[13:04] <TJ-> PCatinean: Have you run a remote latency/speed test on the connection just in case there's some intermittent issue?
[13:04] <goju> Cyb3rn3t: do I have to type out these commands one after the another in the terminal window or any on e of them will do
[13:04] <PCatinean> TJ-, no I have not to be honest
[13:04] <TJ-> PCatinean: always worth doing to save pulling your hair out when it's a temporary network issue
[13:04] <Cyb3rn3t> goju: whatever
[13:05] <sicom> yo
[13:05] <sicom> Cyb3rn3t:szevasz!
[13:05] <goju> ok trying the commands one after another.
[13:05] <PCatinean> That sounds about right, how do I do it TJ- ?
[13:05] <goju> plz do not go afk
[13:06] <TJ-> PCatinean: find some speedtest internet site like http://speedtest.net
[13:06] <TJ-> PCatinean: although that site require (urghh!) flash!
[13:07] <TJ-> PCatinean: an alternative is http://http://speedof.me/
[13:07] <TJ-> PCatinean: an alternative is http://speedof.me/
[13:07] <mikubuntu> TJ-: success with ubuntu 1204 running live, but i wonder if it will be too clunky for this little netbook. do you think i might have luck with lubuntu 12.04 as well? oops, spoke too soon, some problem activating broadcom driver
[13:09] <TJ-> mikubuntu: Always issues with Broadcom :p  You can install lubuntu as an alternative desktop with "sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop^"
[13:09] <mikubuntu> TJ-: hmmmm ... i suppose the problem downloading the broadcom driver is that i don't have a wired connection on the box, huh.
[13:10] <TJ-> mikubuntu: Then, next time you start the display manager you'll get an option to choose between desktops, Ubuntu or Lubuntu
[13:10] <TJ-> mikubuntu: That would sound sensible, yes :)
[13:10] <goju> apt-get upgrade -y returns : E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
[13:11] <mikubuntu> yes, i forgot about that just adding the the desktop alternative TJ-
[13:11] <TJ-> goju: Those commands need root privileges; prefix them with "sudo "
[13:11] <Cyb3rn3t> TJ, PCatinean: BTW, last week I installed ubuntu 14.04 on my old laptop, and I had this issue :S Every day morning I had to restart the router, and it worked for 1 day, but after the transmiss speed go down under 1MBit...., there was no simmilar channel there, and the tr signal was very good.... I changed the OS, and it works well now
[13:11] <goju> thanks
[13:11] <PCatinean> that's...strange?
[13:11] <TJ-> Cyb3rn3t: That sounds like a network driver issue
[13:12] <Cyb3rn3t> TJ-: that was I suppoused
[13:12] <AppAraat> hello, I'm a bit familiar with the CLI and wanted to install the latest 15.04 Ubuntu minimal. My end goal is to have i3wm desktop configured and perhaps along with an XFCE desktop. Is there anything I should keep in mind?
[13:12] <TJ-> Cyb3rn3t: Used to see that alot with Intel IWL{3,4}9x5 chipsets when trying to use 802.11n (MIMO) - the solution was to lock them to use only 802.11G
[13:13] <goju> It returns: Reading package lists... Error!
[13:13] <goju> E: Read error - read (5: Input/output error)
[13:13] <goju> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[13:13] <TJ-> goju: That suggests the system's package lists under /var/lib/apt/lists/ may be corrupted
[13:14] <brainwash> AppAraat: anything? like what?
[13:14] <TJ-> goju: If the /ar/lib/dpkg/status file is corrupt you'd need to restore it from a back-up
[13:14] <AppAraat> brainwash: like some gotchas or required and/or interesting reading material. Otherwise experience from other people would be fine too :)
[13:15] <maxb> Having upgraded an old netbook from trusty to utopic to vivid, it now tries to sleep / suspend-to-memory spuriously during boot - sometimes repeatedly. I'm inclined to blame systemd. Any thoughts on how to further analyse the problem, anyone?
[13:15] <Cyb3rn3t> goju: try to remove any added repos from the sources.list
[13:16] <brainwash> AppAraat: well, you have to be a bit more specific. ideally, you should just go for it and then ask here if you encounter some issue(s)
[13:16] <PCatinean> TJ-, I might be able to do that as well but why did the previous installation have no problems and this one does? because it's 14.04.2?
[13:16] <TJ-> maxb: Look for clues in the system logs, especially "/var/log/kern.log"
[13:16] <Cyb3rn3t> maxb: this bug is present in 14.04 too, this is happening with my laptop, when the battery is running out of powaaaaa
[13:17] <TJ-> PCatinean: I can't explain it, it might be a driver config issue or something else entirely. These issues need to use a process of elimination  to reduce the possibilities
[13:17] <drake766> hey guys how safe is to store cronjob in /home/someholder?
[13:17] <maxb> TJ-: I'm tentatively thinking this is a userland problem, something seems to be causing systemd to fire off its sleep handling for no reason
[13:17] <PCatinean> Download speed is 1.47mb/s and upload 10.21mb/s
[13:17] <ikonia> drake766: why would it noot be safe ?
[13:18] <TJ-> maxb: Is the battery reporting good charge at the time?
[13:18] <maxb> Yes, it's fully charged
[13:18] <TJ-> PCatinean: that download looks very low
[13:18] <PCatinean> Though it simply stops streaming videos from time to time on multiple streaming services
[13:18] <PCatinean> No problems in Windows though, hmm
[13:18] <TJ-> maxb: Does the same happen if the netbook is powered by the charger
[13:18] <molgrum> what's the difference between package "node", "nodejs" and "nodejs-legacy"?
[13:18] <drake766> i dont know my client complains so i dont know what to answer him
[13:19] <AppAraat> brainwash: yeah I suppose I should. Could I install it on one computer, transfer its HDD to another computer... would everything be able to work on that second computer without issues (since the kernel 'autodetects' hardware by itself) ?
[13:19] <TJ-> AppAraat: If the 2nd doesn't have hardware that requires proprietary binary blobs to be loaded, it should be fine
[13:20] <zykotick9> AppAraat: as TJ- mentioned proprietary wireless/video could be an issue.  as would amd64->i386 architecture.
[13:20] <maxb> TJ-: Yes. It really doesn't look like a low-power event is related at all
[13:21] <AppAraat> ah hmm, I'll keep that in mind
[13:21] <TJ-> maxb: Hmmm. I'd *hope* there was something in the log files
[13:22] <maxb> There are messages saying systemd is activating sleep.target, but not why
[13:22] <goju> Thanks a lot Cyb3rn3t I ran all the command as you suggested as root adding sudo and the red sign is there no more.
[13:22] <TJ-> maxb: The other option is to configure the kernel with netconsole logging over a wired network and capture the console log message on another PC
[13:23] <maxb> You think log messages are being lost that aren't making it to normal files, even though it's just doing a suspend-to-memory?
[13:24] <TJ-> maxb: it depends on when the sleep occurs. It could be before the root FS is mounted r/w
[13:25] <maxb> it
[13:25] <maxb> it's fairly late. the FS is definitely up
[13:25] <maxb> plus, I can just resume and continue looking at the system state
[13:26] <TJ-> maxb: OK, then you might find something there to give a clue
[13:30] <maxb> Sadly there really isn't anything
[13:31] <TJ-> maxb: take a read of this answer and the thread it is on generally; it may be related
[13:31] <TJ-> maxb: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/10/msg02213.html
[13:32] <TrebleChef> i have a 8core cpu and I notice compiz is taking around 60 percent of that. I have changed it to "fast" but it still consumes massive amounts of cpu, this is a virtual machine, any way to forgo the fancy compiz visuals in exchange for my cpu back?
[13:32] <maxb> Other interesting datapoints - the sleeping seems somewhat blocked by entering a desktop session, but if I go to tty1, it repeatedly sleeps
[13:33] <maxb> and, by creating a hook in /lib/systemd/system-sleep/ that never exits, the sleeping seems delayed
[13:33] <TJ-> maxb: what make/model of PC is it?
[13:33] <OmiKrOn> so I have these routes
[13:33] <OmiKrOn> <IP_ADDRESS>/24 dev eth0  proto kernel  scope link  src <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:33] <OmiKrOn> x.x.x.x via <IP_ADDRESS> dev eth0  proto static
[13:33] <OmiKrOn> y.y.y.y via <IP_ADDRESS> dev eth0  proto static
[13:33] <maxb> Aspire One D150
[13:33] <OmiKrOn> the y.y.y.y (2nd) one is failing at random times
[13:33] <maxb> Acer
[13:33] <OmiKrOn> any ideas?
[13:34] <trijntje> TrebleChef: maybe give the virtual machine access to your video card? 3d/2d acceleration. Or just install a light version of ubuntu like lubuntu
[13:34] <TJ-> maxb: Haha!!!! ACPI bug ... in that thread I linked for you, is this one, see footnote [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/10/msg02168.html
[13:35] <TrebleChef> i see, apparently its not enabled by default in virtualbox.
[13:35] <TJ-> maxb: In summary, you need the latest BIOS update from Acer than fixes a bug where ACPI is continuously reporting to the operating system that the lid has been closed
[13:35] <ikonia> TJ-: excellent work !
[13:36] <mikubuntu> TJ-: so if i manage to get ubuntu 1204 installed, and then i sudo add lubuntu desktop, will it automagically retrieve lubuntu 1204 or will it reach for the most current version which will be a problem?
[13:37] <Alina-malina> maxb, this drake766 asked a question i am curious about it as well? Does the files created by root will be seen in this /home/somefolder directory?
[13:37] <maxb> TJ-: Wow. Thanks. If only something logged something about lid state, that would have been much less frustrating! :-)
[13:37] <trijntje> mikubuntu: you will get the 12.04 version, but why not intall lubuntu directly?
[13:37] <TJ-> mikubuntu: Lubuntu is just an alternative set of packages nothing magically, it's packaged as an ISO to make it easy to install from scratch. If it installs and works OK you can remove the ubuntu-desktop packages
[13:37] <TJ-> maxb: Don't say that until you've proved this is the issue!!
[13:39] <TJ-> maxb: My next suggestion would have been to enable a lot more kernel debug messages including acpi.debug=xxxx
[13:40] <mikubuntu> TJ-: i don't mind having both desktop environments available. now i'm seeing i have another (unexpected) problem. this hp mini 1000 doesnt appear to have ethernet port, how am i supposed to download the wireless driver for broadcom? arrrrgh.
[13:41] <TJ-> mikubuntu: Are you ready to throw it at the wall yet? :D
[13:41] <mikubuntu> TJ-: getting close
[13:42] <TJ-> mikubuntu: I'm reading that the 210 does have an ethernet port
[13:42] <maxb> TJ-: It looks distinctly like HandleLidSwitch=ignore has worked around it nicely, so this seems fairly proven - thanks again!   I'm running Ubuntu 15.04 with unity. When I move my cursor to the very top of the screen, it disappears. Any ideas?
[13:50] <mikubuntu> TJ-: this apparently not the same unit, does not look the same. i notice that i've seen many references to hp mini 210 1000, but the sticker on the bottom of this just says hp mini 1000, so there is some difference
[13:51] <OmiKrOn> top of the screen is the door to Narnia
[13:51] <Peter-C> I have a Ubuntu Server 14.04.2 with a 1GB/s connection. When I run Speedtest-CLI I am only getting 40 up 40 down. Mii-tool says this: eth0: negotiated 1000baseT-FD flow-control, link ok
[13:51] <QuantumVacuum> Haha indeed
[13:51] <TJ-> mikubuntu: is there any model reference number on the sticker beside that
[13:52] <TJ-> mikubuntu: If it's running try: "lspci -nnv" and look for 'Ethernet" or "Realtek"
[13:52] <OmiKrOn> Peter-C:maybe that's the limit set up by your ISP on their end
[13:52] <Peter-C> Server is on a VM. It runs a full 1gb/s on a Windows box which works
[13:52] <mikubuntu> TJ-: ok lemme see
[13:52] <Peter-C> OmiKrOn, http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4416221261 this is the Windows VM, same connection. Tried turning the Windows VM off, still only get 40 up 40 down
[13:53] <freezer__> Peter-C, ubuntu is a VM or windows?
[13:53] <OmiKrOn> Peter-C: what CPU do you have there?
[13:53] <Peter-C> Both run off an ESXI box
[13:53] <freezer__> Peter-C, and the windows VM does get full 1Gbit in speedtest?
[13:53] <Peter-C> Yes freezer__ - http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4416221261
[13:54] <OmiKrOn> I hardly imagine that to happen freezer__
[13:54] <freezer__> Peter-C, which country is the server hosted in?
[13:54] <Peter-C> US
[13:55] <Peter-C> It's in a Datacenter. No access to physical box.
[13:55] <freezer__> Peter-C, try wget -O /dev/null http://mirror.pnl.gov/releases/15.04/ubuntu-15.04-desktop-i386.iso
[13:55] <TJ-> Peter-C: Any bandwidth limits set in the port group definition?
[13:55] <freezer__> Peter-C, in the ubuntu shell
[13:56] <Peter-C> I get ~40MB down. Now idea how to do a preformance test for upload though
[13:56] <Peter-C> Last night I was getting 200 down, 40 up.
[13:57] <Peter-C> Tried making a new Ubuntu server fresh. Same issue.
[13:57] <freezer__> Peter-C, 40Mbyte or 40Mbit?
[13:57] <Peter-C> It runs the same config as the Wundows
[13:57] <Peter-C> freezer__, Byte
[13:57] <OmiKrOn> Peter-C:what does mii-tool say?
[13:57] <Peter-C> *40 MB now on a download, 40 megabit upload
[13:57] <freezer__> does it use native drivers for the NIC or legacy? Not that familiar with VMWare though
[13:57] <mikubuntu> TJ-:  looks like model# 1030NR
[13:58] <Peter-C> eth0: negotiated 1000baseT-FD flow-control, link ok
[13:58] <freezer__> Peter-C, so thats like 350Mbit download
[13:58] <Peter-C> The upload is still poor, which is really what I care about.
[13:58] <Peter-C> It is still weirds that the download is pretty decent, but upload is bad.
[13:59] <freezer__> Peter-C, that doesn't have to mean anything, could still be some sort of compatability driver
[13:59] <freezer__> maybe you need to install some sort of guest modules for best NIC performance
[13:59] <OmiKrOn> Peter-C: have you played there with tc qdisc or something similar?
[13:59] <Peter-C> OmiKrOn, no
[13:59] <OmiKrOn> have you installed vmware-tools?
[13:59] <TJ-> mikubuntu: "Integrated 10/100 network interface card (NIC)" according to page 2 of http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c01683469
[14:00] <OmiKrOn> Peter-C:  have you installed vmware-tools on that guest?
[14:00] <Peter-C> OmiKrOn, neg,
[14:00] <Peter-C> will try that now
[14:00] <OmiKrOn> do it, reboot and test again
[14:01] <TJ-> mikubuntu: According to the illustrations its on the left side nearest the hinge with a cover over irt
[14:01] <OmiKrOn> then google for answers if it's still not working because this is a HAL layer issue
[14:01] <OmiKrOn> I am sure it will work with something with e1000 or vmxnet3...not sure which one is compatible with yours
[14:02] <smainoo> hi guys , is there anyone who know how i can compile an old linux kernel like v2.0.1 on host machine with a new kernel ?
[14:03] <OmiKrOn> smainoo: what troubles are you running into?
[14:04] <smainoo> OmiKron : problems with Gcc , i read some articles on how you can use an older Gcc version in the same host machine , but seems ver annoying path
[14:05] <OmiKrOn> yeah I think you have to go to #gcc for that
[14:05] <TJ-> mikubuntu: In the bug tracker someone claiming to have the 1030NR has an lspci that shows: "02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8040 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller [11ab:4354]"
[14:06] <nickhs> smainoo: You may prefer to run an old release of ubuntu in a virtual machine - you fetch old releases from http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/ and tools like vagrant and virtualbox will help you
[14:06] <TJ-> smainoo: quickest way might be to use a virtual machine or chroot or LXC and install a very old version of Debian in it that has the GCC version required to build the 2.x kernel
[14:07] <smainoo> nickhs & TJ- : this is the idea i was searching for ;)
[14:08] <smainoo> nickhs : thank you
[14:08] <smainoo> TJ_: thank you
[14:08] <smainoo> TJ- : thank you
[14:09] <TJ-> smainoo: my mainline/Ubuntu git repos don't have tags for 2.01 so I'd guess you'll need Debian rather than Ubuntu gcc packages to do it
[14:09] <mikubuntu> TJ-:  this looks like the right unit, but it doesn't show an ethernet port that i can see http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c01683469 -- i just took a pic of the lspci nnv readout, and its similar to what you say with the marvel tech but i CANT find an eth0 port
[14:09] <mikubuntu> TJ-: gnna post pic to imagebin
[14:09] <TJ-> mikubuntu: Everywhere I've seen it mentioned its behind a plastic cover with a very small network icon i it
[14:12] <beterraba> test
[14:12] <Guest49458> help about ltsp
[14:12] <TJ-> mikubuntu: Left side, nearest the front with a headphone jack socket next to it?
