[01:30]  * genii makes coffee
[03:49] <BobJonkman1> genii! Good to see you!  Too late for coffee though
[04:03] <OO-Dragon> hi all
[04:04] <OO-Dragon> so who is here tonight?
[04:21] <OO-Dragon> so any one hear of this new thing called Ubuntu?
[05:26] <BobJonkman1> OO-Dragon:  :P
[05:26] <BobJonkman1> Software Freedom Day in Kitchener on Saturday! Who's coming? http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2013/Canada/Kitchener/Kwartzlab
[05:28] <genii> I have to save my cash for coffee and cupcakes on release day... :(
[05:46] <OO-Dragon> that's a bit far for me
[05:46] <OO-Dragon> being in BC and all


[04:24] <zeeman> hi
[04:24] <zeeman> Everybody AWESOME?
[04:27] <jose> Hello, zeeman. How may I help?
[04:28] <zeeman> How can i setup ?
[04:28] <zeeman> VPN client
[04:28] <zeeman> on ubuntu ?
[04:32] <jose> zeeman: Please, go to #ubuntu for support, type /join #ubuntu


[05:20] <soreau> IdleOne: Longer than what, a week?
[05:21] <rww> hrm?
[05:21] <soreau> ermhrm
[05:22] <rww> soreau: something we can help you with?
[05:23] <soreau> rww: Yes, I am banned from #ubuntu+1 and wanted to see about getting it lifted
[05:25] <IdleOne> soreau: heya
[05:25] <IdleOne> How you doing?
[05:25] <soreau> Ok for now I guess
[05:26] <IdleOne> So, here is the thing. I'll remove the ban but this is the last time I am going to remove a ban set by a different op on you.
[05:26] <IdleOne> You realize that there are so many chances we can give you
[05:27] <IdleOne> also, anytime you feel the need to vent, yell, swear. do it in a PM to yourself :)
[05:28] <soreau> You know I don't mean any harm but pmming myself is like saying go-f-yourself
[05:29] <IdleOne> yeah I know but the ubuntu channels is really not the right place to let it out
[05:29] <soreau> ok
[05:30] <IdleOne> soreau: PM me if you ever need to talk or just vent.
[05:30] <IdleOne> ban is lifted.
[05:30] <soreau> I appreciate your patience btw.. you guys seem to have the ability to handle extremely fragile situations very well
[05:30] <soreau> I, on the other hand, do not :P
[05:30] <IdleOne> hah!
[05:30] <soreau> IdleOne: Ok thanks
[05:30] <soreau> It will mean a lot to me
[05:31] <soreau> if I can vent to you :/
[05:31] <IdleOne> anytime, if I don't respond to it don't get insulted :)
[05:31] <soreau> I only expect you to keep on idlin
[05:52] <bazhang> is radios the .pt problem user?
[05:54] <rww> Ident matches Redmono and Plutu (who I vaguely remember getting actioned), so I'd guess so.
[05:55] <bazhang> there's a ton of problem nicks from that range
[05:55] <rww> nod. It's been annoying me and I don't know what to do about it.
[05:56] <rww> They change ident and nick and realname, and the IP address changes wildly, so there's nothing for a ban to latch on to unless I ban the whole ISP, which I've considered doing.
[05:56] <rww> or maybe I'm connecting dots that shouldn't be and they're different people. I really don't know.
[05:57] <Jordan_U> Can we make Floodbot warn in #ubuntu-ops-monitor whenever someone joins from that range?
[05:57] <rww> bazhang: heh, guest-dude-with-sean-ident appeared in -ot after you mentioned them.
[05:58] <bazhang> rww, heh yeah. my prescience is in overdrive
[06:00] <rww> Jordan_U: nope
[06:00] <rww> bazhang: but yeah, as far as telepac goes, there are too many users that can't reasonably be tied to the one person I assume exists and is hopping IP addresses :(
[06:01] <bazhang> yep
[06:18] <bazhang> ouch. that user just /amsg'd a ton of channels
[12:36] <ikonia> Pici: I love that, "I'm running blind here and it still doesn't work"......maybe that's because your doing this blind with no idea
[12:45] <bazhang> cherokee signs?
[12:55] <bazhang> no idea where to point lalitha in -irc
[12:56] <bazhang> linux chat server with windows client?
[12:58] <Pici> jrib: some vpses configure their ubuntu installs differently.
[12:59] <Pici> linode (which everyone loves) comes with a root password by default :(
[12:59] <jrib> Pici: yeah just wanted to make sure he wasn't referring to his user as root
[12:59] <Pici> jrib: okay :)
[13:13] <bazhang> MUILTFN_, hi
[13:16] <Pici> !prayer
[13:17] <IdleOne> Ahman
[13:18] <Pici> so say we all
[14:36]  * rww ponders writing a "how to undo the damage that Linode does to their Debian and Ubuntu images" guide at some point
[14:39] <Pici> there is one floating out there.
[14:40] <Pici> rww: http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2008/10/27/notes-from-setting-up-ubuntu-server-on-linode/
[14:41] <rww> yeah, I've seen that. it's missing some stuff and includes some unrelated stuff, though. e.g. I think Linode has things set to not install recommended packages by default, that sort of thing.
[14:45] <rww> hrm, maybe a "how to not use the built-in Debian image and roll through debian-installer on your own on Linode" post would be better. if that's even possible, iono.
[16:54] <jpds> [Freenode] [ ~capntrade!~trade@2001:470:c475:3133:7:f:e:d  ] not for long
[16:54] <Pici> bleh
[16:54] <jpds> Challange accepted.
 have you ever had sex with a man?
[16:55] <Pici> How pleasant.
 i hear you have to to be a ubuntu member
[16:57] <jpds> 16:56:04 <~capntrade> naw, i'll just evade and troll even harder next time
[16:57] <jpds> 16:56:13 <~capntrade> fuck you and your illusion of power
[16:57] <jpds> 16:56:43 <~capntrade> http://blog.feenode.net/?p=1272 for why
[16:58] <IdleOne> don't click it
[16:58] <IdleOne> you probably know that already
[16:58] <Pici> I did.
[16:58] <marienz> don't click anything below feenode.net, yes
[16:58] <Pici> I misread.
[16:58] <marienz> and thanks for reporting
[16:58] <IdleOne> Pici: me too
[16:58] <Pici> Chrome handled it well though.
[16:58] <IdleOne> yup
[16:58] <IdleOne> so did chromium
[17:00] <popey> so did wget
[17:00] <popey> :)
[17:01] <jpds> Yay for NoScript
[17:02] <IdleOne> where is genii when you need a coffee :/
[17:02] <jpds> IdleOne: The US?
[17:03] <IdleOne> that doesn't help my coffee situation
[17:03] <jpds> IdleOne: There's no coffee in the US?
[17:04] <IdleOne> sure there is
[17:04] <IdleOne> I'm not in the US though
[17:07]  * genii-around slides IdleOne a large, delicious, lifegiving coffee
[17:19]  * IdleOne sips
[17:19] <IdleOne> thank you good sir
[17:19] <genii-around> IdleOne: Anytime
[17:44] <ikonia> hello capntrade
[17:45] <capntrade> unban me now
[17:45] <ikonia> whoa, err hang on
[17:45] <ikonia> why where you banned ?
[17:46] <capntrade> unban me now
[17:46] <IdleOne> capntrade: please change the attitude
[17:46] <ikonia> capntrade: ok, lets try to resolve this, why where you banned ?
[17:46] <capntrade> unban me now
[17:46] <ikonia> ok, converstion over, good bye
[17:47] <capntrade> unban me now
[17:47] <capntrade> unban me now
[17:47] <IdleOne> capntrade: are you willing to discuss this with ikonia ?
[17:48] <marienz> hmm, "conversation"
[17:48] <ikonia> marienz: oops, yes
[17:48] <marienz> I didn't mean the spelling
[17:48] <IdleOne> please remind me to remove that ban in a few hours
[17:48] <marienz> I mean this wasn't much of one
[17:48] <ikonia> no, leave it, I won't remind you ;)
[17:49] <IdleOne> hehe
[17:49] <IdleOne> conversation continues in PM
[17:50] <ikonia> and for me, ignoring
[17:50] <IdleOne> lots of unban me now
[17:50] <ikonia> ignoring it
[17:50] <IdleOne> yup same here
[17:52] <ikonia> heads up on ubuntu-women
[17:52] <ikonia> pleia2: ping ^
[17:52] <pleia2> thanks, I'll keep an eye out
[17:52] <ikonia> get ready for "unban me now" then a follow up on ban in pm
[17:54] <marienz> can someone prod me if he hits another channel and I don't notice it?
[17:54] <ikonia> just the ubuntu ones at the moment
[17:54] <ikonia> removed from offtopic and women
[17:55] <jpds> So much for "<~capntrade> i can evade that ban in 2 seconds"
[17:55] <ikonia> he's l33t
[17:55] <marienz> well, perhaps a little longer than two seconds, but yes
[17:55] <IdleOne> for the record it has been 8 minutes of "unban me now" in PM
[17:55] <IdleOne> ongoing
[17:56] <jpds> IdleOne: Be thankful you don't have what I have from him in PM.
[17:56] <ikonia> I'm curious to how far he can go as he's doing the pair of us
[17:56] <jpds> "<~capntrade> eat plagues of giant ******" - been going on for ages now.
[18:00] <mrmist> i guess i was lucky enough to have annoyed him sufficiently for him to stop talking
[18:02] <marienz> he's been asking me for my help for the last couple of minutes
[18:03] <IdleOne> help him off the network
[18:05] <jpds> marienz: Do it.
[18:07] <marienz> is he still talking to anyone in here?
[18:07] <ikonia> pm'ing me
[18:07] <IdleOne> me too
[18:07] <ikonia> sory
[18:07] <ikonia> "un ban me"
[18:07] <ikonia> unban me now
[18:07] <ikonia> sorry
[18:07] <IdleOne> 20 minutes
[18:08] <ikonia> there we go....
[18:09] <IdleOne> let's see if he is more responsive this time
[18:11] <Pici> I doubt it.
[18:11] <jpds> IdleOne: That was no way a few hours right there.
[18:11] <IdleOne> agreed but we are to catalyse and offer a place for resolution
[18:11] <IdleOne> right?
[18:12] <IdleOne> so if it continues when he returns I'll remember to !appeal before kb
[18:12] <ikonia> I wouldn't
[18:12] <ikonia> why invite him through a pointless process for other people
[18:12] <Pici> Anyone who hands out the 'feenode' links doesn't exactly get that privilege in my book, but whatever.
[18:13] <IdleOne> the nays have it
[18:21]  * gnomefreak scared :(, but what is feenode?
[18:22] <IdleOne> nothing you want to click
[18:22] <gnomefreak> works for me, thanks
[18:40] <oCean> notice Jak3 returned in #u
[18:41] <ikonia> ?
[18:41] <ikonia> is he not meant to be
[18:41] <oCean> cdbs showed him out yesterday
[18:41] <ikonia> he's not showing up as banned
[18:41] <ikonia> kicked or banned ?
[18:41] <oCean> got pretty nasty
[18:41] <cdbs> yes, I banned him yesterday
[18:41] <cdbs> I remember distinctly
[18:42] <oCean> so do I :(
[18:42] <cdbs> he is evading the ban
[18:42] <oCean> anyway, he's not making it a secret he returned.. :/
[18:42] <ikonia> lets find out, thanks oCean
[18:42] <IdleOne> he is using a different ip
[18:42] <IdleOne> 38492
[18:43] <oCean> Ok. Bye
[18:43] <cdbs> So, it means
[18:43] <cdbs>  /removeban?
[18:43] <IdleOne> cdbs: no
[18:43] <Jak3> i have joined
[18:43] <ikonia> hi Jak3 thanks for joining
[18:43] <Jak3> no problem
[18:43] <Jak3> just one thing.... y am i here?
[18:43] <ikonia> cdbs: would you like to talk to Jak3 or would you like me to ?
[18:44] <ikonia> usr13: can we help ?
[18:44] <cdbs> oops, my mistake
[18:44] <ikonia> ?
[18:44] <cdbs> of putting +z
[18:44] <ikonia> Jak3: be with you in one moment if you could please hang on
[18:44] <Jak3> lol.... silence
[18:44] <Jak3> ok
[18:45] <ikonia> Jak3: not ignoring you, won't be one moment
[18:45] <Jak3> o problem
[18:45] <Jak3> ok i understand
[18:45] <ikonia> usr13: hello ? do you need something ?
