[15:41] <kcj> Morning.
[19:24] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:26] <ajmitch> morning
[19:29] <ibeardslee> oh kernel update .. be back in a bit
[22:21] <thumper> ok, stupid question time
[22:22] <thumper> as user tim on my system I have a PATH defined that includes some local bin directories
[22:22] <thumper> created an exec called "filetest" in one of these "~/go/bin" for those that are interested
[22:22] <thumper> sudo filetest fails with command not found
[22:22] <thumper> but yet
[22:22] <thumper> sudo echo $PATH shows the path as including it
[22:23] <thumper> so why doesn't sudo look in the PATH for the directories?
[22:23] <thumper> I think it is just looking in /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin
[22:23] <thumper> which is what I get if I do: 'sudo su -', 'echo $PATH'
[22:23] <ibeardslee> what happens with 'which filetest' ?
[22:24] <thumper> ibeardslee: locally? or with sudo?
[22:24] <ibeardslee> both
[22:24] <thumper> $ which filetest
[22:24] <thumper> /home/tim/go/bin/filetest
[22:24] <thumper> $ sudo which filetest
[22:24] <thumper> is empty
[22:24] <ajmitch_> because you're using sudo, and you don't have it set to keep PATH
[22:25] <ajmitch_> when you sudo echo $PATH it expands it before passing to sudo
[22:25] <thumper> ah
[22:25] <thumper> that makes sense
[22:26] <ajmitch_> Defaults        env_reset
[22:26] <ajmitch_> Defaults        secure_path="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin"
[22:26]  * thumper copies filetest to /usr/local/bin to continue testing
[22:26] <ajmitch_> you could change /etc/sudoers if you want, but that's messy :)
[22:26] <thumper> nah
[22:26] <thumper> doesn't matter for the testing I'm doing
[22:27] <thumper> I'm wanting to confirm some uid checks and hunting for a file
[22:28] <olly> morning
[22:29] <olly> thumper: to see the PATH inside sudo, you could try: sudo printenv|grep PATH
[22:30] <thumper> olly: oh, ta
[22:30] <thumper> is printenv like env?
[22:30] <thumper> same thing
[22:31] <olly> it gives your fingers more exercise
[22:31]  * olly didn't know env also printed the env - only used it as a shell-portable way to set variables for a command
[23:19] <ibeardslee> I notice that with all the X-Launchpad headers .. there isn't one that says what the bug number is
[23:21] <ajmitch_> ibeardslee: probably considered redundant since the bug # is in the subject
[23:22] <ibeardslee> I'm having some fail at managing to extract that in my .procmailrc
[23:22] <ibeardslee> would probably have just as much trouble if it was part of another header
[23:22] <ajmitch_> what are you wanting to do?
[23:23] <ibeardslee> filter bugs into separate folders per bug
[23:23] <ibeardslee> will evolution's search folders to deal with the other breakdowns as required
[23:23] <ajmitch_> sounds a bit like overkill, but that's because I have too many bugs to see :)
[23:24] <ibeardslee> could get overkill down the track, but I'll worry about it then
[23:27] <ajmitch_> I'm sure you could use a regular expression on the Subject: header to capture the bug # & use that
[23:27] <ibeardslee> yeap .. working on that .. actually using the reply-to header
[23:27] <ajmitch_> ok
[23:28] <ibeardslee> .. but failing
[23:28] <thumper> ibeardslee: we don't normally have people wanting to filter on individual bugs
[23:29] <thumper> that way lies insanity
[23:30] <thumper> subject prefix is always r"\[Bug (\d+)\]"
[23:31] <thumper> surely you can use regex
[23:31] <ibeardslee> I thought I had a vague idea from copying the one that I found for dealing to mailing lists
[23:35] <thumper> ibeardslee: although I agree about using the reply-to header, more likely to be consistent
[23:36] <thumper> as someone can change the subject of the email simply by using email with a different subject and emailing the bug
[23:37] <ibeardslee> but the reply-to header can be changed with someone emailing me privately
[23:38] <ajmitch_> why do you want separate folders per bug?
[23:38] <ajmitch_> I could understand a folder per package, perhaps
[23:38] <ibeardslee> I'm in the process of rethinking that
[23:39] <ibeardslee> although with OpenERP a bunch of bugs with the same project
[23:39] <ibeardslee> hmmm
[23:39] <ajmitch_> that's why mail clients have threading :)
[23:50]  * ibeardslee just moves all ^X-Launchpad-Bug: into the same folder while he ponders a bit more


[08:31] <ach1m> smspillaz, is there a chance that you could have a look at this bug → https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/770155
[08:38] <smspillaz> ach1m: sure, but not right now
[08:39] <smspillaz> ach1m: assign it to me if you want me to look at it, I'm going to be drawing up bug hit lists next week
[08:39] <ach1m> smspillaz, okay, I would be happy if this could be fixed for the next LTS :-)
[08:44] <ach1m> smspillaz, as it seems I can't assign you, but you can assign yourself to it, right?
[08:45] <ach1m> I think I have no permission to change the assignment.
[09:25] <ach1m> smspillaz, thx
[10:54] <andyrock> AlanBell, hi
[11:14] <AlanBell> hi
[12:39] <abandersnatch> So, will we get a list of apps in the next ubuntu update?
[13:07] <Andy80> Trevinho: hey!
[13:10] <abandersnatch> I'm going to probably say no
[13:25] <Trevinho> Hi Andy80
[13:48] <abandersnatch> im told you can run multiple instances of an application in ocelot. However, you do not have a proper menu
[13:48] <abandersnatch> Stop Trying To Copy The Iphone
[13:49] <abandersnatch> it does not work on desktops and it just looks cheap and crappy and it makes finding applications a hassle and a half
[13:50] <abandersnatch> no one, absolutely no one but the most self deluded individual in the world thinks this is a google idea
[13:50] <abandersnatch> its like running Android x86 on a desktop
[13:50] <abandersnatch> try it, its crappy. Because lists of icons do not work on a desktop. Even Google has said this. STOP DOING THIS!
[17:31] <htorque> hm, i need to 'make' unity two times, first time it fails like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/681300/
[17:35] <ephan> htorque, and it works the second time? Odd
[17:36] <htorque> ephan: yes, compiles fine the second time
[19:06] <Andy80> I'm trying to compile Unity-2d on Oneiric. Executing "cmake ." I get this error: package 'indicator' not found. Should not "sudo apt-get build-dep unity-2d" resolve all the deps?
[19:36] <Andy80> how can I disable the Unity-2d automatica restart?
[19:36] <Andy80> I've followed the instructions here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity2D
[19:36] <Andy80> but it doesn't work
[19:36] <Andy80> I need to disable it and kill it
[19:44] <fvalverd> Hi !
[19:45] <fvalverd> I wonder if someone knows how to change the gnome-terminal transparency level on unity
[20:05] <htorque> Andy80: if i kill panel and launcher at the same time it doesn't restart here ('killall unity-2d-launcher; killall unity-2d-panel')
[20:06] <Andy80> htorque: I fixed it killing with kill -9, thanks anyway :)


[02:00] <ChinnoDog> @crickets
[02:05] <InHisName> ChinnoDog: I made a new xubuntu 12.10 disk and booted live.   That one has tracker error too.
[02:08] <InHisName> Tried comparing   Network connections    between 2 machines.    The 'bad' machine has a 'Wired connection 1' defined, the good one had nothing defined.    So I made one, and tried bit transmission. Still works good on good machine.
[02:29] <ChinnoDog> the good one needs something defined or it has no network
[02:30] <ChinnoDog> I still think it is a networking error
[10:30] <rmg51> Morning
[12:53] <InHisName> Morning
[13:09] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples
[16:00] <ChinnoDog> Google is running so sloooow today.
[16:28] <rmg51> so am I
[19:21] <MutantTurkey> so I ordered the wrong module of ram by accident for my computer, and have 4 gigs of DDR3 -1333 PC3-10600
[19:21] <MutantTurkey> anyone want to trade for some 1066 PC3-8500?
[19:26] <JonathanD> all I have is more 10600
[19:39] <ChinnoDog> MutantTurkey: Is PC3-10600 the kind you have or the kind you need?
[19:46] <MutantTurkey> I have
[19:47] <MutantTurkey> the ram stick on my computer said 10600U but apparently the manual says 8500
[19:50] <ChinnoDog> MutantTurkey: I think you are confused. The naming of memory is really confusing nowadays. Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR3_SDRAM
[19:51] <ChinnoDog> Scroll down to JEDEC standard modules and see that PC3-8500 under module name corresponds to a standard name of DDR3-1066_
[19:52] <ChinnoDog> The RAM in your computer /is/ PC3-8500


[05:30] <mup> Bug #1733847 opened: same ip got assigned to two different container  <juju:New> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1733847>
[09:18] <PTO> Im trying to use MAAS on an IBM Bladecenter H, but im stuck at a strange error. Sometimes, when i PXE boot the server is stuck at a blank screen with a blinking "_" cursor.
[09:19] <PTO> I can see the DHCP negotiations in a tcpdump on the MAAS controller, but i seems like the syslinux is never downloaded and executed.
[09:19] <PTO> Any suggestions on how to fix this?
[10:34] <tosaraja_> Hi all! We got a situation that took some debugging, and just wanted to know if this sounds like a bug in MAAS or not. We have a bunch of rack servers with 2 NICs. In MAAS we've bonded them together as one. We deploy Ubuntu 17.04 hosts on these and run multiple KVM virtual machines on the host. Our situation was such that one of the servers had one of the ethernet ports disconnected. It had no physical wire going in to it. The symptom was packet
[10:34] <tosaraja_>  loss on one of the KVM virtual machines, but not on all of them. While running tshark on the host we found out that packages are not even there. That lead us to look at the NICs and realized that one was disconnected. When we removed the bounding in MAAS, the traffic went back to being OK. The funny part was that this didn't affect the traffic on the host itself, nor on all the KVM guests. Just this one (at least. Could be been more if we
[10:34] <tosaraja_> cloned more)
[10:34] <tosaraja_> and it was/is MAAS 2.2.2 we are using
[11:32] <bviktor_> anyone with experience in proxying maas with nginx?
[14:28] <torontoyes> mornign
[17:14] <vogelc_> roaksoax: can we restart a regiond worker?   maas-regiond-worker@1
[17:14] <vogelc_> its hung importing images but I cant restart the entire regiond service right now.
[17:26] <roaksoax> vogelc_: you can
[18:50] <torontoyes> In oreder for me to deploy windows 10 image with MAAS, I will need to create a sysprep image if I want unattended install, correct? Is that the only way?
[19:07] <mup> Bug #1711203 changed: Deployments fail when Secure Boot enabled <curtin:Invalid> <dellserver:New> <MAAS:Invalid> <maas-images:In Progress by ltrager> <grub2 (Ubuntu):Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1711203>
[20:20] <bdx> hey whats up all
[20:21] <bdx> does 2.3 not auto-detect power type and bmc details?
[20:21] <bdx> just trying 2.3 for the first time in the wild
[20:22] <bdx> ultimate fail due to the power type configuration not being picked up/autofilled
[20:22] <bdx> dah
[20:23] <roaksoax> bdx: do you have cloud-init logs ?
