[00:03] <Aleric> I have a bash file that is being executed and I want it to print itself, starting at line 3 and on, but interpret every ${variable} as shell env variables.
[00:04] <Aleric> I suppose I have to run each line through echo? :/
[00:05] <pepperoni> anyone have ideas on what happened here, or how to fix this dpkg install ... https://pastebin.com/CXCnJT51
[00:06] <pepperoni> actually, it appears that the kernel did install in /lib/modules
[00:07] <pepperoni> i'm thinking it's a grub error of sorts
[00:07] <fd2> leftyfb, ubottu thanks
[00:08] <oerheks> pepperoni, is this debian?
[00:09] <fd2> i am noob in linux, i have write 'sudo apt upgrade' minute age, and in log get 'Generating grub configuration file ...' then 'Adding boot menu entry for EFI firmware configuration'
[00:09] <oerheks> why install a debian kernel in ubuntu??
[00:09] <fd2> it that normal? (i mean security)
[00:09] <fd2> oerheks, ubuntu based on it
[00:09] <fd2> oerheks, on debian
[00:10] <oerheks> don mix packages, for sure.
[00:10] <pepperoni> oerheks: no, it's ubuntu 18.04
[00:10] <oerheks> pepperoni, no support then, use ubuntu kernels only.
[00:10] <pepperoni> oerheks: it is an ubuntu kernel
[00:11] <pepperoni> it uses dkms as the package manager, it's one i built
[00:11] <oerheks> no, it is not.
[00:11] <pepperoni> umm, ok
[00:12] <pepperoni> Linux mydev 4.19.106-rt44 #88-Ubuntu SMP Tue Feb 11 20:11:34 UTC 2020 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[00:23] <p0a> Hello
[00:23] <p0a> How can I install TeXLive 2016 without removing my current texlive installation?
[00:23] <p0a> ideally I'd like a local installation
[00:25] <fd2> guys i have create file '144' and want to make it executable. i set in properties 'Allow executing file as program'. but it's still opened as text file
[00:26] <fd2> i put the file in Documents folder. then i ran terminal in that directory and try to '144'. and... 'command not found'
[00:26] <fd2> why ?
[00:26] <p0a> fd2: ./144
[00:27] <fd2> p0a, thanks, it worked out. but why ./ ?
[00:28] <p0a> fd2: the terminal by default looks up commands in $PATH
[00:28] <p0a> fd2: when you typed 144, it looked into $PATH, found no files named 144 and complained
[00:29] <p0a> fd2: the name ./144 is a relative path; . means current directory
[00:29] <p0a> so you're forcing the terminal to look at the specific file you want.
[00:30] <fd2> hm. i launch terminal from popup menu from the folder, and when i type 'pwd' it return '/home/user/Documents'. why then default looks up cmd dont set to that folder?
[00:32] <fd2> i have then other question. what does the reason to change current folder (i mean that pwd return) if folder for commands don't change ?
[00:32] <p0a> fd2: it just doesn't work like that. It looks at $PATH
[00:32] <p0a> try echo $PATH
[00:32] <p0a> which is a list of paths separated by :
[00:32] <p0a> you change the directory to execute commands like `ls' without having to specify the directory
[00:32] <p0a> among other thnigs
[00:33] <fd2> aaa, thank you!
[00:40] <fd2> one more question. i want to add hotkey to open terminal (i know about ctrl+alt+t). on WIN+C. i go to settings-devices-keyboard. there is a Plus buttons for new shortcut. Question: what command opens the terminal?
[00:43] <fd2> solved - 'gnome-terminal'
[01:27] <Aleric> bah linux is more bug than something else it seems :((
[01:33] <r3muxd> how do i set up a wireguard connection in network manager?
[01:33] <Aleric> I managed to get a VT now, using kernel params listed here: https://superuser.com/a/1177675/809919
[01:34] <Aleric> But the VT that I got didn't scroll correctly.  It only scrolled when some internal buffer became too full or something and then would scroll like 100 lines at once.
[01:38] <DynV> Is there some maillist or newsfeed I can join so I'm notified when a new version of Ubuntu is released?
[01:41] <Bashing-om> DynV: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/ .
[01:47] <DynV> I'm not familiar with that, how can I be emailed something when the new release is made?
[01:48] <DynV> If it's a newfeed, there's way I can be emailed it.
[01:49] <sarnold> DynV: click the first link on that page
[01:49] <Bashing-om> DynV: clock om a "date" in the new page select " More info on this list..." .
[01:49] <Bashing-om> click*
[01:51] <DynV> Thank you kindly.
[01:51] <Bashing-om> DynV: :) Help is what we do .
[05:14] <nickdo> hey guys, i have a headless ubuntu instance running in cloud for my projects and work. i was wondering if it is possible to install command-line Android emulator and use adb shell, while i am connected to the server over SSH?
[05:15] <nickdo> i basically want to use termux and compile and run some code inside adb shell.
[05:17] <nickdo> if y'all have done something similar or point me to a manual/gist talking about headless (command line only) emulator setup, that would be appreciated! :)
[06:49] <clarkk> Could someone explain the output to dpkg -l xserver-xorg-input-all to me, please?  Does this look ok?  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dXnv3vygxt/
[06:50] <clarkk> I don't understand lines 2 3 and 4
[06:54] <Flannel> clarkk: 234 are keys to the first three columns (with ascii art arrows).  Basically line 2 says the first column (row 7, the first i in "ii") can take the values of: Unknown, Install, Remove, Purge Hold.  It's also saying that that column is the /desired/ state.  Second one is status, third is errors.
[06:54] <Flannel> 2 for the first column (i), 3 for the second (i), 4 for the third (nothing).
[06:56] <clarkk> thank you, Flannel - that makes sense :)
[06:57] <clarkk> So my installation of xserver-xorg-input-all looks fine, doesn't it?
[07:00] <Flannel> clarkk: that package does, yep.
[07:02] <vegombrei> hi guys, so i need to update my bios but the site only gives exe files to update, how do i do this in ubuntu?
[07:50] <eeos> hi everybody! On *ubuntu is there a port of airplay? I have 18.04 LTS 64 bit.
[07:58] <clarkk> I am running Ubuntu 18.04 on a Dell Precision 7510 laptop. It was working perfectly for about 2 years, but in the last week the number keypad has stopped working except for on the login screen, and sometimes the trackpad stops responding (I can move the cursor around, but nothing reacts to it).  I have only installed the standard updates and a bios/firmware update (via fwupdmgr). Can anyone suggest anything I can do to resolve it?
[07:58] <ducasse> vegombrei: if they are actually self-extracting archives, you should be able to extract them with unzip or similar
[07:59] <ducasse> vegombrei: if not, you need some sort of windows install, there's a windows pe environment on for example hirens boot cd
[08:00] <clarkk> If I go into Settings > Language and Region > select the input source > click the small layout button, a visual representation of the keyboard is displayed.  The layout looks correct. When I press most keys, they turn orange as expected, except for the keypad
[08:07] <Drecondius> do all packages in the repos have an --install reccomends flag?
[08:07] <Drecondius> and I know i just mistyped that
[08:10] <ducasse> Drecondius: that's a feature of apt, not the packages, but not all packages have recommended dependencies
[08:12] <Drecondius> I had a suspicion, thanks for the confirmation though.
[08:22] <eeos> hi everybody! On *ubuntu is there a port of airplay? I have 18.04 LTS 64 bit.
[08:27] <ducasse> eeos: try 'apt search airplay'
[08:31] <eliyahuTBR> HELP! I'm WFH because of corona and I just booted up my machine and the sound doesn't work. When I go to settings, sound, there are no output devices listed. (don't know if this is relevant, but my system updated yesterday and my battery went all the way to zero last night). Any suggestions? I can't work from home w/o music.
[08:38] <eliyahuTBR> i rebooted. any chance I missed an answer to my question?
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> eliyahuTBR: sudo lshw -c sound in a pastebin plz?
[08:39] <eliyahuTBR> my machine doesn't see any sound output devices
[08:39] <eliyahuTBR> cioming up
[08:40] <lotuspsychje> eliyahuTBR: wich kernel are you on?
[08:40] <eliyahuTBR> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DW9df58QrZ/
[08:40] <lotuspsychje> eliyahuTBR: sudo lshw -C sound
[08:41] <eliyahuTBR> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/y5KQNwpNd6/
[08:41] <eliyahuTBR> i installed some codexes yesterday to make mp4s work
[08:41] <eliyahuTBR> i tend to supect this may be related
[08:43] <eliyahuTBR> 5.0.0-1040-oem-osp1
[08:43] <eliyahuTBR> my remote host closed socket, so i missed anything you said lotus
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> eliyahuTBR: try to undo your codexes first, see if that fixes
[08:44] <lotuspsychje> eliyahuTBR: your sound driver is loaded
[08:44] <eliyahuTBR> how do I do that?
[08:44] <eliyahuTBR> the rollback
[08:44] <lotuspsychje> eliyahuTBR: we dont know what you did in the first place?
[08:44] <eliyahuTBR> hehe. i googled the problem and ran the commands i found
[08:44] <eliyahuTBR> i have my bash history of hte commands
[08:44] <Drecondius> does the sound device show up in lspci or lsusb?
[08:45] <eliyahuTBR> how do i check that drecondius?
[08:45] <Drecondius> those are the commands eliyahuTBR
eliyahu@eliyahus-ubuntu-machine:~$ sudo apt install libdvdnav4 libdvdread4 gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly libdvd-pkg^C

[08:45] <eliyahuTBR> sorry
[08:45] <eliyahuTBR> i didn't mean to paste that. my apologies
[08:46] <lotuspsychje> eliyahuTBR: aslactl init ?
[08:46] <lotuspsychje> alsactl init
[08:46] <eliyahuTBR> lspci lists 00:1f.3 Audio device: Intel Corporation Device 34c8 (rev 30)
[08:47] <eliyahuTBR> Found hardware: "HDA-Intel" "Realtek ALC3204" "HDA:10ec0236,10280979,00100002 HDA:8086280f,80860101,00100000" "0x1028" "0x0979"Hardware is initialized using a generic method
[08:48] <lotuspsychje> eliyahuTBR: seems all good there
[08:48] <eliyahuTBR> whats the apt command to uninstall a series of packages?
[08:48] <lotuspsychje> eliyahuTBR: sudo apt purge package1 package2...
[08:48] <eliyahuTBR> as in i ran "sudo apt install libdvdnav4 libdvdread4 gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly libdvd-pkg~" yesterday and when I booted up today no sound
[08:48] <eliyahuTBR> ty
[08:49] <eliyahuTBR> rebooting
[08:50] <Drecondius> isn't there a command to install the codecs manually?
