[02:18]  * Martyn swears loudly at the tegra2 board
[02:18] <Martyn> this chip has the oddest frigging bottlenecks in performance!
[02:20] <persia> So, I've got this source that hardcodes "armv4l" in ./configure, and fails to build for any other `uname -m`.  Anyone have a good suggestion on the safest way to patch that?
[02:20] <Martyn> right now, I'm trying to improve streams performance .. and do you know where I found the bottleneck?
[02:21] <Martyn> I can't make memcpy() fast.
[02:21] <Martyn> DMA is fast as all getgo
[02:21] <Martyn> mem copy?  Slow.  Slow as dog
[02:22] <persia> What!
[02:23]  * persia can't imagine how to implement something that would have that particular combination of performance metrics.
[02:24] <Martyn> __aeabi_memcpy4
[02:24] <Martyn> is what is being used .. aligned memcpy ...
[02:24] <Martyn> it _should_ be fast.
[02:25] <Martyn> I'm going to try to force it to use __aeabi_memcpy instead
[02:25] <Martyn> persia : Any ideas?
[02:25] <persia> None, sorry.
[02:25] <persia> I don't really understand that low-level stuff.
[02:26] <Martyn> There is no NEON on the tegra2, so I know the GNU optimizer won't try for that
[02:26] <Martyn> (saving a potential 50 cycle penalty)
[02:29] <Martyn> Well .. what I think I'll do is use PLD, ldm/stm about 32bytes to match the cache line size, and keep things aligned
[02:29] <Martyn> but it SUCKS that I need to do that.
[02:29] <Martyn> write my own memcpy()
[03:56] <DanaG> hmm, say, those Marvell 1.2GHz ARM CPUs... how do they compare in desktop usage (i.e. firefox page-load, and such) to a 1.6GHz Atom, or to a 1.6GHz Athlon XP?
[04:05] <persia> You can't really compare directly.
[04:06] <DanaG> hmm.
[04:06] <DanaG> How would you compare them, then?
[04:07] <persia> Generally, you want to find some repeatable workload, and then run it on different hardware.
[04:07] <persia> Depending on the available hardware features, you'll get varying performance.
[04:08] <persia> But there's a huge set of dependencies on the actual workload.  Just being fast at one workload as no relevance whatsoever to being fast at another workload.
[04:08] <DanaG> I'd find it interesting to put a radeon on an ARM processor's PCIe slot.
[04:08] <persia> And lots of hardware has accellerated features for certain workloads or subsets, *especially* in the SoC realm.
[04:08] <persia> I know folks have done that with some success in the past.
[04:09] <DanaG> Speaking of ARM... I keep seeing Flash for Arm on Android... but what about every other ARM system?
[04:09] <persia> MInd you, it's only interesting if you have workloads easily accelerated with a GPU...
[04:09] <persia> Flash is available for just about any ARM system.
[04:09] <DanaG> Compiz is my biggest GPU-usage thingy on any platform.
[04:09] <persia> But I don't believe it's free.
[04:09] <DanaG> Price, or source?
[04:09] <persia> Both.
[04:10] <DanaG> Dang, that sucks.
[04:10] <persia> It's very definitely not free-as-in-speech, but I think it's also not free-as-in-beer.
[04:10] <persia> Consider it an incentive to 1) improve gnash or 2) not use flash formats.
[04:11] <DanaG> Right.  Flash sucks -- that's not news on any platform.
[10:07] <hrw> morning
[10:23] <XorA> hey hrw
[10:24] <hrw> XorA: you had a problem to discuss
[10:25] <XorA> hrw: touchscreen with Xorg, I beleive you did some work on making them just work (tm)
[10:26] <hrw> what is a problem?
[10:31] <XorA> hrw: the fact by default Xorg thinks they are touchpads
[10:31] <hrw> never had such problem
[10:32] <hrw> or moment...
[10:32] <XorA> ah you never ran Angstrom without the nasty hack?
[10:32] <hrw> show me modalias of it?
[10:32] <XorA> hrw: I would if I knew how :-)
[10:33] <hrw> XorA: cat `find /sys/class/input/eventX -name modalias`
[10:33] <hrw> "input:*-e0*,3,*a0,1,*18,*" is regexp for touchscreen usually
[10:34] <XorA> input:b0000v0000p0000e0000-e0,1,3,k102,14A,ra0,1,10,11,18,1C,30,32,35,36,mlsfw
[10:35] <hrw> looks like ts for udev
[10:35] <hrw> tslib works with it?
[10:36] <XorA> hrw: yes in Angstrom
[10:36] <XorA> ah lack of tslib in default lucid might not help
[10:42] <hrw> try evdev driver in angstrom first
[10:44] <XorA> well thats a secondary task, I need to get back to what Im supposed to be doing :-)
[10:46] <ogra> tslib is available in ubuntu ... just not in any default install
[10:46] <XorA> ogra: is what I just said
[10:46] <ogra> you should be able to just install it (though it might miss config or patches for your specific board)
[10:48]  * XorA is always wondering if evdev should just learn about touchscreens
[10:49]  * ogra tries out the begale netinst image ...
[10:49] <XorA> tslib seems a bit pointless on modern kernels
[10:49] <ogra> XorA, it knows about them
[10:49] <ogra> XorA, but it ignores all that dont use the usbtouchscreen kernel driver
[10:49] <XorA> ogra: which is stupid
[10:49] <ogra> so make your LCD use that driver and it will work
[10:49] <XorA> most touchscreens not being USB
[10:50] <hrw> ogra: no shit
[10:50] <ogra> well, most new ones in the x86 world are
[10:50] <hrw> ogra: I have Atmel devboard which is fine with evdev driver
[10:50] <XorA> x86 is probably >1% of touchscreen market
[10:50] <ogra> and indeed development is focused in these shiny new touchscreen convertible x86 laptops :P
[10:50] <hrw> bug 2.0 will work with evdev driver rather then with tslib one too
[10:51] <XorA> hrw: in OE?
[10:51] <XorA> hrw: so we can steal the magic
[10:51] <ogra> the kernel driver needs to export some specifics (i forgot which) so evdev picks it up
[10:51] <hrw> XorA: at91sam9263ek
[10:52] <XorA> but its very unlikely usb touch will ever take off in arm world
[10:52] <hrw> XorA: basically write xorg.conf part for input device with driver 'evdev'
[10:52] <XorA> hrw: the trick is to do it without an xorg.conf
[10:52] <XorA> hrw: which means udev magic
[10:52] <hrw> XorA: and then check does it work. you can be forced to swap axes (option for evdev driver)
[10:52] <hrw> XorA: first test does it work at all with evdev
[10:53] <hrw> XorA: otherwise you will lose time
[10:53] <XorA> it works as a touchpad
[10:53] <hrw> XorA: ok
[10:53] <hrw> relative not absolute position?
[10:53] <ogra> XorA, well, its just some flags the kernel needs to set ... i'm sure you can make other drivers work with evdev, its just that none but usbtouchscreen export the right stuff yet
[10:53] <XorA> so relative movements and no mouse clicks
[10:55] <hrw> XorA: check drivers/input/touchscreen/ads7846.c - at91sam9263ek uses it
[10:55] <hrw> iirc
[10:56] <XorA> hrw: cool, will do
[11:10]  * ogra sits in excitement watching d-i installing on the beagle
[11:11] <hrw> C4?
[11:12] <ogra> yep
[11:12] <ogra> http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/lucid/main/installer-armel/current/images/omap/netboot/omap/
[11:13] <ogra> starting with that one
[11:13] <ogra> if it works i'll test -server
[11:13] <ogra> -desktop will need another image respin until it works
[11:43] <ndec>  ogra: hi! so i't s working better now?
[11:43] <ogra> ndec, it should be installable but hasnt been tested yet
[11:44] <ogra> i'm half way through
[11:44] <ogra> the bootloader stuff only entered the archive on friday and while all bits work they havent been tested inside the installer yet
[11:44] <hrw> ogra: does it support hub connected to OTG?
[11:45] <ogra> hrw, nope, amitk didnt manage to get proper testing from anyone with usable HW before kernel freeze
[11:46] <ogra> we'll surely push an SRU kernel poist release though, if we can get enough tests from users that have OTG cables with the shortened pins that patch might go in
[11:46] <amitk> hrw: do you have OTG HW?
[11:47] <amitk> I don't have access to the special cable nor do I have time to solder one until after release...
[11:48] <hrw> amitk: so far no luck with my cable
[11:56] <hrw> amitk: beagleboard C3 has a jumper near otg to force host anyway
[11:56] <ogra> C4 too ?
[11:57]  * ogra sees a jumper next to OTG on his C4
[11:57] <Sleep_Walker> hi, was anyone successful with kexec on 2.6.28-araneo?
[11:59] <hrw> ogra: that one
[11:59] <ogra> well, i might try it later then
[11:59] <ogra> i cant risk to damage the board before all images are 100% sure to work
[11:59] <amitk> hrw: good to know, now I only need a mini-to-mini cable
[12:00] <ogra> but i have proper mini-> normal adapters to actually do the testing if OTG switching works
[12:00] <hrw> amitk: you need usbA<>usbA female-female adapter
[12:01] <hrw> btw - how many of you go to UDS?
[12:01]  * lool is considering it
[12:02] <ogra> heh
[12:02]  * ogra wonders if we'll all be europeans there ... arriving by train or car this time round
[12:02] <ogra> given the flight situation
[12:02] <lool> hrw: FYI https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-M/Attendees and https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-m/ have some lists of people too
[12:03] <hrw> I know
[12:03] <hrw> got mail from Alice about it
[12:03] <amitk> hrw: all of us?
[12:03] <amitk> (assuming the volcano is doused by some water)
[12:03] <ogra> amitk, well, take a ferry :P
[12:04] <amitk> ogra: actually not a bad idea. I've got a ferry to Rostok...
[12:04] <hrw> ogra: I hope for plain - 12h in 2 trains is a bit too much
[12:05] <ogra> amitk, yeah, rostock->bruxelles might make a nice train ride ... though all german trains are painfully full atm
[12:05] <ogra> hrw, especially when sitting on your suitcase for the whole ride :)
[12:05] <lool> ogra: rootstock -> bruxelles!!
[12:06] <ogra> hahaha
[12:06] <lool> Build a rootfs while taking the train
[12:06] <ogra> i would be feared the hang inpacts the train though :)
[12:06] <ogra> *fearing
[12:06] <ogra> *impacts
[12:06] <hrw> ogra: please... I once returned from London with having to stay still in overloaded night bus for 5h
[12:06] <ogra> sigh, i need new fingers !!
[12:07] <hrw> lool: to build rootfs in train power outlets are needed ;(
[12:07] <ogra> hrw, all german trains have them
[12:07] <amitk> what good is a train w/o power outlets...
