[05:07] <Noxchi> Akiva-Thinkpad:
[05:07] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Noxchi, oh hey
[05:07] <Akiva-Thinkpad> hows it going?
[05:08] <Noxchi> all is good...
[05:08] <Noxchi> hows it there
[05:08] <Akiva-Thinkpad> finally just fixed a broken package that was stopping cmakelists from building properly so I could test the application I am helping develop
[05:08] <Akiva-Thinkpad> so
[05:08] <Akiva-Thinkpad> good now
[05:08] <Akiva-Thinkpad> :)
[05:09] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Want to do some more python?
[05:09] <Noxchi> nah not today
[05:09] <Akiva-Thinkpad> ah
[05:10] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Noxchi, so you arent canadian... right?
[05:10] <Akiva-Thinkpad> or are you?
[05:10] <Noxchi> nope im not
[05:10] <Noxchi> originally Chechen, born and raised in Jordan
[05:10] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Noxchi, so, you are free to stay, but you do know this is the Ubuntu Canada Locoteam chat, right?
[05:10] <Akiva-Thinkpad> oh lol, no kidding
[05:11] <Noxchi> lol
[05:12] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Noxchi, you should get involved with your local loco team
[05:12] <Noxchi> moi?
[05:12] <Akiva-Thinkpad> I am thinking of creating one fro my town
[05:12] <Akiva-Thinkpad> yah
[05:12] <Noxchi> i would! but i still need some more time
[05:12] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Noxchi, heh
[05:12] <Noxchi> to get to know a bit more and so ...
[05:13] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Noxchi, Well many people at the loco teams are just there for the company
[05:13] <Akiva-Thinkpad> anyways, I'm gonna get to some app development
[05:13] <Akiva-Thinkpad> while the night is young
[05:14] <Noxchi> yeah sure, i came to drop a hi actually... and i might need help so ill ask
[05:14] <Akiva-Thinkpad> yah for sure
[05:17] <Akiva-Thinkpad> brb
[06:02] <Noxchi> bbl.
[06:02] <Akiva-Thinkpad> o/


[07:02] <barnes> xnox: ok thanks, it was a speed problem when i patched a few servers in one region but was fast sometimes
[13:58] <LowKey> Hi, anyone can share the rsyncd.conf for public mirror?
[14:29] <ballot> LowKey: hum sorry, just saw your question and need to head out. Surprisingly I cannot find a documentation with a good example. However I believe a simple share is enough. The script mentioned at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors/Scripts is basically taking everything on our server shared by this : https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/GYFZNgGync/
[14:31] <LowKey> ballot: it's very helpful. thank you so much
[14:31] <LowKey> will get ready public mirror soon :)
[14:39] <LowKey> I've modified some , https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/ny6WwwDmBK/ , this is correct way?
[14:42] <ballot> Sgould do yeah !
[14:42] <ballot> Should*
[14:42] <LowKey> thanks ballot :)
[14:57] <LowKey> ballot: i just registered new mirror , hope can get approval soon :)


[00:00] <akiva-thinkpad> ajalkane, okay I'll push the merge now
[00:00] <akiva-thinkpad> it looks good too
[00:00] <ajalkane> yeah, well you can contribute in all kinds of ways and thats' cool!
[00:01] <akiva-thinkpad> okay its pushed
[00:02] <akiva-thinkpad> ajalkane, ^
[00:02] <ajalkane> cool thanks, I'll branch it and run a quick test on device
[00:03] <akiva-thinkpad> ajalkane, so you said the autopilot is done too?
[00:03]  * akiva-thinkpad runs autopilot
[00:04] <ajalkane> akiva-thinkpad: yeah I fixed the autopilot tests this morning, so it should be good to go
[00:04] <akiva-thinkpad> 22 tests ran, 22 failures :P
[00:04] <akiva-thinkpad> i think its my setup
[00:04] <ajalkane> umm...
[00:04] <ajalkane> might be
[00:05] <ajalkane> I know they work on my branch, but we'll see if Jenkins still complains
[00:10] <ajalkane> akiva-thinkpad: did you notice I put into "PathHistoryRow.qml" only "Authored by: Akiva"
[00:10] <ajalkane> Because I didn't know what information you'd like to have there
[00:10] <ajalkane> Normally there's full name
[00:11] <ajalkane> and e-mail address
[00:11] <akiva-thinkpad> ajalkane, heh think thats the first time anyones ever done that :P
[00:11] <ajalkane> you can change that if you'd like
[00:11] <akiva-thinkpad><EMAIL_ADDRESS>suffices
[00:11] <akiva-thinkpad> bah its fine to me; I have my lp page if I need to prove anything
[00:11] <akiva-thinkpad> thanks
[00:16] <ajalkane> Quick testing on device looks good \o/
[00:16] <ajalkane> I'm approving and we'll see what Jenkins thinks about this
[00:16] <akiva-thinkpad> \o/
[00:16] <ajalkane> there might be some conflicts with the translations, but I'll help you tackle them if needed
[00:17] <akiva-thinkpad> Not terribly sure how translations work, so it would be good to learn.
[00:18] <ajalkane> nah we don't have to worry about them
[00:19] <akiva-thinkpad> o:  if you say so
[00:19] <ajalkane> it's just that every time the app is compiled, the translations are regenerated. So you should not commit those regenerated language files. But no one understands that, so they go in merge proposals and conflicts ensue
[00:19] <akiva-thinkpad> holy crap; 4600 line change :P
[00:20] <ajalkane> Aye, let's see what jenkins says and continue from there
[00:21] <akiva-thinkpad> 2 failures it seems
[00:21] <akiva-thinkpad> file:///usr/share/filemanager/qml/ui/SettingsSheet.qml:34: TypeError: Type error
[00:22] <akiva-thinkpad> hmmm go home and go root
[00:24] <akiva-thinkpad> ajalkane, I'm going to run ot the bakery before it closes
[00:24] <akiva-thinkpad> will you be here in 20 minutes?
[00:30] <ajalkane> I will be here as long as it takes :)
[00:31] <ajalkane> I'm anxious to get this merged
[00:31] <akiva-thinkpad> heh okay
[00:31] <akiva-thinkpad> I'm anxious for some chinese baked goods (not chinese; its just a cool bakery)
[00:32] <ajalkane> haha... yeah good for you. I need to get some food too soon.
[00:32] <akiva-thinkpad> !cookie | ajalkane
[00:32] <ajalkane> omnomnomnomnom
[00:33] <bmatusiak> SIM Locked on maco is still effecting me i believe, has the fix been approved?
[00:34] <bmatusiak> mak0*
[00:45] <ajalkane> balloons: are you there?
[01:08] <bmatusiak> well i just noticed... i cleared cache folder.. and the sim lock is not active,  i restart and it comes back
[01:16] <ajalkane> akiva-thinkpad: there's some test failures, that only seem to happen on jenkins. I'll try fixing and doing a new merge proposal
[01:16] <akiva-thinkpad> ajalkane, okay keep me posted
[01:16] <akiva-thinkpad> btw, the bakery was delicious.
[01:17] <ajalkane> lol... I ordered a stake. Tastes good. I hope I finish fixing the test before it gets cold :P
[01:17] <ajalkane> * stake -> steak
[01:17] <akiva-thinkpad> ajalkane, was about to say..
[01:18] <akiva-thinkpad> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9vLF45jhdMM/UFaDGeWBEnI/AAAAAAAABpQ/qoWnO9BdtG4/s1600/Medium+Rare+Stake.jpg
[01:26] <ajalkane> akiva-thinkpad: I proposed a new branch with a temporary workaround for failing tests. Hopefully it fixes some things
[01:27] <akiva-thinkpad> ajalkane, cool
[01:27] <akiva-thinkpad> will merge asap
[01:28] <ajalkane> thanks... we'll see what jenkins thinks
[01:28] <ajalkane> I don't know how to test that stuff on desktop so it's a blind try
[01:31] <akiva-thinkpad> ajalkane, done
[01:31] <akiva-thinkpad> ajalkane, you do know how to run autopilot on the desktop though, right?
[01:31] <akiva-thinkpad> is there any other way to run the tests?
[01:31] <ajalkane> akiva-thinkpad: yeah I know, but it runs as desktop profile
[01:32] <ajalkane> it seems in jenkins it runs like it was in phone dimensions
[01:32] <ajalkane> and the tests take that into account
[01:32] <akiva-thinkpad> ah interesting
[01:32] <ajalkane> so... I'm just disabling the test when it's in phone like environment.
[01:32] <ajalkane> I have to file a bug about that if we get this merged, so that the test can be fixed
[01:32] <akiva-thinkpad> ah heh
[01:34]  * ajalkane waiting on jenkins fingers crossed
[01:42] <akiva-thinkpad> ajalkane, looks like it worked
[01:43] <ajalkane> akiva-thinkpad: oh wow...
[01:43] <ajalkane> now just waiting for the merged announcement and we're in clear waters ;)
[01:44] <akiva-thinkpad> ajalkane, what about dpm?
[01:44] <ajalkane> akiva-thinkpad: what about him?
[01:44] <akiva-thinkpad> will that pending review stop it from being merged?
[01:44] <akiva-thinkpad> ajalkane, I'll be happy when its merged as then we can start doing small patches again
[01:44] <ajalkane> akiva-thinkpad: shouldn't, I can do this kind of approvals
[01:45] <ajalkane> akiva-thinkpad: exactly
[01:45] <akiva-thinkpad> ah stellar
[01:45] <ajalkane> this is pretty big and important change
[01:45] <akiva-thinkpad> ajalkane, glad you guys liked it.
[01:46] <ajalkane> oh it's excellent. Great work akiva. I really like how FileManager looks and behaves now.
[01:46] <akiva-thinkpad> ajalkane, :D
[01:46] <akiva-thinkpad> ajalkane, yah working with the header was a lot of fun. What do you plan to do immediately after this?
[01:46] <akiva-thinkpad> I guess you have some pending branches to merge, eh?
[01:47] <ajalkane> not branches, but some changes considering Content-Hub and how to export and import data to/from FileManager is something that should be done
[01:48] <akiva-thinkpad> ajalkane, question; when are we going to get icons for filetypes?
[01:48] <ajalkane> Another one is multiselection, for which there is already a component but taking it into use will probably take some work
[01:48] <akiva-thinkpad> is there something in place yet?
[01:48] <akiva-thinkpad> do we need designers?
[01:49] <akiva-thinkpad> ajalkane, multiselect will be difficult. We will have to make a unique version for the phone and the desktop
[01:49] <ajalkane> That might not even need designers... I mean there's the existing icons in the theme that can be used
[01:49] <akiva-thinkpad> ajalkane, in suru? There arent that many.
[01:50] <ajalkane> akiva-thinkpad: yeah, desktop needs some love. I'm still constantly thinking about in purely phone/tablet uses
[01:50] <akiva-thinkpad> ajalkane, its the focus right now respectfully
[01:50] <akiva-thinkpad> there are a few core apps I am starting to actually use on the desktop now
[01:50] <ajalkane> it is for now, but soon the focus will be to improve the desktop experience
[01:51] <ajalkane> that's nice
[01:51] <akiva-thinkpad> "soon" means 15.10 I thinks
[01:51] <akiva-thinkpad> :P
[01:51] <akiva-thinkpad> which is fine enough
[01:51] <ajalkane> well, the work itself has to start early next year latest if we want to have something usable for year 15
[01:52] <akiva-thinkpad> Well the sdk is coming together nicely.
[01:52] <ajalkane> sdk has been working really nicely for the last few months
[01:52] <akiva-thinkpad> After the phone gets released, I have been planning a plugin for the ubuntu sdk that will allow for pair programming aka collaborative editting.
[01:53] <ajalkane> wasn't always like that. But now it's just no problems
[01:53] <ajalkane> sounds very nice
[01:53] <akiva-thinkpad> ajalkane, I wouldnt say "no problems" :P
[01:53] <akiva-thinkpad> but yah; its coming together nicely.
[01:53] <ajalkane> heh... well, I haven't had problems. I'm glad that I can run on desktop, on device, create click packages and deploy them on device. It's been smooth lately
[01:54] <akiva-thinkpad> ajalkane, fair enough
[02:05] <ajalkane> akiva-thinkpad: and it's merged! Thanks a lot for your hard work this. I'm really happy about this.
[02:06] <akiva-thinkpad> ajalkane, :D great now we can do more fun stuff
[02:06] <ajalkane> And please do further merge requests when you think you have some more cool suggestions
[02:07] <akiva-thinkpad> ajalkane, indeed. I think I may do some stuff with advanced options.
[02:07] <ajalkane> One thing that immedialy springs to mind is that when you open the extra actions from top header, they don't have the same theme - it's purple. I couldn't find how to fix it
[02:07] <ajalkane> sounds great
[02:07] <akiva-thinkpad> ajalkane, I thought you did fix it
[02:07] <akiva-thinkpad> is it still purple?
