[00:21] <RoAkSoAx> hggdh:
[00:21] <RoAkSoAx> hggdh: bug #711587
[00:21] <RoAkSoAx> what's the problem with powernap?
[00:23] <hggdh> RoAkSoAx, not really powernap, I guess, but the interaction with euca
[00:23] <twb> I think the "problem" is the user not using the tools correctly
[00:23] <twb> "I cut my thumb off using the bandsaw.  Obviously there is a problem with bandsaws and wood"
[00:23] <hggdh> RoAkSoAx, powernap puts the system on a nap, and euca does not seem to recover, or not recover fast enough
[00:24] <hggdh> twb, that's for me?
[00:24] <twb> hggdh: powernap runs an arbitrary command
[00:24] <RoAkSoAx> hggdh: are you sure powernap is putting the machine to nap?? (The method by default is not to suspend a machine)
[00:24] <hggdh> twb, whatever it does -- the default install should be sane.
[00:25] <RoAkSoAx> but to put it to powersave mode, which doesn't put them to sleep, but save power by running pm-powersave
[00:25] <twb> From the additional input you just provided, it sounds like the problem is eucalyptus vs. pm-utils
[00:25] <hggdh> RoAkSoAx, IDK. All I know is it tells me it is going into powersave, and suddenly it takes a long time to get a response on the terminal
[00:25] <twb> or vs. kernel
[00:26] <RoAkSoAx> hggdh: edit vim /etc/powernap/config and change ACTION_METHOD from 0 to 4.
[00:26] <RoAkSoAx> 0 is powersave, and 4 is best-effort
[00:26] <RoAkSoAx> which is the default in previous ubuntu releases
[00:26] <RoAkSoAx> that will pm-suspend the node
[00:27] <twb> How would ANYTHING wake it up from a suspend state, anyway?
[00:27] <hggdh> I will try. For the alpha2 tests, it will not really matter anymore, there is yet another issue that fails all instances
[00:27] <twb> That requires external stimuli, like a HID or WOL
[00:27] <hggdh> twb, perhaps WOL?
[00:27] <twb> In *that* case I'd say your problem is kvm not implementing WOL over the bridged interface or so :-)
[00:28] <twb> I'm not sure it wouldn't be better to leave the power-saving work to the VM rather than implementing it internally with ACPI states
[00:28] <twb> After all, the VM's whole ACPI stack is a virtual one in any case
[00:29] <RoAkSoAx> twb: hggdh WoL
[00:30] <hggdh> anyway, so far the end result seems catastrophic to euca.
[00:31] <RoAkSoAx> hggdh: first check if the nodes that are being put to "sleep" by euca with powernap are really aspleep
[00:31] <RoAkSoAx> that might be the issue
[00:32] <hggdh> RoAkSoAx, indeed. I am searching for possible causes. Also, please note that I opened the bug on euca, *not* on powernap. I tend more to euca as root
[00:34] <RoAkSoAx> hggdh: indeed!! i just wanted to discard that powernap was the cause of the issue, because in natty, there'sbeen quite a few changes to it
[00:35] <RoAkSoAx> well not just a few, a lot
[00:35] <RoAkSoAx> and one of those is to not suspend, or hibernate, or poweroff the machine, but to maintain it running in powersave mode
[00:35] <RoAkSoAx> by default
[00:38] <hggdh> I will try it
[00:52] <hggdh> now, just to add sugar on top gnome-panel decided I cannot really select, or move to another window in a workspace (but I can change workspaces)
[00:53] <axisys> how to copy the vtoc of one disk and apply to another disk?
[00:53] <axisys> is it a combination of fdisk and sfdisk ?
[00:54] <axisys> in solaris i do it like this, prtvtoc /dev/rdsk/c0t0d0s2 | fmthard -s - /dev/rdsk/c0t1d0s2
[00:54] <axisys> c0t1d0s2 is new disk
[00:55] <axisys> not sure how to do similar operation on linux
[00:55] <axisys> my orig disk /dev/sda and new disk is /dev/sdb
[00:58] <hggdh> RoAkSoAx, I will keep on tomorrow. Probably I will find something obvious. I hope :-(
[01:18] <yann2> hello... I want to use a file as an encrypted loop device... what would you recommend, dmcrypt, ecryptfs?
[01:19] <RoAkSoAx> hggdh: just let me know if you need any help ;)
[01:20] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: yay!! just broke my X
[01:21] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: lucky you :)
[01:21] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: I'm refraining until nvidia puts out new drivers
[01:21] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: yeah im with 640x860 as we speak and drivers dont work
[01:21] <RoAkSoAx> lol
[01:30] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: any ideas on how to repair this?
[01:40] <hallyn> RoAkSoAx: my desktop is broken too.  back into wmii for a bit
[01:52] <dschuett> I have just set up my first EVER bind server (bind9 on ubutnu 10.04) and everything works great execpt one thing: when i ping a hostname that i have set up in bind, the pings return very slow, like one every 5-6 seconds. Any ideas?
[01:52] <dschuett> I tried disabling ipv6 through sysctl.conf, but still the same results (even after reboot)
[01:54] <RoAkSoAx> hallyn: oh jeez!1 I wonder how long we'll have to wait for a fix
[01:56] <mdeslaur> dschuett: I don't believe bind is your problem there if it's taking 5-6 seconds after the initial lookup
[01:57] <dschuett> mdeslaur: but it JUST started doing it when i set up bind
[01:57] <dschuett> it worked fine with dnsmasq... i have read that this is because ipv6 is enabled, but i have disabled it and still get the same results
[01:58] <mdeslaur> dschuett: what if you ping the ip address instead of the name?
[01:58] <mdeslaur> dschuett: and/or do a ping -n
[01:58] <dschuett> FAST as normal
[01:59] <mdeslaur> what do you have in /etc/resolv.conf?
[02:00] <dschuett> domain scs.local search scs.local nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> <--- all on their own line
[02:00] <mdeslaur> and <IP_ADDRESS> is your new bind server?
[02:00] <dschuett> yes
[02:01] <mdeslaur> hmm...I'm not quite sure what the issue is than
[02:01] <mdeslaur> s/than/then/
[02:02] <dschuett> yeah, kind of strange...
[02:03] <dschuett> I am going to ask around in #ubuntu
[02:16] <hallyn> RoAkSoAx: lemme know if you find it's been fixed :)  not sure when i'll try again
[02:20] <RoAkSoAx> hallyn: i will ;)
[02:28] <dschuett> anyone running bind9 on ubuntu 10.04?
[02:28] <twb> Yes
[02:29] <dschuett> twb: everything works great execpt one thing: when i ping a hostname that i have set up in bind, the pings return very slow, like one every 5-6 seconds. Any ideas?
[02:29] <twb> No, I don't run bind9
[02:29] <dschuett> twb, oh :P
[02:29] <twb> You asked if ANYONE ran bind9 in lucid -- this is almost certainly true.
[02:30] <twb> e.g. you do, proof by instantiation
[02:30] <twb> ping will only resolve the hostname once, so if ongoing ping responses are slow, that's unrelated to bind.
[02:30] <twb> You should be diagnosing DNS issues with dig, not ping
[02:41] <ubuser> whats this room for?
[02:42] <ubuser> i cant get a flash player working in my firefox
[02:42] <dschuett> twb: ok, i see what you mean... BUT if i ping by the ip instead of the hostname it pings just fine
[02:52] <twb> dschuett: NFI, sorry
[03:14] <twb> "35 packages can be updated.  3 updates are security updates.
[03:14] <twb> ...in aptitude or apt-get, how can one say "list only security updates"?
[03:14] <twb> Futher, how can one say "apply only security updates"?
[03:33] <opengeard> On aws at least, 10.04.2 LTS is available apparently.
[03:40] <dschuett> I have been troubleshooting this for ever now... I just set up my first bind9 dns server on ubuntu 10.04, everything works fine, but when i ping by the host name it takes like 5 to 6 seconds between getting each echo response... if i ping by ip the response time is normal
[03:40] <dschuett> I know people say this isn't a DNS problem, but i dont' get why it just started doing this when i installed bind and it worked fine when i was using dnsmasq...and also for the fact that it works fine wihen pingin the ip
[03:42] <mrroth> hi
[03:43] <mrroth> I rebooted my ubuntu server and I got general error mounting file system
[03:43] <mrroth> so it just brings me to the root shell
[03:43] <mrroth> in read only shell (maintnace )
[03:43] <mrroth> what did I do wrong
[03:44] <mrroth> bbl
[03:58] <RoAkSoAx> hallyn: ping?
[05:04] <dschuett> why does ubuntu do a reverse lookup on EVERY ping request?
[05:06] <sparc> hah, that's funny
[05:06] <sparc> maybe you can turn it off with -n
[05:06] <sparc> if that helps
[05:07] <dschuett> sparc: well, i know you can do that... but i don't get why it does this....? shouldn't it cache the first one?
[05:07] <sparc> maybe some people want it to be aware of dns changes, maybe
[05:07] <sparc> although, i guess the resolver should cache as well
[05:08] <dschuett> sparc: i have bind running and if i ping a host by hostname it takes like 5 seconds between each ping response because it does a reverse lookup on every ping
[05:08] <dschuett> but this is weird because if i ping google.com from my ubuntu machine it does the same thing
[05:08] <dschuett> but not with yahoo.com
[05:08] <dschuett> sparc: Kind of odd..
[05:09] <jmarsden> dschuett: ping -n yahoo.com should take care of that, unless I am misunderstanding the issue?
[05:10] <sparc> i think he's curious about why that's the default behavior
[05:11] <sparc> although, if my copy is doing that too, it's quick about it
[05:11] <sparc> and doesn't result in the 5 second window between responses
[05:11] <dschuett> sparc: oh, i forgot to mention that i notice that it only does this on ubuntu DESKTOP
[05:11] <sparc> dschuett: could be your resolver isn't caching and does a recursive query each time?
[05:12] <dschuett> sparc: why would google.com take a long time between responses but NOT yahoo.com
[05:13] <sparc> there might be a lot going on there that affects the behavior
[05:13] <sparc> most of which is outside the ping utility
[05:13] <dschuett> sparc: so you're saying that i should be able to configure bind to cache?
[05:13] <twb> 16:07 <dschuett> sparc: well, i know you can do that... but i don't get why it does this....? shouldn't it cache the first one?
[05:13] <twb> That would depend on the app, and on nscd (if installed)
[05:14] <twb> And of course your recursive resolver could cache it, too.
[05:14] <twb> Personally I would recommend using dnsmasq as your recursive resolver, and reserve bind for hosting your zonefiles.
[05:16] <dschuett> twb, how do you run both?
[05:17] <twb> Separate hosts
[05:17] <twb> Or bind one to the internal interface and the other to the external interface
[05:18] <dschuett> ahhh gotcha
[05:23] <geekbri> ugh, i can't get nginx to serve websites on an ec2 instance through its elastic ip on 10.04.  It serves it on the public dns without an issue.  any ideas?
[05:25] <twb> I heard that nginx ignores /etc/hosts and only refers to DNS
[05:25] <twb> Is that relevant?
[05:27] <geekbri> well i didn't make an entry in /etc/hosts but its probably relevant.  I think the issue is that an EC2 instance isn't aware of its elastic IP just its public DNS... i could add its ip to /etc/hosts i guess but if nginx ignores that it wont help anyway (that didn't seem like a proper solution anyhow)
[05:28] <geekbri> honestly im a bit stumped all together because i thought if you did listen 80; nginx would just listne to all incoming connections on port 80, but it seems to serve it some random "welcome to nginx" page
[05:28] <twb> geekbri: whu aren't you binding to *:80
[05:28] <geekbri> i thought that listen 80 and listen *:80 where equivalent
[05:28] <twb> Dunno
[05:29] <twb> ask netstat
[05:29] <geekbri> well , i tried * anyway and it didn't work :(.  This has got me puzzled and frustrated :)
[05:30] <jhaddad> are there reliability issues when using bridging with DHCP?  sometimes my vms  just seem to disappear
[05:32] <twb> You can't bridge DHCP; that doesn't make sense
[05:32] <jhaddad>  if I have a bridge set up on a network that uses DHCP, my vms are connected to it.
[05:33] <jhaddad> s/if//
[05:34] <jhaddad> http://pastebin.com/emBkQyY8
[05:39] <geekbri> well i give up. goodnight
[05:45] <jhaddad> well, if anyone has any ideas i'll be on for a bit... i'm not sure why my VM can no longer hit the network, but it's pretty annoying :/
[05:54] <tohuw> I've been reading about some key differences between Postfix and Exim; does anyone have any input on general usability and maintenance of either/both on an Ubuntu 10.10 server? I've only used Exim before...
[06:05] <jmarsden> tohuw: Use whichever you are more comfortable with, both work fine in Ubuntu.  I think Exim has two different ways to configure it (one big file or many smaller one) which can be odd if you are not used to that and come from running exim on another distribution or IS.
