[01:41] <blackotaku> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-mono/+bug/546477 - This bug should be set to Wishlist. It deals with the way the way the battery indicator depletes when discharging.
[01:41] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 546477 in ubuntu-mono (Ubuntu) "Battery level should deplete to the right (affects: 1)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[01:44] <charlie-tca> how about a comment? did you confirm it is in the wrong place?
[01:46] <charlie-tca> blackotaku: you could put in that you believe this is a good change to make based on practical use.
[01:47] <blackotaku> ok i will.
[01:48] <charlie-tca> thank you for helping
[01:49] <blackotaku> np
[06:27] <Damascene> hello
[06:27] <Damascene> bug 545459
[06:27] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 545459 in evolution (Ubuntu) "evolution new message is broken in Arabic locale (affects: 2)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/545459
[06:28] <Damascene> where is Pedro Villavicencio
[06:29] <Damascene> sending emails from e-mail client important is low?
[08:29] <marmuta> Hi, I'm constantly getting "Unexpected form data" in launchpad and nothing happens when filing bug reports or simply trying to log out.
[08:30] <vish> marmuta: #launchpad is a better channel for this problem
[08:31] <marmuta> ok, thanks
[08:31] <vish> np..
[08:53] <BUGabundo_remote> bom dia
[09:05] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_remote: are you using thunderbird-3.0?
[09:06] <BUGabundo_remote> nop
[09:06] <BUGabundo_remote> kmail and mutt
[09:11] <gnomefreak> oh
[09:12] <yofel> gnomefreak: I do (3.0.3~hg20100217r4732+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1)
[09:14] <gnomefreak> yofel: perfect let me grab the bug, hoping you can confirm
[09:16] <gnomefreak> yofel: bug 544187 please try to confirm/reproduce
[09:16] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 544187 in thunderbird (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Thunderbird 3.0 does not respect at least one setting (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/544187
[09:16]  * gnomefreak should change that summery
[09:19] <yofel> hm, lemme update first, seems they moved to the thunderbird package and abandoned -3.0
[09:25] <gnomefreak> yofel: yeah it was just a profile change once you imported old setting to new dir.
[09:26] <gnomefreak> yofel: latest daily thunderbird is 3.0.5~hg20100317r4793+nobinonly-0ubuntu2~umd4
[09:27] <yofel> yep, just installing
[09:27]  * gnomefreak be back in a few
[09:27] <gnomefreak> yofel: thanks
[09:34] <Damascene> bug 545459
[09:34] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 545459 in evolution (Ubuntu) "evolution new message is broken in Arabic locale (affects: 2)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/545459
[09:34] <Damascene> sending emails from e-mail client important is low?
[09:35] <gnomefreak> Damascene: depends on the bug. i dont have evo so i cant test
[09:35] <Damascene> what do you have instead
[09:36] <yofel> Damascene: the importance is decided by https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance please see there if you can argue for a higher importance
[09:36] <gnomefreak> Damascene: thunderbird 3
[09:36] <Damascene> ok, thank you
[09:37] <Kambanka> Ubuntu 10.04 has the titlebar buttons on the left - what were the designers thinking? And were they thinking at all!@#$
[09:39] <gnomefreak> http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/move-buttons-to-right-side
[09:39] <gnomefreak> oh hes gone
[09:45] <yofel> gnomefreak: tb does ask me to send the outbox here if I go online again after telling it to send the mail later.
[09:46] <gnomefreak> yofel: does it send the email?
[09:46] <yofel> it does
[09:46] <gnomefreak> yofel: ok thanks
[09:49] <Damascene> who can change the important now?
[09:49] <Damascene> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/545459
[09:49] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 545459 in evolution (Ubuntu) "evolution new message is broken in Arabic locale (affects: 2)" [Low,New]
[09:51] <yofel> Damascene: ok, what importance do you thing it should be? (also you might want for pedro to join and ask him directly why he set it low)
[09:51] <yofel> *want to wait
[09:52] <Damascene> I want him to join. but how to?
[09:52] <yofel> Damascene: like I corrected, wait for him, I'm not sure what time zone he lives in
[09:53] <Damascene> so he used to come here, right?
[09:57] <yofel> Damascene: he's usually in here every day, (pedro_ usually).
[09:57] <yofel> hm, seems like he lives in chile, guess he's asleep
[10:02] <Damascene> thank you yofel
[10:03] <yofel> you're welcome
[10:31] <Damascene> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports shows old link
[10:31] <Damascene> under -Proposed
[10:32] <Damascene> Backports bugtracker https://launchpad.net/intrepid-backports/+filebug
[11:22] <jeanfi> Hello, I have opened 2 bugs which I no more reproduce since the lucid beta1. I guess the bugs should be closed but other people declare to be impacted by the bug without mentionning if it is before or after beta
[11:22] <jeanfi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/539402 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/util-linux/+bug/539398
[11:22] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 539402 in udev (Ubuntu) "does not terminate at computer shutdown (affects: 7)" [Undecided,New]
[11:28] <yofel> bug 539398
[11:28] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 539398 in util-linux (Ubuntu) "does not terminate at computer shutdown (affects: 24)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/539398
[12:47] <kamusin> :)
[13:05] <BUGabundo_remote> FOOOO
[13:06] <nigel_nb> bar?
[13:14] <charlie-tca> Hello, BUGabundo_remote
[13:41] <BUGabundo_remote> hey charlie-tca
[13:49] <pedro_> dpm, hey, have a minute? does bug 542704 looks to you like a valid ubuntu-translations tasks?
[13:49] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 542704 in checkbox (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Test selector screen is not wide enough for 4 buttons (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/542704
[13:50] <dpm> pedro_, sure, looking...
[13:50] <pedro_> dpm, seems that the problem is just checkbox in that case
[13:50] <dpm> we'll have to beat cr3
[13:50] <pedro_> there's no code to touch on the translations side afaik
[13:50] <pedro_> dpm, cool! i'll assign the bug to him ;-)
[13:51] <dpm> :)
[13:52] <dpm> pedro_, yeah, I think it's a valid translations task. kelemengabor filed it, and he knows translations :)
[13:53] <pedro_> dpm, so just leave it open for keep tracking of it?
[13:54] <dpm> pedro_, we normally mark them as triaged them to keep track of such tasks, and let the developers fix them or nag them after a while :) Sometimes translations people also provide patches and close the translations task for themselves
[13:55] <pedro_> dpm, ok will mark it as such then, thanks!
