[00:34] <Kumool> what a thing to say and leave after 3 minutes
[00:35] <johanhelmuth> Yeah, that was a bit odd
[08:26] <xubuntu37w> Hi gang. When I right click say for example my terminal, the dropdown menu has a shadow which is about 20px greater than the geometery of the menu. i.e there is the encasing shadow, some transparent space, then the menu
[08:26] <xubuntu37w> has anyone seen this before / know how to fix this?
[08:27] <xubuntu37w> http://i.imgur.com/i38LLkl.png an image for reference
[08:29] <diogenes_> xubuntu37w, not sure i've come across that issue but have a look at: settings > window manager tweaks > compositor
[08:31] <xubuntu37w> Good idea. Do you know if changes to compositor settings take place immediately or do i need to log in and out?
[08:31] <diogenes_> xubuntu37w, first try to disable the compositor altogether and see if there is any change, it should have the immediate effect
[08:35] <xubuntu37w> (i had disabled the compositor before, attempting to fix screen tearing issue)
[08:36] <xubuntu37w> come to think of it, I should probably be troubleshooting compton. Thanks for your help
[14:53] <xubuntu86w> I'm sorry if I arrive directly with my problem, but I have an issue with xubuntu. I accidentally set the resolution wrong and now my screen doesn't get a video signal anymore. I can still go into terminal mode via control-F1 or into a low resolution version via recovery mode, which works if necessary. But I have to write something for school and that is very hard for me with the low resolution. I'd really appreciate quick help.
[14:54] <xubuntu86w> Right now I'm in recovery mode. I only own this one computer.
[14:56] <Spass> hello xubuntu86w, what's your Xubuntu version? what graphics card are you using? what driver are you using for it?
[14:57] <xubuntu86w> In terminal mode, it says Ubuntu 18.10, but it's xubuntu, probably the same version. My graphics card is nVidia, some gForce 7xx (I can find out in detail if neccessary) and I am using the free driver (which I'd like to continue as I only use propietary software if really neccessary).
[14:57] <xubuntu86w> Thank you
[15:01] <xubuntu86w> Not GForce, it's an NVidia 720 GT
[15:01] <xubuntu86w> I'm sorry...
[15:06] <xubuntu86w> Not sure if that works, but could I attempt to use a shortcut to open a terminal and enter some command to reset the resolution. As far as I understood this subject, the graphical envireoment is not away, it's just invisible because my screen doesn't understand this low resolution.
[15:07] <Spass> do you have something in the "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" file?
[15:07] <xubuntu86w> Let me see
[15:08] <xubuntu86w> cat xorg.conf didn't return anything. It appears empty
[15:09] <Spass> where did you set the wrong resolution? somewhere in the GUI settings?
[15:09] <xubuntu86w> Yes, it was a GUI.
[15:10] <xubuntu86w> The program is called 'Anzeige', at least in the german language version. Anzeige roughly means Display
[15:11] <xubuntu86w> I already attempted to use that tool in recovery mode but that wasn't possible
[15:12] <Spass> so when you type this command "xfconf-query -c displays -lv" you can see that wrongly set resolution there, correct?
[15:12] <Spass> something like "/Default/XXX/Resolution"
[15:13] <xubuntu86w> "/Default/DVI-D-1/Resolution   320x180" YES! But currently I have 800X600 in recovery mode. But yes, I believe the wrong resolution was that one (But I'm not sure...)
[15:14] <xubuntu86w> My screen is indeed connected using DVI-D
[15:16] <Spass> ok, what resolution you want to have?
[15:17] <Spass> what's the native resolution of your screen?
[15:17] <xubuntu86w> 1920X1080
[15:17] <xubuntu86w> (Full HD)
[15:18] <Spass> not sure if it will work, but try this command "xfconf-query -c displays -p /Default/DVI-D-1/Resolution -s 1920x1080"
[15:19] <Spass> and then check if something changed using "xfconf-query -c displays -p /Default/DVI-D-1/Resolution -v"
[15:19] <xubuntu86w> Well nothing immediatly happend but this might just be the case because I'm in recovery mode. I'll reboot and report my progress. Thank you for help.
[15:19] <xubuntu86w> Wrote this in reply to your first message, sorry.
[15:19] <xubuntu86w> In reply of the second: Yes, its 1920x1080
[15:20] <Spass> second command should show you the change
[15:20] <Spass> ok, try to reboot :)
[15:20] <xubuntu86w> Alright, see you later
[15:20] <Spass> shutdown -r now
[15:22] <xubuntu60w> Thank you SO MUCH!
[15:22] <xubuntu60w> It worked
[15:22] <Spass> great, glad I could help
[16:00] <johanhelmuth> What is the most stable nvidia driver for Xubuntu 18.04 right now?
[16:00] <johanhelmuth> It seems I'm having some slight issues with 418 at the moment.
[16:05] <Spass> Xubuntu 18.04 officially has 390.116 as tested (it's in the official repos), it worked fine for me, but I've recently installed 418 from the PPA and it's fine for me too so far
[16:12] <johanhelmuth> Yeah, everything worked fine with 418, until I tried using nvenc on OBS as the encoder. I'm fairly certain it's a driver issue, since I can convert video files using nvenc with ffmmpeg.
[16:12] <johanhelmuth> Or, I shouldn't say driver issue. An OBS issue with the 418 driver, rather.
[19:36] <__Myst__> j/close
[21:38] <xubuntu47d> my screen is zoomed in and follows my mouse arround
[21:38] <xubuntu47d> how do i revert it back to normal?
[21:38] <gnrp> alt+mouse wheel
[21:38] <gnrp> (scroll down)
[21:39] <xubuntu47d> thank you
[22:29] <mdadm_hurts> intalling xubuntu on previously existing software RAID. Any pointers?


[00:01] <JSTae76> Seony, 2012.09.08 5,647,500.00\
[00:05] <JSTae76> 으음.. 우분투 Freenode IRC 채널을 위한 안드로이드 애플리케이션 개발을 시도해봐야겠어요.. 안드로이드 개발은 아예 첨이고 하나도 모르니깐.. 온라인에 올라와있는 강의등을 좀 참조해야겠네요..
[00:06] <JSTae76> 제가 개발하고 싶은 애플리케이션은 Freenode IRC 채널 중 우분투 관련 채널 목록을 나타내고 해당 채널로 접속하고 Ubuntu IRC LOGs (Freenode)에서 당일 로그를 불러오면 되겠네요..
[00:08] <JSTae76> 일단은 시도해봐야겠어요.. (Google Chrome)
[01:19] <archpower> hi
[01:22] <JSTae76> Hi
[01:22] <archpower> hey JSTae76
[01:22] <JSTae76> archpower, why?
[01:22] <archpower> why what?
[01:22] <JSTae76> archpower, what happend?
[01:23] <archpower> nothing
[01:23] <JSTae76> #ubuntu인지 #ubuntu-ko 인지 정체성혼란..ㅋㅋ
[01:23] <archpower> speak english?
[01:24] <JSTae76> archpower, I can speak Korean very well, English not well
[01:24] <JSTae76> I'm Korean :-)
[01:30] <archpower> Nice.
[01:30] <archpower> What kind of work do you do?
[01:37] <Seony> 휴... 출근..
[01:37] <JSTae76> archpower, Windows Programming (C/C++/MFC (NOT GOOD)) / Linux Programming (Console) / Android Programming / Server Managment / Join some opensource project (mailing)
[01:38] <JSTae76> Seony,  파이팅!
[01:38] <Seony> ㅎㅎ
[01:39] <JSTae76> ㅎㅎ
[01:39] <JSTae76> 내일 SK Broadband IDC Center를 방문해야하는데 기찬;
[01:40] <archpower> Cool.
[01:40] <archpower> I'm an engineer.
[01:41] <archpower> I restore old cars and build custom vehicles.
[01:41] <JSTae76> Nice
[01:41] <JSTae76> AH..
[01:41] <JSTae76> archpower Where are you from?
[01:42] <archpower> California, USA.
[01:42] <JSTae76> archpower, Ah..
[01:42] <JSTae76> archpower, you can't speak Korean?
[01:43] <JSTae76> (ㅏㅏ..뭔가요.. 아치파워님에 대해서 알고계신분 없으신가요..)
[01:43] <archpower> sorry, not a word.
[01:43] <Seony> how did you join this chan then?
[01:44] <archpower> I found it on the list of channels.
[01:44] <archpower> are you in seoul?
[01:44] <JSTae76> archpower, OK.. I think just joke which your says?
[01:44] <JSTae76> 말이 맞나..
[01:44] <JSTae76> archpower, I'm in Ulsan, South Korea
[01:44] <archpower> joke?
[01:44] <Seony> Honolulu HI
[01:45] <JSTae76> archpower, I think you are Korean
[01:46] <JSTae76> I'm not good at English
[01:46] <archpower> I'm not.
[01:46] <JSTae76> I was thinking you joke me.
[01:47] <archpower> I'm serious.
[01:48] <JSTae76> Hmm.. but no problem
[01:48] <JSTae76> I can speak English little
[01:48] <archpower> You seem to get by well
[01:48] <archpower> Its very good.
[01:49] <JSTae76> Yea..
[01:51] <archpower> I just finished fixing this bike today
[01:52] <JSTae76> Oh
[01:52] <JSTae76> Nice :-)
[01:54] <JSTae76> archpower, I was want to talk with someone in English so, this happend good for me (You can understand what I say?)
[01:55] <Seony> sorry I'm having a meeting
[01:55] <JSTae76> Seony, Oh..
[01:55] <JSTae76> Seony, 잘갓다오세요?
[01:56] <archpower> Sure.
[01:56] <JSTae76> :-)
[01:57] <archpower> Here is the latest car project: http://postimage.org/gallery/12fax27w/
[01:57] <JSTae76> archpower, Cool
[01:58] <archpower> scroll down, more images will load.
[01:58] <archpower> thanks.
[01:58] <archpower> Its a super rare BOSS engine and the car is a customized 1969 Ford Mustang.
[01:58] <JSTae76> :-)
[01:58] <archpower> everything is made from scratch
[01:58] <JSTae76> Ah
[01:59] <archpower> yea
[01:59] <JSTae76> 오늘 A# 갑니다ㅎ (I will go to A# today)
[02:00] <archpower> go where?
[02:01] <JSTae76> AShop (Apple Shop)
[02:01] <JSTae76> There is MacBook Air, Pro, Mini, iMac ..etc
[02:01] <archpower> oo
[02:02] <archpower> enjoy yourself
[02:02] <JSTae76> Thanks :-)
[02:17] <JSTae76> I want buy iMac, Mac Mini, MacBook Pro..iPad, iPhone........kkk
[02:37] <cai_> archpower: heh where in CA?
[02:57] <razGon_web> 허거거... 영어 난무...ㅠㅠ
[02:57] <razGon_web> OMG... English Tsunami!
[02:58] <JSTae76> razGon_web, 오랜만입니다 :-) (Long time no see :-)
[02:58] <JSTae76> 모바일로 잠시.. (Mobile..wait)
[02:59] <razGon_web> JSTae76: LOL이후로 오랜만.ㅎㅎㅎ( Long time no see after LOL)
[02:59] <razGon_web> 허거거..
[03:09] <JSTae76> 안녕하세요 (Hello)
[03:14] <razGon_web> JSTae76: re-Hi...
[03:20] <JSTae76> RazGon_web, 네넵ㅎㅎ (Yea)
[03:25] <Seony> 퇴근
[03:27] <JSTae76> 올ㅋ
[03:28] <JSTae76> 일찍 끝나셨나요?
[03:32] <razGon_web> 오늘은 저도 곧퇴근입니다. ㅋ
[03:32] <razGon_web> 30분남았음.ㅎ
[06:05] <Seony> 윈도우8 설치 때문에, MS-오피스 2010 라이센스를 옮겨야하는데 이게 그냥은 안옮겨지나보네요..
[06:05] <Seony> 왜이리 불편하게 만들었지..
[07:22] <JSTae76> Apple 제품을 사라는 이유, Mac OS X가 좋다는 이유 리눅스와 아주 흡사하다는 이유를 몸소 느꼈습니다ㅋㅋ
[08:29] <JSTae76> 안녕하세요
[08:41] <JSTae76> 재부팅 (REBOOT)
[09:09] <JSTae76> am0c, 안녕하세요 (HELLO)
[09:09] <am0c> 안녕하세요 >__<
[09:09] <JSTae76> archpower, What are you doing now?
[10:02] <JSTae76> am0c, 안녕하세요ㅎ (HELLO)
[10:03] <am0c> 'ㅂ'
[10:04] <am0c> JSTae76: 머하세영
[10:04] <JSTae76> am0c, 맥프레 광고 음악 청츀ㅋ
[10:05] <JSTae76> 청취보단 감상ㅋㅋ
[10:05] <am0c> 푹 빠져드셨..ㅠㅠ
[10:05] <am0c> 푹 빠져버리셨..
