[02:03] <ceekay> trying to understand how kexec/kdump works and hoping someone might be able to help me out... when i try to kexec -p /vmlinuz --initrd=/initrd --append=root=/dev/sda1, i get "locate_hold failed" anyone able to point me in a direction? cat /proc/iomem shows that i have an entry for "Crash Kernel" (i booted with the crashkernel=64M@16M option)
[02:03] <ceekay> sorry "locate_hole_failed", not "hold"
[02:04] <mkrufky> BenC: fyi, hermann tends to speak to the list in his emails moreso than to those in the to: field  ;-)
[02:12] <BenC> mkrufky: I gathered :)
[02:12] <mkrufky> hehe
[02:13] <BenC> ceekay: on intrepid, just install linux-crashdump-generic
[02:13] <BenC> ceekay: reboot, and all is good
[02:13] <ceekay> benc: I'm trying to backport to 7.04 if that is at all possible :\
[02:13] <ceekay> rather, trying to understand if it is possible
[02:14] <ceekay> just pulled the source pkg kexec-tools (20070330-4ubuntu3) from hardy
[02:14] <BenC> ceekay: IIRC, 7.04 kexec is broken :)
[02:14] <ceekay> it compiles and installs... but i guess the question i'd need to ask here, is does the kernel support it or how can i find out
[02:14] <BenC> kexec and/or the kernel
[02:15] <ceekay> eek
[02:15] <ceekay> there a way i can check?
[02:15] <BenC> the kernel supports it, but it's not working
[02:15] <BenC> ceekay: if you get the above error, then it doesn't work
[02:15] <BenC> ceekay: the kernel supports it, else you wouldn't see the entry in /proc/iomem
[02:16] <ceekay> so is a newer kexec-tools not going to resolve this issue? it's broken in 2.6.20-16?
[02:16] <ceekay> rather in the kernel itself, not just the kexec tools
[02:17] <BenC> right
[02:18] <ceekay> quick way to find out i guess... i just ran kexec -p..etcetc... using the new kexec tools package, i didn't get the "locate_hole_failed" error... hit alt+sysrq+c and it appears to have just re-execed the kernel
[02:19] <ceekay> would seem to me that it worked
[02:20] <ceekay> and i now have an 80MB living in /proc/kcore
[02:21] <ceekay> BenC: did i just prove that it works? (i don't want to get too excited here)
[02:44] <ceekay> probably a stupid question- how can i get the vmlinux file for a released kernel package (i.e. 2.6.20-16)? do i have to download+extract the kernel source package, copy my /boot/config-2.6.20-16 to /usr/src/linux, then make?
[02:45] <ceekay> linux-image-debug seems to have the uncompressed vmlinux but it doesn't appear to match the regular kernel
[03:03] <rtg> kirkland: everything is built in my PPA
[03:24] <BenC> ceekay: sounds good to me
[03:24] <BenC> ceekay: apt-get install linux-image-debug-generic
[03:24] <BenC> ceekay: installs the vmlinux with debug symbols that matches the kernel
[03:34] <ceekay> BenC: hm... the program "crash" didn't seem to like it...something about mismatched banners
[03:36] <ceekay> interesting... using the /etc/init.d/kdump defaults, kexec isn't happy... i think it's the irqpoll option on my system that causes it to get stuck in an infinite loop
[03:39] <ceekay> sorry the warning was about linux_banner, but crash seems to error out saying that /boot/vmlinux-2.6.20-16... and /var/crash/kernel.0 (dump that i copied from /dev/kcore after causing a dump)
[03:41] <ceekay> don't match
[03:46] <BenC> ceekay: probably your kernel is not the latest one, run apt-get update
[03:47] <ceekay> BenC: both packages say 2.6.20-16.35 :\
[03:48] <ceekay> i know 2.6.20-17 is out, but as long as these two packages match versions seems like it should work
[03:49] <BenC> ceekay: sounds like you have something askew on your system
[03:49] <ceekay> quite probable
[03:49] <BenC> ceekay: the -debug package is the vmlinux that was used to build the standard vmlinuz kernel
[03:49] <BenC> it's not even a separate build, it's an exact match
[03:50] <ceekay> BenC: one last question for you.. looking at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kexec-tools it appears that you did the scripts to copy the dumpfile somewhere... if i'm looking to backport this to 7.04, is this something that's only in the 8.10 initrd's?
[03:51] <BenC> ceekay: you will need kexec-tools, grub and makedumpfile from intrepid
[03:51] <ceekay> noticing the boot flag kdump_needed that gets added by /etc/init.d/kdump to the kexec on panic APPEND line
[03:52] <ceekay> ah, hadn't realized makedumpfile is a package
[03:52] <BenC> it's in universe in intrepid only
[03:52] <ceekay> gotcha
[03:52] <ceekay> is the new grub really necessary?
[03:52] <BenC> yeah
[03:52] <ceekay> 7.04 seems to do the crashdump option correctly
[03:53] <ceekay> BenC: any specifics on what the new grub does differently?
[03:55] <ceekay> last changelog entry i see seems to have been in 7.04 timeframe
[03:55] <ceekay> by you :)
[03:55] <BenC> ceekay: the crashdump= is handled differently
[03:55] <BenC> automatically added
[03:58] <ceekay> BenC: crashdump=1 seems to be handled the way i'd expect it to be currently... i set it to 1, run update-grub and then i get a new alt boot option that has the crashkernel64M@16M option appended to it
[03:59] <BenC> ceekay: that is removed
[04:00] <BenC> but you're free to figure it out on your own :)
[04:00] <ceekay> gotcha :)
[04:00] <ceekay> thanks so much for you help on this... looks like i have a working backport of current kexec-tools to 7.04...
[04:01] <ceekay> only thing i really had to change was removing "irqpoll" from the append list in /etc/init.d/kdump
[04:05] <ceekay> BenC: oh and btw... my debug image does seem to work... i think i had a funky crash dump... just did a clean reboot + sysrq/alt/c, then cp /proc/vmcore /var/crash/kernel.0, now crash reads the dump file just fine :)
[10:09] <Kano> hi
[10:09] <Kano> did somebody notice that the latest 2.6.26 snapshot (and rc6 i tested before) have got problems with dell vostro 1000?
[10:10] <Kano> it only boots when acpi=off - a bit brutal for a laptop
[10:11] <Kano> amd chipset with integrated Xpress 1150 gpu
[14:09] <penfold_99> is anyone here working on kvm?
[14:16] <zul> penfold_99: #ubuntu-virt
[14:43] <rtg> kirkland: have you talked to upstream about ecryptfs and the fact that the 'eCryptfs: remove unnecessary page decrypt call' patch did not fix the issue?
[14:43] <kirkland> rtg: i have a 10am meeting with them today
[14:43] <kirkland> rtg: that's tops on the list ;-)
[14:44] <rtg> kirkland: cool. I looked through subsequent commits for 2.6.25 and 2.6.26, but didn't see anything that might make a difference.
[14:44] <kirkland> rtg: yeah, this is bothering me
[16:00] <Kano> rtg: could you add gspca to 2.6.26
[16:47] <rtg> mdomsch: so how long should a BIOS update take on an Inspiron 1420? A00 --> A08. Its been at the 'Performing BIOS Update...' screen for over 10 minutes.
[16:48] <Kano> rtg: also uvcvideo
[16:48] <Kano> rtg: dos mode?
[16:49] <rtg> Kano: why are you asking me? BenC is the Intrepid dud right now. I'm working on Hardy stability issues.
[16:49] <rtg> s/dud/dude/
[16:50] <Kano> but why do you change it then?
[16:50] <Kano> when you look at changelog
[16:50] <rtg> Kano: because we have changed roles.  Look at who has made the last dozen Intrepid commits.
[16:51] <Kano> the last was you
[16:51] <Kano> when you really look there..
[16:51] <Kano> ok before it was benc
[16:51] <rtg> Kano: forward porting a Hardy fix doesn't count.
[16:51] <Kano> ;)
[16:52] <mkrufky> Kano: can you please lobby the gspca and uvcvideo folks for an upstream merge?
[16:52] <rtg> Kano: besides, it would be a hell of a lot easier to keep track of what is missing if you sent an email, or better yet a web page somewhere. IRC logs just get lost.
[16:53] <mkrufky> Kano: if they finally merge into upstream, this issue will be solved for _everybody_
[16:53] <Kano> sure, just kanotix users already test you kernels ;) and they missed em *g*
[16:53] <mkrufky> Kano: especially us v4l/dvb folks, who are constantly (incorrectly) getting support requests for those two drivers
[16:53] <Kano> one system - dell vostro 1000 - does not boot it without acpi=off, any idea
[16:54] <rtg> not off-hand. turn off the splash screen during boot and see where it croaks.
[16:54] <mdomsch> rtg, not sure, I haven't tried on one of those
[16:55] <Kano> well you dont see much
[16:55] <mdomsch> rtg, generally not quite that long though; several minutes, but not 10+
[16:55] <rtg> mdomsch: its still flashing. drat. I hope its not toasterized.
[16:55] <Kano> i guess it has already problems to access hd
[16:56] <Kano> due to missing irqs
[16:56] <johanbr> I updated the bios on my 1420 and it didn't take long at all. I didn't time it, but it didn't seem to be longer than a minute.
[16:56] <rtg> mdomsch, johanbr - this is one of the original prototypes, so maybe it has other issues.
[16:59] <rtg> well, it power cycled OK, but its still at A00.
[16:59] <rtg> guess I'll leave it be.
[17:00] <BenC> Kano: already said those drivers will get into 2.6.26, then the priority is there
[17:00] <Kano> well whats your priority?
[17:00] <BenC> Kano: bugging us about it doesn't make it happen any faster
[17:00] <BenC> Kano: my priority is getting the tree stable...and I can't even make an upload till after alpha 1, so there's no rush
[17:01] <Kano> when is alapha1 planned?
[17:01] <BenC> Kano: priority right now is stability and required drivers for booting and testing
[17:02] <BenC> Kano: was supposed to be by today, but I haven't been updated on the progress in a few days
[17:02] <Kano> i already made a live cd with 2.6.26, no problem booting
[17:02] <BenC> Kano: as we've explained before, our criteria for a milestone CD != the same priority for yours
[17:03] <BenC> we have milestoned bugs that need to get fixed first, and we have way more testing to do than "boots for Kano"
[17:03] <mkrufky> BenC: when should I plan to have my LUM stuff for intrepid ready to pass on to you?
[17:03] <BenC> mkrufky: if by lum you mean ubuntu/ in the main tree, then give me something to pull from :)
[17:03] <mkrufky> i'm imagining i have a month yet before it matters at all
[17:04] <Kano> mkrufky: i thought it is just patched now in like in 2.6.22?
