[12:24] <savvas> restless_user: you'll probably have to chroot your way to fix it
[12:24] <savvas> !chroot
[12:24] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[12:24] <savvas> hm..
[12:24] <savvas> !grub
[12:24] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[12:24] <tomkirby> can anyone help me optimize the performance of a SATA disk with sdparm or similar?
[12:24] <|DuReX|> restless_user: hal doesn't work maby, but try ifup eth0
[12:24] <|DuReX|> should just work :p
[12:25] <penper> today when I started my computer the resolution was at 640x480 and it can't go up any higher. I'm running Hardy and the nvidia 169.12 driver
[12:25] <|DuReX|> then u have inet :p
[12:25] <billisnice> is hardy delayed for 3 months?
[12:25] <savvas> yeah
[12:26] <billisnice> what will the new month be?
[12:26] <savvas> count :)
[12:26] <billisnice> lol
[12:26] <restless_user> ubotu i didn't lose grub and i am on 32bit hardy i tried sudo -configure -a but that didn't seem to do anything after a reboot
[12:27] <savvas> billisnice: i'm just kidding, the 3-month delay was an april fools joke
[12:27] <billisnice> ok
[12:27] <Dr_willis> but the unicorn wallpaper is official!
[12:27] <billisnice> you had me
[12:27] <billisnice> lol
[12:27] <billisnice> i like the bird
[12:27] <savvas> what unicorn? :P
[12:27] <billisnice> is that what it is?
[12:28] <savvas> no the bird was a heron ;p
[12:28] <billisnice> ok
[12:28] <billisnice> better than the previous ones
[12:29] <savvas> Dr_willis: link?
[12:30] <rinaldi_> "shared folders" in administration has gone, accidently uninstalled it. what is the name of the package so I can get it back?
[12:30] <Dr_willis> savvas,  :)
[12:30] <savvas> :P
[12:31] <savvas> darn
[12:31] <savvas> got me there ;p
[12:31] <savvas> it's the 5th of april though
[12:31] <savvas> one day after the establishment of microsoft ;)
[12:31] <begor> hi
[12:32] <begor> english or someone who speaks german=
[12:32] <begor> ?
[12:33] <rinaldi_> anyone know the package name for "shared folders" in administration?
[12:34] <savvas> rinaldi_: what administration? what shared folderS?
[12:34] <T1m0thy> Having 'update-notifier' in my Openbox boot script should bring me updates right?
[12:35] <penper> where do I configure which driver to load? I think it's loading the 'nv' display driver but I want to load the 'nvidia' one
[12:35] <rinaldi_> savvas: you know "shared folders" in system > administration. it isnt there and it was a little while ago. is it not in hardy?
[12:36] <savvas> rinaldi_: i don't see such a thing, sorry :\
[12:37] <rinaldi_> savvas: so it isn't in hardy yet I guess. it was in 7.10 though... anyone know?
[12:38] <Dr_willis> penper,  i installed the nvidia-glx package and used the restricted-manager tool to enavble the nvida driver
[12:41] <penper> Dr_willis: I tried that. It works. It loads. But I keep getting troubles with it (getting low resolutions only) so I'm trying to install a previous version than the one the restricted-manager laods
[12:42] <dns53> run nvidia-xconfig to generate an xorg.conf
[12:43] <penper> dns53: thanks, I'll try that
[12:44] <Impy> does firefox keep crashing lots for everyone else?
[12:47] <jcarey75> impy, for me it's been pretty stable, I have had some slowdowns, but it's been related to something else and firefox has come back after a bit
[12:47] <Impy> :o
[12:48] <Impy> mine keeps closing when trying to watch youtube videos and even when i click sign in to ebay :(
[12:49] <zniavre> http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/1819/hardy1qw0.jpg
[12:49] <zniavre> oops sorry too fast and wrong clic
[12:50] <jcarey75> I'm on hardy amd64 with flash-nonfree installed, both sited work fine, but I've had several installs...gutsy / hardy  32 / 64 with varying results
[12:51] <jcarey75> zniarvre, no prob, I checked it out, what version of avant are you using? and the dock on the side?  very nice setup
[12:52] <jcarey75> oops meant zniavre
[12:52] <zniavre> from trunk
[12:53] <zniavre> bzr i guess
[12:53] <jcarey75> cool, thanks
[12:54] <zniavre> there is an hardy repository somewhere in their website
[12:56] <zylche> 7.10 --> 8.04 Distribution Upgrade, I think the upgrade client is frozen, "Preparing to upgrade, Checking package manager"
[12:56] <jcarey75> I'm checking it out now, actually have all kinds of things open researching awn, I've had some problems with previous installs.
[13:00] <zylche> Is this a known bug, or am I just being impatient?
[13:02] <Lynoure> zylche: have they even started making the upgrade client do these upgrades? Last I asked about it, the answer seemed to be it happens couple of days before the release
[13:02] <zylche> ...Good point, I did get it downloaded and the upgrade client runs, it just falls at the first hurdle..
[13:03] <zylche> I saw the 8.04 upgrade page in the wiki, and it mentioned uses it.
[13:05] <Lynoure> zylche: hmm, I'm on kubuntu side, so could be different
[13:05] <Lynoure> I assume most just do apt-get dist-upgrade after modifying the sources.list
[13:05] <zylche> hrm. Anyone here actually upgrade from ubuntu 7.10 then?
[13:06] <zylche> Yeah, I guess I'll have to manually modify that -_-
[13:15] <billisnice> i need to change the computer monitor, the default locks me in high resolution.  Where do i find the monitors to change? ty
[13:17] <|DuReX|> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/209971
[13:17] <|DuReX|> :p
[13:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 209971 in linux "[Hardy Regression] cx22702 no longer works" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[13:20] <zniavre> jcarey75: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/awn-testing/ubuntu hardy main   it's the development repos for hardy there is trunk and testing in same repository (im using trunk one)
[13:24] <jcarey75> zniavre: after you mentioned trunk, I installed from the repositories (.2.1), turns out, I had been using an older version before.  I'm customizing the launchers and look now, thanks for the added info.
[13:24] <zniavre> ok
[14:03] <jaffarkelshac> my mount points is annoying me, everytime i mount a _ is added to it. now is /media/hdd_________
[14:03] <jaffarkelshac> how do i stop this
[14:09] <ptr771> hi. i'm not about to boot into -14 or -15 having updated to them and restarted, getting a grub error 15: file not found, but I've checked all the files and they look fine to me. Has anyone else seen this problem?
[14:09] <erle-> has anyone in here tried kexec once?
[14:09] <ptr771> that should be "not able to boot"
[14:11] <dns53> grub can have problems when the kernel is located in a partition too deep in the disk
[14:11] <dns53> you could have a /boot partition on at the start of the drive
[14:12] <ptr771> I'm using a vanilla 8.04 install and this porblem has just occurred after an automatic update - I haven't touched anything manually -- my -12 kernel works fine thankfully an dis in the same place.
[14:14] <|DuReX|> seems like there is a problem with HAL
[14:15] <|DuReX|> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/209971
[14:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 209971 in linux "[Hardy Regression] cx22702 no longer works" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[14:16] <ptr771> Yes it did same something like : I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that. ;)
[14:20] <zever> Hello all, i'm planning to do an LTS upgrade (desktop install), are there some issues I should watch out for?
[14:21] <rinaldi1> zever:  i had a lot of problems with nvidia drivers, not sure if they fixed it. Was a big problem
[14:23] <rinaldi1> zever: i am waiting another 19 days to upgrade my other one, when the stable release is
[14:25] <zever> rinaldi1, ok, i probably should wait too, i hope they solved the nvidia problem by then
[14:30] <derspankster> I am waiting for final on my desktop. I'm running the beta on this laptop without many issues but my desktop has a nvidia card and I can't risk it.
[14:31] <rinaldi1> derspankster: i risked it with another pc, but nvidia-glx-new messed it up. Fresh install worked fine though
[14:32] <Turski> nvidia driver works fine
[14:32] <derspankster> I do work on my desktop so I don't want to take any chances
[14:33] <zever> I also have all my schoolwork on this desktop
[14:33] <zever> Turski, which Nvidia card do you have?
[14:34] <Turski> zever: 8800GT
[14:34] <orvokki> Nvidia-glx-new should work fine with -rt kernels with Hardy. <3
[14:34] <derspankster> Java is not working for me on my laptop and FF3 is a crash magnet right now as well.
[14:35] <Turski> FF3 works fine for me
[14:35] <derspankster> Turski: there are many reported bugs in FF3
[14:36] <rinaldi1> yes i get a lot of crashed, particularly with multiple tabs
[14:36] <derspankster> especially after kernal <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:36] <Turski> maybe, but i haven't noticed hardly any
[14:36] <Turski> but i just updated to 2.6.24-15 and now this feels slower :/
[14:36] <bod_> hey guys, when hardy is released will i have to do a full install again or will i just get all the updates through the update manager?
[14:36] <Turski> at least boot felt
[14:37] <rinaldi1> bod_: it will update
[14:37] <penguin42> I have audio problems with non-gnome apps not being able to open /dev/snd/pcm* saying that it's busy - I've not seen that in YEARS - lsof shows pulseaudio has them open; how does one make non-pulse audio apps work?
[14:37] <derspankster> bod_: personally, I'm doing a reinstall but you don't have to
[14:38] <bod_> rinaldi1, cool, thanks dude,.,. erm, did anyone else havee problems with their system clock after the DST ?
[14:38] <jbroome> i have a seperate /home so I may just reinstall too.  depends
[14:40] <Sergeant_Pony> what file allows one to look at the soundcard info?
[14:54] <jk_> how can i open/read files via ssh so far only text files
[14:55] <nosrednaekim> jk_: nano,less, vim
[14:56] <|DuReX|> pico
[14:56] <|DuReX|> vi
[14:56] <|DuReX|> :p
[14:56] <|DuReX|> emacs
[14:56] <|DuReX|> :p
[14:56] <penguin42> cat
[14:59] <penguin42> so no one else having problems with sound device being busy'?
[15:00] <derspankster> penguin42: sorry, no
[15:01] <penguin42> thanks for replying
[15:01] <penguin42> it's most annoying - realplayer, mplayer, and amarok can't do anything
[15:01] <jk_> nosrednaekim, that only read.open text files dont they
[15:01] <nosrednaekim> eh?
[15:04] <jk_> penguin42, what do you mean it cant do anthing
[15:05] <penguin42> jk_: I'm getting errors saying the audio device is busy or that they can't open it
[15:06] <Sergeant_Pony> i tried apt-get install alsamixer and got "couldn't find package alsamixer"
[15:07] <jk_> its your sound card/module then penguin42
[15:07] <penguin42> Sebastian: It seems to be in alsa-utils
[15:08] <penguin42> jk_: Well I have pulse audio/rhythmbox running at the moment and that's fine - so the device is OK, it's just lost the ability to share the device
[15:08] <derspankster> penguin: do you have a volume control?
[15:08] <penguin42> nod
[15:08] <derspankster> *penguin42
[15:09] <derspankster> yes?
[15:09] <penguin42> yes
[15:09] <penguin42> It doesn't work well though since Hardy - it looks like it hasn't got the right mixer channels
[15:09] <derspankster> when you double-click it, what do you see?
[15:10] <penguin42> derspankster: It shows as Realtek ALC861 (OSS Mixer) and shows just a playback tab with Volume, Line-in, Microphone and CD
[15:10] <conb123> im having trouble in ubuntu 8.04 with 2.6.24-12-generic kernel i hear a looping kind of beeping sound it sort of resembles the first split second of the startup sound
[15:10] <conb123> oops
[15:10] <conb123> sorry
[15:10] <derspankster> penguin42: do you have the option of changing that?
[15:11] <penguin42> derspankster: Changing what?
[15:11] <penguin42> The mixer type?
[15:11] <conb123> any ideas guys
[15:11] <derspankster> under file -yes
[15:11] <conb123> its very irritating
[15:12] <penguin42> derspankster: Yeh, I see 3 pulse audio mixers - that are one slider each
[15:12] <derspankster> penguin42: and no alsa?
[15:13] <derspankster> penguin42: just trying to understand what you're seeing
[15:14] <penguin42> derspankster: Correct; the 4 are labelled Realtek ALC861 (OSS Mixer), Playback ALSA PCM on front 0 via DMA (Pulseaudio mixer) and then 2 others for capture
[15:15] <penguin42> derspankster: The 2 capture ones are also pulseaudo mixers 'Monitor source of ALSA PCM on Front 0 (ALC861 Analogue via DAM (Pulseaudio mixer)
[15:16] <penguin42> and another the same except without 'Monitor source' - sorry that's a bit difficult; I can only see them with the menu up and I don't have focus so I can't type them then!
[15:17] <derspankster> penguin42: did you upgrade to Hardy or do a new install?
[15:17] <penguin42> derspankster: Are you curious about what I'm seeing on the account of the wrong mixer channels or the 'busy'?  It's an upgrade from a working Gutsy as of last week
[15:18] <penguin42> I've done an upgrade today but not yet rebooted
[15:18] <penguin42> sorry, update today
[15:18] <penguin42> derspankster: lsof on /dev/snd/* is showing them all opened by pulseaudio
[15:19] <penguin42> are there any pulseaudio tools/stuff
[15:19] <arachnist> pavucontrol?
[15:20]  * penguin42 finds pactl/pacmd/padsp
[15:21] <derspankster> penguin42: audio works for me regardless of mixer enabled - hmmm?
[15:22] <penguin42> derspankster: well I seem to be playing audio via rhythmbox somehow - I'm not sure if it's going via pulseaudio (it's not the standard rhythmbox build); so basic audio is OK, it's just device sharing that seems missing - unless I'm missing a module
[15:23]  * penguin42 starts up a 'top' just in case gnome-power-managager goes nuts while I play with pulseaudio
[15:23] <penguin42> hmm pulseaudio is taking up cpu so it must be playing via it
[15:28] <richard__> I've got 8.04 ubuntu installed. Wifi will not connect. It recognizes my Athero's proprietary card. I've got it checked. In Networking it's set up but will not connect. 7.10 works fine. Whats with 8.04?
[15:29] <Sergeant_Pony> this is very frustrating.... I have sound ALC861 oss mixer it works.... sometimes... any ideas..?
[15:29] <hmuller> Is the vmmouse that's autoconfigured in xorg.conf now applicable mostly for Ubuntu in a VM?
[15:29] <richard__> Any one home?
[15:29] <penguin42> Sergeant_Pony: Same here; it seems it got broken in Hardy
[15:29] <Sergeant_Pony> I can get sound on bootup and only on certain websites.
[15:29] <Sergeant_Pony> it took me 2 weeks to get sound on 7.10
[15:30] <hmuller> richard__: dunno, I don't own one of those
[15:30] <Sergeant_Pony> I can't even adjust the volume anymore... it's either all the way up or muted
[15:31] <penguin42> Sergeant_Pony: Same here
[15:31] <Sergeant_Pony> ok... in sound setup I have only 2 choices 1 for playback and 1 for capture
[15:31] <richard__> All I know is that 7.10 works great with my wifi card and 8.04 recognizes it but will not connect me up to the internet.
[15:31] <penguin42> The old model=auto trick which fixed stuff on gutsy for me doesn't work here
[15:32] <richard__> Atheros (is the chipset the card uses. . . )
[15:33] <hmuller> richard__: what kind of messages are you getting in /var/log/syslog when attempting to connect?  That might provide a clue ...
[15:34] <richard__> I'll have to get my laptop out and see. . . can't say for sure now. . . thanks for the tip.
[15:35] <Sergeant_Pony> penguin42: did you figure out pulseaudio or are you using oss?
[15:35] <richard__> Getting the laptop out now and getting it to boot up. ...
[15:36] <penguin42> Sergeant_Pony: I'm not sure! pulseaudio seems to be running and I think esd stuff is going via it, I can't get mplayer to play stuff or amarok
[15:37] <penguin42> Sergeant_Pony: mplayer seems to have a pulseaudio output module, xine doesn't seem to
[15:37] <Sergeant_Pony> penguin42: I have pulseaudio running somewhat... I can play audio cd's so I have it working somewhat... oss I don't like...
[15:38] <Sergeant_Pony> penguin42: on pulseaudio sound meter nothing moves when sound is playing.. don't figure
[15:38] <penguin42> Sergeant_Pony: It looks like another attempt to change the whole way that sound works; that so far is just as bad as the old mess
[15:38] <Sergeant_Pony> lol
[15:42] <richard__> Looking at syslog it appears that eth0 is the only device that the software has been trying to access. My ath0  is nowhere  to be seen. I've got a wireless system and don't use eth0.
