[01:42] <rick_h_> staying home sick
[01:46] <cmaloney> Good plan
[01:46] <cmaloney> esp if you're sick
[01:49] <cmaloney> Hope you feel better soon
[12:19] <cmaloney> morning
[13:48] <_stink_> hello
[13:52] <cmaloney> How goes?
[13:53] <_stink_> not bad
[13:53] <_stink_> just you at CHC last night?
[13:57] <cmaloney> AFIK
[13:57] <cmaloney> I got there late, so not sure if anyone showed up before 8:30pm
[13:58] <cmaloney> But, fortunately they had the AC on
[13:58] <cmaloney> though I still haven't seen Dale there for the past few weeks
[14:40] <greg-g> morn
[14:40] <_stink_> yo
[14:52] <cmaloney> how goes?
[14:53] <greg-g> hopefully better than yesterday
[15:01] <cmaloney> I think that's a mantra
[15:01] <cmaloney> om om better than yesterday om
[15:02] <greg-g> no you know my hippy routine, chant "om dooooon't fuuuuuck uuuuup liiiiike Iiiii diiiid yeeeesteeerdaaaay.
[15:09] <rick_h_> wow, that went sideways quick
[15:09] <greg-g> haha
[15:15] <cmaloney> I kind of like that
[15:16] <greg-g> cmaloney: http://www.trainwreckrecords.com/church/
[15:19] <cmaloney> Yeah, I'm reading through it
[15:19] <cmaloney> Looks similar to a lot of other things that I've seen over the years.
[15:19] <cmaloney>  Similar to the weekly review


[05:34] <edson> oiii
[12:47] <MJCD> Heyo
[12:48] <MJCD> what's a lightweight window manager deally using Qt5
 WM or DE?
 Lubuntu uses openbox as WM and lxqt as DE
[15:34] <justtesting_> running lubuntu off a usb, find if it's too loaded, then it freezes without warning, then in spurts, allows me to use the mouse, then freezes again,    if i can manage to close some windows i may be able to recover, otherwise it's too frozen to even close a window (though moving a mouse is usually ok - even if there is like a 20second delay). and i have to restart.
[15:58] <heyo> Hi
[15:58] <heyo> I need help
[15:59] <diogenes_> !ASK | heyo
[15:59] <heyo> :)
[16:00] <heyo> I just wanted to know why on earth is screensaver turning on after changing the clock? It really scared me the first time cause it was some weird one straight from hell
[16:00] <heyo> 18.10
[16:01] <heyo> desktop i386
[16:01] <zleap> usually the screen saver kicks in after x mins of in activity, maybe changing the clock is confusing the timing
[16:02] <heyo> hmmm
[16:03] <heyo> It does that only with particuall hour seems like; maybe mismatch in iso, i didn't verify it ;D
[16:03] <zleap> ah ok
[16:04] <zleap> does the screensaver have a log file?
[16:05] <heyo> Why would it?
[16:06] <zleap> i dunno, but a lot of things have log files, a log file could perhaps log any errors when starting up or failing to start
[16:08] <heyo> Well I am using it in live mode anyway so wouldn't help; md5 looks good tho
[16:16] <heyo> Virtualbox 5.2.22 r126460 (Qt5.6.2), resolution 1920x725, disk 4mb, live cd mode; when I go to Time and date configuration, turn off NTP and make time one hour up, screensaver is popping up
[16:23] <heyo> Tbf yeah proably the timing think. Thank You for help
[16:23] <heyo> But tesselimage is scary
 Hi all! ... I been contributing to the Indonesian LXQt Weblate for a while now and thinking about contributing to the ... Lubuntu Weblate too since it's fairly empty, ... it's just that seems that I haven't able to receive the confirmation email for any of my email account. ... The Weblate contact form seems to be broken too..., is the
 @nerdv2 [Hi all! ... I been contributing to the Indonesian LXQt Weblate for a while now and …], Hey! Let me talk to the person who manages the MTA for that and get back to you
 Meanwhile, it would be great if you could join our development channel at https://telegram.lubuntu.me/development
[23:15] <oxek> when will Lubuntu 18.04.2 LTS be released?
[23:26] <tsimonq2> oxek: As soon as I publish the announcement.
[23:26] <tsimonq2> So, less than an hour.
[23:29] <oxek> great, thanks!


[00:35] <alteregoa> heh
[00:35] <alteregoa> high
[00:36] <Prefix> lol next version pre alpha already
[00:36] <Prefix> im impressed :)
[00:36] <alteregoa> inriped
[00:36] <alteregoa> or ontrepid
[00:36] <alteregoa> intrepid, this name is strange
[00:37] <alteregoa> where can i find the roadmap of ibex?
[02:31] <nalioth> tritium: /msg chanserv op #ubuntu+1
[02:31] <tritium> Yes, I see I have access.
[02:32] <Amaranth> \o/
[02:32] <tritium> Amaranth: :)
[02:33] <Amaranth> time to ban some newbs ;)
[02:42] <RyanPrior> I would beat my op chest with my op fists, but alas, I could not ban my way out of a wet paper bag.
[02:43]  * BunnyRevolution is amused
[03:24] <dfgas> i wish ubuntu had a menu kinda like the vista start menu. It sucks when you have a lot of stuff in for say the games menu
[03:25] <kumarphilly> add a launcher
[03:25] <kumarphilly> dfgas:
[03:26] <kumarphilly> right next to firefox i added a pidgin one
[03:27] <dfgas> what for each thing i want to use?
[03:28] <kumarphilly> hmm
[03:28] <kumarphilly> before clicking on the thing you want a launcher for you gright click and click on add to launcher panel
[03:32] <dfgas> hmmm
[03:32] <dfgas> didn't get any sound in nexuiz
[03:33] <dfgas> sorry wrong chan
[03:33] <kumarphilly> haha
[03:36] <dfgas> :D
[03:36] <dfgas> found a fix however
[03:37] <kumarphilly> ok
[03:37] <kumarphilly> cool
[03:51] <IdleOne> evening all
[03:57] <alex_mayorga> does the Ibex has Firefox nightlies on it?
[05:05] <ZiggyFish> I don't know were to ask this, I use virtual-box, and since the kernel update today, I can't run my virtual-box. When will the kernel modules be updated?
[05:05] <ZiggyFish> for this new kernel version
[05:08] <Boohbah> ZiggyFish: you can use the binary from virtualbox.org
[05:13] <ZiggyFish> thanks :(
[06:59] <RyanPrior> How do I upgrade to Intrepid? sudo apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't work. This is my first time trying to upgrade pre-alpha - I want to run an Intrepid VM and see what things break.
[07:08] <hydrogen> don't.
[07:09] <RyanPrior> hydrogen: I always hear "expect breakage, and don't upgrade unless you want to deal with failure". Well, I expect breakage, and I want to deal with failure, but I don't know what the new repos are or what the command is to switch to them.
[07:09] <hydrogen> if all you want to do is deal with failure
[07:09] <hydrogen> then why do you want to upgrade?
[07:10] <hydrogen> and, if you don't know how to upgrade, you probably shouldn't be upgrading
[07:11] <RyanPrior> hydrogen: Why shouldn't I be upgrading? I want to upgrade, specifically to see what breaks during the upgrade, so I can understand more about the upgrade process and follow progress.
[07:11] <hydrogen> everythings going to break, intrepid just started
[07:11] <hydrogen> wait until theres something to upgrade to
[07:12] <RyanPrior> hydrogen: so, you'll tell me when I'm older? That's disappointing. :-(
[07:13] <lemonade> RyanPrior: change /etc/apt/sources.list hardy->intrepid; run apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade (or use aptitude or graphical installer)
[07:13] <lemonade> RyanPrior: and have fun
[07:14] <RyanPrior> Thanks. Fun will be had - though perhaps, as hydrogen says, not in earnest for another week or two.
[07:14] <hydrogen> and don't say in a thing here when it doesn't work
[07:14] <RyanPrior> No complaints from me until Alpha 1. :-)
[07:33] <alex_mayorga> can one jump to the ibex already?
[08:13] <Sionide> apparently yes, alex_mayorga..
[08:13] <Sionide> if one doesn't mind significant instability and recovering from total system failure
[08:13] <alex_mayorga> Sionide, guide please?
[08:14] <alex_mayorga> I'm probably going to debian anyway so hit me please
[08:14] <Sionide> *shrug*
[08:15] <Sionide> do what lemonade suggests above..
[08:16] <alex_mayorga> no above here, just joined minutes ago
[08:17] <Sionide> oh my bad, i turned off join/part messages heh
 RyanPrior: change /etc/apt/sources.list hardy->intrepid; run apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade (or use aptitude or graphical installer)
[08:19] <alex_mayorga> Sionide, thanks
[08:20] <Sionide> but as they were saying, there's not much worth upgrading for just yet
[08:24] <alex_mayorga> but then I could take my problems into this less crowded channel and start nominating the bugs that have haunted me since feisty :)
[08:40] <Luckrider> !upgrade
[08:40] <Luckrider> !pastebin
[08:40] <pen> hi
[08:40] <Luckrider> ubotu is broken
[08:40] <pen> How's intriped Ibex?
[08:40] <pen> good?
[08:40] <Luckrider> don't know
[08:40] <Luckrider> still have Hardy
[08:40] <pen> yea
[08:40] <Luckrider> had it since beta
[08:40] <pen> I bet so
[08:40] <pen> yea
[08:40] <pen> same here
[08:41] <Luckrider> Hardy wa smore stable as beta than gusty and Fiesty were stable as Stable versions
[08:41] <Luckrider> for me at least
[08:41] <pen> hardy is better than the previous version
[08:41] <Luckrider> yeah
[08:42] <pen> even the live cd is far mroe better
[08:42] <Luckrider> oh yeah
[08:42] <Luckrider> thelive cd loaded faster than the HDD load
[08:42] <pen> no more slow down or bugs
[08:42] <Luckrider> that is strange
[08:42] <pen> lol
[08:42] <Luckrider> I like i though
[08:42] <Luckrider> and...
[08:42] <pen> less stuff to load probably
[08:42] <pen> or RAM is good
[08:42] <Luckrider> it is like 3:40 in the mornig here
[08:42] <Luckrider> probly
[08:42] <Luckrider> but...
[08:42] <Luckrider> I am so tired
[08:43] <Luckrider> Had SATs yesterday
[08:43] <Luckrider> got up at 6
[08:43] <Luckrider> so
[08:43] <Luckrider> I have been up for almost 22 hours
[08:43] <Luckrider> plus a mohor test that sucked
[08:43] <pen> lol
[08:43] <pen> I had ACT
[08:43] <Luckrider> but...
[08:43] <Luckrider> that sucks
[08:43] <Luckrider> but... Ubotu is broken
[08:43] <pen> not this year
[08:43] <pen> lol
[08:43] <Luckrider> or not here
[08:43] <pen> they haven't set up yet
[08:43] <Luckrider> oh
[08:44] <Luckrider> man, I like ubotu
[08:44] <Luckrider> he is cool
[08:44] <pen> lol
[08:44] <Luckrider> brb
[08:44] <pen> k
[08:45] <Luckrider> back
[08:45] <Luckrider> lots of Dr. Pepper and water
[08:45] <Luckrider> now it i gone
[08:45] <Luckrider> *is
[08:49] <alex_mayorga> I still have a laptop whose graphics won't work on the final Hardy Live CD
[08:49] <pvandewyngaerde> i have such a computer
[08:50] <alex_mayorga> nvidia maybe?
[08:50] <pvandewyngaerde> nope, a very old computer
[08:51] <pen> hi
[08:51] <pen> back
[08:51] <pen> lol, we are talking about hardy in Intriped Ibex channel
[08:52] <alex_mayorga> !ot
[08:52] <alex_mayorga> :)
[09:57] <bobbo> Is anyone else having problems with the latest gcc-4.2 and perl updates?
[14:02] <cbr> hi, my Xorg in intrepid cant find the FIXED font and fails
[14:02] <cbr> what's going on?
[14:03] <bardyr> i have the same problem
[14:04] <stdin> I'd say "It'd broken, sorry"
[14:04] <stdin> do not expect anything to work right now, at all. and if, by chance, something does work, expect it to break soon
[14:05] <cbr> it seems like some trivial b0rkage.. any workaround or smth?
[14:05] <cbr> well, things like binutils and Xorg i expect to find at least working :D
[14:06] <cbr> other stuff is natural to break
[14:07] <cbr> oh, the kernel too :p
[14:09] <cbr> is there a relevant bugreport?
[14:09] <cbr> i might try to observe it with links :p
[14:17] <cbr> okay, links2 locked my screen, nice :D
[14:20] <cbr> so noone has any idea about the problem?
[14:24] <stdin> if you can't live without X, then try Hardy
[14:24] <cbr> i had hardy.. it doesnt get updates anymore
[14:24] <rsk> =)
[14:25] <rsk> cbr: yea only security and bugfixes
[14:25] <cbr> exactly
[14:25] <stdin> enable -updates -backports and -proposed then, there are already some in -proposed
[14:26] <cbr> hmm
[14:26] <cbr> guess i'll have to use a knoppix cd then because i really need X tonight
[14:26] <cbr> mb going to put back debian unstable or smth..
