[01:58] <Beererde> hi. i have a strange problem with autogen and Transmission: http://de.pastebin.ca/827865
[14:48] <XSource> hey there bluekuja :p
[15:04] <bluekuja> heya XSource
[15:04] <XSource> how's it going :D
[15:08] <bluekuja> really good, you?
[15:08] <XSource> great.. learning more about kernels :))
[15:08] <bluekuja> xD
[15:10] <XSource> but still can't catch with the Linux kernel devs, they are fast and more knowledgeable
[15:10] <bluekuja> yeah, did you get in touch with the Ubuntu Kernel Team?
[15:11] <XSource> not yet
[23:21] <stoneybolgna> yoo
[23:22] <stoneybolgna> anyone here


[04:00] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: are you on a dutch ubuntu?
[04:57] <OerHeks> dutch ubuntu?
[05:26] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: yeah dutch language
[05:27] <lotuspsychje> got a bug that needs a bit of affecting love
[05:27] <lotuspsychje> bug #1851028
[05:28] <OerHeks> nope, english
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx anyway
[05:28] <OerHeks> ah oke https://launchpadlibrarian.net/449603541/livepatch.png
[05:29] <lotuspsychje> its across several ubuntu versions still


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[08:06] <mup> PR snapd#12991 opened: libhybris graphics driver support <Created by fredldotme> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12991>
[09:26] <mup> PR snapd#12992 opened: wrappers: tell user systemd instances to reload after updating snapd's user units <Created by jhenstridge> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12992>
[12:37] <mup> PR snapd#12993 opened: many: implement snap install --prefer <Needs Documentation -auto-> <Created by ZeyadYasser> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12993>
[12:57] <mup> PR snapd#12930 closed: many: carry BootloaderOptions instead of RebootBootloader in RebootInfo <Created by Meulengracht> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12930>
[13:33] <mup> PR snapd#12822 closed: interfaces: allow suppressing pycache deny rule <Squash-merge> <Created by xnox> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12822>
[14:33] <mup> PR snapd#12945 closed: daemon: fix /v2/snaps "Internal Server Error" error when installing unknown snaps <Simple 😃> <Needs Documentation -auto-> <Created by ZeyadYasser> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12945>
[17:29] <mup> PR snapd#12994 opened: tests: fix upgrade-from-release for ubuntu mantic and fix it for lunar <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12994>
[21:04] <mup> PR snapcraft#4284 opened: project: output version value with error message <Created by aritra24> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4284>


