[00:20] <chrisccoulson> it's quiet in here tonight, where is everybody? ;)
[00:22] <bryce_> heya chrisccoulson
[00:22] <chrisccoulson> hi bryce_, how are you?
[00:22] <bryce_> chrisccoulson, good!  RAOF and I are in chicago
[00:22] <bryce_> just finished the X developer's conference today
[00:22] <bryce_> chrisccoulson, and yourself?
[00:23] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'm not too bad thanks. how was the conference?
[00:24] <TheMuso> chrisccoulson: We're around, just busy. :)
[00:24] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[00:25] <bryce_> chrisccoulson, it was good, although mostly just for being able to chat with people; the talks themselves tended to be on the esoteric side
[01:16] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: How can one find out what gnome-settings-daemon runs in the reduced mode? I am trying to debug why orca doesn't start in the lightdm u nity greeter.
[01:17] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/unity-greeter/trunk/view/head:/src/settings-daemon.vala
[01:19] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: ok thanks.
[01:31] <TheMuso> Ok, the a11y-settings plugin only deals with keys. I.e if org.gnome.desktop.a11y.applications screen-reader-enabled/screen-keyboard-enabled are enabled, it enables org.gnome.desktop.interface toolkit-accessibility. I think its then up to gnome-session to actually launch the assistive technology that has ben activated. I need to dig further to be sure however.
[01:42] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: ^^ as above, I'll file a bug against unity-greeter.
[01:43] <robert_ancell> ok
[03:40] <pitti> Good morning
[04:14] <TheMuso> Morning pitti.
[04:15] <pitti> hey TheMuso, how are you?
[04:15] <TheMuso> pitti: Seems someone is still having problems with python-pyatspi2 on upgrade from natty, bug 836798, their logs can be found at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/at-spi2-core/+bug/836798/+attachment/2399653/+files/dist-upgrade.zip. When you have a minute, mind seeing if you can see something else that I have missed?
[04:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 836798 in at-spi2-core "natty to oneiric upgrade failed: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'python-pyatspi2'" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/836798
[04:15] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 836798 in at-spi2-core "natty to oneiric upgrade failed: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'python-pyatspi2'" [Critical,Triaged]
[04:15] <TheMuso> pitti: Not too bad thanks, yourself?
[04:15] <pitti> bit tired still, but pretty ok
[04:25] <pitti> dist-upgrade.zip, argh
[04:27] <TheMuso> yeah I know.
[04:27] <pitti> TheMuso: oh, there we go
[04:29] <pitti> TheMuso: followed up in the bug
[04:29] <TheMuso> ok thanks
[04:29] <pitti> TheMuso: in short, libatk-adaptor still has a Conflicts: at-spi
[04:29] <TheMuso> Oh right, missed that.
[04:30] <pitti> that's the only thing I can stop
[04:30] <pitti> "spot"
[04:30] <pitti> TheMuso: do you know what the conflicts: is for?
[04:31] <TheMuso> pitti: Actually yes, it is because the at-spi source package and at-spi2-atk share /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libatk-bridge.so
[04:31]  * TheMuso double checks
[04:31] <pitti> TheMuso: would at-spi work with at-spi2's libatk-bridge? (I suppose not)
[04:32] <pitti> TheMuso: it would be worth testing if a Breaks: would fix the upgrade
[04:32] <pitti> it's less strong than a Depends
[04:32] <TheMuso> No
[04:32] <pitti> TheMuso: and it's missing a Replaces: either way
[04:32] <TheMuso> ok
[04:32] <pitti> IIRC Replaces: tells apt that you really want to move to the new package, instead of holding back
[04:32] <TheMuso> breaks is likely better.
[04:32] <pitti> so a breaks: plus replaces: might do the trick
[04:33] <TheMuso> yup on it thanks
[04:33] <pitti> needs testing, of course, but it's a "more correct" change either way
[04:33] <pitti> TheMuso: you can upload this now? then QA can test this again
[04:33] <TheMuso> yep
[04:33] <TheMuso> and the package already has a replaces.
[04:35] <pitti> ah, it's further up, sorry
[04:35] <TheMuso> np
[04:36] <pitti> TheMuso: still a bit awkward, though, as at-spi still has reverse dependencies, so for people who have one of those installed the upgrade will break
[04:37] <pitti> so it's definitively not enough then
[04:37] <TheMuso> Yeah, I know
[04:43] <pitti> robert_ancell: I'll be on holiday tomorrow, so for coordination: should I upload the lightdm package with the debconf fix and the privilege escalation fix applied, or do you want to do an upload today still anyway?
[04:43] <robert_ancell> pitti, just upload the fix for now.  I'm trying to track down a race condition in unity-greeter
[04:43] <pitti> ok
[05:23] <didrocks> good morning
[05:23] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[05:23] <didrocks> guten morgen pitti, how are you?
[05:24] <pitti> pretty well, thanks!
[05:40] <rickspencer3> jasoncwarner_, where's robert_ancell?
[05:40] <pitti> hey rickspencer3
[05:40] <rickspencer3> I noticed I have a text insertion cursor in my greeter this orning!
[05:40] <rickspencer3> hi pitti
[05:40] <rickspencer3> I just dist-upgraded and a lot of my bugs were fixed, I think
[05:40] <rickspencer3> I can use the menus with the keyboard again
[05:41]  * rickspencer3 clears out /var/crash and waits
[05:42] <pitti> menu is still broken for me
[05:42] <didrocks> good morning rickspencer3
[05:42] <rickspencer3> hi didrocks
[05:42] <rickspencer3> pitti, no F10?
[05:42] <pitti> and no alt+letter
[05:42] <rickspencer3> aah
[05:43] <rickspencer3> it's nto fixed for me
[05:43] <rickspencer3> oops
[05:43] <rickspencer3> didrocks, I see I got a new compiz, I guess you got in a fix for that rather popular crasher?
[05:43] <rickspencer3> I saw it was Fix Committed yesterday
[05:46] <didrocks> rickspencer3: the crashers are not in compiz but unity
[05:46] <rickspencer3> didrocks, oh?
[05:46] <didrocks> rickspencer3: the new compiz was "only" being able to upgrade your configuration (removing the old alt + tab) + setting an option to True
[05:46] <rickspencer3> my .crash files were compiz
[05:46] <didrocks> rickspencer3: yeah, the process is called "compiz"
[05:46] <rickspencer3> rats, so another day of crashing?
