[02:23] <shan> Pardon me if I'm doing this wrong.  I've never used IRC and was directed here by the Edubuntu website.  I have a question.
[02:25] <stgraber> sure, go ahead.
[02:26] <shan> I'm trying to install edubuntu using USB and get cannot mount dev loop0 on filesystem.squashfs.  I see lots of references in support forums but not many answers.
[02:27] <stgraber> what ISO image did you use for that ?
[02:27] <shan> edubuntu-10.10-dvd-i386.iso
[02:28] <stgraber> ok, did you make the USB stick from Ubuntu or from Windows ?
[02:28] <shan> Windows with Unetbootin
[02:32] <shan> looks like I might have gotten a bad dL.  I just ran MD5sum and the numbers didn't match up.  Problem solved - hopefully.
[02:32] <stgraber> ah, that'd explain it
[02:33] <shan> thanks for the assistance though.
[14:42] <highvoltage> /join #kubuntu-devel
[14:42] <highvoltage> (oops)
[15:41] <mgariepy> mornign
[15:41] <mgariepy> morning**
[15:42] <highvoltage> morning mgariépy
[20:20] <highvoltage> mgariepy: this looks kind of cool for the pdf-reader: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/11/get-chromium-on-ubuntu-to-play-mp4-h-264-mp3-view-pdf-files-natively
[20:23] <mgariepy> highvoltage, indeed it does seem cool !


[12:55] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[18:06] <vitimiti> Apart from my computer being bad, the qt5.5 repository isn't giving me a single problem after the global menu was fixed
[21:47] <elhoir> hello, does anyone know if Ubuntu 16.04 will bring LLVM 3.7 enabled? (i would want to have OpenGL 4.x support :P )
[21:48] <OerHeks> elhoir, yes > https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+package/llvm-3.7-dev
[21:49] <elhoir> oih, so i have to install the -dev package to have it enabled?!
[21:49] <elhoir> didnt know that
[21:50] <OerHeks> no no, i just pointed to the package, i should have given https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/llvm-toolchain-3.7 so it will be available.
[21:51] <elhoir> ahhh ok
[21:51] <elhoir> so i have to install llvm-toolchain-3.7
[21:51] <elhoir> will try :)
[21:52] <elhoir> uh, apt cant find it
[21:53] <Pici> thats the source package name, and it looks like the build are still sitting in proposed
[21:54] <elhoir> here it says its in release :-/ https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/llvm-toolchain-3.7
[21:55] <elhoir> weird
[21:56]  * elhoir changes APT sources server
[21:56] <Pici> elhoir: I'm sorry, you're right, anyway, the binary package names for that do not match that name exactly
[21:56] <Pici> !info llvm-3.7
[21:58]  * elhoir has just installed llvm-3.7 .... maybe i have to reboot to have 4.x OGL support....
[22:00] <elhoir> my GPUO is an AMD HD6750
[22:00] <elhoir> which is OGL 4.2 capable
[22:01] <elhoir> and, an AMD HD8400 in my laptop :P
[22:01] <elhoir> both 4.x
[22:02] <elhoir> but im stuck with 3.3 because of llvm


[11:03] <apw> hallyn_, heh you should indeed
[13:05] <alex116> hi, I'm trying to read i2c data and from userspace the example code uses ioctl
[13:06] <alex116> I want to read i2c data from a kernel module and would like to figure out how to read from the device
[13:06] <alex116> can I just use the normal open read write close functions?
[13:12] <cking> alex116, how about https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/i2c/dev-interface
[13:35] <cking> maybe https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/i2c/writing-clients
[14:10] <alex116> I was hoping I could just use the loaded driver's functions because thats all ioctl does
[14:41] <igalic> Can I somehow make it impossible (or near impossible) for apt to even consider removing linux-image-server, linux-server, linux-headers-server, etc..?
[14:44] <infinity> zequence: It's SRU time again, if you missed out on the new bugs.
[14:44] <infinity> igalic: There's no reason it would remove them unless you ask it to remove something they depend on.
[14:44] <infinity> igalic: As a general rule, people are expected to read apt's output when it tells them what it intends to do.
[14:45] <apw> infinity, arn't they even manually installed top levels so it should be hard to force them off
[14:46] <apw> igalic, how did you get into a sitruation where it wanted to, what did you ask for
[14:46] <apw> that it though could only be solved by so removing it
[14:47] <infinity> apw: They're manually installed, yeah.  Not that autoremove would ever pull them anyway, since they're never installed as deps.
[14:47] <infinity> apw: So, people removing them are doing it intentionally (ie: by removing the kernel they depend on)
[14:47] <apw> i can only assume you asked it to remove the latest kernel ?
[14:47] <igalic> We're trying to remove automatically installed kernels. We don't quite trust autoremove, since it tends to uninstall things that are "running". This "recipie" http://dpaste.com/1464493/  (from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/RemoveOldKernels ) however will remove /other/ stuff that we'd rather kept.
[14:48] <igalic> (I like how the automatic section is actually empty)
[14:51] <igalic> oh.. that's the latest kernel. That's why it's removing it.
[14:52] <igalic> so that "documentation" is lying.
[14:53] <diwic> ogasawara, I understand you will discuss this next week, but do you today have a feeling for whether you'll end up with 3.13 or 3.14 for the LTS?
[14:54] <ogasawara> diwic: most likely 3.13
[14:54] <diwic> ogasawara, thanks, that was my guess too
[14:56] <rtg> apw, dropped 'UBUNTU: SAUCE: (no-up) drm -- stop early access to drm devices' during the rebase. Do you think we still need it ?
[15:01] <infinity> igalic: "apt-get autoremove" will not remove the running kernel.  Random other weird snippets on wikis are generally suspect.
[15:02] <igalic> infinity: apt-get autoremove will not remove the running kernel, but it will remove the running kernel's utils, tools and headers.
[15:02] <infinity> igalic: Not anymore.
[15:02] <apw> rtg, i think i am supprised to still find it applied, i thought that that was fixed another way in upstream now
[15:03] <rtg> apw, well, I've been faithfully forward porting it for several releases
[15:03] <infinity> igalic: That was fixed in saucy.  In precise, it'll yank tools probably, yeah.  Maybe also headers.
[15:03] <apw> rtg, hehe ... oh well ...
[15:03] <apw> infinity, didn't we fix those deps back in the end?  i thought we did
[15:03] <rtg> apw, guess we'll find out. I haven't even boot tested this pile yet
[15:04] <igalic> infinity: that's badd, because we're running LTS
[15:04] <infinity> apw: I may have made the header fix in precise.  Can't fix the tools issue without backporting the rename/reorg.
[15:04] <igalic> infinity: can you link me to the bug?
[15:04] <apw> infinity, point, that we have done for the lts-backport kernels, saucy onwards but .. yes not before that
[15:05] <infinity> igalic: Okay, just verified, precise won't autoremove headers, but it will autoremove tools.
[15:05] <infinity> igalic: And the tools problem is hard to solve without us reorganizing the precise kernel packages.
[15:05] <infinity> (Which is probably not worth doing with another LTS around the corner, IMO)
[15:05] <infinity> Given that the number of people who need tools installed is tiny.
[15:06] <igalic> perf top is invaluable.
[15:06] <infinity> For normal users?
[15:07] <igalic> >_o
[15:07] <infinity> You and I may define normal differently. :P
[15:07] <igalic> Define normal users.
[15:07] <infinity> s/normal/average/
[15:07] <infinity> Statistically, very few people use perf.
[15:07] <igalic> I'm a Unix Admin. I don't know what you mean.
[15:07] <infinity> And the people who do use it probably intersects well with people who can read the output of "apt-get autoremove" and say "no" when it's not what they want.
[15:08] <igalic> Yes, except we have everything puppetized on hundreds of machines.
[15:08] <infinity> Anyhow, we *could* backport the whole tool renaming madness to precise, I'm just not sure it's worth the pain.
[15:09] <igalic> infinity: if I run the cool new kernels on LTS, will that still be an issue?
[15:10] <infinity> apw: Is the tool renaming magic represented in linux-lts-saucy?
[15:10] <igalic> i.e.: linux-image-generic-lts-saucy
[15:10]  * infinity looks.
[15:10] <igalic> (or any other)
[15:10] <apw> infinity, yes
[15:10] <infinity> Yeah, looks like that works.
[15:11] <apw> infinity, oh well ... perhaps the answer is "in the new one"
[15:11] <infinity> igalic: Only lts-saucy, not the earlier ones.
[15:11] <infinity> But, I'd need to backport the matching apt fix for that.
[15:11] <apw> it may not have hit updates yet, or is about to now or something
[15:11] <igalic> infinity: apw: can you link me to the issues describing this?
[15:11] <infinity> linux-tools-3.11.0-12-generic linux-tools-3.11.0-13-generic linux-tools-3.11.0-14-generic are all what I'd expect in precise.
[15:12] <infinity> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1205284
[15:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1205284 in linux (Ubuntu Precise) "linux-tools naming is not scalable to multiple source packages" [Medium,Fix committed]
[15:12] <apw> infinity, the bits for master might not be in yet, and there is a common tools package fix pending on the lts-saucy branch
[15:13] <apw> infinity, yeah the wrapper fixes are pending for the next sru round for master
[15:13] <infinity> apw: s/next/current/, or in another month?
[15:13] <apw> as in only on master-next right now
[15:14] <infinity> Bummer.  Well, I'll backport the apt fix, since that's trivial.
[15:14] <apw> ie the /usr/bin/perf won't recognise the new perf binaries till that fgoes out
[15:14] <apw> yeah, it got missed in testing
[15:14] <apw> its not like you cannot find them manually so not world ending, they are there installed
[15:18] <infinity> apw: Alright, apt backport uploaded.
[15:18] <igalic> wowzers!
[15:19] <infinity> apw: If someone wants to mangle all the tools crap in 3.2, that might make somoene happy, but I personally think it's likely not worth the effort.
[15:19] <igalic> infinity: do you have a bug for that also I can track?
[15:19] <infinity> igalic: Same bug I pasted above.
[15:23] <igalic> so, once this gets promoted (demoted?) to precise, if we have linux-image-generic-lts-saucy installed, and the system's apt-to-date, we can simply have Unattended-Upgrade::Remove-Unused-Dependencies "true"; and everything will be perfectly fine.
[15:25] <ppisati> bjf: i'm preparing the P/omap4 kernel
[15:25] <bjf> ppisati, ack
[15:28]  * ppisati disappears for a bit
[15:30] <infinity> igalic: If you want headers too, that would be linux-generic-lts-saucy
[15:30] <infinity> igalic: And linux-tools-generic-lts-saucy for tools.
[15:30] <igalic> infinity: linux-generic-lts-saucy installs headers also?
[15:31] <infinity> igalic: "linux-generic" depends on "linux-image-generic" and "linux-headers-generic" (trade "generic" for flavour du jour, like generic-lts-saucy)
[15:31] <igalic> infinity: I think I've asked this question a couple of times, but, what's the difference between -generic, -server, -chewgum, -etc ?
[15:32] <infinity> igalic: These days, generic is the only flavour, though there's a fake not-quite-flavour called virtual, which is actually just generic without most of the modules.
[15:33] <infinity> igalic: But, on LTSes, you'll have different generic options for the HWE backport kernels (like lts-raring, lts-saucy, etc).
[15:33] <infinity> Oh, I guess it's not fair to say "generic" is the only one, as there's also lowlatency.
[15:33] <infinity> But it's the only one built from the master sources. :P
[15:34] <igalic> What's that mean?
[15:35] <infinity> There's a "linux" source package, maintained by the Canonical kernel team, and it only produces the generic (and virtual) flavour.
[15:35] <apw> (and notionally the server flavour)
[15:35] <infinity> lowlatency is a rebased fork maintained by the Ubuntustudio team, which has a few different twiddles.  Not particularly ideal for servers, so probably of little intrerest to you.
[15:35] <infinity> apw: There is no server flavour.
[15:36] <infinity> (Not anymore)
[15:36] <apw> there is a linux-server and linux-{image,headers}-server though
[15:36] <apw> which are used in server images, which is why it is notional
[15:37] <infinity> apw: Sure, but it just installs generic. ;)
[15:37] <apw> right, just .. dunoo ... being a pedant
[15:37] <infinity> I suppose it keeps the option open if we feel the need to fork configs again some day.
[15:37] <infinity> But with scheduler improvements and the like, forked configs are less interesting over time.
[15:37] <igalic> It would be nice to install -server and have sysctl settings actually worthy of a server.
[15:38] <apw> igalic, that would be possible, as it has its own meta package
[15:38] <apw> igalic, if there was a definative set which made sense
[15:43] <igalic> apw: disabling the oom killer for instance ;)
[15:45] <apw> igalic, i don't think disabling that is going to solve any issues, yo should never ben runnig a server to the point it would need to
[15:49] <infinity> Disabling the OOM killer doesn't magically prevent you from running out of RAM.
[15:50] <infinity> It does, on the other hand, assume that the first few processes started are the only ones allowed to have memory leaks, which might be a desired behaviour for some.
[15:50] <igalic> No, it doesn't but it magically prevents the kernel from not killing processes even though I'm NOT out of RAM.
[15:51] <infinity> igalic: When you're out of RAM, all your processes are out of RAM.  Until a sufficiently large one crashes.  *shrug*
[15:51] <infinity> The OOM killer attempts to make intelligent decisions based on usage patterns.  It's not necessarily any dumber than the non-oom-kill algorithm of "let stuff crash when it tries to malloc()".
[15:52] <infinity> igalic: Without the OOM killer, you could leak with some Java servlet, but the malloc() that hits the brick wall could be init.  Instant kernel panic, game over.
[15:53] <infinity> igalic: You can't control WHICH process hits the last available page and dies.
[15:53] <igalic> please read http://www.twistedmatrix.com/users/glyph/rant/softethics.html
[15:54] <apw> your point with that ?
[15:54] <apw> or is that a total no-sequiter
[15:54] <infinity> apw: It's unethical to prevent init(8) from dying, if that's what it chose to do.
[15:55] <infinity> apw: How dare we stand in the way of its suicide attempt via malloc().
[15:55] <apw> igalic, anyhow if you can change it via sysclt, one can do that, so ...
[15:57] <igalic> apw: read the bit about car manufacturers.
[15:59] <igalic> (I think a good resource is also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=284 )
[15:59] <infinity> igalic: It's a poor analogy, in reference to the above discussion.  If your car runs out of gas, do you think it would be appropriate for it to jam a piston through the hood and send a tire flying off the side of the road?
[16:00] <infinity> igalic: Sure, if you had just kept the tank topped up, you'd be a responsible driver, and you'd still have an engine.  On the other hand, lolwut?
[16:01] <igalic> I think a better "fuel" analogy is this one https://lwn.net/Articles/104179/ ;)
[16:03] <apw> so all one needs to do is swtich to full commit mode for allocation and ensure you have enough swap
[16:04] <igalic> And suddenly you have a predictable VM. YAY. It's almost like I'm using a Unix.
[16:06] <apw> yeha right, like they wern't the same
[17:09] <ppisati> rtg: i'm building a test kernel
[17:10] <rtg> ppisati, ack, I'm about to email a comment to robher about the mac learning patch
[17:12] <TooLmaN> Hi guys.  I'm back to working on embedded projects and I'm rusty on kernel building.  What is a good resource for building a kernel from source on Ubuntu/Mint?  The Wiki appears to be a bit dated.  Thanks
[17:16] <ppisati> [flag@luxor ubuntu-saucy]$ git fetch origin
[17:16] <ppisati> [flag@luxor ubuntu-saucy]$ git rhard origin/master-next
[17:16] <ppisati> HEAD is now at a223125 UBUNTU: SAUCE: (no-up) apparmor: Fix tasks not subject to, reloaded policy
[17:16] <ppisati> [flag@luxor ubuntu-saucy]$ git cherry-pick -sx f0915781bd5edf78b1154e61efe962dc15872d09
[17:16] <ppisati> [master-next 15fa8df] ARM: tlb: don't perform inner-shareable invalidation for local TLB ops Author: Will Deacon<EMAIL_ADDRESS>3 files changed, 123 insertions(+), 30 deletions(-)
[17:16] <ppisati> rtg: ^
[17:16] <ppisati> rhard is an alias for 'reset --hard'
[17:17] <rtg> ppisati, huh, well maybe I fat fingered something.
[17:17] <ppisati> rtg: actually that hash comes from rmk's git tree
[17:18] <rtg> ppisati, well, try the same patch from Linus' tree
[17:18] <ppisati> rtg: but if you don't have that remote, it would probably say 'unknown hash or something'
[17:18] <ppisati> rtg: let's see
[17:21] <TooLmaN> disregard.  I had to add the source repos.
[17:22] <ppisati> rtg: even linus version apply ok
[17:22] <ppisati> [flag@luxor ubuntu-saucy]$ git cherry-pick -sx f091578
[17:22] <ppisati> [master-next acaa3ca] ARM: tlb: don't perform inner-shareable invalidation for local TLB ops Author: Will Deacon<EMAIL_ADDRESS>3 files changed, 123 insertions(+), 30 deletions(-)
[17:22] <rtg> ppisati, ok, works for me then
[17:22] <ppisati> anyhow
[17:22] <ppisati> let's wait until it builds
[17:23] <rtg> ppisati, isn't that the same SHA1 as rmk tree ? f091578 and f0915781bd5edf78b1154e61efe962dc15872d09
[17:23] <ppisati> same sha
[17:24] <rtg> ppisati, ok, I see what I did. I got the wrong patch, e.g., 'ARM: tlb: don't perform inner-shareable invalidation for local BP'
[17:24] <ppisati> rtg: yeah, slightly different subj
[17:24] <ppisati> rtg: local BP vs local TLB
[17:24] <rtg> ppisati, too damn close...
[18:10] <ppisati> rtg: sent
[18:10] <rtg> ppisati, ack
[20:54] <slangasek> apw: hey, can you sanity check me... does fsync() have any meaning on ptys?
[21:01] <apw> slangasek, i cannot think what it would mean on a pty
[21:01] <slangasek> hmm
[21:01] <apw> the data is either in the hole or it is not
[21:02] <slangasek> so I'm asking because of https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Trusty/view/AutoPkgTest/job/trusty-adt-upstart/14/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/ - an upstart test that's failed intermittently, because a log file that's supposed to be created didn't get created
[21:02] <slangasek> and I'm trying to figure out why; my current guess is in-kernel buffering
[21:03] <slangasek> but that's a SWAG
[21:03] <slangasek> the other possibility is the kernel is doing everything right, and upstart is just failing to create the logfile with the data it's meant to be reading from the pty ;)
[21:08] <apw> slangasek, if you can point me at the source for the test, i'll have a think about it and figure out if fsync means anything
[21:10] <slangasek> apw: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/trusty/upstart/trusty/view/head:/init/tests/test_state.c#L2115 vs. http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/trusty/upstart/trusty/view/head:/init/tests/test_state.c#L2143
[21:12] <slangasek> anyway, fsync() returns non-zero, so in practice that's the wrong interface anyway ;)
[22:04]  * rtg -> EOW


