[00:13] <Quaxir> Heydo, anyone still awake here :D?
[00:16] <James147> Quaxir: yup
[00:18] <Quaxir> goodie.. Could you help me in an issue with grub after installing Kubuntu?
[00:19] <James147> Quaxir: only if you say what the issue is
[00:21] <Quaxir> James147, After installing and rebooting computer grub tried to load but gave error screen: "error: no such device <numbers,letters>" and then console-type line: "grub rescue>"
[00:22] <James147> Quaxir: what version of grub? (and kubuntu)?
[00:22] <Quaxir> james147, I'm not 100% sure which version of grub I have :S. Installed it from Kubuntu 10.14 -liveCD
[00:23] <James147> Quaxir: then grub 2 :)
[00:24] <Quaxir> James147, ookey :). I booted back to liveCD. or should I get back to "grub rescue"-thing?
[00:24] <James147> Quaxir: you could try reinstalling grub from a live cd: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20GRUB%202
[00:25] <Quaxir> James147, ookey.. I'll take a look
[00:28] <Quaxir> James147, takes a while..accidentally pressed "ctrl+alt+backspace" =/
[00:30] <James147> Quaxir: didn't think that did anything anymore :S
[00:30] <James147> Quaxir: no wait thats the other one :)
[00:31] <Quaxir> James147, heh.. I thought so too.
[00:39] <Quaxir> James147, finally getting to liveCD desktop again..
[00:51] <Quaxir> James147, installed grub and got output: "no errors", rebooted and still that same "error: no such device: 9050cb...097d." =/
[00:53] <Quaxir> James147, was that intended to happen or did I do something wrong :P?
[00:53] <James147> Quaxir: can you pastebin the output of "sudo blkid -c /dev/null" with the full device id in the error
[00:54] <Quaxir> James147, sure. I'll boot back to liveCD
[01:05] <Quaxir> James147, http://pastebin.com/hXyDbj3j there it is
[01:06] <Quaxir> James147, was it right one or?
[01:07] <James147> Quaxir: Well 8d4820...d8a5 isent the same as 9050cb...097d :S
[01:08] <James147> Quaxir: try doing it this way... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Recover Grub 2 via LiveCD
[01:08] <Quaxir> James147, ookey. I'll take a look
[01:09] <James147> Quaxir: spicifically the "update-grub" part... that should regen the list of oses hopefully with the right device ids
[01:09] <James147> Quaxir: don't think there is much need to do the install part... but it shouldent hurt
[01:10] <Quaxir> James147, ookey. Well as I'm pretty newcomer with this I'll do it step-by-step so I won't miss anything
[01:12] <Quaxir> James147, that "Now mount the rest of your devices and some other things needed in the chroot", do I need to mount all of my hdd's or just those which are listed? (3 ones below that text)
[01:12] <Quaxir> James147, in case you're looking at that guide :P
[01:13] <James147> Quaxir: just what it says
[01:15] <Quaxir> James147, do I have to do anything for "/etc/default/grub" or just open it, save and close?
[01:16] <James147> Quaxir: you dont have to (if you havent edited it then you dont need to save it)
[01:18] <Quaxir> James147, after that "update-grub", when it comes to that I should install GRUB2 to MBR with command "grub-install /dev/sda", do I change that sda to that where bootloader is? (sde)
[01:19] <naught101> is there a way to make my laptop NOT suspend if certain programs are running?
[01:19] <James147> Quaxir: I beleave so yes
[01:22] <Quaxir> James147, I suppose it's time for reboot and see what it says now?
[01:23] <James147> Quaxir: and hope for the best :D
[01:24] <Quaxir> James147, *sigh*.. still that same "error: no such device: ..."
[01:25] <James147> Quaxir: do you get the grub menu? or stright to the error?
[01:25] <Quaxir> James147, straight to the error. No sign of grub menu
[01:26] <James147> Quaxir: try booting while holding the shift key (that should display the menu if its just hidden
[01:26] <Quaxir> ok
[01:29] <Quaxir> James147, when booting and holding shift-key it just flashes "_" and nothing else appears
[01:31] <Quaxir> James147, hm.. now I got "GRUB loading." and then that same error message below it
[01:32] <James147> Quaxir: :( try folling the previous guide again... this time during the edit /etc/default/grub stage add the line "GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID="true""  to it (without quotes execpt for the "true" part.. that needs quotes around it)
[01:32] <James147> Quaxir: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#/etc/default/grub%20(file) will tell you more about the options you can set in it
[01:34] <James147> Quaxir: afraid if that dosnt work I am not sure what else to do :( ... only other thing I would try is to try installing it to /dev/sda if possible (a 10gig partition at the end of the drive should do) or on the disk with windows (if you have windows)... but thoses are just last ditch attempts to get something to work
[01:35] <Quaxir> James147, ok.. I'll try adding that line to /etc/default/grub
[01:36] <Quaxir> James147, I have windows installation on my comp. Hopefully it won't screw up my windows aswell :D
[01:38] <James147> Quaxir: it shouldn't if you shrink the drive (best done from windows, you can boot windows by running the recovery disk and reinstalling the bootloader... there should be guids online as to howto do that)
[01:38] <James147> Quaxir: one other thing you might want to try is to install grub to the drive with windows on... or what ever drive has the MBR on
[01:39] <James147> Quaxir: but I cannot really help beyond that...
[01:39] <Quaxir> James147, now have to ask.. Isn't MBR in automatically on the same hdd/partition as bootloader is?
[01:40] <James147> Quaxir: dosent have to be I dont think... but I do not know that much about it
[01:40] <James147> Quaxir: either way try it with the option first... only if that fails try other things :)
[01:41] <James147> Quaxir: I have to go now, will be on tomorrow if you still need help (although allot earlier :)  ) bye and good luck
[01:42] <Quaxir> James147, ookey. Thanks for your help. :)
[04:17] <trinkel> é
[04:18] <trinkel> nao sei
[04:44] <nuwan> i have problem in installling kubuntu in ubuntu net mix 10.04 because i can't get the file python-kde4_4.4.2-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[04:45] <nuwan> it give a error saying can t fetch this file "python-kde4_4.4.2-0ubuntu2_i386.deb" from apt , synaptic and everything//  itried directly download it and it stope aroudn 44 %...
[05:47] <nica> sup everyone
[05:47] <nica> anyone on ?
[05:51] <nica> anyone there?
[05:51] <maco> nobody here but us chickens
[05:51] <nica> lol
[05:52] <nica> how come no one is chatting?
[05:52] <maco> nobody's asked a support questin lately?
[05:52] <maco> this channel's not as popular as #ubuntu
[05:52] <nica> lol
[05:52] <nica> well i am full of em i am new to ubuntu
[05:53] <maco> are you using ubuntu or kubuntu?
[05:53] <nica> i am having some problems with video and sound conflict
[05:53] <maco> #ubuntu might do better if its hardware related, not kde-specific
[05:53] <maco> since it has more people
[05:54] <nica> well i am kubuntu
[05:54] <nica> would that still help me?
[05:54] <maco> if its a hardware problem, yes
[05:54] <nica> ok thanks
[05:54] <maco> if its somethig about the menus and widgets in kubuntu, then here's better
[05:54] <maco> well and programs of course
[05:55] <nica> how do i switch channels >.<?
[05:55] <maco> /join #ubuntu
[05:55] <maco> or the blue # button at the top of quassel
[05:56] <maco> itll add another channel on the left hand side
[05:56] <nica> thanks
[06:08] <kpkarl> I'm using Kubuntu 9.10 /w KDE 4.4.2. Whenever I open a folder checked out from an SVN server, I noticed dolphin will make a connection to that server. How do I turn this off?
