[09:43] <amedee> logging in early for the 3 may meeting about the shutdown of the Sounder list, as proposed by Alan Pope (popey). I'll keep this line open until then, thanks to irssi+screen, but I'll be silent until that time.
[09:58] <dholbach> amedee, the meeting was yesterday already - check out http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/04/19/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t12:00
[12:00] <jelmer> hi barry :)
[12:00] <barry> jelmer: hi :)
[12:00] <barry> i stupidly agreed to change the meeting time right during spring break.  good thing the insomnia has kicked in :)
[12:01] <barry> jelmer: any signs of poolie and jam?
[12:01] <jelmer> jam should be around
[12:02] <poolie> hi guys
[12:02] <poolie> 9pm seemed earlier when i scheduled this
[12:02] <james_w> hi
[12:02] <poolie> :)
[12:02] <barry> poolie: hi
[12:02] <barry> poolie: as i was saying, spring break started this week, so i actually didn't need to get up this early :)
[12:03] <barry> shall we try to track down jam before we start?
[12:03] <poolie> he was around, he may also have child school run or something
[12:03] <poolie> let's just start
[12:04] <barry> sounds good
[12:04] <barry> #startmeeting
[12:04] <MootBot> Meeting started at 06:04. The chair is barry.
[12:04] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[12:04] <barry> hello and welcome to this week's udd steering committee meeting
[12:04] <barry> [TOPIC] agenda
[12:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  agenda
[12:04] <barry> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/20110420
[12:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/20110420
[12:04] <barry> not a whole lot on the agenda, but let's dive right in
[12:05] <barry> [TOPIC] action items
[12:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  action items
[12:05] <barry>    * jam to propose/report plan for quilt imports
[12:05] <barry> i know jam wanted to keep this on the agenda, so let's come back to it if he joins us later
[12:05] <poolie> gosh, what a good idea
[12:05] <poolie> yep
[12:06] <barry>    * poolie to talk to LOSAs about getting new bzrs rolled out to jubany
[12:06] <poolie> next?
[12:06] <poolie> ah, yes, i did
[12:06] <barry> poolie: eta?
[12:06] <poolie> i think it's unblocked and waiting in their queue
[12:06] <poolie> let me find it
[12:06] <poolie> already done!
[12:06] <barry> wow, fantastic!
[12:07] <poolie> thanks to spm and maxb
[12:07] <poolie> hm it's still on hardy
[12:07] <barry> poolie: what are the big wins with the upgrade?
[12:07] <poolie> so that took us to 2.3.1 apparently
[12:07] <james_w> the main thing was that it fixed a bug that was causing a lot of import failures IIRC
[12:07] <james_w> I don't know what we upgraded from though
[12:08] <poolie> which is the latest on the 2.3 series
[12:08] <poolie> it was 2.3.0~beta5-0~1.ISPATCHED.8.04
[12:08] <barry> [LINK] http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/
[12:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/
[12:08] <poolie> so, a fair bit of stuff including some of jam's memory usage improvements
[12:09] <barry> cool, thanks
[12:09] <barry>    * barry to send email about meeting times given dst dance '''(done)'''
[12:09] <barry>
[12:09] <barry> and here we are :)
[12:09] <barry> [TOPIC]  * Package importer progress
[12:09] <MootBot> New Topic:   * Package importer progress
[12:09] <barry> see link above
[12:10] <poolie> the specific thing it fixes is https://bugs.launchpad.net/udd/+bug/726584
[12:10] <poolie> hm, not a lot of changes this last week i think
[12:10] <poolie> aside from that one
[12:11] <barry> import failures appear to have a little spike right at the end
[12:11] <poolie> there was a big canonical network hardware outage which caused some failures last week
[12:11] <james_w> an LP service issue seems to have spiked in failures
[12:11] <poolie> i see a lot of connectionreset type errors
[12:11] <poolie> that would be good to look in to
[12:11] <poolie> also for better re-scheduling
[12:12] <james_w> likely just needs a ./requeue_package.py --auto kiwi
[12:12] <poolie> shall i just run that now?
[12:12] <james_w> you could remove the --auto and add --priority to see if that one succeeds, and then run that command on another to retry the rest
[12:14] <barry> anything else of interest in package importer status?
[12:14] <poolie> no
[12:14] <barry> [TOPIC] bugs of interest
[12:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  bugs of interest
[12:15] <barry> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~mbp/kanban/canonical-bazaar-kanban.html
[12:15] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~mbp/kanban/canonical-bazaar-kanban.html
[12:15] <poolie> so, a fair number of bugs fixed
[12:15] <barry> as always, an impressive amount of work!
