[06:12] <siloxid> Pyro_Killer: weird.  I have a retinal macbook pro at work and I can read fonts that are 3 sizes smaller because they are so much sharper
[06:12] <Heretic718> A brilliant argument.
[06:12] <Dr_Willis> hellyeah:  demand a refund.. have a nice day.
[06:12] <hellyeah> when i got error from ubuntu 13.04 it aske me to upgrade ubuntu 13.10 wyh
[06:13] <hellyeah> wth?
[06:13] <Dr_Willis> perhaps state the problem in a more clear syntax hellyeah  and less ranting.
[06:13] <topper4125> Not sure you have to really demand one... a simple request is sufficient.
[06:13] <hellyeah> hmm
[06:14] <sgp667> hey I am trying to run a shell script through startup applications but it only executes the first command, on the other hand when I run that script by clicking on it everything runs perfectly
[06:14] <Dr_Willis> sgp667:  pastebin the while script
[06:14] <Dr_Willis> shole
[06:14] <hellyeah> okey i still got the bug warning from ubuntu 13.04. is 13.10 stable? wonder about that
[06:14] <Dr_Willis> whole ;P
[06:14] <Dr_Willis> hellyeah:  13.10 is the current release. came out a few weeks ago.
[06:14] <hellyeah> hmm ubuntu asked me about upgrading yesterday
[06:15] <Dr_Willis> 14.04 lts release will come out in like 6 months
[06:15] <wylde> 13.10 has been working fine here.
[06:15] <Heretic718> 13.10 is great here.
[06:15] <hellyeah> wonder why at the time 13.04 has still bugs, you release new version.
[06:15]  * topper4125 only runs LTS to LTS
[06:15] <Heretic718> I have no idea what I'm doing and everything.
[06:15] <sgp667> Dr_Willis: http://pastebin.com/XUxmJ3np
[06:15] <Heretic718> And it's still not on fire.
[06:16] <siloxid> hellyeah: all software has bugs
[06:16] <wylde> sgp667, you're shebang #1 ?
[06:16] <wylde> your*
[06:16] <wylde> #!
[06:16]  * topper4125 wonders why Vista still have service updates... that was 2 OS's ago... and no one used it
[06:16] <sgp667> wylde: ups...
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> ;)
[06:17] <sgp667> wylde: on the other hand it worked already
[06:17] <socialcoder> my ubuntu wont load
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> # was used as a comment perhaps
[06:17] <wylde> sgp667, was just the first thing I noticed
[06:17] <socialcoder> I am getting ubunto failed to load error after I installed and uninstalled cinnamon
[06:17] <socialcoder> can someone help please?
[06:17] <hellyeah> hmm
[06:18] <Heretic718> Did anyone's computer run more quietly after a Ubuntu install?
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> socialcoder:  done a 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop' perhaps?
[06:18] <sgp667> wylde: anyway let me reboot my compute to see if it works now
[06:18] <Heretic718> THis thing used to sound like a freight train.
[06:18] <siloxid> Heretic718: all the noise on my machine is from the gpu, but it's never run anything else  :D
[06:18] <socialcoder> I did sudo apt-get update
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> Heretic718:  with the right video card /powr saveing stuff.. the fans can be slowed down
[06:18] <wylde> sgp667, also it may have ignored the shebang running manually if your shell is bash. A startup script I presume relies on it.
[06:18] <socialcoder> sudo apt-get install unity
[06:18] <topper4125> my fans rarely kick into 'second gear' on this machine Heretic718
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> socialcoder:  unity is not the same as 'ubuntu-desktop'
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> socialcoder:  its possible you removed extra stuff
[06:19] <socialcoder> I am sorry, very brand new to linux world
[06:19] <socialcoder> 2 days old
[06:19] <wylde> my upgrade from 13.04 to 13.10 actually fixed a sound issue o.O
[06:19] <socialcoder> well, I did what u said
[06:19] <Heretic718> It's running cooler too. I'm thoroughly impressed with Linux.
[06:19] <socialcoder> it says ubuntu desktop is the newset version
[06:20] <siloxid> which display manager is the default on ubuntu 13.04?  gdm, lightdm or something else?
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> siloxid:  lightdm has been the default for some time now
[06:20] <wylde> siloxid, lightdm
[06:20] <topper4125> !yay | Heretic718
[06:20] <thatguy001> how can I successfully install boot repair so that I can boot ubuntu 12.07 off of a UEFI
[06:20] <thatguy001> ?
[06:20] <socialcoder> Dr_Willis
[06:20] <socialcoder> what do I do
[06:20] <thatguy001> 12.04**
[06:21] <sgp667> wylde: so after correcting shebang I am getting same result :(
[06:21] <wylde> sgp667, check the logs for error messages?
[06:22] <sgp667> wylde: linux is still new to me, where would I access them?
[06:22] <wylde> sgp667, /var/log
[06:24] <gordonjcp> sgp667: looking at your script, line 3 is probably wrong
[06:24] <wylde> sgp667, doh! the .
[06:24] <wylde> ./home
[06:25] <gordonjcp> sgp667: yup, you probably mean /home and not ./home ;-)
[06:25] <sgp667> gordonjcp, what?? i thought that you always need the . when using cd
[06:25] <gordonjcp> sgp667: no
[06:25] <Dr_Willis> seems weird that script works at all
[06:25] <gordonjcp> sgp667: dot at the start of a path means "this directory"
[06:25] <gordonjcp> Dr_Willis: yeah
[06:25] <sgp667> gordonjcp: wow
[06:25] <gordonjcp> sgp667: in some directory with not much stuff in it, do "ls -a"
[06:25] <gordonjcp> sgp667: see how at the top, you've got "." and ".." ?
[06:25] <Dr_Willis> sgp667:  see if you got a config file in your /home/username  its actually useing
[06:26] <gordonjcp> sgp667: "." means "this directory" and ".." means "the parent directory"
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> that cd command would fail i think..    so it mightbe running the config from a differnt place
[06:27] <wylde> I bet there's a .conkyrc in ~
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> or you could use conky -c /home/yourusername/whatever/thenameof-the-config-file  &
[06:27] <LordHeretic718> Is there a direct command to the workpage switcher?
[06:27] <LordHeretic718> Like a ctrl+V type thing
[06:27] <Anurag> hello any one there for help me over ubuntu
[06:27] <sgp667> gordonjcp right so you are saying that because I am starting with home/ there is not need for ".", is that correct?
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> LordHeretic718:  press and hold the super key to see a list of shortcuts
[06:27] <gordonjcp> sgp667: correct
[06:28] <gordonjcp> sgp667: the dot means "start from here"
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> sgp667:  ./means a relative path..
[06:28] <gordonjcp> which is definitely not what you want
[06:28] <LordHeretic718> Sorry to be a three day Linux user, but whats a super key?
[06:28] <sgp667>  ok noted
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> LordHeretic718:  the windows key on some keybpoards
[06:28] <wylde> LordHeretic718, "windows" key
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> !manual  | LordHeretic718
[06:29] <Anurag> hey any one there
[06:29] <cybearg> Hey. Hopefully someone's available to help me out. I'm new with Ubuntu and I have a pretty major problem.
[06:29] <SwedeMike> !anyone | Anurag
[06:29] <wylde> Anurag, ask the question you want the answer to :)
[06:29] <Dr_Willis> !ask
[06:29] <gordonjcp> !anyone | cybearg
[06:30] <sgp667> gordonjcp Dr-Willis but eve with all of these flaws in the script I am able to get it to run just not at startup, would that suggest an issue with .desktop file or something like that>
[06:30] <siloxid> gordonjcp: someone just typed that
[06:30] <Anurag> i want to install data card in my ubuntu 9.10 so help me out
[06:30] <Ben64> Anurag: 9.10 is ancient and unsupported. you need to get a recent version
[06:30] <cybearg> I disabled my adminstrator's password by unlocking the account and setting password to none. However, apparently now with sudo and other things, I still need a password. I'm not able to unlock and re-enable my original password. How do I re-enable my password or, alternately, what is my "blank" password?
[06:31] <Anurag> so get me supportable version
[06:31] <gordonjcp> sgp667: not necessarily
[06:31] <Dr_Willis> Anurag:  and whats a 'data card' ?
[06:31] <Dr_Willis> !download | Anurag
[06:31] <wylde> cybearg, use sudo
[06:31] <Ben64> Anurag: download and install 12.04 or 13.10 depending on what your needs are
[06:31] <gordonjcp> cybearg: "administrator's password"?  Do you mean root password? There isn't one
[06:31] <cybearg> I can't, wylde, because it requires a password.
[06:31] <Anurag> its usb Internet dongels
[06:31] <gordonjcp> cybearg: you'd use sudo, and your own password
[06:31] <wylde> cybearg, it's your users password
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> Anurag:  you mean a Wifi Network Usb adaptor? or a 3g/4g Cellphone network adaptor?
[06:32] <sgp667> gordonjcp so I will reboot the computer again to see if it will work again
[06:32] <cybearg> Well, all I know is that I went to User Accounts, unlocked it with the password I set when installing Ubuntu, then set it to have no password, but apparently I actually still need it. Neither blank (just hitting enter) nor my old password work to authenticate anything.
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> we need to tell sgp667 he dosent need to reboot... ;)
[06:32] <gordonjcp> cybearg: so you've set your own password to be blank?
[06:33] <tozen> Dr_Willis: too late hi is off
[06:33] <Anurag> actually am faces the problem when am install the software which is given in the dongles
[06:33] <cybearg> Yes. I didn't want to have to continually enter it all the time.
[06:33] <gordonjcp> cybearg: yeah, that's not how you do that ;-)
[06:33] <gordonjcp> !password | cybearg
[06:33] <cybearg> Is there any way to un-do this aside from reinstalling Ubuntu from scratch?
[06:33] <Dr_Willis> Anurag:  its doubtfull that any software that came with  the dongle is up to date with the linux releases
[06:33] <gordonjcp> cybearg: read what ubottu just told you ;-)
[06:33] <Ben64> cybearg: what happens if you open a terminal and type "su - $USER"
[06:34] <Anurag> yes am recently purchase it and the company they said its supported to ubuntu 9.10 but i cant insatll please help me
[06:34] <Dr_Willis> sgp667:  you dont need to reboot.. just log out/back in
[06:34] <cybearg> I get prompted for a password, Ben64
[06:34] <sgp667> gordonjcp, Dr_Willis I am still getting the same result :(
[06:35] <Ben64> cybearg: ok, well that password (for your user) is what you need for sudo
[06:35] <sgp667> Dr-Willis next time I will
[06:35] <Dr_Willis> Anurag:  you need to use a newer version of ubuntu. if that company only supports 9.10 then i wouldent put much faith in that company
[06:35] <Ben64> cybearg: i'd imagine if you had no password that it wouldn't ask for one
[06:35] <cybearg> But it's been removed. Typing my password gets "authentication failure"
[06:35] <cybearg> Because I set it to blank.
[06:35] <Ben64> let me fire up a VM and try what you did
[06:35] <cybearg> But just hitting enter or typing "blank" doesn't work, either.
[06:35] <thatguy001> how do I use gparted to create an EFI partition?
[06:36] <wylde> cybearg, try passwd at terminal hit enter if it asks for the current password
[06:36] <Anurag> okey can you provide me a cd of lateast version at my home address
[06:36] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys when i run rkhunter i got this error, is this normal? Warning: Group 'winbindd_priv' has been added to the group file.
[06:36] <Psil0Cybin> perhaps created in an app
[06:36] <Psil0Cybin> ?
[06:36] <Psil0Cybin> from an app?
[06:36] <Ben64> cybearg: ok, so what exactly did you do
[06:36] <Dr_Willis> Anurag:  go download it.. or buy it in a linux magazine at a book store perhaps
[06:36] <cybearg> wylde, that did it, thank you!
[06:36] <cybearg> Ben64, I set my password to blank by going to User Accounts -> Unlock -> And then disabling the password.
[06:37] <tozen> hi all! gals how can i see an ubottu commands what you use frequentely? i mean <!password | Anurag> as example. thx
[06:37] <wylde> cybearg, don't do it again lol
[06:37] <cybearg> I did it by going to Action -> Log in without a password
[06:37] <Psil0Cybin> if i am not misaken guys i think the winbindd_priv is used by samba?
[06:37] <Anurag> okey and as well as you can provide me tutorial of ubuntu actually i want expert over linux os
[06:37] <Dr_Willis> !brain | tozen
[06:37] <wylde> !bot > tozen
[06:37] <Ben64> cybearg: so you've got it working now?
[06:37] <cybearg> Seemed straightforward enough and it was super-easy to get to the option. I had no idea it would delete my root password while still keeping everything locked.
[06:37] <Dr_Willis> !manual | Anurag
[06:37] <cybearg> Yes, thanks.
[06:37] <Ben64> !yay | cybearg
[06:38] <cybearg> I have another, more complicated issue, though.
[06:38] <wylde> mmmmm botspam
[06:38] <gordonjcp> sgp667: okay
[06:39] <cybearg> I am running this on a Toshiba laptop that I have hooked a second monitor to. I closed the laptop and left it shut so I can just connect through the monitor/external mouse/keyboard. Problem is, when the tablet is shut, actions in Ubuntu cause the screen (the image on the external monitor) to flicker.
[06:39] <gordonjcp> sgp667: talk me through what you're trying to do here
[06:39] <Anurag> thankx but my issue still not resolved so when i install 13.10 version then i can easily install my tata photon usb dongle
[06:39] <cybearg> It may be a driver issue, so how do I download the latest ATI Mobility Radeon drivers for Ubuntu?
[06:39] <gordonjcp> sgp667: why does the script sleep for 20 seconds?
[06:40] <sgp667> gordonjcp advice from conky's faq that's all
[06:40] <Dr_Willis> Anurag:  for all we know the drivers might be included in 13.10
[06:40] <wylde> cybearg, have you tried the "additional drivers" tool?
[06:40] <Anurag> okey thankx for you support
[06:41] <sgp667> gordonjcp for me all that matters is that the two instances of conky start automatically
[06:41] <cybearg> Yes, wylde, but I got nothing from it.
[06:42] <sodomizer> what is required to watch videos from your NTFS partition?
[06:42] <Dr_Willis> sodomizer:  a video player....
[06:42] <sodomizer> the default movie player freezes when I load it
[06:42] <Dr_Willis> try a differnt one then perhaps
[06:42] <wylde> cybearg, ahh alrighty. Best place to start IMHO. However I have 0 experience with ATI video.
[06:42] <thatguy001> anybody?
[06:42] <sodomizer> what do you use?
[06:42] <Dr_Willis> i watch videos from ntfs partions all the time
[06:43] <cybearg> Is there a terminal command I can use to download the latest drivers from somewhere? Or a website I can download them from?
[06:43] <Dr_Willis> sodomizer:  theres several video players in the repos.
[06:43] <Dr_Willis> sodomizer:  try a differnt one
[06:43] <sgp667> gordonjcp provided that it is an issue with Startup Application would it be possible to start conky using cron?
[06:43] <Dr_Willis> !info vlc
[06:43] <cybearg> wylde, opening Additional Drivers just gives me an empty window that says "No proprietary drivers are in use on this system."
[06:43] <sodomizer> thanks
[06:44] <gordonjcp> sgp667: where are you trying to start it from?
[06:44] <Dr_Willis> sgp667:  should i point out that the 'conky-manager' tool can auto-create the scripts and .desktop entry to get conky to auto start at login for you. ;)
[06:44] <sgp667> gordonjcp Zorin 6
[06:44] <wylde> cybearg, yeah. I got that. I have only ever dealt with Intel and nvidia myself.
[06:44] <gordonjcp> sgp667: what?
[06:44] <gordonjcp> what's Zorin 6?
[06:44] <sgp667> Dr-Willis I completlly forgot about it I'll give it a try right now
[06:44] <wylde> Zorin is an ubuntu based distro
[06:45] <sgp667> gordonjcp did you mean what distro I am using?
[06:45] <sgp667> q
[06:45] <topper4125> Zorin is a Ubuntu based distro... lots of eyecandy for the Win-look
[06:45] <gordonjcp> sgp667: no, I meant what are you calling that script from?
[06:45] <topper4125> *and mac look too
[06:46] <phuh> Smuxi or ZNC?
[06:46] <topper4125> it has themes from win95 up to win7 plus OSX built in
[06:46] <topper4125> other than that... standard *buntu stuff included.
[06:46] <gordonjcp> topper4125: each to their own, I suppose
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> sgp667:  all i did was use that tool. then tweaked their configs by hand. ;)
[06:46] <phuh> Anyone? Smuxi or ZNC?
