[02:36] <lundmar> Hi. I would like to distribute my GTK4 application via snap but I don't see any snapcraft core images supporting gtk4?
[13:59] <lundmar> Hi. I want to distribute my GTK4 application via snap but I don't see any snapcraft images supporting GTK4 yet? :(
[14:57] <ogra_> you will have to build it from source or use a 20.04 PPA that provides GTK4 ...
[14:58] <ogra_> also note that canonical shuts down from christmas to new year ... you are better off using the forum during this time frame
[14:58] <ogra_> (see channel topic)
[15:07] <lundmar> I was hoping for a gtk4 ppa for Ubuntu 20.04 but I can't find any :/


[05:29] <COYOTE> hey all. Quick question.
[05:30] <COYOTE> Are you still developing ubuntu mate for new world macs?
[06:11] <ouroumov> COYOTE, new macs are using x86 processors afaik, so yes.
[06:25] <COYOTE> Sorry by new world macs I mean the classical sense. PowerPC G3, G4, G5
[06:26] <ouroumov> COYOTE, so no. There is no longer PPC versions of Ubuntu MATE starting from 17.04
[06:26] <COYOTE> Thank you for the info
[06:26] <COYOTE> Very sad to hear it tho
[06:27] <COYOTE> I was about to turn a dual 1.4ghz PowerPC G4 into a firewall, services box
[06:27] <COYOTE> Thought I could use ubuntu-mate for the long term
[06:28] <COYOTE> Looking like there's no one left making a modern ppc distro
[06:30] <ouroumov> If it's for this kind of setup, you can use Ubuntu Server 16.04 which will be supported until 2021
[06:31] <ouroumov> That said, on this kind of timeframe I don't see the point in using such a power-hungry machine
[06:31] <ouroumov> You'd be better off with a Zotac box
[06:31] <COYOTE> Oh that's good to know. Thank you!
[06:32] <COYOTE> Yeah you're right about the overkill nature of it. But I already have the hardware.
[06:33] <ouroumov> COYOTE, https://www.zotac.com/us/product/mini_pcs/ci327-nano
[06:33] <ouroumov> Dual Gigabyte Ethernet
[06:34] <COYOTE> Yeah that's a nice little box.
[06:34] <COYOTE> Thanks for the help!
[06:35] <ouroumov> yw
[07:11] <kuntal> how to install conky in UM 16.04?
[12:22] <vishal92> hi.
[12:24] <ouroumov> hello vishal92
[12:24] <vishal92> im running ubuntu on my hp notebook now,the problem is power manage.when i use battery every things is good and i have not cpu temp or fan speed problems,but in ac mode there are! now how can i apply same battery mode power manage in ac mode?
[12:25] <vishal92> ubuntu mate 16.4.2
[12:26] <ouroumov> vishal92, use the power management settings in System -> Preferences -> Hardware -> Power management
[12:27] <vishal92> i mean advanced kernel power managment! cpu temp. and fan speed.
[12:33] <vishal92> ؟
[14:19] <henanmaqiang1> hello
[14:20] <Jack_Sparrow__> Hello, Welcome to Ubuntu Mate
[18:04] <Nosophorus> hello, guys!
[18:05] <Nosophorus> Guys, my Ubuntu MATE 16.04 is having a problem just after starting up.
[18:06] <Nosophorus> When I press ALT+F2 to launch an app and start to type, I don't why the text box doesn't gets any text and the text box just freezes.
[18:06] <Nosophorus> When I press ALT+F2 to launch an app and start to type, I don't know why the text box doesn't gets any text and the text box just freezes.
[18:07] <Nosophorus> Any clue to solve this problem? :-)
[19:17] <AtSchool> le paquet php5 n'a pas de version susceptible d'être installée
[19:21] <KTrad> Quelle version d'Ubuntu-MATE?
[19:24] <KTrad> https://askubuntu.com/questions/756181/installing-php-5-6-on-xenial-16-04
[19:24] <KTrad> J'espère que ça aide.
[19:26] <KTrad> Je serai de retour plus tard. :)
[20:33] <ultimaq> Can some one on here help me out? i have a question about installing ubuntu mate on an Acer C710
[20:33] <ultimaq> my trackpad is not being registered or even seen
[20:33] <ultimaq> i dont know what to do
[20:34] <Jack_Sparrow__> lsusb sees nothing ?
[20:35] <ultimaq> not that i can see
[20:39] <ultimaq> Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0461:4d22 Primax Electronics, Ltd
[20:39] <ultimaq> Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
[20:39] <ultimaq> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[20:39] <ultimaq> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 064e:d251 Suyin Corp.
[20:39] <ultimaq> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 04ca:3006 Lite-On Technology Corp.
[20:39] <ultimaq> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
[20:39] <ultimaq> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[20:39] <ultimaq> thats all that gets printed
[20:40] <Jack_Sparrow__> Are you running an external usb hub / splitter?
[20:42] <ultimaq> nope just an external mouse
[20:42] <ultimaq> keyboard is working albeit with out any of the function keys working (brightness, volume, etc.)
[20:44] <ultimaq> everyone keeps saying that the current kernel should give working functionality with the mouse without multitouch
[20:44] <ultimaq> (running LTS 16.04)
[20:46] <Jack_Sparrow__> I run 4.5
[20:46] <Jack_Sparrow__> thats 4.4 ?
[20:53] <Menzador> We have a quitter :(
[20:53] <Menzador> Either way, it doesn't seem the USB mouse is detected
[20:53] <Menzador> The C710 is a Chromebook, btw.
[20:59] <Jack_Sparrow__> !ppa
[21:13] <stevecook172001> Does anyone here have any experience of successfully implementing pnp ltsp on ubuntu mate 16.04?
[21:32] <Jack_Sparrow__> !password
[22:42] <guest> You know what, I had so much frustration emulating Raspberry Pi CPU in QEMU. There is a "Libvirt Qemu" account on my login screen, even after I removed and purged qemu. I went to amazon and ordered a Raspberry Pi Zero W


[07:27] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[11:51]  * SuperEngineer won't be around for a wee while. He diappears tomorrow morning for a trip to British Royal Infirmary.  If op survived, will be back soonish.  If mot, see y'all on the other side. soon. if not
[11:53] <SuperEngineer> [I told my own planets leaders that forcing one of us into an Earth body wasn't going to work. Did they believe me? Nah!
[11:56] <brobostigon> good luck, :), may the penguin gods be with you,
[12:00] <SuperEngineer> ;-)
[12:00] <brobostigon> :)
[12:33] <diddledan> these corporeal vessels are too fragile
[12:33] <diddledan> SuperEngineer: you need an upgrade
[12:34] <diddledan> http://pa1.narvii.com/6395/c93ce5526bc3dd020b363cd6a259a5052546165b_hq.gif
[12:40] <brobostigon> :)
[13:02] <Duncan_> edge
[13:03] <SuperEngineer> diddledan: upgrade was already tried.... failed, even after reboot
[13:03] <diddledan> dang
[13:48] <brobostigon> anyone recognise the following error, please, https://pastebin.com/P8hdiaBF
[16:05] <diddledan> norks :-( https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/04/world/asia/north-korea-missile-test-icbm.html
[16:06] <daftykins> amazing Team America haven't stepped up yet
[16:06]  * diddledan sings the themetune
[16:06] <diddledan> UH MERRICA. DUCK YEAH!
[16:07] <daftykins> \o/
[16:07] <daftykins> pretty blown away by this, i called up the telco about fixing the mounting of that ancient box of phone lines on the front of my house
[16:08] <daftykins> couple of guys came out the same day, and now want to dig up the road and lay fresh copper entirely
[16:08] <diddledan> wat
[16:08] <diddledan> that's a bit of overkill for a box dangling off the wall. although new copper will probably mean better speed of broadband sync
[16:09] <daftykins> yeah might be, doubt i'll see too much more - think i'm already 700m away they say so my line stats are about 55/25
[16:09] <daftykins> 60/10 is the service i pay for though
[16:09] <diddledan> aah
[16:09] <diddledan> fairly close to spec then
[16:10] <daftykins> what's weird is when i was on 40/5, i could use the upnpc package to query the old router that was using ATM, which showed me sync of 52 and 25
[16:10] <daftykins> yet when i moved to the 60/10 service it kept creeping up and eventually claimed 58Mb
[16:11] <arsenip> hoe hum, looks like openvz (in proxmox 3.x) doesn't support modern systemd = time to queue up a vmhost rebuild.
