[00:14] <binarymutant> on gish?
[00:15] <Unit193> Yep
[00:15] <binarymutant> idk how :/
[01:48] <cyberanger> how's it going everyone
[01:48] <binarymutant> good and u
[01:49] <wrst> hey cyberanger, binarymutant, going well
[01:56]  * cyberanger yawns
[01:56] <cyberanger> good but nearing the end of the day thank god
[01:56] <cyberanger> long day
[01:57] <wrst> cyberanger: been busy?
[01:58] <cyberanger> wrst: busy enough, I suppose
[01:58] <wrst> sounds like too busy
[01:58] <cyberanger> trying to find a cheap (say $0.00) project, but keep filling the list with more of the fat wallet type
[01:59] <cyberanger> granted, the fat wallet type is more challenging, due to the hardware role too
[01:59] <cyberanger> and I don't own the hardware for building a passive radar station, or my own celluar tower
[01:59] <binarymutant> cyberanger: software project: $0
[02:00] <wrst> fat wallet... ahh we can all dream :)
[02:00] <binarymutant> lottery dreaming here :D
[02:00] <cyberanger> binarymutant: hardware to run software project on >$0 (and I've not found anything that's pure software to try lately, well, any that aren't done in 5 seconds, within my current capibilites)
[02:01] <binarymutant> cyberanger: time to break out a new language's howto
[02:01] <binarymutant> lua is fun :D
[02:01] <cyberanger> wrst: well, opossed to super-skinny (cobweb-filled) wallet
[02:02] <cyberanger> binarymutant: oh, lottery oh boy, I'd be set for life
[02:02] <binarymutant> ya that's why keep playing (and losing) :D
[02:04] <cyberanger> I learned how to win, step one, ignore lottery advertisements, step two, ignore lottery, step three, count your lottery budget, step four .... step five Profit?!?
[02:04] <binarymutant> collect underpants..profit!
[02:04] <cyberanger> um.....
[02:05]  * cyberanger is slightly curious here, hands binarymutant a pair
[02:05] <binarymutant> cyberanger: you do know where that saying came from... right?
[02:05] <cyberanger> binarymutant: it's been around so long, can't say I know the original bit
[02:05] <binarymutant> "step four .... step five profit" = South Park underpants gnomes
[02:06] <binarymutant> :D :D
[02:06] <cyberanger> that's right (however, considering the amount of south park paradoies & satires, wasn't sure if that was literally the original bit)
[02:06] <binarymutant> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dd/Gnomes_plan.png
[02:07] <cyberanger> yeah, not much for south park, but I've caught the good stuff, "two days before the day after tommorow" the ADHD ep with everyone on ritilin & ritilout
[02:08] <cyberanger> and that bit above too
[02:08] <binarymutant> neither am I, but I did catch that epi
[02:09] <cyberanger> (but when I saw the south park bit, that whole bit had been going on for months, so again, didn't know that, cool)
[02:11] <cyberanger> binarymutant: that why you like luakit?
[02:11] <binarymutant> that's why I want to like luakit
[02:11] <binarymutant> that browser segfaults waaay too much for actual use
[02:12] <binarymutant> but it is still alpha
[02:14]  * cyberanger knows of his next project now
[02:14]  * binarymutant is interested to know
[02:15] <cyberanger> build a javascript site with one goal, segfault luakit, then add some rewrite rules to apache & squid, be intresting at Phreaknic
[02:16] <binarymutant> flash destroys luakit
[02:17] <binarymutant> and there's a bug where closing one window instance closes them all
[02:17] <binarymutant> both are hair pullingly annoying
[02:19] <cyberanger> second one is simple then, javascript to close the window
[02:19] <cyberanger> wouldn't hurt to run flash first, cover the bases
[02:19] <binarymutant> might work idk
[02:22] <cyberanger> when it comes to crashing things, it's sorta like throwing play doh againt the wall over & over
[02:23] <cyberanger> sooner or later something sticks
[02:23] <binarymutant> ya
[02:40] <wrst> howdy chris4585
[02:42] <chris4585> hey wrst
[02:42] <chris4585> how are you today?
[02:43] <wrst> good chris4585, you?
[02:43] <chris4585> I'm alright, a bit bored though
[02:43] <wrst> chris4585: cyberanger can solve that for you i'm sure
[02:44] <chris4585> I'm sure he probably could
[02:45] <wrst> ha ha yeah, i'm trying out kde on arch at the moment
[02:45] <chris4585> oh, is it on a laptop?
[02:45] <chris4585> I always had a wifi problem on arch for some reason
[02:46] <wrst> yeah on a laptop, never any issues for me chris4585, even one laptop with broadcom
[02:46] <wrst> it was a pain but once it worked it was solid
[02:48] <chris4585> I still don't like it, it looks good but its just too much
[02:49] <wrst> they are really doing a nice job with it,but its still not gnome
[02:50] <binarymutant> broadcom is open source now :D
[02:50] <binarymutant> for awhile now
[02:50] <wrst> yeah binarymutant but... card i had was still a beast
[02:51] <binarymutant> should be fine these days
[02:51] <wrst> binarymutant: wasnt' 3 months ago
[02:51] <binarymutant> hmmm
[02:52] <binarymutant> :shrug:
[02:52] <wrst> in ubuntu had to use the broadcom proprietary driver  also
[02:52] <binarymutant> not the one in the kernel?
[02:53] <wrst> no, and the card still requires firmware i think that may have been the deal
[02:54] <binarymutant> strange
[02:54] <binarymutant> all my dell's have broadcoms, they work great for the longest time
[02:54] <wrst> broadcom 4312 fairly common card
[03:08] <vychune> evening
[03:17] <binarymutant> good
[03:27] <binarymutant> evening...
[03:27] <binarymutant> :P
[15:59] <johnhaitas> any php/mysql coders looking for work?
[16:03] <binarymutant> wish I was that good at php ^
[16:05] <johnhaitas> binarymutant: you can be
[16:06] <johnhaitas> binarymutant: you are a talented programmer ... you could easily shift languages
[16:06] <johnhaitas> generally concepts apply in some way in all languages
[16:06] <johnhaitas> the difference is usually syntax and capabilities
[16:09] <binarymutant> I've used php before, it's a fun-big lang. I just don't feel like I'm talented enough to apply to programming positions
[16:30] <johnhaitas> binarymutant: with that outlook - you never will be ;)
[16:33] <binarymutant> :D
[17:36] <binarymutant> speaking of programming and boredom
[17:37] <binarymutant> I'm should make a url scraping bot that uploads to a website - seen in other channels
[17:39]  * Unit193 thinks he saw an irssi script for that
[17:39] <binarymutant> I'd like to push urls to ubuntu-tennessee.org
[17:40]  * Unit193 thinks he shouldn't post links then
[17:40] <binarymutant> nah it'd be okay
[17:40] <binarymutant> give new users a taste of what we're into :D
[17:58] <Unit193> Nice!
[17:59] <binarymutant> :P
[18:00] <Unit193> I already PMd, didn't like me ;)
[18:01] <binarymutant> - under construction -  :D
[18:10] <binarymutant> try !help in here pls
[18:11] <Unit193> !help
[18:11] <ubotuTN> Unit193: help topics: 10 core modules: auth, basics, config, filters, httputil, irclog, remote, unicode, userdata, wordlist; 82 plugins: alias, autoop, autorejoin, azgame, bans, bash, botsnack, cal, chanserv, chucknorris, debug, deepthoughts, delicious, dice, dict, digg, dns, eightball, excuse, factoids, figlet, forecast, fortune, freshmeat, geoip, googlefight, greet, grouphug, hangman, hl2, host, imdb, insult, iplookup, karma,
[18:11] <ubotuTN> keywords, lart, lastfm, linkbot, markov, math, modes, nickrecover, nickserv, note, poll, q, quiz, quote, reaction, realm, remind, remotectl, ri, roshambo, rot, roulette, rss, salut, script, search, sed, seen, shiritori, slashdot, spell, spotify, theyfightcrime, threat, topic, translator, tube, tumblr, twitter, uno, urban, url, usermodes, weather, wheeloffortune, wserver, youtube (help <topic> for more info)
[18:11] <binarymutant> sweet
[18:11] <binarymutant> thanks
[18:11] <Unit193> rbot still :D
[18:11] <binarymutant> very much
[18:12] <Unit193> Yep, I know what a few of the commands look like ;D
[18:24]  * cyberanger sees a return of an old bot, that bot is really people shy
[18:25] <binarymutant> updating it, taking out uneeded plugins, pushing in old plugins, et.c
[18:25] <Unit193> Yes, he doesn't like my PMs :(
[18:26] <binarymutant> stop trying to change the core config :P
[18:26] <Unit193> Hey, I just asked to look at the rss info :D
[18:27] <Unit193> sed and remote are some good ones
[18:28] <cyberanger> man, one more site using silverlight, ugh
[18:31] <binarymutant> cyberanger: which site?
[18:32] <cyberanger> http://ohl.neulion.com/ohl/
[18:32] <cyberanger> minor for here, but minor league hockey nonetheless (my hometown team included)
[18:33]  * cyberanger wanted to try and add it to boxee, but that's probally even more a pain
[18:33] <cyberanger> ubotuTN: hi
[18:34] <binarymutant> weeird
[18:34] <cyberanger> binarymutant: that I agree, why use moonlight
[18:34] <binarymutant> does the install not work with silverlight?
[18:36] <Unit193> Awww... ubotuTN doesn't have the greet plugin :(
[18:37] <binarymutant> it'll be all up and running tonight, hopefully I can start on the url scraper/uploader tonight too
[18:37] <Unit193> So, if I link to http://google .com  will it pickup?
[18:38] <cyberanger> binarymutant: you mean install microsoft silverlight on linux or moonlight on linux (dunno if it works, not paid to find out fully)
[18:38] <binarymutant> ya and upload it to a site
[18:38] <binarymutant> cyberanger: the silverlight page installs moonlight. didn't work for me though
[18:38] <cyberanger> silverlight page redirects to mono'
[18:39] <cyberanger> s moonlight page
[18:39] <binarymutant> ya
[18:39] <binarymutant> and it didn't work
[18:39] <cyberanger> and from there I close out & use the repo
[18:45] <binarymutant> !lp 1
[18:45] <ubotuTN> binarymutant: [1] Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
[18:46] <Unit193> !coc
[18:48] <cyberanger> !lp 188564
[18:48] <ubotuTN> cyberanger: [188564] Build also packages for Debian in PPA's https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/188564
[18:48] <cyberanger> that intrests me more
[18:49] <binarymutant> !coc
[18:49] <binarymutant> :'(
[18:50] <cyberanger> no code of conduct, shame
[18:50] <Unit193> We can do whatever we like? \o/
[18:50] <binarymutant> lol
[18:51]  * cyberanger likes the idea, kicks Unit193 for it ;-)
[18:51] <binarymutant> !rbot
[18:51] <binarymutant> !package rbot
[18:51] <ubotuTN> binarymutant: No package found
[18:51] <binarymutant> wah, this is going to take forever
[18:52] <cyberanger> !package ubuntu-desktop
[18:52] <binarymutant> ah it was using jaunty lol
[18:52] <binarymutant> works now
[18:54] <cyberanger> lol, wow
[18:54] <cyberanger> !package ubuntu-desktop
[18:54] <ubotuTN> cyberanger: http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/ubuntu-desktop
[18:54] <cyberanger> !package lubuntu-desktop
[18:54] <ubotuTN> cyberanger: http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/lubuntu-desktop
[18:54] <cyberanger> ^ more my style
[18:54] <cyberanger> !package pianobar
[18:54] <ubotuTN> cyberanger: http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/pianobar
[18:55]  * Unit193 installs Lubuntu 11.10 for cyberanger
[18:55]  * cyberanger uninstall's Unit193's efforts and reinstalls debian testing with lxde ;-)
[19:00] <binarymutant> !coc
[19:00] <binarymutant> coc
[19:01] <binarymutant> blahblah blah coc?
