[12:00] <gds> It seems that kernel is preconfigured to resume from a partition
[12:01] <gds> How can I set it?
[12:01] <stazich> my mac is 333, os9 worked much more stable and a bit faster.. anyone has any suggestions? i tried installing xfce, helped but not much
[12:01] <apow> lamont_r: thanks i'll take a look
[12:01] <samy> hi
[12:01] <thoreauputic> stazich: maybe fluxbox
[12:01] <gordonjcp> stazich: 333 is fairly slow, Ubuntu has a lot of shineyness
[12:01] <gds> Perhaps it's an operation like rdev... I suppose :-)
[12:01] <stazich> whats the site do you know?
[12:01] <gordonjcp> you might want to turn off a lot of things like anti-aliasing
[12:01] <thoreauputic> fluxbox.org
[12:02] <samy> is here anyone who has an Acer Travelmate 8100 Notebook running with Ubuntu?
[12:02] <gordonjcp> stazich: my G3 266 goes a lot better in OSX with the antialiasing turned off
[12:02] <^thehatsrule^> stazich, 333 is good enough
[12:02] <^thehatsrule^> use flux
[12:02] <borgista> I'm looking for someone who's had luck putting in a GRUB splash background.
[12:03] <samy> hi
[12:03] <borgista> Anyone? Luck w/putting in a GRUB splash background?
[12:04] <InitMass> hasn't released it yet. OMG it's already 00:04 here
[12:04] <InitMass> ;)
[12:04] <borgista> It's 3:04pm Thursday here.
[12:04] <InitMass> haven't they*
[12:04] <borgista> (apr. 7th)
[12:05] <stazich> ok... well another question then... i want to go through basically taking off all the unnecessary parts of the OS, which are now running, in order to increase performance.. does anyone know what to start with? frankly this machine is on my hub just to experiment with and coz i didnt like os9, wanted to truy linux... so im not into services like ftp or anything yet- it is just to be "naked" well.. another question.. actually
[12:05] <stazich> i did want to stream live tv through it.. do you think itl be enough? g3 333 pc 194ram...??
[12:05] <samy> has anyone of you running Ubuntu on a Acer Travelmate 8100?
[12:05] <libben> hmm
[12:05] <\bin\bash> hello everybody
[12:05] <InitMass> borgista, come on i'm sitting on needles
[12:05] <borgista> Is it Friday where you are at?
[12:06] <\bin\bash> :P
[12:06] <stazich> someone suggested i put mplayer on for that... but i mean it isnt just mplayer il need to play ASX format, but also codecs and they take up resources too... anyone gives my situation a chance of success?? i mean i know it has to be optimized, just dunno how
[12:06] <thoreauputic> :D
[12:06] <InitMass> borgista, sweden
[12:06] <InitMass> borgista, yes, it's friday here
[12:06] <\bin\bash> /nick /bin/bash ?
[12:06] <borgista> O.k.
[12:07] <holycow> stazich, well the only thing that take up resources are services/applications that are running
[12:07] <ompaul> it is less than one hour from Friday here :)
[12:07] <Sauron21> hi....could anyone tell me what the command is to run the native bittorrent program on ubuntu??
[12:07] <thoreauputic> \bin\bash: might not work ;)
[12:07] <InitMass> borgista, where are you, south america?
[12:07] <holycow> you don't gain performance by simply removing stuff in linux
[12:07] <\bin\bash> /bin/bash Erroneous Nickname
[12:07] <borgista> I'm in Los Angeles, California.
[12:07] <borgista> USA
[12:07] <\bin\bash> :P
[12:07] <stazich> holycow, do you know off the bat something i can turn off and how to do that?
[12:07] <holycow> you maybe save some space, thats it
[12:07] <InitMass> borgista, spanish speaker?
[12:07] <thoreauputic> Sauron21: btdownloadcurse or something like that
[12:07] <borgista> Yes.
[12:08] <InitMass> borgista, that's why i guessed south am.
[12:08] <holycow> well, one way is to look at /etc/init.d folder and take out what you don't think you need
[12:08] <thoreauputic> Sauron21: bt something anyway
[12:08] <borgista> Los Angeles is the second biggest Spanish-speaking city in the world.
[12:08] <InitMass> borgista, !
[12:08] <holycow> i'm not sure exactly how far you can cut the autostart stuff before your machine becomes useless for the task
[12:09] <borgista> Los Angeles means "the angels" in spanish.
[12:09] <thoreauputic> \bin\bash: try #!/bin/bash :D
[12:09] <\bin\bash> :D
[12:10] <thoreauputic> \bin\bash: backslashes make me think of *cough* 'that other OS' *cough*
[12:10] <holycow> stazich, obviously  you don't want to have any desktop environment running at all, so if you installed ubuntu on that machine, just taking gdm from the /etc/init.d directory will result in gdm/gnome not starting up at boot
[12:10] <|QuaD-> anyone here an sqlite pro?
[12:10] <ompaul> thoreauputic, stop talking dirty
[12:11] <thoreauputic> fofl @ ompaul
[12:11] <thoreauputic> haha
[12:11] <libben> http://cgi.4chan.org/f/src/elevatordisco.swf
[12:11] <thoreauputic> rofl
[12:12] <InitMass> borgista, yes, i know that. i have studied spanish
[12:12] <MrParker> hey guys
[12:12] <MrParker> Anyone here using Cedega?
[12:12] <stazich> holycow, no i do want desktop to run to watch mplayer tv on net... thats why i am looking for a liter version - xfce or maybe now will try fluxbox.. im talking more about turning off some other background services that eat me up...
[12:12] <huhe> what is the url to the unofficial hoary starter guide ?
[12:12] <thoreauputic> MrParker: no no-one uses it, not even the people who use it ;-)
[12:12] <borgista> There aren't many background services that eat up much in Linux. In Windows there is.
[12:13] <Burgundavia> huhe: www.ubuntuguide.org/temp
[12:13] <holycow> borgista, lol i was about to say that
[12:14] <stazich> lets say a firewall holycow.. is there a firewall or anything running on ubuntu? i am behind one of a dsl router so i would wanna get rid of that if it is present...
[12:14] <stazich> u know if its there?
[12:14] <holycow> lol hahaha
[12:14] <holycow> no firewals on linux don't work like on windows
[12:14] <holycow> yes your kernel is the firewall
[12:14] <borgista> You can apt-get install firestarter ( good firewall) stazich
[12:14] <thoreauputic> stazich: a linux firewall is just iptables script
[12:14] <borgista> Yup.
[12:14] <holycow> via iptables, which is just a set of rules for the kernel
[12:14] <holycow> but that takes up no resources
[12:15] <holycow> and firestarter is just a front end for ip tables
[12:15] <holycow> that takes up no resources
[12:15] <borgista> But it's a nice front-end
[12:15] <holycow> you run it, set some rules and shut it down
[12:15] <holycow> it takes up no resources eitehr
[12:15] <frank> is there anything like packet inspection in linux?
[12:15] <frank> or is it useless
[12:15] <kbrooks> firestarter isnt a daemon
[12:15] <kbrooks> :)
[12:15] <stazich> im not trying to install anything borgista, on the opposite, optimize the system by taking stuff off...
[12:16] <holycow> statefull packet inspection frank? off the top of my head not sure, but you should be able to do that via iptables
[12:16] <borgista> What I'm telling you is that you don't really have to take off much.
[12:16] <thoreauputic> stazich: use light apps and a light window manager
[12:16] <helloyo> does anyone know when we can download hoary final?
[12:16] <borgista> Tomorrow.
[12:16] <holycow> what they said, thats pretty much it
[12:16] <holycow> there is no hidden bullshit in the background eating resources
[12:17] <stazich> trying to...
[12:17] <samy> has anzone of you an Acer Travelmate 8100 Notebook??
[12:17] <thoreauputic> stazich:  http://users.netwit.net.au/~pursang/lofat.html
[12:17] <scaroo> hi ppl ! i d like to know if the current hoary kernel is inotify-enabled and if yes wich inotify version ?
[12:17] <thoreauputic> stazich: useful hints there
[12:18] <helloyo> whats the time there in the us?
[12:18] <lucychili> greets is it ok to ask about open office on ubuntu questions here?
[12:18] <thoreauputic> stazich: ubuntu doesn't run any services/servers by default
[12:18] <borgista> I'm on the Westside of the US...it's 3:18pm
[12:18] <Brunellus> presently 1818 hours, Eastern Daylight Time
[12:18] <stazich> thx guys il check it out
[12:18] <thoreauputic> Fri Apr  8 08:18:35 EST 2005
[12:18] <thoreauputic> Australia :)
[12:18] <lucychili> me too thoreau
[12:19] <lucychili> 7.49
[12:19] <thoreauputic> lucychili: South Australia?
[12:19] <daven> Thurs 23:19 in the UK and i'm off to bed :)
[12:20] <lucychili> yes sa
[12:20] <thoreauputic> lucychili: heh- a linuxchick! good on ya! :)
[12:20] <lucychili> working with itshare here =)
[12:20] <spanglesontoast> is there a way of setting the default soundcard for ubuntu?
[12:20] <lucychili> http://www.itshare.org.au
[12:21] <lucychili> we are using ubuntu specificlly on our boxes
[12:21] <thoreauputic> lucychili: OK I'll look :)
[12:21] <thoreauputic> lucychili: cool!
[12:21] <lucychili> its an interesting group/project
[12:22] <thoreauputic> lucychili: ah - recycling: how do we get involved?
[12:22] <lucychili> well we do it in sa
[12:22] <thoreauputic> lucychili: is there a NSW equivalent?
[12:22] <lucychili> there are probably groups in your state doing similar refurbishment
[12:22] <lucychili> yes
[12:22] <holycow> lucychili, very cool :)
[12:22] <lucychili> sydney is just getting back on its feet
[12:22] <lucychili> computerbank
[12:22] <spanglesontoast> yea I nick computers from our school from time to time
[12:23] <thoreauputic> great to hear you're using Ubuntu :)
[12:23] <lucychili> but there are hunter valley and aother regional ones doing well
[12:23] <lucychili> its good
[12:23] <lucychili> we are aiming to do community organisations
[12:23] <Brunellus> sorry to jump in on this;  so the local gov't is recycling computers using ubuntu?
[12:23] <lucychili> with training and a support plan to get them independent
[12:23] <lucychili> no we are a volunteer group
[12:24] <lucychili> we do use work for the dole programs to help us with processing and rent
[12:24] <Brunellus> oh, ok
[12:24] <Brunellus> it's pretty neat.
[12:24] <MrParker> Anyone here use Cedega?
[12:24] <Brunellus> I wish I were more technical, & did stuff like that
[12:24] <lucychili> we have put a lan into the Hut community centre in Aldgate and are through level 1 support training and starting level 2
[12:24] <lucychili> brunellus im a graphic designer
[12:24] <lucychili> im not a tech thug
[12:25] <lucychili> thats why ubuntu is nice
[12:25] <lucychili> its very accessible
[12:25] <SysFail> something wrong with tech thugs?
[12:25] <lucychili> nope
[12:25] <lucychili> not at all
[12:25] <cjdavis> hi all; I need some help -- does anybody have a pointer to info on runing macromedia flash with amd64? i figured its a faq, but i cant find it
[12:25] <thoreauputic> lucychili: hehe - tech thugs are we?
[12:25] <lucychili> =)
[12:25] <lucychili> my hubby is
[12:25] <MrParker> No one?
[12:25] <lucychili> =)
[12:25] <MrParker> :P I feel no love
[12:26] <Brunellus> tech thug, eheheh.
[12:26] <SysFail> i wanted to try that Parker
[12:26] <MrParker> I had it working
[12:26] <lucychili> there are tech thuggies in itshare
[12:26] <MrParker> then out of nowhere my textures started messing up
[12:26] <SysFail> does it work at all?
[12:26] <lucychili> im just not one of them
[12:26] <MrParker> oh when it works, it works great
[12:26] <MrParker> I'm just trying to figure out why I get no textures at all
[12:26] <Brunellus> what I wish I could get a hand in would be to help someone get a fat server/thin-client network runnign with ubuntu
[12:26] <Brunellus> and LTSP
[12:26] <bolamix> hello all
[12:26] <Brunellus> would be cool for  a school
[12:27] <thingy> umm...I thought there was going to be a new release sometime this week....does anyone know what happened and when its going to get released?
[12:27] <bolamix> quick question please: what is the command to undo a symbolic link?
[12:27] <bolamix> the opposite of ln in fact
[12:27] <MrParker> release is tomorrow
[12:28] <thingy> MrParker: it got moved from the 6th?
[12:28] <lucychili> brunellus the hut lan is gnome but not ubuntu specifically but is thin install. the individual recip boxes we are doing are ubuntu and we are giving cds to the hut for them to swap over their home boxes to be consistent with their work ones.
[12:28] <Brunellus> lucychili:  that's awesome.
[12:28] <Brunellus> i'd pop in and give you a hand/learn a thing or two
[12:28] <jasp> bolamix: just use rm to remove a symlink
[12:28] <ompaul> bolamix, rm
[12:28] <Brunellus> but I'm on the wrong continent!
[12:29] <bolamix> cool, thx ompaul :)
[12:29] <jasp> yes the same cmd you use to delete files
[12:29] <MrParker> thingy: thats what I read
[12:29] <lucychili> only problems we have had are about getting a server on a thin install to negotiate with peripherals on a client box. not a usual requirement on a thin network but something we needed here
[12:29] <thingy> MrParker: ok thanx
[12:30] <SysFail> so tomorrow we can run synaptic and upgrade...and be at release?
[12:30] <lucychili> weve done it but its been a bit icky
[12:30] <ompaul> SysFail, or you can use apt-get
[12:31] <SysFail> cause i sure as hell dont wanna do another install
[12:31] <SysFail> heh
[12:31] <ompaul> lucychili, was it documented?
[12:31] <lucychili> which bit
[12:31] <ompaul> the peripherals
[12:31] <lucychili> we could
[12:31] <lucychili> he made it a sep volume
[12:31] <lucychili> you mount and unmount with login
[12:31] <darkkyo> the final version of ubuntu hoary come today?
[12:32] <lucychili> it is bound to specific user accounts
[12:32] <ompaul> hmm
[12:32] <borgista> yes darkkyo
[12:32] <lucychili> ill chat to pete and invite him here if you like =)
[12:33] <membreya> anyone else getting error messages when trying to do a sudo apt-get update?
[12:33] <darkkyo> borgista: iis not on the www.ubuntulinux.org for the moment
[12:34] <ompaul> membreya, I got my upgrade a few minutes ago
[12:34] <lucychili> is there a channel i should try to find out about printing from open office mail merges?
[12:34] <ompaul> 49% [138 kdeartwork-misc 3147783/3419kB 92%]                      106kB/s 12m47s <--- just adding a little more to the box
[12:34] <membreya> ompaul: I'm getting http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[12:35] <MrParker> I am a pirate
[12:35] <MrParker> YARRR
[12:35] <pill> hello, I am having some problem with music players
[12:35] <^thehatsrule^> xmms!
[12:35] <borgista> what's your problem pill?
[12:35] <pill> I can't play any mp3 because there is no plugin ..
[12:35] <xvlun> wxMusik!
[12:35] <MrParker> no way
[12:35] <SysFail> use xmms
[12:35] <MrParker> I'm the pirate
[12:35] <MrParker> you walk the plank
[12:35] <MrParker> Can anyone suggest an mp3 player to me?
[12:36] <xvlun> pill read the restricted formats howto
[12:36] <SysFail> xmms
[12:36] <borgista> XMMS is my favorite MrParker
[12:36] <ompaul> membreya, I was able to read it in the browser
[12:36] <SysFail> me too
[12:36] <kro> three cheers for xmms
[12:36] <MrParker> many thanks
[12:36] <ompaul> hip hip
[12:36] <eruin> rhythmbox is divine
[12:36] <pill> I just installed XMMS, haven't try it yet
[12:36] <MrParker> I'm installing right now
[12:36] <borgista> some folks like rhythmbox a lot, sometimes called "music player"
[12:36] <MrParker> I <3 synaptic
[12:36] <garrut> i use mpd so my colleagues can edit the playlist too :)
[12:36] <kro> Speaking of playing music, is there anything equivalent to a program call cthuga?
[12:36] <membreya> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[12:36] <membreya> ompaul:
[12:36] <xvlun> xmms is grap, rb is better but wxMusik is even better
[12:36] <membreya> that's what I'm getting
[12:37] <pill> "Music Player" does not play, Gnomp3 does not play
[12:37] <SysFail> wxmusik?
[12:37] <theine> pill: if you'd like to play mp3's in rhythmbox you can install gstreamer0.8-plugins
[12:37] <pill> btw, my music is on a fat32 disc
[12:37] <borgista> then try XMMS pi
[12:37] <borgista> pill*
[12:37] <MrParker> brb
[12:37] <pill> theine, great info, I will try
[12:37] <ompaul> membreya, I will do it in a moment - I am downloading half the internet atm :)(
[12:37] <xvlun> pill, "restricted formats" -> apt-get gstreamer-mad
[12:37] <theine> pill: it's in the universe repository
[12:38] <pill> xvlun, thanks..
