[00:04] <daftykins> i just turned 30, chaps
[00:04] <daftykins> :(
[00:07] <shauno> :(
[00:08]  * daftykins is scared
[00:08] <shauno> well, you should be.  the best years of your life are officially over, and it's all downhill until bedpans from here
[00:08] <daftykins> \o/
[00:09] <daftykins> never was a truer word spoken
[00:10] <shauno> the trick from here, is to quit thinking about it
[00:11] <shauno> when I realised that people leaving school, weren't born when I left school, I felt old.
[00:11] <daftykins> i see, imagine i don't know, eh?
[00:11] <shauno> just never do the  math and you'll be fine :)
[00:19] <zmoylan-pi> or do it in base 16...
[00:22] <daftykins> time for more beer methinks
[00:22] <shauno> that sounds a lot like my 30th :)
[00:24] <popey> \o/ beer
[00:25] <daftykins> :D
[00:26] <daftykins> a local mate shares my birthday so i'm relying on his surprise event on Saturday for more of an effort really ;)
[01:21] <mapp> major crimes is so good:D
[02:13] <mapp> did u ever try pidora zmoylan-pi?
[02:21] <zmoylan-pi> i'm happy with raspian at the mo.
[02:21] <zmoylan-pi> might play with a few other oses when i finally get a pi 2.  but i need a hdmi monitor first
[02:59] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: VGA only in your parts?
[03:06] <zmoylan-pi> they've worked till now.  had to connect my current pi to scart to set it up.  now connect via ssh or vnc
[03:15] <mapp> ah ok
[03:15] <mapp> i just use mine with tv
[03:16] <mapp> im ordering a pi2..but have to get it sent to spain lol
[03:16] <mapp> cant order anything to gibraltar :(
[03:16] <daftykins> weird :S
[03:18] <zmoylan-pi> it's one of those 'parts of the uk' right until you want something delivered there
[03:19] <daftykins> same drama as here
[03:19] <daftykins> hmm i wonder if amazon UK crawled back to life yet
[03:19] <zmoylan-pi> see northern ireland
[03:24] <zmoylan-pi> is there a parcelmotel service that would do the delivery end of things?
[03:27] <mapp> i managed to order 1 cable off amazon but laptop..rasperry pi all said no
[03:27] <mapp> even protein lol myprotein.co.uk wanted 60quid for delovery O_o
[03:28] <zmoylan-pi> worst delivery story goes to a guy i worked with.  he wanted to buy a dvd when dvds were new and shiny.
[03:28] <daftykins> well if love is involved too...
[03:28] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: ooh do tell :D
[03:29] <zmoylan-pi> he's a batman fan and they announced a special batman animated dvd. it was never going to be shown unedited on tv.  he had to have it
[03:29] <zmoylan-pi> so he waited till it was released and they announced it was only region 1.  so no dvds for europe
[03:30] <zmoylan-pi> so he organised with family members in usa to send it to him when he had it delivered to there place.
[03:30] <daftykins> this was prior to DVD Jon presumably? :>
[03:30] <zmoylan-pi> then they wouldn't let a european order a usa dvd for reasons we could never quite work out
[03:31] <daftykins> the whole of space-time will collapse!
[03:31] <zmoylan-pi> he was prepared, when he bought a dvd player he bought a region free dvd player
[03:31] <zmoylan-pi> so he sent money to usa relatives and they ordered it and posted it to him.
[03:31] <zmoylan-pi> drove him bonkers every step...
[03:31] <mapp> dvd john?:)
[03:31] <mapp> lol hassle zmoylan-pi :)
[03:32] <zmoylan-pi> and then 2 days before it arrived someone broke into his house and stole his tv and dvd player
[03:32] <zmoylan-pi> so he had a dvd in his hands and no way to view it.  laptops were only just beginning to ship with dvd drives.
[03:33] <daftykins> mapp: teenager that cracked the DVD encryption, ja
[03:33] <daftykins> at least he was a teen at the time, 13-15 iirc
[03:33] <zmoylan-pi> only machine in the office with dvd belonged to boss.  and refused to play region 1.
[03:33] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: lmao
[03:33] <daftykins> that is one impressive tale
[03:33] <zmoylan-pi> took me an hour to flip it to region 1 in firmware but i thought he was going to lose it at that point :-)
[03:34] <mapp> whle thing wouldve driven me mad
[03:34] <mapp> the shipping hassle and sods law of being burgled
[03:35] <zmoylan-pi> he had gone out of his way when getting a dvd player to make sure it was region free as he knew he'd end up with 1-2 dvds from usa.  wasn't easy back then.
[03:36] <daftykins> :>
[03:36] <daftykins> and now you can just rip fine
[03:36] <mapp> yea
[03:36] <daftykins> although de-interlacing NTSC DVDs is a tad tedious
[03:36] <zmoylan-pi> so now he just torrents everything.  he'll try and buy it but once he hits any little bumps he remembers the batman dvd and nearly popping an artery trying to get it and watch it
[03:38] <daftykins> 8)
[03:57] <mapp> hm that film wasnt bad
[03:57] <mapp> no good deed with idris elba
[04:21] <mapp> hm#
[04:21] <mapp> almost bed time
[06:18] <knightwise> Yawn
[06:18] <knightwise> time to get up
[06:31] <zmoylan-pi> fight those urges
[07:50] <knightwise> morning peeps
[07:57] <MooDoo> morning
[08:07] <knightwise> hey MooDoo
[08:07] <knightwise> how are you doing today !
[08:07] <knightwise> :)
[08:07]  * knightwise figured out why the wifi was a tad slow on his surface pro
[08:09] <MooDoo> knightwise: yeah I'm ok thanks
[08:13] <knightwise> hmm... 128 gig of storage is kinda on the small side
[08:13] <knightwise> I had this great 64 gig Micro SD card I could have popped in .. but I lost it somewhere :(:(
[08:15] <knightwise> MooDoo: what machine are you currently working on btw ?
[08:18] <SuperMatt> morning all
[08:18] <knightwise> hey SuperMatt
[09:24] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Pancake Day!  At work ?
[10:57] <MooDoo> diplo: shhhhh garage ;)
[10:57] <diplo> How do you get around mail etc on a dsl/cable line ?
[10:58] <MooDoo> diplo: 15 sites doesn't generate much traffic, so it's been ok so far :D
[10:58] <davmor2> MooDoo: is a Shhhhhhh garage just a lie,  I'd of thought hmmmmmmmmmmm garage would of been closer with all those fans spinning
[10:58] <MooDoo> it's only 3 servers, one nas and a desktop
[10:59] <davmor2> MooDoo: that's a lot of spinny things then :P
[10:59] <MooDoo> dries your hair if you've just been in the shower ;)
[10:59] <MooDoo> diplo: it's not ideal, but it works for me at the moment
[11:01] <MartijnVdS> I need to fix my new router to make less fan noises
[11:01] <popey> davmor2: managed to resist, had two, and saved 6 for the kids.
[11:04] <diplo> It was to the point that a lot of isp's block stuff now adays for hosting stuff at home
[11:04] <popey> https://www.etsy.com/shop/RabbitEngineering?section_id=16362079&ref=shopsection_leftnav_1
[11:04] <popey> SO CUTE!
[11:09] <MooDoo> diplo: i've been doing it ages and not been penalised yet, I think they are ok with home hosting, just not if i'm maxing the connection constantly
[11:10] <diplo> ah right, well my line is to rubbish to host anything on, go with a digital ocean droplet for a few quid a month :)
[11:10] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: I have one of these at home: http://routerboard.com/RB1100AHx2 (overkill³)
[11:11] <davmor2> diplo: on virgin it's fine as long as you use standard ports it's in the t's and c's
[11:11] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: they don't care about hosting stuff at home here -- they can't really complain when selling 500/500 ;)
[11:11] <diplo> I'm debating going back to Virgin
[11:14] <popey> I have run stuff at home on virgin for _years_
[11:14] <popey> never been a problem
[11:16] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: nice though, i'm just using 2 x 8 port switches
[11:17] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: so I can have one nic on one switch and the other nic on the other switch :D
[11:21] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: this one should be able to do 1.5 gigabits of ipsec.. apparently
[11:21] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: (so en/decrypting)
[11:22] <MartijnVdS> so a little 500/500 home routing is peanuts
[11:24] <czajkowski> RAT tickets booked :D
[11:26] <popey> \o/
[11:27] <diplo> MooDoo, what do you do about fixed ip, taking it virgin still don't offer that?
[11:27] <popey> dynamic dns
[11:27] <popey> popey.mooo.com points to my home
[11:27] <popey> afraid.org do dynamic dyns
[11:27] <diplo> Yeah I've used them before, I guess if you pay for the solution you can sort mail records etc
[11:28] <popey> i wouldn't do mail at home
[11:31] <MooDoo> diplo: no static, I just use no-ip but it hasn't changed in awhile
[11:31] <MooDoo> i use afraid.org as well
[11:33] <diplo> yeah I remember mine used to change once every 9 months or so, or if we had a powercut
[11:34] <davmor2> diplo: http://store.virginmedia.com/the-legal-stuff/acceptable-use-policy.html section 7
[11:34] <davmor2> diplo: +1 on no-ip
[11:36] <diplo> yeah I already use dynamic, just wondering what VM were like now adays, been a few years for me
[11:37] <diplo> One of the biggest issues I had was when torrenting ( legitimately or not ) it used to kill the line
[11:37] <diplo> Whats the like now ?
[11:37] <davmor2> diplo: as long as you turn superhub to modem only mode it just works
[11:37] <diplo> Cool, well they keep spamming me with letters of offers so I guess I may take them up on it
[11:46] <popey> yeah, superhub in modem only mode and add a router in front of it = win
[11:47] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[11:57] <awilkins> You do have a pick a router that can route WAN -> LAN at a high enough speed
[11:58] <awilkins> For dynamic DNS I use duckdns these days
[11:58] <awilkins> You can set up a client to refresh it really simply with curl or wget
[11:58] <awilkins> Although my IP hardly ever changes, as above
[12:01] <intrbiz> bigcalm: morning
[12:02] <diplo> I've got a Draytek 2830 that does Cable or DSL, probably stay with that for now
[12:02] <intrbiz> we have a Draytek in the office, horride device
[12:04] <awilkins> I went for an ASUS RT-N16 because it's relatively modern, routes fast enough for 100Mbit/s, and is well supported by OpenWRT
[12:07] <intrbiz> I use an old mini-itx board at home, PPPoE for the ADSL line and a ton of OpenVPN clients
[12:08] <diplo> I used to use a mini-itx till it died
[12:08] <diplo> What don't you like about the Drayteks ? We use them all over
[12:09] <diplo> Only reason I have the draytek is that it was sat in my office doing nothing, had the original Sagem horrible thing at home before
[12:09] <intrbiz> diplo: overpriced, awful (I mean truely terrible) web interface are the two main reasons
[12:09] <diplo> I'd agree with overpriced, although we never have issues with them. Rock solid up time etc
[12:10] <diplo> Web interface I guess I've got used to now :/
[12:38] <knightwise> I was wondering if its possible to put a standard router you buy in the shop into 'real' router mode
[12:38] <knightwise> hence to link up 2 subnets WITHOUT the nat translaion
[12:39] <knightwise> Thing is , i'm currently trying to seperate the networks from my own company and the one for my geeky projects
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: routerboard.com ;)
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: also VLANs
[12:40] <MartijnVdS> (consumer routers can do VLANs, but not with stock firmware, at least not easily; openwrt can do it, but it's also a hassle; RouterOS/Routerboard stuff just has it built in, clicky clicky)
[12:40] <knightwise> hm :) I have the ac66ru from Asus
[12:40] <knightwise> It supports vlans i think
[12:41] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: I have this at home http://routerboard.com/RB1100AHx2 (way overpowered), but for most home use scenarios, RB750GL would be more than enough.
[12:41] <MartijnVdS> Or one of the RB2011 series
[12:41] <knightwise> Cool beans
[12:42] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: they also have managed/manageable 5-port gigabit switches for the same price as expensive non-managed ones in stores
[12:43] <knightwise> True. but even if I have 2 vlans I need to have some routing inbetweeen
[12:43] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: http://routerboard.com/RB750GL
[12:43] <knightwise> mmmm :) Coolz
[12:43] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: you can try the OS in a VM -- they offer CD install images for download (24 hour trial)
[12:44] <knightwise> That wouldn't be a bad idea actually . I could run a vm router on my home server , pop in a second network card and hook that up to the 2nd subnet
[12:44] <brobostigon> mikrotik.com
[12:44] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: with vlans, you don't need the second card. it's all tagged traffic on the same cable
[12:45] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: exactly -- it has CD installer images to download (for a "router" VM)
[12:45] <brobostigon> yes.