[03:44] <mason> I'm having a braino. I installed a Bionic server, and when I look at available CPUs it doesn't show any IBRS models.
[03:45] <mason> I'm not sure why this is. My (bionic) desktop shows them.
[17:57] <ThKitten> hey guys, I need some help right quick with trying to install some software. I keep getting the following, and despite all my googling, I've found no good solutions for the issue: https://pastebin.com/DD93a3Ce
[18:06] <OerHeks> "You need to both download the key signature and add it ot the apt keyring. They provide a deb package that does it all for you - apt.typesafe.com/repo-deb-build-0002.deb
[18:06] <OerHeks> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/448315/ubuntu-apt-get-update#comment813518_448315
[18:08] <ThKitten> OerHeks:  If you look at the comment under that, you'll see that this solution does not work. I too have done this, and it doesn't work at all
[18:09] <OerHeks> ThKitten, then ask their forum??
[18:13] <mybalzitch> or read the apt-secure man page
[18:34] <ThKitten> I was able to work around it, I'm having a different issue, no one is responding in #nginx. On the setup page here: https://github.com/ornicar/lila/wiki/Lichess-Development-Onboarding it has a nginx config there I can copy and paste. I'm wanting to setup this app under www.website.com/chess. The main site is already setup to utilize a wordpress site. Any way I can do this??
[18:50] <ThKitten> any thoughts OerHeks?
[18:51] <teward> ThKitten: that would only work *if* the app you're trying to run can support being run under a sublocation
[18:51] <teward> *most* don't support that
[18:51] <teward> it'd be easier to run as a separate subdomain for website.com and just leverage nginx on the same box
[18:51] <ThKitten> unfortunately this absolutely MUST run under a sublocation. Having a separate domain name is not possible
[18:52] <teward> then I think you're out of luck
[18:52] <teward> and I didn't say separate domain name
[18:53] <teward> i said subdomain.  which if you own the domain is as simple as a second DNS entry
[18:54] <ThKitten> hmm alright
[18:57] <teward> ThKitten: briefly looking at that project it *looks* like it's designed to sit in its own domain or as the root location, rather than in a sublocation.  Getting such apps to work in locations underneath the root domain can be VERY difficult
[20:10] <kinghat> apt cant use a repo over https by default?
[20:11] <kinghat> looking into docker and step #2 wants that: https://docs.docker.com/install/linux/docker-ce/ubuntu/#install-using-the-repository
[20:12] <kinghat> apt doesnt allow repos to use https by default?*
[20:18] <kinghat> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/fc83c479/
[20:19] <kinghat> this is on desktop but just figured https was default?
[20:19] <kinghat> im probably just misunderstanding something
[20:22] <OerHeks> no, http is default, install that package apt-transport-https andit will work?
[20:23] <kinghat> yep i guess my sources file show all http.
[20:23] <kinghat> wait nvm, yarn shows https?
[20:24] <kinghat> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/11wKE7sT/image.png
[20:26] <OerHeks> well, it is not hosted by us, so it could be https, and you need that transport-https too
[20:27] <kinghat> well neither is docker but it says it needs https
[20:28] <OerHeks> yay, you found out some 3rd party repos use https
[20:31] <kinghat> i mean is it not really using https?
[20:32] <OerHeks> i think https is the only way to acess those, so i guess you would have transport-https already, or never installed docker and such
[20:33] <kinghat> ya i didnt have `apt-transport-https` but yarn never told me to get it and it installed fine. which is why im asking why docker says i need it?
[20:34] <kinghat> and now: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/971e9eca/
[20:36] <OerHeks> sudo apt-get install docker-ce=<VERSION>
[20:37] <OerHeks> apt-cache madison docker-ce  # this shows the versions, from your own url https://docs.docker.com/install/linux/docker-ce/ubuntu/#install-docker-ce-1
[20:41] <kinghat> thats to install a specific version i thought. previous instruction is `sudo apt-get install docker-ce`
[20:44] <OerHeks> did you run apt update && apt full-upgrade before installing?
[20:44] <kinghat> ya
[20:45] <OerHeks> so if your method did not work, does the correct one do the job?
[20:49] <kinghat> my method? i followed their directions..
[20:50] <OerHeks> apt-get install docker-ce did not work, right?
[20:50] <kinghat> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/006a631a/
[20:52] <OerHeks> and the output of apt-cache madison docker-ce ?
[20:54] <kinghat> nothing
[20:56] <OerHeks> i see, only test and nightly
[20:56] <OerHeks> https://download.docker.com/linux/ubuntu/dists/cosmic/
[20:57] <OerHeks> so edit the sourses.list.d/ docker.file
[20:58] <OerHeks> oh, a bug report that says it is not a bug https://github.com/docker/for-linux/issues/442
[20:58] <OerHeks> for stable, stay on 18.04
[20:59] <OerHeks> ofcourse, i run LTS now, after 10 years of testing anything
[21:01] <kinghat> damn i forgot im on cosmic
[21:04] <OerHeks> then nightly it is ..
[21:05] <kinghat> im moving back to LTS anyways.
[21:06] <kinghat> ill just install the deb as this install wont be around much longer.
[21:16] <kinghat> wat? http://paste.debian.net/hidden/59e5e3e1/
[21:21] <kinghat> removed the other pkg but still: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/d6289aaf/
[21:38] <kinghat> hmmm http://paste.debian.net/hidden/5d0749ad/
[21:43] <OerHeks> maybe the wrong ppa line causes this?
[21:46] <kinghat> i remove the source and installed the one from the ubuntu repo
[21:47] <kinghat> which was suggested in that git issue your posted above.
[22:17] <kinghat> everything installed fine on LTS
[22:21] <OerHeks> :-)
[23:24] <mason> Anyone know where qemu-kvm keeps CPU definitions? I spun up a new hypervisor and I'm not seeing -ibrs CPU variants available for guests.
[23:25] <mason> (Bionic.)


