[00:00] <tgelter> should I have seen a new theme when I updated to hardy?
[00:00] <Pici> no.
[00:00] <tgelter> simple enough
[00:01] <tgelter> that'll come down the pipes at some point though, yes?
[00:01] <Tuv0k> the website has all the details about that
[00:02] <Tuv0k> ubutnu artwork, the wiki?
[00:02] <tgelter> Tuv0k: "the website"?
[00:04] <Tuv0k> http://www.breakitdownblog.com/ubuntu-804-hardy-heron-to-get-new-theme/
[00:04] <Tuv0k> why do people hate google?
[00:05] <Tuv0k> Covered in brief detail (yet to be filled out) the Ubuntu Wiki describes that every LTS (Long Term Support) release of Ubuntu, next of which will be the 8.04 release next year) should have a fresh theme to it.
[00:05] <Tuv0k> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy
[00:06] <Tuv0k> that webpage
[00:06] <Pici> Tuv0k: People come in here looking for answers, not looking for people to tell them to google it.
[00:06] <Tuv0k> ppl shoudl use googel first
[00:06] <Tuv0k> as has always been the norm
[00:06] <Tuv0k> this is the devlopemnt channel, not #ubuntu
[00:07] <Tuv0k> and, btw, he got answers
[00:07] <Tuv0k> you and he may not like those answers, but they are the correct answers
[00:07] <Tuv0k> I did not type rtfm
[00:07] <Tuv0k> or some such blow off
[00:08] <Tuv0k> I even did the work for him
[00:08] <lz7> yeah you explained it all nicely
[00:08] <Tuv0k> "nicely"
[00:09] <Tuv0k> I think he'll speak up if his feelings were hurt
[00:20] <ethana2> truecrypt finally has a gui
[00:20] <ethana2> is 5.0 it in the repos?
[00:20] <ethana2> -it*
[00:20] <Dr_willis> !info truecrypt hardy
[00:20] <ubotu> Package truecrypt does not exist in hardy
[00:20] <ethana2> ..oh
[00:20] <Dr_willis> The bot may not be updated to use hardy info yet.
[00:21] <ethana2> oh, ok
[00:21] <Dr_willis> !info kubuntu-desktop hardy
[00:21] <ubotu> kubuntu-desktop (source: kubuntu-meta): Kubuntu desktop system. In component main, is optional. Version 1.63 (hardy), package size 17 kB, installed size 44 kB
[00:21] <Dr_willis> Guess it is. :)
[00:21] <Dr_willis> !find truecrypt hardy
[00:21] <ubotu> Package/file truecrypt does not exist in hardy
[00:21] <ethana2> looks like we made our own GUI..  they did take a while..
[00:21] <ethana2> Easy Crypt..
[00:22] <ethana2> so, now that i don't have anything to hide anymore.. they have more than one gui for linux
[00:22] <ethana2> ^_^
[00:22] <Pici> Dr_willis: you dont need to specify 'hardy' for !find/!info in this channel, it knows ;)
[00:23] <Dr_willis> Pici,  i wanted to be extra sure. :P
[00:24] <ethana2> actually.. you can always come up with something worth keeping private.. like journals
[00:24] <ethana2> in any case, I'm glad we finally got this far, it's a nice development
[00:27] <lz7> omg i have reconfigured and rebooted my router during downloading daily build... and finally MD5 is correct! i can't believe...
[00:27] <Pici> lz7: the package was fixed yesterday.
[00:27] <Pici> er
[00:28] <lz7> with my slow connection i even not trying to download dvds
[00:28] <Pici> Nevermind me, I'm thinking of something else.  Too used to people asking Flash questions in #ubuntu.
[00:32] <sean_> hello
[00:33] <Helvasca> Hey, is anyone else having trouble with Network in Natilus?
[00:33] <lz7> yes its not work
[00:33] <Helvasca> k
[00:35] <lz7> !bug 185756
[00:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185756 in nautilus "Couldn't display "network:///" - Nautilus cannot handle network:locations" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185756
[00:37] <Helvasca> thanks lz7 its a big one
[00:38] <Dr_willis> I noticed that the fuse-smb tool dosent work either.
[00:39] <Helvasca> Dr_willis: reported it?
[00:40] <Dr_willis> Well it sort of worked..once.. then dident. :) then i had to go to work.
[00:40] <Dr_willis> Havent updated in 4 days. so not tried again.
[00:41] <Dr_willis> actually - it may of been it was broke on the upgrade i did.  I need to try it again on this clean install to be sure.
[00:42] <Helvasca> k
[00:52] <lime4x4> is network device handled differently in hardy compared to gusty?
[00:57] <lime4x4> trying o figure out why daul nvidia nics mcp55 ethernet nics are detected and configured but can't access the net or local network
[00:59] <Helvasca> can you connect with ifconfig?
[00:59] <lime4x4> i run ifconfig from the command line and it shows the cards
[01:00] <lime4x4> i had to install an old pci linksys network card to connect to the net
[01:01] <lime4x4> the nvidia nics worked fine in gusty just not hardy
[01:01] <lime4x4> even did a fresh install of gusty then upgraded to hardy and they stopped working
[01:01] <lime4x4> then did a fresh install of hardy
[01:04] <lime4x4> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55159/
[01:04] <brianh> lime4x4:I'm having same problem with my intel wireless - I have to configure it manually
[01:05] <brianh> lime4x4: what does ifconfig say?
[01:05] <lime4x4> i used the manual settings thru system/adminstration/network
[01:05] <lime4x4> here is a copy of the ifconfig command http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55159/
[01:06] <lime4x4> i have 2 built in nvidia nics. i have one disabled in the bios thinking that was the problem
[01:07] <lime4x4> just odd that there detected but can't use them
[01:07] <brianh> lime4x4: looks like you have 2 nics on same subnet - that could be the problem
[01:08] <lime4x4> i also had them on the same subnet with gutsy and it worked.
[01:08] <lime4x4> plus if i remove the linksys card i still can't connect to the net
[01:10] <brianh> lime4x4: strange - usually with 2 cards on same subnet it doesn't work reliably
[01:11] <lime4x4> i know but it worked fine in gutsy cause i needed 2 nics and still do
[01:11] <lime4x4> cause one nic i setup a bridge on for virtual box
[01:12] <lime4x4> but the nvidia nics didn't work once hardy was installed even when i have only on enabled
[01:19] <lime4x4> this is strange i changed the subnet of eth0 to <IP_ADDRESS>  now when i try to ping my router it can't. it's trying to use the ip of eth0
[01:19] <lime4x4> i have to sudo ifconfig eth0 down to ping my router or any computers on my network
[01:20] <verb3k> Alpha 4 gives me a resolution of 800x600 after installing Nvidia driver, while my card can handle 1024x768 , how can I fix this?
[01:20] <lime4x4> but yet when i eth0 up i can access the web
[01:21] <brianh> lime 4x4: are you using eth0 from virtual box?
[01:21] <bardyr> is anybody able to use sftp in nautilus with a different port then 22?
[01:22] <lime4x4> no i tried that as well just for the hell of it and it doesn't work
[01:22] <lime4x4> i actually removed the bridge to help diagnosis this problem
[01:24] <verb3k> anyone please?
[01:26] <lz7> what is avahi? i mean ubuntu configured eth1:avahi interface for me, but how to use it?
[01:26] <lz7> what service is available?
[01:26] <lz7> on that interface
[01:28] <verb3k> Amaranth, can you help me?
[01:54] <ethana2> i hear epiphany doesn't have a 2.21 compatible version of epiphany-extensions yet
[01:55] <Dr_willis> avahi is part of the zeroconf  auto-configuration stuff I belive. :) not really sure how/what it does.
[01:55] <Dr_willis> one of those works in progress things I belive.
[01:55] <Dr_willis> But hes gone.. so phhhhhhht. :)
[01:58] <unagi> is hibernation slated to be fixed for those with problems in the next release?
[01:58] <RAOF> Hibernation will be "fixed" when laptop manufacturers follow standards.
[01:59] <RAOF> I'd expect more laptops to work correctly, though.
[01:59] <RAOF> unagi: You might want to see Matthew Garrett's LCA talk, however, which dealt with exactly that.
[02:00] <Helvasca> there is a way to get it working using s2hdd or something like that
[02:01] <RAOF> For sufficiently woolly definitions of "it", I think.
[02:02] <Helvasca> mmm its not an ideal fix
[02:02] <RAOF> There are a variety of suspend/hibernate frameworks, and different ones seem to work better for different hardware.
[02:02] <Helvasca> its what we have to live with
[02:05] <q_a_z_steve> ok, so I tried to jump from dapper to alpha 4... X is obviously out of the question for now. My question, then is: How do I get dpkg --configure -a to run successfully to fix that which definitely didn't install correctly prior to my reboot (which was necessary due to power issues in my area)
[02:05] <q_a_z_steve> What can I tell you about what I see, in order for some help
[02:05] <q_a_z_steve> ?
[02:12] <q_a_z_steve> RAOF: can you help me get eth0 back?
[02:15]  * DanaG uses suspend to RAM.
[02:16] <DanaG> It works sometimes, but other times it doesn't.
[02:22] <lz7> hardy keep forgeting keyboard layout switching keys, i have to recheck it to work
[02:23] <ethana2> lz7: what layout?
[02:24] <lz7> usa/rus, and i use alt_shift to switch
[02:24] <ethana2> oh, ok
[02:24] <ethana2> the keyboard layout system in hardy does seem a bit problematic
[02:25] <ethana2> i would expect many major issues to be fixed by alpha5
[02:25] <lz7> nice
[02:26] <ethana2> if all your problems remain the same major ones, you don't get enough focus on minor regressions and such
[02:26] <ethana2> i understand they prioritize well
[02:27] <ethana2> of course, that also means that our problem likely won't be fixed until Screens and Graphics and networking in nautilus work again
[02:27] <DanaG> I've also had it not remember my layout.
[02:27] <DanaG> Oh, and Timidity keeps freezing.
[02:28] <ethana2> timidity?  midi player?
[02:28] <DanaG> I'll ctrl-backslash it to try to get a core dump, but it doesn't give me one.
[02:28] <DanaG> Yes, midi player.
[02:28] <ethana2> ooh, i like the idea of playing source files
[02:28] <ethana2> instead of compiled sound files ;)
[02:29] <ethana2> maybe i just want a media player that can do rosegarden project files ^_^
[02:32] <DanaG> I hate-eth the new CFS scheduler.
[02:32] <DanaG> Makes Compiz slower; makes unminimizing windows in Compiz make all of Compiz freeze for a moment; makes Timidity freeze; makes audio drop out (in PulseAudio, and even in bare ALSA if I close my lid).
[02:33] <shirish> guys why is it that I'm not getting any updates to the grub2 package :(
[02:35] <lz7> does gnome trying to switch to SI ? my 250 gb drives now showing on my desktop like "250.1 gb media" and not a 232 gb like was before... and, some programs use gibi... probably better user to decide for all programs, like if he prefer giga or gibi
[02:37] <lz7> good size of files still in old school kilobytes =)
[02:38] <shirish> ! info grub2
[02:38] <ubotu> grub2 (source: grub2): GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (dummy package). In component universe, is extra. Version 1.95+20071101-1 (hardy), package size 3 kB, installed size 84 kB (Only available for i386 kfreebsd-i386 hurd-i386 amd64 kfreebsd-amd64 powerpc ppc64)
[02:39] <shirish> see, it still shows the 1.95+20071101-1 version & not the 1.96+2008020? don't remember the exact date but something like that. It did get built yesterday.
[02:40] <RAOF> lz7: I think there's a general, low-grade push for SI over powers-of-two-that-are-close-to-powers-of-ten.  But no one's pushing it particularly hard.
[02:40] <RAOF> !info grub-pc hardy
[02:40] <ubotu> grub-pc (source: grub2): GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (PC/BIOS version). In component universe, is extra. Version 1.95+20071101-1 (hardy), package size 848 kB, installed size 2356 kB (Only available for i386 kfreebsd-i386 hurd-i386 amd64 kfreebsd-amd64 powerpc ppc64)
[02:40] <DanaG> Is there a "what opens this type of file" app?
[02:40] <DanaG> I wanna find out what to open AutoCAD dwg files with.
[02:40] <RAOF> DanaG: There's xdg-open, which will *open* them for you.  Maybe it's got a --which switch?
[02:40] <shirish> RAOF: Can u find about what blocks grub-pc hardy for the jump
[02:41] <DanaG> Nope, doesn't work for not-installed apps.
[02:41] <RAOF> DanaG: Of course; it doesn't have their mime-types registered!
[02:42] <DanaG> That's the point: I want to find out what package will provide something to open it.
[02:42] <shirish> RAOF: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/1.96+20080203-1
[02:42] <RAOF> That sounds like a job for gnome-app-install!  Or possibly command-not-found...
[02:43] <RAOF> DanaG: That would be an excellent feature, and if it doesn't already exist it would not be *too* hard to implement.