[02:10] <ajalkane> unfortunately yes
[02:10] <akiva-thinkpad> ajalkane, well your old merge that was wrong actually fixed that
[02:10] <ajalkane> but it looks kinda nice amongst all the grayness
[02:11] <ajalkane> hmm... I don't think any of my merges fixed that
[02:11] <ajalkane> I fixed the bottom edge pull thing
[02:11] <akiva-thinkpad> ajalkane, I definitely saw one that did. It was the one with the 5 conflicts.
[02:11] <akiva-thinkpad> oh yah that was what I was speaking about
[02:11] <ajalkane> but the one on the menu where you can access "New folder" etc is purple
[02:11] <akiva-thinkpad> ah
[02:12] <akiva-thinkpad> lol
[02:12] <akiva-thinkpad> http://www.reddit.com/r/UbuntuAppDev btw
[02:12] <ajalkane> right, bottom edge should be good
[02:12] <akiva-thinkpad> would be nice to have another sub
[02:12] <akiva-thinkpad> just working on the style sheet atm
[02:12] <ajalkane> alright if you can fix that, awesome
[02:13] <akiva-thinkpad> mmmmm I'm done for the night working on the app. Before I go home, I'll branch the latest, and have a go at it tommorrow.
[02:16] <ajalkane> sounds great! Thanks
[08:26] <akiva-thinkpad> ajalkane, are you still up?
[09:10] <ybon> I don't see the "devices" tab anymore on QtCreator after updating to Utopic, any hint by chance?
[09:10] <ybon> I'm aiming to run my app on my device, for testing
[09:10] <akiva-thinkpad> ybon, hmmm? Interesting
[09:10] <akiva-thinkpad> ybon, screenshot?
[09:11]  * akiva-thinkpad starts updating
[09:11] <ybon> http://i.imgur.com/04PWRbC.png
[09:12] <akiva-thinkpad> ybon, I believe you need to get the ubuntu plugins package
[09:12] <akiva-thinkpad> you appear only to have qtcreator installed atm
[09:12] <ybon> ok
[09:12] <ybon> let me look for that
[09:12] <ybon> thanks :)
[09:12] <akiva-thinkpad> ybon, yep i'll try to find the package name
[09:13] <ybon> found I think :)
[09:13] <ybon> qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu?
[09:13] <akiva-thinkpad> qtcreator-plugin
[09:13] <akiva-thinkpad> yah
[09:13] <akiva-thinkpad> let me know if that works.
[09:13] <ybon> yep
[09:13] <ybon> and thanks :)
[09:14] <akiva-thinkpad> !cookies
[09:31]  * ybon still don't get exactly what kits are and why he needs one for running the app on its device
[09:31] <akiva-thinkpad> ybon, good question
[09:32] <akiva-thinkpad> ybon, go to projects tab
[09:32] <akiva-thinkpad> and there is a button called "Add-kit"
[09:32] <ybon> akiva-thinkpad: I'm adding one already :)
[09:32] <ybon> akiva-thinkpad: mine was more a philosophical question ;)
[09:33] <ybon> I don't get the role of a kit in the toolchain
[09:33] <DanChapman> ybon a *kit* is basically a glorified chroot for cross compiling
[09:33] <akiva-thinkpad> ybon, I believe its for creating click packages.
[09:33] <akiva-thinkpad> DanChapman, do you not need it for click packages as well?
[09:34] <ybon> oh, you mean that even when running an app on a physical device (like my Nexus4), the app comes first compiled through the kit and then sent to the device and ran?
[09:35] <DanChapman> ybon, yes exactly. So you need it to be linked/compiled etc in an armhf environment for it to then get pushed and ran on the device
[09:35] <akiva-thinkpad> okay i'm not crazy :P
[09:35] <ybon> anyway, thanks akiva-thinkpad I got my devices tabs and such ubuntu things back on QtCreator
[09:36] <ybon> DanChapman: great, thanks, now it's clear :)
[09:36] <DanChapman> akiva-thinkpad: you can build clicks anywhere "click" is installed it is not tied the the device kits in any way :-)
[09:36] <akiva-thinkpad> DanChapman, hmmm good to know.
[09:45] <ybon> humm, I don't remember how I allow to build on device
[09:45] <akiva-thinkpad> ybon, emulator or device?
[09:45] <ybon> device
[09:45] <ybon> physical one
[09:46] <akiva-thinkpad> mmmm don't you just do adb push sraientaosrient /tmp
[09:46] <akiva-thinkpad> and then go phablet-shell
[09:46] <akiva-thinkpad> then... bah memory blanking
[09:46] <ybon> I used to be able to run app on device *from* QtCreator
[09:47] <ybon> I remember doing someting on the "projects" tab I think, but my memory is blanking too
[09:47] <akiva-thinkpad> Unfortunately I don't have a physical device yet, so I can't tell you.
[09:49] <DanChapman> ybon have you changed the kit at the bottom left of QtCreator. Just above the run button?
[09:52] <ybon> DanChapman: I don't have any "device" choice like I used to have there
[09:53] <DanChapman> ybon hmm that's odd. Ok under projects what kit does it say you are using at the top?
[09:54] <ybon> DanChapman: ok got it, I needed to go on the "projects" tab, and in the "add kits" selecting the "armhf"
[09:54] <ybon> and now it shows up on the switcher :)
[09:55] <DanChapman> ybon: great :-) now it should pick up you manifest file etc and you should be able to just click "Run" and away it goes.
[09:55] <ybon> yup, thanks, it works :)
[10:21] <zubozrout> Hello, I've been trying to create something for Ubuntu "touch" using qml. But I have some problems with screen rotation. It seems the MainView's dimensions are not updated and so the content that should be visible is hidden. I would like to update the screens dimensions and keep them in sync with the real screen, but how do I accomplish that? Thank you very much for your help. http://askubuntu.com/questions/541214/how-ca
[10:22] <akiva-thinkpad> ah cool
[10:22] <akiva-thinkpad> you included a question and everything :)
[10:22] <akiva-thinkpad> ah
[10:22] <akiva-thinkpad> Apparently I have a short memory
[10:23] <akiva-thinkpad> zubozrout, do you know about anchors?
[10:24] <zubozrout> I am a beginner in QML, but yes, I've bumped into them.
[10:24] <akiva-thinkpad> zubozrout, okay great
[10:25] <akiva-thinkpad> so every thing in qml, or just about everything, is a rectangle
[10:26] <akiva-thinkpad> like for example, a Text {} component's rectangle is as long as the string, and as tall as the text
[10:26] <DanChapman> akiva-thinkpad: Item actually ;-p
[10:26] <akiva-thinkpad> !cookie | DanChapman
[10:26] <akiva-thinkpad> :D
[10:27] <akiva-thinkpad> zubozrout, anyways if it is a rectangle, you have 6? properties
[10:27] <akiva-thinkpad> the left side
[10:27] <akiva-thinkpad> the right side
[10:27] <akiva-thinkpad> the top side
[10:27] <akiva-thinkpad> the bottom side
[10:27] <akiva-thinkpad> the vertical center
[10:27] <akiva-thinkpad> the horizontal center
[10:28] <akiva-thinkpad> and then you also have the fill
[10:29] <zubozrout> akiva-thinkpad, ok, I understand that, seems simple and it makes sense.
[10:29] <akiva-thinkpad> zubozrout, great
[10:30] <akiva-thinkpad> zubozrout, so lets say you have a page
[10:30] <akiva-thinkpad> And you anchors.bottom: myPage.bottom
[10:31] <akiva-thinkpad> ah sorry let me make that more clear
[10:31] <akiva-thinkpad> you have a page, and you have a rectangle
[10:31] <akiva-thinkpad> in the rectangle, you set this property
[10:31] <akiva-thinkpad>  anchors.bottom: myPage.bottom
[10:32] <akiva-thinkpad> so now, no matter what happens, the bottom of the rectangle will always be kissing the bottom of the page.
[10:32] <akiva-thinkpad> if you set another property,
[10:32] <akiva-thinkpad> anchors.top: myPage.verticalCenter
[10:33] <akiva-thinkpad> then the rectangles height will always be half the height of the page
[10:34] <akiva-thinkpad> zubozrout, http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qtquick-positioning-anchors.html
[10:34]  * akiva-thinkpad is very tired btw;
[10:34] <akiva-thinkpad> and it looks like the rain has died down, and so I am going to make my way home
[10:35] <zubozrout> akiva-thinkpad, :), so if I switch from width: x and height: y to anchors, all my problems should be solved :), thank you very much, I'll definitely give it a try.
[10:35] <akiva-thinkpad> zubozrout, stick around btw, and come subscribe here http://www.reddit.com/r/UbuntuAppDev/
[10:35] <akiva-thinkpad> zubozrout, when you have screenshots of your app, POST THEM!
[10:35] <akiva-thinkpad> We'd love to see them
[10:35] <akiva-thinkpad> and test them :)
[10:36] <zubozrout> akiva-thinkpad, thank you very much fro your help. I'll :), thanks :)).
[10:36] <akiva-thinkpad> !cookies
[10:36] <akiva-thinkpad> !celebrate
[10:36] <akiva-thinkpad> bah
[10:46] <vitimiti> Hi
[11:15] <zubozrout> Well, I've changed my rectangle from width and height to anchors, but when I rotate the screen, it still doesn't work as it should. If I resize the app's window on my computer, it works as it should (and it worked before), but rotation is still broken.
[11:16] <zubozrout> My code: MainView { automaticOrientation: true useDeprecatedToolbar: false width: units.gu(100) height: units.gu(75) Page { title: i18n.tr("Title") Rectangle { anchors.fill: parent ...
[11:18] <zubozrout> anchors.top: parent.top also didn't work ... so, if I am right, the problem is, as I suspected, with the page or MainView keeping it's original height, before the screen was rotated.
[11:39] <zubozrout> Here are some photos taken quickly with a potato to help me explain my problem: https://plus.google.com/117415521410663758843/posts/NxtEsJV44K7
[11:49] <DanChapman> zubozrout: can you paste the code somewhere. It looks like the height it bound to the wrong object atm
[12:08] <zubozrout> DanChapman: http://pastebin.com/tEDVW6FW
[12:37] <DanChapman> zubozrout: It looks like that could be a bug in the MainView's OrientationHelper. It looks as though the page isn't being clipped properly to accomodate the header so the rectangle ends up overlaying it. You should file a bug for it (if there isn't one already)
[13:41] <danielbe> hello! I just published a click application that was rejected by the  ca_pkgme_service_bot. It states that ubuntu-sdk-14-10 is not a supported framework. It however exists on utopic under ls  /usr/share/click/frameworks/
[13:43] <danielbe> Which framework should I use?
[14:17] <sas> hi community.... I just want to know how long does it take to approve an ubuntu app submitted to ubuntu software center...
[14:18] <sas> hi community... pls help.. .... I just want to know how long does it take to approve an ubuntu app submitted to ubuntu software center...
[14:20] <ajalkane> I'm sorry but I have no idea. Typically these things take days but not weeks.
[14:22] <sas> sir I have submitted my app weeks ago but even though its under pending review status....
[14:26] <popey> sas: hiya, we had a long backlog of apps
[14:27] <sas> I am sorry sir.... but can you please tell me how long will it take to be reviewed..... please sir..
[14:30] <popey> sas: I don't know, I'm not on the team doing the reviews. I know the reviews are being processed as fast as they can
[14:31] <sas> Sir I just want to know one more thing... sir how to start developing apps for ubuntu desktop in html5.... can it read writes files
[14:41] <sas> Sir I just want to know one more thing... sir how to start developing apps for ubuntu desktop in html5.... can it read writes files
[19:24] <mihir> popey: if you around , does this look good ,http://i.imgur.com/7MyWwGh.png ?
[19:26] <mihir> we have sync on top  : D
[20:14] <vitimiti> Hi
[21:03] <daker> mihir: i prefer a square instead of a rectangle
[21:05] <mihir> daker: let me try that.
[21:06] <mihir> daker: you mean with some readius ?
[21:07] <mihir> radius&
[21:07] <daker> no just a square
[21:09] <mihir> daker: http://i.imgur.com/Vca7oLq.png
[21:10] <daker> mihir: yes


[00:17] <floown> dougl: I have desactivated the 3D acceleration and it works now
[02:07] <Guest15259> ola
[02:08] <mattnpat> Wha?
[02:08] <Guest15259> brasileiro
[02:08] <mattnpat> Someone talked?
[02:08] <Guest15259> ???
[02:08] <mattnpat> Have you tried turning it off and on?
[02:08] <mattnpat> Edit fstab.
[02:08] <Guest15259> help exit
[02:08] <mattnpat> What?
[02:08] <mattnpat> Help exit?
[02:08] <Guest15259> ?
[02:08] <Guest15259> sorry
[02:08] <mattnpat> You need to exit something?
[02:09] <Guest15259> i am from brasil
[02:09] <Guest15259> bay
[02:09] <mattnpat> Oh, I understand.
[02:09] <mattnpat> Describe the problem.