[08:50] <Drecondius> not one by one, but one meta package to install them all?
[08:51] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-restricted-extras
[08:52] <lotuspsychje> but depends what the user installed exactly
[08:52] <Drecondius> true
[08:52] <Drecondius> may have to go through the logs to see what was installed
[08:53] <eeos> ducasse: why is synaptic not finding it?!?!?!?!
[08:55] <eliyahuTBR> reboot didn't help
[08:55] <lotuspsychje> eeos: ducasse adviced apt-cache search
[08:55] <lotuspsychje> eliyahuTBR: install pavucontrol, select your audio card and test if you can make it work there
[08:56] <eliyahuTBR> ty. will try
[08:56] <eeos> lotuspsychje: yes, of course I did .... I am asking why is synaptic showing results that are very different from apt search.
[08:57] <lotuspsychje> eeos: because apt-cache and synaptic are 2 different things/methods?
[09:01] <Drecondius> Ok, I'm becoming irritated due to my  background switching on it's own, Is there any way to disable that behavior?
[09:04] <ashmacko> @Drecondius - do you mean your desktop background?
[09:05] <Mi5ter> Hi, was hoping someone can help me with an issue. I have a Harman Kardon Soundsticks stereo connected to my computer, its connected straight into the motherboard audio out plug. Problem is that Ubuntu seems to put this connection in power saving mode or something like this, because it disconnected the stereo after a certain amount of time. Is there anywhere I can configure audio power mangement to disable power saving? I'm on a stationary, not a
[09:05] <Mi5ter> laptop. Thanks
[09:08] <eeos> lotuspsychje: of course, but they should return the same results if one searches for "airplay" ....
[09:09] <lotuspsychje> eeos: did you not get results on synaptic?
[09:10] <eeos> lotuspsychje: nope .... that is the reason I came to the room, not rsults on synaptic or google .... I did not think about apt search sorry.
[09:11] <lotuspsychje> eeos: im getting results on apt-cache search airplay, aka 5 packages
[09:11] <eeos> lotuspsychje: and now that I have run apt search, I get also the results on synaptic ..... mmmm .... there must be something wrong with my configuration.
[09:12] <eeos> lotuspsychje: have to go to work!!!! Thank you for all your help .... have a good day.
[09:51] <eliyahuTBR> done w/ my first ever zoom meeting. i purged the packages i installed yesterday, but still no sound. any other suggestions?
[09:51] <lotuspsychje> eliyahuTBR: did you try the pavucontrol?
[09:52] <eliyahuTBR> whats the syntax?
[09:52] <eliyahuTBR> lol
[09:52] <eliyahuTBR> the syntax is pavucontrol
[09:53] <lotuspsychje> eliyahuTBR: i suggested you an hour ago, you said, yes ty will try
[09:53] <eliyahuTBR> then i jumped on a work meeting
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> eliyahuTBR: your irc client has a scrollback to read?
[09:54] <eliyahuTBR> yes. looking. ty for all your help lotus
[09:55] <ttamm> I have no cursor on login screen or wayland session, what package should I file a bug against?
[09:56] <lotuspsychje> ttamm: before filing bugs, we reccomend to come ask here first
[09:58] <eliyahuTBR> @lotuspsychje i launch pavucontrol and i get a box called Volume Control that says "establising connection to PulseAudio. Please wait..." and nothing happens
[09:59] <ttamm> Ok sorry, I'm on ubuntu 20.04 using radeon driver, haven't found any way to fix it online, works fine on x.org ubuntu session
[10:00] <lotuspsychje> ttamm: #ubuntu+1 to report 20.04 issues plz
[10:00] <ttamm> thanks!
[10:02] <lotuspsychje> eliyahuTBR: does pavucontrol see your audio card?
[10:08] <AnGe7> Hello here
[10:10] <AnGe7> i bought WiFi adapatr USB AC53 nano but don't work :( someone know how to install it ?
[10:11] <jeremy31> AnGe7: with the adapter plugged in post URL from terminal for>  lsusb | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:13] <AnGe7> https://termbin.com/k414
[10:14] <lotuspsychje> AnGe7: i had a bug on bionic on the AC51 here: 1852978
[10:14] <lotuspsychje> bug #1852978
[10:15] <AnGe7> AC51/53 is same ? :'(
[10:15] <eliyahuTBR> it seems that pulseaudio isn't running at start up. how do i fix that?
[10:15] <lotuspsychje> AnGe7: wich kernel are you currently on please?
[10:16] <jeremy31> It is rtl8822bu device
[10:17] <eliyahuTBR> it seems that pulseaudio isn't running at start up. how do i fix that?
[10:17] <eliyahuTBR> also, rythmbox can play sound from mp3s on my phone but sound from my browser isn't working
[10:17] <eliyahuTBR> sorry if those are repeats
[10:17] <jeremy31> AnGe7: You will need to have secure boot disabled and see DKMS instructions at https://github.com/cilynx/rtl88x2BU_WiFi_linux_v5.3.1_27678.20180430_COEX20180427-5959
[10:19] <AnGe7> @jeremy31
[10:19] <eliyahuTBR> i'm getting some sound now. as in if i try to turn the volume up past the max i get a little ding
[10:19] <AnGe7> i try
[10:20] <eliyahuTBR> but no output from youtube
[10:21] <AnGe7> done
[10:22] <AnGe7> jeremy31: need to reboot ?
[10:22] <jeremy31> AnGe7: check>  mokutil --sb-state
[10:22] <AnGe7> alexandre@devnco:~$ mokutil --sb-state
[10:22] <AnGe7> SecureBoot disabled
[10:23] <jeremy31> AnGe7: reboot
[10:23] <AnGe7> ok
[10:23] <AnGe7> thank you
[10:28] <AnGe7> jeremy31: doesn't work :(
[10:28] <AnGe7> maybe with kernel hwe ?
[10:29] <jeremy31> AnGe7: post URL for>  rfkill list | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:29] <AnGe7> https://termbin.com/lzev
[10:30] <AnGe7> (im on laptop with PCI WiFi Card and USB WiFi Adaptator)
[10:30] <jeremy31> AnGe7: in terminal>  rfkill unblock all
[10:30] <AnGe7> done
[10:31] <jeremy31> AnGe7: and url for>  lsmod | grep cfg | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:31] <eliyahuTBR> its just one of those days
[10:32] <eliyahuTBR> anyone have a suggestion as to how to solve the problem here on irc where i keep getting "* Disconnected (Remote host closed socket)"?
[10:32] <AnGe7> https://termbin.com/dx7d
[10:32] <jeremy31> AnGe7: did you install backport-iwlwifi-dkms?  That will have to be uninstalled
[10:33] <eliyahuTBR> it seems that pulseaudio isn't running at start up. how do i fix that?
[10:33] <AnGe7> i A backport-iwlwifi-dkms
[10:33] <AnGe7> so yes installed.
[10:33] <AnGe7> need to uninstall it ?
[10:33] <lotuspsychje> eliyahuTBR: connectiong issues/irc questions you can ask in #freenode
[10:33] <jeremy31> AnGe7: reboot after>  sudo apt remove backport-iwlwifi-dkms
[10:35] <eliyahuTBR> ty
[10:35] <AnGe7> ok
[10:35] <AnGe7> i try
[10:35] <AnGe7> thank you
[10:35] <eliyahuTBR> any suggestions on how to get pulseaudio to launch on startup?
[10:37] <jeremy31> eliyahuTBR: not me, the first thing I do is hit the mute button
[10:47] <AnGe7> jeremy31: thank you it's work
[10:49] <AnGe7> i have one question : I have a virtual machine (virtualbox) to work with a company (with VPN so). It work correctly when im using ethernet or sharing network with my phone (like ethernet) but if i using WiFi card, my VM doesn't find the network (i choose the right network interface in my virtualbox configuration...)
[11:10] <Arsen70> Hi all, I use Acer Aspire One, I need to install Ubuntu by USB, which version can I get and install by USB?
[11:11] <EriC^^> Arsen70: is it 32bit or 64bit?
[11:12] <Arsen70> EriC,  how can I check it?
[11:12] <Arsen70> EriC, at the moment installed 32
[11:13] <EriC^^> windows is installed?
[11:13] <Arsen70> EriC yes
[11:14] <Arsen70> EriC, I think Ununtu 12.04.5 is compatable?
[11:14] <EriC^^> Arsen70: go to control panel > system see if it's 64bit or 32bit
[11:14] <EriC^^> Arsen70: 12.04.5 is end of life, not supported anymore
[11:14] <Arsen70> EriC, ok, now
[11:15] <EriC^^> Arsen70: look for 32 bit or 64bit
[11:15] <EriC^^> which windows is it? windows 10?
[11:15] <Arsen70> EriC 7
[11:15] <EriC^^> ok it should say there under system if 32bit or 64
[11:16] <Arsen70> EriC 32
[11:16] <EriC^^> next to 'system type'
[11:16] <EriC^^> ok
[11:17] <EriC^^> Arsen70: download this file and put it on a usb via rufus or yumi
[11:17] <EriC^^> http://releases.ubuntu.com/xenial/ubuntu-16.04.6-desktop-i386.iso
[11:17] <EriC^^> !install | Arsen70
[11:17] <user217217> hello. my mouse cliks stop working.   can I fix this?
[11:19] <coffeeGhost> If every time I try to install the Thinkpad firmware update from Ubuntu Software it looks like it installs when it reboots but then it keeps coming up (same update) in Ubuntu Software... what should I do?
[11:33] <jeremy31> AnGe7: you need to set up a USB passthrough in the VM
[11:51] <ircme> Hi guys, I did a mistake. run "mv file $pwd" forgot () around pwd. and now the file is gone, since the var was empty
[11:52] <ircme> any idea on where the file is, or what happened ?
[12:03] <Arsen70> Fedora is 100 times better)))
[12:12] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:12] <firewire1394> hii
[12:31] <oft_gegong> just 14 more days till 20.04 !
[12:31] <lotuspsychje> !party | oft_gegong
[12:31] <lotuspsychje> hey ioria ; )
[12:32] <ioria> lotuspsychje, hi lotus
[12:32] <oerheks> 36 days to april 23.
[12:34] <Monona> I am having trouble getting my laptop's built in camera to work.  The light turns on, but Cheese says No device found.
[12:35] <lotuspsychje> Monona: is it light enough in your room?
[12:35] <lotuspsychje> Monona: when its too dark, i have the same on my laptop
[12:37] <Monona> lotuspsychje: Just upped the lighting, and I'm still having the issue.
[12:38] <MWM> is /etc/network/interfaces deprecated (or whatever it is called.  Not used anymore) https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/network-configuration.html makes no mention of it and seems to control DHCP with 'netplan' ?