[06:47] <Dr_Willis> phuh:  depends on your needs
[06:47] <Dr_Willis> !info smuxi
[06:47] <wylde> phuh, ask an actual question perhaps?
[06:47] <Dr_Willis> since one is an irc CLIENT - the other is a irc bouncer
[06:47] <thatguy001> can someone please talk to me?
[06:47] <phuh> thatguy001: i'll talk to you
[06:47] <Dr_Willis> any irc client can be set to use ZNC :) thats a main feature of using znc
[06:47] <phuh> !info smuxi
[06:47] <Dr_Willis> !info znc
[06:48] <sgp667> gordonjcp the application that runs shell script is called "Startup Applications Preferences" it was installed with distro, let me try what Dr_Willis said before I bother you with more questions :)
[06:48] <phuh> so znc is definitely more flexible solution?
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> sgp667:  i never use that tool. i make the scripts in ~/.config/autostart/ by hand
[06:48] <thatguy001> phuh do you know how to use gparted to create an EFI partition?
[06:48] <phuh> thatguy001: no
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> phuh:  thats like asking whats better.. a shovel..or a chainsaw..
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> phuh:  they are 2 totally differnt tools
[06:49] <thatguy001> phuh i guess the people who are supposed to be answering questions are busu
[06:49] <thatguy001> busy
[06:49] <phuh> smuxi is not just a client though
[06:49] <cybearg> Okay, I think I found drivers for Linux on ATI's website.
[06:49] <phuh> it has client-server thing
[06:49] <cybearg> But now my question: How do I run a .run package?
[06:49] <phuh> its own debouncer
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  as far as i know. you have a totallyt unpartioned hd.. it will ask.. or check the menus for gparted
[06:50] <phuh> what clients do you guys use then?
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> phuh:  and now you tell us..   compare features and see what does what you want.
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> phuh:  i tend to use weechat often with znc
[06:50] <phuh> oh
[06:50] <phuh> so you are a znc user. that's great to know
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> Im not using it right now, but i have in the past
[06:51] <phuh> why not anymore?
[06:51] <Dr_Willis> weechat has a feature i can connect to it from my android-weechat client ;)
[06:51] <irenicus09> !info irssi
[06:51] <Dr_Willis> but right now im on my netbook with wechat
[06:51] <Dr_Willis> weechat has the best feature set of most any irc client ive seen
[06:51] <irenicus09> yesh my baby :)
[06:51] <phuh> can't you still use znc on the server and just connect from android to it?
[06:52] <wylde> thatguy001, ask your question and give details. If someone knows they'll respond. Ask again periodically, in the meantime you can search http://askubuntu.com for answers.
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> phuh:   i could if i wanted to.
[06:52] <phuh> irenicus09: irssi?
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> I perfer weechat over irssi
[06:52] <irenicus09> phuh: yes
[06:52] <cybearg> Guys? I've downloaded a driver package which is a .zip file containing a .run package. How do I execute the .run package?
[06:52] <irenicus09> weechat is good too if u just want it to work out of the box
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> cybearg:  a driver for what exactly?
[06:53] <phuh> what would be the best irc client on mac?
[06:53] <cybearg> Driver for my ATI card.
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> cybearg: the use of .run driver packages - is most likely not a good idea
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> !ati | cybearg
[06:53]  * topper4125 using irssi
[06:54] <phuh> topper4125: such a hacker
[06:55] <cybearg> I've tried opening the Additional Drivers thing (program? setting?) and it just has nothing in it.
[06:55] <topper4125> <-- minimalist
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> cybearg:  could be your card is no longer supported by the current fglrx drivers.
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> cybearg:  and what is your card?
[06:56] <phuh> i'm very curious. can i get a screenshot of a irc master's desktop?
[06:56] <cybearg> It's a Radeon Mobility 3450/3470
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> phuh:  its a window with this channel in it,. fullscreened
[06:56] <cybearg> Err, Mobility Radeon HD 3450/3470 technically
[06:57] <phuh> hard to imagine for a irc noob.
[06:57] <Dr_Willis> cybearg:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[06:57] <cybearg> Yes, it's supported.
[06:57] <Dr_Willis> phuh:  a screen full of text? hmm
[06:57] <cybearg> SO what do I do now?
[06:57] <phuh> so you just chat full time?
[06:57] <Dr_Willis> cybearg:  determine if it uses the fglrx driver or open sourced..
[06:58] <LordHeretic718> Ok guys, I'm going to bed. Thanks for all of your help and I will be back.
[06:58] <Dr_Willis> cybearg:  that list shows its fully supported by the included open sourced drivers
[06:58] <helmut_> hi
[06:58] <cybearg> Well, I have a problem with screen flickering when things are moving.
[06:58] <topper4125> I wouldn't necessarily call myself a irc master... but here you go: http://s23.postimg.org/6m7d9dc3f/Screenshot_from_2013_10_26_00_57_14.png
[06:59] <cybearg> The reason I wanted to try updating drivers is because my second monitor display flickers horribly whenever something is changing on-screen. For instance, if I drag this chat window, the screen becomes unreadable with flicker.
[06:59] <phuh> topper4125: thanks man i get a better picture now
[06:59] <Dr_Willis> cybearg:  and how old is that video card?
[06:59] <dupin> cybearg: use radeon driver instead of fglrx
[07:00] <cybearg> How do I do that, dupin? And the laptop, and the card, are about 6 years old.
[07:00] <cybearg> It didn't flicker with a second monitor under Windows 7, nor when the laptop was open.
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> cybearg:  i doubt  if the fglrx driver supports that card any longer.
[07:00] <cybearg> But I want the laptop to be closed and to only go through the externam monitor.
[07:00] <sgp667> Dr_Willis gordonjcp conky-manager fixed the issue thanks for help guys
[07:01] <topper4125> back in a bit
[07:01] <cybearg> *external
[07:01] <dupin> cybearg: do not install fglrx driver radeo driver is installed already
[07:01] <phuh> Question to thos5 that are always in this chat room ( including topper412),what sort of job do you have?involved with some ubuntu kernel development?
[07:01] <cybearg> Okay, dupin, but how do I get rid of this flicker?
[07:01] <phuh> Question to thoe5 that are always in this chat room ( including topper4152),what sort of job do you have?involved with some ubuntu kernel development?
[07:02] <dupin> cybearg: don´t know sorry
[07:02]  * topper4125 is a truckdriver, only on here on thursdays and fridays.
[07:02] <phuh> really
[07:02] <topper4125> yup
[07:02] <gordonjcp> topper4125: you don't have HF in the cab?
[07:03] <gordonjcp> topper4125: no, because this is #ubuntu not ##hamradio, disregard :-)
[07:03] <phuh> what made you come to ubuntu channel?
[07:03] <topper4125> I have wifi... but generally only do chats on my 'weekends' for some reason.
[07:04] <cybearg> By the look of it, I only get flicker in 1920x1080p when the laptop's lid is closed. Going down to 1680 x 1050 results in no flicker.  :P
[07:05] <Dr_Willis> not everyone works in a nice clean office. ;)
[07:05] <cybearg> Guess I'll just have to stick with the odd 1680x1050 and deal with the stretching.
[07:06] <topper4125> I used to build desktop systems... back in the days of DOS... but anymore, there's no real money in hardware... so Now I just do custom jobs for friends and family... and have a job that comes with a 'HeckOfAView" and a desk that moves at 75 MPH :P
[07:07]  * Dr_Willis hopes someone is not ircing at 75mph
[07:07] <irenicus09> topper4125: I heard there's a lot of money in your profession lol
[07:07] <Dr_Willis> ;)
[07:07] <irenicus09> dunnno if that's true
[07:07] <cybearg> Well, thanks for the help, guys.
[07:07]  * gordonjcp has IRCed at 70mph, using TTS to read the screen
[07:08] <topper4125> there can be... I've been driving for 17 years... learned a few tricks of the trade, including who to work for and who to avoid
[07:08] <gordonjcp> I can type one-handed qithout looking, but mostly I just use my Morse key
[07:08] <gordonjcp> topper4125: handy
[07:09] <sodomizer> Is wine still the most popular win32 emulator?
[07:09] <irenicus09> when I was a kid I wanted to be a truck driver so  Icould drive around like a boss haha
[07:09] <topper4125> The company I work for now... is great... very small only 20ish drivers... pretty much have to wait till someone dies to get hired, because no one quits... amazing place.
[07:10] <reisio> sodomizer: what else
[07:11] <sodomizer> not sure, sorry for the dumb questions just got ubuntu here last night last time I tried to learn linux I was running mandrake 6.0, man things have gotten sweet
[07:11] <reisio> topper4125: too bad it's impossible to force someone to die
[07:11] <topper4125> ^^ LOL
[07:14] <topper4125> sodomizer wine works from some applications... if you *REALLY* Truly can't do a native app, and you have the storage and processor... Virtualization is the way to go (in my humble opinion)... but I try to avoid both as much as possible.
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> !manual | sodomizer   worth bookmarking
[07:15] <reisio> well, no Wine will always outperform virtualized Windows, if it works
[07:15] <reisio> it's pretty unlikely you'll need it for anything long term, though
[07:15] <sodomizer> thanks!  I have another PC running windows beside this ubuntu comptuer so I don't need to emulate but I like the idea of running some games through wine and see how it works
[07:15] <reisio> great for when you can't be arsed to replace a random .exe you found just at that moment
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> sodomizer:  steam has been ported to linux. ;)
[07:16] <irenicus09> what I never understood is how does wine work if it's not an emulator :S
[07:16] <sodomizer> thanks for the manual
[07:16] <reisio> irenicus09: it is an emulator
[07:16] <irenicus09> Dr_Willis: yay +1 for dota 2
[07:16] <reisio> in the form of a ground-up implementation
[07:16] <sodomizer> warcraft 3 would be the most modern game I would attempt to run
[07:17] <sodomizer> cant stand steam, could be a windows thing though, I work off a fairly limited connection
[07:17] <Dr_Willis> http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#head-c9e6502ad636315e905d07f7e44594757a6738e3 wine faq #3 question  irenicus09
[07:17] <reisio> sodomizer: should run fine via Wine
[07:17] <reisio> steam is kind of annoying, yea :p
[07:18] <topper4125> the majority of games I play use DOSBox... ANSI is art.
[07:18] <irenicus09> if steam can make it through with SteamOS the world of Linux will be changed forever :P
[07:18] <sodomizer> I just install it when I'm with friends and need to game and then uninstall when I go back to my normal life haha
[07:18] <reisio> topper4125: oldbie :p
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> gotta save up my monies for the steam xmas sales. :)   so i can buy more games - i will never play
[07:20] <babinlonston> how can i install latest liber office in ubuntu 12.04 , by not using a PPA Repository .. please help
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> babinlonston:  use source if you refuse to use a ppa
[07:21] <what> hello
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> no idea why you would not want to use a ppa if you need the latest
[07:21] <what> I have a question
[07:21] <what> i was to use cat <filename>
[07:21] <babinlonston> Dr_Willis: do u have the source for liber office and google chrome ?
[07:21] <what> but the filename i am using has spaces in it
[07:21] <topper4125> Here's how old school I am with my DOSBox... the "boot" sequence, all done with batch files, ansi screens, and an old batch utility that says "Beep": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_6PDzEr9zM
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> babinlonston:  why would i need it?
[07:21] <reisio> Guest81987: what: type the beginning, then hit TAB
[07:21] <Guest81987> how do I enter a file as a parameter when it has spaces ?
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> Guest81987:   command 'file with spaces.txt'   is one way
[07:22] <topper4125> slowed it down to a 386/16
[07:22] <babinlonston> Dr_Willis: then why u replying for me :p
[07:22] <wilee-nilee> babinlonston, I see debs on the libreoffice downloads page.
[07:22] <Guest81987> Dr_Willis, default@ubuntu:~$ column -s, -t < /home/csv/Wheat(MGE) Sep01csv | less -#2 -N -S
[07:22] <Guest81987> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
[07:22] <babinlonston> wilee-nilee: oh thanks mate
[07:22] <Guest81987> Dr_Willis, it won't accept the filename
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> babinlonston:  you asked  a question...    if you dont want to use a ppa. use source.. grabing random debs may or may not work
[07:23] <babinlonston> Dr_Willis:  fine
[07:23] <Dr_Willis> Guest81987:  whats the exact command line you are using
[07:23] <Guest81987> column -s, -t < /home/csv/Wheat(MGE) Sep01.csv | less -#2 -N -S
[07:23] <Guest81987> this is
[07:23] <Guest81987> as you see there is a space in the file name
[07:23] <reisio> Guest81987: type Wheat, then hit TAB
[07:24] <wylde> Guest81987, quotes or escape the space
[07:24] <reisio> or put it in quotes like he said
[07:24] <reisio> quotes are better for scripts, TAB completion is simpler for one-offs
[07:26] <wylde> reisio, for my own information, even with tab completion wouldn't the unescaped ( ) break it?
[07:26] <Dr_Willis> you dident even use any quotes. :) that i saw
[07:26] <wylde> reisio, nvm, tab should escape those correct?
[07:26] <reisio> wylde: yeah
[07:27] <reisio> of course depending on what you're doing the ('s _could_ confuse something
[07:27] <reisio> but probably not in this situation
[07:27] <Dr_Willis> i think theres a differance btween single and double quotes in this case also
[07:27] <paramm> Hello. I want to install windows 8.1 and Ubuntu on laptop in dual boot with UEFI, but I cannot make it work (ubuntu or windows only boots from boot loader)
[07:28] <Dr_Willis> like echo '$(foo)'   vs   echo "$(foo)"   :)  the ' quotes the $() also
[07:28] <Dr_Willis> or is that the right term..    prevents the $() from getting parsed
[07:30] <reisio> well it turns it into a string
[07:30] <reisio> as with most languages
[07:30] <topper4125> welp... gotta get to bed... G'nite all!
[07:31] <reisio> but you could use '"'$(foo)'"' or "'"$(foo)"'" if you needed to
[07:31] <wilee-nilee> paramm, This a uefi computer?
[07:33] <paramm> wilee-nilee: yes
[07:33] <wilee-nilee> paramm, What OS is there now?
[07:33] <paramm> wilee-nilee: It is now running windows 8.1 in uefi. Previously had ubuntu in uefi
[07:34] <paramm> But I am planning to reinstall the os and redo partitioning
[07:35] <wilee-nilee> paramm, I would just resize it all done easily or clone it and do the partitioning and reload.
[07:36] <wilee-nilee> paramm, windows installs would be at ##windows
[07:38] <paramm> wilee-nilee: When I had both systems for a brief moment (windows 8.1 upgrade destroyed linux) I had to choose by bios which uefi boot loader will be now used
[07:38] <wilee-nilee> paramm, The 8.1 is a upgrade right? you would have to buy 8.1 otherwise to reinstall it or use the preview
[07:38] <paramm> I have 8 upgraded to 8.1
[07:38] <aadeesh> Hi everyone. Just installed 12.04.3 AMD64 in Lenovo Thinkpad E430. It is dual booted with Windows 7 64bit. The wallpapers are not changing from Appereance settings. Help please.
[07:38] <paramm> 8.1 was released
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> aadeesh:  see if they change with a newly made user yet? its possible some config file or somthing in the problem users home is owned by root.
[07:39] <wilee-nilee> paramm, And if you use the restore you will again have to upgrade it, if restore works now, you have a W8 install media?
[07:40] <paramm> I have Win8 media, I used windows store to upgrade so I will be able to upgrade in the future as it is marked as bought
[07:41] <paramm> wilee-nilee: I will be doing backup images after clean install. Unfortunatelly I am required to have windows 8 instead of windows 7
[07:41] <wilee-nilee> paramm, You would want to address the windows install at ##windows and the ubuntu here I guess.
[07:42] <wilee-nilee> paramm, The windows disc has a manual install option which is nice.
[07:43] <paramm> wilee-nilee:  I know, I never use the automatic one. But my problem is the both systems existing together
[07:43] <aadeesh> Dr_Willis: any commands to check if the user is owned by root? I see my user account type as Administrator in User Accounts settings.
[07:43] <wilee-nilee> paramm, You had it before, and installed both right?
[07:44] <Dr_Willis> aadeesh:  ls -l    shows file ownership
[07:44] <Dr_Willis> aadeesh:  ls -al  shows hidden files
[07:44] <paramm> wilee-nilee: I can have two efi partitions for ubuntu and windows 8 but I need to switch by F12 or by bios options
[07:44] <hellslinger> hi everyone, can anyone give me any advice on how to get xmir to run on unity for 13.10?
