[12:44] <capagira> is anybody experiencing problems with the tzdata update ?
[12:44] <luigi> WaltzingAlong bash is the command that i do in konsole?
[12:44] <WaltzingAlong> some are packaged nicely by ubuntu ie restricted; the others are packaged by nvidia and are more recent but slightly more difficult to install
[12:44] <WaltzingAlong> luigi: ok
[12:44] <luigi> i want the second one!
[12:45] <luigi> i want to try compiz!
[12:45] <luigi> :-))
[12:45] <F3000> WaltzingAlong: thanks for the help, altho I'm going to reinstall whole thing... *sigh*
[12:45] <WaltzingAlong> luigi: the first should enable compiz too
[12:45] <WaltzingAlong> F3000: but what upgrade is there that you cannot continue? you have gutsy already and aptitude -f install reported no problems
[12:45] <luigi> but with this i cannot use neither tetris!!
[12:46] <WaltzingAlong> F3000: the apt-get -f install you ran or dpkg-configure -a would have taken care of any pieces left over from an upgrade interrupted
[12:47] <capagira> is anybody experiencing problems with the tzdata update ?
[12:47] <KUPA> fuck the police
[12:47] <F3000> WaltzingAlong: there's few things that complain missing pieces, and shutdown seems to take forever (2 errors so far)
[12:47] <stdin> KUPA: watch the language and content
[12:48] <KUPA> suck my dick you whore
[12:48] <stdin> well, that was fun ;)
[12:48] <Ford_Prefect> Wow.
[12:48] <capagira> tzdata update anyone ??
[12:49] <Ford_Prefect> That was an interesting experience for someone who came to #kubuntu for the first time
[12:49] <Ford_Prefect> :)
[12:49] <BluesKaj> some 11 yr old finally got on his mom's pc
[12:50] <stephan> Hey, just discovered konversation.  New here, just wanted to ask, who are you people?
[12:50] <stdin> to tell you the truth, I knew that was going to happen, so I had the kick ready
[12:50] <WaltzingAlong> stephan: same as you i suppose
[12:51] <stdin> stephan: well, you can see the topic when you joined. this is the official kubuntu support channel
[12:51] <smorg> thats good news
[12:51] <smorg> even a 10 year old can install kubuntu
[12:51] <stephan> Oh!, cool I was looking for something like that.
[12:51] <capagira> pls anybody knows how to circumvent the problem with the tzdata update ?
[12:53] <BluesKaj> stephan, we're kubuntu santa's lil helpers :)
[12:53] <stdin> capagira: what problem is that?
[12:53] <capagira> since I tried to update it this morning
[12:53] <BluesKaj> time zone
[12:53] <capagira> I'm having problem with the locales
[12:53] <capagira> the update failed
[12:54] <capagira> do you know if the package is broken ?
[12:54] <stdin> installed fine here
[12:54] <capagira> the configuration fails here
[12:54] <stdin> post it to pastebin and we'll have a look
[12:55] <Daisuke-Ido> why do i always miss the fun ones?
[12:55] <capagira> it fails to set some LC vars
[12:56] <BluesKaj> stdin, this is becoming a problem lately , 3rd or 4th complaint about Time Zone in as many days
[12:56] <stdin> well there was an update today to gutsy-backports
[12:56] <capagira> stdin. I'm sorry post it whereto?
[12:56] <stdin> !paste
[12:56] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[12:58] <capagira> I copied and pasted the errors
[12:58] <capagira> now what?
[12:59] <stdin> post the url here
[12:59] <WaltzingAlong> capagira: submitting it gives a new URL which you share with us
[12:59] <capagira> yup
[12:59] <capagira> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45225/
[12:59] <WaltzingAlong> exactly
[12:59] <capagira> thanks
[13:01] <WaltzingAlong> is        sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales         needed?
[13:01] <eljefe__> I am getting AC3 encoding errors on KMediaFactory.  Does anyone know if this is an FFMPEG issue?
[13:01] <capagira> it was needed after I tried to reinstall tzdata
[13:02] <WaltzingAlong> capagira: but tzdata still fails ? i had a similar issue but only inside a chroot environment
[13:03] <capagira> yep it fails
[13:03] <poison--> mornin guys
[13:07] <BluesKaj> hey poison-- , what's yer poison ? :)
[13:07] <hcbox_> is it possible to virtualize leopard on ubuntu gusty using kvm + qemu ?
[13:09] <ubuntu> hello again....
[13:09] <ubuntu> here i am, for some questions
[13:10] <BluesKaj> ask away
[13:10] <ubuntu> ok
[13:11] <ubuntu> i was not sure if somebody is there
[13:11] <ubuntu> fine
[13:11] <hcbox_> :)
[13:11] <ubuntu> what is the system requirement of ubuntu...
[13:11] <hcbox_> lol :)
[13:11] <ubuntu> ...but don't tell me what is there written
[13:12] <hcbox_> depends of your needs
[13:12] <tomaz> you can install in a 333mhz with no problems,
[13:12] <hcbox_> yes
[13:12] <tomaz> and a 10gb hd.
[13:12] <hcbox_> yes
[13:12] <ubuntu> i have a vm and like to configuarate it
[13:12] <hcbox_> i used for months 10gb for system + home
[13:12] <tomaz> i run it flawessly in a 500mhz in a 2ogb hd.
[13:13] <tomaz> the full system is about 3gb
[13:13] <ubuntu> what is about ram??
[13:13] <ubuntu> how much cost it
[13:13] <tomaz> 64 of ram is enought. but if you have more is a plus.
[13:13] <BluesKaj> 256 minimum
[13:13] <ubuntu> there is a mini of 256
[13:14] <tomaz> with 64 things will be a little ... slow.
[13:14] <BluesKaj> even 128 is slow
[13:14] <tomaz> maybe this will change with kde4.
[13:14] <tomaz> i run with 128 without problems
[13:14] <tomaz> (and without any fancy stuff on the graphics side, of course)
[13:14] <ubuntu> but....what need it to run with full speed
[13:14] <BluesKaj> don't hold your breath about kde4 being faster
[13:15] <poison--> <BluesKaj, for the last two days i leave my computer on all night long, and when i arrive, its freezed
[13:15] <poison--> any ideas
[13:16] <hcbox_> lol  me too, but iit cam from opengl screenssaver
[13:16] <BluesKaj> that's a pretty broad question poison-- , memory leaks or too many processed which amounts to the same thing
[13:17] <BluesKaj> err processes
[13:17] <poison--> well, only thing i leave running is virtualbox running XP and FlashFXP leeching
[13:17] <poison--> weird :(
[13:18] <BluesKaj> poison--, are you running any auto programs on overnight
[13:18] <ubuntu> how much ram i need to run kubuntu 6.10 with fast speed??
[13:18] <posingaspopular> 512 or so I would say ubuntu
[13:19] <posingaspopular> depends on how much you're using the system. if you're doing web browing, music and chat, then i would day 512 is good
[13:19] <posingaspopular> but it really depends on how much applications are open
[13:20] <BluesKaj> poison--, why would you have VB running overnight ?
[13:20] <ubuntu> @posingaspopular    i have a virtuel machine an like to configurate it the right way
[13:21] <ubuntu> @posingaspopular    but i dont want to give to much ram
[13:22] <posingaspopular> ahh im not sure about the requriments for a VM, but i used to run kubuntu 6.10 on my old computer with 512 ram just fine.
[13:22] <ubuntu> @posingaspopular    ok, that sounds fine.
[13:22] <BluesKaj> ubuntu , virtuals love to use up RAM cuz you're running 2 OS's simultaneously
[13:23] <hcbox_> is it possible to virtualize leopard on ubuntu gusty using kvm + qemu ?
[13:23] <baudthief> any way to find out what packages were recently installed? For some reason installing spamassassin broke my compiz-fusion install :\
[13:23] <poison--> <BluesKaj, cause i use FlashFXP alot, and i couldnt make it work with wine
[13:24] <BluesKaj> !patience | hcbox_ we saw your question the first time...perhaps you might ask in #ubuntu
[13:24] <ubotu> hcbox_ we saw your question the first time...perhaps you might ask in #ubuntu: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[13:25] <gnomefreak> hcbox_: if it is a ppc/mac box yes if not theres alot of hacking you have to do and it is not supported at all
[13:27] <BluesKaj> sorry poison-- dunno anything about FlashFXP :(
[13:27] <gnomefreak> baudthief: there is a log in /var/log/dpkg.log
[13:28] <Downix> hcbox_:  heck, getting a Mac DVD to mount is a challenge enough.  I can't even get my Mac to mount my OS X CD to upgrade OS 9 to OS X.
[13:28] <gnomefreak> baudthief: you might want to look in dpkg.log.1 and or .2 as well
[13:28] <gnomefreak> baudthief: dpkg.log is latest
[13:31] <gnomefreak> poison--: more than likely i would say no it will not work in wine, please see #winehq for more info on it to see if they got it running and how much hacking they had to do but likely is no it wont work
[13:31] <BluesKaj> Downix, I heard that's a very difficult issue upgrading from 9 to OSX
[13:32] <drarem> ack!  how do I enable preview of jpg's, bmp's, png's, etc..
[13:32] <ActionParsnip> lo all
[13:32]  * ActionParsnip waves
[13:33] <gnomefreak> poison--: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=351841&page=7 for a deb of it
[13:33] <Downix> BluesKaj: I even tried to get Linux here to mount it, and NFS'ing it, but no go
[13:33] <ActionParsnip> drarem: do you use dolphin / konqueror?
[13:33] <drarem> yea yea i went to kcontrol/file manager/behavior or something and enabled system protocol and media protocal local
[13:33] <drarem> konqueror
[13:34] <drarem> also tried nautilus :/
[13:34] <drarem> don't have dolphin i think
[13:34] <drarem> 7.10
[13:34] <poison--> ty gnomefreak
[13:34] <baudthief> My install somehow screwed up, I'm guessing I have to resolve items listed as "half-configured":  http://pastebin.com/m6e0e49f4 (machine crashed out during an update... I think)
[13:34] <gnomefreak> poison--: here you go but not sure how much help these links will be http://www.google.com/search?q=flashfxp+on+ubuntu&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
[13:34] <baudthief> any idea how I can fix that?
[13:35] <stdin> drarem: tried  view -> previews -> images ?
[13:35] <gnomefreak> baudthief: run sudo dpkg --configure -a
[13:35] <gnomefreak> baudthief: if that doesnt help run dist-upgrade again
[13:35] <ActionParsnip> drarem: looks like its in system config
[13:35] <drarem> everything except sound files is checked
[13:35] <ActionParsnip> drarem: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/kcontrol/filemanager/index.html
[13:35] <drarem> btw these are remote files..
[13:36] <drarem> in a network
[13:36] <drarem> going thru smb://
[13:36] <stdin> drarem: Settings > Configure Konqueror -> Previews & Metadata    you have to enable it for the network type
[13:36] <drarem> daaohh
[13:37] <baudthief> gnomefreak: Do I need to reboot / restart X afterwards?
[13:37] <gnomefreak> baudthief: depedns on updates it will tell you if you have to or not
[13:37] <gnomefreak> depends*
[13:38] <gnomefreak> baudthief: if you see X updates hal hald kernel than yes maybe even dbus (cant remember if its hal or dbus that needs it
[13:38] <drarem> what do i enable for that
[13:39] <gnomefreak> drarem: go to Settings >Configure Konq> Previews and enable it
[13:39] <gnomefreak> previews & metadata
[13:39] <baudthief> gnomefreak: thanks!
[13:39] <gnomefreak> atleast that is what stdin meant
[13:39] <gnomefreak> baudthief: ;)
[13:39] <drarem> had to enable smb
[13:40] <stdin> yep
[13:40] <drarem> thanks much
[13:40] <gnomefreak> im not on kde atm so i cant look to see if its right but i trust stdin
[13:40] <stdin> heh :)
[13:43] <tung> Does anyone know how to type vietnamese
[13:45] <emilsedgh> tung: go to systemSettings->Reginal & Language->Keyboard Layout
[13:47] <baudthief> Ok, that didn't work. Help please! Compiz-fusion stopped working after installing a package (spamassassin), on closer inspection 'glxinfo | grep -i direct' returns this: Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"
[13:48] <baudthief> xorg.conf shows the driver in use is indeed nvidia and not nv
[13:48] <Downix> baudthief: do you have MESA installed?
[13:49] <stdin> baudthief: and you have "Load    "glx"" in "Section "Module"" ?
[13:49] <baudthief> stdin: yes, as far as I can tell, xorg.conf wasn't modified
[13:50] <baudthief> Downix: I don't know what that is
[13:51] <Downix> baudthief: It's the 3D interface for the system.
[13:51] <tung> how can I make firefox the default web browser in kubuntu
[13:51] <baudthief> Downix: If it's a necessity, It must've been installed - I havent removed anything matching that, so maybe it broke somehow?
[13:53] <stdin> !default
[13:53] <ubotu> To change the default application for a filetype in Nautilus, right-click on a file, select Properties -> Open With, and then change the setting. In Kubuntu, Konqueror -> Settings -> Configure and then hit "File Associations"
[13:53] <Downix> I've had it "forget" to install before, but that was during feisty.
[13:53] <stdin> tung: System Settings > Default Applications
[13:54] <tung> thanks
[13:54] <baudthief> Downix: libgl1-mesa-dev, libgl1-mesa-dri, libgl1-mesa-glx, libglu1-mesa... among others appear to be installed
[13:54] <BluesKaj> tung, in the konsole type: sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser , choose the number of the browser..also you should also change or make sure FF is the default in system settings
[13:55] <Downix> ok, that was my main guess
[13:56] <baudthief> Would reinstalling nvidia's driver help?
[13:57] <WaltzingAlong> baudthief: start with the x log /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[13:58] <gnomefreak> baudthief: use restricted-manager to set up drivers if you have to remove nvidia-glx-* what ever one you need for cvard
[13:58] <gnomefreak> card*
[13:58] <gnomefreak> it will automagicly set up and add lines to xorg.conf as needed
[13:59] <baudthief> WaltzingAlong: Checked the log file specified, does indeed contain warnings about failing to init GLX and suggests a reinstallation of the driver
[14:00] <WaltzingAlong> baudthief: see gnomefreak's comment ^^
[14:00]  * genii sips on a large black coffee
[14:00] <baudthief> gnomefreak: restricted-manager only shows me a tickbox (or rather, a crossbox) next to the NVIDIA accelerated ... driver, am I just unticking, reboot, then reticking?
[14:01] <baudthief> couldn't see any other configurable options
[14:01]  * WaltzingAlong just finished his double mocha, ;) thought you might like to know genii
[14:01] <WaltzingAlong> baudthief: sure
[14:01] <baudthief> alright, i'll give it a shot
[14:01] <baudthief> if this breaks, you're all going to hell :P{
[14:01] <genii> WaltzingAlong: :)
[14:02] <WaltzingAlong> baudthief: :D ok
[14:02] <tung> when kubuntu start, there is no splash screen (loading screen)
[14:03] <tung> I has reinstalled many times but the same issue happens
[14:04] <gnomefreak> tung: usplash?
[14:04] <tung> I tried it too
[14:04] <gnomefreak> the one that just says kubuntu after you choose kernel in grub?
[14:04] <gnomefreak> or the one after you log in to kdm?
[14:04] <tung> the second
[14:05] <gnomefreak> tung: did you go into settings and set one? does it work than?
