[00:02] <Rodents210> I have Xubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon, and it won't detect my hard drive at all during installation.
[00:03] <Mark76> Odd
[00:03] <Rodents210> I've read that this happens, and it said to use the alternate install disk. That doesn't detect it either.
[00:04] <Mark76> Weird
[00:04] <Rodents210> My HDD is a Western Digital WD Caviar 205AA
[00:05] <Mark76> Hello Clare!
[00:06] <clare> Mark76: hi
[00:07] <Rodents210> Is anyone here capable of advising me with my problem?
[00:07] <Mark76> Erm
[00:07] <Mark76> It sounds like a tricky one Rod
[00:08] <Rodents210> So I've heard. Gateway told me I need to repartition it with external software (he claimed to use Linux), and the install disk asked me to use drivers but none listed were correct
[00:08] <Rodents210> the Gateway rep claimed drivers for my HDD don't exist
[00:08] <Rodents210> that it should just work
[00:09] <Mark76> I had a WD 300 that just stopped working
[00:09] <Mark76> I replaced it with a MAxtor
[00:10] <Rodents210> Nah, the HDD works. I just formatted it from Windows the other day
[00:10] <Rodents210> yes
[00:10] <Rodents210> whoops, wrong window, sorry
[00:10] <Mark76> Lol
[00:11] <Mark76> I'd have thought the hard drive was the one thing that any OS would be virtually bulletproof on
[00:12] <Rodents210> And me as well, but evidently not.
[00:12] <Rodents210> It isn't even SATA. If it were, I'd understand.
[00:13] <Mark76> Hmm
[00:13] <illu45> Hm... could someone help me out with installing themes?
[00:13] <Mark76> What happens?
[00:13] <Mark76> Themes?
[00:14] <illu45> Well, I've extracted the files to /usr/share/themes, and /home/*username*/themes (with my username in place of the placeholder), and they show up in the User Interface settings, but not the window manager settings. Perhaps I've downloaded the wrong file, though
[00:15] <prak> does anyone know how to screen-capture in xubuntu?
[00:15] <Rodents210> Prn Scrn Sys Rq on your keyboard, paste into an imaging software
[00:15] <Rodents210> SHOULD work
[00:16] <prak> Rodens210: that's what i did, but didn't work
[00:16] <hollunder_> maybe you need an app for that? Not sure, I'm glad it doesn't just work with print :)
[00:16] <Rodents210> Hm, I don't know then.
[00:17] <prak> hollunder_: i'm trying to screen-capture a problem that i have with the display
[00:17] <MatBoy> damn gutsy is kewl
[00:17] <MatBoy> oops, wow :)
[00:17] <hollunder_> I'd try an app, pretty sure there is some
[00:17] <Rodents210> if it's a problem with your monitor or possibly even with your GPU, it will probably come out right and others won't see a problem...
[00:18] <prak> Rodents210: i'm using an integrated gpu on my laptop
[00:18] <prak> that problem didn't show up on Kubuntu 7.04
[00:19] <Mark76>  Have you tried Add New Item: Screenshot, Prak?
[00:19] <Rodents210> Yeah but regardless it could be your GPU or monitor unless it's a very specific issue
[00:19] <prak> Mark76: how would i do that?
[00:20] <Mark76> Do you have a panel, Prak?
[00:20] <prak> Mark76: you mean the panel with the window buttons?
[00:20] <Mark76> Yes
[00:20] <Mark76> Right click on it
[00:21] <Mark76> Near the bottom of the pop up menu is an Add New Items option
[00:21] <Mark76> Item
[00:21] <Mark76> Click on that and a menu will pop up in a new window
[00:21] <Mark76> Scroll down
[00:23] <Mark76> Found it yet?
[00:23] <prak> Mark76: got a screen capture now
[00:23] <Mark76> YAY! :D
[00:23] <prak> does http://imagebin.ca/view/yZ7vzM.html look anything wrong to you?
[00:24] <prak> there's seems to be a problem with displaying terminal properly
[00:24] <prak> that i didn't experience with kubuntu before
[00:24] <Rodents210> I don't see anything different than what I have
[00:24] <Mark76> Xubuntu, surely?
[00:25] <prak> yes
[00:25] <prak> that's xubuntu
[00:25] <Rodents210> what exactly are you referring to
[00:25] <prak> the terminal window's display glitch
[00:25] <prak> maybe that's only on my computer
[00:25] <Rodents210> it looks completely normal to me
[00:26] <Rodents210> what is wrong with it in yours
[00:26] <Mark76> I just added the weather widget to my panel :D
[00:27] <prak> Rodents210: I just can't see anything on the right side of the terminal window (it looks very blurred)
[00:27] <prak> doesn't seem to happen with anything else
[00:27] <Rodents210> do you have a CRT monitor
[00:27] <prak> it's on a laptop
[00:27] <Rodents210> oh
[00:27] <Rodents210> I forgot
[00:28] <Rodents210> *stupid*
[00:28] <Rodents210> well like I expected, it doesn't show a problem
[00:28] <Rodents210> if you view your own screenshot, does it look wrong there
[00:28] <prak> yes
[00:28] <Rodents210> hm
[00:29] <Rodents210> like I said nothing looks wrong here
[00:29] <Mark76> I like the crap png, Prak
[00:29] <prak> Mark76: huh?
[00:30] <Mark76> Sorry, I'm looking at your other images
[00:30] <prak> prak: what other images?
[00:30] <Mark76> Good God, you're 5!
[00:31] <Rodents210> he IS
[00:31] <Mark76> There's a sidebar on the page your link leads to with thumbnails of other pictures on, Prak
[00:32] <prak> Mark76: on the left?
[00:32] <prak> those ain't mine
[00:32] <Mark76> Yes
[00:32] <Mark76> Oh
[00:32] <Mark76> Odd
[00:32] <prak> it's an imagebin site
[00:32] <Mark76> Ah
[00:33] <prak> if i can't solve that problem, i may have to go back to ubuntu or kubuntu
[00:34] <Mark76> Which problem?
[00:34] <Mark76> The terminal one?
[00:34] <prak> the problem with the display glitch with terminal
[00:34] <Mark76> Ah
[00:34] <Mark76> I can't see any glitch
[00:34] <Rodents210> it's either your display or GPU
[00:35] <prak> problem with xubuntu communicating properly with my gpu?
[00:35] <Rodents210> no
[00:35] <prak> b/c i don't see any problems with my display when i booted windows
[00:35] <Rodents210> problem with the GPU communicating with the display
[00:35] <prak> i don't see that problem when i used windows
[00:35] <Rodents210> it's obviously coming from your processor correctly, and it isn't an OS glitch, otherwise the image would show it to us
[00:35] <prak> or kubuntu before i performed the version upgrade
[00:36] <Mark76> I need to go to bed
[00:36] <prak> if it's the gpu glitch, that problem should reappear when i boot to windows
[00:36] <Mark76> Night all
[00:36] <Rodents210> I realize all that but that's the only thing it can mean
[00:37] <prak> i'll try installing ubuntu or kubuntu and see if this problem reappears
[00:37] <prak> it looks like it's exclusive to xubuntu
[00:38] <MatBoy> why does the thunderbird logo changes so much ?
[00:38] <MatBoy> is this an XFCE thing, or really Mozilla ?
[00:39] <Rodents210> what does it change to
[00:39] <Rodents210> just different thunderbird icons
[00:40] <MatBoy> yep
[00:40] <MatBoy> now I have a poststamp again on Gutsy
[00:41] <Rodents210> robably a glitch
[00:42] <Rodents210> Mine has never changed
[00:43] <MatBoy> ok
[00:43] <MatBoy> I thought, let me ask :)
[00:43] <MatBoy> byw Gutsy is much faster than Feisty in some strange way
[00:52] <Rodents210> still no ideas how to take care of my issue, guys?
[01:04] <hollunder_> that menu really confuses me..
[01:12] <hollunder_> gnargl... got it, stupid stuff...
[01:30] <hollunder_> uhm, where are those .desktop files located?
[01:58] <edsiper> hey guys, I've installed xubuntu but it never ask me for a user account :/
[02:01] <crabgrass> is there any way to make rightclick-on-desktop menus tear-off, like gimp's?
[02:31] <user1> i think the mount thing in thunar is broke
[02:31] <user1> i click my pendrive and thunar freezes
[02:33] <Caithness> aah, this channel moves at a pace i'm more familiar with
[02:34] <user1> sup Caithness
[02:34] <Caithness> i've got a potentially amusing problem
[02:35] <Caithness> i installed xubuntu on a machine that already had a debian install on it, with a separate /home partition
[02:35] <Caithness> and used the same /home partition for xubuntu
[02:36] <Caithness> to my surprise, the xfce panel was set up the way debian has it by default, and not ubuntu's default
[02:36] <Caithness> is there a quick and easy way to switch it to the ubuntu default?
[02:37] <R[a]ndom> ah. yeah the configs are kept in your home folder
[02:38] <R[a]ndom> if you want everything back to the default, you could delete the config folder
[02:40] <Caithness> hmm
[02:40] <Caithness> and then depending on which disto i've booted into, it will create its own defaults again?
[02:40] <Caithness> good idea
[02:40] <Caithness> where does xfce panel keep its config?
[02:44] <Caithness> /usr/lib?
[02:44] <Caithness> nope, that's just got a plugin
[02:49] <Caithness> ah, there it is
[02:50] <Caithness> ~/.config/xfce4
[03:04] <Caithness> lol, i just did an "end process" on xfce4-panel
[03:05] <Caithness> is there any way for me to start it again short of logging out?
[03:09] <wbadger> Caithness, alt+f2?
[03:10] <Caithness> ah, nice
[03:10] <Caithness> thanks
[03:10] <wbadger> np
[03:12] <graelb> Is anyone having problems with 7.10, with the network configuration setting the address of the router as a dns server?
[03:18] <Caithness> hmm, i'm registered with nickserv on this server?
[03:18] <Caithness> oh, it's freenode
[03:19] <Caithness> okay, i deleted ~/.config/xfce4, and it worked to bring back the default settings
[03:19] <Caithness> does it matter that i also deleted xfce4-session in the same directory?
[03:21] <graelb> I think xfce-session just stores the info for saved sessions irrc
[03:22] <graelb> but don't quote me there
[03:22] <graelb> Is everything running correctly? lol
[03:22] <Caithness> as far as i can tell
[03:23] <Caithness> when i've got a different partition for /home, are applications stored in the root partition or the home partition?
[03:28] <graelb> I think they're stored in the root partition, i had an issue with that before as well
[03:28] <graelb> anything in the /home and on are stored on the /home directory
[03:28] <graelb> er
[03:28] <graelb> partition
[03:30] <CLIdiot> I'm trying to launch my xubuntu desktop as an x11 window on my remote mac
[03:30] <CLIdiot> what command do I use to launch the desktop session?
[03:36] <graelb> _I_ got a message from me
[03:36] <graelb> i don't know why you wouldn't
[03:45] <Caithness> dang, i'm going to have to do some partition resizing then
[03:45] <Caithness> i only gave xubuntu 3 GB
[03:45] <Caithness> and it said it needed a minimum of 2
[03:49] <graelb> Yeah, i'm not sure though, you might try getting a second opinion
[03:49] <graelb> you might be able to change where it automatically puts the programs and stuff you download with synaptic
[04:08] <Caithness> has anybody had success sharing over nfs or smb to a mac?
[04:12] <Caithness> and can thunar browse smb shares?
[04:26] <Caithness> when i click on the smb share in Finder's network view, it tells me "the alias could not be opened because the original item cannot be found"
[04:27] <Caithness> when i do a command-k and try to connect directly to smb://<computer name> it tells me the login or password is incorrect
[04:29] <Caithness> same thing when i connect to the IP address
[06:28] <graelb> Anyone know anything about not being able to see my TTY's
[06:28] <graelb> ?
[06:42] <ThePub> graelb: does X work fine though?
[06:42] <graelb> Yep
[06:42] <graelb> and when i do go to one of the tty's it kind of cycles through colors
[06:43] <graelb> red, white green, grey with little dots, a darker form, to black, then back to red after a while
[06:43] <ThePub> Just going to take a stab here, but you're using an unsupported console vga format.  Did you specify a vga= line?
[06:43] <graelb> _I_ didn't... i dunno if it's currently set that way though... would that be in here?
[06:43] <graelb> http://pastebin.com/d468ff058
[06:44] <ThePub> it'd be a grub setting, usually used to get something greater than 80x24 text consoles :)
[06:44] <ThePub> anyhow, like I said, it's just a stab :)  bbiab, need to boot into a new kernel.
[07:27] <ThePub> sucks being on wireless and needing to recompile 3rd party software to get back online :)
[08:51] <EKLY> can someone here please tell me if installing 6.06 or 7.10 be better on a old machine? cause each time i try to run 7.10 installation it crashes after loading the kernal. something about the bios older than 2000 appears
[09:05] <scriptdevil> i upgraded to gutsy without a glitchg
[09:05] <scriptdevil> :d
[10:15] <Einsidler> hi
[10:33] <Einsidler> does anyone in here know the username/password to log into the xubuntu 7.10 live cd?
[10:42] <TheSheep> Einsidler: it doesn't ask for usernam and password
[10:43] <Einsidler> it did here, its come up with a login screen
[10:43] <Einsidler> i tried the usual suspect like 'ubuntu' and 'live' but nothing's working
[10:54] <Einsidler> ah, crud
[10:54] <Einsidler> worked fine in qemu on my fedora laptop, but this old computer keeps giving me a login screen
[10:59] <MatBoy> can it be true when I say that Gutsy is faster than Feisty ?
[11:01] <Einsidler> off the top of my head i'd say that might be due to xubuntu gutsy's faster theme engine
[11:02] <Einsidler> as well as general improvements might let it run faster
[11:05] <MatBoy> yep can be, I was using Feisty with Compiz before
[11:06] <Einsidler> yeh, compiz would make it run slower, thats why i turned beryl off on my laptop
[11:15] <wers> I want my Fn+F4 and Fn+F5 to work as volume control shortcuts the way they work in KDE and GNOME. How do I do it?
[11:20] <Einsidler> are those volume up volume down keys media keys built into your keyboard?
[11:21] <wers> those keys are the blue "function keys"
[11:22] <wers> I think, yeah.. they're built in
[11:22] <Einsidler> sounds like the same as the ones on my laptop
[11:22] <wers> the shortcuts work in windows too
[11:23] <Einsidler> is it a laptop or  a keyboard in a normal box computer?
[11:24] <wers> laptop
[11:24] <Einsidler> not an acer aspire is it?
[11:24] <wers> nope.. benq joybook
[11:24] <wers> but I think, it's similar to acer aspire's
[11:25] <Einsidler> http://www.fwconsult.com/acer-install/laptop-install.html helped me get them working on my laptop, its for gentoo but the instructions worked in fedora
[11:25] <Einsidler> might be a good place to start looking
[11:26] <Einsidler> also something called linEAK might work, as recommended in this thread i found googling http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32689
[11:27] <wers> ok.. thanks
[11:27] <wers> :)
[11:29] <wers> brb
[11:35] <crayner> hello
[11:35] <Einsidler> hi
[11:35] <crayner> could anyone help me?
[11:35] <Einsidler> I don't currently use xubuntu (came here with install probs) but I might be able to help
[11:36] <Einsidler> whats the problem?
[11:36] <crayner> an error occured installing the kernel package kernel-generic
[11:36] <crayner> during the install
[11:36] <Einsidler> damn, have you tried restarting the install? what media are you installing from?
[11:36] <crayner> cd
[11:36] <crayner> yep
[11:37] <crayner> we changed media
[11:37] <crayner> to cd rw
[11:38] <Einsidler> hmm, I've heard of problems booting from rewritables, that might be the problem, but its unlikely
[11:39] <crayner> ok
[11:39] <crayner>
[11:39] <crayner> #ubuntu-au
[11:39] <Einsidler> did you run any checksums to make sure the iso downloaded properly? oh, and you didn't run out of partition space or something?