[16:56] <jsjgruber> We'll be starting our test of the proposed Lernid version in just a couple of minutes.
[17:01] <ClassBot> Logs for this session will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/07/30/%23ubuntu-classroom.html following the conclusion of the session.
[17:01] <jsjgruber> Thank you for joining us to day for a test of the proposed new version of
[17:01] <jsjgruber> Lernid.
[17:01] <jsjgruber> Unless you have already installed the lernid-proposed ppa we'll need to do that first.
[17:02] <jsjgruber> Here are the commands:
[17:02] <jsjgruber> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:jsjgruber/lernid-proposed
[17:02] <jsjgruber> sudo apt-get update
[17:02] <jsjgruber> sudo apt-get --reinstall install lernid
[17:02] <jsjgruber> dpkg -s lernid
[17:07] <jsjgruber> Are folks doing okay? YOu can respond in #ubuntu-classroom-chat.
[17:08] <JoseeAntonioR> the session isn't moderated
[17:08] <jsjgruber> We will be testing a proposed version of Lernid with lot's of bug fixes and
[17:08] <jsjgruber> a few new features. Thanks to coalwater (Mohammed AbuShady) for several
[17:08] <jsjgruber> of the bug fixes.
[17:09] <jsjgruber> Excellent, but lernid won't allow you to type to the classroom. So if you are running another irc client too, you can type here, otherwise you can type in the chatroom.
[17:09] <jsjgruber> Bug fixes, and often new features, start with people
[17:09] <jsjgruber> filing bug reports. Please, please let us know, in particular, if you
[17:09] <jsjgruber> have any problems with Lernid. We need to correct any show-stoppers
[17:09] <jsjgruber> before Ubuntu learning sessions happen, and we like to fix as many of the
[17:09] <jsjgruber> minor bugs as we can.
[17:09] <jsjgruber> You should see that you are running a version of 0.8.4 (the rest of the
[17:09] <jsjgruber> version number is something that is added by the launchpad build recipe
[17:09] <jsjgruber> and can be ignored. It won't be there when we actually make our release
[17:09] <jsjgruber> to the lernid upstream ppa.
[17:10] <jsjgruber> Nor will it be there when lernid is release to Ubuntu.
[17:10] <jsjgruber> Who is joining us for lernid testing? Please speak up here are in #ubuntu-classroom-chat.
[17:15] <jsjgruber> Again, to install the version of Lernid open a terminal with ctl-Alt-T and then enter the following:
[17:15] <jsjgruber> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:jsjgruber/lernid-proposed
[17:15] <jsjgruber> sudo apt-get update
[17:15] <jsjgruber> sudo apt-get --reinstall install lernid
[17:15] <jsjgruber> dpkg -s lernid
[17:17] <jsjgruber> JoseeAntonioR,  do you have the new version of Lernid running?
[17:17] <JoseeAntonioR> that's right
[17:18] <jsjgruber> Would you look at the current session in the schedule to see the Instructor list (should be just me).
[17:20] <JoseeAntonioR> correct
[17:20] <jsjgruber> Just a minute please.
[17:22] <ClassBot> Logs for this session will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/07/30/%23ubuntu-classroom.html following the conclusion of the session.
[17:23] <jsjgruber> Ok, NigelB has been kind enough to make a change to the calendar for us. In a few minutes Lernid should see the change. You can see the classbot just noticed the change, too.
[17:25] <jsjgruber> Within a few minutes you should see the change in Lernid.
[17:25] <jsjgruber> A few minutes means maybe ten minutes.
[17:26] <jsjgruber> letozaf__ , were you able to install the new lernid version?
[17:26] <letozaf___> yes
[17:27] <jsjgruber> Did it start for you ok?
[17:28] <jsjgruber> Please go to Help in the menu, and then about. It should list the version there
[17:28] <jsjgruber> as <IP_ADDRESS>.
[17:28] <jsjgruber> Does everyone see that as the version?
[17:28] <letozaf___> yes
[17:28] <JoseeAntonioR> and  that's right!
[17:28] <jsjgruber> very good.
[17:29] <jsjgruber> Let's try to enter an IRC command. (Lernid doesn't support IRC commands, but it shouldn't cause it a problem, either):
[17:29] <jsjgruber>  "/whois jsjgruber"
[17:29] <jsjgruber> without the quotes, of course
[17:30] <letozaf___> I get: [19:29] IRC commands are not yet supported.
[17:30] <jsjgruber> that goes in the bottom right of lernid, and it should just give you an error message right above where you enter it.
[17:30] <jsjgruber> letozaf__, excellent
[17:30] <JoseeAntonioR> that's right
[17:30] <jsjgruber> letozaf___, excellent
[17:31] <jsjgruber> We used to get a lernid traceback when that happened. That was fixed with coalwater's help.
[17:32] <jsjgruber> Did either of you start lernid from a terminal or did you start it from the gui?
[17:32] <JoseeAntonioR> gui, you didn't mention debuggin mode D:
[17:33] <jsjgruber> No, I didn't. I have that for later, but I'd thought I'd ask. We'll try it again later if we have time.
[17:33] <jsjgruber> let's try to access flash.
[17:33] <JoseeAntonioR> btw, the calendar updated
[17:33] <jsjgruber> Lernid is unable to use flash as the newest flash
[17:33] <jsjgruber> crashes webkit programs when run on older CPU's. We want to support access to
[17:33] <jsjgruber> the classroom from the oldest computers Ubuntu supports.
[17:33] <jsjgruber> http://pastebin.com
[17:34] <jsjgruber> any crashes?
[17:34] <JoseeAntonioR> no crashes!
[17:35] <jsjgruber> Now I'll draw your attention to the Session tab and our current session. Do you see JoseeAntonioR in the list of instructors?
[17:37] <jsjgruber> Do you both see JoseeAntonioR in the list of instructors?
[17:37] <JoseeAntonioR> I do
[17:37] <letozaf___> I do, but not in the session tab but in the schedule tab
[17:38] <jsjgruber> Sorry, about that, the schedule tab.
[17:38] <letozaf___> ok, no prolbem!
[17:39] <jsjgruber> You should be able to press the reload button on the bottom of the schedule tab. Please press it a few times, giving it a little time between presses. Any problems?
[17:40] <letozaf___> no problem
[17:40] <jsjgruber> JoseeAntonioR, work for you ok?
[17:40] <JoseeAntonioR> yep
[17:40] <jsjgruber> Let's go to the Session tab at the top.
[17:41] <jsjgruber> I'll bring up a slide:
[17:41] <jsjgruber> [slidefile https://sites.google.com/site/gruberdocuments/engineering-docs/lernid-test-slides.pdf 3]
[17:41] <jsjgruber> and then we will change it:
[17:41] <jsjgruber> [slide 4]
[17:42] <jsjgruber> are you both still with us, now on slide 4?
[17:42] <JoseeAntonioR> yep
[17:42] <letozaf___> yes
[17:42] <jsjgruber> Please click on the buttons under the schedule and under the slide to see
[17:42] <jsjgruber> that they do what they say they do.
[17:42] <jsjgruber> Any problems?
[17:42] <jsjgruber> I'll wait a couple of minutes here.
[17:43] <JoseeAntonioR> everything works fine
[17:43] <letozaf___> everything is ok
[17:43] <jsjgruber> great.
[17:43] <jsjgruber> Let's try loading a much longer slide file:
[17:43] <jsjgruber> [slidefile http://www.gnu.org/software/guile-gnome/docs/gtk/guile-gnome-gtk.pdf 2]
[17:43] <jsjgruber> Please tell me when it has loaded.
[17:44] <letozaf___> loade
[17:44] <JoseeAntonioR> done
[17:44] <letozaf___> sorry loaded
[17:44] <JoseeAntonioR> [slide 2]
[17:44] <jsjgruber> you guys must have pretty good connectivity.
[17:44] <jsjgruber> I'll load it again.
[17:44] <jsjgruber> [slidefile http://www.gnu.org/software/guile-gnome/docs/gtk/guile-gnome-gtk.pdf 2]
[17:44] <JoseeAntonioR> done
[17:44] <letozaf___> got it
[17:45] <jsjgruber> very good.
[17:45] <jsjgruber> Could someone please post a question by checking the checkbox at the bottom
[17:45] <jsjgruber> right and typeing something?
[17:46] <jsjgruber> The spacing shouldn't look unusual.
[17:46] <jsjgruber> letozaf___, excellent, looks right.
[17:46] <jsjgruber> cheese is good.
[17:47] <jsjgruber> If you go to the schedule tab you should be able to see irc log entries.
[17:47] <JoseeAntonioR> right
[17:47] <letozaf___> yes
[17:47] <jsjgruber> and should be able to go back in time to see the entries for logs from past days and months.
[17:48] <JoseeAntonioR> right
[17:48] <letozaf___> right
[17:48] <jsjgruber> Would you both please click on an entry or two and see if your browser will bring the log file up in a tab?
[17:49] <JoseeAntonioR> that's correct!
[17:49] <letozaf___> yes it works
[17:49] <jsjgruber> we are moving right along now.
[17:50] <jsjgruber> Please go to a new terminal session and enter "man lernid" it should bring up the new lernid man page.
[17:50] <letozaf___> yes
[17:50] <JoseeAntonioR> yep
[17:50] <jsjgruber> very good.
[17:52] <jsjgruber> In a minute, let's stop lernid and restart it from a terminal this time. As it starts I'd like you to keep an eye on the message bar at the bottom. It should tell you what nick the server has assigned to you.
[17:52] <jsjgruber> Then please reenter "/whois jsjgruber"
[17:52] <jsjgruber> Ok
[17:52] <jsjgruber> Please let me know when you are back
[17:52] <letozaf___> ok
[17:53] <letozaf___> I'm back and typed the message
[17:54] <JoseeAntonioR> hmm, I seem to get no traceback
[17:54] <jsjgruber> JoseeAntonioR, great.
[17:54] <letozaf___> same for me no message at the bottom
[17:54] <jsjgruber> letozaf___, no error in the terminal?
[17:55] <letozaf___> no I meant that when I opened learnid from terminal
[17:55] <letozaf___> I did not see anything on the message bar
[17:55] <letozaf___> at the bottom
[17:56] <jsjgruber> letozaf___, let me think about that for a minute. When you entered /whois you got no traceback in the terminal, though?
[17:56] <letozaf___> yes
[17:56] <letozaf___> Maybe I misunderstood
[17:57] <letozaf___> I got a message box telling me my nick
[17:57] <jsjgruber> That's great. That's what we want. I confused matters by asking you to test two things at once.
[17:58] <letozaf___> ok
[17:59] <jsjgruber> Now I'll ask you to restart lernid again, this time entering the --no-update option on the command line. That option is for those with modems who wouldn't want to reload the calendar several times an hour.
[17:59] <jsjgruber> Please go ahead if you don't mind.
[18:00] <letozaf___> ok done
[18:00] <JoseeAntonioR> I'm back here
[18:01] <jsjgruber> welcome back, JoseeAntonioR
[18:02] <jsjgruber> letozaf___ are you back with us with lernid?
[18:02] <letozaf___> yes
[18:02] <jsjgruber> no errors, I assume?
[18:02] <letozaf___> no errors
[18:02] <jsjgruber> Using the File menu at the top of the screen, please disconnect from the
[18:02] <jsjgruber> session and then reconnect.
[18:03] <jsjgruber> please try it a couple of times.
[18:04] <letozaf___> I'm back, everything seems fine
[18:04] <jsjgruber> great, let's give JoseeAntonioR a bit more time
[18:05] <jsjgruber> No errors for anyone?
[18:05] <JoseeAntonioR> I'm done
[18:05] <letozaf___> no errors for me
[18:05] <JoseeAntonioR> nope
[18:06] <jsjgruber> great. Let's go to the terminal tab and enter an ls command. Any problems with that?
[18:06] <letozaf___> no problems
[18:06] <JoseeAntonioR> what directory should I list?
[18:07] <jsjgruber> It doesn't matter. Just want to make sure we haven't messed up the terminal with any of the fixes we put elsewhere.
[18:08] <jsjgruber> Unless JoseeAntonioR has a problem ...
[18:08] <jsjgruber> Everything else we have done falls into the realm of bug fixes and
[18:08] <jsjgruber> making lernid more robust. It's harder to test them individually so
[18:08] <jsjgruber> I'll just ask if anything has gone wrong for anyone--we have already
[18:08] <jsjgruber> gone through logging on, loading the calendar, and loading slides, where
[18:08] <jsjgruber> many of the changes have gone.
[18:08] <jsjgruber> Anyone having any problems?
[18:08] <jsjgruber> You are free to keep using this version of lernid if you like. If you see
[18:08] <jsjgruber> a bug please report it from http://bugs.launchpad.net/lernid. As always, please
[18:08] <jsjgruber> note the release of lernid you are using.
[18:08] <jsjgruber> To go back to the released version of lernid:
[18:08] <jsjgruber> sudo ppa-purge ppa:jsjgruber/lernid-proposed
[18:08] <jsjgruber> Any final questions or problems?
[18:09] <JoseeAntonioR> everything went fine
[18:09] <letozaf___> no, everything went fine
[18:10] <jsjgruber> Thanks to you both for helping me test lernid--it really helps build confidence that everything will work in production as well as it works during my testing.
[18:10] <letozaf___> it was a pleasure to help
[18:10] <jsjgruber> It's very important that lernid doesn't distract from our learning sessions by being buggy.
[18:12] <jsjgruber> Thanks JoseeAntonioR, it was great to have your help once again.
[18:12] <JoseeAntonioR> np :)
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[00:00] <bllz> well mine is, but my roomate has windows
[00:00] <rhpot1991> fontend and backend are still on the same box right, or are you running frontends on the laptop?
[00:01] <bllz> the laptop is entirely independent
[00:01] <bllz> i'm talking about an smb copy
[00:01] <bllz> i.e. drag 'n drop onto the desktop
[00:02] <bllz> open smb share in windows (or linux, whatever), drag movie to desktop, wait, profit
[00:02] <bllz> that's the scenario
[00:02] <mrand> bllz: that should work fine.
[00:02] <rhpot1991> bllz: what I do, is I mount via ssh and copy my videos over
[00:03] <rhpot1991> windows has winscp that can do that for you
[00:03] <bllz> and the question is simply, are all videos in the video storage group accessible through the smb share that points to /var/lib/mythtv/videos
[00:03] <rhpot1991> in linux gnome does it nicely
[00:03] <rhpot1991> so you'd login and see your home dir or root, and just navigate whereever you please
[00:03] <bllz> rhpot1991:  i know there are other ways to do it, but my roomates are not technically inclined, so i'd like for them to be able to drag and drop from smb
[00:03] <rhpot1991> bllz: smb shares would require a share for every physical folder
[00:03] <rhpot1991> you could use some symlinks possibly to avoid that
[00:03] <bllz> rhpot1991:  okay that's all =)
[00:04] <bllz> rhpott1991:  how would I do that?
[00:04] <rhpot1991> you seem to be dancing around and making something more difficult than it needs to be though
[00:04] <bllz> rhpot1991:  well that's why i was going to use an lvm =/
[00:04] <rhpot1991> lvm == headaches :)
[00:04] <rhpot1991> but if you really want to go ahead
[00:04] <rhpot1991> I've been there and I'm not going back
[00:05] <bllz> rhpot1991:  what kind of headaches?
[00:05] <bllz> in installation, or in use?
[00:05] <rhpot1991> if something goes bad the lvm goes poof
[00:05] <bllz> aah yeah, like raid0 in that respect
[00:05] <rhpot1991> its a pain to modify without having a drive larger than the sum of the lvm
[00:06] <rhpot1991> plus its kinda a pain to setup, you need to use an alt disc
[00:06] <tgm4883> bllz, are you trying to copy to or from the smb share?
[00:06] <bllz> is it possible to set them up from the livecd at all?
[00:06] <rhpot1991> our stance for the most part is that storage groups solve any need you had for a lvm
[00:06] <bllz> tgm4883:  no i just want all videos to be available from one smb share
[00:06] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: copy to a smb share
[00:06] <rhpot1991> which is on his backend
[00:06] <rhpot1991> but he wants 2 dirs to be one share
[00:06] <tgm4883> ah
[00:06] <bllz> right
[00:07] <rhpot1991> bllz: what a LVM will do is fill up your first drive first then move to the 2nd
[00:07] <rhpot1991> its not gonna load ballance them or anything
[00:07] <tgm4883> yea I don't think it works like that. You could share /var/lib/mythtv, then have subdirs be video1 and video2
[00:07] <bllz> rhpot1991:  that's not a problem, really
[00:07] <rhpot1991> so you may as well just make 2 shares
[00:07] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: ya he could do that and possibly symlink
[00:07] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, no need to symlink
[00:07] <bllz> symlinking sounds like a pain to maintain
[00:07] <rhpot1991> I used to do that with nfs, had my backends with all the same folder structures
[00:07] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: well symlink or set it up to mount in there
[00:08] <tgm4883> exactly
[00:08] <bllz> of course... i could always just dedicae an entire drive to recordings and livetv... and then have the other one be the system drive and everything else
[00:09] <rhpot1991> what default directory?
[00:09] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: ^
[00:09] <rhpot1991> worky?
[00:09] <tgm4883> nope
[00:09] <tgm4883> odd
[00:09] <rhpot1991> weird indeed
[00:09] <mazda01> want to upgrade from mythbuntu 9.04 to 9.10, many people have success?
[00:09] <rhpot1991> mazda01: should go pretty smoothly
[00:09] <tgm4883> bllz, what is your end goal?
[00:09] <mazda01> bllz, that's how I have my setup.
[00:10] <markl_> mazda01: myth 0.22 is pretty buggy still from what i can tell; maybe try it on another machine first
[00:10] <markl_> unless you don't play videos
[00:10] <bllz> tgm4883:  simple really... 1)  use both of my 500gb drives and 2) have all files in a storage group available from one smb share
[00:10] <mazda01> rhpot1991, going to also upgrade a frontend from 9.04 to 9.10 of ubuntu which has mythtv installed in it.
[00:10] <mazda01> markl_, are you serious? it's been awhile since .22 was released. what bugs? any show stoppers
[00:11] <tgm4883> I disagree about the 0.22 bugs
[00:11] <rhpot1991> haha markl_ , enough
[00:11] <mazda01> bllz, not a problem, that's why storage groups were defined. do you have to use smb though? i use NFS for mine
[00:12] <bllz> mazda01:  my roomates are on windows clients
[00:12] <bllz> mazda01:  so i think that precludes the use of NFS
[00:12] <tgm4883> bllz, are they writing to or reading from the drive?
[00:12] <bllz> both, but mostly writing
[00:12] <mazda01> tgm4883, so no show stoppers then. mythvideo works good, mythweb, etc. i know in the past I have had a problem with mythweb getting scrwed up. will that happen?
[00:12] <tgm4883> I guess my real question is, why not just use UPNP?
[00:13] <rhpot1991> mazda01: there is one issue with mythvideo
[00:13] <rhpot1991> !iso | mazda01
[00:13] <Zinn> mazda01: Storage Groups are a streaming method of transmitting material to a frontend, meaning they don't provide block-level access to the file in question. An ISO is a disk image, and requires block-level access. Upstream has a plan to simulate a block device across the network using NBD for 0.23. Until then you can use the following workaround: http://www.baablogic.net/drupal/node/7
[00:13] <rhpot1991> that fixes it for you, so no real worries
[00:13] <tgm4883> basically, you go legacy mythvideos for ISO's
[00:13] <mazda01> bllz, you said that the drives you want to write recording to are coming from a windows server??? or do you mean that your roommates will need access the recordings that you want to share to them using smb? so you're writing to a local drive, but your sharing the files over smb
[00:14] <bllz> mazda01:  no no, the roomates are on windows clients, reading and writing to the myth server
[00:14] <mrand> mazda01: mythvideo and mythweb are probably the two most overall improved functional areas in all of 0.22 (ignoring theming, which isn't really _functional_)
[00:14] <rhpot1991> markl_: making a directory for your DVD folders didn't help?  I'd think that the same work around should work there
[00:14] <rhpot1991> markl_: you need to make sure that directory is not in a storage group as well
[00:15] <mrand> I tend to wrap all those files in the VIDEOS directory back into an .iso so its easier to move around and manage.
[00:18] <bllz> ok so I think i've settled on a simple solution here.  I'll install to drive A and i'll configure my storage directories in the myth-backend-setup to record livetv to drive b
[00:18] <bllz> just a quick question though... what's the difference between the recordings and livetv storage directories?
[00:18] <tgm4883> one is for recordings and one is for live tv
[00:18] <tgm4883> you don't technically need live tv
[00:19] <bllz> thgm4883:  call me stupid, but i don't understand the disticntion
[00:20] <tgm4883> it's there in case you want live tv to go onto a separate hard drive
[00:20] <bllz> you mean livetv that isn't going to get permanently stored as a recording?
[00:20] <tgm4883> AFAIK, yes
[00:21] <mrand> bllz: not unless you press the record button while you are watching it.
[00:21] <bllz> aah okay that makes sense
[00:21] <bllz> mrand, right
[00:21] <tgm4883> i'm not sure what happens if you hit the record button
[00:21] <tgm4883> mrand, does it move it?
[00:21] <bllz> proably gets moved?
[00:21] <mrand> hrm.  don't know, actually.
[00:21] <tgm4883> heh
[00:21] <bllz> mrand, god don't you know anything?! =)
[00:21] <mrand> My directories aren't set up that way.
[00:22] <bllz> by default they're in two separate directories, though... aren't they?
[00:22] <tgm4883> bllz, I don't think so
[00:22] <tgm4883> wait
[00:22] <tgm4883> yea, but on the same drive
[00:22] <bllz> yeah that's what i thought
[00:22] <bllz> hmm
[00:22] <tgm4883> I don't watch live tv though
[00:22] <bllz> aah
[00:22] <tgm4883> doesn't make much sense to me
[00:23] <mrand> gotta run.
[00:23] <tgm4883> why would I want the opportunity to miss something?
[00:27] <bllz> how do you guys have your swap space set up?  is it a good idea to put a swap partition on every drive?
[00:27] <tgm4883> bllz, no
[00:27] <tgm4883> I just have it on my system drive
[00:28] <tgm4883> I think 1GB worth
[00:36] <bllz> what's the word on filesystems these days?  last time I installed (8.04), XFS was all the rage for myth servers
[00:45] <rhpot1991> livetv is stored but weighted lower so its deleted quicker
[00:45] <rhpot1991> bllz: ext4 is the default now
[00:45] <rhpot1991> markl_: I'm gonna extract an iso later and test it out
[00:46] <bllz> rhpot1991:  thanks
[00:46] <bllz> rphot1991:  in fact thanks for all the help today... i'm slowly learning =)
[00:54] <rhpot1991> bllz: no problem, thats what we are here for
[00:54] <rhpot1991> bllz: if you have the hardware it might be a good idea to do an install and mess around
[00:55] <rhpot1991> you might be able to learn more by getting in there
[00:55] <bllz> haha i've been doing that actually
[00:55] <bllz> several times
[00:55] <bllz> which brings up another point
[00:56] <bllz> rhpot1991:  I installed 9.10 about 30 times over the past 2 weeks, but my last install acted really weird (and I didn't really do anything differently) ... what happened was that my electronic program guide was very unresponsive.  it took about 10 seconds for it to respond to one button press
[00:56] <bllz> any idea what may have caused that so I don't do it again?
[00:57] <rhpot1991> bllz: hard to tell, if you had some logs from when that happened that would be the place to start
[00:57] <bllz> past installation, im afraid... if it happens again i'll come here with logs
[00:58] <rhpot1991> bllz: whenever anything gest slow run top and see if there is something pegging the system
[00:58] <bllz> aah good idea. i hadn't thought of that
[00:58] <rhpot1991> after that check your logs for hints
[00:58] <bllz> the strange thing was it was *only* the EPG
[00:58] <rhpot1991> there will be a mythbuntu-log-grabber on the system that you can run and pastebin the logs for people in here to inspect
[00:58] <bllz> but like i said... if it happens again, i'll go to the logs
[00:59] <bllz> rhpot1991:  i'm used to gnome... how can i tell if a volume is mounted in xfce?
[01:27] <dhimiter> hello, i tried installing mythbuntu 9.10 on a dell xps laptop. installation went well, but OS does not boot up after restart. i'm stuck on a black screen
[01:30] <bllz> dhimiter:  reinstall?
[01:30] <goppp> I am back
[01:30] <bllz> dhimiter:  or did you install mythbuntu to an already existing ubuntu installation?
[01:30] <goppp> I get stuck at grub
[01:31] <goppp> bliz all I see is my windows boot drive in the grub menu
[01:31] <goppp> so I did some cli stuff in grub
[01:31] <bllz> goppp:  you'll likely have better luck in #ubuntu
[01:31] <dhimiter> i had ubuntu 9.04 but i formatted the HD before installing mythbuntu
[01:32] <bllz> dhimiter:  then just reinstall.  iv'e had that happen once or twice (don't know why) and it always gets fixed the next time around
[01:33] <goppp> yea I will try third reinstall, becuase as far I gotten was initramfs
[01:34] <bllz> goppp:  it might be worth checking your drive for errors if it persists
[01:42] <goppp> k yea I will try chkdsk
[01:43] <bllz> goppp:  try with smartmontools too
[01:45] <dhimiter> i tried twice alredy. i'll give it another try
[02:17] <dhimiter> bliz, i just installed again and still no luck. same thing on the reboot
[02:20] <Shadow__X> anyone ever figure out hte motd bug with mythtv .22?
[02:30] <dhimiter> i'm trying another install and now i'm paying more attention to step 4. Prepare disk space
[02:31] <goppp> smartmontools
[02:32] <dhimiter> the install is telling me that my PC has Ubuntu 9.10 on it: /dev/sda1 91.3 GB. the options are 1) Install them side by side, 2) erase and use the entire disk, 3) specify partitions manually
[02:33] <dhimiter> so far i've used options 2 and 3 and they have not worked. when i picked 3 i used the entire disk space for mythbuntu.
[02:34] <dhimiter> which option do i pick. i only want to use mythbuntu on this machine
[02:49] <map7_> Does anyone else's DVD drive eject then close straight away when hitting the eject button under mythbuntu 9.10?
[03:06] <bllz> why does my mythtv interface fade to black as soon as the frontend loads up?
[03:09] <superm1> are you running on gnome?
[03:09] <bllz> superm1:  no, xfce
[03:09] <superm1> map7_, it should be delayed by a little bit - about 10 sec or so
[03:09] <bllz> superm1:  i have opengl enabled though
[03:09] <superm1> well that's weird then
[03:10] <bllz> I see the interface breifly and then it fades to black
[03:10] <bllz> the strange thing is taht if i try to leave the frontend interface, the dialgoue box becomes visible...
[03:10] <superm1> sounds like maybe you are missing your GL drivers then?
[03:10] <bllz> superm1:  i should add that i'm starting the frontend from vnc
[03:11] <superm1> oh that's definitely it then
[03:11] <bllz> superm1:  okay
[03:11] <superm1> don't do GL unless you have GL support
[03:11] <bllz> superm1:  yeah i definitely have the drivers, as it was working moments ago
[03:11] <bllz> superm1:  you mean for vnc?
[03:11] <superm1> yes
[03:11] <superm1> vnc won't support GLX
[03:11] <superm1> so it's not going to behave properly
[03:11] <bllz> superm1:  ok makes sense
[03:11] <bllz> superm1:  how do i start it from the command line?
[03:11] <superm1> there's a reset flag
[03:12] <superm1> i dont recall it off hand
[03:12] <bllz> superm1;  okay i'll look it up on the mighty google
[03:12] <bllz> thanks
[03:12] <superm1> look at --help
[03:12] <superm1> it's in the flags
[03:12] <superm1> mythfrontend --help
[03:15] <bllz> superm1:  figured it out... "sudo reboot"
[03:15] <bllz> lol
[03:17] <bllz> oh for fuck's sake...
[03:17] <Zinn> bllz: Please watch your language.
[03:17] <map7_> superm1 what should be delayed? The eject call?
[03:17] <bllz> superm1:  still having the problem... even with no vnc
[03:17] <superm1> map7_, it's not actually an eject call that causes it, it's a disk read call
[03:18] <superm1> it was fixed at release with a fix that delayed it to about 10 sec
[03:18] <superm1> but some people still reported troubles
[03:18] <superm1> and those are fixed in the latest -fixes builds, which you can grab from http://mythbuntu.org/auto-builds
[03:18] <superm1> bllz, with no vnc and the QT painter it's happening?
[03:19] <map7_> superm1 ok i'll give auto-builds a go when I backup this system.
[03:19] <bllz> superm1:  no still opengl painter
[03:19] <bllz> superm1:  i can't change the settings since I can't see the interface
[03:19] <superm1> bllz, that's why i said to use the reset flag on mythfrontend
[03:19] <bllz> superm1:  and what's more, the interface shows up for about 3 seconds before smoothly fading out to black
[03:19] <bllz> oooh... i didn't find that
[03:20] <bllz> superm1:  i tried typing mythfrontend --help
[03:20] <bllz> got nothing
[03:20] <superm1> "-r or --reset                  Resets frontend appearance settings and language"
[03:20] <superm1> so run 'mythfrontend -r'
[03:20] <superm1> and that will reset things
[03:20] <bllz> "unable to display, cannot connect to x server"
[03:21] <superm1> you aren't running it on the local console it sounds like
[03:21] <bllz> superm1:  no, ssh
[03:21] <superm1> it wont work there
[03:21] <superm1> only on VNC or on the console
[03:22] <bllz> superm1:  so now all the settings are back to default?
[03:22] <superm1> appearance and language only
[03:23] <bllz> ah okay much better
[03:24] <superm1> so you have some kind of problem with GL still if that was happening
[03:25] <superm1> and i'd say that's likely why you were having problems with your program guide being delayed too if GL was messed up
[03:39] <Shadow__X> hey superm1 are you aware of a lack of a motd when using mythtv .22
[03:39] <superm1> nope
[04:15] <rhpot1991> Shadow__X: do you have byobu installed?
[04:16] <Shadow__X> no what is that
[04:16] <rhpot1991> modification of gnuscreen, I do and have noticed that it seems to consume my mythtv-statue MOTD and I don't see it on login
[04:16] <rhpot1991> figured it might be relivant
[04:18] <Shadow__X> hmm do i need to have that installed to use screen and yes i do have it installed
[04:19] <rhpot1991> Shadow__X: which installed screen or byobu?
[04:20] <Shadow__X> both are installed i was asking if i uninstall byobu would that affect screen
[04:23] <rhpot1991> Shadow__X: I don't think so, packages.ubuntu.com seems to be down now so I can't look
[04:23] <rhpot1991> Shadow__X: run both see if your MOTD is in there
[04:34] <Shadow__X> rhpot1991: ok i uninstalled it now going to check it thanks for the heads up
[04:36] <Shadow__X> hmm i uninstalled it loged out of my ssh session and logged back in but the mythtv section of my motd is still missing
[04:45] <markl_> ugh still can't get VIDEO_TS to play even after deleting the storage groups
[04:51] <rhpot1991> markl_: extracting an iso now to test it
[04:52] <markl_> nfs is doing its usual nonsense too, hmm
[05:06] <markl_> ok got it
[05:06] <markl_> i didn't properly delete the videos storage group
[05:10] <markl_> combined with the metallurgy theme sucking
[05:10] <markl_> ok this is great
[05:12] <markl_> libdvdnav: chapter NOT FOUND!
[05:21] <Hilikus> did anyone else lose mythtv-backend after upgrading from 9.04 to 9.10?
[05:26] <rhpot1991> markl_: just did a test, if you follow the link that I told you before your VIDEO_TS movies will work fine
[05:27] <rhpot1991> I'll update that page to include that
[05:28] <mrand> Hilikus: might make sure mythtv-backend-master is installed.
[05:28] <Hilikus> mrand: its not
[05:29] <Hilikus> ive updated since feisty with no problems but this time the backend was just dropped
[05:29] <Hilikus> did i do something wrong in the update
[05:30] <mrand> Hilikus: not that I know of.  On one of my upgrades I saw that, but don't remember off the top of my head if i figured out why it got dropped.    Anyway,  I believe just adding -master back should fix it.
[05:31] <rhpot1991> !iso | markl_
[05:31] <Zinn> markl_: Storage Groups are a streaming method of transmitting material to a frontend, meaning they don't provide block-level access to the file in question. An ISO is a disk image, and requires block-level access. Upstream has a plan to simulate a block device across the network using NBD for 0.23. Until then you can use the following workaround: http://www.baablogic.net/drupal/node/7
[05:31] <Hilikus> whats the difference between backend and backend-master?
[05:32] <rhpot1991> Hilikus: master backend is your master backend, a regular backend can be a slave backend
[05:32] <Hilikus> oh i see
[05:32] <Hilikus> thanks
[05:32] <rhpot1991> you need one master backend, and may add additional backends to your network
[05:32] <rhpot1991> make sense?
[05:33] <Hilikus> totally
[05:33] <mrand> Hilikus: master includes mysql for database
[05:33] <mrand> Thanks rhpot1991
[05:33] <Hilikus> will i lose all my settings though??
[05:33] <mrand> typically not... the database should still be there
[05:33] <Hilikus> the DB is still there
[05:34] <mrand> reinstalling the executables won't overwrite the data
[05:37] <Hilikus> perfect
[05:37] <Hilikus> it's all there
[05:37] <Hilikus> thanks guys
[05:37] <mrand> you're welcome.  Have fun!
[05:38] <Hilikus> what WM do you guys recommend that will work well with myth and has a small memory footprint?
[05:43] <mrand> If you're feeling crazy, LXDE is gaining traction in the ubuntu world - but I'm not aware that anyone has tried it.  Gnome or xfce are the two most commonly used, but most any should work of course.  If you try a different one and find it working, please feel free to drop by and let people know here or in the forums.
[05:43] <mrand> (not aware that anyone has tried Myth on it) <- LXDE
[05:43] <Hilikus> well, ive used fluxbox for the last 2 years but i was wondering if there's a smaller one ;P
[05:44] <rhpot1991> xfce is a safe bet
[05:44] <Hilikus> i don't have much ram and i'm running a web server/mysql server in the backend as well
[05:44] <Hilikus> i read yesterday an article saying that xfce was not really using less memory than gnome
[05:46] <mrand> I haven't tried flipping back and forth... I probably should sometime.  I'd heard something similar to what you did.
[05:46] <Hilikus> have you guys tried ratpoison? i read its smaller than fluxbox
[05:48] <mrand> In general, I know people have used it, but I'm not aware that anyone here that has direct experience with it.
[05:48] <Hilikus> i might give that a try
[05:49] <mrand> Yeah, people are still using all of the ones that you've mentioned, even with VDPAU.  http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU
[05:50] <mrand> Maybe or maybe not on Ubuntu systems.
[05:51] <Hilikus> so what exactly is mythbuntu?? i just have ubuntu server with mythtv in it, how is this different ?
[05:52] <mrand> mythbuntu is simply a custom ubuntu build which auto-includes a limited number of packages (fewer than Ubuntu), and defaulting to xfce.  No functional difference, just less stuff installed, so closer to an appliance.  You can, of course, add whatever apps you want back in.
[05:53] <mrand> custom ubuntu distro I should say.  it isn't recompiled or anything.
[05:53] <Hilikus> oh i see
[05:54] <mrand> If you've got a ubuntu server setup and myth running on it, I'd probably follow the first rule: if it isn't broken, don't fix it. :-)
[05:57] <Hilikus> hehe
[05:58] <Hilikus> i'll probably do that
[05:58] <Hilikus> thanks alot for your help guys
[05:58] <Hilikus> gnight
[05:58] <mrand> night!
[07:05] <darthanubis> mythtv-frontend: Depends: libmyth-0.22-0 but it is not going to be installed
[07:05] <darthanubis> why?
[07:19] <MendoCino> Happy Hanucah Brothers
[07:24] <MendoCino> Jo reggelt dicsoseges testvereim
[07:24] <MendoCino> Jo reggelt dicsoseges testvereim
[15:37] <markl_> rhpot1991: sorry for the late response, but I am not using iso's
[15:38] <markl_> that page needs some updates
[15:38] <markl_> it didn't work for me at all
[15:39] <markl_> deleting all storage groups (but default) is what did it
[16:54] <rhpot1991> darthanubis: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade may fix that
[16:55] <rhpot1991> markl_: no you don't need to delete the storage groups, you just need to make a new directory that lives outside of the storage groups and then park your ISO/VIDEO_TS files in that, then specify that directory as mentioned in the article
[16:55] <darthanubis> rhpot1991, thank you for your reply. I just added the auto builds repo and all was well imediately
[20:21] <cba123> I have some files on a samba share, that I can play fine with MPlayer from the command line, but I get a few frame drops when myth launches mplayer.  I use the same command in Myth settings that I use from the command line.  Any ideas?


