[00:39] <Lyon_> Hey, is there any way to enable a mono sound output?
[00:41] <sebsebseb> Lyon_: and if you don't get help here either, you may want to try ##linux
[00:42] <craig__> hi there. i'
[00:42] <Lyon_> alright
[00:43] <craig__> opps. i have an hp laptop (with strange keybd layout :D) and i'm trying to get the wifi to work. it seems to have a broadcom that is particularly troublesome...there's a lot about it on the net ... but all the instructions assume that i will get some identifying info about my hard ware from the lspci command.
[00:43] <craig__> ...instead, i see no entry for wireless controllers of any sort!
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[00:44] <Lyon_> so much for that
[00:44] <craig__> huh?
[00:45] <sebsebseb> Lyon_: oh right
[00:45] <sebsebseb> Lyon_: I guess your not registered on the network?
[00:45] <Lyon_> no
[00:45] <sebsebseb> Lyon_: ok some channels you need to be registerd on the network first to be able to use, that being one of them
[00:45] <craig__> yeah no nick, just installed this stuff. sort of rushing through the steps.
[00:45] <craig__> if you mean me, that is.
[00:46] <sebsebseb> craig__: nope I meant Lyon_
[00:46] <craig__> oh
[00:46] <sebsebseb> !register | Lyon_
[00:46] <ubot2> Lyon_: Information about registering your nickname: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat/Registration - Type « /nick <nickname> » to select your nickname. Registration help available by typing /join #freenode
[00:47] <sebsebseb> Lyon_: try your question again in #ubuntu,  I see someone there now, that  may be able to help you
[00:49] <craig__> anyway my question is: is there anything i can do to make ubuntu acknowledge my hardware? or does this mean that my hardware is maybe physically fried?
[00:50] <sebsebseb> !details | craig__
[00:50] <ubot2> craig__: Please give us full details. For example: "I have a problem with ..., I'm running Ubuntu version .... When I try to do ..., I get the following output: ..., but I expected it to do ..."
[00:53] <craig__> yes. i'm running lucid, but have done core updates today, so i think my core is more like 10.10. my laptop is an HP Pavillion dv9205us; I infer from HP's always hard-to-sift support site that my wireless chipset is Broadcom 4322. I have no wireless, and the computer seems in all ways unawares of the wireless hardware.
[00:55] <aveilleux> the HP dv series always has problems with Ubuntu...
[00:55] <craig__> i've found a few related threads and have attempted to pursue them. they usually start with using lspci to get my exact chipset model number. but when i run lspci, i don't see any at all.
[00:55] <craig__> aveilleux: works like a charm in every other way. litterally installed it while napping
[00:56] <aveilleux> craig__: I know, it's always one thing. My ex's dv6000 had an issue with the video chipset.
[00:56] <craig__> yep. did you get it sorted?
[00:57] <aveilleux> craig__: The video, yes.
[00:58] <craig__> good. i'll take that as a positive omen.
[01:00] <craig__> the ironic thing is that the reason i installed ubuntu now is that the wifi broke in vista. i figured it was easier to install ubuntu than to fix wireless drivers. now i'm wondering if maybe the hardware fried.
[01:03] <sebsebseb> !version | craig__
[01:03] <ubot2> craig__: To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type « lsb_release -a » in a !shell - To know the available version of a package, « apt-cache policy <package> »
[01:04] <aveilleux> That's not what he wants, sebsebseb
[01:04] <aveilleux> craig__: If it doesn't work in two different OSs, then it's probably the hardware
[01:04] <sebsebseb> aveilleux:  yeah I guess not, but sounded like he had maybe upgraded to 10.10
[01:09] <aveilleux> craig__: Though to be fair, upgrading to ubuntu from Vista fixed my ex's DV drive :P
[01:09] <aveilleux> DVD8
[01:10] <craig__> well thanks for the trick aveilleux. so it's 10.04 yet. i know it's odd that the wifi was nix on two OSs, but i had figured it was fixable in vista, and since so many folks had problems with broadcom in ubuntu, well i figured it wasn't fried.
[01:11] <craig__> but now that i've tried many things and can't even see it.... starting to wonder.
[01:11] <craig__> any suggestions?
[01:11] <aveilleux> craig__: You can replace the wifi cards on most modern laptops.
[01:12] <craig__> replace? i figured it was on the motherboard, no?
[01:13] <craig__> i don't have any of the original paperwork for the computer, but maybe i can find a diagram on google. god knows that hp won't provide one.
[01:14] <aveilleux> craig__: There's probably a door on the bottom of the machine
[01:16] <craig__> yeah i can't mess with it just now, because that's the machine i'm using!
[01:17] <craig__> but i also don't want to order replacement parts for a computer that should IMO never have been purchased in the first place, on pure speculation that the thing's fried. also, i doubt i could replace it with a different wifi, could i???
[01:18] <aveilleux> craig__: Uh, almost all modern laptops I've seen can swap out the wireless cards. It's a standard slot.
[01:23] <craig__> i'm sure the slot is standard. if all cards were the same, however, ubuntu would probably have accepted mine.
[01:23] <aveilleux> craig__: The ccard is probably dead.
[01:24] <craig__> why do you think? is that what it means when lspci doesn't show it?
[01:26] <aveilleux> craig__: That, and the fact that it failed to work on both OSs
[01:27] <craig__> if i had known i would have fixed it in vista first.
[01:27] <craig__> just to generate more data
[01:30] <craig__> there's a lot of stuff like this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/ that basically says this hardware is unusual in that (for IP reasons) i have to manually download and install the firmware before i can play drivers.
[01:31] <craig__> of course, i've tried to do that, and failed. my point is just that it's exceptional. yes, it could be fried. but my firmware installation could also be friend, and the hardware's fine.
[03:44] <harrisonk> this is an offtopic question: the site w3schools.com I find to be a good place to learn about html especialy the fact that you can find out what a <tag> does ie. <div> is there anything like that for python?
[04:15] <aveilleux> harrisonk_away: Yes
[04:15] <aveilleux> karrisonk_away: Whoops. Not the question you were asking. I believe there's a good Python reference on the project homepage
[06:13] <brandon_1> Just upgraded from 10.04 to 10.10 netbook edition, can I change the new unity interface back to the old one?
