[16:06] <MarkDude> Does anyone object to me responding to the doctoral student about *Looking for interviewees: Women in Free and Open Source  Development*? Im not sure there are any volunteers for the *unicorn interview* .Of course I would not be speaking for UW, and would only be offering my personal opinion
[16:08] <MarkDude> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-women/2012-May/003508.html
[17:50] <pleia2> meeting in 10 minutes :)
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[18:00] <pleia2> who all is here for the meeting? :)
[18:00] <Deindre> I'm
[18:01] <pleia2> #link http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/Agenda
[18:01] <akk> o/
[18:01] <Cheri703> o/
[18:01] <pleia2> #topic Quantal Blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-women.org/+spec/community-q-ubuntu-women-project-goals
[18:02] <pleia2> I think we may just breeze through this one since I haven't had a chance to update it yet, and instead just go on to what was discussed at UDS (since that will flesh out this blueprint)
[18:02] <pleia2> so that's where we will add our action items for the cycle once we're talked about them now :)
[18:03] <pleia2> #topic Discuss UDS and action items
[18:03] <maco> wow i have good timing
[18:03] <pleia2> I've uploaded notes from our session here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lyz/uds-q/4-community-q-ubuntu-women-project-goals
[18:03] <Cheri703> added career days to agenda
[18:04] <pleia2> Cheri703: need us to talk about that now?
[18:04] <pleia2> (I know you have a tight schedule today)
[18:04] <Cheri703> no, I have ~30ish minutes
[18:04] <pleia2> ok
[18:04] <pleia2> #link http://people.ubuntu.com/~lyz/uds-q/4-community-q-ubuntu-women-project-goals
[18:04] <pleia2> so this has a bunch of action items at the bottom that we will move to the blueprint
[18:05] <pleia2> too many of those have "lyz" on them :)
[18:06] <Cheri703> I can help with the search result research, with some parameters on what we're looking for/how to document
[18:06] <pleia2> Cheri703: great!
[18:07] <pleia2> #action Cheri703 to take  Look into visibility online (how high in search results for terms like "Ubuntu")
[18:07] <meetingology> ACTION: Cheri703 to take  Look into visibility online (how high in search results for terms like "Ubuntu")
[18:07] <Cheri703> now that google gives "custom" results, it is hard to gauge
[18:07] <pleia2> yeah
[18:08] <pleia2> in addition to those tasks, we also need someone to take on leading up the redevelopment of the wordpress blog
[18:08] <akk> Do custom results differ much if you use a clean profile, or disallow cookies?
[18:08] <pleia2> akk: yeah, they are also location based
[18:08] <Cheri703> not sure akk, I'll play with it
[18:08] <akk> sigh, google
[18:09] <Cheri703> I'd also be happy to work with others on the "promoting the project" task
[18:09] <pleia2> search results were just an example, we're looking for general visibility everywhere
[18:09] <pleia2> edubuntu.org now links to us :) yay them!
[18:09] <Cheri703> woo!
[18:10] <AlanBell> I am happy to assist someone else on whatever the Ada Lovelace thing turns out to be
[18:10] <pleia2> so http://findingada.com/ is going to be on October 16th this year
[18:11] <pleia2> thanks AlanBell, we do need a primary on this though if we want to do another competition or something
[18:11] <pleia2> last year we did the Month of Making: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Events/Competitions/AdaLovelace
[18:12] <pleia2> we've also done in the past stories and photo competitions: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Events/Competitions/InternationalWomensDay http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Events/Competitions/WorldPlayDay
[18:13] <pleia2> we can follow up on this closer to the date I guess :)
[18:13] <pleia2> anyone else see anything on the tasks they may be able to contribute to?
[18:14] <pleia2> or questions about any of them?
[18:15] <maco> as to mentoring, while i'm not doing ubuntu dev anymore, i still remember how it goes, so if anyone wants to try it and you'd like your patches/packages to have a once-over before you send them to be sponsored, i'm happy to help
[18:16] <pleia2> maco: you rock :)
[18:16] <MarkDude> \o late for meeting
[18:16] <pleia2> the mentoring discussion was interesting at UDS
[18:17] <pleia2> last cycle akgraner did some research into a couple styles of mentoring, what we do today (more casual people ask questions and mentors are somewhat self-selected and help out as needed) vs matching people up on tables
[18:18] <maco> elky was asking me to once-over her patch and explain the SRU process last week, but nobody else in the group has poked me (including someone who says they want to get back into it *side-eyes pleia2*) so figured i'd put that out there
[18:18] <pleia2> she discovered the latter didn't work great, and certainly pans out based on our experience, I don't think anyone in the history of the project has found a mentor by adding themselves or picking someone from a table on our wiki :)
[18:18] <pleia2> maco: so much to do, so little time :)
[18:19] <pleia2> at our discussion at UDS, paulproteus mentioned a third type of mentoring: very specific projects put out there that people can volunteer to help with
[18:19]  * paulproteus waves
[18:19] <pleia2> so "I have this task, and will mentor anyone who wants to do it"
[18:19] <pleia2> hi there :)
[18:19] <paulproteus> Uh oh, I may be held accountable for my words
[18:19]  * paulproteus hides
[18:19] <pleia2> this seems like a good direction for our mentoring program to go
[18:19] <pleia2> hehe
[18:20] <pleia2> while at UDS, I was in an accessibility session where they said they needed more able folks to test accessibility features, so I think that would be a great place for us to start with this
[18:20]  * pleia2 has an action item from them to create a page on our wiki :)
[18:21] <pleia2> so I figure we start there to get this rolling
[18:22] <pleia2> that's pretty much all I've got as far as UDS and our plans go
[18:22] <pleia2> my name is still next to a bunch of tasks, but I'll reach out to the list too with more details on items to see if I can muster further interest
[18:22] <paulproteus> OpenHatch would appreciate if you call your specific-task mentorship events "Starling Bounties" <https://openhatch.org/wiki/Starling>
[18:23] <paulproteus> That way, the world can search the web for [starling bounty] in the future and find examples of this outreach strategy across a few projects
[18:23] <pleia2> cool
[18:24] <pleia2> paulproteus: once I have a draft page I'll be in touch to review
[18:24] <paulproteus> b
[18:24] <paulproteus> (thumbs up)
[18:24] <paulproteus> BTW, maco, and all others in the channel: you do in fact rock
[18:25] <pleia2> ok, anyone feel free to follow up with me after the meeting if you have any questions about anything from UDS
[18:25] <pleia2> #topic Career Days
[18:25] <pleia2> Cheri703: all yours!
[18:26] <Cheri703> So last month we had an awesome session by Emma Marshall (system76chick), and we need more volunteers!
[18:26] <Cheri703> I'm pretty much always looking for people, so definitely feel free to toss your name in the hat! Also, we had a successful mid-week session, so various times/days are possible, we can work around your schedule!
[18:27] <pleia2> Cheri703: I got at least one name at UDS, I'll forward over her contact details so you can follow-up
[18:27] <Cheri703> awesome
[18:27] <Cheri703> Men and Women are welcome to present a session as well, just as reference
[18:29] <pleia2> thanks Cheri703
[18:29] <Cheri703> ok, if no one has any questions/thoughts on it, I have about 10 minutes before I'm out the door for work, I'll check back in, but I have to get ready!
[18:29] <pleia2> :)
[18:29] <pleia2> #topic Comments, questions, anything else?
[18:30] <pleia2> (in general, before we wrap up the meeting)
[18:30] <maco> It's that time of year again when I remind everyone in the Eastern / Mid-Western US that Ohio LinuxFest's call for proposals is open
[18:30] <maco> https://ohiolinux.org/
[18:30] <maco> Wendy Seltzer is keynoting. She's an awesome tech-lawyer
[18:30] <pleia2> cool
[18:30] <maco> and the Diversity in Open Source workshop is happening again this year
[18:32] <pleia2> thanks maco
[18:32] <pleia2> anything else, anyone?
[18:35] <pleia2> ok, thanks everyone :)
[18:35] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[18:35] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu May 17 18:35:46 2012 UTC.
[18:35] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-women-project/2012/ubuntu-women-project.2012-05-17-18.00.moin.txt
[18:35] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-women-project/2012/ubuntu-women-project.2012-05-17-18.00.html
[18:39] <Deindre> thanks pleia2 :)
[21:15] <elky> maco, it's in -proposed now btw :D
[21:15] <maco> elky: i saw


[05:23] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:05] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:32] <ducasse> morning folks
[07:43] <marcoagpinto> Heya!
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> EoflaOE: awake?
[08:21] <EoflaOE> Yes lotuspsychje
[08:21] <lotuspsychje> EoflaOE: got a proposal for an UWN article about making #ubuntu-bugs-announce more popular, maybe suggest to the UWN team?
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> EoflaOE: maybe if we mention, more users find their way up there
[08:22] <EoflaOE> lotuspsychje: Yes.
[08:24] <marcoagpinto> my dear beloved brothers! >:)
[08:24] <EoflaOE> hi marcoagpinto
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> hi marcola
[08:24] <marcoagpinto> Hi
[08:25] <lotuspsychje> lol
[08:43] <lordievader> 👋
[08:44] <EoflaOE> hi lordievader
[08:46] <lordievader> Hey EoflaOE How are you doing?
[08:47] <EoflaOE> Doing fine. How about you?
[09:17] <lordievader> Doing good here :)
[09:39] <marcoagpinto> ahhh... on my research for the warfare eras I learned that the ancient warfare ended with the finding of iron :)
[09:41] <TJ-> Here's an interesting issue for you: Been seeing the reaction to an external Bluetooth mouse being stuttering movement for a few days, despite opening up the mouse several times looking for problems. A BT-connected keyboard/touchpad didn't have the same problem. The BT hub is connected internally on USB. This PC (Asus T300CHI transgormer) has a single USB3.0 mini connector on the side. This has two
[09:41] <TJ-> connectors (USB2 mini + USB3 mini) as one so there is backward compatibility. For some time the USB3 side has been flakey because as far as I can tell physical leverage has broken the solder traces to the mainboard. I usually have a USB3 mini to USB-A adapter connected even when no USB device is plugged in. Today I had inspiration and unplugged the adapter (a passive cable) and the BT mouse instantly
[09:41] <TJ-> behaved properly. So.. physical damage on the edge connector causes internal spurious USB interference.
[09:42] <marcoagpinto> guys?! Has the Kernel issue been fixed?
[09:42] <marcoagpinto> :)
[09:42] <marcoagpinto> so that I can update my 19.04?
[09:43] <lordievader> marcoagpinto: The kernel issue?
[09:43] <marcoagpinto> V 15 something
[09:43] <marcoagpinto> :)
[09:44] <lordievader> What?
[09:44] <marcoagpinto> that people were complaining a week or two ago
[09:44] <marcoagpinto> :)
[09:44] <marcoagpinto> 5.0.15
[09:44] <marcoagpinto> Buaaaaaaaaa... I can't remember the version... too much pressure
[09:44] <lordievader> This really tells me nothing. Link to a bugreport?
[09:45] <marcoagpinto> lordievader: people were complaining that if would freeze Ubuntu
[09:45] <marcoagpinto> it*
[09:45] <marcoagpinto> or cause flickering in the screen
[09:45] <lordievader> lotuspsychje: Do you know what bug marcoagpinto is talking about, and if it has been fixed?
[09:46] <jeremy31> I know lotuspsychje had flickering on a Clevo
[09:48] <lordievader> Yeah, I remember him talking about that.
[09:57] <jeremy31> I have the same graphics card in this HP and no flickering with the same kernel
[10:17] <marcoagpinto> what is this "waiting for unattended-upg to exit"?
[10:17] <marcoagpinto> it takes 10 minutes to disappear?
[10:17] <marcoagpinto> on software updater
[10:41] <lordievader> Unattended upgrades busy with performing updates?