[12:45] <MartijnVdS> I'm using these devices for wifi deployments at small companies too now
[12:46] <MartijnVdS> ("waiting room wifi")
[12:46] <knightwise> as a vm ?
[12:46] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: no for the wireless networks I deploy actual devices they offer
[12:47] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: but on mikrotik.com you can download x86 CD images that you can use to install a virtual machine with their RouterOS
[12:47] <MartijnVdS> (and it'll be a trial that works for 24 hours; if you like it you can buy a license or some dedicated hardware)
[12:47] <knightwise> and then assign to virtual network cards to it
[12:49] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: yeah you could do that. Create VLAN interfaces on the host, create several virtual NICs on the guest, and use those. Or give one virtual NIC, bridged with your real NIC to the guest, and have it do the VLAN stuff itself
[12:51] <MartijnVdS> (otherwise you'd get vlan-in-vlan if you created VLANs inside the VM; that's usually not what you ant)
[12:51] <MartijnVdS> +w
[12:52] <knightwise> :) making it a little too complex for a home network here  :)
[12:53] <shauno> I think that's just the scenario if you try to use a VM as a router.  if you buy a box it looks totally normal
[12:53]  * zmoylan-pi looks at my wifi ap connected to my landlords ap for free internet...
[12:58] <knightwise> Yaaaawn
[12:59] <knightwise> afternoon fatige
[12:59]  * brobostigon drafts a coffee/tcp protocol.
[13:00] <zmoylan-pi> ping times increase with repeated usage?
[13:01] <brobostigon> ping times increase in cold weather, as it takes longer to heat water.
[13:03] <zmoylan-pi> and an 'out of coffee' error would see the system going slower and slower before stopping completely
[13:04] <brobostigon> yep.
[13:20] <knightwise> hmmm
[13:20] <knightwise> i assume program manager in the US is a timelord
[13:21] <knightwise> she obviously has not comprehension of linear time
[13:21] <zmoylan-pi> could be a prophet from the wormhole...
[13:22] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: Ive never seen her before
[13:22] <knightwise> she could be non-coporial
[13:43] <davmor2> Currently loving the Mars one up dogs advert
[13:47] <diddledan> ello folks
[13:51] <davmor2> diddledan: o/
[13:51] <Laney> someone just showed me a taylor swift song
[13:51] <Laney> quite liking it to be quite honest with you
[13:52] <knightwise> we weep for you
[13:52]  * MooDoo slaps laney
[13:52] <MooDoo> "this sick beat"   omg i've just breached copyright
[13:52]  * knightwise runs around screaming 'the end of the world'
[13:52] <Laney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfWlot6h_JM
[13:52] <Laney> give it a chance
[13:52] <MooDoo> no
[13:52] <MooDoo> it's crap
[13:52] <Laney> nope!
[13:52] <MooDoo> sorry did i just say that out loud
[13:53] <MooDoo> someone mentions taylor swift and my instant reaction is CRAP! lol ooops
[13:53] <knightwise> Laney: its not bad considering most forms of crap that passes for pop music these days
[13:54] <diddledan> Laney, thank goodness it's not more gangsta turd :-p
[13:55] <knightwise>  diddledan I agree.
[13:55] <knightwise> it might be my age showing but pop music doesn't seem to do it for me these days
[13:56] <diddledan> knightwise, gangsta really gets my goat riled
[13:56] <Laney> haha
[13:56] <Laney> good job you get to like what you want eh
[13:57] <knightwise> whenever the words 'Club , homeys, hood, gansta, money, nigga, cops or my personal favorite "booty" are part of the lyrics .. i'm out !
[13:57] <daftykins> afternoonings
[13:57] <diddledan> knightwise, and "pop a cap"
[13:57] <diddledan> allo daftykins
[13:57] <daftykins> that'd be the popcap games right out, then
[13:58] <davmor2> Laney: No I'm MooDoo the worst of the 80's/90's/00's music wasn't that awful
[13:58] <daftykins> happy 30th to daftykins \o/
[13:58] <knightwise> daftykins: congrats ! you are 10 years my junior :p
[13:58] <daftykins> ^_^ thanks
[13:58] <daftykins> it feels... nasty.
[13:58] <popey> Laney: i love that sony :)
[13:58] <popey> *song
[13:59] <Laney> yeah whatever, go write something off because it's popular
[13:59] <daftykins> not being your junior, but being 30 :D
[13:59] <Laney> popey: the video is great too
[13:59] <popey> yes
[13:59] <popey> Sophie did a dance to that in the panto this year
[13:59] <popey> made it stick in my head
[13:59] <diddledan> daftykins, happy "yet another day"
[13:59] <davmor2> daftykins: hippo birdy
[14:00] <daftykins> hippos! \o/
[14:00] <popey> I'd not seen that video before, it's excellent fun.
[14:01]  * popey adds to special list.
[14:01] <daftykins> i love that i don't even know who that girl is
[14:01] <davmor2> popey, Laney: I think there are much better earworms than that
[14:01] <daftykins> watched a bit, but nah - off
[14:01] <popey> well, you do know who it is
[14:02] <popey> because Laney explicitly said Taylor Swift
[14:02] <daftykins> you know what i mean :P
[14:02] <popey> i properly don't
[14:02] <daftykins> prior to clicking i couldn't have pointed her out in a crowd
[14:02] <popey> davmor2: come up with one that is from the last 10 years and not your 1000 hits of the 80s cds :)
[14:02] <popey> me either.
[14:02]  * daftykins tucks into his Boots triple-pack sandwich and coffee
[14:02] <popey> don't see that it's remarkable though
[14:03] <popey> although I follow her on twitter
[14:03] <popey> https://twitter.com/swiftonsecurity
[14:03] <popey> so her face stares out of the screen at me now and then
[14:04] <daftykins> there seems to be a bit of fuss about her in another channel today, but i really can't say i see it
[14:04] <daftykins> ho-hum, not a topic for this channel anywho :)
[14:04] <awilkins> Mmn, eggy in the basket
[14:05] <Laney> just wanted to share a recent in my humble opinion pretty good pop tune
[14:05] <Laney> next time i'll redress the balance with some gregorian chants
[14:05] <davmor2> popey: 2013 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mGBaXPlri8  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRMOMjCoR58 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CevxZvSJLk8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaAVByGaON0  do you want more? I have lots
[14:05] <popey> oh dear http://english.alarabiya.net/en/variety/2015/02/16/Saudi-cleric-Sun-revolves-around-stationary-Earth.html
[14:05] <popey> haha, good call davmor2
[14:06] <popey> not heard tatu for a long while
[14:06] <Laney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcDy8HEg1QY 1994
[14:06] <diddledan> tatu? they're fun!
[14:06] <davmor2> popey: there is all about us by tatu too
[14:06] <davmor2> popey: were they new enough?
[14:07] <popey> :)
[14:07] <popey> lulz Laney
[14:07] <daftykins> i've decided i quite like the spam email someone forwarded to me, asking why they couldn't block it. it doesn't have a 'from' address :)
[14:08] <Laney> this song reminds me of the big breakfast
[14:08] <Laney> not sure why
[14:08] <popey> i used to love the big breakfast
[14:08] <popey> would set my alarm for 10 to 7, switch on tv in bed and watch it for 2 hours then go to work
[14:08] <Laney> zig and zag from the planet zog
[14:08] <popey> ya
[14:08] <popey> friend of mine was in the bathroom with zig and zag once
[14:08] <davmor2> popey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B32yjbCSVpU
[14:08] <popey> they wanted people with strange phobias
[14:09] <MartijnVdS> Laney: https://www.youtube.com/user/ZoggFromBetelgeuse
[14:09] <popey> she pretended to be afraid of wooden spoons
[14:09] <popey> and her friend was afraid of beards
[14:09] <davmor2> Laney: Mr Blobby I think wins the most annoying earworm
[14:09] <popey> naturally zig and zag put false beards on and waved spoons about
[14:10] <daftykins> XD
[14:10] <davmor2> popey: this is quiet earwormy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ejga4kJUts
[14:10] <popey> did you know they filmed the zig and zag bits on separate days, in batches
[14:11] <popey> and had to ensure chris wore the same shirt for continuity
[14:13] <davmor2> popey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoQYw49saqc
[14:14] <davmor2> popey: and finally https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KEEXyRL0qE
[14:15] <popey> wow, i forgot they wore ski jackets
[14:16] <daftykins> the other Cranberries stuff is ace :)
[14:16] <knightwise> Dog loves to take food out of his bowl and to come eat it right next to me
[14:16] <knightwise> cruncy sounds = driving me bonkers
[14:17] <knightwise> its like an auditory ddos to my thinking process
[14:18] <davmor2> knightwise: haha
[14:22] <davmor2> popey: on top of that there is anything by Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, Beyonce, shakira (especially when ever where ever), tatu, Evanescence, Meggan whatever her name is (all about the base, lips are Movin' etc),
[14:23] <davmor2> the list goes on and on
[14:24] <davmor2> If I go back another 10 years however then you start with Prodigy and it goes down hill fast from there :)
[14:30] <intrbiz> argh, the drone for the workmen's generator (replacing gas mains) is driving me nuts
[14:31] <davmor2> popey: definitely finally https://www.youtube.com/watch?hl=en-GB&v=9bZkp7q19f0&gl=GB
[14:35] <popey> Nope nope nope :)
[14:39] <davmor2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ6zr6kCPj8
[14:39] <davmor2> just leave that there for popey
[14:45] <davmor2> popey: not don't listen to this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRfuAukYTKg :D
[14:48] <MooDoo> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OY-0nbmIZe4 just leave this one for you all too
[14:51] <Greblus> Hi I'm gona need a hand in half an hour to get "HugeGreenBugs_Ubuntu_14.04_64bit_for_Acer_C720" setup for an C720P .. is anyone going to be around ?
[14:52] <diddledan> err..
[14:52] <Greblus> Just need a hand with the partitions on the USB. at installation options (please).
[14:55] <daftykins> ugh another chromebook buyer
[14:55] <daftykins> Greblus: there are roughly a billion guides online
[14:55] <davmor2> popey: and of course https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWgvGjAhvIw
[15:31] <knightwise> Greblus: are you going to use crouton or dual boot ?
[15:32] <knightwise> daftykins: be nice :) Its just another linux user like us
[15:32] <diddledan> knightwise, "one of us"
[15:32] <zmoylan-pi> there are no other linux users like daftykins :-P
[15:33] <knightwise> lol
[15:33] <knightwise> Greblus: i would make the suggestion to use crouton if you are quite new to the whole thing. It makes for a good system for hardware compatibility
[15:48] <diddledan> lol, windows has a "god mode"? http://winsupersite.com/windows-10/enabling-godmode-windows-10
[15:50] <diddledan> it looks to be just an aggregation of every accessible setting from the control panel into a single list
[15:54] <Greblus> knightwise, Saw your podcast recently, It must have been a second attempt at the chromebook podcast, I think.Well done  I shall be with you once I've uploaded where I am upto on imgur .. hold tight (10-15,minutes possibly). Thanks for your help so far.
[15:54] <diddledan> knightwise has a podcast?
[15:54] <diddledan> knightwise, are you holding out on me?!
[16:00] <knightwise> Greblus: thanx :)
[16:01] <knightwise> check the website for during that week we have done "chromebook week" with quite a few posts on how to get it all working
[16:01] <knightwise> diddledan: you didn"'t know ? i've been podcasting for over 8 years
[16:01] <knightwise> www.knightwise.com
[16:02]  * diddledan subscribes
[16:02] <knightwise> you can check out the live recordings over at www.knightwise.com/youtube
[16:04] <Greblus> knightwise is very wise on ubuntu Macbookair's. +1
[16:04] <knightwise> lol :) Thanx Greblus :)
[16:04] <knightwise> i make a sport out of installing ubunt on things that arent supposed to run it in the first place :)
[16:04]  * knightwise is now running 14.04 on his surface pro 1
[16:04] <Greblus> OK, I'm still uploading to imgur  may tae a while.
[16:05] <Greblus> I can go get the powerlead to the chromebook.. while tha's happening.
[16:05] <Greblus> **that's
[16:09] <knightwise> Greblus: should you do the install with crouton , remember to add the -x11 and -audio switches to the installer
[16:27] <Greblus> knightwise, I've uploaded here's my question:
[16:28] <Greblus> OK so I have five lines of messages so please don't put me down by saying I'm flooding: it's complicated at best.
[16:28] <Greblus> Ok .. so here's what I want to do: Vox http://bit.ly/vocaroo_VOX1
[16:28] <Greblus> Here's partly the instructions I used: http://bit.ly/17NeiN0
[16:28] <Greblus> note, PLEASE don't just say install crouton as I bought this laptop to try the hugegreenbugs distro purposely for that reason only.