[06:06] <tohuw> jmarsden: I used Exim's "many smaller files" setup. Do you have any strong opinions on MDAs?
[06:07] <jmarsden> tohuw: Not really.  I tend to use postfix myself, but that's just habit/preference.  Along time ago I used sendmail :)
[06:07] <tohuw> (I realize that "whichever I am comfortable with" is a good answer here as well, but given that my previous environments sort of auto-managed my mail system (WHM/cPanel), I'm open to opinions/biases/religion)
[06:08] <jmarsden> I think more Ubuntu people use postfix than exim, but I'm not sure of that... so you might get better support from the Ubuntu community using postfix...?
[06:08] <tohuw> jmarsden: Sorry, I was asking about M*D*As, as in Courier, Dovecot, Cyrus, etc.
[06:08] <tohuw> jmarsden: Yeah I was sort of thinking that (about Postfix)
[06:09] <jmarsden> Ah... again I use what the distro uses, so I use dovecot.  That means for really simple installs you can use the dovecot-postfix package and it autoconfigures them to work together.
[06:11] <tohuw> jmarsden: do you find it simple to quickly add "virtual users" using dovecot? That is, just a mailbox address that is not attached to any real user on the system. Bonus points for experience setting up virtual users with multiple forwarders to mimic "Distribution Lists"
[06:12] <tohuw> I'll RTFM, of course, but I like to hear how many orders of magnitude the FUBAR is before diving in sometimes. :)
[06:13] <greppy> tohuw: you can do that with postfix & dovecot, but you need some other glue, I personally use mysql as my user store.
[06:13] <greppy> tohuw: http://www200.pair.com/mecham/spam/
[06:13] <greppy> that is setup for debian, but with minor tweaking it can be done with ubuntu.
[06:14] <jmarsden> For that kind of thing I tend to pick the tool that does all the "virtual user" management, has a web UI or whatever is needed, and then use whatever it asks for underneath. Which often includes a database.
[06:14] <greppy> O
[06:15] <jmarsden> tohuw: If you are coming from a WHM/cpanel background maybe you want to look at free alternatives to that and then use what they ask you to use?
[06:15] <tohuw> jmarsden: any tool of that nature you particularly recommend?
[06:15] <greppy> bleh, fingers not on home keys sucks... anyway... I've used the above link + http://froxlor.org panel software
[06:15] <jmarsden> It depends what exactly you need.  ispconfig maybe.
[06:16] <tohuw> jmarsden: I don't like systems that comandeer such a significant portion of my stack...  I prefer to self-manage, because cPanel likes to do silly things.
[06:17] <greppy> tohuw: then you may want to take a look at the link I tossed out there, that leaves most of your LAMP alone.
[06:17] <tohuw> greppy: ooh neat. I'm ogling it now.
[06:17] <greppy> but gives you a web based control panel for managing mail domains & users.
[06:20] <tohuw> hrm, I wish it could run on postgres
[06:20] <MTecknology> !kvm
[06:21] <greppy> tohuw: it probably could, but that's a little more tweaking :)
[06:22] <tohuw> greppy: there's only so much tweaking I'm willing to do in a given environment before I give up/go stark raving mad. I love toying around, but I don't like creating unstable environments that I can't get wide support on because they've been tweaked to death
[06:22] <tohuw> at least, not when paying clients come into the picture
[06:22] <greppy> *nod*
[06:22] <tohuw> my own toys are another matter >.>
[06:23] <greppy> I totally understand :)
[07:47] <alvin> There is a new version of Upstart that fixes bug 672177, but it is kept back because it would break libc6. I see this on all Maverick machines. Any news on the issue?
[08:09] <sk-ruby> Hi, Getting errors while connecting remote MS SQL server from my Ubuntu 10.10...check http://pastie.org/1520778
[08:09] <sk-ruby> any help would be appreciated...
[08:11] <twb> sk-ruby: there's no "isql" program in Ubuntu.  Is it third-party?  If so, you should be asking whichever vendor provided it.
[08:21] <sk-ruby> twb: thanks for the reply....I even tried using sqsh...got following out put....http://pastie.org/1520803
[08:21] <twb> sqsh isn't in Ubuntu either AFAICT
[08:49] <twb> uggggggh
[08:49] <twb> if-down.d  if-post-down.d  if-pre-up.d  if-up.d  interfaces
[08:49] <twb> Why is it "post-down" but only "up"?
[09:33] <sk-ruby>  hi, How to connect mssql from ruby on rails application in ubuntu system ? i am unable to connect the database....any help would be appreciated...
[10:12] <Frenk> Hello, I get an error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/561327/ Can anyone tell me what it means with EUID etc? Thx
[10:14] <RoyK> effective user id
[10:27] <totof> hi all, i've one question about netboot installation
[10:28] <totof> at my office we're using UCS Cisco and the driver for M81KR ethernet card is not included into the debian-installer kernel
[10:28] <totof> but this driver is included into the squeeze one
[10:28] <totof> is there a plan for adding the driver enic into the kernel for ubuntu-installer ?
[10:30] <totof> with the squeeze debian-installer the blade B200M2 from Cisco UCS are working like a charm
[10:35] <Frenk> RoyK: okay and can you tell me how to  fix that error? I reinstalled amavis and the user got deleted, now I reinstalled that and new user with new id was created.
[10:36] <Frenk> RoyK: change the writing permissions on the file and add the new amavis userid?
[10:44] <RoyK> Frenk: chmod
[10:44] <RoyK> erm
[10:44] <RoyK> chown
[10:55] <Frenk> Hello, I get an error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/561327/ Can anyone tell me how to fix it? I already tried to change chmod to 777 and chown to nobody:nogroup but it doesnt help - still the same error.
[10:57] <mrmist> The error seems to be complaining that it *is* writable, not that it isn't.  Maybe you need to restrict it?
[12:05] <qqqqqq> hi there !
[12:05] <qqqqqq> is anyone here configured an ubuntu server cluster ?
[12:06] <qqqqqq> what did you use in configuring the cluster ( e.g. drbd, pacemaker, etc)?
[12:30] <tlir__> are there compact versions of the 10.04 server edition? (something extremely lighter than 700mb)
[12:33] <tlir__> ahh, found the minimal cds
[12:33] <tlir__> seems to be what I need
[12:53] <Error404NotFound> tlir__: what about JeOS
[12:53] <Error404NotFound> ?
[12:53] <tlir__> what is that?
[12:57] <kobrien> guys, major problem. Mysql won't start for me under 10.04
[12:57] <kobrien> appreciate any help
[12:58] <dschuett> kobrien: any errors?
[12:58] <kobrien> in syslog: kernel: [1899017.029000] type=1505 audit(1296651360.578:68):  operation="profile_replace" pid=20591 name="/usr/sbin/mysqld"
[12:58] <kobrien> ^
[12:58] <kobrien> I'm thinking it's apparmour, but I'm not familiar with it
[12:59] <kobrien> just that syslog error there
[13:00] <kobrien> any idea?
[13:02] <dschuett> i usually remove apparmor
[13:03] <pmatulis> kobrien: is it a fresh install of 10.04?
[13:03] <kobrien> yes
[13:03] <dschuett> korbrien: /etc/init.d/apparmor stop
[13:03] <dschuett>   update-rc.d -f apparmor remove
[13:03] <dschuett> aptitude remove apparmor apparmor-utils
[13:03] <kobrien> but using a my.cnf from an older release
[13:04] <kobrien> any tool to check my.cnf syntax?
[13:04] <pmatulis> kobrien: hmm, maybe try the original?  or a simpler one?
[13:04] <pmatulis> kobrien: and mysql never started or was there a change?
[13:05] <kobrien> it was working. I just changed a variable in my.cnf...restarted, it wouldn't come up. I removed my change and now it won't start
[13:06] <pmatulis> kobrien: well, maybe reboot
[13:06] <pmatulis> kobrien: i believe you need to reboot with apparmor problems
[13:07] <kobrien> solved! thanks guys..IRC wins once again
[13:08] <pmatulis> kobrien: and the answer is...?
[13:10] <kobrien> 2 secs
[13:12] <kobrien> was chatting to bossman. Turns out I had taken one of two backup my.cnf's. The one I took was from a 5.0 mysql version.
[13:13] <kobrien> that was all.
[13:32] <jdstrand> kobrien: that is not an apparmor error
[13:33] <jdstrand> kobrien: that is purely informational
[13:33] <jdstrand> dschuett: why do you usually remove apparmor? if there are issues with the profiles, please file bugs
[13:34] <jdstrand> dschuett: it provides an important protection if/when there is a security vulnerability found in the application being protected
[13:34] <jdstrand> dschuett: at a minimum you can disable the problematic profile, not all of apparmor
[13:34] <jdstrand> dschuett: err, at most, you can disable the problematic profile, not all of apparmor
[13:51] <RoAkSoAx> morning all
[13:55] <zul> hey RoAkSoAx
[13:56] <zul> smoser: around?
[13:58] <Daviey> ho ho
[14:03] <smoser> zul, here now
[14:04]  * RoAkSoAx trying to repair his screen
[14:04] <RoAkSoAx> zul: heya !
[14:05] <RoAkSoAx> anyone ideas on how to get it to automaqtically detect resolutions
[14:05] <RoAkSoAx> ?
[14:08] <zul> smoser: is this ok? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview#Ubuntu%20Server%20Cloud%20images
[14:08]  * RoAkSoAx brbb
[14:08] <smoser> zul, i would mention, that since alpha1 we also started booting on i386
[14:08] <smoser> (other than t1.micro)
[14:10] <zul> smoser: eh?
[14:11] <smoser> "EC2 images now run on m1.small and c1.medium sizes, and t1.micro in arch amd64"
[14:21] <manas> anyone help me on this error kvm: /build/buildd/qemu-kvm-0.12.5+noroms/hw/lsi53c895a.c:596: lsi_reselect: Assertion `s->current == ((void *)0)' failed in UEC in ubuntu 10.10
[14:22] <manas> please help me
[14:23] <zul> smoser: thanks
[14:23] <manas> please anyone help me on this error kvm: /build/buildd/qemu-kvm-0.12.5+noroms/hw/lsi53c895a.c:596: lsi_reselect: Assertion `s->current == ((void *)0)' failed in ubuntu 10.10
[14:23]  * RoAkSoAx gonna reboot real quick
[14:24] <manas> anyone help me
[14:25] <manas> ubuntu-cloud
[14:25] <zul> smoser: is 711480 still an issue?
[14:26] <smoser> manas, don't ask to ask, just ask :)
[14:26] <smoser> zul, it is not an issue in 20110202 which is what we'll release.
[14:26] <zul> sweet
[14:27] <manas> smoser: i am getting this error kvm: /build/buildd/qemu-kvm-0.12.5+noroms/hw/lsi53c895a.c:596: lsi_reselect: Assertion `s->current == ((void *)0)' failed can you help me
[14:28] <manas> smoser: have you got error
[14:30] <totof> hy all, I see that enic driver is present in 10.04 kernel and 10.10 kernel but I'am disapointed cause this driver enic is not present into kernel used by ubuntu-installer
[14:30] <smoser> manas, i've never seen that error, no, but i would getting more information would be helpful.  kvm generally does work, it appears you might be using a local build, and we don't knwo what or when it failed.  I can't promise to help you, but those sorts of things are important bits of info for someone to try to help.
[14:30] <totof> and this driver is present into squeeze
[14:31] <totof> so is there a plan for integration of this driver ?
[14:31] <totof> I'm using Cisco UCS blade B200M2 with M81KR card
[14:32] <manas> when i am installing OS in  the VM using kvm hypervisor i am getting this error.
[14:33] <manas> smoser: when i am installing OS in  the VM using kvm hypervisor i am getting this error.
[14:37] <smoser> manas, from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>it appears to be a known issue, which may or may not be fixed in 0.13 of kvm.
[14:38] <manas> smoser: ok thanks
[14:39] <hallyn> RoAkSoAx: were you pinging me?
[14:39]  * hallyn is a bit chilly, power keeps going out
[14:40] <RoAkSoAx> hallyn: yeah... got my X fixed... what are your issues?
[14:43] <hallyn> RoAkSoAx: oh, i'm still (happily) in wmii right now.  my issues?  well i guess off topic here :)  but screen was split.  ping me on #ubuntu-desktop if you actually wanted to know, otherwise thanks for the heads-up :)
[14:45] <Daviey> hggdh, Around?
[14:46] <Daviey> hggdh, if so, are you able to apt-get install isc-dhcp-server, and sudo mv /usr/sbin/dhcpd3 /usr/sbin/dhcpd3  , and try again?
[14:46] <Daviey> I'm prepping an upload
[14:56] <hggdh> Daviey: hum. Have to check with zul. ^
[14:56] <hggdh> zul: actually, which machines are you using on the test rig?