[06:14] <brandon_1> by old one I mean the unity interface that was used on 10.04
[06:14] <stlsaint> brandon_1: sorry, im unfamiliar with UNR
[06:15] <brandon_1> yes me as well
[06:15] <brandon_1> I'm finding it extremely difficult to use
[06:16] <stlsaint> ubuntu in general or just UNR?
[06:17] <duanedesign> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1592796
[06:17] <duanedesign> there was a thread on the forums about that^
[06:17] <brandon_1> well specifically UNR and the newest unity interface
[06:18] <duanedesign> brandon_1: when the login screen is displayed in the bottom bar, a menu will say ubuntu netbook edition - click on this and it will display the available sessions
[06:19] <duanedesign> not sure if there is an option for what you want, but worth looking.
[06:22] <brandon_1> thanks for the forum link, from a quick glance that's what i'm looking for
[06:24] <brandon_1> in short I really dug the unity interface in the previous version, so much so I haven't touched my mac or windows in over a week.  However the new interface is way slow, difficult to use, and doesn't display webpages properly.
[06:24] <brandon_1> currently the only solution I've come up with is to use the normal desktop interface
[06:53] <aoglobalent> I am doing a new Ubuntu install. I want to partition my drives and am having an issue doing so. Can some one help me? I can not allow the partitioning to be done automatically, because a particular software I am trying to install on my ubuntu box requires a separate partition. So I need my primary Ubuntu Drive, a second partition, and a swap drive.....
[07:27] <aoglobalent870> I need help manually partitioning my hard drive on a Ubuntu 10 instal
[08:18] <duanedesign> what are you having trouble with aoglobalent870 ?
[09:44] <freeze> hey guys
[09:44] <freeze> i need help
[09:45] <hobgoblin> !ask
[09:45] <ubot2> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[09:45] <freeze> how do i change permissions for a file i need to edit? at the top it shows read-only. im on ubuntu
[09:49] <hobgoblin> what file and where is it?
[09:50] <freeze> NetworkManager.state file it is located in /var/lib/NetworkManager
[09:53] <hobgoblin> ok - you need to edit it as root - sudo nano /file/name will open a text editor as root - there are GUI options too - but I don't know what versionyou use - ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu etc
[09:54] <hobgoblin> ctrl+x Y enter to save in nano
[09:54] <hobgoblin> if you want to backuo the file before you edit it sudo nano -B /file/name
[10:00] <freeze> I saved it
[10:00] <freeze> but somehow it does not apply? im on ubuntu netbook 10.10
[10:01] <hobgoblin> editing doesn't apply? No idea what you mean by that
[10:02] <freeze> my bad, it applies
[10:02] <freeze> i'm gonna restart
[10:02] <freeze> brb
[10:04] <freeze> bleargh
[10:05] <freeze> wireless still doesn't work on my netbook..
[12:16] <shahan> my .iso of ubuntu 10.10 desktop 32 bit is not loading.. I hve created a startup disk using ubuntu 10.04 toolkit
[12:17] <shahan> it shows "process 286() Glib warning getpwuid_r(): failed due to unknown user (0)" (there may have some spelling mistake)\
[12:18] <shahan> I have checkd the MD5SUM for several time :(
[12:25] <shahan> .
[12:31] <duanedesign> hello all
[15:03] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[15:14] <harrisonk> hello
[16:27] <irving> I having trouble getting a full screen
[16:28] <AbhiJit> irving, if this is virtualbox issue then you can ask in #vbox
[16:29] <irving> ok I'll try there. i get virtual box  to fill the screen but  ubuntu is a smaller box in the virtual box window
[16:30] <Silver_Fox_> irving,  Have you installed guest addons ?
[16:32] <irving> yes - i stalled guest additions and rebooted both virtual box and ubuntu. When i Ctrl-F i get a full screen with ubuntu in a small in the middle. i want to expand this to fill the screen
[16:39] <shahan> Hello :)
[16:39] <JoeMaverickSett> hi! :)
[16:42] <shahan> I am having a great problem regarding Maverick
[16:43] <shahan> Please check out there http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1593165
[16:43] <shahan> the100BiLL: Welcome :)
[16:43] <hobgoblin> if irving comes back and they are using maverick - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1588889
[18:33] <lebron228> Help
[18:34] <AbhiJit> ask
[18:34] <lebron228> tryin 2 download gapminder n can't figure it out
[18:34] <lebron228> brand spankin' new to ubuntu/linux
[18:35] <lebron228> downloaded adobe air
[18:36] <aveilleux> lebron228: I'm assuming Flash works properly on the browser you're trying to use GapMinder on
[18:36] <lebron228> tryin' to get gapminder desktop
[18:36] <lebron228> believe it does_ firefox on edubuntu
[18:36] <aveilleux> lebron228: Which version of Ubuntu are you on? 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat)?
[18:37] <lebron228> 10.04 _ couldn't figure how to download 10.10  :(
[18:38] <lebron228> glad I was able to figure this xchat out
[18:38] <aveilleux> lebron228: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/10.10/release/ ?
[18:39] <aveilleux> lebron228: In any case. Flash works in Firefox, right? Have you tested that?
[18:39] <lebron228> how would I test that? i mean I think it's used for Zynga Poker right?
[18:40] <lebron228> mafia wars on FB
[18:40] <lebron228> pretty sure it works
[18:42] <aveilleux> lebron228: Here's a better test. http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[18:43] <lebron228> have a box on desktop 'gapminderdesktop.air' I double click thinking it will set it up but it doesn't
[18:43] <lebron228> k
[18:44] <lebron228> says I have latest version installed
[18:45] <aveilleux> lebron228: Okay. So what happens when you click "Install" on the Download page?
[18:45] <aveilleux> lebron228: Download page of GapMinder
[18:45] <lebron228> Installing application but then try again. so i tried to follow instructions on bottom of page
[18:46] <aveilleux> lebron228: Let me get a test system up, give me a little bit
[18:46] <lebron228> sure thnx
[19:02] <JoeMaverickSett> lebron228: when it comes to "Installing Application" it also shows "Try Again" at the bottom?
[19:03] <JoeMaverickSett> is that what you mean?
