[04:47] <paradizelost> Bilange: you can clean out your apt cache though and free up that space.
[04:47] <brandon_> Warbo: mplayer sure as hell uses it
[04:47] <brandon_> Warbo: xine uses a package called "extra codecs"
[04:48] <LinuxJones> marcie: do lspci  | grep -i audio (see if anything comes up)
[04:48] <Bilange> paradizelost: of course ill do that-- if I do this upgrade im out of space, completly :)
[04:48] <marcie> it's an old machine P2 450...but it was a lot better than what i had before. I was thinking of moving to linux because it was more efficient and after a couple of crashes decided I WAS moving NOW
[04:48] <brandon_> Warbo: videolan uses all of its own codecs that are included witht he package, so it's a self-contained application
[04:48] <AFC> hi , can anyone tell me which ISO I need to download for a 64 bit intel processor
[04:48] <arthur> jeah VLC is fine
[04:48] <Warbo> brandon_: I thought they shared to keep space down
[04:48] <Bilange> paradizelost: thanks, and wish me luck (thats a dist-upgrade, btw)
[04:48] <brandon_> Warbo: gstreamer uses w32codecs
[04:49] <Warbo> brandon_: Does it?! Wow
[04:49] <brandon_> Warbo: no, they SHOULD share to keep space down dammit
[04:49] <brandon_> Warbo: especially since there's currently a legal issue with DTS and videolan that prevents it from being played in VLC
[04:49] <Yves> anybody else with printing problems since the last dist-upgrade in dapper ?
[04:50] <arthur> Does anyone know how a Evolution (Email) "Filter" can be executed onto received Mails?
[04:50] <td-work> question: i heard NetworkManager 0.6.1 was in "official repositories" but only 0.4.* is in my list.  what am I doing wrong?
[04:50] <marcie> it just gives me another blank command line
[04:50] <marcie> it's a pain but i'm sure i can get a used sound card for about what the Ethernet card cost me $5
[04:50] <LinuxJones> Yves: what happens when you run sudo gnome-cups-manager (if it's not listed, maybe you have to re-configure your printer again)
[04:50] <pip`>  !easyubuntu
[04:50] <Warbo> Well, my newly built CD failed as well so I'm off to mow the lawn, bye
[04:50] <LinuxJones> td-work: apt-get update
[04:50] <marcie> not sure it's worth fixing unless it is a lot more
[04:51] <brandon_> marcie: i can't believe there isn't a bacis driver that will run the stupid thing
[04:51] <Yves> LinuxJones: I have the printer installed and running, but when I look at its state in the cups webinterface, it says "printer fault"
[04:51] <pip`> !easyubuntu
[04:51] <marcie> ok then how do i find it...i'm new at this...
[04:51] <NoUse> td-work its 6.2 in dapper, 4.1 in breezy
[04:52] <paradizelost> pip`: are you trying to get easyubuntu to display in the main room?
[04:52] <brandon_> marcie: it should be loading automatically. linux runs a hardware-detection script every time it loads, and then loads modules for all of the hardware it finds automatically
[04:52] <brandon_> marcie: run the command "lspci"
[04:52] <brandon_> marcie: that will give you a detailed look at all of your pci devices
[04:52] <marcie> brandon...well yes i know...but my ethernet card was viewed as a firewire and wouldn't work no matter what i did...so i got an ethernet card...on the other hand i'm online now
[04:53] <marcie> ok i'll do that
[04:53] <paradizelost> marcie: possibly try dapper as well.....:D
[04:53] <LinuxJones> Yves: don't use the web interface stick to the gnome interface if you can. Remove your printer and re-add it again using gnome-cups-manager.
[04:53] <marcie> great it may well not be seeing my USB or Printer or sound card from what it says...
[04:53] <brandon_> marcie: find your sound card and record the data. then, run the command, "lsmod" which will give you a list of installed modules. check for a module that matches the sound card. usually, they have recognizable names
[04:54] <gill> ok now I have all the multimedia working
[04:54] <gill> time for the printer
[04:54] <paradizelost> marcie: can you cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp?
[04:55] <marcie> it sees a host bridgepci bridge isa bridge ide interfact, ok a usb controller a "bridge" my ethernet and a vga controller
[04:55] <Yves> LinuxJones: tried it, but it did not work... it worked until some days ago, without that we changed anything. I prefer the webinterface because I have to manage the printers over the internet and it's faster. I read the readme and gave the necessary permissions so that the web interface has all the rights it needs
[04:55] <marcie> paradize lost...is that a shell command...i don't recognize it?
[04:56] <cwatson> "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/fb0" is fun
[04:56] <brandon_> marcie: are you sure you have a sound card?
[04:56] <marcie> ok i'll put it in (looking forward to seeing at what i get spit out at me)
[04:56] <marcie> yes i had sound that worked just fine in windows and i had a good ethernet connection in windows as well
[04:57] <gill> I go into Add a Printer, and under 'User a detexted printer' it has 7 entries each prefixed with Epson Stylus they read 'directory', 'file', 'ls', 'mtink', 'No', 'or' and 'such'
[04:57] <paradizelost> marcie: yes it's a shell command
[04:57] <LinuxJones> Yves: is this a local printer (connected to your computer) or a remote printer that your trying to access
[04:57] <gill> which one is useable if any?
[04:57] <marcie> it may not be a "card" When i put in the ethernet card (come to think of it) most of it seemed to be not on cards but integrated
[04:57] <brandon_> marcie: lspci should still find it
[04:57] <NoUse> gill that sounds like a bug, can you pastebin a screen shot?
[04:58] <gill> NoUse: sure thing
[04:58] <Yves> LinuxJones: yes, local by usb (hp 1022), here the problem (I guess) from the error_log of cups: E [10/May/2006:15:22:40 +0200]  PID 6766 (/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip) crashed on signal 9! E [10/May/2006:15:22:40 +0200]  PID 6767 (/usr/lib/cups/backend/usb) crashed on signal 9!
[04:58] <void^> it's probably a good old isa soundcard
[04:58] <gill> void: I love good old sound cards they always work
[04:58] <LinuxJones> Yves: have you done and apt-get update/upgrade today ?
[04:59] <gill> NoUse: what is the paste bin?
[04:59] <NoUse> !tell gill about pastebin
[04:59] <void^> gill: especially if they're jumperless but _not_ pnp
[04:59] <marcie> I'm not typing the command in exactly right...can you give it to me again. Maybe the program should find it...so how do i make the program find it ;-)
[04:59] <Yves> LinuxJones: yes, I am fully up-to-date
[04:59] <bongshew> is there a graphical grub.conf editor?
[04:59] <LinuxJones> Yves: your running Breezy or Dapper ?
[05:00] <dorel_> dapper is so leet with glx
[05:00] <marcie> i think the computer is from around 1999 or so if that helps
[05:00] <dorel_> sorry, just felt like commenting :P
[05:01] <td-work> NoUse, how do I add a 6.2 source to my sources list?
[05:01] <gill> void: I had to use a good only 3 port PCI instead of the fubar nforce audio 6 port job
[05:01] <gill> old*
[05:01] <idefix> I got this error: There were no decoders found to handle the stream, you might need to install the corresponding plugins
[05:01] <gill> NoUse: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13756
[05:01] <marcie> (and configured right it does pretty much all i want it too...video is a problem...sometimes decoding news programs...but plays mp3, uses the internet fine etc
[05:02] <NoUse> td-work you can't really, dapper comes out in a couple weeks though
[05:02] <treyh0> what's the "name" of the latest released ubuntu, 5.10?  that's what's stupid about apt sources.list, i can't enter a version, i have to enter some goofy name
[05:02] <treyh0> i know it's not warty
[05:02] <marcie> I'm primarily visual...but i would still like that sound card to work!
[05:02] <speedie> I installed JDK6Beta, but Firefox doesn't recognize that it's installed, any ideas?
[05:02] <idefix> should I just install all the libflacs and the flac and the liboggflacs, vdr and xmms-flac?
[05:02] <bongshew> treyh0: breezy badger i think
[05:03] <treyh0> bongshew: thanks
[05:03] <idefix> that is probably a crude solution
[05:03] <NoUse> gill I could be wrong but I'd be thats not supposed to happen :-), this dapper?
[05:03] <gill> NoUse: no this is Breezy
[05:03] <gill> NoUse: I will try and run from console
[05:03] <gill> NoUse, if I knew how
[05:03] <marcie> Am i going to have to put tons of new cards in here...that will be a pain the ass and an expense i'd prefer to miss, even if i tend to know where to look for used parts.  Anyone else get the nerves temporarily?
[05:05] <marcie> uhm p2 450
[05:05] <marcie> if you want more specific...i can ask..
[05:05] <marcie> just give me the command line code
[05:06] <jksd> I just did a:
[05:06] <jksd> $ sudo cp * /windows/*
[05:06] <jksd> does this mean I've ovewritten my /windows dir?
[05:06] <jksd> :/
[05:07] <marcie> i've got a 64mb and 128 mb ram in it, the cd is only a CD rom, but that isn't a big priority for me (although getting my Mp3 player going is...and unless i can get wine to work i'll have no warranty left)
[05:07] <_jason> jksd: it just overwrote files with same name
[05:07] <jksd> _jason: but I was in directory /vmware
[05:08] <marcie> the computer is an ibm 300 pl
[05:08] <marcie> the only complaint i had before this was it only had 3 ports available in the front...it worked fine before
[05:08] <jksd> _jason: so it was like: $ sudo cp /vmware/* /windows/*
[05:08] <jksd> _jason: have I lost them?
[05:09] <_jason> jksd: depends on what was in vmware, any file that had the same name as a file in windows would get overwritten I believe
[05:09] <marcie> not that this is ubuntu's fault...rather stupid how they are allowed to do proprietary stuff still...i mean i had some problems in 1993 with a computer that played some of those tricks, but i thought by 1999 it was history
[05:09] <marcie> not like i could "buy" their products now anyway
[05:09] <jksd> _jason: I just had one file in that directory
[05:10] <paradizelost> marcie: hp/compaq still does it
[05:10] <BaniCity> hola ubuntu es espaol
[05:10] <_jason> jksd: so if you had a, b, c in vmware and c, d in window, your windows would then have a, b, c, d with c coming from vmware
[05:10] <BaniCity> #ubuntu-es no me entra
[05:10] <gnomefreak> !es
[05:10] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[05:10] <marcie> yes actually i did hear a rumour about them..but not about IBM and i wasn't sure "how much" it was proprietary...there should be some rules about it
[05:11] <jksd> _jason: I had one file called VMware-server-installer-e.x.p-23870.exe
[05:11] <jksd>  in /vmware
[05:11] <_jason> jksd: then your /windows should be fine
[05:11] <jksd> _jason: there's no VMware-server-installer-e.x.p-23870.exe
[05:11] <jksd>  in /windows
[05:11] <jksd> _jason: great :)
[05:11] <marcie> the first piece of extra memory i got wouldn't work either...ibm didn't like it...but the next piece worked...it was only then i had any idea i could run into trouble
[05:11] <jksd> _jason: that gave me a scare, thanks
[05:12] <bongshew> is there some interactive tool in ubuntu for editting the grub menu or should i just edit the menu.1st file
[05:12] <marcie> and i thought that was it
[05:12] <jksd> _jason: what's this all about though...
[05:12] <jksd> cp: omitting directory `/windows/Documents and Settings'
[05:12] <jksd> cp: omitting directory `/windows/found.000'
[05:12] <_jason> jksd: wait, I just reread your line... hmm.  It should actually copy everything to the last dfirectory in /windows
[05:12] <fran> hello a todos soy de espaa
[05:12] <fran> hola ke tal
[05:12] <_jason> jksd: echo /windows/*, what is the last thing it says?
[05:12] <marcie> can anyone give me an idea on how get wine running...i can't use my mp3 player until it's working
[05:12] <fran> no se ingle me he metido por error
[05:12] <_jason> !es
[05:12] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[05:13] <fran> alguien ke hable espaol
[05:13] <sasho> Hello there.. I'm linux newbie and I just downloaded some gnome themes gnome-themes-extras_0.8.1-0ubuntu1_all.deb .. How do I install them now?
[05:13] <fran> please
[05:13] <_jason> fran: /join #ubuntu-es
[05:13] <fran> ke
[05:13] <jksd> _jason: /windows/WUTemp
[05:13] <fran> nose
[05:13] <marcie> i know mp3's aren't big in the linux community...but my warranty doesn't exist if i can't make it look like it has been used by windows...something i found with almost all mp3 players i look at including ipods
[05:13] <_jason> jksd: check the inside of that, the cp command should have copied all the files in there (it would omit directories as you saw)
[05:14] <marcie> i know i need to change the repository. I found the wine file but i'm having trouble finding the file for configuring it
[05:14] <jksd> _jason: yeah that's exacty what it's done heh :)
[05:14] <salmiak> marcie, about the warranty, that's some really terrible information. Yuck
[05:14] <jksd> _jason: so all the other files are intact, I don't need to take them out of WUTemp?
[05:15] <sasho> Can you at least give me some url where I can read more about it? How do I install themes on ubuntu etc?
[05:15] <fran> alguien ke hable espaol
[05:15] <salty> hi all; i'm a newbie with a dillema - i've run out of ideas, and i dont know where to turn now - i'm a uni student with exams at the doorstep, i've a laptop with no internal HD (died about a week ago), and no USB boot support - i need a boot CD that will allow me to run Ubuntu off an external USB HD - i've googled for days, i've tried making boot disks according to the information available - but no go (the kernel wont acknowledge my externa
[05:15] <salty> l) - can anyone help, where can i get an ISO - or where am i going wrong!!
[05:15] <fran>  en esta sala
[05:15] <_jason> jksd: no everything should be there since you used cp, you just have extra copies of the files in the first level of /vmware and /windows in that directory
[05:15] <fran> gay_granada
[05:15] <marcie> slmiak: well i know the extended warranty on ipods worked that way...i didn't realize mine did until after i bought it...but i could have returned it...except they all the one's with any quality seemed the same and the other's warranties didn't cover anything
[05:15] <gnomefreak> fran: #ubuntu-es
[05:15] <gill> hmm, ok I go to the gnome printers website in search of my printer, an Epson D68 I find that the printer is suported by them. but I look in the add-printer list of Epsom drivers and it's not there.
[05:16] <bongshew> sasho: System - Preferences - Theme
[05:16] <jksd> _jason: did cp create the WUTemp?
[05:16] <_jason> jksd: nope
[05:16] <marcie> you know the cheapest one's...
[05:16] <jksd> _jason: oh ok
[05:16] <sasho> thanks bongshew
[05:16] <cion> hey all how do I install flashplayer on firefox <IP_ADDRESS>?
[05:16] <gnomefreak> ubotu tell cion about flash
[05:16] <_jason> cion: are you using breezy?
[05:17] <gnomefreak> cion: read your pm from ubotu
[05:17] <_jason> gnomefreak: does the wiki go into symlinking into /opt/firefox/plugins/ ?
[05:17] <marcie> so i need to use "their" disk to convert my files to mp3 and then move them to my player. Their disk means using windows. I think theorectically i could use another windows program but theirs works well enough...and if i'm stuck in windows...well it'sn hasn't been worth the trouble of  finding another program yet
[05:17] <cion> _jason Yeah
[05:17] <jksd> _jason: thanks for your help :)
[05:17] <_jason> jksd: np
[05:17] <gnomefreak> _jason: (the ff one does i thought
[05:17] <bongshew> time to see if my grub menu still works :]
[05:17] <_jason> cion: so your firefox is in /opt then?
[05:17] <gnomefreak> !flash
[05:17] <ubotu> Installation & troubleshooting for Flash is covered in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:17] <cion> _jason yes
[05:17] <gnomefreak> looking now
[05:18] <_jason> cion: is flashplugin-nonfree installed?
[05:18] <marcie> I'm very happy with how it works and sounds...which is an important part of it.
[05:18] <cion> _jason i can't find the package even with multiverse reps on
[05:18] <_jason> cion: can you put your sources.list on pastebin please? pastebin url: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[05:18] <gnomefreak> _jason: this one sudo ln -s /usr/lib/libesd.so.0 /usr/lib/libesd.so.1
[05:19] <_jason> gnomefreak: I believe that's to fix some dumb hard coding of file locations in the plugin so that it uses esd
[05:19] <salmiak> marcie, i don't _really_ understand your problem...you want to convert your music files to mp3?