[16:11] <daftykins> you could tell it couldn't handle it though, downloads would mostly try to ramp up TCP sliding window style to ~5.7MB/sec then drop back off again repeatedly
[16:11] <arsenip> thus arsen can't have any modern centos7/ubuntu containers :(
[16:11] <daftykins> aww
[16:11] <daftykins> but arsensen likes new things!
[16:12] <diddledan> see, I can't read arsenip as arsen ip. I always see it as arse nip
[16:12] <arsenip> to be fair - on my personal box i want UBER_LTS stability, so i dont have to rebuild stuff very often.
[16:12] <arsenip> it's arsen, which was transformed to parsenip for jokes, then dropped the -p
[16:13] <arsenip> and someone owns 'arsen' on freenode :)
[16:13]  * diddledan nips arsenip 's arse
[16:13] <daftykins> d'aww
[16:16] <arsenip> anyway. cue 3 hours rebuilding VMs pointlessly, giving up and reverting to centos6 (final)
[16:16] <daftykins> anyone struggle with clients that needlessly keep a billion browser tabs open? :)
[16:16] <arsenip> maybe i should just rent another VPS and build in parallel, and flip DNS, like i would with any real production system.
[16:16] <diddledan> esxi
[16:17] <arsenip> yeah i was considering it, diddledan
[16:17] <arsenip> proxmox is like... crap.
[16:17] <daftykins> that's what i do with my domestic VMs too, only swap DNS for port forwards to IPs :>
[16:17] <diddledan> I'm running an esxi here in my living room - means I keep my toes toasty :-0p
[16:17] <diddledan> :-p
[16:18] <arsenip> ive got an initscript for natting my vz containers
[16:18] <diddledan> I really should move it into my back room
[16:18] <daftykins> diddledan: did y'see the super cheap 10GigE cards that've appeared?
[16:18] <diddledan> daftykins: no?
[16:18] <arsenip> oddly i have no server at home at all anymore - probably the closest thing is my crappy raspberry pi.
[16:18] <diddledan> show me!
[16:18] <daftykins> if it weren't for the switch element still, it's becoming more sane
[16:18] <arsenip> if you want a 10gig card just let me know :p
[16:18] <daftykins> or more feasible i should say
[16:18] <daftykins> arsenip: o rly
[16:19] <daftykins> would it be some crazy power hungry thing though? :P
[16:19] <arsenip> yes likely.
[16:19] <arsenip> :D
[16:19] <daftykins> XD
[16:19] <arsenip> and SFP too
[16:19] <daftykins> http://www.anandtech.com/show/11598/asus-launches-xgc100c-10-gbe-adapter-aquantia-aqc107-99
[16:19] <arsenip> but im sure  i could find spares.
[16:20] <diddledan> I got an intel X520 for ~£50
[16:20] <diddledan> ebay ftw
[16:20] <daftykins> be interesting to see how power consumption compares
[16:20] <arsenip> *apparently* virgin have 'gifted' me 300mb at home
[16:20] <arsenip> so i may now get 100mb, i guess.
[16:21] <daftykins> o0 not getting what they claim, huh?
[16:21] <arsenip> indeed. super high usage in my area
[16:21] <daftykins> arsenip: wealthy client fella has just bought a place in Brompton Park Crescent, where Hyperoptic appear to be installing :D
[16:21] <arsenip> massively oversubscribed - i *think* the 300meg upgrades mean they upgraded the backhaul so should be better overall  (and faster)
[16:21] <daftykins> not far from that fancy pad he had last time
[16:22] <arsenip> ah i know where that is
[16:22] <arsenip> just behind farm lane, nice restaurant there
[16:22] <arsenip> or was, when i went there last
[16:22] <arsenip> 5 years ago :D
[16:22] <daftykins> we shall have to have a fine meal when i make it over next, then
[16:22] <daftykins> although he's gonna gut it as usual from October afaik
[16:22] <daftykins> seems to hate walls when he buys places ;)
[16:23] <arsenip> i wonder if a modern raspberry pi with two USB 2.5" hdds would make a nice backup solution.
[16:23] <daftykins> no.
[16:24] <daftykins> they suck for IO :)
[16:24] <arsenip> nightly remote backups tho - nps
[16:24] <daftykins> although after an initial copy i suppose not too bad
[16:24] <daftykins> but if you rsync'd, haha
[16:24] <arsenip> wana somehow mirror them, but probably not raid
[16:24] <arsenip> basically generate two @home copies of my remote server data
[16:24] <daftykins> think you'd be better off buying a Synology DS216j
[16:25] <arsenip> i like the idea of unplugging a usb drive and whacking it in my bag - then having all of my data
[16:25] <daftykins> they double as VPN endpoints for office shared resource access for some of my clients \o/
[16:29] <arsenip> tbh with a couple of massive drives i could be much lazier about backups - just do entire disk rsyncs :D
[17:10] <Azelphur> well this is fun
[17:12] <daftykins> what've you broken today? :)
[17:12] <Azelphur> I had a good credit rating, I applied for a joint bank account with my gf, and an account for my to receive my (USD) salary, turns out I get charged high exchange fees, so I tried to apply for barclays
[17:12] <Azelphur> and that was the end of my credit rating, apparently, because I applied for 3 banks in a row.
[17:13] <daftykins> mmm can imagine how that would be a red flag
[17:14] <Azelphur> yea, but to have that put me from "Perfectly good, no missed payments on anything ever, and no debt" to "Nope you can't even open a bank account"... wow -_-
[17:14] <daftykins> how've you gotten paid in the past to avoid fees etc?
[17:15] <Azelphur> Paypal, boss paid all fees
[17:15] <Azelphur> boss wants to switch to bank transfer for obvious reasons
[17:17] <daftykins> i get burnt doing some jobs for some guys in Austria sometimes, ask for a reall small payment and see half of it go on the bank fees - ugh
[17:21] <daftykins> *really
[17:21] <Azelphur> indeed, I'm loosing about £150/mo to this :(
[17:22] <daftykins> suuuuurely it worked out better before :<
[17:37] <arsenip> sadly that's how it works Azelphur - has it actually affected you though?
[17:38] <arsenip> most institutions dont actually rely solely on the rating - they'll look at individual cases iwth their own metrics (if your numbers all say you're a good candidate and the only downside according to <arbitary number generated by a company who sells said number as their main profit stream> then you'll probs be fine)
[20:44] <awilkins> Have updated to 17.04 from 16.04
[20:45] <awilkins> Nautilus has no "Create Folder" option any more.
[20:45] <awilkins> ARRRRRGH
[20:45] <zmoylan-pi> ctrl-shift-n?
[20:46] <awilkins> Yes, that works.... it's just impossible to find in a folder in list view mode with more files than a scrollbar's worth
[20:46] <awilkins> On the context menu, I mena
[20:46] <awilkins> It's not in the "File" menu either
[20:47] <daftykins> cool kids stay on LTS (:
[20:47] <awilkins> You have to click in empty space with no files in to get the context menu item.
[20:47] <zmoylan-pi> menus are so last decade... you're supposed to discover the features now in hidden hotspots that you click...
[20:48] <awilkins> Which is annoying in a camera upload filder with 1,079 photos in it
[20:48] <awilkins> Arrgh
[20:48] <awilkins> And now your phone doesn't count as a Nautilus window even though it is one
[20:48] <zmoylan-pi> go to software installer search for midnight commander...
[20:49] <awilkins> Which means you can't alt-` to it from the window you want to copy your photos to

[20:49] <zmoylan-pi> i have found myself installing alternative file managers on more distros recently...
[20:57] <daftykins> i'll be taking a young lady over to Sark in a little over a week, here's it from near my place - http://i.imgur.com/kstqRKQ.jpg
[20:58] <daftykins> just found an amusing old program on it :D https://youtu.be/0yCccWcFbXw
[21:02] <zmoylan-pi> i remember reading of a tourist who got a bit lost in germany using a 60+ year old tourist guide
[21:03] <diddledan> should have asked the tourist guide whether they knew their way around
[21:03] <diddledan> mind you at 60+ they might have had alzeimers
[21:05] <zmoylan-pi> it was a printed guide...
[21:13] <brobostigon> maybe they should have used hitchhikers guide to the galaxy, which douglas adams started to write hitchiking in germany. :)
[21:17] <zmoylan-pi> the original version which listed earth as 'harmless' or the updated version which said 'mostly harmless'?