[14:12] <beterraba> help ltsp
[14:13] <cfhowlett> !ltsp | beterraba
[14:14] <mikubuntu> TJ-: http://imagebin.ca/v/24XGIzGm0dD6
[14:15] <TJ-> mikubuntu: Now take photos of the left, right, and rear edges please :)
[14:17] <BluesKaj> mikubuntu, don't use the flash on your camera
[14:17] <mikubuntu> TJ-: dOH! yes, left side front with a little rubber cover -- let me go hook up and see if i can dl the driver. but the driver installer has been hung up for the last half hour going back and forth and won't shut down, don't know if that's gonna be a problem.
[14:17] <TJ-> mikubuntu: YAY!
[14:17] <dougquaid> I'm running 14.04 and I want to change my hostname. I've edited /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname. How do I make the changes take effect. In earlier versions of ubuntu I thought it wast /etc/init.d/hostname restart, but that file doesn't exist in 14.04
[14:18] <BluesKaj> dougquaid, rebot
[14:18] <BluesKaj> er reboot
[14:18] <cfhowlett> robot?
[14:18] <mikubuntu> BluesKaj: yeah i see that, sry
[14:18] <Alina-malina> maxb, this drake766 asked a question i am curious about it as well? Does the files created by root will be seen in this /home/somefolder directory?
[14:19] <BluesKaj> are you a bot cfhowlett, you reacted too quickly :-)
[14:19] <dougquaid> BluesKaj: What is this, Windows? I'm sure there's a way to do it without reboot
[14:19] <TJ-> dougquaid: "sudo hostname myhostname"
[14:19] <cfhowlett> :)
[14:19] <kev999> Hi, just installed suPHP on ubuntu 14.04lts and new folders / files are being created with permissions 700 and 755 - I want them as 0755 644 - where do I make the update - read something about umask, but don't know where this is defined either - plse help
[14:19] <BluesKaj> dougquaid, when I changed hostnames I had to reboot, dunno whay tho
[14:19] <dougquaid> TJ-: Thanks
[14:21] <nicomachus> hi guys, question about installing a second distro alongside ubuntu: if my full disk is encrypted currently, can I still install a second partition the normal way? I know I can't change the size of an encrypted petition with gparted because it has to be manually, but I'm not sure how the partitioning is done on install
[14:22] <TJ-> nicomachus: No, not easily *unless* the current OS is installed using LVM inside the encrypted partition
[14:23] <nicomachus> yea it's LVM.
[14:23] <nicomachus> wait, nvm, I see what you're saying.
[14:23] <nicomachus> could I install a *second* OS inside the partition? Or would it just wipe the first?
[14:26] <TJ-> nicomachus: It would depend on the installer. In that situation I'd do it manually. Create a new LV with sufficient space, mount it as a drive for a virtual machine, and then install the new OS into the VM without allowing it to install a boot-loader. Then I'd shutdown the VM and have the system boot-loader discover the alternative OS and add it as a boot option
[14:26] <n-iCe> hi
[14:27] <TJ-> nicomachus: If the installer insists on a boot loader being installed I'd configure the VM with a 2nd, small LV, for it to write the bootloader to, and then destroy that later
[14:29] <nicomachus> That's a pretty interesting way to do it. Worth a shot.
[14:33] <nicomachus> Thanks for the advice, TJ-
[14:33] <The-Silence> hi there
[14:34] <The-Silence> i need to upgrade my activemq (5.6.0) in ubuntu trusty...
[14:34] <MonkeyDust> !find activemq
[14:35] <The-Silence> i've installed, but always going to version 5.6.0
[14:35] <MonkeyDust> The-Silence  yes, vivid has 5.6.0 in the repos
[14:36] <The-Silence> MonkeyDust: i've install puppetlab repo
[14:36] <The-Silence> so, it's suposed to going from there...
[14:36] <The-Silence> this is weird
[14:37] <The-Silence> MonkeyDust: there's a way to upgrade it?
[14:37] <MonkeyDust> The-Silence  i'm not familiar enough with puppet
[14:37] <nicomachus> The-Silence: if you've run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade then it should be up to date
[14:37] <The-Silence> i've done that :\
[14:38] <The-Silence> i've removed the packages and install it again..
[14:39] <TJ-> nicomachus: I've often fooled installers in the past in that scenario by using several separate loop mount devices to make up a single md device in RAID-0 config, so I'll have a 2048 sector file for the MBR area then an LVM for the first partition. Then use the MD device in the VM to install to and it thinks it sees a single device and writes the MBR code into the 2048 sector prefix file. You set it up so the first partition starts where the 2048 sector file ends
[14:39] <TJ-> and then you get a complete install without issues and can ditch the 2048 sector file after.
[14:43] <TJ-> nicomachus: If you choose that route you should use MD metadata veresion 1.0 (which stores its metadata at the end of the MD device) and have a small binary file *after* the LVM as well where the MD superblock will be written to, which can be discarded later. I usually make that the same size as the prefix (2048 sectors) although I think it only needs to be 64 sectors
[14:48] <ANJ7> I'm not receiving the update of messages in chatbox of facebook
[14:48] <ANJ7> I'm using ubuntu 14.10
[14:48] <nicomachus> facebook <----there's your problem
[14:48] <mikubuntu> TJ-: don't know what to do -- i had to restart the unit to get the driver installer to shut down so i could restart in on ethernet. now it tells me that its connected, but i started firefox to make sure, and it's hung up again. if i power off to shut it down will it lose all live settings?
[14:48] <ANJ7> nicomachus: its the problem of operating system.
[14:49] <ANJ7> all the browsers do that
[14:50] <PCatinean> can someone help me with this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2219014
[14:50] <mikubuntu> TJ-: cursor stopped working as well
[14:50] <nicomachus> Just a joke, ANJ7. What's the problem specifically? You're using facebook chat in the browser, but you aren't receiving messages?
[14:50] <TJ-> mikubuntu: You mean the PC is claiming to be connected over Ethernet?
[14:50] <PCatinean> I tried the commands but it says on the first modprobe that the driver is in use
[14:50] <PCatinean> not sure where to move onto
[14:50] <TJ-> mikubuntu: Is it using the Ubuntu desktop or lubuntu?
[14:50] <Micromus> Say I need a simple nginx webserver, what version/how do I install ubuntu so that it takes as little space as possible? My current "mini" install over the internet takes 1200mb before anything else is installed!
[14:50] <mikubuntu> TJ-: its actually claiming to have made the wireless connection, which is conceivable
[14:51] <ANJ7> nicomachus: hmm...ok, i'll just leave. It'll be solved when I update my system to 15
[14:51] <mikubuntu> TJ-: i mean, it did seem to download the driver
[14:51] <zerowaitstate> is anyone here familiar with auditd?
[14:51] <TJ-> mikubuntu: but if the wifi driver is bad, incomplete (broadcome sometimes need binary blobs for firmware) then it won't work. I'd prefer to work off Ethernet wired until I was sure
[14:51] <ANJ7> after 2-3 months...
[14:51] <nicomachus> ANJ7: Sorry, I'm trying to help.
[14:51] <nicomachus> ANJ7: I tried to ask what exactly your problem was.
[14:51] <ANJ7> nicomachus: oh, ok. lets try
[14:52] <TJ-> Micromus: Server ISO is usually the base for that
[14:52] <nicomachus> You're using facebook chat in the browser, but you aren't receiving messages, correct?
[14:52] <Micromus> TJ-: well yes, but can I use snappy core for example as well?
[14:52] <ANJ7> nicomachus: the messages in my inbox aren't showing up until I refresh the browser.
[14:52] <mikubuntu> TJ-: oh. the eth0 cable is in another room was part of why i took so long
[14:53] <nicomachus> Ok, ANJ7.
[14:53] <nicomachus> Give me a minute.
[14:53] <TJ-> Micromus: I'm not sure, I've not looked
[14:53] <nicomachus> and just for clarity, ANJ7, what browser and ubuntu version?
[14:53] <mikubuntu> TJ-: should i power it down now, and see if the wireless is working on restart?
[14:54] <ANJ7> nicomachus: Firefox, 14.10
[14:54] <nicomachus> Thanks ANJ7
[14:54] <mikubuntu> TJ-: i think ubuntu is using all her little resources
[14:54] <TJ-> mikubuntu: You can test it from the command line
[14:54] <mikubuntu> TJ-: i wish there were a damn small ubuntu
[14:55] <TJ-> mikubuntu: Yes, if the cursor is lagging thats why I asked if you're using the Ubuntu desktop because that will hog the system. Lubuntu should be a lot lighter on the system
[14:55] <cfhowlett> !mini | miku
[14:55] <mikubuntu> TJ-: don't think i can get a term up even -- all froze up
[14:55] <nicomachus> ANJ7: This look similar: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1612922.html
[14:55] <TJ-> mikubuntu: Try pressing Ctrl+Alt+F1 to get to a different Virtual Terminal, then log-in
[14:55] <nicomachus> ANJ7: have you tried clearing cache/cookies? And then if that doesn't work, purging and reinstalling firefox?
[14:56] <ANJ7> nicomachus: yea, I tried everything.
[14:57] <mikubuntu> cfhowlett: problem is that i need a live session to gpart another problem before installation :: see this https://roomforcreativity.wordpress.com/2012/08/06/installing-ubuntu-12-04-on-hp-mini-210-1000/
[14:58] <nicomachus> I wonder... does facebook chat work though Flash?
[14:58] <mikubuntu> TJ-: ok cntrl alt f1 ... lemme try
[14:58] <hplc_> whenever i experience a "freeze-up" i do r.e.i.s.u.b havent failed me yet
[14:59] <nicomachus> ANJ7: Any add-ons or extensions on firefox that might be interfering?
[15:00] <mikubuntu> hplc -- i've been a newbie for so long (7.04) that i forgot what a reisub is -- i know its something, but i forgot what
[15:00] <ANJ7> ok
[15:00] <hplc_> a key-pushing combination that is guareenteed to reboot a stuck linux cleanly
[15:01] <TJ-> mikubuntu: It's the Linux kernel commands with SysReq
[15:02] <TJ-> mikubuntu: raw keyboard, TERM processes except init,  KILL process except init, sync file-system, remount read-only, reboot
[15:02] <mikubuntu> TJ-: not getting a term with control alt f1
[15:03] <wastrel> terminal is ctrl-t isn't it?
[15:03] <TJ-> mikubuntu: is the cpu hung up with trying to paint the screen and lagging ?
[15:03] <nicomachus> wastrel: ctrl-alt-t
[15:03] <k1l> wastrel: ctrl+alt+t
[15:03] <nicomachus> but mine is set to ctrl-t
[15:03] <wastrel> mine is ctrl-space
[15:03] <hplc_> ....noone ctrl space, its a global agreement :p
[15:03] <nicomachus> qwieso
[15:04] <nicomachus> weirdo* (hand in the wrong spot...)
[15:04] <mikubuntu> TJ-: i could take a screenshot with my phone if you want to see it -- i assume the cpu is hung up on something, but i don't know what
[15:05] <rory> "ip -4 addr show" gives: inet <IP_ADDRESS>/24 brd <IP_ADDRESS> scope global eth0
[15:05] <rory> Does this mean the entire /24 is available...?
[15:05] <kuba7447> is synaptic package manager better?
[15:05] <rory> kuba7447: better than what?
[15:06] <kuba7447> better than the default thing in Ubuntu?
[15:06] <TJ-> mikubuntu: Is this the Ubuntu Live image you're running, or an installed OS?
[15:07] <rory> kuba7447: It depends what you want to do. In many ways Ubuntu Software Centre is better (not least because it also handles .deb)
[15:07] <rory> kuba7447: But in many other ways, synaptic is better
[15:07] <kuba7447> ok, but if i install synaptic package manager, how will i install .deb ?
[15:08] <kuba7447> via terminal?
[15:08] <rory> kuba7447: well you can still use Ubutnu Software Centre, you're able to have both at once, you don't have to choose one or the other
[15:08] <rory> kuba7447: they are both just graphical interfaces to the package manager
[15:08] <kuba7447> ok
[15:08] <TJ-> rory: The /24 means the subnet the interface/IP will route is 256 addresses wide
[15:08] <mikubuntu> TJ-: live -- i have to get a live session to fix the hp mini partitions, according to https://roomforcreativity.wordpress.com/2012/08/06/installing-ubuntu-12-04-on-hp-mini-210-1000/
[15:09] <lyndel> guys i am having a problem, every time i boot up lightdm fails to start some times it starts other times am forced to go to tty 1 and use sudo service lightdm stop then start just to get login screen will the boot help with this? to see why its failing to start?
[15:09] <rory> TJ-: So it does not mean I am able to listen on all of those addresses?
[15:09] <lyndel> boot log i ment
[15:09] <rory> TJ-: I[m just trying to clarify if my host has given me an entire /24 which seems excessive, but could be erroneous
[15:10] <TJ-> mikubuntu: Ahhhh! and it expects to have video GPU 3D acceleration, which is having to be emulated in software which overloads the CPU. It'd probably make more sense to use another live image with a less demanding desktop; not sure what's available but xubuntu is one I think
[15:10] <mikubuntu> TJ-: thats why i'm asking if i should power off and then restart, wondering will it save wireless driver stuff (if in fact it really did download and connect, as it notified)
[15:10] <TJ-> rory: Correct, the sub-net mask is the range of address that can be 'seen' on that interface
[15:10] <cfhowlett> mikubuntu, lubuntu is the least resource hungry *buntu
[15:10] <rory> ahh, without using a different route
[15:11] <rory> comprende
[15:11] <TJ-> rory: you can have multiple IP address assigned to an interface each with their own subnets of course
[15:11] <TJ-> cfhowlett: do you know if lubuntu has a live ISO?
[15:11] <cfhowlett> TJ-, it does.  all *buntus have live except server and mini IIRC
[15:11] <PCatinean> Hey gus, I have a RT5390 wireless module and I've read it's buggy regarding the N channel or something of that sort, can someone help me stop it please?
[15:11] <PCatinean> I can't seem to figure it out on my own
[15:11] <lyndel> i tryed the wiki but i get no help i tryed ubuntu faq and troubleshoot page but when i thought it was fixed next day same problem again
[15:12] <PCatinean> Trying this atm: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2219014
[15:12] <mikubuntu> TJ-: cfhowlett i prefer lubuntu -- i wonder if 1204 will work or give me the black screen of death
[15:12] <TJ-> cfhowlett: Hmmm, I seemed to recall being caught out by that once with a low powered netbook and there not being a Live ISO for it
[15:12] <TJ-> mikubuntu: Is it the lubuntu Live image you're using now, ir the Ubuntu Live? I'm getting confused and tired :)
[15:12] <k1l> lyndel: see dmesg, syslog and xorg.log in /var/log/ to get to know why its not starting
[15:13] <cfhowlett> TJ-, 14.04 def has a live boot
[15:13] <lyndel> thanks kil
[15:13] <PCatinean> anyone?
[15:13] <meandrain> I've done some tests so I just dd-ed first 512 bytes of my hard drive. I am on ubuntu livecd now, and pvscan and vgscan show "no matching physical volumes found. Any idea what to do?
[15:13] <mikubuntu> TJ-: ubuntu live -- lubuntu 1404 was giving me black screen of death
[15:13] <TJ-> cfhowlett: mikubuntu us having to use 12.04; the netbook has a black-screen issue with the 14.04 live images we were trying earlier today
[15:14] <TJ-> mikubuntu: You're not having much luck are you!?
[15:15] <mikubuntu> TJ-: everything is a gotcha. going on day 4 i guess with this little box.
[15:15] <TJ-> meandrain: replace those first 512 bytes you erased; that's the partition table if its an MBR disk not GPT
[15:15] <meandrain> TJ-: I need to mount the lvn volume in order to restore grub
[15:16] <TJ-> mikubuntu: I feel your pain. If it were me I'd pull the hard disk out connect it to another PC, mount it in a virtual machine, and install into it there to get the config correct, then move it back to the HP mini :)
[15:16] <lyndel> Kil what to look for in the logs?
[15:16] <mikubuntu> so, i dont see this getting unhung anytime soon -- whats the consensus recommendation -- lubuntu 1204?
[15:16] <TJ-> meandrain: Well, you *did* backup sector 0 before you wrote to it, didn't you?
