[21:49] <MageofHope> Anyone alive in here?
[21:57] <cnd> MageofHope: yes?
[21:58] <MageofHope> I wanted to ask if anyone's gotten touchegg to work in Ubuntu 12.04, and also if 12.04's Unity multitouch features are broken by default for some reason, since they dont seem to work for me
[21:58] <MageofHope> ive been looking around but information on multitouch as of now seems pretty vague for synaptic touchpads
[22:09] <cnd> MageofHope: first, we need to check if you have a fully multitouch device
[22:09] <cnd> MageofHope: please pastebin the output of "xinput list --long"
[22:39] <MageofHope> http://pastebin.com/nCZXq2jz here you go, cnd
[22:39] <MageofHope> I should mention, on Windows I have support for up to three finger mouse gestures
[22:39] <MageofHope> including three finger tap and pinch
[22:43] <cnd> MageofHope: ok, your trackpad only reports two touch locations, and then it says how many total touches are on the device, either 3 or 5
[22:43] <MageofHope> I see. So how do I enable the other touches? If I'm understanding you correctly, I mean
[22:44] <cnd> so the problem is that the hardware is kinda dumb
[22:44] <cnd> there's no way for it to report more than two touch locations
[22:44] <cnd> now, there are ways of extrapolating information
[22:44] <cnd> for example, if you know that both touches are moving downward, and that there are a total of three touches
[22:44] <cnd> then you can guess that all three are moving downward
[22:45] <cnd> but we don't have any such extrapolation in our gesture framework
[22:45] <MageofHope> I see
[22:45] <MageofHope> So in short, there's no real way to get those multi touch features with my touchpad?
[22:46] <cnd> not without adding functionality to utouch :)
[22:46] <MageofHope> :(
[22:46] <cnd> I have a similar trackpad
[22:46] <MageofHope> So even if I got touchegg working on my laptop, the gestures wouldnt work?
[22:46] <cnd> so I feel your pain
[22:46] <cnd> not the unity gestures, nor any gestures > 2 touches
[22:46] <cnd> and even with 2 touches, you would first have to disable two-touch scrolling and tap to click
[22:47] <MageofHope> dang
[22:47] <cnd> because the X server and synaptics input module gets in the way
[22:47] <MageofHope> I see :( okay
[22:47] <MageofHope> So how's the future looking for this? Is it reasonable to hope that these issues are fixed in the near future, maybe via utouch's ppa?
[22:48] <cnd> sorry I don't have better info...
[22:48] <MageofHope> The main reason i ask is this...hang on let me
[22:48] <MageofHope> get the link
[22:48] <cnd> MageofHope: I don't think anyone at Canonical is working on it
[22:48] <cnd> we have a bug open for it
[22:48] <MageofHope> http://www.synaptics.com/solutions/technology/touchpad-linux
[22:48] <cnd> and we'd gladly accept contributions :)
[22:48] <MageofHope> This seems to imply synaptic is actively working on it but??? theres nothing concrete :(
[22:49] <cnd> that's for the >2 touch issue
[22:49] <cnd> the X issue isn't a rather intractable problem that will likely only be solved when we move to wayland
[22:49] <cnd> MageofHope: so synaptics has a binary linux module
[22:49] <MageofHope> I see
[22:49] <cnd> they don't provide any help with open source stuff though...
[22:50] <cnd> we've had to reverse engineer support
[22:50] <MageofHope> Yeah but is it possible to install the proprietary synaptics module? I dont think it works the same way as it does from graphic drivers, or this kind of thing would already be implemented into hardware drivers
[22:50] <MageofHope> but i thought it'd be fair to ask
[22:52] <MageofHope> Alternate question; What is Wayland and when is Ubuntu going to move to it?
[22:53] <MageofHope> sorry to drown you in questions like this, I'm just
[22:53] <MageofHope> confused and trying to understand the full scene for the near future with this
[23:19] <cnd> MageofHope: tbh, I have no idea how the proprietary drivers work
[23:19] <cnd> np about the questions :)
[23:20] <cnd> sorry about the high latency :)
[23:20] <cnd> Wayland is supposed to be a modern replacement for X
[23:20] <MageofHope> its okay. I see.


[00:00] <alteregoa> yeah
[00:00] <billybigrigger> what do i need to make the partition as?
[00:00] <billybigrigger> ext{2,3,4}?
[00:00] <billybigrigger> bootable?
[00:00] <alteregoa> ext4
[00:02] <billybigrigger> odd
[00:02] <billybigrigger> those liveusb install instructions had me copy the contents of the .iso to a fat32 drive and install syslinux onto it
[00:05] <billybigrigger> let's try this out
[00:05] <billybigrigger> brb
[00:07] <dergringo> I'm looking for some kind of automount/autoumount for smb shares. Means I'd like to mount a smb share whenever it's available and umount it automatically when I disconnect the network. Any hint?
[00:10] <billybigrigger> unetbootin doesn't overwrite mbr on the flash disk eh?
[00:13] <BUGabundo> no idea
[00:13] <BUGabundo> you tell us
[00:14] <billybigrigger> no i don't think so
[00:14] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo: how do i totally zero a disk?
[00:14] <billybigrigger> clear mbr and everything on it?
[00:14] <BUGabundo> dd
[00:14] <billybigrigger> i can do that with dd i think but i don't know how
[00:14] <billybigrigger> ahh i was right :P
[00:15] <BUGabundo> man dd
[00:15] <arand> dd if=/dev/null of=/fried/chicken
[00:15] <billybigrigger> :-O tinycore doesn't come with dd
[00:15] <billybigrigger> ffs
[00:15] <arand> billybigrigger: Zomg!
[00:15] <billybigrigger> isn't that part of coretutils or something
[00:15] <BUGabundo> zero
[00:16] <BUGabundo> not null
[00:17] <green_bowl> Pulseaudio stopped working after a "partial upgrade"
[00:17] <green_bowl> And I am severely pissed off
[00:17] <arand> BUGabundo: Ah, true that.
[00:17] <green_bowl> >.<
[00:18] <green_bowl> Can anyone help?
[00:18] <BUGabundo> green_bowl: how told you do do Partial??
[00:18] <BUGabundo> darn it!!!
[00:18] <green_bowl> The Update Manager
[00:18] <BUGabundo> use aptitute safe-upgrade
[00:18]  * arand wonders if the given command dd if=/dev/null is the way to reclaim bits-in-the-bucket?
[00:18] <BUGabundo> it should help fix
[00:19] <billybigrigger> green_bowl: never do partial upgrades
[00:19] <BUGabundo> green_bowl: UM doesn't tell you too. it just offers an options
[00:19] <BUGabundo> well
[00:19] <green_bowl> billybigrigger: I won't from now on.
[00:19] <BUGabundo> some times you got tooo
[00:19] <billybigrigger> iirc there is a pretty hefty warning in UM for doing partial upgrades is there not?
[00:20] <BUGabundo> but today is a bad day
[00:20] <Hirato_> I probably should just stay quiet, but when did pulseaudio start working? :P
[00:20] <BUGabundo> it will remove lost of stuff
[00:20] <green_bowl> *stop?
[00:20] <green_bowl> Stopped working after I partially upgraded
[00:20] <BUGabundo> Hirato varies for ppl
[00:20] <green_bowl> I'm doing aptitude safe-upgrade right now, hopefully that will fix it
[00:20] <arand> BUGabundo: remember the bug you filed before, it *does* tell you to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/373006
[00:20] <green_bowl> If not, I will just resort back to esound
[00:20] <BUGabundo> arand: that's ONE YEAR old
[00:21] <green_bowl> Also what happened to 9.04's sound control with the different channels and so-forth?
[00:21] <Hirato_> it brings me back to a much earlier complaint, why is KDE dependant on libpulse0?
[00:21] <green_bowl> This sound controller just sucks.
[00:21] <BUGabundo> green_bowl: please don't
[00:21] <carl__> any tips for  wireless i keep    losing my connection  using wicd now
[00:21] <BUGabundo> green_bowl: use pavucontrol
[00:21] <green_bowl> I will if safe-upgrade doesn't work
[00:21] <Hirato_> the only application I've found that actually depends on any of the libpulse stuff was mplayer
[00:23] <green_bowl> Hurray!
[00:23] <green_bowl> safe-upgrade fixed it
[00:23] <carl__> hey green fix my wireless problem
[00:23] <BUGabundo> see?
[00:23] <BUGabundo> what do I always say?
[00:23] <BUGabundo> aptitude rulz
[00:23] <green_bowl> @carl__: What's wrong?
[00:23] <BUGabundo> carl__: what kernel?
[00:23] <BUGabundo> what card?
[00:23] <green_bowl> Actually... nvm
[00:24] <green_bowl> No way I can help anyone fix Ubuntu, I'm better left to helping Windows noobs
[00:24] <BUGabundo> LOL
[00:24] <carl__> i did the kubuntu   but went   from kubuntu to svn plasma since i have a netbook
[00:25] <carl__> n  using wicd   now but i keep losing my wireless connection
[00:25] <bucky> carl__, what's your hardware?
[00:25] <BUGabundo> carl__: there's a kubuntu NR
[00:25] <carl__> msi u100  realtrek 187se
[00:26] <BUGabundo> have you looked in launchoad
[00:26] <carl__> no
[00:27] <carl__> liked kubuntu netbook  but  knetwork would not connect   saw in forums about  wicd  installed it
[00:27] <carl__> kopte would not connect with yahoo for me so went got pidgin
[00:28] <carl__> kopete
[00:30] <Hirato_> me next: KDE 4.3 renders borders and panels with corruption when compositing is off on my laptop (IBM thinkpad T42) http://i29.tinypic.com/2a5m3oo.png
[00:30] <bucky> carl__, you sure you have a Realtek RTL8187 and not a RT2860 ?
[00:30] <carl__> did   the upgrades now kpackagekit says   aptbackend.py closed
[00:31] <bucky> jaunty is supposed to support RTL8187
[00:32] <carl__> it shows my network just some reason i lose my connection all the time
[00:32] <carl__> yes  that is what it says on the back
[00:32] <carl__> 8187se
[00:32] <bucky> carl__,  you need to apt-get the linux-backports-modules for your kernel
[00:33] <bucky> apt-cache search linux-backports-modules
[00:34] <carl__> did that now what bucky
[00:35] <bucky> carl__, i don't have wireless but you need to load the right drivers and set it up prolly in the menus
[00:35] <carl__> k
[00:36] <billybigrigger> how do i get dd to print stats?
[00:37] <BUGabundo> send a sig kill
[00:37] <BUGabundo> RTFM
[00:37] <BUGabundo> manpages.ubuntu.com
[00:37] <billybigrigger> just saw that at the end thanks
[00:37] <billybigrigger> of man page
[00:54] <billybigrigger> ok i installed karmic daily live to a usb disk with unetbootin, and now extlinux can't find the linux image
[00:59] <burner> is skype crashing for anyone else?  I'm just curious if it's me or something to do with the pulse upgrade in karmic that broke it
[01:00] <RagnarokAngel> skype hasn't been crashing...
[01:00] <RagnarokAngel> but it's been getting weird ASLA errors for me
[01:00] <arand> billybigrigger: reformat and install again? I've bumped into similar I think...
[01:00] <billybigrigger> arand, well according to unetbootin's page, the partition has to be fat32
[01:01] <billybigrigger> someone in here told me ext4 :P
[01:01] <burner> RagnarokAngel: like this?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/260116/  mine opens, then crashes right away
[01:01] <RagnarokAngel> I get this error from skype: RtApiAlsa: underrun detected.
[01:01] <arand> billybigrigger: I think that if you just leave it unpartitioned it will make an appropriate partition..
[01:02] <billybigrigger> arand, it needs to be mounted before it will do anything to the disk
[01:02] <billybigrigger> need to have a created partition to mount it :P
[01:02] <RagnarokAngel> burner: whoah, no nothing that bad. I'm getting serious audio issues, but not a full crash. You should probably report that somewhere...
[01:03] <arand> billybigrigger: right... I blame half a year of not using unetbootin.
[01:03] <burner> hrm... tha'ts the question... i wonder where to report it being that skype is all closed source and not in launchpad
[01:03] <billybigrigger> arand, haha
[01:03] <RagnarokAngel> burner: report an ALSA and a GTK bug?
[01:04] <burner> RagnarokAngel: are you 32-bit?