[21:19] <brobostigon> well, as far as the whole universe is concerned, we the earth, are 'mostly harmless' to the rest of the universe, which is very very big, mind'boggingly big'
[21:19] <zmoylan-pi> it did take me over an hour to walk back from the chemist...
[21:24] <daftykins> cor
[21:24] <daftykins> what's that distance measured in Guernseys?
[21:25] <zmoylan-pi> no idea but definitely one full metals...


[11:09] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
 tag everyone.
 Is anyone testing focal on a laptop with ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad?  Touchpad is not working in both kubuntu and Ubuntu.  I tried the daily download for both *buntu's with same result.
 sudo /usr/bin/libinput list-devices sees the touchpad so I am not sure if this a libinput issue or something else.  Booting back to 19.10 and Neon, touchpad works fine so not sure how to file this bug.
 touchpad is working fine on another laptop using live boot (
 the working touchpad is synaptics...
 Appears to be a kernel issue as per this link: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=251208
[16:35] <santa_> good afternoon everybody
[16:35] <santa_> RikMills: so ... I think I'm going to release what we have in KA's git master as 2.3 rc1 as we discussed yesterday
[16:36] <santa_> I'm pretty sure 2.2 no longer works after latest changes in KDE's tarballs/git + it's ridiculously obsolete now
[16:36] <santa_> so I think it would be nice to release 2.3 as stable version soon


[03:10] <gateSmalls> 	hello i need help getting a mac book pro 15.5 in laptop to boot to an ex tunnel drive (1tb) with ubuntu server 11.10 64bit using eather a usb or a firewire port
[03:12] <gateSmalls> >.>
[03:12] <gateSmalls> <.<
[03:16] <seidos> gateSmalls: oh!  you're here already
[03:16] <gateSmalls> yep
[03:17] <seidos> gateSmalls: someone asked earlier about getting ubuntu installed on a macbook pro
[03:17] <gateSmalls> realy
[03:17] <seidos> after some chatting it seemed bootcamp was the focal point of the solution
[03:17] <gateSmalls> realy
[03:17] <gateSmalls> never used boot camp
[03:18] <seidos> me neither
[03:18] <seidos> i had a macbook pro once though
[03:18] <seidos> and i read the wikipedia article on it
[03:19] <seidos> !mac | gateSmalls
[03:19] <gateSmalls> i have boot camp assistant will that work ?
[03:19] <ubot2> gateSmalls: For help on installing and using Ubuntu on a mac, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MactelSupportTeam/CommunityHelpPages
[03:19] <seidos> there's also this factoid, i haven't read it though
[03:19]  * seidos clicks
[03:19] <seidos> cool logo
[03:21] <seidos> gateSmalls: i think they are the same thing
[03:22] <seidos> gateSmalls: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boot_Camp_(software)
[03:24] <seidos> hope it helps
[03:30] <gateSmalls> not realy helping it tells me for the desktop vs not the server one
[03:31] <gateSmalls> as for the boot_camp its not as sown
[03:34] <seidos> i'm not familiar with sown
[03:35] <seidos> since i don't have the hardware, and have never done it, all i can do is search the web and have an open ear, sorry i can't be more help gateSmalls
[03:36] <seidos> you could also try the forums and check with your LoCo as well
[05:05] <Ford_P> Having problems with my Ethernet card... Anyone know anything about that?
[05:07] <holstein> Ford_P: potentially... just ask, and if someone knows they will answer
[05:07] <Ford_P> additional question.. On the computer with no internet access I need to install Build-Essential and I'm not able to do that because it requires 8 package upgrades. How can I make the needed upgrades?
[05:08] <Ford_P> while not having access to the web
[05:09] <Ford_P> Laptop is a Asus K53E and it's a Atheros AR8151 card. I need to load the driver.
[05:10] <holstein> Ford_P: you can download the .debs and move them over
[05:10] <Ford_P> I've been following the instructions here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1677122 till I got stuck
[05:10] <Ford_P> Oh maybe I should just do that then......
[05:10] <Ford_P> how do I know that I've met all the dependencies?
[05:11] <Ford_P> where can I get the .deb files?
[05:11] <holstein> Ford_P: it should let you know if you havent
[05:11] <holstein> you can only get deb files if they are availalbe
[05:11] <Ford_P> ok
[05:12] <holstein> you can just search for them
[05:12] <holstein> http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[05:12] <Ford_P> For example it's asking for ver. 4-3-3 gtk
[05:12] <Ford_P> ok cool I'll try that
[05:13] <Ford_P> Thanks
[05:13] <holstein> Ford_P: you cant wire it up temporarily?
[05:14] <Ford_P> nope
[05:14] <JackyAlcine> How do you add another location for libraries to be loaded by an application?
[05:14] <Ford_P> I ran lshw -C network
[05:14] <Ford_P> *-network UNCLAIMED
[05:15] <Ford_P> for both wired and wifi
[05:15] <JackyAlcine> I know that adding PATH="$PATH:~/usr/bin" would add my local ~/usr/bin to run apps, but libraries don't work for that...
[05:15] <holstein> Ford_P: wired should just work
[05:16] <Ford_P> I could try it again.
[05:16] <Ford_P> so basically there is an auto detect feature??
[05:16] <holstein> JackyAlcine: wish i could help...
[05:16] <holstein> Ford_P: depends on your network
[05:17] <Ford_P> if a wired connection works then that's half the battle right there
[05:17] <holstein> i have DHCP... when i plug it into my router, it just works
[05:17] <holstein> then, i can apply upates, and try wifi again, and fiddle from there if needed
[05:17] <JackyAlcine> Ford_P: do you have Synaptic on your system? If so, find the packages you want to install and then in the file menu, click "Generate download package script".
[05:18] <holstein> JackyAlcine: i forget about that!
[05:18] <holstein> thats pretty slick
[05:18] <JackyAlcine> You can copy that to a usb stick, invoke it on another system (or manually open and download with Notepad) and wham-o.
[05:18] <JackyAlcine> holstein: :P
[05:18] <Ford_P> Yes it's on my system. I tried that and it's saying i need to install 8 packages
[05:18] <holstein> Ford_P: personally, i would try 10.04 live as well.. and go with that if it works out-of-the-box
[05:19]  * holstein gotta run...
[05:19] <Ford_P> thanks
[05:20] <JackyAlcine> Ford_P: did you add those packages to Synaptic or wanted to manually installed them by double-clicking?
[05:20] <JackyAlcine> If you add them to Synaptic, it'd tell you what else you need and you could repeat the process until the dependencies are resolved.
[05:20] <Ford_P> so I'm looking at it now using Synaptic
[05:21] <Ford_P> otherwise I was going to download each package manually
[05:21] <Ford_P> http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/
[05:22] <JackyAlcine> Hmm. Did you generate the script?
[05:23] <JackyAlcine> After selecting the packages, click the File menu then click "Generate package download Script"
[05:23] <Ford_P> ohh sorry no network access
[05:23] <Ford_P> can't download
[05:23] <Ford_P> well I'm using a 2nd computer which I will manually download each package
[05:24] <Ford_P> or
[05:24] <Ford_P> the 2nd computer I'm using the newer version.
[05:24] <Ford_P> 11.xx
[05:25] <JackyAlcine> No problem, just generate the script _then_ copy it to the other computer.
[05:25] <Ford_P> the other computer is 10.04. Also one computer is 32bit and the other is 64 bit. Would that be a problem?
[05:25] <JackyAlcine> No, because the architecture (32-bit, 64-bit) would be hard-written into the download path.
[05:25] <Ford_P> sorry.. by generate script what are you referring to.
[05:26] <Ford_P> in the terminal?
[05:26] <Ford_P> just want to make sure I understand
[05:27] <JackyAlcine> In Synaptic.
[05:27] <JackyAlcine> After you've selected the package "build-ess", it should tell you it needs a few more.
[05:27] <JackyAlcine> click ok and then when you're satisified, click "File" then "Generate Package download script"
[05:28] <Ford_P> so the computer I'm using already has it installed. So I'm assuming I can copy the packages to a usb drive and install them on the computer that needs them??
[05:30] <JackyAlcine> Yup.
[05:30] <JackyAlcine> The thing is, after you've downloaded them, make sure that they're in their own folder.
[05:31] <Ford_P> each package in it's own folder.