[15:17] <cfhowlett> of COURSE he did a backup!
[15:17] <meandrain> no, I did not. I am learning how to restore it without backup
[15:17] <meandrain> the hard way
[15:17] <mikubuntu> TJ-: thats because you're smarter than me :P
[15:17] <TJ-> mikubuntu: Why not install 'server' that has no GUI to get in the way of the installation... then you can add the desktop packages afterwards when the PC is configured for all its hardware and is booting reliably
[15:18] <TJ-> meandrain: The only way to recover is if you can remember precisely what the partition layout was, or in a Live session install and use the 'testdisk' package to recover the partition table
[15:19] <meandrain> TJ-: but lvm touches first 512 bytes?
[15:19] <TJ-> mikubuntu: Install from a server ISO then, that keeps you using the console terminals
[15:19] <lyndel> can anyone help?
[15:19] <mikubuntu> TJ-: i'll try anything once -- but you said you're getting tired, and i KNOW i'll need a babysitter for that one.
[15:19] <TJ-> meandrain: No it doesn't but it needs to know where the partitions are to identify the PVs
[15:20] <TJ-> mikubuntu: The server install uses a text-based installer that draws dialogs and menus using text windows, it's pretty easy to use
[15:20] <k1l> lyndel: stuff that says its an error
[15:20] <mikubuntu> TJ-: so can you tell me ezackly which image to burn?
[15:20] <lyndel>  guys i am having a problem, every time i boot up lightdm fails to start some times it starts other times am forced to go to tty 1 and use sudo service lightdm stop then start just to get login screen will the boot help with this? to see why its failing to start?  looking at the logs i confusing
[15:20] <TJ-> mikubuntu: I'd choose the 14.04 i386 server ISO
[15:20] <k1l> lyndel: you can put them into a pastebin and then show the urls here. be sure to have the logs from that boot where the problem was.
[15:20] <lyndel> oh ok
[15:20] <mikubuntu> TJ-: but wait -- what about the partition problem :: https://roomforcreativity.wordpress.com/2012/08/06/installing-ubuntu-12-04-on-hp-mini-210-1000/
[15:21] <TJ-> mikubuntu: At the end of the server installer when it asks which specific server packages you want to install (LAMP, web-server, mail server, etc) simply don't select any and you'll have a minimal installation
[15:21] <k1l> lyndel: what video card do you got? is it a hybrid card (video card and build in cpu video?)
[15:21] <lyndel> kil its ATI
[15:22] <TJ-> mikubuntu: There is a partitioning tool in the installer. You can use that to delete the HP Tools partition and create a new empty partition in its place
[15:22] <k1l> lyndel: "which car do you have?" " a ford" :)
[15:23] <Johnny_Linux> lol
[15:23] <kuba7447> should i get an NAS ?
[15:24] <TJ-> mikubuntu: review this link: http://ubuntuserverguide.com/2013/02/manual-disk-partition-guide-for-ubuntu-server-edition.html
[15:24] <TJ-> mikubuntu: It gives you some idea of how the partitioner in the text installer works so you can perform the same tasks as shown in that GPartEd tutorial
[15:25] <lyndel> kil this? http://paste.opensuse.org/5076586
[15:25] <lyndel> lol i dont have a car man :P
[15:25] <k1l> lyndel: (EE) Failed to load module "fglrx" (module does not exist, 0)
[15:26] <mikubuntu> TJ-: ok i will, but doesnt the partitioning have to be done PRIOR to the rest of the installation? should i dban the netbook would that 'clear' the space for partitioning?
[15:26] <k1l> lyndel: what card do you have _exactly_ and how did you install the driver?
[15:26] <lyndel> what does it mean?
[15:26] <rory> Is there some way to tell Firefox to ignore all invalid certificates for a domain (e.g *.foo.com)
[15:26] <rory> "This connection is untrusted" message
[15:26] <TJ-> mikubuntu: No, partitioning can, and is, usually done during installation.
[15:26] <rory> preferably without an attached lecture on HTTPS
[15:26] <lyndel> oh am using the driver that came with ubuntu 15.04 and i said ATI is there a command to show u my card?
[15:27] <k1l> lyndel: my joke was about to tell you that details matter.
[15:27] <TJ-> rory: for subdomains as well you mean?
[15:27] <lyndel> ohh
[15:27] <k1l> lyndel: "lspci" into a pastebin too please
[15:27] <lyndel> ok
[15:27] <rory> TJ-: Yes
[15:27] <d3bug> hello everyone
[15:28] <meandrain> TJ-: thanx for the help, I really appreciate it! So if I understand correctly if I install windows and it wipes my boot sector then when booting using a live cd I will not see lvm partitions?
[15:28] <lyndel> kil http://paste.opensuse.org/47547765
[15:29] <d3bug> I have (what will probably amount to a simple problem) an issue.  maybe someone can help....  I want to rip a multisession data disc into individual track files (not CDDA)... 1st track is ISO9660, others are RAW data tracks.  I want to do this so I can add boot info to track 1 and then re-record these tracks onto another disc so the disc will be bootable.
[15:29] <TJ-> rory: I don't believe it can do that
[15:30] <rory> OK never mind
[15:30] <TJ-> meandrain: correct, if windows (re)wrote the first sector on a Master Boot Record (MBR) partitioned disk, the partition info was in the last 64 bytes of that sector
[15:31] <m_> bend123
[15:31] <meandrain> TJ-: so if I (for learning reasons) want to wipe boot and keep partition info, then it is ok to wipe first 512-64 bytes?
[15:32] <mikubuntu> TJ-: ok -- can you point me to the right image to download for lubuntu server? does it need to be 12.04 also, i guess?
[15:33] <TJ-> mikubuntu: I'd recommend trying to use the latest LTS for 14.04 since it'll (probably) contain bug-fixes and improvements that haven't made it to 12.04
[15:33] <TJ-> mikubuntu: http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/  "32-bit PC (i386) server install image"
[15:33] <mikubuntu> TJ-: but what about the black screen of death?
[15:35] <TJ-> mikubuntu: because the server installer doesn't use graphics mode I'd be very surprised if it happens - unless the cause *is* the inverted backlight control we experimented with earlier, but you seemed to discount that with the flashlight test.
[15:36] <lyndel> kil?
[15:36] <TJ-> mikubuntu: If you get server installed and working you can use your other PC to remotely connect using SSH and operate it even if the GUI fails, which means we can quickly diagnose and fix the cause from another PC accessing it
[15:37] <mikubuntu> TJ-: but after we install the server we have to apply a gui environment to it, right? and we know that we don't know what was causing the black screen with the lubuntu 14.04 desktop iso.
[15:38] <TJ-> mikubuntu: as long as you have an Ethernet cable linking the mini to your router and make sure that "openssh-server" is installed (I seem to recall it is installed by default on the server but you should check as you go along - it may ask you what/whether to install)
[15:38] <mikubuntu> TJ-: ok, you da boss man.
[15:39] <TJ-> mikubuntu: You'll use your good PC to operate the mini over the network then, using the SSH connection over the wired ethernet. From that you can install drivers, configure network, install the desktop, and test it and retain full control over SSH
[15:40] <TJ-> mikubuntu: bear in mind I'm probably 6-7 hours ahead of you (in England) and I've been programming since 0500 so we might have to hand over to someone else to continue, or else wait until I'm available on Tuesday
[15:40] <d3bug> TJ:  any ideas on my issue?  I mean is there anything you can think of that can rip individual data tracks from a multisession disc?
[15:40] <mikubuntu> so do i need to have my laptop in that other room with the mini? no accessible power plugs in there, and batteries will problably die in the middle of something. omg.
[15:41] <TJ-> d3bug: It's not something I've done much with in several years, but I thought things like k3B could do that via the various backend tools
[15:41] <k1l> lyndel: ok, you video card is old and not supported by fglrx anymore. so dont use fglrx. remove that with apt-get please
[15:41] <lyndel> kil??
[15:41] <lyndel> wait
[15:41] <mikubuntu> TJ-: it all sounds so easy when YOU say it -- lol
[15:41] <lyndel> u serious?
[15:41] <lyndel> can u explain please
[15:42] <d3bug> TJ: installing it real quick... I'll let you know.
[15:42] <TJ-> mikubuntu: That depends on the length of your available Ethernet cables. If you can get a long one that'll reach the router from where it is now, but it'd make sense to have the PCs side-by-side ... so maybe better to get hold of an extension mains power block
[15:42] <lyndel> i dont understand what fglrx does and why to remove it?
[15:42] <k1l> lyndel: your video card is from 2005. amd/ati dropps old cards from their driver. so you need to use the opensource driver (which is running automatically when you remove the fglrx)
[15:42] <TJ-> mikubuntu: Yeah... how many times do you think I've gone through this type of scenario to make it sound this easy? :D
[15:43] <mikubuntu> TJ-: another day is not going to make any difference to me either, i'm just trying to figure it out.
[15:43] <k1l> lyndel: fglrx is the prop. amd/ati driver. radeon is the open source one. radeon still supports your card. amd doesnt
[15:43] <lyndel> but i thought i was using then sorce driver all this time
[15:43] <lyndel> ooooh
[15:43] <TJ-> mikubuntu: I'm trying to recommend for you the most stable, reliable approach that has least chance of tripping you/us up
[15:43] <lyndel> wow
[15:43] <lyndel> sweeet
[15:43] <lyndel> so what to do again?
[15:43] <TJ-> mikubuntu: and at the same time get 14.04 installed
[15:43] <mhammons> hi, i created a new user on ubuntu server with adduser and he can't access java or javac for some reason
[15:44] <mhammons> although both are installed
[15:44] <lyndel> what commands?
[15:44] <k1l> lyndel: remove all "fglrx" packages
[15:44] <TJ-> mhammons: what error is reported?
[15:44] <lyndel> but how?
[15:44] <mikubuntu> TJ-: yes of course i prefer to have lub 1404
[15:44] <lyndel> tell me safe way so i get no errors
[15:45] <k1l> lyndel: sudo apt-get purge fglrx
[15:45] <mhammons> TJ-: the program 'java' can be found in the following packages:...
[15:45] <TJ-> mhammons: For that user what does this report?  "which java"
[15:45] <mhammons> nothin
[15:45] <lyndel> ok brb
[15:45] <TJ-> mhammons: but you say it is installed in the system and available to other users?
[15:45] <mhammons> TJ-: it's available to root at the very least
[15:46] <TJ-> mhammons: is the user's PATH setting customised in some way?
[15:46] <mhammons> TJ-: nope, fresh user from adduser
[15:46] <TJ-> mhammons: what does root report for "which java" ?
[15:46] <mhammons>  /usr/bin/java
[15:47] <lyndel> kil its saying its not installed so it removed nothing
[15:47] <TJ-> mhammons: Can other regular users see java ?
[15:47] <mikubuntu> TJ-: so just to verify -- this server image is the ubuntu server 32 bit -- "32-bit PC (i386) server install image" and we'll install lubuntu desktop to it after installation?
[15:47] <k1l> lyndel: dpkg -l | grep fglrx
[15:47] <mhammons> TJ-: wouldn't know, this thing's old and everyone uses the root user to do stuff
[15:48] <mhammons> it's a mess
[15:48] <TJ-> mikubuntu: You got it :) To install lubuntu afterwards you'll simply do "sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop^ "
[15:48] <lyndel> ok
[15:48] <mhammons> TJ-: at the very least, another user I created with adduser has the same problem, as well as postgres user
[15:48] <lyndel> kil nothing happened
[15:48] <lyndel> what now?
[15:48] <TJ-> mhammons: maybe the user's command hash table has a bad value for that file? have you tried "hash -r" ?
[15:49] <lyndel> k1l, this is confusing
[15:49] <mhammons> TJ-: still got nothin
[15:49] <TJ-> mhammons: That sounds like a PATH issue. Is "/usr/bin" in the user's PATH ?
[15:49] <mikubuntu> TJ-: ok, dl the server now i'll see if you're still here after i rip the stick and start the installation -- i'll really need guidance on that partitioning thing
[15:49] <TJ-> mikubuntu: OK, I'll be around for a few hours yet
[15:49] <TJ-> mikubuntu: I'm programming for a while yet
[15:50] <mikubuntu> TJ-: okey dokey then :P
[15:50] <mhammons> TJ-: /usr/bin is in PATH
[15:50] <TJ-> mikubuntu: I'll download it here too and follow along with you in a virtual machine
[15:51] <mikubuntu> TJ-: see how you are -- who knows how to do these things. lol.
[15:51] <lyndel> k1l,
[15:52] <TJ-> mhammons:  what does this report? "readlink -e /usr/bin/java"
[15:52] <d3bug> TJ:  no such luck... no tools in there to rip individual tracks.
[15:52] <TJ-> mikubuntu: I have the 14.04.1 server i386 image here already so I'm good to go when you are
[15:52] <mhammons> TJ-: absolutely nothing
[15:53] <TJ-> d3bug: I must be mis-remembering I thought I'd at least extracted multiple tracks
[15:53] <k1l> lyndel: ok, then its not installed. but then that was not the issue.
[15:53] <mhammons> TJ-: hmm, I get permission denied when I try to access /usr/bin/java
[15:53] <TJ-> mhammons: That suggests that java isn't installed at all :)
[15:53] <k1l> lyndel: so was this boot the issue with lightdm?
[15:54] <d3bug> TJ:  lots of tools will rip the whole disc as a bin image but that is useless because I cannot add boot information to a raw image.  that is why i need to rip individual raw data tracks.
[15:54] <TJ-> mhammons: it is usually a symbolic link; if it is broken and there's nothing on the end, then that makes sense
[15:54] <mhammons> TJ-: nah, it works, got a tomcat server up and rnning
[15:54] <mhammons> running*
[15:54] <TJ-> mhammons: "ls -l /usr/bin/java"
[15:54] <lyndel> k1l, yes it seems if i boot i get blank screen if i go to tty1 and use sudo service lightdm restart it works so am sure its a lightdm problem its not starting as it should
[15:54] <mhammons> points to /etc/alternatives/java
[15:54] <TJ-> mhammons: That doesn't mean Tomcat started from that link though
[15:55] <mhammons> TJ-: ah, I see the issue
[15:55] <TJ-> mhammons: and what does "ls -l /etc/alternatives/java" report?
[15:55] <k1l> lyndel: no. that was not what i asked. i asked if _this boot_ was the issue with lightdm
[15:55] <lyndel> its annoying to have to force lightdm to start everytime at boot up
[15:55] <lyndel> yes it was
[15:55] <lyndel> should be in the logs
[15:55] <k1l> lyndel: because if this boot was ok with no issue we will not find any error in the logs from this boot, becuase there was no issue.
[15:55] <mhammons> TJ-: java's currently linked to a jdk in /root
[15:56] <TJ-> mhammons: there you get!
[15:56] <k1l> lyndel: so see dmesg and syslog then
[15:56] <d3bug> I'll check back after lunch to see if anyone else knows how.  Thanks TJ for trying.
[15:56] <TJ-> mhammons: The system packages install to "/usr/lib/jvm/*/jre/bin/java"
[15:56] <lyndel> k1l,  dmseg is empty and syslog too big paste calls me scammer if i try to paste it
[15:56] <mhammons> TJ-: I already have them installed, I wanted java 8 though
[15:57] <mhammons> TJ-: need to set update-alternatives to point to the jdk in /opt
[15:57] <k1l> !paste | lyndel
[15:57] <TJ-> d3bug: have you tried "cdrdao" ?
[15:58] <k1l> lyndel: use that paste
[15:58] <lyndel> ok thanks
[15:58] <TJ-> mhammons: I installed it to "/usr/lib/jvm/java-8-openjdk-amd64/jre/bin/java" and added it to update-alternatives as the default
[15:59] <lyndel> k1l, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11651358/
[15:59] <mhammons> TJ-: ok working now
[15:59] <mhammons> thanks
[16:00] <TJ-> mhammons: I built Java 8 for 14.04 and it's in a PPA of mine, you might want to simply add that: https://launchpad.net/~tj/+archive/ubuntu/java-for-14.04/
[16:01] <mhammons> TJ-: unfortunately, this thing's a 12.04 server
[16:01] <TJ-> mhammons: Ahhh OK :)
[16:05] <mhammons> TJ-: ubuntu 14.04 doesn't have java 8 already?
[16:06] <TJ-> mhammons: No; we have a backport bug opened which I've built it for testing
[16:06] <mhammons> TJ-: ah
[16:07] <mhammons> well it works pretty great, glad they got rid of the permgen
[16:07] <k1l> lyndel: dont know right now. open a thread on the forums and attach that logs to it.
