[05:30] <plonemall> to update and install
[05:30] <IGxMyzt> no, i want redhat to die
[05:30] <IGxMyzt> im just worried it will do what it did to my windows xp
[05:30] <plonemall> for example trying to install gizmo and it asking me what is the password
[05:30] <Nachtengel> plonemall, sudo grants you root priveledges for the current command, so sudo foo would mean execute foo with root priveledges
[05:31] <plonemall> but when I am in gnome
[05:31] <plonemall> graphic
[05:31] <wastrel> gksudo
[05:31] <dc> |NewUser|: i dont think i can find a way, but you can download updates as executables
[05:31] <IGxMyzt> when i popped it in my xp hard drive, it deleted some xp files and i had to reinstall windows
[05:31] <Flannel> plonemall: How are you trying to install gizmo?
[05:31] <|NewUser|> ..
[05:31] <raymond> sudo=teporary root ...kind of...
[05:31] <|NewUser|> dc : due dont want to download those all again :<
[05:31] <plonemall> downloaded the pagckage from thiers site
[05:31] <Flannel> plonemall: ah.  That password prompt is asking for your user password
[05:32] <wastrel> what's gizmo
[05:32] <derek_> Hi
[05:32] <raymond> gismo is a voip app
[05:32] <dc> |NewUser|: i know, i know ill get it
[05:32] <derek_> I upgraded ubuntu 6.10 to 7.04. Then I got a new entry in System > Administration : Restricted Drivers Manager for ATI accelerated graphics driver. I enabled it. And restarted. It is now showing enabled. But the status is : Not in use. How can I use it?
[05:32] <dc> |NewUser|: this dude who is helping me out is a dbag
[05:32] <plonemall> so no need to change the root
[05:32] <Flannel> derek_: #ubuntu+1 for Feisty support
[05:32] <plonemall> but how it is possible in general
[05:32] <Flannel> plonemall: no.  Put your user password in there.
[05:32] <|NewUser|> dc: as flannel said there is a dir which keeps packages i have documention." http://ubuntuliving.blogspot.com/2007/04/copying-updates-to-other-systems.html " but there is nothing ..
[05:33] <IGxMyzt> quick question: should i try 6.10 alternate, 7.04 or 7.04 alternate?
[05:33] <ubuntuEdgy> wastrel:  just checking how many users are logged on
[05:33] <Jump86> fiery_cleric, ok the confi was already set to make the shares public=yes.. i think i figured it out though.. i found i get the same access denied error if i use and invalid share name.. like sudo mount -t smbfs -0 username=x,password=x //ben-desktop/invalidshare /media/mnt
[05:33] <Flannel> IGxMyzt: alternate CD is a textmode installer.  It will work on ... basically everything.  Since it's not a graphical installer
[05:33] <|NewUser|> i just found this.. through google
[05:33] <plonemall> and now i need to install zope from the command line
[05:33] <kitche> |NewUser|: well feisty hasn't been released yet
[05:33] <Nachtengel> plonemall, you don't want to be root all the time, just for specific commands, much safer for your computer that way
[05:33] <plonemall> and it needs to be as root
[05:33] <plonemall> so what to do
[05:33] <|NewUser|> kitche: it works awsome on my another machine :)
[05:33] <IGxMyzt> ok thanks
[05:33] <plonemall> so to use sudo ...
[05:34] <Flannel> plonemall: zope is in the repositories.
[05:34] <Jump86> fiery_cleric, does the path to the shared folder have to be different when I'm mounting an already mounted drive?
[05:34] <wastrel> ubuntuEdgy:  uptime; users; w
[05:34] <plonemall> not last version
[05:34] <IGxMyzt> so i can install it over redhat without repartitioning?
[05:34] <dc> |NewUser|: i think i figured it out
[05:34] <Flannel> !compile | plonemall
[05:34] <ubotu> plonemall: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[05:34] <plonemall> Zope-2.10.3-final
[05:34] <|NewUser|> dc: gud.. how?
[05:34] <Flannel> actually, you dont want that.
[05:34] <Flannel> !prevu | plonemall
[05:34] <ubotu> plonemall: prevu is an automated, personal backporting utility. Check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Prevu for more details
[05:34] <Jump86> fiery_cleric, i have the shared smb folder under /media/sdd5/TV.. so //ben-desktop/TV or //ben-desktop/media/sdd5/TV? i tried both and same error.. but i think maybe this part is invalid
[05:35] <dc> |NewUser|: one sec
[05:35] <|NewUser|> dc: sure :)
[05:35] <Meshezabeel> IGxMyzt: if you just want to try it get the live cd and try it out, get 7.04
[05:35] <pimpnasty> if I install a game do I have to restart if it didnt tell me to restart
[05:36] <IGxMyzt> i ordered 7.04, so ill try 6.10 til it gets here. less bugs maybe.
[05:36] <IGxMyzt> plus i only have 1 CD-R left...hoping this one works
[05:36] <MistaED> i heard debian 4 has delta apt support now for updates, will feisty have these or will we still see 22+mb replacement package updates every second day?
[05:36] <wastrel> what's delta apt support?
[05:36] <dc> |NewUser|: there are 2 ways to do this, one is hard and will work for sure, one may not work but will be easy
[05:36] <wastrel> ah package list deltas?
[05:36] <wastrel> fun
[05:37] <dc> |NewUser|: do you have aim?
[05:37] <|NewUser|> dc: yuea
[05:37] <IGxMyzt> can i install 6.10 straight over redhat without partitioning/reformat?
[05:37] <dc> |NewUser|: whats your screenname
[05:37] <|NewUser|> dc: ooppsss.. i aint aim :S i have yahoo msn. just.
[05:37] <|NewUser|> *sorry*
[05:37] <wastrel> igor47:  yes, if you're happy with your current partitions and filesystem choices
[05:38] <wastrel> er, IGxMyzt ^^
[05:38] <Meshezabeel> IGxMyzt: 7.04 beta from what I hear actually performs better than 6.10, but I haven't used it yet, maybe someone can correct me if I'm wrong
[05:38] <IGxMyzt> thanks
[05:38] <IGxMyzt> Meshe: I've seen a ton of people having the same error atm
[05:38] <dc> |NewUser|: damn.  whats ur msn
[05:38] <wastrel> actually IGxMyzt the installer will format the partitions unless you tell it not to i think .  it's good though, or you'll have redhat stuff hanging around on the partition
[05:39] <wowow> *hmmm*
[05:39] <IGxMyzt> my redhat is messed up heheh. its old redhat 9 and it's set to the wrong monitor Hz
[05:39] <Meshezabeel> IGxMyzt: you can erase the partitions with the installer
[05:39] <IGxMyzt> thanks, good night
[05:39] <wowow> has anyoone seen ubuntu dapper installs on intel chipset 3/4rs of the way through throw the screen wonky?
[05:39] <IGxMyzt> ill probably see you tomorrow with more problems
[05:39] <Meshezabeel> IGxMyzt: g'night
[05:39] <|NewUser|> dc: u g0t my msg?
[05:39] <grndslm> 4 more days!!!!!!!!
[05:40] <wowow> even the terminal windows are black with one square pixel on it ... thats it
[05:40] <wowow> ideas?
[05:40] <dc> |NewUser|: naw, my thing doens't support messaging, ill send u amessage with mine
[05:40] <jskulski> hey i'm trying to get a wireless card working. it has the rt61 chipset. i've run through the howto and am running into several pecularities
[05:40] <one_speed> fstab question: I'm about to add a new partition, but the current ones have these very long UUID numbers after the device location...is this something I need to find before adding?
[05:40] <jskulski> i think it's stuck on ipv6 mode or something. anyone knowledgable?
[05:40] <peepsalot> is samba really the best option for sharing directories between linux boxes?
[05:40] <dc> |NewUser|: did you get it?
[05:41] <|NewUser|> dc: still not :S
[05:41] <Flannel> one_speed: no, you can use the old (/dev/hdL#) or the new stuff (UUID)
[05:41] <dc> |NewUser|: whatever my username msn is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:42] <|NewUser|> dc: i just add you. there
[05:42] <dc> |NewUser|: send me a message
[05:42] <Flannel> peepsalot: samba is the way to talk to windows, NFS is probably the way to go for homogenous *nix
[05:42] <haxality> what's the dpkg command to clean the list of packages and reconcile what's installed with what shows up?
[05:43] <DVS01> hi
[05:43] <dc> |NewUser|: whatever it doenst work
[05:43] <|NewUser|> dc: u are offline dude..
[05:43] <dc> |NewUser|: heres what to do
[05:43] <|NewUser|> dc: it doesnt workg
[05:44] <DVS01> i am switching from windows to linux on my laptop. i am trying to decide between 3 different distro bases; redhat, debian, and gentoo
[05:44] <invisiblepinkuni> i am unable to use TAB for auto complete in the terminal/shell
[05:44] <haxality> nevermind.
[05:44] <DVS01> if i go for a debian based distro, i'm going for ubuntu
[05:44] <dc> |NewUser|: on the good computer go to /var/cache/apt
[05:44] <DVS01> having trouble deciding though
[05:44] <peepsalot> Flannel, i read this while searching about NFS: "NFS doesn't have nearly as good a security system (it performs a
[05:44] <peepsalot> credential lookup on the client system, which can theoretically be
[05:44] <peepsalot> spoofed - yikes!)"
[05:44] <wastrel> DVS01: the answer is "debian based"
[05:44] <|NewUser|> dc: yea tha
[05:44] <|NewUser|> *n
[05:44] <peepsalot> is that true?
[05:45] <dc> |NewUser|: back up the old computer's folder like that and then move that folder to the un-updated computer
[05:45] <wastrel> smb has better security than nfs ?
[05:45] <DVS01> wastrel: why?
[05:45] <dc> |NewUser|: then run sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:45] <|NewUser|> dc: but in this dir i dont have nothing.
[05:45] <wastrel> DVS01:  the package management system is soooooooooooooooooooooooo much better
[05:45] <wastrel> sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much better
[05:45] <DVS01> wastrel: thats what ive been told
[05:46] <wastrel> it's true :]
[05:46] <|NewUser|> dc: i try to look my self ls -ltra /var/cache/apt
[05:46] <|NewUser|> there is nothign
[05:46] <invisiblepinkuni> i am unable to use tab for auto completion... like "mplayer abcd.flv", when i type TAB after abc its not autocompleting... how can i change this behaviour?
[05:46] <dc> |NewUser|: just do a sudo cp to a folder on the desktop
[05:46] <|NewUser|> dc can i msg you in pvt?
[05:46] <quixote9> DVS01, package management really is better, forums (ie help) is way better
[05:46] <gnychis> whenever i boot the ubuntu livecd 6.10, i get no mouse or keyboard, any ideas?
[05:46] <Varanger> hello
[05:46] <dc> |NewUser|: i dont have ability to do that, im using irssi
[05:46] <DVS01> wastrel: i'm pretty much set on that.. however.. i'm also having trouble deciding between gnome and kde. if i want to have both available, should i go ubuntu+kde, or kubuntu+gnome?
[05:47] <|NewUser|> dc: nevamind join a any other channel ? if u dont mind ?
[05:47] <Varanger> When will the final version of Fawn be out???
[05:47] <wastrel> invisiblepinkuni:  it's probably that thingy where the bash autocomplete is trying to be too smarty for you.  and only complete things it "knows" mplayer can play.  i forget the fix... sec.
[05:47] <dc> |NewUser|: umm channel name DCDCDC
[05:47] <|NewUser|> dc: ok
[05:47] <quixote9> DVS01: I use kubuntu, so I'd say kubuntu + gnome.  but either way would work, I'm sure.
[05:48] <wastrel> DVS01:  ubuntu + apt-get install kubuntu-desktop   versus  kubuntu + apt-get install ubuntu-desktop   pretty much the same thing
[05:48] <arrow> I put automatix on my computer and unotu recomends reinstalling ubuntu, any advice before I do start?
[05:48] <invisiblepinkuni> wastrel: yes, its trying to be clever... only completing stuff for that program... how can I fix it ?
[05:48] <DVS01> quixote9 and wastrel, thanks
[05:48] <clearzen> Does anyone know if rsync acts like ftp by connecting to a random port on the receiving computer to transmit data?
[05:48] <wowow> *hmm*
[05:48] <gnychis> whenever i boot the ubuntu livecd 6.10, i get no mouse or keyboard, any ideas?
[05:49] <arrow> gnychis, did you verify the cd?
[05:49] <wastrel> invisiblepinkuni:  comment out the lines about bash_completion  in /etc/bash.bashrc  and relog
[05:49] <Jump86> fiery_cleric, i got it working! changing the security=share is what did it.. thanks again!
[05:49] <invisiblepinkuni> wastrel: will do that... thanks a lot. :)
[05:51] <peepsalot> has anyone here used openAFS?
[05:51] <DVS01> is there a specific way that ubuntu organizes software? i seem to have noticed some differences in how /usr is treated by debian-based and redhat-based oses
[05:51] <wastrel> what's gizmo?
[05:51] <peepsalot> !info gizmo
[05:51] <gnychis> whenever i boot the ubuntu livecd 6.10, i get no mouse or keyboard, any ideas?  i've tried burning the 6.10 cd twice and both cd's have the problem
[05:51] <ubotu> Package gizmo does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[05:52] <peepsalot> dunno
[05:52] <wastrel> DVS01:  anything in the package system official repository is going to be placed under /usr  rather than /usr/local
[05:52] <wastrel> any packages acutally i believe
[05:52] <DVS01> what would the purpose of /usr/local be then?
[05:52] <Pelo> gnychis,  usb mouse and kb ?
[05:53] <wastrel> DVS01:  /usr/local for stuff you install yourself from source, binary non-debian packages...
[05:53] <DVS01> ahhh
[05:53] <jskulski> what is wlan0 vs ra0
[05:53] <pimpnasty> is there anything better then wine  because wine + steam sucks
[05:54] <gnychis> Pelo: they are ps2
[05:54] <wastrel> jskulski:  it depends on your wifi driver i think.  just the name of the interface device
[05:54] <jskulski> hmm
[05:54] <pimpnasty> what?
[05:54] <Pelo> gnychis, do you get as far as the boot menu ? do they work at that point ?
[05:55] <pimpnasty> anyone know a better program then wine?
[05:55] <DVS01> i am going to be using this laptop for multimedia, gaming, desktop use. with that in mind, should i get the 32bit or 64bit distro? would there be compatibility problems if using x86_64 with wine, or packages not compiled in 64bit?
[05:55] <wastrel> pimpnasty:  vmware, qemu are the next step
[05:55] <Pelo> pimpnasty,   try asking for help in #wnehq  they may know a trick or two for you
[05:55] <rajlinux> Hi, I am searching for any article describing the serial driver layer changes from Linux kernel 2.4 to 2.5..can anybody help me?
[05:55] <redwyrm> pimpnasty, Cedega
[05:55] <gnychis> Pelo: i get to the boot menu yes, then i try to boot in to the desktop environment and neither work in that environment
[05:55] <DVS01> yea try cedega
[05:55] <sword_> how do i remove a repository from /etc/apt/sources.list???
[05:55] <wastrel> ah true cedega
[05:55] <pimpnasty> okay
[05:56] <redwyrm> Cedega is a proprietary fork of Wine
[05:56] <wastrel> sword_:  delete the line in the list (or comment it out with a # at the beginning),  then  sudo apt-get update
[05:56] <Pelo> gnychis,  try with the alternate install cd it's text based
[05:56] <sword_> but /etc/apt/sources.list is "read only"
[05:56] <gnychis> Pelo: which cd is that?
[05:56] <wastrel> sword_:  make a backup of the working copy before making changes
[05:56] <Pelo> sword_,  do it throught synaptic
[05:56] <wastrel> sword_:  you'll need to use sudo to edit system files.
[05:57] <Pelo> gnychis,   you can download it fom the ubuntu.com site,  it is called alternate install
[05:57] <sword_> synaptic doesn't show me that repository as its invalid (typing error)
[05:57] <wowow> does ubuntu have an installer team channel?
[05:57] <sword_> how do i get sudo?
[05:57] <wastrel> !sudo | sword_
[05:57] <ubotu> sword_: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[05:57] <Pelo> sword_,   sudo gedit /etc/sources.list
[05:57] <wastrel> Pelo sword_  use gksudo for graphical programs
[05:58] <DVS01> how should i decide whether i should get the 32bit or 64bit distro? would there be compatibility problems if using x86_64 with wine, or packages not compiled in 64bit?
[05:58] <Pelo> DVS01,  the 64 bit is overrated as I understand it,  you wont, have any problem using the 32 bit on a 64bit system
[05:58] <DVS01> werd
[05:58] <sword_> got it..i was using $gksudo...
