[00:07] <cjohnston> josharenson: I am.. any chance we can chat tomorrow?
[00:11] <josharenson> cjohnston, sure im GMT-8
[00:14] <cjohnston> josharenson: im east coast. just ping me when you come around
[00:16] <josharenson> cjohnston: thanks
[04:09] <Mirv> morning
[07:04] <vila> retoaded: nagios alert on <IP_ADDRESS> which is not referenced on https://wiki.canonical.com/UbuntuEngineering/CI/Lab (so I have no idea what this host is about), I won't worry about it but may be you will ?
[07:24] <vila> retoaded: hmm, could  <IP_ADDRESS> be one of the VMs for s-jenkins ? It seems a lot of jobs are pending there and all VMs are offline. That seems related to your latest email about the wraith fallouts for naartjie
[08:19] <Mirv> I wonder if anyone has opinion on possible downsides of disabling -Bsymbolic on armhf (or actually any non-x86)? bug #1304709
[08:20] <Mirv> upstream has made the change in 5.3.0 anyhow
[08:23] <Mirv> oh, now looking at the bug report it reminds me seeing cjwatson & co discussing it earlier. so I wonder if mandel's bug could be workarounded with the dee-qt's "-pie -fPIE" too.
[08:23] <Mirv> (the upstream bug report https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-36129)
[08:24] <cjwatson> Disabling -Bsymbolic on armhf has potential significant performance effects for process startup, so I think we should try to avoid it if we can
[08:25] <cjwatson> Or rather -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions, I guess you mean
[08:26] <Mirv> "-Bsymbolic*", the patch bypasses a test that would add them. well in that case I think we'll need a bug to remind us to patch that change _out_ of 5.3.0 when the time comes.
[08:27] <cjwatson> Perhaps worth verifying my intuition about what effect it actually has
[08:28] <cjwatson> But Qt seems like exactly the sort of hot spot that -Bsymbolic-functions is best at
[08:32] <didrocks> sil2100: davmor2: popey: coming?
[08:32] <sil2100> Yes, logging in
[08:32] <didrocks> psivaa: you as well?
[08:33] <psivaa> didrocks: sorry could you give me the link pls?
[08:33] <didrocks> sure
[08:33] <didrocks> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/landing-meeting
[08:33] <Mirv> err what happened to my hangout
[08:33] <psivaa> didrocks: thanks
[08:40] <Mirv> so I marked the four in queue packages as tobechecked
[08:43] <sil2100> Aaargh, mail ;/
[08:43] <sil2100> Curse you mailman!
[08:43] <sil2100> didrocks: what's the channel with the bot again?
[08:43] <didrocks> sil2100: #ubuntu-ci-choo-choo
[08:43] <sil2100> ...;p
[08:43] <sil2100> :P
[08:44] <didrocks> Mirv: are you sure the QA team is checking? I think they are not anymore
[08:44] <didrocks> Mirv: mind double checking if they check? :)
[08:44] <davmor2> popey: do you have a 5Ghz network?
[08:44] <Mirv> didrocks: I mean "to be checked" by us, the status of those unapproved items
[08:44] <popey> davmor2: dunno, how will i tell? ☻
[08:44] <popey> (I think I do)
[08:44] <sil2100> Mirv: thanks! ;)
[08:45] <Mirv> so for example I SRUfied now bug #1297297 since it's already in proposed. the other three items in UNAPPROVED would need double-checking from the authors if they are ok with them landing to U instead (ask the packages to be rejected) or if they want them SRUed
[08:45] <davmor2> popey: at some point you would of set 2 id's for the network one as popey and one as popey 5g or they clash :D
[08:46] <popey> i have the same essid for 2.4 and 5
[08:46] <davmor2> popey: interesting mine clashed when I did that
[08:46] <popey> further confounded by the fact that I have two access points
[08:46] <popey> both with the same ESSID, so effectively four networks
[08:47] <popey> tempted to change them to popey_2.4 and popey_5g so it's easier to spot
[08:47] <Mirv> dbarth: your webbrowser-app landing had the bugs already SRUfied, thanks! I just nominated the bugs for trusty as well.
[08:47] <didrocks> Mirv: ah ok ;)
[08:47] <davmor2> popey: can you try and connect strictly to the 5g one and see if osm gives you a location
[08:47] <sil2100> Mirv: let's divide work then
[08:47] <Mirv> sil2100: yeah could you then maybe check the bfiller's and boiko's landings?
[08:48] <sil2100> Mirv: I take bfiller's one
[08:48] <sil2100> Ok
[08:48] <popey> davmor2: ok, will take a while, lemme change network names now ☻
[08:57] <sil2100> Mirv, didrocks: so the landings from bfiller and boiko have either no bugs assigned or not SRUed at all - I'll poke the authors and/or landers if they want to proceed with SRUifying them or rejecting and waiting for U
[08:57] <didrocks> sil2100: thanks!
[08:58] <Mirv> sil2100: thanks!
[09:00] <dbarth> Mirv: thank you
[09:01] <dbarth> yes, we did our homework to go into -updates
[09:02] <popey> davmor2: http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2014-04-23-100233.png
[09:02] <popey> ⍨
[09:03] <popey> its confused, rebotting
[09:23] <mandel> cjwatson,  Mirv I did use -pie and fPIE to fix the issue and it worked like a charm
[09:46] <mandel> didrocks, is there a way I can take the training to help with the ci train in my team, that way we have sergio in the American time zone and me in CET
[09:47] <didrocks> mandel: yeah, we extended the list on demand. But we don't offer anymore training for now. You should coordinate with some other landers to get some hint (it's pretty easy). When you are ready, I can then just add you to the team
[09:47] <mandel> didrocks, awesome, I'll speak with sergio then :)
[09:48] <didrocks> great ;)
[09:48] <didrocks> keep me posted!
[09:54] <didrocks> Saviq: seb128: so, the bot CI Train is now in beta ;) you can join #ubuntu-ci-choo-choo if you are interested
[09:55] <didrocks> you can inspect status, and get notification when it makes sense to you
[10:07] <davmor2> popey: sadtrombone.com
[10:11] <Chipaca> can somebody here give me a hand with three bugs I'm wanting to shepherd through SRU?
[10:12] <Chipaca> I'm at “Ask the Ubuntu bug control team to nominate the bug for the appropriate Ubuntu release(s)/series (e. g. the current LTS and latest stable release).”
[10:12] <Chipaca> I'm on that team, but am unsure how to nominate a bug :)
[10:13] <Chipaca> bugs are: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-push/+bug/1297969 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-push/+bug/1309237 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-push/+bug/1309231
[10:16] <NoNameYet_xnox> Chipaca: done
[10:16] <cjwatson> You need to access it through the /ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-push/ hierarchy rather than /ubuntu-push/
[10:17] <cjwatson> Then you get a "Nominate for series" or "Target to series" link, depending on your privilege level
[10:17] <Chipaca> i get "target"
[10:17] <Chipaca> to milestone
[10:17] <Chipaca> og!
[10:17] <cjwatson> Not that
[10:17] <Chipaca> oh! nominate to series
[10:17] <Chipaca> for*
[10:18] <cjwatson> Right
[10:18] <Chipaca> ok :)
[10:18] <Chipaca> hadn't seen that before :D
[10:18] <Chipaca> s/seen/noticed/
[10:18] <Chipaca> anyway. Thank you, NoNameYet_xnox
[10:18] <cjwatson> But you have to be going through the distribution URL namespace
[10:18] <Chipaca> cjohnston: right. Ta.