[01:39] <bobby> Anybody know if 3.7 is in Synaptic yet? I have the daily PPA, but I can't find 3.7 in synaptic, and I can't make from the .tar.bz2 file from mozilla :s
[01:39] <bobby> Wait, no I finally found it :)
[01:41] <micahg> bobby: still broke, should be fixed in about 6 hrs
[01:41] <bobby> No, I finally found it
[01:41] <bobby> It is there
[01:41] <bobby> Oh yeah, did you guys know that there is no make file in the 3.7a5 .tar.bz2 source?
[01:42] <micahg> bobby: it's generated
[01:42] <bobby> ? Didn't work for me when I tried to build it earlier...
[05:09] <ddecator> micahg: i was just about to work on the patch that i want to try and fix, but it looks like there may be a new issue with the latest songbird build, so i'm going to look into it, but i probably won't have it done tonight
[05:11] <micahg> ddecator: k, np
[09:07] <BUGabundo_remote> sleep check,clothes check,Monday start ohhhh
[09:12] <BUGabundo_remote> fta: http://www.google.com/buzz/117086801193576801205/d57ErVAs8yH/Testing-the-Buzz-API-in-Gwibber
[12:17] <gnomefreak> it seems that opening thunderbird and irssi causes irssi to blink and move around  <- very odd
[12:17] <gnomefreak> also tb has no (close/min/max buttons
[12:17] <gnomefreak> )
[12:21]  * gnomefreak going to upgrade other box to Lucid and see if i cant work with it, maybe email will have to wait a day or 3
[12:34] <nikolam> hi. anyone knows how to stop that moronic flashing of download window in taskbar
[12:35] <nikolam> after finished download
[12:35] <nikolam> it continues to flash forever,
[13:33] <BUGabundo_remote> fta: what was that link to a code proj  for upstream bugs?
[13:34] <BUGabundo_remote> http://code.google.com/p/youtube-html5-chrome/wiki/UpstreamBugs
[13:34] <BUGabundo_remote> d
[13:46] <BUGabundo_remote> fta: http://videojs.com/  awesome
[14:54] <fta> BUGabundo_remote, for me, flash is no longer usable. http://paste.ubuntu.com/438769/
[14:54] <fta> could be related to gdk, like https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/584287
[14:55] <fta> chrisccoulson, are you aware of an upstream bug for that? or better, a fix in gtk trunk??
[14:55] <micahg> bug 584959
[14:56] <fta> the bot is dead here, it works in other channels though
[14:56]  * micahg will go request a reload
[14:56] <fta> ubot2 is fine, 4 is not
[15:02] <fta> bug 584959
[15:02] <fta> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/584287
[15:02] <fta> naaah
[15:04] <BUGabundo_remote> aha
[15:04]  * BUGabundo_remote kicks the bot
[15:04] <BUGabundo_remote> bug 584959
[15:04] <BUGabundo_remote> ubot4: bug 584959
[15:04]  * BUGabundo_remote kicks harder
[15:06] <fta> bug 584959
[15:14] <micahg> bug 584959
[15:15] <micahg> ubot4: wake up
[15:15] <ubot4> Factoid 'wake up' not found
[15:15] <micahg> bug 584959
[15:19] <micahg> chrisccoulson: BTW, 3.6.4 BUILD5 :)
[15:26] <chrisccoulson> micahg - ok, i will get that in to the u-m-s PPA shortly
[15:32] <fta> micahg, any plan to fix the dailies? got several requests from users
[15:33] <micahg> fta: which ones?  ff37 is fixed now
[15:33] <fta> (i can't forward atm, evolution is crashing)
[15:33] <micahg> ff36, I was waiting for last build to get into maverick before updataing
[15:34] <micahg> tb31 and tb32 early next month
[15:34] <micahg> bug 584959
[15:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 584959 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) "flashplugin crashes in chromium with RGBA enabled (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/584959
[15:34] <chrisccoulson> fta / micahg - it looks like they just need building with --disable-ipdl-tests
[15:35] <micahg> chrisccoulson: the dailies?
[15:35] <chrisccoulson> the new test suite doesn't seem to work properly
[15:35] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah
[15:35] <micahg> chrisccoulson: are the tests totally broke now?
[15:35] <chrisccoulson> micahg - it's just the new test suite for the IPC stuff
[15:35] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I'm wondering if I should file bugs upstream
[15:36] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, i wasn't sure whether the test suite was meant to work just yet
[15:36] <chrisccoulson> (it doesn't even compile)
[15:37] <fta> micahg, yep, looks like my flash bug. but it's gtk related, nothing i can do and the desktop team doesn't seem to be motivated :(
[15:37] <micahg> chrisccoulson: well, it's a stable branch, I think everything should work
[15:38] <micahg> chrisccoulson: when you tag build5 can you disable the tests and I'll try to get a patch upstream this weekend maybe
[15:39] <chrisccoulson> micahg - the tests are already disabled there by virtue of them being disabled by default upstream. i'm just wondering if the build now defaults to --enable-ipdl-tests in 3.6.5 when you don't explicitly disable them
[15:40] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yes :)
[15:41] <micahg> chrisccoulson: BTW, we have a flag to enable :)
[15:41] <chrisccoulson> micahg - oh, the dailies are building with --enable-ipdl-tests set explicitly
[15:42] <chrisccoulson> that's my error there - i added some logic in debian/rules for enabling/disabling that flag, and then intended to comment it out when i realised the tests didn't work
[15:42] <chrisccoulson> but i didn't comment enough out ;)
[15:44] <micahg> chrisccoulson: the flag makes sense and worked fine until recently :)
[15:45] <micahg> chrisccoulson: can you give me a lucid status for bug 572018
[15:45] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 572018 in enigmail-locales (Ubuntu) "enigmail-locales weren't updated for 1.0.1 enigmail release (affects: 9) (dups: 2) (heat: 70)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/572018
[15:47] <chrisccoulson> micahg - done
[15:47] <chrisccoulson> fta - the dailies should build again on the next run
[15:47] <fta> chrisccoulson, thanks
[15:47] <micahg> chrisccoulson: thanks
[15:47] <fta> chrisccoulson, do you know who could help for the gtk/rgba bug?
[15:47] <chrisccoulson> fta - i'm not sure. possibly bratsche might be able to help
[15:48] <micahg> chrisccoulson: oops, you might want to look over that 3.6 branch change again :)
[15:49] <chrisccoulson> micahg - how come?
[15:49] <micahg> chrisccoulson: you left the else at the end ;)
[15:49] <chrisccoulson> micahg - that's intentional - that belongs to the ifeq which is outside of the comment block
[15:50] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ah, my mistake, that comment after the if got me :)
[15:50] <chrisccoulson> heh, no worries
[15:51] <micahg> uh oh, xulrunner dropped 2.3MB in installed size :(
[16:55] <gnomefreak> grub is backwards now :(
[16:56] <micahg> burg?
[16:56] <gnomefreak> :) i updated karmic -> lucid and now lucid kernel is the first one nad maverick is the second one it should be other way around
[16:57] <micahg> gnomefreak: it could be it installs the newest one first
[16:58] <gnomefreak> yeah that is what i was thinking but i think i is related to marking all disks on grub setup
[16:58] <gnomefreak> s/i/it
[16:59]  * gnomefreak can worry about that tomorrow, today is another big issue
[17:00] <gnomefreak> ok hopfully i will be here without having to kill -9 anything
[17:03] <gnomefreak76> i think im going to evo or claws. me+tb3=alot of problems one being i cant use tb3 + anything at same time. that makes both useless
[17:04] <micahg> gnomefreak: there seem to be some issues with TB3 + cairo 1.8.10
[17:05] <micahg> gnomefreak: are you crashing?
[17:05] <gnomefreak> micahg: no just no way to close it and terminal or whatever i am running with it flashes to foreground and back to background
[17:06] <gnomefreak> makes both useless. not sure why i lost the window controls on tb3
[17:07] <gnomefreak> cant use file->quit since the flashing prevents me from being able to open menu for more than 1 sec
[17:07] <micahg> gnomefreak: what video carD?
[17:08] <micahg> gnomefreak: bug 564011
[17:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 564011 in iceweasel (Debian) (and 1 other project) "Thunderbird 3.0.4 windowing issues (Lucid Lynx) (affects: 12) (dups: 2) (heat: 82)" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/564011
[17:08] <gnomefreak> nvidia 6200
[17:08] <gnomefreak> thanks looking
[17:09] <micahg> gnomefreak: do you get the same issues in Seamonkey?
[17:11] <gnomefreak> same thing happens in firefox
[17:11] <gnomefreak> not sure if SM yet. kind of scared to test it
[17:12] <gnomefreak> micahg: same in SM2
[17:12] <gnomefreak> epiphany works
[17:13] <micahg> gnomefreak: more cairo fallout it seems :( I should have just used in source + our patch for Lucid ....
[17:13] <gnomefreak> im leaning towards it being more of an xul bug
[17:13] <micahg> gnomefreak: well, xul 191 + cairo 1.8.10
[17:14] <micahg> gnomefreak: is it the same as the bug I showed you or different?
[17:14] <gnomefreak> you want me to add xul191 to bug?
[17:14] <micahg> gnomefreak: no, it's not an issue in archive w/xul191
[17:14] <gnomefreak> it seems the same but i need to finish reading it
[17:15] <micahg> only Lucid is affect as it has cairo 1.8.10
[17:15] <gnomefreak> micahg: seems by first comment it is not the same my menus are there just the app doesnt stay in foreground long enough to do anything
[17:16] <gnomefreak> maverick as well with daily builds
[17:16] <gnomefreak> oh and i dont use compiz or anything like it
[17:18] <gnomefreak> micahg: im missing the window controls on top right boarder i do have file and rest of menus but it flashes to background and foreground within 1 sec or less so cant keep a menu open
[17:18] <micahg> gnomefreak: weird, I'm curious, could you see if an upstream build does the same?
[17:19] <gnomefreak> yeah ill test with ff if it still happens than its safe to say it will with sm and tb
[17:19] <micahg> gnomefreak: ff36 is xul192
[17:20] <gnomefreak> so is tb i thought
[17:20] <micahg> gnomefreak: no, tb3 is xul191 as is SM2
[17:20] <gnomefreak> micahg: well it happens on all 3 here
[17:21] <micahg> ugh
[17:21] <micahg> gnomefreak: any other GTK apps?
[17:21] <gnomefreak> so i dont think that the xul version matters unless its a problem in 191 and hasnt been fixed anywhere
[17:21] <gnomefreak> micahg: no not so far
[17:21] <micahg> gnomefreak: ff37 daily also?
[17:21] <gnomefreak> ill check. webkit works all webkit works it seems
[17:21] <micahg> gnomefreak: yeah, so check an upstream build so we can know if it's a system lib issue or an upstream issue
[17:22] <micahg> bbiab
[17:22] <gnomefreak> 3.7 as well :(
[17:22]  * gnomefreak goes for upstream 3.6
[17:24]  * gnomefreak be back as well, need a smoke
[17:28] <gnomefreak> epiphany started doing it when download was done
[17:28] <gnomefreak> that means not a xul bug?
[17:30] <gnomefreak> 02:0b.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV44A [GeForce 6200] (rev a1)  is the card
[17:32] <gnomefreak> cant get upstream to run. sh run-mozilla.sh and run-mozilla.sh do not work but the file is there
[17:37] <gnomefreak> run-mozilla.sh: Cannot execute .
[17:40] <gnomefreak> well that was new. running from CLI i lose all panels and firefox but term is only thing showing and it is still blinking
[17:41] <gnomefreak> happens in safemode as well. i need to figure out why sh isnt working
[17:42] <micahg> k, bbiab, will think about it
[17:42] <gnomefreak> micahg: before you go how do i run the upstream version
[17:43] <ddecator> if you download the tarball, extract it and run the firefox file in there
[17:43] <gnomefreak> ddecator: that wont run the installed version?
[17:44] <ddecator> gnomefreak: not when i've done testing. you just cd into the dir and run ./firefox (with the ending if there is one, can't remember...)
[17:46] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@Development:~/firefox/firefox$ ./firefox opens it but still does the same thing. problem i am seeeing is it is now causing the panels to disappear no firefox is shown but the other windows i have open blink
[17:47]  * gnomefreak should have stayed in bed today. be back in a few hcanging laundry to drier
[17:56]  * gnomefreak guesses no need to test with stable apps in Lucid since it happens upstream 3.6.3
[17:57] <gnomefreak> cant get screenshot either
[17:59] <gnomefreak> happens with sunbird as well. testing epiphany again
[18:03] <gnomefreak> seems i was wrong epiphany is fine as well as chromium
[18:43]  * gnomefreak is officially out of ideas
[18:44] <gnomefreak> i cant imagine that xul191 192 and 193 are all broken at same time but it seems to be
[19:06] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I'm test building TB3.0.5 build 2 now, if I push it up soon, can you push to security PPA?
[19:06] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i can
[19:07] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, thanks, I'll ping you when it's ready
[19:07]  * micahg forgot it needs a USN...
[19:07] <micahg> mdeslaur: can I get a USN for the Thunderbird 3.0.5 release?
[19:07] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it does
[19:08] <micahg> chrisccoulson: BTW, asac suggested we try to backport the critical security fixes for TB2
[19:09] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, i was unsure whether we were going to try that or just backport 3.0.x
[19:09] <micahg> chrisccoulson: well, I can give it a try, he said just stuff that affects a default install i.e. no JS stuff
[19:10] <gnomefreak> that should hld until we get 3.0 done for hardy+
[19:10] <gnomefreak> s/hld/hold
[19:10] <micahg> gnomefreak: no 3.0 for hardy if this works, that's the point :)
[19:11] <micahg> gnomefreak: on that topic actually, can you make me a thunderbird-stable PPA for the mozilla team?
[19:11] <micahg> gnomefreak: or make me an admin so I can make it?
[19:11] <gnomefreak> micahg: right but my point being if there is a problem than the security updates would be handy (but ive been away for last week or so)
[19:11] <micahg> gnomefreak: not following
[19:11] <gnomefreak> micahg: yes ill make you admin
[19:12] <micahg> gnomefreak: thanks :)
[19:12] <gnomefreak> micahg: the 2.0 security fixes should be used if hardy 3.0 doesnt happen for a while
[19:12] <asac> chrisccoulson: tb2 to tb3 is quite a substantial change wrt features and user interface
[19:12] <micahg> gnomefreak: I want to push updates to a stable PPA so we can get some testing on hardy, but hopefully we won't have to push as that requires updating more than jsut TB
[19:12] <asac> chrisccoulson: in ubuntu we always default to backport patches if doable at all .... and if you consider javascript not affecting TB, it should be perfectly doable
[19:12] <gnomefreak> k
[19:13] <chrisccoulson> asac - that's ok then. i was just a bit unsure of how much effort would be involved maintaining that
[19:14] <asac> chrisccoulson: usually you get 1 or 2 patches every 3 month on TB
[19:14] <chrisccoulson> thats good then :)
[19:14] <asac> often they apply, because they are against quite stable piece of code ... like imap protocol etc.
[19:14] <asac> i think some rework on those pieces was done for tb3, so it might be a bit more rebasing required
[19:14] <asac> but i would suggest to first try that
[19:14] <gnomefreak> micahg: done
[19:15] <micahg> gnomefreak: thanks
[19:16] <gnomefreak> micahg: np
[19:18] <gnomefreak> ok all membership that were waiting are done. i guess ill play more with all of our apps tomorrow. micahg all mozilla apps are doing it here even sunbird. but ill be back tomorrow
[19:19] <gnomefreak> oh crap updates first
[19:19] <micahg> gnomefreak: k
[19:39] <micahg> \o/ thunderbird-stable is live :)
[19:39] <BUGabundo> \m/
[19:39]  * micahg hopes it doesn't turn out to be a frankenstein :)
[19:46] <BUGabundo> LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
[19:49] <fta> bug 584959 :(
[19:49] <fta> ubot4 eh!
[19:49] <ubot4> Factoid 'eh!' not found
[19:50] <fta> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/584959
[19:50] <micahg> fta: it seems there's a bug in LP that's causing the hickups
[19:50] <micahg> anyone experiencing bug 575160
[19:50] <fta> asac, micahg: that flash crash is caused by an ubuntu patch in gtk, i don't see how it's fixable, esp with the backports
[19:51] <micahg> fta: well, the csd patch won't be in the backports
[19:51] <micahg> fta: and bratsche can try to fix the patch
[19:52] <fta> micahg, he said chromium needs a fix
[19:53] <micahg> fta: well, can he help with the chromium fix?
[19:53] <fta> he said not this week
[19:54] <micahg> fta: k, that's not that bad then, if he said not this cycle I'd be more worried :)
[19:54] <fta> well, i guess i'll revert the gtk patch for now, it's all broken for me
[19:55] <micahg> fta: you can push that to a PPA as a workaround for people
[19:56]  * micahg goes hunting for an IRC admin to reset ubot4
[19:58] <mdeslaur> micahg: use USN-943-1, please
[19:58] <micahg> mdeslaur: k, thanks
[21:17] <micahg> chrisccoulson: won't be able to push TB3 up today, will try early tomorrow
[21:25] <chrisccoulson> micahg - ok, no worries
[21:43] <chrisccoulson> lol @ bug 583931
[21:43] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 583931 in firefox (Ubuntu) "a sound type "PACMAN" appear when I turn on Firefox (affects: 7) (dups: 4)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/583931
[21:43] <chrisccoulson> i can't believe we got a bug report about that
[21:45]  * micahg can believe it
[21:45] <dupondje> can somebody check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/562802
[21:45] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 562802 in firefox (Ubuntu) "xorg use cpu 100% sometime with firefox (affects: 4) (heat: 24)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[21:46] <micahg> dupondje: most likely an org bug related to the drivers I would think
[21:46] <micahg> wait, that one the drivers were fine, maybe an xorg server issue
[21:46] <dupondje> weird its only in firefox :)
[21:47] <ddecator> yah i've been trying to figure out what might be causing that, haven't had a chance to look in to it much (hard to figure out since i can't reproduce it)
[21:47] <BUGabundo> chrisccoulson: you've got to be kidding me
[21:47] <BUGabundo> are ppl that DUMB?
[21:47] <ddecator> BUGabundo: mozilla got a ton of reports for the same thing
[21:47] <chrisccoulson> BUGabundo, it was reported 5 times ;)
[21:47] <BUGabundo> oh come on!!!
[21:47] <BUGabundo> I can't believe it!!!!!
[21:47] <chrisccoulson> neither can i
[21:47] <BUGabundo> please tell me it's a 1 april joke?
[21:47] <chrisccoulson> but it's mildly amusing
[21:48] <micahg> dupondje: are there steps to reproduce?  Maybe someone in #ubuntu-x can test with similar hardware?
[21:48] <ddecator> i laughed when i got the emails
[21:48] <chrisccoulson> ddecator, yeah, i just decided to go through my bug mail and was pretty amazed to see the reports ;)
[21:49] <BUGabundo> I got to read the descriptions
[21:50] <BUGabundo> LOL @ linux virus
[21:50] <fta> oh man, acroread is broken too
[21:50] <BUGabundo> and me thinking the "won't print on tuesdays" was the funniest bug ever
[21:56] <micahg> asac: chrisccoulson: DMB meeting tomorrow (our package set is on the agenda) 14:00 UTC
[21:57] <fta> BUGabundo, lol, i think i'm doomed
[21:57] <fta> root@ix:~ # tcpdump
[21:57] <fta> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[21:57] <BUGabundo> ahahaahahahahaahahaha
[22:01] <fta> jdstrand, ^^
[22:01] <fta> [12181.133140] type=1503 audit(1274734610.178:15):  operation="open" pid=5244 parent=4999 profile="/usr/sbin/tcpdump" requested_mask="r::" denied_mask="r::" fsuid=0 ouid=0 name="/sys/class/net/"
[22:02] <micahg> fta: he's on vacation
[22:02] <fta> oh my
[22:02] <micahg> fta: ask mdeslaur
[22:02] <fta> mdeslaur, ^^ then :)
[22:03] <fta> how come it didn't hurt anyone until now? it's the same version as lucid
[22:03] <micahg> fta: maybe a new system reqsource?
[22:03] <micahg> *resource
[22:03] <mdeslaur> fta: tcpdump segfaults?
[22:03] <fta> mdeslaur, yes, in maverick
[22:04] <mdeslaur> fta: looks like the apparmor profile needs adjusting...please file a bug
[22:04] <fta> mdeslaur, http://paste.ubuntu.com/439052/ but there's no -dbg/dbgsym for that in maverick
[22:05] <BUGabundo> we really need ddebs back
[22:05] <mdeslaur> fta: we don't need a backtrace. The apparmor profile is blocking /sys/class/net, which is making it segfault.
[22:06] <fta> BUGabundo, i asked pitti earlier today, he enabled them
[22:06] <BUGabundo> YAY
[22:07] <mdeslaur> fta: for now, you can simply do "aa-complain /usr/sbin/tcpdump"
[22:07] <mdeslaur> fta: that will make the profile simply complain instead of enforcing
[22:08] <mdeslaur> fta: actually...
[22:08] <fta> bug 585150
[22:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 585150 in tcpdump (Ubuntu) "tcpdump segfaults because of apparmor (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/585150
[22:08] <mdeslaur> fta: "sudo touch /etc/apparmor.d/disable/usr.sbin.tcpdump" and then "sudo apparmor_parser -R /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.tcpdump" will disable the profile for you
[22:08] <mdeslaur> thanks for the bug fta
[22:12] <ddecator> wow, didn't expect someone to take the pacman bug to that level...
[22:12] <BUGa_Alice_in_WL> ahaha
[22:19] <fta> google made the pacman thing permanent
[22:19]  * micahg prepares for more bug reports :-/
[22:20] <fta> no, it will move to /pacman
[22:20] <micahg> we have a pacman package :)
[22:20] <ddecator> yah, thankfully
[22:20] <ddecator> do we really?
[22:20] <micahg> !info pacman
[22:21] <ubot4> micahg: pacman (source: pacman): Chase Monsters in a Labyrinth. In component universe, is optional. Version 10-17ubuntu1 (lucid), package size 28 kB, installed size 160 kB
[22:21] <ddecator> :D
[22:22] <fta> d'oh! i can hear user screaming already: http://googlereader.blogspot.com/2010/05/spring-cleaning-comments-offline-and.html
[22:22] <fta> userS
[22:23] <fta> (/wrt gears)
[22:23]  * BUGa_Alice_in_WL reads
[22:23]  * micahg thinks we should have dropped gears for Lucid
[22:26] <fta> http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/05/outlook-lock-in-could-vanish-with-new-open-source-projects.ars
[22:30] <BUGa_Alice_in_WL> pff