[02:09] <Guest15259> kkkk
[02:09] <Guest15259> sorry
[02:09] <Guest15259> no sping ingles
[02:09] <Guest15259> no ingles
[02:09] <Guest15259> sorry
[02:09] <Guest15259> ate
[02:10] <mattnpat> You don't speak english?
[02:10] <mattnpat> Am I scaring you away?
[02:10] <Guest15259> yes, no speak english
[02:10] <mattnpat> Ugh.
[02:10] <mattnpat> I don't believe you?
[02:10] <mattnpat> I think?
[02:11] <Guest15259> yes
[02:11] <Guest15259> bay, bay
[02:11] <mattnpat> Okay.
[02:11] <mattnpat> Jesus christ, I should get my shit together.
[02:12] <mattnpat> I don't even fucking use Kubuntu.
[02:12] <mattnpat> Quassel just connected to this channel by default.
[02:18] <mattnpat> Ugh.
[06:45] <James0r> is this the channel for kde 5 support/talk ?
[06:46] <James0r> having issues with kwin repeatedly crashing when i enable compositing. had no issues on kde4
[06:56] <valorie> James0r, more on #ubuntu+1
[06:56] <valorie> and issues with kwin, probably best on #plasma
[06:57] <valorie> very early morning for the kwin devels though
[06:58] <James0r> right right. i'm out in asia so used to long waits for replies :)
[06:59] <James0r> valorie: thx. i'll try #plasma
[08:41] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:15] <soee_> good morning
[09:20] <lordievader> Hey soee_, how are you?
[09:21] <soee_> lordievader: im fine, you :) ?
[09:22] <lordievader> Struggeling with a radeon driver.
[09:23] <soee_> and i can't help you here :) i had never in my life any ati cards
[09:23] <lordievader> soee_: It's also on gentoo.
[09:23] <soee_> oh, even more unknown zone for me
[11:15] <Lynoure> I have a weird network manager problem
[11:16] <Lynoure> When I now try to connect to a VPN, the network manager says "Needs authorization" (that's normal), but the window asking for password does not show anywhere on either of my Activities
[11:16] <Lynoure> How can I find it?
[11:42] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:43] <Captain_Haddock> Hi BluesKaj
[11:43] <BluesKaj> Hey Captain_Haddock
[14:52] <designbybeck> Why do media keys on keyboards work out of the box with Ubuntu but not Kubuntu?
[14:57] <lordievader> designbybeck: Because nothing has been bound to them?
[14:59] <lordievader> designbybeck: Also please don't crosspost.
[14:59] <designbybeck> not everyone is in the same channels... and them not being bound doesn't explain why they work in Ubuntu, but not Kubuntu. I don't know why that isn't a standard default in Kubuntu
[15:16] <likemindead> Been a Xubuntu user for many years. Looking to try Kubuntu. Convince me?
[15:27] <Captain_Haddock> likemindead: That's what the Live DVD is for :)
[15:28] <designbybeck> likemindead, I do recommend trying out the Numix theme! Here is a good video showing how to set it up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzlJsIXStg0
[15:30] <likemindead> My laptop is eight years old, a Lenovo 3000 N100. I upped the RAM to the max 2GB. Think it will run Kubuntu well?
[15:37] <lordievader> likemindead: Yes. Though browsers with a lot of tabs open will likely kill it.
[15:37] <lordievader> My old laptop was a c2d with 2Gb ram, ran fine.
[15:38] <likemindead> Score. I don't do much on here. Web browser, XChat, occasional LibreOffice, & some NES/SNES/SEGA emulation.
[15:42] <lordievader> likemindead: Should suffice then ;) Try a live-dvd/usb I'd say.
[17:43] <ngaio> What do I need to install to browse the Qt 5 docs? Qt 4 Assistant?
[17:53] <wxl> so if i turn my bluetooth mouse off and back on, it doesn't connect. is that to be expected?
[18:46] <rghvdberg> ok, I'm stupid ... can't change wallpaper of the desktop
[19:23] <akazuko> ?
[20:24] <alket> how do you mount the SSD from HDD ?
[20:29] <bprompt_> alket:   come again?
[20:29] <alket> bprompt_: actually problem is even deeper
[20:29] <alket> i have 14.10 in SSD , 14.04 in HDD , when i boot with SSD , it starts as 14.10 but ends up with 14.04
[20:29] <bprompt_> well... posting only a segment of the story, won't help eithetr
[20:33] <alket> bprompt_: what i want ,is to transfer my files from HDD to SSD , im in SSD now, KDE Partition Manager shows SSD , but Dolphin doesn't
[20:36] <bprompt_> alket:      what does kde partition manager say about it?   is it empty, does it have a partition in it? is it full?  does it have any data in it?
[20:36] <bprompt_> about the hdd that is
[20:37] <alket> bprompt_: https://paste.kde.org/pb21akoc2
[20:42] <bprompt_> hmmm that doesn't look like the kde partition manager :/
[20:43] <mattnpat> Come again?
[20:43] <alket> also this https://paste.kde.org/pjkbna22n
[20:43] <mattnpat> Do you have gparted?
[20:43] <bprompt_> hehee, the paste above
[20:43] <alket> now i tried from konsole
[20:43] <alket> since/dev/sda1 looks like iit
[20:43] <mattnpat> I'm not good with these things.
[20:44] <alket> yeah, talk about it
[20:44] <mattnpat> What what?
[20:44] <mattnpat> Oh, sorry, wrong IRC.
[20:44] <mattnpat> I'm using quassel.
[20:44] <mattnpat> Damn.
[20:45] <mattnpat> I'm supposed to be on some IRC for people with video games or something.
[20:45] <mattnpat> Bye.
[20:45] <alket> lol


[00:18] <robjloranger> rocco: type theme in the launcher and open the desktop theme dialog
[00:18] <robjloranger> rocco: then click the details tab
[00:19] <robjloranger> rocco: then click the check box at the bottom that say's "More" and edit the name, then click apply
[00:19] <rocco> ok Thanks robjloranger
[00:21] <robjloranger> rocco: yw
[00:22] <rocco> .)
[00:23] <rocco> i need log out ...
[00:24] <robjloranger> yes, restarting your session might be needed
[00:24] <rocco> ok, thanks again man brb
[02:29] <cornfeedhobo> is 14.04 still on upstart?
[02:30] <Unit193> Yes.
[02:30] <cornfeedhobo> hmm. i dont see how to start couchdb
[02:30] <cornfeedhobo> no init script, even though there is a conf for one
[02:31] <cornfeedhobo> is there a place for inits outside of /etc/init.d?
[02:33] <Unit193> Upstart jobs are in /etc/init/
[02:33] <cornfeedhobo> ooooh
[02:34] <cornfeedhobo> how come `service` doesnt seem to know about the service even though there is /etc/init/couchdb.conf?
[02:36] <Unit193> Would depend on if it's disabled or something.
[02:42] <cornfeedhobo> i dont think it is...
[02:43] <cornfeedhobo> man... upstart is the only init system i still dont get at all
[04:16] <david____> im having some touble with screen tearing in kubuntu 14.04, can anyone help me>?
[04:18] <dodger> david____: what's your setting under system settings->desktop effects->advanced->OpenGL Options -> tearing prevention ?
[04:19] <david____> automatic
[04:20] <dodger> try setting it to full scene repaints; depending on your GPU this may be a bit slower, but should help
[04:21] <david____> i also swithed to openGL 3.0 , but am not sure if it will help
[04:22] <david____> still if i move this chat window for exaple, the edges break apart a bit
[04:22] <david____> so still have the problem.
[04:22] <dodger> do you have dual monitors by any chance?
[04:23] <david____> nope, a single acer one
[04:23] <david____> 22 inched
[04:23] <dodger> interesting
[04:24] <david____> im using recommended drvier as well
[04:25] <dodger> i can't see any tearing on my monitor with full scene repaints turned on; sounds like there may be a problem depending on hardware
[04:25] <david____> I just dont get why its happening. I use to game with this video card but cant seem to run Kubunu lol
[04:25] <dodger> well, it's not that it's too slow - just that the buffer swap isn't synced to the monitor refresh
[04:26] <dodger> it could be a driver issue or an issue in the compositor somewhere, i can't be sure
[04:27] <david____> what do you think I should try to do if anything. I didnt have this problem when I was running solyk which is based on debian
[04:27] <david____> but for this distro I have it.
[04:28] <dodger> you could try rolling the driver back a version to see if that helps, but short of that i'm really not sure, other than checking the bug database and filing a bug if there isn't one about this issue already
[04:28] <dodger> i don't know if you want to start mucking with different driver versions to fix this though
[04:29] <david____> will I do any damage by chaging drives around
[04:29] <dodger> it's not likely, but drivers can be finicky
[04:30] <dodger> i haven't tried rolling back to anything than what's latest in the repository for ages
[04:30] <david____> i guess ill try the one that says legacy binary driver in the driver manager
[04:41] <_meme_> hi
[04:42] <_meme_> has someone experiences with mod_gnutls? I'm searching for the gnutls pendant for SSLUserName
[05:37] <TJ-> I'm experiencing a window-resizing issue on 14.04. With 3 X screens and 2 GPUs (GPU#0  Screen 0, GPU #1 Screens 1 and 2), on Screen's 1 and 2 resizing a window only allows increasing the width; reducing width is not possible. On Screen 0 it works correctly.
[05:58] <TheFakeazneD525> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0VedKKEJuY
[05:58] <TheFakeazneD525> art
[06:23] <filterBOT> KDE sucks
[06:23] <filterBOT> waste of resources
[06:27] <valorie> thanks, ikonia
[07:31] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:36] <bonk3rzz> its only 12:30am here
[07:38] <lordievader> bonk3rzz: International chat ;)
[07:57] <lolmaus> How do i disable middle click pasting clipboard?
[08:05] <valorie> I think in "configure klipper
[08:05] <valorie> down below all your cuts/copies
[08:09] <lolmaus> valorie: no Paste action/option in Klipper settings
[08:09] <valorie> hmmm
[08:09] <valorie> I know it is changeable somewhere
[08:10] <valorie> maybe it is "enable klipper actions"
[08:10] <valorie> although that is terribly named
[08:10] <valorie> I mean, what actions?
[08:11] <lolmaus> valorie: i use a Lenovo (ex-IBM) laptop with a Trackpoint device. To do mousewheel scrolling with Trackpoint, you hold down the middle button and move the cursor. This causes a terrible lot of false middle clicks. :(
[08:12] <valorie> lolmaus: look in systemsettings
[08:12] <lolmaus> valorie: i did that before asking. These search terms returned nothing in Keyboard Shortcuts section: clip, clipboard, paste, middle, mouse, click.
[08:13] <valorie> :(
[08:14] <lolmaus> valorie: there's a Paste action but it is not mapped to middle mouse button.
[08:16] <valorie> sorry I couldn't help
[08:16] <lolmaus> valorie: hey, i closed Klipper and the behavior was gone. Thank you for the suggestion, i'm digging deeper into this little bastard's options. :D
[08:20] <valorie> lol
[08:21] <lolmaus> valorie: there seems to be no way to disable middle click action. I guess i'll just disable Klipper then. Thank you.
[08:22] <valorie> how can one function without klipper?
[08:22] <valorie> oh my
[08:22] <valorie> but it is bad when it's misconfigured, for sure
[09:00] <lolmaus> valorie: it was not Klipper!
[09:00] <lolmaus> I found the option in Desktop settings! O_O
[09:05] <ALS-IT-NET-PC> hallo, we can you.......
[09:06] <ALS-IT-NET-PC> done connection....
[09:06] <ALS-IT-NET-PC> all right.....
[09:06] <ALS-IT-NET-PC> goodbye.....
[09:08] <lolmaus> valorie: but when i remove that option, middle click paste persists. :(
[09:11] <bonk3rzz> kubuntu 14.04 having some minor issues with Pithos anyone have any knowledge of this... music plays but no covers or thumbs up or down buttons
[09:56] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[13:31] <daum> This is weird I got a notification from muon that there are security updates (on 14) and when i click install updates it instantly to This operation cannot continue since proper authorization was not provided...was working a few days ago =\ it doesn't even ask for the password anymore
[13:31] <hateball> I've had it behave that way as well daum, dunno if it's to do with the new pam module that opens up kwallet on logon
[13:32] <hateball> As usual, one can just issue "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get update -y" in konsole
[13:32] <daum> alrighty easy enough
[13:32] <hateball> errr, upgrade, at the end
[13:32] <hateball> and not two updates...
[13:33] <daum> hah
[13:41] <tuxj> Hello everyone! :D
[13:41] <tuxj> This is my first time that I use this channel
[13:42] <BluesKaj> tuxj, hi
[13:44] <tuxj> I'm using Umbrello Uml Modeller and I simple issue to solve. Could someone help me?
[14:10] <Urba> Hi aall, can someone help me pls. I have Kubuntu, I use qt creator 3.1.0 with QT 4.8 and QT Quick 1.1. When i create project for QT Quick and open QML file. I cant click on designer because its grayed out. I cant move to QT5 because I use qt for Toradex T20 witch uses 4.8. Tnx
[15:24] <alket> how to remove all those holidays from calendar
[15:24] <BluesKaj> BBL
[15:24] <alket> I keep getting USA holidays , how come
[15:27] <dodger> i'd like to add more holidays to my calendar :P
[15:27] <dodger> i don
[15:27] <dodger> i don't get enough
[15:29] <dodger> alket: Kontact's calendar or the one in the panel clock?