[18:45] <usr13> ikonia: not atm
[18:45] <ikonia> usr13: ok, then if you don't need anything could you please leave the channel, as this channel is for issue resolution only
[18:45] <usr13> np
[18:46] <ikonia> Jak3: apologies for the delay there
[18:46] <Jak3> ah.... i understand... my bad language.... sorry that was my lil bro..... he apologized last night
[18:46] <Jak3> its ok
[18:46] <ikonia> Jak3: I've asked you to join this channel, to discuss a few minor problems we've had with you in the channel, and hopefully resolve them
[18:47] <Jak3> yes i know what happened..... bad language.... threats......
[18:47] <ikonia> ok, so what's going on there ?
[18:47] <Jak3> ?
[18:47] <ikonia> you're asking for #ubuntu to support backtrack-linux and seem to keep asking if people need help, despite being told, if they need help, they will ask for it
[18:47] <ikonia> and as you said, the swearing etc
[18:48] <Jak3> yes....
[18:48] <ikonia> ok, you where also banned from the channel, and have attmpted to get around that ban with an IP change (intentionally or not)
[18:48] <ikonia> so what's causing this behaviour and can we please try and get you to stop  ?
[18:49] <Jak3> yes i will stop.... it was just a time of anger and stress and i was also tired....
[18:49] <ikonia> ok, a moment ago you told us that was your brother
[18:49] <ikonia> now you're telling us it was you ?
[18:50] <ikonia> (it's a lot easier if you're just honest)
[18:50] <Jak3> look i will stop going on the channel(s)
[18:50] <Jak3> i am being honest... it WAS me
[18:50] <ikonia> that's not what I'm asking for, you're welcome to use the channels if you can follow the rules
[18:50] <ikonia> ok, thank you for being honest, that's easier to have a discussion with
[18:50] <Jak3> ok what are the rules?
[18:50] <ikonia> !guidelines | Jak3
[18:51] <Jak3> thank you
[18:51] <ikonia> the channel is also governed by a code of conduct
[18:51] <ikonia> !coc | Jak3
[18:51] <Jak3> i just needed help
[18:51] <ikonia> I fully understand you need help and I want to get it to you
[18:51] <ikonia> but you must understand #ubuntu does not support backtrack-linux
[18:51] <Jak3> i am reading.... i will be a couple of mins
[18:51] <ikonia> I gave you channel for #backtrack-linux yesterday and you where rude to me
[18:52] <ikonia> if you needed help that bad why did you not join the correct channel and ask for help, instead of going off at people ?
[18:52] <Jak3> i needed help on my behavoir
[18:52] <ikonia> ok, so what can we do to help you keep in line with the ubuntu IRC rules ?
[18:52] <Jak3> ok 2 second i need to read the rules, OK?
[18:52] <ikonia> that's fine, no rush
[18:52] <Jak3> can you get someone to monitor me?
[18:53] <ikonia> I'm sorry no
[18:53] <ikonia> it's up to the individual to take responsability/ownership for their actions
[18:55] <Jak3> ok, no swearing, no bullying, no threats, no copyright...... i understand.... the admins must take control of the behavouir of members of chat rooms and the individual must be responsible for his/her's actions.... i am dearly sorry about this incident ikonia
[18:55] <ikonia> ok, and remember, the channel is for ubuntu support only, not backtrack
[18:55] <ikonia> if people need/want help, they will ask for it, you don't have to go prodding for it
[18:55] <Jak3> yes.... i must keep that in mind.....
[18:55] <ikonia> thank you
[18:56] <ikonia> I'll remove the mute I've just put on you, and the ban from the other day, if you have any questions or problems, just join this channel and ask, and we can help you with your bahviour issues
[18:56] <Jak3> may i go.... to the backtrack channel?
[18:56] <ikonia> yes, I gave you the backtrack linux channels yesterday
[18:57] <Jak3> thank you... yes i remember.... my hash button is not working.... can you help.... only if you want....
[18:57] <Pici> #backtrack-linux
[18:57] <IdleOne> !backtrack
[18:58] <Jak3> yes sorry
[18:58] <IdleOne> type /join #backtrack-linux
[18:58] <Jak3> goodbye.... will you always be here?
[18:58] <ikonia> Jak3: great. I've removed the ban and mute in #ubuntu, and you can join #backtrack-linux when you want, remember this channel can help you with the rules of the #ubuntu channels
[18:58] <ikonia> Jak3: someone is normally here and active yes
[18:58] <IdleOne> if God has any pity on us, no.
[18:58] <Jak3> OK, goodbye
[18:58] <ikonia> Jak3: appreciate the honesty
[18:59] <ikonia> nice to have a simple resolution
[18:59] <Pici> !prayer > IdleOne
[18:59] <IdleOne> I Ahman'ed that earlier
[18:59] <ikonia> I'm off home, laters all
[18:59] <Pici> I saw
[19:00] <IdleOne> later ikonia
[19:00] <IdleOne> I hope for the day we don't need ops on irc, a universe where people are nice and follow the rules...
[19:02] <IdleOne> store run
[19:06] <Jak3> is there a monitor here?
[19:06] <Jak3> i need to talk
[19:06] <Pici> Er, what do you mean?
[19:06] <Jak3> i need something to relieve my stress
[19:07] <Pici> Jak3: What does that have to do with IRC issue resolution?
[19:07] <Jak3> people are stressing me out.... i need to calm down
[19:07] <Pici> Jak3: Are you just looking for a chat channel?
[19:08] <Pici> Non-support?
[19:08] <Jak3> what a issue channel you are!!!!
[19:09] <Pici> uh?
[19:09] <KB1JWQ> Okay then...
[19:37] <Pici> Heh.  I like ubottu's new !test


[00:02] <brousch__> Heh, this was in my FB feed just now. Well-targetted, jcastro https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/12/15/get-50-off-linux-foundation-training-and-certification/
[00:19] <cmaloney> heh
[13:36] <cmaloney> Happy Friday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwhLBqG1qxw
[17:07] <jrwren> "Except where otherwise noted, blueprints are licensed under CC0." nicely done AWS lambda
[17:11] <greg-g> nice
[17:11] <greg-g> cmaloney: I hope that is Rebecca Black
[17:58] <cmaloney> greg-g: Totally


[13:38] <locodir-user> hello
[14:17] <reya276> Morning, Do anyone here knows how to fix this Upstart issue http://pastebin.com/Z5pDBGNS


[00:06] <lfaraone> crimsun_: re our discussion of building in tmpfs etc, is it feasible to use sbuild + aufs's setup with piuparts? Right now piuparts only works OOTB with pbuilder chroots.
[00:21] <SpamapS> ugh.. scons is.. weird
[00:43] <jo-erlend> sync-ui is not installable because of a dependency issue. This is the right channel for packaging issues?
[02:45] <ScottK> jo-erlend: If it's about packaging for Ubuntu Universe/Multiverse, yes.
[03:52] <gilbert> ScottK: i did mean maverick.  what should i do about #611446?
[03:52] <ScottK> gilbert: What was the bug again?
[03:52] <gilbert> 611446
[03:56] <gilbert> any thoughts?  i think the only solution is a rollback to lucid
[04:08] <ScottK> This is the xpdf one?
[04:08] <ScottK> It would be very unusual for us to do this.
[04:09]  * ScottK looks at the bug.
[04:11] <ScottK> gilbert: If I understand the bug correctly, 3.02-2 works and 3.02-11 doesn't, right?
[04:11] <ScottK> Have you reviewed the diff to see what might be the source of the problem?
[04:23] <gilbert> ScottK: i'm the debian maintainer, and i converted the package to use poppler.  that works just fine on debian, but will not work on ubuntu for some reason.  my best guess is that there are issues with your fontconfig
[04:23] <gilbert> ScottK: i'm just trying to help you all out so you don't ship a completely broken package
[04:24] <gilbert> ScottK: i've recompiled lucid's 3.02-2ubuntu1 on maverick, and it works fine.  if i uploaded that as version 3.02-9+reverted3.02-2ubuntu1, would it be possible to get a freeze exception to include that working version in maverick?
[04:36] <ScottK> gilbert: I appreciate your efforts on our behalf.
[04:37] <ScottK> gilbert: Sure.  Are there no changes from -2 through -9 you'd keep?
[04:37] <ScottK> gilbert: I'd just call it 3.02-9ubuntu1 and just describe the reversions in debian/changelog.
[04:38] <ScottK> (sorry, I'm a little distracted by people going to bed and an occasionally flooding kitchen here at home I'm trying to diagnose.
[04:38] <ScottK> )
[04:51] <ScottK> gilbert: I need to go, so please let's pick up this discussion tomorrow.  I definitely appreciate your interest in helping us avoid doing something dumb.
[05:03] <gilbert> ScottK: i would probably keep the patch that fixes slow scrolling in i386, but that would be all
[05:46] <dirgan> helo
[08:32] <jo-erlend> is there any particular way to file a bug on wrong dependencies for a package in universe?
[08:34] <jo-erlend> in Maverick, sync-ui depends on libedataserver1.2-11 (>= 1:2.6.1), but the only one available is libedataserver1.2-13, which makes sync-ui uninstallable.
[08:36] <jo-erlend> actually, it's syncevolution that depends on that one. sync-ui depends on syncevolution.
[08:38] <AnAnt> Hello
[08:38] <jo-erlend> perhaps this bug is related? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/syncevolution/+bug/602748
[08:39] <geser> jo-erlend: this sound like syncevolution needs a rebuild against the recent libs but it fails to build: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/53051951/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-i386.syncevolution_1.0%2Bds1~beta2a-1build1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[08:45] <jo-erlend> damn. I hope someone is able to fix that, because that'll prevent me from upgrading to maverick.
[08:46] <alkisg> Hi, I'm making a package with .exe binary files that depends on wine. I'd go for "Architecture: amd64 i386", but I see that the wine package uses "Architecture: all" instead, and leaves its  dependencies (wine 1.2, available only for amd64/i386) to prohibit the users from installing it to other architectures. Which of the two approaches sounds better?
[08:46] <poolie> alkisg: i'm not an expert but perhaps the second?
[08:47] <poolie> then if someone fixes it to work elsewhere with an emulator or something, it'll be ok
[08:47] <alkisg> Maybe there's also a possibility that sometime in the future wine will be available to other architectures via emulation, so maybe that's an additional reason to prefer "all"... thank you poolie
[08:47] <alkisg> Heh we were thinking the same thing :)
[09:39] <bilalakhtar> hyperair: go to LP and see the new LP theme! :D Its awesome!
[09:40] <AnAnt> is that a practical joke ?
[09:40] <bilalakhtar> AnAnt: Everyone is saying this sentence!
[09:41] <persia> Please don't propagate it.  Much better to say it's down for a while.
[09:41] <persia> Truly, we should be glad it's down: from what I've seen in the launchpad channels, it looks like it should be more robust when it gets back up (running lucid)
[09:42] <bilalakhtar> persia: yes, it should, and will certainly be
[09:42] <bilalakhtar> Probably the servers were running hardy before?
[09:43] <AnAnt> ah, hope REVU will upgrade too
[09:43] <persia> It won't.
[09:43] <bilalakhtar> REVU just fixed an important bug
[09:43] <persia> There's no Ubuntu kernel that can run on the hosting machine.
[09:43] <bilalakhtar> that 'Cannot unpack 3.0 (quilt) packages' bug
[09:44] <bilalakhtar> persia: wha? No ubuntu kernel can run on web servers?
[09:44] <persia> If anyone has a spare machine they want to donate to ubuntuwire for REVU, then it can be fixed relatively easily, but I'd suggest waiting to see what happens with the new applications process first: having integrated backports+new apps with lots of extra bits and a selected body responsible for ensuring the process goes smoothly wouldn't be bad.
[09:44] <geser> bilalakhtar: REVU runs on sparc
[09:44] <persia> bilalakhtar, It's not about what REVU does: it's about the machine behind REVU.  Nobody made sparc work for lucid, so it can't upgrade.
[09:45] <bilalakhtar> And SPARC support is ceased, right?
[09:45] <bilalakhtar> for maverick, I mean
[09:45] <AnAnt> yup
[09:45] <bilalakhtar> It was never supported, but
[09:45] <bilalakhtar> The port has been removed from ports.u.c
[09:45] <geser> yes, what I've heard hardy was the last release that worked on sparc
[09:46] <geser> therefore REVU was running hardy
[09:46] <persia> bilalakhtar, It is not true that sparc was never supported.
[09:46] <AnAnt> how about running Debian on REVU ?
[09:46] <persia> Jaunty worked for sparc.  karmic was mostly working, but getting weak.  lucid wouldn't go at all.
[09:46] <AnAnt> Debian does support sparc, right ?
[09:46] <bilalakhtar> persia: Is a new process going to be implemented for new packaged?
[09:46] <bilalakhtar> *packages
[09:47] <geser> a parallel process
[09:47] <persia> bilalakhtar, That's what I keep hearing.  I haven't heard great progress.  If something isn't clearer in the next six weeks, I'll hope we can find a way to revive and revitalise the old processes rather than adding a new one.