[10:05] <JSTae76> 넹..빠졌어요ㅋㅋ
[10:08] <JSTae76> KIDSTREET - Song
[10:09] <JSTae76> Archpower, I hope meet you often
[10:16] <JSTae76> 오늘 에이샵가서 애플 제품봤는데..와
[10:18] <JSTae76> 운동 갓다오겟습니다 (I go exercise)
[12:53] <JSTae76> 운동 끝ㅎ (Exercise END)
[13:20] <JSTae76> 헐
[13:20] <JSTae76> 인터넷 상태가 안 좋나..
[13:41] <JSTae76> arch-power, Welcome
[13:42] <JSTae76> archpower, Welcome
[13:42] <archpower> thank you
[13:43] <JSTae76> When I say Korean, I will translate to English in () for you.. I hope this work is good for you
[13:44] <JSTae76> You can understand What I say?
[13:44] <archpower> Thank you
[13:44] <archpower> It will be great.
[13:44] <JSTae76> Good
[13:47] <JSTae76> Apple 제품은 정말 퍼포먼스 쥑이더군요.. 얼마나 멋지던지ㅠㅠ (Apple's products are very nice in performence)
[13:48] <JSTae76> 빨리 사고싶네요ㅠㅠ (I want buy that quickly)
[13:48] <JSTae76> archpower, Are you have any Apple's products?
[14:01] <archpower> I dont use apple products
[14:01] <JSTae76> 네트워크 상태가 불안정하네요 (Network signal is weak)
[14:01] <JSTae76> archpower, I see
[14:06] <razGon_Xch> 안녕하세요?
[14:06] <razGon_Xch> 누구 계세요?
[14:07] <JSTae76> 저요 (Me)
[14:07] <razGon_Xch> JSTae76, 혹시 갤럭시3쓰고 있는 지요?
[14:07] <JSTae76> 아뇨ㅎ 갑자기 왜요?
[14:08] <razGon_Xch> 지금 뽐뿌 사이트에서 게릴라성으로 핸폰이 갤스3가 17만원 옵티머스 LTE2가 3만원에 팔리고 있어요
[14:09] <JSTae76> 우왘ㅋ
[14:09] <JSTae76> 오늘 갤럭시 S3를 사용은 해봤어요 ㅣㅎ
[14:09] <JSTae76> ㅎㅎ
[14:12] <razGon_Xch> 3만원짜리 옵티이2를 사렵니다.  I'm busy to choice of the brand new handphone....
[14:27] <JSTae76> razGon_Xch, 사시게요? (Buy?)
[14:28] <razGon_Xch> ok I decided to buy new one!
[14:28] <razGon_Xch> What a cheap smart phone!
[14:28] <JSTae76> GOOD
[14:28] <razGon_Xch> they are just 30000 won!
[14:28] <razGon_Xch> Galaxy S3 is 170000 won!
[14:29] <JSTae76> 30000 won almost 30$
[14:29] <JSTae76> 1000 won almost 1$
[14:29] <razGon_Xch> nono! currency is a little high. so 1$=1200 Kw
[14:30] <JSTae76> razGon_Xch, 애플 제품 진짜 직이던데요 (Apple's products are very nice)
[14:30] <JSTae76> Ah..You're right
[14:30] <razGon_Xch> but it's expensive...
[14:30] <JSTae76> ...
[14:31] <razGon_Xch> no Expensive but reasonable?
[14:31] <JSTae76> 가성비가 별로라고요?
[14:32] <razGon_Xch> 아니 비싸다고요.
[14:32] <razGon_Xch> 하지만, 합리적이라고 말하시는 분들도 있어서...
[14:32] <razGon_Xch> no-> not
[14:32] <JSTae76> 아ㅎㅎ
[14:33] <JSTae76> 요즘 Markers님을 뵙은적이 없네요ㅠ (I can't meet 'Markers' lately)
[14:34] <JSTae76> 휴강했다지만ㅠㅠ ( Vacation is over, but)
[14:48] <autowiz03> 옵티이 쓰고 있어요
[14:48] <JSTae76> ?
[14:48] <autowiz03> 저건 자동 번역인건가... 음음...
[14:49] <JSTae76> 저요? (Me?)
[14:49] <razGon_Xch> ㅎㅎㅎ
[14:49] <razGon_Xch> 그냥 같이 쓰는 거 아니였어요?
[14:49] <razGon_Xch> 자가 번역같은데.ㅎ
[14:50] <JSTae76> 맞아요
[14:50] <JSTae76> archpower님이 외국인이라서 편하게 있으라고 직접 번역하는.. (archpower is foreginer..so I traslate for him)
[14:54] <JSTae76> Apple MBP VS Apple iMac
[14:54] <JSTae76> 왠지 힘든 결정이네요ㅠㅠ
[14:56] <razGon_Xch> 그냥 삼성거 사요. 울트라북.
[14:56] <JSTae76> 세미나, HackFair 같은 IT 행사에 참가하려면 노트북이 필요한데 솔직히 고등학생되면 그런데 참가할 시간은 있으려니하고.. 그렇다고 지르자니 넘 비싸고ㅠㅠ
[14:56] <razGon_Xch> 노트북이라면 괜찮을듯..ㅋ
[14:57] <JSTae76> Mac OS X에 반했습니다ㅋㅋ
[14:57] <razGon_Xch> ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
[14:57] <JSTae76> iMac은 가성비 진짜 괜찮아요..  (Why)
[14:58] <JSTae76> 오타오타 (Typing miss)
[14:58] <JSTae76> web > Xch
[14:58] <archpower> Hello again.
[14:58] <razGon_Xch> 1. 촉나라에 제갈공명이 요절함.
[14:58] <archpower> My connection died.
[14:58] <JSTae76> Yea.
[14:58] <JSTae76> 촉나라ㅡ
[14:58] <JSTae76> ?
[14:59] <razGon_Xch> 아.. 삼국지를 빗대서 이야기 한겁니다.
[14:59] <archpower> JSTae76 the word for "typing miss" is "typo"
[14:59] <JSTae76> 그냥 직접적으로 말해주셨으면ㅠㅠ
[14:59] <JSTae76> archpower, Oh..Really? Thanks
[14:59] <archpower> sure.
[15:00] <archpower> So, what car is most common in korea?
[15:00] <archpower> nissan?
[15:00] <razGon_Xch> Jobs is powerful leader. Bcuz He died, APPLE will be collapsed.
[15:00] <archpower> I dont see Apple collapsing soon.
[15:00] <JSTae76> archpower, What is gaming account?
[15:00] <archpower> iphone 5 is coming out next week I think
[15:00] <autowiz03> 24인용 텐트 혼자 한시간 반 걸렸다는 기사가 있네요
[15:00] <archpower> they should rebounce because of it.
[15:00] <JSTae76> archpower, Hyundai, KIA, Samsung REANUT Crs
[15:00] <archpower> Samsung makes cars!?
[15:01] <razGon_Xch> APPLE's source of power is creative energy. but there is not CORE.
[15:01] <archpower> razGon_UNT1 lets wait for iphone 5 before we role out their creative energy as insufficient.
[15:02] <archpower> personally I use android.
[15:02] <archpower> samasung galaxy 3
[15:02] <archpower> samsung*
[15:02] <razGon_Xch> archpower, that's right. but. I'm feeling
[15:03] <JSTae76> 개발 (터미널에 틀어박힐..), 인터넷 서핑이 저의 주 작업인데 5400 rpm은 느릴까요? (I use terminal for dev and internet surfing is my main work.. 5400 rpm hdd is slow for their work?)
[15:03] <razGon_Xch> I'll use the Optimus LTE2 in LG mobile
[15:03] <razGon_Xch> 상관없지 않아요?
[15:03] <razGon_Xch> 서핑이면.
[15:03] <razGon_Xch> SSD를 달아요.
[15:03] <JSTae76> 그런가요..흠
[15:04] <razGon_Xch> most popular car is made by Hyundai-KIA motors group.
[15:05] <archpower> I think Apple is greater than Steve Jobs.
[15:05] <JSTae76> HDD (720GB 5400 RPM) VS DISPLAY (1680*1050, More pixels) 같은 가격 (Same price) 당신의 선택은? (How about your choice?)
[15:05] <razGon_Xch> KIA was merged to Hyundai motors.
[15:05] <archpower> I know.
[15:06] <archpower> Theres a big aftermarket in Korea as well right?
[15:06] <archpower> people modify their cars with aftermarket products.
[15:06] <razGon_Xch> yes, but In past Hx. APPLE without Jobs was terrible...
[15:06] <autowiz03> JSTae76 : 선택은 필요성에 따라서 달라지는거지요
[15:07] <archpower> No company is dependent on one person.
[15:07] <razGon_Xch> 나는 디스플레이에 걸겠소.
[15:07] <JSTae76> archpower, Big aftermarket? Maybe no
[15:07] <razGon_Xch> yes, but Jobs is great person.
[15:07] <JSTae76> autowiz03, 흠.. 고민되네요
[15:08] <JSTae76> I think jobs is not good person.. His cretive idea is very good.
[15:08] <JSTae76> but his personality ..hmm not good
[15:09] <JSTae76> JUST MY IDEA :-)
[15:09] <archpower> I am personally not very impressed with Steve Jobs.
[15:09] <razGon_Xch> yes. that's right.
[15:09] <razGon_Xch> I think so.
[15:09] <autowiz03> 하드가 가 용량이 부족하거나 , 동시 access 속도 가 필요한경우라면 하드
[15:09] <archpower> He was a marketing person.
[15:09] <archpower> Not a developer.
[15:09] <razGon_Xch> yes.
[15:09] <JSTae76> yes
[15:09] <JSTae76> autowiz03, 흠.
[15:09] <JSTae76> ㅠㅠ
[15:10] <razGon_Xch> WARZ did
[15:10] <autowiz03> 화면이 좁아서 불편하다 하는경우 모니터 , 다순히 선택이라는건 저로서는 의미 없다고 봄... 필요한게 아니라면 그냥 저금하고 나중에 필요한게 생기면 사면됨
[15:10] <JSTae76> 돈을 벌만한 방법이 없을까요ㅠㅠ
[15:10] <JSTae76> 단시간내에 돈을 벌기란..ㅠ역시
[15:10] <razGon_Xch> JSTae76, 주식하시면 되지만, 자네에게는 프로그램이나 어플개발을 맞기겠네.
[15:10] <razGon_Xch> 주식은 고위험 고소득.
[15:11] <JSTae76> razGon_Xch, 앱은 하나도 모르는..
[15:11] <razGon_Xch> 어플개발하시게나.
[15:11] <razGon_Xch> 지금부터 해보삼.
[15:11] <JSTae76> ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
[15:11] <razGon_Xch> 어짜피 망해도 지금나이에 굶어죽지 않으니. 공부하세요.
[15:11] <JSTae76> 넹ㅋㅋ
[15:12] <JSTae76> 맘만같으면 돈을 좀 벌어서 맥프로 구매할때 보태고 싶지만ㅠㅠ
[15:12] <autowiz03> 호텔쪽 서버 관리자가 수입이 좋다는말이있었는데, 큰 호텔이라서 그랬던건가...
[15:12] <JSTae76> 13인치 쿼드코어기 있다면 아 조으려만..
[15:12] <razGon_Xch> ㅎㅎㅎ
[15:12] <archpower> Have you ever seen the movie "Pirates of Silicon Valley" ?
[15:12] <razGon_Xch> 사양에 대한 욕심은 그만.
[15:12] <archpower> It tells the story of Apple and Microsoft in the early 70s-90s.
[15:12] <JSTae76> archpowrr, I know that movie.. but, not see
[15:12] <razGon_Xch> Oh I saw the movie.
[15:12] <razGon_Xch> It's impressive historical movie
[15:13] <JSTae76> ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ욕심이 많아서 탈입니다
[15:13] <archpower> Basically, apple and microsoft are thiefs
[15:13] <archpower> they didnt come up with any technology by themselves, it was all stolen from different companies.
[15:13] <razGon_Xch> yes^^
[15:13] <razGon_Xch> Xerox.
[15:13] <archpower> right.
[15:13] <archpower> xerox invented the mouse
[15:13] <archpower> xerox invented the GUI.
[15:13] <razGon_Xch> and gui
[15:13] <archpower> all handed to apple.
[15:13] <autowiz03> 컴퓨터 관련 영화는 정말 많이 봤는데 이영화는 처음보는거군요
[15:13] <archpower> and then stolen by microsoft.
[15:13] <razGon_Xch> 보시면 감동받습니다.
[15:14] <archpower> now apple is suing samsung for stealing their ideas.
[15:14] <archpower> but apple stole it first.
[15:14] <razGon_Xch> 제가 컴을 처음으로 알던 때의 말로만 듣던 그사람들의 기록을 볼수 잇죠.