[11:39] <crayner> hmmm
[11:39] <crayner> checksums were failing
[11:39] <crayner> yeah
[11:39] <crayner> hold on
[11:39] <crayner> on the cd version
[11:40] <crayner> ill see about the cd rw version
[11:40] <Einsidler> you might have to redownload it, <sarcasm>oh what a great way to use bandwidth</sarcasm>
[11:40] <crayner> lol dw
[11:40] <crayner> its unmetered
[11:41] <Einsidler> lol
[11:42] <crayner> hmm
[11:42] <crayner> yeah looking likes its a dodgy image
[12:02] <wers> what commands do adjust the volume in xfce?
[12:03] <vinze> xfce4-mixer does not take any arguments, can't you do it graphically?
[12:05] <wers> I am trying set a keyboard shortcut fo increasing and decreasing the volume
[12:05] <wers> I found the command before. Just don't remember what it is
[12:05] <vinze> Was it an xfce-specific command?
[12:06] <wers> yep vinze
[12:07] <vinze> The xf* commands do not seem to have one to adjust the volume other than xfce4-mixer
[12:08] <nikolam> I have a question about mixer
[12:08] <nikolam> Why there is no slider for audio cd
[12:10] <nikolam> Also totem starts and dies when i insert audio cd
[12:10] <keitherz> hey
[12:11] <keitherz> what xserver does xubuntu use?
[12:11] <nikolam> xfree 7.2
[12:11] <keitherz> awwww
[12:11] <keitherz> hmm
[12:11] <keitherz> when i installed GRUB it didn't detected my windos OS
[12:12] <keitherz> windows*
[12:13] <nikolam> Do you use xubuntu or ubuntu?
[12:13] <keitherz> xubuntu
[12:13] <keitherz> did i do something wrong during the installation
[12:14] <nikolam> You can add in grub options to boot windblows
[12:14] <nikolam> here at me it added itself
[12:14] <keitherz> ???
[12:14] <keitherz> my windows isnt listed in the boot selection menu
[12:15] <nikolam> Well add it
[12:15] <nikolam> I will paste you my settings just wait a bit
[12:15] <keitherz> ok tnx
[12:15] <nikolam> My Thunar is doing some CRAZY LAGS
[12:16] <keitherz> its just im not sure im afraid if i go something wrong
[12:16] <keitherz> could you post your whole menu.lst
[12:17] <keitherz> could compiz-fuzion run in xubuntu
[12:17] <vinze> Yeah
[12:17] <keitherz> how?
[12:17] <vinze> Wait I'll look it up
[12:17] <keitherz> its searching for Xgl
[12:17] <keitherz> nikolam you finished pasting
[12:18] <nikolam> oh its SO boring when comuter becomes so unresponsive beacouse of something so stupit as 3d windows
[12:18] <nikolam> keitherz: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41675/
[12:18] <nikolam> This is default at me
[12:19] <nikolam> settings for disks are in /boot/grup/device.map
[12:19] <nikolam> boot list and settings are in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:20] <keitherz> should i edit my device.map
[12:20] <vinze> keitherz, http://forlong.blogage.de/article/2007/8/29/How-to-install-Compiz-Fusion-on-Ubuntu-Feisty---tutorial-for-advanced-andor-KDE-as-well-as-Xfce-users
[12:20] <keitherz> what should i put, my windows is on partition 5
[12:20] <vinze> Which version of Xubuntu do you use?
[12:21] <keitherz> should i put (hd0,4)
[12:21] <nikolam> open device.map
[12:21] <keitherz> gusty
[12:21] <vinze> OK, then instead of sudo su -c 'echo deb http://ppa.dogfood.launchpad.net/amaranth/ubuntu feisty main >> /etc/apt/sources.list'
[12:21] <vinze> You should do sudo su -c 'echo deb http://ppa.dogfood.launchpad.net/amaranth/ubuntu gutsy main >> /etc/apt/sources.list'
[12:21] <vinze> Then it *should* work, I haven't tested it though
[12:21] <nikolam> keitherz: df will tell you where is what
[12:22] <keitherz> df?
[12:22] <nikolam> keitherz: Or sudo fdisk <device>
[12:22] <nikolam> keitherz: then p option
[12:23] <nikolam> see what is mapping in device map.
[12:23] <nikolam> And then put it in menu.lst
[12:23] <keitherz> unable to open when i do that fdisk thigy
[12:24] <keitherz> my device.map
[12:24] <keitherz> (hd0)	/dev/hda
[12:24] <nikolam> sudo fdisk /dev/sda or sudo fdisk /dev/hda
[12:25] <nikolam> then p
[12:25] <keitherz> should i unmount
[12:26] <keitherz> still unable
[12:26] <nikolam> my windblows is on second partition so it is root		(hd0,1)
[12:26] <keitherz> hah maybe im right
[12:26] <nikolam> on what partition is your windblows?
[12:26] <keitherz> (hd0,4
[12:26] <keitherz> (hd0,4)
[12:26] <keitherz> 5
[12:26] <keitherz> 5th partition
[12:26] <nikolam> wait a sec. Partitions are numbed from 0
[12:26] <nikolam> thats ok
[12:26] <nikolam> so windoblows is on hda5
[12:27] <nikolam> if that is so, root		(hd0,4)
[12:27] <keitherz> so i dont need to check with fdisk
[12:27] <nikolam> You need to have just one windblows option, i have two windblows
[12:28] <nikolam> no man
[12:28] <nikolam> fdisk is just to see info
[12:28] <nikolam> save that menu.lst
[12:28] <keitherz> ill just not use fdisk
[12:28] <nikolam> and happy dual boot
[12:29] <nikolam> you can paste your menu.lst to see what was done
[12:29] <keitherz> darn i still have to terminal to sudo my text editor
[12:29] <nikolam> no, you can use ALT+F2 gksu mousepad /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:30] <keitherz> gksu
[12:30] <keitherz> ive seen that before but i dont know whats that for
[12:30] <nikolam> same as sudo
[12:30] <nikolam> But graphics login
[12:31] <MaxFrames> hello
[12:31] <nikolam> hi
[12:31] <MaxFrames> is there, in xubuntu, a procedure similar to windows' to prepare usb drives for removal?
[12:32] <MaxFrames> or is it safe to just pull out the usb drive?
[12:32] <nikolam> umount
[12:32] <nikolam> you can add mount devices to xfce panel
[12:32] <MaxFrames> right click=>unmount volume: is this the same as umount?
[12:32] <nikolam> and umount graphically
[12:32] <nikolam> yes.
[12:32] <MaxFrames> ok thanks
[12:33] <MaxFrames> just installed gusty... looks great
[12:33] <keitherz> whats sda
[12:33] <keitherz> im only on hda
[12:33] <vinze> MaxFrames, it does, doesn't it?
[12:33] <vinze> I'm sold :)
[12:33] <nikolam> sda is label for scsi devices . But lately it is used for ide and sata devices
[12:34] <MaxFrames> and no problem whatsoever in upgrading from feisty, as opposed to the 6.10=>7.04 upgrade which was a pain for me
[12:34] <nikolam> I hope I will never need to upgrade i like a fresh start
[12:34] <keitherz> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41676/
[12:35] <nikolam> i think it is ok
[12:35] <keitherz> nikolam are you still on fiesty
[12:35] <MaxFrames> and this thing runs well on PIII 733/128 MB RAM/10 GB HD... take it, Bill.
[12:35] <vinze> :D
[12:35] <nikolam> NOW i am on 7.10 but fiesty is still my default
[12:36] <nikolam> Need to force myself to migrate data
[12:36] <MaxFrames> i'm getting more and more into the *ubuntu world....way to go mr. shuttleworth (first african into space)
[12:36] <nikolam> MaxFrames: You run that machine now? :)
[12:36] <MaxFrames> yep :)
[12:36] <nikolam> Niice :)
[12:37] <nikolam> But ram is a bit tight, try 256
[12:37] <keitherz> yah
[12:37] <keitherz> im on 256
[12:37] <nikolam> I upgraded myself from p3-733/384Mb to x2 amd 2G i will neve change xubuntu
[12:38] <nikolam> it is so nice when almost everyone can use os
[12:38]  * vinze likes sending OpenDocument documents to friends who use Windows :P
[12:39] <nikolam> Haha that is right vinze> They can always download and install windblows OOo
[12:39] <h3sp4wn> vinze: Why ? seems pointless to me
[12:39] <MaxFrames> nikolam: this is just a test system, and besides that, it only takes sdram with a max of 128 MBx2 size :)
[12:39] <nikolam> Windows Ooo works fine on windblows
[12:39] <vinze> h3sp4wn, because it's open
[12:39] <MaxFrames> right now it's running 2x64 MB :)
[12:40] <vinze> When people send them a PDF they'll also download Adobe Reader, so why not an OpenDocument plugin?
[12:40] <nikolam> Yes :) vinze have a point
[12:40] <nikolam> Not a plugin, they should use free and open OOo
[12:40] <vinze> And since OpenDocument is an open format, it is easier for their system to support it than it is for mine to support e.g. .doc files
[12:40] <vinze> nikolam, yeah, but they don't give a (...) :P
[12:41] <nikolam> vinze that is true
[12:41] <nikolam> Well, "You can install Ooo to use this document" download it free from... have a nice day"
[12:41] <nikolam> :)
[12:42] <vinze> Yeah, I just say "either download this plugin from Sun or download OO.o here"
[12:42] <vinze> Or perhaps just Abiword or something
[12:42] <nikolam> I myself Uset intentionaly Ooo and Semonkey and gaim on Windblows
[12:42] <h3sp4wn> nikolam: Ooo is garbage - staroffice is alot better
[12:42] <nikolam> I thanfered to linux wit a ease
[12:42] <vinze> StarOffice is not open source
[12:42] <h3sp4wn> So what its free as in beer for solaris
[12:42] <nikolam> h3sp4wn: I dont despute, How much is it?
[12:42] <h3sp4wn> nikolam: free (for solaris express)
[12:43] <vinze> h3sp4wn, yeah, but I care... I'll prefer open source when both are suitable
[12:43] <nikolam> I think I will stick to multi platform solutions
[12:43] <h3sp4wn> nikolam: You can have it for linux if you pay - or completely free (as in beer) for windows through google
[12:43] <nikolam> h3sp4wn: But with Ooo I can always say to windblows user: Download for free
[12:44] <h3sp4wn> nikolam: same with staroffice
[12:44] <nikolam> h3sp4wn: I will check it. BUT it IS interestin that only for Linux I have to pay :>
[12:44] <h3sp4wn> http://pack.google.com/intl/en/pack_installer.html?hl=en&gl=us
[12:44] <vinze> But then I can also say "here's a .doc, open it with MS Word" if I don't care about openness
[12:44] <nikolam> Solaris is doing its little war on linux lately
[12:45] <nikolam> I dont like sun commertials against linux..
[12:45] <nikolam> But is opensolaris goes to glp3 thing will change..
[12:45] <h3sp4wn> nikolam: never seen one - I use both though
[12:45] <MaxFrames> correction: "here is a .doc, open it with word viewer - or even with wordpad.exe" ;)
[12:46] <vinze> Yeah whatever :P
[12:46] <h3sp4wn> I use doccat the most
[12:46] <nikolam> In every commercial, they are saying solaris vs linux this and that
[12:46] <h3sp4wn> sorry catdoc
[12:46] <h3sp4wn> (through lesspipe)
[12:46] <vinze> By the way, what do you people think of how Xubuntu.org looks atm?
[12:47] <nikolam> Noooo
[12:47] <nikolam> Like sinking ship
[12:47] <vinze> lol :P
[12:47] <MaxFrames> rotfl
[12:48] <MaxFrames> didn't notice that
[12:48] <MaxFrames> it really looks like it's sinking
[12:48] <vinze> You could also think of it as something rising up
[12:48] <vinze> :P
[12:48] <nikolam> No it looks more like sinking :)
[12:48] <vinze> xD
[12:48]  * TheSheep whistles the titanic theme
[12:49] <vinze> :)
[12:49] <nikolam> aaah I dont see xubuntu like sinking i want it to look like brand new.
[12:49] <vinze> You can create one :)
[12:49] <vinze> A new graphic
[12:49] <TheSheep> it looks very good
[12:50] <nikolam> Like good looking sinking ship
[12:50] <TheSheep> and it explains the version number in an excellent way
[12:50] <vinze> TheSheep, that was stolen from Ubuntu :P
[12:51] <nikolam> second picture could have something on the screen
[12:51] <vinze> Could do that, any suggestions?
[12:51] <vinze> e.g. a screenshot from http://xubuntu.org/tour
[12:52] <TheSheep> a smiling muppet
[12:52] <TheSheep> manah manah
[12:52] <vinze> xD
[12:52] <nikolam> maybe some communication apps running
[12:53] <vinze> That's an idea...
[12:53] <nikolam> browser, pidgin and something else
[12:53]  * vinze starts VirtualBox
[12:53] <TheSheep> nmap, wireshark
[12:53] <MaxFrames> or a penguin eating steve ballmer
[12:53] <vinze> :P
[12:53] <TheSheep> mtr, tcpdump
[12:53] <eix> I have had many troubles at installing xubuntu on a TravelMate 210T (64MB of ram), now I have a problem with the kernel:
[12:53] <nikolam> 3 windows: miltimedia, browser and pidgin
[12:54]  * vinze hopes his computer will hold on with Bluefish, Firefox, gFTP, gtk-gnutella, Xchat, BitTornado, Thunar and now VirtualBox opened
[12:54] <vinze> Oh, and Gimp
[12:54] <TheSheep> vinze: make a screenshot of firefox showing a the site
[12:54] <nikolam> vinze: How much ram?
[12:54] <eix> it goes into kernel panic because it cannot mount the root= parameter
[12:54] <vinze> Yeah the site or the desktop guide?
[12:54] <TheSheep> vinze: with a screenshot of firefox showing the site
[12:54] <TheSheep> vinze: with a screenshot of firefox showing the site
[12:54] <TheSheep> vinze: with a screenshot of firefox showing the site
[12:54] <TheSheep> etc.
[12:54] <vinze> nikolam, 512 MB
[12:55] <MaxFrames> now, 64 MB really sounds like too few
[12:55] <eix> should the kernel be able to mount a reiserfs partition?
[12:55] <eix> MaxFrames: I managed to install and configure everything - except network
[12:55] <eix> (there's no network with this laptop)
[12:55] <vinze> ...oh, and Rhythmbox too
[12:55] <vinze> Geez I've opened a lot :P
[12:55] <nikolam> eix: is it alternate cd you are trying to install from?
[12:56] <TheSheep> vinze: use mpd :)
[12:56] <vinze> :P
[12:56] <vinze> I think I'll manage ;-)
[12:56] <MaxFrames> eiz: but does it run acceptably fast?
[12:57] <eix> MaxFrames: if win2000 does, Xubuntu must
[12:57] <MaxFrames> win2000 doesn't :D
[12:57] <eix> nikolam: yes
[12:57] <eix> MaxFrames: it works reasonably
[12:57] <MaxFrames> nice :)
[12:57] <MaxFrames> 128 here :)
[12:57] <eix> I have told the owner to upgrade his ram
[12:58] <eix> I do have a vmlinuz* file in /boot
[12:58] <nanonyme> eix, you don't happen to have a gentoo? ;)
[12:58] <eix> now I am running the grub commandline
[12:58] <eix> nanonyme: on my laptop, not on all laptops
[12:58]  * MaxFrames goes to lunch.... bye bye
[12:59] <nanonyme> eix, just wondered about the eix
[12:59] <eix> eheh
[12:59] <vinze> Bye MaxFrames
[12:59] <eix> I'd like to put gentoo there..but the end-user is a noob
[12:59] <keitherz> wow i have lot of terminals opened
[12:59] <vinze> MaxFrames, which timezone are you in? :)
[12:59] <vinze> Crap
[12:59] <eix> I was saying: I have a vmlinuz* file in /boot
[12:59] <eix> so how can I boot it?
[12:59] <eix> kernel /boot/vmlinuz* root=/dev/hda2 ?