[02:48] <corrinado[m]> @TauPan using the -d option? Correct?
[03:44] <drcce2001[m]> Excuse my ignorance but what is DL178?
[19:38] <cseder[m]> anyone here? Where can I download the pre-release .iso / .dmg images for Ubuntu Studio using Plasma5?
[19:38] <Eickmeyer[m]> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd/current
[19:39] <Eickmeyer[m]> Beware, cseder , it's unsupported, pre-alpha, and under constant flux.
[19:39] <cseder[m]> Danke schön
[19:39] <Eickmeyer[m]> Things will break.
[19:40] <cseder[m]> Eickmeyer (@eickmeyer:matrix.org): Just the way I like it
[19:40] <Eickmeyer[m]> hehe
[19:41] <cseder[m]> Eickmeyer (@eickmeyer:matrix.org): I've heard it's "nearly feature complete" but that might not be 100% correct?
[19:42] <Eickmeyer[m]> cseder: It's close, but things can change.
[19:42] <cseder[m]> Eickmeyer (@eickmeyer:matrix.org): as long as I get Jack up and running and Blender working I'm happy.
[19:42] <cseder[m]> not so hard to please
[19:43] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, that should work. I just wouldn't use it for daily use yet. Kubuntu 20.04 + Ubuntu Studio Installer is much safer in that regards, but feel free to have fun.
[19:44] <cseder[m]> Eickmeyer (@eickmeyer:matrix.org): Yeah, I tried the Kubuntu + Installer option, but it got kinda ... dunno ... messed up
[19:44] <Eickmeyer[m]> Well, you don't convert it to Ubuntu Studio in that case, you just add the benefits of it.
[19:45] <cseder[m]> hmm not following
[19:47] <cseder[m]> Eickmeyer (@eickmeyer:matrix.org): what do you mean? I've tried installing Kubuntu, installed the "installer" package, went through some gui to choose components, rebooted and ... nahh
[19:48] <Eickmeyer[m]> That's odd. Installer doesn't magically make your system "Ubuntu Studio", it simply adds Ubuntu Studio configurations onto an existing install.
[19:49] <cseder[m]> But it should be said, I'm a systems administrator and a developer, not so well versed in using Linux for Multimedia production, Jack and all that
[19:50] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ok, FYI, nobody here has time to walk you through that stuff. I'd try Linux Audio Users (#freenode_#lau:matrix.org) or #freenode_#opensourcemusicians:matrix.org.
[19:50] <cseder[m]> And, I was in a bit of a hurry, so probably could have sorted it out, but...
[19:51] <cseder[m]> I'll give the daily build a go, see how it spins, if I get in trouble I'll try once more with a feeling
[19:51] <Eickmeyer[m]> Studio Controls and Carla are your friend.
[19:52] <cseder[m]> So I've heard