[12:15] <poolie> faster working trees from john
[12:15] <poolie> many git and hg fixes from jelmer
[12:15] <poolie> oh and bzr-builddeb
[12:16] <barry> jelmer: do you think now would be a good time to re-try the import of python's hg?
[12:16] <poolie> do you two want to mention any in particular?
[12:16] <poolie> oh, not really a bug, but we did get the 2.2 SRU into maverick
[12:16] <poolie> we still need to push through 2.1 into lucid
[12:16] <poolie> 2.0 is essentially eol now that karmic is
[12:17] <jelmer> barry: unfortunately I haven't had time to land it on launchpad yet as I was planning
[12:17] <jelmer> barry: It should happen this week instead.
[12:17] <james_w> it's great to have watch file support, thanks for that jelmer!
[12:17] <barry> jelmer: cool, no worries.  thanks
[12:17] <jelmer> barry: I'll try to remember to ping you when I do
[12:17] <barry> james_w: seconded.  i've already used it twice and it ROCKS
[12:17] <barry> jelmer: thanks
[12:17] <jelmer> thanks, that's great to hear
[12:18] <barry> anything else on bugs of interest?
[12:18] <poolie> 'warn when out of date' is still high on my list
[12:19] <poolie> lp is shortly going to deploy a change that should make things more stable when branches are renamed
[12:19] <poolie> james mentioned um
[12:19] <barry> really great to hear!
[12:19] <poolie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/udd/+bug/766757
[12:19] <poolie> to me, which is not the whole story in itself
[12:20] <poolie> but a string we can pull on to make the package importer better
[12:20] <poolie> i was really happy to see michaelh1 summarize some performance issues and then jam fixed many of them
[12:20] <poolie> hm, what else
[12:21] <poolie> any nominations for bugs we ought to do next?
[12:21] <barry> just the out-of-date warning one from me
[12:21] <jelmer> poolie: +1, it's really exciting to see those performance fixes from John
[12:22] <barry> [TOPIC]  * Any other business?
[12:22] <MootBot> New Topic:   * Any other business?
[12:22] <poolie> let's see
[12:23] <poolie> UDS
[12:23] <poolie> do we know sessions are booked?
[12:23] <poolie> and, if we're going to do a short plenary, we should prepare one
[12:23] <poolie> i don't know if they have been chosen yet
[12:24] <jelmer> the session appear to be booked
[12:24] <barry> agreed about the plenary.  they're really short this year.  i think 15m max.  can we do something reasonable in 15m?
[12:24] <poolie> i think so but it will have to be well chosen
[12:24] <poolie> obviously not a tutorial
[12:24] <jelmer> confirmed we have 3 sessions booked
[12:24] <poolie> yet not waffle
[12:25] <barry> why don't we add an action item for all of us to think about a plenary session, and we can brainstorm next meeting (which will be the week before uds)?
[12:25] <poolie> k
[12:25] <poolie> let's do more than just think :)
[12:25] <james_w> I think plenaries have to be proposed before then :-(
[12:25] <poolie> let's send some outlines
[12:26] <barry> poolie: +1
[12:26] <poolie> i have proposed one, i just do not have slides yet
[12:26] <barry> poolie: can you send a link to your proposal and we can use that to start off with?  we can help w/slides too
[12:27] <poolie> sure
[12:28] <barry> [ACTION] poolie to send link to plenary proposal.  all to help finish that
[12:28] <MootBot> ACTION received:  poolie to send link to plenary proposal.  all to help finish that
[12:28] <barry> (hopefully that captures it ;)
[12:28] <barry> any thing else for today?
[12:29] <poolie> gosh
[12:29] <poolie> we got a lot of good feedback
[12:29] <poolie> i still have a few flagged to reply to
[12:29] <poolie> i don't know good answers to all of them off hand
[12:29] <poolie> for instance the thread on ubuntu-desktop about switching to merge-mode versioning, which is good, but raises questions
[12:30] <poolie> jelmer: anything else from you?
[12:30] <jelmer> no, though I should probably have a look at that ubuntu-desktop thread
[12:30] <poolie> i would appreciate that
[12:31] <jelmer> ok
[12:31] <poolie> oh, of course, there was one more
[12:32] <poolie> bfbia; can you talk about that jelmer?
[12:32] <jelmer> ah, good point
[12:33] <jelmer> We've talked about build from branch into primary earlier. There are some things that still need to be ironed out for that, in particular the security requirements.