[14:56] <zul> just cemepdak
[14:56] <zul> was right in the middle of rebooting it
[14:57] <hggdh> zul, cool. I will use mabolo, marula, and santol
[14:57] <zul> hggdh: okies
[14:58] <hggdh> Daviey: I will have to reinstall, so give me 30 min (or more, I just applied the latest updates to natty, and lost most of the windows controls
[14:59] <zul> Daviey: can you fix that torrent bug with eucaylptus while you are at it
[15:00] <zul> 697753
[15:05] <cmagina> hallyn: ping
[15:05] <hallyn> cmagina: hey
[15:06] <hallyn> cmagina: can you ship me a generator?
[15:06] <cmagina> hallyn: two things, are you done with my server and i have some info on the multipath run
[15:06] <cmagina> hallyn: the weather really bad down there?
[15:06] <hallyn> cmagina: yes, done with your server, should be all shut down.  thanks, it was perfect
[15:06] <cmagina> hallyn: awesome, thanks :)
[15:07] <hallyn> cmagina: it's bad for down here, yes.  17 degrees.  but power has been out all morning.  they turn it back on every 30-60 minutes for about 5 mins
[15:07] <cmagina> hallyn: on the multipath front, it looks like the new package isn't chatting with the SCMs properly
[15:07] <hallyn> so what info on mp?
[15:07] <hallyn> hm
[15:07] <hallyn> it has the alua-specific patches we had in the old package....
[15:07] <cmagina> i have the logs from both sides, the console on the server and the SCM debugging logs as well
[15:07] <hallyn> this is with the one merged from debian experimental right?
[15:08] <cmagina> yeah
[15:08] <cmagina> it appears when it goes to configure the ports, something isn
[15:08] <cmagina> wasn't done and the ports are put into standby
[15:09] <cmagina> the SCMs are showing a command they don't recognize on their side, but i don't have a good baseline to know if that has anything to do with it
[15:10] <cmagina> that is awful (the power outage), hopefully when the icy rain truly freezes up here we don't lose power lines
[15:10] <hallyn> i'm gonna have to start coding in a winter coat
[15:10] <cmagina> ouch
[15:10] <hallyn> it might be worth checking whether debian/experimental has any updates since i grabbed the tree
[15:10] <cmagina> all of the logs from the run are in my home directory
[15:11] <hallyn> i'll take a look when i can, but tbh i don't know that i'll be able to figure it out.
[15:11] <hallyn> note there have been some bugs floating around the dm-devel m-l,
[15:11] <hallyn> making me wonder whether i should've gone with debian/unstable after all :)
[15:11] <cmagina> yeah, if i get some more time today, i'll try and get a run with the 0.4.8 package and SCM debugging turned on for a baseline to compare against
[15:11] <hallyn> cool, that'll be helpful
[15:12] <hallyn> i ned to reproduce some other things today, i will hopefully lookat the logs tomorrow
[15:12] <cmagina> yeah, i don't know low level scsi very well, i know the kernel interfaces, but not the specification down to the hardware level
[15:13] <cmagina> hopefully the power situation improves for you
[15:13] <cmagina> might need to go out and melt some ice off those lines ;)
[15:20] <compdoc> -13°F here
[15:22] <hggdh> 10F here
[15:26] <zul> -23C
[15:28] <RoAkSoAx> 25C here xD
[15:29] <hggdh> Daviey: new CLC/CC/SC/Walrus installed, and I updated wrappers.conf; installing NCs now
[15:41] <hggdh> RoAkSoAx: I envy you
[15:41] <RoAkSoAx> xD
[15:51] <hallyn> ooh, power's back on for a few minutes.  i'm not optimistic though
[15:56] <\sh> guys, when you want to laugh about something: http://www.shermann.name/2011/02/serious-joke-of-day-drying-your-smoked.html <- this I saw when I entered our local DC room .. sad but true
[16:04] <hallyn> yup, there it goes again
[16:31] <SpamapS> hallyn: got a generator?
[16:31] <SpamapS> hallyn: or just making do with 3G+laptop ?
[16:33] <hallyn> SpamapS: the latter
[16:33] <hallyn> SpamapS: i was on 3G anyway so that's no bother.  it's just the cold.  (and down to 65% batt)
[16:34] <SpamapS> hallyn: saw the news reports this morning saying 2' or more coming to Chicago.. ouch.
[16:36] <RoAkSoAx> severe weather indeed
[16:37] <hallyn> SpamapS: yeah, they're having trouble too :)  i'm in austin atm though
[16:37] <hallyn> here they just aren'tr used to it
[16:43] <SpamapS> hallyn: why do I keep screwing up where you are?
[16:43] <SpamapS> hallyn: you just messing w/ me?
[16:43] <SpamapS> ;)
[16:43] <DrPoO>  Hi, Could somebody point me to a resource where I can learn how to make a RAID 0 array??
[16:44] <giovani> DrPoO: you want to use Linux md (software) RAID to do so?
[16:44] <DrPoO> giovani, yes
[16:45] <giovani> just look on the help.ubuntu.com site
[16:45] <DrPoO> giovani, mdadm
[16:45] <giovani> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID
[16:46] <giovani> md is common to all linux distros
[16:46] <giovani> so any md howto will work
[16:47] <hallyn> SpamapS: our family moves from place to place based on where you think we are not, yes :)
[16:49] <SpamapS> hallyn: diabolical
[16:51] <SpamapS> zul: ping?
[16:51] <zul> SpamapS: whats up
[16:52] <SpamapS> zul: so for the second time in a week, I have a plugin for mysql that needs the full mysql source tree to build...
[16:52] <SpamapS> zul: wondering if the mysql packages could spit out their source as a binary package.
[16:52] <zul> nooooooooo
[16:52] <SpamapS> zul: its mysql's fault, not the plugins' fault ;)
[16:52] <zul> SpamapS: riight
[16:53] <zul> SpamapS: so how are you thinking on doing it?
[16:53] <SpamapS> zul: a bin package that drops mysql-$version.tar.gz in /usr/src/mysql
[16:53] <SpamapS> zul: *or* .. producing a package with just the bits of the source tree that they need
[16:54] <zul> SpamapS: ok well show me a debdiff and ill crucify it...i mean review it ;)
[16:54] <SpamapS> and put those in /usr/share/mysql/include
[16:54] <SpamapS> zul: this is specifically for handlersocket and xtrabackup
[16:55] <zul> SpamapS: i figured ;)
[16:55] <zul> SpamapS: do they need a specific version of mysql?
[16:59] <zul> SpamapS: i need lunch so ill bbiab
[17:07] <soren> hallyn: Hey. That nbd patch... Do I need to do anything else or do I just wait now?
[17:14] <SpamapS> zul: sorry to answer your q, 5.1 or later for hsocket I think. xtrabackup seems to work with any version 5.0 or later
[17:15] <hallyn> soren: did you mail it to lkml and cc: arnd?
[17:15] <soren> I didn't CC arnd, but he responded anyways.
[17:16] <soren> hallyn: ^
[17:16] <soren> hallyn: Hm, or at least I thought I did.
[17:16] <soren> hallyn: https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/1/28/306
[17:17] <soren> hallyn: Hm... That web archive thing is odd to me.
[17:18] <hallyn> soren: looks good.  the thing now is to just ping and bug people until it gets picked up
[17:19] <soren> hallyn: When I look at patches in git, they have a crapload of acked-by's and tested-by's and whatnots..
[17:19] <hallyn> hm though i don't see it in myinbox
[17:19] <soren> hallyn: Do I need to add those or does whoeever merges it do that?
[17:19] <hallyn> when someone else sends you an Acked-by, you add it into your patch
[17:19] <soren> And resend it?
[17:20] <hallyn> can you resend your patch, and add 'Acked-by: Serge Hallyn<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?  (bc i can't reply since i don't have it)
[17:20] <hallyn> yes
[17:20] <soren> Man. git people sure like their e-mail.
[17:20] <hallyn> you don't always have to resend it, but after the first posting or so, it can help make your patch look more legit
[17:21] <soren> hallyn: Ok, so I got this: https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/1/30/47
[17:21] <hallyn> and yes, some maintainers will just add any acked-by's which they see in the thread if youhaven't.  at least i think i've seen akpm do that
[17:21] <hggdh> Daviey: there?
[17:21] <hallyn> soren: yeah but he didn't explicitly ack it that i can see
[17:22] <soren> hallyn: Exactly.
[17:22] <hallyn> soren: ah, ask him if you can add 'tested-by: <hisname>'
[17:22] <soren> hallyn: I'll ask Paul for guidance. He's the maintainer of hte nbd module, after all.
[17:23] <hallyn> soren: that's fine.  i personally would respond and ask if he's ok with you adding his Tested-by, but nothing wrong with that either
[17:23] <hallyn> soren: but if you *do* resend, pls do add my acked-by
[17:23] <Daviey> hggdh, o/
[17:23] <soren> hallyn: Will do, thanks.
[17:24] <hallyn> it's tough to type when violently shivering
[17:24] <hallyn> maybe it's time to go work from the car
[17:24] <soren> hallyn: Google shows a hit for my patch on patchwork.kernel.org.  I say 'thank you' to the latest X & companions on natty :-)
[17:27] <Daviey> :)
[17:27] <hggdh> I am moving back to my old laptop, works good on Maverick
[17:28] <soren> hggdh: Which e-mail to use for the acked-by?
[17:28] <soren> err..
[17:28] <soren> heh
[17:28] <soren> hallyn: Which e-mail to use for the acked-by?
[17:28] <soren> hallyn: Acked-by: Serge Hallyn<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:28] <soren> ?
[17:29] <hallyn> yeah that's fine.  (I've been waffling the last few months)
[17:29] <RoAkSoAx> hggdh: btw... any more news on the eucalyptus/powernap bug?
[17:30] <hggdh> RoAkSoAx: not yet, trying to zero in the other issue with dhcpd, disabled powernap for a while
[17:30] <hggdh> RoAkSoAx: I will get back to it ASAP
[17:30] <RoAkSoAx> hggdh: ok ;)
[17:30] <RoAkSoAx> let me know
[17:34] <RoAkSoAx> hggdh: but when you do, change ACTION_METHOD to 4 in /etc/powernap/config ... as I really suspect that's the case
[17:34] <hggdh> RoAkSoAx: thanks for this, I had already forgotten (reinstalled from scratch)
[17:35] <RoAkSoAx> hggdh: no probs, just let me know your results
[17:35] <hggdh> RoAkSoAx: will do, no doubt ;-)
[17:37] <iceflatline> Hi all, a quick question on time synchronization in server v10.10...
[17:37] <patdk-wk> use ntp :)
[17:37] <iceflatline> I noticed there is no daily cron for ntpdate and the ntp packaged is not istalled by default so I'm unclear on how it synchronizes it's time, or does it?
[17:38] <patdk-wk> it does each time a network interface comes up
[17:38] <patdk-wk> using ntpdate in cron is evil
[17:38] <iceflatline> lol why evil?
[17:38] <patdk-wk> your blindly syncing your time to who knows what and no idea how good it is
[17:39] <iceflatline> Well, sure, IF you don't, but if you did you would not object?
[17:39] <patdk-wk> heh?
[17:39] <patdk-wk> I have no idea what you said
[17:40] <iceflatline> my point is I know where and what it is syncing to if I were to set it up that way.
[17:41] <patdk-wk> then I couldn't care less :)
[17:41] <patdk-wk> as long as it's not someone elses public time server :)
[17:41] <iceflatline> right. Anyhoo... if it is syncing only at if-up then it essentially syncing only once?
[17:41] <patdk-wk> for a server, yep
[17:42] <iceflatline> thanks much!
[17:48] <Daviey> iceflatline, The primary reason for not using ntpdate in cron, is that it changes the time very rapidly...
[17:49] <Daviey> Some applications panic if the time jumps too far, especially backwards !
[17:49] <Daviey> Therefore, ntp does adjustments gradually taking the pain away
[17:49] <Daviey> ^^ better for servers :)
[17:49] <Daviey> uvirtbot, pah
[17:49] <hggdh> for example, dovecot
[17:54] <iceflatline> Daviey: Understood, that's why I was wondering why NTP was not used.
[17:56] <patdk-wk> ntp opens a port though
[17:56] <patdk-wk> I believe that is why it's not included by default
[17:57] <hggdh> and this brings us back to same old Q: why don't we use ntpd as a standard?
[17:57] <hggdh> (and ntpdate is being deprecated upstream)
[17:57] <zul> hggdh: dunno
[18:00] <iceflatline> Just curious how the server keeps accurate time on an ongoing basis; and it appears it can't unless you add a package.
[18:01] <hggdh> unless you have ntpd, it does not. It will start drifting, and the rate is pretty much relative to the hardware
[18:01] <iceflatline> hggdh: yes, I've arrived at the same conclusion.