[07:44] <wilee-nilee> paramm, Many use the bootrepair app to get the grub boot.
[07:45] <paramm> wilee-nilee: I want to have convinient single boot loader
[07:45] <paramm> wilee-nilee: I used it, but apparently it cannot make grub load windows in uefi
[07:46] <paramm> wilee-nilee: or I am missing something
[07:46] <wilee-nilee> paramm, If it were me I would just resize the W8.1 with its partitioner, and install ubuntu, and use the bootrepair app if needed to get the grub boot. Ubuntu has some specificities depending on the uefi version is all for a brub dual boot.
[07:46] <wilee-nilee> grub*
[07:47] <wilee-nilee> paramm, You might look at this thread regarding installing ubuntu, and the uefi wiki. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147295
[07:48] <wilee-nilee> !uefi | paramm
[07:49] <paramm> Thank you I will read those
[07:50] <aadeesh> Dr_Willis: all files in ~ are owned by user but .. .gvfs .pip?
[07:50] <Dr_Willis> aadeesh:  config files can be in sub dirs also.
[07:51] <Dr_Willis> ls -Ral | grep root    (perhaps) to see if any exist.
[07:51] <Dr_Willis> thaere may be a better command than that
[07:51] <thatguy001> how do I change a the mount point of an external hard drive
[07:51] <thatguy001> ?
[07:51] <Dr_Willis> does a newly made user work fine?
[07:51] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  depends on how its mounting.
[07:52] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  one way - tive the filesystem a proper label. gnome will use that label -> /media/youruser/labelname
[07:52] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  other way. make a fstab entry for it and define exactly where to mount it
[07:52] <thatguy001> how do make an fstan entry?
[07:52] <Dr_Willis> !fstab
[07:53] <utopiah> hi #ubuntu , Im using 13.10 with kernel 3.11.0-12 and since the update to 13.10 I lose the wifi every 10min or so. The ethernet connection is perfectly stable. Also if I hibernate and login again it works. Disabling wifi and trying to reconnect doesnt work.
[07:55] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, I'm tring to work off of a bootable usb drive. I'm not sure If still have all of those option
[07:56] <aadeesh> Dr_Willis: Yes it worked with the new user.
[07:56] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  im not sure what you mean.. fstab is used to mount filesystems.. or nautilus auto mounts..
[07:56] <Ace78> Good Morning I need some help with a ldap problem.
[07:57] <Dr_Willis> aadeesh:  that sort of points to it being a setting issue with the problem user
[07:57] <Dr_Willis> $ ls -Ral | grep root
[07:57] <Dr_Willis> shows any root owned files here. :) or files with the name root.. (oops)
[07:57] <Ace78> It failes to start from init.d but works without any problem when started from console
[07:57] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, I've never used fstab before
[07:57] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  im not clear on what you are trying to do exactly - or how  a bootable usb matters in this case
[07:59] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, I'm trying to install ubuntu on my netbook, but it uses UEFI, so need to create and mount an EFI partition so that the boot-repair can make grub legacy
[07:59] <auronandace> !uefi | thatguy001
[07:59] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, I have the partiton all ready, except for the mount point
[07:59] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  as far as i know the ubuntu installer can make the partions needed.. cant say ive ever noticed a netbook that needed efi. but my netbooks are all at least 2 years old.
[07:59] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, I'm already on that site
[08:00] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  i thought the uefi boot partion dident need a mount point . the installer would see the fat32.fat16 or whatver partion it is.. and put the files there as needed.
[08:00] <thatguy001> An EFI partition can be created via a recent version of GParted (the Gparted version included in the 12.04 disk is OK), and must have the following attributes:
[08:00] <thatguy001> Mount point: /boot/efi (remark: no need to set this mount point when using the manual partitioning, the Ubuntu installer will detect it automatically)
[08:00] <wylde> supposed to be empty I thought
[08:01] <c__> when was 13.01 released?
[08:01] <Dr_Willis> you will have to set the /boot/efi mount point to the EFI partition   ...  that url says....
[08:01] <Dr_Willis> so the mountpoint seems to be /boot/efi
[08:01] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, yes, just need to know how to do that
[08:01] <Dr_Willis> c__:  13.10 = 2013, 10th month
[08:02] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  sudo mount /dev/sdXX /boot/efi
[08:02] <Dr_Willis> !mount
[08:02] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, it's that easy?
[08:02] <Dr_Willis> thats how you mount things...
[08:02] <Dr_Willis> or make a fstab entry if you want a perment entry for your installed system.. but you  dont have an installed system do you?
[08:02] <Dr_Willis> or am i missing somthing
[08:03] <Dr_Willis> you are dual booting this netbook?
[08:04] <c__> Dr_Willis: are the bugs still being worked out?  i'm interested in a stabilized OS.  didn't get that with the last distro
[08:04] <aadeesh> Dr_Willis: There are many results. It shows the files containing root in filename and root owned.
[08:05] <Dr_Willis> aadeesh:  here - i dont have any files in my home that are owned by root
[08:05] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, no. I'm trying to completely replace windows
[08:05] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:   nothing special is required if you use the automatic installer of Ubuntu ("Install Ubuntu alongside others" or "Erase the disk and install Ubuntu")
[08:05] <aadeesh> Out of many only dconf is new to what I added previously.
[08:05] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  site says it should do it all automatically
[08:05] <wylde> c__, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/+bugs have a browse. Search for strings matching your hardware etc. You can evaluate potential problems if you like. :)
[08:05] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, it's saying that the mount point doesn't exist
[08:06] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  so make it?
[08:06] <utopiah> in case somebody had the same problem I have https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1049466/comments/116 seems to be the answer
[08:06] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  mounting 101 - the mount point directory must exist befor you mount. ;)
[08:06] <wilee-nilee> thatguy001, bootrepair has a grub legacy option?
[08:07] <c__> that bot is amazing
[08:07] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  the way i read that guide..if you are using the manual partioning. in the Installer. you assign the efi pation to be /boot/efi
[08:07] <Dr_Willis> you dont mount it befor hand
[08:07] <wylde> that's like "see that not existantant table over there?" put your coffe mug on it. :)
[08:07] <wylde> existent* coffee*
[08:08] <Dr_Willis> an efi partion is fat32. with the boot flag set. size of 100 to 200mb.
[08:08] <wilee-nilee> it's an existential table
[08:08] <Ace78> Anyone for my ldap problem?
[08:08] <aadeesh> Dr_Willis: I'll look over more on the web. Thanks for the pointers.
[08:08] <Dr_Willis> aadeesh:  chown everyting in your users home to be owned by your user.
[08:08] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, You're saying that i just need to configure it to be a fat32 and give it the boot flag and then run boot-repair?
[08:09] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  no idea how boot-repair figures into it.. im just reading that efi install guide.
[08:09] <Dr_Willis> efi partion is a fat32 partion, with boot flag set. size 200mb.
[08:09] <Dr_Willis> it mounts to /boot/efi
[08:09] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, If you do not see a "Separate /boot/efi partition" line, this means that your PC does not have any EFI partition. In this case, exit Boot-Repair, then create an EFI partition (see the "Creating an EFI partition" paragraph above).
[08:10] <Dr_Willis> boot-repair tool seems to have a check box to tellit where the efi partion is
[08:10] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  Sounds like you dont have one.
[08:10] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, no i do not :(
[08:11] <Dr_Willis> if this was a clean install - you might want to just redo the install and tell it to use the whole disjk and it should make one automatically
[08:11] <Dr_Willis> thts how i read the install guide
[08:12] <aadeesh> Dr_willis: Yes did that. Still the same.
[08:12] <aadeesh> I mean I cannot change the wallpaper on problem user.
[08:12] <aadeesh> But files in my home are now owned by user.
[08:13] <Dr_Willis> aadeesh:  what desktop are you using? you done anything weird/differnt with it?
[08:14] <aadeesh> Dr_Willis: Nope no tweaks. Vanilla install. But different partition for / swap /home
[08:14] <sparq> Greetings folks. I'm embarassed to ask, but I can't figure out how to fix my login manager after upgrading to 13.10. All I can find on Google about it are things about cinamon, which isn't installed, and there isn't anything interesting in /var/log/Xorg.0.log or syslog.
[08:15] <Dr_Willis> aadeesh:  hard core way :)   move all your problem users .* files to some backup directory... log out/back in.. desktop should be totally reset.. see if it works
[08:15] <Dr_Willis> sparq:  tell us what its doing.
[08:15] <wilee-nilee> sparq, what is wrong with the login manager?
[08:16] <Araneidae> Hi.  After upgrading to 13.10 my (desktop) computer now shuts down when resuming from suspend.  It seems to suspend ok, but when I poke it to wake up it shuts down.
[08:16] <aadeesh> Dr_Willis: I'll try that.
[08:16] <Araneidae> Haven't spotted anything relevant in the logs
[08:17] <sparq> Well, the login manager authenticates me, and then just bounces back to the login mangaer. Both lightdm and gdm do the same thing. If I turn off the login manger entirely, I can get my session to come up by logging in on the console and running 'startx'
[08:17] <aadeesh> Dr_Willis: That worked! I still wonder why things work after reboot/log out.
[08:18] <doh_> Hey guys, 13.04 here. An update prompt says it needs some more space in /boot but I don't have the slightest idea how to make room on that.. partition I guess
[08:18] <doh_> any suggestions?
[08:18] <sercendil> Hello
[08:18] <reisio> doh_: du -hs /boot/ | sort -h
[08:18] <wilee-nilee> doh_, remove the extra kernels
[08:18] <reisio> doh_: mv things that look old
[08:18] <doh_> what does that do?
[08:18] <reisio> doh_: makes space
[08:18] <doh_> how
[08:18] <reisio> doh_: oh, it shows you what takes up space
[08:18] <reisio> doh_: CTRL+ALT+t
[08:19] <reisio> du -hs /boot/* | sort -h
[08:19] <wylde> sparq, try making a new user and logging in.
[08:19] <reisio> sudo mv -n /boot/foo ~/
[08:19] <reisio> sercendil: hi
[08:20] <sparq> wylde: Yep. Did that. No dice.
[08:20] <Dr_Willis> doh_:  uninstall old kernels you dont need.  Nothing interesting in the logs you say?
[08:21] <sparq> wylde: The actual session works fine (I'm logged into it now using startx)
[08:21] <doh_> Dr_Willis, du -hs /boot/ | sort -h says 207 but I have no idea what that means
[08:21] <Dr_Willis> sparq:  common issue.. the .Xauthority file is messed up.. login at the console and rename it. (or delete it)
[08:21] <doh_> probably the total volume and not free space
[08:21] <sparq> wylde: Well, I'm sure there is a logfile *somewhere* with something interesting :-)
[08:21] <Dr_Willis> doh_:  df -h     shows partion sizes
[08:21] <doh_> yup
[08:21] <sparq> Dr_Willis: Hmm. Trying that...
[08:23] <sparq> Dr_Willis: Sadly, no.
[08:24] <sparq> I did notice that there are some dbus errors in auth.log related to NetworkManager. Might this have something to do with localhost transitioning to <IP_ADDRESS>?
[08:24] <doh_> there are about 8 files with initrd.img-3.8.0-19-generic or very similar name
[08:24] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, i still can't install grub
[08:24] <doh_> and btw, I can't delete any of the files in /boot
[08:24] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, I have no idea what to do
[08:25] <doh_> not through the gui anyways
[08:25]  * sparq ponders
[08:25] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  may be quicker to just delete all teh partions on the hd. and let the installer totally remake them
[08:25] <Dr_Willis> doh_:  you dont want to just go randomly removeing things in /boot/
[08:25] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, how do I do that?
[08:26] <Dr_Willis> doh_:  if you got a lot of kernels. you may want to uninstall the old ones
[08:26] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  gparted can delete the partions.
[08:26] <wilee-nilee> doh_, if you look in boot how many kernels do you see?
[08:26] <doh_> I don't have spare kernels
[08:26] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  or reboot the live cd/usb and restart the installer and tell it to use the whole disk
[08:26] <doh_> how do I spot the kernels?
[08:26] <Dr_Willis> doh_:  then how big is your /boot/ partion
[08:27] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, that's what I did
[08:27] <Dr_Willis> look at how many vmlinuz-* files you got in boot
[08:27] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, the installer crashes and said that it failed to install grub
[08:27] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  no idea then.  you could manually repartion and make a small efi partion at the start of the hd.
[08:27] <doh_> Dr_Willis, 207 according to du -hs /boot/ | sort -h
[08:27] <sparq> doh_: Generally, you want to manage your kernels through apt/dpkg. Try 'dpkg -l linux*'
[08:27] <Dr_Willis> doh_:  what does 'df -h' say about /boot/
[08:28] <doh_> Dr_Willis, it says 207M	/boot/
[08:28] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, that's what I'm trying to do. I made the partition, set it up, and i still can't install grub
[08:28] <doh_> sparq, I did that dpkg -l linux*. it lits plenty of stuff
[08:28] <sparq> oh wait, they changed the naming convention
[08:28] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  you are trying to use boot-repairr.. im suggesting make the partions then restart the installer
[08:29] <doh_> its all gibberish to mt
[08:29] <sparq> doh_: one sec
[08:29] <doh_> its all gibberish to me
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> doh_:  pastebin the output of df -h   and  mount
[08:29] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, let me try to restart the installer
[08:31] <sparq> Ha! I think I see the problem. The upgrade deleted all of *my* kenrels, so I'm back to 2.6.26 which I happened to have compiled from scratch. Awesome.
[08:31] <doh_> Dr_Willis, http://pastebin.com/ffpWAcYV
[08:32] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, do you think the next version of ubuntu will be able to install ok with the UEFI? since it looks most most computers are being made with it now adays?
[08:33] <doh_> thatguy001, I don't think anyone sells new mobos with the good old bios exposed. its all uefi now
[08:33] <doh_> most computers is an understatement
[08:34] <thatguy001> doh_ i don't like change
[08:34] <nkvp> the worst part is how windows rewrites UEFI everytime to put itself on top..
[08:34] <wilee-nilee> many have legacy option for msdos
[08:34] <alekto> Hi, how to block port 1900/upnp in 13.04?
[08:34] <nkvp> yes.. the legacy option has to be enabled in BIOS
[08:34] <doh_> nkvp, ubuntu does that too
[08:35] <thatguy001> ah! i think it may be working! i haven't gotten the installer crash message yet!
[08:35] <alekto> have tried iptables: /sbin/iptables -A INPUT --dport 1900 -j REJECT
[08:35] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  ive never owned a uefi system. all i know on the topix is what that guide saYS
[08:35] <doh_> of course it puts itself on top
[08:35] <alekto> not working!
[08:35] <Dr_Willis> the last new computer i bought - was a raspberry pi ;)
[08:35] <reisio> ditto
[08:36] <reisio> although I should've got a cubieboard
[08:36] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, if..and i say if becayse i don't want to upset murphey, but if this works will i have to keep my hardrive in every time i boot?
[08:36] <reisio> wasn't for me anyways
[08:36] <nkvp> @doh_ i don't think ubuntu does so
[08:36] <nkvp> @doh_, but everytime I try putting ubuntu on top of the UEFI
[08:36] <Dr_Willis> i learned my pi can use my samsung smart tv's remote.  via the hdmi-cec stuff.. thats this weekends project. ;P
[08:36] <nkvp> windows comes back
[08:36] <wilee-nilee> newest I bought was a neexus 7, all the laptops are at least 5 years old
[08:36] <nkvp> as soon as i boot windows
[08:36] <doh_> nkvp, I am telling you it does on all of my systems
[08:36] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  the efi partion should be on the hard drive you are booting..
[08:37] <doh_> How else is it supposed to to boot?
[08:37] <doh_> newer install -> on top of the list
[08:37] <doh_> UEFI only reads the last record
[08:37] <doh_> maybe I am wrong, though
[08:37] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:   from what i read the partiont layoug should be like   ,<fat32 efi partion>  </ partion ext4> <swap partition>
[08:37] <doh_> never edited the shit
[08:37] <reisio> Dr_Willis: use it?
[08:38] <Dr_Willis> reisio:  not all the keys work.  :) yet...
[08:38] <reisio> Dr_Willis: to do what?
[08:38] <Dr_Willis> i grabbed the remote by mistake and the core buttons work on the tv;s remote to controll xbmc on the pi.
[08:38] <doh_> so, guys. Any way to expand that little partition that Ubuntu created but can properly maintain?