[17:04] <mkrufky> Kano: correct, i said LUM by accident
[17:04] <BenC> mkrufky: just be aware of the milestones and freezes
[17:04] <BenC> mkrufky: initial code drop should be soon, easier to justify patches late in the cycle than full drivers
[17:05] <mkrufky> BenC: ok, in that case, is it OK if I wait for 2.6.26 upstream release first?  If my hvr950q performance tweaks get in to 2.6.26, then it will be less changes that I'll have for you
[17:05] <BenC> mkrufky: Sure, I would think 2.6.26 release would be within a couple weeks timeframe
[17:06] <tseliot> Kano: why don't you use DKMS with gspca and uvcvideo (with the sources from upstream) until the kernel team updates the drivers? It should be trivial to do so.
[17:06] <mkrufky> yes... hopefully within the week.  Linus took a vacation (i think) and he hopes to not push out another -rc
[17:06] <mdomsch> rtg, you might try using 'biosdisk' from http://linux.dell.com/projects.shtml#biosdisk, and an EXE from support.dell.com
[17:07] <rtg> mdomsch: k.
[17:07] <Kano> tseliot: i use something else, just mentioned that these driver are not there where i expected em
[17:08] <tseliot> Kano: ah, ok
[17:08] <Kano> but as they easyly compile they should be simple to add, not really much time consuming i think
[17:09] <Kano> you discuss longer then it actually takes time
[17:21] <BenC> Kano: it's not the time, it's working on something that isn't as important as the other things I'm working on
[17:21]  * BenC stops explaining priorities to Kano
[17:22] <BenC> Let's make it simple, if I worked on everything that everyone pointed me to that was "simple and quick" it would probably take me 3 weeks to complete all those "simple and quick" tasks
[17:23] <BenC> all the while, the difficult, and more important things wouldn't get done
[17:23] <Kano> when i do the patch,will you add it?
[17:23] <BenC> Kano: it will take me the same amount of time to import your patch as it would for me to cp -a the driver over and add it to the build, so no
[18:38] <UlfJack> hi
[18:47] <UlfJack> what's the right way to debug a freeze? i've searched on google, but havn't come up with anything definitive. kern.log is empty and the crashdump kernels don't seem to do anything either...
[18:50] <rtg> UlfJack: perhaps minimize the number of devices that you have active?
[18:52] <UlfJack> memtest passes, and xp seems to run stable as well...
[18:53] <rtg> UlfJack: since your IRC sessions comes and goes, I suspect you have a wireless device.
[18:53] <UlfJack> i've had to reboot because it freezes
[18:53] <rtg> UlfJack: 'it' being a wireless device?
[18:54] <UlfJack> no, i'm connected via cable
[18:55] <UlfJack> the laptop has a built-in wireless card, but that never worked, so it's switched off in the bios
[19:00] <UlfJack> no overclocking, no restricted drivers, i'm trying to narrow it down, but i'm totally stumped
[19:02] <UlfJack> i'm not doing anything specific, it just freezes randomly - it doesn't seem to make a difference if i'm using firefox, openoffice, freecell, or just a console
[19:03] <BenC> UlfJack: running what version of Ubuntu?
[19:03] <UlfJack> 8.04
[19:04] <UlfJack> it happens with the -17, the -19, and the -rt kernels
[19:05] <UlfJack> hmm, maybe i should reinstall -18 to see if it freezes too
[19:05] <BenC> UlfJack: likely wont help
[19:06] <UlfJack> compositing is disabled, too
[19:06] <BenC> UlfJack: try running with no network for a bit
[19:10] <UlfJack> it also crashes when the network cable is disconnected (in my experience, i didn't just pull the cable ;)
[19:11] <UlfJack> i had it crash on me spectacularly when i tried to give a presentation the other day :(
[19:13] <BenC> odd
[19:13] <BenC> is it a solid lock, or do the caps/num lock leds blink?
[19:14] <BenC> BTW, anyone interested, 2.6.26-3.7 is about to be uploaded
[19:15] <UlfJack> i'm sorry for the load of join/quit messages, but i have to reboot every 5 min it seems :(
[19:16] <johanbr> What's your laptop model?
[19:17] <BenC> UlfJack: is it a solid lock, or do the caps/num lock leds blink?
[19:17] <UlfJack> it's an old lifebook s60, 1 GHz, 512 MB
[19:18] <UlfJack> they don't blink, it just stops (no change on the screen) and ignores alls keyboard/mouse input
[19:20] <johanbr> Have you found *any* kernel that's stable?
[19:20] <UlfJack> iirc 7.10 was running stable
[19:21] <BenC> UlfJack: have you tried switching to console and waiting to see if the hang still occurs? Maybe get some output that way
[19:21] <BenC> make sure to boot without the quiet kernel option
[19:25] <UlfJack> does quiet make a difference for console output on crash/freeze?
[20:28] <UlfJack> of course now it doesn't freeze :(
[20:28] <UlfJack> oh well, off to bed
[22:52] <Kano> hi rtg , BenC , do you want to see a pic with the error of the vostro 1000?
[22:54] <ceekay> BenC: after all that advice yesterday (and my excitement that it was working), i can't seem to get kdump working on another one of my systems running (the one i _need_ it to work on)... seems to kernel panic when loading the capture kernel... i see "unknown_bootoption" in the stack trace and everything else above that seems to sound like initial filesystem sync/load. guess i may have to take back my "kdump works on 7.04" statement... any thoug


[13:50] <Takumo> Hi all, if I have two jobs, A and B, and job B needs job A to work
[13:51] <Takumo> can job A do "emit a-running" and B have "start on a-running" ?
[13:55] <jodh> Takumo: yes, but you don't need to do that: just make B specify "start on started A". See http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#event and http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#start-depends-on-another-service.
[13:58] <jodh> Takumo: note that if you really want A to emit your custom 'a-running' event, it should call 'initctl emit a-running' but also specify 'emits a-running' for 'initctl check-config' (see http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#initctl-check-config).
[14:06] <Takumo> oh ok, so just leave A without any emits and have b do "start on started A"
[14:07] <Takumo> awesome :)
[14:07] <jodh> Takumo: correct :) Upstart provides a set of standard events for jobs (starting/started/stopping/stopped). They all have man pages too.
[14:09] <Takumo> that's nice
[16:19] <Psi-Jack> I'm trying to create an upstart job that loads a non-forking, non-daemonizing PHP script which keeps itself running in the foreground. But, when I do so, it just starts it, and stops immediately with an exit code of 1, and debugging it, I can't seem to find any further details why it's just not working.
[16:23] <jodh> Psi-Jack: this is all covered in the cookbook: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#determining-why-your-service-fails-to-start, http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#checking-how-a-service-might-react-when-run-as-a-job
[16:23] <jodh> , http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#see-the-environment-a-job-runs-in
[16:23] <jodh>
[16:23] <Psi-Jack> I kinda figured out what it was. sudo errored about not having a tty.
[22:35] <leomurilloz> anybody know how I can execute an action on job respawn?


[00:20] <bluesabre> cjwatson: can you give some advice... it seems menulibre and xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin are not included in the trusty packageset.  How can i request their inclusion?
[00:20] <bluesabre> and any other packages that I find we ship but are not included
[00:27] <rbasak> bluesabre: packageset for upload rights? Email the DMB for those.
[00:33] <bluesabre> thanks rbasak
[09:31] <xnox> upstart/trusty SRU is missing one commit from what's already in utopic ( https://launchpadlibrarian.net/178068270/upstart_1.12.1-0ubuntu10_1.12.1-0ubuntu11.diff.gz ) hence caused proposed regression bug #1343905 ... and hence above brow paper back SRU fix up.
[09:32] <xnox> cjwatson: would you please accept the fix-up of above ^
[09:36] <ochosi> slangasek: hey, we're in a bit of a rush with the xdg-utils patch. it's a very tiny patch but fixes a nasty regression in xubuntu where the screensaver always blanks (even when video is fullscreen), would be great to get that in 14.04.1, so if you have time to approve it...  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-locker/+bug/1309744
[09:40] <cjwatson> xnox: done
[09:40] <xnox> cjwatson: thanks a lot.
[09:45] <ochosi> cjwatson: if you feel like taking a look at the xdg-utils ^ upload too, that'd be great
[09:45] <cjwatson> ochosi: I was just looking.  Why does it remove the existing case for that variable being the empty string?
[09:45] <ochosi> cjwatson: because that case is actually a duplicate in the code
[09:46] <ochosi> because ubuntu carries a patch that is already integrated in the source
[09:46]  * cjwatson looks at the context
[09:46] <ochosi> hence, code duplication
[09:46] <cjwatson> Ah yes
[09:46] <ochosi> i know it's weird (which is probably why i've had to explain this a few times already to different ppl :))
[09:46] <cjwatson> Seems vulnerable to rebase accidents, but OK for now
[09:46] <ochosi> i just did the most minimal fix to get it into trusty
[09:46] <ochosi> for utopic, i'll work out something better
[09:47] <ochosi> in fact, i'll try to get it upstreamed...
[09:47] <cjwatson> accepted
[09:47] <ochosi> thanks a bunch!
[09:48] <didrocks> yeah, I had the same question when sponsoring for utopic :)
[09:48] <ochosi> :]
[09:48] <ochosi> it's a very natural/obvious question
[09:49] <ochosi> i kinda asked myself that when looking at xdg-screensaver for the first time ;)
[09:49] <didrocks> heh
[09:50] <ochosi> hm, how long approx until i can test/verify it from trusty-proposed?
[09:50] <Laney> The first patch should probably be fixed to not add that duplicate case in the first place ...
[09:50] <ochosi> Laney: yeah, actually it's only about dropping a patch iirc
[10:04] <cjwatson> ochosi: 20mins ish?
[10:04] <cjwatson> maybe less
[10:07] <ochosi> ok, will check then, thanks!
[15:26] <slangasek> ochosi: yep, looks fine, releasing to -updates.  BTW, who's responsible for the two duplicate cases in that script?  (I guess not you :)
[15:39] <ochosi> slangasek: hehe, no, not me :) i didn't want to blame it on anyone, so i never investigated. i'll try to get this fixed for utopic though...
[15:42] <ochosi> slangasek: fwiw, the xubuntu-default-settings patch is still awaiting verification when it's just a settings-change for something that was already SRUd, if you have a minute to take a peek
[15:43] <ochosi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1303736
[15:43] <ochosi> (it's part of this really terrible huge bugreport, but the last piece is just flipping the settings switch to make it work for new users, which we forgot before, so it'd be great to have that on the iso too...)