[05:58] <gnychis> Pelo: hmmmm i don't see it on the website
[05:58] <Pelo> gnychis,  in the download section ?
[05:58] <Pelo> !alternate
[05:58] <ubotu> The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[05:59] <wastrel> the problem with 64 bit as far as i understand it, is that binary/proprietary stuff like flash plugin doesn't work because it's only avail in 32
[05:59] <Omg123wtf> Where is the config file where I can keep my monitor from going to "sleep mode" after like 15 minutes?
[05:59] <wastrel> but some people make a 32bit chroot for that stuff
[05:59] <Pelo> hmmm thought they were suppose to had a link
[05:59] <jskulski> how can i tell what device is tied to what driver? the driver documentation is all aout ra0 but the only device i have is wlan0
[05:59] <wastrel> i dunno myself, never used 64
[06:00] <gnychis> Pelo: i only see 6.10 and 6.10LTS
[06:00] <Pelo> gnychis,   6.10 is the current version
[06:00] <draeath> Does one of CFLAGS / CXXFLAGS get put into the other, or should I set them both?
[06:00] <sword_> whats the difference between 'Binary' and 'Source' in different repositories in Synaptic??
[06:00] <gnychis> Pelo: correct, but where is the "alternate" version i'm looking for
[06:00] <DVS01> so using 64bit doesnt seem worth it at this point then.. except for one issue.. emulation with things like wine and vmware.. is there any difference?
[06:01] <Flannel> sword_: source downloads the source, binary downloads the binary files (executables)
[06:01] <solid_liq> um, anyone know a livecd for amd64 I can use to get into my JFS on LVM system that I upgraded to 7.04?  it won't boot now...
[06:01] <Pelo> gnychis,  either
[06:01] <wastrel> sword_:  just what it says, the source repos contain source packages, for if you want to compile the program yourself.
[06:01] <draeath> DVS01, wine doesn't really work on 64-bit, vmware does with the any-any patch
[06:01] <DVS01> alright, so im going 32bit then
[06:02] <Pelo> solid_liq,  ask in #ubuntu+1
[06:02] <draeath> DVS01, but you can run in a 32-bit chroot
[06:02] <Omg123wtf> Anyone know how I keep my monitor from going to sleep mode?
[06:02] <DVS01> true
[06:02] <solid_liq> Pelo, thanks
[06:02] <draeath> DVS01, its complicated though :D
[06:02] <DVS01> yeah, seems not worth it
[06:02] <draeath> DVS01, not yet. Kind of reminds me of the 16/32 days
[06:03] <DVS01> im trying to decide between dual boot linux+windows, or just run windows in a vmware/qemu/whatever and set its affinity to my second core (using a core2duo)?
[06:03] <solid_liq> draeath, turn off power management in your DE ;)
[06:04] <Omg123wtf> DVS01, what are you going to be doing in Windows?
[06:04] <Pelo> DVS01,  if you don'T mind the reboot go for dual boot
[06:04] <draeath> solid_liq, what?
[06:04] <jskulski> how does a driver decide what device its going to be called
[06:04] <jskulski> its not in the source
[06:04] <DVS01> Omg123wtf: not too sure at this point.. probably mainly for legacy purposes.. i MIGHT do it for gaming, but i am avoiding that so i can force myself to work with wine/cedega
[06:04] <LordLimeca1> i need some help, i compiled my own kernel (because of issues with current one), and on reboot networking doesnt work
[06:05] <Pelo> jskulski,  it checks the device
[06:05] <LordLimeca1> i could REALLY use some help, been struggling for hours
[06:05] <DVS01> LordLimeca1: no network devices detected?
[06:05] <gnychis> Pelo: so is it an option when i boot up? alternate mode?
[06:05] <Omg123wtf> DVS01, you will not be able to do any gaming in  VMware.  You want to duel boot.
[06:05] <LordLimeca1> well, it DOES detect, and i have an ip, and i can ping, but irc (irssi) and web (lynx, firefox) doesnt work
[06:05] <Pelo> LordLimeca1,  it's not that we don't WANT to help , but not everyone CAN
[06:05] <LordLimeca1> i know :(
[06:06] <LordLimeca1> but the drivers clearly work if i can ping, right?
[06:06] <LordLimeca1> i can ping google, router, local network
[06:06] <draeath> LordLimeca1, yes,
[06:06] <LordLimeca1> but cannot browse google, or connect to freenode.net
[06:06] <draeath> LordLimeca1, what doesn't work
[06:06] <LordLimeca1> irssi -c irc.freenode.net times out
[06:06] <jskulski> is there anything wonky about Keys for WEP like you need a $ like on a mac or what
[06:06] <LordLimeca1> www.google.com (in browser) times out
[06:06] <draeath> LordLimeca1, what happens when you 'telnet www.google.com 80' and type GET /
[06:06] <Pelo> gnychis,  the alternate install cd only installs in  text mode,  and contains no live cd feature,  this is not an option you find on the live cd , it is a diffrent cd altogether
[06:07] <LordLimeca1> id have to check by rebooting
[06:07] <LordLimeca1> but are there any things i can run during reboot that would help?
[06:07] <gnychis> Pelo: yeah but i still can't find the alternate install cd
[06:07] <Amrog> hey all, is there someway to enable universal scroll?
[06:07] <LordLimeca1> 2 reboots will take 10 mins
[06:07] <DVS01> heh i think one of the main reasons im about to choose ubuntu again is due to support =D
[06:07] <LordLimeca1> would dmesg help?
[06:08] <Flannel> gnychis: releases.ubuntu.com
[06:08] <Terraburn> Is it already if i ask a question in here?
[06:08] <Terraburn> alright*
[06:08] <draeath> LordLimeca1, in a console, do 'telnet www.google.com 80' and when you get the escape character type: GET / HTTP/1.1
[06:08] <draeath> LordLimeca1,  do you get anything?
[06:08] <LordLimeca1> alright
[06:08] <Pelo> Terraburn,  just ask
[06:08] <LordLimeca1> i have to reboot to see
[06:08] <draeath> LordLimeca1, dont have another machine to do it through?
[06:08] <LordLimeca1> draeath: im using the old kernel right now, in the new one i cant connect to irc
[06:08] <slvmchn> what's a lightweight image editor (ideally able to edit jpegs and pngs at least) something like mspaint? i don't want to use GIMP every time i want to make small changes to a small image
[06:08] <LordLimeca1> draeath: no
[06:08] <draeath> LordLimeca1, try connecting with IP?
[06:09] <LordLimeca1> not ATM, its down
[06:09] <Terraburn> k. I already read the guides but couldn't find my answer. Im currently running a raid setup with windows on it, and when i went to install ubuntu, it wouldn't see my raid only my two drives individually
[06:09] <hiffy> does anyone remember how to see the mem usage of a given app?
[06:09] <draeath> LordLimeca1, when you get up
[06:09] <Terraburn> I want to keep my windows installing, and be able to boot to Ubuntu
[06:09] <LordLimeca1> draeath: i know that its not dns, because i can ping google, and i did try ip, no connection
[06:09] <LordLimeca1> but ill try telnet
[06:09] <draeath> hmm
[06:09] <LordLimeca1> any other thoughts before i reboot?
[06:09] <pimpnasty> okay im trying  it witch one is my linux dristibion red hat mandrake  gentoo suse debian gnu/ linux gentoo slackware linspire xandros lycoris knoppix other and I have fiesty ubuntu 7.05 or somthing
[06:09] <Flying-Penguin> anyone have ubuntu 6.10 suspend working right?
[06:09] <Flying-Penguin> mine won't recover from the supend
[06:09] <draeath> I dont think telnet will work
[06:09] <draeath> if its not just browsing (you said irc didnt either)
[06:09] <LordLimeca1> correct
[06:09] <pimpnasty> should I select other?
[06:09] <LordLimeca1> and its not firefox, tried lynx
[06:10] <DVS01> does ubuntu use its own customized kernel? if so, would using the latest generic one have any ill effects?
[06:10] <Pelo> gnychis,   I am sorry I didn'T realise it was so hard to get at   http://nl2.releases.ubuntu.com/6.10/
[06:10] <draeath> LordLimeca1, sounds like your missing part of your TCP stack?
[06:10] <LordLimeca1> im not using generic, im using <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:10] <ubuntuEdgy> has any one managed to use MythShutdownCheck successfully ?
[06:10] <wastrel> DVS01:  yes and no, afaik.
[06:10] <LordLimeca1> thats quite possible
[06:10] <LordLimeca1> i removed a lot.....
[06:10] <draeath> hmm
[06:10] <wastrel> !kernel | DVS01
[06:10] <Terraburn> Anyone know how to do what Im trying?
[06:10] <ubotu> DVS01: kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[06:10] <LordLimeca1> woudl seeing my .config help>?
[06:10] <draeath> LordLimeca1 yes, pastebin it
[06:10] <DVS01> thanks
[06:11] <LordLimeca1> i removed ipv6, but thats pretty much it except apple and decnet crap
[06:11] <draeath> LordLimeca1 i'
[06:11] <slvmchn> can anyone help me fix my gnome-panel? one day when i opened the menu up top bugbuddy popped up and said gnome-panel crashed, so the gnome-panel restarts. i can't access my menu without restarting gnome-panel.
[06:11] <draeath> I've compiled a few kernels in my time
[06:11] <Amrog> I just migrated from windows. It was there that when I clicked the mouse wheel on a web page in firefox, It created a reference point, then by moving my mouse away from this point, I could scroll around a web page. This does not happen in ubuntu. Is there someway to make this happen?
[06:11] <LordLimeca1> !paste
[06:11] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:11] <LordLimeca1> draeath: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15901/
[06:12] <LordLimeca1> and thanks LOADS for helping me, till new kernel works, sound doesnt
[06:12] <slvmchn> Amrog: try asking in #firefox
[06:12] <Amrog> ok
[06:12] <slvmchn> what's a lightweight image editor (ideally able to edit jpegs and pngs at least) something like mspaint? i don't want to use GIMP every time i want to make small changes to a small image
[06:12] <LordLimeca1> draeath: probably easiest if you make menuconfig it?
[06:12] <LordLimeca1> see what i removed?
[06:13] <wastrel> Amrog:  try alt+wheel-click  maybe
[06:13] <Flannel> slvmchn: OOo Draw
[06:13] <wastrel> gpaint slvmchn
[06:14] <Arlain> need help. Wireless ssid's are showing up as ot of range when sitting next to router
[06:14] <wastrel> i wouldn't call oodraw lightweight :]
[06:14] <Arlain> can't connect using wireless
[06:14] <Terraburn> Anyone here good with RAIDs and Ubuntu?
[06:14] <seamus7> Hi.. what version of Feisty is now available ... still just Beta or RC? where can I get the latest?
[06:15] <cafuego> Terraburn: define 'raid'.
[06:16] <Terraburn> Im running a raid 0
[06:16] <Pelo> seamus7,  #ubuntu+1
[06:16] <Terraburn> with xp on it
[06:16] <Terraburn> and I want to install Ubuntu on it
[06:16] <Terraburn> without losing windows
[06:16] <Arlain> need help. Wireless ssid's are showing up as ot of range when sitting next to router
[06:17] <Terraburn> But Ub won't read my raid
[06:17] <Arlain> can't connect using wireless, any know?
[06:17] <Terraburn> only thw two drives individually
[06:17] <LordLimeca1> Arlain: IANAE, but a thought or 2...
[06:17] <Pelo> Terraburn,  check the forum, I am sure there is something on this
[06:17] <cafuego> Terraburn: software raid eh. you need device-mapper. I'm not touching that with a ten foot pole.
[06:17] <Arlain> ...?
[06:17] <LordLimeca1> Arlain: is the wirelessusing encryption?
[06:17] <Terraburn> heh
[06:17] <Flannel> Terraburn: This is with the alternate CD?
[06:17] <LordLimeca1> if so, what kind
[06:17] <Madpilot> Terraburn, Linux can't read some fakeRAID stuff
[06:17] <cafuego> Terraburn: Incidentally, raid0 means you lose all data when even a single disk fails.
[06:17] <Terraburn> I looked for a good time, couldn't find anything
[06:17] <Terraburn> Its with the reg raid
[06:18] <Arlain> this one is, yes, but i cannot conenct to even unecrypted networks
[06:18] <Terraburn> err, regular ubunto
[06:18] <Terraburn> not alternate
[06:18] <LordLimeca1> Arlain: is it a usb wireless card?
[06:18] <LordLimeca1> like, those crappy linksys ones?
[06:18] <Flannel> Terraburn: you'll need the alternate CD
[06:18] <Terraburn> Ok
[06:18] <Flannel> Terraburn: although, I can't say for sure it'll work.  But Desktop CD doesn't have RAID stuff
[06:18] <cafuego> Terraburn: Check the ubuntu wiki and look for device-mapper (dmraid). There should eb some stuff there.
[06:19] <Flannel> !raid
[06:19] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[06:19] <cafuego> Flannel: it does, but kernel mode (md) raid.
[06:19] <Pelo> Terraburn,  can you have  a raid that only uses a part of one of the hdds ?  try making a partition for ubuntu on one of the hdd and install it on that ,
[06:19] <Terraburn> Yea I made a partition, but it would not see it
[06:19] <Arlain> doubt it, it's an intell wireless 2200, it's internal
[06:19] <Terraburn> only the two drives
[06:19] <Terraburn> Im assuming its cause its not the LTS version?
[06:20] <Pelo> nothign to do with that
[06:20] <Arlain> every network i connect to i get a connection failed.
[06:20] <cafuego> Your on-board raid chip handles raid in a proprietary way.
[06:20] <Flannel> Terraburn: Alternate CD is for every version.  But the new download thing is stupid.  use http://releases.ubuntu.com/
[06:20] <plonemall> how can I connect 2 ubuntu machines
[06:20] <wastrel> plonemall:  what are you trying to do?
[06:20] <plonemall> the both connected to router
[06:20] <plonemall> share files
[06:21] <plonemall> move from one to the other
[06:21] <mbi> How do I do multicasting in Linux?
[06:21] <wastrel> plonemall:  open up nautilus
[06:21] <Arlain> lorelimeca1, any idea?
[06:21] <Arlain> lordlimeca1, any idea?
[06:21] <wastrel> plonemall:  er, first you need openssh-server installed on the system you're connecting to
[06:21] <plonemall> it is possible to do it using the gnome?
[06:21] <draeath> LordLimeca1, hmm, im not seeing what the problem might be. I notice a lot of networking is set as modules... did you do "make modules_install"?
[06:22] <wastrel> plonemall:  can you ssh to the remote machine?
[06:22] <Terraburn> Should I get 6.06 or 6.10, or will it not matter?
[06:22] <DVS01> whats the difference between the ubuntu kernel and generic kernel?
[06:22] <plonemall> not sure
[06:22] <draeath> LordLimeca1, my usual procedure is 'make mrproper && make clean && make menuconfig && make && make modules_install'
[06:22] <plonemall> openssl is coming with ubuntu?
[06:22] <LordLimeca1> draeath: i grabbed source, linked to linux (after cleaning out old part), ran make menuconfig, make-kpkg clean, then compile
[06:22] <wastrel> plonemall:  can you install packages on the remote machine?  (no openssh is not default)
[06:23] <LordLimeca1> hmmmm
[06:23] <draeath> DVS01, the ubuntu kernel has had some extra patches
[06:23] <Flannel> !kernel | DVS01
[06:23] <ubotu> DVS01: kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[06:23] <Pelo> DVS01,  generic kernel is only a bogus packages that selects the correct kernel for your machine
[06:23] <LordLimeca1> draeath: whats make clean DO exactly
[06:23] <wastrel> Flannel:  i already did that
[06:23] <Pelo> more or less
[06:23] <Flannel> wastrel: I know.  He mustn't have read it
[06:23] <plonemall> wastrel, the machine is also connected to the internet
[06:23] <draeath> LordLimeca1 it removes object and linker files that have been built.
[06:23] <LordLimeca1> draeath: and how does it differ from make-kpkg clean?  also, whats make mrproper?  Finally, where can i find the .config for ubuntu?
[06:23] <Arlain> anyone know how to make this work?
[06:24] <wastrel> plonemall:  can you install packages on the remote machine?   install the package   openssh-server
[06:24] <LordLimeca1> oh, and is make clean the same as rm -rf /usr/src/linux?
[06:24] <pimpnasty> on xp I had a program called synergy
[06:24] <LordLimeca1> +unzipping+relinking
[06:24] <draeath> LordLimeca1, make mrproper cleans the source tree out completely to be suitable for distribution. Not sure what make-kpkg is. .config is in /boot. Mine is /boot/config-2.6.17-11-generic
[06:24] <wastrel> Arlain:  ipw2200 Just Works  for me...
