[05:41] <mrooney> If I am on a team which is subscribed to all bugs in a project, is there a way to opt out of that on an individual level?
[05:43] <wgrant> mrooney: Apart from filtering at your end, there is not.
[05:43] <wgrant> I consider this a bug that is tempting to fix.
[05:44] <wgrant> I think you should be able to opt-out individually at both a project and bug level.
[05:44] <mrooney> wgrant: yes, both of those would be useful
[05:45] <mrooney> the former being more immediately useful
[05:45] <wgrant> Right.
[05:48] <mrooney> subscriptions ARE a little wonky, since commenting on a bug asks if you want to subscribe, even if you are already implicitly subscribed, which is confusing. Yet I suspect it has meaning in that if I do that, and then leave the team, I'll still get mail.
[05:48] <wgrant> Right.
[05:49] <wgrant> There's a bug about that confusion.
[05:49] <wgrant> But that confusion is gone on edge, as the checkbox is absent.
[09:19] <wgrant> I'm getting occasional 502s from edge.
[09:19] <wgrant> Sometimes more often than not.
[09:29] <IntuitiveNipple> Is "edge" undergoing maintenance ?
[09:29] <wgrant> IntuitiveNipple: It was probably upgraded in the last hour or so, and seems to be partly dead :/
[09:30] <wgrant> It has had problems upgrading the past couple of times, but not quite like this.
[09:32] <IntuitiveNipple> ah-hah! I thought it might be my fault :)
[09:32] <wgrant> edge isn't quite that fragile.
[09:33] <IntuitiveNipple> hmmm! I have one of those anti-technology auras - if something can go wrong, it will when I'm near it :p
[10:25] <benji_> Hello everyone. Can anyone help me to check this: if you save a suggestion for a translation in a Launchpad project, there isn't a way to edit it afterward, is it?
[10:26] <lifeless> sure you can, just find it and change it
[10:28] <benji_> Mmm... I see the list of suggestions, among them there is the one I want to edit, but I only see a "Copy text" button near it.
[10:30] <wgrant> IIRC you can't edit suggestions.
[10:30] <wgrant> But it has been a while since I last looked at Translations...
[10:34] <benji_> wgrant: so it seems to me too. I wanted to check here before giving up.
[11:09] <benji_> Thank you and bye everybody.
[11:47] <markjones> hi, ianto sent me here as i am to take over the running of the Welsh Translation team, and to become the future admin, should a decision be made
[11:48] <wgrant> markjones: You might have better luck asking during the week.
[11:49] <markjones> wgrant: thanks
[12:41] <Ursinha> hm
[12:42] <Ursinha> edge is acting up
[12:44] <wgrant> Ursinha: Yes. Has been since around the restart that probably happened four hours ago.
[12:45] <Ursinha> argh
[12:45] <wgrant> s/restart/update/
[12:45] <Ursinha> wgrant, ah
[12:45] <Ursinha> wgrant, a cherrypick?
[12:45]  * Ursinha checks emails
[12:45] <wgrant> Ursinha: no. Isn't there a normal update around then?
[12:46]  * wgrant isn't sure these days.
[12:46] <Ursinha> wgrant, what kind of update are you talking about? the regular code merge?
[12:46] <wgrant> Ursinha: Yes.
[12:46] <wgrant> Anyway, the problems started a little under four hours ago.
[12:49] <Ursinha> wgrant, last landed revision was 9209
[12:49] <wgrant> Ursinha: That looks like it landed on stable around 7 hours ago, although I can't say for sure as buildbot is sekrit.
[12:50] <Ursinha> a simple js change, what doesn't make much sense
[12:50] <wgrant> So it probably did update around the time things died.
[12:50] <Ursinha> hm
[12:50] <wgrant> Ursinha: Some appservers have failed to restart during the upgrade in the past week.
[12:50] <wgrant> Ursinha: On at least two occasions, at least one appserver failed to shut down.
[12:51] <Ursinha> so maybe we have a dead server
[12:51] <wgrant> Right.
[12:51] <Ursinha> I'd have to ask a losa
[12:51] <wgrant> lpstats os often useful for that.
[12:51] <wgrant> s/os/is/
[12:57] <geser> how many app servers does edge use? because I seem to hit the broken one pretty often
[12:57] <wgrant> 4, IIRC.
[13:00] <wgrant> Aha. So they're physically shared with the lpnet servers. 2 lpnets and 1 edge on each of the 4. I see.
[13:04] <IntuitiveNipple> Is there a way to delete a PPA when no longer required?
[13:04] <maxb> No (unless it never had any packages in it at all at any point in time)
[13:05] <maxb> It can be made invisible to anyone but the owner though
[13:09] <IntuitiveNipple> I was trying to figure out how to make it invisible, but can't see any obvious option to do so
[13:10] <wgrant> IntuitiveNipple: It's an admin option.
[13:10] <Ursinha> IntuitiveNipple, you have to open a question requiring an admin to do that for you
[13:11] <Ursinha> s/requiring/asking/
[13:11] <IntuitiveNipple> Ahhh... that would explain it :)
[13:11] <IntuitiveNipple> Thanks guys
[13:11] <Ursinha> IntuitiveNipple, np :)
[13:15] <gnomefreak> anyone else timing out on launchpad? its doing it with every page
[13:16] <Ursinha> gnomefreak, timing out or the "try again" page?
[13:16] <gnomefreak> Ursinha: try again (sorry just woke up a little while ago
[13:17] <Ursinha> gnomefreak, I`m getting those as well, wgrant reported it's happening for at least 7 hours now
[13:17] <Ursinha> don't know the reason though
[13:18] <gnomefreak> ok thanks
[13:29]  * wgrant kicks edge4 a few times.
[13:29] <wgrant> Everything else is slow, but I wonder if that's because pound is filling up with hung requests to edge4.
[13:48] <gnomefreak> im not seeing the disable edge button
[13:50] <geser> gnomefreak: use https://launchpad.net/ to see it
[13:50] <gnomefreak> ok thats bad: you cant use edge.luanchpad... to disable it
[13:50] <gnomefreak> geser: have to remove the edge part of url but it should be with the edge link
[13:51] <gnomefreak> https://launchpad.net should be https://edge.launchpad.net just to make sense
[15:34] <_Andrew> When I update a package in my ppa that other depends upon why doesn't the other package get rebuilt to use the updated package?
[15:48] <maxb> _Andrew: because that's not how PPAs (or the Ubuntu archive, or the Debian archive, or any other distro of vaguely similar form's archive that I know of) work
[15:49] <_Andrew> So I need to re upload the packages even though I haven't changed anything to get them to rebuild using the new dependencies?
[15:49] <maxb> Indeed.
[15:49] <_Andrew> ok thanks
[15:49] <maxb> Assuming they *actually* need to be rebuilt
[15:50] <maxb> Which is not always the case, which is why it's not automatic
[15:53] <_Andrew> I wish that was the case but someone stupidly put the version number in this package name
[15:53] <_Andrew> So everytime I update the package version the name changes..
[15:53] <_Andrew> I need to change that really..
[15:54]  * maxb wonders how wgrant can deduce precisely which appserver is the slow one :-)
[15:56]  * maxb can't see anything in https://edge.launchpad.net/~andrewfenn/+archive/ogredev with a version in its name
[16:03] <mok0> Man, launchpad is completely unusable today
[16:04] <mok0> Something is seriously wrong with the server
[16:07] <statik> i keep getting intermittent 502 bad gateway errors from xmlrpc.edge.launchpad.net/bazaar/  when trying to merge or push bzr branches
[16:36] <geser> statik: one of the edge app servers has a bad day today (since the last edge roll-out)
[16:44] <MTeck> D:
[16:44] <MTeck> downtime :(
[20:20]  * kfogel is away: packing up laptop to go to onShore.  again.
[22:12] <wgrant> maxb: OOPS is a few times and see which letters are missing.
[22:12] <wgrant> s/is/it/
[22:13] <maxb> devious :-)
[22:21] <thumper> ??
[22:22] <maxb> * maxb wonders how wgrant can deduce precisely which appserver is the slow one :-)
[22:23] <thumper> maxb: the server number is part of the oops id
[22:35] <andresmujica> hi, with launchpadlib i can get the LP login with bug_task.bug.owner.name  where bug_task = launchpad.load(URL)  how can i get the real name?
[22:36] <thumper> bug_task.bug.owner.displayname
[22:36] <andresmujica> thks
[22:37] <daishadar> i'm trying to learn how to build my ppa package for multiple distributions.  i'm using pbuilder-dist to build the same source for both jaunty and karmic.  do i need to have separate changelogs for my source for each dist when i upload to launchpad (so it knows what distribution to use)?