[14:06]  * gnomefreak cant think of menu item atm but i think its "settings"
[14:06] <genii> sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so
[14:06] <tung> can you show me
[14:06] <genii> ^tung
[14:06] <gnomefreak> genii: its not usplash
[14:07] <gnomefreak> genii: its the splash screen after kdm
[14:07] <genii> gnomefreak: Ah, my bad then :)
[14:07] <gnomefreak> tung: click on the Kmenu and choose settings or configuration cant think of it but it should be a top level menu item
[14:08] <tung> the splash screen after i choose kubuntu in grub doesn't load
[14:08] <genii> I'm having a caffeine deficiency this morning
[14:08] <gnomefreak> tung: so its before you log in at kdm?
[14:09] <Arelis> what's a good IRC client for KDE?
[14:09]  * WaltzingAlong passes genii a keg of black coffee
[14:09] <WaltzingAlong> !info konversation | Arelis
[14:09] <ubotu> arelis: konversation: user friendly Internet Relay Chat (IRC) client for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 1.0.1-4ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 5034 kB, installed size 12988 kB
[14:09]  * genii gulps some down
[14:09] <gnomefreak> 09:04 <      gnomefreak > the one that just says kubuntu after you choose  kernel in grub?
[14:09] <gnomefreak> 09:04 <      gnomefreak > or the one after you log in to kdm?
[14:09] <gnomefreak> 09:04 <            tung > the second
[14:09] <gnomefreak> is it first or second?
[14:09] <tung> the one after i choose kubuntu in grub
[14:10] <gnomefreak> tung: see genii command above and please post output
[14:10] <tung> this problem not happen in feisty
[14:10] <gnomefreak> genii: you were right but you see with my paste why i thought it was other
[14:11] <genii> gnomefreak: Yup :)
[14:11] <gnomefreak> tung: your not using feisty anymore
[14:11] <tung> i am using gusty
[14:11] <gnomefreak> tung: i know and you cant compare the 2 of them work with what you have only
[14:11] <gnomefreak> tung: please post output from the update-alrternatives command
[14:11] <gnomefreak> alternatives
[14:12] <gnomefreak> tung: also please pastebin the contents in /etc/usplash.conf
[14:13] <tung> There is only 1 program which provides usplash-artwork.so
[14:13] <tung> (/usr/lib/usplash/usplash-theme-kubuntu.so). Nothing to configure.
[14:13] <gnomefreak> ok
[14:14] <gnomefreak> tung: does kdm finally load?
[14:14] <tung> yes
[14:14] <gnomefreak> than most likely its the res you have set in /etc/usplash.conf
[14:15] <genii> bah work. AFK
[14:15] <gnomefreak> tung: does it have same settings as # Usplash configuration file
[14:15] <gnomefreak> xres=1024
[14:15] <gnomefreak> yres=768
[14:15] <gnomefreak> and does your card/monitor support that res?
[14:16] <tung> wait a minute
[14:16] <gnomefreak> genii: eh this is easy work
[14:16] <tung> # Usplash configuration file
[14:16] <tung> xres=1280
[14:16] <tung> yres=1024
[14:17] <JackWinter> hiya, how do i get konqueror to play music on myspace? i've got flash installed, and working on youtube
[14:17] <gnomefreak> tung: please change it to use same as mine. you will need sudo or kdesu to edit it
[14:18] <gnomefreak> tung: than restart after saving changes and let me know if it worked (it should)
[14:18] <tung> can you explain why i have to change the resolution
[14:18] <tung> gnomefreak
[14:19] <baudthief> ok, you're all going to hell. X/KDM will no longer start, and I'm forced to IRC via bitchX :P
[14:19] <gnomefreak> tung: its not your screen res you are changing its the usplash res you are changing, its due to new colors that they are using with usplash
[14:19] <tung> thanks
[14:19] <gnomefreak> baudthief: what video card? and what drivers do you have installed?
[14:20] <baudthief> gnomefreak: nVidia 7600GS, installed as suggested using restricted manager. Disabling was fine, I reboot, and re-enabled the driver as suggested. It installed, I reboot, then BAM! no more X
[14:20] <gnomefreak> baudthief: please pastebin your /var/log/xorg.0.log
[14:20] <genii> back
[14:20] <gnomefreak> baudthief: there has to be errors and im not so sure 7600 is bug free yet
[14:20] <baudthief> I have no idea how to do that without a desktop lol - I dont know if I should even attempt it using lynx
[14:21] <bw__> hello where can i deactivate that my vsftpd server doesnt start anymore when i start my system?
[14:21] <gnomefreak> ok baudthief cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log and tell me wha tthe errors are they will be the ones with the E next to them
[14:21] <baudthief> gnomefreak: It was working before lol. Now I have no desktop effects, no spamfilter and worse yet... NO DESKTOP!
[14:22] <baudthief> alright, 1 sec, thanks for helping out
[14:22] <gnomefreak> baudthief: easy enough to fix for now until we get it working ;)
[14:22]  * gnomefreak has this strange feeling you are using or have used the nvidia drivers from their website
[14:22] <gnomefreak> or used envy
[14:23] <bw__>  hello where can i deactivate that my vsftpd server doesnt start anymore when i start my system?
[14:23] <genii> bw__: Is there an entry in /etc/default  which says vsftpd?
[14:23] <gnomefreak> but still 7600 wasnt ever well known for working all that great
[14:23] <bw__> one minute
[14:23] <bw__> seems that the file is empty
[14:24] <gnomefreak> brb smoke
[14:24] <bw__> no its a directory no ther is no vsftpd file
[14:25] <genii> bw__: does /etc/default/vsftpd  exist, rather
[14:25] <bw__> no
[14:25] <bw__>  doesnt exist
[14:25] <genii> bw__: You don't want to uninstall it, just to make it not run?
[14:26] <baudthief> gnomefreak: I did use those drivers before heh, since the drivers from the repositry crashed and burned a bit like now. I couldnt get much useful information from that logfile you requested, so I uploaded it via ftp here: http://www.horizons-edge.com.au/Xorg.0.txt
[14:26] <bw__> but it exists in /etc/init.d
[14:26] <genii> bw__: Yes, you can make the startup file there non-executable and then it won't run.
[14:26] <bw__> na i just want to start and stop it by myself and not during system start
[14:26] <baudthief> gnomefreak: Using the shell this much reminds me of days when you'd spend all night on the internet and only get to see two women :P
[14:27] <bw__> but when i want to start it i have to make it exec again?
[14:27] <genii> bw__: That would be the fastest/dirty way, yes
[14:28] <bw__> but thats circuitous
[14:29] <bw__> is it because all files in etc/init.d are executed during system start?
[14:30] <genii> bw__: It may have an atry in kmenu..system settings..Advanced tab..System Services
[14:30] <genii> *entry
[14:30] <JackWinter> where do i go for konqueror help in kubuntu?
[14:30] <genii> bw__: Yes, all the entries in /etc/init.d are to  normally be executed when system starts up
[14:31] <bw__> yes there is an entry i just deactivate it thx
[14:33] <gnomefreak> baudthief: i have a feeling about something (with nvidia drivers from envy/nvidia.com you have to rebuild for ever kernel update
[14:34] <gnomefreak> baudthief: from what i see nvidia drivers are not installed at all
[14:34] <baudthief> well... I just tried installing nvidia drivers from the website, it just did the same thing as its doing now... It recompiled also
[14:34] <genii> can swap nvidia to nv for the moment
[14:35] <genii> (to get operational)
[14:36] <gnomefreak> baudthief: make sure xorg.conf is ok you might want to edit that file and set drivers to vesa for now so you get gui
[14:36] <BaudThiefX> gnomefreak: One step ahead heh, I replaced all "nvidia" with "nv", and am now in X
[14:36] <gnomefreak> BaudThiefX: that works too
[14:36] <BaudThiefX> keeping my other nick on BitchX in shell just in case ;p
[14:37] <BaudThiefX> Any idea how i'd fix this mess?
[14:37] <gnomefreak> use that for now i will sign in from windows when i get a chance to help more, start with using the uninstall option from nvidia script
[14:37] <bw__> does someone know how to see on a vsftpd server e.g how many people are on it and e.g. how much bandwith they use and a few other things??
[14:37] <gnomefreak> i have a few ideas ;)
[14:37] <gnomefreak> but im in middle of cooking atm
[14:37] <BaudThiefX> haha alright - it's 1.30am here, so I'm sort of in the middle of sleeping ;p
[14:39] <jthomas> Anyone able to egt KMediaFactory to function with a slideshow?  I always get errors at 99% when encoding to audio to ac3
[14:39] <genii> JackWinter: Inside konqueror there is a simple tutorial/help. Go to Help..Konqueror introduction (on top menu selections) then in the Konqueror pane there is a link called "An Introduction to Konqueror" which you can click. it gioves an pverview and some tips, etc
[14:39] <genii> Bleh typos
[14:40] <bw__> does someone know how to see on a vsftpd server e.g how many people are on it and e.g. how much bandwith they use and a few other things??
[14:43] <VulcanRidr> One of the minor irritants about Kubuntu (I've been running it since Feisty) is that KDE doesn't seem to remember whats running or which desktop it was running on. In Debian, I can shut down X, and when I restart, it will put my terminal windows on desktop 1, my browser on desktop 2, and so forth. Kubuntu doesn't do this, and in fact, half the time doesn't seem to remember all of what I had running in the last session. Is there a fix for this?
[14:44] <JackWinter> genii: i know konqueror pretty well, have been using it for a while as my main browser.  have a problem with the flashplayer in myspace though?
[14:46] <genii> JackWinter: Ah, OK :) About that issue i have no immediate ideas
[14:47] <genii> bw__: There seems to be a (fedora-centric) post about monitoring vsftpd here: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-88255.html
[14:47] <genii> bw__: At the last post is a workable method
[14:47] <JackWinter> genii: it works fine in firefox, but i really like konqueror & would like to use it for everything.  normally i wouldn't frequent myspace, but since i'm a musician ;-)
[14:48] <genii> JackWinter: At this time i'm not sure there is a flash plugin for konq
[14:48] <Arelis> how do i get kickoff in kubuntu? or is there another KDE menu replacement?
[14:48] <genii> Perhaps gnash is kio compliant, but i do not know
[14:48] <bazhang> kbfx is nice Arelis
[14:49] <JackWinter> genii: i installed konqueror-nsplugins and the flashplayer.  works in youtube.  don't think it is a ubuntu problem because i had the same on opensuse
[14:50] <genii> JackWinter: Perhaps try: sudo apt-get install konqueror-plugin-gnash
[14:51] <JackWinter> genii: maybe i'll try that.
[14:53] <genii> It could be a user-agent thing, especially as it's myspace (MS)
[14:53] <hydrogen> !kickoff
[14:53] <WaltzingAlong> !info squid
[14:54] <ubotu> Kickoff is a new KDE menu replacement developed by openSUSE. See http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2331
[14:54] <ubotu> squid: Internet object cache (WWW proxy cache). In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.14-1ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 627 kB, installed size 1580 kB
[14:57] <genii> JackWinter: Maybe for kicks change the Browser Identification to Firefox 1.5.x or MS IE 5.x
[14:58] <Norgur> Hi
[14:59] <jthomas> anyone have issues with FFMPEG in Gutsy?  Every program which depends on it seems to be broken.
[15:02] <bazhang> jthomas: what problems you having?
[15:03] <jthomas> KMediaFactory and QDVDAuthor both crash when using FFMPEG for audio, even if I don't have audio in the project
[15:03] <jthomas> KDEnlive doesn't export properly
[15:04] <jthomas> top of my head, thats all I've got.
[15:06] <WM15121957> hi all
[15:07] <hydrogen> xauth:  error in locking authority file /home/kde-devel/.Xauthority <-- wut?
[15:11] <bazhang> jthomas: lots of issues with kmediafactory and ffmpeg/imagemagick reported linux wide, some workarounds apparently at ubuntuforums.org
[15:11] <jthomas> hmmm
[15:11] <jthomas> ok thanks
[15:11] <bazhang> not sure about qdvd though--will look a bit more
[15:12] <WM15121957> hallo, ich möchte meine kubuntu dvd die ich auf die platte kopiert habe, als paaketquelle anmelden, sodass ich bei änderungen nicht immer die dvd einlegen muss, bin für jede hilfe dankbar!
[15:12] <jthomas> i'll dig more for them then.  i wish they'd just release fixed packages and newer packages/releases for *buntu rather than the updates-only like we have now.  Thanks.
[15:12] <bazhang> cheers
[15:12] <jthomas> bazhang: i have to leave for a while, don't sweat it too much unless you're bored.  thanks again.  i'll be back in a few hours probably.
[15:13] <bazhang> jthomas: I want to know too--those look like way cool apps I didn't know about--thanks!
[15:13] <jthomas> ;)
[15:14] <DaSkreech> Wait I missed cool? What happened?
[15:14] <bazhang> haha
[15:14] <bazhang> kmediafactory and qdvdauthor and ffmpeg screwing up--that's all
[15:15] <DaSkreech> !info qdvdauthor
[15:15] <ubotu> qdvdauthor: GUI frontend for dvdauthor and other related tools. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.0.0~rc1-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 3694 kB, installed size 7620 kB
[15:15] <DaSkreech> Duh :)
[15:15] <DaSkreech> !dvdauthor
[15:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dvdauthor - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:15]  * DaSkreech laughs
[15:15] <DaSkreech> !info dvdauthor
[15:15] <ubotu> dvdauthor: create DVD-Video file system. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.14-1build1 (gutsy), package size 155 kB, installed size 392 kB
[15:16] <WM15121957> danke,  nicht alle auf einmal, einer hätte gereicht
[15:16] <DaSkreech> !de
[15:16] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[15:16] <DaSkreech> Wait
[15:19]  * genii hands BluesKaj a large coffee
[15:19] <BluesKaj> hiya genii, thx :)
[15:20] <genii> BluesKaj: :)
[15:20] <WaltzingAlong> !info devede
[15:20] <ubotu> devede: program to create video DVDs. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 2.13-0.0 (gutsy), package size 741 kB, installed size 1700 kB
[15:21]  * DaSkreech tops up genii with some of that high grade stuff
[15:21] <genii> DaSkreech: Thanks, I need it today
[15:21] <genii> jet fuel
[15:23] <tobi_> hi
[15:23] <tobi_> kann mir jemand bei einem Wlan Stick Problem helfen??
[15:24] <TheTobi> huhu
[15:24] <BluesKaj> hmm, tried installing the recommended ati driver following the wiki guide at :http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Gutsy_Installation_Guide#Method_2:_Install_the_8.42.3_Driver_Manually   ..however fglrxinfo now gives me this error : fglrxinfo: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory ... there's a subset instruction guide for 64bit users (which i used)  how to fix this ?
[15:25] <TheTobi> is this an English Channel??
[15:25] <BluesKaj> I hope so :)
[15:26] <TheTobi> i don't know
[15:26] <BluesKaj> !se | TheTobi
[15:26] <ubotu> TheTobi: Svensk Ubuntu- och Kubuntusupport hittar du pa #ubuntu-se resp. #kubuntu-se
[15:27] <BluesKaj> dansk, svensk , norsk  ?
[15:27] <DaSkreech> that's Swedish ?
[15:27] <BluesKaj> no don't think so
[15:27] <genii> BluesKaj: I had similar error, I just made a symlink to the mesa libGL in same dir (I think name is libGL.so)
[15:27] <BluesKaj> could be dutch
[15:28] <genii> german
[15:28] <icewaterman> how can i make gcc 4.2 the default compiler?
[15:28] <genii> !de
[15:28] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[15:28] <JackWinter> genii: i tried changing the identification, didn't help.  gonna go to #kde & see if they can help. thanks for your time
[15:29] <genii> JackWinter: OK. Sorry not to have resolved the issue
[15:31] <DaSkreech> genii: It's german?