[09:47]  * bilalakhtar has 4 packages on REVU
[09:48] <bilalakhtar> REVU seems to be lonely nowadays
[09:48] <Laney> bilalakhtar: I suggest you try Debian
[09:48] <bilalakhtar> Laney: Ask AnAnt about my Debian story :(
[09:48] <bilalakhtar> Laney: Packages over there are also stuck
[09:48] <Laney> rather you should ask<EMAIL_ADDRESS>;)
[09:48] <geser> bilalakhtar: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PostReleaseApps/
[09:49] <bilalakhtar> It would have definitely been better if ubuntuwire was given the opportunity to host on revu.ubuntu.com
[09:49] <bilalakhtar> okay, hafta go now
[12:09] <kaushal> hi
[12:09] <persia> hey
[12:09] <kaushal> I have ran a OpenVAS Scan on Ubuntu Lucid Server 10.04.1
[12:10] <kaushal> and it reported Apache is prone to multiple vulnerabilities
[12:10] <persia> You might want to chat with the folk in #ubuntu-hardened.  I believe they try to stay on top of the CVEs, etc.
[12:10] <kaushal> persia: sure
[12:11] <persia> Thanks for helping make Ubuntu secure :)
[12:11] <kaushal> I have ran a OpenVAS Scan on Ubuntu Lucid Server 10.04.1, and it reported Apache 2.2.14-5ubuntu8 is prone to multiple vulnerabilities
[12:12] <soren> Yes. So you mentioned.
[12:12] <persia> Really, we can't help much.  The folk in #ubuntu-hardened mostly care for security stuff, and the folk in #ubuntu-server mostly care for server stuff.
[12:13] <persia> (some of them might be here, but really, there are places where folk who can make a difference are more concentrated)
[12:13] <persia> We mostly focus on random QA issues for packages that *aren't* so commonly used.
[12:14] <kaushal> persia: Thanks
[12:14] <kaushal> much appreciated
[12:14] <persia> Best of luck in getting the vulnerabilities confirmed as closed.
[12:51] <ScottK> gilbert: I'm not sure what tz you're in, but I'm around again.
[13:59] <ScottK> gilbert: Done.  Thank you again for letting us know about the problem and recommending a fix.
[13:59] <ScottK> "fix"
[14:27] <hakermania> Hello all, I am trying to find a way uploading something to Revu. I know, you'll tell me that ubuntu is "frozen" right now, but I have to know! I know how to develop a .deb package, but as i saw other uploaders in revu.ubuntuwire.com upload tarballs, .diff files .changes files and so on. I have no idea what these are.. I really like my prog and I want to include it into the Ubuntu Software Center but I don't know where to start....
[14:29] <Rhonda> If you know how to develop a .deb package you should have a resulting .changes file, too.
[14:30] <hakermania> Yeah, ok, and how about the .dsc and .diff files?
[14:38] <Rhonda> The .dsc and .diff gets generated if you do a full build, including source build.
[14:38] <Rhonda> Which is default anyway. Still no clue how you build without generating a .diff and .dsc :)
[14:40] <hakermania> Ok, will I have your support while trying to build the package and generate all the important files? i am not a full-n00b, I swear! :P
[14:41] <Rhonda> What tool do you use? debuild, pbuilder, cowbuilder - they all produce the complete set in the default usage, including source package and changes files.
[14:41] <Rhonda> If you mention what you use we might be able to tell you where things went wrong. :)
[14:45] <persia> Rhonda, There are a couple guides to be found on the internet that explain how to manually construct a binary .deb (yes, this is considered very poor practice, but often a source of confusion)
[14:45] <hakermania> persia (i found you name, you are a MOTU, right?) the online guides are confusing...
[14:46] <hakermania> I'll have a try and I'll tell you guys
[14:46] <hakermania> But in a bit
[14:46] <hakermania> I'll experiment myself for a bit
[14:46] <persia> hakermania, Really, tell us what you're doing, and how you're doing it, and we'll point you at stuff.  Random searching online is guaranteed to be less productive to you.
[14:47] <hakermania> I am trying to make a package and upload it to revu.ubuntuwire.com
[14:47] <hakermania> with the help of dput
[14:47] <hakermania> Let me experiment for a bit and if I need help I'll return back here
[14:47] <hakermania> ..
[14:48] <hakermania> ty anyway
[14:50] <persia> REVU doesn't accept .deb files anyway.
[17:23] <hakermania> Ok, I'm back. I've build the .deb package. It contains usr/sbin/Executable and a folder in /usr/share/ which will be copied in first app run. I used the command dpkg-deb --build myapp_1.0-1 to build the .deb package but no diff file was created. I want also by default to have a shortcut created fot the ubuntu menu. I know that his can be done by creating a shortcut at ~/.local/share/applications/ but, as the .deb package cannot do anyt
[17:35] <hakermania> persia, anybody?
[17:44] <hakermania> I've build the .deb package. It contains usr/sbin/Executable and a folder in /usr/share/ which will be copied in first app run. I used the command dpkg-deb --build myapp_1.0-1 to build the .deb package but no diff file was created. I want also by default to have a shortcut created fot the ubuntu menu. I know that his can be done by creating a shortcut at ~/.local/share/applications/ but, as the .deb package cannot do anything into the
[18:49] <ari-tczew> ScottK: do you receive e-mails when someone has edit wiki page?
[18:49] <ScottK> If I'm subscribed to it, yes.
[18:49] <ari-tczew> [en] kangarooo, laney, voodoo-eu, kitterman, nhandler
[18:49] <ScottK> Yep
[18:50] <ari-tczew> ScottK: it's my page. can I check who has subscribed to my page?
[18:50] <ScottK> I'm not sure, but that list should tell you.
[18:50] <ari-tczew> ScottK: ah, right.
[18:51] <jpds> ari-tczew: "Info" → "Show General Page infos"
[18:51] <ari-tczew> ScottK: well, did you subscribe to my page? or it's automatically due to maintaining or something?
[18:51] <ScottK> I subscribed to it.
[18:52] <ScottK> It's not rare for me to subscribe to a page after I change it so I can see what changes come after.
[18:53] <ari-tczew> yes, yes
[18:53] <ari-tczew> I'm just amazed that someone is watching me. :P
[18:59] <nhandler> ari-tczew: Keep in mind, the wiki supports subscribing to pages matching a certain pattern. So many people are indirectly subscribed to your page
[19:00] <jpds>  /*
[19:01] <ari-tczew> ok thanks nhandler
[19:08] <hakermania> guys
[19:08] <hakermania> can anyone help me?
[19:09] <hakermania> where do I place the unistall script in the tree of the debian package?
[19:09] <hakermania> in DEBIAN folder?
[19:09] <hakermania> and If yes, with what name?
[19:16] <ScottK> hakermania: If you are looking at a DEBIAN folder, you are looking at a binary package and not a source package.  If you build a proper source package, it will take care of that for you.
[19:16] <hakermania> But I am building a binary package.
[19:18] <ScottK> OK
[20:08] <Rhonda> persia: You mean like "create a directory with content that should be extracted into /, add a DEBIAN directory containing a control file with … and call dpkg --build tmp .."?
[20:09] <ajmitch> morning
[20:12] <Rhonda> hakermania: Erm, usind dpkg-deb --build is definitely not the proper way to build a Debian package. You need a debian directory in the source and that has to at least contain a changelog, rules file, copyright and control files.
[20:12] <Rhonda> hakermania: dpkg-deb --build is used at the very end of debian/rules, and most of the times not even directly but through some helper tool.
[20:14] <hakermania> Rhonda: I have made an app in C++ (I have a good knowledge of this) and i want it to make a deb package with the purpose of including this program to the Ubuntu Software Center! Unfortunately i have no idea how to do this. I am 2 hours now trying to solve the errors lintian "provides" to me on every effort on building the package. So, i am a little disappointed. What do you suggest?
[20:15] <Rhonda> To use a guide that helps you to create a _source_ package, not a .deb package.
[20:15] <hakermania> a tarball for example?
[20:16] <Rhonda> I have no clue where you found the guide that suggests to go with dpkg-deb --build, this is the wrong approach.
[20:16] <hakermania> Yeah, OK, but I need help making a tarball or something like this.
[20:17] <hakermania> i don't care whether it is .tar.gz or .deb, i want it to be something :P
[20:17] <Rhonda> A tarball is only one part of a Debian source package. A Debian source package contains of 2 or more files. The .dsc which is the source description file, a tarball (recently can even be more than one), and optional either a debian diff or a debian tarball containing the changes required for creating the Debian binary packages.
[20:18] <hakermania> What do you mean "creating the Debian binary packages" ?
[20:18] <hakermania> the .deb files?
[20:19] <Rhonda> The .deb files are the binary packages, yes.
[20:20] <Rhonda> hakermania: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide seems to be an exhaustive guide that should be able to get you started.
[20:21] <hakermania> Ok, so the tarball must contain the configure file, the make file, with $1 = install or $1 = unistall, and all the files needed that makefile plays with
[20:22] <hakermania> thanks for the link by the way, but please answer me to this question to undewrstand a bit
[20:27] <Rhonda> The tarball contains all the files that are created by upstream, including makefiles or configure scripts. I'm not sure what you mean with $1 = install or $1 = uninstall.
[20:28] <ari-tczew> how can I rename the file through bzr?
[20:29] <ari-tczew> bzr mv got it
[21:03] <hakermania> Rhonda:  I can't understand the online source :( the things are simple and i think that you can help me a bit... I have a program. A simple program. This goes to /usr/bin/. Nice and cool. then, this simple program uses some files to run, perform some checks etc. These files go to /usr/share/ and then I copy them to ~/.config at the first app run. So, what else do I need to build the DEB package? I am really confused.... Is there any he
[21:12] <Rhonda> hakermania: For a start, your message got cut after "Is there any he".
[21:13] <hakermania> s there any helper that asks you about where to place the one and the other file and creates the package itself?
[21:13] <Rhonda> hakermania: The debian/rules file of a Debian source package is technicly just a makefile that has to have specific targets and in the end creates the .deb files.
[21:13] <Rhonda> debhelper takes you pretty much there.
[21:14] <hakermania> But we are talking about MY program! I haven't make any source package or something like this!
[21:14] <Rhonda> dh_make gets you a debian/ directory with a load of example files, most of which you can delete because they won't apply, like all the emacsen ones, I assume.
[21:14] <hakermania> where are these examples placed?
[21:15] <Rhonda> If you want a program to get packaged, you should consider producing a makefile to do so, or use autotools if it requires other libraries to check their availablility and things.
[21:15] <Rhonda> Inside the debian/ directory. :)
[21:17] <hakermania> Too much info for a day i think --_--
[21:46] <ari-tczew> Rhonda: would you like review my package on REVU?
[21:47] <Rhonda> Even if I would like I couldn't because you didn't hand a link. :)
[21:47] <ari-tczew> Rhonda: I prepare it for upload :P
[21:47] <ari-tczew> Rhonda: now it's available on bzr
[21:48] <Rhonda> Unfortunately I have given up digging into bzr years ago, but I guess I should give it a try again.
[21:48] <ari-tczew> Rhonda: till upload to REVU: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ari-tczew/clementine/REVU/files
[22:30] <ari-tczew> Rhonda: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=8603
[22:32] <Rhonda> Oh, I think REVU really should bump its lintian version …
[22:33] <ScottK> Rhonda: You can ask for that in #ubuntuwire.  That's the group that runs it.
[22:34] <Rhonda> Hmm, I thought, revu now supports source v3?
[22:34] <Rhonda> Someone mentioned that recently?
[22:35] <r4v5> Hey guys, I'm trying to figure out what's up with bug 601950 (modifiers fail to work on a particular bluetooth keyboard); is there a canonical way to try the latest upstream source and then revert if the bug's still there?
[22:36] <Rhonda> ari-tczew: Don't get me wrong, but I'm not confident enough with source v3 yet so I rather not dig into that one, especially since I'm really tired, too …
[22:36] <ari-tczew> Rhonda: ok no problem
[23:36] <RainCT> Rhonda, ScottK: Done (updating lintian on REVU)
[23:42] <ajmitch> oops, I'd forgot to do that with the backport I did recently
[23:44] <ajmitch> for REVU & v3 source packages, I hadn't gone through & unpacked all the uploads that had failed before the dpkg backport was put in place
[23:57] <gilbert> ScottK: thanks for uploading the "fix"!


[00:47] <mwhudson> are there many charms for trusty yet?
[00:48] <mwhudson> or does that sort of thing wait until after trusty is out?
