[00:11] <wgrant> nigelb: Are you sure that branch fixes it completely?
[00:11] <wgrant> nigelb: If you're not pretty sure that's enough to totally fix it, we need to revert your revision.
[00:11] <nigelb> wgrant: as embarassing as it sounds, yes.
[00:11] <nigelb> I added tests
[00:11] <nigelb> *more* tests
[00:13] <nigelb> wgrant: Is there more I could do to actually prove it works?
[00:13] <nigelb> Is there a test server I could push to?
[00:13] <nigelb> without getting it committed that is.
[00:14] <wgrant> I'll try merging it on DF.
[00:15] <nigelb> DF?
[00:15] <wgrant> dogfood.launchpad.net
[00:15] <wgrant> Normally used for Soyuz testing.
[00:15] <nigelb> Can I visit it?
[00:16] <nigelb> i.e., can people not in ~launchpad visit it.
[00:16] <wgrant> yes.
[00:16] <nigelb> Ok, if you can get it running there, that'd be great.
[00:16] <wgrant> Although it's very slow, as everything including the database runs on a machine from 2004.
[00:17] <nigelb> I just need to load a bug.
[00:18] <nigelb> wow, OOOPs all over the place.
[00:21] <wgrant> Ah, yeah, loooks like we might have issues with testing this on DF.
[00:21] <wgrant> Because its database is old.
[00:21] <wgrant> And doesn't have BugMessage.owner set.
[00:22] <nigelb> ah
[00:22] <nigelb> argh
[00:22] <nigelb> let me try something
[00:23] <wgrant> So, I think I need to roll this back, and perhaps you can ask a LOSA to merge it temporarily on (qa)staging next week.
[00:23] <wgrant> So you can test it out.
[00:24] <nigelb> Is it possible to do a merge on DF?
[00:24] <nigelb> i.e. code merge
[00:24] <wgrant> Yes, but its DF is crap so that won't be much use.
[00:24] <wgrant> Er.
[00:24] <nigelb> \o/
[00:24] <wgrant> s/DF/DB/
[00:24] <nigelb> Okay, so I can see a merge
[00:25] <nigelb> If you can push the code, I can test it in an MP as well.
[00:25] <wgrant> You'll have to create a new MP.
[00:25] <nigelb> I created one
[00:25] <nigelb> https://code.dogfood.launchpad.net/~summit-hackers/summit/i18n/+merge/60007
[00:27] <wgrant> JS should be updated
[00:29] <nigelb> Code's still old.
[00:29] <wgrant> Which code?
[00:29] <nigelb> linkchecker.py needs to be updated as well
[00:30] <wgrant> Hmm, but it should already be running the latest devel revision...
[00:30] <nigelb> Its r13954
[00:30] <nigelb> While qastaging is r13978
[00:30] <wgrant> Well, it says that, but it often lies.
[00:30] <wgrant> Let's see.
[00:31] <nigelb> I know that linkchecker.py doesn't contain my changes, because I'm getting what used to happen earlier.
[00:32] <nigelb> I'm guessing you just brought it down
[00:33] <wgrant> It's restarting.
[00:33] <wgrant> Slowly.
[00:33] <wgrant> And it's back.
[00:33] <wgrant> Hopefully with the new Python code this time.
[00:33]  * nigelb does hard refresh
[00:35] <nigelb> wgrant: \o/
[00:35] <nigelb> Seems to work!
[00:36] <wgrant> Do you have a bug that would be interesting to test? I can fix particular bugs to render on DF>
[00:36] <nigelb> one sec
[00:37] <nigelb> let me see the one we were testing on qastaging
[00:38] <nigelb> bug 755937
[00:38] <_mup_> Bug #755937: phaseshift version 0.40-13.2 failed to build on i386 <ftbfs> <natty> <oneiric> <universe> <phaseshift (Ubuntu):Confirmed> <phaseshift (Ubuntu Oneiric):Confirmed> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/755937 >
[00:38] <nigelb> could you fix that on DF?
[00:38] <wgrant> It renders now.
[00:40] <nigelb> Trying to duplicate
[00:41] <nigelb> Gah.
[00:41] <nigelb> I'm awesome
[00:41] <wgrant> Oh?
[00:41] <nigelb> I made the qastaging bug render :p
[00:41] <wgrant> Heh
[00:41] <nigelb> Now I can't use that to compare
[00:42] <nigelb> Works as expected in dogfood.
[00:42] <nigelb> let me violate another qastaging bug :P
[00:43] <nigelb> ZOMG.
[00:43] <nigelb> QAstating did *not* timeout on me.
[00:43] <nigelb> This needs celebration.
[00:43] <nigelb> (spoke to soon. Damn)
[00:49] <nigelb> wgrant: Seems to work like it should
[00:52]  * wgrant lands.
[00:52] <nigelb> wgrant: Sorry about the mess :)
[00:52] <nigelb> I think I've made a whole lot of revisions undeployable
[00:53] <wgrant> Indeed, but it's by no means the worst we've had recently :)
[00:53] <nigelb> HA
[00:53] <nigelb> I'm really glad I invested in the time to write javascript tests
[00:53] <nigelb> I would never have fixed this on time without those
[00:54] <wgrant> Yes, tests are handy :)
[00:54] <wgrant> nigelb: Could you set a commit message?
[00:54] <nigelb> yeah, sec
[00:55] <nigelb> wgrant: done
[01:00] <nigelb> wgrant: Oh. No test run?
[01:00] <wgrant> nigelb: No point. It's a weekend, and the deployment pipeline is blocked until this is fixed anyway.
[01:01] <nigelb> \o/
[01:01] <wgrant> Plus it's a safe change.
[01:01] <nigelb> Right. You just ran it in dogfood and I didn't bring it down :-)
[01:04] <LPCIBot> Project devel build #1,083: STILL FAILING in 36 sec: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/devel/1083/
[01:06] <nigelb> ^ Didn't even start
[01:16] <LPCIBot> Project devel build #1,084: STILL FAILING in 1.7 sec: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/devel/1084/
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[04:54] <wgrant> cjwatson: Is remove-package.py used at all these days? It was superseded by lp-remove-package.py years ago, but never deleted...
[05:12] <StevenK> I can not recall remove-package being used while I've been an AA
[05:13] <wgrant> I'm waiting for mawson to tell me if anyone has.
[05:13] <StevenK> It imports dak_utils for crying out loud
[05:13] <wgrant> The last source it was used on was in 2007... binaries I'm still waiting for.
[05:13] <wgrant> Yep.
[05:13] <wgrant> But then again so does sync-source...
[05:13] <StevenK> steven@liquified:~/launchpad/lp-branches/devel% grep -c '^#' scripts/ftpmaster-tools/remove-package.py
[05:13] <StevenK> 145
[05:13] <wgrant> But that can hopefully die soon.
[05:13] <wgrant> Yes.
[05:13] <wgrant> There's a revdep check all commented out in there :/
[05:14] <StevenK> Yes.
[05:14] <StevenK> Because removing code is hard, or something.
[05:14] <StevenK> An XXX from elmo. Neat.
[05:15] <StevenK> That is disgusting, kill it.
[05:15] <wgrant> It's already gone.
[05:16] <wgrant> Just wanting confirmation.
[05:19]  * StevenK stares at scripts/_ginalog.py
[05:20] <wgrant> Yes, pretty much.
[05:20] <wgrant> But it doesn't use initZopeless, so this branch won't delete it.
[05:20] <StevenK> Oh, nice, you're killing it already?
[05:20] <wgrant> Well, porting most scripts that use it directly to use LaunchpadScript instead.
[05:21] <wgrant> And deleting lots of scripts that use it but don't work any more.
[05:21] <StevenK> Does that mean canonical.lp dies?
[05:21] <wgrant> Hopefully in the next couple of days.
[05:21] <wgrant> Still a little bit to go.
[05:24] <wgrant> Hmm, untested script written in 2006 and unchanged since then except for compatibility fixes.