[05:46] <didrocks> rickspencer3: as the plugin "unity" run in the compiz process
[05:46] <rickspencer3> didrocks, understood
[05:47] <didrocks> rickspencer3: the fix will be there as soon as I get some tarballs, I'm already chasing that all FFe/UIFe as been acked
[05:47] <rickspencer3> yikes
[06:01] <didrocks> pitti: so, last week UIFe for dash wasn't completed at 100%, I asked Mirco to open a new one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/844889
[06:01] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 844889 in unity "UIFe: Dash - Shape and positioning of most of the elements in the Dash need adjustment (Part 2)" [Medium,In progress]
[06:02] <didrocks> hum, dx team set that to "in progress", /me reverts
[06:26] <didrocks> pitti: as well, I asked the dx team to make a FFe for that one: https://code.launchpad.net/~alexlauni/unity-lens-music/musicstore/+merge/75398
[06:27] <didrocks> (and 5 FFe for a release)
[06:27]  * didrocks needs to track down the translation team now for an indicator-session string freeze exception
[06:36] <pitti> hm, I think we need a bigger "STOP!" sign :)
[06:37] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, it's about going to drive me crazy TBH :)
[06:37] <didrocks> (drive… stop… hope you appreciate my efforts on the analogy :))
[06:37] <pitti> (commented)
[06:38] <pitti> didrocks: yes, let's not race into a tree at the last mile!
[06:38] <didrocks> pitti: heh :-)
[06:40]  * pitti goes to do some more GNOME updates
[06:52] <rickspencer3> hi robert_ancell!
[06:53] <rickspencer3> I have an insertion cursor in my greeter today!
[06:53] <pitti> robert_ancell: lightdm uploaded, FYI
[06:53] <rickspencer3> :)
[06:54] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, hello
[06:54] <robert_ancell> always a bonus :)
[06:54] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, what toolkit does the greeter use?
[06:54] <robert_ancell> GTK
[06:54] <rickspencer3> cool
[06:54] <rickspencer3> the greeter looks great
[06:54] <rickspencer3> was it hard to style it the way you wanted?
[07:08] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[07:08] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson, how are you?
[07:08] <pitti> chrisccoulson: and how's your new laptop?
[07:08] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti, i'm good thanks. how are you?
[07:11] <pitti> pretty well, thanks!
[07:13] <chrisccoulson> huh, upower thinks i have 2 batteries this morning :/
[07:14] <chrisccoulson> well, it thinks one of them isn't present though
[07:15] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson
[07:15] <didrocks> dpm: good morning!
[07:15] <chrisccoulson> hi didrocks
[07:15] <didrocks> dpm: do you have time for a string freeze excepetion for indicator-session?
[07:16] <didrocks> dpm: bug #850013
[07:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 850013 in indicator-session "[UIFe]Says "Reboot Required" instead of "Restart to Complete Updates…"" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/850013
[07:18] <dpm> morning didrocks, sure, give me 2 minutes
[07:18] <didrocks> dpm: you can even have 3! :-)
[07:18] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: oh, you have an hidden batterie? :-)
[07:19] <dpm> :)
[07:19] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, i didn't yesterday, but my laptop seems to have developed one overnight according to the output of upower --dump ;)
[07:19] <chrisccoulson> (and i have an empty battery displayed in the power indicator too)
[07:19] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: i want the same! :)
[07:19] <chrisccoulson> lol
[07:23] <chrisccoulson> nice - "time to empty: 8.1 hours"
[07:23] <chrisccoulson> :-)
[07:23] <pitti> chrisccoulson: yay new laptop
[07:23] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, it's better than the 5 minutes battery life that i had on my old one ;)
[07:24] <chrisccoulson> i managed to sit downstairs all evening without my charger, and it still had power left at 2am
[07:24] <pitti> yeah, I get some 10 hours out of mine, too, it's really nice
[07:24] <pitti> I don't even bother bringing the AC adapter to UDS days any more
[07:24] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[07:28] <didrocks> pitti: btw, it seems that finally, it still uses the cached wallpaper (I was puzzled yesterday because in the 2.x land, killing nautilus or gnome-settings-daemon forced them to redraw the background on startup, doesn't seem to be the case anymore)
[07:29] <pitti> didrocks: ah, thanks! so it's something else
[07:29] <didrocks> pitti: like, open the cache file with gimp, make a big cross on it, at next logout/login, you will see it
[07:29] <pitti> didrocks: ok, thanks for checking!
[07:29] <didrocks> no worry :)
[07:33]  * didrocks just discovered again a new feature merged without FFe, urgh…
[07:34] <pitti> didrocks: I updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/11.10/BootSpeedAnalysis accordingly
[07:35] <didrocks> pitti: great, thanks! that means there is another issue though :/
[07:35] <pitti> yeah
[07:35] <didrocks> pitti: you remember the nautilus at startup I mentionned two weeks ago?
[07:35] <pitti> 0.5 to 5 s is pretty bad
[07:35] <pitti> didrocks: I don't
[07:36] <didrocks> pitti: like, there is a grey window appearing on the left, at the very beginning for 0.5s
[07:36] <didrocks> (5 pixels width, almost the whole desktop height)
[07:36] <pitti> hm, haven't seen or heard about this yet; is that happening regularly?
[07:36] <didrocks> at every boot
[07:36] <didrocks> you can kill nautilus
[07:37] <didrocks> and let it respawn, you should see it
[07:37] <didrocks> (try hiding the launcher first)
[07:37] <pitti> $ killall nautilus
[07:37] <pitti> $ nautilus
[07:37] <pitti> no grey window, just the main window
[07:38] <pitti> argh, I really want ctrl+alt+t back
[07:38] <didrocks> you have a fast computer :)
[07:38] <didrocks> pitti: you can have it back, in gnome-control-center now
[07:38] <didrocks> keyboard/shortcuts/Launchers
[07:38] <pitti> ah, empty desktop, no launcher, then I see it
[07:38] <didrocks> "run a terminal"
[07:38] <didrocks> ah :)
[07:38] <didrocks> pitti: so, I xprop it
[07:39] <didrocks> it's the nautilus desktop window
[07:39] <didrocks> its height and width is the full screensize though
[07:39] <rodrigo_> morning
[07:39] <didrocks> good morning rodrigo_
[07:40] <rodrigo_> bonjour didrocks
[07:40] <pitti> hey rodrigo_
[07:40] <didrocks> pitti: didn't have time to get further, I tried to printf in most of init function of the nautilus desktop background class, and all is initiated before this window appears
[07:40] <didrocks> I'm wondering if it's not a pane from classic nautilus hiding…
[07:40] <didrocks> (classic as the file browser)
[07:41] <didrocks> as upstream doesn't support "show files on desktop" anymore, I won't be surprised some changes broke something there
[07:41] <rodrigo_> hi pitti
[07:42] <robert_ancell> pitti, hey, just to let you know I managed to get a lightdm release together by the end of the day.  Thanks for the 0.9.5 update though
[07:43] <pitti> robert_ancell: ah, nice; thanks
[07:44]  * pitti packages new indicator-session which delays aptd
[07:44] <pitti> nice, that'll reduce boot time on the mini 10 by 13 s :)
[07:44] <didrocks> pitti: oh, already done
[07:44] <didrocks> pitti: just waiting on dpm for the string freeze exception :)
[07:44] <pitti> didrocks: what changed now?
[07:44] <pitti> didrocks: oh, you mean indicator-session?