[19:16] <lebron228> yes Joe..... looks like I missed u
[19:34] <HesAlwaysNearUs> hello, got problem with Wired LAN internet connection. I adding everything manually, conections shows, that connected to Internet, but pages ar not loading - it shows that web loads, loads for few minuts, and then says, that cannot connect... sorry for my english. Any ideas?
[19:42] <aveilleux> lebron228: Ahh, I get it. Open up Applications > Accessories > Adobe AIR Application Installer
[19:42] <lebron228> k
[19:43] <lebron228> askin 2 select installation package
[19:43] <aveilleux> lebron228: Navigate to where you downloaded the application and open it
[19:43] <lebron228> the gapminder?
[19:44] <aveilleux> lebron228: Yes
[19:45] <lebron228> EUREKA!
[19:45] <lebron228> thank u sooo much
[19:45] <aveilleux> no problem
[19:45] <lebron228> i wouldn't know I had 2 do that
[19:45] <lebron228> is that typical?
[19:48] <lebron228> I'm trying to upgrade to Meerkat from Lynx. do I need to burn a dvd in order to do this?
[19:49] <aveilleux> lebron228: No, you can just upgrade (once the upgrade script is available) from System > Administration > Update Manager
[19:50] <lebron228> so it's not available yet?
[19:50] <aveilleux> Not that I'm aware of. I haven't been able to upgrade, anyway.
[19:50] <lebron228> k
[20:34] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[20:41] <meindian523> eh oh
[21:04] <nhandler> If I have a wifi network with a WPA key that uses DHCP, is there a way to Netboot a device ?
[21:12] <meindian523> aveilleux, the upgrade script is available
[21:13] <meindian523> you probably have LTS releases only set in your upgrade cycle
[21:53] <raubvogel> In snmpd, should I configure my stuff in snmpd.local.conf and leave snmpd.conf untouched?
[22:07] <kydan>  Hello all, im trying to do the automated update from 10.04 to 10.10 and its hanging on doing the install at 9 minutes remaining configuring openSSL. Anyone availble to help?
[22:07] <stlsaint> kydan: how long has it been stuck there?
[22:08] <kydan> the last entry in the Terminal window for the upgrade says: Installing new version of the config file /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.cupsd
[22:08] <kydan> umm well I left for about 45 minutes when it said nine minutes left
[22:08] <kydan> and came back to my desk and its still working onstalling a config file
[22:08] <kydan> which...should be rather quick
[22:08] <kydan> on installing*
[22:11] <kydan> stlsaint: I wonder if it may have something to do with my hacked on version on Novell iPrint, as I did notice that my iPrint printer disappeared and it looks like its doing something with the cups daemon
[22:12] <kydan> stlsaint: but at this point I dont think its giong to be moving anywhere...whats the safest way to start the upgrade again?
[22:19] <stlsaint> reboot and start again
[22:20] <stlsaint> thebwt: W00t!!
[22:21] <kydan> stlsaint: well, that was my original idea, but I didnt want to be too rash!
[22:22] <thebwt> heya stlsaint


[06:33] <ion_> http://heh.fi/tmp/kineia-20071118
[20:10] <ion_> http://heh.fi/tmp/kineia-20071118c The object contains a color gradient from (0,0,0) to (0,0,1). “Exposure” has been set so that the value 0.5 is rendered with 100% brightness. Thus the right half of the object is overexposed. (Glow has been turned off.)


[09:23] <inetpro> good mornings everybody
[14:42] <pavlushka> o/ Kilos
[14:52] <pavlushka> Kilos: why you are not registered?
[16:30] <Kilos> where pavlushka
[16:31] <Kilos> greetings everyone
[16:31] <pavlushka> Kilos: I didn't waved to you in the last meeting and wasn't very responsive lately, I am sorry, I have my hard times :)
[16:32] <Kilos> sorry to hear that lad. where must i register
[16:32] <Kilos> i ave been quiet as well. still at a friends in PTA waiting for ian to get time to fetch me
[16:33] <Kilos> my H key is broken so i struggle, and no sound alerts either


[04:20] <micahg> Laney: opencv finished, I'm testing wallch with the changes
[04:25] <micahg> lenios: so, asm3 doesn't even build in oneiric
[04:40] <micahg> Laney: new opencv uploaded, so in ~5-6 hours you should be able to retry your build
[04:40] <micahg> Laney: I mean no-change-rebuild opencv, not new :)
[06:44] <dholbach> good morning
[08:15] <Laney> micahg: oh, cool. wallch worked then
[08:16] <Laney> ?
[08:16] <micahg> Laney: hmm, failed in LP worked locally, maybe it didn't publish, trying again
[08:19] <Laney> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=641670
[08:19]  * Laney giggles
[08:31] <micahg> Laney: wallch finished, so go ahead and retry yours
[08:31] <Laney> okey dokes
[08:33] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdecodeqr/0.9.3-5ubuntu1/+build/2784201
[08:33] <Laney> keep an eagle eye out
[08:34] <micahg> we
[08:34] <micahg> err, we'll see how much longer I'm awake, but will check in the morning
[08:45] <lenios> build of asm3 lacking mh_clean...
[08:50] <Laney> micahg: yeah, looks like it worked
[08:50] <Laney> good call
[08:50] <micahg> awesome
[08:55] <lenios> i can get the latest asm3 build, but i need to remove the mh_clean added in debian/rules (which is said to clean up after the maven helpers)
[09:00] <lenios> looks like maven-repo-helper >= 1.5 is needed to use mh_clean
[09:00] <lenios> and oneiric only have 1.2
[09:09] <micahg> so, basically eclipse needs to go in a PPA for oneiric
[09:09] <lenios> wait, maven-repo-helper is actually 1.5.2 in oneiric
[09:11] <lenios> i think i can put it in my ppa
[09:14] <lenios> what i don't know is why asm3 building is not finding maven-repo-helper even if it's in Build-Depends-Indep. I do have to install the package on my machine
[09:29] <Laney> how are you building it?
[09:31] <lenios> i install maven-repo-helper (i don't know why it doesn't work without it), and then use pbuilder and pdebuild
[09:34] <Laney> you sometimes need extra packages to run a clean target
[09:45] <lenios> and how do i specify extra packages when uploading to ppa?