[20:24] <roaksoax> bdx: ther'es only been one change on ipmi auto detect that I can recall and should not impact you at all
[20:25] <bdx> roaksoax: yeah, omp
[20:26] <bdx> roaksoax: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26060222/
[20:26] <bdx> ooh my b
[20:26] <bdx> thats regiond
[20:27] <roaksoax> bdx: was that a fresh install ?
[20:27] <bdx> yes
[20:27] <bdx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26060226/
[20:27] <bdx> clou-init.log^
[20:27] <bdx> ill add these to the bug
[20:28] <roaksoax> bdx: can you ssh into the machine
[20:28] <roaksoax> bdx: while it is "commissioning "
[20:28] <bdx> it wont even let me commission
[20:28] <roaksoax> bdx: change the power type to manual
[20:28] <bdx> I get blocked in the gui from it even happening
[20:29] <bdx> ok
[20:29] <bdx> done
[20:29] <roaksoax> bdx: so where did you get that log form ?
[20:29] <roaksoax> the cloud-init one ?
[20:30] <bdx> var/log/cloud-init.log on my maas-region-rackd-00
[20:30] <bdx> I'm assuming you wanted the one from the machine
[20:30] <roaksoax> bdx: yes, so do something else
[20:30] <bdx> that Im trying to commission
[20:30] <bdx> yeah, ok
[20:30] <roaksoax> bdx: /var/log/maas/rsyslog/maas-enlisting-node/
[20:30] <roaksoax> bdx: /var/log/maas/rsyslog/maas-enlisting-node/<date>/messages
[20:30] <roaksoax> i think that's the path
[20:30] <bdx> its snap install
[20:31] <bdx> but I see it
[20:31] <bdx> ok nm
[20:31] <bdx> I thought I did
[20:31] <mup> Bug #1734763 opened: bmc discovery/auto-detect broken in 2.3 <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1734763>
[20:31] <bdx> I have no var/log/maas bc the snap install
[20:32] <bdx> I wonder if the snap is proxying those logs to syslog
[20:32] <bdx> heres the syslog from the maas-region-rack-00 http://paste.ubuntu.com/26060259/
[20:33] <roaksoax> bdx: check /var/snap/maas/common/log/
[20:34] <bdx> roaksoax: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26060271/
[20:35] <roaksoax> bdx: ok, so just change the machine to manual power type, commission it with the option to allow ssh, manually power it on
[20:35] <roaksoax> bdx: and ssh into the environment
[20:36] <roaksoax> bdx: wait for the commissioning to finish
[20:36] <bdx> ok
[20:36] <roaksoax> and gather /var/log/cloud-init-ouput.log
[20:36] <roaksoax> bdx: the issue i think you are having is that the ephemeral image cannot access the internet, hence it cannot download ipmi related tools and fails to configure the BMC
[20:36] <roaksoax> bdx: because on the hardware we have, it all works just fine
[20:37] <bdx> really
[20:37] <bdx> so from my region-rack-controller
[20:38] <bdx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26060285/
[20:38] <bdx> possibly its more contrived then that though
[20:40] <bdx> well, I didnt think I would be here (at the datacenter) for more then a few moments, totally spaced grabbing my power adapter for the macbook
[20:40] <bdx> power is on 5%
[20:40] <bdx> stupid
[20:40] <bdx> anyway
[20:41] <bdx> hopefully we can get some info from this node before my rig dies
[20:41] <bdx> otherwise I'll be back online in an hourish
[20:41] <bdx> just fyi
[20:44] <bdx> https://www.dropbox.com/s/oxx5xfv6bf5dv3h/Screen%20Shot%202017-11-27%20at%2012.42.58%20PM.png?dl=0
[20:44] <bdx> roaksoax: I cant see what ip the node has
[20:44] <bdx> I dont know by what means I can get at it
[20:45] <bdx> ahh nm
[20:45] <bdx> got in
[20:46] <bdx> roaksoax: cloud-init.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/26060310/
[20:46] <bdx> cloud-init-output.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/26060311/
[20:47] <bdx> ahh
[20:48] <bdx> well shoot
[20:50] <roaksoax> bdx: there you go :)
[21:01] <mup> Bug #1734763 changed: bmc discovery/auto-detect broken in 2.3 <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1734763>
[21:01] <mup> Bug #1734765 opened: [2.x] MAAS snap does not store rsyslog from pxe booting machines <snap> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1734765>
[21:18] <bdx> roaksoax: nothing changed in my environment/network that would cause this though
[21:21] <bdx> roaksoax: so where to go next?
[21:22] <bdx> part of me just wants to revert to 2.2 so I can get my stack back
[21:22] <bdx> but I know we should work this out
[21:22] <bdx> I see you have marked the bug invalid, meaning it must be something on my end
[21:23] <bdx> just scrambled wondering what it could be
[21:23] <bdx> ill do some more digging
[21:24] <bdx> but I mean, I went from working 2.2, wiped the slate, installed 2.3
[21:24] <bdx> now my nodes wont commission
[21:24] <bdx> that cant be user error
[21:24] <bdx> possibly somehow it is
[21:26] <roaksoax> bdx: is proxy running ?
[21:26] <bdx> yeah
[21:28] <roaksoax> bdx: ok, i'm gonna re-deploy mt env using the snap
[21:28] <bdx> ok, thx
[21:29] <roaksoax> bdx: is this MAAS though? <IP_ADDRESS>:8000
[21:30] <bdx> oooh
[21:30] <bdx> no
[21:30] <bdx> I see the issue
[21:30] <bdx> I'm using haproxy infront of maas
[21:30] <bdx> proxying port 80 -> 5240
[21:31] <bdx> I'm guessing I need 8000 too then
[21:32] <bdx> so, I reset my maas-url to be maas-url=http://<IP_ADDRESS>/MAAS
[21:32] <roaksoax> right
[21:32] <roaksoax> but masa will always add :8000 for the proxy
[21:32] <roaksoax> so maas is effectively being told "your proxy is in <IP_ADDRESS>:8000"
[21:32] <bdx> ahhh
[21:32] <bdx> ok
[21:32] <bdx> well
[21:33] <roaksoax> bdx: but might as well be haproxy
[21:33] <bdx> yeah, but I'm not proxying port 8000
[21:33] <bdx> so its probably hitting <IP_ADDRESS>:8000 and nothing is there
[21:34] <bdx> so, the answer here is to forward port 8000 too then
[21:34] <bdx> got it
[21:34] <bdx> that makes sense
[21:35] <roaksoax> so in a non-snap world, pointing rackd.conf to maas_url=http://<IP_ADDRESS>/MAAS means that you are telling it that the region is on that IP
[21:35] <bdx> got it
[21:35] <roaksoax> so when deploying machines, maas tells them "here's your metadata server  (<IP_ADDRESS>) and your proxy is on :8000"
[21:36] <roaksoax> on the snap world, the same happens, but you just dont modify rackd.conf anymore
[21:36] <bdx> totally
[21:36] <bdx> so the only way the maas-url can change, is if the new ip accounts for proxying 8000 as well as 5240?
[21:37] <bdx> 5240 -> 80, 8000 -> 8000
[21:37] <bdx> bleh
[21:37] <bdx> 80 -> 5240, 8000 -> 8000
[21:37] <roaksoax> right, so if you tell maas is on "http://XXXX:2020/MAAS" then the maas proxy is still running  in :8000 in the same XXXX
[21:37] <bdx> totally


[01:08] <vorian> evening :
[01:08] <nosrednaekim> hey
[01:08] <vorian> quiet night eh?
[01:09] <nosrednaekim> yeah
[01:09] <nosrednaekim> right after a relase :)
[01:11] <vorian> :)
[01:51] <daskreech> ho all
[01:55] <vorian> hey
[02:22] <daskreech> hi Hobbsee
[02:34] <Hobbsee> hey daskreech!
[02:35] <daskreech> Hobbsee: How are you?
[02:35] <Hobbsee> doing OK
[02:36] <daskreech> Groovy :)
[02:40] <daskreech> The default compiz stuff in Ubuntu is pretty crisp
[02:44] <nixternal> if you are blind
[02:46] <crimsun> and don't care about system stability.
[02:47] <JontheEchidna> Compiz is a crappy window manager, even if it has nice effects
[02:49] <nixternal> aye, seems I have made our college's LUG advisor quit...I replied to his email with the Ubuntu CoC about stepping down :)
[02:52] <daskreech> I never said it was smart :) I said it was crisp
[02:52] <daskreech> they have nice defaults
[02:56] <Hobbsee> nixternal: oh dera.  more stepping down
[02:57] <nixternal> maybe I need to step down so I can be cool again!
[02:57] <daskreech> nixternal is plenty cool
[02:57] <daskreech> He's blamable :)
[03:12] <ScottK> I've seen compiz on other people's computers and not once have I thought "I want that".
[03:14] <JontheEchidna> KWin effects are sufficient for me
[03:15] <JontheEchidna> Desktop grid is more useful than the cube imo
[03:20]  * Hobbsee has both
[03:21] <daskreech> who's building 4.1 ?
[03:23] <daskreech> Woah
[03:23] <daskreech> MythTV is a Qt App ?
[04:23] <daskreech> Is it me or when I install apps in KDE3 in hardy they don't update the menu
[04:23] <daskreech> or is that just a live CD thing?
[04:24] <ScottK> It's either your or a live CD thing.  workforme.
[04:26] <daskreech> I asked cause I'm in gnome now and it's doing the same thing
[06:13]  * nixternal wonders if he should join the kubuntu-de team for 5-a-day :)
[06:13] <nixternal> Kubuntu DE totally rocks!
[06:13] <daSkreecH> Ha ha
[06:28] <daSkreecH> argh Why does middle click must kmix?
[06:28] <daSkreecH> it's annoying
[06:29] <daSkreecH> Mute
[06:34] <nixternal> hahaha vorian, you are on the suckah board with me :p
[06:58] <skreech_> am I the only person who has the keyboard disappear in KDE4 ?
[06:59] <nixternal> ahh, just because you don't wash your hands and your keyboard runs away from you, don't blame it on KDE 4
[06:59] <nixternal> typical GNOME user attitude right there :p
[06:59] <skreech_> I wash my ... well my keyboard doesn't run away so there :-P
[06:59] <nixternal> heh
[06:59] <skreech_> If I wait like 20 minutes it will magically work again
[07:00] <nixternal> I haven't had that problem, but I have had the stuck key problem in both KDE 3 and KDE 4
[07:00] <nixternal> more so in KDE 3 though that I can remember
[07:00] <skreech_> Or I could opt to restart the machine
[07:00] <skreech_> e ?
[07:02] <nixternal> shoot, pretty much every key
[07:02] <nixternal> w was a recent one that i can remember
[07:02] <nixternal> as well as m maybe
[07:02] <skreech_> which works?
[07:02] <skreech_>  cause I can get the FN keys to work
[07:03] <skreech_> everything else is pretty much dead
[07:03] <skreech_> I did get those to die once :)
[07:03] <nixternal> everything is working for me
[07:03] <nixternal> !worksforme
[07:03] <nixternal> no, it should work! for everyone! that is Microsoft's philosophy, and look how large they have gotten!
[07:05] <skreech_> fat cows
[07:05] <skreech_> we should be more like SCO
[07:05] <skreech_> ^_^
[07:06] <skreech_> ahh flames!! Pitchforks!!
