[09:43] <hsystem-x> and if you are using an nvidia card, i recommend you to install automatix2 (www.getautomatix.com), and download the nvidia drivers. It will do all the instalation for you. Then go here http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Ubuntu_Edgy_with_AIGLX and follow the instructions...
[09:43] <chaka> Hi all, could some please help to get my Prisem2 WLan card to run with WPA
[09:44] <inanimate> Does anybody know how to install all the missing xscreensavers for KDE (without using the xscreensaver-demo workaround)?
[09:45] <philfo> ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=239277
[09:45] <N6REJ> tyvm
[09:46] <philfo> nnp
[09:46] <philfo> that's the easy install page
[09:46] <AaronCampbell_> I'm trying to install 6.10 from DVD.  However, I choose "Install..." from the startup menu, I get a kubuntu loading screen, and then I get dumped to a command prompt: ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[09:46] <AaronCampbell_> Any idea why?
[09:47] <philfo> ok, it can't find the floppy drive.
[09:47] <uciu> !help
[09:47] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[09:48] <jim88> hello all once again ... please can someone help me with a "wide screen" issue ... my screen somehow is spread eagle and none of the setting changes so far have help ... it appears to be stretched somehow and I cannot get it back to normal
[09:53] <cotyrothery> Has anyone here had the problem that when you installed kubuntu then restarted you go a error saying found no operating system
[09:54] <ToolBust> I can't find de right driver for my grafic card... can any one help me?
[09:55] <ToolBust> I can't find de right driver for my grafic card... can any one help me?
[09:56] <jim88> hello all once again ... please can someone help me with a "wide screen" issue ... my screen somehow is spread eagle and none of the setting changes so far have help ... it appears to be stretched somehow and I cannot get it back to normal
[09:56] <mknights> has anyone here ever installed virtualbox?
[09:56] <crafty_> where can i go to find open ports 4 filesharing on the web?  do a file port scan.  my apollon isn't working
[09:56] <ToolBust> I did not, but virtualbox comes with big linux
[09:57] <ToolBust> and also comes with a lot better efects than vista and it's not heavy
[09:57] <mknights> any ideas on how to install it?
[09:57] <ToolBust> I advise you to try big linux, it has debian, grub, and rpm
[09:58] <ToolBust> it as every thing
[09:58] <crafty_> how big is big linux?
[09:58] <jeffmetal1> is it possible to resize an ext2 partition to include unused space on a drive.
[09:59] <cotyrothery> Is there anyone here that can help me with getting kubuntu to work. Because no matter what i have done every time i restart my computer once done installing i get a message that says that there is no operating system
[09:59] <sparrw> what is a good LDAP client to perform bulk/batch changes to account information?
[10:00] <Bluedog> hey guys
[10:00] <Bluedog> any reason why script.py runs fine, but typing ./script.py gives permission denied?
[10:00] <peaker> Bluedog: what's the output of 'type script.py' ?
[10:01] <Bluedog> its sabnzbd
[10:01] <peaker> Bluedog: you're probably running script.py from $PATH somewhere, and not ./script.py
[10:01] <Bluedog> so just gives constant server logs, which I wont want in my terminal
[10:01] <Bluedog> its definitely the same script, only one SABnzb.py on the system
[10:01] <jack__> hi, when i am idle and the screensaver starts( any, matrix, fractals) the cpu load with about 60% is much higher than when i am actively working, this is annoying cos of thhe noise, any help??top gives me bug
[10:01] <peaker> Bluedog: 'which script.py' or 'type script.py' tell you what script.py actually runs
[10:01] <jack__> top gives me 60 percent or more xorg
[10:02] <peaker> Bluedog: run which on it anyhow?
[10:02] <surgy> when i run the command  "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop" i get the following error: http://pastebin.ca/412589 can someone help me please?
[10:02] <Bluedog> which returns nothing peaker
[10:02] <peaker> Bluedog: which and type both say nothing?
[10:03] <Bluedog> hang on
[10:03] <Bluedog> you are right :)
[10:03] <Bluedog> the installer for SABnzbd.py i installed made it system wide
[10:03] <Bluedog> so it runs from /usr/bin
[10:03] <peaker> heh
[10:04] <Bluedog> hence why its failing i guess!
[10:04] <cotyrothery> Can anyone here help with what i just said
[10:04] <peaker> cotyrothery: did you install windows recently?
[10:04] <cotyrothery> Many people have tried helping but i still have not got it to work
[10:04] <cotyrothery> no
[10:04] <peaker> cotyrothery: did you just install ubuntu and then you get no os at boot?
[10:05] <cotyrothery> yes
[10:05] <peaker> cotyrothery: I am not sure how to reinstall grub, but you should try that
[10:05] <cotyrothery> i  have
[10:05] <peaker> does grub say it succeeded?
[10:05] <cotyrothery> yes
[10:05] <peaker> hmm
[10:05] <cotyrothery> but nothing happens at boot
[10:05] <peaker> and then your BIOS says that no OS exists, or grub says so?
[10:05] <cotyrothery> yes
[10:06] <cotyrothery> bios says so
[10:06] <peaker> cotyrothery: maybe you're installing grub on the wrong disk?
[10:06] <peaker> cotyrothery: or your BIOS is not configured to load an OS from the right disks?
[10:06] <cotyrothery> ok
[10:07] <peaker> cotyrothery: most (all?) BIOS setups have a list of disks that you configure that tell them where to try to boot from
[10:07] <cotyrothery> could you give me instructions no how to set it up
[10:07] <runtime> Hey, I'm wondering why KDevelop isn't in add/remove?
[10:07] <peaker> cotyrothery: you know how to enter your bios setup?
[10:07] <cotyrothery> yes
[10:07] <peaker> runtime: I have it here. Maybe its in universe or something
[10:07] <peaker> runtime: I didn't have some packages when I used an incomplete ubuntu mirror
[10:07] <peaker> runtime: then I switched to an official mirror and its fixed
[10:07] <runtime> I'm using a qemu image, 6.16
[10:08] <peaker> runtime: try to uncomment universe in your sources.list, update and see if kdevelop is there?
[10:08] <peaker> ya its in universe
[10:08] <peaker> runtime: do you use adept?
[10:09] <peaker> cotyrothery: in the BIOS setup
[10:09] <peaker> cotyrothery: look at the bootup sequence
[10:09] <runtime> yeah
[10:09] <peaker> cotyrothery: it has stuff like a list containing the floppy disk, cdrom, hard disks, etc
[10:09] <cotyrothery> ok
[10:09] <cotyrothery> yep
[10:09] <peaker> cotyrothery: see that you have your hard disks in there
[10:09] <peaker> cotyrothery: and in any case tell people here what you have there
[10:09] <cotyrothery> i have tried every order possible
[10:09] <peaker> cotyrothery: I'm gonna have to reboot in a sec
[10:09] <cotyrothery> ok
[10:09] <cotyrothery> i have
[10:09] <peaker> cotyrothery: are you sure your hard disks appear in there? specifically the hard disk that you grub'd into?
[10:10] <cotyrothery> i only see one
[10:10] <cotyrothery> but i have two
[10:10] <cotyrothery> I installed it on my slave
[10:10] <peaker> cotyrothery: what's the exact wording your BIOS uses for the disk?
[10:10] <peaker> cotyrothery: maybe your BIOS is only trying to boot from the Master drive
[10:10] <cotyrothery> well there is the CD-ROM Drive for the first
[10:11] <cotyrothery> then there is Hard Drive
[10:11] <cotyrothery> then Network somthing
[10:11] <cotyrothery> then Removable devices
[10:11] <peaker> cotyrothery: "Hard Drive" is written just like that?
[10:11] <Arwen> * Topic for #kubuntu set by Arwen at Sun Mar 25 18:45:37 2007 - w00t, I'm king
[10:11] <peaker> cotyrothery: how many physical hard disks do you have?
[10:11] <cotyrothery> Two
[10:11] <cotyrothery> there all internal
[10:11] <peaker> cotyrothery: IDE/SATA/SCSI?
[10:12] <cotyrothery> I have no ida
[10:12] <cotyrothery> idea
[10:12] <Arwen> cotyrothery, ......
[10:12] <cotyrothery> yea
[10:12] <Arwen> cotyrothery, did they have a long ribbon cable?
[10:12] <peaker> cotyrothery: where do you grub into? which /dev?
[10:12] <cotyrothery> hold on
[10:12] <cotyrothery> what do you mean arwen
[10:12] <cotyrothery> and
[10:13] <Arwen> cotyrothery, you didn't install them? *sigh*.....
[10:13] <cotyrothery> I tried grub on both drives
[10:13] <peaker> cotyrothery: which /dev's?
[10:13] <cotyrothery> both
[10:13] <cotyrothery> neither one of them worked
[10:13] <peaker> cotyrothery: /dev/hda and /dev/hdb or /dev/sda and /dev/sdb? which exactly?
[10:13] <cotyrothery> plus windows no longer works
[10:13] <cotyrothery> hd1
[10:13] <cotyrothery> it said
[10:13] <cotyrothery> (hd1,0)
[10:13] <peaker> cotyrothery: /dev/hd1? no such thing
[10:13] <cotyrothery> and
[10:13] <peaker> oh
[10:14] <cotyrothery> (hd1,2)
[10:14] <Arwen> peaker, grub devices, pata/sata/scsi/fc, all the same to grub
[10:14] <Arwen> cotyrothery, so that's secondary hdd, partitions 1 and 3
[10:14] <Arwen> that sound right?