[22:37] <daishadar> and is there some conventional way to manage that without copying over the source for each distro?
[22:38]  * thumper wonders if it is displayname or display_name
[22:39] <thumper> andresmujica: display_name
[22:39] <andresmujica> display_name  ... testing right now
[22:40] <andresmujica> it failed with the first... :)  where can i find documentation about that kind of stuff? i mean all the objects loaded by launchpad.load ?
[22:42] <wgrant> andresmujica: https://edge.launchpad.net/+apidoc
[22:42] <wgrant> I'm surprised you got very far without it.
[22:44] <andresmujica> i was using already developed scripts as a base, but now i really need it.. thks
[22:50] <thumper> morning wgrant
[22:51] <wgrant> Morning thumper.
[22:55] <geser> maxb: it would be even better if wgrant would know a way to work around the slow one
[23:07] <geser> are the OOPS tracebacks still private?
[23:15] <wgrant> geser: Yes.
[23:15] <wgrant> Although I don't see why.
[23:16] <wgrant> lazr.restful has always given the exception message (except in 500s; it says they might contain sensitive info)
[23:16] <geser> that would be my next question :) as LP is now open-source
[23:17] <wgrant> It's possible that private object information could be revealed.
[23:17] <wgrant> Particularly now there are private teams, even the existence of which is meant to be secret (but isn't really).
[23:19] <geser> but the OOPS could be made public to the one who caused it (LP knows who is currently logged-in) and the LP admins
[23:19] <wgrant> Even so.
[23:19] <wgrant> The traceback shouldn't -- but might -- contain privileged information.
[23:24] <wgrant> It's not too bad to have to poke a Canonical person to look at OOPSes, I don't think.
[23:24] <lifeless> geser: open source means the /code/ is open
[23:24] <lifeless> we'd have no concerns about the code being shown. But urls disclose database state, as do variable values
[23:25] <lifeless> and the Canonical run launchpad instances have data that various users consider private
[23:26] <wgrant> Security proxies should protect from leakage, even in tracebacks, but a lot of the security stuff is done manually.
[23:26] <wgrant> (ew)
[23:29]  * geser enjoys the nice AJAX(?) loading when opening bug #230016 (once I got a working app server)
[23:29]  * wgrant runs to uni.
[23:30] <spm> given that some users get shirty about addresses in bug reports etc; any "unnecessary" info exposure should be avoided. my 2c based on dealing with LP users info. - independent of my professional/work viewpoint.
[23:30] <wgrant> geser: That's not AJAX; it's just broken, slow, synchronous JavaScript.
[23:31] <wgrant> Wow, that really is awful.
[23:31]  * wgrant vanishes.
[23:34] <geser> it's better to err to the safe side with private data


[17:28] <Lexicade> Is there a way to allow a script to run a command under a different user, ideally without entering a password?
[17:28] <magneticduck> thanks to default insanely bleeding edge repos
[17:28] <k1l> dmead: sudo apt-get --reinstall install python-debian
[17:28] <ActionParsnip> dmead: ahh 14.04. There is no Ubuntu 14.
[17:29] <Lexicade> l
[17:29] <k1l> magneticduck: well, you are on a LTS ubuntu, which is as far away from archlinux as possible :)
[17:29] <dmead> when i do sudo apt-get --reinstall install python-debian the same error happens
[17:30] <ActionParsnip> Dmead: if you install the deb using dpkg is it OK?
[17:30] <dmead> ActionParsnip: no
[17:30] <dmead> tried that
[17:30] <dmead> wait sorry. i haven't
[17:30] <Callek> so I use tab'd viewing in the bash prompt with ubuntu vivid, I'd like to be able to "name" the tabs, rather than simply showing user@pc_name:directory -- is there a way to do that other than writing a sed script to modify PS1 when I want to?
[17:30] <ActionParsnip> dmead: the deb will be in /var/cache/apt/archives
[17:31] <ActionParsnip> dmead: also try using the force option of dpkg
[17:31] <dmead> ok the deb installed
[17:31] <EriC^^> Lexicade: you can add su - <user> -c /path/to/script to visudo
[17:31] <Callek> since PS1 is \[\e]0;\u@\h: \w\a\]${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h:\w\$
[17:31] <dmead> then when i try to reinstall python-debian the error still happens
[17:31] <ActionParsnip> Callek: I use colours in the prompt to show what's what
[17:32] <EriC^^> Lexicade: <user> ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: su - <other user> -c "/path/to/script"
[17:32] <Ben64> dmead: what did you do between when it worked and now
[17:32] <Lexicade> Excellent, that sound sideal
[17:32] <Lexicade> Thanks EriC^^
[17:32] <Callek> basically I want to be able to do something like `changetitle FOO` to change the tab title to FOO
[17:32] <dmead> Ben64: nothing. the dpkg installed but then when i try to reinstall with apt it fails
[17:32] <Callek> if I could insert a dynamically evaluated var in there somehow thatd be best
[17:32] <Callek> e.g. I coul djust do export MY_TAB_TITLE=FOO
[17:32] <ActionParsnip> dmead: sudo update-alternatives --config python      switch to a different version
[17:33] <Ben64> dmead: no i mean when you installed everything worked, and now you get that error. what happened in between
[17:33] <EriC^^> Lexicade: no problem
[17:33] <dmead> ActionParsnip: update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for python
[17:33] <ActionParsnip> dmead: http://askubuntu.com/questions/246970/apt-get-broken-no-module-named-debian-deb822
[17:33] <dmead> Ben64: literally nothing
[17:33] <Ben64> dmead: so ubuntu has always given you that error? time to reinstall
[17:33] <dmead> this is fine: dpkg -i python-debian_0.1.21+nmu2ubuntu2_all.deb
[17:33] <k1l> dmead: have you fiddled with python?
[17:34] <dmead> k1l: no
[17:34] <k1l> dmead: like PPAs or 3rd party packages?
[17:34] <dmead> yea ppas i think
[17:34] <dmead> hmm
[17:35] <k1l> dmead: please pastebin a "ls -al /etc/apt/sources.list.d"
[17:35] <AcidRain> is there a batch channel?
[17:35] <dmead> k1l: just docker.lst
[17:36] <hrusti_> my server provider had issues with their servers yesterday and they had to restart it and now I can't ssh to console but I can just use console on their website. If I type sshd I get error that sshserver is not installed but other data is on server. Does this means that they somehow deleted my ssh-server?
[17:36] <jhutchins> ActionParsnip: batch?
[17:36] <clayan> O:-)
[17:36] <ActionParsnip> jhutchins: that's what I thought
[17:36] <hrusti_> I can't ssh to server*
[17:36] <jhutchins> hrusti_: ps ax | grep ssh; /etc/init.d/sshd restart
[17:37] <Ben64> hrusti_: try sudo service ssh status
[17:37] <jhutchins> hrusti_: service sshd restart
[17:37] <ActionParsnip> hrusti_: can you pastebin the output of:  ssh -v user@server
[17:37] <ActionParsnip> hrusti_: obviously change user and server in the command
[17:38] <hrusti_> ActionParsnip: Connection refused
[17:38] <akik> what is a batch channel?
[17:38] <Lexicade> How bad would it be to add www-data into the sudo group?
[17:39] <Ben64> Lexicade: don't see a reason for it, and certainly less secure
[17:39] <hrusti_> Ben64: ssh unrecognized service
[17:39] <k1l> dmead: sudo update-alternatives --config python
[17:39] <Ben64> hrusti_: yep looks like you should contact their support
[17:39] <k1l> dmead: if you can choose between 2.6 and 2.7 use 2.7
[17:39] <ActionParsnip> hrusti_: OK then you will need to attend the server side to see if the ssh server is running, on what port and so forth. You can hit the server but you are being ejected. It may just be super busy
[17:39] <Lexicade> I figured security would certainly be an issue, but I have hit a point where im not sure how to fix it, and if I allowed www-data to have full access that I could maybe fix that
[17:40] <ActionParsnip> Lexicade: are you logging in as www-data?
[17:40] <Lexicade> No
[17:40] <Ben64> Lexicade: explain what you want to do
[17:40] <hrusti_> ActionParsnip: they have console on their webapp. I can login there.
[17:40] <ActionParsnip> Lexicade: then what is the purpose of adding the user to sudo?
[17:40] <hrusti_> looks like I should install sshserver, right?