[15:44] <slangasek> ochosi: we normally don't release SRUs on a Friday due to limited availability for dealing with fallout afterwards; I made an exception for the straightforward xdg-utils one, but I think the rest should be able to wait until Monday
[15:47] <ochosi> slangasek: i understand, just thought i'd mention it cause it's a setting for something that was already verified (and is already in the archive)


[00:05] <jasoncwarner_> hey robert_ancell and RAOF , apw reported this bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1063919 could you guys take a quick look? not sure where the problem might be.
[00:05] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1063919 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "Additional flash to black at plymouth to X handoff" [Undecided,New]
[00:06] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner_, ech
[00:08] <robert_ancell> RAOF, afaict LightDM is continuing to do the right handshake with Plymouth, can you tell any further?
[00:24] <RAOF> I've asked for some clarification, but if the dots remain across the flash then that's highly odd; the dots are just another part of the framebuffer, like the rest.
[01:40] <RAOF> Oh, my. Final freeze really creeps up!
[01:44] <cyphermox> yup
[04:17] <jbicha> anyone interested in sponsoring ubuntu-docs?
[04:19] <jbicha> well it's lp:ubuntu-docs and I'm going to bed
[04:20] <jbicha> ooh, robert_ancell was piloting today
[04:20] <jbicha> language pack deadline is at an annoying time of day
[05:15] <pitti> Good morning
[05:15] <RAOF> Hey pittmeister flash!
[05:21] <pitti> lol
[05:22] <pitti> ¡ɐıןɐɹʇsnɐ ˙ɹɯ  ʎǝɥ
[05:23] <RAOF> Dear sbuild: faster!
[05:23] <RAOF> Or, rather, dear btrfs: please suck less, your features are enticing!
[05:42] <RAOF> pitti: Out of idle curiosity, how do you find those unicode codepoints?
[05:42] <pitti> RAOF: easy, I just turn my keyboard around
[05:42] <pitti> or LANG=en_AU.UTF-8 :-)
[05:42] <pitti> RAOF: nah, http://www.sevenwires.com/play/UpsideDownLetters.html
[05:42] <sarnold> ah! it's all clear to me now!
[05:43] <sarnold> flipping the _keyboard_ is a lot easier than flipping the monitor.
[05:43] <pitti> sarnold: the monitors are already upside down in Australia, so it should be just fine for RAOF
[05:47] <didrocks> good morning
[06:00] <TheMuso> pitti: And what do you suggest I do? :p
[06:01] <TheMuso> Or to be more precise, how does up side down monitors help me deal with that text?
[06:01] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[06:01] <pitti> TheMuso: hm, I guess you need a plugin to play the speech synthesis in reverse? then you can hear Elvis or some aliens talking
[06:02] <TheMuso> lol
[06:02] <pitti> didrocks: I noticed this on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-q-desktop-quality: "[didrocks] test screensaver and inhibit: DONE"
[06:02] <pitti> didrocks: where did you put that test?
[06:02] <pitti> didrocks: I ask because I have written some as well, as a WI in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/qa-q-add-test-coverage
[06:03] <didrocks> guten morgen pitti :)
[06:03] <pitti> didrocks: (aren't we great in coordinating?)
[06:03] <didrocks> pitti: I sent them by email to jibel 4 months ago
[06:03] <didrocks> he told me he would setup them
[06:03] <pitti> ah, I guess I'll talk to him then
[06:03] <didrocks> pitti: mine are integration tests
[06:03] <pitti> didrocks: mine as well
[06:03] <didrocks> argh, using keybindings, moving mouse?
[06:04] <pitti> didrocks: I was thinking of stuffing them in UTAH, so I created the necessary meta-files around them
[06:04] <pitti> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~pitti/+junk/desktop-tests/files
[06:04] <pitti> phone, brb
[06:04] <pitti> didrocks: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~pitti/+junk/desktop-tests/view/head:/tests/desktop-pm/gnome_screensaver.py
[06:05] <pitti> didrocks: it wasn't much lost, no worries
[06:05] <pitti> didrocks: I'm using xkl to simulate a key event
[06:05] <didrocks> pitti: ok, I hope that you will have some parts you can reuse. Mines are more from user perspective (having timeouting and so on, not playing that much with dbus
[06:05] <didrocks> but yeah, changing the gsettings keys :/
[06:09] <pitti> didrocks: did you find a way to change that temoprarily somehow?
[06:09] <pitti> didrocks: but anyway, I wanted integration tests as well, so actually changing them is what I want
[06:09] <pitti> it resets them at the end, though
[06:10] <pitti> didrocks: anyway, I'll talk to jibel
[06:10] <pitti> didrocks: merci!
[06:11] <didrocks> pitti: de rien ;)
[06:11] <didrocks> pitti: I sent him 3 set of tests
[06:12] <didrocks> screensaver, dconf blame and unity services running at startup
[06:49] <jibel> good morning
[06:49] <didrocks> salut jibel!
[06:50] <pitti> bonjour jibel
[06:50] <jibel> Bonjour pitti et didrocks , comment allez-vous ?
[06:51] <pitti> un peu fatigue, mais je vais bien, merci!
[06:51] <pitti> my compose key is broken today, not amused
[06:51] <pitti> gsettings are fine
[06:52] <jibel> pitti, too much Taekwondo again ?
[06:52] <pitti> jibel: it was quite intense yesterday, but I got up earlier again
[06:53] <pitti> my wife will come back home today, so I need to get used to waking up early :)
[06:53] <didrocks> ça va :)
[07:39] <tsdgeos> anyone knows what might be causing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1043349 ?
[07:39] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1043349 in gnome-control-center "User Accounts reports wrong "Automatic Login" status when upgading from 12.04" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[08:01] <pitti> jibel: so didrocks told me he sent you some screensaver tests a while ago; are they running in jenkins anywhere?
[08:02] <seb128> hey pitti, hey desktopers
[08:02] <pitti> jibel: I discovered that I also have a work item for screensaver tests and have them in a +junk branch, but they aren't rolled out to anywhere as I'm not yet sure how to get UTAH tests into jenkins
[08:02] <pitti> bonjour seb128, c,a va?
[08:02] <seb128> pitti, oui, et toi ?
[08:03] <pitti> seb128: s'il vous plai^t corriger ma compose key! :-)
[08:03] <pitti> seb128: je vais bien!
[08:03] <seb128> elle a quoi la compose key?
[08:04] <pitti> I use "Scroll Lock"
[08:04] <seb128> pitti, je *suis* bien
[08:04] <seb128> (joking :p)
[08:04] <pitti> and it has worked fine until today
[08:04]  * seb128 hides
[08:04] <pitti> seb128: err, really?
[08:04] <seb128> no ;-)
[08:04] <pitti> ah, *phew*
[08:04]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[08:04] <pitti> dude, it took me so long to figure this out! :-)
[08:04]  * pitti hugs seb128 back
[08:04] <seb128> ;-)
[08:04] <RAOF> Yo, seb128!
[08:05] <pitti> so anyway, control-center still shows the right compose key for me, it just stopped working
[08:05] <seb128> pitti, compose broke today?! I don't think we changed anything
[08:05]  * pitti blames RAOF
[08:05] <seb128> RAOF, hey, how are you?
[08:05] <RAOF> seb128: A bit tired, but otherwise ok. Yourself?
[08:05] <jibel> pitti, uh, it vaguely remembers me something. didrocks sent me an email with it a while ago, one minute.
[08:05] <seb128> RAOF, not fully awake yet (working on it through coffee) but good I think ;-)
[08:05] <RAOF> :)
[08:06] <pitti> jibel: no hurry, I was mostly wondering where they are running (if they are)
[08:07] <pitti> seb128: do you know which component actually handles the compose key? in xev I just see the individual keys, but I wouldn't have a working version to compare against
[08:07] <pitti> is that somewhere in Gdk?
[08:08]  * RAOF has a sneaking suspicion that it's X
[08:08] <pitti> org.gnome.libgnomekbd.keyboard options ['terminate\tterminate:ctrl_alt_bksp', 'grp\tgrp:shifts_toggle', 'Compose key\tcompose:sclk']
[08:09] <seb128> pitti, I would say it's Xorg, though GTK let you choose input methods for e.g GtkTextView, not sure how that plays with compose
[08:09] <pitti> RAOF: do you know whether the compose key setting should appear somewhere in xprop -root?
[08:09] <pitti> (because it doesn't seem to be right now)
[08:10] <jibel> pitti, so ... I forwarded you 2 emails from didrocks with 3 tests: dconf, screensaver and unity-services-startup
[08:10] <RAOF> pitti: It's likely to want to be in _XKB_RULES_NAMES
[08:10] <RAOF> _XKB_RULES_NAMES(STRING) = "evdev", "pc105", "us,us", "dvorak,", "ctrl:nocaps,compose:menu"
[08:10] <pitti> _XKB_RULES_NAMES(STRING) = "evdev", "pc105", "us", "", ""
[08:10] <pitti> that's what I suspected
[08:10]  * pitti tries to wiggle the settings in g-c-c
[08:10] <RAOF> pitti: Yeah, something in GNOME isn't setting the options correctly.
[08:10] <jibel> pitti, the tests are not running, because I was waiting for utah
[08:10] <pitti> jibel: right, so was I
[08:11] <pitti> jibel: I have mine UTAH-ified, but not sure where to submit them to
[08:11] <pitti> jibel: d'accord, merci!
[08:11] <pitti> so I wasn't missing something obvious
[08:11] <jibel> pitti, neither am i. I'll need some utah training at uds
[08:12] <pitti> RAOF, seb128: hm, so wiggling the setting in g-c-c helped
[08:12] <pitti> très bien!
[08:12] <seb128> pitti, did you get a g-s-d segfault today or something?
[08:12] <pitti> no, I didn't; gsd hasn't crashed in ages
[08:13] <pitti> anyway, I'll watch it, now that I know where to look
[08:13] <pitti> seb128, RAOF: thanks!
[08:13] <seb128> yw
[08:13] <pitti> _XKB_RULES_NAMES(STRING) = "evdev", "pc105", "us,de,us", ",nodeadkeys,dvorak", "terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp,grp:shifts_toggle,compose:sclk"
[08:13] <pitti> now it lokos correct again
[08:13] <pitti> "looks"
[08:14] <pitti> « î œ ø €  \o/
[08:16] <pitti> jibel: mails> oh, d'exercice français :)
[08:18] <pitti> didrocks: ah, so you use the autopilot bits; I just used xkl; otherwise these two look rather similar, so let's just take your's
[08:18] <jibel> pitti, oh sorry, I can translate it if you wish
[08:18] <pitti> jibel: nah, that's fine
[08:18] <didrocks> pitti: well, I don't want to compare my crappy code with your awesome work, yours is better I think :)
[08:18] <pitti> didrocks: I have a test that totem disables the idle handling, we could merge that
[08:18] <didrocks> ahah, excellent!