[10:14] <cotyrothery> I tried all sorts
[10:14] <peaker> cotyrothery: ouch, you're trying to install into patritions
[10:15] <peaker> I hope you didn't install grub onto the windows partition directly
[10:15] <cotyrothery> no
[10:15] <cotyrothery> hold on
[10:15] <cotyrothery> let me type what i have tried
[10:15] <cotyrothery> yes i did
[10:15] <cotyrothery> that is why windows does not work
[10:15] <cotyrothery> i think i ruined my bootloader for windows
[10:15] <Arwen> um, stupid - you should have installed to linux partition
[10:15] <peaker> cotyrothery: well, if no OS is found by BIOS, obviously windows doesnt work too
[10:15] <Arwen> cotyrothery, boot your Windows CD, go to recovery mode, and do "fixboot"
[10:16] <cotyrothery> i have no windows cd
[10:16] <peaker> grub should be installed to MBR - not linux partition
[10:16] <peaker> from MBR it can load linux partition
[10:16] <Arwen> cotyrothery, ow, you fail :-\
[10:16] <cotyrothery> thanks
[10:16] <peaker> cotyrothery: I am not sure installing grub into windows partition overwrites anything that cannot be restored
[10:16] <Arwen> peaker, incorrect, only the first stage grub loader will be put on mbr, the rest is in the boot sector
[10:16] <Arwen> and installing grub on windows breaks ntldr for obvious reasons
[10:16] <peaker> Arwen: grub loads itself from the linux partition? its surely larger than the mbr+1sector
[10:17] <cotyrothery> is there a way to have remote connection
[10:17] <cotyrothery> or something
[10:17] <cotyrothery> were you can do it
[10:17] <peaker> Arwen: where is the bulk of grub stored and loaded from at boot time?
[10:17] <cotyrothery> because i have been at this for weeks
[10:17] <Arwen> peaker, yes, the mbr contains a listing of partitions and a mapping of the active one - the bios starts executing code from the active partition sector 1
[10:17] <peaker> cotyrothery: you can probably re-install the windows boot loader via a windows rescue disk
[10:17] <Arwen> which is where ALL of grub is
[10:17] <Arwen> though, maybe some is in /boot/grub, and is loaded after grub starts fs drivers
[10:18] <peaker> Arwen: no no, the BIOS does not know the partition table at all.. the mbr typically contains code to find the active partition and run that
[10:18] <peaker> Arwen: a sector is 512 bytes. You can't store an ext2 fs driver in 512 bytes of code :)
[10:18] <frojnd> hello guys: I was wondering if there is any application to crate rotating image. For example I wanna to have sculpture to be rotated automatically.... what program can do scuh thing??
[10:19] <Arwen> peaker, ah wait, sorry yeah, the BIOS executes at bit 1 of mbr, where the code finds the active partition
[10:19] <cotyrothery> To bad i dont have a windows disk
[10:19] <peaker> Arwen: so perhaps the mbr is a standard active partition seeker and the active partition contains grub, tho I remember you can place lilo/grub directly on the mbr, without the active partition stuff at all
[10:19] <Arwen> peaker, I'm pretty sure the bulk of grub is in the first chunk of the partition
[10:19] <peaker> frojnd: you mean a rotating 3d model?
[10:19] <cotyrothery> so what am i going to do
[10:19] <cotyrothery> I would like to get kubuntu working more than windows
[10:20] <frojnd> peaker: something like that yes
[10:20] <c1|freaky> for me it does
[10:20] <peaker> cotyrothery: you should reinstall grub to the correct device
[10:20] <c1|freaky> i love kubuntu :D
[10:20] <cotyrothery> i have tried
[10:20] <peaker> frojnd: I am sure there are. look for a package involving 3d models?
[10:20] <cotyrothery> but what is the correct device
[10:20] <cotyrothery> because i have tried everything
[10:20] <Search4Lancer> how do I crank down the processor performance? I'm fairly sure I have it cranked up for full performance, but because of that, the system has been running terribly hot
[10:20] <Arwen> peaker, from wp - GRUB Stage 1.5 is located in the first 30 kilobytes of hard disk immediately following the MBR. Stage 1.5 loads Stage 2.
[10:20] <peaker> cotyrothery: try using (hd0) no comma
[10:20] <fr0nk> hi
[10:21] <Arwen> peaker, apparently stage 1 either runs stage 1.5 or stage 2
[10:21] <inanimate> How do you find the actual version of Kubuntu you're running? I didn't see anything in uname...
[10:21] <cotyrothery> i have done that also
[10:21] <KiPSeRoN> SOMONE CAN HELP
[10:21] <KiPSeRoN> ME
[10:21] <fr0nk> what is the "oem install mode" doing when selected from the alternate boot cd?
[10:21] <peaker> Arwen: ah. so your partition table is supposed to provide some space there - because partition tables typically align up to cylinder boundaries (so after the first sector, everything up to the next cyilnder is free)
[10:21] <runtime> stop w/ the caps
[10:21] <peaker> Arwen: so grub can use the entire first cylinder rather than the first sector
[10:22] <fr0nk> does OEM mode mean "install without user interruption"?
[10:22] <peaker> Arwen: whether its the mbr or a partition
[10:22] <Arwen> peaker, yes, apparently, although it says that grub can also load stage 2 directly
[10:22] <c1|freaky> inanimate: press CTRL + ALT + F1 - to switch back: ALT+F7 <-- at the login there the current version should be displayed - theres another way with a cmd but i can't remember atm
[10:22] <kasper> Is there some way to get flash plugin to work in Opera 9.1? Im running dapper drake 6.06.
[10:22] <peaker> Arwen: where is stage 2?
[10:22] <peaker> cotyrothery: what happens when grub installs to (hd0)
[10:22] <Arwen> peaker, active partition, fixed location at the beginning
[10:22] <cotyrothery> nothing happens
[10:22] <cotyrothery> it just installs
[10:22] <c1|freaky> inanimate: dont forget ALT+F7 !
[10:22] <cotyrothery> then i go to restart
[10:22] <c1|freaky> to switch back
[10:22] <cotyrothery> and i get the same message
[10:23] <peaker> Arwen: weird, how does it fit in with the ext2 stuff in there?
[10:23] <peaker> cotyrothery: try installing to (hd1) as well?
[10:23] <cotyrothery> I am completely screwed
[10:23] <Arwen> peaker, dunno, my guess is that it's actually a very limited ext2 driver (after all, you just need basic ro access)
[10:23] <cotyrothery> i have done that
[10:23] <inanimate> c1|freaky: OK, I"ll give it a shot.
[10:23] <Arwen> it then loads vmlinux and initrd, which have the actual functionality
[10:24] <cotyrothery> I'm stuck with no operating system
[10:24] <cotyrothery> this really sucks at the moment
[10:24] <Arwen> cotyrothery, reinstall :-)
[10:24] <cotyrothery> I have also done tht
[10:24] <cotyrothery> that
[10:24] <cotyrothery> many times
[10:25] <peaker> cotyrothery: if you reinstall kubuntu, it still doesn't work?
[10:25] <cotyrothery> correct
[10:25] <peaker> what are the *exact* commands you use within grub?
[10:25] <cotyrothery> i am never in gryb
[10:25] <cotyrothery> grub
[10:25] <Arwen> peaker, oh yeah, grub can fit because it's written in assembly code :-)
[10:25] <cotyrothery> it does not come up at start up
[10:26] <peaker> Arwen: hehe you could probably write something that reads an ext2 file in a few sectors in asm, that's true
[10:26] <peaker> Arwen: but not in 512 bytes, not easily
[10:26] <Arwen> no, because the actual bunk of grub is not in 1 sector
[10:26] <peaker> Arwen: cause that same boot sector has to do other various stuff too, like initialize protected mode, and various Intel/i386 horrible stuff
[10:27] <peaker> Arwen: ya it has a whole cylinder and then its not a big problem
[10:27] <Arwen> it appears as a file in /boot/grub I think actually - it's actually just a large chunk of pre-allocated space
[10:27] <inanimate> c1|freaky: Awesome, it worked. Now I just have to see if upgrading my packages got me to the beta version of Fesity...
[10:27] <cotyrothery> Is there a app for remote connection?
[10:28] <cotyrothery> maybe some one could guide me with remote connection
[10:28] <peaker> cotyrothery: how did you try to reinstall grub with the drives?
[10:28] <Arwen> peaker, take a look in /boot/grub, it has stage1, stage2, and various stage1.5 loaders for comparison
[10:28] <cotyrothery> i just told it to wipe everything off of the slave
[10:29] <Search4Lancer> how do I crank down the processor performance? I'm fairly sure I have it cranked up for full performance, but because of that, the system has been running terribly hot
[10:29] <Arwen> stage 1 is 512B (duh), stage 1.5 is 7.5K (for e2fs), stage 2 is 10.5K
[10:29] <peaker> no time, gotta reboot
[10:29] <life> hello, I just installed kubuntu, but it is breezy badger. I'd like to know how to upgrade it to the newest version
[10:29] <peaker> !upgrade
[10:29] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[10:29] <Arwen> life, you can't you'd have to upgrade to dapper then edgy
[10:30] <Arwen> better to install edgy directly
[10:30] <cotyrothery> is there a way to get some one to do this through remote connection
[10:30] <cotyrothery> it would be nice
[10:30] <peaker> cotyrothery: maybe I could help later. I need to reboot and hook up some hardware
[10:30] <peaker> cotyrothery: I'll be back in a couple of hours or so
[10:30] <peaker> maybe sooner
[10:30] <peaker> if everything goes quick
[10:30] <peaker> bbl
[10:30] <cotyrothery> ok
[10:30] <cotyrothery> thanks
[10:30] <life> Arwen, it is not recommendable to upgrade to dapper and afterwards to edgy?
[10:31] <Arwen> life, no, because it's long, tedious, and has complications
[10:31] <cotyrothery> im going to try once again to reinstall
[10:31] <Arwen> and because in about a month, you'll have to tack on another feisty upgrade
[10:31] <life> ok, so I just will download edgy and reinstall it
[10:32] <cotyrothery> Maybe someone could guide me throught the portions part
[10:34] <cotyrothery> I have also tried installing ubuntu and edubuntu in the desperate attempt to get my computer working
[10:35] <ScarFreewill> any1 know a app that i can run to cut a piece of a avi?
[10:36] <Arwen> ScarFreewill, dunno, vlc can do it via "partial extract", but that's not a pretty solution
[10:36] <kasper> Isn't it possible to find a guide about howto get flash plugin to work in opera?
[10:36] <LjL> !avifile-utils | ScarFreewill
[10:36] <ubotu> scarfreewill: avifile-utils: utility programs using the avifile library. In component universe, is extra. Version 1:<IP_ADDRESS>51021-2.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 280 kB, installed size 852 kB
[10:36] <ScarFreewill> Arwen: vlc thats a player right?