[12:38] <MrParker> XMMS for the win
[12:38] <MrParker> Yes to having music again
[12:38] <nooneyouknow> sorry, i almost forgot...
[12:38] <nooneyouknow> what do you lot think of the mon situation?
[12:39] <nooneyouknow> that should be "mono"
[12:39] <MrParker> mono situation?
[12:39] <lucychili> i prefer two wheels myself
[12:39] <pussfeller> garrut, u got mpd working with musepack?
[12:39] <Burgundavia> I am not a real fan of sickness myself
[12:39] <nooneyouknow> sorry, wrong channel.
[12:39] <garrut> pussfeller: i have no idea what musepack is.. :)
[12:40] <nooneyouknow> i meant mono situation as in the possible patent trap.
[12:40] <MrParker> are binary video card drivers bad?
[12:40] <MrParker> :P
[12:40] <MrParker> I have heard that, but I am new to this
[12:40] <ompaul> Burgundavia, mono is for .net - but open source
[12:40] <MrParker> and know not how to install that
[12:40] <MrParker> that = non binary drivers
[12:40] <pussfeller> ideologically, perhaps, but function wise, not the nvidia ones
[12:40] <Burgundavia> ompaul: I know that. I was just joking around
[12:40] <ompaul> membreya, almost there 74% [200 libsnmp-base 811669/1005kB 80%]                           108kB/s 6m15s
[12:40] <MrParker> I'm using a radeon 9800 xt
[12:41] <^thehatsrule^> nice!
[12:41] <ompaul> Burgundavia, ah but I got to say open source that was kewl :)
[12:41] <Burgundavia> mono is nice
[12:41] <Burgundavia> I use muine as my music player
[12:42] <ompaul> no idea I avoided .net due to its origins
[12:42] <Vjaz> Heh, I used Muine too but it kept crashing so I went back to Rhythmbox.
[12:42] <Vjaz> Nothing wrong with .NET really.
[12:42] <Burgundavia> muine has odd crashes
[12:42] <Arnia> Vjaz: What version?
[12:42] <cycom> what is multiverse?
[12:42] <eruin> I use rhythmbox 0.9 :)
[12:42] <Burgundavia> I think it is to do with a malformed library
[12:42] <cycom> just another package group?
[12:42] <Arnia> One of the managed externals?
[12:42] <eruin> its audio burning is great
[12:42] <Vjaz> Arnia: Um... some version.
[12:42] <Burgundavia> cycom: stuff that is legally questionable, as well as security-wise questionable
[12:43] <Twiggy> eruin:  Eh? I thought .8.8 was latest
[12:43] <ompaul> Vjaz, well as I said I avoided it
[12:43] <Burgundavia> cycom: or free as in beer, but not as in speech
[12:43] <Vjaz> Arnia: I currently have 0.8.2, but I might have upgraded that after I stopped using (which is silly)...
[12:43] <eruin> Twiggy: cvs ;->
[12:43] <cycom> oh goody! legally questionable is fun
[12:43] <pussfeller> yeah, im coming straight outa compton, step
[12:43] <Arnia> I'm using 0.8.2... don't have any crasher issues here
[12:43] <Twiggy> eruin:  Gnome cvs?
[12:43] <membreya> done yet ompaul ?:)
[12:43] <Vjaz> Arnia: Ok. Maybe I'll try it again.
[12:44] <Arnia> The only problem is that sometimes polypaudio crashes :)
[12:44] <eruin> Twiggy: arch/tla, instructions are on rhythmbox.org ;)
[12:44] <ompaul> membreya I need a bigger pipe :) 86% [250 libssl-dev 850429/2491kB 34%]                             105kB/s 3m22s
[12:44] <Arnia> But its rare enough that I can live with it
[12:44] <Burgundavia> Vjaz: it happens to me. The only solution I have found is to remove and reinstall
[12:44] <membreya> damn straight ompaul :P
[12:44] <Arnia> (especially since its so perfect a UI for me...)
[12:44] <MrParker> Anyone know a good C++ IDE?
[12:45] <MrParker> since you all seem a wealth of information :P
[12:45] <cjdavis>  hi all; I need some help -- does anybody have a pointer to info on runing macromedia flash with amd64? i figured its a faq, but i cant find it
[12:45] <frank> cjdavis I just made it work
[12:45] <cjdavis> !! yay!
[12:45] <ompaul> MrParker, xemacs if you have the ram - xcorel if you don't nedit is another one
[12:45] <Vjaz> Arnia: You're using Polypaudio?
[12:45] <garrut> pussfeller: mpd worked right out of the box for me, i just installed it an ran "mpd <portnr> /path/to/music/ /path/to/playlist_dir/ /path/to/logfile /path/to/errorfile", worked like a charm, i use gmpc as a client
[12:45] <frank> its a bit of enterprise though
[12:45] <Vjaz> Arnia: How come?
[12:45] <membreya> cjdavis: AFAIK, not possible unless you chroot it
[12:45] <Arnia> Vjaz: Yes... esd kept misbehaving for some reason
[12:45] <ompaul> thoreauputic, SHOOT ME - I just suggested to someone to use xemacs
[12:45] <frank> you have to chroot
[12:45] <MrParker> I have loooots of ram, thanks ompaul
[12:46] <pill> great, finally I can enjoy music after switching to linux a week ago..
[12:46] <cjdavis> would i be better off just installing a 386 version of ubuntu additionally for the moment?
[12:46] <ompaul> membreya,  95% [267 kdevelop3-plugins 3725080/6884kB 54%]                       108kB/s 60s
[12:46] <membreya> >:(
[12:46] <MrParker> ompaul, is xemacs not available through synaptic?
[12:46] <pill> is there any difference on the sound quality of different players
[12:46] <pill> s
[12:47] <nooneyouknow> most of them use the same decoders, so not really.
[12:47] <nooneyouknow> although, im no expert.
[12:47] <ompaul> MrParker, I do not use syanptic - I presume it is in there under editors
[12:47] <membreya> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[12:47] <membreya> ompaul: the error message I'm getting is
[12:48] <ompaul> membreya, - go for it
[12:48] <Arnia> pill: Most use GStreamer so not really
[12:48] <membreya> lol
[12:48] <membreya> see the above line
[12:48] <membreya> stupid copy and paste from konsole
[12:48] <MrParker> thanks ompaul
[12:48] <Vjaz> Wtf. I thought that I'd try Muine out once more, but it seems like Mono keeps wasting all my CPU.
[12:49] <Vjaz> Which is weird.
[12:49] <pill> okay..can't live without music, right. I haven't boot to windows since my installation..
[12:49] <pussfeller> garrut, im writing a rails/ruby standalone web interface for mpd
[12:50] <pussfeller> pretty easy actually, its the formatting decisions driving me nuts
[12:51] <ompaul> membreya, it is working fine for me
[12:51] <nooneyouknow> sure sure. music is vital.
[12:51] <membreya> ompaul: running amd64?
[12:51] <nooneyouknow> what isnt workingin your distribution, pill?
[12:51] <ompaul> membreya, no
[12:51] <membreya> :P
[12:51] <ompaul> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 21 not upgraded.
[12:51] <pill> everything is fine now.. I've got everything done here
[12:52] <pussfeller> seems to be alot of sound card issules
[12:52] <TrendKill> is there a gnome based utility for configuring the the runlevels?
[12:52] <pill> This is the 4th distro I've installed
[12:53] <pill> looks like I don't have to try another one . Gnome is clean, simple.
[12:53] <cycom> pill: so is console :)
[12:53] <pill> Yes, I wish I can go back to that..you know people get bad habbits after windoze :(
[12:54] <membreya> ompaul: do you have any idea on how to fix the problem ? I can easily download the file myself
[12:54] <nooneyouknow> haha, cycom leave off ;). no pill mate, ubuntu is the best distro ive tried.
[12:54] <Jamminpotato> o agree woth nooneyouknow
[12:54] <Jamminpotato> *i agree
[12:54] <cycom> OH NO! My proccessor temperature is 337.1 degrees!
[12:54] <cycom> ...kelvin
[12:54] <cycom> it's still pretty warm
[12:55] <pill> The best so far for me as well.
[12:55] <cycom> that's 147 degrees F
[12:55] <ompaul> membreya, there is no output, so I would be inclined to look at top /ps to see if the program kicked off - I would also be looking at cpdump to see what was coming back across the wire when you made the request
[12:56] <ompaul> membreya, that is tcpdump -lvv but you know that :)
[12:56] <pill> nooneyouknow, r u in uk
[12:56] <TrendKill> how do you administer services at bootup in ubuntu? (besides manually removing/creating links in the rcX.d directories?
[12:56] <membreya> naturally :|
[12:57] <membreya> gaaah
[12:57] <membreya> TCPdump
[12:57] <membreya> lots of traffic
[12:57] <membreya> lol
[12:57] <cycom> cripes! this thing doesn't read critical until 76 deg C!
[12:57] <pill> school uses federa core ..I will be using it in company as well
[12:57] <TrendKill> cycom, well, at that point you know its really critical
[12:58] <rotem> can someone help me it seems that my ubuntu cant sudo but it can su -c
[12:58] <Twiggy> eruin:  How'd you deal with this automake 1.7 trash?
[12:58] <god_2> I love god
[12:58] <thoreauputic> rotem: use visudo to edit the /etc/sudoers file
[12:58] <cycom> I think I'll also know when my leg hair starts burning off
[12:58] <membreya> ompaul: I did a tcpdump -lvv |grep ubuntu and it's getting "bad udp cksum" :|
[12:59] <ompaul> pill, fedora core is not a production level operating system, it is what Red Hat term " testing ground and possible roadmap" hrumph
[12:59] <rotem> thoreauputic, im using a vanilla hoary everything seems fidn except the ~fqdn, shoudl i remove it?
[12:59] <spanglesontoast> fedora sucks I switched.
[12:59] <ompaul> membreya, so you need to fix your repositries
[12:59] <membreya> how so ? :P
[12:59] <spanglesontoast> anyway the loo calls
[01:00] <thoreauputic> ~fqdn ?
[01:00] <pill> my company use it..so is my friend in school ..
[01:00] <pill> I will keep my computer Ubuntued
[01:00] <spanglesontoast> lol
[01:00] <spanglesontoast> haven't left
[01:01] <spanglesontoast> well it isn't the toilet talking
[01:01] <spanglesontoast> I'll stop there....
[01:01] <lucychili> eep
[01:01] <ompaul> membreya, as thoreauputic said
[01:01] <ompaul> membreya, maybe not
[01:01] <ompaul> membreya, ignore me I am asleep
[01:02] <ompaul> it is midnight and I am in work at 8
[01:02] <membreya> :(
[01:02] <ompaul> byeeee
[01:02] <lucychili> night
[01:02] <ompaul> membreya, grab the file and figure it out later?
[01:02] <TrendKill> is ubuntu considering chaging the runlevel format to say, a more slackware-style format...make life a bit more simple?
[01:03] <SysFail> seems simple enough now
[01:03] <deville_75> how do i get into root user?
[01:03] <thoreauputic> TrendKill: heh - debian style distros don't use runlevels much at all
[01:03] <TrendKill> sysfail, i find its a pain...
[01:03] <synic> deville_75: sudo /bin/bash will give you a root shell
[01:03] <deville_75> k....
[01:03] <thoreauputic> TrendKill: 2 is default for most things
[01:03] <jetthe> deville_75: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo for more info
[01:04] <deville_75> k
[01:04] <deville_75> but wut password do i put for it synic?
[01:04] <synic> your user password
[01:04] <deville_75> k
[01:04] <yg_home> what time is the release scheduled for today ?
[01:04] <TrendKill> thoreauputic, its just im reading through the update-rc.d man page and it looks really "heavy"
[01:04] <KarlosII_> what release?
[01:05] <yg_home> KarlosII_: wasn't 5.04 supposed to be released today
[01:05] <TrendKill> thoreauputic, im used to just having rc.d directory...whatever script is in it and executable runs at boot up
[01:05] <dockane> hi all ... my question is maybe a bit offtopic but anyway: i ve got 2 text files here (plain text). Both files are lists with one word per line. how do i copy one file to the other so  that in the end there is one file with two entries  per line ?
[01:05] <KarlosII_> news to me but then I haven't been on top of the news
[01:05] <deville_75> wut command in terminal is to copy files?
[01:05] <thoreauputic> TrendKill: the rough equivalent is /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[01:06] <thoreauputic> TrendKill: but using it is deprecated ;-)
[01:06] <thoreauputic> of course...
[01:06] <thoreauputic> just to make life interesting...
[01:06] <TrendKill> thoreauputic, i was about to edit it...lol
[01:06] <synic> deville_75: you may want to google for a tutorial on some basic unix commands, just so you're not totally in the dark.
[01:07] <thoreauputic> TrendKill: you can - but it might get overwritten by updates
[01:07] <deville_75> k
[01:07] <deville_75> hehe
[01:07] <TrendKill> thoreauputic, i sort of like using sysv-rc-conf...but it seems like overkill
[01:07] <jasp> deville_75:  cp
[01:08] <TrendKill> thoreauputic, i guess i cant have everything..lol...
[01:08] <thoreauputic> TrendKill: Thou shalt follow the Debian Way!
[01:09] <thoreauputic> "No -one expects the Spanish Incquisition!"
[01:09] <nooneyouknow> pill, sorry mate, watching tvtime.
[01:09] <nooneyouknow> yeah yeah im in the uk.
[01:09] <TrendKill> thoreauputic, no! you must have updated packages! i dont want to use kernel 2,2
[01:09] <rotem> can someone help me sudo doesnt work and im using a vanilla 5.04 RC install
[01:09] <thoreauputic> TrendKill: heh - that's a myth
[01:09] <MrParker> har
[01:10] <MrParker> anyone mind throwing me a hand with something?
[01:10] <MrParker> :P
[01:10] <Parallax__> anyone qith an iPAQ ???
[01:10] <MrParker> sweet
[01:10] <MrParker> anyway
[01:10] <TrendKill> thoreauputic, i shouldnt talk too loud being a slacker...2,6 isnt officially supported
[01:10] <Twiggy> Parallax__:  I do
[01:10] <MrParker> my problem is I have a sata drive, its mounted to /media/sata but I cant change the permissions on it to view it normally with nautilus
[01:10] <Parallax__> can u sync it with evolution ??
[01:10] <MrParker> its registered to root as read only
[01:10] <nooneyouknow> yeah yeah, how come so many people in this channel are from the uk?
[01:10] <deville_75> can someone help, i put in my usb flash memory and it worked the first time, but now its saying im not the owner
[01:11] <nooneyouknow> is this a local channel?
[01:11] <MrParker> now, its NTFS file system
[01:11] <nooneyouknow> youll have to forgive me, im quite new to irc.
[01:11] <nooneyouknow> :)
[01:11] <rotem> hwo is the sudo fiel suppose dot look like?
[01:11] <pill> noneyouknow, nevermind, mate.
[01:11] <TrendKill> nooneyouknow, im in canada
[01:11] <Parallax__>  Twiggy : Can u sync it with evolution ?
[01:11] <lucychili> noone - im from australia
[01:11] <nooneyouknow> i see i see.
[01:11] <thoreauputic> nooneyouknow: Australia here
[01:11] <nooneyouknow> my bad.
[01:11] <deville_75> any one know about file ownerships in Ubuntu?
[01:11] <thoreauputic> nooneyouknow: we ignore Brits ;-)
[01:12] <nooneyouknow> deville_75, what do you need to know about them?
[01:12] <pill> you know, guess it is just the time not working
[01:12] <TrendKill> lucychili, i just wanted to say hello to someone that is on the other side of the world
[01:12] <deville_75> well i used my USB flash memory and its saying i donnt have owner permissions
[01:12] <lucychili> greets trendkill
[01:12] <nooneyouknow> ive always found it quite warm and toasty in here actually, thoreauputic. ;)
[01:12] <pill> people here are very helpful..
[01:12] <nooneyouknow> right right, ive got an mp3 player with flash
[01:12] <TrendKill> lucychili, you guys are feeling the autumn?
[01:13] <deville_75> how do i fixc it? cuz the first time it worked
[01:13] <lucychili> its been oddly hot
[01:13] <Arnia> Well... I'm looking to change my origin to County Durham ;)
[01:13] <deville_75> it didnt say nething like taht
[01:13] <lucychili> summer was oddly cool
[01:13] <thoreauputic> nooneyouknow: hehe - yeah you guys are OK - pity you can't play your national game ;-)
[01:13] <nooneyouknow> when imount to it, i just write to it with sudo or su terminal.
