[04:21] <NCommander> ogra_: I don't think anyone has tried using the highbank QEMU; I personally haven't
[09:34] <janimo> marvin24, when porting to the latest android branch usb changes you also changed some timing constants. Are those bugfixes? Where do you get those numbers from?
[10:26] <marvin24> janimo: just guessed
[10:27] <marvin24> I saw no differences with different timings
[10:27] <janimo> :)
[10:27] <marvin24> they are copied from ventana
[10:27] <marvin24> in fact, I think this depends on the board layout
[10:27] <janimo> any luck yesterday with the crashers or do you think it's only an ABI 12 issue?
[10:27] <marvin24> but I failed to get all the numbers from the original source
[10:27] <marvin24> janimo: do crash here
[10:28] <marvin24> *no
[10:28] <marvin24> could also be the xserver itself
[10:28] <janimo> ok, could be a quantal thing then
[10:28] <marvin24> yes
[10:28] <marvin24> or driver
[10:28] <marvin24> I think some user made a backtrace
[10:28] <marvin24> but only showed me the function where it crashed
[10:29] <marvin24> some *composite in tegra_drv.so
[10:29] <janimo> sigh. Well I may reproduce it and then forward to nvidia/tegra
[10:29] <janimo> not sure how their bugreporting works
[10:30] <marvin24> forums are still down
[10:30] <marvin24> but I doubt they will test quantal
[10:30] <marvin24> I think 11.04 is their reference
[10:30] <marvin24> I wonder how they test the different abi's
[10:31] <janimo> maybe they just rebuild against new X but not necessarily test
[10:31] <janimo> I'll reinstall precise and see if that indeed fixes things
[10:31] <marvin24> janimo: maybe it would be better to try abi on quantal
[10:31] <marvin24> err, abi 11 on quantal
[10:32] <marvin24> e.g. rebuild precise xserver on quantal
[10:53] <janrinze> anyone here know about L4T by nVidia?
[10:53] <janrinze> is it possible to use that on the tf700?
[10:59] <lilstevie> janrinze, barely out of the box
[11:00] <janrinze> lilstevie: i am considering buying the tf700t but i want to be sure i can run Ubuntu like i do on the tf101
[11:00] <janrinze> specially since it costs quite a bit of money
[11:01] <janrinze> lilstevie: which kernel do you use on your tf200?
[11:05] <janrinze> lilstevie: apparently asus has released kernel sources for the tf700 just now
[11:13] <janimo> marvin24, yes, but I thinkg downgrading or rebuilding X is more hassle than reinstalling precise :(
[11:13] <janimo> I want to try L4T and the new kernel mostly
[11:13] <marvin24> janimo: that's what I do here already
[11:13] <janimo> although  I think I should have both a precise and a quantal rootfs and boot one from external SDcard
[11:15] <marvin24> janimo: I think if we can get a good backtrace, I think nvidia has better chances to help
[11:20] <janimo> if I see all is fine on my ac100 in precise with the 3.1 kernel deb I have and L4T I will upgrade X or to quantal
[11:20] <janimo> so I will try finding the backrace
[11:21] <janimo> but at the moment I wanted to see if L4T works well
[16:07] <ogra_> ppisati, i just changed the way the omap/omap4 images boot, if you want to change cdmline now, just edit preEnv.txt on the vfat partition (no more mkimage crap needed)
[16:08] <ogra_> (thats only for the images, not the installed system yet, this i will switch over next week)
[16:31] <ppisati> ogra_: when i've time i'll give it a look
[17:01] <rsalveti> ogra_: cool :-)
[19:09] <Inoperable> howdy
[19:10] <Inoperable> i runned into a problem with the usb gadget in kernel 3.1.10
[19:12] <Inoperable> drivers/usb/gadget/ether.c: In function 'rndis_do_config':
[19:51] <ogra_> Inoperable, file a bug please
[19:52] <ogra_> (against the package you are using)
[19:53] <Inoperable> ok
[21:38] <prpplague> just fyi, tomorrow is the last day of Call for Participation for the Embedded Linux Conference Europe - proposals need to be submitted by midnight PST tomorrow....


[17:06] <tumi> soto, although my root filesystem is not an lvm logical volume
[17:06] <danag1> it seems to be more of a dhcp problem. does kernel -12 break the dhcp?
[17:07] <crimsun> danag1: lsmod|awk '/^ssb/'
[17:08] <danag1> crimsun: wow, that is somewhat cryptic
[17:08] <danag1> is that a command?
[17:08] <jetsaredim> any reason that my gnome panel seems to have disappeared?
[17:08] <crimsun> danag1: yes, it's a command.
[17:08] <danag1> alright i'll bash it
[17:08] <jetsaredim> I just installed alpha6 and did all of the updates, logout/login and poof no panel
[17:09] <danag1> i ran it as sudo
[17:09] <danag1> and it didnt output anything
[17:09] <crimsun> danag1: no need for sudo, but ok.
[17:10] <danag1> ok, let me check it our real quick
[17:20] <spiderfire> the flash has to do with the initializing of the plugin. Its like you have to have 1 flash vid already loaded for other ones to load instantly
[17:21] <danage> crimsun: thanks, but no workie
[17:21] <danage> what is it supposed to fix?
[17:22] <soto> tumi: Thanks for the info.
[17:24] <spiderfire> anyone have like youtube videos take 10 seconds to load?
[17:25] <danage> anybody know how to get networking working on -12?
[17:26] <user5> I'm in k -12 going good
[17:26] <user5> wath problem?
[17:26] <danage> no dhcp or no atheros hal, i am not sure
[17:26] <danage> the wireless seems to be up and iwconfig says associated
[17:26] <danage> but i get no ip with dhclient
[17:28] <sudobash> man iwconfig
[17:28] <user5> ip for dns are ok?
[17:29] <danage> dns? i get no ip by dhcp server thus no ip for dns by dhcp server
[17:29] <danage> sudobash: ?
[17:29] <sudobash> restart machine
[17:29] <sudobash> and make sure the wireless is set to DHCP
[17:29] <nemo> interesting. Tales of Pirates works under wine now
[17:29] <danage> i did
[17:29] <nemo> I'll have to tell my little brother
[17:29] <nemo> he was really into that
[17:29] <nemo> (he destroyed the windows install that was on his machine less than a week after I gave it to him with some crap off a warez site)
[17:29] <nemo> ... he never was able to figure out the downloading of the nvidia network/sound/graphics drivers that was necessary.  Only thing he could figure out to install was ubuntu :)
[17:30] <sudobash> router or access pint
[17:30] <sudobash> point
[17:30] <danage> i use network manager
[17:30] <danage> it is set to dhcp
[17:30] <danage> i changed nothing in the config between -11 and -12
[17:31] <sudobash> iwconfig eth0 ap any
[17:31] <sudobash> where eth0 is your NIC
[17:32] <danage> ap address = ESSID?
[17:32] <sudobash> MAC address
[17:32] <danage> wtf
[17:32] <sudobash> just use any
[17:33] <sudobash> iwconfig eth0 ap 00:60:1D:01:23:45
[17:33] <sudobash> or iwconfig eth0 ap any
[17:33] <danage> ok
[17:33] <danage> done.
[17:33] <sudobash> iwconfig eth0 mode auto
[17:34] <sudobash> iwconfig eth0 essid "My Network"
[17:35] <danage> access point invalid
[17:35] <danage> ah, now
[17:35] <sudobash> replace "My Network" with your ESSID
[17:35] <danage> interesting... does not associate
[17:35] <sudobash> iwconfig eth0 channel auto
[17:36] <danage> invalid argument
[17:36] <sudobash> maybe you need to run sudo apt-get update  and sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:36] <sudobash> all that stuff i said came out of "man iwconfig"
[17:38] <danage> sudobash: i appreciate your help
[17:38] <danage> sudobash: it is associated now
[17:39] <sudobash> cool
[17:39] <danage> dhclient -----> doesnt get address
[17:40] <sudobash> it doesnt get IP?
[17:41] <danage> no
[17:41] <danage> No DHCPOFFERS received.
[17:41] <danage> it worked on -11
[17:41] <danage> eth0 works, by the way. just ath0
[17:44] <danage> crimsun: could you help me?
[17:45] <nemo> danage: hey. this is perhaps totally unhelpful, but have you tried wifi-radar?
[17:45] <skroops> I'm trying to install via pxeboot and it's stuck at 6% of the ubuntu-desktop install
[17:45] <nemo> danage: sounds like your issues are lower level, but anyway, that's what I use with my mad-wifi/atheros
[17:46] <danage> nemo: thanks. i use network manager. it all worked until i did the distro-upgrade, there must be something in the update that broke it
[17:46] <savvas> danage: apt-cache policy network-manager | grep Installed
[17:47] <danage> Installed: 0.6.6-0ubuntu1
[17:47] <nemo> danage: ah. that has happened to me with madwifi
[17:47] <nemo> not getting updated when kernel does...
[17:48] <danage> hmm
[17:48] <danage> it should come through with update-manager?
[17:48] <nemo> theoretically :)
[17:49] <savvas> um.. danage nevertheless, you should try and play around with wifi-radar
[17:49] <danage> savvas: might do, might do
[17:50] <danage> crimsun seemed to have a fix earlier, that didn't work, but he might know
[17:52] <nemo> say. um. does anyone know if vbox 1.5.6 might make it in before the freeze?
[17:52] <nemo> I was browsing the package page, but wasn't clear who I should ask about that
[17:52] <nemo> it'd be really helpful - 1.5.4 has some annoying crashes
[17:52] <DanaG> Aargh, rsvg-convert just randomly started devouring 70% of my memory, including swap.
[17:53] <nemo> randomly :)
[17:53] <DanaG> ....So I had to alt-sysrq-k to kill Xorg, and then use htop to kill rsvg-convert.
[17:53] <nemo> yeep
[17:53] <DanaG> Then when I went to log in again, I got a kernel panic.
[17:54] <nemo> how about when logging in with older kernel? :-/
[17:56] <savvas> hm.. there's a weird AlphaBravoCharlie wifi nearby.. I wonder what it is :P
[17:56] <tumi> how are people playing video files in hardy? Xv does'nt work for me unless I disable compiz, but I really want to unless necessary
[17:57] <danage> tumi: are you on radeon?
[17:57] <tumi> ye
[17:57] <tumi> +s
[17:57] <danage> there is a fix
[17:57] <danage> it doesnt work for me
[17:57] <danage> but you can try
[17:57] <danage> are you on 16bpp or 24bpp
[17:57] <nemo> tumi: mplayer lets you pick between like a dozen video outs and you can't find one that works? :)
[17:58] <nemo> not even opengl? :)
[17:58] <jimmygoon> does anyone have firefox3 b4 w/ java working?
[17:58] <nemo> yes
[17:58] <nemo> jimmygoon: they still haven't fixed that plugin thing? :-/
[17:58] <savvas> not me
[17:58] <jimmygoon> gr, firefox won't recognize the fact that the java plugin is installed :(
[17:58] <nemo> jimmygoon: I said !@#$ it and symlinked the dozen Gecko plugin dirs all together
[17:58] <danage> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/150519
[17:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150519 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "radeon driver can not do xv with AIGLX enabled" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[17:58] <savvas> they have a plugin, but it doesn't work on most sites
[17:58] <nemo> friggen ubuntu :)
[17:58] <jimmygoon> I really really need it
[17:59] <jimmygoon> nemo haha
[17:59] <nemo> savvas: wasn't your problem on 64bit or something?
[17:59] <savvas> yep
[17:59] <tumi> nemo, I'm really looking for a compizimagesink in gstreamer
[17:59] <jimmygoon> what do you mean it doesn't work on most sites?
[17:59] <J-_> are the newest updates safe to install?