[15:43] <richard__> weird
[15:43] <|DuReX|> I want to debug hal, but I can't save 'hald --verbose=yes' to a file
[15:43] <|DuReX|> any id's ?
[15:44] <shadowhywind> hay all I did a kernel update today, but I told it not to update grub. Now i want to update grub to reflect the new kernel and can't figure out how, any ideas?
[15:44] <|DuReX|> the output of that command .. :p
[15:44] <|DuReX|> shadowhywind: update-grub
[15:44] <shadowhywind> I tried that, and it didn't update it
[15:44] <hmuller> richard__: I'll bet if you run ipconfig in a console, that it has probably autoconfigured your wireless interface as eth0, true?
[15:45] <shadowhywind> update-grub says Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-15-generic, But it isn't found in the menu.lst
[15:45] <richard__> hold on . . .let me see. . ..
[15:45] <fromport> shadow: does it give a warning or an error after the "found kernel"
[15:45] <eagles0513875> i have a question my hard ware is rather new and im having a tough time installing kubuntu would the next kernel release have the drivers for my hardware
[15:46] <Sergeant_Pony> penguin42: really strange... if I pull up volume control preferences I only get realtek alc861 (oss mixer) no pulseaudio..
[15:46] <shadowhywind> nope, it says updating the menu.lst.. Updating the default booting kernel. Done
[15:46] <hmuller> eagles0513875: What hardware devices is the installation choking on?
[15:46] <richard__> Looks like your right
[15:46] <eagles0513875> just bout everything
[15:46] <eagles0513875> if i dont have vista it wont even install for instance
[15:47] <eagles0513875> on normal hardy
[15:47] <richard__> what do I do to fix this?
[15:47] <fromport> grep 2.6.24-15 /boot/grub/menu.lst   doesnt show up ?
[15:47] <eagles0513875> installation cd it hangs on formatting my partitions cuz im guessing its looking for my drivers
[15:47] <b4l74z4r> can i use the wine repositories for ubuntu gutsy gibbon in hardy heron?
[15:47] <penguin42> Sergeant_Pony: I didn't think the pulseaudio ones appeared for me last week
[15:47] <eagles0513875> 2ndly if i use the alternate it installs but it hangs on loading hardware devices cuz its looking for my vista partition for drivers
[15:48] <eagles0513875> would the next kernel release fix those problems for me
[15:48] <hmuller> richard__: first, preface all your comments to me specifically, it helps to catch your comments when the screen starts flying, just start typing "hmu" and then hit the tab key, then type whatever...
[15:48] <Sergeant_Pony> penguin42 I like ubuntu and really would like to get this working... I need my sound ;)
[15:48] <marsje> Hi. I want to rip CDs to mp3 with Sound Juicer in Hardy. Do I need to install any extra packages for this? Sound Juicer doesn't show the gstreamer MP3 profile...
[15:48] <penguin42> Sergeant_Pony: Yeh!
[15:48] <richard__> hmuller: ok. . .follow you
[15:49] <shadowhywind> ok i solved my grub issues, hehe
[15:49] <eagles0513875> this computer is an hp tablet tx1308nr with turion x2 2gb ram 160gb hdd winblows vista (yuck)
[15:49] <penguin42> Sergeant_Pony: It always seems to take a few weeks to get audio to work on releases which sucks - it's not like we're using unusual hardware
[15:49] <hmuller> richard__: great, now I can catch your comments, now back to syslog ...
[15:49] <eagles0513875> reason i cant use gutsy is due to a pnp bios bug
[15:49] <hmuller> richard__: what are they saying about the connection when you attempt to connect?
[15:50] <Sergeant_Pony> true... I'm running it on a toshiba satellite laptop
[15:50] <richard__> hum getting back into syslog
[15:51] <pwuertz> hi! I drew a picture with openoffice-draw... and might have accidentally discovered a bug in gnome's svg rendering library... when opening the svg, the application seems to eat all of the available memory... you then have to kill the application 'somehow'
[15:51] <pwuertz> i did this by switching to a console.. but a terminal opened before trying to open the svg might work as well
[15:51] <pwuertz> would someone like to confirm this bug by opening this svg?
[15:51] <pwuertz> http://www.students.uni-mainz.de/pwuertz/it/dangerous-svg.tar.bz2
[15:51] <fromport> shadow: how ?
[15:52] <pwuertz> I'm using ubuntu+1.. updated today
[15:52] <richard__> hmuller: it appears that eth0 link is down, link not ready, deactivating device eth0. . .
[15:53] <penguin42> richard__: Just try ifdown eth0 and then ifup eth0
[15:53] <penguin42> richard__: hardy isn't bringing ether interfaces back up for me after resume
[15:53] <protonchris> Sergeant_Pony: Is this the problem you are seeing?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-media/+bug/199847
[15:54] <richard__> hmuller: Ok I'll try ifdown eth0 and ifup eth0 in console. . .
[15:54] <hmuller> penguin42: I'm not sure his is a resume issue, I'm wondering if it is a router or authorization problem
[15:54] <Sergeant_Pony> protonchris: 1 sec let me look
[15:55] <penguin42> protocol1: Hmm that seems to be what I'm seeing
[15:55] <penguin42> huhh?
[15:55] <penguin42> protonchris: Hmm that seems to be what I'm seeing
[15:55] <hmuller> richard__: take a look afterwards and see what /var/log/syslog reports
[15:55] <orvokki> !info quodlibet
[15:55] <ubotu> quodlibet (source: quodlibet): audio library manager and player for GTK+. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-2 (hardy), package size 15 kB, installed size 132 kB
[15:56] <Sergeant_Pony> protonchris: yup, that's it
[15:56] <penguin42> protonchris: However I think the default choice of mixer is only one of the two problems, the other is why the OSS Mixer doesn't work
[15:56] <richard__> hmuller: I get ifdown is not configured and ifup eth0 ignoring unknown interface
[15:57] <protonchris> Sergeant_Pony and penguin42:  It might be worth commenting on that bug.
[15:58] <penguin42> protonchris: Just did
[15:58] <richard__> hmuller: looks like i'm getting much of the same stuff with eth0. .. I dunno . . .maybe I should just wait til 8.04 becomes final and go back to 7.10. . . .
[15:58] <hmuller> richard__: I'm out of ideas, you might want to google using the following search parameters: <wireless device> site:ubuntu.com
[15:59] <Trewas> pwuertz: that opens as empty page in oodraw, nautilus shows the thumbnail ok though
[15:59] <richard__> hmuller: thanks for your help. . .7.10 worked great with my card. I'll reinstall that and when 8.04 becomes final in 16 days hopefully it will have the fixes in it for my wireless. . . .
[16:01] <Sergeant_Pony> protonchris: good idea, I think I will...
[16:03] <pwuertz> Trewas: right... I got a thumbnail too... but did you try to open it?
[16:04] <Sergeant_Pony> brb
[16:05] <Trewas> pwuertz: actually oodraw does not seem to recognize it as a format it can open
[16:06] <SilverDawn> why does ubuntu install powernowd when its only for amd's
[16:06] <pwuertz> Trewas: no, I meant opening it by double-clicking on it
[16:06] <penguin42> Wahoo! realplayer working
[16:06] <pwuertz> Trewas: this should start up gthumb or eog
[16:07] <protonchris> SilverDawn: because it isn't just for AMD anymore
[16:07] <derspankster> penguin42: got it working then?
[16:07] <penguin42> derspankster: There is a thing called 'padsp' that is a preload library for alsa/oss prgrams
[16:07] <Trewas> pwuertz: ah, double-click opens eog which says coult not load image
[16:07] <penguin42> derspankster: Rather like alsa-oss was; it's a grim grim grim hack but it works for realplayer
[16:08] <elliotjhu1> Can someone give me an example of how to use pasuspender? PulseAudio makes audacity unuseable without it
[16:08] <eoin09> hey could i get some advice on an issue that has totally screwed up ubuntu and prevented me doing anything?
[16:08] <eoin09> i advise no one flips their screen 180 degrees
[16:09] <elliotjhu1> eoin09: why? what actually happened?
[16:09] <derspankster> penguin42: wonder why I was OK and you had to hack?
[16:09] <eoin09> well i went into display options
[16:09] <eoin09> and flipped it
[16:09] <eoin09> which it did successfully but then everything except the cursor froze up
[16:09] <elliotjhu1> ah
[16:09] <penguin42> derspankster: Not sure; what are you using that is working?
[16:10] <eoin09> now whenever i login it flips and freezes up
[16:10] <elliotjhu1> teaches you not to flip it I suppose - I imagine you would fix it by changing your xorg.conf to stop it flipping
[16:10] <eoin09> yes i was hoping there might be a solution
[16:10] <derspankster> penguin42: alsa, pulse, all seem to work OK
[16:10] <penguin42> derspankster: With what clients?
[16:11] <eoin09> elliotjhul: is there something i can do by booting in recovery? (i am a bit of a novice)
[16:11] <elliotjhu1> ctrl+alt+F1 login then sudo nano (wherever xorg.conf is kept - I can never remember) and search for rotation
[16:11] <derspankster> audacious, audacity, realplayer, mplayer. etc.
[16:12] <Sergeant_Pony> protonchris: we're making progress...
[16:12] <butterfree> good day all... could somebody pretty please suggest a good alarm clock for gnome...
[16:12] <pwuertz> Trewas: ok.. thats better than using all my memory and making the desktop unresponsive :/
[16:12] <eoin09> so i hit ctrl alt F1 at login?
[16:12] <penguin42> derspankster: what do you see in lsmod|grep snd
[16:12] <elliotjhu1> yeah
[16:12] <protonchris> Sergeant_Pony: nice
[16:12] <eoin09> great thanks, i'll try that now
[16:12] <elliotjhu1> it may or may not actually work, if it doesn't come back and ask again
[16:12] <eoin09> ok thanks for your help, will do
[16:12] <etcis> if I use the evdev driver for my MS wireless laser mouse 5000 the whole xorg server crashes when i push a certain button
[16:13] <Sergeant_Pony> protonchris: the only thing I don't get is why only a master control and that's it?
[16:13] <etcis> i get a "bad valuators" error message
[16:16] <derspankster> penguin42: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62238/
[16:16] <protonchris> Sergeant_Pony: not sure
[16:18] <emma> Is it true that Hardy will come with a built in VM ?
[16:19] <penguin42> derspankster: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62240/
[16:20] <penguin42> derspankster: All the high level stuff seems to be there but you are using the i810 driver and I've got hda
[16:23] <eoin09> elliot?
[16:25] <eoin09> can anyone help me with getting ubuntu to forget the settings i configured, but before i log in? its freezing ever since i flipped the display 180 degrees (dont do this) the moment i login
[16:25] <protonchris> eoin09: was there anything in your xorg.conf
[16:26] <fromport> eoin: the login screenis "normal" or also 180degrees turned ?
[16:26] <eoin09> the login sceen is normal thankfuly
[16:27] <fromport> so it has to do with you user settings, not with the "system wide"
[16:27] <insomninja> Has anyone got their wacom working as something else than a mouse?
[16:27] <fromport> probably some setting in the .gnome2 subdir inside your homedirectory
[16:28] <protonchris> fromport: ah.  good point.
[16:28] <karmelek> anybody met the problem with canon cameras with memory cards - i can acces my card via canon s3 is
[16:28] <karmelek> *cant
[16:28] <eoin09> never done anything with xorg protonchris, i am just an average user not normally doing anything in programming
[16:28] <eoin09> yes it's a user issue, can i get it to forget my setting?
[16:29] <fromport> eoin: did you customize your X environmnt somehow ?
[16:30] <protonchris> like fromport said the settings are stored in the .gnome2 directory
[16:31] <eoin09> i made the deskbars translucent, changed what was on them
[16:31] <eoin09> but nothing more
[16:31] <protonchris> eoin09: well I suspect that there is some sort flip setting in your .gnome2
[16:32] <eoin09> apart from a few clever graphical settings such as cube, it is how it was by default
[16:32] <eoin09> is there a way i can get into that and fix it?
[16:36] <eoin09> even if i had to return all settings at boot to default, at least i would be able to login and then rebuild my display from the ground up. is there a way to "reset" without wiping and reinstalling the beta?
[16:38] <protonchris> eoin09: well, what I would try is:  login, wait for freeze, hit ctl-alt-1 and login at the console, the use this command to move your setting directory 'mv .gnome2 .gnome2_backup'
[16:39] <Gnine> opening 34 tabs/webpages at once didnt crash FF3b4
[16:40] <eoin09> protonchris: thanks, what will happen/what do i do then?
[16:42] <protonchris> eoin09: after that reboot your machine and try to login.
[16:42] <protonchris> eoin09: this will tell us if the rotating is controlled by a gnome config option.
[16:43] <eoin09> ok thanks for all your help, assume all is well if i dont pop up again
[16:43] <Gnine> you will
[16:43] <eoin09> lol well here is the bug report if anyone is interested
[16:43] <eoin09> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/212308
[16:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 212308 in ubuntu "Freeze after flipping display 180deg (8.04b)" [Undecided,New]
[16:44] <eoin09> ciao
[16:45] <Ashex> Compiz keeps killing my remote session
[16:45] <Ashex> what's the easiest way to make is stop starting when I login?
[16:46] <prana> Sometimes when I'm on battery power, I notice the disk light on my laptop starts to blink about once per second. any hints on figuring out why?
[16:48]  * penguin42 thinks I might actually have all my sound stuff working
[16:49]  * penguin42 wonders how you stop Firefox 3 jumping to the current workspace when you do an 'openlink' in a terminal
[16:51] <chloetwo> pressing mouse button kill X? wow lmfao
[16:53] <derspankster> penguin42: congrats on the sound
[16:54] <Sergeant_Pony> protonchris?
[16:54] <chloetwo> mouses should be forbidden for ubuntu server edition
[16:54] <ihasn> chloetwo, why?
[16:55] <chloetwo> X too, and wireless network too
[16:55] <protonchris> Sergeant_Pony: yes?
[16:55] <penguin42> derspankster: There appear to be a few tricks; padsp is the king - it's a LD_PRELOAD hack (like alsa_oss), most things that use ESD seem to work
[16:55] <orvokki> chloetwo: X libs not though.
[16:56] <orvokki> chloetwo: Perfectly acceptable to remote X on a server.
[16:56] <protonchris> penguin42: let me know if you figure out how to stop the firefox jumping.
[16:56] <quentusrex> Is there a way to save my gnome session??? I want to reboot, but when I log in I want to to open all the windows, and stuff to the way I had it....
[16:56] <Sergeant_Pony> protonchris: I have everything set for Pulseaudio and I have no sound except when I login
[16:56] <Sergeant_Pony> protonchris: unless I don't have pulseaudio setup correctly
[16:56] <penguin42> quentusrex: Yeh, go to the system menu, preferences, then sessions, there is an option to save current session
[16:57] <ihasn> sergeant_pony, check your ouput. alsa could be fing up or something
[16:57] <Sergeant_Pony> ihasn where?
[16:58] <ihasn> system, prefences, sound
[16:58] <Sergeant_Pony> the volume meter moves for pulseaudio just no sound
[16:58] <eoin09> protonchris: " '.gnome2' no such file or directory"
[16:58] <protonchris> eoin09: really.  Ok well that isn't it then.
[16:58] <eoin09> lol i figured
[16:59] <Sergeant_Pony> ihasn: everything is set for pulse audio
[16:59] <eoin09> i should have another machine running soon
[16:59] <eoin09> so i can be on irc
[16:59] <eoin09> and ubuntu
[16:59] <ihasn> try rebooting?
[16:59] <Sergeant_Pony> I did 5x
[16:59] <ihasn> i dunno
[17:00] <Sergeant_Pony> ihasn all it has for chouces is OSS (realtek) or pulseaudio server
[17:00] <eoin09> right now i am just on thw windows partition of this ubuntu machine so i cant do both at the same time
[17:00] <ihasn> did your sound work before you tried messing with pulseaudio
[17:01] <protonchris> eoin09: next I would probably look in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[17:01] <Sergeant_Pony> ihasn it works if I change it to ALC861 analog
[17:01] <ihasn> you try alsa?
[17:01] <protonchris> Sergeant_Pony: sorry.  I am out of ideas.