[01:04] <RagnarokAngel> burner: yep, 32-bit
[01:04] <burner> i bet it's a 64-bit specific issue
[01:04] <RagnarokAngel> burner: oh, that's possible.
[01:05] <RagnarokAngel> burner: is there any dev at all going on for skype4linux?
[01:05] <burner> none that is out in the open
[01:06] <RagnarokAngel> burner: it's really pathetic on skype's side....
[01:06] <burner> thanks for the help RagnarokAngel... by figuring out the 64-bit thing... it led me to the forums and a possible workaround :)  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7829749
[01:07] <RagnarokAngel> I'm having issues with empathy and voice/webcam calls....
[01:07] <RagnarokAngel> burner: glad I could help, in any way at all
[01:08] <burner> i haven't tried empathy's voice/webcam stuff yet... or pidgin's
[01:08] <RagnarokAngel> I can't even find a version of pidgin that's been packaged correctly for voice/video
[01:09] <RagnarokAngel> burner: it detects that I have voice and video capabilities
[01:09] <RagnarokAngel> but whenever I try and connect to someone it auto-ends whenever I try to connect
[01:09] <RagnarokAngel> I haven't tried connecting to anyone who is running empathy though...
[01:10] <burner> aww... i was going to help test
[01:11] <RagnarokAngel> hmmmm
[01:11] <burner> hi
[01:11] <RagnarokAngel> I'm getting something about mission control not running?
[01:11] <burner> wanna test empathy?  i have it
[01:11] <RagnarokAngel> burner: yeah. what's your handle?
[01:12] <burner><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:12] <burner> grr.. my alt+f2 doesn't work... oh well, i'm on empathy
[01:12] <burner> jabber is supposed to do the voice/video too right?  i have a jabber acccount as well
[01:13] <RagnarokAngel> anything xmpp should work
[01:13] <RagnarokAngel> getting a call?
[01:13] <burner> nope
[01:13] <RagnarokAngel> well
[01:13] <RagnarokAngel> lol
[01:13] <RagnarokAngel> that's actually better than everything I've tried so far XD
[01:14] <burner> cause it didn't crash? :)
[01:14] <RagnarokAngel> no because it didn't automatically close the call as soon as I tried....
[01:14] <RagnarokAngel> what's your jabber handle, see if that works any better
[01:14] <burner> now if it would only let me know you called
[01:14] <burner><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:15] <RagnarokAngel> allegedly it's calling
[01:15] <RagnarokAngel> hmm
[01:15] <burner> nothing here
[01:15] <RagnarokAngel> terminal is giving me an empathy-warning though
[01:15] <RagnarokAngel> I'll pastebin everything since empathy started....
[01:16] <burner> i could call you... handle?
[01:16] <RagnarokAngel><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:16]  * arand likes how they removed one useful thing from the notification area, only to add four useless things >.<
[01:17] <RagnarokAngel> anything?
[01:17] <burner> nada
[01:17] <RagnarokAngel> so here's the pastebin of the excursion according to empathy http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m4e39b53b
[01:18] <burner> i was getting all that MC stuff, but none of hte warnings
[01:18] <RagnarokAngel> excellent, so the audio issues must be specific to my system...
[01:18] <RagnarokAngel> because both of those warnings were when I tried placing calls....
[01:18] <RagnarokAngel> however my brother on gtalk tried calling me
[01:18] <RagnarokAngel> and I at least *get* the call
[01:18] <RagnarokAngel> but it drops instantly
[01:19] <burner> progress :)
[01:19] <RagnarokAngel> lol
[01:19] <DanaG> grr, pulseaudio still doesn't offer surround sound on my usb sound card.
[01:19] <burner> grr... pulseaudios notification area icon means i can't maximize fitt's law and move to the bottom right corner for audio anymore :\
[01:20] <DanaG> That's not Pulseaudio specifically... that's the Ubuntu devs deciding to disable the old mixer applet.
[01:20] <burner> yeah... just had to use your comment as a segue to bitch
[01:20] <RagnarokAngel> lol
[01:22] <arand> On the subject of audio-woes. Seems like new sound thingamabob only picks up my built-in mic, not externally connected ones, which worked in jaunty...
[01:22] <RagnarokAngel> my bluetooth headset pairs just fine and doesn't interface with pulseaudio
[01:22] <burner> i'm rockin a usb connected headset currently in karmic
[01:22] <burner> my bluetooth has never worked
[01:23] <RagnarokAngel> burner: there's a bug report that has been solved back in 7.10 that specifically states *my* headset worked with ubuntu
[01:23] <RagnarokAngel> hooooray regression!
[01:23] <burner> i doubt it actually worked... pulse + bluetooth has been sketchy with 5+ headsets I tried
[01:23] <RagnarokAngel> bug got solved at least...
[01:23] <RagnarokAngel> so
[01:24] <burner> fair enough
[01:24] <RagnarokAngel> pulse isn't even seeing my headset... but it's paired just fine according to blueman
[01:24] <RagnarokAngel> and yes, I have blueman's pulseaudio plugin turned on
[01:28] <DanaG> weird... my version of blueman no longer even shows a "plugins" menu anywhere.
[01:29] <RagnarokAngel> DanaG: not in the about menu?
[01:29] <RagnarokAngel> DanaG: which is the weirdest place *ever* to put plugins....
[01:29] <DanaG> no wonder I couldn't find it.
[01:29] <RagnarokAngel> lol
[01:29] <RagnarokAngel> you're welcome
[01:29] <RagnarokAngel> I found it accidently
[01:30] <DanaG> wow, that's a HORRIBLE place for such a menu.
[01:30] <RagnarokAngel> lol, I know! And for some reason the pulse plugin was turned OFF by default
[01:30] <RagnarokAngel> so I thought
[01:30] <RagnarokAngel> hey, if I turn this on it should magic fix!
[01:30] <RagnarokAngel> nope.
[01:31] <RagnarokAngel> epic fail blueman.
[01:31] <DanaG> hmm, check pavucontrol... I think bluetooth devices default to profile "disabled", for some reason.
[01:33] <arand> Oh, apparently the setting ti enable my external mic was hidden away from the current sound applet, alsamixer shows them a-okay though, meh
[01:34] <DanaG> ugh, and pulseaudio can't control the volume of my usb soundcard.
[01:34] <RagnarokAngel> what's that DanaG? I don't even get another device to show up when I pair my headest... or at least not the last time which was what, a few days ago...
[01:37] <DanaG> hmm, and you've manually selected "connect to a2dp service"?
[01:39] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xsplash/+bug/412598
[01:39] <DanaG> grr!
[01:40] <RagnarokAngel> DanaG: um.... No, It's set up as a headset profile (whatever that means) -- how could I manually set it up as a2dp?
[01:42] <DanaG> hmm, right-click on the device in blueman-manager, and see what pops up.
[01:44] <DanaG> oh, and what's with the ugly jiggling line on xsplash?
[01:45] <arand> Hmm, add/rem apps was added to admin menu...
[01:47] <hggdh> hum. Where in bloody hell is my FUSA?
[01:48] <RagnarokAngel> DanaG: when I get it paired my options in blueman are connect to input, connect to headset....
[01:48] <DanaG> ah, must not be a BT stereo capable thingy.
[01:51] <DanaG> I've added comments to that bug report.
[01:51] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xsplash/+bug/412598
[01:55] <DanaG> oh yeah, sorry for sudden topic change.  =þ
[01:56] <burner> won't fix xsplash... that's unfortunate
[01:58] <DanaG> Hardcoding paths == bad.
[01:58] <DanaG> They should at least make it an 'alternative', or something.
[01:58] <DanaG> Current behavior: usplash -> xsplash (brown) -> gdm (blue) -> xsplash (brown) -> gdm (blue) -> user-desktop.
[01:58] <DanaG> Better behavior:   usplash -> xsplash (brown) -> gdm (blue) -> xsplash (blue) -> user-desktop.
[01:58] <burner> i like the mockups on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot/Demo
[01:58] <DanaG> (I'm using blue as an example.)
[02:08] <melik> ubuntu 9.10 should include the firewall, services, bootloader GUI configuration tools, the ones that come with Fedora
[02:08] <melik> those are great tools :D
[02:27] <aj_444_> I am having trouble shutting down my ubuntu machine. the ubuntu line will go the opposite way it does during start up, but then I get stuck at a white blinking line in the upper lefthand corner.
[02:31] <aj_444> is anybody in here?
[02:33] <aj_444> I'll take that as a no.
[02:36] <x1250> aj_444, that is so vague.... :(
[02:56]  * [Ramy] is busy with another bugs harvesting mission :)
[03:06] <nocturna> Hey everyone..i'm having an issue with grub2. It boots automatically into my ubuntu install..and never displays a menu, so I cannot choose any other OS to boot into. Can anyone tell me how to fix this? I've checked the grub.cfg and all the other OS's are there..
[03:09] <aboSamoor> did anyone notice the new xsplash ? the animation is really poor :(, but no resizing for the background is really cool
[03:09] <robert__> my computer won't restart is this a common problem for alpha release?
[03:11] <robert__> this channel is dead
[03:41] <hggdh> nocturna, you need to change /boot/grub/grub.cfg, and then run update-grub2
[03:45] <x1250> nocturna, did you press ESC (to show the menu)?
[03:57] <nocturna> x1250: It never says to press ESC or anything, it basically just boots ubuntu right off. I don't think I'd have enough time, but I can try the next time I reboot
[04:00] <hggdh> on the other hand, it is interesting how many people here expect an immediate response (looking at the backlog)
[04:01] <nocturna> I don't expect an immediate response :p
[04:02] <hggdh> nocturna, it was not directed at you :-)
[04:02] <x1250> well, people that expect inmediate responses, usually get none hehe.
[04:02] <greenbowl> Okay so my sound is really messed up.
[04:03] <greenbowl> I don't get any sound at all outside of Firefox (Swiftfox)
[04:03] <greenbowl> No boot sound, game sounds, rhythmbox - nothing
[04:03] <greenbowl> And the volume controls don't work either
[04:03] <greenbowl> I can move them up and down but they do nothing
[04:04] <greenbowl> Wait... now NO sound is working after a reboot
[04:04] <greenbowl> :/
[04:05] <oldude67> greenbowl, what does alsamixer say? is anything muted?
[04:06] <greenbowl> No
[04:07] <greenbowl> I just moved a slider on alsamixer and I heard a pop in my headphones
[04:07] <greenbowl> But that was all that happened... still no sound at all
[04:08] <x1250> greenbowl, just to mention it, plan B is to purge pulseaudio till they fix it. You'll probably be fine with alsa.
[04:08] <greenbowl> Ok
[04:09] <greenbowl> So I just purged pulseaudio
[04:09] <greenbowl> I'll reboot and come back if 9.10 is still being an arse.
[04:10] <greenbowl> Which, sadly, will probably be the case... that's what I get for wanting to be on the edge of technology I suppose :P
[04:10] <nocturna> Rebooting, I'm going to see if hitting escape lets me choose an OS. Brb and ty for the help.
[04:13] <greenbowl> Sound works
[04:13] <greenbowl> Any way I can get the sound control back on my task bar without using Pulse Audio?
[04:13] <greenbowl> Like... is there a PA alternative?
[04:14] <x1250> greenbowl, I did a menu element with the command: alsamixer -c 0
[04:14] <x1250> and if you need to adjust the mic, press tab.
[04:15] <nippz> hey been initializing/testing a 1.5tb drive so i can smak +1 in it, and ive written to the whole drive 4 times and done 3 full/long formats.
[04:16] <nippz> so now i'm scanning for errors with smartctl, would like second opinion: http://paste.ubuntu.com/260141/
[04:19] <x1250> nippz, looks normal to me. but this is not an expert opinion, just looks similar to what I get with my new HDD. Anyway, those pre-fail and old-age, which I also get, are odd. Third opinion someone?
[04:19] <nippz> x1250 ty; agreed seems odd; ::peers around::
[04:20] <nippz> x1250 figured i'd give the new stuff the best stuff i got - clocking a<EMAIL_ADDRESS>once installed :>
[04:24] <greenbowl> Does anyone know of a program I can use to control my volume?
[04:24] <greenbowl> Sort of like pulse audio, but less fail-prone
[04:25] <RagnarokAngel> alsa has stuff...
[04:25] <RagnarokAngel> if you jus twant mainline....
[04:25] <x1250> greenbowl, something like a volume applet?
