[00:07] <Sarvatt> i haven't had an execbuff while wedged on this machine for 2 days now using the ubuntu-x stuff, i'm saying this because that usually triggers it soon after :) i have been using 2.6.31-16 though because I need working suspend/resume during the week and the lucid kernel still has the flickering problems post resume
[00:08] <tjaalton> but you've been able to reproduce it with that kernel?
[00:10] <Sarvatt> yeah I have had it with this kernel before in the past, but I was using intel 2.9.99x at the time as well, never tried just 2.4.17 + this kernel
[00:11] <tjaalton> sounds like they are good to go then
[00:12] <Sarvatt> i need to build a kernel with the patches attached to that bug to try to get more info for them to figure it out
[00:17] <tjaalton> to me it sounds like a bad combination of components
[00:17] <tjaalton> and not a real bug
[00:20] <Sarvatt> hope so, but its affecting people on gentoo and arch as well at least and only i915-i945 from what I can see
[00:21] <tjaalton> ok
[01:36] <Sarvatt> hmm seem to have hit a snag with tseliot's new nvidia packages
[01:36] <Sarvatt> http://pastebin.com/f12e6f5a4
[01:37] <Sarvatt> looks like i had a custom /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia.conf with some options I was using before (that were commented out now) that didnt get replaced and screwed things up around line 243
[01:39] <Sarvatt> getting both of these in jockey too, dont know if thats normal
[01:39] <Sarvatt> kmod:nvidia_current - nvidia_current (Proprietary, Disabled, Not in use)
[01:39] <Sarvatt> xorg:nvidia-current - NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver (Proprietary, Disabled, In use)
[01:41] <bjsnider> jockey is used to do the update-alternatives command
[01:41] <bjsnider> which is how you get "enabled"
[01:41] <Sarvatt> yeah pasted the jockey log and those two were listed in jockey-text
[01:42] <Sarvatt> 2010-01-05 20:40:35,378 WARNING: /sys/module/nvidia_current/drivers does not exist, cannot rebind nvidia_current driver 2010-01-05 20:40:45,377 WARNING: modinfo for module nvidia failed: ERROR: modinfo: could not find module nvidia 2010-01-05 20:40:45,378 ERROR: XorgDriverHandler.enable(): package or module not installed, aborting
[01:42] <Sarvatt> i get that when i try to enable the xorg:nvidia-current
[01:43] <bjsnider> dkms status
[01:43] <bjsnider> should say what driver, if any, is installed
[01:44] <Sarvatt> nvidia-current, 190.53, 2.6.32-9-generic, x86_64: installed
[01:44] <Sarvatt> the kmod activates fine its the xorg one that wont, theres 2 seperate entries in jockey
[01:45] <superm1> i think jockey's nvidia handler might need a patch actually to not list that twice
[01:46] <superm1> Sarvatt, make sure to let tseliot know about that issue if nvidia.conf exists before starting so that he knows it needs to get cleaned up in the jockey handler
[01:46] <superm1> or maybe even the packages themselves
[01:46] <bjsnider> it's telling you whatt he problem is: /sys/module/nvidia_current/drivers does not exist
[01:48] <Sarvatt> test
[01:48] <Sarvatt> oh ok message wasnt going through
[01:48] <Sarvatt>   /sys/module/nvidia/ exists but no nvidia_current, nvidia is listed in lsmod but modinfo doesnt know about nvidia just nvidia-current
[01:48] <Sarvatt> because it started with a / :)
[01:49] <superm1> Sarvatt, i want to say that special /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia.conf resolves nvidia to be nvidia-current or something like that
[01:49] <superm1> which allows you to have multiple nvidia.conf's on your system
[01:49] <superm1> *nvidia.ko's
[01:49] <Sarvatt> ahh
[01:50] <superm1> so if jockey failed to set that config because you had something there, it's gonna cause more pain later
[01:50]  * Sarvatt tries to figure out how to fix this
[01:50] <superm1> remove the driver packages and your nvidia.conf and reinstall them i think
[01:50] <superm1> def something that tseliot will need to account for
[01:52] <Sarvatt> i'm just not near the box anymore and have to figure out how to use jockey-text to reinstall it because I thought I read manually installing nvidia-current wont set up alternatives right :D
[01:57] <Sarvatt> ah yeah alias nvidia nvidia-current
[01:57] <Sarvatt> i purged it and removed the .conf, rebooted, installed through jockey and it failed
[01:59] <Sarvatt> i think it modprobed before linking the nvidia.conf or something that time
[02:00] <Sarvatt> so it failed in failsafe mode and gave the error message but its working fine after rebooting
[02:01] <Sarvatt> nope, using swrast
[02:02] <Sarvatt> ERROR: XorgDriverHandler.enable(): package or module not installed, aborting
[02:02]  * Sarvatt wonders if theres some other required package not getting pulled in here
[02:03] <bryyce> ick
[02:07] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, sudo update-alternatives --set gl_conf $(ld_so_conf_path)
[02:07] <bjsnider> sudo ldconfig
[02:09] <bryyce> heya bjsnider, don't know if we've met.  welcome to ubuntu-x  :-)
[02:09] <Sarvatt> whats the ld_so_conf_path supposed to be?
[02:09] <superm1> bryyce, bjsnider is the one maintaining the vdpau PPA with all sorts of newer drivers and stuffs
[02:10] <bryyce> sweet
[02:10] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, hold, let me wade through these variables and reconstruct it
[02:10] <bryyce> ah yes I remember running across that ppa
[02:10] <bjsnider> yes you did
[02:11] <bjsnider> i packaged that beta driver that got released because somebody broke an nda with nvidia and you asked me to remove it
[02:12] <bryyce> oh yeah
[02:13] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, /usr/lib/nvidia-current/ld.so.conf
[02:13] <bryyce> thanks again; that was looking like it could have turned into a big political mess but it all worked out well
[02:14] <bjsnider> no prob
[02:14] <bjsnider> i didn't leak it though. it appeared on a russian site and people were already installing it. the cat was out of the bag. nvidia should have just let it go
[02:15] <Sarvatt> not the /etc/ld.so.conf.d/GL.conf that got installed with the xserver update?
[02:16] <Sarvatt> they both are the same anyway
[02:16] <bjsnider> that's the command alberto says you need to run to manually enable the driver
[02:17] <bjsnider> does anybody know anything about opencl?
[02:18] <bjsnider> i'm trying to figure out of this huge shared library has to do with it
[02:18] <bjsnider> nvidia has helpfully not documented its existence or purpose at all
[02:19] <Sarvatt> thats weird, the libglx.so / libdri.so alternatives didnt get set up in the xserver-xorg-core.postinst like they should have
[02:20] <Sarvatt> Can't call method "slave" on an undefined value at /usr/sbin/update-alternatives line 1017.
[02:20] <Sarvatt> ah hah
[02:20] <bjsnider> what is on that line?
[02:21] <Sarvatt> http://pastebin.com/d73f439a3
[02:22] <Sarvatt> those slave alternatives arent getting set up here,  ldconfig -p | grep libglx returns nothing
[02:23] <bjsnider> what is the undefined value?
[02:23] <Sarvatt> supposed to be generic ones set up i thought and then alternatived out when you switch
[02:24] <bjsnider> can you cat the script and look at line 1017?
[02:32] <Sarvatt> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 2010-01-05 20:55 /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so -> /etc/alternatives/libglx.so    lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 38 2010-01-05 20:55 /etc/alternatives/libglx.so -> /usr/lib/nvidia-current/xorg/libglx.so
[02:32] <Sarvatt> that looks right but
[02:32] <Sarvatt> [    0.172246] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/standard/libglx.so
[02:32] <Sarvatt> in Xorg.0.log
[02:35] <bjsnider> standard?
[02:38] <bjsnider> that path doesn't exist in the postinst script
[02:48] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, try removing /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/standard/libglx.so
[03:50] <Sarvatt> hmm I think its here
[03:50] <Sarvatt>              --slave #LIBDIR#/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so libdri.so #LIBDIR#/xorg/modules/extensions/standard/libdri.so \
[03:50] <Sarvatt>              --slave #LIBDIR#/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so libglx.so #NVIDIAEXTENSION#/libglx.so
[03:52] <Sarvatt> need to look at the full postinst for nvidia-current, i'm just looking at the diff and its missing a bunch of it but libdri.so is getting set up right and libglx.so isnt
[03:54] <bjsnider> --slave /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so libglx.so /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/standard/libglx.so \
[03:55] <Sarvatt> --slave #LIBDIR#/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so libglx.so #NVIDIAEXTENSION#/xorg/libglx.so is what it should be I think
[03:55] <Sarvatt> /usr/lib/nvidia-current/xorg/libglx.so
[03:55] <Sarvatt> thats where it is here
[03:56] <bjsnider> that file exists?
[03:56] <Sarvatt> yep
[03:56] <Sarvatt> its in xorg/ not just nvidia-current/
[03:56] <Sarvatt> dont know how it worked for anyone if thats the case though
[03:57] <Sarvatt> i mean the drivers work i just dont get any gl outside of swrast
[03:57] <bjsnider> it's been working for people as far as i know
[03:57] <bjsnider> ok, maybe that's it
[03:57] <bjsnider> maybe nobody but you has tested glx
[04:00] <Sarvatt> thats just in the nvidia-current.postinst.in, in nvidia-current.postinst it has             --slave /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so libglx.so /usr/lib/nvidia-current/xorg/libglx.so
[04:01] <bjsnider> ok, well the .in is used to generate the other
[04:01] <bjsnider> so NVIDIAEXTENSION must be the correct path, ie. /usr/lib/nvidia-current/xorg
[04:05] <Sarvatt> --slave /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so libglx.so /usr/lib/nvidia-current/xorg/libglx.so is what it is in /var/lib/dpkg/info/nvidia-current.postinst too, so much for that
[04:06] <Sarvatt> sarvatt@sarvatt-hp:/var/lib/dpkg/info$ ll /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so
[04:06] <Sarvatt> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 2010-01-05 20:55 /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so -> /etc/alternatives/libglx.so
[04:06] <Sarvatt> sarvatt@sarvatt-hp:/var/lib/dpkg/info$ ll /etc/alternatives/libglx.so
[04:06] <Sarvatt> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 38 2010-01-05 20:55 /etc/alternatives/libglx.so -> /usr/lib/nvidia-current/xorg/libglx.so
[04:06]  * Sarvatt is stumped.
[04:07] <bjsnider> do you still have /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/standard/libglx.so?
[04:10] <Sarvatt> yep, and the alternatives are switching away /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so/libdri.so instead of the ones in standard/
[04:11] <Sarvatt> if you dont have nvidia-current installed it sets up alternatives for  /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so to  /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/standard/libglx.so
[04:12] <bjsnider> if the alternatives are switching away, why is your system trying to load the standard alternative?
[04:14] <bjsnider> the standard file should be a link. where does it point to?
[04:19] <Sarvatt> sarvatt@sarvatt-hp:/var/lib/dpkg/info$ sudo update-alternatives --remove gl_conf /usr/lib/nvidia-current/ld.so.conf
[04:19] <Sarvatt> update-alternatives: using /usr/lib/standard-x11/ld.so.conf to provide /etc/ld.so.conf.d/GL.conf (gl_conf) in auto mode.
[04:19] <Sarvatt> sarvatt@sarvatt-hp:/var/lib/dpkg/info$ sudo update-alternatives --set gl_conf /usr/lib/nvidia-current/ld.so.conf
[04:19] <Sarvatt> update-alternatives: using /usr/lib/nvidia-current/ld.so.conf to provide /etc/ld.so.conf.d/GL.conf (gl_conf) in manual mode.
[04:20] <Sarvatt> Can't call method "slave" on an undefined value at /usr/sbin/update-alternatives line 1017.
[04:21] <Sarvatt> guess i should do some googling on  Can't call method "slave" on an undefined value :)
[04:22] <bjsnider> i'd like to know what's on that line
[04:29] <Sarvatt> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=554136
[04:37] <Sarvatt> i updated my update-alternatives with that commits changes and now i get
[04:37] <Sarvatt> sarvatt@sarvatt-hp:/var/lib/dpkg/info$ sudo update-alternatives --set gl_conf /usr/lib/nvidia-current/ld.so.conf
[04:37] <Sarvatt> update-alternatives: error: alternative /usr/lib/nvidia-current/ld.so.conf for gl_conf not registered, not setting.