[05:24] <wgrant> I think it can die.
[05:33] <StevenK> Which one?
[05:34] <wgrant> scripts/rosetta/check-distroseries-translations-diffs.py
[05:40] <StevenK> Nothing seems to reference scripts/_ginalog.py, I'm tempted to just delete it.
[05:42] <wgrant> I believe that would be the correct course of action.
[05:42] <wgrant> 540KB of accidental addition, I suspect.
[05:44] <wgrant> It hasn't changed since it was added around r1149
[05:48] <StevenK>  1 file changed, 15640 deletions(-)
[05:48] <wgrant> Heh
[05:49] <nigelb> Woah
[05:49] <nigelb> With the amount of "die" and "kill" you both use, a casual observer would think you both are professional hitmen.
[05:50] <StevenK> I used 'rm' this time!
[05:50] <nigelb> ha
[05:50] <StevenK> wgrant: Tossed at PQM
[05:50] <wgrant> The code with the lowest maintenance cost is code that doesn't exist :)
[05:50] <nigelb> +1 to that
[05:54] <StevenK> Neat. r13980
[05:55] <nigelb> 20 more revs to r14000. Neat.
[06:13] <wgrant> StevenK: Have you read sync-source.py lately?
[06:13] <wgrant> def init(): global Blacklisted, Library, Lock, Log, Options
[06:13] <wgrant> That's a pretty good summary of its style.
[07:23] <StevenK> I don't think I want to.
[07:28] <wgrant>  31 files changed, 558 insertions(+), 2198 deletions(-)
[07:28] <wgrant> And canonical.lp is dead.
[07:29] <StevenK> \o/
[07:29] <StevenK> Have you pushed it?
[07:36] <wgrant> The three branches are in ec2.
[07:36] <wgrant> Will see how much is broken.
[08:49] <wgrant> Ah, this is handy.
[08:51] <wgrant> I think our manual escaping stuff might do the wrong thing with postgres 9.1's escaping changes.
[08:51] <wgrant> :(
[08:54] <cjwatson> wgrant: yes, feel free to kill remove-package.py
[08:54] <wgrant> cjwatson: Thanks.
[08:56] <cjwatson> we still need sync-source.py for a while until a few more bugs in the new-style thing are worked out
[08:56] <wgrant> Yep.
[08:56] <cjwatson> particularly sponsorship
[08:56] <cjwatson> *sigh* must find time to finish writing that autosync API script too
[08:58] <wgrant> cjwatson: Are archive-{integrity,override,cruft}-check used?
[08:58] <cjwatson> cruft is very heavily used.
[08:58] <wgrant> Ah, so we still use it for NBS?
[08:58] <cjwatson> I can't remember about the other two.
[08:58] <cjwatson> Yes.
[08:59] <cjwatson> I kind of feel like we ought to use integrity but I haven't done so for ages.
[08:59] <wgrant> It also does ASBA, which is a bit odd.
[08:59] <wgrant> Yeah, I want to run something like integrity, that basically compares the pool with the DB.
[09:00] <wgrant> Because there is heaps of cruft there, and some stuff is probably missing.
[09:00] <cjwatson> I think this is the first time I've heard of archive-override-check.  Exactly what "inconsistences" [sic] does it report on?
[09:00] <wgrant> It's the one I don't know about, too.
[09:00] <wgrant> Let me read it.
[09:02] <wgrant> I think it might check consistency between architectures.
[09:02] <cjwatson> So like http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/architecture-mismatches.txt except unused? :-)
[09:02] <cjwatson> That report is just done based on Packages and Sources files.
[09:03] <wgrant> Indeed, probably. I assumed NBS there was similar -- didn't realise you actually used archive-cruft-check.
[09:03] <cjwatson> So, OK, it'll miss things with inconsistent overrides that aren't built, but ...
[09:03] <cjwatson> Yeah, we use it as the first stage of the input
[09:03] <cjwatson> I wouldn't object to rewriting it at some point
[09:04] <cjwatson> http://paste.ubuntu.com/692165/ - don't vomit all at once
[09:04] <wgrant> I plan to write a new integrity checker in the short term, but have no plans for cruft, apart from the port to LaunchpadScript that I did this afternoon.
[09:04] <wgrant> Not bad, not bad.
[09:04] <wgrant> That explains why the output was unrecognisable.
[09:04] <cjwatson> I particularly like the grep '^ *o '
[09:06] <wgrant> Yeah.
[09:06] <wgrant> AFAICT archive-cruft-check's ASBA support is unused and doesn't even make sense.
[09:06] <wgrant> Perhaps it originated with dak.
[09:21] <cjwatson> I don't believe I've used it for some time
[09:23] <cjwatson> If you want to delete that part, that's fine by me; or you could just ignore it until I rewrite cron.NBS and propose a branch that removes the script entirely
[09:23] <cjwatson> OK, WTF was _ginalog.py about?
[09:26] <cjwatson> Oh.  Wow.  ArchiveCruftChecker doesn't even talk to the database except to get the current distroseries and such (and the removal code which we don't use).  I could just pull that out wholesale.
[09:27] <cjwatson> (Perhaps not on a Sunday morning though.)
[09:43] <wgrant> cjwatson: Yeah, most of archive-*-checker don't really use the DB for anything useful.
[09:44] <wgrant> There's a *lot* of cruft in LP :)
[09:53] <wgrant> nigelb: Thanks.
[10:16] <nigelb> wgrant: \o/
[10:17] <nigelb> Not my happiest moment. Really.
[10:19] <wgrant> Heh :)
[11:32] <StevenK> Hehe, even cjwatson comments on _gina log
[18:11] <m4n1sh> where do all the translation strings like here come from? Do they come from po/messages.pot file present in branch associated with series which is focus of development?
[18:22] <nigelb> Not the best of times. Oceania still hasn't woken up.
[21:27] <dobey> m4n1sh: "like here" ?
[21:28] <dobey> m4n1sh: also, Oceania is at war with East Asia, so that whole thing might get in the way. ;)
[21:28] <m4n1sh> errrr? had too much of whisky?
[21:29] <m4n1sh> :)
[21:29] <dobey> no
[21:29] <dobey> did you miss the 2 minutes hate, brother?
[21:30] <mwhudson> morning
[21:30] <dobey> m4n1sh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four#The_War
[21:31] <m4n1sh> ahhh
[21:31] <m4n1sh> got it
[21:31] <m4n1sh> :)
[21:32] <dobey> m4n1sh: anyway, i'm not sure what you mean by 'like here' given you provided no link :)
[21:32] <m4n1sh> yes
[21:32] <m4n1sh> I know
[21:32] <m4n1sh> that was the mistake
[21:32] <m4n1sh> I realized it just now
[21:33] <m4n1sh> it was the http://translations.launchpad.net/pinta
[21:33] <m4n1sh> page
[21:33] <m4n1sh> was trying my hands on gettext and all those, not able to understand many things
[21:35] <dobey> ah; i think translations on a project are imported from the .pot file in the series, if there is one
[21:36] <dobey> ugh
[21:36] <dobey> what the heck is pinta doing
[21:36] <dobey> eww
[21:38] <m4n1sh> dobey: where?
[21:39] <dobey> with translations
[21:39] <m4n1sh> it got a rebirth
[21:39] <m4n1sh> I dont think the translations work properly
[21:39] <m4n1sh> the translations should be named like es.pot, ro.pot etc
[21:39] <dobey> it's doing weird stuff manually with gettext, i presume to try and support windows also
[21:39] <dobey> no
[21:39] <m4n1sh> like locale.pot
[21:39] <dobey> no
[21:40] <m4n1sh> right now it is messages-<locale>.pot
[21:40] <dobey> there is only one pot file
[21:40] <m4n1sh> sorry
[21:40] <dobey> no, it's .po
[21:40] <m4n1sh> I mean
[21:40] <m4n1sh> right now it is messages-<locale>.po
[21:40] <m4n1sh> it should be just locale.po
[21:40] <dobey> well, a lot of things should be different
[21:40] <m4n1sh> but all the files in pinta repo is named messages-<locale>.po
[21:40] <m4n1sh> differnet like?