[10:18] <Chipaca> and now... i ask to have it landed?
[10:18] <Chipaca> given that next step is "put it into proposed"
[10:19] <NoNameYet_xnox> Chipaca: yeap. all three look good to go into -proposed unapproved queue.
[10:19] <Chipaca> now, i've got a row with all of them fixed all together
[10:19] <NoNameYet_xnox> Chipaca: also subscribe "~ubuntu-sru" to all three.
[10:19] <Chipaca> do i need to do three separate rows/builds/etc?
[10:20] <NoNameYet_xnox> Chipaca: it can go as a single build. it's just it will only be promoted to -updates once all three bugs pass verification.
[10:20] <Chipaca> sweet
[10:21] <Chipaca> sil2100, Mirv, didrocks, could i have a landing (into ... "proposed unapproved"? if that's a thing from your pov) of row 24?
[10:22] <Chipaca> NoNameYet_xnox: this is in universe; is it still ubuntu-sru?
[10:23] <NoNameYet_xnox> Chipaca: yes.
[10:23] <NoNameYet_xnox> Chipaca: all processes are the same for the whole archive.
[10:23] <sil2100> Chipaca: we can try pushing it as an SRU if you want
[10:23] <Chipaca> sil2100: that's what I'm aiming for, yes
[10:24] <Chipaca> sil2100: hence the paperwork on the bugs
[10:25] <sil2100> Chipaca: ok, so I see still 2 bugs requiring description SRUification ;)
[10:25] <Chipaca> sil2100: which ones are they?
[10:26]  * Chipaca looks
[10:26] <sil2100> Chipaca: it's https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-push/+bug/1309432 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-push/+bug/1308145 it seems
[10:26] <Chipaca> yep
[10:26] <Chipaca> forgot about those less-than-zomg-urgent ones :)
[10:26] <Chipaca> on it
[10:27] <sil2100> Thanks :) !
[10:29] <sil2100> Chipaca: I already nominated the bugs and subscribed sru team
[10:30] <Chipaca> sil2100: ta
[10:31] <sil2100> Chipaca: there's one change in the changelog that doesn't mention a bug number... could you elaborate a bit about that change? Since I need to assess if it can be pushed alongside an SRU
[10:32] <sil2100> Chipaca: I mean the change for: "gave the client the ability to get config from commandline (...)"
[10:32] <sil2100> From Samuele
[10:32] <Chipaca> sil2100: I was a bit lazy, there
[10:32] <Chipaca> the merge was easier that way
[10:32] <Chipaca> sil2100: where should i elaborate?
[10:33] <Chipaca> (there are better reasons than just my laziness)
[10:33] <sil2100> Ah, hm, since we normally only SRU fixes or small modifications - I see the commit is a bit biggish - is it something that's required by the other fixes?
[10:34] <sil2100> I'm simply worried that the SRU team might find this inappropriate or somethin
[10:34] <sil2100> g
[10:36] <Chipaca> sil2100: you know how in all the SRUs i'm having to edit the config file? that change makes it possible to just add a commandline flag instead
[10:36] <Chipaca> sil2100: testing (especially telling other people to test) becomes a lot easier
[10:36] <Chipaca> that was my rationale for it, anyway
[10:37] <Chipaca> sil2100: when you say the commit is big, you mean for that change, or overall?
[10:37] <sil2100> Chipaca: what's the regression potential of that change?
[10:37] <sil2100> Chipaca: I meant that one change - it's big in the sense of 'big as for something that's not related to a bug being fixed for the SRU'
[10:37] <sil2100> ;)
[10:38] <Chipaca> sil2100: if somebody has a corrupt upstart thing that happens to be working now, this would break it
[10:38] <Chipaca> or otherwise has rubbish after the push-client command
[10:38] <Chipaca> that's now looked at and complained about
[10:39] <Chipaca> I could roll it out of the patchset if it's a problem
[10:39] <sil2100> Chipaca: let's consult it with someone from the SRU team
[10:39] <Chipaca> having to explain it underlined how weak a reasoning it was, really :)
[10:40] <sil2100> cjwatson: hi Colin, do you have a moment to help us evaluate an SRU situation?
[10:40] <Chipaca> (i still think it's nice to have and low risk, si yes)
[10:40] <Chipaca> so*
[10:40] <sil2100> Chipaca: yeah, I also would prefer not to remove it unneccesarily
[10:40] <Chipaca> anyway, back to editing bug descriptions
[10:40] <cjwatson> I don't have a problem with the above if it makes it easier to test SRUs
[10:41] <sil2100> o/
[10:41] <sil2100> cjwatson: thanks :)
[10:41] <cjwatson> But expect to have to roll it back if the regression potential turns out to be actual
[10:41] <sil2100> cjwatson: should we create a 'bug' for that one and indicate the bug number in the changelog, or can we simply leave the changelog entry alone?
[10:41] <sil2100> (with no bug assigned for that 'testing enhancer')
[10:42] <Chipaca> the diff itself is https://code.launchpad.net/~pedronis/ubuntu-push/client-takes-cmd-line-flags-as-well/+merge/215617 and its prerequisite, if that's any use in the conversation
[10:42] <cjwatson> It would be helpful to have a bug just in case we discover that it regresses independently from the rest
[10:42] <sil2100> cjwatson: ok, thanks o/
[10:42] <Chipaca> cjwatson: ta. Will file.
[10:43] <sil2100> Chipaca: so, could you create a bug for that commit, mention the regression potential there (according to the SRU guidelines) and attach it to the changelog?
[10:43] <sil2100> Chipaca: I could create the bug for you, but I guess you know best what exactly that commit does
[10:43] <Chipaca> yep
[10:43] <sil2100> Thank you :)!
[10:43] <Chipaca> updated description for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-push/+bug/1309432
[10:54] <Chipaca> and updated the description for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-push/+bug/1308145
[10:54] <Chipaca> (that was a lot of typing)
[10:54] <Chipaca> (I'm leaving "supurious" because it's my favorite neologism)
[11:03] <sil2100> ;)
[11:04] <sil2100> Chipaca: looking awesome - now just that new bug for that enhancement and we're good to do some publishin'
[11:04] <Chipaca> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-push/+bug/1311600
[11:04] <Chipaca> sil2100: ^
[11:04] <sil2100> Chipaca: fast! Thanks, nominating
[11:06] <sil2100> Chipaca: can you append (LP: #1311600) to the changelog of that branch? We'll have to re-build though, but it will be fast as no re-testing will be required
[11:06] <Chipaca> sure, give me a bit
[11:10] <Chipaca> sil2100: build failed, looking for the "ignore" button :)
[11:11] <Chipaca> sil2100: hmm. It doesn't like me.
[11:14] <didrocks> Chipaca: yeah, this is to prevent you shooting on your feet
[11:15] <didrocks> (once you get a successfull build, you don't want to rebuild most of the time and people misclicked)
[11:15]  * Chipaca likes his feet
[11:15] <didrocks> Chipaca: the error message doesn't help you? :)
[11:18] <sil2100> Chipaca: just run the build job with ubuntu-push as the packages to rebuild ;)
[11:18] <sil2100> No other flags should be needed
[11:18] <Chipaca> mucho bettero!