[12:07] <ogra> yeah
[12:08] <ogra> some even have WLAN but not all of them yet
[12:08] <hrw> amitk: come to Poland - here trains even have some power outlets but I would not put anything other then multimeter there
[12:09] <asac> ogra: on ICEs you dont have power everywhere ... just by coincident from my experience on some seats
[12:10] <ogra> asac, all ICEs have power between the seats
[12:10] <ogra> i havent seen one without ever
[12:10] <asac> i have ;)
[12:10] <ogra> so everybody cross your fingers ...
[12:11] <ogra> beagle d-i install finished without errors ... pray it boots !
[12:13] <ogra> hmm, it boots but / is mounted ro
[12:14] <ogra> sigh
[12:15] <ogra> ext4 fs errors
[12:18] <ogra> ogra@beagle:~$ lsb_release -a
[12:18] <ogra> No LSB modules are available.
[12:18] <ogra> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[12:18] <ogra> Description:	Ubuntu lucid (development branch)
[12:18] <ogra> Release:	10.04
[12:18] <ogra> Codename:	lucid
[12:18] <ogra> wohoo
[12:19] <ogra> though i had to do two manual fsck's
[12:19] <ogra> not sure thats the kernel or my USB key
[12:19]  * ogra repeats the install and installs to SD this time
[12:20] <Sleep_Walker> amitk: sorry to disturb you directly - is kexec on 2.6.28-araneo broken somehow?
[12:21] <Sleep_Walker> amitk: or - do you know, who is aware of that?
[12:22] <andruk> im trying to get the mcspi4 controller working on my beagleboard using the kernel sources here: https://code.launchpad.net/~beagleboard-kernel/2.6-stable/   but, i dont know which files to edit, as there looks to be many ways to implement spi.  should i just set the pinmux (arch/arm/mach-omap2/mux.c), or should i setup spidev (arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-omap3beagle.c)?
[12:25] <ogra> ndec, so http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/lucid/main/installer-armel/current/images/omap/netboot/omap/ definately works ... (you need a NIC thats supported by the ubuntu kernel, i use an asix here ... create a vfat on SD, put the three files on it and just boot into the installer)
[12:25] <ndec> ogra: thx. this is cool!
[12:25] <ogra> install took about 1h here
[12:26] <ndec> ogra: install on SD ?
[12:26] <ogra> but pulls everything from network so speed varies based on net connection
[12:26] <ogra> my test install was to USB key, but SD is supposed to work too, i'm testing that now
[12:26] <amitk> Sleep_Walker: I am not working on araneo, please talk to AceLan in #ubuntu-kernel
[12:26] <ndec> ogra: where on SD. you need to create a separate partition first?
[12:27] <ogra> ndec, no, the netboot installer lives in ram after boot, you can just wipe the media you just booted from ;)
[12:27] <ogra> it actually offers you the mmc in the partitioner
[12:27] <ndec> ogra: this is great. where do you put the uImage?
[12:28] <ogra> ndec, you mean after install ?
[12:28] <ndec> ogra: yes. so that it finds it after reboot
[12:28] <ogra> ndec, it turned out to be easier to overwrite NAND for now, so initrd and kernel live in NAND
[12:28] <Sleep_Walker> amitk: thank you!
[12:29] <ndec> ogra: K. i see. so when kernel is updated it goes to NAND as well. is it possible to keep a FAT boot partition for kernel ?
[12:29] <ogra> ndec, we surely need to revisit that for 10.n+ but time was very short to get anything going
[12:30] <ndec> ogra: yes, for sure. we might have boards without NAND as well!
[12:30] <ogra> ndec, as i said we have to come up with something, /boot on fat isnt possible in itself since dpkg tries to create hardlinks during package upgrades for the vmlinuz file, what we will likely do is to have a /boot/uboot partition that we treat like flash ors something similar in later releases
[12:31] <ogra> ndec, or better something thats mounted during flash-kernel phase or some such, i discussed several models with lool last week, for beagle C4 the NAND variant is the best one for now
[12:32] <ogra> s/mounted/mounted temporary/
[12:32] <ogra> and especially for the short time i had to create an image it was the only achievalbe thing
[12:32] <ogra> *achievable
[12:33] <ogra> all future images can change and there is a lot room for improvement :)
[12:44] <ndec> ogra: ok. we can talk on that after 10.04
[12:45] <ogra> ndec, yes, we have to
[12:46] <ogra> its on my list for things we will have to improve
[12:46] <ndec> ogra: and we want to as well ;-)
[12:46] <ogra> yeah :)
[12:47]  * ogra goes for a coffebreak, install to SD is a lot slower
[13:43] <XorA> amitk: I have OTG cables that are known to work
[13:45] <amitk> XorA: I'll push out a kernel with OTG enabled for your testing pleasure (probably tomorrow after some release-related work)
[13:46]  * XorA has zero omap3 devices with EHCI ports
[13:47] <hrw> XorA: no C2-4 beagleboard even?
[13:47] <XorA> hrw: C3 EHCI is broken :-(
[13:47] <hrw> ok
[13:47] <XorA> hrw: it was working for about an hour, then it just died and works no longer
[13:56] <hrw> welcome in cruel omap3 world
[13:56]  * hrw -> out
[14:00] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/BeagleNetInstall
[14:00] <ogra> everybody: feel free to enhance :)
[14:06] <Kamondelious> I just finished following this with pretty good success (so far) http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu
[14:07] <Kamondelious> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/BeagleNetInstall seems like a better place to have good docs though
[14:07] <ogra> well, one is community built, one is using an official ubuntu image
[14:07] <Kamondelious> I understand that
[14:08] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/BeagleNetInstall is for the image we will release with ubuntu arm this month
[14:08] <Kamondelious> just thinking might be a good place to help with adding to the official docs initially
[14:08] <Kamondelious> cool
[14:09] <ogra> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu is definately more flexible and uses its own kernels which might have additional features over the ubuntu kernel though
[14:10] <ogra> we will also have a netbook and a server installation image
[14:10] <Kamondelious> cool
[14:14] <Kamondelious> I'll be following the arm progress for sure
[14:15] <Kamondelious> my beagleboard needs an OS and I'd prefer to keep with something familiar  ;)
[14:15] <ogra> thats why we build the images :)
[14:15] <Kamondelious> indeed
[14:20] <ogra> yay
[14:20] <ogra> so install to SD works as well
[14:21] <ogra> amitk, i see an opps, seems OTG related
[14:21] <ogra> ogra@beagleC4:~$ lsb_release -a
[14:21] <ogra> No LSB modules are available.
[14:21] <ogra> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[14:21] <ogra> Description:	Ubuntu lucid (development branch)
[14:21] <ogra> Release:	10.04
[14:21] <ogra> Codename:	lucid
[14:22] <ogra> :D
[14:22] <ogra> ogra@beagleC4:~$ mount |grep 'on / '
[14:22] <ogra> /dev/mmcblk0p1 on / type ext4 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[14:22] <ogra> \o/
[14:24] <Kamondelious> sweet
[14:27]  * ogra files bug 566639
[14:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 566639 in apt-setup (Ubuntu) "omap install ends up with security.ubuntu.com urls in sources.list after install (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/566639
[14:29] <ogra> plars, GrueMaster ^^^ can you check if thats also the case under imx51/dove ?
[14:36] <plars> ogra: the imx51 install I did on Friday did not have security.ubuntu.com
[14:37] <ogra> plars, cool, can you comment on the bug that you dont see it on imx51 ?
[14:37] <ogra> amitk, bug 566645 for you
[14:37] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 566645 in linux-ti-omap (Ubuntu) "doing a netinstall to SD card results in OTG related oops on first boot (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/566645
[14:37] <plars> ogra: will do
[14:38] <ogra> thanks :)
[14:38] <ogra> plars, also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/BeagleNetInstall ... happy installing :)
[14:38] <plars> ogra: woo!
[14:40]  * ogra goes to test the server image now
[14:40] <ogra> -netbook still needs a respin with the latest ubiquity
[14:44] <hrw> re
[14:46] <hrw> 7Mbps usb ethernet suxx
[17:10] <prpplague> there an easy way to configure the auto mount to not open a window on the desktop every time it automounts a device?
[17:19] <dmart> prpplague: yes, though there's no user-friendly menu config option for it.  Instead, run gconf-editor, and disable apps -> nautilus -> preferences -> media_automount_open
[17:19] <ogra> ugh
[17:20] <ogra> indeed there is a config option for it
[17:20] <ogra> its in the nautilus preferences
[17:20] <dmart> Really? Oh well, do that then :)
[17:20] <prpplague> dmart: thanks
[17:20]  * prpplague tries that
[17:20] <ogra> just open a nautilus window ... edit->preferences ...
[17:20] <ogra> in the devices tab
[17:21] <prpplague> ogra: hmm, i don't see a devices tab
[17:21] <ogra> might be called differently, german installation here :)
[17:22] <ogra> prpplague, you are on lucid, right ?
[17:22] <dmart> There's Media -> "Browse media when inserted" which is probably what prpplague wants
[17:22] <ogra> media, yeah
[17:22] <prpplague> ahh found it
[17:22] <dmart> I often want to disable automount completely, which you can only do through gconf-editor :/
[17:22]  * prpplague tests
[17:22] <ogra> there is also "dont perform any action ..." here
[17:22] <prpplague> dmart: yea i hate auto mount
[17:22]  * ogra loves it
[17:23] <ogra> i rely on it for all my SD stuff
[17:23] <dmart> Depends what you're trying to do :)
[17:23] <ogra> lets you get very lazy though
[17:23] <prpplague> and eject doesn't seem to work as expected in ubuntu
[17:23] <ogra> ??
[17:23] <ogra> it removes the device
[17:23] <ogra> its a kernel feature
[17:24] <ogra> there is a separate unmount function in the context menu if you want to keep the device node of an USB device
[17:25] <prpplague> ogra: yea, normally i would expect that if you have /dev/sdb1 and /dev/sdb2 mount, you could issue the command: eject /dev/sdb and it would unmount /dev/sdb1 and /dev/sdb2 and eject the removable device
[17:25] <ogra> ah
[17:25] <prpplague> ogra: on ubuntu it fails
[17:25] <dmart> Was eject ever that clever?
[17:25] <ogra> well, there were some upstream kernel changes in that area, not sure thats ubuntu specific
[17:25] <prpplague> dmart: works fine on fedora and debian
[17:26] <dmart> ok then
[17:26] <ogra> it definately removes all device nodes if you klick the little eject thingie in nautilus
[17:27] <hrw> have a nice rest of day
[17:27] <prpplague> hrw: later
[17:27] <prpplague> ogra: i'll have to dig into that, possible the syntax has changed
[17:27]  * ogra goes back to TV to watch snooker champoinship while the beagle server install runs ... watching d-i work is tiring
[17:30] <prpplague> ogra: fun fun, thanks for the info
[17:30] <prpplague> dmart: you too
[17:58] <ogra> ndec, hmm, smells like there are additional changes in the omapbf package needed
[17:58] <ogra> *omapfb
[17:58] <ogra> your log definately shows that the loading works correctly
[18:45] <rcn-ee> laughs, flash-kernel works a little too great... but the omap kernel works good on my Bx beagle..