[08:38] <reisio> ah
[08:38] <Dr_Willis> reisio:   aparently the tv can talk back to the pi over the hdmi-cec port. so that saves me having a remote just for the pi.
[08:38] <reisio> doh_: /boot ?
[08:38] <doh_> yes
[08:39] <doh_> I am baffled with it
[08:39] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, but grub will be on the computer its self. so I won't need to have the hard drive in every time i boot?
[08:39] <reisio> doh_: if it isn't the efi system partition, you can just get rid of it, move its data to /
[08:39] <Dr_Willis> doh_:  how bit was your boot partion? why do you even need a boot partion
[08:39] <doh_> why create it if you cant maintain it?
[08:39] <reisio> doh_: um, and what if you filled /home/ up with data?
[08:39] <doh_> I never did any of this
[08:39] <reisio> the system would still stop then
[08:39] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:   the efi partion is neede to boot the system.  grub uses the filews from there i belive
[08:39] <reisio> doh_: sure you di d
[08:39] <doh_> no, I didnt
[08:39] <reisio> when you run out of space, you have to make room
[08:39] <doh_> Ubuntu did on my behalf
[08:39] <reisio> even Windows users have to do that
[08:39] <Dr_Willis> doh_:  i see people make /boot/ partions when they dont need them. and they get filled up
[08:39] <doh_> not the same
[08:40] <reisio> doh_: it's exactly the same :)
[08:40] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, so can i move those files onto my hd?
[08:40] <Dr_Willis> doh_:  does 'mount' show  seperate /boot/ partion?
[08:40] <doh_> no, its not :D
[08:40] <reisio> 't'is
[08:40] <doh_> sec
[08:40] <Dr_Willis> thatguy001:  no idea. its suppose dot be on the hd allready
[08:40] <Dr_Willis> be really amuseing doh_  if its your / thats full. ;)
[08:40] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, ok, well i guess i'll see what happens and then get back to you after i sleep a bit. it's 4:40 where I am
[08:41] <Dr_Willis> 4:40 here. i am at work for another hour. ;)
[08:41] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, thank you btw
[08:42] <doh_> No, its not the drive that.s fool
[08:42] <doh_> Dr_Willis, /dev/sdb1                    228M  207M  8,9M  96% /boot
[08:43] <troulouliou_dev> hi if i install ubuntu server can i still have access to all the desktop version packet ?
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> doh_:  you got a 228mb /boot/ partion..  thats rather tiny.
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> and  only 21mb are free
[08:43] <doh_> I blame the OS
[08:43] <doh_> I never made this partition
[08:43] <wilee-nilee> troulouliou_dev, if you install a desktop of some sort yes.
[08:43] <reisio> troulouliou_dev: packages, if you want to install them, sure
[08:43] <thatguy001> Dr_Willis, I'm just getting a purple screen after restart
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> doh_:   ubuntu does NOT make a /boot/ partion by default that i haVE EVER SEEN
[08:44] <doh_> Well, I don't even know how to do it myself
[08:44] <doh_> so sure it did it
[08:44] <troulouliou_dev> reisio, wilee-nilee  i need a home nfs/samba/dlna server but i want lxde + deluge on it , is it possible ?
[08:44] <wilee-nilee> doh_, Have you had another OS that had one maybe?
[08:44] <reisio> troulouliou_dev: yup, just install them
[08:44] <Dr_Willis> doh_:  now look in /boot/ and see how maky vmlinuz* files you got
[08:44] <troulouliou_dev> reisio, ha nice
[08:44] <reisio> troulouliou_dev: a box can be a server and a desktop
[08:44] <troulouliou_dev> thanks
[08:44] <doh_> k
[08:44] <Dr_Willis> how many vmlin* files are in /boot/
[08:45] <troulouliou_dev> reisio, what is the difference between the server and desktop version then  ? some kernel patches ?
[08:45] <Dr_Willis> my /boot/ partion is like 5gb. ;)
[08:45] <doh_> Dr_Willis, total of 8
[08:45] <reisio> troulouliou_dev: there are probably some kernel differences, but
[08:45] <reisio> troulouliou_dev: the main difference is that the desktop version comes with a desktop environment
[08:45] <Dr_Willis> vmeson:  you dont need that many. you really only need the last 2-3 kernels.
[08:45] <troulouliou_dev> reisio, ok thanks
[08:45] <Dr_Willis> doh_: :  you dont need that many. you really only need the last 2-3 kernels.
[08:45] <doh_> wilee-nilee, yes - Windows and then ubuntu, then a bunch of others. But I always wiped the disk completely
[08:46] <Dr_Willis> askubuntu.com has some commands/scripts to clean out the old kernels
[08:46] <troulouliou_dev> and can i install the server version on a md0 mirror array but initialized at during install rpocess only with one disk and the second one missing
[08:46] <doh_> Dr_Willis, I cant delete them with the GUI. Would it be possible with CLI?
[08:47] <wilee-nilee> doh_, The ubuntu tweak tool removes kernels nicely with a gui
[08:47] <sparq> Oh weird. So, if I try to log into Gnome Bluetile, it works, but not with bluetile (which isn't installed).
[08:47] <sparq> I think maybe the session can't find the window manager?
[08:47] <doh_> wilee-nilee, cli doesnt let me do it either
[08:47] <wilee-nilee> and the configs toooooo
[08:47] <doh_> ffs
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> doh_:  askubuntu.com has guides and scripts on how to remove them
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> doh_:  use the package manager tools is the proper way to remove them
[08:48] <wilee-nilee> oh, hehe the proper way, oh my. ;)
[08:49] <doh_> wilee-nilee, Ubtuntu tweak tool or Unity tweak tool?
[08:49] <thatguy001> it works!
[08:49] <doh_> are they not the same thing?
[08:49] <thatguy001> oh sweet jesus it works!
[08:49]  * Dr_Willis is reminded of the compter-hjanitor tool that removed ALL kernels....
[08:49] <wilee-nilee> doh_, ubuntu tweak there is a ppa
[08:49] <thatguy001> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K6S0LHeG8k
[08:50] <Dr_Willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/2793/how-do-i-remove-or-hide-old-kernel-versions-to-clean-up-the-boot-menu
[08:50] <wilee-nilee> the computer janitor would give you a nice brick by it's self yeah
[08:51] <Megabyte> Morning, everyone
[08:51] <reisio> mornin'
[08:52] <reisio> thatguy001: ?
[08:52] <Romance> Help me, ubuntu 12.04, using usb wifi adapter trying to connect a wifi hotspot (RADIUS server) but never connected at all, while using the same usb wifi adapter and laptop with windows 7, it can connect, why so?
[08:52] <doh_> well, the stupid software center cant find ubuntu tweak
[08:52] <doh_> I give up
[08:52] <ZeThomas> hello, can someone help me? I installed the latest drivers for my videocard as found here: http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/1p471r/im_sick_and_tired_of_ati_switching_to_nvidia/ccypiay, but now it doesn't load x, it just gives the splash/loading screen, and goes to a blinking cursor; after that I automatically get switched to tty1
[08:53] <thatguy001> risio it works!
[08:53] <joelteon> how do I determine if an apt package is a virtual package or not
[08:53] <wilee-nilee> doh_, The only thing shared on those two tools is the word tweak, that link by Dr_Willis  shows you your options.
[08:53] <Megabyte> Hi, guys
[08:53] <Megabyte> Ubuntu 13.10 doesn't give us a detailed changelong on their main site. Can I ask what's new in 13.10?
[08:53] <doh_> wilee-nilee, the only Ubuntu tweak tool is a fuckin ad
[08:53] <Dr_Willis> ZeThomas:  you did remove the ati/fglrx drivers first? i hope
[08:54] <joelteon> specifically, I'm trying to build a .deb that depends on libtinfo-dev, which is apparently? a virtual package but as far as I can tell it actually isn't.
[08:54] <joelteon> I'm on 12.04
[08:54] <doh_> some stupid agregator
[08:54] <joelteon> how do I figure out what actually provides libtinfo-dev?
[08:54] <doh_> anyway, I don't need this
[08:54] <doh_> such a waste of time
[08:54] <ZeThomas> Dr_Willis, yes I did, at least I think I did; can I check this?
[08:54] <doh_> thanks for everything, guys
[08:54] <doh_> cu
[08:54] <wilee-nilee> some people are just stupid
[08:54] <Megabyte> Hello?
[08:55] <Dr_Willis> ZeThomas:  theres cli tools but i cant recall the exact commands. how did you install the nvidia drivers?
[08:56] <n1n0> hi. cannot see the icons on the desktop (are visivle when click on the desktop folder). multiple workspaces are disabled.
[08:56] <platzhirsch1> I think I don't quite get it, but is it possible for me to update to the latest libsoup upload? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsoup2.4
[08:57] <ZeThomas> Dr_Willis, I followed these instructions: http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/1p471r/im_sick_and_tired_of_ati_switching_to_nvidia/ccypiay
[08:57] <jasic> hi guys
[08:57] <ZeThomas> Dr_Willis, however, for the first step, I could not locate the .sh in question
[08:57] <Dr_Willis> ZeThomas:  im not sure how much i would trust reddit for tech support/guides
[08:57] <wilee-nilee> Megabyte, updated versions of some apps it's the same ubuntu otherwise from previous releases basically
[08:58] <Megabyte> wilee-nilee, Still, a detailed changelog would be interesting...
[08:58] <Dr_Willis> ZeThomas:   perhaps they ment the fglrx.whatever.sh installer  if you used the repos/package manager to install things.. you use it to remove them
[08:58] <reisio> jasic: hiyo
[08:58] <wilee-nilee> Megabyte, For you yes, for me no.
[08:58] <Megabyte> wilee-nilee, For instance, it seems that Ubuntu's default file manager seems to be a bit more useable by default
[08:59] <troulouliou_dev> hi i change my ubuntu one password on the site and now the updates are freezed on the computer but i can't fond any place to change it on the computer
[08:59] <Megabyte> wilee-nilee, *Ubuntu's file manager (default)
[08:59] <n1n0> also, gimp shown as "running" on the programs list on the left, yet cannot see it, as if the multiple workspaces are activated, yet they're not
[08:59] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu uses nautilus by default Megabyte .
[08:59] <Dr_Willis> gnome devs keep trimming out nautiuls features. :)
[09:00] <Megabyte> Dr_Willis, They changed something very small on Nautilus, but which made it much more useful. Originally, when going back, it wouldn't remember the previous folders you were at. Now, it does, so you can easily go back to *each* of them.
[09:01] <Megabyte> Dr_Willis, I'm also glad Ubuntu and variants didn't go through the "flat" trend... I'm sick of "flat" interfaces...
[09:01] <ZeThomas> Dr_Willis, I know, I'm extremely desperate though, my computer keeps giving segfaults and kernel panics, so I'm kind of willing to try whatever...
[09:01] <Dr_Willis> ZeThomas:  might be faster to just do a reinstall.    ive not swiutched video  cards in ages..
[09:03] <Patero-ng> I want to know how to disable one of the output displays on my laptop, my laptop is connected to an lcd via it's crt port and it have both of them activated I want to use only one
[09:03] <ZeThomas> Dr_Willis, it's a brand new laptop, the misery was there from day 1; it's basically a new install (I haven't even gotten around to making my wifi card working!)
[09:03] <Dr_Willis> Patero-ng:  many laptops have a fn-XX key to toggle monitors/displaYS
[09:04] <Dr_Willis> ZeThomas:  you changed video cards on a laptop?
[09:04] <Dr_Willis> or am i geting confused again
[09:04] <Patero-ng> Dr_Willis: yea but this key doesn't do anything only up until before getting into ubuntu
[09:04] <Dr_Willis> Patero-ng:  ive had laptops that used it in the bios screen. ;) so it depends.
[09:05] <ZeThomas> Dr_Willis, no I didn't, it came with this one, only I can't get my system to work without segfaulting/kernel panicing all the time
[09:05] <Dr_Willis> Patero-ng:  or use the xrandr/monitor/display tool to  turn off the other display
[09:05] <Patero-ng> Dr_Willis: yea mine has one too and I selected output display only but ubuntu reactivates it
[09:05] <ZeThomas> Dr_Willis, I don't even know for sure it is the video card
[09:05] <Patero-ng> Dr_Willis: will try
[09:06] <Dr_Willis> ZeThomas:  might be worth wile testing some live cd's to see if they work or not.  and see if its an optimus based laptop or not.
[09:06] <Dr_Willis> ZeThomas:  and run a memtest  for a while
[09:07] <Patero-ng> Dr_Willis: ubuntu server doeesn't come with xrandr do i have to install it or am i doing it wrong
[09:07] <Patero-ng> window 4
[09:09] <reisio> Patero-ng: xrandr comes with X stuff, which comes with desktop environments
[09:09] <reisio> Patero-ng: which you may or may not want on a "server"
[09:11] <fahadash> !iphone
[09:13] <Dr_Willis> Patero-ng:  server dosent have a gui at all.. so you are saying the consoles are on both monitors?
[09:15] <Guest52549> hallo habe ein Problem
[09:16] <fahadash> Ubuntu cannot connect with iphone with ios7, it keeps on saying The device "[name of device]" is locked. Enter the passcode on the device and click "Try again". [Cancel] [Try again]"
[09:17] <fahadash> I tried tapping  Trust on iphone screen, but doing that makes a copy of that error dialog in ubuntu
[09:17] <Guest52549> lies mich jemand?
[09:17] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  connect how? bluetooth? wifi? other?
[09:17] <wylde> !de
[09:17] <fahadash> Dr_Willis: USB
[09:18] <Patero-ng> Dr_Willis: yes both displays are on I dont'want the laptops's on just the lcd on the desk
[09:18] <Dr_Willis> Patero-ng:  no idea about the consoles on a laptop.  might want to check the forums.
[09:18] <Dr_Willis> Patero-ng:  possibly the fbset command might be able to do somthing
[09:19] <Patero-ng> Dr_Willis: will look into it
[09:20] <shadej> where do message like "ubuntu has encountered internal error" get saved?
[09:20] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  i dident think you could just attatch an iphone as a usb-drive.  but i dont own one.. or ever plan onit.
[09:21] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  for transfering stuff to smart phones - i tend to use the various wifi tools. like airdroid. or ssh/scp/samba/ftp
[09:21] <wylde> shadej, I would probably look in /var/log/apport.log
[09:24] <shadej> wylde: ok but now the I find the file empty
[09:24] <wylde> shadej, hmmm was a first thought.
[09:24] <Dr_Willis> i wonder if anyone ever understands the apport reports. ;)
[09:25] <wylde> someone must
[09:25] <wylde> even if it is only the bug bots on launchpad ;)
[09:25] <Dr_Willis> i seem to recall reading they get so many  reports submitted - they barely have time to look at them
[09:26] <wylde> probably before they incorporated a maxreports threshold heh
[09:26] <deadbabies>  to kikll him
[09:26] <deadbabies> >:O
[09:27] <deadbabies> just fyi
[09:27] <deadbabies> bai
[09:27] <FloodBot1> deadbabies: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:27] <deadbabies> i'm swwpy
[09:29] <wylde> shadej, for i in /var/log/*.log; do grep -i "ubuntu has encountered internal error" $i >/dev/null && echo "$i" $1 found; done
[09:30] <wylde> oops that last $1 should be "ubuntu has encountered internal error" heh
[09:31] <shadej> wylde: I just want to get the recent notifiaction it could ubuntu error , application software error, or message like you have low disk space
[09:31] <guest-2YDl9H> Heyy
[09:32] <Anurag> hey anybody can help me
[09:32] <Dr_Willis> !ask
[09:33] <newbie|3> I installed 12.04 in my laptop  to poweroff i always have to press alt key is there any option so i  can get both suspend and poweroff
[09:33] <guest-2YDl9H> my wifi is very slow although it has good connection what u can do?
[09:33] <Anurag> yes actually i just recently install 13.10 ubuntu but cant access internet through wifi 3g dongale
[09:34] <Dr_Willis> newbie|3:  you mean in gnome-shell?
[09:34] <Dr_Willis> newbie|3:  i also think if you logout the lightdm login screen has both options
[09:35] <newbie|3> yes DR_Willis
[09:35] <Dr_Willis> newbie|3:  theres gnome-shell plugins to change the behaivor
[09:35] <Anurag> hello any one there to help me
[09:36] <linu> hi i have used ubuntu 12-04 within that i have windows in virtual box,when i try copy a file from ubuntu to windows it is not copying and also the paste button disabled in windows can you tell me how to copy a file ?
