 :P
[07:10] <robertj> my key is apathy
[07:10] <ogra_ibook> Robot101, exactly :)
[07:11] <robertj> although I do remember about 6 years ago one dist-upgrade decided base needed to go
[07:11] <ogra_ibook> my key is cherrypicking from the held back packages#
[07:12] <tseng> i dont have anything held back
[07:12] <tseng> last was gnome-cups
[07:12] <ogra_ibook> i installed flight 2 on this lappie yesterday, there was a lot held back
[07:13] <ogra_ibook> (not anymore though)
[07:35] <hub> robertj: locales does not install for me
[07:35] <hub> I filed a bug
[07:37] <ogra_ibook> does not install for you ? or does not set the locales ?
[07:38] <hub> fails to install
[07:38] <ogra_ibook> oh, odd ...
[07:38] <hub> I filed a bugzilla
[07:38] <ogra_ibook> works fine here
[07:38] <hub> yeah I know
[07:38] <ogra_ibook> i just have to run locale-gen manually
[07:38] <hub> can't
[07:47] <robertj> how's your new laptop?
[07:49] <hub> robertj: fast
[07:49] <ogra_ibook> hub, hwat is it ?
[07:49] <ogra_ibook> *what
[07:49] <robertj> yeah, I upgraded from a 1.6ghz celeron to a 1.4 ghz celeron and was shocked at the speed increase, I'm sure yours had to be substantial ;)
[07:49] <robertj> btw, I still really like my G3 900 ibook when it is working
[07:49] <hub> ogra_ibook: ibm z60t
[07:50] <ogra_ibook> cool
[07:50] <robertj> it's been back twice for the logic board and now I've got a power adapter I have to order but work is footing the bill, otherwise I'd be mad
[07:50] <hub> robertj: from g3/400 to Centrino 1.73
[07:50] <ogra_ibook> i got me this shiny G4 ibook :)
[07:50] <hub> ogra_ibook: with the unsupported wireless?
[07:51] <ogra_ibook> got it working fine now
[07:51] <ogra_ibook> just compiled the latest bcm43xx trunk
[07:52] <ogra_ibook> the one in the 2.6.15-9 package locked my system ...
[07:52] <robertj> what I want to know is if the intel ibook will have two mouse buttons, if I so I think that may be my next work laptop, otherwise it will probably be a tablet model
[07:53] <ogra_ibook> call apple and ask ;)
[07:53] <ogra_ibook> i have no prob using the synaptics driver over here ... so i got virtually 3 mouse buttons
[07:54] <robertj> I don't like the touch to click, I always turn it off
[07:55] <robertj> yup, locals busted here as well
[07:55] <tuhl> is this a know bug in the devel branch: cupsd is always exiting
[07:55] <robertj> err locales
[07:55] <robertj> and yup, running it by hand is still b0rk
[07:56] <ogra_ibook> make sure the langpacks are installed too
[07:57] <hub> robertj: I hate touch to click as well
[07:57] <robertj> it just feels bad to me but I wonder if there are also RSI implications
[07:57] <hub> bugz 21489
[07:58] <ogra_ibook> i prefer it to extensive f12 usage
[07:58] <hub> ogra_ibook: I catch myself doing that on the ibm
[07:58] <robertj> caps lock seems like a good candidate for that
[07:58] <ogra_ibook> heh
[07:58] <hub> robertj: that bug I mentionned is about the locales
[07:58] <robertj> I err...don't know what I do...I guess I hit f12 but maybe I just don't right click...
[07:59] <robertj> touch to scroll however is great
[07:59] <ogra_ibook> ++
[08:03] <robertj> what's going on these days in directory-services land on the integration front?
[08:38] <wasabi_> hahahaha  im on the internet
[08:42] <ogra_ibook> wasabi_, nope... youre wrong, we're all in your lan :P
[08:46] <poningru> http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/clique
[08:51] <wasabi_> haha
[08:57] <mjg59> Hurrah!
[08:58] <mjg59> It says "No Dialtone"
[08:58] <mjg59> Now I just need to plug it into a phoneline and test
[09:00] <hub> poningru: I read that one
[09:13] <mhz> ogra_ibook: I have been told LP is not 'free as in freedom'. Is that so?
[09:14] <ogra_ibook> mhz, yes, it will be GPLed one day
[09:15] <ogra_ibook> mhz, but its currently proprietary software
[09:15] <mhz> ogra_ibook: and why is that Ubuntu people promote and prefer such propietary software to develop Freedom?
[09:16] <ogra_ibook> because it offers functionallity nothing else offers
[09:16] <ogra_ibook> its built around our needs ...
[09:17] <Robot101> because the power of launchpad is that it's one place to track everything
[09:17] <mhz> Track and Tutos do such thing, probably.
[09:17] <ogra_ibook> mhz, dont worry it will become GPL eventually...
[09:17] <mhz> that 'eventually' is my concern
[09:18] <Robot101> mhz: launchpad has more resource to track the development of essentially all free software
[09:18] <mhz> everytime I speak about ubuntu I make emphasis on the 'freedom' part
[09:18] <Robot101> mhz: if it worries you, don't use it until it's free. until then, it might help other people to track stuff...
[09:21] <mhz> Robot101: sure. It is just that I was blind because I took for granted that a development of the high category as ubuntu, and that also promotes freedom of access to knowledge, it was obviously using free software.
[09:21] <ogra_ibook> mhz, ubuntu will be built using 100% launchpad in the future ... launchpad will give you easy features to build a 100% wmaker based edubuntu as youre asking for all the time ;)
[09:28] <Robot101> will a dapper kernel work on breezy? I need some new DVB USB drivers
[09:31] <ogra_ibook> the kernel *might* work ... but i'm not sure if you also have to pull in new udev
[09:45] <Robot101> is there a handy way to make machines e-mail you when new updates become applicable?
[09:55] <mjg59> Robot101: There's a cronjob on the SRCF that does it
[09:59] <Robot101> mjg59: dapper kernel + breezy = win?
[09:59] <mjg59> Robot101: Pretty much
[10:00] <mjg59> Robot101: Oh, and I still need to actually /test/ it, but I may have a (mostly) free driver for the Thinkpad modems
[10:00] <Robot101> cool
[10:00] <hunger_> mjg59: Cool! Where can I get it?
[10:00] <mjg59> hunger_: Hang on :)
[10:01] <mjg59> hunger_: Need to check it works, then I need to hack it so it builds sensibly, then I need to figure out if it works on other chipsets
[10:01] <mjg59> hunger_: What's the PCI ID of your device at 00:1f.6 ?
[10:01] <Robot101> 0000:00:1f.6 0703: 8086:24c6 (rev 01)
[10:01] <mjg59> Robot101: I know what yours is :p
[10:01] <Robot101> :P
[10:01] <hunger_> mjg59: Dunno... let me check the wiki...
[10:02] <Robot101> argh, nieces to bed = crying nearby... upstairs was quiet until now
[10:03] <hunger_> mjg59: lspci says:  0000:00:1e.3 Modem: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Modem Controller (rev 03)
[10:03] <Robot101> hunger_: lspci -n?
[10:03] <hunger_> Robot101: Dunno... no OS on my laptop at the moment...
[10:03] <hunger_> Robot101: LiveCD does not boot on it, so I couldn't fix it yet.
[10:04] <mjg59> hunger_: Ok, not the same as mine, then
[10:04] <mjg59> I'll need to do a couple of quick tests first
[10:08] <mjg59> Gah
[10:08] <hunger> Damn connection...
[10:08] <mjg59> Why does minicom not work?
[10:08] <ogra_ibook> yes, t-online has issues today
[10:08] <hunger> ogra_ibook: I am at 1und1... that has issues every day:-(
[10:09] <ogra_ibook> oh
[10:09] <ogra_ibook> luckily i cant get 1+1 over here
[10:09] <hunger> ogra_ibook: I guess I cause about 4 times thwe traffic due to having to restart downloads then I would do if my connection would stay up for longer then max. 2h.
[10:10] <mjg59> Hmm. It seems keen on "No Dialtone" even when connected to a phoneline
[10:10] <ogra_ibook> thats odd
[10:10] <hunger> mjg59: That is what I get with slmodem on my modem as well:-(
[10:11] <mjg59> hunger: If you don't have a smartlink, that's what you'd expect
[10:11] <hunger> mjg59: Yes... but slmodem used to work with my old laptop (which claimes to be AC97 as well), so I thought it might be worth a try.
[10:12] <mjg59> hunger: Rather, it'll work with anything that properly complies to the MC97 spec, which Conexants don't
[10:14] <hunger> mjg59: "The good thing about standards is that there are so many to misinterpret when convinient.".
[10:14] <mjg59> hunger: Oh, I think this one was deliberate
[10:15] <hunger> mjg59: Misinterpretions often are:-(
[10:15] <ogra_ibook> hmm, g-p-m really needs to look at the time ...
[10:15] <Robot101> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[10:15] <Robot101>   busybox-cvs-initramfs hotplug
[10:15] <Robot101> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[10:15] <Robot101>   busybox-initramfs libsysfs2 linux-image-2.6.15-9-686 pcmciautils
[10:15] <Robot101> The following packages will be upgraded:
[10:15] <Robot101>   grepmap initramfs-tools libselinux1 linux-image-686 module-init-tools
[10:15] <Robot101>   ubuntu-minimal udev
[10:15] <Robot101> what could possibly go wrong? :)
[10:15] <ogra_ibook> my battery still has 1.5h to go but the icon is deep red
[10:16] <ogra_ibook> Robot101, try to omit udev
[10:16] <ogra_ibook> Robot101, the new udev conflicts with hotplug, we dont use it anymore
[10:17] <Robot101> it pulled in udev itself
[10:17] <ogra_ibook> ouch
[10:17] <ogra_ibook> not sure if it will work with breezy then
[10:18] <Robot101> why? that's getting a new udev for me
[10:18] <Robot101> and a new mkinitramfs
[10:18] <Robot101> looks fine to me
[10:18] <ogra_ibook> all the old hotplug stff in the apps will rely on hotplug being there ...
[10:19] <Robot101> what hotplug stuff in the apps?
[10:19] <ogra_ibook> dunno, i transitioned kino which has issue with the hotplug scripts for example
[10:19] <Robot101> robot101@thubuntu:/etc/hotplug$ dpkg -S /etc/hotplug
[10:19] <Robot101> libsane, hotplug, libgphoto2-2, alsa-base, linux-sound-base: /etc/hotplug
[10:19] <mjg59> ogra_ibook: If they do, then dependencies aren't tight enough
[10:19] <Robot101> those things?
[10:20] <ogra_ibook> it expects certain hotplug scripts to be there for jogdial stuff
[10:20] <mjg59> ogra_ibook: Can you file a bug, then?
[10:20] <ogra_ibook> dunno which other apps might have issues, but i suspect there are more
[10:20] <mjg59> If the system is in a consistent state, then things should work
[10:20] <mjg59> If they don't, it's a failure in our packaging
[10:20] <ogra_ibook> mjg59, since i care for kino, i'll just fix it with the next upload ;)
[10:21] <Robot101> ogra_ibook: fix it with correct dependencies too though :)
[10:21] <ogra_ibook> mjg59, if apps put stuff in /etc/hotplug.d they wont know its gone in breezy
[10:21] <Robot101> ogra_ibook: yes, so they should depend on hotplug
[10:21] <mjg59> ogra_ibook: Then udev needs to conflict with those packages
[10:21] <Robot101> or that :)
[10:22] <mjg59> Though yes, the correct behaviour was for them to depend on hotplug
[10:22] <mjg59> (There are exceptions for packages that are essential, which makes life more awkward)
[10:22] <Robot101> hmm, bringing dapper near my sources list has an interesting effect on my half-baked dbus situation
[10:23] <ogra_ibook> what means "near my sources.list" ?