[00:56] <Kupo24z> Hey all, is it possible to select a MAAS node when running the first 'juju bootstrap' to setup the juju environment? I have pre-defined nodes and I'd like to make sure it provisions on the right one
[01:08] <davecheney> mwhudson: the latter
[01:10] <mwhudson> davecheney: is the cheat in the mean time branching all the precise repos to $localcharmrepo/trusty or however you do that?
[01:11] <rick_h_> mwhudson: do you need them to run on trusty? You can just juju deploy precise/mysql for instance?
[01:11] <davecheney> mwhudson: correct
[01:11] <mwhudson> rick_h_: i am mostly interested in architectures that are only supported in trusty :-)
[01:12] <davecheney> rick_h_: that is the main rason
[01:12] <rick_h_> mwhudson: if you download zip of a charm you can drop it on the gui and pick the series to use
[01:12] <rick_h_> mwhudson: ah gotcha
[01:12] <mwhudson> well i guess armhf was in precise but i still want to be closer to the bleeding edge
[01:12] <mwhudson> rick_h_: ok, bit tedious when dealing with a gigantic bundle
[01:12] <mwhudson> (unless there is a trick for that too)
[01:13] <rick_h_> mwhudson: definitely, no trick until we get fat bundles and the like
[01:13] <mwhudson> ah ok
[08:12] <melmoth> hola juju people ! With juju 1.18.0 i have been told one can tell juju, when using openstack provider, to use a given neutron network for vms (so it does not die when the current tenant as several available networks).
[08:12] <melmoth> any idea actually how to tell juju wich net to use ?
[08:24] <melmoth> ahhh, most probably the new network setting that is in environment.yaml
[08:31] <frankban> rbasak: morning. the new quickstart package(in your ppa)  seems to work very well
[09:02] <rbasak> frankban: great, thanks! I'll upload.
[09:03] <frankban> rbasak: cool thank you
[09:08] <rbasak> (done)
[11:35] <noodles775> I'm having to `sudo pkill mongod` each time I re-bootstrap a local environment. Is this known, or the same issue as bug 1208430 ?
[11:35] <_mup_> Bug #1208430: mongodb runs as root user <mongodb> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core (Ubuntu):Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1208430>
[13:58] <melmoth> i m experiencing problem with juju 1.18.0 tyring to use it behind a proxy.
[13:58] <melmoth> https://pastebin.canonical.com/108082/
[13:58] <melmoth> if anyone has an idea, you are welcome
[14:16] <mgz> melmoth: can you access the maas API directly using HTTP_PROXY envvar and wget say? doesn't seem like a juju related error
[14:17] <melmoth> i dont need a proxy to access MAAS, and the proxy had no access to MAAS directly
[14:18] <melmoth> (all my boxes, MAAS as well are vm in a hypervisor;hosted on some libvirt network). The proxy is a real proxy that my main hypervisor must use to access external boxes
[14:18] <melmoth> so if i try to access the maas box via the proxy, it will not work.. is it what is going on here ?
[14:20] <mgz> melmoth: printenv?
[14:21] <melmoth> mgz http://pastebin.com/UsBbLR5u
[14:21] <melmoth> (i m using juju directly from the box where maas is installed)
[14:26] <mgz> melmoth: that's odd. what about /home/ubuntu/.profile and /home/ubuntu/.juju-proxy? running juju from inside of the maas... that it's using itself? seems shakey.
[14:26] <melmoth> i always did it that way.
[14:26] <melmoth> i mean, juju is just a client, it should be ran from...anywhere
[14:27] <melmoth> i could fire up yet a new vm just for it, but, i never had to, nor do i see the point
[14:27] <melmoth> lets have a look at the profile
[14:28] <melmoth> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7226462/
[14:29] <mgz> well, I have no idea where your juju client is getting the proxy setting from then.
[14:29] <melmoth> well, from the nevironement most probably, i did set juju set http-proxy
[14:29] <melmoth> because i need the new machine to use the proxy
[14:29] <melmoth> that was the whole point of the exercice
[14:30] <melmoth> but i dont need communication from the juju box or the bootstrap node to MAAS to be proxyed
[14:30] <melmoth> hmmm
[14:30] <melmoth> may be i should set no-proxy for the maas box ?
[14:30] <mgz> well, you are telling the bootstrap node to use a proxy with that
[14:30] <mgz> affecting the local client when uploading a charm is a little odd
[14:31] <mgz> melmoth: you probably should
[14:31] <melmoth> i m just not sure what name to use or wich actual machine it s trying to cennect to
[14:32] <melmoth> let s try with <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:34] <melmoth> \o/
[14:34] <melmoth> thanks mgz :-)
[14:34] <mgz> workies?
[14:35] <melmoth> looks like it did. At least i have a prompt. it s a subordinate so nothing happened, that s normal. let s continue deployment
[14:37] <melmoth> yeah, mysql seems to be under deployment
[14:40] <mgz> ace.
[16:06] <cory_fu> So, I'm new to bzr.  If I want to submit a (set of) change(s) for review on charm-helpers, do I just do bzr push lp:~johnsca/charm-helpers/name-for-branch in my local copy?
[16:08] <timrc> arosales, Hey I pushed a fix for: https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+source/jenkins/+bug/1272520 -- but it's pushed to a +junk branch so I can submit an MP
[16:08] <_mup_> Bug #1272520: Unable to relate to jenkins-slave: hook failed: "master-relation-changed" <audit> <jenkins (Juju Charms Collection):Confirmed for lazypower> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1272520>
[16:09]  * timrc really doesn't want any responsibilities associated with being a member of ~charmers, but this particular bug has bit us, and thought I would kill it with fire
[16:09] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: yes, then do a bzr lp-propose lp:charm-helpers
[16:09] <lazyPower> timrc: right on. I'll take a look closer to EOB unless you need it landed immediately.
[16:09] <lazyPower> and follow marco's directive ^
[16:09] <timrc> lazyPower, Nah, take your time.  Not hugely critical.  We are deploying from a branch atm... there is some weirdness around authentication too but I think that's separate
[16:10] <timrc> lazyPower, Right-o.  Thanks
[16:10] <arosales> timrc: thanks for the mp. I think I had filled a abug against jenkins . . .
[16:11] <arosales> timrc: https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+source/jenkins/+bug/1272520 was the bug I was hitting did you see something similiar?
[16:11] <_mup_> Bug #1272520: Unable to relate to jenkins-slave: hook failed: "master-relation-changed" <audit> <jenkins (Juju Charms Collection):Confirmed for lazypower> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1272520>
[16:12] <timrc> arosales, Well I didn't see any logs, so I can't be 100% sure but my master-relation-changed problem was due to the fact that the master-relation-changed hook was expecting the slave-relation-joined hook (run by jenkins-slave) to set 'slaveaddress' which it wasn't
[16:12] <timrc> arosales, so master-relation-changed was assigning an empty string and passing that to hooks/addnode and causing breakage
[16:13] <arosales> timrc: sounds promissing that your branch may resolve this issue
[16:14] <arosales> timrc: thanks for taking the time to contribute the fix back into the juju community :-)
[16:43] <timrc> marcoceppi, Just to confirm my lp-propose should be:
[16:43] <timrc> Source: lp:~timrchavez/charm-helpers/jenkins-slave-fix-slave-relation-joined
[16:43] <timrc> Target: lp:charm-helpers
[16:44] <timrc> should result in* rather
[16:44] <marcoceppi> timrc: is this a fix in charm-helpers or the jenkins charm?
[16:45] <timrc> marcoceppi, it's a fix to a jenkins charm... when I attempted to propose my branch for merge against the actual charm I got a little hate :(
[16:45] <timrc> bzr: ERROR: exceptions.Exception: lp:~timrchavez/charm-helpers/jenkins-slave-fix-slave-relation-joined is not mergeable into lp:charms/jenkins-slave
[16:46] <marcoceppi> timrc: you should push your branch to lp:~timrchavez/charms/precise/jenkins/jenkins-slace-fix-slave-relation-joined
[16:46] <marcoceppi> timrc: you're trying to merge not only across projects, but across distros
[16:46] <timrc> marcoceppi, muhaha
[16:47] <timrc> if I could push to charms/ I would have..
[16:47] <marcoceppi> timrc: you can
[16:47] <marcoceppi> timrc: it's charms in your namespace
[16:47] <marcoceppi> anyone can push to lp:~user/charms/...
[16:47] <timrc> marcoceppi, Ah, I had some problem... maybe my path was bad
[16:48] <timrc> marcoceppi, Ah, I attempted bzr push lp:~timrchavez/charms/precise/jenkins-slave-fix-slave-relation
[16:48] <marcoceppi> timrc: yeah, since charms is a distro, you have to put a branch name in there and jenkins becomes the project name
[16:50] <timrc> Makes sense.  Thanks for working around my obtuseness and helping me :)
[16:50] <marcoceppi> timrc: np! once it's all pushed, you can just do `bzr lp-propose lp:charms/jenkins-slave`
[17:03] <timrc> lazyPower, Okay stumbled my way through :) https://code.launchpad.net/~timrchavez/charms/precise/jenkins-slave/jenkins-slave-fix-slave-relation-joined/+merge/214994
[18:24] <tvansteenburgh> anyone ever successfully configured sticky sessions on the haproxy charm?
[18:32] <marcoceppi> tvansteenburgh: people in IS probably have
[18:34] <tvansteenburgh> marcoceppi: thanks, will check there
[19:03] <Jeffrey_> Is there anyway to start a service on the juju agent machine? Or is there a way to deploy to a specific machine number in juju status?
[19:06] <marcoceppi> Jeffrey_: yes, you can use deploy --to
[19:07] <Jeffrey_> marcocappi: Then I get "Added charm "local:percise/rethinkdb-2" to the environment. ERROR cannot assign unit "rethinkdb/0" to machine 0: series does not match" and the machine type of number 0 is "series: percise"
[19:08] <marcoceppi> Jeffrey_: is this a local provoder?
[19:08] <Jeffrey_> Yes from a directory on the juju client computer.
[19:11] <Jeffrey_> Also if I add a charm it creates a new machine that stays in the pending state. How can I start it?
[19:11] <marcoceppi> Jeffrey_: the bootstrap node isn't a real cloud VM, it's your actual machine
[19:11] <marcoceppi> you'll need to add another machine
[19:11] <Jeffrey_> marcoceppi: Ok so the bootstrap node can only be for the agent?
[19:11] <marcoceppi> Jeffrey_: only on local provider
[19:12] <marcoceppi> Jeffrey_: all other real clouds you can deploy --to 0
[19:12] <Jeffrey_> marcoceppi: I'm sorry I meant I am running a MaaS provider.
[19:12] <Jeffrey_> I am running from a local repository
[19:13] <Jeffrey_> Charm is from a local repository
[19:13] <marcoceppi> Jeffrey_: show me your juju status
[19:14] <Jeffrey_> marcoceppi:
[19:14] <Jeffrey_> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7227684/
[19:17] <Jeffrey_> marcoceppi: Even when I just do a normal deploy the new machine that is allocated for the charm doesn't start. Is there any way for force it?
[19:18] <marcoceppi> Jeffrey_: something else is wrong, it should start up eventually
[19:19] <Jeffrey_> marcoceppi: This is the status: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7227701/
[19:22] <Jeffrey_> macroceppi: I think I figured it out.
[21:06] <avoine> I'm thinking about changing some configuration variables for the django charm like: requirements_pip_files
[21:06] <avoine> in your opinion what would be better:?
[21:06] <avoine> 1) having a configuration option with a default but ignoring if the results fail
[21:06] <avoine> 2) a configuration variable with empty default and triggering errors if the file is not there
[21:12] <marcoceppi> avoine: the latter, in my opinion
[21:23] <tvansteenburgh> `juju deploy local:trusty/haproxy --repository=.`
[21:23] <tvansteenburgh> is the --repository=. needed there?
[21:24] <tvansteenburgh> i'm hacking on haproxy and my code changes aren't getting deployed to new units
[21:24] <tvansteenburgh> not using --repository and wondering if i need to
[21:25] <tvansteenburgh> marcoceppi: ^
[21:25] <marcoceppi> tvansteenburgh: pretty sure you always need to specify a repository
[21:25] <tvansteenburgh> or else?
[21:26] <tvansteenburgh> maybe it's pulling from lp everytime and i haven't noticed
[21:26] <marcoceppi> no, it wont do that
[21:27] <tvansteenburgh> yeah i dunno what it's doing then
[21:36] <marcoceppi> tvansteenburgh: you can try with the --debug flag
[21:36] <marcoceppi> see what's happening
[21:36] <tvansteenburgh> well --repository=. fixed my immediate prob, so i'm moving on
[22:25] <arosales> mbruzek: marcoceppi does charm-help-test work for you?