[15:14] <razGon_Xch> yes,
[15:14] <JSTae76> 먹을것 탐색 시작 (Starting explorer some for eat)
[15:14] <JSTae76> I'm in kitchen
[15:15] <razGon_Xch> 애플은 어떻게 시작했나.
[15:15] <razGon_Xch> 마이크로 소프트의 시작.
[15:15] <razGon_Xch> MS was also stolen. DOS^^;
[15:15] <JSTae76> Hmm..OH! I FIND CHOKOPIE
[15:16] <archpower> yep
[15:16] <JSTae76> When I 7years old.. I was install Windows 3.1
[15:16] <archpower> apple stole touchscreen from sony
[15:16] <razGon_Xch> ㅎㅎㅎ
[15:16] <razGon_Xch> PSP.g
[15:16] <JSTae76> ...I want to install Windows95..but he was give Windows 3.1
[15:16] <JSTae76> That need DOS..
[15:16] <JSTae76> :-(
[15:17] <razGon_Xch> I am starting with IQ1000 [MSX1]^^
[15:17] <JSTae76> archpower, What time is it there?
[15:18] <razGon_Xch> archpower, Where are U from?
[15:18] <archpower> 8:20am
[15:18] <JSTae76> He from California, USA
[15:18] <archpower> Los Angeles area.
[15:18] <JSTae76> OH..Here 12:18 AM
[15:18] <JSTae76> AH......
[15:18] <razGon_Xch> oh nice place/
[15:19] <archpower> yeah but here its 8:18am SATURDAY
[15:19] <archpower> there its probably sunday already.
[15:19] <JSTae76> We are Sunday..h..haha
[15:19] <razGon_Xch> I'll go the Battle field in LOL!
[15:19] <razGon_Xch> 있다가 봐요.
[15:20] <JSTae76> :-O < THIS?  듀얼코어랑 쿼드 코어를 보면
[15:37] <JSTae76> 하긴..ㅠ
[15:38] <autowiz03> 근데 노트북으로 어떤 작업을 할껀지를 먼저 생각해봐야겠지요
[15:38] <JSTae76> 고등학교가면 세미나나 핵페어 같은 행사는 꿈도 못 꾸겟죠?
[15:38] <autowiz03> 저도 가능하면 적당한 가격의 노트북을 쓰는걸 추천합니다.
[15:39] <autowiz03> 저는 고등학교3학년 때 일본얘랑 팬팔한다고 며칠씩 일본어책만 봤던적도 있습니다.
[15:39] <JSTae76> 하드한거라곤 안드빌드밖에 없는듯해요..
[15:39] <autowiz03> 서울 부산으로도 많이 돌아다녔고... 고등학교 시간은 알차게만 보내면 된다고 생각합니다.
[15:39] <JSTae76> 참가할만하다는말씀이신가요?
[15:39] <JSTae76> 실례지만 어디 사세요?
[15:39] <autowiz03> 거창하게 준비해서 세미나 나가는거 말고는 다 될거 같은...
[15:40] <autowiz03> 대학교까지는 경북에 있었고 지금은 서울 취직했네요
[15:40] <JSTae76> 오그러시군요..전 울산
[15:40] <autowiz03> 서울쪽 세미나 가고 싶으신건가요?
[15:41] <JSTae76> 넵
[15:41] <JSTae76> 어차피 거의 글로 모여있어서..
[15:43] <autowiz03> 고 1 ,2 까지는 한달에 한번 정도는 별 문제 없을거 같긴 합니다.
[15:43] <autowiz03> 집안이나 학교 문제가 더 크겠지요.
[15:44] <JSTae76> 고등학교 3학년때야 뭐..어쩔수없죠
[15:45] <JSTae76> 근데 iMac이 MBP의 같은 가격에 비해 디스플레이나 스펙이 많이 좋아서 순간 고민했네요..
[15:45] <JSTae76> 일단은 뭐 천천히 고민해봐야겠습니다
[15:45] <autowiz03> 열심히하는것도 좋은데 너무 조바심 내면 안된다는걸 30넘어서야 배우게 되더군요...
[15:46] <JSTae76> 그런가요ㅎㅎ
[15:46] <JSTae76> 아직은 학생이라 하고싶은게 많아요
[16:26] <JSTae76> 심심
[17:01] <JSTae76> bye
[21:15] <Seony> 음... 윈도우8은 바뀐게 많아서 적응하기가 쉽지않겠꾼요...
[21:36] <archpower> hi
[21:37] <Seony> Hi
[21:37] <archpower> Hows it going Seony?
[21:37] <archpower> HI?
[21:38] <Seony> Not bad. :)
[21:38] <Seony> Happy saturday~
[21:38] <archpower> You're in HI?
[21:38] <Seony> yes
[21:38] <archpower> awesome
[21:38] <archpower> do you speak the language?
[21:38] <Seony> i came to here, 5 or 6 years ago
[21:38] <archpower> from korea?
[21:38] <Seony> yes, sortof.
[21:39] <archpower> i meant korean, can you speak it?
[21:39] <Seony> haha, yea. i'm native korean.
[21:39] <archpower> oh
[21:39] <archpower> thats bitching
[21:39] <archpower> been to mainland america?
[21:40] <Seony> I went to vegas last month ;)
[21:40] <Seony> it was my first trip in the u.s haha
[21:40] <archpower> nice
[21:40] <archpower> vegas is great, im in LA area so i get to visit vegas couple of times a year
[21:41] <archpower> hawaii is pretty epic
[21:41] <Seony> it takes 6-7 hours, right?
[21:41] <archpower> what made you move to HI
[21:42] <archpower> nah
[21:42] <archpower> its like 280 mile
[21:42] <archpower> from downtown LA
[21:42] <Seony> my aunt has been living in hawaii for 15 years. so i decided to come to hawaii, but she's not helpful actually. lol
[21:42] <archpower> like 4 hours 30 minutes
[21:43] <archpower> thats cool, theres a lot of korean people in hawaii isnt there?
[21:44] <Seony> hawaii is my first experience to live in abroad country, but i love here. so many ASIAN people live here.
[21:44] <archpower> yeah
[21:44] <archpower> its like halfway between asia and america, literally.
[21:44] <archpower> what kind of work do you do over there?
[21:45] <Seony> i don't why, many haole guys are weird.
[21:45] <Seony> currently i'm a student.
[21:45] <Seony> this is my last semester.
[21:45] <archpower> studying what?
[21:45] <Seony> major is computer science
[21:45] <Seony> but, my job in korea was a banker, lol
[21:46] <Seony> did invetsting money, taxation, deposit, real estate...
[21:46] <archpower> are you going bank to banking?
[21:46] <Seony> i'm not sure.
[21:46] <archpower> is it like a family business?
[21:47] <Seony> no, totally different.
[21:47] <archpower> thats cool.
[21:47] <archpower> I run a hot rod and restoration shop
[21:48] <Seony> wow, so you're not a programmer?
[21:48] <archpower> nope, I have a degree in engineering though
[21:48] <archpower> so I know some programming.
[21:49] <archpower> but I've been building and customizing cars since I was a little baby so thats what I do best.
[21:49] <Seony> wow, i see. this channel is related computer, linux, and programming. so all people in here are very insterested in computer stuff.
[21:50] <archpower> That makes sense.
[21:51] <Seony> sorry, i gotta have a lunch now.
[21:51] <Seony> see you later.
[21:51] <archpower> Alright, catch you later.
[21:52] <Seony> and, it's 7 am in korea. i don't think guys here woke up. :)
[21:52] <archpower> probably workigg.
[21:52] <archpower> working
[21:52] <Seony> haha, yea, probably, on sunday.
[21:52] <Seony> anyway, see you later.
[21:53] <archpower> i thought they work on sundays in korea, later


[00:17] <daftykins> davef: ooh these come from someone near you - https://youtu.be/l9LLI0sJyQY
[00:17] <daftykins> (LGR Blerb in above link)
[00:17] <davef> is that the ibm mini?
[00:18] <daftykins> yep!
[00:18] <davef> saw it this morning
[00:18] <daftykins> :D
[00:18] <davef> if i had known this was a thing, i probably would have got one
[00:19] <daftykins> so costly though!
[00:20] <davef> but what a thing of beauty
[00:21]  * daftykins resumes the video to find out
[00:31] <davef> So it seems one of my patches will be in the next release of FreeBSD
[00:32] <davef> FreeBSD is getting a feature that the Linux world will probably copy at some point in the future
[00:32] <daftykins> ooh
[00:32] <davef> FreeBSD has always supported boot environments, so you can roll back easily, however it was never automated.
[00:33] <davef> So I submitted a patch that takes care of that automation, you install updates, it takes a snapshot.
[00:35] <davef> Only applies to OS updates, not package/port updates


[00:55] <Philip_> can I install the AMD64 iso to an intel core i3 machine?
[00:57] <Philip_> my guess is it's fine, but the cdimage page doesn't make it very clear
[01:23] <duffydack> Philip_, yes
[01:24] <duffydack> amd64 is just the fact amd was the first to make 64bit...
[03:13] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[04:14] <Fudge> hi will there be daily vm snapshots people can grab and test?
[04:22] <maco2> there havent been in the past, so i doubt it. but there are daily ISOs which you can simply mount in a VM without going through the install process
[04:30] <Fudge> that sounds great
[04:31] <Fudge> im downloading alpha1 would i be able to mount tha tin a vm bypassing install or should i get a daily snapshot
[05:28] <Joshua__> so... what makes 10.10 so great?
[09:00] <Ian_corne> well, 35 is already there but virtual atm :)
[09:15] <BUGabundo_remote> Have u seen the Sun?I need my photosynthesis!
[09:16] <LSD|Ninja> Sun is gone, only Oracle remains
[09:16] <BUGabundo_remote> :(
[09:17] <Ian_corne> :p
[11:45] <aluex> hi , i met a problem upgrading my ubuntu to 10.10
[11:45] <rsk> specify
[11:46] <aluex> Could not calculate the upgrade
[11:46] <gnomefreak> aluex: try using update-manager -d
[11:46] <aluex> ok
[11:48] <yofel> hm, at least the kernel meta packages are held back right now
[11:56] <aluex> it makes no difference
[11:57] <aluex> here is output: http://pastebin.com/UXgNhrqF
[11:57] <arand> aluex: Do you have several metapackages installed? (ubuntu-desktop, xubuntu-desktop?)
[11:58] <arand> aluex: try using "sudo do-release-upgrade" and see if that gives a more verbose explanation?
[11:58] <aluex> oh
[11:58] <arand> with -d ..
[11:59] <aluex> oh
[12:02] <aluex> almost the same :(
[12:03] <aluex> http://pastebin.com/bvJymmum
[12:04]  * gnomefreak needs to find a work around
[12:05] <arand> Broken packages? What happens if you run "sudo aptitude -f install" ?
[12:06]  * gnomefreak gets the feeling it is caused by packages in non-officila repos and not using update-manager
[12:07] <gnomefreak> but what do i know i cant even get mine to get past grub
[12:07] <aluex> arand, it asks me whether i want to accept a solution
[12:08] <gnomefreak> since he is already into upgrade it is going to be hard to fix
[12:08] <gnomefreak> aluex: yes normally a good idea
[12:08] <gnomefreak> but would need to see choices
[12:09] <aluex> .oO( <-what does this sign mean?
[12:09] <aluex> a thinking buble?
[12:09] <gnomefreak> i would need to see in what context but im not here arand hes all your ;)
[12:10] <arand> gnomefreak: No kernel version boots at all for ye?
[12:10] <Ian_corne> yes aluez
[12:10] <Ian_corne> aluex
[12:11] <arand> aluex: What does it suggest?
[12:11] <arand> (pastebin)
[12:12] <aluex> ??
[12:12] <aluex> "aptitude -f install" done
[12:13] <aluex> Now i have another try
[12:13] <arand> ok, yea, I was wondering what solution it suggested, it is not always that the first suggestion is the best one, but anyways, If you think it did the right thing, I guess you could try upgrading again...
[12:13] <arand> You do have everything backed up I hope?
[12:14] <aluex> No...not
[12:14] <aluex> But i always keep my file in a pendrive
[12:14] <arand> Hmm, then I would recommend doing that first ;)
[12:15] <aluex> :)
[12:16] <aluex> how to make that ? i mean ,such as "gnomefreak gets the feeling ..."
[12:16] <arand> Unless you want to risk it... Oh and by the way, you may get some breakage of X coming up: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2010-June/011587.html Just so you are aware...
[12:16] <gnomefreak> arand: i have only tried fridays ISO and the monitor turns off right after grub
[12:18] <aluex> still the same error
[12:18] <arand> gnomefreak: and acpi=off, nomodeset, rdblacklist=nouveau, et. al. doesn't help?
