[22:27] <shane2peru> ActionParsnip, I think he has probably learned to backup, ;)  it usually only takes one hdd crash to become a backup fanatic
[22:28] <saraqual|away> er, that sara nick might prompt some unwanted horny males to bug me :D
[22:28] <erUSUL> BAiNE: i just checked if you only changed the owner you can fix it fairly easily from recovery mode
[22:28] <quentin> h0rnman: my backup command gives me this -> missing destination file operand after `xorg.conf.backup'
[22:28] <BAiNE> erUSUL: how do I get into recovery mode?
[22:28] <BAiNE> sorry I'm a bit new
[22:28] <h0rnman> mrmph?
[22:28] <mattroyal> Does anyone have a moment to help me with the package system?
[22:29] <quentin> h0rnman: never mind. I wrote it wrong
[22:29] <stopmv> hi how to enable compiz snow plugin the unoffical plugins not available in the synaptic
[22:29] <h0rnman> quentin,  "cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.backup"?
[22:29] <erUSUL> BAiNE: what was the exact command you issued ?
[22:29] <ActionParsnip> shane2peru, its just a smart move, i work in computing a know the value of backup. some people need to get burned to realise
[22:29] <acicula> mattroyal: best to just ask your question
[22:29] <mattroyal> acicula: Thanks...
[22:29] <BAiNE> erUSUL: chown -R ubuntu /etc/
[22:29] <shane2peru> ActionParsnip, agreed!
[22:29] <quentin> h0rnman: i left out the original xorg.conf
[22:29] <acicula> !backup
[22:30] <BAiNE> erUSUL: sudo chown -R ubuntu /etc/
[22:30] <mattroyal> I'm on Ubuntu 9.04 and trying to upgrade from Ruby 1.8.6 to Ruby 1.8.7.  Looking at this page http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty-updates/ruby1.8, it looks like 1.8.7 should be the default, but yet I can't seem to update to it.
[22:30] <mattroyal> I run "sudo apt-get update" and then "sudo apt-get install ruby1.8" and it says it already has the most recent version.
[22:30] <Kashuya> I'm connected to a VPN, however I can't ping a machine on the network, and no other machine can ping mine either
[22:30] <erUSUL> BAiNE: ok; boot into recovery mode (in the grub menu); choose "drop to a root shell" and execute « chown -R root /etc/ »
[22:30] <duckx0r> BAiNE, why would you chown your /etc/ directory?
[22:31] <acicula> mattroyal: apt-cache policy <pacakgename> will show you the current installed versions and installation candidates,if any
[22:32] <BAiNE> duckx0r: because I'm half retarded :)
[22:32] <duckx0r> BAiNE, yeah i've been there :P
[22:32] <mattroyal> acicula: I get this output http://pastie.org/794283
[22:32] <erUSUL> BAiNE: then come back here
[22:32] <BAiNE> erUSUL: thanks!  I'm gonna try that now.....
[22:33] <acicula> mattroyal:  Package pin: <IP_ADDRESS>-2ubuntu1
[22:34] <mattroyal> acicula: But I notice it lists 1.8.7, too.  I didn't set up this box, so I'm not sure how it was configured.  Is there a way to unpin that version?
[22:34] <acicula> mattroyal: its pinned at that version, remove the pin and try to update again?
[22:34] <acicula> !pinning
[22:34] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip, when do iwlist scan the belkin usb adapter sees my neughbours Belkin roter as the number one access point , and my 2wire which gets a much better signal as the secondary...there's gotta be away to change the order . the adpter tries to connect to the neighbour's belkin even though it's only at 10% of my 2wire's signal. Can I blacklisthe neibour's router somehow ?
[22:34] <teage> Please anyone! Please go to your applications and right click, edit, system tools, and give me the command for root terminal. Please.
[22:34] <teage> I have deleted it
[22:34] <erUSUL> teage: gksudo gnome-terminal
[22:34] <teage> opps
[22:35] <teage> erUSUL: thank you
[22:35] <mattroyal> acicula ubottu: Thank you both... you've saved me a lot of frustration
[22:35] <acicula> mattroyal: np, glad the bot knows all the right links
[22:36] <quentin> h0rnman: what was the reconfigure supposed to do? xorg.conf hasn't any changes
[22:37] <h0rnman> it's an attempt to force X to strip out any special cases it may have for your machine...deleting xorg.conf would /probably/ do the same thing, but I have neve been brave enough to try that
[22:37] <saviorfromthenor> hello
[22:37] <Welshy-Rob> saviorfromthenor, hi
[22:38] <h0rnman> quentin, if that doesn't work, you may just need to backup your system and roll back to 9.04.  I have had problems from time to time with upgrading breaking my video drivers, especially for an integrated card
[22:38] <Kashuya> Is it normal for "route" to return a blank table after vpn'ing?
[22:38] <trey_> whats the name of that applet in dsl
[22:38] <trey_> it has all system info in it
[22:39] <quentin> h0rnman: ah darn it. I was hoping I wouldn't have to do that
[22:39] <trey_> allways on the top right
[22:39] <trey_> does any one know
[22:39] <songer> hello
[22:39] <quentin> h0rnman: I can set the resolution through the nvidia configuration, but only for one login. Then it resets.
[22:40] <DirtyDrag0n> Howdy folks... Anyone have any info on how I might get DisplayPort working on an ATI card in 9.10 ?
[22:40] <h0rnman> did you try running the nvidia config panel with gksudo?
[22:40] <mattroyal> acicula: I tried what the wiki suggests to unpin (echo ruby1.8 install | dpkg --set-selections), but it's still showing up as pinned in apt-cache and it still won't upgrade
[22:40] <saviorfromthenor> irc://ubuntu/Welshy-Rob,thanks
[22:41] <quentin> h0rnman: i already tried gksudo on that panel. didn't work
[22:41] <trey_> any one
[22:41] <h0rnman> quentin, does the nvidia panel have a way to set res via the command line?
[22:41] <BAiNE> erUSUL: thank you so much!  worked like a charm. Whew! I will be using gksudo or sudo from now on......
[22:42] <dansku> how do I convert a .avi to .mpg or .mov in ubuntu using the terminal???
[22:42] <trey_> i smoke weed so i got all day
[22:42] <erUSUL> BAiNE: not so quick thare are files in etc that needs fixing... « sudo chown couchdb:couchdb /etc/couchdb/ »
[22:43] <quentin> h0rnman: don't know
[22:43] <shane2peru> ok, how do I keep gnome from automounting usb disk?
[22:44] <shane2peru> used to be in the System menu some option to do this, I forget what it is?
[22:44] <BAiNE> erUSUL: tells me "couchdb" is an invalid user....
[22:44] <quentin> h0rnman: I have output from running nvidia-settings ->Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
[22:44] <quentin> Undefined Device "nVidia Corporation GeForce 6100 nForce 430" referenced by Screen "Default Screen".
[22:44] <trey_> anyone  dsl.applet.top right of desktop.system info
[22:44] <iflema> trey_ gkrellm
[22:44] <trey_> thank you
[22:45] <erUSUL> BAiNE: then nevermind; XD
[22:45] <iflema> trey_ look @ conky gay but fun 4 a while
[22:45] <quentin> i tried to write to xorg.conf and nvidia-settings closed and got error
[22:45] <rizitis> dansku, http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-linux-create-video-dvds.html
[22:46] <mattroyal> acicula: Nevermind, I figured it out... had to edit /etc/apt/preferences.  Thanks again
[22:46] <magik_> Anyone around here might be able to help me with some dns resolution problems?
[22:47] <macman_> does anyone use a command line tool to rip dvd's besides mplayer / dvdbackup .. if so does it rip encrypted dvds
[22:47] <happy> magik_: ask a specific question. Include info like what dns server you are using
[22:47] <magik_> I can't seem to "dig" anything... even when specifying the the DNS server using @ - such as dig google.com @<IP_ADDRESS>
[22:47] <DreamDemon|compi> macman_, I dont know about command line but dvd:RIP does pretty well
[22:47] <dansku> bit I want to convert using ffmpeg
[22:47] <happy> magik_: do you host the dns server?
[22:47] <h0rnman> quentin, In xorg.conf, the system uses those labels to keep everything straight.  Seciotn DEVICE, MONITOR, and SCREN should all have the same IDENTIFIER string
[22:48] <happy> magik_: pastebin your /etc/resolv.conf
[22:48] <terje> dig @<IP_ADDRESS> google.com
[22:48] <trey_> iflema tryd it i just needed something basic
[22:48] <magik_> i dont believe so
[22:48] <h0rnman> if they don't that may be why you're having a problem
[22:48] <magik_> i've tried adding the nameservers to resolv - i have dnsmsaq on my tomator router
[22:48] <fluxy> Hello. Could anyone please tell me where I can find bittorrent download for ubuntu netbook remix?
[22:48] <magik_> *tomato router - and i've had the DHCP on the router tells my dhcp client to use <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:48] <solifugus> #firefox
[22:48] <quentin> h0rnman: does this mean the system can't see what it needs to do if those are different
[22:48] <happy> !remix | fluxy
[22:49] <terje> well, I dont' actually know what <IP_ADDRESS> is but one of Google's name servers is <IP_ADDRESS> so to use dig, you would run: dig @<IP_ADDRESS> google.com
[22:49] <magik_> network-manager currently configures my resolv.conf to use "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>"
[22:49] <happy> !netbook | fluxy
[22:49] <magik_> <IP_ADDRESS> - is level3's nameserver
[22:49] <happy> hm
[22:49] <magik_> i've tried <IP_ADDRESS> w/ the dig and it doesn't work
[22:49] <magik_> but  i can ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:49] <h0rnman> quentin, essentially, you end up with one or more orphaned identifiers, and one or more incomplete entries
[22:49] <fluxy> happy: umm?
[22:50] <happy> fluxy: I expected ubottu to know :-\
[22:50] <Pici> !unr
[22:50] <happy> fluxy: http://www.ubuntu.com/GetUbuntu/download-netbook
[22:50] <magik_> just tried "dig @<IP_ADDRESS> google.com" and it says: http://pastebin.org/82324
[22:51] <fluxy> happy: the get download page does not have bittorrent
[22:51] <DreamDemon|compi> happy, looks like the bot was just being slow - lol
[22:51] <Subby> Hi! How to append a string on a bash-variable, like file="myfile"  --> $fileiscool  <-- doesn't work because interpreter looks for variable "myfileiscool"
[22:51] <magik_> whereas "ping <IP_ADDRESS>" produces: http://pastebin.org/82325
[22:51] <happy> DreamDemon|compi: or Pici did it ;-)
[22:51] <magik_> i just don't get it.....
[22:51] <erUSUL> Subby: ask in #bash
[22:51] <Subby> sry, looks for variable "fileiscool"
[22:51] <Subby> erUSUL: okay, sorry
[22:51] <happy> magik_: disable whatever you tomato router is doing
[22:52]  * DreamDemon|compi sings 'Compiling we will go, compiling we will go - hi ho a derio a compiling we will go"
[22:52] <happy> magik_: it may be hijacking your dns request.
