[09:04] <Taliesin2> specifically the one that they use at the schools
[09:04] <nevyn> nxterra: you can set a root password. if you're using things from universe it might be nessicary
[09:04] <Cam> and you have contacted the schools to find out the distrobution they are running?
[09:05] <nxterra> nevyn, how can I set a root password
[09:05] <Taliesin2> when we go to the web apps conferences we speak to people
[09:05] <Cam> Taliesin: chances are if its mysql/php and doesnt include any client side, trying it on all of the browsers will do the job. not per distrobution
[09:05] <chibif1> sudo passwd
[09:05] <bob2> nxterra: it's in the FAQ
[09:05] <bob2> please read it
[09:05] <Taliesin2> no cam
[09:05] <Taliesin2> I am thinking of a local server
[09:06] <Cam> server.
[09:06] <Taliesin2> a server for each school
[09:06] <Taliesin2> use LMS server
[09:06] <Cam> okay
[09:06] <Taliesin2> runs all courses
[09:06] <Cam> and your trying to find a linux distro to do that?
[09:06] <Taliesin2> student management
[09:06] <Taliesin2> I am trying to find out if they are dumb terminals
[09:06] <Taliesin2> if there is a server at each school
[09:06] <da_bon_bon> hey all. wassup ?
[09:06] <nevyn> Taliesin2: so you want to provide this server or run it on their infastructure?
[09:06] <Taliesin2> or are the all standalone
[09:06] <bob2> Taliesin2: you definitely want to email info@, they will be very interested to hear this
[09:06] <Stew2> Is there an FAQ for installing NVidia drivers?
[09:07] <bob2> Stew2: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:07] <Taliesin2> preferrable run it on there server
[09:07] <Taliesin2> its a damn site easier to use than kewl in my baised opinion
[09:07] <Taliesin2> and a hell of a lot more pretty
[09:08] <Taliesin2> The people at UKZN want to work with the community
[09:09] <Taliesin2> seems you get somewhere a lot quicker like that
[09:09] <bob2> yes
[09:09] <bob2> I would strongly recommend emailing<EMAIL_ADDRESS>about this
[09:09] <Taliesin2> I am typing away
[09:10] <bob2> cool
[09:10] <Riddell> binReapr: sudo passwd  set a password
[09:11] <froust> damn flash and it not working
[09:13] <bob2> the proprietary one won't work unless macromedia has deigned to release it
[09:14] <neighborlee> does ubuntu  use firewall of anykind after install..I can't get dcc to work with anyone in xchat << ??? ;-)
[09:14] <bob2> not by default
[09:14] <Duffman> you got a router?
[09:14] <sensebend> neighborlee, are you behind a NAT router?
[09:15] <neighborlee> no router..just a intel 5 port hub
[09:15] <sensebend> well neighborlee under X-chat preferences DCC IP address try placing your public IP address in the box
[09:16] <sensebend> and clicking ok
[09:16] <sensebend> and sending again
[09:16] <neighborlee> ok
[09:16] <sensebend> it's a shot in the dark
[09:16] <neighborlee> thx trying that <<<
[09:16] <neighborlee> yeah
[09:22] <jintonic> how do i upgrade to firefox 1.0? (i wouldn't be asking this but the install from getfirefox.com seems to have failed)
[09:23] <techn9ne> jintonic, backport
[09:23] <jintonic> warty
[09:23] <techn9ne> jintonic, http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/
[09:24] <techn9ne> or download the firefox tar and tar zxvf firefox.tgz -C /opt/
[09:24] <techn9ne> backport will work better though
[09:24] <techn9ne> i would not recommend pinning
[09:24] <darmou> does anyone know if the 2.6.10 kernel has smt hyperthreading turned on by default?
[09:26] <crimsun> darmou: CONFIG_X86_HT=y
[09:27] <darmou> thanks crimsun
[09:27] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: hiya
[09:27] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: 'lo
[09:27] <darmou> Well I did upgrade to firefox 1 and now I can't install any search engines:(
[09:27] <binReapr> l8r
[09:28] <darmou> I have no idea if you can install them manually sigh
[09:28] <jintonic> pinning?
[09:28] <da_bon_bon> darmou: "install search engines" whats that supposed to mean ?
[09:28] <carthik> Is there a good pdf editor for linux that anyone knows of?
[09:29] <darmou> In the top hand corner there are a few default search engines such as goodle and ebay if you try to install other ones such as wickpedia it stuffs up
[09:29] <darmou> google even
[09:29] <jintonic> gpdf, xpdf, acroread are popular pdf readers, i prefer gpdf
[09:29] <darmou> as opposed to acroread?
[09:30] <jintonic> yeah
[09:30] <HcE> jintonic: either of them can _edit_ a PDF
[09:30] <Cyberjames> anyone used courier-imap?
[09:30] <HcE> carthik: I prefer using pdflatex when making PDFs, or you could just make PDFs from openoffice
[09:31] <crimsun> darmou: apologies, I gave you the incorrect Kconfig variable: it's actually SCHED_SMT, which is set to "y"
[09:31] <jintonic> woops, haha
[09:31] <jintonic> i edited out "edit"
[09:31] <jintonic> :P
[09:31] <jintonic> gnite ev'rybody
[09:31] <crimsun> 'night
[09:32] <carthik> HcE, I have a pdf doc I need to add a copyright statement to, on top... any tools?
[09:33] <HcE> carthik: think you have a small issue, I've never edited the PDF file, I have problem doing it with Acrobat 6.0 Pro too
[09:33] <HcE> :P
[09:34] <carthik> HcE I tried converting it to ps, and then using Xfig, but the ps quality sucks
[09:35] <mebaran> anybody able to help with a strange module issue
[09:35] <mebaran> first time on irc
[09:35] <mebaran> so thanks for anything anyone can point me too
[09:35] <mebaran> to
[09:35] <Vaportrail> are there some "usefull" games for linux?
[09:35] <Vaportrail> mebaran just ask
[09:35] <mebaran> ok
[09:35] <mebaran> well I am trying to set up the nvidia driver
[09:35] <mebaran> in Ubuntu
[09:36] <mebaran> but the module never seems to unpack
[09:36] <mebaran> Synaptic does not report any errors
[09:36] <mebaran> everything looks like it when exactly as it should have
[09:36] <mebaran> but modprobe fails
[09:36] <Vaportrail> did you do sudo modprobe nvidia?
[09:36] <mebaran> I made sure that I have nvidia-glx installed too
[09:36] <mebaran> yeah
[09:36] <mebaran> I tried
[09:36] <Vaportrail> or only modprobe nvidia without sudo?
[09:36] <grepper> carthik, did you try print to a ps file ?
[09:36] <mebaran> I get a fatal error
[09:37] <mebaran> that the module cant be found
[09:37] <mebaran> I made sure I was root
[09:37] <carthik> grepper, yeah, I used pdf2ps which uses ghostscript ...
[09:37] <echelon0> mebaran: are you running a custom kernel?
[09:37] <Vaportrail> and you did: "sudo modprobe nvidia"?
[09:37] <Vaportrail> ah k
[09:37] <mebaran> nope
[09:37] <mebaran> stock ubuntu kernel
[09:37] <mebaran> for a k8 system
[09:37] <grepper> carthik, well, I was thinking of the option on the print menu, not sure if it uses something else
[09:37] <mebaran> the module versions line up too
[09:38] <Vaportrail> ah, no idea with 64 bit :|
[09:38] <mebaran> heheh
[09:38] <mebaran> yeah
[09:38] <echelon0> mebaran: what error do you get?
[09:38] <mebaran> FATAL: Module not found
[09:38] <mebaran> something like that
[09:38] <mebaran> the module isnt in the path
[09:38] <mebaran> I had to compile it before on Debian
[09:39] <mebaran> and this seemed like such a great way to save me the trouble
[09:39] <echelon0> sean@sean2k:~ $ find /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/ -name nvidia*
[09:39] <echelon0> /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/kernel/drivers/char/agp/nvidia-agp.ko
[09:39] <echelon0> /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko
[09:39] <Cam> woohoo 85% before hoary kicks warty :|
[09:39] <Cam> screws
[09:39] <echelon0> oops, sorry for the ugly formatting
[09:39] <mebaran> np
[09:39] <carthik> grepper, same results..... printer and pdf2ps both use ghostscript
[09:39] <echelon0> mebaran: try that out. find /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/ -name nvidia
[09:39] <carthik> grepper, I tried printing, just to be sure
[09:39] <echelon0> replacing the kernel version with yours if different
[09:40] <Duffman> http://www.p2punite.net/
[09:40] <Duffman> opps
[09:40] <echelon0> ubuntu is freaking bad ass. loving it.
[09:40] <mebaran> nope
[09:40] <mebaran> nothing
[09:40] <Vaportrail> loving it, too :)
[09:40] <mebaran> root@mebtux:/lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-4-amd64-k8 # ls
[09:40] <mebaran> boot    modules.alias   modules.ieee1394map  modules.pcimap
[09:40] <mebaran> initrd  modules.ccwmap  modules.inputmap     modules.symbols
[09:40] <mebaran> kernel  modules.dep     modules.isapnpmap    modules.usbmap
[09:40] <mebaran> it is awfully pretty
[09:40] <Vaportrail> mebaran, ever tryed to compile it urself?
[09:40] <echelon0> mebaran: the module isn't installed then
[09:41] <mebaran> yeah
[09:41] <mebaran> I didnt think so
[09:41] <mebaran> yeah
[09:41] <echelon0> mebaran: what does dpkg -l |grep nvidia say?
[09:41] <mebaran> I compiled it before using modutils in debian
[09:41] <Vaportrail> are you beavis or butthead? :P
[09:41] <mebaran> oh
[09:42] <mebaran> ii  nvidia-glx     1.0.6111-1ubun NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver
[09:42] <mebaran> ii  nvidia-kernel- 1.0.6111+1ubun NVIDIA binary kernel module common files
[09:42] <mebaran> ii  nvidia-setting 1.0-3          Tool of configuring the NVIDIA graphics driv
[09:42] <mebaran> looks like everything I installed
[09:42] <echelon0> Vaportrail: the ubuntuforums are so damn useful. i'm discovering all kinds of things i never knew about, like gdesklets :)
[09:42] <mebaran> except the module
[09:42] <mebaran> haha
[09:42] <echelon0> mebaran: try this. "find /lib -name nvidia*"
[09:42] <mebaran> gdesklets are nice
[09:42] <echelon0> yeah, i dig 'em
[09:43] <mebaran> under kernel drivers
[09:43] <mebaran> finds nvidia.ko
[09:43] <Vaportrail> echelon0, the whole community is so outstanding nice and helpful
[09:43] <echelon0> Vaportrail: definitely
[09:43] <mebaran> yeah it actually is
[09:43] <echelon0> mebaran: sounds like your module is installed in the "wrong" place
[09:43] <mebaran> yeah
[09:43] <mebaran> that is what it looks like now
[09:44] <mebaran> I wonder why
[09:44] <echelon0> what directory? what's your uname -a say?
[09:44] <mebaran> uname -a spouts out /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-4-amd64-k8 # Linux mebtux <IP_ADDRESS>-3-amd64-generic #1 Tue Oct 12 11:40:38 UTC 2004 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[09:45] <mebaran> the whole kernel installation seems borked too
[09:45] <mebaran> whenever I try to add a new kernel image
[09:45] <echelon0> there's your problem
[09:45] <mebaran> yeah
[09:45] <echelon0> did you perform a kernel upgrade and not reboot yet?
[09:45] <mebaran> no
[09:45] <mebaran> rebboted twice
[09:45] <mebaran> but grub seems to be confused
[09:45] <echelon0> oh, i see.
[09:45] <mebaran> the symlinkx to my initrd
[09:45] <mebaran> says it links to the right kernel
[09:46] <mebaran> whenever I add a new kernel image
[09:46] <mebaran> grub complains that it never was installed
[09:46] <jintonic> wow, daniels... i hope this isn't you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniels
[09:46] <mebaran> I might try reinstalling
[09:46] <echelon0> your module is installed in <IP_ADDRESS>-4-amd64-k8, but you're running <IP_ADDRESS>-3-amd64-generic
[09:46] <jintonic> ;)
[09:46] <mebaran> yeah
[09:46] <echelon0> mebaran: you can edit /boot/grub/menu.1st and change the default kernel. or make sure it's in there
[09:46] <mebaran> I thought I installed them all
[09:46] <mebaran> I dont have menu.1st
[09:46] <mebaran> that is what threw me for a loop
[09:46] <Vaportrail> jintonic: I think he isn't one of the Enterprise crew :P
[09:47] <jintonic> hehehe
[09:47] <echelon0> eh? no menu.1st? do you have files in there? are you using grub?
[09:47] <jintonic> maybe once a month?
[09:47] <mebaran> grub is empty
[09:47] <mebaran> yeah
[09:47] <Vaportrail> lol
[09:47] <fmazoit> Is there any ubuntu developper here?
[09:47] <mebaran> I get a grup menu
[09:47] <mebaran> grub
[09:47] <mebaran> sorry
[09:47] <crimsun> fmazoit: quite a few, just ask.
[09:47] <fmazoit> I have a suggestion to solve a bug in hoary
[09:47] <mebaran> config-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-amd64-generic      System.map-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-amd64-generic
[09:47] <mebaran> config-<IP_ADDRESS>-4-amd64-generic      System.map-<IP_ADDRESS>-4-amd64-generic
[09:47] <mebaran> config-<IP_ADDRESS>-4-amd64-k8           System.map-<IP_ADDRESS>-4-amd64-k8
[09:47] <mebaran> grub                                vmlinuz
[09:47] <mebaran> initrd.img                          vmlinuz-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-amd64-generic
[09:47] <mebaran> initrd.img-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-amd64-generic  vmlinuz-<IP_ADDRESS>-4-amd64-generic
[09:48] <mebaran> initrd.img-<IP_ADDRESS>-4-amd64-generic  vmlinuz-<IP_ADDRESS>-4-amd64-k8
[09:48] <echelon0> mebaran: i'd uninstall the nvidia module first
[09:48] <mebaran> initrd.img-<IP_ADDRESS>-4-amd64-k8       vmlinuz.old
[09:48] <mebaran> initrd.img.old
[09:48] <mebaran> total contents
[09:48] <mebaran> yeah
[09:48] <mebaran> I would probably start all over with a new clean grub install
[09:48] <mebaran> see if that does any magic
[09:48] <mebaran> you think that shoudl work?
[09:48] <fmazoit> in http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UTFEightCurrentProblems, it says that latex has problems with utf-8
[09:48] <echelon0> mebaran: i'm not sure. i'm not too experienced with grub.
[09:49] <echelon0> mebaran: but your problem with the nvidia driver that your module is installed in a different path than your running, current kernel.
[09:49] <mebaran> yeah
[09:49] <mebaran> I figured that
[09:49] <mebaran> but I would also prefer to use the kernel suited to my Athlon64 K8
[09:49] <fmazoit> I this that the universe package latex-ucs and latex-ucs-contrib can help sove that
[09:49] <mgedmin> does anyone know why it is necessary to stop and restart hotplug in the acpi sleep script?
[09:49] <mebaran> it seems awfully odd that grub isnt making a menu.1st
[09:50] <fmazoit> I think they should be included in tetex by default
[09:50] <echelon0> mebaran: try this
[09:50] <mebaran> ok
[09:50] <echelon0> mebaran: update-grub should create one
[09:50] <mebaran> yeah
[09:50] <mebaran> update-grub\
[09:50] <mebaran> complains
[09:50] <mebaran> that it cant though
[09:50] <echelon0> what's it say?
[09:50] <mebaran> let me show you th error
[09:51] <mebaran> Searching for GRUB installation directory ...
[09:51] <mebaran> No GRUB directory found.
[09:51] <mebaran>  To create a template run 'mkdir /boot/grub' first.
[09:51] <mebaran>  To install grub, install it manually or try the 'grub-install' command.
[09:51] <mebaran>  ### Warning, grub-install is used to change your MBR. ###
[09:51] <mebaran> I tried the template method
[09:51] <mebaran> and made the directory it asked for
[09:51] <mebaran> but it doesnt seem to do much
[09:51] <mebaran> by the way thanks for the great help
[09:51] <echelon0> the grub package is installed?
[09:51] <mebaran> yeah
[09:51] <mebaran> grub package is installed
[09:51] <fmazoit> Where do you think I should report this proposal?
[09:51] <mebaran> grub is my boot loader
[09:51] <echelon0> tried reinstalling it via apt/synaptic?
[09:52] <mebaran> yep
[09:52] <mebaran> just now
[09:52] <mebaran> didnt seem to change much
[09:52] <echelon0> mebaran: are you running warty?
[09:52] <mebaran> yep
[09:52] <mebaran> Warty AMD64
[09:52] <echelon0> hm
[09:52] <mebaran> locales
[09:52] <mebaran> also
[09:53] <echelon0> what kind of kernel stuff have you changed/installed?
[09:53] <mebaran> was broken for awhile
[09:53] <mebaran> nothing
[09:53] <mebaran> clean install tonight
[09:53] <mebaran> replace a hosed debian install
[09:53] <mebaran> decided to try Ubuntu because it looked a tad better than debian and bit more cohesive
[09:53] <mkerby> bob2, you were right. My installation problems were caused by the cd. I burned another using a different program and it worked fine.
[09:53] <mkerby> I have Ubuntu now!