[19:01] <binarymutant> coc?
[19:01] <binarymutant> !coc?
[19:01] <ubotuTN> binarymutant: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[19:01] <binarymutant> k I'm done for now
[19:01] <cyberanger> !binarymutant
[19:02] <binarymutant> it's where :D
[19:02] <binarymutant> !where infocop411
[19:02]  * binarymutant shoots ubotuTN
[19:02] <cyberanger> binarymutant: was kinda hoping it'd say something like "That's my master"
[19:02] <binarymutant> ah
[19:02] <Unit193> !coffee-#ubuntu-offtopic
[19:02] <cyberanger> binarymutant: that's not ubotuTN's fault, fails with cloaks
[19:03] <cyberanger> no hostname to trace
[19:04] <binarymutant> brb
[19:13] <binarymutant> the where plugin won't work anymore, I need to scrape a different site since we no longer use the wiki for that stuff
[19:13] <binarymutant> !where binarymutant
[19:13] <ubotuTN> Christopher Lunsford(chrispluns, binarymutant), Knoxville, TN, Ubuntu, Debian
[19:14] <cyberanger> binarymutant: thought where was geoip based
[19:14] <cyberanger> !where chris4585
[19:14] <ubotuTN> cyberanger: Chris Talley aka chris4585.
[19:14] <cyberanger> !where cyberanger
[19:14] <cyberanger> !where infocop411
[19:15] <binarymutant> it uses this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TennesseeTeam/Members
[19:15] <binarymutant> for now
[19:16] <binarymutant> what's a good page to replace it?
[19:16] <binarymutant> a more current page of members
[19:16] <Unit193> LP I would think, but that wouldn't be as helpful
[19:19] <binarymutant> ya lp would be difficult
[19:19] <Unit193> launchpadlib :P
[19:20] <binarymutant> if they have ruby bindings for it
[19:24] <binarymutant> I guess I could execute the random launchpad programs through rbot...
[19:24] <binarymutant> that might work ^^
[19:24] <wrst> binarymutant: a bot??? :)
[19:24] <wrst> ubotuTN: hello
[19:24] <ubotuTN> wrst: hi!
[19:25] <wrst> ubotuTN: !help
[19:25] <wrst> hmm
[19:25] <wrst> ubotuTN: help
[19:25] <ubotuTN> wrst: help topics: 10 core modules: auth, basics, config, filters, httputil, irclog, remote, unicode, userdata, wordlist; 4 plugins: keywords, lp, packages, where (help <topic> for more info)
[19:26] <Unit193> Awwww.... No sed
[19:26] <wrst> howdy ubotuTN
[19:26] <wrst> uhh howdy Unit193 :)
[19:26] <binarymutant> no excess, Unit193 what's the sed plugin do?
[19:27] <Unit193> Howdy wrst, a few get redirected to ubot4 too
[19:27] <wrst> :)
[19:27] <Unit193> binarymutant: Nothing much, more of a funny thing
[19:29] <binarymutant> ubotuTN: howdy
[19:29]  * binarymutant crush bot
[19:30] <binarymutant> oh well.
[19:38] <binarymutant> not everyone uses the same irc nick and lp username :(
[19:41]  * cyberanger hands binarymutant a specially modified Sig P229R, fires high velocity silver bullets that generate a NNEMP, good for vampires, zombies and the occasional stupid bot
[19:42]  * cyberanger would not point that weapon at a terminator however
[19:56] <binarymutant> blah coc?
[19:56] <binarymutant> good.
[19:59] <binarymutant> should I upgrade to precise?
[20:01] <Unit193> Upgrade to Pangolin? Isn't it a little early?
[20:01] <binarymutant> maybe, but everything should already be synced
[20:01] <binarymutant> from Debian unstable
[20:03] <binarymutant> eek plymouth crash is the first bug, nevermind
[20:04] <binarymutant> !lp 553745
[20:04] <ubotuTN> binarymutant: [553745] plymouthd crashed with SIGSEGV in ply_event_loop_process_pending_events() https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/553745
[20:05] <binarymutant> !tell binarymutant about coc
[20:05] <ubotuTN> okay, I told binarymutant: (coc) The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[20:06] <binarymutant> that's pointless
[20:06] <Unit193> !guidelines
[20:06] <binarymutant> !guidelines?
[20:06] <ubotuTN> binarymutant: The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[20:07] <binarymutant> idk how to get rid of the question mark in the keyword lookup
[20:08] <Unit193> Works for one
[20:08] <Unit193> !canibeanop?
[20:08] <ubotuTN> Unit193: The Ops team does not take applications. When we want more Ops
[20:09] <Unit193> Heh, changed since then
[20:09] <binarymutant> yes and it's a dump a >2yr old db
[20:09] <binarymutant> of a*
[20:11] <Unit193> Doesn't matter, some are changed weekly :P
[20:12] <cyberanger> think I've finally worked out my most critical bug with tor
[20:12] <cyberanger> Unit193: blog post to follow ;-)
[20:13] <Unit193> Nice
[20:13] <ubotuTN> [binarymutant] "Welcome to the Ubuntu Tennessee channel"
[20:14] <Unit193> Public?
[20:14] <Unit193> cyberanger: Public post this time? ;)
[20:16] <binarymutant> post it in here :D
[20:17]  * wrst_hello waits for greeting
[20:17] <Unit193> wrst_hello: Only preset nicks
[20:17] <binarymutant> just took it out
[20:17] <wrst_hello> well that's not nice :P
[20:17] <Unit193> wrst_hello: Hello
[20:17] <wrst_hello> hello :)
[20:17] <wrst_hello> that makes me feel better
[20:17] <binarymutant> I thought it would be spammy since the topic says "welcome[...]"
[20:18] <wrst> :)
[20:18] <Unit193> People in TN read the topic? :o
[20:18] <binarymutant> apparently I do :D
[20:18] <wrst> Unit193: some of us have more than one tooth also
[20:18] <binarymutant> 2!
[20:18] <binarymutant> ^^ upperclass :P
[20:19] <wrst> ha ha
[20:19] <binarymutant> ^^^ insurance :P
[20:19] <binarymutant> wrst: greet or no greet?
[20:26] <Unit193> Cyber does a good job of that ;)
[20:26] <binarymutant> :D
[20:28] <wrst> ha ha i don't know binarymutant some might think the bot is real?
[20:30] <chris4585> lol I like how I filled out my details
[20:30] <binarymutant> chris4585: on what?
[20:30] <binarymutant> !where chris4585
[20:30] <ubotuTN> binarymutant: Chris Talley aka chris4585.
[20:30] <chris4585> I did it a loooong time ago
[20:31] <chris4585> I'm not sure why it says my name though
[20:31] <binarymutant> :shrug:
[20:32] <binarymutant> chris4585: you might have put it into the wiki and forgot about it
[20:56] <binarymutant> boo hiss, I figured out why my website's php doesn't work: they don't allow fopen :(
[23:41] <binarymutant> Walking Dead?
[23:49] <Unit193> Why did our cyberanger go?
[23:50] <binarymutant> don't know :/
[23:50] <binarymutant> more important stuff to do?
[23:50]  * Unit193 wonders what he's doing around now
[23:51] <binarymutant> tracking planes :D


[07:47] <NorasMacBook> hi everybody, i have installed the latest version of ubuntu on my MacBookAir 6.2 yesterday. Everything works fine but my wifi doesn't
[07:48] <NorasMacBook> I use the "Broadcom 802.11 Linux STA wireless driver source from bcmwl-kernel-source"
[07:49] <NorasMacBook> wifi is not listed in ifconfig -a
[07:50] <NorasMacBook> lspci | grep Wireless finds the Network controller
[19:45] <xerf> hi
[19:48] <xerf> I have an odd issue w/dual monitors...when I go into the "expose" view like on Mac, my right monitor doesn't have virtual spaces shown...it has the bar where virtual screens should be, but it just shows the first space


[04:54] <jamesh> mwhudson: looks like the problem https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3498 is supposed to fix.  edge snapcraft might let you close the channel
[04:54] <mup> PR snapcraft#3498: storeapi: set content-type and accept headers for close <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3498>
[04:55] <jamesh> seems like a bit of a problem that the tool is trailing the changes in the store rather than leading
[05:49] <mborzecki> morning
[07:14] <zyga> good morning
[07:16] <mborzecki> zyga: hey
[07:16] <mvo> good morning zyga and mborzecki. happy monday!
[07:16] <mborzecki> mvo: hey, good morning
[07:17] <mborzecki> mvo: fyi, this PR can land https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10128
[07:17] <mup> PR #10128: tests: add 20.04 to systems for nested/core <Run nested> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10128>
[07:18] <mvo> mborzecki: cool
[07:19] <mborzecki> mvo: can you take a look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10120 ?
[07:19] <mup> PR #10120: boot: derive boot variables for kernel command lines <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10120>
[07:19] <mvo> mborzecki: sure
[07:20] <mborzecki> should be fairly simple, it there's some post merge comments from pedronis we can address those in a followup
[07:21] <mup> PR snapd#10132 closed: boot,tests: move where we write boot-flags one level up <Squash-merge> <UC20> <Created by pedronis> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10132>
[07:29] <mborzecki> mvo: thanks! would you like to take a look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10129 too? builds on top of the previous one
[07:29] <mup> PR #10129:  boot: set extra kernel command line arguments when making a recovery system bootable <Run nested> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10129>
[07:30] <mvo> sure
[07:30] <mborzecki> thanks!
[07:31] <mup> PR snapd#10120 closed: boot: derive boot variables for kernel command lines <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10120>
[07:33] <mvo> mborzecki: done, how much extra work will run-mode support be?
[07:38] <mborzecki> mvo: i need this to land to open the next PR: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10130 (or at least https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10119 so that there wont' be too many prs open)
[07:38] <mup> PR #10130: boot: load bits of kernel command line from gadget snaps <Run nested> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10130>
[07:38] <mup> PR #10119: boot: pass gadget path to command line helpers, load gadget from seed <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10119>
[07:45] <mvo> mborzecki: anything there I could review and help with?
[07:46] <mborzecki> mvo: maybe you could also take a look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10119  then?
[07:46] <mup> PR #10119: boot: pass gadget path to command line helpers, load gadget from seed <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10119>
[08:28] <jamesh> anyone up for a second review of https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10126 ? It's a fairly short and simple cleanup
[08:28] <mup> PR #10126: daemon: make ucrednetGet() return a *ucrednet structure <Simple 😃> <Created by jhenstridge> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10126>
[08:35] <pedronis> was about to mention it as well
[08:39] <pedronis> jamesh: it's merged now
[08:40] <jamesh> pedronis, mborzecki: thanks!
[08:41] <mup> PR snapd#10126 closed: daemon: make ucrednetGet() return a *ucrednet structure <Simple 😃> <Created by jhenstridge> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10126>
[08:51] <mborzecki> pedronis: can you take another look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10119 ?
