[00:00] <yofel> if you actually want 4.7.95
[00:02] <who_me> ah, problem was that the beta ppa was disabled, fixed now :)
[00:09] <who_me> rekonq dev suggested I test the new version of the browser compiled agains qtwebkit 2.2.2 and Qt 4.8 but I don't think that is an option on oneiric :)
[01:10] <ScottK> Gurgh.  Policykit support in usb-creator-kde seems broken in oneiric.
[01:11] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Can you check it?
[11:16] <bambee> Hi, Can I backport the patches from https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=288675 ? or we need to wait the rc2 ? it should be fixed in the rc2 BUT *this is a really boring bug*.
[11:28] <Riddell> bambee: sure go ahead
[11:28] <bambee> ok ;)
[12:22] <Riddell> hmm RC 1 unhappyness on the kubuntu-users list
[12:44] <who_me> idk how RCs are supposed to be but 4.8 is still pretty much beta quality stuff. I mean the bug with kmix should not be in an RC
[12:45] <who_me> that and kmail is a mess :)
[12:46] <who_me> I used the wizard to setup a Gmail account and that made kmail crash on every start. If I used KdePIM and invoked kmail through that, the it would not crash and I could even fix the setup problems that made it crash
[12:47] <who_me> and one still can't reliably have diff setups/workspace, it bugs out :/
[12:54] <who_me> btw, there is now a patch for kde bug 288675
[12:54] <who_me> and it can be applied against RC1 :)
[14:55] <bambee> who_me: I am fixing kdemultimedia to backport this patch (until the rc2)
[14:56] <who_me> sweet, thank you
[14:56]  * bambee is back from a family diner and now builds kdemultimedia
[14:56] <who_me> family dinners are nice :)
[14:56] <bambee> it should fixed in kdemultimedia >= 4.7.95-0ubuntu2
[15:02] <bambee> who_me: yeah , mostly during end of the year festivities . Apparently my weighing machine disagrees  :p
[15:03] <who_me> so does mine, gained almost 2 kilos...
[15:04] <bambee> a kubuntu dev is around? http://paste.kde.org/179858/
[15:09] <yofel_> bambee: me, did you upload that to the PPA yet?
[15:13] <bambee> yofel: not yet, I will do it right now
[15:13] <CIA-48> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdemultimedia] Philip Muškovac * 140 * debian/ (3 files in 2 dirs) Add debian/patches/kmix_excessive_cpu_usage.diff : Fix infinite loop leading to 100% CPU usage and excessively allocating memory (LP: #908159).
[15:15] <bambee> oh thanks
[15:15] <bambee> :)
[15:15] <CIA-48> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdemultimedia] Philip Muškovac * 141 * debian/changelog drop bug reference
[15:15] <bambee> ?
[15:15] <bambee> why do you drop the bug ref?
[15:15] <yofel> no point in referencing ppa bugs in the changelog
[15:16] <yofel> you can keep it for the ppa package
[15:18]  * yofel hugs bambee
[15:18] <yofel> this was annoying
[15:18] <bambee> yofel: :)
[15:19] <bambee> oh you're right, that was a ppa bug... I thought it was a "normal" bug ;)
[15:22] <yofel> bambee: btw. I would appreciate DEP-3 headers in the patch next time, here it's ok as the patch has a header that still makes it clear it's from upstream
[15:22] <bambee> ok, noted
[15:23]  * bambee searches documentation about DEP-3 headers on google
[15:23] <yofel> bambee: http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep3/
[15:24] <bambee> already found, thanks anyway
[15:47] <Riddell> mm, I should learn to use DEP-3 at some point
[15:57]  * ScottK thinks DEP-3 is bureacratic overkill.  Some of the information is useful, but all the formating and stuff is a pointless PITA.
[15:57] <ScottK> (much like DEP-5)
[16:05] <yofel> well, most of the fields are optional thankfully, all I want to know is: wth does the patch do and where is it from
[16:25] <ScottK> I agree that information is important and always try to include it as a comment.  That doesn't need DEP-3's complexity though.
[16:27] <who_me> any idea on when the new kdemultimedia pack will hit the beta repo ?