[02:43] <RAOF> Of course, if it doesn't exist now it's not going to be in Hardy, but it could make Hardy+1.
[02:43] <DanaG> gnome-app-install --mime-type=AutoCAD
[02:43] <DanaG> not offering packages for AutoCAD
[02:43] <DanaG> no entry in mime map
[02:44] <DanaG> (got "AutoCAD" from 'file')
[02:45] <DanaG> Gaack, I'm also getting momentary freezes on maximizing things.
[02:45] <RAOF> shirish: Looks like it's just waiting in the new queue; it'll get through there sometime.
[02:45] <DanaG> All of compiz will freeze for a split second when I unminimize stuff.
[02:45] <lz7> actually drives showing like 250 on desktop but like 232 in "Places" at the same time... :/
[02:46]  * DanaG has a redundant "Bookmarks" folder with an out-of-place old-looking icon.
[02:47] <DanaG> Oh, and every time I unminimize an app, compiz-fusion moves around the snowglobe's ground.
[02:47] <lz7> btw compiz 0.7 is out
[02:48] <RAOF> ...And in Hardy
[02:48]  * RAOF is obviously out of touch with the cool compiz users.  "Snowglobe"?
[02:49] <lz7> already? you mean pre-release version? and... title windows artefacts is still there
[02:49] <DanaG>  aptitude changelog compiz                      Ign ChangeLog of compiz        E: Couldn't fetch URL http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs       /pool/main/c/compiz/compiz_0.7.0-0ubuntu1/changelog        E: Couldn't find a changelog for compiz
[02:50] <RAOF> lz7: You mean the clearlooks bug that's... a clearlooks bug? :)
[02:50] <lz7> dissapearing maximize/close buttons
[02:51] <RAOF> Yah.  From memory, that's a clearlooks bug?
[02:51] <lz7> how to know what version of compiz i running? i tried compiz --version, it says compiz 0.5.5 ??
[02:51] <lz7> i dont know
[02:51] <ethana2> it should be 0.7 new
[02:52] <ethana2> now*
[02:52] <Dr_willis> i though .7 just came out
[02:52] <ethana2> Do the MOTU need any help with it?
[02:52] <ethana2> yes
[02:52] <RAOF> Heh.  "compiz --version" says "metacity 2.21.8" for me :P
[02:52] <Dr_willis> like came out today... :)
[02:52] <ethana2> yes ^_^
[02:52] <Dr_willis> they added it to the repo that fast eh.
[02:52] <ethana2> maybe i overestimate the speed of source
[02:53] <ethana2> i don't know; i would think it was awesome if they had
[02:53] <ethana2> for hardy alpha anyway
[02:53] <RAOF> The Ubuntu compiz packagers are fairly heavily involved upstream.
[02:53] <ethana2> sweet-- now the KDE folks were talking about some wm shortcomings of compiz
[02:53] <ethana2> anyone know what they were talking about?
[02:54] <RAOF> It doesn't have a context menu with 13 different window options? :P
[02:54]  * Dr_willis has no clue.
[02:54] <Dr_willis> :
[02:54] <RAOF> It's not as complete a window manager as, say, metacity.  There are still some corner cases it doesn't handle as well.
[02:54] <lz7> what problem i have with compiz is games freeze X with effects enabled
[02:55] <lz7> maybe its fixed in 0.7
[02:55] <ethana2> like snap to on bottom and top simultaneously freaking out?
[02:55] <RAOF> Right.  Not actually a Compiz problem, likely.
[02:55] <ethana2> i usually switch from compiz before executing GL games like trem
[02:55] <Dr_willis> ive had windows do a mazamize animation.. and get stuck wiggling about for a few min. :)
[02:55] <RAOF> ethana2: That'd be a wobbly bug; that works OK with non-wobbly windows :)
[02:55] <ethana2> is this actually needed?
[02:56] <ethana2> hmmmm.. i don't use wobbly
[02:56] <ethana2> due to what Dr_willis just said happening to me a lot
[02:56] <RAOF> ethana2: It shouldn't be, but X & driver (& compiz) bugs exist.
[02:56] <ethana2> yeah..
[02:56] <ethana2> wait, it doesn't even need two edges to do that
[02:57] <ethana2> it just freaks out when i try to pull a window along an edge
[02:57] <ethana2> keeps resetting my cursor location
[02:57] <ethana2> as if the window is resisting me, you know
[02:57] <Dr_willis> Resistance is Futile!
[02:57] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:58] <ethana2> you know how the wobbly thing resist ones cursor?
[02:58] <lz7> !bug 153857
[02:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 153857 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "[rv350] games crash X or freeze system if compiz is turned on" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153857
[02:58] <ethana2> i don't see a point to that, ever
[02:59] <ethana2> well why would i even want my DE in RAM while playing a game?
[02:59] <ethana2> the ps3 doesn't have enough ram for that
[02:59] <ethana2> once they get GL up on gallium on the SPE's, that will be an issue
[02:59] <ethana2> the whole DE should hibernate- gaming mode
[02:59] <ethana2> the best of consoles, the best of the desktop, 15 seconds away from eachother
[03:02] <ethana2> i love ideapool...
[03:03] <shiris1> RAOF: Is there a way to see the queue as to what updates are coming up next & when?
[03:04] <ethana2> well
[03:04] <ethana2> that would siphon effort off of actually /making them happen/, imo..
[03:05] <shiris1> or anybody else if they know, ethana2 & DanaG
[03:05] <DanaG> Well, there's probably a list of what's been committed but not yet compiled, or compiled but not yet been sent to mirrors.
[03:05] <RAOF> shiris1: No.
[03:09] <DanaG> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Hardy-changes
[03:09] <DanaG> there.
[03:10] <RAOF> Not quite, IIRC.  That's a mailing-list version of the upload notification.  Those packages may well still be stuck in the new queue for an indeterminate period of time.
[03:13] <shirish> DanaG: RAOF is right, I got the notification on the ML about 15 hours ago, the same one which u are talking about.
[03:15] <shirish> RAOF: just like the build queue it would be nicer if there was an updates queue which one could look into :(
[03:16] <RAOF> The new queue is what you're after, but it's not necessarily done in that order and it's got no ETA on it.
[03:16] <shirish> RAOF: so the only thing one can do is sit, wait, pray & hope it comes ?
[03:17] <RAOF> It's going to come (presumably; unless it gets rejected), but yes.  It gets done when it gets done.
[03:18] <shirish> hmm.... ok it comes when it comes.
[03:22] <lz7> cat /proc/cpuinfo showing incorrect cpu speed 1200 idle or 1800 on load, this is default values, but cpu is overclocled, it should be 1600 and 2400. and kern.log showing "time.c: detected 2401.920 MHz processor" cpu is core 2 duo
[03:23] <lz7> mmm showing=shows
[03:24] <RAOF> It's probably reporting what the ACPI tables (or whatever it is) report your throttling states are, and hence doesn't know you've voided your warrantee :)
[04:08] <theacolyte> so does hardy support nvidia 8800 cards?
[04:38] <RAOF> thecrypto: Yes, it does support 8800 cards.  You either want nvidia-glx-new (binary blob), xserver-xorg-video-nv (open source, no 3d), or you can try xserver-xorg-video-nouveau from my PPA, which may well not quite work right.
[05:14] <ethana2> my sister got a virus
[05:14] <ethana2> on her windows machine
[05:14] <ethana2> natures way of saying 'get a better frigging operating system!'
[05:17] <DanaG> Anybody know where to find fontconfig  2.5.0-2ubuntu1?
[05:17] <DanaG> That's the last version that had working 'legacy' hinting.
[05:18] <DarkMageZ> DanaG, source or binary package?
[05:18] <DanaG> Either is fine, as long as I'd be able to build the source.
[05:19] <DarkMageZ> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/2.5.0-2ubuntu1
[05:19] <DarkMageZ> they've even got the binary packages ?
[05:20] <DanaG> I don't know, actually.
[05:21] <DanaG> And I don't know how to build from those three files.
[05:22] <DarkMageZ> DanaG, this might be more useful for you then,https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/2.5.0-2ubuntu1/+build/463973
[05:22] <DarkMageZ> click resulting binaries :p
[05:22] <DanaG> OOh, thanks!
[05:23] <DanaG> What is 'udeb'?
[05:23] <DarkMageZ> ignore udeb unless you know what it is
[05:24] <DanaG> Aah, that's a good answer.
[05:24] <DanaG> And I just read the description: Minimal.  (Probably for the Debian installer mode that looks like X but really isn't.)
[05:25] <RAOF> DanaG: Indeed; they're packages for the installer.
[05:26] <DanaG> I've also wondered what that pinkish theme in the Debian Etch installer (I tried in a VM a while ago) is.   ME SMASH Xorg!
[06:18] <DanaG> I am sick and tired of my ******* keys getting stuck!
[06:20] <Assid> DanaG: i got a shift and enter key thatd oes that
[06:20] <Assid> err.. brb.. more issues
[06:20] <ethana2> i've learned not to use my backspace
[06:20] <ethana2> ^_^
[06:22] <DanaG> Well, at least my fonts are back to the way I like them.
[06:22] <DanaG> I had to go back to the Feisty debs.
[06:26] <DanaG> AND AGAIN!
[06:28] <q_a_z_steve> http://qaz.pastebin.org/18670
[06:28] <Assid> sup DanaG
[06:29] <DanaG> Just "Super".
[06:29] <DanaG> "Super" keeps getting stuck.
[06:29] <DanaG> And it's kinda' hard to type with 'super' stuck down.
[06:29] <Assid> hehe
[06:29] <hydrogen> meh
[06:29] <Assid> new keyboard time
[06:29] <hydrogen> alt gets stuck here
[06:29] <Assid> btw: any of you guys use mythtv?
[06:30] <Assid> everytime i click on watch tv .. it just refreshes.. and does nothing
[06:30] <DanaG> It's not my keyboard.
[06:30] <DanaG> It's Xorg.
[06:30] <DanaG> Ctrl-alt-backspace fixes it.
[06:30] <DanaG> That's why I keep popping out and in.
[06:30] <DanaG> Every single one of those times was 'super' (or 'super' and 'shift') getting stuck.
[06:30] <Tuv0k> Assid, /join #ubuntu-mythtv
[06:30] <Tuv0k> but yes I use it
[06:30] <Tuv0k> all the time
[06:31] <Assid> Tuv0k: im there.. but having no luck
[06:31] <Assid> i got a hauppage 150
[06:31] <Tuv0k> me too
[06:31] <Assid> everything seems fine but when i click on watch tv.. it just refreshes
[06:32] <Tuv0k> I don't see you in that channel?
[06:32] <Tuv0k> however
[06:32] <Tuv0k> remove and readd your card to the backend
[06:32] <Assid> oh wait.. ubuntu-mythtv
[06:32] <Assid> i was in mythtv-users
[06:32] <Tuv0k> yes
[06:32] <Assid> err.. it detects my card fine
[06:32] <Assid> thats the funny part
[06:33] <Tuv0k> thats beside my point
[06:33] <Tuv0k> try it, then report
[06:33] <Assid> according to system status.. my tuner status is unavailable
[06:33] <Assid> eh ?
[06:34] <Tuv0k> precisey
[06:34] <Assid> resetup?
[06:34] <Tuv0k> are you going to now heed the advice which you sought?
[06:35] <lz7> i was waiting for more than 1 year for linux to support my tv-tuner lol pathetic
[06:35] <Tuv0k> hyperbole
[06:35] <lz7> and it is not in 7.10 yet, only in hardy
[06:36] <Tuv0k> should have bought a supported card
[06:36] <DanaG> stupid xorg.
[06:36] <Tuv0k> not the other way around
[06:36] <Assid> err. let me first check if the darn cable wire is working.. i just added it and "crimped it" never really tested it
[06:37] <Tuv0k> lol
[06:37] <Assid> electrician said "should work "
[06:37] <Tuv0k> are thedirections I gave too involved?
[06:37] <Tuv0k> I have the same card
[06:37] <Assid> removing and re-adding ?
[06:37] <Assid> i set it up for client server
[06:37] <Tuv0k> I told you what was required, yet you dally?
[06:37] <lz7> and btw hardy not supported my tv-tuner yet lol, only s-video input...
[06:38] <lz7> but it is ok, i use tv-tuner only to play ps2 on my pc
[06:38] <Assid> Tuv0k: when it was scanning.. it found some channels..,  so i just dont get how the status goes off
[06:38] <Assid> but ok.. removing and re-adding
[06:38] <Assid> brb
[06:39] <Tuv0k> you have to log out to do that?
[06:39] <lz7> no i know i should check my hardware for compatibility with linux, but how to check it? i doubt any vendor tell that
[06:39] <lz7> no=now
[06:40] <lz7> before i buy
[06:40] <Tuv0k> nonsense
[06:40] <Tuv0k> how about checking mythtvs website?
[06:40] <Tuv0k> like most ppl do?
