[07:06] <armysgt> macogw: I'm basically looking for a good tutorial for ubuntu so I can read up and save helpful ppl like you the hastle
[07:06] <macogw> armysgt: when you get a tarball, there'll be a readme. i suggest using "sudo checkinstall" (oh yeah install checkinstall) instead of "sudo make install" since then you can uninstall through synaptic
[07:06] <shiester_miester> is there any way to tell compiz to use the metacity decorations
[07:06] <dawn_> yes macd.. the one from eclipse.org
[07:06] <macogw> armysgt: when you get a deb from elsewhere, synaptic will recognize it
[07:07] <macogw> johnficca1: i use wpa
[07:07] <macd> I use it on feisty just fine, dawn_
[07:07] <syahreza> hiya im come back
[07:07] <n2diy> Jordan_U: again?
[07:07] <syahreza> in indonsia
[07:07] <Jordan_U> johnficca1, I am, as well as I am sure hundreds of people in this channel are, just ask your question
[07:07] <Jordan_U> n2diy,
[07:07] <macd> dawn_, and update it via eclipse update
[07:07] <n2diy> Jordan_U: nope, thanks.
[07:07] <dawn_> macd: how did you install it?
[07:07] <johnficca1> I did
[07:07] <ans_> Jordan_U, I forget the original error, but when I try to open the Update Manager it says the Software index is broken. Trying to fix that in the synaptic package manager says libsasl2 is broken, but when I try to fix it I get an error.
[07:07] <macogw> dawn_: if youre trying to get generics, those require java 1.5 and eclipse on ubuntu uses gcj (1.4 compatible) by default, i think
[07:08] <Jordan_U> ans_, Try running: sudo apt-get -f install
[07:08] <macd> dawn_, untar the package, and run the eclipse binary.
[07:08] <ans_> Jordan_U, yeah that gives an error too
[07:08] <n2diy> Jordan_U: again?
[07:08] <macogw> johnficca1: say it all as one question
[07:08] <johnficca1> Hi I have a thinkpad t40 with a cisco 350 aironet card, I am trying with no luck to get it working with wpa... any help wound be great.
[07:08] <Jordan_U> ans_, Can you pastebin the error?
[07:08] <DanaG> Does anybody know why my iAudio6 in MTP mode would still show up as a USB Mass Storage device?
[07:09] <dawn_> macd: it says that it requires the latest version of java.. but i already have java 5 installed in my box.
[07:09] <macd> it needs 6, dawn_
[07:09] <DanaG> Same issue here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=522369
[07:09] <dawn_> oh i see.. thanks macd. :)
[07:09] <armysgt> how do I determine what architecture I am using?
[07:10] <Jordan_U> DanaG, I don't know what MTP mode is but for iPods at least, being "enabled" or "disabled" as a mass storage device is actually a setting in the windows driver, not on the device
[07:10] <macogw> johnficca1: it might work with wicd, but not with nm
[07:10] <macogw> armysgt: what kind of computer is it?
[07:10] <macogw> armysgt: if its an old mac, powerpc/ppc
[07:10] <ans_> Jordan_U, sorry I'm pretty new to this. Pastebin? You mean just paste it here?
[07:10] <n2diy> armysgt: uname -a
[07:10] <armysgt> Dell XPS 410 (w/ Intel Duo Processor)
[07:10] <macogw> armysgt: if its a regular computer or new mac i386
[07:10] <Jordan_U> !pastebin | ans_
[07:10] <ubotu> ans_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:10] <DanaG> On my iAudio6, it's a setting on the device.
[07:10] <macogw> armysgt: i386
[07:10] <johnficca1> macogw: is that something I need to install
[07:10] <DanaG> You can choose which mode it operates in.
[07:10] <armysgt> thanks
[07:10] <macogw> johnficca1: yeah
[07:11] <macogw> johnficca1: i mean, if the card doenst have wpa support -at all- that wont help
[07:11] <n2diy> Jordan_U: again?
[07:11] <johnficca1> and its called wicd?
[07:11] <ans_> Jordan_U, okay, let me give you the error from synaptic package manager first, that one is pretty short.
[07:11] <Jordan_U> n2diy,
[07:11] <armysgt> n2diy: thanks
[07:11] <johnficca1> it works under windows
[07:11] <n2diy> Jordan_U: nope, thanks.
[07:11] <macogw> johnficca1: but theres a lot of things where the card can do it, but the driver is written such that NM cant do wpa and then you need wicd or wifi-radar + wpa_supplicant
[07:11] <khin> hello, i have an mplayer plugin for firefox, but when i try to play the trailer at http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0480249/trailers-screenplay-E33164-6-3 i do not get a picture (though i do get sound)
[07:12] <johnficca1> macogw: ok
[07:12] <khin> i dont know what i need to install
[07:12] <con-man> !botabuse | ubotu
[07:12] <ubotu> ubotu: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[07:12] <con-man> lololol
[07:12] <n2diy> Why isn't my sound notification sticking when I select it from Edit > Prefs in xchat-gnome?
[07:12] <ans_> Jordan_U, E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libldap2_2.1.30-13.3_i386.deb: short read in buffer_copy (backend dpkg-deb during `./usr/lib/libldap_r.so.2.0.130')
[07:13] <macogw> khin: try the windows media player version option?
[07:13] <Jordan_U> khin, That trailer plays for me with the totem firefox plugin
[07:13] <Jordan_U> khin, Sound and all
[07:13] <shiester_miester> can anybody here help me with compiz-fusion, or is there another channel for it?
[07:14] <macogw> shiester_miester: put a # in front and youre good
[07:14] <james> how do i save a kde session
[07:14] <shiester_miester> ah, ty
[07:14] <khin> yeah i tried windows media player. nothing works.
[07:14] <Jordan_U> james, Try #kubuntu for KDE
[07:14] <shiester_miester> macogw, there is no #compiz-fusion channel
[07:15] <Jordan_U> shiester_miester, #compcomm
[07:15] <DanaG> #opencompositing will redirect you.
[07:15] <macogw> shiester_miester: there's 52 people in it
[07:15] <shiester_miester> ah ok
[07:15] <tic> Anyone using X.org-7.3? Can I have a xinerama-style desktop spanning two monitors, and have just /one/ of the monitors rotated?
[07:15] <khin> i thought mplayer was supposed to be able to handle just about anything
[07:16] <macogw> khin: i use vlc plugins i think
[07:16] <johnficca1> macogw: it says it can't find wicd
[07:16] <DanaG> mtp works in mysterious ways.
[07:16] <armysgt> macogw: that link you gave me installed samdump2 like a charm using the amd64 architecture... thanks
[07:16] <macogw> johnficca1: idk if thats in the repos or not...umm
[07:16] <arbeck> can someone help me with a fstab problem?
[07:16] <Jordan_U> khin, Usually everything but real media
[07:17] <johnficca1> no idk
[07:17] <khin> stupid mplayer. ill try downloading something else
[07:17] <ans_> Jordan_U, okay pastebin url: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28188/
[07:17] <james> jordan how do i put the #kubuntu
[07:17] <DanaG> I usually use kaffeine with xine.
[07:17] <arooni> folks i have twinview and geforce 5200 and ubuntu 7.04.... i can get dual monitor working but i only get 800x600 on my second monitor (and i want 1280x1024).... but when i use twinview-settings i can't change the monitor resolution on the second monitor.... its stuck in 'auto'.... any ideas on how to fix?
[07:17] <Jordan_U> james, type "/join #kubuntu"
[07:18] <arooni> i mean nvidia-settings
[07:18] <n2diy> n2diy test
[07:18] <macogw> johnficca1: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=194573
[07:18] <n2diy> n2diy: test
[07:19] <Zoom`> hi guys.. just wanna ask how can my ubuntu box share internet connection to other windows pc on a local network..
[07:19] <arbeck> i have this line in my fstab: //Debian/web    /mnt/webdir     smbfs   credentials=/home/arbeck/.cred-file,fmask=666,dmask=777 0       0
[07:19] <arbeck> it doesn't work on boot
[07:19] <Jordan_U> Zoom`, Use Firestarter, it is very easy to set up with it
[07:20] <arbeck> but if i umount  /mnt/webdir and do a mount -a it does
[07:21] <ans_> Jordan_U, did that url come through okay?
[07:21] <Jordan_U> ans_, Yes
[07:21] <n2diy> Hello, is my sound notification working? Someone please reply to this, to test it?
[07:21] <Jordan_U> ans_, What happens when you run: sudo apt-get remove --reinstall libldap2
[07:22] <Jordan_U> n2diy,
[07:22] <armysgt> I was about to give up on Ubuntu and Linux but I see that there are lots of support from the community. Thanks for the help all. I'm out for the night.
[07:22] <n2diy> Jordan_U: Yea, it is!!! I had to run xchat-gnome from gksudo to reset it! :)
[07:23] <arbeck23> i have this line in my fstab: //Debian/web    /mnt/webdir     smbfs   credentials=/home/arbeck/.cred-file,fmask=666,dmask=777 0       0
[07:23] <dabito> #list
[07:23] <arbeck23> it doesn't work on boot
[07:23] <arbeck23> but if i umount  /mnt/webdir and do a mount -a it does
[07:23] <edsonma> nice
[07:23] <Nutubuntu> n2diy
[07:24] <edsonma> people still using irc...
[07:24] <edsonma> =O
[07:24] <khin> if i have both the mplayer and totem firefox plugins installed, can i switch between them or do i have to just install one to use the other
[07:24] <kab00m> why can i not successfully  select the Debian menu under the Main Menu settings?
[07:24] <ans_> Jordan_U, see line 30 http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28189/
[07:24] <khin> i mean, uninstall one
[07:24] <dabito> wow..
[07:24] <dabito> surprising ppl come here =)
[07:24] <Nutubuntu> I remember there being an editor for the menus in Dapper ... can't find it in aptitude for some reason - anyone remember what it is?
[07:24] <dabito> dont even remember the irc commands
[07:24] <n2diy> Nutubuntu:  Yea, it is!!! I had to run xchat-gnome from gksudo to reset it! :)
[07:25] <edsonma> I also dabito
[07:25] <Nutubuntu> n2diy great :)
[07:25] <kab00m> it will not stay selected and I've "sudo apt-get nstal menu-xdf"
[07:25] <Adross> has anyone here used openarena?
[07:25] <dabito> so, is this like a support channel?
[07:25] <Adross> dabito: yes
[07:26] <n2diy> Nutubuntu:  Yes, now I wonder what other gremlins are waiting for me, after the hard shutdown?
[07:27] <dabito> i think ill come back some other time with a little thing thats buggin me
[07:27] <dabito> i dont know how hard to fix it can be
[07:27] <n2diy> Now I'm off to experiment with gaim, again.
[07:27] <khin> wow not only did this totem plugin not play the trailer, it crashed firefox
[07:27] <dabito> silly gnome crashes after splash screen, is there a way to track progress verbose so i could see what's wrong?
[07:27] <james> #kubuntu
[07:28] <rockets> khin:  use totem-xine instead of totem-gstreamer
[07:28] <james> # kubuntu
[07:29] <arooni> anyon eknow how to get nvidia-settings to let me change resolution on my second monitor (its stuck at 800x600)
[07:29] <awangga> oi
[07:29] <awangga> aloha
[07:29] <dabito> ullo
[07:29] <awangga> anybody here?
[07:30] <n2diy> Any idea why gaim is so slow to start up, compared to Xchat-gnome?
[07:30] <awangga> dont know
[07:30] <dabito> any idea on how to have a verbose splash?
[07:30] <Adross> awangga: what's the problem?
[07:31] <awangga> how to make vpn connection
[07:31] <awangga> ?
[07:31] <Adross> hamachi
[07:31] <Sonicadvance1> Found out that Ubuntu doesn't like playing with an IDE HDD that is set to slave and has no Master IDE HDD in front of it
[07:31] <Adross> or tinc
[07:31] <Sonicadvance1> :P
[07:31] <khin> Video codec 'MS WMV 9 (win32)' is not handled. You might need to install additional plugins to be able to play some types of movies
[07:31] <khin> this is what i get with totem xine
[07:31] <awangga> with user interface?
[07:31] <n2diy> Any idea why gaim is so slow to start up, compared to Xchat-gnome? Please use my nick in the reply, as I'm testing audio notification also.
[07:31] <khin> with the windows media option
[07:32] <khin> for that trailer
[07:32] <awangga> hamachii
[07:32] <awangga> how about dial up connection
[07:32] <chicheng> no se loco
[07:32] <andrewww> Hey, i've got a problem on my hands.  Whenever i try to open a file which i made using recordmydesktop, it doesnt open in VLC player.  Other videos load and i thought it was an .ogg problem, but its not.  I converted them to AVI and i still get the same problem
[07:33] <n2diy> ! es | chicheng:
[07:33] <ubotu> chicheng:: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[07:34] <Erdaron> hello
[07:34] <Erdaron> how can I check the version of Qt that I have installed?
[07:34] <n2diy> Any idea why gaim is so slow to start up, compared to Xchat-gnome? Please use my nick in the reply, as I'm testing audio notification also.
[07:34] <trenchant> are there any apps that can manage iphone?
[07:34] <fotoflo__> hey how can i get xmms to play m4a files?
[07:35] <Sonicadvance1> You got your hands on one trenchant ?
[07:35] <trenchant> yup waited on line at the NYC store
[07:35] <awangga> ok
[07:35] <n2diy> Could someone reply to me, with my nick, to see if I have audio notification working on gaim?
[07:36] <Erdaron> n2diy: is it working?
[07:36] <fotoflo__> n2diy, im gonna KILL you!
[07:36] <dawn_> macd: i already installed java 6.. where do i set the JAVA_HOME?
[07:36] <n2diy> Erdaron: nope
[07:36] <Sonicadvance1> Nice, so, in your personal experience of the 3 days you've had it, how is it trenchant ?
[07:36] <n2diy> fotoflo__: why?
[07:36] <fotoflo__> n2diy, nothin, just writing your name
[07:36] <trenchant> its really cool. but limited in some ways
[07:36] <trenchant> im used to the blackberry
[07:37] <Erdaron> trenchant: is the web speed really that awful on the iPhone?
[07:37] <n2diy> fotoflo__: ok
[07:37] <trenchant> web speed is great. i had edge on my blackberry.
[07:37] <trenchant> i use wifi more than anything though
[07:37] <trenchant> it will auto-connect to open networks
[07:37] <Sonicadvance1> Too bad I don't have GSM networks around here
[07:38] <n2diy> Good bye gaim, back to xchat
[07:38] <Erdaron> could someone tell me how to check the version of Qt installed on my machine?
[07:38] <trenchant> i thought GSM was worldwide?
[07:38] <dawn_> i need to set the JAVA_HOME for ubuntu 7.04.. where do i set this?