[14:27] <cbr> they tend to keep the real borkage in experimental :p
[14:29] <rsk> =)
[14:33] <IdleOne> wow cant load Software Sources . crashes
[14:34] <IdleOne> ahh the problem is gcc4.2.2
[14:36] <rsk> what's . ?
[14:43] <RussellGee> cbr: i have the same problem
[14:43] <RussellGee> tried copying fonts from hardy never worked though
[14:45] <RussellGee> lol, hes away
[14:45] <RussellGee> anyone else got the same problem?
[15:08] <bobbo> damn, im getting the X errors too :/
[15:31] <slipttees> hi
[15:31] <slipttees> released for upgrade from update-manager ?
[15:52] <dhq> hello guys ... i just installed kubuntu 8.04 but the problem is it uses vesa drivers when i install the propariety drivers i get the white screen of death
[15:52] <hydrogen> ...
[15:52] <hydrogen> ask in one channel
[15:52] <hydrogen> not at least three
[16:01] <RussellGee> Does anyone have a fix for the "default font not found" when trying to start X ?
[16:08] <bobbo> RussellGee: not yet, Xorg is still broken for me
[16:09] <hwilde> !topic | Benjamin_L
[16:10] <hwilde> Benjamin_L,  "For more info, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex | Intrepid is PRE-ALPHA softare, and we do NOT recommend that users upgrade at this time."
[16:10] <RussellGee> bobbo: i have tried loads of things, copied & pasted fonts from hardy, reinstalled xfonts-base, reinstalled X
[16:10] <bicyclis1> Just wondering, how are your experiences with updating from gutsy to hardy ? In "earlier" days i just to do a fresh install but this time it was "only" an update yet it seems to run smoothly fore me.
[16:10] <RussellGee> its something silly just i cant work it out :P
[16:11] <bobbo> RussellGee: heh, my plan was just to wait until someone got round to fixing it :)
[16:13] <RussellGee> lol, it gives me something to do instead of studying for my exams :p
[16:14] <RussellGee> next one is tuesday and im dreading it :s
[16:14] <bobbo> My first one is tuesday, got another on Thursday, cant be bothered with them
[16:14] <bobbo> got better things to do, like watch people fix Xorg on IRC
[16:15] <RussellGee> Standard Grades?
[16:15] <RussellGee> lol
[16:15] <bobbo> yeah, English and Maths :)
[16:15] <RussellGee> lol same :p
[16:15] <bobbo> hehe :D
[16:15] <RussellGee> you only got 2 :P
[16:15] <RussellGee> lucky *****
[16:15] <bobbo> i got another on the 22nd but thats *ages* away :P
[16:16] <RussellGee> i got 8
[16:16] <RussellGee> lol
[16:16] <bobbo> sucks :/
[16:17] <RussellGee> what levels you sitting?
[16:17] <bobbo> Maths General, English and Modern Studies Credit, you?
[16:18] <Benjamin_L> So now on to asking my question again, did anyone find a way to fix this kinit problem yet or do we have to wait for an update?
[16:18] <Benjamin_L> I hope this is the right channel now..
[16:18] <hwilde> Benjamin_L, what exactly is your problem ?
[16:19] <RussellGee> English, Chemistry, Computing, Craft, Physics, Business Mng, Graphics Credit
[16:19] <RussellGee> and Maths Int2
[16:19] <daekdroom> o.o
[16:19] <Benjamin_L> ubuntu starts up until the xserver would normally start, I get a message "kinit: name to dev_t ..." No resume image, doing normal boot
[16:20] <bobbo> RussellGee: I was supposed to do maths Int2, then i got 34% in the prelim :/
[16:20] <Benjamin_L> the xserver tries to start but fails after doing it four times
[16:20] <hwilde> Benjamin_L, so you're at a terminal ?  type "startx"
[16:20] <bobbo> RussellGee: back on topic :P, Bug #226514 has a solution
[16:21] <bobbo> RussellGee: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxfont/+bug/226514
[16:21] <RussellGee> bobbo: i just scraped it ;)
[16:22] <RussellGee> Cheers
[16:22] <Benjamin_L> hwilde: alsready tried that, I get hostname: Unknown host, etc. bad display name "z347:0" in "list" command and the same for "resume" unable to connect to the x server
[16:22] <Benjamin_L> i found something that it might be related to /etc/hosts
[16:22] <Benjamin_L> but that file is fine
[16:23] <RussellGee> bobbo: going to try that now
[16:23] <hwilde> Benjamin_L, can you pastebin   /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname
[16:24] <Benjamin_L> I only have internet on my laptop now but I'll type it, just a second
[16:24] <Benjamin_L> hostname is z347
[16:24] <hwilde> that error message is related to one of those files.
[16:26] <Benjamin_L> hwilde: http://pastebin.ca/1007038
[16:27] <hwilde> Benjamin_L, change that line to     <IP_ADDRESS> localhost z347
[16:28] <hwilde> then the display z347:0 should resolve to localhost:0
[16:28] <Benjamin_L> hwilde: thanks, I'll try
[16:30] <Benjamin_L> hwilde: the x server still doesn't seem to like me but the messages about unknown host are gone now
[16:30] <hwilde> Benjamin_L, what is the error now
[16:30] <Benjamin_L> can't connect to the x server
[16:30] <hwilde> right xserver is not running
[16:30] <hwilde> do ummm   sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart
[16:31] <hwilde> !restartx | Benjamin_L
[16:31] <hwilde> hey where is ubottu
[16:31] <Benjamin_L> I tried to restart gdm and even rebooted but to no avail
[16:32] <Benjamin_L> hwilde: fatal server error: could not open default font fixed
[16:33] <hwilde> ah there you go
[16:33] <hwilde> what'd you do to your fonts
[16:33] <Benjamin_L> nothing, it worked alright up to the latest updates I did this morning
[16:34] <Benjamin_L> /usr/share/fonts/X11 still the right directory?
[16:34] <hwilde> where is that default font defined ?
[16:35] <Benjamin_L> hwilde: good question, my xorg.conf doesn't mention anything like 'fixed'
[16:36] <bobbo> RussellGee: has downgrading fixed it for you?
[16:36] <hwilde> Benjamin_L, dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig
[16:37] <RussellGee> bobbo: just about to boot into it just now to see
[16:37] <RussellGee> brb
[16:39] <Benjamin_L> hwilde: still the same
[16:40] <Benjamin_L> hwilde: some lines above it tells me "could not init font path element ..., removing from list"
[16:41] <Benjamin_L> seems to do this with every font listed in xorg.conf
[16:44] <hwilde> well... that's your problem right there
[16:44] <hwilde> but i'm not sure how to fix that one
[16:44] <hwilde> did you get all the updates?
[16:44] <RussellGee> bobbo: yeah it worked
[16:44] <bobbo> wahey :D
[16:44] <Benjamin_L> yep, all concerning the x server, maybe only some have been ready and now things are messed up, I don't know
[16:45] <hwilde> Benjamin_L, backup your xorg.conf , delete it, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[16:45] <RussellGee> bobbo: still have some dependency problems but atleast things are booting now ;)
[16:46] <bobbo> RussellGee: dpendency problems with "cpp-4.2 gcc-4.2 gcc-4.2-base perl perl-base perl-modules"?
[16:46] <hwilde> what I still want to know is when you apt-get instal openssh-server from the livecd,  where does it install to exactly?
[16:47] <RussellGee> plus cups and a few other things
[16:47] <Benjamin_L> hwilde: still the same
[16:47] <Benjamin_L> guess I'll have to wait and see
[16:47] <hwilde> Benjamin_L, it's not from xorg.conf then
[16:47] <hwilde> something else
[16:48] <bobbo> RussellGee: about the dpendencies problem, do you get https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/226400 when you run update-manager?
[16:48] <Benjamin_L> I just read about a font-server but the post was from 2004, sounds outdated :)
[16:49] <Benjamin_L> should I install xfs or xfstt?
[16:50] <RussellGee> bobbo: yeap
[16:50] <bobbo> RussellGee: heh, thats been annoying me all dy
[16:50] <bobbo> s/dy/day
[16:51] <RussellGee> apt is still working fine though
[16:52] <bobbo> yeah gcc and perl are messing *everything* up
[16:52] <bobbo> except installing and removing
[16:52] <RussellGee> i actually thought it was just me
[16:53] <RussellGee> i upgrade mabey a little to quickly lol
[16:53] <bobbo> its more fun when you dont know if your computers going to boot everyday :)
[16:53] <RussellGee> yeah :p
[16:54] <Benjamin_L> bobbo: atm its not that much fun ^^
[16:54] <RussellGee> i really would be better off just using sid :p
[16:55] <RussellGee> upgrading perl basicly removes everything lol
[16:55] <Benjamin_L> bobbo: my update manager showed the same, haven't seen it since rebooting ;)
[16:56] <bobbo> Benjamin_L: im too scared to reboot after almost having no Xorg
[16:56] <Benjamin_L> bobbo: that where my desktop is now, no xorg and no obvious reason how to fix it
[16:57] <bobbo> Benjamin_L: did you try downgrading libxfont1?
[16:57] <Benjamin_L> I still wonder why there is no intrepid forum on ubuntuforums, all the development forums have been that useful for fixing problem
[16:57] <Benjamin_L> bobbo: no, ILl try
[16:57] <RussellGee> i was thinking the same thing
[16:58] <RussellGee> should be made soon
[16:59] <Benjamin_L> bobbo: only got the latest version in /var/cache/apt/archives :/
[17:00] <hwilde> Benjamin_L, you could try the wiki   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex
[17:00] <bobbo> Benjamin_L: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10007/plain/
[17:01] <Benjamin_L> bobbo: I'll try, but I'll have to cut my internet connection on my laptop for that, see you later
[17:02]  * hwilde wonders how he expects to make intrepid work if he can't share internet...
[17:03] <hwilde> Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods
[17:03] <hwilde> Driver 'sr' needs updating - please use bus_type methods
[17:03] <RussellGee> brb
[17:04] <Benjamin_L> bobbo: this fixed it, thank you
[17:05] <bobbo> Benjamin_L: no problem :)
[17:06] <RussellGee> bobbo: have you tried downgrading update-manager to fix that problem?
[17:07] <bobbo> RussellGee: no i think it because of the dependency problems, not a problem with update-manager
[17:07]  * bobbo goes to check the changelog anyway
[17:08] <bobbo> nah its the same version in Hardy and Intrepid, definately because of the other dpe's problems
[17:08] <RussellGee> Ok
[17:13] <bobbo> how do you get apt to lock at a version of a package? So its not trying to upgrade to the dodgy libxfont1 package
[17:13] <RussellGee> synaptic
[17:13] <RussellGee> find your package
[17:13] <Sionide> --no-upgrade
[17:14] <RussellGee> packages > lock pakage
[17:14] <RussellGee> package*
[17:14] <bobbo> thanks guys :)
[17:14] <RussellGee> lock version sorry
[17:15] <RussellGee> is the ubuntu uk server behind the main server?
[17:17] <RussellGee> anyone know?
[17:18] <bobbo> RussellGee: nah sorry
[17:18]  * bobbo grabs the new htop update :D
[17:19] <Benjamin_L> so thanks to everyone who helped me, lets hope we get an intrepid forum soon :) bye
[17:19] <bobbo> bye Benjamin_L
[17:19] <RussellGee> benjamin: i might go do some moaning see if we can get it
[17:19] <RussellGee> :P
[17:20] <RussellGee> bye
[18:06] <fidelio> Hi everybod
[18:07] <fidelio> I upgraded from dapper to HArdy without problems..except that my external ntsf HD didn't get mounted...any idea?
[18:16] <fidelio> I upgraded from dapper to HArdy without problems..except that my external ntsf HD didn't get mounted...any idea?
[18:17] <hydrogen> I have an idea!
[18:17] <hydrogen> You are in the wronng channel
[18:17] <daekdroom> fidelio: Hardy support is at #ubuntu
[18:38] <david_-_-> can anyone please help me with this post ? i really need to get this fixed http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=780525
[18:40] <RussellGee> david: your in the wrong place
[18:40] <RussellGee> go to #ubuntu for support
[18:40] <RussellGee> this is for intriped
[18:40] <david_-_-> RussellGee: i have for two hours now and no one will help me not even in #wine.
[18:41] <david_-_-> this room used to be for hardy why is it now for intriped?
[18:41] <RussellGee> hardy is now released
[18:42] <RussellGee> hardy is now #ubuntu
[18:42] <RussellGee> for a start you need to .wine directory is owned by root which is wrong
[18:43] <RussellGee> to fix the .wine*
[18:43] <RussellGee> go to #ubuntu for help
[18:43] <david_-_-> RussellGee: i have wine .61 i compiled from source and i can not uninstall it do you mind helping me ?
[18:43] <RussellGee> 0.9.59 is in the repos
[18:44] <RussellGee> cd into the source directory that you installed from and type sudo make uninstall
[18:44] <david_-_-> RussellGee:ok thanks but no one will help me in there with anything for some reason they all ignore me.