[17:41] <ActionParsnip> hrusti_: that'll do it  :-)
[17:41] <Lexicade> The thing Im wanting to do is run access a screen via www-data since im running a script via PHP
[17:41] <ActionParsnip> hrusti_: it's openssh-server but yes, if it's not installed
[17:41] <hrusti_> I was just curious if there is some magic behind that allows to connect to ssh.
[17:41] <Lexicade> I'v tried multiuser screens but I cant get that to work...
[17:42] <Lexicade> Might try aagin but not sure what else  can try there
[17:42] <Ben64> Lexicade: doesn't make sense
[17:42] <ActionParsnip> hrusti_: it's a simple creature with many features which you can enable / disable
[17:42] <Lexicade> Okay, I have a screen.
[17:42] <hrusti_> it is weird because I can connect through their website console which I thought use ssh as well
[17:42] <dmead> k1l: gotcha
[17:42] <Lexicade> I want to interact with thet screen with a script I run via PHP
[17:43] <ActionParsnip> Lexicade: like a monitor screen, or screen as in the software?
[17:43] <Lexicade> software
[17:43] <Lexicade> screen command
[17:43] <ActionParsnip> OK, just checking
[17:43] <Gnjurac> hi
[17:43] <Gnjurac> what comand to add to start some program minimized?
[17:43] <Gnjurac> --minimized?
[17:44] <ActionParsnip> Lexicade: you can write to TTYs as long as they are allowing it. You can also use wall and so forth
[17:44] <ActionParsnip> Gnjurac: you'd need to read the man pages for the command. It varys
[17:44] <Ben64> Gnjurac: there isn't anything universal like that
[17:44] <hrusti_> ActionParsnip: so the question is: how is console in their website connecting to my server if there is no openssh-server?
[17:44] <erbepl> hello
[17:45] <dmead> k1l:  now i just get ImportError: No module named debian.deb822
[17:45] <dmead> and i'm on pything 279
[17:45] <dmead> *python
[17:46] <k1l> dmead: ok, next idea i have: "sudo apt-get --reinstall install python-chardet"
[17:49] <Kion> hrusti_: If on your console you do 'sudo netstat -tvnlp'  you should see the ssh daemon listening on some port.
[17:50] <jhutchins> hrusti_: It's actually connecting to the VM hypervisor, so it's like a locally attached console.
[17:50] <Kion> hrusti_: at least this will tell you if your server is listening, maybe your server company changed their firewall rules disallowing your connection to the ssh
[17:50] <hrusti_> Kion: it is empty
[17:51] <jhutchins> hrusti_: I would guess that sshd was not set to start at boot.
[17:51] <Kion> hrusti_: then try 'sudo service sshd start'
[17:51] <hrusti_> jhutchins: there is no sshd installed in machine
[17:51] <Kion> if no sshd is installed go ahead and install it
[17:52] <swaraj> Hey
[17:52] <EriC^^> try sudo service ssh start
[17:52] <swaraj> I have a doubt regarding token based api calls
[17:52] <jhutchins> hrusti_: You're certain?  dpkg -l | grep ssh doesn't show ssh-server?
[17:52] <Ben64> guys. its not installed
[17:52] <stiv2k> does anybody know how to change the power settings for the login screen... i.e. when to put the display to sleep and when to put the computer to sleep? For some reason the monitor goes to sleep VERY quickly, like in a few seconds, at the login screen
[17:52] <Ben64> tried like 20 different ways to check. there is no ssh server installed
[17:53] <hrusti_> jhutchins: no I just apt-get install openssh-server
[17:53] <hrusti_> now it is installing
[17:53] <Ben64> hrusti_: you should really contact the support and see what happened, its not normal for packages to get uninstalled
[17:54] <Kion> hrusti_: I recommend that you turn off password authentication and create your keys to connect with sshd, I have tens to hundreds of hack tries on my ssh servers
[17:55] <hrusti_> Ben64: I do agree. Lucky I just bought server yesterday and I got mail "We've had to reboot your Droplet due to an issue on the underlying physical node where the Droplet runs. We are investigating the health of the physical node to determine whether this was a single incident or systemic."
[17:55] <dmead> k1l http://pastebin.com/E9S2ppcW
[17:55] <dmead> the process just bombs out
[17:55] <ren0v0> Nautilus doesn't support NFS right? is there another file explorer in the repos that does?
[17:55] <hrusti_> Kion: I did yesterday
[17:55] <dmead> because of a coding or dep issue in /usr/lib/update-notifier/package-data-downloader
[17:56] <Ben64> dmead: seriously, what did you do to cause this problem
[17:56] <hrusti_> Kion: install chroot on your server :P
[17:56] <dmead> Ben64: fuck if i know :/
[17:57] <dmead> just gonna reinstall i guess
[17:57] <Ben64> seems like you uninstalled an important package or something like that. don't do it again?
[17:57] <kame> hi
[17:57] <EriC^^> hi
[17:58] <kame> How can I work on a textfile when I use two laptops.
[17:58] <kame> ?
[17:58] <Shibe> How can I upgrade to python 2.7.9 from 2.7.6 on ubuntu 14.04 / mint 17.2
[17:58] <kame> on *one* textfile simultanous
[17:58] <auronandace> !mint | Shibe
[17:59] <Shibe> auronandace: mint 17.2 and 14.04 have the same package base
[17:59] <jhutchins> Kion: There is no good reason to run sshd on port 22.
[17:59] <stiv2k> does anybody know how to change the power settings for the login screen... i.e. when to put the display to sleep and when to put the computer to sleep? For some reason the monitor goes to sleep VERY quickly, like in a few seconds, at the login screen
[17:59] <badbodh> Shibe, it's rude to ask here, considering linuxmint pre-configures hexchat to connect to mint's official help channel
[18:00] <Shibe> sigh
[18:00] <Shibe> except that this channel is much larger and getting support here would be faster
[18:00] <Ben64> Shibe: so then don't use mint if you don't like their support
[18:00] <Shibe> Ben64: they have the same package base
[18:00] <Shibe> I don't see why there's an issue
[18:00] <Ben64> because its mint, not ubuntu
[18:00] <Shibe> ppas for 14.04 will work with mint 17.2
[18:00] <xpl0iter> I am trying to add 2nd IP address to eth0 by using ip addr add command. But the examples I see in internet are showing as ip addr add <IP_ADDRESS>/24 dev eth0. My question is why /24 it should be /32 right?
[18:00] <Shibe> except that mint is modified ubuntu
[18:00] <Ben64> Shibe: yeah, so not ubuntu
[18:01] <badbodh> mint uses it's own repos over ubuntu's, different package versions = subtle differences
[18:01] <_adam_> Hi! Guys, anyone has some experience how i could read the fan sppeds on my laptop? lm-sensors only see the coretemp module
[18:01] <akik> stiv2k: you could look up dpms and xorg
[18:02] <xpl0iter> somebody?
[18:02] <akik> stiv2k: you can set the timeouts in xorg.conf.d e.g. Option "DPMS" "true" and then the timeout options separately
[18:02] <Ben64> xpl0iter: its for the network mask, use whatever you want
[18:03] <stiv2k> akik: is that going to interfere with my user applied power settings?
[18:03] <akik> stiv2k: i'm not sure, never tried. but you could set the same timeouts
[18:03] <stiv2k> akik: i do believe the greeter should come with its own GUI for changing settings
[18:04] <_adam_> Or what is better question, how i could configure the fan to be more responsive..i ment it needs to turn on at lower temerature
[18:04] <shuaizi> excuse me,how can I shut down another computer with its IP?
[18:04] <stiv2k> akik: users shuold not have to mess with xorg.conf just to change screen timeout
[18:04] <Kion> jhutchins: I actually do have it on port 22, and yes, I use to have way less tries when I ran on a different port. but I trust on the keys, and also run Fail2Ban
[18:04] <akik> stiv2k: just saying..
[18:04] <Kion> jhutchins: I am not a security trhough obscurity type of guy
[18:04] <xpl0iter> Ben64, Oh so my network mask is /20 So I use that over there. Thanks man.
[18:05] <akik> stiv2k: there are a lot of things that can be configured in config files, and not in the gui
[18:05] <shuaizi> who can help me ?
[18:05] <Ben64> shuaizi: ssh in and type "sudo poweroff" then enter your password
[18:05] <cliluw> What's the difference between using add-apt-repository and doing "cat deb PKGREPO trusty main >> /etc/apt/sources.list"?