[22:52] <magik_> i've tried that as well - the other weird thing, is that the tomato router gets DHCP ip from ISP - and it doesn't obtain any nameservers either
[22:52] <macman_> has anyone used filestat ? if so where can i get it
[22:52] <happy> DreamDemon|compi: that sounds like a great song for the go programming language :-P
[22:52] <damanmagee> does anybode know how to get sound working on gyachi on kubuntu 9.10. pulse audio plug in selected but still no luck
[22:52] <erUSUL> macman_: wha t does filestat do ?
[22:52] <magik_> and when i tcpdump the interface - and do a dig - i don't see any traffic
[22:53] <macman_> erUSUL: dunno .. thats why im asking you -_-
[22:53] <DreamDemon|compi> happy, Just wasting time while I compile a vanilla kernel to MY needs
[22:53] <happy> magik_: hm... I got know ideas
[22:53] <terje> dig is UDP based
[22:53] <magik_> IIRC dig uses tcp when you do the @
[22:53] <happy> DreamDemon|compi: as I said, you should sing it on #go-nuts lol
[22:53] <DreamDemon|compi> happy, lol
[22:53] <terje> magik_: what does this do.. telnet <IP_ADDRESS> 53
[22:53] <happy> DreamDemon|compi: go-nuts is the programming language
[22:54] <magik_> terje: seems to connect fine
[22:54] <BAiNE> thanks for your help erUSUL
[22:54] <saviorfromthenor> anyone tried the vanilla install for usb? (if that what its acalled)
[22:54] <DreamDemon|compi> happy, I shoud join and post that then leave - lol
[22:54] <erUSUL> BAiNE: no problem
[22:54] <happy> DreamDemon|compi: lol
[22:54] <magik_> or at least doesn't complain about connecting - what do i type once i telnet to get a response?
[22:54] <quentin> h0rnman: Device = Identifier	"Configured Video Device",
[22:54] <quentin> Monitor = Identifier	"Generic Monitor",
[22:54] <quentin> Screen = Identifier	"Default Screen" <- this is what i have
[22:55] <madmike> how do I enable mouse scrolling of my desktops?    Call me an idiot....
[22:55] <terje> nothing
[22:55] <DreamDemon|compi> happy, If I get a good compile this time I'm gonna be soooooo annoyed with git
[22:55] <terje> type CTRL + ] to disconnect
[22:55] <h0rnman> quentin, Try changing them all to read "Default Screen"
[22:55] <magik_> terje: seems to connect - if i type anything - it just says Connection closed by foreign host.
[22:55] <koshari> madmike use the cube, and mouse scroller to rotate
[22:55] <quentin> h0rnman: going to try that
[22:55] <happy> DreamDemon|compi: compiling a kernel with next to nothing in it is hard.   Stripped out all the crap that isnt even in my machine nor connected to it ( or ever will ) ... like token ring, atm, etc
[22:56] <gtfo> DESU DESU DESU DESUDESU DESUDESU DESUDESU DESU
[22:56] <gtfo> DESU DESUDESU DESUDESU DESUDESU DESUDESU DESU
[22:56] <FloodBot3> gtfo: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:56] <gtfo> DESU DESUDESU DESUDESU DESUDESU DESUDESU DESUDESU DESU
[22:56] <terje> magik_: what does this return: dig @<IP_ADDRESS> google.com
[22:57] <madmike> koshari:  where is mouse scroller?  I got desktop cube working, but I can't find any options.  All it gives me is key grabbing
[22:57] <DreamDemon|compi> Seeker`, ty
[22:57] <happy> DreamDemon|compi: I tried to strip out everything that was not needed for a vm
[22:57] <koshari> madmike in between the left and right buttons on the mouse
[22:57] <magik_> terje: http://pastebin.org/82328
[22:57] <madmike> ok
[22:57] <bcj> Hi all.  My laptop DVD drive seems to click every few minutes - I think this might be to do with the kernel polling for a new disc, but it appears as a bug.  Does anyone have any info?
[22:58] <DreamDemon|compi> happy, amusing how I havent gotten nearly the error msgs from vanilla as I did from git so far
[22:58] <happy> DreamDemon|compi: I suggest starting with the ubuntu sources.   Something to do with merged config files.  Tired of it puking and manually force feeding it to work like it's supposed to
[22:59] <koshari> madmike open up xev and check for what event your scroller posts
[22:59] <Trizicus> When my mouse is on the edges (top, bottom, left, right) when I am in an application I cannot scroll I have to have my mouse pointer not on the edges. Does anything have any suggestions?
[22:59] <quentin> h0rnman: wtf! my settings didn't stay on reboot, and now i have less resolutions to choose from in nvidia-settings
[22:59] <Trizicus> anyone*
[22:59] <terje> magik_: to restart your local interfaces, do: /etc/init.d/networking restart
[23:00] <magik_> same thing terje - as the <IP_ADDRESS>. or <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:00] <madmike> cool, never knew about xev, thanks
[23:00] <h0rnman> which resolutions are available?
[23:00] <terje> you're blocking outbound UDP port 53
[23:00] <magik_> hrm.....
[23:00] <bcj> quentin: Could you have chosen an invalid setting and forced a failsafe situation?
[23:00] <tUibm> Hello!! can somebody help me?? i have a black screen when i activate the restricted drivers for my nvidia graphic card on my laptop =( using ubunto 9.10 and i have the same problem when i install it manually downloading the latest driver from nvida website
[23:00] <Trizicus> When my mouse is on the edges (top, bottom, left, or right) and I try to scroll using my mouse wheel I cannot scroll I have to have my mouse pointer not on the edges. Does anyone have any suggestions for this?
[23:00] <koshari> madmike then you somply allocate the key to the binding
[23:01] <bcj> tUibm: Yep - don't use the restricted driver :-)
[23:01] <koshari> madmike my scroller is button 4 and button 5
[23:01] <ganymede> i have an LDAP user with an NFS mounted home directory across ubuntu 8.10 and 9.10 clients. how would i append a "." to my sh PATH in a way across all these computers? i tried putting, "export PATH=$PATH:." in .profile but . still doesn't show up in PATH
[23:01] <quentin> bcj: possible. yet my settings worked in intrepid. not in karmic
[23:01] <magik_> how the hell did this happen overnight....
[23:01] <happy> ganymede:  put it in .bashrc
[23:02] <bcj> quentin: Are you using the same driver?
[23:02] <h0rnman> quentin, which resolutions do you have available right now?
[23:02] <madmike> koshari:  yup, button 2 is scroller, and 4/5 for up/down, they are already assigned to events, just nothing happens when I try to use them
[23:02] <erUSUL> magik_: looked into the /var/log/Xorg.0.log ??
[23:02] <happy> ganymede: puting . in your path is not considered a good idea
[23:02] <terje> ganymede: not a great idea.. but that syntax is correct for bashrc files
[23:02] <happy> terje: beat you to it :-P
[23:03] <terje> :)
[23:03] <tUibm> bcj: but i cant see fullscreen videos without it.... =( and i cant use the full graphic enviroment....
[23:03] <erUSUL> ganymede: do *not* do that. period
[23:03] <fluxy> I have managed to find torrents for various ubuntu images, including unr: http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/ . Thanks All.
[23:03] <magik_> erUSUL: why Xorg log?
[23:03] <happy> fluxy: great :-)
[23:03] <Kinetic|work> is there an easy/clean wyt o kill kde once its launched...other than logging out
[23:04] <koshari> madmike thats odd? possobly you have a clash of events, however it will usually trll you,
[23:04] <ganymede> happy, it's a workaround for a program that expects "source myscript.sh" to source "./myscript.sh" but in sh 4.x, they removed . for the search path for "source". currently, i'm adding a line of code in the python source to workaround this but it's becoming cumbersome to keep patching the python source
[23:04] <erUSUL> magik_: oops sorry; not for you
[23:04] <magik_> ok, i was like wtf does X have to do with DNS hahaha
[23:04] <madmike> koshari:  thanks for the help, I have to go though, I'll keep playing with it later though
[23:04] <terje> ganymede: use $HOME instead
[23:04] <magik_> but that does bring me to another problem - ever since upgrading the distro - my VMWARE can't get good drivers.... but whatever, that doesn't bother me a lot right now
[23:04] <benn1> hello - looking for some help with S3 video on xubuntu8.04 x86 - live cd seemed to live the video card fine and loaded my monitor's native res automatically but after install has completed it is defaulting to either 8x6 or lower not sure which.
[23:04] <happy> ganymede: why not put in the path where myscript is
[23:04] <magik_> freaking DNS not working is pissing me off
[23:04] <quentin> h0rnman: 1360x768, 152x864, 1024x768, 800x600, 680x384, 640x480, 512x384,  400x300, 320x240
[23:04] <thidrito> o_o
[23:05] <magik_> so what updates resolv.conf ? i thought network-manager ?
[23:05] <quentin> h0rnman: I had many more before. lol
[23:05] <ganymede> happy, well i could try that...but then i don't know where else this python program does "sh -c "source myscript.sh"" so i would have to go and find all scripts that it sources and add them all to PATH
[23:05] <koshari> madmike the cursur needs to be on the desktop and NOT over an app for rotate btw
[23:05] <terje> magik_: dhclient updates /etc/resolv.conf
[23:05] <erUSUL> ganymede: . file works fine here (for sourcing) or did i missandertood you ?
[23:06] <h0rnman> quentin, try setting something via nvidia-config, then restart X
[23:06] <terje> well, that's one of the programs that touches /etc/resolv.conf, network-manager also does
[23:06] <tUibm> anyone???
[23:06] <terje> if you hard-code DNS servers in it
[23:06] <C4colo> so, when is sun-java6-jdk broken packages thing in the repos actually going to be fixed?  Last I saw there was a ticket saying "this is just a problem with the headers" and no workaround or anything ...
[23:06] <terje> otherwise dhclient gets them off the network
[23:06] <magik_> grrrrr - so my router is my DHCP server - it gets the DHCP dns nameservers from my ISP - i DHCP to the router - and it gives me the nameservers as well.....
[23:06] <C4colo> I should never have upgraded to 9.10
[23:06] <PabloRS> somebody of you has been in the talks of day of the user's ubuntu?
[23:06] <magik_> now why the hell is it getting blocked
[23:06] <quentin> nvidia settings Model is set to CRT as well. I have an LCD
[23:06] <magik_> is there a way to dns resolve over tcp?
[23:06] <erUSUL> ganymede: could be just that the program spects sh to be bash and it braks becouse in ubuntu/debian sh is *dash*
[23:07] <quentin> h0rnman: what command should i use to restart x
[23:07] <terje> magik_: have you tried your ISP's name servers?
[23:07] <h0rnman> quentin, again...try adjusting your settings in nvidia-config to something more sensical, then reboot
[23:07] <quentin> h0rnman: ok
[23:07] <magik_> terje - i just moved back to them now
[23:07] <bcj> erUSUL: I think the default _boot-time_ shell is DASH, but is the user shell default not still BASH?