[08:02] <naught101> is there a way to make my laptop NOT suspend if certain programs are running?
[08:31] <kasper> ку
[08:31] <kasper> есть кто
[08:31] <kasper> ?
[08:31] <FloodBotK3> kasper: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:31] <kasper> FloodBotK3: ok $)
[08:32] <kasper> ау!!!
[10:47] <fots> hey guys, is there a way to do full row select in Dolphin?
[10:49] <kpkarl> fots, yes, select the first item, then hold shift and then click the last item
[10:50] <kpkarl> oh wait, its hold shift, then click the first item, and then also click the last item. Sorry for the mixup
[10:56] <fots> kpkarl: thanks wil try now
[10:56] <fots> :)
[10:56] <fots> no worries
[10:56] <kpkarl> your welcome, glad to help
[10:56] <fots> actually mate, i'm not actually trying to select all
[10:57] <fots> what i'm after is a full row select, e.g. you can click to the right of a name and it selects it
[10:57] <fots> lol :)
[10:57] <kpkarl> I'm not sure what you mean
[10:57] <fots> a bit hard to explain, sorta like windows
[10:57] <fots> oh lemme see if i can find a screenie
[10:57] <fots> thanks heaps mate :D
[10:58] <kpkarl> ok
[10:58] <quaxir> hmm.. just a question, but what is that program/gadget in Kubuntu liveCD which makes that "Desktop screen" to my desktop? I'd like to have that in actual hdd-version aswell :)
[10:59] <fots> e.g. http://www.mydigitallife.info/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/hack-windows-seven-rfm-396x300.jpg see how the whole row is selected for explorer.exe?
[11:00] <kpkarl> oh, click the details button
[11:01] <kpkarl> quaxir, do you mean the "show desktop" widget?
[11:02] <quaxir> kpkarl, not 100% sure but if I saw it I'd recognize it
[11:03] <fots> kpkarl: already done the details view buddy, but when i select a file, it doesn't select the entire row, only the filename itself
[11:03] <fots> does that make sense?
[11:03] <fots> sorry if i'm unclear?
[11:04] <kpkarl> fots, yes it makes sense. But I'm not sure how to make it do that. Sorry
[11:05] <kpkarl> quaxir, do you mean this button: http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/4131/kubuntu1004mainmenu.png
[11:06] <fots> no worries mate
[11:06] <quaxir> kpkarl, actually I mean that rectangle in upper left corner
[11:06] <fots> thanks for attempting to help me anyway, really appreciate it
[11:06] <fots> :)
[11:07] <kpkarl> quaxir, you mean the desktop folder? Do you want it as the desktop, or as a window like that?
[11:07] <quaxir> kpkarl, that window itself
[11:08] <kpkarl> ok, right-click on the desktop. Then click add widgets. the widget you are looking for is called folder view. Just drag it onto your desktop
[11:10] <quaxir> kpkarl, oh thank you :). I'm pretty new with Kubuntu (and linuxes aswell :D), had a fight with GRUB last night to get GRUB itself loading
[11:11] <kpkarl> quaxir, your welcome. I'm glad to help
[11:15] <Amol> Audio problem in KDE
[11:16] <Amol> !audio
[11:36] <Peace-> Amol: ?
[11:46] <quaxir> alsa
[11:46] <quaxir> wops, wrong
[12:03] <sobczyk> hi, I switched from a 2 monitor setup (laptop + external one) to just laptop, now i dont have the main panel visible, is there a way to bring it back?
[12:03] <sobczyk> besides when switching to only laptop I get the view from the other screen (that does not have a bar)
[12:05] <well_laid_lawn> sobczyk: is there a file /etc/X11/xorg.conf that mentions two monitors?
[12:06] <sobczyk> well_laid_lawn: two monitors one screen
[12:07] <sobczyk> and I have no idea how to bring back the main bar from the non-visible area
[12:09] <well_laid_lawn> if xorg.conf is set for two screens move it to a diff name and let the system autoconfigure for the one monitor
[12:09] <sobczyk> it seems when I switch to laptop only I get the wrong monitor setup (1680x1050) instead of the laptop native, so some areas are not visible
[12:09] <sobczyk> shouldn't kde handle that on the fly?
[12:09] <sobczyk> I disconnect the external and just the external area is switched off?
[12:10] <well_laid_lawn> it is more an X thing - if you name two monitors in a config file...
[12:11] <sobczyk> is there a way to do multiple monitors on proprietary drivers without xorg.conf?
[12:12] <well_laid_lawn> http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12   might give a clue
[12:12] <well_laid_lawn> I never bother with two monitors
[12:31] <tumas> can anyone help me to find a software for linux, which can automatically search for album covers only by the artist-name and music-title?
[12:32] <tumas> i only know of the amarok-plugin, but it takes years if i have to search for every song seperate
[12:37] <tumas> no music fans around here? ;)
[12:47] <daedaluz> tumas: what do you mean by separately?
[12:56] <tumas> got it? ;)
[13:03] <venkat_4> Hi room
[13:04] <venkat_4> I have a query..
[13:04] <venkat_4> Will gtalk can be installed in Ubuntu?
[13:08] <tumas> http://www.google.com/talk/otherclients.html: only for windows so far
[13:08] <wastrel> google hates linux
[13:08] <tumas> ^^
[13:09] <tumas> but pidgin obviously supports google talk
[13:13] <well_laid_lawn> google doesn't hate linux - there's   http://www,google.com/linux
[13:14] <Pici> Anything that supports custom xmpp servers (jabber) supports google talk
[13:17] <tumas> my recorded radio songs are still looking forward to some album cover art :P help! ;)
[13:27] <avihay> venkat_4: probably not, atleast not directly
[13:28] <avihay> you can try to wine the winxp version
[13:33] <judgen> How do i get dekorator for kde3 in lucid installed? only the kde4 package is installed.
[13:43] <khayeus> low
[13:53]  * Sleeping is away: Gone away for now
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[13:56] <Pici> Sleeping: Please disable that here.
[13:56] <Sleeping> k
[13:57] <slow-motion> hi
[13:57] <mrt12> hi
[13:57] <mrt12> I want to ask a quesiton but I dont know if it is right place
[13:58] <mrt12> I have character encoding problem with xml
[13:58] <mrt12> how can I solve it
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[15:56] <donaldbrasco> hey - I'm interested in selling my laptop and desktop pc's (both running lucid) and picking up a nice little netbook.  Anyone have any suggestions as to which model would be the best to pick up?
[15:56] <donaldbrasco> I've been researching online, but having a hard time deciding
[15:57] <donaldbrasco> I obviously want to run linux on that as well
[16:02] <James147> donaldbrasco: I have found the asus eee pc work really well with kubuntu
[16:03] <donaldbrasco> james147: yeah, that one's on my shortlist
[16:09] <slinker1> +1 for the eee
[16:13] <aguitel> how restore default desktop folders ?
[16:15] <James147> aguitel: can you explain abit more... are you trying to get the folder widget back onto the desktop?
[16:16] <aguitel> James147, yes but it is my /home folder
[16:17] <James147> aguitel: if the folder view widget is already on your desktop you can configure the folder it should by right clicking it > folder view settings
[16:18] <aguitel> James147, i will try
[16:20] <aguitel> James147, thanks
[16:32] <solifugus> I created a tunnel at localhost port 2222 to go thru a firewall via ssh.. it's works from the commandline but konqueror.. just sits there spinning...
