[02:31] <pmatulis> how do i deploy a node using the cli?
[02:31] <pmatulis> (v.1.8)
[09:46] <mup> Bug #1518226 opened: Option to add ipmipower args via webUI <canonical-bootstack> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1518226>
[09:52] <caribou> Hello, is anyone familiar with how the booloading (BIOS/UEFI) is handled in Maas ?
[10:32] <nagyz> hi guys
[10:32] <nagyz> I'm trying to figure out what happens when I have a server on two MAAS-managed networks (one provisioning, one "public")
[10:33] <nagyz> it seems to be that the default gateway will be set based on which interface is the first one in the alphabet :-)
[10:33] <nagyz> same for DNS
[12:17] <matt_dupre> Hi: I've just upgraded from 1.5 to 1.8.3, but I'm now seeing 503 errors trying to connect to http://<server>/MAAS/
[12:18] <matt_dupre> The apache error log says "Connection refused [...] attempt to connect to <IP_ADDRESS>:5240 (localhost) failed".  Nothing's listening on port 5240.  Does anyone have any ideas what this could be?
[13:45] <Haris> hello all
[13:45] <Haris> what's maas for ubuntu ?
[13:45] <Haris> is it something like .. if I needed running 2 or more VMs on the same machine, and I didn't have vmware, I'd use maas to do it ?
[13:47] <Haris> os is it like a PXE ?
[13:54] <roaksoax> Haris: MAAS is a deployment tool, that not only deploys Ubuntu but other operating systems
[13:54] <Haris> so, its a PXE ?
[13:54] <Haris> replacement ?
[13:55] <roaksoax> Haris: it does PXE, UEFI, Grub net booting
[13:55] <roaksoax> Haris: but it is not a "PXE replacement"
[13:55] <roaksoax> Haris: PXE is an underlying technology
[13:56] <Haris> I see
[13:56] <Haris> is maas a web tool ?
[13:56] <Haris> or just the front end
[13:59] <roaksoax> Haris: maas provides a WebUI and a CLI, so you can do the same thing via those two interfaces
[14:00] <roaksoax> Haris: so it is a software tool that incorporates other technologies (PXE, DHCP, DNS< Proxy), and provides users with a WebUI and a CLI Interface to control it
[14:00] <Haris> ah ok
[14:00] <Haris> cool
[14:14] <mup> Bug #1518226 changed: Option to add ipmipower args via webUI <canonical-bootstack> <MAAS:Opinion> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1518226>
[14:20] <mup> Bug #1518226 opened: Option to add ipmipower args via webUI <canonical-bootstack> <MAAS:Opinion> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1518226>
[14:31] <Haris> thank you all
[14:32] <mup> Bug #1518226 changed: Option to add ipmipower args via webUI <canonical-bootstack> <MAAS:Opinion> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1518226>
[14:37] <tinks> quit
[15:08] <matt_dupre> So I figured by problem above out: /var/log/maas/maas.log was owned by syslog, but the user responsible for logging changed during the upgrade to maas, so maas-regiond was unable to write to the log
[15:09] <matt_dupre> s/by/my/
[15:41] <los> Has anyone ever noticed that when you do dpkg-reconfigure on a cluster controller (without a regional) to point to a regional somewhere else....it might "ignore" your URL to the API and try the lo and another address <IP_ADDRESS>?
[15:42] <los> I can lynx the API and get a login from this VM, no problem, but the logs don't mention failing to connect to my URL I put into the reconfigure.
[15:43] <los> ...and dpkg-reconfigure maas-cluster-controller takes a really long time to initially start and get into the CUI, if that's a clue
[15:47] <los> The <IP_ADDRESS> is one of the local interfaces
[15:55] <roaksoax> los: do you have an examepl?
[15:55] <roaksoax> los: or a pb ?
[15:56] <los> roaksoax:pb?
[15:57] <los> roaksoax: 2015-11-20 09:55:56-0600 [Uninitialized] Event-loop maasr6:pid=1101 (<IP_ADDRESS>:5251): Connection was refused by other side: 111: Connection refused. 2015-11-20 09:55:56-0600 [Uninitialized] Event-loop maasr6:pid=1101 (<IP_ADDRESS>:5251): Connection was refused by other side: 111: Connection refused. 2015-11-20 09:56:26-0600 [-] Event-loop maasr6:pid=1101 (<IP_ADDRESS>:5251): User timeout caused connection failure.
[15:57] <los> Even though I've set the MAAS API URL to something totally different, its not in those clusterd.log 's
[15:58] <los> roaksoax: Even though I can Lynx to that URL no problem, login, see stuff etc. from that same host
[15:58] <los> roaksoax: the cluster-only host has that <IP_ADDRESS> address
[15:59] <los> roaksoax: I read the logs as "I'm gonna connect to localhost on a few ports to see a regional, and I'll try my own IP"
[15:59] <los> roaksoax: But I can't find that IP in any grep-able file
[16:00] <roaksoax> los: /etc/maas/clusterd.conf is where the cluster knows where to contact the region controller
[16:00] <roaksoax> .win 22
[16:01] <los> roaksoax: looking
[16:02] <los> roaksoax: It has the right URL.  I will bounce server.
[16:02] <los> roaksoax: .win 22 = Old Yeller Headache?
[16:02] <los> roaksoax: as one pal of my says, "Kevork it"
[16:06] <roaksoax> los: so it has the right URL where to connect to MAAS Region ?
[16:06] <los> roaksoax: yep
[16:06] <roaksoax> los: did you add a shared secret ?
[16:06] <los> roaksoax: yep, even the right one :)
[16:06] <los> (this time)
[16:07] <roaksoax> los: that's strange there, shows that it failed due to a timeout
[16:11] <los> roaksoax: I thought the key part that was interesting is that the 10.13.x.x host I have the regional+cluster ("R+C1") is not mentioned.  This is the 2nd attempted cluster controller ("C2")
[16:11] <los> roaksoax: I'm assuming "if you can lynx it and get a login, you're good"
[16:13] <los> roaksoax: Ohhhhhhh I bet the API doesn't work with the port specifier?
[16:13] <los> roaksoax: (If that's the case the logging is bugged)
[16:21] <roaksoax> los: what does your clusterd.conf show ?
[16:22] <los> roaksoax: cluster_uuid: eea5c60a-4fcc-41a4-b141-30ca1b77c177 maas_url: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8946/MAAS
[16:22] <los> (two lines)
[16:23] <roaksoax> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8946/MAAS -> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:5240/MAAS
[16:23] <los> roaksoax: clusterd.conf owned root, group maas, 640
[16:23] <roaksoax> los: or: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/MAAS
[16:26] <los> roaksoax: 8946->80
[16:26] <los> roaksoax: Its in a VM under Vbox, I know, not supported, but its what I got :)
[16:27] <roaksoax> los: right so the region binds to 5240, buyt apache is there to proxy from 80->5140
[16:27] <roaksoax> los: right so the region binds to 5240, buyt apache is there to proxy from 80->5240
[16:28] <los> roaksoax: ok, cool, so I'm forwarding in 8946 on the vmhost to the vm's 80...should I forward more?  Is there some reverse DNS problem?  Why is the clusterd not logging a connection attempt?  (no sign it "sees" the MAAS API Url as set by dpkg-reconfigure)
[16:30] <los> Is it a problem that the clusterd is otherwise not configured....aka, the 2nd interface on the C2 VM hasn't been setup yet
[16:35] <roaksoax> los: my guess is that the forwarding is interfering here
[16:36] <los> roaksoax: Can you give me an idea of the forwarding requirements?  5240->5240?
[16:37] <roaksoax> los: yeah I'd do that
[16:42] <los> roaksoax: using iptraf: can see local socket connection attempts to local ip <IP_ADDRESS> on ports 5250, 5253, now 5252
[16:43] <los> roaksoax: I have those forwarded on the R+C1 vm, but, that's the wrong IP.  Its "ignoring my MAAS API" and trying local
[16:43] <los> roaksoax: On the R+C1 vm host, I have 5250-3 forwarded into the R+C1 vm but no traffic on that
[16:44] <mup> Bug #1518067 changed: multi-network node could get wrong default gateway that prevents deploy <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1518067>
[16:46] <los> roaksoax: This is interesting:
[16:46] <los> │┌<IP_ADDRESS>:39872                                            =       5           300   S---      eth0     │ │└<IP_ADDRESS>:5251                                          =       0             0   ----      eth0     │
[16:46] <los> │└<IP_ADDRESS>:5251                                          =       0             0   ----      eth0     │
[16:47] <los> iptraf shows it making a connection from the NAT side network, to an address that I've used for things before but don't have in /etc/network/interfaces at all
[16:48] <los> roaksoax: I have eth0, enp0s8, and lo....s8 is totally unconfigured.
[16:51] <los> roaksoax: Ok, I configured the enp0s8 network (That will be the private MaaS network) now I'm getting the connection refused msgs 1/sec, but just the two last ones, the 'refused by other side'
[16:51] <los> roaksoax: The third (first showing) message with "Timeout" is gone
[16:53] <los> roaksoax: And...now the dpkg-reconfigure maas-cluster-configure is not slow to start!  Aha!
[16:53] <los> roaksoax: Changed the URL to <IP_ADDRESS>/MAAS and now I get a fast fail from twisted.... 404
[16:55] <los> roaksoax: Aha, totally different clusterd.log, after changing the URL to <IP_ADDRESS>:5240/MAAS and having the 5240->5240 mapping
[16:55] <los> 2015-11-19 13:41:08-0600 [-] Site starting on 5248 2015-11-19 13:41:08-0600 [-] TFTP starting on 69 2015-11-19 13:41:08-0600 [-] Starting protocol <tftp.protocol.TFTP instance at 0x7f06b03b8998> 2015-11-19 13:41:08-0600 [-] TFTP Listener started at <IP_ADDRESS>:69 2015-11-19 13:41:08-0600 [-] TFTP starting on 69 2015-11-19 13:41:08-0600 [-] Starting protocol <tftp.protocol.TFTP instance at 0x7f06b03b8cf8> 2015-11-19 13:41:08-0600 [-] TFTP Lis
[16:56] <los> 2015-11-19 13:41:08-0600 [Uninitialized] Region not available: Connection was refused by other side: 111: Connection refused. (While requesting RPC info at http://localhost:5240/MAAS/rpc/)
[16:56] <los> roaksoax: iptraf now shows its reaching out to the right <IP_ADDRESS>!  Closer!
[17:04] <los> roaksoax: On the R+C1 machine, Apache says: Nov 20 11:03:39 maasr6 sh[1091]: 2015-11-20 11:03:39 [-] <IP_ADDRESS> - - [20/Nov/2015:17:03:38 +0000] "GET /MAAS/rpc/ HTTP/1.0" 2 00 364 "-" "provisioningserver.rpc.clusterservice.ClusterClientService"
[17:06] <los> roaksoax: 2015-11-20 11:06:29-0600 [Uninitialized] Region not available: Connection was refused by other side: 111: Connection refused. (While requesting RPC info at http://<IP_ADDRESS>:5240/MAAS/rpc/).
[17:06] <los> Better...but not good
[17:08] <roaksoax> los: right, so that means the cluster, for whatever reason, can't reach to the region
[17:08] <los> roaksoax: On the R+C1 machine, when I curl localhost:5240 I get               <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="0;URL=MAAS/">               click here
[17:08] <roaksoax> los: might be the forwarding
[17:08] <los> roaksoax: On C2 machine I get ConnRefused so I'm baffled but on it
[17:08] <los> For the good of all MaaSKind, lolz
[17:09] <roaksoax> los: this is what happens, the cluster connects to region on that IP/port, and the Region tells the cluster "this are my 4 endpoints, on different ports, because I have multiple daemons running"
[17:09] <roaksoax> los: so that's the problem I'd think
[17:09] <roaksoax> los: the cluster cannot connect to the endpoints
[17:09] <los> roaksoax: Do I need to forward a range of ports, 5240-X -> 5240-X?
[17:13] <roaksoax> los: "Firewall ports for Region and Cluster controller communication
[17:13] <roaksoax> The communication between Region and Cluster controller is now limited to use the ports between 5250 and 5259. For all of those users who are using a remote cluster (not running on the same machine as the MAAS Region Controller), need to ensure that these ports are open in the firewall."
[17:13] <los> roaksoax: Aha, forsooth!