[17:01] <Sergeant_Pony> I was told that pulseaudio takes the place of alsa
[17:02] <Sergeant_Pony> thanks protonchris
[17:02] <ihasn> not to my knowledge
[17:02] <eoin09> grr i hope this gets fixed, i was hoping to 'convert' someone tomorrow
[17:02] <prana> hm. i appear to have confused my /etc/fstab's swap UUID... how are the mappings in /dev/disk/by-uuid generated?
[17:03] <Sergeant_Pony> ihasn: it has to be a config issue... maybe it doesn't like the sound card setup itself?
[17:03] <protonchris> eoin09: at the login screen, click the session button and select failsafe gnome, then login.  Have you tried that?
[17:04] <ihasn> is it a laptop your messing with?>
[17:04] <Sergeant_Pony> ihasn: yup, toshiba satellite
[17:05] <penguin42> Sergeant_Pony: Toshiba Equium here
[17:05] <ihasn> yah sergeant, i have a satellite too and the sound cards are always finiky with ubuntu
[17:05] <ihasn> i had to upgrade to 8.04 to get the sound to work
[17:06] <penguin42> ihasn: You might be the first person who upgraded to 8.04 and got sound better :-)
[17:06] <Sergeant_Pony> ihasn:  0 snd_hda_intel
[17:07] <ihasn> yah penguin i was surprized
[17:07] <ihasn> my sound seemed to work when i switched to the connexent adapter
[17:07] <eoin09> protonchris: haven't tried that yet
[17:07] <eoin09> protonchris:likely to work?
[17:08] <protonchris> eoin09: worth a shot.
[17:08] <eoin09> ok will do, thanks again
[17:08] <ihasn> honestly i got lucky thats what it is..every time ubuntu wants to f with the sound im like hell no
[17:09] <Sergeant_Pony>   Subdevices: 1/1
[17:09] <Sergeant_Pony>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[17:12] <Sergeant_Pony> ihasn: any ideas?
[17:13] <ihasn> you got me i peed myself when i got the sound working...it was luck
[17:13] <Sergeant_Pony> figures ;)
[17:13] <cppmonkey> I am getting an error when checking for updates, the SIG is invalid
[17:14] <ihasn> cppmonkey restart
[17:15] <cppmonkey> iahsn Ok ill try that
[17:15] <cppmonkey> *ihasn
[17:17] <eoin09> hey protonchris
[17:17] <protonchris> eoin09: yeah
[17:17] <eoin09> i'm in
[17:18] <protonchris> eoin09: great.  I don't know why I didn't think of that sooner :)
[17:18] <eoin09> now what do i do to access the default way?
[17:18] <fromport> eon: congrats
[17:18] <eoin09> everything looks the same here except for having lost all my clever appearance settings
[17:18] <protonchris> eoin09: well, we need to figure out where that rotation is set
[17:19] <protonchris> eoin09: let me look
[17:19] <eoin09> thanks
[17:22] <eoin09> what's this cppmonkey that's popped up as an irc tab?
[17:22] <Sergeant_Pony> is there a helpfile or doc for pulse audio?
[17:22] <Immersion> Hello, I was wondering if anyone would be kind enough to help me with setting up my Macbook's two finger tap to right click?
[17:22] <cppmonkey> eoin09 I was just messing around to see if u could tell what OS someone was using
[17:22] <eoin09> ah it is duracell
[17:23] <Gnine> !pulseaudio
[17:23] <ubotu> PulseAudio is a sound server intended as a drop-in replacement for !ESD - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio for information and installation instructions
[17:23] <Sergeant_Pony> thanks
[17:23] <eoin09> successful?
[17:24] <Ashex> how do I disable compiz from running on startup remotely?
[17:25] <cppmonkey> eoin09, I dont know enough about IRC, its been years since Ive used it and then i use to use mIRC. and how come you said ah it is duracell?
[17:25] <eoin09> haha Immersion, well i have to say well done for getting to the point where thats your biggest concern. i'm currently having to put a fresh install of OS:X on mine :)
[17:25] <Jabroni5> what exactly is #ubuntu+1 relative to #ubuntu?
[17:25] <Ashex> Jabroni5: #ubuntu+1 is about the next version of ubuntu
[17:25] <Jabroni5> k, ty
[17:26] <cppmonkey> support for 8.04 rather than 7.10
[17:26] <chloetwo> next-gen ubuntu? :/
[17:26] <Immersion> eoin09, Really? Why so? I just used bootcamp and refit, worked perfectly. :D
[17:26] <Jabroni5> hah, haven't even reached for 8, nvm 8.04 :p
[17:26] <eoin09> cpp: because i was wondering what this cpp that had popped up, then i saw a name update saying duracell was now cppmonkey
[17:26] <chloetwo> 8 is year, and 4 is month
[17:26] <eoin09> immersion: PPC lol
[17:26] <Gnine> !topic | Jabroni5
[17:26] <ubotu> Jabroni5: Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[17:26] <Jabroni5> bootcamp ubutu vs. parallels bootcamp?
[17:27] <Jabroni5> crud
[17:27] <Immersion> eoin09, Or you're on them. :) Haha.
[17:27] <Jabroni5> i mean ...."vs. parallels ubutu"
[17:27] <Immersion> Bootcamp is better!
[17:27] <eoin09> immersion: yes i tried to put 6.06 on
[17:27] <Immersion> Parallels is a resource hog. :-/ Messed up your default apps.
[17:27] <cppmonkey> eoin09 yea it was an alias my ex gave me....
[17:28] <chloetwo> i was told that linux going to take over world, how soon i will be able to play gears of wars for PC in linux? like that game
[17:28] <chloetwo> thx
[17:28] <eoin09> immersion: managed to get it working on attempt two, but then i couldnt get it to boot into ubuntu, only osx, and osx went buggy all of a sudden
[17:28] <Immersion> Are you maybe Partitioning it wrong?
[17:28] <Jabroni5> i'm running mac pro "woodcrest" quad-core (late '06) w/ 6gb, and even setting Parallels as resource hog, OSX seems not to stutter using my regular slew of basic apps....
[17:28] <cppmonkey> Is it possible to remote into an ubuntu machine without it being login?
[17:28] <eoin09> immersion: wouldnt recognise my external drive properly and it wouldnt come out of sleep sometimes
[17:29] <Immersion> I ENVY you, Jabroni5.
[17:29] <eoin09> immersion: that's likely yes, i am a bit of a novice
[17:29] <Jabroni5> :p
[17:29] <Jabroni5> it's a sweet system, and yes i spent $2,499 + $699 for 20"
[17:29] <Jabroni5> ...
[17:29] <Immersion> Eoin09, This is my 2nd ever boot into linux, I am too.
[17:29] <Jabroni5> 20" cinema, too
[17:29] <Jabroni5> :(
[17:29] <Immersion> jabroni5 Very awesome :) I'm on the Jan08 Macbooks.
[17:29] <eoin09> immersion: using the wizard in the installer really messed things up so on attempt two i used apple's disk utility
[17:30] <cppmonkey> jabroni5 24" Dell...
[17:30] <Gnine> a $1000 barebone kit is more powerful than that
[17:30] <eoin09> immersion: which worked but then, as i said, there were still issues. so i give up
[17:30] <Immersion> eoin09 YEs, I heard the ubuntu one doesn't work with a OSX already installed.
[17:30] <Jabroni5> aww, jealous of U then cpp :p
[17:30] <cppmonkey> Jabroni5 =P
[17:31] <eoin09> someone mention monitors? i just got a new 20" for £140, but it has to go back. it has a trigger happy on/off setting
[17:31] <Jabroni5> this is true Gnine, i wasn't bragging initially, just setting a benchmark
[17:31] <Immersion> Try to find a 3rd party app to make yourself a fat32 partition.
[17:31] <cppmonkey> Jabroni5 shame I dont have a beast of a PC to go with it...
[17:31] <eoin09> rather than pressing on/off, i just have to touch the monitor anywhere! which is excellent.
[17:31] <Jabroni5> :p
[17:31] <Immersion> Haha eoin09
[17:31] <tgelter> any reason not to install the libc6 update this time around?
[17:32] <Immersion> Could someone help me set up my rightclick? :-/
[17:32] <eoin09> yeah... bumping into the desk hard enough does the trick too
[17:32] <cppmonkey> eoin09, I got a 22" fujitsu from PC World of all places for £140
[17:32] <eoin09> no way
[17:32] <eoin09> thats amazing
[17:32] <eoin09> i never even look at them
[17:32] <Immersion> Haha.
[17:32] <eoin09> this one is acer from amazon
[17:33] <eoin09> not sure to replave or refund
[17:33] <Immersion> I've decided my next computer will be a self built desktop beast. :)
[17:33] <eoin09> anyone reccommend a monitor for £150 or less?
[17:33] <Jabroni5> !topic
[17:33] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[17:33] <Immersion> 22" fujitsu from PC World?
[17:34] <Immersion> :)
[17:34]  * Gnine finally got cue to -15-generic kernel upgrade
[17:34] <eoin09> lol thats £150 now
[17:34] <Immersion> Yay.
[17:34] <eoin09> i wonder though do i want a screen that big
[17:35] <Immersion> You said 150 or less!
[17:35] <Jabroni5> oh, did you get that "right-click" help Immersion?
[17:35] <Jabroni5> if you're in Parallels, i have u covere
[17:35] <Jabroni5> *d
[17:35] <Immersion> jabroni5, No. :(
[17:35] <Jabroni5> k
[17:35] <Immersion> I'm in a full Ubuntu boot.
[17:35] <Jabroni5> ay
[17:35] <eoin09> and it sounds pathetic, but the acer looks way cooler :)
[17:35] <Immersion> Need to setup the macbooks two finger tap thing, so I can rightclick.
[17:35] <Jabroni5> acer has been selling quality discount for eons tho
[17:36] <Jabroni5> <-- approves of acer :)
[17:36] <Immersion> Think you can help, Jabroni5?
[17:36] <eoin09> wow pc world have the 22 inch acer for 250
[17:37] <Jabroni5> with full ubuntu right click problem?
[17:37] <Immersion> Yes.
[17:37] <Gnine> rumor is acer bought gateway. and gateway had style
[17:37] <Jabroni5> gosh, i wouldn't count on it --- i just haven't done it, so i'm not a good candidate -- thanks for asking tho :p
[17:37] <eoin09> nooooo
[17:37] <eoin09> not gateway
[17:37] <eoin09> i have an issue there
[17:37] <Immersion> Well it's mainly my question of, how to open the things I need to edit.
[17:37] <Sergeant_Pony> is asound.conf needed?
[17:38] <eoin09> they never work for more than 5 minutes in my presence
[17:38] <Jabroni5> yes, i couldn't "unmount volume" without right-click earlier
[17:38] <Jabroni5> which makes failed server connections a real hassle
[17:38] <eoin09> protonchris: any progress? :)
[17:38] <Immersion> Jabroni, do you know how I'd do this, maybe? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook#head-416529dc6edd6f93a12df4f0b4c71144441dcbce
[17:39] <Jabroni5> with right-click on Parallels? no problem -- just adjust keyboard mapping -- it was a dumb mistake on my part, sry
[17:39] <Immersion> Ah ok. :-/
[17:39] <Jabroni5> :/
[17:40] <dooglus> other than ubuntu-desktop and its dependencies, what does the ubuntu installer install?  can I find a list somewhere?
[17:40] <dooglus> alternatively:  when I upgraded to hardy, the update-manager crashed halfway through, and didn't remove obsolete packages - how can I remove them now?
[17:40] <Jabroni5> ouch
[17:41] <Jabroni5> yes, get package list
[17:41] <dooglus> Jabroni5: taking to me?
[17:41] <Jabroni5> <-- doesn't have list *sniff*
[17:41] <Immersion> Any awesome apps that someone could reccomend to me?
[17:41] <Gnine> !apt
[17:41] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[17:42] <dooglus> Immersion: what for?
[17:42] <Jabroni5> to check for list of packages to recover for hardy mid-install crash
[17:42] <eoin09> ooh apps, i am looking for a dvd ripper so i can put my dvds on my ipod
[17:43] <Immersion> dooglus, really, anything. I'm new to Ubtuntu (and Linux) and want to find some neat stuff to play with.
[17:43] <Gnine> !preference
[17:43] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors. Do NOT take polls in the channel. If you insist on getting people's opinions, ask BestBot in #ubuntu-bots.
[17:43] <dooglus> Immersion: try "synfigstudio" - it's a 2D animation package
[17:43] <Immersion> Ok
[17:44] <Immersion> So, sudo apt-get install synfigstudio?
[17:44] <eoin09> fair enough Gnine, but is there something that does what I am looking to do?
[17:44] <dooglus> Immersion: yes.  you might need to enable the 'universe' repository first, if you didn't already
[17:44] <Immersion> Ok
[17:44] <Gnine> use synaptics, eoin09
[17:45] <Gnine> to search .. that is
[17:45] <Jabroni5> any suggestions for getting the best video performance possible out of ubuntu 7.1
[17:45] <Immersion> Thanks, dooglus.
[17:45] <Jabroni5> max to 64mb VRAM?
[17:45] <Immersion> Run in Bootcamp?
[17:45] <Jabroni5> yeh, surely u're right
[17:45] <Immersion> Jabroni, run in Bootcamp with your full card?
[17:45] <Jabroni5> but Paraellels just enabled openGL with latest release
[17:45] <eoin09> Gnine: thanks i presume thats a search tool i can download using add/remove?
[17:46] <Immersion> Haha. :-P
[17:46] <Gnine> !synaptic
[17:46] <ubotu> synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[17:46] <Jabroni5> yah, i may do so -- i JUST bought parallels cus of improved graphics performance tho
[17:46] <dooglus> Immersion: I'm biased - that's the package I work on mostly :)
[17:46] <Jabroni5> ty uboto help
[17:46] <Immersion> Dooglus, I'll try it! :)
[17:46] <Jabroni5> ty neway doog
[17:47] <Immersion> Can anyone show me through the steps on how I'd do this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook#head-416529dc6edd6f93a12df4f0b4c71144441dcbce  I'm a Linux newb. :-/
[17:48] <omar> Guys how can I change my IP address?
[17:48] <akk> Immersion: You basically need to be talked through how to edit that file, I guess?
[17:49] <Immersion> akk, Yes. Basically.
[17:49] <hewhocutsdown> Have a question regarding the Drobo device from Data Robotics. It's a RAID device of sorts that connects via USB and acts as a single hard drive.
[17:49] <Immersion> akk, This is my 2nd ever boot into Linux, so I don't really know how I's edit the file... I tried going into the control panel.
[17:49] <hewhocutsdown> Have posed the question in the Ubuntu Forums already, but there is nothing there applicable to my situation, no response to my thread
[17:49] <hewhocutsdown> The device loads automatically, mounts to /media/Jrobo under gutsy. On upgrade to Hardy Heron using the upgrade manager, the device no longer loads or mounts
[17:50] <hewhocutsdown> My other USB hard drive (a mere 80GB, powered by USB) loads up fine, shows as an 80GB volume.
[17:50] <eoin09> new minor issue if anyone can help- when i crashed before i was adding Konqueror, when i tried adding again i got this- E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[17:50] <eoin09> E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[17:50] <omar> Guys how can I change my IP address?
[17:50] <eoin09> what do i do now?
[17:50] <Immersion> No idea, Eoin09. Maybe you should manually run it?
[17:51] <hewhocutsdown> i have the outputs to dmesg and lsusb if that is of any use
[17:51] <akk> Immersion: hmm, actually I don't use the gnome desktop, but I could talk you through it using a little commandline stuff, if you don't mind that
[17:51] <Immersion> Sure, I'm not afraid of command line. :)
[17:51] <eoin09> how do i manually run it?
[17:51] <akk> Immersion: Okay, start by getting a terminal to type in
[17:51] <eoin09> i cant run synaptics as a result now
[17:51] <hewhocutsdown> not really sure how to interpret the results though
[17:51] <Immersion> Done.
[17:52] <Iolaus> Hey all, I'm attempting to install Ubuntu 8.04 and the installation hangs (or at least I stop getting any display) unless I use safe graphics mode.  My video is Intel 965.  Does anyone have a suggestion or at least a way to show the commands being executed during install (instead of the progress graphic) to see if I can maybe catch the problem?
[17:52] <Jabroni5> if you can get terminal to show during install, you can override
[17:52] <akk> Immersion: First let's make a backup of the file, in case anything goes wrong
[17:53] <Iolaus> Jabroni5: how do I get the terminal to show during install?
