[00:22] <snap-l> Man, I'm listening to WDET talking about the city of Detroit
[00:22] <rick_h_> that's a mistake
[00:22] <snap-l> Talk about a fucked city.
[00:23] <snap-l> There's no money, and they're fighting over what little is left.
[00:24] <snap-l> And it's all more corrupt than a third-world nation
[00:27] <snap-l> Um, this is weird.
[00:28] <snap-l> Soundjuicer doesn't show a launcher icon
[01:44] <rick_h_> so the wife isn't warm to the idea of moving to seattle
[01:48] <snap-l> Could've told you that.
[01:51] <rick_h_> but do see a seattle job on python job board
[01:53] <rick_h_> though there is a google office there it looks like
[02:13] <greg-g> score. I'm on the roof of the porch with the laptop. *much* cooler out here
[02:29] <rick_h_> greg-g: awesome!
[02:29] <rick_h_> cooler is better
[02:30] <rick_h_> i need a non code book to read...hmmm...
[02:30] <devinheitmueller> I wish I had a porch.  My apartment is stinking hot.
[02:34] <greg-g> yeah, we don't have the porch, just the roof to the porch :)
[02:34] <greg-g> second story apartment and all
[02:34] <devinheitmueller> ah
[02:34] <rick_h_> less buggy up high, good stuff
[02:46] <slapshot> Yoooo
[02:47] <slapshot> ?
[02:48] <rick_h_> ...name not found
[02:49] <slapshot> what name
[02:50] <rick_h_> Yoooo :)
[02:50] <slapshot> yooo
[02:50] <slapshot> you like dank?
[02:50] <rick_h_> speaking greek to me
[02:59] <greg-g> rick_h_: less buggy, but still kinda buggy :)
[03:00] <rick_h_> yea, we have misquito issues, but have found that 2nd story helps a ton
[03:21] <widox>  rick_h_ does that tagbar plugin work in console vim?
[03:21] <widox> the screenshots all look to be in gvim
[03:22] <snap-l> Running backups on my machine now. :)
[03:22] <snap-l> And yes, it's hot as hell out there
[03:22] <snap-l> I've got the air conditioning on
[03:23] <snap-l> man, run two rsyncs, and watch everything burn
[03:23] <widox> I finally put in my window unit in the bedroom so we can sleep tonight
[03:24] <snap-l> Yeah, we did that last week
[03:24]  * widox doesn't have central ac
[03:24] <snap-l> Neither do we
[03:28] <Blazeix> heh: http://twitter.com/#!/gortok/status/76647922065883136
[03:29] <rick_h_> widox: not tried it yet
[03:29] <Blazeix> that first link blows my mind
[03:29] <rick_h_> looks lke it's cool
[03:30] <rick_h_> Blazeix: ruh roh
[03:31] <rick_h_> https://github.com/mitechie/Bookie/blob/feature%2Fauth/bookie/models/auth.py#L65 if anyone wants me to do anything different lol
[03:32] <snap-l> Oh dear god
[03:32] <rick_h_> I see those things Blazeix and then cry because I know how work does things
[03:32] <rick_h_> and I've pushed for them to fix it, but hasn't happened on several apps
[03:33] <rick_h_> I mean, one app, the usernames are $level_$id
[03:33] <rick_h_> and $id == the password
[03:33] <rick_h_> "but it's ip limited to only their network space..." :(
[03:33] <widox> haha, those are some awesome functions in that pastbin... :-/
[03:33] <snap-l> But but but... I replaced ; with '', so it should't run
[03:34] <rick_h_> any time you see " secureSuperGlobalPOST" you know you're doomed
[03:35] <snap-l> The third link is precious too
[03:35] <rick_h_> yea, so glad there's a mad rush to md5
[03:35] <rick_h_> yay for the base64 of our day
[03:36] <snap-l> I'm just waiting for the rot13 and md5sum security
[04:51] <snap-l> Good night, everyone. See you tomorrow.
[12:49] <snap-l> Why does this frighten me? https://identi.ca/notice/75739526
[12:50] <snap-l> http://identi.ca/group/rantofabkuhn
[12:52] <brousch> afraid of competition?
[12:52] <snap-l> hardly
[12:53] <snap-l> Different goals, and it seems they're not ranting about FLOSS
[12:58] <snap-l> This is what the difference between the Ubuntu Conucil and the JCP is in a nutshell: https://identi.ca/notice/75742081
[12:59] <rick_h_> ouch, that's a scary podcast
[13:01] <brousch> snap-l: nice, link us to your identica post that links to the article
[13:01] <brousch> you're a real slashdotter
[13:01] <rick_h_> hah, publicity artist at his best
[13:02] <snap-l> Yeah, I need to monetize my identi.ca. ;)
[13:14] <greg-g> uh oh, this guy started following me on twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/Piracy_Patrol
[13:15] <rick_h_> greg-g! I never thought you'd be a wrong doer like that
[13:16]  * greg-g hangs head
[13:16] <greg-g> I'm guessing it was because of the court case I tweeted yesterday
[13:21] <brousch> you have angered the man. now he is tracking your every tweet
[13:22] <brousch> can you feel the spy satellite looking through your window?
[13:25] <greg-g> luckily, the angle I have of the window goes directly towards another building that is very close (20 feet) away, so the satellites can't see me. but if I peak my head around like this....... then they can see me.
[13:34] <brousch> reflections
[13:34] <brousch> they can take a 1" reflection of you from a window across the street and watch. don't you watch CSI or NCIS?
[13:35] <greg-g> "enhance that image. enhance it again. and again. and again." Turning that 4 pixel area into the resolution of a widscreen LCD.
[13:39] <brousch> snap-l: how's natty treating you now that you've got a fresh install?
[13:42] <rick_h_> man, I am dragging today...ugh
[13:43] <rick_h_> snap-l: yea, we should do a lococast before you calm down too much :P
[13:53] <snap-l> Well, Natty is OK, but there's a lot of rough edges
[13:54] <snap-l> "As of today, we have killed 1.75 million files containing our client's content. #copyright www.piracypatrol.com"
[13:54] <snap-l> hopefully they got some of the originals too
[13:55] <snap-l> I've had to change how I use my machine
[13:55] <snap-l> Oh, and upgrading? Yeah... I'd recommend not doing that.
[13:55] <snap-l> Reinstall
[13:56] <snap-l> At least, not if you're going from LTS to 11.04
[13:58] <rick_h_> that sounds so familiar
[14:00] <snap-l> I even went so far as to trash my home directory and just copy over what I needed
[14:00] <snap-l> though that's mostly because certain apps were acting wonky (banshee apparently doesn't behave well when you delete a bunch of files)
[14:00] <brousch> i love that armin ronacher (flask) is at djangocon europe. he is providing much material for me
[14:00] <snap-l> (who knew?)
