[00:21] <cthulchu|> hey folks, have you encountered an issue when mouse clicks stop working in KDE/Cinnamon?
[00:21] <cthulchu|> cursor moves, but clicks don't work
[00:24] <Bashing-om> cthulchu|: No, I have not seen, but does 'xev' see the mouse clicks ?
[00:25] <sarnold> heh :(
[00:45] <octav1a> RonWhoCaresHP520, ... what?
[00:54] <RonWhoCaresHP520> octav1a: I have it installed.  But I can't get the printer to print a label
[01:22] <tripelb> I waited too long to see my answer and the backscroll isn't that long. Sigh. I apologize. I wish I got notifications on my computer hexchat.. That would take me back to the right place in the back scroll.  but I don't Get any.
[01:27] <sarnold> tripelb: your connection also looks pretty unreliable; it might be worth fixing both problems at once and run weechat or irssi in a tmux or screen session on a vps somewhere, that can always be connected, and have thousands of lines of scrollback
[01:29] <_jak> Hola! I tried to glob in an ffmpeg command, but the error I keep getting seems to suggest that the ffmpeg from the repos might not support it? I'm wondering how I might find that out
[01:29] <tripelb> It's my home internet. I have 30 MB for $23 a month. I have a phone a computer and a Chromecast connected. They say that's the reason because that's overloading it even though I'm only using one device at a time.
[01:29] <tripelb> I'll look into what you said sarnold
[01:29] <Bashing-om> tripelb: ^^ too depending on how far back - the channels are logged: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ .
[01:29] <_jak> "that" being whether or not the ffmpeg in the apt repos actually supports globbing
[01:30] <sarnold> _jak: almost no program supports globbing -- that's almost always implemented in the shell, instead
[01:30] <sarnold> _jak: eg when you type "ls *" ls only sees a * if there are no entries in the directory
[01:30] <_jak> (here globbing is doing a command like `ffmpeg -i '%03d.png' -o foo.mkv`
[01:30] <tripelb> I have not been able to find a reasonable phone irc client. Andchat was the best But it had the serious fl aw of continually moving you to t
[01:31] <tripelb> tripelbo present time.
[01:31] <tripelb> .. moving you to present time
[01:31] <cthulchu> hey folks. I tried linux mint and it's not as good as Ubuntu. I want to switch back to using Ubuntu here. Is there a safe way to switch without having to wipe it all?
[01:31] <_jak> sarnold: ffmpeg is one of the few that does explicitly, e.g. when you glob you have to escape so the shell doesn't catch it
[01:31] <_jak> I should have made that more clear
[01:32] <sarnold> tripelb: I hear The Lounge isn't terrible, it might render okay in a phone browser
[01:32] <sarnold> _jak: hmm I didn't see anything in the ffmpeg manpage that describes any kind of globbing interface to -i
[01:34] <guiverc> cthulchu, I've installed using *something-else*, using existing partitions and no format and not had issues.. It's not perfect and can leave some mint crap behind.. same way you skip releases on ubuntu, or upgrade via re-install  (backup first of course)  success will vary on release you're going from & to like normal
[01:36] <cthulchu> ok, I'm gonna do the clean install then
[01:37] <`ajven> There is any solution to rebind razer trinity button? its 12 extra keys mouse
[01:38] <_jak> sarnold: wait, really? I'm on 20.04LTS and in my manpage it says that when using an image sequence as input to -i, you can use globbing
[01:39] <sarnold> _jak: aha! I missed that.
[01:39] <sarnold> _jak: it says you need to use -pattern-type glob on the command line
[01:41] <sarnold> `ajven: hmm, this suggests it might not be well-supported https://github.com/libratbag/libratbag/issues/27#issuecomment-145463427
[01:44] <`ajven> thank so no real permanent solution :(
[01:45] <sarnold> well, I can't promise that, but I'd heard other people have good results with this library. if they don't support it, I'm not sure what the second choice is, if there is one
[01:51] <_jak> sarnold: yeah, my issue is that when I have the command theoretically correctly typed out, there's an error where it says "can't find file '%04d.png' or whathaveyou
[01:51] <_jak> I have a macos machine where I know this command will probably work, but I'd like to avoid transferring the tens of thousands of frames to it
[01:52] <sarnold> _jak: if it is using shell globs, then it would require something more like '[0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9].png' if I've guessed the meaning correctly
[01:53] <sarnold> (I have no idea if ffmpeg actually uses this style, either, but it is something bash can work with..)
[01:53] <sarnold> if that doesn't work, then try '????.png'
[02:03] <_jak> sarnold: that didn't work, so I'm going to just bite the bullet and either transfer these or compile ffmpeg myself. Thanks for helping though!
[03:33] <Conradish006> Is there a way to boot into multiple OS's on the same motherboard?
[03:34] <mason> Conradish006: Several ways.
[03:34] <mason> Conradish006: Some concurrently.
[03:34] <Conradish006> I SSH'd into my server today, and ran the sudo lshw -short command.
[03:34] <Conradish006> I'll attach what I found
[03:36] <Conradish006> https://1drv.ms/u/s!AgSAao8Auv_pkVPjcYa-QNWXjru0
[03:37] <Conradish006> I know it was a shared server
[03:37] <Conradish006> It has it's own SSD
[03:38] <Conradish006> So, is it possible to boot into several drives on the same motherboard and portion out a certain amount of RAM per OS/boot volume?
[03:40] <Bashing-om> Conradish006: Show the channel ' sudo parted -l ' .
[03:41] <mason> Conradish006: Ah, that sounds more IBM mainframish. I think the best you'll do nowadays is heavyweight virtualization. Xen might be the closest to what you're describing.
[03:44] <Conradish006> Bashing-om: That command will not run
[03:44] <Conradish006> It simply says "command not found"
[03:45] <mason> Conradish006: How about lspci?
[03:46] <Bashing-om> Conradish006: Hummm -- what are you running as my result: https://termbin.com/i7vs .
[03:46] <Conradish006> Not sure what you mean, I'm still a noob to the sudo command line.
[03:46] <mason> Conradish006: sudo lspci
[03:46] <Conradish006> Ah sorry
[03:47] <mason> Conradish006: It should show you emulated stuff if it's a VM.
[03:47] <mason> Conradish006: dmesg will also have some hints
[03:49] <Conradish006> https://1drv.ms/u/s!AgSAao8Auv_pkVSR_BSMnjlB3m4C
[03:53] <mason> Conradish006: Maybe "sudo dmesg | grep Hypervisor" will tell you what kind of hypervisor that is.
[03:54] <mason> Or rather, is on.
[03:54] <Conradish006> I did dmesg
[03:54] <Conradish006> It filled my terminal with stuff waaaay more advanced than my level
[03:54] <mason> Conradish006: Hence the grep, which will prune it down to the one line we care about.
[03:55] <mason> Don't forget the caps. It's case-sensitive. Or you could say sudo dmesg | grep -i hypervisor
[03:56] <Conradish006> This is what showed up "[    0.000000] Hypervisor detected: KVM"
[03:57] <mason> kk, so that's what you're running on.
[03:57] <mason> Conradish006: https://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Main_Page
[03:57] <mason> And with that, bedtime for me. o/
[03:58] <Conradish006> Thx, pulled it up right as you sent me the link
[03:58] <Conradish006> Thank you for your help
[03:58] <Conradish006> And thank you for being so kind as to help a noob who knows very little
[05:34] <robertparkerx> is python-scgi the scgi_module in apache2
[05:36] <robertparkerx> Oh I've figured out where scgi came from now. rutorrent/rtorrent
[07:33] <wsxws> Hi all. I installed Ubuntu on Win10 (WLS) and figure out how to copy/paste over there. i tried ctlv-v, shift-ctrl-v, shift-insert, ctrl-insert and even rightclick. any suggestions ?
[07:38] <wsxws> nevermind ill delete it and install a real vm
[07:38] <wsxws> cu
[07:48] <eeos> Hi all! I have a difficulty with the management of sound through HDMI in 20.04.1 LTS 64 bit (which worked really well on 18.04 LTS).
[07:48] <eeos> The card is a HDA integrated on a Thinkpad.
[07:49] <eeos> Sending the output to a Marantz and from Marantz to Monitor. If the monitor is swicthed on, then everything works fine (but for the fact that the driver does not recognise the correct refresh frequency)
[07:49] <eeos> If the monitor is off, then I cannot send music to the Marantz through HDMI.
[07:49] <eeos> That never happened in previous LTS version. What changed?
[07:53] <tomreyn> you should discuss what device the "marantz" is (an AV receiver?), how the audio signal is transferred to it from your computer running ubuntu, and how it transfers from there to the monitor.
[07:55] <eeos> tomreyn: it is an AV receiver .... and as I explained ti is transferred through HDMI ....
[07:56] <tomreyn> on both connections?
[07:56] <eeos> tomreyn: both connections?
 Sending the output to a Marantz and from Marantz to Monitor.
[07:56] <eeos> tomreyn: I do not understand the question, sorry
[07:57] <eeos> tomreyn: it is only one connection .... Laptop (HDMI output) > Marantz (HDMI Input)
[07:57] <eeos> tomreyn: I have only one HDMI on the laptop
[07:58] <tomreyn> okay, and from the AV receiver, how does the audi get to the monitor?
[07:58] <tomreyn> *audio
[07:58] <eeos> tomreyn: if the monitor is on, everything works fine .... the issue is when the monitor is off, so there is only the connection  Laptop (HDMI output) > Marantz (HDMI Input)
[07:59] <tomreyn> so the earlier statement i wuoted was incorrect?
[07:59] <tomreyn> *quoted
[08:00] <eeos> tomreyn: if the chain is Thinkpad > Marantz > Monitor, the laptop identify and uses the HDMI correctly
[08:01] <eeos> tomreyn: if the chain is  Laptop (HDMI output) > Marantz (HDMI Input), the laptop not detect the HDMI properly ....
[08:01] <eeos> tomreyn: I have also discovered it does not detect the digital output
[08:04] <tomreyn> maybe the av receiver does not pretend to be a video device if no monitor is connected to it, and the kernels' detection on this has improved since 18.04, so you don't get output there anymore when no monitor is connected to the AV receiver.
[08:04] <eeos> tomreyn: nope, because the receiver is designed to be used as amplifier. Indeed from windows and 18.04 LTS works correctly.
[08:05] <eeos> tomreyn: I would say that the fact it does identify properly the digital output as well means the driver is not working correctly on 20.04.1
[08:05] <eeos> tomreyn: sorry, it does NOT identify properly ....
[08:06] <tomreyn> that's just a theory, though. you can inspect your X logs and see how the detection changes when you have just the av receiver connected vs. when you have the mnonitor wired to the av receiver and ubuntu detects the audio device and plays audio fine.
[08:07] <eeos> tomreyn: done that. A "new" HDMI simply appears in aplay -l ....
[08:08] <tomreyn> you could try sharing some logs (use the ubuntu or debian pastebins, or termbin.com)
[08:09] <eeos> tomreyn: I will, thank you.
[08:12] <eeos> tomreyn: by the way, do you know whether there is an airplay2 implementation for ubuntu? that would temporarily solve the problem ....
[08:15] <tomreyn> i do not know, others may
[08:38] <summonner> didn't they use Alsa in 18 and now PulseAudio in 20?
[08:40] <eeos> summonner: why?
[08:40] <summonner> why what? Why did they use alsa in 18 and pulseaudio in 20? You'd have to ask the Ubuntu team
[08:59] <eeos> summonner: I do not understand the question .... I think you have pulseaudio on top of alsa (it is a guess, since you can use commands such as aplay and alsamixer)
[09:19] <LeMike> hello there. I need some urgent help because "sensors" shows that my fan is at -1 RPM and the system is getting hotter and hotter. What I try to achieve is that the fan runs at full speed.