[08:19] <didrocks> pitti in french \o/
[08:19] <didrocks> yep :)
[08:19] <didrocks> jibel: nicely done! :p
[08:19] <pitti> didrocks: anyway, seems we are both blocked on being able to run UTAH tests in jenkins; once we do, we can merge those two and stick them in
[08:19] <didrocks> yep :)
[08:20] <pitti> didrocks: would you mind if I keep the xkl approach? much less code to carry around
[08:20] <pitti> err, "xte"
[08:20] <pitti> subprocess.check_call(['xte', 'key Shift_L'])
[08:20] <pitti> it's using XTest, just like autopilot (I think), so the result ought to be the same
[08:21] <pitti> didrocks: nice d-conf blame tests!
[08:22] <didrocks> pitti: sure sure :)
[08:22] <didrocks> pitti: thanks!
[09:07] <Laney> is there a webapp SRU planned?
[09:08] <Laney> I really want to cherry-pick for https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-firefox-extension/+bug/1060888
[09:08] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1060888 in webapps-greasemonkey "Web app prompt appears on every single page load" [Undecided,In progress]
[09:08] <Laney> hmm, maybe there's more changes needed for that
[09:14] <seb128> Laney, why SRU? we are not hard frozen yet and the fix seems trivial, you can probably try to get it in still
[09:14] <chrisccoulson> urgh, that is pretty hideous :(
[09:14] <Laney> seb128: I was more asking whether it was planned to include it anyway
[09:14] <Laney> like should I not bother trying to do an upload today
[09:15] <Laney> chrisccoulson: yes, yes it is very annoying. I found that bug because I went to report it myself :-)
[09:15] <seb128> Laney, I think they planned to get extra fixes in before release, whether they manage to be on time I don't know
[09:15] <seb128> Laney, I would suggest to wait a few hours for Ken to be online if that's still ok timeline wise
[09:15] <Laney> well, final freeze is today :P
[09:17] <Laney> seb128: I'll test it and then see what ken says
[09:18] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[09:19] <seb128> Laney, <willcooke> seb128: yeah, we'll have some fixes I expect.  It was public holiday in the US yesterday so we've got a couple to get in
[09:19] <seb128> Laney, they plan to roll some updates,fixes out today
[09:19] <Laney> great
[09:20] <Laney> can you ask that that one is included?
[09:20] <seb128> Laney, testing of the fix is still appreciated though! ;-)
[09:20] <seb128> Laney,
 willcooke, you plan to get those out today right? ;-)
 seb128: that one is on the hit list
[09:20] <seb128>  seb128: yes - today
[09:20] <Laney> excellent </mr burns>
[09:46] <didrocks> seb128: I think mterry will be best to do the change
[09:46] <didrocks> seb128: the settings is still changed in the ui and loaded from it
[09:46] <didrocks> but my feeling is that then, lightdm request again to account services to get the default session
[09:46] <didrocks> and I'm not really sure how this work for every case
[09:47] <didrocks> what is sure is that the initial patch is still called and change the session as it worked in the past
[09:47] <didrocks> so the regression should come with recent changes
[09:47] <seb128> didrocks, ok
[09:47] <seb128> didrocks, one easy "workaround" would be to ship an unity-2d.session or symlink in gnome-session
[09:47] <seb128> or .desktop (or both)
[09:48] <didrocks> seb128: doesn't work, we need in addition to that to have a Xsession script making the session name change
[09:48] <didrocks> seb128: as some scripts are relying on the "ubuntu" as a session name
[09:48] <didrocks> (or changing those as well, ensuring we don't miss one)
[09:49] <seb128> didrocks, can we do an unity-2d with a /bin/false as test and unity as fallback?
[09:49] <seb128> e.g force it to fallback to unity
[09:49] <seb128> that should be trivial and lead to use "unity"
[09:49] <seb128> ups
[09:49] <seb128> "ubuntu"
[09:49] <seb128> unity-2->ubuntu-2d
[09:49] <didrocks> seb128: hum, yeah, with a TryExec to false
[09:50] <didrocks> let me try this
[09:50] <didrocks> good idea
[09:50] <didrocks> it should fallback to the default session
[09:50] <didrocks> which is the one we want :)
[09:50] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[09:53] <didrocks> seb128: that was a good idea… unfortunately, lightdm doesn't use TryExec anymore
[09:53] <didrocks> it was working in the past, i'm sure of it
[09:54] <didrocks> also, it means the people using the gnome remix will see the ubuntu session now :/
[09:54] <seb128> damn lightdm
[09:54] <didrocks> I bet it's the migration to the account services which caused it
[09:55] <seb128> didrocks, can you reassign the bug to mterry with your hack attached? he knows lightdm's code better he might be able to help when he gets online
[09:55] <didrocks> seb128: last idea, trying to see tryexec to foo
[09:55] <didrocks> let's try that one first :)
[09:56] <didrocks> seb128: not better :/
[09:56] <seb128> :-(
[09:57] <didrocks> reassigning to mterry
[09:57] <seb128> thanks
[09:57] <didrocks> the issue with having ubuntu-2d session starting unity would be that there are some patches using DESKTOP_SESSION having to be rescope to use XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP
[09:57] <didrocks> I would have hope that we don't do that in a hurry :)
[09:58] <didrocks> oh on the bug:
[09:58] <didrocks>  - replace "XSession=ubuntu-2d" by "XSession=ubuntu"
[09:58] <didrocks> maybe that's what account services is using
[09:58] <didrocks> let me search for that one :)
[09:59] <didrocks> I see one! let's try :)
[10:01] <didrocks> no, that code isn't used :/
[10:01] <didrocks> I guess there is a second call to accountsservice at some point
[10:37] <chrisccoulson> g'ah, i hate compiz
[10:37] <chrisccoulson> brb
[11:10] <smspillaz> pitti: hey do you have that bug you filed yesterday handy ?
[11:11] <pitti> smspillaz: yes, bug bug 1063617
[11:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1063617 in compiz "1:0.9.8+bzr3319-0ubuntu1 regression: keeps setting gsettings keys to wrong values" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1063617
[11:12] <pitti> smspillaz: and hello, how are you?
[11:12] <smspillaz> cheerios
[11:12] <smspillaz> okaaayish
[11:12] <smspillaz> how are you ?
[11:12] <pitti> quite fine, just a bit tired
[11:12] <pitti> at least the bug is reproducible now
[11:12] <smspillaz> yeah strange for some reason I fixed something quite unrelated and can't get it anymore
[11:13] <smspillaz> I'm just going to revert my fix to the unrelated thing and check
[11:13] <smspillaz> I have a feeling I probably worked around it accidentally
[11:13] <pitti> smspillaz: it seems that something sets those gsettings keys after compiz evaluates them for its own config
[11:13] <smspillaz> right, it unsets them in fact
[11:13] <smspillaz> and its compiz doing it, I checked
[11:13] <smspillaz> but I wasn't sure why
[11:14] <pitti> smspillaz: maybe unset for some, but not for all
[11:14] <pitti> ['disabled']
[11:14] <smspillaz> right, just the integrated keys
[11:14] <pitti> that's not unset, that's set
[11:14] <pitti> the default is []
[11:14] <smspillaz> nah, its 'disabled'
[11:14] <smspillaz> I checked, its calling g_settings_reset
[11:14] <smspillaz> or whatever it is
[11:14] <jbicha> seb128: good morning, could you sponsor lp:ubuntu-docs?
[11:15] <pitti>     <key type="as" name="lower">
[11:15] <pitti>       <default>[]</default>
[11:15] <pitti>       <summary>Lower window below other windows</summary>
[11:15] <pitti>     </key>
[11:15] <pitti> smspillaz: ^
[11:15] <seb128> jbicha, hey, can do!
[11:15] <smspillaz> pitti: well, in any case, its compiz doing the setting of those keys :)
[11:16] <pitti> smspillaz: indeed; thanks in advance for looking at this!
[11:16] <smspillaz> np
[11:16] <smspillaz> its just taking me a while because I'm trying to figure out how to separate out of the bit of the code in question for test
[11:18] <pitti> smspillaz: I did a very simple check -- su to a fresh user, run dbus-launch xvfb-run bash, and the tried to alternate "compiz" with the gsettings set stuff
[11:18] <pitti> smspillaz: with that, compiz never changed any of the keys
[11:19] <pitti> but in that you can't run "unity" due to missing 3D stuff
[11:19] <pitti> it seems it needs some more environment
[11:21] <smspillaz> damn, I can't reproduce it anymore even with my old stack
[11:25] <pitti> smspillaz: you are trying with trunk or with current quantal?
[11:25] <smspillaz> trunk. I was able to get it yesterday with taht
[11:25] <smspillaz> *that
[11:25] <smspillaz> just hunting through the code to see where this could occurr anyways
[11:48] <mvo> glatzor: do you think  lp:~mvo/aptdaemon/lp1058038  is ok for a workaround for now? until the real python issue is fixed?
[11:51] <mvo> glatzor: eh, actually, there is no python fix (patch got rejected)
[11:55] <dpm> hey all, could someone help me with bug 1049025 ? It's been marked as Fix Released, but there hasn't been any upload that fixed the issue or an explanation about how and whether it's been actually fixed. I can still reproduce it, but I haven't got permissions to set it back to New. Could someone have a look at it, and if it makes sense, revert it to New?
[11:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1049025 in libreoffice "Can't select text/highlight using mouse" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1049025
[11:55] <dpm> Thanks
[11:55] <seb128> Sweetshark, ^
[11:55] <seb128> dpm, hey, how are you?
[11:56] <seb128> dpm, today is a good day to do upload with updated translations for things that don't use langpacks right?
[11:56] <dpm> hey seb128, yeah, today it's translations fest day :)
[11:56] <seb128> dpm, is there anything desktopish on that list out of those: shared-mime-info xdg-user-dirs language-selector update-notifier?
[11:57] <Laney> mvo: hey, how do I read this command-not-found data? (just to sanity check some entries?)
[11:57] <Laney> arch|component|binarypackage|executables,in,this,package?
[11:59] <dpm> seb128, I think that mostly covers it. The rest should be taken care of by the installer and docs teams. Here's the list, which we reduced to the most essential things: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TranslationDeadline - oh, an important one is also unity-firefox-extension, but I'm not sure who'll do the fetching and integration on that one. I've been talking to KenVandine and zaspire about that one
[11:59] <didrocks> seb128: oh oh, we are tuesday!