[18:58] <ogra> ok, server install on beagle works fine as well !
[18:58] <ogra> \o/
[18:59] <ogra> two happy images already
[18:59] <rcn-ee> sounds great ogra.. ;)
[18:59] <ogra> rcn-ee, what dont you like about flash-kernel ?
[19:00] <rcn-ee> laughs, it's overriding my external kernel.. ;)  I'm trying to add a /etc/flash-kernel.conf override shortly after debian-install creates the partition.. ;)
[19:00] <ogra>  /etc/flash-kernel.conf isnt used
[19:01] <rcn-ee> But i discovered the omap kernel works great on a Bx, otg/dvi etc..
[19:01] <ogra> edit /etc/kernel-img.conf or flash-kernel itself
[19:01] <rcn-ee> yeah, that one.. sorry was looking at both...
[19:01] <ogra> or even uninstall flash-kernel
[19:02] <ogra> since you would also have to edit update-initramfs otherwise
[19:02] <rcn-ee> i have it echo "you are using the community kernel, remove this file to use ubuntu's" then it calles exit, which works...
[19:02] <ogra> safest is to just apt-get remove it
[19:02] <rcn-ee> Yeah, that would be the safest.. Except i decided to hack into the NetInstall... ;)
[19:03] <ogra> ah, heh
[19:03] <rcn-ee> ps: i put your wiki link here: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#NetInstall so you shoudl get more users, i didn't know what else to put other then the http link...
[19:04] <ogra> awesome, thanks !
[19:04] <ogra> i'll also blog about it once i have all images tested
[19:04] <ogra> though netbook is still building and its my turn with cooking today
[19:05] <rcn-ee> that's going to be a fun week, I'll be in esc so i'm going to miss all the thursday/friday release fun..
[19:05] <ogra> so i'll call it a day now ...
[19:05]  * ogra has to cook a trout ... never done that ... will be intresting
[19:07] <Martyn> Hey, ogra (or anyone else) .. who made a server armel image?
[19:07] <Martyn> where is it hiding?
[19:08] <Martyn> (I'm sitting in an office with Rob and Dustin)
[19:10] <rcn-ee> I don't know if he uploaded it yet, he used the NetInstall methiod..
[19:13] <ogra_cmpc> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/ports/daily/current/
[19:16] <Martyn> thanks for the link
[21:35] <chrismurf> I'm new to ARM development.  I have a proprietary library (camera driver) that "has EABI version 0" and I am trying to compile it with an "EABI version 4" toolchain.  Or at least I think that's what my console is telling me.  Can somebody point me in the right direction on what it means and how to resolve this?
[21:39] <XorA> I think its more likely its an OABI binary
[21:40] <chrismurf> entirely possible - can you give me the short version of what that means?
[21:40] <chrismurf> how I could determine that?
[21:43] <chrismurf> I guess what I'm trying to determine is which of the following is true:
[21:43] <chrismurf>  * I can "wrap" the proprietary library somehow and link it against other code.
[21:43] <chrismurf>  * I could install an older version of linux/compilers/etc. and make everything the same version as the library.
[21:43] <chrismurf>  * I'm up a creek unless I can get a different version of the library.
[21:50] <XorA> chrismurf: up the creek is the safest estimation, you can make an OABI chroot, but that depends on ubuntu kernel fully working with OABI
[21:51] <chrismurf> XorA, what if I went back several versions of ubuntu/debian/whatever?  I'm happy to do that if it would fix the problem.
[21:51] <XorA> we had similar issues with GPS chip in OpenMoko and it was always pain
[21:51] <chrismurf> or does Cortex-A8 mandate the EABI?
[21:51] <XorA> chrismurf: pre armel version of debian should work
[21:51] <chrismurf> okay
[21:51] <chrismurf> and I'll just see decreased floating point performance and what have you
[21:51] <XorA> chrismurf: the main issue is no-one is doing it so support rapidly rots
[21:51] <chrismurf> duly noted
[21:52] <chrismurf> the evils of proprietary libraries
[21:52] <chrismurf> sadly sometimes we don't have choices in these matters
[21:52] <XorA> could try sending ubuntu dudes to chat with the vendor
[21:52] <chrismurf> we just shot the vendor an email
[21:52] <chrismurf> they've been decent folks in the past, maybe we'll get lucky
[21:53] <chrismurf> suspect they just haven't had call for a recent ARM version
[21:53] <XorA> Ubuntu is the current buzzword for PHB so just mentioning their stuff doesnt work might be enough
[21:54] <chrismurf> duly noted ;-)
[22:14] <Martyn> re
[22:15] <Martyn> After meeting with Dustin and Rob, we've got a good idea now for what blueprints Smooth-stone will be working on for UDS-M
[22:26] <axisys> anyone run ubuntu on dockstar ? it is an arm chip
[22:26] <axisys> http://ahsoftware.de/dockstar/
[22:32] <axisys> it says you can install ubuntu .. but not in much details
[22:32] <axisys> http://ahsoftware.de/dockstar/
[22:41] <axisys> this page says debian does not support seagate freeagent dockstar
[22:41] <axisys> http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/plugs.html
[22:41] <axisys> is that mean ubuntu arm won't compile in here ?
[22:53] <Martyn> axisys:  Ubuntu Lucid ( and M ) will not work on the sheeva based device
[22:54] <Martyn> because sheeva is arm version 5 code, and lucid/M are compiled thumb2 which requires arm version 7 code
[22:54] <Martyn> you can, however, use debian if you like\
[23:05] <DanaG> Dang.
[23:48] <axisys> how about karmic ? will sheeva based devices work with karmic ?
[23:49] <rcn-ee> nope karmic is armv6
[23:50] <axisys> looks like jaunty will work
[23:50] <axisys> armv5t
[23:54] <tormod> the sheeva is shipped with Jaunty isn't it
[23:55] <persia> Kinda.  It's shipped with a custom derivative of jaunty.
[23:59] <axisys> tormod: oh ok
[23:59] <axisys> persia: thanks


[05:50] <codemaniac> j #ubuntuforums
[07:27] <AL13N> does anyone know the mysql maintainer and is he on IRC?
[10:44] <jml> jml@grace:~$ sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[10:44] <jml> Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[10:44] <jml> No new release found
[10:45] <jml> never mind.
[15:13]  * SpamapS \o/'s as uploads start flowing in to the archive again :)
[15:13]  * SpamapS /o\'s as he realizes he hasn't showered yet today
[15:17] <penguin42> then please put those armpits away
[15:24] <jokerdino> hey guys. if i want to suggest a quicklist for gnote, how do i proceed?
[15:25] <penguin42> jokerdino: it's probably best to ask upstream at gnote's bug tracker/forum
[15:25] <jokerdino> right then. patches aren't prefered in ubuntu?
[15:26] <penguin42> jokerdino: it's normally best to do stuff upstream unless it's fixing an ubuntu specific bug or integrating it in some ubuntu thing (like unity etc)
[15:27] <jokerdino> well, quicklist is unity integration but i'll go with upstream.
[15:27] <penguin42> oh hang on, then I didn't realise that - I'm not a unity user
[15:28] <jokerdino> right. thanks
[15:28] <penguin42> jokerdino: if it's a unityism then it might be best to be local - but ask a unity guy
[15:28] <jokerdino> hm
[15:56] <cjwatson> SpamapS: yeah, we tested the uploader and publisher on the new machine but (at least I) fell asleep before making sure that the cron jobs had actually been enabled :)
[15:59] <SpamapS> cjwatson: "Is it plugged in? Is it turned on?" -- The two first questions of all I.T. responses. :)
[15:59] <cjwatson> and it took a day or so before anyone complained anywhere I saw ...
[15:59] <cjwatson> that's weekends for you I suppose
[16:00] <Laney> well, people probably expected reduced service due to the move
[16:00] <Laney> at least that's why I only complained quietly
[16:03] <xnox> well, some package-importer branches are out of date, and it doesn't have them as pending/failed either
[16:04] <cjwatson> that one's nothing I know of - try #launchpad-ops internal
[16:08] <SpamapS> Yeah I did not complain because I figured it was part of the DC move
[16:52] <penguin42> anyone else seeing problems with backtraces showing sprintf missing the buffer parameter?
[16:56] <penguin42> wow - I've just found a Y2K bug - bit late, but hey....
[17:01] <penguin42> TToTD struct tm's tm_year is 'number of years since 1900' so is currently 112, and if you print that into a buffer that only has 2 chars you get an overflow
[17:06] <SpamapS> penguin42: y2k bugs are now y3k bugs ;)
[17:06] <SpamapS> penguin42: or, optionally, y2100 bugs
[17:08] <penguin42> SpamapS: No - this package has been broken for the last 12 years!
[17:08] <penguin42> well, might have only been crashing since we turned stack smashing detection on
[17:10] <micahg> penguin42: I think that's been on for about 2 years now
[17:10] <penguin42> yeh, looks like it was fixed upstream a year or two ago
[17:11] <penguin42> bug 771589
[17:11] <penguin42> hmm food
[18:03] <qdb> i want to read some info, explanation, about that update works other way in 12.04. sometimes it looks like it updates in background. it lock install process, several processes work, even if update manager is closed
[18:15] <green7> does any one know how can I change keyboard mapping in ubuntu?
[18:24] <micahg> green7: support for quantal in #ubuntu+1, any other release in #ubuntu
[18:58] <penguin42> why is gcc-4.4 still in quantal?
[18:59] <slangasek> tjaalton: it appears that the current mesa in quantal FTBFS with the current libdrm in same... are you aware of this?  Is this getting fixed soon?
[19:04] <micahg> penguin42: it's still in Debian
[19:05] <penguin42> micahg: Ah, I see - hmm, does anything still build depend on it?
[19:05] <micahg> penguin42: yes
[19:05] <penguin42> oh dear
[20:33] <tjaalton> slangasek: no didn't know about it. a new mesa is being prepared though and should be ready before FF


[17:28] <vdrey> ahhh
[17:28] <Benjamin__> http://www.pastebin.ca/3073509
[17:28] <tgm4883> !register | Benjamin__
[17:29] <Benjamin__> says cannot join while banned on channel
[17:29] <Benjamin__> haven't been on irc for years...
[17:30] <nrml1> wow just looked at landscape... $$$$$
[17:30] <ioria> Benjamin__, gcc --version ?