[07:38] <Erdaron> I can't figure out the package name
[07:38] <Sonicadvance1> There is only CDMA networks around here
[07:38] <khin> damn. its the same stuff with vlc player. sound but no video
[07:38] <kivio> hi
[07:39] <macogw> i just had a bug in my old computer
[07:39] <Sonicadvance1> also, have you tried Rhythmbox trenchant?
[07:39] <macogw> and that thing doesnt even have an OS!
[07:39] <kivio> since a few days every day at this time a cronjobs starts on my system. /usr/bin/find ran by nobody
[07:39] <macogw> or a hard drive for that matter
[07:39] <kivio> can someone plz tell me whats going on?
[07:39] <arooni> how can i get my monitors vertical and horizontal sync refreshes?
[07:39] <macogw> it had a REAL BUG
[07:39] <trenchant> i will right now
[07:39] <kivio> the thing starts every day at 7:30
[07:39] <Erdaron> arooni: try manufacturer's website, they usually have specs buried in there somewhere
[07:40] <khin> can anybody play the trailer at http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0440963/trailers-screenplay-E32394-10-2 . if so what are you using, exactly.
[07:40] <n2diy_> macogw: the first bug was a real bug, a moth in a relay!
[07:40] <ans_> Jordan_U, any further ideas?
[07:40] <arooni> Erdaron: well this is a no name cld
[07:40] <arooni> lcd .... :(
[07:40] <macogw> n2diy_: hopper, right?
[07:41] <kivio> khin, it's loading, dunno if it will play
[07:41] <kivio> seems to be pretty slow
[07:41] <khin> it will play the ad but not the actual trailer
[07:41] <Erdaron> arooni: it's a mystery monitor?
[07:41] <n2diy_> macogw: what's a hopper? (I'm so happy having audio notification working again, I'm not thinking straight.?
[07:41] <Erdaron> arooni: what happened to the tags on the back?
[07:42] <macogw> n2diy_: grace hopper, i mean
[07:42] <macogw> im gong to bed
[07:42] <arooni> Erdaron: its a vison monitor
[07:42] <macogw> i want out of the room with teh giant centipede
[07:42] <ans_> can anyone help, a package is broken on my system and I can upgrade to feisty because of it: see http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28189/ for errors
[07:42] <kivio> khin, it's playing
[07:42] <n2diy_> macogw: grass hopper? No, a moth, I believe.
[07:42] <khin> what are you using
[07:42] <macogw> n2diy_: GRACE HOPPER
[07:42] <Beriant> hey guys whats up im back,i need a litte help,anyone?
[07:42] <Erdaron> arooni: is it a laptop?
[07:42] <macogw> n2diy_: the name of the lady that found the moth and coined the term "debug"
[07:43] <khin> what plugin
[07:43] <macogw> n2diy_: at least i think tht was her
[07:43] <kivio> khin, mozilla-mplayer
[07:43] <arooni> Erdaron: no its a vison lcd.... its a cheap thing i bought at frys for $129
[07:43] <[z] en> hi
[07:43] <Nutubuntu> macogw,  yes, Grace Hopper and the story of the first bug - that was her.
[07:43] <khin> hmmm. i was too. but for me it fails.
[07:43] <Erdaron> arooni: do you have a model number?
[07:43] <n2diy_> macogw: Ummm, I think that was the lady that found the bug on the front of the locamotive?
[07:43] <arooni> Erdaron: V1923DB
[07:44] <kivio> khin, you probably have to use a more recent version
[07:44] <Beriant> can anyone help me,ive got a little problem with setting up ubuntu
[07:44] <floppyears> hi
[07:44] <floppyears> I'm wondering what to use: apt-get or aptitude
[07:44] <kivio> the latest stable of mplayer failed for me as well
[07:44] <macogw> While she was working on a Mark II Computer at Harvard University, her associates discovered a moth stuck in a relay and thereby impeding operation, whereupon she remarked that they were "debugging" the system. <-- from grace hopper wikipedia
[07:44] <kivio> i'm using mplayer from subversion and the latest stable plugin from the website
[07:44] <khin> hmmm. ok.
[07:44] <Erdaron> arooni: http://www.firingsquad.com/hw/5016/Vison_FV19/
[07:45] <Erdaron> arooni: all hail the all-knowing Google!
[07:45] <[z] en> hi erm i just installed ubuntu 7 server
[07:45] <arooni> Erdaron: you are a google master
[07:45] <[z] en> anyway to get the gui up and running?
[07:45] <arooni> i couldnt find it after googlin for 10 min
[07:45] <Erdaron> arooni: sometimes searching by just the company name helps, or a serial partial
[07:45] <Beriant> when you set up ubuntu for the first time and reboot,it does a series of checks then ask me to log in,ive got the username but i never assigned it a password..what do i do?
[07:46] <trenchant> rythmbox wont see the iphone.
[07:46] <Nutubuntu> floppyears,  there's a third alternative (and more) you should consider: aptitude. (Although I haven't tested this feature myself), if you've installed a pkg in aptitude and it in turn required other stuff to be installed - and later you want to remove the pkg - aptitude will also remove the other dependent stuff if nothing else is using it
[07:46] <trenchant> oh well
[07:46] <arooni> Erdaron: now if only you could help me get twinview working so that i got more than 800x600 on that vison lcd... (i can't adjust via nvidia-settings... resolution is just set to 'auto')
[07:46] <gerro> beriant: press enter
[07:46] <Erdaron> nobody knows how to check version of Qt that I got?
[07:46] <Sonicadvance1> Have your tried looking on google trenchant?
[07:46] <huz> how can i install an commodore c64 emulator ?
[07:46] <Beriant> i did,but it just says like invalid w/e or wrong login
[07:46] <Erdaron> arooni: I'm afraid I can't help you there... I'm very new to Linux
[07:46] <[z] en> anyone know how to login as root?
[07:46] <trenchant> yeah, i cant find anything
[07:46] <arooni> ah ok
[07:47] <gerro> huz: what the heck is a commodore c64 emulator!?
[07:47] <Nutubuntu> !root
[07:47] <ubotu> do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[07:47] <Erdaron> ubotu: :)
[07:47] <huz> gerro: something for playing boulder-dash ...
[07:47] <gerro> arooni: what was your problem again?
[07:47] <Cuog> if I am connected to a computer via ssh and I'm running a program, how can I make it so that after I disconnect the ssh connection that program continues running on the server?
[07:48] <Flannel> Cuog: check out GNU screen
[07:48] <Pensacola> Cuog: add & at the end of the command
[07:48] <Beriant> it also wont let me type anything in the password blank
[07:48] <Cuog> cool thanks
[07:48] <arooni> gerro:  i have a geforce fx 5200 card... and twinview working.  but i only have 800x600 on the secondary screen (i can't adjust via nvidia-settings... resolution is just set to 'auto')
[07:48] <Beriant> all i can hit is enter,and if i hit says wrong login
[07:48] <Sonicadvance1> You may have to wait a while then(obviously(
[07:48] <khin> if i install mplayer from subversion in some directory will it screw up my existing mplayer installation
[07:48] <Sonicadvance1> A few applications will prolly come out in a few days
[07:49] <[z] en> so anyway to install gui
[07:49] <trenchant> i hope so. i'd love to get it working with ubuntu!
[07:49] <Sonicadvance1> Heck, I bet some developer already has it working and is just perfecting it :P
[07:49] <Beriant> gerro: still there?
[07:50] <n2diy_> macogw: Never heard of Grace before, but she is mentioned here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_bug
[07:50] <Sonicadvance1> Just got Ubuntu Reinstalled
[07:51] <Sonicadvance1> brb
[07:51] <khin> can anybody NOT play the trailer at http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0440963/trailers-screenplay-E32394-10-2 ?
[07:52] <n2diy_> khin: why would i not want to play it?
[07:52] <Tomcat_> khin: Seems not to work with mplayer.
[07:53] <khin> well, i cant play it. someone told me to install the latest version of mplayer but im just wondering if its something else, since im rather too lazy to do that easily
[07:53] <awangga> l
[07:54] <arooni> HWO CAN i find out which version of the nvidia drivers i'm runing?
[07:54] <bfdhud> Anyone have a link to a HowTo for installing the nvidia 100 series driver for Ubuntu?
[07:54] <RustySford> hello I need the command to tell ubuntu to use JRE 1.6 instead of the grc
[07:55] <klobster> what files should I be backing up?  any suggestions or weblinks appreciated
[07:55] <xenex> arooni, glxinfo | grep OpenGL version
[07:55] <RustySford> er the freeone anyhow
[07:55] <awangga> oi
[07:55] <RustySford> Need it for azureus
[07:55] <xenex> arooni, glxinfo | grep version
[07:55] <awangga> ada orang indonesia ga sih?
[07:55] <floppyears> thanks Nutubuntu
[07:55] <ans_> anyone know how I can fix libldap2? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28189/
[07:55] <ans_> tidak
[07:56] <arooni> i hey folks i've heard http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2914739#post2914739 here ... that i should get rid of the synpatic nvidia drivers and download direct from nvidia... is this stupid?  (i'm having trouble getting twinview to work properly)
[07:57] <[z] en> anyone noe how to install the gui for ubuntu server
[07:57] <defrysk> arooni, stupid
[07:58] <supirole> hi!
[07:58] <awangga> oi
[07:58] <awangga> hi too
[07:58] <Np> hi all !
[07:58] <awangga> iya
[07:59] <supirole> it's the first time that i get in the channel...
[07:59] <awangga> ok
[07:59] <awangga> whats up suprole
[07:59] <supirole> and, i would like to some body help me...
[07:59] <Np>
[07:59] <Nutubuntu> !ask | supirole
[07:59] <arooni> anyone know how to let twinview let me change my monitor resolution
[07:59] <arooni> for my second monitor?
[07:59] <ubotu> supirole: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:00] <defrysk> arooni, run nvidia-settings
[08:00] <supirole> well, after many times to try install Feisty... and almost 1 month searching for suppor.. i renounce... :S
[08:00] <arooni> defrysk: my second monitor resolution is set to 'auto'  ... and i cant change it
[08:00] <arooni> it defaults to 800x600
[08:01] <supirole> 'coz i never knew how to configure my sound card and my USB drivers.
[08:01] <chump> hey whats the best program for adding a partion to the drive ubuntu is already on?
[08:02] <defrysk> arooni, click detect displays
[08:02] <defrysk> arooni, and see if that helps
[08:02] <ans_> how would I install feisty from within 6.10 without using the Update Manager?
[08:02] <supirole> so, i decided to install Dapper, and everything was allrigh, 'till i upgrade to Edgy... :S
[08:02] <supirole> now i'm on troubles.. :S
[08:02] <khin> if use --prefix=/somedir on a ./configure does that mean nothing will be installed on my system beyond somedir on my system
[08:03] <ans_> anything to completely remove edgy and replace it with a clean copy of feisty?
[08:03] <khin> er... some too many 'on my system'
[08:03] <ans_> ( I can't use a CD btw)
[08:03] <khin> damn. i cannot use english.
[08:04] <supirole> when i try to boot from the kernel of Edgy,... wont work. so i chose the past kernel.. and runs.. but i cant install the NVIDIA Drivers, 'coz i haven't the right linux-headers
[08:04] <ans_> like wubi-installer or instlux, but for running from Edgy, not Windows?
[08:05] <[z] en> so can like anyone show me the way to install gui on ubuntu server????
[08:05] <wizo> [z] en, install whatever you want on it i suppose
[08:05] <supirole> may anyone help me please?
[08:06] <takerofforsakens> hello everyone
[08:06] <bluebanana> My Rhythmbox is version 0.10.0. But: 1) copyright is 2005 and 2) http://www.gnome.org/projects/rhythmbox/news.html has .0.9.8 as latest version. please advise, folks. thanks.
[08:06] <Cuog> [z] en: 'sudo apt-get install *your GUI here*'
[08:06] <takerofforsakens> anyone any good ndiswrapper
[08:06] <eboyjr> Why can't I delete this folder here: "/home/username" when I am on user "somethingelse"? What can I do to fix it?
[08:06] <defrysk> bluebanana, does your rhythmbox run fine ?
[08:06] <bluebanana> eyes
[08:07] <bluebanana> yes, defrysk
[08:07] <[z] en> wizo:i want to install the gui
[08:07] <bluebanana> what version of rythymbox do you people have?
[08:07] <arooni> defrysk: detect displays doesnt owrk.... resolution is still set to autgo
[08:07] <oh-charlie> anyone get their laptop's wireless card werking in ubuntu yet?
[08:07] <defrysk> bluebanana, then there is no prob , simply wait for the next version of ubuntu to get a later version of rhythmbox
[08:07] <inflex> hi, I'm using f-spot atm for getting images off my camera (PTF device or what ever over USB), is there a way I can just copy the files from the command line rather than having to go via f-stop ?
[08:07] <ans_> I have
[08:07] <wizo> [z] en, as Cuog said, sudo apt-get install "your gui of choice here"
[08:07] <ans_> oh-charlie: I have
[08:08] <Erdaron> how can i see a list of all the modules loaded into memory?
[08:08] <ans_> oh-charlie: but not when there was authentication
[08:08] <[z] en> oh
[08:08] <[z] en>  miss that
[08:08] <bluebanana> what version do you, defrysk, and everybody else have for Rythymbox?
[08:08] <takerofforsakens> is anyone any good with ndiswrapper issues?
[08:08] <defrysk> arooni, too bad, it looks like nvidia cannot detect your sec monitor properly :(
[08:08] <[z] en> anyway i tried that its says cannot find package
[08:08] <ans_> oh-charlie: err wpa athentication
[08:08] <wizo> [z] en, what are you trying to install
[08:08] <arooni> defrysk: so what should i do to tell it what it needs to know
[08:08] <[z] en> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[08:09] <defrysk> bluebanana, I run the latest version, but I am on gutsy gibbon which i cannot reccomend to you for its unstable
[08:09] <defrysk> arooni, unfortunately I do not know
[08:09] <defrysk> arooni, maybe someone else does
[08:10] <takerofforsakens> can you run a 32-bit linux distro and a 64-bit on the same harddrive without any major issue
[08:10] <jpw87> how do i resize my disk to fit another distro on it
[08:10] <jpw87> i have gparted but its locked
[08:11] <mo0osah> do sudo gparted
[08:11] <jpw87> i did
[08:11] <mo0osah> what do you mean by locked?
[08:11] <jpw87> well i can't choose anything
[08:11] <mo0osah> ohh, are you using live cd?
[08:12] <jpw87> i can't right click the choice and resize
[08:12] <jpw87> no
[08:12] <mo0osah> if the partition you are trying to edit is mounted, it will not work.