[16:32] <solifugus> Using:  fish://mtedder@localhost:2222
[16:33] <solifugus> I c.. It's just sitting there spinning no matter where I fish to..
[16:33] <James147> solifugus: try it with the sftp:// protocal if you can
[16:34] <solifugus> no diff with sftp
[16:36] <solifugus> my konqueror or kioslave must be foo bar'd... iduno..
[16:55] <quaxir> Hello.. it's me again, but.. does anyone have an idea what's going on with my Kubuntu as it resets my screen resolution back to default every time I reboot?
[16:58] <James147> quaxir: what graphics driver are you using?
[16:59] <quaxir> james147, I'm not sure actually. but after installin nvidia-settings (I have nvidia graphics card), I get notice message: "You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver. etcetc"
[17:01] <James147> quaxir: then your using the open source nvidia driver :)... think the proprity ones works better atm... you can install them using jockey-kde ("hardware drivers" in the menu)
[17:02] <quaxir> james147, and remove that nvidia-settings?
[17:02] <James147> quaxir: that should enable the drivers as well so you will need to restart x after they are installed (logout and there should be a restart x server option in one of the menus)
[17:02] <James147> quaxir: it will jsut be reinstalled with the drivers
[17:03] <quaxir> james147, ookey. I'll try :)
[17:38] <quaxir> ps. if anyone said anything about that being unavailable to save xorg.conf, I didn't see it because of dc
[17:39] <James147> quaxir: didnt see that message ^^
[17:40] <quaxir> James147, oh.. I'll re-send it
[17:40] <James147> quaxir: but my guess is that you are not sunning nvidia-settings as root (you need to inorder to save the xorg.conf file
[17:40] <James147> s/sunning/running/
[17:41] <quaxir> James147, Thanks :), resolution problem is fixed. However now I'm  unavailable to change anything in that nvidia-settings -program.  Reports an error because not available to save xorg.conf
[17:41] <quaxir> James147, Thanks :), resolution problem is fixed. However now I'm unavailable to change anything in that nvidia-settings -program. Reports an error because not available to save xorg.conf
[17:41] <James147> quaxir: run it as root "kdesudo nvidia-settings"
[17:42] <quaxir> James147, Thanks :). Resolution problem is fixed. However I'm now unavailable to change anything in that nvidia-settings -program. Reports an error because not availabe to save xorg.conf
[17:42] <James147> ^^
[17:42] <quaxir> Sorry everybody about spam =(
[17:43]  * urgen suns his video card for better resolution... does it need sunglasses now?
[17:43] <urgen> oh I do
[17:47] <quaxir> James147, even running nvidia-settings with kdesudo
[17:47] <James147> quaxir: whats the error message?
[17:48] <quaxir> james147, "Failed to parse existing X config file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'! "
[17:49] <James147> quaxir: rename /etc/X11/xorg.conf (add .bak to the end or somehting) then recreate it using "sudo nvidia-xconfig"  then try nvidia settings again as root
[17:50] <quaxir> james147, ok. Just a sec
[17:52] <quaxir> James147, getting error message: "Bareweord found where operator expected at (eval 1) line 1, near "/etc/X11" (Missing operator before X11?)
[17:53] <James147> O-o
[17:53] <James147> when running what exatcly?
[17:54] <quaxir> James147, "sudo rename /etc/X11/xorg.conf xorg.conf.bak"
[17:55] <James147> quaxir: "sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak"  is how i usually do it...
[17:55]  * James147 goes to look up this "rename" command
[17:58] <James147> quaxir: if you care at all it look like the rename command is a batch renamer "rename perlexpr [files]" is how you use if where perlexpr is a perl expression such as 's/foo/bar/'
[18:00] <quaxir> James147, oh..sorry, habits from Windows world. Now I managed to rename that file without errors, but saving xorg.conf doesn't.. "Unable to open X config file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' for writing. "
[18:01] <James147> quaxir: recreate xorg.conf using "sudo nvidia-xconfig"
[18:03] <quaxir> james147, still getting error when saving xorg.conf. I seem to miss pkg-config and gtk -modules. + when trying to save my settings it gives just that same error message as earlier
[18:05] <James147> quaxir: :s cant remember, but I have a feeling its a non fatal error... try restarting X and see if it works :)  if it dosent rename or delete /etc/X11/xorg.conf recreate it again and restart kdm "sudo restart kdm"
[18:06] <quaxir> James147, ookey. Just a sec
[18:11] <quaxir> James147, restarted X, deleted and recreated xorg.conf but still that same unable to open X config etc
[18:12] <quaxir> James147, what was that kdm somethingsomething I should try?
[18:14] <James147> quaxir: that only restart kdm... you shouldent need it atm
[18:15] <quaxir> james147, kk. *sigh*, why this is always so hard :(
[18:15] <James147> quaxir: didn't think it was... :S didn't have that many problems when I did mine
[18:17] <quaxir> James147, Could it work if I manually editted changes to xorg.conf?
[18:17] <James147> quaxir: probally  agood idea to start from scratch :)  "sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf"... then logout and press Alt+Crtl+F1 to switch to a virtual terminal stop kdm "sudo stop kdm" and recreate the xorg.conf "sudo nvidia-xconfig" then restart kdm "sudo start kdm"
[18:18] <MIH1406> are there any extra themes for kubuntu in the official or comunity repos?
[18:18] <James147> quaxir: that would work...
[18:18] <James147> MIH1406: themes for what par tof kubuntu?
[18:18] <quaxir> James147, I'll try that manual edit now.
[18:19] <James147> quaxir: although it would be more hassel (i would try the above first then lookinto manualy editting it)
[18:19] <quaxir> James147, ookey.. I'll try that then :D
[18:20] <MIH1406> Style, Window Decoration, Icons, Splash Screen and Login Screen
[18:21] <MIH1406> James147: Style, Window Decoration, Icons, Splash Screen and Login Screen
[18:21] <James147> MIH1406: don't know of a way to edit them all with one theme... need to get a theem for each of the sepertlly
[18:21] <MIH1406> yes I mean that
[18:21] <James147> MIH1406: kde can auto download and install themes for those compoents in their respicitive settings
[18:22] <James147> MIH1406: although some of them didn't work very well in kde 4.4.x (it was improved on allot in kde 4.5)
[18:22] <picard1421> hey guys im looking for the kde4-devel package for ubuntu 10.04
[18:22] <MIH1406> James147: Yes, but not for the "widget style"
[18:23] <picard1421> i have kubuntu desktop installed is the devel package already installed?
[18:23] <James147> picard1421: only if you installed it
[18:23] <picard1421> whats the apt-get for the devel package
[18:23] <picard1421> for kde4?
[18:23] <picard1421> i tired
[18:24] <picard1421> sudo apt-get install kde4-devel ..
[18:24] <picard1421> did not work..)):
[18:24] <James147> picard1421: they normally have -dev  or -devel after the package name
[18:24] <MIH1406> What is Oxygen? is it a theme or an engain?
[18:24] <picard1421> i tried kde4-dev and kde4-devel
[18:24] <James147> MIH1406: a theme
[18:25] <picard1421> im doing kde-devel
[18:25] <picard1421> hopefully that is the same thing as kde4-devel ???
[18:25] <picard1421> i can only hopee )(:
[18:25] <James147> picard1421: kde-devel
[18:26] <James147> picard1421: it depends on 4.x stuff so it is kde 4 :)
[18:26] <picard1421> kk (**:
[18:26] <James147> MIH1406: the widget style is a bit weird in the wayt it works...