[16:08] <k1l> lyndel: i need to leave in a few minutes
[16:08] <lyndel> k1l,  ok thanks alot
[16:08] <lyndel> for all your help man
[16:08] <TJ-> mhammons: Yeah, I've been running most stuff on it even when building for 1.7
[16:09] <__Myst__> Question: How do I blur an image?
[16:09] <__Myst__> I saw convert -blur is a thing
[16:09] <mhammons> really looking forward to java 9's project jigsaw
[16:10] <mhammons> especially if modules are hotswappable
[16:11] <TJ-> I still get confused by the lambda syntax; it's the worst choice ever, couldn't be more obtuse!
[16:11] <mhammons> ?
[16:11] <ianp> what would have been better
[16:12] <mhammons> the only thing that confuses me about java lambdas is all the different types of functions. wish they'd do like scala and allow "Integer -> Void" style types
[16:12] <TJ-> ianp: Not sure, but choosing the C/C++ pointer operator and also allowing inferred types for arguments is not going to help code readability
[16:13] <mhammons> TJ-: I think they were going more for ML style lambda syntax
[16:13] <mhammons> with stuff like (input,parameters) -> {function body}
[16:14] <ianp> it's not the C/C++ pointer operator, it's the Java lambda syntax :)
[16:14] <ianp> I prefer scala's =>
[16:14] <TJ-> ianp: not to me it isn't!
[16:14] <ianp> well you're wrong! :D
[16:14] <binar33> hi
[16:14] <binar33> what does ubuntu1, ubuntu2, ubuntu3, ubuntu4 means?
[16:14] <histo> binar33: what?
[16:15] <TJ-> ianp -> has been the pointer operator for me since the early 1980s; i see code fragments and I can't tell C++ and Java apart now :)
[16:15] <binar33> I was checking packages here.. https://launchpad.net/~nicolas-zin/+archive/ubuntu/ossec-ubuntu/+packages  . they have ubunut1, ubuntu2 ubuntu3 tails
[16:15] <ianp> -> only appears in a lambda tho.. usually there's a space in front of it too
[16:15] <NoImNotNineVolt> is 14.04.1 still available for download somewhere?
[16:16] <guest8574> Is there a way to set a keyboard shortcut for XKill? When my computer stops responding, I want to be able to press Ctrl+Alt+X and kill the offending program.
[16:16] <histo> binar33: you'd have to ask the maintainer there
[16:16] <binar33> histo isn't that something common?
[16:17] <histo> binar33: not that I'm familiar with maybe someone else has seen that version numbering before
[16:17] <histo> guest8574: in what desktop environment?
[16:17] <histo> NoImNotNineVolt: yes should be on cdimages
[16:17] <NoImNotNineVolt> nevermind, found it at the unintuitively-named http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/14.04.0/
[16:18] <TJ-> NoImNotNineVolt:  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/14.04.1/release/
[16:18] <NoImNotNineVolt> aha, that works too. thanks.
[16:18] <meandrain> I've searched through the list of packages with:  apt-cache search nload but I get like two screens of apps not related to nload. Any idea what command should I use instead? I want apt related command, not dpkg
[16:18] <binar33> histo thanks!
[16:19] <histo> NoImNotNineVolt: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/trusty/
[16:19] <stayonthehustle>  /join #stripe
[16:20] <stayonthehustle> oops. don't mind me
[16:20] <TJ-> meandrain: "apt-cache search -n ^nload "
[16:20] <histo> !info nload
[16:20] <meandrain> TJ-: thanx, that worked
[16:21] <TJ-> meandrain: the search term is a regular expression and the ^ anchors the search to the start of the line
[16:21] <meandrain> right
[16:21] <histo> meandrain: -n is name only also
[16:22] <guest8574> histo: Unity
[16:24] <histo> guest8574: yeah you can create a keyboard shortcut. Press the dash key and start searching for keybaord
[16:28] <guest8574> Thanks
[16:29] <Razzdoll> Hello - I need help on this terminal. The terminal will minimize and when I try to resize it, not maximise it, it doesnt let me.
[16:29] <Razzdoll> How can I fix this
[16:29] <ActionParsnip> Razzdoll: what is the output of:   cat /etc/issue
[16:29] <ActionParsnip> Razzdoll: does it happen with all application windows?
[16:30] <Razzdoll> ActionParsnip,  Ubuntu 15.04 n\ l\, no ActionParsnip
[16:30] <Razzdoll> I can't even read any outputs without looking very closely
[16:30] <ActionParsnip> Razzdoll: if you use terminal a lot, I can recommend you install and use guake (or if you use kde, yakuake)
[16:30] <Razzdoll> I use terminal alot yes
[16:30] <Razzdoll> Thanks ActionParsnip  I will try
[16:30] <ActionParsnip> Razzdoll: try it, you might like it :)
[16:30] <ActionParsnip> Razzdoll: plus it's free
[16:31] <ActionParsnip> Razzdoll: F12 is the default key, hide and show the terminal as you need it (should be default imho)
[16:31] <Codmadnesspro> How can I allow one other user passwords instead of privatekeys?
[16:31] <Razzdoll> ActionParsnip, Free? So is the built in one I think. You kinda confused me lol
[16:32] <ActionParsnip> Razzdoll: yes, its just a hidable terminal. Great app
[16:33] <Razzdoll> ActionParsnip,  it's giving an error saying I need to install guake-schemas /properly/ .. but I didn't install any of that, I just installed ubuntu
[16:33] <ActionParsnip> Razzdoll: just re-launch it, it'll be fine
[16:33] <ActionParsnip> Razzdoll: it moans first time. No idea why
[16:33] <NoImNotNineVolt> haven't touched upstart in quite some time, and now i'm porting systemd unit files to it... how do i source env vars from /etc/defaults/foo in an upstart script?
[16:34] <Razzdoll> ActionParsnip, wow! It's transparent. Lol. Its hard to see the white text on top of other things now though :)
[16:35] <Razzdoll> ActionParsnip, just found the preferences :)
[16:35] <Codmadnesspro> How can I allow someone to use a password just for their user?
[16:35] <ActionParsnip> Razzdoll: easy peasy
[16:35] <ActionParsnip> Codmadnesspro: password to do what?
[16:35] <Codmadnesspro> ActionParsnip, well my user uses private keys but he wants to use passwords on his user
[16:36] <Razzdoll> ActionParsnip, thank you. I'll replace the original one :)
[16:36] <ActionParsnip> Codmadnesspro: so..to SSH in?
[16:36] <Codmadnesspro> yes
[16:36] <ActionParsnip> Codmadnesspro: why wasnt that on your first question? Why did I have toguess?
[16:36] <Codmadnesspro> :p
[16:36] <ActionParsnip> Codmadnesspro: computers use tonnes of passwords and keys so without stating this your question is meaningless
[16:37] <Codmadnesspro> It has a meaning now :)
[16:37] <ActionParsnip> Codmadnesspro: by default, openssh-server requests SSH keys, then will fall back to passwords if no key is offered
[16:37] <ActionParsnip> Codmadnesspro: in future, please give some scope of the question. It makes things quicker
[16:38] <Codmadnesspro> No supported authentication methods available
[16:38] <Codmadnesspro> server sent: pubkey
[16:38] <ActionParsnip> Razzdoll: what do you reckon. You can add and remove tabs too (Shortcut is CTRL + SHIFT + T for new and  CTRL + SHIFT + W for close (you can also use mouse))
[16:39] <ActionParsnip> Codmadnesspro: ok, did you change your openssh-server config?
[16:39] <histo> Codmadnesspro: for ssh?
[16:39] <Codmadnesspro> ActionParsnip, Yes, I want my user to use only private keys and his user only passwords
[16:39] <Codmadnesspro> histo, yes
[16:41] <ActionParsnip> Codmadnesspro: http://serverfault.com/questions/285800/how-to-disable-ssh-login-with-password-for-some-users
[16:41] <ActionParsnip> Codmadnesspro: obviously, keep an account logged in so you can manage the server if you screw up the config
[16:42] <Codmadnesspro> xD
[16:42] <Codmadnesspro> I've got console access if needed
[16:42] <ActionParsnip> Codmadnesspro: even better
[16:42] <histo> Codmadnesspro: hrm.
[16:43] <histo> Ahh nice match
[16:51] <NoImNotNineVolt> so after i add a /etc/init/foo.conf upstart script, do i need to notify upstart?
[16:51] <NoImNotNineVolt> (ala systemd's systemctl daemon-reload ?)
[16:53] <trism> NoImNotNineVolt: no
[16:53] <NoImNotNineVolt> or can i start doing service foo start immediately after dropping the script in /etc/init
[16:53] <trism> NoImNotNineVolt: yes, you can
[16:53] <NoImNotNineVolt> fantastic, thanks.
[16:54] <michael_mbp> Using Ansible NoImNotNineVolt ?
[16:55] <NoImNotNineVolt> yup.
[16:55] <michael_mbp> awesome.
[16:55] <NoImNotNineVolt> more like abusing ansible :P
[16:55] <michael_mbp> usually the case :)
[16:55] <NoImNotNineVolt> one playbook, three different target platforms.
[16:55] <NoImNotNineVolt> originally developed for debian. that's fine. then they wanted redhat. turned debs into rpms, at least systemd stayed the same, fine.
[16:56] <NoImNotNineVolt> now they want ubuntu support. the debs assume systemd is there. /me rips hair out.
[17:00] <ActionParsnip> Razzdoll: what do you reckon?
[17:02] <xentity1x> Hi can anyone help me figure out why ubuntu doesnt detect my secondary monitor
[17:02]  * summix Hello There
[17:02] <NoImNotNineVolt> any idea what the 'ansible_distribution' fact for ubuntu is?
[17:02] <k3asd`> how can restart my server at a specified time?
[17:03] <ActionParsnip> k3asd`: look into 'at'
[17:03] <k3asd`> ActionParsnip: like shutdown -r | 23.00 ?
[17:03] <k3asd`> sorry
[17:03] <k3asd`> shutdown -r | at 23.00 ?
[17:04]  * summix Hello There
[17:04] <k3asd`> or the opposite?
[17:04] <ActionParsnip> k3asd`: sudo at 23:00    [press ENTER]      reboot      [press ENTER] [press CTRL + D]
[17:04] <ActionParsnip> k3asd`: etc etc
[17:04] <xentity1x> Hi can anyone help me figure out why ubuntu doesnt detect my secondary monitor
[17:05] <k3asd`> ActionParsnip: I wanto to do this automatically in bash script
[17:07] <ActionParsnip> k3asd`: k3asd` let me search
[17:07] <histo> k3asd`: crontab a reboot
[17:07] <k3asd`> histo: I need to reboot my server when a condition is verified
[17:07] <k3asd`> histo: I don't need to reboot my server always
[17:07] <histo> k3asd`: write a script that verifies the condition and then reboot
[17:08] <k3asd`> histo: before I need to send me an email
[17:08] <k3asd`> histo: the server is in production and I need to reboot them at a specific time
[17:09] <histo> k3asd`: yeah it can be accomplished with cron and a script
[17:09] <histo> k3asd`: what's the condition?
[17:09] <k3asd`> for istance
[17:09] <ActionParsnip> k3asd`: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-job-scheduling/   has a few at examples in one-liners
[17:09] <k3asd`> file=/var/log/abc
[17:10] <k3asd`> if [ -f $file]; then
[17:10] <k3asd`> mail -s "bla"<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:10] <k3asd`> fi
[17:10] <k3asd`> ActionParsnip: let me see
[17:10] <histo> k3asd`: yeah this is trivial with cron
[17:11] <ActionParsnip> k3asd`: but cron is for recurring tasks. At is for a single shot job
[17:11] <ActionParsnip> (phrasing)
[17:11] <k3asd`> ActionParsnip: yes
[17:12] <k3asd`> let me explain more better (I hope :) )
[17:12] <k3asd`> in my server run ubuntu 14.04 with unattended-upgrades installed
[17:14] <k3asd`> the upgrades works every day and when there are a security upgrades the system creates a file called reboot-required in /var/log
[17:14] <k3asd`> I need to verify this condition and:
[17:14] <k3asd`> email me to alert
[17:14] <k3asd`> reboot the machine
[17:14] <k3asd`> of course at a specific time
[17:14] <ActionParsnip> k3asd`: but the reboot is only needed to change kernel. Your OS is geared around uptime. Why reboot at all?
[17:15] <ActionParsnip> k3asd`: I'd do it with cron, check file exists at 1am. If it exists then reboot
[17:15] <OerHeks> upgrade to 15.04, no reboot needed with systemD
[17:15] <jaaaay> then rm the file
[17:15] <Mateo_> Hi everyone !
[17:15] <finisherr> Does anyone happen to know if xvfb-run is supposed to be able to run on a headless server?
[17:16] <YamakasY> swapoff -a and swapon -a will give me all performance back or do I still need a reboot ?
[17:16] <Mateo_> I have installed nginx a while ago on my server. But it seems that I need the nginx-extra instead of the default one. What’s the proper way to replace the package with the new one while preserving my nginx configuration please ?
[17:19] <wastrel> hi my login screen is frozen how do i fix it
[17:19] <ActionParsnip> wastrel: does a reboot help?
[17:19] <ActionParsnip> wastrel: has it worked before in thesame installation?
[17:19] <wastrel> i'm not going to restart
[17:19] <k3asd`> ActionParsnip: ok - and about email?
[17:20] <wastrel> it always works except i left it locked and my cat sat on my keyboard and now it's frozen
[17:20] <ActionParsnip> k3asd`: cron can be told to send an email
[17:20] <rathi123> hello everyone
[17:21] <jaaaay> wastrel - is your keyboard unplugged? :)  also...   wth just reboot
[17:21] <ActionParsnip> k3asd`: you will need to configure postfix / exim / sendmail first
[17:21] <rathi123> i would like to setup xchat on my laptop
[17:22] <HumbleMumble> Whats up, peoples.
[17:22] <rathi123> it is not connecting to any channel
[17:22] <ActionParsnip> isnt xchat dead?
[17:22] <xangua> yes
[17:22] <ActionParsnip> rathi123: what is the output of:   cat /etc/issue
[17:22] <xangua> long live hexchat
[17:22] <HumbleMumble> im using xchat. xD
[17:23] <wastrel> i don't want to reboot
[17:23] <wastrel> my cat just hacked my computer
[17:23] <ActionParsnip> http://xchat.org/   no update since 2010  .... yep. dead
[17:23] <ActionParsnip> wastrel: why? You havent even logged in.
[17:23] <wastrel> apparnetly anyone can just crash a ubuntu by sitting on the keyboard
[17:23] <wastrel> i was logged in the session was locked
[17:23] <rathi123> @actionparsnip : Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS \n \l
[17:23] <ActionParsnip> wastrel: can you press CTRL + ALT + F1 and get actibvity there?
[17:24] <ActionParsnip> !info xchat trusty
[17:24] <wastrel> that's how i am loggedinto irc
[17:24] <wastrel> i'm on tty1
[17:24] <ActionParsnip> rathi123: well, you are connected to #ubuntu which is a channel.
[17:24] <rathi123> which irc client would you suggest..?
[17:24] <ActionParsnip> !irc
[17:25] <rathi123> i am connected through a web client not through xchat
[17:25] <ActionParsnip> rathi123: what features do yu like in xchat?
[17:25] <ActionParsnip> rathi123: ahh I see
[17:25] <xangua> hexchat is an updated and maintained xchat fork
[17:25] <rathi123> i dont know actually
[17:25] <rathi123> i am new to irc
[17:25] <ActionParsnip> rathi123: try a few, see which you like
[17:25] <wastrel> do you think a cat could break gnome or just unity
[17:25] <wastrel> does gnome use lightdm or gdm still
[17:25] <wastrel> why can a cat crash my ubuntu by sitting on the keyboard
[17:26] <rathi123> which client do you use..?
[17:26] <ActionParsnip> wastrel: default in Gnome is gdm but Ubuntu uses Lightdm by default
[17:26] <k3asd`> ActionParsnip: it's configured
[17:26] <ActionParsnip> rathi123: Im on the web client also but I use pidgin under ubuntu. AndChat on Android
[17:26] <xangua> wastrel: ubuntu gnome uses gdm
[17:27] <wastrel> maybe GDM isn't subject to feline hacking
[17:27] <xentity1x> Hi can anyone help me figure out why ubuntu doesnt detect my secondary monitor
[17:27] <k3asd`> ActionParsnip: I don't understand how mix at and cron and my script
[17:27] <rathi123> thanx.. i will uninstall xchat and install some new client
[17:27] <wastrel> here's an interesting exercise:  sit on your keyboard on the login screen and see if you can crash ubuntu
[17:27] <ActionParsnip> k3asd`: you dont need at, you only need cron to check for the reboot file once a day and reboot the server if it sees it
[17:28] <TJ-> xentity1x: What does "xrandr -q" report? (pastebin it)
[17:28] <k3asd`> ActionParsnip: aaaaa ok. thank you
[17:29] <wastrel> what package should i file a bug against
[17:29] <tgm4883> wastrel have you looked at the lightdm logs?