[06:40] <Tuv0k> you know, reading
[06:41] <lz7> hauppage even not selling in my country
[06:41] <DanaG> Oh, for **** sake, when will the keyboard insanity end?
[06:41] <lz7> and to be compatible, you need OLD models
[06:41] <lz7> they not selling anymore, and i want new
[06:41] <Tuv0k> what country you live in where you can't order from ebay?
[06:42] <lz7> i dont buy ebay stuff
[06:42] <Tuv0k> lol
[06:42] <DanaG> AND AGAIN!
[06:42] <DanaG> AND AGAIN!
[06:42] <DanaG> AND AGAIN!
[06:51] <DanaG> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10050544/fonts.png
[06:51] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/153412
[06:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 153412 in ubuntu "inferior subpixel hinting on gutsy compared to previous versions of Ubuntu - no way to revert to previous hinting method" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[06:52] <DarkMageZ> DanaG, having fun with fonts?
[06:52] <Assid> back
[06:52] <Assid> okay it seems it was on /dev/video1 now no more video0
[06:52] <ethana2> oh hey, do we have a list of acpi hardware we have drivers for?
[06:52] <DanaG> More like, having fun with my damn Super key.
[06:52] <Assid> so i fixed that.. and also rebooted.. seems to show up ok.. BUT i still get the watch live to only refresh
[06:52] <DarkMageZ> lol. don't you mean Windows Key :p
[06:53] <ethana2> super
[06:53] <ethana2> when windows has long died, we won't have to change the name that way
[06:53] <ethana2> ;)
[06:54] <DarkMageZ> the only way microsoft could fold is if the USA collapsed AND then it suffered a lack of customers
[06:55] <DarkMageZ> they can continue their business purely off the interest from the bank :p
[06:55] <Assid> err. who was i speaking to?
[06:55] <Assid> i gotta do something about my memory
[06:56] <lz7> use logs!
[06:56] <Assid> just installed kvirc :(
[06:56] <ethana2> DarkMageZ: i said windows, not microsoft
[06:56] <ethana2> DarkMageZ: although i would like to see them both go, I guess
[06:57] <DanaG> Oh hey, did anybody else here like the Feisty font rendering better than the Gutsy font rendering?
[06:57] <Assid> oh found it.. Tuv0k
[06:57] <DarkMageZ> ethana2, that's an interesting thought. microsoft dropping their windows product.
[06:57] <DarkMageZ> you'd require some massive market shifting.
[06:58] <DanaG> damnflabbit.
[06:58] <ethana2> DarkMageZ: like the massive shift to OSX and Linux, that would do it ;)
[06:58] <DanaG> And it happened AGAIN.
[06:58] <DanaG> It's like russian roulette pressing the damn key.
[06:58] <ethana2> back in 30, taking shower
[06:58] <DanaG> s/damn/super/
[06:59] <DarkMageZ> ethana2, you'd need to develop an active directory replacement, so that businesses would transition.
[06:59] <lz7> OSX? "Many popular operating system platforms -- most notably Windows and Macintosh -- are in fact created by agents of mind control."
[07:03] <DanaG> Fonts are still ugly!
[07:04] <Assid> Tuv0k: i did what you asked me to do.. but i still cant see it
[07:04] <DanaG> I want my nice crisp rendering back (i.e. why do you need to put colors to the sides of already perfectly vertical lines?)
[07:04] <Assid> ethana2: thats mostly because people are pissed off with windows
[07:04] <DanaG> s/i.e./e.g./  (ignore the fact that '.' is a wildcard.)
[07:05] <lz7> DanaG: what is with your fonts? mine are ok
[07:05] <DanaG> It's personal preference.
[07:05] <DanaG> I loved the font rendering in Feisty, but since then, it's become more like Cleartype: fringey and eyestrainey.
[07:06] <Assid> DanaG: on ?
[07:06] <DanaG> on?   RGB, VRGB, BGR, VBGR?
[07:13] <DanaG> It's NOT the **** keyboard.
[07:13] <lz7> mmm i see, anything but RGB makes my letters colored
[07:13] <DanaG> And the font rendering is a deliberate change in rendering method in the fontconfig libraries.
[07:18] <lz7> i like to see more fonts, it looks like i use serif for system, for chat, for web... and some web fonts are heavily broken... probably trying to reproduce some MS fonts
[07:22] <lz7> but some fonts in ubuntu better than in windoze
[07:22] <ethana2> i moved hundreds of fonts over
[07:22] <lz7> like on dailytech.com
[07:23] <ethana2> i had lord of the rings and halo and star wars fonts... ^_^
[07:24] <lz7> well... probably web uses less than 5 fonts... all sites
[07:25] <lz7> most use times new roman
[07:25] <lz7> and thats all
[07:30] <anime> hardy + compiz == no window decorations... hints?
[07:32] <ethana2> False.
[07:32] <anime> GConf backend: There is an unsupported value at path /apps/compiz/plugins/scale/allscreens/options/initiate_edge. Settings from this path won't be read. Try to remove that value so that operation can continue properly.
[07:32] <ethana2> did you mean 'hardy + compiz != window decorations'?
[07:33] <anime> for me, no the first was correct
[07:33] <anime> the state of not having them :P
[07:33] <ethana2> lol
[07:33] <ethana2> == is a question
[07:33] <ethana2> wait, what language?
[07:33] <ethana2> nevermind.
[07:33] <anime> == means exactly equals
[07:33] <anime> mirc?
[07:33]  * anime shrugs
[07:33] <anime> w/e
[07:33] <ethana2> yes.  well, /apps confuses me
[07:34] <anime> hehe
[07:34] <ethana2> where is that?
[07:34] <anime> lets see.. /me taks look at scale
[07:34] <ethana2> only in gconf?
[07:34] <anime> dunno
[07:34] <anime> something about scale
[07:34] <ethana2> opening it
[07:34] <ethana2> yes
[07:34] <ethana2> okay, open the gnome config editor
[07:34] <ethana2> then follow that path
[07:34] <ethana2> and do something about that bad key
[07:35] <ethana2> so when gnome has a full blown registry, will that be a good thing or a bad thing?  ^_^
[07:36] <anime> heh
[07:36] <anime> probably bad
[07:36] <Assid> anime: emerald --replace &
[07:36] <Assid> run that
[07:37] <anime> doesnt do anything
[07:37] <anime> no errors either
[07:37] <anime> tried playing with window decorations to no effect
[07:37] <anime> nvidia restricted driver on
[07:37] <anime> shoot i gotta exe copmiz via a skip_tests or w/e
[07:37] <anime> [well technically thru the fusion-icon but same difference]
[07:38] <Assid> anime: metacity --replace &
[07:38] <anime> yeah i know how to get out of it
[07:38] <anime> i want the decorations actually working lol
[07:38] <Assid> apt-get install emerald
[07:38] <anime> got it
[07:38] <anime> grabbed some themes too
[07:39] <Assid> and emerald --replace & doesnt do anything for you?
[07:39] <anime> doesnt work under gtk or emerald
[07:39] <anime> Assid, correct
[07:39] <Assid> have you restarted X after you loaded emerald ?
[07:39] <anime> mm
[07:39] <lz7> where i can get more themes for hardy
[07:39] <anime> i spose we could try that one
[07:39] <anime> lz7, install gnome-art
[07:39] <lz7> thank i try that
[07:40] <Assid> i wish the usplash would be as per the resolution of X instead of 1024x768
[07:40] <Assid> or whatever that ubuntu loader is called
[07:41] <Assid> also.. anyone know how to set numlock to be ON  when ubuntu starts
[07:41] <lz7> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NumLock
[07:41] <Assid> merci
[07:42] <Assid> how come gnome doesnt have a nice gui for this like kde does?
[07:42] <lz7> dont know about that problem i always control my numlock in bios and set it to off
[07:43] <anime> so yeah that didnt work
[07:43] <anime> lz7, numlockx
[07:43] <anime> turns on auto ?
[07:44] <Assid> anime: supposed to
[07:44] <anime> didnt work eh
[07:45] <anime> btw smplayer is awesome front end to mplayer which in turn is full of win
[07:45] <anime> :D
[07:45] <Assid> win?
[07:45] <lz7> does it support grabbing s-video tvtuner input like original mplayer?
[07:45] <Assid> okay not sure if this is a smartt move.. moved my desktop to hardy.. and its my primary work desktop
[07:46] <DarkMageZ> Assid, i did the same at alpha 2 :p
[07:47] <Assid> err.. how do i allow
[07:47] <Assid> sorry
[07:47] <Assid> how do i allow listening vnc connections..
[07:48] <Assid> like i am on a public ip.. but i got some clients on a nat.. on windows..i have themn use ultravnc.. and i enable "listening vnc viewer"
[07:48] <Assid> basically they add client.. and i connect to them
[07:48] <lz7> omg gnome art just downloaded 240 themes... if i try all of them i will die
[07:50] <lz7> i guees it is what i asked "more themes" lol
[07:56] <ethana2> ooh!
[07:56] <qzio> is there any known issues with gnome-appearance-properties?
[07:56] <ethana2> it can add themes?
[07:57] <ethana2> ..I'm about to find out, qzio ^_^
[07:58] <ethana2> well, it died
[07:58] <ethana2> if that counts
[07:59] <ethana2> hey, did you guys hear?
[07:59] <ethana2> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/18/technology/18blue.html?ex=1347768000&en=964b86595626bd78&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss
[07:59] <ethana2> about time :)  This is awesome
[07:59] <ethana2> wow, that's old
[08:00] <ethana2> but i just now came across it.  ..disregard..   but it's still awesome
[08:01] <lz7> another openoffice?
[08:02] <lz7> or is it not java based?
[08:02] <ethana2> That's from last year-- the IBM OO.o derivative
[08:02] <ethana2> and they gave their full backing to .odt
[08:02] <ethana2> it's mostly the same code I think
[08:02] <ethana2> and for some reason it showed up in my gmail feed today
[08:02] <ethana2> what the heck.
[08:03] <ethana2> ohhhhh....  that was just an article on OSNews related to the Blue Gene internet thing.. I see
[08:04] <ethana2> I got too excited to realize it was 3 months in the past
[08:04] <ethana2> but seeing as its ramifications will shape our future, I declare it 'current news'..
[08:05] <lz7> i even not understand and never was able to understand what is all about MS Office, adn OOO is bloated and slow... i wrote all my essays for years in simple notepad like editor
[08:05] <ethana2> If you don't use the DE to do the work
[08:05] <ethana2> bloat is inevitable
[08:05] <ethana2> ..and Java, well, there you go
[08:06] <ethana2> Wait, can you compile Java?
[08:08] <void^> java is compiled to a platform independent bytecode
[08:09] <ethana2> then it doesn't run /on/ the CPU
[08:09] <ethana2> which is instantly horrible
[08:10] <ethana2> if you really wanted to, could you compile it to x86 or ppc with the gnu compiler collection?
[08:11] <void^> just in time compilation is used
[08:11] <void^> microsoft has implemented the same thing in .net (which everyone seems to love)
[08:11] <ethana2> firefox went through this
[08:11] <ethana2> they learned their lesson
[08:12] <ethana2> jack of all platforms, master of none
[08:12] <ethana2> ..and until FF3 is out, I think I shall use epiphany
[08:13] <RAOF> ethana2: Incidentally, JIT compiled code can be faster than precompiled code.  You can do more fancy optimisation.
[08:13] <lz7> void^: "do like we said, not like we do" does MS office 2007 .NET based?
[08:13] <ethana2> iinteresting
[08:14] <ethana2> but OO.o doesn't work with the global menu bar
[08:15] <ethana2> I mean, I don't know about the mac one, but it doesn't work with the one for gnome
[08:20] <ethana2> ..installing abiword
[08:20] <RAOF> ethana2: That would be because the global menu bar is a pretty much unsupported Gnome hack, probably :)
[08:21] <lz7> how to install theme with gnome-art? i click install, it do nothing
[08:21] <ethana2> RAOF: it won't be for long
[08:21] <ethana2> gnome-art?
[08:22] <RAOF> gnome-art?
[08:22] <ethana2> if you're in appearances
[08:22] <ethana2> install wants a file stored locally
[08:22] <RAOF> lz7: Sorry, I know what you're talking about now.
[08:22] <ethana2> if you haven't downloaded a theme, you have nothing
[08:22] <RAOF> lz7: Last time I checked, it was fairly easy?
[08:23] <lz7>  ethana2: i'll try that
[08:23] <lz7> RAOF: i can't understand
[08:24] <RAOF> lz7: You're thinking System->Preferences->Art Manager, yes?