[11:59] <didrocks> seb128: early meeting reminder day :)
[11:59] <seb128> dpm, yeah, talk to kenvandine and,or chrisccoulson
[11:59] <mvo> Laney: yeah, exactly like this, sorry that its relatively large, there was a stale mirror on bignay that caused it to not update for a while
[12:00] <seb128> didrocks, thanks, too late, sent it this morning while you were playing with lightdm ;-)
[12:00] <Laney> np
[12:00] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, but it's not fair! :)
[12:00] <seb128> didrocks, :-p
[12:08] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: hey, I still see the chat button on, were there any progress on that front? :)
[12:09] <didrocks> also quick filter once more disappeared :/
[12:18] <seb128> desrt, hey
[12:29] <smspillaz> pitti: ugh, yeah this thing is going to take me about a week
[12:29] <smspillaz> just figuring out how to get the tests in place
[12:29] <smspillaz> the original integration code from the gconf days was not well thought out
[12:32] <seb128> smspillaz, can't you do a quick fix for quantal and then refactor and test in trunk?
[12:38] <smspillaz> seb128: not reallly, the fix itself is actually quite complex
[12:39] <smspillaz> I need to make the backend smarter about handling cases where an integrated key has one vaue and a compiz key has another
[12:39] <smspillaz> refactoring for test isn't a problem. I can get tests in place right now actually
[12:39] <smspillaz> so yeah, the fix is complicated, testing it not so much
[12:39] <seb128> ok
[12:39] <seb128> well I guess that will be for a SRU at best then...
[12:40] <smspillaz> isn't it desktop infrastructure freeze ?
[12:40] <seb128> no, today is hard freeze
[12:40]  * smspillaz was thinking of taking a holiday soon
[12:40] <didrocks> I wonder if the switch + revert that Mirv experienced in compiz isn't due to that ^
[12:40] <seb128> desktop infra freeze was last week
[12:41] <smspillaz> didrocks: eh, the integration code is a bit fragile really
[12:41] <seb128> smspillaz, well take your holidays when you feel like doing that, you shouldn't look to much at bugs and such for that
[12:42] <seb128> smspillaz, that bug while annoying is not a release blocker and it can wait a few extra weeks
[12:42] <smspillaz> yeah
[12:42] <smspillaz> I might just submit the fix for not writing out plugins-with-set-keys all the time now
[12:42] <didrocks> smspillaz: yeah, we only saw it with compiz and ted was blaming dconf, but I think that can be the real cause :)
[12:42] <didrocks> anyway, no hurry I think
[12:42] <smspillaz> since that was getting in the way of me debugging it
[12:43] <smspillaz> didrocks: well, I think I know what it is. I think there's a case where if you have a compiz key set to $X and an integrated key set to $Y (eg, through the migration script or whatever), if something triggers an update notification on the compiz key it will overwrite the gnome key
[12:43] <didrocks> smspillaz: yeah, hence the "it reverted to the previous value"
[12:43] <didrocks> more than possible
[12:43] <smspillaz> since I can definitely see a case where that can happen
[12:44] <didrocks> makes sense
[12:44] <smspillaz> in any case, I need to make it so that gnome keys have priority over this stuff, although I only want reading an inconsistent compiz key to reset the compiz key back to the gnome key when its inconsistent with the gnome key and not every time the key is read
[12:45] <smspillaz> and that isn't exactly straightforward to do at the moment
[12:46] <seb128> smspillaz, how come e.g pitti gets those keys having different values?
[12:46] <seb128> he seems to hit the bug randomly without doing config changes
[12:46] <Mirv> might be that the switch + revert was indeed the case sam was mentioning
[12:53] <didrocks> Mirv: I think so, we only saw it on compiz keys, right?
[12:53] <didrocks> Mirv: never on the default launcher or anything else IIRC
[13:01] <Mirv> didrocks: yes, only on a couple of compiz keys
[13:42] <Sweetshark> dpm: Could you try it with the ubuntu-proposed version? I set the bug back to fix commited, bug 1049025 comment 15 seemed to have been a bit overambitioned when setting it to released.
[13:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1049025 in libreoffice "Can't select text/highlight using mouse" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1049025
[13:43] <dpm> Sweetshark, I just did after I noticed 3.6.2 in -proposed, and it seems to have fixed it \o/
[13:44] <dpm> I'll add a comment to the bug
[13:44] <Sweetshark> dpm: and please also do some prayers that 1:3.6.2~rc2-0ubuntu3 finishes on armhf
[13:45]  * dpm lights up some candles
[14:00] <seb128> mvo, hey, do you plan an update-notifier upload before release (asking before looking at if it needs an upload for translations update)
[14:04] <mvo> seb128: not currently but I can look at this later today hopefully
[14:04] <seb128> mvo, do you want me to look at it? (do you have clever magic or do you just download a .po set from launchpad and rename,copy them manually)?
[14:05] <mvo> seb128: just download from LP and use "mmv"
[14:05] <mvo> seb128: but I guess nowdays it would make sense to use a LP i18n branch nowdays I guess, not sure why we don't do that :/
[14:06] <seb128> mvo, "mmv"? /me learns a new command
[14:06] <seb128> mvo, yeah, I was thinking the same, I just don't want to experiment with that feature today
[14:06] <mvo>        mmv - move/copy/append/link multiple files by wildcard patterns
[14:06] <mvo> seb128: :)
[14:06] <seb128> mvo, want me to do the update-notifier update? I did some others already, I can do it as well
[14:06] <mvo> seb128: I'm in various calls today, so if you have time that would be cool, if not I will do my best
[14:07] <seb128> mvo, oh ok, I use rename ... rename s#language-selector-## *.po
[14:07] <seb128> mvo, works as well ;-)
[14:07] <seb128> mvo, will do it, thanks
[14:07] <mvo> seb128: aha, nice - learned a new command, i used mmv, seems like they are doing roughly the same
[14:10] <glatzor> mvo, the patch was rejected by upstream?
[14:10] <mvo> glatzor: yes, they said *never* change the fsencoding after starting
[14:11] <mvo> glatzor: because of stuff like sys.path that gets initialized very early and if that is is in a different encoding on startup than its later things will fail
[14:14] <didrocks> mterry: hey, how are you?
[14:14] <mterry> didrocks, hello!  good
[14:15] <didrocks> mterry: great! I hope it will still be good, we noticed a regression in lightdm in the way session transition is handled :)
[14:15] <didrocks> mterry: you know that we remove the ubuntu-2d session I guess :)
[14:15] <didrocks> and I used the same trick (and it was working around FF) so that "if session == ubuntu-2d -> session = ubuntu"
[14:16] <didrocks> seems it doesn't work anymore and the logs still shows it's trying to open (and fail) the ubuntu-2d session if this is what you last logged with
[14:16] <mterry> Hmm
[14:16] <mterry> Seems bd
[14:16] <mterry> bad
[14:16] <didrocks> it is :/
[14:17] <mterry> This is your bug 1059137
[14:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1059137 in lightdm "Cannot login after un upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10 (ubuntu-2d)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1059137
[14:17] <didrocks> I tried to poke a little bit at it, looking at where the dmrc was loaded and what was executed, but I'm afraid to miss some cases like autologin and so on
[14:17] <didrocks> mterry: exactly, please look at my comment: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1059137/comments/21
[14:17] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1059137 in lightdm "Cannot login after un upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10 (ubuntu-2d)" [High,Confirmed]
[14:17] <didrocks> I bet that the account services is coming into play
[14:17] <lamalex> chrisccoulson, have you tried to set up a canonical mail account with the thunderbird in Q?
[14:19] <mterry> didrocks, will look into this; I wish robert_ancell were online
[14:20] <didrocks> mterry: thanks! yeah, it's really something which will be good to sneak in :)
[14:21] <mterry> didrocks, ooh, I'm guessing we just have to patch the accounts service bit in the same file
[14:21] <mterry> didrocks, looks like you didn't happen to try that
[14:21] <mterry> didrocks, load_accounts_service in user.c
[14:21] <seb128> mterry, hey, how are you? had a good W.E? did you visit Boston Summit?
[14:22] <mterry> seb128, yeah, briefly
[14:22] <mterry> seb128, was nice to see desrt and jbicha and other people that I recognized but did not remember the names of  :)
[14:22] <didrocks> mterry: oh right, this can work
[14:23] <didrocks> mterry: I'm still puzzled that we are using .dmrc and this service :)
[14:23] <seb128> mterry, hehe ... let's see if you will remember them next time ;-)
[14:23] <seb128> mterry, you need to come to GUADEC for an harder challenge :p
[14:23] <mterry> didrocks, I know...  It's because not all desktop environments that lightdm supports support dmrc
[14:23] <mterry> seb128, I will not.  My mind is a sieve for names
[14:23] <didrocks> mterry: want to give it a shot at patching this one?
[14:23] <mterry> seb128, unless they have name tags at GUADEC...?
[14:23] <didrocks> mterry: it's still time for finale :)
[14:24] <seb128> mterry, they do ;-)
[14:24] <didrocks> (the gates are closing, but we can push it! :p)
[14:24] <mterry> didrocks, sure, is there a trivial way to test it without actually doing an upgrade?  tell accounts service I'm unity-2d?
[14:24] <didrocks> mterry: what I did is cp the ubuntu.desktop to ubuntu-2d.desktop
[14:25] <didrocks> then log in
[14:25] <didrocks> then, getting on ui :p Ctrl + alt + t (compiz is running)
[14:25] <didrocks> gnome-session-quit
[14:25] <mterry> ah ok
[14:25] <didrocks> and done! I logged once! :)
[14:26] <seb128> mterry, didrocks: I did it using d-feet
[14:27] <seb128> mterry, just go to org.freedesktop.Accounts User1000 (or your id), .User -> SetXSession
[14:27] <mterry> yup
[14:28] <didrocks> better to ensure you are in a real state, no?
[14:28] <didrocks> like with dmrc + account services :)
[14:28] <seb128> well I edited both
[14:28] <didrocks> I'm afraid of bad surprises :p
[14:28] <didrocks> ok ;)
[14:28] <seb128> that worked in my vm for testing
[14:40] <mterry> seb128, didrocks: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1269350/ seemed to work for me
[14:40] <didrocks> mterry: \o/
[14:41] <mterry> didrocks, I'll push now anyway for time reasons, but if you could double confirm, I'd appreciate it (unless you're super busy, but when has that ever been true, amiright?)
[14:41] <seb128> mterry, excellent
[14:41] <didrocks> mterry: can do, one sec
[14:41] <didrocks> mterry: so you remove the dmrc part?
[14:42] <mterry> didrocks, no
[14:42] <seb128> mterry, busy?  us? never...