[17:29] <tgm4883> also why can I not tab-complete your name
[17:30] <NetworkingPro> Hey everyone. does anyone know about fail2ban on Ubuntu?
[17:31] <egon1> hi
[17:31] <OerHeks> NetworkingPro, there is a good wiki about it >>https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fail2ban
[17:31] <egon1> you are firm in ubuntu-phone too?
[17:31] <NetworkingPro> OerHeks: Thanks, let me check it out. Think I already checked that URL
[17:31] <NetworkingPro> Un momento
[17:31] <brainwash> egon1: better join #ubuntu-touch
[17:31] <RobinHood2015> Is there a way to get a program to start with LightDM and the Unity Greeter?
[17:31] <xentity1x> http://pastebin.com/6q0QuHvK
[17:32] <xentity1x> TJ, http://pastebin.com/6q0QuHvK
[17:32] <Mateo_> Ok so I tried to install nginx-extras after backup of my config, but here is the error I get :  trying to overwrite '/usr/sbin/nginx', which is also in package nginx 1.8.0-1~trusty
[17:32] <TJ-> xentity1x: You've got another monitor connected to the VGA1 output?
[17:32] <xentity1x> TJ, yep
[17:33] <rathi123> is there a seperate channel for xmonad questions..??
[17:33] <TJ-> xentity1x: OK, try "xrandr --output VGA1 --auto"
[17:34] <xentity1x> TJ, That doesn't generate any ouput
[17:34] <brainwash> RobinHood2015: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightDM > Adding System Hooks
[17:34] <TJ-> xentity1x: No, it should simply turn the output on
[17:34] <TJ-> xentity1x: does "xrandr -q" report anything different now? If now can you pastebin "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" ?
[17:35] <wastrel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1463112
[17:36] <xentity1x> TJ, Output of the first command is still the same
[17:36] <xentity1x> TJ, Here's the log file http://pastebin.com/LX18mDdk
[17:36] <tgm4883> wastrel did you look at logs?
[17:36] <wastrel> tgm4883: before or after i restarted lightdm
[17:36] <Johnny_Linux> lol,  Ubuntu bug 1463112 in unity (Ubuntu) "Cat sitting on keyboard crashes lightdm" [Undecided,New]
[17:36] <wastrel> no in either case actually
[17:36] <Johnny_Linux> get a dog
[17:36] <xentity1x> TJ, I think the VGA outout might be coming from my discrete graphics card, and I'm using that with bumblebee. That may be why it's not showing up.
[17:36] <brainwash> bug 1463112 ?
[17:37] <tgm4883> wastrel well while it was frozen.
[17:37] <xentity1x> TJ, but I'm not 100 percent sure
[17:37] <wastrel> the answer is no
[17:37] <Johnny_Linux> just reboot and stop waisting everyones time
[17:37] <tgm4883> wastrel reproduce the issue then take a look at the lightdm logs
[17:37] <wastrel> reporting a crash bug is not wasting time Johnny_Linux
[17:37] <tgm4883> Johnny_Linux: that's not helpful
[17:37] <NetworkingPro> OerHeks: I suppose the two quesitons I have aren't really answered there.  1. I don't really understand the deamon name, does that really matter? and 2. It appears I have to have a custom regex?
[17:38] <NetworkingPro> I am trying to create a custom filter that processes a new log file (for a custom application).  Is there an easy way to write the regex?  I have zero experience using regexs
[17:39] <TJ-> xentity1x: Does that PC have dual GPUs for low/high power, as in Intel integrated + Nvidia discrete with Bumblebee for switching?
[17:39] <xentity1x> TJ, Yeah I'm using the intel one right now
[17:42] <TJ-> xentity1x: I've stayed away from that stuff because it's generally been a mess of problems on Linux, but I'd suspect the issue has something to do with the current output being on the Intel chipset rather than on the nvidia. Someone more familiar with the bumblebee stuff might be able to help better
[17:42] <xentity1x> TJ, thanks
[17:43] <TJ-> xentity1x: long shot but maybe you sohuld be enabling the VIRTUAL1 output? you could try that: "xrandr --output VIRTUAL1 --auto"
[17:44] <wastrel> what appears to be happening is that it's buffering the keyboard input and just feeding it into the password dialog glacially slowly
[17:44] <wastrel> and that is also preventing mouse events from reaching menus or anything else from happening
[17:44] <TJ-> wastrel: probably causing a buffer overflow
[17:44] <wastrel> you're locked out until it's done reading in the keys to the password text input
[17:44] <wastrel> there's nothing in the logs
[17:45] <TJ-> wastrel: so it eventually does respond once its drained the keyboard input?
[17:45] <wastrel> i assume so, it did in my tests just now
[17:45] <Zack263> can someone help a ubuntu noober find firefox developer edition... I have regular firefox icon... but i also have firefox developer edition but I dont have an icon on my window
[17:45] <Zack263> tried to search firefox developer edition and nothing comes up
[17:45] <Zack263> i'll try modzilla
[17:46] <xangua> what's "modzilla"¿
[17:46] <brainwash> Zack263: how did you install the developer edition?
[17:46] <wastrel> no way of knowing how long the cat was sitting there and i didn't feel like staring at my login screen for more than a couple of mniutes while i tested :)
[17:46] <Zack263> i might of done it from the command line if i remember..but i dont remember
[17:46] <Slaizer> I need some help getting my Qualcomm card working. I have a Acer VN7-791G.
[17:47] <tgm4883> wastrel, well now that is information that you can put in the bug report that will be useful
[17:47] <Zack263> i found it under firefox search
[17:47] <Zack263> but i want it to be an icon
[17:47] <M031N> n
[17:47] <Zack263> on my list
[17:47] <ActionParsnip> Slaizer: wifi?
[17:47] <Slaizer> ActionParsnip, Yes.
[17:48] <ActionParsnip> Slaizer: if you run:   sudo lshw -C network     what wireless chip do you see?
[17:48] <Zack263> looks like i downlaoded it as a tarbz and unzipped it but never got an icon to the bar
[17:48] <xangua> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UnityLaunchersAndDesktopFiles Zack263
[17:48] <Zack263> thanks
[17:49] <Slaizer> ActionParsnip, I think this tutorial could be the answer to solving this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1383184/comments/115
[17:49] <ActionParsnip> Slaizer: worth a punt
[17:49] <kunji> Hey everyone... I have a disk problem, some folders return "ls: reading directory .: Input/output error" when they are read.   What is the best way to fix this considering that I do not think these are bad blocks.  I believe the problem was caused by a loose SATA cable.  The contents are the drive are too big for me to move at the moment.
[17:49] <sla_> Hi all. I am currently trying to install ubuntu on my laptop beside Windows 7. During the installation i get the message "no root system defined". I guess the problem is, that my windows installation already uses 3 primary partitions and only 4 were possible. I have tried to create a extended partition with unallocated space with gparted, but the installed didnt got the partition.
[17:50] <sla_> Further I have allocated the space of the extended partition and created a swap partition (logical), a boot (ext4) and a home (ext4)
[17:50] <sla_> but the installed didnt got this too
[17:50] <Slaizer> ActionParsnip, Could you guide me through it?
[17:50] <sla_> Any ideas how I ca go on?
[17:50] <kunji> sla_: Did you just forget to assign / to the partition you created in the extended partition?
[17:51] <sla_> kunji: actually I couldn't figure out how I can do this in gparted.
[17:51] <Slaizer> ActionParsnip, here are the drivers. Which one do I need of the wifi drivers?
[17:51] <ActionParsnip> Slaizer: what is to guide. Its all there for you. Just read
[17:52] <sla_> actually gparted does not provide the option to choose a mount point
[17:52] <ActionParsnip> Slaizer: what is the output of:   cat /etc/issue
[17:52] <Slaizer> ActionParsnip, Qualcomm Atheros
[17:53] <Slaizer> ActionParsnip, Ubuntu 15.04 \n \l
[17:53] <jParkton> heh
[17:53] <ActionParsnip> Slaizer: does it work ok under the 4.1 kernel?
[17:54] <Slaizer> ActionParsnip, I think I tested the 4.0 Kernel and it did not work
[17:54] <kunji> sla_: Hmm, I'm not sure where you do it in the normal gparted, I'm sure it's part of the gparted interface presented during installation though
[17:54] <Slaizer> ActionParsnip, which kernel am I using right now?
[17:54] <jParkton> Slaizer: uname -r in terminal will tell you
[17:55] <Slaizer> ActionParsnip, I am using 3.19.0-15
[17:55] <sla_> kunji: well I have started gparted manually from the live CD since the installer crashes when I try to press "create", "+" or "-" buttons
[17:55] <nnnnooiiio> can i get lil help?on my old laptop ibm thinkpad t42 trying to instal lubuntu with usb flash and its hangs when i press instal or try lubuntu
[17:56] <ActionParsnip> Slaizer: worth a try, may make it work OOTB
[17:56] <kunji> sla_: O.o, that's not good, have you also tried the curses based installer instead of the graphical one?
[17:56] <ActionParsnip> nnnnooiiio: did you MD5 test the ISO you downloaded?
[17:57] <sla_> kunji: no - not yet
[17:57] <Zack263> it says fdeveloper.desktop is not marked as trusted
[17:57] <jParkton> I can say in 14 years using Linux I have only checked a MD5 once iirc
[17:57] <nnnnooiiio> @actionparsnip how to do that?
[17:57] <sla_> kunji: do you think I will be more successful?^^
[17:58] <ActionParsnip> Zack263: mark it as executable
[17:58] <ActionParsnip> !md5 | nnnnooiiio
[17:58] <ActionParsnip> nnnnooiiio: you have no way of knowing the data you downloaded is complee and consistent.
[17:58] <kunji> sla_:I don't think gparted can set mount point, just reads and displays them.  They're normally handled by the fstab file, I'm not sure what is done during installation though
[17:58] <Slaizer> ActionParsnip, So how do we progress?
[17:59] <ActionParsnip> Slaizer: Id try the newer kernel, you can always roll back to the official ubuntu kernel
[17:59] <kunji> sla_: Maybe via chroot?
[17:59] <Slaizer> ActionParsnip, How do I do this?
[18:00] <Zack263> error launching application... in the exe path... do u need to include the file name to be executed... it just said put path
[18:00] <ActionParsnip> Slaizer: lots and lots of guides online...you really have to ask. I gotta jet
[18:00] <sla_> kunji: when should I use it? When I have started the live cd?
[18:00] <sla_> kunji: I have not seen any way to start a terminal during normal installation?
[18:01] <x-ip> question: redis is starting after i reboot the machine, and i checked at /etc/init.d and redis-server has not exec permissions, i did chmod -x /etc/init.d/redis-server, how is starting at system boot anyway? where can i check?
[18:01] <kunji> sla_: That's my best guess, live CD, do the chroot and set the mount points, then start the installation from the desktop of the live session
[18:01] <kunji> sla_: No guarantees though, I haven't tried anything like this
[18:01] <n-iCe> Hello
[18:01] <bao_> hi, has anyone successfully configure kdump on EC2 HVM instance?
[18:02] <n-iCe> Why would you guys say to choose Ubuntu over any other Ubuntu alternative?
[18:02] <jParkton> Ubuntu != Amazon
[18:02] <sla_> kunji: I will try :/
[18:02] <jParkton> n-iCe: I use/have used Kubuntu for a longggg time, and I would steer anyone to it over Ubuntu
[18:03] <kunji> sla_:good luck
[18:03] <cjohnson> How can I apt-get install a package without asking the user if they definitely want to install it, but while sitll letting any subsequent problems pause for user input?
[18:03] <n-iCe> :o
[18:03] <akhilesh> what does kubuntu offer over ubuntu?
[18:03] <cjohnson> KDE
[18:03] <n-iCe> yeah, what
[18:03] <n-iCe> oh
[18:03] <tgm4883> Personally I prefer ubuntu over kubuntu
[18:03] <n-iCe> I don't like KDE
[18:03] <sla_> thanks
[18:04] <kunji> KDE....
[18:04] <akhilesh> yea same here
[18:04] <jParkton> Kubuntu has never included spam in its releases unlike Ubuntu
[18:04] <kunji> KDE is spam
[18:04] <brainwash> KDE is love
[18:04] <tgm4883> lets keep this on topic please
[18:04] <jParkton> ^
[18:04] <n-iCe> and xubuntu?
[18:04] <kunji> :P
[18:04] <brainwash> you can easily test the different flavors
[18:04] <BluesKaj> kunji, stop that, KDE is a  legit desktop highly regarded by many people
[18:05] <kunji> Xubuntu = Ubuntu + XFCE - Unity
[18:05] <kunji> BluesKaj: I never said otherwise
[18:05] <n-iCe> I will try Ubuntu then
[18:05] <BluesKaj> you called it spam
[18:05] <BluesKaj> !Kubuntu
[18:05] <n-iCe> what favlor would you guys say is the lightweightest one and runs faster
[18:05] <kunji> Spam is a meat product highly regarded by many people as well
[18:05] <kunji> Especially in Hawawii
[18:05] <jParkton> Xubuntu is lightest
[18:06] <tgm4883> BluesKaj: and jparkton said ubuntu shipped with spam but you didn't call him out on it. Now can we all just keep things on topic?
[18:06] <n-iCe> than lubuntu?
[18:06] <jParkton> tgm4883: because its a fact
[18:06] <kunji> Citation?
[18:06] <BluesKaj> tgm4883, stupid remarks deserve to be pointed out
[18:08] <nnnnooiiio> @actionparsing did mdp test its match
[18:08] <nnnnooiiio> md5
[18:08] <jParkton> kunji: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/24/ubuntu_amazon_suggestions/
[18:09] <jParkton> adware
[18:09] <nnnnooiiio> can i get lil help?on my old laptop ibm thinkpad t42 trying to instal lubuntu with usb flash and its hangs when i press instal or try lubuntu already did md5 test
[18:09] <kunji> jParkton: Search results are not quite the same as adware, you could have just stated what you were referring to, I was thinking it would be that
[18:10] <jParkton> I see
[18:10] <jParkton> cool dismissal though
[18:10] <kunji>  Nor are they the same as spam
[18:10] <jParkton> again
[18:11] <jParkton> cool dismissal
[18:11] <kunji> I know, it's a fine line though :P
[18:11] <jParkton> I personally despise amazon and never do business with them, why should I be fine with them installing 'premium search results' or whatever they were getting paid by amazon to do
[18:12] <BluesKaj> jParkton, good one ! heh now which OS is the spam one kunji ?
[18:12] <nnnnooiiio> can i get lil help?on my old laptop ibm thinkpad t42 trying to instal lubuntu with usb flash and its hangs when i press instal or try lubuntu already did md5 test
[18:12] <tgm4883> since we're completely off topic now, jParkton why do you despise amazon?
[18:12] <kunji> BluesKaj: ChomeOS?
[18:12] <kunji> BluesKaj: Or is it Android via carriers?
[18:12] <jParkton> multiple reasons but that is neither Ubuntu nor on topic lol
[18:13] <jParkton> im in offtopic though
[18:13] <BluesKaj> kunji, keep trying ...it's not working
[18:13] <kunji> jParkton: sorry, yes, lets get back on topic
[18:14] <tgm4883> jParkton: well it's good that you'll go offtopic to take shots at ubuntu (even when asked to stay ontopic) but will refrain from mentioning anything off topic when asked a direct question. Cool motives though
[18:14] <kunji> So then, back on topic, fixing a bad input/output that was not the result of a bad disk?
[18:14] <Razzdoll> Hi again. How would I stop the network manager from interfering with my usb adapter but still be able to use both my wireless usb, and ethernet connections?
[18:14] <nnnnooiiio> can i get lil help?on my old laptop ibm thinkpad t42 trying to instal lubuntu with usb flash and its hangs when i press instal or try lubuntu already did md5 test
[18:14] <histo> Razzdoll: What usb adapter
[18:15] <histo> !nomodeset | nnnnooiiio
[18:15] <Razzdoll> histo; alfa awus036nha
[18:15] <histo> Razzdoll: how is it interfering?
[18:15] <kunji> Razzdoll: You could ditch the network manage and manage the connection manually...
[18:15] <kunji> *manager
[18:15] <histo> Razzdoll: you could always deactivate that device
[18:16] <rafid> how i start to write system call in linux
[18:17] <histo> rafid: for what service?
[18:17] <kunji> Is ntfsprogs no longer in the repos?
