[12:12] <Keile> Is anyone here?
[12:12] <Keile> I need some help installing ubuntu.
[12:14] <philwyett> Please join #ubuntu for support
[12:14] <jpds> philwyett: *sigh*, too late.
[12:15] <philwyett> :-)
[12:22] <philwyett> Oops... Forgot to '/set irc_conf_mode 0' to bring back join and part messages. :-)


[02:15] <lifeless> question - is the seed directory needed post install? there's 250MB in there that appears to be one-off detritus
[05:13] <mborzecki> morning
[05:48] <mborzecki> wow /r/linux is melting down
[06:08] <zyga> good morning
[06:08] <zyga> mborzecki: i386?
[06:08] <mborzecki> zyga: hey, yes
[06:09] <zyga> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/i386-architecture-will-be-dropped-starting-with-eoan-ubuntu-19-10/11263/77 is pretty long too
[06:09] <zyga> fun times
[06:09] <zyga> how are you?
[06:10] <zyga> we're driving south from Lux
[06:10] <zyga> we're aiming for the coast of France
[06:10] <zyga> we stayed longer with our family in Lux because Gosia was not feeling very well
[06:11] <zyga> so we are one day behind
[06:11] <zyga> but now things are looking positive
[06:11] <zyga> mvo and pedronis are on a sprint this week?
[06:11] <mborzecki> zyga: kids are on vacations with their grandparents and i caught cold :/ before the weekend i hoped to be able to to 100km+ on bike, but did none of that
[06:11] <zyga> cold!? how did you do that
[06:12] <zyga> we're running south, trying to outrun the heat wave
[06:12] <mborzecki> zyga: heh, to much ice cream and cold drinks :)
[06:12] <mborzecki> s/to/too/
[06:12] <zyga> aha, well, the heat can be very hard
[06:13] <mborzecki> hope i'll be able to land some of the prs
[06:13] <zyga> mee too
[06:13] <mborzecki> wanted to do that on tuesday, but builds kept on being red
[06:13] <zyga> I'm going to review what happened in the last few days
[06:13] <zyga> and then look at most effective use of the time
[06:14] <zyga> ooo
[06:14] <mborzecki> zyga: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6922 your comments suggest you did not finish your last pass on this one ?
[06:14] <zyga> raspi 4
[06:14] <zyga> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-4-on-sale-now-from-35/
[06:14] <zyga> wow
[06:14] <mborzecki> surprise surprise :)
[06:14] <zyga> woooow
[06:14] <zyga> cha ching
[06:14] <zyga> though I wished for risc v
[06:15] <jamesh> is there anything more that needs to be done to land https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6954? (skeleton of desktop session agent)
[06:15] <zyga> jamesh: hey, I'll review that after 6922
[06:16] <jamesh> zyga: thanks. https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6959 is also waiting on a review from you (a helper split out from the icon theme support PR)
[06:16] <jamesh> the session agent one is probably higher priority
[06:16] <zyga> I'll focus on helping others in the morning then
[06:16] <zyga> I've queued all three now
[06:21] <zyga> small gap in coverage while crossing  countries
[06:21] <zyga> back now
[07:06] <pstolowski> morning
[07:13] <zyga> hello pawel
[07:20] <mborzecki> pstolowski: hey
[07:33] <zyga> brb
[07:33] <zyga> need to stretch my legs
[07:35] <zyga> jamesh: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6959#pullrequestreview-252711139
[07:35] <zyga> I'll do rest shortly
[07:40] <zyga> omg it is so hot
[07:49] <zyga> back
[07:49] <zyga> looking at 6954 now
[09:18] <Chipaca> ondra: you around?
[09:18] <ondra> Chipaca sort of uc20 sprint
[09:19] <ondra> Chipaca what's up?
[09:19] <Chipaca> ondra: spidev devices are always spidev< a bunch of numbers> < an actual period > < a bunch of more numbers >?
[09:19] <Chipaca> like spidev12345.12345 ?
[09:19] <Chipaca> device nodes*
[09:23] <ondra> Chipaca so only saw  spidev< a bunch of numbers> < an actual period > < single digit number>
[09:24] <ondra> Chipaca not sure of num after period can be also multi digit
[09:24] <Chipaca> ondra: ok
[09:24] <Chipaca> ondra: i'll comment on your PR
[09:24] <ondra> Chipaca probably best to ask some real kernel expert :)
[09:24] <ondra> Chipaca thanks :)
[09:24] <ondra> Chipaca PR is based on actual hw experience
[09:24] <Chipaca> ondra: it's about that pesky period
[09:25] <Chipaca> ondra: which lets any character through right now
[09:26] <ondra> Chipaca ah, can we lock that? I will double check PR
[09:27] <zyga> mborzecki: hey
[09:27] <zyga> mborzecki: I will need to fix 1819875 today
[09:27] <zyga> mborzecki: wanna talk about it briefly
[09:27] <zyga> mborzecki: I had some ideas before and those got stuck somehow
[09:28] <Chipaca> ondra: package main
[09:28] <Chipaca> import (
[09:28] <Chipaca> 	"fmt"
[09:28] <Chipaca> 	"regexp"
[09:28] <Chipaca> )
[09:28] <Chipaca> var rx = regexp.MustCompile("^/dev/spidev[0-9]+.[0-9]+$")
[09:28] <Chipaca> func main() {
[09:28] <Chipaca> 	for _, s := range []string{
[09:28] <Chipaca> 		"/dev/spidev1.0",
[09:28] <Chipaca> 		"/dev/spidev1💩0",
[09:28] <zyga> Chipaca: get a pastebin ;)
[09:28] <Chipaca> 	} {
[09:28] <Chipaca> 		fmt.Println(s, rx.FindString(s))
[09:28] <Chipaca> 	}
[09:28] <Chipaca> }
[09:28] <Chipaca> ugh
[09:28] <Chipaca> sorry
[09:28] <zyga> hey Chipaca :)
[09:28] <Chipaca> that was meant to be a url
[09:28] <Chipaca> https://play.golang.org/p/ZzpJfEhHC66
[09:28] <Chipaca> ^ that one
[09:28] <Chipaca> zyga: hiya!
[09:28] <zyga> long time no see, how are you?
[09:28] <Chipaca> zyga: apparently, bad at copy-and-paste
[09:29]  * Chipaca unsubscribes from stack overflow
[09:29] <Chipaca> ondra: in case I bamboozled you too much, here's the url again: https://play.golang.org/p/ZzpJfEhHC66
[09:29] <zyga> Chipaca: 386 is the number of diffefent of opinions on 32bit libraries today
[09:29] <Chipaca> ondra: i.e. the current code has a bug, plz fix :-D (note the bug is there already, but, while you're there...)
[09:30] <Chipaca> zyga: I have Opinions.
[09:30] <mborzecki> Chipaca: apparently the whole of internet has opinions
[09:32] <Chipaca> mborzecki: https://picon.ngfiles.com/599000/flash_599131_largest_crop.jpg
[09:34] <ondra> Chipaca yeah agree, I will update PR
[09:39] <Chipaca> important to remember that go's regexpses are always unicode-y
[09:57] <ondra> Chipaca when I use your example I get actually error
[09:57] <Chipaca> ondra: what error?
[09:57] <ondra> Chipaca ./prog.go:8:49: unknown escape sequence
[09:58] <Chipaca> ondra: can you show me the regexp?
[09:58] <ondra> Chipaca ah wait,  I might need to changes brackets
[10:00] <ondra> Chipaca OK this one works var rx = regexp.MustCompile(`^/dev/spidev[0-9]+\.[0-9]+$`)
[10:00] <Chipaca> ondra: by brackets you mean changing "s to `s?
[10:01]  * pstolowski early lunch
[10:02] <ondra> Chipaca yeap
[10:02] <Chipaca> ondra: k
[10:02] <ondra> Chipaca that fixed it I will update PR
[10:03] <zyga> looking at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6922
[10:22] <mborzecki> ondra: left some questions under https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7022
[10:22] <mborzecki> that mediatek driver looks fishy :/
[10:26] <mborzecki> ondra: typo in the regex https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/compare/4a8f6caec4705fd950cdd15ded97b7e972f13076..703e8fc307c499659bbd21e36882bee18a39be7d#discussion_r296654422 ?
[10:27] <Chipaca> #7024 is a nice simple mostly-mechanical PR if you're feeling like it
[10:49] <ondra> mborzecki what is that diff for? I think you are diffing too many commits, PR is just one small commit
[10:51] <mborzecki> ondra: wrong link last time, try this one: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7023#discussion_r296654422
[11:40] <pstolowski> mborzecki: 6997 can land
[11:41] <mborzecki> pstolowski: great, landing now ;)
[12:34]  * zyga is feeling so so due to driving and working
[12:48] <Chipaca> zyga: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52ogQS6QKxc
[12:51] <zyga> Chipaca: if that scales to 13" panels I'm happy
[12:51] <Chipaca> now trying to find dobey's twitter handle to point him at it :)
[13:00] <zyga> I will be joining shortly
[13:02] <mborzecki> cachio: standup?
