[04:21] <ikatnik> I am trying to install a new / different version of xubunt. Have downloaded package. How do I start the install?
[04:41] <moetunes> !install
[11:53] <vimar> Hi
[12:43] <ikatnik> Hello. I am changing / converting to a different version of xubuntu. Have downloaded and extracted .iso file. Now how to install?
[12:47] <cfhowlett> ikatnik, extracted the .iso?  no.
[12:48] <cfhowlett> use the ubuntu startup creator tool to make a bootable USB.
[12:48] <cfhowlett> boot from USB and install
[12:57] <ikatnik> Thanks cfhowlett. Searched for ubuntu startup creator tool. Found. Clicked on. By default wants to open with bash. Chose "open link". Then it went nowhere. Do I need to use a Cmd? If so, what?
[13:03] <cfhowlett> whoa wait.
[13:03] <cfhowlett> what ubuntu version do you have currently?
[13:04] <cfhowlett> the terminal command is usb-creator-gtk
[13:09] <ikatnik> I know the version should be obvious. Ran inxi -Fxrc0. Got specs, but not version xubuntu. Sorry, am new to this Am running cmd now.
[13:14] <ikatnik> OK. Ran command and it installed. Now ?
[13:39] <ikatnik> After installing ubuntu startup creator tool, how do I create the bootable USB?
[13:54] <diogenes_> ikatnik, use rosa
[13:55] <ikatnik> Thanks, diogenes. With all respect, how do I use rosa?
[13:55] <diogenes_> wait
[13:57] <diogenes_> ikatnik, here: http://wiki.rosalab.ru/en/index.php/ROSA_ImageWriter#Where_can_I_take_it.3F
[13:57] <cfhowlett> ikatnik, ?  you use the startup creator tool to create the USB
[13:58] <diogenes_> I had a lot of troubles with it, so I better use Rosa Image Writer
[14:03] <ikatnik> Sorry to be near helpless. I have downloaded the xz file. Now extract?
[14:03] <diogenes_> ikatnik, yes extract and doubleclick on RosaImageWriter
[14:06] <ikatnik> Image root, I assume?
[14:07] <ikatnik> Or Image computer, or some file(s) within?
[14:08] <diogenes_> ikatnik, what you wanna write?
[14:08] <ikatnik> Um something to get to the USB startup disk?
[14:09] <diogenes_> you wanna write an image.iso?
[14:09] <diogenes_> to usb?
[14:11] <ikatnik> to USB is set via a dialog box. File name image.iso ?
[14:12] <diogenes_> ikatnik, let's start from the beginning, what is your goal you want to achieve in this very hot afternoon?
[14:16] <ikatnik> Create startup usb. Via rosa image. >I need to enter a file name (I assume) in a dialog box called "Image:" which is either or within computer or boot. Sorry, even the exact terminology of "image" I am not so clear on.
[14:18] <diogenes_> ikatnik, there are 2 ways of helping you, 1. the quickest and less painful, 2. the longest and more painful (which doesn't guarantee a success for you)
[14:20] <diogenes_> when you decide after which one you go, let me know
[14:23] <ikatnik> I am not trying to be difficult. I am not expert in the least. Nomenclature is often a problem for me. But I value your help immensely and am very grateful for it. I have a dialog box open in Rosa Image Writer that asks for "Image:". Clicking on the icon to its right, which is some sort of navigation, opens "Computer" and "root".
[14:26] <diogenes_> yes, now you have to find where your image is stored on the computer, I assume it's somewhere in your Downloads folder
[14:26] <diogenes_> so when that "navigation" opens your "Computer" and "root"
[14:27] <diogenes_> you go to computer/home/Downloads and find your imagename.iso
[14:27] <ikatnik> OK. I can do that.  To a large degree, I do not have an overall understand of what I am doing in the way of creating an image, and or creating a startup USB. Though I do understand that a startup USB is a device from which I can boot the computer when the system itself (no removable disk or USB) is having a problem. I am realize how valuable one can be. Its relation to installing a new OS I do not understand.
[14:28] <ikatnik> Sorry if this is the slow and painful way.
[14:29] <diogenes_> ikatnik, you got it right, startup disk, usb bootable drive, bootable usb they are all synonyms
[14:30] <diogenes_> that means that you download an operating system as an image for instance xubuntu-16.04-64bit.iso
[14:30] <diogenes_> to install it on your pc you have two options to either write this image (xubuntu-16.04-64bit.iso) to a DVD or to a USB
[14:30] <ikatnik> Am about to create image of .iso for new (replacement) OS. OK. It now appears I am about to install the new OS (message that all data will be lost)
[14:31] <diogenes_> this will destroy all your data on the USB drive and install the files from the imagename.iso
[14:38] <Francis_> Hi, I'm having troubles to boot xubuntu, sometimes  it freezes after the grub. Does anyone know why this is happening?
[14:38] <ikatnik> Oh no. I need to get me another USB drive to use. Please stand by.
[14:44] <ikatnik> 'New' OS.iso writing to USB.
[14:47] <ikatnik> Image on USB. Go to install?
[14:51] <ikatnik> Now my system is not reading the USB. I might need to reboot and be back.
[15:15] <ikatnik> My system is no longer reading the USB. Should I try burning a DVD of the new OS.iso?
[15:18] <diogenes_> ikatnik, don't kernel panic
[15:18] <diogenes_> everything is under control
[15:19] <diogenes_> ikatnik, somehing
[15:20] <ikatnik> Not panicking yet. But soon...
[15:21] <diogenes_> ikatnik, listen
[15:21] <diogenes_> and try to reply as fast as possible because I have little time
[15:21] <diogenes_> is your usb attached to the pc
[15:22] <ikatnik> Yes, inserted into USB slot (of all places)
[15:22] <diogenes_> we don't need you to plug it in all the places at the same time, it will do if it's inserted into at least one
[15:23] <ikatnik> You have my complete and undivided attention.         One slot at a time.
[15:23] <diogenes_> what else apart from that usb is insetred?
[15:23] <diogenes_> inserted*
[15:24]  * diogenes_ whistles
[15:24] <ikatnik> An external HD. Which I can remove. Was preparing to move all my backed up files from a second USB to the external HD.
[15:25] <diogenes_> ikatnik, listen very carefully, unplug everything, literally any device from any usb ports EXCEPT the usb which does not work
[15:26] <ikatnik> Done. (very carefully)
[15:26] <diogenes_> now
[15:26] <diogenes_> what is the size of your USB?
[15:26] <diogenes_> capacity GB
[15:26] <ikatnik> 2 gig
[15:26] <diogenes_> good now
[15:27] <diogenes_> navigate to your RosaImageWriter folder once again and open it
[15:27] <diogenes_> tell me when you done
[15:28] <diogenes_> and one hour later
[15:28] <ikatnik> Done. It does show a USB (to write to). My USB just does not show up on the desktop (or file navigation) like I would like.
[15:29] <diogenes_> ikatnik, I told you, keep calm, don't panic
[15:29] <diogenes_> everything is under control
[15:29] <diogenes_> now
[15:29] <ikatnik> I am not panicking as fast as I can.
[15:29] <diogenes_> what do you see under USB Device section in the rosa
[15:30] <diogenes_> (and another hour later)
[15:32] <ikatnik> test
[15:33] <ikatnik> Sorry      /dev/sdb/  USB Flash drive (2003 MB)
[15:33] <diogenes_> ikatnik, I'm still waiting
[15:33] <diogenes_> ok good
[15:33] <diogenes_> now
[15:33] <diogenes_> click on the "Clear" button which is right before the "Write" button
[15:34] <ikatnik> Done. Says need to format device. Am very ready.
[15:34] <diogenes_> yes
[15:34] <diogenes_> continue
[15:35] <ikatnik> Sorry if I am jumping the gun, but no new dialog or evidence of how to continue (after clear). [How to format].
[15:36] <diogenes_> ikatnik, now unplug and replug your usb and tell me if you can see it now
[15:38] <ikatnik> Sorry. Still does not show up on desktop or file system navigation. Does show up in rosa dialog box. (same as before).
[15:39] <diogenes_> tell me what happened when you clicked on Clear?
[15:40] <ikatnik> Told me all data would be lost (more or less). Asked if I wanted to go on (yes). Told me I need to format device.
[15:41] <diogenes_> ok good, now go to the menu and look for gparted
[15:41] <diogenes_> wait, a quicker way would be running: gksu gparted
[15:42] <ikatnik> Very sorry. Which menu (where)? Rosa? Not being smart here, just mystified.
[15:43] <diogenes_> open terminal and run: gksu gparted
[15:43] <diogenes_> press alt+ctrl+t
[15:43] <ikatnik> Installing
[15:45] <ikatnik> Has installed.
