[00:24] <ace_suares1> LaserJock: oh oh
[00:24] <ace_suares1> so the build failed ?
[00:44] <Ahmuck> LaserJock: seen the e-mail ?
[00:44] <Ahmuck> http://schooltool.org/
[00:45] <Ahmuck> people want edu software admin/classroom side
[00:45] <Ahmuck> LaserJock: :-o , to large to fit on a DVD?!
[00:45]  * Ahmuck wondered about that myself
[01:36] <Ahmuck_> LaserJock: you have any MOTU on board edubuntu that can do packaging for edubuntu?
[01:42] <Ahmuck-Sr> http://ichi2.net/anki/ - has a *.deb but would be nice to have it included.  not sure if the deb is MOTU approved
[02:30] <LaserJock> ace_suares1: the build succeeded but the .iso is to big to burn
[02:31] <LaserJock> ace_suares1: you can use it in a VM though
[02:31] <ace_suares1> cool i'll try yesterday zsync segfaulted!
[02:31] <LaserJock> Ahmuck-Sr: stgraber and myself are the only MOTU/Core Devs for Edubuntu
[02:31] <LaserJock> Ahmuck-Sr: we've wanted to return schooltool to Edubuntu for a long time
[02:32] <Ahmuck-Sr> ubuntu won't lend you a MOTU or two?
[02:32] <Ahmuck-Sr> so ur a certified MOTU ?
[02:33] <Ahmuck-Sr> LaserJock: ur certifiable?
[02:35] <LaserJock> Ahmuck-Sr: heh, I've been a MOTU since 2005
[02:36] <LaserJock> Ahmuck-Sr: Ubuntu doesn't "own" MOTU so they can't lend them to us
[02:36] <LaserJock> MOTU are free to work on any package in Universe
[02:37] <LaserJock> and Core Devs are free to work (within reason) on any package in Main
[02:38] <Ahmuck-Sr> so i take it your mentoring MOTUs now?
[02:38] <LaserJock> well, I used to
[02:39] <LaserJock> I wrote the Ubuntu Packaging Guide long ago and did a lot of work to try to set up stuff for people to learn to become MOTUs
[02:39] <LaserJock> but Edubuntu and my PhD kind of ended that work
[02:40] <LaserJock> the problem is it takes roughly 6-12 months to "produce" a MOTU
[02:41] <LaserJock> so it's a huge investment with little initial gain
[02:42] <LaserJock> if we can get some existing developers to spend time in Edubuntu land we can get work done while investing in the future developer community
[02:43] <LaserJock> but organizing existing developers takes a manager with time to devote to coordinating everything
[02:44] <Ahmuck-Sr> why does it take 6-12 months to produce MOTU?
[02:44] <Ahmuck-Sr> MOTU is just packaging, correct?
[02:45] <Ahmuck-Sr> not any chance of creating a packaging tool ?
[02:46] <LaserJock> packaging is quite complicated
[02:46] <LaserJock> especially in Debian-based systems
[02:46] <Ahmuck-Sr> i use checkinstall for my personal system
[02:46] <Ahmuck-Sr> it works well
[02:46] <Ahmuck-Sr> so that's why i wondered about MOTU
[02:46] <LaserJock> I mean, it takes ~ 1000 Debian packagers + ~150 Ubuntu packagers to get Ubuntu out
[02:47] <LaserJock> well, checkinstall is *very* rudimentary
[02:47] <LaserJock> it doesn't actually build a source package
[02:47] <LaserJock> it just fakes a .deb
[02:47] <LaserJock> which often can work for single add-on packages
[02:47] <LaserJock> but would be a nightmare for building a distro on
[02:48] <Ahmuck-Sr> so most DVDs are at least 8G
[02:49] <Ahmuck-Sr> and the current is 4G
[02:49] <Ahmuck-Sr> so it's ok?
[02:49] <LaserJock> no
[02:49] <LaserJock> 4.2GB is the limit
[02:49] <LaserJock> we're at 4.5
[02:49] <Ahmuck-Sr> ah
[02:49] <LaserJock> and we *should* be < 2GB IMO
[02:49] <Ahmuck-Sr> so ur back to two dvd's
[02:49] <LaserJock> the problem is that we're doing everything twice
[02:49] <Ahmuck-Sr> ??