[09:36] <newbie|3> Dr_Willis:can u tell me where i will get this plugin
[09:36] <Dr_Willis> linu:  you can access the os in vbox as if it was a  real pc on the network. Use scp/ssh, or samba, or ftp to get stuff back and forth
[09:36] <bekks> linu: How are you "copying a file" - did you create shares, etc?
[09:36] <Sifo> another small offtopic quest if possible does anyone know some software to stop annoying banners in youtube
[09:36] <Dr_Willis> newbie|3:  at the gnome shell plugin homepage.
[09:37] <Dr_Willis> Sifo:  look for browser extensions to block annoyances/ads
[09:37] <newbie|3> Dr_Willis:thanks
[09:37] <wilee-nilee> Sifo, what browser?
[09:37] <reisio> linu: sounds like you need to setup a share (in vbox prefs) and also enable the bidirectional clipboard (also in vbox prefs)
[09:37] <Sifo> i have them already in use Dr_Willis
[09:37] <Anurag> linu : i think it vl not copied from ubuntu to window
[09:37] <Neurotoxin> damnit, how do I turn a tar.xz into a tar.gz   in windows?
[09:37] <Sifo> firefox and chrome wilee-nilee
[09:38] <Sifo> i already use add block plus
[09:38] <pskora> 7zip can do that
[09:38] <Dr_Willis> Neurotoxin:  xz? never seen that extension. what made the file
[09:38] <minimec> Anurag: When you plug in the dongle, you can check how it is recognized by typing 'dmesg' in the terminal. Also, you can check the device id with the command 'lsusb'. Can you use pastebin and show us the last 10 lines of 'dmesg' and the result of 'lsusb'? pastebin --> paste.ubuntu.com
[09:38] <Sifo> it stops adds
[09:38] <wilee-nilee> Sifo, both have adblock noscript in FF and there is a flash block in chrome I forget the name.
[09:38] <bekks> Neurotoxin: Use a packaging program, like 7zip.
[09:39] <Dr_Willis> then there was that  plugin for firefox that let you make rules to rewite sites. ;) platypus or somthing?
[09:39] <Dr_Willis> ;)
[09:39] <Neurotoxin> ok...
[09:39] <Sifo> im talking about the clickable banners in the video itself
[09:39] <Sifo> mostly transparant
[09:39] <Sifo> annoying
[09:39] <Dr_Willis> Sifo:  use a flash downloader extension perhaps.. I never really notice any banners in what i watch.
[09:39] <Sifo> i dont get adds no more and flash
[09:39] <Dr_Willis> so either they are getting blocked.. or  i am watching videos that dont have them
[09:40] <wilee-nilee> Sifo, Probably no way, imbeded in the vid I think
[09:40] <Sifo> hm ok wilee-nilee
[09:40] <reisio> Neurotoxin: what for
[09:40] <Sifo> i thought some like that
[09:40] <Dr_Willis> i do tend to use flash-downloaders for most videos however
[09:40] <Butch128> Looking for some advice.  Have 4 drives that I am going to RAID1, cannot have failure.  Is it safe to go 2 active, 2 spare - or should I go 3 active 1 spare?  I'm thinking resyncing time.
[09:40] <Anurag> no no sir i want to know about to install the setup of dongles
[09:40] <Sifo> so theres prob no way to get rid of them i guess
[09:40] <Dr_Willis> Anurag:  first step would be to determine the exact chipset of that dongle.
[09:41] <Sifo> there is option to config in add block Dr_Willis
[09:41] <minimec> Anurag: When you plug in the dongle, you can check how it is recognized by typing 'dmesg' in the terminal. Also, you can check the device id with the command 'lsusb'. Can you use pastebin and show us the last 10 lines of 'dmesg' and the result of 'lsusb'? pastebin --> paste.ubuntu.com
[09:41] <Sifo> very configrble
[09:41] <Dr_Willis> Sifo:  never noticee. i thought i just use the defaults.
[09:41] <Neurotoxin> reisio do you know the terminal command for linux 7z program to turn a tar xz into a tar.gz beacause the prgramm i want to read it in doesnt recognize the xz
[09:41] <bekks> Neurotoxin: On linux, tar can handle that.
[09:41] <Anurag> then
[09:41] <Dr_Willis> Sifo:  look through the firefox extensions. there may be some xoeficically for yoytube
[09:41] <Sifo> in fact u can conf per site and within site it selve also Dr_Willis
[09:42] <reisio> Neurotoxin: unxz foo.tar.xz && gzip foo.tar
[09:42] <Sifo> hm ok Dr_Willis
[09:42] <Sifo> tnx man
[09:42] <Dr_Willis> ive also seen extensions that let you watch yoytybe videos in VLC or Mplayer. :)
[09:42] <Neurotoxin> unxz? ok trying...
[09:42] <Sifo> hm
[09:42] <Sifo> nah thats ok
[09:42] <Sifo> the banners are so f ing annoying
[09:42] <linu> bekks, i just right click on the file and chose  a copy and trying to paste the same on windows
[09:42] <Dr_Willis> i tend to use flash-downloader extensions 90% of the time
[09:43] <Sifo> same here Dr_Willis
[09:43] <reisio> 90 is a lot
[09:43] <Sifo> but just where i want to
[09:43] <bekks> linu: Which will not work that way.
[09:43] <Sifo> not every where
[09:43] <chalcedony> ah
[09:43] <Anurag> sir will you provide me help for step by step am so confuse
[09:43] <bekks> linu: You have to setup filesharing between host and guest.
[09:43] <Sifo> most flash is add crap
[09:44] <Sifo> a waste of your sight
[09:44] <danslo> can I somehow disable F1 key? google has not been of much help - I dont want it to pop up application's help, I want to use it for workspace switching
[09:44] <danslo> 13.10 btw
[09:44] <linu> bekks,but  reisio suggest some bidirectional clipboards changes...
[09:45] <Anurag> Dr_wills:sir will you provide me help for step by step am so confuse
[09:45] <minimec> Anurag: I don't know if you are 'talking' me. If you do, just add 'minimec' at the beginnig of your text. Like that I get notified. Like I do woth your nick.
[09:45] <minimec> Anurag: Ok I will help you.
[09:45] <bekks> linu: Which does nit work that way, for files. Using vbox 4.3.0, you could use drag and drop.
[09:46] <Anurag> minimec : yes sir help me out
[09:46] <Anurag> about to setup my dongle
[09:47] <babo> what's up with #linux , why is it invite only ?
[09:47] <minimec> Anurag: Open a terminal with <ctrl><alt>t, plug in your 3g USB dongle,  wait  some 10 seconds, type 'dmesg' in the terminal (without the ''), copy the last 10-15 lines, paste them here --> paste.ubuntu.com, give us the link.
[09:47] <Dr_Willis> Anurag:  i dont know step by step. so nope.
[09:47] <bekks> babo: You have to be a registered freenode user.
[09:47] <linu> bekks, but my version is Oracle VM VirtualBox Manager 4.1.12_Ubuntu,is it possible in this version
[09:48] <bekks> linu: No.
[09:48] <wilee-nilee> babo, It's ##linux and you have to be registered with freenode
[09:48] <babo> bekks, i'm trying to register but it says my name is taken
[09:48] <bekks> babo: Then chosse another name.
[09:48] <bekks> *choose
[09:48] <babo> when i try /nick babo1 it doesn't respond
[09:48] <minimec> Anurag: Also add the result of 'lsusb' to that 'pastebin' stuff.
[09:49] <Anurag> minimec: i cant understand that "copy the last 10-15 lines, paste them here --> paste.ubuntu.com, give us the link."
[09:51] <wilee-nilee> !register | babo
[09:51] <Anurag> minimec : are you there
[09:52] <mydog2> hey.. new to ubuntu - how can i tell if a package - pthreads is installed?
[09:52] <malinus> I have some (security) updates that have been hold back for weeks. Is it possible those are held back because I'm running some specific software that uses it/somehow blocks it?
[09:52] <rexwin_> mydog2 apt-file search
[09:52] <minimec> Anurag: well... copy the last 10-15 lines of that 'dmesg' output and paste them into that empty field @ paste.ubuntu.com. Then put your nick name and 'paste' it. You will get a link, that you can share eith us.
[09:52] <wilee-nilee> malinus, try a dist-upgrade
[09:53] <Anurag> okey wait
[09:54] <wilee-nilee> malinus, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade check the upgrade manager this is not a partial upgrade situation, which is not wise.
[09:54] <mydog2> rexwin_, - thanks
[09:54] <malinus> wilee-nilee, what do you mean?
[09:55] <wilee-nilee> malinus, There is a update manager a gui.
[09:55] <Anurag> minimec: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6305356/
[09:55] <malinus> wilee-nilee, I'm afraid of using aptitude, I think I might break something
[09:55] <ObrienDave> ooooo, is someone trying to do a partial dist upgrade??? I need a good laugh
[09:55] <malinus> wilee-nilee, I'll try running dis-upgrade first
[09:55] <bekks> malinus: Then use apt-get instead of aptitude
[09:55] <wilee-nilee> malinus, I would not bother with aptitude, that may be part of the problem.
[09:56] <wilee-nilee> night all time to crash
[09:57] <minimec> Anurag: not 'dmesg' but the output of dmesg. I show you: For my USB 3d dongle, the output of 'dmesg' and 'lsusb' would be this... http://paste.ubuntu.com/6305360/
[09:57] <ObrienDave> l8r wilee
[09:58] <Artpicre> l8r = later ?
[09:58] <ObrienDave> yup
[09:58] <ObrienDave> g8r
[09:58] <ObrienDave> gator LOL
[09:59] <platzhirsch> Is it possible to add a package for 13.10 from a future Ubuntu version?
[09:59] <newbie|3> Dr_Willis: am not able to find plugin  for gnome poweroff button
[09:59] <platzhirsch> There is a package from Trusty which I would like to install
[10:00] <wylde> 13.10 is saucy
[10:00] <platzhirsch> wylde: therefore the question
[10:00] <platzhirsch> 13.10 -> get a package from Trusty
[10:00] <ObrienDave> platzhirsch... good luck with that
[10:00] <bosnjak> hi
[10:01] <platzhirsch> ObrienDave: oi,.. how come?
[10:01] <wylde> platzhirsch, you "may" break something doing that.
[10:01] <platzhirsch> oh ok :(
[10:01] <wylde> platzhirsch, why are you wanting to do that?
[10:01] <platzhirsch> wylde: update libsoup
[10:02] <bosnjak> i am having trouble with .pam_environment file. I have tree variables defined, and one is not being recognized. After login i don't see it in printenv.. Any ideas? Here is my .pam_environment file: http://pastebin.com/h3XR1Jry
[10:02] <platzhirsch> yesterday I tried to update/install it from hand,.. bricked my Linux installation
[10:02] <ObrienDave> pffft I really need a good laugh right now
[10:02] <bosnjak> the middle one is not working ^
[10:02] <wylde> platzhirsch, far safer to get the updated source, build and install with checkinstall
[10:03] <newbie|3> instead of suspend I need Poweroff  buttonis there any extension in gnome  ?
[10:03] <platzhirsch> wylde: probably did something terribly wrong yesterday,.. I won't try to do that again
[10:04] <minimec> newbie|3: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/14/shut-down-menu/
[10:04] <wylde> platzhirsch, that's a good way to create unresolvable dependencies. Good idea. ;)
[10:05] <newbie|3> minimec:thanks
[10:05] <nyw_> hi
[10:05] <reisio> hi nyw_
[10:05] <nyw_> hi xyz am having trouble installing postgresql
[10:06] <nyw_> on ubuntu 12.04
[10:06] <platzhirsch> wylde: guess I just wait to the next Ubuntu release, until then I must listen to my Internet radio stream via console :P
[10:07] <rexwin_> nyw_, error message
[10:07] <wylde> platzhirsch, or you could go for the experience and learn to compile the updated package from source and install with checkinstall ;)
[10:07] <nyw_> No apport report written because the error message indicates its a followup error from a previous failure.                 Errors were encountered while processing:  postgresql-9.1  postgresql
[10:08] <platzhirsch> wylde: well I did that yesterday and at some point I made a mistake when dealing with the dependencies
[10:08] <platzhirsch> the source install required specific versions on the dependencies and there it went wrong
[10:08] <rexwin_> nyw_, did you run a update
[10:08] <wylde> platzhirsch, ahh I see
[10:08] <nyw_> yes
[10:08] <nyw_> have tried apt-get -f install
[10:08] <nyw_> too
[10:09] <platzhirsch> also I don't see how this works, there is a libsoup installed through the Ubuntu package system and then I install another one through compilation, I don't quite get how they don't cross each other
[10:10] <CiSense> hi i'm preparing to upgrade from 13.04 to 13.10 and I have read that I should ppa-purge
[10:10] <CiSense> third party software especially xorg-edgers. I have a grub customizer from danielrichter2007, should I also purge this?
[10:11] <wylde> platzhirsch, the packaging system will prefer the newer version. It's important not to use 'make install' unless you want to have to manually upgrade the package every time there's an update.
[10:12] <nyw_> i tried purging postgresql and did a reinstall nothing is working
[10:12] <rexwin_> nyw, did you try , sudo dpkg --configure -a    --- and then run the install
[10:12] <ObrienDave> CiSense... the dist-upgrade should disable those for you
[10:12] <nyw_> rexwin thanks let me try that
[10:13] <CiSense> ObrienDave, that's cool, that's exactly what I was hoping to hear ... thanks!
[10:13] <ObrienDave> CiSense... welcome
[10:13] <rexwin_> nyw_,  http://askubuntu.com/questions/187958/apt-get-f-install-fails-with-usr-bin-dpkg-returned-an-error-code-1
[10:14] <platzhirsch> wylde: ah ok, good to know, because I did make install, that's why you said check install?
[10:14] <ObrienDave> CiSense... you will have to re-enable PPAS after the upgrade
[10:14] <wylde> platzhirsch, yes, that way the packaging system is aware of the package and it will get updates.
[10:14] <minimec> platzhirsch: I checked the dependencies for libsoup2.4-1 (trusty). As I sees it you need this http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/libglib2.0-0 + this http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/libsoup2.4-1 . Save them to a empty directory and 'sudo dpkg -i *.deb' ... That should do
[10:15] <CiSense> ObrienDave, reenable with?
[10:15] <platzhirsch> minimec: so you think its safe to do?
[10:15] <ObrienDave> CiSense... manually, unless someone here knows an easier way
[10:16] <minimec> platzhirsch: I know this is somehow 'dirty', but in your case you only have one dependency, that you have to upgrade... So no problem...
[10:17] <CiSense> ObrienDave, , i have two other ppas that only have raring distro support, should I leave them offline?
[10:18] <ObrienDave> CiSense... yes, until after the upgrade. you might be able to change them to saucy
[10:20] <CiSense> ObrienDave, thanks again
[10:20] <ObrienDave> CiSense... what I did was go through the PPA list 1 by 1, running apt-get update until I had no errors. took a while
[10:21] <Guest83179> Frippery shut down extension not working in 12.04
[10:21] <ObrienDave> CiSense... ***my PPA list
[10:21] <UserError> Does the mirrors source trick work in the apt-fast mirrors list?
[10:21] <UserError> To pick multiple passes of the fastest mirror at any given second
[10:22] <CiSense> ObrienDave, if there is no 13.10 release for that ppa, i'll have to wait right?
[10:23] <ObrienDave> CiSense... yes, I just kept going backwards, Saucy, Raring, Quantal, Etc. until I got no more errors
[10:23] <minimec> CiSense: You can try to modify the 'distribution' of that ppa line. Change 'saucy' to 'rarning' for example.
[10:23] <ObrienDave> CiSense... Then I went on to the next PPA in the list
[10:24] <Guest83179> Frippery shut down extension not working  any help pls?
[10:24] <ObrienDave> !patience | Guest83179
[10:25] <ObrienDave> CiSense... i must have 30 PPAs in my list LOL
[10:26] <chalcedony> heh
[10:26] <UserError> >.>
[10:26] <lenzeor> Hey guys. I want to use my Sansa Clip+ with my Ubuntu 13.10 install, but it's not recognized by ubuntu. It doesnt show up in /media or #lsusb...
[10:26] <lenzeor> Any fixes?
[10:27] <babo1> is i burn an ubuntu iso then boot my computer with it will it respect my dual boot (with windows) setup ?