[06:24] <Pelo> Arlain,  search the forum for your hardware
[06:24] <LordLimeca1> i dont see it in there
[06:25] <plonemall> wasterl, ok and after that
[06:25] <Arlain> i have the drivers.
[06:25] <LordLimeca1> viewing hidden files too
[06:25] <Arlain> the drivers are installed in my device manager
[06:25] <Arlain> it's jsut not working
[06:25] <wastrel> plonemall:  on the local system, open nautilus
[06:25] <draeath> LordLimeca1, hmm, ive also installed the generic kernel and headers too. You might need hte kernel headers package? hold on and I'll find out
[06:25] <Amrog> if somebody tells me to do something, then says "sudo gedit /etc/hosts" what does this sudo mean?
[06:25] <wastrel> Arlain:  lsmod | grep 2200
[06:25] <Pelo> g'night foks
[06:25] <Arlain> what?
[06:25] <Flannel> !sudo | Amrog
[06:25] <wastrel> Amrog:  use gksudo
[06:26] <ubotu> Amrog: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[06:26] <Arlain> wastrel, i'm a lil new to this, what the heck is that?
[06:26] <wastrel> Arlain:  it is a command line command   lsmod | grep 2200    tells you if the ipw2200 driver is running
[06:26] <Amrog> ok.
[06:26] <Arlain> ok, i got a print out
[06:26] <Arlain> how can i tell
[06:27] <wastrel> Arlain:  does it say  ipw2200 ?
[06:27] <Arlain> yeah,s ays ipw2200 113476 0
[06:27] <LordLimeca1> draeath: i followed this : http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_ubuntu almost to a T, but used the latest kernel instead
[06:27] <LordLimeca1> only other deviation was the kernel name
[06:27] <Arlain> ieee80211 3608 1
[06:27] <arooni> hey folks.............. my firefox 2.0.3 crashes 5 times a day on ubuntu 6.10 .. ideas?
[06:27] <wastrel> Arlain:  ok that tells us that at least the driver is running
[06:28] <LordLimeca1> but you think its a make menuconfig error?  i can re-make it and use the ubuntu config as a baseline...
[06:28] <wastrel> Arlain:  how about iwconfig  (don't paste :)   do you see anything interesting in there?
[06:28] <draeath> LordLimeca1, my /boot/config was isntalled as part as the 'linux-image-2.6.17-11-generic' package
[06:28] <Arlain> iwconfig? not familiar
[06:28] <LordLimeca1> draeath: found the config :)
[06:28] <Flannel> LordLimeca1: howtoforge is really bad. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[06:28] <plonemall> what is nautilus
[06:28] <draeath> LordLimeca1, you may be interested int he kernel option that puts the config in /proc :D
[06:28] <jase090> Hello people can anyone help me?
[06:28] <wastrel> Arlain:  another command line command
[06:28] <Arlain> yeah, got a print out
[06:29] <draeath> LordLimeca1, I just used what I remember from tldp.org, debian woody, and gentoo
[06:29] <Arlain> what should i look for
[06:29] <wastrel> plonemall:  it's the program you use in gnome for looking at files
[06:29] <plonemall> ok
[06:29] <draeath> LordLimeca1, i know that procedure I gave you works... but you do have to copy everything into /boot and set up grub to use it...
[06:29] <jase090> Im currently running Xandros... because its the only distro that auto configures my RALINK RT73 minipci/usb wifi card.... But I hate Xandros!
[06:29] <wastrel> Arlain:  one of the entries will have info, the rest will probably be blank  or "no wireless..."
[06:29] <draeath> LordLimeca1, it also doesn't use initrd that way... not that I've ever had an issue missing it
[06:29] <cara> Hi is the restricted driver manager available in efty edge?
[06:29] <pirothezero> just wondering if someone can explain this: last night I had to copy one drive to another and I used a live cd to do it, upon sticking the drive into my main computer when i went to the directory of the hard drive every folder was fine except for one that had the lock symbol and everything was owner 999 yet i could still open the directory
[06:29] <Arlain> wastrel, got a print out says same thing i would expect it too. says no connection
[06:29] <pirothezero> no idea what user 999 is
[06:30] <LordLimeca1> draeath: what people need are not howtos for things like kernel builds, theyre a helping hand and some good old fashioned f### ups :)
[06:30] <Arlain> lists the last ssid i tried to connect to, but 0 signal
[06:30] <draeath> LordLimeca1, use '?' a LOT in make menuconfig :P
[06:30] <wastrel> Arlain:  this is on eth1 ?
[06:30] <Arlain> yeah
[06:30] <rajlinux> Hi, I am searching for any article describing the serial driver layer changes from Linux kernel 2.4 to 2.5..can anybody help me?
[06:30] <LordLimeca1> but guides i dont like, because when somethings slightly different (ie, you use dapper instead of edgy) the guide makes things worse
[06:30] <LordLimeca1> draeath: yea, i spent like 1hr in there :)
[06:30] <Arlain> unassociated essid: ____
[06:30] <LordLimeca1> when should something be a module, and when statically configged
[06:30] <jase090> anyone know how I can copy wifi configuration from one distro to another?
[06:30] <LordLimeca1> isnt static faster?
[06:31] <wastrel> plonemall:  in nautilus go to  File > Connect to server    change the  Service type to  SSH  and put in the address of the remote system
[06:31] <wastrel> plonemall:  this will let you connect and move files
[06:31] <Flannel> LordLimeca1: Howto Forge is always a bad place to go for stuff.  Use the community documentation, and usually it's pretty up to date re: versioning
[06:31] <Arlain> with wireless assistant's gui i can see ssids and what not, i can even attempt to conenct to em, i jsut get ana sston of fails
[06:31] <plonemall> wastrel, the address is the ip?
[06:31] <cara> !restricted drivers
[06:31] <wastrel> plonemall:  yes
[06:31] <cara> lol
[06:32] <cara> sigh
[06:32] <wastrel> Arlain:  this is  system > administration > networking  ?
[06:32] <plonemall> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[06:32] <InnerFIRE> does anyone use Democracy player
[06:32] <plonemall> this is when trying to install openssh
[06:32] <jase090> does anyone know if Ubuntu supports Ralink (RAUSB0) is the device name
[06:32] <Arlain> naw, applications wireless assistant, 3rd party app i beleive
[06:32] <puff> I'm trying to help a friend get his netopia 3D pcmcia card working.
[06:33] <redwyrm> jase090, from what I've heard, Ralink is a linux-friendly company
[06:33] <draeath> LordLimeca1, i have seem books on the linux kernel in the bookstores :P
[06:33] <Arlain> in adnibistration/\>networking i get a disconnected message, and when trying to confiure it, it doesn't seem to scan for ssids
[06:33] <wastrel> plonemall:   that means you have synaptic open or another apt-get or aptitude running
[06:33] <plonemall> wastrel: both computer on the same router - so they will have diffrent ip  address?
[06:33] <l0rdbalthazar> How can I make useradd not copy the 'Examples' folder to the ~/ for users?
[06:33] <Antioch> How do I submit packages to the uni-/multiverse?
[06:33] <Arlain> it's almost as thought it's not trying.
[06:33] <rajlinux> Hi, I am searching for any article describing the serial driver layer changes from Linux kernel 2.4 to 2.5..can anybody help me?
[06:33] <wastrel> Arlain:  it doesn't scan.  for that you put in the ssid manually
[06:33] <Flannel> Antioch: what sort of patches?
[06:33] <wastrel> (but it works... :)
[06:33] <Arlain> i put in my ssid
[06:33] <Antioch> Flannel not a patch, a program that does not exist in it.
[06:33] <Arlain> tand it didn'
[06:33] <wastrel> and your wep key?
[06:34] <wastrel> do you have WPA Arlain ?
[06:34] <jase090> red, I always have troubles getting the device working
[06:34] <kylecasey> just bought my new battery backup and used synaptic to get the apc program installed any ideas as to why i cant find it anywhere?it does see the backup as being connected
[06:34] <Arlain> unencrypted wireless, again
[06:34] <Flannel> Antioch: ah.  #ubuntu-motu  go talk to the MOTU
[06:34] <DM|> so i think im going to update to Feisty today, how about it guys
[06:34] <DVS01> can i install windows games on an ext3 partition? (for use with wine)
[06:34] <Antioch> Thanks
[06:34] <wastrel> ok.
[06:34] <Arlain> i have mine that as eas, or whatever... but i am trying a network unencrypted at the moment
[06:34] <Amrog> if I want to install something other than ubuntu, but i want to preserve my settings for programs like firefox, can I do this?
[06:34] <kernel06> anyone have used airlink wireless mimo pcmcia with ubuntu 6.10. it detects it but i couldn't make it work....any idea...
[06:34] <jase090> DVS01, yes im sure you can
[06:34] <DVS01> cool
[06:34] <DM|> DVS01 yes
[06:34] <D--> Hey, is anyone running Fesity?
[06:34] <DM|> DVS01 i installed wow on my main partition ext3
[06:34] <D--> The new updates just TRASHED locale support
[06:34] <DVS01> werd
[06:35] <detectiveinspekt> I can't play DVD movies using totem or mplayer I have installed libdvdread3
[06:35] <jase090> anyone played Frets on Fire?
[06:35] <Arlain> it doesn't even ask for a WEP, it's demands that i give it an ascii password, or a hexidecimal one
[06:35] <D--> the Chinese and Japanese locals are mangled. You cannot even add them using dpkg-reconfigure
[06:35] <Arlain> is that laymans terms for wep key?
[06:35] <draeath> jase090, yes, and it ran horribly slow for what it is
[06:35] <puff> Is there anything special you need to do to get a PCMCIA wireless card working?
[06:35] <wastrel> Arlain:  yes
[06:35] <Flannel> D--: #ubuntu+1 for Feisty.  Also, launchpad.net for bug reports
[06:35] <draeath> Arlain, no
[06:35] <D--> I can never post to launchpad :-/
[06:35] <Arlain> ..
[06:35] <jase090> draeath, I had so much trouble trying to get it to work on xandros I gave up
[06:35] <Flannel> D--: why not?
[06:36] <kylecasey> anyone using apc with their system?
[06:36] <robbie_crash> Is there a way to change what unit terminal uses to show file sizes?
[06:36] <Arlain> well, i can't leave the field blank, with the correct ssid filled in,
[06:36] <D--> Flannel: Because it doesn't work
[06:36] <Arlain> when i hit close, anda happens
[06:36] <wastrel> Arlain:  afaik the "password" there is the wep key.  at least, when i put my wep key in the 'password' box it connects :]
[06:36] <Arlain> stays disconnected
[06:36] <robbie_crash> Like change from KB to MB
[06:36] <wastrel> Arlain:  do you also have network-manager running ?
[06:36] <Flannel> robbie_crash: -h
[06:36] <exs> does anyone know any rss feds to keep up with ubuntu news and releases? thanks
[06:36] <Arlain> i don't beleive so
[06:37] <Arlain> i put on that wpa wireless app that conflicts with network manager
[06:37] <jase090> how do you switch between distros in linux?
[06:37] <robbie_crash> Flannel: but all across the board?
[06:37] <jase090> chroot?
[06:37] <Arlain> kwlan
[06:37] <kernel06> has anyone got wireless pcmcia card working
[06:37] <l0rdbalthazar> How can I make useradd not copy the 'Examples' folder to the ~/ for users?
[06:37] <Flannel> robbie_crash: eh?  That'd be for ls.
[06:37] <wastrel> ok.  well it's annoying but at this point i'd be looking at my /etc/network/interfaces   to make sure it looks sane
[06:37] <robbie_crash> like for top, df, and all that?
[06:37] <Flannel> robbie_crash: most of htem have an -h option, actually
[06:37] <wastrel> l0rdbalthazar:  remove the Examples link from /etc/skel
[06:37] <l0rdbalthazar> Thanks.
[06:37] <LordLimeca1> draeath: the will getting the feisty version work fine?
[06:37] <Arlain> i don't know what sane looks like in linux buddy
[06:37] <Arlain> first day here.
[06:37] <robbie_crash> ok, but nothing that you know of by default?
[06:38] <LordLimeca1> correction, git-ing
[06:38] <draeath> I like how I reported my but on 4/8 and have yet to even have a glance at it
[06:38] <DVS01> ooh
[06:38] <draeath> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eclipse/+bug/104319
[06:38] <DVS01> the new cedega looks very sweet =D
[06:38] <draeath> I even provided a fix!
[06:38] <jase090> draeath, how many dependencies did you have to compile yourself?
[06:38] <Arlain> draeath any ideas?
[06:38] <LordLimeca1> DVS01: is cedega really that much better than wine?
[06:38] <draeath> LordLimeca1, question: what do you need to roll your own for?
[06:38] <jase090> for FoF
[06:38] <draeath> jase090, I gave up and downloaded the windows binary :D
[06:39] <jase090> HEHE
[06:39] <deathbringer> hey
[06:39] <jase090> i no longer have WIN
[06:39] <LordLimeca1> draeath: after update to kernel headers (or somethin ) on saturday @ 7am, alsa and sound stopped working
[06:39] <draeath> jase090, I do, for things like Reason and FLStudio
[06:39] <plonemall> is there good firewall with ubuntu
[06:39] <bluefox83> heh, uh....what is the usual chmod level for letting a regular user read/write and access a file?
[06:39] <LordLimeca1> wishie in #alsa suggested that it will not work in this kernel
[06:39] <jase090> SAME HERE!
[06:39] <LordLimeca1> when trying to load the driver, i get a kernel oops
[06:39] <jase090> but lost Vista
[06:39] <pimpnasty> cedega works like a charm
[06:39] <Arlain> should i have network manager running?
[06:39] <plonemall> ok openssh installed
[06:39] <jase090> due to fiddling with linux
[06:39] <Flannel> robbie_crash: that is how.
[06:39] <draeath> pimpnasty, not when it comes to www.flstudio.com or properllerheads.se
[06:39] <Flannel> robbie_crash: er, not that I know of.  No.  I can't imagine there'd be one.
[06:39] <LordLimeca1> it was suggested that, since kernel saying oops=bad, a new kernel was needed
[06:40] <draeath> pimpnasty, some things just don't work in wine/winex
[06:40] <robbie_crash> ok, thanks!
[06:40] <wastrel> Arlain:  no
[06:40] <wastrel> Arlain:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15906/     that's my entry for eth1
[06:40] <pimpnasty> well for steam cedega hits it on the dog
[06:40] <pimpnasty> dot
[06:40] <wastrel> Arlain:  yours should look similar
[06:40] <jase090> draeath, Linux doesnt have the greatest music tools does it
[06:40] <draeath> LordLimeca1, hmm, personally Ive never had issues like that. I guess I just know my hardware REALLY well :D
[06:40] <pimpnasty> plus its only 5 dollars a month
[06:40] <deathbringer> how u all doin
[06:40] <jase090> anyone got RALINK wifi on ubuntu?
[06:40] <wastrel> Arlain:  (that's in /etc/network/interfaces)
[06:41] <draeath> jase090, no. It annoys me that I see all these programs that come for both Win and OSX... now how hard would a linux binary of some kind be?
[06:41] <Arlain> in the file browser?
[06:41] <LordLimeca1> draeath: we went through finding my hardware, compiling alsa, etc.....the utils and other part of alsa load fine, but loading the driver produces an oops
[06:41] <plonemall> wastrel: what to do now on the remote server?
[06:41] <draeath> jase090, my USB midi keyboard works out-of-the-box though.... but i have nothing to play it with!!
[06:41] <plonemall> wastrel: they both on the same ip
[06:41] <jase090> yeh i know the feeling!
[06:41] <draeath> LordLimeca1, hmm... that is ODD.
[06:42] <draeath> LordLimeca1, if in doubt, build them all as modules :)
[06:42] <LordLimeca1> draeath: also, i plan on upgrading to feisty, so....whats the WORST that could happen (other than me excluding some module that causes catastrophic overheating) :D
[06:42] <kernel06> anyone got airlink 101 mimo wireless working pls.
[06:42] <wastrel> plonemall?  that's impossible
[06:42] <wastrel> Arlain:  open it in an editor  (gksudo gedit...)
[06:42] <LordLimeca1> comp blows up=learn not to press that button
[06:42] <LordLimeca1> its all progress
[06:42] <draeath> lol
[06:42] <wastrel> Arlain:  welcome to linux, you're already editing text config files (sigh...)
[06:43] <LordLimeca1> thats why its so easy to learn windows
[06:43] <wastrel> :]
[06:43] <user____> how do i revert to older version of wine?
[06:43] <draeath> fortunatly my BIOS let me set an alarm temp where the system will simply turn off.
[06:43] <LordLimeca1> unless i include some module that lets me do somthin stupid like access the bios and overwrite it :D
[06:43] <Arlain> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15907/
[06:43] <Arlain> wastrel
[06:43] <plonemall> wastrel: what is the way to check
[06:43] <Arlain> tell me why mine is so much larger.