[18:51] <gnomefreak> daekdroom: RussellGee is right but for wine #winehq is most of time better faster and more informitive
[18:51] <gnomefreak> opps
[18:51] <gnomefreak> hes gone
[19:00] <Skiessi> is x broken at the moment?
[19:02] <bobbo> Skiessi: yeah, theres a problem with libxfonts
[19:18] <D_Eagle> i m facing serious problem in kubuntu, I can't shutdown my computer ! :(can any body help ?big problem while shutting down... i always hard shutdown my computer :(
[19:19] <D_Eagle>  just blank screen appears and stays like that
[19:22] <Skiessi> is your pc pre-2k one?
[19:23] <Skiessi> when you're booting your pc, does it whine about acpi for a line?
[19:24] <Skiessi> because I have that problem in my older pc
[19:24] <D_Eagle> no no
[19:24] <D_Eagle> its toshiba laptop
[19:25] <lemonade> D_Eagle: it might be issue with usplash
[19:25] <lemonade> check if /etc/usplash.conf has wrong resolutions set
[19:25] <D_Eagle> hmm.. okay
[19:26] <D_Eagle> the resolution is okay
[19:26] <lemonade> ok
[19:29] <Skiessi> does it show the progress bar and you see it finish, but it just doesn't shut down?
[19:30] <D_Eagle> nothing but a blank screen appears and stays like that
[19:30] <D_Eagle> but if i press ctrl+alt+backspace login window appears
[19:30] <Xsss4hell> Ubuntu Hardy | Linux SGC-Atlantis 2.6.24-17-generic | FritzBoxWLAN Stick | Does not work. PLEASE HELP OUT!
[19:30] <D_Eagle> and from there if i shutdown again, then i can see all those progressbars
[19:31] <D_Eagle> but even after that.. the computer doesn't turn off
[19:31] <daekdroom> Xsss4hell: Ubuntu Hardy support is at #ubuntu
[19:32] <Xsss4hell> what is ubuntu+1?
[19:32] <Skiessi> Intrepid Ibex
[19:32] <daekdroom> Development version.
[19:32] <Skiessi> 8.10
[19:32] <Xsss4hell> ah
[19:32] <Xsss4hell> kernel version?
[19:33] <daekdroom> Er..
[19:33] <bobbo> Xsss4hell: same as hardy at the moment
[19:33] <Xsss4hell> ah
[19:33] <bobbo> 2.6.24-17
[19:33] <daekdroom> It's just a hardy with a few updates that break everything.
[19:33] <Skiessi> yeah that's about it
[19:33] <Xsss4hell> =) hah yes the common
[19:34] <Xsss4hell> the usual
[19:35] <alex_mayorga> would the separate /home partition be a "default" on Ibex?
[19:36] <AtomicSpark> no. for we are not suse.
[19:36] <AtomicSpark> :P
[19:37] <Xsss4hell> it's a good idea, but still only a recommandation, so put it into the auto partition thingy.
[19:37] <AtomicSpark> but i agree there should be more options for installing. like it shouldnt just be default, lvm (which takes you to another default only option), and custom.
[19:37] <alex_mayorga> this maybe https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/install-overwrite
[19:38] <alex_mayorga> ubiquity should be smart enough to realize it's a reinstall and try to preserve as much as possible
[19:39] <alex_mayorga> pretty much as it tries to get docs and prefs from Windows install
[19:39] <AtomicSpark> and fails D:
[19:40] <alex_mayorga> it even copied my froggie user-icon from Windows successfully
[19:40] <Xsss4hell> ^indeed
[19:40] <AtomicSpark> so is there a list yet of what might be in ibex?
[19:41] <AtomicSpark> we at least still need a 8.04.1.. so many little problems.
[19:42] <AtomicSpark> im going back to offtopic. can't have two conversations about the same thing. ;)
[19:43] <alex_mayorga> I proposed the blueprint for UDS
[19:44] <alex_mayorga> is that OK/acceptable?
[19:46] <alex_mayorga> probably this one is better or at leas includes a use case https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/home-partition-integration-with-installer
[19:52] <alex_mayorga> !blueprint
[20:40] <hotmonkeyluv> where can I d/l 8.10?
[20:40] <hotmonkeyluv> as an iso
[20:40] <hotmonkeyluv> (is it even possible)?
[20:45] <Skiessi> you don't want to do that, probably
[20:45] <Skiessi> omgomg is there a typo in the topic? :O
[20:47] <RussellGee> hotmonkeyluv: there is no iso's
[20:48] <RussellGee> not untill alpha 1 anyway
[20:48] <RussellGee> plus its not a good idea anyway atm
[20:48] <hotmonkeyluv> I know
[20:49] <hotmonkeyluv> but I have a computer sitting around that uses scsi, and nothing I've tried (besides xp, but we all know how we feel about that) works.
[20:49] <RussellGee> well if u must
[20:50] <RussellGee> get hardy and replace hardy with intrepid in your source.list file
[20:50] <RussellGee> then update
[20:54] <hotmonkeyluv> but the problem with that is that I can't install ubuntu to my scsi machine
[20:54] <hotmonkeyluv> so I can't do all that cool configing stuff
[20:55] <bobbo> hotmonkeyluv: #ubuntu might be a better place to try to get help installing Hardy
[20:56] <hotmonkeyluv> yeah, I suppose
[20:56] <hotmonkeyluv> I just wanted to try to install the newest and shakiest stuff
[20:58] <bobbo> hotmonkeyluv: heh, Intrepid is *really* shaky
[20:58] <hotmonkeyluv> lol
[20:58] <bobbo> as in nothing works :D
[20:58] <hotmonkeyluv> hrm, well... that sucks
[20:59] <bobbo> hehe, its fun if you like trying to fix things though
[20:59] <hotmonkeyluv> yup, that's me
[21:23] <mysterycool> Hmmm, so the next release is gonna be called Interpid?
[21:23] <Hydrogen> thats what the topic says
[21:24] <mysterycool> hmm, weird
[21:24] <mysterycool> I mean, the latest releases' names were like -y
[21:24] <mysterycool> like, hardy, gutsy, feisty etc... =]
[21:34] <Laser87> intrepid
[21:34] <Laser87> all adjectives - noone cares bout -y
[21:36] <BunnyRevolution> interesting observation
[23:12] <RussellGee> anyone know at what time the syncs happen at ?


[00:23] <mparillo_> LinuxTor: I open a konsole and sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade -y
[00:26] <LinuxTor> mparillo_: Can you post screenshot of Info Center if you have the latest version of Kubuntu LTS?
[00:34] <LinuxTor> Still can't find out how to update from 18.04 to 18.04.1.  And this channel is near dead. My god. And the elitists here get triggered when I say Windows is way easier to use.
[00:37] <mparillo_> Oh, I mis-understood. If apt says there are no remaining updates, then you should be good to go.
[00:38] <mparillo_> I am not at a Kubuntu computer now (and I am mostly running the current development release anyway), but don't trust my screenshots anyway. On many, if not most, of my VMs, I have enabled backports.
[00:40] <LinuxTor> mparillo_: I ran the two commands & it's still showing as 18.04 in Info Center. It should be showing as 18.04.1 if it updated.
[00:44] <mparillo_> I am not certain of that. The point of 18.04.x is to have a "fresher" ISO,so you do not have to download virtually every package immediately. Sometimes there is a bugfix to the installer itself.
[00:44] <mparillo_> But what matters is the package versions, and they should be identical
[00:47] <LinuxTor> Ok so cat /etc/issue shows that I've upgraded to 18.04.1. Phew
[00:47] <LinuxTor> mparillo_: Thanks for not getting triggered & helping
[07:13] <lordievader> Good mornning
[08:41] <shanemikel> I'm having serious breakage with my nvidia/optimus/bumblebee setup upon recent 18.04 updates
[08:42] <shanemikel> I figured it was nvidia driver update, but it seems to be unique to ubuntu.. I booted manjaro and it works great out of box
[08:43] <shanemikel> pretty disappointing, as I spent a lot of time screwing around to get it working.
[08:44] <shanemikel> read some stuff online about ubuntu making major changes to the nvidia packaging setup.. now I can't find it.  anybody can confirm?
[08:53] <valorie> shanemikel: you might ask in #ubuntu, a much larger channel
[08:54] <valorie> the kub. team doesn't handle that part of the stack
 @valorie, I thought all the Nvidia problems were with Kwin in regards to Plasma. Does Bumblebee work with Primus too?
[08:57] <valorie> not exacly -- the problems were between nvidia and the kwin devel as we move to Wayland
[08:57] <valorie> I have zero nvidia problems but I don't use bumblebee
[08:58] <valorie> i don't try to run wayland yet either
 hmm. I gave up on the Nvidia. Nothing worked.
[08:58] <valorie> I think I had to set nomodeset at one point
[08:58] <valorie> but that was the only problem I ever had
 nomodeset is only if you boot to a bank screen, yes? Not for screen tearing.
[09:23] <valorie> exacly
[09:23] <valorie> exactly, I mean
[09:23] <valorie> sorry, heading to bed
[09:42] <diogenes_> Anarchotaoist, what's the issue?
 @diogenes_, No issue (outside of using the Nvidia driver) You solved this for me previously! 🙂 👍
[09:52] <diogenes_> ok
[11:45] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:18] <joeman1> Greetings
[18:02] <roboto> can anyone help with fixing qt. it seem severely broke here. no google hits have worked. removed all of qt, rebooted, reinstalled, and still broke
[18:06] <genii> A more specific example of what seems "severely broken" could be useful
[19:07] <cyrano> Hello. The model of my laptop is Inspiron 3185. My the touchpad on my laptop sometimes stops working when I close the lid or when I flip it the other way to make it a tablet. I tried checking the mouse and touchpad settings but there isn't anything useful there to help fix my problem
[21:33] <hankth89> Heya, I ran into something weird while trying to copy files from one location to another in Dolphin. I'm sort of a novice at this stuff so bear with me. I'm connected over sftp in dolphin to a remote server. I was copying 75 folders from one location on that server to another location on that server. Each folder contains 4 nearly identical text files. For whatever reason, ONE of the folders was unable to copy its contents. The
[21:33] <hankth89> folders also all have the same name with the exception of a single number, ie they are named as "In50_Ga0_O75_2_vacancy_O_57.vasp" where the 57 before .vasp is variable. In this case, all the folders EXCEPT In50_Ga0_O75_2_vacancy_O_5.vasp copied fine. I tried a second time, this time JUST trying to copy the offending folder over. That didn't work either. However when I renamed the file to "weird_folder" it copied just fine. I don't
[21:33] <hankth89> really know how to make a log or report this, or if it's even the fault of Dolphin, but I figured I'd chime in in case it's useful or if there is a good solution.
[21:35] <hankth89> I'm in on Kubuntu 18.04, plasma version 5.12.6, KDE Frameworks version 5.44.0, QT version 5.9.5, Kernel version 4.15.0-42-generic, 64 bit
[21:36] <hankth89> if it makes a difference I'm also connected via ssh to the same server, but I'm not in the same directories that I'm copying to or from or anything.
[21:37] <hankth89> I've since deleted the copied folder and recopied it succesfully a number of times afterwards, since doing the renaming and copying thing.
[21:38] <hankth89> So not really a problem, just a heads up. Let me know if this is useful or if you want some kind of log. Otherwise, thanks for making kubuntu what it is, it's pretty awesome
[21:38] <valorie> hankth89: all I can think of is perhaps there was some sort of illegal & invisible character somewhere
[21:38] <valorie> doesn't seem to have been the contents
[21:39] <valorie> just the filename
[21:39] <hankth89> possible, althought the folder names were all generated from the same script in a big batch
[21:39] <valorie> sounds like a heisenbug!
[21:39] <valorie> the hardest ones to track
[21:40] <hankth89> hahah, i like that name. Yeah who knows. Okay thank you
 Hi
 Good morning


[06:48] <Noskcaj> I'm going to make an Ubuntu themed PC, with many case mods. is it possible for me to get sponsored?
[07:00] <jared> Noskcaj: you'd have to put together a strong business case for it. They're not just going to hand out money to trick up a PC without getting something in return


[00:49] <swiss> ugh, does the "backup" option in system settings crash it for anyone else
[00:57] <darkxst> swiss, bug 1379446
[00:58] <swiss> ah, thanks, bummer
[00:58] <swiss> any current workaround? I didn't see any in the bug
[00:58] <darkxst> until that gets uploaded, you can just use the standalone app
[00:59] <swiss> deja-dupe-preferences
[00:59] <darkxst> deja-dup-preferences
[00:59] <swiss> thanks
[06:10] <mgedmin> TIL: 'boxes' is a different package from 'gnome-boxes'
[17:13] <Ctwx> Hello. I'm running Ubuntu GNOME 14.10 and I have a little issue. I can't change the brightness settings. On Unity it works. Any suggestions what I can do?
[17:47] <stemid> Ctwx: did you check your computers status in the hardware compatibility list? http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/
[17:47] <stemid> oh I missed that you said it worked in unity
[17:48] <ctwx> stemid: altough it worked on Unity, I didn't check the list. :S It's an Acer ES1-311-P1D5 it that helps.