[06:33] <Kilos> o/
[06:51] <kbmonkey> hello o/
[08:24] <Kilos> kbmonkey welcome back
[08:25] <kbmonkey> thank you Kilos, how are you my friend?
[08:25] <Kilos> im ok ty and you?
[08:26] <Kilos> just spending lots of day time in the sun
[08:37] <kbmonkey> that is good to hear Kilos. I got back saturday, spent a month in Aus working there.
[08:37] <Kilos> great
[08:38] <Kilos> funny peeps with their noisy v8's
[09:19] <inetpro> goeimore
[09:22] <kbmonkey> more inetpro
[09:32] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[09:32] <Kilos> apie is terug
[11:47] <Kilos> power gone . will disappear soon
[14:24] <inetpro> any updates from CT on the weather?
[14:25] <inetpro> did you guys at least get a bit of rain?
[14:39] <MaNI> decent rain this side, wind massively overhyped we get stronger in gbay all the time
[14:40] <MaNI> I hear some stories of roofs ripped off in other parts of the cape though
[14:40] <chesedo> evening all
[14:41] <MaNI> 46mm so far here today (and I think another 16 or so last night)
[14:41] <MaNI> the real question of course is did any land up in the dams
[14:42] <paddatrapper> MaNI: lots of roofs ripped off and trees felled in city and southern suburbs. Worst winds we've had in a long time
[14:43] <paddatrapper> Apparently it hit the catchment areas nicely, including snow in some. So we'll have to see
[14:44] <MaNI> Think we are sheltered from wind in this direction. Usually it hits us harder than everyone else, but this was not the usual direction
[14:48] <MaNI> not done yet either, so there is that :)
[14:59] <inetpro> MaNI: gbay?
[15:01] <inetpro> is that Gansbaai?
[15:04] <inetpro> or I guess Gordons Bay
[15:08] <paddatrapper> should die down by about 4am
[15:08] <paddatrapper> inetpro: I read it as gordons bay
[15:10] <inetpro> paddatrapper: thanks
[15:10]  * inetpro clearly doesn't know the Cape
[15:12] <inetpro> but it's quite interesting how one area can be affected badly while another almost nothing
[15:12] <inetpro> nature still rules
[15:13] <paddatrapper> that's for sure, but I am really enjoying it (being safe and warm helps)
[15:58] <MaNI> gordons bay
[15:59] <MaNI> Cape has several mountain ranges, so weather varies greatly depending on which side of what mountain range you are on
[18:08] <smile> Hi guys
[18:16] <inetpro> Guten Abend smile
[18:17] <inetpro> lächelst du immer noch?
[18:20] <smile> inetpro: ja, leuk hé?
[18:20] <inetpro> haha, how are you doing?
[18:20] <smile> goed hoor, ik moest vandaag werken
[18:20] <smile> jij?
[18:22] <inetpro> alles goed, dankie
[18:23] <inetpro> what work did you have to do today smile?
[18:24] <smile> I had to investigate a weird bug, it was fixed but then it popped up again in another variety
[18:25] <smile> I pinpointed the issue to be a wrongly assigned variable and a variable missing assignment (for my job)
[18:25] <smile> and then we found probably the cause of tasks staying locked while the lock should have been released
[18:25] <smile> and I made a proof-of-concept fix for another bug
[18:26] <smile> I deployed it to our testing environment, but I still need to test it
[18:26] <smile> my development machine broke, so I bypass that for now
[18:27] <smile> but my computer mouse broke in the middle of that all, so I went home by 13:00 to work from there
[18:27] <smile> with another computer mouse
[19:06] <inetpro> yikes!


[01:03] <MaynardWaters> hey guys, what is an program which can read a midi file
[01:06] <len-dt> MaynardWaters, there is more than one kind of midi file.
[01:07] <len-dt> Hydrogen reads a midi file, qtractor does, rosegarden, PD, Musescore.
[01:08] <len-dt> I can't tell you if any of them will read your midi file :)
[01:14] <MaynardWaters> len-dt: so If I downloaded some random midi file from: http://www.classicalmidiconnection.com/midiplay/playmidi.shtml?midi/c2/befelis
[01:14] <MaynardWaters> and I wanted to use that and put it thorugh a synth, ...hummm
[01:16] <MaynardWaters> musescore crashed :(
[01:25] <MaynardWaters> when i go to the open selection in in Hydrogen it doesnt see any midi files
[01:50] <MaynardWaters> qtracktor also didnt have an option to open a midi file :(
[02:08] <MaynardWaters> bwhahah rosegarden, I thought you were going to betray me, but you did not
[02:20] <len-dt> MaynardWaters, I think you are talking about mid files. Those are more specific.
[02:22] <len-dt> All sequencers have a file that stores midi info in them, but I think a lot of the apps I listed have their own format.
[02:35] <len-dt> pykaraoke says it handles *.mid files too. and Muse is another. aplaymidi (part of the alsa package) says it does too.
[03:15] <studio-user766> yep
[12:52] <MaynardWaters> len-dt I was able to sometimes get rosegarden to open up and play some of the random .midi files I found on the interwebbies
[13:01] <len-dt> Good to know.


[00:20] <bluesabre> Unit193: 8:30 PM Wednesday?
[01:16] <Unit193> bluesabre: I think 8 might be a bit better, but yep I can do that!
[07:59] <Unit193> bluesabre: Oh, can I sync -session?
[07:59] <Unit193> ...Or was it settings?
[22:51] <Unit193> Does anyone here use xfdashboard and can test the new version?


[05:33] <Sarvatt> mlankhorst: yeah I don't see me waking up in 2.5 hours for the sessions :( hope they are recorded.
[07:17] <mlankhorst> Sarvatt: like I said just don't stop your gaming session early ;)
[09:53] <udsslayer> RAOF: ping
[09:59] <udsslayer> RAOF: could we meetup somewhere ?
[11:25] <RAOF_> udsslayer: You were pinging me?
[13:23] <mlankhorst> weee
[13:23] <mlankhorst> that almost worked
[13:23] <udsslayer> RAOF: heh, yeah, are you free at 4?
[13:26] <RAOF_> udsslayer: It turns out that you've picked my only free slot :)
[13:26] <udsslayer> yay
[13:27] <udsslayer> will ping you at 4 with a room :)
[14:49] <udsslayer> RAOF: meet near B3 M4 ?
[14:55] <RAOF_> udsslayer: Sure. This session's still has a couple of minutes in it.
[14:57] <udsslayer> RAOF: ofcourse :)
[15:15] <RAOF_> udsslayer: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+queue
[15:49] <udsslayer> RAOF: holy shit
[15:49] <udsslayer> RAOF: 1 GB files
[15:50]  * udsslayer tries putting on smb
[15:50] <tjaalton> apitrace binaries?
[15:50] <tjaalton> hope not :)
[15:50] <udsslayer> yeah
[15:51] <tjaalton> really? sheesh..
[15:51] <udsslayer> we're trying to debug kwin + mesa9 bug :P
[15:51] <tjaalton> oh that
[15:57] <udsslayer> RAOF: or let me know where you are and I'll give you the files :)
[15:57] <tjaalton> ahh the trace files are huge? makes more sense now :)
[15:58]  * tjaalton shuts up
[15:58] <udsslayer> heh :P
[16:00] <udsslayer> RAOF: meetup at the closing plenary?
[16:05] <udsslayer> well ... I ran apitrace diff betweeen the old and new traces : http://paste.kde.org/587888
[16:42] <RAOF_> udsslayer: Could you try mesa 9.0 + 1e7776ca2bc59a6978d9b933d23852d47078dfa8?
[16:42] <udsslayer> is that the commit ID from kwin?
[16:43] <udsslayer> I can only have a look once I am in London, not before that ....
[16:50] <udsslayer> ok ... doesnt look like its a kwin commit
[16:51] <RAOF_> udsslayer: It's a mesa commit.
[16:51] <udsslayer> I ... get to compile mesa .... thanks :P
[16:52] <RAOF_> I can build you a package if you like :)
[16:52] <udsslayer> nah, will have a look myself on Friday ;)
[17:51] <hyperair> hmmm i915's rc6pp residency (according to powertop) seems a lot higher with xorg-edgers, but it also gets these hard kernel hangs
[17:51] <hyperair> even with semaphores disabled
[19:53] <LLStarks> ricotz, do you still have to use  CLUTTER_PAINT=disable-clipped-redraws:disable-culling to eliminate tearing on sandybridge?
[19:53] <LLStarks> i'm still finding it necessary with gnome-shell
[21:41]  * mlankhorst looks if internet's finest newssource has written anything recently
[21:42] <mlankhorst> oh just reporting on stuff we were going to do anyway o.O
[22:11] <LLStarks> mlankhorst, phoronix is moronix
[22:11] <mlankhorst> LLStarks: indeed..
[22:13] <LLStarks> cited my spec tho lol
[22:13] <mlankhorst> :-)
[22:13] <mlankhorst> well just badly summarizing the streams must be tiring
[22:26] <LLStarks> one poster suggested that canonical and nvidia make pact over dma-buf
[22:26] <mlankhorst> yeah like I'm going to do anything involving a nda with nvidia..
[22:26] <mlankhorst> right
[22:27] <LLStarks> airlied called cox a troll and it seems that a majority are now supporting nvidia's rationale
[22:28] <mlankhorst> either way the patch should get rejected on the base that it was submitted wrongly
[22:28] <LLStarks> underhandedly or because changing the name doesn't matter?
[22:28] <mlankhorst> first one
[23:36] <bjsnider> wow, no love for phoronix
[23:37] <bjsnider> we're probably better off that there is a phoronix than we would be without it
[23:45] <tjaalton> bjsnider: what in particular?
[23:48] <bjsnider> well
[23:48] <bjsnider> gimme a while to think
[23:49] <bjsnider> i thought i had something there for a minute, but it's gone now