[13:02] <ogra> zyga, https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/IwQAAOSwvUlWsxE6/s-l640.jpg scales it to 13"
[13:04] <ogra> like in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXW32WB3Xm4
[13:07] <ogra> ppisati, sniff ... found a kernel bug with "sudo modprobe bcm2835-v4l2" ... https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xB8JcJXGx9/ ... the pi camera works fine when using it via the python lib
[13:07] <ogra> (just not when trying to get a v4l device for it)
[13:08] <ppisati> ogra: open an LP bug, how to reproduce it, etc
[13:10] <ogra> yeah, will do
[13:11] <ogra> havent tried core18 yet, perhaps 4.15 behaves better (but UC18 is a pain to use for development, missing all ools i like to use)
[13:11] <ogra> *tools
[13:37] <ogra> ppisati, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-raspi2/+bug/1834039 is yours
[13:50] <ppisati> ogra: so, just loading the kmod oops the kernel?
[13:58] <ackk> jdstrand, hi, around?
[14:03] <pstolowski> yay, travis finally believed me when i say i signed CLA
[14:07] <jdstrand> ackk: I am, though I am preparing for/about to attend a meeting, so feel free to ask and I can either answer quickly or circle back
[14:10] <ackk> jdstrand, just to confirm, with the patched snapd for the system users it should be possible to call setgroups(0, NULL), correct?
[14:12] <jdstrand> ackk: yes, but your application needs to be modified to do it if it is calling setgroups some other way.
[14:13] <jdstrand> (eg, patch or LD_PRELOAD)
[14:13] <jdstrand> snap run --strace ... will show you how it is being called
[14:14] <jdstrand> ackk: also, fyi, I will be picked up that PR this week. there will be some minor snap.yaml changes but otherwise it will work as you've been testing it
[14:14] <jdstrand> picking*
[14:14] <ackk> jdstrand, yes, that's what I have, the preload ends up calling it with 0, NULL
[14:15] <ackk> jdstrand, awesome, any ETA on when it will be available in a release?
[14:16] <jdstrand> ackk: considering the focus on uc20 this week and the people who would review it are sprinting this week, there probably isn't going to be much movement for a week or two (I have a lot to do and will do it, but then need reviews, etc)
[14:17] <ackk> jdstrand, ok, cool
[14:17] <ackk> thanks
[14:17] <jdstrand> ackk: I say that cause I don't know the timing of 2.40. I guess it is possible to be in that, but more likely 2.41
[14:18] <jdstrand> ackk: they want it, so it is possible if I get to everything this week while they are sprinting (my plan), then they'll make it required for 2.40
[14:19] <jdstrand> we'll see
[14:19] <ackk> jdstrand, ok, thanks for the info
[14:20] <marcustomlinson> hey snappy brains. Have you ever thought about the possibility of allowing snaps to perform additional install time operations?
[14:21] <ogra> ppisati, yep, exactly
[14:23] <marcustomlinson> I was thinking of the slow first launch situation we face with some snaps. Would be cool (maybe? I think so at least) if we could offload some of that required initial config to the install
[14:24] <seb128> marcustomlinson, https://docs.snapcraft.io/supported-snap-hooks ?
[14:25] <ogra> marcustomlinson, the prob here is that many bits that cause slowness are related to putting bits and pieces into SNAP_USER_DATA ... at install time you dont really have that around (apart from the ability to forcefully put pre-cached files into every users home)
[14:25] <marcustomlinson> ogra: ah
[14:26] <marcustomlinson> seb128: thanks, that is also useful info
[14:26] <seb128> np
[14:39] <zyga> re
[14:40] <zyga> 39C
[14:40] <zyga> halp
[15:21] <ogra> jdstrand, hmm ... so i'm playing with a Pi camera attached via the CSI interface of the Pi, not usb ... using the picamera python lib i can access the camera via /dev/vchiq ... for access to that device node i need to use the opengl interface instead of the camera interface which feels a bit unlogic (but such is the Pi in itself :P ) ...
[15:21] <niemeyer> mup: Hello.. are you alive and kicking?
[15:21] <pstolowski> sergiusens: hey, can take a look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2609 ?
[15:21] <mup> niemeyer: I apologize, but I'm pretty strict about only responding to known commands.
[15:21] <mup> PR snapcraft#2609: schema: allow 'snapd' snap type <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2609>
[15:21] <niemeyer> mup: o/
[15:21] <mup> niemeyer: In-com-pre-hen-si-ble-ness.
[15:21] <ogra> jdstrand, i wonder if we could have vchiq added to the camera interface too so i could use the camera interface here
[15:23] <sergiusens> pstolowski: sure. Right after I finish picking up my son from school
[15:23] <pstolowski> sergiusens: ty!
[15:38] <mup> PR snapd#6995 closed: gadget: fallback device lookup <Gadget update> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6995>
[15:38] <mborzecki> yay, mup is back
[15:41] <niemeyer> Yeah, sorry about that
[15:41] <niemeyer> I'll patch it so this manual action isn't necessary as soon as I can stop traveling for a few days
[15:55] <zyga> mborzecki: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7026
[15:55] <mup> PR #7026:  cmd,tests: forcibly discard mount namespace when bases change <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7026>
[15:55] <zyga> mborzecki: draft, I will likely split the patch into several but I _think_ this is mostly it
[15:56] <mborzecki> niemeyer: thank you!
[15:56] <mup> PR snapd#7026 opened:  cmd,tests: forcibly discard mount namespace when bases change <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7026>
[15:56] <mborzecki> zyga: ok, looking
[15:58] <zyga> thank you
[15:58] <zyga> I'm in a tunnel, spread running
[15:58] <zyga> will see
[16:03] <zyga> mborzecki: it passed locally
[16:04] <zyga> trying on core16 next
[16:04] <zyga> as there are usually dragons there
[16:07] <mup> Bug #1834061 opened: qt apps in hidpi looks tiny <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1834061>
[16:30] <ogra> bah ... kyrofa, sergiusens, did https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2322 not land in a stable snapcraft yet ? or can you not use it with the python plugin ?
[16:30] <mup> PR snapcraft#2322: project_loader: add build-environment part property <Created by kyrofa> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2322>
[16:30] <ogra> i'm getting: "Failed to load plugin: properties failed to load for picamera: Additional properties are not allowed ('build-environment' was unexpected)"
[16:32] <kyrofa> ogra, it landed ages ago, but are you specifying a base?
[16:32] <ogra> nope, building for core16 so no base
[16:32] <kyrofa> ogra, try `base: core`
[16:32] <kyrofa> That will opt into the "new" snapcraft
[16:33] <kyrofa> But still build for core16
[16:33] <ogra> ok
[16:33] <kyrofa> If you're not specifying a base, you're essentially still using snapcraft v2
[16:34] <ogra> well, lets see what build.s.io thinks now
[16:36] <ogra> the big sillyness of the week ... all raspberry pi pip modules force-run a test if they are getting built on a pi ... if not they fail ... to override it you need to export "READTHEDOCS=True" ... so intuitive !!!
[16:37] <jdstrand> ogra: I've taken a note to look at that
[16:38] <ogra> jdstrand, thanks ... it isnt a blocker or anything ... just feels more natural to use camera for cameras :)
[16:38]  * jdstrand nods
[16:51] <ogra> Issues while validating snapcraft.yaml: The 'parts/picamera/build-environment[0]/READTHEDOCS' property does not match the required schema: True is not of type 'string'
[16:51] <ogra> GRRR !!!
[17:06] <mborzecki_> zyga: left some comments
[17:06] <mborzecki_> zyga: best if jdstrand takes a look as well
[17:07] <zyga> mborzecki_: thank you, looking
[17:19] <mborzecki> zyga: i noticed that selinux raised something in your PR
[18:04]  * Chipaca EODs
[19:13] <cjwatson> ogra: READTHEDOCS: 'True'   if you haven't figured it out already
[19:29] <sergiusens> kyrofa: do you have time this week to work with cachio on why the catkin-pull tests fail on the gce images?
[19:34] <cachio> sergiusens, kyrofa do you have logs?
[19:35] <sergiusens> cachio: here's one failure https://travis-ci.org/snapcore/snapcraft/jobs/548801440
[19:37] <cachio> sergiusens, the error is related to the repo (Failed to update the package cache)
[19:37] <sergiusens> kyrofa: I guess a quick trick we can do is just add a PR that prints out apt's configuration
[19:38] <cachio> sergiusens, kyrofa it would be nice if you add debug: to the test
[19:38] <cachio> then it will print all the debug info you want to see in case the test fails
[19:38] <sergiusens> cachio: yes, because `  The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F42ED6FBAB17C654`, but xenial doesn't enforce that by default
[19:38] <sergiusens> so the theory is that the images were modified to enforce it
[19:39] <sergiusens> cachio: do you have an example of that? I suppose it does not require calling `spread` with `-debug`
[19:40] <cachio> just add debug:
[19:40] <cachio> to the test
[19:40] <cachio> and then the scirpt you want to run to get debug info in case of failure
[19:41] <cachio> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/blob/master/tests/main/appstream-id/task.yaml#L13
[19:41] <cachio> sergiusens, this is anexample
[19:41] <cachio> the first I found
[19:45] <sergiusens> cachio: `debug` is only triggered on errors and before `restore` is run, correct?