[17:16] <los> roaksoax: Ok, curl to the 5240 is getting me the "click here" html"
[17:26] <los> roaksoax: Ok, I get this msg 3x: 2015-11-20 11:26:04-0600 [Uninitialized] Event-loop maasr6:pid=1096 (<IP_ADDRESS>:5252): Connection was refused
[17:27] <roaksoax> uhmm
[17:27] <los> roaksoax: ...but the IP changes: I get back a <IP_ADDRESS>, which is (I'm thinking) dispensed by the regional, which is an unroutable
[17:27] <los> roaksoax: So, "Oh, I contact the regional, and it gave me an address and I'm gonna connect and its no good, try these other interfaces address he gave me and loopback too"
[17:27] <roaksoax> bladernr_: ^^
[17:27] <roaksoax> err
[17:27] <roaksoax> blake_r: ^^
[17:28] <los> roaksoax: I appreciate the help: I recognize this is all virtualbox hooey
[17:28] <roaksoax> blake_r: any ideas? seems that region might be sending back loopback to cluster ?
[17:32] <los> roaksoak: I changed the local private maas nets on both the R+C1 machine and C2 machines to non-192.168.66.x addresses (.44 and .88) and then it went bonkers.  Log ceased...a couple timeouts...long pauses...so I'm bouncing both hosts
[17:35] <los> roaksoax: Ok, this is cool: the .88 address is showing up in the C2 machine's logs, so R+C1 machine is dispensing it back to the C2 machine, ergo, this is all a consequence of the virtual box and unroutables
[17:36] <los> roaksoax: Clear as a day, the Regional is passing back ALL the interfaces addresses that are non-loopback, and then the Cluster controller is trying them all....I see iptraf on the C machine attempting to connect out to <IP_ADDRESS>, which is the R+C1 machines private MaaS network for the "dummies" to boot off.
[17:36] <los> of
[17:43] <los> Roaksoax: taking lunch.  Will work this more when I get back.  Will be looking at netstat to see what's listening on the R+C1 box, etc.
[18:12] <mup> Bug #1518414 opened: NVMe model info/serial number is not seen <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1518414>
[18:15] <mup> Bug #1518414 changed: NVMe model info/serial number is not seen <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1518414>
[18:18] <mup> Bug #1518414 opened: NVMe model info/serial number is not seen <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1518414>
[19:35] <los> roaksoax: So my region controller is just happy as can be: 2015-11-20 13:35:03 [-] <IP_ADDRESS> - - [20/Nov/2015:19:35:02 +0000] "GET /MAAS/rpc/ HTTP/1.0" 200 364 "-" "provisioningserver.rpc.clusterservice.ClusterClientService"
[19:36] <los> roaksoax: should that be on the loopback?
[19:40] <los> roaksoax: hahahaha the R+C1 machine has localhost:5240 in its cluster controller config!
[19:44] <los> roaksoax: Wow: I provisioned the R+C1 machine with two interfaces, and I config'd the maas-region-controller with that (NAT outbound) interface up and the other one (MaaS private) unconfigured and its my bad...MaaS picked the only up network as the private one
[19:54] <los> roaksoax: I get one of these when I trigger a restart through dpkg: 2015-11-20 13:53:20-0600 [HTTPPageGetter,client] Region is not advertising RPC endpoints.
[20:06] <mup> Bug #1518440 opened: tgt fails to install in LXD <MAAS:Triaged> <tgt:New> <tgt (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1518440>
[20:09] <mup> Bug #1518440 changed: tgt fails to install in LXD <MAAS:Triaged> <tgt:New> <tgt (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1518440>
[20:10] <los> roaksoax: Doc bug: right above this link, the sentence just.... https://maas.ubuntu.com/docs/install.html#disc-install
[20:12] <mup> Bug #1518440 opened: tgt fails to install in LXD <MAAS:Triaged> <tgt:New> <tgt (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1518440>
[20:15] <mup> Bug #1518440 changed: tgt fails to install in LXD <MAAS:Triaged> <tgt:New> <tgt (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1518440>
[20:18] <mup> Bug #1518440 opened: tgt fails to install in LXD <MAAS:Triaged> <tgt:New> <tgt (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1518440>
[22:33] <nagyz> can someone enlighten me how would you manage DNS if you have two different subnets, like an internal and an external?
[22:34] <nagyz> if a node has IPs on both... currently MAAS only registers the A record for the alphabetically first interface


[21:26] <sabhain> mythtv wiki is down .. haven't seen that before
[21:35] <SteveGoodey> Should be fixed now.
[21:36] <SteveGoodey> wagnerrp broke it trying to stop spam accounts.
[21:50] <sabhain> SteveGoodey thanks!


 On Lubuntu 18.10, I tried using alternatives configurator to change default browser from Firefox to Chromium... it's not sticking. I then even tried to use "sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser" and "sudo update-alternatives --config gnome-www-browser" to chromium and still no go... I then even tried to delete Firefox so l
[15:19] <jaggiJ> I am preparing to leave windows behind. Now question. My external HDD is NTFS, linux can read it but not write to it. Correct ?
 @jaggiJ [<jaggiJ> I am preparing to leave windows behind. Now question. My external HDD i …], By default I think NTFS-3g does not mount it to write, but there is guides out there to do so 👍
[15:20] <jaggiJ> Ah, so linux wont read neither write to standard NTFS, and when I convert it to NTFS-3G I will be able to read it, and possibly to write to it ?
 Tbh I haven't tried it in a while, so maybe now NTFS-3g will mount as rw? ... No need to convert. NTFS-3g is how Linux distributions handle NTFS, same with custom Android ROMs 👍
[15:22] <genii> Linux should be able to both read and write to NTFS so long as the filesystem is marked clean and Windows has no hiberfil.sys file on the drive
[15:25] <jaggiJ> I could also copy content of that HDD away and format it for linux, though always good to have option for other systems to at least read from it
 No worries bud, yeah I'd recommend reading into NTFS-3g. It's really handy for any Linux distro, even the MacOS port is good too for mounting NTFS partitions as rw 👍
[15:27] <genii> exfat seems to be gaining more popularity for shared filesystems, all current platforms have drivers for it ( *nix, MacOS, Windows, Android )
[15:30] <jaggiJ> I recon: I ll stay with NTFS for a while and use -3g to rw from it. When I have time and opportunity I format it to exfat for portability.
 Sounds like a good plan to me bud 👍
[15:34] <jaggiJ> Ok, thanks for help .
[18:43] <wxl> so which site did you download from?
 lubuntu.net ... if you about this. ... and <wxl>  ... what is it?)
[18:45] <wxl> @amrlxxx that's not the official website. lubuntu.me is. and you need to check the hashes regardless to limit the possibility of download errors
 ouuuuuu
 lubuntu.me ... ok
 @wxl [<wxl> @amrlxxx that's not the official website. lubuntu.me is. and you need to c …], it does not depend on which version I choose? ... and because i install ubuntu in parallel with windows?
[18:55] <wxl> @amrlxxx without answering the other questions, who knows, but I can tell you this: I have had people who have had problems getting YUMI to work correctly and I can imagine EasyBCD would be similarly problematic.
 ok, thank you
 how i can check  the hashes?
[19:24] <wxl> !hashes
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/SYnBI1y.jpg
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/vCNTzFE.jpg
 maybe dont use easybsd?
[20:51] <wxl> @amrlxxx we don't test with EasyBCD so that's the wildcard i can't speak to. i would avoid it. we tried to figure out what was wrong with the YUMI install and couldn't figure it out. then the user didn't use YUMI and it worked. so it's probably EasyBCD.
 I would not use EasyBCD or YUMI
 in my recent tests even with similar tools (multiboot, etc.) it's not worked properly for installs
 straight ISO onto a disk, that's the way to do it
 (Rufus, `guidus`, etc.)
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://i.imgur.com/yXi6UYo.jpg
 what is it?
 that'd indicate it's trying to access a floppy disk
 you can ignore it if you don't have one
 (your BIOS might have it enabled when one isn't present, that happens to me in some VMs)
 I chose easybcd to automatically load lubuntu, how can I get to windows?)
[21:14] <wxl> ask EasyBcD?
[21:14] <wxl> or are you saying how would you do it if you did NOT use EasyBCD?
 Install Grub into the Master Boot Record
[21:15] <wxl> which the installer should do for you...
 there are bootloader parameters in the program and there I put a check (yes) in front of lubuntu
 now lubuntu automatically load
[21:16] <wxl> the long and short of it is we do not support easybcd. anything related to it is not something we can help with
 ^ that
[21:17] <wxl> we'd LIKE to help, but we can't help with something we have no experience with at all.
[21:17] <wxl> i'm also, as teward said, very skeptical of such tools
 No, I mean, how can I get to the selection (boot) menu from where will I boot? ... we dont now?
 we don't know easybcd
 so we can't make any attestations and statements
[21:19] <wxl> if you use the default installer, which uses grub, you can hold down the shift key when booting and it will give you a selection of options to boot to
 Start Lubuntu, open a terminal and execute `sudo update-grub`. If it does not find your Windows, you have to fix the winloader
 And maybe you have deleted your Windows?
 no
 @aptghetto [And maybe you have deleted your Windows?], .
 I see only two NTFS partitions, a logical and a primary one. Afaik Windows has to be installed on a primary partition, but 8 GiB is not enough
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/IMkGGHR.jpg
 You have to boot the installed Lubuntu, not the live system
 i dont have lubuntu
 i will instaled
 but
 The installation was successful or not?
 no
 i just can't get into windows
 )
[21:31] <wxl> then you have a problem with easybcd, no?
 Check the content of your partitions if your Windows is still existing
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/Jh0vvTz.jpg sda1 its disk C ... sda2 its Disk D ... sda 3 its iso lubuntu
[21:34] <teward> you could try booting into Lubuntu, install boot-repair, and see if it detects the partitions as valid
[21:34] <teward> that's pretty thorough with its detections
[21:34] <teward> (you can probably restore Windows bootloader to some extent there...)
[21:34] <teward> (not that I'd suggest that...)
[21:34] <teward> wxl: you need to be on telegram directly lol
[21:34] <teward> so i don't have to ALSO run irc alongside it >.<
 :)
[21:35] <wxl> nahhhh that's no fun
 ohhhhh
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://i.imgur.com/tRxeGAw.jpg
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/f7B874a.jpg
 my windows
 :):)
 cool
[23:35] <sixpack> Hello all! I am wondering about the rendering backend option in special effects... Anyone know the difference in the two options? I have integrated ATI gpu and don't know what setting would better to use.
[23:38] <wxl> sixpack: roughly put, x render is "simpler"
[23:39] <wxl> give glx a try and unless it's causing problems enjoy :)
[23:39] <wxl> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GLX
[23:41] <sixpack> wxl: ya glx seems to work fine and the older games I play like HL2 and Source work very well with the glx option
[23:42] <sixpack> wxl: thank you for the help
[23:42] <wxl> np


[23:46] <Rinchen> nixternal, do you get the fridge-devel moderator messages?  I go in and clean them up a few times a week


[00:09] <muka> looks like I'm finally able to tether, but how can I seep it up?
[00:09] <muka> speed
[00:39] <mhall119> cwayne: why can I never add an untappd account to Online Accounts?
[01:21] <cwayne> mhall119: signon plugin was updated and broke it :/ fix is stuck in a silo for a month
[02:41] <HellsZNC> join server irc.deadchildren.info join channel #HELLNET
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[05:06] <liuxg_>  does anyone know how to use the alertDialog  in Webview at https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/Ubuntu.Web.WebView/?
[06:26] <dholbach> good morning
[08:33] <popey> Is there an image for nexus 7, which has vivid and updates ?
[08:34] <popey> (i.e. which channel should I use for getting a Nexus 7 image which is comparable to a bq / meizu one)
[08:35] <ogra_> popey, ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu
[08:35] <popey> thanks ogra_
[08:35] <ogra_> the community buiold (no HERE)
[08:37] <popey> perfect
[08:51] <sil2100> pitti: hey, once we get all the translations done and verified, would it be possible for you to run the translation upload job manually for us?
[08:52] <pitti> sil2100: I can, but we first need a Launchpad export
[08:52] <sil2100> Since I guess the auto-uploads are happening on Tuesdays, right?
[08:52] <pitti> and after that lands, we run the langpack build automatically anyway
[08:52] <pitti> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/vivid/+language-packs
[08:52] <pitti> we should actually get one today
[08:53] <pitti> but the export might already be running, so it could have missed my German translations from an hour ago
[08:53] <pitti> let's ask wgrant in #u-devel
[08:54] <sil2100> pitti: I think we also have some unverified spanish translations
[08:54] <pitti> ah, so those would be missing either way
[08:55] <sil2100> Yeah, if we missed the export, will we be able to re-trigger it somehow?