[16:29] <Greblus> Here's the album of where I am upto:   http://bit.ly/HGBugs_Installation_Album
[16:29] <Greblus> Apologies for the amount of partition on the HDD-itself, I wiped ChromeOS by putting Ubuntu on the HDD instead of the USB last time.
[16:29] <Greblus> Just need to know how to get it onto the USB drive. Which partition should I use according to the photographs in the album ?
[16:30] <Greblus> phew .. now the pain of an answer .. :)
[16:31] <knightwise> holdon , i'm looking through the links
[16:33] <knightwise> ok .. thats not an easy one :)
[16:34] <knightwise> I've done the crouton ones so i'm not sure how to do the repartitioning , but lets see what i can find
[16:34] <Greblus> right as you can tell, I'm a very patient person, these days.
[16:36] <knightwise> here is a post about what the partitioning looks like for a different os : http://chromeos-cr48.blogspot.be/2012/12/so-you-want-chrubuntu-on-external-drive.html
[16:36] <knightwise> so this one will tell you where the different partitions are
[16:37] <knightwise> after installing everything (including grub) to the bootloader , you should press ctrl-U after you power on the machine to choose between the boot devices
[16:38] <Greblus> knightwse, I can pretty much see I have two options..
[16:39] <Greblus> 1, use a separate external memory card, which I can d no problem, I guess (but only 32gb) , or two..
[16:41] <Greblus> 2, secondly, Someone can tell me how to install the OS to the USB that I am installing from on the side of the chromebook,, i.e. which external partition option ?  perhaps I'm missing something as I purposely bought the Kinston 64GB to use as and extrnal USB Ubuntu stick, . Am I wrong in that respect ?
[16:42] <knightwise> There is a third option
[16:42] <Greblus> you see , I dren't muck this up a second time.
[16:42] <Greblus> *daren't
[16:42] <knightwise> install the OS to your USB stick as a live system and make it persistent
[16:43] <Greblus> That's exactly what I'm trying to do.
[16:43] <knightwise> that way you run it off the usb stick ...; and don't have to bother to install it TO the usb stick
[16:43] <Greblus> How do I do that on windows ?
[16:43] <knightwise> you have the iso of the distro right ?
[16:43] <Greblus> (my second machine).
[16:43] <Greblus> yes.
[16:43] <knightwise> unetbootin !
[16:44] <Greblus> that doesn't work .. only Win32 Drisk Imager.
[16:44] <Greblus> *Disk Imager
[16:44] <Greblus> (I've ried twice).
[16:45] <Greblus> *Tried.
[16:45] <knightwise> win32diskimager should be able to do the trick ?
[16:45] <knightwise> what distro do you want to use ?
[16:45] <Greblus> but it just loads to the install option .. not the full installation, I think .. or am I missing something .. perhaps another look at my albumn , no ?
[16:46] <knightwise> what distro are you installing ?
[16:46] <Greblus> https://www.distroshare.com/distros/get/12/
[16:46] <knightwise> Ok,
[16:47] <Greblus> ( that is , it's custom esigned for my machine).
[16:47] <Greblus> *designed ..
[16:47] <knightwise> I think that hugh is the man to turn too for this one. have you asked a question in the comments tab ?
[16:48] <knightwise> Hugh gets back to you pretty quick
[16:48] <knightwise> he"s been on a podnutz show not too long ago so I think that Doortodoorgeek can get you in touch
[16:48] <Greblus> I've tried to contact him on reddit .. no answer .. I guess this is going to take a week or so , then ?
[16:49] <knightwise> the trick is youre doing the install from one external medium to the other
[16:50] <Greblus> .. what's another week after waiting four months to get to this stage? , sigh. Oh wait...
[16:50] <Greblus> "one external medium to another" should I just plug in another USB then ?
[16:51] <knightwise> where are your installer files .. on a usb stick ?
[16:51] <Greblus> yes.. the kignston 64GB .. so I can't install to the actual 'install-device' then ?
[16:51] <knightwise> and you are trying to install them to another usb stick i presume
[16:52] <knightwise> that is making things very complicated
[16:52] <knightwise> install the files on one usb disk and install them to a second usb stick
[16:52] <Greblus> I just used one USB basically,
[16:52] <knightwise> aha
[16:52] <knightwise> and you want to install from and to the same stick ?
[16:52] <Greblus> I need two, right ?
[16:52] <knightwise> thats making it very hard on yourself
[16:52] <knightwise> you need to
[16:52] <knightwise> one souce
[16:52] <knightwise> source
[16:52] <knightwise> one destination
[16:52] <Greblus> got it.
[16:53]  * Greblus opens champagne.
[16:53] <knightwise> and follow the distrowatch tutorial but instead of installing to the chromebooks ssd drive install to the second usb disk
[16:53] <knightwise> you're not there yet but this is going to make it a lot easier on you
[16:54] <Greblus> right, I shall leave it for now , I need a cigarillio (rolled tobac). .. lets give it a rest for 5 minutes, shall we ?
[16:55] <knightwise> ok, give it a try , think it through and if you need me send me a PM
[16:55] <knightwise> if i don't respond i'll be recording this weeks podcast
[17:02] <Greblus> OK, I'll try that cheersknightwise :)
[19:32] <davmor2> popey: 10 pancakes later I think I'm done :)
[19:34] <diddledan> pancakes?!
[19:34] <zmoylan-pi> tis pancake tuesday, did you not see all the lemons and pancake mix everywhere?
[19:34] <diddledan> I ignored them :-p
[20:02] <popey> haha davmor2


[02:46] <bazhang> Is it really made by Africans?
[02:47] <bazhang> I never considered myself african
[02:52] <hggdh> er, what?
[02:52] <bazhang> joeythehakeroo
[02:53] <bazhang> seems to want to drag out his idea of african/indian software collapsing in weeks
[02:54] <hggdh> heh
[02:55] <hggdh> but yes, it is really a word from a language in SA/Africa (zulu? IDK)
[02:55] <bazhang> of the people or something
[02:56] <hggdh> and Canonical started completely international (and the story of its start was actually fun, with "spam email" sent by Mark to the folks he wanted to work for Canonical


[07:14] <Pr0jectRec0n> hello, just installed xubuntu 14.04 - I couldn't find documentation anywhere that xubuntu uses lightdm as the login manager. Why's that? Is there a xubuntu specific lightdm wiki?
[07:15] <Unit193> Xubuntu does use lightdm, and there isn't any specific documentation in terms of LightDM and Xubuntu, it's the same here as elsewhere.
[07:17] <Pr0jectRec0n> Unit193, thanks, but I needed the default lightdm.conf that xubuntu uses if autologin is selected during the install - I found something comparable for 12.04, here : http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1204-precise/, but it's a bit different with 14.04
[07:17] <Pr0jectRec0n> infact, this is what i have one 14.04 with autologin enabled : http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=u6U9QPYt
[07:19] <Pr0jectRec0n> so, it looks like it's using lightdm-gtk-greeter for the greeter session, but how does it get there from lightdm-autologin (as the session)?
[07:21] <Pr0jectRec0n> I'm asking as I downloaded the LXQT DE and it didn't add the lxqt session entry by default (I was surprised!), and I'll need to fiddle with the settings to have both optionson the lightdm login/boot screen
[07:21] <Pr0jectRec0n> I'm asking as I downloaded the LXQT DE and it didn't add the lxqt session entry by default (I was surprised!), and I'll need to fiddle with the settings to have both optionson the lightdm login/boot screen
[07:23] <Unit193> Generally it's the xubuntu session to autologin to Xubuntu.
[07:24] <Pr0jectRec0n> Unit193, can you tell me where it sets the XFCE session  as the default autologin session?
[07:25] <Unit193> It's set in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/10-xubuntu.conf, but user edits generally go in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.  Also may need to remove ~/.dmrc
[07:26] <Pr0jectRec0n> Unit193, hmm - I was looking through the official wiki - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightDM - and under the 'Change the Default Session' : Note: The session switcher will only show up if you have more than one VALID session; a valid session is one that points to a valid executable.
[07:27] <Pr0jectRec0n> ^ this is not the case though :(
[07:27] <Unit193> You have the Xubuntu and Xfce sessions.
[07:27] <Pr0jectRec0n> I ensured the lxqt.desktop stuff under /usr/share/xsessions is present iand valid (along with xubuntu.desktop and xfce.desktop)
[07:28] <HiDeHo-NZ> Hi all just wanting to know if there is a way to safely move /home to another partition. I want to move /home but link so when i go to /home it will point to the new partition.
[07:29] <Pr0jectRec0n> HiDeHo-NZ, I don't think sof-linking /home to another partition would be a problem. if it was / or /boot, you'd have been in for a world of hurt
[07:29] <Pr0jectRec0n> HiDeHo-NZ, since this is not xubuntu specific per se, you could also ask the ppl at #linux
[07:30] <Unit193> !movehome | HiDeHo-NZ
[07:31] <Pr0jectRec0n> what, looks like there's a wiki for every damn thing
[07:31] <guessedit> hello
[07:31] <HiDeHo-NZ> thanks Unit193
[07:32] <Unit193> Sure.
[07:34] <guessedit> is there an easy way to update flash player
[07:35] <Pr0jectRec0n> guessedit, 14.04?
[07:35] <guessedit> yeah
[07:36] <guessedit> not sure but i think it has something to do with why a lot of thumbnails on facebook don't load
[07:36] <Pr0jectRec0n> nah, thats probably not flash
[07:38] <Pr0jectRec0n> if you can go to youtube.com and watch any videos there (assuming you've not 'set' it  to use html5 by default), you already have flash installed and working properly
[07:39] <guessedit> yeah i can watch youtube but some websites say i need flash player
[07:41] <guessedit> in Other Software, does Canonical Partners need to be checked?
[07:42] <Pr0jectRec0n> guessedit, yes
[08:07] <guessedit> created a .gtkrc-2.0 file in the home directory but it disappears and can't find it in search, try to make another empty file with the same name and it says there's already a file with that name
[08:07] <guessedit> i was doing some of the "24 things to do when you install xubuntu 14" on the binarytides website
[08:11] <guessedit> adobe flash player seems to be installed though.. it's in the chrome//plugins
[08:11] <Unit193> Chrome bundles it's own flash, so it'd be installed.
[08:11] <guessedit> the plugin wasn't there before
[08:12] <guessedit> wasn't there 10 mins ago... kinda weird
[10:54] <someone235> hey, my sound manager icon has disappeared, how can I fix this?
[11:33] <xubuntu722> anybody here having issues installing spideroak xubuntu 14.04
[12:13] <skribblezatcha> someone235, go to settings manager, and go to session and startup, then go to application autostart and look for indicator sound and make sure that its ticked off, and then go and restart. you should be good to go.
[12:15] <someone235> skribblezatcha, I don't have "indicator sound"
[12:18] <goneeuro> Hi guys. I am trying to turn my laptop into a wifi hotspot with ap-hotspot. It works until I connect my
[12:18] <goneeuro> to a vpn with the ethernet.
[12:19] <goneeuro> My goal is to be able to connect my apple tv to my laptop so it thinks its in the US.
[12:20] <knome> goneeuro, we do not offer help to take (potentially) illegal actions.
[12:21] <goneeuro> Does that count as illegal?
[12:21] <goneeuro> I pay for cable in the US, I am just currently living in Germany.
[12:21] <Deepfriedice> Maybe.
[12:22] <knome> goneeuro, tbh, i don't know. but since it seems to be blocked by default, maybe.
[12:22] <goneeuro> hmm. OK. I understand.
[12:22] <Stormer97_znc> hey, is there a way to disable the xfce display settings? they keep overriding what i have set in nvidia-xconfig each time I reboot.
[12:24] <knome> goneeuro, however, since part of your problem most probably doesn't affect that, feel free to ask things that are related to that but not the spoofing part.
[12:25] <goneeuro> How about I refrase the question. Ha. How do i turn my laptop into a wifi hotspot while using a vpn. That is not illeagal.
[12:29] <goneeuro> and ad-hoc is not an option.
[12:30] <knome> goneeuro, on another note, you're not too likely to get an answer to a question about those things in this channel... you might want to try #ubuntu or other places, like askubuntu, ubuntu forums etc.
[12:30] <goneeuro> alright Ill give it a shot. Thanks again.
[17:02] <xubuntu431> help please with installation of xubuntu 14.04 lts on a usb drive
[17:07] <xubuntu431> my main question is can it be installed as normal like to a hd or liveusb the only way with persistence set high to keep settings?
[17:08] <Yoplait370> sure you can
[17:08] <Yoplait370> you can use something like multisystem
[17:08] <Yoplait370> a tool to make multiboot usb
[17:09] <xubuntu431> OK multisystem in the sources or is is a special install
[17:09] <Yoplait370> special install
[17:09] <Yoplait370> are you using xubuntu on your hd or on live ?