[04:39] <Sarvatt> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/352132/
[04:39] <Sarvatt> thats my update-alternatives --display gl_conf output
[04:40] <Sarvatt> There is only one alternative in link group gl_conf: /usr/lib/standard-x11/ld.so.conf
[04:41] <Sarvatt> so the alternatives arent getting registered with the nvidia-current.postinst for some reason
[04:45] <bjsnider> yes, because of that error that points to "line 1017"
[04:49] <Sarvatt> 2010-01-05 20:55:48 update-alternatives: run with --install /etc/ld.so.conf.d/GL.conf gl_conf /usr/lib/nvidia-current/ld.so.conf 9700 --slave $
[04:49] <Sarvatt> 2010-01-05 20:55:48 update-alternatives: link group gl_conf updated to point to /usr/lib/nvidia-current/ld.so.conf
[04:51] <Sarvatt> installing from aptitude instead of through jockey, lets see if this works this time
[04:51] <Sarvatt>   Selection    Path                                Priority   Status
[04:51] <Sarvatt> ------------------------------------------------------------
[04:51] <Sarvatt> * 0            /usr/lib/nvidia-current/ld.so.conf   9700      auto mode
[04:51] <Sarvatt>   1            /usr/lib/nvidia-current/ld.so.conf   9700      manual mode
[04:51] <Sarvatt>   2            /usr/lib/standard-x11/ld.so.conf     500       manual mode
[04:52] <Sarvatt> thats more like it
[04:55] <Sarvatt> nope still [    0.106192] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/standard/libglx.so... ah well, enough messing around for tonight :D
[05:04] <Sarvatt> wonder why it installs the nvidia libglx.so to /usr/lib/xorg/extra-modules as well
[05:08] <Sarvatt> ah hah
[05:09] <Sarvatt> i moved /usr/lib/xorg/extensions/modules/standard out of the way and it loads the libglx.so from /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/ like it should which works with the alternatives
[05:10] <Sarvatt> i guess xserver will look in subdirectories before following a link or something
[05:10] <Sarvatt> [    0.155733] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so
[05:10] <Sarvatt> [    1.220630] (II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
[05:11] <Sarvatt> so i guess standard/ needs to be moved somewhere else
[05:13] <Sarvatt> hmm, need to leave libdri.so in standard/ the way it is now, just moving the libglx.so from in there works
[05:13] <Sarvatt> otherwise i get [    1.324256] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so
[05:13] <Sarvatt> dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:14] <Sarvatt> anyway, enough messing with it tonight for real, wifes bugging me :D thanks for the help
[05:16] <bjsnider> nvidia does not change libdri
[09:43] <mvo> I reopened #494627 because my initial fix is no good, I attached a (trivial) new one - could someone please have a quick look if that makes sense and is upstreamable? it makes my nv system happy again
[09:52] <tjaalton> mvo: so that fix alone is enough to fix it?
[09:54] <mvo> tjaalton: yes, that makes it work for me - the fix itself is pretty obvious, but I don't know enough about the background to be 100% sure its the right fix. ie it might be a mandatory function (gamma_set). but I guess even then crashing is not the right approach ;)
[09:55] <mvo> tjaalton: that diff plus a revert of the stub function and my -nv system is back, the previous patch fixed the crash but colors were all messed up
[09:55] <tjaalton> mvo: ok, I guess the next step would be to post it upstream for a review then :)
[09:55] <mvo> (but only after cold restart, reboot was not enough this is why I did not catch it yesterday)
[09:56] <mvo> tjaalton: ok, cool. I will do that.
[09:56] <tjaalton> I mean if there is a chance of regressing other drivers
[09:56] <tjaalton> http://wiki.x.org/wiki/Development/Documentation/SubmittingPatches
[09:57] <mvo> oh, nice. I did not know this page
[09:57] <tjaalton> it's quite fresh
[09:57] <tjaalton> and new
[13:31] <tseliot> tjaalton: do you mind if I upload my changes to X from git?
[13:36] <tjaalton> tseliot: nope
[13:37] <tseliot> tjaalton: also, it looks like libxvmc (in Ubuntu) is not maintained in git. Shall I simply upload my changes?
[13:38] <tjaalton> tseliot: there were no ubuntu changes before..
[13:39] <tjaalton> well, occasionally yes, but
[13:39] <tjaalton> whatever you prefer
[13:40] <tseliot> tjaalton: I think these changes are something we'll have to maintain as they are required by the new alternatives system
[13:40] <tseliot> "we" meaning "I" ;)
[13:41] <tseliot> tjaalton: (ignore the noise in the changelog which is from my ppa) this is the debdiff: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/352317/
[13:42] <jcristau> ewww removing possibly modified.
[13:42] <jcristau> +conffiles
[13:42] <tseliot> yes, I know
[13:43] <tseliot> if you can think of better solutions, I'm all for it
[13:43] <tseliot> the problem is
[13:43] <tseliot> that if the file already exists
[13:43] <jcristau> i'd say alternatives in /etc are a bad idea
[13:43] <tseliot> the alternative slave won't be installed
[13:44] <tseliot> it's just a link there
[13:44] <tseliot> which points to /usr/lib/whatever/realfile
[13:44] <jcristau> it's still a bad idea.  /etc is the admin's territory.
[13:47] <tseliot> the use-case would be an admin which sets a different path to libXvMC.so.1 in /etc/X11/XvMCConfig
[13:49] <jcristau> i guess so.  i have no idea how xvmc works.
[13:49] <tseliot> jcristau: would it be better to rebuild the package without that path and rely on ld.conf.d to find the library instead?
[13:50] <jcristau> as i said, i don't know how xvmc works, or what uses this /etc/X11/XvMCConfig
[13:50] <tseliot> ok
[13:51] <jcristau> i'm just saying that from a packaging pov, having something in /etc which is managed by alternatives is asking for trouble
[13:53] <tseliot> I see your point
[13:53] <tseliot> libXvMCW_la_CFLAGS =				\
[13:53] <tseliot> 	$(AM_CFLAGS)				\
[13:53] <tseliot> 	-DXVMC_CONFIGDIR=$(sysconfdir)/X11		\
[13:53] <tseliot> sysconfdir is what it uses
[13:53] <tseliot> hmm..
[13:56] <tseliot> superm1: thoughts on this ^^
[13:56] <tseliot> ?
[14:01] <tseliot> jcristau: would it be better if I changed the place where libxvmc looks for settings to /usr/lib/whatever and used alternatives there? (I suspect that admins would be angry either way though)
[14:01] <jcristau> yes, it's probably better
[14:01] <tseliot> ok
[14:15] <bjsnider> tseliot, i found out why the 195 blob is so much bigger than previous blobs
[14:16] <tseliot> bjsnider: why?
[14:16] <bjsnider> there is a massive shared library named libnvidia-compiler.so.xxx
[14:17] <bjsnider> they have also, without documenting it, decided to include the opencl headers/shared libraries
[14:17] <bjsnider> and i think the aforementioned file has to do with that
[14:18] <bjsnider> but without any documentation, i can't be sure
[14:18] <tseliot> aah
[14:18] <bjsnider> i thought you might know
[14:19] <bjsnider> it's /usr/lib/libnvidia-compiler.so.xxx.xx
[14:19] <bjsnider> and there's also a lib32 version
[14:19] <tseliot> I spent more time making sure that the stack markings on those libraries were disabled
[14:20] <bjsnider> stack markings?
[14:20] <tseliot> without noticing what those libraries do ;)
[14:20] <tseliot> yep
[14:21] <bjsnider> i don't know what that means
[14:21] <tseliot> let me find the actual bug report
[14:21] <tseliot> bug #409456
[14:21] <tseliot> see the description
[14:23] <bjsnider> wel, whatever. is there any way i can look inside the first few lines of that file and see what it's doing at the start?
[14:29] <tseliot> what file? The proprietary library?
[14:30] <bjsnider> yep
[14:31] <tseliot> it's proprietary. It meant for you not to read it ;)
[14:33] <bjsnider> well, i guess i'll toss it in the legacy build scripts, since everything else in that directory is in there too
[14:34] <bjsnider> sarvatt had some trouble getting the glx side of the new driver to work last night
[14:34] <bjsnider> jockey didn't do the update-alternatives successfully
[14:38] <tseliot> bjsnider: because I haven't uploaded jockey yet
[14:38] <tseliot> or any other piece of the puzzle
[14:39] <bjsnider> oh, well that would explain it
[15:38] <tseliot> tjaalton: I think I'll use a patch (with quilt) instead modifying the package (libxvmc) directly. Would this be better?
[16:32] <Sarvatt> tseliot: I saw another problem when I was testing out your packages, if someone already has an /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia.conf the new one with the alias wont get linked
[16:33] <tseliot> Sarvatt: true but how can we check that in advance?
[16:34] <tseliot> users could even add some random diversion on the kernel module and break things
[16:34] <Sarvatt> can you just call it something else that people wouldnt normally have?
[16:34] <tseliot> (just an example)
[16:35] <tseliot> in theory (unless they are advanced) users wouldn't have an nvidia.conf file in that directory
[16:35] <Sarvatt> all the tweaking guides tell you to make /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia.conf, i had a custom powermizer setup in there
[16:36] <tseliot> :-/
[16:37] <tseliot> shall I get rid of any conf files that mention nvidia in that directory? It seems a bit excessive to me
[16:37] <Sarvatt> i'll try changing it to link it to /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-current.conf and put my old nvidia.conf there and see if it works
[16:38] <tseliot> Sarvatt: wait, what's the content of your .conf file?
[16:38] <tseliot> or what used to be the content of that file?
[16:39] <Sarvatt> i deleted it already :( it had some NVreg_RegistryDwords= options to change the default powermizer settings though
[16:39] <tseliot> Sarvatt: ok and it referred to the nvidia module, not nvidia-current or some other name
[16:40] <tseliot> so I guess it's just a matter of finding a different name for that link
[16:40] <Sarvatt> yeah, imagine it would just either ignore those things because it cant find nvidia if the alias one gets loaded before, or load those options then alias it after if it loads the linked one later
[16:42] <tseliot> we could use something like /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf perhaps?
[16:42] <tseliot> hoping that users won't bother writing names which are this long
[16:42] <tseliot> ;)
[16:43] <Sarvatt> yeah thats a pretty safe bet there :)
[16:46] <Sarvatt> so we'd need an updated jockey for the libglx.so alternative to work? I had to move /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/standard/libglx.so out of the way for things to work right, it was loading that even though the alternative was set up right for /usr/bin/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so
[17:00] <tseliot> you'll need an updated X, jockey, etc.
[17:00] <tseliot> I'll upload the different pieces soon
[17:01] <superm1> tseliot, setting up xvmc properly with nvidia is less important these days
[17:01] <superm1> all the cool kids just use vdpau when they use nvidia
[17:01] <superm1> so it might not be worth the troubles to configure it anymore and introduce a delta to libxvmc
[17:02] <tseliot> superm1: something like this wouldn't be big: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/352410/
[17:02] <tseliot> it's a quilt patch
[17:03] <superm1> only worry would be is if there is a lot of documentation that claims people go modify the old location
[17:05] <tseliot> right, but that path won't be used any longer and we can document that
[17:11] <superm1> Ok
[17:17] <tseliot> superm1: is that configuration file used for anything else or only for nvidia, etc.?
[17:17] <superm1> tseliot, i think it's only ever used when you do something with nvidia xvmc instead
[17:18] <tseliot> ok, so no one should want to modify it
[17:18] <tseliot> (in theory)
[17:19] <superm1> right
[17:19] <tseliot> ok, good
[18:10] <jcristau> Sarvatt: are you still running with powersave=0, or did that get fixed?
[18:15] <Sarvatt> not fixed here without that, only fixed with powersave=0 with that one remove render reclock support commit here, i've just been using 2.6.31 if I need to suspend but other people in one of those bugs said reverting another commit worked without powersave=0
[18:15] <Sarvatt> trying to find that bug to find the commit now
[18:17] <Sarvatt> http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14781
[18:18] <Sarvatt> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/anholt/drm-intel.git;a=patch;h=cf74ecbbff3e3b45bae61d28d2220f74d853e2f0 still needs powersave=0 here..
[18:20] <jcristau> Sarvatt: presumably with powersave=0, that patch doesn't change anything?
[18:24] <Sarvatt> i'm assuming theres more to powersave than render reclock or else it wouldnt make sense that its fixed with powersave=0 and that patch
[18:28] <Sarvatt> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=181a5336d6cc836f05507410d66988c483ad0154 is the one people in the kernel bugzilla were saying could be reverted from 2.6.32 to fx it without needing powersave=0
[18:28] <Sarvatt> powersave AND the remove render reclock commit that doesnt apply to 2.6.32 I mean
[18:30] <Sarvatt> i havent been able to test it at all, been trying to focus on one bug at a time and thats minor compared to the random crashing here but I imagine it's alot more important to you since you get it at first boot instead of just after resume
[18:31] <jcristau> i'll try debian's .32 with powersave=0 when i get back to my 945 laptop..