[10:36] <cotyrothery> i have tried all ubuntu os's
[10:36] <cotyrothery> none of them work
[10:37] <Arwen> ScarFreewill, yes, but it has transcoding tools built in
[10:37] <ScarFreewill> Arwen: cool
[10:37] <Arwen> see !avifiles-utils as LjL said
[10:37] <luke__> ih? you're crazy coty
[10:37] <ScarFreewill> yeah..
[10:37] <mrand> What group do my users need to be in to be able to print via CUPS?
[10:37] <cotyrothery> how am i crazy?
[10:37] <luke__> i've tried edgy and feisty,all work for me
[10:37] <luke__> i'ts your problem
[10:37] <cotyrothery> I install but nothing happens at boot
[10:37] <ScarFreewill> luke__: have you tried dapper??
[10:38] <cotyrothery> no
[10:38] <luke__> no
[10:38] <ScarFreewill> dapper is the lts version
[10:38] <cotyrothery> i dont have a burnrer
[10:38] <ScarFreewill> its suppost to work on most pcs
[10:38] <cotyrothery> burner
[10:38] <luke__> understood ,i know it
[10:38] <ScarFreewill> edgy is like just after a beta feisty just reached beta
[10:38] <luke__> but ,by now i've feisty beta 1
[10:39] <ScarFreewill> edgy does not work on verios pcs
[10:39] <cotyrothery> i dont care at this point what i have
[10:39] <cotyrothery> i just want my computer to work
[10:39] <luke__> and it's work with any problem,but enough work
[10:39] <cotyrothery> becuase i have a site to take care of
[10:40] <cotyrothery> ok
[10:40] <cotyrothery> im installing agian
[10:40] <cotyrothery> im at the portions
[10:40] <cotyrothery> what should i do
[10:40] <luke__> boh!
[10:41] <cotyrothery> should i wipe out my drive
[10:41] <cotyrothery> or do it manually
[10:42] <luke__> umhh you try looking bootable sequence on bios
[10:42] <cotyrothery> How should i do my portions when i install
[10:42] <luke__> and sorry for my english lol
[10:42] <cotyrothery> i have done everything
[10:42] <cotyrothery> at least i think i have
[10:42] <cotyrothery> and none of it seems to work
[10:42] <cotyrothery> so maybe it is the way im setting up the portiosn
[10:42] <cotyrothery> portions
[10:43] <luke__> you'll must put first : cd or dvd boot,second : hard disk etc...
[10:43] <cotyrothery> i did
[10:43] <luke__> then reboot you o.s.
[10:43] <luke__> ah
[10:43] <luke__> ufffff
[10:44] <cotyrothery> I have done it all
[10:44] <cotyrothery> so im just taking a guess but maybe i was not meant for kubunut
[10:44] <cotyrothery> or any of this
[10:44] <cotyrothery> considering i have been at this for weeks
[10:45] <cotyrothery> and now i have a head ache
[10:45] <rigved> cotyrothery: if u r serious about solving this prob then get in touch with a guy called Simon Felding
[10:45] <cotyrothery> who is he
[10:45] <luke__> i'm sorry,but i haven't other ideas
[10:45] <rigved> cotyrothery: his email id is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and his nickis Nullbyte
[10:46] <cotyrothery> is he on this irc channel
[10:46] <rigved> cotyrothery: if u stick around, he ll be around
[10:46] <cotyrothery> ok
[10:46] <cotyrothery> around what time
[10:46] <rigved> he s not online right now obviously or else he d have solved ur problem by now
[10:46] <cotyrothery> is he that good
[10:46] <rigved> can u just mail him? he might come online
[10:46] <rigved> he is very good
[10:46] <cotyrothery> sweet
[10:47] <cotyrothery> has he helped people that thought there was no hope
[10:47] <cotyrothery> like me
[10:47] <rigved> he ll help u only if u have some genuine problem which is challengeing for him
[10:47] <cotyrothery> lol
[10:47] <cotyrothery> well im sure i do
[10:47] <cotyrothery> no one else can solve it
[10:47] <rigved> he is from denmark i think
[10:48] <rigved> what is ur problem by the way
[10:48] <cotyrothery> i dont know
[10:48] <rigved> wow
[10:48] <cotyrothery> people say it is grub
[10:48] <cotyrothery> because when i start up after i install nothing happens
[10:48] <cotyrothery> i just get a no operating system found
[10:48] <rigved> have u tried formatting the whole drive and starting afresh
[10:48] <cotyrothery> yes
[10:48] <rigved> cool
[10:49] <cotyrothery> and now i hae no OS
[10:49] <cotyrothery> not even windows
[10:49] <rigved> do u have 2 hard drives by any chance
[10:49] <cotyrothery> and i have no burner
[10:49] <cotyrothery> and i have no windows cd
[10:49] <cotyrothery> yes
[10:49] <cotyrothery> i have two
[10:49] <rigved> and RAM
[10:49] <cotyrothery> of couce
[10:49] <cotyrothery> cource
[10:49] <Camaxtli> Did you install the bootloader on the primary hdd?
[10:49] <rigved> i mean 2 of em
[10:49] <Camaxtli> I take it that's the problem?
[10:50] <luke__> but work ubuntu 6.10 live?
[10:50] <cotyrothery> I have two drives
[10:50] <cotyrothery> and i beleive that the bootloader no longer works
[10:50] <Arwen> cotyrothery, which hard drive did you install grub to?
[10:50] <cotyrothery> i tried installing on the slave
[10:50] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: Install it to /hda
[10:50] <Arwen> cotyrothery, that's your problem, you need to have it on your master IDE
[10:50] <cotyrothery> i do
[10:50] <Arwen> ???
[10:50] <cotyrothery> but that will get rid of windows
[10:50] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: try this: sudo grub-install /dev/hda
 i tried installing on the slave
[10:51] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: Writing to the mbr doesn't kill windows.
[10:51] <cotyrothery>  so if i install on the main drive
[10:51] <cotyrothery> it should work
[10:51] <Arwen> ys
[10:51] <Arwen> yes
[10:51] <cotyrothery> ok
[10:51] <rigved> i dont think that ll get rid of windows if u allow it to take contagious space
[10:51] <cotyrothery> could you guide me
[10:51] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: Just try -> sudo grub-install /dev/hda
[10:51] <cotyrothery> ok one sec
[10:52] <Camaxtli> That should install your bootloader on the mbr
[10:52] <Camaxtli> And things should work again.
[10:52] <cotyrothery> ok
[10:52] <cotyrothery> it says that this could take awhile
[10:53] <Camaxtli> If that doesn't work we'll need all errors etc.. and a complete description of the problem.
[10:53] <cotyrothery> ok
[10:53] <cotyrothery> like
[10:53] <Arwen> Camaxtli, say, won't just installing to /dev/hda adjust the mbr? what about the second stage bootloader and stuff like that?
[10:53] <cotyrothery> the only message i have been getting is no operating system
[10:53] <Arwen> cotyrothery, yeah, that means your mbr was dead
[10:54] <Camaxtli> Funny, an empty mbr.
[10:54] <luke__> lol
[10:54] <cotyrothery> Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[10:54] <cotyrothery> that is what i got when i ran that command
[10:54] <Camaxtli> Now that's more interesting.
[10:54] <cotyrothery> how so
[10:54] <Camaxtli> Describe the entire problem in detail and more importantly, what did you do?
[10:54] <cotyrothery> um
[10:55] <Camaxtli> Also, what's the partition table like on that computer?
[10:55] <cotyrothery> i just installed kubuntu on the slave and walked away while it did it came back and it asked to restart
[10:55] <cotyrothery> and i have no idea about the partion table
[10:55] <Camaxtli> And when you restarted it said "No OS found" ?
[10:55] <cotyrothery> correctr
[10:56] <cotyrothery> I dont know if my problem is curable
[10:56] <Camaxtli> So basically that computer is unbootable
[10:56] <cotyrothery> correct
[10:56] <luke__> ummh ,maybe you'll must writing this command : sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:56] <cotyrothery> completly now
[10:56] <cotyrothery> i had windows
[10:57] <cotyrothery> ok i typed that command
[10:57] <Camaxtli> Windows XP? If so you can get that to boot quite easily (CD in it, recovery console and FIXMBR)
[10:57] <rigved> cotyrothery did u update the mtab
[10:57] <kasper> Im new and have two major issues. Can get flash plugin to work in Opera (Googled it and found absolutly nothing regarding that). And it seems like my Kubuntu browsers is having amajor lag. It takes about 30sec to load a web page (I have a 2MB and no problems on my windows PC, tried same pages and they are about 3-4sec of loading time)
[10:57] <cotyrothery> Ok i dont have the windows xp cd
[10:57] <rigved> # cp /proc/mounts /etc/mtab
[10:57] <Arwen> Camaxtli, don't you need to do fixboot too?
[10:57] <cotyrothery> I do not have a windows xp cd
[10:57] <cotyrothery> this computer is used
[10:58] <Arwen> cotyrothery, uh, go get one, you pretty much failed it
[10:58] <cotyrothery> this computer does not have a burner
[10:58] <Arwen> and go buy a burner, you can't get anywhere in life without one
[10:58] <cotyrothery> I cant at the moment
[10:58] <cotyrothery> i have no money
[10:58] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: Are you running from the liveCD?
[10:58] <cotyrothery> yes
[10:58] <Camaxtli> Oh
[10:58] <cotyrothery> its all i have
[10:59] <Camaxtli> You should've told that
[10:59] <luke__> lol
[10:59] <Camaxtli> Okay, we'll apply a bit of Gentoo logic here.
[10:59] <rigved> cotyrothery i m not sure but its got something to do with updating the mtab
[10:59] <cotyrothery> well i thougth it would have been obvious
[10:59] <Arwen> noo.... gentoo
[10:59] <Arwen> !gentoo
[10:59] <Arwen> ?
[10:59] <ubotu> Other !Linux distributions besides !Ubuntu include: Debian, Mepis (using !APT); RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva (using !RPM); Gentoo, Slackware (using other packaging systems)
[10:59] <luke__> what livecd?? is it a joke???
[10:59] <Camaxtli> First off, mount the partition you installed kubuntu on
[10:59] <cotyrothery> ok
[10:59] <cotyrothery> how
[10:59] <Arwen> cotyrothery, ..................................