[08:12] <jpw87> i c
[08:12] <jpw87> well wow
[08:12] <jpw87> how can i go about unmounting it cause i tried and it says it can't unmount it
[08:13] <mo0osah> well that's because you're using it :)
[08:13] <mo0osah> you have to use a live cd and edit the partition....
[08:13] <jpw87> i know
[08:13] <jpw87> lol
[08:13] <jpw87> o ok
[08:13] <jpw87> so use the live cd and do it :)
[08:13] <mo0osah> yep
[08:13] <DanaG>  aRGH, now I'm working with two laptops: One with fn-ctrl-super-alt, the other with ctrl-fn-super-alt.
[08:13] <DanaG> Moving back and forth between the two... painful.
[08:14] <DanaG> I don't have any specific preference -- but both side by side is just torture.
[08:14] <mo0osah> DanaG: beryl?
[08:14] <DanaG> Huh?  I'm just talking about the keyboards.
[08:15] <DanaG> Or did you tab-complete the wrong name?
[08:16] <gerro> How can I use iptables forwarding for eth1 and wlan0, trying to use wireless laptop as bridge for another computer until I can get ndiswrapper going on that one :)
[08:17] <mo0osah> DanaG: Wrong channel :)
[08:18] <DanaG> aah.
[08:18] <DanaG> It's easy to do when using Pidgin and tabs.
[08:18] <DanaG> Scroll wheel on tab bar changes tabs.
[08:19] <ziroday> DanaG: same with Gaim
[08:20] <DanaG> Pidgin  Gaim
[08:20] <DanaG> s///
[08:20] <Beriant> i need some help with ubuntu,anyone willing to help me out a little?
[08:21] <jaypro> just ask the question, Beriant
[08:21] <Sonicadvance1> Gah, I'm having a problem with Grub again. Now I'm getting Grub Error 22
[08:22] <Beriant> alright,i installed ubuntu setup went fine and everything,and i get to the log in screen,and i log in but it just goes to a blank beiege screen with a small strip of colors in the middle
[08:22] <Beriant> and does nothing,just sits there
[08:22] <zen> ahh  still cant get the gui to install
[08:23] <Beriant> any idea whats up?
[08:23] <liwayway> hi. was able to run 915resolution on my laptop with GMA 950. how can i make the 1280 x 800 "permanent"?
[08:24] <jaypro> Beriant>i think ive gotten that before.  i didnt know what to do with it so i tried to install ubuntu again, and it worked.  i dont know.   someone else probably has a better answer for you
[08:24] <Beriant> alright,ill just wait for someone else to give me an answer and if not ill try re installing it again
[08:24] <Beriant> thx though
[08:25] <Senesence> I'v noticed that when I run gedit from terminal, that terminal is "busy" until I close gedit. Is there a way to run gedit from terminal, and still have the terminal free to do other work?
[08:26] <khin> now i tried building mplayer with --enable-gui on ./configure and it wont build
[08:26] <liwayway> hi. was able to run 915resolution on my laptop with GMA 950. how can i make the 1280 x 800 "permanent"?
[08:26] <eddyMul> Senesence: run gedit like this "gedit &"
[08:26] <zen> ahh finally solve le..
[08:26] <khin> yeah the & thing makes stuff run in the background
[08:26] <zen> forgot to setup the lan
[08:27] <supirole> is there some mIrc equivalent for ubuntu??
[08:27] <khin> XChat
[08:27] <supirole> may i transfer files .. ??
[08:28] <shane_> Hey all, every time i try to download a torrent, on any client, I get a connection refused error, but I can use GAIM, web radio, firefox...what can i do to fix it?
[08:28] <gerro> supirole: try xchat or irssi
[08:28] <Senesence> Thanks eddyMul.
[08:28] <eddyMul> Senesence: you're welcome
[08:28] <jaypro> shane_> i dont know if you want to be downloading sheit off of torrents....
[08:28] <ziroday> shane_: use a different port
[08:28] <gerro> supirole: don't grab the gnome thing its confusing try the regular one :)
[08:28] <arooni> can someone please take a look at my xorg conf file?  i've tried to get xinerama working but couldnt't :(... http://pastie.caboo.se/75312
[08:28] <eddyMul> supirole: yes, you can transfer files using xchat
[08:29] <jaypro> shane_> i hear the riaa, spa, (and one other company) are going to get a hold of the logs from the torrent sites
[08:29] <shane_> jaypro, only copyrighted stuff is bad to dl from torrent, a lot of Linux distro's are put onto torrents to help reduce bandwith issues
[08:30] <jaypro> shane_> why not download directly from the site then?
[08:30] <jaypro> shane_> if you are not getting copyrighted stuff
[08:31] <Flannel> jaypro: because torrents are faster often times, and they don't hammer distros servers
[08:31] <xenex> jaypro, if you want to help save the server's bandwidth, that is all
[08:31] <shane_> can someone explain to jaypro why we use bittorrent for linux distro's, etc instead of ftp/http downloading?
[08:32] <jaypro> shane_> all im saying is, that if you cant grab it from the torrents, why not download it from site... that is all
[08:32] <shane_> jaypro, the content is the issue. linux is open-source meaning its ok to make torrents of and share. its not ok to do mp3,movies, that kind of stuff
[08:32] <shane_> jaypro, sometimes a torrent is the only way to get it
[08:32] <ComunisTico> hi im using kubuntu but I cant empty my trash can
[08:33] <jaypro> shane_> what distro
[08:33] <eddyMul> jaypro: people often pay hosting by bandwidth, so serving distros via HTTP/FTP might not be economical for some people
[08:33] <ComunisTico> how can u empty the trash can via the terminal?
[08:34] <eddyMul> ComunisTico: good question. I've also do it by deleting the files in ~/.Trash/. But I'm curious for the "proper" way of doing it.
[08:34] <shane_> ziroday, any other ideas?
[08:34] <gerro> ComunisTico: do ls -a to see hidden files in your home directory
[08:34] <ComunisTico> ok
[08:34] <ziroday> shane_ no only try use a diff client or make sure the port is open
[08:34] <gerro> eddyMul: that is the "proper" way of deleting it from terminal
[08:35] <ziroday> shane_ on iptables and the router
[08:35] <eddyMul> gerro: I guess so.   :)
[08:35] <ComunisTico> roberto@roberto-laptop:~$ do ls -a
[08:35] <ComunisTico> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `do'
[08:35] <ComunisTico> thats what  got...
[08:35] <shane_> ziroday, i have a motorola surfboard modem, no router what do i do on iptables
[08:35] <gerro> ComunisTico: omg you don't know about the ls command? www.linux.org they got nice guide for command line beginners what I meant was "ls -a"
[08:36] <liwayway> help me re: GMA 950-powered laptop. have been able to use 915resolution to install 1280x800 but everytime I reboot, it returns to the old resolution. how can i make the change "permanent"?
[08:36] <ComunisTico> doh.... yeah i saw that... dont know why i copy/past all... :S
[08:37] <ComunisTico> and ok i go to the trash can and how do i delete what i got there?
[08:37] <shane_> gerro, we were all noobs once. this is the place for people to get help...comments like that are what scare some people away and keep them in the closed-source world.
[08:37] <arooni> can someone please take a look at my xorg conf file?  i've tried to get xinerama working but couldnt't :(... http://pastie.caboo.se/75312
[08:38] <eddyMul> ComunisTico: `rm *` to delete all files
[08:38] <ComunisTico> ok thanks :)
[08:38] <Schaduwfax> whats the default root password
[08:38] <DanaG> rm * is bad
[08:38] <gerro> shane_: he asked specifically for command line help, not the easier noob method, plz have some respect for fellow community members :P
[08:39] <DanaG> if you don't know where you are!
[08:39] <DanaG> Always use a path -- such as rm -rfiv ~/.Trash
[08:39] <DanaG> Or if you know you've cd'd to ~/.Trash
[08:39] <gerro> ComunisTico: rm -Rf * so it deletes sub directories and forces delete on symbolic links (like shortcut thingies)
[08:39] <shane_> gerro, noted, seemed like you were bullying, sorry for butting in, almost sounded like you were on #gentoo
[08:40] <Sonicadvance1> Dang, I need help fixing Error 22 in Grub :D
[08:40] <gerro> OmegaCenti: yo sup
[08:40] <jettred2001> how do I manuly download some updates for ubuntu
[08:40] <kkathman> damn xchat sucks when you minimize - it goes away and you cant find it grrrr
[08:40] <ComunisTico> ok thanks done it, cause i had no more room left on the main  particion :)
[08:41] <bluebanana> I have a Q. I'm on Ubuntu. If I install a KDE program, KDE files will be installed. Does this mean that my computer will be slowed down with KDE library files only when the KDE app is running, or even when no KDE app is running?
[08:41] <Flannel> bluebanana: theyll only be in memory when that app is running.  otherwise theyre just taking up harddrive space.
[08:42] <Flannel> jettred2001: what do you mean by `manually`?
[08:42] <bluebanana> Flannel, hi there again. thanks. And how much memory do the KDE library files take up in RAM/memory (when kde app is running)?
[08:42] <Flannel> bluebanana: I'm not really sure.  I suppose it'd depend on the app.
[08:43] <liwayway> help me re: GMA 950-powered laptop. have been able to use 915resolution to install 1280x800 but everytime I reboot, it returns to the old resolution. how can i make the change "permanent"?
[08:43] <bluebanana> Flannel, well, i meant the lowest-common-denominator KDE library files... the files that ALL kde apps use
[08:44] <supirole> is there some app to bring remote support to desktop users...
[08:44] <supirole> ??
[08:44] <liwayway> help me re: GMA 950-powered laptop. have been able to use 915resolution to install 1280x800 but everytime I reboot, it returns to the old resolution. how can i make the change "permanent"?
[08:44] <jlund> bluebanana: Don't be paranoid about RAM usage. You can run in a mixed environment even on extremely old hardware. I have a Pentium 2 in the office that runs KDE but I use Firefox on it for testing a lot. It just doesn't matter. :)
[08:44] <ghostx> bluebanana, what program are  u trying to install that requires kde files?
[08:45] <bluebanana> ghostx, at this time, I'm trying to keep my system free from any kde programs (but interestingly enough, I have a .kde folder in my home dir). I'd like to try amarok
[08:46] <Flannel> bluebanana: I wouldn't know either.  But, we can guess... kdelibs4c2a has an installed size of 34396,libqt3-mt is 8916, and I imagine a good deal of that is documentation/etc anyway.
[08:46] <bluebanana> jlund, i'm that kinda guy who wants to maximize what i have
[08:46] <Flannel> bluebanana: well, you can always add them, check it out, then remove them later if you find it's too hefty
[08:47] <Flannel> bluebanana: oh, and kdelibs-data is 27804, forgot that one.  I imagine that's mostly real stuff too, not text document fluff.
[08:47] <jettred2001> Flannel: on the update manager I got this
[08:47] <jettred2001> You must manually run 'dpkg --configur -a' to correct the problem
[08:47] <jettred2001> E :cache->open()failed please report
[08:48] <bluebanana> Flannel,  thanks. Are you saying that any kde program installs just two "basic" files: kdelibs4c2a and libqt3-mt?
[08:48] <Flannel> jettred2001: and did you run that command to correct the problem?  (with sudo)
[08:49] <jettred2001> Flannel: how
[08:49] <bluebanana> Flannel, oh , i see you added a third: kdelibs-data
[08:49] <Flannel> bluebanana: Well, and kdelibs-data.  That's what it appears, yes.   You'll drive yourself crazy and miss out on real performance gains by refusing to use certains applications. Rhythmbox is quite frankly pretty prehistoric compared to Amarok. Even if there were a measureable performance penalty (and there isn't) would it really be worth it to NEVER ever run anything that wasn't GTK? It just seems insane to me.
[08:50] <DanaG> I installed kcontrol so I can control how amarok looks.
[08:50] <bluebanana> Flannel, so ONLY 3 kde "library" files are installed for a kde program, correct. So are you saying that if i install amarok (a kde app), installing any additional KDE program will not install any more files but the KDE program/application itself?
[08:51] <bluebanana> jlund, ok. so it seems insane to you. what i would like to know is why. How little is it really that i'm losing out on memory/speed? that's what i want to know.
[08:51] <Sonicadvance1> Anyone Able to Help me with Grub Error 22?
[08:52] <Flannel> bluebanana: I'm saying those are the depends I imagine they all use.  If you go to that site, you'll see *all* the dependencies that you need.  (well, you also need to check out the dependencies of the dependencies and so on).  And you'll knwo exactly what packages are installed (a lot of those depeds will already be installed, because gnome requires them as well)
[08:52] <bluebanana> Flannel, you gave me the size of the 3 files. are those numbers also the same when in RAM?
[08:53] <Flannel> bluebanana: no.  That's disk space.  Any documentation or whatever that came with them wouldn't be loaded into RAM.
[08:53] <khin> well i solved my build issue with mplayer. turns out i needed to run make clean. now gmplayer is there too. yay.
[08:53] <Flannel> bluebanana: but, for amarok, there are further dependnencies you'll need.
[08:53] <Jamesinator> What is the password for the default "ubuntu" user on the Ubuntu 7.04 Desktop Live CD?
[08:53] <bluebanana> Flannel, right. i'm just wondering about the files that ALL kde apps need
[08:54] <jlund> bluebanana: I am telling you that will not notice any difference whatsoever. None at all. Having kdelibs installed and running Amarok (or any other KDE app) in Gnome isn't going to cripple your system or slow it down significantly. I am telling you to be careful of turning your desktop Linux experience into the equivalent of a teenage kid taking a Honda Civic and bolting thousands of dollars worth of garbage to the frame in an attempt to
[08:54] <jlund> increase its speed.
[08:54] <holycow> jlund, lol
[08:54] <bluebanana> jlund, using your analogy, i would have reversed the imagery... bolting things OFF the Civic. 8-)
[08:54] <holycow> great advice
[08:55] <ubuntubeginz> anyone knows how to set up OpenGL in ubuntu
[08:55] <bluebanana> jlund, i'm a newbie.
[08:55] <bluebanana> jlund, i've just heard that Kubuntu is "heavier" than Ubuntu. I hope you can see where my question is coming from
[08:55] <holycow> ubuntubeginz, just install nvidia, ati or intel drivers, depending on what videocard/cihpset you have
[08:55] <jlund> bluebanana: Just relax, install what you want to run, and enjoy. If you have a nice system it is going to be just fine.
[08:56] <bluebanana> jlund, thanks for the encouragement to relax. I feel relaxed now that you've explained things.
[08:57] <ubuntubeginz> holycow: i am supposed to OpenGL programming... U mean installing the drivers is enuff for it...
[08:57] <jlund> bluebanana: I can because I was exactly like you when I first started using Gentoo in 2000. I compiled everything from source with very optimistic speed settings. I was tuning constantly. All of my efforts were totally worthless because I wasn't realizing any speed gains that even remotely approximated the amount of time I was spending trying to get the best performance.