[11:19] <Chipaca> didrocks: the error message told me to run it again with "ignore"
[11:19] <didrocks> Chipaca: yeah, and you rerun with "force rebuild"
[11:19] <Chipaca> https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/landing-008-1-build/49/console
[11:19] <didrocks> not "ignore step"
[11:20] <Chipaca> this is true
[11:20] <didrocks> Chipaca: I'm happy to take any better/more clear wording
[11:20] <Chipaca> in my defense, i did that because i read the descriptions on those options, and the ignore sounds like it ignore things if the force doesn't work
[11:21] <Chipaca> oh!
[11:21] <Chipaca> oooh
[11:21] <Chipaca> didrocks: s/ignore if/ignore whether/ and i would've probably understood
[11:21] <didrocks> Chipaca: changing! thanks :)
[11:21] <Chipaca> didrocks: and has, not hasn't, with whether
[11:22] <Chipaca> negaitve logic breaks my brain a bit i'm afraid
[11:22] <didrocks> :)
[11:41] <Chipaca> sil2100: packages built
[11:41] <sil2100> Chipaca: \o/ Lookint at that, thanks!
[11:45] <sil2100> Oh noes!
[11:45] <sil2100> :<
[11:46] <Chipaca> sil2100: what?
[11:46] <sil2100> Chipaca: bad news, we'll have to rebuild again :< The changelog mentions (LP: #216466) as the bug number, which is some other bug (not the one you filled in)
[11:46] <sil2100> Chipaca: it should be (LP: #1311600)
[11:46] <Chipaca> what
[11:46] <Chipaca> where did that come from :-(
[11:46] <sil2100> Chipaca: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-008/+sourcepub/4100678/+listing-archive-extra <- :<
[11:47] <Chipaca> i can't even copy and paste
[11:47] <sil2100> Happens to everyone, no worries ;p
[11:47] <Chipaca> i'll go get a mug of coffee and shame, and do it over
[11:47] <Mirv> a random copy paste mangler easter egg would be fun
[11:47] <ogra_> that would require working copy paste, no ?
[11:47] <sil2100> ;p
[11:48] <sil2100> Chipaca: I'm only sad because now you'll have to wait for it to build again!
[11:49] <sil2100> I would always prefer that our landers have a swift landing with good memories of it ;p
[11:49] <Mirv> so there's some motivation for implementing a working copy paste.. with a twist
[11:49] <sil2100> Mirv: please, don't! Or someone will actually implement what you wish for!
[11:49] <sil2100> ;p
[11:51] <Chipaca> ogra_: not if "mangle" means "paste some bytes from /dev/urandom"
[11:51] <ogra_> heh
[12:01] <Chipaca> ogra_: trying to decide whether "shuf -n1 /usr/share/dict/words" or "fortune -os -n 15" would be better paste replacement
[12:02] <ogra_> thats lame, you should pull random words online and call it "cloud integrated pasting"  ;)
[12:04] <sil2100> Chipaca: I see it's basically built, I should be able to publish soon :) Looks good so far
[12:17] <Chipaca> sil2100: \o/
[12:21] <sil2100> Chipaca: published! Let's now make sure the it doesn't get missed by the SRU team :)
[12:21] <Chipaca> sil2100: how do I do that?
[12:21]  * Chipaca opens up international-pizza-delivery.com
[12:21] <sil2100> Chipaca: we'll be poking around, now worries
[12:21]  * Chipaca closes it again, that stuff is expensive
[12:21] <sil2100> Nagging people in your stead ;p
[12:21]  * Chipaca hugs sil2100
[12:21] <Chipaca> thanks :)
[12:23] <sil2100> Chipaca: yw! Thanks for doing the paperwork :)
[12:27] <Chipaca> i won't lie, i hate the paperwork
[12:27] <Chipaca> at the same time i understand why it's there, so... :-\
[12:55] <popey> davmor2: I can't actually get on 5Ghz here! I have deleted all network manager system-connections and rebooted, and it just keeps asking for the password
[13:07] <davmor2> popey: oh dear
[13:07] <davmor2> popey: works fine here
[13:07] <popey> davmor2: i have connected to a 5G connection at someone else's house with it
[13:07] <popey> but can't get on mine
[13:07] <popey> no idea why
[13:08] <ogra_> popey, tried different channels ?
[13:09] <ogra_> (on the AP side)
[13:14] <popey> ogra_: will fiddle
[13:14] <davmor2> popey: 	Auto (Current channel 36) seems to work fine for me I don't know if that helps any at all
[13:15] <popey> ta
[13:15] <popey> mine is on 36 too
[13:15] <popey> "N Only (5Ghz)"
[13:15] <ogra_> well,  its also a matter of overlapping them with different APs
[13:15] <ogra_> especially if you have different speeds there
[13:15]  * popey switches to "mixed"
[13:18] <popey> popey.mooo.com/screenshots/device-2014-04-23-141802.png
[13:18] <popey> wtf
[13:18] <popey> tried connecting to 5ghz, it failed and dropped back to 2.4
[13:18] <popey> now shows a button next to both
[13:19] <ogra_> lol
[13:19] <ogra_> whats that last one
[13:19] <ogra_> unfriendly neighbors
[13:20] <davmor2> popey: yeah and you think I live in a rough neighbourhood don't get none of that here I'll have you know. (Too thick to change the defaults normally, but shhhhh)
[13:22]  * Saviq wants U :|
[13:23] <josepht> Unholy Uguisu
[13:28] <sil2100> bfiller, boiko: hi guys! I'd like to ask some questions regarding your landings
[13:29] <davmor2> josepht: you mean it not unkind unicorn
[13:29] <boiko> sil2100: sure
[13:29] <sil2100> bfiller, boiko: so, first of all a question regarding the two ones that are published and blocked in UNAPPROVED - they either have no bugs assigned or those bugs are not SRU-ready
[13:30] <sil2100> bfiller, boiko: so the question is:
[13:30] <josepht> davmor2: Uni-horned Unicorn? :)
[13:30] <boiko> sil2100: yeah, well, last week I asked if I should do anything regarding the packaging being unapproved, and I was told to just wait, so that's what I have been doing :D
[13:30] <sil2100> bfiller, boiko: should we try doing the paperwork and pushing those as SRU, or you prefer we reject those and re-publish once U is open?
[13:30] <bfiller> sil2100: how do I make them SRU ready?
[13:31] <bfiller> sil2100: and how long until U is open do we think?
[13:31] <mhr3> sil2100, is there anything more i have to do for line #20?
[13:31] <sil2100> bfiller: each merge/fix should have a LP bug assigned, and that bug should be a bug-fix and be formatted according to the SRU needs (i.e. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#SRU_Bug_Template )
[13:31] <bfiller> sil2100: ok thanks. let me take a look and see if we want to do an sru or not
[13:32] <sil2100> mhr3: no, I guess that landing is safe, it needs to serve its time in -proposed now
[13:32] <sil2100> bfiller: ok! Thanks :) Since the SRU process can take a while itself, so it's usually evaluating and 'guessing' which makes more sense
[13:32] <mhr3> sil2100, very well, thx
[13:32] <davmor2> bfiller: ah just the chap.  You said in a 14.04 update that MMS was supported.  I have an MMS request from my Mom this morning that points to the providers web site to view I had assumed this would go away with the MMS support is that not the case?
[13:33] <bfiller> davmor2: it's not supported yet, it's in the work in progress category
[13:34] <davmor2> bfiller: damn I must of mis-read thanks
[13:34] <bfiller> sil2100: what's the quickest way to get the fixes into the image? that's what I'm most interested in really
[13:35] <bfiller> davmor2: it's coming soon though
[13:35] <ogra_> before or after mark announced U ?