[04:26] <greenbowl> I reckon
[04:26] <greenbowl> Something I can put on a panel
[04:26] <greenbowl> and can recognize the volume buttons on my comp
[04:26] <nippz> sounds like a keyboard button mapping issue really.
[04:30] <x1250> greenbowl, I don't know, I just use alsamixer from the gnome menu. Maybe there is something out there, if you find something let me know :p
[04:31] <greenbowl> Okey smoke
[04:42] <Amaranth> greenbowl: Have you reported a bug about your pulseaudio issues?
[04:42] <Amaranth> greenbowl: Otherwise you'll have to get an old copy of gnome-applets
[04:48] <DanaG> !info gamix
[04:48] <DanaG> not a hotkey thingy, though.
[04:49] <DanaG> "pre-fail" is the TYPE of parameter, not the STATE.
[04:49] <DanaG> pre-fail means that, if this variable goes bad, it's a sign of upcoming failure.
[04:50] <x1250> mmm, good! thanks
[05:11] <billybigrigger> i think i'm done buying seagate drives
[05:12] <billybigrigger> just had my bios tell me my root disk is bad
[05:12] <crdlb> and? :)
[05:13] <darthanubis> any kubuntu users here?
[05:14] <Refried_> Heya.. I have a weird issue.  I have a wireless usb keyboard/mouse combo that work fine at the terminal, and to switch terminals, and to switch in and out of X, but are pretty flaky inside of X
[05:14] <Refried_> the mouse even works fine at the terminal with gpm
[05:14] <billybigrigger> crdlb: i have 3 seagate drives and they're all less than a year old
[05:14] <billybigrigger> one i've had to rma already
[05:14] <billybigrigger> now this one
[05:15] <Refried_> the mouse right now is completely useless under X  (although if i plug in an additional wired usb mouse, that works fine)
[05:15] <RagnarokAngel> is it a good idea to update java?
[05:15] <Refried_> any suggestions as to how to begin diagnosing?
[05:16] <crdlb> billybigrigger: well, two failures is unlucky, but they do fail
[05:25] <Refried_> three failures indicates a curse
[05:29] <DanaG> heyas, I got the -7 kernel to boot.
[05:30] <DanaG> The issue was one I'd run into before:
[05:30] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/392039
[05:34] <darthanubis> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3106052.0
[05:38] <billybigrigger> anyone here have any suggestions on getting my grub restored...
[05:38] <billybigrigger> i don't have a cdrw, just a usb stick
[05:38] <billybigrigger> and im stuck in tinycore linux
[05:39] <billybigrigger> i can't seem to get karmic daily live iso copied to usb drive correctly, or super grub disk...
[05:39] <billybigrigger> since tinycore doesn't have grub to setup SGD properly
[05:39] <billybigrigger> ...i'm running out of ideas
[05:49] <NoCode> http://pastebin.ca/1544297 So, I updated and upgraded with apt=get in the terminal, it said it kept packages back. So I went back into synaptic and marked all upgrades. It removed 3 packages and installed 40mb worth of other packages. Then I got that.
[05:49] <NoCode> Any ideas
[05:51] <Severian> Is GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET what I need to change to have menu of choice no longer hidden?  I don't find any documentation for this.
[05:51] <DanaG> hmm, check /etc/default/grub?
[05:52] <NoCode> why the hell would ctrl+c be linked to "closing" the "changes applied" window? Now I can't copy an error message. :|
[05:52] <Severian> DanaG, that is where the variable appeared.  But, it is not documented there.  Is it supposed to be?
[05:52] <DanaG> Beats me.
[05:54] <Severian> OK, maybe someone here will know.  I'd like to be able to boot my system after tomorrows update.  I have to go back to the 2.6.31-6 kernel or it won't boot.  And, yes I am searching the bug list to see if this is reported somewhere about the new kernel not booting.
[05:55] <DanaG> hmm, what's the actual behavior you see?  especially try booting without "quiet splash".
[05:57] <Severian> I alread changed the quiet to verbose.  The boot consistently hangs at the same spot.  The last message is about not being able to load /lib/modules/2.6.31-7-generic/kernel/drivers/crypto/padlock-sha.ko
[05:58] <Severian> The failure to boot started yesterday, but I did not have time to look into it until today.
[06:16] <Severian> Does anyone know what change to make to just /boot/grub/grub.cft to unhide the menu?  The procedure about /etc/default/grub won't work, because I can't boot Ubuntu at the moment.  So, I have to use a CD boot and edit a file and then reboot koala.
[06:17] <oldude67> is it just me or did the new update botch a few files?
[06:18] <Severian> I am having several problems, but I just assume that is normal during alpha testing.   For example gedit crashes a lot.  But, I can't repeat it reliably.
[06:20] <Severian> The new graphic during login is spiffy, though.
[06:20] <oldude67> i just had a couple of them error out on me when i first did the update and had to do a apt-get install -f to fix
[06:30] <sageNsand> I been having a problem with karmic boot. When it boots it stops at the black screen with the blinking cursor at the very top right. I then press reset and it boots OK. So it takes me 2 tries to get it booted. This just started today. Is there something I should type in at the blinking cursor to continue on?
[06:31] <sageNsand> top left
[06:31] <Severian> Type  "Stop that"
[06:31] <Severian> It won't help, though.
[06:31] <sageNsand> I wish it was that easy
[06:33] <Severian> I just submitted a bug.  It only affects the karmic alpha version of Ubuntu.  I don't see where to mark it thus.  It is bug 419709.  Can anyone advise?
[06:35] <Severian> Should I put a tag of Karmic on it?  Is that the right way?
[06:36] <sageNsand> I would post a bug but I don't have any code stuff to go along with it so I think I'll just lay low and it'll work out in the end
[06:41] <sageNsand> I had another problem with Gedit text editor. Sometimes when I go to open one on my desktop it opens for a mil second and disappears. I see the white layout but text doesn't have time to load. The workaround is to rename the file then it will open...strange
[06:50] <sageNsand> Severian  I always put Karmic as the first word just to make it stand out from all the other bugs. Its easier to filter through
[06:52] <Severian> sageNsand, The first word in what?  The subject, description, tags or something else?
[06:53] <sageNsand> The subject
[06:53] <Severian> OK, I'll go see if I can modify that.
[06:58] <sageNsand> Yours would look like  Karmic system does not complete boot process
[06:59] <Severian> sageNsand, I changed it to say Karmic does not complete boot process.  That should get the idea across.
[07:00] <sageNsand> For us testing guys that would help in finding just the Karmic bugs without having to open all of them to see what it was about
[07:02] <sageNsand> night all
[07:09] <DanaG> Might wanna' mention the kernel version that fails!
[07:11] <Severian> It is in the description.  Should it be in the summary?
[07:33] <keith> I installed kubuntu-desktop in Karmic, but I was not presented with the option to choose between kdm and gdm, nor do I seem to be able to get it to use gdm now. Is this a bug? Or is there a different way in the new GDM?
[08:09] <oldude67> is there anyone else having updates held back, i have 11 of them as it is right now and they are the same 11 i have held back now for the last week.
[08:11] <nzmm> see what happens if you change to the Main server in Software Properties
[08:12] <oldude67> well im not real concerned about it as it says there is a partial update with it and i wont do that ever again..i think ill just wait for them to let me update them.
[08:14] <nzmm> Ive had a cups package held back for a while
[08:14] <oldude67> ya that is one of mine as well plus one for kdm and several others.
[08:32] <keith> oldude67, have you tried a dist-upgrade on the command line? I think that installed all but one of the packages being held back for me.
[08:33] <oldude67> keith, no i havent , didnt think about that. let me try and see what it says.
[08:33] <keith> oldude67, I've never had any trouble trouble with partial upgrades either though.
[08:35] <oldude67> i have, so i dont do them anymore, and its letting me install most of them now. lets see what happens.
[08:35] <keith> The only issue I have had with the latest updates is they sort of broke my user login widget thing on the gnome-panel
[08:36] <keith> but it seems mostly fixed now
[08:36] <keith> So... does anyone know how to switch from kdm back to gdm? The usual method isn't working in Karmic...
[08:37] <oldude67> dpkg-reconfigure gdm should work
[08:37] <keith> oldude67, doesn't seem to
[08:38] <nzmm> hey, do people have to type in a password to eject dvd's.  Because i have to...
[08:38] <keith> oldude67, it gives no prompt, and says that the changes will take effect after all X sessions are closed. But keeps using kdm no matter what I do.
[08:38] <oldude67> nzmm, i have never had too.
[08:38] <keith> nzmm, nor I
[08:38] <nzmm> ok wierd
[08:40] <keith> oldude67, Are you using Karmic as a primary OS? or for testing?
[08:40] <oldude67> its my primary os
[08:41] <keith> oldude67, so I can see why you would want to be more cautious then. I have mostly just been testing in VirtualBox so far. You might consider installing it to test upgrades or partial upgrades in the future.
[08:41] <oldude67> i have, but with my intel stuff i cant really do that as it dont use the video in virtual box. tried it.
[08:42] <keith> oldude67, Gotcha. In my VM, it seems to be pretty stable and reliable at this point... has that been your experience as well? I am thinking of switching to it as my primary OS.
[08:43] <oldude67> the only problem i have had is when i did the partial upgrade and it hosed the system and had to reload it,but i keep all my personal stuff on a flash drive just for that reason.
[08:44] <oldude67> but i am also on a desktop with a hard line for my eth0 and dont have to worry about wifi and all of that stuff as well either.
[08:45] <keith> oldude67, was that earlier in the development? Because I don't trust any upgrades, partial or otherwise in the early releases. That's why I like keeping a separate home partition, and having nightly backups to an external drive.
[08:46] <keith> oldude67, the only thing that is making me cautious about switching right now is that I am wanting to install kde, but I don't think I really want to use kdm.
[08:46] <oldude67> yes that was like in alpha 2 and i think we are now on 5
[08:46] <keith> oldude67, I find the updates get fairly reliable around 3, and the distro gets usable as a primary os around 4 or 5.
[08:46] <oldude67> that is all i usually run as i dont care for gnome that well.
[08:47] <keith> oldude67, I always give kde a shot, but always end up back with gnome. :\
[08:47] <keith> oldude67, I really like a lot of things about it, but I think I don't give it enough of a chance when I run into something I can easily do in gnome.
[08:47] <oldude67> i would probably use xfce before i would gnome any more.
[08:48] <keith> why do you dislike gnome vs. kde?
[08:49] <oldude67> just my preference really, i got so use to using kde with slackware that when i switched to ubuntu i didnt like the gnome desktop.
[08:50] <keith> oldude67, yeah... the thing that frustrated me most recently was I couldn't find a way to browse the network in kde easily. Are you aware of a way?
[08:50] <keith> oldude67, I found references that told how, but it didn't seem to exist in Karmic when I looked for the same things.
[08:51] <oldude67> ah yeah gnome does seem to have more for the network then kde does, i will give it that...
[08:52] <keith> oldude67, there are a lot of little things that I liked about gnome more... like, when you tried playing a video that it didn't have a codec for, totem will ask if you want it to search. dragon (I think?) just didn't play the video.
[08:52] <ripps> I've got a problem where atop randomly takes up 96% of the cpu, I can barely write this message
[08:53] <ripps> gonna try to reboot
[08:54] <oldude67> ripps, what does atop do?
[08:54] <keith> performance monitor?
[08:54] <keith> http://freshmeat.net/projects/atop/
[08:55] <oldude67> ah you mean like in htop hmm i dont know i just run gkrellm
[08:58] <oldude67> keith, thanks for reminding me about the dist-upgrade i got all but 1 upgrade so thats cool
[09:01] <keith> oldude67, no problem. I used earlier today, so I was pretty sure it would work for you.
[09:02] <oldude67> i had just forgotten about it, as usually after a few days they all get upgraded, but i think alpha 5 just came out and i think i was still on 3 anyways.lol
[09:03] <randomnick> Hey guys.. i did a dist-upgrade yesterday or so and after that i wasn't able to boot any more.
[09:03] <oldude67> randomnick, what error did it give you?
[09:03] <randomnick> it says my filesystem is broken (i reinstalled.. and it worked until i dist-upgraded again - it's not a kernel issue it seems - i tried the old one as well)
[09:04] <keith> oldude67, alpha 5 comes out next thursday. :)
[09:04] <randomnick> i'm on a 9.04 live disc atm.