[12:38] <lotuspsychje> Monona: could you compare it with another cam app, kamoso for example?
[12:45] <pragmaticenigma> MWM: The path you mentioned is there only for legacy purposes. It is not active by default. netplan and NetworkManager create configurations and push them to systemd-networkd which does do the management of your connection. Is there a specific need that you have that we might be able to help with?
[12:49] <BluesKaj> MWM:  netplan/yami file points to network-manager as the renderer ... the /etc/network inyerfaces file will work with dhcp if you want to use it, but you'll need ifupdown and disable network-manager
[12:50] <BluesKaj> interfaces that is
[12:52] <user217217>  I get problem with mouse clicks. Can I get some help, please? (I can't do cliks via touchpad or mouse) and I have some errors https://imgur.com/a/qs3QGVe
[12:52] <MWM> sorry. was afk.  I have no need of that file path, I was simply setting a static IP address and noticed that the wiki seemed to want netplan.
[12:53] <MWM> I didnt want to swim againt the current by using /etc/network/interfaces and cause myself extra work :D
[12:53] <lotuspsychje> user217217: lsb_release -a plz?
[12:54] <ioria> user217217, i'am afraid the error is about a sata port/device
[12:55] <Monona> lotuspsychje: kamoso install didn't work for me for some reason.  But I tried using media capture feature of VLC, and it was similar issue:  Nothing in Video device name dropdown.  It's like the camera isn't recognized or something...
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> Monona: is it internal cam, or an usb external one?
[12:55] <Monona> lotuspsychje: internal cam
[12:55] <oerheks> Monona, did it work before?
[12:55] <pragmaticenigma> MWM: My recommendation is to manage static IP addresses at the DHCP server/Home Network Router. It causes less issues
[12:56] <oerheks> what webcam is this? lspci or lsusb could tell..
[12:57] <MWM> pragmaticenigma: ty
[12:59] <Monona> oerheks: Yes, has worked previously. dmesg | grep uvcvideo outputs "Found UVC 1.00 device HP HD Webcam [Fixed]"  Didn't see the camera on lspci or lsusb.
[12:59] <lotuspsychje> on wich kernel please Monona ?
[13:01] <Monona> lotuspsychje: 4.15.0-88-lowlatency
[13:01] <lotuspsychje> Monona: ubuntu studio?
[13:01] <Monona> lotuspsychje: Yes
[13:02] <ioria> Monona, for the record, current is  91
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | Monona adviced by ioria
[13:03] <pragmaticenigma> ioria: but is that true for Ubuntu studio... notice they're on the lowlatency kernel release?
[13:03] <ioria> mmm, Monona run  'sudo apt update '
[13:04] <user217217> ianycho
[13:05] <user217217> ioria: so problel is in motherboard?
[13:05] <oerheks> user217217, mint-debian?
[13:05] <ioria> user217217, i see a troublr on your ata1; yes ... might be the disk, the cable, the port
[13:06] <oerheks> your issue is not ubuntu, right?
[13:06] <user217217> ioria: but why the reboot fix error?
[13:06] <ioria> apparently
[13:07] <sumagna> EriC^^ thanks for helping me out
[13:09] <EriC^^> no problem sumagna
[13:10] <Monona> ioria: ran update and upgrade.  Still no camera access. Going to try the old fashioned reboot...
[13:10] <ioria> Monona  iasked you to run apt update to check if you have some updates available ....
[13:11] <Monona> ioria: yes, ran sudo apt update, then sudo apt upgrade
[13:11] <ioria> Monona  nope,  sudo apt full-upgrade
[13:13] <Monona> ioria: sudo apt full-upgrade run
[13:33] <clarkk> If I go into Settings > Language and Region > select the input source > click the small layout button, a visual representation of the keyboard is displayed.  The layout looks correct. When I press most keys, they turn orange as expected, except for the keypad
[13:33] <clarkk> I am running Ubuntu 18.04 on a Dell Precision 7510 laptop. It was working perfectly for about 2 years, but in the last week the number keypad has stopped working except for on the login screen, and sometimes the trackpad stops responding (I can move the cursor around, but nothing reacts to it).  I have only installed the standard updates and a bios/firmware update (via fwupdmgr). Can anyone suggest anything I can do to resolve it?
[13:34] <clarkk> (sorry, messages should be in reverse order)
[13:34] <clarkk> I have no idea how to fix this. Could someone help, please?
[13:36] <oerheks> clarkk, test this; does the numpad control the mousepointer? then you have enabled 'mousekeys' in systemsettings > universal access > [point & clicking]  mouse keys
[13:36] <oerheks> keep 4 or 8 pressed..
[13:45] <Monona> ioria: After upgrade and reboot, now the camera showed up in the Cheese preferences menu, but still wasn't working.  Tried VLC media capture, and now I'm back to No device found in Cheese.  *sigh*
[13:45] <clarkk> oerheks, no way!!!!!   Mousekeys was on!  I literally never knew about that setting and have never knowingly enabled it   Thank you so much!!!   Do you know how I may have enabled unadvertently enabled it, or could it have become enabled some other way?
[13:45] <ioria> Monona  sudo apt  install guvcview
[13:45] <oerheks> clarkk, have fun!
[13:45] <oerheks> clarkk, no idea, there is no short key for that
[13:46] <clarkk> damn.  OK, well now I know. Thank you again
[13:46] <acresearch> people i need  help installing ubuntu 19.10, i am getting error 5  input/output error    i remember there was a really simple fix for it while installing it (turn something off or on) but i can't remember, can someone help me please?
[13:47] <Monona> ioria:  Installed. If I run it, I get "no video device found" error
[13:48] <ioria> Monona  lsusb | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:49] <Monona> ioria: https://termbin.com/9sib
[13:50] <ioria> Monona  grep uvcvideo  | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:50] <oerheks> *lspci
[13:51] <ioria> Monona, yeah, check also lspci
[13:51] <ioria> Monona  sorry,     dmesg | grep uvcvideo  | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:52] <Monona> ioria: https://termbin.com/9xpw
[13:53] <oerheks> !info uvcdynctrl
[13:53] <ioria> Monona  sudo rmmod uvcvideo
[13:53] <oerheks> yeah, rmmod and modprobe, read that somewhere too
[13:54] <Monona> ioria: Done.
[13:54] <ioria> Monona   sudo modprobe uvcvideo
[13:55] <Monona> ioria: Did that.  Checked Cheese, still "No device found"
[13:55] <ioria> Monona   guvcview
[13:57] <Monona> ioria: Guvcview error no video device found
[13:57] <ioria> Monona  paste  lspci -nnk   for the channel, i have to leave to a bit, sy
[13:59] <Monona> ioria: Thanks for your assistance!
[14:00] <Monona> lspci -nnk is here: https://pastebin.com/ymJxs7VU
[14:05] <koronapatientnoj> hello, how can i save my 144hz refresh rate in ubuntu 19.10  using nvidia? everytime i log off it resets to 60hz
[14:40] <pragmaticenigma> koronapatientnoj: You can save an xorg.conf file in the nvidia-settings tool ... On the screen for setting up the displays, there is a button to save X-configuration file. Save it to your local user account folder. Then use sudo to move the file into /etc/X11/ folder. Make sure that if there is already a file there, you back it up by moving it somewhere safe.
[15:03] <ufk> hi! :) i have a new hard drive. can I install ubuntu on that while logged in on my ubuntu
[15:09] <leftyfb> ufk: not really, no
[15:21] <sumagna> hello
[15:22] <oerheks> :-)
[15:24] <sumagna> :-)
[15:25] <zen_coder> How can I install a specific version of gcc?
[15:25] <zen_coder> e.g. 7.4.0 ?
[15:25] <zen_coder> I have ubuntu 18.04
[15:25] <zen_coder> unfortunately 2 days ago the gcc version was updated to 7.5.0, which will break one or two things
[15:26] <sumagna> have you tested whatever you are talking about breaking
[15:27] <oerheks> zen_coder, i think not, even the toolchain gives 7.5 https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-toolchain-r/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[15:27] <oerheks> fix your code
[15:27] <sumagna> right
[15:27] <sumagna> are you guys at home due to coronavirus?
[15:28] <oerheks> What virus?
[15:28] <sumagna> Corona Virus
[15:28] <sumagna> COVID-19?
[15:28] <pragmaticenigma> sumagna: This isn't a chat channel. Please visit us in #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:28] <sumagna> ok
[15:28] <sumagna> sorry for that
[15:29] <oerheks> !info clamav
[15:29] <zen_coder> oerheks: so there is no way to get back to a previouse version?
[15:30] <oerheks> zen_coder, that would be unlogical, fix your code
[15:30] <sumagna> there is no known way
[15:30] <zen_coder> why is it unlogical to have a certain version installed?
[15:31] <zen_coder> seems to me like a system failed by design, which does not allow this
[15:31] <sumagna> what?
[15:32] <zen_coder> what?
[15:32] <sumagna> system failed by design?
[15:32] <pragmaticenigma> zen_coder: Updates to GCC are to fix errors that lead to problems in the compiled applications. If your application is not compiling with the latest version, the appropriate action is to file a bug report, in case it is a regression issue. Beyond that... it's more likely that you have been leveraging a "feature" that was found to be inadvisable going forward. That is why the recommendation is to fix your code
[15:33] <sumagna> yea
[15:33] <zen_coder> sumagna: I want to install a certain version of an application of gcc
[15:34] <zen_coder> -gcc
[15:34] <zen_coder> inside of ubuntu
[15:34] <zen_coder> but this seems to be not possible
[15:34] <zen_coder> pragmaticenigma: sure it is an error on our side
[15:34] <sumagna> i can understand but there is no official way
[15:34] <zen_coder> seems so
[15:35] <zen_coder> however, this mean the whole architecture to install application within Ubuntu is failed by design
[15:35] <zen_coder> simple as that
[15:36] <ioria> Monona  if you're still there,  i think that maybe your webcam is hw disabled; check if you have a key combo to activate it or check your bios
[15:37] <pragmaticenigma> zen_coder: No, Ubuntu strives for stability, which is why it doesn't version chase the latest versions of applications "in release" ... when an update is provided, it is because there is a vulnerability patch or critical update. That is why there are release versions of Ubuntu
[15:39] <pragmaticenigma> zen_coder: If you are encountering an issue with the version presented, then it's on you to fix your code or research what is failing and file an appropriate bug report.
[15:45] <juanonymous> do you guys know a site that provides bash scripting tutorial for free?