[09:46] <Laney> by "run a clean target" I meant in order to build the source package on your machine
[09:46] <Laney> dpkg-buildpackage -S or similar
[09:47] <Laney> if you need to add extra packages then put them in build-depends(-indep)
[09:50] <Laney> lenios: I just built asm3 and it worked just fine
[09:51] <Laney> try pbuilder build asm3_3.3.2-1.dsc
[09:51] <lenios> there's no problem with 3.3.2?
[09:51] <lenios> you mean 3.2?
[09:52] <lenios> try http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/asm3/asm3_3.3.1-1.dsc
[09:52] <lenios> i don't have any issues with latest ubuntu (3.2) but they added an mh_clean in debian/rules in the 3.3.1
[09:53] <Laney> what release are you trying to build on?
[09:53] <lenios> i dget the debian dsc and try to build on oneiric
[09:53] <lenios> it works... only if i install maven-repo-helper before using pbuilder
[09:54] <Laney> what /exact/ commands are you using?
[09:54] <Laney> 3.3.1 works fine too.
[09:54] <Laney> (I am using sbuild as opposed to pbuilder though)
[09:55] <lenios> using pdebuild with http://pastebin.com/wqz3buBy
[09:58] <Laney> never used it, but I suspect that the problem is you need maven-repo-helper and/or ant installed to build the source package. This happens /outside/ of pbuilder.
[09:58] <lenios> would it work on ppa?
[09:58] <Laney> that's why I suggested just doing pbuilder build ...dsc
[09:59] <Laney> should do
[10:03] <lenios> pbuilder build ...dsc works for me too
[10:03] <Laney> great
[10:03] <Laney> so what happens is that when you build a source package, the clean target from debian/rules is invoked, and sometimes this needs extra packages
[10:04] <lenios> i see
[16:49] <jtaylor> hm how does one do a bzr-merge-upstream when the patches are applied in the branch?
[16:50] <jtaylor> as the new upstream may conflict with the patches
[16:51] <jtaylor> why does bzr do this, it only causes me problems and I don't see any advantage ..
[16:59] <tumbleweed> do what? applied patches?
[16:59] <jtaylor> yes
[17:00] <tumbleweed> because then bzr can manage them. Yes it's currentyl very not-ideal
[17:00] <tumbleweed> eventually they should be managed as a patch queue
[17:12] <jtaylor> gna, what should be a 2 minute operation turns into 30 minutes, screw bzr I'll make a debdiff
[17:13] <tumbleweed> :)
[17:13] <Laney> because of .pc conflicts?
[17:15] <cjwatson> jtaylor: quilt pop -a; bzr merge --force; while quilt push; do quilt refresh; done
[17:15] <jtaylor> yes but verifing the patch is unecessarilty painful
[17:15] <cjwatson> WFM
[17:23] <jtaylor> btw force does nto seem to work with merge-upstream
[17:49] <cjwatson> jtaylor: no - that's a bug I think
[19:26] <micahg> jtaylor: heh, Debian just uploaded a fixed version of tahoe-lafs
[19:26] <jtaylor> yes talk about bad timing ._.
[19:26] <jtaylor> I'll take care of syncing it next cycle
[19:32] <Laney> is there a diff left?
[19:32] <jtaylor> nothing worth syncing
[19:33] <jtaylor> and I don't want to check the package again for screwups ._.
[19:36] <jtaylor> well I might also bug someone from sr to fix it in natty ._.
[19:36] <jtaylor> it never ends with that package
[19:36] <micahg> jtaylor: I was wondering if you fixed that with the security upload
[19:37] <jtaylor> I was thinking about doing it
[19:37] <jtaylor> hmm I should ahve added the missing mock dep ...
[19:38] <micahg> right :)
[19:38] <jtaylor> that only fixes 50% but saves another upload
[19:38] <micahg> jtaylor: what do you mean 50%?
[19:38] <jtaylor> there are two issues
[19:38] <jtaylor> mock is the easy one
[19:39] <jtaylor>  well the one where upstream does not disagree with me
[19:40] <jtaylor> for solving the pycryptopp issue there are two possibilities
[19:40] <jtaylor> the screw some users which have some broken corner case non package managed installation
[19:40] <jtaylor> or update a package in an sru
[21:13]  * ScottK votes SRU
[21:14] <ScottK> Security updates should be a minimal change, so two uploads is appropriate in any case.
[22:37]  * davidsarah catches up
[22:55] <davidsarah> so that's all fixed in http://packages.debian.org/sid/tahoe-lafs 1.8.3-2, right?
[22:58]  * davidsarah checks the Ubuntu packages
[23:06] <davidsarah> hmm. I have tahoe-lafs 1.7.1 installed on Maverick. I run Update Manager and install everything it prompts about. shouldn't that apply the security fix?
[23:06] <davidsarah> it doesn't
[23:06] <davidsarah> I'm not prompted to install any new tahoe-lafs package
[23:09] <ajmitch> davidsarah: pastebin the output of 'apt-cache policy tahoe-lafs' - launchpad says it was published 3 hours ago
[23:10]  * ajmitch can see the package on security.ubuntu.com, too
[23:21] <davidsarah> http://codepad.org/PnsARp1P
[23:21]  * davidsarah looks on security.ubuntu.com
[23:21] <ajmitch> that is the version that was uploaded a few hours ago by jtaylor
[23:21] <davidsarah> really?
[23:21] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tahoe-lafs/1.7.1-0ubuntu1.1
[23:22] <davidsarah> I grepped for the fix
[23:22]  * davidsarah checks they didn't make a mistake doing that
[23:22] <ajmitch> diff between -0ubuntu1 & -0ubuntu1.1 is on the page if you want to check that
[23:24] <davidsarah> oh, it is updated
[23:24] <davidsarah> why didn't my original grep find that?
[23:25]  * ajmitch shrugs
[23:25] <ajmitch> as long as it is really fixed now? :)
[23:26] <davidsarah> still checking
[23:27] <davidsarah> yes, it is fixed
[23:28] <ajmitch> great
[23:28] <davidsarah> but why didn't I see a summary of the update in Update Manager?