[10:23] <ogra_ibook> ah
[10:23] <ogra_ibook> :)
[10:23] <Robot101> I rolled my own dbus 0.60 packages
[10:24] <mjg59> Robot101: I have a broken hal-device-manager now. I blame you.
[10:24] <Robot101> mjg59: fix it to make async method calls from signal callbacks
[10:25] <ogra_ibook> mjg59, blame launchpad ;)
[10:25] <ogra_ibook> its missing some lpi stuff
[10:25] <mjg59> ogra_ibook: No, dbus is broken...
[10:26] <ogra_ibook> inbreezy ?
[10:26] <Robot101> no, J5 added a deadlock to the python bindings
[10:26] <ogra_ibook> works fine for g-p-m and other stuff in dapper
[10:27] <mjg59> ogra_ibook: They're not using the python bindings
[10:28] <ogra_ibook> ah,k i get only errors about lpi if i start it from commandline
[10:28] <Robot101> mjg59: you have to admit, making blocking method calls on dbus before showing any UI is broken behaviour anyway
[10:29] <mjg59> This driver is blatantly not working
[10:29] <mjg59> Either that or this cable is gash
[10:44] <hub> mhz_thinking: Mark said that LP would be released under GPL when it is releasable
[10:44] <hub> mhz_thinking: that is what he told people to UBZ
[10:44] <hub> mjg59: where is a bluetooth controller? Can't find at neither on USB nor on PCI
[10:44] <hub> mjg59: nor the modem
[10:45] <mjg59> hub: Generally USB
[10:45] <mjg59> The modem will be hanging off the southbridge
[10:45] <hub> how will I find it?
[10:48] <mjg59> Which? The modem or the bluetooth?
[10:49] <hub> modme
[10:49] <mjg59> You don't, as such
[10:49] <hub> ah
[10:49] <mjg59> It's an MC97 codec
[10:49] <hub> on the ISA?
[10:49] <mjg59> No
[10:49] <mjg59> On the AC97 bus
[10:49] <mjg59> Easiest way to find out what is to grab ScanModem (google for it)
[10:50] <hub> ok
[10:50] <hub> btw, I don't even have a RJ-11 cable
[10:50] <hub> cheap
[10:50] <mjg59> Ha
[10:50] <mjg59> That's pretty poor
[10:50] <hub> really
[10:51] <hub> mjg59: would the modem work with free driver?
[10:52] <mjg59> hub: There are no free drivers
[10:52] <mjg59> Closest you have is an open kernel part and closed userspace part
[10:52] <hub> grrr
[10:52] <mjg59> Run scanmodem, and see what chipset it claims you have
[10:52] <hub> nevermind
[10:53] <hub> mjg59: about to do
[11:01] <hub> mjg59: it claims that it has a pcmcia modem
[11:01] <hub> LtModem agere/lucent
[11:07] <mjg59> pcmcia?
[11:07] <mjg59> Seriously?
[11:07] <mjg59> Not PCI?
[11:08] <Amaranth> doesn't the linuxant driver has lots of GPL violations?
[11:10] <mjg59> Amaranth: Yes
[11:10] <Amaranth> have the authors of the stolen bits of code been notified?
[11:13] <mjg59> Yes


[08:29] <TemperoR> yo tjaal
[08:29] <TemperoR> I think I have what I was looking for
[08:29] <TemperoR> W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/i915/kbl_dmc_ver1_01.bin for module i915 W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/i915/kbl_guc_ver9_14.bin for module i915 W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/i915/bxt_guc_ver8_7.bin for module i915 W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/i915/skl_guc_ver6_1.bin for module i915
[08:29] <tjaalton> no
[08:29] <TemperoR> that was when I upgraded
[08:29] <TemperoR> the kernel
[08:29] <tjaalton> you don't need that
[08:29] <tjaalton> for booting up
[08:30] <TemperoR> oh
[08:30] <TemperoR> okay well then the update to the kernel didn't work
[08:30] <tjaalton> ok, then upstream needs to know about it. bugs.freedesktop.org
[08:30] <tjaalton> DRI/intel
[08:31] <TemperoR> cool
[08:31] <TemperoR> thanks man will report it
[08:31] <TemperoR> what is the command to purge the kernel?
[08:31] <tjaalton> dpkg --purge ...
[08:31] <TemperoR> okay ty
[08:32] <TemperoR> vmlinuz-4.8.0-994-generic
[08:32] <TemperoR> purge that
[08:33] <tjaalton> no
[08:33] <tjaalton> linux-image...
[08:33] <TemperoR> or this
[08:33] <TemperoR> okay sec
[08:33] <TemperoR> linux-image-4.8.0-994-generic_4.8.0-994.201609262201_amd64.deb
[08:34] <tjaalton> no
[08:34] <tjaalton> not full filename
[08:34] <tjaalton> just linux-image-4.8.0-994-generic
[08:34] <TemperoR> just linux-image-4.8.0-994-generic
[08:34] <TemperoR> okay ty
[08:39] <TemperoR> okay purged
[08:39] <TemperoR> You don't think there is something I might be doing something wrong?
[08:39] <TemperoR> like a possible missing driver
[08:40] <tjaalton> no
[08:41] <tjaalton> that pciid is supported, I have it on my desktop
[08:41] <tjaalton> running xenial
[08:41] <tjaalton> try a live image witih uefi
[08:41] <tjaalton> -i
[08:44] <TemperoR> as a point of interest
[08:44] <TemperoR> my colleague downstairs
[08:44] <TemperoR> tested on virtual box booting into my server and it worked completely fine.
[08:44] <TemperoR> with the correct res and everything
[08:44] <TemperoR> -i
[08:45] <tjaalton> what does virtualbox have to do with real hw?
[08:46] <TemperoR> just as a point of interest
[08:46] <TemperoR> it doesn't
[08:48] <TemperoR> btw you said that the pciid is also supported by the 4.4 kernel correct?
[08:48] <tjaalton> yes
[08:48] <TemperoR> you just wanted me to test the 4.8
[08:48] <tjaalton> because 4.4 didn't work for you
[08:48] <TemperoR> yes
[08:49] <TemperoR> you want me to do a live boot on this PC with ubuntu
[08:49] <tjaalton> yep
[08:49] <tjaalton> and uefi
[08:49] <TemperoR> well with uefi enabled
[08:50] <TemperoR> makes sense
[08:50] <TemperoR> that way we can rule out whether the ltsp is causing issues
[08:50] <TemperoR> because atm, I'm using legacy
[08:50] <TemperoR> on the bios on this PC
[08:50] <TemperoR> so I will try uefi
[23:28] <furkan> tjaalton: any plans to put out Xorg 1.18.4 for Xenial? would be nice to resolve the glamor glyph corruption issue in LibreOffice... it makes some dialog boxes basically unusable
[23:29] <furkan> maybe in X staging PPA if you would prefer further testing?
[23:30] <furkan> oh i see it's in xenial-proposed already


[08:33] <seb128> is there a difference between the arm64 buildds env and what one gets with a canonicalstack instance? trying to investigate bug #1976288 which one of the libsdl tests segfault on the builders but it is fine on canonicalstack :/
[08:38] <jugmac00> I am afraid this is something only Colin would be able to answer and he is ooo until Monday.
[08:43] <seb128> jugmac00, thanks, there is no hurry, I will ask again next week
[14:37] <tsimonq2> Hey, is my IP blocked? I'm trying to work on uploading packages to a CI train PPA... my personal gigabit network doesn't work for uploading via dput but every other network apparently does...
[14:37] <tsimonq2> Probably the only person in Green Bay, WI uploading to a PPA :P
[15:17] <shaner> Looking for some help re: 2fa reset.
[15:18] <shaner> 2FA reset?
[15:22] <jhutchins> shaner: What did you try to do?  How did you try to do it?  What did you expect to happen?  What happened instead?
[15:24] <shaner> jhutchins, Tried to login to launchpad.
[15:24] <shaner> Could not login due to having to replace my phone (2fa device).
[15:25] <shaner> I need help from someone on the launchpad team to temporarily disable my 2fa device so I can re-add it.
[15:27] <jugmac00> Please have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSO/FAQs/2FactorAuthentication
[15:28] <shaner> hm. Guess I'm SOL then.
[15:28] <shaner> thanks
[15:53] <jhutchins> The joys of 2fa.
[18:15] <Eickmeyer> Is there a reason why roughly half of lcy02 is on Manual?
[18:16] <tsimonq2> c_jwatson mentioned builder maintenance at some point
[18:16] <tsimonq2> I'd like to assume they're still hard at work :)
[18:18] <Eickmeyer> Oh fun. I've got builds to do with ${DAYJOB} :P
[18:18] <Eickmeyer> But, I'm patient. :)
[18:21] <sarnold> I'm not directly involved in it but I think I saw discussion that some aspect of the system had both throughput and capacity problems, and limiting the number of builders available made the whole thing more reliable
[18:23] <Eickmeyer> Sure, I imagine that would be wrt lgw, mostly.
[18:23] <Eickmeyer> Since lgw is completely gone at this point.
[18:27] <sarnold> there's also data center moves and cloud moves in play
[18:27] <sarnold> missing lgw feels more likely to be decommissioning
[18:31] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, that's true.
[19:34]  * tsimonq2 wonders what progress could be made given there's a lot of private builds happening right now
[19:34] <tsimonq2> CI train PPA is backed up for 30 minutes at least
[19:39]  * tsimonq2 sees several snap builds running for 14 hours with  Revoking proxy token...
[19:39] <tsimonq2>  Started 14 hours ago
[19:39] <tsimonq2> Estimated finish 14 hours ago


[01:26] <GridCube> im getting constant spam from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:30] <pangolin> nick?
[01:30] <pangolin> and what kind of spam?
[01:31] <yagoo> got a pm "<reggaL> Does QQ http://www.imqq.com have spyware? I'm asking because Chinese anti-virus software says it is and it has a very contradictive EULA."
[01:31] <yagoo> reggal happens to be in #ubuntu room
[01:31] <yagoo> (i also told #freenode)
[01:32] <GridCube> pangolin, i get an question and if i reply it starts to dump random colored blocks, its reggaL lke yagoo's
[01:33] <yagoo> i already told #freenode too GridCube
[01:33] <GridCube> :) good
[01:33] <yagoo> :)
[01:33] <yagoo> actually u should tell #freenode.. and tell them u see him in #ubuntu as well
[01:33] <yagoo> reggal is still lingering..
[01:34] <yagoo> that message he sent is 100% spam from a linux standpoint (at least from linux channels)
[01:35] <yagoo> (and not all channels are linux)
[01:44] <gry> yahoo, GridCube: what's up?
[01:45] <gry> yagoo **
[01:46] <GridCube> a guy/bot called reggaL, is PM'ing me and yagoo whit random questions, if you answer it starts to dump random blocks of colored text after saying "I'm your worst nightmare"
[01:46] <gry> he's not in the channel anymore GridCube ?
[01:47] <GridCube> [reggaL] (~wheezy@pool-173-67-169-37.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net): Regrunio
[01:47] <pangolin> gry: I removed them from #ubuntu, they are in #debian also. not sure if anybody there is getting pm's
[01:49] <GridCube> there it just pm'd me again
[01:49] <gry> this does not look like an #ubuntu issue anymore
[01:57] <pangolin> GridCube: Thanks for looking out but if you could /part this channel that would be great :) feel free to return if you need help from us again.
[01:58] <GridCube> :) yes sorry i was doing something else
[01:58] <pangolin> no problem
[01:58] <GridCube> thank you
 im stuck! how do i run a virtual machine of my physical ubuntu hard disk partition in a vmware? i need to double my ubuntu processing power to do some graphical processing?