[18:38] <tjaalton> tjaalton: actually, I think it's more work to update a patch if the packaging changes
[18:38] <tjaalton> ij
[18:38] <tjaalton> damn
[18:39] <tjaalton> "uh"
[18:39] <tjaalton> oh tseliot went already
[18:39] <tjaalton> that's why I'm talking to myself
[18:39] <Sarvatt> i dont understand why .32 with powersave=0 doesn't work unless that remove render reclock support commit is applied too but i'm 100% positive it doesn't here
[19:04] <Duke`> more and more execbuf errors occuring... :(
[19:26] <wind-rider> hi
[19:26] <wind-rider> i was wondering how i could configure my wacom tablet since in lucid there is no Xorg.conf to edit
[19:26] <wind-rider> can somebody tell me?
[19:27] <wind-rider> the tablet works, but I would like to set the mouse to relative mode
[20:57] <bryyce> tjaalton, any chance we'll get -wacom for a3?
[20:57] <bryyce> tjaalton, er, I mean a2
[22:02] <tjaalton> bryyce: sure, it only depends if it's based on the (non-available) debian version or a complete fork
[22:03] <jcristau> no news from ron then?
[22:03] <bryyce> given that a2 is coming up RSN, if we want it in for a2 does that imply we'd need to do a fork?  What would that entail, just carrying a git snapshot or branch, or...?
[22:04] <tjaalton> jcristau: not since the latest email
[22:04] <jcristau> hmm ok
[22:04] <tjaalton> he said he had some snapshots for a select few to test, and the results weren't too encouraging
[22:04] <tjaalton> and I asked for one to upload to a ppa first
[22:07] <tjaalton> bryyce: either 0.10.3 or a newer snapshot
[22:08] <bryyce> I'm wondering if the results weren't encouraging, is it going to be any worse than the current situation?
[22:09] <tjaalton> well, apparently it would be worse to let people think there is a working driver available
[22:09] <tjaalton> that was his reasoning
[22:09] <bryyce> hah
[22:11] <bryyce> hrm
[22:12] <bryyce> well, if it only takes pulling a git snapshot of xf86-input-wacom and there are no other dependencies, it sort of seems like it would at least be moving us in the right direction
[22:14] <tjaalton> it's just re-inventing the packaging that is pointless. I'd rather have whatever he has now, but the git hasn't been updated for a month (and doesn't have any packaging bits)
[22:15] <bryyce> oh the packaging needs done too hmm
[22:16] <bryyce> alright, well guess we can just put in a release note that wacom is totally broken and push it to a3
[22:16] <wind-rider> tjaalton: do you know how a wacom tabled could be configured on ubuntu lucid?
[22:16] <Sarvatt> wonder if the 0.10.1 i packaged up in edgers a few months ago even works, time to dig out a tablet
[22:16] <tjaalton> basically it's pretty similar to any other input driver, but there's xsetwacom and possibly other tools as well
[22:17] <tjaalton> wind-rider: you don't
[22:17] <wind-rider> tjaalton: one can't?
[22:17] <tjaalton> wind-rider: because there is no driver. evdev is used by default, and if it doesn't work.. well too bad.
[22:17] <bryyce> wind-rider, see what we were just talking about ;-)
[22:17]  * hyperair wonders if anyone here uses the nvidia 9643 driver
[22:17] <tjaalton> it has been on the relnotes AIUI
[22:18] <wind-rider> tjaalton, bryyce: the tablet works, but i do not know how to configure it
[22:18] <wind-rider> there is pressure support, etc
[22:18] <jcristau> still no libxcb sync?
[22:19] <tjaalton> jcristau: no, requested though
[22:19] <tjaalton> for a manual sync
[22:19] <tjaalton> wind-rider: so evdev doesn't support such features
[22:20] <bryyce> tjaalton, I don't see mention of it at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/TechnicalOverview
[22:20] <bryyce> I'll add it
[22:20] <wind-rider> tjaalton: evdev does support pressure support, but no relative / absolute setting?
[22:20] <tjaalton> wind-rider: I don't know
[22:20] <Sarvatt> ummm
[22:21] <Sarvatt> the xf86-input-wacom I packaged up on edgers a few months ago works fine in current lucid
[22:21] <Sarvatt> just tested with a graphire 3 and an intuos 3
[22:21] <Sarvatt> http://pastebin.com/f798362b2
[22:21] <Sarvatt> all it took was some minor build rule adjustments
[22:22] <wind-rider> tjaalton, Sarvatt, bryyce: http://pastebin.ca/1740737 <--- here is an extract of Xorg.0.log
[22:23] <wind-rider> it sets the devices to absolute mode, but i'd like to use relative mode for the mouse
[22:23] <tjaalton> wind-rider: so try with xinput
[22:23] <jcristau> ooh xf86-input-kbd got pulled from lucid?
[22:24] <tjaalton> jcristau: yep
[22:24] <Sarvatt> wind-rider are you using xorg-edgers?
[22:24] <tjaalton> wanted to go to universe, so no reason to keep it there
[22:24] <wind-rider> Sarvatt: not yet
[22:24] <Sarvatt> oh our logs look the same is why i asked
[22:26] <wind-rider> tjaalton, Sarvatt: i can call xinput set-mode "Wacom Graphire3" RELATIVE, but then I set this mode also for pen and eraser?
[22:26] <wind-rider> there are no separate pen, eraser and mouse devices
[22:27] <wind-rider> when calling xinput list
[22:27] <jcristau> yes.  for that you need a wacom driver.
[22:27] <tjaalton> surprise, you are not using the wacom driver
[22:27] <bryyce> I've added a known-issue for this at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/TechnicalOverview
[22:28] <wind-rider> ok, now it's clear
[22:28] <wind-rider> thx for your help
[22:30]  * bryyce wordsmiths a bit
[22:32] <jcristau> tjaalton: i'll try to talk to ron on irc, see where things stand..
[22:32] <tjaalton> bryyce: nice, it's a bit incorrect though. wacom-tools -based driver doesn't work with xserver 1.7, it's not due to the hal removal
[22:32] <tjaalton> jcristau: thanks, I've seen him too every now and then
[22:39] <bryyce> tjaalton, better?
[22:39] <tjaalton> bryyce: yeah, thanks
[22:43] <bryyce> Sarvatt, I'd be interested in hearing more widespread testing of your wacom edgers package, although I'm hesistant to point people at that from the release notes
[22:44] <bryyce> if the package is good enough for us to point people to, then we ought to just put it in lucid I suppose.
[22:46] <Sarvatt> its not working, i am using evdev, sorry about that
[22:46] <tjaalton> hehe :)
[22:47] <Sarvatt> looks like I cant rebuild the old wacom-tools thjaeger sent me that was working right on xserver 1.7 now either :(
[22:47] <Sarvatt> ../../../src/xdrv/xf86Wacom.c:398: error: too few arguments to function ‘InitValuatorAxisStruct’
[22:47] <Sarvatt> that was back in july that it was working
[22:48] <bryyce> I thought about mentioning that "some limited functionality may be available from use of evdev", but then I thought, if they're reading the release note about wacom, they probably already know this.  ;-)
[22:48] <Sarvatt> he's got a newer one in his PPA but its using hal only and not working either
[22:53] <Sarvatt> tried making a little udev rule for it but no luck -- http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/352562/
[22:53] <bryyce> okie doke.  If anyone finds out anything new/interesting about wacom in the next couple days let me know asap, otherwise we'll just check in again on it in a couple weeks
[22:53] <Sarvatt> is the rule wrong maybe?
[22:54] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: no, it loaded fine
[22:54] <tjaalton> preinit failed
[22:55] <tjaalton> though I guess it should use some callout app like with hal, to init all the devices
[22:57] <jcristau> try 0.10.3?  also add some ErrorFs in preinit to see why it fails?


[00:02] <c4iff> Having an intermittent issue in 13.10 and I think it's partly because I"m not understanding a few key concepts in how gnome mounts an iPAD,  mainly what is responsible for auto mounting in file manager, seems that whatever in the gui mounts the device doesn't work some of the time and when I mount it when ifuse manually it doesn't have some key directories that are available via the automounter
[00:08] <xubuntu525> hello
[00:09] <Unit193> !hi
[03:39] <zack_> Hi, does anyone knows how to re-image Xubuntu 12.04+ systems?
[03:40] <zack_> I want to add some customized software and settings into the system, I have tried UCK, but it can't include all the settings I want
[03:41] <fibz_> easiest to use is a live system called Redo! Backup & Restore (great for fixing downed systems too) www.redobackup.org
[03:42] <zack_> @fibz, can i install this system later into other machines?
[03:42] <fibz_> can get hairy if the systems are too dissimilar though
[03:45] <zack_> I know that there are a lot of ubuntu based systems, such as Linux Mint, anyone knows how they are made?
[03:45] <zack_> i think i can use the same way they used to customize and save the system
[03:46] <fibz_> sqashfs and your apt repo
[03:46] <zack_> any documents?
[03:46] <fibz_> and a batch script
[03:48] <zack_> i have tried UCK, i think it's also using sqashfs, but it can't save all the settings. Usually what i'm doing is to save the configuration file in the current system and put them into the new system, but it costs time and the result is not as expected
[03:51] <fibz_> ask in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-server i suppose
[03:51] <zack_> ok, thanks
[04:46] <xubuntuLordFox> hola
[04:46] <xubuntuLordFox> alguien habla español?
[04:52] <fibz_> try in #ubuntu-es
[05:01] <FuuqUmiist> what are the main differences between Xubuntu and Lubuntu i know that Lubuntu uses less resources
[05:02] <fibz_> xubuntu uses XFCE, lubuntu uses LXDE
[05:02] <fibz_> different artwork, different default set of applications
[05:02] <fibz_> and settings
[05:03] <FuuqUmiist> what is Xubuntu aimed for
[05:03] <holstein> not low spec hardware, necessarily
[05:03] <fibz_> low spec out of the box ready for whatever
[05:03] <holstein> xfce is not "heavy" though
[05:04] <fibz_> or if you want ubuntu and xfce
[05:21] <Kekai> Hi all
[05:23] <Kekai> Noob Xubuntu user here
[05:23] <Kekai> Program recomendations anyone?
[05:24] <Kekai> I use Chrome, Skype, Quassel, Spotify, and Nightingale in Ubuntu and wondered if they ar ein Xubuntu
[05:24] <holstein> use the defaults.. explore other options as needed
[05:24] <holstein> Kekai: xubuntu *is* ubuntu
[05:24] <Kekai> ok
[05:25] <holstein> you install chrome the same way.. download the .deb file..
[05:25] <holstein> !skype
[05:25] <holstein> though, you can download a .deb file from the skype site as well..
[05:25] <Kekai> how is it on Ram usage, the OS
[05:25] <Kekai> I hear its light
[05:25] <Kekai> I only have 512mb on this netbook.
[05:25] <holstein> nothing makes your machine any faster than it is
[05:26] <holstein> xfce can be noticably lighter on resources.. but, 512 is pushing it these days..
[05:26] <holstein> not the OS, necessarily, but just normal web browsing... etc
[05:26] <Kekai> well Chrome is light
[05:27] <Kekai> I rn 100+mb/s Internet connection
[05:27] <Kekai> I might try Opera
[05:27] <holstein> chrome is not an os.. use what you like there
[05:27] <holstein> im talking about accessing the internet, generally
[05:27] <Kekai> no I meant for the browser
[05:27] <Kekai> and chrome is an OS
[05:27] <Kekai> Chromebooks
[05:27] <holstein> Kekai: thats not what i was talking about.. nor you
[05:28] <Kekai> no :3
[05:28] <Kekai> sorry
[05:28] <holstein> Kekai: you were talking about running chrom on ubuntu
[05:28] <holstein> chrome*
[05:28] <holstein> thats not the chrome os.. and its not supported here..
[05:28] <Kekai> ight internet browsers?
[05:28] <Kekai> I hear Firefox is heavy
[05:29] <Kekai> Im reading a forum and everyone is complaining FF is a resource hog
[05:29] <holstein> Kekai: its literally free to try it
[05:29] <Unit193> Depends on how many tabs you have, the more you have the worse chrome is.
[05:29] <holstein> https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/browser/ is where you can try chrome for free
[05:30] <Unit193> (or use chromium, either way.)
[05:30] <holstein> chromium is in the default repos..