[08:24] <lz7> yes
[08:24] <ethana2> wow, i don't have that
[08:24] <ethana2> but it sounds like it's awesome, i've wanted it
[08:24] <ethana2> i'll see if i can add it
[08:24] <RAOF> aptitude install gnome-art
[08:25] <RAOF> Heh.  Downloading background 44/12
[08:25] <ethana2> found it
[08:25] <ethana2> but thanks, RAOF ;)
[08:26] <ethana2> ooh, this should be awesome ^_^
[08:26] <lz7> oh i managed to get it to wok, yes it look cool
[08:26] <lz7> wok=work
[08:27] <ethana2> 181
[08:27] <ethana2> ...sweeeeeet
[08:27] <ethana2> oh man, I have so wanted this
[08:28]  * ethana2 cackles to himself
[08:30] <ethana2> man, this is awesome!  /Serious/ props to whoever coded this
[08:30] <ethana2> I _love_ you
[08:30] <ethana2> ..in a .. not wierd.. way
[08:30] <ethana2> of course
[08:55] <ethana2> almost done downloading 1208 backgrounds...
[09:20] <lz7> http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2008/02/04/new-theme-for-ubuntu-804-deferred/
[10:04] <mrtimdog> Has anyone else seen this error: gstreamer plugin 'playbin' not found? It's from gmusicbrowser trying to use the perl gstreamer stuff.
[10:09] <Helvasca> have you made sure its installed?
[10:13] <mrtimdog> Hi. Yes, it's installed.
[10:15] <mrtimdog> playbin plugin is part of gstreamer0.10-plugins-base.
[10:32] <mrtimdog> Ok, so gst-launch-0.10 playbin uri=... works, could be a libgstreamer-perl problem...
[11:17] <Le-Chuck_IT1> Hi all. Is it normal that if I put tomboy in my session it opens the search window, and if I start it from my terminal after login it will not?
[11:39] <assid> heya
[11:41] <Assid> err.. can someone help me configure my webcam
[11:41] <Assid> kopete doesnt really activate it
[11:41] <rsk> !webcam
[11:41] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[11:46] <Assid> i got one of them cheap chinese makes
[11:47] <Assid> also the other day i had someone webcam with me.. i couldnt see them
[12:12] <Assid> is there any wy to get these cheap chinese webcams to work?
[12:12] <Assid> windows used to detect it as a HP webcam
[12:12] <Assid> !webcams
[12:12] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[12:50] <dholbach> MOTU Q&A session in #ubuntu-classroom in 9 minutes
[12:51] <Dr_Willis> MOTU?
[12:51] <Dr_Willis> :)
[12:51] <dholbach> Masters of the Universe! :)
[12:51] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted :)
[12:51] <Dr_Willis> That like the He-Man Womans haters club?
[12:51] <Dr_Willis> :)
[12:52] <Pici> Dr_Willis: as in the Universe repositories.
[12:52] <dholbach> Dr_Willis: errr, whatever the club you're talking about, it's not the one I refer to :)
[12:53] <Dr_Willis> dholbach,  dont rember the old 'our-gang'   show eh. :) with spanky and alfafa and buckwheat.
[12:53]  * Dr_Willis is showing his age.
[13:00] <tretle> hey..... I'm using hardy and there seems to be an old bug which has cropped up again with rhythm box detecting itself as a upnp media server.
[13:00] <tretle> Im new to coherence but I know that the ip loopback adress is definately wrong
[13:00] <tretle> <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:00] <tretle> should be <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:01] <tretle> this is why hardy is not compatible with the ps3 as a media server right now
[13:01] <muszek> is GVFS still unstable?  right after alpha4 came out I was advised against upgrading from Gutsy because I could lose data.
[13:02] <tretle> when you change it to <IP_ADDRESS> the ps3 see's rhythmbox's upnp media server and you are able to stream music from ubuntu to the ps3
[13:02] <tretle> I had fixed this issue before but cant seem to find where the coherence.config file is anymore
[13:03] <tretle> I thought I would say somethig here to raise awareness of the issue and let people know why their ps3's arnt picking up coherence
[13:03] <tretle> Id say the xbox360 has the same issue though im not 100% as i dont own one
[13:31] <DrPHP> err.. the latest update broke my install
[13:31] <selckin> fix it
[13:31] <DrPHP> cant
[13:31] <DrPHP> grub is gone loco
[13:32] <DrPHP> all i did was try to suspend ... and after that itsgone nuts
[13:32] <DrPHP> after trying to suspend. the cursor just kept blinking.. soi said oh crap.. and pressed the reboot button
[13:32] <DrPHP> after that.. grub doesnt wanna boot into the kernel
[13:32] <DrPHP> says something like cylinder is bigger than what bios supports
[13:33] <DrPHP> after a few dozen restarts.. i am now getting error 16
[13:33] <DrPHP> actually around 5-8 restarts
[13:34] <DrPHP> and i can no longer boot into windows either .. cause grub refuses to do its magic
[13:34] <DrPHP> okay i finally got the boot menu
[13:34] <DrPHP> error 18: selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by bios
[13:35] <DrPHP> it used to work.. i was just on the machine
[13:37] <DrPHP> selckin: any idea?
[13:39] <tretle> did u try editing grub?
[13:39] <tretle> the e button
[13:39] <DrPHP> well i dont know what to do there
[13:39] <DrPHP> i tried e.. then typed reboot
[13:39] <tretle> if its (hd1,1) change it to (hd0,1) and press b
[13:39] <DrPHP> machine rebooted.. and things got worse
[13:40] <DrPHP> not getting grub anymore.. now im getting error 16.. no more grub menu
[13:40] <DrPHP> i gottta reboot a few dozen times then it may work
[13:40] <selckin> boot with a livecd and check if your hs isn't dead
[13:41] <DrPHP> when i was in grub.. i was able to type kernel / <tab> and it showed me the files fine
[13:41] <DrPHP> that was during the other error
[13:42] <tretle> when you get into the grub menu just highlight whichever one you want to boot, press e press e again and change the harddrive map (hd1,1) and experiment usually either hd0 or hd1 though an, the fact that ur dual booting windows makes me think you followed the guide that switched around these headers so whenever you get a grub update you will need to change them arund again
[13:43] <DrPHP> but it had come up for a few times earlier
[13:44] <DrPHP> thats the real odd part
[13:44] <DrPHP> and i was able to boot windows at the very least
[13:44] <DrPHP> it keeps going between error 16 and error 18
[13:45] <tretle> hmmmm... u couldalways just try letting your pc cool off and plugging it out for awhile....... sounds crazy but sometimes it helps
[13:45] <tretle> with hardware issues that is
[13:45] <DrPHP> now i got read error
[13:45] <DrPHP> ^%&^%$W@
[13:45] <tretle> that sounds exactly like the issue i said earlier
[13:46] <tretle> I suffer from it myself
[13:46] <DrPHP> cooling?
[13:46] <tretle> anytime a new kernal is upped i need to modify grub to boot up again
[13:46] <DrPHP> your kidding me right?
[13:46] <DrPHP> oh
[13:46] <DrPHP> fark so im screwed..
[13:46] <tretle> !grub
[13:46] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[13:46] <DrPHP> live cd.. edit grub
[13:47] <tretle> dont even need a live cd
[13:47] <DrPHP> i dont get to the menu anymore
[13:47] <DrPHP> it dies before that
[13:47] <tretle> then u do need it :D
[13:49] <DrPHP> oh yeah and the new kernel (i booted once with it)
[13:49] <DrPHP> it happened AFTER i tried to use suspend
[13:50] <DrPHP> okay you wanna know something crazy
[13:50] <DrPHP> i removed the power and sata cable.. put it back
[13:50] <DrPHP> and it worked
[13:50] <DrPHP> hardware issue ?
[13:50] <selckin> yea
[13:50] <DrPHP> crap. thats my main drive
[13:51] <tretle> start backing up then
[13:51] <tretle>  :D
[13:51] <selckin> time to backup
[13:51] <DrPHP> i just did!
[13:51] <DrPHP> i just formatted and installed this
[13:51] <muszek> tretle, DrPHP: about that "every time kernel upgraded, I had to edit menu.lst" issue.  I've had the same problem on my old desktop (I think it started appearing around late hoary/early breezy).  I managed too fix it (afair some command in menu.lst), but can't really tell you, as I don't own that computer anymore.
[13:52] <DrPHP> and its a new drive
[13:52] <selckin> could have been just the cable being loose
[13:52] <DrPHP> they wont accept it for warranty.. cause it starts up fine
[13:52] <DrPHP> probably
[13:52] <muszek> I trust new drives less than drives that are proven to work
[13:52] <DrPHP> but on its own
[13:52] <selckin> try to read out SMART stuff
[13:53] <DrPHP> im gonna restart 2-3 times to see what happens
[13:54] <DrPHP> this kernel is slower to boot :(
[13:54] <_ruben> DrPHP: use the manufacturer's appropriate tools to check if its ok or not
[13:55] <DrPHP> and i see something like hda is not ready
[13:55] <DrPHP> i dont have an hda drive
[13:55] <DrPHP> all sata ports
[13:55] <_ruben> hda is usualy the cdrom drive
[13:55] <DrPHP> aah right.. but why is it trying to seek that
[13:56] <_ruben> some process accessing /media/cdrom which has automounting enabled usualy
[13:56] <DrPHP> shoudl suspend be working on a desktop ?
[13:56] <_ruben> never tried, but suspend + linux = tricky in general from what i've gathered
[13:57] <DrPHP> so far i only get a blinking cursor
[13:57] <DrPHP> its a quad core .. with sata drive and 2gb ram
[13:58] <DrPHP> shouldnt take this long
[13:58] <DrPHP> i wontder if it suspends to ram or disk
[14:00] <DrPHP> oh yeah.. my webcam doesnt wok
[14:00] <DrPHP> doesnt work even
[14:00] <DrPHP> http://assid.pastebin.com/m5469a7b5
[14:01] <DrPHP> i dont think it made the /dev for it
[14:04] <DrPHP> okay i klled ubuntu again by trying to suspend
[14:04] <DrPHP> x doesnt boot
[14:06] <DrPHP> err bbl
[14:06] <DrPHP> thanks _ruben
[15:41] <Assid> heya
[15:42] <luksmann> hello there
[15:44] <Assid> how goes it
[15:45] <Assid> err can someone help me with my webcam please .. my webcam uses the gspca module
[15:46] <Assid> but i cant seem to get it to do anyting
[15:46] <Assid> dmesg says the following : No supported image sensor detected for this bridge right after it catches it
[15:48] <Assid> also anyone know any decent / nice messengers for yahoo ?
[15:48] <Assid> amsn is nice for msn
[15:50] <rsk> Assid: pidgin for yahoo
[15:51] <Assid> rsk: doesnt let me get rid of the grouping.. and also it doesnt let me do some file transfers
[15:55] <luksmann> my w-lan is driving me crazy...
[15:58] <Assid> mine doesnt wanna use the usb device
[15:58] <Assid> internal one is wifi b :(
[16:00] <luksmann> well...my wlan connection doesn't work as long as I am in my room - scanning for AP brings no results. as soon as I move one room towards my AP everything works fine - NM connects. when I go back to my room connection stays alive
[16:01] <luksmann> and although I am connected to my AP network scan from terminal still shows no AP anywhere near
[16:02] <Assid> hrmm
[16:02] <Assid> whats the strenght of the signal in your room
[16:02] <luksmann> 54/100 ...so should be stable enough
[16:03] <Assid> weird.. dlink router by chance?
[16:03] <luksmann> no...some belkin n-draft...
[16:06] <luksmann> any ideas?
[16:07] <Assid> nope
[16:07] <Assid> ndiswrapper?
[16:07] <Assid> or its native support
[16:09] <luksmann> i am using a standard intel 3945 ABG wlan card....
[16:11] <luksmann> so ndiswrapper shouldn't be needed...
[16:13] <lz7> what new in 24.7 kernel?
[16:13] <lz7> and i see new nvidia drivers, and xorg-something
[16:14] <lz7> nice
[16:14] <Assid> yeah
[16:14] <Assid> i cant get my webcam working yet tho
[16:14] <Assid> so im bummed :(
[16:16] <Tuv0k> clicking "set system time" does nothing
[16:16] <Tuv0k> lirc-modules still missing a file to use pvr-150 remote
[16:21] <Assid> heya Tuv0k
[16:21] <Assid> thanks.. i got my card working
[16:21] <Assid> havent worked with the remote yet tho
[16:22] <Tuv0k> glad I could help
[16:22] <Tuv0k> the remote is trick as there is a bug yet to be fixed
[16:23] <Tuv0k> I have mine working though
[16:23] <Tuv0k> you have to get the ir blaster file, and put it in the firmware directory
[16:24] <Tuv0k> thats the short and sweet of it
[16:24] <Tuv0k> but this is a topic for the other channel
[16:24] <Assid> k.. when i get my set top box.. i will ask the question
[16:24] <Assid> for now i cant really use it
[16:25] <Assid> by any chance you had any experience with webcams
[16:25] <Tuv0k> you don't understand
[16:25] <Tuv0k> that file will enable not just the blaster BUT THE REMOTE
[16:25] <Assid> oh
[16:25] <Tuv0k> which is why I typed it
[16:26] <Assid> sorry my bad
[16:26] <Tuv0k> 2nd time you dismiss the fix
[16:26] <Tuv0k> np
[16:26] <Tuv0k> and yes, I have a working cam as well
[16:27] <Assid> the blaster is the receiver ? i dont know whats the blaster actually
[16:27] <Tuv0k> and I don't use a set top box
[16:27] <Assid> friend of mine bought the device a year or so back.. i bought it off him cause he got a mac now
[16:27] <Tuv0k> its unimportant as far as enabling the remote
[16:27] <Assid> ok
[16:30] <Assid> http://assid.pastebin.com/m5469a7b5 -- dmesg - i got a SN9C120 webcam
[16:30] <Assid> i cant get this to work right
[16:30] <Assid> worked fine until day before when i was on widnows
[16:30] <Assid> it works on the gspca modules
[16:31] <Tuv0k> #ubuntu
[16:31] <Tuv0k> start there
[16:31] <Assid> they go nuts if i mention im running hardy..