[23:08] <magik_> at least getting them through DHCP from router - which just got them from DHCP from ISP
[23:08] <magik_> and that doesn't work either....
[23:08] <ganymede> erUSUL, make a file called test.sh in your current directory that does echo "HELLO" and then in sh, try ". test.sh" will not work but try ". ./test.sh"
[23:08] <terje> quentin: /etc/init.d/gdm restart will restart your X session
[23:08] <magik_> my router is resolving them fine....
[23:08] <erUSUL> bcj: yes login shell is bash. but /bin/sh is dash
[23:08] <terje> w/o a reboot
[23:08] <magik_> so im guessing ur right... something is blocking my UDP
[23:08] <bcj> erUSUL: Ah
[23:08] <magik_> is there a default firewall in ubuntu?
[23:08] <magik_> should iptables have any entries in it?
[23:08] <happy> bcj: pretty much they use dash as the default shell. But for users it is Bash. That way the system scipts have fast execution and the users get all the features of bash
[23:08] <saviorfromthenor> gtg
[23:09] <h0rnman> terje, Yes, but we want to see if the settings will persist across a reboot
[23:09] <C4colo> anyone use the sun java jdk on ubuntu, other than myself and the two other people who commented on the ticket regarding the issue?
[23:09] <bcj> happy: I'd like to see a VM-based shell that can run bytecode at boot-time.
[23:09] <bcj> A much better idea in my opinion :-)
[23:09] <erUSUL> ganymede: true
[23:10] <terje> then reboot it !
[23:10] <keysersoze> exit
[23:10] <terje> don't ask how to restart X if you want to see if your settings persist a reboot.
[23:10] <terje> jackalope
[23:10] <tUibm> Hello!! can somebody help me?? i have a black screen when i activate the restricted drivers for my nvidia graphic card on my laptop =( using ubunto 9.10 and i have the same problem when i install it manually downloading the latest driver from nvida website
[23:11] <bcj> tUibm: Have you tried all of the options you get from the restricted driver tool?
[23:11] <bcj> Often you get the option to try the latest and a few stable versions.
[23:11] <quentin> back - the resolution defaulted to auto which shows a rather smallish resolution
[23:12] <quentin> my settings didn't stick
[23:12] <tUibm> i cant, because when i activate it it ask me for a reboot... when a reboot i have the black screen..
[23:12] <h0rnman> are your nvidia-config settings back to the low settings?
[23:12] <Admin__> is there a graphical wget-like Software-Center for windows ????
[23:12] <buttons840> Hi, I'm looking at the wine-gecko package wondering if it will allow the poorly designed website to work; which refuses to work with anything other than internet explorer?
[23:12] <magik_> grrrr i dont get it.... i can do nslookup in win7 from behind the router - but the ubuntu box in my VM machine on my win7 box can't get dns?
[23:13] <quentin> h0rnman: the settings are back to low
[23:13] <h0rnman> quentin, ok....try running nvidia-config with gksudo this time.  Also, is it still throwing those errors?
[23:13] <magik_> could it be a vmware setting screwing this up? i upgraded recently
[23:13] <ganymede> erUSUL, rather than working around this in the python source (which apparently automatically updates itself for this proprietary app), i'd like to workaround it automatically for all machines that use this LDAP user
[23:13] <magik_> errr not vmware, but virtualbox
[23:13] <Ravm> buttons84: I'm not sure, but if it's using the gecko engine it probably won't. But like I said, I'm not sure.
[23:14] <quentin> i can't get it to write to xorg.conf with gksudo
[23:14] <erUSUL> ganymede: funnily enough if the file is a dotfile it works .... « . .test » works but « . test » fails .... go figure
[23:14] <ganymede> erUSUL, and what i'm also confused is that, "source ./myfile" doesn't work but ". ./myfile" works whereas i could swear i was using source rather than . in the past
[23:15] <kbrosnan> buttons840: doubtful, there is ms ie for wine, though depending on what the site needs it might not work either
[23:15] <ganymede> with sh on ubuntu 9.10
[23:15] <hlfshell> How do i tell what group a function is in?
[23:15] <h0rnman> quentin, what do you mean by that?
[23:15] <hlfshell>  i need to add my user to a group that has access to the serial ports (ttyS0 to ttyUSB0)
[23:15] <quentin> the resolution on the box when I got this monitor said 1440x900 yet that is not an option in nvidia-settings
[23:15] <erUSUL> hlfshell: see what are the permissions of that files
[23:15] <buttons840> Ravm, bah; it's frustrating to no end when flash works with any website but this very important site i need to use reports "flash 10 must be installed" so i surf over to adobes test site and a lovely flash 10 animation plays and says "you have flash 10 installed"; i call tech support and as soon as the the word "firefox" leave my mouth the conversation is over
[23:15] <hlfshell> ls -al erUSUL ?
[23:15] <erUSUL> hlfshell: ls -l /dev/ttyS0
[23:16] <erUSUL> hlfshell: in my system group dialout can access it
[23:16] <hlfshell> in my system it complains about permissions
[23:16] <quentin> h0rnman: i thought maybe clicking "write to xorg" would keep the settings in nvidia-settings
[23:17] <h0rnman> quentin, can you run the nvidia configuration tool with superuser privs?
[23:17] <Ravm> buttons840: I know what you mean, I have this site I have to visit regularly which fails to load on anything but IE6. I tried everything.
[23:17]  * erUSUL this groupname does not make sense anymore since serial modems are a thing of the past ...
[23:17] <h0rnman> if not, what does it do when you try?
[23:17] <buttons840> usually it comes from websites required by work or school i notice, as any other website so narrow minded goes away quickly
[23:17] <quentin> h0rnman: i can use gksudo with nvidia-settings if that's what you mean
[23:18] <Ravm> buttons840: True.
[23:18] <daftykins> quentin: i usually run it by hitting alt+f2 to get the run box, then "gksudo nvidia-settings" there
[23:18] <h0rnman> why not?  what happens when you try?
[23:18] <h0rnman> yeah
[23:18] <sdwrage> Hey guys, is there a way to stream a video stream of your desktop environment (display) to, say, an xbox 360 as a video feed?
[23:18] <Admin__> Does anyone know how to make Wubi boot by default instead of windows?
[23:18] <h0rnman> that's it :)
[23:18] <buttons840> Ravm, is there anything easy in the repos to install IE on ubuntu?
[23:19] <Losha> erUSUL: I still have a serial modem. I even used it once, about 6 months ago, when comcast shut me off by mistake. I even made them pay for a month's subscription to a dial-up service...
[23:19] <erUSUL> Losha: :) i stand corrected then XD my dial up modem is usb still in a box somewhere
[23:20] <quentin> ok, i ran gksudo nvidia-settings and I'm looking at the window now
[23:20] <Ravm> buttons840: I just found this, not sure if it works though: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/ies4linux
[23:20] <buttons840> Ravm, great, thanks for the help and listening to my rant :)
[23:21] <Losha> erUSUL: some ofthe more rural parts of the US still only have dialup, apparently. We hear from them here on IRC from time to time....
[23:21] <quentin> what should i change in nvidia-settings?
[23:21] <DreamDemon|compi> talk about messed up.  git source want to error out from hell but kernel.org source actually compiles woithout the headaches
[23:21] <h0rnman> quentin, can you change res settings?  If so, change them to something resembling what they should be
[23:22] <h0rnman> then try to save them, then reboot and see if they stick
[23:22] <queso> Is a firefix-3.6 package planned for Jaunty?
[23:23] <quentin> h0rnman: failed to parse, should I restart any way
[23:24] <h0rnman> quentin, nwhen did it say that?
[23:24] <PlasmaSheep> How come I can't mount windows as an unprivileged user?
[23:25] <quentin> h0rnman: after clicking -> Save to X Configuration File
[23:25] <sdwrage> Hey guys, is there a way to stream a video stream of your desktop environment (display) to, say, an xbox 360 as a video feed?
[23:26] <vlt> Hello. I want to do some timeline-based video editing. What tool can I use on ubuntu?
[23:27] <h0rnman> wow...that was unexpected....try restarting...but I don't think it will work.  You may have to roll back the MODES... changes you made earlier then try nvidia-settings as root again
[23:27] <iKernel> guess what I got working
[23:27] <iKernel> wifi :D
[23:27] <arand> vlt: there are pitivi and kino, pitivi is due for inclsion in lucid btw.
[23:27] <erUSUL> ganymede: people over bash told me that it fails becouse bash look first in PATH for sourcing the file so if there is a file named like the script in path it will be sourced first
[23:27] <koshari> sdwrage vlc may have some way, but your looking at a lot of bandwidth, a similar outcome may be rdp
[23:27] <erUSUL> ganymede: and if it is a binary file bash chokes
[23:27] <magik_> weird.... i guess i figured out my problem... or at least bypassed it.... my tomato router has some DNS caching functionality - i guess u were right terje - it was intercepting my DNS rqeuests and i dunno wtf it was doing with them
[23:28] <PlasmaSheep> How come I can't mount windows as an unprivileged user? How can I do so?
[23:28] <magik_> ughhhh now im getting bombarded with cron system messages yay
[23:28] <erUSUL> ganymede: echo 'echo "Hello"' > test.sh && . test.sh  <<< this works here as spected
[23:28] <ELoXL> by any chance will anyone know how to save trackpad setting for a PPC G4 after initialising "sudo trackpad drag/tap
[23:28] <quentin> h0rnman: that's the error that comes up every time i try to save a resolution
[23:28] <ELoXL> after rebooting the computer the trackpadsetting do not take effect again until i type in the command
[23:29] <koshari> quentin you can always preview the xorg fille, then copy and past using gedit
[23:30] <h0rnman> quentin, well...try dropping to a terminal, backup xorg.conf, delete xorg.conf, then rerun nvidia-settings as superuser and see if it will let you save
[23:30] <teage> i have found the command for the default  root terminal
[23:30] <teage> gksu /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator
[23:30] <geirha> ganymede: To be on the safe side, prepend it with a relative path, ./, like you do when executing something in the current dir.
[23:31] <PlasmaSheep> How come I can't mount windows as an unprivileged user? How can I do so?
[23:32] <ganymede> geirha, except that the python source that's firing off this source command likes to update itself and thus reset whatever workarounds i write into it
[23:32] <DreamDemon|compi> !ntfs|PlasmaSheep
[23:32] <koshari> PlasmaSheep you mean your windows partition?
[23:32] <jofo> Hello. I have a printer problem: a Samsung CLP-310 under Ubuntu Karmic. It always prints the same error message as described here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/foo2zjs/+bug/306004
[23:32] <jofo> On that same page it's suggested to "Manually set it to CLP-315 driver". How can I do it?
[23:32] <DreamDemon|compi> !ntfs-3g|PlasmaSheep
[23:32] <sdwrage> koshari, probably not worth it :P I will stick to playing my snes roms on my PC
[23:32] <h0rnman> quentin, barring that, all I can suggest is to keep plugging away at it, using google to try to find a solution, or just roll back
[23:33] <h0rnman> we've reached the limit of what I know about X configs
[23:33] <koshari> sdwrage agreed
[23:33] <geirha> ganymede: Huh? You're trying to source a sh script in python?