[01:13] <Arnia> We make sports, we don't play them
[01:13] <lucychili> its sort of autumny today
[01:13] <deville_75> ohh
[01:13] <thoreauputic> rofl @ Arnia
[01:13] <TrendKill> lucychili, its been cold here...although lately, spring is creeping in
[01:13] <nooneyouknow> damn, thoreauputic, sorry i said it now. didnt mean to offend ;)
[01:13] <deville_75> how do i write in Terminal?
[01:13] <lucychili> nice
[01:13] <thoreauputic> Arnia: that's so true!
[01:13] <dazed_> why cant wine work just 1 time :(
[01:14] <Twiggy> Parallax__:  Yeah, with multisync and the evo plugin
[01:14] <Arnia> Its a national export... sports, games and passtimes
[01:14] <nooneyouknow> as in, open the root terminal and copy what you want across with cp.
[01:14] <frank> what is the root password on my ssytem? the one you use for   su  ?
[01:14] <TrendKill> dazed_, wine is written by programmers, its has to start by running 0 times first
[01:14] <Parallax__> Twiggy: Was it hard, cause I tried and i cant get it to work
[01:14] <frank> i can sudo with my password but not   su
[01:14] <deville_75> i hav no clue wut ur talking about
[01:14] <thoreauputic> Arnia: the Brits even invented the ski slalom, for heaven's sake!
[01:14] <nooneyouknow> if theres a better way, please tell me, because every morning im copying my mp3s across to this tiny dodgy korien player ive got.
[01:14] <deville_75> im new to Ubuntu and Linux
[01:15] <Fah> Hello, can someone tell me how to get the device files created in a chrooted envrionment in ubuntu? I'm trying to get my install of hoary working
[01:15] <nooneyouknow> there is no root password, frank.
[01:15] <dazed_> whatever that means trendkill
[01:15] <lucychili> frank i think this is the link you need - others feel free too correct me if im off the mark
[01:15] <lucychili> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo for more info
[01:15] <nooneyouknow> when you try and do anything as root, it asks you for your user password.
[01:15] <TrendKill> dazed_, sorry, one too many beers
[01:15] <Twiggy> Parallax__:  It can be a process, I had more trouble with getting hotplugging running well though
[01:16] <thoreauputic> lucychili: spot on
[01:16] <nooneyouknow> hello?
[01:16] <Brunellus> a toenail of thugness?
[01:16] <Brunellus> what is this, NetHack?
[01:16] <Fah> ah, nevermind. found what I needed
[01:16] <rotem> lucychili, how should my /etc/sudoers fiel look like?
[01:16] <lucychili> hehe
[01:17] <nooneyouknow> yeah yeah, deville_75 , what lucychili said....
[01:17] <frank> lucychili: thanks
[01:17] <pill> gonna leave, cheers, mates
[01:17] <nooneyouknow> later
[01:17] <Parallax__> Twiggy: EVERYTHING is working for you or is there something missing ?
[01:17] <rotem> lucychili, i dont mean to be a pin but when i installed i set a root passwd (no i disabled) and i cant seem to sudo
[01:18] <nooneyouknow> what happens when you try to sudo, rotem ?
[01:18] <rotem> nooneyouknow, asks for password and even when i entered the rihgt one it didnt work
[01:18] <nooneyouknow> the right one being your user password, right?
[01:19] <thoreauputic> lucychili: too late to retract, you are now a fully fledged tech thug ;-)
[01:19] <rotem> no root passwd
[01:19] <fruggle> rotem: no enter user passwd
[01:19] <nooneyouknow> there is no root password on ubuntu.
[01:19] <rotem> i mad e so it would be
[01:19] <deville_75> u can set it tho
[01:19] <nooneyouknow> you can set one, but because you are an sudoes
[01:19] <nooneyouknow> sorry, sudoer...
[01:19] <deville_75> but so many files are locked
[01:19] <rotem> and now it says that im nto in sudoers
[01:19] <nooneyouknow> then it asks you for your password.
[01:19] <deville_75> i cant even send a file from my user acount to another user
[01:19] <deville_75> isnt ther a shared file or somethign?
[01:20] <thoreauputic> rotem: you need to edit the sudoers file with visudo
[01:20] <rotem> thoreauputic, how it says im not root
[01:20] <nooneyouknow> but, im not an expert, so please dont follow my advice too closely!
[01:20] <thoreauputic> rotem: hmm - you disabled root as well?
[01:20] <rotem> thoreauputic, if u tell what to edit ill reboot into my other distro and change it
[01:20] <rotem> thoreauputic, ya
[01:20] <deville_75> are there any experts here?
[01:21] <thoreauputic> rotem: you are in fairly deep ###
[01:21] <lucychili> if the file is yours and you want to share it. right click and choose properties and set the permissions so the group can edit it which you want to share with
[01:21] <deville_75> hmmm
[01:21] <holycow> speaking of sharing ...
[01:21] <Burgundavia> rotem: reboot in single user mode
[01:21] <lucychili> if the file is theirs aske them to do that for you
[01:21] <deville_75> kool
[01:21] <holycow> how do i setup read/write file sharing between allusers on a multiuser system?
[01:21] <lucychili> you can create a separate group that a few people join
[01:21] <rotem> thoreauputic, ill reboot into another distro and ill brb
[01:21] <thoreauputic> rotem: you can try booting with init=/bin/bash and editing /etc/sudoers, but I don't know if it will work
[01:21] <lucychili> or add specific people to your own group
[01:22] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic: single user mode does that
[01:22] <lucychili> holycow add them all to a all users group
[01:22] <holycow> so if i create a group shared, and add all users to that group, all users in that group will have r/w permissions?
[01:22] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: but AFAIK single user mode still asks for a root pass ?
[01:22] <holycow> oh okay
[01:22] <lucychili> they can do
[01:22] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic: nope
[01:22] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic: boots you straight into root console
[01:22] <lucychili> but they need to set the file as being a shared file
[01:23] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: OK so init 1 would do it
[01:23] <holycow> for every single file?
[01:23] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic: there is an option on the grub menu
[01:23] <Burgundavia> recovery mode
[01:23] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: right I see
[01:23] <holycow> oh i see what you are saying
[01:23] <lucychili> you can create shared directories with recursive permissions so they can save into a shared space which will affect the flavour of permission on teh file
[01:23] <holycow> i was thinking of creating a shared account, and just symlinking that users home dir as a shared dir to all users
[01:24] <thoreauputic> bach was a bloody genius...
[01:24] <holycow> lucychili, oh! i didn't know that!
[01:24] <thoreauputic> sorry, losing it here...maybe time for a sleep
[01:24] <lucychili> =)
[01:24] <holycow> okay that answer that question, now i know what to google for
[01:24] <holycow> thank you :)
[01:24] <Servo8888> Define a bloody genius...
[01:24] <lucychili> cheers
[01:24] <lucychili> bit red around the edges?
[01:24] <rotem> thoreauputic: i can now edit teh file
[01:24] <thoreauputic> rotem: cool
[01:25] <nooneyouknow> i love the file.
[01:25] <rotem> thoreauputic: the last lien says root  ALL=(ALL) ALL
[01:25] <holycow> lucychili, haha, funny
[01:25] <thoreauputic> Servo8888: just listen to his music...
[01:25] <MrParker> how do I get non-binary drivers?
[01:25] <Servo8888> rotem u3e3 t3h l33t sp3@k.
[01:25] <lucychili> =)
[01:25] <rotem> Servo8888: no i just 2:30 AM
[01:25] <rotem> thoreauputic: what should it be?
[01:26] <thoreauputic> rotem: user ALL=(ALL) ALL
[01:26] <dockane> i ve got a simple task here but it will get very annoying if i dont find a way to get it automatically done : 2 text files, every line hast got 1 word. now i would like to get them together so that the 1st  line consists of the word of the 1st lines from both files and so on. any idea how to manage that ?
[01:26] <thoreauputic> where user is you
[01:26] <thoreauputic> leave the root one as is
[01:27] <dockane> btw i do not want to copy and paste each word by
[01:27] <nooneyouknow> haha, id say thoreauputic is an expert :)
[01:27] <dockane> hand
[01:27] <nooneyouknow> thoreauputic, , you're pretty hardcor.
[01:27] <thoreauputic> nooneyouknow: am I?
[01:27] <nooneyouknow> *hardcore
[01:27] <rotem> thoreauputic: thx
[01:28] <thoreauputic> rotem: I hope you used visudo - it will tell you if you stuffed up
[01:29] <nooneyouknow> well, mate, ive only been here for about half an hour and you seem to be sorting peoples problems out. thats hardcore to me ;)
[01:29] <dockane> maybe a bash script will do that ?
[01:30] <spanglesontoast> where is system-config-soundcard?
[01:30] <rotem> thoreauputic: yes i did and now ill restart
[01:31] <nooneyouknow> sorry, dockane , i dont know the answer offhand, but maybe these will help? http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
[01:31] <nooneyouknow> dockane, http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO.html#toc1
[01:32] <spanglesontoast> anyone?
[01:32] <Fah> Whates the program that runs on first boot to finish an install?
[01:32] <nooneyouknow> as a general programmer (although ive never used bash) if you can detect carriage returns, just slot the word in before it, then carry on.
[01:33] <dockane> nooneyouknow, that will get interesting. me and bash scripting. i will try
[01:33] <blahrus> is there a meta package for the files needed to build from source?
[01:33] <Jerub> no
[01:33] <Jerub> it has build-de
[01:33] <spanglesontoast> is there system-config-soundcard?
[01:33] <rotem> thoreauputic, thank you very much it worked
[01:33] <blahrus> Jerub: what do I need? build-de?
[01:34] <nooneyouknow> dockane, if you ask around, im sure someone can give you a proper answer. sorry for the RTFM bullshit. :)
[01:34] <thoreauputic> rotem: cool - you're welcome :)
[01:34] <Jerub> blahrus: apt-get build-dep <packagename>
[01:34] <Jerub> blahrus: will install the packages required to build a package.
[01:34] <dockane> nooneyouknow, i am used to it from the debian channel
[01:34] <blahrus> Jerub: thaks :)
[01:34] <libben> im trying to unrar a file... and it going shit =)
[01:34] <Fah> so nobody knows how I can finish this install?
[01:35] <libben> unrar -e -y file.rar
[01:35] <libben> but noooo
[01:35] <libben> =)
[01:35] <thoreauputic> nooneyouknow: I have a very hard-core bash script pizza timer I wrote, if you're interested ;-)
[01:35] <libben> anyone ?=
[01:35] <thoreauputic> nooneyouknow: complete with pretty boxes :)
[01:35] <libben> thoreauputic, send me the file
[01:35] <nooneyouknow> haha, sorry, its just i dont know how to solve your problem. it sounds pretty generic though. maybe you could try some other linux channels?
[01:35] <libben> oo... gui also ? =)
[01:35] <thoreauputic> libben: you'll need Xdialog installed as well
[01:35] <nooneyouknow> thoreauputic, goddamn, how did you know?
[01:35] <fruggle> thoreauptic: yea im interested too!
[01:36] <libben> how do i check if i have it installed... ? i dont wanna start synaptic... mouse is to far away.
[01:36] <libben> how do i check with apt ?
[01:36] <thoreauputic> http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/Timer_Script.html  << links to the script at the botto of the page :)
[01:36] <nooneyouknow> thoreauputic, i send emails to ibm about every week! they never reply, though...
[01:36] <spanglesontoast> the website for ubuntu has changed
[01:36] <thoreauputic> *bottom
[01:36] <dockane> thoreauputic, would you be so kind and tell me what i need to get a bash script running to that text file job ?
[01:37] <CarlK> how can I measure how much CPU a command used?  (trying to figure out what scp cipher is kindest)
[01:37] <dockane> *do
[01:37] <thoreauputic> dockane: you mistake me - my bash scripting skills are rudimentary and specific to pizza timers ;-)
[01:37] <hyphenated> CarlK: 'time' will report CPU time
[01:38] <hyphenated> CarlK: eg: time scp somefile remote_machine:~
[01:38] <Fah> anyone know what packages are installed by default in hoary?
[01:38] <nooneyouknow> aw, thoreauputic mate, you werent kidding! thats l33t bash coding skills! pizza pizza pizza!
[01:38] <hyphenated> it'll tell you wall-clock time, userspace time, and system-space time
[01:38] <thoreauputic> nooneyouknow: hehe
[01:38] <CarlK> hyphenated - cool - knew about time, wasn't sure if thats what I wanted ;)
[01:38] <fruggle> Fah: what are you looking for?
[01:39] <nooneyouknow> 3 different pizza eating realities. youre making me hungry. i might have to leave soon.
[01:39] <Fah> fruggle: I'm having a hard time  with the install. I need to re-run the second stage pacakge installer
[01:39] <CarlK> so userspace is what I want?
[01:39] <dockane> thoreauputic, so bash script manual is my friend. nobody inhere with mercy for me ?
[01:39] <Fah> Sort of like task-sel in debian
[01:39] <lamont_r> Fah: task ubuntu-desktop
[01:40] <Fah> My disks are in a weird state, it installed grub in the wrong place. So I booted off another disk, chrooted into the base install and fixed grub
[01:40] <lamont_r> and task: ubuntu-base for server install
[01:40] <Fah> then after it booted, the network has issues, so I'm
[01:40] <thoreauputic> dockane: I've forgotten what you were trying to do and I haven't had any sleep for about 24 hours...
[01:40] <Fah> lamont_r: thanks!
[01:40] <lamont_r> there are also ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop
[01:40] <Fah> actually, that command doesn't exist
[01:40] <Fah> know what package its in?
[01:40] <gilesw> evenin all
[01:40] <dockane> thoreauputic, thats tough
[01:40] <lamont_r> fah: apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop
[01:40] <nooneyouknow> dockane, it sounds as if youre going to have to write your own script. it is quite a specific thing you're looking for.
[01:40] <xvlun> is inotify included in recent hoary kernels?
[01:41] <lamont_r> apt-get install ~tubuntu-desktop
[01:41] <lamont_r> xvlun: yes
[01:41] <thoreauputic> dockane: bash scripting isn't too hard - even I can do it ;-)
[01:41] <Fah> thank you
[01:41] <thoreauputic> sort of...
[01:42] <Fah> that was the missing piece, I just had to jump up and down to get the bootleader to coopeerate with me
[01:42] <nooneyouknow> but, dockane, its not ubuntu specific. why dont you try some of the other channels>  ive never done any scriting, but im sure there are some bash channels you can ask, no?
[01:42] <dockane> nooneyouknow, i heared it is one of the first chapters of a bash scripting faq. yeeeehaaa : i'll get a bash programmer
[01:42] <lamont_r> Fah: the actual lists are at http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/hoary/
[01:42] <_ReDRuM_> whats the correct way to set fqdn in ubuntu?
[01:42] <xvlun> do i need a special boot command to octivate this feature?
[01:42] <thoreauputic> wtf is fqdn?
[01:42] <lamont_r> _ReDRuM_: make sure one of your IP's is in /etc/hosts with the fqdn, seems to be about the best I've found
[01:42] <nooneyouknow> really? hardcore mate! dockane , took me about half an hour this morning to figure out how to run bash podder!
[01:43] <membreya> ello _ReDRuM_ :)
[01:43] <_ReDRuM_> hi
[01:43] <Fah> lamont_r: you essentially answered the question I had. I just wanted to finish installing the desktop
[01:43] <lamont_r> xvlun: is on unless you specifically disable it
[01:43] <_ReDRuM_> fqdn = fully qualified domain name (www.foobar.com)
[01:43] <lamont_r> thoreauputic: fully quallified domain name
[01:43] <gilesw> why has ubuntu become so popular so quickly?
[01:43] <thoreauputic> nooneyouknow: as a bash script, bashpodder sucks...
[01:43] <Fah> I'm running it at work and like it. If it weren't for the weird disk setup at home, the install would have been flawless
[01:43] <thoreauputic> frankly
[01:43] <lamont_r> gilesw: because it rocks? :-)
[01:43] <gilesw> heh
[01:43] <SamuelGZ> How can i run java on X? I added exports for java but only makes sense on non X terminals
[01:43] <gilesw> i only read good things about it..
[01:44] <Fah> Evidently the installer doesn't like when you boot off disks on a pci IDE controler instead of the onboard IDE controler
[01:44] <dockane> nooneyouknow, what is a bash podder ?
[01:44] <nooneyouknow> thoreauputic mate, trying to figure out how to run it, thats why i was looking for the FAQs :/
[01:44] <gilesw> i'm finally getting round to running linux on my desktop machine
[01:44] <nooneyouknow> dockane, its just a podcast prog.
[01:44] <_ReDRuM_> lamont_r it will set itself i do that? hm.
[01:44] <gilesw> trying to decide which distro
[01:44] <thoreauputic> dockane: it downloads podcasts
[01:44] <lamont_r> _ReDRuM_: has for me
[01:44] <gilesw> am tempted by gentoo..
[01:44] <thoreauputic> dockane: mp3s and oggs etc
[01:44] <_ReDRuM_> thats unusual you usually have to put it there and somewhere eles (like /etc/hostname for host name is normal)
[01:44] <lamont_r> although I set it on <IP_ADDRESS> :-)
[01:44] <_ReDRuM_> gilesw - it's evil.