[16:31] <Tuv0k> I bet lol
[16:31] <Tuv0k> what kind of cam is that?
[16:31] <Assid> i tried asking a simple question like "any other messengers besides kopete and pidgin
[16:31] <Assid> one of those cheap chinese ones actually
[16:32] <Tuv0k> well thaat narrows it down huh?
[16:32] <Tuv0k> ;)
[16:32] <Assid> err wait
[16:32] <Assid> lemme see if i can find something
[16:32] <Tuv0k> what response did you get to your query about IMs?
[16:34] <Assid> err.. first they said pidgin.. im like "besides pidgin and kopete" and then again pidgin.. for icq had to keep explaining "i dont want pidgin"
[16:34] <Assid> then i get "yahoo messenger from yahoo" which is as good as deprecated cause its ancient as hell
[16:35] <Assid> finally when it came to why i dont like pidgin.. (like i cant get rid of the groups for example) they said try the later version.. to which i said im running hardy
[16:35] <Assid> next thing im told to come here for hardy questions
[16:35] <Tuv0k> yeah, I find #ubuntu totally useless
[16:36] <Tuv0k> I have no idea who they are helping
[16:36] <Tuv0k> but it seems I'm beyond their scope of support
[16:37] <Assid> its like they want n00bs in there.. ONLY
[16:37] <Assid> and then they ask why are they asked the same questions again and again
[16:37] <Assid> to which ofcourse they will use the bot
[16:38] <Assid> i mean some guys .. okay.. they are nice.. they help
[16:39] <Assid> so anyways.. care to help me with my webcam?
[16:39] <Tuv0k> I haang here #ubuntu-bugs and #ubuntu-mythtv
[16:39] <Tuv0k> you'veyet to identify your cam
[16:40] <Assid> yeah im still tyring to find the exact tsame thing
[16:40] <Tuv0k> isit usb?
[16:40] <Assid> yes
[16:40] <Assid> dmesg shows it.. as mentioned in the pastebin
[16:40] <Tuv0k> lsusb reports what>
[16:43] <Assid> err.. i cant copy OUT of xterm?
[16:44] <lz7> where is log of recent updates?
[16:44] <Assid> Bus 006 Device 005: ID 0c45:6130 Microdia
[16:44] <Assid> there
[16:45] <lz7> found it
[16:46] <h3sp4wn> Is there anyone who has managed to netinstall hardy xen from another os
[16:46] <Tuv0k> Assid, what app are you attempting to use it with?
[16:46] <Assid> amsn.. kopete.. etc
[16:47] <Assid> right now trying with ekiga
[16:47] <Tuv0k> 2.6.24-2.6.24
[16:47] <Tuv0k> try updating the kernel
[16:48] <Tuv0k> there is a newer one out
[16:48] <Assid> http://www.techcomindia.com/itemdetail.asp?Cat=WEB+CAMERA&CatID=76&prodid=743&ProdName=SSD%2D644K
[16:48] <Assid> err i got the latest one
[16:48] <Assid> still has same issue
[16:48] <Tuv0k> errr you don't
[16:48] <Tuv0k> look I can't help you if you don't listen
[16:48] <Tuv0k> this is the 3rd time
[16:48] <Tuv0k> Linux amd 2.6.24-7-generic #1 SMP Thu Feb 7 00:56:31 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[16:49] <Assid> assid@intelquad:~$ uname -a
[16:49] <Assid> Linux intelquad 2.6.24-7-generic #1 SMP Thu Feb 7 01:29:58 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[16:49] <Assid> i am..
[16:49] <Assid> that log is a bit older
[16:49] <Tuv0k> why is your pastebin different?
[16:49] <Tuv0k> and i apologize
[16:50] <Assid> pastebin'd it before i updated
[16:50] <Tuv0k> current logs help
[16:50] <Assid> ok one sec
[16:50] <Tuv0k> forget it
[16:50] <Tuv0k> the dmesg is not revealing anything relevant anyhow
[16:50] <Tuv0k> we know the system is seeing the cam
[16:50] <Assid> yep
[16:51] <Assid> question is why cant i access it :(
[16:51] <Tuv0k> now pick an app, to get it to work with
[16:51] <_Shade_> are there any problems with mp3 support in hardy on 64 bit machines? i can't manage with it
[16:51] <Tuv0k> its much easier to troubleshoot one app than 3
[16:51] <Tuv0k> _Shade_, none
[16:51] <Assid> http://assid.pastebin.com/m6cce5fb8
[16:52] <_Shade_> Tuv0k: oh.... i have some problems though :)
[16:52] <Assid> okay ekiga first.. if it works there.. we can try on amsn .. cause i dont wanna close and start the apps everytime
[16:52] <Tuv0k> Assid, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gspca/+bug/113088
[16:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 113088 in gspca "Microdia 0c45:613b webcam not properly supported" [Undecided,New]
[16:53] <Tuv0k> thats the result of googleing your cam specs from your pastebin, and viola
[16:53] <Tuv0k> learn to use google, it will save you headache
[16:53] <Assid> i did google.. saw some ubuntuforums
[16:53] <_Shade_> Tuv0k: just installed the 64 bit version, and then ubuntu-restricted extras and still no sound
[16:53] <Assid> came across another site .. which said its part of the linuxprojects
[16:53] <Tuv0k> http://www.google.com/search?q=SONIX+JPEG+%28sn9c1xx%29&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
[16:54] <Tuv0k> _Shade_, curious, because nothing special is needed to play mp3s
[16:54] <Tuv0k>  Assid your issue has been resolved
[16:54] <Tuv0k> see above links
[16:54] <Tuv0k> please
[16:55] <_Shade_> Tuv0k: any advice then?
[16:55] <Tuv0k> thinking
[16:55] <Assid> yep
[16:56] <Tuv0k> _Shade_, what system were you using before, what is the nature of your sound card?
[16:57] <Tuv0k> can you play ther medium
[16:57] <Assid> Tuv0k: check this : http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4197330&postcount=4
[16:57] <Tuv0k> oggs?
[16:57] <Tuv0k> videos ?
[16:57] <Tuv0k> etc?
[16:57] <_Shade_> Tuv0k: it was kubuntu gutsy@32 bits.... and the sound card.... an integrated one but plays nicely exceppt mp3's :)
[16:57] <Tuv0k> sound?
[16:58] <Tuv0k> videos have sound?
[16:58] <_Shade_> Tuv0k: don't know yet... i need some avi or stuff :)
[16:58] <coz_> guys ... is there any news for  "gimp-svg"  for hardy?
[16:59] <Tuv0k> throw in a cd or dvd or sometihing
[16:59] <lz7> i can't connect to launchpad and ubuntuforums
[16:59] <_Shade_> Tuv0k: i think i cant play any movies neither - no sound and vision
[17:00] <Assid> lz7: launchpad is a tad slow
[17:00] <Tuv0k> _Shade_, total media black out for you then?
[17:00] <coz_> lz7, ubuntuforums.org  works here
[17:00] <Tuv0k> everything is operation here as wekk
[17:00] <Tuv0k> well
[17:00] <_Shade_> Tuv0k: i guess so but the oggs are ok :)
[17:01] <Tuv0k> ok, so the soundcard is fine, you are just having codecs issues
[17:01] <coz_> _Shade_, open a terminal    alsamixer  to be sure it is recognizing the card by name properly
[17:02] <Tuv0k> _Shade_,install this package ubuntu-restricted-extras
[17:02] <Tuv0k> then report
[17:02] <h3sp4wn> _Shade_: I would recommend the fluendo mp3 decoder
[17:02] <_Shade_> Card: HDA Intel                                                              │
[17:02] <_Shade_> │ Chip: Realtek ALC888
[17:02] <Tuv0k> dude your card is fine
[17:02] <h3sp4wn> It sounds alot crisper you just have to register
[17:02] <Tuv0k> make sure said package is installed
[17:02] <coz_> yep _Shade_ it s fine
[17:03] <Tuv0k> and fluendo is also installed on my machine as well
[17:03] <Tuv0k> _Shade_, acknowledge?
[17:03] <_Shade_> btw i have never heard about this one
[17:04] <Tuv0k> _Shade_, acknowledge?
[17:05] <Tuv0k> _Shade_, acknowledge
[17:05] <Tuv0k> moving on
[17:05] <_Shade_> Tuv0k: i have the package installed already
[17:06] <Assid> Tuv0k: which webcam do you use
[17:06] <Tuv0k> a real one;)
[17:06] <Tuv0k> Creative
[17:06] <Assid> hehe
[17:06] <Tuv0k> Livecam
[17:06] <Assid> okay lets see if i can change it
[17:06] <Assid> this gives shitty pictures anwyasy..
[17:07] <_Shade_> i just updated the kernel... might it be the case?
[17:07] <Assid> Tuv0k: any suggestions for some good messenger clients.. like how amsn i
[17:07] <Assid> amsn is
[17:08] <coz_> Assid,   http://www.jabber.org/software/clients.shtml
[17:08] <UnDa> hi
[17:08] <UnDa> any1 there?
[17:08] <lz7> ubuntu.com not acessible too, strange...
[17:08] <Assid> coz_: jabber? proxy through that?
[17:08] <UnDa> hey i got kubuntu hardy
[17:09] <UnDa> but i cant open configure
[17:09] <coz_> Assid, should work but I would read up on each of the clients to see how configurable they are
[17:09] <UnDa> i get error
[17:09] <Assid> any personal suggestions?
[17:09] <UnDa> any help?
[17:09] <coz_> Assid, well pdigin is fine for me
[17:09] <Tuv0k> Assid, I would never use amsn, I on;y use pidgin, but yeah there are jabber clients and such
[17:09] <lz7> what is that? i just updated kernel, and few minutes later... new kernel lol
[17:09] <coz_> Assid, pidgin
[17:09] <Tuv0k> and you can remove groups in pidgin
[17:10] <Tuv0k> he knows about pidgin ppl
[17:10] <Tuv0k> thats why he is asking for OTHERs
[17:11] <Assid> Tuv0k: last time around.. i asked in the pidgin channel and they said NOT GOING TO HAPPEN
[17:11] <Assid> and that was in caps
[17:11] <Tuv0k> lol
[17:11] <Tuv0k> they are a nice bunch aren't they?
[17:11] <Assid> yeah
[17:11] <Tuv0k> why not just hide empty groups?
[17:12] <Assid> i dont want groups at all
[17:12] <Tuv0k> odd
[17:12] <Tuv0k> I haveno experience with amsn
[17:12] <Tuv0k> I stay away from all things ms*
[17:12] <Assid> its nice.. good msn windows clone
[17:12] <Assid> yeah well easier said than done
[17:12] <Tuv0k> yeah, I'm good
[17:13] <Tuv0k> its quite easy infact
[17:13] <Tuv0k> hence my presence here:)
[17:13] <_Shade_> i just rebooted 0 just to be sure and still no mp3 support
[17:14] <Assid> so how do i hide grouping
[17:14] <Tuv0k> look before asking please
[17:15] <Tuv0k> its all in front of you
[17:15] <Tuv0k> you know, options preferences etc
[17:15] <Tuv0k> I'm not much of a "hand-holder'
[17:15] <Tuv0k> but I will try my best to get you on the right track
[17:15] <Tuv0k> Assid, how long have you been using Linux?
[17:16] <Assid> as a server.. years
[17:16] <Assid> desktop.. on and off
[17:16] <Tuv0k> ic
[17:16] <Tuv0k> Assid, do you understand where I'
[17:16] <Tuv0k> m comming from?
[17:16] <Assid> yeah
[17:16] <Tuv0k> I do not intend to be rude
[17:16] <Tuv0k> :)
[17:16] <Tuv0k> Just efficinet
[17:16] <lz7> l' m?
[17:16] <Assid> woot got it
[17:16] <Assid> oh wait
[17:17] <Assid> wrong client
[17:17] <coz_> Assid, i see nothing in pidgin that applies to groups so far
[17:17] <Assid> cant find it in pidgin.. but hold on..if you say its possible (without deleting them groups)
[17:17] <Assid> coz_: thats what i see.. Tuv0k says its possible
[17:18] <roe_> didn't the topic used to announce what the current release is?