[13:00] <eix> in /dev/hda2 there is the linux partition
[13:00] <eix> (/dev/hda1 is windoze)
[13:00] <eix> GRUB is installed correctly but there must be something wrong because the kernel cannot mount the filesystem
[13:00] <eix> maybe because I used reiserfs?
[13:01] <nikolam> Hey!
[13:01] <nikolam> Where are hardware requirements on xubuntu org??
[13:02] <vinze> xubuntu.org/get?
[13:02] <nikolam> Its too Not obious
[13:02] <nikolam> Should be on top of the page
[13:03] <vinze> Well, I'm not sure whether  theya lso are correct...
[13:03] <eix> any idea if the generic kernel in 2.6.20 (alternate) contains the reiserfs module?
[13:03] <eix> how can I force the kernel to load it?
[13:04] <eix> seems like it cannot mount the partition
[13:04] <nikolam> Do you install 7.04 or 7.10 xubuntu?
[13:04] <eix> 7.04
[13:05] <eix> the kernel panics because "VFS cannot mount fs partition"
[13:05] <eix> like if /dev was not populated..
[13:05] <keitherz> errrr
[13:05] <nikolam> hm.. Try to boot from cd and choose repair
[13:05] <keitherz> i hate this
[13:05] <eix> this is a vmlinuz
[13:06] <eix> keitherz: what?
[13:06] <nikolam> Then modprobe reiserfs
[13:06] <keitherz> im using regex compiz*
[13:06] <keitherz> then at the end
[13:06] <nikolam> mount it
[13:06] <eix> nikolam: I already did that
[13:06] <keitherz> E: Couldn't find package compiz*
[13:06] <nikolam> ahh
[13:06] <eix> nikolam: it can be mounted perfectly
[13:07] <nikolam> hmm so you think default kernel does not have reiserfs
[13:07] <eix> nikolam: is it possible?
[13:07] <nikolam> maybe some boot argument in menu.lst?
[13:07] <eix> nikolam: I am confused because I have always used initramfs kernels
[13:07] <nikolam> I somehow think hihly unlikely but I don`t know
[13:07] <eix> nikolam: there's to say that grub perfectly mounts it
[13:08] <nikolam> look at those boot arguments
[13:08] <nikolam> maybe it needs some to activate reiserfs
[13:08] <eix> the error says: "please append a correct root="
[13:08] <eix> but root=UID... was written by the xubuntu installer!
[13:09] <nikolam> hmm, maybe partition order is changed?
[13:09] <eix> I did not
[13:09] <nikolam> it displays it when booting from cd or booting fom hd?
[13:09] <eix> nikolam: when booting through grub
[13:09] <eix> (from hd)
[13:10] <nikolam> maybe you should give a try 7.10 alternate
[13:10] <nikolam> try to edit manu.lst
[13:10] <eix> and what should I put there?
[13:10] <nikolam> paste your menu.lst
[13:10] <nikolam> on pastebin
[13:11] <nikolam> I would try 7.10 anyway
[13:11] <eix> nikolam: impossible, it's on the other laptop
[13:11] <eix> anyway it's the menu.lst generated by the installer
[13:11] <eix> I made no modifications to it
[13:11] <eix> maybe that the kernel has reiserfs as a module?
[13:11] <nikolam> can you boot live cd and copy data and then format it all?
[13:12] <eix> nikolam: ye
[13:12] <nikolam> And then try 7.10
[13:12] <nikolam> At the end, restor data and that is it
[13:12] <eix> nikolam: I think that minimal requirements are not met
[13:12] <eix> nikolam: this was a fresh install, no data to backup
[13:12] <nikolam> 64 mb should install on xubunut
[13:12] <nikolam> but X will not work perfectly
[13:12] <eix> iirc we didnt get 7.10 for the minimal requirements
[13:13] <nikolam> Maybe some bare wm
[13:13] <eix> blackbox?
[13:13] <nikolam> or openbox, something like that
[13:13] <nikolam> But there is also low-class computer specific distribution , like BSD and BSDN
[13:13] <eix> i will now format again
[13:14] <nikolam> LFS LFSN sorry
[13:14] <eix> k
[13:14] <nikolam> And try to use XFS or EXT2/3
[13:15] <eix> in order to improve the installer performance, can I switch to a shell and activate the swap?
[13:15] <nikolam> I think so
[13:15] <nikolam> ctrl+Alt+F2
[13:15] <eix> nikolam: ye
[13:15] <nikolam> I managed to make raid that way in the mid of install
[13:16] <eix> there is a bug in this installer: mkworddict always hungs, and then when you resume packages installation dpkg waits for input, even if called non-interactively (it asks confirmation on the syslog terminal!)
[13:17] <feklee> Where do I find documentation showing me how to install a Ubuntu package from source? (I want to recompile twinkle with KDE libs disabled)
[13:17] <nikolam> That was Damn Small linux, I was thinking before DSL, DSLN
[13:18] <feklee> Hm, just found sth. in the Debian doc: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html
[13:18] <feklee> (sorry for my premature call for help, let's see how things go ...)
[13:19] <feklee> How do I get rid of messages like this? Media change: please insert the disc labeled 'Xubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Release i386 (20071016)'
[13:20] <MatBoy> Mhh, I still get Unsafe Device removals on a SDcard with Gutsy
[13:20] <feklee> I don't have CD rom drive in my machine, currently.
[13:21] <nikolam> you can boot from floppy and mount cd image and install
[13:21] <feklee> Hm, I just commented out the first line in sources.list.
[13:22] <nikolam> got to go
[13:22] <nikolam> bye to all
[13:24] <MatBoy> Mhh, Krdc again not fullscreen :S
[13:41] <tuxcrafter> hello everybody
[13:42] <keitherz> how can i have multiple workspaces on compiz-fusion
[13:42] <tuxcrafter> my custom header filter stoped working in thunderbird in xubuntu gusty
[13:42] <keitherz> so that i have a cube
[13:42] <tuxcrafter> can somebody test this please?
[13:42] <tuxcrafter> X-Spam-Flag
[13:42] <thingummywut> i'm trying to install Gutsy Gibbon. everything else works fine, but i can't see the bottom of the screen
[13:43] <thingummywut> what could be wrong? i've tried playing with the settings, but it always shows only the upper part
[13:43] <thingummywut> and if it doesn't, it's something like 600x400 resolution
[13:43] <thingummywut> with the better resolutions the bottom is always cut off
[13:44] <thingummywut> i had problems with Feisty Fawn too. with that i couldn't see anything with better resolutions
[13:45] <keitherz> i have that problem too
[13:46] <thingummywut> you do? what kind of gfx card/monitor do you have?
[13:46] <keitherz> and i finished installation by just pushing stuffs at the bottom by setting my panel autohide
[13:47] <keitherz> i can see a small line and i klik it intil i finish the install
[13:47] <thingummywut> i installed Gutsy yesterday, and just once the screen was OK
[13:47] <thingummywut> but now it doesn't work anymore for some reason
[13:47] <keitherz> i dont know
[13:48] <tuxcrafter> thingummywut: do you have the same problem with the normal ubuntu to?
[13:49] <thingummywut> haven't tried. too little memory to install normal
[13:49] <eix> are 32MB enough for the boot partition?
[13:50] <tuxcrafter> eix: 100 MB is the recommended value
[13:50] <tuxcrafter> eix: or just combine the root and boot togheter
[13:50] <tuxcrafter> eix: that way you dont need a special boot partition
[13:51] <tuxcrafter> thingummywut: did you try other linux distributions
[13:51] <tuxcrafter> thingummywut: are you using a crt or lcd screen
[13:52] <eix> tuxcrafter: I spotted (it is still installing) a vertical message like "ld_static: could not finish linking" because of "no more space on device" on the systlog terminal
[13:53] <eix> tuxcrafter: will the installer continua anyway even without properly setup kernel?
[13:53] <thingummywut> haven't tried the others yet. this is a 1280x1024 LCD screen
[13:53] <eix> tuxcrafter: I think it would have stopped..
[13:53] <tuxcrafter> eix: no it will not boot without a proper kernel
[13:53] <tuxcrafter> eix: what are your system specs
[13:53] <eix> tuxcrafter: I know, but it didnt stop
[13:54] <thingummywut> i find it weird that once it ran ok, but now it's screwed up
[13:54] <eix> tuxcrafter: now it is configuring xorg-server
[13:54] <eix> celeron 700Mhz 64 MB ram
[13:54] <eix> hard disk 10GB
[13:54] <tuxcrafter> thingummywut: your lcd is probably the problem
[13:54] <tuxcrafter> 64 mb is a bit to low
[13:54] <tuxcrafter> 128 is minium
[13:54] <eix> tuxcrafter: I expect the installer to stop if the /boot partition could not be setup, correct?
[13:54] <tuxcrafter> you can try
[13:54] <eix> tuxcrafter: I know..I am using 7.04
[13:55] <tuxcrafter> but it will be extreemly slow because its going to swap everyting
[13:55] <thingummywut> tuxcrafter, that's what i think too. i wonder what could be done
[13:55] <eix> tuxcrafter: more than windows 2000?
[13:55] <tuxcrafter> eix: maybe try zenwalk
[13:56] <tuxcrafter> thingummywut: you have to setup your xorg with the correct settings
[13:56] <thingummywut> if i select plug-and-play monitor from the list, it only shows 600x400 resolution
[13:56] <thingummywut> tuxcrafter, i have, many times
[13:56] <eix> tuxcrafter: looks nice - never heard about it
[13:56] <thingummywut> manually too
[13:56] <tuxcrafter> for your lcd screen and video card
[13:56] <tuxcrafter> thingummywut: have you pressed the auto adjust button on your lcd screen
[13:57] <thingummywut> but with Gutsy the xorg.conf it's little different... it has way more values, some of which don't tell me anything
[13:57] <thingummywut> yes, i have
[13:57] <tuxcrafter> hmm
[13:57] <thingummywut> it moves the screen left a few pixels, but still doesn't show the bottom
[13:57] <tuxcrafter> these things are to complicated to explain remote for me
[13:57] <eix> tuxcrafter: they did not specify the minimal requirements :(
[13:57] <tuxcrafter> have you set the xfce display option to default
[13:58] <tuxcrafter> eix: xubuntu has a lot of services by default for useablilty
[13:58] <tuxcrafter> but it takes up a lot of memorty
[13:58] <tuxcrafter> you can totaly fine tweak xubuntu
[13:58] <thingummywut> yeah, it's on default
[13:58] <eix> tuxcrafter: I am able to tune it
[13:59] <tuxcrafter> eix: if you have the skills to tweak everyting it can work
[13:59] <tuxcrafter> but it will take alot of time
[13:59] <thingummywut> when the display seemed correct, i checked what the options were like, and "Plug-and-play" monitor was selected from the setup
[13:59] <eix> tuxcrafter: I tweak a lot my gentoo and my debian at work - I should be able to make it work
[13:59] <eix> tuxcrafter: I hope it wont :\
[13:59] <thingummywut> but now if i check plug-and-play again, i only get 600x400 res ;<
[13:59] <eix> btw ZenWalk does not list the minimal requirements
[14:00] <tuxcrafter> thingummywut: you are using that new ubuntu display config tool
[14:00] <tuxcrafter> (I dont have good experience with that new tool, it messed up everyting here, and it did not detect my openchrome driver)
[14:01] <thingummywut> yes, i am
[14:01] <thingummywut> hey, btw, could i add this line to zorg.conf:
[14:01] <thingummywut> DisplaySize width height
[14:01] <tuxcrafter> eix: the only problem with ZenWalk is that is use slackware
[14:01] <thingummywut> "This optional entry gives the width and height, in millimetres, of the picture area of the monitor. If given this is used to calculate the horizontal and vertical pitch (DPI) of the screen."
[14:01] <eix> seems like ZenWalk and Xubuntu have similar minimal requirements
[14:01] <tuxcrafter> but that can be a pro to
[14:01] <thingummywut> *xorg.conf
[14:01] <eix> tuxcrafter: I am intolerant to rpms
[14:02] <tuxcrafter> eix: it does not use rpms
[14:02] <tuxcrafter> i believe so
[14:02] <tuxcrafter> its more like tar.bz things
[14:02] <tuxcrafter> (i have to leave this channel soon, i have a hole list of problems i need to take care of)
[14:03] <eix> tuxcrafter: ok, thanks!
[14:04] <tuxcrafter> good luck guys
[14:06] <thingummywut> blarr. i'll just try reinstalling xubuntu. just to check the setups if it decides to work correctly again ->
[14:06] <keitherz> is xubuntu built-in with make, autoconf, gcc,etc...
[14:09] <vinze> I'm not sure, but you needed the "build-essential" package to install a lot of such tools at once
[14:14] <vinze> How's this for a screenshot for xubuntu.org: http://www.filegunner.net/uploadedfiles/113374gutsy_demo.png
[14:14] <werstudying> on xfce, openoffice.org does not follow my system's font settings. I enabled improved subpixel font rendering by editing my .fonts.conf
[14:15] <werstudying> on gnome, it follows the font rendering
[14:19] <eix> but will xubuntu run slower than win2000 with 64MB of RAM?
[14:26] <homebrewcider> has anyone here been able to upgrade to 7.10 yet, via synaptic? is that possible yet?
[14:27] <vinze> Via Synaptic? You should do it using Update Manager
[14:27] <homebrewcider> duh, that's what I meant sorry
[14:27] <homebrewcider> brain fade
[14:28] <vinze> :P
[14:28] <h3sp4wn> I wonder how they deal with the upgrade path from dapper -> hardy heron
[14:28] <h3sp4wn> they will*
[14:28] <homebrewcider> I'll re-phrase, has anyone here been able to upgrade to 7.10 yet, via update manager? is that possible yet?
[14:28] <vinze> h3sp4wn, yeah, me too
[14:28] <h3sp4wn> homebrewcider: I would use aptitude to do it
[14:29] <h3sp4wn> homebrewcider: Seems its quite likely to fail anyway
[14:29] <homebrewcider> in here the other night, I was told to use update manager
[14:29] <homebrewcider> should i hold off?
[14:30] <h3sp4wn> I have never broken a system with using aptitude even doing stupid stuff like upgrading ubuntu -> sid and back again
[14:30] <h3sp4wn> homebrewcider: Depends the thing is if aptitude has a problem it tells you
[14:30] <homebrewcider> the command for aptitude? is it simply aptitude dist-upgrade?
[14:31] <h3sp4wn> homebrewcider: whereas if it just gets stuck at 75% (as I have heard at least 3 people say) and the system is half upgraded
[14:31] <h3sp4wn> homebrewcider: make sure xubuntu-desktop is installed
[14:31] <homebrewcider> I'm using it now
[14:32] <h3sp4wn> switch feisty->gutsy in sources.list and then sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade (you can do a -s to see if what it wants to do is sane if you want)
[14:32] <homebrewcider> ok
[14:32] <vinze> h3sp4wn, isn't that very risky?
[14:32] <vinze> Just changing your sources.list?
[14:32] <homebrewcider> ok, I;'ll wait til you guys agree ;)
[14:33] <h3sp4wn> vinze: I don't think its risky I do think using update manager is risky
[14:34] <vinze> Well, yeah, update manager does fail often, but I've also read about a lot of problems when people just changed all feisty occurences to gutsy (or edgy to feisty at the time)
[14:34] <h3sp4wn> vinze: I wouldn't let apt-get do it but aptitude should be fine
[14:34] <vinze> h3sp4wn, that's true, it was apt-get always
[14:36] <homebrewcider> that settled? ;)
[14:36] <h3sp4wn> homebrewcider: You do what you think is right
[14:36] <homebrewcider> I don't know what's right......
[14:36] <h3sp4wn> either way if it fails you get to keep the pieces
[14:36] <homebrewcider> that's the problem
[14:36] <homebrewcider> would it be best to wait a while?