[17:11] <xubuntu431> I used boot disk creator, and it keeps saying that I dont have enough room on the disk even though its setup exactly as told on a 128 gb usb stick
[17:11] <xubuntu431> i was using live cd at the time, do u have to do it from a installed hd version?
[17:12] <Yoplait370> no
[17:12] <Yoplait370> but it's better to have it installed on your native linux
[17:12] <Yoplait370> what os do you use ?
[17:12] <xubuntu431> I have a live usb version I was booted live usb partitioned the 128gb usb and tryed to install and it would not work
[17:13] <xubuntu431> xubuntu 14.04lts
[17:13] <Yoplait370> erase all your usb and let me give you multisystem
[17:14] <xubuntu431> ok
[17:14] <Yoplait370> 64 bit or 32 bit ?
[17:14] <xubuntu431> 64
[17:14] <Yoplait370> k
[17:14] <Yoplait370> this is the direct download link for multisystem
[17:14] <Yoplait370> http://www.eltima.com/download/usb_network_gate_x64.deb
[17:15] <Yoplait370> deb package
[17:15] <xubuntu431> brb gotta boot to normal to get the file
[17:15] <Yoplait370> sure
[17:15] <Yoplait370> i'll wait
[17:22] <xubuntu980> its me with the need for mulisystem... can you point me to the website its built at
[17:23] <Yoplait370> i'm back
[17:23] <Yoplait370> well
[17:23] <Yoplait370> i got a tutorial to install multisytem
[17:23] <holstein> xubuntu980: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/ is the one i used in the past
[17:23] <Yoplait370> don't know it
[17:23] <holstein> though, i just dont bother these days. i find its much more hassle maintaining the multiboot than just making what i need/want
[17:24] <Yoplait370> xubuntu980: let's speak in private
[17:43] <madlybad> hello to All!
[17:43] <madlybad> can someone help me with an issue?
[17:43] <holstein> !ask
[17:44] <madlybad> ubottu, confirmed :)
[17:44] <holstein> !bot
[17:44] <madlybad> :))
[17:44] <madlybad> ok
[17:47] <madlybad> so, until know i was on Ubuntu 12.04, from today i'm entirely with Xubuntu 14.04. I like very much. Somehow I could made an global menu behavior(this is essential for me- I use netbook) Question= where can I find the screen luminosity setting?
[17:49] <Yoplait370_> i'm back
[17:52] <madlybad> there is a possibility?
[17:53] <Yoplait370_> what are you asking for ?
[17:54] <Yoplait370_> test
[17:56] <holstein> madlybad: i would need more details..
[17:56] <holstein> madlybad: if you are talking about controling screen brightness, that can be function keys on the keyboard.. or a graphics driver can be required to facilitate
[19:19] <Sinbad> I run Xubuntu 14.04 lts on a lenovo Ideapad S-10
[19:19] <Sinbad> I own a tracfone LG flip phone with bluetooth
[19:19] <Sinbad> I want to connect it to my PC and get a file off of it.
[19:19] <Sinbad> can someone help me?
[19:26] <Luyin> Sinbad: depends. where are you stuck?
[19:26] <Sinbad> I loaded the bluetooth under the prefferences
[19:27] <Sinbad> and its all faded
[19:27] <Sinbad> im thinking I need to Check its status under terminal and activate it there
[19:27] <ElderDryas> Sinbad:  I know nothing about bluetooth (don't have it, don't want it :), but seeing as no one else is jumping in here, I'd say start here and come back if that doesn't work  http://askubuntu.com/questions/467830/cant-enable-bluetooth-on-thinkpad-x220-xubuntu-14-04
[19:28] <ElderDryas> Sinbad, I'd say bluetooth is not installed...see the first answer in the link I gave ^^
[19:31] <Sinbad> "Bluez daemon is not running, blueman-manager cannot continue. This probably means that there were no Bluetooth adapters detected or Bluetooth daemon was not started"
[19:31] <Sinbad> Error
[19:32] <ElderDryas> Sinbad: Check to see if it's even installed.
[19:32] <Sinbad> is there a command for that?
[19:32] <ElderDryas> open the USC and search for bluetooth
[19:34] <ElderDryas> There is also this link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bluetooth . Goofle says last date was May 26, so it's probably up to date.
[19:36] <ElderDryas> Other than that, I'm out (lack of knowledge).
[19:53] <Sinbad> how to do I check if bluetooth adapter is installed?
[19:54] <ElderDryas> wait a sec, you don't even know if your laptop <has> bluetooth ?
[19:55] <Sinbad> I got it off my mom second hand.
[19:55] <Sinbad> I asked her and she doesnt know
[20:18] <Kekai> is there a way to check if I have a bluetooth adapter?
[20:18] <holstein> Kekai: its hardware.. do you have the hardware?
[20:19] <Kekai> I hae no Idea
[20:19] <holstein> !bluetooth
[20:19] <Kekai> i was sold this laptop second hand
[20:22] <Kekai> I dont have an adapter
[20:30] <ElderDryas> Kekai: open a terminal, type " lspci -v > bluetooth.txt " and open and search the resultant file.  And welcome back :)


 I have not been able to nail him down last few trips to SF
[00:47] <bkerensa> pleia2: Unfortunately I cannot say I get jet lag in my 1hour 55min flight to SFO
[00:47] <bkerensa> :D
[00:47] <pleia2> bkerensa: haven't seen him in ages, he does use facebook though so might try contacting him there
[00:47] <bkerensa> I did
[00:47] <bkerensa> he never answers
[00:47] <bkerensa> this must be what happens when you get a girlfriend
[00:47] <pleia2> lol
[00:47]  * bkerensa can't recall its been so long
[00:48] <pleia2> speaking of which, set a date yet? ;)
[00:49] <rww> howdy all
[00:49] <pleia2> hey there rww
[00:50] <rww> bkerensa: well, I did disappear off IRC too, maybe there is truth to this...
[00:50] <bkerensa> rww: :D
[00:51] <pleia2> I
[00:52] <pleia2> I just got back from florida, so I'm still on east coast time
[00:52] <pleia2> flying to .au tomorrow, so I'll be on.. oh gosh who knows
[00:52] <pleia2> should be fun!
[00:53] <bkerensa> pleia2: oh dear have fun
[00:53] <bkerensa> pleia2: my paris trip got pushed back to Q3/Q4 which is why I have to fly to SF so suddenly.. They just told me today
[00:54] <bkerensa> pleia2: are you going to try for OS Bridge this year?
[00:55] <pleia2> bkerensa: not planning on it, I have so many on topic (to work) conferences lined up this year
[00:56] <pleia2> debconf is on my schedule though :)
[00:56] <bkerensa> oh nice
[00:56]  * bkerensa is on the Debconf Team
[00:56] <bkerensa> L:D
[00:56] <bkerensa> somewhere in my bag of hats
[00:57] <rww> you have a lot of them, I keep seeing bkerensa@mozilla in the blogosphere
[01:00] <rww> anyways, I finally got out of university and am thus down to 40 hours a week of work, so I am thinking of wandering back into the Linux scene
[01:00] <pleia2> hooray
[01:03] <bkerensa> pleia2: did the Moz guy ever respond to you on Twitter about the Xubuntu Power Testing they were doing?
[01:03] <pleia2> bkerensa: nope :( but it's holiday time
[01:03] <bkerensa> rww: Yeah I like that Mozilla is much more then just a Open Source project or Open Source Community but is also focused on some really important issues like privacy activism, education and other initiatives like promoting open web
[01:04] <bkerensa> pleia2: yeah today is the first day back but I bet most took today off too :)
[01:04]  * pleia2 nods
[01:04] <pleia2> I worked today, but had a fair amount of backlog to get through as I'm sure many others did
[01:04] <rww> bkerensa: yeah. I've been impressed with how well it maintains its values, given the whole Google funding thing. I was kind of concerned for a while, without foundation it seems. Firefox is my day-to-day web browser :)
[01:04] <pleia2> (I tried to keep up somewhat, but it's a lot to keep up with!)
[01:05] <rww> keep meaning to look at the mozilla phone thing, haven't gotten around to it
[01:05] <rww> the cellphone i have is annoyingly non-open
[01:05] <bkerensa> rww: Although I cannot really elaborate too much because I'm under NDA.... Mozilla gets money from a number of sources in addition to Google and in significant amounts
[01:05] <bkerensa> Google is not the cash cow anymore although it is still a big flow of revenue
[01:06] <bkerensa> rww: will you be at SCALE? We will be demo'ing devices there :)
[01:06] <rww> when is SCaLE?
[01:07] <pleia2> feb 21-23
[01:07] <rww> boo, midweek
[01:08] <pleia2> it's fri-sun
[01:08] <rww> oh, I'm looking at january, duh
[01:08]  * pleia2 gets rww a new calendar
[01:08] <pleia2> :)
[01:09] <rww> perhaps I will go then. will ask work for a day or two off
[01:09] <pleia2> \o/
[01:09] <pleia2> we're doing an ubucon on friday
[01:10] <rww> do y'all need volunteers?
[01:10] <rww> in general, not just ubucon
[01:10] <pleia2> we certainly need booth volunteers https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale12x
[01:10] <darthrobot`> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale12x - Ubuntu Wiki]
[01:11] <pleia2> I think philballew is the only one so far ;)
[01:11] <pleia2> not sure about ubucon, I know all the speaker slots are full, not sure if Richard needs help beyond that
[01:36] <philballew> pleia2, I know me, Mikey, and Steve will all be at the booth. Other than that, It's open to more.
[01:37] <pleia2> philballew: can you add their names to the wiki so we can start tracking it?
[01:37] <philballew> pleia2, Sure.
[18:26] <raevol> HAPPY FRIDAY
[18:26] <pleia2> +1
[23:52] <nhaines> Yay, I'm being super productive today.
[23:52] <nhaines> pleia2: thanks for the IRC Council shoutout.  I'm honored and relieved not to have been elected.  :)
[23:53] <blitz> lol
[23:54] <blitz> I don't blame you, it's one of those things you kind of want but are still relieved about?
[23:54] <pleia2> nhaines: it was good to see a healthy election :) so thanks for standing
[23:56] <nhaines> pleia2: I thought it was important to do my part.  :)
[23:56] <nhaines> blitz: yeah, I wanted there to be enough Ubuntu members standing for there to be a real election.


[18:00] <wonko[m]> Is this the right one?  :-D
[23:22] <Eickmeyer> wonko[m]: For devel? Yes.


[05:58] <mborzecki> morning
[05:59] <mvo> good morning mborzecki
[05:59] <mborzecki> mvo: hey
[06:19] <mborzecki> mvo: 2.46 branch needs cherry-picks with fixes for the tests
[06:20] <mvo> mborzecki: I think I will just merge master there
[06:20] <mborzecki> mvo: unless we just merge master
[06:20] <mborzecki> cool
[06:20] <mvo> mborzecki: I had hoped for some fixes from sergio
[06:20] <mup> PR snapd#9191 closed: interfaces/{docker,kubernetes}-support: load overlay and support systemd cgroup driver <Created by jdstrand> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9191>
[06:20] <mvo> mborzecki: before I do that
[06:20] <mvo> mborzecki: thanks for merging this
[06:20] <mvo> mborzecki: also nice to see green PRs again
[06:21] <mborzecki> mvo: yeah, even if it's just temporary ;)
[06:23] <mvo> mborzecki: ha! you are such a pessimist :) it will be perfect from now on!
[06:23] <mborzecki> mvo: weird, this branch https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9196 is in the upstream repo instead of zyga-mbp's fork
[06:23] <mup> PR #9196: osutil: add OpenExistingLockForReading <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9196>
[06:24] <mvo> mborzecki: he probably made this by mistake :/
[06:25] <mborzecki> mvo: wonder if there's some fine grained permission switches to prevent from pushing new branches unless they meet certain pattern (eg. release/..)
[06:25] <mvo> mborzecki: aha, I think so
[06:35] <mup> PR snapd#9186 closed: interfaces: add vcio interface <Created by jdstrand> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9186>
[06:50] <zyga-mbp> good morning
[06:51] <zyga-mbp> wha'ts up?
[06:51] <zyga-mbp> oh did I push to origin?