[15:29] <alket> at clock
[15:30] <dodger> right click on the clock, digital clock settings -> calendar -> holidays
[15:30] <dodger> set the ones you don't want to not used
[15:32] <alket> dodger:  thanks friend
[15:32] <dodger> you're welcome :)
[16:13] <TheFakeazneD525> Reasons not to be AmigaOS
[16:13] <TheFakeazneD525> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1e/Amiga_Workbench_3.9.png
[16:13] <TheFakeazneD525> "Get Boinged!"
[16:15] <yossarianuk> AmigaOS from 1991 is still more usable than present day Windows.
[16:15] <yossarianuk> its should say 'bonged'...
[16:15] <TheFakeazneD525> :|
[16:20] <yossarianuk> The only reason I use Linux now is because I had an amiga....
[16:20] <yossarianuk> going from an A1200 -> Windows 95 PC was like going backwards by 10 yrs....
[16:39] <silv3r_m00n> is it possible to make chromium use system scrollbars (oxygen style) instead of its own flat style ?
[16:42] <TheFakeazneD525> silv3r_m00n: what version?
[16:42] <TheFakeazneD525> is it 35+?
[16:46] <lolmaus> I've created a panel launcher that executes a `#!/bin/sh` file. I want this file executed in a login shell. How do i do that?
[16:48] <smoof> fakk
[16:50] <TheFakeazneD525> :o
[16:50] <BluesKaj> lolmaus, add script in system settings startup ?
[16:50] <silv3r_m00n> TheFakeazneD525: yes
[16:50] <silv3r_m00n> no, 34
[16:50] <TheFakeazneD525> oh
[16:50] <TheFakeazneD525> so it still uses GTK
[16:50] <lolmaus> BluesKaj: huh? I don't want it run at startup. I want it run when i click the launcher.
[16:50] <TheFakeazneD525> silv3r_m00n: go into chrome/chromium://settings
[16:50] <TheFakeazneD525> scroll to appearance
[16:50] <TheFakeazneD525> click "Use GTK+ theme"
[16:51] <TheFakeazneD525> if your GTK+ 2 theme is oxygen-gtk, then it should work
[16:51] <TheFakeazneD525> otherwise change it to oxygen-gtk
[16:52] <lolmaus> BluesKaj: an exerpt from man bash: Make this shell act as if it had been directly invoked by login. When the shell is interactive, this is equivalent to starting a login shell with ‘exec -l bash’. When the shell is not interactive, the login shell startup files will be executed. ‘exec bash -l’ or ‘exec bash --login’ will replace the current shell with a Bash login shell. See Bash Startup Files, for a description of the special behavior of a
[16:52] <lolmaus> login shell.
[16:52] <lolmaus> That's for `bash -l`
[16:52] <lolmaus> But i've heard that Ubuntu is no longer using bash as a default shell.
[16:53] <TheFakeazneD525> lolmaus: wat
[16:53] <TheFakeazneD525> bash is like, _THE_ shell
[16:57] <lolmaus> TheFakeazneD525: thx, i'll use `bash -l command` then
[16:58] <BluesKaj> lolmaus, check the script option in your text file, 'tools'>mode>scripts>bash, maybe
[16:58] <TheFakeazneD525> I'm pretty sure its standard across all distros
[16:58] <TheFakeazneD525> or most
[17:47] <crissi> hello. i just upgraded to 14.04 and i have no devices on networkmanager applet
[17:47] <crissi> wifi cant enabled.
[17:48] <crissi> the wifi device is there and i can enable by sudo, also can do scan and that works
[17:48] <crissi> any ideas why the network manager gui isn't working anymore?
[17:51] <BluesKaj> crissi , open the panel cashew, add widgets type network in the search, then choose network management
[17:51] <crissi> i have that already
[17:51] <crissi> but it doesnt find any device
[17:51] <crissi> and ticking wireless doesnt work
[17:53] <BluesKaj> crissi, which wifi chip?
[17:53] <crissi> iwlwifi
[17:53] <crissi> the device works well on termial
[17:53] <crissi> i can bring up the device and scanning for wifi network shows me the network
[17:54] <crissi> s
[17:54] <crissi> 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Ultimate N WiFi Link 5300
[17:55] <crissi> rfkill show also:
[17:55] <crissi> rfkill list all
[17:55] <crissi> 1: phy0: Wireless LAN
[17:55] <crissi>         Soft blocked: no
[17:55] <crissi>         Hard blocked: no
[17:55] <BluesKaj> crissi, so you have to run sudo dhclient wlanX to connect?
[17:55] <crissi> no
[17:56] <crissi> i want to have the plasma applet operational
[17:56] <crissi> nmcli nm
[17:56] <crissi> RUNNING         STATE           WIFI-HARDWARE   WIFI       WWAN-HARDWARE   WWAN
[17:56] <crissi> running         connected       enabled         enabled    enabled         disabled
[17:56] <crissi> so i thing its a bug in the applet
[17:59] <crissi> how i can get the old applet back?
[18:00] <BluesKaj> crissi, look in the system tray, it might be hidden
[18:00] <crissi> read!
[18:00] <crissi> i can see that applet
[18:00] <crissi> but i cant enable wifi there and see no networks
[18:01] <crissi> the old applet: from kde 4.12
[18:01] <BluesKaj> crissi, run this, sudo ifconfig wlan0 up , then sudo iwlist wlan0 scan|grep -i essid
[18:01] <crissi> hrrr
[18:01] <crissi> as i said:
[18:01] <crissi> [19:53:55] <crissi> i can bring up the device and scanning for wifi network shows me the network
[18:01] <crissi> its still up
[18:02] <BluesKaj> uyeah , but you keep talking about the applet , do the config stuff <I poster
[18:02] <BluesKaj> I posted
[18:02] <crissi> yes because the applet is not talking correctly with network manager
[18:03] <BluesKaj> the applet is the network manager
[18:05] <crissi> no
[18:05] <crissi> its /usr/sbin/NetworkManager
[18:05] <crissi> the plasma thing is only a helper gui
[18:07] <BluesKaj> nevermind crissi, just ignore me ...I'm not talking anymore , there's no point
[20:23] <clagiafra> ciao, ho un problema col terminale....non riesco a immettere nessuna lettera  il quadratino rimane sempre bianco e non traspare x scrivere
[20:24] <lordievader> !it | clagiafra
[20:25] <clagiafra> ok
[20:44] <bjrohan> Hi there. I am installing Kubuntu on a laptop with Windows 7 already installed. In win 7 I created unallocated space, and also created a live USB (14.04 desktop 64 bit). In the install screen, Disk Setup, I get an option to Guided, use entire disk (several options), and manual. If I choose manual, do I then simply select the unallocated space, make it Primary, and mount point is / ?
[20:45] <bjrohan> Sites I have gone to mention something about an install alongside Windows 7 option. I don't see this.
[21:06] <tsimpson> bjrohan: it should offer you the option to install along side windows
[21:07] <bjrohan> it doesnt
[21:09] <tsimpson> well you'll probably want to create at least two partitions, one for the root and one for swap space
[21:09] <tsimpson> and optionally another for /home
[21:14] <Silvershock> I'd recommend having a separate /home partition, and making it something like ext2, then sharing that with Windows via Ext2Fsd or similar.
[21:15] <Silvershock> If you're resizing an NTFS partition, *always* do that from Windows
[21:15] <Silvershock> What's the damn program I used to use...
[21:16] <Silvershock> Basically, you need to cram all the data on your NTFS partition into the beginning or end of the partition, then use Linux to do the actual resizing and repartitioning
[21:17] <Gooplusplus> Is there an equivalent working Chromebook Kubuntu 14.04 install via Crouton?
[22:09] <OvenWerk1> How long does a bug fix take to make it from kde git to kubuntu?
[22:10] <OvenWerk1> I am thinking in this case of the fix for https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=224200 fixed 2014-04-25
[22:11] <OvenWerk1> And will it get pulled into 14.04?
[23:08] <usuario> hola
[23:09] <usuario> alguien no esta durmiendo?


[06:20] <pavlushka> Kilos:  o/
[07:24] <Kilos> pavlushka  o/
[07:24] <pavlushka> Kilos: had ur breakfast?
[07:25] <Kilos> having toast now
[07:25] <Kilos> lol
[07:25] <pavlushka> earthquake!
[07:25]  * pavlushka feels when he munches toast
[07:25] <Kilos> struggling here with power cuts and no internet
[07:26] <Kilos> 2 days no power
[07:26] <pavlushka> Kilos: me struggled that 2 days ago
[07:26] <Kilos> maintenance here doesnt exist anymore
[07:27] <Kilos> the world is falling apart
[07:28] <pavlushka> aww
[17:48] <pavlushka> wb Kilos
[17:49] <Kilos> ty pavlushka  internet very bad
[17:49] <Kilos> worse than 2g
[17:49] <Kilos> and not even stable


[08:28] <klepas> anyone awake?
[08:28] <klepas> artnay: ping
[08:30] <artnay> klepas: hey
[08:33] <klepas> a.g.o has been very busy
[08:33] <klepas> they've actually been working on fixing their site
[08:33] <klepas> I think we need to get a build from them or something to fix up auc
[08:34] <artnay> yeah, I noticed the to-do list has been updated
[08:34] <artnay> will AUC still use artweb?
[08:34] <klepas> i sincerely hope not
[08:35] <klepas> i personally think something a bit more like the cms that gnome-look/kde-look uses would be more applicable
[08:35] <klepas> i'm sure there are set-up options to set it that content still needs to be reviewed/moderated first before being accepted and added
[08:35] <klepas> and that we could customise the look of it (some css)
[08:36] <klepas> I mean, we can stick with art-web, but it would need to be improved
[08:36] <klepas> a lot
[08:36] <artnay> I bet
[08:36] <klepas> because right now adding stuff is a pain
[08:36] <klepas> manually need to create thumbs, upload them via sftp and the same goes for actuall content
[08:37] <artnay> I know, that's a terrible process
[08:37] <artnay> should we update the wiki today? I spoke with Hernandez yesterday, he was quite positive on that
[08:37] <klepas> i can't m'self
[08:37] <artnay> I just came to work so I might have some time available a bit later
[08:37] <klepas> going to a party in a few hours
[08:38] <klepas> but i intend to work on it either now, or tomorrow
[08:38] <klepas> gstreamer 0.10 got released :)
[08:38] <artnay> we need the structure to be set correctly
[08:39] <klepas> i feel like craming most things on one page...
[08:39] <klepas> would make things nice and easy
[08:39] <artnay> so we're speaking of /Artwork
[08:39] <klepas> plus we can just stick in a TOC at the top for browsing
[08:39] <klepas> or something like it
[08:39] <klepas> yea
[08:40] <klepas> put most things under that
[08:40] <klepas> would make it easy :)
[08:40] <artnay> I updated my proposal
[08:40] <artnay> check the wiki section
[08:41] <artnay> should we move the Artwork pages to be on top?
[08:41] <artnay> then FAQ, Guides etc.
[08:41] <klepas> yeah, sounds alright
[08:41] <klepas> but keep that "Scope" intro there
[08:42] <klepas> FAQ section can go third or fourth
[08:42] <klepas> remember, if there is a toc it's very easy to get to it :)
[08:42] <klepas> how about this?
[08:42] <klepas> I'll create an "Artwork" page now
[08:42] <klepas> and put everything from "ArtTeam" in it
[08:43] <klepas> shuffle things around a wee bit
[08:43] <klepas> and see how far I get
[08:44] <artnay> create a separate contact page
[08:44] <klepas> sure?
[08:44] <artnay> under /Artwork
[08:44] <klepas> we can just stuck it under Members
[08:44] <klepas> mhh
[08:44] <klepas> how about /UbuntuArtwork ?
[08:45] <klepas> because there is /KubuntuArtwork
[08:45] <klepas> iirc
[08:45] <artnay> Contact would be better. the page would contain all members and their addresses, link to the mailing list and some info on the IRC channel
[08:45] <klepas> btw
[08:45] <klepas> i can't make/edit "Artwork"
[08:45] <klepas> because it links to ArtworkTodoProposal
[08:46] <artnay>  /Artwork would contain links to /UbuntuArtwork, /KubuntuArtwork, /EdubuntuArtwork, /XubuntuArtwork, etc. etc.
[08:46] <klepas> yea
[08:46] <klepas> so...
[08:46] <klepas> what do you want to do?
[08:46] <artnay> well I guess I'm able to edit it
[08:46] <klepas> go for it
[08:46] <artnay> I'll do it later today if it's ok
[08:46] <klepas> no worries
[02:10] <artnay> hi guys
[02:10] <artnay> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal
[02:10] <artnay> so what should we with previous versions? (artwork for hoary and breezy)
[02:13] <artnay> should /UbuntuArtwork be divided into smaller pieces?