[12:30] <NuxRo> hi, what's a proper way to disable the creation of a default user and user root instead for access and everything?
[14:03] <liqw> hello. got cloud-init 0.7.5-0ubuntu1.21 (trusty). is this http://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/modules.html#apt-configure up to date?
[14:09] <Odd_Bloke> liqw: There have been quite a few changes to the Python file that provides that, so I wouldn't _assume_ it to be.
[14:16] <liqw> Odd_Bloke: thanks.. so i'll dig into source of this python code
[15:36] <liqw> Odd_Bloke: sorry to ask you again.. you know if https://github.com/number5/cloud-init/commit/d861415ff9ab816b1183b8c58ec35348be4fd458 did make it into 0.7.5-0ubuntu1.21 ?
[15:40] <Odd_Bloke> liqw: I suspect not; that's quite a recent change.  Your best bet is to examine what's actually in the package, in case it's been backported.
[15:40] <Odd_Bloke> liqw: (And don't worry about asking again. :)
[15:41] <liqw> Odd_Bloke: thanks


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[01:10] <Guest68720> looking for the search option in software center under welcome
[06:31] <user_> cafeGREMLIN
[06:46] <alkisg> teaSMURF
[12:50] <mate|40621> I am trying to install vim but unable to do that as i receive following pop up
[12:51] <mate|40621> Package 'vim' has no installation candidate
[12:51] <alkisg> sudo apt install vim
[12:52] <alkisg> If that doesn't work, what's the output of `apt policy vim`
[12:53] <mate|40621> vim:
[12:53] <mate|40621>   Installed: (none)
[12:53] <mate|40621>   Candidate: (none)
[12:53] <mate|40621>   Version table:
[12:55] <mate|40621> Whenever i try to install a package it throws following msg
[12:55] <mate|40621> cs@cs-vb:~/Desktop$ sudo apt install tmux
[12:55] <mate|40621> Reading package lists... Done
[12:55] <mate|40621> Building dependency tree
[12:55] <mate|40621> Reading state information... Done
[12:55] <mate|40621> E: Unable to locate package tmux
[12:57] <mate|40621> https://thepasteb.in/p/58hgKE68y5lHv
[16:37] <arm1e> Hi, is there a way to enable numlock on boot? I have found this setting in other DE's but cant find it in MATE
[16:40] <alkisg> arm1e:  gsettings list-recursively  | grep numl
[16:40] <alkisg> See the values it returns, and google them for the user interface involved, I haven't checked them
[16:40] <arm1e> alkisg: of course! :p
[16:40] <alkisg> i.e. org.mate.peripherals-keyboard remember-numlock-state true
[16:41] <arm1e> that is set already, so should work after activating once I suppose.
[16:41] <alkisg> Right,it should remember the last state by default
[16:42] <alkisg> Or you can tell it not to, and always set it to on on boot
[16:42] <arm1e> Will try and then reboot. Thanks for your help :). Nice release by the way. Only issue I can find is some apps not installing in the software boutique, but they are 3rd party and ppa's may not be compiled for 18.04 yet (telegram and insync)
[16:44] <arm1e> HUD is tempermental too
[16:45]  * alkisg uninstalls all the new fancy things like boutique, hud, ubuntu-mate-welcome, snapd etc...
[18:22] <romaine> p
[21:29] <johnny> ciao qualke italiano ?
[21:30] <Guest78391> qualkuno italiano ?