[17:59] <jimmygoon> the official sun java 6 plugin :S
[17:59] <nemo> jimmygoon: ok. either you are on 64bit (in which case savvas prob)
[17:59] <savvas> nemo: i'm really thinking about going over to 32bit
[18:00] <jimmygoon> nemo, I'm not on 64bit. plain ole 32 bit
[18:00] <nemo> jimmygoon: or you have my prob from a couple of weeks ago where I discovered there are waaaay too many gecko plugin dirs
[18:00] <nemo> jimmygoon: odds are you have my prob :)
[18:00] <danage> tumi: i think this fix aint work for gstramer
[18:00] <danage> but read the bug report
[18:00] <danage> are you on 16bpp or 24bpp
[18:00] <nemo> jimmygoon: go to about:plugins  - note down the plugins that *did* install.  find out which of the dozen gecko dirs that is, and symlink the java6 sun plugin to the right dir :(
[18:00] <jimmygoon> nemo, I'm just trying to recall the correct plugin dir for firefox on linux
[18:00] <nemo> jimmygoon: is insane under ubuntu
[18:01] <nemo> jimmygoon: ls -ld /usr/lib/*/plugins   <- :)
[18:01] <nemo> jimmygoon: and yes those aren't *all* gecko
[18:01] <jimmygoon> oh god
[18:01] <jimmygoon> /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins$ ls
[18:01] <jimmygoon> flashplugin-alternative.so  libgcjwebplugin.so  libjavaplugin.so
[18:01] <jimmygoon> its there!!! :(
[18:01] <nemo> jimmygoon: yeah. I just symlinked 'em all together
[18:01] <wastrel> hi
[18:01] <nemo> firefox-addons, iceweasel, iceape...
[18:02] <nemo> jimmygoon: until some dev can give me a good reason for why they are broken up by default...
[18:02] <jimmygoon> nemo, well I don't want to hurt my system for later
[18:02] <nemo> yeah. that bugged me too, but no one would get back to me on it :-/
[18:03] <jimmygoon> I'm really contemplating just booting windows ;( (yes, I know its alpha)
[18:03] <nemo> jimmygoon: you could always save the ls prior to symlinking :)
[18:03]  * nemo doesn't have a Windows to boot
[18:03] <nemo> well, except from inside VirtualBox
[18:03] <nemo> or wine
[18:03] <jimmygoon> It appears that /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox is ONLY created by webgcjplugin not by the official sun plugin
[18:03] <nemo> whee
[18:03] <nemo> bug time? :)
[18:03] <jimmygoon> nemo, I do but its speed testing I'm doing so I don't want to run it through a vm
[18:04] <jimmygoon> I can't file it now, I have to figure out this speed problem before they call me on it
[18:04] <Lynoure> Where could I find the current Kubuntu end-user upgrade instructions from 7.10 to Hardy?
[18:04] <Lynoure> I would love to test the upgrade now that there is still time.
[18:04] <nemo> jimmygoon: ah. for dev, at work, I use synergy2 and a seperate windows box as guest
[18:05] <danage> Lynoure: i would wait until release
[18:05] <jimmygoon> dear god... /usr/lib$ ls | grep firefox
[18:05] <jimmygoon> firefox
[18:05] <jimmygoon> firefox-3.0b4
[18:05] <jimmygoon> firefox-addons
[18:05] <jimmygoon> firefox-plugins
[18:05] <Lynoure> danage: I'm not an enduser...
[18:05] <jimmygoon> what in christ's name...
[18:05] <Lynoure> danage: and last time I tested them in late beta, they did not work. So better sooner this time
[18:05] <danage> ah
[18:05] <danage> :)
[18:05] <nemo> jimmygoon: um. try that ls -ld /usr/lib/*/plugins  :)  there are more than just those
[18:06] <Lynoure> danage: seems most devs do a fresh install or cli upgrade, and thus the final way gets less testing than one could hope
[18:06] <jimmygoon> how do i use find to find libflashplayer.so that would give me a starting point
[18:06] <nemo> find /usr/lib -name libflashplayer.so
[18:06] <nemo> find /usr/lib -name libflashplayer.so -ls
[18:06] <nemo> or locate I suppose
[18:06] <nemo> depending on when you updated the locate cache and when you installed flash :)
[18:07] <jimmygoon> er, it only has one instance and it isn't even in a firefox plugin area
[18:07] <jimmygoon> would that find sym/hard links as well?
[18:07] <nemo> sure
[18:07] <nemo> oh.
[18:07] <jimmygoon> it must be in the firefox config to load from  /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so here then.... since that is the only appearance of that file
[18:07] <nemo> maybe they rename it when symlinking
[18:07] <nemo> wouldn't shock me
[18:07] <wastrel> is dvd playing working in hardy?
[18:07] <wastrel> or is it just this disk i'm having trouble with?
[18:08] <nemo> jimmygoon: ls -l /etc/alternatives/*flash*
[18:08] <nemo> *sigh*
[18:08] <nemo> ok. I'm sure they have a good reason for this
[18:08] <nemo> but seriously
[18:08] <jimmygoon> nemo, yep. you're right and seriously is the exact sentiment :P
[18:08] <nemo> how many of us want to use a different flash for each Gecko product?
[18:08] <jimmygoon> haha
[18:09] <nemo> they should default to just one plugin dir with one symlink, and override as the user chooses or a package finds necessary
[18:09] <jimmygoon> so now what?
[18:09] <nemo> jimmygoon: find /usr/lib -name "*flashplugin*"
[18:09] <nemo> I guess, to see where all those /etc/alternatives go
[18:09] <jimmygoon> /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so
[18:10] <jimmygoon> BUT
[18:10] <jimmygoon> /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so
[18:10] <nemo> ...
[18:10] <jimmygoon> er, ls /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
[18:10] <jimmygoon> flashplugin-alternative.so  libjavaplugin.so
[18:10] <jimmygoon> so it should be being loaded!!
[18:10] <nemo> um. I guess.
[18:10] <nemo> so you have flash, but not java
[18:10] <flipstar> wastrel: no trouble with dvds here..
[18:10] <nemo> and you refreshed about:plugins
[18:10] <jimmygoon> er, maybe I should be dealing with icedtea and openjdk?
[18:11] <jimmygoon> nemo, er, by refreshed if you mean I closed firefox and reopened it
[18:11] <nemo> that works too :-p
[18:11] <nemo> jimmygoon: suppose you could launch ff from cli to see if there was an error on plugin load
[18:11] <nemo> reboot time. brb.
[18:11] <jimmygoon> so what is this: icedtea-java7-bin - Java runtime based on OpenJDK
[18:12] <bwlang> i have a method that returns an IList<Instrument>... i need to pass that collection to a method that expects  and IEnumerable<IXmlSerializable>... Instruments implement that IXmlSerializable interface.  I get a compiler error if i try to pass it directly... if i try to do a cast (IEnumerable<IXmlSerializable>)... i get a runtime erorr saying that it can't access a non-static member of the...
[18:12] <bwlang> ...outer type... the method is static.  Why doesn't this work?
[18:13] <jimmygoon> wrong room?
[18:13] <bwlang> doy
[18:13] <bwlang> whups
[18:13] <bwlang> i'll try that in the next tab over ;)
[18:15] <nemo> jimmygoon: aaand back
[18:15] <jimmygoon> nemo, icedtea fixed it
[18:15] <nemo> jimmygoon: you know sun opened java for 7 right?
[18:15] <nemo> good times
[18:15] <jimmygoon> it calls it the gcj java plugin though
[18:16] <nemo> ah. *shrug*
[18:16] <jimmygoon> In my recollection gcj was always arse-slow
[18:16] <nemo> well, maybe this is using the new sun code :)
[18:16] <jimmygoon> I hope so
[18:16] <jimmygoon> well, the package manager is icedtea-java7-jre etc but about:plugins says gcj so w/e .. my speed test works. thanks for the feedback, thoughts and help
[18:17] <jimmygoon> now I must disconnect to test :)
[18:21] <skroops> has anyone got hardy installed from netboot? is it possibe?
[18:21] <skroops> I keep getting hung up
[18:21] <flipstar> i installed via debootstrap
[18:22] <skroops> flipstar, i don't really know the difference
[18:23] <skroops> wait nvm it seems to have started going again
[18:27] <Lunks> cutey login screen ;x
[18:28]  * J-_ installs the Hardy updates, hopefully it doesn't bork
[18:30] <Lunks> J-_: it may. ;)
[18:30] <J-_> =(
[18:31] <Lunks> just updated my hardy setup, compiz broke
[18:31] <Lunks> =P
[18:31] <Lunks> not big deal, but a pain hehe
[18:32] <wastrel> compiz
[18:33] <Lunks> wastrel: 'makefusion' compiz, but still broke. :P
[18:33] <Lunks> downloading it again and compiling to see if it gets back. :)
[18:56] <lime4x4> hardy 64 bit all updates installed firefoxe very slow to load pages
[19:06] <jimmygoon> There is no codec for ogg vorbis by defautl :O :O not possible!!
[19:09] <jester7> that seems odd
[19:09] <sudobash> ##ubuntu-uncensored
[19:10] <jimmygoon> well I purge totem from my system... its the first thing I do...
[19:10] <jimmygoon> and I just installed vlc and its extension and the ogg sounds... jesus... my speakers are gonna explode
[19:11] <jimmygoon> the oggs sound fine in rhythmbox though
[19:11] <Pici> sudobash: ?
[19:11] <jimmygoon> hmm, maybe its time I gave ... no I can't use totem... I simply can't
[19:12] <lamalex> Does anyone know how to associate an icon with a filetype?
[19:12] <lamalex> .iso files don't have icons with tangerine icons
[19:13] <matjan> hmmm... my install is unable to make icons for avi files... is there a way to fix that
[19:13] <matjan> 6?
[19:13] <matjan> also... gnome panel keeps on segfaulting
[19:14] <tgelter> ok, cool. looks like to problems reported for today's updates
[19:14] <tgelter> (in topic)
[19:15] <Gumby> !wpa
[19:15] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[19:15] <tgelter> !802.11n
[19:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 802.11n - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:16] <emet_> Home of the  Hardy Heron?
[19:16] <emet_> can I get fries with that?
[19:16] <sudobash> so operators can you tell me why you watch those who are banned and log what they say?
[19:16] <lamalex> I don't think herons are legal to eat
[19:17] <Gumby> "WPA configuration is handled seamlessly by the "just works" WifiDocs/NetworkManager and should be installed with recent versions of Ubuntu."  <--- lol, except for the fact that networkmaanger doesnt even offer wpa in hardy it seems only wep
[19:17] <flipstar> sudobash: for misbehaving in general
[19:17] <lamalex> great blue one's aren't at least, and I'd imagine an orange heron is more rare than that
[19:18] <sudobash> well i take offense to that because i tend to help a lot of people on freenode and it kind of upsets me to think that you are monitoring everyone so intently...
[19:19] <flipstar> sudobash: see this bot 'ubuntulog' ? seems they log everything
[19:19] <Lynoure> sudobash: more suited for #ubuntu-ops, maybe?
[19:20] <sudobash> why pinpoint questions though?
[19:20] <stdin> sudobash: spamming is not helpful
[19:20] <Gumby> does anyone know why wpa isnt listed in network manager when you connect to a wifi network that has been found but when you setup a connection manually you can then choose wpa?
[19:21] <lamalex> Gumby: that's not my experience at all
[19:21] <Gumby> lamalex: its my experience here with a fresh install.  If I select one of the "Wireless Networks"  in the list I can only choose WEP or... I forget the other on (if I try to see it I will get knocked off of IRC)
[19:22] <Gumby> if I choose to "connect to other wireless network"  I then have the option of wpa
[19:22] <lamalex> Gumby: on mine when I connect, if it's a WPA network WPA is already selected
[19:22] <Gumby> lamalex: fresh install or upgrade from gutsy?
[19:23] <lamalex> Gumby: fresh as of alpha4
[19:23] <Gumby> hrm.
[19:23] <lamalex> but it's always done that for me since edgy
[19:23] <Gumby> hrm.
[19:24] <Gumby> I wonder if I add one wpa if it will then give me the option.