[18:02] <patdk-wk> and location :)
[18:02] <patdk-wk> I had a server that kept accurate time at my house
[18:02] <patdk-wk> but in the datacenter drifted at the max ntp would adjust
[18:02] <patdk-wk> 500pps per hour?
[18:03] <iceflatline> Then the solution is simple - swap machines :)
[18:03] <patdk-wk> na, I swapped the internal timing method
[18:03] <patdk-wk> I think it was using tsc
[18:03] <iceflatline> tsc?
[18:03] <patdk-wk> yep
[18:04] <Daviey> So.... which lucky bunny wants to work on a FTBFS?
[18:05] <patdk-wk> iceflatline: http://the-b.org/Linux_timers
[18:10] <\sh> I wonder if it's possible to give grub-pc on ubuntu-server flavour a 5 sec timeout to hit <ESC> somehow...
[18:10] <\sh> (by default I mean)
[18:11] <patdk-wk> sure, edit /etc/default/grub
[18:11] <\sh> patdk-wk: I mean after the default install...
[18:11] <patdk-wk> sure, edit /etc/default/grub
[18:13] <\sh> patdk-wk: that's after after the default install...I mean by default...giving the admin a chance ;) hey, we are not desktop we don't worry about the 5 seconds boot time promise ;)
[18:13] <patdk-wk> you just said, I mean after the default install
[18:13] <patdk-wk> editing that file would be *after the install*
[18:14] <genii-around> If you have some automated install with a preseed file going, can use a post install directive in there to alter it before first boot
[18:14] <patdk-wk> you mean, you want to add a script to the installer to edit that for you
[18:14] <SpamapS> I think what he's saying is he wants the delay on first boot
[18:14] <SpamapS> genii-around: +1
[18:14] <SpamapS> :)
[18:14] <halvors1> I have some problems configure Samba server.
[18:14] <halvors1> ...
[18:15] <halvors1> Can someone help me with it.
[18:15] <RoyK> !ask
[18:15] <halvors1> Will pastebin the config file
[18:15] <halvors1> My problem is that i can't get access to the home folders i have been set up.
[18:17] <halvors1> Here is my /etc/samba/smb.conf file: http://pastebin.com/ANR6m2Gg
[18:19] <RoyK> halvors1: you haven't said what the problem is...
[18:22] <RoyK> http://pastebin.com/hN790Zat
[18:22] <RoyK> without comments - easier to read
[18:25] <halvors1> RoyK: The problem is that i cen't access the server (home directroys)...
[18:31] <RoyK> halvors1: not at all?
[18:31] <RoyK> or just no writes?
[18:31] <RoyK> you have write permissions turned off, btw
[18:35] <RoyK> halvors1: also, have you created samba users? smbpasswd ...
[18:38] <halvors1> I get no login box when try to login using Ubuntu Desktop
[18:38] <iceflatline> patdk-wk: Thanks!  very helpful.
[18:42] <elasticdog> so I just did a handful of updates on a 10.04 server, and now networking is completely dead: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/9757362/2011-02-02%2010.36.17.jpg
[18:42] <elasticdog> the proper module is loaded and lshw seems to see the Ethernet adapter, but it won't come up
[18:44] <halvors1> RoyK: ?
[18:46] <patdk-wk> lspci -v for the network card?
[18:48] <elasticdog> hmmm...actually, it looks like it replaced the tg3.ko module with the older version, and copying the new one to /lib/modules/2.blah###/kernel/drivers/net/tg3.ko doesn't replace it anymore
[18:50] <elasticdog> loading the module by hand with insmod works
[18:51] <patdk-wk> get blacklisted or something?
[18:51] <patdk-wk> my friend had an issue like that with his raidcard (not a blacklist issue)
[18:52] <patdk-wk> we just added it into /etc/initramfs-tools/modules, and all good again :)
[18:54] <elasticdog> patdk-wk: do you have to regenerate the initramfs after doing so?
[18:54] <patdk-wk> yep
[18:54] <elasticdog> makes sense, I'll give that a shot...thanks!
[18:55] <patdk-wk> update-initramfs -u -k all
[18:55] <patdk-wk> I'm not 100% sure if that is going to matter for a network card
[18:55] <patdk-wk> but well, not having the raid card in initram makes the system not boot :)
[18:58] <donvito> wich is better ebox or webmin for ubuntu server?
[18:58] <patdk-wk> neither :)
[18:58] <donvito> then what to use?
[18:58] <patdk-wk> ssh?
[18:58] <donvito> ssh?
[18:59] <patdk-wk> well, as webmin doesn't even exist
[18:59] <patdk-wk> but ebox is in universe
[18:59] <patdk-wk> out of those two, ebox
[18:59] <donvito> ebox sux
[18:59] <donvito> i cant even install it
[19:00] <donvito> it does problems with apache
[19:00] <donvito> and /var/www
[19:00] <patdk-wk> why bother asking then?
[19:00] <donvito> i cant even get to work
[19:00] <donvito> i also ask is there any other
[19:00] <donvito> like webmin and ebox
[19:00] <donvito> for ubuntu
[19:00] <elasticdog> patdk-wk: looks like my update went from 2.6.32-27 to 2.6.32-28 and I didn't notice...is there a way my updated module can be included by default in all version bumps?
[19:00] <patdk-wk> updated module?
[19:01] <patdk-wk> did you compile and install that network driver youself?
[19:01] <elasticdog> patdk-wk: yes, I had to
[19:01] <patdk-wk> hmm, ugly then
[19:01] <elasticdog> indeed
[19:01] <patdk-wk> the only auto way I know is dkms
[19:02] <patdk-wk> you would have to make a dkms thing for it
[19:02] <patdk-wk> or make a nice script to compile and install it
[19:03] <patdk-wk> and add it into /etc/kernel-img.conf (postinst_hook)
[19:03] <donvito> so nothing about my question
[19:03]  * patdk-wk says use ssh+vi
[19:04] <donvito> patdk
[19:04] <donvito> i need webinterface
[19:04] <donvito> for my server
[19:04] <donvito> so ill use webmin
[19:04] <donvito> ebox looks good but is pain for me
[19:04] <donvito> and really thanks
[19:04] <donvito> you didnt helped me
[19:04] <patdk-wk> I never said  I could help you
[19:04] <donvito> than shut ur mouth up
[19:04] <donvito> im here for help
[19:04] <donvito> if u cant help just read
[19:04] <patdk-wk> you the one bitching no one is helping you
[19:05] <baggar11> trying to dabble with MPD, doesn't seem to be binding to port 8000 for HTTPD streaming. log is no help...
[19:05] <baggar11> is there something I'm missing?
[19:05] <elasticdog> patdk-wk: thanks for the help...I'll probably just write a quick script since these are just test systems and won't be around forever
[19:08] <RoyK> erm ... there was an alternative to lshw, but I don't remember its name
[19:11] <patdk-wk> hwinfo?
[19:20] <RoyK> patdk-wk: no, it was something else
[19:31] <geekbri> in order to fully remove mysql-server and reinstall it, is there anything i need to do other than apt-get remove mysql-server ?
[19:34] <geekbri> because when i installed it after that, it didn't ask me to configure the root password like it did the first time
[19:40] <patdk-wk> it won't, remove doesn't remove configs
[19:40] <patdk-wk> purge removes configs
[19:42] <geekbri> excellent.  I actually figured that out and did that, but now for some reaosn when i reinstall it, its not generating some of the normal config files... for example /etc/mysql/my.cnf is missing
[19:42] <patdk-wk> odd
[19:43] <geekbri> patdk-wk: yeah thats what i thought!
[19:43] <geekbri> patdk-wk: it might not be a huge deal as i have another ubunutu-server with a default my.cnf, but it makes me wonder what else might be missing
[19:46] <zul> robbiew: i expect to have the new openstack release uploaded first thing tomorrow morning
[19:49] <ignarps> does anyone know a way to tell apt I use an external mysql server.    I just manually remove mysql each time.   Anyone know of a more elegant solution ?
[19:50] <patdk-wk> ignarps, it's not apt, it's dbconfig
[19:50] <ignarps> if I remove dbconfig will it not do that ?
[19:50] <patdk-wk> reconfigure it
[19:52] <ignarps> thanks
[19:58] <ignarps> patdk-wk, I just tried this on a vm.  I answered no to save passwords.  Then yes to prompt for remote database info
[19:59] <ignarps> I then did an apt-get install bacula-director-mysql for a test.  apt does put mysql-server-5.1 to be installed
[20:01] <ignarps> This is why I assumed it was an apt thing
[20:14] <lifeless> SpamapS: hi
[20:14] <lifeless> SpamapS: who is the current server team lead now?
[20:14] <SpamapS> lifeless: we dont' have one
[20:14] <lifeless> ah
[20:14] <lifeless> so, I can whinge at you then :)
[20:15] <SpamapS> lifeless: its part of robbie's plan to eventually become The Ubuntu Christ
[20:15] <lifeless> there is an opportunity for you to make Launchpad faster.
[20:15] <SpamapS> oooo lets do it!
[20:15] <lifeless> we have two Apache front end servers doing SSL unwrapping and next-step routing.
[20:16] <lifeless> as a result, we have two SSL session caches
[20:16] <SpamapS> ooh I remember this one
[20:16] <SpamapS> didn't the mod_ssl guys solve that long ago w/ mcache?
[20:17] <lifeless> see
[20:17] <lifeless> if its not in the package
[20:17] <lifeless> it doesn't exist.
[20:17] <lifeless> Know what I mean?
[20:18] <SpamapS> yes I do
[20:19] <KB1JWQ> Sounds like a memcached use case, depending.
[20:19] <lifeless> SpamapS: what should I do to help get this some cycles ?
[20:19] <SpamapS> distcache was the one I was thinking of actually
[20:19] <SpamapS> last mailing list post... 10/2008 :(
[20:20] <lifeless><EMAIL_ADDRESS>seems rather old. 'solved problem' I guess :P
[20:21] <Blegh> KB1JWQ: Thanks for the help thus far, should I repost my question here?
[20:21] <SpamapS> looks like apache 2.3 has memcached session capabilities
[20:21] <KB1JWQ> Blegh: Yeah, your issue is likely going to get less drowned out here. :-)
[20:22] <Blegh> ah, yeah, thanks :)
[20:22] <SpamapS> lifeless: I think you could just bug me to get it on my "webscale" blueprint as a work item..
[20:23] <lifeless> SpamapS: do it
[20:23] <lifeless> SpamapS: do it
[20:23] <lifeless> SpamapS: do it
[20:23] <lifeless> SpamapS: do it
[20:23] <lifeless> SpamapS: do it
[20:23] <lifeless> SpamapS: do it
[20:23] <SpamapS> lifeless: http://journal.paul.querna.org/articles/2010/07/10/overclocking-mod_ssl/ .. this is a great summary of the velocity talk from June that the google guys gave..
[20:23]  * KB1JWQ reflexively reaches for the banhammer
[20:23] <KB1JWQ> Sorry, sorry. :-P
[20:24] <lifeless> SpamapS: yes, I know :)
[20:25] <SpamapS> subject=/O=launchpad.net/OU=Domain Control Validated/CN=launchpad.net
[20:25] <SpamapS> issuer=/C=US/ST=Arizona/L=Scottsdale/O=GoDaddy.com, Inc./OU=http://certificates.godaddy.com/repository/CN=Go Daddy Secure Certification Authority/serialNumber=07969287
[20:25] <SpamapS> Don't we get like.. a special deal on thawte certs? ;)
[20:25] <zul> mmmmmmmmmm crack
[20:25] <lifeless> SpamapS: no; it got sold.
[20:25] <lifeless> SpamapS: its how we exist man!
[20:25] <SpamapS> lifeless: still.. should have written that into the bill of sale ;)
[20:25] <lifeless> SpamapS: they probably would have asked for a discount :P
[20:25] <SpamapS> lifeless: so.. we have a nasty cert chain..
[20:26] <zul> lifeless: im all for it unless it causes headaches
[20:26] <SpamapS> lifeless: as far as I can see.. we just need to build distcache as a package
[20:26] <lifeless> zul: so, the patch is pretty clean, the API is already modular.
[20:27] <lifeless> zul: its a new enum value for 'use memcache', and then the glue logic to insert and read back values
[20:27] <zul> lifeless<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:28] <lifeless> zul: minor stuff :)
[20:28] <Blegh> I cannot login or sudo on my ubuntu server box, get given errors and segfault error when using the correct password, details and errors: http://paste.ubuntu.com/561554/ I could do with being pointed in the right direction as my googling only seems to turn unrelated problems. Pastebin the output of "strace sudo bash" http://paste.ubuntu.com/561558/
[20:28] <lifeless> zul: someone was saying 2.3 has it builtin ?