[12:34] <jelmer> There is another milestone that would be useful to aim for, and for which all the requirements seem to be clear - building from branch into a PPA
[12:35] <jelmer> The changes to e.g. bzr-builder, the buildds and the API we have to make for this are the same as for bfbip.
[12:36] <poolie> i think it would be a good step towards it
[12:36] <james_w> that's not already there?
[12:36] <poolie> it's essentially recipes with a null recipe
[12:36] <poolie> is that a fair way to describe it?
[12:36] <james_w> ok
[12:36] <jelmer> poolie: yeah, I think so
[12:37] <jelmer> james_w: also, e.g creating. .orig.tar.gz is not supported at the moment
[12:37] <james_w> right
[12:37] <james_w> so building a "distribution-acceptable package" in to a PPA
[12:38] <jelmer> james_w: yeah, basically
[12:38] <poolie> that's a good metric for it
[12:38] <poolie> so then to go from that to 'into primary archive' is mostly
[12:38] <jelmer> and with the same constraints we set for bfbip - an API call to request them and without requiring a recipe
[12:38] <poolie> getting approval it's an ok thing to allow
[12:38] <poolie> possibly more security checks-
[12:39] <poolie> ... teaching lp to put the source into there, which apparently is a small change
[12:41] <barry> sounds good, thanks for the update.  anything else for today?
[12:41] <poolie> i think that's it
[12:41] <poolie> it's late here
[12:41] <jelmer> nothing else from me
[12:42] <barry> #endmeeting
[12:42] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 06:42.
[12:42] <barry> thanks everyone!
[12:42] <poolie> thanks guys
[12:42] <poolie> could probably run a bit faster in future but that was good
[12:42] <barry> agreed.  and we'll get jam here one of the days :)
[12:43] <jelmer> :)
[12:45] <poolie> "jam this meeting runs too slow.  i guess you don't really have time to look into it but..."
[12:45] <poolie> tappety tap
[12:45]  * jelmer chuckles
[16:01] <cjwatson> hi folks
[16:01] <mvo> hello
[16:01] <jhunt> hi
[16:01] <barry> hi
[16:01] <psurbhi> hi
[16:02] <stgraber> hello
[16:02] <cjwatson> #startmeeting
[16:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:02. The chair is cjwatson.
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[16:03] <cjwatson> all right, muggins gets to do it I guess
[16:03] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Lightning Round
[16:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Lightning Round
[16:03] <cjwatson> barry:
[16:03] <barry> bug 758037 (pyopenssl fix for py27); bug 753900 (f2py broken); bug 759684 (landscape-monitor); bug 671131 (winpdb); bug 759943 (mod_wsgi); bug 458872 (cj deleting manually installed packages); bug 719214 (pyepl import failure); bug 719212 (hocr import failure); bug 742384 (sphinx/jquery incompatibility); helped w/ debug of 735577 (s/c log perms); udd; dmb application update; network manager debugging; done.
[16:03] <ev> hi
[16:03] <mvo> \o/ 735577
[16:04] <cjwatson> also, I believe barry is up for core-dev next Monday ...
[16:04] <cjwatson> Done: On holiday Monday and Tuesday.  Rest of the time:
[16:04] <cjwatson>  - Installer: debootstrap dependency resolver fix (740167), ports mirror setup fix (756719), new AMD CPU family (760490), keyboard configuration adjustments for OEM (741304), parted gptsync fixes (757201), make console-setup actually set keymap again in d-i.
[16:04] <cjwatson>  - GRUB: make grub-mount run single-threaded (756297), background configuration for derivatives (696915).
[16:04] <cjwatson>  - Repaired Ubuntu Studio task dependencies.
[16:04] <cjwatson> To do:
[16:04] <cjwatson>  - Make partman reuse existing BIOS Boot Partition (746313).  Proving a bit more complicated than I expected. :-(
[16:05] <cjwatson>  - md5sum collection for /etc/default/grub upgrade (759545).
[16:05] <cjwatson>  - Try to find time to analyse GRUB/memtest86+ failure (683904).
[16:05] <barry> yep!  feel free to add your glowing recommendations to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BarryWarsaw/MyApplication
[16:05] <cjwatson>  - Free software option on powerpc images (759519).
[16:05] <cjwatson>  - Make os-prober handle our btrfs subvolume layout (764893).