[18:05] <shuaizi> thx
[18:06] <stiv2k> akik: yes, but i feel like that goes against ubuntu's mission, to make people edit system files for a simple tweak
[18:06] <hrusti_> Kion: I added create key to connect to ssh and setup a password with sudo passwd. Shouldn't server ask me for password as well?
[18:06] <akik> stiv2k: can you point me to the ubuntu mission where it says that users should not edit config files?
[18:06] <asd_> _asd_,  yo
[18:07] <akik> stiv2k: because at that moment i will stop using ubuntu
[18:07] <erbepl> Hello, I need help. I've installed the Gnome Classic Desktop and Ubuntu doesn't start
[18:07] <Kion> hrusti_: the sudo passwd is to set a System password, and what I am telling you to disallow is connection authentication to ssh trough the system password.
[18:07] <shuaizi> I want to shut down another win7 computer over net,how can I?
[18:07] <stiv2k> akik: well forgive me if i'm wrong but isn't it made so that anyone can use it? not just linux experts?
[18:07] <Ben64> shuaizi: ask ##windows
[18:08] <Kion> hrusti_: there are several authentication mecanisms, I allways turn off password, as this will render any bruteforce attack useless
[18:08] <Ben64> stiv2k: you don't have to be an expert to edit a text file
[18:08] <erbepl> There is a black screen while choosing Ubuntu in Grub (monitor goes off, but keyboard is working). I tried a reboot comand but nothing happens
[18:08] <stiv2k> akik: having to go to xorg.conf to edit a screen timeout is certainly not something a casual user is comfortable doing
[18:08] <stiv2k> Ben64: ^
[18:08] <erbepl> ^k test
[18:08] <hrusti_> Kion: ok but isn't possible to have password besides key as well?
[18:08] <akik> stiv2k: there's so much history in x11/xorg/gnome/kde/ubuntu that not everything can be made to suite everybody
[18:08] <Kion> hrusti_: just make sure you keep your secret key secure
[18:08] <stiv2k> Ben64: its not just any text file, its a system file, one false keystroke and their whole X server breaks
[18:09] <badbodh> stiv2k, being user friendly doesn;t imply removing ability to make advanced tweaks for those who can. that's against the mission of linux.
[18:09] <shuaizi> thanks very much
[18:09] <badbodh> *cough* gnome *cough*
[18:09] <mjayk> badbodh: linux doesn't have a mission :p its a kernel
[18:09] <stiv2k> badbodh: agreed, but a monitor timeout is most definitely not an "advanced tweak"
[18:09] <stiv2k> thats like, the most basic of settings
[18:09] <Kion> hrusti_: Yes, I think it is possible to also use a password, but why would you need tha for? seriously it is like impossible to figure out the secret key.
[18:09] <erbepl> is there possibility to backup a system before installing the Gnome?
[18:10] <erbepl> I can start Ubuntu choosing Advanced options, and I have Gnome
[18:10] <badbodh> control center> power > must be some setting
[18:10] <hrusti_> Kion: that's why I want to have password as well (if someone steal my key)
[18:10] <stiv2k> badbodh: you would think so! but the settings in the control center only apply to the logged in user, not to the greeter
[18:11] <Ben64> hrusti_: thats why you have a key, its like a password, but thousands of letters long
[18:11] <hrusti_> Kion: key is saved in my filesystem and someone can steal it, right?
[18:11] <badbodh> greeter follows dpms rules, will go to sleep after 15 minutes by default. you can tweak lightdm's config to force it sleep earlier.
[18:11] <stiv2k> badbodh: 15 minutes?
[18:11] <stiv2k> badbodh: mine goes to sleep in 15 seconds
[18:11] <stiv2k> probably less
[18:11] <hrusti_> Ben64, Kion: so password protection will be used as 2 factor authentication
[18:11] <stiv2k> D:
[18:12] <badbodh> then check lightdm config files.
[18:12] <Ben64> hrusti_: its pointless, if someone can steal your key a little password is nothing
[18:12] <Kion> hrusti_: ok that is good. you have added some extra security. just make sure that the server needs BOTH the key and the password, and not only one, I would definitely try to enter from a computer without the secret key just to test. And don't forget to install Fail2Ban
[18:12] <badbodh> look in /etc/lightdm and /usr/share/lightdm
[18:12] <stiv2k> badbodh: is lightDM also used in ubuntu-gnome 14.04? thats what im running
[18:12] <badbodh> oh. that's gdm
[18:12] <tuinkabouter34> is there a dutch person in the channel that can help me
[18:12] <badbodh> to hell with gdm, mine goes to sleep the moment i logout
[18:12] <stiv2k> badbodh: lol
[18:12] <badbodh> now i use lightdm/cinnamon combo
[18:13] <badbodh> to hell with gdm, to north korea with gnome-shell
[18:13] <stiv2k> yes
[18:13] <badbodh> ^^ get the joke? "shell"
[18:13] <stiv2k> i am starting to fell that way too
[18:13] <stiv2k> feel
[18:13] <hrusti_> Ben64: I dont think so. For example if I lost my computer someone can access to my key, but if he doesn't know what password is how can he get it? Imo it makes sense to use both.
[18:14] <stiv2k> so many things in gnome3 that you would think are very very basic, but somehow they forgot to include
[18:14] <stiv2k> like
[18:14] <stiv2k> how to make a f#$king launcher on the desktop
[18:14] <stiv2k> what were they thinking?
[18:14] <badbodh> don;t even get started. if you don;t like gnome, nobody is forcing you to. there are better DE's that look less fancy but got more usability
[18:14] <stiv2k> yes
[18:15] <stiv2k> i am fully aware of my options
[18:15] <badbodh> let's end it here
[18:15] <Kion> hrusti_: also 'chmod 700'  your key so it is better protected from someone else, that will require your system password to read the file.
[18:15] <Dumle29> A124: So I called the ISP, and they told me the routher I have is part of a LSN, so my "Global IP" is in fact no global. They said I could get a global IP, and he said "Oh well I'll just give you one for free for 2 years" which was very generous, but it only managed to disconnect me from the WAN
[18:15] <stiv2k> its just silly to see the regression of gnome over the years
[18:15] <Dumle29> A124: So yeah, it wasn't because of ubuntu, but thanks for the help
[18:15] <akik> stiv2k: what is so funny is that gnome came back to ubuntu as mate
[18:16] <stiv2k> akik: isnt that the old gnome 2.x ?
[18:16] <shuaizi> how can I shut down another computer with its IP and command ask?
[18:16] <A124> Dumle29 Hummm. So you got it. nice.
[18:16] <akik> stiv2k: yes, just the way i like it
[18:16] <badbodh> stiv2k, join -offtopic and let's bash gnome.
[18:16] <hrusti_> Kion: I am getting this error when I try to connect to server: the RSA host key for 'my-domain.com' differs from the key for the IP address '<IP_ADDRESS>'
[18:16] <Ben64> shuaizi: you asked that before and got an answer
[18:16] <stiv2k> badbodh: hey you were the one who said send it to north korea LOL
[18:16] <Dumle29> A124: Well yeah. Except powercycling the routher, which reestablished my WAN connection, also dropped the global IP, so now I'm back in the LSN
[18:17] <shuaizi> but it does not work
[18:17] <Ben64> shuaizi: go to ##windows for windows support
[18:17] <Kion> hrusti_: Actually you can configure ssh to use 2 step authentication using google authenticator, which is open source. but I have never set it up and of course I do know how to set it up
[18:17] <akik> shuaizi: do you have access rights on the win7 box?
[18:17] <Ben64> akik: don't do windows support here
[18:17] <stiv2k> badbodh: i think you have inspired me to try cinnamon, thanks
[18:17] <shuaizi> yes
[18:18] <A124> Dumle29 Wut? :D You should have retained the global one
[18:18] <akik> Ben64: ok
[18:18] <shuaizi> I don't know what's the meaning of ##.
[18:18] <hrusti_> Kion: Yeah I know google auth I am using it in one of my webapp for 2fa.
[18:18] <Ben64> shuaizi: you're in #ubuntu, for Ubuntu support. you're asking about windows, join ##windows                /join ##windows
[18:19] <shuaizi> ok
[18:19] <Kion> hrusti_: I don't understant the error message you are getting.
[18:19] <badbodh> shuaizi, on ubuntu's end, we can suggest you openssh to send shell commands to remote pc-s, our job's done :)
[18:20] <Dumle29> A124: Yeah, it's weird. Actually checking the WAN IP in my router, says the same as cmyip.com
[18:21] <A124> Dumle29 Another power cycle maybe.