[13:35] <ogra_> :P
[13:36] <ogra_> bfiller, the normal SRU process applies
[13:36] <ogra_> (for getting fixes into the image)
[13:36] <ogra_> oh, that remonds me ...
[13:36] <ogra_> *reminds
[13:36]  * ogra_ promotes 303 to devel
[13:36] <bfiller> ogra_: so we're still spinning trusty images then/
[13:36] <bfiller> ?
[13:37] <ogra_> if they are worth it
[13:37] <bfiller> what's the time estimate for U images?
[13:37] <ogra_> ask mark
[13:38] <ogra_> as lojng as we dont have a name we cant even open the archive
[13:38] <sil2100> Yeah...
[13:38] <sil2100> bfiller: well, it's hard to say  what's the fastest way
[13:39] <ogra_> once the name is there opening the archive (to a usable state) takes a day or two ... then the build tools need adjustment for the new name, then we can start first test images
[13:39] <ogra_> there is a wikipage somewhere
[13:40] <bfiller> so guessing we're at least a week a way
[13:41] <ogra_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewReleaseCycleProcess
[13:41] <ogra_> thats the one i think
[13:42] <ogra_> (note it expects that the name exists 1month before the release)
[13:42] <sil2100> bfiller, boiko: just give me a ping once you decide what you want to do with your landings :)
[13:56] <mandel> sil2100, didrocks small question, when will I be allows to start landing again for udm? do I have to wait until he u name?
[13:56] <ogra_> mandel, where do you want to land ?
[13:56] <mandel> ogra_, touch
[13:56] <ogra_> lol
[13:57] <mandel> ogra_, whatever that is :)
[13:57] <ogra_> so udm doesnt go into server ? :P
[13:57] <mandel> ogra_, or the moon ;)
[13:57] <ogra_> mandel, if you spaniards dont know what to target, how do you expect to win the game tonight ?
[13:58] <mandel> ogra_, and get blamed for heartbleed, no :P
[13:58] <ogra_> mandel,  do mean landing for U ?
[13:58] <ogra_> or for a trusty SRU
[13:59] <mandel> ogra_, U would be easier than a SRU and is just for mms support and browser integration, things we do not have in trusty
[13:59] <ogra_> SRUs can land ...
[13:59] <mandel> ogra_, there is a game going on tonight? /me checks
[13:59] <ogra_> U cant land before an archive exists
[13:59] <ogra_> mandel, ral vs bayern ?
[14:00] <ogra_> *real
[14:00] <mandel> ogra_, oh, that.. I should watch that
[14:00] <mandel> ogra_, I'm more of a rugby man :)
[14:00]  * ogra_ surely will :)
[14:00] <ogra_> ah
[14:02] <mandel> ogra_, I will just to cheer for the spaniards, you are not allowed to have a better economy && good football, that is the reason we wond the worldcup
[14:02] <ogra_> haha
[14:02] <ogra_> brazil will show i guess :)
[14:04] <bregma> hey sil2100 I see you looking at my line 31: all the bugs are now prepared for SRU, it's ready for a silo assignment when everything is ready on your end
[14:04] <sil2100> bregma: hey! Yes, I saw that, was browsing the bugs like 15 minutes ago
[14:04] <sil2100> I nominated some already
[14:04] <bregma> I just finished editing the last one
[14:06] <sil2100> Awesome!
[14:06] <sil2100> Let me just browse through them quickly and assign a silo
[14:06] <sil2100> We're a bit low on those, but hey, it's not like we're landing anything besides those
[14:28] <sil2100> bregma: silo 14 for you :)
[14:49] <ogra_> didrocks, btw, did you notice that you get the image update together with the update of the three click packages that were added in 303 ...
[14:49] <ogra_> kind of redundant :P
[14:50] <didrocks> ogra_: yeah, it's not the most optimized UI :)
[14:50] <ogra_> lol, you blame the UI ?
[14:51] <ogra_> (just pointing out it is pointless to re-roll images only for click updates ... since you will always get it twice then)
[14:52] <ogra_> oh, just for teh record ... 303 promoted btw
[15:03] <bfiller> sil2100: line 21 sync-monitor: I filed SRU bug here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sync-monitor/+bug/1311719
[15:03] <bfiller> sil2100: would like to get that promoted.
[15:04] <bfiller> sil2100: line 18 can be rejected and pushed to U
[15:04] <sil2100> bfiller: hmmm, ok, I need to consult about the sync-monitor thing, because right now the package that's in UNAPPROVED doesn't have any link to the bug being fixed
[15:05] <sil2100> So it will be hard for the SRU team to track this bug
[15:05] <bfiller> sil2100: I can resubmit if it's easier to reject that one and do it again
[15:05] <sil2100> cjwatson: hi! Sorry to bother again, but what do you think? We have a package in UNAPPROVED that's not linked to any bug - the bug is now prepared, but we're not sure if we should reject this upload and try re-publishing with the bug linked in?
[15:42] <popey> didrocks: I'll miss landing call this evening, have a meeting clash
[15:42] <didrocks> popey: ok, no worry!
[15:45]  * ogra_ guesses there wont be much do discuss anyway ... still
[15:45] <mhr3> sil2100, silo for 33 pls?
[15:45] <didrocks> mhr3: no need to ping us, we are getting pings
[15:45] <sil2100> mhr3: sadly, no silos...
[15:45] <sil2100> I mean, we have like 1
[15:46] <didrocks> on :#ubuntu-ci-choo-choo :)
[15:46] <mhr3> didrocks, woooo, as in there's a bot? :)
[15:46] <didrocks> mhr3: you can join there!
[15:46] <sil2100> Because of no-U and SRU it's like, geh
[15:46] <didrocks> :)
[15:47] <ogra_> sil2100, i'd call it relaxing
[15:47] <sil2100> Ok, I jump out to the doctor, bbl
[15:47] <ogra_> finally time to do all that overdue paperwork etc :)
[15:48] <ogra_> ... and cleaning the office ...
[15:52] <bfiller> fginther: are the CI jobs supposed to already be producing a click for gallery-app? don't see it anywhere in artifacts
[15:56] <fginther> bfiller, unfortunately, you'll need drill down through a couple of jobs to find it. From gallery-app-ci, you can go to the generic-click-autopilot-trusty-touch job, then the generic-click-builder-trusty-armhf job which will have the click package
[15:57] <bfiller> fginther: ok, thanks. Any plans to surface this in the Launchpad MR page?
[15:58] <fginther> bfiller, I had not thought about that... I'll look into it
[15:58] <bfiller> fginther: cool, possible could just add it to the artifacts zip file that is already created
[16:01] <didrocks> cyphermox: robru: coming?
[16:01] <bfiller> fginther: so I'm here but can't figure out how to drill further: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-click-autopilot-trusty-touch/
[16:04] <fginther> bfiller, the console logs will contain the links to the specific build for each job
[16:05] <fginther> so if you start with https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/gallery-app-ci/812/console, you'll see "generic-click-autopilot-trusty-touch #86"
[16:05] <fginther> and then the console log for that will point to "generic-click-builder-trusty-armhf #98"
[17:19] <sil2100> Back
[17:19] <ogra_> Front
[17:31] <rsalveti> utopic unicorn!
[17:31] <ogra_> !!
[17:32] <sil2100> OH!
[17:32] <sil2100> YESSSS \o/
[17:34] <sil2100> The unicorn is ouuunnn!
[17:38] <fginther> sil2100, so now that we're opening a new release, do you know how the 14.04 project branches will be handled? Is this going to be through lp:cupstream2distro-config or is the ci-train going to handle this also?