[09:53] <echelon0> mebaran: my experience is that's generally true
[09:53] <mebaran> yeah
[09:54] <mebaran> it looked like it
[09:54] <bob2> hah, thought so
[09:54] <mebaran> so far it does everything just as well
[09:54] <mkerby> Just one more question: how do I enable NNTP?
[09:54] <mebaran> but still
[09:54] <bob2> 'enable'?
[09:54] <bob2> you mean install a nntp server?
[09:54] <mebaran> there are a quire a few more bugs than I had in Debian Unstable
[09:54] <nevyn> or an nntp client?
[09:54] <mebaran> locales had to be manually fixed
[09:54] <echelon0> mebaran: have you installed the linux-restricted-modules package for your arch?
[09:54] <bob2> yes, hoary is unstable
[09:54] <mebaran> yes
[09:55] <mebaran> all amd64
[09:55] <mebaran> yeah
[09:55] <mebaran> but Warty seems a bit buggier than Debian
[09:55] <mebaran> then again it does more for you
[09:55] <echelon0> what linux-images do you have installed? (what does dpkg/synaptic show?)
[09:55] <mkerby> I'm so sleepy now I can barely think. When I tried to set the clock it said something about enabling NNTP.
[09:55] <echelon0> mkerby: NTP
[09:55] <bob2> mkerby: ntp
[09:55] <bob2> mkerby: 'sudo ntpdate'.
[09:55] <bob2> in a terminal
[09:55] <mebaran> Linux kernel image for version <IP_ADDRESS> on AMD K8
[09:56] <echelon0> bob2: is that all it is? i thought you had to install some ntp packages
[09:56] <mebaran> Linux kernel image for version <IP_ADDRESS> on x86_64.
[09:56] <mebaran> ntpdate
[09:56] <mebaran> also for me
[09:56] <mebaran> points to the wrong server
[09:56] <mebaran> points ntp.unbuntulinux.org
[09:56] <mebaran> but the address is dead
[09:56] <bob2> no it's not
[09:56] <Vaportrail> a list of ntp servers: http://ntp.isc.org/bin/view/Servers/NTPPoolServers
[09:57] <mebaran> oh
[09:57] <echelon0> for me, i installed ntp-server and was able to add ntp servers via Time & Date in the menu
[09:57] <mebaran> it always reports for me DNS error
[09:57] <mebaran> on the standard one
[09:57] <bob2> well, it's a local problem to you
[09:57] <mebaran> yeah
[09:57] <mebaran> I guess
[09:57] <mebaran> no big deal
[09:57] <mebaran> 5 seconds never killed anyone
[09:57] <echelon0> mebaran: what about other kernel images?
[09:58] <echelon0> you're not running either of the two you just listed.
[09:58] <mebaran> yeah
[09:58] <echelon0> how did you install what you're running now>?
[09:58] <mebaran> I just manually created a menu.1st
[09:58] <mebaran> oh
[09:58] <mebaran> from the CD
[09:59] <mebaran> it was really bugged out though
[09:59] <mebaran> the hwdetection needs work
[09:59] <mebaran> not nearly as bad as yoper
[09:59] <mebaran> but I had to load half the modules by hand
[09:59] <echelon0> what does "dpkg -l |grep linux-image"
[09:59] <echelon0> mebaran: depends on your hardware. i've had it work fine on 3 different machines
[10:00] <echelon0> all with different hardware
[10:00] <bob2> mebaran: for example?
[10:00] <echelon0> bios settings, notably ACPI, can screw things up
[10:00] <mebaran> yeah
[10:00] <mebaran> I checked my bios
[10:00] <bob2> it should work fine for anything vageluy modern (ie pci)
[10:00] <mebaran> yeah
[10:00] <echelon0> yup
[10:00] <mkerby> I just tried and it said no servers could be used.
[10:00] <mebaran> mine is a bit too new
[10:01] <techn9ne> ive found a couple computers where ubuntu just wont work
[10:01] <bob2> probably not
[10:01] <mebaran> I knew it would come this way
[10:01] <techn9ne> and ive heard other ppl say that too
[10:01] <bob2> but please file bugs if you think that's true
[10:01] <mkerby> That is, I tried sudo ntpdate
[10:01] <bob2> techn9ne: please file bugs
[10:01] <mebaran> got a new developmetn dual opteron rig
[10:01] <mebaran> going
[10:01] <mkerby> Should I install ntp-server?
[10:01] <mebaran> so I think the hardware might be a bit too new
[10:01] <mebaran> yeah
[10:01] <bob2> mkerby: sudo ntpdate pool.ntp.org
[10:01] <echelon0> mebaran:does "dpkg -l |grep linux-image"
[10:01] <bob2> mkerby: er, no
[10:02] <mebaran> ii  linux-image-2. <IP_ADDRESS>-14     Linux kernel image for version 2.6 on x86_64
[10:02] <mebaran> ii  linux-image-2. <IP_ADDRESS>-14     Linux kernel image for version 2.6 on AMD K8
[10:02] <mebaran> ii  linux-image-2. <IP_ADDRESS>-16.1   Linux kernel image for version <IP_ADDRESS> on x8
[10:02] <mebaran> ii  linux-image-2. <IP_ADDRESS>-16.8   Linux kernel image for version <IP_ADDRESS> on x8
[10:02] <mebaran> ii  linux-image-2. <IP_ADDRESS>-16.8   Linux kernel image for version <IP_ADDRESS> on AM
[10:02] <mebaran> ii  linux-image-am <IP_ADDRESS>-14     Linux kernel image on x86_64.
[10:02] <mebaran> ii  linux-image-am <IP_ADDRESS>-14     Linux kernel image on AMD K8.
[10:02] <mebaran> sorry for the poor formatting
[10:02] <mebaran> the images that I installed are there
[10:02] <fabbione> stop flooding the channel
[10:02] <fabbione> use #flood
[10:02] <mebaran> oh
[10:02] <mebaran> thanks
[10:03] <echelon0> mebaran: you might want to remove images you're definitely not running
[10:03] <mebaran> well
[10:03] <mebaran> two of them
[10:03] <mebaran> are the ones that link to the newest kernel
[10:03] <echelon0> i.e. x86
[10:03] <mebaran> one of them is a fallback
[10:03] <bob2> please try to put complete sentences on one line, too, it makes it a lot easier to follow
[10:03] <mebaran> ok sorry, bad habits dies hard
[10:04] <mebaran> yeah, the images are pretty set for what I was used too
[10:04] <mebaran> I think I fixed my grub problem though
[10:04] <mkerby> Thanks! It worked great.
[10:04] <mebaran> if you manually create the file menu.1st, it rights itselfs
[10:04] <bob2> you don't need to edit menu.lst when you install kernels from Ubuntu
[10:04] <mebaran> yeah
[10:04] <bob2> er, no, you don't need to touch it at all
[10:04] <mebaran> but my grub install seemed to forget to make a menu.1st
[10:05] <mebaran> at all
[10:05] <mebaran> it just symlinked
[10:05] <mkerby> I'm gonna have to get used to this. After Mandrake and even windows, Ubuntu is dead easy.
[10:05] <bob2> the default way works fine
[10:05] <bob2> you do not need to fiddle with the grub config at all
[10:05] <mebaran> the grub config that it set out
[10:06] <bob2> is fine
[10:06] <mebaran> didnt seem to allow me to switch kernels
[10:06] <bob2> yes, it does
[10:06] <bob2> it lists them all in the boot menu
[10:06] <mebaran> well it listed only one option when I had four kernels
[10:06] <mebaran> yeah
[10:06] <mebaran> the boot menu had one option
[10:06] <bob2> well, works for other people
[10:06] <mebaran> yeah
[10:06] <mebaran> I had a hard install
[10:06] <mebaran> must have been bad media or something
[10:07] <mebaran> the locales pkg was completely uninstallabe
[10:07] <mebaran> but it seems to be working fine now
[10:07] <echelon0> don't think so. you're done a lot of fiddling.
[10:07] <echelon0> *ou've
[10:07] <mebaran> yeah
[10:07] <echelon0> you've even
[10:07] <mebaran> jsut now
[10:07] <mebaran> cant fiddle until you install :)
[10:07] <mebaran> haha
[10:07] <mebaran> yep
[10:07] <mebaran> but isnt fiddling half the fun?
[10:08] <echelon0> sure, just don't be surprised when things break
[10:08] <mebaran> yeah I wont
[10:08] <mebaran> thanks fo ryour help anyway
[10:08] <echelon0> sure thing. good luck. i'm off to bed. night all
[10:08] <mebaran> night
[10:08] <mebaran> gnight all
[10:08] <Vaportrail> man, my whole chest hurts and I don't know why
[10:09] <bob2> that's probably about the point you call a doctor
[10:09] <Vaportrail> bob2, if it doesn't stop I will, yes
[10:10] <hannes__> jus take some pain-killers
[10:10] <hannes__> *just
[10:10] <hannes__> it'll help
[10:10] <bob2> that's such amazingly terrible advice
[10:10] <gsuveg> anybody use gimp22 on warty ?
[10:10] <Vaportrail> I'm not the medication guy
[10:10] <randabis-wireles> hahah
[10:10] <randabis-wireles> no, running hoary here
[10:11] <randabis-wireles> and I don't do graphics
[10:11] <mkerby> I'm going to bed now. Goodnight and thanks so much.
[10:13] <cam> okay i got a error
[10:13] <cam> when doing my urpmi dist-upgrade to hoary
[10:14] <bob2> er, you mean apt-get, right?
[10:14] <cam> lol
[10:14] <cam> yeh
[10:14] <cam> woops
[10:14] <cam> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:14] <cam>  /var/cache/apt/archives/gimp-data_2.2.0+rel-2ubuntu1_all.deb
[10:14] <cam> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[10:14] <bob2> that's not enough information
[10:14] <cam> ex fedora user =P
[10:14] <bob2> paste the stuff from before that to #flood
[10:15] <HostingGeek> OMG a node user
[10:15] <HostingGeek> cam: please make your way to #ubuntu-ontopic while we talk
[10:17] <techn9ne> whats the apt-get name for gnome baker?
[10:17] <jdub> techn9ne: there's no package
[10:18] <cam> bob2: any luck?
[10:18] <techn9ne> ok
[10:18] <cam> HostingGeek: ?
[10:18] <jintonic> can i check my cpu temp and the like with linux cli?
[10:19] <nevyn> jintonic: sure.
[10:19] <jintonic> how?
[10:19] <nevyn> type sensors
[10:19] <nevyn> if it's all configured and installed
[10:19] <nevyn> or acpi
[10:19] <bob2> cam: bug in gimp or gimp-data, you'll have to wait for it to be fixed
[10:19] <jintonic> nope, neither
[10:20] <cam> bob2: but my system will remain broken till its fixed?
[10:20] <bob2> cam: no, you just can't upgrade those packages
[10:20] <Stew2> How do I enable support in Ubuntu warty for my Avaya USB Wireless (802.11b) adapter?
[10:20] <cam> and how to remove just gimp from the list?
[10:20] <cam> and continue?
[10:22] <Stew2> Do I just plug in the Lucent/Orinoco/Avaya USB Wireless adapter and I'm off and running?
[10:22] <nevyn> Stew2: plug it in and see what happens is the first step.
[10:23] <bob2> Stew2: is it supported by linux?
[10:23] <bob2> cam: do 'lock version'' or whatever in synaptic
[10:23] <Stew2> bob2: no idea
[10:23] <Stew2> nevyn Could do that.
[10:24] <Stew2> nevyn I get errors when hotplug support loads while booting.
[10:24] <Stew2> Does that affect things?
[10:24] <cam> synaptic is broken
[10:24] <cam> it needs libapt
[10:24] <bob2> Stew2: about pcihp?
[10:25] <Stew2> bob2 I think so. I think the only way I could know for sure is if I restarted.
[10:25] <Stew2> bob2 is that some kinda known thing?
[10:26] <bob2> ignore it, it's spurious
[10:26] <bob2> yes
[10:26] <Stew2> bob2 K
[10:26] <Stew2> Yeah, the adapter is use by someone else right now. I gotta wait a minute.
[10:27] <cam> hrmm
[10:28] <cam> aptitude is broken :|
[10:28] <cam> dang
[10:28] <cam> :/
[10:30] <scizzo> cam: can you use apt-get ?
[10:31] <cam> yer i can theres just all of these missing deps now
[10:31] <cam> and it seems I can continue on with the upgrade using apt-get -f dist-upgrade
[10:31] <cam> but its going to give me that gimp error again
[10:31] <scizzo> cam: what happens if you do...apt-get -f install ?
[10:31] <hannes__> Stew2: http://ubuntuguide.org/#modprobefatalerror
[10:32] <cam> hrmm
[10:32] <cam> seemed to work
[10:32] <cam> through the gimp
[10:32] <cam> aswell
[10:32] <cam> thats weird.
[10:32] <cam> no gimp error :|
[10:33] <scizzo> wait a sec....you are going from complaining about synaptic, aptitude and now to gimp?
[10:33] <scizzo> what exactly is your problem?
[10:33] <cam> lol
[10:33] <scizzo> its kind of confusing
[10:34] <cam> i was doing a upgrade of warty to hoary
[10:34] <cam> and i got a error
[10:34] <cam> about gimp package
[10:34] <scizzo> cam: hoary will break things
[10:34] <cam> and it stopped working, then apt complained about missing deps
[10:35] <cam> scizzo did you know i was doing a dist-upgrade when you told me to fo the -f install?
[10:35] <HostingGeek> scizzo: wrong
[10:36] <scizzo> HostingGeek: ?
[10:36] <HostingGeek> scizzo: sice when will a frozzen STABLE distro brake things?
[10:36] <scizzo> HostingGeek: so you are telling me that it is stable?
[10:36] <HostingGeek> hoary is not like sid
[10:36] <scizzo> HostingGeek: it is development
[10:36] <HostingGeek> sid will never be stable
[10:36] <HostingGeek> that is currently
[10:36] <scizzo> HostingGeek: am I talking about sid?
[10:36] <HostingGeek> no for ever
 cam: hoary WILL break things
[10:37] <scizzo> yes
[10:37] <cam> ok guys apt-get -f install has finished
[10:37] <no0tic> hi!
[10:37] <cam> is there anything i should now do
[10:37] <cam> before restarting
[10:37] <HostingGeek> umm
[10:37] <scizzo> cam: apt-get -f install does something I am not exactly sure what...it fixes some stuff if you have problems
[10:37] <HostingGeek> make sure the grub menu list updated
[10:37] <techn9ne> if you upgrade from warty to hoary you have to expect things will work and sometiesm not
[10:37] <cam> yep
[10:37] <techn9ne> you are the beta-tester
[10:38] <HostingGeek> techn9ne: umm everything works here
[10:38] <scizzo> HostingGeek: just so you know...hoary is not expected to be released until april or something like that...
[10:38] <techn9ne> yah but it could break today tommorow or next week
[10:38] <HostingGeek> there is something called apt pinning
[10:38] <cam> <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 ?
[10:38] <ironwolf> hoary works really well most of the time, but it's a development release.  So thins break, but then they get fixed. :)
[10:38] <HostingGeek> scizzo: i am not a moron i have read the wiki inside out
[10:39] <scizzo> HostingGeek: you should really read a little more about what development means
[10:39] <HostingGeek> cam: i recomend you install the optermized verion
[10:39] <cam> ?
[10:39] <HostingGeek> scizzo: yes but in april will hoary brake things NO
[10:39] <techn9ne> no then it will be stable release
[10:39] <scizzo> HostingGeek: I am not going to have this discussion with you
[10:39] <HostingGeek> cam install 2.6.10-1-i686
[10:39] <cam> guys, its ok, its not a development workstation
[10:39] <cam> just here to have a look and report problems, stuff around.
[10:40] <cam> :)
[10:40] <ironwolf> cam: you go! :)
[10:40] <scizzo> cam: hehe
[10:40] <HostingGeek> cam: do you know about apt pinning?
[10:40] <scizzo> cam: do you still get problems with apt?
[10:40] <cam> scizzo: no porlbme.s
[10:41] <cam> HostingGeek: i imagine ill find out
[10:41] <cam> im a new user to apt, and debian
[10:41] <cam> ex redhat/fedora user here ;)
[10:41] <scizzo> cam: how about synaptic?
[10:41] <HostingGeek> cam: it in cheaper 3 of the apt guide
[10:41] <scizzo> cam: any problems with that now?
[10:41] <cam> nup
[10:41] <cam> loads without a prob
[10:42] <cam> thanks ;)
[10:42] <scizzo> cam: ok...might have been that the packages was not completely configured then
[10:42] <Oct> Hello :)
[10:42] <scizzo> hi Oct
[10:42] <HostingGeek> synaptic sucks till it adds the one feature i want and that is to be able to use it one a remote server
[10:43] <cam> hrmm synaptic has changed.
[10:43] <HostingGeek> yes
[10:43] <cam> nice.
[10:43] <HostingGeek> it change to be like evaltion
[10:43] <HostingGeek> but it need more changing
[10:43] <HostingGeek> to be like version 2.1
[10:43] <scizzo> synaptic is nice
[10:43] <scizzo> it is easy to use
[10:44] <no0tic> brb
[10:44] <scizzo> fast....and works just fine....just hope that the work continues on it
[10:44] <cam> ok hostinggeek downloading i686 ;)
[10:44] <HostingGeek> cam: Wait
[10:44] <HostingGeek> what gfx card?