[12:18] <gnomefreak> after a weekend of work i think i will try to fix it later in the week
[12:18] <aluex> actually i have kubuntu,ubuntu,ubuntu-remix in my computer
[12:18] <gnomefreak> arand: not sure i never had to do that before. i dont recall if i got past that point from upgrade or not
[12:20] <gnomefreak> arand: bug 590571 might give you an idea
[12:21] <gnomefreak> maybe i can spend one more day working on it
[12:22] <aluex> (>_<)
[12:22] <arand> aluex: gnomefreak Well, if it is X, then that might just be due to the things detailed in the mailing list post I gave above..
[12:22] <gnomefreak> thats what i get for trying to break it
[12:23] <yofel> nouveau worked fine for me a few days ago though... NVS 3100M
[12:23] <gnomefreak> arand: its not likely at least my issue
[12:23] <gnomefreak> 6200 and 5200 both fail here
[12:23] <yofel> well, xserver 1.8 is coming so try it again in a few days
[12:23] <arand> aluex: Well, it's a known issue, I think, but I'm not sure if there is a good solution though...
[12:24] <gnomefreak> yofel: yep i thought i would try that.
[12:25] <aluex> That means i can wait for the offical release on 10.10?
[12:26] <aluex> i mean oct ,2010
[12:29] <aluex> how to re-instate ?
[12:29] <yofel> aluex: just try again in a day or two
[12:29] <yofel> as I said, the kernel meta packages are held back which probably causes the upgrade to fail
[12:29] <aluex> http://pastebin.com/AJiTXGkr
[12:30] <Ian_corne> $ uname -a
[12:30] <Ian_corne> Linux unicorne 2.6.35-1-generic #1-Ubuntu SMP Sat Jun 5 06:18:25 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:30] <aluex> here is the last part of apt.log
[12:30] <Ian_corne> :)
[12:30] <yofel> oh?
[12:31] <yofel> Then my mirror is out of sync :/
[12:31] <aluex> ?
[12:31]  * yofel checks main
[12:31] <yofel> aluex: it fails since linux-image-generic depends on linux-image-2.6.35-1-generic which isn't available yet
[12:32] <aluex> ?
[12:32] <yofel> erm... you should at least know that much about the package management if you plan to use maverick...
[12:33] <yofel> aluex: why not just try it out in a VM with testdrive?
[12:34] <yofel> yep, german mirror out of sync
[12:34] <aluex> ...I only have this netbook . :-(
[12:34] <yofel> aluex: or just try it again in an hour or so, or switch to the main server, it should work then
[12:34] <aluex> oh,i see
[12:36] <Ian_corne> yofel: do you know the launchpad url by heart with the status of all mirrors?
[12:36] <Ian_corne> I always forget to bookmark it :p
[12:36] <aluex> i do want to learn linux well. :(
[12:37] <Ian_corne> You never used linux before?
[12:37] <yofel> nope, and it's not like I checked it, it's just that I was using de.archive... which doesn't have 35, then switched to main which has 35 :P
[12:37] <aluex> just for normal use.
[12:37] <gnomefreak> and you are using 10.10? not the besst of ideas
[12:37] <Ian_corne> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[12:37] <aluex> oh.
[12:38] <aluex> But i love experience new things
[12:38] <gnomefreak> aluex: you should have at least waited for a beta
[12:38] <aluex> gnomefreak, maybe you are right
[12:39]  * gnomefreak has not doubt in my mind that i am right. been doing this since 2nd release
[12:39] <yofel> Ian_corne: thx
[12:39] <aluex> gnomefreak, how do you make that?
[12:40] <aluex> just as above
[12:40] <gnomefreak> mhold that thought please im working on a USB stick but yofel arand can confirm what i am saying
[12:41] <aluex> mhold?
[12:41] <gnomefreak> s/mhold/hold
[12:42] <aluex> hold ?
[12:42] <yofel> acutally...
[12:42] <aluex> oh, i mean how do you make " * gnomefreak has not doubt in my mind that i am right."
[12:43] <aluex> your nickname didn't appear on the left side
[12:43] <aluex> but a '*'
[12:43] <yofel> aluex: type '/me ...'
[12:43] <Pici> /me does stuff
[12:44]  * aluex thinks this is a good idea
[12:44] <aluex> thanks!
[12:46] <aluex> byebye then,thank you all for your support. I plan to wait for more time
[12:46]  * gnomefreak accepting ideas for a few more hours
[13:04] <zetheroo> is there a channel for Unity?
[13:21] <BUGabundo_remote> zetheroo: afaik, no
[13:21] <zetheroo> I see
[13:23] <BUGabundo_remote> Ian_corne: how do you guys have .35?
[13:23] <BUGabundo_remote> mine won't even isntall
[13:23] <BUGabundo_remote> says its missing image
[13:26] <Ian_corne> Pick an up-to-date mirror
[13:26] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_remote: it is held back on purpose
[13:27] <gnomefreak> AFAIK
[13:35] <BUGabundo_remote> Ian_corne: erk like MAIN?
[13:45] <Ian_corne> I posted a link
[13:45] <Ian_corne> it has all really up-to-date mirrors listed
[13:46] <jpds> There should be a .36
[13:50] <Ian_corne> huh?
[13:55] <IdleOne> BUGabundo_remote: I saw you mention something about no sound at all in maverick a day or two ago
[13:55] <IdleOne> any idea when sound will be fixed?
[13:57] <BUGabundo_remote> not me
[13:57] <BUGabundo_remote> I have been here for the last 2 days
[13:57] <BUGabundo_remote> sound works for me, just startes mutted
[13:57] <IdleOne> BUGabundo_remote: I am running an upgrade now and getting Unpacking linux-image-2.6.35-1-generic
[13:57] <IdleOne> BUGabundo_remote: must of been someone else in that case :)
[13:59] <BUGabundo_remote> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[13:59] <BUGabundo_remote>   linux-headers-2.6.35-1{a} linux-headers-2.6.35-1-generic{a} linux-image-2.6.35-1-generic{a}
[13:59] <BUGabundo_remote> yay
[14:00] <IdleOne> \o/
[14:00] <BUGabundo_remote> \w/
[14:00] <BUGabundo_remote> \o\\o\\o//o//o/
[14:00] <Ian_corne> \m/
[14:01] <jpds> ~o~
[14:01] <rsk> (_)_)[14:01] <BUGabundo_remote>  /0\
[14:01] <Pici> The following packages failed to install: ... :P
[14:01] <BUGabundo_remote> ahah Pici
[14:01] <BUGabundo_remote> Current status: 0 updates [-10].
[14:02] <BUGabundo_remote> humm does .35 have the less titen security, so I can run desktop couch?
[14:02]  * BUGabundo_remote should look at the emails
[14:26] <vish> !schedule
[14:39] <BluesKaj> howdy
[14:45] <hggdh> anyone experiencing kernel oops on <IP_ADDRESS>?
[14:45] <hggdh> ?
[14:55] <BUGabundo_remote> no
[14:55] <BUGabundo_remote> I couldn't even isntall it, till an hour agor
[14:57] <BUGabundo_remote> http://pplware.sapo.pt/passatempos/passatempo-%e2%80%93-ubuntu-nas-tentacoes-de-baco/comment-page-1/#comment-313543  LOOLOL
[15:01] <arand> dartt: ...But do keep in mind that you should expect the worst when running alpha software...
[15:01] <dartt> ok...actually i hv stopped getting updates from lucid aftr a gpg error....
[15:01] <dartt> i cant reinstall
[15:04] <gnomefreak> dartt: see #ubuntu for Lucid support
[15:05] <dartt> i hv alrdy asked there...but in vain
[15:05] <gnomefreak> dartt: this channel is not for Lucid support
[15:05] <dartt> ok...can u tell me how to upgrade to mm alpha 1
[15:06] <gnomefreak> dartt: join #ubuntu and try to ask again someone will answer when they know
[15:06] <gnomefreak> dartt: that is not something you want to do
[15:06] <dartt> its ok...i wil do it
[15:06] <gnomefreak> upgrading to a pre beta is not going to fix anything
[15:06] <Pici> It will make things worse.
[15:07] <Ian_corne> dartt: System->Admin->Software Sources
[15:07] <gnomefreak> seeing as you had to ask how that makes me wonder if you can handle everything breaking
[15:07] <gnomefreak> Ian_corne: its update-manager
[15:07] <Ian_corne> go to the Authentication tab
[15:07] <Ian_corne> and then click Restore defaults
[15:08] <dartt> hmm...seems i am stuck....i hv to reinstall
[15:09] <Ian_corne> dartt: did you do what I said?
[15:09] <dartt> i alrdy clicked on it...but i m not getting two kernel update which everyone else got
[15:09] <Ian_corne> do you still get gpg errors?
[15:09] <dartt> no
[15:09] <Ian_corne> maybe try to select another mirror
[15:10] <Pici> !support
[15:10] <dartt> i tries 3 mirrors...nothing
[15:10] <dartt> ok
[15:11] <jpds> dartt: Which ones?
[15:11] <dartt> i selected choose best server...it gave me 3 diff servers
[15:12] <dartt> nyway ubottu is telling me this is not the right place to discuss
[15:13] <BUGabundo_remote> ahahaha
[15:13] <dartt> xD
[15:13] <BUGabundo_remote> jpds: maybe you can take it to private?
[15:13] <BUGabundo_remote> 1'etupgkcn
[15:13] <Ian_corne> It's finaly come, people listen to bots but not to humans :(
[15:13] <Ian_corne> BUGabundo_remote: what was that 1'etupkgcn :p
[15:13] <BUGabundo_remote> I've been hit by ORACLE/SUN change in GPG key
[15:14] <dartt> bots can ban
[15:14] <BUGabundo_remote> I had the old one, and adding the new one, would not allow me to install upgrades
[15:14] <BUGabundo_remote> Ian_corne: garbage, from NX buffer
[15:14] <Ian_corne> aha :)
[15:14] <BUGabundo_remote> dartt: no. human OPs can
[15:14] <gnomefreak> dartt: ubottu: cant ban you but people can
[15:15] <dartt> hmm...but they are half bots
[15:15] <BUGabundo_remote> hihihhihihi
[15:15] <gnomefreak> however please bring non 10.10 support to another channel either #ubuntu or #ubuntu-offtopic please
[15:15] <BUGabundo_remote> dartt: you just met two of them: Pici and gnomefreak :D
[15:15] <dartt> oops
[15:15]  * Pici adds that #ubuntu-offtopic isn't for support
[15:16] <gnomefreak> Pici: oops i forgot that part
[15:16] <dartt> ok i gotta go...i m off to #ubuntu
[15:16] <BUGabundo_remote> wow half bots teaching each other... you were correct Ian_corne! that day did come
[15:16] <BUGabundo_remote> erk humans :p
[15:16]  * BUGabundo_remote ducks and goes back to work
[15:17] <dartt> lol
[15:18] <patdk-wk> I was pretty sure this channel was the 10.10 support channel
[15:18] <Ian_corne> it is!
[15:19]  * patdk-wk spanks gnomefreak
[15:19] <BUGabundo_remote> o.O
[15:19] <patdk-wk> oh, non
[15:25] <dartt> guys tell me how to upgrade to alpha 1 i ma try on vmwARE
[15:34] <BUGabundo_remote> ahah
[15:34] <BUGabundo_remote> how to work around it :)
[15:34] <BUGabundo_remote> ok $ update-manager -d
[15:34] <BUGabundo_remote> I do see the efford you are appying here
[15:35] <BUGabundo_remote> lets see how long it lasts you, my young child
[15:35] <BUGabundo_remote> may the force be with you
[15:51] <jpds> BUGabundo_remote: No.
[16:09] <BUGabundo_remote> jpds: no to what?
[16:34] <coz_> hey guys... who would be responsible for the package secure-delete
[16:41] <h00k> bah, i can't wait for the next kernel to fix my rt2860 wireless problem
[16:42] <hifi> coz_: someone from debian
[16:42] <hifi> it's direcly imported from it
[16:42] <Ian_corne> h00k: you got .35 yet?
[16:42] <hifi> you can see the original author here: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/s/secure-delete/secure-delete_3.1-5/changelog
[16:43] <h00k> Ian_corne: is it in the repos?
[16:43] <hifi> yes
[16:43] <h00k> :o since when? I missed that.
[16:43] <d1b> hi is brtfs available in the 10.10 alpha installer?
[16:43] <h00k> Also, did it fix the rt problems?
[16:44] <Ian_corne> today
[16:44] <Ian_corne> I don't know
[16:44] <Ian_corne> do'nt have the bandwith to spare to upgrade at home
[16:44] <h00k> hrm.
[16:46] <h00k> Ian_corne: if you ask nicely, I can upgrade and check
[16:46] <Ian_corne> well h00k it's not very useful for me, since it won't help me until I can upgrade and check :p
[16:46] <h00k> Ian_corne: well, I have a rt here that I can upgrade on
[16:47] <h00k> Ian_corne: you had the bug reported, right?