[06:43] <draeath> LordLimeca1, heh good luck with that on x86
[06:43] <plonemall> wastrel: the routher is on dail up internet
[06:44] <wastrel> Arlain:  i only pasted the eth1 part.
[06:44] <plonemall> coneecting to router
[06:44] <draeath> LordLimeca1, hose your nvram all you want, your clock will hate you but thats pretty much it
[06:44] <wastrel> Arlain:  yours is broken, remove the "wireless-key" line  (line 10)
[06:44] <mbi> Is there an mrouted package for Ubuntu?
[06:44] <mbi> I can't seem to find one using apt-cache search mrouted
[06:44] <Dirka> hi there, i have a thinkpad t60 and am trying to install the proper drivers for my x1300 graphics card, and i cannot seem to edit the xorg.conf file
[06:45] <Arlain> ok.. after i modfy it, how do i overwrite it?
[06:45] <wastrel> Arlain:  did you open it with sudo?
[06:45] <Arlain> lol, what's sudo?

[06:45] <draeath> :/
[06:45] <wastrel> gksudo/sudo
[06:45] <wastrel> !sudo | Arlain
[06:45] <ubotu> Arlain: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[06:45] <puff> Hm, so I normally use iwlist and iwconfig from the shell to configure my wireless.  A friend is a total linux newbie, what GUI tool for this purpose would you recommend?
[06:46] <wastrel> Arlain:  it's a system file so you need root "super user" privilidges to edit it
[06:46] <Arlain> so how do i run it in sudo? it's a text file isn't it?
[06:46] <draeath> puff, KDE or Gnome?
[06:46] <Flannel> Dirka: you'll need to use sudo as well.
[06:46] <GenNMX> Arlain: sudoedit
[06:46] <wastrel> Arlain:  you call the editor program with sudo
[06:46] <Flannel> Arlain: you run the editor with sudo, "sudo nano /file" or "gksu gedit /file"
[06:46] <puff> draeath: gnome.
[06:46] <draeath> Arlain, run your text editor with sudo in front "example, gksudo -S gedit /file
[06:47] <Dirka> i have tried the gksudo gedit /etc/x11/xorg.conf, (an sudo gedit /etc/x11/xorg.conf)
[06:47] <wastrel> Arlain:  gksudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces
[06:47] <draeath> puff, the administration menu :) easiest way
[06:47] <Dirka> flannel: i used the sudo one first
[06:47] <wj32> hi
[06:47] <user____> how do i revert to older version of wine?
[06:47] <draeath> puff, but I suggest you just tell him to hit ctrl-alt-f1 and do it right :P
[06:47] <Flannel> Dirka: then you should be able to edit the file
[06:48] <Arlain> ok done
[06:48] <Arlain> now.. do i need to reboot or anything?
[06:48] <wastrel> Arlain:  try (command line)   sudo ifup eth1
[06:48] <Arlain> how do u reload said text file.
[06:48] <wj32> user____: make sure its still in the resps. Check the wine Package's properties to see if your version is in there.
[06:48] <puff> draeath: System/Administration/Networking I presume.  What's the GUI equiv to "sudo iwlist eth1 scan"?
[06:48] <wastrel> Arlain:  if you saved it, it should be changed
[06:48] <Crazytom> draeath, hey buddy
[06:48] <Arlain> wastrel, that command says it's already configured
[06:48] <draeath> puff, dunn
[06:48] <user____> tell me exactly how i do that
[06:48] <Crazytom> draeath, I reinstalled today
[06:49] <draeath> Crazytom, check your mail :D
[06:49] <Jump86> im having latop problems.. everytime i suspend i have to restart X before i can use the computer
[06:49] <wastrel> Arlain:  ok try  sudo ifdown eth1  then   sudo ifup eth1   again
[06:49] <draeath> Crazytom, jumping at shadows eh?
[06:49] <Dirka> flannel: Whenever i type that in i get this error message: (with the gksudo one) (gedit:5254): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[06:49] <Dirka> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[06:49] <wj32> user____: open up synaptic. right-click on the wine package. select Properties
[06:49] <draeath> Crazytom, even if i could do anything, im too much of a goody-two-shoes to do it
[06:49] <wj32> user____: Click on Versions. See if the version you want is there.
[06:49] <Falstius> puff: if you open up the network manager and click on the essid drop box, it should list available networks (I can't check the details at the moment, don't want to turn the laptop on)
[06:50] <Arlain> ok.. so now, after those 2 commands.. what?
[06:50] <Flannel> Dirka: this is where?  in a tty? or what?
[06:50] <Arlain> it's supposed to have wifi?
[06:50] <wastrel> Arlain:  try to access the net
[06:50] <wastrel> hopefully :]
[06:50] <user____> yeah it is i guess 9.22
[06:50] <user____> now what?
[06:50] <draeath> wastrel, i miss the days of ndiswrapper
[06:50] <Dirka> Flannel: uhhh...whats a tty? i just went apps/accesories/terminal
[06:51] <wj32> user____: is wine already installed? if so, goto Package -> Force Version... and select the version that you want. then Apply.
[06:51] <Arlain> i am already on the net budyd
[06:51] <Arlain> using a hardwire cat5
[06:51] <draeath> Dirka, TeleType Terminal. old slang for a terminal :)
[06:51] <user____> ok
[06:51] <wastrel> Arlain:  try iwconfig  then see what it gives you
[06:51] <draeath> Dirka, i think :)
[06:51] <user____> and that's it?
[06:51] <Flannel> Dirka, draeath, no a tty is the real terminals, like ctrl-alt-f#, what he opened was a virtual terminal, inside of gnome, yadda yadda
[06:51] <Arlain> same stuff wastrel :/
[06:52] <Mercury> Is there a packages.debian.org like thinggy for ubuntu that will let me read the changelog for a package in fiesty without having to grab the whole package and take it apart?
[06:52] <draeath> Flannel, aah he opened a DOS window :P
[06:52] <Jump86> anyone here running ubuntu on a laptop?
[06:52] <Flannel> Dirka: The warning happens.  Did gedit open?  I don't thnk Ive seen the latter error, but I havent used a GUI in a while.
[06:52] <wj32> user____: yes, but does it work?
[06:52] <draeath> Jump86, yep.
[06:52] <user____> didn't change..
[06:52] <Falstius> draeath: this is a family channel, watch your language ;)
[06:52] <wastrel> Arlain:  i done what i knows to do :]    good luck, i gotta get some sleep
[06:52] <user____> i still see 9.35 (now)
[06:52] <Dirka> yes, gedit opened to an empty document
[06:52] <Flannel> Dirka: What command did you give it exactly?
[06:52] <wj32> user____: so... you've installed 9.22 already?
[06:52] <Arlain> anyone ehre know anything about getting a wireless to connect right?
[06:53] <Jump86> draeath, do suspend a hibernate work well for you? i have to restart x after using suspend and hibernate crashes my laptop to where the power button being held down doesnt even reboot.. have to take out battery
[06:53] <wj32> user____: ok, what did Apply do
[06:53] <user____> it was installed.. then i updated yesterday..
[06:53] <Falstius> Arlain: what is the wireless card?
[06:53] <Flannel> Dirka: That worked ultimately.  In gedit, navigate to the file you want.
[06:53] <Arlain> intell pro wirless 2200
[06:53] <Dirka> gksudo gedit /etc/x11/xorg.conf
[06:53] <draeath> Jump86, no, none of that works for me (but almost no power management does, even in windows. its a peice of junk)
[06:53] <Arlain> at leats i beleive so, it's def an intel card, and that's what the pc detected?
[06:53] <user____> oh didn't press apply
[06:53] <user____> :)
[06:53] <draeath> user____, PUSH the shiny, candy-like button!
[06:53] <wj32> user____: lol
[06:54] <user____> i did
[06:54] <redwyrm> Arlain, the 2200 wants firmware
[06:54] <user____> now it's downloading wine ..
[06:54] <Arlain> ok.. so.. how do i go about doing that?
[06:54] <draeath> user____, but where's the earth-shattering Kaboom?
[06:54] <redwyrm> it needs to be loaded every time after rebooting
[06:54] <wj32> user____: is your cache set to delete itself every day or something?
[06:54] <Jump86> draeath, hmm it works for me in vista / xp... i have a pretty recent laptop so it should be working.. eh well, i can guess i can deal w/ it
[06:54] <Flannel> Dirka: it has to do with gksudo mangling the filename.  If you want to avoid it, `gksu "gedit /etc/x11/xorg.conf"`
[06:54] <LordLimeca1> draeath: i want to use arch=i386, but with K8 optimizations, correct?
[06:54] <wj32> user____: i recommend setting it to not delete anything in your cache.
[06:54] <Dirka> oh, there we go! got the file
[06:54] <user____> didn't set it.. it's default i guess
[06:54] <LordLimeca1> i want as little breakage as possible
[06:54] <Dirka> navigated to it
[06:54] <Arlain> went through hell finding the linux drivers.. where's this firmware gonna be found?
[06:54] <draeath> LordLimeca1, what CPU?
[06:54] <wj32> user____: so if you want to downgrade or create your own package CD, you can use your cache
[06:55] <LordLimeca1> athalon64, single core
[06:55] <Falstius> Arlain: the firmware and driver can be downloaded from the project website http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/
[06:55] <user____> i wouldn't want that :))
[06:55] <LordLimeca1> ill take amd64 if it doesnt break everythin
[06:55] <draeath> LordLimeca1, if you have the choice, choose 'nocona'
[06:55] <user____> i just play wow in linux  :) nothing more
[06:55] <redwyrm> (the firmware is closed-source)
[06:55] <Falstius> Arlain: there is a link to the firmware in the requirements section.
[06:55] <wj32> user____: ok.
[06:55] <draeath> LordLimeca1, wait! NO! thats intel...
[06:55] <user____> it's nice that it has open office .. and gaim
[06:55] <LordLimeca1> im being told to look for my config in debian/config/arch
[06:55] <Arlain> i have the "firmware" from there..
[06:56] <LordLimeca1> i can choose amd64 or i386
[06:56] <user____> also with gaim i have a problem .. i can't receive files from yahoo ..
[06:56] <Flannel> Dirka: let me know how it works out.  Im getting a t60 soon, trying to decide between the ATI and the intel.
[06:56] <wj32> user____: nice! thats what ubuntu good for. home users who just browse the internet, play games, and crap
[06:56] <draeath> LordLimeca1, i used to be a rabid AMD fan and sometimes have flashbacks :)
[06:56] <wj32> user____: i can't help you there. contact the pidgin developers
[06:56] <SeveredHead> AMD's gone down the tubes lately.
[06:56] <wj32> gaim is pidgin now
[06:56] <LordLimeca1> o.0 amd WAS faster till core2
[06:56] <Arlain> if that's where the firmware is, where the hell is the driver?
[06:56] <SeveredHead> Actually, Core Duo
[06:56] <SeveredHead> Not Core 2
[06:56] <LordLimeca1> SeveredHead: is it possible that intel finally caught up for the moment?
[06:56] <Falstius> Arlain: well, I have an intel minipci 2100 card that 'just works', I'll be happy to swap it for yours.
[06:56] <SeveredHead> Core Duo was when intel started to smack AMD around. :)
[06:56] <LordLimeca1> and that amd will do the same in a few months?
[06:56] <SeveredHead> Core 2 is far and ahead.
[06:57] <SeveredHead> LordLimeca1: I doubt it.
[06:57] <LordLimeca1> SeveredHead: its back and forth
[06:57] <draeath> Hey, I'm happy with my Pentium D 805. only $95
[06:57] <SeveredHead> They're still using a 90nm process for mult-core, while Intel's moving on to 45nm for their next chips.
[06:57] <Falstius> Arlain: the firmware and driver are both there ... I'm not sure what all you did before.
[06:57] <LordLimeca1> pentium d=crap -_-
[06:57] <draeath> OC to 4ghz! Hoah!
[06:57] <LordLimeca1> although theres that one pentium d
[06:57] <LordLimeca1> yea, thats the one
[06:57] <draeath> nothing like 2 4ghz cores with 1mb cache each
[06:57] <Arlain> that lead directly to a set of mirrors, discussing possible problems with firmware, but not exactly outlining what is wrong
[06:57] <draeath> throw in the dual-channel DRAM...
[06:57] <draeath> partay time!
[06:57] <LordLimeca1> cept its still a pent, and doesnt compare mhz for mhz to amd or core2
[06:58] <Arlain> i downlaoded the source there, compiled it, and made a "module"?
[06:58] <draeath> ah
[06:58] <wj32> draeath: are there cpus with 4 or 8mb caches?
[06:58] <LordLimeca1> im sure its a good space heater tho :D
[06:58] <Arlain> i'm new to linux, excuse me
[06:58] <redwyrm> Arlain, what does dmesg have to say about it?
[06:58] <draeath> LordLimeca im happy with my > 5.5k bogomips at 2.66ghz
[06:58] <draeath> LordLimeca1, thats per core, mind you
[06:58] <Arlain> redwyrm
[06:58] <Arlain> you don't want that entire print out
[06:58] <draeath> wj32, yes but after 1mb you start to loose preformance
[06:58] <Arlain> it was long
[06:58] <wj32> Arlain: you're new, and you COMPILED something? thats contradictory to current claims
[06:59] <draeath> wj32, the internal addresses get larger etc
[06:59] <wj32> draeath: why is that
[06:59] <Falstius> Arlain: so did you download the firmware in addition to the source?  (it looks like there is some long license you have to agree to).
[06:59] <Arlain> uh.. i deleted the old modules, and compiled? i guess? using make commands?
[06:59] <chowmeined> who needs help?
[06:59] <wj32> draeath: but not much. from 2bits to 4bits yes. but the cpus native bit-width is 32 or 64-bits
[06:59] <Arlain> dude, i'm not sure what make commands are, first day.
[06:59] <draeath> wj32, seek-time on the transistors gets longer (takes longer to flash through 7mb to than 900k
[06:59] <Arlain> seemed to compile something
[06:59] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> hmm.. is 7.10 gonna make my harddrive /dev/sda or keep it /dev/hda?
[06:59] <cafuego> I need help, but you are probably not a registered medical professional.
[07:00] <wj32> draeath: thats hardware stuff, i know next to nothing about hardware
[07:00] <draeath> wj32, thats on the bus, though. L2 is a bit diff
[07:00] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> anyone know? :x
[07:00] <LordLimeca1> draeath: i use tomshardware guides and real world benchmarks for comparison :D
[07:00] <sword_> i am trying to install libdvdcss2 (for playing dvd) but error message says Depend:libc6 even though i already have installed libc6...any suggestions?
[07:01] <LordLimeca1> i got a pent d for a client server, and i have to say....the performance was quite underwhelming
[07:01] <draeath> wj32, just stick to 1mb per core, with todays high cache-accuracy you dont really need more
[07:01] <wj32> Arlain: you know what compiling is? thats even better :)
[07:01] <LordLimeca1> my home computer ran faster on a xp 3200
[07:01] <Arlain> i'm not new to computers
[07:01] <Arlain> jsut linux
[07:01] <Arlain> anyways.
[07:01] <wj32> draeath: i have an intel p4 2.44ghz. so sad.
[07:01] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> -_-
[07:01] <draeath> LordLimeca1, what, and making my CPU spin isn't a real measure :) my CPU is very efficient at doing nothing.
[07:01] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> SysInfo: CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.70GHz 1695.254 MHz Bogomips: 3394.71
[07:01] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> :o
[07:01] <LordLimeca1> draeath: yea, i looked that up...i like that :D
[07:01] <draeath> wj32, bogomips        : 5318.71    per core :P
[07:02] <Falstius> wj32: I have a pentium 233 :-P
[07:02] <Arlain> falstius, i only see 1 downlaod there, and i am not sure enoguh about filetypes to tell you what it is
[07:02] <Arlain> i see no terms or anything
[07:02] <LordLimeca1> seriously, amd will be back on top in 1 year, tops
[07:02] <draeath> eh
[07:02] <LordLimeca1> then intel will whomp em again, or optionally pull another RDram stunt
[07:02] <Arlain> you are talking about the sourceforge page, right?
[07:02] <Crazytom> Xenocide, i've got an offtopic question for you
[07:02] <draeath> i just go for the best bang for the buck at the time of purchase
[07:02] <LordLimeca1> we all know how well that went :D
[07:03] <LordLimeca1> btw, if you have RDRAM, i suggest selling it, its worth its weight in...platinum o.0
[07:03] <LordLimeca1> like $500 for 1gb, thats like 300 grams
[07:03] <draeath> Its not even good memory!