[11:00] <cotyrothery> Oh my head
[11:00] <luke__> ci credo che non va!
[11:00] <cotyrothery> it hurts
[11:00] <cotyrothery> .........
[11:00] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: You DO know the device you installed it on?
[11:00] <Arwen> cotyrothery, mount /dev/hdx? -t ext3 /mnt
[11:00] <Arwen> Camaxtli, I detect a failure?
[11:00] <Camaxtli> Arwen: I detect the same.
[11:01] <Camaxtli> Arwen: This is going to be a long night :p
[11:01] <kasper> eehm, regarding my problem, shoulkd i come back tomorrow? :P
[11:01] <kasper> should*
[11:01] <Camaxtli> Arwen: RTFM is the correct answer here :D
[11:01] <Arwen> kasper, what problem?
[11:01] <cotyrothery> this will be a very long night for me
[11:01] <Camaxtli> kasper: What's your problem?
[11:01] <kasper> Im new and have two major issues. Can get flash plugin to work in Opera (Googled it and found absolutly nothing regarding that). And it seems like my Kubuntu browsers is having amajor lag. It takes about 30sec to load a web page (I have a 2MB and no problems on my windows PC, tried same pages and they are about 3-4sec of loading time)
[11:01] <Arwen> cotyrothery, maybe you'd be better off with a reinstall?
[11:02] <cotyrothery> i have done that
[11:02] <Arwen> kasper, iirc, there's only a flash plugin for mozilla browsers
[11:02] <Arwen> cotyrothery, reinstall to your first hdd with a complete reformat?
[11:02] <cotyrothery> WHAT
[11:02] <cotyrothery> are you crazy
[11:02] <kasper> but, why? i liiiike Opera.
[11:02] <cotyrothery> then i have no chance at getting windows back
[11:02] <Arwen> well, seems like the only thing easy enough for you to understand :-\
[11:02] <cotyrothery> if needed
[11:02] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: Are they two separate hdds?
[11:02] <Arwen> cotyrothery, besides, you don't have a Windows CD, there's already no chance of recovery
[11:02] <Arwen> Camaxtli, yeah
[11:02] <cotyrothery> ok
[11:03] <cotyrothery> so im just going to go ahead
[11:03] <cotyrothery> and do it
[11:03] <Camaxtli> Arwen: There is a chance of recovery :D
[11:03] <cotyrothery> lets hope for the best
[11:03] <luke__> i'm using epiphany,try it
[11:03] <Arwen> Camaxtli, without a Windows CD?
[11:03] <Camaxtli> Arwen: It just requires a bit of knowledge
[11:03] <cotyrothery> there is?
[11:03] <cotyrothery> i have none
[11:03] <cotyrothery> llol
[11:03] <Arwen> Camaxtli, to fix a Windows boot sector without a Windows CD?
[11:03] <cotyrothery> i have plenty about the psp thought
[11:03] <kasper> Arwen - And my other issue, nothing to do about that?
[11:03] <Arwen> Camaxtli, he tried to install grub to his windows partition at one point :-0\
[11:03] <luke__> it's a gnome's browser
[11:04] <Arwen> kasper, sorry, repeat? lol
[11:04] <Camaxtli> Arwen: Yes, get grub or lilo installed and set the chainreaction on the windows partition.
[11:04] <frojnd> wha'ts the path of java usually: I installed it with packages: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre and sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin   ??
[11:04] <frojnd> and can I use java for firefox and opera
[11:04] <Arwen> Camaxtli, he can't, he rewrote ntldr with grub.... on his windows partition, not the mbr
[11:04] <frojnd> or do I need to install 2 javas?
[11:04] <Arwen> yes, that should work - maybe
[11:04] <cotyrothery> so should i go ahead and wipe out windows
[11:04] <Arwen> cotyrothery, dunno, you think you can find a windows cd anywhere?
[11:05] <cotyrothery> no
[11:05] <Camaxtli> Arwen: He overwrote the mbr didn't he?
[11:05] <kasper> Arwen - Browsing the web takes ages for Kubuntu/Konqueor/Opera...
[11:05] <Arwen> Camaxtli, he *says* he overwrote the ntfs boot sector :-\
[11:05] <Arwen> dunno if he's telling the truth
[11:05] <cotyrothery> i dont know
[11:05] <Camaxtli> Arwen: Grub would give an error for that iirc
[11:05] <cotyrothery> what i over wrote
[11:05] <Lynoure> kasper: try disabling ipv6?
[11:05] <Arwen> Camaxtli, yeah, probably
[11:05] <cotyrothery> ok
[11:05] <kasper> Arwen - It is like im sitting with a major lag in the system. When i try the same pages on my Windows PC, it take 3-4sec
[11:05] <Lynoure> ipv6 | kasper
[11:05] <Lynoure> oops
[11:05] <cotyrothery> im going to go ahead and wipe out everything
[11:06] <Lynoure> !ipv6 | kasper
[11:06] <ubotu> kasper: To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[11:06] <cotyrothery> if i do
[11:06] <cotyrothery> should kubuntu work
[11:06] <Arwen> kasper, yeah ipv6 maybe?
[11:06] <Arwen> cotyrothery, after a reinstall, lol
[11:06] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: Try the following -> sudo mount /dev/hdb1 -t ext3 /mnt
[11:06] <Arwen> just make sure you install to device *1*
[11:06] <kasper> Lynoure - Okay, thanks, that'll just take me about 35sec to open that articel :P haha
[11:06] <Arwen> cotyrothery, listen to Camaxtli before you try my ideas though
[11:06] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: Then try -< sudo ls /mnt
[11:06] <Arwen> kasper, stop using tor :-)
[11:07] <cotyrothery> wow
[11:07] <cotyrothery> i just got a lot of text
[11:07] <cotyrothery> when i put in that command
[11:07] <_Johny> Hello everybody. Has anyone of you ever used "xmame". I don't know where copy the roms to...
[11:07] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: And check if there are files inside that directory
[11:07] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: Paste bin the text will you?
[11:07] <BluesKaj> kasper ,  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[11:07] <cotyrothery> ok
[11:07] <kasper> Arwen - tor? sorry im new at all this.
[11:07] <cotyrothery> !paste
[11:07] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[11:07] <Arwen> kasper, joke - tor is tor.eff.org
[11:07] <Camaxtli> Arwen: I'm wishing I had ssh to his box right now :p
[11:08] <Arwen> Camaxtli, lolz
[11:08] <cotyrothery> it takes for ever
[11:08] <cotyrothery> loading the web on live cd
[11:09] <kasper> Arwen - Aah so tor would slow down my internet? :P
[11:09] <Arwen> yeah, a lot :-)
[11:10] <kasper> Arwen - Haha, well i'll try to diable the IPv6 now, see if that help. Now i read the guide, is it because my hardware is old?
[11:10] <Arwen> dunno
[11:11] <cotyrothery> ok
[11:11] <cotyrothery> paste bin is almost loaded
[11:11] <magicfab> hello
[11:12] <Camaxtli> Give the url when you've pastebinned it
[11:12] <magicfab> how much memory would you say is the minumum required to run KDE , as in "comfortable, more than one applicatio" ?
[11:13] <rigved> magicfab 512 MB
[11:13] <cotyrothery> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12392/
[11:13] <Camaxtli> rigved: 256 is more than enough, even 128 is.
[11:13] <luke__> i've 256 mb...
[11:13] <luke__> with gnome...
[11:14] <rigved> i ve 512 :)
[11:14] <luke__> work beryl also...
[11:14] <magicfab> well, beryl is the video card's job ;)
[11:14] <luke__> it's enough ...
[11:14] <magicfab> mostly
[11:14] <luke__> bah
[11:15] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: My fault for, try -> sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb1 /mnt
[11:15] <frojnd> can someone help me on that one. I've installed java with package sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre and it wokrs for firefox. But for opera I have to enter a path to java.so So I locate.so and got: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-<IP_ADDRESS>/jre/lib/i386/libjava.so    but when I click validate path button it says that this is not validated java path... any suggestions
[11:15] <cotyrothery> it worked though
[11:15] <magicfab> is KDE / Kubuntu much "hungrier" than Gnome/Ubuntu ?
[11:15] <cotyrothery> i got a lot of text
[11:15] <cotyrothery> lol
[11:15] <luke__> at the moment with feisty i don't using beryl,i don't installed it
[11:15] <kasper> restarting Lynoure and BluesKaj, hoping for my internet to speed up! Thx :)
[11:16] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: The text is explaination of how to use mount. Just use the command I just gave you and after that use -> sudo ls /mnt
[11:16] <Camaxtli> and pastebin the responses you get
[11:16] <luke__> but with edgy i had compiz also
[11:17] <cotyrothery> i got no response
[11:17] <magicfab> so this badly needs updating: http://ftp.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/ch03s04.html
[11:17] <magicfab> oups
[11:17] <cotyrothery> nothing happened when i typed sudo ls /mnt
[11:18] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: Please highlight me by adding Camaxtli: in front of replies targeted at me. Also, what response did you get from the mount command?
[11:18] <cotyrothery> nothing
[11:18] <cotyrothery> what do you mean
[11:18] <cotyrothery> by highlight
[11:19] <Camaxtli> What I mean is: Begin a reply targeted at me with "Camaxtli: "
[11:19] <Camaxtli> Then I get a notification that someone wants me to read something
like this
[11:19] <Camaxtli> That works
[11:19] <cotyrothery> ok
[11:19] <cotyrothery> why is everyones text in color
[11:20] <cotyrothery> mine is not in color
[11:20] <kasper> Lynoure & BluesKaj - Thanks! Everything is much faster now!! Great! Lovin' it!
what should i do now
[11:21] <ScarFreewill> !info libdirectfb-0.9-24
[11:21] <ubotu> libdirectfb-0.9-24: frame buffer graphics library. In component main, is optional. Version 0.9.24-4ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 751 kB, installed size 1644 kB
[11:21] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: You didn't get a response when you did: sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb1 /mnt ?
[11:21] <cotyrothery> yes i did
 I did get a response
[11:21] <luke__> someone knows what installing the fastrate modem usb? thx :-)
[11:21] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: What response?