[08:55] <pitti> sil2100: yes, wgrant can re-run them
[08:56] <pitti> I pinged in #u-devel
[08:56] <pitti> wgrant | pitti: Not for another 90 minutes.
[08:56] <pitti> sil2100: so if we can get them verified in the next 1.5 h, it's all good
[08:57] <pitti> ah, jibel is just asking fgimenez about those
[08:58] <sil2100> \o/
[09:01] <popey> ogra_: checked again, krillin and arale very comparable scrolling speed in browser viewing news.bbc.co.uk
[09:01] <ogra_> popey, not here
[09:01]  * popey shrugs
[09:01] <ogra_> scrolling in my G+ app on both devices i see the arale draw the tiles
[09:09] <ogra_> popey, what i note on the arale is that it feels a lot snappier with adjusted GU
[09:09] <popey> interesting
[09:09] <ogra_> i wonder if the slowness comes from some downscaling that happens or some such
[09:15] <ogra_> uh, oh
[09:15] <ogra_> "Your membership in ubuntumembers is about to expire"
[09:15]  * ogra_ quickly renews
[09:20]  * popey notes victorp expired from ubuntumembers over the weekend. victorp want me to add you back in?
[09:29] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Upsy Daisy Day! 😃
[09:35] <SturmFlut> good morning
[09:40] <SturmFlut> dholbach, popey, dpm: Ping
[09:41] <popey> SturmFlut: wassup
[09:41] <dholbach> SturmFlut, pong
[09:41] <SturmFlut> Nice, synchronized pongs
[09:44] <dholbach> dpm, SturmFlut just pinged me about his ideas for an app contest - maybe you can take a look later on?
[09:45] <dholbach> although I guess you're going to be busy catching up
[09:45] <SturmFlut> psst! ;)
[09:46] <dpm> hi SturmFlut, dholbach, I'm still catching up, yes. I think I saw a link to a doc on my inbox, is everything on the doc?
[09:46] <dholbach> yeah, dpm was just away for a week, so I imagine his inbox to have exploded :)
[09:46] <dholbach> dpm, yes, should be
[09:46] <dholbach> dpm, the idea was to have a hangout together to talk some more about ideas
[09:46] <SturmFlut> dpm: Yes, hasn't changed for a few days now, should be quite stable
[09:47] <dpm> SturmFlut, dholbach, cool, thanks, I will have a look at it today
[09:48] <dholbach> <3
[09:48] <SturmFlut> \o/
[09:50] <SturmFlut> Does anybody here do a lot of system-level debugging on the phone? Not gdb, but ps, top, etc. and maybe even stuff like ftrace. I'm working on a new article and could need some input.
[10:28] <zyga> hi
[10:29] <popey> hello
[10:47] <sil2100> pitti: the translation export happened already, do you know? If yes, could you make sure the new translations are uploaded to the overlay PPA? :) We'd like to kick a new image once those are in
[10:49] <pitti> sil2100: it's happening right now (takes a few hours)
[10:49] <pitti> sil2100: it'll appear on https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/vivid/+language-packs
[10:50] <sil2100> Ok, thanks
[10:50] <sil2100> Will be watching that one closely
[11:15] <sil2100> pitti: oh, I see a delta from 2015-06-08 13:12:54 CEST - will the translations be now auto-uploaded, or do you have to force it manually?
[11:16] <pitti> sil2100: no, it has been cron'ed for several weeks already
[11:16] <pitti> sil2100: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay has langpacks from June 1 (previous LP export)
[11:16] <pitti> sil2100: ah, the LP export is ready now
[11:17] <sil2100> pitti: yep :) I know it's cronned, but I was wondering what we can do to get the new ones uploaded :D
[11:17] <pitti> sil2100: so I can trigger the update now, instead of tomorrow, if that helps
[11:17] <sil2100> Yes, we would be super grateful
[11:18] <pitti> running
[11:18] <sil2100> Thanks!
[11:22] <victorp> popey, please :)
[11:23] <popey> done
[11:37] <SturmFlut> dobey, ogra_ : ping
[11:38] <ogra_> SturmFlut, whats up ?
[11:39] <SturmFlut> ogra_: Quick question! When you're debugging system and process issues on the device, which tools do you use? ps, top, vmstat, strace, tcpdump, anything else?
[11:39] <ogra_> usually ps and top and logs
[11:40] <ogra_> i rarely work on stuff that requires anything beyond that
[11:40] <SturmFlut> ogra_: anything "advanced", like ftrace?
[11:40] <ogra_> s/work on/used to work on/
[11:40] <ogra_> not for the stuff i usually do ...
[11:41] <ogra_> my main environemnt are scripts, init jobs/services etc
[11:41] <SturmFlut> Okay, thanks a lot!
[11:41] <ogra_> (or the initrd)
[11:41] <ogra_> if you actually need to debug binaries thats indeed more tricky
[11:41] <ogra_> (gdb, strace, valgrind )
[11:43] <SturmFlut> ogra_: Yeah, I'll get into strace in a future article.
[11:43] <ogra_> though thats all easy ... it gets really funny if you need to debug something in the android container :)
[11:44] <ogra_> (for which you need bionic linked binaries you need to cross build yourself)
[11:47] <SturmFlut> ogra_: I noticed that everything in the Android container runs unconfined. Will that change at some point?
[11:47] <ogra_> i doubt that
[11:47] <ogra_> it might run unconfined, but it is inside a container :)
[11:50] <SturmFlut> ogra_: Jep. it still has full access to anything, including things like /dev/kmem, right?
[11:51] <ogra_> it has its own /dev
[11:51] <ogra_> (and its own /proc)
[11:51] <ogra_> but yes, if there are identical devices in both /dev trees both systems have access to them
[11:51] <ogra_> and the in-container bits have it unconfined
[11:52] <stgraber> SturmFlut: yep, it can access any device node and so do whatever it wants on the phone. There's really no way around this though. We use Android for hardware initialization and management...
[11:52] <stgraber> even if we restricted it to the bare minimum it needs, it'd still be allowed access to the firmware interface in the kernel which lets it do just about anything (not to mention that most of the devices it's pushing firmware to, can then do DMA) :)
[11:53] <ogra_> SturmFlut, the img that gets mounted under /system is readonly ... and lives on a readonly device, breaking out of that to make any changes to the img isnt actually possible on the running system
[11:53] <SturmFlut> ogra_, stgraber: Thanks a lot. I'm just asking to confirm that I've got it right.
[11:53] <ogra_> so if you wanted to inject something you would have to do it from an unlocked recovery
[11:54] <ogra_> where you can mount that img RW
[11:56] <SturmFlut> ogra_: My thought was that I don't really trust all those proprietary Android bits in the container, so it might be interesting to confine them, but at the end it's like stgraber already said, still too many possibilities to mess with the system.
[11:56] <ogra_> right, all we can do here is make it hard to change the contents ...
[11:57] <ogra_> in case of "normal" phones where the recovery.img has no adb you shouldnt have an easy way to tinker with it
[11:58] <SturmFlut> Glad I got this right
[11:58] <pitti> sil2100: updated langpacks are in the overlay PPA
[11:59] <SturmFlut> pitti: Have you found anybody who'll help you with systemd?
[12:00] <pitti> SturmFlut: several people raised interest (but more like "drive-by" contributions), and I got one volunteer for more in-depth maintenance
[12:01] <SturmFlut> pitti: Great! I have no clue about init systems, otherwise I would've stepped up :/
[12:04] <SturmFlut> stgraber: May I ask you the same question about which tools you usually use to debug system and process activity?
[12:11] <sil2100> pitti: excellent, I see the notification
[12:11] <sil2100> Thanks again
[12:16] <SturmFlut> rsalveti, ondra: Ping
[12:30] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: forgot to mention, i fixed the failing test in keyboard navigation. hope it is all good now
[12:40] <rsalveti> SturmFlut: pong
[13:00] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, thanks, I’ll take another look
[13:45] <kenvandine> Elleo, i added a test for file uris in my url-dispatcher-tests branch, can you give it another review?
[13:45] <kenvandine> and the backport branch too
[13:45] <Elleo> kenvandine: sure thing
[13:45] <kenvandine> Elleo, thx
[13:46] <Elleo> no problem :)
[13:50] <jgdx> kenvandine, I don't know if APN and MMSC should be translated. mpt, any thoughts?
[13:51] <kenvandine> i wouldn't think those would be translatable, but i'm not an expert
[13:51] <jgdx> I think yes for APN and no for MMSC.
[13:51] <mpt> jgdx, translators would know that better than I do
[13:51] <kenvandine> really?
[13:51] <kenvandine> would you find carrier help pages that refer to APN as something else?
[13:51] <jgdx> in Norwegian, yes.
[13:51] <kenvandine> seb128, ^^ what do you think?
[13:52] <kenvandine> jgdx, interesting... ok
[13:52] <kenvandine> if so then it should be translated
[13:52] <kenvandine> why wouldn't MMSC then?
[13:52] <jgdx> kenvandine, it actually does, looking at my carriers pages
[13:52] <jgdx> MMS-proxy, MMS-tjener
[13:52] <jgdx> :)
[13:52] <jgdx> so it stays I guess
[13:52] <kenvandine> ok
[13:52] <kenvandine> fine with me
[13:52] <seb128> kenvandine, what jgdx says I guess ;-)
[13:53] <mpt> kenvandine, Windows Phone calls the MMSC the “WAP Gateway”. Maybe in other languages that term is more common than MMSC, and if so, they’d probably translate “gateway”.
[13:53] <kenvandine> jgdx, just comment on the MP, and we're good
[13:56] <jgdx> kenvandine, oke doke
[13:56] <kenvandine> thx
[14:04] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, hey, wrt https://launchpad.net/bugs/1459649, could you transfer ownership of the webbrowser-app project in LP to me?
[14:04] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, sure!
[14:06] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, oh, i don't think i really own it... it's maintained by pspmteam
[14:07] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, ok, I’ll ask dbarth then, thanks!
[14:07] <kenvandine> np
[14:07] <kenvandine> i just did a mass project creation :)
[14:07] <oSoMoN> dbarth, is it possible to transfer ownership of the webbrowser-app LP project to me, or at least to give me edit rights for it?
[14:10] <dbarth> oSoMoN: sure
[14:10] <Tassadar> why the hell is it so hard to get to the code on launchpad -.-
[14:12] <Tassadar> s/hard/impossible/
[14:13] <Tassadar> seriously, how do I get to the commit log of system-image client https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-image
[14:17] <dobey> Tassadar: bzr log lp:ubuntu-system-image
[14:17] <Tassadar> yeah, that's why you have that whole launchpad running
[14:17] <dobey> Tassadar: how is it so hard?
[14:18] <Tassadar> do you see any way to get to the log on that page?
[14:18] <Tassadar> not mentioning that "bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/+branch/ubuntu-system-image/"."
[14:18] <dobey> oh
[14:18] <dobey> barry: ^^ wtf?
[14:19] <Tassadar> I mean, if the code is not there, that would explain it)
[14:19] <dobey> the code is obviously not there
[14:19] <Tassadar> might be related to the git support?
[14:19] <barry> Tassadar, dobey i moved it to git
[14:19] <barry> https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-image/+git
[14:20] <dobey> ah
[14:20] <Tassadar> launchpad might have some ux work to do, then)
[14:20] <dobey> barry: is it not in the ubuntu archive?
[14:20] <barry> Tassadar: yep, but they're aware of it
[14:20] <dobey> Tassadar: it does, the git stuff is not complete :)
[14:21] <dobey> that's why it's "beta" :)
[14:21] <barry>  system-image | 3.0-0ubuntu2        | wily/universe                     | source
[14:23] <dobey> oh
[14:23] <dobey> i see. you are evil and used a different source name
[14:24] <barry> dobey: the mistakes we make in our youth continue to haunt us
[14:41] <robin-hero> hey all
[14:43] <robin-hero> I would like to test OTA-4, so I have two questions about this topic. First, how can I backup my phone (everything), then how can I try the OTA-4, which channel I need to use, and finally how can I restore the backup from point #1 ? :)
[14:45] <brunch875> robin-hero, be a machoman and jump into the ice without restore! Wooo!
[14:46] <dobey> robin-hero: i just make a tarball of $HOME, after deleting some extraneous cache files or such, and then copy it over to my workstation. if you want to back-up any apps you installed too, you can tar up /opt/click.ubuntu.com/ preserving the permissions as well, but the apps can easily be re-installed from the store, so i don't usually back those up
[14:47] <brunch875> dobey: does that keep stuff like e-mail accounts on dekko?
[14:47] <robin-hero> dobey: Thanks, I will try this later.