[19:24] <Gumby> bbiaf if I get knocked offline here
[19:34] <jimmygoon> my least favorite ubuntu feature: http://i31.tinypic.com/23iwjfk.jpg
[19:34] <Gumby`> well now, its tough to connect to a wpa encrypted network with wpa when its only a wep encrypted network  :D
[19:48] <Unksi> yea, imo it should expand another menu there instead of scrolling it, that is annoying
[19:49] <Unksi> dunno if that can be changed tho, but considering its gnome, i wouldnt be suprised if thats not possible
[19:52] <sudobash> ok so i dont have a case
[19:52] <sudobash> https://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/bans.cgi
[19:52] <sudobash> bantracker
[19:53] <jpatrick> sudobash: please /join #ubuntu-ops
[20:07] <donspaulding> is easy_install broken for everyone, or just me?
[20:09] <donspaulding> sudo apt-get --purge remove python-setuptools && sudo apt-get install python-setuptools
[20:10] <donspaulding> it removes and installs fine, then when I try to easy_install anything it complains of a VersionConflict
[20:11] <donspaulding> pkg_resources.VersionConflict: (setuptools 0.6a0 (/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/setuptools-0.6a0-py2.5.egg), Requirement.parse('setuptools==0.6c8'))
[20:21] <bbb> hi, everyone, i just install hardy alpha 6and i have a problem
[20:22] <vistakiller> what prob?
[20:23] <bbb> the netconfig tool doesn't work
[20:23] <bbb> i use ifconfig but when i reboot the config dissapear
[20:26] <bbb> and sudo doesn't work
[20:27] <IcemanV9> man, what's up with scrollkeeper-update?! it took over CPU to itself! sheesh!
[20:32] <pax``> !pulseaudio
[20:32] <ubotu> PulseAudio is a sound server intended as a drop-in replacement for !ESD - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio for information and installation instructions
[20:34] <soto> Can anyone troubleshoot this error on upgrade to Hardy (dist-upgrade): trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/testrb', which is also in package libtest-unit-ruby
[20:34] <soto> In package ruby_4.1_all.deb
[20:36] <bbb> sudo: unable to resolve host xxxx?
[20:42] <danage> my atheros wifi does not work on kernel -12, can anybody help? it associates with the ap, but gets no ip. could it be wpa-supplicant? i use network manager
[20:43] <jimmygoon> how does pulseaudio affect alsa?
[20:46] <IcemanV9> bbb: you're not connected to the Internet, aren't u?
[20:49] <_dan_> hello, nvidia driver seems to be not working with -12 kernel, modprobe reports error running install command for nvidia, is there a workaround available?
[20:51] <vistakiller> dan what card you have?
[20:53] <AncientRelic> I updated my laptop to Hardy from Gutsy, and just about everything works. However, the sound quality went to heck. Any ideas?
[20:53] <_dan_> vistakiller geforce 6
[20:53] <_dan_> GO version in laptop, works fine wiht -11 kernel
[20:54] <vistakiller> i dont know but i install them with envyng
[20:54] <vistakiller> the driver manager is not working correct in kubuntu
[20:54] <_dan_> yeah i wanted to avoid envy
[20:54] <_dan_> booting -11 kernel atm
[20:54] <vistakiller> me to dan but i cant do anything
[20:54] <_dan_> tried reinstalling restriced modules and nvidia-glx no effect
[20:55] <vistakiller> i have install restricted modules before update
[20:55] <vistakiller> and driver manager can see my card
[20:55] <vistakiller> after the update nothing again :P
[20:55] <_dan_> btw funny thing  your nick is vistakiller      vista killed my desktop pc lately due to faulty flsh of bios ;)
[20:55] <vistakiller> :)
[20:55] <anonymous111> Hi. I'm currently running Gutsy, and would like to try KDE4. I installed it manually, but didn't like the mixture of desktops (i.e. the menu still contained all the gnome configuration items and other gnome-related items). Is it possible  to install the development version of Kubuntu alongside my Gutsy installation (i.e. hardy's kubuntu-desktop package)? Do I just switch to Hardy's repos in my sources.list and install kubuntu-desktop?
[20:56] <vistakiller> i have and strange problem in kubuntu when i run compiz-fusion
[20:56] <vistakiller> some programmes looks confused
[20:56] <bbb> sudo doesn't work and i have to config the net in every reboot
[20:57] <vistakiller> take a look here
[20:57] <thegve> hello... I am following the rescue steps for the libc problem. It is mentioned that it is normal that there are 'some errors' . Is this one meant?   *** glibc detected *** dpkg: munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer: 0xb7e33ed0 ***
[20:57] <vistakiller> http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=adeptti9.png
[20:57] <thegve> Because I have the idea dpkg did not really do anything
[20:59] <AncientRelic> anyone have any idea how to fix sound issues?
[20:59] <thegve> Currently running the breezy live cd :) Nice to see the old breezy again :)
[21:00] <Lunks> Where does "Clock" gets its weather info?
[21:00] <Lunks> It looks inaccurate.
[21:02] <AncientRelic> you set the info yourself
[21:02] <AncientRelic> I just set mine to my hometown and its reasonably accurate
[21:04] <bbb> net config problem
[21:08] <thegve> I just extracted the deb file using dpkg -x and copied some files over to my hardy root, fingers crossed, brb hopefully :)
[21:09] <danage> my atheros wifi does not work on kernel -12, can anybody help? it associates with the ap, but gets no ip. could it be wpa-supplicant? i use network manager
[21:12] <lamalex> has anyone had a problem loading the livecd where X just continuously restarts?
[21:16] <julian_> hello
[21:17] <julian_> hey does any one know why hardy heron uses the kernel <IP_ADDRESS> instead of the new stable <IP_ADDRESS> kernel
[21:17] <lamalex> julian_: the -12 on the end is an ubuntu added extension
[21:17] <lamalex> it's the 12th version released for hardy
[21:18] <lamalex> everytime the kernel is updated in hardy that number gets bumped
[21:18] <julian_> ok i thought so because it was a - instead of a .
[21:18] <lamalex> right
[21:19] <julian_> ok so i cant really compare that to the generic ones out their i assume its probably the most up to date one out their
[21:19] <lamalex> -12 is the current kernel
[21:19] <julian_> well thanks i was curious abotthat lamex
[21:19] <julian_> *lamalex
[21:19] <lamalex> np
[21:21] <julian_> i was curious also i am doing computer science as a major and i have become very interested int he development of linux but just recently started using it and dont know much. but where can i learn more about it because eventually i want to work up to try to do some development.
[21:22] <julian_> when it comes down to doing development work for linux what kind of work are they looking for.  and what do i need to learn to do
[21:23] <pwnguin> step 1 in learning how to program linux: don't drop irc connections after 10 seconds
[21:23] <gag72> i have just installed hardy heron of the cd to hd: all went well on reboot i could not access the cdrom from witch i installled?
[21:24] <julian_> sorry i got disconnected
[21:24] <cwillu> wouldn't that be step 0?
[21:24] <pwnguin> probably
[21:25] <cwillu> (in learning to program linux)
[21:25] <pwnguin> only if you count from 0 like stupid c coders
[21:25] <cwillu> (for those who weren't here) :p
[21:25] <cwillu> pwnguin, I meant in the sense of prerequisite, not in the zero based counter
[21:25] <cwillu> but zero based counters are far more natural for most things, and don't you dare call me a c coder :p
[21:26] <julian_> hi so can any one explain to me what i need to learn about to become a developer for ubuntu? what kind of work can you do for ubuntu? i am new to linux but i am very interested. i am majoring in compsci so i know  a lot but i am just learning this
[21:27] <pwnguin> one time in an office, the electrical and mechanical engineers made perfectly fine coffee, but the software engineer's was always bitter
[21:27] <ethana2> julian_: what's your programming language of choice?
[21:27] <pwnguin> they confronted him about this. his defense? "i always follow the directions! it says add two cups. see? zero, one, two!"
[21:28] <cwillu> pwnguin:  http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/transcriptions/EWD08xx/EWD831.html
[21:28] <cwillu> be enlightened :p
[21:28] <julian_> right now i am working on java stuff but i like C++
[21:28] <ethana2> julian_: What's your desktop environment of choice?
[21:28] <ethana2> ...or do you prefer the CLI?
[21:28] <pwnguin> cwillu: i disagree with the premise that there are only 4 options
[21:29] <pwnguin> cwillu: how about "from x = 2 to 12 do"
[21:29] <julian_> ethana2: what do you mean desktop environment do you mean what os i use?  that is ubuntu
[21:29] <cwillu> how is that a different option?
[21:29] <cwillu> did you even read the first line? :p
[21:29] <ethana2> julian: that'd be gnome
[21:29] <julian_> oh yea
[21:29] <julian_> lol
[21:30] <ethana2> julian_: do you know how to use gtk and gnome libraries with C++?
[21:30] <cwillu> not instilling much confidence in your option julian_ :)
[21:30] <julian_> ethana2: well i also know c++ java, haskel, c,
[21:30] <soto> What does "No GRUB directory found" signify when trying to install the -12 kernel during an upgrade to Hardy?
[21:30] <ethana2> Julian_: fine, fine..  but have you combined any of them in practice with gtk and gnomelibs?
[21:31] <cwillu> julian_, the gtk libs are c libraries
[21:31] <julian_> cwillu, ethana2: i have never done any development in gnome yet.
[21:31] <ethana2> cwillu: they have bindings for everything though, right?
[21:31] <cwillu> glade a is prefererd manner of doing gui layouts though, there's support for it
[21:31] <pwnguin> julian_: what interests you? how a distribution is made? fixing bugs? writing entirely new applications?
[21:31] <julian_> ok so i can install that and use that t develope
[21:32] <cwillu> ethana2, everything in the world can use a c libraries, but most mainstream languages have good bindings
[21:32] <ethana2> anjuta
[21:32] <ethana2> cwillu: ok, that's what i thought
[21:33] <julian_> ethana2, cwillu: um right now to get started fixing bugs to get used to things and then when school ends i will work my way up to some applications some of me and my friends want to develope.
[21:33] <pwnguin> julian_: i'd recommend fixing bugs as a first step into linux programming. it's a lot of code reading, a bit of thinking, and a small bit of new code writing. precisely the hirearchy needed for someone new. it seems you agree ;)
[21:33] <cwillu> julian_, apt-get source <package> will load up the source to make a package from anything in the repository
[21:33] <thegve> whiehoo, my hardy machine just started to live again :)
[21:34] <julian_> yea thats the way i have learned all my languages problem solving then build bigger projects with less direction
[21:34] <ethana2> cwillu: where does it put the source?
[21:34] <cwillu> current folder
[21:34] <ethana2> oh.
[21:34] <ethana2> drat
[21:34] <cwillu> julian_, it's not ideal for anything really involved, but for just poking around its great
[21:34] <ethana2> i get so disorganized doing stuff like that
[21:34] <julian_> cool i am loading that right now
[21:34] <cwillu> julian_, do yourself a favour, and investigate git :)
[21:35] <ethana2> how do git and bzr differ?
[21:35] <julian_> ok what is git
[21:35] <cwillu> distributed version control system
[21:35] <pwnguin> ethana2: git is fast, bzr is older
[21:35] <ethana2> ohhh
[21:35] <ethana2> ok
[21:35] <cwillu> it's like cvs or svn, except not fundamentally broken (which actually makes things simpler by far)
[21:35] <pwnguin> bzr is also what canonical is pushing
[21:35] <julian_> where do i find assignments on bugs needing to be solved
[21:35] <ethana2> pwnguin: that's what confused me
[21:36] <ethana2> julian_: launchpad, perhaps
[21:36] <julian_> ok thats great
[21:36] <heanol> i prefer mercurial
[21:36] <julian_> okay i will make my self a launchpad
[21:36] <ethana2> julian_: yes.  judging by the channel you're in
[21:36] <ethana2> julian_: that's a very good idea anyway
[21:37] <julian_> i have done a lot of work with cvs so i think getting a grasp with git should be easy
[21:38] <soto> Uh
[21:38] <alesan> whith kernel will hardy provide?
[21:38] <ethana2> the latest at kernel freeze
[21:38] <alesan> and, will it have the tickless feature?
[21:38] <heanol> i come from a cvs background and found mercurial alot easier
[21:38] <ethana2> of course it will
[21:38] <ethana2> ...it does already, i think
[21:38] <ethana2> it has for some time
[21:38] <alesan> ethana2: not on my 64bit gutsy...