[23:28] <ajmitch> I don't know what parts are involved in update manager listing changelogs
[23:30] <davidsarah> it didn't mention that tahoe-lafs was being updated at all
[23:30] <davidsarah> (but it was, because I ran the same 'grep -Rn fills-holes /usr/share/pyshared/allmydata' command before and after running Update Manager, so it had not already been updated)
[23:30] <ajmitch> don't know, sorry, I don't tend to use update-manager
[23:31] <davidsarah> I used it because I figured that is what a non-developer/techie user might use, and I wanted to see what they would see
[23:31] <ajmitch> it could depend on when it had checked for updates, if you'd checked automatically, and if security updates are set to install automatically
[23:32] <davidsarah> I didn't explicitly turn on any automatic updating, and I tend to turn off options like that if I see them
[23:33] <broder> changelogs are fetched from a separate server. there at least used to be a delay between archive publishing and changelog generation. i don't know if there still is
[23:34] <ajmitch> broder: the package should still appear in u-m even if there's no changelog
[23:34] <davidsarah> yes, that's what I thought
[23:34] <broder> summary of the update> i thought you were referring to the description section
[23:34] <ajmitch> "Install security updates without confirmation" is an option in software sources, I don't know if it's the default
[23:35] <davidsarah> I was referring to the top pane
[23:35]  * davidsarah looks whether that is set
[23:35] <broder> you...did click the "check" button, right?
[23:35] <davidsarah> yes
[23:35] <broder> might just have not gotten to your mirror yet
[23:36] <ajmitch> right, but it is installed now, somehow :)
[23:36] <davidsarah> yes, but I'm trying to understand why the package... what ajmitch said
[23:36] <broder> ...oh, i see. that's what i get for not paying attention
[23:37] <ajmitch> so I was trying to figure out if it was silently installed, but I don't know update-manager's behaviour
[23:37] <broder> you could go look in /var/log/apt/
[23:39] <davidsarah> oh, /var/log/apt/history.log does include: tahoe-lafs:amd64 (1.7.1-0ubuntu1, 1.7.1-0ubuntu1.1)
[23:39] <davidsarah> maybe I just missed it in the list of updates


[12:05] <bluesabre> JackFrost: Related to the DBUS, xorg thing... wasn't there something about a dbus package being deprecated and that's why the changes are needed?
[12:07] <Unit193> https://sources.debian.org/src/dbus/1.14.6-1/debian/95dbus_update-activation-env/
[12:07] <Unit193> dbus-x11


[00:00] <leftyfb>    ( cat /etc/os-release ; uname -a ; apt-cache policy firefox ; snap list firefox ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[00:00] <leftyfb> try that
[00:00] <genn> ok
[00:04] <genn> leftyf : its notresponding
[00:04] <genn> nothing hapens
[00:05] <leftyfb> genn: what changes have you made to this default install of ubuntu 22.04?
[00:06] <genn> just updeting and upgrading
[00:06] <genn> nothing more
[00:06] <genn> you know sudo apt update
[00:06] <genn> sudo apt upgrade
[00:07] <leftyfb> genn: run this:    which firefox
[00:07] <leftyfb> what does that give you?
[00:08] <genn> i cant not see de version
[00:08] <leftyfb> what did it return?
[00:09] <genn> just firefox we rowser
[00:09] <leftyfb> copy and paste the results please
[00:09] <genn> ok
[00:12] <genn> https://termbin.com/ae8w
[00:12] <genn> ehler: cannot list snaps: cannot communicate with server: Get http://localhost/v2/snaps?snaps=firefox: dial unix /run/snapd.socket: connect: connection refused
[00:12] <leftyfb> it says you don't have firefox installed
[00:13] <leftyfb> are you sure you didn't remove snap?
[00:13] <leftyfb> or is this some ubuntu derivative that removes snap?
[00:13] <leftyfb> wait
[00:14] <leftyfb> lowlatency kernel?
[00:14] <leftyfb> is this ubuntu studio?
[00:15] <genn> i don't know, i didn't nothing extra becouse i dont hae a Big expirience whit this siste
[00:15] <genn> yes its uuntu studio
[00:16] <leftyfb> genn: I would recommend /join #ubuntu-studio    I'm not sure what defaults they have setup
[00:19] <genn> thank you leftyfb i'll try
[00:23] <orangepi> grato
[02:03] <ooogabogaboga> Can someone confirm if my conspiracy theory is true that george soros is behind ubuntu linux kernel and firefox and brainwashing kids. Ex: firefox pings location data every 5 seconds somewhere doing who knows what and from here on its jeffrey epstein all over again
[02:03] <kotgc> Test
[02:04] <kotgc> Hi, is this the Ubuntu channel?
[02:05] <kotgc> I’m stuck in my iPhone as Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS is booting to a black screen.
[02:06] <kotgc> I’ve tried all these troubleshooting steps: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2494247&p=14174239#post14174239
[02:06] <sem> guiverc, all I can tell you is that on my system (lubuntu 20.04) I get this: $ ls /usr/share/sounds/ ~~ alsa  freedesktop  GNUstep  sf2  sf3   ##also find doesn't find anything with 'desktop' in the name
[02:07] <sem> but I was able to download it from an old archive :)
[02:07] <sem> so all good
[02:08] <guiverc> https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/ubuntu-sounds should be there ; contains these files - https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/all/ubuntu-sounds/filelist
[02:09] <guiverc> Lubuntu doesn't support 20.04 (3 years for flavors), but Ubuntu 20.04 LTS is still supported (with LXQt an alternate desktop)..   I can't recall if I added sound files to this box or not...   i'll do a quick search
[02:11] <guiverc> ubuntu-sounds isn't installed here??  (I'm using Lubuntu/LXQt.. but my box is heavily modified & may have been pulled in with other stuff I added post-install)
[02:11]  * guiverc does have ubuntu-desktop (GNOME) installed.. maybe that's how it was pulled in ...
[03:14] <webchat79> Does anyone experienced the dist-package outdated issue for cloud-init feature, since netplan requires single root permission, but the cloud-init feature NETPLAN_CONFIG_ROOT_READ_ONLY is still disabled in latest dist-package of Ubuntu 22.04 LTS, though the version of cloud-init is 23.3.3.
[04:12] <RickNMortadela> Often people will ask, "Why does the Negro do this?" or "Why did the Negro do that?" It is pretty much akin to asking why dogs bark, why cats climb trees, or why birds fly. They just do — their primitive brains are hard-wired in a manner that is incompatible with Human logic.
