[02:42] <cprofitt> pleia2: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide needs the following:
[02:43] <cprofitt> content or links on tags and categories
[03:01] <cprofitt> pleia2 I just edited it now... I marked a bunch I planned on getting to tonight
[03:11] <pleia2> cprofitt: ah, thanks!
[03:13] <cprofitt> no problem
[03:13] <cprofitt> I can't get that PageHits page to load...
[03:14] <pleia2> I can't either
[03:14] <pleia2> I tried a couple times earlier and kept getting timeouts :\
[03:15] <cprofitt> yep
[03:15] <cprofitt> something to look in too
[03:15] <cprofitt> eventually
[03:16] <cprofitt> wonder if it is this - http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/PageHitsFails
[03:17] <cprofitt> woot... the page finally loaded for me
[03:17] <cprofitt> 3989 total pages
[03:18] <pleia2> wow
[03:19] <cprofitt> yeah
[03:19] <wmorri> hi, i just wanted to let people know that the vodaphone link on this page leads to a nicely made 404 page. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto/Huawei
[03:20] <pleia2> heh, that's kind of a frightening link anyway :)
[03:20] <pleia2> "here, go download some .deb"
[03:21] <wmorri> yes it is, and chrome doesn't seem to like it.
[03:21] <pleia2> there, I linked to the project page instead
[03:22] <wmorri> great! thanks!
[03:22] <cprofitt> hmm... which still comes up as untrusted
[03:22] <pleia2> https://forge.betavine.net ?
[03:22] <pleia2> chrome seems ok with it
[03:23] <cprofitt> that page likely needs to be updated anyway since it refers to 7.10
[03:23] <cprofitt> https://forge.betavine.net/projects/vodafonemobilec/
[03:23] <cprofitt> yeah Firefox is saying it is not trusted
[03:23] <wmorri> chrome likes the new link.
[03:23] <cprofitt> the certificate they are using is not signed by a known signe
[03:24] <pleia2> ah The certificate is not trusted because no issuer chain was provided.
[03:24] <cprofitt> yep
[03:27] <cprofitt> pleia2: does going to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ forward you to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OldFront
[03:28] <pleia2> cprofitt: nope
[03:28] <cprofitt> weird... it is doing that on both of my machines
[03:29] <pleia2> strange :\
[03:29] <cprofitt> I do not get a message that I am forwarded... but the URL changes
[03:29] <pleia2> stays at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ which shows https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UserDocumentation
[03:32] <cprofitt> cleared my cache and now it is ok
[03:33] <pleia2> :)
[03:36] <cprofitt> this one is interesting that knome is working on
[03:36] <cprofitt> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NewDocs/Banner
[03:38] <pleia2> heading out to dinner, bbiab
[03:38] <cprofitt> ok
[03:38] <cprofitt> enjoy
[04:08] <cprofitt> this lookes to be a candidate for deletion
[04:08] <cprofitt> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InterWikiMap
[04:09] <cprofitt> tagged it and we can discuss / review on the ML
[04:12] <cprofitt> interesting page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiCourseHandOut
[04:16] <cprofitt> knome: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NewDocs
[04:42] <cprofitt> knome pleia2 belkinsa - interesting pages
[04:42] <cprofitt> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EventStats/UserAgents
[04:42] <cprofitt> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EventStats/HitCounts
[04:42] <cprofitt> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EventStats/Languages
[10:28] <knome> pleia2, cprofitt: i got to load the PageHits page. i have a local copy of that situation if you want it
[10:35] <knome> slickymaster, hey!
[10:35] <knome> i'm looking at NewDocs...
[10:35] <slickymaster> yes
[10:36] <knome> some of the information there doesn't seem to be directed to users browsing the contents, but the persons working on the NewDocs project
[10:36] <knome> i guess that's fine, but should we move them more towards the bottom of the page?
[10:36] <knome> and maybe refresh the layout generally a bit
[10:37] <slickymaster> yes the layout can, and should be refreshed
[10:37] <knome> and there's yet another link to a yet another list of "useful resources", which seem to be popping up at all times
[10:38] <slickymaster> you mean the helpful links' link?