[15:32] <genii> DaSkreech: Sure looks like it to me helfen=help kan=can    etc
[15:34] <RurouniJones> aye, it is german
[15:34] <icewaterman> genii: it is german
[15:34] <RurouniJones> Dutch has iemand, not jemand
[15:34] <icewaterman> RurouniJones: also i do not speak dutch :)
[15:34] <DaSkreech> Ha ha :)
[15:34] <DaSkreech> Might want to pipe it to him then
[15:34] <DaSkreech> assuming that it is a him
[15:35] <icewaterman> hm, seems he already left for #kubuntu-de
[15:35] <genii> DaSkreech: Yes, he changed nicks then took off already
[15:38] <icewaterman> what the heck does gcc need localization support for?
[15:39] <DaSkreech> Error messages?
[15:42] <abcd> Hello, after clicking on a folder "Can't find MIME type application/octet-stream" error appears. When I click OK folder is opened with Konqueror. I think it happened after I added a new file association in Konqueror settings, then i removed this association, but the error still appears. Anyone could help?
[15:44] <robin_> is Strigi safe to use?
[15:45] <bazhang> Arelis: sure
[15:46] <mikelima> as long as you do not use konqueror...
[15:46] <Arelis> bazhang: is it as good as tracker?
[15:46] <bazhang> Arelis: tracker? not sure what you mean
[15:46] <Arelis> the search utility used in GNOME, in ubuntu
[15:46] <Arelis> GNOME tracker
[15:47] <Arelis> a little like beagle
[15:47]  * Jucato is not sure he would recommend strigi in kde3..
[15:47] <DaSkreech> abcd: Maybe put back the setting you deleted?
[15:49] <Arelis> Jucato: why not?
[15:49] <Jucato> Arelis: there have been reports of strigi eating CPU and battery at times
[15:50] <Jucato> and afaik, it's not as polished as the version of strigi actively developed on KDE4
[15:53] <Arelis> how do i set Dolphin to be the default file manager?
[15:53] <Arelis> Jucato: and okay, guess i will not install it, then
[15:53] <abcd> DaSkreech: The error appeared even before deleting the setting. It started when I created new file association.
[15:53] <Jucato> !d3lphin | Arelis
[15:53] <ubotu> Arelis: Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[15:53] <Jucato> Arelis: just do it in reverse
[15:53] <DaSkreech> abcd: Which file association ?
[15:55] <arash_> Hi, I thought I want to permanently (re)install Kubuntu on a computer, on it I would like to have a virtual machine of windows XP (I don't intend to use it alone), what should I think on before installing anything?, what guides are there?, what important keywords should I know about?
[15:56] <bbeck> Does anyone know how to get rid of the drop shadow for kicker when running compiz?
[15:57] <scheater5_> arash_: that process should be relatively simple.
[15:57] <stdin> bbeck: it's a compiz bug, nothing you can do
[15:57] <abcd> DaSkretch: .rmvb  - I created this file association. The problem seems to be similar to this one:  http://mandrivausers.org/index.php?showtopic=38318&pid=288076&mode=threaded&start=#entry288076
[15:57] <arash_> scheater5_: heh :), sounds good, but I still got many questions unanswered, like must I install Windows XP seperately first?
[15:58] <scheater5_> Arash_; all you need to be sure of is that a) your computer can handle running a virtual machine.  It's more or less running two computers concurrently and can be RAM and processor intensive
[15:58] <scheater5_> arash_: and b) that you have a large enough harddrive for a virtual disk.  Most virtual machines default way of doing things is to create a file which will simulate a drive.
[15:59] <arash_> scheater5_: 512MB, 3GHz, Is that good/bad, maybe I should consider having Windows 2000 instead if it is lighter?
[15:59] <scheater5_> arash_: while you can run Windows from a separate partition or harddrive in a virtual machine, it is not necessary to have an addition install.  All will take place on your (k)ubuntu partition
[15:59] <abcd> DaSkretch: I've paste a bit odd link. This one is more useful: http://mandrivausers.org/index.php?showtopic=38318&pid=288034&mode=threaded&start=#entry288034
[16:00] <WaltzingAlong> arash_: once you get xp in a vm just turn off the pokey gui effects like fade
[16:00] <stdin> you just install kubuntu, then in there you can install one of the virtualization software products (like VMWare or VirtualBox) then install windows inside that software
[16:00] <scheater5_> arash_: nice processor, but you might want to consider a ram upgrade for virtualization - half a gig may not cut it, and upgrades are cheap
[16:01] <stdin> windows eats ram like a hungry hungry hippo
[16:02] <WaltzingAlong> right going from 512mb ram to a gig or two would help a lot more than going from a 1ghz cpu to 2 or 3
[16:02] <scheater5_> arash_: I would somewhat unofficially recommend this: install kubuntu as you normally do.  Make sure there are at least 4 GB of free space on the drive after installation.
[16:02] <arash_> scheater5_: yea, I'll consider it :), also tahnks stdin and waltzingALong, so I can concern about installing a virtual machine after I finished my installation of Kubuntu, but should I have NTFS partitions avaible or anything?
[16:02] <DaSkreech> !tab | abcd
[16:02] <ubotu> abcd: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[16:03] <scheater5_> arash_: then install Virtualbox (or VMware if you're so inclined) via apt-get or synaptic, and it should be relatively self-evident how to proceed from there
[16:03] <arash_> I have 160 GB space, I guess I can have at least 100 GB for media, right?
[16:03] <stdin> arash_: no, just do a normal install, the software will make a file on the disk which will act as a virtual harddrive (which then gets formatted)
[16:03] <WaltzingAlong> arash_: no need. it is virtual. for example vmware will put a file on your ext3/reiserfs filesystem which vmware treats as the hd for windows. in that file windows uses it as ntfs
[16:04] <arash_> VMWare or Virtualbox, is anyone of them better integreted in KDE?
[16:05] <hydrogen> wilton22
[16:05] <hydrogen> tT
[16:05] <scheater5_> arash_: neither one are particularly well integrated - but both of them are decently so.  As I understand it, Vmware is gratis, but not libre - so I am inclined towards VirtualBox
[16:05] <WaltzingAlong> arash_: virtualbox has a free/opensource edition
[16:05] <stdin> arash_: well virtual box will be, vmware uses the GTK interface (that's gnome's) but VirtualBox uses Qt (that's KDE's)
[16:06] <DaSkreech> Is there an association for octet-stream ?
[16:06] <WaltzingAlong> !info qemu
[16:06] <ubotu> qemu: fast processor emulator. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.0-2ubuntu4 (gutsy), package size 4013 kB, installed size 10792 kB (Only available for amd64 i386 powerpc alpha sparc arm armeb armel s390 kfreebsd-i386 kfreebsd-amd64)
[16:06] <arash_> Well, seems like VirtualBox is the way to go :)
[16:06] <Jucato> virtualbox's open source edition has less feaatures of course :)
[16:06] <abcd> DaSkretch: Solution from the mandriva forum helped, but thanks for interest.
[16:06] <arash_> Ok, I check their websites
[16:06] <scheater5_> I dunno that I'd recommend qemu to someone who's never done a virtual machine before - last time I used it, there was no gui I could find to create the virtual drive.
[16:07] <DaSkreech> abcd: What was it?
[16:07] <Jucato> !info qtemu | scheater5_
[16:07] <ubotu> scheater5_: qtemu: graphical user interface for QEMU. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.3-1 (gutsy), package size 568 kB, installed size 960 kB
[16:08] <risto> hi
[16:08] <abcd> DaSkretch: I removed octet-stream.desktop file from "/home/abcd/.kde/share/mimelnk/application" directory.
[16:08] <scheater5_> Jucato: ah, I see.  Is it installed be default when you apt-get or aptitude qemu?  Because if it's not, looking for a front end is not exactly user friendly.
[16:09] <WaltzingAlong> scheater5_: qtemu is not a dependency of qemu
[16:09] <Jucato> scheater5_: you install it separately
[16:09] <Jucato> but vice versa
[16:09] <stdin> scheater5_: you can find it by typing in "qemu" into adept...
[16:09] <WaltzingAlong> scheater5_: so installing qtemu would install qemu as well
[16:10] <scheater5_> I'm not saying I would find it beyond me - but just that it is perhaps not as friendly to someone who has never used virtualization than VirtualBox...but I suppose that's neither here nor there
[16:11] <stdin> qemu is from the age before "virtualization" was a common word
[16:12] <scheater5_> I see.
[16:12] <arash_> Ok, So I just have to get a normal XP CD and I'm on my way?
[16:13] <stdin> arash_: yep, just install windows as normal (but in a virtual machine)
[16:13] <scheater5_> arash_:  yup yup.  After installing your virtualization program of choice, you'll see options to create a new virtual machine (which is, I believe, the exact words VirtualBox uses)
[16:13] <Jucato> (although qemu isn't technically a virtualization app afaik)
[16:13] <arash_> Thanks alot :)
[16:13] <lietu_> any ideas why initially my dualhead setup works fine(in KDM login screen), but when I log in, the other screen dies? this is on kubuntu 7.10, radeon x300, oss "ati" driver and xrandr
[16:14] <risto> what program is used for opening rar files ?
[16:14] <WaltzingAlong> !rar | risto
[16:14] <ubotu> risto: rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[16:16] <DaSkreech> What is qemu?
[16:16] <TimS> !dolphin
[16:16] <ubotu> Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[16:16] <TimS> DaSkreech: Its a emulator for running different operating systems in linux
[16:16] <TimS> !dolphinfix
[16:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dolphinfix - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:17] <Arelis> Is it safe to install KDE 4 to test it out, and then remove it, without causing any trouble in KDE 3 or my system?
[16:17] <TimS> Arelis: I doubt it, you could use the KDE4 LIve CD though
[16:17] <stdin> Arelis: the kde4 package do not interfere with kde3
[16:17] <stdin> it's 150% safe
[16:18] <scheater5_> I'd like to know how that works as well - after installing kde4, how do you log into it?  Is it integrated into the KDM like choosing between Gnome and KDE?
[16:18] <stdin> *cough*
[16:18] <DaSkreech> TimS: How is an emulator different from a virtual machine?
[16:18] <stdin> !kde4
[16:18] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta3.php
[16:18] <Arelis> stdin: does it interfere with any other part of the system?
[16:18] <risto> any help with installing java jdk, if i use package manager then it breaks the install and i don't know why ?
[16:19] <DaSkreech> Arelis: Yes the KDE4 packages are seperate from the KDE3
[16:19] <stdin> Arelis: nope, not at all
[16:19] <DaSkreech> Arelis: though wait a few days for the new ones to come ouot they are much nicer
[16:19] <Arelis> stdin: it won't break -ANYTHING-?
[16:19] <stdin> Arelis: no a thing
[16:19] <TimS> DaSkreech: Its the same thing really
[16:19] <Arelis> DaSkreech: new ones?
[16:19] <DaSkreech> TimS: Ah ok Jucato just said it's not really a virtual machine. Just wanted to see waht it was classified as
[16:20] <stdin> Arelis: it installs to /usr/lib/kde4 way out of the way of the normal kde install in /usr
[16:20] <DaSkreech> Arelis: They have new snapshots of KDE4 every two weeks leading up to the release
[16:20] <stephan> Hi, I'm having some problems with my cdrom drive.  I installed kubuntu 7.10 today, and it worked fine, but now it doesn't detect my CD's.
[16:21] <Arelis> stdin: and, can i remove it easily once installed via Synaptic?
[16:21] <Arelis> or should i do it via aptitude?
[16:21] <stdin> Arelis: synaptic or adept or apt-get or aptitude, any
[16:21] <Arelis> stdin: kde4base?
[16:22] <Arelis> !info kde4
[16:22] <ubotu> Package kde4 does not exist in gutsy
[16:22] <Arelis> !info kde4base
[16:22] <stdin> you can wget the debs and dpkg -i them if you want
[16:22] <ubotu> kde4base: core applications for KDE 4 testing. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.94.0-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 38384 kB, installed size 110060 kB
[16:22] <Arelis> stdin: kde4base?
[16:22] <Arelis> should i install that one?
[16:22] <scheater5_> Speaking of which, not to confuse the convo, but why exactly is it that apt-get seems to be the standard, when aptitude seems more powerful?  Is there some danger in aptitude?
[16:22] <stdin> Arelis: best practice is to "sudo apt-get install kdebase-dev kdebase-workspace" that gets all the packages, also read http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta3.php
[16:22] <WaltzingAlong> scheater5_: follow the instructions for installing kde4beta3, make the files needed for full desktop session www.kubuntu.org
[16:23]  * WaltzingAlong is building kde4svn just now
[16:23] <Arelis> stdin: -dev packages are libraries, right?
[16:23] <trappist> Arelis: headers and libraries, mostly
[16:24] <Arelis> trappist: used to compile?
[16:24] <trappist> Arelis: mostly :)
[16:24] <stdin> Arelis: well in the betas it's not quite, you really do need them to run kde4
[16:24] <Arelis> installing
[16:24] <waylandbill> anyone know if you use a gpl library in a gpl program you develop, do all libraries you might want to use have to be gpl'd as well?
[16:24] <Arelis> hmm, no, takes too long, and don't want to ruin my install
[16:25] <DaSkreech> scheater5_: dpkg is the standard just hat apt-get is older
[16:25] <Arelis> another question: I installed kde-core instead of kubuntu-desktop (which means, only the base of KDE). What apps should i get with it?
[16:25] <trappist> waylandbill: if you want to link to the libraries, I believe the answer is yes
[16:25] <trappist> waylandbill: unless you do your linking at runtime (I think)
[16:26] <waylandbill> trappist: okay
[16:26] <wathek> hello all I've a problem I've a Cups Shared Printer on my Server and when I try to install it on my computer when I try to print a test page I get this error printer "/usr/lib/cups/backend/http failed"
[16:28] <Arelis> stdin: Another question: I installed kde-core instead of kubuntu-desktop (which means, only the base of KDE). What apps should i get with it?
[16:29] <DaSkreech> Arelis: the apps that come with KDE
[16:29] <Xacarith> any one know anything about this      socket.gaierror: (-5, 'No address associated with hostname')
[16:29] <Arelis> DaSkreech: yeah, but i installed kde-core so that's no applications
[16:29] <DaSkreech> ah kde-core Yeah I was thinking kde
[16:29] <WaltzingAlong> Arelis: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/kde-core
[16:30] <stephan> Hey, can someone help me please?  I just installed kubuntu 7.10, and everything went well, but now my CD rom drive doesn't detect my cd's anymore.  Is there some patch I could download for this?
[16:30] <Arelis> WaltzingAlong: Yes but my question was what apps i should install after that
[16:30] <WaltzingAlong> Arelis: the ones you want
[16:31] <Arelis> WaltzingAlong: where can i find a list?
[16:31] <WaltzingAlong> Arelis: adept manager
[16:31] <Arelis> WaltzingAlong: i have synaptic
[16:31] <WaltzingAlong> Arelis: synaptic
[16:32] <Arelis> what should i do in synaptic
[16:32] <Arelis> ?
[16:32] <DaSkreech> Adept is better for that stuff
[16:32] <Arelis> DaSkreech: it certainly is not. i have lots of problems with adept
[16:32] <DaSkreech>  you can just grab the debtags for KDE and filter out all none KDE apps
[16:32] <DaSkreech> I don't know how you do that easily with Synaptic
[16:32] <Arelis> DaSkreech: you select "KDE applications" in the list that's in front of your nose :P
[16:33] <DaSkreech> Ok :)
[16:33] <DaSkreech> well then use synaptic then :)
[16:33] <DaSkreech> Does it have XFCE as well?