[11:22] <cotyrothery> the one i pasted
[11:22] <kasper> Will there ever be a flash plugin for Opera you guys think?
[11:23] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: You even got that response with mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb1 /mnt ?
[11:23] <kasper> !flashplugin
[11:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flashplugin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:23] <Camaxtli> !flash
[11:23] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:23] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
 Yes i got a responce
[11:24] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: Pleas pastebin that response?
 I did
[11:24] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: Strange, that command should've worked.
 it was the one i gave you before
[11:24] <cotyrothery> it did
 I't did
[11:25] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: I gave you a new command to use, it should give a different response
[11:25] <cotyrothery> ok
[11:25] <kasper> Camaxtli - But thats not for Opera is it?
[11:26] <rigved> Camaxtli: cotyrothery: could it have something to do with updating the mtab
 Wow yeah i got a diffrent responce
[11:26] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: Pastebin all responses please.
[11:27] <eilker> any experience for sata2 ? i am thinking of buying 250 gb sata2 as slave , master is 80 gb ide.
[11:27] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: ok just give me a min so it can load
[11:27] <BluesKaj> kasper , in the terminal , " ip a | grep inet6" ...if there is no output then IPV6 is disabled
[11:28] <kasper> BluesKaj - It must be, i can teel by the speed on my browsering by now. Thank you!
[11:28] <bronze_0_1> Hi Guys. I'm building a new kubuntu server/development system.  I typically do an "almost everything" install when working from a set of 5 or 6 CD's.  With Kubuntu I don't have that option.  Is there anyplace with a list of meta packages that I can peruse?
[11:28] <kasper> BluesKaj - You wouldn't happen to know anything about flash plugin for Opera, would you?
[11:29] <sebbar> hi, somehow I manage to detach the tool options from the main window, how do I get it there again?
[11:29] <sebbar> sirry wrong channel :)
[11:29] <sebbar> *sorry
[11:29] <cotyrothery> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12394/
[11:29] <cotyrothery> Camaxtil: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12394/
[11:30] <BluesKaj> kasper , in the opera adressbar type about:plugins ..it will list them all
[11:31] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: What did you do? Just type: sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hb1 /mnt
[11:31] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: And give me the response to that
[11:31] <kasper> BluesKaj - I gives me these two: application/x-opera-nsplugin, /usr/lib/opera/plugins/libnpp.so ?
[11:31] <Bluedog> http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/alternates/
[11:31] <Bluedog> there doesnt seem to be one for opera
[11:31] <eilker> bronze_0_1> u wanna know what u gonna install at all ?
[11:31] <cotyrothery> camaxtli: i did
[11:31] <Bluedog> unless a firefox/mozilla one will work
[11:31] <cotyrothery> camaxtli: that is the response i got
[11:32] <kasper> It wont, i'v tried that.
[11:32] <Bluedog> =(
[11:32] <kasper> or a least iv think iv triede.. Cause iv tried alot by now!
[11:32] <ddesktop> hello does anybody happen to know if a recent update to Feisty has broken Adept?
[11:32] <eilker> bronze_0_1> i would use "ubuntu server" cd , than install whatever i want... kde etc...
[11:32] <kasper> i love Opera, and didn't see this as a problem for Kubuntu :\
[11:33] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: You did something else, you don't get that response from that command.
[11:33] <cotyrothery> ok
[11:33] <cotyrothery> Camaztli: what should i have goten
[11:34] <mknights> Does anyone here use a program called VirtualBox?
[11:34] <BluesKaj> is it like VMWare?
[11:34] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: Something about the drive being mounted
[11:35] <cotyrothery> Camaxtil: i got something diffrent this time
[11:35] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: paste bin please.
[11:35] <tuzlo> does gimp support jpg's by default?
[11:35] <bronze_0_1> eilker: hi, sorry, I really want to be able to build an "almost everything" install would the server CD help me do that?
[11:36] <kasper> Well, im off to bed, thanks for your time BluesKaj and Bluedog :)
[11:36] <BluesKaj> > kasper , there is a flash plugin for opera ,
[11:36] <BluesKaj> > application/futuresplash	spl
[11:36] <BluesKaj> > application/x-shockwave-flash
[11:36] <bronze_0_1> eilker: will I be able to select most tools and utilities easily? fo example, centos has over 1500 packages installed, I dont want to have to decide and select that many things, that why I want the list of meta packages
[11:37] <eilker> bronze_0_1: i think that i misunderstood you , ubuntu server will install base system, but i can give you a package name almost for  all repo's for kubuntu
[11:37] <cotyrothery> camaxtil: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12395/
[11:38] <eilker> bronze_0_1>official and unofficial
[11:38] <bronze_0_1> OK, I'l l start there.
[11:38] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12395/
[11:38] <bronze_0_1> oops, gotta run. pick up time.   BBL
[11:39] <eilker> bronze_0_1> oh ok
[11:40] <eilker> bronze_0_1> 3v1n0-sources-list  u may try this package ,
[11:40] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: You're missing a space between "ext3" and "/dev/hdb1"
[11:40] <ScarFreewill> does any one know how to install openoffice dictionarys
[11:41] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: i just copied and past what you gave me
[11:41] <ScarFreewill> example http://translate.org.za/download/spellchecker/afrikaans/myspell-pack-af-ZA-20060117.zip
[11:41] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hb1 /mnt (This version _is_ correct)
[11:41] <eilker>  is sata2  supported by ubuntu ?
[11:42] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: mount: special device /dev/hb1 does not exist
[11:42] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: That is the response i got
[11:43] <Camaxtli> hmm
[11:43] <Camaxtli> Are you sure you have two physical drives?
[11:43] <cotyrothery> yes
[11:43] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: How would i not
[11:44] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: LOL
[11:44] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: On which partition did you install de root partition?
[11:44] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: I tolled it to erase the whole drive
[11:45] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: Be right back
[11:47] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: Try this then -> mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /mnt
[11:47] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: Back, Ok hold on
[11:48] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: mount: only root can do that
[11:49] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: That is the response
[11:49] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: Then add sudo in front of the command
[11:50] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: like sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /mnt ?
[11:50] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: yes
[11:51] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: I got an error i have never seen before
[11:51] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: What error?
[11:51] <ins-dragonclaw> does anyone know any good snes emulators for kubuntu?
[11:52] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: I will past bin it
[11:52] <Camaxtli> k
[11:53] <ins-dragonclaw> *waits*
[11:53] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: I just want to let you know i know how you feel about all the problem that i have because i help people like this all the time just with there PSP and not linux LOL
[11:53] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12400/
[11:53] <yuan> hello
[11:54] <yuan> ppl
[11:55] <yuan> have somebody speech portuguese
[11:55] <ins-dragonclaw> !pt
[11:55] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[11:55] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: Try this: sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hda2 /mnt
[11:55] <luke__> nao juan
[11:55] <luke__> eu vou para cama :-) lol
[11:56] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: mount: special device /dev/hda2 does not exist
[11:56] <yuan> thankx ppl
[11:56] <luke__> at amanha yuan :-)
[11:56] <ins-dragonclaw> cotyrothery: PSP, right?
[11:56] <peaker> cotyrothery: did you make any progress?
[11:56] <ins-dragonclaw> disconnect it, wait a few and reconnect
[11:57] <cotyrothery> ins-dragonclaw: Yes i help people with ther psp and how to hack them
[11:57] <yuan> ate amanha
[11:57] <yuan> luke
[11:57] <cotyrothery> peaker: No i have made no progress
[11:57] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hc1 /mnt
[11:57] <luke__> i'm tired yuan,sorry :-)
[11:58] <yuan> whre are u from
[11:58] <yuan> luke
[11:58] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: mount: special device /dev/hc1 does not exist
[11:58] <luke__> biella,north italy
[11:58] <yuan> no problem
[11:58] <luke__> and you?
[11:58] <peaker> cotyrothery: you should be able to install grub on the mbr, in which case your bios should definitely find an OS there.
[11:58] <yuan> I am from Maputo
[11:58] <peaker> cotyrothery: try to run grub, use the root and setup commands to set it on (hd0)
[11:58] <yuan> Mozambique
[11:58] <chuck> my main user on ubuntu edgy can use my DVD player to watch movies, but my mythtv user can't. anyone have any suggestions on what to check? what permissions would there be?
[11:58] <yuan> Africa
[11:58] <luke__> where is maputo?
[11:58] <luke__> ahhh
[11:58] <peaker> cotyrothery: and tell me if it succeeds,
[11:59] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: Run the installation script and check what partition you installed kubuntu on
[11:59] <cotyrothery> peaker: Could you give me exact instructions
[11:59] <Camaxtli> peaker: He get "No OS"
[11:59] <ins-dragonclaw> yuan - you're in Mozambique? wow
[11:59] <ins-dragonclaw> <-- south africa
[11:59] <yuan> yas
[11:59] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: What programe do i do that with
[11:59] <yuan> which city
[11:59] <ins-dragonclaw> Pretoria
[12:00] <yuan> i have family
[12:00] <Camaxtli> cotrothery: The big "Install" link on the desktop
[12:00] <luke__> but are you african or other?
[12:00] <peaker> Camaxtli: ya he does
[12:00] <ins-dragonclaw> grrr .... nestra znes and fceu all failed... anyone know any other good snes emulators?
[12:00] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: Ok im there
[12:00] <ins-dragonclaw> I'm born and bred south african
[12:00] <yuan> I am african\
[12:00] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: now what
[12:00] <yuan> but my father is from frace
[12:00] <ScarFreewill> how to i use avifile-utils?
[12:00] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: Run through it until you get at the partition manager, then select "manual"
[12:01] <yuan> but i never meet him
[12:01] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: Im at it
[12:01] <ScarFreewill> yuan: where do you live?
[12:01] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: Then look at which partition is marked as ext3
[12:01] <cotyrothery> ok
[12:01] <ScarFreewill> !avifile-utils
[12:01] <ubotu> avifile-utils: utility programs using the avifile library. In component universe, is extra. Version 1:<IP_ADDRESS>51021-2.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 280 kB, installed size 852 kB
[12:01] <yuan> Mozambique-maputo
[12:01] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: By the way
[12:01] <ScarFreewill> South Africa - Cape Town
[12:02] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: If i ever disconnect it is because my computer froze
[12:02] <yuan> nice
[12:02] <kuwanger> I'm wanting to do a netboot install of kubuntu.  The documentation from kubuntu/ubuntu is very light on the subject, though.