[16:47] <h00k> and if it works here, I bet it'll work there!
[16:47] <Ian_corne> Uhu
[16:48] <coz_> hifi,  thanks... need to speak to him :)
[16:48] <d1b> so no one knows?
[16:49] <Ian_corne> no1 currently looking at the channel apperntly
[16:49] <Ian_corne> there's also only an alternative installer
[16:49] <jpds> d1b: I think it will be available in a later alpha.
[16:50] <Ian_corne> Probably around the time the installer gets an update
[16:52] <arand> d1b: There's still fiddling about with grub2 to do in order to make it work.
[16:52] <arand> I think.
[16:52] <d1b> :/
[16:53] <Ian_corne> well arand only for root partition then?
[16:56] <arand> Yea, but plan was to enable btrfs for root for 1010, I guess btrfs-tools will work, but yea, I don't think the installer supports it yet.. There's nothing in the installer changelogs...
[16:57] <h00k> which way is generally less hassle, just sed lucid for maverick in my sources?
[16:57] <h00k> to upgrade?
[16:57] <arand> h00k: Well do-release-upgrade is the proper way.
[16:58] <arand> h00k: Which will basically do just that, disable PPAs, and go
[16:58] <arand> *"sudo do-release-upgrade -d"
[16:59] <Ian_corne> well you can keep your ppa's at lucid
[16:59] <h00k> do-release-upgrade -d tells me notta is available
[16:59] <h00k> so.
[16:59] <arand> Hmm, maybe you need to set upgrades to non-LTS ?
[16:59] <h00k> I don't have any ppa's, I just reinstalled yesterday
[17:00] <h00k> oh, that's righ, I haven't changed that yet
[18:25] <h00k> Ian_corne: Yes, wireless works here.
[18:25] <Ian_corne> nice :)
[18:25] <h00k> Ian_corne: rt2860sta
[18:26] <yofel> here too
[18:27] <h00k> excellent.
[18:27] <h00k> and is Unity only available from the PPA?
[18:27] <h00k> yep.
[18:28] <Ian_corne> Well
[18:28] <Ian_corne> It doesn't seem to do much for me atm
[18:28] <Ian_corne> If i log into a unity session
[18:28] <Ian_corne> the left side bar doesn't pop up
[18:28] <h00k> Yeah, you get that sidebar on the right
[18:28] <h00k> oh, I did when I tried it before
[18:28] <Ian_corne> Yeah it did for me too
[18:28] <Ian_corne> but then i clean installed
[18:28] <h00k> ah
[18:28] <Ian_corne> and doesn't do it for me anymore :p
[18:29] <ActionParsnip> Yo yo yo +1
[18:29] <h00k> oy oy oy.
[18:30] <ActionParsnip> Anyone use an intel i3865 wifi chip with the 2.6.35 kernel? It never connects here. Logging a bug later
[18:31] <ActionParsnip> Also if I restart x using CAB I cannot login as the system cannot connect to some security subsystem or somesuch (again, bug will be logged later). Just curious if anyone had these experiencees?
[18:41] <om26er> ActionParsnip, not exactly the same but my wifi kept disconnecting with 2.6.35 again and again but worked fine with 34 but then I played with xorg egers stuff and now the system dont start :(
[18:42] <ActionParsnip> Xorg edgers is sweet :). I've not applied it here though. I'm gonna hang til another kernel arrives :)
[18:42] <ActionParsnip> Om26er: the edgers ppa also shows how to revert to the old afair
[18:43] <h00k> is RGBA enabled right now in +1?
[18:43] <om26er> yes
[18:44] <om26er> if you use a murrine themes you see transparent windows
[18:44] <h00k> which doesn't include any of the ones in installed by default
[18:45] <om26er> indead
[20:22] <o_portista17> i have a problem, i don't have sound and already tried OSS, Alsa with and without pulseaudio, and it's not working at all...and even with alsa installed i can't run alsamixer, can't open Mixer: file or folder not found. and aplay -l , says that there was no sound-card detected
[20:23] <sebsebseb> Hi
[20:23] <Pici> o_portista17: This is on Maverick?
[20:24] <o_portista17> yes
[20:24] <o_portista17> but i've lost sound on 10.04, that's the reason for my update to the maverick
[20:24] <Pici> Okay just checking ;)
[20:26] <sebsebseb> o_portista17: I just joined, losing sound in the stable, and then upgrading to the first proper development version of the next version,  doesn't sound that good, since it will have bugs here and there, and probably more than the stable.
[20:27] <o_portista17> i know...but i like the risk of it :p
[20:27] <o_portista17> i had sound on the maverick with alsa, but now, i don't...
[20:27] <sebsebseb> o_portista17: try alsamixer in the terminal or something I guess
[20:27] <Jibadeeha> o_portista17, have you used alsamixer to unmute one of the channels
[20:27] <sebsebseb> o_portista17: you sure its using alsa though?
[20:28] <sebsebseb> since Ubuntu does pulseaudio as of 8.04
[20:28] <o_portista17> alsamixer is not working..is says that the "mixer" can't be found...
[20:28] <o_portista17> and i have no pulseaudio...and uninstalled oss thru synaptic
[20:29] <Jibadeeha> install pulseaudio
[20:29] <Jibadeeha> then use alsamixer
[20:29] <o_portista17> installing..
[20:30] <Jibadeeha> ok
[20:30] <o_portista17> even with pulseaudio running, alsamixer says the same thing
[20:31] <Jibadeeha> are you sure it is running?
[20:31] <o_portista17> ps ax |grep pulse
[20:31] <o_portista17> 26846 ?        S<sl   0:01 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog
[20:34] <Jibadeeha> what card do you have o_portista17
[20:34] <Jibadeeha> o_portista17, do this
[20:35] <Jibadeeha> o_portista17, cd /proc/asound ; cat cards
[20:35] <o_portista17> e don't have asound dir
[20:37] <Jibadeeha> do you know if you have an intel sound card
[20:37] <Jibadeeha> try lsmod | grep snd
[20:38] <o_portista17> no output
[20:38] <Jibadeeha> it sounds like your kernel doesn't support your sound card or there are no sound modules loaded
[20:38] <Jibadeeha> i suspect the latter
[20:39] <Jibadeeha> try modprobe snd_mixer_oss
[20:40] <o_portista17> FATAL: Module snd_mixer_oss not found.
[20:40] <Jibadeeha> do you now what sound card you have?
[20:40] <Jibadeeha> are you using a laptop?
[20:40] <o_portista17> yes
[20:40] <o_portista17> Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB4x0 High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
[20:43] <Jibadeeha> are you using the generic kernel?
[20:43] <o_portista17> yes
[20:43] <o_portista17> 2.6.34-5
[20:44] <Jibadeeha> do this just to be sure you have all the modules installed
[20:44] <Jibadeeha> sudo apt-get update
[20:44] <Jibadeeha> sudo apt-get upgrade
[20:44] <Jibadeeha> sudo apt-get install linux-ubuntu-modules-$(uname -r)
[20:45] <Jibadeeha> then reboot
[20:45] <o_portista17> it can't find the package: linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.34-5-generic
[20:46] <Jibadeeha> oh let me check that
[20:46] <o_portista17> i think is not out
[20:46] <Jibadeeha> are you using ubuntu 10.04 or 10.10?
[20:46] <o_portista17> 10.10
[20:46] <Jibadeeha> i am using 10.04 at the moment as we speak
[20:47] <Jibadeeha> it sounds like you don't have the kernal module for your sound card
[20:47] <Jibadeeha> you would be best installing 10.04
[20:47] <Jibadeeha> i will check 10.10 though
[20:50] <Jibadeeha> i can't remember what the name is
[20:51] <Jibadeeha> ah looks like the modules are now with the kernel itself: linux-image-$(uname-r)
[20:54] <o_portista17> so...in other words, im screwed?
[20:55] <Jibadeeha> lol o_portista17
[20:55] <Jibadeeha> has it worked with previous versions of ubuntu
[20:55] <o_portista17> my video card is not suported, my audio card, doesn't work anymore...time to change OS ? ;x
[20:56] <o_portista17> it was working...but since i rebooted and made some upgrades on 10.10, it's not working
[20:56] <Jibadeeha> what about with 10.04
[20:56] <h00k> don't forget to file bug reports so it can get fixed!
[20:57] <o_portista17> it was working, but suddenly it stopped, and then i upgraded to 10.10
[20:57] <Jibadeeha> o_portista17, these situations can arise with Windows - infact more so with my hardware
[20:58] <Jibadeeha> i don't think upgrading to 10.10 will help given it is alpha
[20:58] <Jibadeeha> i would go back to a fresh install of 10.04 if i were you and work out your problems with that as it is well supported and production status
[20:58] <Jibadeeha> 10.10 is asking for trouble
[21:01] <o_portista17> i don't want a fresh install ;x
[21:04] <Jibadeeha> o_portista17, do you keep your home directory on a separate partition?
[21:05] <o_portista17> no, all in the same disk/partition
[21:09] <Jibadeeha> would have been easier if you had home mounted on a separate partition as then you could do a fresh install with out touching your home stuff
[22:44] <BUGabundo> what was that command to see the screen DPI number ?
[22:46] <Ian_corne> no idea
[22:46] <Ian_corne> I'm on wireless!
[22:46] <Ian_corne> Seems to work now
[22:46] <Ian_corne> altho the signal strength is not displayed correctly I think
[22:46] <BUGabundo> xdpyinfo
[22:52] <h00k> Ian_corne: horray!
[23:05] <DanaG1> BUGabundo: to see screen DPI, it used to be xdpyinfo... but now Xorg lies and says everything is 96.
[23:06] <DanaG1> So my laptop is apparently 20 inches diagonal.
[23:06] <DanaG1> Or so it claims.
[23:12] <InnerFIRE_> can someone help with sound on my thinkpad
[23:12] <InnerFIRE_> i run a company with over 300 employees and many dont have sound working on their laptops
[23:13] <holstein> hey InnerFIRE_
[23:13] <BUGabundo> DanaG mine says 113
[23:13] <holstein> you want #ubuntu
[23:13] <holstein> or #ubuntu-beginners
[23:13] <BUGabundo> InnerFIRE_: and you are running maverick on ALL of them?
[23:13] <BUGabundo> you should contact a Canonical comercial, for paid support
[23:13] <holstein> aldo check out http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/
[23:13] <InnerFIRE_> im running lucid
[23:14] <holstein> for a local team
[23:14] <holstein> this channel is for the next release
[23:14] <InnerFIRE_> paid support? it should just work
[23:14] <holstein> maverick
[23:14] <InnerFIRE_> ok
[23:14] <holstein> InnerFIRE_: where are you located?
[23:14] <InnerFIRE_> this is becoming more and more like windows
[23:14] <InnerFIRE_> seattle,wa
[23:16] <holstein> i would try #ubuntu-us-wa
[23:16] <holstein> and try making some friends there
[23:16] <holstein> i have found LOTS of help at my loco channel
[23:16] <holstein> #ubuntu-us-nc
[23:17] <InnerFIRE_> ok.. thank u.. didnt know such channels existed
[23:18] <kklimonda> ugh, if I had 300 laptops and were running ubuntu on all of them I'd pay Canonical for support just to keep my sanity intact..
[23:18] <holstein> and those channels are nothing like #windows ;)
[23:21] <jpds> InnerFIRE_: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/services FWIW.
[23:22] <Andre_Gondim> where are sun-java6-plugins ?
[23:23] <jpds> Andre_Gondim: In partner.
[23:23] <jpds> !partner | Andre_Gondim
[23:26] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: identica
[23:27] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: identica what? :)
[23:27] <BUGabundo> check it
[23:27] <kklimonda> I do
[23:28] <kklimonda> I even have you subscribed
[23:28] <BUGabundo> I bet you are glad I reduced my usaged there, and focused more on android teams on twitter :/
[23:31] <InnerFIRE_> dont need business "help" sound should just work out of the box with ubuntu. it always has with other os/s
[23:32] <BUGabundo> InnerFIRE_: looking at the growce of LP bugs, I would say NO
[23:33] <kklimonda> InnerFIRE_: have you tried using backported modules and the ubuntu audio dev ppa?
[23:34] <InnerFIRE_> whats lp bugs. and ive used synaptic and downloaded backport modules
[23:34] <InnerFIRE_> is there something else i should be upgrading to ?