[22:25] <arosales> on charm-tools 1.2.10 its not giving me the help
[22:26] <arosales> sorry I meant to state, charm-help test
[22:26] <arosales> charm help test, also isn't working for me.
[22:27] <mbruzek> no I get a usage when I try those commands
[22:27] <arosales> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7228396/
[22:27] <arosales> I'll file a bug
[22:28] <arosales> mbruzek: thanks for confirming I was hoping to look at what the valid outputs are for charm tests
[22:28] <mbruzek> arosales, does "charm test" not work for you?  It appears that the help is broken for me
[22:29] <arosales> mbruzek: 'charm test' does work for me
[22:29] <arosales> mbruzek: just that 'charm help test' does not or as the usage suggests 'charm-help test'  also doesn't work
[22:29] <mbruzek> sure
[22:29] <mbruzek> That is a bug
[22:32] <marcoceppi> avoine: charm test -h
[22:32] <marcoceppi> should give you output
[22:32] <arosales> https://bugs.launchpad.net/charm-tools/+bug/1305337
[22:32] <_mup_> Bug #1305337: charm help test does not work on 1.2.10 <Juju Charm Tools:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1305337>
[22:32] <arosales> marcoceppi that does work
[22:33] <arosales> perhaps it just the usage that needs updating then
[22:33] <marcoceppi> arosales: charm help <cmd> doesn't ever work?
[22:33] <marcoceppi> i guess it could
[22:33] <arosales> it didn't work for me in the commands I tried it with, list, test, get, etc.
[22:35] <arosales> cory_fu: fyi http://paste.ubuntu.com/7228419/
[22:35] <arosales> which I finally got to give me from charm test -h
[22:35] <arosales> cory_fu: pass, fail, skip, and timout, so were hitting timeout


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[02:29] <zul> yay ttp://ehlo.org/~kay/gitweb.pl?project=linux-2.6&action=log&view_back=86400
[02:32] <kylem> this git stuff is so confusing.
[02:33] <zul> yeah it is..
[02:33] <kylem> 400 messages left to read in that maildir :\
[02:36] <zul> gah?
[02:37] <kylem> the git mailing list is pretty high traffic, heh, explains why linux-kernel is so quiet these days
[02:37] <zul> git changes?
[02:37] <kylem> no, the git devel list
[02:38] <zul> ah..
[05:19] <fabbione> morning
[12:22] <fabbione> 12rc3 is out :/
[02:08] <jbailey> fabbione: Do we keep broken builds on the buildds like Debian does sometimes?
[02:08] <jbailey> glibc on i386 failed with a whacked error message that I don't understand
[02:09] <fabbione> jbailey: yes.. we still need lamont for it
[02:09] <jbailey> Cool.  I won't try and reproduce it here, then.  All I need is the config.log from the build.  It's complaining that gcc-3.3 isn't happy.
[02:11] <fabbione> i am this -><- close to explode
[02:58] <zul> fabbione: how come?
[02:58] <fabbione> because rc3 compiles half and a half
[02:58] <fabbione> 23293728 things to do
[02:58] <fabbione> and 0 time left
[02:59] <zul> ah..
[02:59] <lamont> jbailey: purge=always
[03:00] <fabbione> ok.. now it builds everywhere
[03:01] <fabbione> lamont: <IP_ADDRESS> .. needs hppa love :)
[03:01] <lamont> .90 got uploaded?
[03:01] <fabbione> no
[03:01] <fabbione> 2.6.12rc3 is out
[03:01] <lamont> ah, .91 is rc3?
[03:01] <fabbione> i am updating the configs all over
[03:02] <fabbione> but if i got them right, they should be ok for hppa already
[03:02] <lamont> cool
[03:02] <lamont> however there's a fair chance that the diffs don't apply
[03:02] <fabbione> remember the usal trick of the diff.gz .dsc
[03:02] <fabbione> and then replace debian/ ;)
[03:02] <zul> orig can be gotten at the same place?
[03:02] <zul> hmmm....that directed at me? :)
[03:03] <fabbione> zul: usual place..
[03:03] <fabbione> people.u.c/~fabbione/
[03:03] <zul> getting them now
[03:04] <fabbione> ok i am off while the buildds will finish to munge the kernel
[03:04] <fabbione> cya later
[03:05] <fabbione> i386 configs are already updated btw
[03:07] <lamont> fabbione: hppa love may have to happen after I get off the plane - much of today will be spent getting everything together to fly, etc, etc.
[03:07] <lamont> plane leaves in about 9.5 hours
[03:07] <fabbione> lamont: i am not going to upload anyway
[03:08] <fabbione> i had some kind of bad feeling upgrading the kernel on a hoary box today
[03:08] <fabbione> so i want to restest everything.. that means after UDU
[03:08] <zul> gah?
[03:09] <fabbione> zul: it didn't complain about an old version of initrd.tools, when i explecitly declared a versioned depends
[03:09] <zul> ah ok
[03:09] <fabbione> that means leaving the system unbootable
[03:09] <zul> that isnt good at all :)
[03:09] <fabbione> right
[03:09] <fabbione> i am off for a while
[03:10] <fabbione> i might pass by later
[03:10] <lamont> fabbione: and besides, cvs.parisc-linux.org is down right now
[03:12] <jbailey> lamont: Ah well, thanks.
[03:13] <jbailey> Cool, got my travel insurrance.
[03:13] <jbailey> Now I need power adaptors, clean clothing, a sticker for mako, and mapple syrop for infinity.
[03:24] <zul> jbailey: just go to loblaws for mapple syrub :)
[03:24] <zul> damn dyslexia
[03:30] <zul> heh you said poke
[03:39] <jbailey> zul: Yup, and mec for the power adaptors.
[03:40] <jbailey> zul: I just reconfirmed my flights, meals, etc.
[04:04] <fabbione> amd64 configs updated
[05:06] <jbailey> Interesting, when I ran time on my test glibc build, the user time is greater than the real time. =)
[05:07] <fabbione> eeheh
[05:07] <jbailey> I'm guess it's not SMP friendly. =)
[05:10] <fabbione> http://www.plug-pray.org/
[05:10] <fabbione> ahahaha
[05:12] <fabbione> jbailey: what is a simple way to debug the libc6 resolver?
[05:12] <jbailey> gcc-3.3 [!ia64 !powerpc !amd64]  | gcc-3.4 [!ia64] , gcc-3.4 (>= 3.4.3-6ubuntu1) [ia64] ,
[05:13] <fabbione> i was trying to spot the ipv6 problem
[05:13] <fabbione> but the changes are way more complicated than expected
[05:13] <jbailey> fabbione: Honestly, printf.
[05:13] <fabbione> hmmm
[05:13] <fabbione> not even that RESDEBUG ?
[05:13] <jbailey> Because you can't build glibc without optimisation, it's usually less grief to do incremental compiles than walk it though gdb.
[05:14] <jbailey> Is that build-dep line enough to make sure that amd64 has gcc-3.4 on the system?
[05:14] <fabbione> jbailey: hmmmmm
[05:14] <jbailey> fabbione: It depends if RESDEBUG is actually granular enough for you.  I don't think it gives you line numbers and such.
[05:15] <fabbione> gcc-3.3 [i386, sparc,hppa] , gcc-3.4 [amd64] , gcc-3.4 (>= 3.4.3-6ubuntu1) [ia64] ,
[05:15] <jbailey> 'kay, better to make it clear I guess.
[05:15] <fabbione> i hate triple negations :)
[05:20] <jbailey> No commas between the arch's it looks like.
[05:23] <jbailey> Well, off she goes.
[05:25] <fabbione> jbailey: how hard can it be to get a crosscompiler to build sparc on amd64?
[05:25] <fabbione> only to build the kernel
[05:25] <fabbione> so something extremely monolitich and static
[05:28] <fabbione> later...
[05:28] <fabbione> i forgot i need to go shopping
[05:35] <jbailey> fabbione: Cross compilers are usually pretty easy now.  There's several scripts out there that all you need to do is put a few pieces in the right palce and hit 'go'
[05:35] <jbailey> I think the package you want is called 'toolcahin-source'
[05:43] <kylem> toolchain-source rarely works. :\
[05:44] <kylem> i've tried several times to build x86->{hppa,mips} compilers with it, and failed, recently
[06:27] <fabbione> I HATE PPC
[06:27] <fabbione> where is the ppc porter?
[06:27] <fabbione> T-Bone??
[06:27] <fabbione> T-None: weren't you supposed to do ppc work?
[06:44] <T-Bone> fabbione: i beg your pardon?
[06:45] <fabbione> you said you wanted to hack around on ppc...
[06:45] <fabbione> right?
[06:45] <fabbione> since i hate ppc.. from deep inside myself...
[06:45] <T-Bone> i said i could
[06:45] <fabbione> isn't the right time to start?
[06:45] <T-Bone> why?
[06:46] <fabbione> because it's the only troublemaker arch with FTBFS one on top of eachoterh
[06:46] <T-Bone> eachoterh?
[06:47] <T-Bone> fabbione: i *thought* that ppc was *officialy* supported?
[06:47] <fabbione> eachother
[06:47] <T-Bone> fabbione: which means people are *paid* to get it to work. Am I wrong?
[06:48] <fabbione> T-Bone: so? it still needs love.. it's not like the kernel builds automatically because the arch is *supported*
[06:48] <fabbione> yes you are wrong :)
[06:48] <fabbione> it still a community kernel
[06:49] <T-Bone> fabbione: you're good at reading webpage, right?
[06:49] <T-Bone> fabbione: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelTeamTasks
[06:50] <T-Bone> (which isn't up to date since i've droped ia64, but that's another story)
[06:51] <fabbione> that's probably because you are french as svenl
[06:51] <fabbione> and i thought you were both 2 patriots
[06:51] <T-Bone> fabbione: i'm quite certain that if you take it on that tone, i'll show you my biggest finger...
[06:52] <fabbione> ahhah
[06:52] <fabbione> that'
[06:52] <fabbione> that'd be cool :)
[06:52] <T-Bone> you finger perv :P
[06:54] <T-Bone> anywayz, i might give it a shot, but probably not before this week end.  I don't have a brain
[06:54] <fabbione> dilinger: yeah.. <IP_ADDRESS>.. see /T
[06:54] <fabbione> :)
[06:54] <T-Bone> and i'm hung like a horse, no problem that side either
[06:55] <zul> T-Bone: a minature horse?
[06:55] <fabbione> dilinger: that's why i am pissed.. each release PPC is a FTBFSorama
[06:55] <T-Bone> zul: even a miniature one would do. If you've never seen a horse's prick, you should take a look.  So far, I'm not very worried about that topic. Besides, I tend to think that it's usually those who talk about it who have a problem with it, neh, fabbione ? :)
[06:58] <T-Bone> BWAHAHAHA
[06:59] <zul> ouch...burn..
[06:59] <fabbione> i didn't talk about the size of your penis :)
[07:00] <T-Bone> lol
[07:00] <T-Bone> that's the worse excuse I've ever heard ;)
[07:00] <fabbione> as you can re-read above... i have been pretty silent
[07:00] <T-Bone> you nonetheless started it
[07:01] <T-Bone> Freud would consider that as a *big clue*
[07:01] <T-Bone> ;)
[07:01] <T-Bone> (but he was German. That doesn't help ;)
[07:02] <zul> uh...he was austrian
[07:02] <T-Bone> true. I might americanize myself, thinking it's the same ;o)
[07:03] <fabbione> no.. i didn't start the topic of size
[07:03] <fabbione> READ AGAIN
[07:03] <T-Bone> you started the dick-topic
[07:03] <fabbione> only that you were losing it, together with your brain cancer...
[07:03] <T-Bone> you said i was losing something dear to me, i replied telling that given how it's hung, there was no risk that i might loose it, and then zul hopped on the size topic
[07:04] <fabbione> so as you can see
[07:04] <T-Bone> that was your first mistake: i can't have a brain cancer: i don't have a fuckin brain :)
[07:04] <fabbione> i didn't start the size topic
[07:05] <T-Bone> you initiated the whole topic, as usual when the discussion goes between the legs.  He needs a cure ;)
[07:07] <fabbione> that happens when you spend too much time with french guys around
[07:07] <T-Freud> compulsory xenophobia
[07:07] <T-Freud> severe case
[07:09] <T-Freud> Nurse, please strap him carefully, we're taking him to the nearest psychiatric hospital. It's an emergency :P
[07:11] <zul> wont someone please think of the chidren
[07:11] <T-Bone> zul: you mean *his*? Damn. If he multiplies, Earth is in danger ;o)
[07:12] <zul> i got involved now im uninvolving myself :)
[07:12] <T-Bone> lol
[07:13] <T-Bone> you've got a paper asshole (newly learnt swear, thx jbailey ;)
[07:13] <zul> mmm....girl guide cookies
[07:32] <fabbione> goodie..