[18:23] <ctwx> stemid: I started Ubuntu Unity on LiveUSB. brightness control works out of the box... Usually I'm not an Ubuntu user, so excuse this question: When I install Ubuntu 14.10 with Unity and install GNOME afterwards, will it be the same as in Ubuntu GNOME?
[23:54] <lindol> hi all
[23:56] <SonikkuAmerica> yo


[00:00] <Seeker`> !-seeker
[00:00] <Seeker`> woo
[00:00] <jussi01> !unforget seeker
[00:01] <jussi01> bwahhahahahah
[00:01] <jussi01> !seeker
[00:01] <jussi01> oh thats boring
[00:01] <Seeker`> !forget seeker
[00:01] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[00:01] <jussi01> Seeker`: @login ;)
[00:01] <Seeker`> @login
[00:01] <Seeker`> !forget Seeker
[00:02] <Seeker`> !forget seeker
[00:02] <Seeker`> :D
[00:02] <jussi01> hehe
[00:02] <Mez> @whywontyoulogmeinautomatically
[00:03] <jussi01> @becauseIdontlikeyou
[00:03] <jussi01> :P
[00:03] <Mez> @lart jussi01
[00:04] <jussi01> hahahah
[00:04] <jussi01> I disabled it
[00:04] <jussi01> and now its 2am, so bed time...
[00:05]  * genii puts on more coffee
[00:08] <Jack_Sparrow> nini
[03:15]  * genii sips
[07:27] <jinja-sheep> There lies a wandering boy in #ops channel.
[07:28] <jinja-sheep> Uh.... I want to let you guys know.... The message in !clone is not accurate or outdated.  There are no --disable-columns.  :)
[07:29] <jussi01> !clone
[07:29] <jussi01> !-clone
[07:30] <jussi01> jinja-sheep: Ill talk to ljl when he comes in and see. :)
[07:30] <jinja-sheep> jussi01:  Sure thing.  Not sure what you just did.  <_<
[07:30] <jussi01> jinja-sheep: all good, thanks for letting us know. anything else you need?
[07:31] <jinja-sheep> jussi01:  Have a good one.  See you later.
[07:31] <jinja-sheep> jussi01:  Not really.  Just wanted to let you guys know. If I thought of something, I'll come back anytime. ;o
[07:32] <jussi01> !idle | jinja-sheep
[07:37] <nickrud> wow, that's a major change to !clone. is dselect-upgrade depreciated now?
[07:38] <jussi01> nickrud: ljl was doing something with it. IMHO its very confusing and should link to a wiki page
[07:39] <nickrud> jussi01, dpkg --get-selections > mypackages , dpkg --set-selections with apt-get dselect-upgrade does it just fine.
[07:40] <jussi01> nickrud: there was some reason why that wasnt right, dont actually remember...
[07:40] <nickrud> plus I thought we were supposed to avoid using aptitude
[07:40] <nickrud> I hope not, I've been using that every time I did an install of the new release ;)
[07:43] <topyli> that method has been carved to my brain since about 1934. if it's changed, i'll file bugs! :)
[08:08] <Flannel> The dpkg method doesn't preserve which packages were manually installed vs brought in as depends
[08:08] <Flannel> so autoremove may not work completely after a reinstall using that method
[08:57] <Myrtti> hello
[09:01] <jussi01> hiya Myrtti
[09:26] <jpds> morning all.
[09:27] <jussi01> christel: ahh, I suspected that was the case. have fun with him.
[09:29] <christel> mmm
[10:09] <topyli> Flannel: good point
[10:32] <elkbuntu> who?
[10:35] <jussi01> elkbuntu: ?
[10:35] <elkbuntu> whoever chr istel was having fun with
[10:36] <jussi01> xixnix in #freenode
[10:39] <elkbuntu> ah
[10:40] <jussi01> did you read back?
[10:40] <elkbuntu> yeah
[10:40] <elkbuntu> only a bit though
[12:14] <HacKBoX> anybody see that factoid?
[12:20] <topyli> everyone sees it HacKBoX
[12:21] <HacKBoX> oh im sorry
[12:23] <HacKBoX> cheerio!
[14:02]  * jussi01 huggles christel
[14:20]  * christel hugs jussi01
[14:42]  * genii puts on a fresh pot of coffee
[14:51] <erUSUL> !clone
[14:52] <erUSUL> --disable-columns is not recogniced by intrepid's aptitude
[14:52] <erUSUL> not in my box at least
[14:53] <jussi01> erUSUL: yeah, we are looking at it.
[14:54] <erUSUL> ok; thanks. Bye and Happy New Year all <|8-)
[15:08] <jussi01> Jack_Sparrow: you need to fix your aliases...
[15:09] <Jack_Sparrow> jussi01, please explain, I am not quite awake
[15:09] <jussi01> Jack_Sparrow:  when you ban someone you need to remove them also...
[15:10] <Jack_Sparrow> Ah the script
[15:10] <Jack_Sparrow> I have him in pm at the moment
[15:12] <Jack_Sparrow> nm, he is just as rude there..
[15:13] <Jack_Sparrow> jussie There was an issue when I tried /cs  kb nick and I had not had time to sort it
[15:26] <Jack_Sparrow> I just found the greatest collection of tux icons, tux-firefox, and a thousand others that are just too cute..  http://tux.crystalxp.net/
[15:26] <Jack_Sparrow> Sorry, meant that for a different channel/person
[15:29] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[15:29] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[15:53] <Jack_Sparrow> Dam0 tried to kill a users system offering help in pm  rm....
[16:00] <nickrud> well, that's a lovely line to see, first thing in the morning
[16:01] <Jack_Sparrow> I made notes in the tracker on it
[16:01] <Jack_Sparrow> Morning nickrud
[16:02] <nickrud> morning. Other than that, it's a lovely Blue Sky, Ocean Breeze, Warm Day. Get out and Enjoy!
[16:03] <Jack_Sparrow> I am heading out to get a new chair this am.. and a couple of boxes to send out penguin mugs.. to a couple people..  hint hint
[16:56]  * jussi01 prods ikonia
[18:33] <jussi01> stdin: nalioth ping
[18:33] <jussi01> ththt: how can we help you today?
[18:36] <ththt> jussi01, nothing, thanks
[18:36] <jussi01> Im guessing he will be back...
[18:37] <jussi01> @bansearch ththt
[18:37] <jussi01> hrm...
[20:21] <nalioth> jussi01: pong?
[21:04]  * Myrtti feels herself
[21:04] <PriceChild> Myrtti: all there?
[21:04] <Myrtti> not sure
[21:05] <Myrtti> I bought a scale today.
[21:05] <Myrtti> I've gained about 20kg's since year and half ago August.
[21:05] <Myrtti> needless to say, I'm pissed.
[21:33] <nickspoon> I bet you still look great, Myrtti :)
[21:44] <Seeker`> nickspoon: suck up :P
[21:45] <nickspoon> Just because I can pay a girl a compliment...
[21:48] <Seeker`> :P
[21:59]  * nickrud_ thinks it's simple fear of the fluffy pens of doom
[22:11] <nickspoon> Possibly that.
[22:27]  * genii puts on a fresh pot of coffee
[22:28] <Seeker`> genii: I'd stick to normal clothes if i were you, coffee tends to burn if you wear it
[22:32] <genii> Seeker`: Especially McDonald's coffee....
[22:32]  * tritium wishes he had a nickel for each fresh pot of coffee genii put on...
[22:33] <tritium> :)
[22:34] <genii> tritium: I do actually drink far too much coffee
[22:34] <tritium> genii: there are far worse habits!
[22:34] <genii> I agree
[22:47] <genii> ikonia: Seems zumran is harassing divinebovine in pm
[22:47] <ikonia> yes, just trying to pick that up
[22:47] <ikonia> didnt know you where active
[22:47] <genii> riddell apparently too, although he's not in -ops
[22:48] <ikonia> just say you both active
[22:48] <ikonia> I was lagging behind you
[22:51] <genii> Ah
[23:21] <Slart> hello.. user tkzao just popped in to tell us all about that lovely "get visitors to the site to see the nekkid pics"-site
[23:22] <jpds> Great.
[23:23] <jpds> Slart: In PM?
[23:23] <Slart> jpds: nope.. just in the channel
[23:23] <jpds> Slart: Looks like he got #u-devel too.
[23:23] <Slart> jpds: he left right away.. so it's no emergency... but it seems he's still connected to the server..
[23:24] <Slart> and there he is again =)
[23:37] <rww> Hi! Can someone add a mention of #ubuntu-brainstorm to the !brainstorm factoid, please? As far as I can tell, Brainstorm discussion's supposed to be in there, not Ubuntu, so it seems like it'd make sense to have it in the factoid :)
[23:38] <rww> not #ubuntu **
[23:39] <Jack_Sparrow> rww, I thought there was one tagged suggestions etc?
[23:40] <rww> Jack_Sparrow: The only factoid I see that mentions brainstorm is !brainstorm.
[23:40] <rww> Jack_Sparrow: according to http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi?search=brainstorm , anyway.
[23:41] <Jack_Sparrow> noted.
[23:41] <Jack_Sparrow> there is one for bugs/wishes for the bots.. but not brainstorm
[23:43] <rww> Jack_Sparrow: oh, the !no, factoid is <reply> new factoid text syntax? Yeah, I tried that with !firewall the other day and nothing seemed to happen, so I wasn't sure if it still worked =/
[23:44] <Jack_Sparrow> rww, It sends them here for approval, they dont just go in automatically
[23:44] <rww> Jack_Sparrow: ah. makes sense, I guess.
[23:45] <Jack_Sparrow> It got out of control when we didnt check them first
[23:47] <Jack_Sparrow> Im in the miiddle of redoing my office..
[23:47] <rww> Ah, I see :)
[23:47] <rww> Okay, well, that was it, so I'll get going now...
[23:47] <rww> Thanks, Jack_Sparrow
[23:47] <Jack_Sparrow> Sorry, CLose to exhaustion atm.. up most of the night and just now getting my own systems up
[23:48] <Jack_Sparrow> rww np


[06:44] <MooDoo_> hello all
[07:11] <diplo> Morning
[07:11] <dwatkins> allo allo
[08:32] <mungbean> !ping
[08:33] <Gary> !chickens
[08:35] <mungbean> firefox kills my pc so badly i've taken to bookmarking all tabs and shutting it down every couple of days
[08:37] <MooDoo> any advance on chickens?
[08:37] <SuperMatt> I still can't comprehend why some people keep so many tabs open
[08:37] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: marinate in a soy sauce, place on grill?
[08:37] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: http://allrecipes.com/recipe/soy-and-garlic-marinated-chicken/
[08:37] <SuperMatt> I have tabs for "ongoing" stuff, like facebook, twitter, etc, and then normal browsing gets closed down all the time
[08:37] <popey> Morning all
[08:38] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: I work the same way
[08:38] <SuperMatt> morning Alan
[08:38] <andrewebdev> MooDoo, I use many critical webapps for my work, and I always have those tabs pinned in Chrome
[08:38] <MartijnVdS> When I'm on a "project" I can get to 20 tabs or so.. but then I start closing them
[08:38] <popey> I have a chromium user for each "personality" I have ☻
[08:38] <popey> home, work, uupc, and various odd twitter accounts
[08:38] <popey> I only have home open in the evening, with the work one open all day
[08:38] <SuperMatt> I still can't decide which browser to use
[08:38] <SuperMatt> which one is winning in the firefox/chromium debate right now?
[08:39] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: yes.
[08:39] <MooDoo> chrome will do me, although I heard chromium is going to be default in the next ubuntu release?
[08:39] <popey> with home and work only open I have  77 tabs open
[08:39] <andrewebdev> Personal preferance wins that debate :)
[08:39] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[08:39] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[08:39] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[08:39] <SuperMatt> sure, btu I'm talking about which one is going to be bundled by default with 13.10
[08:39] <andrewebdev> ha
[08:39] <andrewebdev> ah*
[08:40] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: chromium isn't it
[08:40] <MooDoo> ?
[08:40] <SuperMatt> I don't know
[08:40] <popey> a discussion was started on that
[08:40] <SuperMatt> but it hasn't been finished?
[08:41] <popey> i dunno if the switch has been made
[08:41] <MooDoo> do what MS did, don't install any browser, let the user install the one they want to use :D
[08:41] <popey> given chromium is still in universe, unlikely
[08:42] <mungbean> SuperMatt: researching a topic
[08:42] <mungbean> lots of resources and wiki pages
[08:42] <mungbean> all important to keep open
[08:42] <mungbean> until finished the work
[08:42] <brobostigon> also, chromium in my experience has always not really been kept upto date and recent, which is anther issue.
[08:43] <mungbean> about:memory hangs when i run it on firefox :(
[08:43] <mungbean> every couple of releases they say...new release is awesome and fixes all memory issues!
[08:43] <mungbean> faster than chrome!
[08:45] <mungbean> hmm...must be a memory leak somewhere...closed most apps and running 2.8GB used
[08:45] <popey> the performance is secondary, it's the multi-profile stuff in chromium i like
[08:45] <popey> which firefox doesn't seem to have
[08:47] <brobostigon> yes, an influence from chromium os.