[09:19] <LeMike> I ran pwmconfig already but it did not create a config file
[09:29] <thyriaen> Hiho, I am using a theme in ~/.themes for my gnome-shell and also an extension with their own .css file, a few weeks ago i edited that file to a different colour value, however probably due to an update the colour changed back - how can i change the value let's say foo.colour{} that it will stick ? Can i just move the variables i want to changes into my .themes/myTheme/gnome-shell/gnome-shell.css file ?
[09:44] <Squarism> Are there any irc clients in active development?
[09:49] <xtao> irssi or weechat are actively developed favourites
[09:52] <Rumen> Hi there, just got strange problem. After restert sound check from the settings wokrs, no one player including Youtube from browser no any sound. Any idea how to fix and what i sthe problem? Never got such one.
[09:53] <Squarism> xtao, I forgot to say non-terminal based. But thanks anyway. =D
[10:40] <frad> im running speedtest-cli, but the computer is behind tor. Is there any command to 'unproxify' it? I tried --no-proxy and --proxy '', but it didn't work
[11:20] <Dynamicfail> How do I install Yarn. I tried apt install yarn but it keeps installing cmdtools instead
[11:20] <Dynamicfail> I tried sudo curl -sS https://dl.yarnpkg.com/debian/pubkey.gpg | sudo apt-key add -
[11:20] <Dynamicfail> however i get gpg: can't connect to the agent: IPC connect call failed
[11:49] <liviuba> Hi, I have a Lenovo ThinkBook 15-IIL and my trackpad isn't working. I'm on kernel 5.8 and it doesn't appear in /proc/bus/input/devices .It's an Elan trackpad and the trackpad itself works (tried on windows). Are there any other approaches I can take, except wait for a new kernel release and hope it's enabled?
[12:39] <tomreyn> Squarism: hexchat's development is rather slow these days, but at least it's still being maintained: https://github.com/hexchat/hexchat/commits/master
[12:53] <croraf> hi, anyone can help me with my mic not working issue.
[12:53] <croraf> the internal mic
[12:53] <tomreyn> LeMike: keep the system powered off for at least 10 minutes (so it can cool down), then: (a) if you have wired networking and get an ip address assigned automatically, boot the system to recovery (see below) and choose the option "network - enable networking", then "root - drop to root shell prompt", then run:    journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999     #; (b) in all other cases, boot up normally, login, start a virtual terminal or switch to a
[12:53] <tomreyn> tty (see below) and run     journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:54] <tomreyn> !recovery | LeMike
[12:54] <tomreyn> !tty | LeMike
[12:54] <tomreyn> !details | croraf
[13:05] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:24] <croraf> tomreyn, im using 20.04 with all latest patches. I tried playing with alsa.config modes but didnt succeed in setting the correct mdoe.
[13:25] <croraf> Please tell me what to do next
[13:28] <tomreyn> !sound | croraf
[13:29] <tomreyn> i'm not good with sound trouble shooting and some of this documentation is outdated, but most should still be useful.
[13:34] <croraf> tomreyn I can narrow down my question. There are several bugs open on Ubuntu issue tracker
[13:35] <croraf> etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf most suggestions suggest to modify this configuration
[13:35] <tomreyn> croraf: you may want to also inspect the systemd journal using the    journalctl -b    command, looking for alsa / pulseaudio (pa) / driver related initialization issues.
[13:36] <croraf> I'm not good with linux
[13:36] <croraf> I would need someone experienced with sound to lead me true
[13:36] <tomreyn> so you're getting stuck reading the documentation provided? where?
[13:38] <croraf> I wanted to know the following. All the resources suggest to modify the config file I referenced.
[13:38] <croraf> Either options snd-hda-intel dmic_detect=0
[13:38] <croraf> or options snd-hda-intel model=auto
[13:40] <croraf> where model is configurable. Now I also read I should find my audio coded used which is ALC 285. And match that in the list of modes. The most recent list I managed to find is https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/sound/hd-audio/models.html
[13:41] <tomreyn> so you have already identified snd-hda-intel to be the correct driver/kernel module to use for your specific hardware?
[13:41] <croraf> Other lists dont have 285, but this one has 28x with several dozens of modes, I don't know which ones I should test. My guess is that some of them might fix.
[13:42] <croraf> tomreyn, I dont know what that means
[13:44] <tomreyn> croraf: there are different audio chipsets, using different codecs.     sudo lspci -knn | nc termbin.com 9999    would post info on your hardware to termbin.com, a pastebin-like site, enabling you to share this output with us.
[13:45] <croraf> tomreyn, https://termbin.com/w08e
[13:45] <croraf> through some commands i already identified my codec to be ALC 285
[13:46] <croraf> cat /proc/asound/card0/codec* | grep Codec       Codec: Realtek ALC285
[13:46] <tomreyn> what about card1?
[13:47] <croraf> Codec: Nvidia GPU 92 HDMI/DP
[13:47] <tomreyn> cat /proc/asound/card1/codec* | grep Codec
[13:47] <westor> question: how can remove that PPA https://pastebin.com/49dPN6tw because it says its not exist ?
[13:48] <tomreyn> so you have two audio chipsets, one will be on the mainboard, that's the     00:1f.3 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Intel Corporation Cannon Lake PCH cAVS [8086:a348] (rev 10)    one. the other is part of the grpahics card, that'ws the    01:00.1 Audio device [0403]: NVIDIA Corporation TU104 HD Audio Controller [10de:10f8] (rev a1)
[13:48] <croraf> tomreyn, yes it looks like
[13:48] <tomreyn> croraf: ^ and both use the snd_hda_intel driver, but different codecs.
[13:49] <croraf> tomreyn, https://termbin.com/u0eb
[13:49] <croraf> this is the output of aplay -l
[13:50] <tomreyn> croraf: the graphics card chipset would be relevant if you're using speakers connected to or internal to your monitor. otherwise, if you have audio output devices connected directly to your computers' audio out (active speakers, headphones etc.) you'll need to focus on the first one ("Cannon Lake PCH cAVS").
[13:52] <croraf> tomreyn, I'm on laptop, but I guess my internal mic is related to my laptops screen?
[13:52] <tomreyn> westor: manually remove the configuration of this apt repository in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ and /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/
[13:52] <westor> tomreyn: what is the command to remove it please ?
[13:53] <tomreyn> croraf: your internal mic will be connected to your mainboard chipset, so the Intel Corp. Cannon Lake PCH cAVS [8086:a348] (rev 10)
[13:53] <tomreyn> westor: you delete files using the 'rm' command - this is not usually reversible, be careful
[13:53] <tomreyn> !terminal | westor
[13:54] <croraf> tomreyn, it is very similar to this one https://support.hp.com/hr-en/document/c06415625
[13:54] <westor> yeah but what is the actual command to remove that PPA
[13:54] <tomreyn> westor: you'll know once you familirized yourself with apt
[13:55] <tomreyn> westor: this is volunteer support, you'll need to spend some time on learning how to do things on your own. we support you in doing that.
[13:55] <westor> but i am not man sorry i am a starter
[13:55] <croraf> So basically the internal mic, the mic connected with the jack plug and the bluetooth mic are all connected to the motherboards intel sound chip?
[13:55] <croraf> tomreyn,
[13:56] <tomreyn> westor: you have not tried to read the documentation i just provided you with, this would have taken you longer.
[13:56] <tomreyn> croraf: most likely, yes
[13:57] <tomreyn> croraf: take it for granted
[13:57] <westor> that documentation describing some of the terminal commands but not the exact that needs to remove that PPA
[13:57] <westor> if it is a pain for the support to help a starter by giving 1 command (easy for him) then ok i can respect that
[13:58] <croraf> yes yes tomreyn . And this chip communicates with the the HDA Intel PCH kernel module, using the ALC285 codec. As per our findings, right?
[13:58] <tomreyn> westor: i've seen you asking questions here before, always insisting in being given the very command to get something done, never trying to make progress on learning things on your own. that's not the approach we like to support here.
[13:59] <tomreyn> westor: it's probably easy for me, but it's also easy enough for you, and if you get stuck while you're actually trying, volunteers here will try to provide better hints.
[14:00] <tomreyn> westor: You can also acquire commercial support from Cannoical Inc.
[14:00] <tomreyn> * Canoical Inc.
[14:00] <westor> you cannot say that if you don't know the background, i am trying to understand each command, i read docs and more, you cannot say that , of course some times that i stuck i feel free to ask here, never had issues about what to ask also i don't force anyone to answer its volunteer , i came here also to ask because i thought that the community here is friendly but ok i got what you are trying to pass out
[14:01] <tomreyn> croraf: that's right
[14:03] <tomreyn> croraf: so the mainboard audo chipset uses the snd_hda_intel (and snd_sof_pci auxiliary) kernel modules ("drivers"). the "modinfo" command can be used to get baic information on a kernel module.
[14:06] <tomreyn> croraf: coming back to the good link you found earlier about the options you can supply to further configure the codec... https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/sound/hd-audio/models.html#alc22x-23x-25x-269-27x-28x-29x-and-vendor-specific-alc3xxx-models ...
[14:07] <tomreyn> have you already tried to just raise the mic's volume using alsamixer?
[14:10] <tomreyn> westor: maybe this is a better documentation to start working with a shell: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommandlineHowto
[14:11] <tamarind> hey guys, i am running ubuntu 18.04 on a dual core system with 4 GB of DDR2 RAM. The problem is when i open more than 6 or 7 tabs in firefox the system freezes. Increasing the hardware is not an option for me right now so will increasing the swap size solve this issue ?
[14:11] <tamarind> If yes, what is the best possible way to achieve it without any data loss ?
[14:11] <tamarind> Need your inputs and help please
[14:13] <tomreyn> tamarind: Ubuntu 18.04 supports using a swap file on the / (root) file system in addition to a separate partition formatted with the swap filesystem.
[14:14] <tomreyn> tamarind: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#How_do_I_add_a_swap_file.3F
[14:14] <tomreyn> tamarind: this can be easier to setup. on the other hand, the dedicated swap partition would likely provide (slightly?) better performance.
[14:16] <tamarind> tomreyn, so i can have the swap partition and a swap file both running in parallel ? no performance issues on that ?
[14:16] <tomreyn> tamarind: note that 4 GB of RAM usable to the OS is just the minimum requirement of Ubuntu 18.04 LTS, and if you have an internal graphics processing unit, this may have locked memory to itself which is not available to the OS at all.
[14:17] <tamarind> tomreyn, what do you think are the best ways to remove unnecessary overhead on the RAM and processor without having to downgrade the OS ?
[14:17] <tamarind> tomreyn, and, thanks for replying to my query in the first place
[14:17] <tomreyn> tamarind: you can use them in parallel. i expect that writesw to and read from the swap *file* will be a little slower than to the swap *partition*
[14:19] <tomreyn> tamarind: your bios may provide options to choose how much of the installed ram will be dedicated to the graphics chipset. it's usally a values between 64 and 512 MB
[14:19] <tomreyn> you'll often see a selection box with three fixed values to choose from
[14:20] <tomreyn> tamarind: but note that reducing this memory may prevent your system from using accelerated graphics ("3D", as needed for playing games, for example) properly.
[14:20] <tamarind> tomreyn, oh
[14:21] <tomreyn> for regular desktop use without gaming, 64 or 128 MB *may* be sufficient.
[14:21] <tamarind> is there a way to reduce all GUi graphics in ubuntu and cut down on all beauty features or something which should give better results ?
[14:22] <tomreyn> tamarind: there are some other ubuntu !flavours which have lower system requirements.
[14:22] <tomreyn> !flavours
[14:22] <tomreyn> i would think xubuntu and mate may have lower requrements.
[14:24] <tomreyn> tamarind: also ensure that you're using the x86_64 Ubuntu variant, so that your system can actually address the full 4 GB of memory.
[14:25] <tomreyn> the    uname -m     command should return    x86_64    and the     dpkg --print-architecture     command should return     amd64
[14:28] <tamarind> tomreyn, yes both the output contains 64
[14:28] <tomreyn> tamarind: this hardware must be really old, though, and you should try to replace it soon, both for a better (user) experience and a for a lower energy footprint.