[07:06] <nixternal> heh, my buddy worked for them until recently
[07:07] <nixternal> SCO had a majority of the US hospitals on contracts for their systems
[07:07] <nixternal> so there is a big thing for Ubuntu to jump on, US hospitals, or are they scared of the US health system?
[07:07] <nixternal> wimps!
[07:09] <skreech_> I would be :)
[07:10] <skreech_> Unless I was a health insurance company I guess
[07:12] <nixternal> speaking of which, they are trying to screw my mother right now after her heart attack last year
[07:13] <DASkreech> Yep
[07:14] <DASkreech> They had a story on BBC of this woman who had cancer three times and now she just doesn't go to the doctor
[07:16] <nixternal> careful on what you hear about all of that stuff...there are cancer clinics in the US that take care of all people no matter their financial or insurance situation
[07:17] <nixternal> my cousin has/had cancer, however that works, without a dime to his name, nor insurance, and he hasn't paid a dime for any of his treatments, and neither have the tax payers
[07:17] <DASkreech> research centers?
[07:17] <nixternal> we have those, but the big things are the non-profit cancer treatment centers in the US
[07:18] <nixternal> I don't have a job nor insurance, but I get treated when I am sick
[07:18] <nixternal> people who live int he sticks may not have easy access to that type of stuff, and they are the ones who typically complain
[07:18] <DASkreech> heehee the sticks :)
[07:18] <nixternal> our insurance companies, now that is a different story
[07:19] <nixternal> they will kill you if the can just to save a dollar
[07:19] <nixternal> s/the/they
[07:20] <nixternal> in Chicago, it is like 65% of the population isn't insured
[07:20] <nixternal> granted they have Stroger/Cook County hospital to go die for free, but still :)
[07:20] <nixternal> I don't care how bad off I was, I will not go to either of those hospitals
[07:20] <nixternal> take me out back and get rid of me like a wounded animal
[07:21] <DASkreech> They cheney way
[07:21] <nixternal> haha
[07:21] <nixternal> I watched that Dixie Chicks documentary today on tv, have to admit that was pretty good
[07:22] <nixternal> they got one in good on cheney
[07:23] <nixternal> the one girl wore a t-shirt that had 'FUTK' on it for FU Toby Keith...so someone in the audience who hated them for what they said years ago in England wore a shirt that said FUDC for the Dixie Chicks
[07:23] <nixternal> but the lead singer said "what did dick cheney have to do with it?"
[07:23] <nixternal> haha, she pwnd that dude
[07:23] <nixternal> anywho, i am tired and rambling nonsense now
[07:23]  * nixternal sleeps
[07:23] <nixternal> g'nite
[07:23] <DASkreech> night
[08:37] <awen_> !info libqt4-gui intrepid
[08:42] <awen_> hmm, ubottu is asleep .... are we going to update http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/intrepid/qt4-x11 to the 4.4.0~rc1 sometime soon (a sync from debian?)
[10:25] <Riddell> awen_: I'm waiting for qt 4.4 to be released (sometime today)
[10:26] <awen_> Riddell: even cooler :)
[10:27] <Riddell> awen_: infact it looks like it's out now
[10:28] <hads> Sweet
[10:28] <awen_> Riddell: what a timing ... wasn't out when i looked an hour ago or so
[11:31] <GNUton> Hi
[11:32] <GNUton> i'm looking for kde4.1alpha1 packages for gutsy.
[11:32] <Riddell> GNUton: there aren't any
[11:32] <jussi01> !test
[11:33] <GNUton> Riddell: ok, thank you.
[11:34] <jussi01> awen_: we have no intrepid info yet. if you care to provide a source.list for itthen I can add it in :)
[11:34] <awen_> jussi01: huh?
[11:35] <awen_> jussi01: ahh ... sources.list for ubottu ?
[11:35] <jussi01> awen_: see your comments ~3 hours ago...
[11:35] <jussi01> awen_:yeah
[11:35] <jussi01> awen_: Im curently running it ;)
[11:36] <awen_> jussi01: just copy the sources.list for hardy and "s/hardy/intrepid/"
[11:36] <jussi01> awen_: ahh, so its all the same then. :)
[11:37] <jussi01> stdin: we need to do this sometime soonish :)
[11:37] <awen_> jussi01: yeah :)
[11:38] <stdin> jussi01: I already have a intrepid sources.list there, just fails miserably
[11:38] <jussi01> stdin: ahh... what is it called?
[11:38] <jussi01> intrepid.list ?
[11:39] <stdin> yeah
[11:39] <jussi01> hrmm, what was that config variable again...
[11:40] <stdin> the default release to search?
[11:40] <stdin> @search searchorder
[11:41] <stdin> !info gcc intrepid
[12:11] <jussi01> doh! he left...
[12:11] <jussi01> !info libqt4-gui intrepid
[14:42] <smarter> hey all
[14:45] <smarter> Riddell: can I create a bzr branch for desktop-effects-kde?
[14:47] <Riddell> smarter: should already be one somewhere
[14:48] <Riddell> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-users/guidance/desktop-effects-kde
[14:49] <smarter> Riddell: thanks, I'll commit some bugfixes later
[14:50] <Riddell> groovy
[14:53] <Riddell> qt 4.4 is a beast
[15:10] <awen_> yeah ... just looking at the qt4.4~rc1 in debian had an amazingly number of binary packages
[15:29] <Serega> hi there
[15:40] <Riddell> hi Serega
[15:43] <Riddell> it works!
[16:04] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: ping
[16:15] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: pong
[16:15] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: today is a bad day, i have to go to a meeting soon
[16:15] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: ok then
[16:18] <smarter> Riddell: why does desktop-effects-kde use Build-Depends-Indep instead of Build-Depends? Lintian is not happy
[16:18] <jdavies> Hobbsee: ^
[16:18] <Riddell> smarter: why is lintian not happy?
[16:19] <Riddell> smarter: it shouldn't matter, I don't mind having it changed
[16:19] <smarter> E: desktop-effects-kde source: clean-should-be-satisfied-by-build-depends debhelper
[16:19] <smarter> ok, I'll change it then
[16:19] <Riddell> who runs ubottu?
[16:20] <jdavies> Riddell: jussio1 but, we're helping some problems with the Webcal plugin for -meeting
[16:21] <jdavies> seems to have the desire to change it for ALL channel
[16:21] <jdavies> -s*
[16:22] <Hobbsee> jdavies: *sigh*
[16:24] <jdavies> damn
[16:27] <Riddell> anyone want to package http://code.google.com/p/arora/ ?
[16:28] <smarter> wow, looks cool
[16:35] <smarter> Riddell: I'll do it
[16:35] <smarter> do we already have Qt4.4 in the repos?
[16:36] <Riddell> smarter: it's currently glogging up my upstream bandwidth
[16:36] <Riddell> clogging
[16:36] <Riddell> smarter: but you can probably use 4.4 rc 1 in my ppa
[16:36] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: hows that work with current 4.3 packages?
[16:36] <smarter> ok
[16:36] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: which?
[16:36] <nosrednaekim> does it install to a separate DIR?
[16:37] <Riddell> no
[16:37] <nosrednaekim> qt4.4
[16:37] <Riddell> new version of the same thing
[16:38] <nosrednaekim> I meant the 4.4 packages in general, and the possible conflict with the 4.3 packages
[16:41] <Riddell> libqt4-core is now libqtcore4
[16:41] <Riddell> same for -gui
[16:41] <Riddell> -webkit and -svg added
[16:43] <nosrednaekim> ok
[16:45] <bobesponja> Riddell: smarter you might be interested in this instead of arora http://gitorious.org/projects/foxkit more KDEish
[16:47] <Riddell> gosh, loads of browsers
[16:48] <smarter> thanks bobesponja
[16:48] <bobesponja> he's working with the student that works on webkit part gsoc for making foxkit use it
[16:48] <bobesponja> smarter: welcome :)
[16:48] <bobesponja> *webkitpart
[16:49] <smarter> Riddell: rev30 commited in desktop-effects-kde ;)
[16:56] <nosrednaekim> smarter: whats this?
[16:56] <smarter> nosrednaekim: what's what?
[16:57] <smarter> I've made some bugfixes for https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-users/guidance/desktop-effects-kde and commited a new revision
[17:02] <nosrednaekim> oh.. ok.. thanks smarter :)
[17:21] <ScottK> Riddell: Is it worth merging KDE3 from Debian?
[17:21] <Riddell> ScottK: I don't think so
[17:22] <Riddell> only packages where we don't have a kde 4 version
[17:22] <Riddell> so amarok or the like sure
[17:22] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  Thanks.  What about stuff like the libs package that has external rdepends?
[17:23] <Riddell> libs package?
[17:23] <ScottK> What is it, kde4libs?
[17:23] <Riddell> well that's kde 4
[17:23] <Riddell> kdelibs (kde3) I'm merging now
[17:23] <Riddell> actually Arby already did it, I'm just fixing some autofoo
[17:24] <ScottK> OK.  Yes.  That one.
[17:25] <ScottK> I get 673 rdepends on Hardy.
[17:25] <Riddell> ScottK: for kdelibs?
[17:26] <ScottK> For kdelibs4c2a
[17:26] <Riddell> ScottK: what about kdebase?
[17:26]  * ScottK looks
[17:29] <ScottK> That looks a lot more manageable.  66 most of which look like they are core KDE.
[17:29] <ScottK> There are a few though.
[17:29] <ScottK> Then there's some odd stuff too.  kblogger-kde4 build-deps on kdebase-dev
[17:29] <Riddell> apt-cache rdepends kdebase-data counts 45
[17:30] <ScottK> apt-cache rdpends kdebase gets 65
[17:31] <Riddell> maybe rdepends isn't as clever as I'm assuming
[17:31] <Riddell> k3b could be a problem
[17:31] <ScottK> amarok build-deps on kdebase-dev
[17:31] <Riddell> hum
[17:32] <ScottK> At least according to grep-dctrl
[17:32] <ScottK> compiz does too.
[17:32] <Riddell> that'll be for kwin
[17:33] <ScottK> It looks like a lot of the kdebase-dev build-deps are droppable, but I'm pretty sure not all.
[17:34] <Riddell> mm
[17:34] <Riddell> apachelogger: any idea if amarok can live without kdebase-dev?
[17:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: pretty much, IIRC it's only needed for the konqueror sidebar plugin
[17:35] <Riddell> ah, ok
[17:36] <smarter> why do you want to drop kdebase-dev rdepends?
[17:36] <ScottK> Is there a KDE4 replacement for smb4k?
[17:37] <ScottK> smarter: Trying to see how realistic it is to get large chunks of KDE3 removed during Intrepid.
[17:40] <smarter> we're really going to remove kde3? I think we should wait for intrepid+1 at least, my computer who is running fine with kde 3.5 can't handle kde 4.0 nor 4.1
[17:41] <ScottK> The seems to be the plan.
[17:41] <ScottK> The/That
[17:43] <smarter> then I'll have to switch to another distro/desktop environment on this computer :\
[17:43] <smarter> is powermanager already ported to qt4?
[17:44] <ScottK> smarter: Riddell has it in bzr somewhere
[17:44] <ScottK> smarter: What's the problem with kde4 for you?
[17:44] <smarter> slow, really slow
[17:56]  * jussi01 huggles kde4
[17:58] <Riddell> apachelogger: how come there's no https://launchpad.net/project-neon ?