[10:45] <lotuspsychje> lordievader jeremy31 tomreyn found a workaround for my flickering bug 5.0 see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe/+bug/1838644
[10:46] <lordievader> marcoagpinto: ^
[10:57] <marcoagpinto> lordievader: yes, exactly
[10:57] <marcoagpinto> :)
[10:57] <marcoagpinto> sorry... I went to the store to buy cola... I ran out of stock
[11:22] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: I've added some info to your flicker bug report
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> tnx TJ- you want me to try a 4.19 mainline then?
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> 4.18 is confirmed working
[11:24] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: it would help yes, since if you can confirm the issue is between the 2 a git bisect across those commits would not need a lot of steps
[11:25] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: allrighty lets grab a 4.19
[11:26] <TJ->  git bisect start v4.19 v4.18 -- drivers/gpu/drm/i915
[11:26] <TJ-> Bisecting: 273 revisions left to test after this (roughly 8 steps)
[11:27] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: alot of folder on the 4.19 series, wich one to start?
[11:28] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: v4.19   -- the first
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.19-rc1/ this?
[11:29] <TJ-> no, that's a release candidate. https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.9/
[11:29] <lotuspsychje> kk
[11:29] <TJ-> oops, not that one !!
[11:29] <TJ-> that's 4.9 noto 4.19 :D
[11:29] <TJ-> https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.19/
[11:29] <lotuspsychje> on it
[11:30] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: the upstream bug suggests it affects 4.19 onwards so if you can confirm that we're much closer to finding the cause
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> i can still use the i915.fastboot=0 bootline right
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> ok reboot test
[11:38] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: 4.19 also flickering, i presume thats what you wanted to prove right?
[12:11] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: fab, yes :)
[12:12] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: do you have a local (powerful) amd64 system to do kernel builds on? It'd make it much easier and faster to do these tests since you could do your own bisect and kernel builds
[12:13] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:13] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: intel i5 here, and my nuc i7
[12:14] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: the i5 would be a good one... after the first complete build (which will take some time) later builds will be incremental so should be much quicker
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: is it 4.19 bisect time, thats what you suggest?
[12:15] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: bisect between v4.19 (bad) and v4.18 (good) just using the drivers/gpu/drm/i915 path
[12:16] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: is that intel-drm daily builds you mean for 4.19 specific then?
[12:20] <EoflaOE> What is "bisect"?
[12:20] <marcoagpinto> EoflaOE: compare the source code between versions
[12:20] <marcoagpinto> :)
[12:20] <marcoagpinto> to try to find out what introduced the issue
[12:21] <EoflaOE> Thanks marcoagpinto
[12:21] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[12:21] <marcoagpinto> I am just a little demon
[12:23] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: no, it isn't daily, it means building the kernel as it exists between 4.18 and 4.19 using binary section (bisect) which divides the distance between the 'good' and 'bad' commits by 2 each time
[12:24] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: so you want me to find the weak spot in the 4.18 series?
[12:24] <lotuspsychje> 4.19 sorry
[12:24] <TJ-> From my earlier git-bisect report it expects there to be 8 steps (builds) to find the problem commit
[12:24] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: correct
[12:26] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.19.5/ to start with?
[12:26] <TJ-> It said "Bisecting: 273 revisions left to test after this (roughly 8 steps)" ... so that means 273 /2=136 /2=67 /2=34 /2=17 /2=8 /2=4 =/2=2 /2=1
[12:27] <lotuspsychje> not sure i follow that
[12:27] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: no, the first 'bad' is v4.19 so it'll work backwards from that tag to v4.18, passing through only the commits to the drivers/gpu/drm/i915/ changes
[12:28] <lotuspsychje> so its the 4.18 series to bisect then
[12:29] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: the count is the number of commits affecting the drivers/gpu/drm/i915/ path ... binary section means take the middle commit between 'good' and 'bad' and test it. If that is 'bad' then you've halved the number of commits to test so you build the next test from a commit half way between 'good' and this new 'bad' etc
[12:29] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: no, it is the commits added between v4.18 and v4.19, this has nothing to do with the stable releases (v4.18.X are stable releases)
[12:30] <lotuspsychje> yeah but i dont get those numbers, can you gimme examples of kernels i should test up or down
[12:30] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: those added commits will have arrived as soon as the v4.19 development cycle started and would be contained in the various v4.19-rcX points
[12:31] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: OK, let's go back to (git) basics.
[12:34] <TJ-> Every kernel change is self-contained as a small patch that affects only the files that relate to the change being made. We call that change a "commit". Every commit has a unique SHA hash which is the commit ID. Every so often the project (in this case Linux Torvalds) decides to make a test 'release' so a commit is 'tagged'. A tag is the version numbers you're more familiar with, e.g. v4.19rc1,
[12:34] <TJ-> v4.19rc2, ... maybe to v4.19rc7 ... when Linus is happy there are no regressions he'll make a full release which is tagged as v4.19  ... and then start the 4.20 release cycle.
[12:34] <lotuspsychje> yeah i get every kernel version has commits added
[12:35] <TJ-> In the 4.20 release cycle there may come fixes for bugs and regression reported against v4.19 ... those are added to a separate git repository, the stable tree, maintained by Gregg Kroah-Hartman. When Gregg makes releases he adds a number to the release so you'll see v4.19.1, v4.19.2, v4.19.3 ... and so on. Those are where Ubuntu kernel will pull most if its fixes from
[12:36] <lotuspsychje> yeah nocticed those
[12:36] <TJ-> So in your specific case you know the v4.18 release works fine but the v4.19 release is bad. We also deduce in your case the problem is most likely in the i915 driver itself, so we can limit where we look for the bug to the drivers/gpu/drm/i915/ path in the kernel source.
[12:37] <TJ-> So when we ask git-bisect to get to work it counts all the commits on that path between the two tags v4.18 and v4.19, which is 273
[12:37] <lotuspsychje> ahh i see
[12:37] <lotuspsychje> 273 versions to test in between
[12:37] <TJ-> then it it picks the commit half-way between, which is ~136 commits after v4.18 and builds the kernel there
[12:38] <TJ-> you test that build and tell git-bisect it was either 'good' or 'bad'
[12:39] <TJ-> If it was bad git-bisect then knows the problem is between v4.18 and 136 commits later, so it picks the commit half-way between (~ 67) and you build again.
[12:39] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: but im not a dev, i know nothing on commits, only to install kernel versions
[12:39] <lotuspsychje> so you tell me wich kernel version is on halfway 136 commits?
[12:39] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: right, but this process only involves issuing simple git-bisect good/bad commands after each test, executing the kernel build instruction and waiting for the kernel to be ready, then installing and testing it.
[12:40] <TJ-> git bisect automatically checks out the commit to be tested and then you issue the kernel build command and sit back until it is ready
[12:40] <lotuspsychje> git-bisect is something else then kernel bisect?
[12:41] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: instead of you telling seth and him telling git-bisect and then waiting for seth to build the kernel, you do that part yourself which means you aren't waiting on someone else
[12:41] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: git-bisect is the tool used to do kernel bisecting
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> right
[12:42] <TJ-> that's what devs mean when they talk about kernel bisect, they're using git-bisect's automated workflow which just involves telling git-bisect which are the good and bad commits/tags and then it checks out the commit 1/2 way beteen those and you trigger a build, test, report good or bad and go around again :)
[12:42] <TJ-> and as I said, git-bisect indicates you'll only need a max of 8 builds to find the bug
[12:43] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: yeah i noticed the dev helping me was building stuff on the 5.0 series, wich he presumed the commits
[12:44] <lotuspsychje> but not sure i wanna start playing with git bisect lol
[12:44] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: I promise you it is simple :) here's the man-page... all you'd use is the 'start' 'good' and 'bad' options
[12:44] <TJ-> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/en/man1/git-bisect.1.html
[12:45] <lotuspsychje> can you give me an example on one kernel
[12:45] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: how do you mean 'on one kernel' ?
[12:46] <lotuspsychje> well we want to test on the 4.18 and 4.19 series specificly right?
[12:47] <lotuspsychje> does this test the kernel you booted on?
[12:47] <TJ-> The kernel is ONE tree of code with continuously added changes (commits). Some of those commits get 'tagged' with version numbers is all. There are NOT separate 'kernels' or 'trees' for each release version.
[12:49] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: give me an example of git-bisect ill see if i udnerstand
[12:50] <TJ-> It goes like this: 1) use git to clone the kernel source-code locally  2) install the tools required to build the kernel 3)  use git-bisect to indicate the known 'good' and 'bad' commits (tags) 4) git-bisect will 'check-out' the source tree at the midddle commit 5) build the kernel from source to binary 6) install the built kernel 7) test 8) tell git-bisect if it was 'good' or 'bad' 9) repeat from 5
[12:51] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: that man-page contains an example workflow using bisect on the kernel , you'll see there it does "git bisect good v2.6.13-rc2"
[12:54] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: tnx for the explanation but im not gonna start mess with it
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> this is the work devs need to do
[12:55] <TJ-> that's a shame, you'd have the exact commit that broke it in a few hours
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> they know wich kernels work and doesnt now..
[12:56] <TJ-> They've got do all I've described and you've got to test every build anyhow to discover the bad commit
[12:56] <TJ-> Especially as this only seems to affect that model/BIOS
[12:57] <lotuspsychje> i wanna help kernel testing but not gonna start building them
[12:58] <lordievader> Building kernels is not that complicated...
[12:58] <lotuspsychje> maybe, but the devs are payed to do this
[12:59] <lotuspsychje> and im not really pleased this happened on lts..
[12:59] <lotuspsychje> knowing this works on several other kernels versions
[13:00] <lordievader> Not enough qa testers on real and different hardware?
[13:00] <lotuspsychje> maybe lordievader but if 5.2 and 5.3 work nicely, the commits used there are known to work
[13:01] <lotuspsychje> they 'should' know where the cuplrit is?
[13:01] <lordievader> Back when I still did qa testing I mainly used virtual machines since that way you could test multiple targets at the same time.
[13:01] <lordievader> But you miss these kind of things that show with particular hardware combinations.
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> you mean that only i (on this machine) can really find the right 'bad' commit that causing it?
[13:02] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: you have to consider those 'devs' have greater priorities than this issue since it only affects a small number of models/BIOS, whereas you have a greater interest in solving it. Being able to tell the devs X commit is the problem might save several weeks of back and forth
[13:03] <lotuspsychje> ok fair enough
[13:03] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: and the other point is the dev's may be paid but not specifically for this kind of issue, they're paid to solve issues for paying customers mostly... if that helps the communnity users its a benefit of course
[13:06] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: is it possible if this bug isnt traced right, this will happen to next ubuntu versions?
[13:06] <lordievader> If they are payed at all.
[13:08] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: of course, moreso because the Intel i915 dev that looked at the upstream bug in March/April hasn't responded about it since
[13:10] <lotuspsychje> right..
[14:33] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: could you doublecheck this plz: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=244115
[14:44] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: that commit (a99790bf5c7f3d68d8b01e015d3212a98ee7bd57) suggests the affect is wider than just video
[14:44] <lotuspsychje> but they also mentioning the flickering
[14:45] <lotuspsychje> and my wifi:
[14:45] <TJ-> from your dmesg
[14:45] <lotuspsychje> description: Wireless interface
[14:45] <lotuspsychje>        product: Wireless-AC 9260
[14:45] <TJ-> [    0.238658] ACPI FADT declares the system doesn't support PCIe ASPM, so disable it
[14:46] <TJ-> [    0.369195] acpi PNP0A08:00: _OSC: OS supports [ExtendedConfig ASPM ClockPM Segments MSI]
[14:46] <TJ-> [    0.370267] acpi PNP0A08:00: FADT indicates ASPM is unsupported, using BIOS configuration
[14:46] <TJ-> [    0.378300] pci 0000:00:1c.3: ASPM: current common clock configuration is broken, reconfiguring
[14:46] <TJ-> [    2.409840] r8169 0000:01:00.1: can't disable ASPM; OS doesn't have ASPM control
[14:47] <TJ-> So, all that suggests that despite the ACPI FADT saying there is no PCIe ASPM, the BIOS has enabled it anyhow
[14:47] <TJ-> But Linux cannot control it
[20:56] <OerHeks> lolz .. i knew something was comming
[20:56] <OerHeks> redmine server issues


[20:51] <jarray52> I'm trying to get my ati radeon graphics card(HD 6400M Series) working. I have a dual Intel/Radeon card. I'm using a kernel with switcheroo. I also blacklisted the intel drivers and completely removed the proprietary fglrx drivers. However, when the system boots with the radeon driver, I'm in low resolution mode. Any suggestions?