[16:43] <bambee> so as a summary the patch needs "where is it from" , "who did write it" and "what does it fix" and eventually "which bug it fixes"
[16:44] <Riddell> bambee: also the name of the patch should be in debian/changelog so you can grep for it later (my rule)
[16:45] <bambee> this rule is automatic for me, I mean I always put what I changed in the changelog (so if I added a new patch its name is in the debian/changelog)
[16:48] <Riddell> most kubuntu people do I think, following my good example :)
[16:49] <bambee> ;)
[16:50] <ScottK> ktorrent currently FTBFS.
[16:50] <ScottK> Anyone had a chance to look into it?
[16:57] <bambee> do you talk about ktorrent 4.1.3-1 ?
[16:57] <ScottK> Yes.
[17:03] <bambee> looking
[17:06] <yofel> bambee: did you upload kdemultimedia to beta?
[17:07] <ScottK> bambee: Bug #908460
[17:12] <ScottK> bambee: I just checked and all the libtaskmanager4abi2 FTBFS when rebuilt with a similar error, so I assume something changed there.
[17:13] <ScottK> No idea if it's a bug or intentional.
[17:17] <bambee> yofel: my new gpg key is not synced with launchpad yet :\  (uploaded but dput says it's not a valid gpg key)
[17:18] <yofel> I'll upload it then
[17:18] <bambee> something like that http://paste.kde.org/179930/
[17:18]  * bambee reads man 5 dput.cf
[17:19] <yofel> ah, ignore that
[17:19] <yofel> launchpad's identity server is broken again (or at least was the past few days)
[17:20] <yofel> rather check if you got a rejection mail, if you didn't then the key is indeed invalid
[17:21] <bambee> yofel: accepted
[17:21] <bambee> so my key is valid... :\
[17:23] <yofel> bambee: btw. use fix released to close bugs
[17:27] <bambee> yofel: ok
[17:43] <bambee> ScottK: did it build with kde-workspace 4.7.90 ?
[17:43] <ScottK> Dunno.  I doubt it was tried.
[17:44] <bambee> because the class TaskManager does not contain a type called taskdict ... or nothing equivalent... even into another header... apparently the type has been removed in kde/4.8...
[17:48] <ScottK> Lovely.
[17:51] <ScottK> bambee: https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/network/ktorrent/repository/revisions/6d4a6ae51692966862ccb20d17cb217717519d40
[17:52] <bambee> good catch :)
[17:53] <bambee> ScottK: I confirm https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=287309
[17:55] <ScottK> Maybe you can prepare a fixed package and then perhaps yofel would sponsor it ...
[18:03] <bambee> ScottK: the fix is already done, now the package is building :)
[18:03] <ScottK> Excellent
[18:13] <bambee> the debdiff http://paste.kde.org/179948/
[18:14] <bambee> I've to go now, feel free to highlight me even if I am away.
[18:14] <bambee> Happy new year all !!!
[18:14] <bambee> ;)
[18:21] <ScottK> bambee: I'll have a look at it.
[18:21] <ScottK> bambee: Don't mention the maintainer change in debian/changelog.  That's a given.
[18:32] <ScottK> bambee: Closing the bug in changelog is good too.  Other than that, looks good.
[18:33] <ScottK> bambee: I fixed those nits and uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu.
[18:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: how's 2012?
[19:16] <ScottK> Comments sent upstream to the other packages affected by the libtaskmanager4 changes.
[19:16] <ScottK> (none of them have fixes that I can see)
[23:36] <EagleScreen> happy new year


[09:25] <nortti> hi, I'm trying to set up chinese (simplified) IME on lubuntu 18.04, and so far with every IME system I have tried (ibus, scim, uim, fcitx) the system installs correctly and picks up whatever pinyin input I install for it, but I can't actually activate the IME in leafpad or in firefox
[09:26] <nortti> I have tried to use im-cofig (with ibus and with fcitx) and set the environment variables by hand (with ibus), but they don't seem to have any effect
[09:46] <titsuki> nortti: hi, I'm using fcitx-mozc (Japanese IME) on lubuntu 18.10 and it works fine to me. AFAIK, fcitx has its own config menu (its GUI) and you can set user-installed IME via this config.
[09:50] <nortti> yeah, that part works fine. just nothing else seems to recognize I have fcitx running
[09:50] <nortti> did you have to do any additional configuration in addition to installing fcitx?
[09:51] <titsuki> nortti: I didn't need to do any other configuration.
[09:51] <titsuki> nortti: but you may need to reboot your computer.