[13:55] <dpm> cool
[14:06] <pedro_> thekorn, hello are you there? it seems that hugday init doesn't work anymore at least with cookies
[14:07] <pedro_> thekorn, we're getting an error : TypeError: Error while trying to read cookie in sql format, cannot handle format of '/home/pedro/.mozilla/firefox/s0k7zod7.default/cookies.sqlite'
[14:07] <pedro_> thekorn, and dpm is getting the same error there
[14:07] <yofel> firefox running maybe?
[14:07] <dpm> with wiki-id seems to work
[14:09] <pedro_> closing firefox seems to work, weird that there's no notes of that on the tool page
[14:09] <pedro_> dpm, works fine for you if you close firefox?
[14:10] <dpm> oh, let me try in a minute, I've got way too many tabs and windows open :)
[14:11] <yofel> pedro_: there is a note about closing mozilla in the cookie instructions
[14:12] <pedro_> i'll put that in bold and big ;-)
[14:27] <dpm> pedro_, in your experience with patches, what do you think devs prefer, patches, a branch + merge proposal, or it doesn't matter? I'd think branch + MP, but before recommending any approach to people, I'd prefer asking the experts :)
[14:28] <pedro_> dpm, i'd ask the maintainers directly on what's their preference ;-)
[14:28] <dpm> ok :)
[14:29] <seb128> dpm, usually having a bug for desktop changes is better
[14:30] <seb128> dpm, otherwise it's likely we will not read the mp, dunno who receive those but not the maintainer often
[14:30] <seb128> dpm, ie we don't get notified about those
[14:30] <dpm> seb128, yeah, but I meant once you've got the bug, is there a preferred approach? Or everyone's different?
[14:30] <seb128> then the format of the change, debdiff or mp doesn't realy make a difference...
[14:30] <seb128> I think we lean toward the mp way
[14:31] <dpm> ok, thanks for the info, Seb
[14:31] <seb128> yw
[14:31] <kamusin> dpm, question: what status should I set for example for this bug 545095
[14:31] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 545095 in software-center (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 2 other projects) ""Featured Applications" untranslated and untranslatable (affects: 1)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/545095
[14:34] <kelemengabor> kamusin: the template is approved: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/software-center/+imports so I think we can say it is fix released
[14:34] <kamusin> for translations that are not released yet but are translated at LP
[14:34] <dpm> kamusin, I'd mark it as Fix Released as the bug itself. The main issue, it not being translatable has been fixed
[14:35] <dpm> the fact that translations are not there yet because they're waiting on the next language pack to be released, doesn't affect the bug
[14:36] <dpm> if translations are not loaded even after the new language packs containing them, then we'll have to file another bug :)
[14:36] <kamusin> dpm, right.. so these cases can be marked like Fix Released
[14:37] <dpm> yeah, I think so
[14:37] <kamusin> cool , thanks dpm :)
[14:51] <thekorn> pedro_: hi, I'm there now, do you have a running firefox instance?
[14:53] <pedro_> thekorn, all solved it was firefox, I've put a '''note''' in the wiki with bold and big ;-)
[14:55] <thekorn> okidoki
[14:56] <thekorn> btw, I think this is a bug in firefox, why should FF keep a sqlite connection open all the time?
[14:56] <thekorn> but this is a completely different question .... ;)
[15:18] <salty-horse> can anyone confirm this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/autoconf/+bug/546966
[15:18] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 546966 in autoconf (Ubuntu) "autoconf's "mktime" test gets stuck, takes too much CPU (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New]
[15:20] <bliss> i've experienced that, but it's only a few seconds, nothing impacting functionality
[15:21] <salty-horse> bliss, how many seconds?
[15:25] <bliss> probably 20-30
[15:28] <salty-horse> was it like that in karmic?
[15:28] <salty-horse> that's too much for a test that checks if a function works
[15:28] <salty-horse> I'm pretty sure it's a bug
[15:38] <bliss> yes, this is in karmic
[15:38] <bliss> if i recall, i can try again to make sure, i've been switching distros a lot lately for testing
[15:40] <bliss> seems to be intermittent, just did a mktime check that went instantly
[15:41] <bliss> in fact, i may be remembering incorrectly, it might have happened on a Debian system instead
[15:41] <salty-horse> oh well. I still think this is a problem
[15:41] <salty-horse> could you add a comment with the system you tested on?
[15:42] <salty-horse> oh it's here too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-4.3/+bug/323528
[15:42] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 323528 in gcc-4.3 (Ubuntu) "mktime bug back with gcc 4.3.2" [Undecided,Invalid]
[15:42] <bliss> indicating that i have a vague memory of this happening, but i can't remember which release or even distro it was on?  i think i'd rather wait until i have something more concrete
[15:42] <salty-horse> and http://tracker.xemacs.org/XEmacs/its/issue486
[15:43] <salty-horse> I wonder why searching for "mktime" didn't find that bug before :/
[15:44] <bliss> ah, reproduced, it happens when running the configure script for emacs
[15:44] <salty-horse> never mind, bliss. it's a dupe of that other lp bug I linked
[16:14] <nperry> bug 545209 Its been reported upstream, with all the required information, Shall i ask the OR for him to post in the lp bug?
[16:14] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 545209 in chromium-browser (Fluxbuntu) (and 2 other projects) "chromium-browser with gecko-mediaplayer hangs on KDE (affects: 1)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/545209
[16:26] <nigelb> bcurtiswx_laptop: can you add that the -1 is only for bug control and not bug squad?
[16:27] <nigelb> re: the application that you just responded to on M/L
[16:28] <bcurtiswx_laptop> nigelb: done.. thx
[16:28] <nigelb> np :)
[16:30] <nperry> Could somone wishlist bug 536768 please
[16:30] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 536768 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Poor error message when offline (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/536768
[16:40] <bcurtiswx_laptop> nperry: done
[16:51] <nperry> bcurtiswx_laptop: Could you do this one to if possible please, 528655 - Ive marked it upstream
[16:55] <bcurtiswx_laptop> nperry: ok done
[17:39] <vish> bcurtiswx_laptop: om26er is consistent atleast [+1ing BC application] as his triaging ;-)
[17:47] <bcurtiswx_laptop> vish: yeah.. i guess om26er should be my problem since he works on mostly empathy bugs with me
[17:48] <bcurtiswx_laptop> vish: i don't think seeing him on mailing list is a good reason to accept someone for triaging though..