[16:05] <cjwatson> --
[16:05] <cjwatson> ev:
[16:05] <ev> Spent two days trying to unbreak the upgrade/reinstall option when no Internet connection is available, with a debate that ultimately resulted in me disabling it when no Internet connection is present (bug 766171). I did fix apt-clone related bugs in ubiquity and dpkg-repack along the way though.  Fixed synchronization between debconf instances, which had broken the download updates box (bug 761094).  Set up country-specific translations in the slidesho
[16:05] <ev> (bug 758658). pitti and I fixed installing the nvidia driver in ubiquity when a PAE kernel is selected (bug 759804). Moved the "hostname exists on the network" error to a warning (bug 760884). And fixed some more minor issues.
[16:05] <ev> done
[16:06] <cjwatson> doko seems to have fallen off the network
[16:06] <cjwatson> mvo:
[16:06] <mvo> Apt-clone: fix deprecation warning and upload new version , fix in deboostrap mode, fixes in the restore code, auto-detect tarprefix, use to clone upgrade test
[16:06] <mvo> Apt-ddtp update
[16:06] <mvo> Aptdaemon: bug triage, merge latest fixes from upstream, upload, relax lintian checks for lsb packages, test latest bzr, prepare new upload, work on cdrom tests with glatzor
[16:06] <mvo> Archive-crawler: improve tests, look at branch from lp:~j-johan-edwards/archive-crawler/foreign-icons, work on improving the icon extraction
[16:06] <mvo> Auto-upgrade-tester: add euca-{nc,cloud} profiles and enable them on the auto-upgrade-teser, log reviews
[16:06] <mvo> Manual upgrade-testing (server, ubuntu desktop)
[16:06] <mvo> software-center: discuss CJK xapian with DX, debug crash in accessiblity/httplib2 code, debug database reopen error (#507836), debug/fix (mostly) #636429, debug/fix one db-reopen crash (#757054),  fix bug in freshly enabled channels/components, fix two more issues around the db-reopen problem, kill multiprocessing for get-review-stats and us spawner code, test purchase, fix bug in aptdaemon, work on appdetailsview_gtk handling/refreshes
[16:06] <mvo> Sudo: debug/fix upgrade issue (#761689)
[16:06] <mvo> Unattended-upgrades: fix crash in dpkg --configure -a code (#754330)
[16:06] <mvo> Update-manager: debug/fix #759262, improve sshd detection (using find parent)lalalala, improve DistUpgradeViewText
[16:06] <mvo> Next week: vacation mon,tues,wed
[16:06] <mvo> (done)
[16:06] <cjwatson> psurbhi:
[16:07] <psurbhi> *) worked on plymouth bug: 566818
[16:07] <psurbhi> *) testing the initramfs code for cryptsetup - the debug messages go past the plymouth prompt and no input is taken - trying to solve this
[16:07] <psurbhi> *) added code in the handle pivot event - in upstart. modified the test cases.
[16:07] <mvo> cjwatson: the grub/memtest86 issue, any hints on this one? could it be a compiler/machine releated issue (becuase it appears to work in qemu?)
[16:07] <cjwatson> mvo: (bring it up after the lightning round?)
[16:07]  * mvo nods
[16:07] <cjwatson> psurbhi: I noticed that the cryptsetup change I sponsored was rejected by somebody, but didn't have any context for it - is that what your current work in plymouth is about?
[16:08] <psurbhi> yes
[16:08] <psurbhi> the echo would not be displayed in a graphical plugin
[16:08] <cjwatson> ah, ok - that makes sens
[16:08] <cjwatson> e
[16:08] <cjwatson> (in theory anyway)
[16:08] <psurbhi> right
[16:08] <cjwatson> jhunt:
[16:09] <jhunt> Obligatory Upstart Cookbook updates. Dash of Upstart Sprint planning.
[16:09] <jhunt> Fixed out-of-memory scenario (bug 728531) which required a good deal of
[16:09] <jhunt> debug and resulted in uncovering a D-Bus issue (bug 766953 - report needs
[16:09] <jhunt> to be sent upstream). Raised bug 766206 to cover some significant
[16:09] <jhunt> changes in latest Upstart. Discovered what appears to be a bug in libnih
[16:09] <jhunt> (will raise a bug when I have a better handle on it).  Also got hit by bug 766534 yesterday so had to wait for the fix before my netinstall would work again.