[02:14] <artnay> so that Ubuntu wouldn't steal the main focus at /Artwork
[02:15] <artnay> I mean, every *buntu page should contain their own list of Guides and Resources (palettes etc.)
[02:16] <artnay> FAQ should be at the main page
[02:17] <artnay> hey lllmanulll
[02:17] <artnay> :)
[02:20] <lllmanulll> artnay: hey :)
[02:23] <artnay> what about the contact page? should it contain all the members? (*buntu)
[02:23] <artnay> maybe some separation here and there
[02:58] <artnay> hey guys
[02:59] <lukacu> hello
[02:59] <artnay> want to help with the wiki?
[03:00] <artnay> if we split /UbuntuArtwork into smaller pieces, what should be there by default?
[03:00] <artnay> it has to be splitted into smaller pieces
[03:00] <artnay> but we're lacking the structure here
[03:01] <artnay> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal
[03:02] <artnay> hi Danten
[03:02] <Danten> hello artnay
[03:03] <lukacu> how about putting http://users.evtek.fi/~jirig/artwork-todo directly to the wiki?
[03:04] <artnay> lukacu: I was thinking that but renewing /Artwork is the top priority
[03:04] <lukacu> ok
[03:04] <artnay> then we can split that one and add more things easily
[03:05] <artnay> Danten: take a look here -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal
[03:05] <Danten> on it
[03:05] <artnay> but we need a unified structure to *ubuntu artwork pages
[03:06] <artnay> then write small introduction to /Artwork, introductions to subcategories etc.
[03:09] <artnay> for example https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuArtwork should be done from scratch. we should move those *buntu topics under a valid page and move ubuntu information under "Resources" or something
[03:09] <artnay> what do you think?
[03:10] <lukacu> i agree
[03:10] <artnay>  /Artwork/UbuntuArtwork/Resources to say
[03:11] <artnay> *g* we're scratching our heads because of wiki, I wonder when we get any "real" job done ;)
[03:11] <Danten> ^^
[03:11] <artnay> ok, let's keep a brainstorm here
[03:12] <artnay> what should be the structure of /*buntuArtwork
[03:12] <artnay> let's keep /Artwork as minimalistic as we can but also informal
[03:13] <artnay> *buntu artwork could contain Projects, Resources and what else?
[03:13] <artnay> GeneralDiscussion
[03:14] <artnay> what about contacting? shall we keep one contact page? or should the credit be given to right people under *buntuArtwork page?
[03:14] <artnay> it would be great if we could cross-link all this when using unified structure
[03:15] <artnay> so one wouldn't have to check four different pages to see what's happening in every project
[03:15] <artnay> where's our wiki expert, mhz? :)
[03:17] <artnay> what do you think?
[03:19] <artnay> if we split /Artwork and *buntuArtwork pages into too small pieces, people won't read it
[03:20] <lukacu> how about just organizing the pages ... no splitting?
[03:21] <artnay> ok, *buntuArtwork should contain at least Projects, Guides and Resources
[03:21] <lukacu> yes
[03:21] <artnay> lukacu: it's easier to organize when there's no any optional information
[03:22] <artnay> I mean, Kubuntu artworkers probably aren't interested how to make metacity decorations
[03:22] <artnay> so /KubuntuArtwork/Guides could contain guides to KWin decorations etc.
[03:22] <artnay> and /UbuntuArtwork/Guides metacity etc.
[03:23] <artnay> it's easier to read a page when it doesn't contain information that you don't need, therefore I'd split the package
[03:23] <lukacu> well ... gnome/kde stuff can be separated ... but logo and stuff like that ... that can be on /*buntuArtwork page
[03:24] <artnay>  /UbuntuArtwork/Resources could contain Ubuntu's logo, palette etc.
[03:24] <artnay> same for /Kubuntu
[03:24] <lukacu> is /UbuntuArtwork/Resources a separate wiki page?
[03:25] <artnay> yes, because it would contain a different logo and palette etc. than any other *buntuArtwork has
[03:25] <lukacu> but what is on UbuntuArtwork page then? ... only links?
[03:26] <artnay> Projects (clicking this would bring the goals for Dapper), Guides, Resources, what else?
[03:27] <artnay> Ubuntu and Edubuntu, probably Xubuntu could use the same Guides page
[03:27] <lukacu> yes ... but that are only links to separate wiki pages?
[03:28] <artnay> lukacu: look at the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal
[03:28] <artnay> a list view of projects and a small summary for each
[03:29] <artnay> FAQ, Licensing and Contact could be at /Artwork
[03:29] <lukacu> i see...
[03:29] <artnay> I don't know, I'm just throwing ideas here
[03:30] <artnay> Write first, then take a pause and think
[03:30] <artnay> :)
[03:30] <lukacu> and that is good ... throwing ideas :)
[03:30] <lukacu> brings some life to the art team
[03:30] <artnay> lukacu: are you scared of the idea? would it split pages too much?
[03:31] <lukacu> no ... i just dont like nearly empty wiki pages ... but thats just me
[03:31] <Danten> isn't it possible to include other wikipages on a wikipage?
[03:31] <artnay> or badly outdated pages
[03:32] <artnay> Danten: I guess it could be
[03:32] <Danten> with templates or something
[03:32] <artnay> so we could have a page for each and one page that sync to those smaller pages
[03:32] <Danten> so instead of links it includes the page/template/whatever
[03:32] <Danten> mm
[03:33] <artnay> Danten: I bet mhz has lots of information on wiki
[03:34] <Danten> then images could be uploaded at a section on the art.ubuntu.com page?
[03:34] <artnay> Danten: sure
[03:34] <Danten> wasn't it talk about something like that for a while ago
[03:35] <lukacu> that reminds me ... AUC ... there is nearly no activity ... i am the only admin for a month or so ..
[03:35] <lukacu> there must be something the art team can do
[03:36] <artnay> it's all happening behind the scenes
[03:40] <artnay> lukacu: ok, art-web could be updated. or maybe art-web could be replaced?
[03:40] <artnay> ask klepas for details
[03:42] <lukacu> the probem is the system behind the auc ... but that is a known fact ... manual uploading etc...
[03:44] <artnay> true. the version of art-web at AUC is outdated. there's been some progress at art.gnome.org
[03:45] <artnay> so it could be updated or replaced
[03:45] <artnay> currently it's really buggy, all those linkings to AGO etc.
[03:45] <artnay> navigation problems, admin problems etc. etc.
[03:46] <artnay> instead of whinging here, even I could help with that
[03:47] <lukacu> indeed ... but henrik (auc supreme admin) in a bit ... well i dont know where is he ... i will try writing him again though
[03:52] <artnay> I updated the proposal once again: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal
[03:52] <artnay> sorry about the layout and typos
[03:52] <artnay> I'm in a hurry right now
[03:55] <artnay> ok, I'm off. in case you have something to add, use the wiki. later mates!
[03:57] <lukacu> bye
[11:07] <mhz> hi
[11:08] <lukacu> hello
[11:20] <mhz> lukacu: hi
[11:21] <mhz> lukacu: upon request by artnay, i am unifiying some wiki syntaxis, so dont panic if i have slightly changed some of the pages you have edited
[11:21] <mhz> :)
[11:21] <mhz> I am not changing content, just moin wiki sintaxis
[11:22] <lukacu> no problem :)
[11:23] <lukacu> i am glad to see some activity
[11:24] <mhz> heheh, eventhough this activity is editing?
[11:24] <lukacu> better than nothing i say
[11:24] <mhz> indeed


[01:18] <wallyworld> veebers: i made some comments on the PR, we probably need to chat about them. let me know if you have a minute at some stage
[01:18] <veebers> wallyworld: ack, in process of removing the suggested deps.
[01:18] <veebers> wallyworld: I have time now if that suits
[01:19] <wallyworld> ok, let's
[01:57] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: the tracker workers need to offer the full Environ or CAAS Broker as these are used in several places and the downstream workers need the full interface
[01:57] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: oh, sure, but they could have another clause in their type-switches for CloudDestroyer
[02:00] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: i'm not sure I follow. Those tracker workers (originally just the one - EnvironTracker) are to provide the full Environ to downstream, and the guarantee is that any config changes will be reflected in the supplied Environ. Narrowing the type at the Tracker  output is the wrong thing to do IMO. Bt maybe I'm missing something. If it's easier to talk 1:1 we can do that?
[02:01] <babbageclunk> yeah, lets
[02:01] <wallyworld> 1:1
[02:47] <thumper> OMG...
[02:47] <thumper> found it
[02:48] <thumper> was digging through the code looking for how we get ports assigned for tests.
[02:48] <thumper> a lot of digging
[02:56] <thumper> hmm...
[02:57] <thumper> while part of me thinks we can wrap this... another part says I'm just going to be introducing a race condition
[02:57] <thumper> not one we care about, but one that will trigger the race detector
[02:57] <thumper> ffs
[03:12] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: i pushed the change we discussed but sadly testing fails.... juju.worker.dependency "undertaker" manifold worker returned unexpected error: expected *environs.Environ, got *undertaker.cloudDestroyer
[03:13] <wallyworld> so it seems the Get() does strict type checking
[03:13] <wallyworld> so i think we need to use the original approach
[03:15] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: No, you just need to add a clause to the manifold output funcs for CloudDestroyer
[03:15] <babbageclunk> in the environ tracker and broker
[03:16] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: here https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/develop/worker/environ/manifold.go#L58
[03:17] <babbageclunk> and here https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/develop/worker/caasbroker/manifold.go#L58
[03:17] <wallyworld> ah i see, so support both clouddestroyer and environ
[03:18] <babbageclunk> yup
[03:25] <thumper> wallyworld: the test port change is going to have to be a change in the agent itself
[03:25] <thumper> otherwise there are races setting the config and getting other workers to notice
[03:25] <thumper> so won't be doing it today...
[03:25] <wallyworld> ok
[03:25] <thumper> it is possible, just icky
[03:39] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: changes pushed. manually tested on both caas and iaas models
[03:40] <babbageclunk> cool - looking now
[03:43] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: approved
[03:43] <wallyworld> yay
[03:43] <wallyworld> ty
[08:03] <jam> while reviewing other code, I found a bunch of panic() calls in normal code paths. Anyone care to review https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8510
[08:04] <jam> veebers: balloons: ^^ somehow we have both go vet and go fmt issues on that branch. Did we stop calling scripts/verify.bash as part of the pre-commit check ?
[09:20] <manadart> jam: Looking at #8510 now. Just pushed to #8501 with sanitised address scenarios.
[12:26] <balloons> jam, Chris mentioned some needed changes to the check; but it was to ensure things didn't pass that shouldn't
[12:26] <balloons> Did you figure or
[12:26] <jam> balloons: I just wanted to note that I ran into it, I didn't dig in at all
[12:29] <jam> balloons: why is it that everytime I check ci-run, I see red, I click on it, and I see *lots* of green, but the one that matters is red.. :(
[12:29] <jam> :)
[12:35] <balloons> ;)
[12:35] <balloons> I like clicking the view tabs at the top. Unit tests are tantalizingly close
[12:38] <jam> balloons: we need a similar cleanup of $TEMP on Windows, thoughts?
[12:38] <jam> balloons: I'm guessing we don't have cygwin/msys there, right?
[12:50] <jam> balloons: i finally worked out: ssh developer-win-unit-tester powershell.exe 'Set-Location "$Env:TEMP"; Dir' | vim -R -
[12:50] <jam> and we have  ~11k files in TEMP
[12:57] <balloons> jam, wow
[12:58] <balloons> jam, the intent was always to spawn a new instance, but never could get the experience right; where we could ssh in on a fresh instance
[13:00] <jam> balloons: well, we have a weird symlink or something in %TEMP%, but I've deleted 10k or so files
[13:18] <balloons> jam, windows unit tests are now having trouble it seems after running brilliantly for a long time
[14:22] <cmars> good morning. could someone review this metrics-related PR, https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8484 ?
[14:23] <cmars> would be much appreciated :)
[14:29] <externalreality> manadart, really small https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8512
[14:30] <manadart> externalreality: Ack. Got 1:1 with balloons. Shouldn't be long.
[14:30] <externalreality> manadart, someone seems to have been making a effort to migrate all these retry attempts to juju/retry.  (Is that still a thing?)
[15:42] <externalreality> manadart, as far as testing for the upgrade implicit space names in 2.3 -> 2.4 - would you be able to provide more context around that.
[15:42] <externalreality> manadart, the upgrade step is pretty clear, but I can't tell what is missing from the trello card description.
[15:49] <balloons> cmars, there really isn't an on-call reviewer anymore. The Pr looks pretty straightforward though, just adding labels to the struct
[15:51] <manadart> externalreality: Want to jump on a hangout?
[15:51] <cmars> balloons: ok, yeah, that's it. Ive got a followup that adds the labels to 'juju metrics' output
[15:51] <balloons> cmars, I don't see a test for checking the error raised in the hook context
[15:54] <balloons> follow-up pr ready?