[23:36] <kklimonda> well, you can always try the ubuntu audio dev ppa as it has the most recent alsa snapshot at this time. but then the problem may not be related to alsa at all and this isn't really a channel to start a long debugging session not related to maverick
[23:36] <h00k> !bug | InnerFIRE_
[23:36] <h00k> InnerFIRE_: launchpad bugs ^
[23:38] <BUGabundo> guys, please redirect this to #ubuntu
[23:41] <InnerFIRE_> dude this aint just a bug.. its a problem. its all over the internet and nobody can fix it. its been going on for over 3 distros
[23:43] <BUGabundo> InnerFIRE_: either file a bug (to colect your data) and idle at #ubuntu-audio-help till crisum has some free time, or hire an ALSA dev


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 @rocket2nfinity [Google Voice also works for those on arm64. But without notification support unl …], hmm feels like we should make a list of missing apps and hunt down the repos to fix 'em
 That would be nice. Off the top of my head, libertine tweak tool, and linphone. Several that have been ported to arm 64 are broken but work on 32bit.
 hmm i wonder where we could keep track of such apps
 Anbox for instance. There is a patched driver in Linux kernel 5.8 to make it run on arm 64 from what I have and tested, but anbox in arm64 only opens android apps as a black screen on my N6P
 When I had an 32bit device, I was comparing them, and sending notes to the app developers in the store asking for 64bit support. But I gave that device away to somebody.... Hope they get it soon
 Without a 32 bit device, I can't even see those apps anymore in the app store
 iirc anbox missed an arm64 image
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 likely
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 Checking again, I see libertine tweak tool has been ported to arm64. Still hoping for Web App Creator in addition to Webber
 And linphone or any other VoIP app. That's going to start being important to a lot of people in the US starting the end of this month.
 ah web app creator, that one hasn't seen an update in ages
 guess for linphone we should take @cibersheep iirc
 [Edit] guess for linphone we should ping @cibersheep iirc
 I kind of like them both - Webber and Web App Creator
[07:28] <ubptgbot> Yo5eff was added by: Yo5eff
 @Fuseteam [guess for linphone we should ping @cibersheep iirc], He is aware of it. But there seem to be some issues.
 @rocket2nfinity [And linphone or any other VoIP app. That's going to start being important to a l …], Has T-mobile made an official announcement for ending 3G after this month?  They are my carrier, and while they were rumored to be doing so, I have yet to receibe an actual notice from them
 ...but yes, Linphone for arm64 would be great to have!
 @rocket2nfinity [I kind of like them both - Webber and Web App Creator], Me too, wish one of them would eventually  incorporate all of the features missing from the other
 @TotalSonic [Has T-mobile made an official announcement for ending 3G after this month?  They …], https://www.androidpolice.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/22/More-info-about-T-Mobile-phones-discontinued2-scaled.jpg
 From the horse's mouth
 Thanks!
 I might need to move to AT&T in order keep using UT as my daily driver then - although I do not know if they are allowing new activations for devices not on their "whitelist“
 @rocket2nfinity [https://www.androidpolice.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/22/More-info-about-T-Mo …], Which is very interesting: As stated they cannot connect any longer to the network, means they turn off 3G, 2G and GSM at the same time?
 Thats a bold move
 Yes, 3G & 2G both at the same time, and for the kicker - if your device cannot access VoLTE, it gets kicked off the data network as well
 AT&T is following suit with a by name whitelist. Even if the device can be made to have VoLTE by hacks
 @TotalSonic [I might need to move to AT&T in order keep using UT as my daily driver then - al …], That would be yes to the whitelist, and if it's not on it, too bad so sad
 Their list is on their website. There's still confusion as to whether they will let you stay on with a data only Sim though
 Well see Jan 29, and Feb 1 2021 for AT&T
 https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge
 I just randomly stumbled upon this
 @xyn_dev [I just randomly stumbled upon this], Yeah blast from the past
 At least the idea still lives on :D
 Wow so long ago... I would have preferred to get that phone instead of the money back.
 [Edit] Well see Jan 29, and Feb 1 2022 for AT&T
 Wow, such a waste generated with fully functionnal devices... Is there a third carrier you guys can use?
 US Cellular and other regional carriers remain. I do not live in an area with a regional carrier. Only the big three for me...
 @A_T_R [Can you share the Manjaro arm64 link], lots of manual tweaks needed arm, I'll be making it automatic and publishing it somewhere soon
 @calebccff [lots of manual tweaks needed arm, I'll be making it automatic and publishing it …], Ok fine
 @rocket2nfinity [And linphone or any other VoIP app. That's going to start being important to a l …], [Edit] Has T-mobile made an official announcement for ending 3G after this month?  They are my carrier, and while they were rumored to be doing so, I have yet to receive an actual notice from them
[09:31] <ubptgbot> kekeveqoseb was added by: kekeveqoseb
 @A_T_R [Can you share the Manjaro arm64 link], [Edit] lots of manual tweaks needed atm, I'll be making it automatic and publishing it somewhere soon
 @rocket2nfinity [And linphone or any other VoIP app. That's going to start being important to a l …], We could use some help with the Linphone app, it's true :)
 Do the people and ubports have an offtopic chat or are all chats only on business? (I just tried to modify the OS bootloader here and decided to show what can happen if you start shamanizing with a splash screen and it seems to me that there is no place for him here, because this is probably closer to offtopic)
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [Do the people and ubports have an offtopic chat or are all chats only on busines …], https://t.me/UBportsOF
 @rocket2nfinity [I kind of like them both - Webber and Web App Creator], hmm that's far
 @Danfro [He is aware of it. But there seem to be some issues.], ah i see
[12:05] <ubptgbot> farmer_kamau was added by: farmer_kamau
 I ℝĖCEIVED ẾTНEℝEUM from ÊLLON MUŚК Ǻlrdop … ℒÔÔK https://bit.ly/3sTy1EW
[13:10] <ubptgbot> 👽TH3-H@T3D-ØN3👽 was added by: 👽TH3-H@T3D-ØN3👽
 Is there any ubport for Xiaomi MiA1 (tissot) ?
 it's work in progress
 afaik
 @TotalSonic [I might need to move to AT&T in order keep using UT as my daily driver then - al …], search for the prepaid, bring your own, 1-year - if you buy a year i paid $25 a month
[15:53] <ubptgbot> NikosPantelaros was added by: NikosPantelaros
[15:54] <ubptgbot> Wyominite was added by: Wyominite
 @TotalSonic [Has T-mobile made an official announcement for ending 3G after this month?  They …], not sure what is going on, last I knew is your device had to support VoLTE or they werent going to allow it to work (outside of U.S. mandated emergency calls)
 Any news for pixel 2 xl? Thanks
 @NikosPantelaros [Any news for pixel 2 xl? Thanks], https://forums.ubports.com/topic/5534/porting-call-for-testers/12
[16:27] <ubptgbot> <Neely Maldonado> (Photo, 459x361) https://irc.ubports.com/RLWEdCbt.png
 @Neely Maldonado [<reply to media>], delet this
 @Flohack @dohbee @Stereofont @fredldotme got a spammer
[16:30] <ubptgbot> * alan_griffiths wonders when/if teleports will get a "report" option
 @alan_griffiths [/me wonders when/if teleports will get a "report" option], Yes we are pondering that already
 Its easy to add probably
 Biggest discussion is which icon to take ;)
 why does it need an icon?
[16:39] <ubptgbot> CipriSky was added by: CipriSky
 @dohbee [why does it need an icon?], On the slide-menu I presume.
 @Flohack [Biggest discussion is which icon to take ;)], the exclaimation triangle!
 @calebccff [<reply to media>], This is really cool! I wonder if it's also possible to get Arch Linux ARM working  too?
 @bettehem [This is really cool! I wonder if it's also possible to get Arch Linux ARM workin …], It is, I booted it before and manually installed KDE which was fun. I'm mostly hyped to have Lomiri as on UT pinephone builds mesa is pretty broken for me, but on manjaro it seems to work fine. Lomiri on mainline oneplus 6 is way way faster t
[17:51] <ubptgbot> han on halium which is interesting
 Nice. I have a OnePlus 3 and would really like to get Arch Linux ARM running on this but I don't really know where to start
 I have been using regular Arch Linux on the desktop for years already but I'm afraid most of my knowledge is only useful after I get the os up and running... … I don't know how I can boot Arch Linux ARM on my phone
 Im looking at escaping google and apple im a linux mint/cinnamon person trying to put ME out of business on linux at a tome😊 I see so many options and phones is there a most bang for the buck phone able to use some sort of linux? Thanks
 @bettehem [I have been using regular Arch Linux on the desktop for years already but I'm af …], The OnePlus 3 does have a mainline port, check out the postmarketOS documentation. You should basically be able to build an initramfs that mounts and boots an arch linux arm rootfs image, this repo might be helpful: https://gitlab.com/sdm845-
[18:00] <ubptgbot> mainline/pmtools
 @IdahoPhotoist [Im looking at escaping google and apple im a linux mint/cinnamon person trying t …], totally subjective imho, depends on your price range, what features you care about and what OS you wanna run
 @calebccff [The OnePlus 3 does have a mainline port, check out the postmarketOS documentatio …], Nice, thanks a lot! I'll check it out right after dinner. Is it okay to pm you if I have more questions about this?
 I feel like this is a bit off-topic for this group chat
 @calebccff [totally subjective imho, depends on your price range, what features you care abo …], Thanks
 @bettehem [Nice, thanks a lot! I'll check it out right after dinner. Is it okay to pm you i …], Thanks for asking first lol, yeah if you're totally stuck I'll see if I can help, I can't do much about device specific issues though as I don't own a OnePlus 3
 Hey, has anyone had good experience with running Thunderbird or a decent Linux RSS client via Libertine? Looking for a good RSS client but don’t like/am having trouble with the current options in the OpenStore.
 @calebccff [Thanks for asking first lol, yeah if you're totally stuck I'll see if I can help …], No problem! Thanks for your help👍
[20:20] <ubptgbot> Allen was added by: Allen
 Hey, trying to install UBports on Nexus 6p... Went through an installation process and update process. But then my phone is just stuck and will not reboot. I don't seem to have an Android system in place but Ubuntu won't work either. Anyone has any ideas? Thanks.
 Did you wipe data before using the installer? Try formatting data
 How do I do this?
 TWRP
 we have a similar case in the @welcomePlus room maybe tis time to ping the porter @Flohack
 I saw this somewhere but my phone is totally stuck.
 The installer should have told you the most important steps, install stock Android 7.1.2 and remove the encryption by formatting data
 after it has been installed. Both are critical to get this phone working
 Power + volume down to get into recovery
 @Flohack [The installer should have told you the most important steps, install stock Andro …], this is info i needed 🤔
 In Recovery I have Reboot system now..Ubuntu actions..Android Actions. Which one do I choose?
 Oh well that does not help. You need to bring in TWRP recovery again
 And then, go there to the advanced wipe, and format data partition...
 Our recovery cannot be used for much other than auto-updates 😆
 Do I need Android for this?
 you just need twrp
 iiuc
 @Allen [Do I need Android for this?], No, you go to fastboot mode, and flash TWRP recovery
 like this
 Fwd from Fuseteam: try these steps to install twrp: … - reboot to fastboot mode … - run `fastboot oem unlock … `- download the correct image from https://twrp.me/Devices … - run `fastboot flash recovery twrp.img … `- and reboot into recovery … tags for future reference: #twrp #installation
 I guess my confusion is — do I install this on my phone(which is totally stuck) or on a computer and then connect to the phone? Bear with me since I'm not familiar with insides of phone devices. thanks
 @Allen [I guess my confusion is — do I install this on my phone(which is totally stuck) …], Its ok. Didnt you install TWRP before already?
 Did the installer show any warning popups?
 no. Not really
 Oh my. then this is wrong. I must excuse myself. So, thats smth we must fix ^^
 The installer should tell you the prerequisites for that model. And, if you had Android running, you need to remove encryption from data partition. And also you need to reset it to sstock Android 7.1.2 - which one did you have so far?
 I guess I didn't do any of this. Is there a way to fix this or do I need to install Android again somehow and go through the process in a correct way?
 Yeah so the correct way is: … - Download this thing: https://dl.google.com/dl/android/aosp/angler-n2g48c-factory-6a21e528.zip … - Boot into Android, unlock adb and oem unlock options, you can find a guid for that … - reboot into fastboot mode, also kinda tutorials around
 oh no too early xD
 oh no speedracer slow down 👀
 [Edit] Yeah so the correct way is: … - Download this thing: https://dl.google.com/dl/android/aosp/angler-n2g48c-factory-6a21e528.zip … - reboot into fastboot mode, kinda tutorials around  … - extract it and follow the instructions … - Boot into Android, unlock adb and oem unlock options, you can find a guide for that … - reboot again into
[20:43] <ubptgbot>  fastboot mode … - do fastboot flashing unlock on cmdline
 then, download TWRP recovery from here: https://dl.twrp.me/angler/twrp-3.3.1-0-angler.img.html … - flash this using fastboot flash recovery ....img (the image that came out of this download)
 Then, oh my god, more steps, boot into recovery by selecting recovery with the vol buttons and confirm with pwr button
 thats really not easy I know ^^ but its worth
 👍 Let me give it a try. thanks guys!
 Then, WTWRP has a Wipe button I think.