[08:57] <bluebanana> it's harder for me to relax, jlund, had you just said "Relax" without answering my concerns. But you did. Thanks.
[08:57] <holycow> ubuntubeginz, oh thats a WHOOOOOOOOOOLE other question
[08:57] <bluebanana> typo: It's harder --> It would be harder
[08:58] <holycow> this is a fairly noob channel i thought you meant how to get ogl acceleration happening so you could run beryl or something
[08:58] <jettred2001> Flannel: it says that 'dpkg --configure -a' is an unknowen command
[08:58] <bluebanana> jlund, yeah, i hear that compiling doesn't help with speed
[08:58] <bluebanana> jlund, but isn't it true that Kubuntu is "heavier" than Ubuntu?
[08:58] <bruenig> jettred2001, check for typo
[08:58] <Beriant> anyone know why when i try to log into ubuntu it goes to a blank beige screen with a strip of colors in the middle and freezes up?
[08:58] <holycow> ubuntubeginz, don't kjnow anything about ogl programming , all you would need to do is google it however
[08:58] <holycow> ogl is an open standard and all the tools are in the repos
[08:58] <bruenig> bluebanana, bout the same really, if you need something light xfce is the way to go
[08:58] <Flannel> jettred2001: doesn't it tell you to do -A not -a?
[08:58] <jlund> bluebanana: It is hard because coming from Windows you really do need to be careful about what you install because there can be significant hits to performance. Linux is different. The apt package management system keeps things organized. The OS performance doesn't degrade over time etc.
[08:59] <bruenig> that wouldn't give unknown command
[08:59] <bruenig> that would give bad option
[08:59] <ubuntubeginz> holycow: i need to install OpenGl to do some skol work.. :) .. but it seems like mostly in windows environment.. dats why
[08:59] <jlund> bluebanana: On my hardware (Athlon 64 3000+, 1 gig of memory--not super impressive but no slouch either) Kubuntu feels faster.
[08:59] <holycow> well it really depends what you want to do, you have here a whole slew of free stuff
[08:59] <bluebanana> A question. So say I install KDEprogram1, which installs KDE library files. Then I later install KDEprogram2. If I decide that I wanted to get uninstall KDEProgram 1 and 2, how can i make sure it deletes/removes  all the KDE library files that my ubuntu computer no longer needs?
[08:59] <holycow> every language and toolkit will have its own ogl bindings
[09:00] <holycow> what ogl libraries you need i don't know
[09:00] <Beriant> anyone know why when i try to log into ubuntu it goes to a blank beige screen with a strip of colors in the middle and freezes up?
[09:00] <bluebanana> bruenig, about the same? oh.
[09:00] <bruenig> bluebanana, handled by package management, it does
[09:00] <ubuntubeginz> holycow: using c++
[09:00] <holycow> but it should be all there, even python programmers code up ogl apps
[09:00] <bluebanana> bruenig, are you sure?
[09:00] <jlund> bluebanana: Use aptitude instead of apt-get. aptitude will remove library dependencies if the programs that you installed them for are removed.
[09:00] <shane_> Beriant, do you have an nvidia card?
[09:00] <holycow> then you might want to look at qt toolkit, kde dev ide, and whatever ogl bindings exist for that
[09:00] <holycow> probably quite a few other options as well
[09:01] <bruenig> bluebanana, I mean that is what it is supposed to do I haven't look through the source code myself of apt-get, I would imagine however that if it didn't someone would have found that by now
[09:01] <jlund> bluebanana: But the whole KDE is "heavier" than Gnome thing is a myth.
[09:01] <ubuntubeginz> holycow: hmm, thanks.. will have to google harder then... thanks for insight
[09:01] <bluebanana> As you can all tell, my other worry is that if I keep installing programs (whether gnome or KDE programs) just to try them out, I may be stuck with unneeded files and folders when I do add/remove or synaptic -> remove
[09:01] <Beriant> shane: yes i do
[09:01] <bruenig> jlund, you are wrong, they both do that
[09:01] <holycow> ubuntubeginz, yeah the problem for noobs really is taking time to have your 'minds eye' adjust
[09:01] <holycow> there is just SOOOOOOOO MUCH choice that it takes a while for your brain to start seeing the trees for the forest
[09:02] <holycow> just give it a bit more time to soak in, it all become crystal soonish
[09:02] <shane_> Beriant, when did it start up did you change the xorg.conf or just install the card?
[09:02] <ubuntubeginz> holycow: currently i am just seeing the stars..  :D
[09:02] <jlund> bruenig: Is that new? It didn't back in the Breezy days when I first started getting in the habit of typing 'aptitude' instead :).
[09:02] <holycow> :) welcome to the dark side
[09:02] <holycow> its a marvelous universe indeed
[09:02] <bluebanana> jlund, oh. aptitude sounds a LOT better than using apt-get. Why does most everybody (e.g. ubuntuforums, ubuntuguide, here in irc, etc) give commands with "apt-get" rather than "aptitude"?
[09:02] <Beriant> Shane,i didnt change anything i just did the standard install and followed the setps
[09:02] <bruenig> jlund, well yeah new since 20 months ago
[09:03] <jlund> bluebanana: Sounds like apt-get and aptitude are about the same now :)
[09:03] <shane_> Beriant, are you on livecd right now?
[09:03] <bluebanana> they are?
[09:03] <bluebanana> i'm so slow with these things.
[09:03] <bruenig> jlund, difference is with apt-get is an option, need to do apt-get autoremove to do it, whereas aptitude forces it which generally is cool but on occasion might be against what you want
[09:03] <jettred2001> Flannel: it still says command not found
[09:03] <Beriant> na,i used the alternate text based one
[09:03] <bruenig> s/is/it is/
[09:03] <bluebanana> so apt-get is "smarter" now.... good to hear. Is it still to my best interest (and to every newbie's best interest) to use aptitude over apt-get?
[09:04] <jlund> bluebanana: Well they all tie into the same package management system which is called apt.
[09:04] <shane_> ok. tell me in your xorg.conf what it says in the Device section for driver
[09:04] <Beriant> how do i get to that
[09:04] <bruenig> bluebanana, they are essentially the same
[09:04] <shane_> Beriant, i bet it is a 7000 or better card too
[09:04] <bluebanana> jlund, ok. i'm learning a lot of new things with you and bruenig .
[09:04] <holycow> bluebanana, no there is no difference really
[09:04] <Beriant> the computer im on right now is diff from the other one,obviously.and yes its a 7800 gt
[09:04] <jlund> bluebanana: Happy to help.
[09:05] <shane_> Beriant, in a terminal, run "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf" (without quotes)
[09:05] <Flannel> jlund, bluebanana, apt-get's autoremove (standard as of feisty, optional on edgy), makes apt-get have the same ability.
[09:05] <Beriant> shane,alright brb,let me go try it
[09:05] <bluebanana> I'm more of a GUI/point and click user.... Is add/remove OR synaptic as smart in auto-removing unneeded files as aptitude OR apt-get?
[09:05] <Lad> hello
[09:05] <holycow> bluebanana, synaptic uses apt get
[09:05] <Lad> i need help,i made a bunch of toolbars and now i cant delete them
[09:05] <holycow> its just a gui for it
[09:06] <bluebanana> Flannel, i see. I guess I just have to remember to use autoremove as a suffix
[09:06] <Beriant> shane,actualy before i go,where would i type that in at,when i startup the computer it goes  straight to the ubunto log in screen
[09:06] <bluebanana> I should make a big note on my computer "Note to self: when using apt-get remove, use autoremove"
[09:06] <Lad> even when i rightclick on them it dosent hae a delete option
[09:06] <Beriant> shane,after the bios and loading screen
[09:06] <core2duo_ftw> Beriant, how are you connecting to IRC atm?
[09:06] <bruenig> bluebanana, even if you just do apt-get remove, it will remember what is no longer needed and at any time in the future you can just run apt-get autoremove with no package at the end and it will clear it all out
[09:06] <Beriant> core2duo,im on a different computer in the house
[09:07] <core2duo_ftw> oh.
[09:07] <bluebanana> why would  a person choose NOT to use autoremove?
[09:07] <Lad> is this to small of a issue to ask here
[09:07] <bluebanana> bruenig, auto-remove will clear out what? all the unneeded files globally speaking?
[09:07] <holycow> bluebanana, because on linux things aren't setup to AUTOMAGICALLY start up ... things are sensible
[09:07] <bruenig> bluebanana, well like with your kde example, let's say I have one kde program, and I am going to install it but I know right after I install it I am going to install another one, I don't want to remove all of those kde libs when I know I will probably be reinstalling them in just a second
[09:07] <core2duo_ftw> Beriant, ok. new videocard? 7800GT or some fancy shit like that?
[09:07] <bluebanana> (I feel my brain cells increasing) 8-)
[09:07] <jlund> bluebanana: One thing that you should know is that most of the time leaving the supporting libraries installed doesn't hurt your performance at all. They are not loaded into memory unless another program is using them and they are very tiny so you aren't losing disk space. This is another area where you should feel good about relaxing. :)
[09:07] <Woosta> The libdbd-mysql-perl package is really old .. 3.002, but the debian paackage for  4.004 is too far into unstable. Does anyone know where I can get a more recent package that will install?
[09:08] <Beriant> its a nvidia 7800 gt 256 MB
[09:08] <holycow> on windows even the smallest app think it should be a service so you get windows people 'thinking' installing is bad
[09:08] <Lad> can someone help me with deleting panels?
[09:08] <Woosta> I'd just remove it and install the latest from CPAN, but too much depends on it
[09:08] <Beriant> ive had it for a while though so its not brand new or anything
[09:08] <holycow> on linux 'installing' simply means copying, you put the app in the right place and it doesn't do anything until you call up on it mostly
[09:08] <bruenig> bluebanana, no I mean let's say you just use apt-get remove instead of autoremove, apt-get remembers the dependencies that you no longer need and can uninstall them later if you do apt-get autoremove
[09:08] <bluebanana> jlund, very tiny disk space? really?
[09:08] <holycow> bluebanana, consequently, windows noobs also bitch about the inverse
[09:08] <bruenig> bluebanana, I meant uninstall it above
[09:08] <Lad> anyone able to teach me how to delete panels?>
[09:08] <bluebanana> jlund, if so, that's good. I thought files take up megabytes, if not, tens of megabytes
[09:08] <holycow> on linux you are expected to MAKE CHOICES about what you want the system to do, and you are exspected to configure stuff
[09:09] <holycow> windows users aren't used to thinking
[09:09] <core2duo_ftw> Beriant, this is what i did. i have the same card. honestly, you need to use another videocard to install, then get the nvidia drivers. then switch back to the 7800GT
[09:09] <Lad> lol
[09:09] <holycow> windows users aren't used to thinking
[09:09] <holycow> because frankly my dear, it don't matter
[09:09] <bruenig> Lad, right click remove panel
[09:09] <holycow> its up to you to decide if it does
[09:09] <core2duo_ftw> holycow, lol! XD
[09:09] <Lad> dosenthae that option to remoe
[09:09] <Lad> only cusomize and add items
[09:09] <Lad> and quit and restart
[09:10] <Lad> :(
[09:10] <core2duo_ftw> Beriant, you still around?
[09:10] <Beriant> core2duo,ye im here
[09:10] <Beriant> core2duo,im thinking if i have another one.
[09:10] <jlund> bluebanana: Well they can, but it doesn't slow things down. If no programs are using the libraries and they aren't running then they are like any other file on your system. Does the machine slow down when you have multiple wordprocessor documents in a folder? Nope.
[09:10] <Beriant> core2duo,so if i find another one i can just hook it up turn on the pc log into ubuntu do w/e and download some nvidia drivers,then put my nvidia back in and it should work?
[09:11] <bluebanana> Ok. so just to confirm... If installing KDEprogram1 made me get KDE_library_files, and I then install KDEprogram2 later.... if I uninstall KDEprogram1 first, will apt-get/apt be smart enough to now connect the library files with the still existing KDEprogram2 (for later, if I remove KDEPRogram2)?
[09:11] <Lad> anyone able to helpme delete a panel, right click it and there is no remove opton, my options arecustomize add item and quit and restart
[09:11] <bruenig> bluebanana, yes
[09:11] <core2duo_ftw> yes. that is what i did. there may be another way, but here is the problem
[09:11] <bluebanana> jlund, i see (re: documents analogy)
[09:11] <kraut> moin
[09:12] <Lad> helpmelol
[09:12] <jlund> bluebanana: Yes, apt-get is smart enough to not remove libraries that are still being used.
[09:12] <core2duo_ftw> Beriant, the "nv" driver is what ubuntu uses by default. it is a free open source driver. But that driver does not support our videocard atm. So you get digital trash.
[09:13] <bluebanana> another question... I have sometimes done "Show Hidden Files" while in Nautilus/Home folder. How come i still have some .foo_folder when I've already removed the foo program?
[09:13] <Lad> hi can someone help me delete a panel
[09:13] <core2duo_ftw> Lad, a GNOME panel?
[09:13] <Lad> yeah
[09:13] <Beriant> core2duo,ahh makes sense.so really theres no way around it until the "nv" driver supports our graph card?
[09:13] <Lad> i do so believe
[09:13] <bruenig> bluebanana, the configuration folders in the home folder are created by the program during execution, they are not installed by package management
[09:13] <Sonicadvance1> Right click on it and "Delete this panel"
[09:13] <Lad> dosnt have the delete option
[09:14] <Sonicadvance1> Orly?
[09:14] <bruenig> bluebanana, and so package management doesn't know they exist just like they don't know about documents or music or whatever else you put on it
[09:14] <Sonicadvance1> What options does it have?
[09:14] <Lad> customize or add
[09:14] <Flannel> bluebanana: two reasons.  First, "removing" only removes the binaries.  Config files are still there.  You want "remove completely" in synaptic, or --purge in apt-get to remove config files.  Second, the stuff in your home folder won't get removed ever by package management. It's yours to keep
[09:14] <bluebanana> bruenig, i see. don't you think that the removal of the .foo folder (configuration folder as you call them) should be automatically removed with the removal of the program.... somehow?
[09:14] <bruenig> bluebanana, package management can't know that it exists
[09:14] <Sonicadvance1> What version of Gnome are you using?
[09:14] <holycow> bluebanana, no why should it be removed?
[09:14] <Lad> how do i find out?
[09:15] <Flannel> bluebanana: what if you're planning on moving your homedir somewhere else?
[09:15] <holycow> why don't you think it SHOULD ONLY be removed WHEN YOU SAY SO?
[09:15] <bruenig> it is not a matter of whether it should or shouldn't be removed, it is a matter of it being impossible
[09:15] <jlund> bluebanana: No, you wouldn't want this because other data can be stored in those folders as well.