[06:51]  * zyga-mbp reads backlog while eating breakfast cereals on the side
[06:52] <zyga-mbp> interesting how this failed, wonder why
[06:55] <mup> PR snapd#9196 closed: osutil: add OpenExistingLockForReading <Created by zyga> <Closed by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9196>
[07:00] <zyga-mbp> reopened from my fork
[07:00] <mup> PR snapd#9197 opened: osutil: add OpenExistingLockForReading <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9197>
[07:01] <pstolowski> morning
[07:01] <mvo> good morning pstolowski
[07:03] <zyga-mbp> hey Pawel
[07:05] <mup> PR snapd#9198 opened: features: add HiddenSnapFolder feature flag <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9198>
[07:21] <mborzecki> pstolowski: zyga-mbp: hey
[07:35]  * zyga-mbp reboots for upgrades
[07:42] <mvo> stgraber: hey, do you think you could have a quick look at lp 1892568 ? it's about a nested lxd test we run that is failing on 16.04 and we need advise if it's worth keeping this test. I can trivial reproduce this if you need any debug from me
[07:42] <mvo> zyga: lp 1892568 might also be interessting for you, it has my findings about the nested lxd issue on 16.04
[07:47]  * mvo takes a short break
[07:48] <mborzecki> sourcing nested.sh in the debug shell sets -e, so a first non-successful command ends your shell :/
[07:50] <mup> PR snapd#9161 closed: kernel: add kernel.Validate() <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9161>
[09:11]  * zyga-x240 goes afk for 30 min
[10:04] <mvo> mborzecki: I think/hope that I have kernel-refs in gadget updates working now but writing the spread test for it is such a chore
[10:05] <mborzecki> mvo: hahah, i feel your pain
[10:05] <mborzecki> mvo: have you looked at the gadget update spread tests?
[10:06] <mup> PR snapd#9199 opened: snapstate: installSizeInfo helper that calculates total size of snaps and their prerequisites <Needs Samuele review> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9199>
[10:14] <zyga-mbp> re
[10:14] <zyga-mbp> man, lucy misses mom badly today
[10:15]  * zyga-mbp hugs mvo and mborzecki for writing excellent tests for hard cases
[10:21] <mup> PR snapd#9197 closed: osutil: add OpenExistingLockForReading <Created by zyga> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9197>
[10:23] <zyga-x240> mvo: back?
[10:23] <mvo> meeting
[10:23] <zyga-x240> mvo: so about https://launchpad.net/bugs/1892568 - I get 404
[10:23] <zyga-x240> what am I missing?
[10:24] <zyga-x240> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9200 <- super simple
[10:24] <mup> PR #9200: runinhibit: open the lock file in read-only mode in IsLocked <Simple 😃> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9200>
[10:26] <mup> PR snapd#9200 opened: runinhibit: open the lock file in read-only mode in IsLocked <Simple 😃> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9200>
[11:36]  * zyga-x240 small break
[11:45] <cachio> mvo, hi, the PR 116 on core has been merged today right?
[11:45] <mup> PR #116: Feature/mount snaps <Created by mvo5> <Closed by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/116>
[11:45] <cachio> it is not included in core on edge yet, right?
[11:55] <mvo> cachio: yes, this morning
[11:55] <mvo> cachio: quite possible, I can trigger a rebiuld for core
[11:58] <mvo> zyga-mbp: https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1892468
[11:58] <mup> Bug #1892468: Nested dbus test useful? <snapd:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1892468>
[11:58] <cachio> mvo, yes please
[11:59] <cachio> so I can test the fix for the failover test
[11:59] <zyga-x240> mvo: thanks, weird that the other link did not work
[11:59] <mvo> cachio: I triggered a build now
[11:59] <mvo> zyga-x240: maybe I did a typo?
[11:59] <cachio> mvo, thanks
[12:03] <pstolowski> i see selinux-lxd failures on all selinux systems, not sure if this is related to my PR; has anyone seen it on other branches?
[12:07] <mborzecki> pstolowski: got logs?
[12:09] <pstolowski> mborzecki: https://pipelines.actions.githubusercontent.com/xS8oSnypZkPEQZqiZgDaRp2kdvQJKbOY08TesHp7E8vn7g4hYR/_apis/pipelines/1/runs/11690/signedlogcontent/67?urlExpires=2020-08-21T12%3A10%3A26.5605826Z&urlSigningMethod=HMACV1&urlSignature=vfCuP7XdBACxjXIQPWWvoGYGTxdhjW9ptv9tIA%2BbDPY%3D
[12:09] <pstolowski> (PR #9084)
[12:09] <mup> PR #9084: o/snapstate: check disk space before creating automatic snapshot on remove (3/N) <Disk space awareness> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9084>
[12:23] <zyga-x240> 2020-08-21T11:51:03.3746915Z type=AVC msg=audit(1598010641.669:5223): avc:  denied  { getattr } for  pid=131226 comm="snapd" path="/var/snap/lxd/common/ns/shmounts" dev="nsfs" ino=4026532238 scontext=system_u:system_r:snappy_t:s0 tcontext=system_u:system_r:unconfined_service_t:s0 tclass=file permissive=1 <-
[12:23] <zyga-x240> oh, pawel is gone
[12:41] <mup> PR snapd#9201 opened: [RFC] boot: observe update & rollback of trusted assets <UC20> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9201>
[12:48] <zyga-x240> OMG
[12:48]  * zyga-x240 learned something fantastically terrible
[12:48] <zyga-x240> O M G
[12:48] <mborzecki> zyga-x240: hm?
[12:49] <zyga-x240> you will never believe how insanely surprising shell is
[12:49] <zyga-x240> set -e is ignored in some cases
[12:49] <zyga-x240> and man, there's a super super super silly case
[12:49] <zyga-x240> you can have pages of shell code
[12:49] <zyga-x240> you can set -e
[12:49] <zyga-x240> you can set -e 10 times in a row
[12:49] <zyga-x240> run false
[12:49] <zyga-x240> then true
[12:49] <zyga-x240> and that doesn't stop
[12:49] <zyga-x240> set -e
[12:50] <zyga-x240> echo "LOL shell"
[12:50] <zyga-x240> false
[12:50] <zyga-x240> echo "I'm still here"
[12:50] <zyga-x240> true
[12:50] <zyga-x240> how you ask?
[12:50] <zyga-x240> simple
[12:50] <zyga-x240> just _at any level above_
[12:50] <zyga-x240> put that in a context where set -e is ignored
[12:50] <zyga-x240> such as
[12:50] <zyga-x240> if foo; then ... fi
[12:50] <zyga-x240> if that set -e and echo and false and true was in a "foo" function
[12:50] <zyga-x240> set -e is irrelevant
[12:51] <zyga-x240> I'm still here prints
[12:51] <zyga-x240> and $? is 0
[12:51] <zyga-x240> because that's a shell list
[12:51] <zyga-x240> the return value is the return value of the last element
[12:51] <zyga-x240> and the fact that this is a function which sets -e is irrelevant
[12:51] <mup> PR snapd#9202 opened: tests/nested/core20/tpm: verify trusted boot assets tracking  <Run nested> <UC20> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9202>
[12:52] <zyga-x240> because the context of the function call (at any level above!) is one where set -e is ignored
[12:52] <zyga-x240> like ! foo
[12:52] <zyga-x240> if foo
[12:52] <zyga-x240> foo | bar
[12:52] <zyga-x240> or other similar
[12:52] <stgraber> mvo: 404
[12:52] <zyga-x240> how f**** crazy is that
[12:52] <zyga-x240> stgraber: try https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1892468
[12:52] <mup> Bug #1892468: Nested lxd test useful? <snapd:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1892468>
[12:52] <zyga-x240> mborzecki: surprise
[12:53] <mborzecki> zyga-x240: it's friday and i think i'm a bit slow already, do you have an example?
[12:53] <zyga-x240> mborzecki: yeah, I have a very complex one
[12:53] <zyga-x240> let me try to make a simple script now that I get it
[12:53] <zyga-x240> and the manual documents this
[12:53] <zyga-x240> but doesn't connect the dot
[12:54] <zyga-x240> between set -e ignored
[12:54] <zyga-x240> and _any parent call_ set -e ignored
[12:59] <zyga-x240> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QDh6JwqCW9/
[12:59] <zyga-x240> mvo: ^ tell me how many bugs we have left?
[12:59] <zyga-x240> mvo: in shell
[13:07] <mup> PR snapd#9172 closed: tests: update spread test for unknown plug/slot with snapctl is-connected <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9172>
[13:32] <zyga-x240> mvo: onto that test now
[13:32] <zyga-x240> ogra_: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7njRQNhRZz/
[13:32] <zyga-x240> ogra_: check this out
[13:32] <mvo> zyga-x240: \o/ *thank you*
[13:32] <mvo> zyga-x240: also for sharing that snippet
[13:33] <mvo> zyga-x240: I wonder if shellcheck should warn about "if func()", I would argue it should
[13:33]  * ijohnson afk little bit
[13:34] <zyga-x240> mvo: I don't know, it's such a misfeature
[13:34] <zyga-x240> maybe it should if set -e is in effect
[13:34] <zyga-x240> I feat it may be very noisy
[13:34] <mvo> zyga-x240: I think this is worth a bugreport
[13:34] <mvo> zyga-x240: not sure, do you think if func() is common?
[13:34] <zyga-x240> mvo: yeah, I'll file one over weekend
[13:34] <zyga-x240> I want to write a blog post about this as well
[13:34] <mvo> zyga-x240: amen
[13:34] <zyga-x240> I'll refer to bugs in shellcheck and the example
[13:34] <mvo> zyga-x240: please do!
[13:35] <zyga-x240> after being at canonical for a decade I'll write a mail to tech@ ...
[13:42] <pstolowski> mborzecki: can you re-paste what you found about that selinux denial before i dropped from irc?
[13:42] <zyga-x240> mvo: test written, just waiting to see if it passes
[13:45] <mvo> zyga-x240: thanks so much
[13:46] <mvo> zyga-x240: I'm sure for some people it's not a surprise
[13:46] <zyga-x240> mvo: maybe we should hire them?
[13:47] <mvo> zyga-x240: maybe we should write less shell
[14:07] <mborzecki> pstolowski: zyga-x240 belived that snapd traverses too far and trespassed to locations managed by lxd
[14:07] <zyga-x240> mborzecki: not quite, it's not like it's not our space
[14:07] <zyga-x240> it's just that there are weird and wonderful objects there
[14:07] <zyga-x240> that are not just files
[14:07] <zyga-x240> and selinux doesn't like that
[14:07] <mborzecki> right
[14:08] <mborzecki> pstolowski: but i'd ahve to look at the PR again, maybe there's more to it
[14:08] <cachio> zyga-x240, is this enough for the failover test on a core image https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dTmddSv3Cw/ ?
[14:09] <zyga-x240> cachio: not quite, remember that you cannot restart logind
[14:09] <zyga-x240> you must reboot
[14:09] <cachio> yes
[14:09] <cachio> well I try both things
[14:09] <zyga-x240> well, we tried already
[14:10] <zyga-x240> you cannot restart logind safely until systemd 246
[14:10] <cachio> but still see
[14:10] <cachio> + systemctl --user daemon-reload
[14:10] <cachio> Failed to connect to bus: No such file or directory
[14:10] <zyga-x240> cachio: I'd have to review your changes,
[14:10] <cachio> didnt push it yet
[14:10] <cachio> trying manually first
[14:11] <cachio> but that change that manually did is not enough to make the tests work
[14:12] <zyga-x240> change what manually?
[14:12] <cachio> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dTmddSv3Cw/
[14:12] <cachio> that
[14:12] <zyga-x240> cachio: sorry that's not correct
[14:12] <cachio> but with reboot
[14:12] <zyga-x240> I see
[14:13] <zyga-x240> can you tell me loginctl list-sessions after rebooting?
[14:13] <cachio> ok
[14:14] <zyga-x240> cachio: one thing that may be at play, is that root has no session
[14:14] <zyga-x240> since external target uses external user
[14:14] <zyga-x240> so disable-linger root may still, really, just shut stuff down
[14:14] <zyga-x240> but prepare enables linger
[14:14] <zyga-x240> which should make that irrelevant
[14:15] <mup> PR snapcraft#3256 opened: repo: consolidate BaseRepo and Ubuntu & reorganize package <Created by cjp256> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3256>
[14:15] <cachio> zyga-x240, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yp37m39TsD/
[14:16] <zyga-x240> is the external user logged in?
[14:17] <cachio> no
[14:18] <cachio> zyga-x240, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/d2Wcn7JJdh/
[14:18] <zyga-x240> this is with the external user logged in
[14:18] <cachio> yes
[14:18] <zyga-x240> ok
[14:18] <zyga-x240> well, this much looks sensible
[14:19] <cachio> perhaps the problem is that here we use external instead of root to run the tests
[14:20] <cachio> zyga-x240, could be that affect?
[14:20] <zyga-x240> cachio: well, as I said above
[14:20] <zyga-x240> it should not matter
[14:20] <zyga-x240> so what fails now?
[14:20] <zyga-x240> which of the tests beaks
[14:20] <cachio> fails the same
[14:20] <cachio> spread -debug external:ubuntu-core-16-64:tests/core/core-to-snapd-failover16
[14:20] <cachio> this fails
[14:20] <zyga-x240> mvo: updated https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9200
[14:20] <mup> PR #9200: runinhibit: open the lock file in read-only mode in IsLocked <Simple 😃> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9200>
[14:20] <cachio> during restore
[14:21] <zyga-x240> cachio: how does it fail?