[08:51] <mup> PR #10119: boot: pass gadget path to command line helpers, load gadget from seed <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10119>
[08:51] <pedronis> mborzecki: yes, was about to, it's near the top of my queue
[08:52] <mborzecki> pedronis: cool, thank you
[08:56] <mup> PR snapd#10131 closed: tests: new os.paths tool <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10131>
[09:01] <mup> PR snapd#10123 closed: boot,gadget,devicestate: create "aux-key" for fde-hooks v2 <Created by mvo5> <Closed by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10123>
[09:11] <pedronis> mborzecki: could you merge master into https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10129
[09:11] <mup> PR #10129:  boot: set extra kernel command line arguments when making a recovery system bootable <Run nested> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10129>
[09:12] <mborzecki> pedronis: sure, just a sec
[09:13] <mborzecki> pedronis: done
[09:35] <pedronis> mborzecki: it's the extra args case complete with 10130 or there is more even for that?
[09:37] <mborzecki> pedronis: there's a change in MakeSystemRunnable(), another one in update boot config, a helper for handling update of bits that contribute to command line, and changes in devicestate, although all of that is for both extra and full cmdlines
[09:38] <pedronis> ah, ok, so still quite a bit of stuff
[09:41] <mup> PR snapd#10119 closed: boot: pass gadget path to command line helpers, load gadget from seed <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10119>
[10:35] <mborzecki> heh running a nested test with tpm and secure boot, the qemu cpu is resetting
[10:37] <mup> PR snapd#10129 closed:  boot: set extra kernel command line arguments when making a recovery system bootable <Run nested> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10129>
[11:12] <mup> PR snapd#10134 opened: boot: set extra command line arguments when preparing run mode <Run nested> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10134>
[11:23] <mborzecki> hmmm 10134 works locally with secure boot, but fails on google
[11:45] <mborzecki> mvo: can you take a look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10135 ? i started doubting myself tbh
[11:45] <mup> PR #10135: tests/lib/nested: proper status return for tpm/secure boot checks <Run nested> <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10135>
[11:47] <mup> PR snapd#10135 opened: tests/lib/nested: proper status return for tpm/secure boot checks <Run nested> <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10135>
[11:51] <mvo> mborzecki: will do after lunch
[11:51] <mborzecki> thanks!
[11:54] <mborzecki> cachio_: have you seen: 2021-04-12 10:03:19 Cannot allocate google-nested:ubuntu-18.04-64: cannot find any Google image matching "ubuntu-1804-64-virt-enabled" on project "computeengine" or "ubuntu-os-cloud"
[11:54] <mborzecki> it's in https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/runs/2322682467
[11:54] <cachio_> mborzecki, hi, let me fix that
[11:55] <mborzecki> cachio_: also os.query seems to be failing on debian sid, as if it's not sid anymore 😉 https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/C9xsyhZ8Jd/
[11:55] <mborzecki> maybe they've bumped os-release or something
[11:56] <mborzecki> or we're using the wrong image :/
[11:56] <cachio_> mborzecki, images fixed
[11:57] <cachio_> let me check sic image
[11:57] <cachio_> sid
[11:57] <cachio_> thanks for let me know
[12:03] <cachio_> mborzecki, so now debian sid is VERSION_CODENAME=bullseye
[12:03] <cachio_> this is why os.query is failing
[12:05] <cachio_> I need to create a new image I see
[12:06] <cachio_> mvo, hi, should we support debian 11?
[12:06] <mborzecki> hmm, maybe there's other way tell it's debian sid?
[12:10] <mborzecki> merging some of my branches in isolation,  broke master https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10136 fixes it
[12:10] <mup> PR #10136: boot: drop gadget snap yaml which is already defined elsewhere in the tests <Skip spread> <⚠ Critical> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10136>
[12:12] <mup> PR snapd#10136 opened: boot: drop gadget snap yaml which is already defined elsewhere in the tests <Skip spread> <⚠ Critical> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10136>
[13:27] <mup> PR snapd#10136 closed: boot: drop gadget snap yaml which is already defined elsewhere in the tests <Skip spread> <⚠ Critical> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10136>
[13:42] <mup> PR snapd#10047 closed: tests: remove the snap profiler from the test suite <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10047>
[14:02] <mup> PR snapd#10137 opened: tests: update os.query check to match new bullseye codename used on sid images <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10137>
[14:22]  * cachio_ afk
[14:43] <ijohnson> cachio_: do you know if our ubuntu core spread GCE environments would have virtual network interfaces that don't have MAC addresses? if so then the tests/core/netplan failures we are seeing may be from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/netplan.io/+bug/1913062
[14:43] <mup> Bug #1913062: netplan apply backtrace <amd64> <apport-bug> <focal> <uec-images> <netplan.io (Ubuntu):Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1913062>
[15:02] <ijohnson> cachio_: if so I have a workaround from paul that might avoid the issue before the fix is released
[15:56] <cachio_> ijohnson, hey, sorry, didn't see what youwrote
[15:57] <ijohnson> cachio_: sure let me re-send it
[15:57] <cachio_> let me check
[15:57] <ijohnson> oh did you see the message ?
[15:57] <cachio_> didn't see the notificatin
[15:57] <cachio_> let me check the mac address for uc
[15:58] <cachio_> ijohnson, uc16 right?
[15:58] <ijohnson> cachio_: I have seen it on uc20 too I think
[16:00] <cachio_> I see in the bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 20.04
[16:00] <cachio_> I am creating vms
[16:00] <cachio_> I'll check the network configuration when vms are ready
[16:06] <ijohnson> thanks cachio
[16:06] <ijohnson> yeah I think the bug only effects uc20, I don't know that I've seen the netplan failure on uc16 or uc18
[16:16] <ijohnson> mvo: pedronis: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10133 is ready for review again
[16:16] <mup> PR #10133: wrappers/services.go: introduce EnsureSnapServices() <UC20> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10133>
[16:22] <ijohnson> mmm now our mac os tests are failing
[16:22] <ijohnson> homebew seems unhappy for some reason
[16:22] <ijohnson> *homebrew
[16:23] <cachio_> ijohnson, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jVj7Nf4Pnx/
[16:24] <cachio_> ijohnson, so it has a mac address}
[16:46] <ijohnson> cachio_: right that makes sense, so probably not the same bug unfortunately
[17:01] <cachio_> mvo, hey, about the test tests/core/gadget-kernel-refs-update-pc/task.yaml
[17:01] <cachio_> does it make sense to run it on arm right?
[17:02] <cachio_> because the kernel snap is harcoded to pc-kernel
[17:43] <mvo> cachio_: yeah, should not run on the arm machines
[19:14] <cachio_> ijohnson|lunch, hey, I have these cosmetic prs #10124 and 10125
[19:14] <mup> PR #10124: tests: update layout for tests - part 1 <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10124>
[19:14] <mup> Bug #10124: scim: new changes from Debian require merging <Ubuntu:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/10124>
[19:15] <cachio_> they are not changing functionalities
[19:15] <cachio_> just re order the tests
[19:15] <cachio_> they are big
[19:15] <cachio_> is it possible to take quick look?
[19:16] <cachio_> I have some fixes for 2.50 which will have merge problems if I can't merge these 2 prs
[20:04] <mup> PR snapcraft#3501 opened: store: use whoami dashboard endpoint for cli <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3501>
[20:27] <cachio_> zyga, hey
[20:28] <zyga> cachio_ hey!
[20:28] <cachio_> I did a very big change
[20:28] <cachio_> do you want to take a look?
[20:29] <cachio_> if you have time
[20:29] <zyga> cachio_ to what? snapd?
[20:29] <cachio_> #10124 and #10125
[20:29] <mup> Bug #10124: scim: new changes from Debian require merging <Ubuntu:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/10124>
[20:29] <mup> PR #10124: tests: update layout for tests - part 1 <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10124>
[20:29] <mup> Bug #10125: scite: new changes from Debian require merging <Ubuntu:Fix Released by cjwatson> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/10125>
[20:29] <mup> PR #10125: tests: update layout for tests - part 2 <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10125>
[20:29] <cachio_> yes
[20:29] <cachio_> I need a second +1 :)
[20:30] <zyga> oh, that's nice
[20:30] <cachio_> zyga, did you get the vaccine?
[20:30] <zyga> I'll have a look mid-day tomorrow
[20:30] <zyga> cachio_ no chance :(
[20:30] <zyga> cachio_ we're very slow at that
[20:30] <zyga> cachio_ currently the government mostly looks at people 60+
[20:31] <zyga> cachio_ + police + politicians and stuff
[20:31] <cachio_> zyga, same here
[20:31] <cachio_> +70 here
[20:31] <zyga> though last time I checked the numbers are encouraging
[20:32] <zyga> 40K / day (up from mere Ks a day recently)
[20:32] <zyga> the number of people vaccinated + sick is roughly 25% of the population so far
[20:32] <cachio_> 40k?
[20:32] <zyga> 40K vaccines administered a day
[20:33] <cachio_> here we are 20k/day
[20:33] <cachio_> zyga, ahh
[20:33] <cachio_> zyga, how many people are you?
[20:33] <cachio_> almost 40 million right?
[20:34] <zyga> 38M
[20:34] <zyga> yeah
[20:34]  * zyga went to check
[20:35] <zyga> cachio_ so I'll look tomorrow, today it's just too late
[20:36] <cachio_> zyga, sure, np
[20:38] <cachio_> thanks
[21:35] <mwhudson> jamesh: hurrah
[22:49] <mup> PR snapd#10138 opened: tests: fix gadget-kernel-refs-update-pc test on arm and when $TRUST_TEST_KEY is false <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10138>


[06:36] <darkxst> ricotz, did you ever look into the gjs tests?
[06:36] <darkxst> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=710697
[06:44] <ricotz> darkxst, sorry, no, and i also think it is a buildsys problem
[06:44] <ricotz> darkxst, btw, better do something like https://launchpadlibrarian.net/154332025/gnome-maps_3.10.0-2~saucy1_3.10.0-2~saucy2.diff.gz
[06:45] <ricotz> to ease the transition if the geoclue debian package makes it into trusty
[06:53] <darkxst> ricotz, but geoclue and goeclue-2 are completely incompatible
[06:54] <darkxst> ?
[06:54] <ricotz> darkxst, i know, the didnt change the source binary/package name
[06:54] <ricotz> the/they
[06:54] <darkxst> oh, I see
[06:54] <ricotz> http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=sourcenames&keywords=geoclue
[06:56] <ricotz> i still think our package layout is better, already mentioned it to bigon
[06:58] <darkxst> ok
[08:00] <darkxst> ricotz, so the webkit build failures are back again I see
[08:01] <darkxst> they all went away when they dropped compat back to 8, but it hasnt been bumped back up so strange its back
[08:03] <ricotz> darkxst, yeah, still hoping there is a builder which gets it through
[11:34] <sazawal> If I have a function f(x), then can we say about df'(x)/df(x). Is it d/df(x) (df(x)/dx) or d/dx(df(x)/df(x)) which is identically 0.
[11:34] <sazawal> Sorry, wrong channel
[11:51] <auscompgeek> yeah, this isn't ##math ;)
[12:49] <slawko> hello
[12:49] <slawko> I have a question
[12:52] <slawko> does anybody knows, if the extended authentication provided by google works with Gnome Shell?
[12:52] <slawko> as well as Facebook one
[12:59] <slawko> i mean the authentication by codes sended via mobilephone
[16:36] <bjsnider> that eog problem i was inquiring about last night is gnome bug 690236 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=690236
[18:28] <sazawal> Can anyone tell me, when a file is opened in nautilus what is the trigger/interrupt that ubuntu uses for recording recent history?