[20:28] <SpamapS> yes, its in 2.3
[20:29] <SpamapS> but there's already a distributed cache daemon that works w/ 2.2
[20:29] <zul> then why not use the distributed cache daemon?
[20:30] <lifeless> AFAIK its not packaged
[20:30] <lifeless> it has a sourceforge project untouched since something like 2004
[20:30] <lifeless> its possibly Just Fine.
[20:31] <zul> have you guys done any testing with the caching daemon or any testing with the patch above?
[20:31] <lifeless> no, chicken and egg thing
[20:31] <lifeless> IS have very limited cycles
[20:37] <SpamapS> Its LGPL 2.1..
[20:37] <SpamapS> looks pretty basic.. which is good
[20:37] <zul> lifeless: right i would say open up a bug in launchpad
[20:37] <SpamapS> lifeless: another reason this hasn't received much attention is that for a while, its been standard practice to just buy an appliance to do all your SSL
[20:37] <elb0w> If people are connecting to our server in the U.S. from Russia. Could there be a setting in ubuntu that is timing them out if there is a long enough delay?
[20:37] <zul> and we can bring the discussion there
[20:37] <lifeless> SpamapS: we call those 'Ubuntu servers'
[20:37] <lifeless> zul: what specifically should I ask for?
[20:37] <spiekey> Hello!
[20:37] <lifeless> zul: memcache ssl support in 2.2 ? or distcache packaging?
[20:37] <lifeless> zul: functionally, I don't have a preference.
[20:37] <zul> lifeless: both i would use to take a closer look before doing anything though
[20:37] <spiekey> i cant read /etc/shadow as root  if i export it with nfs, any idea why?
[20:37] <spiekey> is this an export or mount problem?
[20:37] <spiekey> my export options are: rw,no_root_squash,no_all_squash
[20:38] <lifeless> zul: SpamapS: bug 712108
[20:39] <zul> lifeless: cool thanks
[20:41] <zul> SpamapS: damn now i remember where I heard it from...i had to build this for an isp i used to work at
[20:42] <ahasenack> distcache seems unmaintained
[20:42] <ahasenack> at least in the sourceforce project area
[20:43] <zul> ahasenack: thats what im leaning towards right now
[20:44] <ahasenack> what about (glup) mod_gnutls?
[20:44] <ahasenack> it does support memcache (so they say)
[20:44] <ahasenack> http://www.outoforder.cc/projects/apache/mod_gnutls/
[20:45] <ahasenack> libapache2-mod-gnutls is packaged (if it's the same thing)
[20:45] <zul> ahasenack: right but you have to patch apr
[20:45] <ahasenack> oh
[20:46] <sidnei_> seems like centos has distcache packaged *wink*
[20:46] <ahasenack> "To use apr_memcache with older versions of APR-Util a patch is required. This patch is not required for APR-Util after 0.9.7. To apply the patch:"
[20:46] <ahasenack> zul: seems we are in the clear regarding the patch?
[20:49] <zul> anyways i need to disapear for a bit
[20:55] <orudie> greetings. is there a way for me to find out what the password is for a user ?
[20:56] <highvoltage> you could brute-force it if you have a hash. usually that's very bad form though and it's better to just change their password if they have forgotten.
[21:09] <RoyK> orudie: it's stored encrypted in /etc/shadow - apt-get install john if you want to try to crack it by brute-force
[21:09] <RoyK> it'll probably take a while
[21:13] <GatorAlli> How come my python script (http://paste.pocoo.org/show/331280/) takes a fraction of a second to execute on my computer, but it takes over 45 seconds on my ubuntu server?
[21:20] <jdstrand> hallyn: hey, moved a couple VMs out of ecryptfs and am trying to reproduce bug #694029
[21:24] <RoyK> jdstrand: isn't natty in alpha?
[21:25] <jdstrand> RoyK: yes... ?
[21:25] <jdstrand> I was just letting him know I didn't forget about his question
[21:25] <RoyK> hm.. no idea how to debug that, though
[21:25] <jdstrand> yeah
[21:25] <jdstrand> it is a real head scratcher
[21:26] <RoyK> jdstrand: perhaps you could try a stock kernel?
[21:26] <jdstrand> I could, and probably will
[21:26] <jdstrand> I can say maverick works perfectly
[21:26] <jdstrand> 2.6.37 and 2.6.38 Ubuntu kernels, not so much
[21:26] <RoyK> I just use lucid for servers, so I wouldn't know
[21:27] <jdstrand> I hit this all the time when testing updates (which I do primarily in virtualization)
[21:29] <RoyK> do you get any suspicious kernel logs from the host?
[21:34] <KB1JWQ> Is it possible to use debootstrap on a Lenny box to bootstrap a Ubuntu chroot?
[21:45] <Patrickdk> KB1JWQ, sure
[21:48] <slicslak> sudo isnt doing tab completion, where would i enable that?  i have tab completion for regular commands, but if i start typeing a command after sudo, no tab
[21:51] <hggdh> what is the minimum size for a JEOS install of server? Of old it was 500M, a just installed Alpha2 is 519M
[21:52] <hggdh> in other words is this -- the new size -- correct, or is it creep?
[21:52] <Patrickdk> probably just cause it's an alpha
[21:53] <hggdh> maybe. But even alphas are expected to be mostly in conformance
[22:00] <SpamapS> zul: lp:~clint-fewbar/ubuntu/natty/mysql-5.1/export-source and lp:~clint-fewbar/+junk/handlersocket
[22:01] <zul> whats handlersocket?
[22:02] <SpamapS> zul: the plugin that needs mysql-source-5.1 ;)
[22:03] <SpamapS> zul: opens a new port on a mysql server that does high speed non-SQL reads and writes
[22:03] <mrothhh> how do I fsck lvm disk
[22:03] <SpamapS> https://github.com/ahiguti/HandlerSocket-Plugin-for-MySQL
[22:03] <SpamapS> its badass
[22:03] <mrothhh> doI need to use a live cd and run a different command to do fsck on a lvm dis
[22:03] <zul> SpamapS: ok ill have a look at them second thing tomorrow
[22:03] <SpamapS> zul: anyway, I have to disappear for a bit too. Thanks for looking. :)
[22:04] <SpamapS> zul: the handlersocket packaging is admittedly only 90% .. need to split it up a bit and ship the docs
[22:04] <soren> SpamapS: Ah, that thing. I've read about it lots of times, but the name never sticks. It's a horrible name, but yeah, it's wicked cool.
[22:05] <zul> SpamapS: send me an email to remind me
[22:05] <SpamapS> zul: will remind you tomorrow for sure. :)
[22:08] <hggdh> zul: did you run the openstack tests?
[22:08] <zul> hggdh: not yet but ill do it tomorrow
[22:09] <hallyn> jdstrand: still no reproduction without ecryptfs?
[22:46] <kinygos> hi...this may be the wrong channel...i have a server running ubuntu 10.04lts, with postfix/dovecot installed.  is it possible/feasible to reconfigure the domain name for the mailboxes?
[22:50] <KB1JWQ> kinygos: Sure.
[22:51] <KB1JWQ> kinygos: postconf -n to a pastebin please, for starters.
[22:51] <KB1JWQ> doveconf -n to a pastebin may follow. :-)
[22:52] <kinygos> http://dpaste.com/379382/
[22:52] <kinygos> doveconf?
[22:57] <torrancew> hi all, does anyone know if the output of the sudo command (specifically sudo -l) is configurable without recompiling?
[22:59] <torrancew> we're slowly migrating from RHEL to Ubuntu in our environment (hundreds of servers, a big task), and I'm finding that sudo -l under ubuntu, does not print the names of which LDAP sudo roles are used, only the effects of them
[23:01] <KB1JWQ> kinygos: Change /etc/mailname and the mydestination variable in main.cf
[23:01] <KB1JWQ> Adjust your dovecot pathing appropriately as well.
[23:01] <KB1JWQ> Test after a service restart.
[23:02] <kinygos> KB1JWQ: thank you very much :)
[23:02] <KB1JWQ> torrancew: man sudo :-)
[23:03] <torrancew> doh
[23:03]  * torrancew was just that guy...
[23:05] <kinygos> KB1JWQ: if i change myhostname too, do i need to generate a new certificate and key?
[23:06] <torrancew> thanks, KB1JWQ
[23:06] <KB1JWQ> Not to worry.
[23:06] <KB1JWQ> kinygos: Most likely. :-)
[23:12] <Blegh> 1 AM, 1 problem, 7 hours, and still no idea what to do :S Kinda wish it was win 98 randomly bsodding rather
[23:17] <kinygos> KB1JWQ: it worked a treat, without adjusting anything in dovecot...does that show a sign of misconfiguration on my part?
[23:30] <KB1JWQ> kinygos: No, it's only a concern if the domain is a part of the path to the mailbox.
[23:48] <kinygos> KB1JWQ: thank you once again for your time and help...awesome :)
[23:51] <KB1JWQ> No worries.
[23:51] <KB1JWQ> Running with apt-proxy, http://pastebin.com/2qKbHWeZ is apparently not the proper sources.list syntax.  A little help? :-D


[10:02] <Noskcaj> ali1234, What's the command to regenerate the ui.h file in mousepad? It's been about 6 months since i've done anything linux
[10:31] <ali1234> Noskcaj: i don't know, sorry
[10:35] <Noskcaj> all good. Anyone?
[11:05] <flocculant> bluesabre: bug 1515184
[11:31] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: need to build with --enable-maintainer-mode
[11:32] <bluesabre> flocculant: you're finding some crazy bugs these days
[11:34] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: so with that, you can build it and grab the update ui.h file to add to your patch
[11:35] <flocculant> bluesabre: you told me too :p
[11:35] <bluesabre> flocculant: and you're exceeding my expectations ;)
[11:36] <flocculant> ha ha
[11:37] <flocculant> bluesabre: I can wait till March and report them all at once if you'd prefer :D
[11:37] <bluesabre> D:
[11:41] <flocculant> bluesabre: I'm sure this has just turned up - I've done that 'category' stuff before with no problem
[11:41] <flocculant> also - don't know if you looked at the bug - but I confirmed it with daily in vm
[11:48] <flocculant> bluesabre: mmm - actually thinking about it - this must be quite recent issue, pretty sure it was last week I was talking to someone in #xubuntu about how to do this
[11:48] <flocculant> I'd have double checked I wasn't talking to the moon locally - which would have been xenial :)
[11:48] <bluesabre> :)
[11:49] <bluesabre> I'll take a look... it's probably just some crazy gtk thing
[11:49] <flocculant> yea
[11:49] <flocculant> anyway - tagged the bug appropriately :p
[11:50] <flocculant> wish I knew how to debug things a bit more than just report them
[11:57] <bluesabre> flocculant: I'm not very good at debugging myself... just keep poking until I find the offending code
[11:59] <flocculant> :)
[11:59] <flocculant> one up on me then :p
[14:14] <knome> again, it seems like we should have a team-only list for votes and such
[14:14] <knome> flocculant, i pity you for having to figure out the voting...
[14:18] <flocculant> knome: well - luckily there are only a handful of mail addresses I need to recognise :)
[14:19] <knome> yep
[14:23] <knome> flocculant, what's your take on the user poll for the slideshow now?
[14:23] <flocculant> for 16?
[14:23] <knome> for 16 or anything else in the future
[14:24] <flocculant> bit ambivalent now - not sure we'd gain anything much
[14:25] <knome> mhm
[14:25] <knome> it's still on the blueprint
[14:25] <flocculant> is it?
[14:25] <knome> yep
[14:25] <flocculant> just copied from postpones I guess
[14:26] <knome> i suppose so :)
[14:26] <knome> i'll drop it
[14:26] <flocculant> *if* it ran for the whole of the next pre-LTS cycles there might be some use I suppose
[14:27] <knome> yep
[14:27] <knome> then again... meh
[14:27] <flocculant> yea
[14:27] <knome> we got pretty much replies from social media and ML's too
[14:27] <flocculant> we could do a 'shall we bring back synaptic' one :D
[14:27] <knome> lol
[14:27] <knome> no point in that... we'd get all "yes" replies
[14:27] <flocculant> ha ha ha
[14:28] <knome> "i vote for trump"
[14:28] <flocculant> :D
[16:18] <knome> ok, many things from the wiki are now moved to the contributor docs, including the strategy document with precursory formatting changes
[16:27] <flocculant> cool
[16:28] <flocculant> though perhaps strategy stuff should be at the beginning ?
[16:29] <flocculant> someone can deal with my mp now perhaps :)
[16:44]  * dkessel tries poking bluesabre again to see if that will get him mousepad gtk3 builds in the -dev ppa :p
[16:49] <flocculant> you didn't use the pointy stick with the anti-forget-me-not powder
[16:52] <dkessel> if i knew what to do i would submit a MR or whatever is needed for that... *sigh*
[17:19] <knome> flocculant, dunno, i was also thinking it could be the first appendix..