[07:03] <Falstius> Arlain: yes .. did you read the "requirements section, it is about a half page down.  They link to drivers, firmware and INSTALL instructions (you don't need to compile the wireless extensions or the kernel yourself)
[07:03] <LordLimeca1> its...sort of good
[07:03] <LordLimeca1> runs fast
[07:03] <LordLimeca1> but thats not the point, 1gb of rdram is REALLY rarre
[07:03] <draeath> :/
[07:04] <LordLimeca1> for a while sdram was almost as bad
[07:04] <LordLimeca1> because routers and firewalls use it
[07:04] <LordLimeca1> (which doesnt explain their price -_-)
[07:04] <draeath> When my CPU/Ram can fill my hard drive in seconds worth of activity (ignore the speed of the drive) i don't think it REALLY matters :D
[07:05] <LordLimeca1> ive always sort of not noticed any difference with ram speed changes o.0
[07:05] <Arlain> ok falstius my bad, i see that now
[07:05] <LordLimeca1> mebbe im crazy...but cpu seems way more noticeable
[07:05] <Arlain> now
[07:05] <Arlain> i have firmware, wtf do i do with it?
[07:05] <wj32> LordLimeca1: i think the hd is more noticeable
[07:05] <LordLimeca1> seems like a waste to pay $300 for BFG UBER LEET 1033mhz 2-2-2-3 ram
[07:06] <LordLimeca1> wj32: only when stuff loads...which if ram is working right, you shouldnt really ever experience but once per game/os load
[07:06] <zbrown> Crucial Value ram is just as good as any :)
[07:06] <LordLimeca1> :)
[07:06] <wj32> LordLimeca1: ram only matters if you have <1gb, where swapping will kill lyou
[07:06] <Landon> Hey all, does anyone have Unreal tournament 2004 installed on their computer?
[07:06] <LordLimeca1> wj32:  THAT i will agree with,
[07:07] <Falstius> Arlain: read the install file, it has detailed instructions, just skip to steps 8 then 10.
[07:07] <wj32> LordLimeca1: if you have heaps of ram, the os can cache stuff just like that stupid superfetch stuff which we already have
[07:07] <LordLimeca1> or if you have vista, with its--i kid you not--510 mb of SERVICES @ boot
[07:07] <Arlain> got wireless tools, driver, what do i do with the firmware now?
[07:07] <LordLimeca1> (oh the humanity)
[07:07] <Arlain> there's no isntall file in the firmware bundle.. hmm
[07:07] <Falstius> Arlain: there is one linked in the requirements section.
[07:07] <LordLimeca1> i feel bad for vista...it had REAL potential, and it was wasted on shoving drm onto comps.....
[07:07] <draeath> Well, thats annoying
[07:07] <LordLimeca1> i mean i was hyped
[07:07] <Arlain> meh, kk
[07:08] <LordLimeca1> then i tried it and was like....why?
[07:08] <draeath> Wesnoth's ./configure is whining about SDL_image when I HAVE SDL-IMAGE 1.2 DEV
[07:08] <LordLimeca1> plus, for someone whos so proficient @ xp, the rearrangement was a killer
[07:08] <wj32> wth... irc has bold, underline and colours?
[07:08] <LordLimeca1> sort of figure, might as well switch to ubuntu, since it handles xp programs better than vista :D
[07:09] <LordLimeca1> and has more driver support to boot
[07:09] <wj32> LordLiemca1: aero subtracts 30fps from your game performance
[07:09] <LordLimeca1> wj32: THAT, id have to dbl check on, pretty sure itd be unloaded @ fullscreen game load
[07:09] <arrenlex> wj32: How? After the window is rendered, unless you move it around what difference does it make?
[07:09] <LordLimeca1> it may just be the lack of opengl?  or crappy drivers?
[07:10] <LordLimeca1> or all the DRM checks running in the background?
[07:10] <LordLimeca1> test on a non-aero system
[07:10] <jessid> hi...some of you know if it is possible to make totem to play DVDs?
[07:10] <draeath> there... set to ignore the SDL test suite. lets see if spacetime rips when I compile it
[07:10] <LordLimeca1> a friend cant even play counterstrike source ---
[07:10] <wj32> LordLimeca1: not true, in PC User magazine they tested several vista gaming pcs. the fastest one was Vista Basic with NVIDIA 8800GTS 320mb
[07:10] <LordLimeca1> -_-
[07:10] <LordLimeca1> o.0
[07:10] <LordLimeca1> wierd
[07:11] <LordLimeca1> well, it MAY be drivers.....
[07:11] <wj32> LordLimeca1: the slowest ones all ran Vista Premium with NVIDIA 8800GTX 768mb
[07:11] <draeath> hmm
[07:11] <Falstius> LordLimeca1: I have vista (and XP, and win2k) in virtual machines just in case I need them.  Switching to linux really is fairly painless.
[07:11] <LordLimeca1> a friend cant play CS: source with a 7900 and a amd64
[07:11] <draeath> I love bloat
[07:11] <LordLimeca1> Falstius: dualboot/virtual machine FTW
[07:11] <LordLimeca1> or dualbox
[07:11] <draeath> LordLimeca1, I can play CS source on my chip, with a geforece FX 5200 256mb
[07:11] <andre__> just came back from the world of arch
[07:11] <wj32> Anyone played Nexuiz? Anyone noticed its extreme slow performance?
[07:11] <LordLimeca1> in vista?
[07:11] <F-nkyMNK> For some reason, I can no longer 'sudo' any commands... I changed my clock over to NTP, and then i was getting a timestamp error... I followed forum instructions to 'sudo -k' and that solved it, but now i cant 'sudo' at all.... any ideas?
[07:12] <Falstius> LordLimeca1: dual boot is an unecessary headache.  with VM, you can alt-tab between operating systems.
[07:12] <Timequake> howdy, is someone able to tell me the location of the folders the applications menu uses?
[07:12] <draeath> LordLimeca1, hell no, vista will NOT touch my equipment
[07:12] <draeath> pardon the language
[07:12] <LordLimeca1> Falstius: vm=overhead tho, and more of a pain to me
[07:12] <andre__> boy ubuntu has changed since lts
[07:12] <LordLimeca1> dunno why
[07:12] <LordLimeca1> reboots dont really bother me
[07:12] <draeath> Falstius, wake me when the VMs handle things like graphics cards :P
[07:13] <LordLimeca1> i may try VM in feisty tho
[07:13] <Kikkoman> When I run ntfs-config as root, I cannot add support for internal device,  can anyone help?
[07:13] <Falstius> LordLimeca1: well, I don't play games, and its really only video overhead that is a problem (some things like encoders are faster in a VM)
[07:13] <wj32> Reboots bother me, the XFS check takes like 10 secs
[07:13] <wj32> another JFS check also takes 10 secs
[07:13] <LordLimeca1> Falstius: thats pretty much why you would use windows, isnt it
[07:13] <draeath> wj32, reiserfs FTW
[07:13] <LordLimeca1> that, and the paperclip
[07:13] <draeath> journal replay: 0.2 seconds
[07:13] <wj32> and my /home XFS check takes a further 10 secs
[07:13] <Kikkoman> !ntfs Kikkoman
[07:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntfs kikkoman - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:13] <Kikkoman> .
[07:13] <Kikkoman> !ntfs
[07:13] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[07:13] <wj32> I've heard heaps of bad stuff about ReiserFS
[07:13] <Kikkoman> !ntfs-3g
[07:13] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[07:14] <Arlain> ok.. so.. transfering files from where i extracted them to the "hotplug" or "firmware" directory.. how do i do that? get a ton of errors
[07:14] <draeath> Kikkoman: you wanted "/msg ubotu ntfs"
[07:14] <wj32> I frequently get crashes with fglrx. So, I need reliability
[07:14] <andre__> to view windows parttions just get feisty
[07:14] <draeath> wj32, dont buy ATI
[07:14] <draeath> wj32, LP
[07:14] <Falstius> LordLimeca1: no, I need office compatibility sometimes, plus the matlab as a student I have is windows only, running MSVC++ (for some projects I inherited), etc.
[07:14] <arrenlex> wj32: Get nvidia or intel
[07:14] <wj32> That was from when I used Windows
[07:14] <draeath> wj32, intel if you enjoy rights, nvidia if you enjoy FPS and features
[07:14] <wj32> I can rely on XFS to zero-fill my files
[07:14] <Arlain> ok falstius, still with me?
[07:15] <draeath> wj32, hope you have a UPS
[07:15] <wj32> I don't. How is an UPS meant to help with crashes?
[07:15] <andre__> have you guys tried feisty yet
[07:15] <Falstius> Arlain: yes, but as soon as xubuntu finishes installing my on 10 year old laptop, I'm going to bed :)
[07:15] <draeath> wj32, XFS can die nasty on a sudden unclean dismount
[07:15] <Arlain> ok, i'll be quick then
[07:15] <Arlain> ok.. so.. transfering files from where i extracted them to the "hotplug" or "firmware" directory.. how do i do that? get a ton of errors
[07:16] <Arlain> got firmware files, from directory, i think, to transfer em to.
[07:16] <Arlain> but.. i cna't get them there
[07:16] <draeath> Arlain, probably need privs
[07:16] <Falstius> Arlain: in the terminal, you can use sudo cp files_from files_to_directory/
[07:16] <jessid> is it possible to make totem to reproduce DVDs???
[07:16] <Falstius> so to copy all the files in some directory, sudo cp some/directory/* to/someother/directory/
[07:17] <wj32> Once XFS blanked my Beryl plugins. The actual .so files
[07:17] <PoofDaddy> what's a good program to burn mp3s on a CD?
[07:17] <Arlain> ok.. so sudo cp fileswith slashes betwen the to?
[07:17] <wj32> Once I started up Ubuntu and XFS was returning I/O errors for every single bloody read.  I just spent the last 30 minutes explaining to someone how to paste
[07:17] <jnsears> i was trying to move my /home to a bigger partition, and now my machine won't boot to the point where I can connect via ssh.  I have only a Radeon 8500 video card with DVI and VGA out and only a DVI-only monitor.  The machine won't display on the DVI until X is running, and I can't get in remotely.  Any suggestions?
[07:17] <neozen> I want to die
[07:17] <Falstius> the slashes are for directories.  The * means all files.
[07:17] <neozen> where's my beer!
[07:17] <user____> how do i install "radeon" drivers?
[07:17] <Arlain> sudo cp /home/leslie/Desktop/
[07:18] <wj32> jnsears: have you got OpenSSH running?
[07:18] <Arlain> confused*
[07:18] <Arlain> ?
[07:18] <arrenlex> neozen: what more than ctrl+c, ctrl+v is there to say?
[07:18] <jnsears> wj: no
[07:18] <neozen> arrenlex: she said that didn't work
[07:18] <jnsears> or i don't think so
[07:18] <jnsears> i think it's sshd
[07:18] <neozen> ARG!
[07:18] <wj32> jnsears: yes, so don't expect to SSH in if you haven't got an SSH server running
[07:18] <draeath> arrenlex: select middle-click
[07:18] <neozen> so I told her to just hit her middle button
[07:18] <arrenlex> draeath: Not if you want to avoid explaining.
[07:18] <neozen> ...she couldn't seem to manage that
[07:18] <jnsears> wj: there was an ssh server running
[07:19] <neozen> excuse me
[07:19] <wj32> jnsears: ok, then maybe its not being started?
[07:19] <neozen> *the user* couldn't seem to manage that
[07:19] <jnsears> prior to my f-ing around with my partitions
[07:19] <jnsears> yeah i think so
[07:19] <pavs> i have this error while trying to update E: dovecot-common: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 89
[07:19] <Falstius> Arlain: if you extracted the files to your desktop and you need to type, sudo cp /home/leslie/Desktop/*.fw /lib/firmware/
[07:19] <wj32> jnsears: /home OR Xorg wouldnt break ssh
[07:19] <Selenolupus> How would I set VLC to be the default application for opening .avi files?
[07:19] <Jump86>  is 16:9 the right aspect ratio for a 1280 x 800 monitor?
[07:19] <neozen> I've encountered plenty of men who can't grasp the concept of a middle mouse-button
[07:19] <jnsears> if i boot from a liveCD will I be able to get in remotely
[07:19] <jnsears> ?
[07:19] <Steil> Whats faster, reiser3 or ext3?
[07:19] <neozen> Steil: depends on file sizes
[07:19] <wj32> jnsears: does the LiveCD work graphcially?
[07:19] <scottam> jump86: no i think
[07:20] <jnsears> i haven't tried it
[07:20] <draeath> Steil, depends on usage. reiser is better for lots of smaller files usually but doesn't really slow down much
[07:20] <Flying-Penguin> yes.. it does
[07:20] <ArtVandalae> wj32, yes
[07:20] <wj32> Steil: reiser = small, xfs/jfs=large
[07:20] <neozen> Steil:  reiser is supposed to be faster with a bunch of little ones
[07:20] <derek_> Hi
[07:20] <Jump86> scottam, whats the right one? or how do find it?
[07:20] <derek_> On running desktop-effects, I get "The Composite extension is not available" , and in the console it says: nvidia hardware not available. (I have ATI graphics hardware, not nvidia)
[07:20] <arrenlex> Jump86: No. Use the calculator.
[07:20] <jnsears> i'm not sure i'll even be able to get it to boot, b/c of the video card issue i can't get into the bios
[07:20] <scottam> jump86: 1280x800 is 16:10
[07:20] <neozen> I'ma switch back to ext3 soon
[07:20] <jnsears> not sure what my boot devices order is
[07:20] <neozen> reiser just seems to dern slow when mounting
[07:20] <wj32> Steil: ext2=fast deleting reiser=fast deleting xfs/jfs=slow deleting
[07:20] <Arlain> ok
[07:20] <Falstius> Steil: if your harddrive partitioning skips any numbers, don't use reiserfs (I learned that last week when home partition seemed to have FUBARed)
[07:20] <Arlain> falstius, how do i.. load said firmware?
[07:20] <scottam> wj32: ext3?
[07:21] <wj32> ive heard of people mounting reiser partitions in 1 min
[07:21] <wj32> thats bad
[07:21] <jnsears> is there anything to try with no display?
[07:21] <foug> !wine
[07:21] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[07:21] <redwyrm> I wouldn't want a filesystem that I couldn't read with a rescue livecd
[07:21] <wj32> redwyrm: no GFS2 or ZFS
[07:21] <Falstius> Arlain: once the firmware is in /lib/firmware the driver should  find it (reload the driver)
[07:21] <Arlain> files transfered.. how do i make my wireless work now? lol
[07:21] <ArtVandalae> Use ext3, it's probably the most accessible filesystem, bar fat32
[07:22] <Arlain> ok, how do i do that?
[07:22] <neozen> wj32: yeah... its kinda like that
[07:22] <wj32> ArtVandalae: ext2?
[07:22] <neozen> wj32: takes 30-45 secs to mount my root
[07:22] <neozen> that seems really slow to me
[07:22] <Arlain> ok, how do i do that?
[07:22] <neozen> its only 5gb
[07:22] <Falstius> Arlain: sudo rmmod ipw2200 && modprobe ipw2200
[07:22] <neozen> shouldn't take that #@$#@!$#@ long
[07:22] <wj32> neozen: takes xfs 10 secs to mount a partition. i have two xfs partitions and one jfs
[07:22] <arrenlex> What are you guys running? It takes less than a second to mount.
[07:23] <wj32> neozen: then /boot with ext2 and swap with swap
[07:23] <neozen> a 1.4 celeron
[07:23] <neozen> 1gb ram
[07:23] <neozen> 5gb /
[07:23] <neozen> 1gb swap
[07:23] <wj32> 2.44ghz p4. 1gb ram.
[07:23] <neozen> 20gb /home
[07:23] <neozen> and mounting root takes bloody ages
[07:23] <ArtVandalae> wj32, AFAIK ext3 has replaced ext2. I really don't know anyone who still runs ext3. I mean ext3 = ext2 + journalling. So there's minimal disadvantages of ext3 over ext2
[07:24] <wj32> ArtVandalae: .
[07:24] <EvilDennisR> wj32: ArtVandalae is correct..
[07:24] <pavs> i have this error while trying to update E: dovecot-common: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 89
[07:24] <draeath> how can I grep for -dev
[07:24] <wj32> bye. although im not leaving.
[07:24] <draeath> grep doesn't like -
[07:24] <Arlain> connection failed, falstius
[07:24] <scottam> mounting shouldn't take time unless it needs to run a filesystem check....my computer mounts 4 different filesystems at boot, all in under 2 minutes
[07:24] <neozen> ArtVandalae: logic error
[07:24] <EvilDennisR> wj32: I was going to say something but I figured it might of been a typ0
[07:24] <arrenlex> draeath: grep "-dev"
[07:24] <Falstius> Arlain: did the driver load without errors?