[17:39] <sil2100> fginther: I would suppose ci-train will handle this as well, but I guess that's a valid question to poke Didier tomorrow morning
[17:39] <sil2100> fginther: I'll try to poke about that in the EU meeting and just inform you once you appear
[17:40] <fginther> sil2100, thanks. for the foreseeable future, we'll still need to maintain the config files in lp:cupstream2distro-config for the -ci jobs, but it would help to know if the former daily-release process will pick anything up
[18:07] <robru> fginther, my understanding is that daily_release is only used for saucy SRUs. there shouldn't be any current branches still using it.
[18:07] <fginther> robru, and trusty SRUs will be handled by the ci-train?
[18:07] <robru> fginther, I assume so.
[18:07] <fginther> robru, that's my assumption as well
[18:08] <robru> fginther, didrocks would have the final say on that, but I can't image we'd want to transition trusty SRUs to the old daily_release stuff.
[18:08]  * robru is secretly hoping that daily_release gets shut off and deleted when saucy EOL's ;-)
[18:09] <fginther> robru, agreed, I'll be sure to poke him tomorrow if sil2100 doesn't get to him first
[18:34] <josharenson> josepht, is this a good time for you?
[18:34] <josepht> josharenson: sure
[18:36] <josharenson> josepht, so I'm writing a performance test suite (well, currently only 1 test), that I would like to integrate into the existing QA dashboard. I have the code from lp:helipad, but was wondering if you could provide some tips on setting up a local instance as I'm running in to a lot of issues.
[18:37] <cjohnston> josharenson: first, don't use lp:helipad
[18:37] <josharenson> cjohnston, ... ok I also have lp:qa-dashboard
[18:37] <josepht> josharenson: what sort of issues are you having setting it up?
[18:37] <cjohnston> josharenson: it's meant to be deployed on precise
[18:39] <josharenson> cjohnston, josepht, I have installed old versions of django and postgres and I can kind of get the server running but obviously there are many errors when trying to interact with the db... how do you recommend I proceed? Is there some sandbox environment available?
[18:40] <cjohnston> josharenson: deploy a precise instance in canonistack and I'll help you setup
[18:42] <josharenson> ... where do I do that?
[18:47] <cjohnston> josharenson: you could also use lxc if you like and that's easier for you
[18:56] <cjwatson> bfiller: yes, please do resubmit that sync-monitor change - we can't do any kind of SRU validation tracking without a bug number
[18:56] <cjwatson> bfiller: I've rejected the existing upload
[18:56] <bfiller> cjwatson: will do
[18:56] <cjwatson> thanks


[00:00] <mrand> muns: many (most, actually) cable channels are encrypted now-a-days, but usually there are a few (mostly local stations) that are not.
[00:00] <muns> but i still should once get card working see all the chans just as if i plugged the cable into my tv
[00:01] <mrand> exactly correct.  BTW, #mythtv-users is the correct channel to ask questions in, not #mythtv
[00:01] <muns> or do i need to get a cable box from cable company and wire that into this card
[00:01] <muns> oh
[00:01] <mrand> Whatever you see with your TV, you should be able to get via your card.
[00:02] <muns> kk ya i'm still working on this problem
[00:02] <mrand> assuming kernel drivers work, etc.
[00:02] <muns> i'm just stumped on why nothing is working for me lol when i created all that i needed to in the backend
[00:03] <muns> did the thought popup about that "tuning" the card or using another program to test it
[00:04] <muns> its just gettin to me and not sure if i should try older mythbuntu releases or somehow downgrade to 0.21 or try a diff kernel or somethin i'm lost here
[00:06] <mrand> muns: I'm sorry, there really isn't a bunch of experts here to answer channel scanning questions - there are simply too many variables for those of us that don't even have the equipment to guess at... hence the recommendation to ask on #Mythtv-users
[00:07] <muns> ya i'll ask there
[00:32] <rhpot1991> muns: digital cable is encrypted, analog should not be.  Maybe you don't have analog any longer?
[00:32] <rhpot1991> and normally you will get your locals on digital unencrpyted
[00:53] <muns> well thing is i plugin this cable to this tv and all my chans show up no prob i plugin to this card and nuttin but fuzz
[00:55] <muns> ya i think they were updating all to digital
[01:00] <muns> brb reboot time
[02:46] <axisys> anyone here able to feed their analog video into wintv pvr usb2 and capture it ?
[02:47] <axisys> cat /dev/video0 > file.mpg shows no video
[02:47] <axisys> mplayer file.mpg gives video snow and no audio
[02:48] <axisys> looking for someone successfully captured video from wintv pvr usb2
[02:49] <axisys> http://pastebin.com/rMk4AxFy get video snow and no sound
[02:59] <puff> tgm4883: Hey, so about that hd settop box thing..
[03:06] <mrand> axisys: I have a PVR-USB2 on 9.10 with MythTV 0.23 and it works fine.  did you try more than whatever channel it defaults to at power up?
[03:07] <axisys> mrand: i am newbie
[03:07] <axisys> mrand: i tried mplayer tv:///0 to 4 .. none gave me any output either
[03:07] <axisys> mrand: i am 100% sure I am doing something stupid
[03:08] <mrand> if you feed that cable to the TV, does it show/tune?
[03:08] <axisys> mrand: camcorder -> y/r/w cable -> pvr usb2 -> usb on laptop
[03:10] <mrand> ah.  not using the coax input.    I don't remember how mine is set up, actually - I appear to have both coax and composite connected.  Let me check.
[03:13] <mrand> axisys: ok, I looks like I'm using composite for some reason as well.  You on 9.10 or 10.04
[03:13] <axisys> mrand: 10.04
[03:23] <mrand> axisys: I'm turning the internet upsidedown trying to figure out how to select the composite input from command line
[03:23] <axisys> mrand: i am reading the man mplayer.. not sure of anything yet
[03:26] <mrand> axisys: http://pvrusb2.dax.nu/   I assume these aren't outdated.  changesource.py.   You wan RCA input
[03:26] <Zinn> [pvrusb2.dax.nu] pvrusb2
[03:28] <axisys> mrand: reading
[03:30] <axisys> mrand: http://www.isely.net/pvrusb2/pvrusb2.html this seems what is more updated? i read it earlier.. let me see what I missed..
[03:30] <Zinn> [www.isely.net] pvrusb2 Linux Driver
[03:30] <mrand> yeah, isely is the one that does the driver for it.  but I didn't quickly see anything there about input selection.
[03:34] <tgm4883> puff, yea?
[03:41] <axisys> tried with xawtv and changing input to television/composite/s-video/radio .. no luck
[03:42] <axisys> Note that anything before version 4 will definitely not work with this since earlier versions did not support mpeg2 decoding
[03:42] <axisys> i am running lower than 4 .. doh!
[03:45] <mrand> axisys: mpeg2 decoding?  Your usb2 box should be doing encoding, not decoding.
[03:46] <axisys> mrand: oh yeah.. doh!
[03:49] <axisys> mrand: xawtv let you change inputs with mouse click.. but that did not help
[03:52] <axisys> success! vlc - < /dev/video0 worked
[03:52] <axisys> now i need sound
[03:58] <Nixon> I can't get mytharchive to work it terminates ffmpeg with an interleave error everytime? any ideas?
[05:30] <lapion> axisys, what video chip does the soundsystem use ?