[17:53] <akk> Immersion: You can do that with: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.sav
[17:53] <Immersion> Akk, should we do this over a private thing?
[17:53] <Jabroni5> ...looking for post...
[17:53] <Iolaus> Jabroni5: Thanks :)
[17:53] <akk> Immersion: yeah, maybe best, though I was sorta hoping someone would notice this and say "Oh, there's a way to do it in gnome ..." :)
[17:54] <Immersion> I got this: cp: cannot stat '/etc/x11/xorg.conf': No such file or Directory.
[17:54] <akk> Immersion: Capitals are important ... it's X11, not x11
[17:55] <Immersion> Oh, didn't know that.
[17:55] <orvokki> *cough*
[17:56] <orvokki> bicyclist: Yays, all my Hardy problems have been solved. ^^
[17:56] <bicyclist> Great, what was the reason ?
[17:56] <Jabroni5> Iolaus: This may not be it, but perhaps it'll help you...
[17:56] <Jabroni5> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=677403&highlight=delete+server+connect
[17:56] <orvokki> bicyclist: I had two proprietary nvidia drivers installed, somehow.
[17:57] <Immersion> akk, I am in pm with you.
[17:57] <Iolaus> thanks Jabroni5, I'll take a look
[17:57] <eoin09> i am in terminal, i am the only user on this machine and i just got " requested operation requires superuser privilege". how do i grant myself that?
[17:57] <orvokki> Managed to get my system cleaned up after the next kernel upgrade.
[17:57] <Immersion> sudo?
[17:57] <bicyclist> I see. Good to hear that you now can continue with betatesting !
[17:57] <Jabroni5> it helped me work through a GUI problem installing 7.10 from scratch
[17:58] <orvokki> bicyclist: Or rather, two proprietary kernel modules. 72.* or whatever and 169.12. It refused to start X because I had a conflict between nvidia-glx-new and the kernel module.
[17:58] <bicyclist> Well i had my nvidia-glx-new removed due to problems with the shadow colors
[17:58] <orvokki> Ahm.
[17:59] <Jabroni5> it was the "sudo killall gdm" command i thought might help, Iolaus...gl
[18:00] <Sergeant_Pony> is asound.conf required in 8.04?
[18:00] <Immersion> Oh, man, I think akk went afk.
[18:01] <Iolaus> Jabroni5: I've got the terminal showing now so hopefully I'll get some more info :)
[18:01] <akk> Immersion: I'm still here, but you haven't said whether you've done the cp or are ready for another step
[18:01] <Immersion> I told you in the PM.
[18:01] <akk> Immersion: I haven't gotten any msgs from you
[18:02] <akk> you sure it was me you PMed?
[18:02] <Immersion> You PM'd me and I responded.
[18:02] <Jabroni5> Iolaus: GL!
[18:02] <Immersion> akk, Anyways, it worked.
[18:02] <Immersion> As far as I can tell.
[18:02] <akk> Immersion: your pm doesn't seem to have made it here
[18:03] <Immersion> Odd.
[18:03] <akk> Immersion: Anyway, we need to figure out what editor you have installed; so try this: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[18:03] <akk> (maybe someone here knows what gui text editor is installed by default?)
[18:04] <Immersion> It is open.
[18:04] <Immersion> Synaptic?
[18:04] <Jabroni5> gedit 2.20.3
[18:04]  * orvokki guesses for gedit
[18:04] <Jabroni5> w/ ubutu 7.1
[18:04] <Immersion> Gedit opened.
[18:04] <orvokki> !info gedit
[18:04] <ubotu> gedit (source: gedit): official text editor of the GNOME desktop environment. In component main, is optional. Version 2.22.0-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 717 kB, installed size 2680 kB
[18:05] <akk> Immersion: Okay, scroll down and look for Section "InputDevice"
[18:05] <Jabroni5> mine is from a 7.04 upgrade to 7.10
[18:05] <Immersion> There are many "Section "Inputdevices"" for my keyboard etc.
[18:05] <akk> Immersion: There will probably be several ... look for one for the mouse, it'll probably say something like "Configured Mouse"
[18:05] <Immersion> Akk, there is one called Section "InputDevice"
[18:05] <Immersion> 	Identifier	"Synaptics Touchpad"
[18:06] <Adys> Anyone else having problems with menus since last update?
[18:06] <akk> oh, you already have a touchpad section! cool
[18:06] <Adys> All my menus are transparent in gnome now
[18:06] <Immersion> Apparently :D
[18:06] <Adys> (cant see them but can still guessclick)
[18:06] <akk> Immersion: Okay, and what you're trying to do is get 2-finger taps to work like a right click?
[18:07] <Immersion> So I put my second finger on and click and it is a right click.
[18:07] <Immersion> And, if possible do that whole 2 fingers on makes it scroll
[18:07] <akk> Immersion: okay, the example in the page you gave has a section on "Multi-finger taps" -- you probably want the first two lines of it
[18:07] <bhsx> is there anything i need to do to get full use out of a core2 duo?
[18:07] <Immersion> Oh, there is an example thing.
[18:07] <Immersion> That does it
[18:08] <akk> Immersion: (I guess the 3rd line is for if you want 3-finger taps to be middle button)
[18:08] <Immersion> Should I just try that, akk?
[18:08] <Jabroni5> i'd ask same question bhsx
[18:08] <bhsx> or is there support for core2 by default?
[18:08] <akk> Immersion: Yes, put in the first two lines ... or all three if you want
[18:08] <Jabroni5> k
[18:08] <akk> Immersion: and there's an example there for 2-finger scrolling, so you might want to put that in too
[18:09] <Immersion> Ya.
[18:09] <Immersion> I put it in
[18:09] <bhsx> Jabroni5: did you get an answer?
[18:09] <akk> Immersion: then just save and exit (probably in the File menu somewhere)
[18:09] <tyler_d> anyone network vpn savy?
[18:09] <Jabroni5> nopers bhsx, i'm just hovering
[18:09] <akk> Immersion: and you'll have to restart X (log out and log back in should do it) to see the change
[18:10] <tyler_d> unknown error connecting to a pptp vpn?
[18:10] <Immersion> Ok, akk. I'll be back/
[18:10] <Jabroni5> ....i don't use a VPN, but surely would given the circumstance...
[18:11] <rpedro> is the latest kernel bugged? I get an error about loading HAL
[18:12] <Sergeant_Pony> does anyone know if asound.conf is needed or required for hardy?
[18:14] <youngmusicorg> hey. I just tried to start apache, and found out another process is already using that port. lsof -i :80 tells me it's called 'iroffero'. I've never heard of that though. What is this?
[18:15] <bhsx> Jabroni5: i did a uname -a and it looks like it's an SMP kernel by default
[18:15] <bhsx> so i think we're fine
[18:15] <bhsx> uname -a
[18:15] <bhsx> Linux bhsx-desktop 2.6.24-15-generic #1 SMP Fri Apr 4 03:48:31 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[18:16] <bhsx> and that's on a box with 1 core :)
[18:16] <bhsx> so dual core should be using both just fine
[18:16] <hewhocutsdown> try again....could anyone help me with a question regarding external USB storage devices? I have two, both worked under gutsy, only one works under hardy heron
[18:16] <Jabroni5> ty bhsx
[18:16] <bhsx> yw
[18:16] <bhsx> hewhocutsdown: what is it that's not working?
[18:16] <Immersion> Hey, akk.
[18:16] <syke_> yea?
[18:17] <Immersion> Now when I put two fingers on it changes screens. :-/
[18:17] <Jabroni5> lol
[18:17] <akk> Immersion: oy! oh, well
[18:17] <Immersion> It scrolls though!
[18:17] <Immersion> Perfectaly scrolls
[18:17] <Immersion> Just can't right click
[18:18] <akk> Immersion: Now you know how to edit the file, so you can fiddle with different settings ... maybe you'll find one that works.
[18:18] <Immersion> aha ok
[18:18] <Jabroni5> Immersion, you're running Ubuntu on X11?
[18:18] <akk> Immersion: I've found the synaptics stuff a bit buggy here, but my vaio has an alps trackpad, not a synaptics
[18:18] <hewhocutsdown> I have a Data Robotics Drobo....it's kind of like Netgear's ReadyNAS, in that it's a RAID-like storage device that can store up to 4 drives
[18:19] <hewhocutsdown> it connects via a USB 2.0 cable to my PC
[18:19] <Immersion> I'm running a GNOME Ubuntu.
[18:19] <hewhocutsdown> worked without a hitch, auto-mounted under gutsy
[18:19] <hewhocutsdown> I ran the gnome upgrade manager last night to test out heron
[18:19] <Immersion> akk, What was the file again? /etc/X11/conf.xorg?
[18:19] <hewhocutsdown> everything works perfectly except for the Drobo
[18:19] <hewhocutsdown> my smaller USB hard drive works fine, automounts, but it's only 80GB
[18:20] <hewhocutsdown> the Drobo is ~2TB
[18:20] <bazhang> xorg.conf Immersion
[18:20] <hewhocutsdown> brb, baby is waking up
[18:20] <Immersion> bazhang, thanks.
[18:20] <bazhang> no worries Immersion ;]
[18:20] <akk> Immersion: xorg.conf ... or just bookmark that page, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook#head-416529dc6edd6f93a12df4f0b4c71144441dcbce
[18:21] <akk> wow, that's quite an anchor, wonder what produced that?
[18:21] <Jabroni5> hah
[18:22] <akk> guess that's something ubuntu's wiki does
[18:23] <RoAkSoAx> hi all, does anyone of you have had a problem with multimedia keyboard?? for me, it ws working fine untill the number pad stopped working and now just the arrows of that pad work... any ideas?
[18:23] <Jabroni5> my num pad doesn't work
[18:23] <Jabroni5> i'm a mac user, under parallels
[18:24] <penguin42> my numeric keypad works (if I turn on numlock) - Tosh laptop with an external keyboard
[18:24] <Immersion> Shit.
[18:24] <Jabroni5> nvm, numlock/clear worked great :p
[18:24] <Immersion> I dragging my window up into the top menubar :-/
[18:24] <hewhocutsdown> sorry about that bhsx
[18:24] <hewhocutsdown> i'm back now
[18:25] <RoAkSoAx> my numpad doesn´t work either, not even turning on numlock
[18:25] <Immersion> AHAH!
[18:25] <Immersion> It works
[18:25] <Immersion>  :D
[18:25] <Jabroni5> grats immers
[18:25] <syke_> er
[18:26] <Immersion> Haha yess.
[18:26] <Jabroni5> so you have right click?
[18:26] <syke_> I just went to do an update and it wants to remove my firefox package
[18:26] <syke_> anyone else seeing this?
[18:26] <Immersion> Yes I do, Jabroni.
[18:26] <Jabroni5> nope, i updated a package thismorning, and no firefox removal syke
[18:26] <syke_> hrm
[18:26] <syke_> firefox-3.0?
[18:27] <Jabroni5> <IP_ADDRESS>, actually
[18:27] <syke_> ah
[18:27] <syke_> maybe they're ditching the firefox-3.0 beta pkg?
[18:27] <Immersion> I love how when I drag a window it flows.
[18:27] <Jabroni5> i'm only on Gutsy, sry
[18:27] <syke_> not sure why they would do that, though...
[18:27] <syke_> oh
[18:27] <syke_> I was talking about Hardy :)
[18:28] <Jabroni5> sry, i may have to change channels
[18:28] <Immersion> I don't see a firefox package removal.
[18:28] <Jaymac> Anyone with an intel 3945abg wireless controller able to connect wirelessly?
[18:28] <Jaymac> I can't get on either secured or unsecured networks
[18:28] <nemo> Neat thing in Firefox 3 on my hardy machine
[18:29] <Jabroni5> ay capt. :)
[18:29] <nemo> Firefox appears to understand sftp:// URLs
[18:29] <Jabroni5> lucky
[18:29] <Jabroni5> :p
[18:29] <nemo> I think I'm going to make a website of all SFTP URIs :)
[18:29] <Immersion> akk, Thank you so much for your help.
[18:29] <hewhocutsdown> bhsx?
[18:29] <nemo> hm. I suppose if the URI is relative, that would work implicitly.
[18:29]  * nemo tests
[18:29] <syke_> weird
[18:30] <syke_>   firefox-3.0: Depends: xulrunner-1.9 (>= 1.9~b4~) but it is not going to beinstalled
[18:30] <syke_> E: Broken packages
[18:30] <syke_> that's what I get when I try to install firefox-3.0 now
[18:30] <nemo> yep
[18:30] <nemo> works fine. cool.
[18:30] <akk> Immersion: you're welcome ... I hope you find a good combo of options
[18:30] <Turski> syke_: install xulrunner then
[18:31] <syke_> it *is* installed
[18:31] <syke_> ii  xulrunner-1.9  1.9~b5+nobinon XUL + XPCOM application runner
[18:31] <syke_> removing xulrunner to reinstall wants to remove the universe
[18:31] <Immersion> I'm trying to understand why when I have one finger down, and put another one down about 2 seconds later, it switches workspaces.
[18:32] <derspankster> FF3 has been removed by update manager
[18:32] <syke_> derspankster: yes, but why?
[18:33] <nemo> I love the fact that bash tab-completes sftp/scp
[18:33] <Gnine> cd trays are not cup holders
[18:33] <nemo> ... once keychain is installed of courswe
[18:33] <nemo> of course
[18:33]  * penguin42 finds it gently amusing that firefox is listed as a lightweight web browser
[18:34] <derspankster> syke_: my guess is because it was so buggy and won't be final for Hardy release anyway
[18:35] <syke_> I am finding it to work quite well, actually
[18:35] <penguin42> people finding it buggy? It seems ok to me, I've had one rendering issue
[18:35] <hewhocutsdown> i'll come back later i think
[18:35] <syke_> I've been using it over a year on linux and windows, and these days it's as good as ff2 wrt stability
[18:35] <syke_> but anyways
[18:35] <penguin42> (although I don't like the more verbose history list - it just means you don't see as much)
[18:35] <eoin09> yes mine wont boot unless in safe mode penguin, if you refer to 8.04 lol
[18:35] <syke_> the issue appears to be a weird mismatch between xulrunner
[18:35] <penguin42> syke_: And the devs won't fix anything that breaks in ff2
[18:36] <derspankster> well, I, for one have had issues, but I do like FF3
[18:36] <DaSkreech> Hello
[18:36] <penguin42> hi
[18:36] <Immersion> So how would i go about mapping my keyboard?
[18:36] <DaSkreech> is Firefox b5 broken?
[18:36] <penguin42> haha
[18:36] <syke_> penguin: correct. and at this point, they're barely fixing anything in ff3. their acid3 score has been @ 70 for a few months now while other browsers have made great strides.
[18:36] <penguin42> we were just talking about firefox
[18:36] <DaSkreech> Updates remove Firefox b4 and then can't install B5 since xulrunner1.9 conflict
[18:36] <syke_> daskreech: correct
[18:37] <Gnine> !poll
[18:37] <syke_> how to fix? :)
[18:37] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors. Do NOT take polls in the channel. If you insist on getting people's opinions, ask BestBot in #ubuntu-bots.
[18:37] <Turski> is there b5 in repos?
[18:37] <DaSkreech> syke_: how long till its resolved?
[18:37] <penguin42> syke_: Yeh someone at work pointed out that while everyone else was getting it right ff guys were just arguing about the tests
[18:37] <DaSkreech> Turski: yes but you can't install it
[18:37] <Turski> oh
[18:37] <derspankster> guess we'll just have to live without it
[18:37] <DaSkreech> syke_: known issue being worked on?
[18:38] <syke_> penguin: some of the tests were slightly off, or swayed one way when the standard was ambiguous. but, all of those have been resolved and that's why the other browsers moved forward
[18:38] <syke_> daskrrech: no idea if ti's being worked on, I just noticed it myself
[18:38] <syke_> and was asking for a fix
[18:38] <Jabroni5> i just plumb like firefox :/
[18:38] <DaSkreech> :-)
[18:39] <derspankster> asking and getting are two entirely different things
[18:39] <syke_> derspankster: is this #debian? ;)
[18:40] <derspankster> syke_: let me check
[18:40] <syke_> usually ubuntu/canonical folks are nice, especially to paying customers :)
[18:40] <syke_> and people who expend the effort to help test
[18:41] <Gnine> !debian
[18:41] <ubotu> Ubuntu and Debian are closely related. Ubuntu builds on the foundations of Debian architecture and infrastructure, with a different community and release process. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship - Remember, !repositories meant for Debian should NOT be used on Ubuntu!