[17:48] <vish> bcurtiswx_laptop:  i was being sarcastic ;p
[17:49] <bcurtiswx_laptop> vish: i know.. its just I should probably take responsibility of om26er as he still needs work
[17:50] <vish> bcurtiswx_laptop: i just wish he kept to empathy and bothered only you ;p
[17:52] <bcurtiswx_laptop> vish: thanks ... i appreciate it :P
[18:03] <vish> pedro_: hi :(    Bug #527569  again... the sigpipe gdb has a few "??" from libdbus and gnome-keyring , which i didnt have the debug symbols for :( , could we submit it upstream and then see if they need more info or do you want another one?
[18:03] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 527569 in evolution (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Evolution freezes often [evolution crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall() ] (affects: 2) (dups: 1)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/527569
[18:03] <pedro_> vish, looking
[18:09] <pedro_> vish, is missing some from dbus,g-k and e-dataserverui, but let the upstream developers to decide if it's good enough for them to work on the issue, otherwise just install libgnome-keyring0-dbgsym libdbus-1-3-dbgsym libedataserverui1.2-8-dbgsym
[18:10] <vish> pedro_: yeah , sure.. its just that the bug is random that it takes time to catch it ;)  we'll see what they say :)
[18:11] <pedro_> vish, yeah seems to be tricky to reproduce, better to send it and wait for feedback, thanks vish!
[18:11] <vish> pedro_: thanks
[18:41] <Sioux-33> hi after kernel update to <IP_ADDRESS> in ubuntu 9.10 mousse cursor disappear does anyone know why?
[18:43] <bcurtiswx_laptop> Sioux-33: join #ubuntu for support , this channel is more for discussing bug reports not potential bugs
[18:43] <Sioux-33> ok laptop
[19:21] <qense> OMG: 413 new bugs in network-manager
[19:21] <BUGabundo> 8|
[19:23] <qense> and then you thought you had it, but no! 240 new bugs against network-manager-applet!
[19:23] <qense> That needs a whole adoption army!
[19:28] <micahg> qense: I still have 2500 firefox bugs :)
[19:29] <qense> micahg: ouch!
[19:30] <qense> micahg: good luck, I hope you get them all done before the release of Lucid.
[19:30] <micahg> qense: ha!  I hope to get rid of a thousand by Lucid +1 :)
[19:30] <qense> :)
[19:30] <qense> That's a more realistic goal.
[19:30] <micahg> qense: I'm focusing on packages this cycle
[19:31] <qense> micahg: What packages?
[19:31] <micahg> qense: Mozilla stack and rdepends
[19:32] <qense> good
[19:38] <jeanfi> Hello, I have opened 2 bugs which I no more reproduce since the lucid beta1. I guess the bugs should be closed but other people declare to be impacted by the bug without mentioning if it is before or after beta, should I close the bugs or let the status as 'new'?
[19:42] <micahg> jeanfi: which bugs?
[19:43] <jeanfi> bug 539398
[19:43] <jeanfi> bug 539402
[19:43] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 539398 in util-linux (Ubuntu) "does not terminate at computer shutdown (affects: 24)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/539398
[19:43] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 539402 in udev (Ubuntu) "does not terminate at computer shutdown (affects: 7)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/539402
[19:48] <ruelle> i have upgraded to 10.4 and now my system is unusable. as long as i am in single user mode everything is fine. i even can run X and an xterm inside it. but when i switch to multiusermode, the keyboard, mouse and network are disabled. the only thing i can do then is shutting my computer down via acpi.
[19:49] <bcurtiswx_laptop> geez, i've started a friendly little debate on the bug control mailing list
[19:50] <bcurtiswx_laptop> bdmurray: have you been paying attention to the application responses so far?
[19:52] <jeanfi> ruelle, I believe the right irc canal for 10.04 support is #ubuntu+1
[19:53] <ruelle> jeanfi: maybe i should write a bug report. the guys in ubuntu+1 dont answer. but how can i write a bug report via a browser.
[19:55] <kklimonda> how can I copy a short link to the bug from the Launchpad?
[19:56] <kklimonda> in the past I could copy the last segment of the breadcrumb but now it's unclickable
[19:56] <charlie-tca> ruelle: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing%20bugs%20at%20Launchpad.net
[20:26] <bcurtiswx_laptop> hggdh: may I PM you?
[20:53] <hggdh> bcurtiswx_laptop: of course


[00:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nautilus [source] (jammy-proposed) [1:42.2-0ubuntu1]
[01:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted apt [source] (focal-proposed) [2.0.9]
[01:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted sphinx-reredirects [amd64] (kinetic-proposed) [0.1.0+dfsg1-1]
[02:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted qemu [source] (focal-proposed) [1:4.2-3ubuntu6.22]
[09:28] <sil2100> rbasak: hey! I'll look into reviewing the snapd SRUs today, if anything, as those are needed for the UC22 release we're working on right now
[09:28] <sil2100> So just a heads-up
[09:40] <xnox> vorlon:  i hope we don't need qt on i386. i thought in the past something rather wanted it, like cmake? and then it spiralled into a massive chain of deps. Unless this has been resolved and we have gui-less cmake now.
[09:40] <xnox> on i386
[09:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: pulseaudio (focal-proposed/main) [1:13.99.1-1ubuntu3.13 => 1:13.99.1-1ubuntu3.14] (desktop-core, i386-whitelist, ubuntu-server)
[10:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted snapd [source] (jammy-proposed) [2.55.5+22.04]
[10:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted snapd [source] (impish-proposed) [2.55.5+21.10]
[10:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted snapd [source] (focal-proposed) [2.55.5+20.04]
[10:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted snapd [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.55.5+18.04]
[11:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: texlive-bin [i386] (kinetic-proposed/main) [2022.20220321.62855-3] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-desktop)
[11:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: texlive-bin [s390x] (kinetic-proposed/main) [2022.20220321.62855-3] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-desktop)
[11:32] <rbasak> sil2100: thank you for checking in! There was no conflict - I've had various interrupts this morning :-/
[11:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: texlive-bin [amd64] (kinetic-proposed/main) [2022.20220321.62855-3] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-desktop)
[11:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: texlive-bin [ppc64el] (kinetic-proposed/main) [2022.20220321.62855-3] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-desktop)
[11:42] <seb128> sil2100, hey, anything we can do to move bug #1965901 forward? we have seen no report of regression from the staging period
[11:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: texlive-bin [armhf] (kinetic-proposed/main) [2022.20220321.62855-3] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-desktop)
[11:44] <sil2100> seb128: hey! Ah, yeah, wanted to consult this with someone first, because essentially this will regress users with locked radios (...but regress it with good intentions and 'needed')
[11:44] <sil2100> Let me think about it tomorrow during my SRU shift
[11:45] <seb128> sil2100, ok, oem team pinged me again about it. I agree with you on the regression, on the other side we need to consider the argument that the vendors are going to regress users anyway through firmware update and we need to address that problem also
[11:45] <seb128> I mean that's one of the reason for the update
[11:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected cups [source] (focal-proposed) [2.3.1-9ubuntu1.2]
[11:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted php7.4 [source] (focal-proposed) [7.4.3-4ubuntu2.11]
[12:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libsdl2 [source] (jammy-proposed) [2.0.20+dfsg-2ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[12:06] <locutusofborg> please consider accepting virtualbox too ??