[14:01] <snap-l> Ugh, it's already 86 in this room
[14:01] <rick_h_> ouch
[14:01] <snap-l> and it's not even 9am
[14:01] <brousch> AC
[14:02] <rick_h_> basement time here for sure
[14:02] <brousch> what are you, Dutch? turn on the air!
[14:02] <snap-l> brousch: Air is in... in the bedroom
[14:02] <snap-l> not the computer room. :)
[14:02] <rick_h_> laptops ftw
[14:03]  * rick_h_ is chillin in the recliner with pandora on the roku going
[14:03] <snap-l> you guys are just full of answers. ;)
[14:03] <snap-l> s/answers/shit/ ;)
[14:05] <brousch> i would not want to work from home without AC
[14:06] <rick_h_> tomorrow high 82
[14:06] <rick_h_> should be more reasonable
[14:06] <rick_h_> brousch: started to try to get to seattle
[14:06] <rick_h_> wife isn't warming up to it, but checked out and there's a google office hiring out there
[14:06] <rick_h_> more important to find work for her though
[14:07] <rick_h_> maybe I'd apply for those canonical jobs and do the fulltime remote again
[14:08] <brousch> i think there's a big software company in seattle
[14:08] <brousch> did you see if they're hiring?
[14:09] <rick_h_> man, good looking weekend coming
[14:09] <rick_h_> 71, 77, 75
[14:09] <brousch> rick_h_: i would also like to draw your attention to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco#Climate
[14:10] <rick_h_> I'm not cool enough to be in CA
[14:14] <snap-l> Good morning, Wolfger
[14:15]  * snap-l is glad he bought some CDs from Bandcamp, because unfortunately you can't re-download albums after a certain period
[14:16] <Wolfger> not really it isn't :-/
[14:16] <Wolfger> but at least I'm back in the good ol' USA :-)
[14:36] <jjesse> anyone play with google music yet?  trying to understand why i would want google music instead of amazon music
[14:37] <rick_h_> jjesse: nope, no interest. Can't buy music so not interested
[14:37] <jjesse> theres some free music to start you out with that you can stream, then you upload all your music to them
[14:37] <jjesse> and i doubt there is a *nix friendly version of the uploaded
[14:38] <jjesse> uploader
[14:38] <snap-l> I guess my big question about that is since I rip to FLAC, how much space is available?
[14:38] <rick_h_> there was a ppa of a wine packaged uploader
[14:38] <snap-l> and does it support FLAC?
[14:38] <rick_h_> 20k songs
[14:38] <rick_h_> not sure on flac
[14:38] <jjesse> but if i buy an album w/ amazon i get 20gigs of cloud storage for amazon  music
[14:38] <rick_h_> right, but that's not promised for next year
[14:39] <rick_h_> coule be initial offer, but who knows
[14:41] <jjesse> so i upload my music to either google/amazon/apple or Ubuntu One
[14:42] <rick_h_> yes
[14:42] <rick_h_> but apple doesn't have streaming
[14:42] <rick_h_> it does 'sycning'
[14:42] <rick_h_> http://download.cnet.com/8301-2007_4-20069418-12.html
[14:47] <brousch> snap-l: looks like natty's not the only problem upgrade: mitsuhiko 9:34am via Echofon: When upgrading to iOS5, make sure to do backups. Lost a month of contact's worth
[14:47] <snap-l> Oh that's brilliant
[15:16] <greg-g> gamerchick02: dude, totally do an Ubuntu Hour up there with Matt!
[15:16] <snap-l> gamerchick02: Also, congrats on the interview!
[15:17] <greg-g> yeah, ditto on that too
[15:17] <rick_h_> madison heights eh? That's awful close to CHC land :)
[15:17] <snap-l> I wish bands would make it easier for me to give them money for their album
[15:17] <snap-l> Trying to find a link, download, or God-knows-what for MIND:|:SHREDDER
[15:18] <gamerchick02> :)
[15:18] <gamerchick02> thanks!
[15:18] <gamerchick02> AND, my internet was turned ON this morning!!!
[15:18] <gamerchick02> *happydance*
[15:18] <gamerchick02> *boogie down*
[15:18] <gamerchick02> CHC, rick_h_?
[15:18] <snap-l> gamerchick02: What the hell was with that?
[15:19] <greg-g> CHC == CoffeeHouseCoders
[15:19] <snap-l> I've never heard of an ISP taking 12 days to get internet reconnected.
[15:19] <rick_h_> coffeehousecoders
[15:19] <gamerchick02> AT&T shut off our phone for no reason
[15:19] <gamerchick02> earthlink shut off our internet due to no dialtone
[15:19] <rick_h_> sorry, UH:CHC now
[15:19] <gamerchick02> earthlink has been trying to get us back online, but AT&T was blocking their setup.
[15:19] <greg-g> lame
[15:20] <gamerchick02> i think my friend Zack talked to his sister, she kicked some union ass, and they put the order through
[15:20] <gamerchick02> because Earthlink has to get AT&T to release the line for DSL
[15:20] <gamerchick02> Zack's sister works for AT&T.
[15:20] <gamerchick02> thanks, greg-g and rick_h_.
[15:20] <gamerchick02> CHC would be fun to attend
[15:25] <rick_h_> good interview: http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/2011/06/07/whats-your-start-up-bus-count-7-myths-of-entrepreneurship-and-programming/
[15:29] <gamerchick02> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/06/system76-serval-professional-review massive review from the OMG!Ubuntu guys of the Serval Pro. not sure if everyone has seen this or not already. i'm a little late. *ahem*
[15:31] <greg-g> rick_h_: I like it
[15:32] <gamerchick02> the interview or the review, greg-g?
[15:37] <greg-g> the interview
[15:38] <gamerchick02> oh. i'm catching up on articles that i haven't had a chance to read. i'll get to it...
[15:39] <brousch> what's the correct way to check if a list has something at a certain index? if list[2]: do_stuff
[15:40] <brousch> that gives a key error if the index doesn't exist. do i really have to wrap this in a try except?
[15:40] <rick_h_> if len(list) >= X?
[15:41] <brousch> well, i'm actually grabbing from the end of the list
[15:41] <snap-l> try: except?
[15:41] <rick_h_> huh? they're sequential
[15:41] <snap-l> Do you care what the index is?
[15:41] <rick_h_> the list is either longer than your idx or not
[15:41] <snap-l> or just the contents of the end of the list?
[15:41] <brousch> i have a list and want the last 3 items, but sometimes there's only 1 item in the list
[15:41] <snap-l> I'd use pop
[15:41] <snap-l> with a try / except
[15:41] <rick_h_> if len(list) >= abs(idx)
[15:42] <rick_h_> if you're doing idx == -3 or someting
[15:43] <brousch> ah, i see
[15:43] <brousch> getting them from the end was messing with my head
[15:43] <rick_h_> cool
[15:44] <snap-l> Are you treating this like a queue?