[19:45] <cachio> sergiusens, yes
[19:52] <sergiusens> cachio: kyrofa if so, then https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2610
[19:57] <cachio> sergiusens, debug: |
[20:04] <sergiusens> cachio: even if it is a one liner? I'll fix it regardless in case it becomes a N liner
[20:23] <cachio> sergiusens, Failed to fetch http://us-east-1.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/apt/libapt-pkg5.0_1.2.32_amd64.deb
[20:23] <cachio> sergiusens, which images are you using?
[20:25] <sergiusens> cachio: https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/blob/master/spread.yaml#L35
[20:25] <sergiusens> cachio: fortunately, those network errors are transient ones from Travis, we have not reached the spread stage yet
[20:28] <cachio> sergiusens, yes, reading the https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/blob/master/.travis.yml
[20:29] <cachio> the alternative to skip this errors could be to create a spread tests which runs the unit tests
[20:29] <cachio> so you just need to install spread and then you run everything in gce
[20:29] <cachio> and you acn run units tests together with the rest of the spread tests
[20:29] <sergiusens> oh, it is transient and moving that to spread has been in our thoughts
[20:30] <cachio> or you can keep it in deferent stages if you want
[21:42]  * cachio afk


[04:25] <mup> PR operator#477 opened: Add custom pebble.Error subtypes for better error handling <Created by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/477>
[09:20] <LukeMarsden[m]> hey Ken>, could we have a call tomorrow at 3pm GMT so that we can kick off you guys working on the kubeflow side of the mlflow integration please? we are now publishing a relation as documented in <https://github.com/mlopsworks/charms/issues/3
[09:20] <LukeMarsden[m]> (edited) hey  Ken>, could we have a call tomorrow  at ... => hey  Emilio Granell>   at ...
[09:21] <LukeMarsden[m]> (edited) ... GMT    so ... => ... GMT  please   so ...
[09:46] <RuiVasconcelos[m> Hey Ken has an overlap. Can we delay by 1 hour?
[09:47] <LukeMarsden[m]> i have a conflict at 4pm GMT, any chance 3:30pm GMT works?
[09:47] <LukeMarsden[m]> or 30 mins earlier, 2:30pm GMT but I know that's early for Ken
[09:48] <LukeMarsden[m]> or Monday at 3pm or 4pm GMT is open
[10:01] <RuiVasconcelos[m> 3:30pm also doesn't work
[10:01] <RuiVasconcelos[m> Monday 3pm works for sure
[10:02] <LukeMarsden[m]> ok, updating 🙂
[21:51] <mup> PR operator#476 closed: Add support for time offset 'Z' (UTC) in pebble._parse_timestamp <Created by benhoyt> <Merged by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/476>


[15:39] <realtime-neil> cjwatson: I can't find any `Task` field in the `/var/lib/dpkg/status` paragraphs, but I did notice that `grep-dctrl -FPriority "important" /var/lib/dpkg/status` gives me a list of 106 pretty important-looking packages.
[15:41] <cjwatson> You'll need Priority: required too
[15:41] <cjwatson> But I can't help much more here, in the middle of some upgrade firefighting
[15:47] <realtime-neil> understood, see you on the other side
[21:10] <realtime-neil> update: here's what I got working: `debootstrap --print-debs --variant=minbase bionic "$(mktemp -dt target.XXXXXX)" | xargs dpkg --status >./fake/var/lib/dpkg/status`


[16:08] <zleap> hi
[16:08] <zleap> phillw, thats for the heads up on that website for duplication
[16:33] <zleap> hi
[16:33] <zleap> phillw, thats for the heads up on that website for duplication
[18:05] <lapt0p> How to change resolution on Lubuntu 13.04 ?
[18:13] <ianorlin> monitor settings in prefrences on menu
[20:14] <UserError> is lxde QT usable yet?


[12:28] <Guest56076> hi , where can i find an explanation of all the applications included ?
[17:07] <Guest55906> hi, can someone help me how to change the rt-limit for jack? im new.. thx
[17:07] <holstein> Guest55906: sure.. you shouldnt have to set anything like that, in ubuntustudio
[17:07] <holstein> Guest55906: are you trying to address latency? or, reading a guide?
[20:30] <Leo__> Hi. I want to ask a little question regarding Ubuntu and Ubuntu Studio
[20:31] <Leo__> I wanted to convert a vanilla install of Ubuntu or Linux Mint into Ubuntu Studio, so I created this script: https://rhythmtreble.wordpress.com/2014/07/24/use-linux-mint-17-as-ubuntu-studio/
[20:31] <Leo__> I don't know if I miss something from Ubuntu Studio to install
[20:33] <Leo__> I read the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ubuntu%20Studio%20Upgrade%20from%20Ubuntu and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation But they are outdated
[20:34] <Leo__> If any developer of Ubuntu Studio could answer, I would appreciate it :)
[21:19] <Leo__> Nobody?


[00:09] <tonyyarusso> thanks for the edit LjL
[00:16] <PriceChild> nalioth, did you get the cloak request from earlier btw?
[00:16] <LjL> at least the alphabetical order means you don't have to hunt for the US ;)
[00:18] <tonyyarusso> hehe, true
[00:23] <nalioth> PriceChild: how much earlier?
[00:24] <PriceChild> neversfelde i think...
[00:24] <PriceChild> yes
[00:24] <PriceChild> 14:48 utc
[00:27] <ubotu> credible called the ops in #ubuntu (buttbot-mini)
[00:28]  * LjL chuckles
[00:28] <LjL> perhaps i shouldn't but i do
[00:30] <PriceChild> How long have they spent on that? for seconds of fun.... was it worth it?
[00:30] <PriceChild> hehe I think so
[01:15] <LjL> mneptok: ... why?
[01:15] <mneptok> LjL: i asked him nicely a few times to throttle back a bit
[01:15] <nalioth> mneptok: yes, WHY?
[01:15]  * nalioth wishes mneptok would quit disconnecting him
[01:16] <mneptok> LjL: the consistent stream of nothing but "i like ponies" and "sequins are shiny" and "GUY FAWKES IS PROTESTING OUTSIDE MY HOUSE" got to be a bit much
[01:16] <LjL> uhm yeah i see you asked a few times
[01:16] <LjL> but... that's what *everybody* does in there all the time
[01:17] <mneptok> LjL: and they need to learn to dial it back when asked nicely.
[01:17] <mneptok> (IMO)
[01:17] <mneptok> 20:15 [msg(recon)] when i asl you to throttle back the random comments, please do so.
[01:17] <mneptok> 20:15 [recon(n=recon@unaffiliated/recon)] also, i wouldn't define my ramblings as "non sequitur"s, per se, since the (obviously fictional)  premises would lead logically to the conclusion if the first, impossible premises existed.
[01:17] <mneptok> 20:15 [recon(n=recon@unaffiliated/recon)] oh. i'll come back in a few when i find my sanity.'
[01:17] <PriceChild> I'm amazed no-one batted an eyelid in there.
[01:18] <PriceChild> people normally shout and scream whether they agree or not
[01:18] <LjL> PriceChild: well, some of them might have learnt that gets them banned
[01:24] <mneptok> let's see if a time-out and a juice box got him settled
[01:26] <LjL> mneptok: if you think he should stay banned a little longer leave him banned though, i didn't intend to urge lifting. and i didn't notice he was so stubborn at keeping to mock you either
[01:27] <LjL> (and you've removed the wrong ban)
[01:28] <mneptok> i did?
[01:29] <LjL> yeah you added a ]
[01:29] <mneptok> munh
[01:29] <mneptok> there we go.
[01:29] <mneptok> thanks. my fingers seem to be protesting Kosovan independence or something.
[01:35] <LjL> ahum
[01:35] <LjL> this weird "vlt" in #ubuntu, who's jesting with "pingu", appears to be on a host that google somehow connects to Tor
[01:58] <mysterioso> mneptok oookkkk
[01:58] <mysterioso> oh hey
[01:58] <mneptok> what, exactly, about "do not repeat" was unclear?
[01:58] <mysterioso> mneptok ummmmm the ""
[01:58] <mysterioso> ?
[01:58] <mysterioso> ill be good
[01:58] <mysterioso> i promise
[01:58] <mysterioso> lemme back in
[01:59] <mysterioso> waddya say?
[01:59] <mneptok> i'll reconsider in 24 hours
[01:59] <mysterioso> nnnoooooooo
[02:00] <mysterioso> i just have 1 question
[02:00] <mneptok> trust me, we all know what it is.
[02:00] <mysterioso> :-)
[02:00] <mysterioso> ok
[02:00]  * nalioth waits in anticipation . . .
[02:00] <mysterioso> well ill just post it ONE more time and sit quietly with my hands crossed
[02:00] <mneptok> 20:49 < mysterioso> is there a way to have a terminal go fullscreen on the startup?  It already opens on startup, but is not full screen
[02:00] <mneptok> 20:50 < mysterioso> is there a way to have a terminal go fullscreen on the startup?  It already opens on startup, but is not full screen
[02:01] <mysterioso> pplleeeeaaaassseee
[02:01] <mneptok> 20:51 < mysterioso> is there a way to have a terminal go fullscreen on the startup?  It already opens on startup, but is not full screen
[02:01] <mneptok> 20:52 < mysterioso> is there a way to have a terminal go fullscreen on the startup?  It already opens on startup, but is not full screen
[02:01] <mneptok> 20:53 < mysterioso> is there a way to have a terminal go fullscreen on the startup?  It already opens on startup, but is not full screen
[02:01] <mneptok> 20:54 < mysterioso> is there a way to have a terminal go fullscreen on the startup?  It already opens on startup, but is not full screen
[02:01] <mneptok> 20:54 < mahmoud2> !repeat | mysterioso
[02:01] <mneptok> 20:54 < ubotu> mysterioso: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You  can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[02:01] <mneptok> 20:55 < mysterioso> is there a way to have a terminal go fullscreen on the startup?  It already opens on startup, but is not full screen
[02:01] <mneptok> asking the same question *every single minute* is uncool. and now you're banned for it. next time the bot gives you advice, i suggest you take it.
