sucks though.
[06:04] <perscitus> arand, Its not neatly categorized and it uses that hidous large window.
[06:07] <ubuntuguy> How can I add global menu support in ubuntu for a application?
[06:07] <dooglus> arand: the 40_custom thing did the trick.  thanks!
[06:08] <dooglus> arand: I don't suppose you have any idea why the 2.6.38 kernels all hang when I try to copy large videos from my camera's SD card?
[06:08] <dooglus> or if I try to transfer large files over the LAN cable
[06:08] <dooglus> seems they hang if I do "lots of stuff fast"
[06:08] <arand> Not a clue I'm afraid.
[06:09] <dooglus> it's not a problem hang, 'cos sysreq-e unhangs it
[06:09] <step21> ubuntuguy: really depends on the application. if it's a gnome app no changes necessary afaik
[06:09] <bullgard4> Why does not exist the process ssh-agent although the file /usr/bin/ssh-agent exists?
[06:09] <dooglus> at the expense of killing all the processes, and taking down my network connection in a way that I don't know how to fix without a reboot...
[06:09] <ubuntuguy> It's Kompozer
[06:11] <step21> ubuntuguy: that could be more difficult ... but can't help you there. did you google it?
[06:11] <ubuntuguy> Nope, not yet
[06:12] <tonyyarusso> KompoZer has a proper .desktop file that worked for the old menu system, whatever that's worth...
[06:12] <step21> ubuntuguy: do that, then ask again
[06:12] <tonyyarusso> step21: Do you know more of the details of what it takes?
[06:13] <tonyyarusso> ubuntuguy: what exactly do you even mean by "global menu"?
[06:13] <step21> tonyyarusso: yeah, but that just created the menu entry. the global menu of unity doesn't have anything to do with that
[06:13] <step21> (if i understood him correctly)
[06:13] <tonyyarusso> step21: what's it built from?
[06:13] <step21> no idea
[06:14] <ubuntuguy> To confirm, you could build your own website with kompozer right, it's asite builder like yahoo sitebuilder?
[06:14] <tonyyarusso> oh, nvm, that thing.  hrm
[06:15] <tonyyarusso> ubuntuguy: yes.
[06:15] <ubuntuguy> COol, thanks
[06:16] <perscitus> Ubuntu 11.04 use of global menu system sucks
[06:16] <step21> perscitus: i kind of like it... use classic if you don't
[06:16] <tonyyarusso> ubuntuguy: If it helps, KompoZer is an XUL app, like Firefox, so whatever patches were necessary for Firefox are likely similar.
[06:17] <perscitus> step21,  but it only appears on mouseover. annoying and irritating.
[06:17] <ubuntuguy> I wish they added like the "FIle, Edit" into the panel like they did firefox etc
[06:17] <ubuntuguy> That was what I meant
[06:17] <step21> perscitus: I never reallz noticed ...
[06:18] <perscitus> step21,  im switching to kubuntu.
[06:19] <ubuntuguy> Which would you say is better, kompozer or yahoo site builder?
[06:20] <perscitus> gedit is the best.
[06:20] <perscitus> for websites
[06:20] <ubuntuguy> gedit?
[06:20] <tonyyarusso> agreed :P
[06:20] <ubuntuguy> Do I needto know html?
[06:21] <tonyyarusso> The real question is why you're building a static web site at all, instead of using a CMS.   These procedures can be manual or computer-based.
[06:22] <perscitus> Joomla is a CMS
[06:23] <ubuntuguy> SOunds techy
[06:23] <perscitus> tonyyarusso,  The problem with CMS is does it integrate well with Wordpress  visually?
[06:23] <tonyyarusso> Congratulations, you've learned that running a web site involves technology.
[06:24] <tonyyarusso> perscitus: Uh, what?
[06:24] <rww> Wordpress is a CMS, isn't it?
[06:24] <tonyyarusso> WordPress is a CMS....
[06:24] <tonyyarusso> rww: yes
[06:24] <rww> yay, i am smart.
[06:24] <perscitus> Wordpress isnt CMS
[06:24] <bullgard4> Why does not exist the process ssh-agent although the file /usr/bin/ssh-agent exists?
[06:24] <tonyyarusso> Yes, yes it is.
[06:24] <perscitus> actually its not
[06:25] <tonyyarusso> Not a particularly flexible one, but yes it is.
[06:25] <perscitus> Wordpress is a blogging platform that is often customized into cms platform.
[06:25] <step21> lol
[06:25] <tonyyarusso> Blogging is content.  Thus, content management.
[06:25] <step21> perscitus: blogging platforms are cms'
[06:25] <step21> by definition
[06:25] <perscitus> WordPress is an open source blog tool and publishing platform powered by PHP and MySQL. It's often customized into a Content Management System (CMS)[4]. It has many features including a plug-in architecture and a template system. WordPress is used by over 13% of the 1,000,000 biggest websites.[5]
[06:26] <tonyyarusso> Yeah, we don't care what your copypasta quote says.  It's still a CMS.
[06:26] <perscitus> your wrong
[06:26] <tonyyarusso> No.
[06:26] <perscitus> yes
[06:26] <tonyyarusso> For starters, I know the difference between "your" and "you're".
[06:26] <perscitus> and i got links to back it up so you are double wrong
[06:26] <ubuntuguy> SOoo..kompozer or yahoo sitebuilder?
[06:27]  * tonyyarusso giggles at the silly user
[06:27] <tonyyarusso> ubuntuguy: KompoZer.  Yahoo is non-free.
[06:27] <rww> ubuntuguy: konpozer
[06:27] <ubuntuguy> :D
[06:27] <ubuntuguy> When I publish my site
[06:27] <perscitus> Google Pages
[06:27] <ubuntuguy> what wold the url be?
[06:27] <tonyyarusso> Also, it makes me feel validated when you use KompoZer.  :P
[06:27] <tonyyarusso> ubuntuguy: uh, whatever you bought?
[06:27] <ubuntuguy> COol
[06:27] <ubuntuguy> and I could useany web host?
[06:27] <perscitus> ubuntuguy,  dont forget Google Pages
[06:27] <ubuntuguy> any*
[06:28] <tonyyarusso> Of course.
[06:28] <ubuntuguy> I could use any web host including a google host
[06:28] <ubuntuguy> col
[06:28] <ubuntuguy> thanks
[06:28] <ubuntuguy> cool*
[06:28] <ubuntuguy> <3 you guys
[06:28] <ubuntuguy> Awesome community
[06:28] <perscitus> Blogging Platform is not CMS
[06:28] <rwhittle> my p7h55-m usb ports don't power on after about 2-3 minutes after gdm is loaded with no error message its definitely a kernel hiccup
[06:29] <ubuntuguy> And google pages sucks, hate it
[06:29] <perscitus> ubuntuguy,  I know its sucks.
[06:30] <perscitus> ubuntuguy,  its google sites now actually
[06:30] <tonyyarusso> Oh look, WordPress is listed.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_content_management_systems
[06:30] <ubuntuguy> You can only use templates
[06:30] <ubuntuguy> ...
[06:30] <ubuntuguy> unless you could code
[06:30] <rww> tonyyarusso, perscitus: Take the nerdfight to #ubuntu-offtopic plz :(
[06:31] <tonyyarusso> mmk
[06:45] <freaky[t]> what do i do if the ati driver i can install with that additional drivers thing ... is jumpy? i imean, it seems to "framelag" ... what can I do? i tried installing the one from the ati website but that one gives error on building kernel module or whatever it does ... (sorry got german version) ... can anyone help me please?
[06:46] <tonyyarusso> You can revert to the free driver.
[06:46] <freaky[t]> that one does display in low resolution
[06:46] <freaky[t]> the one who was installed by the alternate installer CD
[06:47] <perscitus> free ati  or nvidia driver sucks
[06:47] <freaky[t]> damn so i have no chance of installing any good driver?
[06:47] <tonyyarusso> Try googling your card model
[06:48] <phibxr> did they change the notifier on the ubuntu-button to a small blue triangle in the upper left corner?
[06:48] <phibxr> instead of filling the ubuntu-symbol with blue.
[06:48] <rww> free ati driver works fine for me.
[06:49] <rww> fglrx does not, as I believe I have emoted in the past (:
[06:50] <tonyyarusso> fglrx is necessary for me to get sound over HDMI, but for everything else I use the free one.
[06:50] <torchie> hmm
[06:50] <torchie> do system76 machines have hdmi out
[06:51]  * torchie internet
[06:52] <tonyyarusso> torchie: Yes.
[06:52] <tonyyarusso> At least some of them.
[06:52]  * tonyyarusso is on a Pangolin
[06:52] <torchie> ive wondered
[06:52] <torchie> are they rebrands of other machines
[06:53] <freaky[t]> i got a radeon HD 5850
[06:53] <freaky[t]> it says it is supported but i get a laggy screen when using that driver i get in the additional drivers thing
[06:54] <perscitus> I only use drivers the manufacturer themselves produced.
[06:54] <tonyyarusso> torchie: They're built from custom-cobbled bits from wholesalers, just like other consumer brands.
[06:54] <freaky[t]> i cant it fails on kernel module .deb install
[06:55] <perscitus> no.
[06:55] <phibxr> how can you change the screen brightness in unity if your laptop doesn't have working brightness keys?
[06:55] <perscitus> System76 are Barebones systems with addons and Ubuntu
[06:55] <freaky[t]> it does for me :(
[06:56]  * perscitus is running Windows 7
[06:58] <eagles0513875> morning all
[07:00] <drzaius12> Would anybody here know if it is possible to install a 2.6.35 version kernel in Natty/11.04? Or how to install the ralink 2870 drivers under 2.6.38?
[07:00] <bullgard4> Why does not exist the process ssh-agent although the file /usr/bin/ssh-agent exists?
[07:00] <rww> bullgard4: What version of Ubuntu are you using?
[07:01] <bullgard4> rww: Natty
[07:01] <rww> bullgard4: Don't ask support questions in #ubuntu then.
[07:01] <aboSamoor> hi all. I am trying to update the packages on natty and I get this, http://paste.ubuntu.com/596405/ now, I can not boot my system anymore
[07:01] <bullgard4> rww: This is #ubuntu+1, is it not?
[07:02] <rww> bullgard4: I'm aware of what channel we're in.
[07:02] <HTCPX> is there anyway to move the unity bar to the bottom?
[07:03] <bullgard4> rww: Why are forbidding me to ask a support question in #ubuntu if I have a question concerning Ubuntu Lucid?
[07:03] <perscitus> HTCPX,  no. mark shuttleworth says no
[07:03] <freaky[t]> so can nobody help me with my ati driver problem? :( that means i cant install any driver :((
[07:04] <freaky[t]> and so cant have any good resolution
[07:04] <rww> bullgard4: You've asked the same question in here and #ubuntu+1. Would you like me to tell you not to misuse one of those channels, or tell you not to crosspost? Either way, stop doing that.
[07:05] <bullgard4> rww: I have two different questions. One concerns Ubuntu Lucid and one concerns Natty.
[07:05] <rww> 05:48:34 < bullgard4:#ubuntu> Why does not exist the process ssh-agent although the file /usr/bin/ssh-agent exists?
[07:05] <rww> 06:00:36 < bullgard4:#ubuntu+1> Why does not exist the process ssh-agent although the file /usr/bin/ssh-agent exists?
[07:07] <xiambax> just installed gnome3
[07:07] <xiambax> rebooting
[07:07] <xiambax> wish me luck
[07:07] <rww> xiambax: good luck!
[07:07] <perscitus> xiambax,  no compiz for you then
[07:07] <xiambax> meh
[07:08] <perscitus> i will say gnome3 is more useful then unity is
[07:08] <xiambax> unable to load session ubuntu?
[07:09] <xiambax> ah
[07:09] <xiambax> needed to change to gnome-shell desktop
[07:10] <drzaius12> If I updated from 10.10 to 11.04b1 through update manager, will I be at b2 with a normal update or do I need to use -d option?
[07:10] <rww> drzaius12: you'll be at b2 (and eventually final) with a normal update
[07:10] <drzaius12> rww: thanks
[07:12] <HTCPX> perscitus; thanks
[07:12] <drzaius12> Is it possible to use normal Unity (not 2d) with nouveau drivers
[07:13] <aboSamoor> I think this is packaging dependency mistake, can anyone help me ?
[07:13] <xiambax> how do i change settings in gnome3
[07:13] <xiambax> appearance wise?
[07:14] <rww> xiambax: install gnome-tweak-tool
[07:14] <bazhang> xiambax, from the unsupported PPA?
[07:15] <rww> xiambax: and if your theme looks crappy, remove gnome-accessibility-themes (I think that's the package name) and install gnome-themes from the PPA
[07:16] <drzaius12> Is it possible to install a different kernel in Natty/Ubuntu? I have done so in other distros, but I am new to Ubuntu.
[07:17] <xiambax> which ppa?