[15:57] <schopin> what does "exit code 14" mean as a result? https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/f/fusioninventory-agent/noble/s390x
[16:17] <andersson123>        14   erroneous package and at least one test skipped
[16:19] <andersson123> I'll make an MP today to fix this display
[16:21] <Skia> schopin: exit codes for autopkgtest are documented at the end of the autopkgtest man page, if you find another strange one :-)


[08:58] <wonko[m]> Where's the best place going to be to get FFADO support? The mailing list I guess?
[09:07] <sakrecoer[bpist]> Brian Hechinger yes, i would say so. But you can try shoot your question here, i for one use ffado for all my sound production
[09:08] <wonko[m]> I'm just trying to figure out why it can't start the AudioFire4 at 16/3 or 32/3 running the stock 5.11-lowlatency but can running 5.12-liquorix. Other info is it used to be able to just fine on 20.04 with the stock low latency kernel. I was even able to run 16/2 just fine.
[09:14] <sakrecoer[bpist]> Brian Hechinger I take it you are doing this on ubuntustudio since you are here...? did the problem start when you installed 5.12-liquorix? I haven't ran into any such issue, but maybe try boot on Low latency after putting in a blacklist for the alsa firewire suff. That's been the magical solution for basically all my problems. let me find the doc for you...
[09:16] <sakrecoer[bpist]> https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/JACK_Audio_Connection_Kit#Firewire
[09:16] <sakrecoer[bpist]> don't forget to delete the blacklist if this isn't your solution Brian Hechinger
[09:16] <wonko[m]> The problems started when I built the new machine and put 21.04 on it. lower than 64/3 has never worked with the stock studio lowlatency kernel under 21.04.
[09:17] <wonko[m]> I can definitely try that though, sounds like a good idea.
[09:27] <sakrecoer[bpist]> try it, but if it works at 64/3 i doubt this is the issue Brian Hechinger
[09:27] <sakrecoer[bpist]> does 64/2 work?
[09:27] <sakrecoer[bpist]> or lower, but with 2?
[09:28] <wonko[m]> I've booted back into 5.11-lowlatency to try things
[09:29] <wonko[m]> oh, also I updated the firmware on this thing so that may affect things.
[09:29] <wonko[m]> but, so far 64/2 works
[09:30] <wonko[m]> ok 32/2 is a no go
[09:31] <sakrecoer[bpist]> i've never bothered bellow 256 lol, but let me try and see if i can. I have a fairly fresh install to compare with...
[09:31] <wonko[m]> https://gist.github.com/bhechinger/2778b8ca1b9f7030f2ea1278ed50a1da
[09:31] <wonko[m]> `ERROR: JackAudioDriver::ProcessAsync: read error, stopping...`
[09:31] <wonko[m]> that seems to be the thing I don't get with 64
[09:32] <sakrecoer[bpist]> Brian Hechinger: after upgrading the firmware, did you start ffado and reconfigure it?
[09:32] <wonko[m]> when I googled that I think it was a FFADO error
[09:32] <wonko[m]> start ffado and configure it?
[09:32] <wonko[m]> how so?
[09:33] <sakrecoer[bpist]> FFADO mixer in the desktop menu (given you are on ubuntustudio)
[09:33] <sakrecoer[bpist]> it might need a new ID...
[09:33] <wonko[m]> i started ffado mixer
[09:33] <wonko[m]> then i tried to start jack at 32/2
[09:34] <wonko[m]> and it hung ffado mixer which is no longer updating the window
[09:34] <sakrecoer[bpist]> How are you starting jack?
[09:34] <wonko[m]> Studio Controls
[09:35] <wonko[m]> After stopping jack ffado mixer shows this:
[09:35]  * wonko[m] uploaded an image: (60KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/4amlunch.net/52d48f2be9a052dc02a7b3a16510c2cdde54b1d4/image.png >
[09:36] <sakrecoer[bpist]> Ouch...
[09:36] <wonko[m]> and then after clicking retry it loaded the UI but then stopped responding
[09:36] <sakrecoer[bpist]> Do you have another cable or another port to try with?
[09:36] <wonko[m]> I do, yes
[09:37]  * sakrecoer[bpist] holding thumbs for Brian
[09:37] <wonko[m]> but the fact that it runs fine under liquorix tends to make me believe it's not hardware related
[09:37] <sakrecoer[bpist]> true...
[09:37] <sakrecoer[bpist]> but it could also be a glitchy cable that just happen to be in fine position the times it succeeded
[09:38] <wonko[m]> that's pretty unlikely considering nothing moves when I reboot and it's very consistent in behavior
[09:38] <wonko[m]> i'll switch ports just for fun though, not sure where the other cable is. :)
[09:43] <sakrecoer[bpist]> FFADO mixer is supposed to start even if jack is not running. So i get the sensation something is up with how the firewire stuff is installed with your lowlatency kernel
[09:44] <wonko[m]> it started and worked fine
[09:44] <wonko[m]> until I started jack at 32/2
[09:44] <wonko[m]> then it died
[09:46] <sakrecoer[bpist]> will FFADO start if jack is stopped?
[09:46] <wonko[m]> normally it'll run in either state, yes
[09:46] <wonko[m]> now things are all sorts of screwed up and jack won't start even at 64/2
[09:47] <wonko[m]> going to reboot back into liquorix and try all this again
[09:48] <sakrecoer[bpist]> well... it seems like my firewire isn't working either :/
[09:48] <sakrecoer[bpist]> First time i try it since i reinstalled...
[09:50] <sakrecoer[bpist]> But the FFADO mixer works
[09:50] <sakrecoer[bpist]> Just JACK refuses to start
[09:50] <wonko[m]> are you on 21.04?
[09:50] <sakrecoer[bpist]> yes
[09:51] <sakrecoer[bpist]> 5.11.0-25-lowlatency, i take it you too?
[09:51] <wonko[m]> when I'm not booted into liquorix, yes
[09:52] <sakrecoer[bpist]> let me see if the blackllist works for me though... i haven't added it and i think OvenWerks made it so that alsa gets black listed when one choses FFADO Firewire Modules in Studio Controls
[09:54] <wonko[m]> Hmm, I can no longer start at less than 64 even on liquorix. I get: `ERROR: firewire ERR: Could not start streaming threads`
[09:54] <wonko[m]> which is at least different. :)
[09:54] <sakrecoer[bpist]> oh wow... that broke my install
[09:55] <wonko[m]> oops. :-D
[09:56] <sakrecoer[bpist]> no it just made my DE very sad... but i've had problems with that since start
[09:57] <sakrecoer[bpist]> i seem to be back in now.. but i have to go eat now so I don't become a hangry monster 👹 brb
[09:58] <wonko[m]> Yeah, I don't know if the new firmware is helping or causing issues. I think I'm going to put 5.7.6 back on it
[10:00] <sakrecoer[bpist]> let me know if that made it
[10:00] <sakrecoer[bpist]> otherwise, try eating also. 😅 for me it has proven to be one of the most effective way to solve my computer issues
[10:02] <wonko[m]> heh, I need to go run errands so I'll eat while out doing that. :-D
[10:03] <wonko[m]> I don't expect the firmware change to make a difference though, the behavior is about the same as it was
[10:41] <sakrecoer[bpist]> still failng to get jack to start at all...
[10:43] <sakrecoer[bpist]> wasn't there a button to access logs in studio control previously?
[10:46] <wonko[m]> maybe? It's all in ~/.log though so easy enough to find. :)
[10:47] <wonko[m]> you probably want the stuff in ~/.log/jack though as that's the actual jack process logs
[11:23] <sakrecoer[bpist]> i don't know what i did, but it seems the typical insanity technique worked: doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different result AND getting different result...
[11:24] <sakrecoer[bpist]> now let's see how low i can get on the buffer size. Currently 256
[11:24] <sakrecoer[bpist]> 16/2 working. I haven't started any applications though...
[11:32] <sakrecoer[bpist]> 99.9% DSP lol... quite noisey too for some reason...
[11:33] <sakrecoer[bpist]> well probably because 99.9 😅 at 128 it's all good
[11:39] <wonko[m]> I guess I'm just going to be ok with 64/2. :-D
[11:39] <wonko[m]> I should find another drive to install 20.04 on and see if I can still run 16/2 on there
[11:40] <wonko[m]> I don't see how it would matter, but other than the FW card and AudioFire4 the rest of this machine is completely different.
[11:43] <wonko[m]> ok, this is silly
[11:43] <wonko[m]> I powered the machine completely off
[11:43] <wonko[m]> booted it back up
[11:43] <wonko[m]> and now I can run 32/3 under liquorix again
[11:47] <wonko[m]> 32/2 doesn't work
[11:49] <wonko[m]> 16/3 does, 16/2 doesn't
[11:55] <wonko[m]> 40% DSP to run 16/3 though
[11:55] <wonko[m]> and xruns are definitely going to be an issue
[11:55] <wonko[m]> 64/3 it is. :-D
[12:03] <wonko[m]> At least until I can get threadirqs sorted on liquorix