[08:48] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Nelson Mandela Day! :-D
[08:49] <MooDoo> morning JamesTait
[08:49] <JamesTait> MooDoo, o/
[08:49] <JamesTait> How's life?
[08:49] <MooDoo> JamesTait: tired frustrated hay fever blah blah blah....things are great :D
[08:49] <brobostigon> morning JamesTait
[08:50] <mungbean> i usually get chronic hayfever but not this year \o/
[08:50] <JamesTait> brobostigon, o/
[08:50] <SuperMatt> on the browser wars, I love Firefox's ethos, I like chrom*'s new webapps thingy, don't like that chromium takes a little while to get updates, and don't like chrome's extreme ties to google
[08:50] <JamesTait> MooDoo, I don't suffer from hay fever, but can relate to the other two. ;)
[08:50] <brobostigon> my hey fever is pretty bad, my nose is sore and feels like a fountain.
[08:50] <SuperMatt> Maybe the answer is in using chromium for webapps and firefox for browsing
[08:50] <MooDoo> JamesTait: :)
[08:51] <mungbean> if you use the ctrl-K to search in firefox, are you sending most of your data to google anyway?
[08:51] <SuperMatt> I was seriously considering last night switching my searches over to yahoo
[08:51] <mungbean> i'd rather DDG than yahooters
[08:52]  * SuperMatt nods
[08:52] <brobostigon> 1info chromium-browser unstable
[08:52] <brobostigon> !info chromium-browser unstable
[08:53] <mungbean> got stuck on 18 for years
[08:53] <brobostigon> not too ancient.
[08:53] <popey> it was for a while brobostigon
[08:53] <brobostigon> popey: definatly. yes.
[08:54] <mungbean> i can't think of anything i search for that wouldn't want to show others
[08:54] <mungbean> but it can be used for profiling
[08:55] <brobostigon> !info chromium-browser experimental
[08:58] <Laney> dear god
[08:58] <Laney> I think this fan might be too big for the small room I'm putting it in
[08:58] <popey> the new chair?
[08:58] <Laney> the blades are the same size as my head
[08:59] <brobostigon> wow.
[08:59] <MooDoo> Laney: make sure you duck then ;)
[08:59] <Laney> not individually - the whole thing :P
[08:59] <popey> oh, fan
[08:59] <Laney> the chair fit in quite nicely
[09:03] <directhex> i'm cold :(
[09:04] <SuperMatt> hmmm
[09:04] <SuperMatt> ddg is much better than I seem to remember
[09:05] <MooDoo> directhex: what?
[09:07]  * popey goes to get a fan
[09:07] <directhex> MooDoo, 2 hours of aircon ponted at my back
[09:07] <MooDoo> directhex: ah!
[09:21] <MooDoo> directhex: /me sites under the air con, it's nice :D
[09:23] <Laney> oh yeahhhhh
[09:23] <Laney> this beast is pretty powerful
[09:25] <popey> i just got a face full of dust from mine
[09:27] <Laney> need to move it further away
[09:28] <Laney> '1' next to my shoulder is a bit much
[09:28] <popey> mine is 3, 3 feet away, rotating. might switch off rotate and just have it blast me in the face constantly
[09:39] <czajkowski> Laney: pic?
[09:44]  * Laney stabs U1
[09:44] <Laney> had to manually rotate it
[09:44] <Laney> czajkowski: http://ubuntuone.com/04P1ZR9uIssRvpd1KWT7Tn
[09:44] <Laney> not that a picture of a fan is very interesting ...
[09:45] <mungbean> do u1 provide support if you are customer of the free solution?
[09:46] <DJones> There is the #ubuntuone channel that will probably give some support to some issues
[09:46] <mungbean> i raised an email ticket about an issue
[09:46] <mungbean> few weeks ago
[09:50] <diplo> Hi guys, got a reseller account with a web host, trying to scp some files from one user to another on the same box but cgetting ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host so I guess they have a sshd setting to disallow it, any other thoughts on copying a dir of images from one user to another to save me downloading/uploading a few hundred meg of images
[09:50] <MooDoo> diplo: who's the host?
[09:50] <diplo> Compila.com
[09:50] <MooDoo> diplo: ah ok
[09:51] <diplo> Fairly shite, could probably ask them to do something but by the time they look at my ticket I could do it myself, tried su but thats denied as well. Think I'm out of options :)
[09:52]  * diplo can't wait till I order my dedicated server and run it myself!
[09:52] <czajkowski> if folks are running saucy and a a dropbox fan you may run into https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1193522  just a heads up
[09:52] <czajkowski> you will need to use it via the web
[09:53]  * AlanBell has run into that
[09:53] <AlanBell> one reason to ditch the dropbox and switch to sparkleshare
[09:54] <czajkowski> well I use U1 for everything tbh
[09:54] <czajkowski> but I do need dropbox for work so I'll just use the web
[09:54] <AlanBell> I had huge problems with U1 file sync, never worked properly for me
[09:55] <diplo> AlanBell: Do you store many binary files in sparkleshare ?
[09:55] <AlanBell> it is just nautilus that crashes with dropbox at the moment, you can open stuff from libreoffice file-open dialog or whatever
[09:56] <AlanBell> diplo: sure, 6.3G of stuff apparently
[09:57] <diplo> I read ages ago the downside for sparkleshare because it uses git was the replication takes a lot more space because of the binary data ?
[09:57] <AlanBell> actually that is over counting it, probably 3G or so for stuff
[09:57] <dwatkins> you know you've been away from the command line for too long when instead of typing 'apt-get' you type 'rpm'...
[09:57] <AlanBell> the .git directory is 2.8G
[09:58] <DJones> Heh, Either the Huaweu Ascen Y210 is a pretty poor phone, or the Talk Talk network must be pretty poor for them to be giving the phones away for free on a 2 year contract costing only £1.25/month for the 1st 6mths and even then it only goes up to £5/mth and thats with 100 minutes, 250 texts and 100Mb of data
[09:58] <AlanBell> so yes, there is more metadata, but I have a local full history tree, and I don't really care about space that much
[09:59] <AlanBell> DJones: the Huawei Y300 is a rather good phone, dunno about the Y210
[09:59] <MartijnVdS> And, instead of the NSA listening in, you get the Chinese version!
[09:59] <diplo> I may give it a try again ta
[10:00] <DJones> Android 2.3......
[10:01] <DJones> That may explain it
[10:01] <popey> crusty
[10:01] <AlanBell> it will work fine for a lot of people
[10:01] <DJones> I guess for somebody looking for a basic phone it would be ideal though
[10:03] <DJones> I was tempted to have a closer look at it for my wife, she hates her current phone
[10:03] <Gary> it'd work well for a phone for kids I think
[10:04] <DJones> Nah, its only 100 minutes & 250 texts, that'd be used inside the first day
[10:04] <mungbean> i use about 3 minutes per month
[10:04] <mungbean> and 10 texts
[10:05] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:05] <mungbean> the difference between android 2.3 and later versions is not that great
[10:05] <popey> i installed an app on my android phone to keep track of usage
[10:05] <popey> it's rather good
[10:05] <mungbean> my giffgaff network automatically does that
[10:05] <Gary> ah, yeah it's a contract.  I've got my fosterkid a payg sim from giffgaff and pay a set tenner a month for a goodybag, if he goes over he loses the ability to call till the next cycle
[10:05] <davmor2> popey: watchdog?
[10:05] <popey> Onavo
[10:05] <AlanBell> depending on the kids in question the contract would be fine, but bigger screen is good for games
[10:06] <DJones> IT'd be perfect my parents, they each have a mobile phone, 95% of the time they leave it in a drawer at home, the 5% of the time they take it with them, they only switch it on when they want to send a text/make a call and then turn it off again
[10:06] <mungbean> gary, i'm on the 7.50 giffgaff, pretty good
[10:06] <popey> as you install/upgrade apps it lets you know if they're known "data hogs"
[10:06] <popey> and keeps track of your data usage, you can block apps
[10:06] <popey> it's rather natty
[10:06] <AlanBell> we switched from giffgaff to a £7.50/month contract and free Y300
[10:06] <Gary> mungbean: yeah, I might move to that myself, but Dan would probably want more, so for an extra two pound fifty it makes more sense to do the tenner
[10:07] <popey> how much data do you get with the giffgaff 7.50?
[10:07] <Gary> http://giffgaff.com/goodybags  250mb popey
[10:08] <popey> blimey
[10:08] <DJones> In normal usage, the only data hog I find are app updates so I'#ve set that to only update on wifi, unless I'm driving somewhere I'm normally connected to a wifi network
[10:08] <popey> the 12 quid one is good!
[10:08] <mungbean> yes, although i'm on wifi most of the day
[10:08] <mungbean> so 250mb suits me
[10:08] <mungbean> monthly recurring meeans i could always get a 12 quid one for holiday
[10:09] <diplo> I'm surprised at how much data I use as I'm on wifi all day as well
[10:09] <AlanBell> http://www.carphonewarehouse.com/buy/HUAWEI_Y300_KM072_FCON is the deal my daughter has
[10:09] <mungbean> let me know if you want a GG sim and i'll give you my referral link :P
[10:09] <diplo> but stayed on the £10 package for now, but may upgrade to the £12 for the tethering option
[10:09] <Gary> no, use my link!
[10:09] <popey> according to Ovano I am on day 18 of 31 and used 60.1MB of 250MB
[10:09] <diplo> NO, use my link!
[10:09] <diplo> :D
[10:09]  * popey ordered a sim
[10:09] <mungbean> noooo
[10:09] <Gary> noooo
[10:09]  * brobostigon has three's no fup unlimited data, woop :)
[10:10] <mungbean> http://giffgaff.com/orders/affiliate/oimon
[10:10] <Gary> popey: if you use someones link, they get 500 points and you get a free fiver of credit!
[10:10] <mungbean> use that and you get £5 credit too
[10:10] <popey> too late ☻
[10:10] <mungbean> order another
[10:10]  * diplo is sure popey was the one who got me on GiffGaff in the first place
[10:10] <mungbean> freeee credit....freeee credit
[10:10] <popey> diplo: i have had one in the past, when it first started
[10:10] <DJones> popey: I just use battery indicator for the same thing, according to that, I'm on day 8 and have used 39.4Mb of 500Mb
[10:11] <mungbean> gonna be sad when my phone eventually dies as buying new phones outright is £££
[10:11] <popey> going to phone orange now and tell them I'm going to giffgaff
[10:11] <popey> see what they say
[10:11] <diplo> hmm only used 70mb in the last 2 weeks, normally double/triple that
[10:11] <Gary> bye, probably
[10:12] <popey> yeah
[10:12] <popey> been with them since 1995
[10:12] <mungbean> thats what tmob said
[10:12] <DJones> Actually, its not battery indicator, its 3G watchdog
[10:13] <popey> how about roaming?
[10:13] <Gary> that'd probably cost a lot
[10:14] <popey> "If you're thinking of leaving orange, press 2"
[10:14] <Gary> http://giffgaff.com/index/international  24p a min
[10:15] <Gary> data roaming 45p min
[10:17] <diplo> OK next question for the day, I've written a python script in the past using fabric to check remote hosts svn info, a colleague would like that done on the intranet. Anyone succesfully used ssh2 php module or any other suggestions ?
[10:18] <popey> haha, sales patter
[10:18] <AlanBell> I am thinking of getting a french data sim and just doing voip instead of roaming
[10:18] <AlanBell> if I want to talk to anyone, which I probably don't
[10:19] <brobostigon> woop, i just looked at the rpi thats acting as a wifi AP here, and 103days uptime, yay.
[10:20] <Gary> popey: I *tried* not to sound like a sales droid, or is that comment in reference to orange?
[10:21] <popey> yes
[10:21] <popey> she's trying to change tarrif
[10:21] <popey> gave me the "giffgaff doesn't have their own network" patter
[10:21] <Gary> if they match it, it'll be tied in for 18/24 months
[10:22] <Gary> it's a molp or whatever on o2
[10:22] <Gary> (so if you get crap o2 signal, it's a bad idea to go giffgaff)
[10:27] <popey> so, she said they flat out cant compete with giffgaff, then tried to disparage them
[10:27] <popey> "if it goes down you cant phone anyone"
[10:28] <mungbean> LOL
[10:28] <popey> to which i said "if orange goes down I never phone anyone"
[10:28] <mungbean> "are you saying you're better than o2"
[10:28] <popey> she said they can give me up to 1.5GB/mo for ~21 quid
[10:28] <mungbean> failzors
[10:28] <mungbean> tmob didn't even try with my missis
[10:28] <mungbean> they said, fair do's
[10:28] <mungbean> wont even try to offer u
[10:28] <popey> i think it depends how you approach it
[10:29] <Gary> I don't use more than 60mb a month as is (over the cell network)
[10:29] <mungbean> everything about GG is better IMO
[10:29] <MartijnVdS> I'm waiting for the day that data caps go away
[10:29]  * AlanBell just ordered a french SIM card
[10:29] <mungbean> their website means i don't have to call people
[10:29] <Gary> I've had over 70 quid back from giffgaff via "helping" people on the forums
[10:29] <MartijnVdS> I mean.. yay 50mbit 4G. But not even a full minute of full use before you hit the cap
[10:30] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: Le card de MIS?