[15:45] <diogenes_> run the given command
[15:46] <ikatnik> OK. Now (dialog box) open with GParted info (table)
[15:47] <diogenes_> now, click on the little box on the right upper corner which says /dev/sda
[15:47] <ikatnik> Looks like hard drive partitions (in my humble opinion)
[15:48] <diogenes_> after doing that, a drop down menu will open, you click on your usb device (/dev/sdb)
[15:48] <ikatnik> Shows big and little (HD and USB)
[15:48] <diogenes_> click on usb
[15:48] <diogenes_> make SURE it's your 2GB usb
[15:50] <ikatnik> Unallocated Partition (with triangular warning ! icon) shows USB 1.96 G (which is size of USB).
[15:50] <diogenes_> you have to right click on that "unallocated bla bla bla" and click on nw
[15:50] <diogenes_> new or create (I forgot)
[15:51] <diogenes_> it's "new"
[15:51] <ikatnik> "No Partition table found on device /dev/sdb"
[15:52] <diogenes_> wait if it's triangular sign, then you have to right click on that: choose unmount (or if unavailable choose delete partition)
[15:53] <ikatnik> Same message.
[15:53] <diogenes_> ok tell me everything you see when you right click on it
[15:54] <ikatnik> On menu, only "new" and "information" are lit up. All else (like delete) is grayed out.
[15:54] <diogenes_> and what happenes when you click new?
[15:55] <ikatnik> Get message "No Partition table found onf device /dev/sdb/"  .
[15:56] <diogenes_> ok look on the top
[15:56] <ikatnik> Done
[15:56] <diogenes_> you see the menus like GPartyed, Edit
[15:56] <diogenes_> click on device and Create partition table
[15:57] <ikatnik> Under Device, Can do. Says it will delete all the info on device. Go ahead?
[15:58] <diogenes_> yes but MAKE SURE ONCE AGAIN THAT UNDERNEATH is showing your usb device and not your hard drive
[15:59] <ikatnik> Got that (no HD). MS DOS type partition table (I assume, is default)?
[15:59] <diogenes_> yes
[15:59] <diogenes_> msdos
[16:00] <ikatnik> Done. No more triangular ! warning icon.
[16:00] <ikatnik> New brings up info dialog box.
[16:00] <ikatnik> Size 2002 MB
[16:01] <diogenes_> ok try to click on new now
[16:01] <ikatnik> +add?
[16:01] <ikatnik> Click on which?
[16:02] <diogenes_> yes add
[16:02] <diogenes_> and choose fat32
[16:03] <ikatnik> Did not see fat32. Might have been choice back when I had ms dos type.
[16:03] <ikatnik> File system is ext4
[16:03] <diogenes_> it's ok
[16:03] <diogenes_> now
[16:03] <diogenes_> what color is the little square
[16:03] <diogenes_> is it grey? green? blue?
[16:03] <ikatnik> Dark green.
[16:03] <diogenes_> ok
[16:04] <diogenes_> now look at action icons on the top, click on apply
[16:04] <ikatnik> Check Mark, apply pending operation.
[16:05] <ikatnik> "All operations completed successfully" which sounds good.
[16:05] <diogenes_> close that box and now right click on that again
[16:05] <ikatnik> Save details?
[16:05] <diogenes_> choose format to
[16:05] <diogenes_> don't save
[16:05] <diogenes_> format to and choose fat32 from the list
[16:06] <ikatnik> Applied pending operation (fat32). Light green small square.
[16:07] <diogenes_> ok all operations completed successful
[16:07] <diogenes_> ?
[16:07] <diogenes_> did you click on apply?
[16:07] <ikatnik> Yes. applied. Partition named /dev/sdb1 (done)
[16:08] <diogenes_> ok now close gparted, close terminal unplug and replug your usb and tell me if you see it now
[16:09] <ikatnik> I see it even without unplugging / plugging.
[16:09] <diogenes_> great job ikatnik you got it back, congratulations!!!
[16:10] <ikatnik> You are truly a wizard, and congratulations are due to you!! The USB appears blank. Something tingling tells me I am to go back to rosa writer and rewrite new OS.iso
[16:11] <diogenes_> ikatnik, wait
[16:11] <ikatnik> Standing by.
[16:11] <diogenes_> in possition standing by? do you play tom clancy's recon?
[16:12] <ikatnik> Sorry to confess I am such a dinosaur I do not play computer games. I waste my time in other, less constructive ways. Truth be told, this is a crappy USB I got for free at a conference with some dealers advertisers software on it, long gone.
[16:13] <diogenes_> ok now run in terminal
[16:13] <diogenes_> sudo apt-add-repository 'deb http://liveusb.info/multisystem/depot all main'
[16:14] <diogenes_> tell me when done
[16:16] <ikatnik> Strangely does nothing. Just shows   ">" from my hitting enter.
[16:16] <diogenes_> add a '
[16:16] <diogenes_> and hit enter
[16:17] <diogenes_> don't write it manually, just copy/paste
[16:17] <ikatnik> Too late.
[16:18] <ikatnik> Again, does nothing. Sorry.
[16:19] <diogenes_> write here the exact command you gave to terminal
[16:20] <ikatnik> Ok. Tried again with a new terminal. Checking to make sure command is exact.
[16:21] <ikatnik> sudo apt-add-repository 'deb'http://liveusb.info/multisystem/depot all main'
[16:21] <ikatnik> OK. I see the extra ' around deb. Will try again.
[16:23] <diogenes_> oh yeah it should be:  sudo apt-add-repository 'deb http://liveusb.info/multisystem/depot all main'
[16:26] <ikatnik> I know I came closer when it asked for my password. After that, the terminal went back to beginning without (seeming) to do anything.
[16:26] <ikatnik> Try again?
[16:27] <diogenes_> ikatnik, click this:
[16:27] <diogenes_> http://liveusb.info/multisystem/install-depot-multisystem.sh.tar.bz2
[16:27] <ikatnik> Working
[16:28] <diogenes_> did you download it?
[16:28] <ikatnik> I thing so. Asking if I want to open with archive manager.
[16:28] <diogenes_> yes you open
[16:29] <diogenes_> and then click on extract
[16:30] <ikatnik> Seems to have done. En francais.
[16:30] <diogenes_> ok now, if it's in your Download folder then navigate to that folder
[16:30] <diogenes_> right click and open terminal here
[16:31] <diogenes_> after terminal opens you run: sudo ./install-depot-multisystem.sh
[16:34] <ikatnik> I am a bit lost. It ran something called "install-depot-multisystem.sh" in french (which is not a problem) /home user cache ...
[16:34] <ikatnik> But did not run in terminal.
[16:35] <diogenes_> ikatnik, open the terminal
[16:35] <ikatnik> Ready
[16:35] <diogenes_> run: cd ~/Downloads (if it's called downloads in french)
[16:37] <ikatnik> Does nothing. Wan me to look up "downloads" in French?
[16:38] <diogenes_> ikatnik, I've got roughly 5 minutes so hurry up
[16:38] <diogenes_> run pwd
[16:38] <diogenes_> and tell me what you see
[16:39] <ikatnik> ~/Downloads$ ~
[16:40] <diogenes_> good now run: sudo ./install-depot-multisystem.sh
[16:40] <diogenes_> tell me what you get
[16:40] <diogenes_> 2 minutes
[16:41] <ikatnik> Asks for password. Am giving it.
[16:41] <diogenes_> and?
[16:41] <diogenes_> after you entered the password?
[16:41] <ikatnik> command not found.
[16:41] <diogenes_> ok then listen, now I've got to go, if you want, come later and we'll see
[16:42]  * diogenes_ went offline
[16:42] <ikatnik> Thank you very much!
[16:49] <ikatnik> "Now to start the script please use\nthe menu: / Applications/Accessoires/MultiSystem."
[19:01] <adriancs35> Hello!
[19:01] <knome> 'lo
[19:01] <diogenes_> hi gentlemen
[19:02] <adriancs35> I was wondering if you guys have a minute to help me with a issue, it's probably because I'm stupid though.
[19:03] <knome> ask and find out please :)
[19:03] <adriancs35> I am trying to compile a application using GCC5, and I am encountering this error right before it links: "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lvalgrind collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
[19:03] <adriancs35> "
[19:23] <ikatnik> Hi. I am back.
[19:23] <diogenes_> ikatnik, hi, welcome
[19:25] <ikatnik> I still imagine that multisystems did some installation.  I have some sort of tab open which looks like an html or more an XML file. Not sure which. Includes French.
[19:25] <ikatnik> "Now to start the script please use\nthe menu: / Applications/Accessoires/MultiSystem."
[19:25] <ikatnik> BTW. Thank you kindly for the help this morning when you were on your way out!
[19:26] <diogenes_> ikatnik, you're welcome, now run in terminal
[19:26] <diogenes_> multisystem
[19:30] <ikatnik> sudo install? Sorry, which cmd exactly?
[19:30] <diogenes_> ikatnik, what did you say about multisystem done for you?