[14:37] <h3sp4wn> Well I guess if you pay canocial they will support you through an upgrade
[14:37] <vinze> h3sp4wn, I'm not that much of a Linux expert, perhaps you're better qualified to advise ;-)
[14:37] <vinze> homebrewcider, I don't think waiting will make the risk go away ;-)
[14:37] <vinze> Safest bet is still a fresh install, you didn't put /home on a separate partition, did you?
[14:37] <homebrewcider> no
[14:38] <vinze> Too bad, I've used that when I went from Edgy to Feisty and it works like a charm :)
[14:38] <homebrewcider> I can copy /home to another HDD, is that an option?
[14:39] <vinze> Well, if you can make a backup that's always safest :)
[14:39] <vinze> Even if you're planning on doing an upgrade
[14:39] <homebrewcider> ok, then change feisty to gutsy (all of them)
[14:39] <h3sp4wn> homebrewcider: I guess you are not using lvm ?
[14:40] <homebrewcider> no idea
[14:40] <h3sp4wn> (If you are then just take a snapshot - try one method if it messes up roll back and try the other way)
[14:55] <homebrewcider> it's late, I'll do this when I'm fully awake, thanx guys
[14:56] <homebrewcider> not making THAT mistake again
[14:56] <vinze> :)
[15:43] <Acorn02> hey ummm im trying to get my gaim instant messnger on my top panel thingy? prob is im newb
[15:44] <vinze> Right click the panel and select "Add New Item"
[15:44] <vinze> Then select "Launcher"
[15:44] <Acorn02> ok
[15:44] <Acorn02> but now what
[15:44] <vinze> Name: Gaim Description: Multi-protocol IM client (or whatever you please) Icon: gaim Command: gaim
[15:45] <Acorn02> Sweet
[15:45] <Acorn02> thx
[15:46] <vinze> np :)
[15:47] <Acorn02> lol this place is a lot more helpful then the ubuntu place.... =)
[15:47] <vinze> It's less crowded ;-)
[15:48] <neozen> Acorn02: that room just moves a lot faster
[15:48] <Acorn02> yah 0.os... ok another thingy... any good web browsers? besides firefox?
[15:48] <neozen> plus lol
[15:48] <vinze> Epiphany is cool
[15:49] <neozen> w3m is the best
[15:49]  * neozen grins
[15:49] <vinze> w3m?
[15:49] <neozen> command line
[15:49] <neozen> modern lynx
[15:49]  * vinze prefers elinks on the command line
[15:49] <Acorn02> so w3m for web browser?
[15:49] <neozen> ah... I just got used to w3m b/c its installed by default in ubuntu-server
[15:50] <vinze> Acorn02, that's in the terminal :P
[15:50] <Acorn02> or am i totally off and confused
[15:50] <vinze> Acorn02, but I quite like Epiphany
[15:50] <vinze> It's fast and does a good job
[15:50] <Acorn02> kk
[15:50] <vinze> And integrates with the system
[15:50] <Acorn02> well cya guys... back to school... 0.os
[15:50] <vinze> neozen, I with Elinks because it was my first encounter with translating open source stuff ;-)
[15:56] <dogg> hi, can someone help me with azureus please?
[16:07] <thingummywut> uhh. i can't get this screen working properly
[16:08] <thingummywut> it only shows ~60%, leaves the bottom out of the monitor
[16:12] <Acorn02> hey.. IM BACK!!!... uhhh i need flash player
[16:12] <Acorn02> how i get it?
[16:12] <vinze> Which Xubuntu version do you use?
[16:12] <thingummywut> me? 7.10, the new one
[16:12] <Acorn02> ummm... the 6.01 i think?
[16:13] <vinze> thingummywut, this morning (my timezone) someone else had that problem, apparently there was not solution
[16:13] <vinze> Acorn02, wait a sec
[16:13] <thingummywut> :I
[16:14] <thingummywut> i want a solution, this is really awkward. once this run perfectly ok
[16:14] <vinze> Acorn02, I suppose you want the latest Adobe Flash Player (i.e. not open source)?
[16:14] <thingummywut> but the other times it's been like this
[16:14] <Acorn02> yeah the latest
[16:14] <Acorn02> lol... w/e works for youtube
[16:15] <vinze> Well, there's an open source flash player that used to play YouTube, but I believe it doesn't work anymore so let's do Adobe's
[16:15] <thingummywut> i just installed the flash...
[16:15] <vinze> If you open Applications->System->Software Sources
[16:15] <vinze> thingummywut, in 7.10 it's easier
[16:15] <vinze> Acorn02, and there go to the "Updates" tab
[16:16] <vinze> You have to check the checkbox in front of "Unsupported Updates"
[16:16] <Acorn02> ok
[16:16] <thingummywut> what about "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree"?
[16:16] <thingummywut> or does that only work with this version? i'm a noob with Linux
[16:16] <vinze> thingummywut, yeah, but Dapper only ships version 7
[16:16] <thingummywut> ah, ok
[16:17] <vinze> Acorn02, once you have checked that, you can close that, and open Applications->System->Synaptic Package Manager
[16:17] <thingummywut> grrr... any ideas what could be wrong with my screen? i suppose it's the phhysical monitor, but i just can't get it work
[16:17] <Acorn02> i dont got software sources... i got software properties though?
[16:17] <vinze> thingummywut, *perhaps* there is something in Applications->Settings->Screens and Graphics
[16:17] <thingummywut> nah, played with those for last 2 days
[16:18] <vinze> Acorn02, that might be correct too, see if it has an "Updates" tab
[16:18] <vinze> thingummywut, sorry, don't know anything else :(
[16:18] <Acorn02> lol... umm is it the one where u can connect globaly to stuff? like to get gnomebaker?
[16:18] <vinze> Connect globally?
[16:18] <thingummywut> well, i'll try and play a bit more. if it doesn't work, i'm back to windows ;<
[16:18] <thingummywut> ->
[16:18] <vinze> thingummywut, too bad :(
[16:19] <vinze> thingummywut, perhaps more luck with another version of Xubuntu?
[16:19] <Acorn02> u know when u go to the synpatic package manager - tools - repositories - add? u click universe or something
[16:19] <thingummywut> tried Feisty Fawn, didn't even work this much
[16:19] <vinze> Acorn02, yeah
[16:19] <thingummywut> couldn't go up from 600x400 resolution with that
[16:19] <vinze> Acorn02, but then it's not universe that you need, but dapper-backports
[16:19] <Acorn02> vinze: what do i search in synpatic?
[16:20] <vinze> Acorn02, flashplugin-nonfree
[16:20] <Acorn02> 0.os... ok
[16:20] <vinze> With the default repositories it gives you version 7, if you enabled dapper-backports version 9
[16:29] <joeamined> hi
[16:29] <Acorn02> hello?
[16:29] <joeamined> when it is not xubuntu handling my desktop, what does it ?
[16:30] <vinze> How do you mean?
[16:30] <vinze> *What
[16:31] <joeamined> in desktop preferences
[16:31] <joeamined> there's a check box
[16:31] <vinze> Ah yes
[16:31] <vinze> Interesting question...
[16:31] <joeamined> let xfce handle my desktop
[16:32] <vinze> I think nothing... That it's just there to allow you to have something else manage your desktop if you wish so
[16:32] <joeamined> :)
[16:32] <joeamined> okay
[16:32] <joeamined> it's just that there's the orange background of gnome that is set
[16:32] <joeamined> :P
[16:32] <Acorn02> ummm... coming from a complete newb...... would that be a different window manager?
[16:32] <vinze> When you uncheck it?
[16:33] <Acorn02> coming from a complete newb*... sorta like enlightment?
[16:33] <joeamined> vinze, yes
[16:33] <vinze> Acorn02, no, a window manager is for your window borders and stuff, xfwm4 for Xfce
[16:33] <Acorn02> o
[16:33] <vinze> joeamined, you have Gnome installed too?
[16:33] <joeamined> vinze, no
[16:33] <vinze> Acorn02, xfdesktop handles the desktop for Xfce
[16:33] <vinze> Oh, odd :P
[16:33] <Sandblasted> need some help creating a live fhash drive w/ xubuntu
[16:33] <Sandblasted> can you guys help me
[16:33] <joeamined> vinze, it's an orange background, i'm not sure it is set by gnome :)
[16:33] <Sandblasted> (hi all!!!)
[16:34] <vinze> Sandblasted, what exactly do you want? (Hi :)
[16:34] <vinze> joeamined, ah well, doesn't matter that much anyway ;-)
[16:34] <vinze> Crap :P
[16:34] <Sandblasted> i want to unpak the iso to run it in a flash drive (usb)
[16:34] <vinze> Ah, which version of Xubuntu?
[16:35] <Sandblasted> vinze: can you pvp
[16:35] <Sandblasted> pvt
[16:35] <Sandblasted> ?
[16:35] <vinze> pvt = private?
[16:35] <Sandblasted> yep
[16:37] <vinze> ...did you get my message?
[16:39] <Sandblasted> your message?
[16:39] <vinze> The private one
[16:39] <Sandblasted> yes. i'm there
[16:40] <Sandblasted> antd ive wrote something
[16:40] <vinze> Hmm... OK, apparently it doesn't work the way it should :(
[16:41] <Sandblasted> so
[16:41] <Sandblasted> ?
[16:41] <vinze> Let's do it here then, I guess...
[16:41] <vinze> So... Do you want your changes to be saved to your USB drive?
[16:41] <Sandblasted> there isnt any forum ou site w/ instructions
[16:41] <Sandblasted> yes
[16:42] <Sandblasted> [16:35] vinze: Do you want your changes to be saved to your USB drive?
[16:42] <Sandblasted> [16:35] Sandblasted: yep
[16:42] <Sandblasted> [16:35] Sandblasted: i made one, but it doesn' t
[16:42] <Sandblasted> [16:35] Sandblasted: boot
[16:42] <Sandblasted> [16:37] Sandblasted: with 2 partitions
[16:42] <Sandblasted> [16:37] Sandblasted: im gonna check the usb partitions
[16:42] <vinze> Sandblasted, there's pendrivelinux.com for example, I've also written my own guides on my blog ;-)
[16:42] <Sandblasted> its the 7.10 version
[16:42] <vinze> Did you follow any instructions?
[16:43] <Sandblasted> those one's .....
[16:43] <Sandblasted> :)
[16:43] <vinze> pendrivelinux.com's?
[16:43] <Sandblasted> yep
[16:43] <Sandblasted> word by word
[16:43] <vinze> Let me see...
[16:45] <vinze> Sandblasted, ah, I see, they try to work around a bug that has been fixed in the final release
[16:45] <vinze> Sandblasted, there's this one: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[16:45] <vinze> But it's a bit too long for me to check, so I'll dig up my own post
[16:46] <Sandblasted> alright i'll follow that instrutions
[16:46] <Sandblasted> my flsh has 2gb
[16:46] <vinze> Otherwise, you can follow this one: http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2007/06/17/ubuntu-feisty-on-your-usb-drive-finally/
[16:46] <vinze> Sandblasted, mine too, works fine :)
[16:47] <vinze> In that second guide, use a Xubuntu 7.10 image instead, and you can also make the first (ubuntusb) partition smaller, about 600MB
[16:47] <Sandblasted> i thought ithat it was sufficient
[16:47] <vinze> More than enough :)
[16:47] <Sandblasted> thats what i thought :))
[16:52] <Sandblasted> its better to install it or use like a "live cd"
[16:52] <vinze> Live CD I guess is better for the lifetime of your USB drive and takes up much less space
[16:53] <vinze> I don't even think a normal install would fit on a USB drive
[16:53] <Sandblasted> i doesnt fit
[16:53] <Sandblasted> ive tried :)
[16:53] <vinze> Haha
[16:53] <Sandblasted> only in a 8gb flash drv
[16:53] <Sandblasted> :))
[16:56] <Acorn02> ..... 0.os....
[16:57] <Acorn02> what about the 20gb memory stick i got from japan?
[16:57] <Acorn02> memory stick pro duo*
[16:57] <vinze> Perhaps it could work, but I guess it's not that good for its lifetime
[16:58] <vinze> The advantages of doing a normal install are that it boots faster and works a bit better (e.g. you can enable restricted drivers)
[16:58] <vinze> Disadvantages are that it writes more often to the drive and that it takes up more space
[16:58] <vinze> Come to think of it, for 20gb is might be OK to do a normal install
[16:58] <vinze> *it
[16:59] <Sandblasted> its fixed space.... :)
[16:59] <h3sp4wn> You could just use it booting from the iso (from inside the vfat partition and use a unionfs ext2 partition ontop of that)
[17:00] <vinze> Yeah that's the LiveCD alternative, but you can't enable Restricted Drivers on that for example
[17:00] <vinze> *LiveUSB
[17:00] <h3sp4wn> Why not ?
[17:01] <vinze> I don't know, I guess the LiveCD's are configured that way, because you can't reboot it normally
[17:01] <h3sp4wn> the unionfs should make that possible
[17:01] <h3sp4wn> (might have to do a small amount of tweaking)
[17:01] <vinze> I tried enabling it, but it didn't work
[17:01] <h3sp4wn> did you take the iso appart to force it ?
[17:01] <vinze> You could, though, edit the ISO before you put it on your USB drive, but then you can only install the driver for the computer you're on that moment
[17:02] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu was never a very good live cd anyway
[17:02] <h3sp4wn> (or xubuntu or kubuntu)
[17:02] <vinze> Why not?
[17:02] <h3sp4wn> Not got any useful applications on it openoffice takes up loads of space
[17:02] <h3sp4wn> Its slow you don't have the option to preload the entire disk to ram
[17:03] <Sandblasted> ubuntu its "much heavier" that kubuntu or xubuntu?
[17:03] <vinze> h3sp4wn, Xubuntu doesn't have OO.o
[17:03] <vinze> Sandblasted, not than Kubuntu
[17:03] <h3sp4wn> vinze: does it have emacs and screen ?
[17:03] <vinze> h3sp4wn, dunno :P
[17:03] <Sandblasted> the lighest options are xubuntu then kubuntu
[17:03] <Sandblasted> right?
[17:03] <vinze> h3sp4wn, but "useful programs" is an opinion
[17:04] <vinze> Sandblasted, Kubuntu is not light, but Xubuntu is lightest of the three indeed
[17:04] <h3sp4wn> xbuntu is not as light as etch with xfce
[17:04] <h3sp4wn> dunno why or haven't tried to find out
[17:05] <Acorn02> ok ummm... question.... i was downloading enlightment in my terminal
[17:05] <Acorn02> and when it was loading
[17:05] <Sandblasted> whats that main differences in kubuntu and xubuntu
[17:05] <Sandblasted> interface in apps?
[17:05] <h3sp4wn> Sandblasted: One has kde one has xfce
[17:05] <Acorn02> my friend got the mouse.. and clicked paste
[17:05] <Sandblasted> (and)
[17:05] <Acorn02> it loooks like this now
[17:05] <h3sp4wn> Sandblasted: But the kde apps are the best
[17:05] <Acorn02> --------------------------- Installing libraries (EFL) -------------------------- imlib2 ..................... ok
[17:05] <Acorn02> - edb ........................ ok
[17:05] <Acorn02> - eet ........................ ok
[17:05] <Acorn02> - evas ....................... ok
[17:05] <Acorn02> - ecore ...................... ok
[17:05] <Acorn02> - efreet ..................... ok
[17:05] <Acorn02> - epeg ....................... ok
[17:05] <Acorn02> - embryo ..................... ok
[17:05] <Acorn02> - edje ....................... autogen: [-]-------------------------------- Build phase 2/3 -------------------------------- lib-compilation and installation
[17:06] <Acorn02> - apps-compilation and installation
[17:06] <vinze> h3sp4wn, that's also an opinion...