[14:47] <robin-hero> but I didn't get answer my most important question :) which channel I need to use?
[14:48] <dobey> brunch875: should yes. as long as you don't delete them first :)
[14:48] <dobey> robin-hero: rc-proposed i think
[14:49]  * brunch875 holds the urge to jump onto the devel channel
[14:49] <dobey> brunch875: remember, apps are confined, so can only write into certain paths underneath $HOME anyway. so they won't have any data outside $HOME at this point (maybe when we have support for allowing apps to read/write to an SD card, there will be things outside home
[14:50] <dobey> brunch875: you definitely don't want to switch to devel-proposed
[14:50] <brunch875> what's the worst that could happen?
[14:51] <brunch875> Even if it stops booting, I'd still be able to flash from fastboot... right?
[14:51] <dobey> brunch875: devel-proposed is wily, which is not targeted to be on any phones, and there are going to be some big changes coming in the next few months in wily, which may break stuff on the phone
[14:51] <tathhu> Hmm. gotta go willy on n7
[14:51] <tathhu> Aand rip.
[14:52] <dobey> well, sure. but if it boots and is totally useless, don't want to waste your time filing bugs against things that work fine on the supported phone images, and that are only broken as a matter of disruption as wily moves toward snappy based system
[14:53] <tathhu> Hmm.. I'm not sure if UT drains mor battery than android, damn :D
[14:54] <tathhu> Still on nexus 7
[14:57] <robin-hero> dobey: But call log and sms messages are strored out of home dir If I right
[14:58] <dobey> robin-hero: nope, they are stored in the home dir too, iirc
[15:01] <robin-hero> dobey: yes, you are right, it is  ~.local/share/history-service/history.sqlite
[15:05] <dobey> the db for usermetrics (the stuff displayed on the lock screen) /might/ be in an external dir, but i don't recall exactly
[15:06] <varikonniemi> hello, will the ubuntu phone be insatallable in LG g4, they have unlocked their bootloader?
[15:06] <ogra_> varikonniemi, if someone does a port
[15:10] <brunch875> ogra_: is the developer mode without passcode looking any good?
[15:12] <ogra_> brunch875, no idea, i'm not working much on phone stuff currently and i dont know if there is anyone in the phone team yet to take over the developer mode stuff
[15:12] <brunch875> I see!
[15:12] <ogra_> i fear it will still take a while
[15:12] <brunch875> it's just a comodity either way
[15:13] <ogra_> yeah, as long as the current way works it should be fine ...
[15:13] <ogra_> it will likely break as soon as someone bumps the container bits to lollipop though
[15:13] <ogra_> (without moving adb forward)
[15:19] <pitti> rvr, sil2100: hello
[15:20] <rvr> pitti: Please, log into #ubuntu-ci-eng
[15:20] <pitti> sil2100: so, rvr just pointed out a problem
[15:20] <pitti> sil2100: our overlay PPA doesn't have any support for translations/message sharing
[15:20] <pitti> as it's neither vivid nor wily
[15:21] <pitti> so while e. g. trunk has a new message "Got it": https://translations.launchpad.net/dialer-app/trunk/+pots/dialer-app/es/+translate?search=Got
[15:21] <pitti> the same message isn't in https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/vivid/+source/dialer-app/+pots/dialer-app/es/+translate?search=Got
[15:23] <dobey> !devices | varikonniemi
[15:24] <pitti> sil2100: moving to #ubuntu-ci-eng (for whatever reason)
[15:25] <sil2100> uuuh
[16:38] <robin-hero> I flashed the rc/bq-aquaris.en and in the Settings it is show this is r23. But the apps have the old icons, it has the old header. Did something go wrong?
[16:40] <brunch875> ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en
[16:40] <brunch875> that's where I am at
[16:40] <brunch875> r27
[16:41] <robin-hero> rc-proposed r27 is equal to r23 in rc channel, right?
[16:42] <robin-hero> 2015/06/08 18:40:18 Rebooting into recovery to flash Failed to enter Recovery
[16:42] <brunch875> that's normal
[16:42] <brunch875> just wait for it to reboot, it takes long.
[16:43] <robin-hero> oh, I think I need to use rc-proposed, jut trying with that
[16:44] <brunch875> the failed to enter recovery is a normal message
[16:45] <robin-hero> brunch875: Yes, I read that. But the last release in the rc channel is created at today 12 hour, and in the rc-proposed it is created 14 o'clok
[16:47] <nik90> robin-hero: the new header was reverted a long time ago in all places
[16:48] <nik90> robin-hero: as for the new app icons, they will all be changed in one go..which should happen *after* OTA-4
[16:48] <nik90> atleast for core-apps afaik
[16:49] <robin-hero> but I don't have the bottom edge gesture for tab management in browser too
[16:49] <robin-hero> *doesn't
[16:49] <robin-hero> -
[16:51] <brunch875> I do have it
[16:51] <brunch875> And I noticed LED notitifications are now green instead of blue
[16:52] <brunch875> also, an overall performance gain. But that might just be a placebo effect.
[16:54] <brunch875> robin-hero: did you try rc-proposed?
[16:55] <robin-hero> yes, has just finished the flasing...
[16:58] <robin-hero> oh, yes :D i needed rc-proposed :)
[16:59] <robin-hero> the PIN code screen uses the wallpaper :)
[16:59] <ogra_> yeah, gets pretty confusing if you have a sim pin
[16:59] <ogra_> (which now uses the wallpaper too)
[16:59] <Tassadar> barry: where is archive-master.tar.xz keyring put into the image?
[17:00] <ogra_> i always miss hitting the little checkmark
[17:00] <barry> Tassadar: with si 3.0 it's in /usr/share/system-image iirc.  with si 2.5 it's in /etc/system-image
[17:01] <Tassadar> yeah, but how does it get there?
[17:01] <Tassadar> still from keyring-xxxxx.tar.gz file?
[17:02] <Tassadar> oh, keyring-xxx is just for custom servers
[17:02] <Tassadar> aaand it's wrong :x
[17:02] <brunch875> I wish I could add one wallpaper to the lock-screen and another to the pin-screen
[17:03] <Tassadar> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-system-image/ubuntu-system-image/server/view/head:/lib/systemimage/generators.py#L1058 yup
[17:22] <barry> Tassadar: it is supposed to get laid down in the system-image client tarball.  archive-master is the only one that doesn't get downloaded ever.  and yeah, i guess we need to fix the server now too
[17:31] <egon1> hi
[17:32] <egon1>   it's possible to install touch on a sony xperiaE dual?
[17:34] <dobey> !devices | egon1
[17:36] <egon1> so ist definetly impossible to a sony xperiaE?
[17:38] <ogra_> nothing is impossible
[17:39] <egon1> mhm i'm interessted for testing ubuntu on my phone
[17:40] <tathhu> Does UT got newer androidstack whatever compared to Jollas?
[17:40] <tathhu> Would be cool to run UT on a Jolla..
[17:40] <tathhu> :D
[17:41] <ogra_> tathhu, it uses kitkat drivers
[17:41] <tathhu> Ok so it's a no
[17:41] <tathhu> And apparently someone tried it already :D
[17:42] <kenvandine> Elleo, if you want to test your app with my branch, there should be debs soon at https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/content-hub/all_content_type/+merge/261432
[17:42] <ogra_> tathhu, what does jolla use ? even older stuff ?
[17:42] <ogra_> iirc they released the phone before kitkat came out
[17:43] <Stskeeps> (4.1.2 on the jolla1)
[17:43] <tathhu> Stskeeps: <3
[17:43] <ogra_> Stskeeps, any plans to move forward at some point ?
[17:43] <Stskeeps> ogra_: well, we support 4.4 and all that just fine, it's just that every device is practically stuck on the release it's delivered with
[17:44] <ogra_> ah
[17:44] <ogra_> you dont upgrade the android bits ?
[17:44] <Stskeeps> well, we do, but let's say, upgrading kernel is out of the question and typically ODMs stop caring about certain chips every 6 months ;)
[17:45] <ogra_> heh, yeah
[17:45] <ogra_> we only dont touch the bootloader ...
[17:45] <ogra_> everything else gets upgrades as they come
[17:45] <Stskeeps> so, aiming to put 5.x based adaptation on the bq?
[17:45] <ogra_> i.e. we might switch to lollipop at some point if we have matching branches for all phones
[17:46] <Stskeeps> real question is what the cost benefit would be
[17:46] <Stskeeps> it may very well trigger recertification
[17:46] <ogra_> if there is a branch anyway it shouldnt be to hard
[17:49] <ogra_> our image design allows upgrading either the generic rootfs, the device bits (android HAL) or the customization bits separately ... so technically we arent stuck
[17:49] <Stskeeps> sure, i just know how chinese ODMs work ;)
[17:49] <ogra_> practically it is surely a ton of work to move forward ... and it only makes sense if we dont bloat the generic rootfs with backwards compatibility to much
[17:50] <ogra_> so i would expect a lollipop move only if we can upgrade all the phones
[18:05] <dobey> egon1: if there is no existing port, then you will have to do the porting work yourself. follow the porting guide in the topic
[18:32] <Elleo> kenvandine: great
[20:12] <SturmFlut> Hmmmm, I'm reading /proc/timer_stats on my bq Aquaris E4.5 and it keeps showing events for some process IDs which seemingly don't exist. Any ideas?
[20:17] <SturmFlut> Ooooh, those are thread IDs
[20:17] <SturmFlut> Bad documentation :/
[20:22] <SturmFlut> tvoss: I was looking through cking's system tool collection, and while using "eventstat" I noticed that ubuntu-location-serviced apparently causes ten timer events per second on my bq with OTA-3.5, even though Location detection is completely turned off. Could that be possible?
[20:23] <tvoss> SturmFlut, I looked at that some time back, and it turns out that the android gps hal implementation for the bq keeps on "ticking" at that rate
[20:24] <tvoss> SturmFlut, I might have missed something, best way to check: edit the location service upstart job override and remove the --provider gps::Provider
[20:24] <tvoss> reboot, and see again
[20:24] <SturmFlut> tvoss: Ah, nice to know, I was mostly asking to confirm that I actually understand things
[20:26] <SturmFlut> tvoss: Any chance to turn that "ticking" off if Location detection is turned off completely? Does this increase power consumption by a noticeable margin?
[20:27] <tvoss> SturmFlut, unlikely, specifically as it does not prevent deep sleep. So the answer probably is: if it is our last problem to solve, we are in a very good position power-save wise
[20:27] <tvoss> SturmFlut, also note that we do not have control over the gps HAL implementation
[20:27] <SturmFlut> tvoss: Ah, if it doesn't prevent deep sleep then it's a completely different story, right
[20:28] <tvoss> SturmFlut, yup, it should be addressed at some point, but I think we can identify more pressing power saving issues with cking's tooling
[20:30] <SturmFlut> tvoss: He just told me about his tools a couple of hours ago, I'm currently writing a special article to make them known to a wider audience. Any hints on how you "usually" use them? For example, how did you find out that this GPS "ticking" doesn't prevent deep sleep? So I don't have to bother you next time
[20:31] <tvoss> SturmFlut, it's a case-by-case basis, and you probably want cking's input on the usual usage pattern. I usually just react to his findings :)
[20:31] <SturmFlut> tvoss: Hehe
[20:32] <SturmFlut> tvoss: I'll ask him to proof-read the article if he has the time
[20:32] <tvoss> SturmFlut, that's probably best
[20:32] <cwayne> tvoss: btw, do we have any plans in place for apps that want to track location while the screen is off (think like a run-tracking app)?
[20:33] <cwayne> maybe even just the ability to write coords to a file every x seconds could work..
[20:33] <tvoss> cwayne, yup, we started talking about that ... however: it's a very delicate balance between privacy and flexibility. there obviously also is a power consumption concern but to me, the privacy concern is more important
[20:34] <mcphail> cwayne: you can run in background if the app doesn't spawn a gui (which is really hacky)
[20:34] <tvoss> mcphail, and actually a known bugby now :)
[20:34] <cwayne> tvoss: right, that's certainly a fair concern, but it's also a pretty common use case really
[20:34] <tvoss> mcphail, which will be fixed soon'ish
[20:34] <mcphail> tvoss: don't close it... :)
[20:34] <tvoss> mcphail, we have to :)
[20:34] <mcphail> aargh
[20:35] <SturmFlut> tvoss: Probably display some kind of authorisation dialogue to the user, with the option to remember the answer?