[05:31] <Ford_P> ok
[05:32] <JackyAlcine> No! lol, all of the packages in one folder.
[05:32] <Ford_P> ahh gotcha
[05:33] <JackyAlcine> :D Tell me when you've made the script.
[05:35] <Ford_P> so I ran the "Generate package download script"
[05:36] <JackyAlcine> the 2nd computer?
[05:36] <JackyAlcine> on the 2nd computer?
[05:36] <Ford_P> on the computer that needs the packages
[05:36] <JackyAlcine> You should have seen a bunch of download actions by wget.
[05:37] <Ford_P> I have a file in the folder called build-essential
[05:39] <JackyAlcine> Wait, so you've generated the script via Synaptic?
[05:39] <Ford_P> let me review.
[05:39] <Ford_P> to keep things organized
[05:39] <Ford_P> I'll call computer 1 the computer that needs packages
[05:40] <Ford_P> computer 2 providing packages
[05:40] <Ford_P> so I created the script on computer 2 and saved it to a usb drive
[05:41] <Ford_P> is this correct?
[05:43] <Ford_P> so we should be ready to go then
[05:44] <JackyAlcine> YEah
[05:44] <JackyAlcine> *yeah
[05:44] <JackyAlcine> sorry went to the bathroom.
[05:44] <Ford_P> run in terminal?
[05:44] <Ford_P> np
[05:48] <Ford_P> so I'm guessing I need to move the file from the usb drive to a folder on computer 2.
[05:48] <Ford_P> sorry computer 1
[05:48] <Ford_P> and run
[05:50] <JackyAlcine> Yeah
[05:50] <JackyAlcine> Well, it'd be easier if you could run in while having it still on the drive.
[05:51] <JackyAlcine> So you wouldn't have to copy anything.
[05:52] <Ford_P> so I clicked Run
[05:52] <Ford_P> what do I do then?
[05:55] <JackyAlcine> clicked run? the script's something you'd have to run in a terminal.
[05:55] <JackyAlcine> You mean from a context menu?
[05:55] <Ford_P> when I click on the file it asks how to run it
[05:56] <Ford_P> so I clicked Run
[05:57] <JackyAlcine> Hmm, check your home directory ("~/"), the packages may have been downloaded there since you didn't use a terminal.
[05:58] <Ford_P> I checked the file and it only had #!/bin/sh and nothing else
[06:00] <JackyAlcine> O.o
[06:01] <JackyAlcine> You have Synaptic opened on computer 2? or computer 1
[06:02] <Ford_P> yeah on both
[06:04] <JackyAlcine> Only need it on computer 1.
[06:04] <Ford_P> yep
[06:05] <Ford_P> wonder if I can get it on the packages site
[06:06] <JackyAlcine> You can, but Synaptic would pull in all of the dependencies.
[06:07] <Ford_P> that's one of the problems with all the dependencies. It's a huge web of dependencies you have to track down.
[06:07] <Ford_P> take forever
[06:10] <Ford_P> thanks for the help. I'll keep picking away at this.
[07:05] <zkriesse> hello anybody :P
[07:10] <OutOfControl> Hi zkriesse
[07:10] <zkriesse> allo!
[07:11] <zkriesse> how thee be OutOfControl ?
[07:12] <OutOfControl> Yeah
[07:13] <zkriesse> Uhm, that was akin to a: "How are you?"
[07:14] <zkriesse> allo sattu941 !
[07:14] <sattu941> zkriesse: Hi! :D
[07:14] <zkriesse> How thee be sattu941 ?
[07:15] <sattu941> zkriesse: I be fine, how thy bee ?
[07:15] <zkriesse> Lol, you messed up just a tinge there...
[07:15]  * sattu941 sucks at whatever he is doing now.
[07:15] <zkriesse> It's Old English and no, you did not suck, you just need some practice!
[07:15] <sattu941> zkriesse: Yes, maybe I do.
[07:16] <zkriesse> :P
[07:16] <hobgoblin> no in this channel though
[07:16] <hobgoblin> *not
[07:17] <sattu941> hm.
[07:17] <sattu941> We need more beginners here.
[07:17] <zkriesse> hobgoblin: Well apparently the #ubuntu-beginners-team channel is only for the bt team now...
[07:17] <hobgoblin> no it's not
[07:17] <zkriesse> According to bodhi_zazen anyway
[07:17] <sattu941> bt team ?
[07:17] <zkriesse> sattu941: This channel and other #ubuntu-beginners- channels are under the Ubuntu Beginners Team :)
[07:18] <sattu941> oh.
[07:18] <hobgoblin> well it is for the beginners team but the BT is not as it was - regardless this is not a channel for chit-chat
[07:18] <zkriesse> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam
[07:19] <zkriesse> wb zeroseven0183
[07:19] <zeroseven0183> :-)
[07:20] <sattu941> Anyway I set up ssh with key based authentication yesterday, and also set up free DDNS with no-ip.org, I'm pretty happy about it :).
[07:20] <zkriesse> rad
[07:21] <sattu941> try ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-p 24
[07:21] <zkriesse> no thanks :P
[07:22] <sattu941> :P
[07:22] <sattu941> Will probably write a review for the noip2 package in Software Center soon.
[07:24] <zkriesse> Ah... the fun-ness of tech review/writing
[14:43] <ameer_ahmad> Hi.,


[02:00] <anarkhein> hi
[02:01] <sydney> anarkhein: Hello :)
[02:02] <anarkhein> is there some basic way to adjust the screen brightness in lubuntu? it's the first time im checking it out, and my impression is pretty damn good so far. getting the wifi working was easy as soon as i found my way to the right configuration window
[02:05] <sydney> anarkhein: the power manager?
[02:06] <anarkhein> ok, i have looked at it already, but not extensively
[02:07] <sydney> anarkhein: or the fn+brightness key on your keyboard ;)
[02:07] <sydney> anarkhein: your on a laptop right?
[02:08] <anarkhein> netbook
[02:08] <phillw> anarkhein: a lot depends on if your bios / FN key combination can talk talk natively
[02:08] <sydney> anarkhein: it *should* work ;)
[02:08] <anarkhein> brightness is mentioned in power manager, but only as part of a solution to handle idleness it seems
[02:08] <phillw> if not, you need to use key bindings
[02:09] <anarkhein> in windows it's Fn and either right or left arrow
[02:09] <anarkhein> ahh, same in lubuntu. how convenient
[02:10] <phillw> anarkhein: binded okay?
[02:10] <anarkhein> of course it would be. looking at the symbols on the keys
[02:10] <phillw> we do try :P
[02:10] <phillw> but for some, it does not work
[02:10] <anarkhein> yeah
[02:11] <anarkhein> ok, so no touchpad issues, networking seems unproblematic and brightness just adjusted. this is promising. normally there tends to be at least one hassle with the distros i try
[02:12] <anarkhein> maybe the problem is that ive tried too many extremely lightweight distros
[02:12] <phillw> anarkhein: ahhh.. then install 14.10 :P
[02:12] <phillw> that'll really mess your head up... chromium browser works
[02:13] <anarkhein> yes i think ill try that soon. lubuntu should be given a chance against windows xp, which has become quite shaky lately
[02:13] <anarkhein> wait, i lied... im using 14.04
[02:13] <phillw> anarkhein: we are the replacement, one of the reasons we have only done bug fixes
[02:15] <anarkhein> lubuntu/14.04/desktop/i386... apart from the version number, is there a better choice for an acer netbook?
[02:15] <phillw> anarkhein: 14.10 is the bug fix for 14.04 :) To fix something in 14.04, it has to be proven to work in 14.10 and then be put into that system... Have a play with 14.10, it's nice :)
[02:15] <anarkhein> it says "desktop"...
[02:15] <anarkhein> what bug
[02:16] <phillw> any bug... the autostart bug is now relased, but iBus and Chromium had a fight
[02:17] <anarkhein> autostart bug?
[02:20] <phillw> anarkhein: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu#Update_for_Lubuntu_14.04.1
[02:21] <anarkhein> partition resize bug
[02:21] <phillw> anarkhein: bug 1308348
[02:21] <anarkhein> alt f2...what is that?
[02:22] <phillw> anarkhein: it was a part of work around for a rather annoying bug.