[02:01] <mysterioso> c'mon!
[02:02] <mysterioso> i have learned my lesson
[02:02] <mysterioso> im uncool
[02:02] <mysterioso> im a loser
[02:02] <mysterioso> im not worthy
[02:02] <PriceChild> !guidelines | mysterioso
[02:02] <ubotu> mysterioso: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[02:02] <PriceChild> mysterioso, read those then come back in a day or two.
[02:02] <mysterioso> ill just sit and wait and post once every 10 min.
[02:02] <PriceChild> No you won't.
[02:02] <mneptok> i rather doubt that.
[02:04] <mysterioso> guys
[02:05] <mysterioso> your pretty tuf
[02:05] <mysterioso> good work
[02:05] <PriceChild> Hey mysterioso, can I help you?
[02:05] <mysterioso> yes please
[02:05]  * PriceChild wonders what is with the alt nick.
[02:05] <mysterioso> pricechild can i ask an ubuntu question here?
[02:05] <PriceChild> mysterioso, no. Please type /topic
[02:06] <band4life> :-)
[02:06] <elkbuntu> mysterioso, we only need one of you
[02:06] <band4life> i was tryin to be sneaky and get in
[02:06]  * mneptok hands elkbuntu an "n"
[02:06] <PriceChild> band4life, the ban i placed was a mute.
[02:06] <elkbuntu> mneptok, for what?
[02:06] <PriceChild> band4life, it would not stop you joining, only speaking.
[02:07] <mneptok> elkbuntu: that "one" you typed
[02:07] <elkbuntu> mneptok, heh
[02:07] <band4life> every time i try to join, it puts me here
[02:07] <PriceChild> band4life, please /msg ubotu guidelines, read it, then come back in a couple of days.
[02:08] <band4life> pricechild i read it.  i was bein impatient
[02:08] <band4life> and i read !patience
[02:08] <LjL> venus days
[02:08] <PriceChild> band4life, read the second part of my last sentence
[02:08] <band4life> everyones a comedian
[02:08] <band4life> how about 1 day
[02:08] <band4life> 2 is just harsh
[02:08] <PriceChild> band4life, tbh I don't care. I just want to see a change in attitude.
[02:08] <LjL> yes, 1 venus day
[02:09] <band4life> ya know, my dads a senator
[02:09] <band4life> barach obamah
[02:09] <band4life> yep
[02:10] <mneptok> i *so* love when my judgement calls /join here immediately and prove me right.
[02:10] <PriceChild> mneptok, :)
[02:10] <PriceChild> does it make you feel warm inside?..... oh wait no i don't want to know what that is
[02:10] <mneptok> this does - http://flickr.com/photos/sepultura/2282088722/
[02:11] <mneptok> I AM RISEN!
[02:11] <nalioth> stdin: don't feed the trolls, please
[02:11] <stdin> nalioth: I know, you're right
[02:11] <elkbuntu> mneptok, holy glory hole, rofl
 has been on my watch list lately, bit too enthusiastic occasionally, especially with the bot
[02:14] <LjL> PriceChild: then i'll leave him on yours, mine's way too crowded already :P
[02:34] <mysterioso> How do I start a room and make it MY room?
[02:34] <mysterioso> so I can be an OP
[02:34] <nalioth> mysterioso: this is not for support
[02:34] <mysterioso> oh
[02:35] <mysterioso> what room should I go to to find out?
[02:35] <mysterioso> what is this room for?
[02:36] <nalioth> mysterioso: this is for administrative stuff
[02:36] <nalioth> and where you go is up to you
[02:36] <mysterioso> nalioth i just need a hint
[02:36] <mysterioso> channel for help starting channels?
[02:38] <nalioth> every network has a help channel
[02:38] <mysterioso> uhhuh ok thanks
[02:43] <mneptok> looks like Greg is finally ready to move to the attic
[02:44] <PriceChild> that guy is constantly asking me how the ban is set etc.
[02:44] <PriceChild> because he doesn't want to evade it
[02:44] <PriceChild> if he used a different wireless? etc. etc
[02:58] <LjL> mysterioso: can we help you again?
[02:59] <mysterioso> ljl sorry just went into the wrong room
[03:00] <mysterioso> talk to you tomorrow to beg for mercy
[03:02] <nalioth> no0tic: please don't encourage the behaviour
[03:03] <no0tic> nalioth, sorry
[03:03] <LjL> he what?
[03:04] <LjL> ah
[03:06] <nalioth> no0tic: do you want to help him on his way, before i break several guidelines?
[03:07] <no0tic> nalioth, point him to #freenode?
[03:07] <nalioth> no0tic: #help preferably
[03:07] <nalioth> by that name, too
[03:09] <LjL> grrrr
[03:10] <nalioth> y'all watching #freenode ?
[03:10] <mneptok> not i. should i be?
[03:11] <LjL> tis fun enough
[03:11] <nalioth> mneptok: PM
[03:13] <LjL> look, a mass join
[03:13] <elkbuntu> what did i miss?
[03:13] <LjL> elkbuntu: the above idiot aka mysterioso asking how to evade his ban
[03:13] <elkbuntu> rofl
[03:13] <nickrud> o.O
[03:14] <elkbuntu> complimentary k-ticket flicked his way yet
[03:14] <elkbuntu> ?
[03:14] <LjL> oh gawd, PM: [04:14:15] <mysterioso> I feel like you are being somewhat abusive torwards me.  And although I did deserve the ban, I do not think that I should be mistreated just for seeking out some fairly illicit knowledge.
[03:14] <elkbuntu> he already admitted to attempting to ban evade
[03:17] <nalioth> LOLZ!
[03:18] <no0tic> there's circus this night in town
[03:24] <nalioth> mneptok: please stay on topic in #freenode
[03:24] <mneptok> nalioth: i think i need to walk away for bit.
[03:24] <mneptok> just .... walk away.
[03:26] <elkbuntu> you have been assisted
[03:26] <nickrud> bada boom
[03:29] <elkbuntu> unagi once again shows his intelligence...or lack thereof
[03:31] <mneptok> so nalioth, just out of curiosity, how does my conduct warrant a ban, but mysterioso's does not?
[03:31] <nalioth> mneptok: you are stirring stuff
[03:32] <LjL> i have long been aware that feeding trolls is regarded badly on #freenode
[03:32] <LjL> i do it anyway, but usually stop after staff asks ;)
[03:32] <mneptok> i'm not feeding.
[03:33] <LjL> not ignoring is feeding under certain definitions
[03:33] <nalioth> mneptok: it was only a 10 minute quiet (you were supposed to take 10 to walk the dog or something)
[03:33] <mneptok> then please don't ask me if i'm watching a conversation? i mean, that's a bit unfair.
[03:34] <nalioth> oy
[03:34]  * nalioth sees a train a'comin'
[03:34] <elkbuntu> nalioth, you'd subject a poor pup to mneptok?!
[03:35] <ubotu> In ubotu, matthias said: how is ubuntu 6.06 better than 7.10 ?
[03:35] <nalioth> ubotu: tell matthias about yourself
[03:48] <elkbuntu> ok, who gave the red cordial to the kids
[03:48]  * Hobbsee raises hand
[03:50] <elkbuntu> bad Hobbsee, bad
[03:50]  * Hobbsee looks innocent
[05:09] <elkbuntu> nalioth, is keeb a regular troll?
[05:13] <elkbuntu> nalioth, are keeb and _oz_ a known tag team?
[05:16] <nalioth> not to my knowledge
[09:36] <warp10> Hi all!
[09:37] <Myrtti> hello
[09:37] <Myrtti> how can we help you today
[09:37] <warp10> Is there anybody here that can add me to the ubuntu-irc-cloaks team?
[09:37] <warp10> Hi Myrtti!
[09:37] <Myrtti> _o_
[10:29] <Mez> Q: How mnay channels is ubotu in ?
[10:31] <jpatrick> Mez: as many as you (set +i mate)
[10:31] <jpatrick> :)
[10:31] <Mez> jpatrick, lmao - I thought I did ...
[10:32] <Mez> I'm just curious as to how mnay channels it's actively providing factoids in
[10:32] <jpatrick> Mez: /set usermode +i - just to make irssi does everytime
[10:32] <jpatrick> sure*
[10:32] <Mez> jpatrick, I dont use irssi
[10:32] <jpatrick> ah..
[10:33]  * Mez sets mode +iQw
[10:33] <Mez> should be in my connect script
[10:33] <jpatrick> what's Q?
[10:33] <Mez> Q is er
[10:33] <Mez> you never get forwarded
[10:34] <jpatrick> ...