[19:52] <SuperDanceParty> Hello
[19:53] <SuperDanceParty> I have a couple simple questions for gnome-ubuntu users
[19:54] <SuperDanceParty> anyone?
[19:55] <SuperDanceParty> :'(
[19:56] <SuperDanceParty> sad alex
[19:57] <SuperDanceParty> hi sir
[20:08] <darkxst> !ask
[21:32] <amjjawad-sick> darkxst: you there?
[21:33] <darkxst> yup
[21:33] <amjjawad-sick> I am so sick but couldn't sleep so thought to check
[21:33] <amjjawad-sick> oh good
[21:34] <amjjawad-sick> this is a very quick chat until I feel better and can work with my usual energy. So, in short, what is your plan for 14.04?
[21:35] <darkxst> well dev wise there won't be a whole lot we can do for 14.04, since seems like 3.10 will be blocked
[21:35] <amjjawad-sick> O_o
[21:35] <amjjawad-sick> blocked?
[21:35] <darkxst> Ubuntu want to stick with 3.8
[21:35] <amjjawad-sick> Yes, I know but what that to do with us?
[21:36] <darkxst> and without updated gtk+ there is very little we can update
[21:36] <amjjawad-sick> is this final? aren't they still discussing it?
[21:36] <darkxst> unfortunately we share a number of core packages
[21:36] <amjjawad-sick> I am aware of that :)
[21:37] <amjjawad-sick> but I thought we are a bit free to choose our own path :/
[21:37] <darkxst> its not final, but I can't see them going up to 3.10, it brings very little to Ubuntu itself
[21:37] <amjjawad-sick> Sigh!
[21:38] <amjjawad-sick> this could be VERY bad news to our Users!!!!
[21:38] <darkxst> so basically we will be left to ship 3.10 via PPA
[21:39] <amjjawad-sick> darkxst: let's talk honestly ... NO LTS and NO 3.10 by default? this will make our users really sad :(
[21:40] <amjjawad-sick> I felt so much happy with the release of 13.10 and many are getting excited and interested to try it and use it. We are going a great job. I am afraid this move will push some users away :(
[21:41] <amjjawad-sick> Lubuntu has only one main Dev and they will go LTS. Why not we do the same? and we have 2 as far as I know?!
[21:42] <darkxst> it will be a pseudo LTS, just not official
[21:42] <amjjawad-sick> darkxst: why?
[21:43] <amjjawad-sick> Ubuntu Family can help us, I am sure. Why not try?
[21:43] <darkxst> because I don't think we have the manpower to commit to a full 2+ years of support
[21:44] <amjjawad-sick> yes, you are right and I know that. However, if we ask Ubuntu family to support us in this, do you think that would change anything?
[21:45] <Hio> Hello everyone.  Or I haven't read something somewhare.
[21:45] <Hio> but my question is as follows:
[21:46] <darkxst> amjjawad-sick, in particular backporting fixes to gnome-shell get very tricky after a couple of cycles of divergence
[21:47] <amjjawad-sick> darkxst: in more simple word since I am sick and I am not a Dev :D
[21:47] <Hio> After downloading and installing ubuntu GNOME 13.10 and logged in, the environment is ... Unity and not GNOME... is this normal? I expected that with Ubuntu Gnome, the default desktop environment is Gnome 3.8
[21:47] <darkxst> amjjawad-sick, say taking upstream fixes for 3.12 and applying them to 3.8, most of the time will be hard
[21:48] <Hio> can someone give me a hit what should I do? :) Thanks in advans, gang.
[21:48] <darkxst> Hio, you did a fresh install? perhaps you used the wrong ISO?
[21:50] <amjjawad-sick> Hio: what is the name of the ISO you have used??? full file name?
[21:50] <Hio> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/13.10/release/ubuntu-gnome-13.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[21:50] <Hio> I downloaded this and loaded it with daemon tools.
[21:50] <Hio> installed it under windows via wubi
[21:50] <amjjawad-sick> darkxst: but you didn't answer my Q. Can't we get some extra support from other communities so that we can go for Full LTS?
[21:51] <darkxst> amjjawad-sick, there are no other communities really interested in the Ubuntu GNOME Packageset
[21:51] <amjjawad-sick> :(
[21:52] <amjjawad-sick> darkxst: let me try
[21:52] <amjjawad-sick> who knows? perhaps I can find someone?!
[21:52] <Hio> darkxst, amjjawad-sick, I downloaded the above one for my big laptop and for my tablet I downloaded the 32bit version.
[21:53] <Hio> the result was the same both here and there... unity...
[21:53] <amjjawad-sick> if you could just send me an email about what exactly you need so that we can go FULL LTS, and I will go hunt for someone for you. How about that? darkxst
[21:53] <darkxst> Hio, if you did a fresh install, its impossible to have Unity
[21:53] <amjjawad-sick> Hio: I never ever use Wubi
[21:54] <Hio> hm... I did a fresh install...
[21:55] <Hio> and ...DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu DISTRIB_RELEASE=13.10 DISTRIB_CODENAME=saucy DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 13.10"
[21:55] <Hio> that is in the lsb_release
[21:55] <darkxst> amjjawad-sick, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecognizedFlavors
[21:56] <Hio> can there be some connection with the wubi installer?
[21:58] <amjjawad-sick> darkxst: and we are failing to provide what exactly? a side from the fact that we don't have enough manpower?
[22:00] <amjjawad-sick> it would really break my heart that we need to wait another 2 years to be LTS :(
[22:00] <njalk> Hio, I tried downloading the image from the link you provided and loaded it in a virtual machine, it boots up gnome
[22:00] <njalk> Hio, any chance you could install without Wubi?
[22:02] <Hio> @njalk, well, probably I can, I just have windows and was used to (since wubi came up) to install ubuntu under windows in this way.
[22:02] <meetingology> Hio: Error: "njalk," is not a valid command.
[22:02] <Hio> njalk, well, probably I can, I just have windows and was used to (since wubi came up) to install ubuntu under windows in this way.
[22:02] <njalk> i did that too a couple of times, worked so and so, in my experience better to do a usb stick install
[22:02] <darkxst> amjjawad-sick, we need a support plan and need to be able to commit to 2+years support
[22:03] <njalk> and you can make those from windows
[22:03] <Hio> njalk, what do you meen "usb stick install"? to install it via a bootable usb? or have a usb as a live image?
[22:04] <njalk> if you load it as a live image you get an option to install
[22:04] <Hio> and I can keep windows also? I haven't done this before, maybe I should give it a try :)...
[22:04] <njalk> yes
[22:05] <njalk> you will get a selection when you start your computer which OS to boot
[22:05] <Hio> but still, if that is the cause (installing via wubi) then, I think it is strange and has to be fixed.
[22:06] <Hio> From what I have heard from other people, they very rarely use wubi, but I think it's useful... anywho...
[22:06] <Hio> thanks a lot for the suport
[22:06] <Hio> I will do this tomorrow and maybe give feedback if interested.
[22:07] <nadrimajstor> Is there a tutorial on how are GNOME packages made for ubuntu-gnome?
[22:08] <njalk> sure Hio tell us how it went =)
[22:08] <Hio> cheers
[22:08] <njalk> and yes if that was wubi that should be looked into imo
[22:34] <slawko> Hi all
[22:35] <slawko> I've got a question, if anybody is present, to read it
[23:10] <phillw> !ask | phillw
[23:11] <phillw> yup, bot is working fine :D


 Going well. You?
[08:38] <seb128> duflu, I'm alright thanks!
[08:43] <didrocks> jpnurmi: oSoMoN: https://github.com/ubuntu/WSL/pull/66
[08:52] <Nafallo> morning :-)
[09:22] <oSoMoN> good morning Nafallo !
[09:26] <duflu> Hi didrocks and Nafallo
[10:59] <GunnarHj> Hello team!
[10:59] <GunnarHj> The discussion about spellchecking in the Firefox snap has stalled.
[10:59] <GunnarHj> Both here: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11025
[10:59] <GunnarHj> and here: https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu/+source/pam/+git/pam/+merge/411567 .
[10:59] <GunnarHj> As someone with close to zero snap knowledge, I will need help to move it forward.
[10:59] <GunnarHj> oSoMoN, kenvandine, somebody else? ^
[11:39] <oSoMoN> GunnarHj, I just commented on the snapd PR with a counter-proposal, let's see what Ian thinks about it
[11:43] <sil2100> Hello desktop! focal desktop daily images seem to be failing right now due to a snap channel not being available..?
[11:43] <sil2100> error: cannot validate seed:
[11:43] <sil2100>  - cannot use snap "snap-store": default provider "gnome-3-38-2004" is missing
[11:44] <sil2100> (not sure what that means)
[11:44] <sil2100> kenvandine, seb128: ^ any clues?
[11:44] <GunnarHj> oSoMoN: Thanks! Sounds a bit complicated to me, though. Would that solution also involve DICPATH? Asking because DICPATH would introduce a new way opportunity for a 100% user defined list of active dicts.
[12:40] <sil2100> Does anyone know anything about this snap situation above? What happened to gnome-3-38-2004 ?
[12:40] <sil2100> This is blocking our dailies and some of the work we're doing for intel-iot
[12:47] <seb128> sil2100, hey, sorry I was at lunch
[12:50] <seb128> sil2100, that's because https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ubuntu/tree/desktop-minimal?h=focal#n101 has 3-34 on the iso and kenvandine just promoted to stable a version of the side that uses 38
[12:51] <seb128> sil2100, so either we need to update the iso or to publish back a 3-34 based snap-store to stable/ubuntu-20.04
[12:51] <seb128> kenvandine, ^
[13:00] <sil2100> Thanks - what are the plans for 20.04.4? Do we plan on switching to 38 for that? Normally I'd recommend publishing 3-34 back to the 20.04 channel
[13:06] <seb129> sil2100, let wait for kenvandine to comment, we should probably publishing back
[13:19] <sil2100> seb129: is kenvandine around this week? Since I know a lot of US people have free around thanksgiving
[13:20] <seb129> sil2100, yes, he's still there today
[13:22] <sil2100> Excellent, thanks!
[13:27] <ricotz> 129?
[13:28] <ricotz> looks like an imposter :)
[13:28] <ricotz> hello desktopers!
[13:29] <oSoMoN> hey ricotz :)
[13:32] <seb129> hey ricotz
[13:38] <ricotz> hey oSoMoN sergiusens
[13:38] <ricotz> oops
[14:35] <help[m]2> sil2100existing 20.04 users have already gotten the update that includes 3-38
[14:36] <help[m]2> sil2100: so we need to update the seed
[15:21] <fyhl> Hi, I have a problem. How can I deactivate individual audio outputs such as HDMI to monitor and leave only my headphones?
[15:24] <seb128> fyhl, hey, try #ubuntu for user questions
[15:25] <fyhl> Okay, i'll try. Thank you!
[15:33] <sil2100> seb128, help[m]2: is someone updating the seeds, or should I try doing that?