[02:50] <LaserJock> there are two parts to a DVD
[02:50] <LaserJock> the Live session
[02:50] <LaserJock> and the debian-installer .deb pool
[02:50] <LaserJock> so you can either do a graphical or text-based installation
[02:50] <LaserJock> they way our DVD is set up now, everything is in both
[02:51] <LaserJock> *and* there's way more in the text-based side than we need
[02:52] <LaserJock> like basically we have Ubuntu Server CD + Ubuntu Alternate CD + Ubuntu Desktop CD + Edubuntu Addon CD
[02:52] <Ahmuck-Sr> understandable
[02:52] <LaserJock> plus all the language packs
[02:57]  * Ahmuck-Sr is trying really hard not to get sucked into full edubuntu participation
[02:57] <pleia2> Ahmuck-Sr: why? you should :)
[02:57] <Ahmuck-Sr> hi pleia2
[02:58] <pleia2> hey
[02:58] <Ahmuck-Sr> well, it would mean commiting a big chunk of my time to study
[02:58] <Ahmuck-Sr> just to get from point a to b
[02:58] <Ahmuck-Sr> and i'd have to dust off my C++ books, and then learn python, etc.
[02:59] <LaserJock> you wouldn't need to learn much of that to begin with
[02:59] <LaserJock> when I started all I knew was ./configure && make && make install
[02:59] <Ahmuck-Sr> well, that's fairly simple
[02:59] <Ahmuck-Sr> i can read and udnerstand it to some degree, but can't write worth anything
[02:59] <LaserJock> a lot of what we need are people to work *in* the bug tracker, not necessarily on the bugs themselves
[03:00] <LaserJock> yeah, reading and understanding is good
[03:00] <LaserJock> I rarely write patches myself
[03:00] <LaserJock> we mostly need to communicate with Debian and upstreams about bugs
[03:00] <LaserJock> find the bugs that are just packaging issues, fix those, and forward the rest on
[03:03] <Ahmuck-Sr> i've worked with bug trackers before, however you need to assign bugs and if there is noone to assign to ...
[03:04] <LaserJock> right
[03:04] <LaserJock> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~edubuntu-bugs/+packagebugs is where our bug list is
[03:04] <LaserJock> 291 open and 264 not assigned
[03:05] <Ahmuck-Sr> the other issue, for example the atomix bug, posted on 20090130
[03:05] <Ahmuck-Sr> no response.  could be tested easy enough in 8.10, then i would close it if it worked properly
[03:06] <LaserJock> right
[03:06] <Ahmuck-Sr> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/atomix/+bug/323195 - this is the url for edubuntu bugs in the topic
[03:06] <Ahmuck-Sr> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~edubuntu-bugs/+packagebugs
[03:06] <Ahmuck-Sr> er, this one
[03:06] <Ahmuck-Sr> not sure what the "edge" is
[03:07] <LaserJock> oh, it's the same thing
[03:08] <Ahmuck-Sr> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/denemo/+bug/69829 - this one should be filed with denemo and then closed
[03:09] <Ahmuck-Sr> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/denemo/+bug/248354 - this one is a packaging request
[03:10] <Ahmuck-Sr> so what is the expiry date for a bug that is incomplete?  3 months, 6 months, ?
[03:11] <Ahmuck-Sr> wrote on 2008-09-30:
[03:12] <Ahmuck-Sr> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/edubuntu-addon-meta/+bug/284502 - this one should be closed imho.  i suspect the poster has already corrected it.
[03:13] <LaserJock> Ahmuck-Sr: I gotta run for a bit
[03:13] <Ahmuck-Sr> np
[03:14] <Ahmuck-Sr> i'm building a some beta debs for my system
[03:14] <LaserJock> either ask in #ubuntu-bugs (great place to ask these sorts of questions) or I'll answer when I get back
[04:15] <zerothis> I have a weird thing to do. boot without my internal HD plugged in, them mount it. possible?
[04:32] <Ahmuck-Sr> zerothis: in ltsp ?
[04:32] <Ahmuck-Sr> er, edubuntu
[04:34] <zerothis> In terminal, I presume.   I booted without the HD plugged in. Then plugged it in (then was told this is bad:(  Is there a way to reset/refresh the PCI bus to trigger the recognition internal hard drive. or is this like nuking a gnat, since I only need the hard drive active?
[20:45] <LaserJock> highvoltage: around?
[20:47] <LaserJock> anybody out there testing the DVD?
[20:49] <highvoltage> LaserJock: yes I'm here
[20:49] <LaserJock> phew
[20:49] <highvoltage> LaserJock: I've been testing the i386 DVD, busy syncing amd64
[20:49] <highvoltage> LaserJock: rsync says 10 hours remaining, but I think it will come down quite fast
[20:49] <LaserJock> highvoltage: ok, can you head over to http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/edubuntu/all and put your info in?