[07:45] <didrocks> pitti: yeah
[07:45] <pitti> doesn't seem to be in the branch
[07:45] <didrocks> pitti: bug #850013
[07:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 850013 in indicator-session "[UIFe]Says "Reboot Required" instead of "Restart to Complete Updates…"" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/850013
[07:45]  * pitti deletes branch
[07:45] <didrocks> pitti: it's mixed in the commit
[07:46] <didrocks> look+                                        _("Restart to complete updates…"));
[07:46] <pitti> right
[07:46] <didrocks> -                                    _("Reboot Required"));
[07:46] <didrocks> (but not at the same place)
[07:47] <didrocks> just rebooting to test there is no surprise, brb :)
[07:47] <jasoncwarner_> pitti: delaying aptd? :) yay! 13s ain't nothing to sneeze at! awesome
[07:48] <pitti> jasoncwarner_: yes, it's the biggest chunk of the regressions, see wiki page
[07:48] <pitti> jasoncwarner_: unfortunately the nautilus regression isn't as obvious as it seemed to be
[07:48] <jasoncwarner_> pitti: i did...am _very_ happy to see that...
[07:49] <jasoncwarner_> pitti: oh? well, neil said he is working on some unity/compiz/lens stuff...and that being 30s is obviously huge
[07:49] <pitti> well, not 30, it's 8 for the lenses, and about +5 to +8 for compiz/unity
[07:51] <didrocks> pitti: hum, the lenses starts on login?
[07:51] <pitti> didrocks: no, but they start if you press the windows button
[07:51] <pitti> and it takes about 8 seconds between pressing windows key and the dash actually appearing
[07:52] <didrocks> pitti: indeed (it's because of me)
[07:52] <pitti> because it's loading the world
[07:52] <didrocks> right
[07:52] <pitti> and I have a feeling that 6 out of these 8 seconds is reading the apt database
[07:52] <didrocks> and the banshee one maybe
[07:52] <pitti> this needs to happen async, and on demand (when you enable the app lens, I figure)
[07:53] <didrocks> pitti: well, the home dash is looking for everyting everywhere
[07:53] <pitti> no
[07:53] <pitti> didrocks: you don't see uninstalled apps ther
[07:53] <pitti> only in the apps place
[07:53] <didrocks> indeed, the category are taken by xapian as well IIRC
[07:53] <didrocks> so xapian should be up
[07:53] <didrocks> but maybe not apt
[07:54] <didrocks> kamstrup: any clue on that ? ^
[07:54] <pitti> well, I haven't actually checked
[07:54] <pitti> ah, it's not using apt, just xapian?
[07:54] <pitti> I didn't look _what_ takes so long
[07:54] <pitti> it was just a suspicion, as it shows available apps
[07:54] <didrocks> it's using xapian for sure
[07:54] <didrocks> and merging the xapian tree with the gnome-menu one
[07:55] <didrocks> pitti: did setting Ctrl + alt + t worked for you?
[07:55] <pitti> didrocks: yes
[07:56] <kamstrup> didrocks, pitti: opening the S-C xapian index should be really fast. It's basically just mmap()ed afaik
[07:56] <pitti> ok, then that's not it
[07:56] <kamstrup> pitti, didrocks: the lenses don't use apt. It is pure xapian
[07:57] <kamstrup> pitti: but the dash should not be waiting for the lenses to come up... at least it doesn't here
[07:57] <kamstrup> If I open it very fast, I can see the lens icons are added async at the bottom
[07:57] <pitti> kamstrup: well, whatever it is, it's spinning 8 seconds full CPU after pressing windows the first time, and then comes up
[07:58] <pitti> and during that time it starts unity-applications-service (or -daemon?), which takes some 4 or 5 seconds of CPU alone
[07:58] <kamstrup> pitti: wow... that's a lot!
[07:58] <pitti> kamstrup: you can see the difference here:
[07:58] <pitti> http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/bootcharts/daniel-oneiric-20110914-disable-indicator-session.png
[07:58] <pitti> (no dash)
[07:58] <kamstrup> pitti: I think that may be a regression... it used to be that it was very lazy loading
[07:58] <pitti> http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/bootcharts/daniel-oneiric-20110914-disable-indicator-session_open-dash.png (open dash right after startup)
[07:59] <pitti> kamstrup: the majority of CPU activity is in the compiz process, though (i. e. unity)
[08:00] <chrisccoulson> i just looked at a bootchart on my new laptop
[08:00] <kamstrup> pitti: ah, ok, I thought it was in u-l-a
[08:00] <chrisccoulson> X seems to do nothing for 5 seconds here before the greeter appears :/
[08:00] <chrisccoulson> but at least it's better than my old one ;)
[08:00] <kamstrup> pitti: but yeah, starting compiz seems to be a major drag
[08:00] <didrocks> pitti: for u-l-a is it a regression from natty?
[08:01] <pitti> I don't know, I didn't do charts for natty
[08:01]  * didrocks wonders if its not alt + F2 which does io at startup
[08:02] <didrocks> hum no, pitti is on ssd IIRC, so shouldn't be the issue
[08:02] <pitti> yes, the mini 10v has an SSD, and not a too bad one
[08:02] <didrocks> I still should try to not do this io anyway…
[08:09] <didrocks> agateau: hey, do you have some time today to debug a Qt issue which seems to be widespread?
[08:09] <agateau> didrocks: what is all about?
[08:09]  * agateau suspects it's the one he started tracking this morning
[08:10] <didrocks> agateau: seems an issue when using the gtk widget style: bug #805303
[08:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 805303 in qt4-x11 "Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_widget_style_get: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed with the default qt4 gui" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/805303
[08:10] <agateau> ah, no, not the one I expected
[08:10] <didrocks> sorry for that :-)
[08:10] <agateau> no problem :)
[08:11] <didrocks> agateau: thanks! (I didn't found anything on the upstream bug tracker)
[08:11] <didrocks> find*
[08:11] <didrocks> agateau: FYI, on the french forum, some apps which has the issue: http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=635911
[08:12] <agateau> ok
[08:30] <agateau> didrocks: I can't reproduce it :/
[08:30] <didrocks> agateau: do you have the theme set to a gtk one?
[08:30] <agateau> didrocks: I do
[08:30] <agateau> didrocks: can you reproduce it?
[08:31] <dpm> didrocks, sorry it took a while, but I've just +1'd the indicator-session string freeze break. Let me know if there is anything else I can do. Oh, and if next time whoever breaks the freeze could send an e-mail to the translators and docs list, that'd be great, as it will save me doing it :)
[08:31] <didrocks> agateau: vlc ui doesn't start there, I didn't get the time to have a look, I'll try with on of the other application
[08:31] <didrocks> dpm: I told them to send an email… three times
[08:32] <dpm> didrocks, ok, so now it's four, as I reminded them on the bug too :)
[08:32] <didrocks> dpm: but thanks for the ack, I'll upload now!
[08:32] <dpm> hopefully the message comes across :)
[08:36] <pitti> dpm: while you are at it, would you mind taking a look at bug 792636 ?
[08:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 792636 in gnome-control-center "[FFE] [UIFE] [Regression] Power section no longer allows configuration of "when the lid is closed" action in Oneiric" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/792636
[08:37] <dupondje> Will we rebase gnome-settings-deamon on the newest master before release?