[23:33] <ganymede> geirha, yeah, it's not my python code, it's from sidefx for houdini 10.0 hqueue client, and that's what they do
[23:34] <geirha> ganymede: Why source it then? Why not just execute it?
[23:35] <clicker4721> quick question: is there a way to completely back up your system? i don't mean files, I mean everything--making an identical bootable copy (bootable only if necessary though)
[23:35] <koshari> clicker4721 there are many ways
[23:35] <clicker4721> I mainly just want to keep all my programs and all the configurations, the files don't mean as much to me, those are easy
[23:35] <clicker4721> koshari: such as...
[23:35] <geirha> ganymede: Well, the proper thing to do in any case is to file a bug on it.
[23:35] <koshari> clicker4721 dd partimage rsync ect
[23:36] <ganymede> here is the HQCOMMANDS environmental variable: not sure how to interpret it but maybe you do: {"pythonCommands": "export HFS=\"/opt/HFS\" && python2.5", "hythonCommands": "export HFS=\"/opt/HFS\" && cd $HFS && source houdini_setup && hython -u", "mantraCommands": "export HFS=\"/opt/HFS\" && cd $HFS && source houdini_setup && python2.5 $HFS/houdini/scripts/hqueue/hq_mantra.py"}
[23:36] <lektronx> i am having a little trouble with aptitude under sudo in karmic. for some reason i am able to sudo aptitude install but if i sudo aptitude upgrade it always complains of /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[23:36] <clicker4721> koshari: and that just copies utterly everything?
[23:36] <clicker4721> koshari: EVERYTHING?
[23:36] <lektronx> anyone else experiencing a similar problem or know of a solution?
[23:36] <ganymede> geirha, and in all honestly, i don't know what the difference between sourcing and executing a script is, but i want to get this work for now rather than waiting for sidefx to release their next version of houdini (which is probably not address this issue anyway)
[23:37] <koshari> clicker4721 partimare will copy the full disk partition byte for byte, however it dont support ext4 if your using that,
[23:37] <dreamy_> does anyone has any idea the 1st place to start for.. to find out wich games are made for linux ? anyone hepling ?
[23:37] <erUSUL> !games
[23:37] <PingFloyd> happypenguin.org
[23:37] <DreamDemon|compi> dreamy_, google
[23:37] <dreamy_> ok ty
[23:37] <geirha> ganymede: Does it specify bash as shell? If not, it'll use sh, which does not understand «source», posix sh only has «.»
[23:38] <ELoXL> if you have an intel chip you're in a better position than i am with my G4
[23:38] <stevenfgsdfg> Where is a good guide to learning Linux? pdf wise
[23:38] <ELoXL> i cant even get flash or java 1.6
[23:38] <stevenfgsdfg> Ubuntu in particular
[23:38] <clicker4721> koshari: no, i dont believe so, but that's easy to check. now, when you say partition, which one? i know that ubuntu default uses 4: /, /usr, /home, swap
[23:38] <koshari> clicker4721 kkep in mind that using a backup partition depending on OS/config may require the backup to be edited to get it to boot on a new dribve, ie, product activation, disk uuids in grub confs ect
[23:38] <geirha> ganymede: If it does specify bash, it should work if you add the dir containing houdini_setup to PATH
[23:38] <stevenfgsdfg> Where may I find a good pdf/html Ubuntu guide?
[23:38] <quentin> h0rnman: i have saved the config. do you want to see my xorg.conf. it looks totally different now
[23:39] <ganymede> geirha, when it fails because the script to source isn't in the PATH, it prints out a line that says something like: "sh: 1: source: file not found" which led me to believe it was sh, but yeah, you're right, sh doesn't understand source
[23:39] <koshari> clicker4721 /usr /home are directory NOT partitions
[23:39] <ganymede> geirha, however, if i append . to path with the python line: os.environ["PATH"] = os.environ["PATH"] + ":.", then it all of a sudden works, so i wanted to make this change permanent
[23:39] <lektronx> clicker4721: koshari is right. i've never seen ubuntu default to more than 1 partition
[23:40] <lektronx> (excluding swap of course)
[23:40] <kellopes> hello.. what is the command to search for a file in the whole computer?
[23:40] <daleharvey> locate ?
[23:40] <lektronx> kellopes: locate is usually fastest
[23:40] <koshari> kellopes locate?
[23:40] <kellopes> locate will search not just the bin i am in.. but everything??
[23:41] <lektronx> kellopes: however you might want to make sure updatedb was run the last time while the file you were looking for is on your computer
[23:41] <lektronx> otherwise, find would be your best bet
[23:41] <erUSUL> kellopes: yes run « sudo updatedb » so its DB is up to date
[23:41] <daleharvey> anyone good with gnome-do? I want to use it as a really quick way to switch between windows
[23:41] <kellopes> what this sudo command does?
[23:41] <koshari> clicker4721 fsarchiver is another cli opton
[23:41] <ganymede> geirha, when executing commands from the shell, it doesn't search PATH recursively, right?
[23:41] <Bizzeh> hi, i have just installed ubuntu and it refuses to run at full res on my monitor... my monitor and graphics card are both capable of 1920x1080, yet the maximum the display driver (prop ati and free) will display is 1680x1050, any idea how i fix this?
[23:42] <geirha> ganymede: That's dangerous, I'd rather just add a ./ infront of houdini_setup
[23:42] <daleharvey> so I basically want one button I can press where the focus command is selected and the next field picked
[23:42] <geirha> ganymede: Not recursive, that's correct
[23:42] <ganymede> geirha, but where would i add that? if i add it in the python source, it will reset when it auto-updates
[23:42] <kellopes> i am trying to locate the '/etc/modules' on my computer
[23:42] <ELoXL> run system testing in admin
[23:42] <koshari> kellopes you can also use the gui based "search"
[23:42] <geirha> ganymede: Btw, the coders of that script has commited «bashism». You can read about that here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DashAsBinSh
[23:42] <ELoXL> i think that might help withyour resolution issue - i  did it and it offered some help
[23:43] <shughes> how do i get the msn chat to work with linux.. for some reason this is preventing me chatting to multiple contacts tint he same window... and im not too computer savy..so coul any help be simple...
[23:43] <Bizzeh> ELoXL: how would i run testing?
[23:43] <geirha> ganymede: Then change it, and submit a patch to the developers, so it will auto-update "right" next time ;)
[23:43] <erUSUL> kellopes: if it is not there just create it
[23:43] <Bizzeh> nm, found it
[23:44] <lektronx> hmm... my problem seems to have resolved itself
[23:44] <hajmola> any way to test video and sound in Empathy?
[23:44] <lektronx> perhaps there was a temp conflict withupdate-notifier or something...
[23:44] <ELoXL> under system
[23:44] <ELoXL> then administration
[23:44] <ELoXL> then "System Testing"
[23:45] <ganymede> geirha, yep, i'll do that since we apparently have premium-level support...until then, gotta add "." to path or "/opt/HFS" (probably the option)
[23:46] <shughes> can anyone help with the msn messenger working with linux...? sorry to interupt you...
[23:46] <queso> okay, so I added the mozilla repositories and stuff, did a `sudo apt-get install firefox-3.6`, it didn't error out but it didn't look like it did anything . . says it's "already the newest version" when I try installing it again. What's up? firefox-3.6 is certainly not on my machine (Jaunty). Help?
[23:46] <daleharvey> shughes: do you really need msn? you can login to msn with empathy
[23:46] <clicker4721> koshari, lektronx: i've screwed aroun with slack a little, so I know the directories can be mounted on seperate partitions to make upgrades easier: the point of ubuntu; and when i installed mine, i saw that swap was on part. #5, and / on #1...i assumed. so, it doesn't need to be bootable, just recoverable, and what did you say the line was that'll do it?
[23:46] <grendal_prime> ok so ubuntu one is not available for 804?  this seems very strange.
[23:46] <shughes> sorry whats empathy?
[23:47]  * clicker4721 away for dinner
[23:47] <grendal_prime> it looks just like an fuse mount.
[23:47] <erUSUL> !away > clicker4721
[23:47] <ganymede> queso, i'm not familiar with that repository, but are you starting firefox using the menu item? maybe that menu item is pointing to firefox-3.5 and you have 3.5 and 3.6 installed alongside each other?
[23:47] <shughes> im not very tech savy... whats empathy?
[23:48] <grendal_prime> shughes: im client
[23:48] <ardchoille> !info empathy | shughes
[23:48] <queso> ganymede: I tried from the commandline with `firefox-3.6`. I followed the instructions here: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-firefox-3-6-in-ubuntu-karmicjauntyintrepidhardy.html
[23:48] <grendal_prime> like a newer version of pidgin from what i can tell
[23:48] <Bizzeh> ran system tests, still giving me same, saying max res is 1680x1050
[23:48] <shughes> okokok.. you are WAY ahead of what i can understand
[23:49] <ikthus> hi
[23:49] <shughes> is it possible to use msn messenger with the linux system?..as i cant connect with a bunch of contacts on the same window
[23:49] <ganymede> queso, and you can confirm that when you go to help->about, it reports that it's still firefox 3.5?
[23:49] <koshari> shughes empathy is the new default im program in ubuntu 9.10 and on
[23:50] <DreamDemon|compi> shughes, Not the Microsoft one
[23:50] <Bizzeh> how can i force X to use 1920x1080 if its not detecting it?
[23:50] <arand> shughes: Instant messaging client, like win live messenger, but it is able to connect to many different networks, including MSN, and IRC.
[23:50] <daftykins> shughes: are you saying you're not fond of Pidgin ?
[23:50] <Wolfwolf> I installed Jaunty as a dual boot OS on an Acer Aspire Netbook several months ago for a friend.  She now wants to return to windows only and remove the Ubuntu partition.  Is there a way to reset the windows boot and remove the Ubuntu partitions?
[23:50] <queso> ganymede: no, firefox-3.6 doesn't even run, says command not fount.
[23:50] <DaZ> Bizzeh: you can.
[23:50] <daftykins> Wolfwolf: you'll need her to either have a windows or ubuntu CD
[23:50] <koshari> Bizzeh it may be your screens edid info isnt getting to the gpu, you may need to enter it in the xorg file manually,
[23:50] <DaZ> Bizzeh: but you have to write your own xorg :f
[23:50] <Bizzeh> DaZ: how?
[23:50] <shughes> i couldnt tell ou what half that is...
[23:51] <ardchoille> queso: you might have to specify the entire path to firefox 3.6 as it may not be in your path
[23:51] <koshari> Bizzeh to begin with you will need your monitors edid info
[23:51] <DaZ> Bizzeh: do you by any chance have nvidia card?
[23:51] <hajmola> any idea why my built-in mic is ridiculously muddled?