[17:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: I didn't create one, do we need it?
[17:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: didn't know you could create a ppa without a lunchpad project
[17:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: do you just upload to the right place and it makes one?
[18:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: it's a normal user PPA
[18:00] <apachelogger> PPA's are not related to projects at all
[18:00] <apachelogger> only bzr branches are/can be
[18:01]  * apachelogger creates amarok-nightly-dev
[18:08] <Riddell> oh, but there is https://launchpad.net/~project-neon, duh
[18:08] <nixternal> ScottK: no smb4k for KDE 4 yet, they are waiting for 4.1 to be final
[18:09] <nixternal> dropping KDE 3 in Intrepid is very unrealistic, sorry...unless devs release their KDE 4 apps before October
[18:16] <Riddell> nixternal: hmm?
[18:22] <ScottK> nixternal: Do you remember where you found that pinentry-qt4 port?
[18:23] <nixternal> ScottK: KDE SVN
[18:23] <nixternal> strike back what I said about it being unrealistic...I just went through all of the large KDE/Qt based apps and it seems they have all started the porting process
[18:23] <nixternal> BibleTime and smb4k - which are 2 very popular KDE 3/Qt 3 based apps
[18:24] <nixternal> porting process has started, and BibleTime already has a KDE 4 alpha which myself or txwikinger will get packaged up
[18:24] <txwikinger> nixternal: Already working on that
[18:24] <nixternal> would be nice to poll our users and see if they plan on using KDE 3 with Intrepid and beyond
[18:25] <nixternal> I would hate to pull the rug from under them causing them to go elsewhere
[18:25] <txwikinger> I think KDE3 should not be dropped in intrepid
[18:25] <ScottK> AFAIK no one is doing a klamav port.
[18:25] <txwikinger> let's get KDE4 stable first
[18:26] <stdin> I thought I'd just be moved to universe eventually, not dropped
[18:26] <stdin> *It'd
[18:26] <nixternal> I would say move it to universe for the time being
[18:30] <Riddell> apachelogger: where's the code for neon kept?
[18:31] <apachelogger> svn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/extragear/multimedia/amarok/supplementary_scripts/neon
[18:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: ^
[18:31] <amachu> hi
[18:31] <Riddell> lots of ruby
[18:31] <Riddell> hi amachu!
[18:32] <amachu> after long time i am making it here
[18:32] <amachu> Riddell: HI
[18:32] <apachelogger> hehe
[18:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: you know, we love the ruby :D
[18:32] <amachu> Riddell: would like to contribute to merging
[18:32] <Riddell> amachu: groovy
[18:33] <amachu> this time I hope to sustain, unlike last time
[18:33] <amachu> :-)
[18:33]  * txwikinger wonders if we have any patches applied for python
[18:34] <ScottK> Python itself of python-qt/kde?
[18:34] <txwikinger> python itself
[18:34] <txwikinger> It seems there trademark policy does not allow any modifications if their logo is used
[18:34] <txwikinger> their
[18:35] <amachu> Riddell: any directions for me to begin?
[18:35] <txwikinger> I doubt that is intended, but they have written it that way
[18:36] <Riddell> amachu: kiosktool?  to pick a random small package that should be fairly easy to merge
[18:37] <amachu> Riddell: Sure. I will come up. thank you.
[18:53] <jussi01> apachelogger: nice work on neon - is there a reason it doesnt take the theme from kde4?
[18:54] <apachelogger> jussi01: what do you mean by theme?
[18:54] <jussi01> apachelogger: I have a black theme on kde4, one of the defaults. amarok nightly comes out grey...
[18:54] <apachelogger> well
[18:55] <apachelogger> for one the possability of incompability
[18:55] <apachelogger> and for another the existing incompability ;-)
[18:57] <jussi01> apachelogger: hrm... ok... here ais a screenshot fyi: http://imagebin.ca/view/BE-uO7F.html
[18:57] <jussi01> the blue text looks a little weird
[18:57] <apachelogger> yeah
[18:57] <apachelogger> why does that happen -.-
[18:58] <Riddell> the neon packages don't include the black theme
[18:58] <Riddell> or use different qt settings?
[18:58] <smarter> Riddell: it's supposed to automagically adapt itself to the system color scheme
[18:59] <apachelogger> jussi01: what color theme are you using?
[18:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: it technically shouldn't
[18:59] <jussi01> and does anyone know about that weird transparent bt on the panel? (see the screenie I just posted)
[18:59] <apachelogger> and I am unable to reproduce
[18:59] <apachelogger> though
[18:59] <apachelogger> the issue appeard some months ago for me
[18:59] <jussi01> apachelogger: obsidian coast
[18:59] <apachelogger> until I included the oxygen theme in neon's kdebase
[19:00] <apachelogger> jussi01: did you check 'apply to non-kde4'?
[19:00] <jussi01> hrm... dunno
[19:00]  * jussi01 goes to look
[19:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: the confusing part is, even if Neon's Qt tries to use the desktop color scheme, it should probably fall back to the default in case it can't find it
[19:01] <jussi01> ok, I didnt, but now I did and no change - even after amarok nightly restart
[19:02] <apachelogger> jussi01: well, I doubt it's the desktop colors anyway
[19:02] <apachelogger> there must be some other issue
[19:02] <jussi01> hrm, ok. :/
[19:07] <jussi01> hrm, thats fun, adept/manage repositories closes on "Find Best Server" :/
[19:16] <JontheEchidna> jussi01: Yeah, I'm getting that too
[19:53] <Riddell> awen_: guidance-power-manager is in kdereview, are you able to test it?
[19:53] <Riddell> _Sime_: could you test it too?  I get a crash on exit that I'm curious if others have
[19:55] <Serega> Riddell: what statujs should I set to #210303 ?
[19:55] <awen_> awen_: kdereview ... ?
[19:55] <Serega> bug #210303
[19:56] <Riddell> awen_: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdereview/
[19:56] <_Sime_> Riddell: where exactly?
[19:57] <Riddell> _Sime_: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdereview/
[19:57] <Riddell> Serega: same status as bug 226475
[19:57] <awen_> Riddell: do you have a build .deb already?
[19:58] <Riddell> awen_: I was hoping you could test that it "compiles" and installs too :)
[19:58] <smarter_> Riddell: we should drop the checkbox "enable Zeroconf network browsing" from kcm_kdnssd kcm module
[19:59] <awen_> Riddell: okay ... i'll give it a go sometime this evening
[19:59] <smarter_> zeroconf/avahi is now enabled by default and when you click apply it tries to run a script that does'nt exist anymore
[20:01] <Riddell> smarter_: that'll sort itself out with KDE 4
[20:01] <smarter_> but that may confuse people for kde3/hardy
[20:01] <_Sime_> Riddell: that looks like the old "not destroying KApplication last" problem.
[20:02] <_Sime_> Riddell: simple workaround
[20:02] <_Sime_> Riddell: make a real main(), and make app global. app will then be the last thing deleted (C++).
[20:03] <_Sime_> Riddell: after the window etc is gone.
[20:04] <awen_> Riddell: is that the version ported for kde4?
[20:04] <Serega> Riddell: thanks. and why the patch is not in hardy updates?
[20:07] <Riddell> awen_: yes
[20:07] <smarter_> Riddell: why was the dvdcss install script removed?
[20:07] <Riddell> Serega: it needs to be approved before it gets into hardy-proposed, then wait a week, then into -updates
[20:07] <Riddell> smarter_: turns out it was illegal in the US
[20:09] <smarter_> Riddell: it's illegal in France too, but nobody care, but why is a command different from a gui?
[20:09] <smarter_> we could display a big warning instead
[20:10] <Riddell> smarter_: no idea, go ask the judge
[20:10] <smarter_> a judge told you to do that?
[20:12] <Riddell> not personally, but that's what the case law has shown
[20:13] <smarter_> do you have any reference?
[20:14] <smarter_> according to wikipedia, libdvdcss is not illegal in the US
[20:16] <jdavies> wikipedia != the law
[20:17] <Riddell> no, I don't
[20:18] <Riddell> _Sime_: groovy, that seems to have sorted it, thanks
[20:20] <smarter_> I still don't think that making harder to install it will make it more legal, but ianal...
[20:22] <Riddell> smarter_: I don't like it any more than anyone, however that's the rules
[20:24] <jdavies> smarter_: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/sounder/2006-February/004420.html
[20:24] <smarter_> thanks jdavies/jpatrick
[20:25] <jdavies> ..or neither o_9
[20:26] <smarter_> even if these links are mostly about DeCSS which is != from libdvdcss
[20:29] <Arby> Riddell: just looking for the next merge to do, is it worth me tackling kdeadmin or kdebase?
[20:30] <Arby> I was just reading back over the conversation about removing kde3 from intrepid
[20:30] <yuriy> haven't read back yet.. but all for it
[20:31] <Riddell> Arby: I'd leave the main kde modules for now
[20:31] <Riddell> Arby: got kdelibs up thanks, what other ones from you are outstanding for me to process?
[20:31] <Riddell> Arby: konversation maybe?
[20:33] <Arby> Riddell: konversation is done and waiting for review
[20:34] <Arby> kdeaccessability and kdeaddons are also outstanding
[20:34] <Arby> I have links if you need them
[20:35] <Arby> Riddell: what would you prefer me to work on
[20:35] <Riddell> ktorret?
[20:36] <Arby> ok
[20:36] <Riddell> links would be handy
[20:36] <Arby> 2 ticks
[20:36] <Arby> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeaddons/+bug/227004
[20:37] <Arby> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeaccessibility/+bug/226839
[20:37] <Arby> erm ok
[20:37] <Arby> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/konversation/+bug/226180
[20:37] <Arby> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeaccessibility/+bug/226839
[20:38] <Arby> Riddell: did you do k3b already?
[20:39] <jdavies> Riddell: could you process bug 226818 too?
[20:51] <Riddell> Arby: nope
[20:51] <Arby> Riddell: k3b https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3b/+bug/226635
[20:52] <Arby> that's all of them
[20:54] <jdavies> doesn't k3b have kubuntu specific changes?
[20:55] <jdavies> like the "install libk3b2-extracodes for mp3 support"
[21:06] <Riddell> jdavies: yes
[21:07] <jdavies> oh, wait, /me read sync instead of merge
[21:08] <nixternal> jeesh, generating RAW XML with ADO.NET and Oracle is a pita
[21:17] <Arby> hmm, debian have removed a build-dep on cdbs for ktorrent, do we still need it?
[21:17] <Arby> also the maintainer has changed from tonio to Debian KDE extras team
[21:17] <Arby> do we need to keep tonio's name somewhere
[21:19] <stdin> just change the XSBC-Original-Maintainer to the value of the debian Maintainer field
[21:19] <stdin> as for cdbs, it depends on the debian/rules, that's where it's used
[21:19] <jdavies> Arby: 'update-maintainer' script does the updating automatically
[21:20] <jdavies> it's from the ubuntu-dev-tools package
[21:20] <Arby> stdin: ok I'll dig into there then for cdbs
[21:20] <Arby> there is no XSBC-Original-Maintainer field should I add one
[21:21] <Arby> jdavies: thanks I'll install that and have a look
[21:21] <jdavies> yes, that script does it for you too
[21:21]  * Arby man pages
[21:27] <Arby> update-maintainer returns 'Package already maintained by the ubuntu team'
[21:27] <Arby> this is the diff http://paste.ubuntu.com/10604/
[21:29] <Arby> also, cdbs still appears in debian/rules
[21:29] <Arby> there are lines like 'include /usr/share/cdbs/1/foo'
[21:29] <Arby> at the top of the file
[21:31] <awen_> anyone has some litterature of the best way to build a kde module from svn? (is it automated in any way?)