[10:44] <cam> ati
[10:45] <cam> 9600xt
[10:45] <cam> i heard nvidia was broken
[10:45] <HostingGeek> does it have xorg AND kernel 2.6.10/9 support
[10:45] <cam> im not using the official drivers yet neway
[10:45] <HostingGeek> ok cool
[10:50] <DBordello> I had a different video card in my computer when i first installed, it setup X to use this video card, how do i rerun the configurator that detects all the settings?
[10:50] <HrdwrBoB> DBordello: dpkg-reconfigure xerver-xfree86
[10:51] <DBordello> thanks HrdwrBoB
[10:52] <DBordello> Is nautilus not installed by default?
[10:54] <techn9ne> DBordello, yes it is
[10:55] <mjr> by the way, hrdwrbob meant xserver-xfree86 :)
[10:55] <DBordello> mjr, yeah, i read through that :)
[10:55] <DBordello> worked great
[10:55] <mjr> 'k
[10:55] <IceCrmBoB> mjr: oh heh, yes, not my keyboard :/
[10:55] <IceCrmBoB> ok *out
[10:57] <DBordello> are there any tricks to get a "real" poweroff?  When ever i execute 'shutdown now' it kills everything and then asks for my root passowrd for normal startup
[10:57] <Ear3ndil> hi
[10:59] <no0tic> re
[11:02] <cam> that was the most pleasant upgrade ever
[11:03] <Cam> only one error
[11:03] <Cam> some fatal about pcihp
[11:04] <HostingGeek> Cam: you forgot to join your fav. channel #ubuntu-ontopic
[11:04] <Cam> right. sure
[11:05] <king_arthur> Hi there, I wonder if anybody could post me a link to a ppc CD-live iso/image
[11:06] <crimsun> being worked on
[11:06] <king_arthur> I understand there is one in advanced development stage, I wanted to give it a shot ;)
[11:06] <Cam> is it safe to put universe and multiverse back on
[11:07] <king_arthur> crimsun: that one was for me I guess.. :)
[11:16] <devote> my firefox is having font problems. on some webpages the fonts are way too big, on other pages the fonts are way too small... I've tried many different settings already, but nothing seems to solve it. any ideas?
[11:23] <Cam> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz  MD5Sum mismatch
[11:27] <mchasard> hi
[11:40] <lerio> hi. can somebody help me?
[11:40] <Keybuk> lerio: almost certainly
[11:41] <no0tic> lerio: ask directly :)
[11:42] <lerio> Keybuk: ;) thanks! problem: after upgrading to hoary i can't connect to windows xp home shared folders anymore
[11:43] <lerio> from the network foder i'm still able to see the other computer and the shared drive, but i cannot access it anymore
[11:44] <lerio> with warty it was asking me the credentials to login, but now it seems it stalls after clicking on it
[11:44] <scoon> lerio, i had that same problem.
[11:44] <scoon> lerio, i just removed it from the desktop and set it up again.
[11:45] <scoon> lerio, that seemed to solve it for me.
[11:45] <lerio> did u have to reset the shared folder on xp as well?
[11:47] <lerio> scoon, ok, i'll try. thanks!
[11:48] <scoon> lerio, np
[11:49] <Cam> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz  MD5Sum mismatch <---- argh!!
[11:52] <xukun> I have 'uname -a <IP_ADDRESS>-4-386, so do apt-get install linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-4-386 or linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-4-686? I have P4 2.6 ghz
[11:53] <no0tic> xukun: 686
[11:53] <xukun> no0tic, thanks
[11:53] <Cam> dont you want the kernel headers for the kernel your running?
[11:56] <xukun> I dont know, I just want to install the kernel-headers so I cant install the NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6629 pkg1.run
[11:57] <xukun> no0tic, should I install the kernel-headers matching my current kernel version?
[11:58] <HostingGeek> header are only need for dev.
[11:58] <xukun> shouldnt I?
[11:58] <HostingGeek> i think the nvidia driver and ati might need
[11:58] <HostingGeek> well i dunno i use a gfx card which has its drivers GPL'd
[11:58] <no0tic> xukun: if u don't need to compile anything, no
[11:59] <Cam> is all you need for totem to play mpeg files libmpeg?
[12:00] <xukun> no0tic, the nvidia driver needs the kernel-headers to installed first
[12:00] <no0tic> xukun: then you will need kernel-headers, so?
[12:01] <Cam> all you need is libmpeg? ;)
[12:02] <no0tic> all you need is love, dududududuu
[12:02] <Vaportrail> hrhr
[12:02] <xukun> no0tic, So again which one: apt-cache search gets this two: <IP_ADDRESS>-4-386 and I have uname -a <IP_ADDRESS>-4-386
[12:03] <xukun> no0tic, this two: linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-4-386 - Linux kernel headers <IP_ADDRESS> on 386
[12:03] <xukun> linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-4-686 - Linux kernel headers <IP_ADDRESS> on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV
[12:04] <no0tic> xukun: I've told u to install 686 kernel, so you will need the proper kernel headers...
[12:05] <xukun> no0tic, ok
[12:05] <scizzo> why not just run apt-get install linux-i686?
[12:05] <scizzo> if you are using i686 that is?
[12:08] <lerio> scoon, i've just reset the shared folders but with no luck.. what do you mean by "deleting from the desktop" ?
[12:09] <scoon> lerio, right click and select unmount
[12:12] <lerio> scoon, ok. it worked. sorry eh? :P
[12:13] <scoon> lerio, np
[12:15] <bje> is it possible to have the ubuntu live cd automount a USB key for writable storage?
[12:21] <lifeless> is evo in hoary known to be borked
[12:21] <lifeless> ?
[12:22] <scoon> lifeless, not that i have seen
[12:23] <lifeless> do you have spamasssin hooked in and enabled on an Imap store ?
[12:23] <scoon> lifeless, it was about 3wks ago, but it has been fixed since then.
[12:23] <scoon> lifeless, no.
[12:26] <fungi> xorg just died on my tnt2 using nv driver, is it just me or is any one else having this
[12:37] <graham> is anybody able to explain how modprobe.d works under Ubuntu? I don't seem to have an /etc/modprobe.conf file, but from what I've read suspect I should do.
[12:39] <lerio> scoon, hi again. i was able to connect to the shared folder in windows xp only using this trick. by default (left clicking the shared folder), nautilus stalled. the only way to make it work is to right-click the item. only then the login screen appeared and after that i was able to view the folder content
[12:40] <lerio> scoon, maybe someone in this chat could find the info interesting. ;)
[12:51] <HostingGeek> anyone with ie here?
[12:52] <graham> anybody using the ltmodem modem drivers?
[12:53] <maya> hi all
[12:54] <graham> hi
[12:54] <maya> i am installing webmin in ubuntu....when i tryto upgrade it says module proc not there...any help
[12:56] <graham> sorry, never used it.
[12:57] <maya> graham: its ok..np
[12:57] <maya> any body else...came with such problem
[12:57] <graham> maya, have you searched the forums?
[12:58] <graham> there's a howto: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7507
[12:58] <maya> graham:i will look...but i googled nothing i got..
[01:01] <scoon> maya, what happens when you lsmod | grep proc ?
[01:03] <maya> scoon: proc_intf               3968  0
[01:03] <maya> processor              17712  1 thermal
[01:06] <scoon> maya, you may want to check and see if it has a bugzilla and if this is a problem w/ the version you want to get.  proc is a kernel feature that is not a module
[01:06] <scoon> maya, make certain that you have a /proc and it is populated.
[01:06] <maya> graham: the link you gave is through tar flie....i am installing through apt-get dude..
[01:07] <graham> dude, isn't the first thing it says to not install via apt-get?
[01:08] <graham> scoon, I bet you can't do much at all without a /proc mounted
[01:08] <s1amson> speaking of apt
[01:08] <s1amson> configure: error: Can't find rpmlib.h
[01:08] <s1amson> >.<
[01:08] <graham> s1amson, what's the context?
[01:08] <scoon> graham, i bet you are right.  but no stone should be left unturned :)
[01:08] <s1amson> ever google for anything with rpm in it
[01:08] <s1amson> lol
[01:09] <s1amson> checking rpm/rpmlib.h usability... no
[01:09] <s1amson> checking rpm/rpmlib.h presence... no
[01:09] <s1amson> checking for rpm/rpmlib.h... no
[01:09] <s1amson> configure: error: Can't find rpmlib.h
[01:09] <s1amson> s1amson@linux:~/apt-0.5.15cnc6>
[01:09] <graham> scoon, sure, I didn't mean not to check
[01:09] <graham> s1amson, ah, you're compiling apt?
[01:09] <s1amson> uh huh
[01:09] <s1amson> trying to anyway
[01:09] <graham> try installing librpm-dev
[01:09] <s1amson> seems the rpmlib.h would be astandard file
[01:10] <ArCHoNKoG> has anyone got quickcam express to work  ?
[01:10] <graham> it's a header file that will only be installed ifyou install the -dev pacakge.
[01:10] <ArCHoNKoG> trying to get gnome meeting to work
[01:10] <s1amson> i think iinstalled *all* the dev packages i could find:P
[01:10] <s1amson> will try that though
[01:11] <graham> s1amson, this is  a handy command under such circumstances: apt-cache search rpm | grep dev
[01:11] <scizzo> ArCHoNKoG: what exactly is your problem?
[01:12] <s1amson> would be neat to try :) gotta get apt installed first
[01:12] <ArCHoNKoG> scizzo, i can see it devices manager but i can't get the drivers to use it
[01:12] <graham> fair point! ;)
[01:13] <scizzo> maybe you haven't configured everything right?
[01:13] <graham> s1amson, because of the lack of apt, am I right in thinking you're running some other distro?
[01:14] <s1amson> yea, and - ithoughti was in #suse (too many channels)
[01:14] <s1amson> lol
[01:14] <graham> I probably got the package name wrong then.
[01:14] <maya> graham: it is saying better to install with source ile
[01:14] <maya> graham: it is saying better to install with source file
[01:14] <s1amson> im just here to give support :) ive never been in a more helpful nix channel
[01:15] <s1amson> came here when checking outthe livecd
[01:15] <graham> good cd
[01:15] <s1amson> had it supported dual monitors off the top, i wouldda went with it
[01:17] <Rocha> Just a suggestion...
[01:17] <Rocha> Ubuntu should mount all the drives upon boot
[01:17] <graham> right, I'm off. need breakfast.
[01:17] <Rocha> If i insert a cdrom, it gets mounted, but if i reboot, it doesn't appear mounted again
[01:18] <Rocha> I think that is an usability problem.
[01:18] <graham> Rocha, set the auto option in /etc/fstab for /cdrom.
[01:18] <graham> (though I appreciate that doesn't address the wider issue
[01:18] <graham> )
[01:18] <Cube-ness> hey.. i just reverted to 2.6.8 and built the nvidia kernel stuff.. it works, but glx is missing. even thought xorg.cong is supposed to be loading the glx stuff, glx doesnt load.. what am i doing wrong?
[01:19] <Rocha> graham, it should be "auto" by default, i guess you should change that in a future release
[01:19] <Rocha> Just another usability problem...
[01:20] <Rocha> If i insert an audio cd, it starts playing
[01:20] <Rocha> But if i close the cd player and then open it again, it doesn't find the cd
[01:20] <kent> Cube-ness, I had big problems with xorg and nvidias driver, so it might be the driver..   nvidia has a forum for discussing their driver (dont know where right now)
[01:20] <Rocha> The "Cancel - Details - Set Device" dialog appears
[01:21] <Rocha> That is an usability problem as well
[01:22] <Rocha> I'm using warty, not hoary, i don't know if any of the problems i'm telling you are already corrected
[01:22] <Rocha> Another one.... the physical eject button on the cdrom drives should work
[01:23] <maya> i am installing webmin in ubuntu....when i tryto upgrade it says module proc not there...any help
[01:25] <kent> Rocha, please add these things to the bugzilla on ubuntulinux.org.  They are great observation and deserves to be looked into.
[01:26] <Rocha> ok
[01:26] <HostingGeek> who here has access to ie
[01:27] <kent> Rocha, Personally, i think there needs to be done a big usability-test of Gnome (or perhaps Ubuntu/Fedora etc). These things can be taken care of, and should. I have not mind those things so much, since im used to them beeing like that for long time, but thats no excuse for having it like that
[01:29] <HostingGeek> i need access to ie ARGHH i want to test me script which explodes the latest hole
[01:29] <scizzo> HostingGeek: get it yourself and test
[01:30] <HostingGeek> i am not paying $200AU for a *** m$ windows license
[01:30] <kent> btw,  if there is anyone from sweden here. There is a swedish channel on #ubuntu.se
[01:31] <scizzo> kent: ;)
[01:31] <MM2> helsinki :)
[01:31] <HostingGeek> kent: thansk for the unoffical news
[01:31] <Rocha> kent, yup Fedora has some problems too
[01:32] <Rocha> Maybe hoary and fc4 will be better
[01:32] <Rocha> where is bugzilla, i can't find it!
[01:32] <Vaportrail> bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org
[01:33] <Rocha> tnx Vaportrail
[01:33] <Vaportrail> np
[01:35] <HostingGeek> now who took the BTS link out of the topic?
[01:41] <stvn> HostingGeek: it's not that hard to remember: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[01:41] <HostingGeek> stvn: did i ask? no. did someone else? yes.
[01:42] <stvn> HostingGeek: ah, that question just was out of sight, sorry
 where is bugzilla, i can't find it!
[01:43] <HostingGeek> it was just above when i said it
[01:43] <stvn> k
[01:53] <sid77> hi
[01:57] <s1amson> 'lo
[02:05] <tuxer> hi
[02:14] <HostingGeek> hmm if i set 4#15i$2$f%cy$%h$ as my password will anyone guess it?
[02:15] <da_bon_bon> yes i will!
[02:17] <crimsun> HostingGeek: may as well just use: dd if=/dev/urandom count=5 | sha1sum
[02:18] <HostingGeek> LOL
[02:18] <HostingGeek> ooops
[02:18] <HostingGeek> why did i accully PASTE the password here
[02:18] <crimsun> that's my root passwd!
[02:20] <HostingGeek> haha
[02:20] <HostingGeek> my one on my server is now 99 letter/number/....
[02:24] <da_bon_bon> HostingGeek: then how do u remebr it ?
[02:26] <HostingGeek> LOL
[02:26] <da_bon_bon> HostingGeek: no, seroiously
[02:26] <HostingGeek> i have it saved in a ENCrYPITED file on my computer here
[02:26] <HostingGeek> that only one user can access
[02:27] <da_bon_bon> and that, of course is u
[02:27] <da_bon_bon> and u decrypt, copy-paste it in the box, right ?
[02:28] <HostingGeek> haha and anyway my server only acccepts ssh connections from my ip
[02:29] <HostingGeek> so if my isp disapreas or changes my ip i am scroded
[02:32] <da_bon_bon> u know, copy paste has a cache!
[02:33] <HostingGeek> you know i delete that cache
[02:33] <HostingGeek> and also .bash*
[02:33] <HostingGeek> and also .dash* when ever i use dash
[02:34] <__learner__> can I install install ubuntu on a reiserFS partition?
[02:34] <da_bon_bon> __learner__: yes
[02:35] <__learner__> Can you help me with this. I have LILO from an old distro in my PC. it has a graphical screen and its very nice. Can I install ubuntu and keep that nice screen (LILO)
[02:36] <__learner__> I mean, I just have a reiserFS partition, and a swap partition. Will ubuntu installer detect it and install on it.
[02:36] <__learner__> ?
[02:36] <HostingGeek> __learner__: why would you
[02:36] <HostingGeek> grub is way better
[02:37] <HostingGeek> ubuntu does even show the screen
[02:37] <HostingGeek> and with usplash you don't even want the screen for one second
[02:37] <__learner__> not here. Ubuntu shows a Text based screen here. Lilo shows a big nice penguin.
[02:38] <__learner__> but can you tell me (or tell me where to find) why grub is better?
[02:38] <samsouk> ubuntu warty + kernel 2.6.10 howto ?
[02:39] <__learner__> txm I find that on my own.
[02:39] <__learner__> Ok, so I will install grub.
[02:39] <__learner__> tx.
[02:40] <__learner__> talk to you in some minutes. I will install ubuntu on my machine (again, since I somehow broke the other install I did.)
[02:40] <Vaportrail> is there anything like a clipboard for gnome?
[02:42] <da_bon_bon> HostingGeek: hows bash / dash ?
[02:43] <da_bon_bon> bash vs. dash
[02:43] <HostingGeek> smae thing
[02:43] <da_bon_bon> oh ok.
[02:43] <HostingGeek> dash is just a smaller version
[02:43] <HostingGeek> with less bloat
[02:43] <HostingGeek> runs faster...
[02:43] <da_bon_bon> HostingGeek: the downlaod size is about how many mb
[02:43] <da_bon_bon> ?
[02:44] <HostingGeek> you already have it on default on ubuntu i think
[02:44] <da_bon_bon> i am on fedora
[02:46] <HostingGeek> YUCK
[02:47] <Einzelganger> I have compiled a big debian package, but want to change add a configure option. How can I rebuild the package without having to rebuild the whole package. "dpkg-buildpackage cleans everything first, then configure and then make", and "dpkg-buildpackage -b -nc" doesn't clean everything first, but doesn't reconfigure it either ?