[19:31] <diogenes_> what have you tried
[19:34] <ikatnik> Last it seems was sudo ./install-multisystem-depot.sh , which asked for a password when I ran it, but went no where. But like I said, there is a document, which I will paste into paste.ubuntu.com (Pastebin) which I think you should see. Stand by.
[19:34] <diogenes_> ok
[19:35]  * diogenes_ takes a sip from the flask of patience
[19:37] <ikatnik> I am trying the patience. Thank you. A virtue, but not always mine. Pastebin URL: https://paste.ubuntu.com/25006103/
[19:38] <ikatnik> Or maybe rather the patience is trying me.
[19:40] <diogenes_> ikatnik, download this: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/289386214/gnome-multi-writer_3.22.1-1_amd64.deb
[19:41] <ikatnik> Opened via archive manager.
[19:41] <diogenes_> no
[19:41] <diogenes_> after download, double click
[19:41] <diogenes_> after download, double click
[19:45] <ikatnik> Is writing to USB (disk) after warning that all previous data on disk will be overwritten.
[19:45] <diogenes_> it will format it, deleting all the previous data and write new ones
[19:46] <ikatnik> Is slow (8.0 Mb/s, but working on it.
[19:46] <diogenes_> what? 8 Mbps is that slow?
[19:47] <ikatnik> I take your word it is not.
[19:47] <ikatnik> About 40% done.
[19:48] <diogenes_> then it's not 8 MB it's 8 KBps
[19:48] <ikatnik> Done. (of course) USB no longer visible on desktop.
[19:49] <diogenes_> usb should be visible because we didn't apply any actions on it
[19:50] <diogenes_> replug it and see
[19:50] <ikatnik> No, wrote new OS.iso to it. Did I jump the gun?
[19:51] <ikatnik> Still invisible. Maybe old / p. of trash USB?
[19:52] <diogenes_> wait wait waittttt, when last time we spoke, your usb was ok right?
[19:52] <ikatnik> Yes it was. And visible after painful restoration of partition. I can try that again.
[19:53] <ikatnik> Or I can use a newer, better, paid for (as opposed to free of charge) USB 16 gig. Just need time to empty it.
[19:55] <diogenes_> yeah, empty it and we'll continue
[19:55]  * diogenes_ takes another sip from the flask of patience
[19:56] <ikatnik> Ok. Stand by.
[19:59] <ikatnik> 5 - 10 minutes till back up of larger USB complete. Then will use multiwriter to write OS.iso to better, larger USB.
[20:04] <ikatnik> Your imbibing is appreciated.
[20:05] <diogenes_> oui monseur
[20:07] <ikatnik> Better USB is visible. Using multiwriter to write OS.iso to device.
[20:08] <diogenes_> ikatnik, what multiwriter
[20:08] <diogenes_> ?
[20:09] <ikatnik> gnome multiwriter is a gui program on my mousey menu.  Just showed up a little while ago. Wrong thing? I used it on the poor bad old USB.
[20:10] <diogenes_> yes, that is a good program
[20:10] <ikatnik> Going at 8MB/s.
[20:12] <ikatnik> USB disk still visible while writing.
[20:12] <diogenes_> ikatnik, I'm feeling the niose from the wings of Morpheus, do you know who is Morpheus?
[20:12] <diogenes_> moise*
[20:12] <diogenes_> noise*
[20:13] <sorinello> anyone using xubuntu-core here ? I might have an interesting issue, which does not happen on xubuntu
[20:14] <ikatnik> The greek god of dreams, after whom the potion called morphine is named? Or a character from a computer game, or sometime contributer to the xubuntu IRC channel?
[20:14] <diogenes_> ikatnik, the god of dreams
[20:15] <diogenes_> so ikatnik tell me at what stage the burning process is right now?
[20:16] <ikatnik> Yes, that Morpheus I know.  Looks like it is writing, though slow. The morpheus from the Matrix I am only a little familiar with. Am not that up on popular culture. I am a snob, or out of it. Or both.
[20:17] <diogenes_> don't underestimate yourself, you're cool,
[20:18] <diogenes_> should I ask my question again or you can scroll up and read it? :D
[20:19] <ikatnik> Which of so, so many question? Writing looks about 20% done. I am quite proud (or sometimes prod) of myself, and consider insulating myself from popular culture a revolutionary act. Or maybe just bragging.
[20:20] <ikatnik> This is a much bigger USB, if it is overwriting, it has much more work to do.
[20:21] <diogenes_> ikatnik, what image.iso you are writing to it?
[20:21] <diogenes_> what is its name?
[20:23] <ikatnik> xubuntu-14.05.5-desktop-i386.iso
[20:24] <ikatnik> Now you got me scared.
[20:24] <diogenes_> so it should be having around 1GB size
[20:24] <ikatnik> Yes.
[20:25] <ikatnik> But my guess is it is overwriting the previous data on the (I think) 16 gig USB stick.
[20:25] <diogenes_> and it doesn't matter on what size usb you're writing it to, it's either 2 BG or 200 GB it should be taking the same amount of time
[20:25] <diogenes_> because the image size is the same
[20:26] <ikatnik> Do not know why the delay. Is about 40% done
[20:26] <ikatnik> According to graphc via multiwriter.
[20:28] <ikatnik> I know it is working because the speed keeps changing, and the LED within the USB disk is blinking like a bird with sand in its eye.
[20:29] <diogenes_> ikatnik, I feel like Morpheus (the god of dreams and sleep) is slowly dragging me to his kingdom (if you got what I meant) so, having said that, I'd suggest you to either choose a short and straightforward way to resolve your issue which will invole you to download teamviewer and let me do this work in 5 minutes for you, or I will go to Morpheuse's kingdom and you can come tomorrow and all the next week trying to burn that
[20:29] <diogenes_> iso to usb :)
[20:30] <ikatnik> Teamviewer is fine with me, I am a trusting soul. Lead on.
[20:30] <diogenes_> so go ahead install it and write to me in private the ID and password
[20:31] <diogenes_> IN RPIVATE!!!!
[20:31] <diogenes_> private*
[20:31] <ikatnik> Let me search and download. I will go as fast as I can.
[20:33] <diogenes_> ikatnik, here: https://download.teamviewer.com/download/teamviewer_i386.deb
[20:33] <ikatnik> 30 seconds left. (Via archive)
[20:35] <ikatnik> OK. Which of the extracted files do I click on?
[20:35] <diogenes_> what file did you download?
[20:35] <diogenes_> full name of it
[20:36] <ikatnik> control.tar.gz (extracted) and data.tar.bz2 (not extracted) and a text file
[20:37] <diogenes_> click  here: https://download.teamviewer.com/download/teamviewer_i386.deb
[20:37] <diogenes_> download, after download, double click on it
[20:38] <ikatnik> Opening via archive manager.
[20:38] <diogenes_> nooooo
[20:38] <diogenes_> chose save
[20:38] <diogenes_> the second option
[20:38] <diogenes_> try again
[20:40] <ikatnik> Am in downloads folder (copy to desktop, mabye?
[20:41] <diogenes_> righ click on the free space in the download folder
[20:41] <diogenes_> and choose "open terminal here"
[20:42] <ikatnik> Only New Folder, Paste or Properties via right click.
[20:42] <diogenes_> ok then alt+ctrl+t
[20:43] <ikatnik> Ready (not sure the terminal is in downloads folder).
[20:43] <diogenes_> now
[20:43] <diogenes_> run: ls
[20:43] <diogenes_> copy/everything you see and paste to https://paste.ubuntu.com/
[20:43] <diogenes_> share the link here
[20:46] <ikatnik> https://paste.ubuntu.com/25006522/
[20:47] <ikatnik> Not sure you are gonna like it.
[20:48] <diogenes_> now
[20:48] <diogenes_> run: cd Downloads
[20:48] <diogenes_> tell when done
[20:49] <ikatnik> Says bash: cd downloads. No such file or directory. Sorry
[20:50] <diogenes_> be EXTREMELY CAREFUL: I wrote: cd Downloads and not cd downloads
[20:50] <diogenes_> see the differrence?
[20:50] <diogenes_> capital 'D'
[20:50] <ikatnik> : CD no command "CD". Did with capital, still no command "CD"  . Did I forget the sudo?
[20:51] <ikatnik> Sorry
[20:51] <diogenes_> lol
[20:51] <diogenes_> sorry
[20:51] <diogenes_> cd (with small letters)
[20:51] <diogenes_> Downloads
[20:52] <diogenes_> with the first 'D' then 'o' 'w' 'n' 'l' nad so on
[20:52] <ikatnik> Now says ~/Downloads$
[20:52]  * diogenes_ feels sweated
[20:52] <diogenes_> ok now
[20:52] <diogenes_> run: ls
[20:53] <diogenes_> and same copy/[aste to https://paste.ubuntu.com
[20:53] <diogenes_> share the link here
[20:53] <ikatnik> https://paste.ubuntu.com/25006566/
[20:56] <ikatnik> Perhaps there is a problem because I have my browser set to download files to the desktop? Sorry if this message is a needless complication.