[10:27] <malinus> is using ppa the same thing as downloading the key, adding it with add-apt-repository, and adding the link to /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[10:27] <malinus> because I've added some repos with ppa, and they don't seem to be in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[10:27] <UserError> lenzeor press and hold the center button
[10:28] <UserError> when you insert
[10:28] <minimec> lenzeor: check 'dmesg' after you plugged the device. The last 5-10 lines of the output.
[10:28] <lenzeor> UserError, tried that.
[10:28] <lenzeor> minimec, OK will take look
[10:29] <lenzeor> [48286.108118] usb 6-1: new full-speed USB device number 5 using uhci_hcd [48291.520079] usb 6-1: device not accepting address 5, error -84"
[10:29] <minimec> lenzeor: Check this one? http://askubuntu.com/questions/312755/i-use-ubuntu-13-04-mp3-player-sansa-clip-zip-does-not-mount
[10:30] <lenzeor> minimec, problem is, the thing is empty.
[10:30] <platzhirsch> minimec: thanks for looking into that, much appreciated :) sure, dirty, but as long as it integrates well and the package gets updated with a new version automatically, everything is fine
[10:32] <ObrienDave> malinus... after looking at mine, It seems to be a combination of sources.list and sources.list.d
[10:32] <minimec> platzhirsch: If you just 'dpkg' the two packages I pasted, they won't get any updates. You would have to 'apt pin' them. The rest of the distro will continue to get the updates.
[10:33] <minimec> lenzeor: So you cannot browse the settings on that Sansa clip?
[10:33] <malinus> ObrienDave, thanks
[10:33] <ObrienDave> yup
[10:34] <malinus> what happens when I update to 13.10 but still have ppa's pointing to 13.04 as well as software that was designed to work with 13.04?
[10:34] <lenzeor> Damn
[10:35] <malinus> *repos
[10:35] <ObrienDave> malinus... the upgrade should disable your PPAs. after that you will have to manually re-enable them
[10:35] <malinus> ObrienDave, what about the software? will it be removed?
[10:36] <ObrienDave> no
[10:36] <ObrienDave> wait!
[10:36] <platzhirsch> minimec: well, I mean not updated through the Debian package, but let's say if 14.04 is released and it contains newer versions of these
[10:36] <ObrienDave> depends on the type of upgrade you do
[10:36] <malinus> ObrienDave, I meant distro upgrade 13.04->13.10 etc.
[10:37] <ObrienDave> if you do the normal dist-upgrade no it will not destroy your existing programs or data
[10:39] <iceroot> malinus: the software may be removed when there are conflicts with other packages then they may be removed, the updater will inform you about that what will be removed, changed and newly installed
[10:39] <ObrienDave> ^^^ what he said ^^^
[10:39] <iceroot> malinus: and because it is a ppa, its not supported here and not supported by the updater, the program may not work with other ubuntu versions
[10:40] <malinus> iceroot, exactly, so I would have to find the list of that kind of software, remove it myself, and add the ppa' to the new ubuntu version(if any).
[10:41] <iceroot> malinus: the updater will disable the ppas, you can reenable them for the new ubuntu release. a ppa normally contains software for different ubuntu releases
[10:42] <malinus> iceroot, you are right, but not the "deb package" though, right?
[10:42] <iceroot> malinus: as i said, the deb package MAY be removed because maybe it will face conflicts, dependencies can not be resolved anymore and so on, if not the program will stay in your ubuntu version
[10:43] <iceroot> malinus: to remove all packages from a ppa use sudo ppa-purge ppa:ppa-name
[10:44] <malinus> thanks iceroot
[10:44] <iceroot> malinus: that will list all packages which will be removed and after that it will disable the ppa, so you will switch back to the ubuntu default packages, it will also downgrade packages if in the ubuntu repos an older version is found (and was installed before)
[10:45] <iceroot> malinus: there was also some dpkg/apt-get foo to list all packages installed from a specific repo but i can not remember the command
[10:46] <patraanjan23> I installed ubuntu 13.04 on my 8 gb pen drive. After that it ran from the pen drive. Ive no hdd. But next day my pendrive was completely dead. My bios is not even detecting it
[10:46] <patraanjan23> How can i get my pen drive back in work?
[10:47] <iceroot> patraanjan23: if the bios is not detecting it, it is a hardware issue
[10:47] <iceroot> patraanjan23: that is not an ubuntu problem
[10:48] <platzhirsch> If I dpkg -i install debian packages, will they get updated through apt-get if Ubuntu releases newer versions of them?
[10:49] <ObrienDave> patraanjan23... have you tried a different USB port?
[10:49] <bekks> platzhirsch: No.
[10:49] <iceroot> patraanjan23: no
[10:49] <iceroot> patraanjan23: hm wait
[10:49] <platzhirsch> bekks: ok, thanks
[10:49] <patraanjan23> I have tried different USB port on my computer. my friends computer
[10:50] <iceroot> patraanjan23: yes it will update but only when you install a package with dpkg which is also in the repo (as a newer version) which is a totally stupid setup
[10:50] <iceroot> platzhirsch: see above
[10:50] <iceroot> patraanjan23: sorry wrong nick
[10:51] <iceroot> platzhirsch: if possible try to avoid installing local deb files, because you will not get security updates and on a release upgrade normally that will fail
[10:51] <platzhirsch> iceroot: so, it's a package from Trusty
[10:51] <patraanjan23> Hardware issue? I dont think it's a hardware issue. I think the problem is in ext3 formatting of the pen drive.
[10:51] <iceroot> platzhirsch: imo the updater ois removing everything which is not in the new repo. for example you install program foobar and foobar is removed from 13.10 then the updater will remove that installed program
[10:51] <ObrienDave> patraanjan23... sorry, but it sounds like your USB stick really died
[10:52] <roby2206> ciao
[10:52] <iceroot> patraanjan23: the bios does not care about fat, ntfs, ext or something like that
[10:52] <Ben64> platzhirsch: mixing packages from different versions is a great way to break everything. if you really need 14.04 stuff, you should just upgrade
[10:52] <iceroot> patraanjan23: if the bios is not detecing the drive, then its broken
[10:52] <shimano> Is there any trick to enable DTS-HD on fglrx? :)
[10:52] <roby2206> ! list
[10:52] <ObrienDave> !42
[10:53] <patraanjan23> I worked last night. N today morning there's nothing? I did not even unmount it from pc?
[10:53] <roby2206> ? list
[10:54] <iceroot> patraanjan23: how should the os detect the drive when the bios is not detecting the hardware?
[10:54] <platzhirsch> Ben64: Yeah, I heard that now sometimes :P it's just about libglib and libsoup
[10:54] <ObrienDave> patraanjan23... I have several Xubuntu's, Etc, on multiple USB sticks. I have never had one die like what you're describing.
[10:55] <patraanjan23> So it's fried officially? I know installing ubuntu on stick should do no bad! But how come all of a sudden it die?
[10:55] <Ben64> patraanjan23: plug the usb drive in, wait a couple seconds, and pastebin the output of "dmesg"
[10:57] <patraanjan23> Paste it here?
[10:57] <Ben64> !pastebin | patraanjan23
[10:58] <patraanjan23> Okay. Wait. I'll be back shortly.
[11:00] <sruz25> is there newest firefox in ubuntu 12.04? Or does it have only security updates?
[11:02] <iceroot> !info firefox precise
[11:02] <iceroot> sruz25: newest version, firefox is a program which will get major updates within an ubuntu release
[11:02] <sruz25> icedp: ty
[11:03] <iceroot> !info iceweasel precise
[11:04] <iceroot> :(
[11:05] <iceroot> i am still asking myself why there is firefox in ubuntu when canocial is patching firefox. i dont understand that logic
[11:05] <arunkumar413> H all, my system has windows, fedora and ubuntu is inside winodws. Main boot loader is fedora. Now I want to format the fedora partition. So, how I restore the boot loader after deleting fedora
[11:06] <iceroot> !grub | arunkumar413
[11:06] <iceroot> arunkumar413: last link
[11:06] <iceroot> arunkumar413: sorry, first link
[11:06] <Guest83179> https://extensions.gnome.org
[11:06] <Guest83179> How to install extensions from
[11:07] <arunkumar413> iceroot: that doesn't apply to me as I've installed ubuntu inside windows
[11:08] <auronandace> arunkumar413: you should avoid wubi
[11:08] <iceroot> arunkumar413: wubi?
[11:08] <arunkumar413> iceroot: yes
[11:09] <iceroot> arunkumar413: so you have grub which is showing fedora and windows, right? and you will remove fedora and want the windowds boot loader?
[11:09] <arunkumar413> yes
[11:09] <iceroot> arunkumar413: ##windows  and ask them how to restore the windows bootloader
[11:10] <patraanjan23_> I'm back
[11:10] <patraanjan23_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6305659/  here is the paste
[11:10] <pest_> Hey, a 3rd generation iPad can be installed ubuntu? , The chip is a A5xdual-core
[11:11] <k1l_> Guest83179: if you are running gnome-shell there is a option setting on the page.
[11:11] <auronandace> !arm | pest_
[11:11] <bekks> pest_: No, it cant.
[11:11] <iceroot> patraanjan23: as said earlier, hardware issue, there is no usb stick listed after you plugged it in and then typed dmesg
[11:12] <patraanjan23_> so I should tell the vendor?
[11:12] <iceroot> pest_: buy free hardware if you want freedom about your software
[11:12] <reisio> pest_: I believe iPads have secure boot, which is the real hurdle
[11:12] <rampageRipper> i wanna stop Orca,i'm logged in mate
[11:12] <reisio> pest_: as iceroot says, plenty of other tablets to be had, although many of those, even ones that come with Android, also have secure boot issues
[11:12] <reisio> not all, however :)
[11:12] <ObrienDave> patraanjan23... vendor of the USB stick, yes
[11:13] <reisio> ironically one of the tablets for which it is "easiest" to get GNU/Linux on is a Microsoft Surface Pro
[11:13] <patraanjan23_> okay. thanks for the time. have a great day. bye
[11:14] <pest_> in a tablet of hp can be installed ubuntu without no problem ?
[11:14] <iceroot> pest_: there are so mayn hp tablets
[11:14] <k1l_> pest_: please ask in #ubuntu-arm for arm support questions
[11:15] <iceroot> pest_: if you are really interested in something like that, choose hardware which respects your freedom (for example nexus devices)
[11:16] <iceroot> pest_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[11:17] <jasic> guys after I play game extreme tux or chromium-bsd; after exiting, the display gets low resolution
[11:18] <Guest83179> K1l_: i did from there  but nothing happened
[11:18] <pest_> is there in spain  hardware of low cost  with ubuntu installed for a tv full hd ?
[11:18] <k1l_> Guest83179: relogin?
[11:19] <Dr_Willis> pest_:  you can get low cost devices that can play HD video. many for under $100 usa
[11:19] <Dr_Willis> pest_:  zoltec has their line of mini htpcs also. if you want a full pc.
[11:20] <pest_> drwillis ok but this harware is from the chinorris???
[11:20] <Guest83179> K1l_:is there any othewr way?
[11:20] <Guest83179> other*
[11:20] <iceroot> pest_: raspberry pi is able to do that but ubuntu can not be used (but some debian forks). 35€
[11:20] <platzhirsch> How stable is it to run an Alpha version of a Ubuntu version?
[11:21] <iceroot> platzhirsch: you know what alpha means?
 when I login to system by using account : cattie , which with UID 0, then promt is like  root@ubunt#     how can let it prompt is  cattie@ubuntu#
[11:21] <platzhirsch> iceroot: ok, my question was kind of dump, using stable and alpha in one sentence
[11:21] <platzhirsch> I mean, is it usable?
[11:21] <iceroot> cattie: what?
[11:21] <iceroot> cattie: uid=0?
[11:22] <iceroot> platzhirsch: no
[11:22] <platzhirsch> iceroot: ok
[11:22] <k1l_> platzhirsch: if you need to ask about stability dont use alpha/beta
[11:22] <iceroot> cattie: who told you to do something stupid like that?
[11:22] <iceroot> cattie: that is the most stupid thing you can do
[11:22] <Guest29390> k1l_: i did relogin and reboot also but nothing
[11:22] <Dr_Willis> cattie:  the prompt is showing what yser you are logged in at.. if you want  it to be cattie.. then you should be loggint in as cattie. not root
[11:23] <k1l_> Guest29390: make sure you have the right gnome-shell version that is required by that extension
[11:23] <rampageRipper> orca is  so disturbing,how 2 stop it
[11:23] <Dr_Willis> cattie:  sounds like you have things really goofed up on your system if your user id of 0 is not root
[11:23] <pest_> the hardware of raspeberry is very poor , small ram and cpu
[11:23] <iceroot> pest_: you asked for full hd and it is working (and off topic here)
[11:24] <sburjan`> Hello. How can I see if I have packages installed which have a common name in them ?
[11:24] <k1l_> pest_: again: for ARM questions please see #ubuntu-arm  and ubuntu is not supported on that device
[11:24] <sburjan`> like all the packages that have a certain string in their name
 Yes, I login using cattie(with UID 0), but prompt is    root@ubuntu  not  cattie@ubuntu
[11:24] <reisio> sburjan`: dpkg -l | grep -i string
[11:24] <Dr_Willis> pest_:  for $35 it does quiet well for my video playback needs
[11:24] <sburjan`> reisio: thanks
[11:24] <iceroot> sburjan`: dpkg -l \*searchterm\*   ii= installed
[11:24] <Dr_Willis> cattie:  how did you set cattie to be UID of 0 ?
 <iceroot> cause I need to run  some  java class file
[11:25] <iceroot> cattie: wt....
[11:25] <auronandace> cattie: he ask how, not why
[11:25] <Dr_Willis> cattie:  you realize thats a rather poor reason
[11:25] <iceroot> cattie: please dont do something like that
[11:26] <auronandace> cattie: that was a very silly thing to do
[11:26] <iceroot> cattie: most stupid thing on a GNU/Linux system i ever heard/saw. dont change the user with uid=0 and dont run any stuff as root if it is not needed
[11:27] <iceroot> cattie: could you please paste the output of "cat /etc/passwd" to pastebin?
[11:27] <iceroot> sudo cat /etc/passwd
[11:27] <iceroot> ah without sudo is also fine, its readable
[11:27] <pest_> harware of low cost  with ubuntu installed for a tv hd , i cant buy it in spain only from the chinorris on line and with the risk of the  customs house and lose my money and the hardware ?
[11:28] <Arpad2> system not upgrading to 13.10 with error message http://paste.ubuntu.com/6305749/
[11:28] <oupateddie> when I open a large spreadsheet in 12.04 it seems as if unity crashes. The one moment the top menu is there and then it dissappears as well as the side menu bar... How can I restart unity without rebooting if it is at all possible
[11:28] <iceroot> pest_: #ubuntu-arm for the last time
[11:28] <oupateddie> spreadsheet as in Liber Office Calc
[11:28] <auronandace> pest_: this channel is for dealing with ubuntu issues, not helping you to shop
[11:29] <cattie> I just clean install  12.04 LTS  this afternoon,  so the account are  default UID, then I just modified  cattie UID to 0
[11:29] <wilee-nilee> Arpad2, any ppa's and how are you triggering the upgrade?
[11:29] <rampageRipper> i wanna stop Orca,i'm logged in mate
[11:29] <auronandace> cattie: you should never do that
[11:29] <Arpad2> wilee-nilee: through Settings Manager
[11:30] <Dr_Willis> cattie:   i suggest you make a new user.. and give that user sudo rights liek the system is supposed to worl
[11:30] <wilee-nilee> Arpad2, any 3rd party repos?
[11:30] <Dr_Willis> work
[11:30] <k1l_> rampageRipper: which ubuntu is it exactly?
[11:30] <iceroot> cattie: with a setup like that, your system is a very big security hole
[11:30] <iceroot> cattie: everything is running as root, the x-server, your browser, all programs, the shell
[11:30] <rampageRipper> k11:wheezy
[11:30] <mydog2> anyone here ply with php/pthreads without having to rebuild php from source?
[11:31] <k1l_> rampageRipper: ok, then please see the debian support
 OK, I will change back
[11:31] <pest_> i cant using ubuntu since a pendrive hdmi for my tv hd ???
[11:31] <Dr_Willis> pest_:  that  made no sence what so ever.
[11:31] <Arpad2> wilee-nilee: they were but should be disabled, also have some broken dependancies, how to fix those http://paste.ubuntu.com/6305775/
[11:31] <iceroot> pest_: you are lsitening to what we are saying?
[11:31] <cfhowlett> pest_,  ENGLISH?