[02:47] <bazhang> he had tons of warnings, and a PM
[03:30] <bazhang> he's had a remove, as well as several warnings. no response via PM.
[10:27] <jforjackjohnson> Why is it telling me to reg my name? And also, I'm back and very VERY bored of this debacle.
[10:28] <jforjackjohnson> Also, to Myrtti, can I speak to your supervisor?
[10:30] <jforjackjohnson> Tuesday this week, I was on blacklist.
[10:31] <jforjackjohnson> Parlez si'l vous plait. (and don't worry, I'm not stupid!)
[10:34] <topyli> doubtsUbuntu: what is telling you to register?
[10:39] <bazhang> #ubuntu-unregged presumably
[10:47] <topyli> i don't know. something triggers something and throws you there
[10:47] <topyli> it's something to do with technology
[10:50] <topyli> doubtsUbuntu: as for operators and situations where you don't get along with them, the best approximate to a "supervisor" is probably the irc council
[10:50] <topyli> i'd let some other operator help me before writing them though. another operator on the same channel is much more likely to be familiar with your situation than the council
[10:52] <topyli> doubtsUbuntu: btw you can't idle here, as you should aready know. either speak or part
[10:54] <doubtsUbuntu> #ubuntu. what's the scoop on -offtopic for my ban then?
[10:56] <topyli> do you remember why you're banned and by whom? i only remember you have a long history that doesn't make me terribly surprised to find you banned
[10:56]  * topyli goes to read said history
[10:58] <doubtsUbuntu> i'm eating a lurvly lemon curd and cup muffin pud atm. can i please speak to topyli about said ban? maybe start a #lemon channel?
[10:58] <topyli> lemon is probably not an official project, but you can create ##lemon
[10:59] <doubtsUbuntu> about lemon curd?
[11:01] <topyli> yes. create it and join it. i don't see you joining #ubuntu or #ubuntu-offtopic soon
[11:02] <doubtsUbuntu> well #ubuntu is a no-ban atm. but -offtopic? well prefix an l to the name and I'm there.
[11:02] <topyli> that's nice
[11:02] <doubtsUbuntu> sarcastica?
[11:03] <topyli> we've helped you many times recently. take some time to think about what you've learned and consider improving your conduct. we can talk again after some weeks and see how things go
[11:04] <doubtsUbuntu> pm me in two weeks at either doubsUbuntu or jforjackjohnson.
[11:04] <doubtsUbuntu> pm me in two weeks at either doubtsUbuntu or jforjackjohnson.
[11:05] <bazhang> ...
[11:05] <topyli> no
[11:05] <Myrtti> we're not a calendar
[11:05] <doubtsUbuntu> Or whenever.
[11:05] <Myrtti> you come here in two weeks and we'll have that discussion when you feel like it
[11:05] <doubtsUbuntu> Kthxbyenext!
[11:05] <doubtsUbuntu> bya!
[11:07] <topyli> gave them half an hour. must be saturday
[12:57] <bazhang> hah
[12:57] <bazhang> calling out offtopic chat is now against the code of conduct
[13:23] <bazhang> jetienne, hi
[13:23] <jetienne> bazhang: hi
[13:24] <bazhang> jetienne, you know why you were muted, correct?
[13:24] <jetienne> bazhang: you said because you were offtopic. and i said 3 lines offtopoic and got +q. those are the facts as i see them
[13:25] <bazhang> jetienne, for being offtopic and continuing when asked to stop
[13:26] <jetienne> bazhang: and then i asked it is normal behaviour to +q somebody which got 3 lines offtopic on a #ubuntu channel... and im still waiting for your answer
[13:26] <jetienne> (for information, bazhang asked me to join here)
[13:26] <jetienne> maybe other chanop around can answer my question ? i find it legitimate
[13:27] <bazhang> jetienne, #ubuntu is a shared resource. thus it needs moderation. talking about how bad unity is (in your view) is not a technical issue for support
[13:27] <jetienne> bazhang: you do not answer my question here
[13:28] <bazhang> jetienne, you were muted for the reasons I gave above
[13:28] <jetienne> bazhang: i mean if it is legitimate for #ubuntu chanop to +q somebody for 3 lines offtopic, i will backoff
[13:28] <ikonia> jetienne: I've just read the scroll back and you waffled on about nonsense things such as a guy having an MBA - you're offtopic, you didn't stop when you where asked to, instead of arguing and trying to find a loop hole, listen to what bazhang is saying
[13:28] <jetienne> ok just an answer to my question, i find it legitimate and reasonable
[13:28] <ikonia> jetienne: it was not 3 lines, it was more, so stop arguing and listen to what bazhang is saying, there is your other op's opinion as you asked
[13:29] <ikonia> bazhang: back to you
[13:29] <ikonia> jetienne: your mute was legitimate and reasonable
[13:29] <ikonia> now work it out with bazhang
[13:29] <jetienne> ikonia: i came here, asked by bazhang
[13:29] <jetienne> ikonia: and no it wasnt more
[13:30] <jetienne> well for the record, i will just repeat what i said to bazhang before
[13:30] <ikonia> we have log
[13:31] <ikonia> dont need to repeat
[13:33] <jetienne> bazhang did a +q on me after 3 line offtopic. i asked repeatidly if this was normal moderator behavior to kick after 3 line offtopic.
[13:33] <ikonia> jetienne: and I have told you "yes"
[13:33] <ikonia> the mute was warrented
[13:33] <ikonia> you where not kicked
[13:33] <ikonia> you where muted
[13:33] <bazhang> jetienne, there was no kick. just the mute, to discuss in PM. which we did.
[13:33] <jetienne> (if it isnt, i have been kicked in a fair way)
[13:33] <ikonia> now resolve the issue with bazhang
[13:34] <ikonia> jetienne: I'll say it one more time
[13:34] <ikonia> "it IS"
[13:34] <jetienne> so this isnt normal behavior from a moderator pov as it isnt done in fairness)
[13:34] <ikonia> jetienne: stop
[13:34] <jetienne> ikonia: relax i have been asked
[13:34] <jetienne> ikonia: relax i have been asked to come here by bazhang
[13:35] <jetienne> ikonia: so i do it here, because he asked me
[13:35] <ikonia> jetienne: yes and you just keep repeating the same question over and over
[13:35] <ikonia> jetienne: you have been given the answer. STOP repeating it
[13:35] <jetienne> ikonia: nope, as you said you got the log
[13:35] <jetienne> ikonia: this is the first time i state my pov on this channel
[13:36] <bazhang> jetienne, lets stop this arguing please and resolve the issue
[13:36] <jetienne> bazhang: im all for it
[13:36] <jetienne> bazhang: i wont do offtopic non support question on #ubuntu.
[13:36] <jetienne> is that enougth of a statement to remove the +q ?
[13:39] <bazhang> jetienne, please be aware of the channel guidelines, and chat in #ubuntu-offtopic , thanks
[13:40] <bazhang> jetienne, your mute is now removed
[13:40] <jetienne> bazhang: thanks
[13:45] <jetienne> btw thanks to bazhang to let the dialog opened even if we clearly disagree on the topic express. he easily could have /ignore me but he didnt and chat with me (even if we disagree)
[13:46] <jetienne> bazhang: respect for that
[20:12] <guntbert> hi, about my edit request
[20:13] <guntbert> first I only wanted to replace "Lucid" with  "Lucid and newer" but then I regard the mixing of "10.04 LTS"   and "Lucid" much later a bit misleading
[22:15] <PerfM> Is IdleOne not an oper anymore?
[22:26] <pangolin> PerfM: what exactly do you mean by oper?
[22:27] <PerfM> An op?
[22:27] <pangolin> I am.
[22:27] <PerfM> Uhm, okay, cool.
[22:27] <PerfM> That doesn't answer my question
[22:27] <pangolin> sure it does. just that you are not seeing the answer
[22:27] <pangolin> whois me
[22:27] <pangolin> :)
[22:28] <PerfM> Omg!
[22:28] <PerfM> Thats so sneaky!
[22:28] <pangolin> inoright
[22:28] <PerfM> We become bffs and you change your nick!
[22:28] <pangolin> hehe
[22:28] <PerfM> pangolin, thats sending out bad signals bro...
[22:28] <pangolin> now to be fair, the day after you said we were bffs you told me we werent anymore
[22:29] <PerfM> What?
[22:29] <pangolin> who is sending out mixed signals I ask :P
[22:29] <PerfM> I never said that
[22:29] <pangolin> you did too
[22:29] <PerfM> Well, you must have misunderstood me
[22:29] <pangolin> iirc in was in defocus
[22:29] <PerfM> BFFs4LYFE silly!
[22:29] <pangolin> pinky swear?
[22:30] <PerfM> Cross my <3 and hope to not get hit by a bus
[22:30] <pangolin> hah
[22:30] <pangolin> okie dokie pokie
[22:30] <PerfM> But, yes, this is basically the only reason I am here!
[22:30] <pangolin> so, was there anything Ubuntu op related ?
[22:30] <PerfM> It's so funny that you changed your nick!
[22:31] <PerfM> Ahh, naah, catcha on the bright side kid
[22:31] <pangolin> I do after every new release announcement and usually change it back but I kinda like this nick
[22:31] <PerfM> Well, I'm flattered by the nick considering that your nick also starts with a p
[22:32] <PerfM> You must have been thinking about me
[22:32] <pangolin> I was! We are P bros now
[22:32] <PerfM> hahahahahahahaha
[22:32] <pangolin> wait, that sounds ewwy
[22:32] <PerfM> I picked a good victim this time!
[22:32] <PerfM> Er...bff, I mean..
[22:33] <pangolin> lol, you better part before you get yourself into trouble.
[22:34] <PerfM> I was just gonna say that
[22:34] <pangolin> That was rather pleasant


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[01:41] <tsimonq2> infinity, vorlon: ack, thanks. Should I ask for approval every cycle or should I just assume it's policy for devel until further notice?
[01:42] <tsimonq2> vorlon: Bump on that MP fixing the cdimage CSS. 18.04.2 was released with bad looking CSS on the page; I'd like to get that fixed for 16.04.6 and retroactively apply that back to 18.04.2.
[01:43] <tsimonq2> https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/ubuntu-cdimage/restore-kubuntu-lubuntu-css/+merge/358940
[01:44] <tsimonq2> It looks like the CSS for 18.10's page was also moved around as well due to the flavor-agnostic includes being updated for the new CSS.
[01:45] <tsimonq2> I would really like that MP merged to have something *working*, I can work on something more conformant with the look of the Ubuntu one as time comes.
[05:13] <valorie> thank you, tsimonq2
[13:57] <vorlon> tsimonq2: wrt CSS, what I tried to communicate when we talked last was that I am not happy to add complexity to the python code by adding more conditionals, when the right solution is for the HTML structure to be consistent between flavors and the display to be managed via css
[13:57] <vorlon> tsimonq2: I'm not willing to merge this tech det
[13:57] <vorlon> debt
[13:59] <vorlon> lol @ failing hello autopkgtest
[14:04] <vorlon> doko: seems the hello autopkgtest is an addition by you; it fails because one of the tests returns 77 instead of 0 meaning it should be skipped, but autopkgtest now runs these commands with set -e, so the testsuite fails
[14:07]  * jbicha waits for the next full moon
[14:09] <vorlon> gvfs autopkgtests will need updating for glibc 2.29
[14:10] <vorlon> test fails now with a different error from a glibc name resolution call instead of the expected assertion
[15:16] <infinity> vorlon: glibc's own failure is something I'm looking into either XFAILing or fixing (I mean, preference to the latter, but yeah) for the next upload, but not going to reupload and reset the whole mess before we migrate anything that's picked up 2.29 deps.