[20:35] <tvoss> cwayne, sure, not questioning that :) it will require a specific trust prompt and the ability to register a hook with the service when significant changes to the position occur
[20:35] <tvoss> SturmFlut, yup, that's what we call a trust prompt
[20:40] <SturmFlut> tvoss: Are you collecting public input for that hook/callback API? I could come up with some quite interesting use cases I think
[20:40] <tvoss> SturmFlut, we have mostly brainstormed thus far, I will ping you a link once we have a bug/document open for input
[20:40] <SturmFlut> \o/
[20:43] <mcphail> tvoss: is this API going to be available for any task to run in background, or only specific things like hooking into GPS changes?
[20:43] <tvoss> mcphail, this is service-specific, not a general "run-in-background" api
[20:43] <mcphail> hmm. shame
[20:46] <mcphail> Would be good if you could permit a service to run in background for, say, 1% of screen-off time. If permission was explicit the app would still be running under the usual confinement so I can't see the privacy concern
[20:47] <SturmFlut> Is this a joke or is the new Mac OS X actually called "El Capitan"
[21:08] <tathhu> SturmFlut: I guess it tis
[21:24] <Sleep_Walker> hi
[21:24] <Sleep_Walker> is it known bug that Ubuntu market stops working when localized? (it broke after some recent update)
[21:25] <Sleep_Walker> 'Ubuntu Store' to be precise
[21:25] <Sleep_Walker> I'm using Czech localisation
[21:26] <Sleep_Walker> aquaris 4.5 ubuntu edition
[21:27] <Sleep_Walker> 'stops working' = after some recent update it doesn't do anything
[21:28] <Sleep_Walker> as I noticed Ubuntu Store button localized, I tried to set tu US localization and it started to work again
[21:29] <dobey> Sleep_Walker: please switch back to the translated version, and file a bug, attaching ~/.cache/upstart/scope-registry.log to the bug report.
[21:30] <dobey> that isn't a known issue to me. should be working, and nothing has changed with the scope in some time. it might be that a translation update broke something that causes the scope to fail to start though :-/
[21:30] <dobey> please file a bug though. :)
[21:30] <Sleep_Walker> after switch it works again even localized :|
[21:30] <Sleep_Walker> but didn't work before
[21:31] <dobey> oh
[21:31] <dobey> maybe just bad timing then
[21:31] <Sleep_Walker> is log still worth of attaching?
[21:31] <Sleep_Walker> it didn't work for week or so
[21:31] <dobey> would need the log from when it was failing
[21:31] <dobey> a log of it working won't help :)
[21:31] <Sleep_Walker> I assume that log is created/truncated on boot :(
[21:32] <Sleep_Walker> OK, I'll attach the file next time I'll meet it
[21:32] <Sleep_Walker> thanks
[21:32] <dobey> i don't recall when it gets truncated/rotated. you could look at the rotated compressed log files and see if it's still in there anywhere
[21:32] <dobey> if you have one that is dated for a day that was failing, it probably has it
[21:33] <dobey> anyway, i have to go now. if you find a useful log file, please file a bug with the log :)
[21:33] <dobey> later
[21:33] <Sleep_Walker> ack
[21:36] <bunty> what are the possible players for RTSP streaming on ubuntu touch?
[21:43] <Sleep_Walker> I can see some dbus error in the log, but "preferred method for filing bugs" is not working for me
[21:43] <Sleep_Walker> either view report or send report does nothing
[21:44] <Sleep_Walker> I assume I chose the command correctly `adb shell ubuntu-bug unity-scope-click'
[21:44] <bunty> what are the possible players for RTSP streaming on ubuntu touch?
[21:44] <bunty> i tried Mplayer but video codec is not working
[21:45] <bunty> VLC Control is also not working
[22:19] <Jsyhd> Hum...


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[01:27] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project cosmic_unstable_akonadi build #91: STILL FAILING in 49 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/cosmic_unstable_akonadi/91/
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[02:10] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » master build #2574: SUCCESS in 1 min 22 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=master/2574/
[02:13] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » swy-01 build #2574: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=swy-01/2574/
 today marks the day that x11 crashed for the first time in 18.10 for me! : D
[04:51] <valorie> wow
[04:52] <valorie> years since that happened to me
[04:52] <valorie> so long I can't remember how long
 it happened like 3 times on 18.04
 i guess im unlucky
 that and a 128GB microsd card died today
 and x11 crashed while copying files to a new sd card :P
 next time i'll use rsync instead
 I've been using Wayland as much as I can.
 Seeing what's broken.
 @ahoneybun, get any krashes?
 I haven't seen one other then getting logged out a few times lol.
 @ahoneybun, thats a crash
 Though I've never seen Xorg crash either.
 @ahoneybun, i must be "being too hard on the system" then
 maybe
 or maybe a 1337 h4xx0r is messing with me
 ; )
[10:41] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project cosmic_unstable_pimcommon build #53: STILL FAILING in 4 hr 45 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/cosmic_unstable_pimcommon/53/
[10:42] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » linode-01 build #2575: SUCCESS in 58 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=linode-01/2575/
[10:42] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » master build #2575: SUCCESS in 1 min 17 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=master/2575/
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[12:46] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[15:46] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » linode-01 build #2576: SUCCESS in 1 min 0 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=linode-01/2576/
[15:46] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » master build #2576: SUCCESS in 1 min 18 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=master/2576/
[15:49] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » swy-01 build #2576: SUCCESS in 4 min 1 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=swy-01/2576/
 good evening everyone
 hi
 @acheronuk do you mind if I start with frameworks 5.52 for disco? it would be convenient to re-check the status of those autopkgtests regressions
 FTR fw 5.51 built for disco: http://tritemio-groomlake.ddns.net/build-status/buildstatus_ubuntu-exp/ubuntu-exp_status_frameworks.html
 @Santa, go for it
 @Santa, in ppa or tritemo? also I would like to fix the install for the kiconthemes (new plugin) in kubuntu_unstable, so please tell me where you put that or push to git straight away.
 @acheronuk I'm going to push to git very soon + upload both to the staging ppa + tritemio
 great :)
 I'm trying to refresh a patch from kcoreaddons
 I'm driving right now
 only for disco btw because I guess we want to do debian merges
 @Santa, yep, I saw that fail on KCI but hadn't looked to see if it was due to a change from before or after tars were made
 @Santa, possibly. there are a lot of new debug .category files in /etc, so would be good to have them in the same packages debian decide to put them in
 though when they get to 5,52 is anyones guess
 ugh @ KA branch merges
 3.0 shouldn't have been merged into master, that code (3.0) is extremely experimental, anyway let me work that out...
 @Santa, oh. sorry....
 np, stuff happens
[21:58] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Starting build #199 for job mgmt_pause_integration (previous build: ABORTED)
 5.14.3 comes out in a few days
 KDE is moving fast
[22:04] <valorie> those bugfix releases are really fast at the beginning, yeah
 which is good
 I like fast releases
[22:05] <valorie> slows as time goes on and they work for the next bigger release
[22:05] <valorie> yeah, I like their current workflow
 @valorie, Fibonacci schedule
[22:24] <valorie> exactly!
[22:24] <valorie> but I couldn't think of the name
 @Santa, noted https://phabricator.kde.org/T9987
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[23:26] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project cosmic_unstable_kwayland build #96: FAILURE in 15 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/cosmic_unstable_kwayland/96/
 👍
 Everything pushed to git btw
 @Santa, thanks


[12:34] <merlin-linux> hiya all
[12:42] <Nailor> hi
[12:53] <merlin-linux> does anyone know the file that autoloads card readers
[12:55] <merlin-linux> cause i have managed to get my 5 in 1 card reader working today, but i have to load the device via /etc/modules file atm


[12:36] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:37] <mparillo> Plasma 5.22.4 is landing in II. No dead kittens. While kinfocenter shows 5.22.4, System Settings still shows 5.22.3
[13:38] <RikMills> mparillo: thanks. IIRC systemsettings should be ok once all is migrated
[14:26] <RikMills> mparillo: yeah, seems ok now
[14:27] <BluesKaj> Hi RikMills, morning mparillo
[14:31] <BluesKaj> wondering if I can get rid of pulseaudio and use pipewire exclusively or is the move to pipewire still in the transitional stage on Impish?
[14:34] <RikMills> not tried
[14:36] <RikMills> does remind though that I wanted to drop plasma-pa to a recommends in the meta-kde packages
[14:40] <mamarley> What are the advantages of PipeWire?  At the moment, I don't even have it installed.
[14:49] <BluesKaj> mamarley, low latency and a lighter cpu load on media, a bit simplified, but so far those are the claims.
 It can replace a combination of jackd and pulseaudio. Matters if you are a heavy jack user
[15:48] <BluesKaj> further development claims it will run video as well, whenever that happens :-)
[22:53] <mparillo> Many more 5.22.4 packages landed in II, including System Settings, thank you. No dead kittens.
[23:04] <RikMills> mparillo: great :)


[04:30] <CIA-11> casper: superm1 * r991 casper.precise/ (debian/changelog scripts/casper):
[04:30] <CIA-11> casper: * Write out a new casper.conf with derivative values if they've been changed.
[04:30] <CIA-11> casper:  - Fixes applications that parse /etc/casper.conf from breaking.
[04:30] <CIA-11> casper:  - This can be reverted after the livecd-rootfs task from LP: #904482 is
[04:30] <CIA-11> casper:  fixed.
[04:30] <CIA-11> casper: superm1 * r992 casper.precise/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.298
[17:42] <bdmurray> Is bug 914917 X related?
[17:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 914917 in ubiquity "Precise Ubiquity locks up on clicking continue on the Who are you page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/914917
[17:42] <bdmurray> Jan 11 17:34:25 ubuntu kernel: [  458.046862] [drm:drm_mode_getfb] *ERROR* invalid framebuffer id
[17:43] <bdmurray> from the syslog
[19:04] <bdmurray> cjwatson: bug 916435 has a patch in the comments
[19:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 916435 in grub2 "grub-setup crashed with SEGV in grub_util_biosdisk_is_floppy()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/916435
[23:12] <stgraber> superm1: thanks for the casper changes


 Linux: The 7 best distributions for new users - TechRepublic … https://www.techrepublic.com/article/linux-the-7-best-distributions-for-new-users/
 Kubunt is Third on the list, that's Awesome 💞
[15:13] <Mamarok> cool :-)


[04:17] <Jordan_U> I wrote a specification page on the wiki a few weeks ago but I can't find the page anymore. How can I tell if/why it was deleted (my username is jordanu)?
[04:17] <zkriesse> gimme a sec..do you remeber what the page was about?
[04:17] <zkriesse> and which wiki was it
[04:17] <zkriesse> https://wiki.ubuntu.com or https://help.ubuntu.com/community
[04:21] <zkriesse> Jordan_U: ?
[04:23] <Jordan_U> zkriesse: It was a specification for making restoring grub after a windows install easier, and I think it was wiki.ubuntu.com but I'm not sure. I didn't realize they were separate, which may be the entire problem.
[04:24] <zkriesse> Yeah the wiki.ubuntu.com is for ubuntu teams/projects
[04:24] <zkriesse> help.ubuntu.com/community is where all the help pages go
[04:25] <zkriesse> If you need wiki advice please don't hesitate to gimme a ring...i'm a wiki guru/nut/admin so I can help ya out if you need it
[04:25] <Jordan_U> zkriesse: Thanks for the offer.
[04:26] <zkriesse> No problem
[04:27] <Jordan_U> zkriesse: Is there a way to just view what pages I've authored / edited?
[04:27] <zkriesse> Ah like a list?
[04:28] <zkriesse> I dont know for sure...i'd think there would be but I don't remember


[01:28] <bjabr> can anyone help me with installing the right nvidia driver for 16.04?
[01:28] <SporkWitch> https://google.com/
[01:29] <SporkWitch> find one of the results that mentioned "ubuntu-drivers"; that should be at least the first 5 or 10 results...
[01:29] <SporkWitch> just don't blindly hit "yes" when it asks you to approve the conflict resolution, as depending on what you've installed on your system it may decide that nearly all of KDE needs to be purged
[01:42] <claycorn> hello
[01:59] <bjabr> cant get it to work
[01:59] <bjabr> tried every damn result from google
[01:59] <bjabr> got an nvidia gtx 950
[02:00] <bjabr> and for some reason plasma crashes after installing nvidia drivers
[02:01] <SporkWitch> crashes tend to produce logs
[02:40] <bjabr> i get the error "plasma failed to start because it could not properly configure OpenGL 2"
[02:41] <papapenguin> I'm trying to access files on my old hard drive (Kubuntu 15.04) via USB from a new install (Kubuntu 16.04) but I'm having problems mounting the drive
[02:46] <SporkWitch> papapenguin: how are you trying to mount it? what's the error?