[02:22] <sydney> anarkhein: run a program
[02:22] <anarkhein> ok
[02:23] <phillw> I'm in the minority, but.. for lubuntu... get 14.10
[02:24] <phillw> 14.10 is a bug fix for lubuntu 14.04
[02:25] <sydney> phillw: i think they fixed the missing network manager in 14.04.1. it hasnt been missing lately ;)
[02:26] <phillw> sydney: it got in the update (by the skin of it's teeth).
[02:26] <anarkhein> there is Network as well as Network Connections here
[02:26] <sydney> phillw:  :P
[02:26] <anarkhein> the latter in preferences, the former in System Tools
[02:26] <phillw> sydney: chromium and ibus will not happen until 14.04.2
[02:27] <anarkhein> im still only running 14.04 from the usb
[02:27] <sydney> I tried to try ubuntu 14.10,but it wouldnt boot :'(
[02:27] <anarkhein> maybe i should wipe it already and put 14.10 on it. or install 14.04 on hd  and do an upgrade from within?
[02:28] <anarkhein> or just use 14.04 until i stumble upon problems
[02:28] <phillw> sydney: I have been running 14.10 as production since alpha1
[02:28] <anarkhein> "as production"?
[02:28] <sydney> anarkhein: i would stick with 14.04 for now :P
[02:28] <phillw> yup.
[02:28] <anarkhein> meaning...?
[02:29] <anarkhein> sydney: ok
[02:29] <sydney> anarkhein: he uses 14.10 like he would any other computer.
[02:30] <phillw> it is the only way we can find bugs that are not in test cases, I guess it depends on how you trust your backups and how you trust the head of dev for lubuntu. I happen to trust the boss and have /home on a seperate partition....
[02:31] <anarkhein> sydney: that he just prefers 14.10? yea allright
[02:32] <sydney> I ran ubuntu 14.04.1 on my moms computer from the live cd today. First of all,the cd readed so slow that it took like 10mins compared to mine which is 5. Also,the screen had moving waves in it? :-/
[02:32] <phillw> sydney: without having backups, do not run 14.10... but 14.10 is a bug fix for 14.04. So, like with every thing else... learn to take backups :D
[02:32] <sydney> anarkhein: yeah,he likes it. ;) Just like i like 14.04 ;)
[02:32] <sydney> phillw: i know,i backup all the time :P
[02:33] <phillw> sydney: the LiveCD is to show does it run, it is not an OS. If you want that venture, use a usb stick :)
[02:33] <anarkhein> what exactly lasted 5/10 mins?
[02:33] <anarkhein> surely not the boot process?
[02:33] <sydney> the booting from the live cd.
[02:33] <anarkhein> o
[02:33] <sydney> yes
[02:34] <anarkhein> then i probably shouldnt complain about my usb
[02:34] <sydney> a flashdrive is alot faster,but her pc is like 10 years and and doesnt have that option :P
[02:34] <anarkhein> and better will it become when i install it on the hd
[02:35] <sydney> yes,esspecially if its a ssd. ;)
[02:35] <anarkhein> more like 15 years old maybe?
[02:35] <sydney> ive neve tried one though...
[02:35] <sydney> maybe :P
[02:35] <phillw> anarkhein: WOW, Yoda we have on the channel
[02:36] <sydney> my main pc is 8 years old...
[02:36] <sydney> 1gig of ram,running ubuntu gnome.... lubuntu dual booting....
[02:37] <sydney> i dont understand why my moms graphics card causes waves... there are no proprietary drivers either :-/
[02:38] <phillw> anarkhein: yes, it will much happier once upon the computer you have installed lubuntu. Choices, you have..... Install 14.04.1 which has been tested, of 14.10 which is the source of testing :D
[02:39] <sydney> IMO i like lts's. ;)
[02:39] <anarkhein> allright
[02:39] <anarkhein> thanks for the input
[02:39] <anarkhein> back later
[02:40] <phillw> sydney: then you would use 14.04.1
[02:40] <sydney> yep,i am :P
[02:41] <phillw> the force is strong within you, resist the dark side of windows you must :)
[02:41] <sydney> and 12.04.5(?) on my other install...
[02:42] <sydney> dual boot...
[02:42] <sydney> :P sure :P
[02:43] <phillw> sydney:  I have a win2008vm for a student, but he also has admin on ubuntu server and centos server :)
[02:43] <sydney> even though Ive been using Linux for only 9 months,i have seen the good and bad in it. same with windows. ;) I prefer Linux over windows though. i can do and fix almost anything in Linux. ;)
[02:44] <phillw> sydney: you'd get on well with JasonO
[02:44] <sydney> phillw: whos he?
[02:46] <phillw> A trainee sysadmin... good thing about a trainee sysadmin?..... toroture him.... :)
[02:46] <sydney> phillw: :P
[02:51] <sydney> phillw: i know more than some people who have *tried* linux. ;) :P
[02:51] <sydney> phillw: i like ot learn ;)
[02:51] <sydney> phillw: i dont know how to write programs yet though...
[13:22] <cancer> hi
[13:23] <phillw> !ask | cancer
[13:23] <cancer> !lubuntu
[13:24] <phillw> !offtopic
[13:24] <phillw> we have lubuntu-offtopic :)
[13:25] <cancer> phillw | ok, tnx. : )
[13:27] <phillw> cancer: accept the invite :)
[13:27] <cancer> phillw | i didn't get it. i'll join incase needed. : )
[13:28] <phillw> cancer: /j #lubuntu-offtopic
[13:28] <cancer> phillw | so, can i ask question regarding any linux ditro. actually i'm looking for small size linux and want to install from within the window. any suggestion.
[13:29] <phillw> !wubi
[13:30] <cancer> yep, i once used wubi for ubuntu.... so, i can install any linux distro with wubi.
[13:30] <phillw> cancer: Wubi, is no longer supported, so installing linux 'within' windows is not reccomended.
[13:31] <phillw> what is advised is to shrink your windows install and then make a new partition.
[13:32] <cancer> phillw | i'm sorry, i'm not good with english. basic reason now for me to install linux is for my smartphone device. i'm having some issues with windows while generating ADB commands. for that i want to try linux.
[13:32] <phillw> cancer: what version of windows are you running?
[13:33] <cancer> still winXP.
[13:33] <phillw> cancer: and what country are you in / native language?
[13:34] <cancer> so, i'm searching for small size linux which support my device too. and drivers for my device are difficult to found. somehow i have some for winxp
[13:34] <cancer> it's ok, not that bad with english. :p. hope, i'm understood able.
[13:35] <phillw> cancer: which country are you in, it may help better if you talk to someone who knows smart phones and speaks your language :)
[13:36] <cancer> Pakistan.
[13:37] <phillw> cancer: head to http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-pk/ and ask there. If you do not get a good response, do come back and ask me again.
[13:38] <cancer> tnx.
[13:44] <cancer>
[14:02] <phillw> wb cancer are you chatting to people on the .pk area?
[14:03] <cancer> phillw | no. i was searching something. sorry. was disconnected too.
[14:05] <phillw> cancer: no need to apologise, in that time i have done some looking up for you.. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PakistanTeam
[14:06] <cancer> thanks, they don't seems to have IRC channel!
[14:09] <phillw> cancer: they do, but you have to make contact first.. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PakistanTeam#Contact
[14:10] <Man101> Why is not skype in the softwarecenter ? how can i install skype ?
[14:10] <phillw> !skype | Man101
[14:11] <phillw> Man101: skype is not a ubuntu application
[14:11] <Man101> You dont recommend skype on lubuntu ?
[14:12] <phillw> I use it fine
[14:12] <yz3pD> activate canoncials package source and then you can install skype
[14:12] <cancer> yep agree, skype work well on linux.
[14:12] <Man101> it is many programs vlc and other are they lubuntu apliaction ?
[14:12] <yz3pD> yes
[14:13] <yz3pD> the name of the repository for skype is "Canoncial-Partner"
[14:14] <Man101> It is looking complicatd to use terminal.. sometimes nothing happens and i mess up they system.
[14:16] <phillw> Man101: (L)ubuntu can only ship pure f/oss stuff. If there are cavaerts in stuff not being GPL, we simply cannot ship as default. These companies want you to sign up for an EULA
[14:19] <cancer>  phillw | thanks for help. gtg now.
[14:51] <Piggybear87> Ok. I push the power button to turn on my machine. It hangs and I get a gray screen with a flashing dash " - ", I push and hold the power button to power off, I push it again to power on and I get a menu with options, I select recovery mode, I select the kernel I want, I hit enter and it starts up. This happens every time I boot up. It takes about 5 minutes to boot because of it. Any ideas?