[17:18] <Tuv0k> used to yeah
[17:18] <coz_> Assid, so far i see nothing refereing to groups at all  unless you check with the man file   let me look
[17:19] <Tuv0k> Assid, got "buddies">"show"
[17:19] <Tuv0k> sorry
[17:19] <Tuv0k> it was not preferences or options
[17:19] <Tuv0k> got = goto
[17:19] <Tuv0k> I hate my keyboard
[17:19] <UnDa> can any1 support me here plz >.<
[17:20] <Tuv0k> a nonreply means no one has answers for you atm
[17:20] <Tuv0k> or current envolved helping others
[17:20] <UnDa> >.<
[17:20] <Tuv0k> please be patient
[17:21] <UnDa> any1 usin kubuntu hardy?
[17:21] <Tuv0k> I don't even know what your issue is from what you have already typed
[17:21] <lz7> (22:09:08) UnDa: but i cant open configure  --- what that means?
[17:21] <coz_> UnDa,  I use gnome not kde
[17:21] <Tuv0k> why don't you vist #kubuntu?
[17:21] <Assid> UnDa: gnome here mate..
[17:21] <UnDa> they sent me here T.T
[17:21] <coz_> UnDa, it would probably help to know  what the problem is
[17:21] <Assid> hehe
[17:21] <Tuv0k> true
[17:21] <_Shade_> can i do ANYTHING else to get these mp3s/videos working?
[17:21] <Assid> hardy with kubuntu.. trust me.. you get kicked around
[17:21] <Tuv0k> what coz_ said
[17:22] <UnDa> im having libpython2.5.so cant be found problem
[17:22] <UnDa> n cant configure anythin
[17:22] <coz_> _Shade_,  which video client are you using
[17:22] <Tuv0k> missing library
[17:22] <Assid> UnDa: i think thats in  launchpad.. did you check there?
[17:22] <UnDa> ??
[17:22] <Assid> if you already installed python2.5
[17:22] <Assid> apt-get install python2.5
[17:23] <coz_> UnDa,  if you are on hardy   it would help to do sudo apt-get update  then   sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:23] <Tuv0k> _Shade_, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=265499
[17:23] <UnDa> lemme see
[17:23] <lz7> _Shade_ sudo apt-get install vlc
[17:23] <coz_> UnDa, there are going to be  daily  download most likely
[17:23] <Tuv0k> very likely
[17:23] <coz_> UnDa, and it would be important to do both commands
[17:23] <Assid> Tuv0k: dont see anything of groups.. only empty groups
[17:23] <_Shade_> coz_: nvidia but i think it is not the point since audio files doesn't work as well (i mean the restricted formats)
[17:24] <coz_> _Shade_, no guy  what I meant is are you using mplayer  vlc  etc etc
[17:24] <Tuv0k> Assid, meaning, you can check to show empty groups, or uncheck to hide empty groups
[17:24] <Tuv0k> then the only time groups are shown, is when you have buddies assigned to them
[17:24] <UnDa> python installed
[17:25] <Assid> right..  i do have groups with contacts in them
[17:25] <Tuv0k> for ex.
[17:25] <Tuv0k> I have hide empty groups and hide offline buddies
[17:25] <_Shade_> coz_: i --try-- to use kaffeine... ah you said video client sorry... i thought you meant videocard :)
[17:25] <coz_> UnDa, did you do  sudo apt-get update  then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[17:25] <UnDa> no
[17:25] <coz_> UnDa, do that now
[17:26] <Assid> i dont want to see the grouping at all.. even if i have contacts within thenm
[17:26] <UnDa> ima try that
[17:26] <Tuv0k> Assid, I don't think I've ever seen such a thing
[17:27] <Tuv0k> its seems, illogical ;)
[17:27] <coz_> _Shade_,  so you are using KDE?
[17:27] <Assid> check kopete.. you can hiode grouping but keep the contacts within them
[17:27] <Tuv0k> I would never use kopete
[17:27] <_Shade_> coz_: yes i do
[17:27] <Assid> also in windows' yahoo client
[17:27] <Tuv0k> can't remember windows
[17:28] <Assid> blue screen?
[17:28] <Tuv0k> ah that windows
[17:28] <Tuv0k> lol
[17:28] <Assid> there we go
[17:28] <Assid> hehe
[17:28] <Assid> brb.. dinner
[17:28] <Tuv0k> dinner!?!
[17:28] <Tuv0k> wow
[17:28] <coz_> _Shade_, mm  ok you might want to google      ubuntu restricted formats   however  some of the stuff there is not for hardy  but much of it can be used  but  just read through that link and use sensible judgement when downloadin stuff
[17:28] <Tuv0k> breakfast here
[17:28] <Assid> 11pm here
[17:29] <Tuv0k> damn
[17:29] <UnDa> i hope it get fixed with the dist upgrade
[17:29] <UnDa> btw is ubuntu hardy any diferent from 7.10?
[17:29] <Tuv0k> lol
[17:29] <Assid> umm yes
[17:29] <Tuv0k> rofl
[17:29]  * Assid types with 1 hand
[17:30] <Tuv0k> wow!
[17:30] <coz_> does that include all 5 fingers?? :)
[17:30] <Assid> 4 fingers
[17:30] <coz_> lol
[17:30] <Tuv0k> UnDa, might want to acquaint yourself with ubuntu
[17:31] <Tuv0k> try "the google'
[17:31] <Assid> the???
[17:31] <Tuv0k> yeah, its an inside joke
[17:31] <Assid> yeah
[17:31] <Assid> like the shitznitz
[17:32] <Tuv0k> lol not quite
[17:32] <Tuv0k> ppl not aware of how to search the web refer to google as some sort of mystical device
[17:32] <Assid> we need sound support on irc...
[17:32] <coz_> Tuv0k, it is my friend
[17:33] <coz_> :)
[17:33] <Tuv0k> mine as well
[17:33] <UnDa> does it looks like this1? http://www.silverwingsonline.com/ubuntu1.jpg
[17:33] <Tuv0k> its gotten me throw 10 years of lniux use
[17:33] <Assid> pissed me off.. im gonna go break googles car
[17:33] <Tuv0k> its how I avoided many a flame
[17:34] <Tuv0k> UnDa, wow!, thats pretty!
[17:34] <Tuv0k> but you have to do some editing to get it to look like that
[17:34] <UnDa> so it sint like that >.>
[17:34] <coz_> UnDa, very attractive
[17:34] <Tuv0k> however, I notice we now have a newlogin sound
[17:34] <UnDa> *isnt
[17:35] <Tuv0k> its not a wallpaper
[17:35] <Tuv0k> its a versionof the distro
[17:35] <Tuv0k> are you serious with this line of inquiry?
[17:35] <Assid> methinks he is
[17:35] <UnDa> i kno its attractive thats y i asked cuz if it looks like that it will really rck
[17:36] <Assid> a convert from windows UnDa?
[17:36] <UnDa> ?? wht u mean?
[17:36] <Tuv0k> yeah, myth updates!
[17:37] <coz_> UnDa, is that yourdesktop screenshot/
[17:37] <Assid> Tuv0k: oh yeah that reminds me.. how come we dont have the latest myth tv ?
[17:37] <Tuv0k> I doo:)
[17:37] <Assid> err one sec.. restarting X
[17:37] <Tuv0k> why wouldn't we?
[17:37] <UnDa> lol no
[17:37] <UnDa> i whish xD
[17:38] <Tuv0k> Setting up mytharchive-data (0.20.99+trunk15685-0ubuntu1)
[17:38] <UnDa> googled it >.> look at this
[17:38] <UnDa> http://blog.chip.de/chip-linux-blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/news_gr.jpg
[17:38] <coz_> UnDa, ok is that your desktop ^^
[17:38] <Assid> thats kde4
[17:38] <Assid> and no thats not his
[17:38] <coz_> oh
[17:38] <Assid> kde4 looks sweet
[17:39] <UnDa> but my kde not like that T.T
[17:39] <Tuv0k> that screen shot looks nice
[17:39] <Assid> Tuv0k: yeah..
[17:39] <Tuv0k> but KDe4 is lacking
[17:39] <Assid> plasmoids are great eyecanbdy
[17:39] <Tuv0k> I'll sick with gnome and compiz for now
[17:39] <Assid> yeah
[17:39] <Assid> err brb.. X restart.. forgot
[17:39] <Assid> hehe
[17:39] <coz_> Tuv0k, same here fewer headaches
[17:40] <Tuv0k> better eyecandy;)
[17:40] <coz_> Tuv0k, well plasma looks very cool and kde4 certainly has promise but I have not heard of anyone without issues on kde$
[17:40] <coz_> kde4
[17:40] <UnDa> kde4 is sweet
[17:40] <Tuv0k> I ran it, I had it installed on this machine
[17:40] <coz_> and?
[17:41] <Tuv0k> that lower taskbar has to go
[17:41] <coz_> :)
[17:41] <Tuv0k> or be able to be resized
[17:41] <Tuv0k> plasma was broekn at the time
[17:41] <coz_> Tuv0k, well there you go... not ready for use
[17:41] <Tuv0k> I wanted to like it
[17:41] <coz_> Tuv0k, lol
[17:41] <Tuv0k> but it seemed like I was using a DE from 2001
[17:41] <UnDa> im usin win n kubuntu so its sorta the same thing
[17:42] <UnDa> the prob is the menu >.>
[17:42] <Tuv0k> once you go compiz, kinda hard to go back to 2d effects
[17:42] <Tuv0k> trasnparent or now
[17:42] <UnDa> my mouse crazy so its hard 2 use that menu
[17:42] <coz_> yeah compiz fusion is only getting better  i think everyone is just trying to catch up
[17:42] <Tuv0k> the new kde menu system was silly imo
[17:42] <UnDa> had compiz, trying new things
[17:43] <Tuv0k> compiz is not only sexy, its functional
[17:43] <Assid> back
[17:43] <Assid> err.. emerald dies every so often  :(
[17:43] <Tuv0k> I uninstalled emerald 8 months ago
[17:43] <Assid> i need some nice hi-def wallpapers
[17:43] <Tuv0k> torrent some
[17:44] <Assid> emerald should start working properly soon.. i hope
[17:44] <Tuv0k> any of you use "gimmie"?
[17:44] <Assid> gimmie ???
[17:45] <Assid> nope.. unless thats slang for give me
[17:45] <UnDa> wht u usin 2 decorate win borders them?
[17:45] <UnDa> i used emerald n it worked
[17:45] <UnDa> well 7.10
[17:45] <Assid> there we go speaking of which.. it just died again
[17:45] <Tuv0k> MythZoneMinder interfaces with Zoneminder, a CCTV solution.
[17:45] <Tuv0k> You can view the status of ZoneMinder and watch live camera shots and
[17:45] <Tuv0k> recorded surveillance footage.
[17:45] <Tuv0k> sweeeet
[17:46] <Assid> nic
[17:46] <coz_> Assid,   http://interfacelift.com/
[17:46] <Assid> i tried some other stuff of mythtv
[17:46] <Assid> and damn it caused dependency issues
[17:46] <Assid> i think it was the weather plugin
[17:48] <Tuv0k> yes it was
[17:48] <Tuv0k> its now fixedas I'm installing it now
[17:48] <Tuv0k> done
[17:48] <UnDa> update ended n i still have same problem
[17:48] <UnDa> ima try restarting 2 see if it changes something :S
[17:48] <UnDa> but i dun think so
[17:48] <Tuv0k> UnDa, are you new to linux/ubuntu?
[17:48] <Assid> sweet will try it
[17:49] <Assid> nautilis doesnt handle nfs:// ?
[17:49] <coz_> Assid, here is another high res  link   http://www.mandolux.com/archive/index.html
[17:49] <Tuv0k> Assid, not atm , nautilus networking is still broken
[17:49] <Tuv0k> what is unda talking about?
[17:50] <Assid> not too sure
[17:50] <coz_> so guys has there been any news   for "gimp-svg'  on hardy?
[17:51] <Assid> we need  xterm here .. so if your using nautlits.. you can open a terminal to that path
[17:52] <Tuv0k> ubuntu desktop wallpaper has a photo of a bareassed woman
[17:53] <coz_> Tuv0k, from the ubuntu calendar?
[17:53] <Tuv0k> yup
[17:53] <Tuv0k> its not bad
[17:53] <Tuv0k> could be bigger
[17:53] <coz_> Tuv0k, yeah there was an issue  a while back coupel of years i believe when that was considered "not family friendly"
[17:54] <Tuv0k> its not vulgar
[17:54] <Tuv0k> nothing more oddthan any museum
[17:54] <Assid> Tuv0k:in ubuntu ?
[17:54] <Tuv0k> some people must not let their kids go to museums
[17:54] <Tuv0k> yes
[17:54] <Assid> i dont see it..