[17:06] <Acorn02> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[17:06] <Acorn02> --------------------------- Installing libraries (EFL) -------------------------- imlib2 ..................... ok
[17:06] <Acorn02> make   : [-]sudo gedit /etc/environm[|]
[17:06] <Acorn02> ok
[17:06] <Acorn02> - epsilon .................... autogen: [/]
[17:06] <Acorn02> would that affect the stuff he pasted
[17:06] <vinze> !paste | Acorn02
[17:06] <ubotu> Acorn02: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[17:06] <Sandblasted> what the hell is this
[17:06] <h3sp4wn> vinze: I would say that is pretty indisputable
[17:06] <Acorn02> 0.o kk
[17:06] <vinze> h3sp4wn, no it's not, because "KDE Apps" is a wide definition
[17:07] <h3sp4wn> vinze: well - amarok and k3b
[17:07] <Sandblasted> BRB :)
[17:07] <vinze> h3sp4wn, I didn't quite like Amarok but didn't take the time to investigate it, and I dono't burn CD's ;-)
[17:07] <vinze> h3sp4wn, but there's no KDE alternative as good as Gimp for example
[17:07] <vinze> Or Bluefish
[17:08] <vinze> On the other hand, there's no good GTK alternative for e.g. lmms
[17:09] <h3sp4wn> vinze: Bluefish is disputable (quanta)
[17:09] <vinze> h3sp4wn, that's what I mean, I personally prefer Bluefish, but someone else might prefer Quanta
[17:10] <h3sp4wn> vinze: Yeah but the gtk alternatives to amarok are poor (I have tried all of them)
[17:10] <vinze> h3sp4wn, matter of taste ;-)
[17:10] <vinze> What I've seen of Amarok's next version I really dislike its interface
[17:11] <h3sp4wn> vinze: They are incomplete - that is an objective statement
[17:11] <vinze> h3sp4wn, no, the definition of "complete" is partial
[17:11] <vinze> If it has all the features I need, it's "complete"
[17:11] <vinze> Note when it has all the features all its competitors have
[17:11] <vinze> *not
[17:13] <h3sp4wn> vinze: Complete is when everything that it is supposed to have is working
[17:13] <vinze> h3sp4wn, such as?
[17:13] <vinze> And what it "what it is supposed to have"?
[17:14] <h3sp4wn> vinze: just stuff like last.fm integration and musicbrainz integration just doesn't work correctly on exaile or banshee or the other one i forget the name of
[17:14] <vinze> h3sp4wn, Last.fm integration worked fine on Exaile for me (and now on Rhythmbox), and I don't need musicbrainz integration
[17:15] <h3sp4wn> vinze: rythymbox doesn't like my choice of using the commercial oss drivers
[17:15] <vinze> h3sp4wn, that does not make it objectively worse than AmaroK
[17:17] <h3sp4wn> vinze: I had changed subjects (I cannot be bothered wasting time on rythmbox at the moment)
[17:17] <vinze> :P
[17:18] <h3sp4wn> It really is getting annoying for me alsa using ice1712 or ice1724 - it gets broken so often especially when dmix is involved
[17:18] <vinze> I have no idea what you're talking about right now :P
[17:19] <h3sp4wn> I don't know loads about it other than it happens consistantly
[17:19] <vinze> And how come AmaroK doesn't have that issue?
[17:20] <h3sp4wn> Well its easy to use the right plug
[17:20] <h3sp4wn> so it bypasses dmix
[17:21] <vinze> Ah, the "more options" advantage/disadvantage :P
[17:21] <h3sp4wn> Then you cannot play 2 sounds at once ever though - commercial oss drivers let you do this and it just works
[17:21] <vinze> There's always something :P
[17:22] <h3sp4wn> always
[17:25] <Sandblasted> hi again
[17:25] <vinze> Hey Sandblasted
[17:25] <vinze> wb
[17:25] <Sandblasted> got one more question... :)
[17:25] <Sandblasted> :)))
[17:25] <Sandblasted> wb=?
[17:25] <vinze> Bring it on :P
[17:25] <vinze> Welcome back :)
[17:25] <Blue89> is there a package for E17?
[17:26] <Sandblasted> ah ok (dumb me) :)))
[17:26] <h3sp4wn> Blue89: easy_e17.sh is not that bad to use
[17:26] <Sandblasted> is there a xubuntu server?
[17:26] <Blue89> a buddy of mine just tried it, and it failed
[17:26] <Blue89> he pasted a couple build errors for me
[17:26] <vinze> Sandblasted, what do you mean, Xubuntu server?
[17:26] <Acorn02> lol ur already here blue
[17:27] <Blue89> hi Acorn02 I didn't see you there
[17:27] <Acorn02> lol.. u know what ur talking ab out more then me so go ahead
[17:27] <h3sp4wn> Blue89: It is live cvs code - it breaks and unbreaks very frequently still
[17:27] <thingummywut> bah, i can't get this work. if anyone has any ideas how to get the bottom of the screen to the monitor area, keep 'em coming
[17:28]  * Blue89 (a gentoo user) is trying to explain to Acorn02 how to get E17 working... without ever doing it on ubuntu before
[17:28] <Acorn02> yeah... 0.os
[17:28] <Blue89> I used the other ebuild to use a different version of it, that was not broken, but I don't know if there is a similar way to use the configure the easy_e17.sh script
[17:31] <vinze> I'm off for dinner, bye
[17:31] <h3sp4wn> I would use easy_e17.sh but just build what you have to have
[17:31] <h3sp4wn> don't bother with all the modules
[17:32] <Sandblasted> yes, is it possible to make a xubuntu server installation
[17:33] <Sandblasted> i have a server  (rather old) that has a w2000 server installation
[17:33] <Sandblasted> ... i want to install a linux server
[17:33] <Sandblasted> with a share directory
[17:34] <h3sp4wn> Sandblasted: use the server install cd or the alternative and select a cli only install
[17:34] <Sandblasted> but what version? xubuntu?
[17:34] <Sandblasted> or ubuntu?=
[17:34] <h3sp4wn> Any doesn't matter (server doesn't need a gui right ?)
[17:35] <Sandblasted> it was better if it has it
[17:35] <Sandblasted> ...
[17:36] <Sandblasted> and can i share a dir with windows installations?
[17:36] <h3sp4wn> You can do that just with samba
[17:36] <h3sp4wn> There is not much in the way of gui administration stuff for ubuntu anyway
[17:36] <h3sp4wn> I have heard suse is good for that with yast
[17:37] <thingummywut> grr, the bottom of the screen is still cut off
[17:37] <h3sp4wn> (but not used it since 6.2)
[17:37] <thingummywut> i want to get it to the monitor range ;<
[17:37] <Sandblasted> but suse is paid.........
[17:37] <Sandblasted> :)
[17:38] <Blue89> thingummywut, I never did figure out how to get gentoo to run on a widescreen monitor... lol
[17:38] <Sandblasted> what is the best option
[17:38] <Sandblasted> ?
[17:38] <thingummywut> yup, this seems weird. this is a normal 17" LCD, though
[17:39] <Sandblasted> xubuntu right? ubuntu asks for a better machine...... right?
[17:39] <Sandblasted> (server install)
[17:40] <h3sp4wn> The server install is the same on all of them
[17:40] <h3sp4wn> (has to be the alternative cd though)
[17:40] <Sandblasted> hmmm
[17:40] <thingummywut> .... this ain't even fun. now the screen is again OK and i did nothing special
[17:41] <thingummywut> i bet next time i boot it's messed up again
[17:41] <Sandblasted> but were is the link for the xubuntu server?
[17:41] <thingummywut> i'd better never reboot anymore :):)
[17:41] <Sandblasted> mess with the power... and you will see
[17:41] <Sandblasted> :)
[17:42] <Sandblasted> but is there a link for the xubuntu server?
[17:42] <Sandblasted> or its supposed to use the desktop cd
[17:43] <Sandblasted> ?
[17:46] <Blue89> Sandblasted, I would recommend you use the ubuntu serve and not look for an xubuntu server, I don't think there is any differenence between the two assuming xubuntu serve even exists
[17:47] <Blue89> but I wouldn't know
[17:52] <Sandblasted> ok
[17:52] <Sandblasted> ive been away from linux so many years
[17:52] <Sandblasted> ....... but know i se the bright light.........
[17:52] <Sandblasted> :))
[17:53] <Sandblasted> ...... but now i see the bright light.........
[17:53] <Sandblasted> :))
[17:54] <wers> my alt+F4 doesn't work. I checked on my keyboard shortcuts and alt+F4 is really set as the shortcut to close windows..
[17:54] <wers> any ideas on why it doesnt work?
[17:57] <Sandblasted> blue69: ive been away from linux so many years, ..... but now i see the bright light......... :))
[18:02] <Sandblasted> well see ya tomorrow
[18:03] <Sandblasted> gotta do some xubuntu install
[18:03] <Sandblasted> :)
[18:03] <Sandblasted> bya!!
[18:05] <genii> alternate cd had CLI install option?
[18:06] <genii> *had/has
[18:07] <wers> wow... genii on #ubuntu
[18:07] <wers> i mean
[18:07] <wers> xubuntu
[18:07] <wers> hehehe
[18:07] <genii> Heh :)
[18:08] <genii> wers: Someone was asking there about the alternate CD, didn't know offhand. these days i'm doing gnome alternate then xubuntu-desktop  kubuntu-desktop
[18:09] <wers> sorry.. haven't been playing with alternate cds
[18:09] <wers> hehehe.. just installed by sudo aptituding.. hehe
[18:24] <thingummywut> i installed Firestarter on my new Xubuntu. is that enough for internet security?
[18:24] <thingummywut> or should i even have that?
[18:27] <hyper___ch> thingummywut: you don't need firestarter
[18:30] <thingummywut> is that because the in-build firewall?
[18:31] <thingummywut> hyper___ch?
[18:31] <hyper___ch> thingummywut: first starter is not a firewall
[18:31] <hyper___ch> thingummywut: firestarter is just a gui for iptables
[18:31] <thingummywut> ooh, i see now.
[18:31] <thingummywut> i'll just uninstall that then
[18:31] <hyper___ch> thingummywut: as long as you don't setup servers and stuff there's no real need for using firestarter
[18:31] <thingummywut> k
[18:31] <hyper___ch> thingummywut: only once you encounter problems when some stuff isn't going ok
[18:34] <thingummywut> btw, is there a simple way to replace that PC beep to something more pleasant?
[18:34] <thingummywut> for example if i push "back" on this space when there's nothing written
[18:34] <thingummywut> shower ->
[18:43] <Wilbur31337> Hello, all.
[18:43] <Wilbur31337>  Having a few problems, but I think they may all be related. Short question: Getting error "dbus_bus_get ... Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory"  I did already RTFM, lol. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
[18:44] <TheSheep> Wilbur31337: do you have dbus running?
[18:45] <Wilbur31337> Yes.
[18:45] <Wilbur31337> I can tell u a little more...
[18:45] <Wilbur31337> Says dbus is up and running, I reinstalled the dbus and hal packages, hoping something would reconfigure but no dice. Also getting "fake start-stop-daemon ... doing nothing"  messages at bootup. I'm thinking I may have installed a package that is blocking access to certain system areas.
[18:45] <Wilbur31337> The only other problem I've noticed, is if I try to open network-admin it says I don't have permission, even tho I am starting xfce from a root shell.
[18:46] <TheSheep> Wilbur31337: yes it depends on dbus
[18:46] <Wilbur31337>  At first, I thought maybe whatever was trying to access the /var/run/dbus didn't have permission to access to the directory, but I manually checked and the system_bus_socket was not there. I was thinking maybe XFCE was pointing to the socket for a different version of dbus than the one I'm running.
[18:46] <TheSheep> Wilbur31337: and many other tools too
[18:46] <Wilbur31337> The only other thing I could think of is if the permissions are preventing that socket from being created in the first place.
[18:46] <Wilbur31337> Could the SELinux package be causing problems?
[18:47] <TheSheep> Wilbur31337: I think it can
[18:47] <TheSheep> Wilbur31337: if you don't have apropriate rules for dbus in it
[18:47] <TheSheep> Wilbur31337: but I don't have experience with selinux
[18:48] <Wilbur31337> It was an addon package for my xubuntu install.
[18:48] <Wilbur31337> So I suppose I should try removing that package and see if the situation improves.
[18:50] <TheSheep> sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart <-- tried this already, I presume?
[18:51] <Wilbur31337> Ooh.
[18:53] <thingummywut> hey, anyone know how to delete or replace that PC speaker beep when i do something?
[18:53] <thingummywut> i hate how it goes "BEEP" all the time
[18:53] <Wilbur31337> Just did. Got a whole bunch of lines with the same result:  "* Stopping ???blah manager???   Warning: Fake start-stop-daemon called, doing nothing.  [OK]"  then a series of the "starting ???" lines with the same error.
[18:54] <TheSheep> this is very strange, why would it "fake" it?
[18:55] <Wilbur31337> Thing, if you're up to it, and you want it always disabled, you should be able to open your box and physically disconnect the pc speaker.
[18:55] <Wilbur31337> I don't know, maybe booting into a recovery mode. It doesn't seem to be loading my drivers either.
[18:55] <thingummywut> yeah, i know, but can't be bothered. i googled one method, doing it now
[18:56] <Wilbur31337> Might be able to disable it in BIOS.
[18:56] <TheSheep> Wilbur31337: I get this: http://sheep.art.pl/SandBox
[18:56] <TheSheep> thingummywut: you can disable it in terminal settings
[18:56] <thingummywut> ah, worked perfect. praise google!
[18:57] <TheSheep> thingummywut: in ~/.config/Terminal/terminalrc
[18:57] <thingummywut> yup, i did. "rmmod pcspkr" did the trick
[18:57] <TheSheep> ough, that's brutal
[18:58] <thingummywut> also added pcspkr to blacklist, should prevent it loading during start-up
[18:59] <thingummywut> TheSheep, why is it so brutal btw?
[19:00] <thingummywut> doesn't "modprobe pcspkr" re-enable it?
[19:00] <thingummywut> plus removing the blacklist too
[19:00] <TheSheep> thingummywut: yes, but I'd prefer to disable it in that one particular app where it is annoying
[19:01] <TheSheep> thingummywut: something could depend on that module bening loaded, for example
[19:01] <thingummywut> well, i don't prefer it anywhere, so this just does the trick
[19:01] <Wilbur31337> lol
[19:01] <thingummywut> hmm... that's a point, though
[19:01] <TheSheep> thingummywut: whatever works for you :)
[19:02] <thingummywut> well, if i happen to face problems, i got to try your way then
[19:02] <thingummywut> i'll use this as long as it works
[19:02] <Wilbur31337> See, I solve both of those problems by physically disconnecting the speaker. :P
[19:02] <Wilbur31337> Just like in my car.
[19:02] <Wilbur31337> ha ha
[19:03] <TheSheep> speaker-o-tomy
[19:03] <Wilbur31337> Radio on the same fuse? Jam a screwdriver into the piezo and hope u don't short anything important! lol
[19:03] <TheSheep> I always used to connect pcspeaker via the turbo button, so I could enable it and disable at will
[19:03] <Wilbur31337> Ahh, very nice.
[19:04] <Wilbur31337> I want to get another fan to mount on my monitor since it gets so hot.
[19:04] <TheSheep> honestly, can't think what that button was for -- who would want his box to run *slower*?
[19:05] <Wilbur31337> I just read an article about the turbo button the other day. Just eye-candy they used to put on legacy machines.
[19:06] <Wilbur31337> You can disable its operation from within the system.
[19:06] <TheSheep> Wilbur31337: not on a 386 :)
[19:06] <Wilbur31337> I forget exacly what signal is sent by the button tho.
[19:06] <TheSheep> Wilbur31337: it depends on BIOS
[19:07] <TheSheep> Wilbur31337: some motherboards had it harwired
[19:07] <TheSheep> hardwired
[19:07] <Wilbur31337> Ahh, okay.
[19:07] <Wilbur31337> My C-64 didn't need no dang turbo!
[19:08] <Wilbur31337> Think my DX66 was the first I had with a turbo.
[19:09] <Wilbur31337> The PC I am installing this xubuntu on now is an IBM 300GL, lol.
[19:09] <h3sp4wn> I think the point of it was to speed the machine down if you needed to run a legacy app (I never needed to use it though anyway)
[19:10] <TheSheep> goslo.com :)
[19:10] <h3sp4wn> I think mine dropped the speed from 33 to 16 mhz
[19:10] <Wilbur31337> Yeah, the only purpose for it, like you said, is for programs that didn't dynamically adjust timings according to processor speed.