[18:41] <derspankster> oh, it'll be OK, I was missing my extensions anyway
[18:42] <Immersion> http://quester.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-SS-79832545 That's a cool looking desktop
[18:43] <syke_> are there no canonical folks or package maintainers in the channel?
[18:44] <Gnine> !free
[18:44] <ubotu> freedom is important. Ubuntu is as free as we can make it, which means mostly free software. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/licensing
[18:44] <Immersion> Are there any Linux replacements for something like Lightroom or Aperture? Aka, a RAW processing?
[18:44] <b4l74z4r> have wine 0.9.59 made it to the hardy repositories yet?
[18:45] <dotech> i'm testing the hardy installer and it is having issues creating and formatting partitions
[18:45] <snowolf> b4l74z4r: in #winehq they generally advise to use their repositories
[18:45] <Meshezabeel> something strange happened. I 'double-clicked' on the update manager icon in the panel. It opened up two update managers right beside each other.
[18:45] <dotech> yet 7.10 has no issues with that
[18:46] <Meshezabeel> dotech, what issues you having?
[18:46] <b4l74z4r> snowolf, at the wine home page i can only find packages for gutsy gibbon, can i install those on hardy?
[18:46] <dotech> when it creates the partitions the devices corresponding with those partitions are not created in /dev
[18:46] <snowolf> b4l74z4r: you should be able to do so
[18:46] <dotech> for example, i have /dev/sda, it creates partition #1 and the installer's call to mke2fs fails because it can't find /dev/sda1
[18:46] <syke_> snowolf: yes, because release versions of ubuntu stop updating. hardy's been keeping up with winehq releases so far, though.
[18:47] <dotech> the device is in /sys/block/sda/sda1
[18:47] <dotech> i'm not sure why the device for the partition isn't being created in /dev
[18:47] <dotech> i compared it to 7.10 and the device is created properly
[18:48] <binarical-app> I updated my 710 system to 804 (i followed a wiki where repos for hardy were added) i am happy that my system isnt broken :D However i am experianceing strangeness. on DE login there are multiple natulus windows flashed . otherwise the bar with "quit", "minimise" and "fullscreen" options are missing from all launched applications. "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" return as null. Per graphical update manager, a partial
[18:49] <dotech> im not sure which i'm going to stick with yet but i figured i may as well provide some testing feedback for the installer
[18:49] <dotech> i did eventually get hardy to create the /dev/sda1 device by rebooting and trying it a few times
[18:49] <timo> hows the volume mixer in hardy ?
[18:49] <Gnine> wine 0.9.58-0ubuntu2 is the current version in 8.04 repositories
[18:49] <|DuReX|> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/209971
[18:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 209971 in linux "[Hardy Regression] cx22702 no longer works" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[18:49] <timo> i been told its as good if not better then vista 1
[18:49] <|DuReX|> bug fixxed !!!
[18:50] <dotech> Meshezabeel: it seems as though the kernel or udev aren't working together properly
[18:50] <binarical-app> Gnine: i can tell you that if you want wine to run, you will have to use an older version
[18:50] <binarical-app> Gnine: for hardy
[18:51] <daroou> hello, is it possible to prevent the ubuntu (hardy heron) installer from installing grub to the mbr?
[18:51] <Meshezabeel> dotech, yeah, I have not heard of this problem before
[18:51] <orkun> hey there - now we have pulseaudio we should be able to equalize things - right? how?
[18:51] <daroou> I would like the boot record to be installed only on sdb not sda
[18:51] <orkun> daroou, yes
[18:51] <orkun> daroou, the final step you can choose where and even not to
[18:51] <orkun> under advanced - where it shows you the settings you chose again
[18:51]  * Gnine is currently using 0.9.58-0ubuntu2 without issues
[18:51] <dotech> the interesting thing is that it is creating the partitions, fdisk shows them properly and the device under /sys/block/sda/sda1 is created
[18:51] <orkun> where you can choose to participate in the package survey etc daroou
[18:52]  * binarical-app thinks Gnine knows what shes doing
[18:52] <Immersion> So, I know this is a stupid question, but what is the difference between 64 bit and 32 bit? I know 64 bit is "Better" but why?
[18:52] <daroou> orkun, many thanks
[18:52] <h3sp4wn> Immersion: You can use 16 registers instead of 8
[18:53] <binarical-app> Immersion: 64 bit refers to modern technology , where double cpus can be used together . the 32 bit sysstem refers to singular cpus
[18:53] <dotech> Immersion: you can directly map to 2^64 - 1 (~18pb) bytes of memory instead of 2^32 - 1 (4gb)
[18:53] <Gnine> !64
[18:53] <Immersion> Oh Ok.
[18:53] <ubotu> AMD64 and EMT64 are fully supported architectures on Ubuntu. See http://tinyurl.com/jv6tc for more information.
[18:53] <orkun> binarical-app, so wrong :)
[18:54] <Meshezabeel> Immersion, but only install 64-bit version if your processor supports it
[18:54] <Immersion> So it's good I got the AMD64 bit instead of the 32 bit ubuntu for my Core Duo?
[18:54] <dotech> with 32-bit registers the processor can't directly access any memory over 32-bits long, so it will make it considerably faster on systems with over 4gb of ram
[18:54] <timo> Any screenshots of  the volume mixer in hardy ? please ?
[18:54] <orkun> Immersion, it is probably bad if you even have to ask the question
[18:54] <dotech> Immersion: it depends, with <=4gb of ram you will see 8-12% improvement
[18:54] <orkun> Immersion, 64bit has got more bugs
[18:54] <Immersion> orkun, I know.
[18:54] <dotech> with greater than 4gb, you will see even better performance
[18:55] <Immersion> Ah, ok Dotech.
[18:55] <orkun> Immersion, and not being a power user you will not notice the difference
[18:55] <h3sp4wn> 8-12% where do you get from
[18:55] <h3sp4wn> and what about all the assembler optimised stuff for i386
[18:55] <dotech> benchmark tests :), not sure where i saw it
[18:55] <Immersion> orkun I'm trying to learn it all. :)
[18:55] <orkun> Immersion, use http://www.google.com/search?q=64bit+vs+32bit&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a for further advantages
[18:55] <orkun> start with 32bit
[18:55] <orkun> until you are used to debugging processes if you are totally new
[18:55] <dotech> h3sp4wn, 64-bit processors can run 32-bit instructions
[18:56] <dooglus> I just updated and firefox got uninstalled
[18:56] <Gnine> 64bit OS is more efficient on a 64bit architecture.. duh..
[18:56] <dooglus> will a new browser be taking its place?
[18:56] <h3sp4wn> dotech: Always ?#
[18:56] <orkun> yes Gnine - if everything works
[18:56] <h3sp4wn> Gnine: That is not true
[18:56] <orkun> and only under special occasions
[18:56] <Immersion> dooglus, really? I just updated and firefox is still there. :-/
[18:56] <orkun> other things take up more disk space this way
[18:56] <dooglus> Immersion: try again?
[18:56] <dotech> yea, its like trying to put 12 eggs in a 24-capacity egg basket, it works
[18:56] <orkun> which can be quite bad - especially if you are new to it you can mess things up
[18:56] <Immersion> dooglus, Wel, I want firefox to be there haha.
[18:57] <dooglus> Immersion: or maybe the mirror I'm using is out of date, I don't know.  it didn't disappear an hour ago
[18:57] <dotech> or i guess 32 eggs in a 64 egg basket haha
[18:57] <derspankster> dooglus: yes IE6
[18:57] <h3sp4wn> Gnine: The situation with x86_64 is the exception (hence the reason large parts of Solaris are 32 bit and only 64 bit when it makes sense)
[18:57] <Gnine> h3sp4wn: google is thy friend
[18:57] <dotech> what is considerably faster is floating point operations
[18:57] <dooglus> derspankster: ha
[18:57] <dooglus> I see: "firefox-3.0: Depends: xulrunner-1.9 (>= 1.9~b4~) but it is not going to be ins..."
[18:57] <dotech> and more precise
[18:58] <dooglus> and "Installed: 1.9~b5+nobinonly-0ubuntu1"
[18:58] <dotech> anyone familiar with pulseaudio?
[18:59] <dotech> i have it set as my default audio device, when i click "test" i hear the tones, however nothing else has audio output
[18:59] <IppatsuMan> I've just did a clean install of Kubuntu Hardy and bash completion doesn't work as expected (e.g. it doesnt complete "sudo aptit<TAB>"). Is this a bug that anyone else is experiencing? Should I file a bug on launchpad?
[18:59] <dotech> q
[18:59] <binarical-app> dotech:orkun is asking in the ubuntu channel for you
[18:59] <dotech> wrong keyboard :\
[19:00] <dotech> binarical-app: ok thanks
[19:00] <Meshezabeel> dotech, totem doesn't play audio either?
[19:01] <dotech> i've onyl tried some websites in ffx3 and in the sound control panel there's a "Sounds" tab for the events
[19:01] <dotech> when i click "Play" there i don't  hear the sounds either
[19:01] <orkun> but alsa works?
[19:01] <dotech> i did listen to /bin/bash by piping it into /dev/dsp1 and /dev/audio1 and that works
[19:01] <h3sp4wn> IppatsuMan: if you just source it then what happens
[19:01] <dotech> alsa doesn't appear to work either
[19:01] <dotech> i set my audio card as the default device too
[19:01] <timo> any one know if hardy will have any thing as good as this http://jkontherun.blogs.com/jkontherun/images/voume_mixer.jpg
[19:02] <Meshezabeel> dotech, can you hear sound from youtube?
[19:02] <orkun> you should maybe first get alsa running - did it work with gutsy dotech ?
[19:02] <dotech> orkun, if i set alsa as the Sound playback device it works, so does pulse audio, and USB Decoder
[19:02] <dotech> i just installed gutsy and have the same problem
[19:02] <IppatsuMan> h3sp4wn: sorry, I don't understand. What should I try to do?
[19:02] <dotech> Meshezabeel, i can't get flash working in ffx3 :\
[19:03] <h3sp4wn> IppatsuMan: . /etc/bash_completion
[19:03] <orkun> again - your test audio under settings works - regardless which setting?
[19:03] <dotech> i tried reinstalling libflash and a few other things
[19:03] <orkun> what does not work
[19:03] <dotech> the video isntantly says "Play again"
[19:03] <dotech> without ever playing it
[19:03] <orkun> at youtube?
[19:03] <orkun> does not that even include 2 seconds?
[19:03] <dotech> yep, and i knwo people  have had this happen before it's in the bug list
[19:03] <IppatsuMan> h3sp4wn: bash: /etc/bash_completion: No such file or directory
[19:03] <h3sp4wn> timo: OSS4 works in a similar way but only if the apps support the new api
[19:03] <dotech> maybe 2 seconds, its quick
[19:04] <dotech> 1-2
[19:04] <dotech> i dont see any video though
[19:04] <orkun> have the same problem
[19:04] <orkun> is it each time?
[19:04] <h3sp4wn> IppatsuMan: Is the bash-completion package installed ?
[19:04] <orkun> then it just pauses?
[19:04] <dotech> no matter what video, it just pops up with a black window with the controls and it says "Play again" at the top
[19:04] <dotech> no playback at all
[19:04] <Meshezabeel> dotech, how did you install flash? when you first connect to a webpage requiring flash, a bar at the top asks you to install missing plugins, this is the best way to install it
[19:04] <IppatsuMan> h3sp4wn: no, it isn't. I thought that it should be included in the default install
[19:04] <dotech> yes i did that
[19:05] <dotech> then i tried a bunch of other things that probably made it worse :)
[19:05] <orkun> for me strg+alt+delete helps, as this problem only occurs after some use(i think it is about gstreamer/totem) - a friend of mine - who had this problem all the time - contacted mozillasupport, dotech , which stated they should delete the cache which seemed to work
[19:05] <dotech> i'll reinstall hardy since i have the same audio problem in 7.10, i wanted hardy in the first place
[19:05] <dotech> should take 15 minutes
[19:05] <dotech> hmm i should try that, clear private data?
[19:06] <orkun> another guess is it could be caused by flashplayer-pulseaudio plugin(a wild guess by me) since this is the only change i could think of - flash uses pulseaudio instead of alsa for me now
[19:06] <Meshezabeel> dotech, good luck, I am using hardy 64bit and have had little problem with it. It seems to work better than gutsy.
[19:06] <dotech> yea thats what i installed yesterday
[19:06] <orkun> clear private data opens a dialogue where cache is one option
[19:06] <dotech> other than the paritioning problem it installed great
[19:06] <orkun> you should be able to keep things like history and stored passowrds dotech
[19:06] <dotech> ok
[19:07] <Meshezabeel> dotech, you could also always use 7.10 disc to partition and then 8.04 to install
[19:07] <ToddEDM> hows hardy coming along guys?... what are some of the major differences?
[19:07] <orkun> but try that out first - that is every advice i could give good luck
[19:07] <dotech> hmm true
[19:07] <orkun> ToddEDM, everything seems to work magically
[19:07] <orkun> like sound issues, flash fullscreen and stuff
[19:07] <dotech> ok i'll try it
[19:07] <ToddEDM> lol, awesome, just what i need
[19:07] <orkun> for details check out ubuntu page
[19:07] <ToddEDM> magic
[19:07] <dotech> really what i was trying to get working was Sirius
[19:07] <orkun> it is what happened for me and for many users in this channel
[19:07] <dotech> once i get my music i can work through the rest of the bugs stress free :)
[19:08] <ToddEDM> when is hardy set to be released?
[19:08] <Meshezabeel> dotech, also, try a non-web audio app and see if you can get sound working, if your only problem is in ff, you know it is a ff/plugin problem
[19:08] <xtknight> !schedule | ToddEDM
[19:08] <ubotu> ToddEDM: A shedule of Hardy Heron (8.04) release dates can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[19:08] <xtknight> !hardy
[19:08] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[19:08] <Meshezabeel> ToddEDM, there is a countdown on the main ubuntu page
[19:08] <orkun> now once i plugin headphones ToddEDM , normal speakers just get muted - i could not switch speaker/headphone playback with gutsy even with a reboot
[19:08] <dotech> Meshezabeel, yea I tried a few things, anything that let me pick the specific device "/dev/dsp1" worked
[19:09] <xtknight> any ideas why this is happening? (ubuntu hardy, ff3.0b4) http://img31.picoodle.com/img/img31/4/4/4/f_bigfontsm_e41c2be.jpg
[19:09] <xtknight> the big previous/next buttons to be specific
[19:09] <ToddEDM> orkun:  my laptop did that automatically
[19:09] <dotech> Meshezabeel: anything that didn't have the option to specifically choose the device didn't work
[19:09] <xtknight> it's worse on some webpages even, the whole page except one or two fonts has big text.  i assume my 'default text size' is at fault but it's just free sans/16pt
[19:09] <orkun> now mine too :)
[19:09] <ToddEDM> but its cool nonethelesss
[19:09] <Meshezabeel> dotech, so, would the other apps work by default, or would you always have to change the audio device?
[19:09] <orkun> before it did not work
[19:09] <dotech> Meshezabeel, i had to pick the device because it was defaulting to my onboard sound
[19:10] <orkun> anyway i can equalize things ANYhow?(without xmms and jackd preferrably). please i really need this :>
[19:10] <dotech> even though alsa was using my USB decoder as the default card
[19:10] <dotech> Meshezabeel, thats why i was asking about pulseaudio, do i have to set a default card there too?
[19:10] <syke_> immersion: another reason is the extra registers. 32bit ubuntu/dbian compiles for i486, which gcc models with fewer registers and a fraction of the cache of amd64
[19:10] <h3sp4wn> dotech: You can tell pulse the sink to use using the pulseaudio applet
[19:11] <Meshezabeel> dotech, not sure, I only have one audio card so never ran into that problem
[19:11] <syke_> those two things can make for significantly better loop optimization and inlining heuristics, sometimes resulting  smaller code that is also much faster
[19:11] <dotech> h3sp4wn, how can i access that applet?