[08:38] <dpm> pitti, oh sorry, I meant to have a look at it yesterday, but got sidetracked, on it. I think it makes sense to provide the functionality again, so +1 on translations. Let me reply to the bug
[08:38] <pitti> dpm: thanks
[08:40] <dupondje> anyone ? :)
[08:41] <pitti> dupondje: 2.91.92 should arrive on Monday, we'll do it then
[08:41] <didrocks> pitti: post beta2, isn't it?
[08:41] <pitti> no, this should be in for beta-2
[08:41] <dupondje> ah great :) cause there is a bug I want fixed in it now, but fixed in gnome :)
[08:42] <pitti> libraries today (unless there are trivial fixes), apps on Monday
[08:42] <pitti> I discussed that with release team last Friday
[08:42] <chrisccoulson> huh, i have to manually start pulseaudio here to get any sound (and for the sound indicator to work) :/
[08:42] <pitti> Seb should be back on Monday, but some more help will be appreciated to update and test everything quickly
[08:42] <ricotz> pitti, hello
[08:43] <pitti> hey ricotz
[08:43] <ricotz> pitti, it seems there will be no new gtk2 release in the near futurue so it might be worth to add this patch http://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/?h=gtk-2-24&id=e0f3b18c37f1d5e9e0b9c7745513566686c006b0
[08:44] <pitti> ricotz: what does that do?
[08:44] <ricotz> currently the filechooser dialog is a bit broken due this problem
[08:44] <ricotz> try to save a webpage from i.e. firefox
[08:44] <ricotz> and look at the filetype combobox
[08:45] <pitti> oh, it's too narrow
[08:45] <ricotz> this applies to all gtk2 apps using it
[08:45] <pitti> is there a bug # for it already?
[08:45] <pitti> (i. e. something which the changelog needs to close)
[08:45] <ricotz> idno, have looked for one
[08:46] <pitti> rodrigo_: ok for me to upload control-center, or do you want to do an upload today anyway?
[08:48] <dupondje> GunnarHj: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/838101 => So you mean its not longer possible to choose nl_BE, and it will always be nl_NL ?!
[08:48] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 838101 in language-selector "Locale settings not saved" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[08:49] <dupondje> why the hell its possible to add n'Nederlands (BelgiÃe)' to the st then?
[08:49] <ricotz> pitti, didnt found a related bug-report
[08:49] <pitti> ricotz: ok, then we'll just upload it like that
[08:49] <pitti> ricotz: will that fix the too narrow file type selector?
[08:49] <ricotz> yes, it should
[08:50] <pitti> rodrigo_: ah, I'll just upload; there's plenty of version numbers, and the package is not that big
[08:51] <rodrigo_> pitti, yes, not sure if I'll upload anythiong today, depends on the bugs I fixed, so go ahead
[08:52] <rodrigo_> s/I fixed/I fix :)
[08:52] <pitti> ricotz: ok, building
[08:52]  * pitti needs to run out for some errands, bbl
[08:53] <ricotz> pitti, thanks
[09:01] <agateau> didrocks: did you try some more to reproduce bug #805303?
[09:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 805303 in qt4-x11 "Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_widget_style_get: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed with the default qt4 gui" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/805303
[09:01] <agateau> didrocks: I am stuck
[09:01] <didrocks> agateau: sorry, pingy time there
[09:01] <didrocks> and paperwork, paperwork, paperwork…
[09:02] <agateau> fun
[09:03] <Sweetshark> pitti: what do you think about closing all 450 New/Incomplete/Confirmed/Triaged bugs with Wishlist/Low priority in OpenOffice.org packaging as WONTFIX and ask reporters to reopen it in LibreOffice if it still applies? This is only bugs on "OpenOffice.org (Ubuntu)" not OOo upstream bugs.
[09:04] <Sweetshark> pitti: add 353 undecided bugs to that.
[09:18] <didrocks> agateau: running calibre, I have the gtk_critical
[09:18] <didrocks> agateau: but apart from the spam, it seems to work
[09:19] <agateau> didrocks: yes, I suspect the gtk_critical messages are not the problem
[09:23] <pitti> Sweetshark: sounds fine to me; there's little hope that these get triaged properly eventually anyway
[09:23] <pitti> "bug bankrupcy"
[09:26] <Sweetshark> pitti: hrhr
[09:27] <didrocks> agateau: more than possible, indeed
[09:31] <dupondje> What do we think about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/838101 ? I really think it should be possible to select for example nl_BE.
[09:31] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 838101 in language-selector "Locale settings not saved" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[09:31] <didrocks> ok, rebooting to test unity-2d
[09:45] <didrocks> pitti: sorry that I missed the other bug #
[09:46] <pitti> didrocks: no problem :)
[09:50] <pitti> ricotz: that patch doesn't fix the broken file type selector, at least not in firefox
[09:51] <pitti> ricotz: I committed it to bzr anyway, but I won't upload it
[10:10] <ricotz> pitti, the patch you added isnt the one i mentioned
[10:10] <pitti> ricotz: oh, I guess /url grab fail
[10:10] <pitti> ricotz: sorry, will update
[10:11] <ricotz> pitti, np ;)
[10:11] <ricotz> pitti, just to be sure http://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/?h=gtk-2-24&id=e0f3b18c37f1d5e9e0b9c7745513566686c006b0
[10:12] <pitti> yep
[10:12] <pitti> got it
[10:12] <pitti> my "/url" command just cut at the &
[10:12] <ricotz> ok
[10:25] <pitti> ricotz: works fine, uploading
[10:30] <ricotz> pitti, good :)
[10:30] <njpatel> Pici, didrocks, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/828862
[10:30] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 828862 in unity "[UIFe] Radiance panel icons are unreadable and ugly when panel goes transparent with Dash" [High,Confirmed]
[10:30] <njpatel> fudge
[10:30] <njpatel> pitti, ^
[10:31] <pitti> yes, confirming
[10:31] <didrocks> njpatel: have you sent an email to the documentation team?
[10:31] <njpatel> didrocks, I subscribed them so far, about to send an email
[10:31]  * didrocks adds the unity downstream task  meanwhile
[10:32] <pitti> njpatel: updated
[10:32] <pitti> didrocks: oh, I just did
[10:32] <pitti> I re-used the light-themes one
[10:33] <pitti> ok, mid-air collision
[10:33] <didrocks> pitti: indeed, sorry about it :)
[10:33] <pitti> not your fault :)
[10:35] <njpatel> didrocks, sent
[10:35] <njpatel> pitti, thanks
[10:35] <didrocks> njpatel: thanks!
[10:35] <njpatel> the change is all inside Unity, I believe
[10:40] <didrocks> mvo: oh? you removed software-center-gtk3 binary?
[10:40]  * didrocks rushes to change in unity-lens-applications
[10:41] <mvo> didrocks: uh, should I ship a symlink?