[18:17] <rafid> any service
[18:18] <histo> !info ntfsprogs
[18:18] <histo> !info ntfs-utils
[18:18] <histo> kunji: ntfs-3g
[18:18] <sla_> kunji: I have tried something different first now - I have deleted one of my primary partitions (I have backed up the data before) and deleted it. Now I have just 2 primary partitions and the installer still does not show anything where I can install ubuntu on...
[18:18] <Razzdoll> histo, well i'm trying to use aircrack (for knowledge only), and its giving me an error about the other devices/software. (pid #'s and such), so in order to fix it, I need to kill all instances of such, but with that, im afraid will be my wired connection
[18:19] <jhulten> Are there any know issues with  http://us-east-1.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com
[18:19] <histo> Razzdoll: what's giving the error
[18:19] <Slaizer> I don't have any internet connection on the computer which I would like to get the latest kernel on. I have an i7 processor. Which files do I need to download from here: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.1-rc1-vivid/?
[18:19] <kunji> sla_: You created an EXT4 partition?
[18:19] <histo> Razzdoll: and what is the error
[18:19] <OerHeks> Ubottu, please add: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/vivid/man8/ntfsprogs.8.html
[18:20] <Razzdoll> histo http://pastebin.com/7K2LFJ16
[18:20] <histo> Razzdoll: that's just a warning
[18:20] <histo> Razzdoll: you should stop network manager first
[18:20] <TJ-> Razzdoll: you might be able to do it using "no-auto-default=", see "man NetworkManager.conf", if that is sufficient
[18:21] <jhulten> We are seeing, first mergelist errors, then this... http://paste.ubuntu.com/11653820/
[18:22] <dcz> is there anybody  here how to use prolog ?
[18:23] <OerHeks> dcz, if prolog means a music device, you might ask in #ubuntu-studio
[18:23] <jhulten> dcz: You ask in #prolog?
[18:23] <kunji> Hmm, ntfsprogs don't seem to have anything to do what I want, unless I'm misreading ntfsfix...?
[18:23] <l0p3n> I recently installed ubuntu using the command line option (installing Ubuntu without a desktop environment). Now when I boot the computer all I see is a black screen. Any ideas?
[18:24] <d3bug> hello again
[18:24] <MonkeyDust> !nomodeset | l0p3n start here
[18:25] <jParkton> I fail to see how that has anything to do with motives, but cool childishness level thar
[18:25] <Slaizer> which files do I need to install kernel 4.1, from here: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.1-rc1-vivid/?
[18:26] <d3bug> does anyone know how to read a single mode 1 data track RAW from a multisession CD?
[18:27] <Razzdoll> histo, TJ- - I just did NetworkManager stop, and everything went offline. So yea. lol. not doing that til I read more about it. I just want to be able to use this usb adapter with my ethernet connection, but its giving me problems because of the NetworkManager and the like.
[18:27] <sla_> kunji: no - not yet...  I am too wired right now ^^ I am creating
[18:27] <l0p3n> ubottu: Thanks I'll have a look at that
[18:27] <jParkton> Slaizer: what are you trying to do?
[18:27] <l0p3n> MonkeyDust: :)
[18:28] <histo> Razzdoll: that's not a problem it's just a warning
[18:28] <histo> Razzdoll: and like I said you can tell network manager not to manage that device
[18:28] <TJ-> jhulten: That sig is not good, have you run gpg on the file manually?
[18:28] <Slaizer> jParkton, install the latest Ubuntu kernel on a computer that doesn't have any internet connection. I think I need the following:  linux-headers-4.1.0-040100rc1-generic_4.1.0-040100rc1.201504270235_amd64.deb, linux-headers-4.1.0-040100rc1_4.1.0-040100rc1.201504270235_all.deb, 	linux-image-4.1.0-040100rc1-generic_4.1.0-040100rc1.201504270235_amd64.deb. Am i right here? I have this issue: Qualcomm Atheros doesn't work, and hoping that the latest kernel wil
[18:28] <Slaizer> l fix that.
[18:28] <kunji> Hmm, no chkdsk equivalent in Ubuntu right?
[18:29] <d3bug> kunji:  fsck
[18:29] <jParkton> Slaizer: you need an internet connection
[18:29] <histo> kunji: there is, what file system are you trying to check?
[18:29] <Slaizer> jParkton, I need to install the files from an USB.
[18:29] <jParkton> isnt there a modprobe you need to do?
[18:29] <jParkton> for the qualcomm?
[18:29] <Slaizer> jParkton, To install the latest kernel 4.1
[18:29] <kunji> d3bug: Ah, that's right, was that for NTFS though?   histo: NTFS
[18:30] <Slaizer> jParkton, hoping wifi work with the latest kernel.
[18:30] <d3bug> kunji: fsck.ntfs
[18:30] <jParkton> probably not
[18:31] <histo> kunji: ntfsfix
[18:31] <Razzdoll> histo, ok I did that, but now its not recognizing one or the other when I do ifconfig
[18:31] <kunji> histo: I don't think that does quite the same, it's a very light version that sets also sets the flag for windows to do it on next boot
[18:31] <histo> Razzdoll: you did what? You're not making any sense whatsoever.
[18:32] <jhulten> TJ-: We got it fixed. Thx.
[18:32] <d3bug> does anyone know how to read a single mode 1 data track RAW from a multisession CD?
[18:32] <jParkton> d3bug: is it mounted?
[18:33] <histo> kunji: fsck.ntfs = ntfsfix
[18:33] <sla_> kunja: sorry lost connection - I have created now that it looks like this: https://media-cdn.ubuntu-de.org/wiki/attachments/02/01/gp_fertig.png
[18:33] <d3bug> jParkton: no, it's not mounted... can't be.  it's not a filesystem that can be used directly.  I need to duplucate the track bit for bit which is why I saw RAW.
[18:33] <sla_> kunji: but the installer doesn't find it
[18:33] <Razzdoll> histo, haha, what? I want aircrack-ng to work using the usb adapter I got (alfa awus036nha), but it isnt because of my ethernet (wired) connection. it's interfering.
[18:34] <histo> Razzdoll: Again why do you think your ethernet is interfering?
[18:34] <kunji> There is no fsck.ntfs...
[18:34] <jParkton> honestly I dont think it possible but best of luck
[18:34] <Razzdoll> histo, because when I try to start the monitoring process, it gives me trouble.
[18:34] <TJ-> d3bug: have you tried "cdrdao" ?
[18:34] <kunji> There is ntfsck
[18:35] <histo> Razzdoll: WHAT trouble?
[18:35] <d3bug> TJ:  that will read the whole disc into a single file which is impossible to manipulate after that.
[18:35] <histo> kunji: right because fsck.ntfs is just a shell script to run ntfsfix
[18:35] <TJ-> d3bug: According to "man cdrdao" read-toc and read-cd will read the tracks
[18:35] <d3bug> TJ:  I need separate files for each track.
[18:35] <sla_> kunji: can it be, that the installer has changed in 14.04? I can not find the step shown here (http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/install-ubuntu-desktop) in step 3
[18:35] <kunji> histo: Ah, but ntfsfix doesn't do what chkdsk does, this will require  a reboot T.T
[18:36] <Razzdoll> histo, everytime I do 'airmon-ng' or 'airmon-ng start <interface>', it keeps saying the device is busy (-16) or adding another extension to the device name (ie wlan0 wlan0mon wlan0monmon wlan0monmonmon)
[18:36] <histo> kunji: ntfsfix runs several consistency checks. If you need more than that run windows
[18:36] <histo> Razzdoll: make sure you using the right device. Also see what else is managing the device you are trying to start a mon interface on.
[18:36] <kunji> sla_: O.o no step 3 would be a problem indeed, try the ncurses installer
[18:37] <al2o3-cr> Razzdoll: wlan0mon is your newly created monitor interface
[18:37] <d3bug> TJ:  those options are for CDDA not Data
[18:37] <kunji> histo: I do need more :P, as also indicated by the output of ntfsfix.... unless... does it need to be unmounted?
[18:37] <al2o3-cr> so it looks like you've created 3 ;p
[18:37] <histo> Razzdoll: lsof | grep wlan0  or whatever
[18:38] <TJ-> d3bug: it says cdrdao creates audio and data CD-Rs" ... isn't that what you want?
[18:38] <kunji> histo: nvm, no luck that way either
[18:38] <histo> kunji: yes it needs to be unmounted. What is the problem you are trying to fix in the first place?
[18:38] <Razzdoll> histo, no other is managing. that command resulted to an empty terminal line.
[18:38] <kunji> histo: I believe a loose cable created some problems while a large right was occuring to the drive
[18:38] <histo> Razzdoll: are you sure it's wlan0 ?
[18:39] <Jordan_U> kunji: If you have filesystem corruption on an ntfs volume you really need to use chkdsk from Windows to fix it.
[18:39] <kunji> Jordan_U: Yeah, looking that way
[18:39] <Razzdoll> histo, both eth0 and eth1 say ethernet, but i know that is not the case. So, now I am unsure
[18:39] <d3bug> TJ:  no.  this CD is data only (BeOS 4).  unfortunately the developers (in their infinite wisdom) decided that floppy drives would be around forever, and didn't make the CD bootable.  what I am trying to do is rip each data track individually, then make the ISO9660 part bootable, and burn each track in TAO mode onto a new disc.
[18:40] <histo> Razzdoll: if you aren't sure then how did you tell network manager to stop managing the device?
[18:41] <Razzdoll> histo because under system settings > Network, it said Wired, Wireless.
[18:41] <Razzdoll> histo, but I turned the wireless back on,b ecause all it did was turned it off
[18:41] <owen--> Hello all. Is there such a package in the repos that enables one to manage a whole series of applications, for a particular task? So instead of opening up several different applications for a specific job/project. I could for example name the project and it will manage several applications. Using Kubuntu 14.04
[18:42] <histo> Razzdoll: well once you sort your devices if you put iface whatever inet manual into your /etc/network/interfaces file network manager won't manage it
[18:42] <Razzdoll> Thanks histo
[18:43] <histo> Razzdoll: you really should just boot to kali linux or something already setup to do this sort of thing.
[18:44] <Razzdoll> histo, I'm not mischievous, I'm just wanting to learn :/
[18:44] <histo> Razzdoll: I know
[18:44] <histo> Razzdoll: have fun crack away at your own stuff
[18:44] <sh0t> hi guys
[18:44] <Razzdoll> histo, actually, going to go over to my relatives and try it on theirs. lol
[18:45] <Razzdoll> histo (i already know their password)
[18:45] <histo> sh0t: hello
[18:45] <OerHeks> owen--, there are metapackages, like kubuntu-restricted-extras and ubuntustudio-photography ( my favorite)
[18:45] <sh0t> how do i install a specific version of a package on ubuntu? For instance I need to install ocaml 4.02 but if do: apt-cache madison ocaml i can only see the version 4.01...
[18:45] <sh0t> is it possible to do with apt or do i need to go with tar.gz?
[18:46] <OerHeks> !info games-fps
[18:47] <Razzdoll> histo; if I can get this damn terminal window to not always reduce to the size of a .... pretzel rod
[18:47] <histo> lol
[18:47] <histo> sh0t: you
[18:47] <histo> sh0t: you'd have to install from source or use a ppa repo
[18:47] <MonkeyDust> sh0t  if you want something that's newer than what's in the repos, you need a ppa or .deb or so, but that's not supported here
[18:47] <Slaizer> I have an Qualcomm internet card, can't get it working. Someone to help me out?
[18:48] <brainwash_> sh0t: 4.02 is not available in the official repo (not even in the current development release)
[18:48] <owen--> OerHeks: I was thinking along the lines of if I was doing a specific jobA, then I would need a file manager open in a specific place, with a text editor open, perhaps two command line windows and libre office. The when I go back to doing jobA the next day I could have all this stuff opened automatically.
[18:48] <Jordan_U> sh0t: What is your end goal?
[18:48] <Razzdoll> histo,  yes it is called wlan0, but it has no ip information
[18:48] <sh0t> Jordan_U, installing all this software: http://pastebin.com/MZNRXpv8
[18:48] <histo> Razzdoll: it's probably not up that's all
[18:49] <Razzdoll> histo, the blue light is on the adapter, it has to be
[18:49] <OerHeks> owen--, add those apps to startup applications?
[18:49] <Jordan_U> sh0t: That's not an *end goal*. What are you actually trying to accomplish?
[18:49] <sh0t> ok histo MonkeyDust i ll try this ppa thing... brainwash_ i see it's not suppoerted..is there a irc channel I can specifically ask for this kind of question?
[18:49] <Slaizer> someone to guide me through this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1383184/comments/115?
[18:50] <d3bug> this is frustrating... you would think at some point SOMEONE would have tried to do what I am trying to do, get frustrated, and write some kind of utility to do it... esp. considering Linux is made for this sort of thing.  :S
[18:50] <sh0t> Jordan_U, how specific do u want me to be. I need to attend a school and that software is required.
[18:50] <Razzdoll> histo, http://pastebin.com/A45gGXLU - it lies to me!
[18:50] <sh0t> I don't know why they want that specific version...
[18:50] <Jordan_U> sh0t: That's a great answer, thank you.
[18:50] <owen--> OerHeks: But what if I then wanted to do jobB that uses another set of applications?
[18:51] <sla_> kunji: what shall I do with ncurses? How does it help me to install ubuntu?
[18:51] <sh0t> Jordan_U, are you being ironic? I didn't mean to be rude...it's just i don't know how to answer your question more than like I did...
[18:52] <owen--> OerHeks: I guess what I'm looking for is some kind of session manager, if such a thing exists.
[18:52] <d3bug> I can see it now... I'm gonna have to spend 6mo learning c++ just to do this one thing.   :|
[18:52] <MonkeyDust> d3bug  if you find a solution, then you are the expert
[18:52] <EriC^^> d3bug: what are whining about?
[18:52] <Johnny_Linux> it will be a continual asset if you learn it
[18:52] <EriC^^> *are you
[18:53] <brainwash_> sh0t: debian experimental has 4.02. maybe it will make it's way to 15.10, maybe even as backport for older releases
[18:53] <d3bug> EriC^^: I need to read a data CD (multisession) as separate tracks instead of reading the whole thing as one big BIN file.  I do not wish to mount the filesystems, but get a bit for bit RAW copy of these tracks.  Anyone got any ideas?  (there is no CDDA on this disc)
[18:54] <Jordan_U> sh0t: No, I'm being completely serious. "I was told I need it for a class" answers my question. Now I know that you're not trying to build a specific project (which is what most people looking to install such packages are trying to do, and they usually should accomplish that goal another way).
[18:54] <histo> Razzdoll: did you edit /etc/network/interfaces?
[18:54] <sh0t> ah ok Jordan_U :)
[18:54] <Razzdoll> histo,  no. didnt even know i had to
[18:55] <sh0t> i guess i'll go with .tar.gz...
[18:55] <sh0t> not very elegant
[18:55] <sh0t> though
[18:55] <sh0t> i am sure i am gonna have problems
[18:55] <Razzdoll> histo,  nothing is in there but # interfaces(5) file used by ifup(8) and ifdown(8)
[18:55] <Razzdoll> auto lo
[18:55] <Razzdoll> iface lo inet loopback
[18:55] <brainwash_> sh0t: you can try to install the package (and its dependencies) manually from https://packages.debian.org/experimental/ocaml
[18:55] <MonkeyDust> d3bug  try 'jack' in a terminal... jack -k saves as .wav ... 'man jack' for more
[18:55] <histo> Razzdoll: you don't have to do anything. What are you trying to do with wlan0?
[18:55] <sh0t> is it the same brainwash_ for ubuntu?
[18:56] <SergioEDuran1> Hi
[18:56] <histo> sh0t: use checkinstall
[18:56] <d3bug> MonkeyDust:  these are not CDDA tracks.  they are Mode 1 data tracks
[18:56] <sh0t> histo, what's that?
[18:56] <histo> sh0t: it will make a deb for you from source for easy removal
[18:56] <sh0t> ah ok
[18:57] <histo> Razzdoll: if you are just trying to bring the interface up for whatever reason it needs to be defined in interfaces or you have to manage it with somehting like network manager.
[18:57] <dgarstang> Does ubuntu support authorized_keys.d ?
[18:58] <histo> dgarstang: do you mean does ssh support authorized keys?
[18:58] <brainwash_> sh0t: it can work, and it will work in many cases. still, you may encounter problems when installing packages from debian (or newer ubuntu releases)
[18:59] <MonkeyDust> d3bug  find 'mode 1' on this page
[18:59] <Jordan_U> sh0t: https://launchpad.net/~avsm/+archive/ubuntu/ocaml42+opam12
[18:59] <dgarstang> histo: on ubuntu, with a plugin directory, yes
[18:59] <hplc> is there any librarian program for us who wich to get the e-books sorted after such as year of publish?