[15:44] <snap-l> or a stack?
[15:48] <brousch> a list
[15:48] <brousch> appending items to it, but not really removing them
[15:48] <rick_h_> lol
[15:49] <rick_h_> using a list as a list?! how dare you!
[15:49] <brousch> i realized my data is so small i can stick it in a list instead of a real database
[15:49] <snap-l> why not use append?
[15:49] <brousch> i do use append
[15:50] <snap-l> OK...
[15:50] <brousch> but i really only care about the 3 newest ones
[15:50] <brousch> until one of them goes bad, then i'll remove it
[15:51] <snap-l> Ah, OK
[15:52] <snap-l> Whenever I see something where someone is using the end of a list for something, I start wondering if they're trying to implement a stack or queue or ...
[15:52]  * snap-l better get out his "jump to conclusions mat"
[15:56] <snap-l> Anyone know of a way to get SoundJuicer / Banshee to do local lookups for CDDB?
[15:56] <gamerchick02> change the database location?
[16:42] <Wolfger> Sheesh... watch out for flying bears, now. http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/08/2-people-die-as-bear-flies-through-suv/?hpt=hp_t2
[16:46] <snap-l> OK< I did not see that coming.
[17:01] <binbrain> wolfger: I love that in the article they mentioned that no alcohol or drugs were involved
[17:04] <rick_h_> man, porting to postgrs is a lesson on the absolute crap sqlite/mysql let you get away with
[17:07] <brousch> it's not crap if it works. it's fertalizer!
[17:14] <Wolfger> binbrain: I'm wondering if they tested the bear...
[17:50] <snap-l> Why is MusicBrainz so impenetrable?
[18:01] <brousch> snap-l: the z on the end should have tipped you off
[18:10] <greg-g> have you ever met/seen the guy who started MusicBrainz?
[18:12] <greg-g> I'll let you guess which one of these Robert Kayes he is: http://images.google.com/search?tbm=isch&hl=en&source=hp&biw=1680&bih=962&q=Robert+Kaye
[18:14] <brousch> the one with the nice ass and the red skirt?
[18:28] <snap-l> I'm sure he's the one with the shaved head art
[18:28] <snap-l> I think it's a neat concept, but damn if it isn't frustrating as hell to get info in and or out of it
[18:29] <snap-l> doing my part by trying to update the indo
[18:29] <snap-l> info, even
[18:29] <snap-l> But it's a real hassle
[18:32] <snap-l> If Banshee doesn't have the right disc ID, it'll just bomb out
[18:33] <brousch> i think CHC/UH is about to fire up in GR
[18:33] <snap-l> even though all of the results are the same damn album from Picard.
[18:33] <brousch> jean luc?
[18:34] <snap-l> No, the music brainz lookup program
[18:34] <snap-l> Which, incidentally, is the only way to do any lookups of CD IDs
[18:39] <snap-l> But, I'm sure like most OSS things, my right to bitch is directly proportional to how far my sleeves are rolled up. :)
[18:52] <snap-l> ARGH! http://musicbrainz.org/cdtoc/cfw1kqALZW8hKA7bvh1womooApk-
[18:54] <snap-l> Something tells me Banshee can't handle multiple releases
[18:54] <brousch> what about it?
[19:34] <snap-l> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110531/00303814468/dubious-record-label-insists-it-has-patent-pending-method-to-guarantee-platinum-selling-album.shtml
[19:34] <snap-l> Wasn't the schmoo at CHC selling Zer01 VOIP?
[19:34] <snap-l> Or was that something else?
[19:35] <brousch> schmoo?
[19:36] <rick_h_> snap-l: no idea
[19:36] <rick_h_> I tried hard ot block it all out
[19:47] <brousch> rick_h_: you follow ossmichigan rss feed?
[19:47] <rick_h_> brousch: yea
[19:48] <brousch> hm, wait, these came from decafbad, isn't that snap-l?
[19:48] <rick_h_> no
[19:48] <rick_h_> lmorchord
[19:48] <brousch> a couple of old posts about delicious popped up there
[19:49] <rick_h_> https://twitter.com/#!/lmorchard
[19:49] <rick_h_> yea, he's the guy that gave me the massive.xml for testing
[19:49] <rick_h_> 16k bookmarks and 7k tags
[19:49] <brousch> ok
[19:53] <snap-l> Yeah, decafbad.com is lmorchard.
[19:53] <brousch> ignore me. he must've changed something so the ossmichigan planet reposted his stuff.
[19:54] <rick_h_> yea, he's been updating his block to jeckell
[19:54] <rick_h_> or whatever it is
[19:54] <brousch> these posts are from december
[21:19] <snap-l> OK, I have a quick quiz for everyone here
[21:19] <snap-l> this is a 30 second quiz. No fair googling
[21:19] <snap-l> 30 seconds begins after I post the question.
[21:19] <snap-l> ready?
[21:20] <snap-l> What's the command for the Disk Utility that ships with Ubuntu.
[21:20] <snap-l> Time's UP!
[21:20] <snap-l> Pencils down
[21:21] <snap-l> If you guessed palimpsest, you are correct.
[21:21] <Blazeix> I was going to guess 'du'...
[21:21] <Blazeix> or maybe df
[21:22] <snap-l> Well, considering those actually have "disk" somewhere in the name, that would make sense.
[21:22] <snap-l> "A palimpsest is a manuscript page from a scroll or book from which the text has been scraped off and which can be used again. "
[21:23] <Blazeix> alias blimpiset=palimpsest
[21:24] <snap-l> Now, granted, I do like it when a command teaches me something about the world we live in
[21:25] <snap-l> but not when I'm trying to figure out what said command is. ;)
[22:21] <rick_h_> snap-l: what happened to boabab?
[22:21] <rick_h_> I thoght that was the thing, hated that name as well
[23:12] <snap-l> byobu?
[23:16] <Blazeix> baobab, the disk usage gui
[23:21] <Lledargo> baobab appears to only be a disk analyzer, disk utility can mount, format, etc.
[23:29] <snap-l> Still a badly named utility.


[09:51] <zequence> OvenWerk1: Ah, I didn't realize it always shows. Yeah, we should look at hiding that
[18:50] <OvenWerk1> From another bug report the BT icon is at least supposed to "dim" or "grey" when turned off.
[19:26] <OvenWerk1> df
[19:26] <OvenWerk1> oops...
[20:28] <zequence> OvenWerk1: Ok, so the fault is not entirely ours then?
[20:29] <zequence> (or, mine - I added that stuff pretty late, out of worry that we wouldn't have bluethooths support)
[20:43] <zequence> This release is not really well off right now. Let's hope we can make 14.04.1 a better one
[20:51] <OvenWerk1> zequence: So far it is not bad. I do have a wish list :)
[20:51] <OvenWerk1> It would be nice to have two half backgrounds for use with dual monitors for example.