[20:52] <nut> swashbuckla  u get the problem fixed with that cause i have it too
[20:52] <guntbert> SwashBuckla: strange - (and please don't mock others :-) - did you keep shift pressed even after "grub loading..." ?
 Then at backup time you know if there was change or not
[20:54] <guntbert> cowlicks: do you mean here in the channel or on your command line?
[20:54] <mikkelb> schnuffle: maybe yeah thanks man
[20:55] <user110022> hello world!
[20:59] <rgererge> [schnuffle]:
[20:59] <rgererge> # sudo chkconfig --add noip2
[20:59] <rgererge> The script you are attempting to invoke has been converted to an Upstart
[20:59] <rgererge> job, but lsb-header is not supported for Upstart jobs.
[20:59] <rgererge> insserv: warning: script 'S20squid' missing LSB tags and overrides
[20:59] <nut> swash u ever find a fix for that???
[20:59] <falstaff> My wifi card sees the various networks but will not connect --
[21:00] <Rasmus> Hi, how do i change the graphics driver in ubuntu 10.04 ? because as far as i know xorg.conf does not exist any longer
[21:01] <rgererge> I can not run the noip. Can someone help me
[21:02] <tompson> I can not run the noip. Can someone help me
[21:02] <tompson> pls
[21:02] <kyle__> !ubotto repeat
[21:02] <kyle__> tompson: Try not repeating yourself so often.  Wait for someone to respond.
[21:03] <tompson> ok
[21:03] <tompson> help pls
[21:03] <docmur> I've been trying to setup a mail server on Ubuntu using the following link http://www.pixelinx.com/2010/10/creating-a-mail-server-on-ubuntu-using-postfix-courier-ssltls-spamassassin-clamav-and-amavis/   I get the server "setup" and when I try to connect a email client to it I get this  http://pastebin.com/SAqMmweW
[21:03] <docmur> Does anyone see the issue?
[21:05] <Relondo> Does Unity have Linux support?
[21:05] <kyle__> O_o
[21:06] <kyle__> Relondo: No, it only runs in NetBSD </sarcasm>
[21:06] <kyle__> Relondo: What do you actually want to know?  Unity only runs on ubuntu's distro of linux right now.   I've heard of it.
[21:08] <kyle__> Relondo: Unity is the name of a desktop environment used in ubuntu.  It has nothing to do with browser games.  Maybe you're confused, or maybe there's something else with the name unity.
[21:08] <tompson> Can someone help me please
[21:08] <kyle__> Relondo: NetBSD is a free (as in speech) Unix like operating system that's very very portable.  More bare bones than ubuntu for sure.
[21:08] <Relondo> kyle_: NetBSD, got it. But there is most definitely a Unity game engine.
[21:09] <tompson> Can someone help me please
[21:09] <randomusername> the only thing that annoys me about ubuntu right now is that I can't third mouse button klick and get the ability to scroll by merely moving the mouse
[21:09] <kyle__> Relondo: Ah.  I'm pretty sure the game engine has nothing to do with the unity desktop environment.
[21:10] <randomusername> and that doubleclicking in the downloads-window of firefox doesn't open the files nor folders
[21:10] <Relondo> kyle_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_%28game_engine%29
[21:10] <randomusername> are there any fixes to these small problems?
[21:10] <randomusername> minor annoyances, but it'd be the icing on the cake to fix
[21:10] <Relondo> kyle_: Got it. Next question: I can't seem to access the greater whole of my windows file system from inside my Wubi install.
[21:10] <amsigen> hi all
[21:11] <zoe> how can i boot with option "pci=assign-busses"?
[21:11] <Relondo> kyle_: When I booted from a USB drive, I could, but now that I've actually installed, I can'te.
[21:11] <Relondo> kyle_: *can't.
[21:12] <DJones> Relondo: http://gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/26140/unity-3d-engine-for-ubuntu This may help, seems to suggest that older versions of Unity3D might work via wine
[21:12] <Relondo> DJones: Thanks, I'll check it out.
[21:12] <kyle__> Relondo: DJones: THat explains much of the confusion :)
[21:13] <falstaff> My wifi card detects the networks but it will not connect --
[21:13] <An_Ony_Moose> why does deja-dup-monitor suck up so much ram?
[21:13] <Relondo> kyle_: So, any idea about the access restrictions on my filesystem?
[21:14] <cromag> how do i see from where a package is installed from ? - ie. it's both in the standard repos, and i've added a PPA for it as well.
[21:15] <khmerog> wasssssssssssssssup
[21:16] <keymaker> Hey
[21:16] <amsigen> heyhey!!!
[21:16] <amsigen> WASSSSSSUUUPPPP
[21:16] <keymaker> alguien de MEX??
[21:16] <amsigen> english?
[21:16] <Relondo> How can I see the task manager equivalent in Ubuntu?
[21:16] <kyle__> Relondo: Well if it worked on on the usb-drive but not the hard drive, it's just a package difference.  Just need to find which one it needs.
[21:16] <amsigen> open terminal
[21:17] <amsigen> and type htop
[21:17] <kyle__> Relondo: in a terminal, type "top" and hit enter
[21:17] <Relondo> kyle_: What does that mean?
[21:17] <D[4]ni> Relondo: gnome-system-monitor
[21:17] <amsigen> htop is the task manager.
[21:17] <kyle__> amsigen: it comes with htop by default now?  Awesome.
[21:18] <Relondo> kyle_: I'm not able to make much sense of this. It's a little more complicated :/
[21:18] <amsigen> kyle has quit.
[21:18] <kyle__> amsigen: I quit?  When did I quit?
[21:18] <amsigen> dude, how to reply someones message ?
[21:18] <amsigen> i am a really newbie in irc.
[21:19] <amsigen> sorry.
[21:19] <wylde_> amsigen: type a few characters and hit tab
[21:19] <amsigen> i just saw a quit message.
[21:19] <wylde_> !tab | amsigen
[21:19] <kyle__> amsigen: Depends on the client, in irssi & ircii, type a name followed by a :
[21:19] <rgenito> ah hello ubuntu community!
[21:19] <amsigen> a :kyle___ like this?
[21:19] <Zoohouse> rgenito: Greetings
[21:20] <amsigen> example
[21:20] <amsigen> :/
[21:20] <rgenito> anyone familiar with linux's include/linux/modversions.h ?
[21:20] <kyle__> amsigen: Almost.
[21:20] <falstaff> Hello rgenito
[21:20] <rgenito> i'm trying to figure out how to get that for ubuntu
[21:20] <rgenito> so that i can compile a special driver
[21:20] <New0> hi all. can plz some guide me (or give me a link) about: now i install ubuntu in step 5 of 8 and choosing the partition. 3th par for ubuntu. what is the best way to do so? tnx
[21:20] <amsigen> kyle__,  ahha
[21:20] <kyle__> That works.
[21:20] <amsigen> kyle__,  i think i find out
[21:20] <amsigen> :D
[21:20] <wylde_> !find modversions.h
[21:21] <Relondo> kyle_: So what's this about packages? You mean like software packages?
[21:21] <amsigen> ubottu,  thanks dude.
[21:21] <jarray52> Has anyone managed to get their graphics card working with vga_switcheroo?
[21:21] <rgenito> wylde_: that doesn't help :(
[21:21] <rgenito> or does it?
[21:21] <tbrock> hey guys, having trouble getting 2 screens working in 12.04 with a radeon card
[21:22] <tbrock> its super slow and the settings don't stick after a restart
[21:22] <wylde_> rgenito: it means you need to install the kernel headers :P
[21:22] <rgenito> ahh, sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.38-8-generic
[21:22] <rgenito> ? ;D
[21:22] <wylde_> rgenito: which is common when compiling software.
[21:22] <iTonnerre> Hi there
[21:22] <rgenito> thankw wylde_ :) your input does help a lot!
[21:22] <iTonnerre> I have a problem with mdadm: I replaced one disk of a two-disk raid-1 array and now it won't stop rebuilding because the remaining disk has a bad block
[21:22] <bairui> hi, (ubuntu 12.04, unity) when I use the Super key for navigating between desktops, the small mini-desktop overlay stays in the middle of the screen until I press Escape or Enter. Is there a way to have it disappear (as it does with the default ctrl-alt-[left/etc] maps)?
[21:22] <iTonnerre> Is there a way to tell Linux' md resync impl to skip over that bad block?
[21:22] <rgenito> wylde_:  WTF?!?!?
[21:22] <rgenito> linux-headers-2.6.38-8-generic is already the newest version.
[21:22] <kyle__> Relondo: Yes. If it worked on the usb and not on the hdd, then you just need to install the right packages.  Browse through the package manager.  It even has a search feature.  Makes it easy.
[21:22] <rgenito> looks like i already have the headers, but that one file is missing =[
[21:23] <cromag> can i force a package to be installed from a PPA instead of the standard repos ?
[21:23] <iTonnerre> (I don't have any good copies of the block but it shouldn't keep me from syncing the rest of the data)
[21:23] <kyle__> iTonnerre: um.  It should reject the disc, not rebuild, if it's got a bad block.  I think.
[21:23] <wylde_> rgenito: odd, are you compiling source from the ubuntu repos?
[21:23] <rgenito> wylde_: locate modversions.h comes up with: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.38-8-generic/include/config/modversions.h
[21:23] <Relondo> kyle_: Package manager?
[21:23] <kyle__> iTonnerre: You can always mdadm --fail /dev/md0 /dev/<bad disc> to remove it.
[21:23] <iTonnerre> kyle__: it's the _source_ disk which has the bad block
[21:23] <rgenito> ...perhaps that's the actual file that the driver is looking for?
[21:23] <Relondo> kyle_: Dude, I just installed Ubuntu yesterday.
[21:23] <iTonnerre> kyle__: the other copy was on a broken disk
[21:23] <tbrock> anyone?
[21:24] <rgenito> wylde_: after all, i dont see many sites that say anything about include/linux/modversions.h
[21:24] <iTonnerre> (Which I already removed, I'm trying to sync fromk the disk with the one bad block to a clean one)
[21:24] <wylde_> rgenito: likely, the configure or make script could possibly be looking elsewhere for it.
[21:24] <kyle__> iTonnerre: Errr.  Fsck it with badblocks prehaps.
[21:24] <rgenito> ty for your help tho wylde_ .. i really appreciate it
[21:24] <iTonnerre> kyle__: what do you mean, running badblocks on the underlying partition?
[21:25] <LittleBallOfHate> iTonnerre: badblocks on the one living disk with data then readd the blank disk
[21:25] <wylde_> rgenito: you can try 'sudo apt-get build-dep packagename' but that may only work for source from the ubuntu repos to resolve dependencies
[21:25] <kyle__> iTonnerre: depends on the fs you're using, but if it's ext2/3/4 you can fsck -f and pass it a -c, and it will check the filesystem, AND check for badblocks, and attempt to relocate the data that's located on the bad parts
[21:25] <New0> like what should be swap partition and what should OS? and what kind of part type?