[16:09] <stgraber> (done)
[16:10] <cjwatson> I guess ubottu has a cap on how many things it will do in response to one line
[16:10] <stgraber> apparently
[16:10] <cjwatson> doko:
[16:10] <doko> working on opening natty (toolchain and basic library updates), test rebuild (tool changes and file bug reports)
[16:10] <doko> done
[16:11] <barry> cjwatson: https://code.launchpad.net/~barry/ubuntu/natty/pyepl/bug-719214/+merge/58164
[16:11] <cjwatson> ta
[16:11] <doko> http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20110413-natty.html
[16:11] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20110413-natty.html
[16:11] <cjwatson> s/natty/oneiric/, right? :)
[16:11] <doko> doesn't look too bad
[16:11] <doko> oops
[16:12]  * cjwatson wonders if it's possible to open oneiric PPAs in advance, with natty chroots ...
[16:12] <cjwatson> (might not be worth the trouble)
[16:12] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Natty
[16:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Natty
[16:13] <cjwatson> mvo: so you asked about grub/memtest86+
[16:13] <cjwatson> mvo: it's hard to say, but one possibility is that we're leaving some registers uninitialised on entry, for instance
[16:13]  * mvo nods
[16:13] <cjwatson> mvo: it could also be that qemu gives us a different E820 memory layout
[16:13] <cjwatson> either of those would fit with what's changed, and seem eminently possible
[16:14] <mvo> thanks
[16:16] <cjwatson> mvo: I'm not seeing an immediate reboot, but I am seeing "error: too small lower memory (0x99100 > 0x96000)"
[16:16] <cjwatson> perhaps related, hard to be sure
[16:16] <mvo> oh, interessting, on my box I don't see that or its happening too quickly to see it
[16:17] <cjwatson> again, probably indicates slight differences in memory layout given by the BIOS
[16:17] <cjwatson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+bugs?field.milestone=33569 - 11.04 bugs
[16:18] <cjwatson> ev: are you expecting to have time for bug 740903 or bug 657086?  (sorry, haven't kept up with the bug comments)
[16:18] <cjwatson> bug 758614 I'm guessing is either a lost cause or the Kubuntu folks are going to have to deal with it
[16:18] <ev> I've not had luck reproducing bug 740903 (which is probably a good thing) but am not yet convinced that it doesn't exist
[16:19] <cjwatson> bug 529201 has had comments following your request for information
[16:19] <ev> bug 657086 continues to baffle me, but I really don't think it's natty at this point
[16:19] <mvo> I look at 760035, stgraber fixed it, I just need to look at it again, the code is not that well covered with test-cases (there are some, but … ) so I'm a bit nervous
[16:19] <ev> it has, but that's another one I cannot reproduce
[16:19] <ev> I'm going to keep trying with a few more resolution combinations
[16:20] <ev> I can't unmilestone tasks, which is slightly annoying, so I can't make these changes myself
[16:20] <cjwatson> bug 764893 and bug 746313 are both on my list for today
[16:21] <cjwatson> ev: you can't?  you did so for 766171 earlier ...
[16:21] <ev> cjwatson: can't what? 766171 is the apt-clone bug.
[16:21] <ev> oh
[16:21] <ev> unmilestone
[16:21] <ev> sorry
[16:22] <ev> I meant un nominate for series
[16:22] <cjwatson> jhunt: is anything happening with bug 580319 for 11.04?
[16:22] <cjwatson> ev: the way to do that is to mark the series task wontfix
[16:22] <cjwatson> ev: it'll then magically grow a non-series task
[16:22] <ev> ohhh
[16:22] <cjwatson> (yes, this is odd)
[16:22] <ev> yeah
[16:22] <ev> great ui there
[16:23] <jhunt> not at the present. I spoke to Daviey earlier and since we are unsure if it occurs with isc-dhcp (v4) at this stage, we don't think it's in the running.
[16:24] <jhunt> Presumably the milestone might need changing?
[16:24] <cjwatson> jhunt: yes, that sounds like a good idea if it's no longer believed to occur
[16:24] <cjwatson> probably simply unmilestone it
[16:25] <cjwatson> all the other items on that list seem to be either non-vital, not ours, or being handled
[16:25] <cjwatson> anything else people are concerned about for natty?
[16:25] <ev> unity *rimshot*
[16:25] <jhunt> cjwatson: I don't seem to have those powers.
[16:26] <barry> ev: are you running natty natively on any mac laptop h/w?
[16:26] <ev> *ahem* I uh *coughs*
[16:26] <ev> I have this lovely Thinkpad next to my Mac
[16:26] <ev> allow me to divert your attention over to it
[16:26] <barry> ;)
[16:26] <cjwatson> jhunt: I'll take care of it, then
[16:27] <jhunt> cjwatson: thanks.