[15:57] <cory_fu> Is there a way to tell what feature flags are enabled for a controller / unit?
[16:15] <agprado> Question, has application Facade V6 landed? I see V5 as normal, and V6 with a CAAS flag.
[16:16] <agprado> I'm implementing `resolv --all` and I will need a new application Facade, but I trully trully don't want to jump from V5 to V7. That just looks wrong.
[16:19] <cmars> balloons: updated, is that what you had in mind?
[16:20] <balloons> cmars, looking
[16:22] <balloons> cmars, thank you. I approved. The PR displaying labels should be of more interest
[16:24] <cmars> balloons: thanks for the review. the followup's in progress, i'm basically just adding a labels field/right-most column to the output
[16:26] <hml> Is there an OpenStack version if this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1699930 - duplicate subnets cause spaces fail during bootstrap?
[16:26] <mup> Bug #1699930: Subnets are not associated with VPCs when using AWS <juju:Fix Released by wpk> <juju 2.2:Fix Released by wpk> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1699930>
[16:26] <hml> i just can’t find the bug
[16:29] <balloons> cory_fu, I think there is -- presumably you've looked at show-controller and model details?
[16:29] <hml> foudn it
[16:30] <cory_fu> balloons: I have, and nothing
[16:33] <cory_fu> balloons: I also checked controller and model config, and didn't see anything there, either
[16:55] <cmars> balloons: could you review https://github.com/juju/utils/pull/298 or find someone to take a look? it's a prereq for displaying metric labels.
[16:55] <cmars> and sorting on them..
[17:20] <jam> balloons: I realize no need for cygwin for ssh, but then I need to learn Powershell instead of just doing bash
[17:33] <balloons> jam, yea, powershell or cmd.exe
[17:33] <balloons> cory_fu, i guess perhaps the db, but then that may be more than desired.
[20:18] <balloons> cmars, a slice isn't inherently unique -- what am I missing in your PR?
[20:18] <cmars> balloons: the source, a map, will have unique keys
[20:20] <cmars> balloons: it's probably academic at this point anyway.. it looks like juju/juju at develop's HEAD doesn't build with juju/utils current master
[20:21] <balloons> cmars, ahh sure
[20:21] <balloons> cmars, fixing that would be appreciated I'm sure
[20:22] <cmars> balloons: that's probably too heavy for me to lift, but i can ping rog about it
[20:22] <balloons> cmars, rogpeppe has a couple outstanding PR's I wish he would land already
[20:22] <cmars> balloons: meantime i'll use local private functions to join the string maps.. maybe that's safer anyway in the long run.. less chance of keyvalues.Join getting changed and breaking things elsewhere
[20:23] <cmars> sometimes a little code duplication isn't such a bad thing, when the intents are different
[20:23] <balloons> cmars, ok. But I was kind of reviewing with that in mind.. since you put it into utils, it should have secondary use
[20:23] <cmars> sorting vs rendering vs ...
[20:23] <cmars> yeah, maybe i should close it
[20:23] <balloons> right.. I'm ok with it
[20:27] <balloons> veebers, are you going to bring juju/utils up to date?
[20:27] <balloons> I'm actually a little surprised it's not
[20:31] <veebers> balloons: update juju/juju to use newest juju/utils? yes currently working on it (rolled into the task of moving to charmstore.v5 from -unstable)
[20:32] <balloons> cmars, so I guess it is part of the big update ^^
[20:32] <balloons> veebers, ack, I didn't realize utils was caught up in it as well
[20:33] <cmars> balloons: yes, i think that's what i uncovered :)
[20:34] <veebers> balloons: fyi https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8498
[21:44] <wallyworld> thumper: did we wan tto chat about intrview?
[21:44] <thumper> yep
[22:52] <babbageclunk> thumper: hey, the failure we sometimes see where the API starts up is because we try to find a free port but when we try to open the API server listener it's been taken, is that right?
[22:53] <babbageclunk> thumper: so if I'm adding code to open a listener (which needs to be able to switch ports because it should be run in tests where 80 can't be bound), I should open the listener in the test and pass it in to avoid another case of that problem?


[12:25] <jbicha> RikMills: thanks for the calligra upload. Can you forward those patches to Debian? I want to push the poppler 22.02 transition in Debian once we complete it in Ubuntu
[14:11] <BluesKaj> 'morning folks
[17:01] <RikMills> kubuntu-settings (1:22.04.6) jammy; urgency=medium
[17:01] <RikMills> * Enable the new overview desktop effect by default.
[17:01] <RikMills> :D
[17:50] <ahoneybun> Oh snappp
[17:51] <ahoneybun> RikMills: <3
[17:51] <ahoneybun> Same default key combo?
[17:51] <ahoneybun> Also Akademy will be both in person and online this year RikMills valorie
[18:15] <RikMills> should be the default Meta+w
 I set mine to Super
[20:59] <valorie> ahoneybun: where did you hear that about Akademy?
[21:34] <santa_> hi everyone
[21:34] <santa_> RikMills: I'm holding a bit the fw staging, we are being hit by 2 transitions atm
[21:35] <santa_> one: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/auto-libwacom.html
[21:35] <santa_> two: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/html/perl5.34.html
[21:37] <santa_> the second one makes pkg-kde-tools uninstallable in jammy + proposed, but my hope is that tomorrow the situation will be better
[21:38] <santa_> if it doesn't get fixed soon, I might try to build fw anyway, with proposed disabled in the PPA
[21:40] <santa_> btw, I already have a the KA package ready to test
[21:40] <santa_> s/a the/a/


[00:04] <IdleOne> paultag: ping
[02:14] <maco> mhall119: wooo it works!
[02:17] <maco> mhall119: i'm not sure that hardcoding is actually doing anything to it though. it might be auto-sizing, because .set_size_request() doesn't appear in the gtk docs for scrolledwindow
[02:19] <maco> oh nvm. inherited
[02:20] <maco> mhall119: looks like that's for minimum size, so i guess you'd want to set it a size that'd fit on your netbook's itty bitty resolution, so then it can be bigger if it needs
[02:21] <maco> mhall119: thanks for figuring that out
[02:27] <Pendulum> maco: I miss you :(
[02:27] <maco> haha
[02:28] <Pendulum> but I am in a ridiculously large hotel room
[02:28] <maco> i just found a twitter account called @hipsterhacker and OMG that is so totally one of my exes
[02:28] <Pendulum> haha
[02:28] <maco> go read it!
[02:30] <mhall119> maco: awesome, I'll get it picking a reasonable min size depending on screen res, then propose it for merging
[03:50] <paultag> IdleOne: pong :) -- Got your PM, all set :)
[03:54] <IdleOne> :)
[05:24] <nigelb> maco: lol, that is a funny account
[06:35] <nigelb> AlanBell: Quality overdrive. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I hope I don't end up disappointed.
[06:37] <AlanBell> I actually don't doubt they can do the quality, it is the "no more rubbish" that will be harder
[06:37] <AlanBell> http://twitter.com/#!/humphreybc/status/72534000379506688 for those who lack context
[06:38] <Cheri703> heh
[06:44] <nigelb> AlanBell: heh
[06:53] <duanedeisgn> morning all
[06:56]  * vish *facepalm* : https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-users
[06:56] <vish> "… run Gnome 3 in Ubuntu, even though it is not officially supported."
 I need to file an MP for that :P
[13:38] <cjohnston> go ahead.. make sure in that MP you teach me django python and css
[13:41] <czajkowski> I'm breaking and finding errors all morning long
[13:41] <czajkowski> so annoying
[13:49] <mhall119> cjohnston: again?
[13:50] <cjohnston> I know, right.. he keeps breaking stuff
[13:50] <mhall119> czajkowski: you broken again?
[13:50] <czajkowski> mhall119: no I'm finding bugs on other peoples sites
[13:51] <mhall119> oh, that's okay then
[13:52] <cjohnston> no LD or summit bugs
[13:52] <cjohnston> :-P
[15:53] <nigelb>  oh boy, joey is back in action :D
[15:54] <joey> :-)
[16:11] <cjohnston> jcastro is starting in on it too nigelb and mhall119
[16:11] <nigelb> I noteiced
[16:11] <nigelb> *noticed
[16:11] <mhall119> starting in on what?
[16:11] <cjohnston> jcastro /j #ubuntu-website
[16:11] <cjohnston> mhall119: summit spam
[16:12] <mhall119> oh
[16:12] <nigelb> jcastro: what does bug 647131 mean?
[16:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 647131 in summit "Don't depend on a room being declared "plenary"" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/647131
[16:12] <mhall119> I'm still not checking my LP bug emails
[16:12] <mhall119> nigelb: if you don't have a plenary room defined for a summit, the whole thing blows up
[16:12] <cjohnston> kaboom
[16:12] <mhall119> some code in render.py assumes that there will be at least one
[16:12] <nigelb> mhall119: but that's because you've defined a slot called plenary.
[16:12] <nigelb> (or, isn't it?)
[16:12] <mhall119> nigelb: i think even without that
[16:13] <nigelb> ah.
[16:13] <nigelb> I'll look into this.  I need to dive into render.py anyway.
[16:13] <cjohnston> its like nigelb testing in production... it goes kaboom
[16:13] <nigelb> hey.
[16:13] <nigelb> I have my own test instance now.
[16:13] <nigelb> Although its not public.
[16:13] <mhall119> cjohnston: no, that's like jcastro making minor changes to display fields in production
[16:13] <cjohnston> lol
[16:13] <jcastro> die
[16:13] <JFo> lol
[16:13] <nigelb> Daviey and I make sure summit doesn't break when we test.
[16:13] <mhall119> you know you loveme
[16:14] <nigelb> what was it that jorge did that broke it for us? Change room title?
[16:14] <mhall119> yeah
[16:14] <jcastro> I changed the LABEL!
[16:14] <cjohnston> ya know, for someone who is filing summit bugs, i dont think he should be being mean to the summit devs :-P
[16:14] <jcastro> not the title!
[16:14] <mhall119> title == label
[16:14] <cjohnston> !fail
[16:14] <ubot2> Factoid 'fail' not found
[16:14] <cjohnston> see, even ubot2 !fail's
[16:15] <mhall119> someone really should define a factoid for that
[16:15] <jcastro> considering we went from "never working" to what we had last UDS I won't complain
[16:15] <jcastro> I used to just whine that we should switch to sched.org
[16:15] <cjohnston> jussi: ^
[16:15] <jcastro> but no longer
[16:15] <nigelb> jcastro: yes, hot fixing it was fun.
[16:15] <jcastro> cjohnston made me a believer!
[16:15] <nigelb> hehe :D
[16:15] <mhall119> lol
[16:15] <nigelb> The summit session at UDS was /very/ productive.
[16:15] <cjohnston> too productive
[16:16] <nigelb> yeah.  None of the action items are assigned.
[16:16] <mhall119> HoF session was my favorite, cause i didn't get any action items
[16:16] <cjohnston> jcastro, tell joey that he needs me in person in August
[16:16] <cjohnston> mhall119: I did :-(
[16:16] <mhall119> lol
[16:16] <nigelb> :D
[16:16]  * nigelb escaped too.
[16:16] <jcastro> cjohnston: is there a linaro summit or something?
[16:16] <cjohnston> I got the easy one tho.. tell me when your done and ill make it happen
[16:16] <nigelb> cjohnston: lol, no. I'm better. File bugs during the day, I'll fix it in my day time :P
[16:16] <cjohnston> jcastro, yes
[16:17] <mhall119> cjohnston: you and nigelb should just form an LLC consulting company that Linaro can contract out to
[16:17] <nigelb> +++
[16:17] <cjohnston> lol
[16:17] <joey> there's a change jcastro that linaro may want to use summit at the Linaro Rally in August (we're not going to Dublin)
[16:17] <cjohnston> Summit, LLC
[16:17] <nigelb> cjohnston: Lets do it? ;)
[16:17] <cjohnston> lol
[16:17] <nigelb> cjohnston: I have some work for you if you're interested in joining me :p
[16:17] <cjohnston> uhhh
[16:17] <daker> and cjohnston is FW some of his actions to me ツ
[16:18] <mhall119> nigelb: you're doing it wrong, cjohnston is supposed to outsource to India, not you to the US
[16:18] <cjohnston> daker: I am not.. I asked your assistance
[16:18] <cjohnston> mhall119: +1
[16:18] <nigelb> mhall119: I'm breaking the sterotype :P
[16:18] <mhall119> nigelb: then you do it cheaper than him, and he gets layed off
[16:18] <nigelb> hahaha
[16:18] <mhall119> laid off
[16:18] <daker> cjohnston, hhh
[16:18] <mhall119> my english major wife would slap me if she saw that
[16:19] <nigelb> I could tell her to look at that :P
[16:19] <mhall119> she's out this morning, so I'm safe
[16:19] <cjohnston> daker: you will not find ANY action items on what I asked your help on.. only the fact the nigelb broke it
[16:19] <nigelb> mhall119:  she just popped in on IRC
[16:19] <mhall119> doh!