[20:52] <OvenWerk1> But a lot of stuff is out of our hands too. We are still dealing with the fall out of the gtk 2 -> 3 thing.
[20:53] <OvenWerk1> This looks to be a long term thing and there is also an underlying move to qt in some places as well.
[20:54] <OvenWerk1> though for us that will make less of a difference. Ardour is gtk,,, gimp etc. We have the qt (and kde) libs anyway.
[20:57] <zequence> I don't think we should be worrying too much about the graphical libs used. Just to make sure anything works
[20:57] <zequence> i tend to use Gnome myself, but I don't really want to push one or the other on our users. What we should focus on is multimedia content production
[20:58] <OvenWerk1> Ya, what I am saying is that we can't do much about the desktop itself, but just make sure the apps work.
[20:58] <zequence> Yep
[20:58] <OvenWerk1> I haven't tried them all, but so far I have had a good experience.
[20:59] <zequence> What I would mostly want to focus on is making us as DE agnostic as possible.
[20:59] <OvenWerk1> +1
[21:00] <zequence> We should start a discussion soon about the next cycle, and perhaps also the next two years
[21:01] <zequence> I feel we have not been able to deliver a lot to this release, which was my personal hope, which is why I'm devoted to make sure 16.04 becomes a great release instead
[21:01] <OvenWerk1> In the next two years it looks like ubuntu (and Dedian) are going through the switch to systemd. This makes me wonder what is going to happen with MIR or wayland.
[21:02] <zequence> that is an interesting turn :)
[21:02] <OvenWerk1> I hope these things don't directly affect us too much, but it will make worth while to keep 14.04 up to date
[21:03] <zequence> Yes, and it would be good for us to learn how to maintain a release, and also refresh it with updates
[21:03] <zequence> Not just security wise, or fixing bugas
[21:03] <zequence> bugs*
[21:05] <zequence> I'm going to return to an old movie classic for a while. After easter, I really want us to start talking about the future, and what we should do. No, also, since we have an olde developer ( stochastic  ) back with us
[21:06] <zequence> replace no with now :)
[21:06] <OvenWerk1> Ya, he sounds like he has more assets with code than most of us (certainly me anyway)
[21:24] <OvenWerk1> Interesting, It seems pulse works best through jack with 2048 frames.
[21:24] <OvenWerk1> The desktop apps seem to expect the extra latency
[21:26] <OvenWerk1> In videos (where it matters) it seems to be about the best match timing wise.
[21:33] <OvenWerk1> Probably for piping skype into a live situation 512 is about right though. 128 is probably about minimum.


[09:56] <noodles775> henninge: I've just reviewed jtv's work on the specificationtarget-assignments.pt, can you take a look and see if you agree?
[09:56] <noodles775> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jtv/launchpad/mechanical-specificationtarget-assignments/+merge/12203
[09:57] <noodles775> He'll be needing the same menu/portlet that you're currently doing, so it might be easiest for you just to merge his branch and do the small update to the template to ensure it's consistent.
[09:57] <noodles775> Then you guys will only need one rc too.
[10:19] <henninge> jtv: are you back?
[10:19] <jtv> henninge: yes
[10:19] <henninge> jtv: did you read noodles review?
[10:19] <jtv> henninge: not yet, no
[10:20] <henninge> jtv: I am working on the menus for hasspeci...
[10:20] <jtv> henninge: then michael's suggestion makes sense
[10:20] <henninge> jtv: he suggests I merge your branch
[10:20] <henninge> noodles775: still, I cannot get the global actions to work ...
[10:21] <jtv> henninge: shall I just fix up the things he remarked on, and then ping you so you can merge?
[10:21] <noodles775> henninge: did you take a look at the mp I linked? If it's still not working push it and I'll take a look.
[10:21] <henninge> jtv: yes, please
[10:21] <henninge> noodles775: I did.
[10:26] <jtv> henninge: I ran mine through EC2, so should be okay.  Feel free to merge now.
[10:26] <henninge> jtv: ok
[10:27] <jtv> noodles775: thanks for a understanding and constructive review.  :)
[10:27] <noodles775> jtv: np!
[10:30] <allenap> gmb: Are you OCR today? Cause I've got a nice RC candidate for you :)
[10:32] <gmb> allenap: Yep.
[10:32] <gmb> Goferit
[10:33] <allenap> gmb: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~allenap/launchpad/convert-blueprints-bug-434056/+merge/12210
[10:33] <allenap> gmb: Thanks.
[10:34] <gmb> jtv: Do you have a branch in the queue or is that reference stale?
[10:34] <gmb> That answers that question then :)
[10:34] <jtv> gmb: I have another one, but the reference was for an older one.
[10:34] <noodles775> gmb: sorry, didn't see your question - just theh topic ;)
[10:34] <jtv> Sorry, for another one
[10:36] <gmb> allenap: Can you file a bug for the SpecificationGoalDecideView tests please? We should probably, like, write some.
[10:36] <gmb> jtv: Understood.
[10:37] <allenap> gmb: Heh, you professional you.
[10:37] <gmb> Oh, is that what it is? Hmm.
[10:38] <gmb> allenap: I hereby grant you Instant Hero status for getting rid of SpecificationFeedbackClearingView.process_form()
[10:39] <allenap> gmb: Cool. It's so old I didn't know how it worked.
[10:39] <gmb> allenap: Everything looks fine. r=me. Nice job!
[10:40] <allenap> gmb: Thanks!
[10:40] <allenap> gmb: Fwiw, bug 434555 is the SFDV-tests-pls bug.
[10:40] <mup> Bug #434555: SpecificationGoalDecideView is not tested <Launchpad Blueprints:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/434555>
[10:41] <gmb> Okiedoke.
[11:17] <noodles775> gmb: I've got a small MP which should hit your inbox any minute, for when you've time.
[11:17] <gmb> noodles775: Sure, I'll look shortly.
[11:31] <gmb> noodles775: Can you give me a link to the mp? It's not showing up in my inbox.
[11:33] <noodles775> gmb: https://code.launchpad.net/~michael.nelson/launchpad/missing-distro-ppas-heading/+merge/12211
[11:35] <gmb> Ta
[11:37] <gmb> noodles775: Looks good. r=me
[11:37] <noodles775> gmb: great, thanks.
[11:51] <bac> noodles775: rc=bac
[11:51] <noodles775> bac: great, thanks.
[12:08] <intellectronica> gmb: i've got a branch for you. pretty simple stuff
[12:08] <gmb> intellectronica: Sure, diff me.
[12:09] <intellectronica> gmb: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~intellectronica/launchpad/webkit-ajax-disables/+merge/12215 http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/275790/
[12:12] <gmb> intellectronica: Looks good. r=me.