[15:45] <pragmaticenigma> juanonymous: For recommendations and non-support related topics, please join us in #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:46] <oerheks> juanonymous, there is a whole channel, #bash /#dash
[15:46] <juanonymous> thanks
[15:56] <saphire_orb> hi, can anyone tell me where I can get the OV51x-jpeg driver sources please? The official link takes you to a defunct page
[15:56] <saphire_orb> http://www.rastageeks.org/downloads/ov51x-jpeg/ov51x-jpeg-1.5.9.tar.gz
[15:56] <saphire_orb> linked from here:
[15:56] <saphire_orb> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ov51x
[15:57] <oerheks> very old source https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ov51x-jpeg
[15:57] <pragmaticenigma> saphire_orb: That page was from 2013... it is very unlikely at this point you would need to install that, as it has very likely been superseeded by something else
[15:57] <oerheks> https://github.com/toots/ov51x-jpeg
[15:57] <oerheks> 5 years ..
[15:58] <oerheks> Code has since then been merged into the linux kernel and jpeg decompression is provided via libv4l
[15:58] <pragmaticenigma> saphire_orb: perhaps with more details, the volunteers here can help find that updated method of supporting your device
[15:58] <saphire_orb> yes, was thinking it might be superceded, but by what? Its an old cam and it works in VLC but not in other applications?
[15:58] <saphire_orb> The cam is a PS2 Eyecam
[15:58] <oerheks> !info libv4l
[15:59] <pragmaticenigma> might be looking for v4l-utils ??
[16:00] <oerheks> jups\
[16:00] <saphire_orb> I have some v4l and v4l2 stuff installed, but.... for example v4l2ucp does not seem to know what to do with the device. Just displays info but most controls are disabled. Thought it might be a driver issue
[16:00] <saphire_orb> I have v4l-utils installed. Added nothing to menu and I don't know what to do with it.
[16:01] <pragmaticenigma> saphire_orb: If the system is recognizing the device, it is not a driver issue
[16:01] <oerheks> so it works in vlc, how about cheese?
[16:02] <saphire_orb> pragmaticenigma well it does come up in lsusb:
[16:02] <saphire_orb> Bus 003 Device 007: ID 054c:0154 Sony Corp. Eyetoy Audio Device
[16:02] <saphire_orb> not tried cheese - what a strange name for an app?
[16:03] <sumagna> :-)
[16:03] <pragmaticenigma> saphire_orb: In some cultures, to get a subject to smile... they're asked to say "Cheese"
[16:03] <saphire_orb> oerheks just going to try that...
[16:04] <saphire_orb> hmm... cheese reports No device found
[16:05] <oerheks> maybe it is an usb2/usb3 port thingy? make sure it is not the blue connector
[16:05] <oerheks> = usb3
[16:08] <saphire_orb> oerheks nah, its in a USB2 port, although I do have blue ports on this machine as well. Tried in both but same result.
[16:08] <saphire_orb> as I mentioned, come up in lsusb and also produces a devices in /dev/videoX
[16:10] <saphire_orb> BTW, had a look in Preferences in cheese and it doesn't come up as a device in the dropdown.
[16:11] <oerheks> then i have no clue, find no bugreport either ..
[16:12] <saphire_orb> pragmaticenigma I do have v4l-utils installed. Could do with some kind of info on how to use them. Still searching, but struggling to find anything sensible
[16:14] <saphire_orb> did find this which was of some help, but it lists very few controls for this cam:
[16:14] <saphire_orb> https://www.kurokesu.com/main/2016/01/16/manual-usb-camera-settings-in-linux/
[16:15] <pragmaticenigma> saphire_orb: looking at a few things... I'm seeing that the camera is very specific about the USB port it is plugged into, it's not compatible with some motherboard chipsets, and it seems very stuck on specific applications that it will work with
[16:20] <saphire_orb> pragmaticenigma hmm, that might explain it. It would just be typicall of sone to limit it. However, I did get it to work on Win once I tracked down the correct drivers. Was hoping for the same on Linux
[16:21] <pragmaticenigma> saphire_orb: After trying to read through a portion of this thread: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=272328 ... I'm seeing that there is something called gspca that might be what you are needing. What I recommend is read that entire thread. They make references to something have changed to no longer require that jpeg driver you mentioned earlier
[16:22] <pragmaticenigma> saphire_orb: Beyond that... given the date of that camera, you can easily get a camera with a higher quality picture for a reasonable price
[16:22] <saphire_orb> btw, I tracked down the driver souce but it won't make. No targets. Stop.
[16:22] <saphire_orb> tried compiliong the test utility but that is looking for something called vdieodev.
[16:23] <saphire_orb> pragmaticenigma true, I could get a more up to dat camera. Just thought I'd see what I can do with this before consigning to the bin...
[16:24] <saphire_orb> there is something called vdieodev2 related to SIP in the repo, but nothing called just videodev.
[16:24] <saphire_orb> guess this cam it is just too old
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> saphire_orb: if there isnt one yet, you could always consider a new !bug
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> saphire_orb: wich kernel are you on currently?
[16:26] <saphire_orb> 4.18.0-14
[16:26] <lotuspsychje> erm
[16:26] <lotuspsychje> wich ubuntu release?
[16:28] <saphire_orb> 18.04.4 LTS
[16:29] <saphire_orb> Think its Ubuntu 19. Downloaded the ISO a couple of weeks ago.
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> saphire_orb: lsb_release -a
[16:35] <zen_coder> pragmaticenigma: ever used pip from python?
[16:36] <amundsen> hhi
[16:37] <amundsen> is 20.04 stable enaough to use it in a workstation?
[16:37] <pragmaticenigma> amundsen: 20.04 is not even in beta yet
[16:38] <amundsen> pragmaticenigma, so you don't recommend to use it
[16:38] <pragmaticenigma> amundsen: Do you see 20.04 in the room topic? No? that's because it isn't supported or ready yet
[16:38] <pragmaticenigma> zen_coder: Do you have a specific question?
[16:39] <amundsen> i know it's not supported. i was just wondering if it is safe to work with it
[16:39] <amundsen> but your answer has been clear enough
[16:40] <pragmaticenigma> amundsen: only if you are testing compatibility in a test environment... then it would be appropriate to consider using
[17:11] <saphire_orb> Distributor ID: Ubuntu   Description:    Ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS   Release:        18:04    Codename:       bionic
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> saphire_orb: that does not match with your kernel version
[17:50] <cixx> hi.
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> welcome cixx
[17:50] <cixx> i installed ubuntu 18.04 and it asks for keyring password when i open chrome
[17:50] <cixx> i didn't set any password.. what is default password?
[17:50] <cixx> i tried my user password but it doesnt accept
[17:51] <oerheks> did it ask for a password, or to set a password?
[17:52] <cixx> it asks for a password
[17:53] <cixx> hmm... i found the password. it is the password i set for the first user. i had changed the password after installation and i was trying current password
[17:53] <cixx> but it asks for the first password
[17:54] <pragmaticenigma> cixx: How did you change the password for the user?
[17:54] <cixx> passwd user
[17:54] <pragmaticenigma> cixx: That's why... the "passwd" command does not update all the other tokens tied to the password
[17:54] <cixx> hm
[17:55] <cixx> i am sorry :(
[17:55] <pragmaticenigma> It's not well documented, but if you are in the GUI, it is preferable to change the password in the Settings area
[17:56] <cixx> i usually use linux for servers, i really don't have so much gui experience on linux
[17:56] <cixx> also ubuntu asks me to send information about the problem
[17:56] <cixx> i answered as yes a few times but i want to see what i sent
[17:56] <cixx> how can i see what i sent before?
[17:57] <pragmaticenigma> cixx: Apport crash reports should be viewable in /var/crash
[17:58] <ioria> cixx, try   https://errors.ubuntu.com/user/$
[17:59] <cixx> _usr_bin_gnome-shell.121.crash  _usr_bin_mutter.1000.crash  _usr_lib_gnome-settings-daemon_gsd-color.1000.crash  _usr_lib_gvfs_gvfsd-smb-browse.1000.crash  _usr_lib_policykit-1_polkitd.0.crash
[17:59] <cixx> wow.. so much crashes for a fresh new installation
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> cixx: your kernel version?
[18:14] <cixx> 5.3.0-42-generic #34~18.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Fri Feb 28 13:42:26 UTC 2020 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> cixx: can we see a pastebin of your dmesg plz?
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> recent install and so many crashes, interesting to see
[18:22] <cixx> lotuspsyc https://justpaste.it/2k7px
[18:22] <cixx> lotuspsychje: https://justpaste.it/2k7px
[18:23] <sarnold> cixx: btw most irc clients let you type a few letters of a nickname and complete the rest of it with tab, so lot<tab> --> lotuspsychje  :)
[18:24] <aleph-> So, found a bug in systemd-resolved packaged with 18.04LTS
[18:24] <sarnold> cixx: wow that looks unhappy. look for some firmware updates, and probably look if there's a way to install them through the BIOS rather than through fwupdmgr -- this system looks unstable
[18:24] <aleph-> Heya sarnold
[18:25] <sarnold> heya aleph- :)
[18:26] <aleph-> So getting this error here: https://paste.rs/cY5
[18:26] <aleph-> When trying to start systemd-resolved.
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> cixx: do you have an AMD hybrid graphics card in there?
[18:26] <sarnold> aleph-: linode -- is that an openvz instance?
[18:26] <aleph-> It was working previously, and there's been no config changes, nor updates to systemd. Currently still at systemd237
[18:26] <aleph-> sarnold: Quemu iirc
[18:27] <cixx> lotuspsychje: i am not sure :)
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> cixx: and like sarnold adviced, alot of acpi issues, aka update bios: ACPI BIOS Error (bug): AE_AML_PACKAGE_LIMIT, Index (0x000000005) is beyond end of object (length 0x5) (20190703/exoparg2-396)
[18:28] <cixx> it is hp elitebook 840
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> cixx: sudo lshw -C video, to check
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> cixx: your radeon spits alot unhappy errors out aswell
[18:30] <cixx> product: HD Graphics 620
[18:30] <cixx> product: Opal XT [Radeon R7 M265/M365X/M465]
[18:30] <cixx> there seems two products
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> cixx: yeah hybrid
[18:31] <donofrio> how do I get the wireless control to accept my wifi password (it is 9 chars fwiw)
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> cixx: normally you can use the 'switcheroo' tool to control wich cards you use, did you try that?
[18:32] <aleph-> sarnold: Seems setting `PrivateDevices=no` in the service file let's me restart it
[18:32] <aleph-> Saw some inkinling of this in a bug report
[18:32] <aleph-> inkling*
[18:39] <cixx> lotuspsychje: i installed it right now and run via sudo but it started to run at background
[18:39] <cixx> it doesnt ask anything to change card
[18:40] <lotuspsychje> cixx: i actually never used it myself, is there a manpage on that?
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> cixx: ah, try launching an app with right mouse==>choose card
[18:57] <Nomenclatura> Hi. I'm not very used to ubuntu... I have tried to set locale only to en_DK using dpkg-reconfigure locale and checking the locale.gen file.