[18:27] <quaxir> James147, did those fancy things in command line. Should I now try to edit xorg.conf with nvidia-settings?
[18:28] <James147> MIH1406: look for a theme you like here: http://kde-look.org/?xcontentmode=9  then you need to figurew out which theme engin it works with :(
[18:28] <James147> quaxir: yes
[18:28]  * James147 likes the bespin theme engine :D
[18:29] <Randy__> clear
[18:29] <MIH1406> James147: thank you
[18:30] <quaxir> james147, still no progress. Same errors. http://pastebin.com/6K43dVHy (terminal's output)
[18:31] <James147> quaxir: do you have pkg-config installed?
[18:34] <quaxir> james147, yes I have. installed it in the beginning when that unable to save xorg.conf appeared
[18:34] <quaxir> james147, removed it somewhile though :S, thought it hasn't anything effect. But now it's installed
[18:35] <James147> quaxir: whats the output of "pkg-config --version"?
[18:35] <quaxir> james147, 0.22
[18:35] <James147> quaxir: :S
[18:36] <quaxir> james147, should it be more recent?
[18:36] <James147> quaxir: no thats fine... looking at it again it looks like your missing a module named gtk :( ... (grr gtk)
[18:37] <James147> quaxir: try installing python-gtk2
[18:38]  * James147 should read the entire error message rather then guessing at whats wrong
[18:39] <quaxir> james147, done
[18:39] <James147> quaxir: :) now try nvidia-settings as root again... hope it works
[18:43] <picard1421> im looking for this.. but this folder does not exist??? Edit /usr/kde/4/share/config/kdm/kdmrc
[18:43] <picard1421> search for PluginsLogin
[18:43] <picard1421> uncomment the line and add
[18:44] <quaxir> james147, relogging. This time no errors when saving xorg.conf with nvidia-settings :)
[18:44] <picard1421> wher is the kdmrc folder located with the plugs info ??
[18:46] <James147> picard1421: didnt think kdmrc would be a folder... *rc are usually files... have one at /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc
[18:46] <picard1421> kk oen sec
[18:47] <ralph_> I've got a problem which involves kmix, ill paste the error message after this. But I can workaround this by after each reboot and login by doing a "sudo service kdm restart". Then all will work fine...
[18:47] <ralph_> <unknown program name>(2990)/: Communication problem with  "kmix" , it probably crashed.
[18:47] <ralph_> Error message was:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken." "
[18:48] <ralph_> Anyone can shed a light on this? Tried various googled stuff but no go there
[18:54] <ralph_> Please anyone?
[18:54] <quaxir> james147, now I can move my cursor to another screen but not applications
[18:55] <James147> quaxir: dual screen? set as twinview?
[18:56] <quaxir> james147, yes I have dualview and set it to twinview
[18:56] <picard1421> ok when i log into KDM there is no place where i can choose to use face authentication.. i modded kde4/kdmrc to load plugsin class,faceauthenticate.. but its still not working????
[18:57] <James147> quaxir: :s dont know why you cant drag application to the toher screen... what happens when you try?
[18:57] <quaxir> james147, should I force apply changes (not revers even they're still wrong), log out and reset X
[18:58] <quaxir> james147, my 2nd screen is still black and when I move my cursor to there it's only "X"-sign instead of normal "arrow-type cursor"
[18:58] <quaxir> james147, should I enable "xinerama"-option aswell?
[18:58] <James147> quaxir: ahh :) sounds like twinview is working but kde is only using one screen :S try looking in system settings > display
[18:59] <quaxir> james147, ookey :), I'll try
[18:59] <James147> quaxir: shouldnt need that with twinview
[18:59] <quaxir> james147, hm. kde's own display manager doesn't even identify that 2nd screen
[19:04] <James147> quaxir: twinview is anoying in that it looks like one big screen :( kde should be able to create virtual screen though under the multiple monitors setting in display
[19:06] <quaxir> james147, I'll try to relog if it has any change
[19:06] <picard1421> im having a problem using plugins with KDM... im using the default theme but i dont see a menu or anyplace where i can use a plugin with KDM... do i need a different theme for KDM how do i do that etc??
[19:06] <picard1421> i followed this guide... http://lifeasiknow-it.blogspot.com/2009/08/pam-face-authentication-musings-how-to.html
[19:13] <quaxir> james147, well now I can move programs between these two displays but kde's display manager shows them as one display (because of twinview?)
[19:14] <James147> quaxir: yeah, mine dose the same... although kde should use them as two screens
[19:15] <quaxir> yeah, when I fullscreen ex. irssi, I'll get it only for either of these so it basically works
[19:15] <James147> quaxir: its just the stupid way nvidia's twinview works... combines the screens into one virtual desktop which kde then has to split them back up into two screens :S
[19:15] <|sysop|> hi
[19:16] <quaxir> james147, Thank you again for a lot of support, time and patience with me :D.
[19:17] <quaxir> james147, raid starting in WoW soon so have to boot to windows.  I run this python program as a non privileged user and it doesnt have the permissions it needs but when I run it as root I get pyhton errors. whats wrong?
[19:18] <James147> |sysop|: don't know... need to knwo what the errors are
[19:19] <|sysop|> thanks. sure brb
[19:19] <James147> |sysop|: and might help to also know what the program is/is ment to do
[19:20] <|sysop|> gdiskdump
[19:20] <|sysop|> /usr/bin/gdiskdump:339: GtkWarning: Ignoring the separator setting
[19:20] <|sysop|>   builder.add_from_file(ui_filename)
[19:20] <|sysop|> Traceback (most recent call last):
[19:20] <|sysop|>   File "/usr/bin/gdiskdump", line 357, in <module>
[19:20] <FloodBotK3> |sysop|: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:20] <|sysop|>     window = NewGdiskdumpWindow()
[19:20] <|sysop|> hi
[19:21] <James147> |sysop|: can you pastebin the full error, it makes it easier to read
[19:21] <|sysop|> sure brb
[19:21] <Don_jr> I have just finished doing a dist upgrade in hopes that it would fix my resolution but no luck.
[19:22] <Don_jr> fresh install, fresh dist upgrade to 10.04 and my Samsung SyncMaster731b is not recognized and nothing I've changed in the xorg.conf has made any difference.  Any suggestions?
[19:23] <James147> Don_jr: would help to know what graphics driver you are using
[19:23] <|sysop|> http://paste.ubuntu.com/471196/
[19:23] <|sysop|> its gdiskdump
[19:23] <Don_jr> the proprietary nvidia drivers, ver. 97, proper drivers for the old mx4000 card I have.  Everything worked fine till I put on this monitor
[19:24] <Don_jr> if I put my old CRT monitor on, it configs and works fine, change to this one and I lose all resolutions
[19:25] <|sysop|> btw I am running 9.10 on a emac ppc.
[19:26] <James147> Don_jr: I would plug it in and run "kdeusdo nvidia-settings" to configure it...
[19:27] <Don_jr> James147 I've run the nvidia-settings it doesn't allow any configuration, just allows me to choose between the 2 low resolutions it's allowing.
[19:28] <James147> |sysop|: where did you get that program?
[19:34] <Don_jr> here is my xorg.conf   http://pastebin.com/M1LeEWUk
[19:39] <picard1421> i tried installing a theme.. i downloaded the folder and put it in my /usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/themes
[19:39] <picard1421> but whwenever i boot it gives me an erro and takes me to CLI???