[15:32] <vorlon> infinity: ack
[15:32] <vorlon> AssertionError:<PHONE_NUMBER>3245183 !=<PHONE_NUMBER>4898586 within 5 places
[15:33] <vorlon> thanks, biopython
[15:39] <ginggs> vorlon: ping re: pandas
[15:40] <vorlon> ginggs: removed
[15:40] <vorlon> ginggs: what's the fix you're uploading for pandas 0.23?
[15:41] <ginggs> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/412461993/pandas_0.23.3-1fakesync1ubuntu3~ppa2_0.23.3-1fakesync1ubuntu3~ppa3.diff.gz
[15:42] <ginggs> rebecca's patch from https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=918206#33
[15:42] <vorlon> ok then
[15:43] <jbicha> vorlon: do you want to remove openssl1.0 from disco-proposed too?
[15:43] <vorlon> jbicha: definitely
[15:44] <vorlon> done
[15:44] <ginggs> vorlon: pandas with patch passed autopkgtests https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac/autopkgtest-disco-ginggs-testing/disco/amd64/p/pandas/20190223_111325_a8838@/log.gz


[01:20] <coopster> I just made my first contribution to the wiki, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LogitechG15.  Anyone care to give it a once over and tell me how it looks?
[01:28] <dsas> coopster: looks pretty good. you may want to expand on "Extract the packages to their own directory," and make it clear it's ok to delete them later (if it is)
[01:28] <coopster> dsas, will do, thanks for the input.
[01:29] <dsas> coopster: Looks a pretty nice page though :) Thanks for working on that.
[01:30] <dsas> coopster: Also you may want to subscribe to that page via the little button near 'edit', you'll get an email alert if anyone edits the page then.
[01:30] <coopster> never a problem.  as far as i can tell, i was the first to post about adding symbols to X, it took forever to figure it it out and i had to brag ;)
[01:42] <coopster> ...it's really a shame though.  as i was writing that, it occurred to me that the better solution would be to just make a package that does that and submit it to Ubuntu.  I'm sure i'll end up doing that later and making my lovely doc obsolete. :-p
[01:43] <dsas> coopster: Such is technical progress.
[01:52] <mpt> coopster, most documentation is a workaround for insufficient code :-)
[03:44] <LaserJock> interesting email we got
[03:46] <Madpilot> which one?
[03:47] <LaserJock> the returned mail one
[08:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #42016 in ubuntu-docs (main) "Various links to examples broken using Yelp as viewer" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/42016
[08:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #93607 in ubuntu-docs (main) "Broken URLs in Yelp viewer" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/93607
[09:13] <pradeep> If there's a minor typo in documentation for an app, where should I update it?
[09:16] <cpk1> post a bug
[09:16] <pradeep> cpk1, it's just one word
[09:17] <cpk1> still gotta post a bug =)
[09:17] <Bambi_BOFH> or slip it in with another fix ;)
[09:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> dratted dropouts
[09:18] <pradeep> cpk1, won't it get ignored that way? there are many typos like that
[09:18] <cpk1> pradeep: how would it get ignored?
[09:32] <pradeep> cpk1, like this one: bug 65036
[09:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65036 in exim4 "Minor typo in docs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/65036
[09:32] <pradeep> there are more like those
[09:34] <cpk1> well you could join the team and post the bug and fix it =P
[09:35] <pradeep> cpk1, Yes maybe I could, but there could be a quicker way?
[09:35] <cpk1> not afaik
[09:36] <pradeep> If I try to join the team and change the documentation, it would only take effect in feisty+2
[09:37] <pradeep> more: 67016,5571,46206
[09:43] <pradeep> there might be many more wanting to do those 'small' changes
[09:44] <pradeep> nvm
[10:42] <mhb> hi
[10:42] <mhb> is a translator allowed to change the links in the documentation?
[10:43] <Burgwork> mhb: which links?
[10:43] <mhb> some links in the feisty ubuntu-docs package point to the english help.ubuntu.com, which is untranslatable
[10:43] <mhb> AFAIK
[10:43] <mhb> there should be a way how to change those in the future ... I wonder if that is possible now
[10:44] <Burgwork> ah
[10:44] <Burgwork> hmm
[10:44] <Burgwork> have to ask mdke
[10:46] <mhb> okay
[11:42] <mdke> mhb: feel free to point links to equivalent localised pages, for example on locoteam websites
[11:42] <mhb> mdke: great, thanks


[01:01] <czajkowski> whoo made it home
[01:01] <jono> doctormo, ping?
[01:01] <nhandler> How was it czajkowski ?
[01:02] <czajkowski> windy and raining heavily
[01:02] <czajkowski> behind one large truck for about 4 miles in lashing rain
[01:02] <czajkowski> most fliupping annoying
[01:03] <nhandler> czajkowski: I meant the Ubuntu Hour ;)
[01:03] <czajkowski> oh right
[01:03] <czajkowski> that was a good fun
[01:03] <czajkowski> took pics
[01:03] <czajkowski> one of the lads brought his wife and kids along
[01:03] <nhandler> czajkowski: Sounds fun. Have you uploaded the pics yet?
[01:03] <czajkowski> one of the guys luisbg is moving back to spain so wont see him again
[01:04] <czajkowski> and the two masters students doing their thesis on Ubuntu came along
[01:04] <czajkowski> nhandler: nope
[01:04] <nhandler> czajkowski: Weren't you doing something with those 2 students?
[01:05] <czajkowski> yup
[01:05] <czajkowski> educating them in ubuntu
[01:05] <czajkowski> so one brought along a questionaire
[01:05] <czajkowski> the other wanted to meet people
[01:07] <czajkowski> nhandler: jono seen  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColombianTeam/TeamReApproval2010  what a wiki page
[01:07] <jono> wow!
[01:08] <jono> so awesome :)
[01:08] <czajkowski> yup
[01:08]  * czajkowski hugs jono nice work on getting the tag chat going
[01:08] <czajkowski> thank you
[01:08] <nhandler> czajkowski: Oh yeah, put Ubuntu Chicago to shame with that ;)
[01:09] <doctormo> jono: pong
[01:10] <czajkowski> right folks calling it a night
[01:10] <czajkowski> catch you all tomorrow
[01:10] <doctormo> night czajkowski
[01:10] <nhandler> Night czajkowski
[01:10] <jono> czajkowski, :)
[01:10] <jono> doctormo, hey, you have an M-Audio Fast Track Pro?
[01:11] <jono> I saw https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/569932
[01:11] <doctormo> jono: I do
[01:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 569932 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "M-audio fast-track pro: Missing input device (affects: 3) (heat: 76)" [Low,In progress]
[01:11] <jono> doctormo, how does it work in Lucid?
[01:11] <jono> specifically the S/PDIF
[01:11] <jono> specifically the S/PDIF in
[01:11] <doctormo> jono: Needed a patch to get it working
[01:11] <jono> (I just bought one)
[01:11] <doctormo> in lucid
[01:11] <jono> right
[01:11] <jono> does the S/PDIF work?
[01:12] <doctormo> jono: I don't actually know if I can test that, do you mean S/PDIF into the Fast track and then out to computer via usb?
[01:13] <doctormo> I can't imagine it wouldn't work though so long as the patch is there: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/48319012/draft.patch
[01:14] <doctormo> jono: Now you can riddle me this, what did you think of this: http://doctormo.deviantart.com/#/d2ssfnz
[01:14] <jono> doctormo, I want to bring an S/PDIF input into the Fast Track via the S/PDIF in
[01:15] <jono> I am getting my studio in better shape for my videocasts and the live severed fifth recording
[01:15] <jono> that image is awesome doctormo
[01:16] <jono> doctormo, is that patch merged into maverick or in a Lucid PPA?
[01:16] <jono> or it is a config file patch
[01:16] <jono> easy
[01:17] <jono> I sure hope the S/PDIF works
[01:17] <jono> then I don't need windows
[01:19] <jono> biab
[02:58] <doctormo> jono: Let me know if it works, although that patch was rejected by the upstream because it's a hack (technically speaking) it assumes you have a single audio device in the original configuration and assumes you may have a prior device in the patched version. What it should do of course is not have that configuration at all, the code should be made to detect the m-audio alsa device properly.
[03:02] <jono> doctormo, so the patched version assumes the m-audio overrides the system sound card?
[03:06] <doctormo> jono: No, it won't apply m-audio config if it's not an m-audio, it just expands the existing hack to check two slots.
[03:08] <jono> doctormo, oh so it means you can use both the m-audio and the existing sound card?
[03:12] <doctormo> jono: I have been able to, I output to my normal sound card when I do midi work and input work.
[03:12] <doctormo> YMMV
[03:14] <jono> doctormo, right, can see see the S/PDIF In as an input?
[03:15] <doctormo> jono: Are you having trouble seeing it?
[03:22] <jono> doctormo, he card hasnt arrived yet
[03:23] <jono> I am just getting my expectations set
[03:23] <jono> can you see it?
[03:23] <doctormo> jono: Mine isn't a card, it's a block connected via usb. M-Audio FastTrack Pro
[03:24] <jono> I mean that
[03:24] <jono> I meant sound card
[03:24] <jono> the only thing I care about is that I can see the s/pdif in ustream
[03:24] <doctormo> What would it look like?
[03:26] <doctormo> Imagine your talking with someone that treats audio like a mystic force and only knows how to do Jack because I wrote the steps down.
[03:30] <jono> doctormo, it is an orange socket that says Digital In I think
[03:30] <jono> what inputs are listed in the sound preferences when it is plugged in?
[03:31] <doctormo> jono: Yes it has that, it says S/PDIF > Out / In (there are two orange connectors)
[03:32] <doctormo> jono: There is "FastTrack Pro Analog Stereo Channel A" input and "FastTrack Pro Analog Stereo Channel A" and "FastTrack Pro Analog Stereo Channel B" outputs.
[03:33] <jono> doctormo, can you test which socket matches which input?
[03:34] <jono> I reckon it is "FastTrack Pro Analog Stereo Channel A"
[03:35] <doctormo> jono: I have no s/pdif output devices and no cables. Is there a way I can test it otherwise? Channel A works for the Microphone I plug into the Mic/Inst
[03:35] <jono> is Channel A or Channel A Analogue?
[03:36] <doctormo> jono: http://imagebin.ca/view/J_yDiXN.html
[03:37] <jono> doctormo, what options are in the Connector drop down
[03:37] <jono> when the fast track is selected
[03:37] <doctormo> jono: It disappears when selecting the FastTrack.
[03:38] <jono> I think you said there were other inputs?
[03:38] <doctormo> Those were outputs.
[03:38] <jono> A, Analogue A, and B
[03:38] <jono> ahh
[03:38] <jono> so there is only one input working
[03:39] <doctormo> Well, that only appears with the patch, without it it's a rather amusing zero inputs.
[03:39] <doctormo> I have no idea if this is because of pulse audio or alsa, both are irrational with this device.
[03:40] <jono> dammit
[03:43] <nigelb> morning folks :)
[03:58] <doctormo> jono: Will it be a waste or will you try and convince some of the devels to work on the problem?
[04:00] <nigelb> doctormo: audio?
[04:00] <nhandler> doctormo: Not that many audio devs in the community, and I bet crimsun is pretty busy ;)
[04:00] <nigelb> luke should be aroud now
[04:01] <doctormo> nhandler: Quick does anyone know any multi-millionaire audiophiles! We need an audio team stat.
[04:10] <nigelb> doctormo: TheMuso in #ubuntu-desktop might be able to help you
[04:29] <jono> doctormo, I will probably just report a bug and hope someone can work on it
[04:31] <doctormo> jono: Noone you know who does this sort of thing?