[18:58] <Nomenclatura> When locales are generated, it also generates a ton of other locales that are not related.
[18:58] <Nomenclatura> why???
[19:00] <pragmaticenigma> Nomenclatura: It's helpful to include details, like what additional locales are being generated. A pastebin of output from dpkg-reconfigure if you can capture it.
[19:01] <Nomenclatura> thats it...
[19:02] <Nomenclatura> it seems to generate most or all of the spanish and english locales
[19:02] <Nomenclatura> simple
[19:02] <Nomenclatura> ah... the 'debian way'...
[19:04] <jjbuggle> is there a way to rip a dvd, both compresssing the video and maintaining the menus?
[19:04] <togo> I have a 2TB external USB, and today I tried to pen a folder and it says something about IO error
[19:04] <togo> open
[19:06] <togo> I unmounted and ran fsck on the volume, but it only says: fsck run from util-linux 2.34
[19:06] <togo> nothing more...
[19:06] <jjbuggle> togo: you should probably at least say what the error is
[19:07] <togo> yesterday I thought I had added some folders (*4GB) and then I could not find them, today it is unable to open the parent folder and says something obout IO error
[19:08] <jjbuggle> togo: please see my previous comment, the exact text of the error
[19:09] <togo> not much, and now it is unmounted, so I cant repeat it
[19:10] <donofrio> anyone know how I can connect my notebook to my asus router, I type in my 9 char password and it looks like it accepts it but then the dialog returns ;(
[19:10] <togo> jjbuggle, there was no code and just cant open io error
[19:11] <jjbuggle> donofrio: did you try another broswer?
[19:13] <togo> jjbuggle, yes NEMO could open that folder
[19:13] <p0a> Hello I am trying to install texlive 2016 (specifically that version). I have a newer version, but I'd like to have both
[19:14] <p0a> I am thinking of setting up an ubuntu in virtualbox or something like that.
[19:14] <togo> is there something to be fixed, or is the build in browser of Ubuntu studio buggy?
[19:14] <Eickmeyer> togo: It's the exact same Firefox as in any Ubuntu flavor.
[19:15] <jjbuggle> togo: screenshot the error?
[19:16] <jjbuggle> p0a: I don't know why you are doing this, but vbox sounds like a good idea
[19:17] <p0a> jjbuggle: I am trying to submit a .tex file to arxiv.org and I can't get it to approve of my file
[19:17] <p0a> jjbuggle: in particular I have to submit a .bbl file from biber but different versions are not compatible
[19:18] <p0a> and arxiv uses the 2016 version
[19:19] <jjbuggle> p0a: honestly, it still sounds like vbox is the way to go.  You can even backup the whole things before trying to upgrade versions of whatever, and then rewind if it doesn't work
[19:19] <sarnold> p0a: you could try installing xenial or trusty in an LXD instance or VM, and see if those texlive versions are old enough
[19:19] <jjbuggle> p0a: like what sarnold is saying, just pick a version of ubuntu that has the versions you are looking for
[19:20] <sarnold> p0a: though I have to think it's probably worthwhile telling the arxiv folks that they are mkaing it needlessly difficult for people to provide them with papers
[19:20] <p0a> sarnold: my experience with academia is that you must always avoid any interaction with anyone
[19:20] <oerheks> p0a, you asked yesterday too, no.
[19:21] <oerheks> ask again tomorrow?
[19:22] <p0a> I asked twice because I was quite frustrated yesterday and left and I don't remember if I got any answers
[19:22] <oerheks> !logs
[19:23] <oerheks> read back, for your convenience
[19:23] <p0a> There's nothing there
[19:24] <p0a> Anyway, thanks for the log link
[19:24] <sarnold> quite often people will notice someone has left and not bother answering someone who isn't there
[19:39] <celphi> anyone have any idea what this is?
[19:39] <celphi> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/as4hBwP0/image.png
[19:41] <pragmaticenigma> celphi: Care to describe what we are supposed to see there... volunteers are often cautious of clicking random links in the chat
[19:41] <celphi> Oh it's a picture of my htop
[19:41] <celphi> sorry
[19:41] <donofrio> anyone gottime to help me get my notebook to connect to my asus access point, my passphrase is 9 chars so it should be acceptable and it tries then returns to the dialog?
[19:42] <pragmaticenigma> celphi: Looks like an application that might be running under wine potentially? or steam client?
[19:42] <oerheks> donofrio, choose the right connection type, *not* WEP
[19:42] <celphi> it's on linux
[19:43] <celphi> no wine
[19:43] <sarnold> celphi: docker or runc or those kinds of things?
[19:43] <celphi> just the simple `htop` command
[19:43] <oerheks> celphi, sure it is a wine thingy, some snaps install wine snap too :-D
[19:44] <pragmaticenigma> celphi: We're asking what you are running... not the analyzer
[19:45] <celphi> im running centos7
[19:46] <donofrio> oerheks, where do I do that, I see my access point in the list I select it then it asks for a passphrase I type mine in 123home2g but it doesn't liek that or something?
[19:50] <oerheks> when you edit your wireles settings, Authentication, wpa +wpa2 personal ?
[19:50] <oerheks> last tab, security i think
[19:53] <JimBuntu> celphi: why not `file /proc/20757/exe` or such? Either way, I think you may want to go to one of the centos channels for support as options could quickly change and this channel is for limited Ubuntu support.
[19:54] <donofrio> it seems to already have that set....when I went to entprise it wanted certs and such so I et it back to personal but still no diffrence
[19:54] <oerheks> with all curious connection issues, try to reboot the router?
[20:01] <togo> jjbuggle, https://pasteboard.co/IZHMw14.png
[20:02] <donofrio> oerheks, many other machines useing it just fine (windows hosts and a few fedora hosts) it just seems like ubuntu doesn't want to connect how do I debug the handshake so I can show you it's working just not?
[20:03] <pragmaticenigma> donofrio: You could post a screenshot to imgr and send us the link to see what you are seeing
[20:03] <p0a> I tried to install virtualbox on 19.10 and I'm getting about 10 system problem error reports
[20:03] <p0a> "kmod" has stopped unexpectedly, etc
[20:04] <sumagna> handshakes not advisable at this momeny
[20:04] <sumagna> *moment
[20:04] <p0a> handshakes?
[20:04] <kostkon> p0a, pastebin them
[20:04] <p0a> is that to me?
[20:04] <p0a> kostkon: I already reported the virtualbox one, I can pastebin the kmod one if you want
[20:04] <pragmaticenigma> sumagna: please keep on topic and save commentary for #ubuntu-offtopic... as you can see, it will confuse other users
[20:04] <sumagna> ok
[20:04] <sumagna> sorry again
[20:04] <jjbuggle> hmmm, I'm still coming up short in terms of ripping a dvd.  Tried handbrake, but it only copies a single video from the dvd.  I'm trying to get all videos from the disc.  (It is a copy the TV series Sherlock, so I want all the episodes from that disc.)  I just tried k9copy, but it is glitching, and getting seg faults.  Tips?
[20:04] <sumagna> i am not very used to irc right now
[20:05] <sumagna> so getting used to it
[20:05] <p0a> kostkon: do you know where I can find these errors? I can't copy from the graphical box that shows me the error
[20:05] <kostkon> p0a, no idea sorry
[20:05] <pragmaticenigma> jjbuggle: What you seek does not exist. There are various container formats that allow you to capture all of the different file streams available on the disk, but the menu system is unique to a DVD media.
[20:06] <jjbuggle> pragmaticenigma: oic.  ok.
[20:07] <p0a> Also bizzaredly, I now have virtualbox installed, but it's broken
[20:07] <donofrio> how do I use this setup on ubunut paste.opensuse.org/22526525
[20:07] <jjbuggle> p0a: where did you install vbox from?
[20:07] <p0a> I am surprised that apt did not revert the changes since errors were encountered. Is that normal?
[20:07] <donofrio> cause it works in fedora
[20:07] <p0a> jjbuggle: apt
[20:07] <donofrio> so it's not a router issue
[20:08] <jjbuggle> p0a: maybe try website
[20:08] <donofrio> or passphase size
[20:08] <jjbuggle> pragmaticenigma: thanks!  I will just use handbrake.  Thankyou for clarifying my situation
[20:09] <oerheks> donofrio, join #fedora ??
[20:10] <oerheks> really, it is not an ubuntu issue, i read logs often.
[20:10] <oerheks> good luck!
[20:10] <jjbuggle> p0a: https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads
[20:12] <jjbuggle> togo: so you just can't access a file?
[20:12] <donofrio> oerheks, I am trying to get an ubuntu install to connect only used fedora as a baseline to prove that it works
[20:13] <togo> jjbuggle, no, because of that it fails to show the entire folder
[20:13] <jjbuggle> togo: have you tried the cli?
[20:13] <togo> nemo can schow the folder contents except for that mentioned file
[20:13] <togo> cli?
[20:13] <jjbuggle> terminal
[20:15] <togo> yes I can ls that folder
[20:16] <togo> to try to delete the faulty file?
[20:16] <jjbuggle> togo: do you want to delete it?
[20:17] <togo> if that eliminates the fault...
[20:18] <p0a> How can I install virtualbox from a .deb file? Last time I tried using apt it installed something from the sources instead
[20:19] <sarnold> sudo dpkg -i
[20:19] <p0a> Ah, the guidelines are on that virtualbox website actually. Let me try again
[20:19] <p0a> thank you sarnold
[20:19] <jjbuggle> p0a: stick with what is said on the website.  You might want to add the ppa to your sources
[20:21] <jjbuggle> togo: can you start a terminal, and navigate to the folder?
[20:21] <jjbuggle> togo: cd /media/togo/Sp3                    should get you started
[20:22] <pragmaticenigma> donofrio: It is fine if you want to create such a file for your own purposes, but it provides the vounteers here no benefit. You were asked to provide some screenshots of what you were seeing for us to help you figure out what might be going on. If you're not presetnly on Ubuntu, we can't help you, configurations do not easily translate between the two distributions.
[20:22] <togo>  cd: A False Reality (2015) GAIA 720p WEB-DL x264: Input/output error
[20:23] <togo> sagt bash:
[20:24] <donofrio> pragmaticenigma, I am on ubuntu that paste was just to show a working system, I'll provide screenshots in a moment from ubuntu notebook.
[20:25] <donofrio> I mean at frst he wanted me to restart my router, when all these other clients are worksing so that was the reason for the dmesg from fedora notebook to show you here is a box that works, and here is one that doesn't...