[10:41]  * mvo is actually away for lunch
[10:41] <didrocks> mvo: that's ok, we'll have a release soon, I just spotted it reading the changelog :)
[10:42] <didrocks> done :)
[10:45] <pgraner> didrocks, just up dated https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-2d/+bug/846335 with a screen shot, I updated to the latest package and it still has the issue
[10:45] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 846335 in unity-2d "[panel] graphics corruption in top line of pixels" [High,Fix released]
[10:46] <didrocks> pgraner: indeed, seeing it, thanks for the feedback, retargetting and reopening for the unity-2d team
[10:47] <didrocks> (depends on graphic card, it seems, I didn't get it while testing)
[10:49] <dupondje> its not possible anymore with the gnome-control-center to select nl_BE instead of nl_NL ?!
[10:50] <pitti> you want language-selector for that
[10:50] <pitti> c-c only selects a language, not a country
[10:52] <dupondje> pitti: in the c-c you can add 'Nederlands (Belgie)' but it gets removed after a restart of the c-c
[10:52] <dupondje> in the language-selector, it seems country cannot be chosen ?
[10:53] <dupondje> well it can be choosed in 'Country Settings' but that doesn't set the locale correctly it seems
[10:54] <dupondje> http://paste.ubuntu.com/689894/ => this is what it saved to .profile ...
[10:54] <pitti> export LANG="nl_BE.UTF-8"
[10:54] <pitti> that seems correct?
[10:54] <dupondje> the LANG yes
[10:54] <dupondje> rest not :(
[10:54] <pitti> that also seems fine
[10:54] <pitti> these categories are only language specific, not country
[10:55] <dupondje> hmz ok
[10:59] <dupondje> /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive was corrupt here :s it included chinese locale, while I did not install it
[10:59] <dupondje> weird :)
[11:02] <pitti> chrisccoulson, didrocks: FYI, I'll be on holidays tomorrow, and this afternoon I'll only be on IRC scarcely
[11:02] <didrocks> pitti: ok, enjoy your long week-end then! :)
[11:03] <davmor2> Morning guys I have an issue in oneiric in that the select a printer isn't detecting a printer connected to another machine on my network, works on natty and maverick just not oneiric,  is there anything I can do to debug it a little?
[11:05] <dupondje> pitti: still a little remark. If I for example ssh to a remote server not having nl_NL installed, but only nl_BE locale installed, I get errors when running perl for example.
[11:05] <dupondje> so still I think we should set LC_MESSAGES to nl_BE no?
[11:19] <chrisccoulson> pitti - oh, have a nice weekend then :)
[11:24] <mvo> didrocks: thanks!
[11:32] <chrisccoulson> hmm, zeritgeist-deamon seems to use tonnes of memory here
[11:54] <pitti> dupondje: yeah, that's currently being discussed in https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu/oneiric/accountsservice/unset-lcmess/+merge/73219
[11:54] <pitti> dupondje: it shouldn't set all these variables in the first place
[11:56] <smspillaz> pitti: how busy are you ?
[11:56] <smspillaz> like, super busy, or OK to look at an ffe/uife
[12:09]  * rodrigo_ lunch
[12:21] <tkamppeter> I am trying to fix bug 842768. On normal print jobs a notification popps up telling that the printer is not connected. It is triggered by CUPS shouting a "connecting-to-device" state reason into the D-Bus, but I cannot find out which program picks up this. I have already uninstalled system-config-printer and the notification still appears.
[12:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 842768 in system-config-printer "Cups notifies "printer ' xxx ' may be not connected " although printer is OK and printing is OK too" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/842768
[12:31] <njpatel> pitti, with your comments on the panel bug, does that mean I still need the docs team to +1 or does that cover it? (sorry, I'm a bit confused)
[12:32] <njpatel> pitti, as we have a few more UIFe's that have been waiting for some time and maybe you can take a look at them
[12:33] <didrocks> njpatel: I would tell it covers it for your question #1
[12:33] <didrocks> njpatel: so to sum up, we need: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/844889 -> documentation ack
[12:33] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 844889 in unity "UIFe: Dash - Shape and positioning of most of the elements in the Dash need adjustment (Part 2)" [Medium,In progress]
[12:33] <didrocks> and the release team ack on smspillaz's branch
[12:55] <oier> could somebody please point me to good documentation for porting (python) apps to GTK3?
[13:02] <dobey> oier: i wish i could :-/
[13:03] <Sweetshark> pitti: https://pastebin.canonical.com/52832/ looking good for the build closing of ooo bugs?
[13:06] <dobey> oier: gobject-introspection usage isn't particularly well documented
[13:06] <afeder> can someone help me getting started with using 'edit-patch' plz?
[13:07] <Sweetshark> s/build/bulk/
[13:07] <oier> I mean a lot of apps have been ported to GTK3 recently, there has to be some reference somewhere
[13:07] <afeder> i'n trying to patch against network-manager with edit-patch but can't figure out how to proceed (see last comment at https://code.launchpad.net/~anders-feder/network-manager-applet/bug-704123/+merge/74964 )
[13:08] <afeder> i'm*
[13:15] <dobey> just a test:
[13:15] <dobey> bug #827465
[13:16] <dobey> hrmm
[13:16] <dobey> ubot2: bug 827465
[13:17] <dobey> interesting.
[13:25] <Sweetshark> issue 827465
[13:30] <dobey> Sweetshark: nah, it's because it is private. just wanted to see what ubot2 did comapred to what ubot4 was doing. apparently LP changed and broke the bots wrt private bugs. :-/
[13:30] <Sweetshark> dobey: k
[13:37] <tkamppeter> anyone can help me tracking down from which program a notification message comes?
[13:41] <rodrigo_> anyone knows why we patch gnome-nettool to use tracepath instead of traceroute?
[13:47] <pitti> njpatel: panel bug> it's approved, so please go ahead; we had enough similar cases in the past that I think I can speak for the doc team in that regard
[13:48] <pitti> njpatel: for the others, can you please ask in #u-release? I'm pretty much off for a long weekend now (took a holiday)
[13:49] <pitti> Sweetshark: "status won't fix" -> "status wontfix" I think
[13:51] <pitti> Sweetshark: "also affects OO.o/LibO" is confusing, as OO.o is the very thing that is obsolete here; I'd just ask for filing a new bug with apport-bug if I were you, so that you get package versions etc.
[13:54] <njpatel> pitti, okay, will do. Have a good break :D
[13:54] <Sweetshark> pitti: hmm ok.
[13:54] <Sweetshark> pitti: any idea why the email interface ignores the comment?
[13:54] <pitti> Sweetshark: no idea, no; it usually works for me; but for the command to succeed you need to gpg sign
[13:55] <pitti> anyway, see you on Monday!
[13:58] <dobey> chrisccoulson: ping. is the tb extension packaged?
[14:01] <rodrigo_> hey dobey
[14:01] <dobey> hey rodrigo_
[14:01] <rodrigo_> dobey, couchdb still doesn't work
[14:01] <dobey> ?
[14:01] <rodrigo_> dobey, desktopcouch does though
[14:01] <rodrigo_> but couchdb gets stuck on any requests, never answers back
[14:01] <rodrigo_> is the fixed couchdb in the archive now?