[02:48] <Einzelganger> (I know how to do it manually btw, just look at my config.log for the complete configure scripts, copy/paste that with an extra option, and then do a dpkg-buildpackage -b -nc", but I wonder if there is easier way)
[02:49] <HostingGeek> #debian would know better
[02:49] <HostingGeek> don't say you came from here
[02:50] <Einzelganger> oops, this was for #debian indeed, wrong tab (although it is also a ubuntu issue)
[02:50] <crimsun> Einzelganger: you seem to have missed the point that if you use autoconf and family, by adjusting the ./configure parameters, you _have_ to clean it and rebuild from scratch to ensure correct output
[02:50] <Rocha> How long do the ubuntu cd's take to arrive at my home?
[02:50] <Rocha> I ordered a long time ago!
[02:51] <Rocha> Someone has any idea?
[02:51] <Vaportrail> Rocha: some get it a few days after ordering, some a few month
[02:51] <Vaportrail> +after
[02:51] <Rocha> Hmm, ok.
[02:52] <Einzelganger> crimsun, even if I add an option like "--enable-gui", which adds another directory to be compiled in ? lilypond takes here 1 hour to compile, I would not like to wait for that all over ?
[02:52] <crimsun> Einzelganger: blame autoconf & family.
[02:53] <fabbione> Einzelganger: install and configure ccache
[02:53] <fabbione> it will help quite a lot
[02:53] <crimsun> Einzelganger: in some instances one might be able to cut corners like what you're attempting, but I would not cut corners for a package.
[02:53] <crimsun> distcc+ccache == gold
[02:53] <fabbione> distcc given that you have more than machine :-)
[02:58] <Einzelganger> ccache looks nice, although I see 2 problems: it's no use for my problem now I think, I should have used it in the first compile. And the problem with lilypond is actually in the compilation of the documentation, which doesn't gcc/cc)
[03:01] <Gorth> How can I use the Ubuntu Warty CD to restore grub onto my primary MBR?
[03:01] <HostingGeek> Rocha: when did you order and where to?
[03:02] <Rocha> Hmmm, on month ago maybe
[03:02] <Rocha> To Portugal
[03:02] <HostingGeek> Gorth: read the wiki its a hard one they are making a hack on d-i to make it easy
[03:02] <Rocha> "...one month.."
[03:02] <HostingGeek> ok
[03:02] <HostingGeek> LOL
[03:02] <HostingGeek> where is portugal?
[03:02] <Rocha> Lisbon
[03:02] <Gorth> HostingGeek: Ok, ill try and search the wiki
[03:02] <HostingGeek> the get sent from london
[03:03] <HostingGeek> at latest your where sent 2 wekks ago at eariest 4 weeks ago
[03:03] <Rocha> Next to Spain
[03:03] <Rocha> Portugal -> Spain -> France
[03:04] <HostingGeek> it matter how the went from london to you
[03:04] <HostingGeek> it probbly goes through a few mailing services
[03:04] <Rocha> I ordered 110 cds
[03:04] <HostingGeek> could come tomz
[03:04] <HostingGeek> could come in a week
[03:04] <HostingGeek> i ordered 500
[03:05] <HostingGeek> and got 24 left
[03:05] <HostingGeek> mako: :)
[03:05] <HostingGeek> i thought mako you changed the order down to 300
[03:05] <Gorth> HostingGeek: Do you have a direct link? I can only seem to find http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/Randy%20Magee
[03:06] <Rocha> How long did your cds take to arrive?
[03:06] <HostingGeek> Gorth: now but i remeber reading it on sunday
[03:06] <HostingGeek> Rocha: as i ordered by the time of preview 1
[03:07] <HostingGeek> it took about 2 months
[03:07] <Rocha> Hmm, ok
[03:07] <Gorth> HostingGeek: ok..
[03:07] <HostingGeek> about 2weeks after they started sending them out
[03:08] <HostingGeek> Gorth: i think it may be also in the FAQ
[03:15] <mako> HostingGeek: we use quite a few mailing servers
[03:15] <mako> HostingGeek: we use quite a few mailing services
[03:15] <HostingGeek> really?
[03:16] <HostingGeek> mako: only 24 more left
[03:16] <mako> HostingGeek: out of how many?
[03:17] <mako> in any case, we can always just get you more
[03:18] <HostingGeek> mako: 500
[03:18] <HostingGeek> i thought you changed my order
[03:18] <mako> HostingGeek: wow. what have you used them for
[03:18] <mako> HostingGeek: to make it lower or higher?
[03:18] <HostingGeek> lower
[03:18] <tux_> quick question
[03:18] <mako> HostingGeek: i'm sure i told you to lower it yourself
[03:18] <HostingGeek> heh i posted on whirlpool and some other fonts to get rid of the 200
[03:18] <tux_> does anyone have a realport 10/100 + 56k combo pcmcia card
[03:19] <tux_> looking to buy one, just wanna make sure its compatible with linux first
[03:19] <HostingGeek> mako: i reme,ber saying you lowerED it
[03:19] <mako> HostingGeek: maybe it was after the order had been processed arleady
[03:20] <HostingGeek> yes
[03:20] <mako> HostingGeek: i don't send an email saying such a thing until i've finished doing it
[03:20] <HostingGeek> well i am sending some 15 tomz
[03:20] <mako> well, i appreciate your putting them to good use
[03:20] <HostingGeek> mako: ?
[03:20] <HostingGeek> well my next order will be a lot lower everyone has putted in there own orders for hoary
[03:21] <HostingGeek> or have upgrade already
[03:21] <mako> tux_: did you check the hardware compatibility page?
[03:21] <HostingGeek> i am having a fonts problem with firefox that only happened once i deleted my profile
[03:22] <HostingGeek> i posted in this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=46447#post46447 at the end
[03:22] <HostingGeek> as someone else has this problem
[03:22] <HostingGeek> anyone can give me there font settings
[03:22] <tux_> mako : checking http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net/ftp/SUPPORTED.CARDS
[03:22] <tux_> it has a realport card
[03:22] <mako> tux_: check there and also the supported hardware list on the wiki
[03:22] <tux_> wonder if that'll do it
[03:23] <mako> tux_: just because a company makes a card doesn't mean it's supported
[03:23] <mako> tux_: even if their other cards
[03:23] <mako> tux_: in fact, even different revisions of the SAME CARD by the SAME COMPANY can go from completely supported to not at all
[03:23] <tux_> ok
[03:23] <mako> google is your friend
[03:24] <mako> so is the documentation on the wiki and the place you are already looking
[03:24] <HostingGeek> mako: why where there 2 traffic thingys in the smae week
[03:25] <HostingGeek> and none for the week before
[03:25] <HostingGeek> any way i am bored can we have a thrid one for this week?
[03:27] <HostingGeek> can anyone which uses firefox please help me with http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=46447#post46447 the last post is me
[03:28] <lukasz> tery3 hi
[03:28] <lukasz> trey3 you are allways online
[03:29] <andreas_> hey there again!
[03:30] <stvn> anyone knows if gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg is going to be included into haory? (since it's in alioth nowadays)
[03:31] <mako> HostingGeek: because i'm behind in writing traffic. :) i'm working on the next week(s) now
[03:31] <HostingGeek> stvn: there is a bug stoping it entering debian
[03:31] <HostingGeek> and a lot of distros
[03:32] <stvn> ow, there were some bugs fixed recently, i'll try and see how it goes nowadays
[03:32] <HostingGeek> mako: why can't there be a GFX intaller for hoary. its easy ro get a good one put up a bounty gor it with a nice pay check
[03:32] <raptor_> is there a how to on installing java-vm for ubuntu? , i am having no luck getting it working.
[03:33] <tvon> I thought there was a howto on the wiki...or a link to the debian howto
[03:33] <HostingGeek> raptor_: its easy
[03:34] <HostingGeek> there is an illegal rep which has a deb
[03:34] <HostingGeek> so you don' have to make your own using that script someone made that is almost idiot proof
[03:34] <tvon> illegal?
[03:35] <stvn> hm, gstreamer-ffmpeg is kinda slow
[03:36] <scizzo> tvon: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3713.html
[03:36] <scizzo> tvon: one way to do it
[03:37] <mako> HostingGeek: it's not easy to get a good one. we know what would need to happen in order to make it happen (at least basically)
[03:37] <raptor_> found it tvon thx
[03:38] <mako> HostingGeek: getting a graphical installer would actually be relatively easy. getting a *good* one would require some serious work
[03:38] <mako> HostingGeek: eventually it can happen but our first installer is getting a fast/good installer
[03:38] <HostingGeek> mako: no the version in hoary doesn't work
[03:38] <HostingGeek> the one in debian sid is idiot proof
[03:39] <HostingGeek> i have asked and asked that ubuntu merges more offen with debian sid
[03:39] <HostingGeek> mako: its very easy to make a good one
[03:40] <HostingGeek> you make it exactly the same as d-i but add next and back button and info...
[03:43] <randabis-wireles> meh, I like the ncurses one, but I guess an x-installer might be ok
[03:44] <mako> HostingGeek: the graphical version as exactly the same?
[03:44] <mako> HostingGeek: that's just not the way it works. the partioner is particularly problematic
[03:45] <HostingGeek> yes but haven't you already made a good GUI for that
[03:45] <HostingGeek> i read it in the wiki
[03:45] <HostingGeek> the answer seemed very simple
[03:48] <HostingGeek> mako: is ubuntu going to have a new icon set or what?
[03:49] <HostingGeek> mako: there was a bounty put up for this a long time ago and someone took the job about 5 months ago
[03:49] <HostingGeek> and don't tell me "Human" is it
[03:50] <mako> HostingGeek: no, there is a good graphical frontend in general but it would look very ugly for things like the partitioner. it's not as simply a problem as you seem to think
[03:51] <mako> as simple even
[03:51] <HostingGeek> well i think the problem is sloved with a $2k bounty
[03:52] <HostingGeek> and anyway fedora did a good job why not take the design and a bit of code from them
[03:52] <HostingGeek> ok the ccode will need a lot of rewriting
[03:53] <Gerrath> I'm trying to compile gdb but I keep getting: "Could not find a term library."  I've installed libncurses5, libncurses5-dbg and libncurses5-dev.  What am I missing?
[03:53] <mjr> anyone happen to know why, on amd64, a single malloc can only reserve ~2373 megabytes?
[03:55] <Gerrath> ugh I mean dbg not gdb. typo.
[03:57] <HostingGeek> its been REALY REALLY quite the last 2rs
[03:57] <HostingGeek> and i did 90% of the talking
[03:58] <HostingGeek> wtf is going on
[03:58] <scizzo> people are working
[03:58] <scizzo> sleeping or doing something else
[03:59] <noflex> what x is in 4.10 xfree 4.x or xorg 6.x
[03:59] <HostingGeek> xfree
[03:59] <noflex> ok good
[04:00] <HostingGeek> hoary has moved to xorg because by preview 1 we are hoping nvidia and ati release there drivers they promissed in dec 2004
[04:00] <HostingGeek> *for
[04:02] <noflex> it the ati driver includet in 4.10 or do i have to get it from ati.com
[04:02] <broodster> hmm
[04:03] <broodster> how come to volume on some movies i watch with xine
[04:03] <fabbione> noflex: they are
[04:03] <broodster> have such low volume
[04:03] <noflex> fabbione: thanks nice :)
[04:06] <HostingGeek> broodster: no they don't
[04:06] <HostingGeek> its your ovie
[04:06] <HostingGeek> *movie
[04:09] <randabis-wireles> I likes my hoary
[04:16] <Prescott767> Hi!
[04:16] <lumumba> would someone be willing to help me with realplayer and firefox under Warty?  Both are installed,and both work separately, but I get error messages when trying to click on realvideo links in Firefox
[04:16] <Prescott767> Could someone help me with my Ubuntu Linux?
[04:17] <scizzo> Prescott767: might be good to know what your problem is...
[04:18] <pdkl> i like gdesklets, they are nice
[04:18] <HostingGeek> i am getting some super fast speeds here
[04:19] <HostingGeek> i am only getting 483 bytes per second
[04:19] <Prescott767> Well, I installed the Ubuntu and started the internet connection by pppoeconf, but I can't manage to get apt-get working :(
[04:19] <scizzo> lumumba: if you go to about:plugins does firefox list the realplayer stuff?
[04:19] <lumumba> it lists 2 symlinks to the realplayer plugins
[04:20] <pdkl> what is apt-get behaving like?
[04:21] <lumumba> scizzo- I mean two symlinks are listed in the plugins folder; nothing comes up related to plugins in the "about firefox" dialog box
[04:22] <scizzo> lumumba: I said go to about:plugins
[04:22] <scizzo> lumumba: start firefox....go to the address about:plugins
[04:22] <Prescott767> I want to add extra repositories, but it says
[04:22] <Prescott767> sudo: unable to lookup superubuntu via gethostbyname()
[04:22] <Prescott767> postdrop: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory
[04:22] <Prescott767> (gedit:4225): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[04:22] <Prescott767> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[04:23] <balthus> hello and good morning all!
[04:23] <balthus> question: i mounted my windows partition but i cannot see any files pls help
[04:24] <scizzo> balthus: how did you mount it?
[04:24] <lumumba> scizzo-nphelix.so, the realplayer plugin metafile is listed aat about:plugins
[04:25] <balthus> sasha1@ubuntu:~ $ sudo mkdir /mnt/windows
[04:25] <scizzo> lumumba: you are using helix?
[04:25] <Scognito> hi all
[04:25] <lumumba> yes, this is a new install of ubuntu and the newest version of helixplayer
[04:26] <scizzo> lumumba: how sure are you that it works at all with helix?
[04:26] <lumumba> the files play fine if I cut and paste them into the player directly
[04:26] <pdkl> Prescott767, maybe one of your extra repositories is mispelled
[04:26] <scizzo> lumumba: sounds like helix has a problem with their plugin
[04:27] <cartman> is there a way to see why dpkg fails?
[04:27] <scizzo> think I got the same problem when I tested Helix
[04:27] <Prescott767> I don't know, I just installed the Ubuntu...
[04:27] <lumumba> were you able to resolve it?
[04:27] <cartman> dpkg --purge cupsys results in
[04:27] <scizzo> lumumba: no
[04:27] <cartman> dpkg: error processing cupsys (--purge):
[04:27] <cartman>  subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 20
[04:27] <cartman> any ideas?
[04:28] <scizzo> lumumba: I didn't have time...and I thought that helix needed to do some more work before I would start to use it...
[04:29] <scizzo> cartman: have you removed it before trying to purge it?
[04:29] <balthus> scizzo: i tried unmounting and remounting, but that doesn't work, i made another mount called windows1 but no luck
[04:29] <scizzo> cartman: apt-get remove --purge cupsys?
[04:29] <cartman> scizzo: gives same error
[04:29] <scizzo> hmmm
[04:29] <cartman> scizzo: err not same error now
[04:30] <cartman> because I did apt-get remove cupsys
[04:30] <lumumba> does anyone out there have helixplayer and firefox working together happily?
[04:30] <Scognito> muine doesnt' work on hoary, any hint?
[04:30] <Scognito> it give me dll not found
[04:30] <Scognito> Unhandled Exception: System.DllNotFoundException: libmuine
[04:31] <Scognito> but i have libmuine.so
[04:32] <Prescott767> ...
[04:33] <lumumba> scognito- I can get them to work fine, separately, but when I click on a realmedia link, helixplayer complains that it doesn't recoginize the  "sdsdfsdfsd.ra" filetype
[04:34] <HostingGeek> why doesn't redhate follow this http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/ref-guide/s1-filesystem-fhs.html they say they do according to that link
[04:34] <Scognito> lumumba, ?
[04:34] <runenes> the command: "sudo mount file.iso dir -o loop" returns: "mount: could not find any device /dev/loop#" - what should I configure?
[04:35] <Scognito> runenes, sudo mount -o loop file.iso dir
[04:35] <randabis-wireles> runenes modprobe loop first
[04:36] <randabis-wireles> if you want loop to load at startup, add it to /etc/modules
[04:36] <Freedomzen> does ubuntu need an initrd I am going to build a kernel with the cko patchset just wanna get it right the first time
[04:36] <runenes> thanks, randabis-wireles, it worked!
[04:36] <randabis-wireles> np
[04:36] <randabis-wireles> it doesn't come mounted by default
[04:36] <randabis-wireles> err loaded
[04:37] <lumumba> the mozillla plugin docs say "Make sure a symbolic link to the realplay script is in your PATH"
[04:37] <randabis-wireles> you can also add an entry into /etc/fstab if you want an iso to be mounted at startup
[04:37] <lumumba> I'm not sure how to do that
[04:38] <scizzo> Prescott767: not in /msg
[04:38] <scizzo> Prescott767: when do you get the error?
[04:39] <Prescott767> when i type sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:40] <scizzo> Prescott767: try using another editor
[04:40] <Prescott767> for example?
[04:40] <scizzo> nano
[04:40] <lek> nano
[04:40] <randabis-wireles> nano, vi, etc
[04:41] <Prescott767> actually, when i went to etc folder, i didn't see the sources.list file
[04:42] <lek> etc/apt ..
[04:42] <lek> then sources
[04:42] <Prescott767> ok, but how can i use that nano and how should the command look like?
[04:43] <randabis-wireles> the same, just replace gedit with nano
[04:43] <Freedomzen> nano -w /path/to/file
[04:43] <randabis-wireles> but I think your error is possibly a missing sources.list
[04:44] <randabis-wireles> since gedit is installed by default in ubuntu
[04:44] <lek> what's his error say?