[10:32] <juliank> does this sound familiar to anyone? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1829735
[10:32] <juliank> The bug is like in a super wrong place
[10:57] <xnox> jamespage:  yes.
[11:43] <jamespage> xnox: ok I'll ping you when I have something
[11:43] <jamespage> thankyou
[13:59] <rbalint> ddstreet, do you plan uploading/sending an MP for LP: #1829347 ?
[13:59] <rbalint> ddstreet, it is the only test failing for me when running the autopkgtest locally for bionic
[14:00] <ddstreet> rbalint https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-support-team/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+git/systemd/+ref/next-e
[14:00] <ddstreet> there are other tests i'm fixing as well :)
[14:00] <ddstreet> i plan to upload next week
[14:00] <ddstreet> well, after your systemd uploads wraps up
[14:00] <ddstreet> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bugs?field.tag=ddstreet-next
[14:01] <ddstreet> rbalint you can run your ppa builds thru autopkgtest.ubuntu.com to look for other-arch failures, too
[14:04] <rbalint> ddstreet, regarding LP: #1829347 how about depending on linux-image-generic to pull in extra modules including scsi_debug?
[14:04] <rbalint> (with the autopkgtest)
[14:04] <ddstreet> sometimes you can't unload it
[14:05] <ddstreet> and linux-image-generic won't work for all systemd tests run via non-basic kernel triggers
[14:05] <rbalint> i see
[14:06] <ddstreet> i'm fixing the test failure; figuring out better ways to avoid skips should be separate
[19:00] <rbasak> !dmb-ping