[14:42] <didrocks> mterry: you do from the patch :)
[14:42] <mterry> didrocks, I just move the code to a function that runs both the dmrc and accountsservice bits
[14:42] <didrocks> ok :)
[14:42] <didrocks>      load_dmrc (user);
[14:42] <didrocks>      load_accounts_service (user); // overrides dmrc values
[14:42] <didrocks> -> no kidding why it was overriden :p
[14:43] <mterry> :)
[14:44] <didrocks> testing, brb
[14:48] <didrocks> mterry: it seems to excellently work! :)
[14:48] <mterry> didrocks, yay!  Sorry I broke your patch.  I wasn't aware of it at the time
[14:49] <didrocks> mterry: no worry, we got it sorted before finale, that's already a start :)
[14:49] <seb128> I wonder of mterry and desrt are making a joined effort to break didrocks' code in turn
[14:49] <didrocks> yeah
[14:49] <didrocks> it's a plague :)
[14:49] <didrocks> they try it and play with it :)
[15:00] <Laney> subject: [ubuntu/quantal] webkit 1.10.0-0ubuntu1 (Accepted)
[15:00] <Laney> \o/
[15:02] <bcurtiswx> anyone here who uses two monitors try dragging a window to maximize on the rightmost monitor
[15:03] <bcurtiswx> mine always goes to the leftmost monitor
[15:04] <bcurtiswx> my setup is main monitor on left side
[15:05] <popey> bcurtiswx, your monitors are different sizes?
[15:05] <bcurtiswx> popey, yes
[15:06] <popey> bcurtiswx, and it incorrectly maximises on the smaller one?
[15:06] <Laney> oh yeah I've had that
[15:06] <popey> Bug #947025
[15:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 947025 in ayatana-design "Windows maximize on the wrong monitor (dup-of: 751605)" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/947025
[15:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 751605 in compiz "Multi-monitor - Windows maximize on the wrong monitor" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/751605
[15:06] <Laney> I think it's when the window unmaximises and is bigger than the target monitor
[15:06] <popey> annoying++
[15:06] <Laney> it pings back to where it came from
[15:06] <bcurtiswx> popey, thx :)
[15:06] <popey> it just needs to overhang the small monitor a tiny bit
[15:07] <popey> most annoying bug in 12.04 for me
[15:07] <bcurtiswx> Ah i see that overhang..
[15:08] <Laney> I don't see that it has to go onto the second monitor
[15:08] <Laney> going off the screen /at all/ (usually at the bottom) does it here
[15:11] <mterry> seb128, what about bug 1059576 ?
[15:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1059576 in unity-firefox-extension "Integration script prompt leads to untrusted download" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1059576
[15:11] <mterry> or maybe I should ask kenvandine ? ^
[15:11] <seb128> mterry, yeah, better to ask ken
[15:11] <mterry> Bugging the heck out of me
[15:11] <seb128> mterry, of go directly to the webapps guys and check it's planned on their list for today
[15:12] <kenvandine> mterry, where are you seeing that?
[15:12] <kenvandine> you shouldn't see any prompt
[15:12] <kenvandine> that was fixed in aptdaemon over the weekend
[15:12] <mterry> kenvandine, right after clicking "Install" when prompted by firefox
[15:12]  * mterry checks if updates are available
[15:13] <kenvandine> and why would universe be untrusted?
[15:13] <Laney> speaking of webapps, did mdeslaur's security concerns get addressed?
[15:13] <kenvandine> yes
[15:13] <mterry> seb128, I did yesterday, but not response yet
[15:13] <kenvandine> Laney, ^^
[15:13] <Laney> great
[15:13] <seb128> mterry, yesterday was an US holiday so some of the guys were missing, try again?
[15:13] <mterry> kenvandine, am I using the wrong site?  I've been testing with gmail
[15:13] <kenvandine> mterry, those packages come from universe
[15:14] <kenvandine> mterry, it is installing a package from universe, not actually downloading anything from the web
[15:15] <mterry> kenvandine, yeah, I have the aptdaemon with the supposed fix
[15:15] <kenvandine> and you've restarted?
[15:15] <mterry> kenvandine, yeah
[15:15] <mterry> kenvandine, so it works for you?
[15:15] <kenvandine> yes
[15:15] <mterry> :-/
[15:15] <kenvandine> finally
[15:15] <mterry> I'll talk to webapps guys
[15:16] <kenvandine> but regardless, i am confused why it says untrusted for you
[15:16] <kenvandine> even if you get prompted, why would packages from universe be untrusted?
[15:16] <kenvandine> mterry, apt-cache policy unity-webapps-launchpad
[15:16] <kenvandine> mterry, make sure the candidate is from universe
[15:16] <mterry> kenvandine, uninstalled, from universse
[15:17] <mterry> same for the gmail one
[15:17] <kenvandine> ok, so whatever is making it think it is untrusted
[15:17] <kenvandine> is probably the same reason you are getting prompted
[15:17] <kenvandine> the aptdaemon whitelist stuff has some protection
[15:18] <kenvandine> the whitelist is for unity-webapps-* from universe
[15:19] <kenvandine> mterry, if you install unity-webapps-launchpad with apt-get
[15:19] <kenvandine> does it prompt you for an untrusted package?
[15:21] <didrocks> launchpad & youtube doesn't work for me
[15:22] <didrocks> (the webapps integration)
[15:22] <kenvandine> :(
[15:22] <didrocks> gmail does work
[15:22] <kenvandine> didrocks, flaky...
[15:22] <didrocks> yeah :/
[15:22] <didrocks> ah, g+ appeared and not no…
[15:22] <didrocks> now*
[15:23] <didrocks> waow
[15:23] <didrocks> let me screenrecord that
[15:33] <didrocks> http://people.canonical.com/~didrocks/tmp/open_gmail_through_indicator_message.ogv
[15:33] <seb128> kenvandine, didrocks, chrisccoulson, Ursinha, Laney, mlankhorst, cyphermox, mterry, tkamppeter, robru: it's meeting time, if anyone has a topic (none on the wiki so far), also please update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2012-10-09 with things you worked on this week for those who didn't write anything yet
[15:34] <kenvandine> meeting time already...
[15:40] <mterry> These meetings get so fast after FF  :)
[15:41] <didrocks> mterry: want to make it longer so that you get for your money? :p
[15:42] <mterry> didrocks, I think we've experimented plenty with longer feature periods  :)
[15:42] <didrocks> heh ;)
[15:48] <GunnarHj> seb128: Hi Sebastien!
[15:48] <GunnarHj> seb128: jbicha and I have talked quite a lot about bug 1035219, but not agreed on anything yet. This is from yesterday: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gunnarhj/jbicha-gunnarhj-gnome-disc-121008.txt
[15:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1035219 in baltix "In System Settings preference tool/keyboard layouts page automaticaly wrong language selectedGNOME" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1035219
[15:48] <GunnarHj> seb128: Maybe you can help decide which one of us is the most obstinate. ;-)
[15:49] <seb128> GunnarHj, hey ;-)
[15:51] <seb128> GunnarHj, well, I think that if one of the GNOME "remix" flavors want to have a broken functionality it's their call at the end...
[15:51] <seb128> GunnarHj, we should really go with the upstream UI and make it work next cycle, I hope we can have good discussion at UDS about that
[15:53] <GunnarHj> seb128: Agree on both. But it disturbs me that the broken functionality affect also those who didn't use the Remix ISO.
[15:54] <seb128> GunnarHj, right it's not the default desktop though and language-selector is still installed and you can easily run it on an Ubuntu install with GNOME added
[15:54] <seb128> GunnarHj, it's only the GNOME remix which misses it
[15:58] <seb128> dpm, still around?
[15:58] <dpm> seb128, yes
[15:58] <seb128> dpm, do you remember if something in the yelp stack need langpack exports as well?
[15:59] <seb128> it used to be the case but I think it was when we customized the start page from there
[16:00] <GunnarHj> seb128: Please note that if you install standard Ubuntu and then the gnome-session-fallback package and then pick one of the GNOME session options when logging in, the Keyboard Layout capplet includes tabs that don't work properly. That's what the bug is about.
[16:00] <dpm> seb128, I think you're right, we don't need to do those exports anymore, but let me check with kelemengabor, he's pretty clued up about these things
[16:01] <seb128> GunnarHj, right, it has potential to confuse some users but:
[16:01] <seb128> - it's not the default desktop
[16:01] <dpm> seb128, hm, he's not online, but I think I'm pretty certain that we don't need the yelp exports
[16:01] <seb128> - it's well hidden in some system settings pane
[16:01] <seb128> - language selector is still available for those users and work
[16:02] <seb128> dpm, ok, I think it's not needed either, if you check and it turns out to be needed let me know tomorrow and we can try to sneak that in still
[16:02] <seb128> GunnarHj, so I don't like it much but at the same time it's not the only issue we have and it's not the end of the world...
[16:02] <dpm> seb128, ack, thanks
[16:02] <seb128> GunnarHj, we should fix that for good next cycle though
[16:02] <seb128> dpm, thank you! ;-)
[16:03] <GunnarHj> seb128: True, it's not the most serious bug you can think of. Still annoying (and unnecessary, I think). Well, well...
[16:04] <seb128> GunnarHj, I could write a book about annoying bugs existing in Ubuntu ;-)
[16:04] <GunnarHj> seb128: Unfortunately I believe you. :(
[16:19] <pitti> don't we call that bugs.lp.net?
[16:22] <seb128> pitti, that's not a book, that's an encyclopedia rather
[16:30] <kenvandine> that's more like a library
[16:30] <kenvandine> :-D
[16:32] <seb128> kenvandine, well, since it *includes* a library it's probably bigger than that ;-)
[17:49] <bcurtiswx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1269690/
[17:52] <seb128> bcurtiswx, hi
[17:52] <bcurtiswx> seb128, hi
[17:53] <seb128> bcurtiswx, that would be something for mvo (or maybe chrisccoulson)
[17:53] <seb128> though I updated update-notifier but only for translations, there is no code change in that diff
[17:54] <bcurtiswx> hmm
[17:56] <bcurtiswx> seb128, maybe it was a bad timing on my part, i tried another update/upgrade and it cured itself
[19:14] <cyphermox> moo
[19:15] <cyphermox> disregard me, I was just being laggy
[19:16] <chrisccoulson> moo? that's the sound i like to hear from my steak
[19:18] <seb128> chrisccoulson, lol
[19:18] <chrisccoulson> :)
[19:18] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I hope they have something else than fish in Copenhagen ;-)
[19:20] <mdeslaur> ugh, fish, yuck
[19:21] <seb128> exactly!
[19:30] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, me too ;)
[19:30] <chrisccoulson> i don't think i could survive a UDS week without eating steak at least once
[19:30] <chrisccoulson> although, i have to eat small steaks now ;)
[19:30] <seb128> chrisccoulson, count on the steak^Wteam dinner, I'm sure Jason will do what is humanly possible for it ;-)
[19:31] <mdeslaur> mmmm....steak...