[17:54] <coz_> Tuv0k, I feel the same but there was period of time  that it was  considered bad  I even had some of my nude p aintings removed from ubuntuforums because of that
[17:55] <Tuv0k> you may not have ubuntu calender installed
[17:55] <coz_> Tuv0k, I hope they are new pictures the old ones are kinda  well....old :)
[17:55] <UnDa> hey i got same problem
[17:56] <Tuv0k> coz_, considering the level of religious fanaticism is this country, are you surprised?
[17:56] <coz_> Tuv0k, no  just dissapointed
[17:56] <UnDa> isnt there a kubuntu+1?
[17:56] <Tuv0k> coz_, I have February and march desktops
[17:56] <Tuv0k> coz_, indeed
[17:57] <coz_> Tuv0k, mm I will have to look at them
[17:57] <coz_> Tuv0k, I prefer painting my own stuff but they may do :)
[17:57] <Tuv0k> it'd be nice to go back to the days of intellectuals and enlightenment
[17:57] <coz_> Tuv0k,  live the dream  :)
[17:58] <Tuv0k> The one I'm looking at now is a woman laying on her stomach
[17:58] <Tuv0k> very classy
[17:58] <Tuv0k> coz_, lol
[17:58] <Assid> yeah
[17:58] <Assid> nice butt too
[17:58] <Tuv0k> we are hurling towards the dark ages at an alarming rate
[17:58] <nanonyme> woman laying on her stomach mentioned
[17:58] <Tuv0k> Assid, yeah, not bad huh?
[17:58] <Assid> yep
[17:59] <nanonyme> what were you talking about, actually? ^^
[17:59] <Tuv0k> ubuntu-calender
[17:59] <nanonyme> ah
[17:59] <Tuv0k> Feb-Mar desktops
[18:00] <nanonyme> might take a look at it when i get my hands on a Linux with X again
[18:00] <Tuv0k> actually its March
[18:00] <sveri> hm, how do i activate ubuntu-calendar?
[18:00] <Assid> need more wallpapers
[18:00] <Tuv0k> uh install it?
[18:00] <sveri> Tuv0k: yea, and then?
[18:01] <Tuv0k> Assid, apt-get install gnomeart
[18:01] <Assid> i did
[18:01] <Tuv0k> sveri, rt click the desktop to change background
[18:01] <Tuv0k> Assid, good1
[18:01] <Assid> i dont see any "MORE" thanwhats already there by defult
[18:01] <Tuv0k> Assid, starting to like you
[18:01] <Assid> default even
[18:01] <Assid> hehe..
[18:01] <`Matir> Is KDE4 on AMD64 broken in any way during install?  I get an error about not installing kdeutils-kde4.
[18:01] <sveri> Tuv0k: i assumed that, but i cant see something ubuntu related
[18:02] <Tuv0k> Assid, gnomart is an application that downloads art fromgnomelook
[18:02] <Tuv0k> that app
[18:02] <Tuv0k> sveri, in synaptic search ubntu calender
[18:02] <Tuv0k> you'll see the differnet wallpapers for the months
[18:02] <Assid> gnome-art right ? i got that
[18:02] <Tuv0k> choose some
[18:02] <Tuv0k> then they will be available to change to
[18:03] <sveri> yea, i did :D
[18:03] <Tuv0k> Assid, there is all types of wallpaper there right?
[18:03] <sveri> at least for februar and march
[18:03] <Tuv0k> well the brown dekstops, are ubnts
[18:05] <Assid> Tuv0k: gnome-art isnt linked in my menu's :( had to run from run/cli
[18:05] <Tuv0k> Assid, that sucks
[18:05] <Assid> unless im going blind.. where "should" it have been
[18:05] <Tuv0k> nope
[18:06] <Tuv0k> its not in mine either!
[18:06] <Assid> would explain why i didnt run it
[18:06] <Assid> hehe
[18:06] <Assid> we;ll downloading 1208 backgrounds
[18:06] <Tuv0k> odd
[18:06] <Tuv0k> I use the gimmie menu app
[18:07] <Assid> why not list the thumbnails first ??? and then choose what i want.. like how kde does it
[18:07] <coz_> I am going to assume that none of you guys know if gimp-svg will be avaiable for hardy?
[18:07] <Assid> you keep referring to gimmie.. is it god?
[18:07] <Assid> good?
[18:07] <Tuv0k> coz_, thats correct
[18:07] <coz_> Tuv0k, ok :)
[18:07] <coz_> later guys
[18:07] <lz7> Assid: it IS list thumbnails 1st
[18:07] <Tuv0k> Assid, I like it
[18:07] <Tuv0k> later coz
[18:08] <lz7> still no access to ubuntu.com etc
[18:08] <Tuv0k> you've got bigger issuesit seems
[18:09] <Tuv0k> cool!
[18:09] <Tuv0k> ubntu changed the homepage
[18:09] <Assid> argh.. i cant run zend :(
[18:09] <Tuv0k> it has a happy new year chinese dragon ubuntu icon
[18:09] <aLeSD> hi all
[18:10] <Tuv0k> hello
[18:10] <Assid> err.. 1 month late.. but ok
[18:10] <aLeSD> I have upgraded to the new version but the ati drivers doesn't give me drm
[18:10] <UnDa> hi
[18:10] <Tuv0k> http://www.ubuntu.com/files/masthead/chinese_new_year/happy.jpg
[18:10] <aLeSD> but before all gone well
[18:11] <aLeSD> I mean ... the first EE I see in the log is : (EE) fglrx(0): atiddxDriScreenInit failed, GPS not been initialized.
[18:11] <Assid> what the hell? ubuntu mobile ?!?
[18:12] <Assid> i want one of those
[18:12] <aLeSD> but maybe this one could be better [drm] failed to load kernel module "fglrx"
[18:13] <underwatercow> Is there a reason that even after I install sun-java6-jdk, it still uses java 1.5.0? I shouldn't have to change it in the path should I?
[18:13] <underwatercow> the jre too
[18:13] <Tuv0k> Assid, just saw that myself
[18:13] <Assid> Tuv0k: care to try something for me please
[18:13] <Tuv0k> sure
[18:14] <underwatercow> javac is version 1.6.0_04, but java is running 1.5.0
[18:14] <Assid> can you try and install the zend ide
[18:14] <Tuv0k> what is it?
[18:14] <Assid> ide for php by zend
[18:15] <Tuv0k> sorry, i won't be installing that
[18:16] <Assid> :( core dumps
[18:17] <Assid> and i shared a folder.. but i cant get it to be seen on the network
[18:20] <Tuv0k> Assid, you have many issues over there
[18:20] <Assid> for samba ?
[18:20] <Tuv0k> problems
[18:20] <Tuv0k> you have many, no?
[18:21] <Assid> yeah.. quite a few apparently
[18:22] <Tuv0k> Assid, you get your myth updated
[18:22] <Tuv0k> Assid, more updates are in thepipe
[18:22] <Tuv0k> performance updates
[18:23] <Assid> repos updated already ?
[18:23] <Tuv0k> of course
[18:23] <Tuv0k> get used to apt-get update
[18:29] <Assid> kvirc died on me :(
[18:30] <Assid> err so did the updates make it to the repositories?
[18:30] <Assid> also how do i set processor affinity ?
[18:31] <lz7> and i want to know how to build DVD DL image with layer break file
[18:31] <lz7> from a dvd dl,  for later burning on dvd+r dl
[18:32] <Assid> err.. did you guys know there was a gnome control center ?
[18:33] <Assid> okay my machine seems to be lagging.. but my processor isnt used
[18:36] <aLeSD> hi all
[18:36] <Tuv0k> greetingd
[18:37] <aLeSD> why I haven't my ati drivers in the restricted-drivers module now ?
[18:37] <Assid> 1059mb cached in ram.. damn.
[18:37] <aLeSD> I mean after the dist upgrade ?
[18:38] <Tuv0k> rephrase
[18:38] <Tuv0k> plz?
[18:39] <aLeSD> Tuv0k: I upgraded ubuntu to alpha4 . Before I had my ATI proprietary driver working ...
[18:39] <aLeSD> now I can't see the ATI driver in the gnome windows for the propetary driver
[18:39] <aLeSD> and I haven't anything in /dev/drm
[18:39] <Assid> Tuv0k: i dont see any mythtv updates mate
[18:39] <aLeSD> so I can't start 3d
[18:40] <Assid> alot of kde ones tho
[18:40] <Assid> apparently they want to update the nvidia drivers once again
[18:40] <aLeSD> I mean what's the driver that creates the /dev/drm devices ?
[18:40] <Assid> okay anyone here coding php ?
[18:40] <Pici> ##php
[18:40] <Assid> and wants to try out zend ide for me please
[18:40] <Assid> it just doesnt install
[18:41] <Assid> Pici: yeah i know.. but zend ide doesnt install on hardy
[18:41] <aLeSD> of better where could I find frglx.ko cause I havent it for the 2.6.24 kenel
[18:42] <lz7> System Monitor->Resources scrolling of graphics is with delays
[18:43] <lz7> jumping
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[18:51] <Assid> err
[18:52] <Assid> Tuv0k: i dont see mythtv updates
[18:54] <Tuv0k> look harder
[18:54] <Assid> dunno.. it did all the updates
[18:54] <Assid> mostly all kde stuff.. and nvidia didnt see mythtv there
[18:54] <Tuv0k> look in synaptic man
[18:55] <Tuv0k> I'm setting up the new myth weather now
[18:55] <Tuv0k> and I hate it
[18:56] <Assid> hrmm
[18:56] <Assid> err how do i get the search tool do search thunderbird
[18:57] <Assid> its greyed out and i cant choose it
[18:59] <Assid> oh boy.. this isnt good
[18:59] <Assid> Feb  9 00:28:41 intelquad kernel: [17649.820549] hda: status error: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error }
[19:00] <enyc> Assid: aah yes that definitiely isnt good
[19:00] <Assid> the sony rom sucks :(
[19:00] <enyc> Assid: sony rom?
[19:00] <Assid> yeah its a sony dvdrom
[19:01] <enyc> Assid: as PATA primary master?
[19:01] <Assid> yeah.. and liteon one as secondary
[19:01] <Assid> err.. primary slave
[19:01] <enyc> Assid: ok
[19:01] <Assid> i dont have a secondary IDE connectivity on my mobo
[19:01] <Assid> 1 ide interface only
[19:01] <enyc> Assid: PATA has some really weird issues with drives on the same channel sometimes ;-)  depends on the combination of  drives/firmware/motheboard/use
[19:02] <Assid> can that posssibly slow my machine down ?
[19:02] <Assid> those drive seek errors
[19:02] <enyc> Assid: depends whats going on.  it should just stop whatever process is waiting on the drive ;-)
[19:02] <Assid> nah its going on since i booted
[19:03] <Assid> i got a pretty decent rig.. and it starts slowing down after a bit
[19:03] <enyc> so is something trying to access the drive?
[19:03] <enyc> is there a disk in it?
[19:03] <Assid> nope
[19:03] <enyc> ok hrrm
[19:03] <enyc> id first upgrade the firmware on both drives
[19:03] <Assid> so either theres a memory leak somewhere or somethings gone haywire
[19:03] <enyc> then try things like swap the master/slave or attach only 1 optical drive
[19:06] <lz7> locale is broken, LANG=C, LC_CTYPE="C", LC_NUMERIC="C", etc
[19:06] <enyc> what is the C locale anyway? ive never understood that
[19:07] <Assid> err.. bbiab
[19:07] <lz7> i don't know but it should be en_US.UTF-8
[19:09] <enyc> lz7: hrrm there all these files in /usr/share/locale/ and stuff puzzling
[19:09] <enyc> lz7: ive had trouble like that with debootstrapped system ...  even if install locales-all etc.
[19:11] <enyc> lz7: workarounded by coping whatever it was off another system hrrm
[19:11] <lz7> hmm there is no en_US dir in /usr/share/locale...
[19:11] <enyc> ive never understood the whole locale/language thing... i understand what UTF-8 is tho
[19:12] <enyc> lz7: i think that can be normal tho err
[19:14] <enyc> lz7: hrrm on dapper6.06 its normal to have only "locale-archive" in /usr/lib/locale/ but many many dirs in /usr/share/locale/
[19:14] <enyc> lz7: i dotn know whats different in hardy etc. etc.
[19:21] <aLeSD> the sw mixing doesn't work anymore :(
[19:21] <_Shade_> how to enable nvidia restricted drivers in hardy? my xorg.conf seems very small :)
[19:23] <Tuv0k> _Shade_, same as gutsy
[19:23] <Tuv0k> please read documentation
[19:23] <theacolyte> so, does heron support nvidia 8800's on installation?