[01:44] <lamont_r> /etc/hostname is a good thing to fix too
[01:44] <gilesw> but i like tweaking
[01:44] <gilesw> heh
[01:45] <gilesw> it's what i do on winblows
[01:45] <nooneyouknow> its alright, if you want to use podcasts id suggest you alien ipodder, dockane. i tried it on debian it worked fine.
[01:45] <_ReDRuM_> if you have 20 years to fix everything gentoo is ok
[01:45] <gilesw> ahh
[01:45] <lamont_r> gilesw: so download and build, not terribly bad
[01:45] <] BreliC[> Fah: I was going to install Ubuntu soon and also have a weird disk setup (about 5 partitions).. anything I should know?
[01:45] <e_machinist> Anyone familiar with Xfce4?
[01:45] <thoreauputic> nooneyouknow: have you used streamripper?
[01:45] <nooneyouknow> a lot more user friendly then bashpodder, altough bashpodder is pretty good once you figure out what the fuck is going on.
[01:46] <Fah> ] BreliC[: it wasn't the partitions, it was the number and configuration of dissssks
[01:46] <_ReDRuM_> gilesw: not sure how i can do this cause my IP is on DHCP
[01:46] <thoreauputic> nooneyouknow: bashpodder lacks error checks and is poorly coded, IMNSHO
[01:46] <_ReDRuM_> id rather not change <IP_ADDRESS> to be things other than localhost
[01:46] <] BreliC[> Fah_: Ahh, thanks
[01:46] <_ReDRuM_> nevermind ill just grep through the init scripts...
[01:46] <nooneyouknow> thoreauputic, yeah yeah ive tried it, thoreauputic. used ot use it to rip somafm channels. finest radio station in the world, back when they had squid radio drum and bass!
[01:46] <lamont_r> _ReDRuM_: the fqdn comes back from libc these days, haven't dug through any other way to set it
[01:46] <] BreliC[> is Ubuntu crippled in any way like the new SuSE 9.3 will be?
[01:46] <] BreliC[> i mean in respect with multimedia
[01:46] <_ReDRuM_> lamont_r it will be set with the hostname command in the init scripts ill wager.
[01:47] <Fah> ] BreliC[: FWIW the debian installer handled my setup just fine. Hoary might get fixed, I dunno
[01:47] <_ReDRuM_>  /etc/init.d/hostname.sh:        hostname --file /etc/hostname <--- theres the hostname, now wheres the domain name...
[01:47] <nooneyouknow> thoreauputic, i really wouldnt know. i actually have a computer science degree, but they really dont teach you shit apart from the high level stuff. when we all start coding in python, im set for life!
[01:47] <thoreauputic> :)
[01:47] <lamont_r> _ReDRuM_: go for it
[01:47] <e_machinist> Does anyone know how to add an item to the Xfce menu?
[01:47] <nooneyouknow> :)
[01:47] <lamont_r> it's not
[01:48] <_ReDRuM_> dnsdomainname isnt set by init scripts :/
[01:48] <_ReDRuM_> wheres the "ubuntu setup howto" page? :)
[01:48] <nooneyouknow> what do you mean, _ReDRuM_ ? what are you looking for?
[01:48] <libben> i dont get what i gain from signing up at ubuntu site
[01:49] <libben> except  being part of it
[01:49] <_ReDRuM_> nooneyouknow: the correct way to configure dnsdomainname for ubuntu
[01:49] <membreya> is it safe to clear out my /tmp directory?
[01:49] <gilesw> hrm i may just give it a go, will it install on ich5 with a 3c940 nic ?
[01:49] <libben> can i write in the forum.. or do i need to create a new account for that
[01:49] <nooneyouknow> libben, eternel youth and some sort of rightous satisfaction?
[01:49] <aquarius> How do I set up my machine to forward packets? Incoming packets on one interface destined for the network connected to another interface are not being forwarded. I've echoed 1 into /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward.
[01:49] <gilesw> asus p4p800, not exactly new hardware
[01:49] <_ReDRuM_> rather than just putting it in rc.local or something it must get the info from somewhere.
[01:49] <thoreauputic> libben: that's a good enough reason - you are now part of the community, are you not?
[01:49] <e_machinist> Does anyone know how to add an item to the Xfce menu?
[01:49] <lamont_r> membreya: /tmp is tmpfs in hoary, gets cleared every reboot....  if that helps you decide...
[01:49] <libben> ofcuz it is.
[01:49] <membreya> ta lamont :) it's just that it's getting slightly large ;)
[01:49] <nooneyouknow> ah, _ReDRuM_ sorry mate, not knowledgeable enough to help you.
[01:50] <libben> i just wanted to know if there is something more to it =)
[01:50] <libben> like i will be able to post in the forum
[01:50] <lamont_r> membreya: there are things in there that may want to stay for the current life of the machine, mindyou
[01:50] <membreya> lamont_r: it's 1.5gb :)
[01:50] <blahrus> Jerub: can I ask you another question?
[01:50] <thoreauputic> libben: I don't know if that requires separate registration
[01:50] <membreya> most of it is video files apparently :|
[01:50] <blahrus> lamont_r: thanks!
[01:51] <lamont_r> sorry - couldn't resist
[01:51] <blahrus> no biggie
[01:51] <jblack> Has something changed with the ipw2200? It no longer works on my laptop
[01:52] <lamont_r> blahrus: maybe I can answer the question yo uwanted to ask
[01:52] <blahrus> lamont_r: you know much about building from source via apt?
[01:52] <lamont_r> jblack: it should work.
[01:52] <lamont_r> blahrus: I run the buildds for ubuntu
[01:52] <gilesw> how do these canomical guys make enough money to support ubuntu ?
[01:52] <lamont_r> so, um, yeah
[01:52] <gilesw> what if they run out of money?
[01:52] <lamont_r> gilesw: google for Mark Shuttleworth
[01:52] <jblack> lamont_r: Ok. How do I convince it that its working, because it's giving a good impression of not working right now. ;)
[01:52] <nooneyouknow> they only have a team of about 10, gilesw
[01:52] <gilesw> k
[01:52] <blahrus> lamont_r: wellllll alright ;) can I PM you the error I am getting while trying to build transcode
[01:52] <lamont_r> jblack: truthfully, nfc
[01:52] <gilesw> lol
[01:52] <gilesw> oh
[01:53] <gilesw> they must work hard
[01:53] <viol-> like
[01:53] <viol-> is it safe to update o woary?
[01:53] <gilesw> what if they all die..
[01:53] <nooneyouknow> so, hopefully, they wont for a while. also, the main guy has $300 mil, gilesw
[01:53] <lamont_r> blahrus: sure, why not
[01:53] <nooneyouknow> always possible though.
[01:53] <lamont_r> viol-: it better be
[01:53] <nooneyouknow> maybe a necrotic ubuntu team
[01:53] <nooneyouknow> ?
[01:53] <jblack> lamont: Would it help any if I said it worked in rescue mode but not normal mode?
[01:53] <|QuaD-> hey all, i am looking to make a demo of software i created (like a movie), i don't have vnc setup, you know of any other ways to do it?
[01:54] <nooneyouknow> they'd work twice as hard, surely?
[01:54] <gilesw> wicked this mark dude has some dollar
[01:54] <membreya> lamont_r: lol, just went to /tmp/kde-membreya and removed *.part (vid files) and freed up 1.4gb :P
[01:54] <nooneyouknow> yeah yeah, but more importantly hes a hardcore philanthrapist.
[01:54] <nooneyouknow> anyways, got to go to bed.
[01:54] <thoreauputic> there's a whole bunch of guys called the Masters of the Universe as well :)
[01:54] <nooneyouknow> later.
[01:55] <lamont_r> jblack: it would be relevant if I knew much of anything about the firmware blobs
[01:55] <CarlK> |QuaD- do you want live/real time, or pre-recorded?
[01:55] <lamont_r> have you rebooted since the last dist-upgrade?
[01:55] <nooneyouknow> haha, yeah, heard about it and instantly thought man o' war.
[01:55] <nooneyouknow> anyways, later.
[01:55] <|QuaD-> CarlK: prerecorded
[01:56] <jblack> lamont: Same here.
[01:56] <CarlK> |QuaD- http://mail.unixuser.org/~euske/vnc2swf
[01:56] <|QuaD-> CarlK: i don't have vnc though
[01:57] <CarlK> is that what you don't want to do?
[01:57] <CarlK> so install VNC
[01:57] <|QuaD-> CarlK: thats the idea i want, without vnc though
[01:57] <CarlK> why not vnc?
[01:57] <jimbow> hmm there seems to be a problem with the unbuntu website
[01:57] <|QuaD-> don't want vnc on my comp (security reasons)
[01:58] <idn_1> has anyone had any luck with skype on AMD64 hoary?
[01:58] <CarlK> |QuaD- um... good luck.
[01:58] <jimbow> is it normal when someone logs in that they can change the content of the pages...
[01:58] <lamont_r> Jimbob: www.ubuntu.com?
[01:58] <lamont_r> jimbow: on the wiki, yes
[01:58] <jimbow> i can change the content of the support page
[01:58] <bluefoxicy> what the hell
[01:58] <bluefoxicy> fuck this
[01:58] <bluefoxicy> i'm not getting two accounts to log universe bugs
[01:59] <bluefoxicy> I'll just file them in ubuntu's regular bugzilla
[01:59] <bluefoxicy> and let the devs bitch
[01:59] <idn_1> i can run the one with the static qt libs installed but it looks a bit lame, i want to install it with a dynamic link to the library
[01:59] <dazed|> anyone have a problem with hoary freezing when running firefox?
[01:59] <lamont_r> bluefoxicy: expect ubuntu's main bz to move into malone shortly
[01:59] <Vjaz> Works fine her.
[01:59] <Vjaz> (Firefox in Hoary)
[02:00] <membreya> idn_1: I could only get static to work
[02:00] <bluefoxicy> lamont:  into what?
[02:00] <jimbow> lamont_r: should i be able to change the content of the support page?
[02:00] <bluefoxicy> lamont:  the thing is sending me to launchpad and telling me to log in or register
[02:00] <lamont_r> the bug tracking system for universe
[02:00] <stranger> wow there sure are a lot of signs up today on the web about all kinds of multimedia apps being shut down
[02:00] <bluefoxicy> I have a bugzilla account
[02:00] <lamont_r> jimbow: I expect not
[02:00] <idn_1> hmmm, that sucks, the static one looks so lame on mine, what about on yours?
[02:00] <lamont_r> jimbow: and I passed your comment along
[02:00] <jimbow> ok thanks
[02:01] <bluefoxicy> lamont:  well then I'll switch accounts, but I've already got a hundred bugzilla accounts and forum accounts and stuff, somep eople have separate bugs/forums accounts, I don't want to have 5 accounts for one community
[02:01] <jimbow> i changed it - got my friend to check - then i changed it back
[02:01] <bluefoxicy> I don't care that gnome and ubuntu and debian have their own users, or that you need to subscribe to mailing lists; but it pisses me off to subscribe 50 times to use a bunch of web services for one foundary/site/group/community
[02:01] <stranger> mplayer, gstreamer,videolan, etc are all posing signs
[02:01] <stranger> i wonder what is going on.
[02:01] <stranger> does anybody know what is going on with the multimedia apps for linux
[02:01] <helloyo> wow, the site changed very quickly
[02:02] <serbo> when is the new kubuntu come up
[02:02] <lamont_r> jimbow: most all of it is a wiki, yes
[02:03] <jimbow> right ok
[02:03] <jimbow> ty
[02:03] <MrParker> huah
[02:03] <MrParker> how do I get non-binary ati driverS?
[02:03] <stranger> look at this sign by mplayer
[02:03] <MrParker> and futhermore, how would I freaking install them :P
[02:03] <stranger> http://mplayerhq.hu/homepage/index.html
[02:03] <lamont_r> bluefoxicy: will be in breezy
[02:03] <lamont_r> snort 2.3 that is
[02:04] <stranger> and that is just one...what is going on?
[02:04] <bluefoxicy> lamont:  heh
[02:04] <bluefoxicy> lamont:  i should probably start my own distro one day
[02:04] <lamont_r> bluefoxicy: given that it's in sid, it'll snap in when breezy opens
[02:04] <thoreauputic> stranger: it's the fight against patents in Europe
[02:04] <bluefoxicy> lamont:  that, or I should start meddling in Ubuntu politics
[02:04] <Riddell> serbo: same time as Ubuntu
[02:05] <spanglesontoast> it's microsoft
[02:05] <stranger> thoreauputic, this is serious...all the multimedia apps for linux are posting signs
[02:05] <spanglesontoast> trying to stop people
[02:05] <MrParker> oh come on, you all know you love microsoft
[02:05] <MrParker> they're great
[02:05] <thoreauputic> stranger: it is indeed serious
[02:05] <MrParker> (sarcasm)
[02:06] <serbo> Riddell: thanks
[02:06] <bluefoxicy> within reasonable testing of course
[02:06] <bluefoxicy> hence why I need my own distribution :o
[02:06] <lamont_r> bluefoxicy: getting new upstream versions in post upstream-version-freeze requires that it be a feature goal, pretty much
[02:06] <mackid> bye!
[02:06] <bluefoxicy> lamont_r:  I'm thinking more of a structural change to facilitate that exactly
[02:06] <stranger> bluefoxicy, if you want your own distro go get some help at linuxfromscratch
[02:07] <lamont_r> bluefoxicy: note that latest alpha and well tested are mutually exclusive
[02:07] <bluefoxicy> lamont_r:  heh :)
[02:07] <stranger> bluefoxicy, you will find all the answers there
[02:07] <spanglesontoast> MrParker i hate how everyone one loves them
[02:07] <lamont_r> bluefoxicy: just run sid if you want latest
[02:07] <lamont_r> that's fully tested by the developer before he uploads his package, or so I hear.
[02:07] <bur[n] er> someone put azureus from debian unstable into ubuntu!!!!
[02:08] <bur[n] er> please :)
[02:08] <bluefoxicy> stranger:  for me it's more 1) debian packaging (i.e. hack portage to build debs for me, screw that :); b) mirrors (who the hell is gonna give ME 10 gigs of storage and 500 gig a month bw)
[02:08] <stranger> bluefoxicy, but there won't be any distros if all the apps for linux are shutdown....something serious is going on
[02:08] <MrParker> someone help me with ati drivers :(
[02:08] <MrParker> im so stupid
[02:08] <lamont_r> bur[n] er: when did it show up in debian unstable?
[02:08] <libben> can u use webcam with gaim?
[02:08] <lamont_r> if it's not in hoary, it'll show up in breezy (assuming it's in sid)
[02:08] <bur[n] er> lamont_r: a couple weeks ago
[02:08] <spanglesontoast> think theres a version
[02:08] <bur[n] er> aw man
[02:08] <lamont_r> bur[n] er: breezy
[02:09] <spanglesontoast> source thou
[02:09] <bur[n] er> but i wanna tell people about hoary ;)
[02:09] <stranger> bluefoxicy, well there won't be any apps anyway for linux....something serious is going on today.
[02:09] <bluefoxicy> lamont:  i'm more thinking in terms of enterprise solutions :/
[02:09] <libben> or what do i use to stream to vmw ? so i can stream it
[02:09] <libben> can u use webcam with gaim?
[02:09] <libben> or what do i use to stream to vmw ? so i can stream it
[02:09] <lamont_r> bur[n] er: the cutoff for new software in hoary was end of december
[02:09] <kbrooks> stranger, wat apps
[02:09] <tritium> stranger, not just today.
[02:09] <bluefoxicy> Stranger:  there's tons of applications
[02:09] <kbrooks> can i .......
[02:09] <kbrooks> hrm.
[02:09] <bur[n] er> lamont_r: i hear ya... understandable for stability
[02:09] <lamont_r> MrParker: if it's supported by xorg, then you just get the right stuff.  If it needs binary-drivers, then you need the stuff from restricted.
[02:09] <stranger> all of them...gstreamer, totem, mplayer, xine, etc
[02:10] <kbrooks> OK
[02:10] <thoreauputic> stranger: microsoft supplies a good chunk of Irish tax revenue, and Ireland has the top guy in the EU at the moment - the rest is left as an (easy) exercise for the reader
[02:10] <stranger> oh...it is the Irish
[02:10] <lamont_r> bur[n] er: although I understand the frustration
[02:10] <kbrooks> i wonder. could i ..........
[02:10] <libben> can u use webcam with gaim?
[02:10] <kbrooks> yeah
[02:10] <libben> or what do i use to stream to vmw ? so i can stream it
[02:10] <lamont_r> I have several packages I'd like to have seen newer versions of
[02:11] <libben> anyone plz =)
[02:11] <kbrooks> libben, no.
[02:11] <libben> ok.. streaming?