[21:39] <ethana2> 64bit?
[21:39] <alesan> yes
[21:39] <ethana2> that's more recent
[21:39] <ethana2> but it's there too
[21:39] <ethana2> dynticks first was made to work on i686 i think
[21:39] <ethana2> ...AMD64 took a while longer
[21:39] <julian_> okay i got most of it installed now i am going to set up my launchpad and i will see you all later. (:
[21:40] <soto> Did Gutsy have a /boot/grub directory?
[21:40] <alesan> ethana2: well... the two archs are now merged, so it's only a matter of configuration
[21:40] <ethana2> alesan: probably
[21:41] <ethana2> alesan: my first 64 bit cpu may be PPC
[21:42] <savvas> soto: yes
[21:43] <soto> savvas: Is there some reason it would get deleted in an upgrade to Hardy?
[21:43] <ethana2> soto: encrypted /?
[21:44] <alesan> ethana2: tickless in powerpc was added a bit later, I think in .24
[21:44] <soto> ethana2: No
[21:44] <ethana2> hmm
[21:44] <soto> ethana2: LVM
[21:44] <ethana2> soto: ..hmm... yeah, i don't know
[21:44] <alesan> ethana2: I think it's onlt in Powerpc, not ppc (which is 32only anyway)
[21:44] <soto> Any suggestions on what I should do?
[21:44] <alesan> I don't know which one is used in ubuntu...
[21:44] <ethana2> alesan: CBE in the PS3
[21:45] <alesan> CBE?
[21:45] <ethana2> alesan: whether i buy a ps3 depends directly on the success of the ubuntu port
[21:45] <ethana2> Cell Broadband Engine
[21:45] <ethana2> alesan: never bought a console game in my life, never will
[21:46] <alesan> yes I know the CELL... mh is the General Purpose Unit in the PS3 version 64bit or not?
[21:46] <ethana2> alesan: it's 64bit
[21:46] <ethana2> no wait what?
[21:46] <ethana2> the CPU is one 64bit Power core with 6 usable SPU's
[21:46] <alesan> ah ok
[21:46] <secretlondon> my last console was an atari 2600 ;)
[21:46] <ethana2> 32 bit, ppc isa subset, but heavier on vector instructions and such
[21:47]  * pwnguin ran linux on his wii last night
[21:47] <alesan> a somewhat reduced version of the CELL
[21:47] <ethana2> pwnguin: *hi five*
[21:47] <soto> Is there some way to view if grub is installed on my MBR?
[21:47] <ethana2> soto: does the MBR have anywhere near enough room for full blown GRUB?
[21:48] <ethana2> I didn't think it did...  is it fixed size?
[21:48] <pwnguin> it's rather simple, but the drivers aren't quite there for most purposes. can't use a usb keyboard or anything
[21:48] <ethana2> pwnguin: i'd expect that to all be fixed soon.  What distro?
[21:48] <alesan> what is the current kernel version in hardy as of now?
[21:48] <ethana2> <IP_ADDRESS>-12?
[21:48] <pwnguin> ethana2: i wouldn
[21:48] <ethana2> hold on, i'll check
[21:48] <pwnguin> t
[21:48] <pwnguin> ethana2: gc-linux
[21:48] <soto> ethana2: I'm not sure. Whatever grub installs on the MBR, the stub loader or whatever. I need to check if my bootloader is sane before I try to reboot.
[21:48] <ethana2> oh, it just says 2.6.24-12
[21:49] <alesan> ok
[21:49] <smallfoot-> strange day, no updates
[21:50] <jdh6403> hello folks
[21:50] <ethana2> jdh: hello, person
[21:50] <Exilant> huh, none?
[21:50] <jdh6403> just installed hardy  running updates now
[21:50] <alesan> bye, thank you
[21:50] <ethana2> alesan: bye
[21:50] <Exilant> i thought it were the usual number
[21:50] <ethana2> sudo apt-get update
[21:50] <Lunks> Do I have to expect this part of Ubuntu's development (one to release) lots and lots of kernel updates? =P
[21:51] <ethana2> update-manager isn't the best on up-to-the-minute type stuff
[21:51] <Lunks> one month*
[21:51] <jdh6403> rgr
[21:51] <ethana2> Lunks: kinda...
[21:51] <jdh6403> ill run it next
[21:51] <slipttees> jdh6403: welcome
[21:51] <slipttees> :D
[21:51] <jdh6403> ty slipttees
[21:51] <pwnguin> Lunks: they dont release kernel updates all that often, in my opinion
[21:51] <jdh6403> is compiz working?
[21:51] <jdh6403> thats my next thing to get
[21:52] <ethana2> jdh: i think so
[21:52] <Lunks> I make some changes to a module, so I kinda have to compile the kernel myself
[21:52] <ethana2> jdh: i'm running both instances of X on one gpu
[21:52] <cwillu> Lunks, module?
[21:52] <ethana2> jdh: so i don't have working 3d right now
[21:52] <cwillu> no you don't, you can just build the module
[21:52] <jdh6403> ok
[21:52] <slipttees> hey, WavePlus WP1200 wireless work in hardy ?
[21:52] <cwillu> download the kernel headers and compile the module against that
[21:52] <Lunks> cwillu: with make drivers/net...?
[21:52] <jdh6403> well i am running hardy 64 bit   so am i gonna have flash probs?
[21:52] <_dan_> flesh is fine aslong as u dont use latest version
[21:52] <_dan_> flash
[21:53] <_dan_> :)
[21:53] <jdh6403> ok
[21:53] <Lunks> cwillu: how can I do it? it's bcm43xx module, which I patch.
[21:53] <jdh6403> someone might need to point me to a backport later then
[21:53] <Lunks> cwillu: So it's inside the kernel
[21:53] <cwillu> Lunks, sure you need it?  b43 is the standard module now
[21:53] <Lunks> cwillu: I know, I just do it. ;P
[21:53] <slipttees> WavePlus WP1200 wireless pci-card work in hardy  ?
[21:53] <cwillu> and a module isn't compiled into the kernel (or at least, the bcm43xx isn't)
[21:53] <cwillu> Lunks, google :p
[21:54] <cwillu> !wireless
[21:54] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[21:54] <Lunks> cwillu: But I'm interested learning how to compile a single module against kernel headers
[21:54] <cwillu> there's a list there of what cards are known to work
[21:54] <cwillu> Lunks, ... google will answer faster than I will
[21:54] <Lunks> I've tried. ;P
[21:55] <Lunks> someone told me I just have to go on the kernel source and make <module_dir>
[21:55] <slipttees> cwillu: man, waveplus wireless pci card work ?
[21:55] <Lunks> But didn't know about compiling against kernel headers.
[21:55] <slipttees> WP1200
[21:56] <soneil> Is there any way to stop ff3 from trying to use NetworkManager?  I don't use NM, so firefox always starts offline
[21:56] <jdh6403> so what do i need to know about hardy...thats different from 7.10
[21:56] <jdh6403> do i need to go hunt for codecs?
[21:56] <cwillu> see the 'changed in hardy' page?
[21:56] <jdh6403> link?
[21:57] <Lunks> cwillu: I don't get it, as Makefile on module is completely different from the model
[21:57] <Lunks> I mean, no KDIR at all. :P
[21:58] <cwillu> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/alpha6
[21:58] <matjan> hi, my hardy install is not able to generate thumbnails for avi files... is there a way to solve this?
[22:00] <Exilant> hm, never seen that, i sthat supposed to work in kde?
[22:00] <strabes> How do I make this command run on lid close? sudo /etc/acpi/sleep.sh force
[22:03] <cwillu> strabes, I think /etc/acpi/lid/sh
[22:03] <cwillu> lid.sh rather
[22:04] <slipttees> /etc/iftab
[22:04] <strabes> cwillu: Thanks. I know about that file, but I am not too skilled in bash programming. Where in the file should I put it?
[22:04] <cwillu> /etc/acpi/local/lid.sh.pre is referenced actually, try making _that_ folder and file, and just dump your command into it
[22:09] <annoia> Which package provides /etc/bash_completion?
[22:11] <aldaek> is this the development version channel?
[22:11] <ethana2> yes
[22:11] <Belboz99> Hey all
[22:12] <ethana2> anyone know how i switch the menu key from <alt>F1 to <super>?
[22:12] <Belboz99> I have a /dev/nvidia0 when I took out the nvidia card over a month ago
[22:12] <ethana2> gconf-editor isn't working
[22:12] <ethana2> Belboz99: might you ever put it back in?
[22:12] <Belboz99> and I have no /dev/ati0 even though I've got the fglrx module loaded
[22:12] <ethana2> oh
[22:12] <aldaek> if you switch the repositories you are using to the development version and when they change from 8.04 alphas to 8.10 alphas.. does it auto-upgrade or do you have to tell it to upgrade each time?
[22:12] <ethana2> aldaek: hardy will still be hardy
[22:13] <ethana2> ..i think...
[22:13] <aldaek> so its not like debian's development version, they just have a it continue to update rather than forcing a repos change?
[22:13] <ethana2> right
[22:14] <ethana2> debian sid is the perpetual bleeding edge
[22:14] <Belboz99> aldaek: if you change your /etc/apt/sources.list to hardy, you will stay with hardy
[22:14] <ethana2> hardy is stabilizing now
[22:14] <aldaek> oh, ok. guess i should be on debian for that availability
[22:14] <annoia> Come on, how do I get autocompletion on everything? It's horrible without it!
[22:14] <ethana2> annoia: what?
[22:14] <aldaek> thanks
[22:14] <Belboz99> so, how do I get rid of /dev/nvidia0?
[22:14] <ethana2> oh i see, bash completion
[22:14] <annoia> ethana2 - /etc/bash_completion is missing from my install, so I can't get autocompletion on apt-get and so on.
[22:14] <annoia> Yes
[22:14] <ethana2> isn't that like...  a different shell?
[22:15] <Belboz99> I've tried rmmod nvidia, but it says nvidia doesn't exist
[22:15] <ethana2> i don't have it
[22:15] <ethana2> zsh or something?
[22:15] <Lunks> annoia: i've got the same issue
[22:15] <ethana2> i don't mind; i love to type
[22:15] <ethana2> what bugs me is that i have to apply pressure to push these keys down
[22:15] <annoia> I don't love to type apt-cache search flaf, when I can just hit tab in apt-get install...
[22:16] <ethana2> i'd rather just tap them lightly and have them register
[22:16] <Lunks> annoia: yeah =P
[22:16] <ethana2> i just use the up arrow
[22:17] <soto> Who in here was having trouble with their NVidia Go graphics card?
[22:17] <Belboz99> soto: that's me
[22:18] <annoia> Also, apt-file doesn't work :(
[22:18] <Belboz99> opps, that's not nvidia go, it's just nvidia and ati
[22:19] <soto> Belboz99: It's an Nvidia laptop card?
[22:20] <Belboz99> sorry soto, I've got an ATI card that isn't loading because /dev/nvidia0 still exists, or so I figure
[22:20] <Belboz99> I think I might have jumped the gun on your question earlier :-P
[22:23] <soto> Does anyone know where I can set the screen resolution in a text file?
[22:25] <pwnguin> soto: /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[22:25] <soto> pwnguin: Does that list potential resolutions or does it actually select the settings?
[22:26] <soto> Every single upgrade my resolution gets screwed up.
[22:27] <soto> Or failing that, what is the name of the gnome executable that selects resolution?
[22:30] <heanol> annoia: apt-get install bash-completion
[22:30] <heanol> i've noticed in hardy it doesn't come pre-installed anymore
[22:30] <annoia> heanol - Oh... Great! Thanks!
[22:30] <annoia> lunks - Over to you too! :)
[22:33] <pwnguin> soto: that should set the configuration as you desire. it's not always easy, but it certainly does more than list things
[22:40] <x-ip> hi
[22:40] <x-ip> its awsome Hardy Heron ... good work =)
[22:40] <mcquaid> i want to make sure i'm reading the releases right, regarding fglrx is that the latest version already in hardy? version 8.3
[22:41] <mcquaid> i was hoping they'd make it in but thought the freeze already occurred.