[20:25] <jjbuggle> donofrio: it is better to provide all information in one message so as not to confuse people
[20:26] <willdeberry> afternoon all. running into error on multiple 16.04 boxes and am not sure how/why this is occuring. dpkg: error: info database format (2) is bogus or too new; try getting a newer dpkg. the contents of /var/lib/dpkg/info/format are 1. I can rm the file and apt/dpkg are happy but it seems to get back into that state. trying here for some help as I couldn't find much on askUbuntu
[20:26] <jjbuggle> willdeberry: can you link your askubuntu question?
[20:27] <willdeberry> i haven't created one, just googling in general and I found an unaswered older similar question
[20:27] <willdeberry> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1142796/error-in-dpkg-database-info-database-format-is-bogus-or-too-new
[20:28] <willdeberry> was going to brush it aside but it has shown on up on it's 3rd machine. so that was the tipping point for me
[20:28] <jjbuggle> willdeberry: how do you fix?
[20:29] <oerheks> togo remove spaces in the name?
[20:29] <willdeberry> the "fix" so far is to rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/format and then proceed with the apt/dpkg command i was attempting when i came across the error
[20:29] <oerheks> silly illegal downloads, unsupported here
[20:30] <oerheks> i guess there was a *.exe to start the movie :-D
[20:31] <jjbuggle> willdeberry: and you are just doing basic upgrades to your packages?  not upgrades to 18.04?
[20:32] <willdeberry> correct, just apt update and apt full-upgrade on 16.04. not trying to go to 18.04
[20:32] <donofrio> diffrent question - anyone know quick way to remap keys would like to use left alt as Z and remap Z to be A (yes my a key is dead it seems on one of my notebooks) ;(
[20:33] <jjbuggle> willdeberry: maybe you should file a bug report then.  You might get better answers there.
[20:33] <oerheks> donofrio, ask in #fedora?  as you still have not provided screenshots of your ubuntu..
[20:33] <pragmaticenigma> donofrio: please stick to one thing at a time... until you have one issue resolved, please don't start a second one
[20:33] <jjbuggle> plus, you can link to all the relevant info
[20:33] <willdeberry> sounds good. just wanted to make sure i wasn't missing something obvious :). thanks!
[20:33] <togo> oerheks, you think it is a trojan file? It plays on the source computer
[20:34] <ioria> willdeberry, apt-cache policy dpkg
[20:34] <jjbuggle> donofrio: maybe this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/325272/permanent-xmodmap-in-ubuntu-13-04/347382#347382?newreg=4eb097870a15490ebbe39d78412f9797
[20:34] <willdeberry> ioria https://pastebin.com/mskiLerp
[20:35] <oerheks> togo source computer = windows? yes, you are hacked now .. we don't like !piracy
[20:35] <oerheks> !piracy
[20:35] <togo> no, its also on linux but mint
[20:35] <oerheks> so .. stop asking please
[20:36] <ioria> willdeberry, the version is correct, but the repo is unknown to me
[20:36] <oerheks> i get reactions in PM that you should be removed
[20:36] <pragmaticenigma> togo: The file in question is clearly not from a legitimate source. This channel as well as many others do not endorse or encourage piracy. So further help on the topic will not be provided.
[20:37] <jjbuggle> willdeberry: looks like you have the latest for 16.04.
[20:37] <willdeberry> ioria: we mirror for gate keeping reasons
[20:38] <ioria> i see
[20:38] <willdeberry> just so we can QA package changes. no other differences than mirroring
[20:39] <p0a> how do I figure out if I have xenial or what the name of my ubuntu is? uname -a doesnt show it
[20:39] <pragmaticenigma> p0a: lsb_release -a
[20:40] <genii> Or cat /etc/issue
[20:41] <willdeberry> ioria: ill dump things into a bug ticket unless you have some other ideas. just odd the rm will allow me to proceed but thenn the issue has seemed to come back
[20:41] <ioria> willdeberry, well, my idea is to change your sources.list, autoclean, and retry :þ
[20:42] <jjbuggle> willdeberry: please post the bug link here, for reference
[20:43] <willdeberry> can't change sources but i did an autoclean and retried a dpkg commad and immediately get error
[20:44] <willdeberry> https://pastebin.com/3VPf6xzD
[20:44] <ioria> willdeberry, uname -r
[20:44] <Smaug> if a Lenovo device is certified to work with 18.04, can we expect it to work with 20.04 as well?
[20:44] <willdeberry> latest HWE for 16.04 4.15.0-91-generic
[20:44] <oerheks> willdeberry, maybe ths is your fix; sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists --- https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PackageManagerTroubleshootingProcedure
[20:45] <ioria> willdeberry, also that ^
[20:46] <oerheks> you might want to check if your drive is healthy
[20:47] <willdeberry> no ata errors in dmesg. don't have smart utils installed to run that and can't install due to this bug :P
[20:47] <willdeberry> removed the lists, still no go
[20:48] <ioria> willdeberry,  sudo apt update && sudo apt-full upgrade
[20:49] <pragmaticenigma> Smaug: I have not heard of a device losing certifications after new releases. Typically hardware support improves for a device with later releases.
[20:51] <willdeberry> ioria: that runs fine but ultimately i am trying to run sudo apt install --reinstall nvidia-340 which fails due to dpkg: error: info database format (2) is bogus or too new; try getting a newer dpkg
[20:51] <Smaug> pragmaticenigma: thanks
[20:53] <oerheks>  sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/format && sudo printf "1\n" > /var/lib/dpkg/info/format  >>> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/329983/dpkg-format-file-is-corrupt
[20:54] <willdeberry> oerheks: i know this will fix it, but it comes back
[20:55] <oerheks> i think you have bad blocks .. boot a live iso, fsck.ext4 -p /dev/sdXY https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilesystemTroubleshooting
[20:55] <p0a> pragmaticenigma, genii: thank you
[20:55] <willdeberry> in the current broken state, my format file has a 1 in it and via hexdump is exactly the same as a good format file
[20:55] <willdeberry> oerheks: definitely possible. these machines are running 24/7
[20:55] <willdeberry> just odd to see it across 3 machines within 2 days
[20:56] <oerheks> *that*  is curious
[20:56] <willdeberry> exactly. which is why i started googling and then found my way here
[20:57] <willdeberry> we have these machines setup to do a fsck every boot so i will reboot one of them and see if that helps at all
[20:58] <willdeberry> bug ticket: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1867990
[20:58] <celphi> found out what happened. it was a hack
[21:00] <pragmaticenigma> celphi: If you are not running Ubuntu on that machine, please use the appropriate support channel for your distribution of choice. Only official Ubuntu flavors are supported here. I see you're already in the #centos channel. Please follow up in there. Thanks.
[21:00] <celphi> I am running Ubuntu on my machine
[21:00] <celphi> but i ssh into a Centos machine
[21:01] <pragmaticenigma> celphi: Where did the problem exist exactly? on your local machine or the remote one?
[21:01] <celphi> It's not just a distro problem.
[21:01] <celphi> If you don't care for your community to know that's fine.
[21:02] <JimBuntu> celphi: This isn't the place to make community announcements about such things. Thank you though.
[21:03] <pragmaticenigma> celphi: The distro does matter. You were trying to troubleshoot a CentOS machine in a forum dedicated to Ubuntu. The archtectures of the two operating systems are very different and things do not easily cross over between the two. The volunteers here assume you're on Ubuntu and would be giving you advice as such.
[21:03] <celphi> Dude read the article:
[21:03] <celphi> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1161003/strange-cron-job-takes-up-100-of-cpu-ubuntu-18-lts-server
[21:03] <celphi> It happens in Ubuntu too.
[21:04] <p0a> Okay so you got hacked, and all bets are off
[21:04] <p0a> There's not much else to say
[21:04] <oerheks> celphi, so it is a bitcoin mine issue of your <whatever> linux? .firefoxcatche
[21:05] <Hamilton> shall I use apt or snap to install my day to day softwares like VLC, clementine,...
[21:05] <Mathisen> apt
[21:05] <oerheks> good luck with that, do not abuse our volunteers, thanks
[21:05] <pragmaticenigma> Hamilton: that is a personal choice that only you can answer. this is a support channel. for recommendations, please ask in #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:06] <akem> apt ftw ;)
[21:16] <stan_man_can> hey, I have 4 hard drives in my computer, boot and 3 storage, i need to swap out the boot drive though, whats the best way to do it? it's currently on a 2 40GB SSD and I want to put it on a 120GB SSD
[21:16] <stan_man_can>  /dev/sda2       228G   15G  202G   7% /
[21:17] <pragmaticenigma> stan_man_can: dd image the old drive to the new drive, then expand the partition... note this is very difficult if any of those are LVM
[21:17] <stan_man_can> https://kopy.io/6GPPC
[21:18] <stan_man_can> pragmaticenigma nah i stayed away from LVM becuase it's too confusing
[21:18] <stan_man_can> pragmaticenigma but just to clarify, i want to replace it with a -smaller- drive
[21:18] <stan_man_can> but i'm only using 15 / 228GB as you can see in the pastbein
[21:18] <pragmaticenigma> oh... if you are able to shrink the source drive partition first, you might be able to
[21:18] <pragmaticenigma> I have always gone up in size... never tried to go done
[21:18] <pragmaticenigma> *down
[21:20] <stan_man_can> i have no gui it's just a server install
[21:20] <stan_man_can> ugh
[21:21] <pragmaticenigma> stan_man_can: I'd be doing it from a live disk anyways... there you can use the gui
[21:24] <p0a> I tried to follow virtualbox.org's instructions. At the end it wants me to run apt. Here's what I get: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hfMzX65NkH/ it's some sort of error.
[21:24] <p0a> It looks FUBAR
[21:25] <sarnold> depmod: ERROR: failed to load symbols from /lib/modules/5.3.0-42-generic/kernel/drivers/net/appletalk/ltpc.ko: Input/output error
[21:25] <sarnold> check dmesg
[21:25] <p0a> how do you do that?
[21:25] <sarnold> that looks a lot like "your hard drive is failing" kind of message
[21:25] <sarnold> type dmesg
[21:25] <p0a> :(
[21:25] <p0a> noooo not now
[21:27] <oerheks> Setting up virtualbox-dkms (6.0.14-dfsg-1) ... with virtualbox 6.1 ???
[21:27] <p0a> sarnold: check for what? lots of red error messages
[21:27] <oerheks> interesting..
[21:27] <sarnold> p0a: uhoh; can you pastebin the last 20 or 30 lines or so?
[21:27] <p0a> oerheks: I tried to install virtualbox 6; then it failed. I tried to uninstall; it failed. Then I tried to follow the instructions for 6.1
[21:27] <oerheks> yes, i read you downloaded the .deb from virtualbox itself..
[21:28] <p0a> here's dmesg|tail -n 40 https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nttfX47vGP/
[21:28] <oerheks> they do not provide the dkms, ?