[16:19] <mhall119> damn you Android!
[16:19] <cjohnston> mhall119: you forget I have her #.. I will copy paste + txt to her
[16:19] <mhall119> cjohnston: I'll deny it, everbody knows you lie
[16:20] <cjohnston> Wait.. does she have a real phone and you don't mhall119 ?
[16:20] <nigelb> mhall119: we'll copy irclogs.ubuntu.com :P
[16:20] <cjohnston> +1
[16:20] <mhall119> cjohnston: I told you, I'm buying one...
[16:20] <nigelb> Real phones make calls and send messages. Anything else is not a phone.
[16:20] <mhall119> nigelb: dang, forgot about the lods
[16:20] <nigelb> cjohnston, mhall119 ^^
[16:20] <nigelb> mhall119: hah.
[16:21] <mhall119> logs
[16:21] <mhall119> that's it, I'm going back to bed until Tuesday
[16:21] <JFo> lol
[16:21] <cjohnston> lol
[16:21] <cjohnston> JFo seems to be quite enjoying our conversation
[16:21] <nigelb> If I clean up render.py, I think I can get any developer job.
[16:21] <nigelb> JFo: :)
[16:21] <JFo> :)
[16:21] <cjohnston> Except you will insource it to me
[16:22] <nigelb> heh
[16:22] <nigelb> cjohnston: Right now, I'm doing some contract work for a guy in Switzerland who is backed by investers in the UK.
[16:22] <mhall119> nigelb: no, once you've been tainted by render.py, everbody will be afraid you've picked up bad habits
[16:23] <cjohnston> lol
[16:23] <nigelb> mhall119: well, after working with Daviey at UDS, everyone knows I've been tainted :P
[16:23] <mhall119> that's true
[16:23] <nigelb> but for the record, we did *NOT* break summit.  Unlike jcastro :P
[16:23] <cjohnston> Daviey doesn't even seem to be here to defend himself
[16:23] <JFo> d'oh!
[16:24] <jcastro> lies!
[16:24] <cjohnston> nigelb, you pushed code into production that didnt work!
[16:24] <mhall119> he did?
[16:24] <cjohnston> with the help of Daviey
[16:24] <nigelb> cjohnston: It was reviewed and merged.
[16:25] <cjohnston> you still wrote it
[16:25] <nigelb> It went *through* the process, not outside of it.
[16:25] <mhall119> so it's the reviewer's fault
[16:25] <mhall119> who did the review? check launchpad!
[16:25] <nigelb> Anyway, time to finish off that LP patch.
[16:25] <cjohnston> must be Daviey
[16:26] <cjohnston> now he is trying to break LP, which will break EVERYTHING else... he is just going for the mothership of all sites!
[16:26] <cjohnston> One line of code and break everything in existance
[16:26] <nigelb> cjohnston: coming from the guy who submitted 6 LP patches.
[16:26] <cjohnston> I didn't break ANYTHING
[16:26] <cjohnston> and IIRC it was 7
[16:26] <nigelb> see?
[16:26] <nigelb> You are twice more likely to break something on LP.
[16:27] <cjohnston> mine are all beautiful pieces of code
[16:27] <cjohnston> your trying to change functionality
[16:27] <nigelb> cjohnston: I'm *fixing* broken functionality.
[16:27] <cjohnston> it works, how's that broken
[16:28] <nigelb> Its a broken implementation. Blueprints havent had any love since 2006 or something.
[16:28] <cjohnston> they have had love in the last 6 months
[16:28] <mhall119> I'm pretty sure it was never loved, just tolerated
[16:28] <nigelb> mhall119: Exactly.
[16:28] <nigelb> cjohnston: Now stop talking and go fix summit :D
[16:29] <cjohnston> I'm waiting on you to send me my check
[16:29] <nigelb> cjohnston: for?
[16:30] <cjohnston> 11.15.44 < nigelb> cjohnston: I have some work for you if you're interested in joining me :p
[16:30] <nigelb> cjohnston: No work, no cheque.
[16:30] <cjohnston> I require 50% up front
[16:30] <mhall119> also they'll hold you pay for like 60 days over there
[16:31] <mhall119> 50% of $0.00?
[16:31] <cjohnston> shaddup mhall119
[16:35] <JFo> LOL
[16:35] <JFo> yeah, I laughed that loud
[16:35] <nigelb> heh
[16:36] <mhall119> at least we've given JFo an entertaining Monday
[16:36] <JFo> yeah, I needed it :-/
[16:38] <mhall119> fun times in kernel land?
[16:38] <JFo> depends on your definition... and if you are a Sadist. ;)
[16:41] <jcastro> jono: can you accept my U1 plan so it shows up on the burndown?
[16:42] <jono> jcastro, lets discuss it in our call later
[16:42] <jcastro> nod
[16:42] <jono> I am a bit busy right now
[16:42] <jono> sorry
[16:42] <jcastro> sure
[16:42] <jono> :-)
[16:44] <JFo> busy bacon
[16:44] <JFo> :-P
[16:45] <jono> JFo, seriously, life should slow down after UDS, not pick up
[16:45] <JFo> jono, I agree my friend :-/
[16:45] <cjohnston> +1
[16:45] <JFo> mine has taken a turn for the worse
[16:45] <JFo> well, that isn't entirely true
[16:45] <JFo> just well past busy these days
[16:46] <JFo> so likely won't be as jocund in here as I have been
[16:46] <cjohnston> I think I'm almost to the point where mine will slow down
[16:46] <JFo> mine us just getting started
[16:47] <Technoviking> Loving smuxi irc client/server setup. It is like the best of irssi and xchat.
[16:47]  * cjohnston goes to google
[16:54] <nigelb> jono: +1.  :D
[17:37] <cjohnston> obviously
[17:38] <Daviey> jcastro, True :)
[17:38] <Daviey> echo nigelb >> ~/the.list
[17:58] <JFo> Daviey, I thought he was already there
[17:58] <JFo> right below my name :-)
[17:58] <czajkowski> awwww I'm so loving barack O'Bama right now
[17:58] <czajkowski> he's addressed the nation in irish :D
[17:59] <Daviey> JFo, Oh, you are mentioned more than once on THE LIST.
[17:59] <JFo> Daviey, :-)
[17:59] <Daviey> czajkowski, That wasn't for the Irish peoples benefit.
[17:59] <JFo> I wouldn't have it any other way
[17:59] <Daviey> That was for the people from the US, that 10 generations earlier had a tiny amount of Irish blood and therefore think they are entirely irish.  Worth 30 million votes IIRC.
[18:00] <czajkowski> http://www.rte.ie/live/
[18:00] <czajkowski> you cna listen in
[18:00] <czajkowski> he's giving a great speech
[18:01] <maco> Daviey: the famine wasn't 10 generations back
[18:03] <maco> Daviey: and also, mixing wasn't acceptable in the US until the last century. my grandmother's ancestry is all irish, and it was completely unacceptable that she married an italian 50 years ago
[18:03] <Daviey> maco, my point still stands
[18:03] <Daviey> This speech is for Irish Americans, not Irish Irish
[18:05] <czajkowski> Daviey: shrup and stop ruining my moment here
[18:05] <czajkowski> I'm liking him
[18:06] <maco> i dont know about the speech, im just disputing "tiny" because non-irish-with-irish marriage was pretty unacceptable until my parents' generation
[18:06] <Daviey> maco, I agree i exaggerated.
[18:08] <cjohnston> hes trying to get reelection points
[18:09] <czajkowski> are ye watching it ?
[18:09] <cjohnston> ya
[18:09] <Daviey> czajkowski, When our country was in deep despair, we needed supplies, so the Irish sent us millions of shamrocks.
[18:10] <JFo> snerk
[18:10] <czajkowski> obama is a great speaker
[18:10] <JFo> czajkowski, I did like when he said "So you could say there's always been some Green in with the Red White and Blue." :)
[18:11] <cjohnston> czajkowski: obama may be a great reader.. take away his prompters and he is lost
[18:11] <maco> cjohnston: that just means he doesn't do impromptu
[18:11] <maco> doesn't change that he's *speaking*
[18:11] <JFo> Daviey, I'm Irish-American, though diluted a bit. and I still don't care much for him.
[18:11] <czajkowski> JFo: me too :D
[18:11] <JFo> :)
[18:11] <Daviey> i agree maco... being a good orator is more important than writing the speech.
[18:12] <Daviey> JFo, You just haven't listened enough to this speech
[18:12] <JFo> Daviey, naturally
[18:12] <maco> Daviey: its possible he wrote the speech too, its just hard to pull it from your head on the fly without pre-planning, notes, etc
[18:12] <Daviey> Turn it up, remember your irish roots, and vote Obama.
[18:12] <JFo> Daviey, not likely
[18:12] <JFo> :)
[18:13] <maco> Riddell once asked me why americans associate bagpipes with death
[18:13]  * Daviey wonders if you'd feel ripped off getting a really good seat, front row - then finding that he is facing the other direction.
[18:13] <JFo> I'd vote for Terry Bradshaw before re-electing Obama
[18:13] <JFo> :)
[18:13] <Daviey> Those people behind him must be really annoyed.
[18:13] <JFo> I love how half of them are hving to be woken up to clap ;)
[18:13] <czajkowski> they couldnt do this last week with the Queen
[18:13] <maco> apparently the answer is because the only jobs available to the irish 100 years ago were firefighter and police, so they died a lot and bagpipes became common at firefighter/police funerals what with them being mostly irish immigrants, so now the bagpipes are used at *all* firefighter/police funerals
[18:14] <JFo> maco, do you know why bagpipers march?
[18:14] <JFo> to get away from that awful noise ;)
[18:14] <maco> oh i love pipers!
[18:14] <nigelb> JFo: lol
[18:14] <JFo> me too, and I loooove jokes about them
[18:14] <czajkowski> heh they just cancelled the Angelus for this speach
[18:15]  * JanC wonders why people think only Ireland & Scotland have bagpipes  ;)
[18:16] <JFo> JanC, because no one ever cares to fact-find anything anymore :-/
[18:16] <JFo> it is sad really
[18:17] <maco> same reason people think flutes are all horizontal?
[18:18] <JFo> indeed
[18:18]  * JFo always wanted to learn the bagpipes... my neighbors however...
[18:19] <czajkowski> JFo: dont you live in the stix
[18:19] <JFo> no, I live in the township area.
[18:19] <JFo> Pete lives in the stix
[18:19] <JFo> :)
[18:19] <JFo> and I am certain that he doesn't want me to learn is his yard either ;)
[18:19] <JanC> not all bagpipes are "great warpipes" or the like  ;-)
[18:20] <JFo> JanC, I know. The set I had was smallpipes
[18:20] <nigelb> JFo: jono's new house! :p
[18:20] <JFo> just never could find a good practice place
[18:20] <JFo> nigelb, heh
[18:20] <nigelb> neighbours probably listen to his drums anyway :p
[18:20] <JFo> nah, they are here at my house until he has a place for them :-)
[18:21] <JFo> or do you mean jono's?
[18:22] <Daviey> Obama has made me so proud to be 26% Irish.
[18:22] <JFo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZclddLcOYYA
[18:23] <Daviey> Hmm.. He hasn't yet held a baby?  He is missing a trick there.
[18:24] <czajkowski> Daviey: he held 2 today
[18:24] <czajkowski> in moneygal
[18:24] <Daviey> oh, ok
[18:28] <czajkowski> oh dear gods
[18:28] <czajkowski> her voice
[18:28] <czajkowski> nasal!!!
[18:41]  * JFo kicks remote host in the naughty bits
[18:42] <nigelbabu> cjohnston, maco, JFo: http://edition.cnn.com/2011/TRAVEL/05/23/vacation.in.america/index.html
[18:44] <JFo> yep
[18:45] <nigelbabu> JFo: wait, you technically work for a British company ;)
[18:46] <JFo> nigelbabu, true, but I work for the US version of it
[18:46] <JFo> so the technicality doesn't go very far
[18:46] <JFo> I actually work for Canonical USA
[18:46] <nigelbabu> Ah!
[18:57] <maco> nigelbabu: a DD asked whether id be at debconf and i told him we don't get as much holiday time as europeans. he said he's french so more vacation than most of europe to start, plus works for the french government so even more than that, so he wont tell me how much time that is to avoid making me jealous :P
[18:58] <nigelbabu> maco: haha, according to that article, it should be aleast 8 weeks ;)
[19:00] <mhall119> maco: might be easier to ask how many days a year he has to work
[19:00] <maco> nigelbabu: that article said 4 is the EU requirement
[19:00] <nigelbabu> mhall119: lol
[19:01] <maco> i get 3 weeks for a combination of vacation and illness
[19:03] <nigelbabu> omg
[19:03] <nigelbabu> I'm on the planet
[19:03] <nigelbabu> on the launchpad blog
[19:04] <czajkowski> I now want a queen cake
[19:04] <czajkowski> with icing
[19:04] <cjohnston> me too
[19:05]  * nigelbabu ^5 cjohnston :)
[19:05] <cjohnston> :-)
[19:41] <doctormo> cjohnston: Hey, you needed my help?