[04:44] <randabis-wireles> I don't know, he never posted it
[04:44] <scizzo> lek: backlog
[04:44] <Prescott767> yes! nano seems to work!
[04:44] <scizzo> yes he did
[04:44] <randabis-wireles> ah, must have missed it
[04:44] <scizzo> like I said...backlog
[04:44] <lek> of course nano works :)
[04:44] <Prescott767> never mind
[04:45] <Freedomzen> ok
[04:45] <hays> Hey, does ubuntu use LDFLAGS optimizations?
[04:45] <Freedomzen> so to initrd or to not initrd
[04:45] <Freedomzen> that is the question
[04:45] <lek> to
[04:45] <scizzo> and if the file wouldn't have existed gedit should have created one...or asked if it should be created
[04:45] <scizzo> the same goes with most of the editors existing out there
[04:46] <Prescott767> thanks
[04:46] <randabis-wireles> hmm
[04:46] <randabis-wireles> his error be quirky..never seen that before
[04:47] <scizzo> Prescott767: after installing ubuntu did you run a apt-get update and apt-get -u dist-upgrade ?
[04:48] <Prescott767> no
[04:48] <Prescott767> because it didnt work
[04:48] <Prescott767> it doesnt know the mirror server I think
[04:48] <scizzo> ok
[04:53] <Prescott767> but how can i save the modified sources.list?
[04:54] <Freedomzen> ctrl=x
[04:54] <Freedomzen> er
[04:54] <Freedomzen> +
[04:54] <Freedomzen> ctrl+x
[04:58] <Prescott767> Thank you all! Apt-get started to download! :)
[05:00] <smitty> hello
[05:02] <smitty> anyone burn with xmms?
[05:03] <__learner__> hi.
[05:06] <kleper> hi
[05:07] <kleper> i have ubuntu, but i need the kernel 2.4.28, when i compile this , i lost the soud what can i do?
[05:09] <__learner__> How can I set GRUB to use those nice splash screens?
[05:09] <crimsun> kleper: you need to compile ALSA for your kernel
[05:09] <hays> Does anyone here know about LDFLAGS use in ubuntu?
[05:09] <crimsun> hays: no different from any other distro...
[05:09] <Kirsch> hey guys, when i start, i get that shcp(sp?) hotplug display bug (Fatal Error, operation permitted from loading 4 modules), it is a display bug, has it been fixed yet?
[05:10] <crimsun> Kirsch: it's a non-fatal bug because you simply lack that hardware.
[05:10] <Kirsch> crimsun: can i disable it from starting at all then?
[05:11] <kleper> alsa-driver and alsa-lib?
[05:11] <crimsun> Kirsch: blacklist it: echo shpchp | sudo tee -a /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[05:11] <crimsun> kleper: at least alsa-driver
[05:12] <dud> cheers folks
[05:12] <crimsun> 'lo
[05:12] <Kirsch> crimsun: there are 4 errors that popup
[05:12] <kleper> only alsa-driver?
[05:13] <kleper> becouse i do it, and dont run the sound :s
[05:13] <randabis-wireles> hey, you can prevent the schp driver from loading
[05:13] <crimsun> Kirsch: echo pciehp | sudo tee -a /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[05:13] <crimsun> randabis-wireles: yes, that's what I pasted above.
[05:13] <randabis-wireles> ha I'm a bit behind my bad, crimsun got that one handled
[05:14] <randabis-wireles> I'm in too many rooms
[05:14] <crimsun> kleper: do you have ubuntu installed already? if so, then the necessary userspace libraries and utils are already installde.
[05:14] <crimsun> kleper: installed^
[05:14] <crimsun> kleper: all you need is alsa-driver for your 2.4 kernel
[05:14] <kleper> yes i have all installed
[05:15] <Kirsch> also: when i start it stalls on "Network" thats normal since it's either a wireless connection that isn't available or the plug isn't plugged in, i'm managing my network manually through Network-Admin (in Ubuntu), how can I disable networking from starting up at startup?
[05:15] <randabis-wireles> heh my home folder won't load in nautilus from the places link on my panel for some reason
[05:16] <scizzo> randabis-wireles: after upgrade?
[05:16] <scizzo> randabis-wireles: try to restart GNOME
[05:16] <randabis-wireles> yeah I will
[05:17] <kleper> i am compiling now...
[05:17] <randabis-wireles> complete reboot, or can I just CTRL ALT BACKSPACE?
[05:17] <kleper> by the source of alsa-driver.
[05:17] <scizzo> randabis-wireles: might work with ctrl alt backspace
[05:17] <randabis-wireles> okay
[05:17] <dud> i dont suppose anyone has verified the ubuntu amd64 to work with MSI K8NM FISRB motherboard?
[05:17] <scizzo> sometimes that does not kill everything though
[05:18] <randabis-wireles> I'll be back in a second then
[05:18] <dud> specifically thinking about the nvidia integrated graphics and sound chipset
[05:18] <kleper> i have the error : you dont have libasound
[05:19] <dud> im also considering an ATi Radeon 9250 to go with that..... but would i then need 64bit drivers?
[05:19] <dud> im a bit lost here...
[05:19] <dud> really dont know much about 64bit linux...
[05:20] <Frossi> Hi, I have Athlon Xp 1800+ should I go with the k7 or the i686 kernel?
[05:20] <dud> Frossi, k7
[05:20] <dud> afaik
[05:21] <jcspray> Frossi: I also run xp 1800+: I use k7 kernel successfully
[05:21] <Frossi> ok...I'll go with that then
[05:21] <randabis-wireles> the home folder was open already on startup...guess it's working now
[05:21] <thenuke> is not that i686 for p3 and such
[05:22] <kebac> is it much faster to use k7 than i686
[05:22] <randabis-wireles> yeah I use it for my p3
[05:22] <Vaportrail> k7 made my xp 2000+ a bit faster in 3d games
[05:23] <randabis-wireles> <3 streamtuner
[05:24] <hays> crimsun, I've heard its not the same
[05:25] <crimsun> hays: ?
[05:25] <Kirsch> crimsun: any idea on my network problem?
[05:25] <hays> crimsun, I've heard ubuntu uses some LDFLAGS optimizations not common to many other distros
[05:26] <crimsun> hays: uh...
[05:26] <crimsun> hays: that's pretty far-fetched
[05:26] <crimsun> Kirsch: sec
[05:26] <Prescott761> hello again, I have another question...
[05:26] <Kirsch> i basicalyl want to run this RH command in ubuntu "chkconfig network off"
[05:27] <Kirsch> i want to turn off the start of my networking... ill handle it manually.
[05:27] <crimsun> Kirsch: I'm really only familiar with the conffile; you could simply change all the interfaces so they don't start up automatically
[05:27] <crimsun> Kirsch: (e.g., remove the auto $iface part)
[05:27] <Kirsch> i dont get it...
[05:28] <Kirsch> is there a way to just not start any network adapters?
[05:28] <Kirsch> when i start?
[05:28] <trey3> crimsun: LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1"  is what he referes... most don't seem to think it provides and dramatic difference?
[05:28] <trey3> s/and/any
[05:28] <crimsun> Kirsch: yes, and I stated how
[05:29] <__learner__> should I install firefox 1.0 form their website?
[05:29] <hays> trey3, I can't find any actual information on  what it does
[05:29] <Prescott761> How can I get rid of this message while booting: "Could not look up internet adress for superubuntu. This will prevent GNOME from operating correctly. It may be possible to correct the problem by adding superubuntu to the file /etc/hosts."
[05:29] <hays> except reports that it causes mass breakage mixed with reports of significant speedup
[05:29] <Kirsch> crimsun: how do i remove the auto $iface part?
[05:29] <crimsun> Kirsch: use an editor to edit /etc/network/interfaces
[05:30] <Kirsch> ok now... i change the profile through network-admin, does that matter?
[05:31] <jcspray> Kirsh: network-admin: properties->"Activate when the computer starts"
[05:31] <trey3> hays: helps speed up startup time of applications...
[05:31] <Kirsch> jcspray: i do disable it there... but it still loadsit for some reason.. i think network-admin is flaky... any alternative?
[05:31] <trey3> hays: simular in concept to prelinking, but not as picky :)
[05:32] <randabis-wireles> _learner_ you can, but you can get a .deb for both firefox and thunderbird from the warty backports project if you use warty
[05:34] <hays> trey3, that's what I've heard
[05:34] <randabis-wireles> I'm assuming you are since hoary already comes with the latest versions of both
[05:35] <Lizard_King> hello
[05:35] <Lizard_King> someone there?
[05:35] <trey3> Lizard_King: yes
[05:35] <jcspray> Lizard King: yes, 301 someones.  Just ask.
[05:35] <randabis-wireles> there's a few of us around I reckon
[05:35] <__learner__> yes, I use, but there is no version for my language
[05:35] <Lizard_King> i want to ask some question on Ubunut
[05:35] <jcspray> I'm not sure if I'm here or not, actually.  I might be dreaming.
[05:36] <Lizard_King> can I?
[05:36] <jcspray> Lizard_King: Just ask.
[05:36] <Lizard_King> ok
[05:36] <Lizard_King> I' m worthy version
[05:36] <__learner__> randabis-wireles, so I downloaded the brazilian version, where should I install it?
[05:36] <Lizard_King> and it so fantastic
[05:36] <Lizard_King> the best linux distribution
[05:36] <Lizard_King> for the desk user
[05:36] <randabis-wireles> well, by default it goes into /usr/local/lib/mozilla-firefox
[05:37] <Lizard_King> I want to now please if it is possible to  upgrade the version 4.10 worthy to the hoary?
[05:37] <randabis-wireles> yes, you have to edit your sources.list
[05:37] <trey3> Lizard_King: yes... but I'm not sure you really want to do that?
[05:38] <randabis-wireles> be prepared for headaches though
[05:38] <Lizard_King> but also the upgrade leave all settings?
[05:38] <IRCsloth> what's the command to clean out my apt cache again? I'm looking to free some disk spac
[05:38] <randabis-wireles> for the most part it stays the same, but your video and sound might be broken initially
[05:38] <randabis-wireles> mine were
[05:38] <trey3> Lizard_King: it would for the most part, yes... but you really should know a little about the debian packaging system to use a devel branch...
[05:38] <randabis-wireles> sudo apt-get clean
[05:39] <trey3> Have to know how to work around some issues...
[05:39] <IRCsloth> thanks
[05:39] <jcspray> Lizard_King: Your settings will probably be okay, but hoary is 'unstable' version so may not work properly.
[05:39] <Lizard_King> ja ja
[05:39] <Lizard_King> but I'm just want to know if it is possible when hoarty will be stable
[05:40] <randabis-wireles> I'm gonna to update my main computer to hoary when I hook it back up
[05:40] <trey3> Lizard_King: yes... it will be possible... its one of the strong suits of Debian, upgrading without reinstalling  :)
[05:40] <Lizard_King> ohh beautiful
[05:40] <randabis-wireles> yeah updating from warty to hoary shouldn't be hard to update.
[05:40] <jcspray> Lizard_King: yeah, sure.  It's basically just a case of editing /etc/apt/sources.list and replacing 'warty' with 'hoary', then doing a full update.
[05:41] <trey3> jcspray: there is a reason no one has been specific with him yet...
[05:41] <randabis-wireles> you're gonna be waiting until April/May for a "stable" though it seems
[05:41] <Lizard_King> so in April when hoarty will be stable what I do to upgrade/install hoary?
[05:41] <jcspray> trey3: If I don't give out nooses who will I watch hang?
[05:41] <randabis-wireles> you follow said directions above my post
[05:42] <trey3> jcspray: but if he has issues, he may lose faith in Ubuntu as a whole... a bad thing I think you will agree  :)
[05:42] <jcspray> trey3: Nothing like a baptism of fire ;-)  But I think he's been warned enough now.
[05:42] <__learner__> Do you know how can I get firefox 1.0 to work for every user?
[05:42] <jcspray> I was just emphasising how simple it was.
[05:43] <Lizard_King> and now if I want to install bootsplash in worthy , how can I do? can I download the deb package from hoary repository?????
[05:44] <randabis-wireles> I had issues, but I thoughti it was fun having to spend the extra time to fix them
[05:44] <trey3> jcspray: there have even been articles about it... strange to me that it would be such a popular activity... most have complained about devel branches of Debian for a long time...
[05:45] <paulproteus> __learner__: Firefox 1.0:
[05:45] <jcspray> trey3: Yeah, I don't get it either.  I run warty, ableit with lots of GNOME CVS stuff.  I have to confess to using the hoary kernel packages (for some 2.6.10-needing hardware), but apart from that I'd much rather have a boring (read: working) system.
[05:45] <__learner__> yes paulproteus. Firerox 1.0
[05:45] <__learner__> I get their installer, but it looks like it works only for one user.
[05:45] <trey3> jcspray: heh... I was one of the first to switch to hoary  :)
[05:45] <paulproteus> __learner__: Let me look one thing up and give you a straightforward answer.  One sec.
[05:46] <__learner__> I want it to be replacing the old firefox verison. Tx
[05:46] <daniela> hi, i update to hoary today and seams to be something wrong with my keyboard....my layout is brazilian abnt 2...its ok on the preferences but my "\" (not that..the other) dont work...someone could help me )
[05:46] <trey3> jcspray: only annoying hiccup so far was the menu problem a while back  :)
[05:46] <Lizard_King> someone know how to install bootsplash in worthy , how can I do? can I download the deb package from hoary repository?????
[05:46] <daniela> sorry my english (its horrable)
[05:47] <Lizard_King> ciao daniela
[05:47] <paulproteus> __learner__: Here.    "Where did all my programs go?"
[05:47] <paulproteus> If you just upgrade after adding that to your sources, you'll get Firefox 1.0.
[05:48] <daniela> lizard_king u can help me
[05:48] <daniela> )
[05:48] <Lizard_King> what did U do?
[05:48] <Lizard_King> daniela, are U italian?
[05:49] <daniela> no, brazilian
[05:49] <Lizard_King> ah
[05:49] <Lizard_King> daniela what's your problem?
[05:49] <trey3> jcspray: that was pretty much the issue in hoary about a fourtnight ago  :)
[05:50] <daniela> its on the keyboard layot...
[05:50] <daniela> the \ (not this one)
[05:50] <daniela> dont work
[05:50] <daniela> since i update to hoary
[05:50] <randabis-wireles> my programs are all still there in gnome 2.9.x
[05:51] <Lizard_King> from terminal try top tipe keyload o somethingsimilar or try so search "keyload" over Google
[05:51] <trey3> daniela: easiest way... System > Preferences > Keyboard ... "Layout", add which one you want to use :)
[05:51] <daniela> yes...its ok on there
[05:51] <Lizard_King> i have try keyload on Gentoo and It works
[05:51] <daniela> but dont work the same way
[05:51] <jcspray> randabis-wireles: you running hoary?  I expect that hoary works better with 2.9 than my warty.
[05:52] <__learner__> tx a lot. now firefox 1.0 is installing
[05:52] <Freedomzen> rob@freedom:~$ uname -a
[05:52] <Freedomzen> Linux freedom 2.6.10-nitro1-ARCH #1 SMP Tue Dec 28 21:59:09 EST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[05:52] <Freedomzen> yay!
[05:52] <trey3> jcspray: hoary doesn't actually use a full GNOME 2.9 ... but its quite stable  :)
[05:52] <__learner__> Can I install mozilla language packs on firefox?
[05:53] <daniela> trey3: dont work the same way
[05:54] <daniela> trey3: i add "brazilian abnt2"...and my \ (not inverted) dont work
[05:54] <jcspray> daniela: are we talking about the "/" character?
[05:54] <__learner__> are you brazilian too daniela?
[05:55] <daniela> yes
[05:55] <daniela> yes
[05:55] <__learner__> nice
[05:56] <trey3> daniela: try setting, moving to top of list (or removing all others) and logout...
[05:56] <Freedomzen> do you think I should write a howto on getting nitro sources to work on ubuntu?
[05:56] <__learner__> I back! Now with mozilla 1.0 I just need to figure out how to make it become brazilian portuguese.
[05:56] <zenwhen> Whats the point of nitro sources?
[05:56] <trey3> Freedomzen: whats good from there?
[05:56] <jon__> is there a repository for ubuntu that has transcode in it?
[05:57] <jon__> there are packages that require it, but it's not included
[05:57] <Freedomzen> well patchset is for improved desktop performence
[05:57] <daniela> trey3: on preferences)
[05:57] <Freedomzen> reiser4 for those that want it etc...
[05:57] <randabis-wireles> yeah, I am running hoary
[05:57] <daniela> trey3: dont work either
[05:58] <trey3> Freedomzen: umm... seems kinda a waste of time enabling reiser4 after install? most don't seem to like it anyways (hence it not being enabled in most distros)
[05:59] <Freedomzen> trey3, nitro-sources is not just for reiser4 but also for improved desktop performence
[05:59] <Freedomzen> im running it now and have noticed a big improvement from the stock hoary kernel
[06:00] <jcspray> jon__: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[06:00] <jcspray> at least, I think that's where my system's getting it from
[06:00] <trey3> Freedomzen: but the stock hoary kernel is -386 ...
[06:01] <trey3> Freedomzen: so thats not saying much...
[06:01] <Freedomzen> trey3, I was using the -686
[06:01] <Freedomzen> :P
[06:01] <trey3> jcspray: marillats sources aren't compatible with ubuntu atm...