[15:43] <seb128> sil2100, kenvandine said he did
[15:57] <KGB-1> gtk3 ubuntu/focal e00a829 Sebastien Bacher * pushed 55 commits (first 5 follow) * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gtk3/compare/64f9cca...e00a829
[15:57] <KGB-1> gtk3 ubuntu/focal fc3bb14 Rafael Fontenelle po/pt_BR.po * Update Brazilian Portuguese translation * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gtk3/-/commit/fc3bb14
[15:57] <KGB-1> gtk3 ubuntu/focal 8f7f6bf Guillaume Bernard po/fr.po * Update French translation * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gtk3/-/commit/8f7f6bf
[15:57] <KGB-1> gtk3 ubuntu/focal 35b9677 Emin Tufan Çetin po/tr.po * Update Turkish translation * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gtk3/-/commit/35b9677
[15:57] <KGB-1> gtk3 ubuntu/focal 30906f3 Jakub Steiner gtk/theme/Adwaita/assets/ check-symbolic.svg check-symbolic.symbolic.png * Adwaita: lower glyph contrast for checkboxes * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gtk3/-/commit/30906f3
[15:57] <KGB-1> gtk3 ubuntu/focal 1f9f370 Jakub Steiner gtk/theme/Adwaita/assets/ check-symbolic.svg check-symbolic.symbolic.png * Merge branch 'wip/jimmac/gtk3-uniform-checkboxes' into 'gtk-3-24' * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gtk3/-/commit/1f9f370
[15:57] <KGB-1> gtk3 tags 3f2d40e Sebastien Bacher ubuntu/3.24.20-0ubuntu1 * Debian release 3.24.20-0ubuntu1 * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gtk3/tags/ubuntu/3.24.20-0ubuntu1
[16:41] <help[m]2> sil2100: i haven't updated ubuntu-meta
[16:41] <help[m]2> I'm tied up for the next couple of hours, if you don't mind doing it
[16:41] <help[m]2> if not i can do it later
[16:41] <help[m]2> but i did commit the seed change


[00:21] <ripps> My radeon 9600 pro's dri has been disabled in kernel 2.6.31-1 in Karmic, can somebody help?
[00:30] <Sarvatt> add radeon.modeset=0 to the grub boot line
[00:32] <ripps> Sarvatt: so it's a KMS issue?
[00:33] <Sarvatt> it'll be fixed in 2.6.31-2.15 that apw's already built on a PPA and should be uploaded soon, KMS was turned on by default without the userspace to support it
[00:35] <ripps> Sarvatt: okay, I edited my grub.cfg, I'm rebooting now
[00:35] <Sarvatt> https://edge.launchpad.net/~apw/+archive/daily
[04:05] <Sarvatt> did it work ripps?
[04:06] <Sarvatt> wow that cant be right, 0 bug emails today on ubuntu-x?
[04:09] <pwnguin> independence day hangovers
[05:01] <ripps> Sarvatt: the radeon.modeset=0 thing worked, I apparently didn't install the Kernel correctly, I just finished that now
[09:29] <levonshe> good morning all,
[10:32] <levonshe> good day, What is wrong with DRI  openchrome-via, VX800 - the dri/card0 is not created, and  modprobe via gives : no MTRR for b0000000,10000000 found
[10:34] <tjaalton> the via module is more or less obsolete
[10:34] <tjaalton> there's a new one in the works, but no idea when it'll be in the kernel
[12:34] <TheMuso> If a kernel version, say 2.6.29 is used with current X, will those drivers like intel still work if the kernel doesn't have KMS enabled?
[12:35] <TheMuso> By current X, I mean what is currently in karmic.
[12:37] <tjaalton> sure
[12:37] <tjaalton> uxa performance might suffer though
[12:38] <TheMuso> Ok thanks tjaalton.
[17:09] <levonshe> hello all, please explain the error I have trying to work with DRI/DRM on VX800 mtrr: no MTRR for b0000000,10000000 found, as a consecuence no /dev/dri/cardX is created ??
[18:29] <tormod> sarvatt, what should we do about radeon kms in xorg-edgers now? we can ship a modprobe.d file in libdrm...
[18:30] <jcristau> might be better to ship it with the ddx
[18:32] <tormod> it should not matter as long as people install all or none of the packages
[18:32] <tormod> the thing is, our -ati source package does not know if it is kms or not
[18:32] <tormod> only the libdrm is special, with its --experimental-radeon-api
[18:33] <jcristau> you can run old ddx with new libdrm though..
[18:34]  * jbarnes looks for pitti
[18:58] <Sarvatt> whats wrong that needs a change tormod? i would assume anyone wanting to use kms would know to add radeon.modeset=1 to grub, it works fine with the stock kernel with or without KMS for me
[18:59] <tormod> well if we assume they know that, we're fine :)
[19:00] <tormod> Sarvatt, btw do you have a package update round in the pipeline?
[19:00] <tjaalton> it'll be the default anyway, an dshipping temporary conffiles is problematic
[19:01] <Sarvatt> i just got in, will do it now
[19:01] <tormod> we don't care so much about proper conffiles handling in xorg-edgers :)
[19:02] <tjaalton> ok then :s
[19:02] <tormod> tjaalton, when will it be the default ?
[19:02] <jcristau> not doing proper conffiles handling there means people might get broken stuff when/if they go back to stock ubuntu, no?
[19:02] <jcristau> (maybe not in that case, but still)
[19:03] <tormod> I don't think it will be a problem if we use a unique file name
[19:03] <tormod> or will it stay?
[19:04] <jcristau> if nothing removes it, it will stay
[19:05] <tormod> so in the case we add one, we should delete it in an prerm then I suppose
[19:05] <tormod> but never mind, if we'll have kms as default soon, I don't care so much
[19:13] <Sarvatt> ugh mozilla build bots of doom are running
[19:14] <Sarvatt> Estimated build start: 	in 5 hours
[19:17] <jbarnes> arg claws mail and its plugins still aren't built properly
[19:17] <jbarnes> just upgraded and claws is new but the html2 viewer plugin wasn't rebuilt so it broke
[19:19] <tormod> Sarvatt, ugh x 2, my system is so broken with rendering errors now, can't wait :)
[19:25] <tjaalton> tormod: once userland in karmic catches up
[19:26] <tormod> tjaalton, yeah I figured that :) but when might that happen?
[19:26]  * bryce reads pitti's gdm breakage email and wonders how everything got buggy so quickly from really stable a couple weeks ago
[19:27] <bryce> btw, someone has implemented a wacom configuration gui tool and emailed me about it - http://www.gtk-apps.org/content/show.php/Wacom+Control+Panel?content=104309 but I didn't see the source code posted so am following up.
[19:28] <tjaalton> tormod: dunno, is there a release coming up?
[19:30] <jbarnes> did anyone ever figure out the appearance props "doesn't let me enable compiz" bug?
[19:30] <tormod> the -ati releases do not come often this days, but maybe they will rubber-stamp one as soon as kms seems not too broken
[19:30] <jbarnes> works fine from a terminal...
[19:30] <bryce> tormod, alex has been good about stamping releases when we've asked him to in the past
[19:31] <bryce> I'm not sure he works to a release schedule, just sets release numbers when things look stable
[19:32] <tormod> bryce, ok so do we have any feature-freeze deadline or so for radeon kms?
[19:32] <tormod> bryce, yes also think he does it like that
[19:33] <tormod> Sarvatt, est. build time is down to one hour :)
[19:33] <Sarvatt> ugh x3!! gdm upgrade killed X and i lost all my chat log history from last session lol
[19:33] <bryce> tormod, yep at the start of karmic I set Sept 7th as the deadline for driver version updates
[19:33] <tormod> Sarvatt, I got bitten too :)
[19:33] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: screen ftw
[19:33]  * tormod actually got bitten a couple of times...
[19:34] <tormod> bryce, that sounds like an ocean of time :)
[19:34] <jbarnes> Sarvatt: same thing just happened to me too
[19:34] <jbarnes> Sarvatt: any news on the "appearance dialog won't let me enable compiz" bug?
[19:35] <tormod> bryce, and I guess driver version update in this case includes a minor thing like switching to kms ;)
[19:36] <bryce> ;-)
[19:39] <Sarvatt> nope, havent seen anything jbarnes. i switched to mutter so i havent looked into it lately, i'm sorry :(
[19:40] <jbarnes> np just curious
[19:42] <Sarvatt> do you have metacity running? i was able to use appearance preferences by running metacity --replace, killing the extra "metacity" that was causing 100% cpu usage, then doing it in the preferences settings
[19:42] <Sarvatt> its leaving an extra metacity process running for some reason starting anything with --replace now
[19:53] <Sarvatt> ugh, fun, time for another 6 hour drm/mesa/ati compile session on the powerpc to update this stuff :D
[20:06] <Sarvatt> are we hurting anything by not having a libdrm-radeon1.symbols? or does it matter since libdrm-radeon1 has only existed during 2.4.11? i dont know how to generate one from scratch
[20:08] <jcristau> it doesn't hurt. just make sure you have proper shlibs
[20:36] <Sarvatt> wow, that was embarassing.. turns out my git pulls since the 0703 libdrm update were pulling into ../ instead of the current directory so none of the updates got applied. fixed that up just now by recreating everything. I need to work on a hook to integrate this into auto-xorg-git to avoid that kind of problem, we've been doing libdrm by hand since there are so many changes, easier to just keep debian/ around between updates than pull
[20:36] <Sarvatt> origin/ubuntu
[20:39] <Sarvatt> should have noticed the diff only had the changelog updated sooner
[22:57] <Sarvatt> tormod: had to wipe radeon-kms because of the libdrm problem, different arches have really long waits and it was pulling the screwed up one because the fixed ones hadnt been published yet, will be fixed soon because the mozilla/chromium stuff is almost done for amd64
[23:04] <Sarvatt> ppas arent detecting the depwait state and rebuilding when the dependencies can be met so no point repackaging things with bumped dependencies because I'd have to babysit the rebuild button anyway :D
[23:04] <Sarvatt> i386 is fine on edgers and xorg-testing at any rate
[23:06] <Sarvatt> will probably have to reupload later for amd64 if the things in the queue arent spaced out enough
[23:25] <jbarnes> arg!!
[23:25] <jbarnes> today must be X crash day
[23:26] <bryce> merry X-crash day jbarnes
[23:46] <RAOF> It's not "upgrade GDM from a VT day"?
[23:49] <Sarvatt> at least it wont happen again next GDM upgrade :D
[23:49] <Sarvatt> and the upgrade continues running even though it kills X and doesnt restart it
[23:51] <tormod> yes it seems the upgrade finishes anyway, because an apt-get install afterwards does nothing


[01:12] <jdong> charles_: uh oh it looks like Debian has went ahead and used the faulty 1.02 tarball to make their package... They just overrode the prefix in debian/rules. I wonder if we should tell em...
[01:13] <charles_> jdong: sure, go ahead
[01:15] <jdong> haha thanks for volunteering me ;-)
[01:15] <charles_> anytime ;)


[02:51] <cprofitt> ping -- do we have a known issue with the current daily build installing? I get a dialog box with ??? ??? as the title and information
[03:26] <cprofitt> anyone know what to do when ubuntu-bug fails to report a bug?
[03:35] <Noskcaj> cprofitt, just use launchpad
[03:36] <Noskcaj> And there's an option in apport to manually upload the extra info
[06:19] <pitti> Good morning
[06:20] <elfy> morning pitti :)
[06:32] <pitti> hey elfy
[06:43] <DanChapman> Good Morning
[06:48] <elfy> morning DanChapman
[07:04] <jibel> Good morning
[07:04] <elfy> jibel: can you do me a quick check - not sure if it is here or not - tracker appears to be down
[07:05] <elfy> awesome timing ...