[21:28] <p0a> oerheks: I am just telling you what the order of things I did was, I am not sure though about your question
[21:29] <sarnold> p0a: this is probably a dying drive. it might be bad cables or bad power supply or similar but it would be best to copy off anything that hasn't been backed up recently and replace it
[21:30] <p0a> sarnold: any chance you're wrong? :(
[21:30] <p0a> well we're not taking any chances, darn it, my hd is dying
[21:31] <p0a> how long do I have? like a day/week or something?
[21:33] <p0a> sarnold: can I set up an operating system in a USB? Will I be able to operate my laptop from there?
[21:33] <p0a> looking for ways to avoid buying a computer
[21:33] <sarnold> p0a: it might never get worse than this, or future writes may wreck something important
[21:33] <sarnold> p0a: the ubuntu installer images are also 'live' images, but normally good only for short occasional uses
[21:33] <sarnold> p0a: probably just need a new drive
[21:34] <p0a> I dont' know how to put a new drive in a laptop
[21:34] <Ben64> it's pretty easy usually, ##hardware for more on that
[21:35] <p0a> thanks Ben64
[21:36] <sarnold> it depends on the laptop and the drive and so on; I've done it in three or four minutes on a previous thinkpad, and broke an old ibook badly enough that it was just time to buy a new laptop instead
[21:37] <akem> Yeah, some laptops have easy access, but some others are all clipsed and it's more complicated.
[21:39] <sarnold> or *glued*
[21:39] <akem> :/
[21:56] <antranigv> hi all! how can I use iptables-save in Ubuntu 19.10? all I want is to do iptables-save now so the system would do iptables-restore during boot. :) thanks!
[22:29] <stan_man_can> Okay new plan
[22:29] <stan_man_can> I have 4 hard drives, one is / and one is /scratch, but scratch is pretty empty all the time, how can I move / to /scratch and combine the two?
[22:34] <rfm> antranigv, what problem do you have?  iptables-save is in the iptables-persistent package which may not be installed...
[22:40] <Nomenclatura> great... you also disable bitmap fonts
[22:40] <Nomenclatura> way to go
[22:42] <backnforth> Hi, how do I change the directory that Snap saves to?
[22:43] <stan_man_can> How can I shrink a partition and move it to a new drive?
[22:44] <johnsmith92> Hello! I have a 600mbps symmetric connection and my ubuntu 18.04 computer gets 500mbps download speed but 4mbps upload speed
[22:44] <johnsmith92> I have another computer next to it and exchanging ethernet cables does not solve the issue
[22:44] <johnsmith92> (the other computers gets 500/500)
[22:44] <johnsmith92> any idea?
[22:59] <p0a> Can I have my ubuntu run on my USB?
[22:59] <p0a> together with my filesystem there
[23:21] <pragmaticenigma> p0a, you can ... however, it's not recommended to do that for an extended period. USB drives are designed for long term storage. Not the input/output throughput an Operating system requires to be functional.
[23:21] <p0a> pragmaticenigma: how about a few months?
[23:22] <Aleric> Where can I download kernel 4.11 ?
[23:23] <fd2> hi all. i tried to install WINE from store, but it's fail: 'Unable to install Wine: The following packages have unmet dependencies'
[23:23] <fd2> pls help to install WINE (it's updeted to 5.0! )
[23:25] <fd2> on that system i don't install wine at all. but, for some reason it's installed. i am not sure why. i have installed steam with steam-proton (it's build-in wine version), may be it's proton?
[23:25] <pragmaticenigma> p0a, USB is not designed for that purpose, no matter the length. The live installer is built specifically for the purposes of read only such that the data from the drive only travels one way. Again, nothing stopping you from doing it, however, your USB drive is unlikely to survive three months
[23:26] <pragmaticenigma> !patience | fd2
[23:26] <p0a> pragmaticenigma:  thank you
[23:26] <alfatau> hello everybody. I've a 16.04 ubuntu laptop. Last reboot I had a bad surprise: gnome shell started to apparently no longer handling mouse focus. In other words, clicks on window title bars (e.g. on the X to close them) or clicks on top bar (i.e. clock/calendar, logout menu, activities) are not handled; it's not possible to resize/move a window and
[23:26] <alfatau> so on...
[23:27] <alfatau> can you help me to solve this problem?
[23:27] <p0a> alfatau: 16.04 is old, you could update
[23:28] <alfatau> p0a: I'd like to keep this version, if possible.
[23:29] <pragmaticenigma> !patience | alfatau
[23:29] <p0a> alfatau: what did you do before that last reboot?
[23:30] <pragmaticenigma> alfatau, Suggestion is to create a new user and attempt to login with that account. See if the problem persists there
[23:30] <alfatau> p0a: I was writing some documents, as usual...
[23:31] <p0a> if it does -- you can try installing XFCE (it's like gnome) and see if that works
[23:31] <p0a> what pragmatic suggests is that it might be a setting; a new user will not be affected
[23:37] <alfatau> pragmaticenigma: sorry for delay... not so simple to obtain mouse focus on area where I can write my message. The same happens with other 2 different users
[23:37] <alfatau> pragmaticenigma: I'm trying to create a new one from scratch
[23:40] <stan_man_can> OKay I have a 240GB HD that has /boot and / on it, and i've shrunk the / parition down to 80GB, how do I migrate these partitions to a new drive now>?
[23:41] <oerheks> stan_man_can, dd the partitions, and edit grub with the new UUID
[23:41] <oerheks> or just reinstall grub, see manual
[23:41] <oerheks> !grub
[23:42] <fd2> pragmaticenigma, i did't spam. i have asked only once
[23:42] <stan_man_can> oerheks do I need to create the paritions first?
[23:42] <stan_man_can> or does DD handle that?
[23:42] <oerheks> stan_man_can, no, dd does this on an empty disk
[23:42] <fd2> pragmaticenigma, or maybe you send me to web?
[23:42] <stan_man_can> oerheks can I dd the whole drive or individual partitions?
[23:42] <oerheks> diskdupe, byte by byte
[23:43] <oerheks> stan_man_can, both can be done, all of it, or just those you select
[23:43] <stan_man_can> oerheks is there a good tutorial to find or is it just a single command? i keep finding a bunch of conflicting stuff online
[23:43] <oerheks> !clone
[23:43] <oerheks> oh no, wrong one
[23:44] <oerheks> dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb # does the whole disk, but target must be equal or larger
[23:45] <stan_man_can> oerheks target is smaller
[23:46] <stan_man_can> but i made the partition on the drive small enough to fit on the target
[23:46] <oerheks> oke, but you said you shrink it to 80 ?
[23:46] <stan_man_can> yeah
[23:46] <stan_man_can> parition on the source small enough to fit on target*
[23:46] <alfatau> pragmaticenigma: some behaviour using a "new" user.
[23:46] <oerheks> then you are fine, i guess
[23:48] <stan_man_can> oerheks thanks
[23:48] <p0a> thank you all for your help
[23:49] <stan_man_can> oerheks it's running right now, probably will take a bit, while i'm waiting, how do you edit grub? how do I know what drive it's installed on?
[23:52] <johnsmith92> I have a very slow upload speed in my system (ubuntu 18.04), about 4mbps (it should be around 500mbps). i tried the same ethernet cable in other computer and it works as expected, any ideas?
[23:52] <oerheks> see the restore grub factoid? posted earlier
[23:53] <johnsmith92> download speed works as expected though
[23:54] <stan_man_can> oerheks oh thanks
[23:54] <stan_man_can> so sudo-grubinstall /dev/sdb
[23:54] <stan_man_can> sudo grub-install /dev/sdb
[23:54] <stan_man_can> if of=/dev/sdb
[23:54] <oerheks> :-)
[23:55] <stan_man_can> too late now but i should have added status=progress in my dd
[23:55] <oerheks> then make sure, your bios is set to boot from sdb
[23:55] <oerheks> if you get a prompt after dd command, type 'sync' to be sure cache is flushed
[23:55] <stan_man_can> kk
[23:56] <stan_man_can> i'm doing this from a live usb if it makes a difference
[23:56] <oerheks> that is fine


[09:11] <thorwil> newz20001: hi! do you know if the banner code works on myspace?
[09:12] <thorwil> if it does, this person here probably mixes up javascript and java http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2008/10/03/ubuntu-810-countdown/#comment-1536
[12:57] <qense> hello


[01:33] <spiritech> hi
[01:34] <spiritech> if i am running compiz, metacity and cairo-dock is there any need for me to have gnome or unity desktop installed?
[01:40] <spiritech> ??
[01:42] <spiritech> do i even need metacity and compiz installed together?
[01:43] <spiritech> or can i just have compiz installed?
[01:46] <spiritech> well i am removing metacity and rebooting to find out. so fingers crossed.
[01:54] <spiritech> i have removed metacity and rebooted, all is still well. :)
[04:46] <czajkowski> AlanBell: ping
[05:40] <mattt> morning
[05:49] <AlanBell> czajkowski: hi
[06:35] <popey> morning
[06:43] <AlanBell> morning
[06:43] <AlanBell> see you shortly popey
[06:43] <czajkowski> AlanBell: you at the aiprort?
[06:43]  * czajkowski is sitting in the ounge having a bacon roll
[06:43] <AlanBell> 7czheading out now
[06:43] <AlanBell> nom
[06:44] <czajkowski> coolio
[06:45] <czajkowski> I start bording at 9:30
[06:45] <czajkowski> am on the upper deck on the virgin flight :D
[06:52] <popey> someone else went on the top deck and got seasick
[06:53] <czajkowski> really?
[06:53] <czajkowski> hmm fingers crossed so
[06:56] <dogmatic69> why does updates no longer require pw?
[06:57] <dogmatic69> second time now that I have not had to enter a pw to update
[06:57] <sagaci> it's likely that you recently entered your password
[06:57] <sagaci> thus it's not nagging you again
[06:59] <dogmatic69> no, just started up
[06:59] <dogmatic69> besides say a month back, even if I just entered it updates always required a pw
[07:00] <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ#Update_Manager_doesn.27t_prompt_for_security_updates
[07:01] <dogmatic69> just found http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1973069
[07:01] <dogmatic69> its only for installing now
[07:15] <popey> and so to bed
[07:16] <dogmatic69> anyone used gimp 2.8 on 12.04?
[07:19] <gord> oh oh, i have
[07:24] <dogmatic69> I just installed it
[07:24] <dogmatic69> the splash screen is nice. no single window :/
[07:24] <dogmatic69> I am dissapoint
[07:38] <dogmatic69> found the option \o/
[07:39] <gord> single window should be default really
[07:40] <dogmatic69> ye, I think they dont do that as people are used to the old way
[07:46]  * AlanBell is in the airport
[07:46] <AlanBell> playing where's wally looking for czajkowski
[07:47] <SuperEngineer> dogmatic69: [from the release notes] GIMP 2.8 introduces an optional single-window mode. You can toggle between the default multi-window mode and the new single-window mode through the Single-window mode checkbox in the Windows menu.