[06:02] <trey3> Freedomzen: then thats not stock  ;)
[06:02] <Freedomzen> heh
[06:02] <trey3> 2.6.10-1-k7
[06:02] <trey3> seems fast to me?
[06:03] <Freedomzen> sure
[06:03] <Freedomzen> but thats u
[06:03] <Freedomzen> heh
[06:03] <tritium> why not quantify the difference in performance?
[06:03] <jon__> jcspray: if it's just a debian mirror it shouldn't matter which one, correct?
[06:03] <Freedomzen> cool jus wanted to see if someone wanted it
[06:03] <trey3> jon__: correct...
[06:03] <jon__> thanks
[06:04] <trey3> jon__: 'apt-spy' is useful for picking though... checks which is fastest for you  :)
[06:04] <trey3> jon__: not sure if that would look for ubuntu mirrors for us though?
[06:05] <trey3> probably should... but its in Universe, so dunno  :/
[06:05] <randabis-wireles> what is the command to run apt-spy?
[06:05] <Freedomzen> apt-spy
[06:05] <randabis-wireles> that didn't work for me
[06:05] <trey3> randabis-wireles: you must install it first...
[06:06] <Freedomzen> heh
[06:06] <randabis-wireles> I'm pretty sure I did
[06:06] <randabis-wireles> I'll doublecheck
[06:06] <trey3> randabis-wireles: dpkg -l apt-spy
[06:06] <trey3> randabis-wireles: if you installed it... its 'apt-spy'
[06:06] <randabis-wireles> yeah it wasn't installed...I could have sworn I installed it earlier...lol
[06:06] <ficusplanet> Hey everyone.  I just set up warty on my inspiron 1100 (dell notebook) and the screen has a black border about two inches thick on all sides.  How can I fix this?
[06:07] <randabis-wireles> change your resolution probably
[06:07] <randabis-wireles> unless it's something else
[06:07] <trey3> ficusplanet: you've played with the monitors settings physically?
[06:07] <linux_mafia> i do believe the citizens of #solaris are the rudest bunch of fu**ers ive encountered on irc so far
[06:07] <ficusplanet> trey3, I dont see a way to do that.  I won't let me change the resolution from 640x480.
[06:07] <randabis-wireles> and if not your resolution, maybe your horz and vert frequencies
[06:08] <trey3> linux_mafia: not tried #debian in a while huh?  :P
[06:08] <randabis-wireles> heh
[06:08] <linux_mafia> trey3, the make them seem helpful and friendly
[06:08] <randabis-wireles> I've never been there
[06:09] <trey3> ficusplanet: ahh... /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ... remove all instances of "640x480"...  I don't think thats such a good idea... people just need to not make others so aware of the possibility...
[06:14] <HostingGeek> ubuntu should not say the kernel version in there build as this can be a secirty risk
[06:14] <trey3> HostingGeek: ?
[06:14] <linux_mafia> hoary's excellent for me, just still a few menu niggles is all
[06:14] <HostingGeek> there are holes in every version that can be exploded
[06:14] <trey3> linux_mafia: like what? just not used to it yet? I kinda like the new menus  :)
[06:15] <BockBilbo> new menus???
[06:15] <BockBilbo> how are they like?
[06:15] <HappyFool> so then an attacker can just try them all. there aren't that many kernel versions ;)
[06:15] <trey3> HostingGeek: I'm not sure what you mean?
[06:15] <linux_mafia> trey3, pan wont show up, cant remove stuff as yet, hmm, something else to
[06:15] <HostingGeek> if the exploder knew which version then he can easly explode it using many thanks to open source holes
[06:15] <linux_mafia> trey3, nothing major
[06:15] <trey3> BockBilbo: Computer has been seperated into 2 menus, Places and System... more logical imo  :)
[06:15] <randabis-wireles> you get a places panel
[06:15] <randabis-wireles> and a debian menu
[06:16] <trey3> randabis-wireles: no... not a debian menu by default.
[06:16] <Vaportrail> and less room in ur panel
[06:16] <linux_mafia> randabis-wireles, i have no debian menu
[06:16] <trey3> randabis-wireles: you have 'menu' installed...
[06:16] <randabis-wireles> hah oh yeah
[06:16] <randabis-wireles> I don't remember installing it
[06:16] <BockBilbo> so, trey3 , two submenus into the computer menu?
[06:16] <trey3> BockBilbo: no... Computer is gone
[06:16] <BockBilbo> ohh
[06:16] <randabis-wireles> it's System
[06:17] <BockBilbo> so thre menus, apps, system and places
[06:17] <BockBilbo> right?
[06:17] <BockBilbo> *three
[06:17] <trey3> BockBilbo: yes
[06:17] <BockBilbo> ohh
[06:17] <BockBilbo> cool...
[06:17] <trey3> but in the order: Applications Places System :P
[06:17] <BockBilbo> what gaim version does hoary have?
[06:17] <linux_mafia> trey3, oh, and i had to get a couple of mono things from sid, to hooked on beagle to not have it
[06:17] <BockBilbo> 1.1.1?
[06:17] <trey3> BockBilbo: yes
[06:17] <BockBilbo> and which oo??
[06:17] <BockBilbo> 1.1.4?
[06:17] <linux_mafia> no
[06:17] <trey3> .3
[06:18] <BockBilbo> well.. warty has 1.1.2
[06:18] <jon__> so i tried adding the marillat sources but transcode has unmet dependencies
[06:18] <BockBilbo> lol
[06:18] <linux_mafia> BockBilbo, trust me it hasnt changed alot, and 2 is imminent
[06:19] <BockBilbo> ive heard that about 2
[06:19] <BockBilbo> ..
[06:19] <BockBilbo> i guess that onces it appears, it will be added to hoary
[06:19] <BockBilbo> right?
[06:19] <trey3> BockBilbo: 2.0 is supposed to rule... a lot of speed improvements etc  :)
[06:19] <BockBilbo> :)
[06:19] <BockBilbo> i think im gonna enjoy hoary
[06:20] <BockBilbo> ... i had lots of problems updating some programs in warty
[06:20] <linux_mafia> hey, hey, lets not get to hyped up over an office sweet, ;) or are there alot of secretaries here?
[06:20] <HappyFool> well, firefox 1.0 isn't in warty; i don't know if the same rules would apply to hoary if oo 2.0 were released too late for hoary
[06:20] <linux_mafia> sweet, heh
[06:20] <linux_mafia> suite
[06:20] <BockBilbo> mm whats the name for the next ubuntu release after hoary?
[06:21] <trey3> linux_mafia: heh... but waiting ~2 mins for OOo to fire up is annoying... office suites are kinda important to most...
[06:21] <lek> grumpy
[06:21] <linux_mafia> trey3, i agree
[06:21] <BockBilbo> me too..
[06:21] <BockBilbo> :s
[06:21] <linux_mafia> BockBilbo, grumpy groundhog
[06:22] <BockBilbo> mmm is it already under development?
[06:22] <lek> and it should come in october
[06:22] <linux_mafia> BockBilbo, no
[06:22] <BockBilbo> ohh
[06:22] <BockBilbo> so hoary will become stable in october
[06:22] <linux_mafia> BockBilbo, hoary is still under devel
[06:22] <BockBilbo> right?
[06:22] <lek> no
[06:22] <lek> grumpy
[06:22] <lek> hoary in april
[06:22] <BockBilbo> ohh
[06:22] <trey3> BockBilbo: new devel branches are started about a week after release of previous version...
[06:23] <BockBilbo> so thats what i meant, grumpy will be unstable  from april to oct, right?
[06:23] <lek> yes
[06:23] <trey3> BockBilbo: its the Ubuntu way that devels will always USE the devel branch... whereas Debian folks use Sid and don't much care about the devel release "Testing"...
[06:23] <linux_mafia> BockBilbo, whats a bock? and is bilbo after the baggins of the same name?
[06:23] <BockBilbo> hehe
[06:23] <BockBilbo> lol
[06:23] <BockBilbo> xD
[06:23] <BockBilbo> bock was the name of a dog i had
[06:24] <trey3> BockBilbo: with devels using the devel branch, bugs will be found and fixes much faster basically because they will be annoying to devels too  :)
[06:24] <BockBilbo> lol... and Bilbo is the city I live writen in Basque, Bilbao in spanish and english
[06:24] <linux_mafia> oh
[06:24] <linux_mafia> eta?
[06:24] <trey3> BockBilbo: where are you? Spain?
[06:24] <BockBilbo> trey3, Basque Country, Spaiin yes
[06:25] <BockBilbo> linux_mafia, eta is here yes... but eta != Basque country
[06:25] <trey3> BockBilbo: ahh... Chelsea gets to play Barca in February... looking forward to it 8)
[06:25] <BockBilbo> for those who dont know... eta is a terrorist group
[06:25] <trey3> Will be great game  8)
[06:25] <linux_mafia> BockBilbo, sorry bad joke
[06:25] <BockBilbo> lol
[06:25] <BockBilbo> grea gaime
[06:25] <BockBilbo> yes
[06:25] <BockBilbo> linux_mafia, dnt worry
[06:25] <BockBilbo> ;)
[06:26] <linux_mafia> trey3, you in uk?
[06:26] <trey3> BockBilbo: according to fifa rankings, #1 and #2 club teams in the world  :)
[06:26] <BockBilbo> it will be hard for chelsea to defeat bara, though they lost 3-0 yesterday...
[06:26] <trey3> linux_mafia: nah... moved to America when I was 13
[06:26] <BockBilbo> trey, are they???
[06:27] <BockBilbo> i though 1st was madrid
[06:27] <trey3> BockBilbo: Chelsea is a great defensive side... will be hard for Barca to break us down  :)
[06:27] <linux_mafia> oh god, soccer is the nanciest game ever, 90 minutes of pansies hamming it up for penalties for a nil-nil score
[06:27] <BockBilbo> lol
[06:27] <trey3> BockBilbo: http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3042884
[06:27] <BockBilbo> trey3, ..... ronaldinho... etto... giuli ....
[06:27] <gen> i agree with mafia
[06:27] <BockBilbo> ..
[06:28] <linux_mafia> may as well go to a gym, and watch random sweaty men run around, heh
[06:28] <tritium> wtf does "nanciest" mean?
[06:28] <BockBilbo> :p
[06:28] <gen> it means homosexual
[06:28] <trey3> linux_mafia: there is no other sport on earth where you can be on a pitch with 20 people, and have 15 nations represented...
[06:28] <BockBilbo> :|
[06:28] <gen> a pitch?
[06:29] <trey3> gen: field...
[06:29] <linux_mafia> not necesserily (shit dunno how to spell that), a nancy boy is an effeminate man
[06:29] <usual> http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html
[06:29] <linux_mafia> but not always gay
[06:29] <BockBilbo> wel...
[06:29] <BockBilbo> trey3, im not a barcelona fan
[06:29] <tritium> thanks for the translation
[06:29] <trey3> BockBilbo: who you like?  :P
[06:29] <BockBilbo> im an Athletic Club Bilbao fan
[06:30] <linux_mafia> im a rugby head, i am from new zealand, heh
[06:30] <BockBilbo> lol
[06:30] <__learner__> why there's no mozilla-firefox-locale-pt-br on my list?
[06:30] <BockBilbo> linux_mafia, i think rugby is boaring
[06:30] <BockBilbo> lol
[06:30] <__learner__> can you help me find thath package.
[06:30] <trey3> linux_mafia: Rugby just doesn't entertain me... although I've been to the high school in Rugby where the game was invented
[06:31] <trey3> linux_mafia: they have a plaque stating the guys name that first ran with the ball etc.... quite interesting  :)
[06:31] <trey3> linux_mafia: I was born about 5-10 mins from that school  :)
[06:31] <linux_mafia> well at least neither rugby or soccer is as crap as american football
[06:31] <HappyFool> __learner__: i see mozilla-locale-ptbr  via   apt-cache search 'br$'
[06:32] <trey3> linux_mafia: heh... American Football wouldn't be so bad if the refs weren't on an ego trip  :/
[06:32] <BockBilbo> linux_mafia, i agree with you at 100%
[06:32] <__learner__> yeah, but I dont. Can I fix that
[06:32] <BockBilbo> lol
[06:32] <trey3> Damn near every play there are flags  :/
[06:32] <HappyFool> __learner__: do you see the name difference?
[06:32] <HappyFool> the one I see is ...-ptbr , not ...-pt-br
[06:32] <linux_mafia> trey3, its not the ref, its just the game as far as i can see
[06:33] <__learner__> yeah.
[06:33] <trey3> linux_mafia: too many rules to make it fun to watch... same with basketball  :/
[06:33] <linux_mafia> the yanks get off on the stats
[06:33] <__learner__> but theres nothing like it here
[06:33] <__learner__> should I add some repository?
[06:33] <linux_mafia> almost worse than cricket, ;)
[06:33] <trey3> linux_mafia: heh  :)
[06:33] <HappyFool> __learner__: err, i don't know. hang on a mo
[06:34] <__learner__> tx
[06:34] <Vaportrail> pocket billiard is quite interesting
[06:34] <trey3> 2 of the most boring sports around... yay
[06:34] <HappyFool> __learner__: i'm not expert, but it looks like it's in warty universe
[06:34] <trey3> Vaportrail: pocket billiards? umm... pool in your pocket? small table?  :o
[06:35] <Vaportrail> trey3: it means jerking off
[06:35] <poof> should be concitered a type of theatre event insted of a sport LOL
[06:35] <trey3> ohhh...  How can I install it?
[06:35] <poof> lol
[06:35] <Vaportrail> u got it :)
[06:35] <poof> learner use synaptic
[06:35] <HappyFool> __learner__: err. I would rather use ubuntu's
[06:35] <__learner__> is there any for ubuntu?
[06:36] <poof> sudo synaptic from commandline
[06:36] <trey3> __learner__: to download .debs individually is to utterly miss the point of apt.
[06:36] <HappyFool> __learner__: you'll probably need a line like this in your /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[06:36] <__learner__> yeah, but apt is not showing the package.
[06:36] <trey3> HappyFool: plus add multiverse to the end of that  :)
[06:36] <HappyFool> __learner__: see ubuntuguide.org for a list of useful repositories to add
[06:37] <poof> anyone here useing hoary? If so what version of Gimp you guys got?
[06:37] <Vaportrail> trey3 must be a NASA thing
[06:37] <tritium> 2.2
[06:37] <trey3> poof: 2.2+rel
[06:37] <poof> Swet thanks
[06:37] <poof> nice
[06:37] <trey3> but don't ask me what the rel refers to
[06:37] <poof> I might switch
[06:37] <__learner__> there is universe multiverse and mariliat on my file
[06:37] <randabis-wireles> hah I am sharing a windows printer with ubuntu using samba
[06:38] <HappyFool> __learner__: have you done apt-get update ?
[06:38] <linux_mafia> trey3, i still wanna know why all the java how tos, are for complex manual installs, when you can just use java-package to make j2sdk, and j2re debs
[06:38] <trey3> linux_mafia: I personally think that method is more difficult than just installing and symlinking  :/
[06:39] <linux_mafia> what typing one command
[06:39] <poof> if hoary is Xorg how do you guys make it work with ATi cards? is Xorg cool to ATI cards? I need I need Open GL with hardware excelleration.
[06:39] <__learner__> yes, updated through synaptic
[06:40] <randabis-wireles> you could get a cheap geforce 4 ti card, that's how your ati card would run in linux anyway
[06:40] <randabis-wireles> heh
[06:40] <poof> I am useing Nvidia card now but when i re-install I might pop a radeon 9800 into this system
[06:40] <linux_mafia> IRCsloth, gnetmd
[06:40] <tritium> poof, don't know about ATI, but nVidia hardware acceleration works just fine
[06:40] <poof> Cool
[06:40] <IRCsloth> yeah, but that doesn't allow for music transfer
[06:40] <linux_mafia> IRCsloth, oh
[06:40] <trey3> linux_mafia: technically 'chmod +x j2re[tab]  ; mv jre[tab]  /usr/lib/ ; ln -s /path/to/java/plugin /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins' is one command too...
[06:41] <randabis-wireles> poof, you might take a performance hit unless you just have a really crappy nvidia card
[06:41] <poof> I hear next week ther is a Ubuntu package going to be released for ATI
[06:41] <linux_mafia> trey3, heh
[06:41] <IRCsloth> yeah, only for controlling the player, music transfer isn't supported. :-(
[06:41] <trey3> poof: actually later this week apparently...
[06:41] <poof> Nice :)
[06:41] <tritium> crappy new iriver.com website sucks
[06:41] <IRCsloth> I called sony about it and wrote them an e-mail... hopefully enough people will do it to push them to support it
[06:42] <BockBilbo> trey3, will that package support 3d accelearation in ati cards?
[06:42] <poof> hope i can use it with hoary, the ATI card is for dual head system... this Nvidia card is makeing me closterpjobic on 1 monitor :)
[06:42] <HappyFool> __learner__: then there is an error. try running the update again
[06:42] <poof> i am used to haveing deskto 2560X1024 this 1280X1024 is way too small :)
[06:43] <IRCsloth> :-)
[06:43] <Vaportrail> is there a way to slow down the mouse in x (not gnome)? my mouse runs very fast, TOO FAST; in 3D Games
[06:43] <tritium> poof, your nVidia doesn't support Twinview?