[19:12] <h3sp4wn> I think its - paman
[19:12] <dotech> Meshezabeel, i'm pretty sure this is just a problem caused by my multiple cards, i really only have an onboard card and a USB headphone amp which is a USB DAC that ubuntu is detecting properly
[19:12] <h3sp4wn> I am not 100% certain though
[19:12] <dotech> h3sp4wn, thanks i'll look into it
[19:12] <mluser> Is there a reason why firefox3 was uninstalled from my hardy installation?
[19:13] <syke_> mluser: there's a problem with xulrunner-1.9 deps -- many people are having the issue, but no fix has been proposed yet :( :(
[19:13] <syke_> maybe one of the ops should put this in the  topic?
[19:14] <LibertyShadow> Epiphany isn't too bad
[19:14] <LibertyShadow> :D
[19:14] <mluser> syke_: Ok.. thank you
[19:14] <dotech> this time hardy created the partitions properly, go figure :)
[19:15] <dotech> must be a kernel / udev problem
[19:15] <netcrusher88> okay, so upgrading xulrunner to b5 automatically uninstalled my firefox b4 install... is there an eta on firefox b5 in the repos? just curious
[19:16] <Meshezabeel> lol dotech, must be a glitch in the matrix :)
[19:16] <dotech> haha
[19:16] <dotech> so this time when i open firefox, i should only have ot install the plugin through it for flash
[19:17] <viator> !broadcom
[19:17] <ubotu> Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Broadcom43xx
[19:17] <dotech> but which one do i install?  the GNU SWF player or Adobe non-free?
[19:17] <netcrusher88> personally i'd advise adobe
[19:17] <dotech> ok i'll pick that one then
[19:17] <netcrusher88> gnash just isn't quite there if you ask me
[19:17] <Gnine> !gnash
[19:17] <ubotu> An open source flash replacement.  It is still beta software. For current status or for more info http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
[19:17] <dotech> if the videos still don't display properly i'll assume its due to my sound issues
[19:18] <dotech> i think flash was working
[19:18] <dotech> since the player did appear on youtube at least
[19:18] <Meshezabeel> yes, I've had better luck with adobe too
[19:19] <viator> the bcm43xx page for hardy is just a place marker
[19:19] <dotech> i wish there was a U3 installer for ubuntu :)
[19:20] <dotech> cd's are too slow
[19:20] <viator> is there a more accurate place i can look for hardy broadcom info
[19:21] <viator> its still broken :(
[19:21] <joumetal> which command changes keyboard layout?
[19:21] <Consty> I just updated my installation and it removed firefox and broke some stuff now. Is anyone else having the same issue?
[19:21] <h3sp4wn> There is no real accurate information (for any platforms)
[19:21] <netcrusher88> Consty: yep
[19:21] <Consty> netcrusher88: Alright, just making sure.
[19:21] <dotech> Consty, i think it is a problem with the xulrunner-1.9 deps (quoted form syke_)
[19:21] <syke_> yes
[19:21] <syke_> I'm filing a bug in launchpad
[19:22] <syke_> the devs are now aware
[19:22] <netcrusher88> near as i can tell, xulrunner bumped to 1.9b5, which breaks firefox 3b4, and 3b5 isn't in the repos yet
[19:22] <syke_> netcrusher: basically, yes
[19:22] <dotech> so i should exclude that from my updates? :)
[19:22] <Consty> Amazing how people figure out dependency problems from so many different applications.
[19:22] <Consty> Seems daunting. :)
[19:22] <viator> dpkg-reconfigure xserver xorg
[19:22] <viator> xserver-xorg
[19:23] <dotech> ok i'm back to Hardy
[19:23] <macogw> apt is telling me the dependency is broken and warning me not to update
[19:23] <dotech> i love how the full install takes 10 minutes !
[19:23] <macogw> um is anyone else kernel panicking after yesterday's kernel upgrade?
[19:23] <h3sp4wn> macogw: 14 or 15 ?
[19:23] <macogw> 15
[19:24] <h3sp4wn> Its fine here - 14 broke bluez
[19:24] <Sergeant_Pony> 14 didn't work on mine
[19:24] <Consty> syke_: How long do you think it will be before they repair it?
[19:24] <viator> it will suck if hardy ships with broken broadcom
[19:24] <syke_> no idea
[19:24] <derspankster> viator: what card?
[19:25] <syke_> I'm just an end-user like you guys
[19:25] <macogw> 15 says something about the block device being wrong
[19:25] <macogw> 14 boots fine
[19:25] <viator> 4306 rev3
[19:25] <h3sp4wn> viator: Never been a decent broadcom driver yet
[19:25] <Sergeant_Pony> 14 I got the white screen, 15 works fine
[19:25] <h3sp4wn> And the quality of the radio's is poor also
[19:25] <derspankster> viator: I have a 4318 and it works fine with b43
[19:25] <dotech> macogw, if you can get more detailed info about the panic it owuld help
[19:26] <macogw> OH woah
[19:26] <macogw> the menu.lst doesnt have the initrd lines for -15
[19:26] <viator> i just want the thing to work
[19:26] <macogw> isnt part of the install supposed to automatically add that?
[19:26] <viator> i have 4318 on another box
[19:26] <h3sp4wn> I do but probably for a different definition of works
[19:27] <dotech> haha my system monitor is totally messed up :)
[19:27] <derspankster> viator: does the other box connect (if you run Hardy on it)
[19:27] <dotech> the Resources tab, the graphs shift to the left
[19:27] <dotech> they are, but the lines aren't disappearing after each shift, it's turning into a giant wall of color
[19:27] <viator> it works for some reasonits got gutsy :|
[19:27] <viator> lol
[19:28] <dotech> looks cool at least
[19:28] <macogw> dotech: kinda like how the text fields in gmail on firefox 3 do?
[19:28] <viator> wife doesnt let me upgrade that one doesnt want it broken
[19:28] <Meshezabeel> dotech, works fine for me, maybe your video card?
[19:28] <dotech> it worked yesterday :)
[19:28] <dotech> i havent' installed the nvidia drivers yet
[19:28] <viator> firefox 3 text fields on some things dont work thats true
[19:28] <dotech> thats probably what it is
[19:28] <Meshezabeel> dotech, install updates first though
[19:28] <viator> but it isnt linux
[19:28] <viator> same thing for me on windows version
[19:28] <dotech> yea, i was trying flash first just to be sure i get that working
[19:29] <dotech> guess that was a bad idea
[19:30] <Meshezabeel> dotech, usually it is best to install updates first, but should be okay, any luck with the flash?
[19:30] <syke_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xulrunner-1.9/+bug/212416
[19:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 212416 in xulrunner-1.9 "latest xulrunner-1.9 update breaks firefox-3.0" [Undecided,New]
[19:30] <dotech> Meshezabeel, rebooting now, i installed flash and the nvidia driver, i'll check when it comes back
[19:31] <timo> h3sp4wn:its progress init ?
[19:31] <dotech> sweet
[19:31] <dotech> flash works
[19:32] <dotech> i guess installing GNU SWF last time messed it up
[19:32] <dotech> before hooking up my USB decoder i'll try the default onboard sound to see if that's working
[19:32] <h3sp4wn> timo: Now there will be the option to use oss4 with ubuntu if you want with less messing around it might be better
[19:34] <dotech> sound works too
[19:34] <bjwebb> hotmail.com crashes firefox after login
[19:34] <daekdroom> Whenever I start a Gnome Session it takes long and it accuses HAL couldn't be initialized, also, Clicking the Exit button crashes the computer. I tried to reinstall HAL but it didn't work. Could anyone help me? (this happened after upgrading to the kernel 15)
[19:34] <dotech> lol what a weird cooincidence, the video i loaded starts out with a blank screen and it's some nerd talking about a sound test
[19:34]  * Jaymac1 sighs...  I know free drivers are to be encouraged, but i've had nothing but misery with the iwl3945
[19:34] <dotech> mathmaticious
[19:35] <Jaymac1> the ipw3945 proprietary driver worked like a charm
[19:35] <Meshezabeel> lol dotech, it's a miracle, everything works, partitioning, video, audio ;)
[19:35] <netcrusher88> Jaymac1: that's how i feel about flash
[19:35] <dotech> Meshezabeel, i know :)
[19:35] <dotech> now once I plug in my USB decoder, will it all break? :)
[19:35] <Meshezabeel> dotech, good luck :) try updating first though ;)
[19:36] <dotech> ok ill do that to be sure updates don't breka it
[19:36] <Jaymac1> netcrusher88: I can't connect to ANY wireless networks
[19:36] <bjwebb> also, is ubuntu not shipping firefox 3b5 because it was after the feature freeze?
[19:36] <Jaymac1> I can see them, attempt to connect, but it always hangs on "Waiting for network key..."
[19:36] <macogw> Jaymac1: like what? mine works fine.  it turns out lack of WEP is NM's fault, because from the terminal or using network-admin it works.  and NM+ipw3945 didnt work either
[19:36] <bjwebb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/212419
[19:37] <Jaymac1> macogw: I can't connect to WPA or unsecured with mine.
[19:37] <h3sp4wn> bjwebb: Its probably just not compiled yet it takes ages
[19:37] <Jaymac1> macogw: I connected to the same networks with ipw3945 with no issues
[19:37] <bjwebb> h3sp4wn: so it is coming?
[19:37] <dotech> nice, i ran an audio sync test on youtube and the sound is in sync
[19:37] <dotech> time to try updates and see if it still works
[19:37] <h3sp4wn> bjwebb: I would say they wouldn't break that dependancy if it wasn't
[19:38] <Meshezabeel> bjwebb, I can't access that page
[19:38] <bjwebb> i know, its private for some reason
[19:38] <Jaymac1> macogw: when I attempt to connect to a network it doesn't get so far as adding an entry to the list in nm-editor
[19:39] <bjwebb> how do i make it public?
[19:39] <daekdroom> Whenever I start a Gnome Session it takes long and it accuses HAL couldn't be initialized, also, Clicking the Exit button crashes the computer. I tried to reinstall HAL but it didn't work. Could anyone help me? (this happened after upgrading to the kernel 15)
[19:40] <ader10> Just in case nobody mentioned it, there's a dependency problem in the repos, firefox is not installable on my computer currently.
[19:40] <macogw> Jaymac1: i can do unsecured just fine. i havent gotten a chance to try wpa since switching to hardy as the only wpa network i use is 250 miles away.  and the nm-editor thing does get all the networks I connect to.  this is odd.
[19:40] <dotech> hmm Sirius doesn't work
[19:41] <bjwebb> grrrr, how do i make this bug not private
[19:41] <Jaymac1> macogw: Yeah, I tried a live cd to see if I might have banjaxxed something myself... but with the live cd I have the same trouble
[19:42] <bjwebb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/212419 is now public
[19:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 212419 in firefox-3.0 "firefox crashes on viewing hotmail" [Undecided,New]
[19:43] <dotech> system monitor looks good now
[19:44] <MTecknology> I'm doing updates, why is firefox 3 being removed?
[19:44] <syke_> btw, I've been told that firefox-3.0 pkg will be udpated soon to fix the issue with the mismatched xulrunner-1.9
[19:44] <syke_> MTecknology: wait a few hours, update, and try again
[19:44] <syke_> it should be fixed by then
[19:44] <MTecknology> k
[19:44] <Meshezabeel> MTecknology, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xulrunner-1.9/+bug/212416
[19:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 212416 in firefox-3.0 "latest xulrunner-1.9 update breaks firefox-3.0" [Low,Incomplete]
[19:45] <dotech> crazy how many people hit this bug
[19:45] <MTecknology> ok, ty
[19:45] <Sergeant_Pony> card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: ALC861 Analog [ALC861 Analog]   <-- anyone know how to get this to work with pulse audio?
[19:45] <rothchild> when I log out to gdm I get an error (when the login screen loads) saying 'authentication error' it just keeps reappearing when I hit ok, I have set myself to auto login so it works from cold boot but if I want to restart the xserver I can get back in to the system without restartng, I suspect it may be something to do with PAM but I dunno where to start looking, can you help?
[19:45] <syke_> dotech: yes. disappointing, even for a beta :(
[19:45] <macogw> Jaymac1: that's really confusing.  your card is actually the 3945 and not some other intel one, right?
[19:45] <dotech> its good that its found so fast i guess :)
[19:45] <macogw> or not..
[19:45] <Meshezabeel> syke_, and I just updated everything just before you posted your first message, I'm afraid to restart now ;)
[19:45] <rothchild> this is my /pam.d/gdm http://pastebin.ca/972764
[19:46] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, click System->Preferences->Sound
[19:46] <syke_> you just won't have ff3 -- feel free to use konqueror in the meantime
[19:46] <h3sp4wn> If anything needs updating it has to be compiled - that seems obvious
[19:46] <daekdroom> Does that bug happen only to the people that updated to beta 5?
[19:46] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, try changing the sound playback devices and use the test buttons
[19:46] <syke_> (I only uuse ff3 for sites konq has issues with, personally. and those are few and far between at this point)
[19:46] <daekdroom> I still have beta 4 and beta 5 isn't aviable.
[19:46] <syke_> someone please update the topic
[19:47] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech I went thru that... the only test sound that works is alc861 analog
[19:47] <syke_> saying something like "reinstall/update firefox-3.0 in a few hours"
[19:47] <vol> Hi, I'm having some trouble with the 8.04 beta. I've managed to install, after using the fakeraid walkthrough. I ran synaptic update, and then did a "partial upgrade". Unfortunately, it was not successful, and the errors visible here ( http://rafb.net/p/FdsY5e76.html ) keep reoccuring whenever I try and run synaptic for anything else.
[19:47] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, when you click the Sounds tab do the play buttons in there work?
[19:47] <daekdroom> Whenever I start a Gnome Session it takes long and it accuses HAL couldn't be initialized, also, Clicking the Exit button crashes the computer. I tried to reinstall HAL but it didn't work. Could anyone help me? (this happened after upgrading to the kernel 15)
[19:48] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech nope not under anything...
[19:49] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, Applictions->Accessories->Terminal, try "alsamixer"
[19:49] <kippy> hey guys is 8.04 the beta of 8.10 ?
[19:49] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, do you see the analog ALCS device as the card?
[19:49] <dotech> ALC*
[19:49] <Meshezabeel> kippy, no, 8.10 will be the next release
[19:50] <mindframe> what
[19:50] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech with OSS it works about 45% with pulse audio it doesn't
[19:50] <mindframe> what's the equivalent of 'screens and graphics' in hardy?  how do i disable a second screen?
[19:50] <kippy> okay! so which of the two is LTS ? and are both named Hardy Heron?
[19:51] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech there is no alsamixer
[19:51] <Meshezabeel> kippy, 8.04 is Hardy, it is in beta for a couple more weeks, then 8.04 will be released as a stable release. 8.10 is not hardy
[19:51] <daekdroom> kippy: 8.04 Beta is the beta of 8.04 (LTS) Hardy Heron. 8.10 Will have its own beta and won't be hardy
[19:51] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, weird, i just installed hardy and i have it
[19:51] <daekdroom> Meshezabeel: don't forget there's a RC
[19:52] <kippy> okay Got it folks..!! thanks
[19:52] <Sergeant_Pony> card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: ALC861 Analog [ALC861 Analog]   that's what I have aplay -l
[19:52] <spiderfire> hi
[19:52] <vol> Any suggestions?
[19:52] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, i have a very similar problem with a USB decoder
[19:53] <Sergeant_Pony> this is a toshiba laptop
[19:53] <vol> Additionally, dpkg --configure -a gives me detritus about not being able to install grub (I did that manually due to software raid0)
[19:53] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, it is the default card but no sound at all, if i use the onboard device it works fine
[19:53] <Meshezabeel> daekdroom, RC of Intrepid?
[19:53] <daekdroom> Meshezabeel: RC as in Release Candidate?
[19:53] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech I have sound until I hit the gnome desktop
[19:54] <Meshezabeel> daekdroom, yes, I know what RC means, just didn't know what you were referring to
[19:54] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, interesting... when i first connect this USB decoder Ubuntu plays the Login sound
[19:54] <dotech> then nothing
[19:54] <vol> Hello? Is this thing on?
[19:54] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech, yup
[19:54] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, do you have the same thing? you hear the Ubuntu login music?
[19:54] <Meshezabeel> daekdroom, the RCs came before the beta, correct?
[19:55] <daekdroom> No. After.
[19:55] <Immersion> Hm, I'm trying to connect to my other OS's partition, How do I authenticate so I can pull some files?
[19:55] <daekdroom> It's Alpha, Beta, RC, Final
[19:55] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech did u fix it?