[10:30] <mungbean> Gary: how much do you get paid for each "help"?
[10:30] <Gary> most of that was chatting crap in the social channel!
[10:30] <AlanBell> one of these http://www.lefrenchmobile.com/en/order-sim-card-for-france.html
[10:30] <Gary> mungbean: no idea, but one month I assisted helpfully twice and made 30 quid!
[10:30] <mungbean> wow
[10:30] <diplo> I can answer a lot of Q's on giffgaff but I never sign in :P
[10:30] <mungbean> surely there must be people all over that
[10:30] <Gary> no idea how they worked that out!
[10:31] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: do you know this? http://prepaidwithdata.wikia.com/wiki/Prepaid_SIM_with_data
[10:31] <diplo> and tbh, I found all my stuff via google
[10:32] <Gary> there is a guy on the forums who used to (before he left uni or something) make a very decent living off giffgaff, in the order of thousands of quid a cycle (as it's paid out in a weird cycle, not monthly)
[10:32] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: yeah, it is one of the providers on there
[10:32] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: apparently LeFrenchMobile also has Belgian SIMs.. hmmm
[10:32] <diplo> Blimey Gary, maybe I should make more of an effort :D
[10:32] <MartijnVdS> Interesting
[10:33] <AlanBell> I will get a 500MB data bundle and see how it goes
[10:34] <Gary> diplo: the forums can however be a bit overwhelming, too many people trying to answer each question can happen
[10:34] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: I used less than that in a week in the UK
[10:34] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: and I was using google nav *all* the time
[10:34] <popey> AlanBell: why a french sim?
[10:34] <AlanBell> basically I use data more than calls, but I should be able to use sipdroid to have my phone as an extension on our PBX
[10:34] <popey> wont that be roaming over here?
[10:35] <AlanBell> I won't be using it here :)
[10:35] <popey> ah
[10:35] <AlanBell> I will be in france for a week
[10:35] <AlanBell> my theory is that voip over 3g is better than roaming on your own SIM
[10:36] <AlanBell> popey: is there a SIP or IAX client for the Ubuntu Phone yet/in the works?
[10:37] <popey> not that I am aware of
[10:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> sflphone compiles on arm I believe. According to some discussions on their mailling list recently. Someone trying to use it on a RPi.
[10:38] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: do you have one of those wifi/mifi things to put it in?
[10:38] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: or are you sticking it in your phone?
[10:39] <AlanBell> I will put it in the phone
[10:39]  * MartijnVdS has a Huawei E586
[10:39] <davmor2> AlanBell: there is a kde telepathy client so there is a possiblity of using sofia-sip as telepathy is on the phone and then maybe through together a qt client based on the kde one maybe?
[10:40] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: It should be integrated, so you can choose to use SIP or "mobile network" for a call
[10:41] <AlanBell> I still think a good niche would be to use SIP as the primary dialer
[10:43] <mungbean> i work in an office with good wifi and poor mobile
[10:43] <mungbean> a lot of london does too
[10:43] <MartijnVdS> same for me, though wifi is flaky
[10:44] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: I will put it in one of the phones (probably mine) and then share it over wifi to all the other three phones, tablet and laptop that we will have
[10:44] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: "don't wander off, or you'll lose the call" :)
[10:45] <AlanBell> mungbean: yeah, it would mean that the phone would integrate with your PBX as a proper extension, and there would be no roaming, just get a local data SIM
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> in the Netherlands, there's a net neutrality law, so providers can't even throttle or block SIP traffic anymore
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> (they used to charge more for SIP-capable plans)
[10:50] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:51] <MartijnVdS> afternoon, bigcalm
[10:51] <bigcalm> Anybody fancy helping me route specific traffic via a VPN?
[10:51] <bigcalm> I'm confused
[10:51] <bigcalm> Hi MartijnVdS
[10:51] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: sure, what do you want to do?
[10:51] <bigcalm> I have a VPN set up between a Rackspace firewall and an ADSL router
[10:52] <MartijnVdS> what kind of VPN
[10:52] <bigcalm> IPsec
[10:52] <MartijnVdS> *shudder8
[10:52] <bigcalm> :Z
[10:52] <bigcalm> Well, the ADSL router says that the VPN is working. But I don't know how to route traffic though it
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: is it tunnel-mode (each end has an extra IP) or transport mode?
[10:53] <bigcalm> Well, the ADSL end has an extra IP of <IP_ADDRESS>, but I don't think that there is an extra IP address on the server
[10:54] <bigcalm> I will stop starting my sentences with 'Well'. It's making me sound like davmor2
[10:54] <Dave2> So, what will you replace it with?
[10:54] <bigcalm> :D
[10:55] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: in that case.. I don't know :( Not much experience with ipsec
[10:55] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: I tend to use OpenVPN
[10:55]  * popey stabs Dave2
[10:56] <popey> he knew it was coming
[10:56] <popey> stoppit Dave2
[10:56] <Dave2> stoppit and tidyup?
[10:56] <davmor2> bigcalm:  actually it (deep breath in) Well..............  have a slap for your inaccuracy :P
[10:56] <Dave2> bigcalm: I assume you've got to set up routing rules on your router
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> Vell..
[10:57] <Dave2> if it were a simple Linux box with a dedicated box it'd mainly be a case of "ip r add to <ip> dev <device> via <gateway IP>"
[10:57] <bigcalm> davmor2: aww, sorry :P
[10:57] <Dave2> or some variation on that that works, that may be slightly off
[10:57] <Dave2> er, with a dedicated device for the VPN is what I meant to say
[10:58] <bigcalm> I see
[11:00] <neuro> happy afternoon all
[11:00] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: now sounds like the Herr Flick of the Gestapo from Allo, Allo
[11:00] <Gary> davmor2: \o/
[11:00] <Gary> or should that be \o
[11:01]  * Gary hides
[11:01] <MartijnVdS> neuro: merry midday to you to!
[11:01] <neuro> merry merry merry!
[11:03]  * brobostigon does a minetest compile again, for curiosity, how things have evolved.
[11:06] <diplo> bigcalm: In my router ( Draytek ) we connect lan to lan over ipsec vpn, we just put the route we are connecting to in the configuration
[11:06] <diplo> And then add routes to hosts after
[11:08] <bigcalm> diplo: this is a DrayTek Vigor2710 \o/
[11:08] <bigcalm> Can you explain what you mean by putting in the route?
[11:09] <neuro> it puts the route in the basket
[11:09] <neuro> or it gets the hose again
[11:09] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:10] <diplo> http://kb.cyberoam.com/default.asp?id=1227
[11:10] <diplo> Like that
[11:10] <diplo> Remote network internal IP is the bit you probably require
[11:10] <bigcalm> diplo: thank you :)
[11:16] <bigcalm> diplo: that page explains how to set up the VPN. We already have that working. I need to know how to route via the VPN
[11:17] <diplo> So you have the internal IP at the end of the settings?
[11:18] <diplo> TCP/IP Network settings, remote mask remote ip etc
[11:18] <diplo> All I do after that is add the route back to my machine at the other end unless it's using the same gateway that the vpn goes out on
[11:19] <diplo> We have 4 lines, some servers use different lines, so on each box I'll do route add -network <IP_ADDRESS>/24 gw <gwip>
[11:19] <diplo> That's it, works
[11:19] <bigcalm> That's the last bit I didn't know about, thank you :)
[11:20] <MartijnVdS> once you get it working, please blog about it :)
[11:20] <bigcalm> Hehe
[11:21] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: the link that diplo pasted works to get the VPN working between sites. I'll try and blog about the extra bits for routing...
[11:21] <diplo> Ah, Dave2 mentioned that above bigcalm, so guessed you had tried that
[11:21] <diplo> Draytek site has loads of info about it, very helpful
[11:22] <bigcalm> I have little networking knowledge, so it's difficult to know what the correct search terms are
[11:22] <bigcalm> Asking on IRC is working so far though :)
[11:22] <diplo> site:draytek.co.uk ipsec vpn lan to lan I think I probably search googly for
[11:23] <diplo> I found their site not that great to find stuff on
[11:23] <diplo> But it *does* have a wealth of info if you can find it.
[11:25] <mungbean> trying to compile for my massively expensive coprocessor
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: Nvidia gpu?
[11:26] <mungbean> intel phi
[11:26] <mungbean> about £5k worth in each server
[11:26] <mungbean> thats a lot of bitcoins
[11:27] <Dave2> diplo: needs moar iprout2
[11:27] <bigcalm> Looks like it might be a static route that I want to configure
[11:27] <Dave2> iproute2
[11:27] <Dave2> (which I mainly use because I have fancy routing tables and stuff.)
[11:28] <Dave2> (and because the non-iproute2 way of doing things is deprecated)
[11:28] <diplo> bigcalm: What OS ?
[11:29] <bigcalm> diplo: linux. But also on little black box called an X4
[11:30] <diplo> meant distro really, as different ways of adding static routes on different distros
[11:30] <diplo> so CentOS it's route-eth<#>
[11:30] <diplo> in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ I think from memory
[11:30] <diplo> Not sure if I've ever had to add a static route on ubuntu yet :)
[11:31] <bigcalm> On the server end it's an ubuntu install. On the ADSL end, it's Debian
[11:31] <bigcalm> On the X4, it's whatever iDigi make
[11:32] <diplo> If the servers are using the same gateways as the vpn you shouldn't need to add the routes though
[11:32] <bigcalm> Okay
[11:33] <bigcalm> "...each box I'll do route add -network <IP_ADDRESS>/24 gw <gwip>"
[11:33]  * Dave2 winces at non-iproute2 again :(
[11:33] <bigcalm> gwip being the IP address provided by the VPN?
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> ip route add!
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> not "route add"
[11:34] <bigcalm> Or the LAN IP of the router? <IP_ADDRESS> I think
[11:35] <bigcalm> Oh balls. I don't have root on the debian machine. Don't think I can add routes
[11:37] <bigcalm> Networking is doing my head in :(
[11:38] <Dave2> If you don't have root you're probably not going to get very far
[11:39] <bigcalm> Oh, I have SSH access to the X4 device. And I can set static routes via its web interface
[11:39] <bigcalm> Hopefully I can do my testing from there
[11:41] <bigcalm> Oh, it's a weird shell
[11:41] <bigcalm> Very limited
[11:42]  * bigcalm sends a request to boss to have root access to his home server
[11:46] <bigcalm> When adding a static route, what is Metric for?
[12:04] <diplo> never used it myself but from a quick look it looks like priority of traffic
[12:05] <diplo> The simplest example of a metric is the weight value. Many different routers can use static routes and static routes can be assigned a weight. Higher weight means higher cost. This allows the administrator to create several routes to a destination and then set them up so that one will be preferred over the others
[12:05] <diplo> Probably more needed in high availability / bandwith heavy stuff I guess
[12:50] <dogmatic69> found a small bug 1202662
[12:52] <brobostigon> !info minetest
[12:52] <brobostigon> !info minetest unstable
[13:05] <dogmatic69> anyone know how I can get this working? http://bin.cakedc.com/view/802584391
[13:05] <dogmatic69> there are some redirects and it complains about the certificate
[13:06] <dogmatic69> I tried the '--no-check-certificate' option but it just complains then: 'E: Command line option --no-check-certificate is not understood'
[13:06] <diplo> dogmatic69: cakedc requires login
[13:07] <dogmatic69> diplo: wrong pate bin, one sec
[13:07] <dogmatic69> http://bin.cakephp.org/view/1504967342
[13:07] <diplo> Don't work with Cake, but can take a look.. think bigcalm works with Symphony that maybe closer
[13:07] <dogmatic69> its nothing to do with cake
[13:08] <dogmatic69> just using the bin :D
[13:08] <diplo> Ah, just saw the url :D
[13:08] <dogmatic69> trying to install java7
[13:08] <bigcalm> diplo: I have to manage 2 CakePHP 1.1 apps and several Symfony 1-2 apps. But I'd rather keep away from CakePHP ;)
[13:08] <diplo> :P
[13:09] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: well 1.1 was about 25 years ago :P
[13:09] <dogmatic69> I would not touch it tbh
[13:09] <dogmatic69> 2.4 is cool though
[13:09] <MartijnVdS> ♫ it was 20 years ago today?
[13:09] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: budget and time...
[13:09] <dogmatic69> ye
[13:10] <dogmatic69> I cant find anything on google for this problem, nothing about the option to ignore either
[13:10] <diplo> Take it you're trying to use this guys ppa to install ?
[13:10] <dogmatic69> ye
[13:10] <dogmatic69> ppa:webupd8team/java
[13:11] <diplo> JJust wget'd that file without any options.
[13:11] <diplo> Worth looking at what the script is parsing I guess
[13:12] <dogmatic69> Why does the provided workaround not work?
[13:12] <dogmatic69> surely that is a bug?
[13:13] <bigcalm> My goodness I get though a lot of chewing gum. I wonder if it's healthy...
[13:18] <diplo> Looks like it grabs a preinst script dogmatic69, not putting it on this machine so haven't looked yet
[13:18] <diplo> Can you open edit what it installed and change it ?