[12:02] <ScarFreewill> ok so how do I use avifile-utils? can I use it?
[12:02] <luke__> why do you speak portuguese?
[12:02] <cotyrothery> bronze_0_1: What would that do
[12:03] <ScarFreewill> or how do I cut a piece of a avi vid?
[12:03] <cotyrothery> bronze_0_1: nevermind
[12:03] <yuan> Mozzambique speak portuguese
[12:03] <luke__> ah
[12:03] <peno> zdarec
[12:03] <yuan> some times do you come to maputo
[12:03] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[12:04] <peno> co je??
[12:04] <peno> to se smejes me bo co??
[12:04] <ins-dragonclaw> I live in the neighbouring country and i've never been to mozambique...
[12:04] <luke__> i didn't know it
[12:04] <yuan> why
[12:04] <peno> mluvte esky pii
[12:04] <peaker> cotyrothery: okay, run grub in a shell
[12:05] <ins-dragonclaw> ScarFreewill: you're in capetown?
[12:05] <peaker> cotyrothery: in a terminal
[12:05] <peaker> cotyrothery: sudo grub
[12:05] <ins-dragonclaw> lucky bugger....
[12:05] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: How can i tell
[12:05] <ScarFreewill> ins-dragonclaw: yeah
[12:05] <ins-dragonclaw> i need sun :/
[12:05] <ins-dragonclaw> it's only raining here
[12:05] <cotyrothery> Camzxtli: I has one drive
[12:05] <peno> co to blejete zasraky?? ikam mlufte esky kua... kdo je na vas zvdavej pichy...
[12:05] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: One drive and one partition I take it?
[12:05] <yuan> humm
[12:05] <ScarFreewill> ins-dragonclaw: *_^
[12:05] <yuan> u can come
[12:05] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[12:06] <yuan> here
[12:06] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: one drive
[12:06] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: Weird
[12:06] <Camaxtli> peaker: grub-install was the first thing I recommended ;)
[12:06] <peno> piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiil
[12:06] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: You always had one drive with 2 partitions
[12:06] <ins-dragonclaw> O.o
[12:06] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: I have two drives why is only one showing up
[12:06] <peaker> cotyrothery: after you finish reinstalling, if it doesn't work, you can try running grub as root, then try inside grub to find out where your root partition is, in grub terms. That you can do by using the "cat" command to show a file.  "cat (hd0,0)/.." and try tab completion after that. If it works and shows you the files, then (hd0,0) is where your partition is at
[12:06] <ins-dragonclaw> is there a channel for binary?
[12:06] <luke__> however i'm going out,byeeee,see you soon :-)
[12:06] <kuwanger> peaker: Yo.
[12:06] <peno> hello girls !!
[12:06] <peaker> Camaxtli: but he doesn't know which device it installs on, and his mbr is probably kaput ;)
[12:06] <yuan> ok
[12:07] <peaker> kuwanger: hey. ltns
[12:07] <peaker> kuwanger: where you at now?
[12:07] <cotyrothery> peaker: um ok
[12:07] <luke__> kaput lol
[12:07] <kuwanger> peaker: Yea.  Going to install kubuntu on my mom's system because Windows 2000 doesn't want to install. :/
[12:07] <Camaxtli> peaker: I wish I had a ssh connection to his box so I could work faster
[12:07] <peno> s vam je e ty voe
[12:07] <luke__> ciao a tutti
[12:07] <kuwanger> peaker: Oh..same old, same old.
[12:07] <peno> with you is dialog
[12:07] <peaker> kuwanger: its been like 5 years - something must have changed!
[12:07] <cotyrothery> kuwanger: kubuntu might not want to install
[12:07] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: In how many parts is the hdd seperated?
[12:07] <peno> na hovnolizmus jak ikame my fitaci
[12:08] <yuan> ppl i have problem with my linux
[12:08] <peno> nebo spis fetaci :DD::D:DD::D:D:D:D:D:D
[12:08] <kuwanger> cotyrothery: Anything is possible.
[12:08] <kuwanger> peaker:  Well, I graduated from college.
[12:08] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: it does not say
[12:08] <peno> kuwanger: nothing is impossible
[12:08] <BluesKaj> peaker, Camaxtli, try not to confuse theings with cotyrothery , too many cooks ...and all that :(
[12:08] <yuan> it just play audio
[12:08] <peaker> kuwanger: and are you making the big bucks now?
[12:08] <yuan> not mp3
[12:08] <cotyrothery> Kuwanger: Yeah well it does not want to install for me
[12:08] <kuwanger> peaker: Not yet.
[12:08] <kuwanger> cotyrothery: Sorry to hear that.
[12:09] <peno> kuwanger: to je fpoho
[12:09] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: Is the disk seperated by black lines?
[12:09] <cotyrothery> kuwanger: No problem because we have the best tech support right here
[12:09] <peaker> kuwanger: ah, I just came back from a big trip to New Zealand and Thailand, was fun ;)  Now gonna start making the big bucks heh
[12:09] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: Or is it one big bar?
[12:09] <yuan> I ask any help
[12:09] <peno> vy ste teplousi
[12:09] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: Were should i look to see that
[12:09] <peno> you nigga bitches
[12:09] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: it is one big bar
[12:09] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: In the installation's partition manager
[12:09] <peno> are you hot???
[12:10] <peno> i want kubundy
[12:10] <kuwanger> peaker:  Oh, I also swung through a couple different ideologies over the years.  I think I've finally settled on a more permanent one.
[12:10] <peno> to je uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuulet
[12:10] <ins-dragonclaw> Riddell
[12:10] <peaker> cotyrothery: oh I'm dumb, I read the grub manual and you can do something simpler: "find /boot/grub/stage1" will show you which partitions/devices you have that contain that
[12:10] <kuwanger> peaker:  One major aspect being, an end to copyright.
[12:10] <BluesKaj> peno, watch it
[12:10] <peno> it is fly away
[12:10] <peaker> kuwanger: ah, so now you agree with mine ;)
[12:11] <cotyrothery> peaker: i have done that many times
[12:11] <kuwanger> peaker: Meet any bar girls in Thailand? :)
[12:11] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: k. back one step and do the "erase entire hdd" thing
[12:11] <peno> BluesKaj: on what i should watch???
[12:11] <peaker> kuwanger: I think copyright should either disappear, or perhaps its better to just have commercial-only copyright for a few year period
[12:11] <cotyrothery> ok
[12:11] <peaker> kuwanger: heh all the local Thai girls are whores with HIV
[12:11] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: But i have dont that many times
[12:11] <frojnd> how can I download torrent with opera, and I mean just to download .torrent file cause when I click on a torrent to transfer it opera asks me where to save torrent and that will start using opera's bittorent client... I just wanna transger the torrent
[12:11] <Camaxtli> cotyrothery: Lets do the installation step by step
[12:11] <peaker> kuwanger: all the ones that you can hook up with as a tourist, anyhow
[12:11] <cotyrothery> Camaxtli: Nothing ever comes of it


[01:06] <amurray> kinghat: sadly not - however I have often wondered if snapd should perhaps introduce a new interface 'global-tmp' or somesuch which means the snap gets given access to /tmp in the root mount namespace rather than it's own private /tmp
[05:59] <mup> PR snapd#12024 closed: systemd: bind mount units to basic.target not to default.target <Needs Samuele review> <Created by mardy> <Closed by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12024>
[09:35] <mup> PR snapd#12069 opened: interfaces: grant access to the Wayland socket in the slot snap's private XDG_RUNTIME_DIR <Created by jhenstridge> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12069>
[10:55] <mup> PR snapd#10463 closed: systemd: smart systemd interaction <Needs Samuele review> <Created by kubiko> <Closed by kubiko> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10463>
[11:10] <mup> PR snapd#12063 closed: devicestate: return an error in checkEncryption() if KernelInfo fails <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12063>
[11:30] <mup> PR snapd#11170 closed: snap: minimal read-only squashfs library to read squashfs images <Precious but later :heart:> <Created by Meulengracht> <Closed by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11170>
[12:16] <mup> PR snapd#12070 opened: asserts,cmd/snap-repair: drop not pursued AuthorityDelegation/signatory-id <snap-revision-delegation> <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12070>
[12:51] <mup> PR snapd#12071 opened: interfaces: make polkit implicit on core if /usr/libexec/polkitd exists <Created by jhenstridge> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12071>
[14:09] <nitin> Hello All,  please allow me to ask this question - when snapd version 2.57 will be released in snapd "stable" channel ? Sorry , if this is not the right place
[14:13] <ogra> nitin, https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/snapd-release-process/26628 ?
[14:13] <ogra> there is also https://snapcraft.io/docs/snapd-roadmap ... but that seems to be a bit behind (i guess because mvo was on vacation :) )
[14:18] <nitin> @ogra - Thank you for sharing this information. Its clear to me now .. I will wait for next major release
[14:33] <mvo> ogra: yes, sorry for that
[14:34] <ogra> mvo, i dont mind ... 🙂 (i only noticed it is outdated, there was no blame)
[14:34] <mup> PR core20#132 closed: core: add pkcs11 dependencies <Created by kubiko> <Merged by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/core20/pull/132>
[15:42] <mup> PR snapd#12035 closed: o/snapstate: extend support for holding refreshes <Needs Samuele review> <Created by MiguelPires> <Merged by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12035>
[15:47] <mup> PR snapd#12072 opened: tests/nested: add test that checks connections after a revert <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12072>
[17:17] <mup> PR snapd#12073 opened: many: support refresh hold/unhold to API and CLI <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12073>
[18:27] <mup> PR snapd#12049 closed: tests: run spread tests in ubuntu kinetic <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12049>
[20:35] <mup> PR snapcraft#3884 opened: cli: parse http-proxy and https-proxy <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3884>
[20:53] <mup> PR snapd#12074 opened: tests: start using remote tools from snapd-testing-tools project in nested tests <Run nested> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12074>


[01:21] <holms> m.. anybody tried iptable-persistent in 15.04?