[05:19] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[05:19] <marcie> i know this is maybe for more basic stuff...anyone willing to change rooms and help me get my MP3 stuff working. I"m getting tired of the same old albums...and it's a small size disk (as far as i'm concerned i just moved the mp3s back and forth...and got the player for less...at the same quality as the more expensive one's cause of size)
[05:20] <gnomefreak> _jason: if you give me the command for it i will add it to the page
[05:20] <marcie> 1. My warranty is void if they can tell i've not used a Mac or Windows. I'm pretty sure they'll overlook it as long as it looks close to have be beeing used in Windows...but i need to be careful.
[05:21] <azurehuesofblue> I've tried using my restore discs and stuff and I keep getting this error... I've included a few lines for context but it's mostly the bottom couple lines... could somone look at it? http://pastebin.com/709510
[05:21] <marcie> #2 The program it came worth works well enough in creating the type of "mp3
[05:21] <marcie> mp3
[05:21] <salmiak> how could they track that you haven't been using windows/mac?
[05:21] <marcie> formt of the flashdrive
[05:21] <cion> _jason: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13757
[05:21] <_jason> gnomefreak: for breezy it would be sudo ln -s /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/*flash* /opt/firefox/plugins   if they followed the wiki for firefox and installed flashpugin-nonfree already
[05:21] <salmiak> ntfs, fat32?
[05:21] <_jason> gnomefreak: I think,..
[05:22] <gnomefreak> ty adding it now ;)
[05:22] <NoUse> gill sorry I had to duck out for a second, any luck with the printer?
[05:22] <marcie> Also i'm not sure if the song listings will work if i don't use it in windows...although i'm more concerned about my warranty. I don't expect it to break...but a warranty is important and i just got it in February
[05:22] <_jason> cion: you only have multiverse for backports.  Do you want to fix this by editing that file or using synaptic?
[05:23] <cion> _jason: I'll follow ur steps so u decide
[05:23] <kailash> hello all
[05:23] <_jason> cion: ok, do this: gksudo 'gedit /etc/apt/sources.list'
[05:23] <marcie> I'm concerned i might accidently erase the bit of the program that runs the machine (about 5mb) on the flashdrive if i'm not working in windows...you CAN"T do that in windows...otherwise i can get it to reformat itself for windows (it can do that).
[05:23] <cion> roger go ahead
[05:23] <marcie> As i said...even if there is some sign of linux i don't think they would care...but i NEED to keep that file safe
[05:24] <salmiak> ah, but hmm...ipod?
[05:24] <_jason> cion: add the word `` multiverse'' to the end of lines 20,21,36, and 37
[05:24] <marcie> i don't know ipods rules...i know their extended warranty is the same and i believe if that's the case their general warranty is the same
[05:24] <Tedd> IPod's suck.
[05:24] <paradizelost> marcie: you could do a dd if=/dev/usbdevice of=/home/usbdrivebackup
[05:24] <Tedd> They break and scratch easily, they're way overpriced, and they get more credit than they deserve.
[05:24] <gill> I agree, apples sucks apples
[05:24] <HedgeMage> How can I reduce the sensitivity of my laptop's touch pad? something in a recent update made it so sensitive it's driving me nuts
[05:25] <marcie> and personally i don't like IPODS. They are expensive for what they do. When they first introduced them in Britain they wouldn't replace a dead battery (you needed to buy a new ipod). I"m not in Britain...but it took a humongous fuss to get that fixed, which turns me off.
[05:25] <NoUse> Tedd the creatie nomads are now more expenseive that ipods
[05:25] <salmiak> yeah, backup the usb device. That'd be smart
[05:25] <cion> _jason ok done
[05:25] <Tedd> NoUse, then don't get a creative nomad
[05:25] <frfx2> i have installed some little games with synaptic.but the games don't appear in Applications > Games.if i want to play them i must go to /usr/games/ is there a solution?
[05:25] <Tedd> Go with whta I did, and get the Zen MicroPhoto
[05:25] <Tedd> I can honestly reccomend it
[05:25] <_jason> cion: save the file, run 'sudo apt-get update', then try installing flashplugin-nonfree again
[05:26] <NoUse> Tedd my point is they are pretty much on par with other portable media devices as far as price
[05:26] <marcie> The stores that sell IPODS here have a DOA policy. Most things can be exchanged during a warranty if they break. Broken IPOD that wasn't "Dead on arrival" when you bought it needed to (generally) go back to Apple...all that type of stuff doesn't make me that interested in ipods
[05:26] <Tedd> It's a great piece of hardware, and if you splurge and spend the extra 40 for the 2-year-warranty, you're golden.
[05:26] <cion> _jason ok
[05:26] <azurehuesofblue> how do I fix this, I'm bummed... http://pastebin.com/709510
[05:26] <Tedd> As far as price goes, nouse, you have me. But in terms of reliability and capabilities, they're very different things
[05:27] <_jason> azurehuesofblue: what is http://theli.free.fr/packages/breezy/ ?
[05:27] <cion> _jason ok got it
[05:27] <kailash> hello all am wondering how do I share an internet connection with other computers? I mean I have a Hoary box and connect to the adsl through a eagle-usb modem .. I need to share internet to other computers
[05:27] <cion> _jason that's it?
[05:27] <_jason> azurehuesofblue: (I think that's for listen and that breezy repo doesn't exist anymore)  I would just remove it from your sources.list
[05:27] <marcie> you are golden but they won't fix them in the city...and it says right on the extended warranty only valid if you use Mac or Windows...it may be a country thing that they can do that...maybe it can be challenged in court but it would cost way more than the ipod
[05:27] <_jason> cion: nope
[05:28] <_jason> cion: ls /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/*flash*  <-- what does that return?
[05:28] <cion> _jason ok go ahead
[05:28] <marcie> i was able to get a warranty that extended my mp3 player to 3 years for $30...the IPOD one here is $60-70 for TWO years
[05:28] <marcie> and if mine breaks they'll fix it here...not ship it elsewhere...
[05:28] <azurehuesofblue> ok yeah, I want to get rid of it, I don't want it, I think it goes with some crappy media player... how do i remove it... ok hol up sorry ill put that.
[05:28] <marcie> Now what was someone saying about backing up the file...i wasn't sure how to do that
[05:28] <kailash> hello all am wondering how do I share an internet connection with other computers? I mean I have a Hoary box and connect to the adsl through a eagle-usb modem .. I need to share internet to other computers
[05:29] <dooglus> azurehuesofblue: the correct URL is http://theli.free.fr/packages/_breezy_obsoltete/
[05:29] <salmiak> dd if=/dev/usbdevice of=/home/usbdrivebackup
[05:29] <paradizelost> marcie: dd if=/dev/usbdevice of=/home/usbbackup
[05:29] <_jason> azurehuesofblue: gksudo 'gedit /etc/apt/sources.list'    <-- do that and then delete the line with http://theli.free.fr/packages/breezy/ in it, then run 'sudo apt-get update'
[05:29] <marcie> ok so if i connect the mp3 player and then type it in?
[05:29] <marcie> (i love hacks...but i don't know all that many)
[05:29] <cion> _jason /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/flashplayer.xpt
[05:29] <cion> /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[05:29] <salmiak> marcie, man dd ;)
[05:30] <_jason> cion: ok, now do this: sudo ln -s /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/*flash* /opt/firefox/plugins
[05:30] <azurehuesofblue> ok so forget the dooglus comment (sorry dooglus just trying to get clear) _jason?
[05:30] <paradizelost> marcie: just make sure you don't do it the other way around or you'll erase your device....
[05:30] <HedgeMage> fwiw, it sounds like marcie and I share the same opinion of iPods, and I <3 my iRiver (native ogg support, yay!, extended warranty for 3 years WITH accidental damage and theft insurance $20 via amazon.com)
[05:30] <_jason> azurehuesofblue: if you want to use that player, then do what dooglus said.  If you don't want that repository, then delete as I said
[05:30] <HedgeMage> oh, and the particular one I have has a waterproofing system for underwater fun
[05:30] <dooglus> azurehuesofblue: if you don't want that repository, delete the line(s) from /etc/apt/source.list; if you do want it, fix the URL
[05:30] <salmiak> it copies whatever you want. IF = read from file, OF = write to file
[05:30] <gill> how can I tell wat version of cups I have?
[05:31] <marcie> jason ?
[05:31] <paradizelost> i have a 512mb rio, works great, and i download music w/ napster and itunes, i just use tunebite to re-record the encoded files to a standard mp3
[05:31] <NoUse> gill dpkg -l | grep cups
[05:31] <_jason> marcie: ?
[05:31] <azurehuesofblue> I went to the website... it's some shitty player lol... Imma get rid of it. :)
[05:31] <gnomefreak> _jason: i added it
[05:31] <Alpha2x> Anyone here who could help me with a small usb issue
[05:31] <_jason> gnomefreak: thanks
[05:31] <gnomefreak> yw
[05:31] <marcie> sorry jason wrong person...paradizelost...what do you mean
[05:31] <cion> _jason done
[05:32] <NoUse> !justask
[05:32] <ubotu> - Ask your question and we'll try to answer it.
[05:32] <_jason> cion: now close all instances of firefox, start it again, and visit http://badgerbadgerbadger.com/
[05:32] <paradizelost> marcie: what do i mean about what?
[05:32] <Alpha2x> ok basicaly ive just got a KVM with has a built in hub, and ubuntu isnt detecting any of the kvm when i switch to it
[05:32] <kailash> hello all am wondering how do I share an internet connection with other computers? I mean I have a Hoary box and connect to the adsl through a eagle-usb modem .. I need to share internet to other computers
[05:33] <marcie> HMM...are you saying i can put totally different software on it to display the songs and all that?
[05:33] <paradizelost> kailash: if the usb-modem shows up as an eth# just use firestarter to set up your rules
[05:33] <salmiak> kailash, i'd recommend using firestarter :)
[05:33] <cion> _jason excelent
[05:33] <kailash> thx mates
[05:33] <cion> _jason thx man
[05:33] <NoUse> Alpha2x run 'dmesg' and see if outputs anything about your hub/kvm
[05:33] <_jason> cion: np
[05:33] <marcie> AND that i can save the original file on it so that if  reloaded it it would work like before...keeping the warranty good
[05:33] <brandon_> kailash: you need what's called a router
[05:33] <Alpha2x> ok
[05:33] <kailash> well i want ubuntu b a router
[05:33] <salmiak> kailash, i'm using ubuntu as router here ;)=
[05:33] <paradizelost> marcie: basically.  but bear in mind, if you dd if=/home/newfile of=/dev/usbdevice it would overwrite the filesystem
[05:34] <salmiak> ;)*
[05:34] <kailash> iptables
[05:34] <kailash> ?
[05:34] <salmiak> yup
[05:34] <azurehuesofblue> _jason, this is a mess, it said none of the athentication protocols specified are host supported authentication failed and my source.list file is blank
[05:34] <marcie> It's on some hidden partion...i can't see the file...i know it is there because of the space it takes and by reading the manual
[05:34] <brandon_> kailash: you can do that, but it will not function as well as a good router would
[05:34] <kailash> god thats a head ache
[05:34] <marcie> (the part that runs the player now)
[05:34] <paradizelost> marcie: can you cfdisk /dev/usbdevice?  should show you what's there
[05:34] <Alpha2x> yeah its showing up there
[05:34] <_jason> azurehuesofblue: paste exactly what you typed please (you can ignore that warning that is output but your sources hsould not be empty :))
[05:34] <salmiak> brandon_, yes it works better than an ordinary router?
[05:34] <marcie> I'll do that
[05:35] <marcie> (if nothing else i'll be recharging it...but as i said i went for a small drive but better quality...so i'm getting bored
[05:35] <paradizelost> marcie: but remember, it could hose the device...
[05:35] <brandon_> salmiak: now see here..
[05:36] <paradizelost> if you overwrite the system...
[05:36] <azurehuesofblue> gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:36] <azurehuesofblue> that's exactly what I tyeped _jason
[05:36] <_jason> azurehuesofblue: you need the quotes like I put them
[05:36] <salmiak> brandon_, my brother plays alot and he says he got better ping and higher speed than before...Ok, to be honest, our router sucked. D-link 604 ;)
[05:36] <azurehuesofblue> ok sorry, brb
[05:36] <paradizelost> !disclaimer
[05:36] <Alpha2x> NoUse, Its appearing there
[05:36] <ubotu> What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, paradizelost
[05:36] <dooglus> azurehuesofblue: did that show you a bunch of lines beginning with "deb "?
[05:36] <NoUse> Alpha2x what part of the KVM should ubuntu be detecting and what should it be doing?
[05:36] <marcie> well the reason i want to use wine is because i don't want to hose the device...to be honest i'm low income, had a temporary job during the last election and this was one of my two "treats" for 6 weeks of work
[05:37] <Alpha2x> well its supposed to be routing through a usb mouse and headset
[05:37] <frfx2>  i have installed some little games with synaptic.but the games don't appear in Applications > Games.if i want to play them i must go to /usr/games/ is there a solution?
[05:37] <gnomefreak> _jason: im thinking we need to find atleast a work around for that lol
[05:37] <Alpha2x> its doing the keyboard (PS2) and screen fine
[05:37] <gill> frfx2 have you tried the menu editor?
[05:37] <marcie> (sorry if that sounds pathetic...i guess it does, forget it)
[05:37] <Alpha2x> if i pluged the receiver in directly it works
[05:37] <paradizelost> salmiak: the linksys/dlink/belkin etc... routers are very limited, they don't have much memory, etc.. while they're great for general internet use, i wouldn't not use a linux machine as a router.
[05:38] <paradizelost> salmiak: they are a lot more flexible, plus can use as much memory as you have in the system for handling the traffice
[05:38] <NoUse> Alpha2x does this device require software when used on Windows?
[05:38] <Alpha2x> nope it just works
[05:38] <dooglus> paradizelost: linksys routers *are* linux machines, aren't they?
[05:38] <NoUse> Alpha2x when you plug the mouse into the hub does it get registed in dmesg?
[05:38] <marcie> OTOH generally i can get old computers to work fine...this machine is a real upgrade from my P2 200...
[05:39] <dinamizador> hola
[05:39] <azurehuesofblue> _jason, same old rejection message, but at least my sources.list is alive with activity, I'll look for the url
[05:39] <marcie> new operating systems take longer
[05:39] <salmiak> paradizelost, i didn't really follow you there...you would NOT use a linux machine as router, because they are more flexible?
[05:39] <mcrawfor> hey guys, I'm using the apache2-ssl-certificate program to create my own ssl certs.  How can I make them last longer than a month! it only signs them for a tiny period and I have to re-run the program.
[05:39] <dooglus> salmiak: he said he would not not use a linux machine.
[05:39] <paradizelost> dooglus: yes, but they have all of about 8mb memory.
[05:40] <azurehuesofblue> deb http://theli.free.fr/packages/breezy/ ./
[05:40] <azurehuesofblue> ## created by arnielistenadded
[05:40] <paradizelost> salmiak: by saying i wouldn't not use a linux machine, it says i would only use a linux machine...
[05:40] <kailash> i'd rather use my linux box than buy a router
[05:40] <frfx2> gill: yeah that works but now i dont have a icon in my Applications > Games (just a standard window)
[05:40] <azurehuesofblue> _jason, that was the last line
[05:40] <kailash> but configuring iptables is a headache
[05:40] <dooglus> azurehuesofblue: just delete all the lines which mention theli.free.fr
[05:40] <_jason> azurehuesofblue: you can delete those two, then save, and run 'sudo apt-get update' without the quotes in your terminal
[05:40] <gill> frfx2: I don't understand, as long as you add the games you want to the menu using the same commands as you use in /usr/games
[05:41] <kailash> any good tutorials you can point me to?
[05:41] <dooglus> _jason: why do you suggest 'sudo' sometimes and 'gksudo' others?  is there any advantage of one over the other?  I use 'sudo' for everything, myself.
[05:41] <gnomefreak> dooglus: are you on breezy?
[05:41] <Alpha2x> NoUse, it doesnt appear so
[05:41] <dooglus> gnomefreak: I'm on XP at the moment.