[21:41] <dobey> it's not clear how to me pinta expects to support windows/osx though
[21:41] <m4n1sh> it does
[21:41] <dobey> well, "messages" is not a proper gettext package name
[21:41] <dobey> m4n1sh: i know it does. i mean in the technical sense
[21:42] <dobey> ie, a single .exe, or does it require cygwin to work, or what
[21:42] <m4n1sh> dobey: it works on windows and osx too
[21:42] <m4n1sh> over mono
[21:42] <m4n1sh> runs over mono for windows
[21:42] <m4n1sh> or probably even .NET
[21:42] <dobey> yes but that doesn't tell me anything
[21:42] <m4n1sh> https://github.com/PintaProject/Pinta/tree/master/po
[21:42] <m4n1sh> check this
[21:42] <dobey> i looked at it
[21:42] <dobey> but it doesn't tell me anything about it, other than it's being done wrong
[21:43] <m4n1sh> lol
[21:43] <dobey> anyway, not an issue with launchpad itself
[21:43] <m4n1sh> I dont think so
[21:43] <m4n1sh> launchpad exports it as <locale>.po
[21:43] <m4n1sh> AFAIK
[21:43] <m4n1sh> this messages-foo thing breaks pure gettext based files
[21:43] <m4n1sh> like pinta.desktop.in
[21:44] <dobey> yes, like i said. the way pinta is doing translations is totally broken :)
[21:44] <m4n1sh> I get entries in pinta.desktop as
[21:44] <m4n1sh> Name[messages-ro] = blah blah
[21:45] <m4n1sh> I expect to get
[21:45] <m4n1sh> Name[ro] = blab blah
[21:45] <dobey> eh?
[21:45] <m4n1sh> yes
[21:45] <m4n1sh> after running make I get "Name[messages-ro] = blah blah" in pinta.desktop file
[21:45] <m4n1sh> not what I expect
[21:46] <dobey> i don't see how
[21:46] <dobey> are you building/installing on windows?
[21:46] <m4n1sh> no
[21:46] <m4n1sh> Ubuntu
[21:47] <dobey> is bzr way behind what's in git? or do you have some patch to make it build?
[21:47] <m4n1sh> it looks for all the files in po/ dir and checks for the string I Used in _Name
[21:47] <m4n1sh> so the translation for that string is in messages-ro.po
[21:47] <m4n1sh> so it substitues Name[messages-ro] = fo fo
[21:48] <m4n1sh> dobey: this way is not related to git or bzr
[21:48] <dobey> is there a pinta irc channel?
[21:48] <m4n1sh> yes
[21:48] <m4n1sh> dead
[21:48] <m4n1sh> only me and Laney are there :)
[21:48] <m4n1sh> this gettext thing is done by intltool and autotools
[21:49] <m4n1sh> two highly confusing things
[21:49] <m4n1sh> nothing git or bzr specific
[21:49] <dobey> let's move discussion there
[21:49] <m4n1sh> yes
[21:59] <lifeless> :P
[22:05] <nigelb> morning lifeless
[22:59] <lifeless> hi nigelb
[23:00] <nigelb> Sleepless nights are so not fun.
[23:01] <nigelb> wallyworld_: \o/ I landed that bug title via XHR that I was working on! After qa-bad twice though :(  (wgrant may stab me anytime :P)
[23:06] <wallyworld_> nigelb: excellent. well done. i've been fighting with unity this morning :-(
[23:06] <nigelb> Ouch, that sounds like a bad way to start a Monday
[23:07] <wallyworld_> yep. been bad for a few days. hopefully beta2 will be better
[23:09] <wgrant> lifeless: Are we still forbidden from fastdowntime during beta week?
[23:11] <lifeless> wgrant: on some days yes
[23:12] <wgrant> lifeless: Wed/Thu I could understand, but it seems like two minutes early in the week shouldn't hurt.
[23:12] <wgrant> I guess it depends when they aim to have images, too.
[23:13]  * wgrant stabs Optus a bit.
[23:27] <cjwatson> I wouldn't expect a Monday fastdowntime to be a problem.  After that I think we'd prefer you held off
[23:28] <cjwatson> and Friday should be OK, given that the main bit that isn't fast yet is the publisher downtime
[23:29] <wgrant> cjwatson: Thanks.
[23:56] <lifeless> cjwatson: wgrant: I think kate asked for wed/thu
[23:56] <lifeless> skaet: ^ was it those two days you wanted blacklisted, or tuesday as well ?
[23:58] <wgrant> Does she realise it means missing a publisher run?
[23:58] <wgrant> Although it may be on manual at that point anyway.
[23:58] <lifeless> https://code.launchpad.net/~lifeless/launchpad/use-oops-timeline/+merge/75935
[23:58] <lifeless> wgrant: does it ?
[23:59] <wgrant> lifeless: It finishes at :26-33 or so, so we disable it an hour before.
[23:59] <wgrant> Meaning that the 0802 run doesn't happen.


[00:11] <eduardo> Hello!
[00:46] <eduardo> hey does anyone have experience installing xubuntu from an existing running Linux setup?
[00:48] <TheSheep> eduardo: yes
[00:48] <TheSheep> !install
[00:48] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[00:48] <TheSheep> eduardo: this works pretty well: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromLinux
[00:49] <eduardo> TheSheep: I actually followed those steps more or less
[00:49] <TheSheep> eduardo: I meant the atimated script at the top
[00:49] <eduardo> the problem is - i get as far as the reboot and hit the Installer from grub - but then at some point it switched to looking at the CD Drive anyway
[00:50] <TheSheep> eduardo: hmm.. no idea
[00:54] <saul> display /motd
[01:17] <eduardo> TheSheep - btw, the script at the top doesn't list that it knows how to to XUBUNTU, only Ubuntu. right?
[01:20] <TheSheep> eduardo: they both install just the base system
[01:20] <eduardo> oh yea? and then what would i do
[01:20] <TheSheep> eduardo: you need to install xubuntu-desktop after that yourself
[01:20] <eduardo> oh I gotcha
[01:20] <eduardo> I understand
[01:33] <somerville32> TheSheep, do you have time to do stuff with the css for the xubuntu about page?
[01:35] <TheSheep> somerville32: yes, what needs to be done?
[01:36] <somerville32> Just make it look pretty? <g>
[01:52] <neur1> anyone use openbox?
[02:34] <grout> how can i view a windows shared folder?
[02:38] <soldats> there are a few bugs in that area, id suggest looking at the bugs section of the ubuntu site. it may be fixed im not sure. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs
[02:38] <somerville32> grout, samba
[02:38] <soldats> there are a few things you can do to get around it but my windoze system is running so i cant remember how
[02:38] <somerville32> !samba | grout
[02:38] <ubotu> grout: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[04:21] <soldats> somerville32, have you found a newer computer yet, you asked if someone would give you one. i dont believe my little sister uses hers and i have no use for it unless i wanna test new distros.
[04:22] <soldats> i guessi could get it from her
[04:22] <somerville32> soldats, :D
[04:23] <somerville32> No, I'm still using this stupid crappy old one
[04:23] <somerville32> :]
[04:24] <soldats> well if i can get a hold of it id be willing to send it. i dont have money for shipping though. but i assume you are a developer for ubuntu or xubuntu right.
[04:27] <soldats> i was thinking about using it to test non stable new ubuntu distros in it to look for bugs
[04:31] <darkbladepdx> Hello! :)
[04:33] <soldats> hello
[04:34] <darkbladepdx> I¨m hoping this is the right place to ask questions?
[04:34] <soldats> yes
[04:38] <darkbladepdx> I¨m new to xubuntu, and have googled the net for this and tried it, so - I¨m setting up a machine with a couple of non-admin users and want to tailor xfceś Applications menu so that some items do not appear. I _think_ I¨ve done what the forums I found suggested (i.e., copied a <n>.desktop file to the user´s /.local/shared/applications directory and added NoDisplay=true to it), but this doesn´t seem to work. Am I possibly missing
[04:39] <darkbladepdx> Oh, I´m running 7.10.