[19:41] <cjohnston>  hey there.. was wondering if you could give me a little assistance on a couple of images
[19:41] <cjohnston> PM?
[19:41] <doctormo> cjohnston: Yes,
[19:43] <doctormo> cjohnston: No PM received yet.
[20:07] <JFo> jcastro, just saw the call for help template... me likey
[20:07] <jcastro> I know right
[20:07] <jcastro> we should have that for more projects
[20:08] <nigelb> JFo: help template?
[20:10] <JFo> nigelb, or response rather in bugsquad iirc
[20:10] <nigelb> JFo: Ah! Good idea.
[20:10] <JFo> yeah unde Unity/Filing bugs :)
[20:11] <JFo> under*
[20:29] <jcastro> cjohnston: if someone wanted the CSS and stuff for the ubuntu familiy of websites they would get them .... ?
[20:29] <jcastro> the design blog seems to have all the logos and stuff
[20:30] <AlanBell> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-website-community/ubuntu-website/light-base-theme
[20:30] <jcastro> thank you!
[20:30] <cjohnston> what he siad..
[20:30] <cjohnston> jcastro: the css on there is a little out dated tho
[20:30] <cjohnston> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-website-community/ubuntu-website/light-django-theme has better css
[20:31] <AlanBell> there are other variants of that for stuff like django/wordpress etc
[20:31] <mhall119> jcastro: there's the community-maintained css and html, and then there's also some canonical-maintained css/html
[20:42] <doctormo> It's a very useful branch, we should keep a few of our other brandings branched like that.
[20:44] <jcastro> mhall119: a loco would use the community branch right?
[20:52] <mhall119> jcastro: yes
[20:54] <jcastro> JFo: do you have a "hide comment" option at the bottom of bug report comments?
[20:55] <czajkowski> jono: you about ?
[20:55] <JFo> jcastro, I hope I do... lemme check
[20:56] <JFo> jcastro, I don't see one... are you seeing one?
[20:56] <jcastro> JFo: ok so I got confused, does that remove the comment for everyone? or just hide it for yourself?
[20:56] <jcastro> I see one
[20:56] <JFo> !
[20:56] <jcastro> I thought it was basically a "hide this person's comment"
[20:56] <JFo> I hope that it hides it for everyone
[20:56] <jcastro> but it appears to hide the comment from the entire bug report
[20:57] <JFo> that is what I asked for :)
[20:57] <JFo> no it was a desire to remove cruft
[20:57] <JFo> what server are you using?
[20:57] <JFo> so I can test apples with apples
[20:57] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/769812
[20:57] <JFo> give me an example bug
[20:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 769812 in linux "X120e crashes randomly (wireless?)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[20:57] <jcastro> is the exact bug
[20:57] <jcastro> I happen to be on
[20:58] <JFo> do you have greasemonkey scripts enabled?
[20:58] <jcastro> I don't think I do
[20:59] <jcastro> I get it on both browsers
[20:59] <JFo> hmmm
[20:59] <jcastro> so it's not a script
[20:59] <JFo> odd that I don't see it
[20:59] <jcastro> JFo: so are we supposed to make a judgement call if we see a junk comment or ?
[21:00] <jcastro> I feel like I was given power with no explanation, heh
[21:00] <JFo> good question
[21:00] <JFo> I honestly don't know
[21:00] <jcastro> nor me
[21:00] <JFo> I'm excited though as this is something I have been asking for since I got here :)
[21:01] <jcastro> do you have the option?
[21:01] <JFo> not that I can see
[21:01] <jcastro> ok weird
[21:01] <jcastro> why would I have it and not you?
[21:01] <mhall119> jcastro: are you an LP beta tester?
[21:01] <JFo> not sure unless you are a member of a team that is beta testing it
[21:01] <jcastro> not afaict
[21:01] <JFo> I am an LP beta tester
[21:02] <jcastro> I am in the registry though
[21:02] <JFo> way too many teams I am a member of
[21:02] <JFo> ugh
[21:02] <jcastro> maybe it's not rolled out yet, maybe that's why there's no explanation
[21:02]  * jcastro will hold off
[21:02] <JFo> what do you mean in the registry?
[21:03] <jcastro> the registry team, it's like some superuser-esque team
[21:03] <JFo> oh, hmmm, that is possibly it
[21:03] <jcastro> so I can manage upstream project links, etc. across the board.
[21:03] <jono> czajkowski, hey
[21:03] <czajkowski> jono: free for a pm ?
[21:03] <jono> czajkowski, sure
[21:04] <czajkowski> spank goo
[21:04] <paultag> ...
[21:04] <JFo> jcastro, wow only 9 members of that team :)
[21:05] <JFo> I gots me some high powered friends ;)
[21:10]  * jcastro makes shifty eye movements
[21:10] <jcastro> JFo: I don't like the implementation
[21:10] <JFo> of?
[21:10] <jcastro> seems you would do it like stack, where people would just flag em as they see em
[21:10] <jcastro> and after a certain threshold it just autohides
[21:10] <jcastro> instead of one person making the determination
[21:10] <JFo> well, for 400 comment bugs that isn't feasible
[21:11] <jcastro> true, but like, if only X amount of people can flag then you don't scale
[21:11] <JFo> and if we have said that there is a bug supervisor for the package (like we plan to) I think we should trust that person, but also allow a way to uncheck the hide this box
[21:12] <JFo> I understand what you mean
[21:12] <JFo> but in some cases that is exactly what you want, say security for example
[21:13] <jcastro> right
[21:13] <JFo> so flexibility is key
[21:13] <JFo> I think the ACL work being done will help tremendously
[21:13] <jcastro> the problem is over the years people think that bug trackers are forums
[21:13] <JFo> well, I hope it will
[21:13] <jcastro> "if you disagree leave a comment!"
[21:14] <JFo> true
[21:14] <jcastro> we should just say "from now on all non-useful comments will be flagged and subsequently deleted."
[21:14] <jcastro> the tracker should be all work/engineering based things
[21:14] <JFo> well, the big reason I wanted/asked for it was spam
[21:14] <jcastro> but then we went and added "opinion"
[21:14] <jcastro> grrrrrrr.....
[21:14] <JFo> not just of the automated variety
[21:15] <JFo> yeah, I hate Opinion
[21:15] <JFo> there is no place for it
[21:15] <JFo> were you in the discussion around changing those?
[21:15]  * JFo digs up the BP
[21:16] <JFo> jcastro, https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+spec/other-o-bug-lifecycle
[21:16] <JFo> we discussed the usefulness, or lack thereof of the bug states
[21:16] <JFo> some really great stuff possible from the conversation
[21:17] <jcastro> it should be like this
[21:17] <jcastro> "flag this comment as:"
[21:17] <jcastro> * spam
[21:17] <jcastro> * doesn't help debug the problem
[21:17] <jcastro> * discussion that belongs on a mailing list or forum
[21:17] <jcastro> and that's it.
[21:17] <JFo> and based on that either delete or just hide and respond appropriately
[21:18] <jcastro> or perhaps "* this is a me too!" which then deletes the comment but increments the "affects me"
[21:18] <JFo> we could even add auto responses to the e-mail they receive
[21:18] <JFo> I like that idea as well
[21:18] <JFo> in fact, that is where tons of bug spam comes from
[21:18] <JFo> the me too's
[21:18] <jcastro> right
[21:18] <JFo> at least for me thatis
[21:18] <jcastro> yeah
[21:18] <jcastro> could automate it too
[21:18] <JFo> yep
[21:19] <JFo> would make my life much more bearable
[21:19] <jcastro> sends you a mail "you put the words "me too" or "+1" in a bug report, we deleted it, here's some instructions on blah blah"
[21:19] <JFo> I've given up thinking it will get 'easy' ;-)
[21:19] <JFo> yep
[21:20] <JFo> so dude, get in on that conversation I linked you the blueprint for.
[21:20] <JFo> I think you will find the chat enlightening
[21:20] <JFo> LP team was way on board
[21:21] <jcastro> nod
[21:21] <JFo> as a matter of fact, I know where you can get the audio :-)
[21:21] <doctormo> jcastro just walked into my computer lab... a different one. heh.
[21:22] <czajkowski> http://www.recipe.com/images/cinnamon-churros-R136164-l.jpg
[21:22] <czajkowski> really want
[21:22] <czajkowski> and the white stuff you stick them in
[21:22] <czajkowski> like vanilla icing or something
[21:22] <doctormo> czajkowski: You make make those dead easy.
[21:22] <doctormo> can*
[21:22] <czajkowski> not from where I am right now
[21:23] <JFo> where were we when I was noshing on some of those? Dallas?
[21:23] <JFo> I think it was
[21:23] <JFo> so good.
[21:23] <JFo> hot AND soft at the same time
[21:23] <JFo> mmmmmm
[21:23] <czajkowski> yes
[21:24] <czajkowski> NEWARK airport is my fav airport
[21:24] <czajkowski> it has at least 2 of those shops
[21:24] <doctormo> cinemon mon cyne mon mon
[21:24] <czajkowski> plus a mac shop :D
[21:25] <paultag> was that english? :)
[21:25] <paultag> not the mac shop thing :)
[21:30] <czajkowski> I have some lovely friends really I do
[21:30] <czajkowski> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1416801/
[21:32] <paultag> czajkowski: that movie is about one of my best friend's uncles
[21:32] <paultag> czajkowski: it takes place in Cleveland Ohio (where I am now)
[21:34] <jcastro> jcastro_: hi how are you
[21:34] <jcastro_> jcastro: test test
[21:34] <czajkowski> surely 1 jcastro_ is more than enough :)
[21:34] <jcastro_> NEVER!
[21:34] <paultag> czajkowski: 1 too many, in fact
[21:39] <jcastro> test
[21:39] <jcastro> ok, all set. :)
[21:41] <jcastro> paultag: one more ping
[21:41] <jcastro> testing
[21:42] <JFo> tap tap tap
[21:42] <JFo> is this thing on?
[21:56] <paultag> jcastro: hey man
[21:56] <paultag> jcastro: ping pong pong ping
[21:57] <paultag> Wana see a man who knows how to graduate with style? I sure do -- http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/230783_1455600390287_1241640883_31458164_5891133_n.jpg
[21:57] <paultag> that is what's known as living the dream
[21:58]  * czajkowski high fives the loco council
[21:58] <czajkowski> we have teams submitting their re approvals ALREADY!!!
[21:58] <czajkowski> http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/05/21/teams-up-for-re-approval-re-approvals-for-o-cycle/
[21:58] <czajkowski> 27 teams
[21:58] <czajkowski> :o
[21:58] <czajkowski> I'm a member of two of them!
[21:59] <czajkowski> FUN!
[21:59] <pleia2> paultag: congrats :)
[21:59] <czajkowski> paultag: still a wee bit broken today are you
[22:04] <nigelb> paultag: zomg, you graduated? Congrats!
[22:04] <nigelb> pleia2: You'er back!
[22:04] <pleia2> nigelb: nah, still on the wrong coast :)
[22:05] <nigelb> pleia2: ah, stopover :)
[22:05] <pleia2> yeah, boarding in a half hour or so
[22:05] <nigelb> woah, its 2:35. I should sleep.
[22:07] <jono> nigelb, go to bed! :-)
[22:08] <czajkowski> jono: I'll tell you this when I see you on here at 7am!
[22:08] <jono> czajkowski, ooooooh...busted!
[22:09] <jono> :-)
[22:09] <czajkowski> :)
[22:09] <czajkowski> I came to the UK with 2 suitcases
[22:09] <czajkowski> how do I have more than this already after 7 months
[22:09] <czajkowski> I've just donated to a local charity shop a rake of clothes and books so that should help
[22:09] <jono> hah
[22:10] <czajkowski> ends of things like creams are getting plastered on my face
[22:10] <czajkowski> face has never been so well groomed
[22:10] <czajkowski> mental note: with cream on ones face do not turn on skype video and scare your parents to death
[22:11] <pleia2> haha
[22:12] <czajkowski> <--- classy bird don't you know
[22:16] <nigelb> jono: okay okay /me heads to bed :)
[22:16] <nigelb> Night all!
[22:17] <paultag> pleia2: thanks!!
[22:17] <paultag> nigelb: thanks!!
[22:17] <paultag> czajkowski: yeah, I'm suppppper hungover
[22:17] <paultag> czajkowski: ^5 to the LC! :)
[22:17] <nigelb> paultag: when are you *not* hungover :P
[22:17] <paultag> nigelb: you make a good point
[22:17]  * nigelb heads to bed for real.
[22:17] <paultag> nigelb: n8!
[22:28] <nigelb> bah
[22:28] <nigelb> spam wakes me up
[22:55] <JFo> I've found that if I shut the machine down that doesn't happen ;-P
[23:27] <Technoviking> OK who gave cooties to Kenvandine:)
[23:30] <mhall119> not me
[23:30] <mhall119> but I'll be giving him MPs soon enough