[18:21] <hrusti_> Kion: it is actually warning but anyway.. I guess it is due to server restart(recreate?) so host key differs from yesterday because it was regenerated as well
[18:23] <hrusti_> Kion: I have checkd Fail2Ban, seems cool but I hope I won't ban myself with that :)
[18:24] <Kion> hrusti_: Yes, configure the ban time for like 5 minutes before trying it so in case you ban yourself it is only 5 minutes and the you can correct whatever, and when you have it right, set the ban time for 3 hours or so.
[18:26] <Kion> hrusti_: I think most of us have at some point at least once locked ourselves out of a server while doing firewall/security things Lol.
[18:27] <hrusti_> Kion: hope not permanently :)
[18:27] <Dumle29> A124: I'll try
[18:29] <Kion> hrusti_: When it happened to me, It definitely made me try some creative solutions to regain control of my server, it totally felt like when NASA looses a probe and they are here trying all sorts of things to regain control.
[18:31] <LiENUS> so ubuntu's copy of xca is woefully out of date (like a year now) and the package for wiley is slated to be the same version as vivid, i realize its too late for wiley but what do i need to do to get it noticed for X as in X and bacon?
[18:32] <kike_> hi all
[18:34] <kike_> any idea how can I compress each file (ISOs around 4GB) in one folder to a different compressed file? I Mean, like doing it one by one... compress each file to its own compressed file
[18:35] <EriC^^> kike_: for i in *; do tar czvf "$i.tar.gz" "$i"; done
[18:35] <KaFiR> 1 c99 just $2 USD
[18:35] <KaFiR> 1 cpanel $5 USD
[18:35] <KaFiR> mail list $7 usd 25 email
[18:35] <KaFiR> mail list and password hash 10 $usd 10 email
[18:35] <KaFiR> SMTP just $10 USD
[18:35] <KaFiR> rdp $25 usd
[18:35] <KaFiR> root $50 usd
[18:35] <kike_> EriC^^, thanks! looks like it's gonna work :)
[18:35] <jaska__> does someone know how to use gnome login screen in unity
[18:36] <EriC^^> kike_: no problem :)
[18:36] <hrusti_> Kion: hahaha I can imagine, especially myself, I won't have a clue even what to try, where to start.. Have a lot of doubts even now.. I just bought server yesterday from one of most known server providers and they had to restart it today. I would be pissed off if this would be my production server, though. Makes me think that I have to buy hundreds of servers just for backups :)
[18:36] <Ben64> hrusti_: well you got a vps
[18:37] <hrusti_> Ben64: for?
[18:37] <Ben64> hrusti_: i don't know what you got it for, but it's not really a "server" as such
[18:38] <hrusti_> Ben64: you mean dedicated?
[18:38] <Ben64> yep
[18:39] <hrusti_> you are right but anyway, it think it should be stable?
[18:39] <hrusti_> not to restart it next day, and remove openssh-server?
[18:39] <Ben64> it should be, but since you don't have full control over the hardware and software things like that can happen
[18:40] <julian-delphiki> I'd always recommend a VPS :)
[18:40] <hrusti_> julian-delphiki: was this sarcasm?
[18:41] <julian-delphiki> i'd always recommend a VPS if I didn't have control over the hardware.
[18:41] <kike_> EriC^^, thanks again. Works like a charm. I must learn how to do this things ASAP!
[18:41] <EriC^^> kike_: great, yeah it's handy :)
[18:41] <jaska__> does someone know how to use gnome login screen unity?
[18:42] <hrusti_> julian-delphiki: yeah, and then it fails next day, great :P
[18:43] <calher> I can't install Mumble.
[18:43] <Ben64> calher: sudo apt-get install mumble
[18:43] <hrusti_> julian-delphiki: have a dedicated production server for half a year now, everything works like a charm.
[18:43] <calher> Is Ubuntu being stupid by putting Mumble in "Universe" or some needless hassle?
[18:43] <julian-delphiki> hrusti_: I just don't see the point :) Too prone to failure
[18:44] <calher> Ben64: I tried sud apt-get install mumble. I even did sudo apt-get update and then did it again. It didn't work.
[18:44] <Seveas> calher: like most software, it is indeed in 'universe'
[18:44] <kike_> EriC^^, just to see if i get it, if I'll do something like :    for i in a*.txt; do tar czvf "$i.tar.gz" "$i"; done   ¿will it only tar the txt files staring by 'a'?
[18:45] <kike_> *I mean starting.
[18:45] <EriC^^> kike_: yeah
[18:45] <calher> Seveas: This angers me and I want to punch a hole in the wall. There is no reason for  regular stuff to be disabled by default. This did not happen on Mint and Trisquel!
[18:45] <kike_> great
[18:45] <Ben64> kike_: you can use echo to find exactly what it does
[18:45] <Seveas> calher: universe is not disabled by default. Take your andger to /dev/null please.
[18:45] <Ben64> kike_: for example...  for i in *; do echo tar czvf "$i.tar.gz" "$i"; done
[18:46] <kike_> Ben64, OK. I see. but it doesn't run tar. just 'preview' the command list. usefull! :)
[18:47] <Ben64> kike_: yep, all sorts of useful stuff in the terminal
[18:47] <josuebrunel> test
[18:47] <Seveas> failed
[18:47] <EriC^^> pass
[18:48] <kike_> josuebrunel, test ack
[18:48] <godbod>  test2 from the rich client
[18:48] <Ben64> godbod: josuebrunel: please use #test in the future
[18:48] <godbod>  sorry buddy we will do our best
[18:48] <kike_> #test
[18:49] <josuebrunel> just like we love #ubuntu so much ^_^
[18:49] <Seveas> guys, cut it out.
[18:49] <josuebrunel> ok we're done. Thank you
[18:49] <kike_> ahhh ok. shit. # means a channel...
[18:49] <josuebrunel> have good one guys, see ya ;-)
[18:49] <calher> Whoever said Universe is not disabled by default is a liar.
[18:50] <Lexicade> I've hit a bit of a roadblock... im trying to run a command in another users screen session, but im getting a Permission Denied error. I tried sudo'ing it but it apparnelt doesnt exist when I do that.
[18:50] <godbod>  /list
[18:50] <calher> I tok the effort of using the stupid graphical app installer and it asked me to enable the Universe source
[18:50] <Lexicade> And I cant change ther permissions of the screen folders because it refuses to work if I do
[18:51] <Seveas> Lexicade: the other user needs to give you permission to do so
[18:51] <Lexicade> acladd user?
[18:51] <Seveas> yup
[18:51] <Lexicade> Hmm
[18:51] <Lexicade> I'll try that, I thought I did that, no harm in doing again.
[18:52] <Seveas> Lexicade: ah, and screen needs to be setuid root for those shenanigans to work, which by default it is not in Ubuntu
[18:52] <Lexicade> setuid being a apt package?
[18:52] <Seveas> Lexicade: no.... a file mode.
[18:53] <Lexicade> Oh right, I misinterpreted what you meant
[18:57] <jaska__> hi. does someone know how to use gnome login screen in ubuntu (unity) 14.04?
[18:58] <andres__> HOW DO YOU SIMS
[18:58] <m_wynn> jaska__: you will need to use "gdm" instead of "lightdm"
[18:59] <jaska__> how i do that andres?
[18:59] <jaska__> i dont want mes s
[18:59] <jaska__> up unity
[19:01] <jaska__> ....
[19:01] <jaska__> ....
[19:01] <jaska__> ....
[19:01] <jaska__> ....
[19:08] <ren0v0> If MTU is set to "auto" in network manager, does that mean it'll use 9000MTU  if the device i'm connect to supports it? yet "ifconfig" shows MTU 1500 ??
[19:09] <kike_> EriC^^, compression ratio is null :( compressed size is just the same as original file. I'll keep trying.
[19:10] <Seveas> ren0v0: no, auto does not mean jumbo frames are enabled
[19:11] <korsakof> ren0v0: I'm pretty sure that mtu is not negociated... auto is misleading... default (1500) would be better
[19:12] <ren0v0> korsakof, Seveas right, auto is definitely misleading as its in fact incorrect
[19:12] <ren0v0> thanks!
[19:14] <paultjuh> I have a usb stick which used to have different things on it. Now I try to put an ubuntu installer on it with the startup disk creator. I removed all partitions, but according to startup disk creator it is 100% used, also ubuntu itself automaticly mounts a partition
[19:14] <paultjuh> parted + fdisk says there are no partitions
[19:14] <paultjuh> startup disk creator crashes with an error when clicking erase
[19:15] <paultjuh> anyone an idea where this ghost usage comes from?