[04:40] <soldats> did you restart x
[04:42] <darkbladepdx> Ah. Hmm. Not sure. I´ve logged in and out several times, but I can´t swear that the system has been completely rebooted.  I am also pretty new to stuff like this in LINUX. Can I do an X restart w/o losing the gui, or will I need to reboot the system?
[04:46] <soldats> close and save everything and do ctrl+alt+backspace i think restarts X
[04:46] <darkbladepdx> OK. will do. brb. In the meantime, thanks very much.
[04:47] <soldats> np
[04:59] <darkbladepdx> Soldats?
[05:00] <soldats> hi
[05:01] <darkbladepdx> Hi. I´ve rebooted, but still no luck. When I did the file copy, I made sure I changed the perms and owner, too... unless that was a bad thing? :)
[05:02] <soldats> hmm
[05:03] <darkbladepdx> Now, I saw something about using ¨Hidden¨ instead of ¨NoDisplay¨? But the spec in the xfce doc didn´t show that, so I stuck with NoDisplay.
[05:04] <darkbladepdx> Does the placement in the file of the tag matter? I mean, does it need to be first/last/or...?
[05:04] <soldats> shouldnt matter most people put it at the bottom
[05:06] <soldats> gimmie a sec
[05:08] <soldats> ok well the fact that you said you added a .desktop file means you were trying top add something
[05:09] <darkbladepdx> Hmmm. Well, no, I was trying (as a test) to get one of the games to _not_ display in this user´s menu. My ultimate intent is to edit out the sysadmin choices and suchlike for non-technical users.
[05:09] <soldats> did you get pm?
[05:09] <darkbladepdx> PM?
[05:12] <soldats> ok well anyways, if you want to remove said app from menu then login as root or use "su" command in terminal and navigate to the .local/share/applications directory of each user you want to edit and open each app you dont want thwm to see and the line "NoDisplay=true" to the bottom and save and exit
[05:12] <ed_> hello
[05:13] <soldats> hello
[05:13] <ed_> So I installed XUBUNTU on my Thinkpad T22 and it's SO much slower than the debian install i had before...
[05:13] <ed_> any idea what i can look at
[05:14] <soldats> darkbladepdx, try my suggestion out just add the command to each .desktop file for each app you dont want them to see
[05:16] <darkbladepdx> Right. So, I copied the file for (in this test case) the Tetravex game (gnotravex.desktop) to ~/.local/<username>/share/applications, added the NoDisplay=true, but no change in the user´s menu. So I´m confused.
[05:16] <darkbladepdx> I was testing on Tetravex so I didn´t accidentally lose acces to an important bit.
[05:17] <soldats> no the correct path name is /home/<user>/.local/share/applications
[05:18] <soldats> if from root
[05:18] <darkbladepdx> RIght, oops, sorry, thatś what I meant.
[05:19] <soldats> "gksudo thunar" and do it graphically but be careful
[05:20] <darkbladepdx> Soldats, I´m going to apologize, I may have done a bonehead thing. Let me double-check something and get back to you.
[05:20] <soldats> ok
[05:21] <soldats> ed_, that may or may not be realted to some unneeded backround processes or maybe theres an incompatability with xubuntu but im not sure
[05:21] <soldats> maybe a graphics card incompatability
[05:22] <soldats> or graphics card is failing
[05:23] <darkbladepdx> OK, back. No luck. I had changed the username, but left the home dir at its original value, but was worried that the system would have creatd and ben looking in a home dir of the new username, but apparently not, it seems to be looking in the right place.
[05:23] <darkbladepdx> Do blank lines in .desktop files matter?
[05:23] <soldats> no
[05:24] <darkbladepdx> Yeah, didn´t think so, UNIX/LINUX writers are smarter than that, I´m grasping at straws.
[05:32] <soldats> so if you copied a .desktop file to the applications directory where did you get it from? you shouldnt need to add the NoDisplay=true command if the file already exists. just change the false to true
[05:33] <darkbladepdx> Per the original instructions, it came from /usr/share/applications
[05:34] <darkbladepdx> There wasn´t any files in the directory in the user´s tree.
[05:35] <soldats> ok well if each file existed there, in the file it should say NoDisplay=false so when you copy it you just need to change the false to true
[05:36] <darkbladepdx> Let me check the original.
[05:37] <darkbladepdx> Nope. I assumed that the default would have been false and so no entry was made in the file.
[05:37] <darkbladepdx> The original forum discussion seemed to indicate that.
[05:37] <soldats> yea
[05:38] <soldats> i was thinking too hard
[05:38] <darkbladepdx> Bad old Windoze habits. :D   I can relate.
[05:39] <soldats> actually i was reading the wiki
[05:39] <darkbladepdx> Are there other files that control that menu? It would seem to me that there would have to be, since the ¨Edit Menu¨ option from that menu only shows you an #include system, IIRC.
[05:40] <soldats> if you want to remove the file you dont need to copy it youjust need to add the line NoDisplay=true in the /usr/share/applications
[05:40] <darkbladepdx> If you want the NoDisplay to be system-wide, all users. But if you want certain users to see/acces it and others not...?
[05:42] <soldats> yea the wiki didnt say exactly for per user basis only for adding on a per user basis but id assume the same way you did by copying it to the dir and addint that line
[05:44] <darkbladepdx> Yeah, that´s what the forum stuff I saw said, but it was Jan 2006, IIRC. Let me double-check.
[05:45] <soldats> well i guess if copying the file from /usr/share/applications to <user>/.local/share/applications and adding the command doesnt work im clueless as why it wont work
[05:46] <darkbladepdx> Hereś the first of the two sources I saw - http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/08/04/howto-remove-menu-entries-from-the-system-menu/
[05:47] <darkbladepdx> and the other - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=418814
[05:49] <soldats> darkbladepdx, i noticed the NoDisplay=true is right underneath Type=Application i wonder if putting it here will be better
[05:51] <darkbladepdx> Iĺl give it a try.
[05:52] <soldats> are you sure your copying it to <user>/.local/share/applications
[05:56] <darkbladepdx> Yep. At least that´s what thunar says, and so does an ls. I dunno. Oh, btw, just noticed I did get the PM, I´m not used to this client yet. Sorry :)
[05:57] <soldats> ahh its ok, well im not sure whats going on then
[05:58] <darkbladepdx> If I send you the file, can you toss it into a test user tree and see what happens?
[05:59] <darkbladepdx> Or are there other folks I should bug about this? I´m quite new to the community.
[06:00] <soldats> which file the tetravex one
[06:00] <darkbladepdx> Yeah, gnotrex.desktop.
[06:02] <soldats> hmm well ive been doing some tests myself to help you and it seems that the files i had in my .local/share/applications were set to no display and if i deleted them they showed up in my menu
[06:02] <soldats> ive been trying to copy the files and edit them but it seems to not be working for me either
[06:03] <darkbladepdx> Oh, goody. I love gremlins. :)  Wait...??? When you _copy_ the files they don´t edit the menu???? But when you handmake them they do?
[06:05] <soldats> no i already had files that were edited and removed from the menu after installation so i deleted them and they showed up on the menu. but when i copy them to the dir and add the line nodisplay if isnt removing them from the menu. so basically i got the same problem you have now
[06:07] <darkbladepdx> OK...  :) Thatś an improvement.
[06:07] <darkbladepdx> WOuld the file permissions have anything to do with it, maybe?
[06:09] <darkbladepdx> So, now... the files (.desktops) were in both the /user/shared... tree and in your home tree, yes? With the Nodisplay only in the copy in your home tree?
[06:09] <soldats> no i dont think so since anything in usr/share/ is shareable throughout the system
[06:10] <darkbladepdx> yeah, and all the ones in /usr/shre are chmod 544....