[14:01] <dobey> hmm
[14:02] <dobey> the couchdb with the patch jgruber cherry picked from svn is, yes
[14:02] <dobey> 1.0.1-0ubuntu17
[14:02] <rodrigo_> ok, that's the one I have
[14:10] <dobey> rodrigo_: hmm. i don't know.
[14:20] <rodrigo_> dobey, trying to debug, but "debugging" and "couchdb" seem to be antagonic terms :-)
[14:22] <dobey> indeed
[14:23] <dobey> rodrigo_: i have empty databases afaik, and with sync not working right for me, i can't add them on the web site and then poke local couchdb after a sync
[14:26] <rodrigo_> dobey, I am debugging the connection bewteen evo-couchdb and couchdb, and I never get an answer
[14:26] <rodrigo_> not even a timeout, or error or something
[14:27] <dobey> well it's a tcp connection to HTTP, so you should get a timeout at least, even if it takes 10 minutes to get it
[14:27] <rodrigo_> riught, replication doesn't work neither here
[14:27] <rodrigo_> last entry in the log is from April
[14:28] <rodrigo_> dobey, yes, that's what I thought
[14:29] <dobey> oh i do have a couple records
[14:31] <rodrigo_> dobey, can you run e-addressbook-factory with COUCHDB_DEBUG_MESSAGES=1 and see what it outputs?
[14:31] <dobey> rodrigo_: couchdb is working ok here, using desktopcouch in python
[14:31] <tkamppeter> Anyone can help me wit an indicator notification issue?
[14:31] <dobey> rodrigo_: i seem to have 2 notes in my db
[14:32] <rodrigo_> dobey, and evolution doesn't work for you?
[14:32] <dobey> rodrigo_: and i just printed the content of one of them
[14:32] <dobey> rodrigo_: evolution doesn't work properly no. i just get an empty contacts list and can't seem to add a new contact
[14:34] <dobey> rodrigo_: i think evolution 3.x is seriously broken
[14:35] <dobey> rodrigo_: even in my local address book where i seem to have 153 contacts, it only ever renders the first page of the view
[14:35] <rodrigo_> dobey, hmm, I see that also, right
[14:36] <dobey> rodrigo_: i just dragged a contact to 'Ubuntu One' and nothing happened :-/
[14:37] <dobey> rodrigo_: and if i try to delete the 'Ubuntu One' address book from evolution, it just says it couldn't do it, without any real reason why
[14:41] <dobey> rodrigo_: e-addressbook-factory isn't printing anything useful; i just tried to add a contact from the nautilus share dialog too, and no changes
[14:42] <dobey> wtf
[14:43] <dobey> rodrigo_: i think maybe this is an e-d-s issue perhaps
[14:53] <rodrigo_> dobey, yes, evo-couchdb worked great with the system-wide couchdb, so something's broken indeed
[14:54] <rodrigo_> and couchdb seems to work, at least the web UI works for me
[14:54] <dobey> rodrigo_: yeah, the desktopcouch python API works for me
[14:55] <dobey> rodrigo_: so seems like maybe something in e-d-s or evolution-couchdb or couchdb-glib unfortunately :-/
[14:59] <dobey> rodrigo_: and in thunderbird i'm getting the "cannot open ubuntu one" message
[15:08] <rodrigo_> dobey, test programs in couchdb-glib work ok, so seems e-d-s
[15:08] <rodrigo_> and evo-couchdb used to work a couple weeks ago with system instance perfectly
[15:09] <rodrigo_> so something's broken in e-d-s
[15:09] <dobey> does it fail now with system couchdb for you?
[15:10] <dobey> rodrigo_: i guess something changed in e-d-s 3.x that evolution-couchdb needs to deal with.
[15:13] <jcastro> dobey: so hey, is that launch-time bug going to get any better? Or is that basically the best you can do?
[15:13] <rodrigo_> dobey, yes
[15:14] <rodrigo_> dobey, afaik not, and I've been using 3.1.x on my tests with the system couch
[15:14] <rodrigo_> so it's something on the last update
[15:14] <dobey> jcastro: not until 12.04; that's basicaly the best we can do for oneiric
[15:15] <jcastro> dobey: ok, can you leave that on the bug report? I guess we can resolve it for now so it's not on the release team death list?
[15:16] <dobey> jcastro: what other *startup* issue is there?
[15:16] <jcastro> startup is still way slower than before, but you said that's not your fault right?
[15:24] <dobey> jcastro: it seems to take the same amount of time to start up now, for me, regardless of whether the u1ms extension is installed or not
[15:25] <dobey> jcastro: also, i highly recommend this place: http://www.laspadashoagies.com/locations.php
[15:27] <dobey> must get lunch now...
[15:33] <rodrigo_> what do people have installed for flash stuff on the browser?
[15:34] <rodrigo_> I installed gnash, but some pages don't play anything
[15:34] <rodrigo_> and flashplugin-installer is broken right now
[15:34] <rodrigo_> can't install it, that is
[16:01] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, did you look anymore at this issue with the wallpaper shifting on startup?
[16:01] <chrisccoulson> 000:<:021e: 48: Request(1): CreateWindow depth=0x18 window=0x02000095 parent=0x02000004 x=5 y=0 width=3120 height=1050 border-width=0 class=InputOutput(0x0001) visual=0x00000021 value-list={background-pixel=0x00000000 border-pixel=0x00000000 bit-gravity=NorthWest(0x01) colormap=0x00000020}
[16:01] <chrisccoulson> looks suspicious to me ;)
[16:01] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I really didn't get the time to look at it more
[16:01] <didrocks> it's your wallpaper screensize?
[16:01] <chrisccoulson> didrocks - 3120 x 1050 is my display geometry
[16:02] <chrisccoulson> but x=5 looks wrong ;)
[16:02] <didrocks> indeed
[16:02] <chrisccoulson> now to figure out where that comes from
[16:02] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I shift the icons subwindow a little bit if unity is there
[16:02] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: but more than 5 (the value is hardcoded)
[16:03] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i don't think it's related to that
[16:03] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: and I try without any of our patches
[16:03] <didrocks> doesn't seem to be our fault :)
[16:04] <chrisccoulson> perhaps i should break on XCreateWindow ;)
[16:04] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: yeah, that's a wise idea :)
[16:37] <GunnarHj> didrocks: Hi Didier, any chance that you can sponsor another language-selector MP (before 21 UTC)? https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/language-selector/fontconfig/+merge/75045
[16:38] <didrocks> GunnarHj: sorry not today, it's unity/compiz release last run before beta2 freeze
[16:38] <didrocks> GunnarHj: maybe you can find people (patch pilot?) on #ubuntu-devel or anyone else here?
[17:06] <tkamppeter> Can someone upload gnome-settings-daemon before beta2 freeze? I have done a fix on it, bug 842768.
[17:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 842768 in gnome-settings-daemon "Cups notifies "printer ' xxx ' may be not connected " although printer is OK and printing is OK too" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/842768
[17:08] <dobey> jcastro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuSker-rLrM
[17:28] <GunnarHj> didrocks: Ok. Already tried patch pilots, but they don't seem to be present. I'll give it one more shot here...