[19:55] <dotech> although this is a bit different for me, i am connecting the device on the fly, and it plays the login sound at that point haha
[19:55] <Meshezabeel> daekdroom, ah, I see my error, thanks :)
[19:55] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, not yet, i'm trying to now
[19:55] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech ok...
[19:55] <dotech> it sounds like we have a similar problem
[19:56] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech sounds like it...
[19:56] <Immersion> Hey, akk. Think I could bother you again?
[19:56] <dotech> haha not my firefox is gone too :)
[19:56] <dotech> now*
[19:56] <dotech> i knew i should have waited
[19:56] <Meshezabeel> woohoo
[19:57] <Meshezabeel> dotech, did you try leaving xulrunner out when you updated?
[19:57] <vol> Yeah, I'd like to point out that the partial upgrade deinstalled firefox from my machine as well.
[19:57] <Immersion> Can anyone help me, how would I gain root permissions on my other partition while accessing it in Ubuntu?
[19:57] <dotech> Meshezabeel, nah, i just clicked update and it said it could only do Partial Updates
[19:58] <dotech> so I just let it do that
[19:58] <Meshezabeel> vol, it will happen to everyone I assume
[19:58] <vol> Oh hey, someone can hear me.
[19:58] <dotech> no big deal for me because i'm going to reinstall after messing with all of this anyway
[19:59] <dotech> i want to fix my sound problem so i can reinstall and fix it right away without messing around with things
[19:59] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech I'm trying to avoid that...
[19:59] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, yeah, if this wasnt a brand new machine i would too
[19:59] <vol> Anyway, I'm using sudo aptitude -f for all of those packages
[19:59] <vol> would someone PLEASE tell me now if this is an amazingly bad idea?
[19:59] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech this is a dual boot winxp/ubuntu laptop
[19:59] <dotech> i'm willing to try anything to get this to work, 15 minutes to reinstall so no problem here
[20:00] <dotech> just a desktop here, 1 hdd fully utilized by ubuntu
[20:00] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, see if you can find a "pulseaudio sink applet"
[20:00] <dotech> there may be a way to tell pulseaudio which sink to use
[20:01] <dotech> aka, which card to use
[20:01] <corporeal> the latest updates murdered the firefox packages
[20:01] <Sergeant_Pony> I know where that is...
[20:01] <corporeal> :-/
[20:01] <dotech> where?
[20:01] <spiderfire> is firefox broken?
[20:01] <corporeal> yes
[20:01] <spiderfire> ok good
[20:01] <dotech> i'll give it a shot
[20:01] <spiderfire> f2 works though
[20:01] <tritiumosu> Partial dist upgrade uninstalled ff3 temporarily
[20:01] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech I have it on simutaineous output
[20:02] <dotech> try updating again in a few hours, its happening to everyone
[20:02] <corporeal> tritiumosu: i just ran the adept updater this morning and it removed and broke the ff3 packages
[20:02] <corporeal> tritiumosu: it won't even reinstall
[20:02] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, how do i get to the applet?
[20:02] <tritiumosu> corporeal: I'm having the same issue, it won't reinstall FF3 from synaptic or cmd line lol
[20:03] <corporeal>  tritiumosu: ya, complains about broken packages.
[20:03] <Sergeant_Pony> apps > sound video > pulseaudio chooser
[20:03] <h3sp4wn> dotech: You can do it with paman
[20:03]  * corporeal is just downloading b5 from mozilla in .tar.bz2 form
[20:03] <dotech> ok
[20:03] <Meshezabeel> firefox problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xulrunner-1.9/+bug/212416
[20:03] <h3sp4wn> Any of the other ways didbn't work for me
[20:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 212416 in firefox-3.0 "latest xulrunner-1.9 update breaks firefox-3.0" [Low,Incomplete]
[20:03] <dotech> ill try both :)
[20:03] <corporeal> i think that should be a higher priority considering it breaks the main browser :-p
[20:04] <dotech> ok so the same thing happened when i connected the device, i hear the login sound then nothing, checking the applet and paman now
[20:04] <dotech> hm,, i don't have Pulseaudio chooser
[20:04] <dashavoo_> will saa7134_alsa be added to the kernel in hardy by default?
[20:05] <h3sp4wn> dotech: Just find the name of the sink and change it from default -> longcomplicated-sink-name
[20:05] <dotech> ok i have to get paman too, i don't have either
[20:05]  * corporeal needs to file a bug report about the new kernel hanging eveyr once in a while
[20:05] <daekdroom> kippy: 8.04 Beta is the beta of 8.04 (LTS) Hardy Heron. 8.10 Will have its own beta and won't be hardy
[20:05] <daekdroom> oops
[20:06] <akk> What's the next one after Hardy? Irate Iguana?
[20:07] <dashavoo_> I'm thinking excitable elephant has a ring to it
[20:07] <DaSkreech> Inconqsequential ibex?
[20:07] <h3sp4wn> They already had edgy eft so they won't do e again
[20:07] <DaSkreech> Intrepid Ibex
[20:07] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: They have to
[20:07] <DaSkreech> just 26 releases on :)
[20:07] <dashavoo_> orgasmic octopus... just to keep the hentai fans onboard
[20:07] <dashavoo_> actually no
[20:07] <akk> hardy is the second 'h' -- I guess they didn't think about going alphabetically at the beginning.
[20:08] <dashavoo_> we don't want them
[20:08] <theman--> hey guys, problem with firefox3 : some images dont load, some just show up black... ?
[20:08] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: I would question the ability of Ubuntu to last that long
[20:08] <vol> Well, my problems appear to have resolved themselves
[20:08] <vol> thanks for the help, guys!
[20:08] <vol> I mean it
[20:08]  * akk thinks the current one should be greasy gopher
[20:08] <Ashex> yesterday apt told me these packages were no longer needed:
[20:08] <Ashex> linux-headers-2.6.24-12-generic linux-headers-2.6.24-12
[20:08] <corporeal> LOL
[20:09] <Ashex> Has anyone else gotten that and is it safe to?
[20:09] <corporeal> 8.10 should be Irate Indian?
[20:09] <corporeal> 9.04 = Jolly Jigilo?
[20:09] <akk> jumpin' jackrabbit
[20:10] <macogw> does paypal.com crash anyone else's firefox 3?
[20:10] <corporeal> Nope.
[20:10] <stefg> !ibex
[20:10] <ubotu> Intrepid Ibex is the code name for Ubuntu 8.10, due October 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex
[20:10] <dotech> h3sp4wn, that name is so long !
[20:10] <macogw> as of 2 hours ago or so ff3 worked fine on paypal. now it just crashes.
[20:11] <macogw> i did update in between, i think
[20:11] <akk> intrepid ibex is okay ... lots better than the last few
[20:11] <EdwardXp> can someone help me out with some practice commands to ubuntu?
[20:11] <macogw> but i didnt get the broken xulrunner. i can visit any other page just fine
[20:11] <x1250> ibex is available in the repos?
[20:11] <macogw> EdwardXp: this is the development channel.  unless youre running the beta and its specific to it, you ought to go to #ubuntu
[20:11] <EdwardXp> can someone help me out with some practice commands to ubuntu? >> im trying to uninstall and install new drivers .. or basicly... disable and enable existing drivers
[20:11] <macogw> x1250: no
[20:11] <Ashex> so, anyone
[20:12] <macogw> x1250: it will be the release after hardy
[20:12] <x1250> okay
[20:12] <EdwardXp> ok
[20:12] <dotech> h3sp4wn, that got the "Devices" Test buttons to work, but still no sound for Sounds->Play for the event sounds
[20:13] <macogw> woah woah woah and paypal is totally inaccessible in konqueror
[20:13] <h3sp4wn> dotech: You can choose which card you want system sounds to go to seperately
[20:15] <dotech> where?
[20:16] <h3sp4wn> Don't remember I don't even have pulseaudio installed anymore
[20:16] <h3sp4wn> actually try the very last tab in paman
[20:17] <dotech> nice that worked
[20:17] <dotech> thanks
[20:17] <jrabbit> Hello
[20:18] <jrabbit> I'm considering grabbing the ubuntu studio edition of hardy, does it have some of the required basic support for a macboo kpro? :\
[20:18] <jrabbit> I don't want to not have ethernet and no wireless
[20:18] <jrabbit> or no keyboard
[20:18] <jrabbit> etc
[20:19] <h3sp4wn> rothchild: Its got everything the normal ubuntu has and more
[20:19] <h3sp4wn> jrabbit: ^^
[20:19] <jrabbit> Yeah that's not helpful
[20:19] <jrabbit> Ubuntu was pretty fucked up on my desktop
[20:19] <jrabbit> (I think that was 7.10)
[20:19] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech progress?
[20:19] <jrabbit> But I'm pretty sure it was a mounting bug that was known
[20:20] <jrabbit> Think it might be on the wiki?
[20:20]  * jrabbit goes to look
[20:20] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, with "Autodetect" set as my sound playback devices i hear the sound in my USB decoder
[20:20] <dotech> but system sounds still won't play to it
[20:20] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech damn
[20:20] <jrabbit> Oh cool it even has its own install how to :D
[20:21] <dotech> ill have to install the pulseaudio debug package to figure this out
[20:22] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech I can set them all the autodetect except for audio conferencing sound capture
[20:22] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony all 3 of them work here
[20:23] <dotech> i'll do some research on google
[20:23] <tobi> Hi, I have problems with 8.4 and the german keyboard layout. is it a known problem?
[20:24] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech if I put them all on oss instead of alc861 it blows the speakers
[20:24] <dotech> i would avoid oss at all costs
[20:25] <dotech> as far as i know it's deprecated for the most part
[20:25] <Sergeant_Pony> me?
[20:25] <dotech> yea in favor of alsa
[20:26] <heydabop> Has anyone updated to the lasted version? Firefox 3 doesn't work with it.
[20:26] <Sergeant_Pony> dotech I was told that pulse audio is a replacement for alsamixer etc....
[20:26] <dotech> yea
[20:26] <macogw> dotech: there are a lot of cards that only work right with OSS still though
[20:26] <dotech> true
[20:27] <macogw> dotech: it was deprechated due to licensing, i think, but now it's all Free again, so...
[20:27] <awalton__> (it was also deprecated because it was absolutely terrible, but that's a different story)
[20:27] <dotech> haha
[20:27] <macogw> tobi: check launchpad.net
[20:28] <macogw> awalton__: well whats funny is that it couldnt do mixing in software before they deprecated it, but now it can and alsa's "oss compatibility mode" doesnt
[20:28] <macogw> awalton__: at least according to an article i read from last year, just before it got re-Free'd
[20:29] <awalton__> then again, the whole point of sound servers is to do mixing/levels in user space.
[20:29] <macogw> OSS was just "pass it to the card"
[20:29] <awalton__> that's pretty much what ALSA is today.
[20:29] <jdrake> I just did a partial upgrade and it ended up removing firefox 3b4 and installing xulrunner. I notice that xulrunner lists itself as a dependancy of a firefox 3b5, but I cannot find this particular thing anywhere. Any ideas?
[20:29] <macogw> there are some cards (again, according to that article) that alsa doesnt allow to do hardware mixing even when they're capable of it
[20:30] <macogw> jdrake: hasnt gone through yet.
[20:30] <dotech> I'll follow the sound troubleshooting guide to see if anything obvious is wrong
[20:30] <awalton__> yeah, ALSA doesn't provide an abstraction for very much at all as far as that thing goes.
[20:30] <jdrake> macogw: Will it likely go through today sometime? (I have opera, so I am not in critical need, but I love my firefox)
[20:30] <awalton__> that was a design decision; hardware mixing is almost dead...
[20:31] <mindframe-> how can i resolve the nvidia api mismatch error when starting X?
[20:31] <awalton__> today's sound environment's pretty dull actually. most devices just have the bare minimum (DACs, some buffers, etc), and let software do all of the rest.
[20:32] <dotech> awalton__, its cheaper that way, thats why there's still a market for a/v receivers
[20:33] <dotech> most can't be bothered to go through these software problems
[20:34] <macogw> awalton__: http://insanecoding.blogspot.com/2007/05/sorry-state-of-sound-in-linux.html
[20:34] <awalton__> well hopefully the problems will go away as more and more people standardize on ALSA+PA.
[20:34] <dotech> yes
[20:34] <macogw> i have a receiver
[20:34] <dotech> as do i :)
[20:34] <macogw> my record player cant power speakers
[20:35] <dotech> i can only deal with computer problems for so long, then i need to go to my real sound system
[20:35] <Laney> Wow, installing kqemu has *massively* increased VM performance
[20:35] <Sergeant_Pony> what I can't figure out is the volume bars move on the puse audio meter but I get no sound out of the speakers....?
[20:35] <dotech> Sergeant_Pony, i dont have bars moving on mine
[20:35] <dotech> maybe its going to a different device?
[20:35] <macogw> ive noticed that if i mute with my keyboard, the volume mixer on the gnome panel still shows sound instead of putting up the red cross out thing
[20:36] <dotech> in the volume meter (playback) what do you see after "Showing signal levels of..."
[20:36] <awalton__> yeah, the GUI really isn't ready for pulse, sadly.
[20:36] <Sergeant_Pony> 1 sec
[20:37] <awalton__> e.g. the whole volume control applet needs to be redone
[20:37] <Sergeant_Pony> rtp multicast
[20:37] <Sergeant_Pony> sink
[20:37] <dotech> thats strange
[20:37] <dotech> did you set up a network server in pulse?
[20:38] <Sergeant_Pony> yup, sure did
[20:38] <dotech> ah
[20:38] <dotech> hmm, i just found an option while in there
[20:38] <dotech> "Simultaneous Output"
[20:39] <dotech> virtual output device for sim. output on all local sound cards... sounds like what i was looking for
[20:39] <Sergeant_Pony> i have that checked
[20:40] <rothchild> h3sp4wn: yeah the added bit is so I only get asked for my keyring password once do you have any clues what the 'authentification failed' message is about?
[20:42] <dotech> lol
[20:42] <dotech> i connected my usb decoder and now pulse cant connect
[20:42] <dotech> "Failure: Connection refused"
[20:43] <Cpudan80> Hello everyone
[20:43] <Cpudan80> I've got a minor problem with HH
[20:44] <Cpudan80> I'm on a laptop and the screen resolution of the internal panel is 1024x768 --- it's hooked to an external monitor with resolution 1280x1024
[20:44] <Cpudan80> That works ok --- except the gnome panels are not in the right place on the bigger screen
[20:44] <Cpudan80> Any way to fix that?
[20:51] <mindframe-> is nvidia-glx-new supposed to work w/ hardy?  i'm getting an api mismatch when i try to startx.  it says kernel module version is 71.86.04, but driver component has version 169.12.
[20:52] <crd1b> mindframe-: ensure that you do not have the file /lib/linux-restricted-modules/.nvidia_legacy_installed
[20:52] <crd1b> the nvidia kernel module is linked and "installed" at boot from one of a variety of sources
[20:52] <crd1b> sometimes the lrm scripts use the wrong one
[20:52] <Cpudan80> Alright so ehh
[20:53] <Cpudan80> It's actually the GDM that is not the right size
[20:53] <mindframe-> crdb1b: i only have .nvidia_new_installed
[20:53] <mindframe-> plus the kernel trees
[20:53] <Cpudan80> like the GDM only takes up 1024x768 on the bigger monitor --- it should use up the full 1280x1024
[20:53] <Cpudan80> Any ideas how to fix it?
[20:53] <dotech> well i give up for now, ill try again later
[20:54] <crd1b> mindframe-: hmm, as a workaround, try putting in /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common: DISABLED_MODULES="nvidia_legacy nvidia"
[20:54] <SilverDawn> Anyone here play tremulous
[20:54] <stefano_> i have a hard time formatting a hard drive, i think it has some bad sectors, so i would need to low-level-format it (i guess?) how would i go about this? (i'm on a notebook and the hard drive is connected via usb)
[20:54] <crd1b> that will leave only nvidia_new so it'll be forced to use it
[20:57] <mindframe-> crd1b, that worked. thanks a lot.
[20:58] <crd1b> cool
[21:01] <Cpudan80> Anybody have any ideas?
[21:03] <Cpudan80> To repeat --- Monitor 1: 1024x768 -- Monitor 2: 1290x1024. They are setup to mirror each other. That works ok except the secondary monitor's panels and stuff are all the wrong size. Like the GDM (on startup) only uses 1024x768 on the big monitor. The gnome panels dont extend all the way across on the big monitor
[21:03] <Cpudan80> 1280x1024 on the big one -- sorry -- typo
[21:04] <akk> If they were different resolutions, they wouldn't really be mirroring each other, would they?