[21:25] <Chaos_Ze1o> hello, i was here last night failing at networking wit iptables. i an tring to follow this guide:  http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html
[21:25] <iTonnerre> kyle__: well, on top of the md there's an LVM PV
[21:25] <kyle__> iTonnerre: After that it will avoid using the bad area.  Then maybe it'll recover.  Good luck :(
[21:26] <rgenito> wylde_: what i'm trying to install is a driver... gotta do "make" then "make install" (no 'configure')
[21:26] <Chaos_Ze1o> my uestion currently is near the beginning here it says "Finally, let $P1_NET be the IP network $P1 is in, and $P2_NET the IP network $P2 is in."
[21:26] <esing> the only difference between lubuntu and ubuntu is the desktop environment ?
[21:26] <kyle__> iTonnerre: You could add another pv to the lvm, and move the vgs and lvs over to it, but that can be a pain.
[21:26] <rgenito> wylde_: this is what i'm installing :D http://www.ftdichip.com/Drivers/VCP.htm
[21:26] <Chaos_Ze1o> what exactly does the "ip network" mean?
[21:26] <esing> so I can switch easily from lubuntu to ubuntu by installing unify ?
[21:27] <cbmuser> xt
[21:27] <iTonnerre> The problem is: md tries to recover the array but when it hits the bad block it just stops the recovery and starts from 0
[21:27] <falstaff> My Wifi card can see all the networks but it will not connect.
[21:27] <tbrock> exit
[21:27] <erinaceus_> esing: As far as i remember you have to install gnome-desktop
[21:27] <esing> erinaceus I thought the new ubuntu uses no more gnome but unify ?
[21:27] <iTonnerre> (Which is quite a dull thing to do IMO)
[21:28] <wylde_> rgenito: .... from what I read that driver has been patched with those drivers already? Do you need something not supported alreadyby it?
[21:28] <Relondo> kyle_: Gotta go. Thanks your your help.
[21:28] <cbmuser> the version of date found in Ubuntu is broken, is that known?
[21:28] <wylde_> rgenito: sorry kernel 3.0.0-19
[21:28] <erinaceus_> esing: Oh, I'm not sure, i havent used gnome for a while
[21:28] <esing> itonnerre why?
[21:28] <cbmuser> root@precise:~# date -d "1000 months ago"
[21:28] <cbmuser> date: invalid date `1000 months ago'
[21:28] <cbmuser> root@precise:~# date -d "2000 months ago"
[21:28] <cbmuser> Mon Nov 16 04:56:13 CET 1981
[21:28] <iTonnerre> kyle__: that may work, but I think there should be a way to make md resync ignoring that one bad block
[21:28] <esing> erinaceus_ you use ubuntu ?
[21:28] <cbmuser> this has been fixed in Debian for a long time
[21:28] <rgenito> wylde_: ahh, so i'd need kernel 3.0.0-19 in order to have the path with those drivers?
[21:28] <erinaceus_> esing: Used to, recently swichted
[21:28] <yooo> relebrei os velhos tempos do Mirc agora... haha
[21:29] <esing> erinaceus then you should know which desktop environment is installed as default :P
[21:29] <iTonnerre> esing: because I think if you don't have a good source for a block it's better to just skip it than to restart the sync again and again
[21:29] <kyle__> iTonnerre: There may be, but I don't know it.  What comes to my mind is to use the FS level badblock avoidence, then let mdadm sync.
[21:29] <wylde_> rgenito: no if you're using a kernel newer than that the drivers should already be included
[21:29] <kyle__> iTonnerre: Also, if you're using xfs, know that it does NO checking or handling for bad sectors.  It expects high-end drives that have good error detection onboard.
[21:29] <esing> itonnerre ???
[21:29] <esing> itonnere are you talking about my question or something else ?
[21:30] <iTonnerre> esing: your question was just «why»
[21:30] <erinaceus_> esing: Well yeah, in ubuntu it's gnome im pretty sure. I believe unity is a seperate thing
[21:30] <rgenito> wylde_: damn, i'm using kernal 2.6.38-8-generic ... looks like i need kernel 3.0.0-19 :(
[21:30] <esing> erinaceus_ i think you are wrong
[21:30] <iTonnerre> kyle__: the setup is: md-raid -> LVM -> LVs with ext*fs or something else
[21:30] <wylde_> rgenito: ahhh you still on 10.04?
[21:30] <rgenito> ...is there an apt-get install for a new kernel (+the header files) for ubuntu 10.04 ? :D
[21:30] <rgenito> err, this is 11.04 actually
[21:31] <Rasmus> Hi, I'm having a problem with intel 82830m and ubuntu 10.04, the driver wont work on my internal display, but with an external hooked up it works just fine and dandy
[21:31] <erinaceus_> esing: Could be as I said, last time i had to do soemthing like that, it just was a matter of installing the right desktop enviroment on you current ubuntu version
[21:31] <erinaceus_> And im afk, good luck
[21:31] <wylde_> rgenito: hmmm you try in backports to see if there's a 3.0.+ kernel
[21:31] <kyle__> iTonnerre: If you have room, you can move where on the pv (md0 in this case) the lv resides.  That may help, but it may not.  I really don't know what to tell you.  Sorry.
[21:31] <rgenito> which ubuntu has 3.0 kernel?
[21:32] <esing> erinaceus_ thx
[21:32] <wylde_> rgenito: 12.04 does 3.2.0-24-generic for me on amd64
[21:32] <rgenito> welp, looks like i'm installin 12.04! :D
[21:33] <bbrazil_> Hi, I just upgraded from Lucid to Precise on amd64. Boot goes Lilo, loading linux, lots of dots and then hangs. Does anyone have any ideas as to how to debug this? I have single user mode via an older kernel
[21:33] <wylde_> rgenito: hehe, if you'd rather not just enable the backports in software sources and see if there's an updated kernel backport for 11.04
[21:35] <rgenito> wylde_: well, i have no idea how to do that honestly
[21:35] <iTonnerre> kyle__: I'm trying that now… makes things a bit harder though, which is probably obvious
[21:35] <iTonnerre> kyle__: thanks for the suggestion!
[21:36] <rgenito> wylde_: ...ok i figured out how to enable backports :)
[21:36] <wylde_> rgenito: I'm working from memory,(I'm on kubuntu right now) but you can open your Software Update app and use the "sources" button to add backports.
[21:36] <Mike9863> I'm using gnome-shell and the fglrx driver, and my system is slightly laggy. Videos also seem to play slowly. Anyone know how to fix this?
[21:36] <sirriffsalot> mongo: you stil there? Any idea how the facebook-downloading works with youtube-dl?
[21:36] <rgenito> i'm on a headless machine btw @_@
[21:36] <kyle__> iTonnerre: I feel your pain.  I rebuilt from a similar failure a few weeks ago.  It also prompted me to move to raid6.
[21:36] <rgenito> wylde_: i'm on a headless machine btw @_@
[21:36] <kyle__> iTonnerre: big write penalty, but I can loose any two of the four drives, and not loose data.
[21:36] <wylde_> rgenito:  lol so you're working over ssh?
[21:37] <iTonnerre> kyle__: I only have room for 2 drives in the machine though :)
[21:37] <rgenito> wylde_: yes
[21:37] <kyle__> iTonnerre: Damn.  Time to garbage pick a P4 and make it a closet NAS server I'd say ;)
[21:37] <rgenito> wylde_: is updating the kernel in the ubuntu world easier now? :D
[21:38] <rgenito> wylde_: i'm over by the machine as well...it's right here. but there's still no GUI on it.
[21:38] <iTonnerre> kyle__: well, it's a regular 1U server in a regular server rack … paid space, so higher servers aren't feasible
[21:38] <wylde_> rgenito: basically yes. you can just apt-get install it. However it doesn't remove the old one. Which is good in case there are issues with the new one.
[21:38] <esing> hi
[21:38] <esing> why would ubuntu change to unity ?
[21:39] <rgenito> wylde_: ahhh very cool! how do i boot to the new kernel?
[21:39] <wylde_> rgenito: reboot that's it. Unless you have another os installed it should use the new kernel
[21:40] <kyle__> Stupid apple ARD can't shut down a mac who's HDD is dying, and it's at the other location. My syslog server is getting filled fast :/
[21:40] <wylde_> rgenito: after the reboot just use 'uname -a' to verify the kernel used
[21:40] <QbY2> O
[21:40] <kyle__> Tonnerre: Ah.  Yea, rack space is pricey, I understand the desire to keep it small.
[21:41] <QbY2> I'm currently running a ubuntu live cd (TOR's TAILS), and I've got a problem with my MacBook Pro.  Are there any utilities that will give me the SMART status or can perform a good inspection of the hard disk?
[21:41] <wylde_> rgenito: I meant the grub menu will only come up if there are more than 1 os.
[21:41] <rgenito> ahh
[21:41] <kyle__> QbY2: smartctl -A /dev/sda or if you're in OSX smartctl -A /dev/disk0
[21:42] <kyle__> QbY2: But if you're in OSX, you'll probably need to install smartmontools from ports.
[21:42] <QbY2> ok
[21:42] <rgenito> wylde_: so do i just do sudo apt-get install kernel3 ? :D
[21:42] <rgenito> hehe
[21:42] <rgenito> (i need the header files too)
[21:42] <QbY2> kyle..  i'm in ubuntu (live cd)
[21:43] <QbY2> kyle__: what package is smartctl in, i apparently don't have it.
[21:43] <kyle__> QbY2: OK.  If it's not there, apt-get install smartmontools
[21:43] <wylde_> rgenito: 'apt-cache search apartofthekernelname' to find the available packages
[21:43] <wylde_> rgenito: moment
[21:44] <kyle__> QbY2: You can also trigger internal drive tests with it, if it shows OK, but you don't beleive it.  smartctl -tshort /dev/sda (short test), or smartctl -tlong /dev/sda (long test, obviously)
[21:45] <QbY2> sweet
[21:46] <QbY2> kyle__: thanks a ton man.  one more question, i forgot what kind of drive is in here.  anyway to get that?  tried lspci and don't see it..
[21:46] <LinTux> Anybody using GNURADIO with the DVB-T Dongle as an SDR Receiver?
[21:46] <kyle__> QbY2: Also, if smartctl shows the drive failed a smart test and is marked as failing, that's MORE than enough for an Apple Genius to swap the drive out for you under warnantee.
[21:47] <wylde_> rgenito: 'sudo apt-get update && apt-cache search linux-image-3'
[21:47] <kyle__> QbY2: I thought under linux it showed that in smartctl...but if not, hdparm -I /dev/sda and hdparm -i /dev/sda will both give you lots of info
[21:47] <CannedCorn> hey guys can anyone help me get two displays working on ubuntu 12.04 with a radeon card
[21:48] <rgenito> thanks wylde_ :)
[21:48] <CannedCorn> i've searched around but none of the solutions seem to help
[21:48] <wylde_> rgenito: you shouldn't need to bother compiling those drivers with a kernel newer than 3.0.0-19
[21:48] <QbY2> ok..
[21:48] <rgenito> wylde_:  you kick ass man :D let's be friends :D
[21:48] <wylde_> rgenito: np
[21:48] <QbY2> i can't find this package in synaptic, and apt-get didn't work..  i forget how to re-enable all the repos..
[21:48] <wylde_> :)
[21:48] <rgenito> the apt-cache search function has no output for me @_@
[21:49] <wylde_> o.O really?
[21:49] <funkymonk> anyone here familiar with analog apache www log analyiser and ubuntu?
[21:49] <kyle__> damn hipsters wanting analog everything.
[21:50] <esing> can i keep my DM (lightDM) or do I have to get Unity-2d either for unity (DE) ?
[21:51] <novato_br> my audio settings: ALSAMIXER ALC 662 rev.2  There is a noise when I turn my microfone on. But my mic is okay, because it has been tested in other 2 computers and it worked perfectly.