[19:10] <TheSheep> later there were lots of resident programs that did the slowing down
[19:13] <NullName> hello.
[19:19] <Wilbur31337> Well, I'm going to remove the SELinux pkg, and if that doesn't fix, I'm just going to reinstall. Ugh.
[19:20] <Wilbur31337> I would have just done that a long time ago, but my CDrom barely reads the CDs I burn on my other computer.
[19:21] <Wilbur31337> Had to burn a half dozen discs at different speeds to get one that worked, ha ha.
[19:22] <TheSheep> Wilbur31337: there are other ways to install xubuntu
[19:22] <Wilbur31337> Wish I could download a pressed disk, LOL.
[19:23] <Wilbur31337> Yeah, I was thinking about trying a netboot install, but I'm having enough trouble with this without trying something I know nothing about.
[19:23] <Wilbur31337> Is that the other method you were referring to?
[19:25] <Wilbur31337> TheSheep?
[19:25] <TheSheep> !install | Wilbur31337
[19:25] <ubotu> Wilbur31337: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[19:26] <Wilbur31337> Yeah, they are download ISO image, order pressed CD, netboot, or upgrade from previous dist.
[19:27] <TheSheep> Wilbur31337: there is more, for example I reinstalled my system by running it from an iso on hdd
[19:27] <TheSheep> Wilbur31337: without burning (because I didn't have a spare cd handy)
[19:28] <TheSheep> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromLinux
[19:28] <TheSheep> I uset that unetbootin thingy
[19:29] <slow-motion> hallo
[19:29] <Wilbur31337> Yeah, but first I would have to get the ISO onto the HD, and second, this machine only has a 2.5GB HD and an ISO image would take almost a third of my available space.
[19:30] <TheSheep> Wilbur31337: sixth
[19:30] <TheSheep> Wilbur31337: how about the minimal cd?
[19:31] <Wilbur31337> I only saw a regular and alternate image, and I got the alternate.
[19:31] <Wilbur31337> from xubuntu.org
[19:31] <Wilbur31337> Is that the minimal u meant?
[19:32] <TheSheep> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[19:32] <TheSheep> Wilbur31337: it's 8MB
[19:34] <Wilbur31337> Okay, thanks.  U think the installer will be able to get the networking up though? I just figured I would need a working system installed before it would even have the drivers available to enable my networking.
[19:34] <TheSheep> Wilbur31337: no idea
[19:35] <Wilbur31337> I have an uncommon networking setup to wrestle with here, and that's why I haven't bothered trying a netboot heretofore.
[19:35] <Wilbur31337> Surfboard cable modem, connected to USB.
[19:36] <Wilbur31337> Need special drivers that map the USB to eth0
[19:36] <Wilbur31337> Should be common enough tho, maybe the installer does have that driver.
[19:36] <Wilbur31337> Thanks for the info and links.
[19:36] <Wilbur31337> You have been very helpful.
[19:37] <TheSheep> :)
[19:41] <Wilbur31337> Shit, is xubuntu based on SELinux?
[19:41] <Wilbur31337> I marked the SELinux library to be removed, and it autoflagged a gig of other packages to be removed.
[19:42] <Wilbur31337> I won't have a system left, ha ha. Time for reinstallation... wheeeeee!!!!
[19:43] <Wilbur31337> what is the command to set system runlevel?
[19:46] <zoredache> telinit
[19:46] <Wilbur31337> Oh, runlevel, ha ha ha
[19:47] <Wilbur31337> and telinit.  thx zored
[19:48] <NullName> hey guys how do I use apache ssl with 7.10 xubuntu? https://localhost isn't working..
[19:48] <NullName> It should be installed
[19:48] <Wilbur31337> U have the https port open?
[19:49] <NullName> let me check
[19:49] <NullName> nope I don't
[19:49] <NullName> how do I open it?
[19:49] <NullName> just port 80 is open
[19:49] <Wilbur31337> Default for https is 443
[19:49] <NullName> maybe I don't have it installed?
[19:49] <TheSheep> NullName: you use it exactly the same way as you'd use apache on debian, redhat, fedora, suse, solaris, etc.
[19:50] <Wilbur31337> What system are u running?
[19:50] <NullName> well I'm not sure if it's installed.
[19:50] <NullName> xubuntu 7.10
[19:50] <NullName> its just a network for me and my roommates.
[19:50] <NullName> on the router
[19:50] <NullName> or through the router..rather..
[19:50] <Wilbur31337> Is it connected to the internet at all tho?
[19:51] <NullName> yes.
[19:51] <NullName> but no ports are forwarded,.,
[19:51] <Wilbur31337> Okay, then you still need to be careful about what you enable. (if no internet was connected, it would be trivial to just open everything up)
[19:52] <Wilbur31337> Are you running anything like bastille, that might be blocking that port?
[19:52] <NullName> maybe I don't have ssl installed.
[19:52] <NullName> I have openssl
[19:52] <NullName> aND apache.
[19:53] <NullName> I went to synaptic and searched for ssl and everything that would have been there was installed.
[19:53] <NullName> do you know the name of the specific package I need>
[19:53] <NullName> ?
[19:53] <Wilbur31337> No.
[19:53] <Wilbur31337> I haven't played with Apache in a while.
[19:53] <NullName> I thought it came with apache...that's what apache-ssl is saying
[19:54] <Wilbur31337> Did it configure itself when you installed the package?
[19:54] <NullName> I don't rememeber what it said...
[19:55] <NullName> it was a while ago
[19:55] <Wilbur31337> You might have to manually edit some apache config files.
[19:55] <NullName> that's probably it...but I can't find a document saying that..
[19:55] <NullName> wait I found it
[19:55] <Wilbur31337> I'm sure you have to configure it so serve https, I doubt it does by default.
[19:55] <NullName> libapache-mod-ssl
[19:55] <NullName> sudo bash echo "Listen 443" >> /etc/apache2/ports.conf
[19:56] <NullName> :-D
[19:56] <Wilbur31337> Sweet
[19:56] <Wilbur31337> Does it work?
[19:57] <NullName> looks like it is except the first two commands don't and are pointless
[19:57] <NullName> yea it works
[19:57] <NullName> I ran " sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 force-relod"
[19:57] <NullName> and then the sudo bash echo "Listen 443" >> /etc/apache2/ports.conf
[19:57] <NullName> and it works
[19:58] <Wilbur31337> Yay! 8-)
[19:59] <NullName> :-D
[20:02] <Wilbur31337> Just make sure if you install a firewall or anything u don't forget to allow that port. It won't matter if Apache is listening on that port if it never gets any packets. :P
[20:02] <Nyks> hi all :O)
[20:03] <Nyks> i hope, its ok, to start with a question: I get no more network connection with xubuntu ...
[20:04] <Wilbur31337> Hello, Nyks. :)
[20:04] <aoupi> hi, when I make my terminal window transparent only the backgrounds shows thru, not windows or anything
[20:04] <Wilbur31337> Did you have a working connection before?
[20:04] <Nyks> using a 10/100 wired lan, i got connectivity first (www works well). After restarting: no LAN
[20:05] <aoupi> I have enabled Composite in my xorg.conf if that matters
[20:05] <Wilbur31337> So now you are getting nothing?
[20:05] <Nyks> no connection the the www, and no PING to hardware-router
[20:06] <Wilbur31337> type ifconfig
[20:06] <Nyks> correct, nothing, no ping to my network-router (DHCP)
[20:06] <Nyks> i did: ...
[20:06] <Wilbur31337> Does the network device show up?
[20:06] <Nyks> ... inet Adress: 169.....
[20:06] <Wilbur31337> U played with dhclient at all?
[20:06] <Wilbur31337> dhclient --help
[20:07] <Nyks> <IP_ADDRESS>. Usually it has to be 192.168.1.X
[20:07] <Nyks> no, i didnt
[20:07] <Nyks> i have to admit, being a linux-newbie ;)
[20:08] <Wilbur31337> It is the client that handles the DHCP configuration.
[20:08] <Wilbur31337> I think NetworkManager takes over control though, if you are using that.
[20:08] <Nyks> i really wondering, why this works afzter first restart after i installed the LAN-card
[20:08] <aoupi> can someone try enabling transparency in the terminal, do you only see the background?
[20:09] <TheSheep> aoupi: yes, to get real transparency you need to enable compositing in settings->window manager tweaks
[20:09] <Nyks> ok, i will try dhclient now
[20:09] <aoupi> TheSheep: oh, thanks
[20:09] <Wilbur31337> Try typing just dh and hit <tab> a few times
[20:09] <Wilbur31337> it will show a list of a few commands
[20:10] <Wilbur31337> just try them with --help flag
[20:10] <TheSheep> usually you just do 'sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart'
[20:10] <Wilbur31337> Try what Sheep says first.
[20:11] <Wilbur31337> I'm a born-again noob myself, lol.
[20:11] <Nyks> Wilbur31337, I run "sudo dhclient", and now it works suddenly :-O
[20:12] <Nyks> Strange ... only type dhclient, it asks for nothing, and fixed it.
[20:13] <Wilbur31337> Yeah, it queries the DHCP server automatically if nothing is specified.
[20:13] <kpel> hi all
[20:13] <Nyks> is it permanent (usually) ?
[20:13] <aoupi> TheSheep: is it normal for some apps to break when enabling window-decoration transparency?
[20:13] <Wilbur31337> You can give it parameters to use a certain server, only request certain info (eg. if u want to use your own DNS server, but still need to get an IP address, etc.)
[20:14] <Nyks> I hope, xubuntu dont force me to run this after every startup
[20:15] <Wilbur31337> Hmm, if it didn't automatically query DHCP the first time, it won't start. Have you rebooted again since you installed the network hardware?
[20:15] <TheSheep> aoupi: no, report a bug
[20:15] <kpel> is it possible to upgrade from 7.04 to 7.10 froma CD? I don't have enough free space in my root partition and I don't know how to tell the update manager to use another partition for temp storage.
[20:15] <aoupi> TheSheep: to xubuntu or xfce?
[20:15] <Nyks> Wilbur31337, after first start after installing the lan-card, it works,
[20:16] <Nyks> ... and then, after resatrting, it stops working (up to now)
[20:16] <TheSheep> aoupi: to ubuntu, they will forward it to xfce
[20:16] <aoupi> TheSheep: ok
[20:17] <NullName> damnit now I messed up apache.
[20:17]  * Nyks restarts the xubuntu-machine
[20:18] <Wilbur31337> Sheep, where should Nyks put an entry to run dhclient at startup?
[20:19] <NullName> Wilbur I messed it up now.
[20:19] <Wilbur31337> How?
[20:19] <Wilbur31337> Like I said, I'm no apache expert, I just knew that https needs that port.
[20:19] <Wilbur31337> :P
[20:20] <Wilbur31337> I will try my very bestest tho! O:-)
[20:20] <NullName> someone help! I was trying to enable ssl on apache and now I disabled port 80. I reintsalled apache, and it still won't work.  How do I open port 80?
[20:20] <TheSheep> Wilbur31337: it's already in /etc/init.d/networking
[20:21] <TheSheep> NullName: edit /etc/apache2/ports.conf
[20:21] <NullName> thanks TheSheep
[20:23] <Wilbur31337> Null, also, be careful when you echo/cat entries to a file like that. You want to make sure you are APPENDING to the file, not OVERWRITING an entry. You probably overwrote the port 80 rule with the 443 rule.
[20:23] <NullName> no I did append
[20:23] <Wilbur31337> Does the server still serve on port 443?
[20:23] <Nyks> Wilbur31337, TheSheep : i restarted the pc, and now it continues to work. I dont really understand, how this error was caused, but now it works :)
[20:23] <NullName> yes it does say 443
[20:23] <Nyks> Wilbur31337, thank you verya muc
[20:23] <Nyks> h
[20:23] <NullName> TheSheep: how should the file look?
[20:24] <NullName> TheSheep: here is how it looks http://pastebin.com/m237dd011
[20:24] <TheSheep> Listen 80
[20:24] <TheSheep> looks good
[20:25] <aoupi> is there some quick way to take a screenshot?
[20:25] <NullName> is the 443 messed up?
[20:25] <NullName> aoupi: use the screenshot button on your keyboard
[20:25] <NullName> oh wait that probably won't work in xubuntu...
[20:25] <Wilbur31337> Nyks, you are very welcome!
[20:25] <NullName> only in normal ubuntu
[20:26] <aoupi> NullName: ah, I'm an old mac user and always forgets it exists :)
[20:26] <NullName> hehe did it work?
[20:26] <aoupi> NullName: nope, printscreen does nothing
[20:26] <Nyks> aoupi, i just used GIMP
[20:27] <Nyks> aoupi, its included in xubuntu
[20:27] <aoupi> Nyks: for screenshot? that seems overkill :)
[20:28] <Nyks> aoupi, but it works fine (and is standard-included)
[20:28] <Nyks> aoupi, "File / import" (or something similar, im using german localisation)
[20:29] <aoupi> Nyks: got it, thanks
[20:29] <NullName> TheSheep...I removed everything except port 80
[20:29] <NullName> I restarted and it doesn't work
[20:30] <Wilbur31337> I forget where you set them, but there is a very simple list you can edit for binding keys to anything, like taking a screenshot. If you use it a lot, it might be worth it.
[20:30] <TheSheep> the program is called scrot
[20:31] <TheSheep> or you can use imagemagic's import
[20:31] <snelbojke> why do it take so long to download xubuntu
[20:31] <Wilbur31337> Try another mirror.
[20:32] <Wilbur31337> I got mine from Argonne and I was d/l ~1400KB/s
[20:33] <TheSheep> snelbojke: use torrent
[20:33] <Wilbur31337> ...and make sure you check the md5
[20:35] <snelbojke> i use torrent  25kb/s
[20:35] <snelbojke> then it cames up to 700 then down again
[20:36] <Wilbur31337> Have you set the upload speed limit?
[20:38] <snelbojke> no
[20:38] <Wilbur31337> Also, try enabling encryption, and set to RC4, with fallback.  That will help avoid throttling on some ISPs.
[20:39] <LastMall> force encryption
[20:39] <Wilbur31337> Try setting the upload max to around 25-35KB.
[20:40] <snelbojke> :O i aint so good at torrent
[20:40] <Wilbur31337> Yeah, there will be enough seeds to force encryption for this torrent.
[20:40] <snelbojke> NVM
[20:40] <snelbojke>  now it is 300kb/s
[20:41] <Wilbur31337> Otherwise, go to the xubuntu download page and pick a mirror location that is close to you.
[20:41] <snelbojke> 22 m left
[20:41] <snelbojke> ok
[20:41] <snelbojke> or no
[20:41] <snelbojke> 20 m left
[20:41] <snelbojke> :p
[20:45] <Wilbur31337> Okay, I've had this problem since Hoary:  The video looks good, the desktop fits perfectly on my screen, but anytime I open a window, it goes way off the bottom of the screen. I can't shrink the windows because I can't get to the bottom of them to resize them.
[20:45] <Wilbur31337> I'm guessing I just need to put a max window size line in a win-manager config file.
[20:46] <Wilbur31337> It sucks not being able to see some of the window, but really kills me since the buttons for a window are always at the bottom too.
[20:48] <Medo42> Hello. I'm trying to install xubuntu on a system without CD, Floppy or network connection. However, I have an attached a CD drive via USB (which I can't boot from) and have an Ubuntu Feisty installed (by moving the HDD to another system and installing there,, but had trouble getting it to work afterwards). Any ideas?
[20:48] <Wilbur31337> I've also had trouble resizing the panes within a window.
[20:50] <Wilbur31337> Okay, Medo, give me a minute to read that a few more times.
[20:50] <Wilbur31337> lol
[20:51] <Wilbur31337> Might be easiest to just put the HD back in the other system to install again, if that is practical.
[20:51] <Medo42> I thought there was maybe a way to copy the image of the CD to hard disk and boot from that.