[09:04] <oldude67> randomnick, did you try to go into the recovery mode and fix it with the dpkg recovery option?
[09:05] <randomnick> hmm nope, i dropped to a shell and did fsck, which also said something was broken
[09:06] <oldude67> hit esc when you reboot and see if you have the recover mode and try that.
[09:06] <oldude67> may have botched and update
[09:07] <randomnick> sorry, i didn't absolutely get it.. i shall boot into recovery mode and then do what (and why)?
[09:07] <randomnick> i don't know what you mean with dpkg recovery option, sorry
[09:08] <randomnick> by the way.. i can mount the partition without problems on the live disk
[09:08] <keith> oldude67, have you had any issues mounting media when you open in for the first time from the kicker?
[09:08] <oldude67> under the menu when you hit esc there is an option to go to a recovery kernel setting then there is a menu that has an option to do with dpkg and it fixes some things.if you look you will see what im talking about.
[09:09] <randomnick> okay, will do - thanks so far :)
[09:09] <oldude67> keith, i myself have had never a problem with any media not mounting, but i know a lot of people do, most of the time someone in here can help you with it tho.
[09:10] <keith> oldude67, well... I can get the media to mount, either through the "Recently Plugged In Devices" or manually, but for some reason the kicker doesn't seem to work for me... at least in a VM.
[09:10] <keith> it opens a blank window
[09:11] <keith> I filed a bug, but I was curious about your experience in a real install.
[09:11] <oldude67> are you using the one from the repos or the one from vboxes web site?
[09:11] <keith> web site
[09:12] <oldude67> idk i have only used the one from the repos :(
[09:12] <keith> So, if you put a CD in your drive, and open it from Kicker->Computer->CD... it opens correctly?
[09:13] <oldude67> oh i dont know havent tried.
[09:13] <keith> oldude67, do you normally open from the popup?
[09:14] <oldude67> sorry i miss understood what you meant i thought you was talking about a pendrive.
[09:14] <oldude67> yeah i just open from the kdm log in.
[09:14] <keith> oldude67, Well, I have only tested with a CD. My assumption was that it would work the same with a flash drive.
[09:14] <richardcavell> anyone on Karmic having problems with XChat?
[09:14] <keith> Can't test flash drives in Vbox afaik though
[09:14] <oldude67> nope im not.
[09:15] <oldude67> i thought the one from their web site would let you use flashdrives now.
[09:16] <oldude67> well its now going on 3:30 am here so im out for the night take care laters all
[09:21] <blackest_knight1> hi karmic tried to upgrade my nvidia to version 185 but there is no nvidia.ko file and x is pretty broke
[09:22] <randomnick> hm.. that didn't work actually.. the recovery mode ends in the same situation.. the only difference is, that there's no splash screen due to menu.lst.
[09:22] <keith> randomnick, oldude67 left.
[09:23] <blackest_knight1> Any idea what I need to do to get a better x I'm using vesa640x480 to get here
[09:23] <randomnick> oh.. i see. thanks for telling me.
[09:23] <keith> randomnick, didn't want you to wait forever for a reply. Wish I could help. :)
[09:23] <randomnick> :)
[09:27] <ripps> Hmmm.... it seems I can't use superuser admin guis when mousetweaks is enabled
[09:29] <blackest_knight1> any suggestions for missing nvidia driver
[10:35] <Bauldrick> after logging in my screen fades to black - I can still run programs via Alt f2, but my desktop is not there. It's kubuntu-netbook, it's been suggested to disable kernel modesetting (?) how's that done?
[10:57] <maxb> Whoa, new pulsating ubuntu thingy whilst waiting for X to start
[10:57] <maxb> What package implements that?
[11:00] <Severian> I think it is gdm, from some earlier comments.
[11:04] <cdE|Woozy> maxb, that is xsplash
[11:10] <Michalxo> hello all. Is trackerd removed by default in karmic?
[11:15] <mac_v> hrm... what does the folder ~/.mcop refer to ? which app?
[11:17] <mac_v> has a folder "trader-cache" and file random seed
[11:35] <ripps> bizarre, I've been having alot of trouble logging in because My processor is flooded with a hundred ubuntuone-syncdaemon processes
[11:36] <arand> Beware of ubuntuone currently, it seems to send bug reports which lists all your "onned" files >_<
[11:37] <ripps> I only have like 2 files stored there
[11:38] <ripps> Now I've managed to run a loop process to kill ubuntu-syncdaemon long enough to uninstall and kill the ubuntuone-applet.
[11:38] <ripps> But notify-osd was flooded with Ubuntu One error messages.
[11:49] <nzmm> Michalxo: libtrackerclient is installed on my system but thats about all.
[11:50] <Michalxo> aha, in mine too... so they dropped it by default :)
[11:51] <Michalxo> aha, it's for totem-plugins :)
[11:52] <nzmm> Yea tracker seems to be in limbo until they make a new release, 0.6 was fairly useless
[11:53] <Michalxo> whole tracker is imo useless...
[11:57] <nzmm> Well i like the idea of tracker conceptually, its just tracker has lacked both a decent gui and full text search
[11:58] <Michalxo> i heard that beagle or so is much better
[12:01] <nzmm> Is it even actively developed?
[12:02] <Michalxo> dunno
[12:02] <js> hi
[12:02] <Michalxo> take a look for yourself I don't intend to use it... :)
[12:02] <js> since I updated my karmic yesterday, it seems luks doesn't work anymore
[12:02] <js> it just hangs
[12:02] <js> someone having the same problem?
[12:02] <arand> I guess if anything, ubuntu's tracker will be zeitgeist...
[12:05] <js> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/418685
[12:05] <js> it seems it's this issue
[12:06] <js> what would be the best way to use the old kernel + modules again
[12:06] <js> ?
[12:06] <js> apt-get remove the -7 and reinstall the -6 + modules?
[12:19] <js> when selecting 2.6.31-6 from GRUB, it complains about not finding the root fs - interesting
[12:19] <js> and the keyboard etc. don't work as well
[12:21] <gnomefreak> at least you can shut down
[12:26] <js> gnomefreak: nope, not even thast
[12:26] <js> I can only hard-reset
[12:32] <gnomefreak> js: me too
[12:32] <gnomefreak> im filing a bug atm
[12:34] <gnomefreak> js: you may want to comment and add info. you can just do ubuntu-bug 419859
[12:34] <cdE|Woozy> gnomefreak, bug #418509
[12:36] <gnomefreak> cdE|Woozy: thanks
[12:47] <js> ok, 2.6.31-5 seems to work
[13:09] <Michalxo> guys? After todays update of notification (notify-osd?) my notifications shows in middle of the screen mi-right
[13:09] <Michalxo> is it supposed to be that way? :-/
[13:10] <Michalxo> notify-osd: Installed: 0.9.18-0ubuntu1
[13:16] <richardcavell> My shutdown procedure is broken after recent updates.  Anyone else?
[13:17] <Michalxo> richardcavell, same here
[13:17] <richardcavell> Michalxo: I'm on a Macbook.  How about you?
[13:17] <Michalxo> waiting for some services to be stopped and shutdown ro something similar I think, right?
[13:17] <Michalxo> amd64 PC
[13:18] <richardcavell> It seems as though it's waiting for something to shut down
[13:18] <Michalxo> yes
[13:18] <richardcavell> But I get unpredictable console output
[13:18] <Michalxo> I think it happened twice so far.. both times I had to manually shut down the PC :(
[13:18] <Michalxo> *laptop
[13:18] <Michalxo> well.. me only 1 message in which it stays and waits :-/
[13:19] <richardcavell> Bug 419846
[13:19] <Michalxo> btw have you updated recently? I have bug with notifications
[13:19] <richardcavell> My notifications appear halfway down the screen
[13:19] <Michalxo> they show up on MIDDLE RIGHT instread of TOP R
[13:19] <Michalxo> yeah
[13:19] <richardcavell> It's not supposed to do that, is it?
[13:20] <Michalxo> yea
[13:20] <Michalxo> it has to be on top right (by deault_
[13:20] <richardcavell> it's a strange place to get notifications
[13:21] <Michalxo> yeah
[13:21] <Michalxo> what version of notify-osd do you have?
[13:22] <Michalxo> http://pastebin.com/m6e0e5521 ?
[13:23] <richardcavell> I updated to the latest one
[13:24] <richardcavell> Michalxo: are you aware of a bug report on notify-osd?
[13:24] <Michalxo> dunno where
[13:24] <Michalxo> http://www.pixhost.org/show/119/618967_asd.png
[13:25] <Michalxo> trying to find related bug, but there are tons of notification bugs :-/
[13:26] <richardcavell> yeah
[13:26] <richardcavell> I'm searching the bug reports right now
[13:29] <Michalxo> richardcavell, I think we have to make the new one...
[13:30] <richardcavell> yeah I'm looking at it
[13:30] <richardcavell> Do you want to make the report and use your screenshot?
[13:31] <Michalxo> you can make it.. I'll add myself there later ;)
[13:31] <Michalxo> richardcavell, you can use my picture if you want to ;)
[13:32] <richardcavell> okay I'll make a bug report
[13:33] <Michalxo> hey! I had/have? this bug too "Screen randomly goes off in karmic "
[13:37] <Michalxo> richardcavell, do you have problem with "HDD corrupted" notification too?
[13:37] <richardcavell> firstly the screen randomly goes off bug has been fixed
[13:38] <richardcavell> it occurs on all video hardware
[13:38] <richardcavell> and I don't get HDD corrupted messages
[13:40] <Michalxo> richardcavell, let me know when you make that notifi bug
[13:41] <richardcavell> okay I'm uploading now
[13:41] <richardcavell> Bug 419894
[13:44] <natewiebe13> so today is artwork first drop.. what exactly happens?
[13:44] <richardcavell> it should mean that there's a whole stack of new artwork for us
[13:45] <natewiebe13> as in..
[13:45] <richardcavell> what are you asking?
[13:45] <Michalxo> where can we see it?
[13:45] <natewiebe13> is there an update today.. or?
[13:45] <natewiebe13> yeah exactly
[13:45] <richardcavell> I don't think it means that it will appear right now
[13:45] <richardcavell> presumably it will come within days
[13:45] <Michalxo> btw, new login-window showed up with todays updates.. some flashy thing ;)
[13:46] <natewiebe13> an update from the repos?
[13:46] <richardcavell> natewiebe13: yeah it will come from the repos
[13:46] <Michalxo> y
[13:46] <richardcavell> we're trying it all out... that's the idea of an alpha release
[13:46] <Michalxo> richardcavell, can we see that artwork somewhere?
[13:47] <richardcavell> Michalxo: presumably you'd have to be involved with the project to see it
[13:47] <Michalxo> ah
[13:48] <natewiebe13> Michalxo: you had a different gdm?
[13:48] <Michalxo> yes
[13:48] <Michalxo> a big longer to boot up imo.. +2-5 secs
[13:48] <natewiebe13> what package did it for you?
[13:48] <natewiebe13> xsplash?
[13:49] <natewiebe13> because i have no update for 'gdm' here
[13:49] <Michalxo> it was basically same, but while loading there was some "progress-bar-like" flash going down-to-up
[13:49] <Michalxo> gdm 2.27.90
[13:50] <natewiebe13> ive had that for a long while now.. so the update must be from xsplash
[13:50] <natewiebe13> i'll give it a try
[14:09] <natewiebe13> Michalxo: very bugged
[14:09] <natewiebe13> haha
[14:10] <natewiebe13> the bar was supposed to go left and right, not up continuously..
[14:10] <Michalxo> really? :D
[14:11] <natewiebe13> but it is better than the wallpaper just flashing
[14:11] <natewiebe13> yeah.. look at the video mockup on /Boot/Demo
[14:11] <Michalxo> I don't like that wallpaper at all.. and hadn't had it falshing...
[14:11] <Michalxo> natewiebe13, can you post direct link please?
[14:11] <natewiebe13> better than what they had for a mockup
[14:12] <natewiebe13> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot/Demo?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=karmic-boot-demo.swf
[14:13] <natewiebe13> Michalxo: have you customized your gdm?
[14:13] <BluesKaj> Heyas all
[14:13] <Michalxo> natewiebe13, not at all
[14:14] <Michalxo> natewiebe13, totem gives Internal data flow error. :D
[14:14] <natewiebe13> open it with firefox
[14:14] <Michalxo> wow, yes that falsh is pretty nice
[14:15] <Michalxo> pretty nice boot :)
[14:15] <natewiebe13> Michalxo: thats probably why you didnt see the flashing before.. i have a custom background, font, and icons on my gdm..