[04:32] <nigelb> doctormo: err, audio right? Luke aka TheMuso
[04:32] <nigelb> crimsun has withdrawn from most development related stuff lately
[04:32] <jono> doctormo, well, I don't know if it is an integration issue or a driver problem
[04:33] <doctormo> nigelb: Surely the entire Ubuntu community must consist of more than one audio dev, either that or we need to get out our tranquilizers and go hunting in #alsa.
[04:34] <doctormo> jono: I should be able to see more than one input on alsa if it's a config issue
[04:34] <jono> doctormo, not neccessarily, the drive might now expose all inputs
[04:35] <doctormo> Certainly looks like it doesn't > pcmC1D0p  pcmC1D1c  pcmC1D1p is all I get.
[05:20] <jono> doctormo, then it must be a driver issue
[05:50] <nigelb> doctormo: sadly, audio is not some place we have lots of devs
[05:50] <nigelb> crimsun was our pillar for so long :)
[06:11] <dpm> good morning all
[06:11] <nigelb> morning dpm :)
[06:11] <dpm> hey nigelb :)
[06:11] <nigelb> whoa its early! I haven't even had my coffee and you're up for work already!
[06:12] <dpm> :)
[06:12] <nigelb> and my TZ is ahead of you
[06:12] <dpm> how are you doing today, apart from not having had the coffe? :-)
[06:14] <nigelb> From the looks of it today is going to be a *loooong* day
[06:15] <nigelb> I'm struggling to understand a framework on whcih I'm supposed to write code in
[06:17] <dpm> I'm sure you like challenges... :)
[06:32] <nigelb> of course! I'm the one who convinced everyone that we should use this framework :)
[06:52] <dholbach> good morning
[06:57] <dpm> morning dholbach!
[06:57] <dholbach> hey dpm
[07:02] <nigelb> dholbach: good morning!
[07:02] <dholbach> hey nigelb
[07:56] <dholbach> hola ara
[07:56] <ara> morning dholbach
[07:57]  * dholbach takes the dog to the vet
[09:20] <czajkowski> morning
[09:23] <AlanBell> hi
[09:34] <nigelb> hello czajkowski, AlanBell :)
[09:34] <czajkowski> nigelb: hi
[09:34] <nigelb> you folks having a good day?
[09:35] <czajkowski> so far so good
[09:36]  * AlanBell says meh to month end stuff
[09:37] <nigelb> AlanBell: new month has been awesome with 2 new people joining our company and we moved 2 systems to ubuntu this week :)
[09:38] <AlanBell> that is great
[09:44] <nigelb> we'll eventually go all out for developers :)
[09:45] <AlanBell> I just want someone to take all the financial stuff away
[09:45] <nigelb> heh
[14:21] <nigelb> jcastro: did you do anythig about the results of "talk to lucas about submittodebian"?
[14:22] <nigelb> Also, what is the outcome of exploring code review UI for patches?  (you've marked it as done)
[14:25] <jcastro> nigelb: the submittodebian bits discussion happened on the mailing list instead (motu)
[14:25] <jcastro> and the bugs team has punted the code review for patches for this cycle.
[14:25] <jcastro> sorry, the lp tasks aren't clear
[14:25] <jcastro> they weren't for getting each feature done in lp, it was for a work analysis of what we wanted from the lp team
[14:26] <jcastro> so they're all marked done even though we don't get everything we want
[14:26] <jcastro> the short story on the review bits is "everyone wants them, but it's alot of work, so next time"
[14:27] <jcastro> once I get debian 2 way import/export in lp I'll be more than happy to let you whine at them for your feature. :D
[14:27] <jcastro> I've been waiting like 3 years, heh
[14:28] <jcastro> nigelb: hmm, perhaps I should get one of them to blog their plans
[14:28] <jcastro> so it's clear what they're working on
[14:35] <jcastro> jono: when you plug in your kindle to your ubuntu box does it think it's an mp3 player? (though everything works just fine)
[14:37] <nigelb> jcastro: thank you :)
[14:37] <jono> jcastro, no, it just shows nautilus
[14:37] <nigelb> the code review would have been awesome ;)
[14:37] <jcastro> nigelb: they love the idea, it's just something they can bust out right away.
[14:37] <jcastro> er, it's NOT something they can just bust out right away is what I meant.
[14:37] <nigelb> heh
[14:38] <nigelb> I should bribe jml into giving me some beginner lessions on hacking launchpad :)
[14:38] <jcastro> no!
[14:38] <jcastro> stay here with us!
[14:38] <nigelb> hahaha
[14:40] <nigelb> jcastro: I'm a web developer by trade, I'm just gravitating towards my area of expertise :p
[14:40] <jcastro> heh
[14:57] <dholbach> jono: heya - if you could re-blog UDW at some stage, I'd appreciate it :-D
[15:01] <jono> dholbach, will do today
[15:02] <dholbach> thanks a bunch
[15:13] <nigelb> dholbach: don't bang on that
[15:13] <dholbach> nigelb: eh?
[15:14] <nigelb> I asked jono to blog about cleansweep ages back and he still hasn't done it :p
[15:14] <vish> nigelb: i need jono too :
[15:31] <jcastro> I asked jono for a pony!
[15:32] <dholbach> jcastro: sometimes it's really tough working for Jono
[15:32] <dholbach> all those disappointments and setbacks
[15:33] <jono> ll
[15:33] <jono> lol
[15:33] <jcastro> I have a hard time respecting someone who uses triggers
[15:33] <jono> haha
[15:41] <nigelb> jcastro: triggers?
[15:42] <jcastro> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bass_drum
[15:45] <nigelb> jcastro: ah, LOL
[16:02] <nigelb> later folks, I'm off for the day :)
[16:02] <dholbach> have a great rest of your day, nigelb
[16:03] <nigelb> dholbach: Just finished 12.5 hours at work.  I feel brain-dead
[16:03]  * dholbach hugs nigelb
[16:03]  * nigelb hugs dholbach :)
[16:03] <dholbach> :)
[16:24] <dholbach> jcastro: I'll massage abentley's comments into the wiki page
[16:24] <dholbach> jcastro: anything else you think we should be doing?
[16:30] <dpm> ok, I might have to send a couple of e-mails, but I'm officially off. See you all in a week!
[16:30]  * dpm hugs everyone
[16:30]  * dholbach hugs dpm
[16:30] <dholbach> dpm: enjoy your holidays
[16:31] <dpm> thanks dholbach, I'll definitely will :)
[16:32] <dholbach> thought so :)
[16:32] <jcastro> dholbach: I have some questions about prefixes, but it can wait until tomorrow
[16:32] <dholbach> prefixes?
[17:28] <jcastro> dholbach: yeah so like let's say someone wants Qt nightlies
[17:28] <jcastro> but doesn't want to overwrite their existing release
[17:28] <dholbach> yeah
[17:28] <jcastro> say the person wants it in /opt or something else instead so they don't have to downgrade the universe when it blows up
[17:28] <jcastro> that was my only question
[17:29] <dholbach> we shouldn't do /opt
[17:29] <dholbach> stuff can't link properly and stuff
[17:29] <jcastro> wherever
[17:29] <dholbach> so Qt would not work for them at all
[17:29] <dholbach> the only thing they can do and need to do is get the versioning right
[17:29] <jcastro> I don't think it will matter too much where it would actually go as long as it doesn't blow up existing packages
[17:30] <dholbach> https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/BuildingASourcePackage#versioning
[17:31]  * jcastro nods
[17:40] <dholbach> ok my friends, calling it a day
[17:40] <dholbach> see you tomorrow!
[17:41] <nhandler> Bye dholbach
[17:41] <dholbach> bye nhandler
[20:11] <dinda> http://guadec.org/index.php/guadec/2010/schedConf/training    GNOME Developer training - nice!
[20:23] <jcastro> jono: call today?
[20:26] <jono> call?
[20:26] <jcastro> jono: you meantioned yesterday that you wanted a 1 on 1 today to catch up
[20:27] <jcastro> but I can give you the 2 second update on irc if you want
[20:27] <jono> jcastro, sure, lets do it here
[20:27] <jono> unless you want a call?
[20:27] <jcastro> doesn't matter to me
[20:29] <jono> lets do it here
[20:29] <jcastro> ok
[20:30] <jcastro>  - indicator-appmenu and appmenu-gtk ready to go today, seb is packaging tomorrow (ken on holiday)
[20:30] <jcastro>  - uds content sent to you
[20:31] <jcastro>  - working with lp and daniel on daily builds stuff, which hits edge on monday, we're having a call with them tomorrow
[20:31] <jcastro>  - finishing up party and GUADEC stuff (catch up with cezz tomorrow)
[20:31] <jcastro> we're going to do usb keys for UNE for guadec so people can install on the fly, and the party on wednesday
[20:31] <jcastro> that's all I've got!
[20:32] <jcastro> no outstanding actions afaik
[20:34] <jono> jcastro, sounds perfect
[20:34] <jono> A2 is pretty much squared away apart from me blogging daily builds
[20:34] <jono> good work! :)
[20:34] <jcastro> woo!
[20:34] <jcastro> I would hold off on the dailies tbh
[20:35] <jono> right, I will postpone it
[20:41] <Technoviking> jcastro: If anyone asks, Ryan is working on the issues with the forums
[20:43] <jcastro> ok
[20:43] <jcastro> Technoviking: did ranch_hand posting every 3 minutes bring it down?
[20:44] <Technoviking> jcastro: lol, could be:)
[20:44] <Technoviking> I think it maybe my fault, I posted to the forums from my iPhone 4 yesterday:)
[20:45] <jcastro> I didn't know you were right handed!
[20:47] <Technoviking> jcastro: am now, I cut off my left hand so I would never be tempted to use it
[20:49] <jcastro> Technoviking: http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/2623/1277477480603.jpg
[20:51] <Technoviking> Honestly, I can not reproduce that problem. The main problem I'm having is that 3G is faster on the iPhone 4 but not as reliable. Something #G will just not work.
[21:13] <doctormo> jcastro: Nice
[22:20] <jcastro> EOD, bai everyone!
[22:41] <jono> later jcastro


[00:20] <flocculant> infinity: we've had a few issues over the last few weeks - this one appears to affect Ubuntu/Xubuntu/Studio/ and then I stopped looking
[00:20] <flocculant> bug 1622303
[00:20] <ubot5`> bug 1622303 in light-locker (Ubuntu) "Fails to unlock/ resume to black screen" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1622303
[00:20] <flocculant> sorry and all that :(
[00:24] <flocculant> infinity being anyone from outside of Xubuntu caring ;)
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[07:07] <LocutusOfBorg> pitti, good morning, everything has migrated!
[07:08] <LocutusOfBorg> more general question, in Debian I moved thanks to unit193 virtualbox-ext-pack from non-free to contrib (it is just a downloader)
[07:09] <LocutusOfBorg> so, can you please move from multiverse to universe?
[07:10] <LocutusOfBorg> I just sync'd the change in yakkety
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[07:03] <dholbach> good morning
[07:03] <JoseeAntonioR> hey, D!
[07:03] <dholbach> hey JoseeAntonioR
[07:04] <JoseeAntonioR> how's it going?
[07:04] <dholbach> great thanks - how about you?
[07:04] <JoseeAntonioR> pretty fine :)
[07:30] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: hey, discussion for your hangout in a couple hours will take place in #ubuntu-on-air or #ubuntu-quality?
[07:30] <dholbach> #ubuntu-quality - thanks a lot for thinking of it!
[07:30] <JoseeAntonioR> no worries :)
[15:48] <daker> hi
[16:06] <dholbach> all right my friends
[16:06] <dholbach> I call it a day
[16:06] <dholbach> see you all next week!
[16:06] <dholbach> big hugs
[16:07]  * popey hugs dholbach
[16:08] <dholbach> :)
[16:46] <jcastro> <-- early lunching
[17:20] <JoseeAntonioR> balloons: hey, did dholbach manage to have the ubuntuonair session?