[05:41] <salmiak> paradizelost, confuse me more ;) It may be because my english is not really that great. I'm swedish, you see...But i do not at all understand what you mean .You were being ironic? ;)
[05:41] <azurehuesofblue> cool, thank you both dooglus and _jason, I was stressn.
[05:41] <gnomefreak> :(
[05:41] <dooglus> gnomefreak: other times I alternate between dapper and sid
[05:41] <_jason> dooglus: gksudo for gui stuff
[05:41] <gnomefreak> dooglus: gksudo is for gui apps
[05:41] <NoUse> Alpha2x and if you plug it straight into the computer it works?
[05:41] <_jason> azurehuesofblue: np
[05:41] <paradizelost> salmiak: no, it's called a double negative
[05:41] <dooglus> _jason: sudo works for gui stuff too for me
[05:41] <marcie> Hedgemaze...would you be willing to move to another channel to give me some help on this...i know it is more than basic, which is what i guess this is for...but having MP# player working is important to me
[05:42] <paradizelost> salmiak: lets say you subtract a negative number
[05:42] <paradizelost> salmiak: that's the same as adding the number...
[05:42] <salmiak> paradizelost, crap, didn't see the "not". :) sorry then
[05:42] <_jason> dooglus: yes, but you run the risk of having an app writing to config files in your $HOME as root and changing ownership (seems to happen with k3b for example)
[05:42] <Alpha2x> NoUse, Yeah if i plug both devices in directly they work fine
[05:42] <gnomefreak> can i have 3 breezy users run a command for me and tell me if it opens a blank file or not?
[05:42] <NoUse> Alpha2x can you give me the model of this kvm/hub?
[05:42] <_jason> dooglus: like some of those .Xauthority ownership problems we see sometimes are most likely due to something like that
[05:42] <dooglus> _jason: I think that was an old k3b bug.  It doesn't happen any more, does it.
[05:43] <paradizelost> dooglus: _jason,  why not just log in to gnome as root and run the stuff you need??? ;)
[05:43] <kailash> well firestarter is a firewall no?
[05:43] <dooglus> paradizelost: I don't have a root password set
[05:43] <kailash> how cud it help me?
[05:43] <paradizelost> kailash: it's a firewall configuration program
[05:43] <dooglus> paradizelost: and I don't run GNOME, either
[05:43] <marcie> root password is the same as what you sign in as
[05:43] <gnomefreak> kailash: firestarter is a frontend to the iptables
[05:43] <paradizelost> kailash: you tell it what is your internal and what is your external
[05:43] <dooglus> marcie: yeah, right.
[05:43] <kailash> ah kewl
[05:43] <kailash> thanks
[05:43] <paradizelost> kailash: and it configures everything for you
[05:43] <Alpha2x> NoUse, its an unbranded one i got from ebuyer
[05:44] <kailash> thanks mates
[05:44] <marcie> doogplus: i learn quickly...but i still need to learn it
[05:44] <paradizelost> dooglus: well, kde, blackbox, fluxbox evolution, whatever you run...
[05:44] <Alpha2x> i can give u a link to a manual for it
[05:44] <frfx2> gill: yes but now i dont have a little image before the name of the game.i can add a image to the entry but i dont know where the icon of the game is
[05:44] <paradizelost> dooglus: it was meant as a sarcastic remark...
[05:44] <dooglus> marcie: the root password and the user password are quite different.  by default there is no root password in ubuntu, the root account is locked if you use the basic install method
[05:44] <paradizelost> !root
[05:44] <ubotu> Direct login as the root user is disabled in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[05:45] <NoUse> Alpha2x I'm out of ideas, you might try reporting it as a bug
[05:45] <r0cc0> which software to choose for burning cd and dvds?
[05:45] <paradizelost> dooglus: it's not locked per-se,  you could sudo su -
[05:45] <NoUse> !tell Alpha2x about bugs
[05:45] <NoUse> !tell Alpha2x about bug
[05:45] <dooglus> paradizelost: the account is locked, as in "passwd -l"
[05:45] <marcie> doogplus: well as long as put the Seudo in doesn't it work the same way...(after you ask to move to the terminal and the password is your sign in?) God I'd hate to give bad answers...
[05:45] <minimec> kailash: Hi. I always used 'bastille' for my router-config. It's some kind of router/firewall Software
[05:45] <gill> frfx2: try looking in /usr/local/share/ or /usr/share/ you can also use the locate program to great effect
[05:46] <kailash> bastille? is it user friendly?
[05:46] <paradizelost> minimec: there's lots of programs to automatically configure iptables
[05:46] <salmiak> but isn't it possible to write "sudo bash" to get a root terminal?
[05:46] <dooglus> marcie: you can use sudo to run commands as root, but not to log in to GNOME as root
[05:46] <minimec> kailash: You mught love that. The configuration is some kind of 'question-answer game' ;)
[05:46] <kailash> kewl
[05:46] <teletubbie> hi
[05:46] <kailash> gonna give it a shot thanks minimec
[05:47] <marcie> dooglus: ah i see...i tend to think of doing anything as root as being command line
[05:47] <kailash> are you french?
[05:47] <teletubbie> can gparted resize partitions?
[05:47] <NoUse> teletubbie yes
[05:47] <marcie> dooglus: didn't realize there was any other way
[05:47] <vengeful>  im trying to get gnome network manager working in xubuntu
[05:47] <dooglus> salmiak: you can get a root terminal using 'sudo -i', 'sudo -s', 'sudo bash', or the old favourite 'sudo su -'
[05:47] <paradizelost> dooglus: you can't log into gnome as root, unless you configure gdm/kdm to allow root logins anyways.
[05:47] <vengeful> i have it set to start gnome preferences and i have the taskbar up but i dont see the applet and i cant add it the usual way to add applets
[05:47] <ferronica> hello room
[05:47] <HedgeMage> hi ferronica
[05:48] <kailash> kewl there is internet connection sharing in firestarter!
[05:48] <marcie> well i'm going to sign off for now
[05:48] <marcie> bye
[05:48] <ferronica> HedgeMage: hi
[05:48] <dooglus> paradizelost: you don't have to use gdm at all - a 'startx' from a vc will run GNOME
[05:48] <MonsieurBon> hello
[05:48] <paradizelost> also true.
[05:48] <salmiak> kailash, that's partly what it's for :)
[05:48] <paradizelost> but it's easer to add the line to allow root logins....
[05:48] <MonsieurBon> I'm looking for the bbips script mentioned here: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#bbips Does someone know where to find it?
[05:48] <ferronica> HedgeMage: Do u know how to update new firefox 1.5, bcoz Check for update option is DIM..
[05:49] <paradizelost> kailash: the only place i haven't liked firetsarter is if you have multiple internal interfaces.
[05:49] <paradizelost>  wget -c http://frankandjacq.com/ubuntuguide/bbips.0.3.2.sh
[05:49] <kailash> wow whats that?
[05:49] <dooglus> ferronica: in ubuntu firefox doesn't update itself, the same as the other packages don't.  updates are handled by APT
[05:49] <kailash> i mean multiple internal interfaces
[05:49] <MonsieurBon> paradizelost, I would not ask, if it was there!
[05:49] <paradizelost> MonsieurBon: you could use web.archive.org or google cache and see if it's there
[05:50] <slackern> MonsieurBon: https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=139927 there you got it
[05:50] <HedgeMage> ferronica: user apt (Update manager and synaptic are both front-ends for this)
[05:50] <ferronica> dooglus: sorry i didnt get you..
[05:50] <paradizelost> kailash: one interface connected to the internet, and a few network cards on the inside
[05:50] <paradizelost> say you want to have a couple of networks
[05:50] <ferronica> HedgeMage:  sudo apt-get update firefox
[05:50] <MonsieurBon> slackern, thx alot
[05:50] <paradizelost> or share w/ your own apt. w/ access to samba or stuff, and another apt. w/ only internet access.
[05:51] <ferronica> HedgeMage:  like this???
[05:51] <slackern> MonsieurBon: just browse their archive for that older version
[05:51] <kailash> oh.. well I have one usb modem and one network card
[05:51] <frfx2> gill: nothing there :(
[05:51] <paradizelost> kailash: so it should work fine for you
[05:51] <dooglus> ferronica: "breezy" is a set of versions of software.  It came with firefox 1.0.4 or something.  it's not going to change to include 1.5.  you can install 1.5 yourself if you like, but it's not part of breezy, 'cos breezy came out before firefox 1.5 did
[05:51] <kailash> phew
[05:51] <MonsieurBon> slackern, I suppose the newer will do!
[05:51] <paradizelost> ferronica: you could install dapper.
[05:51] <paradizelost> ferronica: comes w/ <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:52] <ferronica1> ???
[05:52] <dooglus> ferronica: dapper comes with <IP_ADDRESS>, last I saw.  I don't know why not <IP_ADDRESS>, maybe that will change before final release.
[05:52] <salmiak> kailash, one thing: will you use a network cable directly to another computer, or will you use a switch/hub between your computer and the other computer/s in the house?
[05:52] <kailash> btw don't you people find drake beta installation a lill bit buggy?
[05:52] <matthinckley> hello everyone
[05:52] <kailash> no ill use it directly
[05:52] <slackern> kailash: Only problem i have is with the ati drivers right now
[05:52] <kailash> what if i had a hub?
[05:52] <HedgeMage> ferronica: yep
[05:52] <slackern> kailash: and well those are up to ati to fix.
[05:52] <paradizelost> kailash: not too bad.  has much better support for quite a few things
[05:52] <dooglus> kailash: report any bugs you find to launchpad.  within a matter of days they'll be marked as 'minor' and ignored forever more :)
[05:52] <SkunkWorks> Could someone point me to info on installing a working mysql on ubuntu. (and has anyone had luck with it)  4 or 5
[05:52] <paradizelost> kailash: at least on flight 7
[05:52] <ferronica1> HedgeMage: Okay
[05:52] <shionuma> Anyone able to tell me how to set an External HD as default stoarage, and default place to install Applications when reunning from a Live CD
[05:52] <shionuma> ?
[05:53] <kailash> ok mates
[05:53] <HedgeMage> ferronica: if you are still on breezy (as opposed to Dapper) I think youmay have to do it manually
[05:53] <salmiak> kailash, then you'll need a, i'm not sure about the english word, "cross cable" (any native english/american confirm this)
[05:53] <gnomefreak> _jason: the "" with gksdo gedit is that alt+f2 and/or terminal?
[05:53] <HedgeMage> ferronica: I'm on Dapper so I couldn't tell you for sure
[05:53] <kailash> yeah i have one
[05:53] <dooglus> salmiak: "crossover cable" I think
[05:53] <matthinckley> anyone: is there a way to change the association timeout in Network Manager to more than 60 seconds?  I have everything working but at school I get this error: NetworkManager: <information>   Activation (wlan0/wireless): association took too long (>60s), failing activation.
[05:53] <salmiak> dooglus, ok ;)
[05:54] <ferronica1> HedgeMage: so there is no way to upgrade firefox 1.5
[05:54] <salmiak> kailash, then just go for it and use the power of linux as router ;)
[05:54] <NoUse> !tell ferronica1 about ff1.5
[05:54] <kailash> yeah sure I will!
[05:54] <HedgeMage> thanks NoUse I can never remember that one
[05:54] <gill> YAY!
[05:54] <kailash> it won't be a prob to share the net with windows would it?
[05:54] <frfx2> !ff1.5
[05:54] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[05:54] <gnomefreak> ferronica1: someone helped you for a few hours installing it lastweek what happened?
[05:54] <dooglus> ferronica: try this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[05:54] <salmiak> kailash, nope
[05:55] <kailash> ah ok
[05:55] <salmiak> kailash, i'm doing that ;)
[05:55] <kailash> salmiak: :)
[05:55] <dinamizador> holaaaaaaaa
[05:56] <gill> The printer works oh yes it does!
[05:56] <NoUse> gill what did it take?
[05:56] <salmiak> dinamizador, hello... ;P
[05:56] <gill> NoUse: gutenprint 5.0.0rc2
[05:56] <NoUse> gill interesting, cool
[05:56] <gnomefreak> gill: an epson printer?
[05:56] <gill> NoUse: and alot of interesting installing
[05:56] <kailash> apart from nvu ... do we have any "worthwhile" wysiwyg website ides on linux??
[05:56] <ferronica1> ~$ chown -R u+w /home/username/firefox
[05:56] <gill> gnomefreak, yes Epson stylus D68
[05:57] <ferronica1> gnomefreak: i did
[05:57] <gnomefreak> gill: yeah seen that a few times
[05:57] <gill> gnomefreak, after everything it detected the model
[05:57] <ferronica1> gnomefreak: everything gose fine, but check for update option is DIM
[05:57] <gill> gnomefreak, the printer is a bit slow though...
[05:57] <gnomefreak> gill: normally gimp-print and gutenprint (from repos should work ok)
[05:57] <xChipx> Hi! has anyone experienced problem with installing dapper drake from the live-cd? I get loads of problems. First it doesn't boot up Xorg, not even if I change the nv driver to vesa. I got it working, booting up with 1280x1024 console and using fbdev driver. (sort of, only half screen, b&w). Then when I got to the partition manager I experienced other problems. First it destroyed my partition when it tried to resize it to make room for anot
[05:57] <xChipx> partition, then, when I created the partitions in advance in windows, the installer listed them as 0byte?!
[05:58] <xChipx> I haven't read about anyone else having these problems?
[05:58] <gnomefreak> ferronica1: i dont think you can update that way
[05:58] <ferronica1> gnomefreak: Do u know how to update it???
[05:58] <loothinker> where can i get the source.list file for dapper?
[05:58] <gill> gnomefreak, this model was not in the list and all the epson drivers I tryed made the printer spew paper without printing anything
[05:58] <paradizelost> xChipx: which version of the livecd are you using?
[05:58] <paradizelost> xChipx: because i know on an older version of the install cd it wasn't working right.
[05:58] <xChipx> paradizelost: I tried both beta 2 and flight 7
[05:58] <matthinckley> xChipx: I never got the livecd installer to work, dapper beta1 or beta2
[05:58] <dooglus> loothinker: do you have breezy already?
[05:58] <paradizelost> i don't know why you'd want ot install from a livecd anyways.....
[05:58] <loothinker> yes
[05:59] <xChipx> I wanted to try out the spiffy graphical installer :)
[05:59] <matthinckley> I found the text installer to be much more reliable
[05:59] <paradizelost> loothinker: try the #ubuntu+1 room...
[05:59] <gnomefreak> gill: ok it might be the D series than the ones from repos worked fine for my C64
[05:59] <dooglus> loothinker: to upgrade, just run "sudo update-manager -d" and it will do everything for you when you click on the 'dapper' button
[05:59] <kailash> i love the text install
[05:59] <kailash> quick n sweet
[05:59] <xChipx> matthinckley: well, so it seems :)
[05:59] <minimec> xChipx: I heard about some problems, using the live-cd as install medium (I think it is because of the new install gui). I used the netinstall image. It works without problems.
[05:59] <gill> gnomefreak, bare that in mind in someone asks about the epson d seires in this room
[05:59] <xChipx> I'm just interested in the "converting-newbie-factor"
[05:59] <ferronica1> gnomefreak: TELL ME PLEASE :(
[05:59] <loothinker> o,thanks
[06:00] <gnomefreak> i will gill thankyou
[06:00] <gnomefreak> ferronica1: can you please hold on a min
[06:00] <matthinckley> xChipX: lol yeah, I like the new text installer too, you can set your resolution for your shell before you install, and it has pretty menu
[06:00] <ferronica1> gnomefreak: OKAY :I
[06:00] <paradizelost> !tell ferronica about shouting
[06:00] <gill> the only other wierd problem is the lack of fdd, which seems to be a hardware issue
[06:01] <paradizelost> ferronica don't shout
[06:01] <paradizelost> ferronica1: don't shout
[06:01] <gnu2it2> i need to setup to telnet to a SCO unix from my ubuntu box. they said to set for sco ansi color terminal emultion. how do i do this?
[06:01] <gnomefreak> ferronica1: doesnt it check for updates when it gets open still?
[06:01] <xChipx> heh. Ok, I'll use the text-installer. I just need to know if someone else with a Geforce MX 5200 is experiencing problems in nv-driver with an installed ubuntu. I just get vertical yellow stripes..