[14:54] <phillw> Piggybear87: you need to remove the broken kernel
[14:54] <Piggybear87> What do you mean by that? I'm fairly new to Linux.
[14:55] <phillw> I need to know the output of these from terminal
[14:55] <phillw> uname -a
[14:55] <phillw> and
[14:55] <phillw> ls/ boot
[14:55] <phillw> Piggybear87: Menu --> Accessories --> LXTerminal
[14:56] <Piggybear87> Linux piggybear87-pc 3.13.0-32-generic #57-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jul 15 03:51:12 UTC 2014 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
[14:56] <Piggybear87> bash: ls/: No such file or directory
[14:56] <Piggybear87> abi-3.13.0-29-generic         memtest86+.bin
[14:56] <Piggybear87> abi-3.13.0-30-generic         memtest86+.elf
[14:56] <Piggybear87> abi-3.13.0-32-generic         memtest86+_multiboot.bin
[14:56] <Piggybear87> config-3.13.0-29-generic      System.map-3.13.0-29-generic
[14:56] <Piggybear87> config-3.13.0-30-generic      System.map-3.13.0-30-generic
[14:56] <Piggybear87> config-3.13.0-32-generic      System.map-3.13.0-32-generic
[14:56] <Piggybear87> grub                          vmlinuz-3.13.0-29-generic
[14:57] <Piggybear87> initrd.img-3.13.0-29-generic  vmlinuz-3.13.0-30-generic
[14:57] <phillw> Piggybear87: sorry...
[14:57] <phillw> ls /boot
[14:57] <Piggybear87> initrd.img-3.13.0-30-generic  vmlinuz-3.13.0-32-generic
[14:57] <Piggybear87> initrd.img-3.13.0-32-generic
[14:58] <Piggybear87> I just want to be able to push the power button to start... Lol.
[14:59] <phillw> Piggybear87: do this in the terminal
[14:59] <phillw> sudo update-grub
[15:00] <phillw> you are running the most recent kernel, so it is just grub not picking it up when you turn on your machine
[15:00] <yz3pD> is there a difference between update-grub and update-grub2
[15:00] <Piggybear87> So now when I reboot it should work?
[15:01] <phillw> Piggybear87: did it report any errors?
[15:01] <Piggybear87> Generating grub configuration file ...
[15:01] <Piggybear87> Warning: Setting GRUB_TIMEOUT to a non-zero value when GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT is set is no longer supported.
[15:01] <Piggybear87> Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-32-generic
[15:01] <Piggybear87> Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-32-generic
[15:01] <Piggybear87> Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-30-generic
[15:01] <Piggybear87> Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-30-generic
[15:01] <Piggybear87> Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-29-generic
[15:01] <Piggybear87> Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-29-generic
[15:01] <Piggybear87> Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.elf
[15:01] <Piggybear87> Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.bin
[15:01] <Piggybear87> done
[15:02] <phillw> !paste | Piggybear87
[15:02] <Piggybear87> Sorry...
[15:02] <phillw> however, boot the little critter and report back.
[15:03] <Piggybear87> 10-4. Be right back.
[15:03] <phillw> yz3pD: I think for grub2 it is aliased back to grub
[15:04] <yz3pD> so both does the same?
[15:05] <phillw> should do,
[15:05] <phillw> phillw@piglet:~$ sudo update-grub
[15:05] <phillw> runs fine on my system
[15:06] <Piggybear87> phillw, Nope, same thing.
[15:06] <phillw> Piggybear87: hmmm...
[15:08] <Piggybear87> It comes to options, I select "advanced options" and do the newest kernel (recovery mode).
[15:08] <phillw> Piggybear87: this is going to get dirty... do you have a 2nd computer or the install disk handy?
[15:08] <Piggybear87> No.
[15:10] <phillw> Piggybear87: I'd prefer not to do a full re-install of grub as you have no way to get back in touch. Whilst the instructions *should* work, there is always a chance of them not doing so.
[15:10] <Piggybear87> I re-installed 3 times...
[15:10] <phillw> Piggybear87: where did you install from?
[15:11] <Piggybear87> A disk I got from a friend and he needed it back.
[15:11] <Piggybear87> One sec.
[15:12] <phillw> I strongly think you have corruption in the system, this is not good and makes solving it harder
[15:16] <Piggybear87> Ok, back (Mom call....)
[15:18] <Piggybear87> This only started happening when I installed my vid card. It works great except the recovery mode thing..
[15:18] <phillw> Piggybear87: what I'm about to suggest will make grub use the kernel, but 1st I would prefer we have a clean kernel installed, which will ask grub to re-do things
[15:19] <Piggybear87> Maybe I have to sacrifice my game for a working machine, huh?
[15:20] <phillw> Piggybear87: you have not got a poorly kernel, you may have a poorly grub. Please follow this http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=35
[15:20] <phillw> ahh... Piggybear87 cancel that
[15:20] <phillw> you do not have a boot disk
[15:20] <Piggybear87> Own site, nice. Let me read though.
[15:21] <phillw> you need a boot CD / USB for that.
[15:21] <phillw> let's try it via a forced grub re-install.
[15:21] <Piggybear87> Will I loose anything?
[15:22] <phillw> nothing, or everything
[15:22] <phillw> (16:10:10) phillw: Piggybear87: I'd prefer not to do a full re-install of grub as you have no way to get back in touch. Whilst the instructions *should* work, there is always a chance of them not doing so.
[15:23] <Piggybear87> Lol. I have some things I don't want to loose...
[15:23] <phillw> Piggybear87: then arrange to have a cd with lubuntu on it.
[15:24] <Piggybear87> If I go that route, I won't loose anything?
[15:24] <phillw> nope, the live CD can keep everything, backup stuff etc.
[15:24] <Piggybear87> Will you be on for a while?
[15:25] <phillw> a few hours
[15:25] <Piggybear87> Ok, let me make a few calls, or use my friends PC to download a burn a new copy.
[15:25] <Piggybear87> and burn*
[15:27] <phillw> okies. burn at slowest speed possible.
[15:27] <Piggybear87> Alright. Be back in a bit.
[16:03] <indn1234> hey, anyone here?
[16:03] <rafaellaguna> lots of people :D
[16:03] <wxl> !ask | indn1234
[16:03] <indn1234> !patience
[16:04] <wxl> indn1234: tl;dr whatcha want?
[16:04] <indn1234> thanks wxl, I keep forgetting this :p
[16:09] <indn1234_> wxl: you still here? I got disconnected. Could you copy/paste the answer, if one was posted?
[16:10] <phillw> !patience | indn1234_
[16:10] <indn1234_> phillw: allright allright, I know. I am pateint -_-
[16:11] <indn1234_> patient*
[16:11] <phillw> however, we do try to answer when we have looked up for a question we're not familiar with.
[16:12] <phillw> It's very annoying when you spend 5 minutes looking up an issue, then they have logged out.
[16:12] <Piggybear87> Ok, he's on his way, should be abot 10 minutes, phillw.
[16:12] <Piggybear87> About*
[16:13] <phillw> Piggybear87: I was not referring to you :)
[16:13] <Piggybear87> I know :) I was just letting you know.
[16:14] <indn1234_> phillw: I am sorry about it. I told him I was going to be afk faw.
[16:17] <phillw> indn1234_: no need to apologise, we're all volunteers on here :)
[16:18] <indn1234_> phillw: all the more reason to apologize I believe. If I were paying you to answer me, I would feel less guilt over logging out 5 min after asking something.
[16:18] <phillw> indn1234_: nah... we'd just kick & ban you :P
[16:19] <indn1234_> phillw: that's harsh. But unavoidable as well.
[16:19] <indn1234_> Ooh question, what is the difference between a kick and a ban?
[16:20] <indn1234_> And don't give me a live answer :p
[16:20] <phillw> accept the invite
[16:20] <indn1234_> what invite?
[16:21] <phillw> indn1234_ do this...     /j #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:22] <indn1234_> phillw: gotcha ;)
[16:22] <phillw> oops...
[16:22] <phillw> make that /j #lubuntu-offtopic
[16:23] <Piggybear87> Multiple channel problems....
[16:24] <phillw> Piggybear87: you think you have problems? :D
[16:25] <Piggybear87> No, I was saying you. Too many channels, can't keep track of them all. :P
[16:30] <wxl> indn1234: what did i miss?