[22:15] <FoxIII> ahmos & tim_ I get that every now and then. It depends on the programs you had open when you rebooted/shutdown.
[22:15] <ahmos> aha
[22:15] <Myrtti> "hi, I'm Myrtti, your babysitter for the next three quarterhours"
[22:15] <patrick> aye, once I exit dolphin I loose root correct?
[22:15] <ahmos> ok i have another one
[22:15] <FoxIII> patrick, yup :)
[22:16] <ahmos> :)
[22:16] <FoxIII> ahmos, Go for it :)
[22:16] <patrick> great thanks
[22:16] <FoxIII> Hey Myrtti!
[22:16] <Myrtti> don't eat that playdoh there!
[22:16] <FoxIII> patrick, sudo should only be used in extreme cases! Don't live there!
[22:16] <FoxIII> Myrtti, You know about wireless networks?
[22:17] <Myrtti> next to nothing
[22:17]  * FoxIII puts down the playdoh
[22:17] <tim_> everyone loves wireless networks
[22:17] <patrick> since I basically don't understand it should be to hard to ignore it for now :)
[22:17] <FoxIII> tim_, I don't. Mine's giving me nightmares! I'm in *coughXPcough*
[22:17] <ahmos> i have 2 sound devices marked as gray color and telling me that they r not available
[22:18] <ahmos> hda intel (alc883 analog)
[22:18] <FoxIII> patrick, it's not understanding root priviledges that cause people problems! lol
[22:18] <tim_> Foxill: I dont have one to read the configs out fof right here, so my advice might be wrong, but if you say the problem, I'll give it a go
[22:18] <ahmos> kubuntu
[22:19] <tester_> hi fellas, I'm trying to figure out where apache got installed on my system, and it looks to me like its /usr/share/apache2.  but the instructions say /usr/local/apache2.  can anyone tell me how i can see which is correct?
[22:19] <FoxIII> tim_, thanks :) Well, I have managed to set it up with ndiswrapper with the correct dirver, etc. I can see the network there, but whenever I try and connect it just hangs and then freezes everything.
[22:19] <tester_> I installed apache 2.2-common
[22:20] <Ange|us> guys
[22:20] <tim_> FoxIII: oh dear, sometimes the network drivers are a bit weak and have known issues like this. what network card are you using?
[22:20] <Ange|us> somebody explains me what is kubuntu 8.04.1 ?
[22:20] <coon> hi
[22:20] <Myrtti> Ange|us: it's the "ServicePack 1" version of Ubuntu Hardy Heron
[22:21] <FoxIII> tim_, I'm using a netgear wg311 as it said on ubuntu hardware list it worked 'out of box' so I thought the setup wouldn't be too bad.
[22:21] <FoxIII> patrick, Have a look here for some eays info on root: http://linux.about.com/od/kubuntu_doc/a/kubudg12t01.htm
[22:21] <tim_> "out of the box" may well mean there is a native (not ndis) driver
[22:21] <ahmos> foxlll did u miss my second problem
[22:22] <FoxIII> ahmos, yes I did. sorry.
[22:22] <patrick> thanks will do fox
[22:22] <ahmos> should i paste it again
[22:22] <FoxIII> tim_, well, there is a linux thing on the website, but I tried using it and ended up in a right mess with errors appearing left, right and centre!
[22:22] <Ange|us> Myrtti: this thing is new right? i never saw it happen with other kubuntu versions
[22:22] <Ange|us> :/
[22:22] <FoxIII> ahmos, yeah, okay :)
[22:23] <tester_> Can anyone tell me how to tell where apache2.2-common is installed on Ubuntu?  is it /usr/share/apache2?
[22:23] <Myrtti> Ange|us: well, Dapper Drake had it since it was LTS like Hardy Heron is
[22:23] <Myrtti> LTS's usually get .1 too
[22:23] <ahmos> i have 2 sound devices marked as gray color and telling me that they r not available
[22:23] <ahmos>  hda intel (alc883 analog)
[22:24] <FoxIII> ahmos, hmm. I'm not good with sound devices at all! Let me see what I can find out though.
[22:24] <ahmos> ok :)
[22:24] <tester_> Would someone tell me how to tell where apache2.2-common is installed on Ubuntu?  is it /usr/share/apache2?
[22:25] <coon> can anyone help me out getting my mic to work i got sound to work but not my mic i have a creative soundblaster audigy se
[22:25] <FoxIII> tester_, heard you the first time. I would say it sounds correct.
[22:25] <tim_> FoxIII: I read a bit, looks like ndis is the way. just to check, "ndiswrapper -l" says its installed, and then you did "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper"
[22:26] <coon> im a noob lol
[22:26] <Ange|us> Myrtti: but i heard hardy is not LTS ? :/
[22:26] <coon> to linux anyway lol
[22:26] <Myrtti> Ange|us: it is?
[22:26] <tester_> Foxlll, I also saw a /usr/lib/apache2 folder.  i'm guessing thats not considered the installed folder though
[22:27] <Myrtti> tester_: "which apache2#
[22:27] <tester_> Myrtti: apache2.2-common
[22:27] <FoxIII> tim_, yep. It said installed fine. Did the sudo modprobe ndiswrapper. It can see the wireless network and I can see it's a good signal, but I need to enter a password, but when I do, it either doesn't connect and asks me to check my settings or freezes my sys.
[22:27] <Myrtti> tester_: type "which apache2" in terminal
[22:28] <tester_> Myrtti: /usr/sbin/apache2
[22:28] <Myrtti> tester_: the result is the path to the executable
[22:28] <coon> can anyone see me on here?
[22:28] <tim_> ok, well to simplify, if possible try turning off the encryption for a bit, just till we know the card is working
[22:28] <tester_> Myrtti, i'm trying to do a ./configure with a --profile, and I'm not sure the correct path.  so I'm trying to figure out what to tell it
[22:28] <FoxIII> coon, yes. Someone will help you in a bit :)
[22:29] <coon> ight thx
[22:29] <tester_> Myrtti, er, with a --prefix
[22:29] <FoxIII> ahmos, in CLI type: sudo cat /proc/asound/pcm and pastebin the results.
[22:29] <tester_> Myrtti, such as ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/apache2
[22:29] <Myrtti> tester_: mmm, why are you trying to compile apache2 on your own?
[22:29] <FoxIII> tim_, I have no access to changing the encryption for the network as it's shared.
[22:29] <tim_> is it wep or wpa?
[22:30] <tester_> Myrtti, because aprutil does not have all the modules installed by default that I need in it
[22:30] <ikonia> tester_: which modules are missing
[22:30] <tester_> ikonia: apr_dbd_mysql.so
[22:30] <ikonia> tester_: that should be there I believe
[22:30] <tester_> ikonia, it is not : (
[22:30] <FoxIII> tim_, it's wpa (I also have wpa_supplicant installeD)
[22:31] <Myrtti> myrtti@kani:~$ apt-file search apr_dbd_mysql.so
[22:31] <Myrtti> myrtti@kani:~$
[22:31] <tester_> ikonia, i'm following the instructions at http://www.uluga.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=757353&highlight=apr_dbd_mysql.so to fix the problem
[22:31] <tim_> Foxlll: I'v sometimes found that kde networking fights the command line networking tools
[22:31] <ikonia> tester_: that thread is the wrong way to go about this
[22:31] <tim_> FoxIII: without a pc with wireless I'm afraid I cant be much help
[22:32] <ikonia> tester_: having 2 installs on your system in different locations is not wise
[22:32] <tester_> ikonia, *phew* whats the right way?
[22:32] <ahmos> foxlll: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25799/
[22:32] <FoxIII> tim_, really? hmm. I don't know about using the command line wireless tools. I'm learning the networking bit as I go along. lol
[22:33] <ikonia> tester_: well as each apache apr setup is in a seperate package it should be a reasonably straight forward process to either a.) make a bug request to have it updated/included b.) download the deb source yourself, update the one line --with-apr-util and submit it for a rebuild, in which case your package manager is %100 correct then
[22:33] <ahmos> Foxlll: did u see the link? http://paste.ubuntu.com/25799/
[22:33] <FoxIII> ahmos, yes. Just seeing if it will help me. lol
[22:34] <tester_> ikonia, I'm going to need to follow option b it sounds like.  However, I didnt' quite follow your instructions there.  you said update the one line.  What did you mean by that?
[22:34] <ikonia> tester_: in the ubuntu source packages there are build options, which are in essense configure option, so you need to add that line to the build / configure options, then rebuild the package
[22:35] <tester_> ikonia, where am I able to download that source at?
[22:35] <ikonia> tester_: if you join #motu you may find the apache package maintainer team members and they may help you/do it for you/etc
[22:35] <ikonia> tester_: ubuntu-motu sorry
[22:35] <ikonia> tester_: but they will require a bug/update request
[22:35] <tester_> ikonia, thank you.  i'll see if i can find it
[22:36] <FoxIII> ahmos, Have a look here and see if any of this is useful to you: http://uk.blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-kLgobDE_cqVv1JH8Yrs5u0AOygiyr1iiv0erhcaU_BKG?p=5
[22:36] <ahmos> ok and thank's alot
[22:36] <ahmos> ;)
[22:36] <ikonia> tester_: your approach will pretty much break your package managers ability to control/update/manage any of your web based applications, that approach is prety flawed
[22:37] <FoxIII> ahmos, It may not help much, but it's the best I can come up with.
[22:37] <tester_> ikonia, forgive me, your saying that if I do the option b (which you just listed), that I'll be causing myself problems?
[22:37] <ikonia> no
[22:37] <FoxIII> coon, you still here?
[22:37] <ikonia> I'm saying if you follow that forum post you'll cause yourself a lot of problems
[22:38] <tester_> ikonia, ah the two different apache installs heh, yeah i didn't realzie that would do that, thank you for telling me
[22:38] <coon> yeah
[22:38] <ikonia> tester_: that forum post is a badly written post, and quite ill advised
[22:39] <tester_> ikonia, lol.  thanks for straightening me out.
[22:39] <FoxIII> coon, kewl :) Thanks for the patience. You are using a sound blaster, yes?
[22:40] <ikonia> tester_: not a problem, a word for the future don't look to fix things "now" look to fix things properly
[22:40] <coon> yeah audigy se
[22:40] <ikonia> tester_: I promise you it will save you time and effort in the medium/long term
[22:40] <tester_> ikonia, It wasn't a matter of fixing it now vs properly to me, I'd been searching for hours trying to find the right solution
[22:40] <coon> im using alsa
[22:43] <FoxIII> coon, There does seem to be a problem with the audigy se and the microphone, but there is a howto here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=749847
[22:43] <coon> cool ill be right back going to check it out
[22:44] <FoxIII> coon, hope it helps :)
[22:48] <Dr_willis> !find hfs
[22:54] <coon> ill brb have to log out for a sec and log back in
[22:56] <KNam> Hi, I'm new to Kubuntu (and KDE in general), and I was wondering if I could get some help?
[22:57] <Myrtti> ask and you shall receive
[22:57] <KNam> Thanks. First, how can I connect to wireless Internet?
[22:57] <KNam> I installed Kubuntu on my laptop, and it can't detect any wireless networks.
[22:59] <Dr_willis> got the wireless card working first? is the top question.
[22:59] <Dr_willis> !wireless
[22:59] <KNam> ?
[22:59] <Pici> !lag
[23:01] <KNam> Wireless works on my Windows partition and worked on Ubuntu, but doesn't work on Kubuntu for some reason.
[23:02] <Dr_willis> well that it worked on Ubuntu is a VERY VERY good sign.
[23:02] <Dr_willis> Ya just got to figure out the wireless network tool interface...  (and i dont use wireless much, so cant help much)
[23:03] <KNam> Alright.
[23:15] <tester_> ikonia, ar eyou still here?
[23:15] <beatriz_> hola
[23:15] <ikonia> tester_: just about
[23:16] <beatriz_> una pajina en español
[23:16] <Pici> !es | beatriz_
[23:16] <tester_> ikonia, the folks in ubuntu-motu aren't responding.  I downloaded the aprutil1 source package, and I found the file your refering to, but I'm not sure what changes to make, would you mind helping me?
[23:17] <ikonia> tester_: oooh, errr I guess I can take a look, I'm not far from bed though
[23:17] <tester_> tester, wow its like 4 pm here, what time is it there?
[23:18] <tester_> ikonia, lol, i wrote tester... i meant you heh
[23:18] <tester_> You said to edit the --with-apr-util line.  I was unable to find one of those.  but i did find a --with-apr line.
[23:19] <tester_> ikonia, and I'm not quite sure what i'm supposed to do to edit it.
[23:19] <tester_> ikonia, ie what I'm supposed to add to the line
[23:19] <ikonia> tester_: I've not got a source deb at hand to view the files, but can you find the line that does the configure ?
[23:19] <tester_> ikonia, yes i can
[23:20] <tester_> ikonia, its two lines.  similiar to wha tyou said
[23:20] <ikonia> tester_: ahh good, (again memory isn't great) add the configure line you need
[23:21] <ikonia> tester_: ahhh I knew I had info somewhere
[23:21] <ikonia> tester_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete
[23:21] <tester_> http://pastebin.com/m7e6f8551
[23:22] <tester_> ikonia, awesome i'm gonna look at it.  i just posted the lines in that pastebin
[23:22] <ikonia> tester_: ahh
[23:22] <ikonia> tester_: that link should guide you through it, I've used it as a refresher many times
[23:22] <ikonia> it's good
[23:22] <tester_> ikonia, i cna't thank you enough.  i was getting frustrated with ubuntu on this one.
[23:23] <tester_> ikonia, first i tried mod-auth-mysql, then i was told it was obsolete, so I tried authn_dbd... and then these problems, i've been at it for days
[23:24] <ikonia> tester_: keep with it
[23:24] <ikonia> tester_: first time you do things is always a pain/hard
[23:24] <tester_> ikonia, i hear yah.  our system admin is gone for good, and its fallen to me, a really junior programmer to figure out upgrading the server from apache 1.13 to 2.2+
[23:25] <ikonia> tester_: thats not fun, I assure you. I can give you some notes on that if you want, I've done it a few times, just finished one with custom apache modules
[23:26] <tester_> ikonia, I'm trying hard to just get it working in a dev status for testing everything, but trying to get the password protected stuff to work now that mod-auth-mysql is now no longer handled is killing me
[23:26] <tester_> ikonia, its prompting for a username now though, so that was a huge improvement heh
[23:26] <ikonia> tester_: follow the guide, get help from motu, there are some motu guys in here too, and you'll be fine
[23:27] <tester_> ikonia, thank you.
[23:31] <mkargar>  I reinstall nvidia driver,but,since of restart system,kdm logen manager not runned and it return to commond line and showing this error:http://paste.ubuntu.com/25804/
[23:32] <ImLiz> hello all, I'm having what I think is a major problem w/kubuntu on my desktop... when it started loading, the black screen showed up with "/var/log/message has multiple claimed blocks"
[23:33] <ImLiz> told me to run "fsck" in maintanance mode, which I think I did and at the end of it all this msg showed up "Segmentation violation at Oxb7f51060 Sleeping for 30 seconds"
[23:34] <Myrtti> nini everyone
[23:34] <ImLiz> do I have to reinstall kubuntu???? or is there a way to fix this????
[23:37] <Dr_willis> I would boot a live cd and fsck the drive/partitions first ImLiz
[23:37] <Dr_willis> and take some  sedatives.. :)
[23:37] <zabbadapp> what is the best vnc client? something must be better than krdc (kubuntu 8.04 kde3)? it crashes about once every 10 times i reconnect and it dies efter suspend or if the server is rebooted ... it should reconnect imho .. or atleast remember the last connection-ip so I don't have to hunt for it in the drop down every time
[23:38] <Dr_willis> it is sounding like some sort of possible memory issue.  Not sure what else segmentation violation would mean.
[23:38] <ImLiz> Dr_willis: How would I run fsck on the drive/partitions???
[23:38] <Dr_willis> zabbadapp,  i tend to just use the 'vnc4server' and client.
[23:38] <Dr_willis> !fsck
[23:38] <Dr_willis> ImLiz,  boot live cd. get to a root shell, fsck /dev/DEVICENAME
[23:39] <Dr_willis> i would also google for that last error message ya got to see what else may be wrong.
[23:40] <ImLiz> thx Dr_willis, sounds like it's going to be a long search lol
[23:40] <zabbadapp> Dr_willis: can it reconnect after suspend to ram?
[23:42] <claus> hallo, bin zum ersten mal im irc, kann mir wer mal kurz antworten....vielen dank!
[23:45] <Dr_willis> zabbadapp,  i doubt if any vnc clients can do that. of course ya can just rerun the client and reconnect.
[23:53] <_ricardo> please how to upgrade from 6.06 to 8.04.1 i receive many errors
[23:54] <ikonia> _ricardo: what sort of errors ?
[23:54] <vipex> anyone got counter strike 1.6? cos i want know what requirement's it needs?
[23:54] <ikonia> vipex: what sort of requirments ?
[23:55] <vipex> ikonia : all what cs needs
[23:55] <ikonia> all what ?
[23:55] <vipex> umm wait
[23:56] <vipex> 	graphics card?
[23:56] <ikonia> visit the CS website and find the minimum and recommended specs
[23:56] <_ricardo>  apache2: Depends: apache2-mpm-worker (>= 2.2.3-3.2build1) but it is not installed or
[23:56] <_ricardo>                     apache2-mpm-prefork (>= 2.2.3-3.2build1) but 2.0.55-4ubuntu2.3 is installed or
[23:56] <ikonia> you'll need that + ubuntu hardware requirments
[23:56] <_ricardo>  apache2: Depends: apache2-mpm-worker (>= 2.2.3-3.2build1) but it is not installed or
[23:56] <_ricardo>                     apache2-mpm-prefork (>= 2.2.3-3.2build1) but 2.0.55-4ubuntu2.3 is installed or
[23:57] <vipex> thx
[23:57] <vipex> sorry my bad english
[23:57] <ikonia> vipex: don't worry
[23:57] <ikonia> _ricardo: how are you upgrading
[23:59] <_ricardo> apt-get update (i had include the
[23:59] <_ricardo> eb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu hardy main
[23:59] <_ricardo> line to sources.lst
[23:59] <ikonia> _ricardo: use update-manager (I assume thats available on kde)
[23:59] <_ricardo> the apt-get dist-upgrade