[07:05] <elfy> and good morning too :)
[07:05] <jibel> elfy, hey, I'll check that
[07:05] <elfy> thanks :)
[07:09] <elfy> jibel: pretty sure it is - seem to be issues elsewhere - I'll ping vanguard in sysadmins
[07:09] <jibel> elfy, I notified the vanguard, waiting for his reply
[07:09] <elfy> aah ok - thanks
[07:15] <elfy> jibel: it's ok now
[07:16] <jibel> elfy, yeah, probably a magic incantation :)
[07:16] <elfy> yep - we have to get them to do the same for the forum :p
[07:28] <jibel> elfy, there are network issues and IS is working on figuring out what is happening
[07:31] <elfy> ok - I see the downtimes in various places http://status.admin.canonical.com/
[07:31] <elfy> off for a bit now - cya
[07:35] <maclin> balloons, hi, there is a critical problem about upgrade of ubuntu kylin： Bug #1298237， I want to know who is responsible for the upgrade on tracker:)
[07:36] <jibel> maclin, can you attach the content of the directory /var/log/dist-upgrade/ from the machine with this problem to the bug report?
[07:39] <maclin> jibel，of course. wait a moment.  I have installed the ubuntu-session by apt-get maunually which can solve this bug. But it's difficult for common users.
[07:39] <jibel> maclin, I understand, upgrade logs should contain the necessary information to troubleshoot this
[07:43] <maclin> jibel, I have attached the files
[07:43] <jibel> maclin, thanks, I'll have a look shortly
[07:48] <maclin> jibel, thanks:)
[08:00] <jibel> maclin, ubuntu-session is pulled as a dependency of ubuntu-desktop, and there is no *-desktop package installed on this system initially. If ubuntu-desktop is not installed by default on Ubuntu Kylin, you probably need to add ubuntu-session to another meta-package available on kylin
[10:04] <jibel> davmor2, when you're online I'd like to confirm this test. I did an OEM installation in French, the on end-user configuration I selected German, and the final system is in English.
[10:26] <davmor2> jibel: no worries I'll have a go
[10:27] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:29] <jibel> davmor2, good morning, thanks
[10:29] <jibel> davmor2, I filed bug 1307983
[11:34] <davmor2> jibel: I think the whole of this oem is in English,  I did French for the oem part and the Keyboards shortcuts is in English as is the Prepare for shipping to end user
[11:35] <davmor2> jibel: so are most of the menus only date time seems to be anything near correct
[12:09] <davmor2> jibel: so there are definitely issues there just confirming your bug
[12:11] <rvr> Hmm
[12:12] <rvr> In Trusty, when I switch to the n-th desktop, I cannot open the Dash
[12:12] <rvr> Quite weird
[12:13] <rvr> Maybe something crashed
[12:32] <maclin> jibel, I was away for a meeting this afternoon, thanks for your suggestion.  However  I wonder it is possible to update  packages now.
[12:34] <jibel> maclin, it sounds rather critical since after upgrade the system is unusable. If you have a fix ask on #ubuntu-release to have it published. Otherwise people on #ubuntu-devel can help you to find the right way to fix it.
[12:34] <maclin> another strange thing is that: the installed ubuntu kylin has ubuntu-session installed by default.  I can't confirm which dependency make it true
[12:36] <jibel> maclin, yes because ubuntu-session is probably seeded on Trusty images, but doesn't exist on Saucy. So on upgrade it is not installed because ubuntu-deskop is not installed either
[12:41] <maclin> jibel, that is  true, I got it, thanks:)
[12:42] <jibel> maclin, at this point I think I don't know enough how seed/dependencies are in Ubuntu Kylin to help you much I'm afraid :)
[12:47] <maclin> jibel, we ever implemented extra dependencies in ubuntukylin-default-settings. So we will try to add the ubuntu-session dependency in it. But I can't confirm wheather extra problems will be caused.
[13:02] <davmor2> jibel: no netboot installs?
[13:03] <jibel> davmor2, they're just missing from the tracker, I'm waiting for stgraber to know if I should just add them manually or if that will disturb any other process
[13:03] <jibel> davmor2, but feel free to test them :)
[13:03] <davmor2> jibel: okay
[13:18] <davmor2> jibel: do you have an installs that have binary drivers, I'm trying to install the nvidia drivers and it is failing
[13:30] <jibel> davmor2, I don't. How is it failing?
[13:30] <jibel> netboot images are on the tracker
[13:31] <davmor2> jibel: if I install the nvidia binary it looks like it is installing and then stays on nouvaeu
[13:39] <jibel> davmor2, is it after installation? you can ask tseliot on #ubuntu-x
[13:40] <jibel> he maintains nvidia drivers
[13:40] <davmor2> jibel: Yeah I'm talking to him now on ubuntu-desktop :)
[13:46] <jibel> \o/ upgrade with all the package in main and universe is successful
[13:46] <davmor2> jibel: mad fool
[13:47] <jibel> approximately 10k packages and 1200k files :)
[13:48] <jibel> correction, not all of main and universe, only packages with a desktop file
[13:48] <jibel> dpkg explodes around 20k packages anyway
[14:02] <davmor2> haha
[14:27] <elopio> balloons: I'm back. Where you looking for me?
[14:27] <balloons> elopio, welcome back.. Yes, a few things to square up on
[14:33] <balloons> elopio, I see you responded to the clock bug, awesome. The other question I had for you was on reminders and how things were going. I saw the pending mp, and the landing of a first test. Also good. Last but not least, did you get a chance to write the testing article?
[14:35] <elopio> balloons: I've been trying to reproduce the clock failure for a couple of weeks, I'll keep trying.
[14:35] <elopio> on reminders, it's going good but last week I had a holiday and couldn't continue. This week I'll add one or two more tests, the same next one.
[14:35] <elopio> and about the article, I'll need an extension :)
[14:36] <balloons> elopio, holidays are lovely.. I had one as well, so no worries
[14:37] <elopio> balloons: alesage and rvr are writing an article about generating code coverage reports.
[14:37] <elopio> I thought that would be good to have on developer.ubuntu.com too.
[14:37] <balloons> elopio, yes definitely
[14:37] <balloons> trying to get all that sort of stuff off random blogs and wikis
[14:38] <rvr> he
[14:38] <rvr> alesage wanted to blog it first ;)
[14:38] <alesage> hi balloons :) , actually I've been asked to figure out some licensing for some random CMake files
[14:38] <alesage> but thereafter yes I'll be blogging about
[14:39] <alesage> and we can make a standard method out of for developer.ubuntu.com e.g.
[14:39] <rvr> balloons: How does the content get feed into developer.ubuntu.com?
[14:40] <balloons> rvr, alesage my team maintains the site. If you want to add something, just ping me. It's easy enough to add
[14:40] <rvr> Ok
[14:40] <alesage> balloons, ok good to know thx :)
[14:42] <balloons> you can certainly post it on your blog or wherever else as well.. but handy info would be nice to get
[14:42] <alesage> I just want the clickthroughs, honestly
[14:43] <alesage> no just kidding :)
[15:02] <elopio> alesage, rvr: meeting.
[19:48] <davmor2> jibel: I just lost wifi that can't be good
[19:50] <davmor2> jibel: also can you open gedit and then see if you can save a file
[19:51] <jibel> davmor2, open gedit, where in a live session or after installation or ?
[19:51] <davmor2> jibel: on a fresh installed session
[19:51] <jibel> davmor2, let me try
[19:52] <davmor2> jibel: I only needed to paste the output of dmesg in it for the wifi hangup and it refuses to save the window greys out completely
[19:58] <davmor2> jibel: any joy?
[20:19] <jibel> davmor2, works fine. I copied/pasted dmesg and syslog, saved it and its ok
[20:20] <davmor2> jibel: it's okay it was Evolution that was killing it
[22:41] <phillw> balloons: is ubuntu studio struggling for testers?  a dvd is too big for me to pull in, i'm going to be heading of to netboot for i386 qnd AMD64... maybe some one with good bandwidth could help them?
[22:41] <balloons> phillw, yes.. studio and mythbuntu both needed help last itmew
[22:42] <phillw> balloons: well, that's your job :D
[22:42] <phillw> 5 hours for me grab a dvd...
[22:43] <phillw> i have one hour to go for the desktop for lubuntu-amd64... that's before i try installing... it is approaching mid night here :)
[22:50] <phillw> seriously.... 3 days for RC checking?...... Hmmmm....


[19:42] <FreeBDSM> Hardrada: 'block size'
[19:42] <mojtaba> Hello, do you know why the home directory is 100% used, although it has some free spaces? http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Jm4RdZRjMq/
[19:42] <geirha> so they used something like    sudo chown -R www-data /*   # Do NOT run this
[19:42] <Hardrada> FreeBDSM, ok thank you for that. But would you recomend to have 8000 for the swap size if i got 4g of ram ?.
[19:43] <FreeBDSM> Hardrada: I don't know
[19:43] <geirha> Pcost8300: typical case is doing it on  /foo/bar/* but accidentally getting a space at the wrong place, so it ends up as /foo/bar /*
[19:43] <Pcost8300> geirha: yes but i believed it was something done by a program, so then it was done by hand, wasnt it?
 so, he wants the win. so we're just gonna get lunch or something, then hes gonna push me to the ground and tap my ass with his foot so he can claim he "kicked my ass" tbh im going along with it becase I dont wanna lose any teeth
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[19:43] <pragmaticenigma> Hardrada: what are you trying to do?
[19:43] <Pcost8300> oh god
[19:44] <geirha> Pcost8300: could be either, but my guess would be done by a human by accident
[19:44] <Pcost8300> should i run chown -R root:root / ?
[19:44] <Blakes5> hey all, I had a 32 GB SD card that I used DD to copy to another 32 GB SD card. However, the destination card was slightly smaller than the origin and DD not caring about the size apparently wrote the partition larger than the disk. I've tried deleting the partition to no avail in Windows and Linux using gparted & fdisk. I've tried overwriting the partition table. That didn't work. Any suggestions on what else I could try?'
[19:44] <Hardrada> pragmaticenigma, increase my swap size. My laptop is getting slow. and i think the swap size can help me.
[19:44] <geirha> Pcost8300: No, lots of things should not be owned by root
[19:44] <geirha> best bet is a re-install, really
[19:44] <pragmaticenigma> Hardrada: that isn't how you do it
[19:45] <geirha> Pcost8300: though double check if it actually was recursive. is all files inside /bin also owned by www-data?
[19:45] <Hardrada> pragmaticenigma, :S so i cant make a swap file via the terminal ?. Do i have to reboot in to an usb / cd to do it from there?.
[19:45] <Pcost8300> geirha i see, then i need to check every folder... im trying to run postgresql and it keeps telling me denied permission
[19:46] <Pcost8300> yes it was
[19:46] <Pcost8300> boot, build, dev, etc, home
[19:46] <geirha> Pcost8300: ok, then you can also no longer use su or sudo, since these must be owned by root and have setuid set
[19:46] <pragmaticenigma> Hardrada: First, increasing swap size isn't going to solve a sluggish computer. It will increase the sluggish behavior because reading and writing to the harddrive versus RAM is much much much slower
[19:47] <Pcost8300> those that werent chowned are dev, proc, run and sys
[19:47] <pragmaticenigma> Hardrada: You would be better off determining what programs are utilizing more than their fair share of system resources and removing them.
[19:47] <Hardrada> pragmaticenigma, oh. Ok :P then I was wrong. Maybe i have to upgrade my laptop then.
[19:47] <geirha> Pcost8300: yeah those are separate filesystems that don't react to chowning
[19:47] <Pcost8300> geirha: i see, but i cannot run postgresql anymore
[19:48] <Pcost8300> and this is a server .. crap..