[06:10] <soldats> yes correct, but the only way ive been able to remove them so far is to add the nodisplay line in the file in the /usr/share/ directory for system wide
[06:13] <darkbladepdx> But (before you began testing) originally there were the two nearly identical copies (/usr/share/.../yaddayadda and $HOME/.local../yaddayadda), with $HOME having NoDisplay=true and the other either no mention of NoDisplay or NoDisplay=false, correct?
[06:14] <soldats> yes
[06:15] <darkbladepdx> and for test you deleted the working existing $HOME file, which made the menu entries show up (btw, I presume w/ no X restart),a nd then when you copied the file from /usr/share back into $HOME and added/changed the NoDisplay, it was blithely ignored by the system?
[06:16] <soldats> true
[06:16] <soldats> very strange
[06:17] <darkbladepdx> Through an X restart and/or system reboot?
[06:17] <soldats> no restart necessary
[06:17] <soldats> sorry i told you to i was unsure at the moment
[06:18] <darkbladepdx> Yeah, and come to think of it, it wouldn´t make sense that you would have to. If you´re going to have user-custom environments, the system should recheck configs automatically as needed.
[06:19] <soldats> yea i dont know why i assumed that i was working with menu configs the other day ie. adding a quicklaunch to any folder in thunar through the menu
[06:19] <darkbladepdx> No, no worries about that. I wasn´t carping about it. Just double-checking my understanding of the situation. Been a tech guy for long enough that my fisrt two questions of myself when in a problem are 1) is it plugged in? 2) Is it turned on? :D
[06:20] <soldats> exactly i know what you mean
[06:20] <soldats> been doing this for a while myself
[06:20] <darkbladepdx> Heh. So we have an OS with a prankish sense of humor. Peachy.
[06:21] <soldats> check this out
[06:22] <soldats> so i added the nodisplay line to the licq.desktop file in /usr/share/applications and it was removed from the menu then i removed the line from the file and now it wont show back up
[06:22] <soldats> very strange
[06:23] <darkbladepdx> Sense of humor _and_ value judgements! I gotta meet this coder!
[06:23] <soldats> bah after 5 minutes of waiting the licq item just popped back into the menu
[06:24] <soldats> lag im sure
[06:24] <darkbladepdx> Well, for a second I was gonna suggest that it was time-dependent (some sort of semi-frequent cron-ish thing), but my test user was logged on for hours after the local change, so....
[06:25] <darkbladepdx> Wait a minute. It doesn´t read for the menu at the start of every display of it?
[06:27] <soldats> huh
[06:31] <darkbladepdx> Well, no luck with lag on my test user. (I figured it might be possible for long lag, running a P2 266 here.) .
[06:39] <darkbladepdx> Hmmm. I tried adding the NoDisplay to the main tetravex file... no luck, still in the menu.
[06:41] <soldats> hmm adding it to the mainfile worked for me but im still trying new things to get it to work
[06:44] <deformation> hello
[06:44] <deformation> i want to upgrade my acer travelmate laptop harddisk, anyone can give me an advice?
[06:45] <deformation> its a travelmate 292lci with M1.5GHz and 512 ram and 40Gb harddisk
[06:46] <deformation> i am planning to buy a 120gb harddisk, would that affect my laptop performance?
[06:46] <soldats> no but you need to make sure the disk will fit in the laptop
[06:47] <deformation> what do you mean by fit?
[06:47] <soldats> the bigger the hard drive is the thicker it is so it may not fit in the laptop case
[06:48] <deformation> oh, so if the dealer get the harddisk in and working while i am at their store that would be ok?
[06:48] <soldats> yes
[06:48] <deformation> i mean no slower xubuntu or slugish system?
[06:48] <soldats> shouldnt be
[06:48] <deformation> thank you soldats
[06:49] <deformation> oh 1 last question
[06:49] <deformation> what speed is the best for my laptop?
[06:49] <deformation> i mean the harddisk rpm
[06:49] <darkbladepdx> Deformation, I would think that all things being equal, faster is better.
[06:50] <deformation> should i go for the 7200?
[06:50] <soldats> im not sure about laptop speeds, id probly get the same speed as your 40gb to be safe but im sure if you upped the speed by maybe 1000 you should be fine
[06:50] <darkbladepdx> if you have the $$$. Thatś what always slows me down. :D
[06:50] <deformation> :D
[06:51] <deformation> thanks guys, i am going to buy one now
[06:51] <deformation> bye bye
[06:51] <darkbladepdx> IIRC in LINUX/UNIX, disk access speed is a bottleneck, since the system does rely on swap.
[06:54] <soldats> ahh
[06:55] <soldats> i hear some laptops dont perform well with too high of a speed
[06:57] <Cygnet> anyone around?
[06:57] <soldats> maybe
[06:57] <darkbladepdx> Really? Huh. Wonder why? That seems really counter-intuitive to me.
[06:58] <soldats> i herd they were getting really hot
[06:58] <Cygnet> I'm wondering how complicated of an operation it would be to install a new video card in this computer (which has intel integrated graphics)
[06:58] <Cygnet> I mean configuration wise, I'm sure physically installing the card is easy enough
[06:58] <darkbladepdx> Ahhhh, hmmm. So you need one o´ them Turbo-Kooler fans, eh? :)
[06:59] <soldats> yes
[06:59] <soldats> Cygnet, depends on what type you are installing there are many help pages to get videos cards running smoothly ie. nvidia or ati cards are fairly easy to configure
[07:01] <Cygnet> would the fact that I've got the intel graphics make things any more difficult or would it just be a matter of saying "use the new card plskthx"?
[07:04] <soldats> i believe once you install the new card you need to get the drivers for it make sure it detects it and get any necessary firmware and i think you need to tell it to use the new card, you may have to disable the integrated one but im not positive
[07:07] <Cygnet> would that be a command line kind of deal or can I do that with GUI?
[07:11] <soldats> you can use the restricted drivers gui in applications > system > restricted drivers
[07:13] <Cygnet> is there a GUI to choose which video card to use and disable the intel graphics if necessary?
[07:13] <soldats> darkbladepdx, man i still cant remove them from the menu in the ~/.local/share/applications dir and i can only remove them from /usr/share/applications
[07:15] <soldats> Cygnet, not sure about that, best bet is to ask over in #ubuntu since its more populated. more people over there have waaaaaay more experience with it than me. the comp i have now is a POS
[07:15] <soldats> so i havent dont that in a long tiem
[07:15] <darkbladepdx> SOldats, Thanks for all the hard work. At the moment itś gettin'late here (USA- PST). If you can recommend a forum or other info source I can post this situation onto Iĺl let you go (Yeah, I know, youĺl niggle at it anyway, but Iĺl try and let it go), Iĺl go make a noise on it tomorrow.
[07:15] <Cygnet> all right, thanks for your help :)
[07:16] <soldats> darkbladepdx, well its actually pissing me off that it doesnt work per user but ill fiddle with it some more
[07:17] <soldats> im always availiable to help
[07:18] <darkbladepdx> Yeah, beleive me, I know what you mean. Been annoyed at it for a week now. LOL. I think Iĺl dig up that xubuntu forum I saw the original answer on and post a whine at ém. Serve ´em right. *chuckle*
[07:19] <soldats> lol good luck
[07:20] <darkbladepdx> Thanks. TTYL. And if I get any joy, Iĺl be sure and tell you.
[07:20] <soldats> nice
[08:55] <neur1> does someone know of the tar that can fix an ibm sound?
[11:02] <Phre> hi guys
[11:03] <Phre> there's anyone here compile xfce 4.4.2?
[11:04] <Phre> none?