[17:30] <tgm4883> nrml1: yep, it's kinda spendy
[17:31] <Benjamin__> [root@pitus openvpn-2.3.7]# gcc --version
[17:31] <Benjamin__> -bash: gcc: command not found
[17:31] <nrml1> good god, how does anyone afford it?
[17:32] <tgm4883> nrml1: when I looked, it wasn't that expensive compared to similar products
[17:32] <vdrey> nrml1 Afford what?
[17:32] <tgm4883> vdrey: landscape
[17:32] <ioria> Benjamin__, maybe you don't have gcc installed ...  ubuntu 15 ?
[17:32] <vdrey> ahhh
[17:32] <vdrey> thanks
[17:33] <Benjamin__> ioria: server is running centos 6.5 i386
[17:33] <Benjamin__> just did fresh install
[17:33] <nrml1> thats nuts
[17:33] <nrml1> I realize its an involved and time consuming thing to develop, but geez
[17:33] <ioria> Benjamin__, you have to install gcc, g++ and other on your server then
[17:34] <nrml1> I'd love to get a sample of who their customers are
[17:34] <sl1rpy> does anyone know how to record the desktop in ubuntu 15.04 without the windows being distorted?
[17:34] <sl1rpy> in the recorded video
[17:34] <tgm4883> nrml1: what is your use case?
[17:34] <vdrey> I just looked at the price......wow......
[17:34] <tgm4883> where are you guys looking at the price?
[17:34] <nrml1> tgm4883: management of a large cluster of ubuntu servers
[17:35] <nrml1> like 100+
[17:35] <tgm4883> nrml1: where are you seeing a price, I had to request a quote, but that was awhile ago
[17:35] <vdrey> tgm4883 http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud/plans-and-pricing
[17:36] <nrml1> yeah its part of their management thing
[17:36] <vdrey> Not landscape specifically, but other management things... $75k/year for up to 100 nodes
[17:37] <tgm4883> vdrey: nrml1 are you running openstack?
[17:37] <nrml1> it seems really beefy, but man
[17:37] <tgm4883> vdrey: because if not, then that's not the pricing I got for 100 nodes
[17:37] <Benjamin__> no idea how to install gcc... it says c is missling and cl.exe also...
[17:37] <vdrey> Yeah, its for openstack
[17:37] <Pici> Benjamin__: install the build-essential metapackage.
[17:38] <nrml1> tgm4883: not yet, I'm just trying to find out the best, most cost effective way to do it still
[17:38] <Benjamin__> Pici: how?
[17:38] <Pici> Benjamin__: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[17:39] <tgm4883> nrml1: I wasn't looking at openstack (we've got vmware internally), so I was just looking for landscape cost for servers
[17:39] <Benjamin__> Pici: i'm running centos 6.5
[17:39] <Pici> Benjamin__: Then why are you asking in #ubuntu?
[17:39] <Benjamin__> Pici because i can't register with NickServ, so can't access linux channel or centos channel
[17:40] <Benjamin__> i'm in china and without the server working can't access my email
[17:40] <Pici> Benjamin__: That doesn't mean that #ubuntu is now on-topic for your questions.
[17:40] <Benjamin__> Pici: i didn't say it was but you asked my why
[17:40] <Benjamin__> me*
[17:40] <nrml1> I've actually never used openstack
[17:41] <vdrey> its 'fun'
[17:41] <nrml1> its just OS on the cloud?
[17:41] <vdrey> pretty much
[17:41] <tgm4883> nrml1: my understanging is it's local cloud, meaning rapid build and tear down of vms
[17:41] <nrml1> all of our systems are guests on UCS clusters
[17:42] <nrml1> ahh
[17:42] <nrml1> that would add another layer to our infrastructure that we probably dont want to deal with right now
[17:42] <nrml1> we have puppet+foreman for config right now
[17:42] <tgm4883> nrml1: that was kinda my thoughts as well, which is why we stayed with vmware. We also had windows machines to manage, so we went with puppet over landscape
[17:43] <Benjamin__> can u help me with one thing then, how do i register, what is the syntax
[17:43] <nrml1> tgm4883: yeah we're in the same boat
[17:43] <tgm4883> nrml1: we had puppet+foreman at my previous job, here we have puppet enterprise
[17:43] <tgm4883> Benjamin__: I already sent you the info on it
[17:43] <tgm4883> !register | Benjamin__
[17:44] <jazzzu>  /j #debian
[17:44] <nrml1> tgm4883: we're happy with foreman so far, it works well. just wish there was package management integration via puppet, that would be awesome.
[17:44] <Pici> Benjamin__: see /msg nickserv help register and http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup , more help available in #freenode
[17:45] <tgm4883> nrml1: Well there is, but I know what you mean
[17:45] <nrml1> tgm4883: so what do you use for package managament now?
[17:50] <tgm4883> nrml1: well now at work we use centos and redhat instead of ubuntu, so if we were to manage it network wide would use something like spacewalk
[17:51] <nrml1> oh gotcha ok
[17:51] <tgm4883> nrml1: before I left my previous job, we were looking at spacewalk a bit since it apparently also supports debian/ubuntu, but I left before we looked at that too hard
[17:51] <nrml1> I'll read up on it, thanks
[17:51] <tgm4883> nrml1: previously, we just had some puppet facts that let us know if a particualr machine had security updates that it needed to do
[18:00] <aethersis> hi, is there a tool for linux that'd let me test a HDD thoroughly? I want to test it for read/write operations sector by sector and get timings.
[18:03] <dodo_> film shpper america
[18:13] <linelevel> Hi, I'm running Ubuntu 14.04. The top menu bar and left shortcut/launcher bar have completely disappeared, but only on my main account (they show up on the Guest account). Restarting does not help. Any suggestions?
[18:13] <EriC^^> linelevel: try pressing ctrl+alt+t, then type dconf reset -f /org/compiz
[18:14] <EriC^^> also try typing ccsm and make sure that the unity plugin is enabled
[18:14] <maotora> hello, i have a quick question... I am using cmus to play my music in terminal and am wondering does it have some kind of visulizations??
[18:16] <linelevel> EriC^^: Ctrl+Alt+t does not work, and I'm not sure how to get to Terminal given that I don't have the launcher. I can Ctrl+Alt+F1 to get to tty1, but I cannot run your command from there (because X11 is not running in tty1). Any suggestions?
[18:16] <EriC^^> try typing DISPLAY=:0 ccsm
[18:17] <EriC^^> from tty1 while it's logged on in tty8
[18:17] <EriC^^> *tty7
[18:17] <EriC^^> also the dconf command
[18:23] <romanosaurius_re> hello. App armor question: I have a docker image that needs to access it's own processes io stats provided by /proc/{pid}/io but app armor is denying it. I used aa-complain to turn the rules into audit logs and was able, but tryed to add a rule to allow that and there is no way I'm getting it right.
[18:23] <linelevel> EriC^^: The former worked; it opened ccsm in tty7. I still have no way to run dconf though.
[18:23] <romanosaurius_re> is there some documentation other than the manpage that explains how to work around app armor configuration?
[18:24] <EriC^^> linelevel: is the unity plugin enabled?
[18:25] <linelevel> EriC^^: It wasn't. I just enabled it. It made me enable 7 dependencies as well.
[18:25] <linelevel> EriC^^: Rebooting now.
[18:25] <EriC^^> linelevel: ok, try to log in again
[18:26] <linelevel> EriC^^: Rebooted and logged in. No change in behavior.
[18:27] <azamrod> hello
[18:27] <azamrod> i am probleming whit Ubuntu 16.04
[18:27] <EriC^^> linelevel: ok, try rm -r ~/.compiz ~/.config/compiz-1
[18:27] <daftykins> azamrod: typo perhaps?
[18:27] <daftykins> 15.04?
[18:28] <drocsid> hi #ubuntu. How do I create an encrypted home without the Desktop CD? I am using ubuntu-server: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedHome
[18:28] <azamrod> if it is with Ubuntu 15.04
[18:28] <linelevel> EriC^^: Done. Now reboot?
[18:29] <EriC^^> linelevel: no, just try to login
[18:29] <EriC^^> type sudo service lightdm restart
[18:30] <lickalott_> can anyone tell me that the 3 values represent when changing touchpad sensitivity?   i.e. xinput --set-prop "ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad" "Synaptics Finger" 50 80 257
[18:30] <linelevel> EriC^^: Done. No change.
[18:31] <nbusrone> anyone can have a guide for find command manpage ? what is ( -type f -printf "%f\n" ) means ?
[18:31] <EriC^^> linelevel: try rm -r ~/.gconf
[18:32] <lickalott_> Synaptics Finger
[18:32] <lickalott_>               32 bit, 3 values, low, high, press.
[18:32] <lickalott_> what is low and high?  the X , Y values for where the touchpad is active when you try and use it?
[18:32] <cheetahw26> how can I add a crontab entry  with @reboot globally, i.e. in cron.d/<mycron>
[18:32] <Pici> nbusrone: look at the printf section of the find manpage, it explains what all the options are.  "%f  =  File's name with any leading directories removed (only the last element)."
[18:33] <cheetahw26> it seems to work if I use crontab -e  and add to a user's cron, but not system...
[18:33] <sorinello> Hello. How can I install the latest pidgin version ? I have Ubuntu 15.04, but my pidgin version is 2.10.9.
[18:33] <Matt_teni> get the ppa sorinello
[18:33] <linelevel> EriC^^: Done. Restarted lightdm and logged back in. No change.
[18:34] <sorinello> Matt_teni, the Pidgin Developers PPA is deprecated
[18:34] <Pici> cheetahw26: if you want to add something to /etc/cron.d/, you'll need to use sudo to make a new file there.
[18:34] <EriC^^> linelevel: yikes, try mv ~/.config ~/.config.old
[18:34] <sorinello> how come the latest version is not pushed into the official repos ?
[18:34] <lickalott_> nvm
[18:34] <daftykins> sorinello: someone has to package and test first, no?
[18:35] <cheetahw26> I have a file there, and all of the entries work, except I cannot use the @reboot command...
[18:35] <linelevel> EriC^^: That worked!
[18:35] <cheetahw26> or it seems the entry I have that is supposed to execute that doesn't get called at reboot
[18:35] <sorinello> daftykins, yes, well isn't the community doing that ?
[18:35] <EriC^^> linelevel: ok
[18:35] <Voyage_> my laptop LCD is broken, I need to get things urgently from my pc, I can ssh from another pc to it. I plan to attach an external LCD to VGA port and via ssh, change the display monitor in the settings> monitor of KDE. How can I do that?
[18:35] <daftykins> sorinello: not enough to go around evidently
[18:36] <cheetahw26> If I instead use crontab -e   and then add  @reboot <cmd>  it works fine, however I need to be able to do this programatically and cannot go to crontab -e on each device...