[17:29] <GunnarHj> cjwatson: Hi Colin, do you possibly have time to sponsor a language-selector MP? https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/language-selector/fontconfig/+merge/75045
[17:29] <GunnarHj> (if somebody else who sees this has an opportunity to jump in, please let me know)
[17:40] <cjwatson> GunnarHj: really not, sorry
[17:41] <cjwatson> 2h before beta freeze and I have two branches to prepare for somebody else to review in time to be uploaded for that
[17:42] <GunnarHj> cjwatson: Ok. Guess it will have to wait, then. No disaster.
[17:51] <dobey> oh crap, beta freeze is today, not tuesday? :(
[19:20] <Sweetshark> jasoncwarner_: ping?
[21:41] <chrisccoulson> g'ah, no robert yet?
[21:42] <chrisccoulson> the latest lightdm breaks all policykit authorizations :(
[21:42] <james_w> not setting up  consolekit session correctly?
[21:47] <chrisccoulson> james_w - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/lightdm/+bug/851055/comments/8
[21:47] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 851055 in lightdm "[Oneiric] 'Not Authorized' error given when mounting device" [Critical,Triaged]
[22:00] <jcastro> hey chrisccoulson, is a new webkit keeping new epiphany out of oneiric?
[22:00] <chrisccoulson> jcastro, yeah, i think so
[22:01] <chrisccoulson> i don't follow that so much though
[22:01] <jcastro> ah bummer
[22:08] <Sweetshark> !seen jasoncwarner_
[22:08] <ubot2> I have no seen command
[22:08]  * Sweetshark hands ubot2 a cookie.
[22:12] <cyphermox> Sweetshark: I last saw jasoncwarner_ yesterday, about this time; maybe he's about to be reachable.
[22:13] <Sweetshark> cyphermox: thx
[22:13] <Sweetshark> chrisccoulson: monsters in your bed?
[22:14] <chrisccoulson> Sweetshark, how come?
[22:16] <Sweetshark> chrisccoulson: I just thought: "chris is logging of like any sensible european would do by now ;)"
[22:17] <chrisccoulson> heh
[22:17] <chrisccoulson> just trying to figure out what lightdm is doing wrong with PAM
[22:17] <chrisccoulson> i think i've figured it out now though
[22:17] <chrisccoulson> brb
[23:17] <TheMuso> chrisccoulson: Thanks for letting the channel know about lightdm issues, I'll hold off updating for the time being.
[23:17] <chrisccoulson> TheMuso, yeah, it breaks pretty much everything, including audio
[23:18] <TheMuso> Yep, I kinda need that. :)
[23:18] <chrisccoulson> i'll just upload a fix if robert doesn't appear in the next 20 minutes or so
[23:20] <pgraner> Has anyone seen the Panel with the Nautilus menu and nothing else after updating tonight? 3d session is totally useless
[23:21] <chrisccoulson> pgraner, i haven't seen that, but it sounds like the unity plugin is perhaps disabled
[23:21] <pgraner> chrisccoulson, how do I check to see?
[23:22] <chrisccoulson> pgraner, do you have ccsm installed?
[23:22] <pgraner> chrisccoulson, yep, however I'm in 2d right now
[23:22]  * pgraner wonders if that matters?
[23:23] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure if that works from the 2d session
[23:23] <chrisccoulson> i guess there's no reason why it shouldn't
[23:23] <pgraner> chrisccoulson, so in the 2d session it is checked
[23:23] <chrisccoulson> hmmm :/
[23:23] <chrisccoulson> might be a question for didrocks ;)
[23:24] <chrisccoulson> although, he's sleeping now
[23:24] <TheMuso> I am pretty sure ccsm works regardless of whether compiz is running.
[23:24] <chrisccoulson> i don't use the 3d session atm either
[23:24] <pgraner> chrisccoulson, yea, I was afraid of that
[23:25] <chrisccoulson> hah, it's robert_ancell
[23:25] <chrisccoulson> cornered!
[23:25] <pgraner> chrisccoulson, I saw this behavior once before earlier in the cycle
[23:25] <robert_ancell> it's a lie.  I'm actually someone else entirely
[23:25] <chrisccoulson> heh
[23:25] <TheMuso> lol
[23:25] <pgraner> chrisccoulson, I was afraid the bug might be back
[23:25] <htorque> pgraner: have you tried unity --reset? this should reset the compiz settings to unity's defaults and start unity (but i'm not sure what this will do to your 2d session)
[23:25] <chrisccoulson> pgraner, yeah, it seems a bit fragile :/
[23:26] <chrisccoulson> robert_ancell, it seems you broke the world with lightdm ;)
[23:26] <robert_ancell> oh awesome
[23:26] <pgraner> htorque, I'll try it, brb
[23:26] <chrisccoulson> robert_ancell, bug 851055
[23:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 851055 in lightdm "[Oneiric] 'Not Authorized' error given when mounting device" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/851055
[23:27] <chrisccoulson> robert_ancell, setting PAM_TTY to the console device path causes pam-ck-connector to create an additional CK session ;)
[23:27] <chrisccoulson> (breaking policykit)
[23:28] <robert_ancell> nice
[23:29] <chrisccoulson> :)
[23:30] <pgraner> htorque, will that did it but I lost all my previous settings... like ctl-alt-t for a new term :(
[23:30]  * pgraner wonders what this isn't default anymore
[23:30] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, what do you recommend? do we remove that change or is there a fix to what it should be set to?
[23:30] <chrisccoulson> robert_ancell, it seems that gdm sets PAM_TTY to the X display name, so we should probably do the same
[23:30] <htorque> pgraner: sorry for that :(
[23:31] <chrisccoulson> i didn't test that yet though, but that looks like it would stop pam-ck-connector from creating the extra session
[23:31] <pgraner> htorque, no worries, no I can get back to filing bugs :)
[23:33] <robert_ancell> chriswell, that's logical...
[23:33] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, that's logical...
[23:33] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[23:34] <chrisccoulson> that's what i thought when i looked at it too ;)
[23:37] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, ok, building a new version now...
[23:40] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, do you understand the urgency thing on debian/changelog?  Should I set it to more than the default of low?
[23:41] <chrisccoulson> robert_ancell, i don't think it has any effect in ubuntu
[23:41] <robert_ancell> yeah, that's what I figured
[23:41] <robert_ancell> ok, rebooting
[23:44] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, ok, that seems to fix it.  Are you amd64?  Could you confirm the fix?
[23:45] <chrisccoulson> robert_ancell, yeah, i'm on amd64
[23:45] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, actually it's probably faster to build from the branch.  I've just pushed the update
[23:46] <chrisccoulson> thanks, i'll do that
[23:49] <chrisccoulson> ok, brb
[23:51] <chrisccoulson> yay \o/ - "Sep 16 00:50:05 farnsworth lightdm: pam_ck_connector(lightdm:session): nox11 mode, ignoring PAM_TTY :0"
[23:51] <chrisccoulson> robert_ancell, yeah, that fixes it :)
[23:51] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, what log is that?