[11:04] <soldats> hmm
[11:04] <soldats> for xubuntu
[11:05] <soldats> http://www.xfce.org/download/
[11:05] <Phre> yeah
[11:05] <soldats> i dont thinks its availiable for xubuntu et
[11:05] <soldats> yet
[11:05] <Phre> yes i know
[11:05] <Phre> in fact my question is another ^^
[11:05] <Phre> if anyone build the sources! ^^
[11:06] <soldats> well i havent yet but i will soon to test with xubuntu
[11:06] <soldats> find bugs and whatnot
[11:06] <Phre> ok
[11:07] <soldats> sorry, this place is slow today
[11:07] <soldats> wish i could help though
[11:08] <Phre> thx! ;)
[11:29] <Nate__> hey
[11:29] <soldats> hey
[11:29] <Nate__> I had an idea to distribute xubuntu easily
[11:30] <Nate__> If you could download a zipped version, the download speed would be reduced dramaticly
[11:52] <maploin> how can i remove xubuntu-desktop? and go back to plain old ubuntu without xfce4 and everything the xubuntu-desktop metapackage contains?
[11:59] <TheSheep> maploin: just remove it and then do autoremove
[12:03] <maploin> apt-get autoremove finds nothing worth removing
[12:04] <maploin> after i removed xubuntu-desktop
[12:13] <TheSheep> maploin: you do it with the same program you used to install it?
[12:13] <maploin> that might be a problem
[12:13] <maploin> i installed it using aptitude
[12:14] <maploin> and i checked for autoremove in it's man page, but i can't find it
[12:14] <maploin> so i tried apt-get autoremove
[12:14] <maploin> is there any equivalent autoremove in aptitude?
[12:14] <TheSheep> aptitude has a separate database for that
[12:14] <TheSheep> auskadian: should be the same
[14:26] <auskadian> TheSheep, ?????????????????????????????????
[14:36] <TheSheep> auskadian: wrong nick, sorry
[14:37] <R[a]ndom> thats a lot of question marks
[14:39] <auskadian> ok
[14:51] <fifafrazer> Hey!
[14:51] <vinze> Hey fifafrazer
[14:53] <fifafrazer> I got a canon powershot s5is digital camera with USB connection.. Isn't default xubuntu supposed to automount the device when it is plugged in?
[14:53] <vinze> I believe it should, yes
[14:53] <vinze> Does it recognise the camera at all?
[14:54] <fifafrazer> It shows up in the 'lsusb' as 'Bus 004 Device 005: ID 04a9:3148 Canon, Inc.' but nothing happens
[14:54] <vinze> It's also not listed in Thunar's side pane?
[14:54] <fifafrazer> no
[14:55] <vinze> Hmm... The same happens with my sister's music player, have found no solution still...
[14:55] <vinze> Though sometimes it will work if I plug in another USB device
[14:55] <fifafrazer> It recognices my mp3 player and automounts it, but not the camera
[14:56] <vinze> You could try plugging in the camera first and then the MP3 player, but even if that'd work it's still extremely annoying :(
[14:59] <fifafrazer> hmm.. I can see in the Thunar volman config GUI, the "Import digital photographs when connected" is unticked, but if I tick it, I have to specify the command it will use to import the photos, and here I'm lost. It would be a lot easier if the camera was just recognized as a storage device.
[15:00] <vinze> fifafrazer, yeah, that's what it's supposed to do - if it doesn't do that, it also won't be able to import your photo's
[15:00] <vinze> Anyway, gotta go, good luck with your problem
[15:06] <fifafrazer> i've found a workaround.. I can import the photos using gthumb, but what if I wanted to store some data files on the camera?
[15:24] <ciro314> how to install flash plugin on firefox ¿?
[15:28] <stone[no]> ciro314: I beleive you can search for flash plugin non-free
[15:28] <ciro314> stone, i have installed flash plugin but i can not watch youtube videos
[15:30] <stone[no]> Go to http://www.adobe.com/products/flash/about/ and check that it is propperly installed. It should report your version.
[15:33] <ciro314> ok.thanks
[16:51] <somerville32> There is a bug with flash
[16:51] <somerville32> You need to install the package from -proposed
[16:51] <somerville32> As for the camera, not all cameras list as removable media
[16:52] <somerville32> We've of course compiled Xfce 4.4.2 and it is available in Hardy
[17:45] <march> cu
[19:48] <slow-motion> hi
[19:49] <soldats> ...
[19:51] <grout> what can i use to browse the network in xubuntu?
[19:52] <soldats> !samba
[19:52] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[19:52] <totalawayforthew> grout: fusesmb works like a charm
[19:52] <grout> thanks
[19:53] <stone[no]> totalawayforthew: Does fusesmb integrate with thunar?
[19:53] <totalawayforthew> grout: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304131
[19:54] <totalawayforthew> stone[no]: yes, it mounts the network, so you can browse to the mountpoint nativly
[19:54] <grout> Thanks
[19:54] <totalawayforthew> *^_^*
[19:54] <totalawayforthew> also check fusesmb.cache, may be usefull to refresh the mountpoint now and then
[19:55] <totalawayforthew> you can just make a launcher pointing to fusesmb.cache :]
[21:41] <Fryguy--> I'm considering using xubuntu over ubuntu on a somewhat lower end system (celeron 2.4ghz with 256mb ram).  It's also for a family member who isn't very computer literate, so I'd like to not give up a lot of the stuff that gnome has to offer.  Anyways, does anyone have any good examples comparing performance of xubuntu over ubuntu on low-midrange machines?
[21:41] <somerville32> :S
[21:41] <somerville32> 2.4Ghz w/ 256mb of ram is a low end system?! :(
[21:41] <Fryguy--> somerville32: midrange i guess
[21:41] <somerville32> I'm running a 333mhz w/ 192mb of ram
[21:42] <Qatz> 256 megs ram makes it lower end
[21:42] <somerville32> Fryguy--, Just put more ram in it and install Ubuntu
[21:42] <Qatz> the cpu is fine
[21:42] <Qatz> I'm on a 900mhz system atm
[21:42] <Fryguy--> My question is 2-fold:  how much of the "gnome luxuries" would I be giving up by using xubuntu (remember, non-computer literate people, so if things don't "just work" it's gonna be bad)
[21:42] <Qatz> eeepc thinking about putting xubuntu on it
[21:42] <Fryguy--> and how slow will a base ubuntu install (with compiz and stuff turned off) run
[21:45] <soldats> compiz doesnt come preinstalled
[21:46] <somerville32> soldats, It does with Ubuntu
[21:46] <soldats> really
[21:46] <soldats> never noticed i used it for like a month
[21:46] <somerville32> You need to enable it
[21:47] <soldats> ahh
[21:49] <Fryguy--> parts of it are enabled by default IIRC
[21:49] <somerville32> If your card supports it
[22:18] <scotta316> Hi all. Can someone tell me why Python starts when I boot up? It uses 100% of my processor until I kill it.
[22:25] <TheSheep> scotta316: many programs in xubuntu are written in python
[22:25] <TheSheep> scotta316: you need to see what is after the 'python' in the command line
[22:28] <scotta316> Where would I look for that?
[22:31] <TheSheep> scotta316: ps auxwww | grep python
[22:31] <TheSheep> scotta316: from the command line
[22:35] <scotta316> I don't even understand what that command does, but here's what it says: python /usr/share/system-config-printer/applet.py
[22:36] <scotta316> I think my printing still works after I kill python.
[22:36] <TheSheep> scotta316: ok, so it's the printer configuration applet
[22:37] <TheSheep> scotta316: it's the little htingie that displays a pronter icon when you print, I think
[22:37] <scotta316> What's ps?  It looks familiar, but I forget.
[22:37] <TheSheep> printer
[22:37] <TheSheep> scotta316: it displays a list of processes
[22:37] <scotta316> Oh, of course.  And auxwww?  That's a new one on me.
[22:48] <scotta316> TheSheep: What's auxwww?  That's a new one on me?
[22:49] <TheSheep> scotta316: a set of flags that makes the information displayed pretty complete and detailed, I'm using it for so long now that I forgot what each of them does
[22:49] <TheSheep> scotta316: you can check them by typing 'man ps'
[22:49] <scotta316> TheSheep: thanks.
[22:49] <scotta316> TheSheep: Now at least I know where to start looking.