[14:21] <cachio> zyga-x240, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HGjKDsXpKk/
[14:22] <zyga-x240> yeah, I think that test needs tests.session -u root prepare / restore
[14:22] <zyga-x240> try adding that (prepare in 1st line, restore in last line)
[14:22] <zyga-x240> and run that test alone
[14:22] <cachio> sure
[14:23] <zyga-x240> it should pass then, the problem is that systemctl --user really assumes you have root
[14:23] <zyga-x240> that's implicit for our tests
[14:23] <zyga-x240> actually
[14:23] <zyga-x240> cachio: wait
[14:23] <zyga-x240> cachio: so in external mode tests run as non-root entirely?
[14:23] <zyga-x240> or run as root somehow via sudo or something like that?
[14:23] <cachio> they use external user
[14:23] <cachio> they are not root
[14:24] <zyga-x240> mvo: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9200/files
[14:24] <mup> PR #9200: runinhibit: open the lock file in read-only mode in IsLocked <Simple 😃> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9200>
[14:24] <zyga-x240> cachio: hmmm
[14:24] <zyga-x240> cachio: then that will not suffice
[14:24] <zyga-x240> cachio: we need a bigger hammer
[14:24] <zyga-x240> cachio: and in addition
[14:24] <zyga-x240> cachio: that test should *not* fail anymore
[14:24] <zyga-x240> + systemctl --user daemon-reload
[14:24] <zyga-x240> if this runs as external
[14:24] <zyga-x240> then when it fails, please list sessions and do systemctl status
[14:24] <zyga-x240> (just without logging in again)
[14:25] <zyga-x240> let's examine what is going on
[14:25] <cachio> zyga-x240, ok
[14:30] <mup> PR snapcraft#3257 opened: plugins v2: use repo.Repo not repo.Ubuntu in colcon <bug> <Created by cjp256> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3257>
[14:31] <cachio> zyga-x240, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RMb9qPVBFp/
[14:31] <cachio> so it connects using external
[14:31] <cachio> but then uses root
[14:31] <cachio> as for other backends
[14:32] <zyga-x240>              │ │ ├─3480 sudo -i /bin/bash /tmp/tmp.zwRt33mi04
[14:32] <zyga-x240> but it uses sudo
[14:32] <zyga-x240> cachio: I'm about to EOD
[14:32] <zyga-x240> this needs more oomph
[14:32] <zyga-x240> sudo is incorrect
[14:32] <cachio> ok
[14:32] <cachio> lets continue on Mondya
[14:32] <zyga-x240> ok
[14:33] <cachio> enjoy the weekend
[14:33]  * zyga-x240 takes a break and heads for PT
[14:33] <zyga-x240> cachio: thank you, you too
[14:33] <zyga-x240> cachio: we need to either not use sudo
[14:33] <zyga-x240> cachio: or give root a real session
[14:33] <zyga-x240> cachio: not a mismatch of the two
[14:33] <ijohnson> zyga-x240: github meeting? or will you miss that?
[14:34] <zyga-x240> ijohnson: I'll pass
[14:34] <ijohnson> k
[14:34] <zyga-x240> I need to prep for PT
[14:34] <zyga-x240> I marked myself as optional
[14:34] <zyga-x240> and I'm tired
[14:35] <zyga-x240>  cachio is that sudo from spread or from us?
[14:35] <cachio> I think spread does it
[14:35] <zyga-x240> ok
[14:36] <cachio> let me check
[14:36] <cachio> zyga-x240, I see this in spread
[14:36] <cachio> func (c *Client) sudo() string {
[14:36] <cachio> 	if c.config.User == "root" {
[14:36] <cachio> 		return ""
[14:36] <cachio> 	}
[14:36] <cachio> 	return "sudo -i "
[14:36] <cachio> }
[14:36] <cachio> in the client
[14:44] <zyga-x240> we will need some changes then
[14:44] <zyga-x240> it's not broken per se
[14:44] <zyga-x240> but it's not the same as logging in as root
[14:44] <zyga-x240> so bummer
[14:46] <pstolowski> cachio: a few comments to nested PR
[14:47] <cachio> pstolowski, thanks!
[14:47] <cachio> zyga-x240, nice, tanks for the help, so lets continue on Monday
[15:03]  * cachio lunch
[16:09] <ijohnson> jdstrand: hey in #9191 I noticed that you didn't add overlay as a kernel module for the kubernetes-support interface like you did with docker, is there a reason you made it docker-support only?
[16:09] <mup> PR #9191: interfaces/{docker,kubernetes}-support: load overlay and support systemd cgroup driver <Created by jdstrand> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9191>
[16:10] <ijohnson> jdstrand: also not sure if you saw my ping about a possible typo in #9188
[16:10] <mup> PR #9188: interfaces: misc policy updates xlvi <Created by jdstrand> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9188>
[16:55] <mup> PR snapcraft#3257 closed: plugins v2: use repo.Repo not repo.Ubuntu in colcon <bug> <Created by cjp256> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3257>
[17:06] <ijohnson> man it feels good to have green PR's again that we can just merge
[17:07] <mup> PR snapd#9190 closed: cmd/s-b/initramfs-mounts: make recover -> run mode transition automatic <Run nested> <UC20> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9190>
[17:37]  * zyga is back from PT
[17:37] <zyga> ijohnson: it does feel good :)
[17:38] <mup> PR snapd#9200 closed: runinhibit: open the lock file in read-only mode in IsLocked <Simple 😃> <Created by zyga> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9200>
[18:01] <mup> PR snapcraft#3258 opened: schema/snapcraft.json: allow type: os with build-base <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3258>
[18:32] <cachio> ijohnson, hey
[18:32] <cachio> for some raeson nested tests are fialing to boot on uc16 and 18 after merging with master
[18:32]  * ijohnson is meeting, will look in a bit
[18:33] <cachio> ijohnson, sure, thanks
[19:07] <ijohnson> cachio: so what's failing?
[19:07] <ijohnson> cachio: and is it 100% reproducible ?
[19:07] <cachio> I can't login
[19:07] <cachio> it is like hte user is not created
[19:07] <ijohnson> cachio: for all nested spread tests ?
[19:08] <cachio> not sure if all but many
[19:08] <cachio> I ran
[19:08] <cachio> google-nested:ubuntu-16.04-64:tests/nested/core/core-snap-refresh-on-core
[19:08] <cachio> and could reproduce it
[19:08] <cachio> still have a shell
[19:09] <ijohnson> cachio: ok I will take a look
[19:09] <cachio> the cloud init info is copied correctly
[19:09] <ijohnson> cachio: usually what I have taken to doing to reproduce these things is to shut down the nested-vm systemd service, then start the VM manually with qemu, but using -serial mon:stdio then create a user via console-conf to login to the VM and poke around to see what ran/didn't run, etc.
[19:10] <ijohnson> cachio: it's running now
[19:10] <ijohnson> let's see what we get
[19:10] <cachio> yes
[19:10] <cachio> ip <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:28] <jdstrand> ijohnson: I'm not really here but it is because overlay is needed for docker and containerd. k8s can be configured for either and therefore must also plugs docker-support
[19:29] <ijohnson> jdstrand: ack, makes sense
[20:02] <ijohnson> cachio: I opened #9203 to fix that
[20:02] <mup> PR #9203: tests/lib/nested.sh: fix partition typo, unmount the image on uc20 too <Run nested> <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <⚠ Critical> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9203>
[20:03] <mup> PR snapd#9203 opened: tests/lib/nested.sh: fix partition typo, unmount the image on uc20 too <Run nested> <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <⚠ Critical> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9203>
[20:08] <cachio> ijohnson, in configure_cloud_init_nested_core_vm_uc20 is ok to use p2 right?
[20:08] <ijohnson> cachio: yes p2 is ubuntu-seed on uc20
[20:08] <cachio> good
[20:08] <ijohnson> but uc16 / uc18 have p3 as writable
[20:09] <cachio> yes
[20:09] <cachio> I see you added kpartx -d "$IMAGE"
[20:09] <cachio> in configure_cloud_init_nested_core_vm_uc20
[20:09] <cachio> it never was there?
[20:10] <cachio> ijohnson, +1
[20:11] <ijohnson> cachio: yes I accidentally dropped it in my previous PR I think
[20:11] <ijohnson> maybe it wasn't ever there tbh though
[20:12] <cachio> ijohnson, ok, np
[20:15] <ijohnson> cachio: actually to be fair it was never there before my refactor
[20:15] <cachio> ijohnson, ouch
[20:16] <ijohnson> cachio: this might have been why some of the uc20 tests will randomly fail if they get the wrong image that was leftover from before still mounted, we could copy files to the wrong image
[20:18] <cachio> ijohnson, yes
[20:18] <cachio> it could be
[20:18] <cachio> I am taking a look the the history
[20:18] <ijohnson> hopefully this is all green on this PR
[20:21] <cachio> I removed that
[20:21] <cachio> I found when
[20:22] <cachio> could that produce the randome reboots?
[20:22] <ijohnson> cachio: probably not
[20:24] <zyga> cachio: o/
[20:24] <zyga> cachio: have we lost xdelta3?
[20:24] <zyga> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9203/checks?check_run_id=1014017904
[20:24] <mup> PR #9203: tests/lib/nested.sh: fix partition typo, unmount the image on uc20 too <Run nested> <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <⚠ Critical> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9203>
[20:24] <ijohnson> whelp
[20:24] <ijohnson> that seems problematic
[20:24] <zyga> hey ijohnson
[20:25] <ijohnson> hey zyga
[20:25]  * zyga likes cross-timezone work, pop into irc and there are your colleagues, any time of the day
[20:25] <cachio> zyga, didnt update the images since mongay
[20:25] <ijohnson> :-D
[20:25] <cachio> monday
[20:25] <zyga> cachio: hmm, any idea what may be going on then?
[20:25] <zyga> this is nested, maybe it didn't run for a while?
[20:28] <cachio> it is failing in ubuntu and debian
[20:28] <cachio> let me boot an instance
[20:28] <cachio> all the ubuntus
[20:28] <ijohnson> zyga: I've been running nested tests basically all day
[20:28] <ijohnson> let me see if I can reproduce running it again
[20:33] <zyga> hmm
[20:33] <zyga> thnx
[20:34] <cachio> this seems to be happening in the machines which run spread
[20:34] <cachio> not in gce
[20:34] <ijohnson> yeah spread is running fine on my machine
[20:34] <cachio> zyga, are those machines running in your home??
[20:38] <cachio> zyga, I see this Runner name: 'claudio-spread-1'
[20:38] <ijohnson> cmatsuoka: mmmm
[20:38] <cachio> cmatsuoka, are yo uhosting github action clients?
[20:38] <cmatsuoka> yes
[20:38] <cmatsuoka> one runner
[20:39] <cmatsuoka> is it misbehaving?
[20:39] <ijohnson> cmatsuoka: is xdelta3 installed on that machine ?
[20:39] <cachio> yes
[20:39] <cmatsuoka> let me check, I just ran zyga's runner building script
[20:40] <cmatsuoka> ijohnson: no xdelta3
[20:40]  * cmatsuoka installs
[20:40] <ijohnson> cmatsuoka: so yeah we will need to install that
[20:40] <ijohnson> and update zyga's doc
[20:40] <cmatsuoka> done
[20:41] <cachio> nice
[20:41] <cachio> cmatsuoka, thanks
[20:43] <cmatsuoka> zyga sent me instructions by email so I'm replying with a note about the missing package
[20:43] <zyga> cmatsuoka: ohhh
[20:43] <zyga> cmatsuoka: also install python-launchpadlib
[20:43] <cmatsuoka> ah
[20:43] <zyga> cmatsuoka: and we should drop that mail into a gdoc or whatever that we are happy with and can be updated
[20:44] <cmatsuoka> python3-launchpadlib was already installed
[20:44] <zyga> ok
[20:44] <cmatsuoka> python3-launchpadlib is already the newest version (1.10.13-1).
[20:52] <zyga> https://github.com/zyga/bashcov/blob/master/bashunit
[20:53] <zyga> run that
[20:53] <zyga> write stuff like that
[20:53] <zyga> https://github.com/zyga/bashcov/blob/master/bashcov_test.sh
[20:54] <zyga> try breaking the test, the output is interesting as well
[20:55]  * zyga EODs and goes to pay taxes
[20:58] <zyga> taxes paid
[21:07] <ijohnson> have a good weekend zyga!