[19:39] <WaltzingAlong> check out the x log and kdm log
[19:39] <picard1421> hmm?
[19:40] <picard1421> is there anything i have to setup
[19:40] <picard1421> i literally
[19:40] <picard1421> DL'd the folders
[19:40] <picard1421> extracted them
[19:40] <FloodBotK3> picard1421: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:40] <picard1421> and just in the kdmrc file ... edited the location to those new folders.. they were kde4 themes
[19:43] <WaltzingAlong> no need to make it guess work, look at the logs
[19:46] <picard1421> what would i look for
[19:46] <picard1421> im not sure what im looking for in the logs.. i tried two different themes.. i just DL'd them from kde-apps.org
[19:46] <WaltzingAlong> errors
[19:47] <WaltzingAlong> i do not know why it is not working either. you could switch back to how it was before, see if the error goes away
[19:48] <picard1421> where do i type that in
[19:49] <picard1421> ea i switched to the old theme
[19:49] <picard1421> no problems..
[19:49] <picard1421> but that theme does not have the "menu" so i can switch plugins for authentications... basically is there an easy way to install KDM themes etc.. cause this manual way kind of scks
[19:49] <WaltzingAlong> picard1421: and the error that it gives you when using the other themes?
[19:50] <WaltzingAlong> picard1421: through systemsettings / login screen
[19:50] <picard1421> ons ec..
[19:50] <picard1421> ok i just pressed hte k
[19:50] <Don_jr> Any advice or help with my resolution problem yet?  You can see my xorg.conf here  http://pastebin.com/M1LeEWUk   Though no changes I've made to it have seemed to have any effect.
[19:52] <WaltzingAlong> Don_jr: and the log /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:54] <|sysop|> hey James147 sorry was afk
[19:54] <|sysop|> I got the deb from the installers website.
[19:54] <|sysop|> developers website I mean
[19:55] <Don_jr> WaltzingAlong here is the Xorg.0.log   http://pastebin.com/VdUEUb3p
[19:56] <|sysop|> ok gotta go do stuff in rl. ttyl.
[19:58] <Don_jr> Just noticed it said no monitor set up for the screen, I've changed that, going to restart and see if it helps.  Will be back to let you know.
[19:58] <WaltzingAlong> Don_jr: well you can see there no valid modes for those three resolutions
[20:04] <Don_jr> Yup, that did it.  Thanks a ton.
[21:00] <magaly> hi
[21:16] <slow-motion> hi
[22:10] <picard1421> how do i change KDE theme??
[22:10] <picard1421> air is not working for my plugin.. what do i do to change the KDM theme sorry.. (:
[22:29] <picard1421> im having problmes installing a greeter
[22:29] <picard1421> plugin
[22:29] <picard1421> im following htis guide
[22:29] <picard1421> http://blog.lowkey.net.my/category/howto/pam-face-authentication/
[22:29] <picard1421> for the kdm greeter plugin
[22:30] <kubuntu> ciao
[22:31] <kubuntu> olla
[22:31] <kubuntu> buna
[22:31] <kubuntu> hi
[22:31] <kubuntu> merhaba
[22:32] <kubuntu> holla
[22:37] <picard1421> hey.. where do i find the "oxygen" theme for greeter?
[22:37] <picard1421> for login?
[22:49] <picard1421> looking for oxygen login theme for ubunt?
[22:51] <picard1421> ok i see hte desktop theme in desktop theme details but i cannot select this theme!!! why can i only select air.. not oxygen>??Z?Z?Z?
[23:37] <chx> scanning in skanlite is maddenning, it wants to save a separate image for every speck of dirt. how can i just scan a single page?


[20:28] <kamel__> hi sorry, for some reason ive been stuck for a hour now, i need to add a .jar file to my class path using command in linux, how can i do that?


[05:48] <mapps> hey all
[05:48] <mapps> morning
[06:20] <MooDoo> morning
[06:21] <mapps> morning MooDoo
[06:46] <MooDoo> am I blind or has there been nothing from sabdfl re jono leaving canonical?  would of thought there would be a blog post or something.
[06:54] <Myrtti> well, we might see something today
[06:54] <Myrtti> or Monday
[06:54] <Myrtti> day is still early
[06:54] <Myrtti> and young
[07:00] <MooDoo> Yeah I suppose
[07:03] <Myrtti> he encircled me on Google+ earlier, I just went What the, what have I done wrong now
[07:08] <MooDoo> lol :D
[07:10] <MooDoo> have you been naughty Myrtti
[07:10] <Myrtti> yeah, I've left all Ubuntu IRC channel bar this
[07:11] <MooDoo> Myrtti: how come?
[07:11] <Myrtti> need to distance myself for a while lest I rip peoples heads off
[07:12] <MooDoo> oh no :(
[07:12] <Myrtti> this channel is nice and mellow with very few trolls at all so I don't mind being here
[07:12] <MooDoo> I understand
[07:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> And we talk about food mainly ;-)
[07:34] <MooDoo> chiili
[07:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> +1
[07:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-L5W8lDEU4Cs/U4dnA4qDuII/AAAAAAAAQxs/Xh8HDjt04Rc/w654-h872-no/20140529_174328.jpg << A Pink Tiger about to flower
[07:36] <MooDoo> :)
[07:38] <Myrtti> I took some piccies of ours yesterday https://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/
[07:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> Cool.
[07:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> Why has everyone else got ripe pods except me :-(
[07:38] <MooDoo> ooo they are looking good Myrtti
[07:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> Lemon Drop is a lovely chilli. C.Baccatum
[07:42] <Myrtti> I didn't pick the chilies :-D
[07:42] <Myrtti> I picked tomatoes and the courgette
[07:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> My Polytunnel as of the 23rd May: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-tdBOuaC7FwM/U4CRfai9AZI/AAAAAAAAQZE/NK4G--wOwCE/w1162-h872-no/20140523_174632.jpg
[07:43] <Myrtti> we started small
[07:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> So did I.
[07:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> But it's addictive...
[07:43] <Myrtti> this is the first summer I'm planning to spend in UK for the whole time bar a week in August
[07:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> Next year I will probably need ~3000'ft of commercial glasshouse
[07:44] <MooDoo> TheOpenSourcerer's Chilli Company LTD :)
[07:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[07:44] <Myrtti> next year I'll buy another of those Hozelock boxes
[07:44] <MooDoo> Buy our chillies they are magic :)
[07:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> You can be in charge of marketing MooDoo
[07:45] <Myrtti> or two more
[07:45] <Myrtti> one for courgette, one for tomatoes, one for chillies
[07:46] <Myrtti> courgette is such a nice veg when it's grilled proper
[07:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> Courgettes will do better in the ground - the plant will grow *very* large
[07:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> spreads out over the floor
[07:47] <Myrtti> marinated and grilled for 10 minutes on both sides
[07:47] <Myrtti> mmmm.
[08:06] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:06] <bashrc> morning
[08:19] <popey> Today I re-discovered that I have about 20 "work" shirts in my cupboard that I haven't worn for 2.5 years, since I worked in an office.
[08:22] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Loomis Day! :-D
[08:22] <SuperMatt> I haven't work workshirts for about 2 years too, but I have to admit its so much nicer
[08:22] <SuperMatt> wherever I work after the rack, I'm probably not going to allow myself to dress so stuffily
[08:24] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: isn't rackspace a casual place?  ie jeans and a t?
[08:25] <MooDoo> I've been here 8 years and do sometimes prefer to wear a shirt, although it's only a casual one.