[06:01] <xChipx> (on the live cd)
[06:02] <gnomefreak> ferronica1: to update firefox open terminal type gksudo firefox than once its open see if you can click the update thing in firefoxs menu
[06:03] <loothinker> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-cn/dists/dapper/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[06:03] <loothinker> why?
[06:04] <gnomefreak> ferronica1: while you are doing that _dont_ go browsing please close and restart firefox the normal way before browsing
[06:04] <ferronica1> gnomefreak: thanx my GOOD FRIENDit works
[06:04] <loothinker> and "http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.gz" is not a zip file
[06:05] <gnomefreak> ferronica1: i know it does its on the ff1.5 website that everyone gave you a link for
[06:05] <ferronica1> gnomefreak: from where u got all these commandss
[06:05] <gnomefreak> ^^^ read above statment
[06:05] <gnomefreak> !ff1.5
[06:05] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[06:06] <ferronica1> gnomefreak: but where is my UBUNTU default firefox 1.0.8??/
[06:06] <paradizelost> gnomefreak: there is no ff 1.0.8 that i've ever heard of.  it went from 1.0.7 to 1.5
[06:06] <gnomefreak> ferronica1: it not being used as default its still on system
[06:06] <paradizelost> ferronica1: dapper starts w/ 1.5
[06:07] <gnomefreak> paradizelost: 1.0.8 is breezy normal ff updates
[06:07] <gnomefreak> paradizelost: the repos got 1.0.8 in breezy
[06:07] <ferronica1> gnomefreak: I think Dapper beta is available
[06:07] <gnomefreak> ferronica1: yes it is
[06:07] <ferronica1> gnomefreak: i dont like beta
[06:08] <gnomefreak> ferronica1: i would wait than
[06:08] <ferronica1> gnomefreak: what Extensins r u using for firefox???
[06:08] <gnomefreak> ferronica1: none
[06:08] <matth-w> Question about installing a script for xchat, needing to install other things for the script also, but can't find Perl in the add applications.
[06:09] <ferronica1> gnomefreak: none WHY???
[06:09] <gnomefreak> ferronica1: no need for them i dont use firefox often enough
[06:09] <ferronica1> gnomefreak: then what u use???
[06:09] <slackern> I use 'adblock', 'flashblock' and 'adblock g filterset' for my firefox.
[06:09] <gnomefreak> links2
[06:09] <ferronica1> gnomefreak: OPERA
[06:09] <gill> you would have thought mounting an fdd wouldn't be that hard
[06:10] <ferronica1> gnomefreak: links2 what is that for???
[06:10] <paradizelost> gnomefreak: guess i never saw that.  i upgraded to 1.5 before it came out then...
[06:10] <gnomefreak> ferronica1: a text based browser for most part
[06:10] <ferronica1> gnomefreak: give me the link let me see it
[06:10] <gnomefreak> i use ff when im to lazy to use links2 ;)
[06:10] <gill> Gnome says: Unable to mount the selected volume: given UDI is not a mountable volume
[06:11] <gnomefreak> ferronica1: you install it from repos
[06:11] <paradizelost> gnomefreak: but why not wget the page and vi it??? ;)
[06:11] <gnomefreak> than type links -g or just links in termnail
[06:12] <gnomefreak> paradizelost: too many steps in there lol
[06:12] <gnomefreak> run links -g www.whatever.com and poof its there
[06:12] <gill> ok so it mounts under the command: sudo mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /media/floppy but I'd rather my land lady didn't have to run commands to get her CV
[06:12] <gnomefreak> http://links.twibright.com/
[06:12] <gnomefreak> ^^^ links website
[06:12] <NoUse> gill http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=106544 I'm not sure if this will fix your problem but looks close
[06:12] <paradizelost> gill: you should be able to add user to the line in fstab...
[06:13] <paradizelost> well, i gotta head to lunch.  we'll cya l8r
[06:13] <SkunkWorks> Could someone point me to info on installing a working mysql on ubuntu. (and has anyone had luck with it)  4 or 5
[06:14] <salmiak> ok burning my first dvd in ubuntu now, with Gnome Baker. wish me luck ;D
[06:14] <NoUse> !tell SkunkWorks about lamp
[06:14] <alvaro> !tell alvaro about lamp
[06:15] <Elektrochelovek> !tell Elektrochelovek  about lamp
[06:15] <vero> ola
[06:15] <vero> como te llamas
[06:15] <gill> remind me how you install a de file?
[06:15] <gill> deb*
[06:15] <Ng> sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[06:15] <SkunkWorks> Lamp?
[06:16] <Ng> SkunkWorks: sudo apt-get install mysql-server
[06:16] <gill> thanks ng
[06:16] <Ng> (lamp == linux apache mysql php/perl/python)
[06:16] <ferronica1> gnomefreak: from where u got all these commands.???
[06:17] <gnomefreak> ferronica1: what command?
[06:17] <vicky__> hi
[06:18] <gnomefreak> ;)
[06:18] <hawkeye> :)
[06:18] <vicky__> =)
[06:18] <SkunkWorks> Ng: thanks.  We used the package manager to install it.  But there are some issues.  There seems to be user right issues.
[06:18] <alvaro> Hello, I am in AMD64 and with Firefox from repository if a Middle-Click in a Tab it closes, but I have downloaded firefox from mozilla.org (to enable flash. a firefox 32bits version) and now that function doesn't work, why?
[06:18] <vero> ola hay algien espaol
[06:18] <vicky__> what's up?
[06:18] <vicky__> sip
[06:18] <gnomefreak> !es
[06:18] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[06:18] <vicky__> metete al canal 10
[06:18] <vero> hello
[06:18] <ferronica1> gnomefreak: UBUNTU commands???
[06:18] <SkunkWorks> Ng: looking for someone who has maybe written up a "how to" on ubuntu.
[06:19] <gnomefreak> !commands
[06:19] <Ng> SkunkWorks: that's unlikely to be anything to do with the install itself - perhaps a quick read of the mysql.com docs for user management?
[06:19] <ubotu> I guess commands is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/
[06:19] <gnomefreak> ferronica1: ^^^
[06:19] <ferronica1> gnomefreak: OK
[06:19] <SkunkWorks> Ng:  thanks again.  Ok - we are reading as much as we can :)  just going to have to do some more researching.
[06:20] <Ng> SkunkWorks: I quite like phpmyadmin as a mysql browsing/admin tool - its user management stuff is quite nice
[06:20] <Ng> but that obviously needs apache and php installed
[06:20] <SkunkWorks> Ng: we where trying to admin though mysqladmin
[06:21] <vicky__> what's up??
[06:22] <vicky__> are you in there???
[06:22] <alvaro> !fr
[06:22] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:23] <hanuma> can anybody explain what is meant by universe and multiverse in sources.list of apt
[06:23] <hanuma> ?
[06:23] <Ng> hanuma: they are extra repositories of software, that is unsupported by the core ubuntu team, but made available for convenience
[06:24] <gnomefreak> hanuma: they are repos with non-free applications and extra software
[06:24] <hanuma> thanks Ng
[06:24] <hanuma> thanks  gnomefreak
[06:24] <gnomefreak> yw
[06:26] <Kingdong> Hey ppls, i have a question. How do I get a program to start up when my desktop starts
[06:26] <Ng> Kingdong: System->Preferences->Sessions, then add it in the Startup Programs tab
[06:27] <Kingdong> K, thanx! :)
[06:27] <Ng> or you may be able to leave it running when you log out and tick the "Save current session" box
[06:27] <Ng> but that doesn't work with all applications
[06:27] <Kingdong> Will, try that tooo! :)
[06:27] <Steve^> When using a GLText screensaver, why does it make a gap in the text?
[06:28] <Steve^> for instance, put "one two three four five" in the text and it splits after three
[06:29] <ferronica1> Any person here using DEMONOID???
[06:29] <ferronica1> www.demonoid.com???
[06:31] <Reidy> Hey I have a realy retarded problem and I don't know whether or not it is to do with me bieng a complete noob or just something's messed up. I cannot access any other drive or partion other than the one I boot of i have mounted them tyed accesseing them from the console but I get access denied even as root any ideas any one?
[06:31] <Reidy>
[06:31] <Reidy> Also in the /dev folder if I try access a hard drive for axample /dev/hdb1 I just get could not open the file /dev/hdb1
[06:32] <Kingdong> Oh, 1 more qustion. Is there a shortcut key to swictch between workspaces? If so what is it.
[06:32] <_doctormo> I would like to thank you all for your help today :-)
[06:33] <_doctormo> (I'm gill, well not _gill_ per say but the user formaly gill)
[06:33] <L33TrDaNu> i've got kde installed.... and  a tri-monitor setup. Using two nvidia cards
[06:33] <cow_2001> i want to --reinstall everything that has some role in running my DVD drive, is there a way to do that?
[06:33] <L33TrDaNu> All is working, except when I open Konqueror it freezes X
[06:33] <Kingdong> Oh, 1 more qustion. Is there a shortcut key to switch between workspaces? If so what is it?
[06:34] <cow_2001> i prelinked everything and now the DVD doesn't work well
[06:34] <_doctormo> cow_2001: what is the problem?
[06:34] <L33TrDaNu> anyone have any ideas?
[06:34] <cow_2001> _doctormo, i prelinked everything and now the DVD doesn't work well
[06:34] <_doctormo> cow_2001: prelinked?
[06:34] <Dr_Willis> Kingdong, i belive ya can mouse over the pager and scroll the wheel. :P or ya can look at the gnome key binding perferance program and see.
[06:34] <Dr_Willis> !prelink
[06:34] <ubotu> I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Dr_Willis
[06:35] <Dr_Willis> I dont see what prelinking would affect the dvd drive  however. You mean dvd videos are not playing as well?
[06:35] <Steve^> can someone please try the GLText screensaver with "one two three four five" and see what happens?
[06:35] <Steve^> Or is there another screensaver I can put text on?
[06:36] <cow_2001> Dr_Willis, i don't see it, too, bit i want to make sure it isn't prelink
[06:37] <r0xoR> i'm having a problem with the XFCE package
[06:37] <luiz>  brasil, somebody ???
[06:37] <pozdiy> what is analog of netBeans under Ubuntu?
[06:37] <_doctormo> pozdiy: perl ;-)
[06:37] <luiz> I need de irc brazil of Ubuntu,somebody?
[06:37] <r0xoR> xfce-themes won't install for some reason and all i get saying that there's an unmet dependency and then it says "xfce4-themes:" in a blank white box below the message saying "unmet dependency"
[06:38] <bbrazil> !br
[06:38] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br (/j #ubuntu-br) para ajuda em portugues. Obrigada.
[06:38] <pozdiy> _doctormo, appreciate your humour (personally, I'd wish both JAVA and perl exticnt)
[06:38] <mourez27> somebody knows how to install easy ubuntu without bug,
[06:39] <r0xoR> when i select xfce4-panel and *then* try to select xfce4-themes it tells me "xfce4-themes: Depends: xfce4-panel but it is not going to be installed"
[06:39] <r0xoR> when xfce4-panel *is* obviously marked for installation
[06:40] <mourez27> thanks
[06:40] <r0xoR> mourez27, heheh, no... easyubuntu is just pretty buggy all round :P
[06:41] <Tobias382> Anyone know what package(s) need(s) to be installed for Audacious to have the AudioScrobbler Client feature enabled when compiling it from source?
[06:41] <r0xoR> Tobias382, did you read any of documentation that came *with* the source yet?
[06:43] <harisund> What are locales? What 'locales' need to be set on my machine? Can someone give me some good documentation to read about them?
[06:43] <sbengtson> r0xoR - Generally this is because you have a mismatch of versions with xfce4-themes and xfce4-panel. If you have used other repositories then that can cause the problems, I had this with EasyUbuntu a couple of times.
[06:43] <r0xoR> i see
[06:43] <r0xoR> yeah i do have a mismatch of my version of themes and panel
[06:44] <Tobias382> r0xor: The closest thing that ./configure --help mentions is an --enable-FEATURE flag. I've done a grep -lr "crob" * on the root folder and it pull up anything that looks relevant.
[06:44] <sbengtson> double check the version numbers of both packages, even a .1 will cause a problem. This means you have to uninstall all related packages :P, fix the repositories and reinstall.
[06:44] <r0xoR> Tobias382, there should be a list of those --enable features around somewhere though
[06:44] <r0xoR> Tobias382, they'll be *in* the ./configure file itself if nothing else
[06:44] <Zero> hola
[06:44] <r0xoR> !es
[06:44] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[06:45] <KenSentMe> hi
[06:45] <hanuma>  can anybody explain what are section names in sources.list of apt
[06:45] <hanuma> ?
[06:46] <NoUse> hanuma what are you trying to figure out?
[06:47] <hanuma> NoUse, just i am new to ubuntu and apt i am trying to understand sources.list and tring to learn how to add a new repo
[06:47] <NoUse> !tell hanuma about repos
[06:47] <cc> is Dapper ready for use?
[06:48] <Flannel> cc: depends on your definition of use.
[06:48] <NoUse> hanuma you don't really need to understand what each section means, universe and multiverse just have some extra software
[06:48] <cc> er, safe =D
[06:48] <MacSlow> cc, while it not officially marked "for production use" it works for me on a daily basis.
[06:49] <cc> i cannot wait to update my breezy to dapper ,
[06:49] <NoUse> cc its scheduled to be marked stable on June 1
[06:49] <Flannel> cc: you shouldn't lose data.  some things have quirks, and as such it shouldnt be used for anything mission critical,
[06:49] <Reidy> in the console i am root yet when I try to execute a script I get permision denied
[06:49] <mirak> is dapper in freeze of new package ?
[06:49] <Flannel> but... you shouldnt wake up one morning to find your HD corrupt or anything.
[06:49] <MacSlow> cc, I stress dapper quite some (at least OpenGL-related) and sofar it's quite ok
[06:49] <cc> haha
[06:49] <hanuma> Reidy, try changing the permissions of the file
[06:50] <NoUse> Reidy make sure the script is set to be executable, chmod u+x file.sh
[06:50] <Reidy> ok
[06:50] <Reidy> thnx
[06:50] <NoUse> mirak yes, only bug fixes now
[06:50] <cc> Thank you guys
[06:50] <mirak> NoUse: so no repositories for next version yet ?
[06:51] <mirak> NoUse: it would be a shame if Listen wasn't included in dapper
[06:51] <NoUse> mirak for the version after dapper?
[06:51] <mirak> for gnome
[06:51] <brandon_> NoUse? it's quite ok, is it?
[06:51] <mirak> NoUse: Edgy Eft ?
[06:51] <mirak> NoUse: no for dapper
[06:51] <cc> 6 months is quite long for me
[06:52] <mirak> NoUse: that's a very good player music
[06:52] <NoUse> mirak I'm not sure, seach http://packages.ubuntu.com
[06:52] <Flannel> cc: only four.  6-10
[06:52] <cc> Flannel what do ya mean ?
[06:52] <mirak> Flannel: why was there a delay ?
[06:53] <Flannel> cc: E.E. is being released in october, so its only a four month wait from Dapper.
[06:53] <Flannel> mirak: to add support for eastern languages in Dapper
[06:53] <cc> o, gotcha
[06:53] <mirak> Flannel: URSS  ?
[06:53] <mirak> lol
[06:53] <mirak> USSR
[06:53] <cc> Flannel: what's E. E. =D
[06:53] <diablo_> is there still talk about ubuntu getting the application emulator that was in linspire?
[06:53] <diablo_> i forget what its called, i wanna say crossfire i think its wrong
[06:54] <RandolphCarter> diablo_: crossover office?
[06:54] <teletubbie> how can gparted resize my /home partition if /home is in use?
[06:54] <Flannel> cc: Edgy Eft, the dapper+1
[06:54] <NoUse> teletubbie no
[06:54] <sbengtson> teletubbie - You have to boot off the live cd to resize partitions that may be un use
[06:55] <Flannel> mirak: what?
[06:55] <diablo_> it was an application emulator like wine
[06:55] <cc> Flannel: o, thanks,
[06:55] <sbengtson> or you can log in as root and unmount /home then resize.
[06:55] <cc> the names are funny
[06:55] <sbengtson> Crossover is a commercial version of wine
[06:55] <mirak> what re eastearn languages ?
[06:55] <teletubbie> can I just change my user home dir and then login and use gparted to resize /home?