[16:34] <Xacarith> ah well
[16:39] <stdin> Arelis: kde-core is just the core of kde, not much there
[16:40] <trappist> I would just sudo aptitude install kde
[16:41] <trappist> apt-cache depends kde to see what that'll grab (it's a bunch of other metapackages)
[16:41] <TimS> stdin: Do you use dolphin?
[16:42] <stdin> TimS: no, I use yakuake
[16:42] <DaSkreech> trappist: is there a way to see waht packages depend on this package?
[16:42] <DaSkreech> rdepends or something ?
[16:42] <WaltzingAlong> !info kde | all of kde; http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/kde-core see here for more on kde/kubuntu-desktop/kde-core
[16:42] <TimS> :P no file manager at all
[16:42] <ubotu> all of kde; http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/kde-core see here for more on kde/kubuntu-desktop/kde-core: kde: the K Desktop Environment official modules. In component universe, is optional. Version 5:47 (gutsy), package size 7 kB, installed size 40 kB
[16:42] <icata> any bulgarians in here?
[16:43] <stdin> TimS: yeah, yakuake + bash or zsh is my file manager
[16:43] <TimS> pah
[16:44] <TimS> I keeep getting the unable to save bookmarks error
[16:44] <stdin> you ran dolphin with kdesu
[16:45] <stdin> TimS: "sudo chown -R $(whoami): ~/.kde" is the fix
[16:45] <TimS> Ah =]
[16:45] <TimS> That should be a factoid, me thinks
[16:46] <DaSkreech> !dolphfix
[16:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dolphfix - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:46] <stdin> well it's a bug with kdesudo
[16:46] <DaSkreech> drat :)
[16:46] <stdin> sorta
[16:46] <stdin> it's actually a bug with sudo, or the implementation with kdesudo, but now I'm confusing myself
[16:46] <trappist> DaSkreech: yes, rdepends
[16:47] <DaSkreech> Ha ha good guess
[16:47] <trappist> :)
[16:47] <Arelis> what is a good program for taking notes in KDE somewhat like tomboy? (and please, no basket, it's development is going very badly)
[16:47] <DaSkreech> !bg
[16:47] <ubotu> опитайте #ubuntu-bg за български потребители . try #ubuntu-bg for bulgarian users, and please idle there patiently
[16:47] <DaSkreech> !bg | io_io_87
[16:47] <ubotu> io_io_87: please see above
[16:48] <trappist> wee, I can see all those bulgarian characters with my shiny new utf-8 support :)
[16:48] <X314> DaSkreech: ironicly "please see above" is in english.
[16:49] <DaSkreech> X314: Well the person asked in English I think they can sort it out :)
[16:49] <X314> DaSkreech: true, but still ;)
[16:49] <DaSkreech> X314: Otherwise I would have redirected it to them
[16:51] <X314> DaSkreech: and they would probably have noticed if something was written in their language. :P
[16:52] <BluesKaj> heh, ok followed the install ATI 8.42 driver tutorial , fglrx gears renders 50 % more fps than the prvious driver (impressive) , but now Google Earth catches signal 11 = crash on launch ... I'm searching the forums for a fix but if anyone has a suggestion pls post it here
[16:53] <DaSkreech> X314: not always. When you come in for support you are probably frantically trying to fix a prblem
[16:53] <DaSkreech> X314: you tend to look away a lot unless someone pings you
[16:53] <Arelis> what is a good program for taking notes in KDE somewhat like tomboy? (and please, no basket, it's development is going very badly)
[16:53] <trappist> Arelis: basket!
[16:54] <trappist> Arelis: I never heard of tomboy, but... have a look at basket
[16:54] <Dr_willis> Arelis,  you could just run tomboy.
[16:54] <stdin> knotes (1)           - Sticky notes application for KDE
[16:54] <trappist> even has kontact integration
[16:54] <DaSkreech> Arelis: How is it going badly?
[16:54] <X314> DaSkreech: that is also true.. ah well, there are always solutions. so its not really a problem :)
[16:54] <Arelis> DaSkreech: read the site
[16:54] <DaSkreech> Arelis: I have a new team has taken over
[16:55] <trappist> Arelis: oops sorry, I got so stoked about basked I didn't even read the end of your question
[16:55] <DaSkreech> That should be I have.
[16:55] <DaSkreech> period A new team has taken over
[16:55] <trappist> *basket
[16:55] <DaSkreech>  they are silent on the website but read the Dev forums and there are rumblings there
[16:55] <TimS> Whats wrong with Basket, I love it
[16:55] <Dr_willis> !info basket
[16:55] <ubotu> basket: a multi-purpose note-taking application for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.2-2build2.1 (gutsy), package size 4854 kB, installed size 7540 kB
[16:55] <TimS>  #basket-devel exists :P
[16:56] <trappist> TimS: Arelis is concerned because the original author has left the project
[16:56] <TimS> He has :o
[16:56] <trappist> yep
[16:56] <TimS> Its one of the best KDE programs]
[16:56] <Arelis> Also because it won't be ported to KDE 4 - i think. It says that on the site
[16:56] <trappist> it's pretty dang nice
[16:56] <TimS> Damn
[16:56] <Dr_willis> I imagine theres a lot of things that wont get ported to kde4
[16:57] <trappist> Arelis: the author won't be porting it, but it's open source and popular.  it'll likely be ported.
[16:57] <arash_> a question about the virtual machine, should I have a firewall on it? or will it not be granted internet access at all? I thought of using VirtualBox
[16:57] <DaSkreech> Arelis: Power of poen source :)
[16:57] <Arelis> trappist: speaking about that: can you still run KDE 3 apps in kde 4?
[16:57] <stdin> arash_: just because it's running in software doesn't mean the OS will be more secure, just that it won't harm your "real" OS
[16:57] <TimS> Yeah
[16:58] <TimS> Corse Arelis :P
[16:58] <trappist> Arelis: don't know, I only ran kde4 for about 5 minutes :)
[16:58] <TimS> You can, you can run GNOME apps in KDE, why wouldnt you beable to run KDE3 ones
[16:58] <arash_> stdin: I was more thinking of that if I have a not 100 procent legal OS, I dont want it to have internet access.
[16:59] <trappist> TimS: you can't run kde2 apps in kde3 afaik
[16:59] <DaSkreech> arash_: just disable the network cards
[16:59] <TimS> trappist: If the right libraries are installed you can
[16:59] <trappist> unless you can figure out how to run multiple versions of qt
[16:59] <trappist> and make all that stuff work
[16:59] <TimS> qt is backwards compatible isnt it?
[17:00] <DaSkreech> kde2 apps sucked anyway :)
[17:00] <stdin> arash_: if you have a license then it's legal, nothing in the MS EULA about not running in a VM (not in the XP EULA).   (you will probably have a license on your PC, so it's technically legal to have a CD for it, but that's off topic for here)
[17:01] <JohnFlux> stdin: didn't they change the EULA license in the latest service pack for XP  something
[17:01] <JohnFlux> or something
[17:01] <trappist> DaSkreech: you wouldn't have said that back in the day, when kde3 was brand new and not all your favorite kde2 apps had been ported
[17:02] <stdin> JohnFlux: they did for vista, but too late for XP (and you'd have to install that service pack to agree to it ;)
[17:02] <TimS> From #KDE:
[17:02] <TimS> [17:00] <TimS> Can you run KDE3 apps, like basKet in KDE4?
[17:02] <TimS> [17:02] <smileaf> TimS: Yes
[17:02] <DaSkreech> I just don't have fond memories of KDE2 I guess
[17:03] <stdin> KDE2 was ok for it's time
[17:03] <stdin> better than gnome anyway
[17:03] <TimS> [17:02] <smileaf> TimS: Likewise you can run terminal apps, gnome apps, etc.. in KDE3 or KDE4, and you can run kde3 or kde4 apps in gnome and any other windowing manager.
[17:03] <TimS> =]
[17:03] <stdin> TimS: as long as you have the libs installed, you can run anything
[17:04] <TimS> Thats what I thought ::P
[17:04] <DaSkreech> stdin: you could say that about KDE*
[17:04] <TimS> :P
[17:04] <combinio> can't change my user avathar while loggin' cuz admin denied that. how can i change it? ...i'm the admin :D
[17:05] <trappist> combinio: that's a lame and long-standing bug.  I forget the solution :)
[17:05] <combinio> have u had any similar problems with that ??
[17:05] <combinio> trappist: crap :/
[17:05] <combinio> trappist: but did u change ? ;>
[17:05] <trappist> combinio: look it up on launchpad, I'm sure it's been reported and someone has probably mentioned a workaround
[17:05] <trappist> combinio: a long time ago, yeah
[17:06] <combinio> trappist: ok, will try to find the solution. thx ;)
[17:06] <WaltzingAlong> its*
[17:07] <DaSkreech> Users have avatars?
[17:07] <DaSkreech> Where?
[17:07] <WaltzingAlong> combinio: kmenu/system settings/advanced/login manager/users and change the user image source
[17:07] <TimS> DaSkreech: Its on the login page if you are in 7.10 or have a user list selected
[17:07] <DaSkreech> oh that
[17:07] <WaltzingAlong> DaSkreech: ^^ or each can set one in the 'about me' in systemsettings
[17:07] <DaSkreech> yeah I changed mine and forgot
[17:08] <DaSkreech> Not nearly as fun when you never login
[17:08] <combinio> WaltzingAlong: trying that.... wait a sec...
[17:08] <TimS> :P
[17:08] <DaSkreech> !ca
[17:08] <ubotu> Canadian Ubuntu users can be found in #ubuntu-ca
[17:08] <DaSkreech> ha ha:)
[17:09] <genii> DaSkreech: Forget it. it's always empty, thats why i hang out here
[17:09] <DaSkreech> You hang out here cause we give you coffee :)
[17:09] <combinio> WaltzingAlong: haha! it looks it works! :D:D
[17:10] <combinio> WaltzingAlong: thaaaaanks a lot, bro! ;)
[17:10] <WaltzingAlong> combinio: cheers
[17:10] <WaltzingAlong> perhaps the default setting there for new installs could be switched to admin,user or user,admin rather than admin only
[17:10] <WaltzingAlong> !us
[17:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about us - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:11] <WaltzingAlong> hm no channel for some of those other americans? ;D
[17:11] <stdin> !loco
[17:11] <ubotu> Information on Ubuntu Local Community Teams is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams
[17:13] <floyd> hey all.
[17:13] <ScorpKing> hy floyd
[17:14] <floyd> does anyone know, if there will be official KDE 4 RC1 packages?
[17:14] <WaltzingAlong> floyd: greetings
[17:14] <stdin> there will
[17:14] <floyd> k
[17:14] <floyd> so i`ve to wait ^^
[17:14] <floyd> thx
[17:15] <stdin> you want it more if you have to wait, that's why we make you :p
[17:16] <floyd> lol
[17:21] <DaSkreech> !za
[17:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about za - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:21] <DaSkreech> Heh
[17:22] <grul> !se
[17:22] <ubotu> Svensk Ubuntu- och Kubuntusupport hittar du pa #ubuntu-se resp. #kubuntu-se
[17:22] <charlesg3> I"m having trouble getting desktop effects / compiz working in gutsy - I have an nvidia card and it's using the nvidia drivers
[17:23] <Tm_T> charlesg3: try #compiz-fusion
[17:23] <kalle> hey guys what should I do when my adept managers database is locked? It says also that another process is using the packaging system database...
[17:24] <WaltzingAlong> !aptfix | kalle
[17:24] <ubotu> kalle: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[17:24] <WaltzingAlong> its*
[17:24] <WaltzingAlong> Kubuntu Gutsy is not shipping with compiz-fusion installed (or enabled). It can still be installed though. Follow the instructions for gutsy at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion . for more, ask in #compiz-fusion & see http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/ | charlesg3; check the channel and wiki
[17:25] <WaltzingAlong> when inserting removable usb media no longer does kde pop up the window that something has been inserted although lsusb shows the device.
[17:26] <WaltzingAlong> !alsa
[17:26] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[17:31] <cap601> If I have a CD in the drive on startup it is automatically mounted by root and so must be unmounted similarly.  Can I stop this happening?
[17:34] <mmschnei> cap601: sure you can, as to how, I am not sure. Does it automount as root if you put it in the drive after you are booted up and logged in?
[17:35] <cap601> It doesn't
[17:35] <mmschnei> ok
[17:35] <mmschnei> well lets try this
[17:35] <mmschnei> well
[17:35] <mmschnei> how well versed in linux are you?
[17:35] <cap601> Not that good
[17:36] <cap601> I've been using it for a month or two now
[17:36] <risto> how to installl java jdk ?
[17:36] <mmschnei> ok, thats fine we can still see what can do
[17:36] <stdin> !java | risto
[17:36] <ubotu> risto: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[17:39] <mmschnei> cap601: still there?
[17:40] <cap601> Yep
[17:40] <mmschnei> ok, well lets give something a try here. And I'll warn you right off that I am not an expert in Ubuntu at all, I have just changed to itmself, but I have used linux for years.
[17:41] <mmschnei> Each distro does somethings differently so I might be a little bit off here, but I should be able to help you out.
[17:41] <mmschnei> And what I am trying will not break your system, but there is a small chance that I might disable automounting all together.
[17:41] <risto> how to installl java jdk ?
[17:41] <mmschnei> which will be fixable, but just thought I'd warn you upfront
[17:41] <cap601> That shouldn't be a problem
[17:41] <mmschnei> risto: is not in synaptic?
[17:42] <mmschnei> cap601: well then lets see what we can do. =)
[17:42] <mmschnei> cap601: do you know what pressing ctrl+alt+f1 does?
[17:42] <mmschnei> dont hit it yet
[17:42] <mmschnei> !
[17:43] <risto> cant install with synaptic
[17:43] <ivan_> hi, pipla
[17:44] <mmschnei> risto: can you find a .deb file for it online?
[17:44] <DaSkreech> !java | risto
[17:44] <ubotu> risto: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre.    KDE4??!
[17:50] <mmschnei> FunnyLookinHat: its a cookie, but you can call it KDE4 if you want.
[17:50] <mmschnei> FunnyLookinHat: KDE4 comes out next month or was slated to, we're all waiting patiently...
[17:50] <cap601> @mmschnei - Not entirely sure
[17:50] <murphy_> who is speaking?
[17:50] <Tm_T> cap601: what isn't sure?
[17:51] <DaSkreech> FunnyLookinHat: You get A CLI KDE4 !! to run on tty1
[17:51] <murphy_> sorry, it is my first time to use this irc!
[17:51] <mmschnei> cap601: ok, well its called TTY1, ctrl+alt+f2 = TTY2, up through F6
[17:51] <DaSkreech> murphy_: Right now you are :)
[17:51] <DaSkreech> !paste | risto
[17:51] <ubotu> risto: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[17:51] <cap601> OK
[17:51] <FunnyLookinHat> DaSkreech, LOL
[17:52] <FunnyLookinHat> CLI KDE4 FTW!
[17:52] <mmschnei> cap601: your current GUI, X, runs on TTY7, with linux you can run multiples on the same machine, logging in with different users and/or different environmetns (kde vs. gnome....)
[17:52] <DaSkreech> Really all I want is a CLI IM and I"m ok
[17:52] <FunnyLookinHat> I don't know about you guys, but I've been waiting since this time last year....
[17:52] <DaSkreech> (with webcam support) :)
[17:52] <cap601> Yep
[17:52] <murphy_> ~~
[17:52] <mmschnei> FunnyLookinHat: I've been waiting far longer than that.