[08:26] <MooDoo> I suppose they would frown if I wore my Managers suck tshirt lo
[08:28] <andylockran> morning all
[08:29] <SuperMatt> MooDoo: yeah, rackspace is casual
[08:29] <davmor2> MooDoo: but surely you could claim it was a form of religious flagellation you are a manager of sorts :P
[08:29] <MooDoo> davmor2: lol yea I was thinking that :)
[08:44] <foobarry> anyone going to the canonical sponsored openstack thingy next week in london?
[08:45] <andylockran> MooDoo: you @ Rackspace?  (thought you were at Heart)
[08:48] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:50] <MooDoo> andylockran: no not at rackspace, still at heart
[08:50] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[08:50] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[08:53] <MooDoo> andylockran: think i'm part of the furniture now, 8 years :S
[08:56] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:56] <MooDoo> morning bigcalm
[08:57] <bigcalm> Howdo MooDoo
[09:07] <davmor2> Morning bigcalm
[09:09] <bigcalm> o/
[09:15] <SuperMatt> work up
[09:15] <SuperMatt> word up
[09:15] <SuperMatt> not work up
[09:15] <SuperMatt> that would be silly
[09:16] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: go get coffee ;)
[09:17]  * awilkins has aeropress coffee
[09:20] <SuperMatt> I don't drink coffee
[09:20] <SuperMatt> I generally don't drink hot drinks
[09:20] <SuperMatt> they hold little appeal for me
[09:22] <foobarry> +1
[09:22] <foobarry> ribena ftw
[09:22]  * TheOpenSourcerer just booked to see Steven fry in London in October.
[09:22] <foobarry> a date?
[09:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> 1st
[09:23] <foobarry> is it a date
[09:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.southbankcentre.co.uk/whatson/stephen-fry-live-84695?dt=2014-10-01
[09:23] <foobarry> did anyone see my openstack question? anyone going on 4th june to the thing in london?
[09:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Saw it. Not going.
[09:25] <SuperMatt> ok, I've just ordered settlers of catan :D
[09:27] <foobarry> what happens if there's a riot outside a death metal gig?
[09:27] <foobarry> police arrive and you get the kettlers of satan
[09:28] <MooDoo> foobarry: that the redhat one?
[09:28] <foobarry> MooDoo: the canonical sponsored one http://www.eventbooking.uk.com/openstack/home.html
[09:29] <MooDoo> ah
[09:29] <MooDoo> ooo nice
[09:31] <SuperMatt> good to see rackspace is involved in there :D
[09:31] <bigcalm> Towing the company line ;)
[09:31] <SuperMatt> though it's a little annoying that no one has asked me if I wanted to go :(
[09:31] <foobarry> i just did
[09:32] <foobarry> ;)
[09:32] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: you need to be asked?
[09:32] <SuperMatt> yeah, but I mean for free
[09:32] <SuperMatt> you know
[09:33] <SuperMatt> because I'm a racker
[09:33] <SuperMatt> this should could as internal training
[09:33] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: ask your boss then or team lead, that'swhat they are there for.
[09:33] <foobarry> thats what i did
[09:33] <foobarry> so its "free" in the sense my co is paying
[09:33] <SuperMatt> very true
[09:33] <foobarry> actually my boss asked me
[09:33] <MooDoo> nice boss
[09:33] <SuperMatt> tbh, openstack isn't what I'm interested in
[09:34] <SuperMatt> I like containers
[09:34] <foobarry> there was an event on that this week SuperMatt but i found out too late
[09:34] <foobarry> looked good
[09:34] <SuperMatt> you mean DevOps Exchange?
[09:34] <SuperMatt> cos I was there :D
[09:35] <foobarry> yeah
[09:35] <foobarry> was it good
[09:35] <foobarry> was it youtubed/videod
[09:35] <SuperMatt> it was, yeah
[09:35] <SuperMatt> it was, yeah
[09:35] <foobarry> stupid out of hours things
[09:35] <SuperMatt> I still skipped work for the day ;)
[09:35] <foobarry> i am allergic to the word devops
[09:36] <foobarry> ugh the openstack thing is not a credit card payment
[09:37] <popey> how do you pay?
[09:38] <foobarry> says they will send an invoice
[09:38] <foobarry> sucks for me
[09:38] <foobarry> 1.The registration fee is payable in advance and includes presentations, documentation, refreshment breaks, and lunch.
[09:38] <foobarry> not sure that will happen, companies pay invoices on a month end basis
[09:39] <foobarry> not sure = 0% chance
[09:39] <popey> want me to check for you?
[09:39] <foobarry> woops, there's a yellow box
[09:39] <foobarry> right at the bottom
[09:39] <foobarry> credt card payment
[09:39] <foobarry> :D
[09:39] <popey> haha
[09:39] <foobarry> evil trick
[09:39]  * popey deletes the draft email
[09:40] <foobarry> :P
[09:40] <foobarry> are you going?
[09:40] <popey> nah, I'm not a cloud person
[09:41] <SuperMatt> popey: neither are most of my customers, but it doesn't stop them trying
[09:41] <SuperMatt> oh how hard they try
[09:51] <foobarry> there's a lot of fluff in cloud tech
[09:52] <foobarry> but looks like i will have a massive need next yr
[09:52] <foobarry> M of £ worth
[09:53] <awilkins> All I want is the ability to push a button and summon forth a server
[09:53] <awilkins> But our ICT dept. only support Windows
[09:54] <awilkins> So you have to have procurement discussions because it costs money for all the licenses
[09:54] <awilkins> :-(
[09:54] <awilkins> And then, of course, you have a Windows server, another problem child in the kindergarten of the server room
[09:54] <foobarry> awilkins: you need to push a button and get a new job
[09:56]  * foobarry is sad that he has to click "middle manager" as his job on surveys
[09:56] <awilkins> I allegedly manage some programmers
[09:56] <awilkins> But I also code
[10:06] <Myrtti> wow. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/27/if-we-cant-change-economic-system-our-number-is-up
[10:16] <bashrc> I think a lot of the "growth" could be fictitious
[10:17] <TwistedLucidity> I have never understood why an economey has to "grow" to be seen as good. Luckily for the planet, I'm not an economist.
[10:18] <bashrc> do I have access to more goods and services than I did a decade ago? Am I using consumables at a higher rate? I don't think so.
[10:19] <bigcalm> There are more of us
[10:19] <bashrc> true
[10:19] <TwistedLucidity> The only need for an economy to grow IMHO is if the population increases.
[10:19] <TwistedLucidity> But, in the West anyway, that increase is slowing. Maybe even reversing.
[10:20] <bigcalm> Japan has negative population growth
[10:20] <bashrc> yes, in some regards I use fewer consumables than I did a decade ago
[10:21] <TwistedLucidity> bigcalm: And IIRC a shrinking economy. But it's shrinking less than the population so wealth-per-head is increasing.
[10:23] <bashrc> also there's a lot of production which isn't counted as production
[10:31] <awilkins> I think this channel probably has a strong contingent of the "technology will (must) fix things!" guys (like me)
[10:31] <TwistedLucidity> Anyone ever heard of Ubuntu not printing yellow (affects 2 printers - Epson and HP)?
[10:31] <awilkins> The problem the "Consume less!" lobby has is that it sounds like going back to the dark ages to most people
[10:32] <TwistedLucidity> "Consumer smarter!" :-)
[10:32] <TwistedLucidity> Ooops...trailing "r" there by mistake
[10:32] <awilkins> I think "Produce smarter" is probably the key
[10:33] <awilkins> What we have at the moment is "Produce the dumbest way possible that we can get away with"
[10:35] <TwistedLucidity> More like "Produce the lowest quality, for the shortest working-life and sell at the highest price the market will stand".