[19:15] <scou13t> hi
[19:17] <akik> paultjuh: if you use eject, the device node for the usb stick gets removed. so maybe use umount to unmount the partition, then look into fdisk and remove the existing partition
[19:17] <paultjuh> akik: I did that already
[19:17] <paultjuh> eject, umount, remove from usb port
[19:18] <paultjuh> still: ubuntu auto mounts a partition, parted+fdisk say that there are no partitions, startup disk create has no space
[19:18] <OerHeks> paultjuh, what kind of usb device is this, U3 perhaps? ( comes with portable apps)
[19:18] <kike_> ren0v0, don't ask me why but based on my experience on a ADSL helpdesk a couple of years MTU at 1492 has worked perfect for almost all customers experiencing problems. MTU is stabilized by the ISP (or network...) you can't negotiate a bigger one but most of the times you can force a smaller one. in my case 1492 is perfect
[19:18] <akik> paultjuh: what do you mean ubuntu automounts a partition if there are no partitions on the usb stick
[19:19] <OerHeks> akik it can, i know U3 has a protected partition.
[19:19] <paultjuh> akik: it is a micro sd card into a usb stick converter
[19:20] <paultjuh> I have created on this same thing an ubuntu installer a couple of times
[19:20] <fuzzywuzzzy> I have setup Ubuntu server with Apache 2 and set a non root user and added them to www-data group and set the permissions to 775 on /var/www  Is this a secure setup?
[19:21] <akik> OerHeks: do you mean there's a partition on the U3 that you can not remove?
[19:21] <OerHeks> akik, indeed, but there is a u3-tool to do that. but this is not his situation
[19:21] <OerHeks> !info u3-tool
[19:22] <OerHeks> paultjuh, format that sdcard to fat32, and try again?
[19:23] <paultjuh> OerHeks: there aren't even partitions on it?
[19:23] <paultjuh> Or do I need a parition to write the iso on there?
[19:23] <OerHeks> Formatting to fat32 could help, not sure why your sdcard does not take it, this time.
[19:25] <akik> paultjuh: *usually* you just dd the iso onto the usb stick, no partitioning or formatting needed
[19:25] <paultjuh> ok
[19:25] <kike_> Thank you all for the help! I'm leaving to make some dinner.
[19:26] <paultjuh> it might just have worked by creating that vfat formatting, waiting for the download to be finished now
[19:26] <charms> yo how do I pronounce stinebrickner?
[19:26] <akik> without knowing what your problem is. did you see that automounted partition on the mount list (/etc/mtab or /proc/self/mounts) ?
[19:26] <coldheater> why do you niggers blame whites when cities like detroit are majority Negro, have nigger mayor chief of police and all schools run and attended by negros. But you fucking racist scream Texas
[19:27] <OerHeks> charms, how is that related to ubuntu support?
[19:27] <charms> oh it isn't
[19:27] <Pici> charms: try ##english or #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:27] <paultjuh> akik: both
[19:27] <paultjuh> akik: but I think it works now
[19:28] <XxHardXtremexX> Hi
[19:28] <paultjuh> going to write the startup to it and see how it works
[19:28] <paultjuh> thanks
[19:40] <Bomber4Chats> I need some bash help
[19:40] <Bomber4Chats> i'm trying to figoure out how to preform a find command to get all the sub-folders names and passing it on to a node program I'd like to run
[19:41] <bazhang> #bash Bomber4Chats
[19:41] <Bomber4Chats> k
[19:42] <XxHardXtremexX> H.
[19:42] <XxHardXtremexX> Hi*
[19:44] <OerHeks> Bomber4Chats, a start " find . -type d -print " shows all folders in your /home/
[19:45] <mjayk> hay XxHardXtremexX
[19:46] <XxHardXtremexX> How are we? :D
[19:54] <ZeldaTheSwordsma> Skype for Linux won't install on my computer. Can someone help me? I have Ubuntu 12.10, if that helps
[19:54] <EriC^^> !eolupgrades | ZeldaTheSwordsma
[19:55] <EriC^^> ZeldaTheSwordsma: would be better if you backed up and fresh installed, as you have to upgrade to 13.04 then 13.10 then 14.04 which is supported
[19:56] <EriC^^> ZeldaTheSwordsma: if you need skype temporarily you can still install it if you want
[19:56] <XxHardXtremexX> Zelda, try sudo apt-get -f install.
[19:57] <k1l> ZeldaTheSwordsma: with 12.10 you are way out of support. which means fixing things is the last thing on the todo. updateing (or reinstall) to a supported release should be priority 1
[19:59] <XxHardXtremexX> K1l, I agree with you.
[20:00] <ZeldaTheSwordsma> I don't have space to back up to. So, bugger.
[20:01] <EriC^^> do you have a separate /home partition by any chance?
[20:02] <k1l> like running 12.10 is the better option :/  why dont people stay on LTS if they hate updates?
[20:04] <ip87> Hello! Would it be possible to get some help port forwarding and route setup? I have two physical NICs on a computer; both have internet access, but one is behind a NAT and the other is given a public IP. On this machine I run KVM as well as use it as my primary desktop; it would be nice to have the NATed adapter for host traffic/certain KVM networks, and then the Public adapter for guests I want accessible from elsewhere.
[20:04] <ip87> It would seem like there are two ways to accomplish this: setting priority on the two NICs to favor the NATed one, but port forward from the public IP to specific ports on the KVM guests, OR to use the Public NIC and forward all traffic to a guest acting as router, and let that deal with port forwarding with say, pfSense. The issue I have with bridging adapters for the latter case (that is, requesting a second public IP) is that the a
[20:04] <ip87> However, I tried playing around with iptables and ipvsadm for port forwarding. From what I have read, I need to do a masqueraded port forward due to the separate network that the KVMs run on. When I use iptables (yes, fully flushed with deleted chains, yes forwarding is active), I have been unable to get any forwarded ports to show up as anything but closed, however, I have been able to close opened ports (e.g., host's ssh server). Fo
[20:14] <BustyLoliChan> I need help figuring out where/how a package was installed and how to upgrade it if it is
[20:14] <bekks> BustyLoliChan: Whats the outcome of "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade;"?
[20:17] <BustyLoliChan> many things are happening :O
[20:17] <BustyLoliChan> I'm scared lol
[20:18] <BustyLoliChan> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[20:18] <BustyLoliChan>  linux-image-extra-3.13.0-57-generic : Depends: linux-image-3.13.0-57-generic but it is not installed
[20:18] <BustyLoliChan>  linux-image-generic : Depends: linux-image-3.13.0-57-generic but it is not installed
[20:18] <BustyLoliChan> The actual package I'm trying to find/update is concerto
[20:18] <BustyLoliChan> https://github.com/concerto/concerto/wiki/Installing-Concerto-2
[20:18] <k1l> BustyLoliChan: put all into a pastebin
[20:19] <quants> My employer requires me to have anti spyware and virus protection, I know it's not really needed but please can you tell me the best free ones that actually work
[20:19] <BustyLoliChan> I've honestly never really worked with ruby and I don't really know whether this was installed as a package or made from source
[20:19] <k1l> !info concerto trusty
[20:19] <jhutchins> BustyLoliChan: dpkg -l, dpkg -L
[20:19] <k1l> BustyLoliChan: 3rd party install
[20:19] <BustyLoliChan> It's not there
[20:19] <BustyLoliChan> it's probably made from source
[20:20] <k1l> !clamav
[20:20] <BustyLoliChan> how do you update something made from source? just make install over the old version?
[20:20] <k1l> !info  clamav
[20:20] <Pici> BustyLoliChan: how did you install it?
[20:20] <OerHeks> quants, there are a lot of antivirus apps, notneeded when you install from original sources+key, see !antivirus
[20:20] <k1l> quants: see bots message
[20:20] <BustyLoliChan> I didn't install it. Someone before me did
[20:20] <bekks> BustyLoliChan: "make install" is a safe way to mess up a system.
[20:20] <BustyLoliChan> I'm just trying to update it
[20:20] <genii> BustyLoliChan: You're probably better off to install virtualbox and use the embedded image they provide for Concerto
[20:21] <bekks> BustyLoliChan: You are tryong to update what exactly? And where is your pastebin?
[20:21] <BustyLoliChan> I fear that if I do that all of our current configuration will disappear
[20:21] <BustyLoliChan> I'm waiting to contact the old system administrator
[20:21] <bekks> So safe/migrate your configuration as well.