[12:12] <intellectronica> gmb: thanks for a speedy review!
[12:12] <gmb> intellectronica: I seem to be good at diffs today. I wonder if htat means I'll suck at Python...
[12:13] <bac> gmb: please leave RC candidate MPs in 'Needs Review' and remind the dev to add a 'release-critical' request so the MP workflow works.
[12:13] <intellectronica> bac: i just made such a request
[12:13] <gmb> bac: Okay, duly noted.
[12:13] <bac> intellectronica: cool
[12:13] <bac> thanks graham
[12:13] <gmb> noodles775, allenap ^^ please do the above if you haven't already.
[12:13] <intellectronica> bac: i'm sure that as a safari user you'll be glad to approve it :)
[12:13]  * bac looks!
[12:13] <allenap> gmb: Thanks, done.
[12:13] <bac> intellectronica: is it our ugly red error box?
[12:14] <noodles775> gmb: yep, done. Thanks.
[12:15] <intellectronica> bac: not quite. the ugly red error box is a fairly complicated bug to do with the interaction of webkit and lazr.restful, and i don't feel that i can cover it for r-c. for now i just made the controls usable in webkit by navigating to the boomerang form. i'll ask leonard for help fixing the real bug later on
[12:15] <intellectronica> bac: there's also a fix to make editing duplicates in webkit work in that branch
[12:15] <bac> intellectronica: got it
[12:20]  * gmb -> lunch
[12:43] <bac> intellectronica: why did you disable the ajax assignee for webkit?  i never had a problem with that
[12:44] <intellectronica> bac: i thought it has the same problem as the product ajax control. if it doesn't then i can revert that. let me validate
[12:44] <bac> intellectronica: also, on your branch i went to https://bugs.launchpad.dev/firefox/+bug/5 and tried to make it a duplicate of bug 1
[12:44] <mup> Bug #1: Microsoft has a majority market share <ubuntu> <Clubdistro:Confirmed> <Computer Science Ubuntu:Confirmed for compscibuntu-bugs> <Ichthux:Confirmed for raphink> <JAK LINUX:Confirmed> <Linux Mint:Won't Fix> <OpenOffice:Confirmed for lh-maviya> <Launchpad Translations:Invalid> <Tabuntu:Confirmed for tinarussell> <Ubuntu:In Progress> <bum (Ubuntu):Invalid> <casper (Ubuntu):Invalid> <djplay (Ubuntu):Invalid> <firefox (Ubuntu):Invalid> <u
[12:45] <bac> i got an error popup that had an embedded traceback.
[12:45] <bac> intellectronica: i'm sure that isn't due to your fix but can you try to replicate that?
[12:46] <intellectronica> bac: you're right about the assignee. i'll revert that change
[12:46] <bac> intellectronica: cool
[12:48] <intellectronica> bac: the error you're seeing is an error from the server that you can't mark the bug as a duplicate because it's a duplicate itself. that's a terrible way of showing that error, but fixing that is out of scope for an r-c
[12:49] <bac> intellectronica: i guess the traceback will either only be shown on lp.dev or only to lp developers on lp.net
[12:49] <intellectronica> bac: i've reverted the change to the assignee field. see http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/275807/
[12:49] <bac> intellectronica: cool
[12:50] <intellectronica> bac: yes, the error itself is just the stuff you see at the top
[12:50] <bac> intellectronica: can you confirm for me that a normal user on lp.net doesn't get the embedded traceback?  i believe us but i'd like to see proof.
[12:50] <bac> intellectronica: marking your MP rc=bac
[12:51] <intellectronica> bac: thanks
[13:39] <gmb> bigjools-lunch: You might want to check that you don't have some massive collisions with allenap's blueprint template conversions.
[13:40] <allenap> gmb: We've had words :)
[13:40] <gmb> Ah, okay.
[13:40] <gmb> As long as it not go boom on merge.
[13:44] <intellectronica> gmb: can you review another tiny branch?
[13:44] <gmb> intellectronica: Sure, stick it on the queue and I'll take a look when I've finished with bigjools-lunch's branch
[13:46] <intellectronica> let me see if anyone else can do it earlier. it's only 36 lines with context
[13:46] <intellectronica> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/275836/
[13:46] <intellectronica> allenap: maybe you can take a look? ^^^
[13:46] <allenap> intellectronica: Sure.
[13:46] <intellectronica> thanks
[13:46] <allenap> intellectronica: What does it do?
[13:46] <intellectronica> allenap: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~intellectronica/launchpad/tags-cloud-improvement/+merge/12220
[13:47] <intellectronica> allenap: it makes it so that the tags portlet only shows official tags and the ten most popular unofficial ones, like it used to be
[13:53] <intellectronica> allenap: so, what do you think?
[13:53] <gmb> bigjools-lunch: Your branch looks good. Please file an rc request if this is an RC candidate. r=me.
[13:54] <allenap> intellectronica: I was just finishing off an email, looking now.
[13:58] <bigjools> gmb: ta very much
[13:59] <bigjools> gmb: the only gotcha is that I know it will conflict with allenap's branch, but the changes are tiny, I don't think they need re-reviewing.
[14:05] <intellectronica> allenap: any luck with my patch? it's tiny
[14:06] <allenap> intellectronica: I know, but I have some questions about it. I'm writing a very quick review.
[14:06] <intellectronica> why don't you just ask me the questions?
[14:15] <intellectronica> wow, half hour for a review of one little display method
[14:16] <intellectronica> allenap: i'm going to get something to eat. hopefully when i'm back you can let me know whether my patch is ok and if not what questions you have about it?
[14:17] <bac> allenap: 1 rc, 1 not rc.  thanks for the work on both.
[14:18] <allenap> bac: Thanks, cool
[14:21] <gmb> bigjools: Righto; if it's just for conflict resolution purposes I'm not that concerned.
[14:45] <bac> bigjools: rc approved with one minor fix
[14:46] <bac> bigjools: and one optional fix
[14:46] <bigjools> bac: ok - you are thorough :)
[14:50] <bigjools> allenap: do you have a special commit message you want me to use when I land your branch?
[14:50] <bigjools> you got it rc-ed right?
[14:50] <allenap> bigjools: Yes. "I am allenap's bitch".
[14:51] <bigjools> :)
[14:51] <allenap> bigjools: That's a no :)
[14:51]  * bigjools goes prone
[14:51] <allenap> bigjools: Thanks!
[14:51] <cprov> gmb: I have an RC candidate, can you review it ?
[14:52] <intellectronica> allenap: thanks for the review. i'll change the name of the array of dicts to indicate what it contains. i'm not concerned about performance in this case and there's no point using a generator expression instead of a list if you're going to iterate over it immediately
[14:52] <allenap> intellectronica: Okay, cool.
[14:54] <gmb> cprov: Sure
[14:54] <gmb> cprov: Is there an MP?