[13:18] <dogmatic69> If you could give me the details
[13:18] <diplo> Or just grab manually from oracle.com and just run update-alternatives ( Close to that command )
[13:21] <diplo> Just looking at your add-apt it's looking for oneric, but you're using precise ?
[13:22] <dogmatic69> diplo: I downloaded the tar.gz file its complaining about...
[13:22] <dogmatic69> not sure what to do really
[13:23] <diplo> A note (hopefully temporary) about the Eugene San PPA for those who are attempting to use it and are having issues: As of the time of this entry, the eugenesan/java PPA is broken. If you have attempted to use it, you may do the following to remove it and use webupd8.org's PPA method (above) instead
[13:23] <diplo> From here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[13:23] <diplo> Tells you how to install on that page manually
[13:36] <dogmatic69> diplo: when I try purge it does the same redirect error :/
[13:36] <dogmatic69> will just use the rm method listed there...
[13:37] <dogmatic69> ah, now working again :)
[13:38] <christel> /13
[13:38] <christel> er
[13:38] <MartijnVdS> \o christel
[13:39] <christel> hello loveliness <3
[13:41] <bigcalm> Hey christel :)
[13:42] <brobostigon> yay, minetest server updated and running, woop.
[13:45] <bigcalm> Minecraft?
[13:45] <brobostigon> no.
[13:46] <bigcalm> Aww
[13:46] <brobostigon> for starters, it is c++ insted of java. and it is OSS, unlike minecraft.
[13:46] <bigcalm> :)
[13:47] <popey> and not as good ☻
[13:48] <brobostigon> works pretty well here.
[13:48] <popey> it may well work well. it's still not as good
[13:48] <bigcalm> :D
[13:49] <davmor2> christel: hello long time no see :)
[13:49] <brobostigon> ohwll, i am happy with it, and it is there if anyone wants to try it,
[13:53] <davmor2> popey: I still don't believe you don't have a minecraft app for the phone I'd of thought a core app if ever there was one ;)
[13:54] <shauno> last I looked mc-mobile was terribad :/
[13:55] <brobostigon> also minecraft pe, can only conenct to its own server, or local network servers, thats it.
[13:55] <brobostigon> pretty bad.
[13:56] <shauno> that's quite a leap from last I tried it, actually.  there was no multiplayer at all
[13:56] <popey> yeah, my kids play together cross multiple devices
[13:57] <davmor2> brobostigon: however fairly secure for novice users who don't want to be on the pervert/stalker server ;)
[13:57] <brobostigon> davmor2: or any normal outside minecraft server at all.
[13:58] <popey> well, to be fair development on Minecraft PE started about 3 years after Minecraft
[13:58] <popey> so it's a bit behind in a number of ways
[13:59] <popey> but catching up
[14:00] <brobostigon> ok, fair enough.
[14:03] <davmor2> man it's getting a bit chilly in here since I got the aircon unit out of the cupboard and turned it on  ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[14:05] <bigcalm> Goit
[14:39] <davmor2> bigcalm: you can buy a unit too you know :P
[14:39] <bigcalm> I have an evaporating air con that makes everything damp to the touch. It's humid enough in here
[14:40] <nimesh> does anyone know of a good screen and voice recorder for low end laptops with low cpu usage
[14:40] <davmor2> bigcalm: I have aircon/dehumidifer/fan only
[14:41] <popey> i have one of those wheel-about air con things with the hose you put out the window
[14:41] <popey> but it's out in the garage, and it's hot out there
[14:42] <popey> so can't be bothered to get it
[14:42] <davmor2> popey: that's what I have I couldn't cope with the heat and humidity levels today
[14:43] <davmor2> popey, bigcalm: took the wife to the hospital to see her Mom it was 42 in the car I was dripping wet by the time I got back to the flat
[14:44] <popey> yowzer
[14:45] <davmor2> best of it is it's such a short journey that the aircon had only just started to lower the temperature sensibly by the time I got out of the car :(
[14:45] <bigcalm> Eugh
[14:45] <nimesh> does anyone know of a good screen and voice recorder for low end laptops with low cpu usage
[14:45] <bigcalm> I start feeling good and cold air coming from the vents after about 7 mins I think
[14:46] <bigcalm> nimesh: employ a street urchin to read the screen for you?
[14:47] <Dave2> I like being able to go "ha ha" at people who work from home
[14:47]  * Dave2 sits in air conditioned office.
[14:47] <nimesh> is there anyone here reasonable to as a question
[14:47]  * Dave2 will cycle to air conditioned gym
[14:47] <nimesh> is there anyone here reasonable to as a answer
[14:47] <nimesh> on linux ubuntu
[14:47] <davmor2> bigcalm: it was blowing cold air it just took the 15 minutes to get it from 42 to 36
[14:47] <davmor2> nimesh: people will answer if they can
[14:48] <bigcalm> I hope I don't melt at badminton tonight
[14:48] <bigcalm> Looking forward to the guys laughing at my racket
[14:49] <davmor2> nimesh: the 2 main ones are recordmtdesktop and kazaam what they are like mem and cpu usage wise I have no idea.
[14:49] <nimesh> ok thanz for that
[15:19] <mungbean> if i enlarge a 1 page PDF by 60% and print, i only get the first page, rather than 4 pages which i could selloptape toghether - any ideas?
[15:19] <mungbean> the first page gets enalrged but obviously cropped
[15:32] <nimesh_> hi
[15:33] <nimesh_> i need urgent help after installed ubuntu my laptop fan has stopped
[15:34] <nimesh_> i need urgent help after installed ubuntu my laptop fan has stopped
[15:41] <AlanBell> nimesh_: normally that  all just works, but you could try sudo pwmconfig
[15:42] <AlanBell> which is a big heap of questions that builds a profile and sets up power management relating to sensors
[15:42] <AlanBell> http://tuxtweaks.com/2008/08/how-to-control-fan-speeds-in-ubuntu/
[15:42] <AlanBell> but normally that is for slowing down constantly on noisy fans
[15:44] <czajkowski> popey: you haz mail :)
[15:45]  * davmor2 intercepts czajkowski mail deletes all the important words and just leaves the "the, and,a's" in
[15:46] <czajkowski> bah
[15:47] <davmor2> czajkowski: hello how's you?
[15:47] <czajkowski> not bad now sunshine :)
[15:47] <czajkowski> hows you my pretty davmor2
[15:48]  * davmor2 pictures that end of that line being "and your little dog tooo"
[15:48] <davmor2> czajkowski: nice an cool I turned the aircon on
[15:48] <czajkowski> office here at home is in the shade all day :)
[15:48] <czajkowski> have windows open and nice breee
[15:48] <czajkowski> *breeze
[15:49] <nimesh_> sudo pwmconfig does not work
[15:54]  * neuro does the unhappy dance
[15:54] <neuro> looks like my airport extreme has died on its arse :(
[15:55] <neuro> time for a wee trip to the apple store :(
[15:57] <shauno> nice excuse to upgrace to ac.  shame the new ones look stupid though
[16:02] <neuro> yeah, they look like someone's sellotaped half a dozen apple TVs together and painted it white
[16:02] <neuro> "APPEL TV TOWERZ LOL ZOMG"
[16:03] <neuro> i really wish the new airport express had GigE though
[16:05] <bigcalm> I see this a lot when failing to type correctly. Is there a way to reset a counter or something? Received disconnect from #.#.#.#: 2: Too many authentication failures for iain
[16:05] <shauno> yeah, that's quite silly.  I can't believe they're selling brand new APs that are slower than my internet
[16:06] <neuro> i can't believe they're selling brand new APs where the wired speed is slower than the wireless speed
[16:06] <neuro> my current extreme is nearly 4.5 yrs old
[16:06] <neuro> i guess it was due
[16:15]  * Laney waits for offlineimap to die syncing 3159 deletions
[16:28] <MartijnVdS> yay
[16:28]  * MartijnVdS has a proper VLAN trunk running through his house 8-)
[16:28] <neuro> oh dear, ubuntu.com is being all cryptic again
[16:29] <MartijnVdS> popey: will know what it's about
[16:44] <popey> hehe
[16:45]  * bigcalm looks and ponders
[16:47] <Laney> looks like a train track to me
[16:48] <bigcalm> Ubuntu trains?
[16:52] <Laney> on the railroad to success
[16:52] <popey> Choo choo!
[17:03] <ahayzen> popey, bug 1202730 certainly looks interesting lol ;)
[17:14] <davmor2> I love that popey thinks he is a train from time to time :)
[17:16] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: at least he's not an airplane
[17:18] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: haha
[17:42] <MartijnVdS> Deciding to blog tech stuff was a good idea. It forces me to think about my projects in a more structured way
[17:42] <MartijnVdS> (home/hobby projects)
[18:03] <penguin42> anything fun?
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: well I did the WPA-Enterprise post last week
[18:04] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: currently writing about a "tap" OpenVPN bridged with a vlan on each side, so I can pretend it's one big ethernet :)
[18:04] <MartijnVdS> except in better words and proper sentences ;)
[18:04] <penguin42> nod


[09:17] <ogra_> "For ARM hardware for which we do not ship preinstalled images, see ARM/Server/Install for detailed installation information. " ....
[09:17]  * ogra_ wonders who has hacked that into the html header of *all* cdimage download pages
[09:20] <ogra_> oh, bzr blame say that was skaet
[09:20] <ogra_> *says
[09:24] <cjwatson> Ugh, yeah, that should be more careful
[09:25] <ogra_> well, its at least limited to the ubuntu project, not sure how we determine if there are any arm images in that dir so that we could make it conditional
[09:26] <cjwatson> could always just keep a note in a variable somewhere
[09:27] <ogra_> though i thionk flipping it from "ubuntu" to "ubuntu-server" would already suffice
[09:54]  * infinity does his morning spam cleaning of the ubuntu-archive moderation queue.


[12:18] <jcastro> mamarley: ricotz: tseliot: I've added an agenda to the next Techboard meeting on Tuesday to discuss how best to proceed
[13:12] <tseliot> jcastro: ok, thanks
[14:58] <ogra_> did xorg lose support for using the void driver for keyboards ?
[14:59] <ogra_> i'm tryin to brin up xorg in a snappy setup, did set the driver to void but xorg still tries to compile a keymap and fails on that


[07:36] <elacheche> morning @*
[07:37] <nhaines> Good morning!
[08:09] <dholbach> good morning
[08:11] <nhaines> Good morning!
[08:12] <nhaines> Today I'm excited because this exists: https://www.amazon.com/author/nathanhaines although I'm still in the process of writing the book!
[10:04] <Volpsi> Bom dia
[10:05] <Volpsi> Será que há aqui alguem eu me possa ajudar com uma duvida?
[10:09] <nhaines> Volpsi: good morning!
[10:09] <nhaines> I can try to answer any questions you might have, but I don't speak Portuguese.  :)
[10:09] <nhaines> !pt
[10:10] <nhaines> This might *also* be helpful, but feel free to ask here as well if you like.
[10:27] <Volpsi> ok, thanks
[10:28] <nhaines> Volpsi: either way good luck. :)
[10:28] <Volpsi> i just whant to know if it`s possible to install the ubuntu OS in my smartphone?
[10:29] <nhaines> This channel is for discussion about Ubuntu Local Community Teams and Ubuntu advocacy.  You'd have to ask in #ubuntu-touch.
[10:29] <nhaines> But the truth is that unless you have a Nexus 4 or Nexus 5, the answer is probably no.
[10:29] <nhaines> !devices
[10:30] <Volpsi> ok thanks


[00:21] <guiverc> adam conrad's final freeze announcement go to fridge??  (i can do it, if it belongs there!)
[00:21] <tsimonq2> guiverc: Yes please
[00:21] <tsimonq2> It would be good to follow the format of 17.04's Final Beta announcement ;)
[00:35] <guiverc_> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2017/10/13/artful-aardvark-17-10-final-freeze/  (published before I wanted; hit wrong button when I wanted to re-preview adjusting \n's to make consistent.. looks ok I think) looks ok)
[00:38] <tsimonq2> guiverc: Looks good, I would just link the original mailing list post :)
[00:44] <guiverc> ack - found url. now looking for eg. for format....
[00:48] <guiverc> didn't find example (was looking for text around link), so link alone added before final 'originally posted..'
[04:14] <guiverc_d> q:  17.10 artful freeze notice belong in uwn?  (general) or no?
[04:30] <guiverc_d> q:  community.ubu notices - place where?  planet may be closest; blogo seems wrong, eg. https://community.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-17-10-community-iso-testing/458
[04:41] <guiverc_d> for now - i've created a new section "the hub" (currently before 'the planet')


[01:50] <nhaines> geom_: I don't recognize your nick.  :)
[01:52] <nhaines> The Ubuntu Advocacy Kit name badges are the ones I designed and put in there.  :)
[01:54] <nhaines> geom_: we had three tablecloths at SCALE.  One of ours, Ubuntu Peru's, and apparently Canonical shipped a banner and tablecloth to Michael Hall for the conference.  So Michael was asking whose it was, and then DonkeyHotei asked if we had an Ubuntu California-branded banner.
[02:15] <nhaines> geom_: oh, I was asking Michael Hall if he thought a vertical pop-up sign was a reasonable community fund request, maybe that's what you overheard.