[17:53] <BluesKaj> this error prolly indicates a symlink is required , but i'm not vwery well versed in setting them up : /usr/lib32/googleearth/googleearth-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[17:53]  * DaSkreech is waiting for KDE6.1 The Vista Edition
[17:53] <risto> got this kind of error when try to install java http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45276/
[17:53] <mmschnei> cap601: ok well what I am going to have you do is log in as yoru user on TTY1, and then "kill" your X environment to log you off there as well as stop the things it is running....
[17:54] <mmschnei> wait
[17:54] <BluesKaj> MS-Linux , gawd
[17:54] <mmschnei> cap601: sorry, thats a dumb idea, let me rethink this through... sorry, you said it does mount properly as your user when you insert it after boot?
[17:54] <cap601> Yes
[17:55] <mmschnei> hrmm, ok.
[17:55] <mmschnei> what sort of media are you talking about, a CD?
[17:56] <cap601> Yes
[17:56] <mmschnei> is it currently mounted as root?
[17:56] <cap601> Yes
[17:57] <mmschnei> ok, one second, let me pop one in here to see how its handled on my machine
[17:57] <DaSkreech> risto: That's circular
[17:58] <risto> hm how i get more info ?
[17:59] <mmschnei> cap601: odd mines not automounting, one second, sorry about the delay.
[18:00] <DaSkreech> risto: 64 bit? or 32 Bit install?
[18:01] <FunnyLookinHat> So does anyone else here think that Kubuntu is a conspiracy to make KDE look bad?  It gets so much less dev time than Ubuntu that it's just sad...
[18:01] <SSJ_GZ> FunnyLookinHat: A conspiracy by whom?
[18:01] <FunnyLookinHat> Canonical!
[18:01] <FunnyLookinHat> ;)
[18:02] <risto> 32 bit
[18:02] <SSJ_GZ> FunnyLookinHat: No, otherwise they wouldn't have hired any KDE developers at all.
[18:02] <risto> i don't really know whats wrong, why i can't install java
[18:02] <FunnyLookinHat> It wouldn't be a conspiracy unless they made it at least look like an effort sillies...  Don't you ever watch the X-Files?   : )
[18:02] <mmschnei> FunnyLookinHat: nah, Gnome is just "easier" to use the first time around and its more for those who just need things to work out of the box. Hence why its the default DE.
[18:02] <FunnyLookinHat> But seriously, I hope KDE4 brings a ton of developers to Kubuntu  : )
[18:03] <DaSkreech> FunnyLookinHat: How would that work?
[18:03] <FunnyLookinHat> mmschnei, I guess... except that KDE resembles windows a heck of a lot more so it's easier to transition users to from that environment.
[18:03] <mmschnei> FunnyLookinHat: I carefuly avoided the windows analogy and you went there anyways =P
[18:04] <FunnyLookinHat> DaSkreech, the entire world of linux users is waiting for KDE4 to see if they will switch to it from Gnome...  when they do (and when some of those are dev people) they will inevitably want to help dev Kubuntu
[18:04] <FunnyLookinHat> mmschnei, well it makes sense   : )
[18:04] <mmschnei> cap601: didn't forget about you, still working here =)
[18:04] <FunnyLookinHat> Sorry, this is horribly off topic.
[18:04] <Tm_T> erm
[18:04] <DaSkreech> FunnyLookinHat: Even though openSUSE has a better reputation of support KDE?
[18:04] <mmschnei> FunnyLookinHat: key is for first time users, not just from windows, but to the PC in general.
[18:05] <FunnyLookinHat> mmschnei, Ahhh I see what you are saying.  And yes, studies have been done and found that Gnome is inextricably easy for new computer users.  Which is definitely cool.   : )
[18:05] <DaSkreech> risto: You want the JDK right?
[18:05] <FunnyLookinHat> DaSkreech, yes, but everyone and their kids hate Suse's package management system (when compared to the debian standard)
[18:05] <DaSkreech> Ha ha :)
[18:06] <risto> hm i found a link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sun-java6/+bug/122325
[18:06] <risto> i have same problem
[18:06] <DaSkreech> !info sun-java6-jdk
[18:06] <ubotu> sun-java6-jdk: Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 6. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 6-03-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 9286 kB, installed size 31304 kB
[18:06] <mmschnei> FunnyLookinHat: It reallly is nice, I used it for a few years, but in the end, it does what it does really well, but if I want to do something beyond its scope its very rigid, won't allow me to do things differetnly, KDE can be overwhelming in that regard bc you can configure it thousands of different ways. Its really great once you get the hang of thigns and learn how you want to do thigns your way instead of just the way that it
[18:06] <mmschnei> operates right out of the box.
[18:07] <mmschnei> ok folks, trying to helpsomeone else out here and I've broken something in the process.  =\
[18:07] <mmschnei> I changed something, not sure what, and now when I insert a CD its not being automounted
[18:08] <mmschnei> I think it was when I inserted a blank CD KDE prompted me what I wanted to do, as usual, and I chose do nothing (and set it as the default action). I assumed this was for blank CD's, ever since then non-blank discs are not automounting.
[18:08] <FunnyLookinHat> mmschnei,  That's the kind of thing we need more devs for  :)
[18:08] <mmschnei> FunnyLookinHat: for what?
[18:11] <jjj543k3> I experimented with another distrobution on my system. My original kubuntu partitions are exactly where they were hoewver the new distrobution wrote over grub. I have a kubuntu live cd. Is there and easy way to restore the grub in my kubuntu root partition to the mbr ?
[18:12] <DaSkreech> !grub
[18:12] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[18:12] <DaSkreech> jjj543k3: grub is grub btw
[18:12] <mmschnei> jjj543k3: yes, but I don't know how off hand, google should be able to help you out, sorry trying to help others out right now too.
[18:12] <DaSkreech> jjj543k3: You can have it point at both so you choose at start up
[18:12] <DaSkreech> I'm surprised the other Distro didn't set that up
[18:13] <jjj543k3> it was fedore
[18:13] <jjj543k3> which uses grub, but it doesn't have a normal editable menu .list, any way ille go some googling thanks
[18:13] <mmschnei> cap601: still waiting on me?
[18:14] <lg188> how to make a phyton install ???
[18:14] <mmschnei> jjj543k3: the link posted above titled "lost grub after a windows install" or something should take care of you
[18:14] <lg188> python*
[18:15] <zarath> Hi. When I minimize all active windows by clicking on the Desktop icon on the menu bar and then I launch a single new program, all the windows taht were hidden become active at once again. Is there anyway to prevent this from happening? (i.e. I would like to run a single program and keep all other windows minimized). Using Kubuntu Dapper 6.10.
[18:16] <lg188> zarath:  i don't know that problem ...
[18:17] <mmschnei> zarath: not sure how to do it, but that is the expected behavior, the idea being that if you want access to an icon on your desktop you can click that one button to get there instead of minimizing lots of windows
[18:17] <zarath> lg188, say, I have three windows open. Then I minimize them all at the same time by clicking on the Desktop icon. Then I press alt-space to launch katapult, but at this point all three windows have become active (i.e. maximized) again.
[18:17] <lg188> WaltzingAlong how to install phyton i have the files but i don't know to install them ...
[18:17] <Tm_T> mmmmh, should I compile KDE4 or not
[18:17] <mmschnei> btw, what does katapult do?
[18:17] <mmschnei> Tm_T: go for it!
[18:17] <zarath> mmschnei, I see. Is there no way to keep the windows minimized after I have clicked on that icon?
[18:17] <Tm_T> mmschnei: erm?
[18:18] <lg188> zarath:  i use also dapper 6.10 mby take a other desktop ..
[18:18] <mmschnei> Tm_T: have you compiled KDE before?
[18:18] <zarath> mmschnei, katapult lets you launch programs by typing their name.
[18:18] <lg188> maybe*
[18:18] <Tm_T> mmschnei: not many times
[18:18] <mmschnei> zarath: does it run in the background or is it just a one time deal like pressing alt+f2?
[18:19] <mmschnei> Tm_T: well then go for it, just wanted to make sure you had some idea what you were getting into time wise before you starte
[18:19] <mmschnei> d
[18:19] <zarath> mmschnei, more like a one time deal. e.g. alt+f2, or even unzipping a file that i had saved on the desktop.
[18:19] <Tm_T> mmschnei: why should I go for it? :-P
[18:20] <mmschnei> Tm_T: b/c I would love to hear user impressions of it, so far I have only read impressions from devs (well mainly)
[18:20] <amnesiac_> hello folks
[18:20] <Tm_T> mmschnei: erm, and you thought you would get user impression from me?
[18:20] <mmschnei> Tm_T: and at this point in time its ready for user input on it. There are some bugs that devs'll never find, they don't always do the same thing that users do.
[18:21] <mmschnei> Tm_T: at least somewhat =P
[18:21] <Tm_T> mmschnei: whois me ;)
[18:21] <mmschnei> whois Tm_T
[18:21] <mmschnei> err wrong win
[18:21] <Tm_T> meh
[18:21] <mmschnei> lol
[18:22] <mmschnei> yeah, lol, point taken
[18:22] <mmschnei> =P
[18:22] <mmschnei> Isn't the beta out soon? I haven't read up on it in a while.
[18:23] <lg188> hello don't get off-topic
[18:23] <Tm_T> lg188: meh
[18:24] <lg188> Tm_T: can you help me ...
[18:25] <Tm_T> lg188: what your problem is?
[18:25] <genii> !info phyton
[18:25] <ubotu> Package phyton does not exist in gutsy
[18:25] <genii> hmm
[18:25] <lg188> Tm_T: i need python i have the file
[18:25] <WaltzingAlong> !info python
[18:25] <icewaterman> did anyone try compiling i386 code on amd64 ubuntu with the normal x86_64 gcc?
[18:25] <ubotu> python: An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version). In component main, is important. Version 2.5.1-1ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 137 kB, installed size 600 kB
[18:25] <genii> Ah, python
[18:25] <lg188> files *
[18:25] <Tm_T> lg188: sudo apt-get install python
[18:26] <WaltzingAlong> !info python (dapper)
[18:26] <ubotu> python: An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version). In component main, is important. Version 2.4.2-0ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 125 kB, installed size 532 kB
[18:26] <lg188> i dont have internet conection with that computer
[18:26] <Tm_T> lg188: ok, then, sudo dpkg -i /path/to/package.deb
[18:26] <lg188> i will trie with that...
[18:36] <manoria> #colmar
[18:37] <risto> http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?p=263789#263789
[18:39] <Azzco> Amarok sound lags a bit for me.. What could it be?
[18:39]  * genii sips a coffee
[18:40] <ardchoille> hi genii
[18:40] <genii> Hiya ardchoille
[18:40] <BluesKaj> genii, usr/lib32/googleearth/googleearth-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[18:41] <genii> BluesKaj: did you makea symlink to libGL.so in the dir it is in? (I think something like /usr/lib)
[18:42] <BluesKaj> oops , that's the error when trying to run google-earth from the shell
[18:42] <genii> eg: ln -s /usr/lib/libGL.so /usr/lib/libGL.so.1
[18:43] <genii> BluesKaj: ls there first, it may be the file you need to link to is libGL.so.1.2 or similar instead of just mesa libGL.so
[18:44] <BluesKaj> genii, is that the cmnd you just posted above for a symlink ?
[18:45] <Rukus> anyone know how to enable ATI Control in Gutsy Gibbons for a xpress 200m?
[18:46] <Dr_willis> hmm.. cant say that ive tried that Rukus  the 200m just 'barely' works for me under linux. :) it works..but i just get the basics.
[18:46] <Dr_willis> !find ati
[18:46] <ubotu> Found: binutils-static, foomatic-db, foomatic-db-engine, foomatic-db-gutenprint, foomatic-db-hpijs (and 147 others)
[18:46] <Dr_willis> of course it aint much of a video card. It does play video and does doom/quake ok.
[18:48] <Dr_willis> whats the name of the ati control program? I just see aticonfig
[18:49] <genii> bluesk     bleh no wonder tab completion doesn't work, he left now
[18:49] <Azzco> So no one has any idea why sound in Amarok could lag?
[18:49] <lg188>  no it not work...
[18:52] <Dr_willis> How can you tell its lagging?
[18:53] <Dr_willis> or you mean the sound is lagging in relation to the video?
[18:53] <WaltzingAlong> or that the sound cuts out now and again
[18:53] <Tm_T> Dr_willis: Amarok doesn't play video
[18:53] <Dr_willis> Tm_T,  thats why im confused. :)
[18:54] <Azzco> Dr_willis: The music stops playing for about 1 millie seconds or so sometimes..
[18:55] <Dr_willis> i would check hdparm to be sure dma is enabled on the hd. for a start
[19:01] <lg188>  no it's not working...
[19:13] <lg188> "sudo chmod +x ./thefile" is it right ? ??
[19:14] <ubunturos> ok, so I have to give sun-java5-jdk, jre to my friend as .deb files. Packages.ubuntu.com list dependencies, so shall I download it too and that won't cause problems, right?
[19:15] <ubunturos> however, each package has its own set of dependencies, so, do I download those as well?
[19:16] <stdin> ubunturos: it's better to get them to do "sudo apt-get --print-uris install sun-java5-jdk" to print a list of all the deps they need, then get those on a storage media for them
[19:17] <TimS> Adept has crashed, I dont have permision to kill its proces, what can I do?
[19:17] <stdin> use sudo
[19:17] <ubunturos> stdin: the biggest problem, is I'm on Windows now. Is there some other way on windows?
[19:18] <TimS> what the command to kill a process?
[19:18] <stdin> !aptfix
[19:18] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[19:18] <TimS> Its process 10095
[19:18] <lg188> ???? wtf it is ubuntu & kubuntu
[19:18] <ardchoille> lg188: Read the topic
[19:18] <ubunturos> stdin: and sudo apt-get -d (download) sun-java5-jdk wouldn't work?
[19:18] <TimS> ah
[19:18] <stdin> ubunturos: when they do that command it just prints the list of URLs to get, so they can put that on a floppy or something
[19:19] <ubunturos> stdin: hmm
[19:19] <stdin> ubunturos: the --print-uris option also tells you what to save the file as (as apt will look for certain file names that aren't always the same as the download file names
[19:19] <stdin> *)
[19:19] <lg188> ardchoille: i know but some are talking about windows .. and i hate almost ...
[19:20] <ubunturos> lg188: I'll log off soon
[19:20] <stdin> lg188: they aren't asking for windows support, they want to know how to get some debs for Kubuntu, ergo Kubuntu support
[19:20] <Tm_T> !wtf | lg188
[19:21] <ubotu> lg188: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[19:21] <lg188> how to install python  ??? on Kubuntu
[19:21] <lg188> Tm_T: i dint say any hurting words to anybody
[19:22] <Tm_T> lg188: you did say "wtf" and that is not appropriate
[19:22] <jpatrick> lg188: it already is
[19:22] <stdin> lg188: acronyms like "wtf" are just as bad, and python is already installed
[19:22] <Tm_T> stdin: thank you :)
[19:22] <ubunturos> stdin: one final question, I need to get those packages for feisty fawn and I use dapper drake
[19:23] <stdin> ubunturos: as long as you get the output from the command ran from their computer it will be ok
[19:23] <lg188> okk i get it ...i forgotten taht i said that i'm sorry ..(i have a light version of Alzheimer )
[19:24] <genii> stdin: Also can use an alternate sources.list for feisty, d/l only into a temp /var/cache/apt/archives then transfer it
[19:26] <jhutchins> !easysources
[19:26] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[19:26] <stdin> ubunturos: I guess you can do "sudo apt-get clean" then make a feisty sources.list (say /etc/apt/sources.list.d/feisty.list) and then apt-get -d the package, then copy /var/cache/apt/archives over, but I'm not sure if that will work (never tried), it may do
[19:26] <jhutchins> Also can go directly to the repository and download it.