[23:51] <robert_ancell> nice
[23:51] <chrisccoulson> robert_ancell, auth.log, but i added "debug" in /etc/pam.d/common-session
[23:52] <chrisccoulson> (for pam_ck_connector.so)
[23:55] <robert_ancell> ok, uploaded new version.  Is Oneiric still open for uploads?
[23:56] <chrisccoulson> robert_ancell, it's frozen now, but i'll see if anyone in #ubuntu-release can approve it
[23:56] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, thanks for debugging this one
[23:57] <chrisccoulson> no problem, it was good to look at something else for a change :)


[02:26] <pleia2> phillw: usually when folks can't edit things it's because they either 1) didn't flush the cache in their browser or 2) their account isn't set up properly - they should review https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide/Registration
[02:27] <pleia2> a nickname is required in your single sign on account, and it gets that from launchpad, so to edit the wiki you need both (or linked)
[13:26] <belkinsa> Happy Easter all (this includes Orthodox).
[13:26] <belkinsa> pleia2, oh right, I forgot.
[13:43] <belkinsa> pleia2, could it be because the user only had a Ubuntu One account and no Launchpad account?
[14:35] <knome> belkinsa, that's what she said :)
[15:33] <belkinsa> Oh, then I misread it.
[15:38] <pleia2> probably should submit a ticket with Canonical about this, it's really tedious
[15:38]  * pleia2 gets to it
[15:40] <knome> meh,
[15:40] <knome> then point out to them that there's a problem with the QA tracker as well
[15:41] <knome> the tracker tells to "fill out a form" to login, but there is no from
[15:41] <knome> *form
[15:41] <knome> i believe it has something to do with people only having a ubuntu SSO when they try to log in
[15:41] <pleia2> I'd open a separate ticket for that, don't want brain explode
[15:42] <knome> :P
[15:42] <belkinsa> lol
[15:42] <knome> but it might be the same issue...
[15:42] <knome> what if you try to log in to the wiki with just a ubuntu sso account?
[15:43] <pleia2> I don't know if the same IS folks can handle wiki as qa tracker
[15:46] <pleia2> knome: Cc:ed you on the ticket, you're welcome to add a reply re: iso tracker ;)
[15:47] <knome> pleia2, gee, thanks
[15:47] <knome> :P
[15:51] <pleia2> I don't really understand the issue with the tracker, I've never seen it
[15:55] <knome> pleia2, yeah, but you don't have a ubuntu SSO account that's not a launchpad account
[15:55] <knome> i'd have to test stuff to triage that as well
[15:55] <pleia2> right :)
[15:55] <pleia2> I mean, I've never even had someone explain the issue they were having
[15:56] <pleia2> I don't even know the symptoms, can they not post to the tracker
[15:56] <pleia2> ?
[15:56] <knome> they can't log in
[15:56] <knome> they click log in
[15:56] <knome> the tracker tells them "fill this form"
[15:56] <belkinsa> shaunm, are you going to to the Open Help Conference?
[15:56] <knome> but there is no form
[15:57] <pleia2> so with the wiki they can log in, just can't edit
[15:57] <knome> aha
[15:57] <pleia2> I'd almost prefer not logging them in, at least it would be clear something is wrong ;)
[15:57] <knome> but i think it's the same bug, even if a different symptom
[15:57] <pleia2> instead they think "Oh, I guess my account isn't allowed to edit this page"
[15:58] <knome> because i believe the "form" they should fill would be a form to register/link a launchpad account and get a username...
[15:58] <pleia2> yeah
[15:58] <knome> so in a way, the tracker might be one step ahead
[15:58] <knome> even if it looks like it's regressing more
[15:58] <pleia2> yeah
[15:58] <pleia2> I still think it should be a separate bug, when bugs get big they take longer to resolve :\
[15:59] <pleia2> s/bug/ticket
[15:59] <knome> i guess...
[15:59] <knome> i should harrass the IS a lot in the future
[15:59] <knome> three tickets to file
[16:01] <pleia2> we must be their two favorite people :)
[16:02] <knome> absolutely
[16:02] <knome> though i've noticed my pull requests have been progressing faster lately
[20:04] <shaunm> belkinsa: I run the Open Help Conference
[20:04] <shaunm> so yes, I plan to attend :)
[20:31] <knome> shaunm, overrated. :)
[20:38] <shaunm> knome: yeah, I might just open the doors for the attendees then go for a drink ;)
[20:41] <knome> good idea!
[20:46] <belkinsa> It seems that someone is trying to get me to go.
[20:46] <belkinsa> shaunm, ^^^
[20:46] <knome> belkinsa, if you can, go
[20:47] <belkinsa> I need to check with my parents first, since I still live with them.
[20:47] <knome> that's part of "being able"
[20:47] <belkinsa> Good point.
[20:49] <shaunm> belkinsa: are you the one who lives in West Chester?
[20:49] <belkinsa> Yes.
[20:49] <belkinsa> Why?
[20:50] <shaunm> just curious, making sure I'm remembering who's who
[20:50] <shaunm> nothing better than spending the weekend downtown
[20:50] <shaunm> IMO
[20:51] <belkinsa> Good point.
[20:51] <belkinsa> Though I am down there to get to and from UC main campus two of the five days of the week.
[21:11] <shaunm> belkinsa: you go all the way downtown to get to UC?
[21:11] <shaunm> bus?
[21:12] <shaunm> our bus system is so hub-and-spoke
[21:13] <shaunm> with only one hub :/
[21:20] <belkinsa> Yup, there is a express that goes to West Chester and I take the Plus to campus (and back too).  And I do agree that our system is poor and Metro needs an agreement with Butler's system
[21:21]  * belkinsa hates driving
[22:31] <belkinsa> shaunm, do you have any suggestions on where to park for Open Help Conference
[22:58] <shaunm> belkinsa: garfield suites has a garage. not sure how much it costs
[22:58] <shaunm> on sunday, though, I don't think the meters are checked, so you could just park on the street
[22:59] <shaunm> or you could take the bus. the venue is maybe four blocks from the bus station
[23:00] <belkinsa> I was thinking of taking the bus from Tri-Country but I think you can't use the parking lot of the old Wallmart as a park and ride.  Though I could do it from Blue Ash Campus.
[23:01] <belkinsa> It's a shame that nothing as a normal city route comes to West Chester.


[04:58] <ShawnR> grumble:
[04:58] <ShawnR> configure: error: Package requirements (gtk+-2.0  >= 2.16
[04:58] <ShawnR>    gdk-2.0 >= 2.18
[04:58] <ShawnR>    gthread-2.0
[04:58] <ShawnR>    gnome-vfs-2.0 >= 2.2
[04:58] <ShawnR>    gconf-2.0
[04:58] <ShawnR>    swfdec-gtk-0.9
[04:58] <ShawnR>    gstreamer-0.10
[04:58] <ShawnR>    gstreamer-interfaces-0.10) were not met:
[04:58] <ShawnR> anyone know how to get around this?
[04:59] <ShawnR> it tells me "no package 'whateverismissing' found"
[04:59] <ShawnR> i'm trying to use swftools for a project and this is "flashextractor" which is just a GUI wrapper for the command line