[04:12] <RickNMortadela> God only knows what really goes on inside the chimp’s brain-pan, but we can identify certain behaviors that seem to be consistent among the species:
[04:12] <RickNMortadela> 1) "LOOK-A-ME!" This is the basic 24-hour a day / 7 days a week behavior that the Negro employs to get attention.  It is all a ploy to get noticed and stand out from the other members of the Chimp Pack in an attempt to get food, money, or sex.
[04:12] <RickNMortadela> 2) "GIBS-MUH!"  The Negro, suffering from an inferiority complex by nature, is also perpetually lazy and stupid, and therefore blames all of its problems on Whitey — seeking free handouts as a never-ending form of compensation for imagined wrongdoings.
[04:12] <RickNMortadela> 3) "MUH-DIK" This is the primary driver of Negro behavior. Everything to a Negro revolves around sex — whether it’s with an unwilling victim, farm animals, patio furniture, a Brother on the "Down-Low", or a female member of it’s own species.  But, it's still OpenZFS 2.2.0
[07:21] <Kangarooo> what is swap name? swapfile? grep swap /etc/fstab
[07:21] <Kangarooo> /dev/mapper/vgkubuntu-swap_1 none            swap    sw
[07:21] <Kangarooo> in on kubutnu 22.04.3 shows swap
[07:21] <Kangarooo> i did swapoff -a and now cant find what is correct name for swap file
[07:21] <Kangarooo> so i would use the same name not like in tutorials swapfile. maybe now its called just swap?
[07:27] <Kangarooo> did sudo swapoff -a now cant do sudo swapon /swapfile
[07:27] <Kangarooo> maybe different file name?
[07:28] <CosmicDJ> Kangarooo: swapon -a ?
[07:30] <Kangarooo> yes thx CosmicDJ . now swapon --show
[07:30] <Kangarooo> NAME      TYPE      SIZE USED PRIO
[07:30] <Kangarooo> /dev/dm-2 partition 1,9G   0B   -2
[07:30] <Kangarooo> So where is my swap file so i overwrite it not make new named as in tutorials swapfile
[07:37] <CosmicDJ> Kangarooo: you don't have swapfile, you have a logical volume used for swap
[08:14] <V1A> foods
[08:32] <Kangarooo> CosmicDJ: so i cant increase swap? i can add now more swap by making swapfile?
[11:41] <guiverc> Kangarooo, you can use swapfile + swap partition; there maybe a slight overhead cost with 2x swap; but I've used both myself (adding swapfile when I needed extra swap beyond what my swap partition had allocated)
[12:05] <m45faleh> Hi
[12:06] <m45faleh> Hello
[12:20] <lilo_booter> running 22.04 here and just got a new kernel update - going from 6.2.0-39 to 6.5.0-14 - system does not boot with the 6.5.0 kernel - anyone know what's going on?
[12:34] <d3vil> Something went wrong
[12:41] <lilo_booter> d3vil: yup - seems that way...
[12:41] <dgutov> Hopefully you still have a grub entry with the previous kernel
[12:42] <d3vil> lilo_booter: it's just booting old, or new one hands the process? did you check boot log?
[12:42] <lilo_booter> yeah - no problems starting up with the old one
[12:42] <lilo_booter> it's the new one which is broken
[12:44] <ravage> Without any errors messages it is impossible to help you really
[12:44] <d3vil> just enable log output and paste it here
[12:46] <lilo_booter> hmm - i get that - but when i try to boot from the 6.5.0 kernel either as default or in maintenance mode, it just reboots the entire box and goes back to grub - the only way to get a log is when i'm running on the old kernel, and as i said, that one is fine
[12:49] <lotuspsychje> lilo_booter: journalctl -b -1 to track a previous boot
[12:49] <lilo_booter> ah - thanks :)
[12:49] <lotuspsychje> or journalctl --list-boots
[12:50] <d3vil> lotuspsychje: if it reboots before systemd it will be empty
[12:50] <lilo_booter> yup - empty - all i see is 6.2.39 boots going back to december some time
[12:50] <lilo_booter> sorry 6.2.0-39
[12:51] <d3vil> try to add kernel params like panic=0 loglevel=5 and remove such params as quiet etc.
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> ok, then the forward way, press F1 at boot for text mode and see where it gets stuck
[12:51] <lilo_booter> ok - i will have to pick this up after work though - actually kinda in a meeting right now :)
[12:52] <lilo_booter> also tried that, think i saw an error but it flashed up quick and went before i could read it
[12:52] <lilo_booter> thanks for the help guys - will try some reboots in 4 hours or so...
[12:57] <ogra_> lilo_booter, also, #ubuntu-kernel might be able to help ...
[13:08] <lotuspsychje> lilo_booter: maybe bug #2047590 related?
[13:08] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 2047590 in linux (Ubuntu) "6.5.0-14 kernel will not boot" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2047590
[13:21] <ioria> current for mantic is <IP_ADDRESS>.16, the bug is for  6.5.0-14.14 , maybe you need to full-upgrade lilo_booter
[13:23] <lotuspsychje> ioria: he said he's on 22.04?
[13:23] <ioria> oh, ok
[13:24] <lotuspsychje> HWE then
[13:24] <ioria> then he's using jammy-proposed
[13:25] <lotuspsychje> linux-image-generic-hwe-22.04 (<IP_ADDRESS>.14~22.04.7, jammy
[13:26] <ioria> i see
[13:51] <lilo_booter> excellent - thanks for the continued info - but nope, i am not using jammy-poposed
[13:52] <lilo_booter> https://dpaste.com/BZM74FLZ9
[13:53] <lilo_booter> also checked in sources.d dir and no proposed showing up there either
[13:55] <ioria> lilo_booter, and can you boot the previous kernel ?