[12:37] <jordi> soren: nod. I'll poke at that.
[01:35] <halcyonCorsair> hi, can anyone tell me how limits are dealt with in ubuntu/debian? (ie. limits.conf?)
[01:46] <pschulz01> halcyonCorsair: I don't have that file? Is that something that exisits in another distribution?
[01:47] <ajmitch> pschulz01: you probably do have it, at /etc/security/limits.conf
[01:47] <pschulz01> ajmitch: Ta.
[01:47] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: all i really want to do is increase the maximum number of open files, whats the best wat to do that?
[01:49] <ajmitch> you may be hitting a kernel limit as well
[01:49] <ajmitch> though unlikely
[01:49] <pschulz01> halcyonCorsair: You are 'probably' looking for something like what is set in /proc/sys/fs/file-max
[01:50] <ajmitch> pschulz01: that value is very high
[01:50] <ajmitch> having that many files open would be unusual
[01:50] <pschulz01> halcyonCorsair: Although.. the result of 'cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max' is 202982
[01:50] <pschulz01> ajmitch: yep.
[01:50] <ajmitch> ulimit -n would show 1024 usually
[01:50] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: pschulz01: i think the limit i'm looking at can be found via ulimit -n
[01:50] <halcyonCorsair> yeah...
[01:51] <ajmitch> using pam_limits?
[01:51] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: i'm pretty sure i need to increase that....as i mentioned, i'm trying to run bind9 over 1012 vlans...
[01:51] <ajmitch> sounds painful
[01:52] <pschulz01> halcyonCorsair: Looks like /etc/security/limits.conf is what you need.. this is what pam_limits uses.
[01:52] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: well....1012 vlans, each segregated, each needs dns *shrugs*
[01:53] <ajmitch> and pam_limits would need to be in /etc/pam.d/common-session, I presume you have that there
[01:54] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: i only have pam_unix.so and pam_foreground.so in common-session
[01:54] <ajmitch> ok, add it & try
[01:54] <ajmitch> though bind9 may itself have a limit on how many files it can open
[01:56] <ajmitch> and I have to run out in 5 minutes, sorry
[01:56] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: can i just add the line "pam_limits.so" to the end of common-session?
[01:56] <ajmitch> 'session required pam_limits.so'
[01:57] <ajmitch> order is important, so it may need to go near the top
[01:57] <ajmitch> however I don't know how this will get used with a daemon like bind9
[01:58] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: http://rafb.net/p/M9xUdJ51.html
[01:58] <halcyonCorsair> that was what i was getting
[02:00] <pschulz01> halcyonCorsair: My setup shows 'pam_limits.so' entries in pam.d in cron,ssh,login,su...
[02:01] <ajmitch> damn, have to leave
[02:01] <ajmitch> back later
[02:01] <halcyonCorsair> alright, i'll soldier on :) see what i can come up with
[02:01] <pschulz01> halcyonCorsair: Are you convinced that it's 'number of files' problem?
[02:02] <Nafallo> lalala
[02:02] <pschulz01> Nafallo: Howdy babe.
[02:03] <Nafallo> hehe. hi :-)
[02:03] <halcyonCorsair> pschulz01: not convinced, but its my best lead at the moment
[02:04] <pschulz01> halcyonCorsair: Other than googling for the error.. If you can start up bind with 'strace' you should be able to find the exact call that fails.
[02:04] <Nafallo> oh!
[02:04] <Nafallo> I forgot to move a cable :-)
[02:06] <Nafallo> good thing I got access til 7 in the morning :-)
[02:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi all
[02:08] <pschulz01> Kamping_Kaiser: Morning.
[02:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> pschulz01, morning. hows it going?
[02:09] <pschulz01> Nafallo has already sang the 'good-morning' babe song.
[02:09] <pschulz01> Kamping_Kaiser: Working on some requirements documentation :-)
[02:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0
[02:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> pschulz01, fun fun.
[02:10] <pschulz01> Kamping_Kaiser: You'll see it shortly :-)
[02:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> abotu to start typing notes again  (and multitasking with irc, so bad look)
[02:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> pschulz01, that sounds rather hopeful :)
[02:10] <pschulz01> Kamping_Kaiser: Where there's life there's hope.
[02:11] <pschulz01> Kamping_Kaiser: What do you know about XSL/XSLT ?
[02:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> pschulz01, how very philosphical... just wish i could agree atm - i'm about to commit myself to another day of typing... RSI anyone?
[02:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> pschulz01, i've heard of themb efore
[02:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> they sound fairly familiar
[02:12] <pschulz01> Kamping_Kaiser: I'm moving all my 'user' details into an XML format. The plan is that that will help with the migration.
[02:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah... then i've probably heard them in relation to docbook
[02:14] <pschulz01> Kamping_Kaiser: I'll leave you to it.
[02:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> pschulz01, i'm looking at irc now and then, if i dont reply, i'm typing elseware :)
[02:46] <halcyonCorsair> pschulz01: does this mean anything to you? http://rafb.net/p/GBvKm991.html
[02:47] <pschulz01> halcyonCorsair: You live in NZ
[02:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[02:48] <halcyonCorsair> halcyonCorsair: yes?
[02:48] <halcyonCorsair> pschulz01: the strace....anything there?
[02:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> rofl
[02:48] <halcyonCorsair> oops
[02:50] <pschulz01> halcyonCorsair: Can yuo run it again with the 'include children' option? (-f I think)
[02:51] <pschulz01> halcyonCorsair: What I want to see is the print call that produces the error that you are seeing... then we can work back from there.
[02:52] <halcyonCorsair> pschulz01: eek, its 1.3M
[02:53] <pschulz01> halcyonCorsair: tail -n 200
[02:53] <pschulz01> halcyonCorsair: With maybe a grep.
[02:54] <halcyonCorsair> i won't get to see it print the error in there i don't think, will I/
[02:59] <ajmitch> grep helps
[03:01] <Kamping_Kaiser>  grep "string" -A15 -B15
[03:04] <halcyonCorsair> i think this is the relevant section for the first vlan that bind9 fails for:
[03:04] <halcyonCorsair> http://rafb.net/p/A9bKUz60.html
[03:04] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch, pschulz01: see anything interesting there?
[03:05] <ajmitch> you mean apart from the 'too many open files' bit?
[03:07] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: which would bring me back to trying to change the max open files limit, yes?
[03:09] <ajmitch> quite
[03:10] <halcyonCorsair> peachy
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[03:11] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: i'm running bind chrooted, so in my limits.conf file, i need: "bind hard nofile 4096" perhaps?
[03:12] <ajmitch> you can try it
[03:12] <halcyonCorsair> i love the confidence :)
[03:12] <ajmitch> not many people ask about having >1000 vlans in here :)
[03:14] <halcyonCorsair> well sure....they're just afraid to push the boundaries!  :P
[03:17] <Nafallo> ehrm
[03:17] <Nafallo> what would you need that for?
[03:19] <halcyonCorsair> Nafallo: a hotel with about 500 rooms, most of those needing two vlans with dhcp
[03:19] <halcyonCorsair> hmm, although potentially the second vlan in each room doesn't need dhcp.....
[03:19] <halcyonCorsair> but thats irrelevant
[03:21] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: i get a lot more of this now: socket: too many open file descriptors
[03:21] <halcyonCorsair> but i don't see a noticable difference
[03:23] <ajmitch> I wonder what would happen if you had multiple bind instances, just as a test
[03:24] <halcyonCorsair> how would you propose i do that?
[03:24] <ajmitch> you could do multiple chroots & start each individually
[03:25] <halcyonCorsair> an interface / subnet per instance?
[03:27] <ajmitch> that would end up with a lot of processes
[03:28] <ajmitch> try just splitting it in 2 for now
[03:32] <halcyonCorsair> hmm
[03:36] <ajmitch> I presume you're generating a list of interfaces to listen on?
[03:40] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: i'm not specifying the interfaces, no
[03:40] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: what i'm specifying is the subnets
[03:41] <ajmitch> either way
[03:41] <ajmitch> so you can split based on that
[03:41] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: http://rafb.net/p/smj01748.html
[03:42] <ajmitch> ok, that looks like dhcp to me
[03:42] <ajmitch> I'm meaning how you specify the bind configuration
[03:43] <halcyonCorsair> oh whoops
[03:43] <halcyonCorsair> hmm, now that you mention it....
[03:48] <halcyonCorsair> come to think of it, i've been thinking bind and looking at dhcp....
[03:48] <halcyonCorsair> i don't do anything to specify interfaces or anything for bind....
[03:50] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: any idea on where i should begin?
[03:50] <ajmitch> probably something to look at then
[03:50] <ajmitch> how are you starting it chrooted?
[03:50] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: yes
[03:51] <halcyonCorsair> also, where can i check whether the packager compiled it multithreaded?
[03:51] <ajmitch> I asked how
[03:51] <ajmitch> apt-get source bind9, see debian/rules
[03:53] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: as per: http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu704_p4
[03:56] <ajmitch> ok, interesting
[03:57] <ajmitch> so you could probably hack up the initscripts & create a new chroot, etc
[03:57] <ajmitch> if you wanted to try it out that way
[03:57] <ajmitch> I'd prefer to solve the open file descriptors issue
[04:03] <halcyonCorsair> me too
[04:03] <halcyonCorsair> but what i'm trying is coming up empty
[04:04] <halcyonCorsair> using /etc/security/limits.conf to up the hard and soft nofiles limit
[04:04] <halcyonCorsair> upping /proc/sys/fs/file-max
[04:04] <halcyonCorsair> and still no change
[04:05] <ajmitch> most likely a hard limit in bind9 itself, at compile time
[04:06] <ajmitch> since I've seen references to things like mangling headers to get a single process to use > 1024 open file descriptors
[04:06] <ajmitch> eg FD_SETSIZE in /usr/include/linux/posix_types.h
[04:08] <halcyonCorsair> are you saying i'll need to change that and recompile?
[04:08] <ajmitch> I'm saying that I've seen that recommended, yes
[04:09] <ajmitch> I don't know if it'll work or if it's a good idea
[04:10] <ajmitch> sure
[04:34] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: can i be sure its getting FD_SETSIZE from there?
[04:35] <ajmitch> nope
[04:35] <ajmitch> bits/typesizes.h:#define        __FD_SETSIZE            1024
[04:35] <ajmitch> it's also in 1 or 2 other places
[04:36] <ajmitch> it'd be a really ugly hack if you have to do it this way
[04:40] <KurtKraut> How can I know how many kbytes a process is occupying in RAM ?
[04:40] <halcyonCorsair> there is a lib/bind/include/fd_setsize.h in the bind source, but it says:
[04:40] <halcyonCorsair> * If you need a bigger FD_SETSIZE, this is NOT the place to set it.
[04:40] <halcyonCorsair>  * This file is a fallback for BIND ports which don't specify their own.
[05:19] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: unless you have another suggestion, short of trying another dns server, its all i got
[05:21] <ajmitch> you've tried it, I presume?
[05:22] <halcyonCorsair> another dns server?
[05:22] <halcyonCorsair> or the FD_SETSIZE?
[05:22] <ajmitch> no, changing the header & recompiling bind9
[05:22] <ajmitch> it should only take a few minutes to verify
[05:22] <halcyonCorsair> oh, i'm about to do that now
[05:23] <ajmitch> doing it in a chroot may be wise
[05:23] <ajmitch> you know the general procedures for building debian packages, right?
[05:23] <halcyonCorsair> i've changed typesizes.h & posix_types.h
[05:23] <halcyonCorsair> i haven't done it in about 2 or 3 years, since i last used debian, so not really....a howto of some kind or something would be handy here
[05:24] <ajmitch> generally just apt-get install build-essential, apt-get build-dep bind9, apt-get source bind9, then go into the dir & debuild
[05:24] <ajmitch> (you probably want devscripts as well)
[05:25] <ajmitch> changing the version number in debian/changelog could be a good idea to avoid the package getting clobbered on upgrade
[05:25] <ajmitch> but then you're on your own for further updates
[05:26] <halcyonCorsair> right
[05:36] <halcyonCorsair> building now
[05:48] <halcyonCorsair> whats the easiest way to install all my new packages?
[05:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> dpkg -i?
[05:48] <halcyonCorsair> ah dpkg -i *.deb did the trick
[05:48] <halcyonCorsair> i wasn't sure if it would figure out the deps properly
[05:48] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: success
[05:49] <halcyonCorsair> how depressing
[05:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe. have to rebuild bind?
[05:50] <ajmitch> halcyonCorsair: I was afraid of that
[05:50] <ajmitch> Kamping_Kaiser: worse - rebuilding bind after modifying headers in /usr/include
[05:50] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: do you have the bind9 source at the moment?
[05:51] <ajmitch> sure
[05:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> ajmitch, ew
[05:58] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: look at lib/isc/unix/resource.c and search for FD_SETSIZE
[05:59] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: there is a big comment starting with "The BIND 8 documentation reports:"
[05:59] <ajmitch> hm
[06:03] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: postfix and squid both seem to hack around this, but i guess bind hasn't had enough problems for people to care
[06:04] <ajmitch> bind tends not to need to open thousands of file descriptors at the same time
[06:07] <halcyonCorsair> *shrugs*
[06:07] <ajmitch> most people tend not to have quite that many interfaces, for some reason
[06:07] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: it used to be a problem with an older design, particularly on windows, and they've obviously taken note of it
[06:08] <ajmitch> or they'd run bind on 1 ip address & rely on something like iptables or routing to redirect packets :)
[06:08] <halcyonCorsair> potentially that might be smarter :)
[06:10] <ajmitch> it may save you headaches in the long run
[06:19] <lamont> why does someone want BIND to have that many open files?
[06:20] <ajmitch> 11:52 < halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: well....1012 vlans, each segregated, each needs dns *shrugs*
[06:20] <ajmitch> moderate levels of insanity
[06:21] <halcyonCorsair> i didn't design the system....just trying to get it to work
[06:21] <lamont> and they can talk to BIND on an off-subnet IP, no?
[06:21] <halcyonCorsair> lamont: they're not meant to be able to no
[06:21] <lamont> multiple BIND instances comes to mind, or just have bind listen on A.B.C.D and have everyone talk to that IP
[06:21] <ajmitch> both of those suggestions have come up today
[06:21] <lamont> put the DNS server in it's own DMZ, which forces accessability from each vlan
[06:22] <halcyonCorsair> sometimes i really don't step back enough to see that fixing the current way the system works is stupid, and i should update the method
[06:22] <lamont> beyond that, you're talking making changes to bind9 that probably don't want to be in the stock distro for ubuntu (or debian, or anywhere, for that matter) --> support costs
[06:23] <halcyonCorsair> lamont: yeah
[06:24] <lamont> ergo, I'd be inclined to make it listen on 1 IP, and have 1012 views if I need to keep everything that separate...
[06:28] <halcyonCorsair> i'll probably just allow each vlan back to the main IP of that interface for DNS
[09:16] <dezmaeth> hi, im having a problem, i installed a new network card, and now , any of my network cards are working, i did /etc/init.d/networking restart , but nothing , none gets ip
[02:34] <nandemonai> Hey guys, general nfs question.. If I have machine A mounting from machine B and machine B is rebooted or shutdown.. Will it umount on machine A safely?
[02:40] <ICU> no
[02:41] <soren> nandemonai: No. Any attempt to access the share will hang until the machine is back up.
[02:42] <nandemonai> soren, Hmm ok.. by hang you mean time out or will it cause real issues?
[02:43] <soren> nandemonai: Depends on how it was mounted. It might hang indefinetely.
[02:44] <soren> nandemonai: I've heard stories about nfs server going down due to hardware issues, being sent to the manufacturer for repairs, coming back, getting turned back on, and then all of the clients just continued where they left off.
[02:44] <nandemonai> soren, Mounted via a term, sudo mount yadda yadda. It's just I have a share from my desktop to the server and wondered about if I need to shutdown or whatnot.
[02:44] <nandemonai> soren,  Heh that's pretty impressive.
[02:45] <soren> nandemonai: If you're just rebooting the server, everything should be fine.
[02:45] <nandemonai> soren, I guess if I need to shutdown for a period of time I should just umount server-side.
[02:46] <nandemonai> soren, Server will be up fulltime, it's the fact it has a mount coming from my desktop I want to share that's the issue. I don't want to have to keep the desktop up fulltime also.
[02:47] <soren> nandemonai: You can just leave it as is. If you try to read from it, it just won't return until the share is available.
[02:48] <nandemonai> soren, Okie doke. It's not like it's a corporate environment or anything, just didn't want the server to die if one of my roomies tries to access the share and it's not up my end.
[02:48] <nandemonai> soren, Thanks for the info ;)
[02:49] <soren> nandemonai: Any time
[03:11] <kurosaki> soren, Umm, hate to be a nag, but I went ahead and rebooted the desktop and now even though it's back up I'm getting: Stale NFS file handle trying to access the share on the server.
[03:13] <mralphabet> kurosaki=nandemonai?
[03:13] <kurosaki> oh yeah.. sry
[03:14] <soren> kurosaki: Could you pastebin the output of /proc/mounts, please?
[03:14] <ivoks> hello
[03:14] <soren> Hi, ivoks!
[03:14] <nandemonai> I went ahead and umounted them and remounted so my proc wont be helpful right?
[03:15] <soren> nandemonai: Not really :)
[03:15] <nandemonai> ro,async,subtree_check
[03:15] <nandemonai> They look ok?
[03:20] <soren> nandemonai: Yeah, that looks sane.
[03:21] <nandemonai> soren, That's what I thought. Oh well no biggie. I just have to remember to umount if I'm going to shutdown for a bit.
[03:21] <soren> nandemonai: http://sysunconfig.net/unixtips/stale_nfs.txt
[03:22] <soren> nandemonai: Do any of those apply, you think?
[03:22] <soren> nandemonai: What was shared?
[03:22] <soren> nandemonai: It really, really should work. You should not have to reboot
[03:22] <nandemonai> soren, Well it's shared to a www dir via nfs
[03:23] <soren> nandemonai: I'm more interested in where it's shared *from*.
[03:23] <nandemonai> soren, That all works primo just didn't seem to like the server(ie my desktop) rebooting.
[03:24] <nandemonai> soren, My desktop. Which I want to be able to shutdown on occasion. To local house 'server' ubuntu as well which is the client mounting from my machine.
[03:24] <soren> nandemonai: Sure, but which part of the filesystem?
[03:25] <nandemonai> soren, Just a dir with some data from my home dir.
[03:25] <soren> nandemonai: I'm trying to determine if it's plausible that might appear to disappear for nfs.
[03:25] <soren> nandemonai: Sounds odd. If you can provide simple steps to reproduce it, I'd appreciate it.
[03:26] <nandemonai> soren, Ok sure. I'll reboot my machine again and see if the share stales out again.
[03:30] <nandemonai> Well that would be right..
[03:31] <nandemonai> It's fine now.
[03:31] <nandemonai> Although, I didn't try and access it from another machine while it was down, which I did the previous time. I'll try that.
[03:42] <nandemonai> Okies that did it. Seems that rebooting the nfs-server (my desktop) and then trying to access the share on the nfs-client (home server) hangs when my machine is down which makes sence ;) Ok then bring the nfs-server back up and the shares are showing as mounted via df with - - - - and an ls of the mount point reads Stale NFS Handler again.
[03:43] <nandemonai> Err on the nfs client that is after my machine is back up.
[03:45] <nandemonai> Both running ubuntu 7,04 and up to date. The home server is 64bit if that makes a difference... Any other info you'd like soren?
[03:49] <nandemonai> soren, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35548/ is my /proc/mounts after this has occurred. Last two lines are the two stale mounts.
[03:52] <soren> nandemonai: nfs-kernel-server?
[03:52] <nandemonai> soren, Yes indeedy.
[03:53] <soren> nandemonai: Could you please file a bug about it?
[03:54] <nandemonai> soren, Sure, will do.
[03:54] <soren> nandemonai: Thanks very much.
[03:54] <nandemonai> soren, So expected behaviour is that it should resume nicely once the server is back up right?
[03:54] <soren> nandemonai: IMO, yes.
[03:54] <nandemonai> soren, Okies.
[05:25] <raky> i've just finished a long trial with centos 5.  too many things missing for what i'm doing.  is ubuntu server 7.04 good-to-go, or should i revert to 6.10 or 6.06 server?
[05:26] <mralphabet> raky: it depends on what your requirements are
[05:26] <mralphabet> raky: do you need certain versions of packages?
[05:26] <raky> i just want to do a pxe-install and use Xen or VMware
[05:27] <mralphabet> vmware works out of 6.06 and 6.10, I am using it on 7.04 atm (though at the time I installed, it was unsupported)
[05:28] <mralphabet> for xen I would suggest 7.04
[05:28] <mralphabet> I am sure vmware is working out of the box now
[05:29] <raky> so i saw a few tweaks for VMware in 7.04.  where they as small as i saw - only like fixing 5 or so lines with command line?
[05:30] <mralphabet> I did it ~4 months ago and at the time it was less then 2 minutes to do it
[05:30] <raky> great, thanks
[05:31] <raky> and what OSs have you made into VMs?
[05:31] <mralphabet> 2003 server, xp, vista
[05:31] <raky> sweet
[05:31] <raky> i'll just need to virt. some other linux distros
[05:31] <mralphabet> should work great
[05:32] <raky> thanks, mralphabet
[05:34] <mralphabet> np
[06:08] <osmosis> anyone using Xen ?
[06:08] <osmosis> I wanted to know how it is.
[06:35] <raky> I'm gonna choose a gui for Xen in a few days, there are several to choose from.
[06:36] <raky> osmosis, xen has a lot more variables to choose from than vmware.  and virtualization techniques are a little diff between the two.
[06:42] <raky> oh, and see ##xen for more details, osmosis
[07:35] <osmosis> raky: okay cool
[07:44] <raky> i have hardware RAID 5.  is install ubuntu to hdd diff from install to first hdd on the first prompt?
[07:47] <mralphabet> raky: should be fine, software raid is troublesome, however
[08:48] <dho_ragus> raky: i've had some issues with hardware raid and found solutions for all of them.  i don't understand what you're asking though.
[08:49] <raky> i just wondered if the install process was diff for first hdd versus install on hdd, dho_ragus
[08:49] <raky> everything looks like its working now, dho_ragus , but i'm curious about alternatives
[08:52] <raky> why is the new server image upgrade offereing not authenticated?  whta's the deal?
[08:54] <raky> if i'm going to run vmware, will i need this?  i know support has been increasing lately, so it may be good for that
[09:03] <mralphabet> 13:49 < raky> why is the new server image upgrade offereing not authenticated?  whta's the deal?
[09:03] <mralphabet> what?
[09:04] <raky> it may be a eth0/1 problem, i'm looking at my connection
[09:05] <raky> i feared this, this connection thing is a problem, i have to work with the gui, maybe/maybe not
[09:06] <mralphabet> this connection thing?
[09:07] <raky> network settings
[09:07] <raky> ok, i see, confused eth0 and eth1
[09:08] <raky> n/m, good-to-go, but about the authentication, mralphabet i'm checking it again
[09:09] <raky> yeah, the linux-server-image 2.6.20-16-server is not authenticated, mralphabet
[09:10] <raky> i didn't expect server images to be not authenticated, and wonder why
[09:11] <raky> i'm in no hurry now, i'll be back around 11 or 12 PM, or tomorrow morning.
[09:11] <mralphabet> interesting
[09:12] <mralphabet> I didn't have anything like that come up
[09:12] <raky> hmm.  well, later, ttyl
[10:37] <WaVeR> Hello
[11:05] <Yahooadam> do you have a problem WaVeR - or just saying hi ?
[11:05] <kraut> i have a problem with your plenking!
[11:06] <Yahooadam> ... ?
[11:06] <kraut> aaaaaaah!
[11:06] <kraut> stop it!
[11:06] <WaVeR> Yahooadam>  Just saying hi, and I try to offer my help.
[11:07] <kraut> WaVeR: please help Yahooadam to stop plenking ;)
[11:07] <WaVeR> I just join the Ubuntu-server team so I'm here to see ^^
[11:07] <WaVeR> I can't ^^
[11:07] <kraut> damn it
[11:08] <kraut> Yahooadam: please read this! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plenk
[11:08] <Yahooadam> wtf is plenking :S
[11:08] <Yahooadam> ah
[11:08] <Yahooadam> ./shrug
[11:08] <Yahooadam> its teh interwebs, who cares about the space between punctuation :p
[11:08] <kraut> is this plenking? <- no
[11:08] <kraut> is this plenking ? <- yes
[11:09] <kraut> web2.0 doesn't support plenking!
[11:09] <Yahooadam> it so does !
[11:09] <WaVeR> LoL
[11:09] <Yahooadam> see :p
[11:09] <kraut> GAH ! ! ! 1 1 one eleven
[11:09] <kraut> that was prell-plenking :P
[11:10] <mathiaz> WaVeR: did you apply for membership on launchpad ?
[11:11] <kraut> i did and i am still waiting for replies :/
[11:11] <WaVeR> Yes mathiaz
[11:11] <WaVeR> And I think you approve me
[11:11] <mathiaz> WaVeR: ah ok. I tought you said you can't join the Ubuntu-server team.
[11:13] <WaVeR>  I try to know how can I help. Now I'm looking the Ubuntu-server wiki page
[11:16] <ajmitch> morning
[11:19] <ajmitch> mathiaz: just wrote to the MC list for you
[11:20] <mathiaz> ajmitch: hi. I've seen it. Thanks for your support.
[11:20] <ajmitch> np
[11:23] <mathiaz> WaVeR: great. Let me know if it's confusing.
[11:24] <mathiaz> WaVeR: or if you have any question
[11:25] <WaVeR> Thanks for your support mathiaz. I will inform you if I have trouble
[11:25] <Yahooadam> plenked ?
[11:25] <Yahooadam> :p
[12:19] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: ping
[12:20] <ajmitch> hello
[12:22] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: so now that i know that changing FD_SETSIZE works, and is horrible
[12:22] <ajmitch> heh
[12:22] <halcyonCorsair> how do i get rid of the packages I created and revert back to the official version?
[12:22] <ajmitch> you could remove & reinstall, or try apt-get --reinstall
[12:23] <ajmitch> the latter is preferable