[19:00] <sh0t> thanks Jordan_U it looks like what i needed
[19:00] <jmfurlott> Anyone know of some good Unity theme collections?
[19:00] <owen--> hplc: Have you tried Calibre
[19:00] <MonkeyDust> d3bug  oops, this page http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/man1/cdrdao.1.html
[19:00] <sh0t> i'l ltry in a while
[19:01] <hplc_> can calibre do that? an ebook viewer?
[19:01] <NoImNotNineVolt> okay, so i added a /etc/init/foo.conf upstart script, and when i sudo service foo status, i get foo: unrecognized service
[19:01] <Quantos> Hey guys, 14.04.2 LTS fully patched, my bottom taskbar has gone kaput.  It's still there but instead of being black it's light grey and I can't right click on it
[19:01] <MonkeyDust> Quantos  bottom task bar? what DE are you using?
[19:01] <owen--> hplc: I think it can do that and much much more
[19:01] <Quantos> Gnome
[19:01] <NoImNotNineVolt> is there some additional step i need to perform to get upstart to recognize this new service?
[19:01] <hplc_> owen--, thanks :)
[19:02] <Jordan_U> sh0t: You're welcome.
[19:02] <Johnny_Linux> can linux do my dishes ??
[19:02] <NoImNotNineVolt> (i know systemd requires a `systemctl daemon-reload`, but i was told here that upstart will recognize the new service automagically (which seems to not be the case based on my testing))
[19:02] <brainwash_> NoImNotNineVolt: it's sudo status foo
[19:02] <MonkeyDust> Johnny_Linux  try dishes.wash --fast
[19:03] <Johnny_Linux> D`oh!
[19:03] <NoImNotNineVolt> brainwash_: that doesn't work either. status: Unknown job: foo
[19:03] <brainwash_> NoImNotNineVolt: service is for sysvinit
[19:03] <NoImNotNineVolt> service is also for systemd.
[19:03] <owen--> Johnny_Linux: I think you could probably program the dishwasher with Linux
[19:03] <NoImNotNineVolt> service is also a generic wrapper that calls your init's binary of choice.
[19:03] <brainwash_> NoImNotNineVolt: thought it's systemctl
[19:03] <Johnny_Linux> prolly, it does everything else, maybe walk my dog next
[19:03] <NoImNotNineVolt> brainwash_: nope, service still works. for backwards compatibility.
[19:03] <brainwash_> NoImNotNineVolt: I see
[19:04] <NoImNotNineVolt> anyway, `status` gives the same problem.
[19:04] <Jordan_U> Johnny_Linux: Please take offtopic chatter to #ubuntu-offtopic. This channel is for productive Ubuntu support discussion only.
[19:04] <Johnny_Linux> 10-4
[19:04] <NoImNotNineVolt> even though i'm looking at /etc/init/foo.conf
[19:04] <d3bug> Johnny_Linux:  yes, it can do your dishes... just install linux on an RB5X robot with the arm and wala...
[19:05] <MonkeyDust> d3bug  did you find 'mode 1' on this page (use ctrl f) http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/man1/cdrdao.1.html
[19:05] <brainwash_> NoImNotNineVolt: I guess your upstart service file contains some invalid syntax or sth like that
[19:06] <NoImNotNineVolt> `initctl reload-configuration`
[19:06] <NoImNotNineVolt> apparently you guys were wrong. upstart doesn't automagically recognize newly-added scripts.
[19:15] <kunji> Guys, what happened to the text based installer?  Does it no longer exist?
[19:15] <NoImNotNineVolt> i used a console installer earlier today. looked fine to me.
[19:15] <Jordan_U> kunji: The server and minimal isos still use the text based debian-installer.
[19:15] <kunji> Jordan_U: But if you wanted a normal desktop install and the graphical one wasn't working?
[19:15] <kunji> Jordan_U: Is using the server one the closest to that now then?
[19:15] <Jordan_U> kunji: The minimal would allow you to do that, though you need to be connected to the internet (preferably via ethernet) during install.
[19:15] <Jordan_U> kunji: What "isn't working" about the graphical installer for you?
[19:15] <sh0t> Jordan_U, what if I now cannot isntall ledit because it says it requires ocaml 4.01?
[19:15] <sh0t> my god...:/
[19:15] <kunji> Jordan_U: For sla_ actually, it isn't showing the page where it allows you to choose something else for your partition configuration so he isn't able to assign the mount points to his partitions for the install.
[19:15] <jParkton> 4.01 is in the repos
[19:15] <jParkton> sooooo
[19:15] <Jordan_U> sh0t: You may want to create a chroot with Ocaml 4.0.2, unless ledit needs to interface directly with the compiler you're using (I'm not very familiar with either OCaml or ledit).
[19:15] <sh0t> Jordan_U, too late I already installed it in my vm without chroot
[19:16] <sh0t> what if i remove the ppa of ocaml4.02 install ocaml 4.01 install ledit and then remove ocaml 4.01?
[19:16] <Jordan_U> sh0t: You can always uninstall packages (ppa-purge is the tool to use to remove ppas completely, including reverting back to official versions of packages).
[19:16] <sh0t> mm ok Jordan_U  thanks
[19:16] <Jordan_U> sh0t: You're welcome.
[19:16] <brainwash_> NoImNotNineVolt: just curious, does `init-checkconf` return that your job file is valid?
[19:16] <sla_> Jordan_U: the installer also doesn't provide me the step were I have to choose "something else.." - first it shows me the language, followed by the network setup and the immediately leads me to the partition setup, where nothing is shown
[19:16] <dgarstang> Does ssh on ubuntu support something like authorized_keys.d ?
[19:16] <Jordan_U> sla_: Debian-installer isn't organized the same way as Ubiquity, there is no option called "something else", but everything that you can do with Ubiquity can also be done with debian-installer.
[19:16] <NoImNotNineVolt> touche :P
[19:16] <sla_> Jordan_U: but I should see the Ubiquity installer when I try to install Ubuntu, right?
[19:16] <Jordan_U> sla_: Sorry, mistook you for kunji (who was planning to use debian-installer).
[19:16] <sla_> hehe :D
[19:16] <NoImNotNineVolt> that was the problem. description wasn't quoted.
[19:16] <p_l> Hello! Anyone here knows workarounds for UEFI-booting machines that do not respect bootvars using Ubuntu's GRUB-signed stack? (14.04 LTS in this case?)
[19:17] <NoImNotNineVolt> apparently initctl reload-configuration is implicitly run when you start/stop/status ?
[19:17] <Jordan_U> p_l: Please describe the symptoms of the problem you're having.
[19:17] <Omnipotent> man you know you have a pro when you see them like Jordan_U
[19:17] <Omnipotent> :D
[19:18] <brainwash_> NoImNotNineVolt: I don't know. I'm not that interested in upstart anymore tough :)
[19:18] <p_l> Jordan_U: I've got an intel NUC which has broken efi bootvar handling - as such, I need to use fallback bootloader path (i.e. BOOTX64.EFI). The question is now which file(s) from Ubuntu's GRUB to copy there so that it finds its config properly and boots - right now, I get "no bootable device found" in the end
[19:18] <sla_> Jordan_U: so any idea what is wrong with my installation? here you can see the current fdisk output: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1n-ApJhSe_XNHhnQUxLc2RlVkk/view?usp=sharing
[19:18] <EriC^^> p_l: /EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi or shimx64.efi for secureboot
[19:19] <EriC^^> p_l: when you mean copy there you mean copy and rename as bootx64.efi right?
[19:19] <Jordan_U> p_l: sudo grub-install --removable
[19:20] <MonkeyDust> d3bug  keep it in the channel please... try contacting the author of cdrdao ... Andreas Mueller<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:20] <p_l> Jordan_U: was that included already in the version used by 14.04?
[19:20] <Jordan_U> p_l: Yes.
[19:20] <edve> how to install ffmpeg on ubuntu 14.04 ?
[19:20] <edve> the command line ?
[19:21] <MonkeyDust> edve it should be there by default ... but better try avconv ... winff is a nice gui for ffmpeg/avconv
[19:22] <edve> i need that command to catch a stream and save it into a file.
[19:23] <edve> so I need a CLI command cause it's a Ubuntu server that will save it
[19:23] <MonkeyDust> edve  i guess vlc can do that
[19:23] <MonkeyDust> ah ok
[19:23] <Slaizer> will Qualcomm Atheros ever work under Linux?
[19:24] <edve> Yeah but a guy into the VLC irc told me to use ffmpeg to catch it :/
[19:25] <p_l> Jordan_U: so, grub-install --removable /dev/sda is now in the script, waiting for the install to go through...
[19:26] <al2o3-cr> Slaizer: works perfectly fine
[19:26] <Slaizer> al2o3-cr, how do you mean? not having an internet connection with Qualcomm Ahteros is your definition of just working fine?
[19:27] <OerHeks> "Qualcomm Ahteros" has many chipsets
[19:28] <MonkeyDust> edve  type this in a terminal, then use /save to look for "save" (or any word you're looking for) : vlc --longhelp --advanced > vlc_help; less vlc_help
[19:30] <Slaizer> my Qualcomm Atheros Device 003e is not one of the functioning chipset
[19:30] <NCS_One> hi
[19:30] <NCS_One> is there some way to recover a file I just deleted with rm?
[19:33] <EriC^^> NCS_One: there's testdisk and photorec
[19:33] <EriC^^> !info testdisk
[19:33] <Ben64> NCS_One: if the file is open, yes. if not, you'd have to use testdisk or photorec
[19:38] <Jordan_U> p_l: In what sctipt? You shouldn't pass /dev/sda as it's meaningless (and therefore ignored) on UEFI.
[19:38] <al2o3-cr> Slaizer: what does `modinfo ath9k | grep 003E` ?
[19:40] <p_l> Jordan_U: the machine is few hundred kilometers from me, installing with preseed and a post-install script downloaded into chroot
[19:40] <p_l> i can only watch it from syslog data sent to boot server by debian-installer :)
[19:40] <d3bug> anyone know of a linux tool to edit an existing ISO to make it bootable?
[19:41] <Slaizer> al2o3-cr, nothing
[19:41] <al2o3-cr> Slaizer: also try with ath10k_core and ath10k_pci
[19:43] <p_l> Jordan_U: anyway, thanks - the braindamaged intel nuc booted :)
[19:44] <MonkeyDust> d3bug  http://sourceforge.net/projects/systemback/  <-- "Live system creation"
[19:44] <Jordan_U> p_l: You're welcome :)
[19:44] <p_l> I have >50 of them to autoinstall remotely :)
[19:45] <Slaizer> al2o3-cr, http://pastebin.com/9M4eZGHp
[19:45] <kuba7447> hi, how do i delete the example folder?, i moved it to trash and deleted it, but i can still see that sample song
[19:46] <TJ-> d3bug: I used k3d  with a boot.img I created especially
[19:46] <al2o3-cr> Slaizer: try: sudo modprobe ath10k_pci ?
[19:46] <d3bug> TJ:  thx  let me give it a whirl.
[19:48] <d3bug> MonkeyDust:  that is not even in the same universe as what I am trying to do... but ty anyway.
[19:48] <Slaizer> al2o3-cr, nothing. And I have the latest kernel, 4.1.
[19:48] <TJ-> d3bug: a long time ago, I'm not finding my notes or the project now, probably on another system
[19:48] <histo> isn't the ath10k driver busted
[19:49] <lavinho> ooix
[19:49] <Slaizer> al2o3-cr, will this Qualcomm Athero card work in a near future under Linux? This Acer Aspire VN7-791G is brand new.
[19:49] <TJ-> d3bug: I know I wrote up extensive notes on the steps
[19:49] <lavinho> algum tuga por aqui
[19:49] <d3bug> TJ:  I am sure if it allows me to open an existing ISO, the steps won't be too hard.
[19:50] <al2o3-cr> Slaizer: probably will in due time, that chipset is brand new
[19:50] <Slaizer> al2o3-cr, I am better off waiting a couple of months?
[19:51] <d3bug> Slaizer:  if that long... one thing that is great about Linux is someone somewhere is working on everything you can imagine at any given moment... :)
[19:51] <al2o3-cr> Slaizer: I would if I were you, because that is a spanking brand new chipset
[19:51] <al2o3-cr> Slaizer: I can't even find the firmware for it anywhere
[19:52] <Slaizer> al2o3-cr, Okey, I am going to windows and hope this issue will be fixed at the end of the summer.
[19:52] <al2o3-cr> Slaizer: or just buy a cheap usb one for now if that is an option to you?
[19:52] <pablo383> asdasdas
[19:52] <pablo383> asda
[19:52] <pablo383> sda
[19:52] <pablo383> sd
[19:52] <pablo383> asd
[19:52] <pablo383> as
[19:52] <Slaizer> al2o3-cr, This card will be fixed under Linux at the end of the summer, definitely?
[19:53] <al2o3-cr> Slaizer: I can't say for certain
[19:53] <Slaizer> al2o3-cr, I have an expensive USB, like 70 dollar. But it does not work
[19:53] <al2o3-cr> Slaizer: what is it?
[19:54] <Slaizer> al2o3-cr, Zyxel, model number: NWD2705
[19:54] <d3bug> TJ:  ok, there is nowhere to edit the existing ISO in K3b.
[19:55] <Slaizer> al2o3-cr, http://www.zyxel.com/se/sv/products_services/nwd2705.shtml?t=p
[19:56] <TJ-> d3bug: you need to extract the boot.img first - I think that requires a cmd-line tool, then the boot.img can be specified when authoring a new image
[19:57] <Slaizer> al2o3-cr, will this card work?
[19:57] <al2o3-cr> Slaizer: yep, no support for that to upto yet
[19:57] <Jordan_U> Slaizer: Internal wireless cards are much more likely to work than USB ones.
[19:58] <Slaizer> al2o3-cr, So will I be able to use Linux in a near future, less I switch to a external USB port?
[19:58] <TJ-> d3bug: I think probably it requires extracting the ISO contents and rebuilding to use K3B to include a boot.img
[19:58] <al2o3-cr> Slaizer: yep, but how long I don't know
[19:59] <TJ-> d3bug: this is bugging me because I spent a lot of time figuring out how to create a bootable device with multiple boot options in the El Torito image
[19:59] <Slaizer> al2o3-cr, can you PM your guys and say that a guy wants this working? :P
[19:59] <d3bug> TJ:  it's not going to be that simple... let me explain.   This is a BeOS 4 CD.  The boot image is in the format of a 720k floppy image called IMAGE.Z on the iso9660 session of the disc (track1).  I have copied that boot image to ~ to work with it.  If I were under windows it would be simple... MagicISO or PowerISO do these things.
[20:00] <histo> d3bug: are you sure no one else has done this work already?
[20:00] <al2o3-cr> Slaizer: I'm still waiting for support for the Realtek RTL8188EUS
[20:00] <d3bug> TJ:  I want to do this without extracting the files or otherwise editing the ISO (only adding the boot image if possible).   I am sure unfortunatly.
[20:00] <TBotNik>  /msg NickServ identify myisp
[20:01] <Jordan_U> TBotNik: Change your password.
[20:01] <d3bug> lmao
[20:01] <d3bug> oopsie
[20:01] <histo> I wonder how many peoples passwords I have logged
[20:01] <Jordan_U> TBotNik: And in the future, always use the "server" window when messaging nickserv, so that this type of mistake can't happen in the future.
[20:01] <d3bug> yeah
[20:02] <d3bug> what (s)he said.
[20:02] <TBotNik> Jordan_U: What Server window, there is none
[20:02] <d3bug> TBotNik u using webchat or something?
[20:03] <TBotNik> Quassel
[20:03] <savino_> where you see a large text of info with Mod files with rulles
[20:03] <TJ-> d3bug: It should be possible to create a new image with a boot.img included, based on the original
[20:03] <histo> lol there's some good ones in my logs
[20:04] <Jordan_U> TBotNik: First change your password, and just be careful to not include a space before the '/', then (and don't skip this step!) join #quassel and ask them how to safely /msg nickserv in the future.
[20:04] <TBotNik> Jordan_U: Used Trillion, when back on Windows, 10+ years ago and it had the NICKSERV window, but not this beast
[20:05] <d3bug> TJ:  I may just put in wine and PowerISO to make my life easier... :P
[20:06] <TJ-> d3bug: yeah :) ... I know I worked on it because I submitted patches for a bug with the boot.img code where it assumed a fixed sector size
[20:07] <TBotNik> Jordan_U: It worked when I ran it in the #freenode chat session!1
[20:07] <d3bug> TJ:  how is wine64 coming along (if you know)?
[20:07] <nonnnn> hey who helped me with old t42 thinkpad?forgot to say thanks...