[05:33] <lapion> axisys try:  sox -S -t alsa -c2 -r 32000 hw:1.0 -t ao pulse
[05:34] <axisys> lapion: i will have to try it tomorrow.. getting ready to go to bed.. thanks for the recom
[05:37] <lapion> axisys,  some analog sound cards user a separate sound device running at 32000Hz for audio, this unloads the cpu from processing input sound
[05:39] <lapion> ps you need to install pulse and alsa support for sox to use that line, and the syntax for the pulse output device changes for older versions ( pre lucid lynx) of sox
[05:40] <lapion> axisys, however you will not need to separately run sox for myth, all you need tyo do is set the sound for the card to the correct input device, in my case it was /dev/dsp1
[06:04] <hot_wheelz> Hi does any one have a fully mapped properly working lirc.conf file for a Logitech Harmony Remote?
[06:23] <hot_wheelz> when setting up mythbuntu is it recommend to use the proprietary graphics driver or not?...I just been testing at this stage so I am unsure
[06:41] <hot_wheelz> anyone?
[06:51] <Shadow__X> hot_wheelz: what video card do you have
[06:51] <Shadow__X> and as for the remote lirc google is your friend also check the wiki
[06:53] <hot_wheelz> shadow_X it an ati
[06:54] <hot_wheelz> i am running 10.04 btw
[06:55] <Shadow__X> which ati
[06:56] <Shadow__X> theres more than1
[06:56] <hot_wheelz> 4550 or 4650
[06:57] <Shadow__X> use proprietary
[06:59] <hot_wheelz> ok the one thing i did when try it is it would like duplicate the picture if u know what i mean were as disabling it it would be fine
[07:03] <Shadow__X> excuse me?
[08:17] <hot_wheelz> also what is required to stream tv via mythweb
[08:17] <hot_wheelz> is there a package?
[08:38] <hot_wheelz> that works with 0.23
[10:56] <qwebirc1116> i have recently bulit my 10.04 system and got my hvr-2200 working ok, however when I reboot it the front reports an
[10:56] <qwebirc1116> error that all cards are in use but no recordings
[10:57] <qwebirc1116> I can fix it by killall the mythbackend and restarting it. Any idea as to what is causing this
[11:02] <qwebirc1116> bump
[11:03] <qwebirc1116> i'll try the forums bye!
[13:21] <st8ofmi9d> superm1: I hear that you have a Dell Zino. Have you have any troubles with it overheating after an hour or so?
[16:03] <mcl0vin> good morning folks
[16:05] <rhpot1991> morning
[16:10] <mcl0vin> i need someone to help me setup my remote
[16:17] <superm1> st8ofmi9d, I don't have one, sorry
[16:22] <Shadow__X> hey superm1 hows it going
[16:25] <Jay2k1> mcl0vin whats wrong
[16:53] <mcl0vin> Jay2k1: i don't know how to configure it or setit up
[16:56] <Jay2k1> google for mythtv and lirc, lots of tutorials out there
[16:57] <mrand> mcl0vin: Mythbuntu Control Centre (MCC) provides an initial working config for many of the more standard remotes
[16:57] <mcl0vin> mrand: hey there, didn't know you were here
[16:58] <mcl0vin> mrand: Jay2k1 am using WinTV-HVR-1600
[17:05] <mcl0vin> on a side note , what are the default ports for mythbox, i am trying to forward traffic to it
[17:57] <superm1> hi Shadow__X, good.  just wrapping up UDS
[18:50] <mcl0vin> on a side note , what are the default ports for mythbox, i am trying to forward traffic to it
[18:53] <mrand> mcl0vin: Pretty much whatever the defaults are for Ubuntu.  Only thing I know for sure is that 22 is open (ssh).  I don't know if port 80 is enabled by default or not, but if you install Mythweb, then  it'll be open for sure.
[20:58] <fulld2> !help
[20:58] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[21:07] <fulld2> Hello room
[21:07] <fulld2> I would like to send HD video signals over a OC-192 network to test said network
[21:08] <fulld2> Our line card has a XFP interface that runs at OC192 or 10G ethernet LAN&WAN
[21:08] <fulld2> is that something any of you might have experience with?
[21:17] <mrand> fulld2: The easiest thing to do would be to treat the interface as an Ethernet hose.  You can stream video over that, either by browsing the filesystem directly and using your favorite local media player (windows or Linux), or using Myth (certainly Linux, and possibly Windows) .  With that big a pipe, you could have lots of clients doing that simultaneously with different streams.
[21:28] <mrand> Although I guess multiple clients  would require a 10GE switch on at least one end.   I suppose you could have a single client, maybe with multiple monitors.  VDPAU would probably be your video decoding friend in this case... appear to support multiple streams.


[05:00] <AliTabuger7> anyone up?
[05:07] <cody-somerville> no
[15:06] <AliTabuger7> Anyone here? Shahriar86? Hubuntu? Pep?
[15:06] <shahriar86> yes just arrieved
[15:06] <shahriar86> hi AliTabuger7 whats new? :)
[15:06] <AliTabuger7> I put another mockup on the wiki: http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/5351/spreadubuntudiygridalitwy9.jpg
[15:06] <shahriar86> checking
[15:08] <shahriar86> this is the get material page ?
[15:09] <shahriar86> humm ok
[15:09] <shahriar86> this is good...
[15:09] <AliTabuger7> It's a grid view possibility
[15:09] <AliTabuger7> What i put ont he wiki: The grid view has many advantages over a table, or vertical list of nodes. The thumbnails can be larger. Since they are closer together, it is easy to do side by side comparisons. Eliminates information users may not have interest in, like an exact download count. While this information is interesting, and extremely useful for sorting, and even considering/weighing materials with a close up viewing, it bears little rel
[15:09] <AliTabuger7> evance when a user is looking for something of a certain style. Download count and rating indicate quality, not style. Since download count is already sorted, the first results will undoubtedly be of good quality, so it becomes a style choice. - AliTabuger7
[15:10] <shahriar86> yes
[15:11] <shahriar86> thats the idea
[15:12] <AliTabuger7> it might be nice to have a table view possibility as well, which can be very easily done. The more I thought about it, a grid seems like the best view for the typical user.
[15:12] <shahriar86> I do not prefer table view.(though not sure what I am imagining is the right one)
[15:12] <shahriar86> can you show me a sample of table view?
[15:14] <AliTabuger7> http://neomenlo.org/og
[15:14] <AliTabuger7> thats my website. That would be a table view. It is good for displaying text information and details
[15:16] <shahriar86> yes this is what I was thinking... table view is good in listing details like who contributed, what purpose date size etc. but when I think of comparing or viewing the materials then table view is not so convenient
[15:17] <AliTabuger7> Exactly. That information is useless to most users
[15:17] <shahriar86> yes. I agree with you :)
[15:18] <AliTabuger7> Especially since you can filter/sort so that it fits your criteria. The download count will be high, the language will most likely be yours. The only other thing someone might look for is maybe a "topic", but that would be hard to do because there would be so many topics
[15:19] <AliTabuger7> and the search box should be able to do that anyway
[15:19] <shahriar86> hummm yes
[15:20] <AliTabuger7> I'm not saying it would be impossible to set up a "topic" field. It would have to be very well thought out and structured on our behalf for it be useful.
[15:21] <shahriar86> well topic in this sector is not that important
[15:21] <shahriar86> we can get some idea from the name of the posting maybe
[15:22] <shahriar86> topic will be very diversified
[15:22] <AliTabuger7> yes, but this may become necessary as more content gets put up
[15:23] <shahriar86> ok will have to think of it then, how to put things into common topic catagory
[15:23] <AliTabuger7> I like to use the firefox addons repository as an example. Any user can easily find the topic they are looking for because they picked broad categories
[15:24] <shahriar86> hummm....