[16:27] <cjwatson> I must admit, I expected to hate unity, and then switched to it to discover that (after a few configuration tweaks) the only noticeable effect on my workflow is that I have slightly more screen space for maximised terminals
[16:27]  * cjwatson <- not a big user of desktop furniture
[16:28] <barry> cjwatson: i'm with you!  i sort of like the doc sitting there, once i found a workaround for the dual-monitor bug
[16:28] <barry> er, dock
[16:29] <cjwatson> I just set it to autohide
[16:29] <mvo> agreed, I like most of it, but I still don't see why the menu is not always visible for the apps, I whish there was a option for this. and FFM is a problem, but f10 is my friend here :)
[16:29] <barry> after getting my normal two emacs windows side by side, i have just enough unused real-estate for that dock, so i pretty much just leave it there :)
[16:29] <barry> mvo: agreed on that one!
[16:30] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] AOB
[16:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[16:30] <ev> Who's coming to the release sprint / party?
[16:30] <cjwatson> I have no meeting agenda items for Oneiric since (a) holiday and (b) laser-focus on Natty, but I appreciate not everybody may be that way :-)
[16:31] <doko> when should oneiric ready for uploads?
[16:31] <cjwatson> I'll be at the release sprint, maybe party depending on how dead I am
[16:31] <ev> I'm sure we can always find something to prop you up against :-P
[16:32] <cjwatson> doko: I expect that I will open it for toolchain work either next Thursday (if time permits after the 11.04 release) or Friday
[16:32] <cjwatson> the latter's a bank holiday, but I think I'll be at home
[16:32] <jhunt> ev: I'll be at the sprint, but not sure about the party as I'm travelling back by train Thursday (unless I can grab a room somewhere)
[16:32] <cjwatson> doko: so after that it's just a question of when you're ready
[16:32] <ev> jhunt: sprint> awesome, party> RUBBISH
[16:32] <ev> you're welcome to stay at mine
[16:33] <doko> cjwatson: I am =)
[16:33] <jhunt> ev: do you know if we'll have hot running coffee at the sprint?
[16:33] <jhunt> ev: ta!
[16:33] <ev> jhunt: experience tells me that you'll have to fight cjwatson for it
[16:34] <ev> but no, probably not given how often we break coffee machines around here
[16:34] <jhunt> ev: I'm not *that* brave!
[16:34] <cjwatson> doko: I expect you can speed things up by arranging for us to be able to copy built binaries from a non-virtualised PPA
[16:34] <ev> I keep putting in a request for a barista at the QBR
[16:34] <ev> but they always ignore me
[16:34] <cjwatson> (maybe, will need to check with wgrant et al)
[16:35] <doko> ok, will do
[16:35] <cjwatson> generally it takes max half a day to actually set up the archive - usually less, it's been getting gradually easier
[16:35] <jhunt> ev: I'm sure it makes a difference. Those frothy hearts'n'all! :)
[16:35] <ev> it'd be cheaper than constantly buying coffee machines from NASA
[16:36] <jhunt> ev: wow, that rocket fuel stuff must make a strong brew. Just don't drink+smoke!
[16:36] <ev> lol
[16:36] <jhunt> (don't try that at home folks!)
[16:37] <cjwatson> OK, I take it there's not much left :)
[16:37] <cjwatson> one note on natty
[16:38] <jhunt> sorry - we just ran clean out of jokes! :(
[16:38] <cjwatson> pitti said earlier today that today was the last day for any big changes, and some little changes might get through tomorrow
[16:38] <cjwatson> but sometime tomorrow (probably), we'll be building release candidate images, and the only other things that will be accepted are fixes for showstopper bugs
[16:39] <cjwatson> so be warned. :-)
[16:39] <barry> cjwatson: what's the cut of time today for bug fixes?  i don't think i have anything critical, but i might be able to get one or two in before cob
[16:40] <cjwatson> if you have things that will slip past that (and don't *have* to be on the CD images for practical reasons, e.g. installer changes), then consider whether they can go to SRUs
[16:40]  * barry nods
[16:40] <cjwatson> barry: whatever time all the archive admins have gone to bed, I guess
[16:40] <barry> cool
[16:45] <cjwatson> oops, forgot to close this :-)
[16:45] <cjwatson> #endmeeting
[16:45] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:45.
[16:45] <cjwatson> thanks all
[16:45] <ev> thanks!
[16:45] <stgraber> thanks
[16:45] <mvo> thanks!
[16:46] <jhunt> thanks
[16:47] <barry> thanks!