[07:32] <fabbione> we have debs for 2.6.12rc3
[07:33] <fabbione> on all arches except hppa
[07:33] <T-Bone> lol
[07:33] <zul> with unionfs for ppc?
[07:33] <fabbione> cya lamont-away
[07:34] <fabbione> zul: that's a gcc problem
[07:34] <zul> ah
[07:35] <fabbione> jbailey: did you upload a new version libc6 already???
[07:44] <lamont-away> fabbione: ubuntu3 is there
[07:48] <jbailey> fabbione: Yeah sorry.  Had to fix amd64 and i386 build fuckage.
[07:51] <fabbione> lamont-away: cya at UDU :)
[07:51] <fabbione> jbailey: ENOPROBLEM :)
[07:51] <fabbione> jbailey: everything that was builded up till now is ccached
[07:51] <fabbione> no big loss
[07:51] <fabbione> i added an nfs ccache export of 20GB
[07:52] <fabbione> if it gets full.. we will enlarge it :)
[07:55] <fabbione>                        20G  2.9G   16G  16% /opt/sparcbuildd/chroots/jb-breezy/home/sparcbuildd/.ccache
[07:55] <fabbione> we already have 3GB of cache.. all good.. all good :)
[07:56] <jbailey> Ooo, I wonder if stuff from jb-breezy shouldn't be cached...
[07:56] <jbailey> I was hoping between gcc-3.3 and 3.4...
[07:56] <fabbione> why not?
[07:56] <fabbione> jbailey: ccache is very clever
[07:56] <fabbione> don't worry..
[07:56] <jbailey> Is it?  a'ight.
[07:56] <fabbione> it recognizes a lot of things
[07:57] <fabbione> to be sure that the cache is valid or not
[07:59] <jbailey> Must call cab in 10 minutes to get to airport.     I can sleep everwhere *except* in planes (really)
[08:38] <zul> dilinger: once when i was a kid
[08:38] <dilinger> oh, ok
[08:38] <T-Shit> fabbione: i can even sleep eyes open ;)
[08:38] <fabbione> there...
[08:38] <fabbione> ppc is updated.. what is missing now...
[08:38] <zul> dilinger: airitalia flying from nariobi to rome i had a bit of a flu
[08:38] <fabbione> ah
[08:38] <fabbione> hppa!
[08:38] <fabbione> :P
[08:38] <dilinger> so it's not like you get on the plane, hand the stewardess a smock, and tell her to wear it until you get off the flight :)
[08:39] <zul> hehe...maybe :)
[08:39] <kylem> fabbione, what needs to be done?
[08:39] <fabbione> the best thing is to tell them that you are scared of flying
[08:40] <T-Shit> tell them you need a baby si(s)t(t)er ;)
[08:40] <fabbione> kylem: for .11.91 aka 12rc3, i still need to reenable the qla2xxx stuff and a bunch of other drivers...
[08:40] <kylem> fabbione, i mean for hppa :)
[08:40] <fabbione> and allign the udebs
[08:40] <fabbione> kylem: config updates
[08:40] <kylem> ah.
[08:40] <fabbione> kylem: and see if the patches we have for hppa are ok
[08:41] <T-Shit> kylem: hppa builds fine. fabbione is just trying to make a fuss out of nothing ;)
[08:41] <fabbione> since yesterday they have been updated on top of 12rc2
[08:41] <fabbione> T-Shit: wanna bet that it won't build if you don't update the config?
[08:41] <T-Shit> fabbione: of course.  Face the truth
[08:44] <T-Shit> makes me think, I *need* to book planes for OLS
[08:45] <T-Shit> i guess i'll come for the OLS week only, heh
[08:45] <zul> suck...i wont be going to ols but ill be in the city
[08:45] <kylem> heehee, i got one of the random kernel summit invites. (with only one entry in maintainers... :)
[08:45] <zul> who...we can have a party at my house
[08:45] <kylem> thank you LASI Harmony...
[08:46] <T-Shit> kylem: lol. I guess that's why I should claim I'm maintaining some of the shit i wrote ;)
[08:46] <zul> bbl...need to make a house call
[08:47] <kylem> T-Shit, any idea when you're going to fly in/out? i asked ajh, but there's no plans for camping yet.
[08:47] <T-Shit> kylem: i need to check with grant for the administrativia, but my bet is that if there's no camp plans, i'll stick to Grant's feet
[08:48] <kylem> T-Shit, k. just let me know when to bring the liquor. ;-)
[08:48] <kylem> (and where:)
[08:48] <T-Shit> seems pretty poorly organized from HP-side, this year
[08:48] <T-Shit> hehe ;)
[08:48] <kylem> T-Shit, taggart's not going, is he?
[08:48] <T-Shit> dunno. Seems not, else we would have a much better setup already
[08:48] <kylem> i wonder if bdale is?
[08:48] <T-Shit> i think so
[08:48] <T-Shit> need to ask him
[08:49] <T-Shit> but iirc last time we talked he told me he would
[08:49] <fabbione> well i am off....
[08:49] <kylem> cool
[08:50] <fabbione> weekend starts early this week
[08:50] <T-Shit> kylem: do you know how long ggg will be off?
[08:50] <kylem> T-Shit, he only said "a couple days"
[08:50] <T-Shit> fabbione: you little bastard
[08:50] <T-Shit> ok
[08:50] <kylem> fabbione, take care
[08:50] <kylem> T-Shit, i'm sure he will log on from wireless somehow as usual :)
[08:50] <fabbione> i might pass by tomorrow
[08:50] <T-Shit> kylem: most likely ;)
[08:51] <T-Shit> fabbione: don't bother. Really ;)
[08:51] <Mithrandir> that's kinda coo
[08:51] <Mithrandir> +l
[08:51] <fabbione> Mithrandir: somebody was packaging it afaik
[08:51] <T-Shit> Mithrandir: woohoo, indeed! :)
[08:52] <Mithrandir> fabbione: just openvpn ?  It's already packaged.  The rest of it is more of a receipe.
[08:52] <fabbione> ah ok
[08:53] <Mithrandir> this is basically "how to abuse somebody else's wlan connection without bothering them or you too much"
[08:53] <fabbione> ahah
[10:52] <zul> later..


[02:57] <nigelb> micahg: poke
[02:58] <micahg> nigelb: ow ;)
[02:58] <nigelb> micahg: hehe, for the removed from distro bugs, I'm thinking of a page where we can show package name, where it was removed from and the list of bugs in that package
[02:59] <nigelb> *removed from distro discusssion
[02:59] <micahg> nigelb: I think a link to bugs is better than a list
[02:59] <nigelb> that works too
[03:00] <nigelb> the idea is to have a single place to refer to
[03:00] <nigelb> I'll take a poke on it over the weekend, perhaps I should have an early alpha by monday
[03:02] <micahg> nigelb: good idea, one place to find work to do :)
[03:02] <nigelb> hehe :)
[03:03] <micahg> nigelb: in a similar vein, I just made a post to the bugsquad list regarding the bug day and a lot of bugs we can clear out
[03:36] <nigelb> micahg: um, you posted to bug control by mistake I guess instead of bug squad
[03:36] <micahg> nigelb: I posted to both I thought
[03:37] <nigelb> ah, cc :)
[04:30] <stenten> ...does adding a duplicate to a bug really not add an additional "This bug affects me too"?
[04:31] <micahg> stenten: what do you mean?
[04:31] <ddecator> i don't believe it does
[04:32] <stenten> micahg: the "This bug affects 1 person. Does this bug affect you?" part.
[04:32] <stenten> right below the title.
[04:32] <micahg> stenten: bug 343110
[04:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 343110 in malone "UI: When the bug that affects you is a duplicate the master doesn't affect you (affects: 14) (dups: 5) (heat: 90)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/343110
[04:33] <stenten> micahg: thanks.
[07:16] <zus> good evening everyone
[08:53] <BUGabundo_remote> humm...the smell of metal breakdown!does tap water fix that? /o\
[09:50] <arand> Could someone please change back Bug #553745  to "triaged" (someone random set it to comitted, erroneously if I've understood things correctly).
[09:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 553745 in plymouth (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 2 other projects) "plymouthd crashed with SIGSEGV in ply_event_loop_process_pending_events() (affects: 340) (dups: 59) (heat: 1862)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/553745
[10:33] <BUGabundo_remote> t
[11:48] <joumetal> Is https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376925 correct upstream report for bug #563415 ?
[11:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 563415 in epiphany-browser (Ubuntu) "Cacert.org Certificate Creation broken (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/563415
[11:48] <ubot2> Gnome bug 376925 in Backend:Mozilla "cacert.org root certificate inclusion" [Enhancement,Unconfirmed]
[12:22] <xelister> hi, is this a bug in iptables? or what
[12:22] <xelister> $ iptables -A scan_chk -j REJECT --reject-with host-unreach -m random --average 10
[12:23] <xelister> iptables v1.4.4: Couldn't load match `random':/lib/xtables/libipt_random.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:23] <xelister> in IP tables packaging.
[12:24] <xelister> ah
[12:25] <xelister> it should be:     -m statistic --mode random --probability 0.1    I think such example would be nice to put in manpage, since a lot of googled examples are in old format (confusing)https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/iptables/+bug/116257
[12:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 116257 in iptables (Ubuntu) "Any chance for iptables random module? (dups: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Fix released]
[13:03] <arand> Could someone please change back Bug #553745  to "triaged" (someone random set it to comitted, erroneously if I've understood things correctly).
[13:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 553745 in plymouth (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 2 other projects) "plymouthd crashed with SIGSEGV in ply_event_loop_process_pending_events() (affects: 340) (dups: 59) (heat: 1862)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/553745
[13:54] <ddecator> good morning
[13:55] <kermiac> hey ddecator :)
[13:55] <ddecator> hey mate
[13:55] <ddecator> hggdh: ping
[13:59] <hggdh> ddecator: good morning
[13:59] <ddecator> hggdh: good morning to you as well
[14:00] <hggdh> oh. kermiac is also around...
[14:00] <kermiac> hi hggdh
[14:00] <ddecator> yup
[14:00] <hggdh> ok. let me grab a coffee. 1 Min
[14:00] <kermiac> ok, sounds like a good plan :)
[14:01] <ddecator> yah, i'm gonna have to make some soon..
[14:02] <BUGabundo_remote> hey ddecator, kermiac, hggdh
[14:02] <ddecator> morning BUGabundo_remote
[14:02] <BUGabundo_remote> after lunch, actually
[14:02] <ddecator> morning here :)
[14:03] <hggdh> morning, BUGabundo_remote
[14:03] <hggdh> OK
[14:03] <kermiac> hey BUGabundo_remote :)
[14:03] <hggdh> kermiac, ddecator: here's the tale
[14:03] <hggdh> some time ago, I think during the Feisty cycle, I started writing an apport hook for evolution
[14:04] <hggdh> simple thing, no major deal. Except I wanted to clean up the GDB traces
[14:04] <hggdh> and *there* I had some issues
[14:05] <hggdh> opened a bug on them, etc, etc, piti stated he would look at it in the future, etc, etc
[14:05] <hggdh> but time passeth
[14:06] <hggdh> and the bloody apport hook not only is not complete, but we still have stacktraces with private dta
[14:06] <hggdh> so
[14:06] <hggdh> given you are full of {energy, ideas, ideals, whatever}, and given that I am old and tired...
[14:07] <hggdh> what about doing apport utilities for cleaning stacktraces?
[14:07] <hggdh> kermiac, ddecator, this is the point where you both say YES!
[14:07]  * hggdh awaits
[14:07] <ddecator> yes!
[14:08] <hggdh> hum. lower-case yes ;-)
[14:08] <kermiac> haha... yes too
[14:08] <ddecator> hggdh: mr. picky :p
[14:08] <hggdh> hum. huuummm. Not even exclamation point at the end
[14:08] <hggdh> THANK YOU BOTH
[14:08] <kermiac> I'm just thinking of how to do it :)
[14:09] <hggdh> I approached it in the wrong way when I started -- I made the *Evo* hook do the cleanup
[14:09] <ddecator> so you want a general hook then?
[14:10] <hggdh> yes, it should be an integral part of the apport utilities -- when apport starts, it should load the correct hook, so far so good
[14:11] <hggdh> but when it *generates* a GDB BT, if should call a sanitiser utility, *as long as* the hook initialised it
[14:11] <ddecator> ok..