[12:08] <rbasak> Sorry I don't have very much time on my shift today. I'm just running through the quick and easy ones.
[12:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: texlive-bin [arm64] (kinetic-proposed/main) [2022.20220321.62855-3] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-desktop)
[12:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lvm2 [source] (focal-proposed) [2.03.07-1ubuntu1.1]
[12:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected gallery-dl [source] (jammy-backports) [1.21.2-1~bpo22.04.1]
[13:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted yt-dlp [source] (jammy-backports) [2022.05.18-1~bpo22.04.1]
[13:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gallery-dl [source] (jammy-backports) [1.22.0-1~bpo22.04.1]
[13:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected gallery-dl [source] (focal-backports) [1.21.2-1~bpo20.04.1]
[13:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted software-properties [source] (jammy-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>]
[13:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gallery-dl [source] (focal-backports) [1.22.0-1~bpo20.04.1]
[13:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted opencpn [source] (focal-backports) [5.6.2+dfsg-1~bpo20.04.1]
[13:41] <locutusofborg> seb128, I honestly don't understand the libsdl2 block proposed tag... is it something I should care?
[13:41] <locutusofborg> I did the testing and its good now
[13:46] <seb128> locutusofborg, ? there is no tag, it's waiting for autopkgtest results according to excuses
[13:47] <seb128> locutusofborg, if you are talking about the SRU bug #1976198 you need to ask rbasak since I don't understand his point
[13:48] <seb128> > I wonder though if we can stage it to bundle it with an update that directly impacts users
[13:48] <seb128> I would say that missing depends on a -dev impact users since it gives you a non working lib unless you figure out you need to install extra binaries the deb isn't pulling for you
[13:49] <seb128> I'm going to write that on the bug
[13:50] <locutusofborg> yes wrong ping sorry
[13:50] <seb128> np
[14:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted texlive-bin [amd64] (kinetic-proposed) [2022.20220321.62855-3]
[14:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted texlive-bin [armhf] (kinetic-proposed) [2022.20220321.62855-3]
[14:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted texlive-bin [ppc64el] (kinetic-proposed) [2022.20220321.62855-3]
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[14:56] <rbasak> locutusofborg: I suppose it just depends on assessment of priority. A workaround being available without eg. needing a new patched binary built makes it lower priority. Requiring all users, most of whom are unaffected, to download extra updates isn't good for them. Bundling together with an essential security update would be ideal. So it's just a case of the trade-off between all of those.
[14:58] <rbasak> If the use case is only building from an upstream git branch tip, then there's also the possibility of temporarily workaround around from that end.
[14:58] <rbasak> Otherwise we end up with users downloading gigs of updates every few days for relatively trivial issues, and that's also suboptimal.
[15:18] <rbasak> seb128: you missed my comment if you care: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2022/06/01/%23ubuntu-release.html#t14:56
[15:35] <RikMills> ubuntu-archive: please accept oxygens-sounds from Debian. needed for the full new plasma source stack
[15:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gtk4 (jammy-proposed/main) [4.6.3+ds1-0ubuntu1 => 4.6.5+ds-0ubuntu1] (desktop-core, i386-whitelist)
[16:16] <vorlon> RikMills: why are you manually syncing a package from unstable?
[16:16] <vorlon> ah because it's currently built from a source that has a delta so won't autosync
[16:16] <vorlon> accepted
[16:17] <RikMills> yep, and thanks
[16:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oxygen-sounds [sync] (kinetic-proposed) [4:5.24.90-1]
[16:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: debhelper (focal-backports/main) [13.5.2ubuntu1~bpo20.04.1 => 13.6ubuntu1~bpo20.04.1] (core, i386-whitelist)
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[16:50] <ddstreet> mapreri if you have time, can you review debhelper in b/f-backports queues?
[17:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: memtest86+ (focal-backports/main) [5.01-3.1ubuntu2.1 => 5.31b+dfsg-4~bpo20.04.1] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[18:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: freerdp2 (jammy-proposed/main) [2.6.1+dfsg1-3ubuntu2 => 2.6.1+dfsg1-3ubuntu3] (desktop-core, i386-whitelist)
[19:49] <coreycb> bdmurray: hello, if you get a chance could you take a look at cinder in the impish unapproved queue?
[19:56] <bdmurray> coreycb: I'll see what I can do
[19:56] <coreycb> bdmurray: thanks
[20:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: systemd (jammy-proposed/main) [249.11-0ubuntu3.1 => 249.11-0ubuntu3.2] (core, i386-whitelist)
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[10:09] <ejat> elo ..
[14:01] <micahg> !dmb-ping
[14:01] <tumbleweed> o/
[14:01] <bdrung> o/
[14:01]  * tumbleweed puts the kettle on
[14:02] <bdrung> tumbleweed: hot water for what?
[14:02] <tumbleweed> coffee time
[14:03]  * bdrung just finished lunch. :)
[14:03] <tumbleweed> I see we probable apologies for Laney, stgraber, and barry
[14:04] <bdrung> all depends on cody-somerville
[14:11] <bdrung> micahg, tumbleweed: what should we do? wait for cody-somerville, defer the meeting, or begin the meeting and collecting votes per mail?
[14:11] <tumbleweed> wallyweek doesn't appear to be here either
[14:12] <micahg> right, so deferal seems prudent as we have no applicants present
[14:12] <micahg> *scheduled :)
[14:12] <tumbleweed> agreed
[14:13] <tumbleweed> diwic's application is also sufficiently aged, but I don't see him around, either
[14:14] <ScottK> So you can write this up as "successfully processed applications for all applicants present."
[14:15] <tumbleweed> :)
[18:00] <jdstrand> #startmeeting
[18:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Apr  9 18:00:25 2012 UTC.  The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[18:00] <jdstrand> hi!