[14:55] <cprov> gmb: thx, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~cprov/launchpad/soyuz-missing-heading/+merge/12226
[14:55]  * gmb looks
[14:57] <cprov> gmb: I have to go afk for a bit, please add your comments to the MP I will address then when I'm back
[14:57] <gmb> cprov: Ok.
[14:57] <cprov> gmb: the branch is already playing on ec2,  just in case it breaks other tests.
[14:58] <bac> cprov: please add your r-c request to the MP before you go
[14:58] <cprov> bac: ehe, already done ;)
[14:58] <bac> sweet
[14:58] <intellectronica> bac: hi, i've asked for https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~intellectronica/launchpad/tags-cloud-improvement/+merge/12220 to be considered for release-critical. it's not really a blocker but it's a very simple fix and we'd really like to have it as part of 3.0
[14:58] <cprov> bac: it's a little big for a RC, but let me know what you think
[15:02] <bac> intellectronica: ok, i'll look
[15:05] <bac> deryck: in your new milestone portlet the counts are not right-aligned.   looking at https://bugs.launchpad.dev/debian/+bugs the counts for the three different portlets are all over the place, though internally consistent.  ideas?
[15:05] <deryck> bac, on phone, just a moment
[15:05] <deryck> bac, sorry
[15:05] <bac> np
[15:26] <bac> intellectronica: rc=bac, with mods
[15:26] <intellectronica> bac: thanks
[15:26] <bac> intellectronica: that's some action-packed code in a few lines!
[15:27] <intellectronica> heh, yes, it's easy to do long expressions with list comprehensions
[15:30] <gmb> cprov-afk: Your branch looks good to land. r=me.
[15:31] <bac> henninge: i am going to disapprove the r-c for jtv's MP since you will be doing a combined landing.  i like his change but an RC is not appropriate.
[15:31] <henninge> bac: ok
[15:31] <henninge> bac: I am currently struggling with some stray changes in my branch.
[15:32] <henninge> dunno were they came from. they are in answers.
[15:32] <bac> noodles775: will you mark your review of https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jtv/launchpad/mechanical-specificationtarget-assignments/+merge/12203 as approved per jtv's changes, if you agree.
[15:33] <noodles775> bac: Done.
[15:34] <bac> noodles775: thanks
[15:36] <bac> thanks cprov-afk
[15:39] <deryck> bac, concerning the alignment issue, the problem is because the portlets use table cells, and the filters have long word to push the number cell far to the right.
[15:40] <deryck> bac, the fix requires either making the number cell a fixed width, which I don't particularly like, or converting to not use tables and float the number, which is a lot of templates to touch.
[15:40] <deryck> bac, but this is a problem regardless of my fix to add a milestone links portlet.
[15:51] <bac> deryck: thanks for the explanation.  we can fix them together later
[15:52] <deryck> bac, ok.  so rc on this branch is ok?  Or wait for it to land?
[15:52] <bac> deryck: rc=bac
[15:52] <deryck> bac, awesome,thanks!
[15:59] <mrevell> gmb: Fancy a review? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~matthew.revell/launchpad/3.0-tour-images/+merge/12174
[16:02] <gmb> mrevell: Sure, I'll take a look in five minutes or so.
[16:07] <gmb> mrevell: Looks fine to me... I see that bac has already r-c'd this, so go ahead and land it :)
[16:08] <mrevell> thanks gmb
[16:40] <cprov-afk> gmb, bac:  thanks for your review
[16:40] <bac> cprov-afk: np, thanks for the branch
[16:42] <allenap> gmb: Are you accepting new reviews? Specifically, reviews for external bug tracker fixes? Like https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~allenap/launchpad/external-bugzilla-3.4-api-bug-434580/+merge/12230
[16:43] <gmb> allenap: I think I might :0
[16:43] <gmb> :) even.
[16:43]  * gmb waits for the diff to generate.
[16:44] <henninge> gmb: I appended my branch, too, but maybe I can get noodles775 to do it.
[16:45] <henninge> noodles775: do you have time to review my branch, seeing that you were involved earlier?
[16:45] <henninge> bac: my branch is up for review now. Sorry, that took much longer.
[16:46] <henninge> bac: I had to clean up some mess in the branch. I will eventually submit through ec2 because now I am not sure *what* I was testing there ... :(
[16:46] <bac> henninge: ok.  i'll look now
[16:47] <intellectronica> hey henninge, want to review a tiny fix i want to r-c while you wait?
[16:47] <henninge> intellectronica: like a snack? sure!
[16:47] <bac> henninge: you need to get a code review first
[16:47] <gmb> allenap: that looks perfic. r=me. Thanks!
[16:47] <bac> henninge: ah, i see you're in the queue
[16:47] <henninge> bac: I know, sorry to have been unclear ...
[16:47] <allenap> gmb: Splendid, thanks!
[16:48] <gmb> allenap: Please to be doing the rc dance :)
[16:48] <henninge> gmb: that was quick ;) looks like noodles775 is gone ...
[16:48] <intellectronica> henninge: lovely. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/275928/ fixes https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/434115 i'll create an mp for you now
[16:48] <mup> Bug #434115: ubuntu/series/+source/package/+filebug?no-redirect redirects any way <Launchpad Bugs:In Progress by intellectronica> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/434115>
[16:48] <gmb> henninge: Looking at yours now.
[16:48] <henninge> gmb: thanks a lot!
[16:49] <gmb> henninge: Or I would... can you give me the URL of the MP please? (Yes, that's lazy of me)
[16:49] <henninge> gmb: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~henninge/launchpad/bug-434055-combined/+merge/12229
[16:49] <gmb> Ta
[16:52] <gmb> henninge: Don't the methods of HasSpecificationsMenuMixin need to be properties? (That's usually the case for no-arg methods called by templates).
[16:52] <gmb> henninge: Also, how much effort would it be to PEP8ify their names, e.g.: list_all, list_accepted, etc?
[16:57] <intellectronica> henninge: and here's the mp: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~intellectronica/launchpad/distroseries-source-package-filebug-no-redirect/+merge/12232
[16:57] <intellectronica> henninge: is the patch ok?
[16:58] <gmb> henninge: Otherwise the branch looks good. I'm not terribly worried about the PEP8 thing but I think that those methods should be properties.
[17:01] <henninge> gmb: let me look for those properties ...
[17:02] <henninge> gmb: no, not properties, they are methods (at least on translation NavigationMenus)
[17:04] <henninge> gmb: changing the names now might break more tests. I have seen it when I changed 'addspec' to 'new' ... So I'd rather not.
[17:05] <gmb> henninge: Okay.
[17:06] <henninge> intellectronica: r=me
[17:06] <henninge> gmb: thanks
[17:06] <gmb> henninge: They are properties on other NavigationMenus
[17:06] <gmb> I think for consistency they should be here, too.