[09:15] <bluebanana> holycow, because there is no reason to keep the config files/folder for a program when that program is gone.
[09:15] <Sonicadvance1> system -> About Gnome
[09:15] <bluebanana> jlund, oh
[09:15] <holycow> bluebanana, clearly you have only worked on windows
[09:15] <Lad> actually i dont have gnome
[09:15] <bluebanana> holycow, 8-)
[09:15] <core2duo_ftw> Lad, is it the only GNOME panel open? Or a second/third
[09:15] <bruenig> bluebanana, just delete them, every once in a while I do that to make sure I don't have any junk in there
[09:15] <bluebanana> holycow, forgive me
[09:15] <bluebanana> 8-)
[09:15] <Lad> there are about 30 panels open
[09:16] <holycow> bluebanana, so if you remove your email software then magically your email settings should be gone too right?
[09:16] <Lad> just floating around my screen
[09:16] <holycow> i mean 'oops' there goes your email, your imap info AND your password, right?
[09:16] <bruenig> holycow, you make it seem like it is a feature, it is an impossibility, it is not like someone sat down and decided not to doit
[09:16] <Sonicadvance1> did you just right click add over and over?
[09:16] <bruenig> do it*
[09:16] <Lad> think so
[09:16] <bluebanana> bruenig, i have sometimes done "spring cleaning" of .foo folders in my home dir, but sometimes I can't remember if a folder with a cryptic name is connected with a program that I still have installed.
[09:16] <holycow> bruenig, good point, bluebanana what he said :)
[09:16] <Sonicadvance1> lol
[09:17] <Lad> i used the panel manger to add them clicked the plus sign
[09:17] <bruenig> bluebanana, like what name
[09:17] <Sonicadvance1> Have you found your version yet?
[09:17] <bluebanana> holycow, well, yes, if i remove an email program, i'd prefer to have all the settings for that program gone. Why would I like to keep them?
[09:17] <Lad> i dont see the gnome settings anywhere i dont think i have it, my xubuntu is fresh still
[09:17] <holycow> bluebanana, who is to decide?
[09:17] <bruenig> bluebanana, generally programs are pretty straight forward, they will be called .programname, any .local or .config or .cache or anything like that is not tied to a program or at least not one that you have likely removed
[09:18] <Flannel> bluebanana: because your emails/contacts/etc would be in there.
[09:18] <Sonicadvance1> oh
[09:18] <holycow> bluebanana, does it not make more sens to say 'keep settings by defaiult' ... only remove them with' suod apt-get remove --purge' command?
[09:18] <bruenig> if it were possible to remove this dynamically created files, a feature would exist
[09:18] <bruenig> but it doesn't because it is not
[09:18] <bluebanana> Flannel, bruenig , holycow ok. i think i now see the value of having the .config folder NOT removed with the removal of a program
[09:18] <holycow> bluebanana, i would say choice is good, although it seems to me you didn't notice someone up there telling you about --purge
[09:18] <Sonicadvance1> xubuntu? isn't the default not Gnome?
[09:18] <Lad> im nt sure
[09:18] <Sonicadvance1> Is it....Fluxbox?
[09:18] <Sonicadvance1> can't remember
[09:18] <bruenig> holycow, purge doesn't remove them
[09:19] <Lad> is ubuntu better than xubuntu?
[09:19] <bruenig> holycow, purge removes /etc config files, not home/user/.config files
[09:19] <bruenig> !best | Lad
[09:19] <ubotu> Lad: Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[09:19] <bluebanana> bruenig, ok. I learned something new again. So there's /etc folder too with config files
[09:19] <holycow> ah i forgot ... heads up again
[09:19] <holycow> :)
[09:19] <Sonicadvance1> UBuntu uses more resources than xubuntu because of the different enviroment
[09:19] <bruenig> bluebanana, yeah /etc is where system wide config files are kept and those are installed with programs
[09:19] <BelialMkII> What is the package name to get the latest kernel sources, need to compile a few things in and wish to try that powertop app, or do i just need to grab them from kernel.org
[09:19] <bruenig> bluebanana, those are overridden by home folder config files which are per user
[09:19] <levander> Lad: xubuntu is always recommended for machines with less resources, other than that, it's preference
[09:19] <Lad> as for my panels are there any delete options anywhere
[09:20] <Lad> i have a good machiene
[09:20] <bluebanana> bruenig, should I also do "spring cleaning in /etc?
[09:20] <bluebanana> or is that where -purge comes in?
[09:20] <bruenig> bluebanana, purge will do it
[09:20] <levander> Lad: just go with the flow and stick with Ubuntu, there's a wider support base and more work put into it by Canonical (my 2c)
[09:20] <headcloud> can anyone help me with feisty fawn on a ppc g5?
[09:20] <Flannel> bluebanana: that's where --purge comes in
[09:20] <levander> headcloud: just ask
[09:20] <bluebanana> please confirm the command: is it apt-get --purge?
[09:20] <bruenig> bluebanana, it doesn't much matter unless you like a tight system or are concerned with disk space, I like to keep my stuff clean though too
[09:21] <bluebanana> I'll try to purge now
[09:21] <levander> bluebanana: "apt-get remove --purge <package name>"
[09:21] <Lad> anyluck sonic?
[09:21] <bluebanana> bruenig, yes, you finally understand me.. i like a tight system. i like maximizing disk space.
[09:21] <bluebanana> 8-)
[09:21] <bluebanana> levander, is there no global purge command?
[09:21] <bluebanana> what if i forgot to do a purge to a program that i've already removed?
[09:21] <valehru> Is there any way I can view a MS access DB from Ubuntu?  Just view the tables & data, nothing else
[09:21] <headcloud> i can get 6.06 to work but 6.10 and 7.0.4 give me a black screen after rebooting after install.  i believe this is due to my radeon 9600 video card but i don't know how to fix it cause i am brand new to linux
[09:22] <levander> Now that apt-get supports tracking orphans, should I just drop aptitude and go back to apt-get?  Will I lose all my orphan tracking that occurred while I was using aptitude?
[09:22] <bruenig> bluebanana, I don't like this particular aspect of apt-get, on arch which is what I use, it renames /etc/config files to /etc/config.pacsave so if you want to remove them later it is very easy to see whatever ends in .pacsave can go
[09:22] <levander> bluebanana: if by global command you mean can you leave out the remove and still purge, the answer is no
[09:22] <Lad> anyone else know how to delete panels in xubuntu
[09:22] <levander> Lad: right click on the panel, is there a "Remove Panel" option?
[09:23] <bruenig> bluebanana, it renames them to .pacsave after you remove the package that is
[09:23] <bluebanana> levander, no, by global, i meant removing <package-name>
[09:23] <headcloud> is there anyway to get 7.0.4 to work on a G5 with an Ati Radeon Pro 9600?
[09:23] <ziroday> headcloud: you need to install the radeon drivers (open source) and then tell xorg to use them
[09:23] <holycow> oh xubuntu ... Lad lol i don't think you can? i forget.  no one in #xubuntu?
[09:23] <Lad> no remove panel option
[09:23] <bluebanana> bruenig, renaming to .pacsave is with Ubuntu or with your ArchOS?
[09:23] <Beriant> core2duo,great i found an older graph card but the monitor now says out of range 35.4khz out of 79 hz
[09:23] <bruenig> bluebanana, arch
[09:23] <levander> bluebanana: "apt-get remove --purge <package name" does remove <package name>
[09:23] <Lad> im getting help
[09:23] <bluebanana> bruenig, I'm on ubuntu
[09:23] <bluebanana> 8-)
[09:23] <BelialMkII> What is the package name to get the latest kernel sources, need to compile a few things in and wish to try that powertop app, or do i just need to grab them from kernel.org
[09:23] <headcloud> well, the problem is that after i install, when i go to reboot, i see the ubuntu screen but then it goes completely blank so i don't even get a command line or anything
[09:23] <timfrost> BelialMkII, unless the driver you want to build must be built in the source tree, you only need the headers, supplied as linux-headers-generic
[09:24] <bruenig> levander, he means he wants to purge all the stuff that he has removed so far
[09:24] <ziroday> headcloud: press alt-f1
[09:24] <ziroday> headcloud: what happens?
[09:24] <bluebanana> levander, yes, but I want to do a global "apt-get remove --purge <all unneeeded etc config files> 8-)
[09:24] <Beriant> core2duo,still there?
[09:24] <core2duo_ftw> Beriant, yes
[09:24] <headcloud> .what happens when?
[09:24] <Beriant> core2duo,kk did ya see my message just before?
[09:24] <core2duo_ftw> can you even get to a terminal
[09:24] <bruenig> bluebanana, you may wish to create an alias in your ~/.bashrc that says: alias agr='sudo apt-get autoremove --purge'
[09:25] <bruenig> bluebanana, that way you can just do agr package and it will do all of that in the future
[09:25] <ziroday> headcloud: you will go into a command line terminal
[09:25] <Beriant> the computer that im installing ubuntu on,no but ive got a shitload of other computers in the house that are working
[09:25] <BelialMkII> timfrost: I'd like to use a different framebuffer, and well.... am used to compiling my own. Is there a package for the lot or will it cause troubles? Or should i head back to gentoo
[09:25] <bluebanana> what's "agr package"?
[09:25] <headcloud> ok, but i am a newbie so i don't know what to do at that point
[09:25] <levander> bruenig: bluebanana: oh, my bad, I don't know of one that will automatically go and purge every single package that has been removed, but if you know the name of a package that you've already removed and forgot to purge it, you can "sudo dpkg purge <package name>" - but you need to know the package name
[09:25] <bruenig> bluebanana, you have to set up the alias
[09:25] <bluebanana> bruenig, is that kinda  like a shortcut?
[09:25] <Beriant> core2duo,idk wtf is up the monitor is the graph card just to shitty or something?
[09:25] <Beriant> excuse my language
[09:26] <core2duo_ftw> no, Beriant your xorg.conf is jacked. reinstall using that card
[09:26] <bruenig> bluebanana, don't worry about it, just a tip not necessary
[09:26] <holycow> bluebanana, just out of curiosity, why are are you spending so much time on basically irrelevant questions?  :) i mean that in a friendly way
[09:26] <Beriant> core2duo,alright thx be back later and ill tell ya how it goes lol
[09:26] <headcloud> ziroday: would you be able to tell me what to type when i get the command line?
[09:26] <holycow> i would think INSTALLING stuff is way more fun than UNINSTALLING stuff
[09:26] <holycow> :)
[09:26] <ziroday> headcloud: sure
[09:26] <ziroday> headcloud: but i gotta go soon
[09:26] <holycow> find out what your box CAN do first, then figure out how to fix your screw up later :)
[09:26] <levander> Have people stopped using aptitude and gone back to apt-get?
[09:26] <bruenig> package management is the most important function of a distro
[09:27] <levander> If I go back to apt-get, am I going to lose all my orphan tracking that was done with aptitude?
[09:27] <holycow> bruenig, +1
[09:27] <bluebanana> holycow,  because resources are limited. my RAM/hard drive space/computer power is NOT infinite
[09:27] <Sonicadvance1> Hm, Still haven't had my problem solved yet
[09:27] <headcloud> ziroday: ok, well, if you have a minute i would greatly appreciate it :)
[09:27] <holycow> what? but ... how can that be?
[09:27] <bluebanana> holycow, what does +1 mean?
[09:27] <holycow> :) i kid
[09:27] <holycow> bluebanana, slashdot pun
[09:28] <bruenig> I prefer ++
[09:28] <hylje> -1, redundant
[09:28] <holycow> l33t
[09:28] <bluebanana> Off-topic. 8-)
[09:28] <jlund> HOT GRITS
[09:28] <holycow> heh
[09:28] <ziroday> headcloud: sure
[09:28] <bluebanana> I appreciate your help tonight/this morning, jlund holycow  bruenig levander
[09:29] <ziroday> headcloud: you in terminal yet?
[09:29] <timfrost> BelialMkII, if you really need the linux source package, the package you need is linux-source
[09:29] <holycow> morning? and what spatial dimension are YOU dialing in from pray tell?
[09:29] <holycow> *cough*
[09:29] <holycow> :)
[09:29] <headcloud> ziroday: thank you.  i'm booted in osx now so i will write down what you tell me and give it a try
[09:29] <bluebanana> holycow, morning equals anytime past 12 midnight. 8-)
[09:29] <bruenig> theory based questions are more fun than redirecting people to #ubuntu-effects and wireless
[09:29] <holycow> heh
[09:29] <levander> morning doesn't happen till you wake up
[09:29] <levander> anything before that is still night time
[09:29] <BelialMkII> thanks timfrost, was what i was after, was just away to set up symlinks etc and figured there would be an easier way
[09:29] <bruenig> I just woke up
[09:30] <levander> then it's morning for you bruenig, but night for me
[09:30] <bruenig> awesome
[09:30] <ziroday> headcloud: okay, boot into ubuntu, press ctrl alt f1
[09:30] <bruenig> it was morning for me at 11:50 p.m.
[09:30] <bluebanana> another question: I'm currenty not running any of the fancy compiz beryl stuff, but I have restricted drivers manager on. When ubuntu 7.10 comes, will it automaticaly "switch open" the advanced desktop stuff, which i hear is the default stetting on 7.10. thanks!
[09:30] <headcloud> ziroday: ok
[09:30] <levander> bruenig: you need to work on your sleeping habits
[09:30] <jlund> bluebanana: You're welcome. I really hope that you enjoy Linux and Ubuntu and stick with it through all of the questions. It is a fun learning process.
[09:30] <bruenig> I had a terrible headache, so i went to sleep at like 4 to sleep it off
[09:31] <bluebanana> (I have restricted drivers on for running google earth)
[09:31] <bluebanana> jlund, i don't see myself every going back to windows.
[09:31] <holycow> bluebanana, remember a couple of things as well
[09:31] <bluebanana> Ubuntu is my first. and it may well be my last OS / distro. 8-)
[09:31] <holycow> - linux isn't about marketshare or dollars, its about freedom.  freedom to own your own system, freedom to modify it and freedom from outside control and constraints
[09:32] <levander> bluebanana: I'd just wait and worry about it when the new release comes out.  They maybe haven't even decided what they are going to do yet.  Or, maybe they will change their mind anyway.
[09:32] <holycow> - once you get freedom, you will NEVER go back into your cage
[09:32] <headcloud> ziroday: what do i do next?
[09:32] <kazim59> bluebanana: thats not a good habit... keep changing distros ... like you change clothes
[09:32] <bruenig> bluebanana, don't be too sure on that, I thought that, there are many more distros out there
[09:32] <bluebanana> holycow, i like the $0 cost, too. 8-)
[09:32] <ziroday> headcloud: then input your username and password, next "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf", go to devices and under driver type in ati. then restart xorg with ctrl alt bkspace
[09:32] <levander> Yeah, but if Canonical doesn't make money eventually, there won't be an Ubuntu.