[22:50] <scotta316> TheSheep: probably something to do with a printer I have installed, but not connected right now.
[22:51] <TheSheep> scotta316: that's the process that had 100% cpu, right?
[22:51] <TheSheep> scotta316: there may be many innocent python scripts running...
[22:52] <scotta316> TheSheep: Well, python had the highest usage, and the total was 100%.  Killing python fixed it, but I see it is running again without any problems.
[22:54] <scotta316> TheSheep: I am having a small problem right now with the Ubuntu Help Center not wanting to exit, and I don't know which process to kill for that.
[22:55] <shad_> what is Alpha2
[23:02] <march> gn8
[23:20] <bur[n]er> eeeXubuntu kicks ass :)
[23:22] <somerville32> hmm?
[23:22] <bur[n]er> eeeXubuntu == xubuntu for the eeepc
[23:22] <somerville32> bur[n]er, link?
[23:23] <bur[n]er> uhh.. buranen.info i just blogged about it ;)
[23:23] <somerville32> You have one?
[23:23] <scotta316> bur[n]er: what's an eeepc?
[23:23] <bur[n]er> scotta316: the #1 seller at amazon
[23:24] <bur[n]er> somerville32: yeah, it's awesome
[23:24] <bur[n]er> i'm on it now
[23:24] <bur[n]er> irssi via ssh to my server :)
[23:25] <shad_> utra small laptop <scotta316>
[23:25] <shad_> *ultra :/
[23:26] <bur[n]er> uber even
[23:26] <shad_> ffor sure!
[23:26] <bur[n]er> somerville32: find the link through my blog spam? ;)  http://wiki.eeeuser.com/ubuntu:eeexubuntu:home if you haven't
[23:27] <scotta316> Which linux comes preloaded on it?
[23:28] <shad_> xandros
[23:29] <bur[n]er> yeah, a hacked up xandros with a crazy eeepc-specific gui on top
[23:29] <somerville32> It looks like eeeXubuntu violates the GPL :/
[23:29] <bur[n]er> oh yeah?
[23:30] <bur[n]er> i bet it's inadvertent.... sonds like the creator is a big ubuntu fan
[23:30] <somerville32> I don't see where I can download the source
[23:30] <scotta316> Are these the ones I saw where each one you buy buys one for a student in another country?
[23:30] <somerville32> no
[23:31] <shad_> that's OLPC
[23:33] <bur[n]er> somerville32: i bet an email to the eeeXubuntu dev would clear things up
[23:33] <somerville32> bur[n]er, Are you registered on the forum there?
[23:33] <bur[n]er> somerville32: as far as I know though, it's just Xubuntu with some patched drivers for the asus hardware and an application to make a usb boot device
[23:33] <bur[n]er> somerville32: i am
[23:34] <bur[n]er> i'm down to ask for the source :)  i'll do it now
[23:34] <somerville32> bur[n]er, Can you give me his e-mail address or e-mail him yourself asking him to get in contact with me?
[23:34] <somerville32> :)
[23:34] <somerville32> I
[23:34] <somerville32> *I'd also love to work with him
[23:34] <somerville32> Help him out anyway we can and hopefully utilize some of his changes
[23:34] <bur[n]er> i think he would as well...  ideally there is no need for eeexubuntu and all changes are merged upstream
[23:34] <bur[n]er> yeah
[23:34] <bur[n]er> cool
[23:35] <bur[n]er> uhh... i can send him a pm on the forum, how should I tell him to contact you?
[23:35] <bur[n]er> http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=5005 is the main forum post
[23:36] <somerville32><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:37] <bur[n]er> i'm composing the email now
[23:37] <scotta316> What's the target audience for the eeepc?  It wouldn't be used for a main pc, would it?
[23:37] <bur[n]er> scotta316: could be, why not if you had an external keyboard and mouse
[23:37] <bur[n]er> and external display
[23:38] <scotta316> Does it require wifi all the time?
[23:38]  * bur[n]er uses it as a secondary PC to drag around everywhere I go with a nice powerful Ubuntu desktop at home
[23:38] <bur[n]er> there's an ethernet port
[23:38] <bur[n]er> and 3 usb ports
[23:40] <scotta316> well I want one.
[23:40] <shad_> 8 gig ver is coming soon :)
[23:41] <bur[n]er> i got the 4 gig without the webcam for $350 at newegg
[23:41] <scotta316> Believe me, it's got to me more powerful than this relic I'm using.
[23:42] <scotta316> How often do you wind it up?
[23:42] <bur[n]er> lol
[23:42] <bur[n]er> never
[23:42] <bur[n]er> i can't
[23:42] <bur[n]er> there is no winding
[23:43] <bur[n]er> this is not the OLPC
[23:43] <scotta316> punch cards?
[23:43] <bur[n]er> wtf?
[23:43] <scotta316> never mind.
[23:43] <scotta316> I have to keep buying new hamsters to keep mine running.
[23:43] <bur[n]er> it does only take 16 watts of power too :)
[23:43] <bur[n]er> i just hit power to get mine running :P
[23:44] <shad_> lol...got my gOS from Newegg for $199.00...now running Xubuntu :)
[23:45] <bur[n]er> seriously?
[23:46] <shad_> aka WallyWorld Special
[23:46] <shad_> yes
[23:46] <bur[n]er> yeah, i thought they were only available from the anti-americans
[23:46] <shad_> nah
[23:47] <bur[n]er> speaking of the gOS folks at everex, see their answer to the eeepc?  it's the "cloudbook"
[23:47] <shad_> knew they had something in the works
[23:47] <bur[n]er> i prefer teh flash storage on the eeepc to a hard drive, but to each their own
[23:48] <shad_> me too
[23:49] <bur[n]er> back to xubuntu stuff, is hardy going to incorporate displayconfig-gtk stuff in xubuntu as well as ubuntu?
[23:49] <bur[n]er> i really wish to have easy config of an external display on this thing
[23:54] <somerville32> bur[n]er, I imagine
[23:54] <somerville32> bur[n]er, I'll look at it atleast :]
[23:54] <bur[n]er> somerville32: you're my hero.  i sent an email to "oasisbob" about teh eeeXubuntu source and contacting you
[23:54] <somerville32> Awesome. thanks.
[23:55] <bur[n]er> thank you for the interest and for helping make xubuntu as bad ass as it is :)
[23:55] <bur[n]er> now to get Mr. Ben of Xfce to incorporate samba into thunar
[23:56] <somerville32> :)


[12:25] <jldugger> fun. suspend-to-ram almost worked
[12:25] <jldugger> went down, came back up, but everything is bitching about io errors
[12:36] <SpacePuppy> cool.. whatmodel?
[12:37] <jldugger> toshiba tecra m7
[02:48] <esac> anybody ak for a possibly simple dapper question
[09:14] <Infecto> somebady responsible for kernel sitting in here sometimes ?