[21:33] <jdavies> Arby: creepy
[21:34] <Arby> jdavies: which part?
[21:36] <jdavies> all..
[21:36] <jdavies> well the "already maintained" part
[21:38] <Arby> suggestions welcome, I don't know what to do with that
[21:38] <Arby> and tonio isn't here to ask
[21:40] <Arby> shouldn't Maintainer be Ubuntu-core-developers
[21:40] <Arby> then XSBC-Original-Maintainer: Debian KDE Extras Team
[21:41] <Arby> I thought we didn't have individual maintainers in Kubuntu, just teams
[21:41] <smarter_> Riddell: when you have some time, could you please review and upload desktop-effects-kde from the bzr branches?
[21:42] <smarter_> awen_: try http://techbase.kde.org
[21:45] <_Sime> sebas: ping
[21:50] <Arby> can someone tell me what this is http://paste.ubuntu.com/10610/ ?
[21:50] <Arby> it looks like a man page source coorect?
[21:50] <Arby> *correct even
[21:50] <smarter_> yes
[21:50] <Arby> thanks, never seen one before
[22:00] <Arby> what is a debian/series file? the order in which patches are applied.
[22:02] <stdin> if you mean debian/patches/series, then yes, it's used by quilt
[22:03] <Arby> yes, that's what I meant, typo
[22:04] <Arby> and if debian/patches contains a patch that is not listed in debian/patches/series is that important.
[22:04] <stdin> it just won't be applied
[22:04] <Arby> ok
[22:12] <Riddell> Arby: series is only used by dpatch and quilt, simple-patchsys apples anything in the directory
[22:13] <Arby> Riddell: debian have added a build-dep on quilt for ktorrent
[22:13] <Riddell> right
[22:13] <Arby> although I'm still battling with the control file
[22:14] <Arby> this is the diff http://paste.ubuntu.com/10604/
[22:14] <Arby> Riddell: ^^ any suggestions appreciated
[22:14] <Riddell> Arby: take the debian one
[22:14] <Riddell> change the maintainer in the usual way
[22:15] <Riddell> check that all the build-deps are in main
[22:15] <Riddell> sorted
[22:15] <Arby> thanks
[22:17] <Arby> Riddell: debian/rules refers to cdbs but the build-dep on cdbs has been removed, is that going to cause problems?
[22:18] <Riddell> I'd have thought so
[22:19] <Arby> this looks a bit like that mangled rules file I had the other day
[22:19] <Arby> let me pastebin it
[22:20] <Arby> Riddell: untouched rules file http://paste.ubuntu.com/10616/
[22:20] <Arby> a mixture of cdbs and the other one I can't remember (debhelper?)
[22:22] <awen_> Riddell: when trying to build gpm using cmake i get the following error: CMakeLists.txt:7: Unknown CMake command "macro_optional_find_package".
[22:24] <Riddell> awen_: do you have kdelibs5-dev installed?
[22:26] <awen_> Riddell: that's probably it, thanks ... haven't been able to find a list of "common dependencies" for kde modules
[22:29] <Riddell> kdelibs5-dev python-qt4-dev python-kde4
[22:31] <seele> anyone know if there will be a UDS travel page?
[22:31] <Riddell> jcastro might
[22:31] <seele> nm, jcastro told corey to do it lol
[22:32] <Riddell> sounds like it needs a proactive self starter to take on the challenge
[22:32] <jcastro> Well, he was like "it might be a good idea"
[22:32] <jcastro> so I was like "rock on dude."
[22:46] <awen_> Riddell: keeps getting the error ... added kdelibs5-dev python-qt4-dev python-kde4 as well as just about any dependencies from the current kde-guidance
[22:48] <Riddell> oh
[22:48] <Riddell> cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/lib/kde4
[22:54] <Arby> I can't get ktorrent to build, something is wrong in the rules file but I don't know what.
[22:55] <Arby> the error is:
[22:55] <Arby> make: *** No rule to make target `unpatch', needed by `clean'. Stop.
[22:55] <Arby> dpkg-buildpackage: failure: fakeroot debian/rules clean gave error exit status 2
[22:55] <Riddell> Arby: pastebin rules?
[22:55] <Arby> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10616/
[22:55] <Arby> that's the diff
[22:55] <Arby> I took the debian version
[22:56] <Arby> the section after clean:: unpatch is blank
[22:57] <Arby> I tried removing clean:: unpatch altogether but that also fails
[22:58] <Riddell> Arby: what patch system are you using?
[22:59] <Arby> I've installed patchutils and patch from various guides
[22:59] <Arby> is this another variant
[22:59] <Riddell> include /usr/share/quilt/quilt.make
[22:59] <Riddell> the debian one uses quilt
[23:00] <Riddell> if you have that in your rules file it should provide the unpatch target
[23:00] <Arby> ok
[23:01] <Riddell> Arby: do you?
[23:01] <Arby> Riddell: no I don't I've added it and trying again
[23:02] <Arby> Riddell:  results in dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source
[23:03] <Arby> Riddell: lots of lines of dpkg-source: cannot represent change to plugins/infowidget/geoip/FOO.png: binary file contents changed
[23:03] <seele> for UDSers: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Prague/Attendees
[23:03] <Arby> which I haven't touched
[23:05] <Riddell> means those files aren't in the .orig
[23:05]  * awen_ gives up on building gpm for now ... time was obviously already running too late when i started
[23:05] <Riddell> awen_: didn't work with -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/lib/kde4 ?
[23:06] <Arby> Riddell: so I need to re-package the .orig with those in it?
[23:06] <Riddell> Arby: are you using the .orig from debian?
[23:06] <sebas> _Sime: pong
[23:06] <awen_> i suppose it should go as "DEB_CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX = /usr/lib/kde4" in debian/rules ... but that didn't work
[23:07] <Arby> Riddell: I have ktorrent_2.2.6.dfsg.1.orig.tar.gz which I assume is from debian
[23:07] <Arby> it's what grab-merge.sh from MoM gave me
[23:08] <ScottK> seele: Thanks.
[23:08] <Riddell> yes
[23:09] <Riddell> Arby: so where did the plugins/infowidget/geoip/FOO.png files come from?
[23:09] <Arby> I haven't a clue :)
[23:09] <Arby> I'm about to unpack the .orig and see what's there
[23:10] <Riddell> lesspipe will work too
[23:12] <Arby> this is becoming wierd
[23:12] <Arby> after unpacking .orig.tar.gz I find this
[23:12] <Arby> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10627/
[23:13] <Arby> Riddell: ^^
[23:13] <Riddell> but no image files
[23:13] <Riddell> the dfsg will be because they've deleted non-free geoip files
[23:14] <Arby> no, no image files
[23:14] <Arby> so what's the solution. remove them from our package as well?
[23:15] <Riddell> yep
[23:15] <Arby> ok
[23:19] <Arby> Riddell: that did it. builds now
[23:20] <Arby> I had to remove everything bar the 2 Makefiles from that directory
[23:20] <Arby> but at least it builds a source package now
[23:20] <Arby> debdiff incoming in about 5 min
[23:23] <Riddell> awen_: did you compile and install it though?
[23:25] <awen_> Riddell: didn't manage to ... i'm running kde3 atm so my environment isn't really ideal to luckily have the right build-depends installed when i don't know them exactly
[23:29] <Arby> Riddell: debdiff for ktorrent https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktorrent/+bug/227462
[23:29]  * Arby looks for another merge to do tomorrow evening
[23:35]  * Arby is too tired to see the keyboard and goes to sleep instead
[23:35] <jtechidna> nn
[23:38]  * awen_ gives up for tonight too


[21:31] <pleia2> if you were making your own snaps run from your own snap repository, do you need to sign the CLA to use all the snap tooling, or is that just to use the Canonical/Ubuntu snap store?
[21:33] <pleia2> would be helpful to folks like me to know (as you all know, I can't contribute to anything that uses the Canonical CLA due to agreements with my employer)
[22:05] <tsimonq2> pleia2: just out of curiosity, how does an agreement like that work?
[22:09] <pleia2> tsimonq2: depending on the CLA they require the person submitting code to grant licensing rights of what you submit to a company/organization (in Canonical's case, you do retain copyright, which is nice, but not universally true)
[22:10] <pleia2> a lot of major companies (like the one I work for) prohibit signing away of such rights unless it's been explicitly approved
[22:12] <pleia2> my employer has signed a couple that which allow me to contribute to some projects where there is a business interest, but it's a whole bureaucratic nightmare to get rolling and not one I'm interested in getting involved with
[22:12] <tsimonq2> I see
[22:12] <pleia2> so I stick to working on Ubuntu things that don't require a CLA :)
[22:12] <tsimonq2> \o/ :)
[22:12] <pleia2> so I can play with snaps, but I can never contribute
[22:13] <tsimonq2> I'm wondering, if you work for Canonical, do you still have to sign the CLA?
[22:13] <tsimonq2> or is that something you do when hired?
[22:13] <tsimonq2> pleia2: I see
[22:14] <pleia2> signing over those rights may be a condition of employment anyway, so it may be redundant, I don't know
[22:14] <tsimonq2> *shrug*
[22:14] <pleia2> my employer holds the rights to stuff I write as an employee
[22:15] <tsimonq2> pleia2: can a CLA ever prevent someone from getting hired?
[22:17] <pleia2> tsimonq2: I don't think so, but agreements from past employers can prevent you from conributing and signing one (like, one that says you can't contribute to a competing product for X amount of time after your employment ends0
[22:18] <pleia2> fwiw, the main open source project I work on for work has a CLA too and it makes me very grumpy
[22:19] <pleia2> so I'm not just picking on Canonical :)
[22:19] <tsimonq2> :)


[00:10] <ari-tczew> chrisccoulson, micahg: could you comment on merges.u.c packages which are not mergeable? we use form 'Do not merge'
[00:10] <micahg> ari-tczew: we went through this before...
[00:12] <micahg> nonetheless, I added the message to nss and nspr
[00:13] <ari-tczew> micahg: yes, but I remember when chrisccoulson told me that some packages are not mergeable with Debian due to another packaging style.
[00:14] <micahg> yep, we should add them to the sync blacklist list as well, I'll discuss that with him
[00:14] <ari-tczew> micahg: would be nice, thanks
[00:14] <micahg> ari-tczew: I appreciate your efforts
[00:15] <ari-tczew> micahg: wow, I'm glad
[00:18] <micahg> chrisccoulson: do you need to be explicit in setting -DDEB_NO_OPTIMIZE=1?
[00:18] <chrisccoulson> micahg - not really ;)
[00:18] <chrisccoulson> there's a few inconsistencies
[00:20] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ok
[00:28] <ari-tczew> micahg: only these 2 packages?
[00:29] <micahg> ari-tczew: AFAICT, chromium-browser, firefox, seamonkey, thunderbird, and xulrunner* is the other
[00:29] <ari-tczew> did you look on https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe-manual.html ?