[02:48] <papapenguin> I have a SATA-USB device and I thought it would show up as a USB device like my phone, USB sticks, camera, etc do automatically, but I can't see it at all unless I look for it as superuser
[02:48] <papapenguin> for example, I type lsusb and don't see it at all
[02:49] <papapenguin> but sudo lsusb allows me to see the SATA-USB device only
[02:49] <papapenguin> I can see the drive in KDE Partition, but can't access it at all
[02:50] <papapenguin> if I take out my hard drive and install this older one, it boots and works perfectly, which makes me think it's a mounting problem
[02:51] <papapenguin> sudo /dev/sdb1 /mnt gives me:
[02:51] <papapenguin> mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist
[03:07] <papapenguin> blkid gives me:
[03:07] <papapenguin> donald@donald-HP-ENVY-m6-Notebook-PC:~$ blkid
[03:07] <papapenguin> oops
[03:07] <SporkWitch> papapenguin: it sounds like it's being treating like what it is: a SATA HDD.
[03:07] <SporkWitch> papapenguin: non-root users cannot mount unless there's an entry in FSTAB with the appropriate flags
[03:07] <papapenguin> I wish I could post outputs here
[03:08] <papapenguin> ok, so I'll need to change my fstab?
[03:08] <SporkWitch> pastebin (or any of its counterparts; i like hastebin)
[03:08] <SporkWitch> that would be my guess, based on the information you've given me.  It's not a lot to go on, but it seems a reasonable assumption.  First, try mounting it with sudo
[03:09] <SporkWitch> if that works, you should then look into creating an fstab entry WITHOUT auto; we don't want it to try automatically mounting it at boot, because it'll fail and start yelling at you if it's not connected
[03:10] <papapenguin> blkid is here: http://pastebin.com/MpTjNPUe
[03:11] <papapenguin> sudo blkid is here: http://pastebin.com/1ZHJSn0Z
[03:13] <SporkWitch> and what happens with sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/foo ?
[03:13] <papapenguin> sudo lsusb: http://pastebin.com/ubT5VqYs
[03:14] <papapenguin> sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/foo gives me: mount: mount point /mnt/foo does not exist
[03:17] <papapenguin> sudo fdisk -l gives me: http://pastebin.com/q6FY23Cz
[03:23] <SporkWitch> papapenguin: i'm not clicking on those links until you read the error message you put here and tell me what you did to resolve it
[03:24] <SporkWitch> (it's not personal, but just because someone is helping doesn't mean you get to stop reading and thinking yourself lol)
[03:25] <papapenguin> which error? The sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/foo ?
[03:26] <SporkWitch> yeah
[03:26] <papapenguin> I posted that earlier
[03:26] <papapenguin> here it is again:
[03:26] <papapenguin> sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/foo gives me: mount: mount point /mnt/foo does not exist
[03:26] <SporkWitch> i know, you pasted it, i want you to READ IT
[03:26] <SporkWitch> and then tell me what you're going to do to resolve it
[03:27] <papapenguin> sorry, that's not helpful, if I knew what to do to resolve it, I wouldn't be asking
[03:27] <SporkWitch> ok, what do you THINK it means?
[03:27] <papapenguin> I have the /mnt folder in root
[03:28] <SporkWitch> ok
[03:28] <SporkWitch> what about /mnt/foo ?
[03:29] <papapenguin> no, I don't have that, but shouldn't that just be a subfolder in the /mnt folder by mounting as superuser should automatically mount into?
[03:30] <SporkWitch> the mount command mounts x onto y.  Both must exist.  so the command i gave you, mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/foo attempts to mount the first partition of the second scsi drive onto the folder /mnt/foo
[03:31] <SporkWitch> the mount failed.  it gave you an error message.  given what i've just said, how are the two related?
[03:33] <papapenguin> it seems like a circular question
[03:33] <papapenguin> when I look in fdisk, I see the drive as sdb1
[03:34] <papapenguin> when I try to mount the drive into the folder /mnt it say sdb1 does not exist
[03:34] <SporkWitch> papapenguin: stop thinking about the root problem we started from
[03:34] <SporkWitch> this is completely unrelated
[03:35] <SporkWitch> the problem we're dealing with now is one i already know the answer to, and is WHY i'm forcing you to figure it out, because the error message itself told you how to fix it
[03:35] <SporkWitch> and arguably i've already told you how to fix it too
[03:35] <SporkWitch> (i have no problem helping, but i'm not going to do it all for you; if you want me to just do it for you, my consulting rate is $25/hr; i'm feeling generous, also desperate)
[03:39] <papapenguin> I see
[03:39] <Dragonslicer> papapenguin- the directory has to exist before you can mount a disk to it
[03:39] <Dragonslicer> The mount program doesn't create the target directory for you
[03:40] <papapenguin> I understand that, but I thought that the mount point of /mnt would work without creating a subfolder
[03:41] <Dragonslicer> It should, but be aware that you won't be able to get to anything that's already in /mnt as long as something else is mounted there
[03:41] <papapenguin> If I remember correctly, mounting into /mnt worked before, but I could be wrong
[03:41] <SporkWitch> no one said anything about mounting it directly to /mnt, i only see a message about /mnt/foo
[03:41] <Dragonslicer> Normally you should only mount disks to empty directories
[03:41] <SporkWitch> and an error message that was ignored and a claim of not understanding made
[03:42] <SporkWitch> in any case, the solution to that error is to CREATE the directory /mnt/foo
[03:42] <Dragonslicer> papapenguin- what are you using for a mount command right now, and what do you get for an error message?
[03:43] <SporkWitch> (in short: posting that error was useless, should have just corrected it and then gotten the output that resulted that you couldn't figure out)
[03:43] <papapenguin> SporkWitch: thanks
[03:46] <papapenguin> Dragonslicer: I was using: sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt
[03:47] <Dragonslicer> What do you get for an error message with that?
[03:49] <papapenguin> Dragonslicer: mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist
[03:52] <Dragonslicer> Try this command: sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb
[03:52] <Dragonslicer> If that doesn't list the disk, try disconnecting it and reconnecting it (eject the disk, unplug the USB cable, whatever)
[03:53] <papapenguin> fdisk sees it, ot
[03:53] <papapenguin> oops, it's posted above
[03:53] <Dragonslicer> cat /proc/partitions
[03:53] <papapenguin> http://pastebin.com/q6FY23Cz
[03:54] <Dragonslicer> Does that list sdb and sdb1?
[03:54] <papapenguin> lists sdb and sdb1
[03:55] <Dragonslicer> Weird. What about this: ls -al /dev/sdb*
[03:55] <papapenguin> oops, cat /proc/partitions only lists sdb
[03:55] <papapenguin> fdisk -l lists sdb and sdb1
[03:56] <papapenguin> ls -al /dev/sdb lists only sdb
[03:57] <Dragonslicer> Hm, that's kind of strange. Just as a sanity check, do this: sudo mount | grep sdb -
[03:57] <Dragonslicer> Just to make sure sdb1 isn't already mounted
[03:59] <Dragonslicer> If that doesn't list anything, disconnect the disk (turn off the dock, unplug the USB cable, etc.)
[04:00] <papapenguin> it lists nothing
[04:01] <Dragonslicer> After you disconnect the disk, run cat /proc/partitions again. sdb should be gone.
[06:23] <barq> My mouse cursor is inaccurate, it points at pixels above where it is shown on 16.04. How can I fix this?
[11:22] <paolo_> hi
[11:22] <paolo_> I'm trying to install kubuntu <IP_ADDRESS> from USB, I'm able to boot from it.... but X not start... an I see only the login from console
[11:23] <paolo_> so I'm not able to start the installation
[11:23] <paolo_> I think that the issue is related to the nouveau driver.... I'm using nvida graphics card
[11:28] <hateball> !nomodeset | paolo_
[11:29] <yossarianuk> paolo_: do yo have hybrid graphics ?
[11:34] <paolo_> yossarianuk: I have a gtx 970
[11:34] <hateball> if it is a very recent chipset I dont think 16.04 handles it ootb, with nouveau
[11:34] <yossarianuk> Just one GPU or do you have intel as well ?
[11:35] <hateball> but with nomodeset you should be able to boot and install, then boot with nomodeset again and add nvidia PPA
[11:35] <paolo_> and adding nouveau.modeset=0 on boot parameter the installer seem to works :)
[11:35] <paolo_> yossarianuk: one gpu
[11:36] <hateball> paolo_: you'll need to do it again as I said, once it is installed. until you add this !ppa https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[11:36] <paolo_> hperfect
[11:36] <paolo_> hateball:  thanks
[11:36] <hateball> paolo_: a one-liner: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa && sudo apt update && sudo apt install nvidia-370
[11:36] <paolo_> very good
[11:39] <yossarianuk> if you have an intel CPU I would also install intel-microcode also...
[11:42] <hateball> which is: sudo apt install intel-microcode
[12:44] <dsealius> hello
[12:48] <soee> hiho dsealius
[13:07] <dsealius> when I click on the activity button (top left corner of the screen) the activities panel just appears fr a fraction of second... I'm wondering if this is the case also for you ?
[13:17] <soee> yup
[13:44] <dsealius> is it a bug or something ?
[13:57] <soee> dsealius: why ?
[14:01] <dsealius> cuz I cannot switch activity from the top left corner button
[14:02] <dsealius> I have to right click > acticities > ....
[14:02] <soee> ah, hmm
[14:02] <soee> you can try adding actiity switcher widget to your panel
[14:02] <soee> i use custom shortcuts to switch them though
[14:03] <dsealius> I also use the super + tab combination but it also allows to switch not to stop an activity
[14:08] <dsealius> adding the activity manager on my panel wqs a good idea ! it looks like older kde version !
[14:08] <dsealius> was*
[14:15] <syltao> Is copy / past of repertory working fine in Dolphin ? I've an error somothing like «waiting for past file, not repertory».
[14:57] <SporkWitch> Running into some weirdness with kmail.  I was able to sign (in-line) my outgoing message fine, but when I open the reply with my quoted (and signed) message inside it, the signed portion shows as "cannot be verified" "unknown key" (and the long id), and Status: Wrong Cyrpto Plug-In.  I'm not seeing any results for searching that status.  The closest I've found is a mention of a bug with pgp/mime
[14:58] <SporkWitch> not being recognized correctly if there was also a dpsam attachment; i DO see a "spam status: spam assasin [white box]" indicator around it it, possibly related to the filters on my mailserver?
[15:26] <gremistarasta> opa
[17:03] <dirky> hello, for some reason nothing happens when I try to launch the installation
[17:58] <clutch> hi
[18:13] <ethang> looking for a good mid-size scalable RDBMS for kubuntu.  Any suggestions?
[18:47] <mgolden_> ethang: you mean like mysql? what does the kubuntu desktop matter to you?
[18:47] <mgolden_> dirky: you mean an upgrade?
[21:36] <Waffle688> hello
[21:36] <Waffle688> FIrst time RIC user, DOn't mind me.
[21:36] <Waffle688> irc
[21:37] <soee> hiho :)
[21:38] <genii> Waffle688: Well, if you have any support questions concerning your Kubuntu, this is the place to ask them :)
[22:11] <shimeji> channel about hacking?
[22:19] <ikonia> shimeji: if you have to ask, you have already failed
[22:20] <SporkWitch> shimeji: try yahoo messenger, that's where all the 1337 h4x0rz are


[00:02] <nibalizer> slangasek: pong, by way if blkperl
[00:07] <slangasek> nibalizer: hey there
[00:07] <slangasek> nibalizer: I need people with macs for me to beat up on
[00:08] <slangasek> nibalizer: want to come to the BSP at Free Geek next Sunday and bring yours? :)
[00:10] <slangasek> just to be clear, I'm proposing the beat up the macs, not the people
[00:10] <slangasek> ;)
[00:31] <nibalizer> sure!
[00:31] <nibalizer> btw at this point i am happily running ubuntu albiet in bios emulation mode
[00:32] <nibalizer> i have 12.10 at this point, should i do anything else to prepare?
[00:35] <slangasek> nibalizer: nothing at all; I mostly want to know if the raring media will boot, so I'll bring those with
[00:35] <slangasek> nibalizer: do you have an optical drive?
[00:35] <slangasek> (I have a USB DVD drive; it's crap, and half the time fails to work)
[00:36] <nibalizer> not an apple one, i have a usb cd drive kicking around somewhere though
[00:38] <slangasek> these are DVD images, Ubuntu doesn't fit on a CD anymore
[00:38] <slangasek> I'll just bring mine
[04:47] <nibalizer> slangasek: found the usb dvd drive, so we're double covered
[04:47] <nibalizer> i usually just dd the iso onto a usb though
[04:54] <c_smith> nibalizer, that'll be the quicker method, too,
[04:54] <c_smith> and more supported if the machine is so old it doesn't support DVDs.