[16:31] <indn1234> wxl: nothing, I was just feeling a lil guilt over logging out after asking my question, w/o responding to the answers. But phillw erased my guilt.
[16:31] <wxl> indn1234: well i had a meeting to go to so i missed the whole thing. if you need anything else, let me know.
[16:32] <indn1234> wxl: so yeah, no apologies if you took the time to answer my question and not get a response in return ;p
[16:32] <indn1234> wxl: ah, leave it now. Google is helping me out )
[16:32] <indn1234> :-)
[16:32] <wxl> indn1234: okies, well let me know if you get stuck.
[16:43] <indn1234> wxl: sure thing kind Sir.
[16:44] <Piggybear87> OK, phillw, I;m ready. As ready as I will ever be anyway...
[16:46] <phillw> okies, have you got a boot CD?
[16:47] <Piggybear87> I have a fresh Lubuntu disk.
[16:49] <phillw> Piggybear87: okies, do the following...
[16:49] <phillw> 1) boot with that disk
[16:49] <phillw> 2) at boot time ask it to self test
[16:49] <phillw> 3) shutdown and remove disk
[16:49] <phillw> 4) boot into hard drive
[16:49] <phillw> 5) poke me when it is all done.
[16:49] <Piggybear87> Explain number 2 please.
[16:50] <wxl> Piggybear87: when it boots up there's a menu. it will be pretty obvious.
[16:50] <Piggybear87> Memtest?
[16:50] <phillw> Piggybear87: no, self tst
[16:50] <Piggybear87> Ok, I will see it.
[16:50] <Piggybear87> Be back.
[16:57] <phillw> wb Piggybear87
[16:57] <Piggybear87> phillw, I can't even use a live disk, it does the same thing...
[16:58] <phillw> Piggybear87: when the live disk boots, it gives an option to check the install media. This needs to be done.
[16:58] <Piggybear87> I didn't see that option.
[16:59] <Piggybear87> I saw "try without installing", "test memory", etc.
[16:59] <wxl> Piggybear87: http://docs.theqvd.com/images/Lubuntu_Install.png
[16:59] <wxl> "Check disc for defects"
[16:59] <Piggybear87> OH! Ok!!
[16:59]  * Piggybear87 is an idiot...
[17:00] <wxl> no worries
[17:00] <Piggybear87> Be back.... again....
[17:00] <phillw> wxl: thanks,... I'd got to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCD
[17:01] <phillw> wxl: if you can, look after this guy.... I'm about to watch a 'help' for a lady who took on 5 of her best friends kids to join with their own...
[17:01] <wxl> np phillw
[17:02] <phillw> oh, shit... th husband died of a massive brain hamorrage
[17:08] <indn1234> are there LTS version for Lubuntu just like Ubuntu?
[17:08] <wxl> indn1234: yes 14.04 is an LTS Lubuntu
[17:09] <wxl> indn1234: the only thing is the timing is a bit different
[17:09] <Piggybear87> Nope.....
[17:09] <wxl> i wonder if this explains…
[17:09] <indn1234> wxl: how long is it supported
[17:09] <indn1234> *will it be
[17:09] <wxl> Piggybear87: nope as in what was the actual result?
[17:09] <wxl> !lts
[17:09] <wxl> hold on
[17:09] <Piggybear87> A black screen with nothing on it.
[17:10] <wxl> i believe we use the old system… 3 years, indn1234
[17:10] <wxl> Piggybear87: cursor blinking at the top left?
[17:10] <Piggybear87> No, but that happens when I normally boot, except it's a dash or underscore.
[17:11] <wxl> Piggybear87: did you check the md5?
[17:11] <wxl> Piggybear87: and to be clear you can't even get to the boot menu?
[17:11] <wxl> indn1234: that being said, ask away
[17:11] <Piggybear87> You understand I'm a fairly new Linux user, correct. Lol, I don't know what a md5 is.
[17:12] <Piggybear87> Ok,(1) I get to the blinking cursor.
[17:12] <wxl> Piggybear87: well, that's not a linux question, really.
[17:12] <wxl> !md5 | Piggybear87
[17:12] <wxl> make sure to check the md5 against the published values and then check the actual media against that
[17:12] <indn1234> So here goes..
[17:12] <indn1234> is there a difference in the system requirements/performance in A (ubuntu 14.04 LTS with LXDE desktop on top) and B (complete Lubuntu) ?
[17:12] <wxl> also i'd suggest using dd or unetbootin to burn your image, Piggybear87
[17:13] <Piggybear87> (2)I force restart (hold the power button down.
[17:13] <wxl> indn1234: yes. unless you remove all of the ubuntu stuff.
[17:14] <Piggybear87> (3)it boots to a menu (ubuntu, recovery, memtest, memtest serial console)
[17:14] <wxl> indn1234: i mean they pull packages from the same repos. you could install ubuntu-core and build up an lxde system to your liking. which could potentially be lighter than lubuntu, but it would take a fair amount of work :)
[17:14] <Piggybear87> (4) I select recovery
[17:14] <wxl> Piggybear87: there's no option to check the media?
[17:14] <Piggybear87> (5) I select the top kernel that adds recover mode
[17:14] <Piggybear87> No.
[17:15] <indn1234> wxl: and which of the Ubuntu default apps would you consider the most memory/CPU hungry? Aside from the default audio and video players?
[17:15] <wxl> Piggybear87: recovery's not what you want per se. check the md5.
[17:15] <wxl> indn1234: well, the audio system for one is a big one.
[17:15] <Piggybear87> (6) blue background I select "resume"
[17:15] <Piggybear87> (7)I click "OK)
[17:15] <Piggybear87> (8) I'm up and renning.
[17:16] <indn1234> wxl: aside from the audio and video players, I said.
[17:16] <Piggybear87> Recovery is the ONLY way I can boot.
[17:16] <wxl> indn1234: well again i'm trying to be clear i'm talking about the audio SYSTEM not the audio PLAYER
[17:16] <wxl> Piggybear87: check the md5 and we'll take the next step. if you have one bit of the entire iso wrong, you could run into weird problems like this.
[17:16] <indn1234> wxl: I don't know how those 2 differ.
[17:17] <Piggybear87> How do I do that?
[17:17] <wxl> indn1234: ubuntu uses pulse on top of alsa. we just use alsa.
[17:17] <wxl> !md5 | Piggybear87
[17:17]  * wxl kicks ubottu
[17:17] <Piggybear87> Lol.
[17:17] <phillw> !md5sum | Piggybear87
[17:18] <wxl> bah
[17:18] <phillw> adverts are on, I am following.... 9 kids in one house.... wow..
[17:19] <indn1234> wxl: thanks, I'll read about them.
[17:20] <wxl> indn1234: that's one example. the long and short of it is that outside of apps, the underlying systems that support those apps, messaging between apps, communication between software and hardware, etc. are all more bloaty with ubuntu
[17:20] <wxl> indn1234: put another way, convenience comes at a price :)
[17:20] <lucas21> Hello from Spain. I'm studying LPCI and I've stumbled on a problem: fdisk doesn't recognize the xfs partitions after installing xfsprog
[17:20] <Piggybear87> I don't get it.
[17:21] <indn1234> wxl: does it also mean that there a lot of apps that can be run on Ubuntu, but not in Lubuntu?
[17:21] <wxl> Piggybear87: if you give md5 a file, no matter what the file is named, assuming that the information in the file is exactly the same by every bit, the md5 "code" if you will is exactly the same
[17:21] <wxl> Piggybear87: if it differs by ONE BIT, it will be dramatically different
[17:21] <lucas21> Is blkid the only way to know if a xfs partition exists?
[17:22] <wxl> indn1234: anything can be run on anything, assuming you have all the right components and libraries
[17:22] <indn1234> wxl: gotcha.
[17:22] <wxl> indn1234: for example, if something requires gnome libraries or mono libraries, it's not in lubuntu by default.
[17:22] <indn1234> but CAN be added later. Right?
[17:22] <wxl> indn1234: if you want every convenience imaginable, you can turn lubuntu into something ubuntu-like very easily :)
[17:22] <wxl> indn1234: yep. lubuntu follows more of a KISS philosophy
[17:23] <wxl> indn1234: but that doesn't meant you can't bloat it up however you want
[17:23] <indn1234> yeah but then it would end up eating almost as much resources as a fresh ubuntu.
[17:23] <Piggybear87> I mean, I don't get how to check this. That page just confused me more.