[01:22] <frenchy> Are translations still busted?  I thought that "delayed" meant they were just slow it sending emails.  I've been waiting a week.
[03:37] <somerville32> Are any lp admins around?
[03:50] <Hobbsee> no
[03:50] <Fujitsu> somerville32: Very probably not. Is it a particularly adminish task that you need performed?
[03:51]  * somerville32 nods.
[06:12] <Sonja> how do i view the text to be trsanlated in its proper context?
[06:13] <Sonja> so i can know what it's used for and what ti really means
[09:59] <acuster> hey all, is there a way to change the email used for the login to an account? I've changed the "preferred email" but that seems to be something different.
[11:05] <ubotu> New bug: #178850 in malone "Bugtracker alioth.debian.org (SANE) not supported" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178850
[11:50] <soren> acuster: I
[11:50] <soren> acuster: I'm almost sure you can use whichever e-mail you like?
[11:51] <soren> acuster: I've just tested it, and I can log in with at least three different e-mail addresses.
[11:54] <acuster> oh, cool. I didn't think to *try*. Bad adrian.
[11:54] <acuster> thanks
[11:54] <soren> acuster: :)
[12:43] <``Cube> is here someone from the me tv project?
[13:00] <Ubulette> any luck to have the builders fixed anytime soon ?
[13:01] <Kmos> Ubulette: when buildd admins back from holidays
[13:03] <Ubulette> so will it stay broken for 1 more week or more ?
[13:03] <Kmos> i think so :(
[13:08] <Essope> it's surprising none of the sysadmins are on to fix it.
[13:25] <welterde> hi
[13:28] <welterde> someone from the vcs-imports crew here?
[13:37] <Kmos> Essope: i've already sent an irc private a message to one
[13:41] <Essope> Kmos: did it do anything?
[13:41] <Kmos> we must wait..
[14:21] <thefoxx> hello
[14:21] <thefoxx> whats up with the PPA build servers? In launchpad most of them are listed as "idle" but I'm waiting for my builds since more than 2 hours
[14:21] <Essope> thefoxx: /topic
[14:22] <thefoxx> sorry, thank you
[14:24] <thefoxx> but is there some reason for that? in the night all went correctly. it's not a drama but does anyone now whether  someone is working on it?
[14:24] <Essope> no one is working on it
[14:25] <Essope> those who can fix it are on leave, due to christmas
[14:26] <thefoxx> okay, understandable
[14:26] <ddaa> what's the problem?
[14:26] <Essope> ddaa: chroot problems
[14:27] <Essope> ddaa: libc6 having trouble installing on the buildds, iirc
[14:27] <ddaa> oh, sorry, can't help with that
[14:27] <Essope> no
[14:27] <thefoxx> no thats not my problem
[14:27] <thefoxx> I had chroot problem with hardy but not with gutsy
[14:27] <thefoxx> my gutsy packages don't start building this time
[14:27] <Essope> gutsy should be working...
[14:27] <thefoxx> "Pending (1025)"
[14:28] <thefoxx> one moment I try with another PPA
[14:29]  * Essope suspects queuebuilder fell over, with all the failed builds.
[14:30] <Essope> thefoxx: on all arches?
[14:31] <thefoxx> yes
[14:32] <thefoxx> and with the broken hardy builds I tryed the retry function but now it's the same: no chroot problem - simply no start
[17:55] <ubotu> New bug: #178913 in launchpad-bazaar "My branch has stopped being mirrored" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178913
[22:03] <mtaylor> any launchpad admins around?
[22:04] <mtaylor> I just uloaded packages to a ppa with the wrong version numbering
[22:04] <mtaylor> and it would be really great if I could get them deleted so that I can re-upload?
[22:07] <mtaylor> it's the sphinx-search-<IP_ADDRESS>5 packages in ~pkg-sphinx
[22:07] <mtaylor> they _should_ have been 0.9.8-1~svn985
[22:23] <mtaylor> ok... nevermind... it got rejected anyway
[22:23] <mtaylor> however - I am out of space in a PPA...
[22:24] <mtaylor> I'd be happy to prune some stuff to reclaim that space, but that doesn't seem to be an option...