[20:50] <LaserJock> highvoltage: are you rsyncing from i386?
[20:50] <highvoltage> LaserJock: the education stuff and edubuntut themes are on the live dvd and installs well
[20:50] <highvoltage> LaserJock: I just ran each program to see that they open fine and they do
[20:50] <LaserJock> highvoltage: we have about 1 hr before the announcements go out
[20:50] <highvoltage> LaserJock: obviously there's no time for decent in-depth testing, but we knew from the start that this was going to be roughly a tight release
[20:51] <LaserJock> highvoltage: for Alpha6 we just need to not have show-stoppers
[20:51] <highvoltage> LaserJock: yes I am, I copied the i386 and syncing
[20:51] <highvoltage> LaserJock: ok
[20:51] <highvoltage> LaserJock: actually, i386 is looking pretty damn good
[20:52] <LaserJock> it might take quite a while to sync from i386
[20:52] <highvoltage> LaserJock: there's no usplash on bootup, and there are some ugly error messages that are exposed but they seem benign, we might be able to fix that before release
[20:52] <highvoltage> LaserJock: some screenshots: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jonathan/files/screenshots/edubuntu/karmic-testing/i386/
[20:52] <LaserJock> I saw them
[20:52] <LaserJock> highvoltage: no usplash or Ubuntu usplash?
[20:52] <stgraber> heya highvoltage and LaserJock
[20:53] <stgraber> usplash is broken on my regular Ubuntu too
[20:53] <stgraber> so probably not edubuntu specific
[20:53] <LaserJock> well
[20:53] <LaserJock> I thought they removed usplash
[20:53] <LaserJock> the idea was to only show usplash for very long boot times
[20:54] <LaserJock> otherwise we're supposed to have short enough boot times that it's not needed
[20:55] <highvoltage> LaserJock: I get an ubuntu themed usplash on shutdown, but just text on startup
[20:55] <highvoltage> heya stgraber
[20:55] <highvoltage> stgraber: ah, good
[20:55] <LaserJock> yeah, I think it might be intentional
[20:55] <highvoltage> at least there's not showstoppers for the i386 so far... so...
[20:56] <highvoltage> \o/
[20:57] <LaserJock> highvoltage: so go tell the ISO tracker :-)
[20:57] <highvoltage> LaserJock: the "Passed with no bugs" button
[20:58] <highvoltage> LaserJock: what bugs are they talking about?
[20:58] <LaserJock> well
[20:58] <LaserJock> technically if you find bugs you're supposed to report them
[20:58] <LaserJock> for now I think passed with no bugs should work as we hav eyour email
[20:58] <highvoltage> LaserJock: i386 is marked. obviously it's not completely bug free :)
[20:59] <highvoltage> LaserJock: ok.
[21:00] <highvoltage> karmic-dvd-amd64.iso 969693277  28%  167.01kB/s    4:02:12
[21:00] <highvoltage> I might even stay up for amd64
[21:00] <highvoltage> but I'm not sure if I'll have it in time
[21:00] <highvoltage> (if cut-off time is indeed in an hour)
[21:00] <stgraber> highvoltage: that's usually RC bugs, we won't add all of Ubuntu's bugs there
[21:00] <stgraber> that's basically bugs during the installation process or caused by it
[21:01] <stgraber> I have some work to do on that website for a long long time but for some reason the code has become so ugly that I always find something else to do ;)
[21:02] <LaserJock> anybody else have the amd64 .iso?
[21:02]  * stgraber doesn't
[21:03] <LaserJock> I have one at home but that doesn't help us now :(
[21:05] <highvoltage> stgraber: cool, then for all intents and purposes we have 0 rc bugs for i386
[21:06] <highvoltage> stgraber: don't you have like, super-fast 200mbit insternet or soemthing? :)
[21:09] <LaserJock> well, I gotta get back to work
[21:10] <LaserJock> but if anybody drops by with amd64 testing issue in the next hour please send them to the ISO tracker
[21:18] <highvoltage> 32%
[21:32] <highvoltage> hi Michelle_Qimo
[21:34] <highvoltage> 35%
[21:46] <highvoltage> 40%, seems like amd64 won't be here in time :/
[22:11] <Ahmuck_Sr> any idea if 64 would run in a vm ontop of a 32 bit os ?
[23:53] <LaserJock> so we got 1 .iso out for alpha 6 anyway, \o/