[05:30] <Unit193> Could try midori, but don't think it's 100% compatible with some sites.
[05:30] <holstein> !info chromium
[05:30] <Kekai> I hear opera is light
[05:30] <holstein> Kekai: try it as well. it is also free to try
[05:30] <Unit193> (chromium-browser)
[05:30] <Kekai> Im using 12.04 LTS Xubuntu
[05:31] <holstein> Unit193: :/
[05:33] <holstein> xfce/xubuntu is a good balance between being light and functional.. not sure what i would run with 512 of ram, though..
[05:33] <Kekai> I ran 12.04 before and it was awesome
[05:33] <Kekai> ast
[05:33] <Kekai> and load times were nearly gone
[05:33] <holstein> puppy linux is nice, since it loads in ram and runs *great* on old hardware.. but, its nice to have a balance where you have the ubuntu repositories and support community to take advantage ot
[05:34] <Kekai> I tried puppy linux
[05:34] <Kekai> not a fan
[05:34] <Kekai> Besides I have chats like this one and you guys seem nice enough to help
[05:36] <Kekai> is there a way to get rid of the title bar on windows?
[05:38] <Kekai> bbl
[05:38] <holstein> one thing i do is, i generally load up a live CD, and really tweak *everything*.. or, i'll load the guest account, or make a test user.. and see what does what. all the settings, even ones that seem like they might break something
[05:38] <holstein> http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=3429
[10:10] <kono> hi
[10:13] <kono> is apparmor @ xubuntu installed at standard install? I searched for such an app, but now I see it is already installed, I never recognized this ... it is strange
[10:14] <cfhowlett> !apparmor
[10:18] <kono> not? in my dpkg log "2013-04-23 15:06:59 install apparmor:amd64 <none> 2.8.0-0ubuntu11" this could be the time I installed xubuntu
[10:22] <kono> it is also in the last dpkg log file dpkg.log.9.gz
[10:25] <kono> I regard, what I install, so I would know that, if I installed manually
[11:55] <starrats> Good morning everyone!  I have a small problem, hope it's fixable besides reiinstall xubuntu 13-10.  Yesterday not doing it intentionally I lost the 'workspaces' boxes on top of my desktop where I had 4 litlle boxes for 4 different 'windows'.  I have tried to bring them back with the knowledge I have but to no avail, is there a way to bring them back to the top of the desktop next to my clock/date area?
[11:56] <cfhowlett> starrats, you could nuke your xfce (desktop environment) settings, logout, login and they should reset back to default
[11:57] <Sysi> or just right click on panel, find "Add new items" and add the workspace switcher back
[11:58] <Sysi> drag from the list to get it where you want
[11:58] <sandman13> how to make xfce look exactly like this: http://imgur.com/kBDpw6f
[11:59] <cfhowlett> sandman13, might want to ask the xfce channel
[12:00] <sandman13> in xubuntu?
[12:01] <cfhowlett> sandman13, xfce.org   are the experts
[12:01] <sandman13> okay cfhowlett
[12:01] <starrats> a lot of good ideas and I have not tried any of those but how do you 'nuke' your xfce (desktop environment' with out nuking the whole xubuntu 13-10, remember i am running it on VBox.
[12:02] <starrats> and where is 'Add new items'?
[12:03] <Sysi> in submenu under the pop-up menu you get when right clicking on the panl IIRC
[12:04] <cfhowlett> starrats, go to your home.  display .hidden folders.  go to .config>  delete xfce4 folder
[12:05] <starrats> ah ok cfhowlett
[12:05] <Sysi> that doesn't work, you need to do it when not logged in or the settings daemon will rewrite them when you log out
[12:05] <cfhowlett> starrats, and FYI you are ONLY deleting your desktop environment settings, NOT the entire xubuntu :)
[12:10] <starrats> okay cfhowlett
[13:05] <starrats> thanks everyone that answered my question earlier.  But I'm a noob per se and I still don't like getting into hidden files, if I could find them and doing what was sugeested.  I'm fine at this time just runing a few tabs up on top.
[15:00] <kono> @ubottu thanks
[16:46] <asd_> hi how can i buypass login screen at the beggining?
[16:51] <ochosi> asd_: bypass? you mean autologin?
[16:54] <asd_> yes autologin, i tried searching in settings but i can find solution
[16:55] <GridCube> asd_, edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[16:55] <GridCube> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightDM
[17:02] <GridCube> asd_, edit the lightdm.conf file on your directory, simply launch : gksu mousepad /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[17:02] <GridCube> the option you need to add or modify is this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightDM#Autologin
[19:45] <sohail-ahmed> I am runing a program with some flags and its generating many types of error, one typical error is about indentation and this error is hiding other errors meaning the terminal do not scroll further. How can I see all the error in my terminal so that I can scroll beyond all the data?
[20:12] <krytarik> sohail-ahmed: You can either increase the scrollback of your Terminal, or redirect the output to a file: http://docs.xfce.org/apps/terminal/preferences , http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6674327/redirect-all-output-to-file
[20:31] <sohail-ahmed> thanks!!!
[21:24] <john_rambo>  Both whitelist and blacklist are disabled but I am still getting this http://paste.ubuntu.com/6956552/
[21:24] <john_rambo> in snort
[21:48] <ReaganomicsLambo> Hey guys, I have this external hardrive connected to my laptop and sometimes, when I move around, the disk will disconnect and remount. However, the folder I was currently viewing will appear as Null and I will get the "Open with" dialog window when the disk is remounted. Is there any way I can remount the disk so the folder I was currently viewing doesn't mount as null?
[21:48] <ReaganomicsLambo> normally the problem is fixed by logging out, but is there an easier way?
[21:48] <holstein> ReaganomicsLambo: fix the device
[21:49] <holstein> or, dont touch it when you are trying to use it
[21:52] <ReaganomicsLambo> IDK what just happened but I just right-clicked on the null folder icon that was on the root of the disk and it remounted by itself and now the folder isn't null anymore.
[21:53] <ReaganomicsLambo> Problem solved lol.
[23:33] <SonikkuAmerica> AussieDownUnder: http://www.webupd8.org/2013/07/light-locker-new-session-locker-for.html <<< should tell you all you need to know.
[23:38] <weems> What do I do if I login to my user and all that loads is the wallpaper? The guest account loads the UI fine
[23:45] <krytarik> weems: Try clearing your sessions cache: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2159679
[23:45] <weems> ok thanks krytarik
[23:55] <weems> krytarik, still the same problem
[23:59] <krytarik> weems: What happens when you run "xfdesktop" and "xfdesktop", respectively, manually from the Terminal? Does it work, or do you get any error messages there?


[03:24] <c2tarun> apachelogger: ping
[04:20] <c2tarun> this imagebin http://imagebin.org/147560  is of time when I was switching my workspace, why I am getting the options menu in b/w :/
[04:20] <c2tarun> Riddell: ^^
[04:46] <c2tarun> ^^ Problem fixed on rebooting.
[05:13] <valorie> anybody else having problems with shutdown in 4.6.2?
[05:13] <valorie> ever since installing it, my laptop doesn't ever shut down
[05:13] <ScottK> valorie: Fix was uploaded yesterday.
[05:13] <valorie> ah, ok
[05:14] <ScottK> I'd wait until Tuesday to update though.
[05:14] <valorie> ok
[05:14] <ScottK> Beta 2 freeze is in ~4 hours and so who knows what crap people are shoving in right now.
[05:14] <valorie> indeed
[05:45] <c2tarun> can anyone please look at this imagebin http://imagebin.org/147565 earlier I was getting something kind of menu while switching workspaces and now I am getting image or yakuake while switching workspaces :/
[05:48] <c2tarun> /s/or/of
[05:48] <c2tarun> /s/or/of/
[05:48] <c2tarun> s/or/of/
[05:48] <kubotu> c2tarun meant: "/s/of/of/"
[05:48] <c2tarun> :/
[08:16] <ScottK> Riddell and apachelogger: I finally got motivated and uploade 4.5.5 to -proposed.  I would appreciate it if one of you would upload the language packs since you know all about the magic script (4.5.5 lang packs never got uploaded to the PPA, so I guess from ktown).
[08:16] <ScottK> Bug #757065
[08:23] <c2tarun> ScottK: what is -proposed? and by language pack do you mean kde-l10n?
[08:23] <ScottK> Yes.
[08:24] <ScottK> It's the archive pocket for testing post release changes before they are released for all users in -updates.
[08:24] <c2tarun> ScottK: I packed it for maverick 4.6.2, may be I can do it for 4.5.5 as welll
[08:25] <ScottK> c2tarun: No.  I need someone who has upload rights to the main Ubuntu archive to do it.
[08:25] <ScottK> Thanks for offering though.
[08:26] <c2tarun> ScottK: oh.. :) np
[09:24] <bambee> morning
[09:40] <bambee> Is there a way to be sure that an e-mail is not a fake ? (without gpg signing)
[09:52] <valorie> bambee, do you know how to read email headers?
[09:52] <valorie> if you have a bunch from the person, and can compare, that is pretty good, I would say
[09:54] <bambee> valorie: I can save it as ".eml" from my e-mails client and read the header
[09:54] <bambee> (correct me If I am wrong)
[09:55] <valorie> sad -- you used to just be able to do a key combo, and see them all
[09:55] <valorie> in kmail too
[09:55] <valorie> but kmail doesn't work for me anymore
[09:55] <valorie> :(
[09:56] <bambee> I use thunderbird
[09:56]  * bambee hides
[09:56] <valorie> heh
[09:56] <valorie> I used to use Mozilla
[09:57] <valorie> until it lost like 9 months of my mail
[09:57] <bambee> o_O
[09:59] <valorie> yeah
[09:59] <valorie> from then on I went to IMAP on our own server
[10:01] <debfx> bambee: just press ctrl+u if you want to see the headers
[10:01] <bambee> debfx: thanks
[10:02] <valorie> that's the bit, yeah
[10:05] <debfx> agateau: I've filed and fixed bug #755537 in Ubuntu. Hopefully my bug description is accurate enough so you can fix it easily upstream.
[10:07] <agateau> debfx: interesting, I can't reproduce the bug, though. do you run the applet in the systemtray or standalone?
[10:07] <dpm> apachelogger, around? I'm adding a short description about the UADW sessions today. Do you want me to say something in particular about your session on plasma widgets?
[10:09] <debfx> agateau: standalone but I can only reliably reproduce it in plasmoidviewer
[10:10] <Riddell> happy beta freeze
[10:12] <bambee> agateau: on my desktop (at home) I can reproduce it when the applet runs in the systemtray... at least I reproduced it few days ago... I did not try recently
[10:13] <debfx> apachelogger: I've uploaded kde4libs now, it would still be good if you could have a look at it
[10:19] <apachelogger> it is surprising how many stupid people you can meet in only 2 hours
[10:19] <apachelogger> debfx: the patch is goody
[10:20] <apachelogger> although I am a bit concerned that it does a qstring compare
[10:20] <apachelogger> maybe the patch should be dropped :P
[10:20] <bambee> valorie: "Authentification-Results" looks good (apparently I need to check it), it's not a fake... wow... o_O
[10:22] <apachelogger> dpm: let me get more coffee and I'll tell you :)
[10:25] <dpm> apachelogger, no worries, take your time :)
[10:38] <apachelogger> dpm: Plasma is the shell of the KDE Software Collection and available for many different form factors, it is almost entirely built out of widgets. Harald will show you how to create such amazing widgets, with surprisingly little code, to enrich your desktop experience and maybe even share with others.
[10:38] <apachelogger> how is that?
[10:40] <valorie> bambee -- as I recall, it is up to the mail server whether or not that is worthwhile or not
[10:40] <valorie> haven't discussed it with my son recently, since we don't have mail set up on our server now
[10:41] <valorie> since kmail doesn't work, there didn't seem much point
[10:49] <bambee> valorie: so it's not really a proof ?
[10:50] <dpm> apachelogger, that sounds wonderful, thanks :)
[10:50] <valorie> I would do some research before trusting it, yes
[10:50] <valorie> unfortunately
[10:51] <valorie> perhaps some of the bigger ISPs have finally started doing authentication
[10:51] <\sh> apachelogger: angeber ;)
[10:51] <valorie> which would be great
[10:51] <valorie> they were not a couple of years ago
[10:51] <apachelogger> \sh: what did I do?
[10:51] <apachelogger> the description?
[10:52] <\sh> apachelogger: yeah ;)
[10:52] <valorie> apachelogger: where did you find all the stupid people?