[17:21] <JoseeAntonioR> sorry, part of my backlog is missiong
[17:21] <JoseeAntonioR> missing*
[18:06] <dpm> have a good weekend everyone, calling it a day now


[03:55] <Kilos> neology flying today
[03:55] <Kilos> Fetched 27,9 MB in 30s (917 kB/s)
[05:56] <Kilos> morning nlsthzn  octoquad  captine  bushtech  bduk  and others
[06:05] <Kilos> wbb
[06:17] <nlsthzn> alo
[09:59] <magespawn> good day
[10:13] <Kilos> hi magespawn  superfly
[10:19] <magespawn> hi Kilos i am trying out irssi themes
[10:20] <Kilos> lol
[10:27] <magespawn> there are a lot of them on the irssi website
[10:28] <magespawn> you can change the look and feel
[10:32] <Kilos> if it can look and feel like xchat or konversation thats good
[10:34] <magespawn> no just the colours and such of the text etc
[10:36] <captine> hi all
[10:36] <Kilos> hi captine
[10:36] <Kilos> i grfeeted you early i think
[10:36] <Kilos> greeted
[10:37] <captine> isnt irssi console based?  I think i recall trying it as I wanted to be permanently on irc from a digitalocean droplet...  but i like pictures :)
[10:37] <captine> Kilos, sorry, my machine is on as long as Eskom provides power
[10:37] <Kilos> np
[10:37] <captine> so i may have missed it
[10:37] <Kilos> check my lekker 3g speed
[10:37] <captine> am using a "desktop" now and not a laptop
[10:37] <Kilos> [05:55:45] <Kilos> Fetched 27,9 MB in 30s (917 kB/s)
[10:38] <captine> tyring to get better balance by dedicating time to computer, as apposed to lugging laptop all over the house and not getting time out... :)
[10:38] <Kilos> hahaha
[10:38] <magespawn> hi captine, yes cli based
[10:39] <magespawn> you do  need time out
[10:40] <captine> any preference here for nginx over apache2?  stuggle to get my head around nginx configs....
[10:40] <captine> Kilos, how's the bazaar usage going?
[10:41] <Kilos> hmm...
[10:41] <Kilos> bazaar usage?
[10:41] <captine> I almost proposed it at work for managing IBM Cognos Rule Files, but am pretty swayed to GIT, due to it's massive uptake.
[10:41] <Kilos> oh the site thing
[10:41] <captine> weren't you using bzr
[10:41] <captine> ?
[10:41] <Kilos> the fly is the man
[10:41] <Kilos> i rattle along behind them
[10:42] <captine> :)
[10:42] <captine> what site is that for?
[10:42] <Kilos> our ubuntu site
[10:42] <captine> ah.  cool
[10:42] <magespawn> i thought apache was the standard
[10:42] <captine> it is...
[10:42] <captine> but nginx seems to be very light and fast
[10:42] <Kilos> its becoming a static thingie and who knows what else
[10:43] <Kilos> magespawn  explain to him man
[10:43] <captine> :)
[10:43] <captine> what's the url.. ubuntu.org.za
[10:43] <captine> ?
[10:43] <Kilos> i have it saved somwhere
[10:43] <Kilos> patience
[10:45] <captine> dont stress
[10:45] <Kilos> oh my its gone
[10:45] <Kilos> magespawn  help man
[10:45] <Kilos> you were also there
[10:45] <Kilos> where is he now?
[10:46] <magespawn> here
[10:46] <magespawn> what do you need explaining?
[10:46] <Kilos> whats our ubuntu link please
[10:46] <Kilos> whats happening to our site is what you can explain
[10:48] <captine> i recall it being moved from php, or some other cms to a plain html file
[10:48] <captine> based site
[10:48] <captine> not sure if it is 100% plain html and css, or if there was going to be something using a markdown type tool
[10:49] <magespawn> superfly has generated the static site using nikola
[10:50] <magespawn> http://getnikola.com/ it uses restructured text
[10:51] <Kilos> wow i saved all that the other night and now dunno where
[10:57] <captine> nice.  i see it takes structured text or markdown
[10:57] <captine> will be nice.
[10:57] <captine> who hosts the site>
[10:57] <captine> ?
[11:02] <magespawn> captine i think the site is on a server owned by the clug
[11:03] <inetpro> good afternoon
[11:03] <inetpro> captine: the new site is not quite done yet
[11:04] <inetpro> you can all get involved and help build it
[11:08] <Kilos> hi inetpro  ty for ariving in time
[11:09] <Kilos> arriving
[11:19] <magespawn> i need to learn structured text, before i try
[11:26] <magespawn> ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:26] <magespawn> whoops wrong window
[11:41] <octoquad> magespawn, http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/ref/rst/restructuredtext.html
[11:43] <octoquad> so I haven't been around for ages, what milestones or goals does ubuntu-za have for this year?
[11:46] <octoquad> magespawn, I think this is better: http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/rst/quickstart.html
[11:50] <magespawn> ty octoquad
[11:51] <octoquad> np
[11:52] <octoquad> and online editor to mess around with: http://rst.ninjs.org/
[11:54] <magespawn> ahh now that is cool
[12:37] <Kilos> we gonna get our site rocking octoquad  , you can help too also as welll
[12:37] <Kilos> sjoe
[12:37] <Kilos> sudo rm headache
[12:47] <Kilos> hi thoquz
[12:47] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu_za
[12:50] <thoquz> Hey, thanks.
[12:59] <Kilos> first time here hey?
[13:00] <Kilos> tell us about yourself and if you need help state your prob and someone will advise
[13:00] <Kilos> advize
[13:00] <Kilos> that thing
[13:01] <thoquz> No problems so far, I'm running Xubuntu 14.10 64bit at the moment until the next release of elementry OS.
[13:06] <Kilos> ah you like elementary?
[13:07] <Kilos> i think its quite lekker
[13:08] <thoquz> I'll tell a little more about myself, let me know if I talk too much as I am unsure what you specifically meant by your question. I'm from the Western Cape, just finished matric, so now I'm taking a gap-year to decide what I want to study. I was going to do a internship at a computer security company this year, when I applied I received very promising feedback, yet it seems I made my decision to join them a day or two too late
[13:08] <thoquz> as the position was already taken.
[13:08] <Kilos> aw
[13:09] <Kilos> shop around you might find another one
[13:10] <Kilos> or join our mailing list and ask if there is anything going with all them peeps
[13:11] <Kilos> http://bit.ly/MCOujZ
[13:11] <Kilos> and then theres hetzner that takes interns as well i think
[13:13] <thoquz> There's another company that I should still contact that might take me in, they are more hardware based. I am a electronics hobbyist and recreational programmer. I love working with embedded systems, such as Texas-instrument's 16bit MSP430 series, I also design and do circuit board layout.
[13:14] <thoquz> As for what my plans of studying are after the gap-year, I recently discovered UCT's "computer engineering" program that seems to have interesting subjects.
[13:15] <thoquz> I'm on a few mailing lists such as the Cape Town python user group, Stellenbosch Linux user group and OWASP
[13:19] <Kilos> cool
[13:40] <Kilos> and where is a ububuntu list
[13:40] <Kilos> hmm...
[13:42] <Kilos> everyday there is someone here that needs help
[13:42] <Kilos> namely me
[13:44] <thoquz> I'll try, what seems to be the problem today?
[13:49] <Kilos> today im ok  too tired to fight things
[13:51] <Kilos> magespawn  you winning?
[13:52] <Kilos> you supposed to greet new peeps when im asleep
[13:53] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee on
[13:53]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[13:53] <inetpro> Kilos: you don't have to fight
[13:53] <inetpro> hi thoquz
[13:54] <inetpro> welcome to #ubuntu-za
[13:54] <thoquz> Thanks inetpro
[13:56] <Kilos> thoquz  he is one of our big guns here
[13:57] <Kilos> cant program or anything he says but fixes everything
[13:57] <inetpro> Kilos: don't come with stories now
[13:57] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[13:57] <Kilos> Maaz  ty
[13:57] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[13:58] <thoquz> So I'm guessing you're a sysadmin? Are you two employed by the same company?
[13:58] <inetpro> no
[13:58] <Kilos> oh inetpro  i seem to somehow have lost all my saved stuff on nikola and the bazaar thing
[13:58] <inetpro> Kilos: you see
[13:59]  * inetpro told him he needed a backup strategy
[13:59] <Kilos> ya the backup thing
[13:59] <Kilos> no man i saved it somewhere and forgot where
[13:59] <inetpro> Kilos: you have a folder called ~/Projects ?
[13:59] <Kilos> oh ya
[14:00] <Kilos> and should be a file for nikola and bzh or m or whatever
[14:00] <Kilos> maybe i was on another drive
[14:00] <Kilos> bzr?
[14:01] <Kilos> bad head day
[14:01] <inetpro> ai! Sorry oom
[14:01] <inetpro> thoquz: just stick around and try to help where you can and you'll make it far
[14:02] <Kilos> inetpro  keep ears open for a job for him
[14:02] <thoquz> Yeah, at the moment the conversation seems to lack context so I'm a bit confused at all the references to names.
[14:03] <Kilos> there were some with the dbnlug peeps but they wanted experienced  peeps with programming stuff as well too
[14:04] <Kilos> wb b ushyou hopping again
[14:04] <Kilos> ai!
[14:04] <Kilos> bushtech
[14:07] <bushtech> ja Kilos ?
[14:08] <inetpro> thoquz: our most important activity happens here once a month when we have our monthly meetings
[14:09] <thoquz> When and where do you guys meet up?
[14:09] <Kilos> inetpro  did you see my speed
[14:09] <inetpro> we haven't had major stuff going on for a long time, perhaps time to turn things around this year
[14:09] <inetpro> Kilos: yes
[14:09] <Kilos> does your 4g beat it?
[14:09] <inetpro> Kilos: yes
[14:09] <Kilos> oh wow
[14:11] <inetpro> Kilos: actually no, my bast was 24
[14:11] <inetpro> best*
[14:12] <Kilos> 24?
[14:12] <inetpro> 24Mbps
[14:12] <Kilos> so that 3mB/s
[14:13] <bushtech> best I've seen out here in the bush is 9.9Mbps up
[14:13] <bushtech> lol
[14:15] <Kilos> 24 is lots
[14:15] <inetpro> oops, actually my best was 27.6 http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/a/1110989395
[14:16] <inetpro> but upload speed still below 1Mbps
[14:17] <bushtech> oops sorry, mine is down
[14:18] <inetpro> that was with the antenna connected but I failed to get a consistent good signal
[14:19] <Kilos> hmm... im much slower
[14:19] <Kilos> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4050954297
[14:19] <magespawn> yeah inetpro downloads are fast but never on the uploads
[14:19] <Kilos> upload 3.08
[14:20] <magespawn> that is pretty good
[14:21] <inetpro> thoquz: sorry I missed your question
[14:21] <inetpro> Next Meeting: Tue, 27 January 20:30, Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20150127
[14:21] <inetpro> meetings happen here in this channel
[14:22] <thoquz> Thanks
[14:23] <inetpro> hopefully by then we have a new site up
[14:24] <inetpro> thoquz: have you signed up on launchpad yet?
[14:24] <Kilos> and if you tweet you get a reminder if you follow @ubuntuza
[14:25] <Kilos> thats if the pro remembers
[14:25] <thoquz> Sorry, I don't use twitter.
[14:27] <inetpro> sign up on https://launchpad.net/ and joing the ubuntu-za team
[14:27] <inetpro> join as well
[14:27] <inetpro> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za
[14:34] <Kilos> thoquz  air been getting very heavy past hour
[14:34] <Kilos> ai!