[07:22] <aboSamoor> can someone help me with this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/766417 ?
[07:36] <aboSamoor> I am trying to downgrade, but can not see other version alternatives !
[07:37] <naknomik> Has anyone tested 11,04 in Parallels on Mac with Unity UI?
[07:38] <naknomik> I can't get it to work, it defaults to classic
[07:42] <drzaius12> And I had to choose it from GDM.
[07:43] <wzssyqa> naknomik: You should install graphic driver
[07:44] <naknomik> wzssyqa: which graphic driver?
[07:44] <wzssyqa> naknomik: ATi or Nvidia
[07:46] <naknomik> wzssyqa: you're confused I'm running this under Parallels on OS X on a Mac
[07:47] <freaky[t]> i cant seem to get a working display driver ... i think ill just not use ubuntu then :( because working with high resolution or lagging screen sucks
[07:48] <eagles0513875> yofel_: things have only gotten worse there were xorg updates and a bunch more that have broken x for me :(
[07:50] <zolw> naknomik:Not knowing much myself, but you need a 3d enabled graphics card and reading http://kb.parallels.com/en/4962 makes me think parallel doesn't support it on mac yet
[07:51] <naknomik> zolw: way off base… that's very very old. I'm on Parallels version 6
[07:53] <zolw> naknomik: ah sorry never used parallel so I didn't notice the version
[07:53]  * perscitus putting gnome3 on flash drive
[07:55] <naknomik> parallels tools don't compile under the Guest OS (Ubuntu 11.04) I get error while compiling a module: prltg.c error: unknown field 'ioctl' specified in initializer
[08:01] <th^^> meh, removed pulseaudio and now not getting any sound
[08:01] <th^^> how the ffff i can remove that crap propely
[08:05] <th^^> can i disable pulseaudio somehow without removing it?
[08:47] <bullgard4> What command-line command determines the currently used desktop environment?
[08:51] <nijabo> How safe is it to move from 10.10 to 11.04 through an upgrade?
[08:54] <bullgard4> nijabo: It is fairly safe. But you may have a lot of work.
[08:55] <nijabo> It takes a lot of work to do the update?
[08:56] <babbio> Hi guys I have a little problem...in my pc I have two network card, one ethernet and one wireless, I use the wireless one to connect over the internet instead the ethernet card is for connect to a router that is connected to a network printer...now the problem is that if I connect ONLY with the ethernet card I can print correctly, if I connect ONLY with the wireless card I can correctly connect to internet but if I connect t
[08:56] <babbio> o both at the same time I can't neither browse internet nor print with my printer....is there a way I can do both without continuosly switch between ethernet and wireless?? thank you
[08:56] <bullgard4> nijabo: This would be not only an update but an upgrade. I had to download packages again and again. May be in Beta 2 the situation has improved.
[08:58] <perscitus> Gnome3 shell is better then Unity in terms of usability
[09:16] <trijntje_natty> Hi all, I wanted to change some settings for compiz and now I cant move windows around
[09:16] <trijntje_natty> They do have a border, but I cant drag them around. Any idea which plugin I should enable to get it working again?
[09:17] <trijntje_natty> compiz
[09:23] <autoplectic> hi, i'm having a weird issue compiling a copy of python on xubuntu natty beta 2
[09:23] <autoplectic> would this be the right place for that?
[09:24] <perscitus> Gnome3 shell is better then Unity in terms of usability
[09:25] <jo-erlend> perscitus, fantastic. What did you do?
[09:25] <perscitus> what
[09:26] <susundberg> autoplectic: probably problem is with python package or you missing some libraries, please post the error
[09:26] <perscitus> Unity is really bad shell
[09:26] <perscitus> its half backed.
[09:26] <perscitus> baked
[09:27] <jo-erlend> perscitus, you keep saying that gnome-shell is better than unity in terms of usability. I'm sure you're trying to help in some way, but then you should say what you did that make it better.
[09:29] <perscitus> jo-erlend, uh im decided which distro to use for next release. I know i hate unity so its out of the question
[09:29] <autoplectic> when python attempts to compile its extension modules, for example zlib, it looks for libz.so in all the usual places.  the zlib1g-dev installs libz.so.<IP_ADDRESS> and symlinks libz.so.1 to it, but doesn't create a libz.so symlink.
[09:30] <jo-erlend> perscitus, ... what is it you're trying to achieve?
[09:30] <autoplectic> i'm fairly new to debian/ubuntu, coming from fedora.  on fedora, they do create a libz.so symlink
[09:30] <susundberg> autoplectic: i have /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libz.so that is symlink
[09:31] <mateobur> Hello, I was using 11.04 cyphered dirs, I'm trying to recover my home directory, I have followed a manual
[09:31] <susundberg> autoplectic: mayby python is just looking from wrong directory?
[09:31] <mateobur> it says INFO: The passphrase is correct, but only see a lot of cyphered content
[09:31] <mateobur> in my home dir
[09:32] <autoplectic> ah, hm, it is in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu.  but there isn't one in /lib or /lib/i386-linux-gnu
[09:32] <susundberg> yeah ubuntu decided to change that somehow if i remember correctly
[09:32] <susundberg> (ubuntu == dev team or similar)
[09:33] <autoplectic> i used apt-get source python2.7 and looked at the diff file that was provided for the .deb build, i must have missed where they added in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu to the library directories list
[09:34] <andycc> Hello, I just downloaded the Natty beta and I'm trying to install it. Thing is, I use a multi-partition setup (one for /, one for /home) but Ubiquity outright refuses to give me any options, it just proceeds with installing without saying anything or showing a progress bar. Does anyone have this issue too?
[09:34] <susundberg> .. oh i cannot find that post with reasoning anymore, but there were good reasons, i guess ..
[09:34] <dios_mio> hey guys.. I installed beta 2 but my task bar appears messed up
[09:35] <autoplectic> susundberg: thank you, i think i can get it to build now
[09:35] <susundberg> (and /lib/XXX-linux-gnu is afaik for system libraries, not user space libraries like libz)
[09:36] <susundberg> autoplectic: nice! happy coding!
[09:38] <dios_mio> my unity taskbar appears messed up... my video card not enough?
[09:39] <zolw> dios_mio: whats it doing?
[09:39] <dios_mio> zolw, its graphics is broken
[09:41] <dios_mio> should i reinstall beta 2?
[09:41] <andycc> Oh, nevermind, restarting the LiveUSB fixed it. ^^
[09:42] <zolw> dios_mio: is it alright in classic?
[09:42] <Ergo^> hello, im running 11.04 beta - and ive noticed "weird" behavior when it comes to wireless [Ralink RT2870] - when i ping my router sometimes ping is few ms but there are moments when i get 1500ms ping to router etc. i did not observed it  in 10.04
[09:43] <dios_mio> zolw, well I can t really change anything because I cant see what the icons are.. they appear messed up
[09:45] <zolw> dios_mio: is that the icons in the launcher along the left?
[09:47] <Ergo^> http://paste2.org/p/1373591 - this is how my ping looks like, and sometimes i got network disconnects ~2 times a day - it never happend in 10.04
[09:48] <dios_mio> zolw, well the bar on the left as well as the bar on top.. it is all messed up.. only desktop is ok..
[09:51] <zolw> dios_mio: try in terminal "unity --reset" and "unity --reset-icons"?
[09:51] <dios_mio> zolw, ok i will try
[10:00] <jo-erlend> I wonder how left-handed people like Unity. It's very nice for right-handed people, but if you use the left hand for the mouse, then it might be cumbersome, I think.
[10:04] <zolw> in what way cumbersome?
[10:06] <jo-erlend> zolw, well, it's very dominated by super-num, super-w, super-s, super-t, etc. Those work very well with the left hand, but if that hand is busy with the mouse, it's less comfortable ... I'd imagine.
[10:08] <zolw> fair point. thats more a keyboard design floor though tbh - should have one both sides!
[10:08] <xskydevilx>  Is there a way to restore the Nautilus file manager to the original (default) state?
[10:14] <zolw> xskydevilx: something like this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=878606
[10:18] <xskydevilx> zolw: No, I was thinking is there a way to revert it back to the defaults because I had some toolbars, buttons and all changed and I want it back to the defaults.
[10:21] <zolw> xskydevilx: hmm not sure then sorry
[10:22] <jo-erlend> xskydevilx, you can always create a new account and copy Nautilus' settings?
[11:04] <step21> argh, 106 updates
[11:05] <bazhang> my local mirror seems to be down for natty
[11:08] <nijabo> Anyone had a problem that Natty can't find your wireless network?
[11:08] <susundberg> i have problem that wireless is working very badly, but it works
[11:08] <susundberg> i mean dropping at time to time
[11:09] <bazhang> nijabo, yes
[11:09] <nijabo> Hmm, I have the problem that I am unable to actually find the network. The neighbors networks is fine but I can't seem to find my own. No problem in Ubuntu 10.10
[11:09] <bazhang> I hardware disable the wifi then try find hidden network and it reconnects however
[11:09] <nijabo> Hopefully that'll be fixed for the final release (which is in 8 days right?)
[11:09] <susundberg> This is what i have tagged as bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/423010
[11:10] <bazhang> well then re-enable, obviously
[11:10] <nijabo> Yah gottya ;)
[11:12] <bazhang> same exact issue with you though, drops my own hidden network, but neighbors shows up fine til I take those steps. intel 3945
[11:37] <Gurke__> hello
[11:37] <bazhang> Gurke__, hello
[11:37] <Gurke__> i want ask if i install ubuntu beta 2 now ! and upgrade on 28.th.
[11:37] <Gurke__> is it fully final ?? or are there rests of beta
[11:37] <Gurke__> 2
[11:37] <bazhang> yes
[11:37] <Gurke__> ok thanks ... :)
[11:37] <bazhang> !final | Gurke__
[11:38] <Gurke__> seeyou then
[12:01] <fuzzybunny69y> hey everyone how do you disable unity lenses?
[12:02] <fuzzybunny69y> I use the keyboard to navigate my workspaces so I don't need the lens
[12:04] <fuzzybunny69y> and also what are you supposed to do for programs like workrave and skype-call-recorder that require the system tray. It is kind of annoying having all these programs startup or give error messages because there is no system tray
[12:04] <fuzzybunny69y> I am getting kinda used to unity though ;)
[12:11] <nijabo> I wish I could get used to Unity :(
[12:12] <nijabo> Can one upgrade from 10.10 to the latest 11.04 release?
[12:14] <yofel_> !upgrade
[12:14] <nijabo> Thanks yofel :)
[12:15] <yofel> nijabo: hm, doesn't tell what I hoped.. run 'gksudo update-manager -d'
[12:15] <nijabo> Ah
[12:15] <nijabo> gksudo? I usually run sudo only. What's gksudo?
[12:16] <yofel> sudo for gtk
[12:16] <nijabo> Sweet
[12:16] <nijabo> Running now, hope it'll work
[12:17] <nijabo> Didn't work did Alt+F2 then ran 'update-manager -d'
[12:48] <mvo> nijabo: no upgrade prompt for you then?
[12:49] <nijabo> promt?
[12:49] <nijabo> I'm upgrading as we speak
[12:49] <nijabo> around 1 and ½ hours left
[13:13] <adrian_kx> is X broken on natty?
[13:13] <adrian_kx> no even  1 game works
[13:13] <adrian_kx> they all crash
[13:13] <bazhang> works here
[13:13] <adrian_kx> extemetuxracer
[13:13] <adrian_kx> and other opensource games
[13:14] <adrian_kx> i have ati igp hd3200
[13:14] <adrian_kx> u intel guys are lucky:((
[13:14] <adrian_kx> i hate amd
[13:44] <MDCore> hey all. I'm having a problem with apache serving my php5 files for download. I've google and tried all the suggestions I could find, but still no joy. any ideas?
[13:45] <iceroot> MDCore: not without usefull infos
[13:47] <MDCore> iceroot, cool. I've got modphp5 enabled with a2enmod, libapache2-modphp5 is installed, I haven
[13:47] <MDCore> iceroot, I haven't changed the apache config at all. What else?
[13:47] <iceroot> MDCore: apache restarted
[13:47] <MDCore> iceroot, ja
[13:47] <iceroot> MDCore: what are the logs saying?
[13:48] <MDCore> iceroot, Nothing in the error log and access log just says it has served the file
[13:49] <MDCore> iceroot, maybe it's something to do with the files being in my public_html directory. Hmmmm. let me check that that is configured correctly
[13:49] <iceroot> MDCore: /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ there is a php5.conf?
[13:50] <nijabo> http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/1311/screenshot1dq.png
[13:51] <MDCore> iceroot, son of a gun... it looks like that file turns off php for my home dir
[13:51] <iceroot> MDCore: using mod_userdir?
[13:52] <MDCore> iceroot, yep. But php5.conf has a few lines in it that turns off php for the home dir. So I commented those out and it's all working now!