[18:00]  * jjohansen \o
[18:00] <tyhicks> Hello
[18:00]  * sbeattie o/
[18:00] <micahg> o/
[18:01] <jdstrand> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[18:01] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[18:01] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[18:02] <jdstrand> I'll go first
[18:02] <jdstrand> I'm in the happy place this week
[18:02] <jdstrand> I am doing some apparmor documentation for mount rules so it can be included in the next apparmor upload
[18:03] <jdstrand> I plan to finish my MIR audits this week
[18:03] <sbeattie> jdstrand: until the server team adds some more? :-)
[18:03] <jdstrand> I am down to 2 for the server team. 2 others I may punt on
[18:03] <jdstrand> sbeattie: dude :P
[18:03] <jdstrand> 1 of those 2 is half-done
[18:04] <jdstrand> I then need to do all the performance review stuff for everyone
[18:04] <jdstrand> there is an embargoed issue I am working on
[18:05] <jdstrand> I need to move to install audits after that. if by some chance there is more time, I might get back to some of my assigned updates
[18:05] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: is on vacation today and friday, and next week. I know he is working on some pending updates
[18:05] <jdstrand> sbeattie: you're up
[18:05] <sbeattie> I'm on triage this week
[18:06] <sbeattie> I'm working on fixing more apparmor bugs, though I've submitted fixes upstream for the ones targeted for release.
[18:06] <sbeattie> I expect we should upload an updated package today or tomorrow
[18:06] <jdstrand> sbeattie: I agree
[18:07] <sbeattie> and then anything further should get staged for an SRU
[18:07] <jdstrand> we want to get as much as we can in for final freeze. other bug fixes of yours that don't make it can be SRUd (if needed)
[18:07] <jdstrand> heh, yes :)
[18:08] <sbeattie> I think that's it for me
[18:08] <sbeattie> micahg: you're up
[18:09] <micahg> I have a short week (off Friday), I have another chromium update, and am still working on the stuff from last week (thunderbird stable release migration and webkit stable release migration)
[18:09] <micahg> I think that's it for me
[18:09] <tyhicks> I'm in the happy place this week
[18:10] <tyhicks> I took an embargoed issue late last week that I'm currently finishing up
[18:10] <tyhicks> That kept me from getting to my upstream eCryptfs todo list, so I'll focus on that after I get the embargoed update out and before I take another update this week
[18:11] <tyhicks> That's all I've got
[18:11] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[18:11] <jjohansen> I need to finish up with work on several bugs, 959560, 959352, 969228, 970647, 968956, 955892, 921000, 974616, some are already only going to happen for SRU, but I'd like to get some of them into the next upload.
[18:11] <jjohansen> Beyond that I need to finish writing the rough draft/info for mount rules.
[18:11] <jjohansen> release Beta5
[18:11] <jjohansen> and finish up outstanding work items
[18:12] <jjohansen> I think thats it from me
[18:12] <sbeattie> jjohansen: let me know what I need to review and help with.
[18:12] <jjohansen> sbeattie: will do, I would like to hear your thoughts on the extension of the test suite, I posted last week
[18:13]  * jjohansen has been using it to create some regression tests
[18:13] <sbeattie> jjohansen: okay, I'll respond on list for that.
[18:13] <jjohansen> thanks
[18:15] <jjohansen> jdstrand: back to you
[18:16] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[18:16] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/mapserver.html
[18:16] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/bozohttpd.html
[18:16] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/beanstalkd.html
[18:16] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/ipmitool.html
[18:16] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libipc-pubsub-perl.html
[18:16] <jdstrand> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[18:16] <jdstrand> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[18:17] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[18:17] <jdstrand> be sure to participate in Ubuntu desktop ISO testing on Thursdays from now til release following the email I forwarded to you. This is considered vitally important for all of UE. Feel free to ask questions outside of the meeting
[18:17] <jdstrand> please make sure to complete peer reviews by EOD on Wednesday, if you haven't already
[18:18] <jdstrand> also, we should start our UDS planning (hard to believe it is so close!)
[18:18] <jdstrand> I'll create a wiki page for us to start brain dumping
[18:18] <jdstrand> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[18:23] <jdstrand> sbeattie, micahg, tyhicks, jjohansen: thanks!
[18:23] <jdstrand> #endmeeting
[18:23] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Apr  9 18:23:48 2012 UTC.
[18:23] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-04-09-18.00.moin.txt
[18:23] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-04-09-18.00.html
[18:23] <micahg> jdstrand: thanks
[18:23] <jjohansen> thanks jdstrand
[18:24] <sbeattie> jdstrand: thanks
[22:50] <poettone> Hello All!
[23:19] <poettone> can anyone tell me if there is a package we need for triage called "fridge"?
[23:20] <poettone> I see it on the calendar page but is that something I need on my machine to monitor?


[04:47] (ScottK/#ubuntu-kernel) That's my guess.
[04:52] <ThrobbingBrain66> ok, that's done.  i also subscribed the kernel team to my bug, i dunno if that's frowned upon or not.  anything else i need to do?
[04:58] <ScottK> Actually, IIRC the kernel team prefers to be assigned, not subscribed.
[05:05] <ThrobbingBrain66> yeah, i figured that.  oops.
[05:11] <ThrobbingBrain66> thanks for the help
[09:23] <kraut> moin
[01:35] <doko> please see bug 116648; did we have problems building madwifi in feisty and/or gutsy?
[02:28] <Kano> BenC: added a new fetch script: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22/+bug/128297
[04:05] <mikepj> I have a kernel update question.  Recently I came across a blog entry noting a data corruption problem on machines with over 4Gb of memory.  This was due to a kernel bug.  I was wondering if the patch for this has been merged into the 6.06 LTS version of Ubuntu.  The blog entry is here:  http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2007/07/25/silent-data-corruption-on-amd-servers/
[06:28] <bdmurray> mikepj: one thing you could do is look for a launchpad bug linked to the kernel.org bug
[06:31] <bdmurray> mikepj: I think it is safe to say it has not been merged
[06:35] <bdmurray> BenC: are you familiar with that at all? it is commit cf6387daf8858bdcb3e123034ca422e8979d73f1 I think.
[06:36] <BenC> bdmurray: looks to be in our gutsy tree
[06:37] <bdmurray> Right I was thinking about dapper
[06:37] <BenC> Sounds pretty serious, probably mark it for dapper-6.06.2 milestone and we can look at it in the next week
[06:38] <BenC> really simple patch too, so definitely should be easy :)
[06:38] <bdmurray> I don't think there is an lp bug yet though.  Is there a preferred way to make a new for this?