[11:32] <k1l_> !spanish | pest_
 I will change my UID to original,  then I will  chmod  java_file.class  to  755,   is  that  OK for normal user like cattie  ?
[11:33] <new0> sha1sum, Dr_Willis, hey i was having problem to load the system again, anyway got my self external HDD now how do i install ubuntu?
[11:33] <wilee-nilee> Arpad2, disabling 3rd parties does not remove the packages which are most likely the errors showing, you familiar with ppa-purge? really what is needed are details for any real help.
[11:33] <Dr_Willis> cattie:  what java_file.class are you taling about?
[11:34] <Dr_Willis> new0:  same as you always install it.. boot a usb or cd/dvd with the  desktop iso on it.. and use the installer app.
[11:34] <Arpad2> wilee-nilee: I tryed to use but ppa-purge, but didn't remove anything
[11:34] <Guest29390> K1l_: thanks nw i got it working
[11:34] <pest_> is there some pendrive wifi hdmi with ubuntu installed for a tv full hd ????
[11:35] <wilee-nilee> Arpad2, how did you use it?
[11:35] <Dr_Willis> pest_:  i doubt it.
[11:35] <reisio> there's probably one or two
[11:35] <reisio> they tend to come with android
[11:35] <k1l_> pest_: last time now: this is not a shopping channel. for ARM questions use #ubuntu-arm , for general shopping advises please use #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:36] <Arpad2> wilee-nilee: for instance , entered this command in the terminal : sudo ppa-purge ppa:http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates/ubuntu
[11:36] <wilee-nilee> Arpad2, That is wrong.
[11:37] <wilee-nilee> !ppa-purge | Arpad2
[11:37] <Guest29390> How to remove outdated gnome shell extension ?
[11:37] <new0> Dr_Willis, right. but i get an error: "No root file system" No root file system is defined. please correct this from the partitioning menu
[11:37] <wilee-nilee> Arpad2, look at the links it is the name of the ppa used not the http
[11:38] <Dr_Willis> new0:  you need to assign / to a partion/filesystem like its saying
[11:38] <new0> Dr_Willis, it's an 1TB WD HDD "My Passport" with 2 partitions
[11:38] <bjackman> Hi there, does anyone know how to manually start the dbus authentication service? What program provides it?
[11:38] <Dr_Willis> new0:  / is the 'root' of the filesystem
[11:38] <wilee-nilee> Guest29390, how is it outdated?
[11:38] <Dr_Willis> ie:  sdb2 gets mounted as /   in the installer  new0
[11:38] <pest_> is there some mark of smart tv with ubuntu like operative system installed?????
[11:39] <new0> Dr_Willis, i don't have this option. where to look?
[11:39] <wilee-nilee> Guest29390, You can do it from their extension site or used the tweak tool called gnome tweak.
[11:39] <Guest29390> wilee-nilee:i dont knw when I checked in gnome shell extension site its saying outdated.
[11:39] <Dr_Willis> new0:  its right there int he installer where you partion the disks - you are doing the 'somthing else/customized' partioning layout?
[11:40] <Arpad2> wilee-nilee: in Other Software, where there is the lis of ppa, the url is given, so isn't that the name?
[11:40] <Arpad2> wilee-nilee: but I don't understand the syntax
[11:40] <wilee-nilee> Guest29390, Or you can just go to .local-share-gnome-shell-extensions and delete it.
[11:40] <PatrickDickey> Arpad2: Which ppa are you trying to remove?
[11:41] <new0> Dr_Willis, right the 'something else' part. i have the sbd1, sbd2 so i choose the sbd2 and click change
[11:41] <wilee-nilee> Arpad2, this link is not clear enough
[11:41] <Dr_Willis> new0:  look in the pul down menus. it asks what to assigne the partion to  / /boot/ /var/ /home/ and so forth
[11:41] <wilee-nilee> http://www.webupd8.org/2009/12/remove-ppa-repositories-via-command.html
[11:41] <Dr_Willis> new0:  you assigne a partion to /
[11:41] <wilee-nilee> Arpad2, http://www.webupd8.org/2009/12/remove-ppa-repositories-via-command.html
[11:42] <pest_> is there some mark of smart tv with ubuntu like operative system installed ????
[11:42] <Arpad2> wilee-nilee: there were 6-7 ppas installed
[11:42] <wilee-nilee> Arpad2, You remove each one individually
[11:42] <cfhowlett> pest_, you were advised that this isn't a shopping channel.  Ask in #ubuntu-offtopic.
[11:43] <PatrickDickey> pest_: Are you asking if there are any smart tv's that run Ubuntu, or at least run Linux?
[11:43] <Arpad2> wilee-nilee: ok
[11:43] <new0> Dr_Willis, Mount point: it's disable for me. also Format the partition: is disable. and of course i don't want to format it if i don't have to. only if i "Use as:" it can give me some to do
[11:43] <Dr_Willis> new0:  err.. theres data on it you want to keep?
[11:44] <new0> Dr_Willis, right now the "Use as:" is on 'do not use the partition'
[11:44] <pest_> i want to know if there hardware of ubuntu made for a tv??
[11:44] <PatrickDickey> !UbuntuTV | pest_
[11:44] <new0> Dr_Willis, there is data. but rather not touch it if not have to
[11:44] <Dr_Willis> new0:  you have us totally confused.. if you are instsalling.. You make a ext2/3/4 partion and assign that to be used as '/' the root of the filesystem
[11:44] <PatrickDickey> The channel listed in there will be your best bet for answers, pest_. Not here.
[11:45] <Dr_Willis> new0:  what filesystem is this usb formated to currently?
[11:45] <reisio> pest_: you might be interested in https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi#Should_I_buy_a_Rasberry_Pi.3F
[11:45] <new0> Dr_Willis, right. it's NTFS
[11:45] <Guest50044> does truecrypt work with ubuntu?
[11:45] <Dr_Willis> new0:  you DONT install to a ntfs partion
[11:45] <reisio> they aren't quite as small as hdmi dongles, but that has its benefits, too
[11:45] <reisio> Guest50044: yup
[11:45] <cfhowlett> Guest50044, yes
[11:45] <new0> Dr_Willis, does ubuntu have to run on EXT2/3/4?
[11:45] <Dr_Willis> new0:  you make a ext2/3/4 partion and install to it
[11:45] <PatrickDickey> Guest50044: yes.
[11:45] <Dr_Willis> new0:  YES...
[11:45] <bekks> new0: Ubuntu has to run on a linux filesystem, yes.
[11:45] <cfhowlett> new0, nope but ext4 is default
[11:45] <Guest50044> thanks
[11:45] <Dr_Willis> or some other linux compatiable filesystem
[11:46] <new0> Dr_Willis, :) ok got ya
[11:46] <wilee-nilee> Arpad2, removing them is the same info as installing them for example this ppa to add it is sudo add-apt-repository ppa:tualatrix/ppa  to remove it is sudo ppa-purge ppa:tualatrix/ppa  https://launchpad.net/~tualatrix/+archive/ppa
[11:47] <new0> Dr_Willis, bekks, cfhowlett, well if i do that i guess i can't use this partition on Win/OS (unless with some specific program)
[11:47] <bekks> new0: Thats correct. And those "specific program" are likely to break that filesystem.
[11:47] <cfhowlett> new0, share a part?  you mean share data?  doable ...
[11:47] <Arpad2> wilee-nilee: so,  if in the list in Other Software is http://ppa.launchpad.net/bumblebee/stable/ubuntu , how do I remove it with ppa-purge?
[11:48] <new0> Dr_Willis, bekks, cfhowlett, do i have to checkbox the "Format the partition:"?
[11:48] <wilee-nilee> Arpad2, The http added there is for you to see the actual ppa not part of any command
[11:48] <bekks> new0: I dont know where you actually are (in which application), so I cant tell you.
[11:49] <new0> Dr_Willis, bekks, cfhowlett, yes to share a data. but it's only 20GB of space. not going to cry on this one :(
[11:50] <new0> Dr_Willis, bekks, cfhowlett, what you mean which application? right now i am on live-cd (USB) and running the installer 12.04 LTS
[11:50] <wilee-nilee> Arpad2, sudo apt-get purge ppa:bumblebee/stable
[11:50] <Arpad2> wilee-nilee: so I  have to find the ppa name first of tha url?
[11:50] <Arpad2> wilee-nilee: ok
[11:51] <Dr_Willis> new0:  dosent really matter.. if you dont have a  device you can partion into ext2/3/4/whatever partions. ;)
[11:51] <wilee-nilee> Arpad2, Go to each ppa, look at the install info as I showed you and use that same info on the purge, it is the ppa past the :
[11:51] <iLoveHim> Is anyone here willing to help me with something ? I would prefer in private, if so, please open a private chat
[11:51] <new0> Dr_Willis, bekks, cfhowlett, well i did not check that check box of the Format and click "Ok" and it's mark the "Format?" column anyway
[11:53] <Arpad2> wilee-nilee: I got this http://paste.ubuntu.com/6305867/
[11:53] <gnuton> Hi
[11:53] <gnuton> what's the status of Ubuntu TV?
[11:53] <new0> Dr_Willis, bekks, cfhowlett, what is that message about swap space? something about memory, do i need to worry about it? 8GB memory
[11:54] <PatrickDickey> !UbuntuTV | gnuton
[11:54] <new0> Dr_Willis, bekks, cfhowlett, * 6GB mem
[11:54] <Dr_Willis> new0:  lets start from the beginning.. You have a external USB Flash drive? its currentlyu formated to a Single NTFS partition?
[11:54] <gnuton> thanks
[11:54] <wilee-nilee> Arpad2, can you find the ppa that is from, problem here is you do not understand the use of ppa's and how to remove them. Honestly you are an an area not supported, you might consider just backing up what yuou need and doing a fresh install.
[11:55] <new0> Dr_Willis, bekks, cfhowlett, external USB yes, NTFS yes
[11:55] <Dr_Willis> new0:  you have backed up ALL the data on that thing?
[11:55] <wilee-nilee> !ppa | Arpad2 notice the unstable
[11:56] <CiSense> hi ... my 13.04 to 13.10 upgrade failed to calculate, do I need to ppa-purge xorg-edgers?
[11:56] <new0> Dr_Willis, no (not really important for me) it's can take 30m to copy that
[11:56] <jasic> guys after I play game extreme tux or chromium-bsd; after exiting, the display gets low resolution
[11:56] <Dr_Willis> new0:  so you have no issue with eraseing the whole thing?
[11:57] <new0> Dr_Willis, only that partition
[11:58] <Dr_Willis> new0:  and how many partions are on the thing now?
[11:58] <new0> Dr_Willis, 2 partition
[11:58] <tron71> Hi
[11:58] <Dr_Willis> new0:  and what filesystems are the 2 partions
[11:58] <tron71> I've just upgraded to 13.10 and the Logout and Shutdown menus do not work anymore
[11:58] <tron71> even if I select one of them, nothing happens...
[11:58] <new0> Dr_Willis, NTFS as right now
[11:59] <Dr_Willis> new0:  well you will need to resize them and make a ext2/3/4 partion for linux and normally a swap partion also
[11:59] <new0> Dr_Willis, 1: 20GB, 2: all the spare
[12:00] <gaz1310> 14.04 channel plz?
[12:00] <new0> Dr_Willis, is that needed or good to have?
[12:00] <lukecarrier> !ppa-purge
[12:01] <Dr_Willis> new0:  you only want to keep the 20gb partion? thats the only one with imporntant data on it?
[12:02] <gaz1310> u dont need web8 repos for ppa purge
[12:02] <gaz1310> sudo apt-get install -y ubuntu-restricted-extras && sudo apt-get install -y --no-install-recommends aptitude dconf-tools p7zip-full ppa-purge
[12:03] <new0> Dr_Willis, sorry: again now i will explain. i have WD 1TB USB3. it's have 2 partitions. 1: almost all the drive, 2: 20GB for the installation. am i understandble now?
[12:03] <Dr_Willis> new0:  you need to make a ext4 partion (the default) to install linux onto.
[12:03] <new0> Dr_Willis, 1: important data NOT TO ERASE. 2: whatever thingsss
[12:03] <Dr_Willis> new0:  so convert the 20gb
[12:04] <Dr_Willis> new0:  if you goof up.. you CAN erase the whole disk..
[12:04] <new0> Dr_Willis, right. and do i have to have the swap thing? what is good?
[12:04] <wachpwnski> can someone help me start a vm with qemu bridged with nat?
[12:04] <Dr_Willis> new0:  make a swap partion if you want.  you can always add a swap file later
[12:05] <jawad> Hi guys I started up Ubuntu LTS for the first time and I cant figure out how to connect to internet?
[12:05] <new0> Dr_Willis, ok. then i will start the installation?!
[12:05] <gaz1310> LTS?
[12:05] <wachpwnski> jawad: you have a plugged in nic or wireless?
[12:05] <wachpwnski> Long Term Support
[12:05] <gaz1310> meh
[12:07] <gaz1310> wach
[12:07] <gaz1310> http://felipec.wordpress.com/2009/12/27/setting-up-qemu-with-a-nat/
[12:08] <new0> Dr_Willis, btw tnx for helping me yesterday and now :)
[12:09] <new0> Dr_Willis, nice change though
[12:09] <new0> Dr_Willis, nice *channel
[12:11] <rintu> hii
[12:11] <wachpwnski> gaz1310: that looks crazy easy
[12:11] <wachpwnski> if my gateway is <IP_ADDRESS>  what should I set my nat on?
[12:12] <rintu> 2<IP_ADDRESS>
[12:12] <gaz1310> lol
[12:12] <gaz1310> no
[12:12] <Lyut> Hey, does anybody know if there is a way to start the dropbox daemon on startup?
[12:12] <Lyut> without having to go in to terminal and start it manually
[12:12] <rintu> put in on startup
[12:13] <ztane> wachpwnski: nat = netmask?
[12:13] <rintu> program
[12:13] <ztane> wachpwnski: most probably netmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:13] <gaz1310> guest: xxx.xxx.00x.00x
[12:13] <gaz1310> oh
[12:13] <gaz1310> yes
[12:13] <wachpwnski> so <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[12:13] <k1l_> Lyut: that should be automatic if you use nautilus
[12:14] <gaz1310> set it to 2
[12:14] <Lyut> I don't use Nautilus I don't think
[12:14] <wachpwnski> 168.2.0 ?
[12:14] <gaz1310> <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:14] <k1l_> Lyut: which ubuntu is it with which desktop enviroment?
[12:14] <wilee-nilee> !who | gaz1310 wachpwnski
[12:15] <Lyut> 13.1
[12:15] <Lyut> 64 bit
[12:15] <eer> What is the easiest way to find programs  that can be installed from a certain area of interest via terminal? pt-cache?
[12:16] <Lyut> Unity shell
[12:16] <k1l_> eer: apt-cache search
[12:16] <k1l_> Lyut: then it should be automatic if you install dropbox from the repos "sudo apt-get install dropbox"
[12:16] <eer> k1l_, any other way?
[12:17] <Lyut> I did
[12:17] <Lyut> but it's not automatic
[12:17] <Lyut> I have to type ~/.dropbox-dist/dropboxd in whenever I want to launch it
[12:17] <eer> dropbox is not open source, is it
[12:17] <eer> watch out for NSA backdoors
[12:17] <Lyut> I use it for web development
[12:17] <Lyut> idc about NSA with it
[12:17] <Lyut> :P
[12:18] <PatrickDickey> wachpwnski: If your IP Address is 192.168.1.x, then you're already behind a NAT. If you're trying to configure qemu with a NAT interface of it's own, you'll probably want to use something like 192.168.2.x for it's IP Address (internally), and <IP_ADDRESS> for the netmask (subnet mask).
[12:18] <PatrickDickey> eer: apt-cache search would be the best way to search for programs.
[12:18] <k1l_> Lyut: are you sure its from the ubuntu repos? i just installed a fresh 13.10 and dropbox works fine.
[12:18] <wilee-nilee> Lyut, If you installed it correctly it is in the startup applications and already running.
[12:19] <eer> After having found a program that might suit one's needs with apt-cache search. Is there a way to get a detailed description of the program or do I have to install it first and then read its man page? I mean is there a way to get information about a program before installing it? apt-cache search only provides one line of information.
[12:20] <Lyut> Is there a way I can check?
[12:20] <Lyut> I'm 99% sure I did
[12:20] <gaz1310> sudo apt-get install nautilus-dropbox
[12:21] <kalaka> hello everyone, i have laptop, running ubuntu 12.04, it is automatically ejecting, DVD drive, mostly 3-4 times in a row, how to solve that error, it happens at random intervals after login
[12:21] <PatrickDickey> Lyut: dpkg -l | grep dropbox might show you whether it's an ubuntu version or not.