[21:51] <novato_br> what could i do?
[21:51] <CannedCorn> nah?
[21:52] <esing> can i keep my DM (lightDM) or do I have to get Unity-2d either for unity (DE) ?
[21:52] <novato_br> when you detect a noise from mic, what do you do?
[21:52] <wylde_> esing: your question makes no sense.
[21:53] <esing> wylde_ so you are saying the DM has nothing to do with the DE ?
[21:53] <wylde_> esing: you can use lightdm with most DE's
[21:54] <esing> good to know
[21:54] <wylde_> esing: with most it'll be fine. You can run  Unity, Gnome 3, XFCE, LXDE etc. on lightdm.
[21:58] <esing> wylde_ should I keep my old DE just in case? I suppose all configurations stay the same, but only the layout changes ^^
[21:58] <CannedCorn> guys
[21:58] <CannedCorn> ?
[21:58] <wylde_> esing: for the most part. You can have multiple DE's installed, you just choose which you want when you login.
[21:58] <esing> cool
[21:59] <esing> Iam going to reboot to switch to unity, cu
[21:59] <wylde_> !ati | CannedCorn
[21:59] <wylde_> CannedCorn: that's all I have for you, sorry. I don't use AMD/ATI cards
[21:59] <CannedCorn> ok thanks wylde_
[22:02] <fstar> how to move a partition to a different drive eg a windows recovery partition to an external usb drive
[22:07] <sirriffsalot> Any idea how facebook-downloading works with youtube-dl? Can't find anything about it although "man youtube-dl" says that it's compatible with it
[22:08] <ezbbunk> hi
[22:08] <ezbbunk> how do you prevent windows from disappearing? I have some terminal sessions that keep disappearing and Alt-tab cant bring them back
[22:08] <ezbbunk> according to ps (1) they're still alive though
[22:08] <Mike9863> Gnome Shell does not show up as an option for me in lightdm even though I have it installed. Does anyone know how to add it to the session list?
[22:10] <XDS20120> help
[22:10] <XDS20120> How can i check to make sure i have plenty of disk space ?
[22:10] <XDS20120> I setup ubuntu in wubi however i got a odd error on startup saying i was low on disk space, when i checked it it shows as my ext4 partition being 98% used and a cealing of 4gb
[22:10] <zhanger> XDS20120: use df -h to check free space
[22:11] <XDS20120> which device am i looking at ?
[22:11] <zhanger> paste the output of it
[22:11] <zhanger> to paste.ubuntu.com
[22:11] <esing> i failed :(
[22:12] <paranoiko_koalak> greetings
[22:12] <esing> i dont see a login screen to change to unity
[22:12] <paranoiko_koalak> need help to install a program on ubuntu
[22:12] <microcheapfx> :exit
[22:12] <xangua> paranoiko_koalak: you install programs from the Software Center
[22:12] <zhanger> paranoiko_koalak: you can use apt-get from command line
[22:13] <zhanger> !apt | paranoiko_koalak
[22:13] <esing> !help
[22:13] <XDS20120> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1032835/
[22:13] <esing> how to switch to unity from LXDE ? I installed unity packages and now ?
[22:13] <esing> Rebooting doesnt give me choice to change to unity
[22:13] <esing> maybe i need more packages ?
[22:13] <XDS20120> zhanger:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/1032835/
[22:14] <esing> do i need to add some ubuntu repositries ?
[22:14] <paranoiko_koalak> it's source code guys
[22:14] <esing> I use Lubuntu currently
[22:14] <trism> esing: you need gnome-session too, probably best to just install ubuntu-desktop
[22:14] <brown8813> !cmd
[22:14] <XDS20120> this output makes 0 sense
[22:14] <paranoiko_koalak> and iam beginer in ubuntu
[22:14] <zhanger> paranoiko_koalak: use this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingEasyHowTo
[22:14] <esing> trism do I need to add some ubuntu repositries before installing ubuntu-desktop ?
[22:15] <XDS20120> what am i looking for ?
[22:15] <trism> esing: nope
[22:15] <esing> good ! thanks !
[22:15] <XDS20120> I setup wubi to have 13gb
[22:15] <Lil> ahh, the joys of learning subversion
[22:15] <QbY2> kyle__: you still around?  http://pastebin.com/C6HcL40n -- to my untrained eye looks not good..
[22:15] <zhanger> XDS20120: /dev/loop0 is it
[22:15] <zhanger> mounted on /
[22:16] <zhanger> it says 2.2G is available
[22:16] <XDS20120> zhanger:  that doesn't make sense tho, i set it up so that it had a cealing of 13gb
[22:16] <XDS20120> wtf
[22:17] <zhanger> XDS20120: i'm not really sure, i haven't used wubi before
[22:17] <zhanger> but i'm guessing it partitioned /home and /usr to be separately mounted
[22:17] <ProtekNickz> 240 Head_Flying_Hours = possibly hard drive failure
[22:17] <zhanger> as /home takes up another 1.7 gigs and /usr takes up 4 gigs
[22:18] <zhanger> XDS20120: what are you trying to do anyway
[22:18] <zhanger> install more software? because your /usr is 100% full
[22:18] <XDS20120> zhanger:  setup wubi (ubu) correctly obviously
[22:18] <XDS20120> whats the root password
[22:19] <wylde_> !root | XDS201
[22:19] <zhanger> oh i thought you already setup wubi correctly
[22:19] <zhanger> my bad
[22:19] <XDS20120> wtf
[22:19] <XDS20120> zhanger:  that is why i am asking
[22:19] <XDS20120> if something looks out of place i ask
[22:20] <zhanger> XDS20120: my guess is it's got something to do with your /usr being too full
[22:20] <XDS20120> this doesn't look right
[22:21] <XDS20120> to hell with it then i'll re-install what a giant waiste of time
[22:21] <XDS20120> waste*
[22:21] <zhanger> good luck XDS20120 D:
[22:21] <ProtekNickz> XDS20120: what up, i just got here?
[22:21] <XDS20120> ProtekNickz:  setup wubi to have a 13gb cealing , and my output shows 98/100% full
[22:22] <XDS20120> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1032835/
[22:22] <XDS20120> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[22:23] <ProtekNickz> XDS20120: right iv'e seen this before with another user, they put it down to some of the wubi 98% being installation files
[22:23] <XDS20120> its bs
[22:23] <WillPittenger> How do you install Ubuntu without Unity?  (Or uninstall Unity?)  As a cheap imitation of Apple's desktop, it's a piece of junk.  In the past, I would use the Ubuntu Classic desktop.  But when I installed from the 12.04 32-bit ISO, there was no such option.  I tried uninstalling Ubuntu (the software center let me), but that broke the install and it would no longer boot.  What other options...
[22:23] <XDS20120> stupid bs
[22:23] <WillPittenger> ...are there?
[22:23] <ProtekNickz> like when you format a 500gb HD and only get 497GB ect..
[22:24] <zhanger> WillPittenger: use another distro like kubuntu or xubuntu or lubuntu
[22:24] <xangua> !nounity | WillPittenger
[22:24] <bsmith093> can i cat a bunch of files together and then splice out the urls?
[22:24] <XDS20120> this isn't some small change in size ProtekNickz
[22:24] <zhanger> !classic
[22:24] <bsmith093> sorry , i meant can i splice out the urls from a block of text automattically
[22:24] <wylde_> bsmith093: I bet you'd get a good answer to taht in #bash ;)
[22:25] <ProtekNickz> how big of a change?
[22:25] <wylde_> that*
[22:25] <bsmith093> righto, wylde_
[22:25] <zolom> Hi all, was wondering if someone could help me set up HDMI sound on 11.04 for nv GTX 560. Have Pulse installed, can see streams in pavucontrol, but no sound :( Internal audio switched off in pavucontrol; also built nvidia module from nvidia.com.Ty
[22:26] <_pants> How do you make something run at login in Unity? I searched http://unity.ubuntu.com/projects/unity/ for "login" and "startup" and didn't turn anything up.
[22:26] <ProtekNickz> XDS20120: whats the total size of wubi
[22:27] <XDS20120> what ?
[22:27] <ProtekNickz> you said you set 13gb aside right?
[22:27] <XDS20120> the program is 3mb
[22:27] <XDS20120> right
[22:27] <LinTux> I have just uninstalled wine usine sudo apt-get autoremove wine, all went fine but i cannot get rid of the menu category, HELP?
[22:27] <ProtekNickz> wubi = windows installer for ubuntu yes
[22:29] <XDS20120> what in the world are you talking about
[22:29] <Relondo> How can I make my Ubuntu not require a log-in every time I close my laptop lid and reopen it?
[22:29] <xangua> Relondo: set the preferences of that on Energy settings
[22:29] <ProtekNickz> XDS20120: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide this "wubi" right?
[22:30] <Relondo> xangua: I have it set to "When I close the lid: Do nothing".
[22:30] <XDS20120> ProtekNickz:  is there another wubi i don't know about ?
[22:31] <ProtekNickz> XDS20120: well as far as i know nope, but when i said you installed it on your windows, you sounded confused and said what?
[22:31] <sjohnson> hi.  how does one use apt-get to find out what package it might install, without installing it?
[22:31] <Relondo> xangua: Would my being on Wubi change anything?
[22:32] <XDS20120> ProtekNickz:  you are making absolutely no sense
[22:32] <WillPittenger> Is 12.04 Natty?
[22:32] <XDS20120> there is only one wubi
[22:32] <xangua> !12.04 | WillPittenger
[22:32] <wylde_> sjohnson: 'apt-get -s install packagename'
[22:32] <ProtekNickz> XDS20120: are you serious, wubi install's on top of windows yes, so you can use ubuntu in a window get me?
[22:33] <xangua> Relondo: never used wubi, kind of acts strange
[22:33] <wdp_> is it normal, that some menubar's are gone in ubuntu (dunno how else to name that) i just installed pidgin, xchat and sylpheed - none of these has a menu bar at the top and I have no clue how to enable that one.
[22:33] <XDS20120> ProtekNickz:  yes i'm serious
[22:33] <ProtekNickz> another words it installs like an application
[22:33] <wdp_> (like file edit open etc)
[22:33] <Relondo> xangua: Gotcha.
[22:33] <wdp_> s/has/have
[22:33] <XDS20120> Relondo:  do me a favor what does df -h say ?
[22:34] <wylde_> wdp_: unity uses globalmenu. Whichever app is focused their menubar will be on the top panel
[22:34] <sjohnson> wylde_: thanks
[22:34] <wdp_> wylde, so removing unity will do the job?
[22:34] <XDS20120> Relondo:  just installed wubi myself.  what a pain
[22:34] <wylde_> wdp_: you can just remove globalmenu :)
[22:34] <wdp_> ah
[22:34] <wdp_> how do i remove that?
[22:34] <Relondo> XDS2010: Here is what it said: Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/loop0       18G  4.2G   13G  26% / udev            1.7G   12K  1.7G   1% /dev tmpfs           686M  884K  685M   1% /run none            5.0M     0  5.0M   0% /run/lock none            1.7G  4.8M  1.7G   1% /run/shm /dev/sda2       451G  244G  207G  55% /host
[22:34] <wylde_> moment
[22:34] <ProtekNickz> XDS20120: well the the 2% of you wubi would prolly be you swap file
[22:35] <wdp_> gotcha. i see, the menu is at the top..
[22:35] <XDS20120> Relondo:  in the future please use pastebin
[22:35] <wdp_> thats not very useful there.. ^^
[22:35] <Relondo> XDS20120: Pastebin?
[22:35] <XDS20120> paste.ubuntu.com
[22:36] <Relondo> XDS20120: Brb
[22:36] <XDS20120> k
[22:36] <wylde_> wdp_: I don't recall the actual packagename. Search apt or the software center for appmenu or globalmenu.
[22:36] <wylde_> wdp_: I'm on kubuntu atm .