[09:56] <nortti> does not seem to have had any effect
[09:58] <titsuki> nortti: Sorry, I have never used lubuntu 18.04, so I don't have good idea...
[10:01] <nortti> mmh, thanks anyways. will try to see if I can adapt information from say arch
[10:10] <nortti> looks like if I manually do "export XMODIFIERS=@im=fcitx" in my ~/.profile then it'll work
[10:11] <titsuki> nortti: that's good to hear
[14:17] <lubuntu_n00b> Notebook Toshiba Satellite M40-284; Lubuntu 18.04 32-bit; can't change LCD backlight; "/sys/class/backlight" is empty


[01:20] <dumnut> hi, i isntalled xubuntu  and it works finwe. i wqnt to setup a dvr. is mythbuntu another flavor with dvr capablity in addition?
[01:48] <dumnut> i ahve xubuntu. if i install mythbuntu on top of that, would that work?
[02:12] <Hydr0p0nX> should be able to
[03:12] <dumnut> hi Hydr0p0nX, thank-you for your help.
[11:43] <dumnut>  hi, i want to install mythbuntu. i now run xubuntu. do i inastall mythbutun on top of xbuntu i have now? or do i erase xubuntu and install mythbuntu fresh?
[22:56] <tgm4883> dumnut: you can just install the mythtv related stuff
[22:56] <tgm4883> dumnut: you should be able to install mythbuntu-control-centre and then configure it all from there
[23:26] <dumnut> hi tgm4883, so i install first xubuntu and then mythbuntu and mythbuntu won't mess with xubuntu already there?


[06:55] <Dreaman> how to upgreat to 16.10
[06:55] <Dreaman> terminal comand
[07:34] <lordievader> Good morning
[19:41] <maxb> Right, time to upgrade a sacrificial laptop to yakkety and see what happens :-)


[09:32] <axoin_> Hello! is there any specific reason why you removed (or don't build) the module iptable_nat into 3.17-rc5? you built it into 3.17-rc4 and there it was /lib/modules/3.17.0-031700rc4-generic/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/iptable_nat.ko but nowadays, it breaks the libvirt...
[09:38] <axoin> (sorry for repeating, webchat kicked me) Hello! is there any specific reason why you removed (or don't  build) the module iptable_nat into 3.17-rc5? you built it into 3.17-rc4  and there it was  /lib/modules/3.17.0-031700rc4-generic/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/iptable_nat.ko  but nowadays, it breaks the libvirt...
[14:46] <bjf> jsalisbury, i have an Intel nuc and i've installed & booted both trust & utopic several times without issue
[14:46] <bjf> kirkland, ^
[14:46] <jsalisbury> bjf, hmm, interesting
[14:46] <kirkland> bjf: with external USB devices attached?
[14:46] <kirkland> bjf: usb keyboard, usb3 hard drive?
[14:46] <bjf> kirkland, yup, all the ones you told me to purchase
[14:47] <kirkland> bjf: you installed trusty ga, and then upgraded?
[14:47] <kirkland> (I see a new kernel update is available for me today)
[14:47] <bjf> kirkland, no, installed utopic daily
[14:47] <bjf> kirkland, or whatever MAAS picked up
[15:40] <bjf> kirkland, just re-installed and rebooted with both 3.13.0-27-generic #50  and  3.16.0-14-generic #20
[15:40] <bjf> kirkland, have both usb drive and usb kbd plugged in
[15:43] <rtg> apw_, unstable seems to be working well on the couple of bits of kit that I've tried
[15:44] <apw_> rtg, nice i'll give it a bash
[18:45] <jsalisbury> apw, rtg, is this due to something we changed in the mainline builds: bug 1369486  And should we be concerned since it's the mainline testing builds and not the Ubuntu kernels?
[18:46] <rtg> jsalisbury, I think its already been fixed. apw re-ran the mainline build
[18:47] <jsalisbury> rtg, cool, thanks.  I'll ask to re-test
[19:17] <apw_> jsalisbury, thanks for doing that, i clearly forgot
[19:17] <jsalisbury> apw_, np


[03:05] <ball> Why is lubuntu.org ?