[14:28] <tomreyn> also, the cpu will likely be out of support.
[14:29] <tamarind> tomreyn, created a 10GB swap file by following the link you gave. also made the swap enabled on bootup using the same tutorial
[14:29] <tamarind> tomreyn, now how do i check if this is actually being used as expected ?
[14:29] <tomreyn> tamarind: cat /proc/swaps
[14:32] <tomreyn> tamarind: als the total swap should have increased as per    free -h
[14:32] <tamarind> tomreyn, how do i upload the output of command line automatically to website (without copy pasting it manually) ?
[14:33] <tomreyn> cat /proc/swaps | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:34] <tamarind> tomreyn, https://termbin.com/n9hd
[14:35] <tamarind> tomreyn, looked up nc and understood that it is used to open any tcp/udp connections, so we opened the connection to termbin via the port 9999 and piped the output to that. Is the understanding correct ?
[14:36] <tomreyn> tamarind: that's right!
[14:38] <tomreyn> tamarind: so you appear to have a total of ~ 11GB swap now. that's more than this system will ever be able to use, but not an issue if you have sufficient disk space available.
[14:38] <tamarind> tomreyn, i understand your comments about the hardware, i still have my Pentium 3, 2.x Ghz machine and looking for a spare to make it run as a second machine for education purposes
[14:39] <tamarind> tomreyn, oh, how do i find the max size the system can handle ?
[14:39] <tomreyn> tamarind: the swapfaq i pointed you to earlier discusses this in a different section: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#How_much_swap_do_I_need.3F
[14:42] <tomreyn> tamarind: in case you're wondering: "hibernation" is swapping the contents of RAM out to disk when shutting down, to be able to save power and start with the applications still opened after powering up again. it's most likely *not* something you want to do on this hardware (or in general nowadays, as there is a better alternative, suspending to ram).
[14:42] <tamarind> tomreyn, thank you. so since i have 4 Gb RAm, should i resize the swap file size to 8 GB so that the 2GB is not wasted on my 250Gb HDD ?
[14:42] <tamarind> tomreyn, but suspending to RAM means i need to have the power switched on right ?
[14:44] <tomreyn> tamarind: whether you'd need a wall plug depends on which power states your hardware / firmware supports, and whether your battery still works well.
[14:47] <tomreyn> tamarind: about the swap file size table i pointed you to above: if you won'T use hibernation when a *total* (as seen on "free -m) of 2048 MB (2 GB) RAM should be sufficient. maybe 3 GB in hopes to keep the system usable with the web browser allocating much RAM.
[14:48] <tamarind> tomreyn, read the article and removed the swap file which i created with 10Gb in efforts to create a new with less size
[14:48] <tamarind> tomreyn, during the process i did the command "gksudo gedit /etc/fstab" as mentioned there
[14:49] <tamarind> and there seems to be no gksudo command. I tried to concatenate the output to termin.com but it failes since the command fails as well
[14:49] <tomreyn> tamarind: ok, so maybe just create one which is 1 to 2 GB so that you'll end up with ~2-3 GB total
[14:50] <tamarind> i guess they meant sudo and not gksudo - but want to confirm before assumiong that
[14:50] <tomreyn> tamarind: instead of    gksudo gedit /etc/fstab    use    gedit admin:///etc/fstab
[14:51] <croraf> tomreyn, sorry i had to leave for some time. I'm back now.
[14:51] <croraf> The input device is not recognized at all
[14:51] <croraf> https://pasteboard.co/JnyDbIc.png
[14:52] <WanTeed> croraf
[14:52] <Lutin> hi guys, can lvm create a degraded mirror ?
[14:52] <croraf> what? WanTeed
[14:52] <tamarind> tomreyn, got it, removed the line and saved
[14:52] <WanTeed> i have my problem with my ssh
[14:52] <WanTeed> can u help me ?
[14:53] <tamarind> tomreyn, about the battery - this is a desktop
[14:53] <croraf> I guess I have to try to configure my alsa-base.conf file with properties "options snd-hda-intel ..." tomreyn
[14:54] <tamarind> tomreyn, about the swap size - suppose if i enable hibernation then i need to have 2x size of the RAM as swap file size - correct ?
[14:54] <WanTeed> can i ask croraf ?
[14:54] <croraf> WanTeed sorry I'm noob in linux
[14:54] <tamarind> tomreyn, actually i would love to use the hibernation since everytime i start the desktop i need to manually open the programs one by one
[14:55] <WanTeed> oky
[14:55] <WanTeed> no problem croraf
[14:55] <WanTeed> anyone a live can help
[14:57] <Belial> so with snap apps, i notice the longish start times on cold boot for applications. will this be improved upon in later versions of snapd and ubuntu or is there a ceiling to how fast applications can start up under snap?
[14:59] <tamarind> tomreyn, https://termbin.com/93am
[15:00] <tomreyn> tamarind: the suggested total swap sizes to use with and without hibernation are listed on the table at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#How_much_swap_do_I_need.3F - it's not exactly 2x physical RAM for hibernation, as you can see. but, again, i don't think you want to use hibernation (in case of your desktop computer it would only make sense if you needed to unplug its wall plug regularly AND you actually had any benefit from
[15:00] <tomreyn> persisting application state - a convenience feature which i don'T think makes any sense on your hardware, since entering the power saving mode and returning from it will take much longer than a normal shutdown + boot)
[15:01] <tomreyn> tamarind: you can install gnome-tweaks and then select which applications should be started automatically.
[15:03] <tomreyn> so you have 8.96 GB total swap now.
[15:04] <tomreyn> croraf: does the "alsamixer" command, run from a terminal, show the input device, though? press F6 to select the right sound card, then use cursor keys to left and right to look for the mic
[15:06] <croraf> tomreyn, https://pasteboard.co/JnyJ2Kw.png
[15:06] <tamarind> tomreyn, got it. thats why you said 2 to 3 GB... i understand. Also the swap that i have created will be a system wide setting and not just for my user right ?
[15:07] <tomreyn> croraf: it may scroll to the left and right when you move using the cursor keys
[15:07] <tomreyn> tamarind: that's correct
[15:08] <tomreyn> !ask | WanTeed
[15:08] <tomreyn> !details | WanTeed
[15:10] <tamarind> tomreyn, gnome-tweaks is awesome, thank you
[15:11] <mason> (This is a crosspost, but I want opinions from here too, as the cacher will be serving all of Devuan, Ubuntu, Raspbian, and Debian.) I know this falls into the category of "survey" but I need to set up an APT caching proxy, and apt-cacher-ng is what I'm seeing. Anything else I should evaluate before I dive in?
[15:11] <tomreyn> Lutin: the lvmraid(7) man page on Ubuntu 18.04 suggests so.
[15:11] <tomreyn> see the "Activating an LV with missing devices" section
[15:12] <Lutin> tomreyn that would be lvcreate --type mirror --mirrors 0 -L 5G --nosync -n data vg-01 ?
[15:13] <tamarind> tomreyn, also the nc termbin command only pastes the succesfull output, how to paste the error output (like command not found) as well
[15:13] <tamarind> ?
[15:13] <WanTeed> Lutin
[15:13] <tomreyn> Lutin: i haven't done it myself, so my guess would be as good as or worse than yours
[15:13] <liviuba> Hi, I'm trying to disable the i2c_hid module, and followed the steps from here https://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting but after I reboot, the module still shows up in lsmod. Is there any other way to do this?
[15:13] <WanTeed> how know your ip adress in linux
[15:14] <mason> liviuba: You could always remove the module, and dpkg-divert it so updates don't replace it.
[15:14] <liviuba> I'm actually trying to get the elan_i2c module to load, as per here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1861610
[15:14] <Lutin> tomreyn yeah I get a strange warning: WARNING: New mirror won't be synchronised. Don't read what you didn't write!
[15:14] <Lutin>   Insufficient suitable allocatable extents for logical volume data: 2560 more required
[15:14] <tomreyn> tamarind: command -v --other-option  2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:15] <WanTeed> Lutin
[15:15] <Lutin> tomreyn now I'm testing this on openwrt as well and the raid1 says it's not in the kernel I made a ticket there... weird
[15:15] <Lutin> WanTeed what is your issue ?
[15:15] <WanTeed> i wanna know my ip adress in my root
[15:15] <tamarind> tomreyn, thank you
[15:16] <tomreyn> tamarind: you're welcome!
[15:16] <WanTeed> i have installed ubuntu version 20
[15:16] <liviuba> @mason, as in, just run `modprobe -r i2c_hid` ?
[15:16] <WanTeed> i am new in linux
[15:16] <mason> liviuba: No, you're already doing that, aren't you? I'm talking about actually moving aside the module file so that it's not there to load.
[15:16] <liviuba> @mason, I thought disabling it means removing it, is there any other way to get rid of the module?
[15:16] <tomreyn> !YY.MM | WanTeed: There is no "Ubuntu 20"
[15:17] <liviuba> mason, oooh ok, I thought about doing that but was scared I'd end up with a non-booting machine, lol. Will reboot and try now
[15:17] <tomreyn> WanTeed: i assume you installed Ubuntu Desktop 20.04 LTS, does this sound right?
[15:17] <tamarind> tomreyn, 2>&1, so this means the second buffer checks for the existence of the 1st buffer which is the command name ?
[15:18] <WanTeed> yess tomreyn
[15:18] <mason> liviuba: It's a bit drastic, but it's also a straight line to what you want.
[15:18] <WanTeed> Ubuntu Desktop 20.04
[15:18] <mason> liviuba: Plus, whenever I suggest something like this, if there's a solid clue of a better way people always eagerly supply it.
[15:18] <WanTeed> so how can know my ip adress
[15:19] <yeats> WanTeed: press the "windows" key and search for network - there will be a gear icon for the connected interfaces - click that and you'll see connection info, including IP
[15:20] <WanTeed> i wanna know how see my ip adress from linux no from windows
[15:20] <WanTeed> hostname -I
[15:20] <WanTeed> Is that ?
[15:21] <yeats> WanTeed: I know it's not Windows - most keyboards have a "windows" key between ctrl and alt
[15:21] <yeats> WanTeed: from the command line, type "ip a"
[15:21] <tomreyn> WanTeed: you mean the ubuntu systems' p address in your local network or the ip address by which it is known to computers on the internet?
[15:21] <tomreyn> p address -> ip address
[15:22] <WanTeed> him give me <IP_ADDRESS>.15
[15:22] <ledeni> croraf: your headphones are mute you need first unmuted headphones and mic level from 0 make high to 32
[15:22] <WanTeed> but i could connect with it via putty
[15:22] <liviuba> the module isn't loaded anymore, thanks. But the trackpad still isn't working :(
[15:22] <tamarind> thank you tomreyn for your time and help
[15:23] <WanTeed> i can login only the same machine serveur
[15:23] <WanTeed> but with other computeur it impossible
[15:24] <WanTeed> this ip address dont work in putty
[15:24] <liviuba> I tried compiling a 5.8 kernel, with some touchscreen drivers removed, which clashed with the elan_i2c module that I needed. This is the kernel I'm booting off of, could this have anything to do with it?
[15:24] <yeats> WanTeed: it's not a valid IP address
[15:24] <WanTeed> so how know the good ip adress
[15:24] <WanTeed> !!!!
[15:24] <WanTeed> this is my problem
[15:25] <yeats> WanTeed: could it be <IP_ADDRESS>? or <IP_ADDRESS>? there are only 4 octets in an IP address
[15:26] <tomreyn> WanTeed: press Alt-F2, type: gnome-control-center network     and press enter
[15:26] <WanTeed> via command ip a  i get that
[15:27] <yeats> WanTeed: also, is this in a virtual machine, like VirtualBox?