[14:11] <hggdh> My Evo hook is using REs to do the cleanup
[14:12] <hggdh> and I will put it in a bzr under ~hggdh2/+junk/evo-hook
[14:12] <ddecator> danke
[14:12] <kermiac> ok
[14:12] <hggdh> bitte
[14:13] <hggdh> notice that for such a cleaner to work, the hook *must* give it variable names to look for, and etc, etc
[14:13] <hggdh> for evo I poured thru some 300 BTs looking for them
[14:13] <ddecator> the cleaning part shouldn't be too hard if private data tends to show up in certain ways (password:_____, etc), getting it to start at the right time will be tricky, at least for me haha, bug we can look into it :)
[14:13] <ddecator> s/bug/but
[14:14] <hggdh> ddecator: this is the bauty of regular expressions
[14:14] <hggdh> (RE)
[14:14] <hggdh> dammit
[14:14] <hggdh> s/bauty/beauty/
[14:14] <ddecator> ah, that's what RE stood for..
[14:14] <hggdh> yes, very sorry
[14:14] <ddecator> haha, no prob
[14:14] <ddecator> hggdh: so is there a time frame for this, or "before maverick"?
[14:15] <hggdh> hum. Not really, but the sooner the better
[14:15] <kermiac> hggdh: does the hook you started have a list of some of these RE's? Just to avoid us doubling up where you have already started
[14:15] <hggdh> (it has been in the back-oven since feisty, can wait a bit longer ;-)
[14:16] <kermiac> then we can look for others
[14:16] <ddecator> right. i won't have too much time to work on stuff for the next two weeks because of finals, but i'll definitely try to work on it and will have more time after school is done
[14:16] <zus> good a of m everyone
[14:16] <hggdh> kermiac: yes, my evo hook has the REs, and it is cleaning up IP addresses, FQDN, and variables
[14:16] <ddecator> morning zus
[14:16] <kermiac> ddecator: that's good timing for me too as I need to finish this indicator-applet hook first
[14:16] <ddecator> kermiac: good deal :)
[14:16] <zus> ddecator,  :)
[14:16] <hggdh> morn zus
[14:17] <kermiac> hey zus - sorry, I couldn't help it ;)
[14:17] <ddecator> that will give us a chance to look into it a bit and then start working on it in a couple of weeks
[14:17] <kermiac> yup, sounds like a good plan dray :)
[14:17] <hggdh> marvelous. Excellent. Fantastic
[14:17]  * hggdh runs out of praise, not used to
[14:17] <kermiac> haha.. don't thank us yet hggdh ;)
[14:18] <hggdh> oh. Yes, sorry. Rather wait and see ;-)
[14:18] <zus> kermiac,  yeah its a play on my name...funny thing is i got an award with hey zeus written as my name when i was in grade school
[14:19] <zus> so i am excited to be officially on the bug squad. - just have a few things to sort out here on my machine and i should be ready to go...
[14:19] <ddecator> zus: good to hear :)
[14:20] <kermiac> ok hggdh, can you pls ping us when you've uploaded the evo hook so we can look over what you've already done?
[14:20] <kermiac> obviously there's no rush as we probably wont be able to start it for a cpl of weeks
[14:20] <ddecator> yes please
[14:22] <ddecator> i think i'll review this -control app this morning..
[14:23] <hggdh> ddecator, kermiac: yes, I will do. I will also email both of you with an attachment -- a CSV file with all Evo bugs -- so that you can play and test
[14:23] <ddecator> hggdh: perfect, thanks :)
[14:23] <kermiac> thanks hggdh :)
[14:27] <kermiac> hggdh: just to clariify - do you want this hook to only clear private data from evolution-related BT's?
[14:28] <ddecator> i'm guessing all stacktraces?
[14:29] <hggdh> kermiac: no, I would rather have a generic apport utility (function|class)
[14:29] <hggdh> ddecator: yes indeed
[14:29] <kermiac> ok, evolution was just an example. thanks :)
[14:29] <ddecator> if we can pull this off, it will make triaging crashes a lot easier :)
[14:29] <hggdh> kermiac: it all started with Evo
[14:30] <hggdh> another point: apport bugs with sanitised stacktraces could be born public (instead of private)
[14:31] <arand> Could someone please change back Bug #553745  to "triaged" (someone random set it to comitted, erroneously if I've understood things correctly).
[14:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 553745 in plymouth (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 2 other projects) "plymouthd crashed with SIGSEGV in ply_event_loop_process_pending_events() (affects: 340) (dups: 59) (heat: 1862)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/553745
[14:32] <kermiac> ok, so basically it *should* mostly be about finding out what RE's we need to sanitise
[14:32] <ddecator> hggdh: except when it's a crash with a coredump i'm assuming
[14:35] <ddecator> arand: it was a dev that set it to fix committed and the branch is linked
[14:46] <hggdh> ddecator: an apport bug still with a coredump mean either apport-retracer has not gotten to it, or that
[14:46] <hggdh> apport-retracing failed
[14:46] <arand> ddecator: No, the branch and earlier fix commited was done by a dev, but it was set back to triaged by a dev since that fix didn't work this was also when the lp branch was added, back in mid-april, the current suggested plymouth patch is nowhere comitted (apart from in my PPA), and it should probably neither, taking the last commets by Gilles regarding it.
[14:46] <ddecator> hggdh: right, i just mean that it shouldn't be public right away
[14:48] <ddecator> arand: ah, you're right. i'll set it back
[14:53] <arand> ddecator: cheers
[15:10] <hggdh> kermiac, ddecator: branch created, bzr pull lp:~hggdh2/+junk/apport-bt-sanitiser
[15:10] <ddecator> hggdh: great, thanks!
[15:26] <slicer> Hi. Is there a way to mark bugs so that they'll automatically transition from "Fix Committed" to "Fix Released" once version x.y.z of a package is uploaded?
[15:27] <ddecator> if the bug is mentioned in the changelog, yes
[15:28] <arand> slicer: stick "LP: #nnnnnn" somewhere in the changelog.
[15:28] <slicer> Yes.. This is mumble, which is imported from Debian, and they're not really all that keen on mentioning LP bug # in the Debian changelog for some reason.
[15:29] <slicer> I also plan to fix this in the upstream so I don't really know if it belongs in the changelog. I certainly wouldn't put the change in there if it didn't match a bug/feature request posted on launchpad :)
[15:29] <ddecator> is there a separate changelog for the branch that imports it?
[15:29] <slicer> ddecator: Not that I know of, it's a straight import.
[15:32] <slicer> Guess I'll need to go back and update it manually once it is sync'd.
[15:39] <xoen> hi all
[15:43] <ddecator> hi xoen
[15:48] <atrus> the ubuntu help center's "free support" link in yelp links to http://www.ubuntu.com/support/free, which apparantly doesn't exist. any idea what that should be filed against?
[15:50] <greg-g> atrus: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website
[15:50] <greg-g> atrus: there are a ton of broken links now that the website was redesigned.
[15:50] <atrus> this one is straight off of system:help and support on the panel
[15:50] <greg-g> apparently redirects or care for stable URLs wasn't taken into account :/
[15:50] <atrus> in lucid no less. :/
[15:51] <greg-g> yeah, epiphany's start page has broken links as well
[16:06] <xelister> HELP
[16:07] <xelister> nopomuku still forces me to do sepuku :/
[16:07] <xelister> why each time I start a kde application I have to see some **** about nepomuk? I really dont care I just want to use my kmail god damnit ;)
[16:08] <dholbach> mdeslaur will give a Packaging Training session about "Preparing Security Updates" in #ubuntu-classroom at 18:00 UTC
[16:16] <nigelb> pedro_: can you renew my bug control membership please?
[16:16] <pedro_> nigelb, yeap one sec
[16:20] <xoen> hi, I have a problem with mysql-server. Service doesn't start anymore. I've removed it and /etc/mysql/ /etc/init.d/mysql and /var/lib/mysql/ and now reinstalled it but I get this error: http://pastebin.com/AMfwY34c
[16:23] <pedro_> nigelb, renewed
[16:24] <nigelb> pedro_: thanks :)
[16:24] <pedro_> np ;-)
[16:56] <dyllan> Any help needed?
[16:56] <jpds> All the time.
[16:56] <dyllan> Got basic python skills and good linux background.
[16:57] <jpds> dyllan: I suggest reading: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs
[16:57] <jpds> And feel free to ask questions in here.
[16:58] <dyllan> Ok.
[17:36] <zorton> i'm having a terrible time finding out if the issue closed by bug #554010 is going tob e pushed down to lucid
[17:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 554010 in kopete (Ubuntu) "Unable to connect to GTalk on port 443 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/554010
[17:40] <zorton> sounds like that's the debian bug number
[17:42] <hggdh> zorton: are you sure this is the correct bug #?
[17:42] <zorton> turns out it was the debian bug number
[17:42] <zorton> pretty bad break though, kill pam_tally2 on lucid
[17:42] <zorton> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=554010
[17:42] <ubot2> Debian bug 554010 in libpam-modules "libpam-modules: pam_tally2 binary not declared to be installed" [Important,Fixed]
[17:42] <hggdh> debian 554010
[17:44] <hggdh> zorton: is there an Ubuntu bug about it?
[17:44] <zorton> i'm new to the bug system so not sure
[17:44] <zorton> found: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pam/1.1.1-3ubuntu1/
[17:46] <hggdh> zorton: search for it (it should be under pam: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pam); if there is none, open one, and refer to the debian bug there
[17:46] <zorton> k, just found that page
[17:46] <hggdh> heh
[17:47] <hggdh> zorton: OK, this is the Maverick (ubuntu+1) package. If you need it on Lucid, you will have to request a SRU
[17:48] <hggdh> (if it is there)
[17:48] <zorton> SRU?
[17:49] <vish> !sru | zorton
[17:49] <ubot2> zorton: Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[17:49] <zorton> thank you
[17:49] <vish> np.
[17:51] <zorton> someone already has apparently, so that's cool but it's been sitting there for 14 days
[17:52] <hggdh> zorton: what is the bug #?
[17:53] <zorton> well teh bug that got it into SRU is #579826
[17:53] <hggdh> zorton: and, unfortunately, it can sit there for much longer...
[17:53] <hggdh> bug #579826
[17:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 579826 in pam (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "pam-auth-update loses user-specified module options if the module name has a digit in it (pam_krb5) (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/579826
[17:54] <skybon> hi all
[17:54] <zorton> file another SRU request to get it moving?
[17:54] <hggdh> zorton: I do not follow you -- the bug *has* been worked on, and a fix is in lucid-proposed
[17:55] <hggdh> where it will stay until someone affected by it installs the proposed fix, and confirms in the bug it does indeed fix the issue, and does not create new problems
[17:55] <zorton> fix is for an issue not related to the missing pam_tally module though
[17:57] <hggdh> zorton: so there is no SRU request for your issue...
[17:57] <zorton> yeah I would say so
[17:57] <Pici> It looks like that bug is for a different issue.. right?
[17:58] <zorton> Pici: yeah
[17:58] <hggdh> indeed
[17:58] <hggdh> and the version is *not* the fixed one, anyways
[17:58] <hggdh> zorton: please open a bug for it, and ask for cherry-picking this issue
[17:59] <zorton> let me get started
[18:21] <zorton> is there a special way to request cherry picking or just throw it in the report using the magic incantation "cherry-picking requested"
[18:23] <hggdh> zorton: it could be someting like "please fix debian xxxx on 10.04 LTS" and then explain why it is important to do so
[18:23] <zorton> k, just wanted to make sure I didn't need to put a tag or something in
[18:25] <hggdh> zorton: did it work on Karmic?
[18:26] <zorton> only just switched over to Ubuntu for lucid
[18:27] <zorton> switched from debian stable mainly for these type of issues, 5.0 dosen't have pam_tally2 and pam_tally acts like it works but dosen't enforce
[18:31] <hggdh> ok. Then just open the bug, no tags needed
[18:31] <balachmar> The installer of 10.04 says it has encountered an unrecoverable error and that a desktop session will be started, so that I can investigate it. What should I do?
[18:32] <hggdh> balachmar: I guess investigate... collect data, and then open a bug on it
[18:33] <balachmar> ok, but I asked here, because I have no clue where to start investigating :)
[18:43] <balachmar> hggdh: well one thing I find is a buffer I/O error on sr0 in the kern.log. Is that the dvd drive?
[18:45] <hggdh> balachmar: yes, probably it is the CD/DVD
[18:46] <balachmar> hggdh: but I did let it do a selfcheck already...
[20:33] <optix> I believe bug #586499 should be updated to wishlist.
[20:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 586499 in evolution (Ubuntu) "Making a search in evolution keep search keywords even after reboot (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/586499
[20:34] <xteejx> Hey guys. After speaking to a few people in #ubuntu it seems that the disappearing nm-applet in the top panel has returned with a vengence
[20:34] <optix> Can someone help me update it to wishlist?
[20:34] <xteejx> I haven't experienced it yet, but how can users connect with iwconfig to wifi without using the nm-applet?