[03:05] <guiverc> ball, it's not a Ubuntu or Lubuntu web site.  It's not under Ubuntu/Lubuntu control; so I'd suggest not using it
[03:06] <guiverc> ball, if you want to use only official Ubuntu flavor sites; don't ask google/search engines, but go to ubuntu.com (ie. https://ubuntu.com/download/flavours) which will take you to official Ubuntu flavor sites
[03:07] <guiverc> you'll not all Ubuntu flavor sites are under Ubuntu ownership/control; we cannot control web sites that aren't ours
[03:08] <guiverc> FYI:  opening that site on my browser gets a "badware risk warning"; and asks me if I want to continue or not (warning from ublock origin)
[03:10] <guiverc> s/you'll not/you'll note/ ^
[03:10] <ball> It's a pity they're able to squat there. :-(
[03:11] <guiverc> ball they (original owner of lubuntu.org) were the original owner before Lubuntu owned a web site
[03:11] <ball> Is Lubuntu not a trademark?
[03:12] <guiverc> trademarks cost $s to legally pursue & if you win, they are told to remove/pull down the site, but costs are cannot be claimed... ie. trademark protection costs $s...
[03:12] <guiverc> Lubuntu is a non-profit that doesn't have $s to spend on legal...
[03:13] <ball> That's unfortunate.
[03:13] <guiverc> recal the groupon (I think) trying to steal GNOME trademark .... it required loads of donations in order to start that legal battle...  (a few years back)
[03:13] <guiverc> s/recal/recall ^
[03:14]  * ball waits patiently for the downloads
[03:14] <ball> download*
[03:14] <guiverc> https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/11/gnome-open-source-project-fights-groupon-over-gnome-trademark/ etc...
[03:19] <ball> Is there a way to ask the installer not to create a swap partition?
[03:19] <guiverc> you've not said what release; but there is a drop down (swap/no-swap) for many install options
[03:20] <guiverc> other install options do not offer that drop down though
[03:20] <guiverc> the default varies on release (version of calamares somewhat), but if you already have swap that will generally be used
[03:21] <guiverc> you can see the 'drop down' for swap here - https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/_images/partitioning.png
[03:25] <ball> Thanks
[04:56] <ball> Booting from it now.
[05:02] <ball> I like the installer!
[20:35] <darkblueb> hi all - installing jammy here on a "big" server box..
[20:35] <darkblueb> physical media
[21:42] <darkblueb> .. and it completes.. using the GUI installer..  wondering about  update-grub2
[21:42] <darkblueb> I rebooted once so far, and the GRUB screen definitely does not know about the new OS yet
[21:44] <darkblueb> $update-grub2  run from the previous ubuntu OS now, sees the new system.. writes a dot-cfg to /boot/grub/ ..
[21:45] <darkblueb> since I booted once, some kind of master boot record must be found in the old way
[21:45] <darkblueb> let's try
[21:50] <darkblueb> .. and that works fine.. I suspect that if I unplugged every disk except the new one, it would be different.. but .. one challenge at a time
[21:51] <darkblueb> what is the stock GUI disk utility called ?   the "gnome-disks" basically..
[22:08] <darkblueb> ok - KDE Partition Manager it seems .. not very chatty here it seems
[22:16] <darkblueb> unsure if symlinking /home  to another disk works OK, or if you have to choose that in the initialization steps
[22:17] <darkblueb> one new partition on the same disk added to /etc/fstab  ,  and change the /etc/apt/sources.list   only, to start
[22:20] <darkblueb> next, remove snapd completely
[22:21] <darkblueb> that appears to be -- bare, core20, firefox, gnome3, gtk-something, snap3
[22:24] <darkblueb> I see firefox snapd touches most of the whole system.. and that there is some kind of app-armor like profile for it
[22:24] <darkblueb> aus mit Sie
[22:35] <darkblueb> documented, just in case.. done
[22:36] <darkblueb> next is QEmu .. I need to build and run VMs with this setup.. I have used VirtualBox for years for that.. however, qemu is native
[22:36] <darkblueb> I have no important reason to switch, in fact I had problems with qemu ten years ago.. much has been done since then
[22:37] <darkblueb> I believe our sysadmin uses LXC for containers, but I am not going that way ..
[22:37] <darkblueb> also Docker has a "rootless" mode now, I saw briefly .. interested in that
[22:55] <darkblueb> email says --  looking at the live-build debian package (which is also available in Ubuntu)
[23:05] <darkblueb> I see the live-build package does install parts of qemu


[13:51] <jrwren>  Lunar Lobster is a rock lobster if i've ever heard of one. such a great name, too bad it isn't an LTS
[13:55] <cmaloney> <3