[20:21] <BustyLoliChan> I was just wondering if I could figure it out in the meantime
[20:21] <quants> OerHeks: please explain, I am relatively new
[20:21] <BustyLoliChan> I'll probably just wait for his instructions
[20:21] <BustyLoliChan> thank you all anyway
[20:21] <jhutchins> BustyLoliChan: You would of course make a backup before changing anything.
[20:22] <BustyLoliChan> I believe the machine this all runs on is actually a virtual machine already
[20:22] <BustyLoliChan> but I'm not sure
[20:22] <BustyLoliChan> I'll just wait for the sys admin lol
[20:22] <wakeatnight> hi i am using gdm + openbox and the keyring sometimes doesn't get unlocked - why?
[20:22] <OerHeks> !antivirus | quants
[20:22] <OerHeks> quants, and maybe this fresh post is a help https://www.av-test.org/en/news/news-single-view/linux-16-security-packages-against-windows-and-linux-malware-put-to-the-test/
[20:23] <quants> OerHeks: thank you
[20:28] <bryann> Ho
[20:28] <bryann> HI
[20:30] <kruger> hello, i'm tring to create a ubuntu uefi custom cdrom, but i've got an error which say: "(initramfs) Unable to find a medium containing a live file system" Any hints?
[20:38] <Guest10903> The security repository hashes do not match what come on the distro.
[20:38] <Guest10903> Is there an ip address of the security reepository instead of url?
[20:39] <Guest10903> It is concievable the dns server is redirecting it.
[20:41] <wileee> Guest10903, Try addressing what has happened not what you think the answer is.
[20:47] <MrNumber3isme> Hello room
[20:47] <Lowi> Hello, this is the first time I am using this chatroom. I have a problem with my internet connection. I am using Linux Mint and it shows that I am connected to Wlan. If I try to open a Website there is a loading error. But yesterday everthing  functioned. I have restarted  the modem a lot of times and if I use Windows there are no problems with the connection and also on my Smartphone everything works. Can somebody help me ?
[20:47] <auronandace> !mint | Lowi
[20:49] <sshazeandroid> Hi, Ubuntu community
[20:50] <ip87> Anyone had thoughts on my port-forwarding question yet?
[20:51] <dionysus69> what would be the command for vagrant add box ?? for this https://atlas.hashicorp.com/confirmation?confirmation_token=HK85M-K7PyDgK53gpurz
[20:51] <dionysus69> its trusty 64
[21:01] <Guest10903> dionysus69: What about trusty64?
[21:02] <dionysus69> says it doesnt exist
[21:02] <dionysus69> anyways now I am downloading from vagrantboxes.es
[21:02] <Guest10903> dionysus69: What doesn't exist?
[21:02] <dionysus69> the box for trusty64
[21:03] <dionysus69> vagrantbox.es *
[21:04] <Guest10903> So it says vagrants don't exist?
[21:04] <Guest10903> Sometimes for sport.
[21:05] <Guest10903> It is illegal in most places.
[21:05] <Guest10903> Sometimes they get shot while going to the well for water.
[21:06] <Guest10903> They do exist sometimes.
[21:11] <root____3> .
[21:12] <auronandace> !ircroot | root____3
[21:12] <auronandace> !rootirc | root____3
[21:12] <MiDOZ> i see trying to fix it
[21:12] <root____3> exit
[21:13] <root____3> exiting*
[21:29] <wakeatnight> hi i am using gdm + openbox and the keyring sometimes doesn't get unlocked - why?
[21:30] <dunkan7> hi is it possible to get some help with SSH?
[21:31] <allizom> dunkan7: if you state your question, people can answer/redirect you accordingly
[21:31] <joshd> I'm having some issues with a small OpenGL+OpenCL interop code I am writing. I get these errors at runtime: http://pastebin.com/b6AT8icm . If I run the code without any OpenCL, it works as expected with no errors. If I symlink /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so to fglrx's libGL.so instead of mesa, it works fine -- however upon next reboot unity will be broken and I have to reinstall fglrx and fix the symlink to get it working again
[21:32] <joshd> at runtime with LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose http://pastebin.com/HvEX82K6
[21:33] <joshd> I guess the issue is the "libGL: screen 0 does not appear to be DRI2 capable" and then it drops back to swrast
[21:33] <joshd> (again, without OpenCL, there are no such errors in the verbose output)
[21:43] <dunkan7> I try to copy files btwn 2 servers with SSH - using command scp - i get error: permission denied, anyone?
[21:45] <k1l> dunkan7: so the identity-file is wrong?
[21:45] <jhutchins> dunkan7: Does ssh work?
[21:46] <jhutchins> dunkan7: What's the path to the file?  Are you trying to move a system file as a regular user?
[21:47] <dunkan7> yes ssh work
[21:48] <jhutchins> dunkan7: Most likely the user does not have read permission on the  source or write permission on the target.
[21:48] <dunkan7> you know how check it?
[21:50] <dunkan7> i try to copy file from source - using FTP - its ok , i try make some dir in the both servers - using ftp  -it's ok
[21:51] <dunkan7> so i suppose I have al permissions
[21:52] <dunkan7> but I'm preppering to copy copy big data - and I cant resolve this problem
[21:53] <MonkeyDust> dunkan7  try rsync, it's similar to scp
[21:57] <dunkan7> bash: rsync: command not found
[21:57] <dunkan7> rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [sender]
[21:57] <dunkan7> rsync error: remote command not found (code 127) at io.c(605) [sender=3.0.9]
[22:00] <smile3333> hello
[22:00] <Wachu_> Hi!
[22:00] <Acerio> Hi!
[22:00] <khax> hi
[22:00] <smile3333>  how will I can make the monitor screen see 100% install steps?
[22:01] <Acerio> smile3333: Check your graphics card settings. It will show options to adjust it. The same happened to my TV monitor
[22:01] <cdk_> ok can someone help me with a startup message that I'm not understanding?
[22:01] <Wachu_> of course we can
[22:03] <smile3333> i start install-try debian from dvd and see only 50%, and cannot continue install
[22:04] <k1l> smile3333: for debian issue better ask the debian specialists at #debian
[22:05] <Guest85556> guys i have just got an error in the software loader, and advice? http://pastebin.com/8vus4n5N
[22:05] <Wachu_> smile3333 are you booting from USB or DVD disc?
[22:05] <smile3333> dvd boot
[22:05] <Wachu_> any scratches on medium?
[22:06] <Wachu_> it could be easier if you try to install debian from Pendrive
[22:07] <smile3333> ok
[22:07] <JunkHunk> hello again I couldn't install mono-gmcs  http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=93814 not even using the mono repository http://www.mono-project.com/docs/getting-started/install/linux/ could anyone help me?
[22:08] <Guest85556> guys i have just got an error in the software loader, and advice? http://pastebin.com/8vus4n5N
[22:10] <Wachu_> so try install from pendrive, you will be sure that is no problem with disc or drive
[22:11] <pnwise> Does anyone know how to get monitor identifier for xorg config file?
[22:11] <Wachu_> pnwise http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=920653
[22:13] <Wachu_> @Guest85556, try 'apt-get install -f'
[22:14] <ubuntu> rudo
[22:14] <Guest81574> hello all
[22:15] <Guest81574> help
 Thanks, but that doesn't really help me. I can't understand just how to find my monitor identifier - I already have Xorg running fine, but I need some custom script for the i3wm to turn off the screen.
[22:19] <JunkHunk> this guy has the exact same problem I have: http://www.emgu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6553
[22:23] <JunkHunk> It seems I cannot install an older version of the mono-mcs package in order to be able to install the mono-gcms package
[22:23] <JunkHunk> in synaptic only the latest version available
[22:24] <RepThis1> Hey guys, im trying to setup wake over lan, but instead over the internet and am having trouble because i dual boot linux with windows. Ok so when i go to send the magic packet, if i had used the machine prior on windows then my ip is changed to from what i had originally. So to fix it i have to reboot to linux then turn it off.
[22:25] <RepThis1> damnit....i just realized this is a network question, but those guys suck.
 You need to look in your router settings and bind the IP to the MAC address
[22:25] <pnwise> ...yep
[22:25] <pnwise> Look for something like static IP option or idk. Search google for your router
[22:26] <JunkHunk> wake? I wonder what that might be?
[22:26] <JunkHunk> is it fun?
[22:28] <JunkHunk> oh cool
[22:29] <JunkHunk> remote power control
[22:29] <JunkHunk> using lan
[22:32] <dlam> i cant get my wired network to work!  i'm on 15.04 with kernel 3.19.0-30  and my card is:  "Qualcomm Atheros Killer E220x Gigabit Ethernet Controller"   anyone know what to check?