[23:51] <ganymede> queso, the command "dpkg -l | grep firefox" shows that firefox-3.6 is installed?
[23:51] <Bizzeh> ati hd3970
[23:51] <queso> ganymede, ardchoille: I did sudo updatedb; locate firefox-3.6. It gives me docs and package info, but nothing in any bins.
[23:51] <Wolfwolf> daftykins:  the netbook doesn't have a cd rom.. we installed from USB image
[23:52] <koshari> Bizzeh whats your monitor?
[23:52] <daleharvey> queso: its not called firefox-3.6 I think, its got the funny beta name
[23:52] <PlasmaSheep> DreamDemon|compi: I know what those are
[23:52] <daleharvey> namarekuno or whatever
[23:52] <DreamDemon|compi> shughes, The actual Microsoft MSN client is not supported under linux.  instead there is a port of the communications protocol built into programs like empathy & pidgin.  if you want to use your msn account, you'll need to configure pidgin or empathy to use your msn account
[23:52] <Bizzeh> acer, something... 24" 1080p monitor
[23:52] <PlasmaSheep> koshari: yeah, I meant my windows partition
[23:52] <DaZ> namoroka >:
[23:52] <queso> daleharvey: oh man, that's convenient
[23:52] <ganymede> daleharvey, yeah, that's a good point...i didn't think of that
[23:52] <PlasmaSheep> DreamDemon|compi: when I follow the wiki guide, it tells me that I can't mount partitions not as root, due to "fuser" or something
[23:53] <iflema> shughes have you tried out amsn or emesene.
[23:53] <shughes> how so i configure pidgin or empathy to msn
[23:53] <queso> ganymede, ardchoille, daleharvey: thanks for your help, I'll go look for the funny beta name
[23:53] <daleharvey> shughes: just add accounts
[23:53] <daleharvey> pick msn
[23:53] <daftykins> Wolfwolf: ah, of course, sorry pretty tired here! put ubuntu on a flash drive then to make it a "live key" ?
[23:53] <DreamDemon|compi> PlasmaSheep, Correct, unless you know the uid & suid of the drive itself.  Be careful as you could render the drive data useless
[23:53] <daleharvey> now, anyone know how to start gnome-do with "focus" preselected and the next menu selected?
[23:53] <queso> ganymede, ardchoille, daleharvey: I don't get it, though, 'cause it's not in beta anymore
[23:53] <daleharvey> it would make switching windows awesome
[23:53] <shughes> does the amsn and emesen go through the windows live.. will i have to create a new account?
[23:54] <ganymede> queso, i have'nt played with that ppa myself, but maybe it created a menu item for firefox 3.6 that's named after the beta name and has a generic globe icon
[23:54] <AndreMorro[BR]> what up yall
[23:54] <ardchoille> queso: find / -type f -name firefox
[23:54] <ganymede> queso, since mozilla didn't compile it, and ubuntu ppa daily compiled it, they're not allowed to use firefox official branding
[23:54] <iflema> shughes yep... conference not positive...pretty sure amsn does
[23:54] <Wolfwolf> daftykins:  Thanks we'll give that a try and see what it does
[23:54] <daftykins> Wolfwolf: was it XP?
[23:54] <shughes> i will give it ago..thank you so much for your help..im sure i will be back to ask more!!
[23:54] <ganymede> queso, it's some mozilla licensing issue or trademark or some such legal stuff...i don't know the whole story behind it
[23:55] <iflema> shughes later
[23:55] <Wolfwolf> daftykins:  yeah, she has the Win Xp recovery partition but that didn't seem to rewrite the boot sector
[23:55] <MrUnix> !hi | AndreMorro[BR]
[23:55] <daftykins> Wolfwolf: check here: http://www.arsgeek.com/2008/01/15/how-to-fix-your-windows-mbr-with-an-ubuntu-livecd/
[23:55] <waldfrank> does anybody know what a "bling bling wanger wang software" means? (i don't if "wanger wang" is spelled correctly)
[23:55] <songer_> helllo
[23:55] <Wolfwolf> Thanks, I'll give that a go
[23:55] <MrUnix> !hi | songer
[23:55] <daftykins> np =]
[23:55] <AndreMorro[BR]> I'm back to try to help
[23:56] <Wolfwolf> My first question to her was "Why would you ever want to remove Ubuntu?"
[23:56] <daftykins> hehe :D
[23:56] <tx> has anyone enabled sli or been able to have 2 nvidia gpu's recognized?
[23:56] <daftykins> Wolfwolf: i am kinda curious as to why she wants rid too.
[23:56] <PlasmaSheep> DreamDemon|compi: This seems like waay more trouble than it's worth. I can't believe it's so difficult to just automount a partition. Thanks anyway.
[23:56] <ailaG2> nite
[23:56] <MrUnix> Wolfwolf, daftykins, because it's broken on their system?
[23:57] <DreamDemon|compi> PlasmaSheep, Thank Microsoft for not following standards
[23:57] <Wolfwolf> daftykins:  She's selling it to someone who's Windows only.
[23:57] <daftykins> ah
[23:57] <PlasmaSheep> DreamDemon|compi: Well, we can always do that.
[23:57] <DreamDemon|compi> PlasmaSheep, This is why I've been eliminating m$ systems in my environment.  Only thing left is my gaming rig & work laptop
[23:57] <koshari> PlasmaSheep if its a perminant drive you would simply add an entry into the fstab fiile
[23:58] <DreamDemon|compi> koshari, it's a ntfs drive
[23:58] <tx> has anyone successfully enabled SLI or a second nvidia GPU?
[23:58] <saviorfromthenor> hello
[23:58] <koshari> DreamDemon|compi so?
[23:58] <jazz_> hello everyone
[23:58] <MrUnix> !hi | saviorfromthenor
[23:58] <MrUnix> !hi | jazz_
[23:58] <tarelerulz> Does Chrome for Linux have bookmark syncing?
[23:58] <DreamDemon|compi> koshari, I do believe he was wanting to mount it as root
[23:58] <PlasmaSheep> koshari: I did that, and ntfs-3g gives me grief about "fuser"
[23:59] <jez__> hello
[23:59] <jez__> i'm having a problem with dhcpd
[23:59] <MrUnix> !ask | jez__
[23:59] <PlasmaSheep> DreamDemon|compi: I want to mount it so that I can access it from an unprivileged user
[23:59] <d_ed> what's the correct channel to seek help with packaging?
[23:59] <jazz_> oh i got questions, see im new here to xchat and linux (been on ubuntu for 4 maybe 5 months)
[23:59] <mneptok> PlasmaSheep: use files >4GB in size much?
[23:59] <jez__> when i run it, it fails.  /var/log/syslog says "not configured to run on any interfaces"
[23:59] <MrUnix> d_ed, what's the issue?
[23:59] <MrUnix> !ask | jazz_
[23:59] <PlasmaSheep> mneptok: No, why?
[23:59] <d_ed> I get: dpkg-gencontrol: error: must specify package since control info has many ()
[23:59] <jez__> however, i think there is valid configuration in my /etc/dhcpd.conf to get it to listen on eth2
[23:59] <d_ed> though the control file clearly only has one entry
[23:59] <jez__> so why is dhcpd failing?


[00:00] <sarnold> no, so it doesn't use /dev/sdc etc
[00:00] <sarnold> those names aren't persistant
[00:00] <sarnold> they can change across reboots
[00:04] <kinghat> that must be its default, correct?
[00:06] <sarnold> there is no default -- zfs uses whatever names you used in the zfs create command
[00:07] <sarnold> if you used the short names, that's what it'll use
[00:07] <sarnold> and if they change, you'll have a Bad Time
[00:08] <kinghat> ya that must be whats going on because i added drives to the system. i just figured it would find its zfs drives and do its thing 🤷♂ or at least find the drives and use the new device names, if that is the situation.
[00:12] <sarnold> because systems may have several thousand drives, it's not the default behaviour to go looking for drives, that'd take forever
[00:12] <sarnold> that's the reason for the cache file..
[00:12] <sarnold> but if it's busted, it'd be nice if it tried to help out a bit, heh
[04:48] <kinghat> sarnold: you still around?
[04:52] <kinghat> i exported the pool and did zpool import -d /dev/disk/by-id -a. seems to have worked. thanks again!
[05:14] <cpaelzer_> Intelo: even i915 has working vGPU support (less powerful as a GPU, but more compatible and easy to use actually), I tried it on my Laptop once
[12:08] <icey> jamespage: could you take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~chris.macnaughton/ubuntu/+source/openvswitch/+git/openvswitch/+merge/387852 ?
[13:03] <Peanut> auxin: #zfsonlinux may be a more useful venue for you to get help with recovering your data.
[18:03] <sarnold> kinghat: is everything all sorted out with your pool? :)
[18:04] <kinghat> sarnold: it seems to be but i havent pulled the power and all that to really test it. i will in an hour or so.
[18:07] <sarnold> kinghat: heh, yeah, I know the reluctance to actually *test* those kinds of things..
[18:49] <|\n> hello, since 20.04 i need some `ebtables -t broute` equivalent, is there any?
[18:58] <sarnold> |\n: what happens when you use it? it's still documented in the ebtables manpage on my 20.04 laptop anyway
[19:01] <|\n> sarnold, in my case it drops certain frames from certain interface
[19:03] <|\n> well it was doing so at 18.04
[19:05] <|\n> it was pretty sweet and cozy to look into if_ether.h and drop something heh
[19:28] <sdeziel> is there a way to prevent a package upgrade from running the .postinst script?
[19:30] <|\n> exclude it from package / repackage maybe
[19:30] <sarnold> sdeziel: unpackage it by hand?
[19:30] <|\n> though doesn't sound like a good idea
[19:30] <sdeziel> sarnold: it's what https://askubuntu.com/questions/482928/ignore-apt-get-postinstall-scripts-automatically suggests too :(
[19:31] <sdeziel> not what I was looking for but thanks anyway ;)
[19:32] <sarnold> sdeziel: maybe try the touch postinst thing, then set immutable?
[19:32] <sarnold> sdeziel: probaby dpkg will blow up and leave you with a big mess. but maybe it will ignore errors?
[19:32] <sdeziel> sarnold: that's what I tried at first but I'm in a container where the underlying FS doesn't let me
[19:33] <sarnold> sdeziel: if the package in question shld do different things in a container, that's probably worth a bug report
[19:33] <sdeziel> in lxd containers backed by btrfs or zfs, I get a permission denied on the chattr +i
[19:34] <sarnold> yeah, that part makes sense
[19:34] <sdeziel> yeah, I'll probably end up reporting this as a bug but it's not because it's in a container
[19:35] <sdeziel> it's too hard to run MySQL read-only replicas on Ubuntu IMHO
[19:36] <sarnold> ugh yes, that's gonna be annoying
[19:36] <sarnold> that script deserves a MYSQL_DO_NOTHING
[19:37] <sdeziel> I'd like the postinst to not explode when in read_only and/or super_read_only mode
[19:40] <sdeziel> sweet, the bug affects MySQL 5.7 only :)
[19:59] <sdeziel> closing the loop: LP: #1889472
[20:03] <sarnold> sdeziel: beautiful
[21:32] <kinghat> sarnold: looks like it survived the test
[21:32] <sarnold> kinghat: woot!