[13:53] <iceroot> MDCore: hm strange, maybe its a new default in natty, on 10.10 and lenny its enabled by default
[13:53] <MDCore> iceroot, that is strange. I am comparing the conf file with my previous 10.10 machine and it also has those lines commented. I can't remember whether I commented those out though
[13:54] <iceroot> MDCore: never was using ubuntu as LAMP so i dont know but good to know
[13:54] <MDCore> iceroot, thanks for your help. You put me on the right track.
[13:57] <avinashhm> Hi guys , I am on ubuntu 10.10 .. I am trying to start trace32 application, which used bitmap fonts .. but X-windows is ending with fatal error saying, bitmap fonts may be disabled .. more logs @ http://paste.ubuntu.com/596533/ .. can any one help me pls.
[13:58] <yofel> avinashhm: 10.10 support is in #ubuntu, if it's too full there try #ubuntu-beginners
[14:01] <avinashhm> yofel, thanks .. i ll try there ..
[14:06] <Maro__> Hi, on beta 2 I can't seem to be able to install the package "mysql-admin"- says broken package. Tried fixing it in synaptic, no luck. Would anyone be able to see if this is a problem or its something I've done?
[14:07] <Pici> Maro__: hmm.  let me take a look.
[14:08] <Maro__> Thanks
[14:08] <KM0201> appears to be working fine for me
[14:08] <KM0201> its installing now
[14:08] <Pici> Doesn't look to be complaining for me either.
[14:08] <Maro__> amd64?
[14:08] <Maro__> Huh.
[14:08] <Maro__> Interesting
[14:09] <KM0201> no, 32bit.. sorry
[14:09] <Maro__> Anyone tried on 64?
[14:09] <KM0201> i'm guessing a package like that, its probably not gonna matter
[14:09] <KM0201> have you checked your repositories/
[14:09] <KM0201> made sure you had everything enabled, etc,.?
[14:10] <Maro__> I'll check again, but fairly certain everything is fine...
[14:11] <nijabo> Problem, can't find my wireless network in Ubuntu 11.04
[14:11] <Ian_Corne> any way to alter the amount of workspaces in unity?
[14:11] <KM0201> nijabo: whats your wireless device/
[14:12] <nijabo> 01:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY (rev 01)
[14:12] <KM0201> Ian_Corne: i think you'd ahve to go through compiz-config...
[14:12] <Maro__> richard@richard-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install mysql-admin
[14:12] <Maro__> Reading package lists... Done
[14:12] <Maro__> Building dependency tree
[14:12] <Maro__> Reading state information... Done
[14:12] <Maro__> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[14:12] <Maro__> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[14:12] <Maro__> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
[14:12] <Maro__> or been moved out of Incoming.
[14:12] <Maro__> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
[14:12] <Maro__> The following packages have unmet dependencies.
[14:12] <Maro__>  mysql-admin : Depends: mysql-gui-tools-common (= 5.0r14+openSUSE-2.1) but it is not going to be installed
[14:12] <KM0201> nijabo: you'll have no luck w/ that lp-pphy
[14:12] <Maro__>                Recommends: mysql-query-browser but it is not going to be installed
[14:12] <Maro__> E: Broken packages
[14:12] <Maro__> Oops
[14:12] <Maro__> Sorry >_<
[14:12] <nijabo> What do you mean KM0201?
[14:12] <KM0201> nijabo: i mean, you're not going to have any luck w/ the lp-phy at this point in time
[14:13] <Ian_Corne> KM0201: not finding it there
[14:13] <Ian_Corne> at least not with the search
[14:13] <nijabo> So there's nothing I can do about it not finding my wireless network? (It works in 10.10)
[14:13] <KM0201> Ian_Corne: yeah.. its there somewhere hang on just a minute i'll look.
[14:14] <KM0201> nijabo: we kicked around that exact device for abouut 2hrs the other night, w/o success... the lp's seem to require a different driver that is not available for natty yet
[14:14] <nijabo> Ouch
[14:14] <nijabo> Suppose I'll have to format and install 10.10 again then
[14:14] <KM0201> nijabo: does the machine have "cabled' access?
[14:14] <nijabo> Yup
[14:15] <nijabo> I'm on it as we type
[14:15] <KM0201> look in the repos, there's a package called firmware-b43-lpphy-installer   we tried it a couple times and didn't have any luck.. maybe you will.
[14:15] <KM0201> !info firmware-b43-lpphy-installer
[14:16] <KM0201> it kept erroring out when it tried to install.
[14:16] <nijabo> tommy@Poco:~$ sudo apt-cache search firmware-b43-lpphy-installer
[14:16] <nijabo> firmware-b43-lpphy-installer - Installer package for firmware for the b43 driver (LP-PHY version)
[14:16]  * mongy uses bcmwl-kernel-source  sta driver
[14:16] <Maro__> Can anyone on amd64 try and install this package? I've checked everything in synaptic, don't think I've done anything dumb. I've installed LAMP servers several times before, never had this issue before...
[14:17] <ManDay> Unity could be based upon Gnome3 but it isnt, is that correct?
[14:17] <nijabo> KM0201, looks like I've managed to do it
[14:17] <nijabo> ManDay, it could but when thewy started with Unity Gnome3 was far from finished
[14:17] <KM0201> really?.. did that get it working?
[14:17] <nijabo> Well I installed it
[14:18] <nijabo> 100%[[14:18] <KM0201> hmm
[14:18] <nijabo> it extracted a bunch of .fw files
[14:18] <KM0201> yeah
[14:18] <yofel> Maro__: confirmed
[14:18] <Maro__> yofel, it works for you? or doesn't? :P
[14:18] <KM0201> nijabo: now look in system/admin/additional drivers and see if you see the b43 driver there
[14:18] <yofel> Maro__: doesn't
[14:18] <Maro__> Okay, nice
[14:19] <Maro__> my first bug discovered \o/
[14:19] <nijabo> Will do KM0201
[14:19] <KM0201> nijabo: you might need to restart to activate it... but i'm curious to know if you got this to work
[14:19] <Maro__> yofel, can you report it? I don't know hot :P
[14:19] <Maro__> how*
[14:19] <nijabo> Will restart my computer
[14:20] <nijabo> Didnt find anything this search
[14:20] <mongy> I have the same bcm chipset and Ive never had b43 drivers working brilliantly. Always use the STA driver flawlessly
[14:20] <yofel> Maro__: 'ubuntu-bug mysql-admin' - but let me check if it's reported
[14:20] <KM0201> mongy: is it that lp-phy chipset?
[14:20] <Maro__> kk
[14:20] <mongy> yes
[14:21] <yofel> Maro__: bug 683817
[14:21] <Maro__> ah!
[14:21] <KM0201> hmm, that is weird.. the other night, we kicked this around w/ another user for quite a while.. are you just using the STA driver in additional drivers, or did you download a driver from broadcom?
[14:21] <KM0201> fwiw though, i've never had a problem w/ the b43 driver.
[14:22] <mongy> bcmwl-kernel-source, the package tha jockey uses for sta
[14:22] <nijabo> It only finds the dricer I gpot now KM0201
[14:22] <KM0201> mongy: well i know that.
[14:22] <nijabo> Broadcom STA Wireless Driver
[14:22] <KM0201> nijabo: maybe mongy can help you, he says he got that one working on his system...
[14:23] <nijabo> mongy, how did you get it to work?
[14:23] <KM0201> nijabo: look and see if you have bcmwl-kernel-source installed
[14:23] <KM0201> you should have if you activated the driver.. but..
[14:23] <KM0201> nijabo: he says he just activated the driver...
[14:23] <nijabo> got it installed
[14:24] <mongy> nijabo, a tip.  tick download updates and install 3rd party stuff during install, it will enable it so you can connect before you continue with installation.. and will be there when its installed
[14:24] <ManDay> nijabo: Are there difficulties porting unity to G3 ?
[14:24] <nijabo> Uh, I don't think they have tried it?
[14:24] <yofel> Maro__: hm... you also get apt trying to install mysql-admin 5.0r14+openSUSE-2.1 right?
[14:24] <nijabo> Hmm, mongy, you're saying I should reinstall Ubuntu 11.04?
[14:24] <ManDay> When will Ubuntu switch to a Gnome 3 Base?
[14:25] <Maro__> Yes, yofal :S
[14:25] <Maro__> yofel
[14:25] <nijabo> I just did an upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04
[14:25] <mongy> nijabo, no, just saying what you could do whenever you do install
[14:25] <yofel> Maro__: ok, the reason seems to be that https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/mysql-gui-tools/5.0r14+openSUSE-2.2 failed to build on amd64
[14:25] <jo-erlend> ManDay, probably during oneiric.
[14:25] <KM0201> nijabo: did you not download "restricted software" while installing?
[14:25] <nijabo> Not sure
[14:25] <nijabo> let me check
[14:25] <ManDay> jo-erlend: version # ?
[14:25] <nijabo> I should've
[14:25] <Maro__> Right
[14:26] <jo-erlend> ManDay, possibly in 11.10, but it wouldn't be surprising if some of the work would have to be postponed to 12.04.
[14:26] <KM0201> nijabo: usually when you're installing, right where it tells you your system meets the requirements (3 green chcks) below that, there's 2 boxes, download updates, and install 3erd party software
[14:26] <ManDay> That would be end 2012 something, ?
[14:26] <ManDay> (12.4)
[14:26] <jo-erlend> ManDay, 12.04 means april 2012.
[14:26] <nijabo> 12.4 is april 2012
[14:26] <KM0201> .. .04
[14:26] <nijabo> it's YY.MM
[14:26] <nijabo> with Ubuntu
[14:26] <ManDay> oh
[14:26] <ManDay> nice to know
[14:26] <mongy> well thats what I do since its been an option in ubuntu... that way I dont need a cable attached,  enable the driver and use it for downloading while installing. easy
[14:27] <KM0201> i've looked high and low for the 40th month.. :)
[14:27] <nijabo> Yeah I just did an upgrade not sure if I even had that at that time
[14:27] <ManDay> what will happen to unity then? Gnome 3 and its all its magic makes about everything else (unity included) obsolete...
[14:27] <KM0201> nijabo: yeah, on an upgrade, you wouldn't have....
[14:27] <KM0201> i'm talking clean install
[14:27] <jo-erlend> ManDay, hehe, oh really?
[14:27] <shaneo> can someone help me with removing vmware files from my pc i have already run sudo apt-get remove --purge vmware but when i run find there are many files left and it dosnt show me locations
[14:27] <ManDay> yeah really :p
[14:27]  * mongy doesnt ever trust upgrades.
[14:27] <nijabo> Quite a while I did the clean install, suppose I should do one
[14:27] <jo-erlend> ManDay, I didn't think they
[14:28] <nijabo> Is there anyway on installing restricted software after the install?
[14:28] <jo-erlend> ManDay, they've even got zeitgeist in gnome-shell yet? :)
[14:28] <KM0201> nijabo: yeah, try that... download the ISO and do a clean install of 11.04
[14:28] <nijabo> With the restricted
[14:28] <nijabo> Will remember that
[14:28] <KM0201> nijabo: i'm sure there is, i just don't know what all packages it installs... i know it installs ubuntu-restricted extras.. but i don't know anymore than that
[14:28] <ManDay> jo-erlend: zeitgeist?
[14:28] <nijabo> Gotto go to IKEA with my girlfriend now Ill try it later
[14:28] <ManDay> never heard of
[14:28] <jo-erlend> nijabo, ubuntu-restricted-extras
[14:28] <KM0201> nijabo: let us know, i'm curious
[14:28] <nijabo> Will do
[14:29] <nijabo> Will get in here when I complete it :)
[14:29] <mongy> it doesnt install ubuntu-restricted-extras metapackage, just some of the ones in it
[14:29] <KM0201> best of luck
[14:29] <KM0201> mongy: oh ok..
[14:29] <mongy> as part of the install process anyway..  it will complete the set when you install that package tho later on
[14:29] <ManDay> jo-erlend: wiki says zeitgeist is in gnome-3
[14:30] <mongy> which is only like ms fonts and some other stuff
[14:30] <ManDay> anyway they got nautilus and updated it
[14:30] <KM0201> ya.. new that...
[14:30] <jo-erlend> ManDay, what wiki? And when was it upgraded? I read that they removed it.
[14:30] <KM0201> i dunno, i imagine its just a matter of finding the package that has that lp-phy driver in it.
[14:30] <mongy> for the most part, you dont need it
[14:30] <KM0201> right.
[14:30] <freaky[t]> KM0201 hey :D u there again :D
[14:31] <KM0201> i'm always here.. :)
[14:31] <freaky[t]> KM0201 i have installed ubuntu but theres no graphic driver i get working well
[14:31] <KM0201> freaky[t]: whats your graphics device?
[14:31] <freaky[t]> i have an ait radeon hd 5850
[14:31] <yofel> Maro__: I'll try to rebuild that in a PPA of mine, let's see if it build there, the archive build error was somewhat odd..