[19:48] <geirha> Pcost8300: you might have luck with chowning back enough files and then reinstalling and reconfiguring every single package, but a re-install will likely be much faster
[19:48] <geirha> or restore from backup
[19:48] <pragmaticenigma> Hardrada: Sounds like it might be the better path. If you are still interested in trying to increase or change the swap file, these instructions are very good at explaining each step and the impact to your system: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-add-swap-space-on-ubuntu-18-04
[19:48] <Pcost8300> geirha: ok, thank you for your advice
[19:48] <Pcost8300> i will try to do it so..
[19:48] <mojtaba> Hello, do you know why the home directory is 100% used, although it has some free spaces? http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Jm4RdZRjMq/
[19:50] <Hardrada> pragmaticenigma, thank you alot. I am currently considering the Dell Xps laptops as an replacement :).
[19:51] <pragmaticenigma> mojtaba: Size is calculated based on bytes used. However, files must be written to blocks. What you are likely seeing is all blocks of the partition are used, even though some space remains.
[19:51] <pragmaticenigma> Hardrada: If you are interested in recommendations, head over to the #ubuntu-offtopic room, there are many helpful people there that can offer recommendations and suggestions
[19:52] <mojtaba> pragmaticenigma: So what does it mean? In windows there is re-fragmentation, is there something like that in Ubuntu?
[19:52] <mojtaba> Can I still use my home dir, or is it likely to fail?
[19:52] <Hardrada> pragmaticenigma, ok, thank you for your time and help. I will look into it later.
[19:53] <pragmaticenigma> mojtaba: Out of space is out of space, I don't believe it's going to fail, however applications are more likely to crash if they are trying to write to the home directory
[19:53] <mojtaba> pragmaticenigma: but why it is showing that amount of available space? That's a big size.
[19:54] <TJ-> mojtaba: did you recently delete some large file(s) ?
[19:54] <TJ-> "809G  760G  7.6G 100% /home" suggests that some process still has a handle to a large file - hence (809-760) != 7.6
[19:54] <mojtaba> TJ-: yes, multiple files, with average of 500 Mg.
[19:55] <TJ-> mojtaba: the space isn't really freed until the last file handle is released, so likely something still has handles to them
[19:56] <mojtaba> TJ-: I guess I have mounted another filesystem in home before.
[19:56] <TJ-> mojtaba: you can check with this: "sudo ls -l /proc/[0-9]*/fd | grep deleted"
[19:56] <mojtaba> it is unmounted now.
 Could you please tell me, if i install postgresql again, it will erase all data i have in it?
[19:57] <Pcost8300> will all that data perish?
[19:57] <TJ-> the kernel keeps tabs on the handles in /proc/{pid-of-process}/fd/ with symlinks from the file descriptor number to the file. When a file has been unlinked it adds "(deleted)"
[19:57] <jar00st> hello
[19:58] <mojtaba> TJ-: There are a lot.
[19:58] <jar00st> can someone help me with a issue in ubuntu 18.04 with the network managment, i can't create a hotspot
[19:58] <TJ-> mojtaba: right, are the big files listed? if so make a note of the pid(s) of the processes holding them
[20:00] <mojtaba> TJ-: I don't see any big file. (I think I have mounted another file system in home directory before. Although it is unmounted now.) Could that be relevant?
[20:00] <TJ-> mojtaba: no, separate file-systems
[20:01] <TJ-> mojtaba: this will list the PIDs as well as the (deleted) files: "sudo find /proc/[0-9]*/fd -ls | awk '/deleted/{print $11, $13}' "
[20:02] <mojtaba> TJ-: No big file is listed.
[20:02] <geirha> Pcost8300: it won't touch the data, but you'll need to chown back the data files manually
[20:03] <TJ-> mojtaba: check the "df -h" output again, it may have changed
[20:03] <crmlt>  TJ-: tgx
 ok thank you man
[20:03] <mojtaba> TJ-: nope
[20:05] <TJ-> mojtaba: it could be inodes but I don't think that'd cause the df output for blocks used to be 100% ... try "df -i" to show inode usage, lots of small files can cause inode exhaustion even when there's free blocks
[20:06] <mojtaba> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bXnxRDX9cN/
[20:07] <TJ-> mojtaba: well it's not inodes! it's only used 3% on sda8
[20:07] <mojtaba> TJ-: I ran df -I
[20:08] <mojtaba> small i
[20:08] <TJ-> mojtaba: do you have quotas enabled?
[20:08] <mojtaba> TJ-: I am not sure, how can I check that?
[20:09] <TJ-> mojtaba: it might be worth trying the command as 'root' in case what you're seeing is related to the user. "sudo df -h /home"
[20:09] <TJ-> mojtaba: you'd know if you were :D
[20:09] <TJ-> mojtaba: I'm trying to figure out why the sums don't add up!
[20:10] <mojtaba> TJ-: /dev/sda8       809G  760G  7.6G 100% /home
[20:10] <TJ-> mojtaba: can you afford to do a reboot?
[20:11] <mojtaba> TJ-: :~ unfortunately not at the moment.
[20:11] <TJ-> mojtaba: if the values persist after a reboot I'm going to suggest an fsck is needed because I suspect the file-system meta-data is wrong. What type of file-system is sda8?
[20:12] <mojtaba> ext4
[20:12] <TJ-> mojtaba: nothing exotic then. Is this 18.04 Bionic?
[20:12] <mojtaba> TJ-: Nope, still 16.04 LTS
[20:13] <TJ-> mojtaba: I'll ask about; those figures look weird. I still think it's (deleted) files though!
[20:13] <mojtaba> TJ-: When I restarted, I will come back here if the figures were odd. :)
[20:13] <TJ-> mojtaba: can you afford to log-out/log-in so all $USER processes are terminated?
[20:14] <mojtaba> TJ-: :) That's like restart; actually I am in the middle of doing something.
[20:14] <Pcost8300> geirha: will you help with something please, how do i see all history of commands run on the terminal?
[20:14] <Pcost8300> i need all the information... sorry for bothering you
[20:14] <ioria> Bazman, how you doing ?
[20:14] <TJ-> Pcost8300: "history" command
[20:15] <geirha> Pcost8300: each interactive bash session will store its history in ~/.bash_history on exit
[20:16] <geirha> I'd start with looking at root's; /root/.bash_history
[20:16] <geirha> if the culprit is not there, start going through all users with sudo access
[20:16] <Pcost8300> oh ok thank you
[20:17] <geirha> though you're entering into people's privacy at this point
[20:17] <Pcost8300> geirha: this server wasnt supposed to be manipulated by anyone than me
[20:17] <Pcost8300> people for our team entered the server and made this modifications
[20:17] <Pcost8300> that's why i need
[20:17] <Pcost8300> all the history
[20:18] <geirha> next time, don't give everyone root access ;)
[20:18] <geirha> also next time, do backups
[20:19] <Pcost8300> now i regret not havent done that
[20:19] <Pcost8300> geirha: look this command is the one that caused this
[20:19] <Pcost8300> ?
[20:19] <Pcost8300> chown -R www-data: www-data / var / www / owncloud /
[20:19] <Pcost8300> exactly as it was typed
[20:20] <geirha> yup, that would definitely achieve this mess
[20:21] <geirha> on the upside, they locked themselves out of sudo
[20:22] <Pcost8300> how would iknow when was this command run?
[20:22] <Pcost8300> #1532638252
[20:22] <Pcost8300>  chown -R www-data: www-data / var / www / owncloud /
[20:22] <Pcost8300> that is the complete output of it
[20:22] <TJ-> Pcost8300: there's a pretty sane way to fix ownership/permissions I've used successfully.  Since i cant screenshot it i took a video. Here it is: https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ . Hope you can help me. Thanks in advance
[20:49] <gwen> stove: If you get a Kernel panic, it might be hardware
[20:49]  * gwen look at your video
[20:50] <stove> ‾\_(ツ)_/‾
[20:50] <pragmaticenigma> stove: Many of us are using Command line only IRC... You'll need to type the error message you are seeing in to chat please. Thanks
[20:51] <gwen> In a Kernel Panic
[20:51] <leftyfb> stove: do you need actual help or are you just here to troll?
[20:51] <BLZbubba> or some sort of pastebin
[20:51] <gwen> You won't see an ERROR message
[20:51] <stove> leftyfb: ‾\_(ツ)_/‾
[20:51] <ahi2> you've been rick-rolled
[20:51] <gwen> Unless mobo has COM ports
[20:51] <gwen> You enable Kernel debugging
[20:52] <leftyfb> stove: this is a support channel. trolling is offtopic here. Please go to #ubuntu-ops if you'd like help with trolling
[20:52] <leftyfb> gwen: it's a troll. No need to keep supporting
[20:52] <gwen> I will help anyone who needs help
[20:52] <stove> Ive joined it leftyfb
[20:53] <leftyfb> gwen: they don't need help
[20:53] <gwen> I am suppose to believe you leftyfb ?
[20:53] <stove> gwen: no
[20:53] <gwen> Check the time I joined
[20:54] <hggdh> stove: don't.
[20:54] <stove> hggdh: ?
[20:54] <hggdh> stove: as you have already been told, this is a support channel
[20:54] <gwen> stove: I don't know what they are talking about, seems to me an attacking behavior
 so, he wants the win. so we're just gonna get lunch or something, then hes gonna push me to the ground and tap my ass with his foot so he can claim he "kicked my ass" tbh im going along with it becase I dont wanna lose any teeth
[20:55] <badon158> With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/
[20:55] <stove> I need support
[20:55] <gwen> I won't believe what they say just because they say it
[20:55] <leftyfb> stove: with what?
[20:55] <stove> Panic
[20:55] <leftyfb> gwen: The link they posted is to a "rick roll" video. They don't actually need help with anything.
[20:55] <leftyfb> stove: please stop
[20:56] <stove> What?
[20:56] <gwen> I didn't check it
[20:57] <stove> No, it must be a panic
[20:57] <leftyfb> stove: please stop
[20:57] <gwen> But if I had did that, why is it your responsibility to tell everyone who is a troll?
[20:58] <leftyfb> gwen: because you're wasting your breath "helping" them when they are only trying to cause confusion and aggravation
[20:58] <hggdh> gwen: please stop as well
[20:58] <gwen> leftyfb: You take it out my hand to make my own decision?
[20:59] <leftyfb> gwen: you're welcome
[20:59] <gwen> What you are doing is shameless
[20:59] <hggdh> gwen: go to  -- say -- #ubuntu-discuss to keep on this
[20:59] <gwen> I love FOSS but I don't love this
[20:59] <hggdh> gwen: please stop
[21:00] <gwen> hggdh: I ask you, what part of GNU you are part of ?
[21:00] <gwen> I don't mind being banned again
 so, he wants the win. so we're just gonna get lunch or something, then hes gonna push me to the ground and tap my ass with his foot so he can claim he "kicked my ass" tbh im going along with it becase I dont wanna lose any teeth
[21:04] <bs25> With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/
[21:07] <gwen> How awesome that is to read... It doesn't get my vigour to want to actually do anything about it
 so, he wants the win. so we're just gonna get lunch or something, then hes gonna push me to the ground and tap my ass with his foot so he can claim he "kicked my ass" tbh im going along with it becase I dont wanna lose any teeth
[21:09] <gwen> NOPE
[21:10] <gwen> I believe in FREE SPEECH
[21:11] <Guest4094> What are you guys talking about here?     DOes anybody know how to set up an Xbox one controller ien wine or playonlinux ?