 I am not finished :P
 Go for wipe, but then advanced, format data or so
 uhh can be break into smaller steps i'm gonna have to send this to the welcome room
 Then while still in TWRP, you should be good using the installer again
 [Edit] uhh can this be broken into smaller steps i'm gonna have to send this to the welcome room
 i'm not sure i totally follow what needs to happen
 😳 I know PCs — this is harder.
 @Fuseteam [uhh can this be broken into smaller steps i'm gonna have to send this to the wel …], Haha sorry I was racing it
 @Allen [😳 I know PCs — this is harder.], Are you on linux? Which OS?
 @Fuseteam [oh no speedracer slow down 👀], like i said
 windows
 i think we have like 2-3 cases of this in the welcome room
 urgh Windows you will also need Android platform tools for getting fastboot and adb. And the USB drivers
 step 1 live usb; makes things a whole lot easier
 :P
 xD
 @Flohack [Yeah so the correct way is: … - Download this thing: https://dl.google.com/dl/andr …], lemme see if i get this right: … - Download this thing: https://dl.google.com/dl/android/aosp/angler-n2g48c-factory-6a21e528.zip … - reboot into fastboot mode,(sideload zip somehow????)  … - extract it and follow the instructions(wait.... was
[20:52] <ubptgbot>  the previous just reboot to fastboot mode?) … - Boot into Android, unlock adb and oem unlock options, you can find a guide for that … - reboot again into fastboot mode … - run `fastboot flashing unlock` … - download TWRP recovery from here: https://dl.twrp.me/angler/twrp-3.3.1-0-angler.img.html … - flash by running `fastboot flash recovery twrp.im
[20:52] <ubptgbot> g` (the image that came out of this download) … - boot into recovery by selecting recovery with the vol buttons and confirm with pwr button … - Go for wipe, but then advanced, format data … - run installer … - ??? … - ubuntu touch
 Ok guys, I will go one by one. This is a good learning process. thanks again.
 Allen are these steps clear enough?
 @Flohack [https://forums.ubports.com/topic/5534/porting-call-for-testers/12], how will i be able to do tests ???
 I will not know for sure until I'm done. I will write to you if I'm stuck, and I will write if I'm successful.
 @NikosPantelaros [how will i be able to do tests ???], did you read the forum thread?
 @Allen [I will not know for sure until I'm done. I will write to you if I'm stuck, and I …], ok i'm forwarding this to the @welcomeplus room, there's someone else there who is also trying to install the nexus 6p
 feel free to write in there, i'll tag the post as #nexus6p for easy reference
 @Flohack [Yeah so the correct way is: … - Download this thing: https://dl.google.com/dl/andr …], [Edit] lemme if i got this right from @Flohack, to install the #nexus6p we need to: … - Download this thing: https://dl.google.com/dl/android/aosp/angler-n2g48c-factory-6a21e528.zip … - reboot into fastboot mode,(sideload zip somehow????)  …
[21:01] <ubptgbot> - extract it and follow the instructions(wait.... was the previous just reboot to fastboot mode?) … - Boot into Android, unlock adb and oem unlock options, you can find a guide for that … - reboot again into fastboot mode … - run `fastboot flashing unlock … `- download TWRP recovery from here: https://dl.twrp.me/angler/twrp-3.3.1-0-angler.img.html
[21:01] <ubptgbot> … - flash by running `fastboot flash recovery twrp.img` (the image that came out of this download) … - boot into recovery by selecting recovery with the vol buttons and confirm with pwr button … - Go for wipe, but then advanced, format data … - run installer … - ??? … - ubuntu touch
 This might help https://forums.ubports.com/topic/3678/call-for-testing-google-huawei-nexus-6p-angler-owners/607?lang=en-US
 oooh that does sound relevant thanks
 At the part where it says manual steps in terminal, try the installer first
 If it doesn't work, you can always install manually
[21:10] <ubptgbot> pastorale2042 was added by: pastorale2042
 I should stress, try 8 core regular TWRP first
 If it fails, then try 4 core. No sense wasting those cores until it's necessary
 (Photo, 598x1154) https://irc.ubports.com/n3RslufL.png
[22:04] <ubptgbot> Davide was added by: Davide
[23:21] <ubptgbot> TheRealBigJake was added by: TheRealBigJake
[23:50] <ubptgbot> <Soscat House> I folks, can webapps created from webber store login credentials?  I setup a local newspaper site, but cant seem to login while in the webapp...I get shifted to the browser...
[23:53] <ubptgbot> Garrett M was added by: Garrett M
[23:58] <ubptgbot> <Garrett M> Hi I have a One plus 6T that I am running Lineage OS on and would like to try Ubuntu Touch for comparison,  I have been looking over the site and still am unsure what I need to do the install process.


[04:17] <mup> Bug #1832448 changed: ipmi commission filed- nic check false <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1832448>
[04:26] <mup> Bug #1832448 opened: ipmi commission filed- nic check false <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1832448>
[04:29] <mup> Bug #1832448 changed: ipmi commission filed- nic check false <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1832448>
[04:38] <mup> Bug #1832448 opened: ipmi commission filed- nic check false <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1832448>
[04:41] <mup> Bug #1832448 changed: ipmi commission filed- nic check false <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1832448>
[07:55] <BlackDex> Hello ppl, is there a list of all the {{..}} curtin preseed template variables? Or some way for me to show them all somewhere/somehow?
[08:08] <mup> Bug #1839811 opened: MAAS release node API calls, option to avoid transitioning to "Ready" <sts> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1839811>
[08:14] <mup> Bug #1839811 changed: MAAS release node API calls, option to avoid transitioning to "Ready" <sts> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1839811>
[08:17] <mup> Bug #1839811 opened: MAAS release node API calls, option to avoid transitioning to "Ready" <sts> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1839811>
[12:48] <mup> Bug #1839491 changed: Manully performed partitioning changes get reverted on reboot <cloud-init:New> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1839491>


[00:47] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/elmz7cdq9mwiz7p/VID_20140315_004248.mp4
[00:47] <daftykins> classic Worms 2
[01:01] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5CjldZLXiAU
[01:06] <daftykins> diddledan: gimme a waffle
[02:16] <diddledan> does anyone know what the difference is between netgear prosafe plus switches and netgear prosafe smart switches?
[04:27] <mapp> hey
[06:53] <shauno_> diddledan: plus are unmanaged?
[06:53] <shauno_> ooh, timestamps.  oops
[09:02] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:03] <mapp> morning all
[09:03] <mapp> hey brobostigon
[09:04] <brobostigon> morning mapp
[09:08] <mapp> any plans for today pal
[09:08] <brobostigon> yes, need to get a new watchstrap for my pebble, the rubber watchstrap that came with it, irritates my eczema sometimes.
[09:09] <mapp> ah
[09:09] <mapp> never used a pebble
[09:09] <MartijnVdS> I never used a watch 8-)
[09:09] <brobostigon> mapp: they are very well known, but certainly here, not that many people have them.
[09:13] <bashrc> I had fancy watches in the 1980s.  The novelty soon wore off
[09:26] <bashrc> today I will be mostly attempting to install ubuntu touch
[09:45] <mapp> cool
[09:46] <mapp> on what8
[10:13] <bashrc> mapp: on nexus 4
[10:14] <bashrc> first I need to install ubuntu on a netbook and then use that to flash the phone
[10:21] <foobarry> morning
[10:22] <bashrc> morning
[10:30] <foobarry> doing a dist-upgrade ..500MB phew
[10:31] <foobarry> too many apps
[10:38] <mapp> gah
[10:38] <mapp> cant stop sneezing..horrid hayfever i guess
[10:38] <mapp> bashrc nexus4 is that a phone?
[10:38] <mapp> morning foobarry
[10:38] <popey> bpip pip
[10:39] <popey> bashrc: you can flash it without ubuntu
[10:39] <foobarry> just checking out my swag from yesterdays tech show
[10:40] <foobarry> prob 40 pens, 5 foam balls, coasters, sweets, gym bags, a lunch cool bag, some mugs, an led lenser torch and an iluv speaker
[10:41] <mapp> whered you go
[10:41] <foobarry> insight show @ billinsgate
[10:41] <foobarry> i got scanned a lot though so i will be spammed relentlessly
[10:42] <mapp> you went tothe fish market?
[10:42] <mapp> :D
[10:42] <mapp> had to googlw billinsgate heh
[10:42] <foobarry> got the most awesome torch i've ever seen
[10:42] <foobarry> scared to look directly at it
[10:44] <mapp> hmm
[10:44] <mapp> WOK
[10:44] <mapp> 20:12
[10:44] <mapp> SOT
[10:44] <mapp> 23:06
[10:44] <mapp> 2hr54
[10:44] <foobarry> woking/
[10:44] <mapp> next one arrives 01;20 didnt even know they run that late
[10:44] <mapp> yes
[10:44] <foobarry> do u drive?
[10:44] <mapp> nope
[10:44] <foobarry> shame, prob a quick journey
[10:44] <mapp> else id drive back:)
[10:45] <foobarry> SOT southampton?
[10:45] <mapp> stoke on trent
[10:45] <foobarry> ah
[10:45] <mapp> wonder why the 23;06 train takes an hr longer
[10:45] <mapp> must stop somewhere
[10:45] <foobarry> my mate studied there, went to some parties in the 90s
[10:45] <mapp> ah no doesnt leave euston till 22;50
[10:46] <mapp> one things for sure i bet id get a whole carriage to myself
[10:46] <mapp> last time i got a train at like 8pm i had an entire coach to myself!!
[10:49] <Lee_> I need some help. Anybody online?
[10:49] <mapp> yes
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> !ask
[10:49] <Lee_> I'm new, so didn't know that. I'm installing Ubuntu as I type and I have accidentally enabled the assistive techs. Any way to disable it?
[10:50] <mapp> not even sure what that is O_o
[10:51] <Lee_> Screen Reader and High Contrast options are turned on. How do I disable them? I can't access the system settings as Ubuntu is being installed.
[10:51] <mapp> ah
[10:51] <mapp> id just wait then must be a way once installed
[10:52] <Lee_> Okay. This is really annoying, btw.
[10:52] <mapp> sec will google
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> Lee_: in the control panel (top right -> system settings) you can turn it off again
[10:53] <mapp> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1236545
[10:54] <Lee_> There are no system settings or control panel. I have two icons at top-right, ascessibility and network.
[10:56] <mapp> If you can manage to click on the applet in the notification area, click it, open the preferences and uncheck the checkboxes.
[10:56] <Lee_> What applet?
[10:58] <mapp> im not sure sorry ;/ maybe wait till its installed
[10:58] <Lee_> Sure. Thanks for trying. :p
[10:59] <bashrc> netbook install is progressing.  The first thing I do is go to privacy and turn off web results.  I don't want to send all my searches to Mark Shuttleworth - no matter how nice he may be
[11:01] <Lee_> Why are so many people online in this chat channel when they don't have anything to ask and neither they are helping.
[11:02] <bashrc> I set up a daemon which is more or less permanently logged in
[11:02] <mapp> a place to hang out Lee_
[11:02] <bashrc> the advantage is that you can see earlier conversations
[11:02] <mapp> easier to stay than go and come back imo
[11:02] <Lee_> We can?
[11:05] <mapp> ya
[11:12] <Lee_> Installed 92%
[11:13] <Lee_> If this is a place to hang out, why isn't anyone chatting? Is there a was to send private messages?
[11:14] <mapp> yea pm someone
[11:14] <mapp> and its the weekend
[11:14] <mapp> people have families and stuff to do
[11:16] <Lee_> Then why are they online?
[11:16] <Lee_> They're using a software or something?
[11:16] <Lee_> I'm using a website called webchat.freenode.net instead of an IRC client.
[11:17] <mapp> yea
[11:17] <mapp> using irc clients..applications
[11:26] <awilkins> Noob nilgroks concept of lurking
[11:32] <bashrc> is nilgrok in the Jargon File ?
[11:34] <mapp> whats that?
[11:34] <mapp> O_o
[11:36] <bashrc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jargon_File
[11:41] <bashrc> http://www.jargondb.org/glossary/nil
[11:50] <bashrc> example: "she nilgrokked the gonkulator"
[13:01] <bashrc> installation complete
[13:25] <bashrc> when flashing ubuntu touch how long does it take?
[13:25] <mapps> ask Knightwise he was trying it yesteday
[13:26] <mapps> not sure how far he gt
[13:26] <mapps> got
[13:30] <popey> bashrc: which device?