[07:24] <wj32> EvilDennisR: i didn't say he wasn't correct. "." means ok.
[07:24] <draeath> grep: unknown directories method
[07:24] <Arlain> it didn't say anything
[07:24] <arrenlex> draeath: grep "\-dev"
[07:24] <ArtVandalae> neozen, ?
[07:24] <Arlain> the command didn't print anything
[07:24] <Arlain> neither did
[07:25] <draeath> arrenlex, ty
[07:25] <neozen> ArtVandalae: think you made a typo up there
[07:25] <Arlain> rmmod ipw2200 didn't print any text
[07:25] <EvilDennisR> wj32: I wasn't saying you were disagreeing, I was mearly stating my agreement with him
[07:25] <ArtVandalae> neozen, ah yes, thanks :)
[07:25] <andre__> hey is it worth installing debian kde 64bit
[07:25] <Falstius> Arlain: that means it loaded without errors (it doesn't mean it found any hardware though).  And iwconfig does or doesn't have an entry for the wireless?
[07:25] <neozen> ArtVandalae: when you spend a ton of time with compilers... you start to sound like them
[07:25] <arrenlex> andre__: Stay away from 64-bit. There are no advantages on a desktop system, but lots of headaches.
[07:25] <neozen> ArtVandalae: sorry 'bout that
[07:26] <neozen> ArtVandalae: at least I didn't throw a parse error.....
[07:26] <andre__> ya cant find packages for one
[07:26] <foug> what's a good place to install folders? like Program Files for windows? would it be best to make my own folder?
[07:26] <neozen> ArtVandalae: you can actually hear brain cells frying when that happens
[07:26] <Arlain> the wireless exists on iwconfig, but it's still saying no connection, etc
[07:26] <Arlain> eth1 as always has an entry
[07:26] <neozen> foug: install folders?
[07:26] <andre__> are you guys using feisty
[07:26] <user____> how do i uninstall my current ati
[07:26] <user____> drivers?
[07:26] <zbrown> andre__: i am
[07:27] <foug> neozen: o i mean install things, sorry
[07:27] <dukelordx> vimalg2: i do
[07:27] <andre__> boy it changed since lts
[07:27] <zcat[1] > foug: "Wherever the package puts them"
[07:27] <foug> neozen: was thinking too fast, meant to say a good place to install things
[07:27] <neozen> foug: what... like things you compiled from source?
[07:27] <ArtVandalae> neozen, haha, dw I know what you mean :D
[07:27] <Falstius> Arlain: what is the name of the wireless device (wlan0, eth2?)
[07:27] <rappo> I've just setup my nvidia drivers, they work great. I installed Beryl and that seems to be fine EXCEPT the window manager! i get no window manager at all :( the same is true if i try to use Compiz
[07:27] <foug> zcat[1] : well it's wherever i want, installing a program with wine
[07:27] <Arlain> eth1
[07:27] <ubuntuEdgy> how do i undo a symbolic link ?
[07:27] <rappo> any suggestions?
[07:27] <foug> neozen: nah a media player i'm installing through wine
[07:27] <neozen> foug: AH
[07:27] <arrenlex> rappo: Beryl IS the window manager.
[07:27] <Arlain> it's weird dude, i have alot of devices i don't have'
[07:27] <ArtVandalae> ubuntuEdgy, remove the "link"
[07:27] <scottam> ubuntuedgy: unlink
[07:27] <neozen> foug: that's a horse of a different color
[07:27] <th> hello. anyone else here noticed that latest -15 kernel update simply KILLS nvidia drivers? neither works anymore, not official drivers nor nvidia-glx package? bug -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/+bug/106434/
[07:27] <andre__> it loaded my windows partitons and even loaded my bookmars that i had on firefor now that is sweet
[07:28] <waldo> anyone have an idea why when I boot the ubuntu beta I get simply the word "GRUB"?
[07:28] <th> i guess i'm stuck with -14 kernel
[07:28] <zcat[1] > in wine, I guess do whatever you'd do in windows.
[07:28] <Falstius> Arlain: okay, try "sudo iwconfig eth1 essid <your network> && sudo ifconfig eth1 up && sudo dhclient eth1
[07:28] <rappo> arrenlex: well i get all the fancypants effects, but no title bar or anything, if i go back to metacity I'm fine
[07:28] <ArtVandalae> waldo, does it still boot successfully?
[07:28] <rappo> but with compiz or beryl I get nothing
[07:28] <Arlain> i am getting lo (local lopp i assume?) etho (hardwired lan i am on now)
[07:28] <neozen> th: the reports on feisty make me glad I have an intel card
[07:28] <Arlain> and eth1
[07:28] <Arlain> and sit1
[07:28] <Arlain> and irda1
[07:28] <neozen> and two main computers
[07:28] <waldo> ArtVandalae: i can boot off the livecd no problem
[07:28] <arrenlex> rappo: Right-click on the emerald and select beryl (or emerald, I guess) as your window manager. Does that solve anything?
[07:29] <Arlain> sit1 and irda1 i have no idea what thos are
[07:29] <andre__> were would i find libdvdcss and webcam drivers
[07:29] <ubuntuEdgy> so if it was ln -s /home/user /home/test       will i have to run  ln -s /home/user
[07:29] <rappo> arrenlex: no, that's what I tried
[07:29] <waldo> ArtVandalae: but I just get the word "GRUB" when booting off the HD.  I can boot off the livecd then choose "boot off hard drive" and it works
[07:29] <neozen> irda1: is probably an ir port on your computer
[07:29] <rappo> the only thing that works in that method is metacity
[07:29] <zPacKRat> feisty with fglrx drivers and all is well on my 9600
[07:29] <neozen> sit1: is probably a vpn adapter
[07:29] <th> neozen: just don't start trolling, intel fuckolacraps won't work for gaming
[07:29] <arrenlex> !ohmy | th
[07:29] <neozen> th: lol
[07:29] <ubotu> th: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:29] <neozen> th: no trolling here
[07:30] <exs> does anyone know a pop3 (email) checker?.. Thanks.
[07:30] <th> ubotu: yes, sorry, i'm just frustrated this kernel upgrade
[07:30] <thespore> i just put in a wireless card (rt73 driver), and have it up and running.. but i can't see my windows network now..
[07:30] <Falstius> Arlain: just ignore them.  did you try the commands I suggested?
[07:30] <neozen> th: and the only gaming I do involves either a text adventure, or an emulator
[07:30] <rappo> arrenlex: any more suggestions?
[07:30] <th> neozen: very interesting. but i do game, and that's not excuse for breaking the drivers anyway
[07:30] <Arlain> first command says unrecognized request "ssid"
[07:30] <ArtVandalae> waldo, GRUB is the boot loader. it allows you to boot into Ubuntu. Not sure what's going on here though. So it just says "GRUB" and doesn't give you any menus? Have you had a look at boot order in the BIOS, or tried entering anything at the GRUB prompt?
[07:30] <waldo> anyone have an idea why when I boot the ubuntu beta I get simply the word "GRUB"?
[07:30] <Falstius> Arlain: essid
[07:30] <neozen> th: I agree completely
[07:30] <Arlain> ah
[07:31] <neozen> th: and while I am sympathetic to your woes... I don't share them
[07:31] <waldo> ArtVandalae: yeah just the word "GRUB"-- it won't let me type anything..  the keystroke buffer fills up and then I get some beeping when it's full
[07:31] <vimalg1> hello room
[07:31] <neozen> th: sorry life's sucking mon
[07:31] <neozen> th: best of luck
[07:31] <waldo> ArtVandalae: there's no prompt or anything
[07:31] <Kikkoman> Can someone help me edit grub to notice windows?
[07:31] <ArtVandalae> waldo, I remember hearing about a ATA driver problems in the beta. Do you have a IDE HDD?
[07:31] <waldo> ArtVandalae: it's a laptop
[07:32] <ubuntuEdgy> can any one help me with this ? Forbiden You don't have permission to access /mythweb/data/music/
[07:32] <Arlain> 2nd command now says unreconized command "up"
[07:32] <waldo> ArtVandalae: I updated to the latest grub via apt-get and still having the same problem
[07:32] <Arlain> unrecognized wireless request
[07:32] <Arlain> rather
[07:32] <SubOne> if i run a shell script like "../../script" is there a way for the script to know the relative path from where the script is located to where the script was run (pwd)?
[07:32] <ArtVandalae> waldo, how did you upgrade the grub when you can't boot into the system?
[07:32] <Falstius> Arlain: the second command is ifconfig not iwconfig
[07:32] <EvilDennisR> SubOne: Yeah
[07:32] <neozen> waldo: wow.... you made grub go boom
[07:32] <EvilDennisR> SubOne: hmm... I gotta find out what it is
[07:32] <scottam> subone: usually the first argument is said path
[07:33] <th> however, it seems that paravirtualization support is the reason. changing gpl symbol from linux-2.6.20/arch/i386/kernel/paravirt.c makes nvidia drivers compile again
[07:33] <waldo> ArtVandalae: I booted into the live cd then chose the "load ubuntu off the hd" option... so it's sorta bypassing the grub on the hD
[07:33] <neozen> waldo: start dancing mon.... I've never heard of that happening
[07:33] <Arlain> and the 3rd is a ping?
[07:33] <ArtVandalae> waldo, oh. Sorry no idea
[07:33] <waldo> neozen: yeah it's a toshiba laptop...  i didn't hose it because it was right off the beta cd..
[07:33] <EvilDennisR> SubOne: You want to know the path that the script is in, not the pwd
[07:33] <waldo> ArtVandalae: hmmm weird huh
[07:33] <Arlain> looks like it pinged something.
[07:33] <Falstius> Arlain: the 3rd requests an IP address from your router
[07:33] <icwt> For some reason, my wireless card doesnt exist
[07:33] <neozen> waldo: keyword...... BETA
[07:33] <icwt> I know the driver is loaded
[07:33] <neozen> waldo: BETA!
[07:33] <waldo> neozen: yeah.. but I apt-getted to the current one...
[07:33] <Arlain> ok.. it's still rpocessing the 3rd command
[07:34] <Falstius> Arlain: it won't work (I think) without ifconfig eth1 up first though.
[07:34] <neozen> waldo: BETA=shit that is not guarenteed to work... at all
[07:34] <waldo> neozen: guess so
[07:34] <SubOne> EvilDennisR: actually i want to extract a relative path from the scripts dir to the pwd
[07:34] <icwt> anybody have any idea's why my wireless card has dissapered?
[07:34] <neozen> waldo: they have 3 days
[07:34] <scottam> subone: $0
[07:34] <th> it doesn't install though even it compiles...
[07:34] <Arlain> getting a print out of soem pings and some ports
[07:34] <waldo> neozen: I guess so
[07:34] <ArtVandalae> neozen, haha
[07:34] <th> anyone here with Nvidia card by the way?
[07:34] <neozen> waldo: I think they're going to need every minut
[07:34] <neozen> e
[07:34] <Arlain> err, some intervals.. pings i assume
[07:35] <waldo> neozen: hmm... weird..  grub is so elemental too
[07:35] <neozen> waldo: well... looks like its broken for you
[07:35] <icwt> anybody?
[07:35] <waldo> neozen: yup
[07:35] <Arlain> how can it send a request to a router its not connected to?
[07:35] <SubOne> oops didnt mean to leave
[07:35] <EvilDennisR> SubOne: So let me get this straight.. So if your script is in /home/foo/bar/script and you're in /porn/Movies, you want script `script` to tell you its in /home/foo/bar/ - This what you want ?
[07:35] <Arlain> no dhcpoffers receivered
[07:35] <Falstius> Arlain: it can't, but it can try :)
[07:35] <Arlain> is what it finally printed
[07:35] <neozen> icwt: yeah... I've got an idea
[07:35] <neozen> icwt
[07:35] <icwt> yes?
[07:36] <neozen> icwt: stick your /etc/network/interfaces in a pastebin and give us the url
[07:36] <icwt> okey, one second
[07:36] <Falstius> Arlain: so you have done ifconfig up right?  iwconfig should now show a connection.  If it doesn't ... I dunno, you might need to go back to the install and read from step 1.  Bed time for me, I have a final tomorrow.
[07:36] <foug> is anyone using foobar under Wine?
[07:36] <neozen> YAY for users who aren't confused by the pastebin!!!!
[07:37] <Arlain> it shows an ssid, and what not, but 0 connectivity.
[07:37] <scottam> subon: $0 will look identical to your script call, so if you typed ../../home/foo/bar/script you'll get ../../home/foo/bar/script and then you can get rid of everything after the last / using matching or other regex fun
[07:37] <ArtVandalae> Arlain, does it use encryption like WPA?
[07:37] <thespore> arlain, what wireless card are you using?
[07:37] <neozen> I've been doing too much fresh to linux help lately
[07:37] <icwt> awww, pastebin is b0rked
[07:37] <neozen> is it?
[07:38] <SubOne> EvilDennisR: no, lets say my script is in /home/foo/bar and i run it from /home/foo/bar/porn/Movies like `../../script` I want the script to be able to prepend "porn/Movies/" before each filename in /home/foo/bar/porn/Movies so that i can output them to a file. I am creating a script to output links to all images in a directory to an html file.
[07:38] <neozen> icwt: seemed like they changed something
[07:38] <icwt> yups
[07:38] <icwt> neozen: http://rafb.net/p/nYhURm87.html
[07:38] <ardchoille> http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/  works fine here
[07:39] <zcat[1] > Subhuman, 'pwd'
[07:39] <zcat[1] > err SubOne 'pwd'
[07:39] <EvilDennisR> SubOne: Ok.. Hold on, let me write you something
[07:39] <neozen> icwt... I think I see your problem
[07:39] <SubOne> zcat[1] : you are not helping
[07:39] <icwt> yay
[07:39] <wj32> SubOne: $mystr="porn/Movies/"$myotherstr
[07:39] <neozen> icwt: see how everything is commented out
[07:39] <Falstius> Arlain: you might try "iwlist eth1 ap"
[07:39] <neozen> icwt: that's bad
[07:40] <neozen> icwt: you don't want that
[07:40] <icwt> yea, some how to told me to that and i blindly followed
[07:40] <neozen> icwt: makes cards disappear
[07:40] <SubOne> wj32: it must be generated i cant just type it into the script, the dir changes each time i run the script
[07:40] <thespore> think i figured out the issue.   if i try to ping anything on my subnet (192.168.1.x) the ping replies all come from <IP_ADDRESS> no matter what i try to ping... wtf?
[07:40] <scottam> subone: pwd will print the working directory from which the script is called, $0 will print a path from there to the script, between the two you can get the difference and prepend that
[07:40] <neozen> icwt: uncomment those things
[07:40] <thespore> i should clarify.. they are destination unreachable but it says .1.111 even if i try to ping .1.100
[07:40] <wj32> SubONe: wait... so how do you call the script?
[07:40] <wj32> SubOne:
[07:41] <SubOne> scottam: i got that much ty, how do i do that i dont know how to work with strings
[07:41] <wj32> SubOne: what arguments?
[07:41] <SubOne> no arguments
[07:41] <Arlain> I am using a intel pro 2200
[07:41] <Arlain> wireless
[07:41] <icwt> neozen uncommented
[07:42] <Arlain> falstius, that last command says it doesn't have a list
[07:42] <zcat[1] > SubOne, sounds like you want `pwd | sed -es"/$HOME//"g` ??
[07:42] <wj32> SubOne: oh i get it
[07:42] <scottam> subone: i don't know off the top of my head, sorry
[07:42] <neozen> icwt: now reboot the boxen
[07:42] <icwt> =(
[07:42] <Arlain> why is this so ridiculously hard?
[07:42] <icwt> okey brb
[07:42] <neozen> icwt: you shouldn't have to do that really
[07:43] <SubOne> what is `sed`?
[07:43] <Arlain> i'm going to redo this all tomorrow.
[07:43] <wj32> SubOne: does it have to be a relative path?
[07:43] <redwyrm> Subhuman, Stream EDitor
[07:43] <icwt> neozen : dbus restart?
[07:43] <redwyrm> SubOne*
[07:43] <neozen> icwt: but I can't remember which thing you actually have to restart
[07:43] <SubOne> wj32 yes its for an html page
[07:43] <neozen> icwt: and networking too
[07:43] <wj32> SubOne: you can just put links like: /home/foo/bar/Porn/Movies and then use sed to remove the /home/foo/bar/ by going `pwd`
[07:43] <icwt> reboot sounds easier
[07:43] <SubOne> redwyrm:  let me take a look at that...