[17:19]  * knome shrugs
[17:19] <knome> dkessel, i can help you with that :)
[17:19] <knome> flocculant, i'll look..
[17:20] <dkessel> knome: that would be great
[17:20] <knome> dkessel, you have time now or shall we schedule for later today?
[17:20] <dkessel> i have time
[17:21] <knome> great
[17:21] <knome> let me merge flocculant's MP first..
[17:22] <knome> flocculant, done
[17:25] <knome> dkessel, where are you looking to do a MP?
[17:25] <dkessel> knome: i am not :D  - i really just want the mousepad version from the x-dev ppa to be built against gtk3, just as the normal package is
[17:26] <knome> aha
[17:26] <knome> with that i can't help so much :P
[17:26] <knome> except
[17:26] <knome> bluesabre, POKE
[17:26] <dkessel> i guess that might mean modifying some branch or recipe that gets built
[17:26] <dkessel> heeh
[17:33] <flocculant> knome: thanks :)
[17:34] <knome> np
[17:35] <flocculant> and yea perhaps appendix
[17:35] <knome> i guess it depends whether the contributor docs will be the primary place for the strategy document
[17:35] <flocculant> right
[17:36] <knome> i would say it should be the place, because then it's tracked in a branch
[17:36] <knome> otoh, then the old cycle branches aren't updated with that
[17:36] <knome> unless we specifically do that
[17:36] <flocculant> I guess once it's all sorted out - then everyone who installs xubuntu will get a copy if it lives with normal docs
[17:37] <flocculant> knome: otooh - old cycle branches wouldn't have been brought to life under whatever processes are *now*
[17:37] <knome> :)
[17:38] <flocculant> so why would they need to refer to now :)
[17:38] <knome> i don't know
[17:38] <knome> to avoid confusion?
[17:38] <knome> "hey, i found this strategy document in the 9.10 release that says..."
[17:38] <flocculant> 'hey, I'd grab something up to date with a new supported install'
[17:39] <knome> yea
[17:39] <knome> but people
[17:39] <flocculant> unless docs can have a this was current at foo date ?
[17:39] <knome> sure can
[17:39] <knome> at least in some wat
[17:39] <flocculant> that's no different than old help files surely?
[17:39] <knome> *way
[17:39] <knome> nope
[17:39] <knome> not really
[17:41] <flocculant> meetings is wrong btw "The chairing team leader is cycled based on the team name." should be "The chairing team leader is cycled based on random ordering of the team name."
[17:42] <flocculant> :p
[17:42] <knome> or maybe the order is wrong :P
[17:42] <flocculant> :)
[17:42] <flocculant> I shouldn't be chairing for ages :D
[17:42] <flocculant> \o/
[17:42] <flocculant> I'll give Unit193 the good news :p
[17:44] <flocculant> I'll start from the top after I do the one in Dec
[17:52] <knome> the diff sucks, but http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/xubuntu-docs/xenial/revision/479
[17:52] <knome> dkessel, now you can read about doing merge proposals on the contributor docs :P
[17:53] <dkessel> MPs are no news to me, knome :p
[17:53] <knome> well i thought they were, so i was motivated to write about them
[17:53] <knome> :P
[17:53] <knome> but of course i figured out earlier they weren't
[17:54] <knome> flocculant, one thing i've been wondering
[17:54] <knome> flocculant, how do we specify the teams in the section titles
[17:54] <knome> flocculant, i mean, currently, it feels a bit weird that we have "common" sections and team sections laid out like htis
[17:55] <flocculant> knome: I kind of added mine to the end - then when I did the newer one, it needed to go before the other 2
[17:55] <knome> yeah, sure
[17:56] <flocculant> knome: possible to have sections? Like docs/qa/dev/web
[17:56] <knome> i added some comments to help with the arranging of the pages
[17:56] <flocculant> then chapters in the sections?
[17:56] <knome> flocculant, testing and bugs could be subsections for the qa section
[17:56] <knome> but i'm not sure if that would be helpful in the long run
[17:57] <flocculant> right - not sure either
[17:57] <flocculant> though - it's not as if it's wiki and people can chuck stuff willy nilly
[17:57] <knome> we'll figure it out at some point...
[17:58] <flocculant> yep
[18:03] <flocculant> should put my name in credits I guess some time too
[22:01] <ochosi> evening all
[22:04] <knome> o hai ochosi
[22:11] <flocculant> evening ochosi
[22:13] <ochosi> hey flocculant
[22:13] <ochosi> wait, have you sent that email poll out yet or did i miss it?
[22:13] <flocculant> ochosi: I did - yesterday :)
[22:13] <ochosi> oh
[22:14] <flocculant> :)
[22:14] <ochosi> hmm, something's wrong with my inbox then
[22:14] <flocculant> sent it to -devel
[22:14] <flocculant> you'll find it eventually with votes from not-team :p
[22:16] <ochosi> haha, dkessel mentions something and follows it up with "dont reply to this!" - awesome communication technique there dkessel ;)
[22:16] <flocculant> :D
[22:27] <flocculant> knome: is the docs contributor page supposed to look like that now?
[22:27] <flocculant> if they're supposed to link to something they don't
[22:28] <knome> flocculant, i've been lazy and have not dropped all the links :P
[22:30] <flocculant> ok - that makes sense then :)
[22:30] <knome> yep
[22:30] <knome> besides, i'm not sure if we want to use the entities file for the website stuff yet
[22:31] <flocculant> right - well, imo if that page doesn't do more than what it does now - seems rather pointless as it stands is all :)
[22:32] <knome> i'll get it fixed before we push it online
[22:32] <flocculant> ok - just thought I would ask now :)
[22:32] <knome> sure, np :)
[22:34] <bluesabre> dkessel: yes, I have the tab open, and was going to fix that... will do it tonight :D'
[22:35] <flocculant> evening bluesabre :)
[22:35] <bluesabre> heya flocculant
[22:35] <ochosi> hey bluesabre
[22:35] <bluesabre> hi ochosi
[22:37] <flocculant> bluesabre ochosi - while you're both here a question ...
[22:37] <flocculant> have xfpm set to ask what I want to do when I press power button
[22:37] <flocculant> when screen is locked - press power button - shuts down
[22:37] <flocculant> is that expected?
[22:38] <ochosi> well, when the screen is locked i'm not sure whether xfpm is still the one receiving those calls
[22:38] <ochosi> cause you're at the greeter level
[22:38] <ochosi> you could test that by pushing the button before you log in (after starting up your laptop)
[22:38] <flocculant> ok - so if it IS a bug - not xfpm?
[22:39] <ochosi> my guess is that it's systemd's default policy for the button
[22:39] <flocculant> ochosi: mmm - this expected to be different to desktop?
[22:39] <flocculant> in the meantime - trying ^^
[22:39] <flocculant> brb
[22:40] <ochosi> nah, i guess it'd be the same on a desktop
[22:40] <bluesabre> flocculant: yes, I agree with ochosi there... at the login screen xfpm no longer has control
[22:40] <ochosi> but i haven't used one for ages..
[22:40] <flocculant> cool - thanks both
[22:41] <bluesabre> gotta run again, bbabl
[22:41] <flocculant> and yes that is what I see if I press at login
[22:41] <flocculant> ochosi: so to pass this along - if it IS a bug - lightlocker ?
[22:41] <ochosi> not really, no
[22:42] <ochosi> it's just the fact that systemd doesn't offer a nice way to be configured
[22:42] <flocculant> ok - I'll tell them systemd :)
[22:42] <ochosi> and in order to change this not only on a user-level but on a system level the power manager would have to become root/superuse
[22:42] <ochosi> and only the system-level applies at the greeter level
[22:42] <flocculant> probably not actually a bug at all
[22:42] <ochosi> so yeah, i think you won't have much luck with reporting this against systemd
[22:43] <ochosi> it's a design decision for them that it's not really configurable
[22:43] <flocculant> ok - it's not me so much as someone on the forums
[22:43] <knome> theoretically... if we want to stop using the wiki, where do we track meetings, meeting agendas and meeting minutes?
[22:44] <flocculant> theoretically I would say either trello or leave some things alone :p
[22:45] <knome> trello isn't good or archiving meeting minutes :P
[22:45] <flocculant> best go with B then :p
[22:45] <knome> maybe we need our own wiki for *some* things
[22:45] <knome> i guess if we had the team mailing list...
[22:45] <knome> :PP
[22:46] <flocculant> except
[22:46] <knome> or xubuntu-annonucements or sth
[22:46] <knome> with no typos
[22:46] <flocculant> the meetings, minutes and agendas aren't ours - we just hold the reins
[22:46] <knome> true
[22:46] <ochosi> i guess if the meeting stuff remains where it is and we move the rest i'd still be ok with it
[22:46] <knome> i haven't seen many non-team people adding agenda items though
[22:47] <flocculant> knome: maybe not - that's not the point imnsho :D
[22:47] <knome> agreed
[22:47] <knome> just wondering - theoretically, as you probably all can imagine
[22:47] <flocculant> I like us moving things like contrib/process/etc to where it's going
[22:47]  * knome takes the mouse cursor away from the "delete" button on the meetings page
[22:48]  * flocculant reaches over and gently helps move the mouse cursor ...
[22:48] <knome> lol
[22:51] <flocculant> bluesabre ochosi - thanks - passed that along the chain now :)
[22:57] <ochosi> np
[22:58] <flocculant> slickyma1ter knome: might revisit the offline help page now I'm not seeing <para> everywhere I look
[22:59] <flocculant> there's one sentence already annoying me ...
[22:59] <knome> flocculant, looking forwards for the MP ;)
[22:59] <flocculant> :)
[22:59] <flocculant> it'll certainly be a lot simpler this time ;)
[23:00] <knome> probably so
[23:03]  * flocculant hates that pdf pages never correspond to what it thinks
[23:04] <knome> heh
[23:07]  * flocculant didn't know about bzr pull
[23:07] <flocculant> and was always pleased to have a fastish connection
[23:08] <knome> ...congrats
[23:08] <flocculant> :)
[23:17] <flocculant> right - well goodnight those still with us
[23:18] <knome> nighty flocculant


[00:00] <apb1963> well, I'm not quite as worried about my ISP... i'm more interested in why MY machine is sending out perpetual bootp requests.
[00:00] <apb1963> Or more exactly..... dhclient.
[00:02] <apb1963> And more importantly... how to make it stop.... other than killing dhclient... which I presume I need running.
[00:14] <apb1963> sarnold: strace output - http://fpaste.org/84551/94583190/   Nothing jumps out at me, but then I don't really know what I'm looking for....
[00:17] <teward> sarnold: unrelated: with the NGINX MIR, who else needs to review it?  And should I poke them, or just wait?
[00:18] <jrwren> its normal of dhclient to continuously do that when you have short lease times
[00:18] <apb1963> sarnold: I'm also not sure how valid that strace is... since it forks a child and exits
[00:19] <apb1963> jrwren: 15 seconds?
[00:19] <jrwren> that is excessive
[00:19] <jrwren> it is always and continuous every 15seconds?
[00:19] <sarnold> teward: good question; since infinity has already done an earlier review he may be ideal for finishing; he's on the MIR team, is familiar with the results and the packaging
[00:20] <apb1963> jrwren: which is why I'm here :)
[00:20] <sarnold> apb1963: yeah, I wondered what was happening in that child.. nothing else seems to stand out. maybe ltrace would be more instructive, we might see some library calls (strcmp, for example) that would be instructive
[00:20] <teward> yeah he helped getting the FFe for the 1.4.6 merge into Trusty so that we have the latest, I"ll poke him and have him do a review of the debdiff
[00:20] <teward> if all goes well, the debdiff that's uploaded to launchpad now might just be all that we have to do for this.
[00:21] <teward> (the nginx twitter has already retweeted my post that only the nginx core modules are getting main inclusion, so at least we have that)
[00:45] <apb1963> sarnold: it's a good idea... struggling with pastebin now, the file is very large so I've been stripping off lines to pare it down to something "reasonable", but I'm not sure how useful a pared down file is going to be.  problem is I still don't know what I'm looking for... I mean can grep for strcmp, but the question still remains
[00:45] <apb1963> sarnold: In any event, that's what I did... so here's that: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7076719/
[00:46] <sarnold> apb1963: hahaha, that's an awesome paste :)
[00:46] <apb1963> is it?
[00:46] <sarnold> apb1963: it's a question I've never thought to ask, "what do all the strcmp calls in this program look like?" :)
[00:47] <apb1963> I don't like using that pastebin... it has no expiration... that's why I was struggling with fpaste
[00:47] <apb1963> sarnold: I got the idea from you
[00:47] <apb1963> sarnold: so you get 98% of the credit
[00:47] <sarnold> apb1963: have you see pastebinit? it's pretty helpful for pasting huge things and lets you pick different pastebins
[00:48] <apb1963> sarnold: yeah... but it doesn't work with fpaste (despite it being on the list)... and you still can't set expiration time... or at least I certainly don't know how.