[15:27] <WanTeed> yess
[15:27] <WanTeed> yeats
[15:27] <WanTeed> VirtualBox
[15:27] <WanTeed> exacly
[15:27] <tomreyn> !enter | WanTeed
[15:28] <yeats> WanTeed: ok, so you need to go into the virtualbox settings for the machine and change networking from NAT to Bridged
[15:28] <WanTeed> aha wait
[15:28] <yeats> WanTeed: then you may need to do "sudo systemctl restart networking", then it will give you an IP that's on your home network
[15:29] <WanTeed> it oky yeats
[15:29] <WanTeed> i must restart the machine or not ?
[15:29] <WanTeed> i already change it
[15:30] <tomreyn> liviuba: indeed i would recommend against moving module files around on your file system just for the purpose of not loading them. there's module blacklisting and other configuration options for this purpose.
[15:31] <tomreyn> WanTeed: you should not need to reboot, but it also won't do any harm.
[15:31] <yeats> WanTeed: rebooting the virtual machine won't hurt, but may not be necessary
[15:31] <yeats> that^^ :-)
[15:32] <tomreyn> :)
[15:32] <liviuba> @tomreyn I tried disabling the module, but it was still enabled
[15:32] <liviuba> tomreyn: I tried disabling the module, but it was still enabled *
[15:33] <tomreyn> liviuba: "disabling" how?
[15:33] <th34lch3m1st> hi all
[15:33] <WanTeed> oky yeats i am rebooting
[15:35] <liviuba> tomreyn: I tried the steps here https://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting and also added the module to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf (as per the guide here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1861610 )
[15:36] <liviuba> tomreyn: this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1861610 is what I'm actually trying to do, to get my touchpad to work
[15:36] <tomreyn> liviuba: can you sum up the problem again and which ubuntu version you are running, and what you tried so far?
[15:38] <WanTeed> yeats
[15:38] <WanTeed> when i change NAT to Bridged my kaybord is bloked
[15:38] <WanTeed> !!!!!!!!!!
[15:38] <WanTeed> what happend
[15:40] <liviuba> tomreyn: I have a Lenovo ThinkBook 15 IIL and my touchpad isn't working. I'm running ubuntu 20.04 with kernel 5.8.0 (I had to compile it because there were some elan touchscreen drivers that were clashing with elan_i2c somehow, IIRC). I've tried the guide here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1861610/comments/66 and not have moved the i2c_hid module somewhere else, and added elan_i2c in /etc/modules
[15:41] <WanTeed> allo yeats
[15:41] <tomreyn> WanTeed: this may suggest you were already connected to the ubuntu system through a network link, such as through an ssh or vnc connection, not controlling the VM through virtualbox's GUI.
[15:41] <WanTeed> when i change NAT to Bridged my kaybord is bloked
[15:41] <th34lch3m1st> WanTeed mouse works?
[15:41] <WanTeed> yes
[15:41] <WanTeed> th34lch3m1st
[15:42] <th34lch3m1st> WanTeed open system monitor and kill ibus-daemon
[15:43] <th34lch3m1st> see if it works again
[15:43] <tomreyn> liviuba: did you try a pre-compiled ubuntu kernel from the mainline ppa, yet?
[15:43] <tomreyn> !mainline | liviuba
[15:44] <WanTeed> ibus-daemon is not running
[15:45] <th34lch3m1st> WanTeed which ubuntu?
[15:45] <WanTeed> 20.04
[15:46] <liviuba> tomreyn: I think I did, even though now I have only kernel 5.8 and 5.4 in grub when booting. I can try and install a mainline kernel now, just to take things step by step
[15:46] <WanTeed> then th34lch3m1st
[15:46] <th34lch3m1st> WanTeed my system have ibus-daemon running at every start.
[15:47] <WanTeed> i do ps x and i dont see  ibus-daemon
[15:47] <th34lch3m1st> WanTeed then try reboot and see if it's there
[15:47] <liviuba> tomreyn: IIRC when running `cat /proc/bus/input/devices | grep -i track` there was no trackpad, and that's how I decided it wasn't working, but I can try again now
[15:47] <WanTeed> oky th34lch3m1st
[15:47] <liviuba> tomreyn: should I move the kernel i2c_hid kernel module (the one I've moved so that it wouldn't load) back where it was before installing the mailine kernel?
[15:49] <tomreyn> liviuba: the patch which adds the new elan i2c IDs (which the bug report you linked to refers to) was merged to the main linux tree on 2020-07-08 https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/include/linux/input/elan-i2c-ids.h?id=a50ca29523b18baea548bdf5df9b4b923c2bb4f6
[15:50] <WanTeed> not find th34lch3m1st
[15:50] <WanTeed> when i change NAT to Bridged my kaybord is bloked
[15:50] <tomreyn> liviuba: yes, you should move the kernel module back in place
[15:51] <WanTeed> and then i change Bridged  to NAT my kaybord is work
[15:52] <th34lch3m1st> Everytime have 3 windows open on the same workspace and I copy some file nautilus restart (I mean, all the desktop icons disappear, screen black for half a second, then everything come back, with some gosth window selection).
[15:53] <liviuba> tomreyn: it's possible that i've tried the mainline kernel was before it was merged, it's been a long debugging process, lol :D I'll move the module back and try v5.8 now (should I also try 5.9)
[15:53] <WanTeed> th34lch3m1st ....
[15:53] <WanTeed> when i change NAT to Bridged my kaybord is bloked
[15:53] <WanTeed> and then i change Bridged  to NAT my kaybord is work
[15:54] <tomreyn> WanTeed: how are you connecting from the virtualization host (i assume this is some version of Microsoft Windows, based on what you wrote so far, but you should really be telling us about your setup) to the guest system (Ubuntu 20.04 LTS from what i think i remember you writing above)?
[15:55] <WanTeed> chihebchihb
[15:55] <tomreyn> liviuba: i find this (unsupported here) script to be useful for managing ubuntu mainline kernel builds on any systems i depend on them: https://github.com/pimlie/ubuntu-mainline-kernel.sh
[15:55] <th34lch3m1st> WanTeed my keyboard stops type in the terminal, I open a second tab it type there but not in the first tab. All I know is if I kill ibus-daemon keyboard type again. That's my situation.
[15:57] <liviuba> tomreyn: just booted off the 050800 build, the trackpad still isn't working. I'll try and check as before if the device shows up
[15:58] <tomreyn> liviuba: can you show the full output of     cat /proc/bus/input/devices     and     lsmod     ?
[15:59] <tomreyn> liviuba: also, why such an old build?
[15:59] <tomreyn> try the latest non-rc
[15:59] <WanTeed> th34lch3m1st just 2 mn in PM no more
[16:01] <croraf> tomreyn, no scroll thats it as on the image
[16:02] <croraf> https://pasteboard.co/JnyJ2Kw.png
[16:02] <croraf> ledeni, i dont have headphones attached. we are talking about internal mic
[16:04] <liviuba_> tomreyn, I think the date codes are DDMM , this was the latest one
[16:05] <liviuba_> tomreyn, I just realized today isn't 0508 lol, this was the latest one here https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v5.8/
[16:06] <liviuba_> tomreyn, I think that field was the version, not the datecode
[16:09] <croraf> tomreyn, on the laptop specs it says "Webcam: HP Wide Vision HD Camera with integrated dual array digital microphone" could it be that my microphone is on Nvidia second device then, not on the Intel?
[16:09] <liviuba_> tomreyn, this is the lsmod output https://pastebin.com/Zp77HqkJ and this https://pastebin.com/YSaS2XXb is the output for `cat /proc/bus/input/devices`
[16:11] <liviuba_> tomreyn, I've also commented the elan_i2c line in /etc/modules before installing the mainline kernel (I added that line myself)
[16:17] <soft_concrete> Hi, I'm new-ish to Ubuntu and snaps, and I'm noticing some odd behaviour. The Software app tells me there are updates to one of my snaps (Zoom), but it can't update it. So I tried to update it via terminal, using "snap refresh", which tells me all snaps are current (no updates need to be installed), which conflicts with the Software app
[16:17] <_jak> Hey everyone, how does one file a bug report against ubuntu-drivers? I don't know which package it comes from
[16:17] <soft_concrete> So how do I update my version of Zoom?
[16:17] <tomreyn> liviuba: sorry, i went to do some cooking, forgot to tell
[16:18] <tomreyn> liviuba: this would seem to be the latest amd64 non rc https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v5.8.3/amd64/
[16:22] <soft_concrete> _jak: where are you finding this "ubuntu-drivers"? And might you be looking for the package, ubuntu-drivers-common?
[16:23] <tomreyn> liviuba: did you confirm that you have an unsupported (or only recently supported) ELAN touchpad via     sudo acpidump | grep -C3 ELAN    ?
[16:24] <liviuba_> tomreyn, bonne appetit :D I thought 5.8 automatically links to latest, I'll install the one from you in a sec. Meanwhile I've installed 5.9rc1 and the trackpad still isn't working, here is /proc/bus/input/devices https://pastebin.com/U7z0HSUz and here is the output for lsmod https://pastebin.com/rhZqYy97 (these are for kernel 5.9rc1)
[16:26] <liviuba_> tomreyn, this is the output I've got for the acpidump command https://pastebin.com/m8CbuiX5 , but I don't know where to check if it's supported
[16:26] <liviuba_> tomreyn, sorry for the out-of-sync messages, I keep switching between the desktop and the laptop with issues. Will try and install 5.8.3 now
[16:28] <_jak> soft_concrete: it's a python script in /bin, I'm not sure what package it actually comes from. I was under the impression that ubuntu-drivers-common only contained drivers? But I'm not completely sure about that
[16:29] <WanTeed> no one can tel me how can know my ip adress in ubuntu
[16:29] <WanTeed> i use hostname -I it give me no valid adress
[16:29] <tomreyn> liviuba_: if you look at the commit again https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/include/linux/input/elan-i2c-ids.h?id=a50ca29523b18baea548bdf5df9b4b923c2bb4f6   you'll see which input device IDs were (recently)  added - those in green. the acpidump says yours is an ELAN0634
[16:31] <soft_concrete> _jak: here's a useful guide to the functions of many package managers: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pacman/Rosetta
[16:31] <liviuba_> tomreyn, oh, ok, so it's the one you were saying about, added last month (so it was indeed recently supported)
[16:31] <liviuba_> tomreyn, I've installed kernel 5.8.3, am rebooting now
[16:31] <soft_concrete> _jak: using this page, I decided to use "apt-file search" and that gave me "ubuntu-drivers-common" as the result for that file you mentioned
[16:32] <soft_concrete> _jak: "apt-file search /bin/ubuntu-drivers"
[16:32] <soft_concrete> I'm no expert on Ubuntu, so this might be wrong, but it looks right to me
[16:36] <liviuba_> tomreyn, I've rebooted, on kernel 5.8.3-050803-generic now, the trackpad still isn't working. This is lsmod https://pastebin.com/0v4KdFP1 and this is `cat /proc/bus/input/devices` https://pastebin.com/aqRgcFVe
[16:36] <tomreyn> liviuba_: support for your hardware was committed to the main linux git tree about a month ago. this doesn't mean it's been released since. i've just verified that support for the hardware id is included in 5.9-rc1
[16:37] <_jak> soft_concrete: thanks for helping me figure out which package this came from, and for the useful explanation of your thought process! I get the same result on my machine
[16:37] <liviuba_> tomreyn, I keep getting some ACPI errors when booting, this is my full dmesg https://pastebin.com/WbnbP8La (I'm not sure it's related, but I remember in the bug report that the trackpad was under acpi in sysfs)
[16:38] <liviuba_> tomreyn, I've tried 5.9-rc1 a few minutes ago, but it still wasn't working, I can boot into 5.9 now, 1sec
[16:41] <rana_ans> EriC^^: Hey, remember me? so I haven't found anyone who could help or any solution, I tried putting into an external case and trying and a lot of stuff, I was wondering if we could access its data in Linux somehow. PS it shows the disk drive as dynamic and invalid. Altho I have ubuntu installed on it and Im currently using it
[16:42] <rana_ans> but it won't just access neither other partitions nor SSD :C
[16:42] <liviuba_> tomreyn, I've booted 5.9.0-050900rc1-generic , but the trackpad still isn't working. This is the lsmod https://pastebin.com/e2eZhBgH and `cat /proc/bus/input/devices` https://pastebin.com/w7puv05S '
[16:43] <tomreyn> liviuba_: i'm sorry, need to leave it there for now. i suggest you do a bios update, if one is available for your system, and try with 5.9-rc1 again. if this does not help, comment 66 of the bug report you had mentioned, bug 1861610 has a workaround.