[05:17] <nibalizer> c_smith: well its a mac book air 2011, its too new to support DVDs
[05:17] <nibalizer> lawl
[05:20] <bkerensa> nibalizer: you going to come bang on RC bugs at the BSP? :)
[05:21] <c_smith> nibalizer, ah, that can be a problem, too.
[05:21]  * c_smith goes to look when Raring is set to be released
[05:22]  * c_smith now hopes he will be fully recovered from the operation in February when the release party is for Raring
[05:23] <c_smith> might run Kubuntu 13.04 when he gets his new desktop
[05:23] <c_smith> my laptops are toast.
[05:44] <slangasek> nibalizer: well, as this is supposed to be a hybrid image that works on both USB and optical, it's useful to test that
[05:53] <bkerensa> c_smith: you just bought a new laptop this year no?
[05:54] <c_smith> bkerensa, yes, that laptop met the sidewalk
[05:54] <c_smith> an accident, of course.
[05:55] <c_smith> and my older laptop has been falling apart for some time, and it finally died
[05:55] <c_smith> out lasted the new one, though.
[05:55] <philipballew> I hate when you take a fall with a laptop
[05:55] <philipballew> happened to me twice on my bike.
[05:56] <c_smith> oh, I didn't fall, the bag I had it in broke.
[05:56] <c_smith> I'm not clumsy enough to fall walking on a straight sidewalk.
[05:56] <c_smith> with no obstacles.
[05:56] <philipballew> lol, sorry about that.
[05:57] <c_smith> eh. no prob.
[05:57] <c_smith> kinda hard to guess what had happened with just the little info I gave.
[05:57] <c_smith> anywho, I'll be getting this next week: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229285
[05:59] <philipballew> seems cool
[06:03] <c_smith> yep
[18:55] <bkerensa> c_smith: Protip: Always get coverage on all electronics
[18:55] <bkerensa> :D
[22:14] <tgm4883> bkerensa, can you check the model number of your 14z and see if it's a 5423?


[07:45] <Kamion> pvh: sure, can't speak for anyone else but personally I don't mind interesting installation problems here :)
[07:45] <zul> fabbione: dont do anything i wouldnt do
[07:45] <Kamion> (of course, the value of "interesting" varies over time ...)
[07:45] <pvh> Kamion: Well, I can only hope that by the time you get back I can say "Oh, I documented it on the wiki."
[07:45] <Kamion> heh
[07:45] <Kamion> or "Oh, I sent a patch" ;-)
[07:45] <amu> daniels: all right, take it easy, takes some time till 3.4 will be released, sleep well
[07:45] <pvh> Kamion: Even better, and even less likely. ;)
[07:45] <Kamion> FWIW, most of my systems don't have working floppy drives ...
[07:46] <daniels> amu: cheers
[07:46] <amu> mdz: is there any chance to get kdelibs to main
[07:46] <mdz> amu: yes
[07:46] <amu> daniels: cheers
[07:47] <amu> mdz: as i remember, please correct me if i'm wrong, it must be supported in order to go into main, right?
[07:47] <mdz> yes
[07:48] <amu> mdz: the upcomming kde 3.4 supports dbus, therefore we need dbus-qt enabled.
[07:48] <mdz> ok
[07:48] <mdz> if you upload a package to main which depends on kdelibs, it will move into main
[07:49] <mdz> currently no package in main depends on it
[07:49] <mdz> Kamion: speaking of devices for busybox init
[07:49] <mdz> Kamion: can we switch to using non-devfs names for those?
[07:49] <amu> mdz: thx, got it
[07:49] <amu> daniels: still awache?
[07:49] <mdz> Kamion: it would let me remove one of the gross hacks in casper
[07:49] <amu> s/h/k
[07:49] <Kamion> mdz: that's a significantly bigger change and I'd rather leave it until post-hoary
[07:50] <daniels> amu: sure
[07:50] <daniels> amu: will do it
[07:50] <amu> daniels: fire in the hole :)
[07:50] <Kamion> mdz: because it requires auditing all of d-i for /dev use rather than just pulling the wool over its eyes the way we're doing right now
[07:50] <Kamion> mdz: and probably inserting at least one fairly significant compatibility layer
[07:50] <mdz> Kamion: I think we're talking about different things
[07:50] <Kamion> mdz: you should already have the traditional names available as well for most devices, though
[07:51] <mdz> I'm talking about disabling CONFIG_FEATURE_DEVFS in busybox-cvs
[07:51] <mdz> so that it opens /dev/ttyX instead of /dev/vc/X, e.g.
[07:51] <pvh> Can I put 'linux' and 'initrd.gz' onto my laptop drive
[07:51] <mdz> pvh: yes
[07:51] <pvh> into /boot/
[07:51] <pvh> then install grub onto the drive
[07:51] <pvh> and have d-i run on the partition it booted from?
[07:51] <mdz> pvh: yes
[07:52] <Kamion> mdz: I'd still rather leave that until post-hoary
[07:52] <mdz> pvh: in fact I was just recently saying that we ought to have a howto document for it
[07:52] <pvh> mdz: Oh! Well why didn't I think of that before!
[07:52] <mdz> pvh: I would be grateful if you would document the process as you go along, for the sake of others
[07:52] <pvh> mdz: I'll take notes.
[07:52] <Kamion> mdz: that said, it may not be quite as much work as I think, so I'll have a look
[07:52] <mdz> Kamion: it changes a very small amount of code
[07:52] <amu> jdub: ping
[07:52] <mdz> Kamion: essentially only the device names in include/libbb.h
[07:52] <pvh> mdz: The only problem is that /mnt/ has nothing in it right now, so I can't chroot into it for grub installation purposes
[07:53] <Kamion> mdz: yes, but several parts of d-i *will* need to be changed; I know of at least one in prebaseconfig alone
[07:53] <mdz> Kamion: why? I don't follow
[07:53] <mdz> I wasn't suggesting that we stop creating the devfs nodes on disk yet
[07:53] <Kamion> mdz: the bits that try to figure out what kind of console is currently in use
[07:54] <spiral> hi
[07:54] <Kamion> anyway, I really have to run now
[07:54] <mdz> later
[07:54] <pvh> mdz: Can you point me to some documentation on how to write the boot sector on a secondary drive?
[07:55] <pvh> mdz: The grub documentation is, shall we say, untalkative.
[07:56] <mdz> pvh: grub-install <grub-device-spec>
[07:56] <elmo> mdz: the script does require an explicit clobber; I just assumed you wanted to override - I'll double check in the future if the script needs forcing and the request to sync doesn't explicitly say it's overriding
[07:56] <pvh> mdz: I was afraid you'd say that.
 is where it will write stage1
[07:56] <mdz> (hd0) for the first BIOS disk, (hd1) for the second, etc.
[07:57] <pvh> mdz: Do I need to chroot first?
[07:57] <mdz> elmo: thanks, and I'll work on smoking less crack
[07:58] <mdz> pvh: that, or use --root-directory
[07:58] <pvh> mdz: Ahh
[07:58] <pvh> mdz: Can't chroot -- no bin dir yet.
[07:58] <tseng> mdz: if you find a spare moment, would you mind checking on that upload you made for me last night
[07:58] <tseng> mdz: doesnt appear to have made it through the system
[07:59] <mdz> tseng: that's odd. which package was it again?
[07:59] <tseng> tomboy
[07:59] <mdz> hmm, I no longer have the upload on disk
[08:00] <tseng> my source was at http://smarterits.com/~brandon/tomboy/
[08:00] <pvh> mdz: Won't grub-install configure the drive as though it were mounted in its current configuration on my PC?
[08:00] <mdz> tseng: it was just libpanel-applet2-0 -> libpanel-applet-dev, right?
[08:00] <tseng> mdz: yep.
[08:00] <mdz> uploaded
[08:01] <tseng> thanks muchly
[08:01] <mdz> no idea what happened, I remember uploading it
[08:01] <mdz> but I have neither accept nor reject mail about it
[08:01] <tseng> right.. thought id check with you
[08:01] <tseng> never came up on -changes or buildlogs
[08:07] <bluefoxicy> ahhhhhh now to mkisofs the cd
[08:11] <pvh> mdz: Okay, I've got a boot/grub directory now, and a menu item pointing to the install files
[08:12] <mdz> tseng: tomboy_0.3.1-0ubuntu3_source.changes ACCEPTED
[08:12] <tseng> mdz: and a fine lesson on dep checking learned.
[08:12] <tseng> :)
[08:14] <smurfix> doko: ping?
[08:16] <doko> smurfix: pong
[08:16] <smurfix> doko: I've run into this Python 2.4 bug: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1098990&group_id=5470&atid=105470
[08:17] <smurfix> doko: Rather than implement a workaround, pulling that fix from Upstream night be an option until the next point release ..?
[08:18] <doko> sure, will do.
[08:18] <smurfix> doko: Thanks
[08:18] <Mithrandir> doko: I have multiarch working with 3.4 now. :)
[08:19] <smurfix> doko: I could do it myself, but you're the Python giy
[08:19] <smurfix> guy ;-)
[08:19] <doko> Mithrandir: cool ...
[08:24] <Mithrandir> doko: is there anything stopping it getting working with gcc-3.3?  I'd like to not move to gcc-3.4 unless I have to.
[08:35] <daniels> daniels@nanasawa:~/canonical/xorg/arch/pristine% sudo sh -c 'echo "# this file has now been customised" >> /etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[08:35] <daniels> daniels@nanasawa:~/canonical/xorg/arch/pristine% sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[08:35] <daniels> xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been
[08:35] <daniels>    customized
[08:35] <daniels> a little rough, but you get the idea
[08:35] <daniels> xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration
[08:35] <daniels>    file; backup in /etc/X11/xorg.conf200502030635
[08:37] <doko> Mithrandir: what is the goal working on multiarch with gcc-3.3?
[08:39] <Mithrandir> doko: that I can get something stable working now so I can concentrate on stuff I break with multiarch rather than stuff which is broken in gcc-3.4
[08:39] <tritium> daniels, slick
[08:39] <mdz> daniels: can we get an extra '.' in that backup filename?
[08:41] <daniels> mdz: hence 'a little rough' -- already fixed
[08:41] <daniels> mdz: all that's left for ubuntu13 is pulling a better version of my loader speed hack and then no-oping speedo within that
[08:42] <doko> Mithrandir: not that I know of ... we disabled biarch for 3.3, because it didn't correctly work
[08:48] <Mithrandir> doko: hm, ok.
[08:48] <Mithrandir> I most likely won't bother with it and ignore any problems I stumble into which seems to be gcc-3.4 internal problems.
[08:50] <rcaskey__> is there an official procedure for becoming an ubuntu mirror? The Uni I work at just got a hd upgrade to the linux server and is pondering picking up debian and I'm trying to get Ubuntu on the list as well
[08:51] <pvh> Kamion: Just so you know, I managed to get my system back into d-i.
[08:51] <pvh> Kamion: Here's the short tutorial, which with a little prodding, I can flesh out into a proper installer section.
[08:52] <pvh> Kamion: 1) format and mount the partition you want to install to
[08:52] <pvh> Kamion: 2) grub-install <drive name> --root-directory=<mountpoint>
[08:52] <pvh> Kamion: 3) put a kernel and an initrd.gz into the /install/ folder
[08:53] <pvh> Kamion: 4) create a menu.lst file pointing to those files
[08:53] <pvh> Kamion: The only caveat is to make sure that the menu.lst points to what the drive _will_ be in the destination system.
[08:54] <pvh> Kamion: That, and I suppose picking the right vmlinuz/initrd.gz
[08:54] <pvh> Kamion: I gunzipped the initrd.gz because I had difficulty with it earlier.
[08:58] <fabbione> jbailey: nagios plugin is still FTBFS :-)
[08:58] <fabbione> jbailey: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/n/nagios-plugins/<IP_ADDRESS>-12ubuntu1/
[08:59] <zul> fabbione: ping sorry
[09:00] <jbailey> Meh.  I thought build-deps were fine, just not actual depends for installation?
[09:00] <mdz> rcaskey__: http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/Archive
[09:00] <mdz> jbailey: packages in main must build with only packages in main
[09:03] <jbailey> mdz: I'm not sure what the right thing here is then.  I can disable the radius functionality completely, I guess.  It seems like the wrong answer though.  I can understand not wating to push more stuff into main, though.