[00:48] <sarnold> apb1963: aww. :/
[00:49] <apb1963> sarnold: yeah there's even bugs reported against it for the same reason -along with a claim that it's fixed... but it's not.
[00:50] <sarnold> apb1963: it looks mostly like this captures the internals of the bash shell script interpreter, I'm guessing that different tokens get hashed into a certain hash bucket and then bash walks the chain of entries looking for the correct command; e.g. "echo" looks up "else" "elif" "esac" "echo"...
[01:00] <apb1963> sarnold: yeah well... to be honest I'm burnt out on filing  bugs at this point.
[01:00] <sarnold> apb1963: ha, I know the feeling.
[01:00] <apb1963> sarnold: maybe i'll get annoyed enough at some point to overcome the annoyance of filing yet another bug report
[01:00] <apb1963> sarnold: Thanks for your help though!  I learned a new tool... never saw ltrace before.  Catch you another time :)
[01:01] <sarnold> apb1963: have fun! take care :)
[01:01]  * apb1963 exits stage left
[03:17] <GeekD00d> apb1963: earlier you referred me to a channel #php. That channel is invite only?
[05:22] <Midion_> What does everyone here recommend for setting up a server? I just want something with a control panel. I was using virtualmin with webmin and I was told ubuntu no longer supports webmin.
[05:23] <Midion_> I'll just reload the server and try vestacp again.
[05:30] <Midion_> Is there a server setup with ubuntu that includes a control panel and ftp?
[05:38] <kriskropd> Midion_: I just learned about this channel, but I prefer working with my server via ssh - I run bash shells inside of tmux sessions so I can reconenct and continue from where I leave off
[05:38] <kriskropd> s/reconenct/reconnect
[05:39] <kriskropd> you probably are going to want to learn to do the same if you plan on using unix or unix-like servers - while some GUI cpanels exist for this-and-that they tend to be flaky and easily broken
[05:41] <Midion_> I'm just on more of a time crunch. I'm on day 2 of googling every other command i try to put into command line.
[05:42] <Midion_> I still don't have my backed up site up yet. If I had a gui like cpanel which I don't have the money for currently. I would have had my site up by the dealine I set.
[05:43] <Midion_> I'm just stressed. Just so many commands and ofcourse alot have to have something else installed previously just to use that command.
[05:43] <kriskropd> Midion_: you might find commands easier to use and learn if you learn to read the man pages - googling will take too long and often give you information that might be incorrect for your system - also if you are learning something robuts, you might find a channel on irc for that specific topic, for instance #bash or #awk or #sed
[05:44] <kriskropd> s/robuts/robust
[05:45] <kriskropd> Midion_: my suggestions is to take the command thing as slow as you need to, but make the effort to learn it - you will kick yourself for relying on gui once you familiarize with even just the basics of cli :)
[05:45] <kriskropd> Midion_: unfortunately, I don't have any good suggestions on speeding up such a tasking learning process :(
[05:46] <Midion_> I have learned alot more about command line. Using nano, vi, importing my sql through command line. I can only connect to my vps with ssh at this point.
[05:48] <Midion_> I just lost my job after getting in a car accident. So im just trying to get this site up and running as a source of revenue. Its more for personal reasons that im stressing.
[05:50] <Midion_> Thankyou for all of the advice and help.
[05:55] <kriskropd> Midion_: Sorry I can't make things any easier, but I do promise if you can get over the hurdle of cli, you will find things immensly easier as your mind starts to adapt to the more traditional unix-like system
[05:56] <kriskropd> also you have my condolences, I hope things turn out for the best and fortune comes your way :)
[06:04] <arrith> Midion_: i'm not sure if it applies but you see cpanel around
[06:05] <arrith> Midion_: taking a while to read the ubuntu server guide is the best way to do it
[06:05] <sarnold> ugh please not cpanel, might as well just publish your root password on your website..
[06:05] <arrith> haha
[06:09] <kriskropd> Midion_: webmin did at one point work very well and was, AFAIK, one of the better choices, but that was years ago and it was starting to fall apart by the time I actualyl got to try it for the first time
[06:10] <sarnold> ugh not webmin either please :)
[06:10] <kriskropd> sarnold: I'm not supportign webmin :) I used it once, and it never has worked for me
[06:10] <sarnold> I dunno what it is about those control panels, but most 'generic' control panel things have absolutely horrid code quality
[06:10] <sarnold> kriskropd: good good :)
[06:11] <sarnold> perhaps some ISP has a nice home-rolled thing somewhere, but it surely hasn't been well publicised :)
[06:11] <kriskropd> sarnold: I've the feeling that most of them are developed with good intentions, but somewhere along the way the developers realize they are working really hard to build an ineffective wrapper around a very flexible system
[06:12] <sarnold> kriskropd: yeah, I suspect they didn't set out to be a fertile field for remote exploits.. :)
[07:38] <Midion_> now i just have to make sure i setup sftp correctly.
[09:56] <lordievader> Good morning.
[12:07] <pmatulis3> morning
[12:14] <Midion_> mornin
[12:31] <Kully> Hey guys; I'm having issues with a new set up ubuntu pptp server; the vpn server can communicate to all nodes, lan and vpn-lan, vpn-lan nodes can ping to the nodes behind the server, but not the other way around... also nodes on the vpn cannot ping each other. Any help is appreciated!
[13:45] <stetho> The company I worked for was acquired and my users have all been recreated on the parent company's servers. This means all their login names and UIDs/GIDs have changed. Short of recreating everyone is there a way I can give them access to our old NFS shares? Some mount -o user=fred.smith option that I can't find in the man pages for example?
[13:49] <rbasak> stetho: NFSv4 has http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/en/man8/idmapd.8.html. I know nothing more about the topic though.
[13:51] <andol> stetho: Might you not want to update the uids the NFS server, or do you have other systems still relying on the old uids?
[14:19] <stetho> andol: There are other systems.
[14:19] <stetho> rbasak: Thanks, I'll take a look.
[14:49] <DammitJim> silly question. I just set up my server to have a static IP address, but the DNS servers aren't being updated
[14:49] <DammitJim> is there something I need to do to kickstart the update process? My /etc/resolv.conf still says the old servers
[14:49] <DammitJim> even though I added dns-search and dns-nameservers to /etc/network/interfaces
[15:09] <pmatulis3> DammitJim: what did you do ito restarting networking?
[15:10] <DammitJim> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[15:10] <DammitJim> then I did service resolvconf restart
[15:10] <DammitJim> but none of those are doing anything
[15:10] <pmatulis3> DammitJim: what release of 'buntu?
[15:11] <DammitJim> 12.04 TLS server
[15:11] <DammitJim> unless I was supposed to add my dns entries in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf/base ?
[15:11] <DammitJim> I"m confused... there are so many places that the internet sites tell you to do it at
[15:11] <rbasak> DammitJim: https://www.stgraber.org/2012/02/24/dns-in-ubuntu-12-04/ is a good source, written by an Ubuntu core developer
[15:12] <rbasak> DammitJim: the correct and easiest way is to "ifdown eth0" (or whatever), change /etc/network/interfaces and "ifup eth0" again. With care, since if you're remote you won't be connected after the first step.
[15:12] <rbasak> DammitJim: but I'm not sure what state your system is in now to fix it from where you are, sorry.
[15:16] <DammitJim> I can go to the machine and make those changes
[15:16] <DammitJim> brb
[15:16] <DammitJim> rbasak, but you are saying if I did the changes in interfaaces, it should all update, right?
[15:16] <rbasak> DammitJim: when the interface is brought up, yes.
[15:18] <DammitJim> I did that, but after bringing the interface back up, it didn't work
[15:18] <DammitJim> maybe I'm missing something
[15:19] <DammitJim> http://pastie.org/8911642
[15:19] <DammitJim> that's my interfaces entry
[15:23] <DammitJim> WEIRD, I ended up rebooting the server and that did it
[15:23] <DammitJim> maybe there is some other service that needs to be restarted when making changes like this
[15:31] <coreycb> jamespage, hi, for bug 1289935 we're missing an upstream patch in our icehouse keystone branch.  to fix that would we need to add the patch to debian/patches?
[15:43] <tomixxx5> hi i have inserted my usb-stick with a ubuntu server 12.04.04 iso image because i want to split my current ubuntu partition. what should i select in the main window. I can only see "Install Ubuntu Server", "Multiple server install with MAAS", "Check disc for defects", "Test memory", "boot from first hard disk", "Rescue a broken system"
[15:43] <tomixxx5> i follow this guide: http://www.howtogeek.com/114503/how-to-resize-your-ubuntu-partitions/
[15:50] <jamespage> coreycb, we should probably cherry pick that fix
[15:51] <coreycb> jamespage, ok, so put it into debian/patches?
[15:51] <jamespage> coreycb, yes
[15:51] <coreycb> jamespage, alright I'll work on that
[15:56] <pmatulis3> DammitJim: restarting networking bits is not obvious unfortunately.  if you can reproduce the behaviour please open a bug
[16:16] <jamespage> hallyn, not getting much more running the test individually
[16:17] <jamespage> hallyn, gonna gdb it
[16:21] <hallyn> jamespage: since this is only happening in ppa, i woudl assume it's either an old-kernel or permissions problem
[16:21] <jamespage> hallyn, I get it in a local schroot as well
[16:21] <hallyn> jamespage: ok that's good then :)
[16:21] <jamespage> so thats precise schroot on trusty
[16:21] <hallyn> since a precise container on trusty kernel on precise userspace didnt' work for me,
[16:21] <hallyn> i assume it has to do with a missing Depends?  maybe...
[16:27] <jamespage> hallyn, might be
[16:27] <jamespage> coreycb, responded on the db sync ticket
[16:27] <coreycb> jamespage, thanks
[16:28] <jamespage> coreycb, yeah - we should fix it the same way everywhere imho
[16:28] <coreycb> jamespage, ok
[16:45] <jamespage> hallyn, its failing in virNetSocketNewConnectSockFD I think
[16:45] <jamespage> src/rpc/virnetsocket.c:899
[16:48] <hallyn> jamespage: and what kind of socket is it trying to connect to there?
[16:48] <coreycb> jamespage, something is wrong with the keystone package repository -- first odd thing I notice is 'dch -i' generates a version with '1:2014.1~b3+master-0ubuntu2'
[16:49] <hallyn> oh i see it in the test,
[16:49] <jamespage> coreycb: we use that notation when we've had todo something based on trunk changing
[16:49] <jamespage> coreycb, I had to refresh the patches to fix the trunk builds earlier today
[16:50] <jamespage> coreycb, I would suggest that you just work against ubuntu:keystone for this change - we can merge it back in later
[16:50] <jamespage> (as changelog only if you see what I mean)
[16:51] <coreycb> jamespage, ok so that's not the issue but building the source package failed too.  I'll try ubuntu:keystone.
[16:51] <jamespage> coreycb, yeah - you would need to pull the master tarball
[16:51] <jamespage> coreycb, I have  script that does that
[16:52] <hallyn> jamespage: can you get an error printed from virNetSocketNew ?
[16:52] <jamespage> coreycb, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7080211/
[16:52] <coreycb> jamespage, thanks!
[16:54] <jamespage> hallyn, trying to
[16:54] <jamespage> coreycb, generally I update the version to include +master and then run that inthe branch
[16:56] <coreycb> jamespage, ok..  so is it ok if I work off this branch?
[16:56] <jamespage> coreycb, as that needs to go to distro now its easier if you work from ubuntu:keystone
[16:56] <jamespage> we can sort out the changelog later
[16:57] <coreycb> jamespage, ok
[16:57] <jamespage> coreycb, or you could just work from the previous revision of the ubuntu-server-dev branch and merge it back in
[16:57] <jamespage> either would work
[17:11] <coreycb> jamespage, is ubuntu:keystone lp:ubuntu/keystone ?
[17:37] <jamespage> coreycb, yes
[17:39] <coreycb> jamespage, ok because it was last modified in oct 2013
[17:39] <jamespage> coreycb, urgh
[17:39] <jamespage> might be out of date
[17:39] <jamespage> sometimes that happens
[17:39] <coreycb> jamespage, yeah looks to be
[17:39] <jamespage> coreycb, http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status
[17:49] <coreycb> jamespage, I guess I'll send an email to  ubuntu-distributed-devel
[18:30] <rostam> HI Is there any reference on how to install ubuntu server with secure boot enabled?
[18:32] <sarnold> rostam: I think you just grab a 12.04.4 installer and go... no?
[18:34] <rostam> sarnold, I am using official 12.04.3 (will try .4 if that is the issue). The secure boot is enabled in BIOS but I do not see /sys/firmware/efi   in the filesystem?
[18:36] <sarnold> rostam: I think the .3 should have had support as well..