[14:08] <lilo_booter> ioria: yup - previous kernel is fine
[14:13] <lilo_booter> lotuspsychje: yup - that seems related, but as above, i am running 22.04 (22.04.3 according to /etc/issue), not 23.10 - so it's unclear to me why i would have got this specific kernel upgrade
[14:26] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:27] <ravage> kernel 6.5 is in the  linux-image-generic-hwe-22.04-edge package
[14:27] <ravage> i just got inux-image-generic-hwe-22.04-edge_<IP_ADDRESS>.14~22.04.7_amd64.deb
[14:28] <ravage> will tell you in a moment how my reboot goes
[14:32] <ravage> back on "6.5.0-14-generic #14~22.04.1-Ubuntu". booted fine
[14:37] <lilo_booter> ravage: good to hear
[14:42] <pavlos> my question: https://termbin.com/q08e
[14:43] <toddc> 1234
[14:43] <pavlos> toddc: shhhhh
[14:46] <lilo_booter> pavlos - don't use tabs to align things like that - try with printf like: printf "%8s %4d\n" hello 1
[14:48] <leftyfb> pavlos: lilo_booter is correct. This would also be a perfect question for #bash
[14:48] <pavlos> leftyfb: sorry
[14:48] <pavlos> lilo_booter: ty
[14:49] <lilo_booter> np :)
[14:49] <leftyfb> pavlos: no need to apologize. It's fine to ask here, but it's verymuch focused on bash and the folks in #bash are VERY good, though usually with a bit of an attitude
[14:54] <pragmaticenigma> pavlos: think of the line being broken up into blocks of 5 characters. Each tab will fill the remainder of a block.  If the text does not, the tab will fill in the remainder of the current block. then add one more block.
[15:06] <lbracher> Hello! I'm using Ubuntu 22.04 LTS and recently I'm experiencing a disconnection of almost all my USB devices. I could make them work again by restarting the computer, but even using this I'm not able to use them again. Here's a paste of dmesg with a grep for a USB device, could anyone help me with this? Thanks a lot! https://dpaste.org/UbqSe
[15:08] <leftyfb> lbracher: try adding usbcore.autosuspend=-1 to your kernel parameters
[15:11] <pragmaticenigma> lbracher: Start with unplugging all devices, then add one at a time. The behavior sounds like one of your USB devices might be trying to draw too much power from the computer.
[15:12] <leftyfb> they left
[15:14] <pragmaticenigma> ships passing in the night
[15:17] <lbracher> leftyfb, it worked for some seconds, until it got disconnected 42 seconds after reboot.
[15:17] <pragmaticenigma> lbracher: Start with unplugging all devices, then add one at a time. The behavior sounds like one of your USB devices might be trying to draw too much power from the computer.
[15:18] <lbracher> pragmaticenigma, I'll try that. Thanks!
[15:18] <pragmaticenigma> lbracher: or use a powered USB hub to connect your devices, such as a docking station with an external power supply.
[15:21] <pragmaticenigma> lbracher: or use a powered USB hub to connect your devices, such as a docking station with an external power supply.
[15:22] <lbracher> pragmaticenigma, looks like this is the answer! I'm using a cheap USB ethernet dongle, I decided to not connect it and just connect the mouse and the bluetooth, and it worked! Thanks!
[15:22] <lbracher> It's probably draining so much current
[15:22] <lbracher> I need to buy one that uses external DC current
[15:22] <lbracher> Thanks!
[15:54] <DeeJay2> hi
[15:55] <DeeJay2> I'm running POP OS 22.04 (which is based on Ubuntu 22.04).
[15:55] <DeeJay2> I have a thinkpad P16s Gen2 AMD
[15:55] <pragmaticenigma> !popos | DeeJay2
[15:55] <DeeJay2> I use to work with an external monitor at home and now I'm out of home and notices that I can't work on my internal monitor
[15:56] <DeeJay2> I see that the prompt to decrypt my drive at boot is only showing on the external monitor..
[15:56] <DeeJay2> I can fill my password but I can't see it.
[15:56] <pragmaticenigma> DeeJay2: Support for POP_OS! is not available here. Please stop and read the message ubottu tagged you on
[15:56] <DeeJay2> Even my ttys are on the external monitr...
[15:57] <DeeJay2> can't this part be the same as on ubuntu?
[15:57] <pragmaticenigma> no, if you were to go into #debian and ask about ubuntu, they'd tell you to come here even though Ubuntu is "based" on Debian.
[15:57] <DeeJay2> ok thank you
[16:07] <lilo_booter> oh - i had the same issues which lbracher had with a powered hub - drove me nuts - mouse would suddenly disappear - fixed it with echo -1 > /sys/module/usbcore/parameters/autosuspend
[16:08] <lilo_booter> (well, not just mouse - also jabra, webcam etc - but mouse was the one i noticed most of the time)
[16:17] <derek-shnosh> I'd like to change the default file type in Gnome Text Editor (when I save a new file) to .md from .txt, is this possible?
[16:22] <pragmaticenigma> derek-shnosh: Unlikely, though when creating a file name, if you end it with .md it shouldn't change the file extention or add .txt
[16:23] <derek-shnosh> pragmaticenigma: yeah, was hoping to find a way to default it to .md so I don't have to clear .txt. 99.99% of the time I save/work in .md.
[16:28] <pragmaticenigma> derek-shnosh: I'd choose a different editor that allows you that choice, or doesn't default. You could look into something like VSCodium
[16:29] <derek-shnosh> pragmaticenigma: thanks, I do use VScod* daily, but like to have a more basic editor open for my daily notes/etc.
[17:20] <FKAShinobi_> Does ubuntu have any feature that allows backup to cloud providers?
[17:26] <leftyfb> FKAShinobi_: a quick google search turned up duplicity and restic as both supporting multiple cloud providers
[17:27] <pragmaticenigma> FKAShinobi_: In settings you can also attach your machine to a cloud provider, and just make it a point to save your documents and files in the folders that are sync'd with that service.
[17:28] <neo> j
[17:31] <FKAShinobi_> leftyfb pragmaticenigma: Thank you. Restic is alpha and am unsure if it will be sufficient for a 7TB backup. I'll look at duplicity and attaching the machine to the provider directly. I assume attaching a cloud provider will look like any other mounted fs, correct?
[17:31] <rfm> FKAShinobi_, I just do a "aws s3 sync" to a bucket I've set up to keep a couple versions ...
[17:34] <pragmaticenigma> FKAShinobi_: 7TB? my suggestion may not be the best choice for that much data. I was thinking you were interested in backing up personal documents, photos, and the like. Sounds like you're trying to do a full system backup
[17:35] <pragmaticenigma> (my assumption was thinking you were using something like Google Drive, Microsoft One Drive, Dropbox, or something similar)
[17:35] <FKAShinobi_> pragmaticenigma: Back up a NAS to rebuild it.