[09:03] <elmo> just like, err, Debian
[09:03] <mdz> jbailey: is it not possible to build nagios plugins out-of-tree?
[09:04] <jbailey> mdz: Yes.  They're just little scripts that take parameters and return error codes.  stdout is captured for logging, and the error codes let it know if it's a failure or a success.
[09:04] <elmo> I don't mind promoting the radius _libraries_
[09:04] <mdz> that was the resolution we applied for php4-imap
[09:04] <elmo> hmm, well i suppose the client still gets pulled into extra.. meh
[09:05] <mdz> extra goes into universe, no?
[09:05] <mdz> I thought the issue was with a radius server
[09:05] <mdz> if it's only libraries, that's less of a support issue
[09:06] <elmo> the original nagios-plugins pulled in some random radius client software  too
[09:06] <elmo> but I think jbailey fixed that already
[09:07] <elmo> so, shall I just pull in the radius libs?
[09:07] <jbailey> I moved the radiusclient to suggests.  But it still build-dep's libradius1-dev
[09:07] <jbailey> I can split it out easy enough.
[09:07] <elmo> seems a bit OTT to just avoid libraries - we have bazillions of random libraries already
[09:09] <daniels> elmo: can we have libc-client too?
[09:09] <elmo> daniels: you can have a burnt stick in the eye; how's that?
[09:09] <daniels> elmo: sensational!
[09:10] <daniels> at that price, I'll take two
[09:10] <jbailey> daniels: Friends don't let friends use php-imap.
[09:10] <daniels> s/-imap//
[09:11] <mdz> elmo: which radius libs are they?
[09:11] <elmo> libradius1{,-dev}
[09:11] <elmo> or do you mean which fork?
[09:12] <mdz> yeah, but that answered that too
[09:12] <mdz> it's the Livingston library, oh god
[09:12] <mdz> oh, no it isn't, it's the MERIT one
[09:12] <mdz> that's somewhat less scary
[09:13] <jbailey> mdz: All radius libraries suck.   They really do. =)
[09:13] <mdz> we ought to check whether it has had all 10,000 RADIUS vulnerabilities fixed
[09:13] <bluefoxicy> the last metroid is in captivity
[09:13] <daniels> amu: please try the dbus debs from http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/dbus/ and let me know if they're any good for you
[09:13] <bluefoxicy> JUSTIN BAILEY *samus out of suit* But we're going to blow crap up anyway
[09:14] <amu> daniels: thx, 12h later is fine for y? i'm testing the live atm ...
[09:14] <daniels> amu: sure
[09:14] <jbailey> mdz: Here, I'll just pull it for now.
[09:15] <jbailey> mdz: We can always leave it disabled for now - I don'timagine there are acually that many radius servers still running out there.
[09:15] <mdz> jbailey: that's what we did with php4-imap, and we didn't get around to fixing it until the next release
[09:15] <mdz> does dialup RAS equipment no longer use RADIUS?
[09:16] <mdz> it still did 4 years ago
[09:16] <fabbione> re
[09:16] <fabbione> or tatacs
[09:16] <daniels> elmo: sorry about the ud-l spam to da-m (again)
[09:16] <jbailey> Dialup RAS usually does  RADIUS, TACACS+, or NT Domain authenication.
[09:16] <fabbione> zul: fast pong?
[09:17] <jbailey> fabbione: Any of them that you'd recommend for main?  I could just patch it to use yours.. =)
[09:17] <fabbione> jbailey: client.. not server :-))
[09:17] <fabbione> and not in main. sorry
[09:17] <jbailey> fabbione: client is the issue here.  nagios needs a library to tell if a server is up.
[09:18] <fabbione> jbailey: that can be easily done using the nagios tcp/udp check
[09:19] <jbailey> fabbione: Assuming the server isn't hung solid.  But I agree that it's probably good enough for now, with a nagios plugin in universe for radius.
[09:19] <fabbione> otherwise steal the code from a simple client like libpam-radius-auth
[09:20] <jbailey> That would work.  I'll just graft it in.
[09:23] <zul> fabbione: there was a patch in upstream that disable acpi for pnp devices do you want to submit a bug or something?
[09:23] <fabbione> zul: i don't understand...
[09:23] <fabbione> a patch disabled acpi on pnp devices...
[09:23] <fabbione> and do i need to do what?
[09:24] <zul> fabbione: ill describe it better in bugzilla my mind is moosh right now with head cold
[09:24] <fabbione> ehehe ok
[09:24] <fabbione> i am off 100% now.. FOOD
[09:24] <zul> k
[09:27] <daniels> hm, electricity is out at our old house, which is only about 800m away
[09:27] <daniels> lucky break
[09:29] <zul> we had a lot of power outages since they have built that big arena in my area
[09:30] <daniels> we're just having quite incredibly wild storms and a bucket of rain
[09:30] <daniels> apparently there are no traffic lights on mega arterial roads
[09:30] <daniels> all shorted out; half the city has no power
[09:31] <zul> ouch...where do you live?
[09:31] <daniels> and a power pole exploded (6m tall, exploded down to the stump) when the transformer was hit by lightning :)
[09:31] <daniels> melbourne, .au
[09:31] <elmo> isn't it obviousl? ;-P
[09:31] <zul> heh
[09:32] <elmo> [how to insult 1/3 of your cow-orkers in one simple statement - lessons in life by elmo #345]
[09:32] <zul> it could be worse
[09:33] <daniels> elmo: yeah, some sort of crazy-arse land where people actually own more than two t-shirts ... heretics
[09:33] <elmo> eh?
[09:34] <daniels> elmo: go buy a represent shirt already; not only will it double the size of your wardrobe, but it will give me $us1
[09:35] <elmo> dude, I so have more than two tshirts; granted, several of them look identical, but nevertheless
[09:35] <elmo> you really only get us$1 from the sale?
[09:35] <daniels> really.  i set my margins low, because I'm so generous.
[09:35] <daniels> and even with my rock-bottom prices, you bastards still don't buy my gear :P
[09:37] <elmo> I will.. when I can :P
[09:37] <daniels> heh
[09:37] <zul> frig...not another fundraiser
[10:11] <T-None> gnight
[10:16] <sivang> T-None: night
[10:16] <thully> does anyone know what the status of array 4 is?
[10:23] <mdz> there is a showstopper bug in X at the moment
[10:23] <thully> what - is it the issue I had with X not starting?
[10:24] <Kamion> thully: I already told you earlier that I was waiting for somebody to get a handle on the udev bug
[10:24] <mdz> if you tried a recent daily CD, yes, porbably
[10:24] <mdz> that too
[10:24] <Kamion> repeatedly asking is not going to change that :-)
[10:25] <mdz> though I haven't been encountering the udev bug lately
[10:25] <Kamion> the X bug is, in retrospect, more of a showstopper, in that I'd probably be willing to release array cd 4 without the udev bug fixed, but I'd have to test a fair bit
[10:26] <Kamion> and, of course, there's the amd64 grub breakage, but that was in array cd 3 too
[10:26] <mdz> Kamion: are you going to be around for a bit?  I'd like to talk about netcfg sometime soon
[10:26] <Kamion> thully: however, my fiancee wants me at her house now, so it will definitely not be today; I didn't promise today anyway
[10:26] <Kamion> mdz: no, sorry
[10:26] <mdz> ok, tomorrow then
[10:26] <Kamion> see above :-)
[10:29] <thully> OK - got to go - bye
[10:38] <daniels> jdub: 'morning captain
[10:38] <dholbach> O Captain, my Captain... :-)
[10:41] <jdub> seb128: 0.22 didn't have any significant changes on top of what we have :)
[10:43] <seb128> k
[10:44] <seb128> still no inotify working ?
[10:57] <jdub> works for me :)
[10:59] <enrico> jdub: morning.  Elmo's setting up our (we == docteam) canonical svn repository and needs a mail to send commits to.  A ubuntu-doc-commits list would be great: is it possible to have it?
[11:00] <jdub> sure
[11:00] <enrico> ouch!
[11:01] <jdub> that's for using svn!
[11:01] <enrico> plans are to migrate to baz, but a prerequisite was to have a sandbox to play with
[11:01] <enrico> no sandbox found yet, and it's controversial if baz is ready for usage by less literate people yet
[11:02] <enrico> but long term plans are to migrate to baz when it's ready (for some non-pioneer definition of ready :)
[11:06] <mdz> enrico: I see that lifeless followed up with you; hopefully you can have a meeting to discuss it
[11:06] <mdz> I'd love to see the doc team on baz if it is feasible
[11:10] <mxpxpod> why is magicdev in the default session for GNOME if gnome-volume-manager is already
[11:10] <mako> tseng: http://cplug.net/conference/
[11:11] <jdub> mxpxpod: it's a failover
[11:11] <mako> tseng: that's in ha-burg, someone was sending this to info. i guess they're interestd in an ubuntu presence
[11:11] <mxpxpod> jdub: huh?
[11:11] <mako> tseng: if you're interested, i can connect you
[11:11] <jdub> mxpxpod: it'll load if it's there
[11:11] <mxpxpod> oh, ok
[11:11] <enrico> mdz: followed up.. where?
[11:12] <ajmitch> morning
[11:13] <dholbach> hi ajmitch
[11:14] <enrico> mdz: I wouldn't mind to discuss that, but I'd really like not to embark on that before hoary releases
[11:15] <mdz> enrico: as you can see from my earlier messages, I'm even more cautious about it
[11:16] <mdz> enrico: followed up to ubuntu-doc, of course
[11:16] <mdz> he CCed me, and Sean Wheller
[11:16] <srbaker> can someone tell me what multiarch is?
[11:16] <enrico> mdz: I can't find his mail, I'll try again
[11:17] <enrico> mdz: can't find it because I didn't get it; however Sean quoted him in the list
[11:17] <enrico> I could remind something about the mail, but I couldn't reply the mail itself, nor I could find it
[11:17] <mdz> it's not in the list archives
[11:17] <mdz> but ubuntu-doc was in the To: header
[11:18] <mdz> probably it is in the moderation queue
[11:18] <mdz> yes, it is
[11:18] <mdz> moderated
[11:18] <ajmitch> mako: CoC should be attached this time
[11:18] <mako> ajmitch: :)
[11:20] <sivang> night everyone
[11:20] <sivang> Zzzz
[11:22] <enrico> mdz: Heading to bed, I'll reply to that tomorrow: thanks!
[11:22] <dholbach> sleep tight sivang
[11:24] <sivang> dholbach: tnx, night
[11:24] <enrico> jdub: please drop me a note as soon as you have the commit list ready, as I need to communicate that to Elmo
[11:24] <jdub> enrico: will do
[11:25] <elmo> or just tell me :)
[11:27] <Mithrandir> uhm, why isn't there an ubuntu-calendar-february on amd64, just on i386?
[11:27] <mxpxpod> Mithrandir: it's on powerpc too ;)
[11:28] <pitti> good night
[11:28] <dholbach> Mithrandir: i have it on amd64
[11:28] <jdub> ah, crap
[11:29] <jdub> now i'm getting spam with list ids
[11:29] <Mithrandir> dholbach: yeah, just maswan's mirror being out of date.
[11:29] <Mithrandir> maswan: you mirror is out of date.
[11:29] <Mithrandir> Kamion: did you get anywhere with the ia32 problem?
[11:35] <daniels> mdz: think I've slammed everything through, but need to catch a couple of hours.  to get connectivity back, I'd need to reboot my workstation (acx111 is flaky), and it's in the middle of a build, so no.  debconf, live CD, FTBFS, everything but i810 CRTs (and I might be picking up an i845 later today) should all be fixed with this stuff.
[11:36] <mdz> daniels: perhaps I could upload a version with the dexconf fix?
[11:37] <daniels> mdz: not worth bothering.  by the time it hits the archives, I'll be up and looking over this build success, and sending it out for testing on davis and concordia before I upload.
[11:40] <daniels> mdz: (assuming, say, 15min for the upload to katie, 10min for the buildds to get kicked, 2-3h [maybe more?]  for halley to build it, 10min for katie to notice upload, 15min to get included in a pulse; by that time, I've already uploaded ubuntu13, pretty much)
[11:59] <lifeless> evolution sucks, kthnxbye
[11:59] <lifeless> ps x | grep spamd | wc -l
[11:59] <lifeless> 43
[11:59] <lifeless> just got back 800Mb of RAM.
[12:00] <HrdwrBoB> it's evolutions fault spamassasin sucks?


[06:55] <ara> morning all!
[20:49] <Faran> Hey everyone, just updated the "how to get involved" section on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing . my first edit on the wiki . let me know what you think