[00:29] <micahg> ari-tczew: I don't see any mozilla packages on that list
[00:30] <ari-tczew> micahg: aha, I'm following there where chrisccoulson is TIL
[00:30] <micahg> ari-tczew: chrisccoulson last cycle was heavily involved with the desktop team :)
[00:31] <ari-tczew> aha
[00:51] <micahg> chrisccoulson: about gnash, should we file another bug to fix up the alternatives and just have this merge be updated to install in the correct path?
[00:59] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i don't mind too much really. it's probably quicker to just do gnash and flashplugin-installer at the same time :)
[01:00] <micahg> chrisccoulson: right, but I think it's reasonable to have the merge updated to install only in mozilla/plugins
[01:00] <chrisccoulson> yeah, we should definately do that
[01:00] <chrisccoulson> i want to do that with all plugins really
[01:00] <micahg> chrisccoulson: the old postrm will remove the old entries right?
[01:01] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, it should do
[01:01]  * chrisccoulson looks at http://adren.org/~cyril/debian/MaintainerScripts.html
[01:01] <chrisccoulson> :)
[01:04] <micahg> chrisccoulson: any harm carrying old alternatives in teh postrm to make sure we get rid of them?
[01:04] <micahg> it seems like we should do this for one cycle to be safer
[01:04] <chrisccoulson> we shouldn't need that really, but if we did, it would probably be better in the preinst script instead
[01:05] <micahg> chrisccoulson: preinst gets run before portrm
[01:05] <micahg> *postrm
[01:06] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's ok. it's normally where you'd handle upgrade cleaning. as long as the old postrm doesn't fail if the alternatives are already gone, but they should handle that already
[01:10] <micahg> chrisccoulson: BTW, lightning backported to Lucid fine, but won't build on earlier series, but idk if I really care
[01:11] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i think i saw that. i think it needs a newer mozilla-devscripts to build on older releases
[01:11] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yeah, I suppose I can just copy that over from the daily PPA
[01:11] <chrisccoulson> it needs the dh7 sequence
[01:11] <micahg> so that would work on karmic only
[01:12] <micahg> unless I copy the dh7 backport from the daily PPA as well
[01:15] <chrisccoulson> ooh, i got conkeror working :)
[01:15] <chrisccoulson> it wasn't what i thought it was in the end
[01:15] <chrisccoulson> the chrome.manifest is installed in the wrong place, so i need to move it and adjust all the path names
[01:15] <chrisccoulson> that was a pure guess though!
[01:17] <micahg> cool
[01:18] <chrisccoulson> oh, it's simpler than that. we're just not installing the top-level chrome.manifest, which just includes the pre-existing one
[01:18] <chrisccoulson> d'oh!
[01:18] <chrisccoulson> easy fix though
[05:27] <micahg> \o/ memory usage is much better with the daily than b7
[05:28] <micahg> nm, took a second to eat it all :P
[09:15] <dpm> fta2, fta, are you around? I've just spoken to henninge and jtv, and we could perhaps reserve ~30 minutes to have a chat to go through the remaining blockers for chromium translations. Would you have time and a preferred time today?
[09:15] <dpm> I was thinking of having a chat in #launchpad
[09:17] <fta2> dpm, hi
[09:17] <fta2> i'm available in a few minutes
[09:18] <dpm> fta2, just ping me when ready and we'll chat in #launchpad then. I have a call in ~45 minutes, but we can talk until then
[09:19] <fta2> ok
[15:52] <fta> dpm, let me know when you have a draft.
[15:53] <dpm> fta, yes, I'm on it, I'll e-mail you for review before publishing anything
[15:54] <fta> dpm, btw, 1 thing that may be worth insisting on: when there's n variables %{xx}, there must be the same %{xx} in the translated strings (as there's a checker at building time, leading to FTBFS)
[15:54] <fta> same n, i meant
[15:55] <fta> dpm, also, where's than html tag, it must stay parsable (there should be very few left). comes to mind the "<!-- x -->" turned into "<!- x ->" which is incorrect => FTBFS
[15:56] <dpm> right, I'll take note of these
[15:56] <dpm> thanks
[15:56] <fta> dpm, i have a sanity checker for that 2nd case, but i reject the faulty strings, it doesn't attempt to fix them
[15:57] <fta> other than that, i have nothing in particular to add
[15:58] <fta> dpm, i keep an eye on http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/chromium/translations/trunk/converter-output.html but i'm not polyglot so i can't judge if lp translations are better or worse than the upstream ones
[16:01] <dpm> fta, I cannot read all languages, but looking at the Spanish translations, it seems that most of the changes in LP are enhancements to the upstream strings
[16:02] <fta> dpm, great. and they are at 100% too :)
[16:03] <dpm> fta, yeah, these guys are always at the top, also for Ubuntu: http://people.ubuntu.com/~dpm/ubuntu-10.10-translation-stats.html
[16:04] <fta> nice
[17:25] <micahg> chrisccoulson: Thunderbird wasn't ready for Natty yet :(
[17:25] <chrisccoulson> micahg - that's ok, it means i have to fix it quicker now ;)
[17:25] <micahg> I'll have a look at that this week
[17:25] <micahg> oh, if you like
[17:26] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'll probably fix it this evening. the armel issue seems to something the linaro guys are aware of already
[17:26] <micahg> chrisccoulson: even on i386
[17:26] <micahg> chrisccoulson: fails in the daily builds as well
[17:27] <chrisccoulson> i'll get i386 and amd64 fixed in a bit, they don't look too difficult to fix
[17:48] <micahg> chrisccoulson: is dehydra something we want to keep? should I request an addition to the packageset?
[17:49] <micahg> I'm wondering how we missed that in Maverick
[17:51]  * micahg guesses doko wanted it :_/
[18:01] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, doko seems to mostly take care of it
[18:09] <micahg> chrisccoulson: so, should I request addition to the packageset though?
[18:32] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, you can request it be added to the packageset if you like
[19:59] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I can take a crack at the armel failure next weekend if the Linaro guys don't get to it first
[20:01] <micahg> if there's not a rush, you can just assign to me and I"ll figure it out


[02:34] <studiobot> Gigi was added by: Gigi
[04:01] <incisor> must be 10 years since i was on irc!  hello to you all....
[04:02] <incisor> does anyone run isyncr ?
 So I did those ppa backport updates or installs on my 19.04. And ever since I shut down my computer, I cannot boot into the OS anymore. There is no grub on my harddive anymore so I cannot boot in any other way or access the shell. So I am kind of dumbfounded on what to do. And I don't want to reinstall as I've got too many important f
[06:42] <studiobot> iles saved on my OS. Granted I could just access another OS and backup the files, but at the same time I use this OS quite a bit. So any help would be appreciated.
[07:42] <M_aD> @Jessedavid4 backports on 19.04? The backports were only meant for the 18.04 release to gain the LTS status and receive updates until 2021.
 @Jessedavid4 [So I did those ppa backport updates or installs on my 19.04. And ever since I sh …], Ah yes. But was having trouble with audio. So Erik said to add them to my 19.04
[14:26] <Eickmeyer> M_aD: The backports are open for 19.04 as well.
 @Jessedavid4 [Ah yes. But was having trouble with audio. So Erik said to add them to my 19.04], I highly doubt the backports would've done that. Had you customized your grub or added anything else?
 I guess it doesn't matter. We need to get your system operational. Do you have any other OSs installed, as in, do you dual-boot?
[14:32] <M_aD> Eickmeyer: thanks, understood
 Windows dual booted on another hard drive.
 Is there a way I can get grub via access to my windows? It's windows 8.1 if that makes a difference. I feel if I can get grub on there, it may fix the problem.
 And correction. It does boot to it, I just no video. And cannot access pointer or keyboard commands. Tried moving around sata chords in different slots (to see if that was the error). And can also try my nvidia gpu to see if it may be a direct graphics related issue.
[18:35] <OvenWerks> Have you tried: during boot hold down shift key?
 Well during boot, I usually just go directly to bios and then select the hard drive I want to use... Kind of my current "grub menu" for selecting OS's.
 The screen isn't black when I boot in either. It's Led black. So it's acting as it isn't there, but it should be past the boot and somewhat on the log in, or just before.
[18:48] <cjoke> Press Ctrl + Alt + T to open the terminal window. In the terminal window type the following command: sudo os-prober and press Enter. If you see it detect Windows 10 then all you have to do is type the command sudo update-grub and press Enter. It will add new entries to the grub menu and update it.
[18:49] <cjoke> Its worth a shoot, dont do any harm , probing for partition.
[18:50] <cjoke> then you dont have to change in bios, since it will write to the bootloader you just booted in.
[18:50] <cjoke> studiobot: ^
 I did that shift, and after that third time for a quick moment it said "loading grub"
 But then went back into the blank screen. I then tried to do the commands you said
[19:14] <Eickmeyer> cjoke: studiobot is an IRC <=> Telegram bridge, so you'd want to ping someone with @name where name is the name given inside the <bracket>.
[19:29] <cjoke> Eickmeyer: yea, it got wierd, so I did check studiobot, and did figure that out lol. So I can talk to @Jessedavid4 by putting @before_nickname ?
[19:34] <cjoke> I got it, its like routin messages between different chatprotocols.
[19:35] <Eickmeyer> cjoke: Exactly. :)
[21:37] <sakrecoer> upgrading to the latest kernel and the terminal window is frozen at 22% "Unpacking linux-headers-5.0.0-21 (5.0.0-21.22) ..."
[21:37] <sakrecoer> eveyrthing except that terminal window is still working
[21:37] <sakrecoer> kinda scared to close it and try again lol
[21:41] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: in another terminal do ls /boot how many kernels do you have in there? Have you run out of diskspace?
[21:42] <sakrecoer> 2 kernels in there 5.0.0.-19 and 20
[21:42] <OvenWerks> I guess I should ask if you have efi (or whatever it is... the new bios stuff)
[21:42] <sakrecoer> legacy boot
[21:43] <OvenWerks> df -h
[21:43] <OvenWerks> shows how much room on /
[21:43] <OvenWerks> (use %)
[21:43] <sakrecoer> 21.9 Gb
[21:43] <sakrecoer> 4% of boot used
[21:43] <sakrecoer> wait..
[21:43] <OvenWerks> that seems small
[21:44] <sakrecoer> seems i am on efi
[21:44] <sakrecoer> /dev/sda1       234M  7,6M  226M   4% /boot/efi
[21:46] <OvenWerks> ya, but there is room on it
[21:47] <sakrecoer> puh... i'm so dumb. i'm in the middle of a production with deadline tomorrow lol
[21:48] <OvenWerks> is there a /boot/grub/grub.conf
[21:48] <sakrecoer> it
[21:48] <sakrecoer> no
[21:48] <sakrecoer> /boot/grub/grub.conf
[21:48] <OvenWerks> sorry grubcfg
[21:48] <sakrecoer>  not there
[21:48] <OvenWerks> grub.cfg
[21:49] <sakrecoer> yes that one is
[21:49] <OvenWerks> what is the date /time on it?