[02:39] <nhaines> pleia2: spoiler alert, he thought it was a good request.
[02:40] <nhaines> And I didn't know you had the old banner, so that's good news.  :)
[03:51] <DonkeyHotei> is geom_ george?
[03:51] <ianorlin> still logged in but might not be active
[03:52] <DonkeyHotei> it's a yes/no question
[03:52] <ianorlin> oh opps misread that
[06:32] <geom_> nhaines:  I did hear something about a pop up sign, but I was thinking of the lab, my friend.
[06:32] <nhaines> geom_: That's the one in Huntington Beach?
[06:33] <geom_> Just gettting home from tax season.  Have to go to dinner!  :-)   be back later...
[06:39] <DonkeyHotei> is geom_ george?
[06:43]  * ianorlin doesn't know who geom is
[06:43] <DonkeyHotei> i was wondering whether it might be george from the booth
[15:11] <geom_> Yes, geo for George and M for my last name, Mulak.  pronounced Muel-ak
[15:13] <geom_> nhaines:  I had to chose it a long time ago.  a shortening of my name.  I sometimes use it as initials.  Sorry about that.  I don't know how to run this on multiple devices like you do.\
[15:13] <geom_> nhaines:  Yes, the name badges are nice, appreciate it.
[15:23] <geom_> nhaines:  I wore mine!
[16:12] <nhaines> I left mine safe at home!  But it worked out.  :)
[16:27] <nhaines> geom_: when you get a chance, could you email Michael Hall and me with the TV rental info?
[17:57] <geom_> nhaines:  I'll send the TV info right now, and the computer one also.
[18:25] <DonkeyHotei> geom_: how was your birthday?
[18:26] <geom_> DonkeyHotel:  It was good, thanks for asking.
[18:26] <geom_> DonkeyHotei:  Sorry, got the Nic wrong.
[18:27] <DonkeyHotei> you can type the first few letters and hit tab
[18:28] <geom_> DonkeyHotei, Wow, thanks!  How cool is that!
[18:28] <DonkeyHotei> you can change the , to : in preferences
[18:32] <geom_> DonkeyHotei, OK, I'll look at it, I just turned sound on so I would know when someone messaged me
[18:42] <geom_> DonkeyHotei: How do I set my full name so that someone can whois it?
[18:48] <DonkeyHotei> preferences -> chatting -> advanced
[18:48] <geom_> DonkeyHotei: OK, I'll check.  I am in XChat
[18:49] <DonkeyHotei> xchat is no longer developed, use hexchat
[18:52] <geom_> DonkeyHotei: I'll look at it.  It was default in my Ubuntu download
[18:58] <DonkeyHotei> ubuntu does not ship with xchat
[19:00] <geom_> DonkeyHotei: Hmm, I must have downloaded it?  Don't remember.  It says canonical does not provide updates??
[19:01] <DonkeyHotei> xchat died in 2010
[19:02] <geom_> DonkeyHotei: Well, I am ancient you know.
[19:06] <geom_> DonkeyHotei: Downloading hexchat


[01:57] <IrcsomeBot1> Kønräd was added by: Kønräd
[04:00] <Logic44> Hello, What would most of y'all use for hosting an IRC Server?
 @Logic44, Ubuntu Server or CentOS, if I haven't done that before, and some propreitary/pseudo-propreitary support is always better imho
 Though I tried running Fedora Server on Raspberrypi and it was fine
[05:45] <lordievader> Good morning
[05:46] <lordievader> Logic44: Don't think there are many in this channel hosting an IRC server. I do know some IRCnet operators though.
[07:30] <karel_> Hi, how can I debug errors in mounting? I have a disk that im mounting rw unless errors occur (in which case it'll be mounted ro). Now on startup the disk is always ro. How can I debug this?
[07:40] <lordievader> karel_: `dmesg` will probably tell you
[07:43] <karel_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Nc75vRfbnm/
[07:43] <karel_> These are the lines right?
[07:43] <karel_> (thats the file system causing me trouble)
 Konsole in 20.04 does not have multi coloured font for different sections like in 19.10. How can I enable it? Thanks.
 @Anarchotaoist, Nothing has changed between 19.10 and 20.04. Konsole defaults to the Breeze colour scheme in both.
 hmmm.
 (Photo, 704x466) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/PINk8mln/file_28991.jpg
 I have only one colour! 😕
 @RikMills, Yes -that was what I was expecting.
 Check your konsole profile?
 Perhaps I should re-install.
 @RikMills, I have. Changin profiles or themes does not give coloured font.
 have you made changes in .bashrc and or .profile?
 No.
 Odd then
 Um..stupid question maybe, but If I re-install Konsole via Muon will the command still run if there is no terminal?
 Yes, it is not using konsole
 Ok, cool! I thought as much but
 That did not work.
 It is the same for a different user?
 @RikMills, 🤷🏻♂ I am the only user.
 I mean, if you create a new user as a test and log in to plasma with that.
 if it is fine with that new user, you will know it is your current user config at fault somewhere
 Right, ok. I will look into creating a new user. I have not done so before.
[10:35] <lordievader> karel_: I was more thinking along the lines of `dmesg|grep -i mount`
 @RikMills, Ok, there was coloured font. So it is my current user config then! ?
 Presumably.
 Can that be edited? Where do I find the user config - .bashrc and or .profile?
 I can't remember. I know there is some stuff to do with colours in those files, but as I never mess with that I am not overly familiar what exactly.
 Ok, well thanks Rik!
[11:14] <lordievader> Anarchotaoist could you show us how it looks on your side?
[11:14] <lordievader> Everything grey?
[11:29] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
 @RikMills, Hey Rik. I removed that new user but now on shutting down and restarting I have no login screen! 😦
 How can I login??
[11:50] <diogenes_> Anarchotaoist, what you have instead of login screen?
 The Kubuntu logo then blackness. Well, I learnt about tty and startx. I am back into the desktop - but how do I stop this happening again?
 @diogenes_, The Kubuntu logo then blackness. Well, I learnt about tty and startx. I am back into the desktop - but how do I stop this happening again?
[12:09] <diogenes_> Anarchotaoist, go to users management tool (afaik there is one in plasma) and see if the autologin is enabled (sorry i'm speaking in theory because i use a different DE at the moment).
 I have gone to System Settings - Login Screen - Advanced. Automatically login as user is ticked with my user name and with session Plasma. I clicked apply.
[12:12] <diogenes_> so it should be ok now i guess?
 Ok, System Settings - User Manager - my user name - login automatically ticked. It may not have been ticked before!
 Ok - should I attempt a restart? gulp!!
[12:14] <diogenes_> Anarchotaoist, yes
 Ok, I the reboot brought me back to the desktop - but skipped the login altogether. Perhaps I need to turn off automatic login on the SSDM?
[12:17] <diogenes_> Anarchotaoist, it depends what you want and how you like.
 Well, I want a login screen with the password option. ??
[12:19] <diogenes_> then turn off automatic login.
[12:19] <diogenes_> and make sure you have an actual user and not a guest.
 @diogenes_, Under User Manager?
[12:21] <diogenes_> Anarchotaoist, i suspect yes.
 @diogenes_, Actual user = Enable Admin privileges for this user -??
[12:21] <diogenes_> nope, could you make a screenshot of the user settings?
 ok
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 (Photo, 1280x945) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/VXbeABeB/file_28994.jpg
[12:24] <diogenes_> Anarchotaoist, you've got to untick 'Log in automatically' and hit apply.
 ok
 Ok, login screen and login as user are back! 🙏🏻
[12:27] <diogenes_> noice!
 All that because I was trying to get coloured font in Konsole! 😊
[12:29] <diogenes_> ah bad boy, don't play with the matches :)
 I did not think I was flying to close to the sun! Look at the terminal though - it is hard to demarcate and read without coloured font!
 (Photo, 770x647) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/D6kkXZjo/file_28995.jpg
 Anyway, goodnight! Thanks diogenes (and Rik)!
[12:34] <diogenes_> echo "PS1='${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\[\033[1;33m\]\u\[\033[01;30m\]@\[\033[01;32m\]\h\[\033[00m\]:\[\033[01;34m\]\w\[\033[00m\]\$ '" >> ~/.bashrc
[12:34] <diogenes_> Anarchotaoist, run the above command and see the colors in the terminal.
 🙂 ok
 (Photo, 770x647) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/MBzTPFYS/file_28996.jpg
[12:36] <diogenes_> Anarchotaoist, run: kate ~/.bashrc
 ok, this is in the file
 PS1='\[\033[1;33m\]\u\[\033[01;30m\]@\[\033[01;32m\]\h\[\033[00m\]:\[\033[01;34m\]\w\[\033[00m\]$ ' … PS1='\[\033[1;33m\]\u\[\033[01;30m\]@\[\033[01;32m\]\h\[\033[00m\]:\[\033[01;34m\]\w\[\033[00m\]$ '
[12:37] <diogenes_> ok remove those lines.
[12:38] <diogenes_> and add this one:
[12:38] <diogenes_> PS1='${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\[\033[1;33m\]\u\[\033[01;30m\]@\[\033[01;32m\]\h\[\033[00m\]:\[\033[01;34m\]\w\[\033[00m\]\$'
 ok!
[12:38] <diogenes_> make sure you copy it exactly.
[12:38] <diogenes_> now save, close, close all the terminals and open a terminal again.
 (Photo, 770x647) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/UukL0jj0/file_28997.jpg
 👌
 Thank you!
[12:40] <diogenes_> you're welcome.
 😍
[12:40] <diogenes_> :)
 Thanks again! Good night!
[12:41] <diogenes_> good night.
[12:44] <CoDeAmRo> hi i am 39 computer programmer and software engineer i am half egyptian and emirates i am not here for playing or scamming i am looking for good woman to love and married
[12:44] <diogenes_> CoDeAmRo, it depends on your monthly salary :)
[12:45] <CoDeAmRo> my life is good
[12:48] <BluesKaj> CoDeAmRo, not many women frequent this chatroon looking for a man :-)
[12:49] <BluesKaj> this is Kubuntu support only
[12:50] <Metamorphosis> CoDeAmRo try ##chat
[12:58] <dyle71> #!/bin/hi *
[12:58] <dyle71> I just installed 20.04 and I seem to have lost the Gnome Toolkit Settings in the System Settings menu.
[12:59] <dyle71> Apparently they have been already missing back in 19.10.
[12:59] <dyle71> What should I do to configure GTK apps then?
[13:53] <RikMills> dyle71: in applications style, there is a button at the bottom for gtk options
[13:54] <RikMills> https://i.imgur.com/LyzlCBE.png
[13:58] <dyle71> RikMills: ah, thx!
[13:59] <dyle71> that escaped me somehow...
[14:37] <artur> szcze |
[17:22] <IrcsomeBot1> <Supun Wijesinghe> (Photo, 1276x956) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/aEDRPz9h/file_29014.jpg
[17:23] <IrcsomeBot1> <Supun Wijesinghe> (Photo, 1276x956) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/cs4o90zE/file_29015.jpg
[17:23] <il> hi how to use tor network with router ip and my router network?
[17:24] <IrcsomeBot1> <Supun Wijesinghe> Memory information says my total memory is 906 mb...   but I have 4 gb ram...  is there any problem..
[17:25] <IrcsomeBot1> <Supun Wijesinghe> (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/XgHY7Fde/file_29016.jpg
[17:25] <IrcsomeBot1> <Supun Wijesinghe> Is my laptop using only 900mb out of 4gb or is there any other issue
[17:26] <IrcsomeBot1> <Supun Wijesinghe> Can anyone help me on this
[19:13] <IrcsomeBot1> Antoniovet was added by: Antoniovet
[19:41] <designbybeck> Had Ubuntu 20.04, but installed kubuntu-desktop. So far the tweaking has gone well. Super/Meta key was working for my launcher, but somehow I mess that up. Is there and easy fix to get it back
[20:27] <emma> Any opinion here on a nice application to run on Kubuntu that would like you draw/write on top of images?
[20:28] <emma> I know of krita but that might be overkill if there's something simpler than that but nice.
 reassign the application menu launch icon (Configure Application Menu) keyboard short to alt-f1 and that usually resets the meta key association.
[20:40] <IrcsomeBot1> <Mert Kilan> Hey guys, have you ever had an issue on Skype?  Although I can be using Camera, audio and mic, I can't access them on Skype.
[20:41] <IrcsomeBot1> rypmav was added by: rypmav
[20:42] <Logic44> Hello
 Hello guys
[21:20] <diogenes_> Mert Kilan, i've heard about that issue, the temporary workaround is to use google chrome with skype extension.
[21:50] <IrcsomeBot1> <Mert Kilan> Thanks diogenes!
[22:08] <Crell> Hello, peoples. I just upgraded from 19.10 to 20.04.  So far most things seem fine.  One gotcha though is the Alt-F2 command to open a run command window at the top of the screen seems to be disabled.  I... don't even remember what it's called so I don't know what to search for.  Can anyone point me in the right direction?
 krunner?
 (also invoked via alt-space)
[23:12] <emma> if you are using an old version of kubuntu does that mean apt install won't work any more?
 how old?