[10:47] <TwistedLucidity> Personal 3D printers downloading designs from "the cloud" will solve everything.
[11:05] <shauno> wow.  scheduled a ups pickup for 12-5pm.  they show up at 12:03.  I wish they were that punctual delivering
[11:11] <foobarry> very wow
[11:13] <SuperMatt> shauno: problem is now you have 5 hours of time to fill
[11:14] <shauno> hah, kerbal space program tends to solve that problem with ruthless efficiency
[11:24] <foobarry>  watch Star Trek: Into the Darkness with a live orchestra at the Royal Albert Hall
[12:20] <nucc1> hi guys, if my custom C program dumps core, where can I find it on ubuntu ?
[12:22] <foobarry> in the current working directory?
[12:22] <nucc1> none there
[12:23] <foobarry> check ulimit -a
[12:24] <foobarry> core file size
[12:24] <nucc1> foobarry: gotcha. it says 0.
[12:24] <nucc1> :)
[12:24] <foobarry> \o/
[12:24] <foobarry> ulimit -c unlimited
[12:24] <foobarry> then try again
[12:24] <nucc1> thanks. i'm probably ok from here :)
[12:45] <foobarry> i broke the conference registration
[12:45] <MooDoo> foobarry: well done :D
[12:53] <foobarry> i do try.
[13:02] <foobarry> i know its friday afternoon, but i'm off to pull plugs on stuff
[13:03] <bashrc> happy unplugging
[13:04] <foobarry> resilience testing on some soon to be prod kit
[13:04] <foobarry> although we're kind of using it already :S
[13:19] <diddledan> yey for the beta internet
[13:20] <diddledan> the comment I'm referencing is in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17GtmwyvmWE
[13:31] <bigcalm> Does google auto archive all hangouts?
[13:33] <popey> no
[13:33] <popey> only hangouts on air
[13:37] <bigcalm> Okay
[13:43] <marxjohnson> OR SO THEY SAY
[13:48] <davmor2> marxjohnson: google don't the nsa might
[13:49] <diddledan> calea
[13:49] <diddledan> certainly in american devices they can
[13:49] <diddledan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Assistance_for_Law_Enforcement_Act
[13:50] <bigcalm> I'm not bothered. But it would have been nice to have records of team meetings
[13:55] <MooDoo> bigcalm: you can record them if I'm not mistaken then publish them to youtube
[13:56] <bigcalm> Fair enough :)
[14:31] <davmor2> MooDoo: you need to install panda antivirus on all your clients machines look how it solves pebcak issues for you http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-05/30/8/enhanced/webdr08/anigif_enhanced-19405-1401453866-7.gif
[14:32] <bigcalm> :D
[14:39] <shauno> panda is even stranger in context.  they're egyptian cheese adverts
[14:41] <foobarry> are panda still a scientology owned company
[14:44] <foobarry> http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=MtW90YkkB3gC&lpg=PA312&ots=01Tqb7gLWn&dq=panda%20scientology&pg=PA312#v=onepage&q=panda%20scientology&f=false
[14:44] <shauno> I'm not sure I've ever seen those two words in the same sentence ;)  but I was referring to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYz3sl0LEA4
[14:50] <bigcalm> shauno: that's nuts
[14:51] <diddledan> is anyone else monitoring the truecrypt fallout?
[14:51] <foobarry> whats the latest
[14:51] <foobarry> i read the reg article
[14:51] <diddledan> still no clue afaict
[14:51] <diddledan> full-disclosure are discussing it at length at last
[14:55] <awilkins> I lurked in #truecrypt for a while
[14:55] <awilkins> But I got tired of the trolls and the interference from tinfoil hat reflections
[14:56] <awilkins> The prevailing theory is that the TC creators are basically saying "Truecrypt is horribly broken" by recommending you use encryption products that are also known to be horribly broken instead
[14:57] <foobarry> 4pm on friday and i just pulled the mains cables out of the UPSs
[14:57] <awilkins> Alternate theory is that a TLA got control of their signing key (either with a rubber hose or more elegant means) and want you all to stop using TrueCrypt because they hates it *sssssss*
[14:59] <awilkins> Basically it's screwed... trust for it is broken for the majority
[14:59] <awilkins> i) If the audit that is going to continue for it says "Hey, it's basically OK" - no-one will believe that hasn't been subverted
[15:00] <awilkins> ii) If it finds horrible vulns, then no-one will ever trust it again
[15:01] <awilkins> iii) No corporate person will use it again because the mere whiff of using security products with possible broken-ness is enough to get you  sued into oblivion in the USA, regardless of whether you have fully audited the code and found it to be sound
[15:02] <awilkins> On balance I think I believe that it's a campaign to destroy a useful tool, more than the possibility that it is egregiously broken
[15:06] <bashrc> I don't know what the current state of the truecrypt story is, but my suspicion is that this is a Lavabit or Binney type of scenario
[15:06] <bashrc> men show up with guns, tell you to stop doing X
[15:14] <awilkins> There are hints in the diffs, apparently
[15:15] <awilkins> Things like all the "US" being s/US/United States/
[15:17] <bashrc> apparently that's an automatic replacement by visual studio
[15:19] <bashrc> in the bigger picture there are currently efforts underway to increase the level of security of computer systems.  I think this is part of the pushback to spread fear and doubt about using encryption
[15:32] <SirMarky> Hello - would anyone be able to help me with a permissions problem I seem to be going around in circles with?
[15:32] <bigcalm> !ask
[15:37] <SirMarky> lubotu3 - You could have just said 'yes'.  No need to make me feel small for not knowing the rules of your club. :-(
[15:40] <bigcalm> SirMarky: the point being that you don't need to ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and somebody _might_ be able to help you :)
[15:42] <andylockran> SirMarky: fire away - what's the issue?
[15:43] <andylockran> !patience | andylockran
[15:44] <bigcalm> !patience | andylockran
[15:45] <andylockran> calm down bigcalm :p
[15:46] <andylockran> I feel ignored.
[15:47] <bigcalm> Heh
[15:48]  * diddledan ignores andylockran
[15:49] <diddledan><EMAIL_ADDRESS>added to ignore list
[15:49] <diddledan> :-p
[15:49] <diddledan> only joking, I wouldn't do that
[15:50] <diddledan> in other news. publicising IP addresses doesn't reduce your security
[15:53] <bigcalm> directhex: one for you http://batlesbo.tumblr.com/post/87305350550
[15:55] <diddledan> I hate that folk go into the wordpress channel and ask for edge-case help but refuse to show any examples because they erroneously think they're being clever by not telling anyone their web address
[15:55] <diddledan> bigcalm - a sloth?!
[15:56] <bigcalm> diddledan: I was surprised about that one as well. Dangerous claws
[15:56] <diddledan> that's cuteness overload
[15:56] <diddledan> what's the last one?
[15:57] <bigcalm> Raccoon?
[15:57] <diddledan> aah, I was thinking a firefox :-p
[15:57] <bigcalm> Heh
[15:57] <diddledan> what do you mean there's no such thing as a firefox?!