[21:56] <mup> PR snapcraft#3259 opened: cli: introduce set-default-tracks <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3259>
[22:19] <mup> PR snapd#9203 closed: tests/lib/nested.sh: fix partition typo, unmount the image on uc20 too <Run nested> <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <⚠ Critical> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9203>
[22:19] <ijohnson> cmatsuoka: mmm but the tests weren't done running :-/
[22:19] <cmatsuoka> oh really? the button was green
[22:20] <ijohnson> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9203/checks?check_run_id=1014236898
[22:20] <mup> PR #9203: tests/lib/nested.sh: fix partition typo, unmount the image on uc20 too <Run nested> <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <⚠ Critical> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9203>
[22:20] <ijohnson> shows the nested runs were still running
[22:20] <cmatsuoka> oh noes
[22:20] <ijohnson> perhaps github's ui shows it's green when all the required ones are green?
[22:20] <ijohnson> all the other tests had finished except the spread-nested
[22:20] <ijohnson> labels
[22:21] <cmatsuoka> humm it's possible, I'll pay attention to the run status even when it's green
[22:22] <cmatsuoka> i was quite sure it wouldn't allow you to merge before the tests completed :\
[22:22] <ijohnson> for the required checks yes it won't
[22:22] <ijohnson> but for the non-required ones, I always thought the button would show up as grey
[22:22] <ijohnson> as in you could still click it but it wasn't fully green
[22:23] <cmatsuoka> oh well let's hope it finishes without any issues now
[22:30] <cmatsuoka> well even if it fails the p2 fix was needed anyway
[22:31]  * cmatsuoka EOWs
[22:32] <cmatsuoka> have a nice weekend
[22:33] <ijohnson> thanks cmatsuoka you too!


[12:50] <nixternal> alrighty...time to start planning documentation for the Ubuntu 7.04, The Fantastic Ferret
[01:38] <Plug> nixternal: is that name announced?
[03:13] <nixternal> Plug: sorry for the late answer, no, i just made that up ;)
[04:25] <poningru> anyone know what the debian's working codename for firefox is?
[04:25] <poningru> is it really iceweasel?
[04:25] <Madpilot> "Copyfox" ;)
[04:25] <jjesse> haven't heard
[04:26] <poningru> -s
[04:56] <froud> What's the difference between Ubuntu-installer and Debian-installer? Sometimes I see the installer referenced as debian and othertimes ubuntu.
[04:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> ubuntu uses debian-installer
[04:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> if its referencing debian, i think thats a bug
[05:58] <trappist> mdke: wb :)
[05:59] <mdke> thanks :)
[06:13] <mdke> does anyone know if the pot templates are all up to date?
[06:26] <LaserJock> mdke: I think so
[06:27] <LaserJock> mdke: hello! welcome back!
[06:28] <LaserJock> mdke: Things sure weren't the same without you :-)
[06:28] <LaserJock> mdke: I pushed back the doc string freeze to the 21st as we needed more proofreading time, etc.
[06:29] <LaserJock> mdke: we updated .pots
[06:29] <LaserJock> got new packages uploaded
[06:29] <LaserJock> and I got ahold of carlos and worked out the .pot naming stuff for Rossetta
[09:08] <mdke> LaserJock: the pot naming stuff should already have been working fine as there had been uploads with pot files before I left... but sounds like everything is under control, nice work :)
[09:09] <LaserJock> mdke: well, carlos said the pot naming on Rossetta was from dappers uploads
[09:10] <LaserJock> I don't know
[09:10] <LaserJock> I'm terrible with this stuff
[09:10] <LaserJock> but we sort of managed
[09:10] <LaserJock> we also managed to somewhat diffuse the russian bomb ;-)
[09:11] <mdke> yeah, that's the only thread I've read so far, I'll reply to that
[09:11] <mdke> the ubuntu desktop guide needs a new pot
[09:12] <mdke> nice work for doing it with xml2po -k though
[09:13] <LaserJock> anyway, the universe didn't explode
[09:13] <mdke> :)
[09:14] <mdke> I saw some updates to the dapper branch too
[09:14] <LaserJock> ah, not sure what that was for, Kubuntu stuff?
[09:14] <mdke> packaging guide translations?
[09:14] <mdke> some packaging changes too
[09:15] <mdke> i haven't looked at the commit logs though
[09:21] <LaserJock> I've been pretty swamped with stuff too
[09:27] <mdke> I start a new job on Monday too :/
[09:29] <LaserJock> really?
[09:29] <LaserJock> what kind of job?
[09:29] <mdke> lawyer job
[09:37] <LaserJock> are you excited?
[09:41] <mdke> LaserJock: well... I'm happy to have a job, not exactly excited
[09:42] <mdke> I'll get into it I'm sure
[09:43] <LaserJock> yep
[09:44] <LaserJock> will it mean less Ubuntu time do you think?
[09:44] <mdke> LaserJock: yes, I would think so
[09:45] <mdke> also I'm going to be fairly busy with other stuff, but I'll certainly be around
[09:46] <LaserJock> yes, I think it will be good for you
[09:46] <LaserJock> this Ubuntu stuff is fun, but terribely addictive ;-)
[09:47] <mdke> yes indeed.
[09:47] <mdke> it was a tough wrench to carry on being a lawyer, but the right thing for me, I think
[09:47] <LaserJock> yes, I've had to look at my carrer as a chemist as well
[09:51] <mdke> LaserJock: what was the outcome?
[09:52] <nixternal> wb mdke!
[09:54] <mdke> nixternal: thanks
[10:00] <hairytoes> Evening all.
[10:01] <mdke> hi hairytoes
[10:02] <hairytoes> I wonder if someone can tell me if I've found an error in the documentation or if I'm just dumb...
[10:02] <hairytoes> I was looking at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo and something there doesn't make sense to me.
[10:03] <mdke> go ahead
[10:04] <hairytoes> Here's the section... I'm not clear what it's meant to say. Quote: You should always use gksudo or kdesu to run such programs, otherwise new login attempts may fail. If this happens and at login an error message reports: "Unable to read ICE authority file", log in using the failsafe terminal and execute the command below substituting user for your username.     rm /home/*/.{ICE,X}authority
[10:04] <hairytoes> I don't see 'user' anywhere in there. Am I missing something?
[10:04] <LaserJock> mdke: I'm still wondering ;-)
[10:05] <LaserJock> mdke: I'm going to finish my PhD for sure and I'd like to stay with chemistry, but I've been thinking a bit about scientific software development
[10:05] <mdke> hairytoes: quite right. it should read "rm /home/user/.{ICE,X}authority
[10:05] <mdke> I suppose
[10:05] <nixternal> LaserJock: im going to be taking some scientific software courses here in teh next year...kind of excited truthfully about that
[10:06] <LaserJock> cool
[10:06] <mdke> hairytoes: you can correct it is you like
[10:06] <mdke> is -> if
[10:07] <hairytoes> ok.. will do. You may laugh if I screw it up - I don't do wikis :)
[10:08] <mdke> you do now :)
[10:08] <hairytoes> ok, done.
[10:08] <LaserJock> nixternal: I've often thought about creating an opensource scientific software development community/platform "sciforge"
[10:09] <hairytoes> I've been looking for an excuse to do some work on the docs. Looks like I just found one.
[10:09] <mdke> yay
[10:20] <nixternal> LaserJock: let me get some background first with these c++ scientific courses, and i will be more than happy to help you out ;)
[10:29] <mdke> nixternal: was that you adding packaging guide translations?
[10:29] <nixternal> nope
[10:29] <mdke> (sorry, haven't had time to read commit mails still)
[10:29] <mdke> ok, no worries
[10:29] <nixternal> hehe, no problem
[10:30] <mdke> damn, can't find the commit message anyhow
[10:45] <nixternal> g'nite mdke!


[00:12] <dserban_> hmm on 9.04 mythbuntu consistently freezes...  how can I diagnose what it doesn't like about the box?
[00:13] <dserban_> Only real difference from the default install is that I setup my own partitions
[00:19] <dserban_> secondly, why do my ide(pata) drives get assigned scsi device names?  seems later on hal has issues with it
[00:22] <foxbuntu> dserban_, freezes while doing what?
[00:37] <tgm4883> dserban_, by scsi device names, i'm assuming you mean sdX, and it has been that way for years
[01:19] <dserban_> foxbuntu, well when I install it, it hits a certain percentage on install and the system hard locks...  I can't see dmesg output I can't alt-sysrq etc... how do ubuntu bug reporters figure out wth is going on?
[01:19] <dserban_> tgm4883, yeah I kinda figured.  I've been running debian for years and it hasn't been like that... so I guess noob to ubuntu question
[01:22] <dserban_> wow I was late in responding heh..
[01:22] <dserban_> ran stress.. o ooohh dmesg returned something fun
[01:23] <dserban_> Bad page state in process 'kswapd0'
[01:23] <dserban_> with a backtrace
[01:54] <dserban_> hrrm looks like I may have to play with kernel params...  or try a backported kernel?  problem is... this happens on install ... yech
[03:11] <PMantis> I'm familiar with LTSP already, but are there instructions for setting up a diskless server *without* using the control centre gui? My server has no gui.
[03:17] <superm1> PMantis, i'd X forward MCC then
[03:17] <superm1> there is a command line option to build the diskless stuff, but i dont think it'd nicely documented anywhere
[03:17] <PMantis> I'd like to learn that anyway.
[03:18] <PMantis> ltsp-build-client I'm sure.
[03:18] <superm1> yeah that's the basis for it
[03:21] <PMantis> Personally, I don't like letting some script I didn't write run wild and configure things on a multi-purposed server.
[03:21] <Daviey> PMantis: in which case, it's unwise to use any distribution..
[03:21] <Daviey> you should build your operating system from scratch,
[03:22] <PMantis> If mythbuntu was the only thing that used PXE, and myth was the only thing on the server, then NBD.
[03:23] <PMantis> I also have regular LTSP running, so don't want the scripts to modify that, but build a different chroot instead.
[03:24] <PMantis> Daviey: I think that would be carrying it too far. ;)
[03:24] <PMantis> Although I have used gentoo stage 1 before... that's close! :)
[03:24] <Daviey> PMantis: well the people that created MCC are the same people that maintain the mythtv packages..
[03:25] <Daviey> So if you don't trust us to with the scripts inside MCC, how can you trust us with the myth packages?
[03:27] <PMantis> It doesn't have anything to do with trust. Most GUI's made for lay people assume non-complicated and dedicated setups. As such, its likely it was written assuming no other LTSP chroots will be on the server, and installs the the myth chroot in /opt/ltsp/i386, which is already taken. As such, I'd like to run ltsp-build-client myself to build the frontend environment.
[03:27] <PMantis> That's all...
[03:28] <Daviey> ok
[03:28] <Daviey> on that noted
[03:28] <Daviey> !bed > Daviey
[03:28] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about bed > Daviey
[03:38] <afarris01> Hey everybody... I'm new to Mythtv, and I had some questions...
[03:38] <afarris01>      1. I've got DirectTV Satellite TV... is this going to make it difficult/impossible for me to run MythTV?
[03:38] <afarris01>      2. Are there any recommended tuner cards for using with Satellite TV?
[03:38] <afarris01>      3. Are all tuner cards limited to the number of channels that they can access? is this a hardware limitation?
[03:38] <afarris01> Thanks! :)
[04:35] <dserban_> Well I'm not entirely familiar with direct tv since I'm canuckistanian.  But as long as there's a way to connect the receiver to the myth box, it's usable.  Either direct (firewire/serial/usb) or via an ir transmitter.  Such as commandir.
[04:36] <dserban_> Depends if you want HD content, though again, can't really help you there as I'm resisting HD like the plague.
[04:36] <dserban_> But hauppauge seems to make something useful.
[04:37] <dserban_> 3.  channels aren't really limited as if you're using a receiver (direct tv receiver) then you have no limit on channels at the card.
[04:37] <dserban_> Since the set top box will do the channel changing
[04:38] <afarris01> thanks! from looking at various tuner cards, it kept saying that the card was limited to using 125 channels or some such
[04:40] <afarris01> HD content isnt a concern for me... I dont really care about it that much, so long as the quality is good enough that i can still see it
[04:40] <afarris01> and how do you hook up the reciever to the myth box? I was kind of under the impression that I would remove my set-top box and replace it with the Myth box
[04:41] <afarris01> is it more like I keep the set-top box i was given, and i chain the myth box off of it?
[04:42] <dserban_> yep that's how it works... you connect either through component or err the regular way
[04:43] <dserban_> and you connect to the card
[04:43] <dserban_> which then encodes your video stream for myth to use
[04:43] <dserban_> control wise you'd use firewire, or serial or usb.  depends on your receiver and what's available
[04:44] <dserban_> just google it
[04:44] <dserban_> then... the channel control is based on those connections... if neither work then  you need an ir transmitter
[05:02] <afarris01> awesome. Thanks for the info. I've still got a lot of reading to do before I actually get to set it up, but I'm pretty excited already. MythTV looks awesome and I can't wait to play with it
[12:43] <map7> can anyone help me with modeline configuration under xorg?