[14:15] <cdE|Woozy> the throbber is quite jerky on my system due to heavy i/o on startup :/
[14:15] <natewiebe13> cdE|Woozy: the throbber should be going horizontally instead of vertically
[14:15] <cdE|Woozy> that too
[14:16] <natewiebe13> it was fine for me.. except the direction of the throbber
[14:16] <natewiebe13> but i also think that xsplash (the package that is responsible for this change) should get the background from the gdm, not from another source
[14:17] <cdE|Woozy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2OAgP0aX2Q <- that's how it looks on my system
[14:19] <Michalxo> same here cdE|Woozy ;)
[14:19] <natewiebe13> cdE|Woozy: thats definately a smoother transition that what i have.. since i have a custom background on gdm.. it transitions as the following
[14:20] <Michalxo> but htat notification bug anooyes me more and shutdown process is not good too :-/
[14:20] <natewiebe13> boot, xsplash, gdm, xsplash, desktop: where gdm and desktop share a different background than xsplash
[14:22] <cdE|Woozy> you could try adding "-b /path/to/custom/background.jpg" to xsplash in /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default
[14:23] <cdE|Woozy> I don't know whether it actually works yet, but xsplash --help lists that as a way so specify the background image
[14:23] <cdE|Woozy> s/so/to/
[14:33] <natewiebe13> there is also a background image in /usr/share/images/xsplash
[14:47] <natewiebe13> cdE|Woozy: heres what i get from the 'Default' file
[14:48] <natewiebe13> PATH="/usr/bin:$PATH:/bin:/usr/bin"
[14:48] <natewiebe13> if [ -x '/usr/bin/xsplash' ];
[14:48] <natewiebe13> then
[14:48] <natewiebe13>         /usr/bin/xsplash &
[14:48] <natewiebe13> fi
[14:48] <natewiebe13> where should i stick the -b
[14:48] <Hirato_> probably before the &
[14:48] <cdE|Woozy> yes
[14:49] <natewiebe13> alright i'll give it a shot and let you know..
[14:52] <natewiebe13> alright.. halfway there
[14:52] <natewiebe13> i get the custom background after login
[14:52] <natewiebe13> how about before the gdm?
[14:53] <natewiebe13> cdE|Woozy: any ideas?
[14:54] <natewiebe13> Hirato_: any ideas?
[14:54] <Hirato_> I was just stating the obvious, I really don't know :P
[14:54] <natewiebe13> where's the startup script located?
[14:55] <natewiebe13> /etc/init/rc.conf?
[14:56] <natewiebe13> nope
[14:57] <natewiebe13> if [ -x '/usr/bin/xsplash' ]; whats that refering to?
[15:01] <natewiebe13> few problem: im getting a white screen after the desktop is starting to appear, notify-osd is showing up on the right hand side in the middle of the screen, and grub is not silent anymore
[15:01] <natewiebe13> anyone else having any of the same problems?
[15:04] <Michalxo> natewiebe13, heheh this is that notification bug I mentioned few hours ago
[15:05] <BluesKaj> natewiebe13, id you did an update today run update-grub
[15:05] <BluesKaj> if
[15:05] <Michalxo> natewiebe13, richardcavell> Bug 419894
[15:06] <Michalxo> haha it's a FEATURE not a bug :)
[15:06] <natewiebe13> really?
[15:06] <natewiebe13> i say its a bug
[15:07] <natewiebe13> about the custom background.. i emailed kenvandine.. so i'll share the answer when i get it
[15:07] <natewiebe13> BluesKaj: im going to test and see if grub is silent.. thanks for the info
[15:11] <natewiebe13> BluesKaj: its still not silent
[15:12] <natewiebe13> also anyone not getting their computer to shutdown? mine comes to a prompt after the shutdown splash
[15:12] <cdE|Woozy> natewiebe13, the if-statement checks whether xsplash is installed. if it is, it is started
[15:12] <natewiebe13> okay thanks
[15:15] <richardcavell> Michalxo: Hi
[15:15] <Michalxo> richardcavell, it's a feature... not a bug :)
[15:15] <rleeds> Hey all
[15:15] <natewiebe13> Michalxo: sadly
[15:15] <richardcavell> yeah
[15:15] <richardcavell> lol
[15:16] <richardcavell> well I think the feature should be turned off
[15:16] <natewiebe13> exactly
[15:16] <natewiebe13> richardcavell: know much about xsplash?
[15:16] <Michalxo> natewiebe13, you were a bit faster then me :D
[15:17] <rleeds> Notify-OSD just started showing notifications in the middle of the screen. Looks like bug #418731 "fix". Is this configurable?
[15:17] <richardcavell> natewiebe13: only that it keeps breaking my karmic
[15:17] <natewiebe13> richardcavell: trying to change the background of xsplash.. i have it changed after gdm, but not before.. any ideas?
[15:17] <richardcavell> Michalxo: by the way that problem of karmic not shutting down appears to be almost universal with the 2.6.31-7 kernel
[15:18] <natewiebe13> so its the kernel..
[15:18] <natewiebe13> :(
[15:18] <natewiebe13> lol
[15:18] <Michalxo> i think so.. in -6 it was ok...
[15:18] <richardcavell> natewiebe13: you get gdm?  Luxury!
[15:18] <richardcavell> natewiebe13: yeah, it's the kernel
[15:18] <Michalxo> :)
[15:18] <richardcavell> I've never seen a login screen since upgrading from Jaunty
[15:18] <natewiebe13> richardcavell: xsplash would be fine.. but i have a custom gdm.. so the wallpaper changes are annoying
[15:19] <natewiebe13> richardcavell: any idea where the startup script would be that would trigger xsplash?
[15:20] <Michalxo> richardcavell, I upgraded from jaunty and it was OK here :)
[15:21] <richardcavell> natewiebe13: no
[15:21] <richardcavell> I am struggling getting things like sound and login screen to work
[15:21] <richardcavell> I might go buy Snow Leopard on the weekend and use that till Karmic release
[15:21] <natewiebe13> richardcavell: ive got no probs here.. with the gdm.. is it that you have an automatic login?
[15:22] <bjsnider> you might buy a snow leopard? that would be expensive. and it would likely eat your computer, and you too
[15:22] <richardcavell> natewiebe13: to be honest I think it's been fixed over the last couple of days
[15:22] <Michalxo> richardcavell, for help about sound go to #alsa or #pulseaudio ;)
[15:23] <richardcavell> Michalxo: been there
[15:23] <richardcavell> really helpful guys
[15:23] <Michalxo> ;(
[15:23] <richardcavell> but it's not a config thing
[15:23] <richardcavell> On Jaunty and OS X and Win 7 my sound is flawless
[15:24] <Michalxo> so some PAudio thing?
[15:25] <richardcavell> y
[15:26] <BluesKaj> richardcavell, do you have a pc soundcard or onboard ?
[15:26] <Q-FUNK> hi!  I'm curious of how one can change the GDM theme back to what we had in Jaunty?
[15:26] <BluesKaj> pci that is
[15:26] <richardcavell> onboard (laptop)
[15:26] <BluesKaj> oh , prolly an intel chip
[15:27] <richardcavell> y
[15:27] <BluesKaj> !intelhda
[15:29] <Q-FUNK> WARNING: WARNING: /usr/share/pyshared/lsb_release.py is linked but does not belong to any package.
[15:29] <Q-FUNK> am I the only one who gets this?
[15:29] <natewiebe13> Q-FUNK: i think you can only change the background, icons, and text
[15:29] <natewiebe13> i got that too
[15:29] <natewiebe13> i just ignored it
[15:29] <richardcavell> Q-FUNK: me three
[15:30] <Q-FUNK> natewiebe13: I've been trying to find out how to get our good old login. that crap we currently have in karmic reminds me too much of XDM.
[15:30] <Michalxo> natewiebe13, there used to be some notification-settings GUI for setting where you want to show notifications... but I can;t find it for karmic :-/
[15:31] <natewiebe13> im still trying to find where xsplash is called
[15:32] <natewiebe13> DanaG: around?
[15:35] <BluesKaj> Q-FUNK, yeah, that's a normal warning , I was told to ignore it yesterday , doesn't mean anything is broken ...will be fixed soon
[15:42] <Michalxo> daamn, that PA is pretty bugged :-/
[15:44] <BluesKaj> Michalxo, afraid so ...i dumped it , fortunatly my souncard driver and alsa are working fine without it.
[15:44] <Michalxo> :)
[15:45] <Michalxo> well it works, but for instance when I reach the lowest global level
[15:45] <Michalxo> and then want to make it louder it just wont let me... application volume stays at the lowest level tough, so I have to turn in up manually...
[15:45] <Michalxo> and doublelick on volume icon does not bring up the volume-controller....
[15:46] <BluesKaj> you mean master level , ok do you have alsa-utils installed?
[15:47] <natewiebe13> alright.. i found the file to get the custom background for the first xsplash
[15:48] <cdE|Woozy> Michalxo, the notification settings gui was for the old notification system, I think the position for notify-osd is pretty much hardcoded and not intended to be configurable
[15:48] <natewiebe13> the files are both named 'Default'.. one is under /etc/gdm/Init/ and the other is under /etc/gdm/PreSession/
[15:49] <natewiebe13> and the throbber is being fixed right now.. (email from ken vandine)
[15:50] <cdE|Woozy> nice :)
[15:50] <natewiebe13> yup.. now i have a smooth xsplash :)
[15:55] <natewiebe13> http://www.wiebeswheels.com/Screenshot-1.png : there is a screenshot of my xsplash
[15:57] <natewiebe13> cupsddk and cups-ppdc are conflicting.. anyone else experiencing this?
[16:11] <Innomen> hi all is it possible to upgrade from jaunty to karmic or must i reinstall completely?
[16:11] <arand> Innomen: update-manager -d
[16:11] <arand> Innomen: expect Karmic to break.
[16:11] <Innomen> arand, the machine in question cannot reach the net, that is why io wish to upgrade
[16:12] <Innomen> could i update the machine from a live cd for example?
[16:13] <natewiebe13> imo i would do a clean install
[16:13] <Cyberkilla> At the moment, many users are reporting that they cannot shutdown.
[16:13] <natewiebe13> the new kernel
[16:13] <Cyberkilla> It hangs on a black screen with a flashing cursor
[16:13] <Innomen> well obviously if i plan on doing a clean install i should attempt an upgrade first since a clean insteall is what you do when you break everything :)
[16:13] <Innomen> i upgraded the kernel already
[16:14] <x1250> natewiebe13, why? I would try to upgrade first. If it breaks badly, reinstall, if it breaks badly, jaunty again :)
[16:14] <Cyberkilla> Requiring them to hard reset or do ALT+SysRq+b.
[16:14] <Innomen> so, can one upgrade offline?
[16:14] <Cyberkilla> I think you need to do more than just b, but that's all I do.
[16:14] <natewiebe13> x1250: usually always breaks for me when i have done an upgrade
[16:14] <arand> ah, um... I guess the instructions in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JauntyUpgrades#Upgrading%20Using%20the%20Alternate%20CD/DVD for CD-upgrade applies in this case as well?
[16:15] <natewiebe13> Innomen, i would wait until sept 3rd though
[16:15] <Innomen> dude
[16:15] <Innomen> letrs assume i want what i want and i'm sure about it :)
[16:15] <natewiebe13> since you dont have internet on that one.. might as well wait until the next alpha
[16:15] <x1250> natewiebe13, yea, depends a lot on your hardware (and luck).
[16:16] <natewiebe13> true
[16:16] <Innomen> so can an upgrade be done offline?
[16:16] <Innomen> or are we not sure
[16:16] <arand> Innomen: using http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20090826.1/ along with above linked instructions should do that, if all goes well.
[16:17] <Innomen> i'll read, thank you :)
[16:17] <natewiebe13> Innomen: i would wait until the kernel is updated.. its really annoying not being able to shut down
[16:17] <Innomen> OMG
[16:17] <Innomen> natewiebe13, i get it! you've told me what YOU would do like 10 times now
[16:18] <Innomen> me not want do you do, me want do i do :)
[16:18] <natewiebe13> once what i would do, and 2 times what you should do
[16:19] <Innomen> i'm not going to paste the log at you
[16:19] <Innomen> i have a cd to downloa apprently, thank you all for your time :)
[16:43] <Cyberkilla> weird
[16:44] <Cyberkilla> Anyway, I'm looking forward to the next art drop, because today's was a nonevent, as far as I can tell.