[14:31] <KM0201> ugh, ati.
[14:31] <mongy> nijabo, if you are just doing clean install, tick both boxes, then when you see it say network disconnected you have wifi ability.  connect to your AP and carry on with install.  its still there after installation also
[14:31] <ManDay> jo-erlend: wikipedia.org
[14:31] <ManDay> jo-erlend: anyway, what is your point concerning zeitgeist?
[14:31] <KM0201> mongy: that is very interesting
[14:32] <freaky[t]> KM0201 yes the propriotary (or how its spelled) driver works but it's laggy ...
[14:32] <Maro__> Thanks, yofel. I have to to work for a bit now anyway. Just using my home PC for a bit of testing. I don't really know what I'm doing beyond just being a user ;)
[14:32] <mongy> nijabo, if not, enable it in additional drivers.
[14:32] <KM0201> freaky[t]: i've honestly had very little luck w/ Ati and Linux... i wonj't be much help to you.
[14:32] <freaky[t]> :(
[14:32] <jo-erlend> ManDay, that Unity has lots of advanced stuff that gnome shell doesn't have. There's room for both of them. They don't obsolete each other.
[14:32] <freaky[t]> that sucks
[14:32] <freaky[t]> does anyone have the latest ati drivers from the website installed?
[14:32] <yofel> Maro__: thanks for testing anyway :)
[14:33] <nijabo> Sounds good mongy
[14:33] <nijabo> Will keep you guys posted
[14:33] <nijabo> Gotto go
[14:33] <mongy> nijabo, the package is called bcmwl-kernel-source and is on the installation disc
[14:33] <mongy> hence, no need for net access
[14:34] <nijabo> it's weird because I got that installed
[14:34] <nijabo> I can find my neighbors networks (some) but not my own
[14:34] <nijabo> Perhaps it's an error on my side
[14:34] <ManDay> jo-erlend: yes, it was just my impression that gnome really tries to take over a lo
[14:34] <ManDay> t
[14:35] <nijabo> But it works an hour ago in Ubuntu 10.10
[14:35] <jo-erlend> ManDay, Ubuntu uses gnome. Unity and Gnome Shell are just shells. There is no conflict. You just choose between them when you login.
[14:35] <mongy> well, upgrades seldom go without complication :(
[14:36] <ManDay> the term shell is pretty misleading
[14:36] <ManDay> call it a DE, will you? ;)
[14:36] <jo-erlend> why?
[14:36] <ManDay> because a shell traditionally is a CLI shell
[14:36] <nijabo> jo-erlend, wrong, Gnome 3 weill break Unity
[14:36] <ManDay> like bash and sh
[14:36] <jo-erlend> ManDay, no, that's something else. These are just shells.
[14:36] <jo-erlend> nijabo, not when Ubuntu switches to gnome 3.
[14:36] <ManDay> unity is a DE
[14:37] <ManDay> well
[14:37] <ManDay> unity & gnome
[14:37] <nijabo> Anyways bye guys
[14:37] <jo-erlend> ManDay, Ubuntu and Unity uses Gnome. That's not going to change.
[14:37] <yofel> erm, unity is a shell for gnome, it's not a DE on it's own
[14:39] <KM0201> yofel: but the shell will break unity, at least that was my experience
[14:39] <KM0201> i'm about to boot he gnome 3 live usb now to see what all the hubbub is about.;
[14:39] <jo-erlend> KM0201, at the moment, yes. There is much to be done, but the transition will be made.
[14:40] <KM0201> jo-erlend: well yeah, i didn't mean "wow, its happening now.. we're doomed we'll never get gnome3 to work"
[14:40] <yofel> huh? ah, unity doesn't work with gnome3 yet, thus installing gnome-shell from the gnome3 ppa will break unity
[14:40] <KM0201> yofel: right
[14:40] <KM0201> brb, hopefully from gnome 3 live 1
[14:40] <KM0201> !
[14:40] <yofel> doesn't change the fact that both unity and gnome-shell are replacements for gnome-panel, not all of gnome
[14:41] <ManDay> shell...
[14:41] <KM0201> yofel: of course.. iw asn't saying you weren't right.. just saying that gnome 3 shell did break unity.
[14:41] <jo-erlend> ManDay, they _are_ shells.
[14:41] <yofel> KM0201: yes, since -shell depends on gnome3, so it's no gnome-shell that breaks unity, but installing gnome3
[14:42] <ManDay> shell...
[14:42] <jo-erlend> ManDay, it is _wrong_ to call Unity and Gnome Shell DEs. They are not. Gnome is a DE which now has several shells, including Gnome-panel, Unity and Gnome Shell.
[14:42] <ManDay> call it an application launcher
[14:42] <ManDay> :P
[14:42] <yofel> ManDay: bash is a shell for linux, unity is a shell for gnome. Think about it and you'll realise it makes perfect sense
[14:42] <ManDay> fine
[14:43] <ManDay> so panel, xterm, unity, they are all shells
[14:43] <ManDay> so is bash, sh, zsh
[14:43] <ManDay> csh
[14:43] <jo-erlend> ManDay, xterm is not a shell. It is a terminal emulator.
[14:43] <ManDay> its also a shell
[14:43] <ManDay> by your def :P
[14:43] <yofel> no, xterm is a terminal emulator that runs a shell (bash by default)
[14:44] <yofel> default for us anyway
[14:45] <ManDay> yes
[14:45] <ManDay> and by your def its also a shell
[14:46] <jo-erlend> no...?
[14:46] <ManDay> it can do *things* for you
[14:46] <ManDay> hence its a shell
[14:46] <ManDay> thats your rather vague definition
[14:46] <ManDay> anyway, pointless discussion
[14:46] <ManDay> thanks for your info
[14:46] <jo-erlend> ManDay, reference?
[14:48] <freaky[t]> anyone can help me with logitech G35? it is set up and shows up under audio devices, and then again disappears, and reappears, and disappears and that allt he time ...
[14:51] <KM0201> now this isn't to bad
[14:52] <KM0201> i guess the ubuntu version of gnome 3 (or gnome shell, whatever you want to call it) was just buggy, cuz the live cd is far, far better
[14:53] <KM0201> sorry about that
[14:55] <KM0201> the right click/desktop function is gone.. that seems strange
[14:59] <KM0201> everybody go quiet?
[14:59] <jo-erlend> :)
[14:59] <KM0201> ok, thought maybe i smelled or something.. :)
[15:01] <jo-erlend> I haven't checked out gnome shell in quite a while. I'm downloading an opensuse based live image now. It'll be exciting to give it a go. But I think it's a little bit off-topic for this channel.
[15:01] <jo-erlend> although comparisons might be useful.
[15:02] <avinashhm> Hi , i am getting bitmaps error, when i start my application .. more logs @ http://paste.ubuntu.com/596533/..can some one please help ?
[15:06] <_|pegasus|_> I started an update 5 minutes ago. After reboot i can't change the font size in appearance. The feature to reduce resolution is dead.. Am i the only one?
[15:09] <BluesKaj> hi folks
[15:13] <KM0201> BluesKaj: yo
[15:25] <yedek_p2> hi!
[15:25] <yedek_p2>  i use ubuntu 11.04 beta2 updated. How can i make the gnome-panels to do not start any panel on startup. Because i use awn as default panel. ?
[15:32] <freakyy[t]> hi all i have a problem trying to get my logitech G35 to work i get this in syslog: http://pastie.org/1815597
[15:32] <freakyy[t]> can anybody help me please? :)
[15:33] <freakyy[t]> i have updated all pacakges to the latest
[15:35] <freakyy[t]> it adds/removes itself all the time from the sound hardware thing
[15:37] <KNUBBIG> Hey, is there a way to modify The font-color in the top panel?
[15:37] <BluesKaj> freakyy[t], try it without pulseaudio installed, then try agin in the  sound hardware thing , if you mean system settings/ multimedia
[15:38] <freakyy[t]> BluesKaj, so, apt-get remove puseaudio?
[15:38] <BluesKaj> yup
[15:39] <BluesKaj>  pulseaudio
[15:39] <KNUBBIG> Additionally, I got the Creative X-Fi drivers installed but now my mic is either not working at all or just repeating what I'm hearing in teamspeak. Any ideas?
[15:39] <freakyy[t]> BluesKaj, do i have to restart for this?
[15:39] <bullgard4> Update Manager offers a major Update (> 140 MB). Will the result be Natty Release Candidate?
[15:40] <yofel> I don't think we have a RC this time. And the release images are built tomorrow, so I guess that's just a pretty large regular update
[15:41] <bullgard4> Ah! Thank you for your information.
[15:41] <freakyy[t]> BluesKaj, where to go now ive removed pulseaudio but now how to add the device?
[15:41] <freakyy[t]> i went to system settings/hardware/sound
[15:41] <freakyy[t]> but i cant add anything
[15:42] <freakyy[t]> BluesKaj, ill try a reboot brb
[15:44] <yedek_p2> someone can help me please ? :(
[15:45] <bullgard4> !ask | yedek_p2
[15:45] <yofel> he already asked
[15:45] <yofel> [16:25:32] <yedek_p2>  i use ubuntu 11.04 beta2 updated. How can i make the gnome-panels to do not start any panel on startup. Because i use awn as default panel. ?
[15:45] <KNUBBIG> I saw that the top panel colour depends on the theme I chose, but on what appearance option exactly? It's unreadable for me at the moment and I'd like to change that :)
[15:45] <eagles0513875> hey guys
[15:45] <eagles0513875> is anoyone else dealing with a broken xorg
[15:45] <yofel> eagles0513875: o/
[15:45] <yofel> not yet ^^
[15:46] <eagles0513875> mine broke yesterday
[15:46] <eagles0513875> and todays xorg update still hasnt fixed it
[15:46] <freakyy[t]> BluesKaj,  hmm now when i click sound it says "waiting for soundsystem to respond"
[15:49] <eagles0513875> woooohoo broken xorg
[15:49] <delac> yedek_p2: on Unity desktop you can't alter panels. You need to use Classic desktop. You can select it form the login screen.
[15:49] <eagles0513875> yofel: tbh im suprised canonical hasnt put to use wayland yet
[15:49] <yofel> eagles0513875: wayland is in the archive, but there are almost no graphics driver for it yet - how do you expect to use that?
[15:49] <yofel> I don't care anyway since I'm on nvidia
[15:50] <eagles0513875> im on an intel chipset on my netbook nvidia on desktop
[15:50] <yedek_p2>  yedek_p2: i already use classic desktop. (i have open ofcorse the unity but i dont use it). Now i am on classic desktop and i will not change it anymore. what should i do now ?
[15:50] <eagles0513875> thing is now i am stuck on commandline as i have no xorg
[15:50] <yofel> eagles0513875: well, what does /var/log/Xorg.0.log say?
[15:50] <eagles0513875> ill check on reboot
[15:51] <delac> yedek_p2: the panels keep coming back even if you remove them?
[15:54] <yedek_p2>  delac: no i did not remove them. i need to make the panels do not open (not to remove them because dependencies...) on startup of gnome classic. (i can make on ubuntu 10.1 as default panel the awn, but there is no the same options on the ubuntu 11.04 . I mean this option: gconfeditor --> Gnome > Session > Required Components ...
[15:54] <eagles0513875> yofel: i cant decipher anything in regards to xorg issue im having mind if i pastebin it for you to take a look at
[15:55] <yofel> sure
[15:55] <delac> yedek_p2: maybe this helps? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1720958
[15:56] <eagles0513875> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/596576
[15:57] <yofel> eagles0513875: true, no hint, any crash file in /var/crash/ that you could file?
[15:57] <eagles0513875> yofel: in the mean time im gonna see if gnome works to rule out the desktop being the issue
[15:57] <yofel> eagles0513875: *when* does it fail?
[15:57] <eagles0513875> nope nothing in crash
[15:57] <eagles0513875> at boot up it never loads the login screen
[15:57] <eagles0513875> hangs
[15:57] <eagles0513875> i drop to tty1 and work from there
[15:57] <yofel> hm, yeah, try gdm
[15:58] <eagles0513875> haha read my mind yofel
[15:58] <rwhittle-> hi eagles0513875
[15:58] <eagles0513875> gonna try the ubuntu desktop with gdm and see if same issue occurs
[15:58] <eagles0513875> hey rwhittle-
[15:58] <eagles0513875> thank god at least yofel this is a testing netbook lol
[15:58] <yofel> heh, my eeePC works though (at least it did last time I tried it)
[15:58]  * yofel fetches it
[16:00] <yedek_p2> delac: i think this is the options i want. i edit the file now. to see if it works i will try to log on now. thank you!