[16:43] <rana_ans> should I try using ubuntu 18.04.1 again? current is 18.04.5. because everything was fine in previous one until it started sending me to emergency mode no matter what solution I experimented
[16:44] <tomreyn> liviuba_: i'll be back in about an hour, can have another look with you then if you'll still be around
[16:44] <rana_ans> liviuba_: hey what system do you have and what OS version are you trying?
[16:44] <rana_ans> I have the same issue with my Asus TUF, but I solved it somehow, LOL
[16:44] <liviuba_> tomreyn, I think I'm on the latest bios but can double-check. Thank you very much for your help :D
[16:45] <tomreyn> liviuba_: journalctl -b | grep DMI:     returns your current bios version + model
[16:45] <tomreyn> (its build date may differ from the release date given on the manufacturers' website, focus on the version number instead)
[16:46]  * tomreyn bbl
[16:46] <ledeni> WanTeed: if you looking for your public address just type in terminal 'dig +short myip.opendns.com @resolver1.opendns.com'
[16:46] <liviuba_> rana_ans, hi, I have a Lenovo IdeaBook15 IIL, on ubuntu 20.04, using kernel 5.9-rc1 from kernel-mainline. The problem I'm having is that my trackpad isn't working
[16:46] <liviuba_> tomreyn, ok, I'm checking now
[16:47] <rana_ans> I'm not an expert but I updated my kernels (all stuff using my keyboard) and upon selecting it in GRUB menu and booting, my touchpad started working just fine
[16:48] <liviuba_> tomreyn, I think my bios is indeed old, I'll boot into windows for a sec, they have a windows auto-updater
[16:48] <rana_ans> altho the latest one didn't work very well, but selecting one earlier version did, so I guess you can try that
[16:48] <liviuba_> tomreyn, thanks so much for the help :D at least now I know what the issue is, I was completely clueless, lol
[16:48] <liviuba_> rana_ans, I have to reboot to update my bios, brb for a few minutes
[16:50] <th34lch3m1st> WanTeed Can I ask you a question?
[16:53] <WanTeed> yes
[16:53] <WanTeed> sure th34lch3m1st
[16:53] <th34lch3m1st> You invite me in PM to connect to your machine for "remote desktop" because I look stupid to you?
[16:54] <WanTeed> why
[16:55] <WanTeed> because I trust you th34lch3m1st .?
[16:55] <th34lch3m1st> WanTeed why you go around on irc to ask for remote connection s?
[16:56] <WanTeed> i have a problem with my ssh
[16:56] <WanTeed> no one can connected in my shell
[16:56] <th34lch3m1st> WanTeed Yes,  but you ask on pm
[16:56] <WanTeed> i have already install znc
[16:56] <WanTeed> it already connected but i could login in
[16:57] <liviuba_> tomreyn, my bios was indeed old, and I updated it just now, but the trackpad isn't working still. I'll try re-doing the workaround from the bug report
[16:58] <WanTeed> where the problem
[16:58] <th34lch3m1st> That's not the point: the point is you are configuring "secure" network services and you invite strangers to do remote connection with you?
[16:58] <WanTeed> where the problem
[16:58] <WanTeed> i am learing
[16:58] <WanTeed> i am new in linux
[16:59] <WanTeed> i dont nothing have to lost
[16:59] <th34lch3m1st> you cute innocent angel....
[17:00] <WanTeed> th34lch3m1st
[17:00] <WanTeed> u go away of problem
[17:00] <WanTeed> i need a help
[17:00] <WanTeed> how can connected in my server via putty
[17:00] <WanTeed> it is so so simple
[17:01] <WanTeed> if u dont have the sooulition no problem
[17:01] <th34lch3m1st> WanTeed I don't have time to be hacked today, sorry.
[17:01] <th34lch3m1st> Maybe another day
[17:01] <WanTeed> propably u dont have a responce
[17:01] <WanTeed> my question it so so simple
[17:01] <th34lch3m1st> Then why ask on PM?
[17:01] <hggdh> th34lch3m1st, WanTeed: ok, enough
[17:02] <WanTeed> my question it so so simple
[17:02] <WanTeed> how can connected in my server via putty
[17:02] <hggdh> WanTeed: with the IP address of the server
[17:02] <WanTeed> i dont have the ip server
[17:02] <WanTeed> i dont know my ip server
[17:02] <WanTeed> this is my problem hggdh
[17:03] <WanTeed> i do hostname -I In terminal i get invalid ip adress
[17:03] <idmistir> hello, after a system crash that left a kernel error on kern.log, the network interface isn't visible anymore and the networking service is completely gone. I'm unsure as to the cause of this, whether or not a system crash can cause something like this or if I'm looking at an attack
[17:04] <idmistir> Any ideas in regards to that? Also, it looks like my fastest solution atm to restore services might be to reinstall from scratch. In case I do that, what file should I keep to have any hopes of auditing what happened later on?
[17:04] <hggdh> WanTeed: you can, for example, run 'dig +short myip.opendns.com @resolver1.opendns.com' on your server
[17:04] <idmistir> anything other than /var/log ?
[17:04] <WanTeed> hggdh
[17:04] <WanTeed> step by step pls
[17:05] <WanTeed> i am in terminal now
[17:05] <WanTeed> then ?
[17:05] <hggdh> WanTeed: the obove is one single step. Run the command I gave you (between "'")
[17:06] <WanTeed> 'dig +short myip.opendns.com @resolver1.opendns.com'   ....
[17:06] <hggdh> WanTeed: the output is the server's IP address (if any is available)
[17:06] <WanTeed> wait i i will try this command
[17:06] <hggdh> WanTeed: I mean, the sever's *public* IP address
[17:09] <WanTeed> ip is <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:09] <WanTeed> then hggdh
[17:09] <hggdh> WanTeed: ssh <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:11] <WanTeed> unable to negotiate with <IP_ADDRESS> port 22: no matching  key exchange
[17:11] <hggdh> WanTeed: so you have to adjust your SSH server's configuration and/or your SSH client configuration.
[17:12] <WanTeed> their offer diffie-hellman-group1-sha1
[17:12] <WanTeed> how do that hggdh
[17:12] <hggdh> WanTeed: and this is as far as I will go here. I do not know you, or if you are the actual owner of this server
[17:13] <th34lch3m1st> hggdh that's my point
[17:13] <hggdh> WanTeed: just a suggestion: if you are new to Linux, I do not recommend you to expose a server to the internet without hardening. First learn to harden, THEN expose the server
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> idmistir: crash logs come to /var/crash did you check there?
[17:15] <idmistir> lotuspsychje: there's only an old, irrelevant log there
[17:15] <idmistir> from 2d ago
[17:15] <hggdh> idmistir: please pastebin the kernel error
[17:16] <idmistir> hggdh https://pastebin.com/Njbt5cqY
[17:17] <idmistir> After this, I think the machine froze
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> idmistir: whats your ubuntu version and kernel version please?
[17:20] <idmistir> lotuspsychje that'll take me a minute to be accurate, sorry
[17:22] <hggdh> idmistir: you got hit by a GPF in the kernel (RIP says free_transhuge_page). Kernel is 4.15.0-29-generic
[17:23] <idmistir> hggdh I understand that, but it makes no sense that anything networking related would vanish later?
[17:23] <lotuspsychje> bionic kernel should be <IP_ADDRESS>.100 now
[17:24] <hggdh> idmistir: it does not, per se. But is is possible you had to hard-bounce the machine, and filesystem check kicked in and "cleaned up" things
[17:24] <idmistir> it can "clean up" entire service files?
[17:24] <idmistir> bad nodes?
[17:24] <WanTeed> so no soulution hggdh
[17:25] <hggdh> WanTeed: not here, since we cannot know you actually own the server.
[17:25] <idmistir> hggdh, btw, I checked the last fsck date and it hadn't run for a couple years. But that was AFTER the crash. wouldn't a filesystem check show up like that?
[17:26] <hggdh> idmistir: you should see indicia of fsck running on the first reboot after the crash
[17:28] <hggdh> idmistir: also, the fact you see the crash in kern.log means IO was still functional after the GPF. So... the unresponsive server *might* have been caused by another crash, perhaps a panic, after it.
[17:28] <hggdh> idmistir: it is also possible these are all unrelated events... we do not know
[17:30] <hggdh> idmistir: my servers (all in the cloud) all log to a serial console. The serial console usually is able to record the last breath of a panic before being unresponsive. Without a serial console, you are, pretty much, limited to using SysRq to force a sync/reboot, or to force a kernel dump
[17:31] <Hejkki> uff, any ideas on how to get my ubuntu understand utf-8? I switched to Ubuntu on my laptop and my shell stopped showing utf-8 correctly. Ã¤Ã¶Ã¥ looks like question marks, how do you guys see those?
[17:32] <Hejkki> uff, when i type them, i cannot see them correctly, but on the chat i see them correctly, but if someone else is using non-ascii, i cannot see them correctly
[17:33] <Hejkki> everything worked fine on the shell before my distro change on the laptop
[17:33] <Hejkki> including RTL scripts worked fine
[17:33] <Hejkki> gnome-terminal
[17:34] <idmistir> hggdh would it help at all if I provided the boot log after that crash?
[17:42] <Hejkki> no support
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> !patience | Hejkki
[17:43] <Hejkki> i didn't repeat my question very quickly, waited for some weeks
[17:43] <Hejkki> anyhow
[17:43] <Hejkki> thanks, i will see those links
[17:44] <The_LoudSpeaker> is this package available in Ubuntu? https://packages.debian.org/sid/main/libhandy-1-dev
[17:44] <The_LoudSpeaker> I don't see it on apt search in focal
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> Hejkki: i know, volunteers idle and read, they might pick up on your issue when they read you
[17:45] <croraf> lotuspsychje, i remember you boss, you helped me run my Ubuntu 9 months ago :O
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> great to hear croraf
[17:46] <The_LoudSpeaker> lotuspsychje: helps many times. I am also one of those whom he has helped. _/\_
[17:47] <The_LoudSpeaker> */he/she/they
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> The_LoudSpeaker: libhandy-0.0-0 - Library with GTK widgets for mobile phones seems there for fossa
[17:48] <The_LoudSpeaker> that doesn't seem to be the one that I need
[17:48] <croraf> The graphics drivers + that experimental GUI manager that was the default on Ubuntu. Do you remember lotuspsychje
[17:48] <croraf> HP Omen. We spent entire day me pasting you the pastebins
[17:48] <croraf> Was like November
[17:48] <croraf> RTX 2080
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> croraf: join #ubuntu-discuss please, refresh my mind
[17:49] <The_LoudSpeaker> lotuspsychje: I am trying to build the elementary-terminal. here are the logs: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Z3ggZXgvg4/
[17:51] <Bashing-om> Hejkki: I just joined the channel - what is the nature of your issue - maybe I can help ?
[17:51] <Moukinhas> hello guys. my laptop is stuck in "Setting up acpid..." when updating from Eoan to Focal. any ideas on how to "unstuck" it?
[17:51] <lotuspsychje> The_LoudSpeaker: oh, we usually advice to install packages from the repos/snaps instead of building your own on ubuntu, maybe ##linux more for compiling issues?
[17:53] <Hejkki> Bashing-om: utf-8 on terminal not showing correctly
[17:53] <Hejkki> gnome-terminal
[17:54] <Hejkki> well, it shows correctly if i just open the terminal, but when i connect to ssh to another server, it is jst question marks. The server didn't change any settings, i just changed the distro on my laptop and everything on the server side is messed with utf-8
[17:54] <Bashing-om> Hejkki: Font issue ? what shows as installed ' fc-cache -fv ' ?