[22:36] <XDS20120> or http://sprunge.us
[22:37] <XDS20120> now i have to re-install windows and everything what a giant pain
[22:38] <XDS20120> bbl
[22:38] <wdp_> wylde, hm i don't find it
[22:39] <wylde_> wdp_: moment, I'll look for it on http://packages.ubuntu.com
[22:39] <wdp_> there's appmenu-gtk -gtk3 and -qt, but i don't think that's it.
[22:39] <rypaint> I currently have a machine that has win7 on it and I have another drive I want to throw in there and have ubuntu so I can pick the drive I want at boot ....can anyone send me in the right direction to set that up?
[22:40] <XDS20120> rypaint:  i would say use wubi, but now im thinking its a POS
[22:40] <xangua> !dualboot | rypaint
[22:40] <XDS20120> what is with all this balogny with throwing links at people, doesn't anyone get we dont want to be bombarded with info overload
[22:41] <XDS20120> more bs
[22:41] <rypaint> thanks ill take a look
[22:41] <wylde_> wdp_:  It's been a while, I know it globalmenu for thunderbird/firefox. But something like appmenu for unity. I have to run for a few, sorry.
[22:41] <brooke_> HELP!!!!!!!!!!!
[22:41] <brooke_> how do you convert videos to mp4
[22:41] <fhtagn>  !!!!!
[22:41] <wdp_> !111!!!1ONEONEELEVEN
[22:41] <xangua> !caps | wdp_
[22:42] <XDS20120> rypaint:  i would caution setting a cealing above 7 gb for now, and selecting edubuntu as the platform if you want good bluetooth support
[22:42] <wdp_> -.-
[22:42] <fhtagn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-4_Part_14 mp4 is a container. What do you mean?
[22:42] <paranoiko_koalak> baxk
[22:42] <paranoiko_koalak> back
[22:42] <brooke_> ???
[22:42] <brooke_> how do you convert videos to mp4
[22:42] <paranoiko_koalak> need help to instal a source code made program on my ubuntu
[22:43] <brooke_> any1?
[22:43] <XDS20120> rypaint:  you can try a cealing above 10/11 gb but make sure it actually works
[22:43] <Rasmus> Hi, does anyone know how to switch to VESA driver on 10.04 ?
[22:43] <paranoiko_koalak> use mobile media converter brooke
[22:43] <rypaint> XDS20120: im not sure i know what you mean by cealing
[22:43] <brooke_> mh...
[22:44] <sacarlson> fhtagn: ffmpeg -i video_origine.avi -ab 56 -ar 44100 -b 200 -r 15 -s 320x240 -f mp4 video_finale.mp4
[22:44] <XDS20120> when you open wubi you will see what i mean rypaint
[22:44] <brooke_> ill try
[22:44] <zhanger> rypaint: i would assume ceiling
[22:44] <newbchessplayer> I recently (attempted) to upgrade successfully to 12.04 from 11.10 (desktop 32bit) on my desktop. I had installed gnome3 prior to upgrading. During the upgrade I saw a bunch of errors about "openGL" or something similar. Now when I boot I just get a desktop with top and bottom panals that disappear within about 2-3 seconds after they appear. I can right-click to change desktop background, and I also have the "open in terminal" rig
[22:44] <newbchessplayer> ht click option, but that's it. What do I need to do to get things working in either 12.04 or 11.10, I dont care which one
[22:44] <mongy> brooke_,  install ffmpeg.  ffmpeg -i inputfile -f mp4 -sameq outputfile.mp4
[22:44] <sacarlson> fhtagn: I think you might have to change the -f XXX to what format you want it
[22:44] <rypaint> zhanger: i gathered that much lol i just dont know what a ceiling is
[22:44] <newbchessplayer> I just want to get it working again.
[22:44] <zhanger> rypaint: max size perhaps
[22:44] <fhtagn> sacarlson: brooke_
[22:45] <Relondo> XDS20120: Back. Now, what was the command you wanted me to give you the return from, again?
[22:45] <Rasmus> anyone ?
[22:45] <sacarlson> fhtagn: opps
[22:45] <fhtagn> np
[22:45] <brooke_> is it the same as pitiv
[22:45] <Relondo> XDS20120: Or I could scroll up.  Hold on.
[22:45] <ejo> cthulhu is that you?!
[22:45] <brooke_> can't take this
[22:45] <brooke_> PM me
[22:46] <Relondo> XDS20120: Here http://paste.ubuntu.com/1032866/
[22:46] <brooke_> how do you convert video to mp4
[22:47] <Rasmus> using xilisoft media converter
[22:47] <newbchessplayer> hello?
[22:47] <Rasmus> dont know though if they support linux
[22:47] <XDS20120> Relondo:  ok thanks
[22:47] <brooke_> mh..
[22:47] <XDS20120> ok i gotta go
[22:47] <brooke_> i cant find it
[22:47] <XDS20120> ill play with this more later
[22:48] <newbchessplayer> can anyone see me?
[22:48] <Rasmus> I still need help though, anyone know how to change video driver ?
[22:48] <wdp_> wylde, thanks a lot, found it.
[22:48] <mobilnoob11> If anyone knows what my options for a buggy ethernet driver in 12.04 are, I wouldn't mind hearing them...
[22:48] <XDS20120> Relondo:  rypaint  meat me in #Wubi
[22:48] <XDS20120> meet*
[22:48] <ProtekNickz> XDS20120: back, and what i was saying if you uninstall wubi and still haven't gotten all HD space back use windows DiskManagement to remove it and utilise back as NTFS/FAT which ever
[22:48] <brooke_> how do you convert videos to mp4
[22:48] <Relondo> XDS20120: K.
[22:49] <wdp_> wylde, just in case you want to know it was "apt-get remove appmenu-gtk appmenu-gtk3 appmenu-qt indicator-appmenu"
[22:49] <wdp_> ty.
[22:49] <newbchessplayer> c a n  a n y o n e  s e e  m e ?
[22:49] <XDS20120> ProtekNickz:  i cant shoot what i cant see
[22:50] <brooke_> how do u convert vids to mp4
[22:50] <Rasmus> Yes, we see you chessplayer
[22:50] <RBV> brooke_: You just asked that, give someone some time to answer
[22:50] <newbchessplayer> ok good
[22:50] <newbchessplayer> thanks
[22:50] <XDS20120> brooke_:  put.io
[22:50] <brooke_> o.o
[22:50] <newbchessplayer> I recently (attempted) to upgrade successfully to 12.04 from 11.10 (desktop 32bit) on my desktop. I had installed gnome3 prior to upgrading. During the upgrade I saw a bunch of errors about "openGL" or something similar. Now when I boot I just get a desktop with top and bottom panals that disappear within about 2-3 seconds after they appear. I can right-click to change desktop background, and I also have the "open in terminal" rig
[22:50] <newbchessplayer> ht click option, but that's it. What do I need to do to get things working in either 12.04 or 11.10, I dont care which one
[22:50]  * esing re
[22:50] <ProtekNickz> XDS20120: meaning? the DiskManagement utility on windows would be able to remove any/all partitions of linux, and you would gain 100% og hd back
[22:51] <esing> how can I verify whether I use Ubuntu Desktop (unitiy) or not?
[22:51] <zhanger> newbchessplayer: try running gnome-panel in the terminal o.o
[22:51] <saria22> hi
[22:51] <XDS20120> ProtekNickz:  how do i know what the hell im shooting at tho ?
[22:51] <sacarlson> mongy: I like your ffmpeg method better than mine,  I never knew about the -sameq option thanks
[22:51] <saria22> hi
[22:51] <XDS20120> I have other ext partitions on the drive
[22:52] <esing> the DE look didnt change
[22:52] <XDS20120> im not just going to go blindly deleting partitions
[22:52] <esing> that kind of weird, I seletced Ubuntu Desktop but everything seem the same :o
[22:52] <newbchessplayer> zhanger, "Cannot register panal shell. There is one already running"
[22:52] <ProtekNickz> XDS20120: ok i didn't relise this, i just thought it was a single installation of wubi, first time ect..
[22:53] <zhanger> newbchessplayer: sudo killall gnome-panel
[22:53] <zhanger> and try running it again
[22:53] <XDS20120> well you assumed, and when you assume .... you know :)
[22:53] <ProtekNickz> XDS20120: :D
[22:53] <zhanger> honestly i think it could be a configuration problem
[22:54] <GNS3Talk> Gents, my Ubuntu 12.04 boots up when connected to my AVR (media receiver) but and the receiver detects a signal from it when at the boot loader stage. Once it goes bound that, the receiver loses the signal! What's strange about it is that if I unplug the HDMI cable, the PC boots fine and it event detects the receiver if I plug the HDMI cable AFTER it completed the booting up process. Has anybody come across this before?
[22:54] <ProtekNickz> XDS20120: howmany ext partitions ?
[22:54] <newbchessplayer> zhanger, that fixed the panals. now where do i go from here?
[22:54] <zhanger> newbchessplayer: what else is still wrong
[22:54] <GNS3Talk> stupid auto-correction!
[22:55] <XDS20120> atleast 2 others
[22:55] <ProtekNickz> k
[22:55] <mobilnoob11> mobilnoob11
[22:55] <zhanger> wait newbchessplayer are you running unity or gnome3 session
[22:55] <newbchessplayer> zhanger, the title bars of all the windows are still missing + i would like a _permanent_ fix if possible
[22:56] <newbchessplayer> gnome3
[22:56] <Yoshimi-pink> I want to make a live cd with multiple distros on it
[22:56] <zhanger> newbchessplayer: do you have mutter installed
[22:56] <newbchessplayer> what is mutter or how do i check that it's installed?
[22:56] <sacarlson> Yoshimi-pink: I didn't know you could do that with a cd but you can with a usb
[22:57] <Yoshimi-pink> that would be interesting to learn about
[22:57] <zhanger> it's the window manager for gnome 3, the thing that draws window borders/titles, try running sudo apt-get install mutter
[22:57] <zhanger> @ newbchessplayer
[22:57] <nightKnight> sudo -s
[22:58] <newbchessplayer> zhanger, "mutter is already the newest version"
[22:58] <zhanger> okay newbchessplayer try running gnome-shell --replace
[22:59] <newbchessplayer> zhanger, sorry the application gmome-shell has closed unexpectedly
[22:59] <newbchessplayer> ""
[23:00] <lorddelta> Hello, could any linux gurus in here help me out with diagnosing some crashes I've been having recently? Where, exactly do I start looking? I know about log files, not sure which ones to look into, although I know mysql is going crazy on me.
[23:00] <brooke_> back
[23:00] <zhanger> newbchessplayer: that's odd... hmm
[23:00] <SolarisBoy> lorddelta: is it mysql crashing?
[23:00] <brooke_> so how do u covert to mp4 again
[23:00] <zhanger> at this point i would think you should try reinstalling gnome-shell i guess
[23:01] <lorddelta> SolarisBoy: Something like that...
[23:01] <SolarisBoy> lorddelta: do you have mode information on the 'something'?
[23:01] <SolarisBoy> s/mode/more
[23:02] <lorddelta> KernelLog keeps on updating with mysql main process ending, and respawning
[23:02] <wylde_> wdp_: good stuff :)
[23:02] <lorddelta> Also seeing a lot of apparmor="DENIED"
[23:03] <lorddelta> It seems to do this about every 10-30 seconds
[23:03] <lorddelta> SolarisBoy: that enough more information?
[23:03] <Nosophorus> is anyone using ubuntu precise with XFCE?
[23:03] <SolarisBoy> lorddelta: can you show the error on pastebin/gist?
[23:03] <lorddelta> That's all I've got, if you've got recommendations, that was part of the question :D
[23:03] <lorddelta> k one sec
[23:03] <SolarisBoy> lorddelta: its a little but not enough to make an assumption
[23:05] <lorddelta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1032880/
[23:05] <lorddelta> Last 100 lines
[23:05] <lorddelta> of /var/log/kern.log
[23:06] <Nosophorus> is anyone using ubuntu precise with XFCE?