[19:31] <chrisccoulson> :)
[19:37] <cyphermox> mmm.. steak
[19:38] <cyphermox> I can't ever get good steak in Quebec, somehow
[20:00] <seb128> robert_ancell, hey, you suck ... just saying ;-)
[20:00] <robert_ancell> seb128, oh, nice to see you too
[20:01] <seb128> robert_ancell, ;-)
[20:01] <seb128> robert_ancell, there package, take that one tarball you had to update, you will get quite some more work, enjoy
[20:01] <seb128> ;-)
[20:01] <seb128> there packagers*
[20:01] <robert_ancell> ?
[20:02] <seb128> robert_ancell, the gnome-games split
[20:02] <robert_ancell> oh
[20:02] <seb128> hate when something easy to build is becoming a stack of sources
[20:03] <robert_ancell> or being much more consistent with everything else
[20:03] <seb128> yeah, I hated when gnome-utils did it as well, that's consistent :p
[20:03] <robert_ancell> are you going to tell me you liked GNOME2 better as well ;)
[20:03] <robert_ancell> damn kids making progress. get off my lawn!
[20:04] <seb128> well, GNOME2 was alright, nothing compared to GNOME1 though
[20:04] <seb128> ;-)
[20:04] <robert_ancell> pff, you should have seen GNOME0
[20:04] <seb128> oh, kids listen, grandpa is talking
[20:04] <seb128> ;-)
[20:04] <robert_ancell> seb128, so I see you broke telepathy
[20:05] <seb128> what? me? never
[20:05] <czajkowski> seb128: surely never breaks anything :)
[20:05] <seb128> robert_ancell, ^ see!
[20:05] <robert_ancell> It makes me feel less bad about breaking things when I see seb doing it too
[20:05] <seb128> robert_ancell, I ask for proofs
[20:06] <robert_ancell> it floated to the top of errors.ubuntu.com and you were the last uploader
[20:06] <seb128> nah
[20:06] <robert_ancell> sure I didn't dig much further
[20:06] <seb128> yeah, it's desrt/slangasek's fault
[20:06] <robert_ancell> hah, redirected blame!
[20:07] <seb128> it's the XDG_RUNTIME_DIR stuff not playing nicely with apparmor
[20:11] <desrt> hi.
[20:11] <desrt> apparmor is not my fault :)
[20:12] <seb128> desrt, well, apparmor didn't like that libdconf tries to open the db in RW OCREATE
[20:12] <desrt> it doesn't.
[20:12] <desrt> it opens a shared memory region as such
[20:13] <desrt> and it always did that...
[20:13] <desrt> but because some path changed due to a complicated system change that applications have absolutely no business even knowing the existence of, the apparmor rules need to be rewritten
[20:14] <seb128> they have been,are
[20:14] <desrt> good :)
[20:18] <Sweetsha1k> seb128: armhf did successfully build.
[20:19] <seb128> Sweetsha1k, \o/
[20:19]  * Sweetsha1k disperses all the evil demons lurking around waiting to cause me coronary attacks.
[20:20] <Sweetsha1k> seb128: Java JIT compiliation is lame, look at LibreOffice packages on Ubuntu. Thats were true (black) magic happens. </sarc>
[20:22] <Sweetsha1k> ogra_: thanks for taking care of bug 1062448 on ubuntu-meta.
[20:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1062448 in ubuntu-meta "soffice.bin crashed with SIGSEGV in lucene::index::IndexFileNames::fileNameFromGeneration()" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1062448
[20:24]  * Sweetsha1k will then proceed to award himself some nice builder for the next cycle. Ordering a 2*opteron6272/32GB RAM machine tomorrow.
[21:05] <TheMuso> seb128: Thanks for your action on bug 1056300
[21:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1056300 in ubiquity "If a GTK application quits the main loop and restarts it again, accessibility is lost." [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1056300
[21:06] <seb128> TheMuso, hey, how are you?
[21:06] <seb128> TheMuso, yw
[21:06] <seb128> TheMuso, thanks for tracking the commit down ;-)
[21:21] <mterry_> robert_ancell, is there a tests/data/remote-sessions directory that you forgot to commit to lightdm bzr?
[21:22] <robert_ancell> mterry_, on trunk?
[21:23] <mterry_> robert_ancell, oh on trunk I see it.  Hm
[21:30] <TheMuso> seb128: No problem.
[21:30] <TheMuso> And I am well thanks.
[23:01] <jono> Sweetsha1k, hey
[23:01] <jono> Sweetsha1k, are you getting no menus in LO?
[23:44] <bcurtiswx> jono, libreoffice? want me to check mine?
[23:46] <jono> bcurtiswx, sure
[23:46] <jono> that would be great
[23:46] <bcurtiswx> jono, any specific one. like writer, calc?
[23:46] <bcurtiswx> writer has menu's
[23:48] <bcurtiswx> jono, the main window has menu's and so does calc
[23:48] <jono> bcurtiswx, neither seems to work for me
[23:48] <bcurtiswx> libreoffice-writer: Installed: 1:3.6.2~rc2-0ubuntu3
[23:48] <jono> bcurtiswx, aha, it seems Impress doesnt for me
[23:48] <jono> but Writer does
[23:49] <jono> can you try Impress?
[23:49] <bcurtiswx> jono, Impress menu's work
[23:49] <jono> odd
[23:50] <jono> now it works
[23:50] <jono> it seems like a focus issue for me
[23:50] <bcurtiswx> unity issue then?
[23:50] <jono> seems soi
[23:50] <jono> so
[23:51] <jono> thanks bcurtiswx
[23:51] <bcurtiswx> jono, yw


[00:25] <akk_> It's snowy up on skyline! http://akkana.com/images/russian-snow-360.jpg
[02:28] <nhaines> pleia2: thanks!  looks good.  :)
[05:12] <nhaines> My photographer did one heck of a job on my portrait today.
[05:12]  * nhaines should remember to give him a raise.
[16:11] <nhaines> jono: good morning!
[16:13] <jono> hey nhaines
[16:13] <jono> morning! :-)
[16:13] <jono> hows things?
[16:16] <jamiedmattingly> morning everyone
[16:17] <nhaines> jono: not too bad.  Got my slides in for SCaLE and Ubucon is looking really good... going to launch ubucon.org tonight I hope.
[16:18] <jono> cool :-)
[16:21] <MarkDude> aaditya, when are you planning on driving to Scale?
[17:40] <iheartubuntu> pleias2 sorry i have not yet finished. will be done tonite.
[17:40] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: no worries, thanks :)
[17:41] <iheartubuntu> BTW... I could not figure out what distro of linux, but Lowes hardware is using linux on many of their machines. It sorta of looks like Redhat but i dont see a red hat. I also see a firefox icon and a calculator icon on the bottom bar.
[17:42] <iheartubuntu> possible rain this coming weekend for 3 or 4 days straight during SCALE.
[17:43] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: yeah, they've been using it since 2002 or so (afaik it's their own spin on a version of redhat)
[17:43] <pleia2> a guy I know interviewed there for a linux job
[17:45] <iheartubuntu> smart business decision :)
[17:45] <iheartubuntu> MUST SAVE TONS OF MONEY
[17:45] <iheartubuntu> whoops
[17:45] <akk> Neat! Is this on their pay-point machines at the checkout line?
[17:45] <iheartubuntu> their checkout machines dont look the same to me
[17:46] <iheartubuntu> i notice it on computers in each dept.... like the window section, the piping section, etc
[17:47] <akk> Oh, cool, I haven't used those ... now I need to go back there so I can look. :)
[17:47] <pleia2> akk: yeah, the regular POS systems use it too (the self-checkouts don't afaik, those are bought from some 3rd party company)
[17:47] <nhaines> pleia2: your picture will soon be on SCaLE's website.  :)
[17:48] <pleia2> nhaines: yay! are you considering using the domain for other ubucons around the world?
[17:48] <nhaines> pleia2: that's the plan, yes.
[17:48] <pleia2> cool :)
[17:48] <nhaines> It made deploying for this Ubucon take longer but we're trying to keep URLs permanent.  :)
[17:48] <iheartubuntu> the pic with the pony tails i hope
[17:48] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: haha
[17:48]  * iheartubuntu did NOT just say that
[17:49] <nhaines> pleia2: I'm sorry I digitally removed the head of the guy next to you.  I'm sure he's very nice. :)
[17:49] <pleia2> nhaines: haha, thanks
[17:51] <nhaines> My portrait turned out really nice.  https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale9x/speakers/nathan-haines
[17:51] <pleia2> oh that's great
[17:53] <MarkDude> Good pic nhaines
[17:53] <nhaines> pleia2: thanks!  David and I ran around Cabrillo Beach yesterday trying to find good lighting and a suitable background.
[17:53] <aaditya> As much as I'd love to attend, I'll end up missing SCALE 9x.
[17:54] <nhaines> aaditya: we'll miss you.
[17:54] <aaditya> It'd be an awesome event I'm sure.
[17:55] <MarkDude> Why no you there aaditya ?
[17:55] <aaditya> family's plans have been changing wildly, so things got a bit chaotic here.
[17:56] <MarkDude> ok
[18:00] <aaditya> pleia2: I'll cancel my registration so that someone else could use the code... assuming that's how it works.
[18:00] <pleia2> aaditya: ok, thanks, I'll make note of it
[18:02]  * MarkDude can use it for Chris- he is most likely going
[18:03] <pleia2> MarkDude: is he volunteering at our booth?
[18:04] <MarkDude> Possibly, if he is not then it would not apply :)
[18:04] <MarkDude> Goes without saying
[18:05] <pleia2> ok, well have him email me if he decides to be one of our core volunteers, I can get him the info
[18:05] <iheartubuntu> anyone plan to make copies of these flyers, ca team/ubuntu info, and cd sleeves? i can print a bunch in b/w
[18:05] <pleia2> otherwise the UBUCA code will get him half off :)
[18:06] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: I was planning to print a bunch of the 4-to-a-page fliers on orange paper, maybe 100
[18:07] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: please update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x with what you end up printing :)
[18:11] <iheartubuntu> i originally tried to convert one of the SVGs to black and white, but it screwed it up :) and i ran out of time to figure it out
[18:12] <pleia2> yeah, you'll just want to use our regular B&W logo, it looks really slick when printed
[18:12] <pleia2> some printers are lousy at greyscale, so I don't really like to use it
[18:13] <aaditya> pleia2: I'm unable to find my registration on the website. Please let me know if there's an action required on my part, alright?
[18:13] <pleia2> aaditya: you'll probably need to contact scale
[18:14] <pleia2> there should be a contact page or something that will allow you to email them to cancel your registration
[18:14] <aaditya> alright, I'll shoot them an email
[18:14] <pleia2> thanks
[18:15] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x edited
[18:16] <aaditya> There isn't an email address on the only "contact us" page that I found, though there
[18:16] <aaditya>  s a mailing list.