[20:07] <Jordan_U> TBotNik: You still don't understand the problem.
[20:08] <TBotNik> Jordan_U: My Q: Is there are release of 14.04 out yet that has the "recovery" mode option, when booting the Live DVD?
[20:08] <yecril71pl> Which package provides libbz2.pc?
[20:08] <d3bug> TBotNik:  no... that you did was give everyone in this chat room your password.
[20:08] <d3bug> that=what
[20:08] <TJ-> d3bug: I have no idea, I don't use it. I've found the bug, that's helping me get a timeline for when and where my notes may be: bug #1266461
[20:09] <Jordan_U> TBotNik: You mistypted, and included a space before '/', so you meant to type "/msg nickserv ..." and instead typed " /msg nickserv". You *will* accidentally make this typo again, so you need to learn how to get to the server channel or otherwise message nickserv without having a simple typo announce your password to the world.
[20:10] <TBotNik> Jordan_U: No I did not include the space before the command.  Do not know how it got there, so following your suggestion on changing the password
[20:11] <OerHeks> there is no such thing on any live cd, recovery option is only on installed ubuntu
[20:11] <Jordan_U> TBotNik: And you will also follow my suggesting of joining #quassel and figuring out how to do this safely in the future?
[20:11] <OerHeks> what do you want to recover from live iso, TBotNik ?
[20:12] <TBotNik> Jordan_U: PWD already reset, Thanks
[20:14] <Jordan_U> TBotNik: But you still haven't joing #quassel and asked how to safely identify or otherwise message nickserv.
[20:15] <TBotNik> I run 8 Ubuntu boxes and 14.04 has been so unstable, they are all not running the same and should be.  I need uniformity to correctly enable syncing between them as they cross compile data
[20:15] <TBotNik> Jordan_U: I did all with NICKSERVE
[20:16] <guilherme3333> linux
[20:16] <goldenucf> hi all... I got a DVD-R that was recorded by a video device, and it didn't seem to burn correctly and I can't open it... is there any way to get the data off of it?
[20:17] <Jordan_U> TBotNik: I'm going to quiet you in this channel for one hour, or until you join #quassel as I asked you to. If you wish to discuss your quiet please join #ubuntu-ops. Again, all you need to do is "/join #quassel" and ask them how to safely identify and communicate with nickserv and I will remove the quiet immediately.
[20:22] <Ranger15> Jordan_U  OT but do you like Quassel?
[20:22] <Spec-Chum> I do :)
[20:22] <Spec-Chum> pity I don't like KDE tho :p
[20:22] <Ranger15> I see
[20:22] <Ranger15> Looking at the wiki now.
[20:22] <Ranger15> Looks interesting
[20:23] <Jordan_U> Ranger15: I only tried it briefly, years ago, so I have no opinion.
[20:23] <Ranger15> I see thx.
[20:23] <Christopher-Were> Hi, I can't seem to find the config files for Deja Dup. How would I go about finding out where they are?
[20:24] <Spec-Chum> Christopher-Were, I've never used it (use grsync) but try in .config
[20:24] <Christopher-Were> i can't find it there. I've looked in all the obvious places
[20:24] <Spec-Chum> ~/.gconf/apps/deja-dup/ ?
[20:25] <Jordan_U> TBotNik: I thought you were referring to doing "/msg NICKSERV" rather than "/msg nickser", where you appear to be saying you're using a different window or equivalent now. Your quiet has been lifted.
[20:25] <Spec-Chum> ~/.config/dconf ?
[20:25] <Christopher-Were> It's not there Spec-Chum
[20:25] <TBotNik> Spec-Chum: Wouldn't leave home without KDE, beats native Ubuntu, and crushes that "UNITY" windows wannabe crap!
[20:26] <Spec-Chum> TBotNik, I can't put my finger on it, something just doesn't click with me
[20:26] <Spec-Chum> looks nice tho
[20:26] <Hobbyboy> When I try to reboot networking with sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0, it doesn't bring the network back up
[20:26] <Spec-Chum> I think it's partly due to me using gnome apps for so long
[20:26] <TBotNik> Jordan_U: Back to my 14.04 Q.  Do you have an answer?
[20:26] <acz32> is there a way to hide AM/PM in KDE's digital clock? takes too much space in panel
[20:27] <Spec-Chum> TBotNik, saying that, I've nbot tried plasma 5 yet
[20:27] <Spec-Chum> might give the live a whirl
[20:27] <stacks88> by ust running a2dismod php5 , that "php5" is essentially mod_php right?
[20:28] <stacks88> just*
[20:28] <Christopher-Were> Would it be possible for someone to help me please?
[20:28] <Jordan_U> TBotNik: The recovery shell that was included in the text based installers simply setup a chroot. That's easy enough to do from a LiveCD if you know how, and then you also have the full Live environment at your disposal.
[20:28] <badboy17> Out of curiosity, what distro are you guys running?
[20:28] <stacks88> 14.04
[20:29] <mrwn> i have a aws ec2 instance, now i can't connect to it, before that happens, i deleted all files under /var/cache, is this the reason?
[20:29] <k1l_> badboy17: we try to keep this channel clear for ubuntu support. for chatting we have #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:29] <savino_> 12 14 lts 15
[20:29] <TBotNik> Jordan_U: The 3 packages that have to work on all 3 are LAMP, Dropbox and Teamviewer.  One machine will not install TV, one has LAMP issues, another has Dropbox, but it is not syncing with the host.   You should just need to specify the SSH key that you downloaded from them
[20:31] <mrwn> tgm4883:  i login as i do normaly, i get "connection timed out"
[20:31] <Christopher-Were> Does anyone else here use Deja Dub?
[20:31] <Jordan_U> TBotNik: What does that have to do with the "recovery mode" question you asked earlier, or is this a new question?
[20:32] <royg59>  n00b question: How do I go about adding a simple "print as booklet" feature to evince?
[20:32] <royg59>  currently, the only way to do it is this tedious thing that could easily be scripted -- (https://help.gnome.org/users/evince/stable/duplex-npage.html.en)
[20:32] <royg59> so I want to script it, and incorporate it directly into the standard print menu
[20:33] <royg59> I've downloaded the evince source package, but I have no idea where the print menu and the print features are.
[20:33] <TBotNik> Jordan_U: You are talking GRUB recovery.  Do not even have that issue (well one machine just took that dive last week.  I have Ubuntu core recovery issues!  The 14.04 core has been corrupt since day one.  It think it finally got fixed 3 weeks ago, because I successfully and seemlessly upgraded my 12.04 box at work, without issues, where attempting this on other machines always caused extreme problems!
[20:36] <TBotNik> Jordan_U: Some call it the "Resue" mode, not the "Recovery" mode.  Means the same to me, but saw all the Grub Recovery stuff online, which is not part of my problem accross these machines.
[20:36] <Jordan_U> TBotNik: I am not talking about grub recovery at all. What "recovery" feature are you missing, and what did it do?
[20:37] <TBotNik> SP: Rescue not Resue
[20:37] <Christopher-Were> Does anyone here use Deja-Dup? Have you had this issue?
[20:38] <Jordan_U> TBotNik: If you're talking about the option that would allow you to get to a shell on your installed system, while actually booted into the installer, that was a very thin wrapper around chroot. If you're talking about something else, you need to describe better what exactly it allowed you to do.
[20:39] <TBotNik> Jordan_U: The recovery I'm talking about completely replaces all core/kernel files with new to restore any corrupted or incorrect files, giving you a new OS without formatting or touching any personal stuff.
[20:40] <k1l_> TBotNik: ubuntu doesnt have such a thing. the only thing you can try is a reinstall over an existing ubuntu.
[20:40] <TBotNik> Jordan_U: This "Recovery" did not require chroot to anything and always was available before.
[20:40] <Jordan_U> TBotNik: The closest I have seen to what you describe is the option to re-install while preserving /home/ (which, despite what many people claim, does *not* require /home/ to be on a separate partition).
[20:40] <k1l_> personal stuff will be kept in the /home partition. so if you dont format that it will be kept
[20:41] <tgm4883> TBotNik: I've never seen that. What version was it available on?
[20:41] <TBotNik> Jordan_U: Show me what you have cause not going through that crap of reformatting or creating a new partition again!
[20:42] <TBotNik> tgm4883: I've always had it on every version from 6.04 to 12.04!
[20:42] <blimpOS> hi all, i have a weird question can  a programmer become an entreupreuner or is it better that the entreupreuneur be a business mind more than a geek/programmer?
[20:42] <TBotNik> Always came us in my Grub boot options menu
[20:43] <royg59> n00b question: How do I go about adding a simple "print as booklet" feature to evince?
[20:43] <Jordan_U> TBotNik: What do you mean by "show me what you have"? You want me to explain how to re-install while preserving /home/ ? Note this will *not* preserve any of your system wide configuration, so you will lose all of /etc/ and any extra packages installed.
[20:43] <tgm4883> TBotNik: and it's in the live environment, or the boot menu when you launch the live cd?
[20:43] <royg59> n00b question: How do I go about adding a simple "print as booklet" feature to evince?
[20:43] <royg59> Currently, the only way to do it is this tedious thing that could easily be scripted -- (https://help.gnome.org/users/evince/stable/duplex-npage.html.en)...
[20:43] <royg59> So I want to script it, and incorporate it directly into the standard print menu...
[20:43] <royg59> I've downloaded the evince source package, but I have no idea where the print menu and the print features are...
[20:43] <royg59> Can someone hold my hand, and walk me through the process?...
[20:43] <TBotNik> blimpOS: Depends on the audience!!
[20:43] <tgm4883> TBotNik: ah, I think I know what you're talking about
[20:43] <k1l_> !ot | blimpOS
[20:43] <blimpOS> TBotNik: technology entreupreuneruship
[20:44] <Jordan_U> TBotNik: The recovery mode boot option in grub never did what you're explaining, and it's still there. You can select it through the "Advanced options for Ubuntu" submenu at the grub main menu.
[20:44] <TBotNik> tgm4883: Was in both for me!!  Could always recover either way!
[20:44] <royg59> sorry about flooding. i accidentally into the wrong channel
[20:44] <blimpOS> so better ti be technica lright?
[20:44] <savino_> drone need hard works this day see i /Giggles
[20:45] <TBotNik> tgm4883: There is a recover or debug mode in the Grub boot after install, but not the full set, so does not fix any broken packages.
[20:51] <TBotNik> Jordan_U: You were telling me about a "re-install" option! Please continue!
[20:52] <Jordan_U> TBotNik: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuReinstallation
[20:55] <TBotNik> Jordan_U: Example is my laptop here!  Has Apache issues within LAMP, so all web pages at root level do not work and none of the aliases! Does not synce anything to Dropbox
[20:58] <phy1729> Is it possible to give debconf answers from the command line (apt-get invocation)?
[21:00] <TBotNik> Jordan_U: The link you sent, the write up has major holes!  EX: Run the Ubuntu installer, repeated twice and does not at all tell what this is!  Is this the Live DVD, or if this is cmd line, should give the command.  If application within the launcher, needs explaination of where or pix of it!
[21:00] <royg59> how do I modify the global print dialog? I wan to add a "print as booklet" feature to the Page Setup tab
[21:01] <Jordan_U> TBotNik: These instructions apply to the graphical installer (there is only one graphical installer), ubiquity.
[21:05] <TBotNik> Jordan_U: Calling ubiquity from cmd line?
[21:05] <aethersis> hi, is there a possibility that if I run a trojan or a virus inside of Wine, it will infect my operating system?
[21:06] <tgm4883> aethersis: yes
[21:06] <Jordan_U> TBotNik: Yes. Or just click the "install Ubuntu" icon on the Desktop of the Live environment.
[21:07] <MonkeyDust> aethersis  yu mean your ubuntu system?
[21:08]  * tgm4883 wonders why we're doing a reinstall instead of just fixing each piece
[21:08] <TBotNik> Jordan_U: Not on my machine, so installing with apt-get install ubiquity
[21:08] <Jordan_U> TBotNik: *NO*
[21:08] <TBotNik> What?
[21:09] <Jordan_U> TBotNik: You don't run Ubiquity while booted into your installed system. Ubiquity is on the LiveDVD install image. Boot from an Ubuntu LiveDVD/USB to re-install Ubuntu.
[21:10] <TBotNik> Jordan_U: but that just wants to reformat and install a new instance, not repair my current vesion, which is totally unacceptable.  The old recovery did not do that!
[21:10] <daniela> diego menotti
[21:11] <Zack263> do you guys know of an oldstyle theme for ubuntu that has the colors of QMODEM from the 1980s... blue background, yellows and grey texts?
[21:11] <k1l_> TBotNik: there is no "old recovery". you seem to mix things there.
[21:11] <Zack263> I like retro styling
[21:11] <Zack263> like bbses of old time
[21:12] <aethersis> MonkeyDust: I mean my ubuntu system
[21:12] <MonkeyDust> !theme | Zack263 start here
[21:13] <TBotNik> tgm4883: Have no idea of what to fix.  The old recovery installers autoided and fixed the broken packages, so fixing a broken install was easy.
[21:13] <MonkeyDust> aethersis  windows viruses do nothing on linux
[21:13] <Zack263> ok i'll give it a search
[21:13] <aethersis> but they can be run on wine lol
[21:14] <Zack263> they need to get paltalk to run on wine! :p
[21:14] <TBotNik> Guys gotta run, be back later!
[21:14] <tgm4883> aethersis: yes, windows viruses that you run in wine can affect your system
[21:14] <aethersis> oh no
[21:14] <Zack263> ekkk that dont sound so good
[21:15] <tgm4883> aethersis: wine isn't a sandbox
[21:15] <Jordan_U> MonkeyDust: aethersis: If you install spyware in wine that searches for credit card numbers and other sensitive files, it is quite likely that it will find such files even if they're outside of the fake "Drive C:" wine creates.
[21:15] <aethersis> :O
[21:15] <tgm4883> aethersis: what did you do....
[21:16] <aethersis> nothing, it's a purely hypothetical question
[21:16] <aethersis> but if I uninstall wine, then it will kill the viruses righ? :T
[21:16] <MonkeyDust> aethersis  what are you worried about?
[21:16] <aboudreault> should I get a coredump when the  OOM killer kills a process? I assume so with oom_dump_tasks set to 1?
[21:17] <tgm4883> aethersis: this feels like homework...
[21:17] <aethersis> homework? no lol
[21:17] <aethersis> I'm worried that if I install crack for Age of Empires II, it will infect my ubuntu
[21:18] <tgm4883> aethersis: simple, don't install a cracked version of AoE 2
[21:18] <polishpoliceforc> anyone way to use gucview to make changes to a webcam permanent?
[21:18] <MonkeyDust> aethersis  illegal actions are not supported here
[21:18] <aethersis> I cannot install not cracked version of AoE2 because I don't have an optical drive
[21:18] <aethersis> I have original version of AoE2 on CD though
[21:18] <tgm4883> aethersis: so get one?
[21:18] <aethersis> so what I am doing is perfectly legal
[21:19] <tgm4883> no, no it is not
[21:19] <aethersis> it is
[21:19] <aethersis> in my country
[21:19] <k1l_> !wine | aethersis ask the wine specialists
[21:19] <tgm4883> aethersis: lets say that is it perfectly legal in your country, those shady activities are not supported here
[21:19] <aethersis> I already did
[21:20] <aethersis> they said it can be infected
[21:20] <aethersis> I mean that it can infect my OS
[21:20] <quants> Hi guys, I cant download from the download links on this website. any advice??  http://www.cyberage.cx/index.php?page=archives
[21:20] <pankid> I keep getting flagged as not PCI compliant for CVE-2014-8109 on Ubuntu 14.04. It is pertaining to mod_lua, which as far as I can tell does not ship with apache2 on ubuntu 14.04. I feel like this pci scanner is being dumb and just flagging it based on the apache2 version.
[21:20] <brainwash_> !warez
[21:20] <acz32> aethersis: you have asked the same question in at least 3 different channels now. are we done yet?
[21:20] <aethersis> yes
[21:20] <tgm4883> aethersis: just go buy a CD drive
[21:20] <aethersis> thank you
[21:20] <aethersis> no, I don't need one
[21:21] <tgm4883> aethersis: apparently you do
[21:21] <aethersis> and it makes noise. My PC is perfectly quiet
[21:21] <Seveas> pankid: if mod lua is not installed, or not enabled, show your PCI auditor evidence of that and you should pass.
[21:22] <aethersis> I disassembled 5 optical drives trying to get laser diodes out of them and only a very old one had a laser diode that could be refurbished :p
[21:22] <MonkeyDust> aethersis  what was your initial question? stick to support questions
[21:22] <Seveas> pankid: and in general pci scanners are extremely dumb.