[17:40] <johnfg> hi folks
[17:41] <johnfg> Hopefully someone dealt with the vile stuff someone was spewing here on Monday.
[17:41] <leftyfb> FKAShinobi_: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/wd-easystore-8tb-external-usb-3-0-hard-drive-black/6425302.p?skuId=6425302
[17:41] <johnfg> Anyway, for some reason, by 22.04 system sometimes doesn't connect to wifi.
[17:42] <johnfg> When it comes up, it doesn't even show it, and there's no way to start it in settings.  Is this a known problem?
[17:50] <pragmaticenigma> FKAShinobi_: Agreed, do not back up your drive to the cloud for a system rebuilt. I would recommend purchasing a local storage device and save things there. Way too much could go wrong with expecting the cloud provider to be a good custodian of your data while your trying to rebyuild things.
[17:52] <pragmaticenigma> FKAShinobi_: It will save you a lot of money, and then you have a local backup (which you should have anyways) to restore data if something were to go wrong with your server
[17:55] <FKAShinobi_> leftyfb pragmaticenigma: Thank you. I was considering mega.io because it costs ~$21.88 for 8TB storage and 8TB egress. The drive would be helpful for this backup. The NAS is being expanded to 14 TB so would need yet another drive to backup the NAS.
[18:00] <pavlos> toddc: sent email
[18:01] <Guest4090> Hello from IRC server on WSL
[18:01] <pragmaticenigma> FKAShinobi_: The cost looks nice at the beginning, until something doesn't go right and then you're stuck paying a bigger bill for the longer storage time or they have a price increase mid-operation.
[18:01] <FKAShinobi_> pragmaticenigma: Gotcha
[18:09] <arraybolt3> Also mega's file encryption is flawed and insecure, don't rely on them for safety (or any other cloud storage built-in encryption fornthat matter).
[18:09] <arraybolt3> *for that
[18:09] <pragmaticenigma> arraybolt3: you need to qualify that with a reputable resource please
[18:09] <arraybolt3> https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2022/06/mega-claims-it-cant-decrypt-your-files-but-someones-managed-to
[18:09] <pragmaticenigma> thanks
[18:09] <leftyfb> !ot
[18:09] <arraybolt3> pragmaticenigma: don't worry, I was on it :)
[18:10] <arraybolt3> leftyfb: valid
[18:11] <leftyfb> FKAShinobi_: a local storage copy will be quicker by a matter of days
[18:18] <Menzador> Actually I'm going to corollary this: Have MULTIPLE backups. Back it up to multiple places just in case, especially if the data possesses a level of significant importance
[20:07] <sanane> şı
[20:16] <CosmicDJ> is there a page or blog about what's new in kernel 6.5 for 22.04 LTS?
[20:27] <pragmaticenigma> CosmicDJ: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux/
[21:07] <Kangarooo> if in /var/crash/ i have files
[21:07] <Kangarooo> file:///var/crash/_usr_bin_dolphin.1000.crash
[21:07] <Kangarooo> file:///var/crash/_usr_bin_dolphin.1000.upload
[21:07] <Kangarooo> file:///var/crash/_usr_bin_dolphin.1000.uploaded this one is locked
[21:07] <Kangarooo> then they didnt send? because launchpad didnt open. or for some crashes launchpad dont open?
[21:07] <leftyfb> there's no point in sending multiple of the same issue. Just delete them
[21:24] <tomreyn> Kangarooo: crash logs don't go to launchpad, they go to errors.ubuntu.com (via 'daisy'). To see the crashes your system reported so far: xdg-open https://errors.ubuntu.com/user/$(sudo cat /var/lib/whoopsie/whoopsie-id)
[21:26] <magic_ninja> So I had another mouse plugged in earlier. Despite rebooting, the options where still on that mouse.
[21:28] <tomreyn> magic_ninja: i think this is lacking context. you don't seem to have discussed this topic here previously.
[21:30] <pragmaticenigma> magic_ninja: you started your support thread in #kde
[21:30] <magic_ninja> tomreyn, sorry about that, got confused
[21:31] <tomreyn> no worries, i just thought i'd point it out since it looked like a loose thread.
[21:54] <ph88> is it possible to update the mesa driver? how can i do this ?
[22:02] <pragmaticenigma> ph88: Any such thing would result in an unsupported system here. Updates are provided through Ubuntu's package management applications (apt, Ubuntu Software) which used supported package repositories.
[22:03] <ph88> ok i guess i wait for the next release then ^^
[22:06] <pragmaticenigma> ph88: Is there an issue with your computer that has resulted in you thinking you needed an upgraded version?
[22:08] <ph88> yes the graphics freeze and then i have to hit the reset button
[23:00] <JanC> ph88: you should file a bug report for such things; maybe it can be fixed...
[23:02] <pragmaticenigma> don't see how that's helpful JanC , untill someone has taken the time to try and triage to determine if in fact it's a bug, hardware failure, or system resource deficiency
[23:05] <ph88> maybe if it was a bug it is already solved in the new mesa version
[23:06] <pragmaticenigma> ph88: it's quite a leap to go from my graphics freeze, to assuming it's a new driver version required. drivers are just conduits that allow the software to talk to the hardware. there are many layers between what the application shows on the screen down to that driver level that could be the culprit.
[23:10] <ph88> it's not about what an application is showing, the whole screen freezes
[23:11] <pragmaticenigma> ph88: log files are were to start, then escalating to installing trace tools that attempt to capture and log system and kernel faults. There'a also the lack of you describing what you were doing when the graphics froze. Were you playing a game in steam, were you browsing the web, what was running on the computer before you left and came back to find it locked up
[23:13] <ph88> it's likely firefox crashing because of new hardware acceleration capabilities. But a userland program should not be able to crash the graphics like that. I assume driver problem
[23:17] <pragmaticenigma> ph88: did you try disabling hardware acceleration in Firefox? are you running X11 mode or Wayland. You're leaving out a lot of details. If there was a driver problem, you'd be experiencing this issue in multiple places. not just under one program.
[23:17] <ph88> no i didn't try to disable hardware acceleration, that's an idea i could try
[23:17] <ph88> i don't have many details