[14:34] <Kilos> sorry
[14:34] <Kilos> that was for the pta peeps
[14:35] <inetpro> thoquz: have you used git or bzr before?
[14:35] <thoquz> Yeah, I use git
[14:35] <inetpro> cool
[14:36] <inetpro> some people still prefer bzr over git
[14:39] <thoquz> Yeah, I'm pretty neutral to software choices, I'll use the first thing that works, if someone requires me to use another tool for the job I won't mind unless it requires a major time investment,  I'm getting tired of software wars causing stagnation and preventing innovation.
[14:39] <inetpro> good point
[15:41] <inetpro> hmm...
[16:06] <Kilos> hmm...
[16:19] <thoquz> hmm...?
[16:20] <magespawn> Maaz hmmm
[16:20] <Maaz> magespawn: What?
[16:21] <magespawn> Maaz define hmmm
[16:21] <Maaz> magespawn: I don't know about hmmm. Maybe you meant hmmp or hmms?
[16:23] <Kilos> Maaz  hmm...
[16:23] <Maaz> hmm... is often used to try make others believe one is actually thinking
[16:24] <Kilos> thoquz  you'll see we a crazy bunch here
[16:25] <Kilos> btw how did you find us?
[16:25] <thoquz> Is Maaz a bot?
[16:25] <thoquz> Using the search function on my IRC client. I have not used IRC for months, so I wanted to check if there were any South African ones
[16:26] <Kilos> yip he is our python bot wqritten by our guys
[16:27] <thoquz> Cool
[16:27] <thoquz> Maaz --help
[16:27] <Maaz> thoquz: Huh?
[16:27] <thoquz> Maaz help
[16:27] <Maaz> thoquz: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff.
[16:27] <Maaz> Ask me "help me with ..." for more details.
[16:27] <thoquz> Maaz help me with silly fun stuff
[16:27] <Maaz> thoquz: I use the following features for silly fun stuff: bash, choose, coffee, duel, dvorak, fml, fortune, insult, mlia, morse, nickometer, random, redirect, rot13, saydo, tfln and werewolf
[16:27] <Maaz> Ask me "how do I use ..." for more details.
[16:27] <thoquz> how do I use silly fun stuff
[16:28] <thoquz> Maaz use morse
[16:28] <Maaz> thoquz: *blink*
[16:28] <thoquz> Maaz use random
[16:28] <Maaz> thoquz: Sorry...
[16:28] <thoquz> Maaz use random
[16:28] <Maaz> thoquz: *blink*
[16:28] <thoquz> Maaz use rot13 Moo
[16:28] <Maaz> thoquz: *blink*
[16:28] <thoquz> Maaz rot13 "test"
[16:29] <Maaz> thoquz: "grfg"
[16:29] <Kilos> thoquz  morse is easy you just say maaz morse how are you
[16:29] <Kilos> Maaz  morse whats happening
[16:29] <Maaz> Kilos: Encodes as .-- .... .- - ...   .... .- .--. .--. . -. .. -. --.
[16:29] <Kilos> and the same in reverse
[16:30] <thoquz> Maaz bash echo hi
[16:30] <Maaz> good morning
[16:30] <Kilos> Maaz  how do i use random
[16:30] <Maaz> Kilos: Generates random numbers. You can use it like this:
[16:30] <Maaz>   random [ <max> | <min> <max> ]
[16:31] <thoquz> Maaz how do i use bash
[16:31] <Maaz> thoquz: Retrieve quotes from bash.org. You can use it like this:
[16:31] <Maaz>   bash[.org] [(random|<number>)]
[16:32] <thoquz> Maaz help me with south african stuff
[16:32] <Maaz> thoquz: I use the following features for south african stuff: lotto
[16:32] <Maaz> Ask me "how do I use ..." for more details.
[16:32] <thoquz> Maaz how do i use lotto
[16:32] <Maaz> thoquz: Gets the latest lotto results from the South African National Lottery. You can use it like this:
[16:32] <Maaz>   lotto
[16:32] <thoquz> Maaz help me with calculations
[16:32] <Maaz> thoquz: I use the following features for calculations: base, base64, bc, calc, distance, google, hash, ipcalc, nickometer, oeis and random
[16:32] <Maaz> Ask me "how do I use ..." for more details.
[16:33] <thoquz> Maaz how do I use calc
[16:33] <Maaz> thoquz: Returns the anwser to mathematical expressions. Uses Python syntax and semantics (i.e. radians). You can use it like this:
[16:33] <Maaz>   calc <expression>
[16:33] <Maaz>   <expression>
[16:33] <thoquz> Maaz calc 42/0
[16:33] <Maaz> thoquz: I can't divide by zero.
[16:33] <thoquz> Maaz calc (-42)**0.5
[16:33] <Maaz> thoquz: *blink*
[16:34] <thoquz> Maaz rot13 hal
[16:34] <Maaz> thoquz: uny
[16:34] <thoquz> Maaz rot13 ibm
[16:34] <Maaz> thoquz: voz
[16:34] <thoquz> hal reverse racecar
[16:35] <thoquz> Maaz nikometer
[16:35] <Maaz> thoquz: Excuse me?
[16:35] <thoquz> Maaz define define
[16:35] <Maaz> thoquz: Define \De*fine"\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. {Defined}; p. pr. & vb. n. {Defining}.] [OE. definer, usually, to end, to finish, F. d['e]finir to define, L. definire to limit, define; de- + finire to limit, end, finis boundary, limit, end. See {Final}, {Finish}.] 1. To fix the bounds of; to bring to a termination; to end. "To define controversies." --Barrow. [1913
[16:35] <Maaz> Webster]  2. To determine or clearly exhibit the boundaries of; to mark the limits of; as…
[16:36] <thoquz> Haaz help me with browsing the internet
[16:36] <thoquz> Haaz help me with browsing the internet
[16:36] <thoquz> Is there a delay with the bot?
[16:36] <thoquz> Maybe I should private message it, sorry about the spam
[16:39] <thoquz> Maaz rfc 2324
[16:39] <Maaz> thoquz: Hyper Text Coffee Pot Control Protocol (HTCPCP/1.0). L. Masinter. April 1 1998. (Format: TXT=19610 bytes) (Updated by RFC7168) (Status: INFORMATIONAL) http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2324.txt
[16:39] <Kilos> only  when he cant find a reply he drags a bit
[16:40] <thoquz> I see I was typing in the wrong name
[16:40] <bushtech> Maaz does not equal Haaz
[16:40] <Kilos> but he is on a server in germany so lotsa internet between us
[16:40] <Kilos> for browsing the internet you tell him to google somethjing
[16:41] <thoquz> Maaz google bing
[16:41] <Maaz> thoquz: "Bing" http://www.bing.com/ :: "Bing Images - Search the web for pictures, photos & images" https://www.bing.com/images/ :: "Bing Videos" http://www.bing.com/videos/ :: "Bing Maps - Driving Directions, Traffic and Road Conditions" http://www.bing.com/maps/ :: "Search - Bing" http://www.bing.com/?cc=gb :: "Bing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia"
[16:41] <Maaz> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bing :: "Bing (@bing) | Twitter" https://twitter.com/bing :: "Bing Plac…
[16:42] <thoquz> What VPS hosting are you using for it?
[16:42]  * Kilos waves to superfly  and family
[16:43] <Kilos> youll need to ask tumbleweed  or cocooncrash  about that and they both been stolen by silicon valley
[16:44] <Kilos> bushtech  is jou boetie by jou?
[16:44] <Kilos> die ou met die stert
[16:44] <Kilos> hehe
[16:45] <bushtech> huh?
[16:49] <Kilos> lol bushtech _
[16:50] <Kilos> or you online from 2 places
[16:56] <bushtech> yep comparing irc clients to see which one hangs in there the best when my signal gets flakey
[17:19] <Kilos> lol
[17:27] <Kilos> only the quassel hopping
[18:00] <superfly> hi Kilos\
[18:00] <Maaz> superfly: By the way, magespawn on freenode told me "tell superfly thanks" 1 day, 57 minutes and 27 seconds ago
[18:15] <captine> embarrased to say I am going to use SMB shares instead of NFS...  Just cannot mount the nfs share.....
[18:26] <superfly> captine: NFS is WAY easier than SMB, what's your issue?
[18:26] <captine> i have a openmediavault server with an nfs share... trying to mount it times out...
[18:26] <captine> the smb works no prob
[18:26] <captine> i will spend some time in the future to sort it.  Just trying to organize the folders for now
[18:26] <captine> so smb will be ok
[18:27] <captine> I beleive NFS works much better for network drops etc...
[18:27] <captine> which will be what i need it for :)
[18:34] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight. see ya tomorrow
[18:36] <thoquz> Goodnight
[18:38] <superfly> captine: I could never get SMB working properly
[18:38] <superfly> captine: NFS, on the other hand, was simple
[18:39] <captine> :).  seems to be the other way for me.  The shares on on a web frontend of openmediavault (debian based distro).  Unity just browses the network and mounts the folder when i click it.
[18:39] <captine> no command line at the moment
[18:39] <captine> needed
[20:33] <magespawn> right bed time, good night all


[14:41] <Gwadaboug> hello room
[14:41] <Gwadaboug> please i need help
[14:43] <persia> With which?
[14:44] <Gwadaboug> i use Jasper Report and when i lauch my webapplication on windows, my the date is formatd in french, but on linux it is in english
[14:45] <Gwadaboug> i need my date format in french :s
[14:45] <Gwadaboug> do you know how can i setup it?
[14:46] <Gwadaboug> please
[14:47] <nthykier> Gwadaboug: have you tried setting your LC_TIME variable?
[14:47] <nthykier> (before starting your java application)
[14:49] <Gwadaboug> no i tried 'dpkg-reconfigure locales'
[14:49] <Gwadaboug> because when i do 'date' my date is in french
[14:51] <nthykier> maybe your application has a config file asking it you use a different format then - I haven't used Jasper Report, so I really cannot say.
[15:02] <Gwadaboug> thank you i will try that


[16:59] <Unit193> IdleOne: Hey, can you do this http://pastebin.com/T0zKxEP9 ?
[16:59] <IdleOne> gimme a few, wrestling windows 7 into submission (or trying to)
[17:00] <IdleOne> !hi-#xubuntu is <reply> Hi!, Welcome to $chan! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines. Enjoy your stay!
[17:01] <IdleOne> !no hi-#xubuntu is <reply> Hi!, Welcome to $chan! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines. Enjoy your stay!
[17:01] <IdleOne> !hi-#lubuntu is <alias> hi-#xubuntu
[17:01] <IdleOne> done
[17:01] <Unit193> Danke!
[17:01] <IdleOne> welcome


[00:37]  * Mega help
[01:24] <gpdev> Hi guys, can someone please confirm that irc nicks can be registered for this channel?
[02:32] <fnurl> lol @ RoyK
[02:32] <fnurl> no worries, for a second I got excited and thought somebody had answered my issue
[02:33] <fnurl> thin client printing on Pinet/LTSP/Chroot/CUPS
[02:41] <fnurl> lol @ RoyK, np, igot a bit excited thinking someone had answered my issue is all :p
[02:47] <lkthomas> folks, I am trying to reload udev rules without reboot,
[02:48] <lkthomas> udevadm control --reload-rules
[02:48] <lkthomas>  udevadm trigger --attr-match=subsystem=net
[02:48] <lkthomas> after execute, interface name still not changed
[05:58] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:17] <adun153> Hi! I'm having problems getting a slightly older server to boot an Ubuntu 14.04.3 installer from a flash drive. This is a BIOS system. I am not encountering any problems when I try to boot it from my UEFI-based laptop. Is there an issue regarding the installer that I should know about?
[06:19] <lordievader> How was the live-usb made?