[20:52] <Wilbur31337> Yeah, you can, but wait a sec.
[20:52] <Wilbur31337> U can upgrade from feisty.
[20:52] <Wilbur31337> Can you mount the CD from Feisty?
[20:52] <Medo42> yes, that works.
[20:52] <Wilbur31337> then, from the console, type apt-cdrom add
[20:53] <Wilbur31337> tell me what happens
[20:53] <Wilbur31337> Oh, wait, you don't already have the dist you want on CD?
[20:54] <Medo42> I do have that. I'm just trying it out...
[20:55] <kpel> Wilbur31337: of if i have a Gutsy cd i can upgrade my feisty by running 'apt-cdrom add' ?
[20:55] <Wilbur31337> If you have xubuntu on the CD, just mount the CD, type "apt-cdrom add"
[20:55] <Medo42> Ok, he found the packages and asks me if I want to start the package manager.
[20:56] <kpel> Wilbur31337: excellent, thanks!
[20:56] <Wilbur31337> wait
[20:56] <Wilbur31337> you might want to clean up a bit before you upgrade
[20:56] <Wilbur31337> anyway, u can type "apt-get update" to refresh the package list to include the packages on the new cdrom
[20:57] <kpel> Wilbur31337: you mean clean up /var/cache/apt/archives and /tmp ?
[20:57] <Wilbur31337> I think it's apt-get clean
[20:57] <Wilbur31337> or apt-clean
[20:57] <Wilbur31337> something like that
[20:57] <kpel> ok thanks
[20:58] <Wilbur31337> type apt and hit tab a few tiomes
[20:58] <Wilbur31337> then, type "apt-get upgrade"
[20:58] <kpel> it's a parameter of apt-get, thanks
[20:58] <Wilbur31337> then, type "apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:59] <Wilbur31337> That should install the new distribution.
[20:59] <kpel> ok thanks
[20:59] <kpel> do i have to be in single user mode?
[20:59] <Wilbur31337> You just want to be careful to do it right the first time, since you cannot recover from a broken system with the setup you described, lol.
[21:01] <Wilbur31337> Not sure about the mode. The package manager should have the priveleges it needs, so I don't see why it would need to be in single mode.
[21:01] <kpel> it is ok i X11 is running during the upgrade?
[21:01] <kpel> i=if
[21:02] <Medo42> Hmmm, when I apt-get update now, it tells me "Ign cdrom://Xubuntu 7.10" etc... and "apt-get upgrade" says there's nothing tp upgrade.
[21:02] <Wilbur31337> Well, put it this way, apt will most likely unload anything it needs to during the upgrade -- BUT anything you leave running is just offering another chance for something to go wrong and land you with a broken box.
[21:03] <sadmanu> Hi guys, I have one question: Which driver do you recommend for a ati rage 128 graphics card? Thank you.
[21:03] <Wilbur31337> try "apt-get install dist-upgrade
[21:03] <kpel>  Wilbur31337: ok, thanks for the info
[21:03] <Wilbur31337> np, hope it helps
[21:03] <kpel> we'll see :)
[21:04] <Wilbur31337> Like I said, better safe than sorry. I would bring down as much as I could before upgrading.
[21:04] <Medo42> dist-upgrade won't work either.
[21:05] <Wilbur31337> Not sure about the command, u try both "apt-get dist-upgrade" and "apt-get install dist-upgrade"
[21:06] <Wilbur31337> I think it tells you how to use that option with "apt-get --help"
[21:06] <Medo42> It's just "apt-get dist-upgrade", but he just didn't add the packages fom the cd to his sources. (it's in the sources.list, but it is ignored on apt-get update)
[21:07] <emdash> kpel: is there a reason you cannot use the update manager?
[21:08] <emdash> not a great idea to run dist-upgrade unless you really know apt
[21:08] <Wilbur31337> You can also try using the GUI upgrader.  From the desktop in Feisty, go to the system menu, and there is an update manager at the bottom.
[21:09] <emdash> i would recomment that over manually running dist-upgrade
[21:09] <emdash> i have broken quite a few installs that way
[21:09] <emdash> but I know how to fix it when it breaks =P
[21:10] <emdash> the update manager hasn't failed on me yet
[21:10] <emdash> although that has more to do with being patient, and waiting for the kinks to ge worke out
[21:12] <Medo42> Well, I think I'm going to try the HDD route again. Thanks anyway ;)
[21:14] <Wilbur31337> You mean put the drive in another box to install?
[21:14] <asbani> Hello, is it possible to make the panel transparent?
[21:14] <Medo42> yes, that. It's a bit of work getting everything running, but I know it works :)
[21:14] <fromotion> can someone tell me how to fix the font encoding in terminal to display ansi correctly in bitchx? it displays when connecting through ssh but not locally.
[21:15] <asbani> Hi?
[21:16] <Wilbur31337> Asbani, have you tried right-clicking on the panel, and going into panel properties?
[21:16] <asbani> Wilbur31337, yes
[21:16] <kpel> emdash: yes, a very good reason: the update manager complains there is not enough space in my /
[21:16] <asbani> Wilbur31337, only two options there, "Dwar separator" and "Expand" Thats all
[21:16] <emdash> well in that case
[21:16] <emdash> dist upgrading is not likely to succeed iether
[21:16] <kpel> and i don't know how to tell it yo use another huge partition i have
[21:17] <emdash> well
[21:17] <Nyks> thanks again, and bye!
[21:17] <kpel> emdash: but if i have the packages on cd i won't need a large cache dir, right?
[21:17] <emdash> you can mount another partion under /tmp
[21:17] <emdash> that will help
[21:17] <kpel> so the update manager only cares about /tmp as far as storage is concerned?
[21:17] <emdash> any packages you install get cached there
[21:18] <emdash> so even if you install from cd, you need some free space in which to unpack everything
[21:18] <asbani> so it is not possible in Xubuntu?
[21:18] <kpel> emdash: i thought they were cached in /var/cache/apt/archives
[21:18] <emdash> oh, right
[21:18] <emdash> well in any case
[21:19] <emdash> you need to delete a bunch of stuff if your / is full
[21:19] <emdash> and you should check to see what the big users are
[21:19] <kpel> emdash: i always keep / small and leave plenty of space for /usr and /home.
[21:19] <emdash> sometimes system log files get too large
[21:19] <kpel> will do, thanks
[21:19] <emdash> there's also the deb-orphan utility which helps remove unecessaary programs
[21:20] <emdash> i.e. dependencies you no longer need
[21:20] <emdash> but yeah
[21:20] <Wilbur31337> Asbani, I am new to xubuntu also. I remember setting it that way in previous dists. There must be a way.
[21:20] <emdash> worst case you can install off the cdrom
[21:21] <emdash> and that will be fine
[21:21] <emdash> as long as you don't nuke /home
[21:21] <fromotion> heh
[21:21] <kpel> emdash: i want to upgrade, not install
[21:21] <asbani> Wilbur31337, yeah true. but nobody is answering me here and I can't find anything in xubuntu page about transparent
[21:21] <kpel> i don't want my /etc to be completely messed up
[21:21] <emdash> that's one reason why i allways keep /home as a separate partition
[21:21] <emdash> because i can tell the insaller not to touch it
[21:21] <emdash> everything else is really secondary to my personal data
[21:22] <emdash> but everything else under / is basically disposible
[21:23] <kpel> emdash: agreed, but the secondary things need time too. and i wouldn't want to have to spend time reconfiguring everything. unless reconfiguration is as easy as in windows (which it isn't)
[21:24] <emdash> as long as you keep your home directory
[21:25] <emdash> all your config files for the programs you care about w will be preserved
[21:25] <kpel> it's not the programs only
[21:25] <emdash> if you want to back up /etc/, you might as well
[21:25] <emdash> it's not a big directory
[21:25] <asbani> Can sombody help me. I'm also trying to add a keyboard layout language, everytime I do that. then click OK. I go to the keyboard layout switcher and its not there, I go back to "Keyboard settings" and its removed.
[21:26] <emdash> have you tried logging out?
[21:26] <kpel> exactly, i have /etc, some development tools for arm and maemo, some stuff i built in /usr/local... they pile up :)
[21:27] <Wilbur31337> I'd be careful about which /etc files you preserve though, the new dist might expect a different format for some config files.
[21:28] <asbani> emdash, you telling me?
[21:28] <emdash> yes
[21:29] <sadmanu> Does anybody know how to disable anti-aliased fonts in firefox 2?
[21:29] <emdash> kpel: yeah, what he said
[21:30] <emdash> kpel: back everything up, but don't restore the whole diretory. do it as you require
[21:31] <kpel> emdash: been there, done that a few tiems back inmy slackware years. and that's why i try to avoid it :)
[21:31] <emdash> you'll figure it out hen
[21:31] <Wilbur31337> and save backups of anything you replace "mv foo.conf foo.conf.bak"
[21:31] <kpel> emdash: i will, eventually. the point though was to do it painlessly. oh well... maybe in the future the update manager will become clever and configurable.
[21:31] <Wilbur31337> or "cp foo.conf foo.conf.bak" if you want to edit the original
[21:32] <emdash> anyways, long story short: update manager is the way to go
[21:33] <emdash> in the future, make / bigger =P
[21:33] <kpel> that's a horrible waste of space
[21:33] <kpel> making the software smarter is a much more elegant solution.
[21:33] <emdash> i give it about 9 gb
[21:33] <kpel> 3.7G here
[21:33] <emdash> leaving 90gb for everything else
[21:34] <emdash> that's a tight sqeeze
[21:34] <emdash> that's what you signed up for
[21:34] <kpel> well if you believe the ubuntu installer, 2G should be enough :)
[21:34] <kpel> but obvisouly the installer was full of crap
[21:34] <emdash> right, but you have to compromise
[21:34] <emdash> you can't install the whole distribution and expect to be able to dist-upgrade
[21:35] <kpel> the whole distribution is installed mainly in /usr
[21:35] <kpel> which is a separate patition
[21:35] <emdash> besides, i think the 2GB refers to the official, supported software not the community maintained software (of which there is much, mumch more)
[21:35] <emdash> oh
[21:36] <emdash> i didn't bother to separate
[21:36] <emdash> just /home
[21:36] <Wilbur31337> em, he is not networked, he can only install what is on the CD.
[21:37] <Wilbur31337> He's not going to get a 10GB system from a single CD.
[21:37] <emdash> true
[21:38] <emdash> i'm actually using only bout 3.3g of / according to df -h
[21:38] <Wilbur31337> I just installed just about everything on the alternate CD on a PC here with a 2.4GB HD, and have >600MB left free.
[21:39] <Wilbur31337> Installing any more at this point would only break and remove other packages.
[21:39] <emdash> but that wouldn't be enough space to run a dist-upgrade, would it?
[21:39] <emdash> that's all i'm saying
[21:39] <Wilbur31337> Not sure about that.
[21:39] <emdash> you have to leave some working room
[21:39] <Wilbur31337> Of course. Where else would all the porn go?
[21:40] <Wilbur31337> >:o
[21:40] <emdash> in /home/emdash/porn =P
[21:40] <Wilbur31337> ha ha ha
[21:40] <Wilbur31337> okay
[21:40] <kpel> i have 520M working room in / but apparently it's not enough. oh well...
[21:40] <emdash> it's things like thatt  which make me wonder if lvm is worth the haassle
[21:41] <Wilbur31337> can't u specify the other partition as the package cache?
[21:41] <emdash> pry
[21:41] <emdash> but i do't know how
[21:41] <emdash> maybe in /etc/apt/preferences
[21:42] <emdash> or at the very least, you could flush the package cache and mount the partition under /var/...
[21:42] <kpel> there is no such thing
[21:42] <Wilbur31337> I'm pretty sure you can even pass a command line parameter, so as to use that partition only for the dist-upgrade, then resume using the normal cache.
[21:43] <Wilbur31337> As specifying a different cache location, or using another partition as the cache?
[21:43] <kpel> currently i'm thinking of mounting a partition somewhere under /var  or creating a symlink named cache that points where the big partition is mounted
[21:44] <emdash> there's definitely a confi item for it
[21:44] <emdash> according to the man page
[21:44] <emdash>           Dir::Cache::Archives.
[21:44] <emdash>           Dir::Cache::Archives.
[21:44] <emdash> gar
[21:45] <emdash> and instead of preferences
[21:45] <Wilbur31337> bbl, good luck all, and thanks for all the help!
[21:45] <emdash> it's apparently /etc/apt/apt-conf.d
[21:46] <emdash> so the config is split into multiple files
[21:47] <kpel> and none of these includes the string "cache" :)
[21:47] <kpel> oh well, it'll probably be the symlink way
[21:51] <emdash> kpel: just add the line
[21:51] <emdash> kpel: it will override the default
[21:52] <kpel> and that line is? ...
[21:54] <emdash> Dir::Cache::Archives
[21:54] <emdash> man apt.conf
[21:57] <kpel> k thanks
[21:57] <emdash> my guess is you just need Dir::Cache::Archives "somedir";
[21:59] <kpel> / Location of the cache dir
[21:59] <kpel>   Cache "var/cache/apt/" {
[22:00] <kpel> ok found it in an example in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples
[22:03] <asbani> Hi.
[22:03] <asbani> I'm in a transparent terminal, but I don't really see the underneath things, always I see the background as the transparent. why is that
[22:04] <emdash> pseudotransparancy
[22:04] <asbani> emdash, ?
[22:04] <emdash> unless you are using a compositing window manager, it won't be transparant
[22:04] <emdash> transparent
[22:05] <asbani> emdash, what do I need to install pls, im kinda new
[22:05] <emdash> and even then, only some terminals support real transparancy
[22:05] <emdash> it's rather a complicated task
[22:05] <emdash> depends on your window manager and graphics card
[22:06] <emdash> i'm assuming you're using xfce
[22:07] <asbani> yes using xfce.
[22:08] <asbani> My graphic card support it. because i was in gnome ubuntu, and I could transparent panels & transparent terminal- I can be in terminal and watching browser in the background of it, but here in xfce i cant.
[22:08] <emdash> mkay
[22:08] <emdash> it works similar to how it does in gnome
[22:08] <asbani> so what do i need to install
[22:08] <emdash> what graphics card?
[22:08] <emdash> and what terminal
[22:09] <asbani> nvidia gforce 7500 GS
[22:09] <asbani> here in xfce i'm using default "Terminal"
[22:09] <asbani> and in gnome i used default "terminal" too
[22:09] <emdash> so you need to install the restricted graphics driver using the restricted driver manager
[22:09] <asbani> emdash, I did already
[22:09] <emdash> and it needs to be enabled
[22:09] <asbani> it is enabled
[22:10] <emdash> then all you should need to do is enable compositing
[22:10] <emdash> but i forget exactly how
[22:10] <emdash> it's in one of the settings control panels though
[22:11] <asbani> desktop effects maybe?
[22:11] <emdash> something like that
[22:11] <emdash> google for it
[22:11] <asbani> google is for gay ppl
[22:11] <emdash> just make sure you really have accelerated graphics
[22:11] <asbani> i was kidding
[22:11] <emdash> that's extremley offensive
[22:12] <asbani> where is desktop effects in xfce :(
[22:12] <emdash> dunno
[22:12] <emdash> i had to disable it
[22:12] <emdash> i forgot
[22:12] <emdash> but it dodn't work so well in 7.04 on my thinkpad
[22:13] <emdash> i'll try again when the update to gutsy completes
[22:13] <emdash> but like i said
[22:13] <emdash> google
[22:13] <asbani> im in gutsy:)
[22:13] <emdash> because there's at least one ubuntu forums tarticle on this topic
[22:14] <asbani> damn i wish i install ubuntu, not xubuntu
[22:14] <asbani> xubuntu is slow
[22:15] <kpel> just wait until you see ununtu :P
[22:15] <kpel> ubuntu, rather
[22:18] <asbani> i was in ubuntu half hour ago...
[22:19] <asbani> and in the last week too. gnome all the way and ubuntu was awesome
[22:19] <graelb> Hi there, does anyone here use hamachi?