[12:21] <k1l_> gaz1310: no, that got wrong depencies. dropbox is fine if its installed from the ubuntu repo
[12:21] <wilee-nilee> Lyut, populate the startup applications and look. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ShowHiddenStartupApplications
[12:21] <gaz1310> roger
[12:21] <CiSense> hi ... my 13.04 to 13.10 upgrade failed to calculate, do I need to ppa-purge xorg-edgers and all other ppas?
[12:21]  * PatrickDickey my dpkg -l didn't show anything "ubuntu" about it, but I installed it from their site.
[12:22] <kalaka> but when it happens, it doesn't allow me to push DVD Drive inside, when i push it, it ejects it automatically after one two seconds
[12:22] <kalaka> drive is empty
[12:22] <wilee-nilee> CiSense, Impossible to say really, how many ppa's are there?
[12:22] <kalaka> and it never happens on windows
[12:22] <CiSense> wilee-nilee,  4 including xorg-edgers
[12:22] <Lyut> Ooh it's not in there
[12:22] <Lyut> O.o
[12:23] <wilee-nilee> CiSense, at least impossible without some real details, that you will be lucky if someone wants to walk you through, and ppa's are basically not supported, a bit of a conundrum.
[12:23] <k1l_> Lyut: so you did install it manually?
[12:23] <Lyut> Yeah I guess I did then
[12:23] <Lyut> Sorry I couldn't really remember >.<
[12:24] <k1l_> Lyut: that is the reason then. the ubuntu package manages all startup stuff while installing
[12:24] <Lyut> If I reinstall it do you think that that would work?
[12:24] <CiSense> wilee-nilee, indeed :(   so i cannot upgrade?
[12:24] <kalaka> while running plymouth, i see that, while restarting, it displays some messages  related to shut and then displays plymouth theme, i want login and restart  GUI as much as possible, i mean i don't want these message to appear while login or restart
[12:24] <ikonia> CiSense: the upgrade process says you should remove all PPA's and all software ever installed by PPA's before trying the upgrade process
[12:24] <kalaka> is there any way to update unity, without updating distro
[12:25] <wilee-nilee> CiSense, YOu can do like many of us and figure it out, a statement it can't be is to resolute without ant details.
[12:25] <kalaka> i mean, distro upgrading
[12:25] <CiSense> ikonia, ahh okay thanks, that wasn't clear .. i'll do that
[12:26] <eer> After having found a program that might suit one's needs with apt-cache search. Is there a way to get a detailed description of the program or do I have to install it first and then read its man page? I mean is there a way to get information about a program before installing it? apt-cache search only provides one line of information.
[12:26] <wylde> eer, apt-cache show packagname
[12:26] <CiSense> ikonia, is ppa-purge sufficient?
[12:26] <ikonia> CiSense: I don't believe so as I don't trust the tool, but others disagree.
[12:27] <ikonia> eer: you can only read the information that's in the package, eg: version, description, etc
[12:27] <CiSense> ikonia, so better to remove each ppa package manually with synaptic for example?
[12:27] <eer> ikonia, how?
[12:28] <ikonia> CiSense: or any tool you are comfortable
[12:28] <ikonia> eer: how what?
[12:28] <wylde> eer, apt-cache show packagname <--- I believe will give you the most readable info
[12:28] <CiSense> synapatic works for me ;)
[12:28] <CiSense> synaptic too
[12:28] <eer> wylde, thx
[12:29] <wylde> eer,  welcome
[12:29] <siwica> while installing ghc (make install) my laptop went out of power. When I restarted it it became super slow, my screen resolution is stuck to the minimum (cant increase it), wlan doesnt work anymore...)? How can I repair the system?!
[12:30] <ikonia> siwica: make install on ghc will not change your resolution, you need to find out what's changed, why it's changed and fix it
[12:30] <siwica> any thoughts on how to do this?
[12:31] <CiSense> ikonia, or perhaps it's better to wait for 12.04 and do a fresh install, i really don't want to screw my system
[12:31] <ikonia> siwica: working through one problem at a time, checking the logs is a good start
[12:31] <ikonia> CiSense: wait for 12.04 ? 12.04 has been out for over a year
[12:31] <CiSense> lol oops 14.04
[12:31] <ikonia> CiSense: that's up to you,
[12:32] <CiSense> of course it is
[12:32] <ikonia> CiSense: my only advise I can suggest is don't use PPA's unless you have a real 'need' for them
[12:32] <wachpwnski> gaz1310: does all this in the end need to be echo'd into ip forward?
[12:33] <siwica> ikonia: I there a possibility of repairing the system with a Ubuntu 13.04 CD?
[12:33] <eer> Anybody knows of a program that provides a calendar so one can sync the calendar with all PCs in the home LAN with smart phones and over the internet connecting to one's home server?
[12:33] <CiSense> ikonia, i had a real need .. not sure why i have xorg.edgers perhaps for the AMD driver
[12:33] <wachpwnski> eer: google does it?
[12:33] <ikonia> siwica: you probably won't need a 13.04 cd - you need to understand the problem first
[12:33] <wylde> eer, owncloud?
[12:34] <eer> wachpwnski, I don't want to use any US services (NSA).
[12:34] <eer> I am looking for open source software that I can install on my own machine.
[12:34] <wylde> !info owncloud | eer
[12:34] <eer> wylde, thx. I will check it out.
[12:35] <siwica> ikonia: well since wlan doesnt work, I dont have internet access on that machine at the moment so I was looking for a quick solution
[12:35] <wylde> eer, np :)
[12:35] <eer> wylde, have you used it?
[12:35] <ikonia> siwica: who said you need internet access ?
[12:35] <wylde> eer, nope. I have done just a cursory read through it's webpage. I'm considering it.
[12:36] <eer> wylde, OK.
[12:36] <eer> Has anybody used owncloud ?
[12:36] <ikonia> eer: just ask the real question
[12:36] <LjL> no, no one ever
[12:36] <k1l_> eer: what does it help you if all 1800 users now answer?
[12:36] <ikonia> "anyone got an idea for a product " "own cloud" " has anyone used owncloud" - just ASK wha tyou really want to know
[12:36] <siwica> ikonia: ok, i might not. but since I am not at home and write from a uni machine, I have to find a way here how so solve the issue since I cant ask for help when at my own laptop
[12:37] <ikonia> siwica: you want a %100 solution to fix your laptop when you get home. You've got no internet access, you can't trouble shoot it with us and you've given us no information, - the best solution is "re-install ubuntu cleanly"
[12:39] <siwica> ikonia: ok, sorry that sounded dump. my mistake. I just thought this might have been a common issue since it occured due to an interrupted install process
[12:39] <eer> I want to know whether owncloud is 100% open source and how safe it is to connect to one's own cloud server at home via the internet.
[12:39] <wylde> siwica, and remember to plug in your laptop when doing operations that can cause issues ;)
[12:39] <ikonia> siwica: you where compiling a haskell compiler from source, which failed, that would not change the system to crate the problems you describe
[12:40] <hitsujiTMO> eer: i have used owncloud as a dropbox alternative in the past in my previous job. didn't use the other features tho. works pretty well.
[12:40] <ikonia> siwica: re-install ubuntu - get a clean/stable system then move forward from there
[12:40] <wylde> eer, have a read throught their webpage? You can even download the source and have a look if you want.
[12:40] <sha1sum> hitsujiTMO, wylde: are you still awake or awake again? heh
[12:40] <ikonia> eer: %100 open source ??? it says it on the web page
[12:40] <wylde> sha1sum, still awake. Too much pain to sleep
[12:40] <hitsujiTMO> sha1sum: awake again
[12:40] <ikonia> eer: how safe is it - it's your own lan, so it's as safe as YOU make it
[12:40] <sha1sum> :(
[12:40] <siwica> ikonia: this would be an option but I would have to install all my programs again manually?!
[12:40] <ikonia> eer: based on the questions you are asking, I would suggest not running something like this as it is likley you will open a security risk
[12:41] <ikonia> siwica: manually ? you're asking questions I have no idea to the answer, I don't know what you've installed or how you've installed it
[12:42] <eer> ikonia, i meant it is apache based and requires an open port to the internet.
[12:42] <eer> or more than one port?
[12:42] <wylde> eer, if you want it to be open to the internet it does.
[12:42] <hitsujiTMO> eer: hppt or https must be open
[12:42] <ikonia> eer: apache based ? apache is a web server....
[12:42] <sha1sum> siwica: do you have any wlan devices listed when you run iwconfig?
[12:42] <ikonia> eer: if you want to connect to from the internet...it will require an open port of some sort.
[12:42] <ikonia> eer: I suggest reading the documentation on a product before even considering using it
[12:43] <siwica> ikonia: ok, sorry. I have installed a whole bunch of programs using aptitude/apt-get. I would appreciate an option where I could keep these programs and just replace the system files. It might sound dumb but I am quite new to Linux and can't really afford taking a day off just to reinstall them all.
[12:43] <ikonia> but again - I advise you not to run this as it sounds like you are going to open a security risk
[12:43] <siwica> sha1sum: I will check that when I am at home!
[12:43] <ikonia> siwica: nothing wrong with being new, yes, you'll need to re-install them, and keeping them would be unwise as you don't know what you've broken
[12:43] <ikonia> siwica: clean install - and pay attention to what's happening on the machine going forward
[12:44] <sha1sum> siwica: also when you say your display is at the lowest resolution I'm assuming you're talking about some kind of X (GUI) session?
[12:44] <siwica> sha1sum: Dont know what that is?
[12:44] <sha1sum> siwica: basically you have graphics not just a command line right?
[12:44] <siwica> sha1sum: Also the system is incredibly slow
[12:45] <siwica> sha1sum: Yes I do!
[12:45] <sha1sum> siwica: GUI == "Graphical User Interface"
[12:45] <siwica> sha1sum: I was just confused by the X, but sure I know what GUI is
[12:46] <wylde> siwica, I'd wonder if the HD didn't get damaged with power loss if it failed to shutdown correctly
[12:46] <sha1sum> siwica: X is short for X Org, which is the standard GUI that runs on Linux
[12:46] <Guest45427> hello there.. i just switched to ubuntu, and whenever i maximize a window on my second screen, it ends up maximized on my first screen.. when i unmaximize it again, it pops on the second screen again.. ive been searching for solutions and only find a lot of bug reports (some from 2012) and was wondering.. is there no solution to this?
[12:47] <Guest45427> oh yeah, using ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[12:47] <siwica> wylde: possibly. Any way to find out?
[12:48] <wylde> !fsck > siwica
[12:48] <ikonia> come on
[12:48] <ikonia> blindly telling someone to fsck their disk....
[12:49] <sha1sum> Guest45427: any particular reason that you used an older release when you switched from whatever you were using before?
[12:50] <wilee-nilee> siwica, Might I say, you have been helped by an experienced user, a moderator here, do not just think anyone who will post to you is of any real help here.
[12:50] <sha1sum> siwica: do you have a machine at home that *does* work? Ideally you could have the machine next to you so that you could run some stuff, check the results, and find out more information for us to assist you with.
[12:52] <sha1sum> *crickets*
[12:53] <siwica> wylde: I will try fsck I think (got some instructions via pm) and will take my laptop to uni tomorrow if that doesnt help
[12:53] <siwica> sha1sum: this way I can trouble shoot better
[12:53] <siwica> wilee-nilee: ok, thanks! You meant wylde?
[12:53] <Kezako> Hi
[12:54] <sha1sum> siwica: Yeah it's very hard to be able to help just based on knowing what you've told us because we'd need pretty detailed information to further assist most likely :)
[12:54] <wilee-nilee> siwica, Just in general, what ikonia has told you is solid information.
[12:54] <wylde> siwica, no not me, Ikonia.
[12:55] <tanr0> im trying to turn my wireless on with ipconfig wlan0 up but it gives me "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Input/output error"
[12:55] <bekks> tanr0: iwconfig or ifconfig?
[12:55] <sha1sum> siwica: look at it as a learning experience ;) I know I learned most of the important Linux-related information by breaking my own stuff then having to learn how to get out of it.
[12:55] <bekks> tanr0: And did you run it using sudo?
[12:55] <siwica> ok,  thanks for the information so far. It really helps. I am in the middle of a thesis and that is some worst case scenario for me :)
[12:56] <tanr0> bekks yeah using sudo
[12:56] <siwica> sha1sum: that's probably very true
[12:56] <sha1sum> siwica: you should switch your thesis to "repairing ubuntu installations after power loss" lol
[12:56] <Kezako> I have an issue with wubi when I use bcdedit to modify bootmgr, have ever seen this problem ?
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> 'the value of UPS in keeping ones sanity'
[12:57] <siwica> sha1sum: :)
[12:58] <wilee-nilee> Kezako, wubi is not used much and has very few helpers I can only think of one at the ubuntu forums, bcdedit is windows anyway
[12:58] <tanr0> im trying to turn my wireless on with ipconfig wlan0 up but it gives me "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Input/output error" any ideas on how to fix that?
[12:59] <bekks> tanr0: So did you use iwconfig or ifconfig? ipconfig does not exist.
[12:59] <tanr0> ifconfig i meant bekks
[12:59] <bekks> tanr0: Then better use iwconfig for wireless adapters.
[13:00] <tanr0> okay so how do i put it in UP state ?
[13:01] <Kezako> wilee-nilee: yes of course, but I intend to use bootmgr to boot grub4dos, so I check srouce code of wubi to see how it interact with bootmgr, then I do it manually it dosen't work ...
[13:01] <minimec> tanr0: sudo dhclient wlan0, if you configured it right.
[13:01] <bekks> tanr0: Using iwconfig wlan0 up
[13:01] <Kezako> wilee-nilee: I think I have to do the dirty way
[13:02] <Kezako> wilee-nilee: reinstal wubi and replace the root.disk with the old one :(
[13:02] <tanr0> bekks: iwconfig: unknown command "up"
[13:03] <SimonJai> hey guys I want to monitor a director and keep a log of changes
[13:03] <SimonJai> what do you guys recommend?
[13:03] <sha1sum> Alright, so now I'm back to asking my question from yesterday: after installing fglrx X sessions are fine, but I have no TTY sessions (black) or bootsplash. I'm trying to google but really don't know what to search for in google to get the answers I'm looking for. Anyone point me in the right direction?
[13:03] <bekks> SimonJai: inotify.
[13:04] <hitsujiTMO> Kezako: the only advice anyone tends to give here on wubi is to simply "not use it". there's usually better alternatives such as doing an actual install or running it in a virtual machine
[13:04] <SimonJai> does it keep logs?
[13:04] <bekks> SimonJai: You can log its messages.
[13:04] <SimonJai> coool, thanks bekks
[13:04] <tanr0> j
[13:06] <wilee-nilee> Kezako, I would put ubuntu in a partition.
[13:06] <sha1sum> Of course now that I type the question on to IRC I remember that I probably need to blacklist the radeon module.
[13:07] <wilee-nilee> Kezako, Even the designer for wubi states it is for a tryout not regular use.
[13:07] <siwica> can I make a usb stick bootable (to boot ubuntu 13.04 from) if it also contains other files I dont want to delete?
[13:08] <hitsujiTMO> siwica: most usb install creators will not format a usb unless you tell it to (such as unetbootin)
[13:09] <sha1sum> rebooting
[13:10] <tanr0> im trying to turn my wireless on with ipconfig wlan0 up but it gives me "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Input/output error" any ideas on how to fix that?
[13:11] <hitsujiTMO> tanr0: iwconfig wlan0 power on
[13:13] <tanr0> hitsujiTMO: same thing
[13:13] <siwica> hitsujiTMO: do you know a tool for open suse (i am at uni right now)
[13:13] <tanr0> says device not ready when i try to pic it up on network options
[13:13] <bekks> siwica: "unetbootin"
[13:14] <hitsujiTMO> siwica: unetbootin is on all OSs
[13:15] <hitsujiTMO> tanr0: was it working before or is it a newly installed device?
[13:16] <aib> ahh nvm it's /usr/share/debconf/confmodule giving the error
[13:16] <tanr0> hitsujiTMO:  well im using kali linux but i dont get much support on their channel
[13:16] <bekks> tanr0: Well, you dont get support in here too, since this is not a kali linux support channel.
[13:16] <k1l_> tanr0: kali is even not based on ubuntu. please see their support
[13:18] <SimonJai_> bekks: how do I log inotifywait's messages