[06:43] <IRCsloth> my laptop has 1902x1200
[06:43] <randabis-wireles> sensitivity maybe?
[06:43] <HostingGeek> i say PPRacer is a must in hoary
[06:43] <Vaportrail> yes, but how?
[06:43] <kebac> my mouse runs too slow
[06:43] <HostingGeek> http://projects.planetpenguin.de/index.php
[06:43] <kebac> KDE
[06:43] <poof> yea, the Nvidia card only has 1 out
[06:43] <BockBilbo> well
[06:43] <HostingGeek> as tuxracer went closed source
[06:43] <BockBilbo> it was nice talking to you
[06:44] <poof> both my ATI cards had dual head
[06:44] <BockBilbo> gotta go
[06:44] <Vaportrail> to slow is no prob: but to fast is
[06:44] <gsuveg> i have a gimp source with debian dir. how can i build .deb from it ?
[06:44] <BockBilbo> gotta go
[06:44] <HostingGeek> this project has improved the current free GPL open source tux raver A LOT
[06:44] <__learner__> same thiong. that package is not showing.
[06:44] <BockBilbo> bye!
[06:45] <poof> bye
[06:45] <xiximkopp> do you have framebuffer in hoary??
[06:45] <poof> 0o
[06:47] <HappyFool> __learner__: go to a terminal and type 'apt-cache search ptbr$'
[06:47] <xiximkopp> does anybody in here have framebuffer in ubuntu hoary?
[06:49] <poof> OMG i got Hijacked in linux! in my user/bin folder there is a file named Enlarge_your_manhood.txt 0o...  I thought i was safe in linux...
[06:50] <__learner__> HappyFool: I did it, there's only "mozilla-locale-ptbr" there, but I think it is not for firefox.
[06:50] <zido> sure, you downloaded that yourself
[06:50] <poof> actualy I recently had to get a reduction so I could fit through doorways.
[06:51] <HappyFool> __learner__: doh! sorry. that was the one i was seeing.
[06:52] <gsuveg> whats the name of debian build env?
[06:52] <poof> sid?
[06:52] <poof> sid,sarge,woody
[06:52] <__learner__> how can I install the package I downloaded?
[06:52] <tritium> hmm, there are broken symolic links in my /usr/bin (ckeygen, conch, tkconch)
[06:52] <xiximkopp> does hoary use vesafb-tng or the old one? i have a vesafb module, so i think it is tng one...
[06:53] <HappyFool> __learner__: hmm. not sure. take a look at 'man dpkg'
[06:53] <tritium> __learner__, dpkg -i package.deb
[06:54] <__learner__> tx
[06:55] <__learner__> hey people, is there a X config tool called dexconf? or something like that?
[06:56] <__learner__> tx
[06:56] <xiximkopp> __learner__, manpage says:  dexconf  -  generate  XFree86  X server configuration file from debconf data
[06:56] <__learner__> tx a lot it worked!
[06:56] <tritium> good deal
[06:58] <__learner__> My friend has it's keyboard not working properly, what is the easiest way to make it work again? in your opinion. (I mean reconfiguring it)
[06:58] <Vaportrail> may anybody tell me how I start Enemy Territory using ALSA?
[06:58] <mini-> hello there...
[06:58] <kent> is it a known fact that the update-notifyer has problems to install on Hoary? it complains about some upgrade-notifyer file :( looks like a typo with some name..
[06:59] <mini-> i need some help.. i can't set up a internet connection on my computer with ubuntu.
[06:59] <seb128> kent: dpkg -P upgrade-notifier
[06:59] <seb128> kent: the package has been rename to update
[06:59] <xiximkopp> mini-, what's your problem?
[07:00] <mini-> i don't know how to set it up.. :)
[07:00] <mini-> im a newbie
[07:00] <mini-> to linux.
[07:00] <xiximkopp> mini-, what kind of connection do you have?
[07:01] <mini-> adsl...
[07:01] <mini-> broadband with username and password
[07:01] <kent> seb128, i know about the namechange, but when i tried to install the new package, it removed the old upgrade-* but complained about the lack of a file with upgrade* in the name. I got an error and could not install it. and saw that there was a simular problem in the user mailinglist
[07:01] <xiximkopp> mini-, type pppoeconf in a console
[07:02] <jglete> I have a problem with booting.
[07:02] <mini-> terminal?
[07:02] <xiximkopp> mini-, then you will be asked username + password
[07:02] <xiximkopp> mini-, yes
[07:02] <seb128> kent: what error exactly ?
[07:03] <kent> seb128,   (not sure if this is to much to poste)  touch: kan inte berra "/var/lib/upgrade-notifier/dpkg-run-stamp": Filen eller katalogen finns inte
[07:03] <kent> E: Problem executing scripts DPkg::Post-Invoke 'touch /var/lib/upgrade-notifier/dpkg-run-stamp': Sub-process returned an error code
[07:03] <mini-> is that all xiximkopp?
[07:04] <xiximkopp> mini-, should be
[07:04] <mini-> ok thanks
[07:04] <kent> seb128,  its translated to swedish. it says "cant touch" and "the file or directory does not exist"
[07:04] <jglete> The GRUB only reach to "GRUB loading, please wait...". I have 11 computers very similar: the fact is that the 6 ones with Seagate harddrives work without problems, but the 5 ones with Maxtor drives, don't.
[07:04] <daniela> _learner_: voltei
[07:04] <seb128> kent: so dpkg -P upgrade-notifier
[07:05] <xiximkopp> jglete, try to make a boot partition at first place on your hd
[07:05] <xiximkopp> jglete, some bioses/drives cant handle lba well...
[07:05] <kent> seb128, i did that now. and it seems to work. not sure, but it was probably me who did something wrong. But an upgrade made it that way, so perhaps the upgrade did not remove the old package correctly or something?
[07:08] <daniela> my keyboard is not working well...after updating to hoary.....what i do
[07:09] <__learner__> can you help daniela please.
[07:09] <__learner__> sheis got trouble with keyboard layout.
[07:09] <xiximkopp> daniela, did you configure it in xorg.conf?
[07:09] <mini> it worked >D
[07:10] <mini> :D
[07:10] <daniela> no =P
[07:10] <daniela> how i do that
[07:10] <mini> ok.. how do i change the keyboard setting?
[07:10] <xiximkopp> type this in a term: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:10] <mini> i want it in norwegian!
[07:10] <daniela> what is nano)
[07:11] <seb128> kent: you use a devel branch, bugs happen
[07:11] <tritium> daniela, it's like pico
[07:11] <daniela> ok
[07:11] <seb128> kent: the problem is known, a bug is open, please be patient
[07:11] <dhamilto> nano - excellent little text editor
[07:11] <xiximkopp> daniela, it is a text editor
[07:11] <daniela> ok..i will do on vim
[07:11] <xiximkopp> ok
[07:11] <mini> anyone know how to do it_
[07:12] <mini> ?
[07:12] <kent> seb128, im aware of the problems.  please dont think in complaining about it, :(
[07:12] <xiximkopp> then edit the option "XkbLayout" to your language
[07:12] <daniela> lol.....this dont exist
[07:12] <jglete> xiximkopp, thanks for your advice. Do you think it's possible to force LBA? I've tried setup --force-lba (hd0) but it seems it doesn't help.
[07:12] <seb128> kent: so what do you want ? there is already a bug in bugzilla and people are working on it
[07:13] <daniela> xiximkopp: this /etc/X11/xorg.conf dont exist
[07:13] <mini> can anyone help me?
[07:13] <xiximkopp> jglete, maybe it works... but the only way i can boot is when my boot partition is the first one... i doesnt have to be big... about 50-100MB
[07:14] <kent> seb128, well.. from the beginning i just asked if it was a known fact, nothing more. and we shall leave it now,  i should not bother you any more :)
[07:14] <xiximkopp> daniela, do you have xfree86 or x.org?
[07:14] <daniela> sfree86
[07:14] <daniela> x*
 I only know how to do it in KDE but under the control pannel ther is a regonal setting... I bet there is simular thing in GNOME but I am new...
[07:15] <xiximkopp> daniela, you said that you use hoary...
[07:15] <xiximkopp> daniela, ok then edit your xfree86 config
[07:15] <seb128> kent: no problem, don't worry. The bug is known if that's the question :)
[07:16] <HostingGeek> OMG
[07:16] <HostingGeek> what is that nousy
[07:16] <HostingGeek> it sounds like a plane but a bit diffrent
[07:16] <mini> and yes another thing..my other hdd is installed and the driver is working but i cant accses it..
[07:16] <daniela> where it is
[07:17] <daniela> xiximkopp: where i find it
[07:17] <jcspray> mini: computer->desktop preferences->keyboard.
[07:17] <xiximkopp> in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[07:17] <daniela> i will try
[07:17] <xiximkopp> good luck
[07:17] <mini> jcspray, thanks mate :)
[07:17] <daniela> tx
[07:17] <daniela> =P
[07:18] <tolstoy-> just updated hoary and can't start X because it can't find the xtt module (nvidia).  Any pointers?
[07:18] <xiximkopp> tolstoy-, did you also update your kernel?
[07:19] <mini> and yes another thing..my other hdd is installed and the driver is working but i cant accses it..
[07:19] <jcspray> mini: what's the deal with this hard disk?  What kind of filesystems?
[07:19] <tolstoy-> xiximkopp: not sure.
[07:19] <mini> the same as the other i have..
[07:19] <tolstoy-> xiximkopp: when I run dpkg, the package names are so long, I can't see if I have the appropriate nvidia deb.
[07:19] <mini> not fat32 but ntsc or something..
[07:19] <tolstoy-> xiximkopp: is that the prob, though, do you think?
[07:20] <__learner__> is there any way to use grub splash screens in ubuntu?
[07:20] <xiximkopp> tolstoy-, make sure you have the nvidia packages and the kernel-restricted modules
[07:20] <bob2> tolstoy-: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l
[07:20] <tolstoy-> bob2: a hah!
[07:20] <tritium> tolstoy-, export COLUMNS=132
[07:21] <xiximkopp> tolstoy-, or change the driver to nv as glx doesnt work at the moment
[07:21] <mini> jcspray,  it found the hdd when i was chosing which one i would use to install ubuntu
[07:21] <tolstoy-> xiximkopp: that might be an option.
[07:21] <tolstoy-> man, this 80 column stuff is impossible anymore.
[07:21] <jcspray> mini: have a look at the file "/etc/fstab": see if it contains an entry corresponding to /dev/hdb or so.
[07:22] <xiximkopp> tolstoy-, also make sure you have everything from xorg...
[07:22] <_Stefan_> hi
[07:22] <tolstoy-> xiximkopp: well, so apt-get doesn't do that for me?  "nv" doesn't work either.    Look along the line.
[07:30] <mini> yes
[07:30] <tolstoy-> xiximkopp: failed to initialize the nvidia kernel module, no screens found.
[07:30] <_Stefan_> i have the windows and the linux partition in the same hdd
[07:30] <tolstoy-> xiximkopp: which package contains that module?
[07:31] <tolstoy-> xiximkopp: linux-restricted-modules, maybe.
[07:31] <xiximkopp> tolstoy-, the nvidia module is in linux-restricted-modules
[07:31] <tritium> _Stefan_, take a loot at /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:31] <xiximkopp> tolstoy-, yes
[07:31] <jcspray> mini: do a "ld /dev/hd*" in a terminal: look for entries with a number on the end that don't begin hda
[07:32] <_Stefan_> ok
[07:32] <kweller> does anybody know if enabling alsa software mixing causes instability? i'm getting random freezeups, since i enabled it.
[07:32] <xiximkopp> tolstoy-, try something like modinfo nvidia or modprobe nvidia
[07:32] <tritium> make sure it has what you pasted up above
[07:32] <poningru> hey guys just finished installing everything yesterday
[07:32] <xiximkopp> to make sure it is installed
[07:32] <poningru> wanted to know how to set up a firewall
[07:32] <_Stefan_> it does
[07:32] <bob2> poningru: you don't need a firewall on the default install
[07:32] <tolstoy-> xiximkopp: module nvidia not found.  okay, checking to see if the right version of the restricted packages is installed.
[07:32] <poningru> ?
[07:33] <tritium> _Stefan_, was this something the installer system added, or did you add those lines yourself?
[07:33] <_Stefan_> no, the system installer
[07:33] <poningru> why not? what about virus scanner?
[07:33] <tritium> What does update-grub output?
[07:33] <mini> jcspray,  that command doesn't work..
[07:33] <bob2> poningru: what would a firewall do?
[07:33] <tolstoy-> xiximkopp: I've kernel 2.6.10-4, but the most recent "restricted" is 2.6.10-3.  Is that the prob?
[07:33] <xiximkopp> tolstoy-, that would be the best... you could also try to boot into another kernel
[07:33] <poningru> not allow access to hackers, control outgoing programs
[07:34] <bob2> poningru: if you keep up to date with security fixes and don't run programs people send you, you have very very very little to fear from viruses
[07:34] <bob2> poningru: firewalls on linux don't control outgoing programs like that
[07:34] <poningru> hmm
[07:34] <_Stefan_> Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub .
[07:34] <_Stefan_> Testing for an existing GRUB menu.list file... found: /boot/grub/menu.lst .
[07:34] <_Stefan_> Searching for splash image... none found, skipping...
[07:34] <_Stefan_> Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386
[07:34] <_Stefan_> Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done
[07:34] <poningru> anywhere I can read up on this stuff?
[07:34] <xiximkopp> tolstoy-, i'm not sure... i also updated but didnt restart...
[07:34] <jcspray> mini: ach, I meant ls not ld.
[07:34] <poningru> and stop bugging you
[07:34] <mini> jcspray,  :)
[07:35] <_Stefan_> reboot?
[07:35] <sap> bob2: i got acpi working (better, not perfect) on my x31 using the pmtesting setup given on the wiki.
[07:35] <tritium> _Stefan_, it didn't find a Windows entry.
[07:35] <bob2> sap: ah, cool
[07:35] <sap> bob2: I'm not sure what's so special about the kernel though
[07:35] <tolstoy-> xiximkopp: then you better beware!  Trying the "boot the old kernel".
[07:35] <sap> bob2: do you?
[07:36] <bob2> sap: it's mainly just swsusp fixes, really
[07:36] <xiximkopp> tolstoy-, good luck
[07:36] <__learner__> does anyone here know of a way to make 5button 2wheel mouse work properly on ubuntu/XFree
[07:36] <exe||> the jewel case?
[07:36] <bob2> er, not fixes, actually adding the thing
[07:36] <bob2> exe||: try emailing<EMAIL_ADDRESS>for help
[07:36] <exe||> that is what I want to assemble
[07:36] <mini> jcspray,"ls /dev/hd*"?
[07:36] <sap> bob2: would it be easy to build my own using 2.6.10?
[07:36] <tritium> _Stefan_, is the Windows boot stanza uncommented (no # at the beginning of the line?)
[07:36] <jcspray> mini: yes.
[07:36] <bob2> sap: hoary's 2.6.10 kernels have it enabled already
[07:36] <LinuxNIT> anyone know where to get printer drivers for a lexmark x63 and a HP laserjet 2300d for ubuntu?
[07:36] <exe||> bob2 did you assemble it?
[07:36] <mini> doesn't work in terminal..
[07:36] <bob2> seems to work ok except ipw2100 goes insane afterwards
[07:37] <jcspray> mini: so what's the error message?
[07:37] <_Stefan_> no
[07:37] <tolstoy-> xiximkopp: odd they'd release an updated kernel, but not update the modules.  Maybe not enough ubuntu-ites use nvidia?
[07:37] <bob2> exe||: someone ate my cds
[07:37] <tolstoy-> hm. 2.6.10-4 wasn't an option. using 2.6.10-1.
[07:37] <mini> no such file or directory.
[07:37] <sap> bob2: is the a way to get that on warty ... I'm not sure I want to change to hoary yet?
[07:37] <xiximkopp> tolstoy-, i dont think so, the restricted-modules come often later...
[07:37] <jcspray> mini: did you leave the quotes in?  You weren't supposed to type those.
[07:37] <tolstoy-> and pciep.ko can't be inserted.  weird.
[07:37] <bob2> tolstoy-: ignore it, known bug
[07:38] <bob2> well, "issue"
[07:38] <mini> jcspray,  ohh..
[07:38] <xiximkopp> tolstoy-, i'm already used to boot the old one...
[07:38] <tolstoy-> bob2: yeah, it hasn't caused any probs that I know of. ;)
[07:38] <mini> jcspray,  okay that worked..
[07:38] <xiximkopp> tolstoy-, run depmod, then you wont see this message
[07:38] <tritium> tolstoy-, you can add pciehp to /etc/hotplug/blacklist so you don't get that error
[07:39] <tolstoy-> tritium: will it eventually be fixed?
[07:39] <kotau> Hurrah!  My MX510 is functional again!
[07:39] <tolstoy-> depmod run. ;)
[07:39] <jcspray> mini: so what do you see other than the hda entries?
[07:39] <mini> jcspray... /dev/hda  /dev/hda1  /dev/hda2  /dev/hda5  /dev/hdb  /dev/hdb1  /dev/hdd
[07:39] <tritium> LinuxNIT, I've got my 2300DTN installed just fine.  The driver was part of one of the foomatic packages, which should be instaleld on your system.
[07:40] <LinuxNIT> ok  well its my dads computer but he said it didnt have it?