[16:47] <Michalxo> natewiebe13, got any news about that notifications?
[16:47] <natewiebe13> if it was fixed?
[16:47] <natewiebe13> Cyberkilla: xsplash is doin stuff
[16:48] <Michalxo> yeah that notifications... pretty distracting
[16:48] <Cyberkilla> Yes, it is, but what on earth is it doing? Vertical scrolls?:O
[16:48] <Cyberkilla> And yes, my notifications are all over the place now.
[16:48] <natewiebe13> notifications are still messed
[16:49] <natewiebe13> and now xsplash isnt just flickering the old wallpaper
[16:51] <Michalxo> Cyberkilla, I haven't seen 2 notifications at same time from update :-/
[16:51] <Michalxo> Cyberkilla, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-osd/+bug/419894
[16:52] <Cyberkilla> thanks
[16:54] <natewiebe13> Michalxo: just need two people to send you a message
[16:54] <natewiebe13> Michalxo: i dont think one person can alone
[16:54] <Michalxo> natewiebe13, message?
[16:55] <natewiebe13> yeah.. with your name in front (just like i did above)
[16:55] <natewiebe13> to get two notifications to show up
[17:13] <AnAnt> Hello, is anyone using kernel 2.6.31-7 ?
[17:13] <richardcavell> AnAnt: yes
[17:13] <natewiebe13> yup
[17:13] <richardcavell> AnAnt: let's guess your complaint
[17:13] <richardcavell> shutdown not working?
[17:13] <natewiebe13> not shutting down?
[17:13] <AnAnt> yes, that's one
[17:14] <natewiebe13> nice.. i subscribed to that bug
[17:14] <richardcavell> AnAnt: then join the queue
[17:14] <natewiebe13> bug #418509
[17:14] <AnAnt> ok, I just got this reply from -kernel : 18:13 >rtg_< AnAnt, -7 is killing kittens. -8.28 is in the pipeline.
[17:16] <richardcavell> AnAnt: don't you mean 2.6.31-8 is in the pipeline?
[17:16] <richardcavell> and that's a pretty serious bug.
[17:16] <AnAnt> richardcavell: yup, I think that's what he means
[17:17] <Michalxo> richardcavell, what means pipeline?
[17:17] <AnAnt> richardcavell: -8 in the pipeline is a bug ?
[17:17] <AnAnt> Michalxo: if I understand correctly, it means coming in the way
[17:17] <richardcavell> Michalxo: pipeline is what fluids flow through.  So it means that the item is coming through a series of stages and it will get to us.
[17:18] <richardcavell> AnAnt: no, -7 is the buggy one.
[17:18] <Michalxo> ah, great then :)
[17:18] <AnAnt> oh
[17:18] <richardcavell> Michalxo: are you French?
[17:18] <Michalxo> nope
[17:18] <Michalxo> SVK
[17:18] <richardcavell> I notice that there are many dupes of this bug
[17:18] <richardcavell> Including one from me
[17:18] <oldude67> ok good its not just me then , i thought i broke my system again with that update...grrrr....:(
[17:18] <natewiebe13> Canadian..
[17:18] <richardcavell> French Canadian?
[17:18] <natewiebe13> nope
[17:18] <natewiebe13> ontario
[17:19] <natewiebe13> but i can kinda speak french
[17:19] <richardcavell> When people say "What means...", it often means they're French.
[17:19] <AnAnt> LP 414795
[17:19] <richardcavell> I don't get sound out of anything other than one app
[17:19] <natewiebe13> (as in the pc speaker)??
[17:19] <oldude67> well i would much rather have my computer not beeping then not shutting down right...
[17:20] <natewiebe13> pc speaker or a beep through the speakers?
[17:20] <natewiebe13> if its from the pcspeaker.. im glad.. now i dont have to blacklist pcspkr on every ubuntu machine i install
[17:21] <AnAnt> natewiebe13: I can't really be sure on a laptop !
[17:21] <itswhatev> anybody who uses virtualbox know if they have an irc channel?
[17:21] <natewiebe13> true
[17:21] <oldude67> and i dont think its so much the kernel as it is with one of the upgrades ,cause i had the -7 kernel installed for a couple of days no problem, then did distro-upgrade and thats when it went screwy.
[17:21] <AnAnt> natewiebe13: pcspkr is blacklisted in karmic now
[17:21] <Michalxo> itswhatev,  /join #virtualbox
[17:21] <natewiebe13> AnAnt: which is good..
[17:22] <oldude67> itswhatev, i also think they have #vbox too
[17:22] <AnAnt> natewiebe13: sure, but if someone needs it & modprobe's it, it should work
[17:22] <natewiebe13> AnAnt: i get sound, so its from the pcspkr that the bug is about.. but since its blacklisted.. i dont think its a bug
[17:22] <AnAnt> natewiebe13: btw, the bug is that I don't get a beep !
[17:22] <natewiebe13> and you unlisted it?
[17:23] <natewiebe13> *removed it from blacklist*
[17:23] <AnAnt> natewiebe13: ah, you mean I should do so ?
[17:23] <natewiebe13> if you dont get a beep.. remove the line "blacklist pcspkr" from blacklist.conf ... then restart and see if you get a beep
[17:23] <oldude67> AnAnt, um yeah if you want it to beep.
[17:24] <natewiebe13> if pcspkr is in blacklist.conf that would explain why you dont get a beep.. its blacklisting the pcspeaker on startup
[17:25] <AnAnt> natewiebe13: I thought that modprobing it after boot would do
[17:25] <AnAnt> but prolly you're right
[17:25] <natewiebe13> nope
[17:25] <AnAnt> blacklisting it could be causing something else to take its place
[17:26] <natewiebe13> maybe.. but try what i said
[17:26] <natewiebe13> make sure you restart after changing the blacklist.conf file
[17:33] <RagnarokAngel> anyone running empathy want to help me test if I can make audio calls now? I keep getting an error, and want to be sure before I file a bug
[17:33] <Michalxo> RagnarokAngel, PM?
[17:34] <RagnarokAngel> Michalxo: sure
[17:34] <itswhatev> ugh.. this vbox channel is all idle'rs
[17:40] <AnAnt> yeah, will do this now
[17:54] <tanath> i was chainloading grub2 from grub1, but the last update eliminated grub1 and now i can't choose which kernel to boot >.<
[17:55] <tanath> when i installed grub2 it said to run a command to get rid of grub1 after i've tested it, so why would it do that without asking?
[18:03] <sparr> i have no audio in flash in firefox, anyone else experiencing that issue?
[18:05] <tanath> i've had occasional audio issues, usually with flash. sometimes it gets muted or the settings get changed
[18:17] <RagnarokAngel> sparr: somtimes flash is muted, sometimes it isn't for me
[18:17] <sparr> any idea what causes that?
[18:17] <sparr> tanath: are those settings displayed somewhere?
[18:18] <tanath> you in gnome?
[18:19] <tanath> look at the volume thingy in notification area
[18:19] <tanath> there's settings/prefs in clicking it and right-clicking it
[18:19] <tanath> my gnome's not working though, so i can't tell you exactly
[18:20] <tanath> or there's the Sounds applet in menus @ top
[18:20] <shadeslayer> wow... gnome has so many problems..and people say KDE has issues... ;)
[18:22] <billybigrigger> hey all
[18:22] <shadeslayer> billybigrigger: hi
[18:23] <billybigrigger> root@sysresccd /mnt % chroot /mnt/root
[18:23] <billybigrigger> chroot: cannot run command `/bin/zsh': No such file or directory
[18:23] <billybigrigger> does that mean anything to anyone?
[18:23] <billybigrigger> i'm in a rescuecd and can't chroot into my broken karmic partition :(
[18:23] <billybigrigger> i'm ready to chuck this drive out the window haha
[18:23] <billybigrigger> root@sysresccd /mnt % chroot /mnt/root
[18:23] <billybigrigger> chroot: cannot run command `/bin/zsh': No such file or directory
[18:24] <billybigrigger> zsh must be a shell or something i don't have installed???
[18:24] <billybigrigger> think a sym link from bash to zsh would work?
[18:25] <DanaG> you can just chroot /mnt/root /bin/bash
[18:25] <billybigrigger> fair enough
[18:25] <DanaG> that is, pass the shell as a parameter. =þ
[18:25] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: do you have pcpksr blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf ?
[18:25] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: nope
[18:26] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: http://pastebin.com/f515ed44e
[18:26] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: it is blacklisted
[18:26] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: look at the end of the file
[18:26] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: btw the new kernel hangs on shutdown.... like 20 pc of the bar in usplash remains wherein i have to manually shut it down
[18:27] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: yeah, it's a known bug
[18:27] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: oh yeah now  i see it
[18:27] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: -8 on the way
[18:27] <shadeslayer> yayy
[18:28] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: do you have the bug no. for that?
[18:31] <billybigrigger> yay.
[18:31] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: 418509
[18:32] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: thanks
[18:32] <AnAnt> np
[18:32] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: i never noticed they black listed the moudle  with the new kernel :P
[18:33] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: mac_v mentioned that in the bug I reported about PC beep
[18:33] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: beep works for you now,right ?
[18:34] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: not right now
[18:34] <shadeslayer> since its still blacklisted
[18:34] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: but if you modprobe pcspkr it will work,right ?
[18:34] <shadeslayer> hold
[18:35] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: nope
[18:36] <AnAnt> oh, ok
[18:36] <RagnarokAngel> is there any reason xrandr would crash my system?
[18:38] <AnAnt> bye
[18:48] <bjsnider> if they want xsplash to replace usplash they'll have to start the x server at about the same time they load the kernel
[18:49] <mac_v> bjsnider: thats the goal :)
[18:49] <xcdfgkjhgcv> Anyone else here with an Eee PC 901 experiencing Wi-Fi problems?
[18:49] <mac_v> bjsnider: actually xsplash wont replace usplash , it will just cover it , we will still see usplash on shutdown
[18:50]  * shadeslayer hopes they fix the kernel first :P
[18:50]  * mac_v scared of rebooting , due to -7 kernel shutdown probs
[18:50] <shadeslayer> mac_v: same here.....i force a shutdown or use a old kernel
[18:51] <mac_v> shadeslayer: i'm having to do a force fsck every time!
[18:51] <shadeslayer> mac_v: hehe
[18:52] <mac_v> the / just gets corrupted due to hard shutdown!
[19:18] <ikonia> shadeslayer: what's up with the kernel you're using ?
[19:21] <shadeslayer> ikonia: oh its a known bug,the kernel hangs during the shutdown
[19:22] <shadeslayer> ikonia: then you have press down the power button to force a shutdown
[19:28] <billybigrigger> anyone having problems with ubuntuone-syncdeamon and %100 cpu?
[19:33] <tillux> hi there. I just encountered a funny little "bug" that might be pretty annoying to first-users, after first-installation, I think: If the hardware clock is adjusted (automatically )to match the correct time(-zone etc) (directly after installation) it might be the case that the last mount time is e.g. 1 hour ahead of the current time, which will lead fsck to fail upon booting, so that you have to adjust the clock in bios...
[19:34] <mac_v> ikonia: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/418509 the kernel bug
[20:12] <natewiebe13> so anyone know if the updated xsplash is what today's art drop is?
[20:13] <natewiebe13> or how to fix the annoying notifications?
[20:16] <x1250> guys, what is the naming convention for git versions? I'm creating x264 package from git commit 448b1387254bbf186b83db0fd393477ea1d01a55
[20:16] <DanaG> weird... gnome-power--manager is no longer showing the brightness thingy.
[20:17] <x1250> bah, wrong channel :(
[20:17] <billybigrigger> bah
[20:17] <billybigrigger> anyone ubuntuone users here?
[20:17] <natewiebe13> DanaG: grub is no longer silent.. where do i put it back?
[20:18] <natewiebe13> billybigrigger: i use ubuntuone
[20:18] <billybigrigger> are you getting %100 cpu usage from it
[20:18] <DanaG> hmm, edit the "linux default" thingy in  in /etc/default/grub
[20:18] <billybigrigger> ubuntuone-syncdeamon has spawned a gazillion instances and is slowwwwing me doooown
[20:18] <natewiebe13> ive got 0% usage
[20:19] <natewiebe13> DanaG: what line
[20:19] <billybigrigger> haha look at this
[20:19] <billybigrigger> http://pastebin.ca/1544963
[20:19] <DanaG> hmm, wait, you're talking about grub itself being quiet?