[20:56] <diogenes_> ikatnik, ok this message was a good one
[20:56] <diogenes_> now run in terminal: cd ..
[20:56] <diogenes_> tell when done
[20:57] <ikatnik> Done. (Just cd or cd Downloads)?
[20:58] <diogenes_> does it still say ~/Downloads$
[20:58] <ikatnik> Says ~/Downloads like before, YES
[20:58] <ikatnik> forgot the dollar sign $
[20:59] <diogenes_> ok run: cd ~/Desktop
[20:59] <diogenes_> tell me when done
[20:59] <ikatnik> Still have teamviewer (numbers) .deb in downloads folder
[21:00] <diogenes_> ikatnik, did you run: cd ~/Desktop
[21:01] <ikatnik> Trying, I might need a new terminal.
[21:01] <diogenes_> ikatnik, tell me what did it say?
[21:01] <ikatnik> Keeps coming back to ~/Desktop$
[21:01] <diogenes_> that's fine
[21:02] <diogenes_> now
[21:02] <diogenes_> run: ls
[21:02] <diogenes_> copy/paste
[21:02] <diogenes_> and share the link here
[21:03] <ikatnik> https://paste.ubuntu.com/25006614/
[21:06] <diogenes_> ikatnik, I still haven't seen teamviewer(numbers).deb neither on desktop nor in downloads
[21:06] <diogenes_> where is it?
[21:07] <ikatnik> I promise it is in downloads. I am looking at it. Temp > User > Downloads.
[21:09] <ikatnik> Or maybe I have the order wrong. But it contains the files I / we have downloaded over the last few minutes, hours. Including gnome writer and multiwriter download files.
[21:10] <diogenes_> be so kind and copy that teamviewer file to desktop :)
[21:11] <ikatnik> Done
[21:11] <diogenes_> is the terminal still opened?
[21:12] <ikatnik> Yes
[21:12] <diogenes_> run: ls
[21:12] <diogenes_> copy/paste share
[21:13] <ikatnik> https://paste.ubuntu.com/25006658/   Teamviewer is there.
[21:14] <diogenes_> now run: sudo dpkg -i teamviewer_12.0.76279_i386-1.deb
[21:14] <diogenes_> and tell me what you get
[21:16] <ikatnik> Entered password. Now it is installing. Praise Bulwinkle.
[21:17] <diogenes_> tell me when it's done
[21:18] <ikatnik> Teamviewer 12 is in mousey menu.
[21:18] <diogenes_> start it
[21:19] <ikatnik> Should I shut down other applications?
[21:19] <diogenes_> no
[21:20] <diogenes_> has it started?
[21:22] <ikatnik> double clicking on. Not starting. Sorry! Terminal did say errors encountered while processing: Teamviewer i386
[21:22] <ikatnik> Start via commmand?
[21:23] <diogenes_> ikatnik, no, it's late already, I'm going to bed, come tomorrow morning and we shall continue.
[21:23]  * diogenes_ is offline
[21:23] <ikatnik> Thank you for all your help. Will see you soon.


[15:49] <penguin42> worst UK plug yet: https://dowdon.en.made-in-china.com/product/wCiQAjMblchI/China-110-250V-6A-500W-Us-EU-to-UK-AC-Power-Plug-Travel-Converter-Adapter.html
[15:52] <zxmpi> people who have purchsed this have also bought... fake eyebrows :-P
[18:39] <davef> I'm busy hiding key-combos in code to keep the Quebec language police happy.  Law changed meaning I have to provide Windows computers with a french language OS.. but so I don't have to waste time manually changing it all back to English if they've signed a waver, I added a listener for a keycombo that skips the Install-Language function 🤭
[19:16] <daftykins> lol, nice
[23:19] <penguin42> can someone please switch the streetlights off, I can't see anything here
[23:31] <daftykins> are your curtains down?
[23:35]  * penguin42 was looking out with them aside
[23:41] <daftykins> hehe
[23:41] <daftykins> my original xbox, produced 2004 blew a capacitor the other day at power on - got some panasonics on the way!
[23:41] <daftykins> can't wait to crack out the soldering iron :)
[23:42] <penguin42> go with a particularly good pop?
[23:43] <daftykins> i powered it up and heard a bit of a crackle, then a bit of a popcorn kinda pop, before quickly yanking power
[23:43] <daftykins> it took a while to spot it, as i had assumed it was in the PSU to begin with (on one end)
[23:44] <penguin42> oh, non PSU one, a little rairer
[23:44] <daftykins> https://imgur.com/a/APntzxM
[23:44] <daftykins> still power related, just on the receiving end :)
[23:45] <penguin42> oh the bulgy one at the front?
[23:46] <penguin42> probably worth doing that set of 5
[23:49] <daftykins> that's the plan :D
[23:50] <daftykins> interestingly these things rely on a "supercap" (in gold back there in the opposite corner, left of the yellow tails) instead of a coin cell battery, so that's probably past its' sell-by date now
[23:50] <penguin42> I'm not sure if they degrade at all
[23:52] <daftykins> definitely tales of them all leaking and finishing off these museum pieces
[23:52] <daftykins> these are meant to be the best of them, though
[23:52] <penguin42> ah, the backup batteries leak as well, so shrug
[23:54]  * penguin42 has a couple of 2.7V 10F supercaps I bought in the maplin implosion
[23:57] <daftykins> does anywhere even exist in the UK now to just drop in and buy things like components casually?
[23:57] <daftykins> obviously never had anywhere like that on the island, i tend to just go straight to ebay rather than even trying to search some big chain
[23:57] <daftykins> although i did have a browse of mouser/digikey UK - neither took my fancy
[23:59] <penguin42> daftykins: I don't think many; RS and CPC have trade counters in 2 or 3 places you can drop into
[23:59] <daftykins> ah yeah farnell, of course... used to order my network patch panels from them before i discovered a more recent option


[00:12] <crypt-0> i wish to mount a LUKS volume *before* the root volume is mounted how would i go about this?
[01:00] <lifeless> crypt-0: is the volume for / ?
[01:00] <lifeless> if so cryptsetup has built in support for that
[01:01] <lifeless> its all part of the initramfs scripts
[01:05] <crypt-0> lifeless, no trying to get two-factor auth working
[01:05] <crypt-0> then add a wiki when im done
[01:06] <lifeless> well, you can mount a LUKS partition before /
[01:06] <crypt-0> how so?
[01:06] <lifeless> but you can't mount other volumes before /, not sanely.
[01:06] <lifeless> its built in, just make sure its listed appropriately in crypttab
[01:07] <lifeless> s/mount a LUKS partition/unlock a LUKS partition/
[01:07] <crypt-0> i was thinking of using a keyscript
[01:07] <crypt-0> that cats the keyfile
[01:08] <psusi> storing the password in a file defeats the purpose of the password in the first place
[01:08] <crypt-0> i know, the keydevice shall be a LUKS encrypted device
[01:09] <crypt-0> mounted before the root encrypted LVM
[01:10] <crypt-0> so the password will be to decrypt the keydevice, once decrypted the keyfile can be read and boot can continue
[01:10] <crypt-0> that is my goal
[01:11] <crypt-0> i was looking at a howto  to do two factor with GPG, but GPG lacks PBKDF2
[01:11] <lifeless> uhm
[01:11] <crypt-0> and user passwords tend to be entropy weak
[01:11] <lifeless> LUKS has keyfile support; put the keyfile on a USB device
[01:11] <lifeless> thats something you have
[01:12] <lifeless> I have to go, can chat later
[01:12] <crypt-0> right but i want the keyfile to be encrypted
[01:12] <psusi> and hwo are you going to mount that device?  with a weak password?
[01:13] <crypt-0> *i* am not, but others may yes
[01:13] <psusi> the keyfile IS encrypted, with the password
[01:14] <crypt-0> huh?
[01:14] <psusi> pretty sure that the keyfile contains the real encyption key, which is itself encrypted using the password... possibly multiple times if you have multiple passwords
[01:14] <crypt-0> if i make a key using /dev/random that is plaintext just because i tell LUKS to use it doesn not mean it is encrypted.
[01:15] <psusi> I'm pretty sure that normally luks stores the key in a header it places on the disk... the key is randomly generated when you set up luks.... that key is then encrypted using your password and stored there too
[01:15] <psusi> when you put in your password, it is used to decrypt the real key
[01:16] <psusi> that's why you can change the password without wiping out everything on the disk... because the encryption key is not changed, it's just encrypted using the new password and stored on the disk
[01:16] <crypt-0> if read the LUKS spec, and did mention that
[01:17] <crypt-0> LUKS uses PBKDF2 , which changes your passhprase/keyfile > final decryption key
[01:18] <crypt-0> if Mallory has the password/keyfile she can use it.