[21:32] <kinghat> thanks for checking back 🙏
[23:26] <boxrick> Howdy. I am currently attempting to install Ubuntu 20.04 on a USB Stick in a HP server, it works until it gets to 'Installing Kernel ' and just sits forever at 'Unpacking linux-firmware'. Any ideas on what may be going wrong?


[06:37] <brucee> hi all. I have a query about natty. Is this the right place
[06:39] <RAOF> That depends on the type of question.  This is a channel for the development of Natty, so if your question has to do with that, yes :)
[06:40] <brucee> well, I installed it (alpha3) on an older lenovo z61m laptop and I
[06:40] <brucee> I'm having some difficulty with the network. does that qualify :) ?
[06:41] <RAOF> MAybe; it perhaps sounds more like a bug report, though. :)
[06:42] <brucee> probably. Or just me being braindead. So you recommend launchpad?
[06:42] <RAOF> Or #ubuntu+1 for support.
[06:42] <brucee> great idea - I'll head there !
[06:47] <slangasek> ogasawara: gcc-4.5 4.5.2-6ubuntu5 uploaded; TTBOMK this is the last upload needed before beta
[07:07] <pitti> cjwatson, slangasek: I uploaded a new scour with dropping rsvg, and reverted cdbs; that should do
[07:08] <pitti> Good morning
[07:08] <slangasek> pitti: morning!  Yes, saw your mail over the weekend, thanks for taking care of this
[07:08] <pitti> sorry for the mess
[07:08] <slangasek> n/p, I'm glad you found a better solution than my "kick it out of cdbs" one :)
[07:08] <cdbs> out of me?
[07:09] <nigelb> This is precisely why you need a new nick :P
[07:09] <slangasek> cdbs: are you the personification of a package helper? :)
[07:09] <cdbs> slangasek: yes, but I prefer debhelper over myself
[07:09] <slangasek> heh
[07:09] <nigelb> lol
[07:09] <nigelb> the irony.
[07:10] <TheMuso> lol
[07:10] <cdbs> no, the advantage of this nick is that whenever someone mentions 'cdbs' I get pinged
[07:10] <nigelb> deserves a bash.org
[07:10] <cdbs> giving me the chance to kick into the conversation and recommend others to use dh
[07:11] <cdbs> okay, enough offtopic conversation, and slangasek just /ctcp versioned me :{
[07:11] <slangasek> cdbs: /hilight cdbs would do for that ;)
[07:14] <Chipzz> cdbs: that's a... weird attitude :)
[07:14] <Chipzz> cdbs: that or a very strong dislike of cdbs ;P
[07:27] <\sh> moins
[07:51] <didrocks> good morning
[08:16] <dholbach> good morning
[08:16]  * slangasek waves
[08:24] <jamespage> slangasek: good morning
[08:24] <jamespage> slangasek: re bug 737603 - I can either provide you with details on how to reproduce in Jenkins (its fairly easy)
[08:25] <jamespage> or happy to test a deb now if you want me to.
[08:25] <slangasek> jamespage: I don't have any .debs built in a useful place, but I guess you can rebuild openjdk-6 from source more quickly than I could get you one (given that it's 1:30am here)
[08:26] <jamespage> slangasek: OK - I'll do a local rebuild and try out the patch; I'll also append test case details into the bug.
[08:26] <slangasek> jamespage: sounds good :)
[08:26] <jamespage> thanks for looking at this
[08:27] <slangasek> no prob
[08:27] <jamespage> :-)
[08:30] <slangasek> pitti: so, are you happy for me to upload eglibc with this change?
[08:31] <pitti> slangasek: yes, except I'd like to understand why it's only a transitional pacakge
[08:31] <slangasek> pitti: ah, replied in the merge log, darn slow email :)
[08:32] <slangasek> pitti: "transitional" in the sense that it exists only to enforce fully upgrading libc6 before upgrading anything else; once everything's upgraded (after next LTS), we can drop it
[08:32] <pitti> slangasek: ah, thanks
[08:32] <pitti> slangasek: updated MP again
[08:33] <slangasek> w00t
[08:34] <slangasek> just noticed a (non-linux-specific) bug there, which I'll fix up before uploading
[08:45] <slangasek> pitti: yay, eglibc uploaded, thanks for the review
[08:46] <slangasek> that just leaves glib2.0 for me to break
[08:46] <slangasek> er, I mean, convert ;)
[09:10] <dholbach> can anyone review my lp:ubuntu-packaging-guide branches please?
[09:36] <seb128> hey, does anybody know if soyuz support.tar.xz tarballs?
[09:38] <mr_pouit> seb128: Bug #619152 (there's a branch but it doesn't seem merged yet)
[09:38] <mr_pouit> oops, no
[09:38] <mr_pouit> I misread, sorry
[10:04] <cjwatson> pitti: did you notice the livefs build errors which seem to be caused by language-pack-kde-es and language-pack-kde-oc having file overlaps with the non-KDE versions?
[10:05] <pitti> cjwatson: uh, no, I didn't
[10:05] <pitti> cjwatson: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/natty/kubuntu/latest/livecd-20110321-i386.out seems fine?
[10:09] <cjwatson> try kubuntu-mobile
[10:10] <cjwatson> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/natty/kubuntu-mobile/latest/livecd-20110321-i386.out
[10:10] <pitti> cjwatson: ah, thanks; will check that
[10:11] <cjwatson> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/natty/edubuntu-dvd/latest/livecd-20110321-i386.out
[10:11] <cjwatson> (more inclusive)
[10:11] <cjwatson> seb128,mr_pouit: I guess I should work on the infrastructure needed for that
[10:12] <seb128> cjwatson, so soyuz doesn't handle it yet?
[10:12] <seb128> cjwatson, GNOME is thinking to switch to .tar.xz tarballs
[10:12] <seb128> cjwatson, that's why I was asking
[10:13] <cjwatson> it doesn't - https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/dpkg-xz-support-619152/+merge/32868 explains the situation
[10:13] <cjwatson> oh shut up ubottu
[10:14] <cjwatson> huh, I apparently have most of the work done locally - I must have got sidetracked
[10:14] <seb128> cjwatson, thanks
[10:15] <seb128> cjwatson, does that cover all orig.tar.xz use?
[10:16] <cjwatson> oh, wait, you said orig, my branch was just for data
[10:16] <cjwatson> let me check status of that
[10:17]  * cjwatson misread in the same way as mr_pouit
[10:18] <seb128> cjwatson, sorry for not being clear ;-)
[10:19] <cjwatson> dpkg-dev/lucid supported orig.tar.xz, at least
[10:19] <cjwatson> I think it's just a matter of extending a few regexes and enumerations and the like in LP
[10:21] <seb128> cjwatson, is there any way we can make sure it's on the launchpad team list to get working for next cycle?
[10:21] <cjwatson> I can probably just submit a branch for it
[10:22] <seb128> cjwatson, no hurry, I'm just trying to make sure we don't get blocked at some point because the switch happen for GNOME and in Debian and our bits are not in place for it
[10:22] <seb128> but that's not before some months, they are still discussing it
[10:23] <cjwatson> it falls in the category of rather-do-it-now-than-in-a-hurry-later for me
[10:23] <seb128> right
[10:50] <cjwatson> seb128: note that Debian doesn't support it yet either
[10:51] <cjwatson> fwiw
[10:52] <seb128> cjwatson, seems pochu is on it,he said he talked to the debian ftp-masters and the topic is on the agenda for their next meeting
[10:53] <cjwatson> that's useful to know, thanks.  there's no bug report.
[10:56] <seb128> cjwatson, in fact pochu mentioned it on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>in reply to the reminder email sent there
[10:57] <seb128> oh, buxy mentioned it first it seems
[10:57] <seb128> well anyway it's being discussed there
[11:27] <emgent> mdz ping
[11:39] <dholbach> bdrung, pushed harvest tool to ubuntu-dev-tools again
[11:39] <dholbach> bdrung, let me know if it'S alright this time
[11:40] <dholbach> seb128, ^
[11:40] <seb128> dholbach, thanks
[11:43] <bdrung> dholbach: grep hugdaylist harvest
[11:45] <dholbach> fixed
[11:45]  * dholbach now takes the dog for a walk - see you in a bit
[11:45] <bdrung> dholbach: pylint found some unused variables
[11:46] <hallyn> jdstrand: kees: hey, debian has security updates for libcgroup and libvirt-bin.  Has someone already started on merging those?  (I don't care toduplicate work)
[11:53] <Riddell> TheMuso: how do I get orca to read me something?
[12:15] <JackyAlcine> o/
[12:36] <jdstrand> hallyn: I am preparing libvirt-bin. I don't think anyone is working on libcgroup atm, though you might ask in #ubuntu-hardened
[12:36] <jdstrand> kees: ^
[12:39] <hallyn> jdstrand: thanks
[13:14] <cnd> @pilot in
[13:23] <cjwatson> ogra_: hi, could you apply http://paste.ubuntu.com/583309/ to jasper-initramfs, please?  using ubuntu-devel as Maintainer means that upload acknowledgements go to the reviews list; ubuntu-devel-discuss is more conventional
[13:24] <ogra_> cjwatson, oops, doing so
[13:25] <cjwatson> thanks
[13:34] <pitti> cjwatson: btw, if the kernel team asks you to copy kernels around, this should help quite a bit: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html#kernelppa
[13:34] <Riddell> pitti: is b43-fwcutter still needed on the CDs?
[13:35] <cjwatson> pitti: neat!  thanks
[13:35] <pitti> Riddell: not urgently, I think; we don't even offer b43 any more in jockey, wl is the standard driver now
[13:35] <Riddell> pitti: so broadcom is all free now?
[13:35] <pitti> cjwatson: to avoid confusion: the sru-accept.py thing does not include the automatically generated CVE bugs, as they don't get verified by QA
[13:35] <pitti> Riddell: no, wl is proprietary
[13:36] <pitti> Riddell: there is an experimental broadcom driver in staging, but still too unstable; we don't offer it in jockey yet
[13:36] <Riddell> hmm, confusing
[13:41] <hallyn> the free broadcom driver doesn't do ad-hoc though still, right?