[20:19] <DanaG> Do you have other OSes, and want it to still be silent
[20:20] <DanaG> ?
[20:20] <natewiebe13> yes, unless i press the ESC key
[20:20] <natewiebe13> billybigrigger: haha.. crazyness
[20:20] <DanaG> GRUB_DEFAULT=0
[20:20] <DanaG> GRUB_TIMEOUT=0
[20:21] <DanaG> perhaps set that?
[20:21] <billybigrigger> killall ubuntuone-sync does nothin
[20:21] <billybigrigger> i can't seem to kill it
[20:21] <DanaG> timeout zero means it doesn't prompt for a key... you have to already be holding a key (such as shift) to get the menu.
[20:21] <natewiebe13> timeout is set to 10, but there is hidden timeout
[20:22] <DanaG> weird, mine doesn't have that parameter.
[20:22] <DanaG> try this: aptitude changelog grub2
[20:22] <natewiebe13> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX whats that?
[20:22] <DanaG> and then check the notes there.
[20:22] <diverse_izzue> i have a problem since about two days that karmic hangs on shutdown. anyone else?
[20:22] <DanaG> that cmdline is where I put my console=ttyS0 console=tty0 arguments, for example.
[20:22] <natewiebe13> diverse_izzue: there is a bug.. its the kernel
[20:23] <DanaG> the LINUX_DEFAULT is where "quiet splash" goes.
[20:23] <natewiebe13> i have
[20:23] <natewiebe13> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
[20:23] <natewiebe13> and GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=""
[20:23] <diverse_izzue> natewiebe13, do you happen to know the LP bug #?
[20:23] <natewiebe13> diverse_izzue: one sec
[20:24] <natewiebe13> diverse_izzue: bug #418509
[20:24] <natewiebe13> DanaG: i'll try putting "quiet splash" under cmdline linux and see if that helps
[20:25] <diverse_izzue> natewiebe13, thanks. another thing: notify-osd misplaces notifications (middle of the screen on the right edge) - is that also known?
[20:25] <natewiebe13> back in 2 min
[20:25] <natewiebe13> yes
[20:25] <DanaG> All that changes is the usplash behavior.
[20:25] <DanaG> not grub behavior.
[20:26] <natewiebe13> diverse_izzue: it should be on the top right.. its a new feature but people are trying to get it back to top right (bug #419894)
[20:27] <DanaG> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1251304
[20:29] <natewiebe13> grub still appears..
[20:31] <natewiebe13> DanaG: mind taking a look? http://paste.ubuntu.com/260505/
[20:32] <DanaG> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7854520
[20:32] <DanaG> Looks like your issue is the reverse of this one.
[20:34] <natewiebe13> yeah..
[20:34] <DanaG> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-August/000599.html
[20:34] <DanaG> When I get home, I'll check what it's like on my no-other-os-installed spare laptop/.
[20:37] <natewiebe13> it was fine until the update this morning with xsplash
[20:38] <natewiebe13> which looks good after i replaced the background with what im using for my desktop and for the gdm
[20:39] <natewiebe13> DanaG: have you seen the new xsplash yet with the throbber?
[20:40] <DanaG> Yeah, it's rather hideous.
[20:40] <DanaG> It's like a twitchy, jiggly line.
[20:42] <natewiebe13> DanaG: they just have the direction of the throbber mixed up.. ken vandine said they are already working on a fix.
[20:43] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xsplash/+bug/412598
[20:43] <DanaG> Hmm, it might be good for them to make the wallpaper be set in an actual .conf file, at the very least.
[20:43] <DanaG> One for each stage.
[20:43] <DanaG> Otherwise, people will have to edit the gdm files, and dpkg-divert them to not get trampled.
[20:44] <natewiebe13> yeah.. i have changed mine already.. it was kind of a pain to find them though
[20:45] <DanaG> They should break it into two stages: boot -> gdm,   and then gdm -> desktop.
[20:46] <DanaG> And have two settable images.
[20:46] <natewiebe13> yeah.. right now its under PreSession and Init.. but you can have 2 settable images that way
[20:46] <DanaG> For example, Win7 does one thing until the login screen pops up, and then keeps the login screen background up until desktop is ready.
[20:47] <DanaG> "Also, we can't use two backgrounds (which one would you see in the autologin case?)."
[20:47] <DanaG> Which one?  The first one, of course!
[20:48] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xsplash/+bug/412598
[20:48] <DanaG> new comment just added.
[20:49] <natewiebe13> i dont know with autologin.. but with the gdm.. /Init/Default changes the first wallpaper and /PreSession/Default changes after the gdm
[20:50] <DanaG> interesting... switching off compiz saves about two watts.
[20:51] <itswhatev> anyone have any problem running "pppd call XXX" ? i get nothing
[20:51] <DanaG> heh, playing music over a bluetooth headset while on battery... that's two "bad things" at once: bluetooth, and keeping hard drive spun up.
[20:52] <natewiebe13> DanaG: do you have autologin enabled?
[20:52] <DanaG> Not right now.
[20:52] <DanaG> But I believe without xsplash, it does go from blank directly to desktop.
[20:53] <natewiebe13> okay
[20:53] <natewiebe13> with the bugreport it said 2 backgrounds?
[20:53] <natewiebe13> warty-final and the users?
[20:53] <DanaG> I changed my gdm login-screen wallpaper itself -- that's what makes it more noticeable.
[20:53] <natewiebe13> same..
[20:54] <natewiebe13> so i changed the grub default files
[20:54] <natewiebe13> (just trying to understand what the bug is about)
[20:54] <DanaG> Try changing the gdm user's wallpaper -- that'll make it especially noticeable.
[20:54] <DanaG> Perhaps it would be good to have the xsplash boot-stage wallpaper be one symlink, the xsplash post-login wallpaper be another symlink, and the gdm user's wallpaper default to point at one or the other.
[20:55] <DanaG> Probably point to the latter.
[20:55] <natewiebe13> okay.. thats what the bug report is saying?
[20:56] <DanaG> Yeah, and sort of about how there's no easy way to set these things.
[20:57] <natewiebe13> okay
[20:57] <DanaG> Could not load image 'warty-final-ubuntu.png'.
[20:57] <DanaG> Fatal error reading PNG image file: Not a PNG file
[20:57] <DanaG> =þ
[20:57] <natewiebe13> karmic is still alpha.. so there isnt normally an easy way
[20:57] <DanaG>  /usr/share/backgrounds/warty-final-ubuntu.png: JPEG image data, JFIF standard 1.01
[20:57] <DanaG> =þ
[20:58] <DanaG> It'd be nice to be able to customize those two stages of xsplash, even if they do default to being the same.
[20:59] <natewiebe13> so the kernel is fixed.. anyone know when its going to show up in the repos?
[21:00] <andresmh> after applying the latest updates i have sreadahead eating 80% of my CPU
[21:00] <andresmh> any ideas?
[21:03] <natewiebe13> how about why they are still doing development on putting the notifications in the middle of the screen?
[21:04] <DanaG> They're crazy; that's all I can think of.
[21:04] <DanaG> And now they've even broken the older gnome-power-manager brightness display, somehow.
[21:05] <natewiebe13> there is an update for 0.9.19
[21:06] <natewiebe13> according to macslow.net: experiment with centering bubbles vertically
[21:06] <cPF> and now suddenly kernel is downgraded to 2.6.30-1 by default... interesting
[21:14] <DanaG> "enforce notification-spam protection" -- well, thank goodness for THAT, at least!
[21:19] <natewiebe13>  anyone know if there is a way to turn of notify-osd until they get it fixed with out removing it?
[21:19] <natewiebe13> *turn off
[21:22] <lamalex> is it too late to propose new packages for universe?
[21:22] <lamalex> oh shit today is feature freeze
[21:22] <lamalex> when does that officially happen?
[21:23] <jussi01> lamalex: undefined time
[21:23] <jussi01> lamalex: and watch the language please
[21:24] <lamalex> sorry
[21:24] <lamalex> is there a doc about how to get something into the NEW queue
[21:27] <jussi01> lamalex: probably best addressed in #ubuntu-motu
[21:27] <lamalex> hm, i actually thought that's where I was..
[21:27] <lamalex> fail
[21:34] <Michalxo_> any new info about this "bug"/feature?
[21:34] <Michalxo_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-osd/+bug/419894
[21:39] <Arenlor> Are there any major bugs in Karmic?
[21:40] <Michalxo_> read FAQ on ubuntu karmic alpha 4 web page ;)
[21:44] <andresmh> everytime i insert a USB thumbdrive (I've tried about 5 of them) I get this error: mount: "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb"   http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/285483/tmp/screenshot34.png
[21:44] <andresmh> is this a bug with karmic or something on my end?
[21:47] <hggdh> andresmh, I do not have this problem here
[21:48] <Arenlor> I'm already using ext4, so that's no problem. GRUB 2 will be fun to try. It supports booting from ext4 correct?
[21:49] <genii> Arenlor: Works fine here
[21:49] <Arenlor> Great, will upgrade my boot partition as a test then.
[21:50] <Arenlor> Better than anything, I have a bootable thumb drive with 9.04 alt install disk on it ^_^' so not afraid of problems.
[21:50] <andresmh> i cannot even mount cd's
[21:53] <Michalxo> guys, ahve you updated your notifications?
[21:54] <aboSamoor> kernel 2.6.31-8.28 is out and I still can not get it, any explanation ?
[21:54] <Michalxo> daamn, that new notifications are baaad
[21:55] <DanaG>  yeah.
[21:55] <Michalxo> h but mathematics still the same
[21:55] <Michalxo> please post comment here... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-osd/+bug/419894
[21:56] <Michalxo> DanaG, they call it a FEATURE
[21:56] <Michalxo> it's rubbish not a feature
[21:58] <Arenlor> It's not a bug, it's a feature!
[21:58] <bucky> i want to use a torrent client to find some random file out on the internets... which should i use
[21:59] <Michalxo> Arenlor, but it;s crap feature
[21:59] <Arenlor> That's not how torrents work
[21:59] <andresmh> when inserting a USB I get an error. I did dmesg | tail and this is what I found: http://pastebin.com/d6a066f2d
[21:59] <Arenlor> Michalxo: It's the basic excuse when a 'bug' like that pops up.
[21:59] <bucky> that's what i thought.. i used to do this but can't remember what i used
[21:59] <andresmh> I've tried different USBs, different sizes and formats (fat, ext4, ext3, etc)
[21:59] <BluesKaj> bucky, torrent clients don't find random files unless they are already wrapped as torrent files
[22:00] <bucky> ic
[22:00] <Arenlor> bucky: What exactly do you want to do?
[22:00] <Michalxo> ae
[22:00] <Michalxo> Arenlor, so you think, that it will be fixed soon? :-/
[22:00] <bucky> Arenlor, see if i can find an old wordperfect deb somewhere
[22:00] <Arenlor> Michalxo: Not now that it's a feature.  And the more insistent they are, the more annoying they get. The best thing you could do would be to gently -- very slowly and gradually -- flash an icon unless it's an actual emergency that needs immediate attention.
[22:08] <BluesKaj> Arenlor, there's no default FF version in karmic
[22:09] <Arenlor> BluesKaj: What's the default browser then? It had been FF in Jaunty unless I'm confused.
[22:09] <BluesKaj> karmic is till alpha , so i suppose whatever you have installed now is it
[22:10] <BluesKaj> still
[22:10] <BluesKaj> FF3.5 runs fine tho
[22:11] <Arenlor> I will have to upgrade to 3.5 then
[22:11] <eurythmia_> if I were to start contributing as a developer, should I do an "apt-get dist-upgrade" to karmic, or a clean install?
[22:11] <BluesKaj> BBL ... dinner
[22:11] <Arenlor> eurythmia_: I'm not really sure. Maybe both?
[22:12] <BUGabundo> hi
[22:26] <Severian> Has the key to bring up the grub menu changed?  In Karmic, tab does not seem to do anything.
[22:30] <eurythmia_> so, how does the stability of karmic compare to, say, debian SID?
[22:30] <bucky> Severian, ESC  doenst work?