[17:06] <gmb> (Since anything that the template uses should be a property or an attribute, not a no-arg method)
[17:06] <intellectronica> henninge: thanks a bunch
[17:07] <gmb> henninge: So please add the @properties. Leave the renaming though.
[17:08] <gmb> henninge: r=me with that change.
[17:08] <intellectronica> bac: i've requested your consideration of https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~intellectronica/launchpad/distroseries-source-package-filebug-no-redirect/+merge/12232 for release-critical. it's a blocker for us
[17:10] <bac> intellectronica: no test?
[17:12] <intellectronica> bac: i guess i can try and add a test, but i'm not really sure how. i don't think it will work with the test browser, so i have to find out how to test it
[17:13] <henninge> gmb: I am sorry, but I have been doing some greping here and I cannot verify that statement. There are *some* methods marked as property but the bulk of them is not. or so it seems.
[17:13] <henninge> gmb: so are they all wrong? Just say it, I'll believe you .. ;-)
[17:14] <gmb> henninge: Hmm. Actually, you're right. I've mistaken a @property for a link in a NavigationMenu.
[17:14] <bac> intellectronica: can you puzzle over it for a timeboxed period and let me know?
[17:14] <gmb> henninge: So leave them as they are.. we can take this to the reviewers list. It's not relevant for RC>
[17:14] <intellectronica> bac: sure
[17:14] <henninge> gmb: ok, thanks. Sorry for being so stubborn ... ;)
[17:15] <gmb> henninge: Stubborn is good. It's how we make everyone else learn :).
[17:15] <henninge> ;-)
[17:17]  * gmb goes off-call
[17:18] <henninge> bac: code-review is done ;-)
[17:18] <henninge> bac: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~henninge/launchpad/bug-434055-combined/+merge/12229
[17:18] <bac> ok
[17:21] <mrevell> Anyone care to review a help update? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~matthew.revell/launchpad/home-page-staging-popup-help/+merge/12233
[17:24] <henninge> mrevell: me! me! me!
[17:24]  * henninge waits for diff to see how much it is ...
[17:24] <henninge> ;)
[17:29] <mrevell> :)
[17:32] <intellectronica> bac: turns out there's no problem whatsoever doing the test you requested with the test browser. see http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/275955/
[17:34] <mrevell> henninge: the diff's there. Want to do it? :)
[17:35] <bac> intellectronica: excellent
[17:37] <intellectronica> bac: are you happy for this branch to land for r-c with the addition of the patch?
[17:37] <intellectronica> of the test, that is
[17:38] <henninge> mrevell: sorry, distracted. looking now.
[17:38] <mrevell> danke
[17:39] <henninge> mrevell: is href="+help..." ok? or shouldn't it be href="/+help..." ?
[17:40] <mrevell> henninge: Yes, probably. I'll fix that.
[17:41] <henninge> mrevell: you are saying "What is staging?" but never mention the term before that.
[17:42] <henninge> Maybe it should be  "... in our staging environment. (What is staging?)" ?
[17:42] <mrevell> henninge: Hmm, yes. I misread "sandbox" for staging. Will fix that too.
[17:42] <allenap> beuno: Can you review a download icon fix? You've done some work on this previously so you've got context. https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~allenap/launchpad/remove-too-many-download-icons-bug-423105/+merge/12237
[17:43] <henninge> mrevell: don't we do tests for help pop-ups?
[17:43] <mrevell> henninge: Not AFAIK
[17:43] <henninge> mrevell: ok ... ;)
[17:43] <henninge> mrevell: r=me with the discussed changes  ;-)
[17:43] <bac> intellectronica: yes.  i'll update the MP
[17:43] <mrevell> henninge: Does that mean you'd like to see a test? :)
[17:43] <beuno> allenap, yes
[17:44] <henninge> mrevell: having a test is always better but if we don't have examples of how to test that, I think it's too much work atm.
[17:44] <mrevell> henninge: Okay, thanks.
[17:45] <henninge> mrevell: maybe file a bug like "Help pop-ups should have tests." ?
[17:45] <mrevell> henninge: Okay, will do
[17:45] <beuno> allenap, approved. I know I can't *really* approve code, but, well, you know.
[17:45] <allenap> beuno: Oh, go on :) Thanks!
[17:46] <jml> allenap, I've done a code review.
[17:46] <allenap> Thanks jml!
[17:46] <mrevell> bac: I've requested your review but it wouldn't let me add "release-critical" ... am gonna see if it's a bug. It's for the "sandbox" help change on the front page. https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~matthew.revell/launchpad/home-page-staging-popup-help/+merge/12233
[17:47] <bac> mrevell: thanks
[17:53] <salgado> https://code.launchpad.net/~salgado/launchpad/bug-434349/+merge/12239
[17:54] <salgado> sinzui, do you have time to review ^ or should I try to find somebody else?  it's rather trivial
[17:54]  * sinzui looks
[17:56] <sinzui> salgado: r=me, no changes
[17:57] <salgado> thanks sinzui
[18:01] <bac> henninge: rc=bac
[18:02] <henninge> bac: cheers
[18:02] <henninge> just in time for me ... ;-)
[18:02] <bac> henninge: thanks for hanging around
[18:02] <henninge> bac: np, you have your hands full, I can see that. ;)
[18:05] <bac> hi mrevell-dinner
[18:11] <bac> mrevell-dinner: rc=bac
[18:16] <bac> allenap: thanks for waiting around.  rc=bac * 2
[18:26]  * bac grabbing some lunch.  RCs to flacoste for the next bit
[19:57] <gary_poster> bac, I have a branch that does not fix blueprints but fixes the other bits AFAIK: answers, bugs, code.  tests matching the pattern '[bB]read[cC]rumb' pass :-) .  ec2 is running tests now.  Can you review, or should you/I try to rustle up someone else?  https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~gary/launchpad/breadcrumbs/+merge/12246
[19:57] <bac> gary_poster: i'll do it
[19:58] <gary_poster> bac, thank you.  the diff is a bit longer than it needs to be because my editor decided to do some whitespace cleanup in the zcml
[19:58] <bac> gary_poster: good for your editor
[19:58] <gary_poster> :-)
[20:00] <bac> gary_poster: it's a very pretty diff
[20:01] <gary_poster> bac: a bit early for christmas, but red and green stripes are nicely complementary
[20:02] <bac> gary_poster: i understand why they had HasBranchesBreadcrumb.  you think standardizing on the rootsite name is better?
[20:03] <gary_poster> bac: I didn't understand and thought it was simply irregular.  Having regular names certainly helps with mass changes like this.  Why did they have the old name?  And/or, if you simply want me to change it back, just say so.
[20:04] <bac> gary_poster: no, the fix is more standard.  they could argue it is for IHasBranches so the old name is better
[20:04] <bac> gary_poster: approved as is.  if you're going through ec2 you'd best target it to db-devel
[20:05] <gary_poster> bac: thank you.  oh, good point.  /me CTRL-C's the current run...