[20:36] <hggdh> optix: done
[20:36] <optix> hggdh: thanks
[20:55] <teurastaja> i have a permanent graphics address remapping table bug with possible asic involvement
[20:56] <teurastaja> its very impeding
[20:56] <teurastaja> its not just annoying: its disabling
[20:58] <teurastaja> the most helpful hint i have is the kernel tries to force the gart to 32M just after chainloading
[20:59] <ChogyDan> teurastaja: I know someone suggested you to go here, but I think this room is more about launchpad bug reports.  If you want it fixed in Ubuntu, I would file a bug, and then maybe ask in #ubuntu-devel  (not that I really know)
[20:59] <teurastaja> it says [drm:rs400_gart_adjust_size] *ERROR*
[21:01] <teurastaja> well it totally prevents sidebar interaction with running programs
[21:05] <stenten> teurastaja: from what you're saying on ubuntu-devel, it sounds like you should 'ubuntu-bug linux'.
[21:09] <teurastaja> what?
[21:10] <teurastaja> am i saying anything wrong?
[21:11] <stenten> no, it's just that if you file a bug, it has a chance of being seriously looked at and fixed. By just talking about it on irc, you only get whoever is looking at the screen at the time.   I need some help with bugs #578894 and #578909. They were marked Incomplete by an automated script, but I believe I had provided the required information...
[21:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 578894 in linux (Ubuntu) "Cannot detect AC adapter status and battery charge status on Acer Aspire 4820TG (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 112)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/578894
[21:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 578909 in linux (Ubuntu) "acer_wmi blocks wlan rfkill status to disabled on Acer Aspire 4820TG (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/578909
[21:49] <tawmas> Please, help me understand if there's anything more I can do...
[21:50] <micahg> JFo: ^^^
[22:00] <vish> tawmas: you can set it back to "new" [as indicated in the comment] the script needs some work ;)
[22:03] <tawmas> vish: thanks, I'm doing that right now
[22:06] <tawmas1> sorry, my router is flaky these days
[22:13] <vish> tawmas1: you might have selected the wrong option while submitting the bug , hence got tagged wrong .. [script seems to have correctly found the bug since it was was tagged needs testing]
[22:15]  * vish has occasionally found the script be a bit over-zealous
[22:15] <tawmas1> vish: I think apport just adds that tag without asking questions... ;-)
[22:16] <vish> tawmas1: nah , there *is* a question , but too many questions that you might have just clicked "next" ;)
[22:16] <tawmas1> vish: maybe
[22:17] <tawmas1> vish: I know for sure I was asked questions that made me go puzzled...
[22:18] <tawmas1> vish: is there anything I can do to have those bugs make more progress? I'm totally at loss with kernel bugs, but I might try reporting upstream if it's useful
[22:20] <vish> tawmas1: JFo is the right person , i'v just noticed the apport/script problems since i have reported a few kernel bugs ;p
[22:20] <JFo> vish, what script problems
[22:20] <JFo> they are working just like i want them to
[22:20] <JFo> :)
[22:21] <JFo> tawmas1, what bugs?
[22:21] <tawmas1> JFo: #578894 and #578909
[22:21] <vish> JFo: hehe , i have occasionally found them a bit over-zealous in marking bugs incomplete , but it might have been improved now :D
[22:22] <JFo> vish, when was that? they have undergone 4 revisions in the last 6 months?
[22:23] <vish> JFo: must have been a couple of months ago , not recent from what i recall
[22:23] <tawmas1> JFo: the comment should hint about setting the bug back to New...
[22:23] <JFo> hmmm, ok :)
[22:23] <JFo> tawmas1, that is because i don't want them set to new
[22:24] <JFo> they are by definition not new
[22:24] <tawmas1> JFo: sorry, that's what I was just told to do...
[22:25] <JFo> it's cool
[22:25] <vish> JFo: if tested upstream , one should set it to "confirmed" ?
[22:26] <JFo> yeah, I prefer that over new
[22:26] <JFo> I am writing out the new rules now, but they aren't done
[22:26] <vish> ah, cool
[22:26] <JFo> plus I am asking for some new statuses from LP
[22:27] <JFo> tawmas1, you and I have done all we can do. It is on to the subsystem reviewers now
[22:28] <tawmas1> JFo: cool...
[22:28] <JFo> :)
[22:31] <tawmas1> JFo: I can try to forward the bug upstream if it's useful... Would be my first time with the kernel, but probably I won't die in the attempt ;-)
[22:32] <JFo> heh, well, it mostly depends on whether it already exists in some form upstream
[22:32] <JFo> may be worthwhile to look
[22:32] <JFo> the guys prefer to grab things from stable branch, but they aren't against pre stable
[22:32] <tawmas1> JFo: OK, I'll wait and see then
[22:33] <JFo> cool
[22:34] <tawmas1> thank you guys, I think I'll go to bed now... ;-)
[22:49] <stenten> Man. I wish we could delete comments sometimes. So many superfluous "me too"s....
[23:04] <xelister> I just hate when computer tries to be smarter then me
[23:04] <xelister> yeah kmail I dont give ***** that this openpgp key expired, please please please just allow me to sign using it anyways...
[23:16] <xelister> does this proble seem like something that can be fixed?  is it more of a bug or wish?
[23:18] <charlie-tca> the pgp key?
[23:18] <charlie-tca> wish; probably invalid, since it is doing what it should be doing if you use a signature key
[23:36] <hggdh> agreed


[11:06] <froud> African Greetings
[01:05] <mdke> hi all
[01:06] <mdke> froud, you know the aboutubuntu document there are two pages? how come the first page doesn't not have a title in the left hand menu bar of yelp? the second page has one. Is this intentional?
[01:06] <froud> No it is not
[01:07] <mdke> oh
[01:07] <froud> the should be resolved do a svn up and check in your working copy
[01:07] <mdke> hmm
[01:07] <froud> problem was yelp does not know what to do with images
[01:07] <mdke> i checked last night but will update again
[01:07] <froud> in the title
[01:10] <froud> Hmm it was not fixed
[01:10] <froud> but I dont want to chang eit now due to the string freeze
[01:11] <mdke> ok np
[01:11] <froud> but did you notice that the Help now has the ubuntu stuff on the first page
[01:12] <froud> And About Ubuntu option now opens the correct document
[01:12] <mdke> yeah that is really good
[01:13] <mdke> its a shame about that aboutubuntu thing
[01:13] <froud> these things happen
[01:13] <froud> it's open source so people do what they can
[01:14] <froud> and we had lots to do, so things like this are just an annoyance
[01:14] <mdke> yeah
[03:07] <Liz> anyone know anything about usb ports?
[03:07] <froud> why what is wrong
[03:08] <Liz> did an upgrade just recently..now i have no usb ports at all
[03:08] <Liz> it doesnt show up in /dev/
[03:08] <Liz> nothing
[03:08] <froud> cant help
[03:08] <froud> hav eyou tried #ubuntu
[03:11] <Liz> yes
[03:11] <Liz> tried earlier today as well
[03:11] <Liz> i really need to get that to work..my assignments for uni are on there
[03:12] <Liz> its easier than emailing to myself
[03:12] <froud> :-( sorry I am not much help
[03:15] <Liz> oh well..no worries
[03:16] <Liz> i just wonder what they updated, that makes it this way
[03:16] <froud> Liz: try #ubuntu-devel
[03:16] <froud> they will be interested to know this happend
[03:21] <Liz> i also just emailed the list
[04:04] <Liz> and posted a bugzilla now too
[04:04] <Liz> neway..im going to bed..its after midnight..and i got tests tomorrow
[04:04] <Liz> ugh
[04:04] <Liz> nite froud
[04:04] <froud> c ya
[04:05] <froud> sweet dream
[04:43] <habib> My soundcore.ko n other files r with out permission, this could be cause I update my gcc version!? what should I do!?
[04:43] <froud> you should try ask on #ubuntu
[04:45] <habib> I already try! but no body answer me :(
[04:46] <froud> you could try changing the permissions on the required files
[04:47] <froud> sorry I cannot be of much help, but if this is a problem due to an upgrade made via synaptic or apt-get install then you should bring the problem attention of the #ubuntu-devel
[04:48] <habib> already try tihs, but root don't have permission :s
[04:48] <froud> if it is cause of a manual upgrade then you will have to ask on #kubuntu
[04:48] <habib> I wiil try there
[04:48] <froud> change the permissions using sudo
[04:48] <froud> ok
[04:48] <habib> thanx froud, I will try
[05:34] <skyrider> Guys, did someone of you noticed soma strange behaviour of ubuntu wiki?
[05:34] <skyrider> About two hours ago I changed a page about myself (AlexeyMolchanov) and saved it.
[05:35] <skyrider> But now I reload that page and I see 1 week old copy of my page :(((
[05:35] <froud> skyrider: you sure your browser is or proxy is not caching
[05:36] <skyrider> froud: i'll try one more time now...
[05:36] <froud> just refrsh 3 times
[05:36] <froud> in a row
[05:37] <skyrider> I refreshed 3 times (with control+refresh) - nothing changed :(
[05:40] <froud> give me the url
[05:42] <skyrider> froud: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AlexeyMolchanov
[05:43] <froud> what did you change
[05:43] <skyrider> little addons there and there... nothing global
[05:43] <froud> iow what should i c that you dont see now
[05:44] <skyrider> I greatly changed "My current Ubuntu activities"
[05:45] <froud> dude i cant help if dont know what you wrote, give examples
[05:45] <skyrider> "I'm planning to create Russian Local Community Team." I changed to "I've created Russian Local Community Team". Also I added info about forum http://forum.ubuntu-ru.org/ and wiki
[05:45] <skyrider> Is that enought?
[05:45] <froud> hold
[05:46] <skyrider> Previous version of that page didn't had references to  http://forum.ubuntu-ru.org/ at all
[05:48] <froud> skyrider: yeah, totally lost all edits
[05:48] <froud> and nothing in history
[05:48] <froud> i have no way to help
[05:49] <froud> other than suggest try again :-(
[05:49] <skyrider> froud: :(
[05:49] <skyrider> froud: thanks for help anyway
[05:49] <skyrider> I'll start all over again...
[05:49] <froud> anyone else know this prblem
[09:14] <mdke> anyone know anything about the wiki rss feed?
[10:59] <skyrider> Hi guys! There is a problem with https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki :(
[11:00] <skyrider> When I try to access it I got:
[11:00] <skyrider> Bad Gateway
[11:00] <skyrider> The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server.
[11:00] <skyrider> Additionally, a 502 Bad Gateway error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
[11:00] <skyrider> :(
[11:02] <skyrider> Bad Gateway
[11:02] <skyrider> The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server.
[11:02] <skyrider> Oops, sorry for dup :(
[11:03] <mdke> #ubuntu-devel
[11:03] <skyrider> mdke: should I say this on #ubuntu-devel?
[11:04] <mdke> they can reboot the server
[11:05] <skyrider> ok
[11:05] <mdke> seems to work now
[11:05] <skyrider> yep, works again
[11:05] <skyrider> good :)


[11:27] <mup> Bug #1988976 opened: More than one ScriptResult traceback when processing commissioning <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1988976>
[11:30] <mup> Bug #1988976 changed: More than one ScriptResult traceback when processing commissioning <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1988976>
[11:33] <mup> Bug #1988976 opened: More than one ScriptResult traceback when processing commissioning <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1988976>


[14:01] <joeubuntu> Hey all.
[14:01] <didrocks> hey hey!
[14:11] <joeubuntu> Is it just you and I didrocks ? Anything we need to review?
[14:13] <didrocks> joeubuntu: looks like it, I’m handling the desktop MIRs and let’s just skip the review for the week IMHO.
[14:13] <joeubuntu> ok. have a great day didrocks !
[14:13] <didrocks> and have another meeting when everyone is around
[14:13] <didrocks> thanks, you too joeubuntu :)
[14:24] <doko> sorry, late here. just would like to make sure that we don't miss any new stuff when the freeze is approaching


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[15:39] <BUGabundo> good afternoon
[15:42] <fta> BUGabundo, hey
[15:43] <fta> BUGabundo, no Portuguese translators interested in chromium?? http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/chromium/translations/trunk/converter-output.html
[15:46] <BUGabundo> not really
[15:47] <BUGabundo> not my thing
[15:47] <BUGabundo> let me ask our translation team
[21:23] <gnomefreak> chrome wont open links properly. it opens  its start page but never the page it should open
[21:26] <gnomefreak> right click link and choose open in tab or browser it still opens the home page only. default or my own
[21:27] <gnomefreak> sorry doesnt seem to be able to open in tab.
[21:29] <gnomefreak> opening a link from terminal in irssi if you choose "open link" it opens the link in a tab