[10:34] <Mez> meh - It basically means that if you hit a channel that trys to foward you, you get an error, rather than being forwarded
[10:35] <dgjones> Hi, just a quick question, are bots allowed in #ubuntu, I remember seeing bots being kicked in the past & just noticed an away message which mentioned the user being a bot - 10:28 xoRock - * xoRock status: [Away: BOT was idle for 60 minute(s) Auto Away] [Since: 17:30-LMJ] [AwayPager: on] [AwayLog: on], just thought I'd mention
[10:35] <Myrtti> bitchx
[10:35] <Myrtti> blergh
[10:36] <tonyyarusso> dgjones: There are a select few that have approval, but generally speaking, no.
[10:36] <tonyyarusso> dgjones: Especially, if they are talking bots they and their owners will be banned in short order, with the exception of ubotu of course.
[10:37] <tonyyarusso> dgjones: We just don't notice 100% of the time ;)
[10:37] <dgjones> ok thanks, that was what i thought, just thought it worth passing that on
[10:41] <jpatrick> Mez: I thought all the debian channels were on OFTC
[10:41] <Mez> mentors stayed here, as did the people in -offtopic
[10:42] <Mez> the others - meh - relics of past, but sometimes it's useful to be in them
[10:42] <jpatrick> #debian-mentors is on OFTC :)
[10:47] <tonyyarusso> It seems to me that #debian exists just to be a channel where you can be guaranteed to be told to RTFM, and be told that Ubuntu bears no similarity to Debian in any way.
[11:54] <warp10> I would like to request an Ubuntu cloak. Is there anyone who may help me?
[12:02] <tonyyarusso> not at this hour, I'm afraid
[12:03] <warp10> tonyyarusso: could (late) evening be a better choice?
[12:04] <tonyyarusso> warp10: I'd say try again in 6 hours, whatever time zone that is for you.  Or just idle your client here and see if someone notices while you're away.
[12:04] <tonyyarusso> warp10: Granted membership at yesterday's CC meeting I take it?
[12:06] <warp10> tonyyarusso: thanks for your advice. Yep, I am a recent member :)
[12:06] <tonyyarusso> warp10: You may want to drop a link to your LP profile in here too.  You might have to wait until the CC adds you to the ubuntu-members LP group, btw.  (can take a few days)
[12:08] <warp10> I have been added to the LP group a few hours ago (pretty fast, indeed) -> https://launchpad.net/~warp10/
[12:21] <tonyyarusso> nice
[14:20] <jpatrick> poor nalioth :(
[14:30] <Pici> LjL: Have you made any recent changes to the floodbots? They just set -zb on someone who was flooding.
[14:30] <Pici> LjL: 09:28:32 >>>> mode/#ubuntu [-zb %Jonathan_L!*@*] by FloodBot1, FloodBot2
[14:43] <Pici> Ah..: 09:28:22 <FloodBot1> WARNING: Jonathan_L floods, but emergency mode is on
[14:44] <jpatrick> emergency mode?
[14:45] <Pici> Yeah, shouldn't be perpetually on though.
[14:47] <jpatrick> what is it tho?
[14:47] <Pici> One of the floodbots is on nal's connection so its probably triggering that when it times out.
[14:56] <Tm_T> nalioth: hi, ubot3 is where?
[14:57] <jpatrick> Tm_T: network problems from his connection I think
[14:57] <Tm_T> jpatrick: roger
[14:57] <jpatrick> Tm_T: DaSkreech not here..
[15:25] <nalioth> Tm_T: i have a tech coming out any time now
[15:25] <nalioth> having line issues
[15:34] <LjL> Pici: if a bot is out, emergency mode stays on
[15:35] <Pici> LjL: I gathered that after actually taking a look.
[15:36] <Pici> LjL: Also, the bots seem to be allowing more paste lines before muting lately
[15:36] <LjL> Pici: the intention originally was to not have permanent emergency mode if *only* one bot went out... but given that two of the bots are on the same connection, i think it's wiser this way
[15:36] <LjL> Pici: there's some bug in the paste detection that i haven't been able to track down... sometimes they ignore pastes completely. do you have an example?
[15:37] <Pici> LjL: Just now 8 lines before it did anything
[15:38] <LjL> Pici: that might have been lag
[15:40] <LjL> not sure, it's hard to debug since i don't store the lines or their timestamps
[15:40] <LjL> (and would rather not start storing them if i care for my hard drive space)
[15:56] <warp10> I would like to request an Ubuntu cloak. Is there anyone who may help me?
[15:57] <Pici> warp10: Are you an approved Ubuntu Member?
[15:57] <Pici> /kubuntu/motu(er, I think(
[15:57] <LjL> approved yesterday
[15:58] <Pici> Or rather, whats your LP page?
[15:58] <warp10> Pici: I am. I have been approved at yesterday's CC, and approved into the team today --> https://launchpad.net/~warp10/
[15:58] <Pici> warp10: ah, congrats :)
[15:58] <warp10> Pici: thank you :)
[15:58] <LjL> warp10: ensure you have an alternate nickname set up and linked to your primary one, and an email (you can set it as hidden)
[15:58] <Pici> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
[15:59] <warp10> I should have... let me check
[16:00] <Pici> I think I'll work on my bantracker fork this weekend... I'm going to be stuck at work for at least 4 hours in the middle of the night with nothing to do.
[16:01] <LjL> Pici: like i am every night?
[16:01] <warp10> LjL, Pici: Ok, done
[16:02] <Pici> LjL: Nah, I need to go in from 00:00 to 04:00 because one of our vendors is moving their datacenter and I need to point our interfaces at the new IP addresses.
[16:03] <LjL> warp10: you will be cloaked shortly
[16:03] <warp10> LjL: great! Thank you so much :)
[16:30] <nalioth> curiousity'll get you a kline sometimes, Pici
[16:32] <Pici> nalioth: roger that
[16:47] <nalioth> Pici: if you join a channel with a bot problem while the staff is cleaning up, it can get fun (not)
[16:48] <Pici> nalioth: Yeah... Like they say... curiosity killed the cat.
[16:59]  * jpatrick wonders what a d-line is
[16:59] <mysterioso> May I please be allowed to return to #ubuntu?
[17:00] <mysterioso> I am in the channel right now, but I am not trying to evade your ban.
[17:02] <mysterioso> nickrud am I still banned?
[17:04] <nickrud> mysterioso: not sure, I don't have access to the ban list (and the channel ban list is bloated)
[17:08] <mysterioso> nickrud I dont want to evade the ban and get kicked for good.  But Im in the #ubuntu channel right now.
[17:08] <mysterioso> Can anyone tell me if Im banned?
[17:08] <Huffalump> I set to 8001.  I'm here to ask for the manual test.
[17:08] <Pici> mysterioso: I'm looking.
[17:09] <nickrud> mysterioso: asking here is the right thing to do, someone will be along
[17:09] <nickrud> quickly, even
[17:09] <Pici> Huffalump: Please read the topic in #ubuntu-read-topic again.
[17:11] <Huffalump> Thanks.  I see.
[17:12] <mysterioso> pici i think i am currently under a different IP
[17:12] <Pici> mysterioso: You have not been unbanned.
[17:12] <mysterioso> pici may I please be unbanned?
[17:15] <Pici> mysterioso: I don't feel comfortable removing or dealing with the ban without knowing more about the situation.
[17:15] <Pici> LjL: ping? ^
[17:15] <mysterioso> pici I could tell you all about it
[17:15] <Pici> I'd rather another op who is more familiar with the situation take a look at it.
[17:15] <nalioth> mysterioso: please wait for LjL
[17:16] <mysterioso> ok
[17:23] <mysterioso> ljl what do you think?
[17:24] <jpatrick> mysterioso: please wait for him to come back :)
[17:25] <mysterioso> jpatrick ok
[17:25] <mysterioso> mysterioso  waiting patiently
[17:40] <nalioth> ubotu: tell mysterioso about msg
[17:40] <nalioth> mysterioso: please be patient
[17:48] <warp10> Is there a freenode staffer that may enable my Ubuntu cloak, please?
[17:50] <jussi01> oooh, that would be a nalioth :)
[17:54]  * warp10 thanks the good soul who enabled the cloak :)
[17:56] <mysterioso> soooo, about that ban.
[17:56] <no0tic> mysterioso, wait for LjL, as said before.
[17:57] <mysterioso> can I leave a message for LjL, I am leaving soon?
[18:00] <stdin> I'm sure he'll read the backscroll anyway
[18:01] <LjL> here i am
[18:01] <jpatrick> hey stdin
[18:01] <mysterioso> ljl good to see ya again!
[18:01]  * stdin tips proverbial hat to jpatrick
[18:02] <LjL> mysterioso: what is the question?
[18:02] <mysterioso> ljl may I please be unbanned?
[18:02] <LjL> mysterioso: no
[18:02] <mysterioso> ...
[18:02] <mysterioso> ljl when can I be?
[18:03] <LjL> there is no fixed time, but given the way you behaved yesterday, i'd say noticeably longer than a couple of days.
[18:04] <mysterioso> all i did was repost once a min.