[10:52] <apachelogger> \sh: well, I am in management :P
[10:52] <apachelogger> stuff needs to get sold ;)
[10:52] <apachelogger> valorie: university
[10:53] <\sh> apachelogger: hehe :) yes :) I know the management slang...it's disgusting ;)
[10:53] <valorie> that's where the smart people hang out, I thought?
[10:53] <valorie> they put the stupid there, in Austria?
[10:54] <\sh> not only in austria...
[10:54] <apachelogger> \sh: lolz, you geeks are all the same :P
[10:54] <valorie> heh
[10:54] <apachelogger> valorie: it is moron central really
[10:54] <apachelogger> if you dont feel like working -> go to university
[10:56] <valorie> you're destroying my faith in education!
[10:57] <\sh> how many IT students you need to write a good and valid timezone calculation? 10 and still the result is/will be always wrong...because they don't know what DST is *bhod*
[10:57] <valorie> actually, I have no faith in education
[10:57] <valorie> only learning
[10:57]  * apachelogger has no faith in DST
[10:57]  * apachelogger supports the UTC everywhere movement
[10:58] <apachelogger> \sh, valorie: what widget should I make today?
[10:59] <\sh> apachelogger: believe me, you will scream: Java Dev: "We are now in UTC+2, right?" Me: "No, we are not in UTC+2, we are still UTC+1" "But we have 10:00am, and UTC time is 08:00am, so we are" "No, fool, it's UTC+1 + DST" "What is DST?" "Bah, go away, you stink"
[11:00]  * apachelogger giggles
[11:00] <apachelogger> java
[11:00]  * apachelogger giggles some moar
[11:00] <\sh> apachelogger: angry birds on plasma? or "Slice It on Plasma"? I'm addicted
[11:00] <apachelogger> knock knock
[11:00] <valorie> I'm pretty sure your favorite is Where is my Pr0n?
[11:01] <apachelogger> hmmm
[11:01] <apachelogger> \sh: no idea what the latter is
[11:01] <valorie> but that presumably isn't suitable for a class
[11:01] <\sh> apachelogger: andoird market -> search -> slice it
[11:01] <apachelogger> meh
[11:02] <apachelogger>  for angry birds the physics would take too long to work out
[11:02] <apachelogger> though generally possible with qml & plasma
[11:02] <apachelogger> valorie: so you say :P
[11:03] <\sh> apachelogger: then "rewrite" http://www.phoboslab.org/ztype/ in c++ or python, pls
[11:03]  * apachelogger only does jahavascript
[11:03]  * apachelogger is a jahava witness
[11:07] <valorie> gah, brain has died
[11:07] <valorie> sleeeeep
[11:07] <apachelogger> plasma active
[11:07]  * apachelogger feels a slight PITA
[11:07] <apachelogger> valorie: nini
[11:13] <Peace-> can't login anymore
[11:13] <Peace-> on natty
[11:13] <Peace-> no protocla specified
[11:14] <Peace-> protocol
[11:19] <Peace-> no protocol specified xinit giving up unable to connect to X server  connection refused
[11:36] <apachelogger> anyone around for a bit of test0ring
[11:38] <Peace-> here
[11:39] <Peace->  damn i have just fixed my natty
[11:39] <Peace-> xD
[11:39] <Peace-> home full
[11:39] <Peace-> = no login
[11:39] <apachelogger> run plasmaengineexplorer -> select notifcations in the drop down
[11:39] <apachelogger> do you see anything in the table below?
[11:40] <apachelogger> Peace-: you did not get a notification about your filled up home last time you were logged in?
[11:40] <Peace-> yep but i was doing remastersys so  i have stopped
[11:41] <apachelogger> k
[11:41] <Peace-> and i have not checked how much space i left
[11:41] <Peace-> rebotin i have thinked about that
[11:41] <Peace-> xd
[11:41] <apachelogger> well, not logging when disk full without proper error message and the means to fix it sorta sux
[11:42] <Peace-> i got a strange error
[11:42] <Peace-> like
[11:42] <Peace-> no protocol specified
[11:42] <Peace-> XD
[11:42] <apachelogger> report a bug plz
[11:42] <Peace-> then i have made ubuntu-bug X
[11:42] <apachelogger> and take a look at the plasmaengineexplorer thing :P
[11:43] <Peace-> and i have got the message you home is full :P
[11:43] <Peace-> lucly i have my puppylinux :P
[11:50]  * apachelogger thinks plasma dataengines are one big lie
[11:51] <Peace-> i have modified the init javascript
[11:52] <Peace-> xD for plasma desktop
[11:52] <Peace-> so i get gnome style layout for panels
[11:58] <Peace-> o wow kpackagekit doens' have some dependences
[11:58] <Peace-> xD
[12:02] <c2tarun> good evening :)
[12:03] <apachelogger> c2tarun: good afternoon :P
[12:03] <c2tarun> apachelogger: hey finally you replied :)
[12:04] <apachelogger> I always reply
[12:04] <apachelogger> I am the reply0r
[12:04] <c2tarun> apachelogger: only when you are around ;)
[12:04] <apachelogger> for obvious reasons :P
[12:04] <c2tarun> apachelogger: anyway u remember the project you suggested me (phonon for android)
[12:04] <apachelogger> yes
[12:05] <c2tarun> apachelogger: I failed to get that into GSoC now I want to take it to SoK, but for preparing the report I need some information about technical details.
[12:05] <c2tarun> apachelogger: I dont have any experience with android and phonon, can you please suggest me where to start?
[12:07] <apachelogger> c2tarun: get the android sdk, set it up, try to create some hello world app or similar
[12:08] <c2tarun> apachelogger: any reference documentation available on internet?
[12:08] <apachelogger> android.com
[12:08] <apachelogger> c2tarun: there is also google, you really should try google
[12:08] <c2tarun> apachelogger: ok, and what about phonon?
[12:08] <apachelogger> they actually made it a business to tell people whether there is documentatio and where to find it
[12:09] <apachelogger> c2tarun: see phonon headers
[12:09] <c2tarun> headers?
[12:09] <apachelogger> .h files
[12:09] <apachelogger> http://www.cprogramming.com/tutorial/lesson1.html
[12:10] <c2tarun> apachelogger: okay.... I'll do my research, and please I'll ping again if I get stuck
[12:11]  * apachelogger ponders using the photo of markey sleeping at his desk in his presentation ^^
[13:00] <Riddell> ooh kubuntu-mobile image works
[13:00] <Riddell> not very well, but it works
[13:38] <ScottK> valorie: What's the problem with kmail (it's working for me quite well)?
[13:39] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you see my ping for translation updates (4.5.5) for maverick?
[13:39] <Riddell> ScottK: oh yes, I can add that to my todo
[13:39] <ScottK> Thanks.
[13:40] <ScottK> I talked with pitti and we can probably do it tomorrow after the buildds have calmed down from the pre-beta2 rush.
[13:40] <ScottK> Anytime before then.
[13:41] <Riddell> hmm, no darkwingduck or nixternal to hassle about docs
[13:48] <c2tarun> what is the release date of beta2?
[13:49] <Quintasan_> Riddell: ping
[13:50] <ScottK> c2tarun: Thursday.
[14:00] <Riddell> hi Quintasan
[14:04] <c2tarun> Riddell: hi :) is there any work except testing?
[14:06] <Riddell> not immediately
[14:09] <jussi01> mrgh, didnt read properlyt and upgraded... now no kde :(
[14:14] <Riddell> jussi01: how did you upgrade?
[14:14] <jussi01> Riddell: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:14] <Riddell> ug, don't do that, surely you've been around long enough to know that
[14:15] <jussi01> yeah, bit silly, force of habbit :(
[14:16] <Riddell> hmm, I'm getting kde uninstall on natty dist-upgrade too, I wonder what's causing it
[14:16] <Quintasan> Riddell: oh yeah, what am I supossed to put in https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/UDS-O ?
[14:17]  * Quintasan just added Who goes, who will participate remotely and Specs sections
[14:17] <Riddell> Quintasan: whatever we should have sessions on at UDS
[14:17] <ulysses> world domination
[14:18] <Quintasan> Riddell: hmmm, and where do I take them from? Launchpad?
[14:19]  * Quintasan can imagine we would want to cover some stuff on our Todo as well
[14:19] <yofel> true, aptitude wants to remove a whole bunch of stuff, yesterday it was only the translations
[14:21] <danimo> hi
[14:22] <yofel>   kdelibs5-plugins: Depends: kdelibs5-data (= 4:4.6.2-0ubuntu3) but 4:4.6.2-0ubuntu2 is installed.
[14:22] <Quintasan> danimo: hello
[14:22] <danimo> who is working on the Qt Creator packages?
[14:22] <Quintasan> us
[14:22] <Quintasan> danimo: :)
[14:22] <danimo> Quintasan: anyone who feels particulary involved?
[14:22] <Quintasan> danimo: if it is urgent I can do it
[14:22] <danimo> no, more of a general thing
[14:23] <danimo> we received a bug report: QTCREATORBUG-3561
[14:23] <danimo> http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTCREATORBUG-3561
[14:23] <danimo> (it's quite old at some point)
[14:23] <danimo> at this point
[14:24] <danimo> I want to close it, because I don't think we can deliver a good expirience with the "nightly" packages, especially because they often require an up to date Qt
[14:24] <danimo> that is unless you guys have a better idea
[14:25] <Quintasan> danimo: hmm, we can incorporate it in Project Neon if you want nigthly packages
[14:25] <Quintasan> yofel, shadeslayer: ^
[14:25] <danimo> Quintasan: we do have nightly builds, but in a binary installer that comes with a snapshot of an up-to-date Qt version
[14:25] <Quintasan> oh
[14:25] <Quintasan> I see
[14:25] <jussi01> yofel: what can we do about it?
[14:26] <danimo> Quintasan: and there are other fancy things, like you need the private headers of the Qt version you build against
[14:26] <Quintasan> Riddell: ^
[14:26] <danimo> so the resulting binaries are tied to the specific creator version
[14:26] <danimo> err, specific Qt version
[14:26] <danimo> does project neon come with its own Qt?
[14:27] <Quintasan> danimo: we build kde-qt
[14:27] <Quintasan> in Project Neon
[14:27] <danimo> (the reason for requiring Qt internals is QML tooling, because some QML introspection has no exposed API)
[14:28] <Quintasan> yofel: could you request a Qt rebuild later for Neon?
[14:31] <Riddell> Quintasan: from all the kubuntu developers and contributors
[14:31] <ScottK> yofel and jussi01: Sound like archive skew and you're on amd64.  Just wait an hour or so, apt-get update, and try again.
[14:32] <Quintasan> danimo: I think I don't get something here. if you close it, what happens to the nightly installer and how's that relevant to us?
[14:32] <danimo> Quintasan: if I close it, I close it, nothing more
[14:33] <danimo> Quintasan: the question just was if it was a hard effort to automate it
[14:33] <jussi01> ScottK: ahh, thanks. I will do so
[14:34] <Quintasan> danimo: well, as I said, I think we could provide nightlies of qtcreator in Project Neon repository, in Project Neon we use kde-qt, is this enough for the nightlies?
[14:34] <danimo> Quintasan: do you know which version that currently is?
[14:34] <danimo> Quintasan: and if it installs private headers
[14:35] <Quintasan> hmmm
[14:35] <Quintasan> the package version is 	2+git20110326+r934-33
[14:35] <Quintasan> so it was built not so long ago
[14:36] <danimo> well, from which branch? 4.7? master?
[14:36] <Quintasan> >This is KDE’s copy of Qt, containing the latest release, plus patches for Qt that haven’t been accepted (yet) by Qt Software.
[14:36] <debfx> danimo: we don't package the private qt headers
[14:37] <danimo> brb
[14:37] <Quintasan> danimo: so yeah, it should be the latest release
[14:37] <Quintasan> dunno about private headers
[14:38] <Quintasan> but I think we could easily modify our packaging so it installs them
[14:38] <yofel> Quintasan: why?
[14:38] <Quintasan> yofel: why new Qt build? To see if it still works :P
[14:39] <yofel> ah, if it still builds?
[14:39] <Quintasan> no difference for me :P
[14:40] <yofel> note that kde-qt is for *some* reason using 4.7.1
[14:40] <yofel> that's what qmake --version says at least
[14:40] <yofel> Using Qt version 4.7.1 in /opt/project-neon/lib
[14:41] <Quintasan> I how's that bad?
[14:42] <Quintasan> s/I/and
[14:42] <yofel> danimo: was asking what version kde-qt wa
[14:42] <yofel> *was
[14:43] <Quintasan> well, let's just wait for him to show up and tell us which version do we need
[14:44] <Quintasan> In that I'll do my homework so I won't be wasting time
[14:45] <yofel> k, I'm off for lunch
[14:45] <Quintasan> yofel: Enjoy
[14:47] <Quintasan> Riddell: Can you append "Add specs to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/UDS-O" to the topic?