[01:21] <holms> althought it's installed , service with this name is not found
[01:25] <holms> # systemctl start iptables-persistent.service
[01:25] <holms> Failed to get D-Bus connection: Operation not permitted
[01:25] <holms> ok..
[01:28] <holms> help =(
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/01/libreoffice-4-4-released-ui-revamp
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> will be default in 15.04
[09:49] <lordievader> Good morning.
[13:19] <BluesKaj> Hi folks


[00:16] <Sismo> Hi all!
[00:16] <Sismo> I'm setting Xubuntu on a rbpi4 on ubuntu 20.04
[00:17] <Sismo> I have an old dell monitor with resolution 2560x1080, but I wasnt able to set this resolution on my xubuntu instalation.
[00:17] <Sismo> Has someone have some experience with this probrem
[00:18] <Sismo> Y tried to use xrandr without any luck
[01:15] <DarkTrick2> Hello
[01:15] <DarkTrick2> It seems my xorg is frozen
[01:16] <DarkTrick2> I can still move the mouse, but no apps respond
[01:16] <DarkTrick2> xub 19.10
[01:17] <DarkTrick2> Is there any quick check to see what is wrong?
[01:17] <DarkTrick2> I can still use ttys to move around the system
[01:25]  * DarkTrick2 is giving up. killall
[13:38] <CrazyH> xubuntu 19.10 / XCFE-4. How do I get the screen to stop timing out and turning black? No matter what I set the screen saver / power settings to it keeps happening
[13:38] <CrazyH> First the machine turns the screen black... then about 10 mins later my monitor shuts off because it sees nothing but black screen
[13:53] <Priem19> CrazyH, https://askubuntu.com/questions/1165233/laptop-screen-is-black-after-restart/1165240#1165240
[13:53] <Priem19> Perhaps that's the problem
[13:53] <Priem19> gotta run, bb
[14:23] <CrazyH> Thanks for the info.
[14:23] <CrazyH> I'm not running  laptop, so I don't see light-locker running on my system
[14:24] <CrazyH> I disabled it in power setting manager
[14:24] <CrazyH> if that fails, I'll try shutting down upowerd
[17:30] <CrazyH> Killing upowerd didn't help. Doing all of the stuff in the link that Priem19 gave didn't help
[17:38] <GridCube> CrazyH: change the options on the powersettings menu
[17:39] <CrazyH> GridCube, That's the first thing I did. It doesn't work
[17:39] <GridCube> https://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-manager/preferences#display
[17:39] <GridCube> tried to turn it off?
[17:42] <CrazyH> I tried it two different ways:
[17:43] <CrazyH> 1. Power management turned on, but all timeouts set to "never"
[17:43] <CrazyH> 2. power managment turned off completely
[17:43] <CrazyH> neither one works
[17:48] <GridCube> mmm
[17:48] <CrazyH> So I've tried: turning power management off the proper way 2 different ways. I've tried killing power manager. I've tried killing and renaming upowerd ( because it auto restarts ) and I tried looking light-control ( or whatever it was called ). Doesn't exist. This is a Desktop, not a laptop
[17:49] <CrazyH> I don't even know what else to do except to maybe start poking around with Dconf
[17:52] <GridCube> maybe the modifications are not being read properly in the config file? could you try login off and removing the ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-power-manager.xml, while logged off, then log back in so the file gets respawned and see if changes take effect?
[18:05] <CrazyH> So log off, then use a virtual console?
[18:05] <CrazyH> I'll give it a shot
[18:09] <CrazyH> GridCube, the contents of that file: https://bpaste.net/AZCQ
[18:09] <CrazyH> The last line looks like it might be the issue
[18:10] <GridCube> yeah, it probably should say "unit" and not uint
[18:10] <GridCube> but maybe not, theres' a lot uint
[18:11] <GridCube> oh its u int, no idea what it means
[18:11] <GridCube> i guess it's correct then
[18:11] <GridCube> this is the new file or the one that has respawned?
[18:11] <GridCube> you could try setting that to 0 anyway ?
[18:12] <CrazyH> I haven't done anything yet. The first thing I did was just read the file
[18:12] <GridCube> oh
[18:12] <GridCube> :P good idea
[18:12] <CrazyH> The problem is this line:  <property name="inactivity-on-ac" type="uint" value="14"/>  <-- I'm assuming that 14 means 14 mins
[18:13] <CrazyH> When I run xfce power manager, it gives me no option mentioning anything about being on AC power ( Probably because this is not a lap top )
[18:13] <GridCube> mmhm
[18:13] <CrazyH> Therefore, I can not change that setting using the power manager
[18:13] <GridCube> i see
[18:13] <GridCube> well modify it here then
[18:13] <GridCube> just set it to 0
[18:13] <CrazyH> yeah... that
[18:13] <CrazyH> I'll see if that works
[18:14] <GridCube> it's rather safe to do, again, you can just get it back to default by removing it and loging back it
[18:14] <CrazyH> Do I now have to reboot a certain program to load the value?
[18:15] <GridCube> mmmm, i don't think so?, but maybe modify a different thing in the power-manager so it records that a change has been made?
[18:15] <GridCube> i think there should be an option to apply changes on xfce4-power-manager
[18:16] <GridCube> xfce4-power-manager --restart
[18:19] <CrazyH> I tried that and several other things with xfce-power-manger
[18:20] <CrazyH> It keeps changing that value back to 14
[18:20] <CrazyH> It seems to be a default value
[18:20] <GridCube> mmmm
[18:21] <GridCube> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=215999
[18:23] <CrazyH> ok, maybe I was wrong. I edited the file again, then ran xfce4-power-manager --restart   several times. Now the value stays at 0
[18:23] <GridCube> >Remember that the property /xfce4-power-manager/inactivity-on-ac has to be configured to have a value of 14 (which corresponds to ‘Never’ in the Xfce Power Manager settings GUI) for every user.
[18:24] <GridCube> i'm very confused
[18:24] <GridCube> XD
[18:26] <CrazyH> The config file, the line that we have been focused on. It had a value of 14. At first I wasn't able to change it, because the power manager would just change it back to 14.
[18:26] <CrazyH> Well, now I am able to change it to 0, and when i retart the power manager it stays at 0
[18:27] <GridCube> ok
[18:27] <CrazyH> But... apparently 14 is what I wanted in the first place?
[18:27] <GridCube> yeah, that's what i'm not understanding
[18:27] <GridCube> but try to see what happens if you keep it at zero
[18:27] <GridCube> i think that 0 is what you want in this case
[18:29] <CrazyH> I'll let you know. I'll come back in an hour or so. if my monitor is not black... then 0 is the ticket
[19:44] <CrazyH> GridCube, it does seem to be working with the setting of 0
[19:45] <CrazyH> Maybe there is a difference between the code and the documentation?
[19:45] <CrazyH> Because it says that 14 is supposed to be the value that works for this?
[19:45] <GridCube> Mmhm
[19:46] <GridCube> No idea CrazyH
[19:46] <GridCube> Sorry


[03:02] <micahg> fta: ACK, so if it's ready tomorrow, I"ll try to push it out sunday night
[14:57] <chrisccoulson> micahg - do you think we should keep fennec in the archive for now?
[16:09] <micahg> chrisccoulson: well, 1850 installs according to popcon, can we switch to internal xul for the release version or do we have to wait til 5?
[16:30] <chrisccoulson> micahg - we could do, but i'm not going to spend any time on that
[16:30] <chrisccoulson> in addition to that, i'm not sure fennec is much use to anyone until it has touch support on linux
[16:33] <micahg> well, once 5 comes, I want to switch the stable releases to internal xul copies
[16:34] <micahg> I actually want to drop conkeror unless it can work somehow off the firefox directory
[16:34] <micahg> which xtaran said it might be able to if xulrunner-stub was present
[16:37] <chrisccoulson> nooooooo, we don't want things using firefox at all really
[16:37] <chrisccoulson> else it doesn't really solve the problem we have
[16:37] <chrisccoulson> we need to able to deploy firefox updates quickly, without breaking things and without having to rebuild anything :)
[16:37] <chrisccoulson> conkeror should be building against xulrunner for sure :)
[16:42] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ok, then we should drop it since it'll be insecure in 3 months
[16:43] <micahg> chrisccoulson: are we planning a new xulrunner for O or are we dropping the rest of the rdepends?
[16:43] <micahg> or TBD?
[16:44] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'm not too sure yet
[16:44] <micahg> and what about instantbird?  is it worth an update every 6 weeks or should be drop it as well?
[16:49] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, so I'll file the removal bug for conkeror
[16:51] <micahg> and I've got 5 apps to port to mozjs185 before final freeze
[16:52] <micahg> I'm going to switch gnome-chemistry-utils and vlc to firefox-dev
[16:58] <fta> firefox-dev? doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of isolating firefox from the xul deps?
[16:59] <chrisccoulson> fta - it's used purely for providing npapi headers for plugins which need them (although, they probably should be shipping the headers themselves)
[17:00] <chrisccoulson> we're not really building anything against it
[17:00] <chrisccoulson> and we don't want to start either ;)
[17:10]  * micahg is switch anything that needs NPAPI headers to firefox-dev
[17:10] <micahg> mozplugger is shipping its own copy
[17:11] <micahg> I want to drop xulrunner-2.0 from natty before release, looks like we're stuck with 1.9.2 for eclipse, but I still want to disable the internal browser
[17:21] <fta> soon, every project still active will use the NPAPI, so you'll be back to square one
[17:21] <micahg> except chromium which is switching to PPAPI
[17:23] <fta> lol, chromium won't use ff-dev anyway;)
[17:24] <fta> isn't ff now switching to pepper btw?
[17:24]  * micahg is behind on mozilla musings
[17:24] <fta> sorted(h, key=lambda z: h[z]['d1'], reverse=True)
[17:25] <fta> oops
[17:25] <fta> !$?!@* buffers
[17:25] <ubot2> Factoid 'buffers' not found
[17:27] <micahg> fta: do you think you'll have chromium today?  I"m off mon-wed of next week
[17:27] <fta> depends when today ends for you
[17:28] <fta> i'm still fighting with my translations converter
[17:34] <micahg> fta: latest would be about 5 hours from now, I'm working sunday though, I could upload sat night after about 2AM UTC sunday
[17:36] <micahg> chrisccoulson: re mozjs pkg-config, what do I do now for porting?