[06:38] <zul> BenC: do you guys need any help for 6.06.2 from the "community" side?
[06:38] <BenC> zul: basically going to need a lot of testing from anyone with the target hardware
[06:39] <BenC> if you check the dapper-6.06.2 milestone tagged bugs, you can get a glimpse at what we're hoping to fix/support
[06:39] <zul> ah ok im running gutsy now
[06:39] <zul> url?
[06:41] <bdmurray> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-6.06.2
[06:42] <zul> htanks
[09:08] <mikepj> sorry, I was away.  Thanks for the info.  Glad to hear the patch might make it into 6.06.2.
[09:12] <bdmurray> mikepj: I submitted a bug about it but seem to have misplaced it.  It should be listed in the milestoned bugs though.
[09:12] <mikepj> Yeah, I found it here:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/128568
[09:13] <mikepj> I thought it was effecting all AMD processors though.  Must have missed something in one of the other bug reports
[09:37] <IntuitiveNipple> I saw a related bug in launchpad earlier searching for "iommu=soft" (2 bugs; only 1 is using >=4GB RAM) but got side-tracked checking for patches to 6.06, and there is a debian bug #404148 with fix for 2.6.18.
[10:41] <bdmurray> BenC: Could you look at bug 47768?
[10:46] <BenC> bdmurray: the original report appears to be an ordering problem
[10:47] <BenC> bdmurray: do you know if we used UUID in dapper? I can't seem to recall, and don't have a dapper system handy
[10:51] <doko> are kyle and lamont on vacation?
[10:51] <BenC> doko: kyle was hung up returning from UbuntuLive
[10:52] <bdmurray> kees's UsingUUID page says since Edgy
[10:52] <BenC> I wonder if we should backport UUID stuff to 6.06.2
[10:53] <ScottK> BenC: I have a dapper system.  Checking
[10:53] <ScottK> BenC: No UUIDs in /etc/fstab.
[10:54] <ScottK> It sounds invasive/risky/dangerous to backport to me.
[10:55] <bdmurray> That's what I would think too - quite the "surprise"
[10:56] <BenC> actually it's not dangerous at all
[10:56] <BenC> we've been upgrading people to UUID since edgy
[10:56] <BenC> the main purpose of 6.06.2 is for people that can't install 6.06{,.1} anyway
[10:57] <ScottK> Yes, but dapper-updates will get it all too, right?
[10:57] <BenC> right, but then anyone running dapper right now will eventually be pushed to UUID no matter what
[10:57] <BenC> unless they want to stay with dapper forever
[10:57] <ScottK> Well just 5 years.
[10:57] <BenC> then they'll be pushed into the UUID upgrade then
[10:58] <ScottK> Yep.
[10:58] <ScottK> Exactly.
[10:58] <BenC> either way, not putting it into 6.06.2 is just deferring it, not making it any less dangerous
[10:58] <ScottK> At the end of a stable series, not in the middle.
[10:58] <BenC> so that argument is pointless
[10:58] <ScottK> I'd put it the other way around.
[10:59] <BenC> ok, so we'll just leave people with no sure way to install a system because of a feature that we've tested over a year now isn't going to be backported :)
[10:59] <ScottK> Deferring the upgrade puts the change where it would be expected, not where it would be unexpected (~ 20% of the way into a stable LTS baseline's life).
[10:59] <BenC> same could be said for some of the things we're already doing for 6.06.2
[11:00] <BenC> UUID usage is stable, it's the non-use of it that is unstable
[11:00] <BenC> especially with SATA and SCSI drives
[11:01] <ScottK> It seems like a significant design change to me.  If you did it and broke my LTS server, I'd be pretty annoyed.
[11:01] <BenC> I mean, the upgrade is a single shell script
[11:01] <BenC> and it's very well written to avoid breakage...any problems, and it leaves the fstab/menu.lst alone
[11:02] <ivoks> i wouldn't do that in LTS :/
[11:02] <BenC> guess we'll just have people installing and not being able to boot then :/
[11:02] <ScottK> Why?
[11:03] <BenC> read bug #47768
[11:03] <BenC> and maybe you'll have some context
[11:03] <ivoks> people are unable to install cause of missing drivers :)
[11:03] <BenC> ivoks: this is a case of people being able to install, and then not being able to boot it afterwards
[11:04] <ivoks> i heard about that problem
[11:04] <BenC> ScottK: so the alternate installer loads the drivers in a different order than the installed system (which is ok, because driver load order shouldn't matter and can't be enforced)
[11:04] <ivoks> right
[11:04] <ivoks> i2o and stuff
[11:04] <BenC> as such, they install and on boot, sda becomes sdb, and sdb becomes sda
[11:04] <BenC> blammo
[11:04] <BenC> no, nothing to do with i2o
[11:04] <BenC> this could be onboard SATA == sda, scsi controller == sdb
[11:05] <BenC> load the drivers in different order, and you no longer have a bootable system
[11:05] <ivoks> yes, that happend to me once
[11:05] <ivoks> i upgraded to feisty then :D
[11:05] <BenC> hehe
[11:06] <ivoks> ok, you got my vote, since this will personaly help me in some cases
[11:06] <ivoks> (not that it matters :)
[11:07] <ivoks> are there plans for new version of e1000, 3w-9xxx and some IDE controlers for 6.06.2?
[11:07] <BenC> e1000 I believe so, I'd have to check 3w-9xxx, but there's a good chance of it
[11:07] <IntuitiveNipple> Hmmm, UUID install-and-not-boot occurs for kernel upgrades even for Feisty/Gutsy, when you've got one boot partition and 2+ root partitions on the boot disk (multiple distro's) the menu.lst UUIDs are always set to the last root partition UUID, regardless of what they were set to already. Should I post it as a bug?
[11:08] <ScottK> What about using UUID for new installs and not "upgrading" something that's already working.
[11:08] <ScottK> Personally, I've had a lot more trouble with the UUID transition than I've had with not having UUID.
[11:08] <BenC> IntuitiveNipple: sounds like an update-grub issue
[11:09] <BenC> IntuitiveNipple: not a kernel issue
[11:09] <BenC> ScottK: that's possible too
[11:09] <ivoks> then go with that... only for new installs
[11:09] <BenC> ScottK: I can't see how anyone could not be using UUIDs to be honest
[11:09] <ScottK> That would not place existing working installs at risk and so would be a lot more consistent with the LTS guarantee in my book.