[22:41] <Black_Magic> Ok this is getting annoying
[22:41] <Black_Magic> i had internet for like 24hrs
[22:41] <x-ip> ou ... i'd the freeze problem with the ati card too
[22:41] <Black_Magic> then i needed to reboot..
[22:41] <Black_Magic> and guess what i cannot connect anymore well WICD says im connected
[22:41] <Black_Magic> but i cannot ping any kind of IP or use Firefox Opera Frostwire or anything else that depends on internet..
[22:42] <smo__> hi
[22:42] <Black_Magic> its the same AP
[22:42] <Black_Magic> Same exact spot i was before reboot and cant connect..
[22:42] <smo__> how do we chnage driver for command line now on hardy?
[22:42] <smo__> no Driver entry in xorg.conf
[22:42] <x-ip> Black_Magic: you see something unusual at dmesg or logs ?
[22:43] <Black_Magic> Well atm i had to switch to my kinda backup OS
[22:43] <Black_Magic> to get to the internet only computer
[22:43] <Black_Magic> well i have another but all its good for is to connect to a router..
[22:43] <Black_Magic> is there a way to get those logs from here i can access ubuntu Partion
[22:43] <smo__> no link on how worg work in hard now? i dont understand
[22:43] <smo__> work*
[22:43] <x-ip> smo__: have you tryed to boot in safe mode ?
[22:44] <smo__> i can boot no problems
[22:44] <smo__> but i builded the ati driver
[22:44] <smo__> dkms ok build ok
[22:44] <Black_Magic> then it should be called
[22:44] <Black_Magic> fglrx
[22:44] <smo__> but in xorg.conf?
[22:44] <Black_Magic> in xorg.conf
[22:44] <x-ip> smo__: you installed propietary drivers right ?
[22:44] <smo__> no Driver line in it
[22:44] <smo__> yep
[22:45] <Black_Magic> try booting into Terminal thing and it should stop and ask to continue or fixxserver something like that
[22:45] <x-ip> smo__: so ... you have an utility called aticonfig
[22:45] <smo__> just search to understand how xorg/xorg.conf work now on hardy
[22:45] <x-ip> smo__: hmm ... i understand what you mean
[22:45] <smo__> :)
[22:45] <x-ip> i checked the xorg.conf and its 'modularized'
[22:46] <Black_Magic> Ok i found dmseg in /var/log pasting it in a few seconds
[22:46] <smo__> in just ask where do he store others informations we had before in gutsy
[22:46] <smo__> ...
[22:46] <smo__> in the xorg.conf
[22:46] <x-ip> well .. smo__ have you tried something like ... aticonfig --initial --input=/etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[22:46] <x-ip> ok Black_Magic
[22:46] <smo__> i know all of this no problem
[22:46] <x-ip> smo__: where is the other information ? i want to know that too
[22:46] <x-ip> =)
[22:47] <smo__> i can fixe my problem just i dont understand why i have to add it by myself... supposed to be easier no?
[22:47] <smo__> eheh
[22:47] <smo__> like  a big mystery for me now...
[22:47] <Black_Magic> x-ip,http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59751/
[22:47] <Black_Magic> Ill look too
[22:47] <x-ip> smo__: maybe in the final release it'll be automatic
[22:47] <smo__> strange...
[22:47] <x-ip> ok Black_Magic ... checking ...
[22:47] <Black_Magic> if i log out unexpectibly its because of this OS
[22:48] <smo__> but boot right from my usb stick :)
[22:48] <smo__> nice
[22:51] <x-ip> Black_Magic: so you have an atheros card ...  wifi0: Atheros 5424/2424 ...
[22:51] <x-ip> and using ndiswrapper
[22:52] <Black_Magic> im not using ndiswrapper
[22:52] <Dean-> hi. i cant seem to connect to my wifi access point in gnome. its using WEP, im putting in the correct passphrase but no joy. does anyone know how to get a more detailed error diagnosis, or alt the cli command to do this?
[22:52] <Black_Magic> i have an extra USB Card
[22:52] <Black_Magic> thats what ndiswrapper is for
[22:52] <Black_Magic> my atheros card is supported by default
[22:52] <Black_Magic> well the drivers are there automaticly in most Linux installs and live cds
[22:53] <x-ip> great ... so the problem is you cant connect again to the same ap with your atheros card ?
[22:54] <Black_Magic> I was connected yesturday for all day untill i chose to reboot..
[22:54] <Black_Magic> then not connected
[22:54] <Black_Magic> its like it only connects when it wants to..
[22:54] <Black_Magic> it was 2-3 weeks since ive connected before that instance..
[22:54] <x-ip> Dean-: if you watch dmesg while you try to connect ... it'll bring important information
[22:55] <Black_Magic> i think it has something to do with encryption..
[22:55] <Black_Magic> well i have 2 APs comming out of my house
[22:55] <Black_Magic> One WEP and the other unsecured
[22:55] <RAOF> Heh.  So two unsecured APs ;)
[22:55] <x-ip> yep
[22:55] <Black_Magic> if i just set Wicd to auto connect to  the unsecured "somtimes" itl connect and i can use it
[22:55] <x-ip> so Black_Magic ... how could i help you ?
[22:55] <Black_Magic> lol yea if i really wanted security
[22:56] <Black_Magic> id get WPA2 with RAID or something else forget..
[22:56] <Black_Magic> Well i just need to be able to use wireless..
[22:56] <x-ip> ok ...
[22:56] <Dean-> hi. i cant seem to connect to my wifi access point in gnome. its using WEP, im putting in the correct passphrase but no joy. does anyone know how to get a more detailed error diagnosis, or alt the cli command to do this?
[22:56] <x-ip> Black_Magic: you usually use the terminal ?
[22:56] <Black_Magic> x-ip, dont understand what you mean...?
[22:57] <x-ip> Dean-: i said you ... please read before ...
[22:57] <Dean-> x-ip: apologies.i missed your message
[22:57] <x-ip> Black_Magic: to try to fix you problem ... we'll need to use a terminal
[22:57] <Black_Magic> i have one
[22:57] <Black_Magic> im in Backtrack..
[22:57] <x-ip> perfect ... :)
[22:58] <x-ip> ifconfig -a ... shows your atheros card ?
[22:58] <x-ip> the one that not connect
[22:58] <Black_Magic> as you can understand its hard having one OS that your dependant on because you removed windos and Ubuntu is my main OS and without internet im basicly duped...
[22:58] <x-ip> ou ... sorry, you said that it connects to the ap but cant navigate ...
[22:58] <Black_Magic> It shows Ath0
[22:58] <Black_Magic> ath0
[22:59] <Black_Magic> eth0, lo and wifi0
[22:59] <x-ip> perfect ...
[22:59] <x-ip> ifconfig wifi0 essid your_ap_essid key your_wep_ap_key
[22:59] <Black_Magic> ok....
[22:59] <x-ip> could you please do that ?
[22:59] <Black_Magic> well im connected to my AP right now..
[23:00] <x-ip> sorry the command is iwconfig
[23:00] <x-ip> perfect
[23:00] <x-ip> now ... can you ping some ip ?
[23:00] <Black_Magic> yea...
[23:00] <x-ip> being connected you your ap ?
[23:00] <x-ip> perfect
[23:00] <x-ip> dns resolution works ?
[23:00] <x-ip> ping google.com ?
[23:00] <Black_Magic> in ubuntu if i try and ping
[23:00] <Black_Magic> it says
[23:00] <Black_Magic> operation not permitted
[23:00] <x-ip> well ... thats right
[23:01] <Black_Magic> uh...
[23:01] <x-ip> at ubuntu you need to do that with administrative privileges
[23:01] <Black_Magic> ill brb hopefully
[23:01] <Black_Magic> i tried
[23:01] <Black_Magic> didnt work
[23:01] <Black_Magic> brb
[23:09] <Exilant> ping shouldn't need admin privileges
[23:10] <Dean-> x-ip: not sure if you can help. in dmesg the error shown is 'ASSECONF(NETDEV_UP): ath0: link is not ready'
[23:12] <x-ip> Dean-: maybe ... as my knowledge let me i'll try to help you
[23:13] <x-ip> Dean-: go to a terminal ... get root and ... ifconfig ath0 down
[23:13] <x-ip> ifconfig ath0 up
[23:13] <x-ip> then look up dmesg again ... i'll have to get some errors
[23:14] <Dean-> x-ip: same error
[23:15] <Exilant> does iwconfig say sth. about being not associated?
[23:17] <x-ip> Dean-: ok ... it has to give more errors that only this line
[23:18] <x-ip> could  you please pastebin the lines that correspond to ath0 errors ?
[23:18] <Dean-> no net access on the laptop :(. but i can type them?
[23:21] <Dean-> x-ip: nevermind. ive decided to give up for today. go relax. thanks for the help
[23:25] <soto> I don't see a 'hardware drivers' selection in the administration menu. Where is it?
[23:35] <Black_Magic> Im back
[23:35] <Black_Magic> sorry KDE Crashed and X was going..
[23:37] <savvas> mm no more updates :)
[23:38] <savvas> that's nice for a change :P
[23:39] <Black_Magic> ...
[23:39] <Black_Magic> Ok who every was helping me please continue
[23:44] <danage> does anybody know how to fix my atheros wifi with -12 kernel? it broke... is it wpa? my ath0 doesn't get ip address from dhcp
[23:44] <savvas> file a bug :)
[23:45] <danage> haha there is probably one already
[23:45] <danage> dont know which package its in
[23:45] <savvas> well um..
[23:45] <savvas> try #ubuntu-bugs - they know this stuff much better
[23:46] <danage> thanks
[23:52] <soneil> where would I look for logs/cores for crashes?  dumped a lot of noise on the terminal, but I can't find anything matching in /var/log/
[23:56] <giorgos> hi
[23:56] <giorgos> can anyone help with ypdate problem?
[23:57] <giorgos> i update and the system crashes


[12:15] <shailangsa> anybody know why the repo init command is giving permission denied when following the steps from http://whereisdarran.com/2019/07/how-to-build-twrp-for-the-tb-8504x-f/ , the error can be seen here https://pastebin.com/7MycejfM ?
[12:28] <lotuspsychje> shailangsa: that doesnt look like its an ubuntu 20.10 issue?


[21:51] <k3dar7> hi, what about addidng xcape to 19.10 default installation? for enabling superkey for show whiskermenu...


[09:53]  * ogra_ dances ... fnially mx5 live images !!!
[09:54] <ogra_> infinity, if your mx5 has a spare cycle, could you give them a try ?
[09:57] <ogra_> (also, does anyone know why we build .1 as the default images nowadays ? seems that only recently started)
[09:58] <ogra_> looking at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntu/quantal/ it started with 20120708.1 ... i cant find a commit in cdimage that would explain this
[10:00] <cjwatson> all stable builds are like that
[10:01] <cjwatson> it's because the thing that computes build numbers doesn't take the series into account
[10:01] <cjwatson> so there's typically already been a quantal build that day and it therefore selects .1
[10:01] <cjwatson> would probably not be that hard to fix but I haven't bothered
[10:05] <ogra_> well, there are no logs for other builds
[10:06] <cjwatson> oh this is quantal.  well, it'll be something similar to the above
[10:06] <cjwatson> precise is probably starting earlier
[10:06] <ogra_> (/me is mostly scared that we run into the 24h buildtime and start to overlap thanks to the many arm builds on a single machine which might cause delays)
[10:06] <cjwatson> yeah, look at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntu/precise/, there are the other builds in question
[10:07] <ogra_> ah
[10:07] <ogra_> it doesnt see the releases as distinct
[10:07] <ogra_> now i get it
[10:07] <cjwatson> yep, series == release, sorry LP terminology
[10:07] <ogra_> heh, k
[11:12] <Laney> how does one go about uploading a rebootstrap?
[11:12]  * Laney is rebuilding ghc/armel
[11:12] <Laney> at least, I think I am. We'll know in 10 hours or so :-)
[11:15] <cjwatson> You'll probably need infinity to help you.