[20:05] <bac> gary_poster: check to see that instance is killed!  ctl-c left me some zombies last week that were eating money
[20:05] <rockstar> Can I get a review from someone?
[20:05] <gary_poster> bac ack, thanks
[20:06] <bac> rockstar: yes
[20:06] <rockstar> bac, on its way.
[20:06] <bac> rockstar: rc candidate?
[20:07] <rockstar> bac, yea, it's the one you and thumper talked about last night.
[20:07] <bac> ok
[20:08] <gary_poster> bac: are you a ui reviewer too ([ui=bac]) or should I do a [ui=rs] or do something else?
[20:09] <bac> gary_poster: i am not a ui.  i'd do ui=rs
[20:09] <gary_poster> ok thanks
[21:39] <barry> gary_poster: rockstar flacoste abentley salgado anybody available a review of changes for bug 434761?  this is a redesign of the home page requested by beuno
[21:39] <mup> Bug #434761: Make the home page pretty <story-ui-3> <Launchpad Registry:In Progress by barry> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/434761>
[21:39] <rockstar> barry, sure.
[21:40] <barry> rockstar: cool, thanks.  i'll push up an mp for ya straight away
[21:40] <rockstar> barry, great.
[21:43] <barry> rockstar: i have a couple of test failures i need to investigate first...
[21:49] <bac> barry: do let me have a look after the code review.
[21:49] <barry> bac: oh, definitely
[21:49] <bac> barry: i was a bit ambigous earlier
[21:50] <barry> bac: do you want me to just request a release-critical review of the branch from you?
[22:04] <barry> rockstar: mp sent
[22:04] <rockstar> barry, ack
[22:12] <barry> rockstar: gah!  i think i spelled the reviewer request incorrectly
[22:12] <barry> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~barry/launchpad/434761-homepage/+merge/12252
[22:13] <rockstar> barry, yeah, was just about to say I hadn't seen it.
[22:13] <barry> rockstar: i'm requesting them old skool
[22:17] <barry> bac: beuno just gave me ui approval
[22:17] <bac> barry: great.  you know he's been drinking, though.
[22:17] <barry> :-D
[22:17]  * rockstar can also UI review
[22:17] <rockstar> :)
[22:18] <barry> rockstar: have you been drinking?
[22:18] <bac> grape nehi
[22:18] <rockstar> barry, only water, although I'm wondering if booze would give me my voice back.  :)
[22:18] <bac> rockstar: it's too bad you don't drink beer.  i like that Fat Tire you've got up there
[22:19] <rockstar> bac, everyone does.  :)  You need a sprint here if you really like beer.  #2 in the nation for microbrews next to Portland.
[22:19] <bac> nice
[22:19] <barry> rockstar: unfortunately i only request ui reviews from intoxicateds
[22:20] <bac> new belgium has *taken over*.  in a year they ramped up massive distribution
[22:20] <rockstar> Really?  I guess I never noticed since they are so big here.
[22:20] <rockstar> barry, r=me
[22:21] <barry> rockstar: thanks.  bac it's up to you now
[22:22] <bac> barry: land it, dano
[22:23] <bac> barry: i'd be remiss if i didn't remind you to point ec2 to db-devel
[22:23] <barry> bac: yes, i will land it through ec2.  do you remember the magic incantation to send it through db-devel?
[22:24] <bac> barry: check my email to lp-dev
[22:24] <barry> bac: +1 (been under an email blizzard)
[22:25] <barry> bac: got it
[22:25] <bac> barry: props to gary for the magic
[22:25] <gary_poster> heh


[20:29] <j1mc> mdke: do you have access to the mailing list? one of my posts (maybe two of them?) are held in the queue for being slightly too many bytes.


[13:18] <AnAnt> Hello, I got a problem with a java package
[13:19] <AnAnt> when I build it using pbuilder it behaves in different manner than when build using dpkg-buildpackage !
[13:46] <man-di> probably missing build dependencies
[13:46] <man-di> or different java runtime
[13:46] <man-di> without knowing your error its hard to say
[13:47] <AnAnt> man-di: it has that search feature, when I use it , I get wierd looking ??? characters in search results
[13:48] <man-di> AnAnt: you are speaking in riddles
[13:49] <AnAnt> man-di: http://groups.google.com/group/zekr/attach/976554a0260c6743/Screenshot-Zekr.png?part=2
[13:53] <man-di> look at what packages really get used inside an outside of pbuilder
[13:54] <AnAnt> man-di: someone working with me on the package is trying to build against sun-java5 now instead of openjdk
[13:55] <AnAnt> man-di: ok, he just finished building, same problem
[13:59] <AnAnt> what do you mean ?
[19:38] <AnAnt> Hello, I'm making a package for swt3.4 (unstable release), problem is that it doesn't compile for 64-bit arch., here's the build log: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13967106/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-amd64.swt-gtk_3.4%7EM6-1%7Eppa3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz , can someone advise for the reason of this failure ?


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[04:43] <JonCruz> any photoshop users hanging around?
[04:45] <JonCruz> I'm tyring to implement management and conversions of gradient files, and want to be sure to do things in an artist-friendly manner
[09:41] <thorwil> good morning!
[09:53] <zniavre> good morning
[09:59] <zniavre> happy diwali all of you  :O)
[23:49] <angelo> Hi!
[23:49] <angelo> I'm new on ubuntu community
[23:49] <angelo> could i help?
[23:50] <ronnie_vd_c> of cource. Have you already subscribed to the mailinglist?
[23:51] <angelo> :-) thank you..... yeah, but when i want to access as a registered member there's some problem
[23:52] <angelo> now its the first time i use xchat for contact someone
[23:52] <ronnie_vd_c> your doing great :D
[23:53] <angelo> :-D
[23:53] <angelo> thank u!
[23:53] <ronnie_vd_c> on the mailinglist there are some items discussed. Help is needed for the new forum thema
[23:53] <angelo> ok
[23:53] <angelo> are u working in something about that?
[23:54] <ronnie_vd_c> the previous mails can be found here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2010-November/thread.html
[23:54] <angelo> :-) thank u! :-)
[23:54] <ronnie_vd_c> no, im pretty new here too ;)
[23:54] <angelo> ahah... ok!
[23:54] <angelo> :-D
[23:54] <angelo> so...... we could start together!
[23:54] <angelo> now i take a look at the link
[23:55] <ronnie_vd_c> angelo: but im currently working more as a programmer than a designer (new project for submitting artwork, which is meant to replace the wiki, because the markup and organization is too hard)
[23:59] <angelo> well, if i can help you, Ronnie, it would be a pleasure for me :-)
[23:59] <angelo> i just want to help someone in ubuntu community