[23:06] <SolarisBoy> lorddelta: ok
[23:06] <SolarisBoy> lorddelta: have changed anything with apparmor or mysql? is this a new installation of mysql that received this error? what changed if not?
[23:07] <SolarisBoy> it appears to be a denial of a mknod operation from apparmor against mysql - i would say some profile you have enabled is doing it
[23:07] <SolarisBoy> i am not sure your setup - but if you need apparmor you can disable the offending profile
[23:07] <wylde_> Nosophorus: what do you want to know? Ask your question all on one line and if anyone knows they'll answer.
[23:08] <lorddelta> SolarisBoy: I haven't touched apparmor
[23:08] <Nosophorus> thanks, wylde_! It seems there is something wrong with anti-aliasing
[23:08] <lorddelta> I barely understand it, although I know its some sort of permissions enforcement
[23:08] <lorddelta> So I don't fool with it.
[23:08] <brooke_> how do i convert video to mp4
[23:08] <Nosophorus> the fonts look like a little bit blurred
[23:08] <SolarisBoy> lorddelta: i asked you what changed though - anyway do this 'apparmor_status'
[23:08] <Guest24880> hello guys/gals, I have no sound. Im on Ubuntu 12.04..
[23:09] <SolarisBoy> lorddelta: actually 'sudo apparmor_status' if needed
[23:09] <sacarlson> Yoshimi-pink: I was wrong you can create a cd with multi boot distro http://jeysundar.blogspot.com/2009/05/multi-live-distro-in-single-cddvd.html
[23:09] <MrDave> hello guys/gals, I have no sound. Im on Ubuntu 12.04..
[23:09] <lorddelta> MySQL on the other hand: I haven't "changed" anything, although I have done web-development on it in the past.
[23:09] <SolarisBoy> lorddelta: ok how about any upgrades/updates?
[23:09] <lorddelta> Currently for whatever reason I cannot access the db, for instance my apache server has a wordpress app on it that isn't connecting corretly
[23:10] <wylde_> Nosophorus: ahh ok, hmmm I *was* using xfce .... I'm trying to remeber where the settings were for that.
[23:10] <lorddelta> SolarisBoy: no updates to my knowledge, beyond official ones with sudo apt-get update/upgrade
[23:10] <SolarisBoy> lorddelta: can you run the command please ?
[23:10] <SolarisBoy> and pastie it
[23:10] <lorddelta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1032885/
[23:11] <Ansikt> Ugh.  Transferring though my USB 1.1 ports takes forever.  I have one 2.0 port though.  Any tips for figuring out which one it is?
[23:12] <brooke_> how do u convert vids to mp4
[23:12] <SolarisBoy> lorddelta: also give pastie of this 'ls /etc/apparmor.d/' again you may need sudo
[23:12] <mobilnoob11> does anyone know a fix for the acer laptop ethernet module freeze issue?
[23:12] <lorddelta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1032888/
[23:13] <mobilnoob11> I reading right now, but so far no solution
[23:13] <sacarlson> brooke_: you can't find it?  did you try sudo apt-get install ffmpeg; ?
[23:13] <tuxx> hey guys i just installed ubuntu 12.04 via debootstrap and for some reason i cant seem to get sound playing via pulseaudio. I installed pulse-audio and it seems to be running fine (no errors in the logs) and when i play an mp3 ith mplayer for example i get: AO: [pulse] 44100Hz 2ch floatle (4 bytes per sample) but no sound is playing
[23:14] <tuxx> if i run mplayer as root then i get: AO: [pulse] Init failed: Connection refused    AO: [alsa] 48000Hz 2ch floatle (4 bytes per sample)
[23:14] <tuxx> and sound plays fine
[23:14] <SolarisBoy> ok can you now try this: it will be two commands: 'sudo ln -s /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.mysqld /etc/apparmor.d/disable/' and then do 'sudo apparmor_parser -R /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.mysqld'
[23:14] <tuxx> for some reason i'm not geting sound via pulseaudio
[23:14] <tuxx> can anyone think of a reason why?
[23:14] <mobilnoob11> K, gott run
[23:14] <Ansikt> brooke_ : use mencoder
[23:14] <MrDave> I have no sound. Im on Ubuntu 12.04..
[23:15] <lorddelta> SolarisBoy: done
[23:15] <ClientAlive> this tutorial doesn't give a concrete example and I'm not getting my syntax right in fstab. They show a generic example line "servername:dir /mntpoint nfs rw,hard,intr 0 0"  but what is "servername"??   For the love of god this has been going on for over 4 hrs. I just want to be done with it. I'm begging you please, 30 seconds of your time...
[23:15] <SolarisBoy> hmm ok
[23:15] <MrDave> wow, lots of people having sound issues
[23:15] <SolarisBoy> can you try to restart mysql and monitor your logs?
[23:15] <MrDave> i have no sound...
[23:16] <MrDave> :/
[23:16] <tuxx> MrDave: have you tried running mplayer as root?
[23:16] <tuxx> MrDave: that works for me
[23:16] <MrDave> no tux
[23:16] <tuxx> MrDave: try it?
[23:16] <MrDave> ok
[23:16] <tuxx> MrDave: for me it seems pulseaudio is the issue
[23:17] <MrDave> tuxx same here i think
[23:17] <MrDave> tuxx i got lots of terminal output running mplayer as root
[23:18] <tuxx> MrDave: can you play via alsa?
[23:18] <MrDave> no
[23:18] <MrDave> no sound anywhere
[23:18] <tuxx> MrDave: do you have /dev/snd ?
[23:18] <MrDave> whats that
[23:18] <SolarisBoy> sound device
[23:18] <tuxx> the directory
[23:18] <tuxx> ls /dev/snd
[23:18] <tuxx> does it show anything?
[23:18] <MrDave> by-path    controlC1  hwC1D0    pcmC0D0p  seq
[23:18] <MrDave> controlC0  hwC0D0     pcmC0D0c  pcmC1D3p  timer
[23:19] <tuxx> k so you have sound actually
[23:19] <MrDave> lol, ok
[23:19] <v1adimir> xubuntu 12.04 my i5-2400 is this http://sprunge.us/RhWa and it's reporting to be running @ 1600 MHz http://www.datafilehost.com/download-23228ba8.html - can someone help me pls? UEFI on default, the motherboard is: z68s-g43 (g3) @ http://www.msi.com/product/mb/Z68S-G43--G3-.html & my system is the same as: http://openbenchmarking.org/result/1203315-BY-I52500GTS02
[23:19] <MrDave> but i cant here it
[23:19] <tuxx> MrDave: theres a driver registered at least
[23:19] <MrDave> hmm
[23:20] <MrDave> but theres no fix?
[23:20] <esing> how to enable Login screen ?
[23:20] <esing> I see an option: "window manager: openbox-lubuntu"
[23:20] <esing> do I have to replace that with Unity ?
[23:20] <tuxx> MrDave: i'm sure you can play with alsa
[23:20] <MrDave> tuxx, i tried, an got nothing
[23:21] <tuxx> MrDave: run alsamixer
[23:21] <tuxx> check that your sound is not muted
[23:21] <Nik_> try1
[23:21] <Nik_> ah
[23:22] <MrDave> did, no sound... h,,
[23:22] <MrDave> hmm
[23:23] <v1adimir> .. any1 know; why xubuntu is throttling down the CPU by fault livecd install??
[23:23] <v1adimir> s/fault/default
[23:23] <v1adimir> (and how to 'fix' it :))
[23:24] <MrDave> nothing seems to work
[23:25] <wylde_> v1adimir: the throttling is probably set to "on-demand" try doing something cpu intensive and you'll see you cpu throttle up to max.
[23:25] <v1adimir> wylde_: tnx!.. how can i monitor the change, pls?
[23:25] <lorddelta> SolarisBoy: Seems like that fixed some of the issues.
[23:26] <lorddelta> ...the only other thing I'm seeing is an eCryptfs message now, and apparently I'm running Zephyr..didn't realize that.
[23:26] <MrDave> all the people with sound issues type/press Y
[23:26] <wylde_> !find cpufreq | v1adimir
[23:26] <slobad2323> join #ubuntu
[23:27] <lorddelta> slobad2323: you're already in it
[23:27] <wylde_> slobad2323: you're already here :P
[23:27] <slobad2323> Could someone please explain how ubuntu configures apache2's document root - i cannot find it anywhere
[23:27] <slobad2323> *here I am!*
[23:27] <wylde_> slobad2323: /var/www by default
[23:27] <SolarisBoy> lorddelta: hmm not to sure about that... is that related to your mysql issue?
[23:27] <meLon> I am having a hard time getting Compiz to decorate windows on DISPLAY 0.1.  I've tried compiz --replace --display :0.1 --sm-disable & and DISPLAY=:0.1 compiz --replace but neither work. Any suggestions?
[23:27] <wylde_> slobad2323: also providing you installed from the repos
[23:28] <slobad2323> I would like to change it...
[23:28] <MrDave> man i got so much downloaded an installed. I dont want to re-install Ubuntu just cause of sound issue.
[23:28] <meoblast001> hello. i'm a little concerned with what Ubuntu (probably Unity) must be doing to my machine
[23:28] <slobad2323> I installed from repos yes
[23:28] <lorddelta> SolarisBoy: I doubt it. I've never used Zephyr, it looks like some sort of chat program.
[23:28] <lorddelta> I don't know what the eCryptfs thing is.
[23:28] <lorddelta> I think I've had it almost ever since I installed Ubuntu
[23:28] <wylde_> slobad2323: config files in /etc/apache2 /etc/apache2/sites-available
[23:28] <SolarisBoy> lorddelta: not sure either - do you use an encrypted file system?
[23:28] <lorddelta> ...I know what eCryptfs is
[23:28] <lorddelta> Yes
[23:28] <meoblast001> occasionally (i can't seem to reproduce any case, because it's entirely spontaneous), the entire system will lock up (similar to what a fork bomb will do) and my hard drive activity light will go solid... this ONLY happens if i'm running Unity though
[23:29] <lorddelta> Home directory is encrypted
[23:29] <meoblast001> i left for a while and this happened, and when i came back, the hard drive activity light was still solid
[23:29] <wylde_> slobad2323: you would edit /etc/apache2/sites-available/default and modify the docroot, then restart apache 'sudo service apache2 restart
[23:29] <SolarisBoy> lorddelta: what are the symptoms of the "error"?
[23:29] <SolarisBoy> whats the result?
[23:30] <slobad2323> Is that synonymous with apachectrl restart?
[23:30] <lorddelta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1032899/
[23:30] <lorddelta> ^ Most recent kern.log
[23:30] <wylde_> slobad2323: not sure, I always use the service method
[23:30] <lorddelta> Like I said that's the only issue I'm seeing now
[23:30] <slobad2323> wylde, Thanks for pointing me to sites-available. I've not stumbled across apache configured in a modular way like this before. I will have to check it out and make sure I understand exactly what's going on here.
[23:30] <SolarisBoy> ' Valid eCryptfs headers not found in file header region or xattr region, inode 15081357'
[23:31] <SolarisBoy> its referring to a specific file/folder
[23:31] <wylde_> slobad2323: np, there's lots of documentation floating about for apache on ubuntu :)
[23:31] <kayve>  Hi I'm trying to install R on Ubuntu Precise and I keep seeing pages that say I need to provide a repository SSL key to a couple of gpg commands and I don't know what key to provide
[23:31] <wolfgang> How do i get itunes on ubuntu 12.04?