[22:31] <billybigrigger> clear
[22:31] <billybigrigger> close
[22:32] <Severian> bucky, I am not sure.  I can try booting and hitting ESC.
[22:32] <eurythmia_> billybigrigger: close on the less stable, or the more stale side?
[22:32] <eurythmia_> s/stale/stable/
[22:32] <DanaG> hmm, new package: boson.
[22:32] <DanaG> !info boson
[22:32] <DanaG> Too bad the icons in the game are so damn tiny.
[22:33] <bucky> Severian,  maybe add more than 3 seconds to your timeout
[22:33] <BUGabundo> eurythmia_: a bit more unstable
[22:33] <DanaG> Try figuring out what unit you're building, based on a 1cm x 1cm icon.
[22:33] <bucky> Severian, in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[22:33] <DanaG> Yeah, that's tiny.
[22:33] <Severian> bucky, not for karmic.
[22:34] <bucky> Severian, they did go to grub2  maybe it's different
[22:34] <Severian> bucky, karmic uses grub2 and the config files changed a lot.
[22:34] <BUGabundo> *a LOT*
[22:35] <BUGabundo> hey billybigrigger
[22:35] <billybigrigger1> ola
[22:35] <Innomen> how do i make the alternate cd upgrade instead of flatten?
[22:35] <billybigrigger1> kernel -7 sucks
[22:35] <billybigrigger1> hangs on shutdown :(
[22:35] <Innomen> thats known and will be repaired
[22:35] <Innomen> to my understanding
[22:35] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger mine won't even boot
[22:36] <BUGabundo> Innomen: flatten ?!?
[22:36] <Severian> billybigrigger, I saw a message that -8 is coming soon.  -7 is unusable for me,.
[22:36] <BUGabundo> Severian: +1
[22:36] <Innomen> BUGabundo, wide format erase etc
[22:36] <Innomen> wipe
[22:37] <BUGabundo> humm
[22:37] <Innomen> i want to upgrade apprently the install cd is able to do this i cant see how
[22:37] <billybigrigger1> anyone aware of a google talk client for console?
[22:37] <billybigrigger1> or pidgin like? with gtalk and msn support?
[22:37] <BUGabundo> not sure how Alternate cd works this cycle
[22:37] <eurythmia_> billybigrigger: anything that does jabber
[22:37] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger there are a few
[22:37] <BUGabundo> I just don't recall the name :(
[22:37] <billybigrigger1> ahh
[22:37] <eurythmia_> billybigrigger: check out bitlbee
[22:37] <billybigrigger1> haha
[22:38] <BUGabundo> Innomen: AFAIK once you place the CD it will prompt to be added to sources, and offer upgrade
[22:38] <BUGabundo> 'cause its newer
[22:38] <BUGabundo> but it will miss a *lot *of packages
[22:38] <Innomen> BUGabundo, you're right
[22:38] <BUGabundo> update-manager -d  should do it better
[22:38] <Innomen> thanks man :)
[22:38] <Severian> billybigrigger, irssi is supposed to have a plugin for xmpp support.
[22:38] <Innomen> oh?
[22:38] <Innomen> whats -d do?
[22:38] <billybigrigger1> Severian: oh ya?
[22:38] <billybigrigger1> Severian: i'm in weechat atm
[22:39] <Innomen> distribution?
[22:39] <danbhfive> Innomen: developer
[22:39] <Innomen> oh
[22:39] <BUGabundo> Innomen: devel release
[22:39] <Innomen> i just feed that to the terminal?
[22:39] <BUGabundo> danbhfive: no developer, but devel
[22:40] <BUGabundo> Innomen: yep
[22:40] <Innomen> kewl
[22:40] <Severian> billybigrigger, I saw a reference to it this last weekend.  I setup ubuntu server on a thin client and have no gui.  I plan to look for that plugin, but have not yet.
[22:40] <BUGabundo> please comment ANY 3rd party repo you have on sources, before upgrading
[22:40] <Innomen> ok
[22:40] <Innomen> anything else?
[22:42] <BUGabundo> read techincal over view and release notes
[22:42] <Innomen> can i do this with a usb installer or iso?
[22:42] <Innomen> i dont have any blanks
[22:43] <BUGabundo> Innomen: upgrade???
[22:43] <BUGabundo> you don't need media
[22:44] <BUGabundo> only for fresh installs
[22:44] <Innomen> i have no internet on the machine in question
[22:44] <Innomen> i have the alternate karmic install iso
[22:44] <Innomen> its ony my usb also
[22:44] <Innomen> on
[22:45] <BUGabundo> ahhh
[22:47] <Innomen> so how do i tell it to do its thing?
[22:47] <Severian> Innomen, Are you asking how to upgrade?
[22:48] <Innomen> yes
[22:48] <Innomen> offline from media
[22:48] <Innomen> booting to the media dosent appear to have an upgrade option
[22:48] <Severian> Is your computer currently running Jaunty?
[22:48] <Innomen> yes
[22:48] <Innomen> trhe machine to be updated is i mean
[22:49] <Milos_SD> hi
[22:49] <Milos_SD> I installed Karmic in vbox to test it
[22:49] <Milos_SD> but I can't do shutdown or restart :S
[22:50] <Milos_SD> is there a workaround for that?
[22:50] <Innomen> Severian, so, any ideas?
[22:50] <Severian> I can look up some details, but first.  You know that Karmic is not stable?  It is for testing only now.  I am not putting it down.  This is normal during the alpha testing cycle.
[22:50] <Innomen> yea i have everything backed up
[22:51] <Innomen> trying to make a dlink card work
[22:51] <Innomen> apprenlty it works oob under 9.1
[22:51] <Innomen> i must try
[22:51] <Innomen> i been at this all night
[22:52] <Innomen> am i like the only one ever to have to update a machine thaqt cant connect to the net?
[22:52] <BUGabundo> Innomen: then upgrading to a devel veriosn is not the soluion
[22:52] <Innomen> BUGabundo,  dude
[22:52] <BUGabundo> you need newer kernel, and you can get that from mainline PPA
[22:52] <Innomen> assume it is please, humor mwe
[22:52] <Milos_SD> how can I make xsplash work ?
[22:52] <Innomen> all night i said i've done all sorts of shit
[22:52] <BUGabundo> Milos_SD: kernel .27 is broken, get a lower version
[22:52] <Severian> From terminal prompt, type these three commands 1. sudo apt-get update  2. sudo apt-get install update-manager 3. sudo update-manager -d
[22:52] <Milos_SD> it is updated but I don't have a new xsplash screen
[22:52] <Innomen> includeing updateing the kernal
[22:52] <Innomen> Severian, offline
[22:53] <BUGabundo> Innomen: to kernel ppa??
[22:53] <Innomen> machine doed not have inet
[22:53] <Innomen> 020630rc3
[22:54] <BUGabundo> Innomen: have you tried to upgrade to kernel ppa, in mainline???
[22:55] <Innomen> explain
[22:56] <billybigrigger> why are notifications half way down the side of the screen now?
[22:57] <Milos_SD> lol... now gdm screen is so tin :S
[23:00] <bucky> Severian, i google and it said to go into cli mode with the c key and search http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1115512.html
[23:00] <bucky> you'd think there'd be an easier way
[23:02] <Severian> bucky, is your system not booting anymore?  I am not sure why you told me that.  Is it related to my question above?
[23:03] <bucky> Severian, maybe you can just change hiddenmenu to menu  ...is that the option?  no, i have a single boot machine that works but i haven't gotten into the menu myself
[23:03] <bucky> i'll try the boot menu option
[23:05] <Severian> bucky, The simple solution I found was to edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg   I changed the line that said set timeout=0 to say 5 instead of 0.  Then, tab worked.  The real answer is to edit /etc/default/grub, but I don't know for sure which line to change.
[23:06] <billybigrigger> anyone know how to force chromium to open deluge instead of transmission?
[23:07] <Michalxo> Arenlor, haha! changed the source code and fixed it! :D
[23:07] <Michalxo> better then removing whole notifications :)
[23:08] <bucky> Severian, that's good to know... tnx
[23:35] <sparr> i have no audio in flash in firefox, anyone have a fix for that issue?
[23:35] <acicula> unumute sound?
[23:35] <billybigrigger> be lucky you have flash :P
[23:35] <sparr> acicula: sound works in everything else
[23:35] <sparr> acicula: including non-flash things in firefox
[23:35] <acicula> iunno
[23:36]  * acicula iswatching flash on karmic-current
[23:36] <sparr> i know you don't know, i'm just wasting time replying to your unhelpful comment
[23:36] <acicula> it is helpfull
[23:36] <acicula> just not for your particular situation evidently
[23:38] <acicula> only thing i can think of is making sure you dont have sound deamons running, are you on a clean install or upgrade install?
[23:43] <keanu> is there any known bug involving a few CSS issues with firefox on karmic?
[23:43] <bjsnider> keanu, what issues?
[23:44] <blackest_knight> anyone know why pulse audio seems to require lots of cpu time
[23:44] <acicula> it's a software audio mixer
[23:45] <acicula> shouldnt grab more then a few percent i think though
[23:45] <blackest_knight> its not doing anythin with audio and taking 2/3rds of my cpu
[23:45] <acicula> that's abit much
[23:46] <blackest_knight> its almost as bad as evolution a cpl of years back
[23:46] <acicula> iunno probably get's stuck somewhere, did you check launchpad for similar bugs?
[23:47] <blackest_knight> not yet to be honest it gave me some packages to upgrade yesterday and i'm still trying to recover
[23:47] <blackest_knight> the new nvidia driver was quite something
[23:48] <blackest_knight> well if it actually installed nvidia.ko it miht have been
[23:49] <blackest_knight> then no kernel headers for my kernel, i really shouldnt play with prerelease software
[23:50] <acicula> probably
[23:50] <acicula> it broke my gsm broadband :P
[23:50] <blackest_knight> maybe I should do an over the top install of alpha4 i think it went it on as alpha3
[23:50] <sparr> why would skype think my default audio device is "bluetooth"??
[23:50] <blackest_knight> snap
[23:51] <xgpt> hello everyone, where can I download a FULL iso NOT a netboot image of karmic?
[23:51] <blackest_knight> acicula: i think the first kernel was ok with gsm
[23:51] <sparr> xgpt: one may not have been made yet?
[23:51] <acicula> blackest_knight: i lost count
[23:51] <keanu> bjsnider, there's a web app called rutorrent that i'm testing, and on karmic, it appears as http://imgur.com/KgLtP.png
[23:52] <hggdh> xgpt, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[23:52] <keanu> mainly, the side 'edges' of the general/files/etc tabs extend past the horizontal line, and the width of the "rTorrent settings" "window" appears to be shorter
[23:52] <blackest_knight> its not so bad if its just one system relying on it but I use that Pc to distribute the gsm round the place several people wanting to know why internet wasnt workin
[23:52] <xgpt> so should I just do a fresh install of 9.04 and then install the upgrades?
[23:52] <BUGabundo> !daily | xgpt
[23:52] <keanu> however, in jaunty, it appears normally - http://imgur.com/T1ExZ.png
[23:52] <hggdh> now this is up to you.
[23:53] <greg-g> has anyone else been having issues with flash where it won't recognize mouse clicks on sites like youtube? (ie: I can't pause/enlarge/seek in a video)
[23:54] <xgpt> hanks
[23:54] <xgpt> thanks
[23:55] <BUGabundo> greg-g: me
[23:55] <BUGabundo> I filed it upstream
[23:55] <BUGabundo> greg-g: but seems much better now
[23:57] <sparr> I restarted pulseaudio and now on the gnome sound preferences app, under Applications, I see Skype when it is playing audio, and another Skype when it should be recording, but the entries flash off and on and i hear the audio cut in and out when it flashes.  help?
[23:57] <keanu> bjsnider, what i find odd though is even when using an older version of firefox (say, 3.0) on karmic it still has the problem, but both 3.0 and 3.5 on jaunty are fine
[23:57] <BUGabundo> linux-headers-2.6.31-8-generic
[23:57] <BUGabundo> so we already have .8 ready??
[23:58] <bjsnider> keanu, i've encountered issues like this with 3.5 when the system font size is higher than usual
[23:58] <blackest_knight> sparr:  your having pulse problems too?
[23:58] <sparr> blackest_knight: yes!  started with silent flash in firefox, but now im noticing other issues
[23:58] <blackest_knight> sparr:  does this seem related http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7850330#post7850330