[19:27] <lg188> but a python editor ....
[19:27] <stdin> just make sure you remove the sources after and run apt-get update again before you use apt/adept
[19:27] <stdin> lg188: kate does python highlighting
[19:28] <lg188> stdin: ohw dint know that
[19:28] <stdin> kate does everything
[19:29] <lg188> ?? kubuntu is at all  platforms the best :)
[19:29] <stdin> highlights C, C++, python, perl, C#, java, .sh ...etc
[19:29] <lg188> stdin: looks a multi one
[19:30] <Chousuke> I don't understand one thing about kate though
[19:30] <stdin> K Advanced Text Editor == KATE
[19:30] <cee> will there be packages available for kde4-rc1 in gutsy?
[19:30] <stdin> cee: there will be, in gutsy-backports
[19:30] <Chousuke> if you have multiple files open, the file viewer colours them completely randomly :P
[19:30] <Chousuke> Does anyone know why?
[19:30] <cee> are there packages in hurdy now?
[19:30] <lg188> i will try to use it ... i wil be back if i don get started
[19:30] <stdin> not randomly, depends on what order you opened them and edit them
[19:31] <Chousuke> well, it looks random
[19:31] <Chousuke> I haven't figured out what the purpose is, so if it's a usability feature, it fails at being obvious. :/
[19:31] <ardchoille> Chousuke: It colours them according to use, the more you view a file, the brighter the colour. You can turn that off, tho
[19:32] <Chousuke> I see.
[19:34] <genii> eg:sudo mkdir /tmp/apt-tmp;sudo mount --bind /tmp/apt-tmp /var/cache/apt/archives;sudo apt-get -c=/etc/feisty.list -d install <somename>;sudo umount /var/cache/apt/archives;cp /tmp/apt-tmp <somewhere>
[19:34] <genii> where feisty.list is alternate sources.list for feisty
[19:34] <genii> Sorry for lag, work called me away
[19:35] <ardchoille> genii: wow, that's pretty cool
[19:35] <kopyto> Je tu někdo česky mluvící?
[19:35] <stdin> !cz
[19:35] <ubotu> České uživatele žádáme, aby mluvili v kanále #ubuntu anglicky. Česky je možno se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Děkujeme.
[19:35] <genii> ardchoille: thanks, i had to figure it out for myself :)
[19:36] <kopyto> děkuji
[19:39] <ardchoille> What is the "s" in drwxrwsr-x  ?
[19:40] <ScorpKing> sticky bit
[19:40] <ScorpKing> !permissions
[19:40] <ardchoille> Ah, so I can write files but only delete files I have written?
[19:40] <ubotu> An explanation of how files and directories are organized on Ubuntu, and how they can be manipulated, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxFilesystemTreeOverview
[19:40] <ardchoille> ScorpKing: ty
[19:41] <ScorpKing> yw
[19:43] <stdin> ardchoille: actually that's sguid, not sticky bit
[19:44] <ScorpKing> ah. i see. ty stdin
[19:44] <DM|> hmm Kubuntu cd works off of 128 mb of ram lol nice
[19:46] <ardchoille> stdin: /var/mail is set to drwxrwsr-x  2 root mail  is this normal?
[19:46] <genii> DM|: Well, at least 192 would be preferable since 128 makes it run like a dog
[19:46] <genii> bah, work calls. AFK
[19:47] <DM|> im just testing some stuff in this old machine
[19:47] <waylandbill> ardchoille: looks reasonable
[19:47] <stdin> ardchoille: well I have it as drwxrwxrwt, but that's because I added the o+w
[19:47] <stdin> ardchoille: and the sticky
[19:47] <ardchoille> ok
[19:47] <slow-motion> hi
[19:48] <stdin> ardchoille: ahh, the default is drwxrwsr-t
[19:48] <stdin> at lease I think :p
[19:48] <waylandbill> I'm not sure I'd set o+w, but that's just me. stdin knows what to do. :)
[19:48] <rami> problems installing tar.gz file.
[19:49] <stdin> waylandbill: it's needed for "Unix Movemail"
[19:49] <stdin> so mail apps can read mail to root@mybox
[19:49] <stdin> like from cron
[19:49] <waylandbill> stdin: I was sure there was a reasoning.
[19:50] <stdin> the +t makes it safer than just o+w
[19:50] <rami> everytime i try ./configure in terminal bash says "file or folder does not exist" what should i do?
[19:50] <stdin> where items inside the directory can be renamed or deleted only by the item's owner, the directory's owner, or the superuser
[19:51] <waylandbill> stdin: right. making it follow the creator. I understand.
[19:51] <stdin> rami: what are you trying to install?
[19:51] <rami> kfreeflight
[19:51] <waylandbill> rami: usually source packages have an INSTALL or README file. did they help any?
[19:51] <ardchoille> stdin: Ok, well I haven't mess with perms on that dir. I added myself to the mail group so I could get system mail using kmail but sometimes kmail can't lock it.
[19:52] <rami> never tried the INSTALL file. hold on....
[19:52] <stdin> ardchoille: that's what my permissions are for, 1777 (i think is the octal)
[19:52] <ardchoille> ok, thank you stdin
[19:52] <trpr> im sure the instructions are in INSTALL ;)
[19:53]  * trpr eyes kfreeflight. Is this in repos? this looks awesome
[19:53] <waylandbill> if it doesn't have configure, INSTALL will probably mention running automake and/or autoconf
[19:53] <vbgunz> does this crash X or restart it for any reason (found in /var/log/messages)? Nov 20 07:37:10 box syslogd 1.4.1#21ubuntu3: restart.
[19:53] <ardchoille> trpr: I looked in the repos, didn't see it
[19:53] <ardchoille> trpr: apt-cache search freeflight
[19:54] <stdin> vbgunz: them messages says that syslog was restarted, nothing else
[19:54] <stdin> happens at reboot or an upgrade (of syslog)
[19:54] <vbgunz> stdin: you sure, cause at that exact time, I am logged out of X :(
[19:55] <vbgunz> X is crashing or something on me. I think it has something to do with VirtualBox but nothing in the VirtualBox logs are helping :(
[19:56] <lg188> ok it works but the problem i don't know a thing about python scripts ...
[19:56] <chaka> need some help to let hostap run with WPA
[19:56] <chaka> any help
[19:56] <stdin> vbgunz: I have "Nov 20 07:38:49 goku syslogd 1.4.1#21ubuntu3: restart." in my messages, my X has been running for 9 days
[19:57] <gandalf> hi does anybody know if there will be kubuntu packages for kde4 rc1?
[19:57] <stdin> yep
[19:58] <rami> this it what happened when i ran configure (too big to paste, but it didnt work)
[19:58] <vbgunz> stdin: my X restarted/crashed just 1 hour ago. I see nothing in messages about it except for the syslogd line. I searched for syslogd and its confusing. no definitive answer on it...
[19:59] <stdin> vbgunz: the X log will be in /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
[19:59] <rami>  so now i dont know what to do....
[19:59] <dev_noob> How do I change desktop resolution in Kubuntu 7.10?
[19:59] <trpr> hm. some packages i fetched w/ apt-get can't be authenticated. what's this mean? the authentication server can't be reached, the packages don't match, which?
[20:00] <adi_> .
[20:00] <adi_> hello everybody
[20:00] <ardchoille> !fixres | dev_noob
[20:00] <ubotu> dev_noob: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[20:00] <stdin> topic Official Kubuntu support channel | Download Gutsy http://kubuntu.org/download.php | Upgrade instructions: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.10-release.php#upgrade | FAQ: http://wiki.kubuntu.org/CommonQuestions | Kubuntu CDs! https://shipit.kubuntu.org | Pastes: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org | Offtopic in #kubuntu-offtopic please | KDE 4.0 RC1 packages will be available in Gutsy | Want to help? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpingKubuntu
[20:00] <gandalf> hi does anybody know if there will be kubuntu packages for kde4 rc1?
[20:00] <stephan> Sorry, just wondering, how does one open the restricted driver managment window?
[20:00] <adi_> could anybody help me with a web video player that knows mms and/or rtsp please?
[20:01] <ardchoille> trpr: It's possible you haven't added the appropriate keys. Which repo?
[20:01] <rami> it just wont work.
[20:01] <trpr> ardchoille: official mirror. its only a few packages that can't auth
[20:01] <stdin> stephan: system settings > advanced > restricted drivers
[20:01] <JohnFlux> adi_: mplayer ?
[20:01] <ardchoille> trpr: Ah, ok
[20:01] <adi_> JohnFlux: does not work
[20:02] <trpr> ardchoille: i tried apt-get install flightgear .. but it doesn't look like i can proceed without oking the suspect packages :\
[20:03] <stdin> trpr: it happens sometimes, usually apt-get update fixes it
[20:03] <kelmezzino> now?
[20:04] <gandalf> adi_: do you know where i could get an mms example file for a test?
[20:04] <trpr> stdin: indeed. an apt-get update resolved it :)
[20:04] <rami> configure shows up a bunch of noäs
[20:04] <rami> no's*
[20:04] <ardchoille> Would there be an problem in adding "sudo apt-get update" to a daily cronjob?
[20:05] <fdoving> ardchoille: it's already there. in /etc/cron.daily/apt
[20:05] <ardchoille> fdoving: Ah, ok
[20:05] <ardchoille> rami: Have you installed build-essential ?
[20:06] <stdin> rami: and if it's a kde app, you'll probably need kde-devel or at least kdelibs4-dev
[20:07] <rami> its trying to install flightgear instead
[20:08] <trpr> you need flightgear. kfreeflight is just a frontend
[20:08] <rami> damn it!
[20:10] <lg188> bey
[20:11] <vbgunz> is there a really cool log manager application or something? X keeps crashing on me and I believe it is due to VirtualBox **but** i cannot pinpoint it... if any kind of hints are showing up in the logs, I have no idea where it is :(
[20:12] <Yorokobi> vbgunz, have you looked at /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[20:12] <stdin> ksystemlog displays some of them
[20:13] <stdin> KMenu > System -> KSystemLog
[20:13] <vbgunz> 11/20/2007 01:17:01 PM	box	/USR/SBIN/CRON[7206]	(root) CMD (   cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)
[20:13] <vbgunz> 11/20/2007 01:32:16 PM	box	kdm[5073]	X server for display :0 terminated unexpectedly
[20:14] <vbgunz> this is the exact time X crashes on me... I think it has something to do with VirtualBox as the virtualbox log timestamp is exactly 01:17 ... could that crash X or restart it?
[20:15] <vbgunz> i swear if the reason X is crashing is found in xorg.log I don't see anything at all about it in there :(
[20:15] <vbgunz> very frustrating :(
[20:15] <aceler> vbgunz: are you starts kubuntu from virtualbox?
[20:15] <stdin> theoretically any app that used X can crash it
[20:16] <vbgunz> aceler: the host is Kubuntu 7.10 and the guest is Windows XP
[20:16] <aceler> Aha.
[20:17] <aceler> And why do you think that it is a VirtualBox problem?
[20:17] <vbgunz> I first noticed this problem occurred on Feisty... something about VirtualBox I strongly believe is crashing or restarting X... I just cannot prove it.
[20:17] <aceler> Well, I use VB for a long time
[20:17] <aceler> No problems
[20:17] <vbgunz> aceler: this never happens ever... It only happens if I have VirtualBox running
[20:18] <aceler> Ah!
[20:18] <aceler> Maybe it overheat your processor?
[20:18] <aceler> Or a vidoecard?
[20:19] <vbgunz> aceler: maybe, but how do I find out? it happens randomly and looking through logs i do not see anything that says "hey here is a clue as to why X is crashing/restarting"... I really don't see anything that helps me here :(
[20:19] <aceler> Of course not, because X Server is crashing, not shutting down.
[20:20] <aceler> And X Server will not able to write down something due a crash... :)_
[20:20] <vbgunz> it is a mystery why X is goes crazy but I do notice it only happens with VirtualBox... anyhow, in #vbox, I had an actual developer looking through the VirtualBox log and messages. he did not find anything that stuck out either :*(
[20:20] <aceler> I have an idea
[20:20] <aceler> Check your ulimit
[20:20] <aceler> Maybe X Server eats a lot of memory
[20:20] <vbgunz> how do I check ulimit?
[20:20] <aceler> ulimit -a
[20:21] <aceler> :)
[20:21] <vbgunz> anything in there I should look at specifically?
[20:21] <vbgunz> :)
[20:21] <vbgunz> I see a lot of unlimiteds
[20:21] <aceler> ulimit -v and maybe ulimit -t
[20:22] <vbgunz> both are unlimited
[20:22] <aceler> -l and -m?
[20:22] <vbgunz> l = 32 and m is unlimited
[20:22] <aceler> well.
[20:22] <aceler> the idea was wrong :)
[20:23] <vbgunz> I can paste it?
[20:23] <vbgunz> on a pastebin of couse
[20:23] <aceler> no, you don't need it
[20:23] <aceler> BTW, what videocard do you have?
[20:24] <vbgunz> nvidia geforce 5600
[20:24] <aceler> no idea
[20:26] <vbgunz> :(
[20:28] <vbgunz> I see this in xorg.log but not in xorg.conf 	warning	The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" does not exist.
[20:28] <vbgunz> how can I fix that?
[20:29] <aceler> you don't need to fix that
[20:29] <aceler> It's only a warning.
[20:29] <vbgunz> yes a warning
[20:30] <vbgunz> I only see warnings in X11 logs
[20:30] <vbgunz> I mean nothing more serious
[20:30] <genii> No worries. although if you want cyrillic fonts for some reason, sudo apt-get install xfonts-cyrillic
[20:31] <jack111> hi
[20:32] <ardchoille> hi jack111
[20:32] <jack111> on gutsy gibbon i got the porblem that opera if i install it via the static deb download from the opera site or via ap-get..it doenst work, it runs only with 100%cpu load in top, but no opera browser window appears
[20:33] <jack111> thats a sentence sorry
[20:33] <ardchoille> jack111: Are you on Gutsy?
[20:34] <jack111> yes ardchoille
[20:34] <ardchoille> jack111: Are you using the "partner" repo to install opera?
[20:35] <jack111> i used the one from the default settings...i check, didnt change anything,
[20:36] <ardchoille> jack111: afaik, opera isn't in the official repos other than the partner repo. I think you or someone had to change the sources to get opera.
[20:36] <ardchoille> Anyway, I installed it from the partner repo and it works great. You can enable the partner repo
[20:36] <vbgunz> genii: what are cyrillic fonts ?
[20:37] <ardchoille> !ru
[20:37] <ubotu> Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[20:37] <ardchoille> vbgunz: ^^ Those
[20:37] <vbgunz> heh
[20:37] <vbgunz> I can see them just fine
[20:37] <jack111> ardchoille: what do i have to fill in to enable that?
[20:37] <vbgunz> should I install the ones you said? will that fix the warning?
[20:37] <genii> vbgunz: If you don't know you're not likely to ever need them LOL
[20:38] <vbgunz> heh, just trying to address some warnings I guess :)
[20:38] <ardchoille> jack111: the partner repo is already in the gutsy sources, it's just commended out. you can open the sources.list file in a text editor with "kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list" and uncomment the partner repo there. But, make sure you run "sudo apt-get update" to update your sources
[20:39] <genii> vbgunz: It's not essential to install them for X to work properly. It is only giving a mild warning about them. But installing that package should eliminate even that.