[18:17] <aaditya> (how did I manage to hit enter instead of single quote?)
[18:17] <pleia2> aaditya: http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale9x/committees
[18:18] <pleia2> I'd email operations
[18:18] <aaditya> oh wait, email addresses are hidden in links!
[18:18] <pleia2> yeah, they're mailto: links
[18:26] <aaditya> pleia2: done, cc'ed you.
[18:28] <pleia2> aaditya: thanks :)
[18:28] <aaditya> you're welcome :)
[18:30] <pleia2> and sorry you can't make it!
[19:02]  * iheartubuntu is stepping away to do the Thriller dance


[04:31] <AaronF> can someone remind me what the dev channel name is?
[05:49] <MauroGaspari[m]> <AaronF "can someone remind me what the d"> #ubuntustudio-devel
[05:50] <Eickmeyer[m]> AaronF: Are you wishing to collaborate/join, or do you have a question
[12:58] <sakrecoer[b]> OvenWerks i Love you so much! that tip about duplicating regions <3
[12:59] <sakrecoer[b]> i didn't getvit at first, because i had disabled the setting to keep transformation across duplication as unfa recommends to do
[12:59] <sakrecoer[b]> but with it enabled, duplication is exactly like looping
[12:59] <sakrecoer[b]> \o/
[13:00] <sakrecoer[b]> well... "unfa recommends"... not that i think anything would be his fault, just to be clear lol
[13:03] <sakrecoer[b]> anyways, now the fun is back wuhu!
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[16:34] <Eickmeyer[m]> Souler: We appreciate the link, but this channel is for support only, not self-promotion. Feel free to talk about anything other than support queries in #ubuntustudio-offtopic.
[16:40] <Souler> ok, sorry...
[18:14] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer[b]: Unfa does wild and wonderful things with Ardour. What he recomends would secific to a particular workflow he is explaining at the time.
[18:15] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer[b]: no setting is best for everything, that is why there are settings... so they can be changed
[18:27] <sakrecoer[b]> very true @freenode_OvenWerks:matrix.org and one got to know what can change and how for that
[18:28] <wonko> OvenWerks: pulseaudio is being *really* wonky. :(
[18:28] <sakrecoer[b]> hmm... i wonder if this matrix client renders IRC user bames correctly...
[18:28] <sakrecoer[b]> names even
[18:58] <OvenWerks> wonko: wonky? how so? with jack running (via studio-controls) or not?
[18:58] <wonko> No jack currently, just doing everything with ALSA/pulseaudio
[18:58] <wonko> as soon as I turn the AF4 on pulse just gets completely jammed up
[18:59] <wonko> apps (youtube, etc) that require an audio device stop working
[18:59] <wonko> if I turn the AF4 back off it stays jammed up
[18:59] <wonko> I can't kill pulseaudio
[18:59] <wonko> I need to log out and back in
[19:00] <OvenWerks> I have not had success with turning on/ plugging in the af after boot. It has not hurt pulse.... but then I don't run pulse without jack on my system besides checking that it works.
[19:01] <OvenWerks> the correct way to kill pulseaudio is to run pulseaudio -k... which should also restart it. if that doesn't work then killall -9 pulseaudio
[19:03] <OvenWerks> turning the AF on after boot doesn't hurt jack because jack is already running on some other device. However switching to the af that is turned on after boot does not seem to work.
[19:09] <wonko> I had to kill -9 it but then it hangs in defunct until I relog
[19:10] <wonko> ok, so back to jack (FFADO) and then reboot again after the config to see where it gets?
[19:16] <wonko> ok, and we're back to jack not behaving correctly again
[19:16] <wonko> fire up jack. all is good.
[19:16] <wonko> jack_lsp shows the AF4
[19:16] <wonko> but now it's back to the can't connect thing from before
[19:16] <wonko> and I haven't started Carla, so that's not it. :)
[19:24] <wonko> The other thing too is the autojack.log and what qjackctl logs are completely different: https://gist.github.com/bhechinger/a48b05e0c4f869ce63baae250b0bc83b
[19:57] <OvenWerks> wonko: actually, what qjackctl shows is ~/.log/jack/jackdbus.log
[19:58] <wonko> ah, ok, good to know
[19:59] <OvenWerks> and what it shows is that the chain made of fw card/cable/af has stopped working at some point and jack has not dealt with it well... Actually jack doesn't deal well with any audio device vanishing
[20:00] <wonko> Could it be a bad audio device?
[20:00] <OvenWerks> either bad audio device, bad cable or bad fw card
[20:00] <wonko> I hope it's not the audio device. :(
[20:01] <wonko> is there another way to check this?
[20:01] <OvenWerks> I think swap things out is it.
[20:01] <wonko> Ok, guess I'll start with the cable.
[20:08] <OvenWerks> In my case, I was pretty sure the af was ok. So got some other cards with different chip set. They also came with their own cables but the cables were not compatable with anything I had so I had to use the same cable :P
[20:10] <OvenWerks> so anyway, I got frustrated because I didn't know if something I had was not supported by sw, or waht was up and I didn't want to spend more.
[20:11] <OvenWerks> but after a while I thought that maybe I would at least try another cable and while I was at it try a cable that used a different socket on the card.  That way I can mess around with the AF4 and jack without having to screw up my normal audio for the time being.
[20:46] <wonko> Oh, I think I've figured it out. :)
[20:46] <wonko> let's try
[20:48] <wonko> ok, that didn't work quite as expected. :)
[21:08] <wonko> Things that are definitely different from before I re-installed 20.04 is ffado-test Discover works without hanging
[21:31] <wonko> https://gist.github.com/bhechinger/35915015b2f90920f1a5f40849a81995
[21:31] <wonko> fresh reboot
[21:31] <wonko> start jack
[21:31] <wonko> run jack_lsp three time
[21:31] <wonko> first two work, third doesn't
[21:32] <wonko> This time now ffado-test Discover is hanging
[21:32] <wonko> bah
[21:50] <OvenWerks> what frame size are you using?
[21:53] <OvenWerks> wonko: BTW, I wouold "blacklist"/"hide" you webcam in studio-controls.
[21:54] <OvenWerks> The zita that connects that is src from 24k to 48k anyway and I assume you are not using it.
[21:54] <OvenWerks> though it looks like you have USB bridge turned off in the last paste I saw
[22:00] <wonko> I killed the pulse bridges and blacklisted everything except the AF4
[22:00] <wonko> I didn't think I disabled the USB bridge, but who knows. :)
[22:00] <wonko> 32 on the frame size, 2 periods
[22:01] <OvenWerks> try 64 for a while or 32/3 see if it makes a difference
[22:01] <wonko> There, unchecked bridge usb devices
[22:03] <wonko> so far so good
[22:03] <wonko> what should I do next?
[22:03] <wonko> I dont' want to do something like start carla and break everything. :)
[22:04] <wonko> or, screw it and start carla and see what happens? :-D
[22:06] <wonko> actually, carla is looking good so far
[22:06] <OvenWerks> farme 32 with 2 periods may not work, try at least 32/3 but maybe 64/2 would at least tell you if that was the problem
[22:06] <wonko> i'm going to see if I can make sound first. :)
[22:07] <wonko> I haven't gotten to sound yet but I just added Calf Organ and jack_lsp shows that. I haven't gotten nearly this far yet. Going to try some pulse bridges. :)
[22:09] <wonko> nothing on the headphones, but youtube is actually playing, which is new. :)
[22:09] <wonko> starting ffado-mixer was a bad idea. :)
[22:14] <wonko> running 64/2 seems to be ok so far
[22:14] <wonko> still nothing on the headphones though
[22:14] <wonko> not sure what the secret is there
[22:14] <wonko> and nothing to plug the output into either
[22:16] <OvenWerks> headphones may not be " " and 0
[22:16] <OvenWerks> back in a bit
[22:16] <wonko> i've tried all 6 outputs
[22:16] <wonko> nothing goes to the headphones
[22:21] <wonko> Is the firmware loaded on the AF4 something I should be worried about?
[22:22] <OvenWerks> you can check it
[22:22] <wonko> I couldn't really figure out how. :)
[22:22]  * OvenWerks tries to remember how :)
[22:22] <wonko> the ffado-fireworks-downloader gets me info
[22:23] <wonko> but nothing about an understandable firmware revision
[22:25] <OvenWerks> ffado-test
[22:25] <wonko> from what I can tell the headphones monitor output 1/2
[22:25] <wonko> so it *should* just work assuming I'm actually sending audio there
[22:25] <OvenWerks> and ffadomixer doesn't show it as muted or something?
[22:26] <wonko> I'm assuming M is mute?
[22:27] <OvenWerks> yes, but the inputs don't matter
[22:28] <wonko> https://i.imgur.com/GhbANmy.png
[22:28] <OvenWerks> look at playback and output
[22:28] <wonko> oh
[22:28] <wonko> looks like those are muted
[22:28] <wonko> looks like those are muted
[22:28] <wonko> oops. :)
[22:29] <wonko> it's annoying I can't run ffado-mixer at the same time as jack
[22:29] <OvenWerks> yes it looks like output is muted
[22:29] <OvenWerks> I can
[22:29] <wonko> ffado-mixer says it can't find any device
[22:29] <OvenWerks> I just can't change clock or sr while jack/pulse is using the device
[22:29] <wonko> yay it works!
[22:30] <wonko> 17:30:19 logginghandler   ERROR    Could not communicate with the FFADO DBus service...
[22:30] <wonko> and now audio is messed up
[22:30] <OvenWerks> monitor input 1/2 I would mute
[22:30] <wonko> and I have to restart jack after attempting that
[22:31] <OvenWerks> are you still running 32/2 or have you changed to 64/2?
[22:31] <wonko> 64/2
[22:31] <OvenWerks> ok
[22:33] <OvenWerks> what does the output of: cat /proc/interrupts
[22:33] <OvenWerks> lookm like?
[22:33] <wonko> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/trF9nDX4sX/
[22:34] <OvenWerks> what does /etc/default/rtirq look like? what is the output of /etc/init.d/rtirq status look like
[22:35] <wonko> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mKWWfGyBDD/
[22:36] <wonko> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rXSrCTy6GS/
[22:38] <OvenWerks> firewire is running at a lower priority than usb
[22:40] <OvenWerks> in /etc/default/rtirq maybe change: RTIRQ_NAME_LIST="snd usb i8042" to RTIRQ_NAME_LIST="firewire snd usb i8042"
[22:40] <OvenWerks> and reboot of course
[22:42] <OvenWerks> you will have to sudo nano /etc/default/rtirq to do that but you prolly know that as it looks like it has been changed already
[22:58]  * OvenWerks is out for a bit
[23:31] <wonko> I haven't actually changed that one yet but I remember doing that last time. I'll give that a go here shortly.