[01:18] <psusi> right.... real key gets encrypted using your password(s) and stored on the disk... so even with access to the disk, you can't read the key without the password
[01:21] <crypt-0> yes that is if you consider the disk  a factor.
[01:21] <crimsun> 2/win 39
[01:21] <psusi> huh?
[01:22] <crypt-0> if your disk is stolen and your password is too, the attacker has your data.
[01:22] <psusi> well of course
[01:22] <psusi> so don't write your password down on a sticky note pasted to the bottom of the laptop ;)
[01:23] <crypt-0> yes.... so if someone's laptop gets stolen with a weak password...it is gone
[01:24] <crypt-0> yes.... so if someone's laptop gets stolen with a weak password...but they are using two factor authentication with a USB stick its fine
[01:24] <psusi> encrypting it a second time does not help
[01:24] <psusi> keeping the key on a usb stick helps, provided that it is not also stollen
[01:24] <crypt-0> and if the attacker gets the laptop and the usb stick only the password is required
[01:25] <psusi> yep
[01:25] <crypt-0> that is what i want to set up.
[01:25] <psusi> then store the keyfile on a usb stick, that's pretty straight forward
[01:25] <crypt-0> ans wish to make a wiki so that others may use it
[01:25] <psusi> that's what lifeless ways saying
[01:26] <crypt-0> yes it is, but the keyfile requires no password
[01:26] <psusi> you can make it require one
[01:26] <crypt-0> you know the args?
[01:26] <crypt-0> for cryptsetup
[01:27] <crypt-0> the LUKS header is stored in plaintext
[01:28] <psusi> not offhand, but you should be able to put the key on a usb stick, AND have a password on it
[01:28] <crypt-0> yeah ive looked, but couldnt find a way
[01:34] <psusi> can anyone take a look at bug #534743 and see about applying the fix or at least bumping up the priority?  this NEEDS to get fixed by release and I'm worried that if it doesn't get in for beta 2, it won't get in for release
[01:41] <crypt-0> lifeless, psusi the keyscript to be run http://pastebin.com/M2AhZDVR
[01:43] <sistpoty> doko__: around? just saw that you've taken bug #534459... to my findings, that's gcc miscompiling, but I haven't managed to produce a test-case more minimal than the entire patch package yet :(
[01:44] <doko__> sistpoty: uploaded, build with -fno-stack-protector on sparc. I assume it's kees's task now ;p
[01:45] <sistpoty> doko__: ah, thanks!
[01:45] <sistpoty> doko__: I've got a patch lying around that justs adds an assert for an out of bounds check (local only, the one at the bug report is wrong), which somehow makes the build pass as well, interested?
[01:46] <sistpoty> doko__: however I have retried to build fpc with a fixed patch package, didn't work (however that was a few gcc revisions ago already)
[01:46] <sistpoty> (didn't work due to a bus error later, iirc)
[01:47] <doko__> sistpoty: enotime, sorry. please ask kees. the fpc build on sparc is still running
[01:47] <sistpoty> doko__: kk, kees?
[01:47] <crypt-0> is there a way to enable SMART probing, an update disabled it?
[02:38] <sistpoty> kees: attached the patch to the bug report in question (however in reverted form :()
[03:21] <psusi> cjwatson, ping
[03:39] <psusi> cjwatson, updated OEMRescue wiki page with thoughts for you to read when you're back
[05:25] <un214> apt-get remove plymouth wants to remove e2fsprogs !
[05:26] <ScottK> un214: Don't do that.
[05:27] <un214> plymouth results in a brick
[05:27] <ScottK> Removing it is just a longer path to tears.
[05:27] <ScottK> File bugs and help get it fixed.
[05:27] <un214> ?
[05:28] <ScottK> plymouth isn't just a pretty splash screen.
[05:28] <un214> I was better off when ubuntu didn't try to recognize my video card
[05:28] <ScottK> It also does some important things with system I/O (I don't recall what)
[05:28] <ScottK> So removing it is likely to have side effects eventually.
[05:29] <ScottK> Considering you're using a development release and having problems with the most aggressive area of development in this development cycle, it's not stunning it's problematic for some.
[05:29] <ScottK> Is it really a brick or just on a different vt?
[05:30] <un214> last time I tried it, no display usable (bad driver)
[05:30] <ScottK> How long ago was that?
[05:30] <un214> about a month
[05:31] <un214> usplash had the same problem
[05:31] <ScottK> A lot has been done since then.
[05:32] <un214> well we'll sure find out
[05:36] <un214> well what do you know it actually came up this time
[05:40] <un214> part of the problem is every so often I get a nouveau driver so bad I have to revert to using vgaconsole and VESA. I may end up having to do that anyway (potentially bad hardware).
[05:40] <un214> ^bad nouveau driver
[05:51] <lifeless> persia: hai
[06:30] <persia> lifeless: Hey.
[06:36] <lifeless> persia: hey
[06:36] <lifeless> so
[06:36] <lifeless> we're getting a test machine for lmirror in the dc
[06:36] <lifeless> need some folk with the bandwidth & disk space to test mirroring from it
[06:36] <persia> I'm happy to help with that.
[06:36] <lifeless> \o/
[06:37] <persia> I've about 250-280ms latency, but can saturate the TCP/ACK window, and have plenty of available mirror space.
[06:37] <lifeless> cool
[06:37] <lifeless> whats your actual pipe size?
[06:39] <persia> Technically, 1Gbps, but my fiber is a bit dirty, so I only get ~600Mbps, but my router is old and sad, so I only get ~40Mbps, but the DC is >250ms away, so I really only get ~25.6Mbps
[06:39] <lifeless> hah lol
[06:40] <lifeless> lmirror should saturate your tcp session
[06:40] <lifeless> can you open your tcp buffers more ?
[06:40] <lifeless> tcp profiling is likely to be a significant aspect of tuning it
[06:40] <persia> Probably not usefully, because of my old, sad router.
[06:41] <lifeless> isn't that endpoint determined ?
[06:41] <persia> I'm happy to tweak endpoint stuff, but I'll lead guidance.
[06:41] <persia> s/lead/need/
[06:41] <lifeless> sure
[06:42] <lifeless> to start with, grab lmirror from bzr or a release tarball
[06:42] <persia> Is it in the archives?
[06:42] <lifeless> haha no
[06:42] <persia> k
[06:42] <lifeless> all the deps are, except testrepository which is only in debian atm
[06:42] <lifeless> I did request a sync, but it hasn't been done.
[06:43] <persia> OK.  Source downloaded.
[06:44] <lifeless> apt-get install bzr python-paste python-testresources python-testtools python-testscenarios
[06:45] <lifeless> python -m testtools.run l_mirror.tests.test_suite
[06:45] <persia> Hrm.  Seems I need to fiddle, as some of this isn't in karmic :)
[06:45] <lifeless> will then check that tests pass on your machine
[06:45] <lifeless> oh heh :)
[06:47] <persia> Failed to fetch http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/pool/universe/p/python-openid/python-openid_2.2.4-1_all.deb  404  Not Found :(
[06:48] <lifeless> wow, what dragged that in?
[06:48] <persia> Dunno.
[06:48] <persia> I had it on my local mirror of archive.u.c, but it's a bug that it's not on ports.
[06:49] <persia> /usr/bin/python: No module named testtools.run
[06:50] <persia> (yes, python-testtools is installed)
[06:51] <lifeless>  what version ?
[06:51] <persia> 0.1~r16-0ubuntu1
[06:51] <lifeless> too old
[06:52] <lifeless> 0.9.2 should be ok
[06:52] <lifeless> [lucid]
[06:52] <lifeless> or you can add the subunit release ppa, which has backports of a few of this sort of thing for karmic etc
[06:53] <persia> lucid version installed fine
[06:53]  * persia plans to upgrade this server soon anyway
[06:53] <persia> What does http://paste.ubuntu.com/409365/ imply I need to upgrade?
[06:54] <lifeless> something
[06:54] <lifeless> add -v to the command
[06:54] <lifeless> you'll get a backtrace in the log, that actually has the problem import
[06:56]  * persia is looking at http://paste.ubuntu.com/409368/
[06:56] <persia> That would indicate that apport is the culprit?
[06:56] <lifeless> ugh
[06:56] <lifeless> no
[06:56] <lifeless> try
[06:57] <lifeless> python -c 'import l_mirror.tests'
[06:57] <persia> ImportError: No module named testresources
[06:57] <lifeless> did you install python-testresources?
[06:57] <persia> I did.
[06:57]  * persia tries again
[06:58] <lifeless> python -c 'import testresources'
[06:58] <lifeless> dpkg -L python-testresources if that fails
[06:59] <persia> Apparently I remembered incorrectly.  Installing python-testresources results in "ImportError: cannot import name memory_transport_stat"
[06:59] <lifeless> thats included in the lmirror source
[06:59] <lifeless> did you grab a tarball or bzr ?