[17:23] <wxl> Piggybear87: what os are you running right now?
[17:23] <indn1234> Which defeats the whole purpose :p
[17:23] <Piggybear87> Lubuntu 14.04
[17:23] <wxl> indn1234: exactly. that's the beauty of lubuntu. we've worked hard to keep it to a minimum while allowing for many typical needs.
[17:23] <Piggybear87> In recovery*
[17:24] <wxl> Piggybear87: what os are you running in its normal mode?
[17:24] <Piggybear87> Lubuntu 14.04
[17:24]  * wxl is confused
[17:24] <Piggybear87> BUT, I can't boot normally.
[17:24] <lucas21> #ubuntu
[17:24] <wxl> Piggybear87: so you're SURE your install CAN boot normally?
[17:24] <indn1234> wxl: thanks, you've been very helpful.
[17:24] <wxl> or DID i should say?
[17:24] <wxl> indn1234: np
[17:25] <Piggybear87> No, it's in recovery right now. This all started when I put my new to me video card in. I said that above.
[17:26] <wxl> Piggybear87: ok, so it DID work until you put your new video card in.
[17:26] <wxl> ?
[17:26] <Piggybear87> Yes. But I need the higher OpenGL version my card provides to play a game.
[17:27] <wxl> sorry i have to have you rehash this but i get confused on all these different situations
[17:27] <wxl> that and i'm in like 12,000 channels
[17:27] <wxl> that being said, what happened when you tried to boot after installing the new card?
[17:27] <Piggybear87> This whole mess started.
[17:28] <Piggybear87> It's been doing this for at least a month.
[17:28] <wxl> Piggybear87: sorry, i was asking for specifics. the whole live cd/recovery thing has confused the heck out of me. :)
[17:28] <Piggybear87> Ok, Right now, I'm NOT using the disc, just recovery mode. If I could screen shot the whole process I would.
[17:29] <wxl> Piggybear87: i'm not asking about recovery mode either. what happens when you boot like normal?
[17:30] <Piggybear87> I get stuck at the blinking cursor and after a fem it reboots and does the same thing UNTIL I power off with the button.
[17:30] <wxl> it reboots on its own?
[17:31] <Piggybear87> Yes, it gets stuck in a reboot loop (if I don't touch it, it takes ~2 minutes to do a whole loop)
[17:31] <wxl> that's quite strange
[17:31] <wxl> i suspect you need to upgrade your drivers
[17:32] <Piggybear87> I know. That's why IO'm here. I have been searching the interwebz since it started...
[17:32] <wxl> upgrading to 14.10 might be a good way to solve that problem
[17:32] <wxl> !nomodeset
[17:32] <wxl> you can also try using that ↑
[17:32] <Piggybear87> The latest download from the site is .04.
[17:33] <wxl> you can get 14.10
[17:33] <wxl> but i'd try nomodeset first
[17:33] <Piggybear87> si= to fix lcd backlight     I'm using a crt.
[17:33] <wxl> if you can get into the system, upgrading might solve the whole problem
[17:33] <wxl> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/
[17:34] <Piggybear87> Do I have to download and burn..... again?
[17:34] <wxl> try nomodeset first
[17:34] <wxl> if it fails, yes
[17:34] <wxl> it will give you the most up to date drivers
[17:35] <Piggybear87> Will I lose stuff?
[17:35] <wxl> with nomodeset, no
[17:35] <wxl> with upgrading to 14.10, you shouldn't
[17:35] <wxl> of course there's ALWAYS a possibility of data loss but it's highly unlikely
[17:37] <Piggybear87> "Note that this option is sometimes needed for nVidia cards when using the default "nouveau" drivers. Installing proprietary nvidia drivers usually makes this option no longer necessary, so it may not be needed to make this option permanent, just for one boot until you installed the nvidia drivers."  I am on proprietary drivers.
[17:39]  * Piggybear87 pours soda on the MOBO and goes fishing instead...
[17:39] <Piggybear87> Also, I don't get how to do this. All the code confuses me.
[17:41] <wxl> when you get to the boot menu, just add nomodeset to the end of the flags
[17:41] <wxl> read only the section the starts with How to temporarily set kernel boot options on an installed OS (not wubi)
[17:44] <Piggybear87> So just add "nomodeset" without quotes to the end?
[17:44] <wxl> yeppers
[17:44] <Piggybear87> Ok, brb again...
[17:47]  * phillw crosses fingers
[17:48] <Piggybear87> That may have helped, but I got a LOT of white text saying something failed or something.
[17:49] <wxl> Piggybear87: did it boot or not?
[17:49] <Piggybear87> Well, I didn't have to choose recover mode...
[17:49] <wxl> ok so where are you now?
[17:51] <Piggybear87> What do you mean? I still had to got to advanced, select the kernel and add nomodeset to the end of the /boot line and push ctrl+x to boot. That takes longer than recover, Lol.
[17:51] <Piggybear87> go to*
[17:51] <wxl> what do you see on the screen now?
[17:51] <Piggybear87> Same as normal, everything...
[17:51] <wxl> ok good
[17:51] <wxl> now you should update your system. do you know how to do that?
[17:52] <Piggybear87> I saw everything in recover also.
[17:52] <wxl> you were able to boot to the gui with recovery?
[17:52] <Piggybear87> sudo apt-get update
[17:52] <Piggybear87> Yes...
[17:52] <wxl> update doesn't update anything
[17:52] <wxl> except the indexes of all the things that could be updated
[17:52] <wxl> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y upgrade
[17:53] <wxl> get that done
[17:53] <Piggybear87> IDK about the -y part, but I do that every 3 days.
[17:53] <Piggybear87> But OK.
[17:53] <wxl> and you haven't done it in a month, right?
[17:53] <wxl> -y just means "don't ask me if i really mean it"
[17:54] <Piggybear87> No, every 3 days. I operate normally in recovery mode... I just don't want to be in recovery because of how I have to do it.
[17:55] <wxl> if that doesn't solve anything, select the "additional drivers" program from the menu
[17:55] <Piggybear87> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. See? Lol. Every 3 days. There is nothing to update/upgrade...
[17:57] <Piggybear87> And additional drivers gives me 4 choices, I have tried them all and only the proprietary one works.
[17:58] <wxl> ok, so it doesn't look like 14.04 is going to get you where you want. that being said, i'd try an upgrade to 14.10
[17:58] <wxl> what card is this btw?
[17:59] <Piggybear87> NVidia 6600(i think)
[17:59] <wxl> lspci | grep -i VGA
[17:59] <Piggybear87> I was about to ask what that command was... Lol.
[17:59] <Piggybear87> 6200*
[17:59] <Piggybear87> 01:02.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation NV44A [GeForce 6200] (rev a1)
[18:01] <Piggybear87> If I update and lose stuff I will be sad. I have stuff that's non-replaceable...
[18:01] <wxl> so back it up
[18:02] <wxl> have you tried to install the drivers from nvidia itself?
[18:02] <Piggybear87> That's the proprietary one.
[18:02] <wxl> yep
[18:02] <wxl> you can get proprietary drivers from ubuntu or install them yourself
[18:02] <wxl> i'm asking which you have done
[18:03] <Piggybear87> I just said that's the only one that works. Lol.
[18:04] <wxl> i have to say i'm having a wee bit of trouble parsing what you're saying. you use pronouns liberally when we're talking about multiple things, which makes it hard to figure out which thing you're referring to.
[18:04] <wxl> like that is "that?"
[18:04] <wxl> what is that i mean
[18:04] <wxl> the proprietary drivers from the ubuntu repos or have you installed them yourself from the nvidia website?
[18:05] <Piggybear87> I tried both. The one I'm on now is from additional drivers.
[18:05] <wxl> why aren't you using the one from nvidia?
[18:06] <Piggybear87> It did the same thing, so I figured "why have it taking up space (if only a little) if it performs the same?"
[18:06] <wxl> here's some record of it working with 10.04 and how they did it http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1610968
[18:06] <wxl> you might want to go with what they did
[18:07] <wxl> alternately, i'd backup your /home and do a fresh 14.10 install
[18:08] <wxl> but it seems like it's working for others in far older versions
[18:12] <Piggybear87> Screw it. That also confuses me. I will just stick to recovery mode. It's simpler and everything works.  I'm sticking with recovery mode until I can get another pack of cds and get 14.10, and dvd's to backup all of my stuff.