[14:57] <Quintasan> Riddell: Thanks
[14:57] <Quintasan> ScottK: 4:4.5.85really4.5.5-0ubuntu1ppa1  <-- that's really good,
[14:59] <ScottK> Someone accidentally uploaded to the wrong PPA.
[14:59] <ScottK> So that one I understand, but I'm not going to put it in the main archive that way.
[15:00] <Quintasan> Well, putting it there like that would be baaad.
[15:01] <bambee> wiki is down ?
[15:02] <bambee> apparently...
[15:02] <Quintasan> Wiki is always down
[15:02] <bambee> :)
[15:02] <Quintasan> or throws 401 errors
[15:07]  * Quintasan just got a brilliant idea
[15:09]  * bambee is testing weblive... it rocks your socks !!!
[15:10] <Quintasan> yofel: Look at my ingenious idea! Problem: math exercises take a lot of space and I already I have filled over half of my 192 A4 pages. Solution: http://bit.ly/g6WXOs
[15:10] <Quintasan> Why didn't it occur to me earlier?
[15:12] <Quintasan> The most simple solutions are the best ones!
[15:14] <ScottK> Don't do your homework would be simplest.
[15:14] <ScottK> I don't recommend it though.
[15:14] <Quintasan> ScottK: I don't do any homework except for Maths and Physics
[15:15] <Quintasan> well, History sometimes but that's if I don't forget we have one.
[15:32] <yofel> ^^
[15:33] <bambee> Quintasan: another solution would be to use LaTeX :D
[15:34] <yofel> neon qt-kde rebuild triggered
[15:34] <Quintasan> bambee: >implying I can use LaTeX notation in my notebook :O
[15:34] <bambee> since LaTeX rocks and was originaly designed for maths... it can help... but... you've to write your exercises on a computer xD
[15:34] <yofel> that's overkill for homework
[15:34] <Quintasan> yofel: Thanks
[15:34]  * yofel needs to learn latex one of these days though...
[15:35] <yofel> esp. since libreoffice is getting on my nerves...
[15:35] <c2tarun> since I upgraded to kde4.6.2 my system never recovers from sleep mode. Is anyone else facing this problem?
[15:36] <Riddell> adding plasma-active to neon might be a good idea, give us something to put on http://community.kde.org/Plasma/Active/Installation
[15:36]  * jussi01 hands yofel lyx ;)
[15:38] <rbelem> hi Riddell
[15:38] <yofel> hm, worth a try I guess, thanks
[15:39] <Riddell> hi rbelem
[15:40] <rbelem> Riddell, did you see the what i said to you some hours ago?
[15:41] <Riddell> rbelem: update of plasma mobile not feasable?
[15:41] <Riddell> rbelem: that's ok, kubuntu mobile loads fine for me today
[15:41] <yofel> does plasma-mobile need kde-workspace with GLES?
[15:41] <rbelem> Riddell, ok :-)
[15:41] <yofel> and what exactly is -active?
[15:41] <rbelem> Riddell, i really would like to see it in natty
[15:42] <rbelem> :'-(
[15:42] <rbelem> yofel, i think it works whiout gles
[15:42] <Riddell> yofel: it seems to be plasma-mobile getting extended to include plasma tablet, it's on various blogs on planetkde today
[15:42] <yofel> ah, guess I should actually read my feeds these days...
[15:43] <rbelem> yofel, /j #active :-)
[15:44] <yofel> well, kde:plasma-mobile builds with neon, although we obviously won't have armel builds
[15:44] <yofel> rbelem: are you guys purposely missing a /topic ? ^^
[15:45] <rbelem> yofel, i uploaded to revu the latest snapshot of plasma-mobile
[15:46] <rbelem> yofel, hum... should i guess? :-)
[15:48] <yofel> well, if you want it I can add a neon build for it, as long as at least one person is actually going to try that
[15:48] <rbelem> yofel, i will
[15:49] <yofel> k
[15:50] <ScottK> Riddell: I'd be good with a post-beta 2 FFe for plasma-active as part of -mobile if someone can package it and see if it works.
[15:51] <rbelem> ScottK, plasma-active is the same plasma-mobile, but with some changes in qml files
[15:51] <Riddell> ScottK: rbelem tried to package it but it needs trunk kdelibs etc,
[15:51] <ScottK> OK.
[15:51] <ScottK> Ah.
[15:52] <ScottK> That's a bit problematic then.
[15:52] <ScottK> neon sounds like a great place for it
[15:52] <rbelem> ScottK, and it needs lots of backports :'( in kde-runtime and kdelibs
[15:52]  * ScottK nods
[15:53] <rbelem> ScottK, i pushed some branches caontaining the backports
[15:55] <rbelem> ScottK, if you want to try... it is working but not 100%
[15:57] <Riddell> bambee: are you/did you backport that kget fix?
[15:58] <bambee> not yet, Can I do it this evening ?
[15:58] <bambee> (for kdeplasma-addons and kdenetwork)
[15:58] <bambee> (I have imported two patches)
[15:58] <Riddell> bambee: sure, you'll need to file a bug with the debdiffs and subscribe the security team
[15:58] <bambee> ohh
[15:59] <Riddell> bambee: kdeplasma-addons doesn't need backport, just the kget issue because it's a security issue
[15:59] <bambee> Riddell: ok
[16:03] <ScottK> Riddell: kget fix is in the 4.5.5 update I pushed for maverick-proposed.
[16:04] <ScottK> (security should still fix 4.5.1 in the mean time though)
[16:04] <yofel> rbelem: plasma-mobile needs a cmake check to make sure kde-workspace is installed, currently cmake is happy without it but the build fails
[16:05] <debfx> I've already filed bug #757526 for the kget issue
[16:05] <Riddell> ScottK: you sure?  it was only committed two days ago
[16:05] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes. I added the patch myself before uploading.
[16:05] <debfx> would be great if someone prepared debdiffs for karmic-maverick
[16:06] <ScottK> Riddell: I reviewed kde svn/git for all the packages for post-4.5.5 changes we needed.
[16:06] <bambee> debfx: oh thanks :)
[16:06] <Riddell> ScottK: groovy
[16:07] <debfx> apachelogger: what do you think about adding a X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Context key to desktop files in pkg-kde-tools? that way we only need to do one lookup in kdesktopfile
[16:19] <ScottK> Riddell: That last two things I checked because I thought maybe I ought to try and get them in before beta2 (k-d-s and kubuntu-meta updates) you did on Friday.  Thanks for being a step ahead of me.
[16:24] <danimo> Quintasan, yofel: back
[16:27] <yofel> rbelem: enjoy https://code.launchpad.net/~neon/+recipe/project-neon-plasma-mobile
[16:28] <Riddell> yofel: does it build and run?
[16:29] <yofel> build: yes, run: not tested yet
[16:50] <yofel> oh right, this week is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek for those that don't know yet, starting in 10 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[16:54] <Riddell> thanks yofel, just blogged http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4406
[16:55] <danimo> Riddell: any chance we can package Qt with private headers?
[16:56] <danimo> Riddell: or package Qt Creator to ship its own private Qt?
[16:56] <Riddell> danimo: umm, doesn't that defeat the purpose of them bring private?
[16:56] <danimo> Riddell: (for neon)
[16:56] <danimo> Riddell: well, Creator needs them if you want QML tooling
[16:56] <danimo> Riddell: not a big fan either, trust me
[16:57] <danimo> Riddell: make it into an extra package if you will
[16:57] <Riddell> it does indeed.  well yes we probably could
[16:57] <Riddell> I don't have much to do with neon myself
[16:57] <Riddell> but there's a crack team of packaging ninjas who do
[16:57] <danimo> Riddell: right, my problem exactly :)
[16:59] <yofel> danimo: where are those headers?
[17:00] <yofel> danimo: we can take the discussion to #project-neon too if you want
[17:01] <rbelem> thanks yofel  :-)
[17:02] <danimo> ok :)
[18:45] <bambee> Riddell: ping, I've to use 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu2.1 for maverick right ? (and not 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu2)
[18:52] <Riddell> bambee: what's the current version?
[18:53] <Riddell> bambee: looks like current version is 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu2.1 so we need a 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu2.2
[18:53] <bambee> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork => 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu2.1
[18:53] <bambee> Riddell: ok, thanks
[19:56] <ari-tczew> hey, I just updated my natty and there is a blank panel on the top of screen :/ do you have it?
[19:56]  * ari-tczew is preparing a screenshot
[19:59] <ari-tczew> http://img853.imageshack.us/f/kde462.png/
[19:59] <ari-tczew> anybody knows how to avoid that blank panel?
[19:59] <ulysses> I just run update
[20:00] <ari-tczew> ulysses: update of what?
[20:02] <ulysses> ari-tczew: Natty
[20:02] <ari-tczew> ulysses: do you have this blank panel?
[20:02] <ulysses> I'll see in a minute, after the reboot
[20:03] <ari-tczew> yes, it was started after reboot
[20:05] <ulysses> ari-tczew: no extra panel
[20:06] <ari-tczew> :/
[20:06] <ari-tczew> ulysses: do you know how to remove it?
[20:06] <ulysses> right click, configure: panel -> remove panel?
[20:09] <ari-tczew> ulysses: it's part of desktop :/
[20:09] <ari-tczew> not stricte panel
[20:09] <ulysses> use a black tape
[20:09] <ari-tczew> in the right-up corner is Toolbox, not Panel tool box
[20:10] <ari-tczew> strange
[20:49] <bambee> OMG... I did not see harald's presentation about "Widgetcraft: The Art of Creating Plasma Widgets" ... (I totally forgot it)
[20:49] <bambee> o_O
[20:50] <bambee> s/presentation/talk/
[20:50] <kubotu> bambee: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[20:54] <c2tarun> what are virtual packages?\
[20:55] <yofel> bambee: there are logs anyway ^^
[21:04] <bambee> yofel: I know, but It's always better in live :)
[22:24] <bambee> 'night
[22:31] <Parkotron> Hello, I'm wondering who is responsible for packaging KDEGames in Kubuntu?
[22:35] <apachelogger> Parkotron: kubuntu
[22:36] <Riddell> Parkotron: we're a team
[22:37] <Parkotron> Ah. So there's no one in particular I should be bugging? :)
[22:37] <Riddell> depends if you want to bug us to accept some champaign for doing such a great job
[22:39] <apachelogger> mhhh, booze
[22:43] <yofel> kubotu: order booze for apachelogger
[22:43]  * kubotu slides booze down the bar to apachelogger
[22:46] <effie_jayx> apachelogger: that was a great talk earlier, I managed to get the code running, was lazy with my brackets being a python lova ;)
[23:20] <apachelogger> effie_jayx: cool
[23:22] <effie_jayx> I wonder what kinda apps are cool for widgets though
[23:40] <Riddell> gosh we do attract some curious users http://paste.kde.org/10857/
[23:40] <apachelogger> well
[23:40] <apachelogger> there is a pink version
[23:42] <Riddell> ooh good answer, I'll remind him about that
[23:43]  * apachelogger giggles
[23:52] <neversfelde> hehe
[23:53] <Blizzz> nice. Tragedy theme stuff rocks btw
[23:56] <Blizzz> apachelogger: neversfelde brought an idea into my mind: what about fluffy vampire edition? undying love and all that stuff, u know. wouldn't you let your DE bite you for eternal love and undead pinkness?
[23:56]  * txwikinger is tired of natty's kernel panics
[23:56]  * apachelogger finds the whole blood thing sexually appealing
[23:57] <apachelogger> Blizzz: I do not see fluffy and vampire stuff together though
[23:57] <valorie> pink is just red with white
[23:58]  * txwikinger wonders  about apachelogger
[23:58] <valorie> and swishy capes
[23:59] <valorie> and according to some second-rate twilighters, vamps are sparkley!
[23:59] <apachelogger> why is there a sailor at my door?
[23:59] <valorie> rofl
[23:59] <Blizzz> well, all young girls are about vampires, you know. and pink is their home, i guess. so why don't bring the, erm, best of both worlds together? isn't a pink canine gorgeous?
[23:59] <valorie> is he doing a strip-tease while pouring the champagne?


[11:12] <PurpZeY> Can someone help me out getting my soundcard to be a source as an input, like a mic? (a passthrough?) I had it setup in windows, but I can't seem to figure it out...Maybe I need a different mixing tool? gamix?