[06:59] <persia> tarball
[07:00] <lifeless> may be a bong tarball :>
[07:00] <lifeless> :<
[07:00]  * lifeless hates on distutils some
[07:00]  * persia mumbles about release management and testing and pulls bzr (slowly)
[07:00] <maco> persia: intentionally?
[07:01] <persia> maco: No, but bzr doesn't seem to kjnow how to get much meyond 20KB/s for me.
[07:01] <lifeless> persia: you've done bzr lp-login ?
[07:02] <persia> lifeless: Yes.  Anyway, with lp:lmirror, `python -c 'import l_mirror.tests'` succeeds cleanly.
[07:03] <lifeless> ok
[07:03] <lifeless> I'll fix
[07:05] <persia> Running `python -m testtools.run l_mirror.tests.test_suite` now gets me "AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'test_logging_resource'".  Do I need -v again, or does this mean something to you?
[07:06] <lifeless> try -v
[07:07] <persia> traceback is still when trying to import apport.  Shall I upgrade that?
[07:07] <lifeless> no
[07:07] <lifeless> its not apport
[07:07] <lifeless> uhm
[07:07] <lifeless> python -c 'import l_mirror.tests.logging_resource'
[07:08] <persia> ImportError: cannot import name TestResourceManager
[07:08] <lifeless> old testresources :<
[07:08] <lifeless> uhm
[07:08] <lifeless> edit that file
[07:08] <lifeless> change TestResourceManager to TestResource
[07:08] <persia> Um, why?  Is there a good reason not to just upgrade?
[07:09] <lifeless> grep for TestResourceManager through tests/*.py
[07:09] <lifeless> l_mirror/tests/*.py
[07:09] <lifeless> persia: may not be packaged; I don't want to yak shave right now.
[07:09] <lifeless> though lucid has 0.2.4 which is what I'm using
[07:10] <lifeless> so it should be packaged just fine
[07:11] <persia> python -c 'import l_mirror.tests.logging_resource' works great with python-testresources (0.2.4-1)
[07:11] <lifeless> ok
[07:11] <lifeless> pop()
[07:12] <persia> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'test_server'
[07:12] <persia> Err, let me just make sure I have the lucid versions of the list of stuff you asked me to install :)
[07:13] <lifeless> python -c 'import l_mirror.server'
[07:17] <persia> OK.  By installing the lucid versions of everything you asked in the beginning (except bzr), `python -m testtools.run l_mirror.tests.test_suite` runs, but I fail 35 tests.
[07:17] <lifeless> heh
[07:17] <lifeless> what tests fail ?
[07:17] <lifeless> or rather
[07:17] <lifeless> name a couple
[07:17] <persia> python -c 'import l_mirror.server' runs cleanly
[07:18] <persia>  l_mirror.tests.commands.test_mirror.TestCommandCommands.test_mirrors_new l_mirror.tests.commands.test_mirror.TestCommandCommands.test_mirrors_incremental l_mirror.tests.commands.test_mirror.TestCommandCommands.test_error_no_source
[07:19] <persia> The failures all seem to be "AttributeError: 'MemoryServer' object has no attribute 'start_server'" fromself.transport_factory.start_server() atl_mirror/tests/__init__.py:48
[07:20] <lifeless> newer bzr needed
[07:20] <lifeless> but I don't really care if you run the tests or not
[07:20] <lifeless> you should have enough to run it ;)
[07:21] <persia> Good, because bzr gets compiled, and would need a real backport :)
[07:21] <lifeless> err
[07:21] <lifeless> the bzr ppa
[07:21] <lifeless> already has it
[07:22] <persia> 2.1.1-1~bazaar2~karmic ?
[07:22] <lifeless> yes
[07:23] <persia> Doesn't have it for my architecture.
[07:24] <lifeless> oh
[07:24] <lifeless> what arch?
[07:24] <lifeless> sparc?
[07:24] <persia> ppc
[07:24] <lifeless> heh
[07:24] <lifeless> well, you could grab source and respon
[07:24] <lifeless> but frankly, just skip the tests.
[07:24] <persia> So I don't need to backport bzr to do the test you wanted?  Cool.
[07:24] <persia> What do I need to do?
[07:25] <lifeless> symlink lmirror into /usr/local/bin
[07:26] <persia> done
[07:26] <lifeless> cd to a dir somewhere, such as pool/main/libm
[07:26] <lifeless> run lmirror init test
[07:27] <lifeless> and lmirror mirror test /tmp/test
[07:27] <lifeless> if those commands work
[07:27] <lifeless> lmirror serve test
[07:27] <persia> Should pool/main/libm be a current mirror?
[07:27] <lifeless> open a new window
[07:27] <lifeless> persia: doesn't matter; it won't write to the mirror files; it will make a .lmirror directory we'll delete shortly
[07:27] <lifeless> and do lmirror mirror http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/test /tmp/test2
[07:28] <lifeless> if that works, then we can be pretty sure we're prepped to do some tests with jpds when his test archive server is up and running
[07:31] <lifeless> persia: how did that go ?
[07:32] <lifeless> you can check ~/.cache/lmirror/log to see what went on/is happening
[07:32] <lifeless> or add -v (or -vv etc) to the command line
[07:32] <persia> Just waiting for the result of lmirror mirror http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/test /tmp/test2
[07:33] <crypt-0> lifeless, if while in initrd you mount a volume before mounting / and unmount it before mounting / is that safe?
[07:33] <persia> ArneGoetje: When you're around, I'd like to chat about search engines and language-pack-ja
[07:33] <lifeless> crypt-0: probably
[07:33] <persia> lifeless: How long should it take for this last command to return?
[07:35] <lifeless> persia: it should have taken no longer than the local disk mirror
[07:35] <lifeless> can you du -sh /tmp/test ?
[07:35] <persia> 24K
[07:35] <lifeless> not test2
[07:35] <lifeless> /tmp/test
[07:35] <lifeless> the one that worked
[07:36] <persia> Both are the same.
[07:36] <lifeless> interesting
[07:36] <lifeless> does /tmp/test contain the libm content ?
[07:37] <persia> It contains nothing at all.
[07:37] <persia> But the directory in which I ran the tests also contained nothing.
[07:37] <lifeless> oh
[07:37] <lifeless> heh
[07:37] <lifeless> well that would make it fast :P
[07:37] <lifeless> so, it seems to be hung yeah ?
[07:37] <persia> Indeed.
[07:38] <lifeless> can you strace the client ?
[07:38] <persia> I don't know how to do that interactively.  I can kill it, and run again under strace.  Would that output interest you?
[07:39] <lifeless> use ps to find the process
[07:39] <lifeless> then strace -p PID
[07:40] <persia> spinning on "recv(4, "", 23, 0)                      = 0"
[07:40] <lifeless> ok
[07:40] <lifeless> its expecting more content, but not seeing it
[07:40] <lifeless> which is interesting
[07:40] <lifeless> I can probably reproduce this
[07:41] <lifeless> could you add a file to your source dir
[07:41] <lifeless> if its not a live mirror
[07:41] <lifeless> and run lmirror start-change
[07:41] <lifeless> and run lmirror start-change test
[07:41] <lifeless> and then run lmirror finish-change test
[07:42] <lifeless> and then repeat the lmirror mirror http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/test /tmp/test2
[07:42] <lifeless> I want to be sure its an empty-mirror bug, not a platform networking bug
[07:45] <lifeless> persia: same symptoms ?
[07:46] <persia> Yep.
[07:47] <lifeless> has it written the new file to disk ?
[07:47] <persia> I do get a .lmirrortemp file though, so it's trying to do soemthing.
[07:47] <lifeless> ok
[07:47] <persia> The .lmirrortempfile is 0-byte
[07:47] <lifeless> is the new file you made 0-byte ?
[07:47] <persia> the source is 15 byte
[07:47] <lifeless> and strace shows it spinnnig on recv ?
[07:48] <persia> Yes.
[07:48] <persia> "recv(4, "", 15, 0)                      = 0"
[07:48] <lifeless> any error on the server terminal ?
[07:49] <lifeless> or in ~/.cache/lmirror/log ?
[07:49] <persia> None
[07:49] <persia> ~/.cache/lmirror/log has "2010-04-05 06:45:07Z: Writing file 'mirror.this'"
[07:49] <persia> (which is the name of the test file)
[07:51] <lifeless> ok
[07:51] <lifeless> I have to do some stuff here
[07:51] <lifeless> if you're up for it, might try to debug this more later
[07:51] <lifeless> e.g. get a tcpdump trace of the request
[07:52] <lifeless> btw do you have a http proxy configured ?