[23:31] <SolarisBoy> its saying that something about the file header's or extended attributes is not correct for cryptfs
[23:32] <tuxx> MrDave<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:32] <tuxx> MrDave: oops
[23:32] <MrDave> huh
[23:32] <tuxx> MrDave: speaker-test -c6 -D surround51
[23:32] <tuxx> try that
[23:32] <SolarisBoy> lorddelta: whats the actual problem you see if any?
[23:32] <wolfgang> How do i get itunes on ubuntu 12.04?
[23:32] <wylde_> !itunes | wolfgang
[23:32] <MrDave> Stream parameters are 48000Hz, S16_LE, 6 channels
[23:32] <MrDave> Using 16 octaves of pink noise
[23:32] <MrDave> Playback open error: -16,Device or resource busy
[23:33] <wolfgang> wylde, can i get anything that will let me work with my ipod?
[23:33] <lorddelta> SolarisBoy: Not seeing any. Not right now. :) Next step would be to verify that none of my other logs contain anything suspicous in them. If I see anything I'll let you know
[23:33] <wolfgang> !players
[23:33] <SolarisBoy> lorddelta: it appears to have something to do with 0 size files
[23:33] <SolarisBoy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ecryptfs-utils/+bug/372014
[23:33] <SolarisBoy> ill brb
[23:34] <MrDave> this may solve i t, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure
[23:34] <wylde_> wolfgang: I don't use any "i" devices too proprietary for me, there may be some useful info on the following factoid though.
[23:34] <wylde_> !ipod | wolfgang
[23:35] <tuxx> MrDave: do sudo lsof /dev/snd/*
[23:35] <tuxx> u'll need to install lsof probably
[23:35] <tuxx> that should show you which device is using the sound devices
[23:35] <tuxx> i mean wich process
[23:36] <MrDave> k
[23:36] <SolarisBoy> i wish distro's would just go ahead and start bundling lsof (and tcptraceroute) they are so useful =)
[23:36] <wolfgang> How do i do get an os on virtual machine?
[23:36] <slobad2323> I have been using gnome3 with Fedora and keep slamming my cursor into the top left hand corner of the screen to give me access to all my windows... *doh*
[23:37] <SolarisBoy> wolfgang: you mean how do you install an OS on a vm?
[23:37] <wolfgang> yeah
[23:37] <SolarisBoy> wolfgang: depending on the software your using it generally just involves pointing the vm at the install media and booting it
[23:38] <lorddelta> SolarisBoy: any idea how I would find said 0-size files?
[23:38] <lorddelta> I tried a find . -size 0c...but that's turning a ton of stuff
[23:38] <SolarisBoy> lorddelta: sure probably a few.. ;>
[23:38] <brooke_> how do i convrt vids to mp4
[23:38] <SolarisBoy> lorddelta: you can also find the inode...
[23:38] <SolarisBoy> =)
[23:38] <lorddelta> hmm true
[23:38] <tijko> my cat walked on my keyboard and then all there was some color test solid colors switching through?
[23:39] <tijko> how did she do it? and how to exit?
[23:39] <lorddelta> SolarisBoy: not familiar with dong this though, recommended command?
[23:39] <SolarisBoy> lorddelta: i would also start from /home probably if thats whats encrypted, and use something like -xdev also so you don't go off the file system
[23:39] <slobad2323> brooke_, "sudo apt-get install ffmpeg"
[23:39] <lorddelta> ...nvm
[23:39] <SolarisBoy> lorddelta: -inum
[23:39] <tijko> anyone else around
[23:39] <lorddelta> yup found it
[23:40] <slobad2323> That should be the tool you need to do the job
[23:40] <brooke_> i tried tht
[23:40] <tijko> cat walked on keyboard and now color calibration test , how to exit?
[23:40] <tijko> how did it come on to begin with?
[23:40] <SolarisBoy> lorddelta: ill be back in a few - my cat is doing crazy stuff
[23:41] <lorddelta> k
[23:41] <lorddelta> lol
[23:41] <Relondo> Anyone else having trouble accessing the rest of the Windows file system from inside Wubi?
[23:42] <wolfgang> Hay i'm trying to wright a script and nead to know the pause command, what is it?
[23:42] <tijko> color calibration hotkeys , are there any?  how to exit  color test?
[23:43] <Lil> anyone good with subversion?
[23:43] <Relondo> The video game?
[23:43] <Lil> no, the software.. lol
[23:43] <Relondo> Never heard of it lol.
[23:44] <wylde_> wolfgang: sleep I believe, altough I bet in #bash they could give you a few options
[23:44] <Relondo> When I'm installing Java, there are three options. Which one do I want?
[23:44] <wolfgang> wylde: i know the sleep command but what i meant was like "press any key to continue" sort of thing
[23:45] <slobad2323> Relondo, none. Take the box
[23:45] <Relondo> slobad2323: K.
[23:45] <xdien> Hi! they are installed libstdc + +6. i386 but fails on ubuntu x64
[23:46] <wylde_> wolfgang: not sure. Could check with #bash though.
[23:46] <wolfgang> wylde: thank you
[23:47] <meLon> Does anybody here have compiz + composite + dual display (0.0 0.1) who can help me troubleshoot not having window decorations working on the secondary monitor?
[23:48] <stueng> you guys know if its possible to make a live CD on NTFS?
[23:48] <stueng> using loopback and grub2?
[23:49] <slobad2323> wolfgang, read -p "press any key to continue"
[23:49] <xdien> I can not install libstdc + +6. I386 in ubuntu x64! error libstdc++6-4.6-dev:i386: Depends: gcc-4.6-base (= 4.6.3-1ubuntu5) but 4.6.3-1ubuntu5 is to be installed
[23:49] <xdien>                          Depends: g++-4.6 (= 4.6.3-1ubuntu5) but 4.6.3-1ubuntu5 is to be installed
[23:49] <xdien>                          Depends: libstdc++6 (>= 4.6.3-1ubuntu5) but 4.6.3-1ubuntu5 is to be installed
[23:49] <tuxx> how can you switch between digital and analog output
[23:50] <esing123> hi
[23:50] <esing123> changing my DE just doesnt work
[23:50] <mz|`> xdien: install ia32-libs ?
[23:50] <stueng> tuxx: elaborate, why cant you jsut go to audio settings and change the output ?
[23:50] <esing123> I got yet another error
[23:51] <xdien> yes
[23:51] <esing123> - - I get smthing like : Updating ICEauthority failed ...
[23:51] <esing123> Forums tell me to give ICEauthority permision to write, but there literarry is NO .ICEauthroity file in my ~ home folder
[23:51] <slobad2323> esing123, What do you have? What exactly are you trying to do? When do you get this message and where?
[23:52] <lorddelta> SolarisBoy: logs look clean for now
[23:52] <mz|`> esing123: ls -la /tmp/
[23:52] <mz|`> drwxrwxrwt  2 root    root     4096 Jun  1 01:54 .ICE-unix
[23:52] <esing123> slobad2323 i get that message when I pick Ubuntu as DE from login screen
[23:52] <esing123> slobad2323 I want to switch from LXDE to Unity
[23:52] <lorddelta> Thanks for your help
[23:52] <esing123> slobad2323 I already installed Ubuntu-Desktop packages AND Unity
[23:53] <tijko> screen calibration
[23:53] <esing123> maybe I miss some packages? I didnt find a useful instruction either
[23:53] <tijko> how to exit a screen calibration?
[23:53] <esing123> *AN
[23:53] <tijko> how to exit a screen calibration?
[23:53] <esing123> gosh it's already 2:00 iam so dead xD
[23:54] <tijko> how to exit a screen calibration?
[23:54] <tijko> how to exit a screen calibration?
[23:54] <tijko> how to exit screen calibration?
[23:54] <mz|`> tijko: stop
[23:55] <mz|`> you wait for an answer, do not spam !
[23:55] <v1adimir> i5-2400 CPU throttling, who can help me pls? http://pastebin.com/m7ChWZGS
[23:55] <tijko> board is a joke
[23:55] <stueng> you guys know if its possible to make a live CD on NTFS? Using Grub2 and loopback ?
[23:55] <Joeress> Could someone please run the following and post the output? (on my phone)
[23:55] <Joeress> date -u +%jXfce|sha256sum|sed 's/\W//g'
[23:55] <xubuntu5> android?
[23:55] <Joeress> Yeah
[23:55] <xubuntu5> you could ssh in and run the command
[23:55] <Joeress> All my machines are off
[23:56] <xubuntu5> could buy a cheap vps with ubuntu :)
[23:56] <Joeress> Need to know the output to join xcfe forum
[23:56] <xubuntu5> oooh
[23:57] <esing123> why is slobad2323 responding to my querstion and quits instantly after
[23:57] <esing123> :o
[23:57] <esing123> ^^
[23:57] <wolfgang> How do i install an os on vm?
[23:57] <wolfgang> !vm
[23:57] <reisio> wolfgang: heh
[23:57] <reisio> wolfgang: VirtualBox will be the most straightforward, kvm the best
[23:58] <wolfgang> reisio how do i install windows on Virtual box?
[23:58] <mz|`> use virt-manager/kvm
[23:58] <MGMT> Can someone help me with ati drivers for an older card?
[23:58] <mz|`> wolfgang: read tutorial on the interweb ?
[23:58] <reisio> wolfgang: it has a vm creation wizard which is straightforward, then you attach a Windows install image ("ISO" image) to it, boot up and the rest is the same
[23:58] <esing123> mz|` any ideas for my problem
[23:58] <mz|`> i already answered
[23:58] <wolfgang> reisio how from a disk?
[23:59] <reisio> wolfgang: from a disk?
[23:59] <mz|`> wolfgang: you plug CD as virtual cdrom
[23:59] <mz|`> physical -> virtual
[23:59] <wolfgang> how as virtual cd rom?
[23:59] <mz|`> read a tutorial and virtualbox documentation.
[23:59] <esing123> mz|` i see , i overread that good info
[23:59] <mz|`> esing123: no problem


[12:25] <Iv4nb> Can somebody tell me why my chanel for LoCo is not on freenode list of chanels
[12:26] <Iv4nb> chanel is : #ubuntu-me
[12:28] <DJones> Iv4nb: Which list of freenode channels do you mean?
[12:29] <Iv4nb> the one U can get from freenode server , where all chanels are listed
[12:31] <guntbert> Iv4nb: you mean /list ? thats not reliable, you search with /msg alis list *name*
[12:34] <Iv4nb> so this should be more reliable
[12:34] <Iv4nb> >alis< LIST ubuntu
[12:34] <Iv4nb> -alis- Returning maximum of 60 channel names matching 'ubuntu'
[12:34] <Iv4nb> -alis- End of output
[12:34] <Iv4nb> I got nothing for ubuntu
[12:34] <nhandler> Iv4nb: /msg alis list *ubuntu*
[12:34] <guntbert> Iv4nb: mind the * (*ubuntu*)
[12:35] <guntbert> Iv4nb: and the you might want to use -min ..., or -skip ...
[12:35] <guntbert> *then
[12:36] <Iv4nb> ok . its ok than . sry for disturbing
[12:36] <Iv4nb> tnx
[12:38] <guntbert> Iv4nb: no problem :-)
[19:41]  * genii makes more coffee
[22:34] <phantomgraph> Ello all, anyone around?
[22:34] <guntbert> phantomgraph: if you are looking for help, this is the wrong channel - please sea /topic
[22:38] <phantomgraph> Well I am looking for help, but just what channel to get it from... so may be I can suggest a new channel or something cause I've been up and haven't even got a acknowledgement.
[22:45] <phantomgraph> I'm not sure if this is the right channel, so please direct me to the correct one if this is not appropriate. I need some help figuring out why when I installed the latest CUPS update fragged all my windows machines to see the print server I set up on my Linux Box.
[22:46]  * phantomgraph cross posted to #ubuntu-meta
[22:50] <rww> phantomgraph: #ubuntu-irc-helpers and #ubuntu-meta aren't support channels. For support questions, use #ubuntu.