[06:55] <cc> are these animals comin from Africa?
[06:55] <Tobias382> r0xor: I'm having trouble figuring this out. It seems like all the AudioScrobbler feature requires is libmusicbrainz and libcurl, but I have both of those installed.
[06:56] <diablo_> thats what i thought, so whats the word on ubuntu getting it
[06:56] <diablo_> heard talk of it
[06:56] <Flannel> cc: no.  theyre just animals.
[06:56] <sbengtson> you can do that as well, you just need to be able to unmount your /home partition.
[06:56] <NoUse> teletubbie you need to unmount he home partition
[06:56] <teletubbie> NoUse, so I can do it without the livecd
[06:56] <cc> Flannel: o,,,They're creative
[06:56] <Flannel> mirak: asian languages, usually.
[06:56] <NoUse> teletubbie yeah but I think its easier with the livecd
[06:57] <teletubbie> nah, I know what I can do. I just wanna be sure
[06:57] <indulis84> hi all
[06:57] <sbengtson> Much easier with the live cd, then none of the partitions are mounted, some people have just a / and swap partition (ick) so you have to unmount everything to resize.
[06:58] <teletubbie> I have /home separated
[06:58] <mirak> why do we need to be root to share folders through samba ? That's bad
[06:58] <diablo_> is there a novell netware administrative tool for ubuntu?
[06:58] <diablo_> got novel client, thats not that usefull
[06:58] <Dr_Willis> the root user has to enable the use of samba for the whole system to begin with
[06:59] <Dr_Willis> which is to say - samba is basicially disabled by default.. Thats good. (or bad, depending on the arguments)
[07:00] <Hatred> ahoy
[07:00] <mneptok> arr.
[07:00] <Hatred> mate of mine is trying to find out what kernal she's running atm, and google is giving us hell for some reason
[07:00] <mneptok> uname -a
[07:00] <Hatred> can someone leand us a hand?
[07:00] <Hatred> a beautiful
[07:01] <Hatred> thankyou mneptok
[07:01] <imonkey> hello in kde it is possible to lets your windows remember there possition for the next time you start them up is this also possible whit gnome?
[07:01] <arrick> hello all
[07:01] <[blah] > is there any way to bench mark my 3D graphics card in Ubuntu?
[07:01] <Dr_Willis> imonkey,  in gnome it can do it if you use their 'spatial'  file nagivational mode.. wich MOST people seem to hate.
[07:01] <Dr_Willis> imonkey,  not sure about in kde.
[07:02] <NoUse> imonkey if you click on the icon at the top-left it has options that allow you to do that
[07:03] <arrick> Dr_Willis, where is a good forum on basic setup of Windows Server 2003 Enterprise?
[07:03] <imonkey> NoUse: in the top left of the window you mean?
[07:03] <Dr_Willis> arrick,  no clue there..  thats beyond my experience. :P
[07:03] <arrick> ok
[07:03] <halcyon187> When I do a ps -A, apache2 shows up 5 times.  Is that normal?
[07:03] <arrick> anyone, where is a good forum on basic setup of Windows Server 2003 Enterprise?
[07:03] <mneptok> halcyon187: yes
[07:03] <Dr_Willis> halcyon187,  yes
[07:04] <mneptok> halcyon187: ps shows threads. apache is highly threaded.
[07:04] <mneptok> arrick: you might try a channel dedicated to Windows support.
[07:04] <halcyon187> thanks
[07:04] <topyli> arrick: surely if you bought w2k3 enterprise, you can find support for it
[07:05] <plantperson> I have a new HP printer,  which is not listed in the gnome printer list.  What would be the best way to set it up?
[07:05] <arrick> mneptok, I ask in here cause my friends are here
[07:05] <teletubbie> I can't umount /home it says it is busy but lsof is not showing anything that's using /home
[07:05] <arrick> topyli, you gotta pay for it
[07:05] <Industrial> Can anyone help me with installing django? (djangoproject.com)
[07:05] <teletubbie> anything that may be using it?
[07:05] <mneptok> teletubbie: just about everything if you're logged in.
[07:06] <teletubbie> my home dir is /tele
[07:06] <teletubbie> not /home/tele
[07:06] <mneptok> Nautilus, Metacity, Terminal, *any* apps your userid is running
[07:07] <sbengtson> teletubbie- what does your mount command say?
[07:07] <teletubbie> umount: /home: device is busy
[07:07] <teletubbie> /dev/sda2 on /home type ext3 (rw)
[07:08] <arrick> hey guys, I have a usb external hard drive that I used with ubuntu, and now it has a ext3 format, how do I access that disc so I can reformat it as NTFS?
[07:08] <sbengtson> teletubbie - something still has your /home locked, you may have to remove it from the fstab file and reboot.
[07:08] <Dr_Willis> arrick,  you proberly need to just fdisk it and delete the ext3 partitions.. then fdisk/format it from a windows box.
[07:08] <Industrial> Can anyone help me with installing django? (djangoproject.com)
[07:08] <Industrial> error: invalid Python installation: unable to open /usr/lib/python2.4/config/Makefile (No such file or directory)
[07:08] <Industrial> :\
[07:09] <mneptok> Industrial: so install Python
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> arrick,  not sure you can create a ntfs parttion/formated from within linux
[07:09] <shachaf> Is there a package for Ubuntu that includes PyXML? I can't find one.
[07:09] <arrick> where can I get fdiks from
[07:09] <Industrial> mneptok: so its installed
[07:09] <mneptok> Industrial: apparently not. :)
[07:09] <mneptok> Industrial: or an older version is installed.
[07:10] <MenZ> What font is used for the Ubuntu logo?
[07:10] <lsuactiafner> whats the umask if i want anyone to be able to access the disk?, its a squid proxy disk,so user nobody should be able to modify and execute it
[07:10] <bigmoe> anyone here uses tor
[07:10] <bigmoe> or privoxy
[07:10] <mneptok> lsuactiafner: 777
[07:11] <lsuactiafner> thanks
[07:11] <teletubbie> gparted still scanning for devices
[07:11] <mustard5> bigmoe, I have in the past, but not currently
[07:12] <bigmoe> anyone here knows how to change the external ip
[07:12] <bigmoe> mustard5: do u know how to change the external ip
[07:12] <lsuactiafner> noatime,defaults,umask=000 is that correct?
[07:12] <lsuactiafner> i get an error
[07:12] <teletubbie> resizing
[07:12] <lsuactiafner> mount: wrong fs type ect
[07:12] <lsuactiafner> but it works when i dont specify umash
[07:12] <mustard5> bigmoe, I'm not sure what you mean, so probably not
[07:13] <bigmoe> mustard5: like masqing ur internet ip address
[07:13] <lsuactiafner>  /dev/hdd1       /squid          ext3        noatime,defaults,umask=000         0   0
[07:13] <mustard5> bigmoe, isn't that what tor is about?  going through proxies?
[07:14] <teletubbie> failled
[07:14] <lsuactiafner> #tor
[07:14] <lsuactiafner> tor rocks
[07:14] <Rug> Howdy all
[07:15] <sbengtson> teletubbie - what did gparted fail with (message)?
[07:15] <bigmoe> yea and privoxy also you have to combine them but each time i do /etc/init.d/privoxy start it fails
[07:15] <humbolt> I want to use fping without seeing all the "ICMP Time Exceeded from <IP_ADDRESS> for ICMP Echo sent to <IP_ADDRESS>" messages. "-q" does not seem to do the trick!
[07:15] <teletubbie> it says action applied to a busy device
[07:15] <mustard5> bigmoe, with what error message?
[07:15] <teletubbie> but /home was not mounted
[07:15] <teletubbie> I only have the install disc of ubuntu
[07:15] <imonkey> sorry i diddnt get a clear awnser the previous so ill ask it again in the hope someone can help me out:
[07:15] <teletubbie> but it doesn't have gparted on it, right?
[07:15] <imonkey> hello in kde it is possible to lets your windows remember there possition for the next time you start them up is this also possible whit gnome?
[07:15] <bigmoe> no error mes just fails
[07:15] <sbengtson> teletubbie - right click on the /home partition and see if it has a unmount.
[07:16] <teletubbie> nope, no umount option
[07:16] <sbengtson> no the install doesn't have a gparted on it sorry.
[07:16] <Rug> imonkey: yes it is possible.  I can't tell you how though
[07:16] <teletubbie> sbengtson, how can I resize using the livecd then?
[07:16] <teletubbie> the install disc I mean
[07:16] <Rug> imonkey: have you tried holding down the ctrl key when resizing?
[07:17] <sethk> teletubbie, you can't.  resizing is in general quite dangerous and a bad idea unless you can tolerate losing all the data
[07:17] <sbengtson> if you boot off the live cd you will get a desktop with the gparted application. the install cd you don't really have the ability to resize.
[07:17] <[blah] > is there any way to bench mark my 3D graphics card in Ubuntu?
[07:17] <sbengtson> can you back up your /home partition then delete it?
[07:17] <sethk> teletubbie, so if you resize, make sure everything important is backed up
[07:17] <imonkey> Rug: ill try it hold on :)
[07:17] <teletubbie> I don't wanna waste a cd on the live cd
[07:17] <Rug> teletubbie: use a CD-rw
[07:17] <sethk> this is why you should always configure one large partition
[07:18] <imonkey> Rug: is doesnt work :/
[07:18] <rscheideman> how do i get to grub?
[07:18] <teletubbie> I don't have cd-r. I only have dvd's
[07:18] <Rug> imonkey: sorry
[07:18] <sethk> rscheideman, if you are already installed, run the grub utility
[07:18] <imonkey> Rug: np :) thanks for trying anyway
[07:18] <Rug> imonkey: I don't use kde or gnome, so I don't remember how/where you 'fix' it
[07:18] <MenZ> What font is used for the Ubuntu logo?
[07:18] <cc> how come gentoo channel has more user# than ubuntu
[07:19] <cc> so does debian
[07:19] <MenZ> cc: probably because more people use Debian or Gentoo.
[07:19] <Rug> cc: gentto folks are bored waiting for stuff to compile
[07:19] <MenZ> Rug: heh
[07:19] <cc> hehe
[07:19] <sbengtson> Rug : nice :) personally I don't wait long to compile on gentoo (thanks to distcc :) )
[07:19] <imonkey> Rug: what WM do you use instead if i may ask?
[07:20] <Rug> sbengtson: yeah, just a joke.  I couldn't resist
[07:20] <teletubbie> I can have max 4 primary partitions. right?
[07:20] <Rug> imonkey: fluxbox
[07:20] <Rug> teletubbie: yes
[07:20] <NoUse> imonkey yes the top-left of the window
[07:21] <imonkey> NoUse: i dont understand what you mean whit that.. do you mean the logo of the window?
[07:21] <NoUse> imonkey yes
[07:21] <imonkey> NoUse: could you tell me how this option is called? i cant find it..
[07:22] <imonkey> Rug: the best WM ever but i quess gnome is alot better if you kinda new to ubuntu ;x i dont know all the app names yet
[07:22] <NoUse> imonkey Advanced -> Special Window Settings
[07:22] <imonkey> NoUse: are you in KDE or gnome?
[07:22] <NoUse> imonkey kde, I thought thats what you were asking about
[07:23] <imonkey> NoUse: hehe nope sorry im using gnome :)
[07:23] <ncel> ncel181
[07:23] <NoUse> imonkey ah sorry
[07:23] <teletubbie> does resizing a dsic take alot of time?
[07:23] <imonkey> NoUse: np :)
[07:24] <Howdy125> Anyone know how to make the fonts smaller in dvdrip ?
[07:24] <Rug> teletubbie: shouldn't take long
[07:24] <Rug> Anybody using wdm?
[07:26] <sbengtson> teletubbie - it can depending on the size and if anything goes wrong :)
[07:26] <sbengtson> teletubbie - If you can backup the /home partition then remove it and recreate it to the size you want that may be the fastest.
[07:26] <sbengtson> teletubbie - What fs type is your /home partition?
[07:27] <teletubbie> mhh, yea. but gparted is still working on it
[07:27] <teletubbie> :(
[07:28] <glimp> hello, i tried to play FLV files with totem movie player the video is good but there is no sound
[07:28] <billdoe> hey, i am working on a knoppix-ubuntu hybrid... basically a ubuntu base system w/ the knoppix scripts
[07:28] <OneTruth> what is the command to download a file?
[07:29] <OneTruth> i've seen a command called curl used before but i dont think it is valid on ubuntu
[07:29] <mneptok> you can install curl
[07:29] <RandolphCarter> OneTruth: you just need to install it, I think 'wget' may be on by default though
[07:29] <mneptok> or you can use wget
[07:29] <OneTruth> is there a difference?
[07:29] <OneTruth> what makes curl better?
[07:29] <mneptok> bandwidth throttling
[07:30] <RandolphCarter> true, but that shouldn't be the job of a downloader :) wget's great for getting multiple files recursively
[07:30] <glimp> hi; what player should i use to play FLV files, can't seem to find FLV player for linux
[07:30] <elfoe> hello !
[07:30] <mneptok> curl --limit-rate 20K -O http://www.host.net/some/giant/honkin.mpg
[07:30] <brandon_> does anybody use sql-ledger?
[07:31] <jmp_me> How do i change display manager?
[07:31] <OneTruth> mneptok:  interesting
[07:33] <winona82> helo
[07:33] <winona82> anyone here has a good idea (and easy) to share files throught internet? like windows capacities?
[07:33] <glimp> hi; what player should i use to play FLV files, can't seem to find FLV player for linux
[07:34] <winona82> glimp, vlc will do that
[07:34] <glimp> vlc can't play it i tried it
[07:34] <winona82> y play them with vlc...
[07:34] <sbengtson> winona82 - you can do ftp, smb or scp
[07:34] <winona82> those are video from flash, right?
[07:35] <glimp> yeah
[07:35] <winona82> sbengtson, actually i do it in my lan with SMB
[07:35] <glimp> totem can play it but there is no sound
[07:35] <HedgeMage> does anyone have a favorite jabber client they would like to recommend?  I'm becoming mildly annoyed by gaim.
[07:35] <winona82> is there a way to make it work throught internet?
[07:35] <NoUse> glimp if its just sound thats missing check the settings for what output method is being used, try to set it to esd or alsa
[07:35] <glimp> ah okey thanks i'll try it
[07:35] <winona82> sbengtson, what port does it use?
[07:35] <mneptok> winona82: the SMB ports are usually closed on corporate LANs to prevent data theft
[07:36] <teletubbie> thank god my /home is still ok
[07:36] <sbengtson> winona82 - you can open somthing up to the internet like nfs or ftp I really do not recomend using smb on the internet.
[07:36] <winona82> um
[07:36] <sbengtson> teletubbie - good job!
[07:36] <mneptok> winona82: why not just use Apache or DAV?
[07:36] <teletubbie> I'm gonna do some backup and recreate partitions
[07:36] <winona82> mneptok, i m working on doing it with apache
[07:36] <sbengtson> winona82 - ftp is the best (fastest, and can be secured) DAV is not very secure either.
[07:37] <winona82> actually i already run the server, but not have gone very far away
[07:37] <mneptok> winona82: that only works one way, though. there is no upload.
[07:37] <winona82> so, must i try ftp then?
[07:37] <sbengtson> winona82 - Yeah you can setup a secure ftp server then you have reliable/fast upload and download.
[07:37] <mneptok> winona82: just be careful. use vsftpd and RTFM.
[07:37] <winona82> vsftpd will do the trick?
[07:37] <sbengtson> I second the vsftpd
[07:38] <sbengtson> very easy to setup and use.
[07:38] <winona82> ok
[07:38] <winona82> cool
[07:38] <mneptok> *someone* needs to make a GUI Wired client for GNOME
[07:38] <mneptok> maybe i'll prod co-workers after Dapper ships.
[07:38] <made> I can't figure out how to install alien
[07:38] <made> I have all the files I need I just can't figure out how to install it
[07:39] <xpc> hi
[07:39] <sbengtson> I'd love to make some more gui's but I am heavy into a project right now and have no extra time for that.
[07:39] <made> I'm a noob to ubuntu btw
[07:39] <mneptok> (although then everyone will be in Eft mode and freaking out)
[07:39] <winona82> thx guys
[07:39] <winona82> i'm gonna give a try to vsftpd
[07:39] <sbengtson> winona82 - np
[07:39] <Shira> hello, I am trying to download the iso using bittorrent from http://releases.ubuntu.com/5.10/ubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso.torrent, I am missing one segment for the last few hours can anybody reseed?