[22:21] <ice109> anyone in here?
[22:28] <qwerkus> hi all
[22:28] <ice109> my panel doesn't launch on startup anymore
[22:28] <ice109> and i can't shutdown from it
[22:28] <ice109> can you help me?
[22:28] <qwerkus> hehe
[22:29] <qwerkus> seems I'm not the only one experiencing dist-upgrade problems
[22:29] <qwerkus> ....
[22:29] <qwerkus> ice109: which panel are you talking about ?
[22:29] <ice109> xfce panel
[22:29] <qwerkus> and works by manual launch ?
[22:30] <ice109> yes i can manual launch but you the know the exit button , the red arrow into the door?
[22:30] <ice109> it's no longer a shutdown,restart, etc button
[22:30] <ice109> it a quit xfce panel butto
[22:30] <ice109> n
[22:30] <qwerkus> well
[22:30] <qwerkus> what about configuring your panel buttons ?
[22:31] <ice109> um i can only change it from quit to lock screen or quit + lock screen
[22:32] <qwerkus> frankly: i modded my own button-set
[22:32] <qwerkus> don t really see where your problem is...
[22:32] <ice109> i can't shutdown
[22:32] <qwerkus> xfce4-session-logout
[22:33] <ice109> how do i make the button do that?
[22:33] <qwerkus> just right click
[22:33] <qwerkus> add a button
[22:33] <qwerkus> and enter "xfce4-session-logout" in command executed
[22:33] <ice109> ahh i just realized xfce4-session isn't running
[22:33] <ice109> only panel
[22:33] <qwerkus> hehe
[22:34] <qwerkus> how did you log in ?
[22:34] <ice109> the desktop just came up
[22:34] <ice109> no session
[22:34] <qwerkus> eh ?
[22:34] <qwerkus> no login screen ?
[22:34] <ice109> no panel i mean
[22:35] <ice109> nope
[22:35] <ice109> nothing
[22:35] <ice109> i have my prefs to autologin
[22:35] <qwerkus> you didn t enter a pass
[22:35] <qwerkus> aaah
[22:35] <ice109> some kind of bug?
[22:35] <qwerkus> don t think so
[22:35] <qwerkus> rather a buggy install
[22:35] <qwerkus> well
[22:36] <qwerkus> but under ubuntu, buggy install = bug
[22:36] <qwerkus> hehe
[22:36] <ice109> brb
[22:36] <qwerkus> hey, anyone alive in here ?
[22:37] <wyrd> yo
[22:37] <qwerkus> nice
[22:37] <qwerkus> the gutsy update just crashed over here
[22:37] <qwerkus> and i would like to know where the log files are hidden ...
[22:38] <wyrd> erm
[22:38] <wyrd> let me have a look
[22:38] <qwerkus> thanks
[22:39] <Mark76> What's a good partitioner for a Windows XP computer?
[22:39] <qwerkus> under linux or m$ ?
[22:40] <qwerkus> Mark76 ?
[22:40] <slow-motion> good night
[22:40] <wyrd> http://gparted.sourceforge.net/ might work
[22:40] <wyrd> not tried it but it seems to have a good reputation
[22:41] <Mark76> Will it work on XP, Wyrd?
[22:41] <wyrd> not sure
[22:41] <Mark76> Hmm
[22:41] <wyrd> have a red of the website
[22:41] <Mark76> I did
[22:41] <wyrd> XP uses either FAT32 or NTFS
[22:42] <wyrd> qwerkus, try /var/log/dpkg.log
[22:42] <qwerkus> k
[22:42] <TheSheep> Mark76: why do you need a partitioner for windows? use the one on linux
[22:42] <Mark76> I don't. My friend does
[22:43] <Mark76> Or she will
[22:43] <Mark76> Once I've talked her into downloading Xubuntu
[22:43] <Mark76> :)
[22:45] <qwerkus> hhm: looks like i stopped at the update-manager upgrading
[22:45] <qwerkus> Is there a way to resume the process ?
[22:45] <qwerkus> (dist-upgrade)
[22:46] <wyrd> Mark76, i always install linux on to an entirely new hard disc, i've had problems in the past
[22:46] <wyrd> qwerkus, not sure
[22:46] <qwerkus> mist
[22:46] <Mark76> She wants to keep Windows for gaming
[22:46] <qwerkus> Mark76: under m$, i partition with Partition magic
[22:47] <wyrd> doesn't that cost?
[22:47] <qwerkus> yup: a lot
[22:47] <ice109> my computer is so messed up now
[22:47] <wyrd> Mark76, you can run the 2 drives together and choose linux or windows at boot
[22:47] <ice109> qwerkus
[22:47] <wyrd> but without any risk to your windows drive
[22:47] <ice109> anyone
[22:47] <qwerkus> yup
[22:48] <qwerkus> step after step:
[22:48] <ice109> ?
[22:48] <ice109> you talking to me?
[22:48] <qwerkus> what is the first thing you find messed up ?
[22:48] <qwerkus> yup
[22:48] <ice109> first xfce panel wasn't working
[22:48] <qwerkus> "was"
[22:48] <ice109> so i ran xfce4-panel
[22:48] <ice109> wasn't
[22:48] <ice109> then i realized xfce session wasn't running either
[22:48] <ice109> so i ran that
[22:49] <ice109> and i got two copies of everything
[22:49] <qwerkus> you mean each time your reboot, xfce doesn t start properly ?
[22:49] <ice109> before
[22:49] <ice109> now something different
[22:49] <ice109> now when i boot xfce seems to be running a session that i've never used before
[22:49] <ice109> i have no icons
[22:49] <ice109> no workspaces
[22:49] <ice109> and worst of all no window manager
[22:50] <wyrd> qwerkus, have you tried just running dist upgrade again?
[22:50] <qwerkus> yup
[22:50] <Mark76> xubuntu requires less than 2gigs of HDD space, right?
[22:50] <ice109> so i have panel but i can't right click the desktop or anything and there's nothing there
[22:50] <qwerkus> wyrd: yes, but fails with that damn update_manager
[22:50] <TheSheep> Mark76: no, it needs more during install
[22:51] <qwerkus>  ice109: reinstall xfce-desktop
[22:51] <TheSheep> Mark76: it cane run on 2 later
[22:51] <qwerkus> (not sure this is the right packet)
[22:51] <wyrd> what's the error?
[22:52] <wyrd> try apt-get install -f update_manager
[22:52] <qwerkus> k
[22:53] <qwerkus> aaah
[22:53] <qwerkus> i have connection problems
[22:53] <wyrd> ahh
[22:53] <wyrd> k
[22:54] <qwerkus> i takes year to connect to the depots
[22:54] <qwerkus> maybe i have to update my source.lst
[22:54] <Acorn02> hello all... im trying to get enlightenment windows manager thingy...  but im a complete newb that doenst know where to start? can anyone help
[22:54] <wyrd> pastebin it, if you want, and i'll have a look
[22:54] <qwerkus> k
[22:56] <qwerkus> i got two files now
[22:57] <qwerkus> http://qwerkus.free.fr/sources.list
[22:57] <qwerkus> and
[22:57] <qwerkus> http://qwerkus.free.fr/sources.list.distUpgrade
[22:58] <qwerkus> wyrd: any idea ?
[22:58] <wyrd> that looks ok to me
[22:59] <wyrd> can you ping the repo?
[23:00] <qwerkus> (trying)
[23:00] <ice109> i can't find xfce desktop in the package manager
[23:01] <qwerkus>  ice109: checked it: under
[23:01] <qwerkus> well
[23:02] <qwerkus> wyrd: you mean simple "ping -5 http://archive.ubuntu.com"
[23:02] <qwerkus> ?
[23:02] <ice109> can someone help me
[23:02] <ice109> my xfce is all messed up
[23:02] <qwerkus> ice109: was just answering when you left ...
[23:02] <wyrd> ping fr.archive.ubuntu.com
[23:02] <ice109> i had to
[23:02] <ice109> but sorry
[23:02] <ice109> yea i can't find xfce desktop in package manager
[23:02] <qwerkus> I said: under ubuntu there is a meta package
[23:03] <qwerkus> calle xfce4
[23:03] <qwerkus> *called
[23:03] <qwerkus> i would advice to reinstall
[23:03] <qwerkus> it
[23:03] <ice109> hm seems like it was never installed
[23:03] <qwerkus> heh
[23:03] <qwerkus> go for it
[23:04] <qwerkus> wyrd: yes, ping is working
[23:04] <ice109> well i checked install but apply is grayed out
[23:04] <wyrd> and it still takes ages to contact with apt?
[23:04] <qwerkus> wyrd: yes
[23:04] <hyper___ch> does AppArmor block port 25 (ssh)?
[23:04] <ice109> so i still can't install because i can't hit apply
[23:04] <wyrd> how odd
[23:04] <ice109> should i use apt-get?
[23:05] <qwerkus> ice109: open console and type "apt-get install xfce4"
[23:05] <wyrd> ice109, i'd advice against mixing aptitude with apt
[23:05] <qwerkus> (in sudo)
[23:05] <wyrd> unless it's improved
[23:05] <ice109> ok i'm getting conflicting advice
[23:05] <wyrd> not used it inaround 4 years
[23:05] <wyrd> sorry
[23:05] <qwerkus> wyrd: you think he should go via synaptics ?
[23:06] <wyrd> it used to b the case
[23:06] <ice109> ok i installed the metapackage
[23:06] <wyrd> it didn't break anything
[23:06] <ice109> restart?
[23:06] <qwerkus> yes
[23:06] <wyrd> but could make the tickboxes weird
[23:06] <wyrd> if i remember rightly
[23:06] <ice109> yes to me qwerkus?
[23:06] <qwerkus> yes to you
[23:06] <Tombar> ice109: you cant use aptitude and synaptics at the same time just close synaptics and try sudo aptitude install xfce
[23:07] <qwerkus> well
[23:07] <qwerkus> just learnt something
[23:07] <Tombar> he leaves...
[23:07] <qwerkus> apt is NOT aptitude
[23:07] <qwerkus> some details, perhaps ?
[23:07] <qwerkus> (i m from gentoo)
[23:07] <wyrd> i meant synaptics when i said aptitude
[23:07] <wyrd> me too
[23:08] <Tombar> anyone here using a sony laptop? im quite lost trying to get my fn key to work
[23:08] <qwerkus> wyrd: let's get crucified: GENTOO ROCKS !
[23:09] <wyrd> wooooo
[23:09] <wyrd> lets waste time compilein'
[23:09] <qwerkus> agree
[23:09] <wyrd> i only use it as i like it's runlevels, sorry
[23:09] <qwerkus> that's why I switched to ubuntu
[23:09] <ice109> still nothing
[23:09] <wyrd> i used to have it on my old lappy
[23:09] <wyrd> but it took too long compiling to bother with
[23:10] <qwerkus>  ice109: you sure you use the same account ?
[23:10] <ice109> please tell me in settings under autostarted applications if i should have xfce-session
[23:10] <ice109> yes of course
[23:10] <wyrd> still use it on my server though
[23:10] <qwerkus> (whoami)
[23:10] <qwerkus> wyrd: but it's nice to make some tests
[23:11] <wyrd> tests?
[23:11] <qwerkus> yup: on-the-edge stuff
[23:11] <antares79> hi there
[23:11] <ice109> fixed
[23:11] <wyrd> ah yes
[23:11] <qwerkus> like compiz 2 years ago
[23:11] <wyrd> i  see
[23:11] <ice109> for some reason xfce wasn't managing my desktop
[23:11] <qwerkus> :)
[23:11] <qwerkus>  ice109: gnome problem ?
[23:11] <wyrd> you should try debian, i believe they're still stuck on csh :P
[23:11] <ice109> i have no idea
[23:12] <antares79> guys, i need a cluebat
[23:12] <ice109> no if i want to make sure that this works from now on
[23:12] <ice109> but i don't want to save session
[23:12] <ice109> what do i do
[23:12] <qwerkus>  wyrd: don t laugh: i know it well from freebee
[23:12] <ice109> brb
[23:12] <antares79> where the heck do you configure your xfce-tasklist to use more than one row of buttons?
[23:13] <qwerkus> antares79: you mean the panels ?
[23:13] <antares79> yes
[23:13] <qwerkus> never tried to get two rows
[23:13] <antares79> or rather, now... i mean, the xfce4-tasklist plugin
[23:13] <qwerkus> but perhaps just two panels on uppon another
[23:13] <qwerkus> :)
[23:14] <antares79> no, i just want that one plugin to use two rows... it was working on feisty... today i upgraded to gutsy and it broke :-/
[23:14] <qwerkus> what's the name of your plugin ?
[23:15] <antares79> Task list
[23:15] <qwerkus> sry
[23:15] <qwerkus> never tried this one
[23:16] <antares79> np. thx though
[23:18] <qwerkus> wyrd: YEESS; connection succeeded, packet list has been upgraded
[23:18] <wyrd> horray
[23:18] <qwerkus> let's admit it: some fancy admin around there is filtering out french ips, don't he ?
[23:20] <wyrd> well, you can't let just anyone have access to your repo
[23:21] <wyrd> s
[23:21] <wyrd> :P
[23:21] <qwerkus> i knew it
[23:22] <qwerkus> well: now every .deb is up to date; is there something else that should be checked to complete the dist-upgrade ?
[23:22] <qwerkus> (kernel has been replaced successfully)
[23:22] <wyrd> erm
[23:22] <wyrd> not sure
[23:34] <qwerkus> Does someone know about beryl/emerald ?
[23:35] <qwerkus> since gutsy upgrade, i'm experiencing following error: "beryl: decoration: property ignored because version is 20070319 and decoration plugin version is 20061011"
[23:36] <qwerkus> no windows decos
[23:39] <Acorn02> ummm im downloading E17 and i got stuck at this what it says Now type 'make' ('gmake' on some systems) to compile evas,
[23:39] <Acorn02> and then afterwards as root (or the user who will install this), type
[23:39] <Acorn02> 'make install'. Change users with 'su' or 'sudo' appropriately.
[23:39] <Acorn02> after i type make... then what
[23:39] <qwerkus> since gutsy upgrade, i'm experiencing following error: "beryl: decoration: property ignored because version is 20070319 and decoration plugin version is 20061011"; any ideas ?
[23:41] <qwerkus> (sry for double post: wrong applet :) )
[23:44] <Acorn02> any ideas ppl?
[23:44] <Acorn02> what should i do... and whats root
[23:46] <Mark76> Why would a CD-RW on a Windows machine stop working?
[23:48] <tombar> got a big trouble, maybe someone can help me a bit: i clean install xubuntu710 on my laptop and my Fn key is just not working, it use to work on kubuntu 7.04 + xfce, i have looked at it and its seems xubuntu instalation just dont install something i need to get my keys to work, i download the module but i just cant get it to work
[23:49] <tombar> by the way my laptop is a sony vaio, anyone here have a clue?
[23:49] <Mark76> What's a Fn key?
[23:49] <Acorn02> tombar...... uninstall it and then reinstall and try ur keys if it works? idk what ur saying but i got my own confusing stuff
[23:49] <tombar> function key
[23:49] <Mark76> Ah
[23:49] <Acorn02> tombar if u can help me i can help u
[23:49] <Mark76> I don't have one of those :(
[23:49] <Acorn02> can u figure out my problem above
[23:50] <tombar> Acorn02: i guess 2007319 and 20061011 are dates of releases/subversion
[23:50] <Acorn02> thats not mine..... those are qwerks
[23:51] <tombar> Acorn02: i guess 2007319 and 20061011 are dates of releases/subversion/
[23:51] <tombar> oww, sorry..
[23:52] <tombar> i installed e17 on my desktop without any trouble on festy. let me look for the guide i follow, maybe it would help you
[23:52] <Acorn02> lol thx
[23:53] <Mark76> e17 confuses me
[23:53] <Mark76> Is it a DE or a WM?
[23:53] <Acorn02> wm
[23:54] <Mark76> There should be a light weight version of Ubuntu that lets you choose your WM at install
[23:57] <Acorn02> tombar..... find anything