[16:04] <eagles0513875> yofel: what eeepc do you have i have the 1001px
[16:05] <yofel> 1000H
[16:05] <eagles0513875> whats the specs on it yofel
[16:05] <eagles0513875> mines intel atom n450 dual core 1.66 ghz 64bit
[16:05] <eagles0513875> had 1gb of ram upgraded to 2gb
[16:05] <LarsTorben> hi
[16:05] <yofel> atom N270 32bit 2G RAM, intel 945GME
[16:06] <LarsTorben> whats problem
[16:06] <yofel> it's one of the earlier ones
[16:06] <eagles0513875> i think i have intel 950 chipset
[16:06] <eagles0513875> ahh
[16:06] <yofel> 64bit sure would be nice ~.~
[16:07] <LarsTorben> egales what is problem ??
[16:07] <spacebug-> is there no way to att "places" to the launcher? No way to add launchers to the top panel? No way to get the bottom panel with apps running? No way to autohide the laucnher to the left?
[16:07] <spacebug-> add*
[16:08] <yofel> "Integrated Graphics Chipset: Intel(R) Pineview GM" - haven't heard of that one yet..
[16:09] <yofel> spacebug-: the launchpad should auto-hide for maximised apps, you can't change the panels, and you need indicators if you want to add anything to the panel
[16:09] <yofel> s/launchpad/launcher/
[16:09] <eagles0513875> yofel: ya thats it
[16:09] <zniavre_> ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/173.14.30/     > nvidia updated 173.14-30  legacy drivers
[16:10] <yofel> zniavre_: rather post that in #ubuntu-x ^^
[16:10] <zniavre_> sorry i thought it was also a good place in here for ppl like me waiting this one since weeks
[16:11] <spacebug-> yofel: ok :( maybe time to get kubuntu
[16:11] <yofel> zniavre_: sure, but if you ping Sarvatt he can put that into x-updates asap
[16:11] <yofel> spacebug-: you can use old gnome-panel if you select ubuntu classic on the login screen
[16:12] <spacebug-> yofel: yeah, but not in 11.10 I heard
[16:12] <eruditehermit> hey, can anyone help me with getting my touchpad to work? Scrolling and middle click don't work
[16:12] <Alkarex> Hello, I need to make a quick demo to illustrate that Ubuntu 11.4 supports multitouch (with a multitouch 3M screen). Does anybody know a multitouch-enabled application on Linux? For instance, is there a Linux version of the classical paint demo drawing several fingers in different colours when they touch the touchscreen? At least, I would need an application illustrating a 2-finger zoom, but I find nothing for Linux. Any idea?
[16:13] <Alkarex> Something equivalent to Paint in Windows 7 (which is multitouch), or similar to the many demos available on e.g. Android
[16:14] <Weems> how do I switch to standard gnome?
[16:14] <Weems> log out and choose another mode?
[16:14] <eruditehermit> Weems, log out and choose gnome classic
[16:14] <Weems> ok
[16:14] <eruditehermit> as your desktop session
[16:14] <Weems> and can I remove the mode?
[16:15] <Weems> the non-classic
[16:15] <eruditehermit> why bother?
[16:15] <eruditehermit> it will just remember your last choice
[16:15] <Weems> I don't need it?
[16:15] <eruditehermit> the anser is yes you can
[16:15] <eruditehermit> removing unity will remove the package
[16:26] <eagles0513875> yofel: turns out this is a super nasty bug with kdm
[16:26] <yofel> :S
[16:27] <eagles0513875> ya gnoem loads fine
[16:27] <eagles0513875> gnome and gdm
[16:27] <eagles0513875> unity runs like a charm
[16:27] <eagles0513875> tbh better then the netbook version of kde
[16:28] <eagles0513875> ffs kernel issue
[16:28] <eagles0513875> apw: are you around
[16:28] <apw> eagles0513875, ?
[16:28] <eagles0513875> apw: found a kernel issue with the sru kernel 2.6.38-9 seems like something happens with the kernel on gnome
[16:28] <eagles0513875> i got a crash of some sort
[16:29] <eagles0513875> gonna report the problem now
[16:29] <yofel> kdm works fine on my intel card though, so guess that's a hw-specific issue
[16:30] <eagles0513875> yofel: coudl be as well
[16:30] <LarsTorben> ubuntu is cool
[16:30] <eagles0513875> apw: it seems like there is some sort of kernel loops cuz its saying the report can also be reported to kernelloops.org
[16:31] <apw> eagles0513875, ok so let it report a bug
[16:33] <dios_mio> is "unity" a GNOME thing? or did ubuntu developers develop this?
[16:33] <yofel> ubuntu developed that
[16:33] <Pici> !unity
[16:33] <dios_mio> thanks
[16:37] <BluesKaj> sorry freakyy[t] , I was gone for a while ..how's the headset working ?
[16:39] <dios_mio> why is it that "unity" wont work if I dont install my video card drivers?
[16:39] <yofel> it uses compiz, if you don't have the drivers for it you could try to install unity-2d
[16:39] <yofel> or use ubuntu classic
[16:39] <eagles0513875> yofel: if i installed ubuntu-desktop should kubuntu-desktop been uninstalled
[16:39] <dios_mio> isnt unity a bit too much in the fantasy land?
[16:39] <eagles0513875> O_o
[16:40] <yofel> eagles0513875: no....
[16:40] <eagles0513875> dios_mio: no its alot like the kde netbook version but much better
[16:40] <eagles0513875> odd it seems to have removed it for me
[16:40] <eagles0513875> well at least i cant login with gdm there is no kubuntu option
[16:40] <yofel> some dependencies might conflict then though, I don't have ubuntu-desktop installed here (it conflicts with xubuntu-desktop at least)
[16:41] <yofel> but no, it doesn't want to remove kubuntu-desktop on install
[16:42] <eagles0513875> i have the apps still from kde
[16:42] <eagles0513875> but no option to choose kubuntu
[16:42] <eagles0513875> also yofel
[16:42] <yofel> is kdebase-workspace-data installed?
[16:42] <eagles0513875> after a logout and log back in unity fails to load
[16:42] <yofel> lol
[16:43] <eagles0513875> first login works like a charm 2nd login no desktop
[16:43] <yofel> check /var/crash/ for a compiz crash
[16:44] <eagles0513875> wow not working still O_o
[16:45] <eagles0513875> yofel: no compiz crash logged in /var/crash
[16:45] <yofel> no idea what doesn't happen then
[16:46] <eagles0513875> and kdebas-worspace-data is installed
[16:46] <yofel> odd, then 'KDE Plasma Workspace' should be an option in gdm
[16:47] <LarsTorben> ubuntu is cool
[16:47] <LarsTorben> is ubuntu natta stable ?
[16:47] <yofel> no, not until the 28th
[16:48] <LarsTorben> no i meant is it usuable
[16:49] <LarsTorben> i know not stablwe
[16:49] <LarsTorben> e
[16:49] <hardcold> LarsTorben: You said stable. What do you equate "usable" to?
[16:49] <yofel> some find it usable, some don't, get a live disk and try for yourself
[16:49] <eagles0513875> lol
[16:50] <eagles0513875> and atm for me unusable
[16:50] <LarsTorben> ok
[16:50] <LarsTorben> :D
[16:50] <eagles0513875> yofel: i dunno what else to do desktop wise :(
[16:50] <LarsTorben> but do you think eagles0513875
[16:50] <hardcold> For me it is barely usable and highly unstable
[16:50] <LarsTorben> it will be fixed
[16:50] <LarsTorben> if it is not untill now
[16:50] <LarsTorben> ?!
[16:50] <yofel> eagles0513875: install xubuntu, that works fine here
[16:50] <eagles0513875> LarsTorben: they some how manage to pull something outa their back side to make it stable enough
[16:50] <hardcold> I don't think the final release will be much different
[16:50] <kippi> hey
[16:50] <kippi> I installed 11.04 and all went fine, I then did the updates yesterday and now my machine gets stuck on the ubuntu loading logo. If I boot into recovery mode it gets stuck when you get the options, anyideas?
[16:50] <eagles0513875> yofel: dunno why i feel like the same issue will arise though
[16:51] <eagles0513875> kippi: same here on kde with kdm
[16:51] <yofel> eagles0513875: it did work fine for me 2 days ago
[16:51] <yofel> but then again, so did kde for you
[16:51] <eagles0513875> yofel: ok ill give it a shot but i think the updates yesterday screwed up something big time
[16:51] <LarsTorben> eagles0513875: HAHA
[16:52] <eagles0513875> first big issue i had was with kernel panic and my wifi card which seems to be fixed in the first sru release of the kernel a week after release
[16:52] <kippi> eagles0513875: and if you boot back to a older kernel do you find thing like wireless etc are not working?
[16:52] <hardcold> I wanted to try something different than OSX for fun, and so I could get a cheap and light machine ($398 for an x120e) but I'm already trying to figure out how to put OSX on this so I have a usable and stable OS
[16:52] <eagles0513875> now all of these other stuff due to updates from yesterday and today broke things badly
[16:52] <eagles0513875> hardcold: try ubuntu or kubuntu 10.04 if you want linux and rock stable linux
[16:53] <hardcold> eagles0513875: 10.04 doesn't work well on the x120e
[16:53] <hardcold> 11.04 is supposed to work better than that on this
[16:54] <kippi> eagles0513875: have you got close to a fix?
[16:54] <eagles0513875> hardcold: you tried 10.10
[16:54] <eagles0513875> kippi: well i tried gdm and gnome it worked for a sec but unity fails to load going ot try xubuntu now
[16:54] <eagles0513875> will also try the classic version of gnome just for grins
[16:54] <hardcold> eagles0513875: I have not tried 10.04 or 10.10, as the wiki says it does not work well
[16:54] <kippi> hmmm
[16:55] <LarsTorben> hardcold
[16:55] <kippi> I guess the best thing to do is to wait for more updates?
[16:55] <LarsTorben> rockstable is debian
[16:55] <LarsTorben> but think ubuntu is okay
[16:55] <LarsTorben> i
[16:55] <hardcold> To me rockstable means 0 crashes a year
[16:55] <LarsTorben> !enter | LarsTorben
[16:56] <hardcold> I'm coming from OSX so I have a very different idea of what stable means than windows users
[16:56] <hardcold> I've had 2 crashes in 3 years with my MBP
[16:56] <LarsTorben> hard i can recommend Kubuntu 11.04 amd 64
[16:56] <Roasted> Does anybody know if the dual screen bar movement bug has been fixed?
[16:56] <hardcold> I've had about 50 crashes in 4 days with Ubuntu
[16:56] <Roasted> well, not a bug I guess. but feature implemented.
[16:57] <Roasted> what constitutes a crash?
[16:58] <jo-erlend> hardcold, in 11.04? Does that surprise you?
[16:58] <hardcold> jo-erland: it surprises me very much, yes
[16:58] <jo-erlend> hardcold, that a software that isn't released isn't stable?
[16:59] <hardcold> jo-erland: that a software that will be final with a couple more packages in 8 days is not stable?
[16:59] <hardcold> yes, that surprises me.
[16:59]  * genii-around ponders 11.06
[17:01] <jo-erlend> I've had two crashes with 10.04 since it was released. Both of the times, the proprietary ATI driver was to blame. I had a few crashes in 2007 though.
[17:01] <hardcold> jo-erland: I
[17:01] <hardcold> m under the impression that this only works with old hardware
[17:01] <jo-erlend> this?
[17:02] <hardcold> The x120e has been out for several months, but I'm getting the impression your computer must be at least 2-3 years old to run linux
[17:02] <hardcold> the guys that says, "everything works great on my machine" have 5 year old computers
[17:02] <jo-erlend> hardcold, that's just wrong. It often has support for hardware long before it's out in the open.
[17:03] <hardcold> It's free, so I can't really complain, but just saying my experience
[17:03] <jo-erlend> but obviously, if the hardware vendor doesn't write drivers and if they don't release and specs, then it's difficult to make software work with hardware.
[17:03] <eagles0513875> interesting normal gnome works fine yofel
[17:03] <eagles0513875> unity is borked
[17:04] <KM0201> eagles0513875: any idea what happened?
[17:04] <eagles0513875> KM0201: no
[17:04] <eagles0513875> yofel: does unity work on ur netbook
[17:04] <jo-erlend> hardcold, what kinds of problems do you have with the x120e?
[17:04] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875, on which machine ? netbook or pc?
[17:04] <hardcold> Unfortunately, this uses AMD cpu's so I can do the simple OSX install with iBoot and my Snow Leopard DVD
[17:04] <eagles0513875> netbook bluefox83
[17:04] <hardcold> can't
[17:04] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj:
[17:04] <yofel> eagles0513875: don't have unity installed there, but it did work once when I did some beta2 iso testing
[17:05] <hardcold> I need a modified OSX that supports AMD
[17:05] <eagles0513875> humm ok
[17:05] <dios_mio> unity blows, imo
[17:05] <eagles0513875> well it seems like its loading but lots of cpu  processing just to load
[17:05] <eagles0513875> ok now its working
[17:05] <eagles0513875> kippi: if you want a fix install ubuntu-desktop package
[17:05] <eagles0513875> kippi: testing with xubuntu now
[17:06] <eagles0513875> yofel: should i file a bug regarding not seeing kubuntu listed when using gdm
[17:06] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875, I doubt that netbook HW supports 3D graphics in general , Unity  requires it
[17:06] <IdleOne> need some help with Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2) was working fine just 15 minutes ago and now I have no sound
[17:06] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: its working just takes time to load
[17:06] <jo-erlend> hardcold, OS X doesn't even support AMD processors? Seems like a horrible operating system.