[11:09] <BenC> things were so broken before that
[11:09] <IntuitiveNipple> BenC: I'll do some digging, if necessary post a bug against update-grub then
[11:10] <ScottK> Well I'm typing this on a Dapper desktop that's never had troubles and has no UUID.
[11:10] <BenC> IntuitiveNipple: just 'grub', the script is part of that package
[11:10] <BenC> ScottK: and has one disk, right? :)
[11:10] <ScottK> Ah.
[11:10] <ivoks> ScottK: i had scsi and sata controller
[11:10] <IntuitiveNipple> BenC: ok :)
[11:10] <ScottK> It has two, but they're RAIDed.
[11:10] <ivoks> depending on moon and sun, once scsi was sda, and in other cases sata was sda
[11:11] <BenC> yeah, if the OS only sees one disk, you'd never have to concern yourself
[11:11] <ScottK> Right.
[11:11] <BenC> but think if you have a SATA, and boot with a USB disk plugged in
[11:11] <BenC> SATA or SCSI
[11:11] <ScottK> Yeah.
[11:11] <BenC> it might not be a problem, but it could
[11:11] <BenC> ScottK: I think you're right about the UUID upgrade part
[11:12] <BenC> just leaving it for new installs is a safe bet, since it targets the people we're concerned about
[11:12] <ScottK> That sounds quite sane to me.
[11:12] <ScottK> You might also have it so someone that wanted to could run the upgrade script manually, just don't do it automagically.
[11:12] <ScottK> If that's feasible.
[11:13] <ivoks> additional complication and my guess is that no one would do that on working system
[11:14] <ScottK> Yeah, but someone who has been having trouble would do that over a re-install.
[11:14] <ivoks> don't fix if it isn't broken
[11:14] <ScottK> That's the least important part.
[11:14] <ScottK> Absolutely not.
[11:15] <ivoks> well, i would love to see uuid on new installs, but i wouldn't touch running servers
[11:15] <ivoks> i'm just happy cause of e1000 and probably 3w-9xxx :)
[11:17] <ivoks> what about support for ICH8 IDE?
[11:55] <JanC> hm, someone I know complains that grub sees his internal hard disk as hd 2 and sometimes as hd 0, depending on whether his USB disk is connected...
[11:56] <JanC> AFAIK grub doesn't understand GUIDs ?


[01:34] <Knoodle> hi folks
[01:37] <Knoodle> anybody alive?
[01:38] <krytarik> Knoodle: Hi.  Do you have a support question?
[01:38] <Knoodle> yes
[01:39] <Knoodle> and you can help?
[01:39] <krytarik> Without knowing the question?  Nope.
[01:40] <Knoodle> ok so i try to explain the question
[01:40] <Knoodle> i have a 15.10 ubuntu into a Lenovo B50 laptop
[01:40] <Knoodle> my computer doesnt shutdown properly neither reboot
[01:41] <Knoodle> and if i set it to sleep closing it... then it stuck and cant awake it
[01:41] <Knoodle> i ve tried to change the grub configuration but.. nothing...
[01:43] <Knoodle> any suggest?
[01:48] <Knoodle> hello
[01:51] <krytarik> Knoodle: You could ask in #ubuntu or #xubuntu on that as well, btw.
[01:52] <Knoodle> i see
[01:52] <Knoodle> but can you help me?
[01:53] <krytarik> Not immediately, no.
[01:53] <Knoodle> ok
[12:48] <Knoodle> somebody can help me to do a bios update with uefi capsule?
[12:49] <cfhowlett> Knoodle, keep it in main channel.  more eyes
[12:49] <Knoodle> i did but nobody answer
[12:50] <cfhowlett> !patience
[15:44] <valbom> Hi
[15:45] <valbom> I installed ubuntustudio and Iam having a problem trying to install a gimp plug in
[15:46] <valbom> I copy the plugin to the /home/user/.gimp-2.8/plug-ins/ but it does not show on gimp
[15:46] <valbom> am I moving the file to the right folder? I did like this on different distros and it works fine
[22:28] <billy_> this is probly geared more tword the actual ubuntu channel but maybe not..
[22:29] <billy_> just installed ubuntu studio on an acer laptop
[22:30] <billy_> after i booted up for the first time, i installed the recommended updates..
[22:31] <billy_> a bunch of security updates and 2 studio base updates...
[22:32] <billy_> then i restarted the machine, and after that... my mouse touchpad no longer worked.
[22:33] <billy_> i had to re install the entire OS and now i am frightened to update anything...
[22:34] <billy_> anyone heard of such an issue? any ideas or suggestions?
[22:41] <krytarik> billy_: That'd indeed be better suited for the larger audience in #ubuntu.
[22:44] <billy_> thx will try
[22:46] <krytarik> Sure - good luck.
[22:52] <zequence> billy_: You should report a bug, if that happens again. Create an account at http://launchpad.net, and in a terminal, type: ubuntu-bug <packagename>
[22:52] <zequence> In this case, it could be the kernel, so <packagename> would be linux, or linux-lowlatency


 @wxl [<wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker dumb question: what if we didn't define runner at all in …], I will have to check it but I doubt It would do anything coz I read lxqt-runner's GitHub code and it says that globalkeys should control the shortcut. I will check and let you know.
 @wxl [<wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker: https://forum.lxqt.org/t/lxqt-session-and-autostarting-a …], Watching this.
[04:00] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker: if that's a case with runner, that's a bug, then. did we ever report that?
 Nope. Not that I know off.
[04:01] <wxl> we need to do that
 Afaik, right now the meta+r shortcut in globalkeys turns italic before we stop and start runner.
 @wxl [<wxl> we need to do that], Ack. Will have to test first.
[04:03] <wxl> isn't that what teward tested?
 Ummm. Teward tested what?
 He tested the application menu one
[04:04] <wxl> oh
[04:04] <wxl> k
 One where creating new menu and deleting old one caused super key to fail.
[04:04] <wxl> right right
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 Anyone free. need some help regarding rARTWORK
 I modified the rARTWORK to include lubuntu-grbu-theme … Here's what I did: … 1. copy the source files to src/ … 2. create `lubuntu-grub-theme.install/prerm/postinst` under debian/ … 3. modify copyright and `dch -i … `4. `debuild -b —no-sign … `AFAIK, everything should be fine. But it gives me an error while building saying: …
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 @The_LoudSpeaker [I modified the rARTWORK to include lubuntu-grbu-theme … Here's what I did: … 1. cop …], wxl: @kc2bez @HMollerCl @tsimonq2 @aptghetto any ideas? I can provide a build log if required.