[00:14] <pleia2> wxl: thanks :)
[00:14] <wxl> np, pleia2 :)
[08:51] <davidcalle> Morning o/
[09:56] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:56] <czajkowski> davidcalle: https://twitter.com/Czajkowski/status/662204831331983364
[09:56] <czajkowski> they do in fact exist :p
[09:58] <davidcalle> czajkowski, pains au chocolat! Fresh out of the oven? Do you *really* want me to hate you? :p
[09:59] <czajkowski> *nyom* nyom* sorry what did you say *nyom*
[10:02] <davidcalle> czajkowski, I hope they still have a lava-temperature chocolate core. :p
[10:03] <czajkowski> melting in the mouth :)
[12:03]  * dholbach relocates to the office, brb
[12:30] <dpm> dholbach, mhall119, davidcalle, popey, balloons, I'll be afk for ~1h, but back in time for the start. Could you promote the last day on the main Ubuntu social accounts?
[12:30] <dpm> balloons, all set for the closing plenaries? Plenary scheduled in summit too?
[13:18] <balloons> I guess we need a session for that and slap it in there
[13:20] <balloons> We need someone around at 1500 for the mycroft session. davidcalle and i will both be occupied
[13:42] <balloons> czajkowski or hggdh going to be around ?
[13:47]  * dholbach won't be available :-/
[13:49]  * davidcalle relocates home for UOS*, brb
[13:50] <dpm> thanks balloons
[13:55] <czajkowski> balloons: sup
[13:56] <balloons> czajkowski, howdy. So in 1 hour, we're having a mycroft session on the track, but no one is around to help Ryan set it up and make sure everything goes ok. Will you be around to help?
[13:56] <czajkowski> balloons: aye can do what's needed, be on irc
[13:56] <czajkowski> or soemthing else ?
[13:56] <popey> balloons, i can do it
[13:57] <czajkowski> coolio
[13:57] <czajkowski> was going to attempt to silence bash and all :)
[13:58] <balloons> popey, thanks
[14:07] <balloons> mhall119, are you summarizing the convergence track?
[14:08] <balloons> mhall119, also if you have notes about UOS in general (how many people, # of sessions, etc), please add it to the track summaries document
[14:08] <mhall119> balloons: I will over lunch today, yes
[14:08] <balloons> mhall119, I mean you will present it as well right during the closing ceremonies?
[14:09] <mhall119> yes
[14:19] <jcastro> hey guys
[14:19] <jcastro> my summary will be shirt/tiny/list of urls
[14:19] <jcastro> all our stuff was like workshops and demos
[14:26] <czajkowski> I'd like a shirt too :)
[14:37] <jcastro> I will have shirts for fosdem. :D
[14:41] <jose> jcastro: GIMME
[14:54] <popey> balloons, mycroft ryan is all set
[14:54] <balloons> ack, thanks gaina
[14:55] <balloons> *again
[14:56] <popey> np
[15:13] <czajkowski> jcastro: I shall have to send you a tshirt so!
[15:14] <jcastro> are you coming?
[15:14] <jcastro> to fosdem I mean
[15:19] <czajkowski> yes
[15:19] <czajkowski> :D
[15:19] <czajkowski> I've missed it once in 10 years
[15:19] <czajkowski> and I was exceptionally sick last year!
[15:19] <czajkowski> never again!
[15:42] <dpm> balloons, I've prescheduled the track summary session as the Ubuntu On Air summit, updated ubuntuonair.com and the summit page. You should now be able to hit start as the G+ Ubuntu On Air user, and the presenters can join with the link in the summary doc
[15:43] <popey> nice!
[15:43] <balloons> woot
[15:43]  * balloons hugs daker
[15:43]  * balloons hugs dpm
[15:43]  * dpm hugs back :)
[15:44]  * daker hugs balloons too :p
[15:47] <balloons> hugs for everyone :-)
[15:48] <davidcalle> popey, can you help pstolowski for starting the Introduction to scopes session?
[15:49] <popey> uh, okay.
[15:49] <davidcalle> popey, or anyone else from your track :)
[15:49] <popey> nah, it's all good :)
[15:51] <czajkowski> mhall119: you're missing frm the CC channel
[15:52] <popey> done
[15:59] <balloons> mhall119, popey, davidcalle, dpm, dholbach not sure how many of you can / will join http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22622/future-plans-for-uos/, but https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYdVv1skwyyfr7QPHAg3Y7g_1Fu59XAPbHFZDRnpcXD0ycJUzg?hl=en&authuser=1
[15:59] <dholbach> in a session
[15:59] <dholbach> sorry
[15:59] <popey> i plan to
[15:59] <popey> but helping others atm
[15:59] <dpm> balloons, I'll join. I was actually going to start it, so good you did already :)
[15:59] <dpm> balloons, will join in a minute once I've sent this e-mail
[16:00] <mhall119> balloons: let me make sure my convergence session is running okay and I'll join
[16:02] <dpm> balloons, omw
[17:07] <dpm> hi daker, around?
[17:09] <daker> dpm: hi
[17:11] <dpm> daker, there's a session coming up that you might be interested in, for the API integration part on loco.ubuntu.com: "Meetup.com for LoCo teams"
[17:11] <dpm> in 50 mins at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22618/meetupcom-for-loco-teams
[17:11] <dpm> or on #ubuntu-uos-community if you're interested to join in
[17:11] <daker> dpm: i'll try to join the irc and follow the session
[17:12] <dpm> great
[17:29] <hggdh> sorry, life got in the way, and we have a few dr appointments from Monday on.
[17:39]  * dpm hugs hggdh
[17:43]  * dholbach hugs hggdh too
[17:47]  * hggdh hugs everybody (and get ready for one more dr appointment)
[18:25] <pleia2> is anyone interested in writing up a basic wrap up of the UOS for the newsletter? I'm imagining something like, link to mark's keynote, link to jane's Q&A, link to track summaries video and "here's where you can find the rest of the videos about $foo, $bar, etc"
[18:26] <mhall119> pleia2: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TVyB5jZDHbhVOzng_v9vuUZMYsuecd62ZEbS5K3RBJg/edit has most of the info, just needs to be edited/formatted
[18:26] <pleia2> mhall119: requested access
[18:27] <mhall119> pleia2: or maybe just link to http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/all/
[18:27] <wxl> well the newsletter does tend to be more textual :)
[18:27] <pleia2> mhall119: I was asking for someone to actually write this up :) I know how to find the links to all the things
[18:27] <pleia2> wxl: ++
[18:28] <pleia2> I don't really have time this week to do it justice
[18:28] <pleia2> and with no one blogging about summits anymore to give summaries, UWN has been very very lean on coverage these past couple years
[18:29] <popey> jcastro, does askubuntu still have that "make an advert for your thing, and it appears on the site" thing?
[18:29] <pleia2> so far all we have are a couple articles from softpedia and omgubuntu
[18:29] <mhall119> pleia2: where would somebody send such a writeup to get it on the newsletter?
[18:29] <pleia2> mhall119: the prep google doc http://bit.ly/vDkJyf
[18:29] <pleia2> I created a [18:30] <popey> found it http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/12379/community-promotion-ads-2015
[18:30] <mhall119> pleia2: I'll try and do that after the summary plenary, but I can't promise anything
[18:30] <pleia2> mhall119: thanks
[18:30] <mhall119> thank me if I do it :)
[18:32] <jcastro> popey: yeah gimme a minute to find it
[18:32] <jcastro> http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/12379/community-promotion-ads-2015
[18:32] <pleia2> hopefully someone can, would be a shame to let all the effort that goes into UOS go unreported to our community again
[18:32] <jcastro> popey: ^
[18:34] <popey> jcastro, does it reset on jan 1?
[18:38] <jcastro> popey: they usually do but like all you do is C&P the old one into the new one
[18:47] <popey> jcastro, and starts with all new adverts, so those at 32 votes can be usurped?
[18:49] <jcastro> it only needs 10 to make the rotation
[18:49] <jcastro> if you have 11 your ad isn't shown any less than the one with 50
[18:55] <popey> ahhh
[19:41] <balloons> so we should upboat popey's promo ad?
[19:41] <popey> not yet
[19:41] <popey> doesn't exist yet


[07:14] <dholbach> good morning
[07:31] <popey> Morning
[07:34] <dholbach> hey popey
[07:52] <czajkows1i> Aloha
[07:54] <popey> ooh, apparently we're sponsoring https://twitter.com/dconstruct/
[07:54] <popey> in brighton
[07:59]  * dholbach relocates to the office, brb
[08:02] <czajkowski> popey: lovely way to find out :) happens me as well, someone in the company sponsors something local to me and I'm not told!
[08:10] <czajkowski> popey: are you heading down to it ?
[08:11] <popey> not sure, probably not. need to figure out who is going, apparently we get 12 tickets
[08:11] <popey> I assume there's some recruitment going on there
[08:11] <czajkowski> nice sponsorship to get 12
[08:12] <czajkowski> popey: OMG Sam has gotten so big and grown up looking, not a baby any more
[08:12] <popey> yeah
[08:12] <popey> well, i assume 12 as that's what it says on their sponsor doc
[08:13] <czajkowski> nods
[08:13] <czajkowski> trying to see if our MObile advocate can go as he's local and based in Brighton
[08:13] <czajkowski> mum is over this weekend or I'd go down.
[08:14] <popey> I can't go on Saturday, Sophie's birthday. She's 12!
[08:14] <czajkowski> wow
[08:14] <czajkowski> a week apart in them
[08:14] <czajkowski> didn't know that :)
[08:14] <czajkowski> ah saturday I'm doing wedding dress shopping in London with mum. need to pick a dress and I cannot decide and need her to, plus she's yelling to be more involved
[08:19] <popey> heh
[08:22] <czajkowski> ifI have to buy an orange dress this would be a lot easier
[08:22] <czajkowski> done :)
[08:22] <czajkowski> white less so
[08:23] <dpm> morning all
[08:23] <dpm> welcome back popey!
[08:24] <popey> Ya! Long time no see!! :)
[08:30] <dpm> :-)
[12:25]  * popey hugs dholbach
[12:26]  * dholbach hugs popey back :)
[12:56] <davidcalle> dholbach, hello
[12:56] <davidcalle> dholbach, small fix for the 1transaction branch around l192 http://paste.ubuntu.com/12306992/
[12:57] <davidcalle> currently if you do page_resolver.get_page_queryset_from_path(self.docs_namespace)[0] on an empty db, it out-of-ranges
[12:59] <davidcalle> dholbach, other than that, that's a big +1 from me :)
[13:04] <dholbach> davidcalle, ok, I'll do a separate MP for that
[13:04] <dholbach> davidcalle, good fine
[13:04] <dholbach> ah no, you have it already fixed
[13:04] <dholbach> great :-)
[13:07] <dholbach> davidcalle, pushed
[13:08] <davidcalle> dholbach, \o/
[13:09] <davidcalle> dholbach, acked
[13:09] <dholbach> thanks! feel free to land :-D
[13:09] <dholbach> <3
[13:11] <davidcalle> dholbach, np
[13:21] <davidcalle> Landed
[13:46] <dholbach> yes!
[13:47] <dholbach> now let's see if it makes things work on staging again :)
[13:53] <dholbach> davidcalle, how did the branch work on your staging-like test system?
[13:53] <davidcalle> dholbach, fine :)
[13:54] <dholbach> <3
[14:01] <davidcalle> dholbach, dpm, popey, mhall119, I won't be able to join today's meeting, my cat is being picked up for repairs
[14:01]  * popey read that as "my cat is being pickled"
[14:01] <davidcalle> car* ! (cat is fine)
[14:03] <davidcalle> popey, that's tomorrow
[14:03] <popey> My bad
[14:03]  * popey notes "Tuesday is pussy pickling day"
[14:14] <czajkowski> popey: coming to devrel conf at the end of the month in london?
[14:15] <czajkowski> popey: you even know some of the speakers :) http://london-2015.devrel.net/
[14:18] <dholbach> popey, hey hey... do you have a link to the branch which has the libreoffice build thing for docviewer-app?
[14:19] <popey> czajkowski: :) maybe
[14:20] <popey> dholbach: eh?
[14:20] <dholbach> ah https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~verzegnassi-stefano/+junk/get-click-deps/files/head:/? :-)
[14:20] <popey> thats part of it
[14:20] <popey> thats the bit that pulls libs into a click
[14:20] <dholbach> ah ok
[14:21] <popey> what exactly you after?
[14:22] <dholbach> I was just chatting with dpm about it and how docviewer's build might be a nice test-case for snapcraft
[14:22] <popey> oh, we build lo in a ppa, and then pull that with the script above
[14:22] <popey> that script above will get integrated into the docviewer build
[14:23] <popey> so during docviewer build it yanks the debs, unpacks and stuffs the lib* in the docviewer directory for building
[14:23] <popey> I have done similar for filemanager
[14:23] <dholbach> nice
[14:23] <popey> https://code.launchpad.net/~popey/ubuntu-filemanager-app/add-click-deps/+merge/270287
[14:23] <popey> thats what I have been fighting this morning ;)
[14:23] <dholbach> thank you
[14:23] <popey> np
[14:23] <popey> I am not a cmake expert :)
[14:27] <czajkowski> popey: feel free to share inside the bluefinn
[14:27] <czajkowski> 1st time london conference could do with some support
[14:30] <popey> will do
[14:31] <czajkowski> Does anyone know if it's possible when scheduling hangouts on air in advance to use UTC as the prefered timezone?
[14:33] <popey> why would you do that?
[14:33] <popey> Surely you just set the time and it's set to whatever time it is where the person who set it is
[14:33] <popey> everyone else sees their own local time
[14:34] <czajkowski> popey: because we keep running into issues setting it
[14:34] <dpm> yeah, I think that's how it works, at least for the community team Q&A when I schedule a hangout it appears in my local time
[14:34] <czajkowski> and confusing different people - leading to much hair pulling :)
[14:35] <czajkowski> I was scheduling them my time and then it was resuling in the Us folks not having it right
[14:35] <czajkowski> pesky timezomesz
[14:35] <czajkowski> *timezones
[14:35] <czajkowski> perhaps as I log onto it via the company page ? and not my personal page
[14:36] <popey> yeah, i just set it to whatever time _I_ know it as, and it appears fine for everyone
[14:44] <czajkowski> ah smart
[14:55] <popey> WOOOO HOOOOO!
[14:56] <popey> My cmake stuff works
[15:00] <czajkowski> read that as cake
[15:00] <czajkowski> I really want some cake
[15:18] <popey> we have more birthday cake than we need
[15:24] <czajkowski> popey: well if you come on Wednesday - do te needful and bring some :D
[15:24] <czajkowski> always have a tea break and only so many knobs Dom can eat :)
[16:01] <dholbach> all right my friends
[16:01] <dholbach> I'm out for today
[16:01] <dholbach> see you tomorrow!


[16:12] <Mateo1> Hello
[16:12] <Mateo1> Does anyone know of any eq linear phase for ardour?
[16:14] <Mateo1> a linear phase eq is the only thing I need to work entirely on linux


[02:23] <tepsipakki> humm, I've merged syslinux-3.31
[02:46] <tepsipakki> ..but it doesn't build on feisty, ok with dapper :I
[03:17] <tepsipakki> hah, gentoo had a nossp-patch for that, so it's fine now
[08:37] <cjwatson> ~ # archdetect
[08:37] <cjwatson> i386/mac
[08:37] <cjwatson> woot
[08:50] <tepsipakki> yay
[08:50] <tepsipakki> pity that my boss hates macs, so no chance to get them
[11:40] <cjwatson> bugger, I'd forgotten that the BOOT_DEBUG=3 trick doesn't work if you have a USB keyboard
[11:40] <cjwatson> maybe I should rejig all that at some point to happen earlier
[11:42] <cjwatson> and no udevcontrol; can't think of a way to tweak the log priority by hand from sh, given that I have to talk to a UNIX-domain socket ...
[11:46] <cjwatson> oh well, bed