[21:16] <brainwash> zedfax: there is #wine and #playonlinux
[21:16] <brainwash> zedfax: #winehq actually
[21:18] <prohobo> alright bitches
[21:19] <prohobo> wrong channel
[21:19] <Swoopie> lol
[21:19] <zedfax> brainwash, sorry for posting here then. Thanks a lot for you kindness
[21:30] <jaya> hello
[21:30] <jaya> is any one there to reply
[21:31] <jaya> i want to install new version of os
[21:31] <jaya> mine is 14.04lts
[21:32] <jaya> i want to upgrade to 16.04lts
[21:32] <beowuff> I'm so confused on snaps. For example, I was thinking about installing quasselcore on a new box, but when I do a snap find quasselcore, I get two completely different snaps created by different people. Same version #. No idea how to tell the differences between them or which one I should choose...
[21:32] <TJ-> beowuff: welcome to the future :)
[21:33] <beowuff> I mean, choice is great, but I need more info XD
[21:33] <jaya> what more info do you need
[21:33] <beowuff> Why is there two? What's the difference between them?
[21:34] <nacc> beowuff: because anyhone can upload a snap; in this case, two differnet people did
[21:34] <nacc> beowuff: you should contact the snap owner to find out more info, imo
[21:34] <jaya> mine is 14.04lts os .now i want to upgrade to 16.04lts
[21:34] <nacc> beowuff: or see what, if anyting, upstream recommends, if they are the owner
[21:34] <nacc> jaya: do you want to upgrade or reinstall?
[21:35] <nacc> jaya: if in either case, just do it?
[21:35] <jaya> i want to upgrade
[21:36] <nacc> jaya: ok, go ahead?
[21:36] <nacc> jaya: you don't need our permission :)
[21:37] <jaya> i am getting an error message like'third party sources are disabeled'
[21:37] <nacc> jaya: that is not an error message, i believe it's an info/warning.
[21:38] <jaya> when i close this message upgrading stops
[21:38] <nacc> jaya: please use a pastebin and show the exact message, etc.
[21:40] <jaya> this is the message"Third party sources disabled
[21:40] <jaya> Some third party entries in your sources.list were disabled. You can re-enable them after the upgrade with the 'software-properties' tool or your package manager."
[21:41] <nacc> jaya: ok; that alone doesn't end the upgrade
[21:41] <nacc> jaya: what are you using to upgrade/
[21:42] <jaya> i used ubuntus software updater
[21:42] <nacc> jaya: can you try from the commandline? `sudo do-release-upgrade`
[21:44] <Guest98324> Anything interesting in the chat room today?
[21:44] <nacc> Guest98324: that's not how this channel works.
[21:44] <Guest98324> Really, how does it work?
[21:44] <nacc> Guest98324: this is the ubuntu suport channel. Do you have an ubuntu suppor question?
[21:47] <Guest98324> Yes... I have one which is kinda unrelated but I am tempted to ask it.... Where is the support team located and how many employees you have if you don't mind me asking
[21:47] <nacc> Guest98324: this is a volunteer channel
[21:47] <nacc> Guest98324: and no, that's not a relevant question to this channel
[21:49] <jaya> it is saying the the same reply"third party resources disabled"
[21:49] <Guest98324> LOL, so where is the volunteered team located, just curious and I suppose it's not that irrelevant since you already answered
[21:49] <hggdh> Guest98324: anywhere in the world
[21:50] <nacc> jaya: and then does it exit?
[21:50] <Guest98324> I see... so what about the servers, datacenter and so forth?
[21:51] <nacc> Guest98324: perhaps ask this in #ubuntu-discuss
[21:52] <Guest98324> So, what does it take to be a voluteered in terms of technical abilities?
[21:52] <jaya> want me to press enter"as you can re-enable them after the upgrade with the software properties toolsor your package manager"
[21:52] <nacc> jaya: ... yes?
[21:53] <jaya> No,it want me to press enter
[21:53] <nacc> jaya: I don't know what you mean
[21:53] <jaya> want me to press enter"as you can re-enable them after the upgrade with the software properties toolsor your package manager"
[21:53] <jaya> this is the message it has shown there
[21:54] <nacc> jaya: are you asking a question? if you are asking, "should I press enter?", then "yes, you should"
[21:58] <nuevo> Hi all
[22:01] <nuevo> I don't know if I have a virus because appears printers
[22:02] <nuevo> Xerox_VersaLink_C405_64_4b_58_      MX_2640N_4507240Y00_
[22:02] <jaya> it is showing"an resolvable error has occured due to(1.upgrading to a pre-elease version of ubuntu ,2.Running the current pre-release version of ubuntu,3.unofficia software packages not provided by ubuntu )".then it terminated
[22:04] <nacc> jaya: what does `lsb_release -sd` say?
[22:05] <jaya> no command 'lsb ' found
[22:05] <nacc> jaya: that was not the command i said to run
[22:05] <nacc> jaya: `lsb_release -sd`
[22:06] <nacc> ther is an underscore between 'lsb' and 'release'
[22:07] <jaya> 14.04.5LTS
[22:07] <freecom> hi
[22:09] <nacc> jaya: not sure; plenty of people have done the upgrade. Did you try disabling manually any 3rd party repos?
[22:10] <tomreyn> !details | nuevo
[22:10] <jaya> no,i haven't changed any.first of all ,i dont know what is a third party repos
[22:10] <nacc> jaya: anything not provided by ubuntu
[22:12] <jaya> i did not understand , what do you mean by "anything not provided by ubuntu"
[22:12] <nacc> jaya: a third party repository is one not provided by ubuntu. e.g., a PPA, or something you added by hand following online instructions.
[22:13] <jaya> no,i did not
[22:13] <nacc> jaya: can you pastebin `sudo apt-get update` output?
[22:17] <jaya> W: unknown Multi-arch 'no' for package ('compiz-core','compiz-gnome')
[22:17] <jaya> there are many lines like the above
[22:18] <nacc> jaya: sounds like something is messed up already on your system; maybe someone else can help you debug it
[22:19] <jaya> can you tell where can i find the third party repos
[22:19] <nacc> jaya: /etc/apt/sources.list*
[22:19] <tomreyn> (this '*' is there on purpose)
[22:20] <nacc> tomreyn: thanks :)
[22:20] <nacc> jaya: it might be in /etc/apt/sources.list or a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[22:20] <tomreyn> nacc: not sure it needed an explanation, so just in case ;)
[22:20] <jaya> bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: permission denied
[22:21] <nacc> jaya: you don't run them, they are text files.
[22:21] <jaya> this is the output when i ran that command
[22:21] <nacc> jaya: it's not a command.
[22:22] <nacc> jaya: tbh, it seems like you might lack some basic knowledge of using ubuntu; do you really have data you need to keep on your 14.04 system?
[22:26] <jaya> i just started. and i recently installed ubuntu.
[22:27] <nacc> jaya: oh, then yeah, you probably don't have any data, or not much. Back it up to a USB drive or somewhere, and reinstall 18.04.
[22:27] <nacc> !manual | jaya: and read the manual...
[22:27] <nacc> I think there are other guides on the wiki as well
[22:28] <jaya> ok thank you
[22:32] <nuevo> tomreyn and ubottu, I don't have any errors, I delete the printers and they appears again afterwhile.
[22:33] <nacc> nuevo: if they are network printers, they are just found as visible on your network with latest ubuntu
[22:35] <tomreyn> nuevo: this is (very) most likely not a virus.
[22:37] <nuevo> nacc  and tomreyn thank you, I was worried about this
[22:47] <nuevo> Hello , How can I copy configuration from new user to old user? .  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HRDtYXFY2c/
[22:53] <BarBQ> I added disk in ESXi 100 GB, thin provision and it was suppose to increase the root disk "System will auto detect new disk and use it to expand Root Filesystem." Well it didn't and then i powered the machine down and removed the disk and now i have some initramfs prompt that comes up when i boot.
[22:54] <BarBQ> Is  there a way to fix this or should i snapshot back? Should i now have used thin provision?
[22:54] <meyou> where did you see "System will auto detect new disk and use it to expand Root Filesystem."
[22:56] <BarBQ> meyou i followed this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr62jmH04qQ&index=6&list=PLF8yvsYkPZQ0myW7aVMZ80k8FU04UUgjV
[23:11] <BarBQ> is there anything i can do when i get the initramfs prompt?
[23:27] <TJ-> BarBQ: "cat /proc/cmdline" to check the ROOT= device name, then "blkid" and "ls /dev/block/ /dev/mapper/" and "cat /proc/partitions" to see if the block device is there
[23:53] <yuken> How do I permanently change my hostname on 18.04?
[23:53] <yuken> I've changed /etc/hostname and rebooted, doesn't work.
[23:56] <Jens> yuken: Did you also change /etc/hosts?
[23:57] <yuken> There was no hostname in there, Jens.
[23:57] <leftyfb> yuken: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-change-hostname-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux   found by googling "ubuntu 18.04 change hostname"
[23:57] <yuken> leftyfb, can't access google or, for some reason, any website right now.
[23:58] <leftyfb> why is that?
[23:58] <yuken> No clue.
[23:58] <leftyfb> shouldn't we be diagnosing that instead?
[23:58] <Jens> What that link says is basically "$ sudo hostnamectl set-hostname linuxconfig"
[23:58] <leftyfb> Jens: not really
[23:58] <Jens> "linuxconfig" being the new hostname.
[23:59] <leftyfb> yuken: edit /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg
[23:59] <leftyfb> Jens: change preserve_hostname: true
[23:59] <yuken> I did add in the hostname into hosts myself when I saw it didn't exist though, pointing @ <IP_ADDRESS> jason-server
[23:59] <leftyfb> yuken: change preserve_hostname: true
[23:59] <leftyfb> yuken: leave that entry in hosts, do not change or remove the ip
[23:59] <yuken> It wasn't there to start with, leftyfb :p


[03:25] <kjw75> hey ya'll
[03:32] <jsgotangco> hi
[09:42] <willvdl> morning guys
[09:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi mate
[09:46] <Burgundavia> hey willvdl
[09:46] <willvdl> see, even duting my holidays it's hard to stay away from you people
[09:46] <willvdl> during rahter
[12:23] <LaserJock> ogra: up yet?
[12:26] <LaserJock> ogra: well, I'll see you when I get up but you might be interested in https://code.launchpad.net/~laserjock/debian-cd/devel and http://laserjock.us/files/gai.png
[02:24] <cdealer> hi... my edubuntu server instalation hangs on 72% when is instaling wvdial... any ideia?
[02:53] <ogra> cdealer, did you run the cd selftest ?
[03:18] <cdealer> [ogra] : noo... I will do now =)
[04:59] <a_person> hey, I have to make a few hundred users and I would like them all to have the same settings like the desktop background and menus edited in alacarte. I tried by copying a model "home" to /etc/skel, but that just kept the same desktop icons. Any help?
[05:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> a_person, looked at sabayon?
[05:01] <a_person> Kamping_Kaiser: what is that?
[05:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> a_person, a tool for customising user logins
[05:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> thers another that i dont remember
[05:04] <a_person> Kamping_Kaiser: great, this might work, i'll give it a try. Thanks.
[05:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> gl
[08:13] <andrew____> Can someone tell me whether Wyse thin clients can run LTSP?  (I'm looking at the S50, V50L, and V50)  I'm confused by the local Linux installation they seem to come with.
[09:14] <LaserJock> ogra: did you get my message?