[07:52] <persia> I'm happy to run stuff as you need.  I don't use a proxy for that server
[07:52] <lifeless> for now, you can delete the test file, the .lmirror dir in your test area, and /tmp/test and /tmp/test2
[07:52] <persia> (it has mirrors of Ubuntu and Debian, and any sane proxy would be useless most of the time)
[07:52] <lifeless> persia: does it have http_proxy or similar configured ?
[07:53] <persia> Not intentionally.  Is there something I should check?
[07:54] <persia> by "test file" do you mean some file named "test", or my "mirror.this" file used for testing?
[07:54] <lifeless> mirror.this
[07:56] <persia> OK.  All deleted.  I likely still have the "test" mirror configured in lmirror, but that can just sit there until it works.
[07:58] <lifeless> nope, you've deleted the config if you deleted the things I said you could ;)
[09:18] <ArneGoetje> persia: I'm only only for a short time now... public holiday here today... what's up?
[09:19] <persia> ArneGoetje: based on bug #526411 , we have the impression that we need to set the search providers for firefox in the langpacks, and if you have a pointer to a HOWTO or similar, we'd like to use that.
[09:20] <persia> ArneGoetje: Any guideance would be input to discussion with yahoo.jp and mozilla.jp, as the en-US default is currently mostly useless.
[09:21] <ArneGoetje> persia: hum... I'm not sure about the sort ordering... but the localized searh engines are handled in langpack-o-matic, i.e. they are static there.
[09:21] <persia> ArneGoetje: So what would be the best way to send a suggested order for the ubuntu-ja team?  Just a bug, and subscribe you, or something more complicated?
[09:22] <ArneGoetje> persia: need to talk with asac first. I'm not sure what's the procedure for the localized entries.
[09:23] <persia> I hear he won't be around until Wednesday or so.  Does it have to be him, or will any member of the mozillateam work?
[09:23] <ArneGoetje> persia: can ask other members of the mozillateam... though I don't know if they know the answer...
[09:24] <persia> ArneGoetje: Just to make sure I understand: you need information on how it is supposed to work, and then we'd file a bug subscribing you to make it work that way?
[09:24] <ArneGoetje> persia: yup
[09:25] <persia> ArneGoetje: Thanks!  I'll go hunt up an answer.
[09:25] <ArneGoetje> persia: thanks a lot! Please file the bug against the langpack-o-matic project.
[09:26] <persia> Will do.
[12:22] <intick> hi all (english is the official language here right ) ?
[12:22] <mdke> intick:
[12:22] <mdke> intick: yes
[12:23] <mdke> is it acceptable practice during the freeze to upload packages which are not essential for the beta on the basis that they will be processed after the freeze ends?
[12:23] <intick> ok, first sorry for my poor english, i would like to know where can i share my bug experience with developpers of nautilus ? i have some comments to do
[12:25] <nailora> could someone un-private this bug (of course only if applicable) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/549655
[12:27] <nailora> ^^ is that ubottus way of saying this report is private?
[12:28] <mdke> intick: this is probably the place to start: http://live.gnome.org/Nautilus
[12:29] <intick> thx mate that's what i'm looking for
[12:29] <intick> cu
[12:31] <nigelb> mdke, we are encouraged not to upload nonessential stuff during beta freeze
[12:31] <persia> Um, it's more complicated that that, actually.
[12:32] <persia> If a package appears in no images, it's fairly safe to upload.
[12:32] <nigelb> i.e. universe?
[12:32] <persia> Well, no.
[12:32] <persia> Because many images draw from universe.
[12:32] <nigelb> oh like... stuff in universe for ubuntu might in images for kubuntu and the likes?
[12:33] <persia> If a package has an update and it is known in advance that there will be no need to change the package during the freeze, it's safe to upload (but will be held pending freeze lift)
[12:33] <mdke> well, my package does appear in an image, but if it isn't approved, then the upload shouldn't compromise an image, afaics
[12:33] <persia> nigelb: No.  The "universe flavours" vary by release.  For lucid, they are xubuntu and ubuntustudio.
[12:33] <mdke> it's just a question of whether it will annoy the release managers
[12:33] <mdke> (to have it pending)
[12:34] <persia> mdke: My personal suspicion is that we'll go into pre-release freeze once beta2 releases, so I would expect every upload from this point to require manual approval.
[12:34] <nigelb> it does, it does
[12:34] <nigelb> every upload needs release ack
[12:34] <mdke> persia: are you sure? That's not what the release schedule says
[12:34] <persia> The risk with having it pending is that if it happens to end up having a milestone-critical bug, it's awkward to do an update that isn't the non-milestone targeted update.
[12:35] <persia> mdke: I'm not sure at all.  I'm just guessing.
[12:35] <mdke> hmm.
[12:36] <mdke> I'll wait until beta release and upload then I guess
[12:36] <persia> That's safer for packages in images.
[12:36] <nigelb> mdke, /me misread.  Only during last week needs ack from release for all uploads :)
[12:37] <mdke> persia, nigelb: thanks for the input
[12:43] <ScottK> persia: I don't think we're going to stay in pre-release freeze after the beta is out.
[12:43] <ScottK> It's fine to upload stuff now and if there's time to review it and it appears low risk, it'll get in.
[12:44] <persia> ScottK: Cool.  So pre-release will just be from RC-freeze?
[12:44] <ScottK> persia: AFAIK, yes.
[12:46] <persia> That makes sense.  I thought it might be more stringent because of the specialness of this cycle.
[12:54] <mdke> ScottK: you think it's ok to upload a package now even if it appears on a cd? (I'm not bothered about whether it is approved before or after beta release, but it would be convenient to me to get the upload off my plate now)
[12:54] <ScottK> mdke: Yes.
[12:55] <mdke> ok, thanks
[13:13] <carnil> Hi, we in Debian Perl Group have a FTBFS on libgk2-perl (1:1.221-5) building against libgtk2-dev 2.20.0-2. If possible, could someone of you please rebuild libgtk2-perl in lucid against the gtk2.0 version there and check if it fails too?
[13:25] <geser> carnil: FTBFS in my lucid pbuilder. It fails at some tests. (AMD64; libgtk2-perl: 1:1.221-4ubuntu1; libgtk2.0-dev: 2.20.0-0ubuntu3)
[13:34] <carnil> geser: is one of the failing test t/GtkAction.t? And thanks for testing!
[13:34] <carnil> [14:25] < geser> carnil: FTBFS in my lucid pbuilder. It fails at some tests. (AMD64; libgtk2-perl: 1:1.221-4ubuntu1; libgtk2.0-dev: 2.20.0-0ubuntu3)
[13:34] <carnil> ups, pasting to wrong channel ö
[13:38] <geser> carnil: yes, "t/GtkAction.t                    (Wstat: 768 Tests: 19 Failed: 3)", "Failed tests:  11-13", "Non-zero exit status: 3"
[13:45] <carnil> geser: okay many thanks, at least it is consistent. If we manage to fix it before lucid release, hope it will get into it too.
[14:15]  * hyperair wonders what ubuntu-iso in ubuntu-dev-toolsi s
[14:15] <hyperair> yay for manpageless binaries
[14:16] <hyperair> ah at least apt's description has it
[14:26] <persia> hyperair: Just upload a manpage for it :)
[14:27] <hyperair> persia: at this rate, i'm going to upload manpages for every single manpageless binary in ubuntu. why can't the authors of the binaries write them?
[14:27] <persia> Sheer laziness.  I know that I tend to avoid making changes that require changes to manpages to avoid doing manpages.
[14:27] <nigelb> hyperair, when they have you why should they :D
[14:28]  * hyperair throws tomatoes at nigelb
[14:29] <nigelb> lol
[14:29] <hyperair> persia: i've mentioned this before, but i'm beginning to get the feeling that new contributors make better packages than old seasoned ubuntu developers.
[14:29] <hyperair> persia: simply because they obey every single lintian complaint
[14:30] <sebner> hyperair: rotten ones, rotten ones!
[14:30] <hyperair> sebner: haha not again
[14:30] <sebner> hyperair: you are always forgetting! :P
[14:30] <hyperair> sebner: i like fresh tomatoes. i don't want to touch rotten tomatoes =\
[14:31] <nigelb> hyperair, I tend to agree (not about the tomatoes :D)
[14:32] <sebner> hahaha
[14:32] <hyperair> nigelb: heheh i was about to ask whether you preferred rotten tomatoes instead =p
[14:32] <nigelb> hehe
[14:33] <nigelb> hyperair, I always tag patches, etc. but find very few patches tagged in packages I fix bugs
[14:34] <hyperair> nigelb: because the seasoned ol ones don't need to please anybody
[14:34] <nigelb> hyperair, there will come a day when lintian will check for patch tags ::D
[14:37]  * hyperair mumbles the code is open, you're free to patch it in...
[14:37] <hyperair> nigelb: sound familiar? ;-)
[14:37] <nigelb> hyperair, I thought about it, but its C and I'm zero there :D
[14:38] <hyperair> nigelb: eh? lintian is C?