[18:37] <rostam> sarnold,  may be I need to check the BIOS configuration again.
[18:38] <sarnold> rostam: note that our "secure boot" efforts are just to get the machines running using ubuntu, there's no integrity checking in the kernel for e.g. loaded modules..
[18:38] <rostam> sarnold,  is there a plan to support it in the next release of LTS (14.04) ?
[18:39] <sarnold> rostam: here's a huge pile of miscelaneous notes.. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/SecureBoot
[18:39] <sarnold> rostam: I don't think so
[18:39] <sarnold> rostam: it'll be the same "enablement" but not "enforcement"
[18:39] <rostam> sarnold, thanks, for the info.
[18:45] <tych0> hi hallyn, (smoser?) if i want to write some data to /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/ on an LXC i'm creating, is there a nice way to do that?
[18:46] <tych0> i see there are clone hooks
[18:46] <tych0> but i'm afraid it is a little opaque for me
[18:48] <smoser> in the end the only way to do it to my knowledge is to write files there.
[18:48] <smoser> the clone hook would be able to run some code on every clone of the given container
[18:48] <tych0> ok, that's what i was afraid of
[18:48] <smoser> which could do that for you
[18:55] <hallyn> tych0: the dir /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/ would be on the host, or in theh container?
[18:56] <tych0> sorry, in the container
[19:13] <delete> question, I deployed an image from ec2 into another cloud, it boots fine but it gets stuck for 5 minutes after some ec2 script that I am not able to find to deactivate. syslog output http://pastebin.ca/2655826
[19:22] <delete> any idea?
[19:22] <delete> ssh doesn't start for quiet some time
[19:28] <Kully> anyone ever seen connecting to a vpn bog out a machine?
[19:28] <Kully> especially running sudo commands and such
[19:29] <Kully> non-sudo seems to run at normal speed, but sudo nano etc takes for ever to load, and all sites on tomcat/apache load VERY slow
[19:31] <pmatulis3> Kully: do you use any remote (ldap) user management/authorization?
[19:36] <Kully> eh; tomcat hit's a database, but that's just for the websites
[19:36] <Kully> I can barely get hte sites to load, when they do there is a time out between the database connection I can see in the logs
[19:37] <Kully> but even when I was using tomcat-users for authentication I was still seeing the server bog
[19:38] <Kully> if I work as root it speeds up the commands; but sites still take to long to load etc. when I close the vpn it's still really slow until I reboot, then everything is back to normal
[19:42] <pmatulis3> maybe the server is using the vpn when it shouldn't, dunno, sniff traffic on the wire (tcpdump)
[19:43] <Kully> I don't think I know enough to do that :/ I wouldn't really know what I'm looking at
[19:44] <Kully> know any alternative VPN clients I could try for ssl vpn? right now I'm using netExtender for dell ssl vpn
[19:44] <Kully> we have a sonic wall
[19:44] <pmatulis3> openvpn
[19:44] <Kully> cool
[19:44] <Kully> thanks
[19:44] <markthomas> Kully, for starters, check the routing table before opening the VPN connection and then again after it's closed.  They should be identical.
[19:44] <Kully> i'll give that a show
[19:44] <Kully> ok
[19:45] <markthomas> +1 for OpenVPN
[19:48] <Kully> http://pastebin.com/iHMMjP0X
[19:48] <Kully> they're not the same
[20:00] <pmatulis3> before and after, not during and after
[20:09] <jamespage> hallyn, it might be related to http://osdir.com/ml/libvir-list/2013-10/msg00871.html
[20:09] <jamespage> but I'm not 100% convinced
[20:09] <Kully> http://pastebin.com/eZXYjDGY
[20:10] <Kully> still different, what does that mean
[20:54] <mgw> I'm having an issue getting dnsmasq and resolvconf to play nicely
[20:54] <mgw>  /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base has my name servers in it
[20:54] <mgw> but they're not propagating to /var/run/dnsmasq/resolv.conf
[21:32] <mgw> I'm having an issue getting dnsmasq and resolvconf to play nicely
[21:32] <mgw>  /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base has my name servers in it
[21:32] <mgw> but they're not propagating to /var/run/dnsmasq/resolv.conf
[21:44] <el_seano> I'm playing around with lib-virt, and deployed a vanilla precise-server image.  However, upon trying to connect to the VNC console after finishing the install, the console stops just before the login screen
[21:45] <el_seano> I installed openssh during the installation, and can ssh into the system, but it requires me having to sift through my logs to find which ip it nabbed via dhcp
[21:45] <el_seano> tried switching from vnc to spice with the same result, and getting it to play nice via serial console is giving me a headache
[21:45] <el_seano> any suggestions?
[21:46] <el_seano> primarily using virt-manager on 14.04 beta
[22:21] <thumper> hallyn: when running lxc-create, man page doesn't mention -B best, but people are talking to me about it
[22:21] <thumper> right now I'm special casing btrfs
[22:21] <thumper> what is the logic behind -B best?
[22:22] <hallyn> thumper:         char *best_options[] = {"btrfs", "zfs", "lvm", "dir", NULL};
[22:23] <hallyn> it tries in that order to pick a backing store
[22:23] <thumper> we have zfs?
[22:24] <hallyn> sure, i've used it with the zfs module at least
[22:24] <thumper> right now I can determine btrfs by asking the OS
[22:24] <thumper> and juju logic currently says "if not btrfs, use aufs"
[22:24] <thumper> is it worth special casing lvm?
[22:24] <thumper> and if so, how would I know?
[22:25] <thumper> hallyn: so as a side note, man page for lxc-create needs to mention "best"
[22:25] <hallyn> yup (or we remove it :)
[22:26] <hallyn> lvscan?
[22:26] <hallyn> but, if you use -B best then you don't need to check it yourself
[22:26] <thumper> if we use lvm backing we need extra params as well don't we?
[22:26] <thumper> I'm just thinking on the clone side
[22:26] <hallyn> only if you don't like the defaults
[22:26] <thumper> kk
[22:27] <thumper> however, I need to work out when on clone to specify "aufs"
[22:27] <thumper> I can use "-B best" on create
[22:27] <hallyn> stgraber: i suppose aufs should be added to the -B best set ^
[22:27] <thumper> juju now always specifies "--snapshot" for clone
[22:28] <hallyn> no wiat,
[22:28] <thumper> and if not btrfs, specifies "-B aufs"
[22:28] <Midion_> Is there anyway for me to test why my site is down? I ping the name and it points to the ip used for my server.
[22:28] <thumper> but that won't help lvm backing
[22:29] <hallyn> thumper: *or* you could just say that btrfs is highly recommended, and use only copy clone dir backed containers otherwise
[22:29] <hallyn> let the user specify a custom lxc path (i.e. /opt/juju) where they can mount btrfs, but leave it at that
[22:29] <hallyn> that would simplify debugging imo
[22:30] <hallyn> just bc lxc provides all those other optiosn doesn't mean you should support all of them
[22:30] <thumper> true that
[22:30] <thumper> I'm going to keep things explicit I think
[22:31] <thumper> other mount dirs can come later
[22:31] <thumper> btrfs aware juju, and defaulting to aufs will be fine for this version IMO
[22:31] <thumper> thanks
[22:32] <hallyn> thumper: well i was suggesting not even doing aufs...
[22:32] <thumper> nah, aufs is too cool
[22:32] <thumper> keeping that :)
[22:32] <hallyn> alrighty
[22:32] <thumper> thanks
[22:32] <thumper> no doubt we'll iterate on the lxc goodness inside juju
[22:32] <hallyn> just had someone on precise on 3.13 kernel report some host hangups with aufs....
[22:32] <thumper> but this is good enough for now
[22:32] <thumper> we are doing this for trusty ++ only
[22:32] <thumper> and only for the local provider
[22:33] <thumper> not lxc inside other machines
[22:33] <hallyn> well this was a kernel bug;
[22:33] <hallyn> but presumably will be fixed
[22:33] <hallyn> heck lemme see if i can reproduce that right now
[22:34] <Midion_> I went to http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ and it says my site is down. I am ssh'ed into my ubuntu server. When I ping my site with command prompt it is also giving the ip for my server.
[22:35] <flaccid_> i setup juju per the docs for amazon. when i do juju bootstrap it returns, ERROR environment has no access-key or secret-key, but those are set. is this a bug?
[22:39] <Midion_> went to http://www.whyismywebsitedown.com/ and it says: Your site is responded with a message of 503: Service Unavailable
[22:40] <coreycb> jamespage, 1289935 is ready but I haven't done a merge request because it looks like a merge against lp:~ubuntu-server-dev/keystone/icehouse will have conflicts
[22:40] <Midion_> Site was only working a few hours. Maybe it was hacked because I have done nothing on it but post articles on my blog.
[22:40] <sarnold> Midion_: excellent :) look through your logs in /var/log/ and try to find that 503 response..
[22:40] <Midion_> ty
[22:41] <coreycb> jamespage, due to stepping back 1 revision
[22:49] <Midion_> maybe i got ddoss attacked.
[22:49] <Midion_> most likely spelled that wrong....
[22:52] <sarnold> Midion_: ddos shouldn't cause 503
[22:52] <Midion_> named[26827]: client <IP_ADDRESS>#27785: query (cache) 'ns1.saptraining4all.com/A/IN' denied
[22:52] <Midion_> I see this in my log over and over and over
[22:53] <Midion_> i have no idea what ns1.saptraining4all.com is.
[22:54] <sarnold> that could be trying to use your dns as part of a ddos, yeah
[22:55] <sarnold> I hope your dns recursor isn't wide-open?
[22:56] <Midion_> i have no idea what a dns recursor is. i have been battleing with ubuntu for 3 days just to get my site up and finally a few hours ao it was up and now its down.
[22:56] <sarnold> hrm, why are you running bind?
[22:57] <Midion_> im using vestacp
[22:57] <Midion_> i think it includes bind
[22:57] <flaccid_> maybe there is some crazy problem with juju not working on os x. i guess i'll try it on ubuntu. everything is certainly configured correctly!
[23:01] <Midion_> should i install CSF + LFD???
[23:14] <Midion_> Is there anyway to get my site back?
[23:16] <sarnold> Midion_: did you find the source of your 503 errors?
[23:19] <Midion_> the only thing I can tell is on_> named[26827]: client <IP_ADDRESS>#27785: query (cache) 'ns1.saptraining4all.com/A/IN' denied was showing up over and over for many many hours.
[23:20] <Midion_> im wondering of that is the problem.
[23:20] <Midion_> if
[23:21] <sarnold> Midion_: it can't be good. if you don't know why you have bind instlaled, I'd go to some effort to turn it back off again. it's nothing but trouble.
[23:22] <Midion_> is bind for nameservers?
[23:22] <sarnold> yes
[23:23] <Midion_> that what it must be for then.
[23:23] <Midion_> I followed this tutorial. http://www.servermom.org/add-new-website-vesta-cp/1066/
[23:24] <sarnold> Midion_: so, at step 2, what DNS servers did you put for your domain?
[23:24] <Midion_> i have ns1.mydomainname.com and ns3.mydomainname.com in my configuration.
[23:24] <sarnold> Midion_: do you host those servers yourself?
[23:24] <Midion_> i mean 2
[23:25] <Midion_> i changed my nameservers at internetbs.net to those 2.
[23:25] <sarnold> do you host those servers yourself?
[23:25] <Midion_> i guess not
[23:25] <Midion_> i was just following what the tutorual says and it just used my same ip.
[23:26] <sarnold> then I'd turn off named :) you don't want to run bind.
[23:26] <sarnold> and if your configpanel thingy doesn't make that easy, I'd kill the vm instance and start over, their intsall script scribbles over a -lot- of settings
[23:27] <sarnold> (to be fair, their intsall script wasn't as horrible as I feared, but there's way too much downloading without integrity and authenticity checking for my tastes.)
[23:28] <Midion_> ok i think its off now.
[23:30] <Midion_> but my site still down. i can only get to it from the ip.
[23:31] <Midion_> i just understand because if i ping my domain name it also gives me my ip.
[23:31] <Midion_> dont understand i mean
[23:32] <sarnold> Midion_: did you find the reason for the 503 in your web server logs yet?
[23:36] <Midion_> this is what i see http://pastebin.com/pDVzHbip
[23:38] <sarnold> Midion_: check your web server logs, either /var/log/nginx/* or /var/log/apache*/*
[23:38] <Midion_> ok ty
[23:41] <Midion_> http://pastebin.com/G4BtyqUM
[23:48] <sarnold> Midion_: it doesn't look like a particularly clean config, but no real errors either. one bad file descriptor from a client socket is hardly the end of the world..
[23:48] <sarnold> Midion_: check the other logs in that directory? something has to have logged that 503.
[23:49] <Midion_> ok
[23:56] <Midion_> http://pastebin.com/k3yJuJkF


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