[13:30] <popey> what state is the device in right now and how are you flashing it
[13:30] <bashrc> ah, seems to be going now.  I hadn't unlocked the bootloader
[13:30] <bashrc> popey: nexus 4
[13:31] <bashrc> obtained specially for the purpose of running ubuntu touch
[13:33] <daftykins> D:
[13:34] <popey> nice
[13:35] <bashrc> I wanted to see what it's like and maybe try developing apps
[13:35] <popey> daftykins: http://imgur.com/gallery/DfeEkgC
[13:35] <popey> bashrc: we have #ubuntu-touch for phone chat where many of the devs hang out and #ubuntu-app-devel where app devs hang out fyi
[13:35] <bashrc> ok
[13:36] <daftykins> popey: :D
[13:38] <popey> better ☻
[13:43] <daftykins> i was rather briefly expressing my shock at the obtaining of a Nexus solely to play with Touch
[13:43] <daftykins> bashrc: was it second hand? are they going quite cheap now?
[13:46] <bashrc> daftykins: yes second hand.  It had German language Android 4.2 on it
[13:47] <daftykins> ah-har
[13:47] <bashrc> do the channels exist simultaneously or do you have to flash seperate ones?
[13:48] <popey> you choose which channel and stay on it
[13:48] <popey> I recommend the devel (trusty) channel
[13:48] <bashrc> ok
[13:49] <popey> I have 3 devices here, one always devel, one always devel-proposed and one I flash daily to muck about with
[13:49] <bashrc> devel-proposed is the latest git/bzr?
[13:50] <popey> devel-proposed is latest, but will break now and then
[13:51] <bashrc> ok
[13:51] <popey> its a bit broken today because we just landed qt5.2
[13:51] <popey> will be fixed next week
[13:51] <popey> we generate an image every day, often twice or more a day
[13:51] <bashrc> release early and often :)
[13:51] <popey> the QA dashboard shows how well or badly they test http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/trusty/touch/
[13:51] <popey> indeed
[13:53] <popey> i should record my intro video for my google helpouts
[13:53] <popey> need to watch a few more to get inspiration
[13:54] <daftykins> #ubuntu does seem to be getting more potential users wandering in
[13:55] <daftykins> for the time being funneling them off to -touch is the only thing to do, be neat if they had some easily available 'dummys guide intro' though
[13:55] <daftykins> not that i've even googled to see if such a thing exists already :>
[13:56] <popey> dummies guide to what? using or installing?
[13:56] <daftykins> either
[13:57] <daftykins> although i suppose publicising flashing devices could get pretty hairy :D
[13:57] <popey> we have docs for flashing, but not using
[13:57] <popey> as that changes over time
[14:07] <bashrc> installed
[14:08] <bashrc> my first impression is that from a visual design point of view this looks nicer than android
[14:09] <daftykins> ;)
[14:09] <bashrc> multitouch works well
[14:12] <bashrc> ah the dreaded facebook
[14:13] <bashrc> one fairly critical app for me would be keepassx, or something equivalent.  Otherwise all my passwords are just long random strings
[14:22] <bashrc> heh, my guess is that Friendica doesn't recognise whatever browser ubuntu touch uses.  It's using something like greek language
[14:23] <popey> bashrc: port it ☻
[14:24] <bashrc> the friendica thing is a bug with Friendica, just because ubuntu touch is new
[14:24] <bashrc> keepassx might be worth porting
[14:25] <daftykins> popey: my feet are a pillow apparently https://www.dropbox.com/s/xee6nhp7sgif7aw/IMG_20140315_141905.jpg
[14:25] <popey> 4awww
[14:25] <popey> -
[14:25] <popey> bashrc: i can imagine others enjoying a port of keepassx
[14:25] <popey> you know we have an app showdown running?
[14:25] <popey> http://developer.ubuntu.com/2014/02/announcing-the-latest-ubuntu-app-showdown-contest/
[14:26] <bashrc> another think I notice on friendica is that the browser keeps complaining about my untrusted certificate.  Is there any way to turn ssl warnings off?
[14:26] <popey> not that I'm aware of yet
[14:26] <popey> the browser is going to change soon as we switch to oxide i think
[14:26] <bashrc> what browser is it using currently?
[14:31] <popey> our own one based on webkit
[14:32] <popey> http://launchpad.net/webbrowser-app
[15:10] <bashrc> so.  Is there a terminal app for ubuntu touch yet?
[15:13] <bashrc> or can I ssh into the phone?
[15:34] <popey> bashrc: both
[15:35] <popey> bashrc: http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2014-03-15-153524.png
[15:35] <popey> (tablet on side)
[15:56] <ali1234> popey: does webbrowser-app have ad blocking?
[15:57] <ali1234> yesterday i had to install adblock plus on my tablet because nearly all webpages are serving android malware through ads these days
[15:57] <ali1234> had a quick go with firefox but it is so buggy as to be unusable
[15:57] <brobostigon> ok, i got my measuring alittle wrong, my new pebble watchstrap is a few mm off on the smaller side, will it still work and no do any damage?
[15:57] <ali1234> plus it doesn't support intents properly
[16:27] <popey> ali1234: not at the moment, no
[18:51] <DJones> I bet czajkowski was just about to string the video ref up if he'd allowed that try
[18:52] <daftykins> ali1234: adblock edge > adblock plus
[18:59] <daftykins> http://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-71f844678379ca13e8a9c6556bac78b4?convert_to_webp=true
[18:59] <daftykins> hehehe
[19:06] <popey> hah
[19:28] <foobarry> http://theverybesttop10.com/2014/03/15/cardboard-cat-art/#Caturday
[19:29] <foobarry> worth getting a cat for this alone
[19:29] <mapps> just started watching arrow
[19:29] <mapps> ;[
[19:29] <mapps> ;] even
[20:39] <ali1234> directhex: how much does datacentre electricity cost compared to residential?
[20:39] <ali1234> (or anyone else with experience)
[20:39] <ali1234> shauno maybe?
[20:41] <penguin42> ali1234: Hmm from which point
[20:41] <penguin42> ali1234: The cost to someone buying a server or the cost to the datacentre owner?
[20:41] <ali1234> the cost to the datacentre owner
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: considering moving to an airconditioned data floor? ;)
[20:42] <ali1234> or the rate someone would get if they owned more than half the machines in the datacentre
[20:42] <penguin42> ali1234: I'm not sure but you might be able to find those rates - I guess some industrial tarriff
[20:43] <ali1234> it's gonna be cheaper though, right?
[20:44] <penguin42> ali1234: I assume so, but I think they're under odd contracts - like you contract to buy so many MW in advance
[20:44] <ali1234> https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/international-industrial-energy-prices
[20:44] <shauno> it tends to run cheaper just because it's predictable.  providers hate spikey customers.  but I don't know numbers
[20:45] <ali1234> i don't need exact figures, just ballpark :)
[20:46] <ali1234> those spreadsheets appear to be horribly broken
[20:46] <penguin42> interesting - you should be putting your data centre in Belgium
[20:46] <penguin42> ali1234: Works here
[20:46] <ali1234> must be gnumeric then
[20:46] <penguin42> ali1234: LibreOffice was OK with it
[20:47] <penguin42> ali1234: I went for the quarterly industrial small/medium/large one
[20:47] <ali1234> same
[20:48] <penguin42> ali1234: Don't forget the data centre has a lot of per/kW provision extra costs - cooling adds about 1/3rd in energy usage, UPS adds some, generator provision etc
[20:49] <directhex> ali1234, it's hard to calulate exact numbers, as it's hard to separate out the cost of electiricty, the cost of cooling, the cost of general estates charges
[20:51] <ali1234> it has to be more efficient though, or nobody would do it :)
[20:52] <shauno> cooling's awesome.  every watt you stick into a computer, you spend another watt moving the heat
[20:52] <directhex> ali1234, the efficiency comes from the cooling
[20:53] <directhex> shauno, we had about 2:1 on compute:cooling power consumption
[20:53] <directhex> with air
[20:54] <penguin42> shauno: The aircon systems aren't that efficient, even before you start having to add resilience against one failing
[20:55] <penguin42> shauno: Of course american air con systems, for every watt you stick into your computer, you get some number of BTU out, and then need so many tonne of cooling - madness
[20:59] <shauno> I'm not sure we take enough credit for that ;)
[20:59] <MartijnVdS> British Thermal Units?
[20:59]  * zenpho dances around the room to skin tight by the ohio players ;o)
[20:59] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Nod, we never use them
[21:01] <shauno> btu are actually pretty logical, once you assume the rest of the 'standard' system
[21:01] <MartijnVdS> so are Watts
[21:04] <ali1234> well wikipedia says that BTU is a measurement of energy
[21:04] <ali1234> but watt is a measurement of power
[21:04] <penguin42> ali1234: Right, but I think you actually measure your computers in kWh not kW
[21:05] <ali1234> nah, i measure mine in kW
[21:05] <shauno> btu is closest to kcal in metric.  1 pound of water by 1 degree F, vs 1 kilo of water by 1 degree C
[21:06] <daftykins> foreignheit :(
[21:07] <shauno> but we never see thermal calories used, just cocacola calories, so it sounds guanocrazy
[21:08] <shauno> (which is btu will drive penguin42 crazy.  they're not just using weird units.  they're measuring different things)
[21:08] <ali1234> 1 kcal = slightly less than 4 BTU
[21:08] <ali1234> 1 kilojoule = slightly more than 1 BTU
[21:10] <shauno> reminds me, I managed to prove a customer wrong by invoking the laws of physics :)
[21:10] <penguin42> shauno: Right so watt is energy/time like kWh is
[21:10] <ali1234> yes
[21:11] <ali1234> kWh per hour is a measurement of power - also known as watts :)
[21:11] <ali1234> kilowatts sorry :)
[21:11] <shauno> (they were adamant we were blocking them at our network, because their packet trace showed our IP on the ack/rst packet.  I pointed out the same capture showed they were getting the RST returned in <1ms.  they're in singapore, we're in paris.  unpossible!)
[21:15] <zenpho> triangu-location via timestamps - love it!
[21:16]  * zenpho_ is away
[21:18] <shauno> just nice to spot the tiny details :)  <1ms is almost guaranteed to be their network.  but with this one being in singapore, the speed of light says it isn't us
[23:38] <mapps> cant wait for may 5th..24s back:D
[23:40] <ali1234> you know it's going to suck
[23:40] <ali1234> shows always do when they get brought back
[23:41] <directhex> 24 is still just neocon porn, right? HERO WHITE MAN TORTURES RAGHEADS UNTIL THEY TELL HIM HOW TO DEFUSE THE BOMB
[23:43] <directhex> in lighter news, i have my first successful install/boot of Ye Olde rebuilt against valve's iso images rather than an ancient zip installer
[23:44] <daftykins> \o/
[23:44] <daftykins> directhex: just let us know when there's a torrent to seed :>
[23:44] <directhex> daftykins, ta :)
[23:45] <directhex> i have a radeon 4000 in the mail. i intend to fix that limitation & allow non-fglrx
[23:45] <daftykins> \o/
[23:45] <daftykins> ooh, a legacy beast eh
[23:45] <daftykins> two birds with one stone?
[23:49] <directhex> ok. so i'm at the very least back where i started
[23:49] <directhex> i had to revert one updated package for now, as it breaks the install
[23:50] <directhex> bed for now. next week i'm off, looking after the wife. should have time to verify that mdraid works, also dmraid and lvm
[23:50] <directhex> and install from usb as well as dvd
[23:51] <mapps> lol directhex
[23:51] <mapps> and ali1234 maybe but im hoping itll be good and not a complete let down
[23:51] <directhex> basically, testing up the wazoo. i think there's a dmraid bug in debian
[23:57] <directhex> i can work around it in post_install though. but testtesttesttest
[23:57] <directhex> wish i had a testing pc for this :/
[23:58] <daftykins> hmm my samsung smart TV is running a web server but all it displays is a 404 :>
[23:59] <daftykins> directhex: missus ok?
[23:59] <directhex> daftykins, scheduled surgery next week
[23:59] <directhex> daftykins, DLNA runs on http
[23:59] <daftykins> ah-har
[23:59] <daftykins> oh right, hrmm


[18:54] <astraljava> Ahh... the meeting is tomorrow evening, right?
[18:55] <madnick> Yes, at 19:00
[18:55] <madnick> UTC :)
[18:55] <Unit193> /topic?
[18:56] <Unit193> Hmmm... May want to add time? Or is that just me?
[18:56] <madnick> Would be good :)
[18:57] <micahg> mr_pouit: any opinion on s/ristretto/gthumb/?
[18:58] <Unit193> ^^ Can't even change topic??
[18:59] <astraljava> Unit193: No, the channel has +t
[18:59] <Unit193> astraljava: I was point above
[18:59] <astraljava> Only the Ones with the Power can do that.
[18:59]  * Unit193 checked the power list
[19:00] <astraljava> Ahh... gotcha.
[20:44]  * Unit193 pats knome on the head :D
[20:44] <knome> ta
[20:44] <knome> btw, lots of updates/improvements in our test site: http://xubuntu.princessleia.com/
[20:46] <Unit193> Thanks for linking me [Lag: 20.99] :(e
[20:46] <knome> pleia2, the next thing is to get a few screenshots with same aspect ratio up, so the frontpage isn't as chaotic as it is now