[06:21] <adun153> lordievader: Through Startup Disk creator on my laptop
[06:22] <adun153> that would be usb-creator-gtk or usb-creator-helper
[06:22] <lordievader> adun153: You could try and make a new one with unetbootin, rarely had success with the ubuntu startupdisk creator.
[06:22] <adun153> I see
[06:22] <adun153> yeah, just tried that right now.
[06:23] <adun153> Was about to reboot when I saw your reply
[06:23] <adun153> thanks
[10:10] <gnuoy> jamespage, I've got a ceph packaging question. The radosgw restart bug looks to be http://tracker.ceph.com/issues/11140 . This was fixed in v9 by the looks of it, so I think I need to cherry pick the fix back to 0.80.10 and create a pull request for that. In the mean time fix it via a packaging patch and create an SRU. Does that sound right?
[10:12] <jamespage> gnuoy, if that's only fixed in >= 9 you'll need to target fixes to 14.04, 15.04 and 15.10
[10:12] <gnuoy> ok, thanks
[10:13] <jamespage> gnuoy, this commit - https://github.com/ceph/ceph/commit/059674a686b4c6e5d19d5204dc41ab13d2954d0a ?
[10:13] <gnuoy> jamespage, yes
[10:15] <jamespage> gnuoy, ack - that's the right approach then
[10:16] <gnuoy> ta
[10:31] <rbasak> utlemmin`: I think open-vm-tools needs some attention. Judging from unconfirmed bug reports, it seems that it won't work against Linux 4.1 and a newer upstream is available?
[10:31] <rbasak> utlemmin`: please could you take a look?
[11:24] <jamespage> gnuoy, I'm about todo a point release for wily if you want me to include that patch?
[11:28] <jamespage> gnuoy, doing that anyway - I'll do the same for the vivid sru, if you'd like to prepare the trusty SRU that would be great
[11:30] <jamespage> gnuoy, hmm - which version of the init script do we get in Ubuntu?
[12:11] <gnuoy> jamespage, sorry, was lunching. We get src/init-radosgw in Ubuntu which is the same in 0.80.10 =< release < 9, unles I've misunderstood your question ?
[12:51] <teward> rbasak: i can say with relative certainty that's also a VMware problem as well, they still haven't fixed their tools for even the latest LTS kernel in Trusty, either.  (and I virtualize a lot of things0
[12:52] <teward> rbasak: but yes open-vm-tools probably needs attention anyways
[12:52] <teward> (it's vmhgfs stuff still doesn't work even under Trusty)
[12:53] <gnuoy> jamespage, ok, I think I've done all I can do for Trusty. I've greated a mp against  lp:ubuntu/trusty-proposed/ceph and the bug has the SRU info in it
[12:55] <gnuoy> jamespage, I have a pull request upstream for firefly ( https://github.com/ceph/ceph/pull/5831 ) but given 0.94.1 and 0.94.2 are not names releases I'm guessing there is no point doing one for them too?
[13:09] <jamespage> gnuoy, those are the hammer release
[13:10] <gnuoy> jamespage, so is the plan to pull vivid and wily to 0.94.3 then?
[13:10] <jamespage> gnuoy, yes
[13:11] <gnuoy> ok, I'll cherry pick the fix to hammer, thanks
[13:11] <jamespage> for wily I have the upload prepared but the commit you pointed to - I could not specifically see how that was going to help with the shutdown process?
[13:12] <gnuoy> jamespage, you can see  how it helps for wily or you can't see why it helps at all?
[13:12] <gnuoy> s/you can see/you can't see/
[13:13] <jamespage> gnuoy, whats the default for rgw_exit_timeout_secs
[13:13] <jamespage> ?
[13:13] <gnuoy> jamespage, 120
[13:13] <jamespage> gnuoy, ok - I see now
[13:13] <jamespage> fine - uploading to wily
[13:13] <gnuoy> kk
[13:27] <gnuoy> jamespage, hammer pull request done. Should I be looking for an Ubuntu sponsor for the trusty SRU? Not sure where I stand since you're doing vivid and wily
[13:28] <jamespage> gnuoy, I'll do it
[13:28] <gnuoy> thanks
[13:29] <jamespage> gnuoy, btw is perfectly acceptable to pull the patch directly from github
[13:32] <gnuoy> jamespage, do you mean rather than creating a quilt patch?
[13:34] <jamespage> gnuoy, yeah - I just dump the <commit>.patch content into a file in d/p and then add it to series
[13:34] <jamespage> normally works OK and you get the upstream commit message as well
[13:34] <jamespage> otherwise its tricky to trace the patch heritage without adding headers manually
[13:35] <gnuoy> ah, ok, good to know
[13:36] <RoyK> anyone that knows something like a 'locate' system (slocate/mlocate) that can use a central database?
[13:45] <jamespage> gnuoy, actually can you do that for your proposed trusty update? save me feeding back 'no traceablility' on the MP
[13:48] <gnuoy> ok, will do
[14:19] <gnuoy> jamespage, done
[15:00] <rbasak> smb: have you seen DPDK upstream's replies?
[15:01] <rbasak> smb: looks like upstream have removed CONFIG_RTE_LIBNAME now and it's hardcoded to dpdk
[15:01] <rbasak> smb: but I take it the question about the version is still missing?
[15:01] <rbasak> smb: or is that also now taking the version number from upstream?
[15:03] <jamespage> gnuoy, merged and uploaded you trusty fix - tweaked the changelog entry to match the same I did for vivid
[15:03] <jamespage> (and removed your crufty older patch :-))
[15:04] <jamespage> gnuoy, its stacked ontop of the zap disks fix right now - Ideally we want to push that through first, but your change includes that one so we should be ok
[15:05] <gnuoy> jamespage, ok, thanks for that. I guess quilt delete does not actually remove the patch but just stops applying it
[15:05] <jamespage> gnuoy, yes
[15:26] <jamespage> gnuoy, a good first start at triage - and thanks for emailing the team - helps all involved to learn
[15:58] <coetry> I have a fresh ubuntu server from digital ocean and am trying to install the lamp stack, but i'm running into a weird problem that i haven't before
[15:58] <coetry> Here is some output from my terminal
[15:58] <coetry> http://pastie.org/10403306#36-40
[16:09] <maxb> coetry: Looks like they system has been put in a seriously bizarre state, I'd throw it away, and start from a clean OS install
[16:10] <maxb> And second time around, be more careful about what you change in /etc/apt/, this looks like some unpleasane mixing of incompatible OS versions to me
[16:20] <coetry> ok, thank you
[17:10] <teward> postfix question.  If I have an SSL cert, say, for skyfall.domain.tld, does the 'myhostname' field for postfix have to match the FQDN on the cert?
[17:11] <quantic> teward: i don't know if it HAS to, but it should or some systems may whine about it.
[17:11] <quantic> teward: at least, I believe so. I'm not really a postfix guru.
[17:12] <teward> my assumption is it should so i'mma do that anyways
[17:12] <rbasak> Not knowing this side of Postfix, I imagine that if it works like anything else it'll use whatever certificate you give it to use, and what you really have is a TLS over SMTP question rather than a Postfix question as to whether other MTAs will accept it. It might be worth looking at the relevant RFCs.
[17:25] <teward> i think i've figured it out with postfix's docs
[17:25] <teward> but if I stop getting mail I know that I broke it xD
[17:40] <JanC> you could also just test it  :)
[17:53] <teward> JanC: True, but a notification is primed to go out in... oh, 7 minutes... anyways
[17:53] <teward> so :p
[18:00] <jelly> teward: I'd imagine myhostname was less relevant than PTR and A record of the submission or smtp service listener IP
[18:03] <teward> mmm
[18:12] <edgy> Hi, My web server (ubuntu 14.04 LTS) running as kvm machine frequently stopped working since some days ago. I cannot access the page. I try to ssh or ping but still but not response. However, I managed to login via console and can't see anything wrong
[18:20] <tanuki> edgy: What happens when you run ifconfig?
[18:20] <tanuki> If it works via the console but ssh and ping fail, that screams network failure
[18:20] <edgy> tanuki: I see my interfaces
[18:21] <tanuki> Are the ones that are supposed to be up up?
[18:21] <tanuki> Can you connect out?
[18:22] <edgy> tanuki: Umm! unfortunately, I didn't notice it and rebooted, but next time I would check whether it's UP
[18:22] <edgy> tanuki: good question i will try to ping out next time
[18:23] <edgy> anything else you need me to check?
[18:23] <edgy> tanuki: ^
[18:23] <edgy> and what can be the cause of such things?
[18:25] <tanuki> Not sure. Just running through standard troubleshooting steps.
[18:26] <edgy> tanuki: thanks a lot for your valuable hints, I will check this next time
[19:23] <AEL-H> I am trying to get some sound to play through the speakers attached to the computer running ubuntu server but I am having no luck, can someone please give me some guidance? (I am a linux newbie)
[19:27] <SCHAAP137> AEL-H, install alsa and alsa-tools, add your user account to the audio group, then reboot
[19:27] <SCHAAP137> afterwards use alsamixer to control volume levels
[20:25] <AEL-H> I rebooted my computer, now nothing is coming up on screen and my computer makes a beeping sound on startup
[20:45] <RoyK> AEL-H: what sort of beeping?
[20:45] <RoyK> AEL-H: usually the BIOS has a beep thing if hardware is failing - the sequence is somewhat like morse code - short or long beeps
[20:45] <AEL-H> RoyK: a long beep and then two short beeps -- which I think means there is a problem with the video adapter , but I don't understand how this would arise suddenly
[20:46] <RoyK> it's not linux' fault - it's hardware
[20:46] <AEL-H> Guess I'll open it up tomorrow:) thank you
[20:46] <RoyK> http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/289971-30-ex58-ud3r-long-short-bios-beep-code
[20:47] <RoyK> unplug the video adapter and replug it
[20:47] <RoyK> that might work
[20:47] <AEL-H> I am just not sure why the problem would arise so suddenly? It worked fine until reboot then had a problem
[20:48] <RoyK> well, linux certainly has nothing to do with that
[20:48] <AEL-H> true:)
[20:48] <RoyK> BIOS happens long before Linux loads
[20:49] <RoyK> not sure why BIOS will morse you a D for that, though ;)
[20:50] <AEL-H> haha
[20:50] <RoyK> perhaps a bit easier than morsing --. .-. .- .--. .... .. -.-. ... / -.-. .- .-. -.. / -.. . ..-. . -.-. - .. ...- .
[20:50] <JanC> RoyK: D for Display?  ;)
[20:50] <RoyK> probably ;)
[20:51] <JanC> or maybe "graphics card" starts with a "D" in Chinese
[20:51] <JanC> it's different for many BIOS providers too
[20:52] <RoyK> not likely, even though chieftek has very good Engrish in their products
[20:55] <JanC> Chinese might have its own "morse code"-equivalent too
[20:55] <JanC> or maybe the signals are just chosen randomly
[20:56] <RoyK> .... --
[20:56] <JanC> or whatever the developer who programs a particular part of the BIOS likes
[20:56] <RoyK> that would be a good BIOS message
[20:57] <RoyK> .-- - ..-. ..--..


[18:51]  * antarus hates partman so much
[19:00] <infinity> antarus: It's probably not fond of you either.
[19:03] <antarus> no its terrible
[19:03] <antarus> we have a preseed
[19:04] <antarus> then we have a 'goobuntu-partitioner' udeb
[19:04] <antarus> that has its own magical preseeds
[19:04] <antarus> and resets nearly all the partman preseed values itself
[19:04] <antarus> so most of the preseed is just ignored
[19:04] <antarus> ugh
[19:04] <antarus> just trying to figure out if we encrypt all available disks took me an hour :(
[19:05] <antarus> really need to rewrite d-i ni go