[18:36] <daftykins> Voyage_: err why not just rsync the whole lot over SSH? why do you need a GUI?
[18:36] <Voyage_> its in browser cache, I cant rsync that
[18:36] <Voyage_> nice suggestion though
[18:36] <EriC^^> linelevel: if you want copy the startup apps files with cp -r ~/.config.old/autostart ~/.config
[18:38] <daftykins> Voyage_: what's in browser cache o0
[18:38] <Voyage_> daftykins,  something important
[18:38] <nbusrone> Pici : Thanks :-) but how do I add an extra option to print out date modified or file size ? taken for example ( find /home -type f -printf "%f\n" |sort  > /home/test) ?
[18:38] <daftykins> ok be vague, get no responses :)
[18:39] <daftykins> could just SSH X forward your browser too
[18:39] <Voyage_> daftykins,  how
[18:39] <daftykins> ssh -X user@host
[18:39] <daftykins> 'firefox'
[18:39] <daftykins> no quotes, but just run it
[18:39] <Voyage_> thats it?
[18:39] <daftykins> yip
[18:39] <daftykins> penguin power \o/
[18:39] <EriC^^> cheetahw26: use (crontab -l; echo "something to add") | crontab
[18:40] <EriC^^> cheetahw26: it will add what you want to the user's crontab
[18:40] <philip_> who can kindly explain what strip size means
[18:40] <Pici> nbusrone: add %t or %A% or %s, etc.
[18:40] <cheetahw26> ok... I get an error in cron, bad command, seems like it doesn't like @reboot there
[18:40] <daftykins> philip_: stripe size, plenty of information about RAID online - essentially it's the chunk size of data per disk before the next member disk is read from
[18:41] <EriC^^> cheetahw26: if you type crontab -e and put @reboot something it doesn't like it?
[18:41] <daftykins> philip_: you might need to be more specific about the context of your question though
[18:41] <philip_> just a brief explaination of strip size what is it actually use for
[18:42] <daftykins> philip_: *stripe. and you have to give context, so did you mean RAID or something else?
[18:42] <OerHeks> !duckduckgo raid stripe
[18:43] <cheetahw26> thanks... checking now...
[18:43] <philip_> yes raid strip size ..
[18:44] <cheetahw26> No... crontab -e works fine with @reboot... but just adding that to a file in /etc/cron.d/myfile    does not work
[18:44] <cheetahw26> I just read that this may be a bug... but if the crontab -l command works I'm fine with putting it in root's account
[18:44] <daftykins> philip_: ok not really on topic here, this is OS support sorry.
[18:45] <sorinello> daftykins, so the only way is to build pidgin by myself ?
[18:45] <Pici> cheetahw26: did you include the username in your file within /etc/cron.d/ ?
[18:45] <cheetahw26> yep, that worked...
[18:45] <daftykins> sorinello: i don't know, have you hunted for PPAs?
[18:45] <philip_> just a brief explanation
[18:45] <cheetahw26> no, is that the proper syntax?  I read that it's just supposed to be:   @reboot <cmd>
[18:45] <sorinello> daftykins, yes, I found this.. https://launchpad.net/~pidgin-developers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa .. and states that is deprecated
[18:45] <cheetahw26> that does make sense though... how does cron know which user to run it as...
[18:46] <daftykins> sorinello: yeah i think launchpad ones are dead
[18:46] <daftykins> sorinello: i really meant active PPAs...
[18:46] <sorinello> daftykins, well if the Launchpad's are dead, you think there are others ?
[18:46] <daftykins> sorinello: i'm not going to google for you
[18:46] <cheetahw26> trying with '@reboot   root   /cmd'
[18:47] <sorinello> daftykins, I googleed, but I did not found anything. I usually google before asking here
[18:48] <daftykins> sorinello: game over then
[18:48] <daftykins> sauce it is.
[18:48] <daftykins> philip_: already done and no, off topic. sorry.
[18:49] <sorinello> daftykins, the most popular IM software and it's not been included into the official channels. I' m a little bit shocked.
[18:49] <cheetahw26> no... that didn't work...
[18:49] <cheetahw26> didn't even get an error message
[18:49] <EriC^^> what did you do?
[18:50] <daftykins> sorinello: most popular is highly inaccurate. also most protocols Pidgin supports are dying / easily handled elsewhere.
[18:50] <cheetahw26> added...  @reboot   root   /mycmd     to my /etc/cron.d/cronfile
[18:50] <EriC^^> cheetahw26: echo "@reboot root bla" | sudo tee /etc/cron.d/bla
[18:50] <sorinello> daftykins, yes, that's also true
[18:50] <cheetahw26> yeah, that's exactly what I did ...
[18:50] <EriC^^> yeah and cat /etc/cron.d/cronfile doesn't show it there?
[18:51] <cheetahw26> know... it shows... and then I rebooted, the cmd just never ran, and no errors in syslog
[18:51] <cheetahw26> I'm using 12.04  maybe a bug?
[18:51] <EriC^^> did you +x it?
[18:51] <EriC^^> nevermind
[18:52] <cheetahw26> yes... the cmd works fine...and actually the crontab entry works if I put it in root's account, i.e. (crontab -l; echo '@reboot /mycmd')|crontab
[18:52] <cheetahw26> that works... so even though it's not what I expected, it's functional...
[18:52] <EriC^^> cheetahw26: try to +x it maybe
[18:52] <EriC^^> the /etc/cron.daily are +x, maybe it needs a +x to work
[18:53] <cheetahw26> it is executable :)   I can run it manually with no problem as well... I just readded it and rebooted, and it's working fine
[18:53] <EriC^^> i have some in cron.d which aren't +x though, i dunno
[18:53] <EriC^^> try +x, it might work
[18:54] <cheetahw26> it has always had the executable bit  +x  for all users
[18:54] <EriC^^> anything in /var/log/syslog ?
[18:55] <Amoz> cheetahw26, sorry if I missed anything, but isn't crontab -e the preferred way?
[18:56] <disconnectedave2> anyone know how to change the permissions on an external harddrive?
[18:56] <nbusrone> Pici : Thanks for the guide , actually is there a 101 handbook for linux manpage on how to add those option command ? i am not good in understanding how to add certain option into a command .
[18:56] <EriC^^> cheetahw26: i think you need to run the command to install it
[18:56] <EriC^^> have a look at cat /etc/crontab it mentions something cheetahw26
[18:56] <Pici> nbusrone: not that I'm aware of, the manpage is pretty self-explanatory to me.
[18:56] <Voyage_> daftykins,  nothing different happened with -X
[18:57] <EriC^^> Unlike any other crontab you don't have to run the `crontab'command to install the new version when you edit this file and files in /etc/cron.d
[18:57] <EriC^^> cheetahw26: ^ from /etc/crontab
[18:57] <daftykins> Voyage_: no you connect with that first, then when you type "firefox" it runs firefox on the machine you're SSH'd to - but displays it on the one you're typing from
[18:58] <Novice01y> Hello. If I'll use "sudo fsck -l bad-blocks /dev/sdX" , then changes will be pernament also for other OSes that I will install in future on this machine?
[18:58] <wileee> disconnectedave2, At the type of partitions, ext or fat or ntfs, + a little cause and effect for the channel.
[18:58] <wileee> disconnected, At the least is my message.
[18:58] <EriC^^> cheetahw26: maybe you need to set the SHELL variable? in my /etc/cron.d file there's a SHELL and PATH variable
[18:59] <Voyage_> daftykins,  nice. how to open settings of kde?
[18:59] <nbusrone> Pici : but not for me as a beginner , maybe i'll try and read more on adding command option in terminal :) thanks for the guide :)
[18:59] <disconnectedave2> it is a ext4 500gb drive and when i try to mount it from clicking on it from a file manager i am unable to read/write files because "Permission denied"
[18:59] <daftykins> Voyage_: not gonna happen.
[19:00] <Voyage_> daftykins,  why?
[19:00] <Gisleh> When trying to use the propietary drivers (both with and without updates) on a 970, It gets stuck on "[OK] Starting ACPI event daemon..." on reboot. I set the driver in the Software & Updates program. I'm using ubuntu-gnome 14
[19:00] <daftykins> the way you're trying to go about that task is not correct
[19:00] <wileee> Novice01y, If you're having to mess with bad blocks, replace it, you have no idea when it will fail.
[19:00] <daftykins> Gisleh: check you don't have nomodeset in your kernel boot parameters
[19:01] <Gisleh> Thanks, I'll try that.
[19:03] <wileee> disconnectedave2, Anything on the HD now, did you build the partition or partitions, how is it mounted?
[19:04] <disconnectedave2> it is a single ext4 partion 60% full of music files I mounted it with pcmanfm i am able to read write if i am using a root program "sudo audacious" will let me play music
[19:05] <Voyage_> daftykins,   i used ssh -X  but the sys settings openned my settings page.  Actuall I want to change monitor view etc via config files, how can it be dnoe?
[19:05] <Gisleh> daftykins: Where do I find the file? I have only used arch previously, and ubuntu seems to have a different folder structure in /boot/
[19:05] <davidnsilveira> boa tarde
[19:05] <wileee> disconnected, Cool, check this out. ;) Read carefully and always be backed up. https://askubuntu.com/questions/158735/how-to-set-permissions-so-that-i-can-read-and-write-to-another-partition
[19:05] <wheeei> is there a risk when uninstalling a program with   'purge'  that it will remove something else important?
[19:06] <wileee> disconnectedave2, se that message above to disconnected,
[19:06] <wileee> see*
[19:06] <Dayber> if a lying to cnn
[19:06] <davidnsilveira> Ola, amigos, eu sou david, tenho Dificuldades de Instalação AWN linux 17 Rafaela, JA fiz de Tudo NÃO Consigo, gostaria Ajuda vcs CE, ok PODE postar na Minha Conta; davidnsilveira @ gmail, ok obrigado
[19:06] <Dayber> GOOD MORNING FOOTBALL! dolph72: so it, they keep saying a loaves him he was it? They stop buying at the natura in all sizes," she leading a cheese. yum. janay ricotta cake a been you? dolph72 thats a day.
[19:06] <Dayber> When she track arounds herself-defense. SHE SLAP.
[19:06] <Dayber> i this smoked 3 packs out you are your siste. lol @ dolph72 every photographer an inventual featured by the air. id grabbing thanksgiving Cause of beveryone knocks out of Death is banana nut bread. some.
[19:07] <wileee> wheeei, Way to vague, what is the app and end goal?
[19:07] <wheeei> wileee, I want to uninstall hhvm from a ubuntu14.04 server
[19:08] <wileee> wheeei, Not familiar with hhvm however any remove or purge shows hyou what is going on and a chance to yes or no, if you do not authorize with a -y in the command.