[17:06] <eagles0513875> also kippi xubuntu works as well
[17:06] <eagles0513875> jo-erlend: its not on the right hardware
[17:06] <dios_mio> !compiz
[17:06] <yofel> BluesKaj: it if wouldn't I wouldn't have any kwin effects on my eeePC either, and I have
[17:06] <eagles0513875> i have a mac book pro and it purrs like a kitten
[17:07] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: whats horrible is the plasma version of kde it brings a netbook to a standstill
[17:07] <bjsnider> eagles0513875, you should get that checked out, it sounds like a hardware problem
[17:07] <yofel> eagles0513875: do you have /usr/share/xsessions/kde-plasma.desktop ?
[17:07] <eagles0513875> bjsnider: ????
[17:08] <yofel> eagles0513875: er, there is no non-plasma version of kde, do you mean netbook?
[17:08] <BluesKaj> yofel, eagles0513875 ok ..then I'll avoid netbooks , my fingers would never navigate the KB anyway
[17:08] <eagles0513875> yofel: there is the netbook version but you can also tell it to use the desktop version the plain jane kde look
[17:08] <eagles0513875> which works flawlessly
[17:08] <yofel> I do have some opengl issues with my netbook though, I need to disable several effects or kwin goes down to like 0.5 FPS
[17:08] <eagles0513875> and yes there is a kde-plasma.desktop file
[17:08] <yofel> in natty
[17:09] <yofel> eagles0513875: file a bug then, no idea why it wouldn't show it
[17:09] <bjsnider> eagles0513875, small joke. thought maybe you had a feline stuck inside the crackbook
[17:09] <hardcold> jo-erland: in order of importance, 1) frequent crashes, 2) wireless issues (inability to connect to network 90% of the time), 3) setting up dual monitors doesn't work well, 4) audio programs [banshee/rbox] makes awful noises when connecting to radio streams and can't add them to a playlist, or even add them to the radio thing in banshee's case, must get the URL and enter everything manually, 5) clicking on and closing any menu c
[17:09] <hardcold> reates a white flash, and on and on
[17:09] <eagles0513875> yofel: i do disable the desktop effects but the netbook layout is horrendous
[17:10] <lcb> As of a beta release TO beta testers, it's reasonably stable. As of usability testing, i.e., how's this release being tested by regular users, of course,  on the 28th we'll have the final result - the complaints are good for developers as of what hardcold just did. In meanwhile is my impression we'll get downs and ups, until things are fixed and adapted to general usage. that's why is beta.some might argue, well beta should be on finals. That's incorrect, a
[17:10] <lcb> beta release could make a complete feature code to be reviewed. ( i didn't type anything today.. so, i'm done - over & out)
[17:11] <hardcold> I enjoy learning knew things, and I am learning a lot with ubuntu, but at the end of the day I'd also like a functional OS on this computer
[17:12] <jo-erlend> hardcold, it helps if you use tab completion or write my name properly so that I get highlighted. But yes, it's difficult to support hardware without any help from the manufacturer. AMD is horrible when it comes to drivers.
[17:13] <jester7> Anybody here using Gwibber?
[17:13] <BluesKaj> hardcold, well, in general a beta OS , not expected to be a stable OS , even tho it appears to be so for a lot of ppl
[17:15] <BluesKaj> jo-erlend, I was reading recently the amd has assembled a teaam to tackle the ati linux driver problem
[17:15] <jo-erlend> BluesKaj, sounds nice. It's about time, I'd say.
[17:16] <BluesKaj> yup, they've fallen behind since amd bought ati , jo-erlend
[17:16] <jo-erlend> yes, I've noticed. :)
[17:18] <hardcold> jo-erlend, I read that 11.04 worked well with this hardware before I bought it
[17:19] <hardcold> jo-erlend, like I said, I think Linux needs 2 years to work on a machine, so when 12.10 comes out, it should work well
[17:19] <jo-erlend> hardcold, on the laptop testing page, or just somewhere on the web?
[17:19] <jo-erlend> hardcold, that just isn't true.
[17:20] <hardcold> jo-erlend, on the thread for this machine on ubuntu forums and the ubuntu wiki on this machine
[17:20] <jester7> hardcold: Closer to 1 year, I think
[17:21] <jester7> that's what I waited on my laptop. it's pretty smooth now
[17:21] <jester7> Seriously though, nobody using Gwibber on Natty?
[17:21] <jo-erlend> since 2006, I don't think I've had any problems with any of my new computers. The only exception is the ATI Radeon HD5850 on my desktop. I always buy new stuff and I test on lots of new computers. Most of them work very well. I've had to install drivers for VGA and wifi on some of them, but other than that, they've been fine.
[17:22] <hardcold> jo-erlend, only listed issue was hibernate, which was not a big deal to me
[17:22] <trism> jester7: I am, it would help if you asked a question about it though
[17:23] <hardcold> jo-erlend, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/X120e
[17:25] <jo-erlend> hardcold, did you download a beta or a daily image?
[17:25] <hardcold> I installed beta 2, and have updated each day since
[17:26] <hardcold> I realized that the updater requires me to "check" everything though, otherwise it doesn't show updates
[17:26] <jo-erlend> hardcold, ok. It's possible that regressions have been introduced. Have you filed bugs?
[17:27] <jo-erlend> hardcold, check everything? I don't understand.
[17:28] <hardcold> jo-erlend, in Update Managerthere are two options, "Install Updates" or "Check"
[17:28] <hardcold> If there is a connection issue when you open it, it will forever say there is nothing to be updated, so you must "Check" everything
[17:29] <jo-erlend> right. It updates itself automatically and periodically and notifies you when there are updates available, but if you want to do it manually, then you have to check manually too.
[17:29] <hardcold> jo-erlend, back to testing, though, when I open the system testing app it immediately says there is a serious kernal problem and my machine will be unstable and to report it
[17:30] <jo-erlend> great. Then let's hope it'll be fixed before release. :)
[17:30] <jo-erlend> cause you did report it?
[17:30] <hardcold> jo-erlend, yeah, let's hope ^_^
[17:31] <hardcold> jo-erlend, it says there are no updates now, but I'm sure there must be, so I am checking everything now
[17:31] <hardcold> jo-erlend, for the reporting I click through everything until it brings up a webpage
[17:32] <hardcold> that has sent all the appropriate info by that point, yes? Or do I need to sign up for an account on that website and handwrite everything as well?
[17:33] <jo-erlend> you don't need to handwrite anything, but I think you do need a launchpad.net account.
[17:36] <hardcold> jo-erlend, I installed the alephone beta 2 yesterday and that works well so I'm happy about that
[17:37] <hardcold> When I got my machine on Friday, the first thing I tried to do was put alephone on this, coz_ helped me through that mostly
[17:37] <hardcold> for the beta install it was simple, as I understood what was going on
[17:38] <jo-erlend> I don't know what that is.
[17:39] <hardcold> some people seem averse to simple explanations of things, but ubuntu is really targeted at new users to linux os it's an illogical attitude.
[17:40] <hardcold> jo-erlend, alephone? It's the open source release of the Marathon trilogy from bungie
[17:40] <genii-around> !info alephone
[17:40] <jo-erlend> I don't know what that is either. :)
[17:41] <genii-around> Hm
[17:41] <hardcold> it's a lot of fun
[17:41] <hardcold> especially for those who played marathon in the early-mid 90's
[17:41] <jo-erlend> hardcold, I couldn't parse that previous message of yours.
[17:41] <jo-erlend> oh, it's a game?
[17:42] <genii-around> Ah, old Mac stuff
[17:42] <hardcold> jo-erlend, message about?
[17:43] <jo-erlend> hardcold, a very long message about simple explanations and new users to linux.
[17:44] <jo-erlend> but yes, I agree. Any explanation should be as simple as possible, but not simpler. I don't think that has anything to do with linux or ubuntu, really.
[17:52] <hardcold> Is there a way to not have bluetooth turn on at startup?
[17:52] <hardcold> I turn bluetooth off, but it does not remember that setting an turns itself on at each login
[17:53] <jo-erlend> that sounds like a bug to me.
[17:53] <hardcold> jo-erlend, is it? I figured it was SOP
[17:54] <hardcold> I don't want to disable BT in the sense that I can't enable it without reboot, I just want it off by default
[17:57] <KM0201> hmm
[17:58] <hardcold> Just updated that ton of stuff. I haven't had a crash yet today, so it's a good start
[17:58] <hardcold> I suspect audio and networking are the main sources of crashes
[17:58] <hardcold> I'm running Banshee now, which usually takes down the machine
[17:59] <hardcold> if this works for a while, I'll open a web browser
[17:59] <hardcold> then an document in libreoffice
[18:03] <hardcold> jo-erlend, how do I quit applications from the alt-tab deal in Unity?
[18:04] <hardcold> In OSX you press cmd+tab to flip through apps, and can hit "q" to quit them
[18:05] <hardcold> or, can anyone recommend the fastest way to quit a bunch of apps, save one or two?
[18:06] <lcb> http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/unity-keyboard-mouse-shortcuts/28087#28087
[18:07] <hardcold> okay, just had my first crash of the day. It's Banshee
[18:09] <hardcold> Does anyone else listen to radio streams in Banshee? Have they had issues with it?
[18:12] <andycc> Is there any way I can add apps to the Unity Dash, *except* putting .desktop files in /usr/share/applications?
[18:12] <yofel> open the app, then select 'stick to panel' or what it's called from the icon menu?
[18:13] <lcb> "Keep in Launcher " :)
[18:14] <hardcold> OMG, Ubuntu has an applications folder!?
[18:14] <hardcold> I asked about this many times
[18:14] <andycc> yofel, lemme check if I can do that...
[18:14] <hardcold> THANK YOU so much for inadvertently pointing this out
[18:15] <afief> Is there a way to get gnome3(or gnome-shell) in ubuntu 11.04?
[18:15] <yofel> !gnome3
[18:16] <PsychoAndroid> if office 2010 and photoshop run on the new ubuntu I will install it
[18:16] <andycc> Oh, neat, I actually can do that. Thing is, the app I want to add needs to be launched via a shell script, so while I *can* add it to the dock, I can't launch it. Kinda defeats the purpose.
[18:17] <andycc> PsychoAndroid, http://appdb.winehq.org?
[18:22] <zolw> okay unity has just stopped working entirely, how do i log-out using terminal since thats the only thing i can use right now?
[18:22] <trism> zolw: gnome-session-save --logout;
[18:23] <afief> is it possible to disable unity and use normal gnome 2.x desktop in natty?
[18:23] <trism> afief: select Ubuntu Classic as the session when you log in
[18:25] <afief> trism: thanks
[18:26] <BluesKaj> KM0201, hiyas , sorry I missed you awhile back , was checking daughter's flight progress
[18:35] <hardcold> hello, I would like to perform a memory test
[18:35] <hardcold> when I try to with grub, it just reboots into grub
[18:36] <hardcold> anyone around?
[18:37] <BluesKaj> yup , hardcold , ive yet to try that
[18:39] <hardcold> BluesKaj, well, another question then, is there a way to start ubuntu without seeing grub (or the thinkpad logo)?
[18:40] <ubuntuguy> Did the new ubuntu update fix the problem with the touchpad gestures?
[18:40] <ubuntuguy> Where oyu could use two fingers to scrolls etc?
[18:40] <ubuntuguy> you*
[18:40] <hardcold> ubuntuguy two finger scroll works great for me
[18:40] <hardcold> I have an x120e
[18:41] <hardcold> oh
[18:41] <hardcold> I am using two fingers to scroll
[18:41] <ubuntuguy> Not for me, can't even use the side of my trackpad to scroll
[18:41] <ubuntuguy> It used to work
[18:41] <ubuntuguy> but then they added the overlay scrolls or w/e
[18:41] <ubuntuguy> the thing on the side, the scroll bar
[18:41] <ubuntuguy> they added
[18:41] <hardcold> why would you not want to use two finger scroll?
[18:42] <trism> hardcold: there is the GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT option, however if you have multiple os installed, this option was previously disabled (I don't have grub in natty to test if this is still the case)
[18:42] <ubuntuguy> Never said I didn't, I said I can't
[18:42] <hardcold> trism: I have multiple OS's
[18:43] <hardcold> trism: I'd just like it to boot straight into ubuntu, but press a button at startup if I want to see grub
[18:44] <hardcold> trism: do you know how I can run a memory test? the memtest just reboots into grub
[18:44] <ubuntuguy> Dual booting is so very risky
[18:44] <BluesKaj> hardcold, you set the ime out in grub http://linuxpoison.blogspot.com/2010/11/how-to-change-grub-2-default-timeout.html
[18:45] <andycc> compiz --replace
[18:45] <hardcold> ubuntuguy, dual (or triple) boot is risky? How so/why?