[14:38] <nigelb> hyperair, I thought so
[14:38] <nigelb> it isnt?
[14:38] <hyperair> $ file /usr/bin/lintian
[14:38] <hyperair> /usr/bin/lintian: a /usr/bin/perl -w script text executable
[14:38] <hyperair> >_>
[14:39] <sebner> hyperair: all the same crap :P
[14:39] <hyperair> sebner: perl's a different level of crap
[14:39] <nigelb> perl? how retro
[14:39] <sebner> heh
[14:39] <hyperair> but nothing is as crappy as assembly.
[14:40] <hyperair> okay, maybe visual basic is.
[14:40] <hyperair> and maybe pascal
[14:40] <ScottK> Pascal was lovely for it's day.
[14:40] <hyperair> i'd take on assembly over visual basic any day
[14:40] <ScottK> Certainly nothing like assembly or VB.
[14:40] <nigelb> vb is fun.  I learned VB first :D
[14:41] <nigelb> hyperair, it teaches you how not to write a program :D
[14:41] <hyperair> nigelb: well said.
[15:34] <ScottK> lamont: I think it's safe to drop Postfix's (alternate) build-dep on libmysqlclient14-dev now.
[16:13] <SandGorgon> anybody know whom to ask for help in this bug - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/539086 - we are absolutely unable to even install Lucid
[16:13] <SandGorgon> the bug is assigned to ubiquity right now
[17:18] <ccheney> anyone know why openoffice.org-writer2latex in lucid is still showing up as <IP_ADDRESS>-4ubuntu1 ?
[17:18] <ccheney> oh nm my cache is somehow weirdly stale
[17:20]  * ccheney should stop using dpkg -p, heh
[17:32] <lamont> so htf do I undo the ugliness that is my window title bar now?
[17:32] <lamont> ScottK: it's still in dapper....
[17:32] <lamont> universe, to be sure, but...
[17:33] <ScottK> lamont: So you'd need to be trying to build postfix with Main disabled....
[17:33] <lamont> jej
[17:33] <lamont> heh
[17:33] <lamont> so... glib2.0... totally going to go tweak sbuild-package to totally fail glib2.0 on sparc
[17:34] <lamont> or do an upload just to supersede the build
[17:34] <lamont> not sure which
[17:52]  * lamont watches the glib2.0 build on artigas
[17:54]  * ScottK hands lamont a fire extinguisher.
[17:55] <lamont> ScottK: go read the build log.  I. WIN.
[17:55] <ScottK> Can't.  It's not all the way dead yet.
[17:55] <lamont> is now
[17:56] <lamont> search for 'really'
[17:56] <ScottK> Nice.
[17:56] <ScottK> I see it
[18:04] <geser> hmm, since when does the openoffice splash screen the oracle logo?
[18:05] <ScottK> geser: Since Oracle bought Sun.
[18:05] <ScottK> (it had the Sun logo before)
[18:07] <geser> hmm, somehow I didn't notice the Sun logo much
[18:15] <ScottK> lucas: Now that we've removed the unbuildable binaries re the supportable binaries spec, I was wondering if we could have another rebuild to I can look for packages now missing build-deps (we've hit a few at random and I want to take a systematic look)?
[18:16] <lamont> ScottK: there's a test-rebuild of lucid that's working on starting, needs a little more love from us'ns once the UK is online in the morning
[18:16] <ScottK> lamont: Main or all of it?
[18:16] <lamont> main, I expect
[18:16] <ScottK> The stuff I need it all Universe/Multiverse
[18:17] <lamont> ah, ok.  in any case, it would be best to get the current logjam happy first
[18:17] <ScottK> Plus if he does it, I can diff the results and not have to engage in fancy scripting.
[18:17] <lamont> though as long as you don't mark it for publishing, all is OK
[18:30] <slangasek> lamont: lucas's rebuilds happen outside LP
[18:30] <lamont> slangasek: oh.  well then.
[18:30] <lamont> outside LP == outside my concern
[18:31] <ScottK> He can also do it overnight instead of over weeks.
[18:31] <lamont> ah.  many many machines, eh?
[18:32] <LaserJock> I thought he had something like 4k, but that was a long time ago so I could be wrong
[18:36] <geser> IIRC it's done on the "Grid5000" in France -> https://www.grid5000.fr/mediawiki/index.php/Special:G5KHardware
[19:04] <TrueTom> Does anyone know if 'acipd' is still used to handle events like closing/opening the lid of a notebook?
[20:21] <zyga-nc10> I'm looking for someone involved with couchdb and python
[21:35] <mdke> does anyone know where the Ubuntu icon from the top left of the menubar comes from?
[21:35] <mdke> I'm struggling to find it for some reason
[21:46] <fagan> mdke: its built into the theme
[21:49] <mdke> fagan: but the icon must be found on the system somewhere right? I can't seem to find it
[21:50] <fagan> mdke: id say best bet would be to look at the theme package itself and see if you can find it in there
[21:51] <fta> when will the unapproved queue be processed? been waiting for almost a week now :(
[21:51] <mdke> fagan: I'm browsing the various icons in the theme packages
[21:53] <mdke> ah, I think I have it
[21:54] <fagan> nice
[22:05] <james_w> fta: unapproved of what? oldest entries are 4 days old
[22:05] <james_w> is that almost a week?
[22:07] <MariachiAC> Hello everyone. i'd like to update my ubuntu system to 10.04. however the last time I tryed the system rebooted and I was unable to boot the system. i got an error message saying unable to connect to plimith. i'm a blind user using the orca screen reader and speakup.
[22:10] <fta> james_w, i submitted chromium almost 6d ago, lots of people are waiting for the ssl fix
[22:11] <james_w> launchpad says the 1st
[22:20] <arand> MariachiAC: #ubuntu+1 is the channel for 10.04 support, and likely more active.
[22:24] <MariachiAC> arand: Thank you
[22:32] <lifeless> persia: sorry for disappearing last night
[22:32] <lifeless> I'd like to resume in a few hours
[23:02] <kees> can an ubuntu-release person review bug 555967 ?  I'd like to get it uploaded earlier rather than later.  :)
[23:44] <lee_> how many developers are there?
[23:46] <lifeless> of ?
[23:48] <lee_> idk, just ubuntu developers in general
[23:49] <lee_> and the ironic thing, your nickname is liveless and yet you're the only one that responded to my question...
[23:49] <lee_> lifeless*
[23:51] <kklimonda|G1> lee_: few hundreds but i don't remember the exact number - there are around 600 ubuntu-members and not all of them are developers
[23:53] <lee_> I see
[23:56] <LaserJock> it's usually ~150-200 in the Ubuntu Developers Launchpad team
[23:57] <LaserJock> but there are also quite a lot of contributing developers one might say
[23:57] <kklimonda|G1> LaserJock: oh? only that much? /me is surprised
[23:58] <ajmitch> kklimonda|G1: that number is still far higher than those who are regularly contributing
[23:58] <LaserJock> 158 is the number of members right now
[23:58] <LaserJock> yeah, I would put the regulars at <= 100 I'd think
[23:58] <kklimonda|G1> ajmitch: i know, but i was under the impression that the number is in high 200s and not 100s :/
[23:59] <LaserJock> it's been that way for years
[23:59] <LaserJock> roughly
[23:59] <LaserJock> between 100 and 150, it seems to have hit some sort of equilibrium


[13:24] <ivanka> Hello. Is anyone around?
[13:33] <dutchie> er
[13:33] <ivanka> hi dutchie
[13:33] <dutchie> why are you called ivanka?
[13:34] <ivanka> got me.
[13:34] <dutchie> aha
[13:34] <ivanka> I'm surprised I can easily change my nick
[13:34] <dutchie> hello twitter
[13:34] <ivanka> even registered ones
[13:34] <dutchie> they can kick you off though
[13:34] <ivanka> obviously the whois gives it away
[13:34] <ivanka> but if I changed my real name and ran through a proxy, then I could easily impersonate someone else
[13:34] <dutchie> see /msg NickServ help ghost
[13:35] <dutchie> but it won't say using the account
[13:35] <dutchie> eg:
[13:35] <dutchie> 13:35:09 [freenode] -!-  account  : dutchie
[13:35] <dutchie> in my whois
[13:35] <ivanka> ?
[13:36] <dutchie> http://pastebin.com/NM1i35gi
[13:36] <dutchie> the whois outputs for both "ivanka" and dutchie
[13:38] <ivanka> okay
[13:38] <dutchie> unmasked ;)
[13:39] <humphreybc> yes
[13:39] <humphreybc> what does my info say now?
[13:45] <dutchie> http://pastebin.com/2s1z4b5R
[20:57] <zekopeko_> hi! is anyone noticing problems with minutes long disk access that lags the entire unity session?