[09:32] <bluebanana> is kazim59 joking me?
[09:32] <holycow> - lik ein the matrix, you will never be able to tell anyone about freedom however, as they will look at you strangely as if you are crazy
[09:32] <holycow> :)
[09:33] <ziroday> headcloud: if that dosnt work repeat except type radeon instead, restart xorg, if that dosnt work than type in vesa then restart xorg
[09:33] <kazim59> bluebanana: not at all.... but do try at least 7-8 free distros before you land on your choice
[09:33] <bruenig> bluebanana, once you get really comfortable with command line and whatnot, it is not a bad idea to go on a distro rampage and install 1 a week or so
[09:33] <ziroday> headcloud: understood?
[09:33] <bluebanana> are you guys joking me?
[09:33] <headcloud> ziroday: yes.
[09:33] <lancerdragoo1> Hi, I'm having a problem with my Ubuntu installation, I keep getting a blank screen right before the LiveCD starts. I'm wondering if it's because of my NVIDIA 6600LE graphics card.
[09:33] <holycow> bluebanana, no
[09:33] <levander> It is wierd that most of the software I'm running right now was done largely just by people doing stuff in there spare time.  I guess there were several research grants and stuff like that in there.  Firefox has started making money...
[09:33] <holycow> go out there and try all distros
[09:33] <bluebanana> why try other distros if i'm happy with ubuntu
[09:34] <holycow> its an infinite buffet
[09:34] <bruenig> bluebanana, no I have used I believe 12 or 13 different distros, it is good to see what is out there ubuntu has its flaws
[09:34] <kazim59> bluebanana: not at all!
[09:34] <Flannel> bluebanana: no.  It's good to knwo whats out there. Just because you picked up something first, doesn't mean it's best/right for you
[09:34] <holycow> bluebanana, to gain knowledge
[09:34] <headcloud> ziroday: just wondering why 6.06 recognizes my video card fine, but 6.10 and 7.0.4 don't?
[09:34] <ziroday> headcloud: then youre good to go, if none of that works try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-sorg
[09:34] <levander> lancerdragoo1: that's my guess too - graphics card - no, I don't know how to fix it
[09:34] <bluebanana> but Ubuntu is number 1. why try any thing less?
[09:34] <kazim59> bluebanana: there are other distros with $0 tag too... you can try them too.
[09:34] <bruenig> bluebanana, windows is number 1
[09:34] <ziroday> headcloud: new drivers
[09:34] <hylje> levander: development can be fun, too.
[09:34] <bluebanana> holycow, i have enough "homework" to do just sticking with ubuntu.
[09:34] <holycow> bluebanana, #1 for who?
[09:34] <kazim59> bruenig: where can i download iso for windows?
[09:34] <bluebanana> bruenig, bug number 1?
[09:34] <holycow> bluebanana, your redmond stripes really show through bro
[09:34] <vladuz976> i have ubuntu running on my laptop, I wanna create a slideshow for  trade show next week and hook it up to a projector. Anybody know whats good software to create slideshows?
[09:34] <hylje> bruenig: depends on the metric
[09:34] <holycow> bluebanana, you do know NOT everyone is the same right?
[09:34] <Flannel> bluebanana: Ubuntu isn't number 1, Theyre all different.  You don't have the same needs as some random guy down the street.  Whats good for him might not be good for you, etc, etc, etc.
[09:34] <levander> bluebanana: Just pick an interest and study that.  You don't have to study the different distros if that's not your interest.  Ubuntu is more than good enough if you have another interest.
[09:34] <ziroday> headcloud: sorry its sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:34] <lancerdragoo1> levander: I see. I wonder how I can install the NVIDIA drivers if I can't set up the core install...
[09:34] <bruenig> kazim59, missed the point, reread until you figure it out
[09:35] <holycow> some people like smooth peanut butter some like crunchy right?
[09:35] <bluebanana> holycow, the rankings show... i 4get where i saw. LinuxDistros.com perhaps?
[09:35] <headcloud> ziroday: thanks a lot!  i'll give it a try and hope for the best.  peace :)
[09:35] <holycow> why would ubuntu be able to satisfy everyone?
[09:35] <holycow> bluebanana, why do you care about rankings?
[09:35] <bruenig> bluebanana, distrowatch.org
[09:35] <jlund> vladuz976: OpenOffice.org Presentation works well
[09:35] <holycow> why would you care what others are using?
[09:35] <bluebanana> bruenig, that's it
[09:35] <bruenig> bluebanana, but that is not a ranking, that is how many hits the page gets per day
[09:35] <levander> lancerdragoo1: good question, wish I could help, maybe post something on ubuntuforums is nobody helps here?
[09:35] <ziroday> headcloud: good luck
[09:35] <ComunisTico> i got a question bout open office
[09:35] <headcloud> ziroday: thanks
[09:35] <bluebanana> holycow, i don't really. but ubuntu is made for human beings like me who is not technically astute
[09:35] <holycow> displace the ms mantra of 'follow the heard' and instead 'follow your own path' brotha
[09:35] <lancerdragoo1> levander: Thanks, I'll try it there.
[09:36] <ComunisTico> is there a way to make it less heavy on the cpu... cause almost everytime i run it it crashes
[09:36] <ziroday> ComunisTico: #openoffice.org
[09:36] <ComunisTico> ok thnks
[09:36] <holycow> up to you bro, your path to choose
[09:36] <texta> I need some help. my keyboard keeps locking up when it reaches GDM.
[09:36] <kazim59> bluebanana: well for me, I tried about 6 distros.... and finally I loved two of them most.... Debian (oh!) and Ubuntu
[09:36] <vladuz976> jlund: oh really? does it let me input music as well? and what about exporting it as a movie so I can play it on one of the TV's as well?
[09:36] <levander> bluebanana: What is your interest in Ubuntu if your not "technically astute"?  Are you trying to become technically astute?  Is there another motivation?
[09:36] <bluebanana> holycow, maybe i'll play with other distros in the future, but for now, there's enough to learn in just one distro, ubuntu.
[09:36] <Sonicadvance1> Moving away from DRM?
[09:36] <holycow> bluebanana, thats pretty much what everyone meant
[09:36] <Sonicadvance1> :D
[09:36] <bruenig> bluebanana, right which is why I said to get your feet, figure out what you are doing, feel comfortable in the shell and then if you can explore other distros, but whatever ultimately up to you if your biggest issue was price and you don't really care about getting the best maximum experience you just want something that is solid and good and free, then don't
[09:37] <levander> bluebanana: Good thinking, don't worry about other distros unless you have a reason too.
[09:37] <bruenig> my motivations to leave windows was not completely financially based so that is why I tended to move along to other distros as well
[09:37] <bruenig> s/was/were/
[09:37] <bluebanana> levander, i switched to ubuntu/linux because i was abroad and the computer i bought didn't have English Windows. That was one reason that motivated me to put the ubuntu disc into the drive
[09:37] <texta> My PS2 keyboard just freezes on the login window and i cant press anything the mouse works and i can click etc.
[09:37] <holycow> my leaving windows was PURELY based when i found out about freedom
[09:37] <holycow> cost really wasn't an issue at all
[09:37] <bluebanana> plus, why pay for Windows when you can get Ubuntu for free (as in free house and lot)
[09:37] <kazim59> bluebanana: its good you are learning it... someday you'll be here supporting ppl with their problems.. best  o'luck!
[09:38] <kazim59> bluebanana: don't say that to windows users.
[09:38] <levander> bluebanana: Interesting.  People are now using Linux for reasons other than stuff like the web server, the development tools, techie stuff.  You were just in another country and needed an OS...
[09:38] <bluebanana> levander, but i'm back home and am still using Ubuntu. yahoo
[09:39] <levander> bluebanana: Do you have any interest in adminning or developing for computers?
[09:39] <texta> anyone help?
[09:39] <bluebanana> levander, no.
[09:39] <kazim59> bluebanana: good response.... the bug #1 is getting fixed.
[09:39] <levander> bluebanana: I'm just wierded out by it because you're the first non-technical person I've talked to who wants to use Linux.
[09:39] <bluebanana> adminning here on IRC, levander ? Sure
[09:39] <Sonicadvance1> texta, have you tried restarting?
[09:39] <levander> bluebanana: You didn't think that Windows was easier to use?
[09:39] <jlund> bluebanana: That is really cool. I like that you are a regular user.
[09:39] <texta> yes
[09:39] <bruenig> bug #1 won't be fixed for at least 10-15 years and even then I think it might get replaced by another bug #1 which will be mac or another proprietary OS
[09:39] <kinection> is it possible to open the gui file browser from the console at the current working directory?
[09:39] <Sonicadvance1> NO idea
[09:39] <bluebanana> levander, I'll give you my autograph later. 8-)
[09:39] <texta> Sonicadvance1, thnx anyway
[09:40] <Sonicadvance1> I replaced a friends computer's OS with Ubuntu
[09:40] <kazim59> bruenig: do you know the reason?
[09:40] <Sonicadvance1> so 5 people are now using Ubuntu instead of Windows
[09:40] <levander> bluebanana: It's not that kinda wierded out.  It's more like some orange colored guy just walked in the room, and I'm wondering why he's orange...
[09:40] <bluebanana> levander, it was... i had a HARD time with Ubuntu, I must admit. Spent hours getting my PDA to sync...
[09:40] <bluebanana> levander, i c
[09:40] <bruenig> kazim59, it is entrenched
[09:40] <matt__> levander: I've given non tech people linux
[09:40] <kazim59> kinection: yes... type nautlilus . (if using gnome)
[09:40] <texta> IS there something i could do in the BIOS to prevent the keyboard from locking up
[09:40] <levander> bluebanana: Hours getting PDA to sync is not usual behavior for non-technical person.  YOu may be more of a computer geek than you realize.
[09:40] <kinection> kazim59: and nautilus will open up with the current workig directory? no need to pass args?
[09:40] <bluebanana> Linux (at least Ubuntu) is as point-and-click easy as Windows
[09:41] <kazim59> bruenig: I think different...   YOu should write an article about your end user experiences with Linux...  The whole didn't have a choice thing, that isn't usual in the Linux world.
[09:42] <kazim59> bruenig: but people have got a mindset that an OS must be tooo easy to use... something that's not worth learngin
[09:42] <holycow> normall we get regular windows users shy away from choice ... a strange phenomenon
[09:42] <bluebanana> levander, my problem is not with point-and-click.
[09:42] <Pucpuc> i need help with ubuntu after the installation if anyone can help me
[09:42] <kazim59> s/learngin/learning
[09:42] <levander> Pucpuc: just ask
[09:43] <levander> bluebanana: the problem is the command line?
[09:43] <bluebanana> levander, do you want to interview me? I'm free tomorrow at 5pm for an interview. 8-)
[09:43] <bruenig> kazim59, perhaps, people learn how to use windows though, it just depends on what you are brought up
[09:43] <Pucpuc> ok well, after i install ubuntu, it goes through teh standard thing as remove the cd after installing so it boots into the grub menu to pick between windows or ubuntu
[09:43] <Pucpuc> problem is there is no grub menu
[09:43] <Pucpuc> what i have done is reinstalled grub
[09:43] <dominicus> anyone way to find out what packages have been recently installed?
[09:43] <chee> hey, guys!
[09:43] <Pucpuc> and yet nothing shows up
[09:43] <levander> bluebanana: yech, maybe, msg me your email, i may put something up on my blog, let me think about it if I have any good questions when i go walking, see if i have anything good to ask
[09:43] <kazim59> bruenig: I am an engineering student... computer science... and I have converted more than 10-20 of my classmates to ubuntu.. lol (from windows)
[09:44] <ubuntu__> I'm having some really weird CPU usage problems on my machine.  Twice since upgrading from 6.10 to 7.04, things have started freezing up.  When I checked 'top', init's CPU usage was over 90% and I had X applications running that I thought had crashed - even though I Ctrl-Alt-Backspace'd X.  Rebooting did no good as it just ignored shutdown and Ctrl-Alt-Delete, I had to hit the power switch.  Any ideas?
[09:44] <holycow> kazim59, wow!
[09:44] <levander> kazim59: They are also comp sci students?
[09:44] <holycow> coolness
[09:44] <bruenig> kazim59, it takes quite a while to take completely new user to understanding how to install something on windows, I would actually argue that installing stuff on linux for a person who has never been a computer user would be easier to explain than on windows
[09:44] <Helifornets> So... many... people.
[09:44] <bruenig> at least for binary distros
[09:44] <holycow> bruenig, i can qualify that as true
[09:44] <kazim59> bruenig: and that was simple... they were very sad about viruses... i suggested linux
[09:44] <_nnx_> Sorry about the 'ubuntu__' crud... I'm running off of  a LiveCD right now.
[09:44] <neophyte667> Hello all.  Anybody want to help this idiot understand why he has to press these characters twice on his keyboard?:  ~``
[09:45] <bluebanana> Helifornets, not a lot of ppl. just a few of us who are talkative, er, type-ative.
[09:45] <_nnx_> But, yes, odd lockups and init behavior since I upgraded from Edgy to Feisty.
[09:45] <kazim59> levander: yes
[09:45] <Pucpuc> rsad
[09:45] <insomniac190> can anyone recommend a feisty compatible usb optical mouse?  i want t get one for my laptop.
[09:45] <Helifornets> Well, I was planning on coming in here and yelling. But.. uhm.. too many people and what not.
[09:45] <dominicus> anyone way to find out what packages have been recently installed?
[09:45] <insomniac190> With side buttons if possible
[09:45] <holycow> insomniac190, anything by logitech under $20
[09:45] <bruenig> I shalll be taking comp sci soon in uni hopefully, but only as a minor I wonder how many *nix users there will be
[09:45] <_nnx_> bruenig: Depends on the school, a LOT.
[09:45] <bluebanana> People in my life think that I'm now a techie person, just because I use linux.
[09:45] <bluebanana> 8-(
[09:46] <holycow> well, you are
[09:46] <holycow> relative to them
[09:46] <holycow> your actually more technical than you think as someone said above
[09:46] <_nnx_> bruenig: I've been to two schools.  One had almost ALL Linux users (it was very technical), the other had a moderate number, most of the upper division folks at least knew it.
[09:46] <kazim59> levander: then our teacher for the course 'Operating Systems' asked us to write  multi-threaded programs... and gcc was the best option to go... again they had to use linux... lol
[09:46] <holycow> your questions are indepth and your perseverence are key qualities of a techie
[09:46] <train> is anyone using GAIM or Pidgin to go on a silc network?