[18:45] <ubuntuguy> Your partition could get elimated sometimes
[18:45] <hardcold> ubuntuguy, how could the partition get erased?
[18:46] <ubuntuguy> grub overwrite etc. happened to my windows xp :l
[18:46] <lucas-arg> hello
[18:46] <ubuntuguy> Good thing I saved everything
[18:46] <lucas-arg> !release
[18:46] <hardcold> I'm only interested in Ubuntu on this machine
[18:46] <hardcold> but it came with Win7
[18:47] <lucas-arg> when is 11.04 comin out final?
[18:47] <hardcold> 28th
[18:47] <lucas-arg> ok thats next week...
[18:47] <ubuntuguy> and my two fingers still don't work :l
[18:47] <hardcold> ubuntuguy, that's interesting. For me, two finger scroll was unusable in windows, but it works great in ubuntu
[18:48] <hardcold> the only thing I want changed is a sensitivity option
[18:48] <ubuntuguy> idk, just doesn't want to work for me, oh well
[18:48] <hardcold> it's too sensitive
[18:48] <ubuntuguy> mhm
[18:48] <hardcold> what computer do you have?
[18:48] <trigrou> Hi
[18:49] <hardcold> hello trigrou
[18:49] <trigrou> I have broken my unity with the last upgrade
[18:49] <trigrou> I would like to know how I can reset it
[18:49] <trism> hardcold: I'm not sure why memtest would fail to start, I think there is a memtest option on the cd too you could try
[18:49] <anthony_2409> unity --reset
[18:49] <trigrou> I think I have updated package before the upgrade
[18:50]  * lcb sends a orthopedic to take care of ubuntuguy fingers  and a neurologist for hardcold's sensibility  issues
[18:50] <trigrou> ok let me try to relog in unity profile
[18:51] <hardcold> trism: okay, I will boot off the SD card and see if that makes a difference
[18:55] <BluesKaj> BBL , time to walk to the postbox to pick up the mail
[19:02] <trigrou> hi again
[19:02] <trigrou> It did not work
[19:03] <trigrou> it seems that compiz crash when trying to log with unity, it's weird because in classic ubuntu compiz is used too
[19:03] <trigrou> any tricks
[19:03] <trigrou> ?
[19:05] <picca> anyone here find that Nautilus doesn't display certain character encodings problem .. when i look at my MP3 directory Bjork look like Bj├╢rk
[19:05] <ceed^> Anyone tried running Google Earth on natty? Fonts looks really messed up, hardly readable.
[19:06] <coz_> ceed^,   I have not ,, but then I uninstalled natty for this week anyway
[19:06] <bhaskar> hey all, is this the right place to ask if I have questions about Unity?
[19:06] <coz_> picca,  oo I didnt notice that at all ,,
[19:06] <coz_> bhaskar,  it sure it
[19:06] <coz_> is
[19:06] <ceed^> coz_, you tried Google Earth and the fonts looked okay?
[19:06] <coz_> ceed^,  no I have not yet  sorry
[19:06] <picca> coz_, it seems it isn't just Nautilus ... shows Bj├╢rk with a regular ls listing
[19:07] <ceed^> ah ok, wonder if it has to do with the nvidia driver. I will try and install it on a natty machine with intel graphics and see if it works.
[19:07] <coz_> picca,  ooo
[19:07] <bhaskar> coz_, cool thanks, I just want to know whether Unity is separate from Gnome or it's just a shell that runs on Gnome? Also is Gnome available in Natty by default for people who don't want to use Unity?
[19:08] <coz_> bhaskar,  well you can uninstall unity easily
[19:08] <zolw> unity runs on gnome, classic mode is "gnome" without unity
[19:08] <coz_> bhaskar,   I prefer  classic gnome... anyone with a monitor larger than 15"  is wasteing time      with Unity
[19:09] <bhaskar> coz_, yes that's what I feel too, it's too 'netbookish'
[19:09] <zolw> true...good with shortcuts though
[19:10] <coz_> bhaskar,  well the biggest issue with Unity is global menu ,, it will considerably slow down work time by at least 1/3  with monitors larger than 15"
[19:10] <bhaskar> zolw, so it would be right to just call Unity a shell rather than a full desktop environment?
[19:11] <coz_> bhaskar,   unity does have the advantage over gnome3  in that mutter has been replaced with compiz  ,, a far superior compositor
[19:11] <dios_mio> unity blows! (do you get that often?_
[19:11] <zolw> bhaskar yeah as far as i know it is a shell for the gnome environment
[19:11] <bhaskar> coz_, I'm yet to try out  gnome3, but looking at the videos it looks pretty cool! :D
[19:12] <coz_> bhaskar,  gnome3 is a real resource hog
[19:12] <bhaskar> zolw, cool thanks for the answer :)
[19:13] <bhaskar> coz_, well it figures since it's so new
[19:14] <coz_> bhaskar,  new ?  well sort of,,  last year I tried it with the same results
[19:14] <coz_> bhaskar,  in all honesty compiz is a far superior  compositor  in every respect
[19:14] <zolw> unity is pretty good if you wanna run something quickly though, since you can press metakey, type the first few letters of the program press enter and it will run it for you
[19:14] <bhaskar> coz_, maybe since it's more mature?
[19:15] <coz_> bhaskar,  well no.. its just a bad compositor ,, had they stuck with going towards  "clever windows"  concept for gnome3  they would have had a running chance of competeing with compiz
[19:16] <coz_> bhaskar,  just google   gnome3   clever windows  video
[19:16] <bhaskar> zolw, yes but it's a pain if you don't know the program's name, the list doesn't show all programs (for me at least)
[19:16] <bhaskar> coz_, thanks I'll check it out :)
[19:18] <bhaskar> ok time to go, laters and thanks for the help :)
[19:19] <unityproblem> can anyone help me to setup a samba server??
[19:19] <unityproblem> anybody here??
[19:24] <nononicknick> im having an issue on my desktop with beta2. when i start my pc the very first thing i get is an error from my monitor about the input signal, i have to press the spacebar or return key and it takes forever to load
[19:25] <nononicknick> i see some other users experiencing this but im not sure if this is an issue with my graphics card or a bug with beta2, 10.04 i didnt not experience this
[19:27] <golden> hi
[19:28] <golden> does anybody know how I can get unity back ?
[19:28] <golden> I really don't understand why, but at the boot, it doesn't boot on unity desktop, and it doesn't seems to be a graphic problem
[19:30] <lcb> golden, did you select Ubuntu from login?
[19:30] <lcb> golden, fist of all... are you running it from a virtual machine?
[19:31] <golden> no virtual machine
[19:31] <golden> and yes, I've select ubuntu on login
[19:31] <lcb> golden, 1st time run or you just lost unity features?
[19:31] <golden> I lost it
[19:32] <lcb> golden, try this.. '$ unity --reset-icons '
[19:32] <golden> just tried it ^^
[19:32] <golden> I've an compiz error :s
[19:32] <golden> Fatal: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing
[19:32] <lcb> golden, how did you "lose it"
[19:33] <golden> just reboot
[19:33] <golden> maybe the update did that
[19:33] <golden> well I restart X
[19:33] <lcb> golden, so that happened after an update...
[19:34] <golden> I did the update this morning
[19:34] <golden> maybe I didn't reboot, I don't remember
[19:34] <golden> you know with all that suspend stuff
[19:34] <golden> I come back, I did what you did, let's restart X
[19:34] <lcb> golden, last (about) 3 sets of updates did mess some things, but not like losing menus or alike
[19:38] <golden> well, it didn't worked :(
[19:40] <lcb> golden, the common sense things... ' sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get check && sudo apt-get -f install ' to start
[19:40] <golden> I did
[19:41] <lcb> golden, maximize terminal windows then sudo dpkg-reconfigure compiz
[19:42] <lcb> golden, sudo dpkg-reconfigure nautilus
[19:43] <golden> ok
[19:43] <golden> and then ?
[19:43] <golden> killall Xorg and see what's happens?
[19:43] <rocky> why is it if i create a shortcut on my desktop, setup a nice pretty icon for launching emacs in a special configuration... and then if i double-click on it and it launches and a new entry appears in the unity launcher on the left-side .. it uses the icon for "emacs" instead of the nice pretty icon i setup for the desktop shortcut?
[19:44] <lcb> golden, well, i would reconfigure main packages. do you have any proprietary display driver installed?
[19:44] <golden> I use NVIDIA's one
[19:44] <golden> it worked great with it, I have somes issues with nouveau
[19:44] <lcb> golden, i guess the probs started after you activate that one, wasn't?!
[19:45] <golden> no, I actived it "a long time ago"
[19:45] <lcb> golden, i would start small then, with default/generi drivers. to do that run failsafeX and chose default configuration.
[19:46] <golden> hum, I won't boot on unity
[19:46] <lcb> golden, * since you played already with a couple drivers, that's why i would do that
[19:46] <golden> ok
[19:46] <lcb> golden, wait
[19:46] <golden> when I "unity --reset", it send me :
[19:47] <golden> Compiz (opengl) - Fatal: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing
[19:47] <golden> Compiz (opengl) - Fatal: Software rendering detected
[19:47] <lcb> golden, why you say u don't boot in unity?
[19:47] <golden> it won't if I use generic driver
[19:47] <golden> no?
[19:47] <lcb> golden, that's why i sugested reconfigure compiz
[19:48] <golden> well, so I boot on failsafeX and I come back?
[19:48] <lcb> golden, i guess so, it's a matter of trying.
[19:48] <golden> ok, I'm coming back :)
[19:48] <golden> bye
[19:48] <golden> and thanks
[19:48] <lcb> golden, d i believe u have ur system updates/graded..
[19:51] <golden> the "unity --reset" still doesn't works
[19:51] <golden> but not for the same reasons
[19:51] <mekeor> here, on http://ftp.stw-bonn.de/ubuntu-cd//natty/ , i can download the latest 11.04-beta, right?
[19:52] <golden> Traceback (most recent call last):
[19:52] <golden>   File "/usr/bin/unity", line 198, in <module>
[19:52] <golden>     reset_unity_compiz_profile ()
[19:52] <golden>   File "/usr/bin/unity", line 83, in reset_unity_compiz_profile
[19:52] <golden>     if current_profile_gconfvalue.get_string() == 'unity':
[19:52] <golden> AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'get_string'
[19:52] <lcb> golden, are you mixing repos? like 10* and 11*?
[19:52] <golden> wait I check
[19:53] <golden> well mekeor, the last beta is BETA 2, so yes you can download it on that page
[19:53] <mekeor> golden: thank you very much :)
[19:53] <lcb> golden, i were reading something and that particular issue happens when are more that one version of some compiz files
[19:53] <torchie> do I have to install support for ACPI on HP devices separately?
[19:53] <torchie> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/maverick/man4/acpi_hp.4freebsd.html
[19:54] <torchie> I just found this page
[19:54] <torchie> and was wondering if it may be linked to my battery issues
[19:54] <golden> lcb, I don't have many repos : medibuntu 11.04's repos, and chrome's repos
[19:55] <lcb> golden, and then ALL Natty's, isn't?
[19:55] <lcb> no 10.10 etc
[19:55] <golden> chrome's doesn't seems specific to natty
[19:55] <golden> but it was here before my problem
[19:55] <golden> and I didn't made chrome's update recently
[19:56] <lcb> golden, btw, you have chromium in natty, not chrome
[19:56] <lcb> install it from natty's repo, not from google
[19:56] <golden> yes I know that, but I installed chrome about the pdf reader
[19:56] <lcb> golden, i would try removing all compiz related packages and reinstall them
[19:57] <lcb> but again, do --purge remove
[19:57] <golden> isn't that dangerous, to install all compiz package ?
[19:57] <golden> uninstall*
[19:57] <torchie> is the only way to install acpi_hp through editing the kernel configuration file
[19:57] <lcb> i don't think so, anyone?? any opinion?
[19:57] <lcb> that were for golden..
[19:57] <unityproblem> hello
[19:58] <unityproblem> i am not able to install samba server on my pc can anyone help??
[19:58] <golden> just unityproblem, the pc you want to use samba with
[19:58] <lcb> golden, do it in synaptic. if you see a lot of packages removed do the remove only, not the complete remove
[19:58] <golden> which version of windows is on it?
[19:59] <unityproblem> golden what do u mean?
[19:59] <golden> unityproblem, you want samba to comunicate with a windows's computer ? which version is it?