[07:39] <mneptok> Shira: there should be tons of seeds
[07:40] <made> can somebody help me figure out alien?
[07:40] <Shira> there are, but the it still doesn't download that one segment
[07:40] <Shira> its of 99.9% for a few hours now
[07:41] <sbengtson> made - what's wrong with it? are you using .debs?
[07:41] <mneptok> made: alien is in the *verse repos. just use apt-get/Synaptic
[07:41] <mwe> made: alien foobar.rpm will generate a .deb. I recommend reading man alien from a terminal
[07:41] <made> I need to convert a .rpm into .deb
[07:41] <teletubbie> creating partitions :)
[07:41] <NoUse> Shira I'll try seeding it
[07:41] <Juhaz> made, usually bad idea
[07:42] <Shira> NoUse: thanks!
[07:42] <mustard5> made, install the alien package and see how you go
[07:42] <made> I just like to use limewire pro and the only version I can find downloadable for linux is wrapped up in an rpm file
[07:43] <NoUse> Shira let me know if you get that last chunk
[07:43] <mustard5> made, there is another version somewhere I believe
[07:43] <NoUse> !limewire
[07:43] <ubotu> first you need !java, then download the http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and unpack it. Then just run the runLime.sh file. Voila. Consider !frostwire as an alternative.
[07:43] <made> ok
[07:43] <mneptok> made: use Frostwire and install from the .tgz
[07:43] <teletubbie> after formating the new partition, it has 700mb used
[07:43] <teletubbie> but I haven't put anything on it yet
[07:43] <teletubbie> why?
[07:43] <mustard5> mneptok, there is a good .deb file for frostwire isn't there?
[07:44] <sbengtson> teletubbie - Depending on the file system there is overhead.
[07:44] <teletubbie> ext3
[07:44] <mneptok> mustard5: no idea. i always install manually.
[07:44] <mustard5> mneptok, k
[07:44] <NoUse> teletubbie how big is the partition?
[07:44] <sbengtson> teletubbie - yeah that will be right
[07:44] <sbengtson> teletubbie - not anywhere near ntfs though :)
[07:44] <mustard5> made, frostwire is a good free alternative to limewire
[07:45] <mneptok> Not *THAT* File System!
[07:46] <sbengtson> teletubbie - on my 200g drive with reiserfs it has 33M overhead (this could be journaling with ext3)
[07:46] <Shira> NoUse: Still no luck, I am starting to think it is not because of seeding but some other problem. Any thoughts? I am using the latest azureus
[07:46] <mneptok> teletubbie: not to mention reserved blocks, which Ubuntu defaults to 5%.
[07:46] <andersee> anybody else notice X crashing on dpms with the new xorg packages for breezy?
[07:46] <NoUse> Shira have you forwarded the proper ports?
[07:46] <mneptok> Shira: 6881
[07:47] <teletubbie> it is around 40gb
[07:47] <Shira> NoUse: I was able to tell azureus that to recheck the missing piece and its fine now 100%. Thanks a lot
[07:47] <NoUse> teletubbie by default, around 10% is reserved for root
[07:47] <Shira> mneptok: thanks as well
[07:47] <sbengtson> teletubbie - small price to pay for the extra security.
[07:48] <OneTruth> How do you search apt-get to check the verison of an app?
[07:48] <mustard5> OneTruth, apt-cache show appname ?
[07:48] <OneTruth> mustard5:  perfect
[07:49] <cwcoxjr> @andersee, no, but after the updates I found that firefox now refuses to make HTTP requests.
[07:49] <sethk> cwcoxjr, hmm, that makes firefox not quite as useful as before.  :)
[07:50] <OneTruth> another question, I am installing a Wiki called twiki, what is the best practice on where to unpack the tar?
[07:50] <cwcoxjr> chatzilla still works, so all is not lost
[07:50] <sethk> OneTruth, I use /usr/build, but that's arbitrary.  The ultimate install directory has nothing to do with where you choose to unpack it
[07:50] <sbengtson> OneTruth - anywhere you can access it. Some people use the /usr/src directory for building
[07:50] <Blissex> OneTruth: '/usr/local' usually, but TWiki must be unpacked to the directory where you got the site.
[07:51] <sethk>   /usr/local is typicall for installation, _not_ for unpacking tar
[07:51] <OneTruth> because twiki doesnt have an installation, you just unpack it to where it will be used
[07:51] <sethk> OneTruth, in that case, I take back what I said  :)
[07:51] <OneTruth> ;)
[07:51] <OneTruth> ok so if i am just unpacking it for the web where should i put it?
[07:52] <sethk> unix people tend to use /opt, although /usr/local is common there also
[07:52] <sbengtson> OneTruth - if it is a web app (php) then under /usr/local is probably best then configure your web server
[07:54] <sbengtson> Does anyone know how to setup a laptop with autodetecting dual monitors on an ATI card?
[07:54] <cc> hey guys, can you join #python channel?
[07:54] <cc> I cound't
[07:55] <teletubbie> #python :You need to be identified to join that channel
[07:55] <sethk> cc, I can.  Do you have identd running?
[07:55] <cc> sethk: no identd
[07:55] <roryy> you need to register
[07:55] <teletubbie> you need to identify using nickserv first
[07:55] <winona82> sbengtson, does it use port 20 instead of 21?
[07:56] <sethk> cc, try what teletubbie & roryy said, if you aren't identified.
[07:56] <nocando> I can't change the screen resolution on the computer. I have followed the instructions and modified xorg.conf but this it doesn't change ( http://pastebin.com/709798 ).  surely there must be a better way?
[07:56] <winona82> vsftp
[07:56] <cc> thanks guys
[07:56] <sethk> nocando, if you have multiple resolutions defined, did you try using control-alt-+ and control-alt--?
[07:56] <sbengtson> winona82 - ftp has a connection port of 21 then data ports unless you use passive mode.
[07:56] <mneptok> winona82: it uses whatever port you specify in the config
[07:56] <sethk> nocando, (the second one is control alt minus)
[07:56] <winona82> sbengtson, so what ports shoul i open in my router? 20 and 21?
[07:57] <nocando> sethk: that didn't seem to do anything
[07:57] <winona82> mneptok, on config file?
[07:57] <sbengtson> winona82 - Yes 20 and 21, 20
[07:58] <sethk> nocando, what nocando check your X log file, see if it gives you errors about some of those resolutions
[07:58] <winona82> sbengtson, cool, thx
[07:58] <winona82> both TCP, right?
[07:58] <sethk> nocando, most likely it thinks that either your video card or your monitor can't support them
[07:58] <CC> my nickname is owned by someone else, so do I need to change my nickname before joining #python ?
[07:58] <sbengtson> winona82 - your clients should use passive mode and yes both TCP
[07:58] <nocando> I don't think there are any errors in the screen resolutions - I have put the config in a pastebin - http://pastebin.com/709798
[07:59] <sethk> CC, yes
[07:59] <nocando> would be able to have a quick look please:)
[07:59] <CC> sethk: thanks
[07:59] <sethk> nocando, I already looked at the config.  unfortunately, it doesn't tell me what's wrong.  paste the X log file
[08:00] <winona82> windowsd ftp client does not support passive mdoe, no?
[08:00] <paradizelost> howdy all
[08:01] <gili> need some help with boot problem
[08:01] <paradizelost> gili  what's the issue?
[08:01] <gili> i updated a bunch of stuff and now i get a kernel panic at boot
[08:01] <gili> cannot boot
[08:02] <paradizelost> k. what is the error?   cannot mount /
[08:02] <paradizelost> ?
[08:02] <paradizelost> if you press escape and pick a different kernel out of the list, does it work?
[08:02] <gili> no
[08:02] <gili> stuck
[08:02] <nocando> sethk: thanks - I have put the logs here: http://pastebin.com/709810  I have taken only the top entries - let me know if you need more
[08:03] <paradizelost> what's the error gili?
[08:03] <paradizelost> need more info than 'kernel panic'
[08:03] <paradizelost> cuz that can be a lot of things
[08:03] <gili> says Panic: Circular Dependncy...exiting
[08:03] <sethk> nocando, ok, I'm on a call, so it will be a few minutes
[08:03] <squidgy> Hi.  I'm having some trouble compiling an application because certain header files are missing.  Is there a way to find which dev package(s) in the repository contain a given file?
[08:03] <paradizelost> gili: you on breezy or dapper?
[08:03] <nocando> sethk - no worries
[08:03] <gili> Kernel Panci-Not syncing kill init
[08:03] <gili> then it dies
[08:03] <gili> dapper
[08:03] <ruzgar> how can i make a deb file froam a tar.gz file
[08:04] <ruzgar> ?
[08:04] <trappist> squidgy: sudo apt-get install apt-file; sudo apt-file update; apt-file search filename
[08:04] <sbengtson> winona82 - windows clients should
[08:04] <roryy> squidgy: http://packages.ubuntu.com lets you search inside packages
[08:04] <paradizelost> gili, try in #ubuntu+1
[08:04] <squidgy> trappist:  excellent.  Many thanks.
[08:04] <paradizelost> that's the dapper room
[08:04] <trappist> ruzgar: it's a complicated process - search for 'packaging' on the wiki
[08:05] <gili> thanks
[08:07] <nocando> sethk - in case you are reading this I have noticed something on interest something further down in the logs and have added it to the pastebin entry http://pastebin.com/709825
[08:07] <raphaa> hello
[08:07] <raphaa> # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8)
[08:07] <raphaa> #     DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN
[08:07] <raphaa> -> where can i enter my favourite nameserver???
[08:08] <squidgy> roryy: Thanks to you too.
[08:08] <roryy> np
[08:09] <userone> hello all...can anyone recommend a good way of sending a fax using ubuntu. 'Good@ meaning qucik and easy! :-)
[08:10] <squidgy> trappist:  Worked beautifully.  I should've asked about this ages ago.  Thanks again.
[08:10] <trappist> squidgy: best kept secret in the debian world
[08:11] <userone> what is the best kept secret in the debian world? I missed it! lol
[08:11] <squidgy> userone: apt-file.  It lets you find which package in the repositories contains a given file.
[08:13] <userone> squidgy: ok...I can see how that is a good secret to know! :-)
[08:13] <trappist> userone: sshh!  don't tell anyone else.
[08:13] <trappist> let them pull their hair out in frustration
[08:13] <squidgy> userone:  trappist just told me about it.  His instructions for installation and use: "sudo apt-get install apt-file; sudo apt-file update; apt-file search filename"
[08:14] <sethk> nocando, paste the entire file, if that's not too difficult.  If that's a problem, then the end of the file is much more likely to be useful than the beginning
[08:15] <captine> anyone know where i can get a complete list of apps installed with ubuntu?
[08:15] <userone> squidgy: thanks..I have just noted that down in my ubuntu cookbook! Will definately set that up later :-)
[08:16] <holysmoke> can sombody please help a poor ubuntu newbie (me) install a second harddrive (that is at hdb1) , its just for storage. I cant seem to edit fstab properly...
[08:16] <fj2> help! i need a program which is able to switch through the channels of my bt878 tv tuner card....
[08:16] <paradizelost> holysmoke: have you formatted it already?
[08:16] <userone> trappist: squidgy: Its so useful having linux masters around! ;-)
[08:16] <holysmoke> yes  <paradizelost>
[08:16] <dumezil_> what handles the automounting of usb flash drives in ubuntu?  when i plug one in, it shows up on the desktop, but i don't have read or write access...  mount shows "/dev/sda1 on /media/sda1 type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,quiet,shortname=winnt,uid=0,gid=0,umask=077,iocharset=utf8)"
[08:17] <paradizelost> holysmoke: what filesystem?
[08:17] <holysmoke> I used mkdir to   make a directory called       /media/storage
[08:17] <holysmoke> its ext3
[08:17] <paradizelost> k.
[08:17] <paradizelost> add this line
[08:18] <nocando> sethk: okay I have pasted the entire file http://pastebin.com/709865 :)
[08:18] <squidgy> userone:  I'm no linux master.  I'm a complete n00b.  Getting there, though.  You have any other gems in that cookbook?
[08:18] <holysmoke> thanks
[08:18] <zelevw> fj2: tvtime works well
[08:18] <paradizelost>  /dev/hdb1       /media/storage               ext3 defaults          0       1
[08:18] <paradizelost> then mount -a
[08:18] <arrick> holysmoke, /ETC/MTAB HANDLES IT
[08:19] <dumezil_> where can i define mount options for the automounting of usb flash drives?
[08:19] <trappist> arrick: not really
[08:19] <arrick> sorry about the caps
[08:19] <holysmoke> doing it brb
[08:19] <captine> paradizelost: i've never fully understood the 0 1 at the end of the line in fstab?  u have a quick definition of what it means?
[08:19] <fj2> zelevw: no it doesnt... i aint got a framebuffer..... and i dont need a tv-wathing program... just a frontend for switching the channels... watching works well with vlc...
[08:19] <sethk> nocando, it is complaining about the hsync and vrefresh ranges in the config file
[08:19] <arrick> captine, its back wards copatibility stuff
[08:20] <lsuactiafner> hey captine
[08:20] <sethk> nocando, then it is trying to use 60Hz vertical for everything, which is not what you want
[08:20] <lsuactiafner> draconis here..
[08:20] <userone> squidgy: I am a noob too, but trying! The cookbook is getting fatter by the day! :-) It depends what you consider a gem!?
[08:20] <captine> hey lsuactiafner
[08:20] <sethk> nocando, I think it doesn't know what kind of monitor is attached, and is assuming that the attached one can't do anything
[08:20] <nocando> sethk - right - that makes sence
[08:20] <arrick> userone, where is this cookbook?
[08:21] <paradizelost> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fstab
[08:21] <lsuactiafner> aint the 0 and the 1 if a disk should be fscked if not cleanly mounted, especially with ext2?
[08:21] <holysmoke> it keeps saying   mount: only root can mount /dev/hdb1 on /media/storage
[08:21] <arrick> yeah, if you have ext2. but with ext3 its outdated
[08:21] <sethk> nocando, the card config is fine, it finds 1024x768, 800x600, and 640x480.  it finds 1280x1024 but says your virtual max resolution is smaller than 1280x1024 so it ignores it
[08:21] <paradizelost> you need to sudo mount -a
[08:21] <paradizelost> holysmoke: when ever your doing system things, use sudo before the command
[08:21] <arrick> put sudo before your command to mount it
[08:22] <userone> arrick: Its just a book of notes on Linux/Ubuntu I put together to help me set up my Linux system. Its nothing official! :-)
[08:22] <dumezil_> where can i define mount options for the automounting of usb flash drives?
[08:22] <NoUse> its also for vfat, I set that number wront once nad it would scan my vfat drive at boot each time
[08:22] <arrick> userone, publish it to help others out
[08:22] <squidgy> userone: apt-file definitely counts as a gem in my book.  Wickedly powerful and non-obvious.
[08:22] <goo> Hi. I am on breezy and wants to upgrade to Dapper. Are there any GUI programs that allows for one-click upgrade?
[08:22] <nocando> sethk : I'll just have a quick look through the config now
[08:22] <arrick> put it into html and post it to the web
[08:22] <NoUse> goo 'sudo update-manager -d'
[08:22] <arrick> hahahahahahaha
[08:22] <holysmoke> thanks alot im learning
[08:23] <holysmoke> does that mount -a stay in effect on my next login
[08:23] <paradizelost> the mount -a just tells it to mount everything in /etc/fstab
[08:23] <mr_hus> hey, just wonding, it seems like everyday there are like 90 new updates to install on my ubuntu system. I always heard that it's not so good to update your system when everything works... Is there an easy way to only be notified about really really important updates so that I just update my whole machine once in a while?
[08:23] <goo> NoUse: ahhh, the -d switch. Great! Thanks!
[08:23] <paradizelost> rather than manually mounting each  line if you unmounted them for some reason
[08:23] <trappist> mr_hus: are you running dapper?
[08:23] <mr_hus> trappist: yeah
[08:23] <arrick> I ve learned a couple of times not, and yesterdya went back to Win 2003 Server Enterprize so my printer is fully supported
[08:23] <mr_hus> flight 6 i think
[08:23] <userone> arrick: yes, I will. I have received a lot of help from others and I should pay back! I should put the cookbook into some sort of order first!