[09:46] <_nnx_> kazim59: That's very true.  Most OS courses end up using Unix of some kind, usually Linux.
[09:47] <bruenig> _nnx_, a lot of the top tier schools mandate it
[09:47] <moustafa> I have a problem , Can no body help me ? How can I open a chat voice for yahoo or hotmail by using ubuntu?
[09:47] <bruenig> from what I have read at least
[09:47] <kazim59> Linux is heavenly for students... you get the entire source code to learn !!
[09:47] <bruenig> moustafa, gaim
[09:47] <moustafa> yes
[09:47] <passbe> does port 5900 have to be open within the linux firewall (remote desktop) if you are port forwarding that same port through ssh to connect to ?
[09:47] <moustafa> Is that supply voice?
[09:47] <kazim59> bruenig: gaim got voice chat?
[09:47] <Axiam> gogog
[09:48] <bruenig> kazim59, don't know
[09:48] <bruenig> probably not
[09:48] <Agrajag_> passbe: no
[09:48] <Axiam> hola
[09:48] <Axiam> alguien de habla hispana ?
[09:48] <moustafa> mmm
[09:48] <passbe> Agrajag_, thx dude
[09:48] <bruenig> !es
[09:48] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[09:48] <Agrajag_> !es
[09:48] <kazim59> bruenig: no it doesn't... i m using it (pidgin)
[09:48] <bruenig> why did you ask
[09:48] <moustafa> I need any program for yahoo or hotmail supply voice chat
[09:48] <bruenig> testing me
[09:48] <Axiam> ok
[09:49] <kazim59> bruenig: nope.. .i thought the feature may be somewhere deep inside it... i really need something that allows voice chat
[09:49] <kazim59> bruenig: so far ... i found only skype!
[09:49] <Axiam> #ubuntu-es
[09:49] <train> anyone know how I can connect to a silc network/
[09:49] <raddy> Hello Everybody
[09:49] <Axiam> como cambio de sala
[09:49] <bruenig> kazim59, haven't much need for it
[09:49] <bruenig> Axiam, /join #ubuntu-es
[09:49] <raddy> Can anyone compile me kernel module?
[09:50] <raddy> please
[09:50] <makaira> I've installed and un-installed, and then re-installed libiw-dev and still xsupplicant is telling me that I don't have the iwlib.h file. Anybody know what's going on?
[09:50] <bruenig> makaira, sudo updatedb && locate iwlib.h
[09:50] <raddy> cos i can't compile it myself because lack of internet access
[09:50] <bruenig> raddy, that doesn't make sense
[09:51] <bruenig> raddy, you are on the internet now
[09:51] <RememberPOL> moustafa: http://messenger.yahoo.com/unix.php
[09:51] <kazim59> the connection might be slow
[09:51] <moustafa> Thanks alot
[09:51] <moustafa> Thank you man
[09:51] <bruenig> that yahoo messenger is awful
[09:51] <raddy> bruenig: hey, it is from vista, i want ethernet driver
[09:51] <makaira> bruenig, it doesn't seem to be doing anything. just a blinking cursor on the line after the command.
[09:51] <Beriant> core2duo,i re installed with the older graph card,but the monitor is still saying out of range right after the loading screen for ubuntu is almost done
[09:51] <kazim59> bruenig: awful? why?
[09:51] <bruenig> makaira, right so it isn't installed
[09:52] <makaira> bruenig, nevermind
[09:52] <bruenig> !find iwlib.h
[09:52] <ubotu> File iwlib.h found in libiw-dev
[09:52] <makaira> bruenig, found it. /usr/include/iwlib.h
[09:52] <bruenig> makaira, ok, so it might be an issue with xsupplicant then
[09:52] <raddy> if someone build me that kernel module, i can then manage ubuntu,
[09:53] <Beriant> does anyone know why my monitor is saying out of range  when i get to the ubuntu loading screen?
[09:53] <makaira> bruenig, is there any way to point xsupplicant in the right direction?
[09:53] <bruenig> makaira, not sure, I assume you are compiling, see if there is anything in the README or INSTALL or ./configure --help
[09:53] <bruenig> makaira, I can't imagine it would be looking anywhere other than /usr/include
[09:54] <Beriant> does anyone know why my monitor is saying out of range  when i get to the ubuntu loading screen?
[09:55] <moustafa> ~$ dpkg -i ymessenger_1.0.4_1_i386.deb
[09:55] <moustafa> dpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege
[09:55] <bruenig> moustafa, sudo dpkg
[09:55] <moustafa> Thank you man
[09:55] <makaira> bruenig, any idea on how i would get rid of an old installation of xsupplicant if i had already successfully compiled and installed it?
[09:55] <bruenig> makaira, you would need to recompile it and then instead of make install do make uninstall
[09:55] <bruenig> makaira, or track down all the files and delete them
[09:56] <makaira> bruenig, thanks. i think i'll go with the first option :)
[09:56] <bruenig> makaira, when I used to compile stuff, I would put the directory I compiled it in in /opt since that tends to be unused and then when I needed to uninstall just cd into it and make uninstall sort of a little impromptu package management setup
[09:57] <holycow> thats a pretty good idea
[09:57] <makaira> bruenig, thanks.
[09:57] <holycow> bruenig, like you however, i now use the term 'when i used to compile'
[09:57] <holycow> hehe ;)
[09:58] <holycow> nothing quite like having 18 000 apps precompiled and tested for ya
[09:58] <raddy> can anybody compile me a kernel module?
[09:58] <bruenig> holycow, well I still compile but on arch, they make it where packaging is so easy that if you are going to compile something, it might take you 2 more minutes to package it
[09:58] <Twinxorr> raddy, that's kinda machine-specific
[09:58] <bruenig> so I just make the package, then install it via package management and upload it to the user repository for others who might want it
[09:58] <holycow> how different is it than debian? packaging debs is simple too
[09:59] <Twinxorr> what module are you looking for, raddy
[10:00] <Twinxorr> the most useful ones are included already
[10:00] <Pucpuc> can someone tell me why there is no grub loader, at start up?
[10:00] <Pucpuc> after installing it too
[10:00] <moustafa> I need help please
[10:00] <Bob_le_Pointu> Check /boot/grub/menu.lst Pucpuc.
[10:00] <Twinxorr> !help
[10:00] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[10:00] <moustafa> I using ubuntu 7.4
[10:00] <moustafa> which yahoo version i must install?
[10:00] <bruenig> holycow, this is one I customized for xchat because the binary they had didn't have spell check enabled, you literally drop this into an empty directory and type "makepkg" and it downloads compiles does all of that good stuff, sets up dependency files and whatnot and then creates a pkg.tar.gz which is the .deb of arch http://pastebin.ca/599559
[10:01] <Twinxorr> yahoo is a website, moustafa
[10:01] <Twinxorr> you don't need to install it
[10:01] <holycow> bruenig, we should do that for debian
[10:01] <holycow> it wouldn't be too hard to add those features, not that far away either
[10:02] <bruenig> holycow, I have setup something similar to this for zenwalk already, ubuntu is really ridiculous when it comes to packaging and such I tried to get on as a packager but there was too much red tape
[10:02] <moustafa> rh7.ymessenger-1.0.4-1.i386.rpm? or ymessenger_1.0.4_1_i386.deb?
[10:02] <makaira> !find wireless.h
[10:02] <ubotu> File wireless.h found in libiw-dev, libklibc-dev, liboobs-1-dev, libuclibc-dev, linux-headers-2.6.20-15 (and 10 others)
[10:02] <owh> How do I force grep to provide output if a pattern is not found? (I'm *not* talking about grep -v, which outputs all the lines that do not match.) Another way to look at is is: How do I find a pattern that does not exist in a group of files?
[10:03] <bruenig> owh, if you are doing it in a script, I would just do if [ ! "$(grep string file) ]
[10:03] <bruenig> owh, if you are doing it in a script, I would just do if [ ! "$(grep string file)" ]
[10:04] <bruenig> missed the "
[10:04] <owh> bruenig, hmm, that's a novel approach.
[10:04] <owh> bruenig, I can work with that, thanks!
[10:04] <bruenig> I script far more than is healthy
[10:04] <owh> :)
[10:05] <Twinxorr> moustafa, Ubuntu uses debs, not RPMs
[10:05] <Pucpuc> oh one more question, i have 3 hdds, 1 sata and 2 IDE, ubuntu only detects my sata, and 1 of my IDE hdd, why doesnt it scan the 2nd IDE Drive/
[10:05] <moustafa> ok
[10:06] <moustafa> but there is an error
[10:06] <xenyxtis> anyone knows how to restore my system with my previous settings??
[10:06] <Twinxorr> but a .deb is no guarantee that it'll work with your version of Ubuntu
[10:06] <moustafa> Unpacking replacement ymessenger ...
[10:06] <moustafa> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of ymessenger:
[10:06] <moustafa>  ymessenger depends on libgdk-pixbuf2 (>= 0.13.0); however:
[10:06] <moustafa>   Package libgdk-pixbuf2 is not installed.
[10:06] <moustafa>  ymessenger depends on libssl0.9.6; however:
[10:06] <moustafa>   Package libssl0.9.6 is not installed.
[10:06] <Twinxorr> I'd just try to get Gaim working with yahoo
[10:06] <bruenig> xenyxtis, do you have your settings saved somewhere
[10:06] <moustafa>  ymessenger depends on xlibs (>> 3.3.6); however:
[10:06] <moustafa>   Package xlibs is not installed.
[10:06] <moustafa> dpkg: error processing ymessenger (--install):
[10:06] <moustafa>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[10:06] <moustafa> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:06] <xenyxtis> no i dont think so
[10:06] <bruenig> !paste
[10:06] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:06] <moustafa>  ymessenger
[10:06] <moustafa> sorry
[10:06] <bruenig> xenyxtis, well no
[10:06] <xenyxtis> i have problems with Cedega and WOW
[10:06] <bruenig> moustafa, sudo apt-get install -f
[10:06] <makaira> bruenig, this is quite rediculous. i went and found the older version of xsupplicant so i could remove it, and now when i try to configure it it's telling me that /linux/wireless.h isn't there, even though it is.
[10:06] <xenyxtis> and this happened today
[10:07] <bruenig> makaira, don't know
[10:07] <makaira> bruenig, and at one point in time, it obviously located it correctly because i have it installed right now.
[10:07] <xenyxtis> i just uninstall from the synaptic some games
[10:07] <xenyxtis> and then wow couldnt be executed
[10:08] <Ayabara> anyone got a tip for a good gui-based diff program that I can use with subversion?
[10:08] <moustafa> sorry  , butmoustafa@moustafa-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install -f ymessenger_1.0.4_1_i386.debReading package lists... Done
[10:08] <moustafa> Building dependency tree
[10:08] <moustafa> Reading state information... Done
[10:08] <moustafa> E: Couldn't find package ymessenger_1.0.4_1_i386.deb
[10:08] <bruenig> gui diff
[10:08] <bruenig> hmmm
[10:09] <bruenig> moustafa, did you delete ymessenger or something
[10:09] <cafuego> No, moustafa didn't run 'dpkg -i'
[10:09] <bruenig> he must have, he pasted about 20 lines with dpkg errors
[10:09] <moustafa> ok
[10:09] <moustafa> no i never do it before
[10:09] <cafuego> moustafa: sudo dpkg -i ymessenger_1.0.4_1_i386.deb
[10:10] <moustafa> Thank you very much
[10:10] <cafuego> moustafa: then 'sudo apt-get -f install'
[10:10] <cafuego> NOTHING BEHIND THE LAST LINE!
 dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of ymessenger:
[10:10] <bruenig> I think he already did that
[10:10] <cafuego> bruenig: He didn't run the -f install properly, but added the .deb filename as param.
[10:10] <bruenig> oh
[10:11] <bruenig> that was on the next line on my screen
[10:11] <moustafa> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:11] <bruenig> oh no
[10:11] <moustafa> bad luck
[10:11] <cafuego> moustafa: stop pasting errors please
[10:11] <bruenig> moustafa, just run the sudo apt-get install -f
[10:11] <bruenig> by itself
[10:11] <cafuego> moustafa: just run 'sudo apt-get install -f'
[10:11] <moustafa> ok
[10:11] <cafuego> moustafa: just that, not other parameters.
[10:11] <moustafa> I will
[10:12] <moustafa> it's ok
[10:12] <moustafa> it's done
[10:12] <moustafa> Thanks alot
[10:12] <bruenig> have fun with the abomination that is linux yahoo messenger
[10:12] <dawn_> is ymessenger better to use than gaim or kopete?
[10:13] <bruenig> no it is terrible
[10:13] <dawn_> so gaim's better?
[10:13] <bruenig> yes
[10:13] <bruenig> ymessenger is like  yahoo messenger from 5 years ago
[10:13] <dawn_> i have a problem with kopete.. when i use it, almost all my buddies are not in the list. almost everyone's gone.
[10:14] <dawn_> did anybody experience this? ^
[10:15] <MIYP> can anyone please help me with installing wireless drivers with ndiswrapper
[10:15] <bruenig> !wifi
[10:15] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:15] <MIYP> i've followed those guides
[10:16] <MIYP> i've had it working before but since i've reinstalled ubuntu again its not working
[10:16] <cursor> hey
[10:19] <moustafa> there is no yahoo icon to open it
[10:19] <protospork> is there anybody here who could tell me why I can't get ndiswrapper to work?
[10:19] <bruenig> moustafa, dpkg -L ymessenger | grep /usr/bin
[10:19] <bruenig> moustafa, paste the output
[10:20] <moustafa> nothing
[10:20] <bruenig> moustafa, I doubt ymessenger has talk anyways because it is so old
[10:20] <MIYP> protospork its not working for me either
[10:20] <moustafa> mmm
[10:21] <protospork> i've installed it correctly, so far as I can tell, it just wont recognize my wifi adapter
[10:21] <cursor> what adapter are you using?
[10:21] <Stokesy> anyone know where i can change what the default applications for certain life types?
[10:22] <protospork> D-Link DWL-G132
[10:22] <bruenig> Stokesy, right click on the life, go to properties and change the open with
[10:22] <Stokesy> does that change it for all files of that type, or just that file
[10:22] <bruenig> Stokesy, all of the type
[10:22] <Stokesy> great, thanks :)
[10:22] <moustafa> what is the order to install any winrar file?
[10:23] <moustafa> sudo -i?
[10:23] <Slart> moustafa: install? or unpack?