[02:11] <kbrooks> not iirc
[02:11] <libben> any software for that
[02:11] <thoreauputic> stranger: not really - the Irish are just a sock puppet for MS
[02:12] <bur[n] er> lamont_r: it'd be different if it was in there at all ;)
[02:12] <bluefoxicy> thoreauputic:  ms is a shitty business.
[02:12] <bur[n] er> couldn't they be added to hoary-updates repository?
[02:12] <libben> so there is no streaming software that no one knows of?
[02:12] <bluefoxicy> if I were them i'd love linux
[02:12] <bluefoxicy> you know why?
[02:12] <bluefoxicy> because I'd have diversified my business long ago
[02:12] <bur[n] er> or is that not until after hoary is released?
[02:13] <bluefoxicy> AND WOULD BE CAPITALIZING ON OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE
[02:13] <lamont_r> bur[n] er: does it fix a significant bug in a supported piece of hoary?
[02:13] <IRCGuest0> hi!
[02:13] <lamont_r> libben: flumotion or such
[02:13] <lamont_r> but it's not gaim...
[02:13] <nullaresnata> hello, how do I change my console keyboard?
[02:14] <lamont_r> bur[n] er: hoary-security is for security/data-corruption type bugs.  hoary-updates is for release criticial bugs in hoary software
[02:14] <bur[n] er> lamont_r: rrrrrright... nevermind ;)
[02:14] <bur[n] er> gotcah
[02:14] <nullaresnata> I has not accents (i need accents).
[02:14] <bur[n] er> lamont_r: ie, firefox security updates?
[02:14] <libben> lamont, what is it then.,.. chat thing ?
[02:14] <lamont_r> bur[n] er: and yeah, it is annoying, etc.
[02:14] <lamont_r> libben: flumotion is a streaming thing - dunno
[02:14] <libben> i can accept just a streaming software
[02:14] <libben> ok
[02:14] <bur[n] er> no worries... i can always add debian repos temporarily for azureus :)
[02:15] <lamont_r> bur[n] er: note that mix-n-match ubuntu and debian is known to be fraught with peril
[02:15] <lamont_r> due to library differences and such underneath things
[02:15] <lamont_r> or you could just build from source, and have your own ubuntu repository
[02:16] <pfr> i just got the following error on install:  install grub boot loader on a hard disk failed, is this a big deal?
[02:16] <lamont_r> or see the forums about where folks are sticking stuff they've built since release
[02:16] <vessuvius> Anyone familiar with bind?  I have it working perfectly on my dns server, but I can't seem to get it to resolve for other machines on the network...
[02:16] <vessuvius> and I can ping the machine running bind from the other machines
[02:16] <lamont_r> vessuvius: as root, lsof -i :53
[02:16] <[HK] -r00t-> hiya, new to ubuntu, very impressed
[02:17] <vessuvius> lamont_r, on the dns machine?
[02:17] <[HK] -r00t-> although i am unable to get my snd-intel8x0 sound card to function
[02:17] <[HK] -r00t-> thinkpad t41
[02:17] <lamont_r> vessuvius: yeah - is it actually listening on other than <IP_ADDRESS>?
[02:17] <lamont_r> [HK] -r00t-: it may just be muted, or else selected the wrong device...
[02:18] <tbird> i just installed ubuntu and it never asked for a root passwd
[02:18] <tbird> is that normal
[02:18] <tbird> ?
[02:18] <Jerub> tbird: yep
[02:18] <lamont_r> tbird: very
[02:18] <Artemis3> yes
[02:18] <libben> there isnt any
[02:18] <Jerub> tbird: if you want to use root, use sudo :))
[02:18] <[HK] -r00t-> lamont, i checked to make sure it was not muted, and under prefrences>sound> i switched from OSS to intel audio
[02:18] <lamont_r> tbird: it's starred out
[02:18] <libben> u use the command "sudo"
[02:18] <lamont_r> [HK] -r00t-: ok.  no clue then
[02:18] <tbird> ic
[02:18] <tbird> so i sudo apt-get etc..
[02:18] <vessuvius> lamont_r, I got a listing , but I can't tell what ip its listening on
[02:19] <lamont_r> tbird: and if you really, really, really want a root password, then 'sudo passwd root'
[02:19] <tbird> ok
[02:19] <tbird> thnx
[02:19] <lamont_r> vessuvius: sorry... lsof -ni :53
[02:19] <lamont_r> which will give numbers instead of names
[02:19] <spanglesontoast> anyone know where I can grab ardi?
[02:19] <tritium> tbird, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo for more details
[02:20] <vessuvius> ok... named 7015 bind 23u IPv4 10552 UDP <IP_ADDRESS>:domain (LISTEN)
[02:20] <vessuvius> I assume that means its listening
[02:20] <vessuvius> wait...
[02:20] <[HK] -r00t-> anyone able to help with snd-intel8x0
[02:21] <vessuvius> it only says (LISTEN) for TCP, not for th UDP listings
[02:21] <lamont_r> sorry bout that
[02:22] <lamont_r> udp doesn't get LISTEN
[02:22] <vessuvius> ok
[02:22] <lamont_r> if it has a <IP_ADDRESS>:domain listing for udp, then it's there
[02:22] <EvilIdler> UDP is a "cross your fingers" protocol
[02:22] <thoreauputic> [HK] -r00t-: try selecting esd
[02:22] <lamont_r> so then the next question is to look at the config, etc.
[02:22] <[HK] -r00t-> thoreauputic,  its not available in volume control
[02:23] <lamont_r> vessuvius: you just did an install, nothing beyond that?  or did you addzones, etc?
[02:23] <vessuvius> I added zones
[02:23] <vessuvius> they load correctly, and I can resolve them on the dns machine itself
[02:23] <stranger> even kopete is posting a sign today
[02:23] <lamont_r> vessuvius: hrm..
[02:24] <lamont_r> anything in the log files ?
[02:24] <tbird> im the tbird that hangs in #linuxfriends
[02:24] <vessuvius> under options i have allow-query { <IP_ADDRESS>/24; };
[02:24] <lamont_r> tbird: the one at stanford a year or 3 back?
[02:24] <tbird> nah not me
[02:24] <lamont_r> 'sok
[02:24] <vessuvius> maybe that is causing a problem?  the machine I am trying to resolve from is <IP_ADDRESS>, the dns server is <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:24] <tbird> this just is not working
[02:24] <tbird> google loads
[02:25] <tbird> but nothing else
[02:25] <lamont_r> vessuvius: resolv.conf on the client points at .3?
[02:25] <tbird> well irssi does
[02:25] <tbird> but not xchat
[02:25] <vessuvius> the client is windows, dns points to <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:25] <tbird> sudo askes for a passwd
[02:25] <lamont_r> tbird: "doesn't load" ==?
[02:25] <tbird> which i have none
[02:25] <lamont_r> tbird: yeah, your password
[02:25] <tbird> oh
[02:26] <tbird> oh ok i got it
[02:26] <tbird> well the sudo part
[02:26] <vessuvius> lamont_r, I can switch over to a linux client if needed
[02:26] <etzerd> Hello room
[02:26] <stranger> here is one Irishman's response about the Ireland comment
[02:26] <lamont_r> vessuvius: but your server is running on .2....
[02:26] <stranger> The notice says that "The European commission has just passed its directive on software patents, violating democratic rules and procedures to the sole benefit of big non-European corporation and Ireland". As an Irish citizen, I'd like to know how the hell this benefits us.
[02:27] <etzerd> ?
[02:28] <etzerd> when ubuntu 5.04 will be release?
[02:28] <EvilIdler> stranger: It makes you used to live in a policestate?
[02:28] <MrParker> tomorrow
[02:28] <lamont_r> etzerd: sometime friday
[02:28] <etzerd> friday is tomorrow
[02:28] <Gaaruto> it's tomorow in paris !!!
[02:28] <lamont_r> MrParker: it may well be friday his time...
[02:28] <Gaaruto> lol
[02:28] <spanglesontoast> is it safe not to have a root password then?
[02:28] <stranger> i don't know what to think about anything
[02:28] <MrParker> lamont_r: Yeah well, I dont think before I say all the time :P
[02:28] <lamont_r> spanglesontoast: it's not that there's no password, it's that it's disabled
[02:29] <vessuvius> lamont_r, when I did the lsof command, it lists named a bunch of times, but there are different users... bind and root... and 4 different pids
[02:29] <lamont_r> MrParker: join the club
[02:29] <MrParker> lamont_r: In fact, I think you're wrong, the internet only exists here in canada, where it isnt friday anywhere yert
[02:29] <MrParker> yet
[02:29] <lamont_r> vessuvius: does the machine have more than one IP then?
[02:29] <MrParker> :P
[02:29] <spanglesontoast> kool so it's safe then?
[02:29] <vessuvius> no, just <IP_ADDRESS> and the loopback <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:29] <Dr_Aevil> stranger: don't get me started on that damn commission :(
[02:29] <EvilIdler> Hmm..20 gigs of webcam snapshots..I definitely think Motion was set a tad too ensitive
[02:30] <[HK] -r00t-> anyone able to help with snd-intel8x0
[02:30] <lamont_r> MrParker: Gore invented the internet just for canada? I don't think so!! :-)
[02:30] <vessuvius> how would I stop all of the named's from running?
[02:30] <lamont_r> vessuvius: then why should the client expect to get answers from .2 when it sends its requests to .3
[02:30] <lamont_r> ?
[02:30] <lamont_r> vessuvius: it's multithreaded - there is onmly one
[02:31] <vessuvius> I mispoke before, the client dns is set to .2, the client's ip is .3
[02:31] <[HK] -r00t-> anyone able to help with snd-intel8x0?
[02:31] <vessuvius> .2 is the dns server
[02:31] <spanglesontoast> can sudo do exactly the same as root would?
[02:31] <lamont_r> vessuvius: ah, ok
[02:32] <lamont_r> vessuvius: I'm one for overkill debugging tools....
[02:32] <vessuvius> let me see what the logs say
[02:32] <lamont_r> on the server, as root: tcpdump -n port 53
[02:32] <dcraven> spanglesontoast, yes.
[02:32] <lamont_r> then do a query on theclient
[02:32] <spanglesontoast> ah ok
[02:32] <spanglesontoast> fair enough
[02:32] <serbo> MrParker: you wrong man
[02:32] <spanglesontoast> just feels weird
[02:32] <vessuvius> thnx lamont_R
[02:32] <lamont_r> vessuvius: we're looking to see if the server is sending a response or not
[02:33] <lamont_r> tcpdump output is pretty easy to read....
[02:33] <vessuvius> ok
[02:33] <lamont_r> bbiab
[02:33] <folta> hy guys. does someone have an idea as to how i can get mplayer to handle real audio files, so i can use the bbc website?
[02:33] <loren> hey when did gnome-look.org come out? i'm interesting in trying gnome again rofl, more eyecandy lol
[02:34] <folta> by which i mean just play them, not work with firefox or owt
[02:34] <geneo93> needs real codecs
[02:34] <folta> geneo93, i don't get it, i thought one of the + points of mplayer is it has all the codecs
[02:34] <QMario> How do I enable localhost:631 to work.
[02:34] <geneo93> real and flash is exrta
[02:35] <geneo93> aleast it is in mandrake
[02:35] <loren> mandriva ;)
[02:35] <QMario> How do I enable localhost:631 to work?
[02:35] <dcraven> QMario, /etc/init.d/cupsd start
[02:36] <dcraven> QMario, that assumes you have cupsd installed.
[02:36] <QMario> Sorry, I meant from Firefox.
[02:36] <montana> can anyone help me? I'm trying to install mplayer but there are some errors. I don't want to post the cose in the main chat, so is anyone willing to try and help?
[02:36] <dcraven> QMario, just navigate there with firefox.... Type that address in the address bar like any other website.
[02:37] <dcraven> montana, paste it into pastebin.com
[02:37] <QMario> I do have CUPS installed, but for some reason it says that Administrative Tasks have been disabled.
[02:37] <sysrq> QMario: the web admin has been disabled, you have to use gnome-cups-manager or do it by hand
[02:38] <montana> dcraven, what do i put in for name? beside send?
[02:38] <QMario> What is the gnome-cups-manage?
[02:38] <QMario> How do I enable the web admin?
[02:38] <sysrq> ... you don't
[02:38] <sysrq> unless you want to recompile CUPS yourself
[02:38] <edgeoc> Can Ubuntu be installed on an Athlon 64 system?
[02:38] <dcraven> QMario, I wonder if this is relevent --> http://tinyurl.com/529q5
[02:39] <tritium> edgeoc, yep :)
[02:39] <montana> edgeoc, there is a seperate installer for AMD 64 systems
[02:39] <nullaresnata> hello, how do I change my keyboard layout on the console?
[02:39] <nullaresnata> It has not accents (i need accents).
[02:39] <dcraven> montana, "montana" would do quite nicely, that way we'd know who pasted it :)
[02:39] <montana> Okay, the code is under the name Giawa.
[02:40] <dockane> what can i do if i annoyed
[02:40] <dockane> am annoyed of OOo not starting ?
[02:40] <EvilIdler> dockane: Scream
[02:40] <EvilIdler> dockane: Have you tried running it from a term?
[02:41] <dockane> nope not yet
[02:41] <billyoc> dockane: run another office suite to make it jealous.
[02:41] <EvilIdler> dockane: There tends to be more error output then
[02:41] <folta> is deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ main unstable the correct line to add to/etc/apt/source.list in order to get marillat?
[02:41] <dockane> EvilIdler, it often hangs with the splash screen
[02:42] <dockane> sometimes it comes up, sometimes the document window does not load completely and freezes
[02:43] <EvilIdler> dockane: You could try reinstalling the package if it's still in the cache
[02:43] <tiredbones> I typed the wrong pop address for my isp when setting up evolution. What file does that info reside?
[02:43] <montana> dcraven, is it telling me that I have libraries that are too new for the version of mplayer?
[02:43] <QMario> Thank you, dcraven! :)
[02:43] <dockane> EvilIdler, got ubuntu on dvd
[02:43] <dracflamloc> ok wtf
[02:43] <dockane> will try it
[02:43] <dracflamloc> all of a sudden i try launching UT2004 and i get this: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 1.0.7167, but  this library is version 1.0.7174.
[02:44] <EvilIdler> dracflamloc: You have parts of two different NVidia drivers installed
[02:44] <dracflamloc> weird considering i never did anything to change them...
[02:44] <dcraven> montana, looks like your libraries are not new enough to me.
[02:44] <EvilIdler> dracflamloc: apt-get upgrade will
[02:44] <dcraven> QMario, no problem.
[02:45] <dracflamloc> how can i force apt-get install to re-install the nvidia drivers
[02:45] <EvilIdler> dracflamloc: dpkg -i the packages
[02:45] <dcraven> montana, it is depending on library versions that are not available in any of your apt sources.
[02:45] <montana> dcraven, according to synaptic i have the newest versions installed.
[02:45] <EvilIdler> dracflamloc: linux-restricted-modules and nvidia-glx
[02:46] <dogmeat> hi i have a question.. why does my NTFS partition show up as a FAT16 partition when i fdisk -l ?
[02:46] <dcraven> montana, you have the newest versions that reside in the repositories in your apt sources, but not the newest versions in the world.
[02:46] <dcraven> montana, it is requiring versions that are newer than mine too.
[02:46] <bur[n] er> anyone know what the prefix is when using evolution-exchange... is it owa://exchange.server.com?  http://exchange.server.com?
[02:47] <vessuvius> It's Working!
[02:47] <montana> dcraven, well... that's a bit intense then, haha. do you know how i can find those? because i do have universal repositories as far as i know, or at least added some extras.
[02:48] <dcraven> montana, I don't use crazy repositories so I don't know where they can be found.
[02:48] <montana> dcraven, okay. oh well. at least i know what the problem is. thank you =D
[02:49] <vessuvius> lamont_r, I think it was just something with my acl for allow-query... I explicitly typed in my client address, and now it works ;-)
[02:49] <dcraven> montana, no problem. Have a look on the wiki/forum. I think there are repositories listed there that provide mplayer with sane dependancies.
[02:49] <lamont_r> vessuvius: ah, ok
[02:50] <vessuvius> I wonder why <IP_ADDRESS>/24 did not work though... doesn't seem right
[02:51] <imperfect-> Anyone know how I can install from a USB Cdrom?
[02:51] <dcraven> montana, I think it is available in just uni/multiverse as I have it available too.
[02:51] <imperfect-> It boots from the USB Cdrom just fine, then it wants to install a module to find the USB Cdrom to install and it won't.
[02:51] <EricNeon> jdub
[02:52] <montana> dcraven, how or where do i check for that?
[02:52] <imperfect-> no ideas I take it
[02:53] <stranger> this is so serious with so many ramifications...look at this comment
[02:53] <stranger> In the long term there is NO WAY we can keep the EU or any other part of the world from approving patents on software, because politicians will always care about the interests of whom/what put and keep them in place, ie corporations not common people. The point is that we're slowly approaching the critical level where the concepts of doing "the right thing" and "the legal thing" take opposite directions and become mutually exclusi
[02:53] <stranger> ve until we'll be forced to make THE choice.