[08:24] <paradizelost> holysmoke: on boot, it will automount unless you add ,noauto after defaults
[08:24] <NoUse> mr_hus thats why, dapper is still under development
[08:24] <trappist> mr_hus: it's because dapper is still in development.  update regularly.  the volume of updates will decrease significantly after release.
[08:24] <arrick> userone, if you need help, i can help out, or if you need a webhost, i can help out for that as well
[08:25] <nocando> sethk: I see what you mean. Should I change the monitor setting?
[08:25] <arrick> right at the moment though, Im configging the new server, wo it wil be better in a couple of days after I transfer everything
[08:25] <userone> arrick: thanks, I will let you know! :-)
[08:25] <nocando> sethk - perhaps: HorizSync       28-51    VertRefresh     43-70
[08:25] <arrick> ok
[08:25] <sethk> nocando, I think so.  If it doesn't have info for your monitor, use one of the "generic" monitor configurations where you can tell it which resolutions are supported
[08:26] <nocando> okay
[08:26] <sethk> nocando, I wouldn't try to edit the syncs directly.  use dpkg-reconfigure and let it convert the resolutions into the sync ranges
[08:26] <goo> NoUse: Well, it came to "downloading and installing", and then crashed. I'll just do it the oldfashioned way.
[08:26] <dumezil_> when you plug in a usb flash drive, what actually executes the mount command?  is it hotplug?  or something else?
[08:27] <thug> how do i set write permission to a dir ?
[08:27] <dumezil_> to make it read only?
[08:27] <trappist> thug: chmod +w dir
[08:27] <trappist> thug: chmod -R +w dir to make it recursive
[08:27] <Rug> Howdy all
[08:27] <Rug> I am back once again...
[08:28] <thug> trappist thanks
[08:28] <thug> trappist one last thing please ... how do i run pl script ? its a installer
[08:28] <Rug> I have just done a fresh install.  and now I can't access tty1-9 anymore.   My ctrl+alt+Fx keys don't work
[08:28] <ompaul> thug you may not need to do that, what program is it for?
[08:28] <trappist> thug: perl filename.pl
[08:29] <thug> ompaul vmware
[08:29] <thug> ompaul looks like the installer it in installer dir . :) its a sh script
[08:29] <ompaul> thug, k
[08:32] <dumezil_> can anyone help me with a usb flash drive problem?
[08:32] <paradizelost> dumezil_: by now, i don't know if anyone is on who can help atm.  what version u using?
[08:33] <NoUse> !justask
[08:33] <ubotu> - Ask your question and we'll try to answer it.
[08:33] <paradizelost> NoUse: he's been asking, but no one answered, and i wouldn't be of any use because i'm not sure myself..
[08:33] <dumezil_> nouse  ive been asking and no one has answered...
[08:33] <sethk> Rug, those are pts, virtual screens.  ttys are serial ports
[08:34] <NoUse> ok
[08:34] <dumezil_> paradizelost, im using ubuntu 5.10
[08:34] <ompaul> I have an opinion but am unsure of it, so I would be guessing (albeit partially educated)
[08:34] <sethk> dumezil, you have to ask a specific question
[08:34] <Rug> sethk: ok, sorry.
[08:34] <HiddenWolf> Does anyone know if I can set up gossip to talk to the msn gateway of my jabber server?
[08:34] <s|k> how do I do recursive grep?
[08:34] <sethk> Rug, do you still have your normal X screens (assuming you use X)?
[08:34] <sethk> s|k, grep -r
[08:34] <s|k> thanks :)
[08:34] <Rug> sethk: X is the only thing working right now.
[08:35] <paradizelost> dumezil_: just checking
[08:35] <thug> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match my running
[08:35] <thug> kernel?
[08:35] <sethk> Rug, I wonder if you really lost the screens, or what is really happening is that it isn't recognizing the keyboard properly
[08:35] <Rug> 2.6.12-10-k7
[08:35] <thug> usr/src/linux/include ?
[08:35] <crazy_penguin> how can i see the filelist from an installed package?
[08:35] <trappist> thug: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[08:35] <paradizelost> thug: have you installed them? they aren't installed by default
[08:36] <Rug> sethk: could be
[08:36] <sethk> thug, usually /usr/src/linux-version   as in /usr/src/linux-<IP_ADDRESS>/include.  but ubuntu uses a different name and you may need to create a link
[08:36] <ompaul> thug,  cd /usr/src/linux-headers-`uname -r` will do it
[08:36] <trappist> once they're installed they should be in /lib/modules
[08:37] <dumezil_> sethk: when i plug in my usb flash drive, dmesg shows it being recognized by the kernel and loading the correct modules and i end up with a useable sda1, but i thought it should automount and show up on my desktop, but it doesn't
[08:37] <dumezil_> why not?
[08:37] <thug> trappist well i just need to tell vmware where they are
[08:37] <sethk> trappist, modules are in /lib/modules, not headers, IIRC
[08:37] <sethk> dumezil, most likely it isn't formatted
[08:37] <trappist> thug: vmware-config.pl should find them automatically once they're installed
[08:37] <dumezil_> i can manually mount it and it works
[08:37] <trappist> sethk: they're symlinks - the one vmware-config.pl wants is in /lib/modules.
[08:37] <sethk> dumezil, as what kind of file system?
[08:37] <thug> trappist i just run apt now ...
[08:37] <nocando> okay - still can't get my screen to increase. Can anyone tell me how to tell the computer what type of screen I am using?
[08:37] <dumezil_> vfat
[08:38] <sethk> trappist, for headers?  I've never seen that, but then I don't use vmware
[08:38] <yonatan> hi there, just a quick question - I've just plugged a microtek scanner, and lsusb sees it fine... now what?
[08:39] <ompaul> thug, did you check this out:  cd /usr/src/linux-headers-`uname -r` :?
[08:39] <trappist> yonatan: sudo sane-find-scanners?
[08:39] <Rug> yonatan: you need to use a scanning program to use that scanner.  try something like xsane
[08:39] <sethk> dumezil, not sure, then.  Mine occasionally fail to automount, but usually they do manage to
[08:39] <trappist> yonatan: err, sane-find-scanner
[08:40] <dumezil_> sethk, any idea what process handles the automounting?  is it within gnome or outside?  like hotplug or something
[08:40] <nocando> sethk: I restarted the computer - and still no joy. Is there a way of change the device setting for the monitor?
[08:40] <yonatan> sudo: sane-find-scanners: command not found
[08:40] <yonatan> =(
[08:40] <RandolphCarter> dumezil, afaik, it's gnome-volume-manager
[08:40] <thug> ompaul they were in /lib/modules/2.6.12-10-386/build/include
[08:40] <sethk> nocando, dpkg-reconfigure let's you specify the monitor
[08:40] <trappist> yonatan: 13:39 <trappist> yonatan: err, sane-find-scanner
[08:40] <nocando> thanks
[08:40] <sethk> dumezil, udev is where it normally happens
[08:41] <sethk> dumezil, the gnome thing brings up a window showing the file system, but gnome doesn't mount it
[08:41] <thug> trappist thanks again
[08:41] <ompaul> thug, ahh so the "obvious" is not obvious :)
[08:41] <nocando> sethk: dpkg-reconfigure just says "please specify a package to reconfigure" any ideas about this?
[08:41] <thug> ompaul ;)
[08:41] <sethk> nocando, dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver
[08:42] <sethk> or is it xserver-xorg?  I can never remember
[08:42] <Rug> xserver-xorg
[08:42] <nocando> yep it was xserver-xorg. :)
[08:43] <byen_> hey guys can someone help me run last fm via any music player in breezy
[08:43] <yonatan> umm... I don't know what to say... I just plugged it in, typed xsane (the sane-find-scanner sommand doesn't exist) and clicked on scan... it *seems* to be working.... lets find out.
[08:43] <SkedMonger> I think I'm going to cry!! I've lost 5 CD's to Breezy today and keep getting the same error when I try to install it
[08:44] <NoUse> SkedMonger what error message?
[08:44] <|Sivik|> SkedMonger: did you try redownloading or checking the file before you burn it
[08:44] <katie_> anybody here use use a rio audio player?
[08:44] <Rug> SkedMonger: try downloading from a different source.
[08:44] <yonatan> windows = 0, linux = 1
[08:44] <yonatan> =D
[08:44] <|Sivik|> yonatan: what kind of scanner is it?
[08:44] <yonatan> microtek phantom C6
[08:44] <sethk> SkedMonger, if you do the same thing twice and it fails, it will also fail the third, fourth, and fifth time
[08:45] <SkedMonger> Ok, I redownloaded it earlier, and used md5scanner to check the md5 hash, and it matched
[08:45] <SkedMonger> I burnt it to three other CD's as well
[08:45] <|Sivik|> SkedMonger: then try downloading the file from somewhere else cause the one you might be downloading is bad
[08:45] <sethk> SkedMonger, dd the image from the cd and md5sum that
[08:45] <Rug> SkedMonger: what error are you getting?
[08:45] <|Sivik|> SkedMonger: use a different mirror
[08:45] <sethk> SkedMonger, what's the error?
[08:45] <sethk> SkedMonger, did you get the md5sum from the download site?
[08:46] <arrick> OUCH why is my windows server 2003 enterprize faster than when I had the ubuntu/apache2 server?
[08:46] <sethk> |Sivik|, a lot quicker to get the sum from another site, rather than repeating the download from another site.
[08:46] <SkedMonger> just run the CD int. check, and the message is: The ./dists/breezt/restricted/binary-i386/release failed the MD5 checksum verfication. Your CD-Rom or this file might have been corrupted
[08:46] <SkedMonger> ok
[08:46] <|Sivik|> sethk: but if the sum is the same, its not going to do much of anytihng else
[08:46] <yonatan> Rug: Thanks, xsane just works automagically.
[08:47] <sethk> arrick, impossible to say, there are a million ways to tweak things
[08:47] <|Sivik|> SkedMonger: did you run the md5 before you burned the disc
[08:47] <Rug> yupp I use it here
[08:47] <|Sivik|> SkedMonger: what burning software are you using?
[08:47] <SkedMonger> Yes, I got the MD5 sum from the http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/releases.ubuntu.com/5.10/ mirror
[08:47] <sethk> |Sivik|, if the sum is the same, then the image is correct, and downloading it again is pointless
[08:47] <SkedMonger> I'm using Alcohol 120%
[08:47] <emmanuel> bazzi
[08:47] <paradizelost> SkedMonger: did you actually md5 the image itself and verify that you had a good download?
[08:47] <arrick> sethk, I tweaked for a month on ubuntu and the default winserv is twice as fast
[08:47] <emmanuel> hola
[08:47] <emmanuel> i happy
[08:48] <sethk> arrick, in general people report the reverse.  running on the same hardware?
[08:48] <NoUse> arrick how are you comparing speed?
[08:48] <arrick> same everything
[08:48] <arrick> ip hardware, domain name, ram everything
[08:48] <|Sivik|> stehk: but if the sum iSKedmonger: where are you downloading the file from?
[08:48] <sethk> arrick, the knock on M$'s server is that it's a security nightmare, not that it is slow
[08:48] <|Sivik|> SkedMonger: where are you downloading the file from?
[08:49] <sethk> |Sivik|, it's reasonable to assume that if you get the _sum_ from two separate ubuntu download sites, the _sum_ is correct.  If the file then matches the _sum_, then the file is correct.
[08:49] <Rug> SkedMonger: can you burn the ISO using a different program?
[08:49] <|Sivik|> sethk: no joke, but if you download another sum and you get the same sum that was already discovered, not from the image, the image is still going to be wrong
[08:49] <SkedMonger> pardizelost: the md5summer that I downloaded generated the MD5 Sum of the ISO, and that matched with the one listed at http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/releases.ubuntu.com/5.10/
[08:49] <arrick> NoUse, it takes my remote box .5 seconds to access the webpage, and with the ubuntu/apache2 the best I got was at least 3 seconds to access it
[08:49] <SkedMonger> Rug: Going to have a go burning it with Nero now
[08:50] <yonatan> well, thanks for all your help. I'm going to rip off some Rosslyn Da Vinci tartan now ;)
[08:50] <sethk> |Sivik|, you aren't listening.  I said to get the _sum_ from the download site.  Not to download and compute the sum.
[08:50] <paradizelost> arrick: sounds like you are having a name resolution issue, not a pulling up the page issue.
[08:50] <sethk> |Sivik|, the download sites post the sum along with the iso files
[08:50] <arrick> paradizelost, that was using the ip not the name with both
[08:50] <paradizelost> what type of page are you using? standard html?
[08:51] <arrick> yep
[08:51] <sethk> arrick, I would have to see a packet trace of the two cases, but I agree with paradizelost, that big a difference can't be caused only by the web server
[08:51] <Rug> arrick: try using lynx as a test-browser too.
[08:51] <paradizelost> http://news.netcraft.com/
[08:51] <arrick> ok
[08:51] <paradizelost> arrick: http://news.netcraft.com/
[08:51] <sethk> arrick, how long does it take the apache test page to come up?
[08:52] <Daniel-_> How do I update the installation from 6.06 beta 1 -> flight 7?
[08:52] <paradizelost> arrick: what you using as a browser? ie, firefox???
[08:52] <sethk> arrick, if apache were 12 times slower, it would not be a secret
[08:52] <victori> what is the difference between multiverse and universe?
[08:52] <arrick> I dont know never looked at the test page
[08:52] <paradizelost> Daniel-_: that's best suited for #ubuntu+1
[08:52] <NoUse> Daniel-_ sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:52] <arrick> IE
[08:52] <Daniel-_> paradizelost: I see
[08:52] <Daniel-_> nouse: thanks alot
[08:52] <paradizelost> arrick: might M$ make a different vendor's server page take longer???
[08:53] <paradizelost> Daniel-_: i'd give NoUse's solution a try, and if you have issues, try the other room
[08:53] <victori> anyone?
[08:53] <victori> difference between multiverse and universe?
[08:53] <paradizelost> !repositories
[08:53] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[08:53] <arrick> !universe
[08:53] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[08:53] <|Sivik|> victori: milti, multipy verses, uni mean one verse
[08:54] <arrick> paradizelost, no\
[08:54] <paradizelost> |Sivik|: but what about the underverse?
[08:54] <byen_> can anyone help me with using lastfm via any music player that comes with breezy
[08:54] <paradizelost> ;)
[08:54] <|Sivik|> paradizelost: lol
[08:54] <arrick> access took as long when I had ubuntu on both and used firefox as well
[08:54] <Rug> byen_: have you tried using Amarok?
[08:54] <arrick> but im not worried about it, I am glad
[08:54] <NoUse> arrick i think its a name resolution issue with apache
[08:54] <|Sivik|> paradizelost: that means under the known universe
[08:55] <arrick> k
[08:55] <paradizelost> |Sivik|: you have seen chronicles of riddick right?
[08:55] <paradizelost> :P
[08:55] <arrick> im not using apache anymore, ao that issue is gone
[08:55] <|Sivik|> paradizelost: yes, love it
[08:56] <paradizelost> when i switched to ubuntu from gentoo, i found the verse thing rather funny
[08:56] <byen_> Rug, nope.. I was trying gnome based.. is amarok better?
[08:56] <sethk> arrick, in answer to your question, then, in most cases apache is faster, and there is absolutely no way that your delay previously was caused by apache per se
[08:56] <paradizelost> they could call the things like libdvdcss2 and libdivx4linux an underverse repository...
[08:56] <Rug> VERY much better
[08:56] <Rug> byen_: best music-collection package on the planet
[08:57] <byen_> but resource hungry aint it Rug?
[08:57] <Rug> I have never noticed (but I do have 2Gb of ram)
[08:57] <byen_> :P
[08:57] <mabus> nick@nostradamus:~/prog$ ssh mabus.sytes.net -p 21
[08:57] <mabus> ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
[08:57] <Rug> it does work best if you have the ram to spare.
[08:58] <trappist> mabus: -p 21?
[08:58] <mabus> I get those errors when trying to connect to my sshd server (yes, I know 21 is generally ftp)
[08:58] <loco> hello
[08:58] <SkedMonger> what would be the best prog. to use on Windows to burn my ISO ?