[19:09] <disconnectedave2> wheeei thanks ill try it and brb
[19:09] <wileee> you*
[19:09] <daftykins> Voyage_: probably creating something in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ which outlines your external display only. can't help you with that though
[19:10] <voltagex> is there any way to test cloud-init scripts before running them at all?
[19:10] <wileee> wheeei, This is in a terminal, you say server I'm assuming you have no desktop and are not using a gui.
[19:10] <wheeei> wileee, whats is generally the recommended way to uninstall a program? I have found a few different ones... should I runt them all?     Yes this is in terminal
[19:10] <wheeei> run*
[19:11] <Voyage_> daftykins, ~/.config$ ls -a
[19:11] <Voyage_> .  ..  akonadi  chromium  enchant  gtk-2.0  gtk-3.0  ibus  libreoffice  oxygen-gtk  pulse  Trolltech.conf  upstart  user-dirs.dirs  user-dirs.locale  vlc
[19:11] <wileee> wheeei, Really it is per removal, some apps are cleaned with a purge some are not completely, there are dependencies, so be careful trying to a one or two  etc fixall ideal system. ;)
[19:12] <disconnectedave2> wileee no luck :(
[19:12] <daftykins> Voyage_: please don't paste - plus none of that is of any use to me
[19:12] <wheeei> wileee, thats what I'm afraid of =/
[19:12] <wileee> disconnectedave2, And that answer is enough info for me?
[19:12] <wheeei> I think a simple remove is safe though
[19:12] <wheeei> I'll stay away from purge and autoremove for this one
[19:13] <wileee> wheeei, Depends on dependencies.
[19:13] <wileee> wheeei, THe cli tells you what is up always read it.
[19:13] <wheeei> alright, thanx
[19:14] <wileee> no prob
[19:15] <Cake-Chan> Am I alive?
[19:15] <daftykins> Cake-Chan: close
[19:15] <wileee> mmmm cake
[19:16] <Cake-Chan> Yes cake is tasty
[19:17]  * wileee dreams of gallons of butter cream frosting
[19:17] <daftykins> aaaaand back to support
[19:17] <daftykins> Cake-Chan: got an ubuntu support question?
[19:18] <Cake-Chan> no
[19:18] <Gisleh> Where do I disable nomodeset in ubuntu-gnome 14? I found no mention of it in /etc/default/grub and it did nothing to remove it in the /etc/grub.d-file with linux in the name.
[19:18] <daftykins> Cake-Chan: #ubuntu-offtopic would be better for you then
[19:18] <Cake-Chan> ok thanks
[19:18] <daftykins> Gisleh: well boot and pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:18] <wileee> Gisleh, Not there unless you put it there.
[19:18] <disconnectedave2> wileee thanks for the hint i figured it out
[19:19] <wileee> disconnectedave2, Good job, woot.
[19:19] <x4w3> Hi, i have tried all in my hands to run Tp-Link Archer T2UH AC 600 with module properly installed like "mt7601Usta" and with ndisgtk like hardware present:yes. I don't know what can i do more! xD i'm crazy with this wifi usb card! I must change it soon....
[19:20] <daftykins> x4w3: return it and buy another
[19:20] <daftykins> something more compatible
[19:21] <x4w3> daftykins: i cant return it, but i will borrow to someone needed :). Do u know a good comercial linux driver or a compatible wifi usb card with good power and dual mode?
[19:21] <wileee> x4w3, Hand fulls of plug and play usb wifi out there, with info on working in this OS or linux in general, cheap.
[19:22] <Gisleh> daftykins: http://pastebin.com/ezATT1NJ
[19:22] <wileee> never had one not work here
[19:22] <daftykins> x4w3: dual band? no
[19:22] <Gisleh> wileee: It's not there, then.
[19:22] <wileee> Gisleh, Should not be but follow daftykins request.
[19:23] <wileee> that is some good help in general
[19:23] <daftykins> Gisleh: i forget, did you say gnome?
[19:23] <x4w3> wifi usb disconnected and buying new one in amazon!
[19:23] <wileee> x4w3, Yeah, just search them with linux/ubuntu
[19:24] <Gisleh> daftykins: yeah.
[19:24] <x4w3> what do u think about this one for ubuntu? Alfa AWUS036NH 2.4 GHz…….Amazon.
[19:25] <daftykins> Gisleh: from what i understand nvidia drivers require lightdm to be used and i don't think gnome uses it?
[19:25] <wileee> x4w3, links?
[19:25] <x4w3> wileee: http://www.amazon.es/Alfa-AWUS036NHR-intercambiables-Omnidireccional-Wireless-N/dp/B005F0BP1I/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1437765904&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=Alfa+AWUSO36NH+High+Gain+USB+Wireless+G+%2F+N+Long-Rang+WiFi+Network+Adapter
[19:26] <daftykins> Gisleh: ah oddly i didn't have the complete log. can you run "sudo apt-get install pastebinit" then "dpkg -l | grep nvidia | pastebinit" ?
[19:26] <daftykins> Gisleh: also "lspci | pastebinit"
[19:26] <Gisleh> Sure, give me a moment.
[19:26] <Jeff__> can someone tell me why I need to define `chdir` in my upstart script - https://github.com/jeff1evesque/machine-learning/blob/c497daaa0d5c0deea943f22c10c78b870eb77ac4/puppet/manifests/compile_asset.pp#L51?
[19:26] <wileee> x4w3, Personally, it says linux compatible, however is it plug and play would be my research.
[19:27] <wileee> x4w3, Or easily drivers found or in the ubuntu repos.
[19:27] <x4w3> wileee: Realtek Chipset RTL8188RU. xD
[19:27] <OerHeks> Jeff__, the answer is in line #50
[19:28] <Jeff__> OerHeks: that was a guess - is the correct comment?
[19:28] <wileee> x4w3, run for the hills, I would not touch realtek myself, some works some is a real problem, again the research is needed.
[19:28] <Jeff__> * is that comment correct?
[19:28] <OerHeks> Jeff__, do you have a reason it is not?
[19:28] <OerHeks> Jeff__,  it is not my script to defend. just reading it
[19:29] <Gisleh> daftykins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11932055/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/11932060/
[19:29] <wileee> x4w3, So why the external?
[19:29] <x4w3> wileee: i dont know because is not a laptop, :)....
[19:30] <x4w3> x4w3: do u prefer pci?
[19:30] <Nono_> Hi. How can I adjust sound volume if there is no possibility to add applet in tray? I use Lubuntu.
[19:30] <NymeriaFr> Hello guys
[19:30] <x4w3> wileee: do u prefer pci?
[19:30] <daftykins> Gisleh: is this a desktop system?
[19:30] <Gisleh> Yeah.
[19:30] <wileee> x4w3, If this is a manufactures desktop you should have wifi onboard.
[19:31] <daftykins> Gisleh: enter the BIOS/EFI and check that you're set to use the PCI-E card only, seems to be keeping the intel and nvidia going at once right now which is causing confusion
[19:31] <wileee> x4w3, Look with lspci in the terminal
[19:32] <x4w3> wileee: i haven't wifi on board! only the ethernet. :(
[19:32] <wileee> x4w3, I'm not sure what pci is, no on board cool, just wondering, hope you're sure on this, rather strange really.
[19:33] <x4w3> wileee: i have MSI 970 Gaming mainboard plugged :)
[19:34] <wileee> x4w3, No idea what that is, but if you're sure that's all that matters. ;)
[19:35] <x4w3> wileee: don't worry, you're right i must change usb for pcie to add wifi network to a pc.
[19:36] <Gisleh> daftykins: Yup, that did the trick. Thanks for the help!
[19:36] <daftykins> Gisleh: np :)
[19:36] <Gisleh> Integrated and dedicated can't run at the same time?
[19:38] <daftykins> Gisleh: they can but with some manual intervention i think, it's probably freaking out because of no displays attached to the intel
[19:39] <Gisleh> Ah. I'm going to install Void Linux tomorrow on this computer to try VGA passthrough, so I'm probably going to have to deal with that then. This ubuntu install was on my brother's computer.
[19:40] <daftykins> as in to have a VM running Windows atop Linux to play games?
[19:41] <guest|58881> Hello, I have Gnome 3 as my desktop environment, and I was curious as to how I can disable a certain feature.
[19:41] <Gisleh> Yes, and Unity3D. Since my huge steam library is kind of anchoring me to Windows.
[19:42] <daftykins> guest|58881: ok my first guess as to which feature is to buy the letter 'e'
[19:42] <daftykins> Gisleh: mmm, well bear in mind running non-ubuntu = no support in here
[19:42] <guest|58881> Whenever I press F2, the search menu opens. No matter what the situation is. And I've been playing Garry's mod. And I need to press F2 sometimes. But instead of registering the function in the game, it opens the search menu on Gnome 3.......and doesn't register in game.
[19:42] <Gisleh> I'm very aware of that, I wasn't asking for support.
[19:43] <guest|58881> Is there any way to disable that feature that opens the search menu?
[19:43] <daftykins> Gisleh: nah i know, just warning ahead of time
[19:45] <slicepaperwords> is there a way to start a movie on vlc through SSH?
[19:45] <guest|58881> Anyone?  He lowerful thats a book a $5000 camera and block him watchini bread then for two cake in time. Joys of bevery I will be they soon.
[19:47] <daver> yah her men shes an athlete. lol.
[19:47] <daver> Cultural reaction this started men evented no making a lawn cheese cake more price spit first. hes dumb for learly how fat dise. yum. janay ricotta cakes for C.J. Anderson? lol.
[19:47] <daver> and baked.
[19:47] <cn28h> slicepaperwords: I'm not sure ssh is the right tool for that -- but I think vlc has a remote control interface (web based)
[19:47] <nicomachus> pretty bad AI there...
[19:48]  * AndroidHacker ok
[19:51] <guest|58881> Weird, I can not see that shortcut anywhere
[19:53] <Voyage_> Question: In kubuntu, how to change things by config files that are change via settings> monitor/display ?
[19:54] <stack12> anyone know what sets the keyboard brightness automaticially from the ambient light sensor? i want to disable that but not disable the sensor
[19:54] <Voyage_> which file controls the display/monitor?
[19:54] <daftykins> Voyage_: i already told you, creating one in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ for monitors
[19:54] <daftykins> read up on it
[19:55] <OerHeks> guest|58881, this page any help ?http://askubuntu.com/questions/76576/remapping-alt-f2-in-unity
[19:55] <wileee> Voyage_, Don't chase a wild goose, follow the help, it is good.
[19:56] <Voyage_> daftykins,  not in .kde/share/config$ ?