[17:55] <The_LoudSpeaker> lotuspsychje: the elementary-terminal (or pantheon terminal) is available from a ppa. But only for 18.04. Not for 20.04. I want another terminal for work and this is the only one I liked apart from default ubuntu terminal. hence I will have to build it from source or wait till elementary os 6 releases.
[17:56] <Hejkki> Bashing-om: that gives me like 144 lines of skipping, looped directory detected
[17:57] <Hejkki> and new cache contents: 0 fonts, 0 dirs
[17:57] <Bashing-om> Hejkki: Yuk - Not sure what could cause that in the ssh world :)
[17:57] <Hejkki> ok :)
[17:58] <Hejkki> because with another linux distro i could even type arabic RTL correctly in gnome-terminal
[17:58] <Hejkki> the server has no changes since that
[17:58] <Bashing-om> Hejkki: But not seeing any font directories --- maybe a path issue ?
[17:58] <Hejkki> yes there are font dirs
[17:59] <Hejkki> sorry, pasted a poor line, there are lines with other numbers also
[17:59] <Hejkki> caching, new cache contents: 35 fonts, 0 dirs
[17:59] <Hejkki> etc
[18:02] <Bashing-om> Hejkki: Well not a path issue then - but I have no other ideas as of this time as to how to check the fonts in a ssh environment :(
[18:02] <Hejkki> ok thanks anyhow :)
[18:11] <Hejkki> another annoying problem: Can't paste with the middle mouse button anymore, and if i go to chrome, fill in some form, select some word and try to type to replace the text, nothing comes, i have to push delete to type/replace
[18:11] <Hejkki> 2 problems sorry
[18:13] <Hejkki> oh well, only in chrome, forget then :)
[18:18] <croraf> I debugged my issue a bit. I have to start with the following.
[18:18] <croraf> I have a laptop with this internal microphone (https://www8.hp.com/h20195/v2/GetPDF.aspx/c06395354.pdf): HP Wide Vision HD Camera with integrated dual array digital microphone
[18:18] <croraf> croraf@croraf-OMEN-by-HP-Laptop-17-cb0xxx:~$ cat /proc/asound/card0/codec* | grep Codec    Codec: Realtek ALC285
[18:19] <croraf> croraf@croraf-OMEN-by-HP-Laptop-17-cb0xxx:~$ cat /proc/asound/card1/codec* | grep Codec       Codec: Nvidia GPU 92 HDMI/DP
[18:19] <croraf> First, how can I know to which card does my internal microphone connect to?
[18:20] <croraf> https://termbin.com/6k7q
[18:47] <tomreyn> liviuba: i'm back, reading up now. ping me if you would like to follow up.
[18:51] <tomreyn> liviuba: you'd need to remove the modprobe.blacklist=i2c_hid kernel parameter you had on the dmesg you posted earlier if you wanted to make the pad work.
[18:55] <tomreyn> croraf: can you run alsamixer again, press F6 to select sound card, F4 to select Capture (instead of the Default, Playback) devices? note how Playback is selected on your earlier screenshot ( https://pasteboard.co/JnyJ2Kw.png ). Then tell us what you see listed.
[18:57] <tomreyn> croraf: i'm not sure really about the webcam, those are usually connected via usb, but i'm not sure how its microphones would be physically and logically connected to your audio chipsets. it could even be that alsa/pulse audio treat this as a separate audio chipset..
[19:01] <liviuba> tomreyn: hey, welcome back :D I tried re-doing the steps in the bug report and still nothing. I booted now with the blacklist parameter removed, and still nothing. SHould I paste a new dmesg?
[19:03] <tomreyn> liviuba: yes, thats a good start, with the latest rc or stable mainline kernel please
[19:05] <tomreyn> liviuba: about switching back and forth between computers: things can get much easier if you'll install an sshd on the computer you're trying to get this working on, then ssh to it from the other computer and manage it remotely.
[19:05] <croraf> tomreyn, https://pasteboard.co/JnAi9JA.png
[19:05] <croraf> You saw my question from 45 min ago?
[19:06] <liviuba_> tomreyn, this is the dmesg output https://pastebin.com/bUu4rvPw for 5.9.0-050900rc1-generic and latest drivers
[19:06] <tomreyn> croraf: This one? I just tried to respond to it, but do not know the actual answer. <croraf> First, how can I know to which card does my internal microphone connect to?
[19:07] <koi_ghoti_2> hi, I wish to change my terminal character encoding to iso_8859_3
[19:07] <koi_ghoti_2> and my locale
[19:08] <croraf> tomreyn, yes, i see.
[19:09] <croraf> tomreyn, oh sorry the latest image was with jack microphone connected
[19:10] <tomreyn> liviuba_: you'Re still booting with modprobe.blacklist=i2c_hid
[19:11] <tomreyn> liviuba_: is this on purpose?
[19:11] <croraf> tomreyn, it looks the same with jack microphone unpluged
[19:11] <liviuba_> tomreyn, I don't think so, I removed the line from the grub confi
[19:11] <tomreyn> liviuba_: and ran    sudo update-grub    before rebooting?
[19:11] <liviuba_> tomreyn, I think I forgot to regenerate the actual grub config, 1s I'll reboot now
[19:16] <tomreyn> croraf: what does     pavucontrol -t 4    show?
[19:17] <croraf> tomreyn, https://pasteboard.co/JnAmUfk.png
[19:18] <tomreyn> croraf: can you show the "configuration" tab as well?
[19:18] <liviuba> tomreyn: I've set up sshd on the laptop, much smoother now :D this is the dmesg https://pastebin.com/5pNVxdTK I've checked and the blacklist part is missing from the boot options in grub
[19:19] <asdfgh> hello
[19:19] <asdfgh> i have installed code via snap
[19:20] <asdfgh> is there something similar to --purge remove
[19:20] <asdfgh> after the re-install i see previous workspace
[19:20] <asdfgh>  am trying to install CODE (visual studio code)
[19:22] <liviuba> tomreyn: just so I understand what's happening, what we're trying to do now is to load the elan_i2c module into the kernel? I tried adding it to /etc/modules and it does show up in lsmod, but /proc/bus/input/devices doesn't change
[19:23] <tomreyn> liviuba: yes, i was hoping it'd show up as an input device by now, thanks to the updated acpi tables. ive only started reading your dmesg now, give me some minutes. maybe you can try to prepare the custom acpi table in the meantime?
[19:25] <tomreyn> liviuba: also if you could     cat /proc/bus/input/devices | nc termbin.com 9999     please
[19:25] <tomreyn> lsmod, too
[19:25] <liviuba> tomreyn: ok, sure, prepare as in run everything here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1861610/comments/66 until the part where I create `/etc/grub.d/50_acpi_patch`, right?
[19:26] <liviuba> tomreyn: oh, also, when I dump the acpi table, the changes are already made (the lines that I previously commented now don't show up at all in the function)
[19:27] <asdfgh> why do i see all the extensions i have installed in code?
[19:27] <asdfgh> snap remove --purge just remove the package
[19:27] <asdfgh> i need to remove everything about that package
[19:27] <asdfgh> to install a fresh code after
[19:29] <liviuba> tomreyn: this is lsmod https://termbin.com/ayty and this is /proc/bus/input/devices https://termbin.com/ek0o
[19:29] <tomreyn> liviuba: okay so the acpi table should no longer be the problem. then just wait until i'm done reading, i guess
[19:35] <asdfgh> why this confusion about snap and deb file.....
[19:37] <tomreyn> liviuba: if i'm interpreting your dmesg correctly then before you postzed this, you already booted with a custom DSDT ACPI table. can you remove this off the initrd for now and reboot and post another dmesg, please?
[19:37] <tomreyn> + cat /proc/bus/input/devices
[19:38] <tomreyn> my goal right now is to be as close to stock ubuntu (but with updated bios + kernel) as possible
[19:38] <liviuba> tomreyn: ok, I'll remove this bit /boot/acpi_fixed.cpio (from here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1861610/comments/66) when booting
[19:39] <tomreyn> liviuba: exactly, + update initramfs
[19:39] <tomreyn> or redo initramfs rather
[19:40] <tomreyn> so   sudo update-inmitramfs -c -k $(uname -r)
[19:42] <liviuba> tomreyn: just booted with that option part removed (just removed from grub, at boot time), and ran `update-initramfs -u` and got this warning "W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8125b-2.fw for module r8169" but it worked otherwise
[19:43] <tomreyn> r8169 is a network chipset by realtek, it may need a newer firmware, but that's not related
[19:43] <liviuba> tomreyn: sorry didn't see your message with the -c, ran `update-initramfs -c -k $(uname -r)` and got the same output
[19:44] <tomreyn> liviuba: looks like yours contains -c, too
[19:44] <croraf> tomreyn, https://pasteboard.co/JnAxQRmQ.png
[19:45] <tomreyn> croraf: i don't rmeember, was the TU104HD the nvidia one? if so, keep it off, and try a digial input for the built-in
[19:45] <asdfgh> anyone?
[19:46] <tomreyn> croraf: if there is no digital input, look for "analog stereo duplex"
[19:46] <croraf> I dont think ive seen tu104hd anywhere tomreyn you mean in jurnal?
[19:47] <prappl93> asdfgh, what exactly is your question again?
[19:47] <croraf> in those other logs this code was not present
[19:47] <croraf> tomreyn,
[19:47] <asdfgh> prappl93, i have installed "code" package via snap
[19:48] <asdfgh> now i want to remove that package i tried with snap remove code      and snap remove --purge code
[19:48] <asdfgh> but when i do snap install code
[19:48] <liviuba> tomreyn: I ran the command with -u initially, and later ran the exact command you said :D so, I ran the update-initramfs and rebooted (changed the initrd parameter at boot time again) and these are /proc/bus/input/devices https://termbin.com/7fcu , lsmod https://termbin.com/fl07 and dmesg https://termbin.com/4j0z
[19:48] <tomreyn> croraf: hmm, i thought it was listed on some output you posted to termbin or pastebin.com earlier, but not sure now, can't find it.
[19:48] <asdfgh> i see the previous configuration, previous workspace of that editor
[19:48] <asdfgh> prappl93, ^^
[19:48] <croraf> perhaps only in journal, you want me to repaste the journal?
[19:49] <croraf> tomreyn, but i see it on this link https://linux-hardware.org/index.php?id=pci:10de-10f8-1558-7710
[19:49] <prappl93> asdfgh, is there a config file/directory still in your home directory for that? Might be in ~/.config
[19:49] <tomreyn> croraf: a web search for "tu104 hd" suggests this chipset is usually combined with nvidia graphics cards, that's enough indication for me.
[19:50] <asdfgh> i see .config/COde
[19:50] <asdfgh> Code
[19:50] <asdfgh> why snap still mantain it?=
[19:51] <tomreyn> liviuba: very well, no more acpi table override in place
[19:51] <croraf> For builtin audio i see: analog stereo output (selected), off, analog stereo input (unplugged) (unavailable), analog stereo duplex (unavailable) tomreyn
[19:51] <liviuba> tomreyn: yes, now if I dump and decompile it, I get back the function that was commented previously (just the body)
[19:52] <tomreyn> croraf: hmm if those are unavailable then this is not the problem. i need to focus on the work i started with liviuba for now, though, sorry.
[19:52] <croraf> np, have a nice evening
[19:52] <tomreyn> croraf: you, too.
[19:53] <prappl93> asdfgh, I'm not quite sure. I'd assume the purge command would only remove system-level configurations instead of local ones on snap. I'm fairly certain that's the same behavior with dpkg/apt as well.
[19:53] <tomreyn> croraf: you're welcome to sum all details you have so far up again and post them here again to get help from someone else, or on the ubuntu forums or askubuntu.com, too
[19:54] <croraf> cool, i go try changing mode now in alsa-base.config
[19:54] <croraf> so i restart now
[19:54] <croraf> see ya
[19:54] <tomreyn> liviuba: so you're saying it's not commented out now, right?