[00:23] <wrst> cyberanger: sounds good, even with consumer level on the hub and AP i think something doing only one thing will perform better
[00:23] <wrst> but use thinking of going a little higher than consumer level
[00:24] <wrst> s/use/yes
[01:12] <wrst> wb chris4585
[01:15] <chris4585> hey wrst
[01:15] <chris4585> just installed my new cpu, and cleaned my computer
[01:16] <chris4585> how are you?
[01:34] <wrst> im good. what type of cpu chris4585?
[01:34] <chris4585> wrst, http://chris4585.tumblr.com/post/38346722764/i-bought-a-upgrade-for-my-computer-amd-phenom-ii
[01:39] <chris4585> thats good wrst
[01:40] <chris4585> I've come to a realization if I wake up before 3pm I become really bored and take a nap anyway lol
[01:41] <wrst> ha
[01:43] <wrst> nice processor chris4585
[01:44] <chris4585> yeah, decent upgrade
[01:44] <chris4585> was only $87 with shipping from tigerdirect
[01:44] <wrst> not.bad at all
[01:45] <chris4585> I figured I might aswell go ahead and get one before they are all sold out
[14:32] <pace_t_zulu> what's up jfenn2199
[14:32] <jfenn2199> oh not much did my comment give what you were asking for?
[14:33] <pace_t_zulu> yea ... was just curious
[14:34] <jfenn2199> no problem I've been up and running since 2:30pm wed, after going to bed 4:30am from being up since sometime monday...
[14:35] <jfenn2199> finally got inspiration to work on it again if you want to browse the code (very sloppy right now) it on launchpad lp:libraryopen
[14:52] <pace_t_zulu> cool ... installing bazaar on mac os x now
[14:52] <pace_t_zulu> i use git
[14:52] <pace_t_zulu> git is fucking awesome
[14:53] <pace_t_zulu> jfenn2199: did you create any models?
[14:56] <jfenn2199> if so unintentionally this started as teaching myself gui programming with tkinter and the core ui shows it (nothing in classes just one long cacophony of lines) gonna fix that after I get everything working right
[14:56] <jfenn2199> but most functions are in modules
[14:57] <jfenn2199> oh and Add User button is broke right now trying to the dbconnector function to have it's db connection and cursor as attributes so I can cutout connecting on each individual function
[15:09] <pace_t_zulu> you should create Book and Library classes
[15:10] <pace_t_zulu> that handle everything associated w being a book and everything associated w being a class
[15:12] <jfenn2199> ok
[15:13] <jfenn2199> and same for user?
[16:13] <pace_t_zulu> yes
[16:14] <pace_t_zulu> anything that would be a kind of object in real life  ... should be a class in you code - those are your models
[16:14] <pace_t_zulu> look up "mvc programming" ... it is a good concept to understand once you understand object oriented programming
[16:30] <jfenn2199> awesome pace_t_zulu  thanks the tip
[16:35] <pace_t_zulu> np
[16:35] <pace_t_zulu> programming will get you far
[17:16] <jfenn2199> yeah I'm upset with myself for not progressing past the basics initially, cause now I'm gonna have a ton of rewriting but live and learn


[01:09] <cyphermox> smoser: blackboxsw: rharper: I would have guessed that your network device is not virtio, but that shouldn't be a big deal /now/ since E1000 is also enabled in this case, and that looks like it's been detected.
[01:28] <smoser> cyphermox: well i had actually attached *no* network devices. which clearly should mean "all networking that will be configured is configured".
[01:32] <cyphermox> smoser: I saw your command-line, but I don't think it behaved quite as expected
[01:33] <cyphermox> or I don't understand what the kernel does, because it tries to rename an ens3 or eth0 that isn't there.
[01:37] <smoser> what command line?
[01:37] <smoser> there is no network device.
[01:38] <smoser> i blieve there is no built-in network configuration in images any more.
[01:39] <smoser> yeah, the cloud-images have nothing in /etc/netplan/
[01:46] <cyphermox> err, that's not "no network device"
[01:47] <cyphermox> and in your paste: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25832717/
[01:47] <cyphermox> [    1.848991] e1000 0000:00:03.0 eth0: (PCI:33MHz:32-bit) 52:54:00:12:34:56
[01:47] <cyphermox> [    1.849784] e1000 0000:00:03.0 eth0: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection
[01:47] <cyphermox> [    1.851505] e1000 0000:00:03.0 ens3: renamed from eth0
[01:47] <cyphermox> despite your line 1 being "xkvm --netdev= ..."
[01:48] <cyphermox> unless you mean something else
[01:48] <smoser> yea, so the --netdev= did the right thing and did not add a device itself, but qemu must add one if you dont have a network device
[01:49] <smoser> and don't add '-nodefaults'
[01:49] <cyphermox> on cloud images it is fair to expect that cloud-init will write your netplan config, I think
[01:49] <smoser> either way, there was no configuration in /ec/ so no blocking and waiting for magical configuration to appear should have been done.
[01:49] <cyphermox> sure
[01:49] <smoser> cyphermox: yeah, your thought process is sane, except it explicitly did *not* write config.
[01:49] <smoser> and when it does, it writes it pre-networking
[01:49] <cyphermox> that's right, you disabled cloud-init
[01:50] <smoser> so no blockign and waiting makes any sense.
[01:50] <cyphermox> blocking and waiting is correct there; that is what you *should* do if there is config, to ensure that the device has had time to come up before you try to send packets over it
[01:51] <smoser> well yeah.
[01:51] <smoser> but there is no config.
[01:51] <smoser> so blockin and waiting for config to appear is kind of pointless.
[01:51] <smoser> or for network devices to appear.
[01:51] <cyphermox> I agree there is a bug in wait-online though, which should not have waiting in your case with cloud-init disabled, because all the devices are unmanaged (since there is no config)
[01:51] <cyphermox> that's a bug in wait-online
[01:51] <cyphermox> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1728181
[01:51] <smoser> right.
[01:52] <cyphermox> but I don't think booting a cloud image with no metadata provider is something supported
[01:53] <cyphermox> smoser: so, what were you trying to achieve?
[01:54] <smoser> cyphermox: well its actually something we've spent way to much time on
[01:54] <smoser> but that is explicitly required.
[01:55] <smoser> cloud-init should disable itself entirely when not in a cloud
[01:55] <smoser> and it does.
[01:55] <cyphermox> right
[01:55] <cyphermox> and that's working as expected
[01:55] <smoser> but then if you have a network device you wait for 120 seconds for no reason.
[01:55] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25833672/
[01:55] <smoser> thanks for pointing out that it got a nic
[01:55] <smoser> the above paste there is the same thing but with no nics at all
[01:55] <smoser> at least then, systmed-networkd-wait-online does the right thing.
[01:55] <cyphermox> ok
[01:57] <cyphermox> well, the real question is: "Is a cloud image booted with no datasource something we should support", and I was told "no", if I understood correctly
[01:57] <cyphermox> so yes, there's a bug in wait-online, and it's one we need to fix anyway, but it seems like you got a different answer than I did to the question above.
[02:00] <smoser> well, i've had actual users ask to build an image that would boot in the cloud, but when booted with no cloud would let them log in.
[02:00] <smoser> they'd put a local user in it with a known password
[02:00] <smoser> then they'd have their image on cloud and local to debug and  can login
[02:01] <smoser> (or even no password but a shared ssh key)
[02:01] <smoser> which makes sense.
[02:01] <cyphermox> yeah, but then they'd have cloud-init running to create the user, no?
[02:02] <cyphermox> the ssh key case we need to ignore since it requires network, in which case you do need to wait-online.
[02:02] <cyphermox> the other one we'll fix once wait-online is fixed (bug above), and I expect we'd SRU that fix
[02:02] <smoser> well, this would be someone created the imag themselfvs.
[02:03] <smoser> i just did this locally
[02:04] <cyphermox> well, it doesn't really matter at this level, that's "just" the wait-online bug
[02:04] <cyphermox> maybe metoo it?
[02:04] <smoser> $ qemu-img create -f qcow2 -b artful-cloud-image.img my.img
[02:04] <smoser> $ sudo ~/bin/backdoor-image my.img -v --user=user1 --password=passw0rd1
[02:04] <smoser> # backdoor image is http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~smoser/+junk/backdoor-image/view/head:/backdoor-image
[02:04] <cyphermox> smoser: don't worry about the process, I frankensteined my own image earlier to put in a root password


[10:16] <d_l_p> Why is faddledooper getting redirected to #ubuntu-ops?
[16:22] <hggdh> faddledooper is a bot, managed by d_l_p, see #freenode @ 10:08:27. Added comment on 79597
[16:23] <hggdh> sdhd-sascha: anything we can do for you? otherwise please /part, this is a no-idling channel


[00:03] <tgm4883> Congrats!
[00:03]  * tgm4883 isn't sure what we are partying about
[00:09] <bkerensa> Ok guys I'm out I have to gather some sleep.... I have been running on empty and am moving this weekend ttyl
[00:56] <c_smith> bkerensa, when was the Hangout with the Community Manager? I won't be able to do this today, but tomorrow would be perfect.
[03:54] <bkerensa> Test Test Test
[04:48] <c_smith> bkerensa, are you around?
[06:18] <bkerensa> Test Travis
[06:19] <bkerensa> c_smith: Kind of
[06:19] <bkerensa> whats up?
[06:19] <TRAVISg> nope
[06:19] <TRAVISg> bkerensa nope
[06:20] <bkerensa> are you sure
[06:20] <bkerensa> your not having any scrollback?
[06:20] <bkerensa> hmm
[06:20] <bkerensa> let me try one last thing
[06:21] <TRAVISg> I can scroll back but only to the time I was logged on
[06:21] <bkerensa> TRAVISg: go ahead and disconnect now
[06:22] <TRAVISg> All raight
[06:22] <bkerensa> TESTING 123
[06:22] <bkerensa> 123
[06:22] <bkerensa> 321
[06:22] <bkerensa> ....
[06:22] <TRAVISg> works like a charm
[06:23] <bkerensa> k
[06:23] <TRAVISg> thank you so much that's great
[06:24] <TRAVISg> You are a wizard or ninja of sorts pick your preferred mythical hero
[06:25] <TRAVISg> bkerensa didn't you once say that you had a copy of the official Ubuntu book I could possible borrow?
[06:26] <TRAVISg> any body here?
[06:28] <bkerensa> umm
[06:28] <bkerensa> I think we have one in the Library if not I can get one
[06:28] <bkerensa> I could likely get many
[06:28] <bkerensa> :P)
[06:29] <bkerensa> but technically there should be a copy in our ever growing library
[07:01] <TRAVISg> I would love to get it for a bit
[07:01] <TRAVISg> I just put two and two together
[07:02] <TRAVISg> bkerensa how are you getting spotify to post to facebook? I am running it through wine and have to disable it's social features
[07:03] <TRAVISg> bkerensa wait you are using premium?
[07:04] <TRAVISg> gotta run but thanks to you I can read anything you post whenI log back in thanks again
[19:23] <TRAVISg> hello all
[23:27] <c_smith> heyo
[23:50] <blkperl> slangasek: ping
[23:56] <bkerensa> hi nibalizer