[10:38] <knome> yep
[10:39] <slickymaster> well, the idea behind that was the fact that originally the creator of NewDocs didn't want to mix non *buntu links with *buntu links
[10:39] <slickymaster> that's why he created it, I guess
[10:39] <knome> i need to look at merging some of those lists
[10:40] <knome> and ensure they are relatively fresh
[10:40] <slickymaster> it was a place where he could link something Linux related but not *buntu directly related
[10:40] <knome> from NewDocs and others as well
[10:41] <slickymaster> knome: I agree. in fact the maintenance of NewDocs is something that I've just started a while back
[10:41] <slickymaster> one thing I wanted you to see is the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ToBeReviewed page
[10:43] <knome> aha
[10:43] <knome> that's not a long one
[10:44] <slickymaster> what are we supose to do with the pages falling in there?
[10:45] <slickymaster> it's not long, right now, but I guess that in will tent to grow pretty quickly if the maintenance work on NewDocs finally gets into warp speed
[10:47] <knome> :)
[10:47] <knome> updated NewDocs a bit
[10:49] <slickymaster> but you really touch an important issue when you spoke about its layout. As it is now it's not 100% functional when it concerns to users browsing the
[10:50] <slickymaster> forget what I just wrote
[10:50] <slickymaster> you must have a sort of Midas touch ;)
[10:51] <knome> HAH
[10:51] <slickymaster> functionality wise and aesthetically wise it's a giant improvement
[10:52] <knome> i guess there is one more thing that could be done for the letter pages
[10:52] <knome> include the navivation at the bottom as well
[10:52] <slickymaster> you mean include the NewDocs/Banner at the bottom of each letter page?
[10:52] <knome> yep
[10:53] <belkinsa> Thanks cprofitt, I will look at them after my finals today or tomorrow.
[10:53] <belkinsa> Morning all.
[10:53] <knome> hey belkinsa
[10:53] <slickymaster> yes, it's better than the return to the face page that presently exists
[10:53] <slickymaster> hey belkinsa
[10:53] <knome> slickymaster, or scoll back up :)
[10:53] <slickymaster> yes, either that or a back to the top link
[10:54] <knome> one extra click too
[10:56] <slickymaster> well, IMO it would look better just a back to the top link, right aligned than the inclusion of the banner
[10:57] <knome> i don't know why people would want back at the top?
[10:57] <knome> i mean, given that they have the navigation
[10:58] <slickymaster> it's just a aesthetically issue, really
[10:59] <knome> look at A
[10:59] <slickymaster> :) I'm convinced
[11:00] <knome> good
[11:00] <knome> i'll go and edit those
[11:00] <slickymaster> and it does spare an extra click
[11:01] <belkinsa> See you all later.
[11:03] <knome> bleh, surge protection
[11:04] <slickymaster> knome: ?! where?
[11:05] <knome> in the wiki.
[11:05] <knome> i'm loading too much pages.
[11:07] <slickymaster> :) easy does it
[11:12] <knome> the alphabet pages are updated
[11:16] <slickymaster> knome: tks
[11:18] <knome> cprofitt: Signpost, ExternalGuides, Links should be merged
[11:18] <slickymaster> as a matter of consistency I'm also adding the banner at the bottom of the helpful links page, the AlterationsToNewDocs and ToBeReviwed pages
[11:18] <slickymaster> knome: ^^^
[11:19] <knome> sure, if you wish to
[13:59] <knome> slickymaster, is there any reason to gather pages in ToBeReviewed instead of using categories and/or tags?
[14:00] <knome> slickymaster, or is the page mostly used for "proposed" pages for NewDocs, and if yes, shouldn't that rather be handled in mailing lists?
[15:20] <knome> cprofitt, i'm afraid pages like https://help.ubuntu.com/community/link%20to%20Streamzap%20remote%20and%20VLC are never going to be "ready"
[15:26] <knome> cprofitt, what's with the translated pages?
[15:43] <slickymaster> knome: the point of ToBeReviewed is to have a place where pages that where tagged could be placed when removed from NewDocs
[15:44] <slickymaster> knome: but yes, it should be handled in the mailing lists
[15:50] <slickymaster> were tagged ^^
[15:59] <knome> mhm
[16:18] <slickymaster> knome: about your mail regarding the merge of those 4 pages
[16:18] <slickymaster> what do you mean exactly?