[20:39] <Beowulf> need help booting up
[20:39] <vbgunz> genii: ok one last thing then. will those fonts show up in my fonts list?
[20:40] <Beowulf> Got huge problem, comp wont boot up.
[20:40] <genii> vbgunz: Yup
[20:40] <ardchoille> Beowulf: You need to be more specific. Errors? If so, what are they? What does the system do? Black screen?
[20:41] <Gannondorf> ardchoille: It says this: "init: rc-default main process (4105) terminated with status 127
[20:41] <Gannondorf> !status
[20:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about status - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:41] <vbgunz> well am going to restart X. brb
[20:42] <jack111> ardchoille: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/m2777ae61 that is what i get when i do opera& in the konsole, the opera browser window wont open, but i get 100% cpu load
[20:42] <Gannondorf> I need to uninstall compiz
[20:43] <Gannondorf> from a grub terminal
[20:44] <aceler> KDE 4.0 RC1 is out
[20:44] <Tm_T> aceler: yes, platform
[20:45] <ardchoille> jack111: I'm afraid that doesn't help me much. Do you know which repo provided the opera package? Or how you installed it?
[20:47] <jack111> ardchoille:  i tried via apt-get and also via the static deb download from the opera site
[20:49] <Minataku> KDE 4.0-RC1 is out despite the fact that it's clearly alpha quality, as heard from opinions of users of this channel
[20:49] <Minataku> They're really trying to make KDE seem like Windows, aren't they?
[20:49] <Tm_T> Minataku: erm
[20:49] <Minataku> They've even adopted the shoddy programming and releasing of not-ready products :P
[20:49] <Tm_T> releasing?
[20:49] <Tm_T> RC != release
[20:50] <sonic__> Minataku: release early release often.  They are a project not a business.
[20:50] <jack111> ardchoille: what do you mean by partner? universe? where exactly uncomment?
[20:51] <ardchoille> jack111: Can you pastebin your sources.list file? I'll try and help you with it.
[20:51] <ardchoille> !pastebin
[20:51] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[20:53] <sonic__> Minataku: Microsoft demands money, KDE merely asks for input and contribution/bug fixes if possible. Thus pre-alpha releases better invove the community with the process. makes it more transparent.
[20:53] <Minataku> Tm_T: Analog Microsoft product quality, where first releases are betas
[20:53]  * Tm_T slaps Minataku
[20:53] <Minataku> RC is the final step before the final release
[20:53] <Minataku> It stands for "Release Candidate"
[20:54] <Tecumseh> good evening
[20:54] <sonic__> Minataku: again. KDE is not a product. your understanding of how community software is created is severly lacking...
[20:54] <Tm_T> Minataku: it's RC of platform, not apps
[20:54] <Tm_T> Minataku: apps are still beta
[20:54] <aceler> Warning! Holy war detected!
[20:54] <Minataku> Ah!
[20:54] <Gannondorf> It says this: "init: rc-default main process (4105) terminated with status 127"
[20:54] <Tm_T> aceler: untrue
[20:55] <Minataku> Tm_T: That clears things up, then
[20:55] <Tecumseh> can someone help me set the mixer to the correct item? Currently the panel applet for the mixer does the volume control for the headphone's. It'd like to have it manage the master volume...
[20:55] <Tm_T> Minataku: aye
[20:55] <Minataku> You must admit, it's a tad confusing
[20:55] <Minataku> My apologies
[20:55] <Minataku> sonic__: If they're using a professional-style release system, it should be fairly well complete to that version by RC
[20:56] <Minataku> But the clarification I recieved indicates that only part of KDE is at RC-level
[20:56] <Gannondorf> Are you guys going to argue or help people?!
[20:56] <Minataku> Typically a whole project is advanced at once
[20:56] <Minataku> Argue.
[20:56] <Minataku> j/k
[20:56] <Op3r> how can you make kubuntu run faster?
[20:56] <Gannondorf> then help me
[20:56] <Minataku> What says that, Gannondorf?
[20:57] <Gannondorf> The booting process
[20:57] <Minataku> Well, nevermind, obviously it's init
[20:57] <Gannondorf> I try and boot and it says that
[20:57] <Gannondorf> then it stops
[20:57] <Minataku> Hm
[20:57] <Minataku> Did you do anything recently that may have caused this?
[20:57] <Gannondorf> It always says a random number
[20:57] <Gannondorf> the last thing I did was try and compile compiz
[20:57] <Minataku> Yeah, the PID of rc-default will be different every time
[20:58] <Minataku> Did it compile and install?
[20:58] <jack111> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/m18eb01c0 ardchoille
[20:58] <Gannondorf> no
[20:58] <Gannondorf> the farthest I got was the make part
[20:58] <Minataku> What did you do before that, then?
[20:58] <Gannondorf> The only things I have access to are the things in Grub
[20:58] <Gannondorf> hmmm
[20:58] <Gannondorf> Nothing harmful
[20:58] <Minataku> Sounds like neither of those SHOULD give init a fit
[20:58] <Gannondorf> installed a wifi radar program
[20:59] <ardchoille> jack111: I see the problem
[20:59] <Minataku> Did anything you installed recently set itself to start with the machine?
[20:59] <Gannondorf> It always stops at either network interface setup or keymap setup
[20:59] <Minataku> Hrm
[20:59] <Gannondorf> wifi radar program did
[20:59] <Gannondorf> actually
[20:59] <Gannondorf> no
[20:59] <Gannondorf> it didnt
[20:59] <Minataku> Hm
[20:59] <Gannondorf> yup
[20:59] <Minataku> Because if it did, that's your problem
[20:59] <Gannondorf> stopepd at configuring network interfaces
[21:00] <ardchoille> jack111: You've used automatix. The best thing I can recommend to you now is to back up your personal files and re-install kubuntu.. and never touch automatix again
[21:00] <Gannondorf> !
[21:00] <ardchoille> !automatix | jack111
[21:00] <ubotu> jack111: automatix is not recommended, supported or needed. See http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html and « /msg ubotu WorksForMe »
[21:00] <Gannondorf> Last thing i installed was apache2
[21:00] <Gannondorf> and it's dependencies
[21:00] <Minataku> That, I believe, definitely starts pieces of itself with the system
[21:00] <Gannondorf> So, how do I remove apache2 in the Grub terminal?
[21:01] <Gannondorf> !info apache2
[21:01] <Minataku> You can't
[21:01] <Gannondorf> then what do I do?
[21:01] <Minataku> You'll have to boot into a LiveCD in rescue mode or somesuch
[21:01] <ubotu> apache2: Next generation, scalable, extendable web server. In component main, is optional. Version 2.2.4-3build1 (gutsy), package size 40 kB, installed size 92 kB
[21:01] <Minataku> Hm
[21:01] <Minataku> !init
[21:01] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[21:01] <Minataku> Not quite
[21:02] <jack111> ardchoille: i have automatix, but it doesnt show opera-....
[21:02] <Minataku> Are the network cards removeable?
[21:02] <Gannondorf> Is there a way to disable apache2 from starting?
[21:02] <Gannondorf> yes
[21:02] <Gannondorf> I removed it
[21:02] <ardchoille> jack111: That doesn't matter, automatix is known to cause problems which are difficult to track down and solve. IMHO, you're just going to have more and more problems due to automatix.
[21:02] <Minataku> Try rebooting again now
[21:02] <jack111> ardchoille: or you mean automatix messed my sources.lst up?
[21:02] <Gannondorf> it's a simple linksys card
[21:03] <Minataku> With the card removed
[21:03] <Gannondorf> I removed it a while ago
[21:03] <Minataku> Hm
[21:03] <Minataku> Is that when booting stopped working?
[21:03] <jack111> ardchoille: ok, so should i mark the automatix line and try again?
[21:03] <Gannondorf> no
[21:03] <Minataku> Or was this before that?
[21:03] <Minataku> Hrm
[21:03] <ardchoille> jack111: I mean automatix mess up your system. And, your sources.list has Edgy repos, not a good thing to mix repos like that.
[21:03] <Gannondorf> I tried it once with the card
[21:04] <ardchoille> jack111: The damage done by automatix is already done, if it were me, I wouldn't trust the system any longer.. I'd reinstall.
[21:04] <Minataku> Sorry, I'm kinda stumped... Apache MAY be causing it, but it doesn't seem likely since it crashes out at the network configuration
[21:04] <Gannondorf> hmmm
[21:04] <jack111> hmm..i just did the upgrade via the aptitude, so where would i get a clean thing?
[21:04] <Gannondorf> I've been wanting to upgrade to Gutsy anyway
[21:04] <jack111> i cannot cos of work
[21:04] <Minataku> jack111: Your current installation is bad.
[21:05] <Minataku> Your only viable option is backup and reinstall.
[21:05] <Gannondorf> How do i backup?
[21:05] <Minataku> !backup
[21:05] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[21:05] <Gannondorf> I actually want to use gutsy
[21:05] <Gannondorf> would the backups work with that?
[21:05] <Minataku> Er, though you'll have to boot a LiveCD and mount the fs, Gannondorf
[21:05] <Gannondorf> nevermind
[21:05] <Gannondorf> there's nothing important on there
[21:05] <Minataku> I was talking to jack111 when I said what his options were
[21:06] <Gannondorf> oh
[21:06] <Minataku> He used one of two "tools" that completely f*ck up *buntu installations
[21:06] <Minataku> Automatix and Envy << DO NOT USE EITHER OF THESE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES
[21:06] <MurielGodoi> Hi, I just install pidgin, but I got no event sounds, all others applications sounds works fine. Any ida?
[21:07] <Minataku> MurielGodoi: Check the application configuration
[21:07] <MurielGodoi> Minataku: sounds are enabled there. But when I click Test, I can't hear the sound
[21:07] <armando> hola
[21:07] <armando> hi
[21:07] <Minataku> Hm. That's weird.
[21:08] <Gannondorf> minataku: what is the fastest mirror for downloading kubuntu 7.10?
[21:08] <Minataku> Is there any other sound configuration besides enabling it?
[21:08] <armando> i have a problem
[21:08] <MurielGodoi> !ask
[21:08] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[21:08] <Minataku> Gannondorf: Even if I had an answer, it'd be different for you anyway
[21:08] <Gannondorf> I found it
[21:08] <Gannondorf> Georgia tech
[21:08] <armando> whow play mp3 in kubuntu?
[21:08] <Minataku> I usually choose either the main site, or one in Japan
[21:08] <Minataku> !mp3
[21:08] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[21:09] <Gannondorf> armando: amarok if you don't have it, and codecs
[21:09] <Gannondorf> !codecs| armando
[21:09] <ubotu> armando: please see above
[21:09] <Minataku> Ignore the crap about using free formats until you're MAKING multimedia
[21:09] <Minataku> If you're just playing multimedia, you don't have a choice
[21:10] <Minataku> s/multimedia/multimedia\ files/g
[21:10] <jhutchins> Minataku: Well, if you're ripping or transcoding it applies.
[21:10] <Minataku> I said that
[21:10] <Minataku> MAKING multimedia files
[21:10] <armando> algien que able español?
[21:10] <Minataku> :P
[21:10] <Minataku> !es | armando
[21:10] <ubotu> armando: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[21:11] <armando> ok gracias
[21:11] <MurielGodoi> Minataku: I just tried to set a specific sound to Buddy logs on, but however when I click in test I can hear nothing
[21:11] <Minataku> Does it provide an option for what sound driver to use?
[21:15] <MurielGodoi> Minataku: nope, at least I couldn't find it in preferences
[21:16] <Minataku> Hm
[21:16] <Minataku> Sorry, I'm out of ideas then :(
[21:17] <MurielGodoi> Minataku: Can pidgin trying to use any specific gnome resource?
[21:18] <Minataku> No idea
[21:18] <MurielGodoi> Pidgin sounds works for you in kubuntu?
[21:21] <Minataku> I use neither
[21:21] <Minataku> Which is why I'm out of ideas
[21:21] <Minataku> lol
[21:21] <Minataku> Sorry X3
[21:22] <loguser1> can any one tell a good network moniterying app. that thats my the downloading and uploading speed .. (over all of all apps)
[21:25] <loguser1> ?
[21:25] <blizzzek> bye
[21:26] <jhutchins> !paste
[21:26] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[21:26] <MurielGodoi> Minataku: that is okay,  thanks anyway
[21:26] <jhutchins> loguser1: Hang on a sec...
[21:26] <loguser1> ok
[21:26] <Drekky> swoyûk
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[21:27] <Drekky> zubbb
[21:27] <Drekky> huj
[21:27] <Drekky> poyubl ka yû yüoal do ?
[21:27] <tekteen> hi all
[21:28] <Drekky> poyubl ka yû yüoal do ?
[21:28] <marcreichelt> hi there
[21:28] <jhutchins> loguser1: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45300/
[21:28] <jhutchins> 85 lines of bash
[21:28] <marcreichelt> is an update for Kubuntu 7.10 available that is not damaged (meaning software updates)?
[21:29] <Drekky> poyubl ka yû yüoal do ?
[21:29] <ardchoille> Drekky: Which language?
[21:30] <inteliwasp> does anyone know about efi partition tables?
[21:30] <Drekky> no langauge, just my sister
[21:30] <BluesKaj> he's in france , ardchoille
[21:30] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[21:30] <BluesKaj> but that ain't french
[21:30] <ardchoille> I was gonna say that
[21:30] <jhutchins> No, that's troll.
[21:31] <BluesKaj> croatian or something
[21:33]  * BluesKaj attempts to install google earth to run in wine
[21:33] <stdin> doesn't google earth run native?
[21:33] <inteliwasp> it does
[21:33]  * tekteen wonders why BluesKaj does not use the linux version
[21:34] <tekteen> It is in the medibuntu repo
[21:34] <BluesKaj> the linux vers won't run on 64bit with the new ati driver
[21:34] <tekteen> ok
[21:35] <trappist> BluesKaj: tried a 32bit chroot?
[21:35] <BluesKaj> not my setup at least ..the libgl.so is misplaced
[21:35] <trappist> BluesKaj: I had trouble even in the chroot with nvidia drivers, until I installed the nvidia drivers inside the chroot
[21:35] <BluesKaj> trappist, how is that done
[21:36] <trappist> BluesKaj: there's a debian howto somewhere that works fine for ubuntu, but I haven't done it in a while, and I don't plan to do it again - 32bit for me until I can do 64bit without a chroot
[21:36] <tekteen> !32bitchroot
[21:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 32bitchroot - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:36] <tekteen> !chroot
[21:36] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[21:36] <BluesKaj> the drivers are ok fgl_glxgears is great
[21:37] <tekteen> BluesKaj: this it what u need
[21:37] <trappist> BluesKaj: yeah but fgl_glxgears is prolly 64bit
[21:38] <trappist> it probably just needs a 32bit gl lib to link to
[21:40] <acemo> is the bug that made kde4 beta4 unable to get packaged causing the same for kde4 rc1?
[21:40] <stdin> read the topic
[21:40] <jpatrick> acemo: nop, rc1 packages in progress
[21:40] <trappist> BluesKaj: hey have you tried installing ia32-libs? it seems to install some 32bit gl goodies
[21:41] <acemo> jpatrick: great \o/
[21:42] <trappist> I know the 64bit nvidia driver installer prompts you to install 32bit libs... maybe the ati driver just doesn't ship with those
[21:43] <vit_> gracias internet
[21:43] <vit_> ¨¨¨
[21:43] <vit_> _l_
[21:43] <jpatrick> !es
[21:43] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[21:44] <MurielGodoi> For the people who tried 64bit version,  Which are the main difficulties that you found?