[15:58] <diddledan> I stand corrected, there is
[15:58] <diddledan> https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=firefox&es_sm=119&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=fqqIU871DrXJsQSu7IKwCw&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAg&biw=1278&bih=668#q=firefox%20animal&revid=1228104664&tbm=isch
[16:28] <daftykins> it's a nickname for the Red Panda
[16:28] <daftykins> afaik
[16:36] <diddledan> foo, just waited on the phone for nearly 30 minutes to talk to the tax people
[16:36] <diddledan> that sucksors when you only need a simple query
[16:45] <daftykins> mmhmm
[16:46] <daftykins> i nearly had a massive shock just before, i thought i'd found more flight holes from woodworm up in another room
[16:46] <daftykins> but i think they're older ones
[18:38] <daftykins> popey: you've done ISO booting from GRUB before, right?
[18:38] <daftykins> did you ever run into streaming errors of "/init line 3 can't open /dev/sr0 "
[18:45] <daftykins> hmm maybe that ISO just isn't designed for booting of that style
[19:07] <daftykins> diddledan: i'm amazed you didn't get some infighting for that XP troll link ;)
[19:07] <daftykins> perhaps the ops are relaxing these days
[19:07] <diddledan> lol
[19:07] <diddledan> daftykins, maybe because I made it clear it was intended to be assy?
[19:08] <daftykins> ugh an ISO 6MB too large for a CD-R
[19:08]  * daftykins shakes his fists
[19:08] <diddledan> >.<
[19:08] <daftykins> 9MB/sec over 130Mb wireless through a wooden floor \o/
[19:12]  * diddledan spits on your wireless
[19:13] <daftykins> i'm in the lounge on my laptop *shrug*
[19:13] <daftykins> don't be hating!
[19:15] <diddledan> I'm plugged-in
[19:20] <diddledan> they're making me hungry now, talking about chips
[19:20] <daftykins> diddledan: oven fried, with scampi
[19:21] <diddledan> I would guess mentioning it in there would be considered trolling :-p
[19:36] <diddledan> good news or bad? http://www.deadline.com/2014/05/mgm-warner-bros-reboot-stargate/
[19:36] <diddledan> how likely are they to respect the three tv series?
[19:37] <shauno> they're worth any respect?
[19:45] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9XrrEaZ7Y4
[19:47] <daftykins> diddledan: my interpretation of an article i read was that they were considering the film alone
[19:48] <diddledan> daftykins, that's what I figured
[20:17] <daftykins> hrmm
[20:17] <daftykins> so this guy i know wants to build a cheap home server
[20:17] <daftykins> his idea is to start with some disks now, then maybe add some later, with them all in one pool
[20:17] <daftykins> it sounds like the scenario where LVM is appropriate, but i've never touched it before... is it really... safe? :D
[20:41] <daftykins> nobody? :)
[20:51] <foobarry> yes but popey will tell you of btrgs
[20:51] <foobarry> btrfs
[20:51] <foobarry> and i will tell you of dedicated nas boxen
[20:52] <foobarry> unless it's for learning..
[20:52] <foobarry> off to bed nighty night
[20:52] <diddledan> it's friday!
[20:52] <diddledan> friday = stay awake until you pass out day
[21:02] <shauno> purrrdy much
[21:05] <diddledan> well done america: https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/10338252_961493367213450_2473946443256384171_n.jpg
[21:09] <daftykins> hrmm yis btrfs
[21:13] <diddledan> lol, the EU is becoming farsical: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2641817/Brussels-ignores-anger-EU-demands-Britain-pays-ANOTHER-500million-despite-damning-election-results.html
[21:13] <diddledan> to be fair, and to redress some sort of balance, that's the daily mail
[21:18] <shauno> why's it still legal to link to DM :/
[21:19] <daftykins> XD
[23:30] <ging> does anyone know on the ubuntu installer manual network config, it asks for a name server, can you have 2 ? how do you seperate them if you can?


[13:05] <pleia2> working on newsletter prep now
[13:29] <pleia2> and finishing up a few final summaries
[13:50] <pleia2> Unit193: link check? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue498
[13:50]  * pleia2 ships to editors
[18:15] <PaulW2U_> editorial review done
[20:05] <pleia2> thanks PaulW2U_
[21:30] <Unit193> pleia2: Only FPs, you're good.
[22:49] <pleia2> ta


[21:09] <alive876> hi, i installed upstart on ubuntu 14 with apt-get sudo apt-cache policy upstart upstart:   Installed: 1.12.1+1627+1562+201406041317~ubuntu14.04.1, but   upstart: command not found   ?  thanks


[01:00] <joaquinPlanet> Hello everybody, I need a little help, I got stuck in my learning of packaging, I was reading this guide http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/getting-set-up.html, there is a note that says that is advisable to do packaging in a development version of ubuntu ( I'm currently running ubuntu 13.04 ), it also has a link to here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UsingDevelopmentReleases, wich tells me several ways to work with the
[01:02] <joaquinPlanet> the first one, Why testdrive offers me 13.04, shouldn't in be 13.10?, the second one, Why when I start testdrive always try to install Ubuntu?, third one, Where do I have to install my dev tools in my local machine or in the virtual one?
[01:03] <joaquinPlanet> Sorry if my questions looks silly, I'm pretty new at this.
[03:09] <joaquin> somebody has a minute to help me out?
[03:33] <joaquinPlanet> somebody has a minute to help me out?
[05:53] <gotwig> jo
[05:54] <gotwig> please take a look at bug #1174070
[05:55] <gotwig> ara: hey
[06:04] <gotwig> hello ...
[06:22] <gotwig> ricotz: hey, are you a master?
[06:23] <gotwig> ricotz: can you checkout bug #1174070 ?
[06:23] <gotwig> ough, I g2g
[07:10] <ggherdov> Hi all, getting this while trying the upgrade 12.10 --> 13.04 http://bpaste.net/show/ma5h6BlmF5piP2Hyh7YN/ . what's happening ?
[13:35] <tumbleweed> ggherdov: looks like a broken mirror. also, this isn't a support channel
[14:11] <ggherdov> tumbleweed: ok thanks. and sorry to be OT.
[14:11] <ivoks> hi guys... i have a question
[14:12] <ivoks> synaptic package in nb_NO locale is unusable
[14:12] <ivoks> there's an error in translation
[14:12] <ivoks> i'm not sure... what package needs to be rebuilt to pick up new locales? langpack or synaptic?
[14:32]  * mitya57-mobile 's wifi always stops working when it's really needed
[16:50] <debfx> micahg: what SRU are you referring to in bug #1036618?
[18:49] <foxx2> hello motus! i have a bit of a strange problem with fakeroot.. "fakeroot: nested operation not yet supported".. my google-fu didnt show anything of any relevance.. ive done this procedure many times and not entirely sure why this error is happening now... any immediate thoughts come to mind?
[18:49] <jtaylor> how are you using it?
[18:49] <foxx2> "fakeroot debian/rules binary"
[18:50] <foxx2> here's the output; http://pastebin.com/icsbACN0
[18:51] <foxx2> i have a feeling that my debuild stuff is somehow clashing with it
[18:51] <foxx2> cos im seeing paths relating to another project which have no relevance to this one :X
[18:54] <jtaylor> how is it executing debian/rules clean when you run debian/rules binary?
[18:54] <jtaylor> the binary target does not call clean
[18:54] <foxx2> heh.. i think my build environment is completely fucked. im gonna do it from a clean one and try again
[18:57] <foxx2> lol yeah there we go, despite running git reset --hard, it didnt remove all the changes, so it was still trying to compile with a bad Makefile. i removed the dir, re-pulled, re-ran fakeroot and now it wokrs fine. fail :X
[18:57] <foxx2> ty for the help anyway :)
[23:06] <micahg> debfx: idr, I'd have to look into it