[11:15] <cjwatson> AIUI it requires shoving bootstrap binaries into an extra repository that buildd chroots are temporarily pointed at for build-dependencies.
[11:16] <Laney> oh, so it's not a binary upload
[11:17] <Laney> I'm just using Debian's ghc to bootstrap off
[11:27] <cjwatson> Laney: From LP's point of view, that involves bootstrap binaries
[11:27] <cjwatson> Assuming you mean Debian's ghc binaries and not just the source
[11:28] <Laney> yes
[11:29] <Laney> I thought you might do the bootstrap builds yourself and just smush them in somehow.
[11:30] <Laney> But having another repository which accepts binary uploads also works
[11:34] <cjwatson> Every binary in the archive must have been built by LP - absolute rule
[11:34] <cjwatson> Never AFAIK violated (although it used to be "built by buildds attached to dak", but same principle)
[11:36] <Laney> certainly makes sense
[14:42] <Laney> emacs24-non-dfsg should go to universe, btw
[14:44] <cjwatson> So it should (GFDL).  Done.
[14:46] <Laney> ta


[00:34] <joshuan> hello everyone, I need help with figuring out why hyperlinks inside my synaptic package manager will not open my browser..
[00:35] <holstein> joshuan: i would just copy paste those.. it really shouldnt come up that often that you need to do that
[00:35] <holstein> open links in a web browser from a package manager..
[00:35] <holstein> what is it? a link for a screenshot?
[00:36] <joshuan> its to a website
[00:36] <holstein> sure, what for? a screenshot?
[00:36] <holstein> on the website? is it a link to screenshots? documentation?
[00:37] <joshuan> example: you search for alienarena and there is a link to there web page
[00:37] <holstein> right.. i always just copy and paste, or search in the web browser
[00:37] <holstein> you can look for a bug about it, im sure someone has noticed.. it'll be something you can use #ubuntu for as well, since its not directly related to lubuntu or lxde
[00:38] <holstein> i dont remember them being clickable links.. anyways, im on 15.04, are you? i'll fire it up and test..
[00:39] <joshuan> I'm on 14.10
[00:39] <joshuan> lubuntu
[00:40] <holstein> plus, synaptic is running as root.. you dont want root opening web pages
[00:40] <holstein> lubuntu *is* ubuntu
[00:40] <joshuan> yeah
[00:42] <joshuan> oh I see because it being root
[00:46] <holstein> joshuan: i am unable to click on the "visit homepage" buttons
[00:47] <holstein> i can right click, and "copy url" without issue
[00:47] <holstein> joshuan: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synaptic/+bug/1168915
[00:51] <joshuan> thanks holstein, i will take a look
[01:01] <Jake1> !hi
[01:02] <Jake1> time zone issue. i set the right time zone but the time its not the rihgt one
[01:02] <Jake1> any idea ?
[01:02] <Jake1> lunbuntu 15.04
[01:03] <holstein> Jake1: i say, its actualy not set to the "right" one, then.. share how you set it, please, and where you set it.. and what setting you have, and what you want.. thanks
[01:04] <Jake1> i m french, sorry for my english
[01:04] <holstein> !fr
[01:04] <Jake1> thanks
[01:34] <Jake1> America/Guadeloupe. not the good time
[01:34] <Jake1> i set it to another island near, still the same
[01:34] <holstein> Jake1: how did you set what exactly? and where?
[01:36] <Jake1> time zone : america/guadeloupe
[01:36] <Jake1> setting: sync to serv
[01:36] <holstein> Jake1: please open a terminal, and use the command "sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" and follow the prompts
[01:38] <Jake1> Current default time zone: 'America/Guadeloupe'
[01:38] <Jake1> Local time is now:      Thu Apr 30 17:39:20 AST 2015.
[01:38] <Jake1> Universal Time is now:  Thu Apr 30 21:39:20 UTC 2015.
[01:38] <Jake1> universal time  its the good one
[01:38] <holstein> Jake1: use the settings in the terminal to set it as you please
[01:39] <Jake1> why local and universal its not the same ???
[01:40] <holstein> Jake1: if you want them the same, set them the same
[01:41] <Jake1> how ? i m living in guadeloupe. should i set another country to get the good time ?
[01:41] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/117359/how-do-i-change-the-timezone-to-utc
[01:41] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/138423/how-do-i-change-my-timezone-to-utc-gmt
[01:41] <holstein> Jake1: just set it to what you want..
[01:44] <Jake1> fixed ! thanks you alot holstein
[01:45] <holstein> sure.. and to be clear, this wasnt breakage that needed fixing.. but, im glad you have your system configured as you need it to be
[01:49] <Jake1> on the previous version i never had to take care about that. now i ll have to everytime i install :/
[02:33] <Jake1> how can i froce mplayer to play video streaming in 1080p ?
[02:33] <Jake1> somtin like -y1920 -x1080 ?
[02:34] <holstein> is the source 1080p? if not, i dont think you'll get the result you are wanting..
[02:35] <Jake1> yes the source its 180p but everytime it play in 720p
[02:35] <Jake1> i don t want to use mpv
[02:35] <holstein> not sure. but, you can alwasy ask volunteers in #ubuntu since its not related to lubuntu or lxce
[02:35] <holstein> lxde*
[02:36] <Jake1> smplayer -x1920 -y1080 http://videolink.com something like dat
[02:36] <holstein> Jake1: yes, i understand.. do you understand that i refer you to #ubuntu ?
[02:36] <Jake1> yes, i already asking on #ubuntu
[04:11] <Jake1> is there any way else to get skype audio working whitout installing pulseaudio ?
[04:12] <holstein> Jake1: i have used it in the past without pulse, but, its not an ubuntu package, so, you just do whatever is needed to make the 3rd party package work.. since, they dont really support linux well
[04:12] <holstein> they, being microsoft, in this case
[04:13] <holstein> also, you can ask in #ubuntu for that too, since, more folks will be using skype there
[04:13] <Jake1> you r the boss holstein. thanks again
[12:42] <position> anyone can create drivers from xp to run in lubuntu?
[12:44] <position> If we have the proprietary driver of a device in win xp can we convert it tou run in lubuntu?
[12:44] <position> to run in lubuntu?
[13:58] <holstein> position: ideally, the creator of the hardware would, as they did for windows xp, create a driver for linux/ubuntu.. all of linux and ubuntu are open and freely available for that company to do so.. or release information that would make that possible
[13:59] <holstein> if its an older device, then, there may be little/no interest from a community to try and reverse engineer, or make a driver that may or may not work well
[14:00] <holstein> basically, there is nothing in linux or lubuntu/ubuntu that is preventing that device from working, or from haveing a driver created for it to work by the creators of the hardware... but, typically, these days, *if* things can work, they just work
[14:01] <holstein> position: what device are you dealing with? and have you tried it with linux? its usually rather simple to load a live iso for lubuntu and just test the device, first-hand, under linux
[14:01] <position> well I have an old crypto camera
[14:01] <position> I must try it in linux
[14:02] <position> I dont have drivers
[14:02] <holstein> sure.. try loading a live iso, and see how it works
[14:02] <holstein> the linux kernel is modular.. and contains drivers for most hardware
[14:02] <holstein> if it doesnt "just work" out of the box, then, it can be either simply a matter of installing the driver the manufacturer provides, or it may just not work
[14:13] <Jake1> lubuntu really need to fix that time zone issue
[14:13] <Jake1> now i get the wrong date
[14:15] <holstein> Jake1: im getting the date just fine here, friend
[14:16] <holstein> Jake1: where are you getting the incorrect date?
[14:17] <Jake1> the date
[14:17] <Jake1> sys tray
[14:19] <holstein> Jake1: sure, friend.. the date is fine here.. how are you syncing the date? and to what? how did you set it and when?
[14:19] <Jake1> sync to serv
[14:19] <Jake1> should not be any error
[14:20] <Jake1> i havec to set it manually and then chosse back sync to serv
[14:42] <fwioq> when would lubuntu get the functionality to configure the default soundcard a bit more userfriendly?
[14:43] <fwioq> writing manually asoundrc is defenetly not userfiendly
[14:43] <fwioq> kubuntu and so on can configure the default soundcard in the sound settings
[14:44] <fwioq> i had again the situation where someone tell me that he installed 15.04 and had no sound. the default soundcard was his hdmi soundcard. not the normal build in realtek soundcard
[15:39] <holstein> Jake1: seems like you are having an issue that could be related to your network connectivity at the time the machine is trying to sync its time settings
[15:40] <holstein> Jake1: there should be a battery on the machine that keeps its time settings, but, i have had machines where that battery was removed, or dead, and i have experienced what you have stated.. where, at boot, the time is "off" til it syncs
[15:41] <holstein> thats just one scenario/possiblity.. you'll just have to postulate, and test.. and see if you can track the issue down
[15:41] <holstein> fwioq: you can try using pulseaudio.. pavucontrol
[15:41] <holstein> fwioq: those labels can change, in alsa, and make the default jump or change.. AFAIK, pulseaudio tries to address that
[15:42] <Jake1> holstein, good idea ! i ll look after that
[15:48] <fwioq> holstein: i have edit the alsa default configuration file. Would this problem be fixed in 15.10 thanks to lxqt?
[15:50] <holstein> fwioq: well, its not actually a problem, AFAIK..
[15:50] <holstein> there are ways to nail that down, i suppose, but, im not sure that this is breakage.. the HDMI, for example, is a viable default
[15:51] <holstein> if a user wants, they can use pulseaudio, and pavucontrol.. that can help faciliate a lot of the functionality that you mention, though, at a cost
[15:57] <fwioq> holstein: a normal user have totaly no idea what to do when the sound is not working in lubuntu. he did not know anything about pulseaudion and pavucontrol. thats the usability problem i talk about.
[15:57] <holstein> fwioq: i dont think the goal of lubuntu is necessarily what you are discussing.. though, i completely understand what you are saying
[15:58] <holstein> if you feel you have a bug, or want to file a wishlist bug, feel free.. otherwise, i personally  find the lightness of lubuntu a refreshing compromise.. where, maybe not all things are catering for out of the box perfection, but, lightness
[18:44] <Keyan> Hi, I have a question about lxde. How can i  reset all lxde settings in my home folder and recreate theme in default?
[18:45] <Mr_Comet> no idea. never had to do that. O_o
[18:46] <wxl> theoretically all the settings should be in .config
[18:46] <wxl> they should be recreated if the folder is not there
[18:46] <wxl> but .config is a place to put a lot of settings, not just lxde, so be careful with that
[18:47] <wxl> alternately you can find the default configs outside the home folder
[18:47] <wxl> e.g. there's a bunch in /etc/xdg
[18:47] <wxl> tl;dr there's no global reset button Keyan :)
[18:48] <Keyan> Thank you.
[18:49] <Keyan> Can't reconfigure lxde to create new files in my home folder?
[18:49] <wxl> Keyan: if the files aren't there, they will be copied from default
[18:52] <Keyan> Yes, I copied default folders from /usr/share/lxpanel/profile/Lubuntu/panels to ~/home/keyan/.config/lxpanel/Lubuntu/panels but not work. Icons disapear from desktop. and commands like this not work: XDG_DESKTOP_DIR="$HOME/Desktop"
[18:54] <Keyan> This problem occure when i change defaul desktop folder in Desktop Preferences, Now, when i want change to default, lxde crash
[18:55] <Keyan> @wxl, Any idea?
[18:56] <Keyan> @Mr_Comet, Thank you, sorry for late!
[18:57] <Mr_Comet> np :D
[18:57] <Keyan> :D
[18:57] <Mr_Comet> sorry im not expert in linux :(
[18:57] <Keyan> Me too
[18:57] <Mr_Comet> i just use the os. not tweak it :D
[18:57] <Mr_Comet> ex windows user. that should explain :D
[18:58] <Keyan> I dont want tweak it, only checked simple item!!
[18:59] <Keyan> and i cant uncheck it :D
[19:01] <Mr_Comet> lol ok :)


[00:23] <BLZbubba> ok if i put nfs filesystems in fstab, it fails to boot in upstart
[00:25] <[R]> BLZbubba: so don't put an nfs filesystem in fstab?