[08:58] <paradizelost> SkedMonger: i've had luck w/ nero
[08:58] <loco> a private to solve a DVD problem?
[08:58] <mabus> SkedMonger: Daemon Tools / Alcohol 120%
[08:58] <SkedMonger> ok, cheers
[08:58] <Rug> mabus: does your sshd listening on port 21?
[08:58] <eggzeck> SkedMonger, nero, you dont even have to tell it it's a boot cd
[08:58] <trappist> mabus: try ssh -v and/or check the auth log on the remote box
[08:59] <mabus> Rug: yes, if it wasn't, I wouldn't have gotten that far
[08:59] <reiki> ok this is maybe going to sound like a dumb question, but I don't know so I'm asking... currently have HD on IDE0 and CDROM alone on IDE1. If I add a hard drive to the IDE1 with cdrom and therefore set the cdrom as slave, is Ubuntu going to freak out? Or will I just have to go in and edit fstab and reboot?
[08:59] <paradizelost> reiki: should just have to edit fstab
[08:59] <reiki> the HD I'm adding is an older ATA66 drive just for storage... I don't want it on the same ribbon as my ATA100 main drive
[08:59] <mabus> trappist: The connection gets established, there doesn't appear to be anything wrong until then.
[09:00] <paradizelost> reiki: however, the new hdd is going to run slow as snot, because it's gonna slow down to the cdrom speed
[09:00] <PenguinOfDoom> How do I configure Ubuntu to keep the system clock in the current time zone and not UTC? I'm dual-booting into Windows and it doesn't expect UTC.
[09:00] <paradizelost> mabus: why are you running on port 21?
[09:00] <trappist> mabus: right, sounds like an authentication problem
[09:00] <reiki> paradizelost, better that a storage-only drive runs slow rather than slowing my main hard drive... see what I mean?
[09:00] <paradizelost> PenguinOfDoom: should have asked you which format you wanted to keep time on boot....
[09:00] <sethk> reiki, no problem, however, if it is an eide cable (which is almost certainly is), jumper _both_ as cable select and connect the master to the black connector and the slave to the grey connector
[09:01] <PenguinOfDoom> paradizelost: You mean during installation? It's a bit too late for that now.
[09:01] <paradizelost> reiki: but how hard are you actually hitting your main drive where ATA66 isn't fast enough?
[09:01] <mabus> paradizelost: Because the computer I want to connect to my server with has a strict firewall, but I know you can connect to ftp so I figured I could use putty for ssh/21
[09:01] <paradizelost> mabus: is it a system you are restricted on outbound where you don't have any control over it?
[09:01] <paradizelost> PenguinOfDoom: breezy or dapper?
[09:02] <PenguinOfDoom> paradizelost: dapper, reasonably recent
[09:02] <mabus> paradizelost: Not sure... all I know is that it times out when I tried to connect to sshd on 22, then I put it on 32337 and it still wouldn't
[09:02] <mabus> But I know for a fact you can connect to ftp servers
[09:03] <trappist> mabus: could be the proxy you're trying to go through knows how to distinguish between ssh and ftp traffic
[09:03] <reiki> paradizelost, I understand the speed implications... the drive I'm adding is basically just for storing downloads and files I don't want to download AGAIN when I trash and reinstall this system in a couple months. So I just didn't see the logic in slowing my entire system down for a drive that'll get accessed maybe a couple times a week
[09:03] <kevlar_> hello world :)
[09:03] <PenguinOfDoom> mabus: Time to write an ssh-over-ftp tunnel!
[09:03] <mabus> trappist: If that's the case, I will come across that problem later. Haven't gotten to that yet, I'm on the comp with the sshd server.
[09:04] <kevlar_> is there any FREE windows emulator for ubuntu?
[09:04] <mabus> PenguinOfDoom: explain?
[09:04] <mabus> kevlar_: wine
[09:04] <LKRaider> kevlar_: vmware player
[09:04] <fundacite> En la distro que actualmente estoy usando (ubuntu ver 5.10) existe un bug en el manejo de la disquetera, no permite montarla.
[09:04] <fundacite> Que debo descargar y de donde para corregir tal bug?
[09:04] <mabus> !es
[09:04] <Rug> !es
[09:04] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[09:04] <Rug> =)
[09:04] <fundacite> Gracias
[09:05] <PenguinOfDoom> mabus: FTP allows one to transfer arbitrary binary data. Including your ssh session
[09:05] <mabus> PenguinOfDoom: Well I can program okay... what's a good language and some things to google around with?
[09:06] <mneptok> mabus: use ssh -v when connecting
[09:06] <PenguinOfDoom> mabus: I don't know!  I'd probably try to use Twisted's (www.twistedmatrix.com) FTP implementation.
[09:07] <mneptok> vsftpd is a better choice.
[09:07] <PenguinOfDoom> mabus: Make sure FTP does work :P
[09:07] <mabus> mneptok: #floodme
[09:07] <mneptok> FTP is frought with peril, being cleartext.
[09:07] <mneptok> mabus: huh?
[09:07] <mabus> mneptok: it's too big to paste in here but I don't want to pastebin
[09:08] <mabus> -v
[09:08] <sethk> if the data stream sent via ftp is encrypted, then the ftp vulnerability becomes irrelevant
[09:08] <paradizelost> mabus: i recommend perl
[09:08] <mneptok> mabus: only the last couple lines are of interest. that will tell you exactly where ssh is falling down.
[09:08] <PenguinOfDoom> sethk: You still want to make MitM less than trivial.
[09:08] <skwid_> hi
[09:08] <skwid_> I get this error when trying to upgrade to dapper
[09:09] <mabus> debug1: identity file /home/nick/.ssh/identity type -1
[09:09] <mabus> debug1: identity file /home/nick/.ssh/id_rsa type -1
[09:09] <mabus> debug1: identity file /home/nick/.ssh/id_dsa type -1
[09:09] <mabus> ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
[09:09] <rogue-> is ubuntu good for gay men ?
[09:09] <skwid_> Invalid package information
[09:09] <skwid_> After your package information was updated the essential package 'ubuntu-base' can not be found anymore.
[09:09] <skwid_> This indicates a serious error, please report this as a bug.
[09:09] <sethk> PenguinOfDoom, anybody can snag the ssh datastream as it travels over the net.  the fact that it is pointed at port 21 somewhere does not increase that vulnerability at all.
[09:09] <skwid_> any idea ?
[09:09] <paradizelost> rogue-: no, you want an imac
[09:09] <paradizelost> :D
[09:09] <rogue-> but someone said ubuntu is for fags
[09:09] <Minty> hello
[09:09] <amanda> how do I download ubuntu from my computer for someone elses use
[09:09] <amanda> ?
[09:09] <mneptok> mabus: is connection to that ssh server by pubkey only?
[09:09] <skwid_> please ? :)
[09:10] <mabus> mneptok: no
[09:10] <sethk> we wouldn't have a troll here by any chance?
[09:10] <paradizelost> amanda: download the ISO and install/or use livecd
[09:10] <rogue-> is it ? is ubuntu for fags ?
[09:10] <PenguinOfDoom> sethk: Replacing a PORT command to point to the intercepting host is more convenient than redirecting a whole TCP stream :P
[09:10] <mabus> !ops
[09:10] <ubotu> Help! lilo, hedgemage, lamont, Keybuk, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmitch, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, nalioth, Madpilot, ompaul, rob, Hobbsee or gnomefreak!
[09:10] <amanda> Where do I find the ISO?
[09:10] <mneptok> mabus: what command are you using to connect?
[09:10] <Seveas> mabus, ?
[09:10] <nalioth> mabus: ?
[09:10] <mabus> rogue-:
[09:10] <deep_> Hello everyone. :)
[09:10] <jdavila> amanda: cdimage.ubuntu.com
[09:10] <Minty> newbie question, have no sound from my laptop while playing a Cd any quick ideas
[09:10] <PenguinOfDoom> whoah
[09:11] <paradizelost> amanda: go to ubuntu.com and click download
[09:11] <PenguinOfDoom> Seveas: What's the button for the fancy kick?
[09:11] <paradizelost> !download
[09:11] <ubotu> rumour has it, download is get Ubuntu LiveCD & install ISOs at http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ and if you need information on burning ISOs, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BurningIsoHowto
[09:11] <sethk> PenguinOfDoom, no it isn't, not at all.  If you are talking about someone with root access to the machine that the ftp server is running on, he can just snag the data after it's decrypted.  Anywhere else along the line there is absolutely no difference in the difficulting of snagging a stream going to port 22 vs s
[09:11] <Seveas> PenguinOfDoom, /lart nickname
[09:11] <mneptok> Minty: check and ensure the sound mixer doesn't have the CD channel muted.
[09:11] <nalioth> PenguinOfDoom: there is no button, it's a script
[09:11] <Rug> The bot doesn't like Seveas....   There's going to be trouble!
[09:11] <sethk> PenguinOfDoom, in one case you have  a tcp stream to port 22.  in the other you have a stream to port 21.  there is no difference in difficulty of interception
[09:11] <Minty> done thank its ok
[09:11] <Seveas> PenguinOfDoom, but that only works in my script ;)
[09:11] <Seveas> Rug, ?
[09:11] <jdavila> What's the real difference between Ubuntu and Debian???
[09:11] <Seveas> !tell jdavila aboutr debian
[09:12] <paradizelost> PenguinOfDoom: even w/ the different ports, on a packet sniff, you can still tell that they're ssh packets
[09:12] <mneptok> sethk: except ssh streams are encrypted.
[09:12] <sethk> mneptok, we are talking about sending an encrypted stream to port 21 instead of port 22
[09:12] <mneptok> sethk: hence the differentiation between "cleartext" and "encrypted"
[09:12] <Seveas> !tell jdavila about debian
[09:12] <sethk> mneptok, no, there is no cleartext
[09:13] <sethk> mneptok, the discussion is about tunelling an ssh stream through port 21 because port 22 is blocked by a firewall
[09:13] <mneptok> sethk: if you mean running ssh on a different port does not reduce security, you are correct.
[09:13] <skwid_> can someone paste me their repositories file ??????
[09:13] <jdavila> thanks Seveas
[09:13] <Seveas> !tell skwid_ about repos
[09:13] <paradizelost> sethk: it's not tunneling the ssh connection
[09:13] <PenguinOfDoom> rarr too much noise
[09:13] <sethk> paradizelost, how not?
[09:13] <paradizelost> sethk: tunneling would be having ssh access and "tunneling" port 80 through the ssh tunnel to a remote machine
[09:13] <arrick> yep
[09:13] <paradizelost> i used to have to tunnel RDP to get into secure networks through 3 hops
[09:14] <sethk> paradizelost, tunneling has nothing to do specifically with port 80
[09:14] <paradizelost> sethk the port isn't what matters
[09:14] <arrick> nope
[09:14] <sethk> paradizelost, you can tunnel through any open port
[09:14] <paradizelost> there's a difference between tunneling, and changing the F*ing port it runs on
[09:14] <skwid_> Seveas, ???
[09:14] <trappist> tunneling is encapsulating the ssh traffic in, say, the http protocol
[09:14] <sethk> paradizelost, ok, that's true, this is more secure than the tunnel
[09:14] <trappist> or ftp in this case
[09:14] <Seveas> skwid_, ubotu told you what you want to know
[09:15] <sethk> trappist, that's an arbitrary definition, but in this case, we are encapsulating the ssh traffic using the ftp protocol, so there is no difference
[09:15] <paradizelost> sethk: WTF are you talking about?
[09:15] <Absolute0> whats the package that installs the jdk?
[09:15] <trappist> sethk: right, http was just an example
[09:15] <Seveas> !tell Absolute0 about java
[09:15] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Absolute0 about java
[09:15] <paradizelost> he's talking about running his SSH server on port 21 instead of port 22, not tunneling the SSH traffic through an FTP connection
[09:15] <skwid_> Seveas, ok thanks
[09:15] <paradizelost> the port has nothing to do w/ how the data is encapsulated
[09:16] <sethk> paradizelost, of course not, that was exactly my point.
[09:16] <paradizelost> just like running a web server on port 80 or port 8080 doesn't make the traffic secured at all
[09:16] <sethk> paradizelost, yes, that was exactly my point.
[09:16] <ubuntu> i do not understand this OP system im running.  HELP!!!!!!1
[09:16] <paradizelost> sethk: k. cuz you sounded like you were arguing the point...
[09:16] <skwid_> Seveas, where is the sources.list located ?
[09:16] <sethk> paradizelost, no, not at all
[09:16] <Seveas> paradizelost, well, if "security through obscurity" counts...
[09:16] <Seveas> skwid_, /etc/apt/
[09:16] <skwid_> thx
[09:17] <paradizelost> Seveas: that would be running my http server on port 53421
[09:17] <paradizelost> :D
[09:17] <Rug> ubuntu: ask specific questions, relax, and understand we are doing this for free.
[09:17] <ubuntu> Can somebody tell me a little about LINUX?
[09:17] <Seveas> indeed, relax, that's the most important
[09:17] <eobanb_> sure, ubuntu.  what would you like to know?
[09:17] <|Sivik|> ubuntu: what do you want to know
[09:17] <NoUse> ubuntu read http://help.ubuntu.com
[09:18] <Rug> Rule #1.   Linux is NOT windows.
[09:18] <|Sivik|> or go read about linux at www.wikipedia.org
[09:18] <Seveas> ubuntu, if you want a general introduction: read a (digital) book, There are lots of good ones
[09:18] <mneptok> Rule #2. Thank God.
[09:18] <paradizelost> ubuntu: ask a specific ?, because telling you a little about linux, could mean telling you how to use the mouse, to telling you how to configure LAMP
[09:18] <Rug> mneptok: har
[09:18] <paradizelost> Rule #3, Linus is GOD
[09:18] <jdavila> Amen mneptok
[09:18] <Seveas> mneptok, no, thank sabdfl
[09:18] <ubuntu> I can not download the shock player
[09:18] <kbrooks> i have a question
[09:18] <maccam94> what partition apps are available on the ubuntu livecd? (besides fdisk)
[09:18] <paradizelost> :P
[09:18] <salmiak> paradizelost, ;D
[09:18] <|Sivik|> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
[09:18] <mneptok> Seveas: i will when i see him next :)
[09:18] <Seveas> paradizelost, linus is a fool
[09:18] <nalioth> maccam94: gparted
[09:18] <Rug> maccam94: gparted
[09:18] <paradizelost> maccam94: possibly try gparted
[09:19] <ubuntu> i can not download anything for that matter
[09:19] <kbrooks> Seveas: do you likre RMS
[09:19] <paradizelost> Seveas: i do hope that was sarcastic....
[09:19] <Seveas> ubuntu, how are you trying to download? from the web or ftp or peer-to-peer programs?
[09:19] <jdavila> Seveas: why U say Linus is a fool??
[09:19] <ubuntu> What is FTP?
[09:19] <paradizelost> Seveas: considering the system you are talking about here would be much different
[09:19] <paradizelost> FTP = file transfer protocol
[09:19] <paradizelost> !ftp
[09:19] <ubotu> FTP clients: gftp, konqueror, kbear, nautilus. FTP servers: vsftpd, proftpd
[09:19] <Seveas> kbrooks, I like people like sabdfl and jdub, not the egocentrics like rms, esr etc...
[09:19] <salmiak> ubuntu, File Tranfer Protocol
[09:20] <mneptok> Linus is just like anyone else. he has his good and bad points.
[09:20] <maccam94> nalioth, Rug, paradizelost: thanks, helping a friend install linux over IM, not easy without the screen in front of me ;-)
[09:20] <Seveas> but we're going offtopic here
[09:20] <kbrooks> Seveas: can we go to -offtopic
[09:20] <ubuntu> My puter is hacked.
[09:20] <Rug> maccam94: ssh into his box and/or VNC
[09:20] <paradizelost> maccam94: he isn't installing dapper from the livecd is he?
[09:20] <ubuntu> i keep getting things on it to run up my memery
[09:20] <ubuntu> memory
[09:20] <maccam94> Rug: i don't have enough bandwidth atm
[09:20] <jdavila> can ubuntu be installed on my xbox???
[09:21] <mneptok> jdavila: no.
[09:21] <maccam94> paradizelost: no, i'm helping him install gentoo thru the livecd ;-)