[13:41] <hallyn> which seems to really imply we should have b43 in jockey...  it's actually half the reason why i'm back on lucid on my netbook
[13:42] <pitti> I took it out since it deterioates quickly; I got tons of kernel oopses/crashes with b43, and people kept picking the wrong one
[13:42] <hallyn> yeah having two is confusing, for sure
[13:43] <hallyn> i just need someone with spare time to implement ad-hoc in the free one :)
[13:43] <hallyn> s/implement/fix/ (as the source suggests it thinks it implements it)
[13:47] <cnd> SpamapS, I'm reviewing bug 533985
[13:48] <cnd> oh wait, I thought there was an issue
[13:48] <cnd> but I realized I was working on the wrong computer
[14:24] <mterry> What's the most useful way to report a kernel panic?  I don't see anything in /var/crash, and I don't get an apport prompt
[14:28] <cjwatson> seb128,mr_pouit: https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/tar-xz/+merge/54215, FYI
[14:29] <seb128> cjwatson, thanks
[14:30] <cjwatson> and the data.tar.xz bit is now waiting on sysadmin
[14:31] <seb128> ok
[14:31] <seb128> mterry, try asking on #ubuntu-kernel I guess
[14:31] <cjwatson> (orig.tar.xz doesn't need any sysadmin action)
[14:31] <seb128> mterry, you want kerneloops-daemon for oops issues, not sure about panic ones
[14:45] <ari-tczew> pitti: are you apport developer?
[14:45] <pitti> ari-tczew: yes
[14:45] <ari-tczew> pitti: look http://paste.ubuntu.com/583335/
[14:50] <pitti> ari-tczew: I see the problem, hang on
[14:52] <pitti> ari-tczew: fixed in trunk, thanks
[14:52] <ari-tczew> pitti: 7 minutes needed, wow! :)
[15:28] <pitti> dpm: oh, thanks for pointing to the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/KnowledgeBase/StartingTeam stuff, that's useful!
[15:30] <dpm> pitti, no worries :) - btw, after we have a locale for a new language in langpack-locales or upstream, are there any other technical steps to enable it and ship a langpack for it? I've meant to ask you for ages, I've just remembered now
[15:30] <pitti> dpm: yes, one: we need to add it as a supported locale to langpack-o-matic
[15:31] <pitti> dpm: ah, that could actually do with a bit of automation, hang on
[15:31] <dpm> ok :)
[15:34] <pitti> dpm: done; ./update-maps in langpack-o-matic now updates maps/supported-locales as well
[15:35] <pitti> dpm: we need to do that as we usually run this under lucid, and the local /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED is older than the releases we are building for
[15:35] <dpm> pitti, thanks, automation ftw!
[15:35] <pitti> dpm: so once we have a locale, we run that, and once the LP exports have files for the locale, they'll get shipped
[15:36] <pitti> dpm: lucid's gdm would need an update as well, but since maverick it doesn't any more either
[15:36] <pitti> so I'm not aware of anything else that needs to happen for this
[15:37] <dpm> pitti, ok, but what's the gdm stuff? I'm not sure I can follow that. Why does it need to be updated in Lucid and why does it not need to on Maverick?
[15:37] <pitti> dpm: in lucid, gdm had its own language/locale list
[15:38] <dpm> oh, I see
[15:45] <pitti> doko: FYI, I talked to the debian gnome folks again, and they are ok with doing the pysupport -> dh_py2 transition for pygobject and friends; we'll ship a compatibility symlink until the reverse dependencies were converted, does that sound okay to you?
[15:55] <doko> \o/ still starting in natty?
[15:55] <micahg> pitti: was the 0317 langpack supposed to fix the file overwrite issue?
[15:57] <pitti> micahg: the 0317.1 ones for kde-{oc,es}, yes
[15:57] <micahg> ok, so I'll wait for the point update
[16:03] <seb128> zul, hi, do you have a vcs for samba? Could you review and check the fix bug #668368 in if you have one?
[16:04] <seb128> it's a one char change, I don't want to an upload for that ;-)
[16:07] <doko> pitti: ^^^
[16:08] <pitti> doko: I hope so, I'm working on it right now (it's more complicated than a symlink, though)
[16:09] <zul> seb128 sure on a call right now
[16:09] <seb128> zul, no hurry, thanks
[16:09] <AnAnt> Hello, I get a UnicodeEncodeError message when I try to login on wiki.ubuntu.com, where should I report that ?
[16:11] <davmor2> AnAnt: goto #canonical-isd as a first port of call
[16:11] <debfx> kirkland: shouldn't console-setup register /etc/console-setup/vtrgb.vga as an alternative? kubuntu-default-settings could then switch to it if it's in auto mode
[16:12] <AnAnt> davmor2: thanks
[16:12] <kirkland> debfx: no, it can't;  otherwise, every time console-setup upgrades it would overwrite the alternative priority that kubuntu-settings sets
[16:12] <kirkland> debfx: ie, it could register it at a lower priority, say 20
[16:13] <kirkland> debfx: but every time it upgrades it would re-register it at 20 again
[16:14] <debfx> kirkland: yes, console-setup would register it with a lower priority and k-d-s runs updater-alternatives --set ... in postinst
[16:16] <kirkland> debfx: right, but what happens when console-setup upgrades later?
[16:17] <kirkland> debfx: at least the way i'm calling update-alternatives in console-setup.postinst, it's going to overwrite it
[16:17] <kirkland> debfx: unless i'm misunderstanding you...
[16:19] <debfx> kirkland: it's not supposed to overwrite it if it's in manual mode
[16:20] <debfx> update-alternatives --install is a no-op if the alternative is already installed (with the same priority)
[16:20] <kirkland> debfx: interesting...
[16:20] <kirkland> debfx: can you propose a debdiff to console-setup.postinst, test it, and show me how you recommend we do it?
[16:20] <kirkland> debfx: and newt's postinst too
[16:21] <kirkland> debfx: note that newt takes about 20 seconds to build, and console-setup takes about 20 minutes
[16:23] <debfx> kirkland: will do, thanks for the hint :)
[16:24] <debfx> the tricky part is in k-d-s as update-alternatives doesn't have a --only-if-in-auto-mode option
[16:27] <kirkland> debfx: sure thing
[16:27] <kirkland> debfx: i do like the idea of having the originals registered as lower-priority alternatives, such that they're more discoverable
[16:28] <kirkland> debfx: i just want to make sure it's done in a way that other optional packages (like the kubuntu themes one) can override and make their alternatives stick and maintain across upgrades
[16:29] <debfx> kirkland: aha, just revert the changes from the last newt upload :)
[16:30] <kirkland> debfx: okay, if so, then what's the proper syntax for update-alternatives in the kubuntu settings postinst?
[16:31] <debfx> kirkland: the easiest way would be: update-alternatives --set newt-palette /etc/newt/palette.original
[16:31] <kirkland> debfx: ah, okay, cool
[16:32] <jcastro> wendar: there appears to be nothing on Wednesday UDS, if you want to try "fun" lightning talks or something clever, that would be the night to do it
[16:32] <debfx> but that overwrite all user choices so guarding that with a check if the alternative is in auto mode would be good
[16:32] <wendar> jcastro: could be fun
[16:34] <debfx> kirkland: newt doesn't remove the alternatives in postrm
[16:34] <kirkland> debfx: good catch
[16:59] <slangasek> kirkland: hi, do you feel like NEWing eglibc today? :)
[16:59] <kirkland> slangasek: i can have a look ....
[17:02] <debfx> kirkland: we could use something like this in kubuntu-default-settings: http://paste.ubuntu.com/583394/
[17:09] <kirkland> slangasek: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+queue keeps timing out on me
[17:09] <slangasek> curses
[17:10] <kirkland> slangasek: okay, it landed
[17:10] <kirkland> slangasek: oh, a binary deNEW, that's easier :-)
[17:10] <kirkland> slangasek: looking now ...
[17:10] <slangasek> yep, trivial, just a new package added to the base system ;)
[17:11] <kirkland> slangasek: multiarch support :-)  trivial :-)
[17:12] <kirkland> slangasek: hmm, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/583405/
[17:12] <kirkland> slangasek: there isn't actually anything in that package?
[17:12] <slangasek> correct
[17:12] <slangasek> kirkland: let me grab you a link to the explanation
[17:13] <slangasek> kirkland: https://code.launchpad.net/~vorlon/ubuntu/natty/eglibc/multiarch-support/+merge/54135
[17:13] <kirkland> slangasek: cool, works for me
[17:14] <kirkland> slangasek: needs to go to main, i presume?
[17:14] <slangasek> kirkland: yeppers
[17:14] <slangasek> as Priority: standard, in fact
[17:14] <slangasek> er, Priority: required even
[17:14] <slangasek> (but I can poke that once it's in the archive, if there are any issues)
[17:15] <kirkland> slangasek: OK: eglibc, eglibc_2.13-0ubuntu8_armel_translations.tar.gz(main/(unchanged)/(unchanged))
[17:15] <kirkland> slangasek: so i missed your priority note
[17:15] <slangasek> no problem
[17:15] <kirkland> slangasek: so yeah, poke that once it's in
[17:21] <slangasek> Laney: how are things with ghc6?  Everything good, now that libffi is fixed?
[17:21] <Laney> slangasek: Mostly. I see a perplexing failure that I think is due to a newer binutils; mailed d-haskell@ to ask for insight earlier.
[17:21] <Laney> At least the libffi fix is good.
[17:22] <Laney> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/66834248/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-amd64.haskell-happstack-util_<IP_ADDRESS>-2build2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[17:22]  * slangasek checks the mail to make sure it's really a binutils bug and not a multiarch bug ;)
[17:22] <Laney> it's in a library, not ghc6 itself (thankfully)
[17:25] <kirkland> slangasek: okay, it's taking a few button pushes to get past all the launchpad timeouts for the other arches
[17:26] <kirkland> slangasek: okay, done
[17:26] <slangasek> kirkland: your pain is appreciated, as this puts us one package upload away from 'sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer:i386' working in a chroot :)
[17:26] <kirkland> slangasek: heh :-)
[17:27] <slangasek> now to upload glib2.0
[17:34] <cjwatson> slangasek: 'sudo apt-get install libc6:amd64' doesn't seem to work for me, with a 'deb [arch=i386,amd64] ...' line in sources.list; what am I missing?
[17:34] <cjwatson> it just says "E: Unable to locate package libc6:amd64"
[17:35] <slangasek> cjwatson: APT::Architectures { "i386"; "amd64"; }; also, dpkg --foreign-architecture amd64 (can set in /etc/dpkg of course); finally, I think but have not yet confirmed that there's a change in the apt cache format before and after multiarch, requiring rm /var/cache/apt/*cache* && apt-get update to get everything where it's supposed to be
[17:36] <cjwatson> aha
[17:36] <cjwatson> (is there user documentation for multiarch yet?)
[17:36] <slangasek> cjwatson: the UI is still a little rough, probably will remain so for natty as I don't see us turning this on by default - I'll work on user documentation next week
[17:37] <slangasek> given that today is the first day that it's possible to run that apt-get command against the archive and have it succeed (and only once the NEWed eglibc is published), I didn't want to encourage foot-shooting too early :)
[17:37] <cjwatson> heh, yeah
[17:45] <hyperair> ari-tczew: weird, your coredump seems truncated. or so gdb says =\
[17:50] <cjwatson> slangasek: without flushing the apt cache, 'sudo apt-get install libc6:amd64' now seems to list a reasonably plausible set of things to do
[17:50] <cjwatson> (this is before your latest eglibc change ...)