[07:43] <icwt> i sahll brb
[07:43] <icwt> *shall
[07:43] <neozen> icwt: exactly
[07:43] <neozen> icwt: kk... see ye soon
[07:43] <zcat[1] > SubOne, what I said.. if your home is /home/subone and you're in the directory /home/subone/porn/movies, the result will be just "porn/movies'
[07:44] <SubOne> zcat[1] : programmatically
[07:44] <Arlain> falstius, thanks, but i'm going to head out
[07:44] <Arlain> this is extremely irritating.
[07:44] <SubOne> trying sed
[07:44] <Arlain> been at this for 6 hours now.
[07:44] <Jump86> can i edit /etc/fstab to automount a smb share? if so, what parameters do i use?
[07:44] <zcat[1] > yes.. pwd gives the full path to the current directory, sed -es"/$HOME//" strips your home directory off the path
[07:45] <EvilDennisR> zcat[1] : Yeah, but SubOne isn't nessicarily working from /home/
[07:45] <Flannel> !samba | Jump86
[07:45] <zcat[1] > EvilDennisR, where IS he working from? what's he want the path relative to?
[07:45] <Jump86> !samba
[07:45] <ubotu> Jump86: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[07:45] <EvilDennisR> zcat[1] : ..not sure
[07:46] <clearzen> Where are the rsync logs kept?
[07:46] <icwt> neozen: well the card exists now
[07:46] <foug> is there a command to get out of the currect folder i'm in in the terminal?
[07:46] <SubOne> what i need to do is count how many '../' there are in the $0 and then only use that many dirs on the end of pwd
[07:47] <icwt> but gnome-network-manager errors out with SIOCGIFFLAGS error: No such device
[07:47] <icwt> when clicked on
[07:47] <jcath> hello,anyone successfully install the conxant's hsf hda bus modem driver on ubuntu 6.10?
[07:47] <veen> join #help
[07:47] <theater> im really new with linux, and i was trying to install ati drivers... (i used this site: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=305665 ), it said to ask for help here if direct rendering is still not enabled. anyone here willing to help?
[07:47] <icwt> neozen: if i put my mouse over it
[07:47] <jcath> I compiled the source from linuxant.com, everytime I try load the driver module, the driver crash
[07:47] <icwt> it shows eth1
[07:47] <azathoth> hello
[07:47] <neozen> icwt: well... your card isn't gone any more
[07:48] <SubOne> so then if i have '/1/2/3/4' for pwd and '../../script' for $0 then i need to count that there are 2 '../' in $0 and only use the last 2 dirs in pwd which would be '3/4/' but i dont know how that would be done
[07:48] <neozen> I'd like to call it a success
[07:48] <neozen> but its not
[07:48] <icwt> neozen : yea =/
[07:48] <SubOne> are there any uri functions?
[07:48] <neozen> icwt: what chipset is your card?
[07:48] <h3x0r_> is it possible to program in GNU with OpenGL ?
[07:48] <icwt> neozen ipw3945
[07:49] <neozen> icwt: LOL same as mine
[07:49] <Teekrul> any chance anyone can help me be able to play a DVD in movie totem or recommend another program that may work?
[07:49] <icwt> neozen : wewt :)
[07:49] <user____> how do i see what video drivers i have installed
[07:49] <azathoth> could someone explain how to find folders by name using search?
[07:49] <SubOne> EvilDennisR: so then if i have '/1/2/3/4' for pwd and '../../script' for $0 then i need to count that there are 2 '../' in $0 and only use the last 2 dirs in pwd which would be '3/4/' but i dont know how that would be done
[07:49] <neozen> icwt: mine disappeared from time to time too
[07:49] <veen> can anyone help me convert avi video to wmv video? i have been having trouble using ffmpeg
[07:49] <icwt> neozen they have skills =/
[07:49] <neozen> icwt: remove the lines from /etc/networking/interfaces regarding eth2
[07:50] <neozen> save the file
[07:50] <icwt> saved
[07:50] <EvilDennisR> SubOne: Ok, let me figure that out.. I can do it in perl in two seconds.. I haven't done bash in a while, and I've had a few captain and coke zeros ;)
[07:50] <neozen> then try using network-manager-gnome some more
[07:50] <veen> anyone have suggestions on how to convert video to WMV?
[07:50] <veen> I cant find any linux software
[07:50] <icwt> neozen do i need to restart again?
[07:51] <neozen> icwt: lets try not restarting
[07:51] <user____> how do i see what video drivers i have installed?
[07:51] <EvilDennisR> veen: Why would you want to convert it to wmv ?
[07:51] <SubOne> EvilDennisR: thanks for the help, i have the loop setup already all i need is the part to extract the relative directory
[07:51] <icwt> neozen : network manager shows : network connection : eth1 when hoverd over
[07:52] <neozen> icwt: click and pray
[07:52] <veen> EvilDennisR: so i can view it on my xbox360
[07:52] <user____> i do sudo modprobe -r fglrx then i get .. FATAL: Module fglrx is in use.
[07:52] <icwt> neozen again no such device
[07:52] <EvilDennisR> SubOne: so how come you can't use $(pwd) for the output? ie. $(pwd)/someoutputfile
[07:52] <neozen> icwt: ok... just a set
[07:52] <EvilDennisR> veen: Touche`
[07:52] <neozen> *sec
[07:52] <icwt> okey
[07:52] <james296> can anyone here help me with a WoW problem?
[07:53] <SubOne> because its not a relative directory and the base directory of these may change
[07:53] <EvilDennisR> !wine > james296
[07:53] <neozen> icwt: issue the following command in a terminal:
[07:53] <veen> Actually I'm looking for any way to stream video from ubuntu to my xbox360
[07:53] <EvilDennisR> I don't even know if that works =)
[07:53] <neozen> icwt: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[07:53] <neozen> icwt: might get booted off the net
[07:53] <EvilDennisR> !wine > EvilDennisR
[07:53] <james296> it does
[07:53] <EvilDennisR> oh cool, it did work
[07:53] <Teekrul> so no suggestions on playing dvds?
[07:54] <SubOne> EvilDennisR: html should always use relative paths, this is most definitely not always going to be the path of the images
[07:54] <archigos> Heyas - I'm running feisty and my sound has stopped working - any idea where I should start to look to figure out what the problem is?
[07:54] <Flannel> !dvd | Teekrul
[07:54] <ubotu> Teekrul: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[07:54] <icwt> neozen : done, network manager same error
[07:54] <EvilDennisR> SubOne: Oh right on.. I see where you're going.. You can't exactly have `<a href="/home/foo/bar/porn/Movies"> ... `
[07:54] <SubOne> EvilDennisR: but the will always stay in the same structure from the dir that the script resides in, hence the need for a relative path from that dir
[07:54] <SubOne> EvilDennisR: exactly
[07:54] <yellat> having some issues with azureus, trying to some nullpointer error
[07:55] <th> yellat: at startup?
[07:55] <yellat> ya
[07:55] <sword_> how can I check free space on my hard disk?
[07:55] <veen> is anyone using a their zune with ubuntu?
[07:55] <yellat> dies there
[07:55] <th> yellat: remove .azureus/logs folder :)
[07:55] <hume> sword_, df -h
[07:55] <th> yellat: believe or not, then it starts :P
[07:55] <yellat> oh, duh
[07:56] <yellat> that was retarded of me
[07:56] <sword_> is there a GUI way to do it?
[07:56] <remiss> could someone have a look at this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15917/ ?
[07:56] <th> well, it's retarded of java that it segfaults, and not easy to trace to some random logs folder...
[07:56] <derek_> How to change screen resolution?
[07:56] <th> i fought with that myself for a loong time
[07:56] <hume> sword_, in your file manager, right click and choose properties for instance
[07:56] <neozen> icwt: sudo aptitude reinstall network-manager
[07:56] <hume> then there are programs like kdirstat (KDE)
[07:57] <derek_> why am I not getting refresh rate more than 60Hz?
[07:57] <neozen> icwt: is your card showing up in ifconfig and/or iwconfig?
[07:57] <th> derek_: because lcd's are "today's thing" ;)
[07:57] <icwt> neozen:  nope
[07:57] <ferronica> Ign http://security.ubuntu.com edgy-security/main Translation-en_IN
[07:58] <neozen> icwt: greaaaat
[07:58] <th> derek_: system > settings > screen resolution or such
[07:58] <icwt> im gonna take that as sarcastic
[07:58] <neozen> icwt: to be honest... the last time my card started flaking out like that... I reinstalled
[07:58] <neozen> icwt: I wouldn't recommend that though
[07:58] <neozen> icwt: shouldn't have to do that
[07:58] <ferronica> why is it ignoring it??
[07:59] <derek_> th, yes, I found that. But do you mean LCDs don't support more than 60Hz refresh rate?
[07:59] <ferronica> Ign http://security.ubuntu.com edgy-security/main Translation-en_IN
[07:59] <th> derek_: yes
[07:59] <derek_> hm
[07:59] <derek_> k
[07:59] <derek_> th, do you know about this: On running desktop-effects, I get "The Composite extension is not available" , and in the console it says: nvidia hardware not available. (I have ATI graphics hardware, not nvidia)
[07:59] <icwt> eek
[08:00] <th> derek_: well, i have nvidia but... desktop effects should add composite to xorg.conf automatically but apparently it doens't...
[08:00] <icwt> great , in the network settings gui
[08:00] <icwt> it doesnt exist
[08:01] <icwt> im half tempted to reinstall but i downloaded the wrong cd 6.06 not 6.10
[08:01] <SubOne> EvilDennisR: you know what, nvm, this is too much trouble, im just going to call the script with the relative path to the dir i want done
[08:01] <icwt> so i updated via ubuntu
[08:01] <icwt> to 6.10
[08:02] <EvilDennisR> SubOne: eh, its not too much trouble.. I just haven't writen anything in bash in a while, nor used sed.. And I've had some drinks =)
[08:02] <yellat> th - evidently it isn't the logs folder, still dies at startup
[08:02] <th> yellat: hmh... interesting... feisty?
[08:03] <yellat> not edgy
[08:03] <neozen> icwt: OHHH
[08:03] <th> hm.. i have feisty and removing logs fixed it
[08:03] <yellat> using the sunjre also
[08:03] <neozen> icwt: lol... I run dapper
[08:03] <DVS01> how much space would / typically need, assuming i have separate partitions for /var, /usr and /home?
[08:03] <icwt> hehe
[08:03] <yellat> been trying to squish pointer error and that was suggested somewhere
[08:03] <neozen> icwt: xubuntu dapper actually
[08:03] <ferronica> Ign http://security.ubuntu.com edgy-security/main Translation-en_IN
[08:04] <icwt> i got my nvidia drivers working
[08:04] <icwt> and aiglx + beryl
[08:04] <ferronica> neozen: Ign http://security.ubuntu.com edgy-security/main Translation-en_IN
[08:04] <SubOne> EvilDennisR: its just that now that i think of it i fail to see the difference between 1) cd'ing into the dir and calling `../../script` and having to write a bunch of string manip crap and 2) calling `script rel/path/i/want/done/`
[08:04] <DVS01> icwt: werd.. that's what im doing tonite =D
[08:04] <icwt> i really dont want to reinstall lol
[08:04] <ferronica> neozen: why is i t ignoring it
[08:04] <icwt> DVS01: it wasnt hard
[08:04] <icwt> DVS01: hell it was easy even
[08:04] <DVS01> cool
[08:05] <neozen> ferronica: ......eh?
[08:05] <neozen> ferronica: I dunno
[08:05] <ferronica> neozen: okay
[08:05] <icwt> only hitch was how to get to a damn  terminal without x
[08:05] <EvilDennisR> SubOne: Hey man, whatever you wanna do =)
[08:05] <SubOne> ty for the help though
[08:05] <Steil> Does evolution support writing to web calendars?
[08:06] <Stoffer> I'm considering a sort of complicated installation of Ubuntu (at least complicated to me), can someone help me out?  It's a partitioning issue...
[08:06] <andre__> debian people gone to bed i guest you guys dont sleep
[08:06] <icwt> meh
[08:06] <andre__> cool
[08:06] <icwt> its only 20 minutes to redownload
[08:07] <icwt> i might aswell re-install =/
[08:07] <derek_> th, ATI doesn't support composite, that is why it is disabled for me
[08:07] <DVS01> whats the convention for the tmp dir in ubuntu? is /tmp used or /var/tmp? and would symlinking between the 2 be advisable? main reason i'm asking is i'm deciding whether i should make a /tmp partition or just rely on /var
[08:08] <Stoffer> Basically I installed xp on a new hard drive today, but I left a 20GB partition for linux, and a 194GB partition for data (that isn't formatted yet).  I tried to go ahead and install ubuntu on the 20GB, but manually doing the partitioning tables didn't work.  How should it be?
[08:08] <pwuertz_> hi, is it safe to run xterm as root when providing a specific command to be executed (like a mount command prompting for a password)... are there any secret keystrokes allowing the user to spawn a new root shell?
[08:08] <vircobum> greetings
[08:10] <vircobum> looks like you guys know your stuff I might learn something
[08:10] <archigos> Heyas - I'm running feisty and my sound has stopped working - any idea where I should start to look to figure out what the problem is?
[08:10] <highlander0> hey people, do you all have anyone site that post screenshot from ubuntu ?
[08:10] <vircobum> But need to hit the sack catcha later
[08:10] <vircobum> quit
[08:10] <foug> i can't figure it out, when i'm idle my screen always goes black. I've looked under power options and screen savers but can't figure it out. My screen saver never even shows
[08:11] <dhgwill> archigos: earlier today, i had my feisty problem redirected to #ubuntu+1 (it's where the feisty problem solvers hang out)
[08:11] <neozen> icwt: sorry mon
[08:11] <archigos> thanks dhgwill
[08:11] <icwt> neozen : its fine
[08:11] <jnsears> Is there any way to create or get a LiveCD that will allow ssh connections upon boot (so I can work with the system without a display)?
[08:12] <highlander0> hey people, do you all have anyone site that posts screenshots from users from this channel ?
[08:12] <variant> jnsears: you might want to look at linux-live.org
[08:12] <variant> jnsears: allows you to make a live cd of any distrobution.. after you installed it
[08:13] <variant> foug: probably a monitor power saving setting?
[08:13] <user____> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[08:13] <user____>  how do i fix this?
[08:13] <jnsears> hmm
[08:13] <jnsears> the problem is I can't get to my install
[08:13] <jnsears> because i have no display
[08:13] <jnsears> and the ssh quit working
[08:13] <variant> user____: install drivers to provide 3d accelleration
[08:13] <DVS01> i want several root directories to be under one partition. should i just make a large / partition, or have a mount in /mnt and then mount --rbind the subdirs one by one into / subdirs?
[08:14] <teb> can anyone help me mount my fat32 partition so that my user account can read/write?
[08:14] <user____> variant  ... i have some drivers installed.. i should uninstall them..
[08:14] <user____> how do i revert to first ubuntu setup..
[08:15] <variant> teb: i beleive you havet o put something like umask=775 in fstab.. not sure of the exact syntax though
[08:15] <teb> i'm using /dev/hda5     /home/tebriel/shared      vfat      defaults  1 2
[08:15] <variant> user____: reinstall
[08:15] <foug> variant: know how to access those?
[08:15] <user____> :)
[08:15] <user____> that would suck
[08:15] <user____> any other way?
[08:15] <neozen> byebye all
[08:15] <variant> foug: on the monitor controls.. depends on monitor i guess. Not sure thats the problem at all though!
[08:16] <neozen> icwt: ask around a bit more in here
[08:16] <icwt> heh
[08:16] <neozen> icwt: before you install
[08:16] <icwt> okey
[08:16] <Skiguy> anyone have any idea why "sudo gedit /etc/pam.d/gdm" wouldn't even launch gedit?
[08:16] <neozen> icwt: I'm more of a mid-level support guy
[08:16] <icwt> hehe
[08:16] <NickGarvey> Skiguy: try gksudo
[08:16] <icwt> anybody have any idea's
[08:16] <icwt> why my wireless card has disapeered
[08:16] <neozen> icwt: I've been using linux every day for about 6 months
[08:16] <Skiguy> aright
[08:16] <Skiguy> what's that do?
[08:16] <wj32> user____: did you change xorg.conf?
[08:16] <user____> yes
[08:16] <user____> several times
[08:16] <neozen> icwt: but that does NOT make me a genius
[08:16] <user____> i guess
[08:16] <wj32> user____: change it back
[08:16] <wj32> user____: don't tell me you havent made backups
[08:16] <icwt> neozen more then me :P
[08:17] <NickGarvey> Skiguy: man gksudo, (I'm doing an essay.. don't want to get too distracted with explanations :))
[08:17] <neozen> icwt: and I could be wrong
[08:17] <user____> i have backup
[08:17] <wj32> user____: yes then go restore
[08:17] <variant> user____: if /home/ is on a seperate partition then you can reinstall the os without over writing your files
[08:17] <neozen> icwt: uncommenting the lines in the interfaces file brought my card back from the dead earlier today
[08:17] <variant> or settings
[08:17] <user____> i have several.. i have original i have fglrx ..