[07:40] <bob2> sap: should be able to install http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.10/linux-image-2.6.10-1-686_2.6.10-4_i386.deb on warty ok
[07:40] <tritium> tritium, yeah.  hat issue is so common, it's documented on either the wiki or ubuntuguide.org, or somewhere
[07:40] <LinuxNIT> ill check it out myself this week
[07:40] <jcspray> mini: alright, so it looks like /dev/hdb1 is your window drive.  Open a root terminal, and do "mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt".
[07:41] <sap> bob2: wicked, thanks!
[07:41] <xiximkopp> tolstoy-, i'm sorry but i have to go now.. good luck
[07:41] <rjek> OK.  I've had it.  How do I stop Ubuntu/Gnome/whatever from locking my CD-ROM drive's tray when I load an audio disc?
[07:41] <tolstoy-> xiximkopp: thanks!
[07:41] <xiximkopp> bye
[07:43] <mini> jcspray, ok done that.. came an error msg that i didn't have the premission to view the mnt..
[07:44] <kotau> I need to run two commands at ubuntu startup, both to enable my mouse.  When I used slack I added it to .xinitrc, but now with the graphical login I'm not sure if it will work the same.  What is the init file for GDM called so I may edit it?
[07:44] <mini> jcspray,  but it got mounted..
[07:44] <tritium> LinuxNIT, yeah, it's in foomatic-filters-ppds
[07:44] <exe||> cOOL
[07:44] <exe||> my mom assembled the box
[07:44] <exe||> excited
[07:45] <kotau> exetid
[07:45] <jcspray> mini: what if you do a "ls /mnt" from your root terminal?
[07:45] <HappyFool> i still have no clue what box he was talking about
[07:46] <jcspray> cardboard box for displaying the pressed ubuntu cds.
[07:46] <LinuxNIT> ok thanks
[07:46] <tritium> sure
[07:46] <mini> jcspray,  yes now the directories from my other hdd is showing :)
[07:47] <tritium> _Stefan_, so what's the word?
[07:48] <_Stefan_> wait a sec, im rebooting
[07:48] <tritium> ok
[07:48] <jcspray> mini:  cool.  Now we're going to make a directory and entry in /etc/fstab to mount it permanently.  In your root terminal, do "mkdir /media/win" and then "gedit /etc/fstab".
[07:48] <mini> jcspray,  what do i do now?
[07:49] <mini> jcspray,  you got skillz :D
[07:49] <jcspray> mini: look at the second post on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1886&page=1&pp=10 where he's got /dev/hda1 and /mnt/win, you want /dev/hdb1 and /media/win
[07:51] <mini> ok i did what you told me.. now what?
[07:52] <LiMpKiN> hellow
[07:52] <LiMpKiN> I have a problem
[07:52] <LiMpKiN> can someone help me?
[07:52] <bob2> best to just ask
[07:52] <jcspray> mini: save /etc/fstab, then do a "umount /mnt" to unmount it, and then do a "mount /media/win" to mount it as we just set it up.
[07:52] <kotau> maybe spit it out
[07:52] <neilgaiman> hi, I installed ubuntu 3 days ago in my new notebook, I've a usrobotics 8500 adsl modem, someone can say me what I can do? thank's
[07:53] <LiMpKiN> root@limpkin:/home/mat/libio-socket-ssl-perl-0.96.orig # --- **
[07:53] <jcspray> mini: if all goes well, you should be able to navigate to /media/win from the filesystem part of the "Disks" window.
[07:53] <LiMpKiN> root@limpkin:/home/mat/libio-socket-ssl-perl-0.96.orig # perl Makefile.PL
[07:53] <LiMpKiN> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[07:53] <LiMpKiN> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[07:53] <LiMpKiN>         LANGUAGE = "fr_FR:fr:en_GB:en",
[07:53] <LiMpKiN>         LC_ALL = (unset),
[07:53] <LiMpKiN>         LANG = "fr"
[07:53] <LiMpKiN>     are supported and installed on your system.
[07:53] <LiMpKiN> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
[07:53] <LiMpKiN> Writing Makefile for IO::Socket::SSL
[07:53] <LiMpKiN> that is my problem
[07:53] <kotau> neilgaiman:  Well Neil, I'd say you'd need to make more graphic novels.  Use the Gimp
[07:53] <no0tic> a good audio files editor?
[07:53] <bob2> LiMpKiN: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[07:53] <bob2> and generate it
[07:54] <LiMpKiN> how?
[07:54] <LiMpKiN> i am a novice
[07:54] <LiMpKiN> can u tell me what to write?
[07:54] <bob2> just run that command
[07:54] <kotau> limpkin he did
[07:54] <bob2> 04:53:53           bob2 | LiMpKiN: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[07:54] <poof>  sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[07:54] <poof> that part :)
[07:55] <LiMpKiN> ah, yes but, for exemple, if i want to change language
[07:55] <LiMpKiN> what do i habe to type,
[07:55] <LiMpKiN> have*
[07:55] <kotau> I need to run imwheel at startup.  Is .xinitrc the thing to edit if I installed vanilla warty?
[07:56] <bob2> kotau: er, are you sure you need to run it?
[07:56] <mini> jcspray, the directory is empty
[07:56] <_Stefan_> hey tritium
[07:56] <kotau> bob2; yes I had to hack my mx510 to get thumb button functionality.
[07:56] <jcspray> mini: was there an error when you did "mount /media/win"?
[07:56] <_Stefan_> doesnt works
[07:57] <mini> jcspray,  yes
[07:57] <jcspray> mini: I'm not going to magically know what it was.
[07:57] <mini> no such file or directory
[07:58] <jcspray> mini: what does "ls /media" say?
[07:58] <mini> jcspray, cdrom  cdrom0  floppy  floppy0  win
[07:59] <LiMpKiN> it is dpkg - what?
[07:59] <jcspray> mini: paste the line that you added to fstab here.
[07:59] <kotau> bob2: basically since there is no logitech driver for the mx510 series I couldnt get thumb buttons to be back and forward while browsing, plus I'd like the ability to remap it.  I followed this guide that I found to be helpful http://www.glaurung.demon.co.uk/info/linux.mx500.howto.html
[07:59] <poof> when i hit Cuntrol-alt-backspace to change windoes manages will it kill the old window manager, os is that still running somewhare? TIA
[07:59] <mini> jcspray,  can't find it..
[08:00] <jcspray> mini: "gedit /etc/fstab"
[08:00] <bob2> kotau: ~/.xsession and choose 'default session' or something from gdm
[08:00] <LiMpKiN> please
[08:00] <bob2> poof: no, ctrl-alt-backspace kills X
[08:00] <jcspray> poof: it'll kill the whole X server, so yes the window manager will be dead.
[08:00] <bob2> LiMpKiN: dude, I told you the exact command.  scroll up.
[08:00] <poof> cool, all the running applications too ? :)
[08:00] <poof> that is nice :)
[08:00] <mini> jcspray,  0k now it opened another window
[08:00] <jcspray> poof: anything that was started in X.
[08:00] <poof> Sweet that Rocks
[08:00] <poof> Thanks
[08:01] <jcspray> mini: yes, you started gedit and opened /etc/fstab with that command.  Now show me the line that you added.
[08:01] <tritium> _Stefan_, yeah?
[08:01] <mini> jcspray, While connecting to session manager:
[08:01] <mini> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[08:01] <tritium> Well, what did you change or do before you rebooted?
[08:01] <mini> jcspray,  and the ect/stab - gedit is empty
[08:02] <_Stefan_> updated grub
[08:03] <tritium> _Stefan_, something is wrong with your /boot/grub/menu.lst, since update-grub ouptut indicates that it doens't find the Windows boot stanza
[08:03] <tritium> doesn't
[08:03] <_Stefan_> this is my menu.lst for the windows partition
[08:03] <_Stefan_> title		Windows NT/2000/XP
[08:03] <_Stefan_> root		(hd0,0)
[08:03] <_Stefan_> savedefault
[08:03] <_Stefan_> makeactive
[08:03] <_Stefan_> chainloader	+1
[08:04] <jcspray> mini: so when I gave you that URL and told you to edit your fstab, you basically just didn't do that.  Not making life easy here.
[08:04] <mini> jcspray,  :)
[08:04] <mini> ok
[08:04] <jcspray> Fine, so we're going to use nano instead of gedit.  Do "nano /etc/fstab" and create a line similar to the one in the post that I linked to above.
[08:04] <tritium> _Stefan_, I know, but read my comment above
[08:06] <broodster> my azuereus wont load up =[
[08:06] <carajean> anybody know of any programs that i can run a couple visual basic programs on for class
[08:06] <carajean> ?
[08:06] <_Stefan_> dont know what to do...
[08:06] <mini> jcspray,  i wrote the command but i can't save it..
[08:07] <bob2> carajean: you want to run a VB program on linux?
[08:07] <jcspray> mini: ctrl+O
[08:07] <broodster> is that even possible?
[08:07] <bob2> not without wine
[08:07] <jcspray> or whatever it says at the bottom of the nano screen.
[08:08] <mini> jcspray, that is open file?
[08:08] <carajean> umm yes sort of i have to create VB progs for class and i need a prog to test them in but i dotn have a win machine
[08:08] <carajean> and i do have wine
[08:08] <bob2> I doubt it will run in wine
[08:08] <bob2> but it's worth a try
[08:08] <xukun> can somebody please help, I,m trying to install the nvidia drivers from nvidia.com, but I get errors all the time, this is one of errors in /var/log/nvidia-installer.log: -> Kernel module compilation complete.
[08:08] <xukun> ERROR: Unable to load the kernel module 'nvidia.ko'.  This is most likely
[08:08] <xukun>        because the kernel module was built using the wrong kernel source files.
[08:08] <xukun>        Please make sure you have installed the kernel source
[08:08] <HappyFool> you'll still need visual basic (ie visual studio), won't you?
[08:08] <bob2> yes
[08:08] <carajean> yup
[08:08] <jcspray> mini: on my nano, it says "^O WriteOut".  That saves.  Maybe the bokmal translation is different, I don't know.
[08:09] <bob2> xukun: try #nvidia if you're going to use ones from outside ubuntu
[08:09] <carajean> is there a program like this for linux
[08:09] <bob2> carajean: not one that is compatible
[08:10] <HappyFool> maybe ask your teacher if you can use python instead ;). (if only)
[08:10] <mini> jcspray, ok.. if i try to save is sayd Could not save the file "/ect/fstab".
[08:10] <HappyFool> /etc/fstab
[08:10] <jcspray> was this in a root terminal?
[08:11] <LiMpKiN> root@limpkin:/home/mat/libio-socket-ssl-perl-0.96.orig # dpkg -reconfigure LANGUAGE = "fr_FR:fr:en_GB:en"
[08:11] <LiMpKiN> dpkg: conflicting actions --control and --remove
[08:11] <LiMpKiN> Type dpkg --help for help about installing and deinstalling packages [*] ;
[08:11] <LiMpKiN> Use dselect for user-friendly package management;
[08:11] <LiMpKiN> Type dpkg -Dhelp for a list of dpkg debug flag values;
[08:11] <LiMpKiN> Type dpkg --force-help for a list of forcing options;
[08:12] <LiMpKiN> Type dpkg-deb --help for help about manipulating *.deb files;
[08:12] <LiMpKiN> Type dpkg --licence for copyright licence and lack of warranty (GNU GPL) [*] .
[08:12] <LiMpKiN> Options marked [*]  produce a lot of output - pipe it through `less' or `more' !
[08:12] <LiMpKiN> root@limpkin:/home/mat/libio-socket-ssl-perl-0.96.orig #
[08:12] <tritium> xukun, better to use the ubuntu nvidia modules
[08:12] <LiMpKiN> i did what you tell me what to do
[08:12] <bob2> pease don't do that
[08:12] <bob2> no
[08:12] <bob2> that's not what anyone told you to do
[08:12] <LiMpKiN> ? scuse me
[08:13] <carajean> HappyFool what is python and where can i get it?
[08:13] <bob2> 04:54:32           bob2 | 04:53:53           bob2 | LiMpKiN: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[08:13] <bob2> carajean: he/she was joking
[08:13] <HappyFool> carajean: err, sorry, that was light-hearted.
[08:13] <bob2> carajean: python is another programming language
[08:13] <LiMpKiN> i did, i had an error too
[08:13] <HappyFool> (which is *much* better than VB :P)
[08:13] <xukun> bob2, I will, thanks, but the reason I,m installing the driver is becouse my GeForce4 440 Go have I a problem using the 6629 version of the nvidia drivers, that is what installs after sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx, there 6111 version works fine for this card, but I cant install this version if I do the ubuntu way which I realy like
[08:13] <bob2> LiMpKiN: well, paste that to #flood
[08:14] <xukun> tritium, see that too please
[08:14] <carajean> oohhh lol
[08:15] <tritium> xukun, I have the GeForce4 400 Go myslelf, and I'm only using ubuntu packages
[08:15] <mini> jcspray,  giving up on me?
[08:15] <zAo^> is this normal?
[08:15] <zAo^> none                  5.0M  796K  4.3M  16% /dev
[08:15] <bob2> yes
[08:16] <zAo^> I want to paste another, but Xchat doesnt :)
[08:16] <bob2> that's good
[08:16] <crimsun> hehe
[08:16] <zAo^> ../dev                  6.9G  3.8G  2.8G  59% /.dev
[08:16] <bob2> ignore that
[08:16] <zAo^> first dots are mine :)
[08:17] <xukun> tritium, if I install that version my desktop brakes in to two parts, I had this also with debian too before, but after I installed the 6111 version that worked for me, and that is what I,m trying to do now
[08:17] <tritium> xukun, that's bizarre
[08:18] <jcspray> mini: I said, was this in a root terminal?
[08:18] <jcspray> mini: and almost, yes.
[08:18] <xukun> tritium, its like a have two desktop with yellow/green lines at the right side of the monitor, ooh and I,m using a laptop
[08:18] <xukun> maybe that is way
[08:18] <xukun> why
[08:18] <tritium> xukun, I don't know, then.
[08:19] <tritium> Does RMS want to rename it to gnubuntu?
[08:20] <xukun> tritium, thanks anyway, bob2 you too
[08:20] <mini> jcspray,  i did it both places..
[08:20] <tritium> xukun, no problem, and sorry
[08:20] <asynic> hrmm, what's the root password after installation?
[08:21] <poof> sudo
[08:21] <kotau> asynic; there is none
[08:21] <xukun> bob2, can you atleast tell me if I,m using the right kernel-sources so the nvidia drivers will compile too, I,m also a bit confuse about that?
[08:21] <poof> no root password
[08:21] <will_> asynic: no root by default,
[08:21] <poof> use sudo and fakeroot
[08:21] <will_> use SUDO
[08:21] <jcspray> mini: in the root terminal, "nano /etc/fstab".    I have some weird cursor in the middle of my screen - looks like the default X cursor
[08:24] <bob2> asynic: and another one moving around the screen?
[08:24] <will_> asynic: you can do sudo /bin/bash to access a root terminal
[08:24] <asynic> bob2, yes
[08:24] <dataw0lf> asynic: whaddya doing?
[08:24] <bob2> you need to disable HWCursor
[08:24] <bob2> your chipset/X driver is buggy
[08:25] <xukun> bob2, uname -a gives me  2.6.10-1-386, so sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.10-1-386 will do or do I have to install linux-headers-2.6.10-1-686?
[08:25] <asynic> dataw0lf, just got my new laptop.  don't tell xilch or I'll have to go to work :P
[08:25] <bob2> xukun: it has to exactly match the output of uname -r
[08:25] <bob2> so, the former
[08:25] <xukun> bob2, ok thanks a lot
[08:25] <__learner__> what is best xine totem or xine gstreamer?
[08:26] <bob2> xine will play more formats
[08:26] <bob2> but will uninstall ubuntu-desktop
[08:26] <bob2> probably easiest to use gxine
[08:26] <bur[n] er> anyone have a .deb package of 'coaster' ?
[08:26] <__learner__> gxine, tx.
[08:27] <jcspray> mini: I'm busy now.  Ask someone else "I want to edit fstab to mount /dev/hdb1 as ntfs"
[08:27] <asynic> bob2, hrmm, that's in my XF86Config-4 ?  I don't see HWCursor
[08:27] <mini> jcspray, ok thanks for the help :=
[08:27] <mini> :)
[08:27] <bob2> asynic: yeah, you need to add it manually
[08:27] <mini> I need some help here!! "I want to edit fstab to mount /dev/hdb1 as ntfs"
[08:28] <HappyFool> heh
[08:28] <mini> but it would save.
[08:28] <_Stefan_> hi
[08:28] <_Stefan_> i need some help
[08:28] <mini> wouln't save*
[08:28] <poof> I cant seem to see enlightnment when I reboot :/ is there some way to view Enlightenment when in session menu at login?
[08:28] <_Stefan_> i installed ubuntu, but i cant boot windows xp
[08:28] <HappyFool> mini: sudo nano /etc/fstab
[08:28] <bur[n] er> mini: do it as root
[08:28] <bob2> asynic: ala http://dynevor.hopto.org/linuxiste/XF86Config-4
[08:28] <bob2> poof: just run it out of ~/.xsession
[08:28] <bur[n] er> _Stefan_: is it in the boot menu?
[08:28] <_Stefan_> yes
[08:29] <_Stefan_> when i select it, it doesnt boots
[08:29] <poof> Ok I try, thanks bob :)
[08:29] <mini> ok done that.. now what?