[21:49] <sakrecoer> jul 12th
[21:49] <OvenWerks> I think you should be safe to kill that terminal
[21:50] <OvenWerks> It seems update-grub has not been run yet
[21:50] <sakrecoer> Thanks OvenWerks <3 i'll give it a try... appreciate your assistance wether this works or not :)
[21:51] <OvenWerks> you will likely need to run an apt install -f at some point
[21:51] <OvenWerks> but I would wait till after your deadline
[21:51] <sakrecoer> when you mentioned disk space, i think it could be my drive... it has been giving me attitudes lately...
[21:52] <sakrecoer> should i kill the dpkg process?
[21:52] <OvenWerks> when something stops in the middle of an unpack drive is a good suspect
[21:52] <OvenWerks> I would
[21:52] <OvenWerks> tail /var/log/syslog show anything interesting?
[21:53] <OvenWerks> like failed read/write/seek
[21:53] <OvenWerks> (or dmesg)
[21:54] <sakrecoer> not that i can see
[21:54] <OvenWerks> Those are the normal things I get for a failing drive
[21:55] <sakrecoer> doesn't seem to be that...
[21:56] <sakrecoer> what does the -f flag stand for in apt install?
[21:57] <OvenWerks> fix
[21:57] <sakrecoer> nice :)
[21:57] <sakrecoer> manz thanks OvenWerks
[21:57] <sakrecoer> many even
[21:57] <OvenWerks> It takes whatever install you were part way through and continues
[21:57] <OvenWerks> YW
[21:58] <sakrecoer> need to dive back into that work for tomorrow...
[21:58] <sakrecoer> cya! o/
[21:59] <OvenWerks> o/
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[00:43] <clivejo> I just remembered what I wanted to ask yofel - about the Linode charges on his credit card
[00:44] <clivejo> I'm so dizzy
[00:47] <valorie> clivejo: if I closed your PM it was by mistake, but no reason to talk privately I think?
[00:50] <valorie> tbh I find PMs too easy to overlook
[00:50] <valorie> and not necessary for anything but personal stuff
[11:33] <yofel> clivejo: I forgot to sum that up this weekend, but probably makes most sense when we know their reply to the ticket. If you're curious about numbers: It's 160$ per month (~135€)
[11:43] <clivejo> wow, that's steep to be charged directly to you
 @ahoneybun anything back on that? ⬆
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/hmHqqGqd/file_3467.jpg
 ummmmmmmm........
[14:16] <clivejo> full working week, doesn't look hopeful
[14:16] <acheronuk> we know any on the higher ups?
[14:16] <acheronuk> any of
 We might have to take it down
 take what down?
 The VPS
[14:22] <acheronuk> I won't be uploading anything for 18.04 then
[14:22] <acheronuk> my upload can't handle it
[14:23] <clivejo> I spoke to Robie and that auto dput feature is a long way off too :(
[14:23] <acheronuk> can we make packaging containers on bytemark?
[14:23] <clivejo> I doubt we use 1/4 of the resources we have on it though?
[14:23] <acheronuk> yofel?
 I have a VPS that I use that I'd be willing to give logins for to anyone in ~kubuntu-dev
[14:24] <clivejo> could probably scale it down I reckon
[14:24] <yofel> acheronuk: technically we can, though the setup will have to be a bit different
[14:24] <yofel> there is some unpartitioned space left
[14:25] <acheronuk> that's 2 options then
[14:25] <clivejo> kci update script is on one of those containers too
[14:26] <yofel> note that linode keeps the kci backup right now, so we will need something other than bytemark as a replacement for that
[14:27] <acheronuk> well, I have no clue on VPS shopping :/
[14:29] <clivejo> river is still up
[14:30] <yofel> I personally use scaleway for cheap stuff, but that comes with tradeoff on CPU speed, disk I/O and not very convenient backups
[14:30] <yofel> If you don't go the cloud route you can also find nice things.
[14:31] <yofel> Doesn't change that someone would end up having to pay for it
[14:31] <clivejo> maybe have a word with BS about using that?
[14:31] <clivejo> surely that is why people donate to Kubuntu
[14:33] <clivejo> £10.7k in Kubuntu bank account
[14:33] <yofel> as a backup server river might do the job. For anything else... rather not
[14:34] <clivejo> wow £19.18 for a .co.uk, thats rip off :/
[14:35] <clivejo> ah two years
 http://markshuttleworth.com/archives/1518
[14:36]  * yofel throws broomsticks at Mark
[14:36] <clivejo> no way
[14:36] <clivejo> thats too many characters
[14:36] <yofel> that's what I thought. Read the end :D
[14:37]  * clivejo huffs
[14:37] <clivejo> I never read to the end
[14:39] <clivejo> did you have some kind of change script running to detect that?
[14:40] <clivejo> valorie won't like that
[14:41] <clivejo> dirty dirty mind she has
[14:41] <acheronuk> clivejo: no, just say it mentioned elsewhere
[14:41] <acheronuk> so we will have 'bionic' branches
[14:45] <acheronuk> anyone near? https://twitter.com/linode/status/922807055957839872
 *pokes the Bionic Beaver*
 Looks very realistic
 3.5 years of those jokes!
 :D
 I might tire by then
 But until the big bionic beaver reveal, no way
 I hope I'm still around when Bionic Beaver EOLs
 Y'know, if Snaps haven't eliminated my job yet...
 @acheronuk, No :P
[17:03] <clivejo> I dunno
[17:03] <clivejo> all that sugar and caffeine he might snap himself
 I'd rather be in an AppImage, so I can run everywhere without issue... :P
[17:15]  * clivejo wonders could we hold a release party for 18.04 in Muff, Co Donegal
 (Photo, 717x536) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/jncRP0NN/file_3474.jpg
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/kvy0UpKf/file_3476.jpg
 \o/ 12 months
[18:59] <clivejo> yippeee
[19:00] <clivejo> That's a considerable donation, maybe we should blog about it and write a bit about what we use it for?
[19:01] <clivejo> who are https://cms2cms.com/ ?
[19:02] <acheronuk> we should definitely give them some bang for those bucks!
[19:02] <clivejo> definately
[19:39] <valorie> **I** have a dirty mind?
[19:39] <valorie> evidence suggests it's CLIVE with the dirty mind
 @valorie, *RIK
[19:39] <valorie> lol
[19:39] <valorie> bionic beaver release party in Muff
[19:39] <valorie> good lord
[19:40] <valorie> ahoneybun: that is awesome!
 Ours will be LFNW weekend valorie :D
[19:41] <valorie> omg I can see the smirks now
[19:41] <valorie> damn that Mark
[19:41] <ahoneybun> I might know a program call Muff
[19:42] <ahoneybun> lol
[19:42] <ahoneybun> valorie: I know right!
[19:42] <ahoneybun> make a blog post clivejo
[19:42] <valorie> "finally a release for all you lesbian Linuxers"
 Lol
[19:49] <valorie> oregon will love it
[19:49] <valorie> wxl: ^^^
[19:53] <wxl> heck yes :)
 Hehehehehehe
 valorie: Washington is beautiful, I'm longing to go back
[19:58] <valorie> sunshine today!
[19:58] <valorie> after well over a week and inches of rain
[19:58] <valorie> rain again tomorrow, but sun today!
[20:46] <valorie> http://www.webtender.com/db/drink/4197
[20:47] <acheronuk> that will either be amazing or make you sick!
[20:53] <valorie> probably one is amazing
[20:53] <valorie> two makes ya barf
[20:54] <valorie> Busch beer
[20:54] <valorie> that part made me laugh
 @ahoneybun is that 12 months from now, so we have to arrange to pay yofel for what he has paid already?
 or is it backdated, and they will refunf him?
[21:09] <ahoneybun> not sure about the refund
[21:09] <ahoneybun> just take from the fund
[21:09] <ahoneybun> I'd like him to get paid back
[21:09] <acheronuk> yeah, he will. just which way
[21:15] <valorie> we should think about the future -- it's an amazing offer, but do we need such an expensive service?
[21:18] <clivejo> leave that decision for next years council
[21:20]  * clivejo is glad his finger is returning to normal
[21:40] <yofel> not something that expensive, but yeah, lets talk about that next year
[21:45] <valorie> perhaps by then we'll have our toolchain more stable and more of an idea what we want
[21:46] <valorie> would be cool to have santa working on our pre-upload testing on our own servers
[21:46] <valorie> so that more people can contribute to that effort
[21:47] <valorie> what didja do to your finger, clivejo?
[21:47] <clivejo> hammered it
[21:47] <valorie> yikes!
[21:47]  * valorie makes clivejo a pitcher of bionic beaver
[21:47] <clivejo> mmmmmmm
[21:47]  * clivejo licks lips
 Just got my temps :D :D :D
[21:48] <valorie> omg, everybody stay off the road!!!!!
[21:48] <clivejo> what are temps?
[21:49] <valorie> @tsimonq2 -- your temporary driver's license?
[21:50] <clivejo> I find that so strange
[21:50] <clivejo> you can drive so young, but can't drink or vote :/
 @valorie, Yes
 @valorie, Lol
[21:53] <valorie> you can legally carry a gun much earlier than that!
[21:53] <valorie> the US is sorta backwards
[21:53] <valorie> "can't" legally drink
[21:54] <valorie> 18-year-olds can vote
[21:54] <clivejo> but Simon is 15?
[21:54] <valorie> some states have a learner's permit
[21:54] <clivejo> I could drive a tractor at 16
[21:54] <valorie> not a license as such, since you must have a licensed driver in the car with you
[21:55] <valorie> I don't think tractor driving even needs a license in this state
[21:55] <clivejo> took it to town one day, took me an hour!
[21:55] <valorie> even on the public roads
[21:55] <valorie> which -- a tractor can be dangerous
[21:55] <valorie> a bit crazy
[21:56] <clivejo> indeed they can
[21:56] <valorie> of course so are cars, so there ya go
[21:56] <clivejo> I knocked my grandfathers shed down :/
[21:56] <valorie> time to learn how to build a shed I guess
 @valorie, Yep learners permit :D
[22:06] <clivejo> but thanks to the EU, I can no longer pull a cattle trailer or drive a tractor over certain limits
[22:10] <clivejo> can only legally drive one out of seven of my cousins tractors
[22:10] <valorie> it's sunny, so I'll go out and hunt dandelions one last time
[23:41] <valorie> now that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule has been updated, I've also updated our Kubuntu calendar
[23:43] <clivejo> which calendar?
[23:43] <clivejo> your Google one?
[23:43] <valorie> yes
[23:45] <clivejo> do you know how to update https://kubuntu.org/calendar ?
[23:45] <valorie> I don't
[23:45] <valorie> can it import a gcalendar?
[23:46] <clivejo> it could if it gets the correct URL
[23:46] <clivejo> but I couldn't get it to work with the one you gave me
[23:47] <valorie> oh, I found how to export it
[23:47] <valorie> sheesh
[23:47] <clivejo> got a url?
[23:49] <valorie> I think I'll share it with the council, not just aaron
[23:50] <valorie> oh, export gives me a zip file
[23:52] <valorie> I'll send it to you, but it looks like it zipped my cal and my husband's in there too
[23:52] <valorie> I assume you can just get the kubuntu one out
[23:52] <clivejo> there should be a feed url
[23:54] <valorie> sent to your gmail
[23:55] <valorie> Calendar ID<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:55] <valorie> I think
[23:56] <clivejo> https://en.support.wordpress.com/widgets/upcoming-events/
[23:56] <clivejo> Getting a Calendar Link
[23:56] <clivejo> and the Green ICAL button
[23:58] <valorie> https://calendar.google.com/calendar/ical/h6tbvu3gk2g1r36rfrd0hjclp0%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics


[00:22] <ESphynx> Yay :) it built!