[00:26] <PMantis> BLZbubba, Try disabling that entry, and just use autofs to mount on demand.
[00:27] <PMantis> BLZbubba, As far as debugging, not sure where to start, but wanted to offer that.
[00:27] <BLZbubba> [R]: yes that is definitely one option
[00:27] <BLZbubba> autofs is too PFM, not reliable
[00:29] <rhpot1991> PMantis: mind making a bug for that?
[00:29] <rhpot1991> the mythexport issue
[01:08] <PMantis> rhpot1991, http://www.mythbuntu.org/ is down
[01:11] <superm1> PMantis, Daviey will have to fix that
[01:11] <superm1> Daviey, ^
[01:24] <PMantis> I'm at a loss now: "ERROR: No resulting file from ffmpeg, most likely your ffmpeg failed.  Enable debugging and test by hand.". I went as far as adding "$debug = 1;" in the mythexport-daemon script, no more info in the log file. I installed all the codecs I could think of, but without being able to see what ffmpeg is doing, how do I mode on?
[01:24] <PMantis> s/mode/move/
[01:30] <Gibby_away> superm1: Yep it is up there
[02:14] <PMantis> Ok, I tracked down one more issue with mythexport_daemon, REALLY wish the website was up, so I could report bugs.
[02:15] <PMantis> If I make an otg request, the pattern match near line 342 causes $block to be "true" rather than the name of the podcast. Because of that, all the export_cfg lines that rely on $block below that also fail.
[02:49] <Technophil> Is there a setting that might make daylight saving happen 12 hours later?  (PM instead of AM)
[02:50] <PMantis> Also, line # 235 has an error: "export("starttime=$currentstarttime&chanid=currentchanid&config=$block&otg=true");".  Should have a "$" in front of currentchanid.
[02:55] <mrand> PMantis: bugs get reported to launchpad... best thing to do is to do "ubuntu-bug mythexport" from a shell window on your system.  If that isn't possible for some reason, you can report it here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythexport
[02:55] <Zinn> [bugs.launchpad.net] Bugs : âmythexportâ package : Ubuntu
[02:56] <PMantis> mrand, Ahh, thanks. Will do that once I have my changes completed.
[02:56] <mrand> PMantis: awesome.  thanks!
[02:57] <PMantis> mrand, Fighting with ffmpeg right now. Stupid restrictions!
[02:57] <mrand> For some reason, those two terms seem to be used together frequently.
[02:58] <PMantis> heh
[03:03] <martin__> I cannot get either network card working (RT3090 wireless or MCP79 nvidia wired ethernet)
[03:07] <rhpot1991> PMantis: I can tell you I haven't gotten much feedback on the OTG section so any bugs you can dig up in there would be greatly appreciated
[03:08] <rhpot1991> also I don't use that portion myself so it gets neglected in testings other than a quick check
[03:09] <PMantis> rhpot1991, And if you can tell me how to get ffmpeg to behave with 10.04 and libmp3lame, that would push me forward faster. I tried installing the libmp3lame-dev packaged, medibuntu, whatever else I could find in forums...
[03:09] <rhpot1991> PMantis: odd it should just work
[03:09] <rhpot1991> PMantis: what device are you aiming for?
[03:09] <PMantis> iphone & ipod touch's
[03:10] <rhpot1991> PMantis: then I'd recommend you use aac, you have medibuntu enabled already?
[03:10] <PMantis> Yeah
[03:11] <rhpot1991> PMantis: also OTG may not be the best way to go about those devices, its prob better to setup a normal user job and tell a recording to do your ipod export each time it records
[03:11] <rhpot1991> oh wiki is down, drats
[03:11] <PMantis> It's calling ffmpeg with libmp3lame based on me choosing "ipod". Where can I cahnge that?
[03:11] <PMantis> Yeah, whole site is dead. :(
[03:12] <rhpot1991> PMantis: install libavcodec-extra-52
[03:12] <PMantis> Already have. :)
[03:13] <rhpot1991> and then open /etc/mythtv/mythexport/mythexport_settings.cfg
[03:13] <rhpot1991> replace libmp3lame with libfaac
[03:13] <PMantis> Ahhhh
[03:14] <rhpot1991> if it is still not working after that, I would setup a normal user job and run it on a single recording
[03:14] <PMantis> It's also leaving 5.1 surround intact. A waste on a stereo device. :)
[03:14] <rhpot1991> get that to work before tacking OTG, even though I don't think OTG fits your needs so much
[03:14] <rhpot1991> its more for taking a bunch of recordings on a laptop type deal
[03:14] <rhpot1991> PMantis: ya I've had issue tackling defaults vs user configurable for quite some time
[03:15] <PMantis> rhpot1991, Well, I have the user jobs there. But I'm not gonna schedule a recording then wait a day between testing.
[03:15] <rhpot1991> redid the config section for maverick in an attempt to fix that while still letting you tweak to your hearts content
[03:15] <rhpot1991> PMantis: what I'd say to do is tell it to run userjob whatever on your recording whatever
[03:15] <rhpot1991> then every time you hit the rss feed its waiting for you
[03:16] <PMantis> Right. Exactly what I did.
[03:16] <PMantis> But, if ffmpeg is failing, then that won't work either.
[03:16] <rhpot1991> wiki walks you through it pretty well but thats down now
[03:16] <rhpot1991> yep
[03:16] <PMantis> so I'm using otg to trigger, tweak, then trigger again, etc.
[03:16] <rhpot1991> ffmpeg tends to spoil everything if it gets unhappy
[03:16] <PMantis> Yuuuuup :)
[03:16] <rhpot1991> PMantis: I'd make a 1 or 2 minute recording and test with that
[03:17] <rhpot1991> also you can launch user jobs from mythweb on a specific recording, works very well for testing ffmpeg issues
[03:17] <PMantis> Oh... true...
[03:18]  * PMantis just added -ac 2  to his settings.
[03:18] <rhpot1991> that will fix your sound
[03:18] <rhpot1991> there is a spot in the web interface for that too
[03:20] <PMantis> rhpot1991, Yeah, but using the web interface reverts it back to libmp3lame
[03:21] <rhpot1991> PMantis: yep, forgot about that
[03:21] <PMantis> ok, it's exporting fringe right now. :)
[03:24] <PMantis> rhpot1991, So I take it you're the maintainer of mythexport?
[03:40] <martin___> getting networking to work is driving me nuts. I have an acer revo r3610 with MCP79 and RT3090. Will it ever work?
[03:41] <martin___> dhcp keeps timing out
[03:42] <martin___> I have disabled MAC filtering on my router to remove that from the equation
[03:48] <mrand> PMantis: yes, he is.
[03:58] <PMantis> Wow, 130mb and still going... a little large for a 1hr show
[03:58] <PMantis> At least in ipod format
[04:04] <martin___> there are 3 DNS servers in /etc/resolv.conf, added by NetworkManager
[04:05] <martin___> eth1 DHCP transaction took too long... I don't get it
[04:41] <rhpot1991> PMantis: upstream
[05:44] <martin__> I don't have a proper network connection yet. NetworkManager obtains an IP from my router, but names are still not resolved, and ping to external IP addresses do not work. Yet the proper DNS entries were put in /etc/resolv.conf
[06:30] <martin__> could it be an ipv6 problem?
[07:09] <PMantis> Bug 598439 actually mentions two separate problems with the code. I filed 3 bugs tonight, and 2 explain what's happening with this bug, come to find out.
[07:09] <Zinn> Bug 598439 in mythexport (Ubuntu) "mythexport generates names like ---20100418192800 and thus fails ffmpeg." [Undecided, Incomplete] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/598439
[07:11] <PMantis> Wow, actually all 3 of my reports are mentioned in passing in this one bug. However, my reports also diagnose exactly what's happening and how to fix it.
[07:11] <PMantis> rhpot1991, Please have a look at my reports.
[17:37] <ComradeHaz`> Hi all. I have problems with fast forwarding sometimes. Not done much troublshooting, I seem to recall this being a common issue but forget the fix. Anyone familliar with this issue?
[23:48] <KungFuJesus> eh, the webserver is down :-p


[02:27] <tomswartz07> hey guys. i have a bit of an emergency, and I would like some advice
[02:27] <tomswartz07> my (just upgraded) 12.04 machine ran out of space on the / partition, and now I cant even use aptitude to free up space.
[02:28] <tomswartz07> any ideas on how to clear up a bit of room to get my machine working again?
[02:28] <tomswartz07> im afraid to even reboot, as it may lock out X from starting
[02:47] <godbyk> tomswartz07: You can delete everything in /var/cache/apt/archives.  It contains the deb files that apt-get downloads.
[03:03] <tomswartz07> godbyk: i sorted it. its a LightDM logfile that took over my partition. 160G of logfiles. piece of junk
[03:03] <godbyk> tomswartz07: Wow!
[03:03] <godbyk> Where does it keep the logs?  /var/log?
[03:04] <tomswartz07> ill say!
[03:04] <tomswartz07> yep, /var/log/upstart/lightdm.log and /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log
[03:04] <tomswartz07> both were pushing 80G each
[03:04] <godbyk> Strange. What was in the logs?
[03:05] <tomswartz07> LightDM "failed to get connection from VNC socket: Error accepting connection: too many open files"?
[03:05] <tomswartz07> about 10 billion times
[03:07] <tomswartz07> anywho. i sorted it, now im back down to a mild 45% / usage
[03:07] <godbyk> tomswartz07: Strange.  I thought syslog automatically ellided duplicate messages when they were being printed frequently (to prevent the logs from growing so large).
[03:07] <godbyk> That's good to hear.
[03:07] <godbyk> Glad you got everything running again.
[03:08] <tomswartz07> phew, i was worried there for a bit!
[03:08] <tomswartz07> anyway, to manual business; whats the author deadline?
[03:11] <godbyk> Here's the schedule I proposed:
[03:11] <godbyk> May 31 – First draft completed: authors have updated and written new content; screenshots are in place.
[03:11] <godbyk> June 15 – Editors have edited and proofread content.
[03:11] <godbyk> June 22 – Release a draft for public comment and proofreading for one week.  Incorporate changes as they are suggested.
[03:11] <godbyk> June 27 – Final draft is complete and all last-minute changes have been made.
[03:11] <godbyk> June 30 – The final PDF is released on our website and printed copies can be purchased via lulu.com.
[03:12] <godbyk> I haven't heard anyone protest that timeline, so I'll add the milestones to Launchpad.
[03:14] <tomswartz07> very nice! okay.
[03:15] <tomswartz07> i was very briefly re-reading my sections and it appears I dont have much to update
[03:15] <tomswartz07> some title and wording, but not much work at all! Is that the case with others?
[03:16] <godbyk> I think it's fairly hit and miss. Most sections require only a little work.
[03:16] <godbyk> Some other sections require more work.
[03:17] <godbyk> But I don't think there's much work to do overall (compared to some previous versions).
[03:17] <tomswartz07> right.
[03:18] <tomswartz07> are we still allowing latex edits via bzr?
[03:18] <tomswartz07> i missed the last meeting where it was likely discussed. regrets.
[03:18] <godbyk> Yep!
[03:19] <godbyk> No worries.
[03:19] <godbyk> Yeah, LaTeX editing via bzr is still the primary method.
[03:19] <godbyk> For those who aren't interested in learning LaTeX, etc., we'll accept them to send plain text to the editors so they can handle the markup.
[03:20] <tomswartz07> excellent. I very much prefer doing it right in LaTeX- much quicker that way.
[03:20] <tomswartz07> what version of LaTeX are we using? the standard TeX2011 from before? or a new default package?
[03:20] <godbyk> tomswartz07: I'd stick with the upstream TeX Live still.
[03:21] <godbyk> I think Debian is repackaging everything, but I don't think they've finished yet.
[03:21] <godbyk> You can update all your TeX Live packages by running 'sudo tlmgr update --all' if you like.
[03:21] <godbyk> (They update the packages rather frequently.)
[03:22] <godbyk> Okay, milestones are on Launchpad now. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/precise
[03:22] <tomswartz07> hm. okay. any notion to the version? i have arch on my main work bok. if not, i can use my ubuntu server
[03:22] <godbyk> tomswartz07: Well, it's TeX Live 2011 still (from tug.org). They'll release 2012 in a few months.