[15:24] <AliTabuger7> It might actually make sense to add this after the site has been online for a while. We will then be able to see what 'topics' the materials use.
[15:24] <shahriar86> yes thats another way
[15:24] <shahriar86> I was thinking of it when the we have hundreds of materials
[15:25] <shahriar86> we can sort it then catagorize
[15:25] <AliTabuger7> Yes. at that point the feature actually becomes useful, and we have some content to look at to categorize and really get the categories right
[15:26] <shahriar86> :)
[15:26] <shahriar86> I am thinking what I am doing now :( nothing to help you with now. may be later...
[15:27] <shahriar86> any way your ideas are nice. just make it more readable (I can't read everything :P )
[15:27] <shahriar86> *on the mocup
[15:28] <AliTabuger7> One other thing to consider is that Drupals taxonomy feature (categorization/tagging) has heirarchial terms (tags) meaning they kind of function like folders since they can have subfolders
[15:29] <AliTabuger7> You aren't really supposed to read it. Most of it is giberish anyway. Like the big thumbnail image in the grid view says "Huge Thumbnail" on it and below it says title
[15:29] <AliTabuger7> most of the stuff is like that
[15:29] <shahriar86> ha ha ok...
[15:30] <AliTabuger7> if you were wondering about anything in particular, tell me where it is and i can tell you what it says
[15:30] <shahriar86> humm nothing... I just like what I see. because I am talking with you instantly
[15:31] <shahriar86> but other guys when they see it they might not get it.. but ofcourse the technical people will get it..
[15:31] <AliTabuger7> It's all visual. The text there is kind of filler
[15:31] <shahriar86> ok
[15:31] <shahriar86> yes the visual is good to explain the idea
[15:32] <shahriar86> I liked both of your idea
[15:32] <shahriar86> homepage and grid view in the get material
[15:33] <AliTabuger7> What would be a page i should do next?
[15:33] <shahriar86> grid view was what I had in mind, but did not know how to tell you
[15:33] <AliTabuger7> the specific view of a single material?
[15:33] <shahriar86> means?
[15:33] <shahriar86> it can have two way to approach
[15:34] <shahriar86> one is small tumbernail with description or directly the material?
[15:34] <AliTabuger7> no... i could show you... So this is like the grid view: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search?q=&cat=1%2C22
[15:34] <AliTabuger7> then you click on like the first one
[15:35] <AliTabuger7> and this is like the "specific" view of a single material: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/11
[15:35] <shahriar86> yes I get it.. just of like image site
[15:35] <shahriar86> or the wallpaper site
[15:35] <shahriar86> right?
[15:35] <shahriar86> I am talking about the specific material page now..like I clicked the first one
[15:36] <shahriar86> what I will see?
[15:36] <AliTabuger7> I was just using the firefox addons as a way to kind of give you an example of what the difference in "grid" (they used list) and "specific view of a single material"
[15:36] <AliTabuger7> i was saying should that be the next one i mockup?
[15:36] <shahriar86> ohh yes I understand the difference
[15:36] <shahriar86> yes I was also talking about that
[15:37] <shahriar86> I was talking there could be two way right the one on firefox addon.
[15:37] <AliTabuger7> huh?
[15:38] <shahriar86> specific material page how it will be?
[15:38] <shahriar86> I am saying the way firefox addon site is done that is one way... right? another way could be downloading the material directly without much information?
[15:39] <AliTabuger7> So, i'm imagining a large(r) thumbnail at the top left. The title in the center. The author's name underneath it. Below that is a horizontal list of "liscense: ... language:... etc"
[15:39] <AliTabuger7> below the thumbnail there is a rating on a scale of 1-5 stars
[15:39] <AliTabuger7> and below the rating is the downloads all time (and maybe this week like on firefox addons)
[15:40] <AliTabuger7> and beneath all of that is a bunch of comments
[15:41] <AliTabuger7> if we want to get really really fancy (i don't know how the backend guys would implement that) it might be nice to have a "related materials" view at the right, kind of like youtube
[15:42] <AliTabuger7> Unrelated thought: is a ? a universal symbol?
[15:44] <shahriar86> I was disconnected
[15:44] <shahriar86> what was the last line I said? AliTabuger7
[15:45] <AliTabuger7> "I am saying the way firefox addon site is done that is one way... right? another way could be downloading the material directly without much information?
[15:45] <shahriar86> this all could be on the get material page  right under the thumbernail. we can have those info
[15:45] <shahriar86>  why need to load another page to give those info again?
[15:45] <shahriar86>  with small later= the contributor, license size
[15:46] <shahriar86> language and other are sortable via the drop down manu  and license could also be given as serch criteria
[15:46] <shahriar86> this will enhance the search of material
[15:47] <shahriar86> don't have to load all the material to know the license
[15:48] <shahriar86> am i clear or confusing you?
[15:50] <AliTabuger7> I think I get what you are saying. I would like to avoid putting that information on that page to reduce page data size and visual clutter. Although I see what you mean. It does just say the same thing again, but it allows you to give feedback as well. Maybe we could compromize and have a direct download link?
[15:51] <shahriar86> yes that could be
[15:51] <AliTabuger7> it could be as simple as a green down arrow (v) before the title
[15:51] <shahriar86> yes
[15:51] <shahriar86> but what about feedback then.. it did not come to my mind before
[15:51] <shahriar86> say I want to customize a material, want the source file then how do I contact?
[15:52] <AliTabuger7> you click on the "title" or "thumbnail" links that go to the "specific single material" view i was talking about
[15:52] <shahriar86> hummm... yes
[15:52] <shahriar86> and specific single material page will include same info..
[15:52] <AliTabuger7> we could modify the grid view so that before each title there is an image that says "V Get"
[15:53] <AliTabuger7> which links do the direct download
[15:53] <shahriar86> humm yes
[15:53] <shahriar86> does javascript or ajax make the page more heavy?
[15:54] <AliTabuger7> depends on what you want to do with it
[15:54] <AliTabuger7> sometimes it makes it lighter
[15:54] <shahriar86> I was thinking hovering over the thumbernail or clicking the thumbernail can open another inlay data
[15:54] <shahriar86> say the descriptions and such
[15:54] <shahriar86> so the user don't have to load another page
[15:55] <shahriar86> they get the information just hovering over the thumbernail, or clicking on the thumbernail
[15:55] <shahriar86> same goes with comments, feedback?
[15:55] <shahriar86> (although sometimes this hovering thing gets on my nerve, could be annoying)
[15:56] <AliTabuger7> Although that isn't a terrible idea, and might be lighter weight, it couldn't be done in a way that is 'failsafe'. Theres an official word like... regression or something. What it means that if a user does not have javascript enable either for security or google crawler, the content cannot be viewed by them
[15:56] <shahriar86> yes I  have heard of it..
[15:57] <shahriar86> is there any way to make exception for a specific site?
[15:57] <shahriar86> then we can ask the user to enable javascript only once for our diy site?
[15:58] <AliTabuger7> It's typically a bad idea to do that because it means that your valuable data will not be indexed by google.
[15:59] <shahriar86> ok (though not sure why)
[15:59] <shahriar86> google discourages this ?