[18:04] <LjL> i'm not talking about what you did in #ubuntu
[18:04] <mysterioso> the only reason I asked about evading was so i didnt do it.  like today when I switched wireless, and entered #ubuntu.  If I hadnt asked I wouldnt have known I was doing it.
[18:05] <mysterioso> so I came here and explained i did not mean to enter.
[18:05] <Pici> LjL: I set a ban for that fyi.
[18:05] <mysterioso> I think that you are being unfair.
[18:06] <LjL> mysterioso: you asked *how* to evade, and plainly stated that you *would* do it. also, you were pretty absurd in here even before that. really, you're not fooling anyone.
[18:06] <mysterioso> ljl not fooling?  So when I came in here and told you that I switched i.p.s and did not use #ubuntu I was fooling you?
[18:07] <mysterioso> I did not say I WOULD do it.
[18:07] <mysterioso> I asked HOW to do it
[18:07] <nalioth> mysterioso: would you like to see the logs?
[18:07] <LjL> mysterioso: that might be interpreted as a way to show us that you are able to evade. anyway, that's not the point, the point is that we have every reason to believe you were trolling us and are trolling us
[18:07] <mysterioso> if you gottem
[18:08] <band4life> thanks guys.
[18:08] <LjL> yes, that's a good grep keyword to use for the logs
[18:08] <nalioth> mysterioso, why are you trying to evade? you're not banned
[18:09] <band4life> nalioth i am banned from #ubuntu
[18:09] <band4life> and I am not trying to evade.
[18:09] <LjL> then why did you just change your nickname?
[18:09] <band4life> I use diff. wireless routers
[18:09] <band4life> ljl i thought this nick was more appropriate
[18:10] <LjL> you won't be appropriate no matter which nick you use, believe me
[18:10] <band4life> ljl have I not been polite?
[18:10] <LjL> no
[18:11] <LjL> about the logs
[18:11] <LjL> [Fri Feb 22 2008] [04:09:52] <nalioth>  mysterioso: your ban will not be removed by bringing it up here, either
[18:11] <LjL> [Fri Feb 22 2008] [04:10:06] <mysterioso>       nalioth im not trying to remove it
[18:11] <LjL> [Fri Feb 22 2008] [04:10:09] <mysterioso>       just get aroung it
[18:11] <LjL> here is your admission that you were trying to evade
[18:11] <LjL> fooling us by later lying about it is not polite.
[18:11] <band4life> ljl miscommunication, I was just seeking information to "just get around it"
[18:12] <LjL> [Fri Feb 22 2008] [03:08:55] <PriceChild>       band4life, tbh I don't care. I just want to see a change in attitude.
[18:12] <LjL> [Fri Feb 22 2008] [03:09:14] <band4life>        ya know, my dads a senator
[18:12] <LjL> [Fri Feb 22 2008] [03:09:21] <band4life>        barach obamah
[18:12] <LjL> lying to us with an intent to make us afraid of some scary personality is not polite.
[18:13] <mc44> you'd have though he could spell his Dad's name correctly
[18:14] <LjL> band4life, do you have any further questions?
[18:15] <band4lif1> sorry, got disconnected
[18:15] <LjL> band4life, do you have any further questions?
[18:15] <nalioth> band4life: you are violating freenode TOS, btw
[18:15] <band4lif1> if you do not intend to lift the ban that is your deal.  I believe you are being mean and unfair.  I will return tomorrow to try again.
[18:16] <LjL> off the record, if there is such thing... that will only make your ban longer.
[18:16] <LjL> but, what you prefer.
[18:16] <ompaul> banned for life?
[18:16] <ompaul> band4lif1, I strongly suggest you understand what the freenode TOS are
[18:16]  * ompaul walked in a moment ago
[18:16] <band4lif1> ompaul what ?
[18:16] <band4lif1> ljl what will make my ban longer?
[18:17] <ompaul> you have been informed that freenode have terms of service
[18:17] <LjL> band4lif1: coming in each day to ask about it, when you've plainly been told it won't be lifted in one day.
[18:17] <nalioth> band4life: you returning each day to poke us over it
[18:17]  * ompaul wonders what is going on
[18:17] <ompaul> but aywa
[18:17] <ompaul> anyway
[18:17] <band4lif1> ljl when should I return?
[18:18] <band4lif1> ompaul what are the TOs?
[18:18] <LjL> band4lif1: http://freenode.net
[18:18] <LjL> band4lif1: i suggest, at this point, you return in about a month.
[18:19] <band4lif1> ljl ok 1 month it is,   you are just power tripin
[18:19] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[18:20] <ompaul> Myrtti, don't sigh have a hug in its palce
[18:20] <jussi01> right...
[18:20] <ompaul> place even
[18:20] <ompaul> jussi01, thanks ;-)
[18:21]  * ompaul did a huge amount of travelling for someone in Dublin on a Friday Afternoon - and did not pay any traffic penalty -- so strange
[18:21] <ompaul> there was none for me the opposite direction was bad
[18:21] <ompaul> *not my usual route*
[18:21] <jussi01> ompaul: :)
[18:22] <Myrtti> /me is listening to the soundtrack of The Commitments
[18:22] <ompaul> I called into a supplier - had said I would last week - but things went against me - so while we were talking I made them some bootable iso sticks
[18:22] <ompaul> strange - very very strange
[18:23] <Pici> Myrtti: ooh.. I was thinking of finding that the other day
[18:23] <ompaul> Myrtti, I have that CD beside me here
[18:23] <Myrtti> Mine was shipped today
[18:46] <Jack_Sparrow> Hope you guys and gals are all doing well, I expect to be up to speed in a week or two..
[18:59] <jpatrick> @btlog
[19:00] <stdin> +in
[19:00] <jussi01> hehe
[19:00] <jpatrick> :)
[19:05] <LjL> !paste
[19:05] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[19:06] <LjL> !no pastebin is a service to post multiple-lines texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[19:06] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[19:16] <jussi01> hmmm, bandforlif1 just turned up in #kubuntu
[19:16] <LjL> he's been there before yeah
[19:17] <jussi01> ahh, ok.
[19:18] <Pici> !no pastebin =~ s/lines texts/lined text/
[19:18] <ubotu> I know nothing about pastebin =~ s/lines texts/lined text yet, Pici
[19:18] <Pici> bah
[19:19] <jussi01> LjL: yeah, after the previous discussion, I thought it was relevant to mention
[19:19] <LjL> jussi01: got him on highlight. but surely, ban if misbehaving without thinking about it twice...
[19:20] <jussi01> LjL: sure
[19:20] <jpatrick> he's in #ubuntu-irc
[19:21] <jpatrick> ok, he was, read the channel too fast
[19:22]  * jpatrick wonders why many people have: "ircname : purple"
[19:22] <Pici> jpatrick: pidgin
[19:22] <jpatrick> ah, that explains it
[19:25] <stdin> LjL: how about ~= s/#ubuntu/$chan/ so we can remove !pastebin-#kubuntu ?
[19:26] <Pici> s/#ubuntu//
[19:26] <stdin> heh, yes, that works too :)
[19:28] <jpatrick> ARG
[19:28]  * jpatrick just did /bans in #k
[19:30] <jpatrick> anyone mind if I remove ardchoille's bans? Since he's no longer around?
[19:34] <nalioth> jpatrick: go for it
[19:44] <jpatrick> here goes
[19:47] <jpatrick> err
[19:47] <jpatrick> mode/#kubuntu [-bbbb<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:47] <jpatrick> opps, my mistake :)
[19:48] <jpatrick> thought so I just unbanned went straight back in
[19:56] <ubotu> In ubotu, nickrud said: no metapackage is  A meta-package is a package that simply depends upon other packages and brings them in. It's not a real package, but a very useful package that can drag in other package versions. Removing a metapackage does not remove the packages it brought in.
[19:57] <jpatrick> !metapackage
[19:57] <ubotu> A meta-package is a package that simply depends upon other packages and brings them in. It's not a real package, but a very useful package that can drag in other package versions.
[20:38] <LjL> well, as long as it actually is in the topic... i think i put "#ubuntu" there originally because people complained it wasn't in the topic at all in some other channels
[20:38] <LjL> !no pastebin is a service to post multiple-lines texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[20:38] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[20:51] <Seveas> just got this in pm:
 What kitofhawaii said about me last month was lies.
[20:51] <Seveas> what did I miss?
[20:54] <nalioth> Seveas: it's all in the channel logs here
[20:55] <nalioth> Seveas: also check out the same person in the logs of -offtopic
[20:55] <Seveas> nalioth, I know kahrytan is a jerk :)
[20:58] <nalioth> Seveas: yes, but you should /lastlog it anyway
[21:03] <stdin> I got that same pm yesterday
 now I understand why the peopl;e you dealt with with your old host, didnt get along with you :)
 no wonder they gotg rid off you :P
 im going to ring you soon, on on +31 252 353 46
 and all my friends wil be rining you using a special phone dialer
 you will start receiving phone calls 24/7 soon on on +31 252 353 46
 bye bye :)
[21:05] <Seveas> someone kick that loser from forums and -au
[21:06] <jpatrick> elkbuntu: around^^?
[21:06]  * mc44 orders some pizza from Seveas
 I am goinjg to personally ring +31(0)20 712 5600 and tell them you are involved in illegal activities
 your employer will be interested in what I have to say to them :-)
[21:07] <Seveas> interesting, where did he get that from
[21:07] <Seveas> he must be actually trying to find things :)
 bye, have a nice day asshole
[21:07] <jpatrick> Seveas: website registery?