[16:19] <slickymaster> making just one page of the four and linked it from the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OtherResources page?
[16:20] <knome> slickymaster, for example, yes
[16:20] <knome> slickymaster, i don't see any reason to maintain 4 different pages
[16:21] <slickymaster> I see
[16:23] <slickymaster> I can do a draft of such a page and then ping to see what you think of it
[16:24] <slickymaster> knome: ping you ^^
[16:24] <knome> sounds good
[16:24] <knome> and please email the list telling where you're drafting that so others can chime in and help
[16:24] <knome> i think the starting point could be listing all the links in the page
[16:25] <knome> then start moving them in categories one by one
[16:25] <slickymaster> I'll also inform the rest of the NewDocs involved to see what they have to say
[16:25] <knome> (and possibly rethinking their names)
[16:28] <slickymaster> knome: when you say rethinking are you referring to the links' names?
[16:28] <knome> yep
[16:29] <slickymaster> ok
[16:29] <knome> maybe the page count in the external guides isn't the most important thing
[16:29] <knome> for example
[16:31] <slickymaster> the ordered list, right?
[16:32] <slickymaster> knome: one thing though
[16:33] <knome> i don't think it matters what we use in the beginning
[16:33] <knome> yep?
[16:34] <slickymaster> seeing the structure you have right now in the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OtherResources where would this new page fall under, as there are a huge variety of topics resulting from the merge of those 4 pages?
[16:34] <slickymaster> under the more help rexources?
[16:34] <knome> i think we need to see how the categories look like before deciding on the structure
[16:35] <slickymaster> knome: but implies that every each of the links that are going to be merged must be correctly tagged, right
[16:35] <slickymaster> ?
[16:35] <knome> basically we also want to make the page as accessible for editors in the future
[16:35] <knome> correctly tagged in what way?
[16:35] <slickymaster> with the propper category tag
[16:36] <knome> well, in a way yest
[16:36] <knome> but what i was thinking
[16:36] <knome> first, copy & paste all the pages as the content for the sandbox page
[16:36] <slickymaster> yeah
[16:36] <knome> and then start working with those, so you can reuse the content easily
[16:36] <knome> after the categorising stuff is done we can look more closely how we want it formatted
[16:37] <knome> i don't think there's any sense to start formatting it before that, because it only makes editing harder
[16:37] <slickymaster> I see now what you mean
[16:37] <knome> and because we can't know how many links there would be per category
[16:37] <slickymaster> I was going in a completely distinct direction
[16:37] <knome> (and if they are useful in this listing, or if they should rather be moved to pages that cover that exact subject)
[16:39] <slickymaster> yeah, basically is to have an alphabetic listing (of all the links of the four pages) in the sandbox, by category, am I assuming correctly?
[16:39] <slickymaster> knome: ^^
[16:40] <knome> yep, the "by category" is the most important aspect at this point, i think
[16:40] <slickymaster> knome: OK. I'll do it and hopefully I'll have something for you at the weekend
[16:41] <knome> cheers
[18:05] <cprofitt> hello all
[18:05] <knome> hey cprofitt
[18:05] <knome> got to eat
[18:05] <knome> bbl
[18:05] <cprofitt> knome: not sure on translated pages -- not if they should be there or not
[18:06] <knome> pleia2 thought we should keep them
[18:06] <knome> but i'm off eating, bbiab


[11:28] <sconklin> ogasawara: do you know what % of kernel bugs are filed against linux-meta?
[11:30] <ogasawara> sconklin: I don't know off the top of my head, but I think I can find out
[13:39] <Kano> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/380138
[13:39] <ubot3> Kano: Error: Could not parse data returned by Malone: timed out
[13:40] <Kano> i created that bugreport because nobody listend to me, but the kernel patch you use is critical
[14:04] <Kano> i definitely prefer a default config that does not lead to data loss on new systems with gigabyte boards in default config
[14:04] <Kano> your kernel hack leads to that, when the full hd space is allocated
[14:21] <Kano> of course i have got my own distro, but sometimes i want to try others, but i dislike when my raid fails after testing em
[14:21] <Kano> bye
[21:13] <manjo> apw ping