[08:17] <neozen> icwt: figured I'd speak up and perhaps it'd do the same for you
[08:17] <user____> home is on same partition with /
[08:18] <Stoffer> if I want to have a main parition shared between windows and ubuntu, I should make it FAT32 right?
[08:18] <icwt> yea, seems like my card decided to hide a bit further
[08:18] <NickGarvey> Stoffer: yes, but you can't have permissions on it
[08:18] <NickGarvey> Stoffer: there are ext3 drivers for windows though
[08:18] <icwt> =/
[08:18] <Stoffer> NickGarvey: advantages of ext3?
[08:18] <user____> i have an ATI radeon 9000 and i want to play wow that's all
[08:18] <zcat[1] > there's also reiserfs drivers for windows..
[08:19] <NickGarvey> Stoffer: its.. the default linux filesystem
[08:19] <user____> if i pastebin my confs anyone would help me?
[08:19] <NickGarvey> Stoffer: so.. you can have permissions and whatever
[08:19] <NickGarvey> user____: hehe I play wow on ubuntu
[08:19] <foug> variant: how do i access monitor controls?
[08:19] <icwt> =[
[08:19] <NickGarvey> !wow | user____
[08:19] <ubotu> user____: Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[08:19] <davisc> Stoffer: And it's a journalling filesystem
[08:19] <Stoffer> oh dear, it's been a while since i last used linux...
[08:19] <NickGarvey> user____: followed that gu
[08:19] <DVS01> how much space would / typically need, assuming i have separate partitions for /var, /usr and /home?
[08:19] <archigos> Stoffer, it doesn't have the serious fragmentation issues of winblows filesystems, and its journaling
[08:19] <archigos> that should be enough.
[08:19] <NickGarvey> user____: guide*
[08:19] <icwt> Any of you genious's have any idea why my wireless card disapeered
[08:20] <enyc> lick icwt
[08:20] <enyc> w
[08:20] <icwt> hmm?
[08:20] <NickGarvey> icwt: sarcasm isn't the best way to get help :\
[08:20] <enyc> oops wrong place.. this is not telnet talker...! irc room!
[08:20] <Stoffer> ok, so use reiserfs and just find a windows driver to read and write to it?
[08:20] <icwt> i wasnt kidding when i said genious i really mean it
[08:20] <icwt> your all smarter then me guaranteed =)
[08:20] <archigos> use reiser only if you have no need for journaling
[08:20] <F-nkyMNK> Can someone lend me a hand? For some reason i cannot sudo?
[08:21] <user____> i don't need ubuntu games.. i want WOW .. the blizz one
[08:21] <archigos> F-nkyMNK, you're using your USER password, not the root password, right?
[08:21] <NickGarvey> user____: maybe.. if you clicked the link.. you would know what in the article..
[08:21] <user____> i managed to get it working.. but.. i get white square when enter a room ..
[08:21] <F-nkyMNK> archigos: thats right
[08:21] <user____> wich one?
[08:21] <archigos> what error are you getting?
[08:21] <NickGarvey> user____: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WorldofWarcraft
[08:21] <F-nkyMNK> I'm typing 'sudo <command>' and the command isnt executing
[08:21] <user____> didn't see that
[08:21] <LordLimeca1> if this kernel compile fails, who do i yell at?
[08:21] <NickGarvey> F-nkyMNK: what command?
[08:22] <NickGarvey> LordLimeca1: yourself
[08:22] <LordLimeca1> :(
[08:22] <Stoffer> so if I don't need journaling (and since I don't know what it is I suppose I don't), use ext3 and find a driver for that?
[08:22] <NickGarvey> LordLimeca1: binary kernels are there for a reason ;)
[08:22] <EvilDennisR> NickGarvey: hah..
[08:22] <NickGarvey> stoffer: ext3 has journallying
[08:22] <neozen> flattery might work
[08:22] <Stoffer> omg
[08:22] <neozen> patience works even better
[08:22] <F-nkyMNK> LordLimecal: 'apt-get install <app>'. I also tried opening 'date and time', but that didn't work either.
[08:22] <sonictwin> user: http://russellthedigitalninja.com/wordpress/?p=9
[08:22] <neozen> goodnight icwt
[08:22] <LordLimeca1> NickGarvey: current kernel sound dont work
[08:22] <icwt> night
[08:22] <icwt> im reinstalling
[08:22] <NickGarvey> Stoffer: ext3 is the way to go if you read the !ext3 factoid
[08:22] <icwt> =/
[08:22] <LordLimeca1> alsa person of importance tells me i need to make new kernel
[08:22] <NickGarvey> icwt: mm.. that might not do ti
[08:23] <corevette> F-nkyMNK, can you pastebin the output of your command for us?
[08:23] <NickGarvey> LordLimeca1: oh alright, well why would it not work?
[08:23] <LordLimeca1> stoffer: i may be wrong, but journalling is important o.0
[08:23] <Stoffer> NickGarvey: ext3, gotcha.  case closed
[08:23] <neozen> NickGarvey: oh it does
[08:23] <icwt> NickGarvey: i could see it when i first isntalled
[08:23] <icwt> and updated
[08:23] <neozen> NickGarvey: its a intel pro wireless 3945abg
[08:23] <icwt> then i did something stupid
[08:23] <F-nkyMNK> When i try opening a gui app that requires sudo, it reports that the 'underlying authentication subsystem (sudo) is not available
[08:23] <icwt> and it hid
[08:23] <LordLimeca1> NickGarvey: there was a recent update to kernel something or other, alsa broke.  Tried installing new alsa drivers, kernel said oops, i said uhoh, and now am installing new kernel
[08:23] <NickGarvey> icwt: how do you know it disappeared? what do you mean by that?
[08:23] <neozen> NickGarvey: support is right there in the kernel
[08:23] <variant> F-nkyMNK: sounds like you borked your system
[08:23] <NickGarvey> LordLimeca1: sounds god to me
[08:23] <LordLimeca1> thats this weekend in a nutshell, NickGarvey
[08:24] <F-nkyMNK> haha, yeah... I dunno why...
[08:24] <neozen> hold up icwt... there is hope
[08:24] <F-nkyMNK> Oh, actually..
[08:24] <icwt> NickGarvey: ifconfig ; iwconfig shows nothing
[08:24] <NickGarvey> LordLimeca1: do you know how to compile one?  I came from gentoo so I have compiled a few more than I like too admit...
[08:24] <enyc> Stoffer: hrrm ive not known reiserfs used under win32 but seems that at least 1 beta driver exists... err... just esu ext3 and  ext2fsd  ?
[08:24] <Stoffer> alright, well, I'll take care of this in the morning
[08:24] <Stoffer> thanks guys
[08:24] <neozen> NickGarvey: I'll leave him in your hands
[08:24] <sonictwin> user____: i am running WoW on an ATI Radeon 9200
[08:24] <icwt> NickGarvey: and it network manager shows nothing
[08:24] <neozen> NickGarvey: I need to get sleep
[08:24] <NickGarvey> neozen: night
[08:24] <corevette> F-nkmyMNK have you tried restarting system
[08:24] <NickGarvey> icwt: open a terminal and do sudo ifconfig
[08:24] <NickGarvey> icwt: pastebin please
[08:24] <sonictwin> didnt have to do anything sepcial just install wine and edit the WTF.config
[08:25] <icwt> NickGarvey: okey
[08:25] <LordLimeca1> NickGarvey: just learned how, compiled one, and ping worked, but lynx, irssi, and firefox didnt (network wise)
[08:25] <F-nkyMNK> I switched my machine over to NTP, and then i was getting timestamp issues with sudo, so i followed the forum instructions on how to reset your time stamps using 'sudo -k'
[08:25] <LordLimeca1> so im recompiling
[08:25] <NickGarvey> user____: you are doing "wine WoW.exe --opengl" right?
[08:25] <F-nkyMNK> corevette: I've reset my machine
[08:25] <LordLimeca1> whats the wow issue?
[08:25] <LordLimeca1> with sound?
[08:25] <icwt> NickGarvey: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/15919/
[08:26] <NickGarvey> this essay is never going to get done..
[08:26] <variant> F-nkyMNK: that alone should not disable sudo
[08:26] <user____> NickGarvey
[08:26] <NickGarvey> icwt: how about.. sudo iwconfig
[08:26] <user____> no
[08:26] <NickGarvey> user____
[08:26] <user____> wine wow.exe
[08:26] <variant> F-nkyMNK: if you run sudo what does it say exactly?
[08:26] <F-nkyMNK> corevette: If i run 'sudo bash' to try and get a root prompt, i put my password in, and then it goes back to my normal user prompt
[08:26] <LordLimeca1> if you type "finish essay" into feisty terminal, it may have a suggestion for a program that can do it for you :D
[08:26] <NickGarvey> user____: do it with the --opengl and tell me what happens
[08:26] <NickGarvey> LordLimeca1: no luck :(
[08:26] <variant> F-nkyMNK: try sudo login root
[08:27] <LordLimeca1> finished_essay
[08:27] <LordLimeca1> "command not found, would you like to install finished_essay?"
[08:27] <icwt> NickGarvey: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/15920/
[08:27] <user____> first off i would like to say i don't have direct rendering..
[08:27] <F-nkyMNK> variant: Straight back to the $ prompt
[08:27] <user____> i should revert to fglrx
[08:27] <corevette> F-nkyMNK: can you post screenshot?
[08:27] <NickGarvey> user____: wow um, that is a problem right there
[08:27] <variant> F-nkyMNK: yeah, nm that shouldnt work
[08:27] <variant> F-nkyMNK: and sudo -i
[08:27] <variant> F-nkyMNK: ?
[08:27] <user____> i have like 7 xorg.conf files...
[08:28] <F-nkyMNK> variant: same..
[08:28] <puff> Evening, helping a friend, linux newbie, set up his laptop, Ubuntu Edgy.  (A different friend talked him into it, now I'm left holding the bag :-).  He wants to play media files, of course.  So I downloaded the easybuntu package, installed it.  Does installing easybuntu actually install all of the media drivers, or do I need to do something else?\
[08:28] <NickGarvey> icwt: yikes, its gone
[08:28] <albertolempira> hey guys my xine's controls looks pretty bad (creepy) someone know why is that for?
[08:28] <icwt> NickGarvey: yup =/
[08:28] <variant> F-nkyMNK: hmm, whatever the issue is you will have to fix it with a live cd as you can't become root otherwise
[08:28] <zcat[1] > puff, you need to run it..
[08:29] <NickGarvey> puff: honestly.. you could just wait until.. feisty.. it does all that stuff for you.. it should be out 19th unless something else is destroyed
[08:29] <variant> puff: easyubuntu is unsupported
[08:29] <F-nkyMNK> variant: yeah.. And my mate has my only 6.10 livecd
[08:29] <NickGarvey> icwt: it is compiled into your kernel right?
[08:29] <F-nkyMNK> haha
[08:29] <NickGarvey> !easyubuntu | puff
[08:29] <ubotu> puff: easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ - For help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu
[08:29] <icwt> NickGarvey yes
[08:29] <nutterpc> I must be one of the lucky ones
[08:29] <nutterpc> hehehe
[08:29] <NickGarvey> icwt: mm... any chance.. you can find it in "dmesg"?
[08:29] <variant> puff: there are better ways to install media codecs.. basically if you can go to the effort of installing easyubuntu then installing the other codecs instead is no harder
[08:29] <NickGarvey> icwt: or lspci actually
[08:29] <zcat[1] > !codecs | puff
[08:29] <ubotu> puff: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:30] <LordLimeca1> why do people dislike automatix?  isnt it just apt-gets?
[08:30] <F-nkyMNK> corevette: http://img369.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotny9.png
[08:30] <variant> LordLimeca1: it automates the installation of Non Free software
[08:30] <zcat[1] > LordLimeca1, no, it messes with a few things too
[08:30] <puff> Oookay.
[08:30] <variant> LordLimeca1: proprietry software.. who wants that???
[08:30] <LordLimeca1> variant: technically, so does feisty
[08:30] <LordLimeca1> :)
[08:30] <NickGarvey> LordLimeca1: it will force some things to happen..
[08:30] <variant> LordLimeca1: yep
[08:30] <puff> So is this basically just the same old do-30-apt-gets-in-a-row dance?
[08:30] <NickGarvey> LordLimeca1: I don't know full details though
[08:30] <variant> LordLimeca1: I have issues with both
[08:31] <LordLimeca1> it just seems like it gets a really bad rap for issues that may or may not be current
[08:31] <zcat[1] > puff, What I usually do is just cut and paste the entire string of apt-get's into a terminal..
[08:31] <icwt> NickGarvey: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/15921/
[08:31] <LordLimeca1> it has a pretty good log, and lets you see/undo sources.list changes
[08:31] <puff> zcat[1] :  Yah, I did that for my laptop, there were a few catch-22s.
[08:31] <variant> LordLimeca1: and I do use proprietry software (flash) but I at least want to know which I am using is proprietry and be able to replace it when possible.. if everyone used automatix a lot of people would be using increasing amounts of proprietry software
[08:31] <puff> So has any of this appreciably changed since dapper?  'cause I coudl just use my notes from when I did it.
[08:32] <LordLimeca1> variant: ill give you that :)
[08:32] <zcat[1] > For codecs it works. For things like flash and java it stops to prompt and pasting messes that up.
[08:32] <LordLimeca1> although i THINK itll notify you now
[08:32] <NickGarvey> LordLimeca1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonCustomizations#head-f87ab027cad4d5a0ce0787c76b15f2188d41f9e7
[08:32] <F-nkyMNK> Are there any particular log files i can flick thru to get an idea as to what happened?
[08:32] <NickGarvey> icwt: so.. its there..
[08:32] <NickGarvey> icwt: is it a module? do you need to modprobe the module?
[08:32] <variant> F-nkyMNK: read the sudo man page for a start.. should give you a few clues. it also has a relevent files section at the bottom
[08:33] <LordLimeca1> NickGarvey: that answers my question quite nicely :)
[08:33] <icwt> NickGarvey: that i wouldnt know
[08:33] <NickGarvey> icwt: mm.. have you rebooted?
[08:34] <icwt> NickGarvey: yes
[08:34] <F-nkyMNK> ta, brb
[08:34] <NickGarvey> icwt: is there a button for it maybe? like on a laptop?
[08:34] <icwt> NickGarvey - yes but its on
[08:34] <NickGarvey> icwt: hm.. that means.. that it knows it is there..
[08:34] <NickGarvey> icwt: does the live cd work?
[08:35] <icwt> didnt really try
[08:35] <sorcerer22> anyone .. know any good torrent clients other than azureus ?
[08:35] <zcat[1] > btw anyone else using nvidia and bt878 cards together? I have issues on two different machines. This one Xorg goes to 100% CPU quite often with the nvidia drivers but is OK with nv or without the bt878 card. The other machine crashes as soon as I start anything that accesses the tuner card. I haven't tried it with nv drivers, I'm assuming it would be ok too.
[08:35] <NickGarvey> icwt: well honestly, its late and I'm running out of ideas.. so.. if you could try that.. (don't give up yet, but I should start doing this essay.., I'll still be here)
[08:36] <foug> any beryl users around/
[08:36] <icwt> NickGarvey: im going to try and reinstall
[08:36] <icwt> i just got the 6.10 cd
[08:36] <zcat[1] > foug, yeah
[08:36] <NickGarvey> foug: #ubuntu-effects
[08:36] <foug> zcat[1] : how do i change my alt-tabbing to go back to normal?
[08:36] <foug> NickGarvey: rgr
[08:36] <zcat[1] > foug: how did you change it to not be normal?
[08:37] <foug> zcat[1] : just, installed beryl as far as i know
[08:37] <LordLimeca1> NickGarvey: just got this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15927/  do i need to recompile -_-
[08:37] <NickGarvey> foug: oh.. well.. just go to... beryl-manager.. theres an option in there I'm sure..
[08:37] <zcat[1] > ahhhh ok. Somewhere in the settings you can turn the alt-tab effect off. No idea where
[08:37] <foug> NickGarvey: looking around right now but can't really find anything
[08:37] <NickGarvey> LordLimeca1: what sources do you have?
[08:38] <zcat[1] > personally I think it's cool
[08:38] <NickGarvey> foug: mm.. I'd start beryl manager but I really really don't want my desktop to crash right now
[08:38] <LordLimeca1> used git clone rsync://rsync.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/bcollins/ubuntu-feisty.git
[08:38] <NickGarvey> LordLimeca1: there is a linux-sources package I believe..
[08:39] <NickGarvey> ah ben collins, love that guy