[07:49] <czajkowski> AlanBell: boo
[07:49] <czajkowski> AlanBell: where are you now?
[07:49] <czajkowski> AlanBell: am gonna head to boots in 5 mins as need to get some stuff
[07:53] <AlanBell> czajkowski I was in dixons not buying stuff, I will try to find boots
[07:54] <czajkowski> ok
[07:56] <gord> AlanBell, czajkowski bring treats for gord! flumps!
[07:57] <AlanBell> if you make.hud work with orca :)
[07:58] <AlanBell> leverage is hreat
[08:01] <AlanBell> can't find boots. you are in T5 czajkowski?
[08:06] <tsimpson> an airport without a boots? such a thing can't exist!
[08:10] <AlanBell> I found boots, but czajkowski.is in T3!
[08:11] <tsimpson> at least you can both smell nice when you finally meet up
[08:25] <AlanBell> quit fragrant
[08:31] <MartijnVdS> flagrant?
[10:00] <jacobw> good morning
[12:05] <bigcalm> Good afternoon peeps :)
[12:06] <MartijnVdS> \o
[12:07] <bigcalm> Hi MartijnVdS
[12:08] <bigcalm> How does one upgrade a 10.04 server to 12.04?
[12:08] <MartijnVdS> do-release-upgrade
[12:08] <bigcalm> Ta
[12:09] <bigcalm> iain@banana:~$ sudo do-release-upgrade
[12:09] <bigcalm> Checking for a new ubuntu release
[12:09] <bigcalm> No new release found
[12:09] <bigcalm> :S
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> which mirror are you using?
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> you may need to enable the 'updates' repository first as well
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> so you get post-release updates (non-security)
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> but I don't know that for sure
[12:12] <bigcalm> This is on my Bytemark VM. I thought they used their own mirrors, but sources.list seems to point at us.archive.ubuntu.com
[12:12] <brobostigon> i think there are more parameters, like -r
[12:12] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: I have 12.04 on mine :)
[12:21] <jacobw> they definately use their own mirrors
[12:26] <bigcalm> I can upgrade 10.04->10.10->11.04->11.10->12.04 by setting the Prompt in release-upgrades to normal
[12:26] <bigcalm> But leaving it set to lts gives me nothing :(
[12:27] <hamitron> is there a rush to upgrade a server?
[12:27] <hamitron> 3 years left
[12:27] <hamitron> :)
[12:28] <bigcalm> That's not helpful
[12:28] <hamitron> yeh :/
[12:32] <brobostigon> reckon my eeepc, will be able to boot off a usb dvd drive ?
[12:32] <bigcalm> Yes
[12:32] <brobostigon> :) yay
[12:45] <bigcalm> Ah, it's a known thingy
[12:46] <bigcalm> Will be able to do it with 12.04.1
[12:46]  * bigcalm waits until July then
[13:05] <azmodie> clear
[13:29] <bigcalm> Maybe it's time to attempt a 12.04 upgrade on my work station
[13:29] <bigcalm> It's that or get work done
[13:31] <penguin42> and we can't have that
[13:32] <bigcalm> It is Saturday
[13:32] <bigcalm> But I have so much to do (always so much to do)
[13:33] <bigcalm> Now chatting via my irssi proxy (rather than xchat) and I feel as though I'm back in 1997
[13:36]  * bigcalm notes that there isn't much chatting to be had
[13:58] <jacobw> i like irssi
[13:59]  * hamitron hates IRC.... seems to be a too gooda distraction
[14:00] <bigcalm> hamitron: if you don't like IRC, why are you using it?
[14:00] <hamitron> because it is good
[14:00] <hamitron> ;)
[14:01]  * bigcalm tuts at your confusion
[14:02] <hamitron> you've never talked on IRC instead of getting on with work that should be done?
[14:02] <hamitron> ;D
[14:03] <bigcalm> Everyday :)
[14:03] <bigcalm> Which is why some days I don't open xchat
[14:03] <hamitron> that is probably a good idea
[14:26] <bigcalm> Yay 12.04
[15:41] <popey> morning
[15:44] <SuperEngineer> popey: you'll have to talk louder - it appears nobody can hear you from there ;)
[15:44] <SuperEngineer> o/
[15:47] <popey> :þ
[16:06] <bigcalm> popey: HELLO!
[16:06] <popey> yo
[16:06] <bigcalm> What's new?
[16:09] <popey> breakfast was new
[16:09] <popey> until I ate it
[16:10] <bigcalm> Nandos and Avengers Assemble soon :D
[18:27] <simon__> Hi, I really need some help enlarging the pointer size on 12.04, I have followed this http://askubuntu.com/questions/126491/how-do-i-change-the-cursor-and-its-size and created a .Xresources but it wont work. It's an upgrade for a partially sighted person and this is a real show stopper... help?
[18:29] <MartijnVdS> simon__: did you do the update-alternatives thing/
[18:29] <MartijnVdS> simon__: then log out and back in again?
[18:30] <MartijnVdS> also, dconf-editor + logout/back in
[18:30] <DJones> simon__: This may well help http://askubuntu.com/questions/126491/how-do-i-change-the-cursor-and-its-size
[18:30] <MartijnVdS> DJones: he said he followed it
[18:30] <DJones> Ah yes, my eyes scrolled past that :)
[18:30] <simon__> yeah, thanks but it doesn't work
[18:31] <simon__> i have been so full of praise for ubuntu but this is really frustrating, it should be such a simple thing
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> can you make sure both settings are done?
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> also.. .Xresources? That's _old_
[18:32] <simon__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yxfa2fXJ1Wc
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> that guy doesn't know what he's talking about
[18:33] <simon__> ^ that vid says you need to use .Xresources too
[18:33] <simon__> oh right
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> ah
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> nvidia?
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> can you put the output of the "update-alternatives" command on pastebin?
[18:34] <simon__> sure
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> Also, tell us what's in the "cursor-size" and cursor-theme dconf settings?
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> (capitalization is important)
[18:36] <daftykins> that's pretty shocking that it's not just in GUI settings
[18:36] <simon__> http://pastebin.com/GA1x0bLc
[18:36] <simon__> ^ there's my update-alternatives
[18:36] <MartijnVdS> simon__: did the cursor colour change to black?
[18:36] <MartijnVdS> simon__: after logging out and back in?
[18:36] <simon__> yes
[18:36] <MartijnVdS> OK so that bit works
[18:37] <MartijnVdS> and the dconf keys?
[18:37] <simon__> then I loaded dconf Editor and go 'org.gnome.desktop.interface'
[18:38] <simon__> cursor-size 64
[18:38] <simon__> and cursor-theme DMZ-Black
[18:39] <simon__> one of them is working because when I load firefox the cursor suddenly gets bigger
[18:39] <MartijnVdS> sounds like a bug to me
[18:39] <simon__> I think that's the dconf
[18:39] <daftykins> was there a fix for that blue colours in videos online thing?
[18:39] <daftykins> or was it just nvidia drivers
[18:39] <daftykins> someone asking in #ubuntu
[18:40] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: that's just nvidia being poo (as always)
[18:40] <daftykins> i'll bet it's more OSS changing things and them being expected to catch up ;D
[18:40] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: they don't even do xrandr yet!
[18:41] <daftykins> only time i've used that is to rotate a screen :>
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: sure the tool.. but the "multiple displays" bit also uses that
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> "2 desktop monitors", "laptop at a conference/presentation"
[18:42] <daftykins> tool?
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> command-line tool
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> xrandr
[18:42] <daftykins> oh as in you're saying what i already knew, that i used it directly rather than that nvidia haven't caught up to make their GUI tools make use of it?
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> but the extension is also used by the graphical "set up monitors/resolution" bit
[18:43] <daftykins> yarr
[18:43] <simon__> ok I'm going to try a few changes and reboot etc. see if some combination of cursor will work, thanks for the help
[18:43] <daftykins> oh wells
[18:44] <MartijnVdS> simon__: if you can't get it to work, please file a bug
[18:44] <simon__> I will, that's 3 serious bugs for accessibility to report, two of which were fine in 11.04!
[18:44] <MartijnVdS> :(
[18:45] <simon__> (the menu on the far right with all the shut down options etc. disappears if you use high contrast)
[18:45] <spiritech> hi
[18:46] <spiritech> can anyone tell me the best options for running compiz and cairo dock?
[19:03] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Oakland Ubuntu Folks: Severed Fifth Playing Tonight - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/05/05/oakland-ubuntu-folks-severed-fifth-playing-tonight/
[20:04] <MooDoo> hello all
[20:05] <jacobw> hi
[21:05] <martii> :)
[21:05] <martii> hi
[21:12] <yothsoggoth> hello
[21:16] <martii> :) is any of you having amd a4 based laptop?
[21:16] <martii> I just installed Precise and my HP 4535s seems to be much too noisy
[21:44] <mattt> evening
[22:00] <jacobw> evenage
[22:44] <czajkowski> gord: I've tea bags and digestives
[22:45] <penguin42> chocolate digestives?
[22:47] <czajkowski> no plain of course for dunking
[22:52] <penguin42> czajkowski: I'll admit to being neither a tea drinker or dunker; but wouldn't a thin slightly plasticy layer on your digestive allow you to dunk for longer without the biscuit falling to bits?
[22:56] <czajkowski> nope
[22:56] <czajkowski> heavier
[22:56] <czajkowski> dunks and falls in
[22:58] <penguin42> hmm
[22:58]  * penguin42 suspects that depends on the temperature of your tea
[23:02]  * yothsoggoth thinks that it's all about practice; timing is everything with biscuit dunking!
[23:04]  * hamitron likes to dunk chocolate digestives
[23:07] <yothsoggoth> seems pretty quiet on here tonight
[23:09] <czajkowski> lots of folks asleep or travellingor in the usa
[23:10] <yothsoggoth> good point, I didn't realise the time!
[23:44] <AlanBell> hi all
[23:44] <AlanBell> gosh is that the time!
[23:51] <penguin42> AlanBell: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-16638217  not this Alan Bell?
[23:51] <AlanBell> an imposter!
[23:54] <penguin42> AlanBell: Well, you could go and do some timing....
[23:56] <AlanBell> I might end up doing something
[23:56] <AlanBell> they have interviewed me but not assigned any task yet
[23:56] <AlanBell> I might get a few jobs driving a BMW around London or something
[23:56] <penguin42> we'll know it's you if the 100m is won in 13.37 seconds