[15:59] <AliTabuger7> Although I'm looking at the firefox addons again. If you click on the thumbnail of an image with javascript it pops up in that weird thing. If you click on it and you don't have javascript enable, it goes directly to that image. So it might be possible
[16:00] <shahriar86> hummm...
[16:00] <AliTabuger7> they don't discourage, they don't allow. If you make it so the content is only viewable with javascript enabled, they won't index it because they don't have it enabled. Same with flash and all that other stuff. The rest of the content gets indexed, but you're still missing that other content, which may be your most important information
[16:01] <shahriar86> that was just an idea,,so user don't have to load two three pages to find the right material for them
[16:01] <shahriar86> they can easily search and get the material they want viewing the get material page with javascript
[16:01] <AliTabuger7> if we could find a way to do what addons did with the thumbnail, except brining up the description when enabled, and the "specific view of a single material" i was talking about if it is disabled, it would be fine though
[16:02] <AliTabuger7> i consider 2 or 3 pretty good
[16:02] <shahriar86> hummm ok
[16:02] <AliTabuger7> I agree that less is better though
[16:03] <shahriar86> yeah make the work better and more bug free..
[16:03] <AliTabuger7> i also don't know if it could be done in a way that is both efficient (smaller data than loading another seperate page) and not annoying to the user
[16:04] <shahriar86> but again sometimes I am thinking from my point of view.. I would not like to load a full page then find that is not what I am looking for..
[16:04] <shahriar86> then clicking is ok, insteed of hovering over
[16:04] <AliTabuger7> Yeah, it's definitely something to consider
[16:05] <AliTabuger7> yeah clicking and doing something ajaxy MIGHT work. Not sure...
[16:05] <shahriar86> :) ok you look into it, it might work
[16:07] <AliTabuger7> Now that I think about it though, this too is not very necessary. It is good to have as few as possible, but right now it is important to get something basic up quickly that is completely bug free. Doing the ajax thing would make it much more difficult, take much longer, and would undoubtedly add many more bugs because of the added complexity. This definitely should be done later on though.
[16:08] <shahriar86> ok
[16:08] <shahriar86> no problem.. rock solid thing is first priority
[16:09] <AliTabuger7> The direct download thing can easily be added, and should definitely be added to this version
[16:09] <shahriar86> ok
[20:07] <AliTabuger7> anyone here now?
[20:10] <Flannel> Ahoy
[20:10] <AliTabuger7> Hello flannel
[20:10] <AliTabuger7> I finished a couple mockups
[20:11] <AliTabuger7> Home: http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/1600/spreadubuntudiyhomealitcy2.jpg    Grid View: http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/9586/sugridv0002resizedzy1.jpg
[20:12] <AliTabuger7> They are on the wiki too
[20:19] <AliTabuger7> Flannel, any thoughts?
[22:25] <hubuntu> hi AliTabuger7
[22:25] <AliTabuger7> hello
[22:28] <AliTabuger7> welcome back, hubuntu
[22:28] <hubuntu> how is life?
[22:29] <hubuntu> I'm working in the minutes and will send an update about the meeting to the list
[22:29] <AliTabuger7> Pretty good. Did you see my mockups?
[22:29] <hubuntu> Haven't no, are they online already? I started at my new job on monday so I'va been pretty busy
[22:30] <AliTabuger7> Ah. I understand. How is that?
[22:30] <AliTabuger7> I put them up on the wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Projects/SpreadUbuntu/diy#Design
[22:32] <hubuntu> it's nice: huayra.wordpress.com ;)
[22:33] <hubuntu> wow, you been really giving this some thought
[22:34] <AliTabuger7> I get bored alot and this is interesting
[22:35] <AliTabuger7> I put my username on all of those 'posts' because I wanted people to be able to leave 'comments' and feedback. that's how I'm supposed to do it, right?
[22:35] <hubuntu> good, I like people that have learned to canalize their energy :)
[22:35] <hubuntu> you do it the way it suits your needs
[22:35] <hubuntu> If it works for you it's cool
[22:35] <hubuntu> there is really no "rules" about how to do it other than doing it
[22:36] <hubuntu> I like the homepage
[22:37] <AliTabuger7> I know. I couldn't understand why shahriar and flannel were so opposed to it when i was telling them about it, but shahriar loves it now that he sees it.
[22:37] <hubuntu> your homepage with this: http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/3948/mockup5ax5.png would be a perfect start
[22:37] <AliTabuger7> I actually took a suggestion of his earlier today. Grid version 2 I think looks a lot more realistic
[22:38] <hubuntu> I rather see things than hearing about them... like Flannel's image of SU
[22:38] <AliTabuger7> I got rid of those tabs in place of what I think fits the traditional ubuntu website
[22:38] <hubuntu> it really made glad to visualize the layout of the site architecture
[22:39] <hubuntu> I really think the tabs are important
[22:39] <hubuntu> and we are really not copying ubuntu.com, but I mean you do what you want and then we find out how we end up
[22:39] <AliTabuger7> They provide important information, i agree. But I think that the "get" "make" and "share" works a lot better at the left than the tabs
[22:39] <hubuntu> It's Open Source... Those who can do, and what they do is what gets done
[22:40] <AliTabuger7> Well I'm open to criticism on it. I'm not going to just do it. I liked shahriar's idea for the grid.
[22:41] <AliTabuger7> and I actually had one idea written on there already, that maybe we should get rid of the canonical "products support community..."
[22:41] <hubuntu> definitely!
[22:42] <hubuntu> We should use those to give even more direct access to our document tags
[22:42] <AliTabuger7> That is one perfectly good suggestion there. Other parts of that menu could be used later on to integrate with regular spreadubuntu
[22:42] <hubuntu> >press releases >Invitations >flyers >whatever
[22:43] <hubuntu> the easiest the access, the better we get down to business
[22:43] <hubuntu> people want to get their job done. The most simple it gets, the most it weill be use
[22:44] <hubuntu> *will
[22:44] <AliTabuger7> I think if you are shooting for simplicity a drop down menu is absolutely horrible
[22:45] <AliTabuger7> speedy but not simple. I find them to be pretty confusing and overwhelming sometimes
[22:45] <AliTabuger7> but thats when they use it for entire websites. So maybe you are right, it could be used for filtering by content type and tags
[22:46] <hubuntu> I ment dropping the dropdown part of it
[22:46] <hubuntu> like shipit.ubuntu.com
[22:46] <hubuntu> just tags links
[22:46] <hubuntu> or even droppe the whole menu altogether
[22:46] <AliTabuger7> oh, yeah sure
[22:46] <AliTabuger7> the search box could get moved up there
[22:47] <AliTabuger7> rss?
[22:50] <AliTabuger7> I'm still a fan of the left menu opposed to the tabs. I think the ones at ubuntu.com look good and are very useful, but still simple
[22:51] <hubuntu> rss? what you mean?
[22:52] <AliTabuger7> I thought for a split second that maybe a rss feed could be included of all the latest materials
[22:52] <hubuntu> ooooooooh that's an awesome idea
[22:52] <AliTabuger7> that's REALLY easy to do in drupal
[22:52] <hubuntu> yeah, I know
[22:53] <hubuntu> Drupal rulez!
[22:53] <AliTabuger7> i thought of it because rss icon's sometimes go in the top right
[22:53] <hubuntu> that's definitely a wonderful idea
[22:55] <AliTabuger7> Are you still sure you like the tabs in the top?
[23:06] <AliTabuger7> I have to go: be back in an hour
[23:13] <hubuntu> I do like the tabs because it gives easy access to Uploaders/Downloaders to get where they want, but really it is up to you