[02:53] <stranger> The real question is not if, but when the moment arrives, are we ready to act as pirates? Because that's the point "they" are leading us to.
[02:53] <folta> does anyone know how i can get the w32codecs package for amd64?
[02:53] <libben> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[02:53] <pagefault> has anyone been able to get the new ATI drivers working with hoary?
[02:54] <dcraven> montana, http://ubuntuguide.org/temp/#mplayer
[02:54] <[HK] -r00t-> i have a thinkpad t41 running ubuntu, im using the snd-intel8x0 module and still not geting any sound, ive check the volume control and its using also (was using oss) and ive also made sure that it was not muted... any ideas?
[02:54] <libben> i get this when i do a | grep on a irc logfile
[02:54] <vessuvius> Ojh I see.... should have been 192.168.0/24, not <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[02:54] <libben> why
[02:54] <MrParker> I cry inside
[02:54] <lamont_r> libben: what exactly did you type?
[02:54] <lamont_r> to get the error
[02:54] <libben> cat /home/libben/.xchat2/logs/#thepiratebay.org.log | grep <TPBot>
[02:55] <lamont_r> you'll want quotes around the <>, since those are i/o redirection characters
[02:55] <dcraven> imperfect-, on my school machine I couldn't get the install disk to install properly from my optical either. I eventually ended up installing Debian sid and upgrading to Hoary preview in place :)
[02:55] <lamont_r> grep '<TPBot>' /home/libben/.xchat2/logs/#thepiratebay.org.log
[02:56] <lamont_r> would work tooo
[02:56] <dcraven> imperfect-, not that I suggest you do that, but that's what I ended up doing.
[02:56] <billyoc> dcraven: wow, i didn't think that would work.
[02:56] <dcraven> billyoc, it was not without its wrinkles, but it eventually worked with a fight.
[02:56] <lamont_r> sid->hoary is a crossgrade,not an upgrade
[02:57] <[HK] -r00t-> i have a thinkpad t41 running ubuntu, im using the snd-intel8x0 module and still not geting any sound, ive check the volume control and its using also (was using oss) and ive also made sure that it was not muted... any ideas?
[02:57] <dcraven> lamont, whatever :)
[02:57] <lamont_r> billyoc: and you can do it, but it's not supported
[02:57] <dcraven> lamont, it was still kinda ugly.
[02:57] <lamont_r> yeah
[02:57] <dcraven> but certainly nothing unbearable. It seems to have been a success.
[02:58] <lamont_r> dcraven: a slightly better way to do it is to play installer and build the new system in its own partition as a chroot, then finish the task.  But that's _really_ not an end-user solution
[02:58] <billyoc> dcraven: mostly file locations that clashed, different directories for things?
[02:58] <lamont_r> alternatively, netboot can be your friend
[02:58] <tiredbones> I typed the wrong pop address for my isp when setting up evolution. What file does that info reside in?
[02:59] <dcraven> lamont, I only had local root on a windows box with a single spare partition.
[02:59] <dcraven> billyoc, very little of that actually. Most of it was clashing package versions.
[02:59] <kbrooks> test
[02:59] <Grim76> Question:  Is there a way to have nautilus use active vs. passive when connecting to an FTP server.
[02:59] <kbrooks> weird
[02:59] <kbrooks> TEST
[03:00] <dcraven> test!!
[03:00] <dcraven> odd
[03:00] <dcraven> TeSt
[03:00] <imperfect-> it completely blows my mind that the install the cd
[03:00] <imperfect-> will boot
[03:00] <billyoc> tiredbones: shouldn't you just use the menus to fix that?  edit->preferences
[03:00] <imperfect-> and go into the installation program
[03:00] <imperfect-> yet
[03:00] <[HK] -r00t-> i have a thinkpad t41 running gnome, im using the snd-intel8x0 module and still not geting any sound, ive check the volume control and its using also (was using oss) and ive also made sure that it was not muted... any ideas?
[03:01] <imperfect-> yet i can't find the CD it just booed off of
[03:01] <EvilIdler> imperfect-: The bootloader on the CD loads a disk image, but the kernel in that disk image doesn't have a built-in USB CDROM driver.
[03:01] <dcraven> imperfect-, same deal with me. Booted from the CD, ended up using Smart Boot Manager as there was a (weak) BIOS password at the time with CD boot disabled. But then the installer would early on say "Looking for CDROM drivers.." or something, then fail.
[03:01] <lamont_r> dcraven: when I find myself forced to do the sid->hoary route, I (1) pray that it's before upstream version freeze, and (2) Pin ubuntu to a downgrade if you must priority
[03:01] <mike_douglas> support for the d-link dwl-g520 seems to be dropped in hoary (it worked fine in warty). Is there a problem with the atheros drivers?
[03:01] <imperfect-> EvilIdler : Yeah, I understand the reason. It just blows my mind that someone down at Ubuntu didn't grasp that ;)
[03:01] <EvilIdler> imperfect-: So you can get a partial boot, but not full, since USB drives don't show themselves as IDE :/
[03:01] <imperfect-> Know what's better?
[03:01] <imperfect-> It broke my XP intsall
[03:01] <serbo> [HK] -r00t-: try this fuser -k /dev/dsp
[03:02] <imperfect-> I'm looking at missing NTLDR
[03:02] <imperfect-> I can't boot back into Xp
[03:02] <imperfect-> YAY!
[03:02] <billyoc> more disk space. :)
[03:02] <EvilIdler> imperfect-: If they made a 4-floppy sized bootimage, they could fit all sorts of common drivers on that :/
[03:02] <brrrt> i am on a warty live cd, when i try: chroot /mnt/hda2 /sbin/grub-install /dev/hda, i get : /sbin/grub-install: line 477: /dev/null: Permission denied  any ideas whats going wrong ?
[03:02] <dcraven> imperfect-, *It* broke your Windows install?
[03:02] <imperfect-> dcraven ; Yep
[03:03] <[HK] -r00t-> can someone help me with my intel8x0 sound card please
[03:03] <imperfect-> dcraven ; I never got to install anything
[03:03] <imperfect-> never selected a partition
[03:03] <dcraven> imperfect-, you played no part in that?
[03:03] <imperfect-> and now XP is missing NTDLR.
[03:03] <nomasteryoda> lol
[03:03] <kerframil> brrrt: I'm not familiar with the approach or your goal, but you might try: mount -o bind /dev /mnt/hda2/dev first
[03:03] <Flonne> [HK] -r00t-, Ubuntu may have detected two sound-"capable" devices.
[03:03] <imperfect-> dcraven : Not unless booting up the ubuntu CD and trying to detect the CDROM did it.
[03:03] <imperfect-> dcraven ; Which it didn't.
[03:03] <[HK] -r00t-> Flonne, cat /proc/asound/cards/ only shows one
[03:03] <Flonne> [HK] -r00t-, when you run "alsamixer", is the chipset listed the correct one for your card?
[03:04] <[HK] -r00t-> yes
[03:04] <Flonne> Ah.
[03:04] <Flonne> What program are you trying to output audio with?
[03:04] <dcraven> imperfect-, slam in the XP CD and do a repair. It'll work.
[03:04] <[HK] -r00t-> wait
[03:04] <[HK] -r00t-> chipset is analog devices
[03:04] <imperfect-> dcraven : I dont care enough about it to do that.
[03:04] <[HK] -r00t-> how do i change that
[03:04] <calc> so when are the official torrents going to be put up?
[03:04] <imperfect-> dcraven ; my powerbook is still working fine ;)
[03:04] <stranger> hey does anybody know why gst-player doesn't come up along with all the streaming stations like icecast and shoutcast
[03:04] <dcraven> imperfect-, heh
[03:04] <brrrt> kerframil: wohoo, yes that helped :) thx alot :)
[03:04] <kerframil> imperfect-: FIXMBR and FIXBOOT from a recovery console, you may not want to do it but it's worth knowing
[03:04] <kerframil> brrrt: no worries
[03:05] <tiredbones> biilyoc: I tried to find a menu. I don't have an edit -> preference in evoulution.
[03:05] <[HK] -r00t-> Flonne, chip = analog devices, not intel
[03:05] <calc> its already Friday in europe
[03:05] <stranger> have they ruled that illegal?
[03:05] <[HK] -r00t-> Flonne, how do i change that
[03:05] <dcraven> imperfect-, that's what I said on Sept 8th, 2001. I still haven't gotten around to fixing that old Windows install.
[03:05] <Flonne> [HK] -r00t-, try "alsamixer -c1" -- see if it lists something else.
[03:05] <tiredbones> billyoc: I tried to find a menu. I don't have an edit -> preference in evoulution.
[03:05] <dcraven> Call me lazy.
[03:05] <[HK] -r00t-> Flonne, wrong -c argument 'l'
[03:06] <imperfect-> well
[03:06] <Flonne> 1 != l
[03:06] <billyoc> tiredbones: ah, i see.  how about tools->accounts?
[03:06] <Flonne> (One)
[03:06] <Grim76> Is there a way to set Nautilus to use Active vs. Passive with ftp?
[03:06] <imperfect-> I'm more curious as to how it happened.
[03:06] <kerframil> brrrt: most things don't work without /dev/null and /dev/zero ...
[03:06] <imperfect-> This is the kind of thing that puts the general public off to linux
[03:06] <kerframil> brrrt: /dev/console is another important one. easier just to bind mount your existing dev nodes in place.
[03:06] <imperfect-> hehe the livecd won't even boot
[03:06] <[HK] -r00t-> Flonne, -c0 shows the card, -c1 no card
[03:06] <HKSDU> Anyone knows that how do I upgrade from Ubuntu 4.01 to 5.04(for tomorrow's release..:))?
[03:07] <Flonne> [HK] -r00t-, what program are you testing sound with?
[03:07] <marska> Hello.. Ubuntu is set to automatically connect to a wireless network, but is it possible to select the network you connect to when multiple ones are availabe? Especially if you do not know the name or address of the connections your accessing?
[03:07] <stranger> does anybody know why gst-player doesn't come up with all the icecast and shoutcast stations
[03:07] <brrrt> kerframil: the recovery console you mentionied, how can i access that?
[03:07] <lamont_r> HKSDU: it's in the release notes, but basically, you change warty to hoary in /etc/apt/sources.list - in all occurances
[03:07] <[HK] -r00t-> xmms, totem, sound settings (sound events)
[03:07] <folta> does anyone know how to get 32bit mplayer on an x86-64 machine?
[03:07] <[HK] -r00t-> Flonne, xmms, totem, sound settings (sound events)
[03:07] <kerframil> brrrt: boot a Windows CD and hit R if I recall correctly
[03:08] <brrrt> kerframil: oh, not that what i thought of ...
[03:08] <holycow> it will also give you the option
[03:08] <imperfect-> yeah
[03:08] <imperfect-> he's right
[03:08] <HKSDU> lamont_r: and just do a apt-get upgrade?
[03:08] <bestadvocate> folta:there has recently been a package mplayer-amd64 in hoary
[03:08] <imperfect-> gotta boot up into the initial install
[03:08] <imperfect-> and select repair
[03:08] <Flonne> [HK] -r00t-, have you tried using OSS and esound as alternative sinks? (Sound output options)
[03:08] <imperfect-> er
[03:08] <imperfect-> recovery console rather
[03:08] <lamont_r> HKSDU: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:08] <Flonne> and/or
[03:08] <imperfect-> I need a SATA CDrom drive
[03:08] <imperfect-> someone give me one
[03:08] <[HK] -r00t-> Flonne, tried changing to OSS in volume control, same result
[03:08] <imperfect-> DO IT NOW
[03:08] <Artemis3> no
[03:08] <HKSDU> lamont_r: o....ic ic...thanks alot :)
[03:09] <imperfect-> Ijust bought one of them alpine car stereo's with ipod connecter
[03:09] <imperfect-> if anyone in here is thinking abou tit
[03:09] <EvilIdler> imperfect-: I have tons to spare :)
[03:09] <imperfect-> shoot yourself in the fact
[03:09] <brrrt> kerframil: i thought there is something like this for ubuntu, similar to the trad. woody netboot-iso
[03:09] <imperfect-> EvilIdler : SATA ?
[03:09] <Flonne> [HK] -r00t-, every program has its own setting.
[03:09] <tiredbones> billyoc: I found it under tool->setting-<mail account. thanks
[03:09] <[HK] -r00t-> ok
[03:09] <imperfect-> er face
[03:10] <EvilIdler> imperfect-: Well, maybe not S-ATA, but I do have lots of extra CD-ROM drives
[03:10] <stranger> does anybody know why gst-player doesn't come up or something to bring in the icecast and shoutcast stations.
[03:10] <imperfect-> I've got 25 gig of mp3s on my ipd and trying to select which an artist takes FOREVER
[03:10] <crimsun> [HK] -r00t-: please paste your lsmod output onto http://pastebin.com
[03:10] <billyoc> tiredbones: yeah, different version of evolution have different menus.
[03:10] <bur[n] er> anyone know if gnome-panel can take .svg as icons?
[03:10] <imperfect-> EvilIdler : I need SATA, i've only got 1 IDE channel on this board
[03:10] <marska> Under Ubuntu, when multiple wireless networks are available, how do you manually choose a specific one? When your not sure of the address or name.
[03:10] <imperfect-> 3.6ghz P4
[03:10] <bur[n] er> or... how to get it to that is
[03:10] <kerframil> brrrt: I'm new to Ubuntu so I'm not sure. it certainly would be good if there was.
[03:10] <imperfect-> I did get a 10krpm SATA HD though
[03:10] <EvilIdler> imperfect-: Ack. Living in the future, eh?
[03:10] <imperfect-> but i'ev got a 250G IDE for storage
[03:10] <imperfect-> EvilIdler : Not really
[03:10] <lamont_r> marska: start with iwlist eth1 scan
[03:10] <imperfect-> EvilIdler : I've got another box a 3Ghz P4
[03:10] <lamont_r> or eth0 or whatever
[03:10] <spity> hi
[03:11] <imperfect-> EvilIdler : It's got 200G IDE and IDE DVD burner
[03:11] <lamont_r> marska: and then iwconfig is your friend
[03:11] <imperfect-> EvilIdler : but my buddy is hosting some bidness websites on it for the modment
[03:11] <brrrt> kerframil: thanks again for your wise input, i'll try now to boot ... cya
[03:11] <marska> lamont: How do I access that?
[03:11] <lamont_r> marska: sorry - those are both commandline tools, I expect there's probably a nice gui running around too, but I'm a shade oldschool
[03:11] <EvilIdler> imperfect-: If you somehow can get the harddrive for the intended system into another system, the actual hardware config doesn't actually happen until after its first (and only) reboot
[03:12] <marska> lamont: How do I access the command line?
[03:12] <lamont_r> forthe command line tools, applications -> system tools -> terminal
[03:12] <imperfect-> EvilIdler : I can go to best buy. purchase SATA CDROM and move on w/ life too ;)
[03:12] <imperfect-> I need to take back this linksys 54G router too
[03:12] <imperfect-> It's retarded
[03:12] <imperfect-> my openbsd box wasmuch better
[03:12] <EvilIdler> imperfect-: But that would increase the price of your Ubuntu "purchase" ;)
[03:12] <imperfect-> i even put that sveasoft stuff on it
[03:12] <dcraven> Check out my Human xchat theme --> http://tinyurl.com/5dvs2
[03:12] <folta> bestadvocate, i just went over to #mplayer and apparenbtly to install win32codec you need the 32 bit version of mplayer
[03:12] <[HK] -r00t-> Flonne, its up
[03:12] <dcraven> I'm lame.
[03:12] <imperfect-> EvilIdler : dude I've spent so much money on linux
[03:12] <imperfect-> EvilIdler : It's not even funny
[03:12] <holycow> imperfect-, lol me too
[03:12] <holycow> ilove linux
[03:12] <folta> whereas i currently have th mplayer-amd64 package
[03:13] <holycow> i'll spend even more
[03:13] <imperfect-> holy shit
[03:13] <EvilIdler> imperfect-: You're th 11th person to steer me away from Linksys :)
[03:13] <imperfect-> I've been using linux 10 years
[03:13] <imperfect-> im old now.
[03:13] <imperfect-> dude
[03:13] <imperfect-> I knew they sucked
[03:13] <dcraven> Money as in donations?
[03:13] <spanglesontoast> can I download azureus as a package?
[03:13] <imperfect-> but I wanted to play with the sveasoft shyt
[03:13] <EvilIdler> imperfect-: Uphill, both ways? Snowy?
[03:13] <stranger> what does ubuntu use for pulling in the icecast and shoutcast stations to rip public domain stuff
[03:13] <HKSDU> EvilIdler: is Linksys bad?
[03:13] <bestadvocate> folta: its true most of the codecs dont work, your going to have read up on chroot, and how to 32 emulate
[03:13] <holycow> imperfect-, i stopped buying linksys a while ago, these days i just stick with netgear, even tho they basically get their stuff from the same chinese manufacturer
[03:13] <imperfect-> I was hoping cisco would save them
[03:13] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun,  i posted it
[03:13] <Flonne> [HK] -r00t-, what's up?