[19:56] <liviuba> tomreyn: yes, it's not commented, it's like this https://pastebin.com/7Sv9uf4f
[19:58] <croraf> tomreyn just to inform you that i changed the mode in the config and now it shows the mic
[19:58] <croraf> still not recoridng thoug
[19:59] <asdfgh> prappl93, ok i try removing it manually
[19:59] <croraf> https://pasteboard.co/JnAE08n.png tomreyn
[20:00] <tomreyn> croraf: raise the capture devices' volumes with alsamixer to 70%, mic boost by one step
[20:00] <asdfgh> prappl93, could you explain this confusion? i mean....now can we install software via .deb and via snap ?
[20:01] <prappl93> asdfgh, should be able to do both yes. Ubuntu comes with both snapd and dpkg/apt to install packages
[20:01] <croraf> tomreyn, before doing anything it is kinda recording internal laptop sounds
[20:02] <croraf> capture is on 100 in F4 menu
[20:02] <croraf> internal is at 0, mic bootst 0 and 1 are at 0
[20:02] <tomreyn> liviuba: good. these acpi errors you have on dmesg are, i think, about the on-board USB 3.1 hubs
[20:03] <croraf> tomreyn, which of these shoukd i change. im in f4 menu
[20:03] <tomreyn> croraf: okay, sorry then,t hat's all i could think of quickly
[20:03] <asdfgh> prappl93, yes but i do not get the point....why two tool to install packages?
[20:03] <croraf> ok thx tomreyn
[20:04] <prappl93> asdfgh, snap installs packages in a container, kind of like Docker, from my understanding. It allows you to install more packages that don't natively come in a .deb format from my understanding.
[20:05] <tomreyn> liviuba: you should probably "file a bug with lenovo" on this, i.e. do a forum post or open a ticket with their support if you can. they may just respond with "we do not support linux on this laptop" though, in which case you'd need to try to insist that acpi tables should still not be broken on the device you acquired from them.
[20:05] <asdfgh> prappl93, a kind of chroot ?
[20:05] <prappl93> asdfgh, precisely
[20:05] <asdfgh> ok
[20:06] <tomreyn> liviuba: can you post    lsusb    as well?
[20:07] <liviuba> tomreyn: ok, I'll try this. Do you think there is any chance for this to be fixed at some point in the future? as in, in future kernel releases / with future bios updates?
[20:08] <liviuba> tomreyn: this is the lsusb output https://termbin.com/iwqz
[20:08] <tomreyn> liviuba: i'd say there's a good chance it'll be fixed in the future, yes. but don't rely on me. ;-)
[20:10] <tomreyn> liviuba: since you still have windows installed, while this should be unrelated, you should probably also update the intel ME firmware, for security reasons.
[20:11] <tomreyn> https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/gb/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/thinkbook-series/thinkbook-15-iil/20sm/downloads/DS545589
[20:11] <liviuba> tomreyn: dang, if I'd known I would have bought something else, lol. Thank you very very much for your help
[20:11] <liviuba> tomreyn: how could you tell that even the cpu firmware was old? do you do kernel development?
[20:13] <tomreyn> liviuba: no, i'm completely clueless there. i just noticed they had released a newer ME fiormware and think i read something about new bugs in the intel management engine lately, which this may be about.
[20:13] <liviuba> tomreyn: they have a thread on their forum for the thinkbook 14 (which I assume is the previous year's generation) which still isn't fixed, here https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkBook-Notebooks/Thinkbook-14-IIL-trackpad-not-supported-on-Linux/m-p/5013867
[20:16] <tomreyn> liviuba: hmm, yes, looks related. i'm not god with editing acpi tables either, would not really know what whould be changed, so i'm not really much help with working around the buggy bios, which would generally be possible though.
[20:28] <spiffdaddy> If linux is running in a VM, how sandboxed is its activity from data miners or malware that has infected the host?
[20:31] <tomreyn> liviuba: hmm, i just re-read (parts of) bug 1861610 and notice that there are others who have your exact configuration (if older kernel, but this should not matter) report that the *workaround* (not fix) by Ferenc Szabo works for them, soecifically https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1861610/comments/98 has your same model, same bios version. so i think it should be possible. you'd need to re-introduce the module blacklisting of
[20:31] <tomreyn> i2c_hid (i just asked you to remove this earlier to rule out side effects, hoping this was already fixed in mainline kernels)
[20:32] <tomreyn> liviuba: also make sure you subscribe to this bug report to know when it gets fixed, and to flag "affects me", too.
[20:33] <catbeard> qq
[20:33] <catbeard> on focal
[20:33] <catbeard> how do i "force" ubuntu to see that i have a 3.5mm audio jack plugged in (again)
[20:33] <catbeard> as opposed to routing sound via HDMI
[20:33] <catbeard> i have the applet switcher but it only lists 1
[20:33] <catbeard> but aplay -l lists 2
[20:35] <catbeard> i had unplugged my speakers to instead plug in headphones, and HDMI took over and won't let go
[20:35] <catbeard> until reboot of course
[20:35] <catbeard> but i have 40 windows open with 3 active ssh proxy sessions and i don't wish to reboot
[20:37] <tomreyn> spiffdaddy: not much. if the host OS is infected, the guest OS can be, too. general linux questions are better asked in ##linux, hardware (and firmware, and virtualization platform support) questions should go to ##hardware. ubuntu specific discussions which are not support questions should go to #ubuntu-discuss
[20:38] <spiffdaddy> tomreyn thanks!
[20:41] <liviuba> tomreyn: I subscribed to the bug and flagged that it affects me, thanks for helping me out
[20:43] <tomreyn> you're welcome.
[22:04] <guntbert> !nickspam > StathisA
[22:05] <xbfrog> i want to stop ubuntu 20.04 asking for a login. i read that if i go to sudo visudo it opens vi editor. i am suppose to add to %admin behind (all) NOPASSWORD: I get this far but cant figure out how so save and exit. any help?
[22:06] <xbfrog> i read different answers but none seem to save and exit
[22:06] <tomreyn> hit escape, type :x and press enter
[22:07] <xbfrog> i did, does it prompt or no?
[22:07] <xbfrog> i get no response
[22:07] <tomreyn> no
[22:07] <xbfrog> ok no prompt then? right?
[22:08] <tomreyn> vim won't prompt you for anything.
[22:08] <xbfrog> ok got it, then that explains the 2 sudoer.tmp saves i saw when looking at the files
[22:09] <tomreyn> the general idea of "stop ubuntu 20.04 asking for a login" seems like a bad idea to me, though.
[22:09] <xbfrog> why? might i ask
[22:09] <tomreyn> i think you asked this here before and got several replies, am i remembering this incorrectly?
[22:09] <xbfrog> this is all new to me so i'm sorry if my questions seem dumb
[22:10] <xbfrog> um, mayb i'm not sure. just now today figured out how to get to the file to be modified
[22:11] <tomreyn> which login prompt are you trying to remove exactly?
[22:11] <xbfrog> from a cold boot or log off it asks for a password
[22:11] <xbfrog> or log on rather
[22:12] <tomreyn> the login to your graphical desktop?
[22:12] <xbfrog> yes
[22:12] <xbfrog> there is no one here but me so i have no issues with someone else using my laptop
[22:12] <tomreyn> editing the sudo configuration won't make this disappear.
[22:12] <xbfrog> oh
[22:13] <xbfrog> is it permenent? no change possible?
[22:13] <tomreyn> are you using the default gdm login manager?
[22:13] <xbfrog> um gdm? not sure. what's gdm?
[22:14] <xbfrog> i havent installed any other login manager if thats what you mean
[22:14] <tomreyn> okay, let's ask differently: are you using the default Ubuntu or one of the other flavours?
[22:14] <tomreyn> !flavour
[22:14] <xbfrog> default
[22:14] <xbfrog> its running gnome desktop
[22:15] <tomreyn> press the windows key, then type: settings
[22:15] <xbfrog> ok
[22:15] <tomreyn> on the bottom of the left column you should see 'Details'
[22:15] <tomreyn> click it
[22:15] <tomreyn> then click on 'Users'
[22:16] <tomreyn> does this work so far?
[22:16] <xbfrog> i'm in settings/users
[22:17] <xbfrog> it says unlock to change settings
[22:17] <tomreyn> right, click on the 'unlock' button on the window frame
[22:17] <xbfrog> ok
[22:17] <xbfrog> ok entered password
[22:17] <tomreyn> switch "automatic login" to on
[22:17] <xbfrog> ok
[22:18] <tomreyn> you're done.
[22:18] <xbfrog> it was on that setting before i googled your answer and "they" said turn it off. it was on and still asking for a password at boot
[22:19] <xbfrog> on or off it still asks for password
[22:19] <tomreyn> take note of the password prompt if it still does it then. or take a photo with a camera and upload it.
[22:19] <xbfrog> ok, upload it where?
[22:20] <tomreyn> imgur.com
[22:20] <xbfrog> ok i know how to use that
[22:20] <xbfrog> ok will do
[22:20] <xbfrog> thanks
[22:20] <xbfrog> i really appreciate your help
[22:20] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[22:20] <xbfrog> be back later
[22:41] <xbfrog> ok i need to say i forgot i did once install seahorse didnt like it and uninstalled it.
[22:41] <xbfrog> it clicked my memory looking at the screen because it says "keyring"
[22:41] <xbfrog> so maybe it didnt totally uninstall?
[22:49] <Bray90820> Maybe someone here can tell me why this script makes ubuntu 20.04 crash
[22:49] <Bray90820> https://pastebin.com/raw/w4rAvVgf
[22:51] <Bambus> seems pretty okay...
[22:52] <Bray90820> When i run it the gnome side panel refreshes without apps and i cant click anything
[22:52] <Bray90820> And then i need to restart the computer
[22:57] <Shaun> hi; trying to install anything with snap, I get 403 forbidden from api.snapcraft.io.  Where do I even start trying to figure out what's wrong?
[23:33] <brookerose1312> Hi, I can't seem to find a distro support channel for Ubuntu Budgie - does one exist, or should I ask my question here (it's less about the distro and more about hardware support)
[23:33] <compdoc> might as well ask
[23:34] <brookerose1312> Cool! So, my partner recently got the Lenovo Flex 5 14iil05-81x1. The touchscreen doesn't work out of box, and I'm just wondering if getting it working is possible or a lost cause.
[23:35] <brookerose1312> I have the same laptop but I'm running arch and I haven't tried to bother getting the touchscreen working.
[23:35] <brookerose1312> ... if it matters it's the i5 variant.
[23:36] <xbfrog> weird
[23:54] <tomreyn> brookerose1312: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=207759#c17
[23:54] <brookerose1312> I'll give it a try, thanks.
[23:54] <tomreyn> that's a workaround, obviously, not a fix
[23:55] <brookerose1312> Eh, as long as it means that they can use their touchscreen, that's fine haha
[23:55] <tomreyn> apprently it works with some submodels but not others
[23:56] <brookerose1312> I'll test on mine since I have the same system and it's a systemd thing
[23:58] <Maik> brookerose1312: #ubuntu-budgie
[23:58] <brookerose1312> Ah, thank you.
[23:59] <Maik> you're welcome
[23:59] <brookerose1312> I'll ask there if it doesn't work on my system (currently set up a ubuntu budgie system as well in order to check lol)


[01:09] <d_ken> need help with 12.10 and geforce 210 - unity
[01:11] <holstein> d_ken: i would just not use anything that forces 3d
[01:11] <holstein> thats older hardware, correct?
[01:11] <holstein> !ati | d_ken this is what i always refer to
[01:12] <d_ken> yes
[01:12] <holstein> i would use something like xubuntu or lubuntu
[01:12] <holstein> unity requires 3d
[01:12] <d_ken> went through 6 or 7 different options, may go back to 12.04
[01:12] <holstein> there is unity 2d in 12.04 AFAIK.. but that has no longevity
[01:12] <d_ken> hear that works better
[01:12] <holstein> d_ken: did you try LXDE? or XFCE?