[11:12] <HyperCity> i'vd formatated my winzoz partition with a ext3 filesitem but now that part can be accesed only from root , how do i change that?
[11:12] <TaJMoX> Jack_Sparrow: i think on the DVD install, the cd is added as a repository so you dont need the net to add packages
[11:12] <Egalfire> hmm intersting it shouldn't ask for the cd
[11:13] <TaJMoX> !info flashplugin-nonfree | Jerome_
[11:13] <ubotu> jerome_: flashplugin-nonfree: Adobe Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>.2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 15 kB, installed size 108 kB (Only available for i386)
[11:13] <wepeel> TaJMoX: yes, I installed from the DVD because the net install wasn't working for me when I upgraded from 6.02 or whatever
[11:13] <calc> PurpZeY: sometimes (it is in my case anyway) the line in on a soundcard does not play through the speakers when you try capturing
[11:13] <TaJMoX> HyperCity: where are you mounting it to?   change the permissions of the mount directory
[11:13] <Jerome_> Tajmox: I have AMD64... any solutions?
[11:14] <SeveredCross> chroot or nsspluginwrapper?
[11:14] <PurpZeY> calc: I am not trying to capture from the line in...I used to have it setup where, if I was playing an mp3, if I was on a site that had a/v I could select my soundcard as an audiosource...so if I was listening to music, it played through, directly.
[11:14] <TaJMoX> Jerome_ there is a work-around to use the 32bit plugin - and other 32bit programs.  I saw it on the forum one day.  just google: ubuntu flash 64 bit
[11:14] <calc> PurpZeY: ok
[11:14] <TaJMoX> yes it was nspluginwrapper
[11:15] <Egalfire> use the script on the forums to get the plugin all setup its much easier
[11:15] <HyperCity> TaJMoX: i get only the disk in the computer tab under risources , then it should be mounted under /media/disk, i'vd tried umask but it seems that somthing isn't right
[11:16] <Egalfire> HyperCity - is the drive ide or sata
[11:16] <Egalfire> ?
[11:16] <TaJMoX> hypercity - try sudo chmod o+rwx /media/disk
[11:16] <kyja> dang !!
[11:16] <wepeel> Jack_Sparrow, TaJMoX , Egalfire : thanks, works now. AAppreciate the help
[11:16] <kyja> beryl is the best thing since slices peanutbutter
[11:17] <HyperCity> Egalfire: it stands /dev/sda2
[11:17] <Egalfire> ha i didn't do anything i ask more than i gave
[11:17] <kyja> I am in love with my computer all over again
[11:17] <TaJMoX> kyja : congrats
[11:17] <TaJMoX> HyperCity: sda means it's a sata drive
[11:18] <wepeel> ok, great. So the pdfs I was trying to combine give gs an error anyway
[11:18] <wepeel> sheesh, at least I got the repository things figured out
[11:18] <wepeel> anyone know a way to combine pdfs and not use gs?
[11:19] <Egalfire> HyperCity - make sure everything in fstab is ok sometimes i get errors with sata drives try to be identified as ide drives, it is very annoying
[11:19] <Egalfire> then again i have a fried raid controller
[11:19] <fblade1987> anyone know how to run code from ajunta for testing?
[11:19] <mwe> sounds bad
[11:20] <mwe> fblade1987: anjuta is buggy but it usually works
[11:20] <HyperCity> Egalfire: fstab gives me hda2 seemd strange even to me
[11:20] <rolfen> how do i make synaptic look better? i just switched from xfce to gnome and my synaptic looks ugly, the gnome theme is not applied to it
[11:20] <TaJMoX> HyperCity: try mounting it with the uid=### and gid=### options
[11:20] <fblade1987> is there any better c++ IDE
[11:21] <mwe> fblade1987: eclipse with the plugin
[11:21] <Egalfire> yea HyperCity do what TaJMoX said
[11:21] <fblade1987> what pluggin would that be?
[11:21] <Egalfire> that usually fixes the problem for me
[11:21] <TaJMoX> HyperCity: so like sudo mount -o uid=1000,gid=1000 /dev/sda2 /mnt
[11:21] <mwe> fblade1987: the c++ plugin
[11:22] <HyperCity> TaJMoX: i'm not that expert can u explain better? the chmod thing is a solution even after a reboot? or do i have to do that all over again?
[11:22] <fblade1987> mwe: is it off their website?
[11:22] <HyperCity> ah, thx
[11:22] <TaJMoX> HyperCity: it will retain permission after reboot
[11:22] <TaJMoX> HyperCity: did that work?
[11:22] <Braxis> Do I win something for having 16,120 memory errors?
[11:22] <mwe> fblade1987: yeah. don't have the URL
[11:22] <HyperCity> TaJMoX: yes , thx
[11:23] <Egalfire> HyperCity - give it a reboot just to be sure
[11:23] <HyperCity> TaJMoX: i meen the chmod thing
[11:23] <mwe> fblade1987: you add a repo and update, basically
[11:23] <TaJMoX> oh cool beans
[11:23] <fblade1987> ok thanls
[11:23] <fblade1987> thanks*
[11:23] <mwe> fblade1987: search the site
[11:23] <TaJMoX> hypercity - so to make all files and folders read/writeable for all users you can do sudo chmod -R o+rwx /media/disk
[11:24] <TaJMoX> HyperCity: or you can do chown -R user:user /media/disk
[11:24] <TaJMoX> to make you the owner
[11:24] <osmosis> how do I add routes to  /etc/network/interfaces ?
[11:25] <mwe> osmosis: I don't think you add routes to the interfaces file
[11:25] <mwe> osmosis: what do you need to do?
[11:25] <HyperCity> TaJMoX: thx , i'l go for the reboot
[11:25] <TaJMoX> osmosis: have you tried 'man interfaces'
[11:26] <mwe> the interfaces file is not ment for routes
[11:26] <mwe> except gateway and stuff
[11:27] <osmosis> mwe: Right now I have two default gateways...which is not a valid setup.
[11:27] <mwe> osmosis: well you should only have one
[11:27] <osmosis> osmosis: i need one default gateway, and then just specific routes going to the second nic.
[11:28] <mwe> osmosis: I'm not sure I understand your setup
[11:28] <scottDkoDer> Does anyone know if any other company is selling computers with ubuntu installed by default, or is it just dell?
[11:29] <Egalfire> as far as i know its just dell at the moment
[11:29] <Egalfire> it sux i know
[11:29] <scottDkoDer> I think dell is causing a big wave for linux. Not sure if it's good or bad yet though. Hi all btw
[11:29] <TaJMoX> hi
[11:29] <TaJMoX> scottDkoDer: #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:29] <scottDkoDer> ok
[11:30] <TaJMoX> I love my dell laptop - 2 years later they're selling the same one with ubuntu as an option =[   and i paid the extra 200 bucks for windoze just to throw the cd away
[11:30] <TaJMoX> ups
[11:30] <Egalfire> lol
[11:30] <TaJMoX> wrong tab =]
[11:30] <mwe> dell ...
[11:31] <mwe> I'd never get a dell
[11:32] <lufis> dell isn't so bad. i have yet to see any other major computer manufacturer actually take linux seriously on the desktop
[11:32] <mwe> lufis: well that's a good point though maybe only the only point
[11:34] <mo0osah> Dell got the best warranty.... and best bang for the buck.... i wouldn't buy anything but dell if i have the option
[11:34] <mwe> I see
[11:34] <lufis> honestly, there's nothing wrong with dell :p
[11:34] <mwe> and they support linux and all so crappy hardware is not to mention
[11:34] <gravemind> hey can someone help me change the controls of snes9x so I can play chrono trigger?
[11:35] <mwe> shhh
[11:35] <gravemind> In windows when I change L R and A to the 'a' button on the keyboard it works
[11:35] <wepeel> is there a way to allow other users of this computer access to a folder in my home directory but not allow them to view any other folders or files in my home directory?
[11:35] <gravemind> however, the same thing in linux doesn't work
[11:36] <lufis> wepeel: you could set the permissions on the folder to be viewable by them and set the rest to non-readable by anyone but you
[11:36] <mwe> wepeel: make the folder group accisble be a group
[11:36] <lufis> wepeel: if you're using gnome, it can be done graphically from nautilus
[11:36] <mwe> wepeel: make the folder world readabe/writeable by that group and make them member of the group
[11:38] <gravemind> can anyone help me? (See question above)
[11:39] <lufis> gravemind: it's a keyboard?
[11:39] <mwe> gravemind: I don't quite understand
[11:39] <lufis> :p
[11:40] <floriakir2> today i got a new pc (both old and new one are fujitsu siemens) and i put my old hard drive into the new comp. at first ubuntu seems to boot fine, but then there's an x-server error ("no screens found"). could anyone please tell me how to fix this?
[11:40] <wepeel> ok, thanks again
[11:41] <mwe> floriakir2: pastebin /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[11:41] <panfist> floriakir2: you need to edit your xorg.conf file
[11:42] <panfist> hello, im trying to install ubuntu on a laptop w/o any removable storage, i've got it to boot via PXE and start installing, but it keeps freezing sometime after I select the distro, at 6% of "Select and install software." I'm following this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Netboot?action=show&redirect=PXEInstall
[11:43] <floriakir2> xorg.conf:
[11:43] <floriakir2> Section "Files"
[11:43] <floriakir2> 	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/misc"
[11:43] <floriakir2> 	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
[11:43] <floriakir2> 	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
[11:43] <floriakir2> 	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
[11:43] <mr_daniel> with pppoeconf it is very comfortable to set-up a DSL-connection. It is also possible to set-up a internet connection on start-up, BUT how to deactivate the automatic connection at start-up?
[11:44] <SirTane> hi
[11:44] <SirTane> a program i use is trying to use the alt key
[11:44] <rolfen> help! all apps that i run as root (gksudy) have an ugly gray skin
[11:44] <SirTane> but because alt+click means something in ubuntu (i think, i'm very new with anything other than mac)
[11:45] <SirTane> it is interfering with what the program is trying to do
[11:45] <E101> is there a way to see the scripts that automatix is running?
[11:45] <SirTane> is there a way to change it so that alt isn't assigned anyth8ing?
[11:46] <E101> i want to make my own script to do some of what automatix does... is there a way i can see what it is executing when it installs things?
[11:46] <mwe> rolfen: install gtk-theme-switch then run 'gksudo switch2'
[11:46] <lufis> SirTane: in gnome, system -> preferences -> keyboard shortcuts
[11:46] <mwe> rolfen: the theme for root is taking precedence
[11:47] <rolfen> thanks mwe
[11:47] <mwe> !automatix
[11:47] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[11:47] <E101> i agree mwe.. thats why i want to make my own custom script
[11:47] <E101> wanted to see what was inside of it
[11:47] <jrib> E101: it's a python script, just open it in a text editor
[11:47] <lufis> SirTane: or try system > preferences > keyboard > layout options
[11:47] <E101> i tried, but i dont see anything useful
[11:48] <SirTane> lufis: then what?
[11:48] <E101> i am looking for the commands it uses, such as apt-get xxxx
[11:48] <lufis> SirTane: then find the appropriate setting and change it?
[11:48] <jrib> E101: everything it does is there, try #automatix if it's not clear how it's doing what it does
[11:48] <askand> Why isnt ubuntu remembering how big my windows are?
[11:48] <E101> ok thank you
[11:48] <mwe> askand: gnome
[11:49] <lufis> mwe: does it matter what the terminology is? he said ubuntu, not kununtu... ubuntu uses gnome anyway
[11:49] <lufis> kubuntu
[11:49] <mwe> I see
[11:49] <mwe> so ubunte means gnome
[11:50] <lufis> no... but it's a trivial detail :p
[11:50] <SirTane> i still can't find what i need to change sot hat alt isn't assigned anything
[11:50] <mwe> well the answer is a gnome short coming
[11:50] <SirTane> this would be so much easier on windows or mac os x
[11:50] <Jamesinator> The sun-java6-jre / sun-java6-plugin packages fail to play sound in some applets
[11:50] <jrib> SirTane: is it moving your window when you press alt and drag the mouse?
[11:50] <_Lucretia_> another hang!
[11:50] <SirTane> i thought that linux could do this kind of stuff
[11:50] <mwe> oh I mean ubuntu short coming
[11:51] <SirTane> jrib: yes it is
[11:51] <rjek> I assume I'm not the first to ask, but is Launchpad down?
[11:51] <askand> mwe: hrm yes..sorry..why isnt gnome remembering how big my windows are?
[11:51] <jrib> SirTane: system -> preferences -> windows  I think
[11:51] <E101> jrib, in /usr/lib/automatix2 there are only a bunch of python files but none have the commands that download from the repositories... is there another directory?