[19:56] <daftykins> Voyage_: why would you even say that
[19:56] <Voyage_> all settings are there for each user
[19:56] <Voyage_> daftykins,  hm ok let me go there /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
[19:57] <Voyage_> daftykins,  etc/X11$ ls
[19:57] <Voyage_> app-defaults  core  cursors  default-display-manager  fonts  rgb.txt  X  xinit  xkb  Xreset  Xreset.d  Xresources  Xsession  Xsession.d  Xsession.options  xsm  Xwrapper.config
[19:57] <Voyage_> what now?
[19:57] <guest|58881> No, I'm not talking baout the alt+F2 command which opens the command line, I'm talking about in Gnome 3.....how f2 opens the search menu
[19:58] <daftykins> Voyage_: so earlier when i said don't paste and i can't help you with that, you'll need to look it up...
[19:58] <Voyage_> what do you want me to look in?
[19:58] <wileee> guest|58881, Gnome shell, the fallback, gnome 3 is the base for several desktops including unity.
[19:59] <daftykins> Voyage_: no look it up online
[20:01] <OerHeks> maybe /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[20:04] <Voyage_> daftykins, http://pastie.org/10310361 found the file, which line do I need to change?
[20:04] <daftykins> how many times do i have to say i can't help you with it - look it up
[20:04] <daftykins> >_<
[20:05] <Voyage_> ok
[20:05] <Voyage_> thanks
[20:07] <Meerkat> i'd like to compile and install a package but when I build it there are dependencies missing. Are there instructions of how the native ubuntu packages are built?
[20:08] <daftykins> compilation is the last option, ensuring you couldn't find a package first. there should be instructions as to what dependencies are needed.
[20:09] <drocsid> I'm having trouble getting an encrypted home built in ubuntu 14.04
[20:09] <drocsid> https://gist.github.com/drocsid/3e4e8d00b68cd51011dd
[20:09] <aktx> why dont we compile everything? wouldnt it be optimized?
[20:09] <Voyage_> Question: In kubuntu, how to change things by config files that are change via settings> monitor/display ?++
[20:09] <daftykins> aktx: no. negligible gains.
[20:09] <Meerkat> daftykins, im going to do changes as well but I wanted to make sure the default code ran.
[20:10] <OerHeks> aktx, that was the old days, today you would gain 0.5% maybe
[20:14] <waykool99> why would the program BleachBit suddenly show up in the root menu as "Unnessesary File Cleaner"?
[20:14] <wileee> waykool99, lets see that, pic, text etc
[20:14] <ultragamecard> I have bleachbit
[20:15] <drocsid> The encyrpted home support seems to be broken in ubuntu 14.04
[20:15] <drocsid> https://gist.github.com/drocsid/3e4e8d00b68cd51011dd
[20:15] <waykool99> can't. i'm logged in as myself now.
[20:15] <OerHeks> waykool99, you can.. but you won't?
[20:16] <wileee> drocsid, Don't just make assumptions because you'e having issues, this is not bait the help.
[20:16] <waykool99> in my login, the Menus show as Bleach Bit
[20:19] <wileee> waykool99, so far you've not really given info usable, it makes no sense, give us some proof.
[20:19] <OerHeks> bleach bit CLEANS unnessesary files from you system, it says, not that it is unnessesary itself
[20:20] <OerHeks> which it is, imho
[20:20] <wileee> good point
[20:20] <waykool99> i'm searching hidden folders, one second...
[20:20] <drocsid> wileee: it is broken.. duh.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ecryptfs-utils/+bug/1328689
[20:20] <wileee> bleachbit is okay in it's vanilla state, start adding deletes and you can get into trouble
[20:21] <drocsid> been broken for more than a year.
[20:21] <waykool99> maybe the secret root user "john" changed it.
[20:21] <OerHeks> askjohn
[20:21] <mate_> hi
[20:23] <wileee> drocsid, Dude drop the attitude, that has barely a handful of reports, that is not proof of anything in the end, ask your self why no one is responding to you.
[20:23] <reisio> 'lo mate
[20:23] <daftykins> also 14.04.1 is old
[20:24] <drocsid> wileee: don't need your help. 14.04 is LTS.
[20:24] <wileee> drocsid, Since you seem to have a little chip on your shoulder read this. http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[20:25] <drocsid> wileee: no
[20:25] <daftykins> trolls gonna troll
[20:26] <ultragamecard> haha love catb.org
[20:26] <OerHeks> drocsid, so does that bug still exists in 14.04.2 ???
[20:26] <reisio> ultragamecard: http://maddox.xmission.com/
[20:27] <drocsid> OerHeks: yes, see https://gist.github.com/drocsid/3e8d00b68cd51011dd
[20:28] <ultragamecard> reisio: what?
[20:28] <daftykins> drocsid: 404
[20:31] <drocsid> daftykins: must be a github issue. I can see it in my browser. https://gist.github.com/3e4e8d00b68cd51011dd.git
[20:32] <daftykins> well you edited it now
[20:32] <daftykins> and still 404
[20:32] <daftykins> drocsid: show some respect to our fellow volunteers if you want assistance in here though.
[20:33] <OerHeks> paste on paste.ubuntu.com
[20:33] <drocsid> no, I just provided the git link instead of the html link
[20:33] <OerHeks> drocsid, 404 here, do better
[20:33] <drocsid> but anyhow, I will attach to the bug report. Thanks
[20:34] <reisio> ultragamecard: quoi?
[20:34]  * jjjjjj slaps reisio around a bit with an electric eel.
[20:34] <ultragamecard> m'kay
[20:36] <reisio> so nobody can link to websites but you, and nobody can be weird in response to you pretending that? :p
[20:36]  * reisio rolls eyes
[20:37] <ultragamecard> m'kay
[20:37] <kron> hello
[20:41] <reisio> 'lo
[20:42] <ubuntu_irc_guy> ello
[20:44] <waykool99> in Window Manager Tweaks, tab Accessibility, there's a check box for "Edge Resistance Instead of Window Snapping". just so i'm clear, what's the difference?
[21:12] <djiboutiii> Hi everyone. I have a deb file that I need to install with dpkg. I then need to place the package in "hold" status with dpkg --set-selections. Finally, and here's where I have an issue, I need to install all of the dependencies for this package, without upgrading the original package that I've placed on hold. Any ideas on how I can get that done?
[21:12] <Aleksandar86> hi
[21:13] <Aleksandar86> Can I install this version on INTEL i7  ubuntu-14.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso????
[21:13] <compdoc> yes
[21:13] <compdoc> thats the best one
[21:13] <OerHeks> djiboutiii, sudo apt-get install -f #would fix dependencies
[21:14] <Aleksandar86> Whay name AMD64?
[21:14] <djiboutiii> OerHeks, thanks for responding. Unfortunately I get this error: E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.
[21:14] <djiboutiii> E: Unable to correct dependencies
[21:14] <OerHeks> djiboutiii, so what .deb package is this problem?
[21:14] <djiboutiii> So because it is on "hold" status, it blocks me from getting the dependencies
[21:15] <djiboutiii> It's just one I wrote, but I'm working on scaling my solution for a lot of servers.
[21:15] <OerHeks> Aleksandar86, amd was the 1st 32+64 bit compatible 64 bit processor, intel lost.
[21:18] <Aleksandar86> anybody here try Ubuntu on ASUS H97 - plus
[21:18] <Aleksandar86> ?
[21:19] <Aleksandar86> I need server database firebird with Ubuntu on this motherboard
[21:20] <reisio> what's stopping you
[21:20] <Aleksandar86> is Ubuntu have drivers for this MB?
[21:20] <OerHeks> Aleksandar86, better ask your real question, what does not work?
[21:20] <Aleksandar86> is good idea do this with Ubuntu or with some another distro?
[21:21] <Aleksandar86> Ubuntu + firebird database, work good?
[21:21] <reisio> Aleksandar86: it'll work
[21:30] <w30> If I login to an internet cafe or a motel network and use ssh my ssh connect keystrokes could be captured but the login keystrokes would be safe, right?
[21:31] <Fuchs> errr?  Define "login keystrokes", but probably the answer to that is "no"
[21:32] <w30> Fuchs, the keystrokes you use to enter the password of the ssh server one is connecting to.
[21:32] <Fuchs> no, how should they be protected?
[21:33] <Fuchs> if it is the _keystrokes_ they can somehow monitor (e.g. keylogger), they aren't. If you are talking about what actually goes over the network: yes, that is protected
[21:35] <OerHeks> run an ubuntu-live iso to do that, w30
[21:35] <w30> Fuchs, I know sound and radio is now being used to capture strokes; nothing computer related except to process the captured info
[21:35] <OerHeks> ohh not that fud ..
[21:35] <Fuchs> w30: should be save enough, you can look at a ssh connection being built up with some sort of network sniffer like wireshark if you want to
[21:36] <Fuchs> w30: if you use their hardware, though, keyloggers can be a thing. Aside from that: yes, ssh should be save. They will get the destination and port, so they might start trying bruteforce attacks or the like
[21:37] <w30> Fuchs, where I go with my login is no big deal. No political or extra-marital concerns here.
[21:39] <w30> Fuchs, I have 500 bucks in bank so now big fish label here.
[21:39] <jhutchins_wk> Mount Laurel, New Jersey.
[21:40] <Fuchs> despite being Swiss I am not terribly interested in your bank account :p
[21:40] <w30> Fuchs, Ha
[21:40] <schov> is there a way to determine maximum se
[21:41] <schov> resoltuion my card can handle
[21:42] <OerHeks> schov, xrandr -q  #will show you all
[21:42] <jhutchins_wk> schov: I believe it's logged to /var/log/Xorg.0.log - but there's a lot of noise in there.
[21:42] <OerHeks> * and is limited to the monitor and driver you use
[21:43] <jhutchins_wk> schov: Also, there's this thing called "the internet" where you can probably find your card's specs./
[21:48] <Mason64> hi everyone,i am running 14.04 but i cant get silverlight to work - could anyone help me?
[21:48] <jeffuser> hello
[21:49] <reisio> Mason64: silverlight, for what?
[21:49] <Mason64> go.sky.com
[21:49] <OerHeks> Mason64, for drm protected streams, use chrome.
[21:50] <jeffuser> did you add-apt-repository
[21:50] <Mason64> hey OerHeks, will chrome work on sky go?
[21:52] <Mason64> Silverlight™ install/update required  i get that
[21:52] <OerHeks> Mason64, dunno, try it and tell us?
[21:52] <Mason64> nope it says the above.
[21:53] <OerHeks> Mason64, oke then you answered your own question.
[21:54] <Mason64> i cant install it i meant sorry
[21:54] <Mason64> or how do i install it via chrome or ff
[21:54] <OerHeks> silverlight is for windows, linux version used to be moonlight, 'till npapi plugins went EOL.