[01:13] <d_ken> no, not familiar
[01:13] <holstein> !xubuntu
[01:13] <holstein> !lubuntu
[01:13] <holstein> ^^ xubuntu is xfce + ubuntu.. not unity
[01:13] <holstein> !nounity
[01:13] <holstein> lubuntu is LXDE + ubuntu
[01:13] <d_ken> that's ok, actually, I just want it to be my personal web server
[01:13] <holstein> d_ken: then, you need no GUI
[01:13] <holstein> !server
[01:14] <d_ken> flavor of GUI is not impartant
[01:14] <d_ken> important ;)
[01:14] <holstein> d_ken: just avoid unity then.. try xubuntu on that hardware.. its a lot like the older gnome2 setup
[01:14] <d_ken> that will work - not really looking for a windows replacement
[01:14] <d_ken> just something that is functional
[01:15] <d_ken> thank you all for your help!
[01:23] <holstein> d_ken: sure.. enjoy!
[05:58] <duanedesign> Anyone used Django?
[06:04] <duanedesign> lost all my old ardiono projects. This time I will be sure to host them on github
[08:35] <s0r1n> hy
[09:18] <StillWaiting> -.-
[09:18] <duanedesign> hello StillWaiting
[09:19] <duanedesign> whatcha waiting on
[09:19] <duanedesign> maning of life == 42
[09:20] <duanedesign> s/maning/meaning
[09:20] <StillWaiting> Owh..
[09:20] <StillWaiting> sstill got ppl here..
[09:20] <StillWaiting> :)
[09:20] <StillWaiting> duanedesign
[09:21] <StillWaiting> can u tell me how to install BT5R3
[09:21] <duanedesign> back track
[09:21] <StillWaiting> yes
[09:23] <duanedesign> StillWaiting: what are you using it for?
[09:24] <duanedesign> sorry I missed a little
[09:24] <StillWaiting> haha
[09:24] <StillWaiting> its Ok
[09:24] <duanedesign> if it is not primary distrio I would recommend indtalling on udb
[09:24] <duanedesign> uf, usb
[09:25] <duanedesign> getting dark where, getting harder to tyoe
[09:25] <duanedesign> if i was smart I would turn on a light
[09:25] <StillWaiting> Lolz
[09:25] <StillWaiting> using WNware, unetbootin, or Virtaulbox
[09:25] <duanedesign> so do you just wan to use it as a utility or primary OS?
[09:26] <StillWaiting> which better .?
[09:26] <duanedesign> ohhhh
[09:26] <StillWaiting> utility
[09:26] <StillWaiting> im using DUal Boot
[09:26] <duanedesign> some good options
[09:26] <StillWaiting> 1st i should make it into LIVE ..??
[09:26] <StillWaiting> is dat correct.?
[09:27] <StillWaiting> <-- My english is not good enough.. But hope u can understand da meaning.. :)
[09:27] <duanedesign> I would try USB first that way you have it to use on other computers. It is a grat tool
[09:28] <duanedesign> StillWaiting: aare you instaling from windows or ubuntu
[09:28] <StillWaiting> other Comp .? Personal Use is better For Me
[09:28] <StillWaiting> Windows
[09:28] <StillWaiting> Now im using linux
[09:29] <StillWaiting> primary = windows
[09:29] <StillWaiting> linux is place 4 learning
[09:36] <duanedesign> so you are making the backtrack ive uSB in Windows?
[09:37] <StillWaiting> -.-
[09:38] <duanedesign> do you have a usb stick?
[09:39] <StillWaiting> im not using it
[09:39] <StillWaiting> juz hdd
[09:41] <duanedesign> ok so you plan to dual boot between windows and backtrack?
[09:42] <duanedesign> backtrACK is a full OS
[09:42] <StillWaiting> yes
[09:42] <StillWaiting> means.?
[09:45] <duanedesign> I think Backtrack wil fit on on a CD. that is your best option IMNO
[09:45] <duanedesign> unless you want to add another Operating System to your computrt
[09:45] <duanedesign> either way you will need to download backtraCK
[09:46] <duanedesign> StillWaiting: http://www.backtrack-linux.org/downloads/
[09:46] <StillWaiting> -.-
[09:46] <duanedesign> if you are running 64 bit Ubuntu and or windows select the 64 bit option
[09:48] <duanedesign> I would select Gnome over KDE for widow manager, Image type if you have virtual boxes running ight try that rought
[09:48] <duanedesign> but VM, can bee finigky when trying to restore, troubleshoot a computer
[09:49] <duanedesign> i would download, burn the iso and boot into Live CD
[09:50] <duanedesign> good tipe on burning iso from UBuntu
[09:50] <duanedesign> and Windoes https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto#Burning_from_Windows
[09:51] <duanedesign> ooops burning iso from Ubuntu link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto#Burning_from_Ubuntu
[09:51] <StillWaiting> this step is for.?
[09:52] <StillWaiting> installing ubuntu.?
[09:52] <duanedesign> that link is burning an iso to cd after you downoad it
[09:53] <duanedesign> StillWaiting:  backtrack is a Live CD so you will be able to run it from the cd without installing
[09:54] <duanedesign> StillWaiting: wghat issues are you having?
[09:54] <duanedesign> with ubuntu/
[09:54] <StillWaiting> so, finishing my download file
[09:54] <StillWaiting> burn it into cd
[09:54] <StillWaiting> then just running it freely.?
[09:57] <duanedesign> yep/
[09:57] <duanedesign> Backtrack is more of a penetration testing tool
[09:57] <StillWaiting> hows about WUbi.??
[09:57] <duanedesign> i.e hacking tool
[09:57] <duanedesign> stary away from Wubi!
[09:57] <duanedesign> veery buggy
[09:58] <StillWaiting> im install using wubi ..
[09:58] <StillWaiting> should i make it again n butn it into CD n make it LIVE Cd
[09:58] <StillWaiting> *burn
[09:58] <duanedesign> installing UBuntu using wubi?
[09:58] <StillWaiting> yes
[09:59] <StillWaiting> already done..
[09:59] <duanedesign> I woud just install Ubuntu as a dual boot option to widows
[09:59] <duanedesign> it is very straight forwrd
[09:59] <duanedesign> Wubis sow and ore for tryin out ubuntu...
[09:59] <duanedesign> sorry
[10:00] <duanedesign> Wubi is more for trying Ubuntu
[10:00] <StillWaiting> swt..
[10:00] <duanedesign> and I do not think it does a good job of that IHHO
[10:00] <StillWaiting> as i say earlier, i juz wan 2 learn about ubuntu/linux
[10:01] <StillWaiting> so..
[10:01] <StillWaiting> wat should i do now.?
[10:01] <duanedesign> the Ubuntu insall procwaa maKES It very easy to dual bot between widows ND ubUNTU. I have been going it for 5+ yeRS
[10:01] <duanedesign> OK
[10:01] <duanedesign> ;ets see
[10:05] <duanedesign> StillWaiting: I tink yuo open the software center. and search UBuntu and select uninstall
[10:05] <StillWaiting> in progress ..
[10:05] <duanedesign> StillWaiting: no non non wait
[10:06] <duanedesign> wubi is installed an appplication in wunidows
[10:06] <duanedesign> so you would uninstall it like any other Windows application
[10:06] <StillWaiting> but
[10:06] <duanedesign> Go to Control Panel, Uninstall a program (Vista/7) or Add/remove programs (XP), and double-click on the Ubuntu entry to automatically uninstall
[10:06] <StillWaiting> still got software to uninstall it
[10:06] <StillWaiting> i forgot wat dat name is,...
[10:07] <StillWaiting> then.?
[10:09] <duanedesign> http://people.ubuntu.com/~duanedesign/wubi-uninstall.png
[10:10] <duanedesign> you mean afetr uninstalling their is stil some software left
[10:10] <StillWaiting> wait...
[10:10] <StillWaiting> im changing my os for a while..
[10:11] <StillWaiting> im now in ubuntu mode..
[10:11] <StillWaiting> RESTART my lappy..
[10:14] <duanedesign> geirha: you around?
[10:14] <duanedesign> geirha: need jelp getting wubi of this machine and a roper dual boot configuration setup
[10:19] <StillWaiting> ok
[10:19] <StillWaiting> done..
[10:23] <duanedesign> what have you done so far?
[10:23] <StillWaiting> restart, now using windows xp
[10:23] <duanedesign> StillWaiting: we can move to PM
[19:17] <isiah_s> who likes iscsi?
[19:34] <haros> anybody home
[19:34] <holstein> haros: sure
[19:34] <haros> hello there
[21:19] <isiah_s> i am not home, i am at work
[22:52] <haros> #ubuntuph
[23:07] <duanedesign> close


[00:05] <akgraner> pleia2, I also added a trello board for the Ubuntu Women Project and sent you an invite :-)
[00:06] <akgraner> https://trello.com/board/ubuntu-women-project/4ea352e9dc20f19e69062cba  is should be publicly viewable if I set it up right
[00:20] <hypodermia> that looks pretty nifty and useful.
[00:28] <akgraner> it's pretty cool a few of us have been trying it out so see if it's a cool tool for teams to use - share todo lists and tasks wtc
[00:28] <akgraner> etc
[00:29] <akgraner> well b/c LP stinks for team task management and well blueprints are ok but not really a fun way to keep up with stuff
[00:31] <hypodermia> akgraner: i wonder if i could possibly talk my team at work into using it for their scrum workflow. so we don't keep having stickies fall off our board.
[00:31] <akgraner> jcastro was the one who showed it to us etc..you can assign people tasks, collaborate see what tasks are outstanding and keep track of everything that was done during a cycle as you move things from todo, to in progress, to done, or postponed etc
[00:31] <akgraner> :-)
[00:31] <hypodermia> i doubt it though. they like their stickies.
[00:32] <akgraner> it's easy to set up - jcastro set up the Ubuntu Group - but you can set up a personal board or another Group and have boards within the group
[00:32] <akgraner> hehe - I just stickies too, but I am like using the trello boards over wikis and stuff for todo's ect
[00:33] <akgraner> hypatia, check out the trello blog - there is some pretty cool information on there as well
[00:33] <hypodermia> i assume you mean hypodermia
[00:33] <hypodermia> and i will when i get back
[00:33] <akgraner> yep sorry
[00:34] <akgraner> autotab complete fail
[00:34] <akgraner> :-(
[02:56] <hypodermia> oh right, i first heard about trello on the internal IRC at work. now i remember it
[03:21] <pleia2> akgraner: cool thanks
[03:21] <pleia2> akgraner: doesn't look like you actually invited me to that board, not sure if I can join it myself...
[03:33] <pleia2> doesn't look like it
[14:55] <akgraner> pleia2,  I thought I did let me check again...:-(
[14:56] <akgraner> invitation sent
[16:05] <pleia2> akgraner: got it, thanks :)
[16:06] <akgraner> sorry I thought I sent it yesterday :-(
[16:08] <akgraner> I also talked to Cat Alman yesterday - we can use anything we want from the GSoC stuff as long we we give attribution :-)  Once I get it all typed up - I'll her a link as well- she thought it was cool.
[16:09] <pleia2> re: mentoring?
[16:10]  * nigelb hugs akgraner
[16:10] <akgraner> pleia2, yep :-)
[16:10] <pleia2> cool :)
[16:10] <akgraner> So I'll have you an outline on there today depending on how long the summaries take
[16:11] <pleia2> \o/
[17:37] <pleia2> gosh, trello on a netbook screen just isn't doing it for me
[18:21] <akgraner> pleia2, oh I haven't checked trello on a netbook yet
[18:21] <pleia2> it's like google wave on a netbook :)
[18:22] <pleia2> too much stuff for such a tiny screen
[18:22] <akgraner> ahhh
[18:22] <akgraner> is there away to zoom in on stuff