[19:23] <theacolyte> couldn't find any good docs
[19:24] <Tuv0k> read docs about nvidia period
[19:24] <Tuv0k> if it uses the nvidia driver
[19:24] <Oli``> theacolyte: I didn't have any issues
[19:24] <Tuv0k> and it does, then it applies
[19:24] <theacolyte> How about hand feeding me the answer since at least I tried? ;)
[19:25] <theacolyte> I mean, with 7.10 you boot, black screen, you have to do black magic
[19:25] <Tuv0k> this is not #ubuntu, its expected if you are here, you knowhow to read the docuemntation and search the forums, google as well
[19:25] <theacolyte> I've gotten it to work
[19:25] <theacolyte> Tuv0k: that was sarcasm, which obviously passed well over your head, if I have a question about Heron, this is the channel to ask it
[19:25] <theacolyte> and your superior attitude be damned
[19:26] <theacolyte> Oli``: when you installed it, did it boot right into the live cd portion?
[19:26] <_Shade_> does hardy have restricted manager for kde?
[19:26] <Oli``> theacolyte: urm, I can't remember back that far... I started on alpha 2... it certainly didn't take any time to do or I'd have remembered it being a pain
[19:26] <Tuv0k> this is not the channel to holdyour hand
[19:26] <theacolyte> Tuv0k: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=sarcasm&btnG=Google+Search
[19:26] <Oli``> theacolyte: oh yeah, the free driver works fine
[19:26] <theacolyte> nice, thanks Oli`` :)
[19:27] <Oli``> theacolyte: and the restricted driver works fine too, just takes two clicks and another reboot to install (like gutsy)
[19:27] <Tuv0k> just because one is lazy, does not make them inferior
[19:27] <theacolyte> Tuv0k: I'd suggest googling sarcasm, sense of humor, and civility
[19:27] <theacolyte> nice, I'll give it a whirl then
[19:27] <Tuv0k> just try harder
[19:28] <theacolyte> social graces works as well
[19:37] <_Shade_> is there any restricted manager for kde in hardy?
[19:38] <_Shade_> as it was in gutsy
[19:39] <Tuv0k> lol
[19:39] <Tuv0k> think about that for a second
[19:39] <_Shade_> ?
[19:39] <Tuv0k> have you even tried looking?
[19:40] <_Shade_> yes i have
[19:40] <Tuv0k> you've searched the repos?
[19:40] <Tuv0k> the wiki
[19:40] <Tuv0k> the forum
[19:40] <lz7> the irc
[19:40] <theacolyte> _Shade_: you'd be doing yourself a favor to ignore him
[19:40] <theacolyte> or use him as a punching bag
[19:41] <_Shade_> Tuv0k: sudo apt-cache search restricted
[19:41] <_Shade_> thecrypto: :)
[19:41] <theacolyte> hehe
[19:42] <_Shade_> theacolyte: i meant
[19:42] <_Shade_> so... does it exist or... ?
[19:44] <theacolyte> If I had it installed, I'd be more than glad to help, instead of being a bastard and redirect you to another resource
[19:45] <_Shade_> theacolyte: which is... ?
[19:46] <aLeSD> is it normal that the audio sw mixing doesn't work anymore ?
[19:47] <manchicken_> Amaranth: Wuddup?
[19:49] <ewomer> has anyone fixed the flash player issue in firefox
[19:51] <manchicken_> ewomer: Which one?
[19:51] <manchicken_> The one where FF just doesn't recognize the player?
[19:52] <ewomer> the one with this error
[19:52] <ewomer> *** NSPlugin Wrapper *** ERROR: NPP_NewStream() invoke: Connection reset by peer
[19:52] <ewomer> *** NSPlugin Wrapper *** ERROR: NPP_URLNotify() invoke: Connection closed
[19:52] <ewomer> *** NSPlugin Wrapper *** ERROR: NPP_Destroy() invoke: Connection closed
[19:52] <ewomer> *** NSPlugin Wrapper *** ERROR: NPP_New() invoke: Connection closed
[19:52] <ewomer> *** NSPlugin Wrapper *** ERROR: NPP_New() invoke: Connection closed
[19:52] <ewomer> *** NSPlugin Wrapper *** ERROR: NPP_New() invoke: Connection closed
[19:52] <ewomer> *** NSPlugin Wrapper *** ERROR: NPP_New() invoke: Connection closed
[19:53] <ewomer> *** NSPlugin Wrapper *** ERROR: NPP_New() invoke: Connection closed
[19:53] <ewomer> *** NSPlugin Wrapper *** ERROR: NPP_New() invoke: Connection closed
[19:53] <ewomer> *** NSPlugin Wrapper *** ERROR: NPP_New() invoke: Connection closed
[19:53] <ewomer> *** NSPlugin Wrapper *** ERROR: NPP_New() invoke: Connection closed
[19:53] <ewomer> *** NSPlugin Wrapper *** ERROR: NPP_New() invoke: Connection closed
[19:53] <ewomer> *** NSPlugin Wrapper *** ERROR: NPP_Destroy() invoke: Connection closed
[19:53] <ewomer> *** NSPlugin Wrapper *** ERROR: NPP_Destroy() invoke: Connection closed
[19:53] <ewomer> *** NSPlugin Wrapper *** ERROR: NP_Shutdown() invoke: Connection closed
[19:53] <ewomer> well errors
[19:53] <selckin> learn to use a pastebin
[19:53] <ewomer> how
[19:53] <Pici> !paste | ewomer
[19:53] <ubotu> ewomer: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[19:55] <ewomer> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55256/
[19:55] <ewomer> like that
[19:58] <ewomer> this is the error when i go to speedtest.net
[19:58] <ewomer> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55258/
[20:01] <lz7> window title issues in compiz is still here, with new 0.7 version, like wrong distorted colors for title (was dissapearing controls), theme is "human"
[20:01] <Pici> !bug
[20:01] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[20:03] <lz7> Pici: are you advicing me not to use irc to make bug reports?
[20:03] <Pici> lz7: You and anyone else paying attention,.
[20:07] <lz7> i dont like registrations cuz if i get banned i need to re-register
[20:07] <lz7> and i not like forums
[20:08] <lz7> but i like irc
[20:08] <enyc> lz7: ;-)
[20:11] <Pici> Er.  Why would you get banned from Launchpad?
[20:12] <lz7> i always get banned everythere, cuz i tend to not obey orders
[20:16] <qzio> i got a problem with my settings windows crashing, like gnome-appearance-properties for example.
[20:17] <qzio> getting segmentation fault (core dumped)
[20:17] <qzio> "glib-critical **: g_markup_parse_context_end_parse: assertion `context->stat != STATE_ERROR' failed"
[20:19] <lz7> i even was banned on #ubuntu-ru
[20:25] <assid> heya
[20:25] <assid> im on my laptop and for some reason i cant press shit ctrl or alt
[20:26] <assid> no multiplpe key combinations work
[20:26] <assid> i tried running metacity instead of compiz
[20:26] <assid> but im still facing this issue
[20:27] <assid> yo DanaG
[20:27] <assid> your keyboard issues hit me
[20:30] <assid> anyone/
[20:30] <m11> evening
[20:31] <sam7_> Hello, i hope i'm on the good IRC meeting for Ubuntu 8.04 LTS
[20:31] <assid> irc meeting/
[20:31] <assid> what meeting/
[20:32] <sam7_> I look for the IRC meeting animated by Kwii
[20:35] <DanaG> I'm here now.
[20:35] <DanaG> That keyboard thing is REALLY annoying.
[20:44] <matahari> hi
[20:44] <matahari> i have some problems with hardy - i am very confused. I wanted to test the graphics with my nvidia card and enable the nvidia-driver
[20:45] <matahari> i always did this in the xorg.conf, but there is nearly anything inside anymore
[20:45] <matahari> now, how can i enable the driver?
[20:45] <matahari> i already installed nvidia-glx-new and linux-restricted-modules
[20:48] <lz7> hardware drivers applet
[20:49] <lz7> they renamed that thing once again lol
[20:49] <matahari> where can i find this?
[20:49] <lz7> system->administration menu
[20:50] <lz7> btw isnt it should auto enable itself if you install driver with synaptic? hm
[20:50] <lz7> maybe not
[20:51] <matahari> i can't find the admin menu
[20:51] <matahari> it's strange
[20:51] <matahari> (i use kubuntu - maybe i have to install something first)
[20:51] <lz7> mmm just todays someone mentioned theres is no applet for kde yet
[20:51] <lz7> if im not wrong
[20:52] <matahari> but it must be possible to run this gnome-program in KDE?
[20:54] <lz7> !find restricted
[20:54] <ubotu> Found: jockey-common, jockey-gtk, linux-restricted-modules, linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-5-386, linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-5-generic (and 12 others)
[20:55] <lz7> its called jockey-gtk
[20:56] <matahari> ok
[20:56] <matahari> :-)
[20:56] <matahari> looks good
[20:57] <lz7> is it work? tell
[20:57] <lz7> *does
[20:57] <matahari> seems so
[20:58] <matahari> now let#s see if the driver works :-)
[21:00] <matahari> damn
[21:00] <matahari> now the keyboard doesn't work anymore
[21:01] <matahari> argh
[21:01] <matahari> it's dead
[21:01] <lz7> yeah some ppl here having problem with keyboard too
[21:01] <lz7> try to restart X
[21:01] <matahari> how?
[21:01] <lz7> alt+shift+backspace
[21:02] <lz7> does it work
[21:02] <lz7> oh
[21:02] <lz7> i mean ctrl+shift
[21:02] <DanaG> ctrl-alt-backspace restarts X.
[21:02] <lz7> thanks
[21:02] <DanaG> But it closes everything, of course.
[21:02] <DanaG> Make sure to save work.
[21:02] <matahari> no chance
[21:02] <matahari> keyboard doesn't work anymore neither gutsy nor hardy
[21:03] <lz7> i can't understand
[21:03] <matahari> neither me
[21:03] <lz7> is it work during POST?
[21:03] <matahari> let me check again
[21:03] <matahari> okay, now it seems to show reactions
[21:04] <matahari> *puh*
[21:04] <matahari> now sweat is running down
[21:04] <matahari> i thjought i killed my keyboard
[21:05] <matahari> okay, keyboard seems to work again
[21:05] <matahari> :-)
[21:06] <matahari> thanks a lot
[21:06] <matahari> it works now
[21:06] <lz7> ok
[21:11] <matahari> thanks
[21:42] <ethana2> ...Ubuntu seems to be using Brother DCP-7025 drivers for our DCP-7020
[21:43] <ethana2> as it doesn't /work/, I would be comforted if it specifically used something at least called a DCP-7020 driver
[21:50] <neo22> So.
[21:50] <neo22> I don't think any of the desktop effects are actually working for me.
[21:50] <siimo> desktop effects are useless anyway
[21:51] <neo22> I don't care about them much. But they make other people like kubuntu.
[21:52] <neo22> I did like my cube thought :(
[21:55] <neo22> Also, how come no screensavers are showing up in the screensaver window?
[21:56] <neo22> Hello?
[21:56] <lz7> who is here?
[21:57] <lz7> my screensavers are showin
[21:57] <neo22> I only see Blank Screen and Random.
[21:57] <neo22> This is using alpha 4 and kde 4.
[21:58] <lz7> gnome here
[21:58] <neo22> ah.
[21:58] <neo22> this is probably more appropriate for the kde 4 channel
[21:59] <lz7> but i never really understand why these thingies are called "screensavers" and what they are trying to "save"
[21:59] <lz7> some kind of misconception
[21:59] <dr-raku> [trying to save] the world
[21:59] <neo22> Burn in? But not.
[22:00] <lz7> tryint to save screen by displaying moving pictures? and save power by disaplying 3D pictures?
[22:01] <dr-raku> yeah; 3d doesn't waste the battery [on a laptop, for ex.] at all! :))
[22:08] <lz7> "You can use GPLed software to implement DRM, guide nuclear missiles, or run your own organized crime syndicate <...>" (fsf.org) NICE!
[22:08] <lz7> i take it!
[22:09] <lz7> or you can sit on irc all you life dreaming of "software freedom"
[22:09] <lz7> that count too
[22:10] <lz7> sorry it must be offtopic
[22:16] <enyc> lz7: ;-)
[22:16] <void^> once upon a time crts suffered from burn in problems when the same picture was displayed for a couple of hours, hence the idea of screensavers
[22:20] <lz7> which crts? i owned vga display back in 80286 days, and still dont know what is burn in
[22:49] <mohbana> hey guys i know this might sound stupid asking it but i use vista for gaming and i can't get my ps3 controller working on it because a 64bit doesn't exist i would have got in contact with the guy who madethe 32bit ones but i dont know who he/she is.  Anyhow out of curiousty i managed to get ut working on a gusty amd64 i.e. it responds to me pressing the buttons but what really puzzle is that on vista 64 its detected because i can see it i
[22:49] <mohbana> n game controller but it simply doesn't respond to me pressing any of the buttons.  if anyone has any clue as to what i can do then go ahead.  thanks alot
[22:50] <Pici> mohbana: Er. Ask in ##windows
[23:07] <DanaG> bug 124406
[23:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124406 in ubuntu "Keyboard keys get stuck and repeat (Feisty, Gutsy)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124406
[23:49] <UnNaturalHigh> does anyone here know why the ondemand governor doesn't have a down_threshold?