[09:16] <jldugger> maybe you're looking for #ubuntu-kernel
[09:16] <jldugger> but i think a few of the kernel guys do exist here
[09:16] <jldugger> (mjg comes to mind)
[09:17] <Infecto> i`v got problems wit fan after suspend on my laptop
[09:18] <Infecto> and i want to ask somebody
[09:24] <mdke_> Infecto: best option is a bug report
[09:35] <Infecto> "linux-image-2.6.17-10-generic 2.6.17-10.29" does not exist in Ubuntu. Please choose a different package. If you're unsure, please select "I don't know"
[09:35] <Infecto> hmmm
[09:54] <giftnudel> take linux-source-2.6.17


[14:35] <prokoudine> hi folks
[14:36] <prokoudine> looks like there is something wrong with your brand colors :)
[14:36] <prokoudine> in PDF they are not what they really are
[14:36] <prokoudine> the codes are all right
[14:37] <prokoudine> but the samples are all off
[14:38] <prokoudine> E.g. Ubuntu Orange is #DD4814 which is right when you pick it from the original Pantone 1665
[14:38] <prokoudine> But the color patch in the PDF is actually #F47421
[14:39] <prokoudine> And earlier in the same PDF there is a photo of all color patches printed
[14:39] <prokoudine> And it has the right colors again :)
[14:47] <thorwil> prokoudine: afair that's some funny color management stuff that supposedly looks fine on macs
[17:25] <daker> prokoudine, the colors on a PC are not like on Mac


[02:30] <ubotu> New bug: #87947 in libx11 (main) "xcb_xlib.c:50: xcb_xlib_unlock: Assertion `c->xlib.lock' failed." [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87947
[06:46] <ubotu> New bug: #119738 in update-manager (main) "dapper->edgy upgrade fails due to conflict betwen x11-common and opera (dup-of: 67996)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119738
[06:48] <ubotu> New bug: #119329 in xorg (main) "Can not configure higher display resolution and refresh rate" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119329
[10:20] <ubotu> New bug: #16429 in Baltix (main) "missing 100 hz refresh rate in the "Screen Resolution Preferences"" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/16429
[10:36] <ubotu> New bug: #45383 in Ubuntu "X crashes after resume in Dapper " [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/45383
[12:00] <ubotu> New bug: #119811 in xorg (main) "sis driver not support 1280x1024@75 " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119811
[07:40] <ubotu> New bug: #40398 in xorg (main) "Adding extra graphics cards; kubuntu won't start X11" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/40398
[07:55] <ubotu> New bug: #119894 in xserver-xorg-input-aiptek (universe) "Please sync xserver-xorg-input-aiptek (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119894
[09:45] <ubotu> New bug: #9525 in xserver-xorg-video-i810 (main) "i8xx: catch-all for terrible VBE implementations" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9525
[10:32] <ubotu> New bug: #99411 in libxaw (main) "timidity crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99411


[16:26] <Ubulette> rhelmer, fullerscreen has been updated. prefs ui is fixed
[16:26] <Ubulette> rhelmer, now, prism shows: Error: window.opener.opener.document.getElementById("navigator-toolbox") is null. Source File: chrome://fullerscreen/content/fs_prefs.js Line: 42
[16:27] <Ubulette> which i guess is expected
[17:15]  * armin76 yawns
[17:29] <bluekuja> hi armin76
[17:29] <bluekuja> are you still around?
[17:31] <armin76> yup
[17:31] <Ubulette> bluekuja, so ?
[17:31] <bluekuja> Ubulette, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/2170/
[17:32] <Ubulette> bluekuja, all the iceape*_all.deb and mozilla*_all.deb are dummy transitional packages (empty)
[17:33] <bluekuja> Ubulette, are they needed?
[17:33] <bluekuja> Ubulette, I mean now if this package gets uploaded
[17:33] <bluekuja> it will install them as well
[17:33] <bluekuja> I don't think it's good
[17:34] <Ubulette> this is required for the iceape->seamonkey migration and the previously missed mozilla->iceape migration that I fixed as mozilla->seamonkey
[17:34] <Ubulette> asac wanted that
[17:37] <bluekuja> it should be noted that they are just transitional packages then
[17:37] <bluekuja> maybe in the package description
[17:40] <bluekuja> but we may wait asac to hear what he thinks about that
[17:40] <bluekuja> anyway it builds fine
[17:44] <Ubulette> I just reused the wording from debian that has been dropped in ubuntu
[17:48] <Ubulette> bluekuja, why do you want to wait ? just read the logs of this channel from two weeks ago
[17:48] <Ubulette> Nov 07 20:40:37
[17:48] <bluekuja> Ubulette, usually dummy packages
[17:49] <bluekuja> got a description that explains
[17:49] <bluekuja> they are empty and so on
[17:49] <bluekuja> from what I see here, it seems they are like normal packages
[17:49] <bluekuja> with content
[17:49] <Ubulette> i know. i've done those for ff3 from ff-trunk and ff-grandparadiso but here, I've just reused the debian stuff for control
[17:50] <Ubulette> so it matches with current debian iceape
[17:50] <Ubulette> sure I can improve but if it's good enough for debian, it should be for you
[17:51] <bluekuja> are they transitional for Debian as well?
[17:54] <bluekuja> Ubulette, ^^
[17:55] <Ubulette> Nov 07 20:47:58 <Ubulette>      i dont remember me dropping them, it has been dropped earlier
[17:55] <Ubulette> Nov 07 20:48:49 <asac>  hmm ... oh yeah ... thats then a bug of gnomefreak ... e.g. debian dropped them becausethey  already did that transition
[17:55] <Ubulette> Nov 07 20:49:05 <asac>  and gnomefreak probably didn't readd them
[17:55] <Ubulette> Nov 07 20:49:22 <Ubulette>      so ?
[17:55] <Ubulette> Nov 07 20:49:49 <asac>  either readd them or file a detailed bug against update-manager :) ... e.g. which packages need to migrate to which
[17:55] <Ubulette> Nov 07 20:49:57 <asac>  or bug gnomefreak to add them ;)
[17:55] <Ubulette> bluekuja, ^^ see ?
[17:56] <bluekuja> so Debian already did the transition
[17:56] <Ubulette> yes
[17:56] <bluekuja> mm..
[17:56] <Ubulette> debian did the mozilla-* -> iceape-*
[17:56] <bluekuja> yes
[17:57] <Ubulette> i did mozilla-* + iceape-* => seamonkey-* based on the same scheme
[17:57] <bluekuja> Ubulette, did Debian add some special transitional descriptions when they did the transition?
[17:57] <bluekuja> e.g (dummy package)
[17:57] <bluekuja> and so on
[17:58] <Ubulette> maybe my english is bad. "I did reuse the exact same debian/control file for those packages"
[17:58] <bluekuja> understood
[18:00] <bluekuja> Ubulette, checking lintian
[18:01] <bluekuja> Ubulette, W: seamonkey-mailnews: extended-description-line-too-long
[18:01] <bluekuja> but we can skip that
[18:01] <bluekuja> :)
[18:01] <bluekuja> and W: seamonkey-chatzilla: extended-description-line-too-long
[18:01] <bluekuja> damn
[18:01] <bluekuja> W: seamonkey-browser: postinst-has-useless-call-to-ldconfig
[18:01] <Ubulette> nope, it doesn't
[18:02] <bluekuja> lintian is crazy then
[18:02] <bluekuja> :)
[18:02] <Ubulette> just look, you'll see it doesn't
[18:03] <bluekuja> true
[18:03] <bluekuja> crazy then
[18:04] <bluekuja> I'm going to have dinner now
[18:04] <bluekuja> then I'm off for sport
[18:04] <bluekuja> the package looks fine
[18:04] <bluekuja> I need to do some more tests
[18:04] <Ubulette> so ?
[18:04] <Ubulette> ok
[18:04] <bluekuja> and then I upload it
[18:04] <bluekuja> ;)
[18:04] <bluekuja> need to see dest paths
[18:04] <bluekuja> build it on hardy
[18:04] <bluekuja> and so on
[18:05] <Ubulette> please don't disappear for days :)
[18:05] <bluekuja> lol
[18:05] <bluekuja> I had really a lot to do this week
[18:05] <bluekuja> :)
[18:05] <bluekuja> but please remind me
[18:05] <bluekuja> when you see I'm up
[18:05] <bluekuja> :)
[18:07] <Ubulette> i know you're busy but if you don't intend to finish it, please tell me so I can ask someone else. no offense but it's been blocked for a while now.
[18:08] <Ubulette> that was my 1st request for sponsoring, it's still not in while I now have 4 other packages in as big as this one.
[18:11] <Ubulette> bluekuja, ^^, and I'd hate to see the next upstream release out before this gets in. I'd have work for nothing.
[18:36] <gnomefreak> i cant see real good the drops they gave me i found out im allergic to. Ubulette you cant add nobinonly to gutsy and you cant change iceape -> seamonkey in gutsy, why did you do iceape at all since i already did it and pushed it to review?


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