[11:51] <SirTane> thanks mate
[11:51] <mwe> askand: I don't know it doesn't
[11:51] <E101> err, i think i found it.
[11:52] <jrib> E101: dpkg -L automatix  will tell you *everything* it installed
[11:52] <E101> tnx
[11:52] <mwe> auch
[11:52] <younghacker> Good Afternoon (Morning or Night) I recently found that i have a broken software index and i would like to know how to go about fixing this...
[11:52] <SirTane> it's still not responding to alt+click
[11:52] <panfist> hello, im trying to install ubuntu on a laptop w/o any removable storage, i've got it to boot via PXE and start installing, but it keeps freezing sometime after I select the distro, at 6% of "Select and install software." I'm following this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Netboot?action=show&redirect=PXEInstall
[11:52] <mwe> younghacker: software index?
[11:52] <younghacker> yes thats what the error message says...
[11:53] <mwe> younghacker: like list of installed things?
[11:53] <mwe> younghacker: error message from what?
[11:53] <Matir> panfist, does the system freeze, or just the installer?
[11:53] <CheesyMonkey> panfist, It stayed at 6% for me for about 25 minutes :)
[11:53] <younghacker> mwe: I'll tell you now
[11:53] <panfist> yeah you know what i just glanced over at it, and now its at 23%
[11:54] <Matir> lol
[11:54] <panfist> its been over 45 minutes
[11:54] <Matir> it might transfer all the packages before running the installer or something
[11:54] <mwe> panfist: so wait a few days ;)
[11:54] <younghacker> mwe: I tried to install an XML editor, before the package finished installing it gave a message that it required some dependancies
[11:54] <panfist> when it said "please wait" it was being serious...
[11:54] <mwe> younghacker: yes
[11:54] <younghacker> mwe: i went to install the dependancies and thats when the messages started
[11:54] <mwe> younghacker: I see
[11:54] <panfist> is there any way i can submit a suggestion so that the installer gives some indication that it's doing something?
[11:55] <younghacker> mwe:  so it was kind of two fold
[11:55] <panfist> the hdd light was not flashing or anything
[11:55] <mwe> younghacker: yeah
[11:55] <jrib> panfist: bugs.ubuntu.com
[11:55] <panfist> ok
[11:55] <younghacker> mwe: the next thing that happend was there was an update icon
[11:55] <younghacker> as i try to update i get the error message that i have a broken software index
[11:56] <mwe> younghacker: oh. try open a term and type 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' and pastebin any errors
[11:56] <younghacker> aok
[11:56] <younghacker> lol i mean ok
[11:56] <askand> Hrm when I press ctrl+alt+f2 I get a newsession?
[11:56] <mwe> younghacker: right
[11:57] <somian> Error "/proc/net/rpc/nfs4.nametoid/channel"  errno 2 (No such file or directory)
[11:57] <somian> This is on the nfs client.
[11:57] <somian> What's wrong that would cause this error?
[11:57] <elpargo> any has a 100% CPU when playing some files in totem?
[11:58] <mwe> elpargo: odd
[11:58] <Music_Shuffle> elpargo, not I.
[11:58] <elpargo> mwe, is that a yes?
[11:58] <Cubey> argh. now i have no sound
[11:58] <younghacker> ok i have the error message from dist-upgrade can you post the link for pastebin for me?
[11:58] <somian> Is a kernel module not being loaded?
[11:59] <mwe> somian: what is giving that error?
[11:59] <elpargo> I get it with most avi files and some mpeg, weird enough if the window is very small the CPU usage is not that high
[11:59] <somian> rpc.idmapd (written to daemon.log)
[11:59] <mwe> !paste | younghacker
[11:59] <ubotu> younghacker: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:59] <younghacker> it was apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:59] <mwe> younghacker: so paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[12:00] <askand> Why isnt gnome remembering my windows sizes?
[12:00] <younghacker> ok
[12:00] <mwe> askand: because gnome sucks
[12:00] <Cubey> well i managed to get partial sound back. i can get the test sound to work in gnome's sound setting but not the login/logout sounds
[12:00] <osxdude|desktop> I'm finally regestered!
[12:00] <sunnypies> wheres the best place to learn how to build web apps anyone?


[08:44] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:56] <davmor2> Morning brobostigon and morning all
[08:58] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[10:47] <foobarry> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-41095162 Customer data stolen at Cex online games store
[10:48] <foobarry> The company said the stolen data included customers' names, addresses, email addresses, phone numbers and some old credit card information"
[10:48] <foobarry> :|
[11:03] <popey> oh dear
[11:03] <zmoylan-pi> people all over irc will be panicing...
[11:05] <foobarry> i popped into the CEX in weymouth and that stank of wee too. seems they all do
[11:06] <foobarry> its like they've rounded up characters from GTA and put them in the shop
[11:06] <zmoylan-pi> wee or weed? suspect a lot of nicked games get sold off there...
[11:06] <foobarry> wee
[11:06] <foobarry> urine
[11:06] <popey> one near me doesn't smell
[11:06] <popey> pretty clean and tidy
[11:06] <foobarry> :o
[11:06] <foobarry> the enfield one closed down, replaced by another similar shop
[11:06] <popey> there are two in fact and never thought they smelled.
[11:07] <zmoylan-pi> very new? not broken in yet? :-)
[11:07] <foobarry> the last time i was in enfield one, it smelt like someone had crapped themselves
[11:07] <foobarry> and always a simpsons comic book guy near the till with plastic bags loitering
[11:08] <zmoylan-pi> used to do software for video shops. one of them opened tanning salons as video market dried up.  people used to use tanning booths as bathroom constantly...
[11:09] <foobarry> ewww
[11:09] <zmoylan-pi> ...and you had to be a member to use them... so they knew who used it...
[11:10] <Seeker`> why would you do that?!
[11:10] <popey> People are horrible
[11:10] <popey> It turns out
[11:10] <Seeker`> :O
[11:11] <zmoylan-pi> speculation was that they didn't want to leave booth disturbing their tanning but max tanning time was only a few minutes...
[11:11] <Seeker`> we need popey for president, he'll sort them out
[11:11] <popey> \o/ I understood that reference
[11:12] <Seeker`> \o/
[11:13] <Seeker`> popey: http://handbag.popey.com/ why is that screenshot there?
[11:14] <popey> becuse my web config is broken
[11:16] <Seeker`> aww. Poor web config.
[11:18] <foobarry> lets make britain great again
[11:18] <Seeker`> popey: how's things? not spoken to you in aaaaaaaaages
[11:19] <popey> very good as it goes :)
[11:28] <Seeker`> :D
[11:36] <foobarry> who is using solus in here, was it SuperMatt ?
[11:37] <diplo> he is, as am I foobarry
[11:37] <diplo> Along with about 5 other distros in different places
[11:39] <SuperMatt> o/
[11:39] <SuperMatt> Anything you'd like to know?
[11:52] <foobarry> i tried it on my laptop after elementary upgrade made it cook
[11:55] <foobarry> seems a lot better
[11:56] <foobarry> i'm nervous about using a system that has limited packages
[11:57] <foobarry> and away from the ubuntu ecosystem
[11:57] <popey> ikey is good at adding new packages if you request them
[11:57] <foobarry> i won't use it for my work laptop but mighton my home one
[11:57] <popey> he's probably been asked for whatever it is you probably need
[11:58] <SuperMatt> I was worried about lack of packages, then I realised I only really need firefox, owncloud and keepass for my day to day laptopping
[11:58] <foobarry> on my work laptop i might tend to use a lot of scientific stuff or obscure packages, plus enterprisey stuff to support vmware
[13:09] <diplo> It's very easy to get packages in as popey said, good reasoning and not a dead package and he'll add it, not limited by pacakages really anymore I don't think, not had any that I've needed not be available so fa
[13:12] <foobarry> budgie has improved a lot
[13:12] <foobarry> workflow a bit lacking though vs elementary
[13:12] <diplo> I like Budgie, I was running ubuntu budgie before
[13:12] <foobarry> alt-tab sucks, and no expose view
[13:12] <diplo> andy@asuras ~/Downloads $ eopkg la | grep -v dbginfo | wc -l
[13:12] <diplo> 5402
[13:12] <diplo> Packages ^^
[13:13] <diplo> Yep, alt-tab is being worked on currently I think
[13:14] <foobarry> i would require plank etc too
[13:14] <diplo> andy@asuras ~/Downloads $ eopkg sr plank
[13:14] <diplo> plank           - Simple application dock
[13:30] <foobarry> yep, i just meant that budgie seemed a bit lacking in simple workflow. e.g. the dock doesn't combine multiple instances of an app etc
[13:30] <foobarry> it's likely i'll try it for proper on a home laptop
[13:31] <foobarry> not sure what they did to elementary WM but it makes my fans spin up doing anything. tried powertop and tlp etc too
[14:00]  * diddledan attempting to snap a game
[14:21] <foobarry> i should probably look into snaps at some pt as i build containers at work regularly
[15:38] <popey> diddledan: lemme know if you need a tester, i have nvidia and intel :)
[15:38] <diddledan> roger that
[15:39] <diddledan> I'm just working on getting the desktop entries sorted right now
[15:40] <diddledan> annoyingly I cannot get SNAPCRAFT_CONTAINER_BUILDS to work reliably at all
[15:40] <diddledan> it works once after a reboot and then never again until I reboot again
[15:41] <diddledan> cleanbuild works every time so it's not lxd being a **ck
[15:50] <diddledan> name registered.
[16:15] <diddledan> ok, popey, popester, popesicle, the build service is running. and there's an AMD64 build that I manually uploaded (number 1 in the store - the automatic builds will be subsequent to 1 when they're built) - sudo snap install --edge openra
[16:15] <popey> yay
[16:18] <popey> diddledan: does it have sound?
[16:18] <diddledan> should do, once you're in-game
[16:19] <popey> no, my bad
[16:19] <popey> its fine
[16:19] <diddledan> :-)
[16:20] <popey> works perfick on intel laptop
[16:20] <popey> diddledan: works on nvidia laptop too!
[16:21] <popey> nice one! :D
[16:30] <diddledan> I haven't got the "load content from disc" working yet. I've added the mount-observe plug but snappy-debug.scanlog still tells me to add it
[16:32] <diddledan> these are the relevant denials https://paste.ubuntu.com/25432959/
[16:32] <diddledan> and these are the plugs: https://paste.ubuntu.com/25432961/
[16:34] <diddledan> anywho, I'm just leaving to go parentals. bbl
[17:39] <zmoylan-pi> he's probably gone to fix a tiny computer problem.... he may be some time... :-P
[18:19] <DJones> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-41095606 A malware researcher has discovered a spamming operation that has been drawing on a list of 711.5 million email addresses..... Click here to check if you've been affected.....Doh!
[18:22] <DJones> Despite being reported on by BBC, I wonder how many people (with a reasonable amount of brain cells) wouldclick the link and put theiremail address in
[18:39] <penguin42> 50M of which will be out of date, 100M that never worked in the first place, 60M to the same person, 100M target a small perl script somewhere that has no interest in viagra, woodwork or free lighters
[19:45] <diddledan> even ink
[20:06] <zmoylan-pi> well the street value of inkjet ink is serious money these days... :-)
[23:26] <daftykins> Palm is being revived!?
[23:26] <daftykins> cor la
[23:35] <zmoylan-pi> i'm hmmming and hawing about getting a palm iiixe... :-)
[23:36] <diddledan> Really?  Who owns the name these days?
[23:36] <flexiondotorg> diddledan: Thanks for the irccloud snap 😃
[23:36] <zmoylan-pi> 3com bought them, then they were sold to hp i think. then they broke it up and sold the os such as it was to a japanese company
[23:37] <zmoylan-pi> and were going to use the hardware technology in taking over the mobile phone market... real soon now :-)
[23:37] <diddledan> flexiondotorg: you're very welcome 😁
[23:38] <diddledan> Gotta decide what to snap next...
[23:39] <diddledan> OpenRA is working but can't copy assets from official game discs yet
[23:40] <zmoylan-pi> please say there's an email program called crackle that works via pop... :-P
[23:40] <diddledan> Lol
[23:42] <diddledan> Maybe I should find another game
[23:42] <zmoylan-pi> ....or a text editor... :-P
[23:43] <zmoylan-pi> does no one maintain a wishlist of program they wish to see processed?
[23:44] <diddledan> Popey put one together a while back


[04:21] <Omnifrog> 23 bucks for the batery. not bad
[04:23] <Omnifrog> used to be it would have been close to 100
[04:23] <Omnifrog> cha cha cha cha changes