[01:19] <UndiFineD> :)
[02:14] <ESphynx> Ok so my Oneiric build failed :|
[02:15] <ESphynx> most likely because of the messed up symlink :|
[02:15] <ESphynx> for ffi.h
[02:16] <ESphynx> when I build manually, I have to do a: sudo ln -s /usr/include/i686-linux-gnu/ffi.h /usr/include/ ; sudo ln -s /usr/include/i686-linux-gnu/ffitarget.h /usr/include/
[02:17] <ESphynx> or /usr/include/i386-linux-gnu/ I guess ?
[02:17] <ESphynx> How should I go about addressing that issue? (That's when cross-building for 32 bit on 64 bit oneiric)
[02:18] <ESphynx> I have lib32ffi-dev [amd64] in the debian/control file, but I'm guessing that the ffi package messed up and put under i686-linux-gnu instead of i386 ...
[02:18] <jtaylor> why do you need to cross build on oneiric?
[02:19] <ESphynx> well, on precise I just do the i386 build
[02:19] <ESphynx> and I guess 64 bit systems can still pull it
[02:19] <jtaylor> yes
[02:19] <ESphynx> but on oneiric, it worked until I added this libffi...
[02:19] <ESphynx> So since I could do it, I did it.
[02:19] <ESphynx> it's nice to know it can successfully be built on a 64 bit system.
[02:20] <ESphynx> as users on oneiric 64 bit might want to build it from source.
[02:20] <jtaylor> they can in a 32 bit chroot
[02:20] <ESphynx> they can also in a 64 bit system
[02:20] <ESphynx> not chroot.
[02:20] <ESphynx> chroot is overrated.
[02:20] <ESphynx> is there a way for me to add this missing include symlink?
[02:21] <ESphynx> setting up a chroot is an unnecessary burden for my users... and something that might carry them away from my software :P
[02:21] <jtaylor> why does it not compile on 64  bit?
[02:22] <ESphynx> jtaylor: no 64 bit support yet :)
[02:22] <ESphynx> Support is planned but will take a lot of dev time :P
[02:22] <ESphynx> all I need is to create that proper ffi.h symlink :P
[02:23] <ESphynx> heck, I could just add an -isystem to my makefiles.
[02:23] <ESphynx> to  /usr/include/i686-linux-gnu/
[02:23] <jtaylor> the symlink is there in oneiric
[02:24] <jtaylor> wrong include path is easily worked around with CPPFLAGS
[02:34] <ESphynx> jtaylor: the symlink from where to where have you got?
[02:34] <jtaylor> .so to .so.X
[02:34] <ESphynx> jtaylor: no i'm talking about the ffi.h
[02:34] <jtaylor> its in lib32
[02:35] <jtaylor> the headers are in i686
[02:35] <ESphynx> right... and that's not in the path
[02:35] <jtaylor> then add it
[02:35] <ESphynx> they should be in i386-linux-gnu, should they not?
[02:35] <jtaylor> yes and they are in precise
[02:35] <jtaylor> pre precise it is not multiarched
[02:36] <jtaylor> only the old biarch
[02:36] <ESphynx> they are in precise eh? It's strange cuz yesterday someone had that same problem on Mint 13... and before someone on Precise...
[02:36] <ESphynx> ok
[02:36] <jtaylor> (which is probably defined as i686)
[02:36] <ESphynx> so I'll just go ahead and tweak the makefiles
[02:36] <ESphynx> (my makefiles don't use CFLAGS from outside :P)
[02:36] <jtaylor> thats a bug
[02:37] <ESphynx> is it? ;)
[02:37] <ESphynx> I hate outside factors messing up a build :P
[02:37] <ESphynx> besides I can defend it on the fact of not being C ;)
[02:38] <jtaylor> CFLAGS is compiler flags
[02:38] <jtaylor> CPPFLAGS is preprocessor flags
[02:38] <ESphynx> ;)
[02:38] <ESphynx> i'm not familiar with CPPFLAGS tbh ;) first time I hear it
[02:38] <ESphynx> is that a standard configure thing? where does it come from?
[02:39] <jtaylor> its a autotools thing
[02:39] <ESphynx> k... well I'm not using autotools...
[02:39] <ESphynx> am I bound to accept CPPFLAGS? ;)
[02:39] <jtaylor> no
[02:39] <ESphynx> ah :)
[02:39] <ESphynx> hehe thanks for all the help jtaylor! appreciate it :)
[02:40] <ESphynx> i'll get dinner ready and then fix my preprocessor flags :P
[02:40] <ESphynx> is there still hope to make it into Quantal? :)
[02:40] <jtaylor> feature freeze is aug 23
[02:40] <ESphynx> ugg that is soon.
[02:40] <jtaylor> but you still need to find reviewers which is hard
[02:40] <jtaylor> so its tight
[02:40] <ESphynx> are you a reviewer? ;)
[02:41] <jtaylor> if I find the time
[02:41] <jtaylor> whats the package about?
[02:41] <ESphynx> It's the Ecere SDK... a cross platform SDK with GUI toolkit, network library, 2D/3D graphics engine, compiler for the eC language
[02:41] <ESphynx> we've been hoping to get into Ubuntu for quite a while...
[02:42] <ESphynx> (note GCC 4.7 fails on the build... trying to fix that tonight :P)
[02:43] <ESphynx> I would really appreciate help to get this in :)
[02:43] <ESphynx> whatever I can do!
[03:01] <micahg> well, there's always backports if you miss feature freeze
[04:32] <ESphynx> micahg: Do Backports till make it into the official release?
[04:33] <micahg> ESphynx: backports is enabled by default, so people can see it, it's not officially part of the release though (and can't be on any of the main images)
[04:34] <ESphynx> oh :( i'd really like to be part of the release though :(
[04:34] <ESphynx> we've been trying hard @ it since Karmic Koala :(
[04:34] <micahg> ESphynx: I don't think it makes a difference unless you're trying to get it on an image
[04:34] <ESphynx> yes I'd like to be on the CD :P
[04:34] <micahg> ESphynx: which CD?
[04:34] <ESphynx> hmm... the 1 CD ideally :P
[04:34] <ESphynx> or DVD :P
[04:35] <micahg> Ubuntu doesn't have that like Debian
[04:35] <ESphynx> where do dev apps go?
[04:35] <ESphynx> hmm, I have an Ubuntu CD here
[04:35] <ESphynx> 9.04 I think ?
[04:35] <micahg> no, I mean Ubuntu doesn't have the whole archive on media
[04:35] <ESphynx> right, but it's got some stuff, right? :)
[04:36] <micahg> to get something on an image, there has to be a request for it, the primary images (flavors included) are all tight on space except maybe Ubuntu Studio
[04:36] <ESphynx> I'll settle for Ubuntu Studio I guess ;)
[04:37] <ESphynx> but anyway, I'd really like to make it to feature freeze :P
[04:37] <ESphynx> but jtaylor ran away :P
[04:37] <ESphynx> micahg are you a potential reviewer as well? :)
[04:38] <micahg> ESphynx: yeah, but just FWIW, I don't see this being included on any media, it's fine for the archive though (in theory, I've done no review)
[04:39] <ESphynx> micahg: hey, I can dream ;)
[04:39] <ESphynx> I'll start with being on the archive ;)
[04:39] <ESphynx> Seriously, eC is an amazing programming language.
[04:40] <ESphynx> with less popularity than it deserves :P
[04:40] <ESphynx> And so is the Ecere GUI/toolkit ;)
[04:40] <micahg> I'm not sure any of the flavors ship an IDE at all
[04:40] <ESphynx> hmm, I'm sure they do?
[04:40] <ESphynx> KDevelop etc.
[04:40] <ESphynx> Python support?
[04:40] <ESphynx> I'm sure the distros come with Python support?
[04:40] <micahg> I don't think that's on any media though
[04:41] <ESphynx> in terms of space, the SDK is tiny...
[04:41] <ESphynx> we're talking < 10mb
[04:41] <micahg> we have many in the archive, just none on shipped media
[04:41] <ESphynx> K.... I sure would have thought some IDEs shipped with it!
[04:42] <ESphynx> Would you potentially have time to do a review? :)
[10:19] <smartboyhw> green7: You here?
[10:19] <green7> yup
[10:20] <smartboyhw> Did you ask them?
[10:20] <green7> I'm asking
[10:20] <green7> need some help in beginning development.
[10:49] <green7> can anyone help me in starting development?
[10:52] <micahg> this happens to be one of the few times during the week when very few people are around
[10:53] <green7> well, can you help me?
[10:54] <micahg> I'm very close to going to sleep, but what do you mean by development (Ubuntu, Ubuntu App, general)?
[10:54] <green7> Ubuntu
[10:54] <iulian> To start with, have a look at the links from the topic.
[10:54] <iulian> Specifically, the contributing one.
[10:55] <green7> Well, the Ubuntu wiki has so much links!
[10:55] <iulian> That's a good thing, isn't it?
[10:55] <green7> Nope! It's very confusing!
[10:56] <green7> When I'm close to reading half the page, it directs me to take a look a t some other page.
[10:57] <iulian> green7: Well, then read that page and come back.
[10:58] <green7> OK. I want to fix the bugs and probably write some patches. What should I read? The MOTU wiki?
[10:58] <iulian> There's way too much stuff going on to just have one single page. And thus, we've structured it as much as we could.
[10:58] <iulian> green7: Yes. That'd be a good place to start.
[10:58] <green7> All right.
[11:00] <iulian> If you have any questions, feel free to ask them here and we shall try to point you in the right direction.
[11:00] <green7> okay, thanks
[12:15] <green7> hello again
[12:15] <green7> got a question
[12:19] <green7> join #ubuntu-devel
[13:46] <green7> got a question
[13:47] <smartboyhw> green7: Clearly it is still me here
[13:47] <green7> so I've read the MOTU wiki
[13:47] <green7> and I'm ready for packaging
[13:47] <smartboyhw> OK
[13:47] <smartboyhw> OK
[13:48] <green7> The question is that there are many requests for packaging, and some of them already have their ppa, so what's the point of packaging?
[13:48] <smartboyhw> Don't ask me, ask the others
[13:48] <green7> I'm asking everyone
[13:48] <smartboyhw> They are not awake:)
[13:49] <smartboyhw> green7: Also it's Sunday
[13:49] <green7> yep
[13:51] <green7> do you know what's the difference between the packager and the maintainer?
[13:51] <smartboyhw> green7: I am only good at testing
[13:51] <green7> okay
[14:47] <green7> I cannot debuild a code
[15:29] <green7> I need some help in debuilding a package
[15:30] <smartboyhw> green7: This is Sunday!!!!
[15:31] <green7> not a single person works on sunday?
[15:32] <smartboyhw> NO!
[15:40] <ESphynx> I do :)
[15:40] <smartboyhw> Good!
[15:41] <ESphynx> I have to rewrite my code generator to work with GCC 4.7 though :P
[15:48] <codemaniac> smartboyhw: a lot of people work on Sundays for the community . :)
[15:48] <smartboyhw> Oh, do they
[15:48] <codemaniac> as weekdays are full of work on work .
[15:49] <green7> right