[22:35] <PyPie> hello
[22:37] <liquidsnake> hello
[22:38] <PyPie> I'm on Ubuntu 15.04... I have a Python script... how can I run it under my version of Ubuntu? I have the shebang line, I have allowed the file to be executed as a program... I did everything... not working... help!
[22:39] <liquidsnake> no clue
[22:39] <liquidsnake> anyone else?
[22:41] <PyPie> there's no dialog window that should appear to be able to Run the file... I know there was a dialog window that appeared in such situations in earlier versions of Ubuntu
[22:41] <allizom> liquidsnake: we didn't get your question
[22:42] <PyPie> allizom: I was making one
[22:42] <liquidsnake> PyPie is the one with the question
[22:42] <PyPie> I'm on Ubuntu 15.04... I have a Python script... how can I run it under my version of Ubuntu? I have the shebang line, I have allowed the file to be executed as a program... I did everything... not working... help!
[22:42] <PyPie> there ;)
[22:42] <allizom> misunderstood
[22:42] <PyPie> allizom: can you help me out?
[22:43] <liquidsnake> have you searched the net for a wrokaround yet?
[22:43] <liquidsnake> workaround
[22:43] <PyPie> there is no workaround
[22:44] <PyPie> have Googled yes
[22:44] <liquidsnake> ahh
[22:44] <liquidsnake> wished i could help you bu thats out of my field off expertise
[22:45] <PyPie> why did Canonical fucked up this script execution?
[22:45] <liquidsnake> email them and ask them
[22:46] <PyPie> I can't even type in "python" as the program I wanna start my script with... no such option to manually type the name of the app
[22:46] <PyPie> this is lame
[22:47] <pnwise> hos do you run this script?
[22:47] <pnwise> how
[22:47] <PyPie> and I don't have Python on the list if I choose the "Open With" option (right-clicking the file)
[22:47] <PyPie> can't run it at all
[22:47] <PyPie> and it's a GUI script
[22:47] <PyPie> using wxPython + Python
[22:47] <pnwise> What do you do to run it
[22:48] <pnwise> Did you make it executable?
[22:48] <PyPie> pnwise: yes, i did
[22:48] <pnwise> ls -lha sript.py
[22:49] <pnwise> what is the output of the above?
[22:50] <PyPie> -rw-r--r-- 1 bostjan bostjan 2,7K okt  4 01:15 playground.py
[22:51] <pnwise> sudo chmod +x playground.py
[22:52] <PyPie> -rwxr-xr-x 1 bostjan bostjan 2,7K okt  4 01:15 playground.py
[22:52] <PyPie> it still doesn't work
[22:52] <pnwise> And what does it says. What is the error
[22:53] <PyPie> there's no error
[22:53] <ihsw> hi i'm unable to install pip, "python-pip : Depends: python-setuptools (>= 0.6c1) but it is not going to be installed"
[22:53] <PyPie> gedit opens the script
[22:53] <pnwise> type in terminal python playground.py
[22:53] <genii> PyPie: What does the shebang line read?
[22:53] <PyPie> i wanna execute the script, not open it in gedit
[22:54] <PyPie> the shebang is: #! /usr/bin/env python
[22:54] <ihsw> how do install pip?
[22:54] <jpds> PyPie: /usr/bin/python directly is preferred
[22:55] <PyPie> i'll try
[22:56] <jpds> ihsw: sudo apt-get install python-pip
[22:56] <ihsw> jpds: "python-pip : Depends: python-setuptools (>= 0.6c1) but it is not going to be installed"
[22:58] <ihsw> jpds: what should i do?
[22:58] <PyPie> same story... gedit opens the script, the script is not run at all nor do i get an option to run the script
[22:58] <jpds> ihsw: Works fine here
[22:59] <ihsw> jpds: okay that's good for you, but how do you think i should fix my situation?
[22:59] <PyPie> Ubuntu used to offer me what to do (older versions): Open file in text editor, Run the file......
[22:59] <PyPie> now I don't have no options
[22:59] <jpds> ihsw: sudo apt-get install -f ?
 python playground.py
[23:00] <pnwise> it will either run it, or show the error
[23:00] <ihsw> jpds: "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 31 not upgraded."
[23:02] <PyPie> from the Terminal, my script runs with the command python playground.py
[23:02] <PyPie> no errors
[23:02] <PyPie> why doesn't it work when I double-click the file
[23:02] <PyPie> is this a bug?
[23:03] <pnwise> idk man I have 14.04. Did you wrote this python?
[23:04] <PyPie> yeah, i wrote it
[23:05] <PyPie> works perfectly fine from the Terminal, python playground.py
[23:05] <PyPie> when I was on Windows 10, there worked as well
[23:06] <PyPie> just help me already
[23:06] <PyPie> don't have all day
[23:07] <pnwise> When you right click on the script "properties" doesn't it have "open with" tab?
[23:07] <pnwise> lol you dense fucker
[23:07] <pnwise> You claim righting scripts, but can't execute them
[23:07] <wileee> !langauge
[23:07] <PyPie> pnwise: yes, it has the Open With tab
[23:08] <pnwise> Good luck with that
[23:08] <PyPie> no luck with that
[23:08] <PyPie> already tries Open With
[23:08] <jpds> PyPie: System Settings → Details → Removable Media ?
[23:08] <PyPie> no Python listed and no option to manually type in python
[23:09] <pnwise> I am sorry I even helped you with that so far. you don't deserve it as you obviously you don't value the time of the people trying to help you.
[23:09] <jpds> Oh, wrong thing
[23:09] <jpds> PyPie: Please keep in mind that we're volunteers here
[23:10] <PyPie> just fuck you, idiots! this is no help channel
[23:15] <keviv> I keep getting this error when trying to install packages: http://paste.pound-python.org/show/MMbkYQz62RIKmigYSqAr/
[23:15] <keviv> What would cause this and what can I do?
[23:17] <wileee> keviv, How about an update dist-upgrade
[23:17] <Wachu> Hi keviv, look here please http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1319791
[23:25] <RockLee> Hey guys are there any good apps that will allow me to connect to my android phone and send SMS from my laptop when I'm not able to pull my phone out? (Xubuntu 14.04) I think my friends with Macs have similar functionality, but I never used one.
[23:26] <Wachu> exit
[23:26] <Wachu> whops
[23:26] <Wachu> :D
[23:26] <jpds> RockLee: That'd be because Apple own the phone and laptop OS
[23:28] <jpds> RockLee: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1568349
[23:29] <linos> I have a shell script and would like to run a mono command to a file in another directory.  How can I achieve this?  Thank in-advance
[23:30] <keviv> Wachu: thanks that script fixed it
[23:30] <keviv> oh you left nvm
[23:38] <imthenachoman> hey guys. i am having issues with "sudo reboot". the system starts to shot down, monitor goes blank, but it never shuts off
[23:40] <slicepaperwords> is it restarting? or just turning the monitor off then turning it back on?
[23:40] <genii> imthenachoman: Does: sudo shutdown -r now   ..produce the same result?
[23:42] <Kion> I want to try the Gnome 3 environment, how do I install it on my ubuntu?
[23:42] <k1l> Kion: install gnome-shell
[23:42] <imthenachoman> okay. that is odd. it seems to be working now
[23:42] <wileee> Kion, The gnome 3 desktop is called the gnome-shell
[23:43] <wileee> Kion, the ubuntu software center or sudo apt install gnome-shell
[23:46] <Kion> k1l: Thanks!
[23:46] <Kion> wileee: thanks
[23:46] <wileee> np, missed you had an answer
[23:51] <cadenr> ok im back can i have help with my partitions please?
[23:52] <Kion> wileee: the installation is asking wether the default session manager should be lightdm or gdm, what should I choose?
[23:53] <cadenr> like i said can i have help w/ parts.?
[23:53] <wileee> Kion, I would go lightdm, can be changed though after this.
[23:53] <wileee> if needed
[23:54] <Kion> Ok I will see how it goes.
[23:54] <Kion> wileee: thanks again
[23:54] <wileee> Kion, No problem, I use the shell myself.
[23:55] <Kion> wileee: cool! I just want to try it and see if I want to switch
[23:55] <wileee> Kion, Not much is added, most was already there, helps to have a couple of DE's I think.
[23:56] <Kion> wileee: At least it is nice to have the freedom of choice! that is why I like Open Source.
[23:56] <wileee> ;)