[03:13] <Artemis3> you mean system freezing linksys nics?
[03:13] <imperfect-> now cisco makes a shitty product ;)
[03:13] <wims> when will they release hoary?
[03:13] <[HK] -r00t-> Flonne, http://pastebin.com/268684
[03:13] <EvilIdler> HKSDU: EVERYONE who bought the 54g on a board I frequent have returned it/had to flash some open firmware
[03:14] <Flonne> wims, seven hours.
[03:14] <bestadvocate> do some googleing: i still havent tackled this task.
[03:14] <imperfect-> yeah I have this other 54G netgear im using at the moment
[03:14] <lamont_r> wims: announcement will be in a few hours
[03:14] <wims> flonne: thanks
[03:14] <wims> great
[03:14] <Artemis3> shh
[03:14] <marska> I just installed wget. How do I access it?
[03:14] <[HK] -r00t-> Flonne, what about "Multimedia Systems Selector"
[03:14] <stranger> oh well i guess everybody is deaf....i will go work on another distro...good luck to you
[03:14] <HKSDU> EvilIdler: which one you are talking about?
[03:14] <Flonne> (Estimate)
[03:14] <Artemis3> they better release the torrents first...
[03:14] <Flonne> Yeah...
[03:14] <dcraven> marska, type "wget <address>" in a terminal.
[03:14] <imperfect-> FUCK!
[03:14] <imperfect-> yeah
[03:14] <imperfect-> So
[03:14] <dcraven> Ouch imperfect-
[03:14] <imperfect-> XP kernel panics when you're trying to repair
[03:14] <imperfect-> == the SUCK
[03:14] <dcraven> Clean channel.
[03:15] <imperfect-> I AM UNCLEAN. ;)
[03:15] <imperfect-> sorry.
[03:15] <Artemis3> its scared
[03:15] <EvilIdler> HKSDU: There's one particular model Linksys - I think you should be able to find a few horror stories with Google
[03:15] <marska> dcraven: How do I change proxy settings under wget?
[03:15] <lamont_r> imperfect-: don't make me ban you... :-)
[03:15] <dcraven> Not my channel though, so no need to listen :)
[03:15] <apow> he is unclean, fast, fsck him!
[03:15] <wims> lol
[03:15] <lamont_r> marska: http_proxy=http://host:port/ wget ....
[03:15] <EvilIdler> HKSDU: "linksys bad return" are possible keywords :)
[03:15] <imperfect-> lamont_r: but daddy! windows is making it's suck pig!
[03:15] <Flonne> crimsun, [HK] -r00t-, I don't see any unusual sound drivers there.
[03:15] <folta> bestadvocate, looking forward to it already.... :S
[03:15] <HKSDU> EvilIdler: because so far, all my linksys routers and wireless adapters are working pretty well
[03:15] <apow> hey lamont_r, that netinst image worked really good thanks
[03:15] <lamont_r> imperfect-: so scream and rant and beat it with the keyboard...:0)
[03:16] <[HK] -r00t-> Flonne, what about "Multimedia Systems Selector"
[03:16] <lamont_r> apow: cool.
[03:16] <holycow> *hmmm*
[03:16] <spanglesontoast> when the stable coming out?
[03:16] <lamont_r> apow: (and unsurprising, actually...)
[03:16] <spanglesontoast> anyone got the time for release?
[03:16] <Flonne> [HK] -r00t-, I'm not sure where you're getting that from.
[03:16] <apow> some quirk on apt, which i solved by apt-get --reinstall apt :P
[03:16] <bestadvocate> folta: you could also do a second installation of ubuntu,  with the i386 disks,
[03:16] <lamont_r> spanglesontoast: in a few hours
[03:16] <Artemis3> soon...
[03:16] <holycow> whats the name of that app that sorts and locates winamp streams and online radio stations?
[03:16] <apow> other than that, it went smooth
[03:16] <EvilIdler> HKSDU: I've only used switches from them, which are uncomplicated beasts. But wireless I'll pass on until I know I can get a good router.
[03:16] <spanglesontoast> how soon?
[03:16] <spanglesontoast> 2hrs?
[03:16] <HKSDU> EvilIdler: wow, there are a lot, let me read
[03:16] <[HK] -r00t-> gnome panel
[03:16] <dcraven> marska, I'm looking at the wget man page and it's in there. I've never used it with a proxy before though.
[03:17] <lamont_r> spanglesontoast: its still thursday here...
[03:17] <marska> Man page?
[03:17] <spanglesontoast> friday 2:37am
[03:17] <spanglesontoast> :D
[03:17] <marska> dcraven: I'm new at this, I just need to change the port to 8119
[03:17] <qweqw> where are all the amd64 packages? i don't have fluxbox, irssi, etc..
[03:17] <Flonne> [HK] -r00t-, try changing the output device in one of the programs you're trying to use.
[03:17] <dcraven> marska, It looks like you can set up the default proxy in /etc/wgetrc.
[03:17] <spanglesontoast> I know this is rude but is there a way to access the dev packages?
[03:17] <fruggle> holycow: streamtuner?
[03:17] <[HK] -r00t-> i have
[03:17] <marska> Thank you
[03:17] <Flonne> qweqw, isn't irssi included in the amd64 basesystem?
[03:17] <marska> I may remain ignorant now.
[03:18] <qweqw> it's not in apt-cache
[03:18] <Jerub> if you have a default proxy, you could just put it in your ~/.bashrc as 'export http_proxy=http://proxy.host:8080/'
[03:18] <Flonne> But it's installed with your system.
[03:18] <Jerub> and wget respects that, along with many other terminal applications, such as apt-get
[03:18] <qweqw> no
[03:18] <crimsun> [HK] -r00t-: is this a laptop, and if so, which make & model?
[03:18] <lamont_r> qweqw: apt-get install, or run synaptic
[03:18] <dcraven> marska, no problem
[03:18] <folta> bestadvocate, i think i'd rather either learn how to make the codecs work or wait for 64 bit ones
[03:18] <imperfect-> wow.
[03:18] <imperfect-> I need a break from this frustration
[03:18] <imperfect-> ;)
[03:18] <[HK] -r00t-> IBM Thinkpad T41
[03:19] <folta> winxp64s gone gold anyway, so it shouldn;t be too long
[03:19] <lamont_r> qweqw: xchat is in the base, and generally there's only one of each type of app
[03:19] <EvilIdler> HKSDU: The problem most people I know of have had with the WRT54g was signals dropping just enough to make WoW unplayable.
[03:19] <imperfect-> Is there a net install option?
[03:19] <qweqw> that's my point, lamont .. i can't install irssi, it's not there
[03:19] <spanglesontoast> there a list of fixed bugs due for the stable?
[03:19] <holycow> fruggle, thats it!
[03:19] <holycow> thanks!
[03:19] <Jerub> qweqw: do you have the universe repository enabled?
[03:19] <EvilIdler> HKSDU: I guess the average non-gaming person wouldn't notice, and just blame the ISP
[03:19] <HKSDU> EvilIdler: that's my recent problem with the newest fireware, true...
[03:19] <dcraven> marska, Oh.. Are you being sarcastic or did you find the appropriate setting in /etc/wgetrc?
[03:19] <lamont_r> qweqw: irssi-text is
[03:19] <bestadvocate> folta: I am going to have 3 versions of ubuntu isntalled on my cpu (i bought a very large hard drive and this was the best I could think of on how ot use it)
[03:19] <qweqw> nope, how do i do that?
[03:19] <qweqw> i have "restricted" in my sources.list, removing it does nothing
[03:20] <HKSDU> EvilIdler: I know it's my linksys because I already tried connecting my cable modem to one of my comp directly and tested.
[03:20] <dcraven> marska, Looks like line 76 in that file would be useful to you.
[03:20] <Jerub> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[03:20] <lamont_r> qweqw: in synaptic, tell it to update, and then install irssi-text
[03:20] <EvilIdler> HKSDU: Replacing the firmware helps for everyone who's reported back, though
[03:20] <EvilIdler> HKSDU: One bad product is all it takes for regular people to avoid them :/
[03:20] <lamont_r> or from a command line: apt-get update; apt-get install irssi-text
[03:20] <qweqw> synaptic? is that the ubuntu packaging program
[03:20] <[HK] -r00t-> Flonne, Thinkpad T41
[03:20] <wims> yes
[03:20] <lamont_r> qweqw: synaptic is a gui on top of apt
[03:21] <wims> irsii is installed by default on my system
[03:21] <Flonne> crimsun was the one who asked, [HK] -r00t-.
[03:21] <wims> IRSSI*
[03:21] <crimsun> [HK] -r00t-: amixer output onto pastebin.
[03:21] <lamont_r> wims: doh
[03:21] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, amixer?
[03:21] <lamont_r> irssi is in ubuntu-desktop's depends
[03:21] <EvilIdler> HKSDU: Much of the stuff Cisco/Linksys make really has hardware by ZyXel, I hear, but Cisco add the firmware/software
[03:21] <lamont_r> so, qweqw apt-get install ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop
[03:21] <lamont_r> that'll get you a full and complete hoary system
[03:22] <lamont_r> wims: thanks forthe correction
[03:22] <HKSDU> EvilIdler: actually all my friends are using different products, netgear, dlink and smc and all of them are having problems all the time, I am already glad that I don't have much problem
[03:22] <crimsun> [HK] -r00t-: yes, amixer.
[03:22] <qweqw> ok, apt is corrupted
[03:22] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, http://www.pastebin.com/268686
[03:22] <qweqw> never mind
[03:22] <qweqw> thanks!
[03:22] <EvilIdler> HKSDU: Yeah, the WRT54g problem is at least easy to fix. One solution for all its ailments :)
[03:23] <dcraven> qweqw, don't mention it dude.
[03:23] <EvilIdler> HKSDU: I wouldn't touch any of those brands you mentioned, though. I'd go with 3Com, because they've never disappointed me.
[03:23] <FenixRF> greetings...
[03:23] <dcraven> hey FenixRF
[03:23] <HKSDU> EvilIdler: I will give it a try next time
[03:24] <FenixRF> ... I'm trying to install ubuntu for my wife... thing is she's got an ACX 111 card in her machine...
[03:24] <EvilIdler> HKSDU: Linksys, Intel and 3Com are my preferred trio, in any order
[03:24] <FenixRF> ... I'm trying to set up ndiswrappers... but a) I don't have a network connection to her PC...
[03:24] <woodwizzle> Tomorow is the big day isn't it?
[03:24] <dockane> what do i need to install to watch dvds ?
[03:24] <FenixRF> ... and b) the howto for ndiswrapper 404's on the ubuntu site
[03:24] <sacrosby> Hey folks. Never done much with the kernel before, but I've to konw where it is in Warty.
[03:24] <sacrosby> Any help
[03:24] <sacrosby> ?
[03:24] <libben> dockane, u need totem-xine
[03:25] <EvilIdler> sacrosby: The kernel, the headers or the source?
[03:25] <crimsun> [HK] -r00t-: and if you mute 'External Amplifier'?
[03:25] <HKSDU> EvilIdler: so do you still have that WRT54G?
[03:25] <sacrosby> Hmm. Going to guess headers.
[03:25] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, where do i do that?
[03:25] <libben> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646
[03:25] <sacrosby> I'm installing Cisco VPN client.
[03:25] <libben> download that dockane
[03:25] <dockane> libben, ogle is not good ?
[03:25] <dockane> ok
[03:25] <sacrosby> the script asks where the kernel is.
[03:25] <libben> download the file and do what it says
[03:25] <EvilIdler> HKSDU: I don't have it, due to the warnings I've gotten - I've had so much trouble with hardware in the past year I don't want wireless on top of it ;)
[03:25] <crimsun> [HK] -r00t-: amixer sset 'External Amplifier' off
[03:25] <libben> dockane, ur on horay?
[03:25] <sacrosby> Woops. Source. My bad.
[03:26] <dockane> libben, yes
[03:26] <dcraven> FenixRF, the ndiswrapper tarball will certainly fit on a floppy disk if that is an option.
[03:26] <EvilIdler> sacrosby: OK, you need to check that you have the Linux headers package.
[03:26] <lamont_r> sacrosby: linux-source-2.6.10 is the source package, there are linux-image-* and linux-headers-* as well
[03:26] <HKSDU> EvilIdler: ic....I am reading some forums talking about some other open firmwares are better than the official one
[03:26] <FenixRF> dcraven, and what about the how-to? :)
[03:26] <FenixRF> I've never installed ndiswrapper before :)
[03:26] <spanglesontoast> nite bill
[03:26] <sacrosby> Sorry EvilIdler, I need the source. Just checked the documentation.
[03:26] <dcraven> FenixRF, hmm.. Hold up a sec.
[03:26] <lamont_r> sacrosby: you'll want to apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10
[03:27] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, ok muted
[03:27] <dockane> libben, shoul i first give ogle a try ?
[03:27] <EvilIdler> sacrosby: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) linux-source-$(uname -r)
[03:27] <[HK] -r00t-> still no go on also or oss
[03:27] <pagefault> well foo
[03:27] <pagefault> it looks like the latest fglrx driver released today does not work with hoary
[03:27] <sacrosby> OK. That will install it, I suppose?
[03:27] <EvilIdler> sacrosby: When it says you need the source, it actually means the headers, but geting the source to be safe is good
[03:27] <sacrosby> What kernel version is Warty running on, anyway?
[03:27] <lamont_r> sacrosby: yeah, and needs to be run as root
[03:27] <sacrosby> IC
[03:27] <lamont_r> warty?
[03:27] <lamont_r> 2.6.8
[03:28] <daniels> lamont_r: <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:28] <libben> dockane, dont know... i use totem player that is in horay..
[03:28] <lamont_r> daniels: either way, it's old. :-)
[03:28] <libben> but to watch dvds in it... u need totem-xine
[03:28] <McScruff> hello
[03:28] <libben> dockane, just go to that url... and then do wha he says... download the file he tells u too
[03:28] <sacrosby> THat all helps. Thanks guys.
[03:28] <libben> subuntu is it called something
[03:28] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, still no go
[03:29] <McScruff> is it ok for a newbie to ask a few q's
[03:29] <Flonne> Of course.
[03:29] <FenixRF> ok... how do I copy something to a floppy? :)
[03:30] <McScruff> installed today, used gnome , then went to good old kde, but how do i mount my storage hdd, its fat32
[03:30] <FenixRF> oh... I don't have a floppy drive
[03:30] <billyoc> FenixRF: good, 'cause I forgot how.  :)
[03:30] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, still no go
[03:30] <Flonne> McScruff, do you want to mount it permanently?
[03:30] <McScruff> yes
[03:31] <Flonne> McScruff, do you know its block device path? (/dev/hda4 or something like that)
[03:31] <dcraven> FenixRF, maybe this thread (for a diff chipset) might help? --> http://tinyurl.com/66yao
[03:31] <crimsun> [HK] -r00t-: ok. Have you tried 'alsa-source' from universe?
[03:32] <dockane> libben, ah i say its a legal problem
[03:32] <dcraven> FenixRF, for now we'll assume that the ndiswrapper module that comes with Ubuntu stock kernel will work. If not, (like me) you may need to roll your own :)
[03:32] <[HK] -r00t-> ill try it
[03:32] <McScruff> i have to admit this distro has a more "hands on" approach compared to suse
[03:32] <libben> ?
[03:32] <McScruff> i have to actually do stuff
[03:33] <dcraven> FenixRF, also, I am assuming you have the Windows drivers handy. I may be making too many assumptions here :)
[03:33] <FenixRF> dcraven, I have no network connection at the moment... so I is it adequate that I compile ndiswrapper from sources?
[03:33] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, ok alsa-source installed
[03:33] <FenixRF> dcraven, I have the windows driver handy
[03:33] <dcraven> FenixRF, ok. I thought that maybe you were online right now.
[03:33] <crimsun> [HK] -r00t-: you also need build-essential and linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[03:33] <mpt> How can I tell when a particular package on my box was last updated?
[03:33] <[HK] -r00t-> k
[03:34] <FenixRF> dcraven, I'm online with my Gentoo box... :)
[03:34] <cens0red> hi. Everyone. Just interested in ubuntu.
[03:34] <Flonne> McScruff, 'sudo echo "<block path> <path you want it to appear at> vfat umask=000,rw 0 0" >> /etc/fstab' followed by 'sudo mount <path you want it to appear at>' (Ask if you don't understand what any of that means)
[03:34] <marska> Hello again... I'm having a problem making wget point to localhost:8118. I was wondering if someone would be so kind as to walk through it with me?
[03:34] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, installing, brb
[03:34] <McScruff> also , has amsn been removed from the apt-get
[03:34] <lamont_r> McScruff: if you want it permanently, you'll need to add it to /etc/fstab
[03:34] <FenixRF> dcraven, shouldn't matter if I compile from sources...