[21:08] <Seveas> jpatrick, neh, work phone number isn't on there
[21:08] <Seveas> must have found my blog, followed link to work homepage and search for contact
[21:08] <TheSheep> some people are bored
[21:08] <ompaul> will I invite that fool here?
[21:09] <Seveas> why on earth?
[21:09] <Myrtti> I pity the fool
[21:09] <ompaul> to pity them
[21:09] <Seveas> neh, just ignore
[21:10]  * ompaul is re ripping my full collection - never did get it right the second time - start from the beginning
[21:10] <ompaul> ohh the fun
[21:10] <TheSheep> .oO( 2nd system syndrome )
[21:10] <ompaul> har har
[21:12] <ompaul> nada3, you can go and change your real name you
[21:12] <ompaul> can
[21:13] <ompaul> where is pricey
[21:13] <ompaul> PriceChild, ping
[21:13] <jpatrick> that guy needs to change he's ident
[21:13] <ompaul> jpatrick, well I lied to him ....
[21:13] <ompaul> let him work it out himself
[21:14] <Seveas> hmm, I still haven't received a phonecall... geee... haw can that be...
[21:14] <Seveas> I can throw 281 fax lines back at him, I want his number :)
[21:14] <mc44> I'm just routing a chatline to you, Seveas
[21:14] <ompaul> hahaha
[21:15] <Seveas> err, 278, not 281
[21:15] <mc44> the last three make all the difference
[21:15] <ompaul> Seveas, one fax for him and one fax for each of his pals and you will have 275 left
[21:15] <Seveas> well, I might be able to grab some voice lines as well
[21:15] <Seveas> ompaul, :)
[21:16] <Seveas> hmm, I forgot 38 faxlines..
[21:16] <Seveas> he can make some more friends now :)
[21:16] <ompaul> Seveas, you got to do something about that faulty ram in your head
[21:16] <ompaul> you got dodgy memory
[21:16] <Seveas> ompaul, yeah, sleep
[21:17] <Seveas> sadly some fuckers pretending to be from qatar decided to ddos us a few times this week
[21:17] <Seveas> causing headaches
[21:26] <elkbuntu> maybe you should set them onto johnny2008
[21:31] <ompaul> we moved to his IP ;-)
[21:31] <ompaul> hehe
[21:33] <LjL> Seveas, obviously you've tried to make him repeat that on a channel?
 Seveas, just letting you know... your real name and your employers address and phone number is being advertised on a myspace website urging ppl to call your boss about some illegal activity you doing.
 you must have pissed the wrong guy off dude
[23:11] <Seveas> still going :)
[23:11] <jpatrick> ...
[23:12] <Seveas> trying to 'disguise' by changing nick/ident/realname
[23:12] <Seveas> but of course forgot IP address
[23:20] <Seeker`> Seveas: Can't you get him K-lined for threatening you like that?
[23:21] <Seveas> Seeker`, neh, it happened before
[23:21] <Seveas> even if they actually start calling (which also happened) freenode won't k-line
[23:21] <Seeker`> :S
[23:21] <Seeker`> that sucks
[23:21] <Seveas> couldn't care less
[23:22] <jussi01> its entertainment :P
[23:22] <Seveas> If I cared, I shouldn't put my phonenumber on my website
[23:24] <PriceChild> I'm back, still want me? I assume for a removal in forums?
[23:26] <PriceChild> hmm last nicks don't show up there
[23:26] <jussi01> PriceChild: yeah, get rid of jdong :P
[23:48] <jussi01> !puregnome is <reply> If you want to remove all !KDE packages and have a default !Ubuntu system follow the instructions here << http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome >>
[23:51]  * jussi01 wonders why the bot doesnt forward requests anymore...
[23:51] <PriceChild> !puregnome
[23:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about puregnome - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:51] <PriceChild> how odd
[23:51] <jussi01> weird huh
[23:57]  * jussi01 wonders if PriceChild will be nice and add the factoid...


[13:26] <ogra_> we seem to have a troll in #ubuntu-bugs ... and the ops command only has outdated nics in it
[13:26] <ogra_> *nicks
[13:38] <ogra_> the "troll" is actually the "allah" bot ...
[13:38] <ogra_> chatter29> hey guys
 allah is doing
[13:38] <ogra_> ...
[13:38] <ogra_> it went quiet after a few lines though
[13:38] <ogra_> (but didnt leave)
[15:02] <Fuchs> ogra_: this one you can gladly report to staff next time
[15:02] <Fuchs> we'll gladly k-line it off
[15:03] <ogra_> Fuchs, well, the ops thing is still valid, we need to find new ops for this channel, nobody of the people on the list is around anymore ...
[15:04] <Fuchs> yes, definitely, just saying for the allah bot thingie
[15:05] <Fuchs> as *!*@freenode/staff/*  is on the list, we can jump in in case of emergencies
[15:10] <ogra_> ah, that staff ... k :)
[15:10] <ogra_> i thought you meant some ubuntu IRC team "staff"
[15:10] <ogra_> :)
[15:10] <Fuchs> ah, no, us freenode staff
[15:10] <Fuchs> that one is a bit of a network wide problem, so we remove it a bit from the network as a whole
[15:10] <ogra_> will keep that in mind next time :)
[20:23] <elky> ogra_: we can update the nicks list if we know who to put on there :)
[20:24] <ogra_> elky, hey, yeah, i pinged bdmurray who runs the ubuntu-bugs team on LP to actually appoint some people
[20:24] <ogra_> seems he isnt online today though ... probably made a long WE out of presidents day ... i'll try to catch him during the week though


[21:01] <dfch> so, does anyone have issues with pulseaudio with latest update? service doesn't start normally. killing the daemon with pulseaudio -k and starting it again with --start fixes the sound issue. just curious as in why the problem occures in the first place?


[01:52] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[02:48] <britho> Good day
[02:53] <lotuspsychje> welcome britho
[02:53] <britho> How are you doing @lotuspsychje
[02:58] <Oxfuxxx> Hey.
[02:59] <Oxfuxxx> Good morning.
[06:07] <ducasse> good morning
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> its popOs! day today
[14:55] <oerheks> yeah, funny issues, noticed them before..
[14:55] <oerheks> but most of them lie about pop_os
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> well i saw one dmesg with system_76 acpi today
[15:07] <oerheks> leftyfb_os looks like solid  ..
[15:08] <leftyfb> oerheks: they're clearly trolling
[15:09] <leftyfb> in response to us not supporting popos
[15:09] <oerheks> well, i read dns issues before about pop_os, so they(pop_os) must be aware of it
[15:10] <leftyfb> oerheks: I'm referring to Harlin
[15:11] <oerheks> oh, he too .. never heard of sparky L before.. it is debian based, they write
[15:12] <jeremy31> Ubuntu repos listed in the apt policy for base-files
[15:14] <leftyfb> jeremy31: with a priority of 100 for their dpkg and 500 for ubuntu. If they run normal updates it'll get overridden
[15:23] <jeremy31> But the updater needs the base-files to be correct for it to work
[15:24] <leftyfb> yeah, didn't think of that
[15:24] <jeremy31> I messed with one of those files to change what was in hexchats sysinfo and I could update until it was fixed
[15:24] <jeremy31> couldn't
[15:25] <leftyfb> either way, my thinking here is they actually did this on purpose to test/troll us.
[15:27] <leftyfb> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/GCS5Yqw62s/
[15:28] <leftyfb> also https://termbin.com/64fu , this person isn't completely oblivious
[15:31] <leftyfb> 2019 Jun 03 10:55:35 <Harlin>	It's been a while (since 2008ish) since I've fooled around with inetd/xinetd
[15:31] <leftyfb> i'll stop now, but it was more than likely intentional
[15:32] <oerheks> another one.. same troll ?
[17:39] <webchat18> Having networking issue with ubunut 20.04....suddenly I can connect to network...any clues?
[17:39] <webchat18> I am using NetworkManager with static IP
[17:43] <lotuspsychje> webchat18: you can ask that in the main support channel #ubuntu if you like


[04:31] <jthan> I remember back in the day when things here were poppin
[09:41] <JonathanD> Happy new year!
[10:35] <rmg51> liar
[14:48] <SamuraiAlba> good bacon to all!
[14:52]  * waltman is amazed that in 2012 he has to explain to his idiot brother the difference between vegetarian and vegan.
[15:01] <jedijf> just because of a little insect goo?
[15:03] <waltman> We're planning a birthday party for my mom's 75th birthday, and for some reason suggesting we have a non-meat dish has proved confusing.
[15:03] <waltman> "Grilled Salmon or Eggplant Rollatini - not sure if there are any non-meat eaters or vegans, but we should offer one just in case."
[15:05] <waltman> I tried to explain to him yesterday that "vegan" and "vegetarian" weren't synonyms, but he didn't get it.
[15:06] <passstab> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20120402
[15:06] <PennBot> Title: DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing.  I'm still skeptical.
[15:14] <SamuraiAlba> oooh
[15:14] <SamuraiAlba> Magic:The Gathering time.