[19:59] <step21> lcb, there is a chrome repo. I am using it
[19:59] <lcb> unityproblem, in terminal type ' sudo tasksel '
[19:59] <lcb> step21, not supported by natty
[19:59] <unityproblem> no its ubuntu natty
[20:00] <step21> lcb, but it works ...
[20:00] <golden> if it's seven, just stop right now, I've never succeded on making seven and ubuntu communicate
[20:00] <lcb> step21, but no guaranties
[20:00] <golden> well unityproblem, I'll test to reinstall compiz
[20:01] <unityproblem> what do i do?
[20:01] <golden> oh sorry
[20:01] <golden> I wanted to speack to lcb
[20:01] <lcb> golden, if is that bad i would do that. look, is that a "workin" machine?
[20:01] <golden> lcb, it's a test machine
[20:01] <unityproblem> golden what do i do?
[20:01] <pluc> Hey folks. I seem to have misplaced my CTRL+C binding. It doesn't do anything anymore - but simply highlighting text will copy it. How can I restore the Copy key binding?
[20:02] <lcb> golden, ohh so... keep testing :)
[20:02] <golden> I don't know unityproblem sorry
[20:02] <unityproblem> ok!
[20:02] <golden> but what's your problem with samba?
[20:02] <lcb> unityproblem, installing samba?
[20:02] <lcb> :)
[20:02] <unityproblem> lcb yes..
[20:03] <unityproblem> Errors were encountered while processing:
[20:03] <unityproblem>  postfix
[20:03] <unityproblem> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[20:03] <unityproblem> this comes up..
[20:03] <lcb> unityproblem, i told you... on a terminal window, type 'sudo tasksel'
[20:03] <unityproblem> sudo taskel command not found
[20:03] <JeroenM> Guys, I can't start Ubuntu 11.04, when its loading after about 3 minutes it states something about an pci/usb port like 3000 times
[20:04] <lcb> unityproblem, update, upgrade and dist-upgrade before anything else
[20:04] <lcb> unityproblem, sudo tasksel
[20:04] <unityproblem> ok.. ill try it tommrw thanks btw!
[20:05] <golden> lcb, is there a log
[20:05] <golden> of last update?
[20:05] <JeroenM> I think its kernel related since both the latest Fedora and Ubuntu cant boot and state the same problem
[20:05] <lcb> golden, put like this in mr google and see what is there.. " Compiz (opengl) - Fatal: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing"
[20:05] <hardcold> I just noticed the overlay scrolling is gone.  Please don't make me have to ban you.
[20:08] <IdleOne> :)
[20:08] <hardcold> oh, I am sorry
[20:09] <golden> hum lcb : "try this LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 compiz --replace ccp"
[20:09] <golden> do you have any idea of where I should put that command?
[20:09] <lcb> hardcold, i would start from here. http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/unity-keyboard-mouse-shortcuts/28087#28087
[20:09] <lcb> hardcold, read also the links on the top of page.
[20:10] <lcb> golden, yeap, that's one of the approaches i saw too
[20:10] <hardcold> lcd, this will tell me how to disable notifications in Banshee?
[20:11] <hardcold> it's a list of keybaord shortcuts
[20:12] <lcb> hardcold, no, that would answer you a lot of the dozens of questions and doubts you put here last couple hours :)
[20:12] <hardcold> lcd, are you confusing me with someone else?
[20:13] <hardcold> lcd, what are these "dozens of questions" that would be solved with a list of keybaord shortcuts?
[20:14] <hardcold> or one for that matter
[20:14] <lcb> hardcold, i did past you that link about an hr ago, then you had one of the crashes and probably you didn't see it
[20:14] <torchie> huh.
[20:15] <torchie> my battery indicator applet shows two "laptop battery is charged"s
[20:15] <hardcold> my system has crashed quite a few times today, so, I'm sure I've missed lots of things
[20:15] <hardcold> still wondering what question I asked a list of keybaord shortcuts would help with, let alone the "dozens" you refer to
[20:16] <lcb> torchie, that's among next generation computer. quad core, dual monitor, dual battery... :p
[20:16] <torchie> lol
[20:16] <torchie> now if only it would dual-indicate the battery percentage properly and not shut down when I unplug it for five minutes
[20:18] <nononicknick> is there any effort or talk about incorporating the application menu into the unity menu. Like the older style menu
[20:18] <lcb> nononicknick, as far as i know, not
[20:19] <torchie> hmm apparently there's a bios update for the dv6000
[20:19] <nononicknick> its not very user friendly, and the menu shown in the right hand corner of the unity menu is.. ugly
[20:19] <nononicknick> not very useful
[20:19] <lcb> nononicknick, you could add it though
[20:19] <torchie> to windows!
[20:19] <step21> nononicknick, looks the same to me ... what menu do you mean?
[20:20] <nononicknick> on 10.10 when you clicked the ubuntu logo the old applciation menu
[20:20] <golden> lcb, I just chercked
[20:20] <golden> and on this morning's update
[20:20] <golden> there were compiz
[20:20] <nononicknick> step21, if that makes sense
[20:20] <step21> nononicknick, but that's not on the right ...
[20:20] <KM0201> noticed that to.
[20:20] <lcb> yes, a lot, golden. last night in fact
[20:21] <golden> maybe I should just wait
[20:21] <golden> and it would works
[20:21] <nononicknick> step21, you can get to it .. click into unity menu, click find apps, right hand side very top has a link for all applications. Its hidden
[20:21] <KM0201> there were a ton of updates last night, and also several this morning.
[20:21] <nononicknick> and not very useful
[20:21] <lcb> golden, must of updates last night messed a bit with the environment, in some strange ways
[20:21] <KM0201> libre office has been updated extensively 3x the last 3 updates (or so i've noticed)
[20:22] <KM0201> lcb: what do you mean?... i've not noticed anything weird really
[20:22] <lcb> KM0201, about ah hour ago, yes
[20:22] <golden> what's the command to check if the graphic acceleration works?
[20:22] <nononicknick> when the final release is dropped, is it recomeneded to just keep updating from beta, or should you do a fresh install ?
[20:22] <lcb> KM0201, a lot of ppl did ;)
[20:22] <KM0201> hmm, well i'm running another round of upgrades now, so we'll see...lol
[20:23] <step21> nononicknick, for me it just allows to search through all apps, but you can do that anyway
[20:24] <nononicknick> step21, how? how do you do it
[20:24] <step21> super + type app you want
[20:24] <golden> you just search and the dash
[20:24] <nononicknick> well yeah i can search for them, but i want to see a menu like listing.
[20:24] <nononicknick> apps that i cant remember the name of, but can spot the icon or remember when i see them
[20:25] <KM0201> uh oh, got an error code on the update...
[20:25] <zolw> nononicknick: try super-a
[20:25] <golden> nononicknick, no you still can't do that
[20:25] <nononicknick> golden, is this something your interested in also
[20:25] <step21> okay ... maybe someone will make a unity menu-thingy.
[20:25] <picca> anyone here having character encoding issues on the command line .. some of my music filenames now show with odd characters like Bj├╢rk instead of Bjork as it is in ubuntu 10.10
[20:26] <golden> nononicknick, not really, the software center is just great for that
[20:26] <KM0201> any ideas?   http://pastebin.com/PQiXqZWB
[20:26] <step21> (for in the launcher f.e.)
[20:26] <lcb> nononicknick, you want gnome style menu besides unity's?
[20:26] <KM0201> that error in the update, could very well be the reason for the GUI going nanners.
[20:27] <KM0201> but surely others would've noticed it?
[20:27] <golden> you don't install software everytimes, so you don't need an option to do that everytimes, right nononicknick ?
[20:27] <nononicknick> lcb, a listing of all the install apps, possibly categorized like before. Rather or not its u....
[20:27] <nononicknick> trying to update, comptuer just crashed
[20:27] <nononicknick> i cant see antyhing
[20:27] <KM0201> brb...
[20:27] <lcb> nononicknick, Go to Applications | Themes & Tweaks | Startup Applications | Add -> Name: Bottom Gnome Panel ; Command: gnome-panel  | (then) On the panel click Properties and besides 'Hide' arrange the menus in a way that do not overlap Natty's.
[20:27] <golden> oh, I didn't understood
[20:28] <lcb> nononicknick, you want that being a floating panel too?
[20:30] <KM0201> did you guys get that "apport' failing to upgrade?
[20:31] <step21> no ...
[20:31] <grusum> KM0201: yes- a few minutes ago
[20:31] <KM0201> do you  have to have a launchpad accountm, to use the "Report a bug" feature?
[20:31] <mikehh> just had a failure with updat6e to apport in update-manager
[20:32] <KM0201> grusum: i figured it wasn't just me... even if step21 tried to convince me.. :)
[20:32] <KM0201> mikehh: yeah..
[20:32] <grusum> KM0201: wasn't  just u... still can't run Gimp here either
[20:33] <KM0201> honestly (maybe i'm incredibly lucky) thats the first problem iv'e had since installing the beta
[20:33] <nononickname> just tried to update and my entire pc froze, X borked out on me
[20:33] <step21> mmmh ... shortest command to remove all of libre office?
[20:33] <nononickname> screen went waky
[20:33] <KM0201> grusum: yeah, it looks like its a gtk error... so that wouldn't surprise me... pidgin may not work either, if you have that
[20:33] <KM0201> hmm.. no, pidgin works
[20:34] <mikehh> invoke-rc.d: initscript apport, action "start" failed
[20:34] <grusum> KM0201: dont hv pidgin but would be nice to have Gimp as I used it frequently - very delighted with the new KDE in 11.04
[20:34] <nononickname> lcb, inside unity menu would be nice
[20:34] <KM0201> pidgin is working... just used it.
[20:34] <zolw> I tried to update and it told me i had no internet... hmmmm something tells me thats not true
[20:34] <lcb> nononickname, no, for that you have to pay extra
[20:35] <lcb> nononickname, did you do what i wrote?
[20:35] <nononickname> my update was frozen, then pc crashed, now requesting i do a partial upgrade
[20:35] <nononickname> lcb, no not yet
[20:35] <KM0201> grusum: GIMP opened up fine for me
[20:36] <hardcold> anyone know about cursor jiggle?
[20:36] <grusum> KM0201: on launchpad there is a bug filed and yesterday there were 4 people affected - bug not assigned yet
[20:36] <lcb> nononickname, from that panel put only things you really need, so it will be somehow short. if you want that panel to float so you'll have the tree menu wherever you want that could be done too.
[20:36] <KM0201> grusum: well, i just logged it as well, so i'm guessing i'll be added soon.. :)
[20:37] <grusum> KM0201: Gimp works fine on my netbook just not my latest computer
[20:37] <KM0201> grusum: go figure
[20:37] <nononickname> when the icons in the side bar wiggle at you ... are you supposed to be able to click them? like when an app wants your attention it wiggles out
[20:39] <nononickname> you would think the libreoffice icons would be combined into one icon, three icons take up a lot of screen real estate
[20:40] <zolw> i only ever use one of them anyway!
[20:40] <zolw> nononicknick: that is a good idea though, then have one of those new quicklists to choose the one you want
[20:41] <nononickname> zolw, yeah
[20:41] <nononickname> zolw, im going to put this up on brain storm, give me a moment and i will link you
[20:42] <nononickname> god i wish SSO worked with brainstorm / ideatorrent
[20:42] <Nalf> Hello, I'm having an issue getting 11.04 to detect my microphone. I have no connector option in the sound properties and when attempting to use the mic it just relays whatever is going through my speakers. Any ideas would be much appreciated. :)
[20:44] <Lemmiwinks> hi I got a problem, my gnome classic session does not respect the settings in the gconf keys "desktop->gnome->session->required_components"
[20:44] <zolw> Nalf: Have you tried playing with the "alsamixer" in terminal (if you have it)?
[20:44] <Lemmiwinks> changing the values does not change anything
[20:45] <Lemmiwinks> i.e. I set the panel to avant-window-navigator but still it starts with gnome-panel
[20:46] <Nalf> zolw: I have it open, but I'm not sure exactly what i'm looking for here. My microphone volume appears to be set to 100.
[20:46] <frith> is there a way to install apport/gtk package or should i wait for a fix?
[20:46] <robin0800> Lemmiwinks, try using ubuntu-tweak
[20:46] <Lemmiwinks> robin0800, already tried it but it does not help
[20:47] <robin0800> frith, I've just filed a bug because it fails to install here
[20:48] <zolw> Nalf: In theory pressing F3 thats the playback volume, and pressing F4 thats the capture volume. So you should be able to turn down the playback - but on mine the are linked and move together
[20:48] <Nalf> zolw: Still at 100.
[20:48] <frith> robin0800, i figured i wouldn't be the first person
[20:49] <Nalf> If I go into my sound preferences and input I was under the impression it should give me an option for a 'connector' or something of the sort.
[20:49] <Nalf> That's what people keep referencing in the forums, but I don't have that option at all.
[20:50] <zolw> Nalf: Can you not adjust the level with your arrow keys then?