[21:04] <Cpudan80> yeah I guess not
[21:04] <Cpudan80> I wonder if setting it up as an extension will fix the problem
[21:04] <akk> I doubt there's anything that copies a scaled version from one monitor onto another monitor
[21:05] <akk> Do you have a dual head video card so you could even do that?
[21:05] <Cpudan80> umm yes I do
[21:05] <Cpudan80> Its a laptop
[21:05] <Cpudan80> the external ports are rendered separately from the panel (as far as I know
[21:06] <akk> okay, didn't know how common it was. My laptop just has one head, but it's old.
[21:06] <Cpudan80> Mine is from 05
[21:11] <_sidd> Did firefox disappear in the latest update?
[21:11] <stefano_> fsck gives me errors i can't interpretate, can someone help me?
[21:15] <derspankster> _ssid: yes FF3 is gone
[21:23] <hewhocutsdown> try again....could anyone help me with a question regarding external USB storage devices? I have two, both worked under gutsy, only one works under hardy heron
[21:24] <RyanPrior> Can I force programs to use the PulseAudio server even if they don't have an option to do it explicitly?
[21:26] <cowbud> ryanakca: esddsp
[21:26] <cowbud> grr
[21:26] <cowbud> RyanPrior: esddsp
[21:26] <_sidd> derspankster: any idea why?
[21:26] <RyanPrior> !esddsp
[21:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about esddsp - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:26] <DensuX> Hey all! Are there any users here who are currently using the Ubuntu 8.04 BETA version? If so i was wondering if they can help me with something. I am currently trying to get filesharing to work. I installed samba i added the shares to the smb.conf etc. Now when i go to network locations i see the shares pop up but when i try to open them it tells me cannot mount windows share. I used to add shares with the shared folders tool that you can fi
[21:26] <DensuX> nd under system --> administration --> shared folders. But this tool seems to have disappeared from the menu since one of the recent updates. Anyone know what the problem might be?
[21:26] <cowbud> RyanPrior: try man esddsp
[21:26] <hewhocutsdown> i've got output for dmesg and lsusb if that's of any help
[21:26] <RyanPrior> !man esddsp
[21:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about man esddsp - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:27] <cowbud> RyanPrior: sorry I meanted on the command line
[21:27] <cowbud> like the man command
[21:27] <cowbud> meanted? wtf damn I must really be losing my mind
[21:27] <cowbud> meant
[21:27] <RyanPrior> No manual entry for esddsp
[21:27] <MTecknology> pidgin is crashing on me now....
[21:28] <cowbud> damn
[21:28] <cowbud> alright then do this
[21:28] <RyanPrior> Besidies, I thought PulseAudio was a replacement for esd?
[21:28] <Sergeant_Pony> alsa
[21:28] <cowbud> aptitude install esound-clients
[21:28] <cowbud> Sergeant_Pony: no
[21:28] <cowbud> he is right
[21:28] <cowbud> RyanPrior: and it is esd compatible
[21:28] <cowbud> so having that will make it play over pulse audio
[21:29]  * Jaymac finally got his iwlwifi working after installing nm0.7 and linux-backports-modules :D
[21:30] <Sergeant_Pony> I need someone that really knows Pulse Audio and Toshiba laptop's to help me out...
[21:31] <hewhocutsdown> hello? Could anyone help out with navigating problems with USB storage devices? I have 2, one which works (80GB laptop-size drive) and a Drobo (RAID-like 4-disk storage device)
[21:31] <hewhocutsdown> the former works, the latter does not
[21:31] <cowbud> Sergeant_Pony: why don't you just ask your question and maybe someone will no your particular problem instead of narrowing the amount of people that could help you
[21:31] <DensuX> I am currently trying to get file sharing with windows to work. I installed samba i added the shares to the smb.conf etc. Now when i go to network locations i see the shares pop up but when i try to open them it tells me cannot mount windows share. I used to add shares with the shared folders tool that you can find under system --> administration --> shared folders. But this tool seems to have disappeared from the menu since one of the recent
[21:31] <DensuX>  updates. Anyone know what the problem might be?
[21:32] <Sergeant_Pony> card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: ALC861 Analog [ALC861 Analog] <-- I have this card. it works somewhat under OSS. I want to use it under Pulse Audio because I think OSS sucks.
[21:33] <cowbud> Sergeant_Pony: first off, ALSA is similar to OSS where ESD is similar to Pulseaudio. ESD/PulseAudio != OSS != ALSA
[21:33] <cowbud> Sergeant_Pony: are you running hardy with the default installation if so what makes you think you are using OSS at all?
[21:34] <Sergeant_Pony> cowbud: ok... Sound preferences tells me it is
[21:34] <cowbud> Sergeant_Pony: it is using a OSS driver which translates to it still using alsa
[21:34] <cowbud> driver as in software not hardware driver
[21:35] <Sergeant_Pony> with pulse audio on the sound meter the bars move up and down... no sound coming from the speakers
[21:35] <cowbud> Sergeant_Pony: what program are you using?
[21:35] <cowbud> to play sound..
[21:35] <Sergeant_Pony> rythmnBox
[21:35] <Sergeant_Pony> for my music cd's
[21:36] <Sergeant_Pony> no sound on websites etc...
[21:36] <cowbud> so you go to Sound Preferences via the gnome MEnu and it says Sound Events: OSS or what?
[21:36] <Sergeant_Pony> oss correct
[21:37] <cowbud> and when you click on the Sound Playback drop down what are your other options?
[21:39] <Sergeant_Pony> cowbud alc861 analog, autodetect, alsa, esd, oss, pulseaudio server
[21:39] <cowbud> Sergeant_Pony: so when you select pulse audio sound server you get no sound at all?
[21:39] <cowbud> even when you click on test?
[21:39] <Sergeant_Pony> nope even on a test
[21:39] <cowbud> Sergeant_Pony: and I assume you are running hardy right?
[21:39] <syke> I just installed kdewebkit and am now getting a crash when konq starts:
[21:39] <KNY> Google is telling me "no", but have any of you had any luck getting vmware-server working on 8.04?
[21:39] <Sergeant_Pony> correct
[21:39] <syke> #5  0x00007ff217eeb7b9 in QWebPage::~QWebPage ()
[21:39] <syke>    from /usr/lib/libQtWebKit.so.0d
[21:39] <syke> #6  0x00007ff218662cce in ?? () from /usr/lib/kde4/lib/kde4/libwebkitkde.so
[21:39] <syke> #7  0x00007ff22454397b in KParts::Part::~Part ()
[21:39] <syke>    from /usr/lib/kde4/lib/libkparts.so.4
[21:39] <syke> #8  0x00007ff218662420 in ?? () from /usr/lib/kde4/lib/kde4/libwebkitkde.so
[21:39] <syke> #9  0x00007ff22611cda6 in KonqView::switchView ()
[21:40] <cowbud> Sergeant_Pony: completely up to date?
[21:40] <cowbud> syke: don't paste that in here
[21:40] <Sergeant_Pony> cowbud yes 100% up to date
[21:40] <cowbud> Sergeant_Pony: and you have rebooted recently to have the latest kernel loaded etc etc?
[21:40] <Sergeant_Pony> cowbud: yup I'm using the latest kernel
[21:40] <cowbud> Sergeant_Pony: ps auxwww | grep pulse
[21:41] <cowbud> Sebastian: run that in a termal and tell me what you get back
[21:41] <cowbud> I am looking for something like:  /usr/bin/pulseaudio --log-target=syslog
[21:42] <Sergeant_Pony> 1000      6605  0.0  0.2   5668  1332 ?        S    13:28   0:00 /usr/lib/pulseaudio/pulse/gconf-helper
[21:42] <Sergeant_Pony> 1000      9760  0.0  0.1   3008   780 pts/1    S+   16:41   0:00 grep pulse
[21:42] <cowbud> Sergeant_Pony: type id at the command line
[21:42] <cowbud> what is your uid?
[21:42] <syke> brb
[21:43] <cowbud> it seems weird to me that you are getting uid 1000 in your ps auxwww instead of your username
[21:43] <cowbud> alright do this as a regular user: killall -9 pulseaudio
[21:43] <cowbud> Sergeant_Pony: then run this in the same terminal: /usr/bin/pulseaudio --log-target=syslog
[21:43] <cowbud> that will give us some debugging information
[21:44] <cowbud> don't paste all that here :)
[21:44] <cowbud> you can paste it in #PASTE
[21:45] <Sergeant_Pony> lol
[21:45] <cowbud> or using a pastebin
[21:49] <sourcemaker> I have installed virtualbox but the module is not found... do I need a restart of system or should I compile the module from source
[21:49] <geniehost> hello all
[21:50] <geniehost> I am trying to install Ubuntu 8.4 on dell Latitude D830, but I get the following error: cannot find root fs
[21:50] <geniehost> how can I install it?
[21:51] <xtknight> anyone else have issues with the trash icon?  shows full when trash is empty?
[21:51] <xtknight> ive seemed to have these since dapper, at least
[21:51] <geniehost> some times yes
[21:52] <geniehost> just delete any things and empty it and this will fix it
[21:52] <DensuX> xtknight: nope my trash applet works fine.
[21:52] <xtknight> well i emptied it but it shows full
[21:52] <geniehost> first delete any file
[21:52] <geniehost> then empty it
[21:52] <geniehost> this should fix it
[21:52] <xtknight> o
[21:52] <DensuX> :)
[21:53] <xtknight> nope i tried deleing something else
[21:53] <xtknight> and emptying, but still the same issue
[21:53] <geniehost> then remove it from the menu and add it again
[21:53] <xtknight> there we go
[21:54] <geniehost> I am trying to install Ubuntu 8.4 on dell Latitude D830, but I get the following error: cannot find root fs - any idea?
[21:54] <orvokki> !info firefox
[21:54] <ubotu> firefox (source: firefox-3.0): meta package for the popular mozilla web browser. In component main, is optional. Version 3.0~b4+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 61 kB, installed size 116 kB
[21:54] <charles__> anyone have an issue where installing todays updates deleted firefox?
[21:55] <billisnice> i did
[21:55] <billisnice> lol
[21:55] <orvokki> Deleted? o.O
[21:55] <_sidd> charles__: Yea. I had the same thing happen.
[21:55] <xtknight> oh really?
[21:55] <xtknight> damn
[21:55] <orvokki> It just updated Firefox for me.
[21:55] <billisnice> lots of bugs, i am sure they will iron them out
[21:55] <xtknight> i was just about to press 'y' on upgrade
[21:55] <xtknight> :)
[21:55] <charles__> _sidd, how did you get around it?
[21:55] <derspankster> charles_: not an issue, a feature
[21:55] <orvokki> Or tried to anyway.
[21:55] <geniehost> I am trying to install Ubuntu 8.4 on dell Latitude D830, but I get the following error: cannot find root fs - any idea?
[21:55] <eljefe> How smart is Kubuntu dist-upgrade to Hardy?  All of my previous dist-upgrades (well, Adept version upgrades) have always been a desaster...
[21:55] <charles__> derspankster, how so?
[21:55] <orvokki> Hmm, appears the update was broken.
[21:55] <orvokki> Goody, goody.
[21:55] <bluefoxx> i am having trouble with my network.
[21:55] <bluefoxx> i can't connect with my onboard ethernet and it wont be recognized. i have to disable it in the bios to get anything to connect, and now am using a PCI adaptor.
[21:55] <_sidd> charles__:  I just reinstalled it sudo aptitude install firefox
[21:56] <billisnice> the update put a firefox in the panel and i could not open firefox
[21:56] <derspankster> FF3?
[21:56] <billisnice> yep, version 3
[21:56] <charles__> _sidd, ah ok, I guess they changed firefox3 to just firefox
[21:56] <derspankster> I'm back to FF2, 3 is too buggy
[21:57] <_sidd> charles__: Yea... that's my guess... and after reinstalling, it seems to be working okay.
[21:57] <xtknight> it didn't screw up my FF
[21:57] <geniehost> I am trying to install Ubuntu 8.4 on dell Latitude D830, but I get the following error: cannot find root fs - any idea?
[21:57] <derspankster> charles_: what version is reported?
[21:57] <orvokki> firefox == Version: 3.0~b5+nobinonly-0ubuntu1
[21:57] <xtknight> i just have an updated ff3 b5 now
[21:57] <bluefoxx> im also finding that i have to open synaptic twice before it will ask for my password
[21:57] <DensuX> geniehost: when do you get this error?
[21:57] <orvokki> xtknight: Tried starting it?
[21:57] <xtknight> orvokki, yea
[21:57] <orvokki> xtknight: It's broken for me.
[21:57] <mpoz2> Which is the official place for Laptop/PowerManagement configuration? /etc/acpi, /etc/pm, /etc/laptop-mode or gnome-power-manager's gconf-settings? I'm confused. Where should I put my scripts. Which does Hardy run by default?
[21:57] <geniehost> today
[21:57] <billisnice> lots of bugs in today updates
[21:57] <xtknight> orvokki, no problems hre
[21:58] <geniehost> DensuX, today
[21:58] <bluefoxx> another thing: i can only boot properly from the generic kernel now
[21:58] <xtknight> and my profile is still intact
[21:58] <DensuX> geniehost: During install or during boot?
[21:58] <bluefoxx> and my updates are still broken
[21:58] <geniehost> DensuX, installation
[21:58] <xtknight> maybe they just updated firefox again?
[21:58] <xtknight> i installed updates 5 secs ago
[21:58] <DensuX> geniehost: How did you partition your hard drives?
[22:00] <orvokki> xtknight: Ah, right. Seems I forgot Firefox running during the upgrade.
[22:00] <orvokki> That causes the problems
[22:00] <geniehost> DensuX, 2 partition one for windows other one for Linux
[22:01] <DensuX> geniehost: Did u manually partition or did you chose one of the standard options provided by ubuntu?
[22:01] <derspankster> I find no FF updates
[22:01] <bluefoxx> is airsnort in the repos?
[22:02] <sourcemaker> Virtualbox does not work in hardy... can't load the module... what's wrong
[22:02] <gluer> coz: 8.04 lts beta?
[22:02] <geniehost> DensuX, i am not reaching to partitioning
[22:03] <geniehost> DensuX, first screen which chossing install Ubuntu then the error msg will come
[22:03] <orvokki> Ah, for God's sake. FF3 b5 broke even more extensions.
[22:03] <DensuX> geniehost: ah
[22:03] <sourcemaker> No suitable module for running kernel found, but the modules are installed... do I need a restart?
[22:03] <derspankster> orvokki: not surprised
[22:04] <geniehost> DensuX, any Idea?
[22:04] <orvokki> Hmm, anyone remember how to get FF3 to ignore compatibility checks and just try to use the extensions?
[22:05] <DensuX> geniehost: maybe try checking the cd image. If it can't load the root file system it's likely that the image may be corrupt or the disk might dirty or scratched. Not sure thought but first try making sure the disk is working properly
[22:05] <sami> i´m wondering what might be wrong with my hardy heron, because it still keep crashing all the time. i´m not sure what program cause it.. any ideas?
[22:08] <sami> everything else is frozen but my mouse.. i can get to login screen when i press ctrl+sysrq+k combination..
[22:08] <ryanzec> are there any plan to move alsa 1.0.16 to ubuntu 8.04, I know i need to manually download and compile it to get my sound card to properly work?
[22:09] <orvokki> Right, solved now.
[22:11] <sourcemaker> !virtualbox
[22:11] <ubotu> virtualbox is a x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available in !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox
[22:13] <charles__> is hardy actually planning on releasing with a beta version of firefox?
[22:13] <geniehost> DensuX, I try to install it in my desktop and works fine
[22:13] <bluefoxx> what should i use for a ralink rt2460p pci wifi card? 802.11b protocol
[22:13] <geniehost> DensuX, but with Laptop now working
[22:14] <DensuX> geniehost: it's working now?
[22:14] <geniehost> DensuX, in laptop still getting same error
[22:14] <geniehost> DensuX, but on Desktop pc working
[22:14] <DensuX> geniehost: so after you select the install option on your laptop you get the error
[22:15] <geniehost> just when I do install
[22:15] <geniehost> DensuX, I got error after some times
[22:16] <geniehost> DensuX, I cannot login in Live Session