[03:34] <dcraven> FenixRF, but what do you need a network connection for? Isn't ndiswrapper included with the stock kernel that is on the ubuntu CD? Maybe I'm missing something.
[03:34] <FenixRF> ... later on, I believe I can get the package.
[03:35] <FenixRF> dcraven, ndiswrapper is included as a module... but not as an executable
[03:35] <lamont_r> McScruff: you'll need to follow the comments in /etc/apt/sources.list to enable universe for amsn (not supported, but there)
[03:35] <dcraven> FenixRF, well if that is the case, then you also need the kernel-headers package for the running kernel on the machine you are going to compile the module for.
[03:35] <marska> I'm trying to point wget to a proxy, localhost:8118.
[03:35] <McScruff> i gave up with amsn kopete suits me
[03:35] <crimsun> FenixRF: linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[03:35] <marska> I change the proxy addresses in the config file, but it doesn't want to work.
[03:35] <lamont_r> McScruff: the distro targets the enduser whole-disk install, hence the lack of autodetection of other hdd partitions - that might come in the next release, dunno
[03:36] <dcraven> FenixRF, really? ndiswrapper-utils doesn't exist?
[03:36] <McScruff> lamont_t how do i mount it then, im a newb
[03:36] <cens0red> well this is a pretty big chan. Must be a lot of ubuntu users out there.
[03:36] <dcraven> (assuming that is where the ndiswrapper exec comes with)
[03:36] <Flonne> McScruff, I just gave you the information you need.
[03:36] <lamont_r> dcraven: ndiswrapper-utils is i386 only
[03:36] <Nekohayoo> IRC question: how much time does it take for the server to realize nekohayo has died? is there a way to kick my own "ghost" ?
[03:36] <dcraven> lamont, what arch are we dealing with here?
[03:37] <cens0red> I'm on dialup. Would that present difficulties? Does ubuntu sort of assume u have broadband?
[03:37] <marska> Question #2. I tried to install an entension to Mozilla, but it came up saying that I did not have permission to do this. How do I set permission to add extensions then?
[03:37] <FenixRF> dcraven, I couldn't find it...
[03:37] <dcraven> crudbellies
[03:37] <lamont_r> McScruff: after adding it to /etc/fstab, you can just ''mount /dev/whatever' - but finding the partition could be some pain
[03:37] <h8crime> i need some help with hoary
[03:37] <Flonne> Nekohayoo, /msg nickserv ghost <name> <pass>
[03:37] <FenixRF> dcraven, I tried to search for the package... but no luck...
[03:37] <lamont_r> dcraven: if he's saying it's not there, but he's trying to use it sensibly, then probably amd64
[03:37] <McScruff> shouldn't it be hdb1 ?
[03:37] <FenixRF> the ndiswrapper modules are there... and the correct headers are as well.
[03:38] <dcraven> FenixRF, okay then, if you are going to compile it, on her machine, make sure linux-headers are installed for her running kernel (uname -r) for kernel version.
[03:38] <marska> McScruff: Trying to mount a fat32 partition?
[03:38] <FenixRF> dcraven, done
[03:38] <McScruff> a whole fat32 hdd
[03:38] <dcraven> lamont, I get it.
[03:38] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, alll installed
[03:38] <h8crime> when i was using warty ath0 was on the list of available network connections, and it was still there when i upgraded to hoary, but today i unstalled just hoary and there is no ath0
[03:38] <Nekohayoo> Thank you Flonne :)
[03:38] <McScruff> a second hdd
[03:38] <dcraven> FenixRF, now you have the ndiswrapper tarball on there as well?
[03:38] <FenixRF> brb ... gonna try
[03:38] <dcraven> FenixRF, try what?
[03:38] <crimsun> [HK] -r00t-: cd /usr/src && sudo tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2
[03:38] <h8crime> can anyone help me?
[03:39] <h8crime> when i was using warty ath0 was on the list of available network connections, and it was still there when i upgraded to hoary, but today i unstalled just hoary and there is no ath0
[03:39] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, done
[03:39] <crimsun> [HK] -r00t-: sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source
[03:40] <crimsun> [HK] -r00t-: say no to pnp, yes to debug, choose intel8x0
[03:40] <[HK] -r00t-> conflicting actions --control and --remove
[03:40] <h8crime> when i was using warty ath0 was on the list of available network connections, and it was still there when i upgraded to hoary, but today i unstalled just hoary and there is no ath0
[03:40] <[HK] -r00t-> there we go
[03:40] <dcraven> h8crime, no need to repeat every 15 seconds... Was ath0 your wireless?
[03:40] <h8crime> CAN ANYONE SEE THIS??
[03:40] <McScruff> if i wanted full read write access to the fat32 what would the options be
[03:40] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, done
[03:41] <dcraven> Okay I'm done with this dude.
[03:41] <McScruff> h8crime: yes
[03:41] <samuel> sup all, does anyone know how to disable this sudo business in ubuntu? if i take my username off of the admin group is it safe? no problems right?
[03:41] <edgeoc> I'm not sure if I overlooked it on the site anywhere, so please forgive me, but is there a ballpark release date set for Ubuntu 5 final?
[03:41] <h8crime> when i was using warty ath0 was on the list of available network connections, and it was still there when i upgraded to hoary, but today i unstalled just hoary and there is no ath0
[03:41] <h8crime> when i was using warty ath0 was on the list of available network connections, and it was still there when i upgraded to hoary, but today i unstalled just hoary and there is no ath0
[03:41] <h8crime> when i was using warty ath0 was on the list of available network connections, and it was still there when i upgraded to hoary, but today i unstalled just hoary and there is no ath0
[03:41] <h8crime> when i was using warty ath0 was on the list of available network connections, and it was still there when i upgraded to hoary, but today i unstalled just hoary and there is no ath0
[03:41] <dcraven> samuel, running "sudo passwd" will set the root password.
[03:42] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, done
[03:42] <Flonne> edgeoc, Hoary will be out on the 8th; its hour of release will be announced soonish.
[03:42] <edgeoc> The 8th of this month? thats tomorrow
[03:42] <samuel> dcraven, thanks, done that, i was looking at the sudoers file and it seems i am a member of the admin group... is it safe to take me off of it?
[03:42] <Flonne> Yes, it is.
[03:42] <edgeoc> Nice
[03:42] <edgeoc> Good news, thanks
[03:43] <dcraven> samuel, why am I thinking adm is the one... I'm not sure which group it is now!
[03:43] <dcraven> What is the adm group?
[03:43] <crimsun> [HK] -r00t-: cd modules/alsa-driver && sudo debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)/ KVERS=$(uname -r)
[03:44] <samuel> dcraven, ive got the hoary RC and i dont have an adm group, i DO have an admin group
[03:44] <bulfaiter> does anyone know why do I get an error 29 with grub while trying to boot a freedos partition?
[03:44] <cens0red> is there anywhere I can find a list of all available ubuntu deb/rpm packages in repositories? A bit like rpmfind.net for ubuntu?
[03:44] <McScruff> how do i log in as root in the home folder
[03:44] <bulfaiter> www.apt-get.org
[03:44] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, its ripping
[03:44] <dcraven> samuel, oh.. Then it's probably safe :)... I wonder why I'm in adm too?
[03:45] <crimsun> cens0red: not necessary. We have universe and multiverse, and for Breezy we'll have even more packages.
[03:45] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, under volume control should i be using alsa or oss?
[03:45] <McScruff> how do i log in as root in konqueror
[03:45] <crimsun> [HK] -r00t-: alsa, preferably
[03:45] <samuel> dcraven, thx - i dont like to use root unless i su on purpose...
[03:45] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, under multimedia systems selector what should i be using?
[03:45] <jbm__> Anyone care to crush my hopes of installing Ubuntu dual-boot on BIOS RAID 0?
[03:45] <cens0red> what is universe & multiverse?
[03:45] <chaotic_linux> How do i play dvd's on linux?
[03:46] <h8crime> when i was using warty ath0 was on the list of available network connections, and it was still there when i upgraded to hoary, but today i unstalled just hoary and there is no ath0
[03:46] <h8crime> when i was using warty ath0 was on the list of available network connections, and it was still there when i upgraded to hoary, but today i unstalled just hoary and there is no ath0
[03:46] <h8crime> when i was using warty ath0 was on the list of available network connections, and it was still there when i upgraded to hoary, but today i unstalled just hoary and there is no ath0
[03:46] <h8crime> when i was using warty ath0 was on the list of available network connections, and it was still there when i upgraded to hoary, but today i unstalled just hoary and there is no ath0
[03:46] <h8crime> when i was using warty ath0 was on the list of available network connections, and it was still there when i upgraded to hoary, but today i unstalled just hoary and there is no ath0
[03:46] <[HK] -r00t-> h8crime, QUIT SPAMMING
[03:46] <cens0red> chaotic_linux mplayer is a good package.
[03:46] <SysFail> you dumbass
[03:46] <libben> that dont help h8crime but its a good way to get attention
[03:46] <libben> his just frustrated
[03:46] <h8crime> lol
[03:46] <libben> cmon... let he be
[03:46] <h8crime> well no one is helmping me :(
[03:46] <libben> whats the problem
[03:46] <h8crime> when i was using warty ath0 was on the list of available network connections, and it was still there when i upgraded to hoary, but today i unstalled just hoary and there is no ath0
[03:47] <dcraven> samuel, yeah.. I think the "admin" group is used in the visudo stuff. You'll be fine I think.
[03:47] <libben> ill try to act as i was listning... and if i can help... i will
[03:47] <dcraven> h8crime, nobody is helping you because you are being rude, even when warned.
[03:47] <libben> you have UNinstalled Horay?
[03:47] <FenixRF> dcraven, the ndiswrapper source... contains a compiled version of the ndiswrapper utility
[03:48] <fsapo> hi.. anybody knows how to make gmailfs to work?
[03:48] <jbm__> h8crime i recommend unplugging your network connection
[03:48] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, its done...
[03:48] <cens0red> has anybody got a link one what universe & multiverse are?
[03:48] <FenixRF> dcraven, so I don't think I'll need to compile it... will I?
[03:48] <dcraven> FenixRF, yeah.. When you compile the ndiswrapper source it will produce 2 debs. One for the modules and one for the utils.
[03:48] <samuel> i dont know about you guys but ignore is very easy to use for me
[03:48] <fsapo> i m getting this when i try to mount fusermount: old style mounting not supported
[03:48] <Flonne> cens0red, community-supported, and non-open packages.
[03:49] <dcraven> FenixRF, if you have the kernel headers installed all you have to do is enter the untarred ndiswrapper directory and type "make deb".
[03:49] <cens0red> Flonne is that like a deb/rpm repository?
[03:49] <FenixRF> ok
[03:49] <mdz> cens0red: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[03:49] <h8crime> when i was using warty ath0 was on the list of available network connections, and it was still there when i upgraded to hoary, but today i unstalled just hoary and there is no ath0
[03:49] <h8crime> when i was using warty ath0 was on the list of available network connections, and it was still there when i upgraded to hoary, but today i unstalled just hoary and there is no ath0
[03:49] <h8crime> when i was using warty ath0 was on the list of available network connections, and it was still there when i upgraded to hoary, but today i unstalled just hoary and there is no ath0
[03:49] <h8crime> when i was using warty ath0 was on the list of available network connections, and it was still there when i upgraded to hoary, but today i unstalled just hoary and there is no ath0
[03:49] <h8crime> when i was using warty ath0 was on the list of available network connections, and it was still there when i upgraded to hoary, but today i unstalled just hoary and there is no ath0
[03:49] <dcraven> FenixRF, it was nice of them to include the deb make target I thought :)
[03:49] <h8crime> when i was using warty ath0 was on the list of available network connections, and it was still there when i upgraded to hoary, but today i unstalled just hoary and there is no ath0
[03:49] <h8crime> when i was using warty ath0 was on the list of available network connections, and it was still there when i upgraded to hoary, but today i unstalled just hoary and there is no ath0
[03:49] <lamont> nsvl
[03:49] <Flonne> cens0red, yes. They're .deb repositories.
[03:49] <lamont> back, even
[03:49] <dcraven> Will someone kick that ass.
[03:49] <chaotic_linux> how do i put somthing in a source.list
[03:49] <Nekohayoo> wth is wrong with him?
[03:49] <Flonne> Thanks, mdz. :)
[03:50] <dcraven> thanks mdz
[03:50] <Nekohayoo> :)
[03:50] <FenixRF> dcraven, where do I get the headers from?
[03:50] <McScruff> please can someone help :(
[03:50] <Flonne> Though you kinda took out all of British Columbia...
[03:50] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, done building packages
[03:50] <chaotic_linux> how do i put somthing in a source.list
[03:50] <Flonne> chaotic_linux, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:50] <cens0red> Flonne is there anywhere or anyway I can look through these repositories to find out what packages are available?
[03:51] <dcraven> FenixRF, the kernel headers? I thought you said they were installed. I hope they are on the CD since there is no network connection to that machine.
[03:51] <jbm__> Can anyone help me to load a software RAID driver before install from cd? howto do this?
[03:51] <Nekohayoo> McScruff, gksudo konqueror?
[03:51] <crimsun> [HK] -r00t-: ls ../*.deb
[03:51] <Nekohayoo> (not sure at all)
[03:51] <Flonne> cens0red, you could add them, then use Synaptic to browse. Synaptic should indicate which repository every package comes from (IIRC).
[03:51] <forbes882002> how come i can't use Ubuntu x86 on a x86-64?
[03:52] <Flonne> What do you mean, forbes882002?
[03:52] <forbes882002> It will not install
[03:52] <forbes882002> Live will not
[03:52] <cens0red> Flonne how do u add them in mandrake linux?
[03:52] <FenixRF> dcraven, yeah... sorry, it's late... I'm tired :)
[03:52] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, alsa-modules-2.6.10-5-686_1.0.8-4ubuntu4_i386.deb
[03:53] <Flonne> cens0red, I have no idea. I spent about two hours with Drake.
[03:53] <FenixRF> dcraven, I tried the make deb ... got an error about fakeroot no command found
[03:53] <dcraven> FenixRF, typing this in the term on your wife's machine will tell you the exact package name "echo linux-headers-`uname -r`" minus the normal quotes but WITH the back quotes.
[03:53] <lamont> McScruff: sorry - still working on that disk?
[03:53] <crimsun> [HK] -r00t-: sudo dpkg -i ../*.deb
[03:53] <cens0red> Flonne thanx.
[03:53] <dcraven> FenixRF, crud... Yeah. Hopefully there is a package on the cd called fakeroot too? And build-essential?
[03:53] <[HK] -r00t-> crimsun, done
[03:54] <crimsun> [HK] -r00t-: reboot
[03:54] <dcraven> Silly Linux distrobutions that don't install gcc by default....
[03:54] <[HK] -r00t-> k
[03:54] <forbes882002> is Hp 640b Linux campitible?
[03:54] <scottj> is mesa software opengl or hardware?
[03:54] <cens0red> I just want to know if there's some way I can browse the repositories without having to install ubuntu first.
[03:54] <Flonne> scottj, it's software.
[03:54] <forbes882002> it's a DVD Burner
[03:54] <dcraven> FenixRF, we're just trying to get some packages installed now that will allow us to build the modules successfully is all :)
[03:54] <lamont> cens0red: well, if you're into raw packages files...
[03:55] <Flonne> cens0red, what packages do you want?
[03:55] <scottj> how do I get hardware gl w/ ati radeon 7500?
[03:55] <lamont> cens0red: source package list (and build status) can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Lists/hoary.all.$arch
[03:55] <forbes882002> is Hp 640b DVD Burner Linux campitible?
[03:55] <EvilIdler> forbes882002: I have yet to see a burner that didn't work in Linux
[03:55] <Flonne> And you can just crawl the FTPs with a browser...
[03:55] <Flonne> forbes882002, offhand, I'd say "probably", but you should be able to find the answer with a quick Google search.
[03:56] <libben> no uodates this day?
[03:56] <libben> updates
[03:56] <Flonne> libben, maybe it means they've frozen everything in preparation for the release.
[03:56] <EvilIdler> forbes882002: The hardware is often made by one of the big manufacturers and relabelled by HP, so you have a very good chance of it working
[03:56] <toresbe> EvilIdler: you weren't a linux user in the mid-nineties ;)
[03:56] <libben> Flonne, =) dident think of that
[03:57] <libben> so what does that means for us? when they release it... we just keep updating? and were good?
[03:57] <jbm__> need help installing on RAID 0 array, is this possible with ubuntu, installer shows my 2 drives as seperate entities?
[03:57] <lamont> libben: I know of only 4 packages that have changed in the last 30 hours or so
[03:57] <Flonne> libben, that's the way it should work, yes.
[03:57] <lamont> well, ubuntu-main that is
[03:57] <toresbe> man, trickle rocks
[03:57] <cens0red> lamont I kind of prefer pre built binaries.
[03:57] <cens0red> but thanx lamont