[21:55] <OerHeks> Mason64, you don't need to, as moonlight should be build-in in chrome
[21:55] <reisio> Mason64: I think there's a specific app/plugin for that site, but you could also use pipelight
[21:55] <reisio> /if moonlight doesn't work
[21:56] <genii> Pipelight generally works, albeit slowly
[21:56] <reisio> slowly?
[21:56] <Mason64> hmm i cant seem to get it to work
[21:56] <Mason64> should chrome have it as standard?
[21:56] <OerHeks> oh this one ? http://pipelight.net/cms/install/installation-ubuntu.html
[21:57] <Mason64> let me go see
[21:58] <OerHeks> not sure that still works, with FF blocking plugins ...
[21:58] <Mason64> nope tried that before
[21:59] <Mason64> let me go reboot brb
[21:59] <genii> I'm using the pipelight from http://ppa.launchpad.net/mqchael/pipelight/ubuntu/ and it tends to render stuff like 3-4 times slower than under Windows with regular silverlight
[22:00] <reisio> you can tweak it some, and it does better on its own, IIRC
[22:00] <reisio> like fullscreen
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[22:01] <r33th4x0r>    Y    =   /   a   ]   j   M   S   m
[22:01] <reisio> ditto
[22:01] <r33th4x0r> :      x   V   F   `   !   A    X   D   ^   s   y   N   t   V    T   u   K   o   O   @   p   L    J   }   R   E   p   ^   +   K    :   c   d   n   (   *   $       V   n   /   -
[22:01] <r33th4x0r> M   \   Q   $    ]   /   e   U   a   n      r
[22:01] <OerHeks> !ot > r33th4x0r
[22:01] <reisio> reet?
[22:01] <r33th4x0r> E   #      v   I   +   v   -        A   c   d   g   +   N   ^    p   )   &   D   (   l   Q   ]    )   e   V   q   G   "      m    Z   N   |   Z   Z   j   f   Q    G   x   %   Q   k
[22:01] <r33th4x0r> G   V   Z    $   N   +      0   Z   ~   a
[22:01] <r33th4x0r> G   8   E   f   y   7   F   >    Z   M   z   M   K   T      I    e   W   "   _   u   n   %   Y    @   _   g      ~   l   ]   v    p   m   Q   v      i   u       ,   \
[22:02] <OerHeks> is that the result of pipelight plugin ?
[22:03] <reisio> OerHeks: :p
[22:17] <mifii> can't get this wifi adapter to work been trying all day
[22:17] <xangua> next time make sure your hardware is Linux compatibel
[22:17] <mifii> RTL8187L, it's not working from stock drivers
[22:17] <mifii> yeah it is linux compatible but the drivrs are from like 2009
[22:17] <mifii> so i got a fresh driver and tried compiling gave errors
[22:18] <mifii> syntax errors or some sort
[22:18] <mifii> i disabled the drivers that came with ubuntu because it was for RTL8187 not RTL8187L and the device was constantly non stop reconnecting *not to wifi but like loaidng and disconnecting from the laptop*
[22:19] <mifii> it's really a sticky situatin
[22:20] <weslei> good night friends
[22:21] <Na3iL> may I ask how I can get the approval by the Council of Ubuntu to a new project team??
[22:22] <nomic> maybe post a message on here Na3iL   http://ubuntuforums.org/
[22:23] <Na3iL> okay nomic
[22:23] <Na3iL> thanks
[22:23] <nomic> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncilAgenda
[22:23] <nomic> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncil
[22:24] <nomic> The few ways to contact the Forums Council: Post to the Resolution Center if you have a problem on the forums. E-Mail: ubuntu-forums-council -at- lists.ubuntu.com
[22:24] <nomic> resolution center in the forums
[22:25] <weslei> tem br ae?
[22:27] <reisio> weslei: #ubuntu-br
[22:29] <weslei> reisio: you is american? ou vc e brasileiro?
[22:30] <reisio> I'm from Florida (in the USA, not in Uruguay)
[22:32] <weslei> pleasure friend, i'm from Minas Gerais(Brazil) , please but my english not is much good rsrs
[22:33] <OerHeks> !br | weslei
[22:34] <weslei> ubottu: thanks
[22:35] <weslei> !br
[22:35] <weslei> OerHeks: thanks
[23:09] <loosebolton> Hello, I'm having trouble getting nitrogen to restore my wallpaper when I log in
[23:09] <loosebolton> I use lightdm and dspwm, but can't seem to get the right config file
[23:10] <loosebolton> Anyone know which config file I should be putting commands in for logging in?
[23:12] <marian_> hola
[23:15] <loosebolton> I think I've got it, will try to use a system hook in the lightdm config
[23:23] <anonymous_> 12
[23:23] <anonymous_> 123
[23:23] <anonymous_> 1
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[23:23] <anonymous_> 12
[23:23] <anonymous_> 3
[23:24]  * genii twitches
[23:28] <kingston> Hi everyone, I was hoping someone could help me. I got a Kindle HD6 and I am trying to load some books onto it but when I plug it into my xubuntu machine it's not recognized. Can someone please help me figure out how to get it to mount?
[23:31] <OerHeks> according to  the libmtp website, your kindle isnt an mtp device .. ?
[23:32] <hi> ?
[23:33] <Guest51643> hi
[23:33] <OerHeks> kingston, use wireless then, i guess.
[23:33] <Guest51643> anyone?
[23:34] <ging> if i deleted a file, but it's locked and  won't actually free up the space, can i recover it so i can close it and then delete it?
[23:34] <kingston> OerHeks, How do I do that?
[23:34] <OerHeks> ging, depends what file?
[23:34] <kingston> I just got this thing,.
[23:35] <OerHeks> kingston, i don't know, isn't there a manual that comes with it?
[23:35] <optimal> run the command 'dmesg' and send me the USB output
[23:36] <ging> OerHeks: a vm image which is stored on local disk
[23:36] <optimal> kingston, run the 'dmesg' command and send me the USB output
[23:36] <kingston> ok
[23:36] <Koyaanis> lol
[23:37] <ging> /var/lib/libvirt/images/test1204.img (deleted) is still in use by qemu because i deleted the  file  rather  than deleting it via virsh or virt manager
[23:37] <Koyaanis> I asked yesterday how can i upgrade from 13.10 to 14.04 on my VPS. i couldnt find an answer and i wrote my VPS hoster a ticket. they just answered me saying that "their kernel doesnt support 15.04"
[23:37] <Koyaanis> what
[23:37] <optimal> that might do it
[23:38] <kingston> dmesg
[23:38] <OerHeks> ging, then next reboot it will be gone i guess..
[23:39] <optimal> yes dmesg
[23:39] <ging> OerHeks: problem is it's a big hypervisor running a lot of vms so i woul rather not
[23:39] <mgolisch> Koyaanis: they probably run some sort of container virtualisation without hardware virtualisation support
[23:39] <OerHeks> Koyaanis, so what do you think we can do about that ?
[23:39] <mgolisch> change to another hoster
[23:39] <mgolisch> :)
[23:39] <OerHeks> mgolisch +2
[23:40] <OerHeks> If your VPS does not provide 14.04 images, you are on your own then.
[23:41] <mgolisch> maybe look at what the running kernel is and see if you can get 14.04 to run with that
[23:41] <mgolisch> but id just consider changing hosters
[23:42] <optimal> kingston yeah run dmesg in cli and give me the output it will tell us the status of the USB connection type dmesg | grep 'USB'
[23:43] <optimal> kingston make sure you plug it in first
[23:43] <Ikarus> Hi, I want to open an application placed in ./bla/blabla/myapp calling in in terminal using only myapp. How can I do that?
[23:44] <optimal> what I dont get your question Ikarus
[23:44] <OerHeks> Ikarus, add the location to your %Path%
[23:45] <optimal> change $PATH
[23:45] <Ikarus> OerHeks: thanks, but if instead of calling in myapp I want to call it only using mapp ???
[23:45] <optimal> yes Ikarus
[23:45] <Ikarus> thanks also optimal
[23:46] <OerHeks> Ikarus, make a ln link to it?
[23:46] <optimal> or an alias?
[23:46] <Ikarus> OerHeks: and after place the link into the %PATH% ?
[23:46] <Ikarus> yes it's like an alias
[23:47] <Ikarus> how i can do an alias?
[23:47] <optimal> alias xxx xxx
[23:47] <optimal> alias myalias='commands to run'
[23:48] <optimal> you could put the entire pathname in the alias
[23:48] <optimal> aliases can be almost anything i think
[23:48] <Ikarus> thanks optimal !!! and also OerHeks
[23:49] <optimal> my pleasure
[23:54] <kingston> optimal,  I sent you the output of the desmg
[23:54] <kingston> in pm
[23:54] <OerHeks> !paste
[23:55] <optimal> kingston paste it in paste.ubuntu.com and pm me the URL
[23:56] <Helpme123> Hi, I'm trying to install Ubuntu 14.4.2 alongside xp but there is no option to dual boot on the installer. any ideas
[23:56] <optimal> are you using the ubuntu installer to install ubuntu after windows is installed?
[23:56] <OerHeks> Helpme123, xp on a Sata disk ?
[23:57] <kingston> optimal,  http://paste.ubuntu.com/11933780/
[23:57] <OerHeks> Helpme123, then your bios is set to IDE emulation, set it to AHCI and you are fine ( but cannot boot xp anymore, which is a good thing)
[23:57] <Helpme123> It could be as its a netbook
[23:57] <Guest51643> hi
[23:58] <histo> Helpme123: is there an option to install along side windows?
[23:58] <jda2000> festival or espeak?
[23:58] <Helpme123> no but it recognises there is windows installed
[23:59] <histo> Helpme123: what do you mean?
[23:59] <jda2000> which is best, festival or espeak?
[23:59] <histo> jda2000: why not try them both out and see
[23:59] <OerHeks> jda2000, the one that works best for you ? this is not a polling channel
[23:59] <bprompt> Helpme123:    how many partitions do you have?   just the XP one?


[13:17] <KBar> Hi, Trevinho. I got your reply on Twitter. It's just blocked in my country. Thank you so much and have a great day/evening!
[13:18] <Trevinho> KBar: cool :)
[13:18] <Trevinho> KBar: have you been able to access to the code?
[13:18] <Trevinho> most of it is also available in gitlab.gnome.org or launchpad.net/
[13:20] <KBar> Yep. I just got it. I've been looking for the formula all over Unity's code on Launchpad.
[13:21] <Trevinho> KBar: just check gnome-desktop code in ubuntu sources, it's all there
[13:21] <KBar> I have no clue about programming but I need to have a look at it and maybe later implement something similar on Xubuntu. Thank you so much!
[13:21] <KBar> I surely will, Trevinho.
[13:26] <KBar> Thanks again. I'll report back once I'm finished.