[00:52] <mparillo> I think if you have a quad channel board, you can see some performance boost with four sticks.
[00:53] <mparillo> Long discussion: https://www.cgdirector.com/2-vs-4-ram-modules/#:~:text=For the majority of users,sticking with 2 RAM sticks.
[00:54] <mparillo> hmm, strange url
[01:41] <^Gecko^>  cool
[01:41] <^Gecko^> thx
[02:31] <keithzg> mmikowski: Uhh hmm I hadn't double-checked what kernel I *had* been using, only went and selected one of the 5.15 kernels assuming that was the one from 22.04, but I then ran into glitches again (no networking, display screwups, not quite as I had seen before since my upgrade to 22.10 but similar? 2D elements rendered black or flickery) and so I double-checked finally and it looks like on 22.10 linux-generic and linux-generic-hwe-22.04
[02:31] <keithzg> actually both just provide <IP_ADDRESS>.22? At least that's what apt is now telling me.
[02:31] <keithzg> Booted into 5.19 now and curious to see if problems occur again.
 4 sticks (re @IrcsomeBot: <^Gecko^> what would you guys say works better for 64GB of ram; two sticks of 32gb, or four sticks of 16gb?)
[07:34] <user|44> Greetings, I hope this is the appropriate forum to share this :) I have recently istalled Kubuntu on my Surface Pro 7+, but I’ve been having issues with my external monitor -  I have posted my question on reddit and ask ubuntu for the past several days without any luck (link to Reddit post below), can anyone please help me get this resolved, or
[07:34] <user|44> even just point me to right direction?
[07:34] <user|44> Reddit post: https://www.reddit.com/r/Kubuntu/comments/ywxuj4/external_monitor_issue/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
[08:05] <user|44> Is this an active group?
[08:06] <kirvesAxe> The level of activity varies with the time of day, day of the week etc.
[08:06] <kirvesAxe> But I would say this is active
[08:25] <user|44> I guess that makes sense. Thanks
 /wes
 wes
[11:49] <shams> hello
[11:49] <shams> I need help with my autostart apps
[11:50] <shams> my discord app is working on the startup however emacs-daemon and the mullvad App they aren't started
[11:50] <shams> this is really weird
 /code [Desktop Entry]
 Categories=Network;
 Comment=Mullvad VPN client
 Exec="/opt/Mullvad VPN/mullvad-vpn" %U
 Icon=mullvad-vpn
 Name=Mullvad VPN
 and the emacs daemon on I've wrote myself:[Desktop Entry]
 Comment[en_US]=start the emacs server
 Comment=start the emacs server
 Exec=/usr/bin/emacs --daemon
 GenericName[en_US]=
 GenericName=
 can anyone please tell me why this isn't working?
[12:19] <oerheks> sadi007 your multiple lines were blocked, use a pastebin like paste.ubuntu.com
[13:14] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[15:08] <mybalzitch> weird. network-manager? is claiming I need to log into my wired network
[20:02] <user|74> Is it possible to directly upgrade to 22.04 from 18.04 without too many headaches?
[20:21] <mparillo> Assuming you don't have any PPAs, it should be smooth. You do back up your user data, right? For me, backing up configurations is not that big a deal.
[23:19] <cart> Soo apparently one can not set the shortcut key to Application Launcher -> Windows button? What is up with that?
[23:25] <Dragnslcr> You mean opening the Application Menu when you press the Windows key?
[23:28] <Dragnslcr> If you set the shortcut to Alt-F1, the Meta/Windows key by itself will do it


[12:20] <g333k_work> Hi, does the sending messages feature of student-control-panel work in xubuntu?
[12:21] <ogra> if you use xubuntu desktop from ldm, yes :)
[12:21] <ogra> hi btw
[12:21] <ogra> *g*
[12:25] <cbx33> ogra, Hi
[12:25] <cbx33> BETT was awesome
[12:25] <cbx33> I'll CC in on my BETT debrief
[12:25] <cbx33> you
[12:25] <cbx33> when it's finished
[12:26] <ogra> cbx33, hey
[12:26] <cbx33> it's been a while
[12:26] <cbx33> sorry I've been real busy with this BETT thing
[12:26] <cbx33> did you see our leaflets?
[12:26] <cbx33> I must have handed out over 400 cds of edubuntu in 3 days
[12:27] <ogra> seems s-c-p is missing a dependency on zenity ... i didnt know your popup is zenity :)
[12:27] <cbx33> oh...
[12:27] <ogra> no, i didnt see the leaflets yet
[12:27] <cbx33> hmmm...
[12:27] <ogra> but i'll see them end of feb. i guess if i'm in italy
[12:27] <cbx33> my apologies, I remember discussing zenity with you
[12:28] <cbx33> italy?
[12:28] <cbx33> willvdl was a star ;)
[12:28] <ogra> well, g333k_work just has a prob with popup messages ... he's using xubuntu ...
[12:28] <cbx33> he got those leaflets printed in time.....man was it a rush job
[12:28] <cbx33> oh
[12:28] <ogra> yeah, italy ... netx edulinux meeting
[12:28] <cbx33> ahh i see
[12:29] <cbx33> ogra, I have a doc to send you
[12:29] <ogra> doit ;)
[12:29] <cbx33> it's a bout the SCP split BE/FE system
[12:29] <ogra> i read your blog :)
[12:29] <cbx33> ahh
[12:29] <cbx33> see I don;t think about that
[12:29] <cbx33> will get it off to you now
[12:29] <ogra> heh
[12:30] <ogra> thanks
[12:30] <cbx33> in the middle of this BETT Debrief
[12:30] <ogra> but i wont read it tonight anymore ... time for bed now ...
[12:30] <cbx33> of course
[12:30] <cbx33> I wasn't expecting you
[12:30] <cbx33> to
[12:30] <g333k_work> cbx33, Hi, can you help me to use the sending messages feature of s-c-p in xfce?
[12:31] <cbx33> then we can start moving SCP, TCM forward
[12:31] <ogra> (my dog is very very ill ... i didnt get much sleep the last week)
[12:31] <cbx33> oh dear
[12:31] <cbx33> I'll keep them in my prayers
[12:31] <ogra> yeah, looks very bad ...
[12:31] <g333k_work> ogra, It worked!!! I after installing zenity
[12:31] <cbx33> ogra, is it just zenity that needs to be installed do you know?
[12:31] <g333k_work> ogra, do I keep those lines commented?
[12:31] <cbx33> ahh
[12:31] <cbx33> excellent
[12:31] <ogra> g333k_work, uncomment them again ...
[12:31] <g333k_work> its greattttttT! I'm very happy
[12:32] <ogra> cool :)
[12:32] <cbx33> cool
[12:32] <cbx33> my apologies g333k_work and thank you for pointing that bug out to us
[12:32] <cbx33> ogra, i think I wrongly assumed at somestage that it was a default pacakge
[12:32] <cbx33> as it was default on gnome...
[12:32] <cbx33> I didn't know people were already using SCP on xubu
[12:32] <cbx33> hehe
[12:32] <ogra> heh
[12:32] <cbx33> naughty cbx33
[12:33] <ogra> i would have expected zenity to be a default as well ...
[12:33] <cbx33> phew
[12:33] <ogra> so dont bother ... lets just add the dep :)
[12:33] <cbx33> hehe
[12:33] <cbx33> ok,
[12:33] <cbx33> backported?
[12:33] <ogra> we could do that, yes ...
[12:34] <ogra> or rather let jdong do it and not get our hands dirty :)
[12:34] <cbx33> well true
[12:34] <cbx33> hhah
[12:34] <cbx33> nice one ogra
[12:34] <g333k_work> cbx33, I'm the first one!
[12:34] <ogra> i'm training delegation :)
[12:34] <cbx33> hehehe
[12:34] <LaserJock> :-)
[12:34] <cbx33> you need to
[12:34] <ogra> the more i travel the more i have to delegate
[12:34] <cbx33> you do too much as it is
[12:35] <ogra> an dedulinux will drive me around the world the next six months
[12:35] <cbx33> right
[12:35] <cbx33> well I was shouting your name out at BETT
[12:35] <cbx33> ;)
[12:35] <ogra> teacher trainings all over europe ...
[12:35] <cbx33> you're<EMAIL_ADDRESS>right
[12:36] <ogra> yep, or<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or oliver.grawert@<one of them>
[12:36] <cbx33> ok
[12:36] <cbx33> well,
[12:36] <cbx33> I have som....*bah*...you can read it in the debrief
[12:37] <cbx33> ogra - you have mail
[12:38] <ogra> thanks ...
[12:38] <ogra> heh
[12:40] <cbx33> LaserJock, aww.....not unless you're interested in the SCP split frontend/backend thingy
[12:40] <LaserJock> well, not in any huge way
[12:40] <cbx33> heheh
[12:40] <LaserJock> one of these days I may want to write something for SCP
[12:40] <cbx33> wow you mean you are in some way?
[12:40] <cbx33> oooh
[12:40] <LaserJock> you never know
[12:41] <cbx33> I'll send it to you now
[12:41] <cbx33> you ahve mail
[12:43] <LaserJock> so I do
[12:45] <ogra> anyway, bed time ... (dog caring time rather ....)
[12:45] <ogra> night all
[12:46] <LaserJock> cya ogra
[12:46] <LaserJock> hope all goes well with the dog :(
[12:46] <LaserJock> maybe that should have been a :), not sure
[12:47] <ogra> well, i'm not sure he'll live til the end of the month ...
[12:47] <cbx33> :(
[12:47] <LaserJock> aww, sorry dude
[12:47] <ogra> its on the edge and can flp to either side
[12:48] <ogra> and i'm not even sure which one would be the better one for him ... so i'm somewhat ambivalent in my feelings atm
[12:48] <cbx33> i know how that feels
[12:48] <cbx33> we're down to one guinea pig now
[12:48] <ogra> (he's 16 and life wont be much fun for him even if he survives)
[12:49] <LaserJock> yeah, that is getting pretty old for a doc
[12:49] <LaserJock> *dog
[12:49] <cbx33> that is old
[03:27] <Feral_Kid> Any anyone tell me how to lock down a desktop so that a user cannot deactivate sharing desktops?
[03:28] <Feral_Kid> I want to not allow a user to stop the VNC server...
[04:20] <Laser_away> Feral_Kid: you should be able to use pessalus or sabayon
[08:47] <JonathanFerguson> Edubuntu 6.06.1, How do I do Passive FTP?
[12:22] <jsgotangco> heh i see will in linked in
[04:48] <flupk1> salut
[04:49] <flupk1> est-ce que quelq'un peut m'expliquer comment mettre edubuntu ( je suis sous dapper)
[04:53] <stgraber> edubuntu est une version diffrente d'Ubuntu, donc si tu comptes l'utiliser il faudra reinstaller avec un CD d'install d'Edubuntu
[04:53] <stgraber> mais sauf le cas o tu veux en faire un serveur LTSP, a t'es innutile
[04:53] <stgraber> les logiciels d'Edubuntu sont aussi prsent dans Ubuntu
[04:53] <stgraber> et installable avec synaptic
[04:54] <stgraber> tu peux d'ailleurs tous les installer avec un : sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop
[04:54] <stgraber> (normallement on parle anglais sur ce cannal)
[04:59] <flupk1> oups, sorry, I'll try to speak in english :-/
[10:47] <Asc> hi, i've downloaded edubunt 6.10 and burt iso cd, under the installation i get error " deboostrap-warning"
[10:47] <Asc> anyone ?
[10:47] <Burgundavia> hmm
[10:48] <Asc> it also say" couldn't dowload package xxx"
[10:48] <Burgundavia> have you verified the cd/
[10:48] <Burgundavia> ?
[10:48] <Asc> tno
[10:48] <Asc> no
[10:48] <Asc> trying to download from another server
[10:49] <Asc> It also says that difrets files wa corupt
[10:50] <Burgundavia> might be your burning software
[10:50] <Burgundavia> the cd has a built in verification tool
[10:50] <Asc> oh, and how do i use it ?
[10:51] <Asc> the iso file was ca  295 megs
[10:56] <Asc> i tried to check the cd now, it does not seem to contain valid release file it says
[10:56] <Asc> ?
[12:11] <junk1> hi does any one help with wireless?
[12:12] <junk1> hello?
[12:13] <junk1> sc0tt? you got any ideas for wireless?
[12:13] <cbx33> hi
[12:13] <junk1> hi
[12:13] <cbx33> what's the problem
[12:13] <junk1> wn825gv2 motorola card is the problem
[12:14] <cbx33> do you know if it is supported by ubuntu generally?
[12:15] <junk1> i need the wireless to work on the board i was told bye some one to use the cd it came with an get the .ini  or .inf or something them mount but im lost an i dont remember what to do to get it to work
[12:15] <junk1> yes it is i guess im only going by what i was told
[12:16] <junk1> lspci or what ever i typed in got the list of the laptop an the card was on it at the bottom
[12:16] <cbx33> if that is what someone told you
[12:16] <cbx33> please try looking for ndiswrapper in google
[12:16] <junk1> like i said i got the disk with the drivers for it i just cant get in the internet rit now i need wireless to do that
[12:17] <cbx33> I'm a little busy at the moment, but if I get a chance I will try to offer some more help
[12:17] <cbx33> try in the #ubuntu channel too
[12:17] <junk1> o no never again #ubuntu is worst channel i been to
[12:18] <junk1> but thanks for writing back though
[12:19] <junk1> any one else got any idea?