[03:23] <godbyk> tomswartz07: But the 2011 Debian packages that are in the Ubuntu repositories are still broken as far as I know.
[03:23] <tomswartz07> heh. they always have to change things, dont they? :P
[03:24] <tomswartz07> ok. Ill use our installer to get up and running again. Im excited to get back into things!
[03:25] <godbyk> Yeah, I'm hoping that Debian gets the new TeX packages sorted out. I'll be nice when we can start using stuff from the repository again.
[03:25] <godbyk> (Though I'll likely keep using the upstream versions because I like to have the latest LaTeX packages.)
[03:27] <tomswartz07> alrighty- im off to bed! hey, it was good chatting with you!
[03:27] <tomswartz07> thanks for the hard work on the milestones!
[03:28] <godbyk> No problem. Have a good night!
[15:44] <hannie> hello herat
[15:45] <herat> hannie: hi
[15:45] <hannie> herat, started writing already?
[15:45] <herat> hannie: yes
[15:45] <hannie> good
[15:46] <hannie> sagaci, hi, are you an author too?
[15:46] <herat> hannie: Thanks for all the guidelines. They were quite useful.
[15:46] <hannie> herat, yes it was a combined effort, John, Kevin and me
[15:46] <sagaci> hannie, I've started working on the listening to music chapter
[15:47] <hannie> sagaci, ok, if you have any questions, ping me


[23:34] <Ddorda> hello. i want to announce that I have just done building the new site of the Israeli LoCo: http://ubuntu-il.com - based and made with cooperation of the Ubuntu-Drupal project (which i'm part of it too)
[23:34] <Ddorda> and it's http://ubuntu-il.org too


[00:17] <Ampelbein> hi! could some member of bug-control please set bug #261598 to wishlist? thanks.
[01:58] <hggdh> Ampelbein, done
[07:08] <anakron> HI all
[07:08] <anakron> wich is the repository for 5-a-day applet in intrepid???
[07:08] <anakron> cause i can found it in wiki
[07:15] <anakron> someone can say repositories of 5-a-day applet for intrepid or hardy?
[10:44] <mcas> hello
[10:44] <mcas> i need some help with bug263141
[10:45] <mcas> i need some help with bug 263141
[10:45] <mcas> i think this is the correct behaviour
[10:45] <mcas> so how should i handle this bug
[10:47] <thekorn> mcas, hi, I agree, it is the correct behaviour
[10:47] <mcas> should i comment this and mark it as won't fix?
[10:47] <thekorn> IMO it is invalid
[10:48] <mcas> ah ok
[10:48] <mcas> thanks
[10:48] <thekorn> I would close it as invalid and explain that the keys are ctrl+c and ctrl+v
[10:48] <thekorn> and not ctrl+shift+v
[10:49] <mcas> ok i'll do so
[10:49] <thekorn> super
[10:53] <mcas> done
[22:48] <nullack> Would someone please confirm bug 262027 for me, thanks
[22:53] <james_w> nullack: I think that the package probably didn't fail installation
[22:53] <nullack> james_w It did, and it resulted in X falling back to bulletproof X mode :)
[22:54] <james_w> nullack: I realise it failed, but it looks like it didn't fail
[22:54] <james_w> sorry, cryptic
[22:54] <james_w> it had a problem, but didn't report this with a non-zero exit code of the maintainer script
[22:54] <james_w> so dpkg/apt had no idea that it had a problem
[22:54] <nullack> james_w: If a user upgrades tselliots driver packages and it fails, and it says it fails, synaptic shoould not say the upgrade was "successful". So should I redirect the bug to tseliot on the driver?
[22:55] <james_w> the action is probably run as "something-that-might-fail || true"
[22:55] <nullack> Given hes not sending a fail code?
[22:55] <james_w> so that it doesn't fail the installation
[22:55] <james_w> I think it is a bug in the nvidia package, yes, would you reassign and modify the bug appropriately please?
[22:55] <nullack> Yes I will, thanks mate
[22:56] <james_w> thank you
[22:56] <nullack> Just out of interest do I assume right that devs have a coding standard about errors? Just to be sure this is being consistently done and isnt in other packages as well?
[22:56] <james_w> sometimes this is done intentionally
[22:57] <james_w> e.g. I know it is also done in flashplugin-nonfree
[22:57] <james_w> I don't agree with it there, but it is often a definite choice to do this
[22:58] <nullack> Yeah I can see isolated reasons why it would need to be done sometimes
[22:58] <tseliot> maybe we can report the problem to dkms
[22:59] <andre____> to use bug-buddy instead of apport, i have to create /apps/bug-buddy/run_on_crash and set it to true in gconf?
[22:59] <nullack> Hi tseliot, is the problem with your package or dkms?
[23:00] <tseliot> nullack: both. I have fixed this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/261816
[23:01] <nullack> tseliot : thank you I will edit my bug then
[23:01] <tseliot> but there's still something left in the /var/lob/dkms/nvidia directory
[23:01] <nullack> tseliot : I have another matter I am in the process of raising a bug for, do you have time for a quick discuss?
[23:01] <tseliot> therefore there might still be directories which should have been removed
[23:01] <tseliot> nullack: sure
[23:02] <nullack> tselliot: Thanks. I did a fresh install of yesterdays ubuquity ISO
[23:02] <nullack> tselliot: After the glx install of 177.70 I got sent to bulletproof X
[23:03] <nullack> tselliot: I eventualy resolved it by getting rid of everything in xorg.conf except for the nvidia driver device section
[23:03] <nullack> tselliot: The default conf has items that dont need to be there like loading glx which is done anyway
[23:03] <tseliot> nullack: knowing what was there before would help me diagnose the problem
[23:04] <nullack> tselliot: X was failing because the server layout had a keyboard entry
[23:04] <tseliot> nullack: did it have a serverlayout section too?
[23:04] <nullack> tselliot: yes
[23:05] <nullack> tselliot: It was all debian default, then the glx install added other stuff
[23:05] <tseliot> nullack: and was there an entry about the keyboard in the serverlayout section?
[23:05] <nullack> tselliot: Another user said he installed 177.70 from a fresh install too, and he got booted to bulletproof x on logout, but after reboot was ok
[23:06] <nullack> tselliot: Yes, keyboard in server layout but no keyboard device as HAL configured it
[23:06] <tseliot> nullack: that's a different problem. Doing a sudo rmmod nvidia && sudo modprobe nvidia would have solved the problem
[23:06] <nullack> tselliot: Right, has to be removed and added back with latest I understand
[23:07] <tseliot> yes, or simply reboot
[23:07] <nullack> tselliot: Anyway, it seems to me that the install is adding stuff to the xorg.conf that isnt needed and HAL is setting it all up anyway
[23:08] <tseliot> adding glx won't cause any problem, however you might want to file a bug report with the original xorg.conf about the problems with input devices
[23:09] <nullack> tselliot: I will do that thanks. Im a big fan of your work and Im grateful that you always quickly get out new nvidia drivers once they are released. Top stuff :)
[23:09] <tseliot> ;)
[23:29] <sectech> howdie
[23:29] <sectech> For hardy,  has any of the kernel developers addressed the issue of the "suspend to ram" kernel panic being fixed for hardy?
[23:30] <sectech> one too many hardy's
[23:30] <james_w> hi sectech
[23:31] <sectech> I know they wanted to move forward to 2.6.27... problem is that the people running hardy now that don't follow bugs are kinda screwed up right now
[23:31] <james_w> is there a bug for it?
[23:31] <sectech> james_w,  the closest that I can see is 251252
[23:31] <james_w> #ubuntu-kernel is probably a better place for these questions, they will be more knowledgeable.
[23:32] <sectech> james_w,  true...  they would be... but probably were asked the question 1000 times already
[23:33] <sectech> 2.6.27 fixes the problem...  but the hardy users arn't getting that kernel as far as I know
[23:34] <james_w> I doubt they will
[23:34] <e-jat> use intrepid main repo ... then u will get the 2.6.27-2
[23:34] <james_w> if you know it fixes it you can "bisect" to find the fix, and then that can be applied in hardy.
[23:35] <sectech> james_w,  I guess my issue is that _I_ know how to get around it... but what about the other hardy users...
[23:35] <james_w> that's the right instinct, and if you could point towards the fix I'm sure the developers would apply it to the hardy kernel.
[23:37] <sectech> james_w,  imagine they would... I am still trying to find out how wide spread the bug is... I have been off for a few weeks and I just noticed this now
[23:37] <sectech> it was affecting my laptop for the last couple days,  this is the first day I could look into it
[23:37] <sectech> there might be a fix out there.
[23:46] <nullack> Can I please get a second opinion on bug 262788 - The user has now attached required logs and Im thinking about making the package APCI rather than the Linux kernel?
[23:48] <james_w> is there such a package?
[23:50] <sectech> james_w,  I was getting in a panic for nothing... I had the proposed repository enabled by accident
[23:50] <james_w> you have the problem with -proposed, but not with -updates?
[23:52] <james_w> ah, there is an acpi package, I'm not sure it should be moved there though, I would still suspect the kernel.
[23:52] <sectech> james_w,  With proposed packages arn't out of testing yet...
[23:52] <sectech> if an end user enabled that repository, they do so at there own risk
[23:52] <sectech> in my opinonj
[23:52] <sectech> err opinion
[23:53] <nullack> james_w: thanks Ill leave the package with the kernel and I guess the kernel devs can drill down from there
[23:53] <sectech> I tried to keep this laptop as "end user" friendly as possible... my desktop is used for testing... I guess I must have hit that by mistake
[23:53] <james_w> sectech: they are there for testing, if you find a regression in a package in -proposed please file a bug and state that it is a regression in -proposed package, otherwise it will be moved to -updates and more people will be exposed to it
[23:54] <sectech> james_w,  I am looking at that part now...
[23:55] <james_w> thanks
[23:55] <sectech> that would be very bad if that hits -updates
[23:56] <sectech> james_w,  I actually have a guy on #ubuntu-kernel (not part of the devel or any other team) trying to tell me that a kernel panic isn't important.
[23:56] <sectech> lol


[07:44] <Kilos> helloooo africa
[09:56] <stickyboy> Wow, R0ok_ is behaving badly.
[09:56] <stickyboy> IRC on the phone is just no. Just no.
[10:11] <Kilos> lol
[10:11] <Kilos> hi stickyboy
[10:11] <Kilos> irc from anywhere is ok man
[10:11] <Kilos> better than being missing
[10:15] <stickyboy> Kilos: The network quality is just... :D
[10:15] <Kilos> lol
[10:16] <Kilos> at least he is here. there are many others that arent
[10:17] <Kilos> im still waiting the the ubuntu users in your lug to join us
[10:18] <Kilos> for


[00:34] <ubuntu-studio> HI!
[00:34] <ubuntu-studio> can U hear ME novv?
[10:11] <cobradabest> Hey, does anybody know how to enable flash on Chromium?
[13:34] <bishops> Hi all, I'm surious to know your advice on getting an audio-interface that is compatible with ubuntu 14.04
[13:35] <bishops> a USB audio interface, that would work with a laptop.
[13:41] <cfhowlett> bishops can be done
[13:41] <bishops> cfhowlett: what can be done?
[13:42] <bishops> cfhowlett: or more importantly, how?
[13:43] <cfhowlett> bishops, ask #opensourcemusicians for recommendations
[13:44] <bishops> cfhowlett: cool thanks!
[17:32] <JOURNALIST> hi everyone
[17:33] <JOURNALIST> firstimer to ubuntu studio
[17:37] <JOURNALIST> none?
[18:51] <cobradabest> Can someone PLEASE help me?! Cinnamon is only running in software mode!
[18:54] <cobradabest> ...anyone?
[21:31] <studio-user093> hello, I'm trying to "reinstall" ubuntustudio... it seems that "Saving installed packages..." takes forever. How long is this supposed to take. After how long must I conclude that it's hanging?
[21:32] <studio-user093> btw: the console doesn't print anything...