[17:51] <slangasek> cjwatson: right, the cache bit pertains to how Multi-Arch: foreign, Architecture: all packages are handled (which are only an issue once you get a little farther up the stack)
[17:51] <slangasek> cjwatson: and apt will happily start downloading the packages and only fail when it tries to configure the dependency loop :)
[17:54] <cjwatson> ok ...
[17:54] <ari-tczew> hyperair: so what's the conclusion?
[17:55] <hyperair> ari-tczew: the conclusion is that the coredump is completely useless ^_^
[17:55] <hyperair> sorry to say
[18:01] <mterry> slangasek, do you know what the deal with bug 739575 is?
[18:01] <mterry> (seb128 promised you would  ;))
[18:02] <seb128> ;-)
[18:02] <seb128> that's going to be a fun transition if we need to start rebuild .la in order
[18:03] <slangasek> mterry: .la files should not reference other .la files in their dependency_libs field (Debian Policy 10.2); see clean-la.mk in gnome-pkg-tools for an example fix
[18:03] <slangasek> seb128: well, I assumed most packages were already DTRT on this point, since it's in policy... I see I was too optimistic :)
[18:03] <slangasek> mterry: a quick-n-dirty fix is to just reupload the package that has the broken reference, but that's a bandaid
[18:04] <Riddell> ev: I got usb-creator built on suse https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=home%3Ariddell%3Ausb-creator
[18:04] <ev> Riddell: that's awesome!
[18:05] <seb128> slangasek,
[18:05] <seb128> $ grep [.]la *.la | grep dependency_libs | sed 's#:.*##' | sort | uniq | wc -l
[18:05] <seb128> 29
[18:05] <seb128> in /usr/lib on my natty system
[18:05] <lamont> (etherape:25852): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_ascii_strcasecmp: assertion `s2 != NULL' failed
[18:05] <lamont> Segmentation fault
[18:05] <lamont> I'm pretty sure it's not supposed to do that
[18:05] <mterry> slangasek, well that's the interesting thing, when I rebuilt the package, it stopped referencing the other .la file in its own .la.   It started using -l syntax
[18:06] <mterry> Not sure how the original path got in there
[18:06] <slangasek> mterry: <cough> that's because libtool doesn't know to look in the multiarch directories at all for its .la files
[18:06] <ari-tczew> hyperair: so how can I do with that bug?
[18:06] <mterry> ah...  so that's a fix by way of a different bug?  :)
[18:06]  * hyperair shrugs
[18:06] <lamont> slangasek: I thought that was because libtool is just plain not  your friend
[18:07] <lamont> kinda like .la files, iirc
[18:07] <mterry> slangasek, could you rebuild apr-utils for me?  I'm not core-dev atm
[18:07]  * doko doesn't ask when to start the rebuild test ...
[18:07] <slangasek> mterry: the .la is the expected behavior with libtool, when the dependent library has a .la of its own; but we really want it to be *empty*, not just switched to use -l
[18:07] <slangasek> lamont: libtool *isn't* my friend, and I really wish it would stop sending me these messages on LinkedIn
[18:08] <slangasek> mterry: sure thing
[18:08] <mterry> :)
[18:08] <lamont> slangasek: heh
[18:08] <slangasek> seb128: 29 doesn't seem so bad... :)
[18:09] <seb128> slangasek, I'm happy that you are not scared about those ;-)
[18:10] <slangasek> seb128: care to paste me the list of actual lib names?  That way I can bump them proactively :)
[18:10] <slangasek> seb128: and no, 29 libs uploaded for a trivial .la change, compared to what I've /been/ doing, is not scary at all ;)
[18:12] <seb128> slangasek, http://paste.ubuntu.com/583439/
[18:12] <slangasek> seb128: sweet, thanks
[18:13] <seb128> slangasek, http://paste.ubuntu.com/583442/
[18:13] <seb128> slangasek, that's the corresponding sources
[18:13] <seb128> if you prefer that list
[18:13] <seb128> ups, binaries rather
[18:13] <seb128> I can do the sources version if you want ;-)
[18:18] <slangasek> seb128: binaries are fine, no problem
[18:42] <Keybuk> SpamapS: you realise that there is no benefit to constructive discussion with Lennart, right? ;-)
[18:42] <Keybuk> his entire reason for even being on the upstart list and IRC channel is simply to be disruptive
[18:44] <ogra> Keybuk, not to pick up clever ideas ?
[18:46] <Keybuk> ogra: well, given he generally describes Upstart as "wrong", I doubt that
[18:49] <SpamapS> Keybuk: I guess I'm like the guy who makes funny faces at the gorillas just to see if they'll fling excrement, event hough everybody has told me thats whats going to happen. ;)
[18:50] <Keybuk> lol
[18:51] <Keybuk> actually it's always fun to have more people make funny faces at him
[18:51] <Keybuk> because then he'll reply that he's tried, and I'm not interested in working together
[18:51] <Keybuk> and I'll point out that I've repeatedly said that I am, but that I don't consider "working together" to be "do what Lennart says"
[18:51] <Keybuk> and then I attempt to get him to agree to something
[18:51] <Keybuk> and he goes silent
[18:51] <Keybuk> and then turns up with "NAK, I'm doing this differently in systemd" or something
[18:54] <walters> Keybuk: 1) your movie twitter post was hilarious  2) i think he's doing the right thing; give him a little bit to come up with another approach
[18:54] <Keybuk> cf. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34526#c1
[18:54] <SpamapS> Keybuk: I suppose all we can do to counter that is to be open and ask for comments on major changes... since... you know.. there are somewhere around a million more upstart users than systemd.. we should probably ask upstart users before Lennart. ;)
[18:55] <Keybuk> SpamapS: at Google alone, there is probably 1,000 *times more* upstart installs than there are Fedora installs in the entire world ;-)
[18:55] <Keybuk> walters: I'm not interesting in Lennart coming up with another approach - I'm interested in Lennart actually discussing with me, and others, what the other approach should be
[18:55] <walters> sure, so give him a bit of time to post that
[18:56] <Keybuk> walters: I've given him a year so far; how much more time should I give?
[18:56] <Keybuk> (the LISTEN_FDS discussion started April last year)
[18:57] <Keybuk> sadly this approach of "the only valid decision is the one made by the Fedora+SuSE cabal" is starting to infect other projects
[18:57] <Keybuk> see the recent udev announcement that all systems must support /dev/.run as a tmpfs throughout boot that's later bind-mounted to /var/run
[18:57] <Keybuk> and then the creation of /run after that
[18:58] <Keybuk> without, at any point, asking any other distribution - many of which have *already solved this* - what they think the approach should be
[18:58] <Keybuk> or going via the FHS or some other neutral body
[18:58] <highvoltage> /run!?
[18:59] <walters> Keybuk: i'm not involved in that really so i can't comment on it usefully
[18:59] <Keybuk> lunch, bbl
[19:36] <Keybuk> omnomnom
[20:23] <\sh> hmmm..could it be that we are right now in the "Everything what Ubuntu does and did is wrong, nasty, evil and totally useless?" unity vs. gnome-shell, upstart vs. systemd , multi-arch ubuntu vs. multi-arch debian? (WRT http://jackyf.livejournal.com/115703.html)
[20:24] <broder> \sh: our multiarch spec is the same as debian's
[20:25] <broder> which is to say, we're using a spec developed at debconf, and for all intents and purposes is a "debian spec", not an "ubuntu spec", but just implementing it sooner
[20:25] <highvoltage> \sh: nah, Ubuntu does quite a few things really good
[20:25] <\sh> broder: I thought so, but it sounds different from the post I just read on p.d.o.
[20:26] <cjwatson> jackyf is several years too late to the party
[20:26] <broder> \sh: that post is complaining about not understanding the spec that's being implemented
[20:26] <broder> and suggesting an alternative that they're asserting makes more sense
[20:28] <ScottK> cjwatson: If their blogging on livejournal, that's a given.
[20:29] <\sh> broder: I'm just concerned about "bad PR" with regards of the latest happenings
[20:29] <ScottK> \sh: Bad PR can happen whether you deserve it or not.  I think we should just minimize the deserving it and not worry about the rest.
[20:30] <ScottK> \sh: It would be interesting to hear about the distros that started transitioning to System D in 2006 when we started our Upstart transition.
[20:31] <ScottK> Some people don't understand the notion that time move in one direction for most mortals.
[20:32] <nigelb> kirkland: hey, add a warning to your blog.  The presentation linked on the scale website is wrong :P
[20:33] <kirkland> nigelb: thanks
[20:33] <\sh> ScottK: actually I don'
[20:33] <kirkland> nigelb: i wonder what's up with that
[20:34] <ScottK> \sh: You don'?
[20:34] <nigelb> kirkland: I poked Gareth, I figure he'll get it fixed :)
[20:34] <\sh> 't care about what system we will or others will use...I just want to use the best technique and this technique needs to be supported for a long time
[20:34] <\sh> moment...phone call
[20:34] <kirkland> nigelb: cool, thanks
[20:34] <kirkland> nigelb: any chance you can ask them where my video is?  :-)
[20:36] <nigelb> kirkland: yup, will do.  I wanna see it too :)
[20:39] <\sh> back...
[20:41] <ScottK> \sh: Also keep in mind the author of that blog post decided apt was hopeless and is re-implementing it, so some level if disagreement from that source is not particularly suprising.
[20:44] <slangasek> yes, reimplementing it in perl
[20:44] <nigelb> ScottK: heh, lol about livejournal comment :)
[21:06] <cnd> I'm trying to help someone get their game into Ubuntu, but there are possible issues with media licensing (fonts and audio)
[21:06] <cnd> the audio files clearly aren't gpl compatible, but I don't know if they really need to be
[21:07] <cnd> is there some place where these issues can be reviewed?
[21:16] <ScottK> cnd: We don't require GPL compatiblity.  To get into Universe it needs to be ~DFSG free (was also allow GFDL with invariant sections that Debian doesn't).  To get into Multiverse it just has to be legal to distribute.
[21:16] <ScottK> cnd: Any archive admin can answer questions, so just ask.
[21:17] <slangasek> jamespage: any luck with jenkins?
[21:17] <slangasek> or with openjdk, I should say
[21:19] <cnd> ScottK, I should have mentioned that the source code is GPL, but here's a merge request with the important information: https://code.launchpad.net/~libavg-team/geneatd/packaging.cleanup/+merge/53538
[21:19] <cnd> there's audio files that are CC-sampling 1.0
[21:19] <cnd> and the game source code is GPLv3+
[21:20] <ScottK> I'd have to look up that CC license, but IIRC it's problematic to combine those into one work.
[21:21] <slangasek> however, it's questionable whether a game engine + accompanying audio files are considered "one work"; it depends a lot on the specific license wording
[21:30] <ScottK> I guess.
[21:50] <cnd> ScottK, so where do I go from here to get a more definitive answer?
[22:16] <GatoLoko> hi
[23:41] <ScottK> cnd: Get the package uploaded to REVU and then one of us archive admins might review it if we have time.  We don't have even a rough equivalent of debian-legal.