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/P45
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 Anyone saw this https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/off-crypth-your-lubuntu-disk/424 ?
 I would also like to know if there's a way.
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[20:00] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker re: encryption it sucks https://askubuntu.com/questions/245112/can-i-disable-full-disk-encryption
[20:01] <The_LoudSpeaker> finally! sensei wakes up _/\_
[20:01] <The_LoudSpeaker> also, ack. on the encryption.
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[20:01] <wxl> yeah sorry today is monday part 3
[20:03] <wxl> what's your install file look like re: artwork?
 One sec.
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[20:08] <The_LoudSpeaker> wxl,  here: https://github.com/ramansarda2000/lubuntu-grub-theme/blob/master/debian/install
[20:08] <The_LoudSpeaker> I placed the source files as I placed in this repo.
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[20:09] <The_LoudSpeaker> OHHH! now I get it, I shouldn't place them under src. I should place them like that only. beside debian folder. the files I mentioned in install file.
[20:09] <The_LoudSpeaker> OR
[20:09] <The_LoudSpeaker> I should change the install file. BRB
[20:10] <wxl> path is wrong one way or another. keep playing with it
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[20:13] <The_LoudSpeaker> Why did I not see this earlier!
[20:13]  * The_LoudSpeaker facepalms
[20:14] <The_LoudSpeaker> built.
[20:15] <The_LoudSpeaker> now, I will check it on a vm first. coz chroot doesn't have some things like grub and a boot partition and all.
[20:15] <The_LoudSpeaker> Also, I used GPLv3+ liscence but rARTWORK uses GPLv2+
[20:15] <The_LoudSpeaker> it's okay right?
[20:16] <wxl> yes
[20:16] <The_LoudSpeaker> I guess I should add that big paragraph of gplv3+ simillar to 2+ one that's already there?
[20:16] <wxl> also good job :)
[20:17] <The_LoudSpeaker> what does this mean btw? Cannot open /proc/9928/fd, falling back to generic method - No such file or directory at /usr/share/perl5/IO/Async/OS/linux.pm line 38
[20:17] <The_LoudSpeaker> I am sure it's due to chroot.
[20:17] <The_LoudSpeaker> and what good job? I should have finished this 2 hours ago.
[20:20] <wxl> so /proc is all your processes
[20:20] <wxl> 9928 is a PID
[20:20] <wxl> fd refers to file descriptors
[20:20] <wxl> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_descriptor
[20:20] <wxl> not sure of the exact problem though
[20:21] <wxl> and good job because you figured out your problem
[20:22] <The_LoudSpeaker> ACK. I will check it. I think I messed something in my vm. I had shut it down sometime ago. but it still hasn't freed my ram.
[20:23] <The_LoudSpeaker> got it fixed.
[20:25] <The_LoudSpeaker> About Xscreensaver, which file did you edit to change the dialogue box? the same one containing default themes?
[20:25] <wxl> .Xdefaults i think. i said it in my final summary
[20:26] <wxl> supposedly you can do it with that file, too, but i'm not sure
[20:26] <The_LoudSpeaker> someone tell me an easy way to copy files and folders across hosts and vm in qemu. It's painfull to always use an usb.
[20:27] <The_LoudSpeaker> ack. wxl
 @The_LoudSpeaker [<The_LoudSpeaker> someone tell me an easy way to copy files and folders across h …], sshfs
[20:27] <The_LoudSpeaker> you mean ssh into host via vm to get files?
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 It doesn't matter which way you do it.
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[20:31] <wxl> YES
[20:32] <wxl> i got the logs from lxqt-session
[20:32] <wxl> not surprisingly it starts all the apps in alphabetical order
[20:32] <wxl> so globalkeyshortcuts before runner
[20:33] <wxl> there is no current way to modify the order except through changing the name of the desktop file
[20:33] <The_LoudSpeaker> I don't think we should do that.
[20:33] <The_LoudSpeaker> or maybe we should?
[20:33] <The_LoudSpeaker> ack. thanks UnivrslSuprBox
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[20:39] <wxl> i don't think we should
[20:40] <wxl> i think there's a two prong approach we should go with here:
[20:40] <wxl>  1. report the problem upstream; maybe we'll get a quick fix
[20:40] <wxl>  2. see if we can't get some way to control the order of running things (i already did this)
[20:41] <TJ-> 3. use dpg-divert to control the naming and therefore ordering?
[20:42] <TJ-> dpkg-divert, even!
[20:42] <wxl> hm we probably could do that in default settings. hacky.
[20:43] <TJ-> everything's a hack at some level
[20:43] <wxl> ture
[20:43] <wxl> um
[20:43] <wxl> you get it
[20:48] <TJ-> the nice thing about a flavour-specific .postinst that applies a dpkg-divert is from then on dpkg handles it automatically on package upgrades
[20:56] <The_LoudSpeaker> okay I got the package right. How do I push changes?
[20:56] <The_LoudSpeaker> normally like arc diff?
[20:58] <The_LoudSpeaker> I am assuming I should coz readme of rARTWORK is currently not understandable to me. -\o/-
[21:00] <wxl> yep
[21:01] <The_LoudSpeaker> also, @tsimonq2 you want me to remove that unnecessary travis link at the top from README?
[21:01] <The_LoudSpeaker> it doesn't work
[21:01] <The_LoudSpeaker> https://travis-ci.org/lubuntu-team/lubuntu-artwork
[21:01] <The_LoudSpeaker> ^ this
[21:05] <The_LoudSpeaker> https://phab.lubuntu.me/D45
[21:05] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Review] Added lubuntu-grub-theme: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D45
[21:09] <The_LoudSpeaker> Suggest testing methods for D45.
[21:10] <The_LoudSpeaker> Also, bye. Have 8 hours classes tomorrow.
 @wxl [<wxl> so globalkeyshortcuts before runner], Same with panel I guess
[21:38] <wxl> indeed
[21:39] <wxl> get through step 1 first
 ECHAN
 XD
[21:41] <wxl> sheesh
[21:47] <wxl> new wiki. feel free to add if you've got anyuthing https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/debugging/
 @wxl [<wxl> indeed], Couldn't we make it load in reverse alphabetical order?
 @wxl [<wxl> new wiki. feel free to add if you've got anyuthing https://phab.lubuntu.me …], nice
 I have some thoughts for Cala. I will add them in.
[23:03] <wxl> @HMollerCl it's possible, sure
[23:03] <wxl> again, though, that seems hacky
 Wxl: agree, but less hacky than changing .desktop names
[23:42] <wxl> yeah maybe :/