[15:30] <jedijf> waltman: don't stress anyway, vegans are used to be odd people out and generally aren't trusting eaters when out anyway
[15:30] <passstab> jedijf, did you see that vinux thing?
[15:31] <jedijf> passstab: yeah, i crafted a response and then thought better not to respond because we are only sponsors, that email accomplished it's goal to the extent that we can promote it for tech week
[15:32] <jedijf> to our list
[15:32] <jedijf> if/when we have events, all are welcome to attend, and if it's that important to our members, they can self-promote
[15:33] <passstab> so we won't do anything?
[15:33] <jedijf> for example, at one release party, i had unr installed so people could play with it
[15:33] <passstab> ahh
[15:33] <jedijf> passstab: that email made no sense
[15:34] <passstab> i'm sorry
[15:34] <jedijf> not yours the blind one
[15:34] <passstab> oh
[15:34] <passstab> yea i agree
[15:34] <jedijf> a sensible response would have been, we, vinux, want to do a demo event for tech week at xyz on xyz at xyz time
[15:34] <passstab> he probably dosn't know what techweek is
[15:35] <jedijf> he should, vinux should have read it to him
[15:35] <passstab> ok but what WILL we do for TW?
[15:36] <jedijf> i haven't responded myself yet, waiting for others. see the problem? but anyway, i think promoting our later (week or 2) release party will better suit are needs
[15:37] <jedijf> my thinking is tech week attendees would rather use the week to see other things than ubuntu, even though they may have an interest. letting them know of an event later, when there aren't as many choices to split our crowd may be most benficial
[15:39] <jedijf> i keep looking thru the event schedule trying to find a day/time slot not to step on any allies toes
[15:40] <jedijf> just to do an 'informational' event
[15:40] <jedijf> feel free to do so and make suggestions
[15:41] <jedijf> we can do a hey meet Ubuntu LoCo team during week at Manayunk diner (for example)
[15:42] <jedijf> but again, with an upcoming Release event, we have to realize that people only have so much time to give to geek, and don't want to waste it
[15:42] <jedijf> me for example ^^^^
[15:44] <jedijf> hive music night is usually a good event
[15:46]  * rmg51 can no longer do weeknight events, he has to babysit his mom :'(
[15:48] <jedijf> and if we personally attend any events, Linux advocacy seems to happen automagically
[15:50] <jedijf> i would like to maybe setup a Core Kiosk on a lappy
[16:09] <passstab> intro to foss art?
[16:09] <passstab> that is gimp, audacity ,openshot...
[16:11] <passstab> core kiosk?
[16:12] <SamuraiAlba> selling my Dungeons and Dragons books...
[16:13] <SamuraiAlba> have an ORIGIANL DMG :)
[16:13] <SamuraiAlba> *Original
[16:13] <SamuraiAlba> dang keyboard
[16:13] <SamuraiAlba> Hi peeps!
[16:13] <SamuraiAlba> Saving up for more toys :)
[16:30] <SamuraiAlba> Hiya, Mutu
[16:31] <MutantTurkey> hey
[16:31] <SamuraiAlba> Got suckered back into the mess..
[16:31] <SamuraiAlba> Magic:The Gathering
[16:31] <SamuraiAlba> :O
[16:31] <MutantTurkey> oh man
[16:32] <SamuraiAlba> Just flipped $40 in 2 AD&D boxed sets for $40 in cards
[16:32] <SamuraiAlba> and then flipped those for $400
[16:32] <SamuraiAlba> TROLL
[16:32] <SamuraiAlba> :)
[16:32] <SamuraiAlba> anyway... headed out.
[16:35] <MutantTurkey> :-)
[16:51] <cythes> Ubuntu Eye Wear..
[16:51] <cythes> I am skurd
[16:52] <MutantTurkey> skurd?
[16:52] <MutantTurkey> you're a turd.
[16:52] <MutantTurkey> :-)
[16:53] <cythes> MutantTurkey, Nice try lol
[16:53] <MutantTurkey> olol
[16:54] <cythes> But that is just cool.... Still I dont like the battery attached to it...
[16:58] <passstab> isn't cannonicals new stratgy of makeing it for everything kinda worrying?
[16:58] <MutantTurkey> yes
[17:17] <passstab> i want to try a *box wm
[17:17] <passstab> which one should i try?
[17:18] <pleia2> fluxbox
[17:20] <passstab> and why?
[17:24] <pleia2> it's the one I use ;)
[17:24] <pleia2> I don't have a comparison chart or anything, I just tried it and liked it and now it's the one I use on my debian systems
[17:25] <passstab> have you tryed open?
[17:25] <pleia2> not in a very long time
[17:26]  * passstab logs out to give open a try
[17:29] <cythes> I would try to use i3 on here. Make it all the more speedy lol
[17:30] <passstab> i made it!!!
[17:31] <cythes> pleia2, How long has this been up: http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/eyewear
[17:31] <PennBot> Title: Ubuntu for Eyewear | Ubuntu (at www.ubuntu.com)
[17:32] <cythes> I'm trying to figure out if ubuntu be trollin or not
[17:41] <pleia2> cythes: yeah, it's a joke
[17:41] <passstab> why haven't we dominated libraries?
[17:45] <passstab> i think they are a RELATIVELY easy target
[17:46] <cythes> Ahh I see lol
[17:46] <passstab> and for alot of people the only computers they use
[19:52] <cythes> passstab, Oh yeah that makes sense...
[21:39] <SamuraiAlba> good potatoes to all!
[21:40] <jedijf> makes sense to everyone but the librarians :/
[21:40] <SamuraiAlba> What is up for this month?
[21:40] <jedijf> there was a decent attempt in nj, but it failed
[21:40] <SamuraiAlba> attempt at what?
[21:40] <jedijf> Linux in libraries
[21:48] <MutantTurkey> linuxxxxxx
[21:48] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: tde + libaries? :p
[21:48] <MutantTurkey> libraries'
[21:52] <SamuraiAlba> I need something to do on the weekends


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[00:19] <swift110> hey
[05:36] <swift110-phone> hey
[09:41] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[12:10] <icey> ahoy
[12:16] <teddy-dbear> o/
[18:35] <icey> anybody going to the PLUG meeting tonight?
[18:35] <icey> Philly west
[18:37] <teddy-dbear> only if some one picks me up carries me around and brings me back home ;-)
[18:41] <icey> teddy-dbear: where are you?
[18:41] <icey> I'm in Phoenixville
[18:55] <teddy-dbear> Cheltenham
[18:55] <waltman> icey: afaik there's still no topic or speaker for tonight
[18:56] <icey> waltman: yeah, I was noticing that
[18:56] <icey> :-/
[18:57] <icey> waltman: so...drink and talk about linux?
[18:58] <teddy-dbear> sounds like a good time to have me as a speaker
[18:58] <teddy-dbear> I still have chocolate
[19:11] <waltman> I still like the idea of teddy-dbear as keynote speaker at fosscon
[19:13] <teddy-dbear> you have a whole year to make it happen


[06:08] <cpvem> Hi, good evening/morning/afternoon
[06:08] <cpvem> For a Charmed Canonical OpenStack installation, do the openstack nodes also require internet access, or would it suffice if only the MaaS and JUJU nodes have Internet access?
[10:16] <stickupkid> achilleasa_, https://github.com/juju/charm/pull/340
[10:51] <viswa> Hi All
[10:51] <viswa> Can I have the list of URL that needs to be whitelist for installing Juju and MaaS in the secure environment
[10:56] <viswa> Any one active in this room?
[11:09] <stickupkid> viswa, can you ask on discourse, it's more likely you'll get a response. Of the top of my head you'll need apt, access to streams.canonical.com (agents and configurations) and additionally you'll also need the correct ports to access the controller.
[11:10] <stickupkid> viswa, https://discourse.charmhub.io/
[11:10] <viswa> Thanks a lot. Let me check there
[11:25] <stickupkid> achilleasa_, https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/12758
[11:35] <manadart> stickupkid or achilleasa_ : This is the bug I mentioned - https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/12759
[11:43] <stickupkid> manadart, the worst case for this 105 minutes (7 phases * 15 minutes) right?
[11:50] <manadart> stickupkid: No. Not all phases wait for minions. Import does not, nor does the relations one, which is a no-op.
[11:51] <stickupkid> manadart, so what's the worst case? anything that wants a QUIESCE
[11:52] <stickupkid> not saying it's wrong, but we should have an idea of worst case here imo
[11:53] <manadart> So there's no worst case - import takes as long as it takes. quisce, validate and success each have the minion wait, so that part is 45 minutes total.
[11:53] <manadart> At most.
[11:54] <stickupkid> right ok fair
[11:54] <stickupkid> that should be enough for anybody
[12:15] <stickupkid> achilleasa_, bring the fix from v7 to v8 https://github.com/juju/charm/pull/341
[13:34] <manadart> stickupkid achilleasa_ : Simple one for new controller-config value - https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/12761.
[13:50] <stickupkid> achilleasa_, merge forward of the panic fix https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/12762
[13:55] <achilleasa_> stickupkid: are you opening a new one for ^ ?
[19:05] <xavpaice> achilleasa_, thanks so much for https://github.com/juju/python-libjuju/pull/475 - I started to look at it but am unfamiliar with that codebase and it was going to take me a while :)