[12:43] <map7> I cannot seem to make the resolution narrower or shorter.
[15:26] <scales11> hi all i just had a quick question, how does one running mythtv get program guide info? it used to be free from direct something, but they got bought and now they arent free..
[15:46] <gunni> scales11: Sometimes (like here in germany) EPG data is in the broadcast, or you can use xmltv if available for your country
[15:50] <scales11> i am in usa...i am pretty sure they dont broadcast it
[15:50] <scales11> so i would need to use xml..
[15:54] <plagerism> So anyone running mythbuntu karmic koala?
[16:12] <tgm4883> !schedules% | scales11
[16:12] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about schedules%
[16:13] <tgm4883> !sd | scales11
[16:13] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about sd
[16:13] <tgm4883> hmm
[16:13] <tgm4883> scales11, use schedules direct, it's $20/year
[16:38] <scales11> tgm4883: yeah i know, it just have win7 and its media center is pretty darn good, there are just a few features that mythtv has that are nice.
[16:39] <scales11> tgm4883: and the schedule thing used to be free! i have a problem with companies coming along and making people pay for things that they used to get for free
[16:39] <tgm4883> scales11, IIRC, thats not entirely what happened
[16:40] <scales11> tgm4883: right, they had problems, got bought out?
[16:40] <scales11> something like that?
[16:40] <scales11> i havent used mythtv in years...
[16:40] <scales11> so i am a little out of the loop
[16:41] <tgm4883> no, IIRC, zap2it stopped offering the xml data period. Some mythtv guys scrambled to get something in place and made a deal with TMS to get channel data. The mythtv guys founded SD, and have to pay for the data.
[16:42] <tgm4883> They only wanted to charge what it cost, which goes down per subscriber in economies of scale
[16:42] <tgm4883> so in the begining it was $20/3 months cause they didn't know how much it would cost
[16:43] <tgm4883> they must have got enough subscribers to bring it down to $20/year shortly after that ( 2-3 months)
[16:44] <scales11> ah
[16:44] <scales11> i see
[16:44] <scales11> well i can respect that
[16:44] <scales11> thanks for the info
[16:45] <tgm4883> np
[16:45] <scales11> i will be back with more questions later :P gtg for now
[17:58] <amy_> I just installed mythbuntu via Wubi. When I run it, I get "cannot connect to database" each time. I have tried enabling the mysql server and the primary backend role in the mythbuntu control centre, but I'm still having the same problem. How do i set up MySQL for mythtv?
[18:16] <sigkill_> hey, it seems, annoyingly, that  since i enabled vnc in the control center and rebooted, that vnc hasnt restarted
[18:16] <sigkill_> how does one manually start it from the cli?
[18:16] <sigkill_> there's nothing in /etc/init.d/
[18:16] <sigkill_> and annoyingly the backend is headless
[18:29] <amy_> I think I fixed my own problem...
[19:46] <pigeta> hi all
[19:47] <pigeta> i have a thermaltake mozart media lab
[19:47] <pigeta> and i want to install mythbuntu
[19:48] <pigeta> anyone here has the same case?
[19:56] <amy_> !help
[19:56] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[20:00] <amy_> I did a dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-backend which fixed my other problem. my new problem is that ubuntu doesn't appear to have a driver for my capture card. it's "Multimedia controller: Fujitsu Limited. Device 202a." Does anyone here know how to get this card working? (or know of someplace else besides #ubuntu where I could ask about it?)
[20:22] <amy_> Apparently nobody knows. I've been staring at mythbuntu for hours and it's obviously not going to work on my machine.
[21:02] <PLC> Hi
[21:14] <orificium_> Anyone using JAMU?  According to the wiki, its shipped with Mythtv, but I'm not finding it.
[21:15] <orificium_> Nevermind, found it :)
[21:30] <tgm4883> !hello | PLC
[21:30] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about hello
[21:32] <PLC> I'm french
[21:32] <PLC> I buy a Dvico station .... but it's very bad system
[21:33] <PLC> I think, i'm going to make a HTPC with Mythtv
[21:33] <PLC> but i don't know if we can do all thing with the remote
[21:33] <PLC> a remote *
[21:33] <tgm4883> all things?
[21:34] <PLC> yes
[21:34] <tgm4883> like what?
[21:34] <tgm4883> you can do anything in MythTV with a remote
[21:34] <PLC> navigate in all system without mouse and keyboard
[21:35] <tgm4883> yea, you can do that, some remotes are limited by the amounts of buttons they have though
[21:35] <PLC> ok
[21:35] <PLC> you can have 2 tuner ?
[21:35] <PLC> +s
[21:36] <PLC> record one tv station and see another or watch DivX
[21:36] <PLC> ?
[21:36] <tgm4883> yes, you can have many tuners distributed accross multiple computers
[21:36] <tgm4883> or in the same computer
[21:36] <PLC> ok
[21:36] <tgm4883> and yes, watch one, record another
[21:36] <PLC> the same for me :p
[21:36] <tgm4883> or record 2
[21:36] <tgm4883> also
[21:36] <PLC> héhé
[21:36] <PLC> :)
[21:36] <tgm4883> !multirec
[21:36] <tgm4883> hmm
[21:36] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about multirec
[21:36] <PLC> cool
[21:37] <PLC> you can record 2 channel and watch a media file like MP3 / MP4 ... AVI .... stream .. ??? :D
[21:37] <tgm4883> yes
[21:37] <PLC> GREAT =)
[21:38] <PLC> it's for me ^^
[21:38] <PLC> how many time you must wait before use the system ?
[21:38] <PLC> or swap between applications ?
[21:38] <tgm4883> i'm not sure what you mean
[21:39] <PLC> I want to create a HTPC with this system (ubuntu + MythTV)
[21:40] <PLC> the time of the boot is long ?
[21:40] <PLC> I know the hardware change the value ... but :p
[21:41] <tgm4883> booting depends on the system
[21:41] <tgm4883> but it's usually pretty quick
[21:41] <PLC> less 30Seconds ?
[21:42] <PLC> if I do this box .... I use a good hardware
[21:42] <tgm4883> probably about that, usually you don't turn your computer off so it can record programs that you set schedules for
[21:42] <PLC> oups
[21:42] <PLC> :p
[21:42] <PLC> sorry
[21:43] <tgm4883> dont worry about it, happens all the time
[21:43] <PLC> shortcut fails :p
[21:44] <PLC> another problem come ...
[21:44] <PLC> is the consumption of the system
[21:44] <PLC> in stand by
[21:45] <tgm4883> no idea
[21:45] <PLC> i know ...
[21:45] <PLC> a standard PC is 150-200W
[21:46] <PLC> in stand by .... mini 100W
[21:47] <PLC> I want to install on a Mac Mini
[21:47] <PLC> but some problems appear with the tuner
[21:47] <PLC> consumption is 15W
[21:57] <PLC> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Installing_MythTV_on_an_Intel_Mac_Mini_using_Ubuntu
[21:57] <PLC> :)
[22:01] <PLC> i try to find with tuner DVB :D
[22:05] <PLC> i go to my bed
[22:05] <PLC> bye !
[22:05] <PLC> :)
[23:09] <gizmobay> Okay, this must be an easy question. How do you shutdown the Mythbuntu from the CLI? I use sudo shutdown now but it doesn't shut all the way down.
[23:10] <Daviey> gizmobay: try sudo halt
[23:10] <gizmobay> okay, I'll try that next time
[23:11] <Daviey> gizmobay: shutdown doesn't poweroff without the -h switch.
[23:11] <gizmobay> aww, I see. Thanks
[23:19] <superm1> or sudo poweroff
[23:26] <rhpot1991> @delete - test
[23:26] <Zinn> I just deleted: - test
[23:26] <rhpot1991> @delete test
[23:26] <Zinn> I just deleted: test
[23:27] <rhpot1991> @delete tgm4883
[23:27] <Zinn> I just deleted: tgm4883
[23:27] <rhpot1991> @delete thingy
[23:27] <Zinn> I just deleted: thingy
[23:27] <tgm4883> @delete rhpot1991
[23:27] <Zinn> I just deleted: rhpot1991
[23:27] <rhpot1991> !stab tgm4883
[23:27]  * Zinn stabs tgm4883 with a rusty spork.
[23:28] <tgm4883> :(
[23:28] <Daviey> /sbin/poweroff = /sbin/halt :P
[23:28] <Daviey> == /sbin/reboot
[23:28] <Daviey> but i suspect reboot knows how it was spawned :)


[19:11] <adom> manchicken: ChinnoDog, marcoceppi, and I have met a couple times. Dunno if they have hung out more since then. There's only a few actives in here so meetups are sporadic.
[19:12] <adom> It's a bit harder for me to join meetups since I'm down in Woodbridge and I work in Manassas. I'm up for meetups, I just need a good notice ahead of time to plan it on a free day.
[19:13] <adom> Chino and marco are closer to DC (and kind of close to each other I think?) so they may a bit more active as far as IRL meetups.
[19:14] <adom> I usually check irc once or twice every day or so while at work. If anyone plans anything, I might not reply right away but usually within a day or so if you hilight me. ;)
[19:14] <ChinnoDog> You are not that far away. :-p
[19:15] <adom> after a long grueling day in the data center, 15min drive seems like the Oregon Trail.
[19:15] <adom> and I die of dysentary every time.
[19:16] <adom> Had an idea recently to try to plan a Linux-gaming LAN party sometime. Unsure if it'd be worth the planning. Anyone interested?
[19:16] <marcoceppi> I'm down, but my rig is a computer
[19:18] <ChinnoDog> You have died of dysentary.
[19:18] <ChinnoDog> I can't remember the other diseases.
[19:19] <ChinnoDog> Everyone has cholera.
[19:31] <ChinnoDog> Mary has died of typhoid fever.
[19:49] <ChinnoDog> adom has diphtheria
[20:02] <ChinnoDog> adom: I have a goofy game on my xbox you should play. It is Oregon Trail related.
[20:12] <manchicken> adom: I think it'd be neat to do something. I'm somewhat active on Kubuntu development, I think it'd be neat to get together and talk about stuff.
[20:12] <manchicken> If anybody knew packaging I think it'd be particularly neat to have a packaging workshop.
[21:18] <marcoceppi> I'd be happy to host a packaging workshop


[17:21] <cyberanger> I just realized something that makes more sense on ubuntu's reason for unity
[17:21] <cyberanger> http://ostatic.com/blog/ubuntu-compromises-on-banshee-revenue-recipients
[17:21] <cyberanger> if they're not using GNOME, and add some time for people to forget about the GNOME foundation
[17:22] <cyberanger> perhaps they'll sneak the affilate code back in
[18:00] <Unit193> They could do that... I would think people would catch it though,,,
[18:26] <cyberanger> but would they care at that point
[18:31] <Unit193> They used Gnome by default so the money went to Gnome. Now that they are using Unity by default, shouldn't the money go to the people that make Unity? (I don't remember how this all went down, I could be totally wrong...)
[18:35] <cyberanger> Unit193: maybe not that smoothly, since I think Banshee and Rythmbox are Gnome Projects
[18:37] <cyberanger> but yeah, and Unity is part of the Ayatana project, an ubuntu project
[18:37] <cyberanger> so idk
[18:39] <Unit193> cyberanger: That's the kicker! Banshee is a Gnome project! Hmmmm
[18:39] <cyberanger> well, that isn't as big a kicker as Ubuntu was using much more gnome code too
[18:39] <cyberanger> GNOME itself, Rythmbox before, Banshee now
[18:40] <cyberanger> Ubuntu One wasn't an issue, but the Amazon mp3 plugin wasn't ubuntu's but gnome foundations
[18:40] <cyberanger> editing an affiliate code is all
[18:42] <cyberanger> that's what seemed to be the really big issue
[18:43] <cyberanger> but if they make a media player to go with unity, or build a plugin for vlc (their code, not videolan's) and switch to vlc (as an example)
[18:43] <cyberanger> and give some time for that issue to be forgotten
[18:43] <cyberanger> (some ways it already has)
[19:53] <cyberanger> but just sorta thinking about it, I sorta se why there may have been a rush for unity now
[19:56] <cyberanger> so Canonical Ltd can get closer to a profit point
[19:57] <cyberanger> if they're the developers, the only distro using it, able to get some revenue from mp3 sales and storage
[19:57] <cyberanger> and also it puts them in a position to be the only paid support option for ubuntu, compared to now at least
[19:58] <cyberanger> idk if that's Canonical Ltd's plan or not, but it sounds plausable


[14:20] <brandor5> Hello everyone... I'm looking to test openstack with autopilot and was curious if 16.04 was supported? the autopilot webpage is still instructing to use 14.04