[17:36] <fta> micahg, well, it will be ready once i'm done with it. the last few times, i worked fast, way off my hours, and it still took days/weeks to reach the security repo :(
[17:37] <micahg> fta: I'm sorry about that, we were hoping for that password fix to happen
[22:23] <BUGabundo> oias
[23:52] <fta> jcastro, any update on the webapp/bamf bug? i'm about to release a new chromium to natty..


 They themselves can decide when enough is enugh
[23:19] <wxl> hggdh: okie dokie. thanks for the heads up. one of them kind of stepped in there anyways.
[23:19] <wxl> also, in reality, guy wasn't too trolly. just a total noob where english was not his first language
[23:23] <hggdh> nah, the winsen guy was trollish. But, anyway, our scope is the #*ubuntu* channels. #c-sysadmin if quite off our map
[23:24] <wxl> i say this based on private messages i had with him
[23:24] <wxl> but anywho, 10-4 :)
[23:36] <wxl> !tsimonq2 is like the Microsoft paperclip guy.
[23:36] <wxl> oops
[23:36] <wxl> hjahahahah wrong channel
[23:37] <wxl> !tsimonq2 is
[23:37] <wxl> ugh
[23:37] <wxl> !tsimonq2 is .
[23:38] <elky> !forget tsimonq2
[23:38] <wxl> ah thank you


[01:14] <k_sze> lordievader, my point is that the installer should have at least asked me.
[01:15] <k_sze> I specifically chose to install on a secondary SSD in the hopes that the installer would not mess with whatever is on my primary SSD (including the /boot and EFI partitions).
[01:21] <k_sze> So it looks like the Kubuntu overwrote /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grub.cfg to search for the /boot partition on my secondary SSD (by partition uuid, which translates to /dev/sdc2)
[01:22] <k_sze> My old /boot actually looks intact.
[06:21] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:57] <BluesKaj> nHi folks
 Hello
[13:51] <magic_ninja_work> Thinking of installing the kde backport for 5.16.
[13:51] <magic_ninja_work> has anyone tried it? Anyone know if it has the suspend + hibernate option?
[16:52] <viewer|8> hi kubuntu folks. we have a surface pro 4 running kubuntu 18.10 . it drops the wifi frequently. is there a command we can send to restart the wifi?
[21:04] <Thr0r> Hello! I have Kubuntu 19,04 recently installed and updated today. I also have Korganizer 5,10,3 that I'm trying to use. All works fine but not reminder notifications.. Is it not able
[21:05] <Thr0r> ..to give some kind of popup or send a message to the notification system?
[21:06] <Thr0r> akonadiserver is running. I have checked alot of stuff..
[21:38] <valorie> Thr0r: maybe check in #kontact
[21:38] <valorie> err, lemme check that chan name with alis
[21:39] <valorie> yup yup
[21:39] <valorie> !alis
[21:42] <Thr0r> valorie: Ok - thanks - I  was thinking to try #kde but if you say so I will try
[21:42] <valorie> #kde is much more for all kde software
[21:42] <valorie> kontact is the pim suite and is the devel chan
[21:43] <valorie> it's a bit late in europe but some might still be around in there
[21:43] <Thr0r> Ok - Lets see if they respond.. If not I will try kde.
[21:48] <Thr0r> valorie: Maybe people don't use korganizer? ..do you have an alternative that you use? ..to suggest..
[21:48] <valorie> I don't
[21:49] <Thr0r> ok
[21:49] <valorie> just google calendar
[21:49] <valorie> :(
[21:49] <valorie> I'm a pim fail for the past few years
[21:49] <valorie> kmail used to be my absolute favorite
[21:50] <valorie> sad to say I just use gmail now
[21:51] <Thr0r> google calendar doesn't have recurrence (i.e every second week or so) - just ordinary recurrence.
[21:52] <Thr0r> I use gmail too - but could not use the calendar in there..
[21:53] <Thr0r> (this is not google calendar support - i Know) :)
[21:56] <valorie> so far I've liked the recurring events, etc. on gcal
[21:56] <valorie> but yeah
[21:56] <valorie> I much prefer to use all the KDE software that fits my usecases
[21:57] <valorie> and it feels bad to use google's stuff instead
[21:57] <Thr0r> I totally agree - but for mail - there is no real alternative that is good. So far. Only email clients..
[22:01] <Thr0r> I am trying to free myself from google, apple, MS and all the those big ones. It takes some work..
[22:07] <Thr0r> The #kontact seems to be a development channel.. They do not usually answer questions like mine I think.. And I see if I ask in #kde - you will suggest #kontact again :)
[22:14] <valorie> ha!
[22:15] <valorie> they can at least tell you if you are encountering a bug
[22:15] <valorie> it's a public channel so users do wander in
[22:16] <valorie> and I've met most of the devels -- none of them bite (at least they don't bite users)
[22:16] <valorie> :-)
[22:19] <Thr0r> ok - yes - but now answer.. And I am in a bit of a crosspoint now.. Re-istall or contunue to try. I will ask in kde now so lets see. It is kde afterall..
[22:41] <viewer|91> what is the password for Kubuntu 18.04.2 LTS live distro?
[22:52] <OerHeks> user kubuntu pass empty
[23:00] <viewer|18> what is default username and password for kubuntu 18.04.2 LTS live distro?
[23:00] <valorie> hit return, I believe
[23:01] <viewer|18> I left blank and clicked on login but didn't work.
[23:01] <OerHeks> user kubuntu pass empty
[23:03] <viewer|18> Don't understand why they have a password for live distro.
[23:03] <viewer|18> Do you select different user to login?
[23:11] <OerHeks> grinn, there is no password today in live sessions


[07:54] <tbarat> is there anybody?
[08:01] <tbarat> I have a dev question
[08:38] <tbarat> how can I start the syncdeamon?
[08:39] <JamesTait> Oyez! Oyez! Good morning all and happy Town Crier Day! :-D
[10:35] <karni> Who can tell tbarat where we had something documented about sending files from a web form to someone's U1 account?
[10:35] <karni> Or was that Stuart's L. blog?
[10:37] <davmor2> karni: aq did a few blog posts about u1 so it could of been there
[10:39] <karni> davmor2: tnx
[10:39] <karni> tbarat: you could find something on this blog regarding uploading files via web form http://www.kryogenix.org/code/
[10:40] <karni> tbarat: I can't find it now. If not there, maybe check out Google+ of Stuart Langridge
[13:42] <kirkland> howdy!  could someone help enable 2FA on my U1 account?
[13:44] <davmor2> kirkland: sorry how do you mean?
[13:44] <beuno> davmor2, he's coming back to Canonical  \o/
[13:45] <beuno> kirkland, have you hopped on the internal IRC network yet?
[13:45] <kirkland> beuno: not yet
[13:45] <davmor2> kirkland: YAY!!!!!!!!!!
[13:45] <kirkland> davmor2: ;-)
[13:46] <kirkland> beuno: I'm logged into the u1 web page, editing my account, but I don't see a tab for "Authentication Devices", as per the instructions
[13:46] <davmor2> kirkland: is it not just devices listed on the main page
[13:47] <kirkland> davmor2: what are you calling "main page"?  url?
[13:47] <davmor2> kirkland: https://login.ubuntu.com/
[13:49] <davmor2> kirkland: http://ubuntuone.com/5LU2dHsZGENuRUlWyxzC28 top left Authentication Devices
[13:49] <davmor2> kirkland: there may need to be a switch flicked possibly
[13:49] <kirkland> davmor2: yeah, that's what I'm saying -- that tab doesn't exist for me
[13:50] <beuno> kirkland, let me poke around the admin for a minute
[13:51] <kirkland> beuno: it seems like I've hit something like this once or twice before with U1
[13:51] <kirkland> beuno: I think maybe it's because I had a very early account, before U1 was production?
[13:52] <beuno> kirkland, I think you've now hit all the possible edge cases there may be, but should be easy to solve
[13:54] <beuno> kirkland, how about now?
[17:21] <troyready> Anyone know where Ubuntu One settings are stored? I'm trying to script some preference changes (specifically looking to disable notifications, but possibly other changes as well), but I can't figure out if it's in dconf, gconf, .config, etc?
[17:21] <troyready> (just posted this in #ubuntu as well -- sorry for spamming; I realized afterward that it might make more sense here)
[17:22] <beuno> dobey or alecu would know, troyready
[17:25] <dobey> troyready: they are stored in a ini-style file. the file is ~/.config/ubuntuone/syncdaemon.conf and gets created when you change any settings away from the defaults
[17:26] <troyready> Ah, perfect, thanks!
[17:26] <troyready> Feeling very *doh!* -- should have realized that the folder was just empty because I hadn't changed any settings yet
[17:30] <dobey> troyready: also, ubutnuone-syncdaemon has a dbus interface for changing config options. so you could just call it instead
[17:37] <troyready> Ah, very cool, thanks!


[06:46] <mup> Bug #1776604 opened: default DNS IP for node from unexpected interface (not always first interface or same network) <sts> <MAAS:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1776604>
[06:58] <tosaraja_> This might be a Ubuntu related question more, but just wondering if anyone has stumbled upon this kind of problem. We did a do-release-upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04 that upgraded MAAS. Now MAAS's web page doesn't open. netstat says that 5240 port is listened to, and I can open it with lynx locally and I receive MAAS's web page. But from outside it doesn't work. Firewall has been disabled as well. Anyone else had this when upgrading?
[08:34] <BlackDex> is maas 2.4 going to be released to 16.04?
[08:37] <mup> Bug #1776619 opened: Forms should use vanilla validation classes <ui> <MAAS:Triaged by deadlight> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1776619>
[18:53] <mup> Bug #1776741 opened: [2.4, UI] When a non-Ubuntu OS is selected as the default operating system OS, the action to 'deploy' doesn't provide kernel option when changing to Ubuntu <MAAS:Triaged> <MAAS 2.4:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1776741>