[10:23] <moustafa> yes
[10:23] <moustafa> unpack
[10:23] <bruenig> !info unrar
[10:23] <ubotu> unrar: Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:3.7.3-1 (feisty), package size 94 kB, installed size 228 kB
[10:23] <moustafa> Thank you Man
[10:23] <Slart> moustafa: file-roller handles rar files.. and I think there is a unrar application installed by default
[10:24] <cursor> im having trouble with my sound card , onboard sound is fine just need midi
[10:24] <bruenig> unrar is not installed by default
[10:24] <bruenig> unless there is some free version that is
[10:24] <bruenig> !info unrar-free
[10:24] <ubotu> unrar-free: Unarchiver for .rar files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.0.1+cvs20060609-1 (feisty), package size 17 kB, installed size 80 kB
[10:24] <bruenig> yeah that is not installed either
[10:24] <moustafa> because this file on mt ubuntu 7.4 desktop
[10:24] <moustafa>  ymessenger_1.0.4_1_i386.deb
[10:24] <moustafa> i was hopping to install it
[10:24] <moustafa> but
[10:24] <moustafa> stop wishes
[10:25] <Slart> optional.. well, I forget what got installed by default or two minutes later by user =)
[10:25] <Slart> moustafa: you tried to unrar that? I would try with "dpkg -i ymessenger_blablabla.deb"
[10:26] <Slart> or rather "sudo dpkg -i ymessengerblabla.deb"
[10:26] <bruenig> we already went through this
[10:26] <moustafa> nothing done
[10:26] <cursor> how can i find out what make my sound card is , Hardware information ?
[10:27] <bruenig> cursor, lshwd | grep Audio
[10:27] <moustafa> forget about that , i have a big problem , I have another pc , I installed ubuntu 7.4 but it's cannot read the lan card
[10:28] <bruenig> 7.04
[10:28] <moustafa> How can i do to install the lan card driver?
[10:28] <leagris> Anyone here have some experience in using DVD-RAM within Ubuntu?
[10:28] <moustafa> it's realtek
[10:28] <bruenig> !wifi | moustafa
[10:28] <ubotu> moustafa: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:29] <Asche_83m> Hello! I've got a heterogenous linux-home-network and i want to share files between the machines. what would be the tool of choice? samba? nfs? something else?
[10:29] <bruenig> Asche_83m, samba windows to linux, nfs linux to linux
[10:30] <Slart> Asche_83m: I use sshfs between my two linux-machines
[10:30] <Slart> Asche_83m: can't say if it's better than those other options.. but it works
[10:30] <bruenig> sshfs is only necessary if it isn't local right
[10:30] <Slart> I don't know if it's necessary.. but it was pretty easy to setup
[10:30] <bruenig> i've only one computer so I have never done much in that area
[10:31] <linux_probe> would be rather pointless to use encrypted connection over your own lan
[10:31] <Slart> esp. since I already had ssh setup for remote management
[10:31] <Asche_83m> so i am going for nfs then, right?
[10:31] <linux_probe> if you have windows machines on the network use samba
[10:31] <holycow> well it really doesn't matter
[10:31] <Asche_83m> i haven't
[10:31] <bruenig> can you use samba for linux to linux?
[10:31] <Slart> sure you can
[10:31] <bruenig> if no windows, then nfs yes
[10:31] <holycow> you can mount pretty much any fs as a network fs
[10:31] <linux_probe> yes samba will work to anything
[10:31] <holycow> you could use ftp even
[10:32] <Asche_83m> thank you!
[10:32] <linux_probe> NFS is likely the fastest for an linux only setting
[10:32] <holycow> true
[10:33] <ubuntu__> hola
[10:33] <holycow> hellow
[10:33] <Antroxxxx> como estan????
[10:34] <Slart> bara bra hr.. lite regnigt ute.. sjlv?
[10:34] <Slart> or perhaps we should do this in english? =)
[10:34] <Myrtti> yes.
[10:35] <Antroxxxx> in spanish?
[10:35] <Slart> !esp
[10:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about esp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:35] <Myrtti> !english
[10:35] <Antroxxxx> alguien por aky ke hable espaol???
[10:35] <ubotu> The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are English only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[10:35] <Slart> !sp
[10:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:35] <Myrtti> !es | Antroxxxx
[10:35] <Antroxxxx> xD
[10:35] <Antroxxxx> ok
[10:35] <Slart> bah.. es =)
[10:35] <yeniklasor> After upgrade edgy to feisty, ubuntu didn't promp me to for a update. Update manager says "your system is up-to-date" What is the wrong guys?
[10:36] <hylje> yeniklasor: your system is up to date
[10:36] <Slart> yeniklasor: if you just updated to feisty perhaps there aren't any more updates to install?
[10:36] <yeniklasor> No I upgraded it when it first released (april I think)
[10:36] <troopperi_> newer version is beta testing right now
[10:36] <troopperi_> is not stable
[10:37] <Slart> yeniklasor: hmm.. come to think of it.. haven't seen many updates to feisty either.. perhaps this is perfection..no more bugs? ;)
[10:39] <cursor> Hi , i have a sound card installed and ubuntu recorgnises it however ubuntu still uses my onboard sound instead and sound card isnt used , how can i change this?
[10:39] <troopperi_> cursor: change it to alsa?
[10:41] <linux_probe> good step would be disable integrated sound in the BIOS
[10:42] <DaveTarmac> morning folks
[10:45] <froojnd> hello there
[10:46] <froojnd> I have a little problem with screen
[10:46] <froojnd> when I start irssi with it, like that: screen irssi
[10:46] <froojnd> and when I wanna go back to do other work nothig happens if I press control + a
[10:47] <froojnd> how can I switch screens with screen ?
[10:47] <`xedos> #join #i.need.et
[10:47] <DarthShrine> froojnd, ctrl-a, a
[10:47] <CarinArr> hey, i'm having problems with nvidia drivers on my laptop. It has a geforce go 7600 card in it, and when i try to use nvidia-glx-new the xserver crashes saying screens were found but with no usable configuration.. any ideas?
[10:47] <DarthShrine> Err, Ctrl-a, ctrl-a
[10:47] <jonbauer> CarinArr, I just installed the 7600
[10:48] <CarinArr> froojnd: er.. if you want to switch with ctrl+a the applications need to be in the same screen
[10:48] <jonbauer> i'm a total noob, but this is what helped me: http://albertomilone.com/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=Main.Envy-InstructionsForUbuntu
[10:48] <jonbauer> http://discoverx.wordpress.com/2007/03/12/a-fast-way-to-install-ati-and-nvidia-drivers-in-ubuntu/
[10:49] <CarinArr> froojnd: i.e. start a screen with "screen", in the terminal window that comes up start whatever you want in there.. i.e. "irssi", if you want another window do ctrl+a c, etc
[10:49] <Jordan_U> jonbauer, System -> Administration -> Restricted Driver Manager is better than envy
[10:49] <CarinArr> Jordan_U: i use kubuntu
[10:49] <jonbauer> Jordan_U, ok
[10:49] <jonbauer> Jordan_U, (this is my first day with Ubuntu :) ), thanks for the tip
[10:49] <CarinArr> but surely the restricted driver manager doesn't do the same thing as envy
[10:50] <jonbauer> my main menus have dissappeared
[10:50] <protospork> could somebody please help me? I'd really rather not pull another all-nighter trying to make this work
[10:50] <CarinArr> i was going to use envy, i have in the past, but i just wanted to figure out why nvidia-glx-new doesn't work
[10:50] <jonbauer> is there a way i can unhide Applications, Places and System ?
[10:50] <mahrellon> Hey everyone. I have a quick question. Are there any programs, preferably in .deb format and easy to install, that will let me make a bootable recovery CD out of my Ubuntu installation? Everything's working fine now so I really wanna keep a backup of it. =)
[10:51] <CarinArr> protospork: what's not working
[10:51] <froojnd> CarinArr: if I start screen it only writes:  [10:52]  []  [1]
[10:51] <protospork> i've installed ndiswrapper and the drivers for my wifi adapter, but the device still isn't recognized and now ndisgtk doesn't even stay open
[10:51] <froojnd> and: [(status)]
[10:51] <Jordan_U> CarinArr, No, it installs more up to date drivers but since they are from nvidia.com and not a package they will break whenever there is a kernel upgrade, and if you needed envy in the first place you won't know what to do when that happens
[10:52] <linux_probe> if you type screen --help   or  man screen it will give you lots to read and learn
[10:52] <CarinArr> Jordan_U: and does this owrk on kubuntu too?
[10:53] <Jordan_U> CarinArr, Yes, I am not sure where in the menu's it is though, for KDE stuff ask in #kubuntu
[10:54] <masus> anyone now where the command ltspcfg on ubuntu 7.04 is
[10:54] <masus> :)
[10:54] <CarinArr> Jordan_U: right, follow up question then, restricted manager doesn't list anything to do with nvidia, supposedly because i have to disable it to actually get X running
[10:54] <CarinArr> so how is restricted-manager goign to help me install nvidia drivers;)
[10:55] <CarinArr> froojnd: if you're in a terminal and start a screen just using "screen" it should print out a little information screen, and if you press enter it should take you to a terminal window
[10:56] <froojnd> CarinArr: TNX!!!
[10:57] <jonbauer> grr, i don't know where my main menus went
[10:57] <Jordan_U> CarinArr, I have no idea why it isn't showing you an option of installing nvidia drivers, do you have multiple GPUs? It may also be that it knows that the current Ubuntu version of the driver does not support your card and therefore won't try to install it, so it *may* work if you grab the drivers from nvidia.com.
[10:58] <CarinArr> Jordan_U: it's a bog standard 7600 go nvidia card
[10:58] <CarinArr> and i'm not using multiple gpu's
[10:58] <Jordan_U> CarinArr, Do you get any output when you run: sudo modprobe nvidia
[10:59] <valehru> Can anyone recommend a nice tool for ERD diagrams?
[10:59] <CarinArr> in the past i've had it working perfectly with the nvidia.com drivers, since i installed feisty the last time, if i install the nvidia drivers manually they don't work on reboot, unless i reinstall them
[11:00] <CarinArr> hmm modprobe says .../nvidia.ko no such file or directory
[11:00] <CarinArr> that's odd
[11:04] <ethemc> i don't understand why the documantation from linux is not clean enough , every where is writing a different thing
[11:04] <[ifr0g] > Hi..
[11:04] <Jordan_U> ethemc, What documentation are you looking at?
[11:04] <Jordan_U> !hi | [ifr0g]
[11:04] <ubotu> [ifr0g] : Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu!
[11:04] <ethemc> LTSP
[11:05] <ethemc> ubuntu
[11:05] <ethemc> with ltsp
[11:05] <Jordan_U> ethemc, What documentation? Man pages, the wiki, etc
[11:05] <[ifr0g] > I installed ubuntu dvd and it didt ask me for setting up and account at the text installation, now i am stuck at the login screen. WHy ??
[11:05] <[ifr0g] > Jordan_U, Hi, there :)
[11:06] <ethemc> its not important , what wiki or another . but the end point is that when i reda and do all the things what in the documantation is writing ,
[11:06] <Jordan_U> [ifr0g] , Did you do an OEM install accidentally ?
[11:06] <cursor> i have as sound card installed however its not used by ubuntu and onboard sound is
[11:06] <ethemc> that is working what , do
[11:06] <ethemc> i do
[11:06] <yeniklasor> on ubuntu is there built-in system restore program?
[11:06] <ethemc> i have test , xubuntu 6.x xubuntu 7.x , ubuntu 6.x ubuntu 7.x serevr
[11:07] <[ifr0g] > Jordan_U, huh, i choosed text install at the start.
[11:07] <ethemc> but nothing is working , and every where is writing another config
[11:07] <ethemc> i wan't a clean documantation thats all :(
[11:07] <predaeus> yeniklasor, do you mean a backup tool, or do you mean something that automatically backs all system files up in case you delete them?
[11:07] <ethemc> so that i can read and do step by step
[11:07] <Bassetts> are intel best for drivers, over nvidia then ati?
[11:08] <ethemc> because i'm  a newbie
[11:09] <Jordan_U> ethemc, The reason I am asking is to be sure that you don't think that blogs are documentation, as I really don't trust any advice from someone who is not willing to contribute to the official wiki
[11:09] <ethemc> i have do all what is writing here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=ltsp&titlesearch=Titles
[11:09] <Jordan_U> ( or other official documentation )
[11:09] <ethemc> but nothing
[11:10] <[ifr0g] > Jordan_U, then what is the user pass for the oem ? let me try
[11:10] <ethemc> can anybody give me the right way to install a clean and safe ubuntu with ltsp
[11:10] <doron> hi, how can I change my TTY to display more than 25 lines ?
[11:10] <Jordan_U> [ifr0g] , I don't know, but you can set it to whatever you want by starting in "recovery mode" from grub and running: passwd <username>
[11:11] <doron> like 80 on 120 maybe
[11:11] <[ifr0g] > Jordan_U, thanks will do that..
[11:11] <moosa> is there a way to recover archive passwords on linux?
[11:11] <linux_user400354> how can i get the original background from ubuntu 5.04
[11:12] <koudelka> how to change gateway on a networkinterface using ifconfig? if that is possible
[11:12] <Jordan_U> doron, run: sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
[11:13] <ethemc> sudo ifconfig eth0 192.168.x.x netmask 255.x.x.x
[11:13] <ethemc> broadcast 192.168.0.x
[11:13] <ikon> i need help with my sound
[11:13] <Lorne_Kun|Laptop> Help, the update to restricted drivers (for madwifi) broke my conection :P
[11:14] <raddy> Hello Everybody
[11:14] <moosa> is there a way to recover lost archive passwords on ubuntu?
[11:14] <raddy> How do i increase the display resolution of fglrx driver enable 3d support
[11:15] <Jordan_U> raddy, What version of Ubuntu are you running?
[11:16] <doron> Jordan_U, that doesnt change the TTY lines count :(
[11:16] <Np> hi all
[11:17] <Jordan_U> raddy, What version of Ubuntu are you running?
[11:17] <DaveTarmac> how do I get apps to start automatically when I logon?
[11:18] <ikon> help
[11:18] <Jordan_U> doron, Changing the font size should
[11:18] <koudelka> ethemc how about the gateway?
[11:18] <bionoid> DaveTarmac: system - preferences - session
[11:18] <Lorne_Kun|Laptop> has there been anyone else in here with the same issue as me?
[11:18] <koudelka> ethemc ah sorry, i missed
[11:18] <DaveTarmac> bionoid: cheers
[11:18] <Jordan_U> DaveTarmac, System -> Preferences -> session
[11:18] <Np>
[11:19] <doron> Jordan_U, oh, my bad :)
[11:19] <ikon> what?
[11:19] <koudelka> wrong place i think Np
[11:19] <Jordan_U> Np, What language is that?
[11:19] <Np> Chinese.
[11:21] <doron> Jordan_U, Hebrew+English
[11:21] <PurificMic> LOL
[11:21] <mhoslaw> LOL
[11:21] <Mihai_90> LOL
[11:21] <djda99> LOL
[11:21] <ogor> LOL
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