[21:45] <trappist> MurielGodoi: to use flash and java plugins, wine, certain codecs, etc., you need a 32bit chroot.  I wouldn't recommend it for a desktop machine.
[21:45] <trappist> there are other solutions, but they mostly suck too.
[21:46] <BluesKaj> trappist, yeah ia32-libs is installed
[21:46] <intRandom> hey, does anyone know if we can expect to see KDE RC1 packages?
[21:46] <stdin> intRandom: /topic
[21:46] <MurielGodoi> trappist: okay thanks,  about about performance? any difference?
[21:47] <MurielGodoi> s/about about/and about
[21:47] <trappist> MurielGodoi: I can't give you a 1:1 comparison.  I haven't tried 64bit and 32bit on the same machine yet.  but my *impression* is that if I'm getting any boost at all from 64bit, it's not worth the hassle.
[21:48] <trappist> MurielGodoi: also, quite a few packages have 64bit-specific bugs, that I've spent a lot of time working through
[21:48] <trappist> kmail, Eterm, mrxvt, and trac for example
[21:49] <MurielGodoi> good.. so i will keep my 32bits version until i have a lot of free time to fight in that issues :) thanks
[21:49] <trappist> kmail can't do ntlm auth, Eterm has all kinds of problems, mrxvt won't go transparent, and trac is busted due to a 64bit bug in ... somethingsilver, I forget the package name
[21:50] <BluesKaj> trappist, what's the cmnd to use with schroot to install a bin pkg ?
[21:50] <tekteen> Does anyone know how to copy all the files in a VirtualBox image to a directory?
[21:50] <trappist> BluesKaj: first you enter the chroot (chroot into it), then it's the same as anything else... sudo apt-get install ...
[21:51] <BluesKaj> it's abinary
[21:53] <trappist> apparently I'm not understanding your question
[21:53] <trappist> tekteen: never worked with virtualbox, but with vmware it's possible (with some work) to mount the image similarly to an iso
[21:54] <trappist> tekteen: maybe google for "mount virtualbox image" or so
[21:54] <tekteen> thanks
[21:55] <tekteen> I am giving a talk where I will need to switch between 4 different images and chroot might be better then virtualbox
[21:55] <BluesKaj> trappist the app is a .bin file ...all thats required is the ./ "pkgname " where does schroot come in ?
[21:56] <niko__> hi guys
[21:57] <niko__> it's a lot of time that i don't came here
[21:57] <bbm4n> guys my a friend of mine is having problems installing kubuntu 7.10
[21:57] <niko__> kubuntu italian?
[21:57] <tekteen> bbm4n: what is the problem?
[21:57] <stdin> !it
[21:57] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[21:57] <niko__> thnx
his system freezes in fisrt screen
 where you must choose installation
 mem test e.t.c.
[21:58] <tekteen> ok
 how is that possible?
[21:59] <tekteen> the boot loader
[21:59] <trappist> BluesKaj: first you have to set up the chroot, which is basically installing an OS in it.  once that's all done, you'd copy the .bin into the chroot, chroot into it, then probably chmod +x it and ./ it.
[21:59] <tekteen> is the keyboard working
[21:59] <tekteen> ?
 wait i'll ask him
 yes
[22:00]  * trappist &
[22:00] <tekteen> what does he mean that it freezes?
 when he presses the options nothing happens
[22:01] <tekteen> the disk could have a defect
 the cd-rom?
[22:01] <tekteen> yep
[22:02] <tekteen> can u test it on another machine
 i'll ask him
[22:02] <gambix> is there some news about the release of kde4 rc1 on kubuntu...?*
[22:04] <ardchoille> gambix: An rss feed reader is a great way to get up-to-date news daily: http://dot.kde.org/1195581531/
[22:04] <root_> hey, I have a binary that was compiled 32 using Qt.
[22:04] <root_> can I run on a machine with kubuntu 64bit?
[22:04] <root_> if yes, how?
[22:04] <tekteen> root_: yes
[22:04] <jpatrick> root_: why are you on irc as root??
[22:05] <root_> jpatrick: don't bitch me for my security policies :)
[22:05] <tekteen> root_: download the 64 bit version of kubuntu
[22:05] <jpatrick> suit yourself
[22:05] <root_> tekteen: what do you mean
[22:05]  * tekteen names the root account god on his system
[22:05] <ardchoille> root_: If you're going to irc as root, many folks won't even bother helping you since it appears you care nothing about your own system.
[22:05] <gambix> ardchoille: it's not the answer to my ask...
[22:05] <root_> # linux32 ./qusbview
[22:05] <root_> ./qusbview: error while loading shared libraries: libQtGui.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[22:05] <tekteen> root_: hold on
[22:06] <root_> tekteen: I already have kubuntu64
[22:06] <NeoFax> I am having a problem connecting with a FE to my BE.  MySQL errors saying hostname.local not allowed.  However, I have the BE setup to allow from any host using the % in the privileges.
[22:06] <ardchoille> gambix: But, with an rss feed reader, you get the news directly from Ubuntu :)
[22:06] <tekteen> ok
[22:06] <tekteen> root: I know of a way
[22:07] <tekteen> !chroot | root_
[22:07] <ubotu> root_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[22:07] <root_> ok so I nedd a chroot. mh. ok thanks tekteen
[22:07] <root_> bye :)
[22:08] <root_> thank you very much
[22:08] <tekteen> bye
[22:09] <DrakeJustice_> props to tekteen
[22:09]  * tekteen thanks his fans :-)
[22:09] <venik> Overall performance under 7.10 is definiteeely more sluggish than it used to be, especially while using a browser.  Do other people have the same experience?
[22:10] <venik> Overall performance under 7.10 is definiteeely more sluggish than it used to be under 7.04, especially while using a browser.  Do other people have the same experience?
[22:10] <NeoFax> Any MySQL experts?
[22:11] <juacom99> i'm not an expert
[22:11] <juacom99> but i know mysql
[22:11] <tekteen> I only know the basics
[22:11] <juacom99> what's thwe problem NeoFax
[22:11] <BluesKaj> venik, try disabling IPv6 in your browser
[22:11] <NeoFax> I am having a problem connecting to my server from another PC
[22:11] <juacom99> ok
[22:11] <venik> I have tried disabling ipv6, but it did not make any difference
[22:11] <juacom99> do you use a firewall??
[22:12] <NeoFax> It states hostname.local not allowed.  However, in the privileges I have allowed %, which manys any host
[22:12] <NeoFax> Yes, but this is all behind the firewall
[22:12] <juacom99> if you are in other PC is not behind the firewall
 my friend says it works on another pc
[22:13] <tekteen> ok
[22:13] <NeoFax> I am trying to connect 192,168.1.x to 192.168.1.y.  However, DNS automatically changes it to the hostname+.local.
[22:13] <juacom99> try addin an exeption for mysql in the firewall
 so it is the cd drives problem?
[22:13] <venik> I wonder whether they have "upgraded" the network card driver..
[22:13] <tekteen> what type of keyboard is it?
[22:13] <tekteen> it should work
[22:13] <tekteen> have u tested the cdrom
 me?
[22:14] <tekteen> yep
[22:14] <tekteen> u
 yes
 he says it runs on another pc
[22:14] <tekteen> bbm4n: sorry, the cdrom drive
[22:15] <NeoFax> juacom99: OK, changed the firewall to allow traffic over 3306.  Still same problem.
 he asks about the minimum memory this is like 256 for kde is it not?
[22:15] <juacom99> mm let me think...
[22:15] <dorkface> Hi all.  Where can I see what drivers I am using for my wired interface?  I've tried using "lspci -vvv" but I could not find anything about them..
[22:16] <tekteen> bbm4n: that would not effect this stage of the boot but on a machine like that I would use the alternate install cd
[22:17] <NeoFax> dorkface: Use dmesg | less Then look for the eth0 statement
[22:17] <tekteen> btw it does require that
[22:17] <venik> this is Dell Dimension 4550, with a 1 gb RAM, with an ATI video card and driver
 ok
 thanks
 one point for tekteen!
[22:18] <hlopez> Hi
[22:18] <BluesKaj> !chroot
[22:18] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[22:18] <hlopez> Anyone knows how to config eth0 in Mandriva?
[22:18]  * tekteen welcomes the applause
[22:18] <loguser1> i just installed trickler , an app. but i cant see it in any menu. how do i run it?
[22:19] <tekteen> from his fans
[22:19] <NeoFax> hlopez: Do they use NetworkManager?
[22:19] <hlopez> No
[22:19] <loguser1> trickle*
[22:20] <NeoFax> OK, then sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces.  Change the settings in this file.
[22:20] <hlopez> I just download the last dist, and i Can´t open pppoeconf (like in Kubuntu)
[22:20] <NeoFax> What does ifconfig say?
[22:21] <tekteen> loguser1: open up the konsole
[22:21] <tekteen> loguser1: then see if "trickle" is a command
[22:21] <hlopez> ufff, i can tell, i'm in Kubuntu right now
[22:21] <loguser1> tekteen:  oook
[22:22] <loguser1> yes got it. but it doesnt shows me the network usage.
[22:22] <loguser1> Usage: trickle [-hvVs] [-d <rate>] [-u <rate>] [-w <length>] [-t <seconds>]
[22:22] <loguser1>                [-l <length>] [-n <path>] command ...
[22:22] <loguser1>         -h           Help (this)
[22:22] <loguser1>         -v           Increase verbosity level
[22:22] <hlopez> Ok
[22:22] <loguser1>         -V           Print trickle version
[22:22] <tekteen> does it a graphical interface
[22:22] <loguser1>         -s           Run trickle in standalone mode independent of trickled
[22:23] <loguser1>         -d <rate>    Set maximum cumulative download rate to <rate> KB/s
[22:23] <hlopez> yes
[22:23] <loguser1>         -u <rate>    Set maximum cumulative upload rate to <rate> KB/s
[22:23] <loguser1>         -w <length>  Set window length to <length> KB
[22:23] <loguser1>         -t <seconds> Set default smoothing time to <seconds> s
[22:23] <loguser1>         -l <length>  Set default smoothing length to <length> KB
[22:23] <loguser1>         -n <path>    Use trickled socket name <path>
[22:23] <loguser1>         -L <ms>      Set latency to <ms> milliseconds
[22:23] <loguser1> thats what iam looking for
[22:23] <tekteen> !paste | loguser1
[22:23] <ubotu> loguser1: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[22:23] <hlopez> Ok i'll go for it, thanks
[22:23] <loguser1> i want an app that shows me the speed of my internet...................
[22:23] <hlopez> I have to shutdown mi PC first
[22:23] <NeoFax> juacom99: Anything?
[22:23] <hlopez> bye
[22:24] <tekteen> is it a graphical interface
[22:24] <tekteen> ?
[22:24] <juacom99> no :S
[22:24] <hlopez> thanks for everything
[22:24] <juacom99> i'm lost
[22:24] <juacom99> it should let you connect to the other machine :S
[22:24] <hlopez> Bye bye Loguser1
[22:25] <tekteen> I think it is command line only, loguser1:
[22:25] <juacom99> are you ion windows or ion linux??
[22:25] <NeoFax> juacom99: That is what I thought as well.  I will have to try in the MySQL forums or IRC.  Thanks!
[22:25] <NeoFax> I am in windows.  Connecting from Debian to Ubuntu.
[22:26] <juacom99> you lost me
[22:26] <juacom99> are you in windows or in debian??
[22:27] <loguser1> i need a graphical stat shower of my internet speed. and trafic.
[22:27] <tekteen> kSysGuard
[22:28] <tekteen> loguser1: goto kmenu > system > kSysGuard
[22:28] <loguser1> k
[22:28] <tekteen> it does not have it
[22:29] <loguser1> oh no. thats sys speed. iam talking abt internet spped
[22:29] <tekteen> sorry, thought it did
[22:29] <loguser1> ok
[22:29] <tekteen> one sec
[22:29] <loguser1> k
[22:29] <NeoFax> juacom99: I am in debian
[22:30] <juacom99> ok Mysql is in..??
[22:30] <NeoFax> loguser1: Try Gkrellm, superkaramba(KDE), Gdesklet(GNOME)
[22:30] <NeoFax> Or my favorite conky
[22:30] <tekteen> loguser1: I think the cli command ntop does it
[22:30] <MilitantHippie> Hi, could anyone help me getting my wireless network card working?
[22:30] <tekteen> loguser1: I am testing it
[22:30] <loguser1> i need graphical
[22:30] <NeoFax> juacom99: It is on the Kubuntu machine.
[22:30] <loguser1> NeoFax:  ok
[22:31] <juacom99> ok
[22:31] <NeoFax> loguser1: You will need to go to kde-look.org for superkaramba themes if you choose that one.
[22:31] <juacom99> so you alowd mysql port on kubuntu machine??
[22:32] <NeoFax> Yes
[22:32] <NeoFax> My router routes traffic to 192.168.1.y:3306
[22:32] <juacom99> is relly rear
[22:32] <juacom99> *rare
[22:34] <loguser1> any other
[22:34] <loguser1> ?
[22:35] <tekteen> loguser: ksysguard does do it
[22:35] <loguser1> how
[22:35] <tekteen> U need to select it to be viewed
[22:35] <loguser1> from where
[22:35] <NeoFax> knemo does as well
[22:36] <tekteen> go with Neo Fax's Idea
[22:37] <loguser1> k
[22:37] <juacom99> NeoFax: tencnicaly the lan connection should be alowd in your router anyway
[22:37] <NeoFax> True, but it never hurts
[22:38] <juacom99> NeoFax: lol
[22:38] <juacom99> why the hell is your pc :S
[22:38] <juacom99> doing that :S
[22:38] <loguser1> ya.         .  knemo looks good. going to install
[22:39] <NeoFax> Never know.  Could be like /etc/hosts not changing the name correctly.  i.e. comes across the lan as hostname, but translates to hostname+.local at the other end
[22:41] <loguser1> NeoFax:  is there a good way to know on which menu is a newly install app present.........................
[22:41] <loguser1> i installed knemo . now where to run it. i can find it any where in any menu
[22:41] <NeoFax> loguser1: just run knemo from the CLI
[22:41] <loguser1> cli?
[22:41] <NeoFax> It should be in kcontrol
[22:41] <stdin> !cli
[22:42] <loguser1> comand line
[22:42] <stdin> no ubotu :p
[22:42] <ardchoille> Who broke the bot?
[22:42] <stdin> ardchoille: netsplit
[22:42] <tekteen> !ubotu
[22:42] <ardchoille> ah
[22:42] <NeoFax> loguser1: cli=command line interface
[22:42] <tekteen> ubotu left
[22:43] <stdin> seems on or two servers split, and ubotu just would be on one. he's unlucky like they
[22:43] <loguser1> loguser1@loguser1-pc1dtop1:~$ knemo
[22:43] <loguser1> bash: knemo: command not found
[22:44] <loguser1> what now
[22:46] <ardchoille> loguser1: sudo apt-get install knemo
[22:46] <loguser1> its already installed
[22:46] <ardchoille> Type this in cli: which knemo
[22:46] <ardchoille> loguser1: Ah, it's a kicker applet, you need to add it to kicker to use it
[22:47] <loguser1> loguser1@loguser1-pc1dtop1:~$ which knemo
[22:47] <loguser1> loguser1@loguser1-pc1dtop1:~$
[22:47] <loguser1> ardchoille:  how
[22:49] <loguser1> ardchoille:  how
[22:49] <master_> ciao
[22:49] <ardchoille> loguser1: Right click the panel, choose Add applet to panel, search for the applet and add it to the panel
[22:51] <lol> salut
[22:51] <lol> je suis nouveau sous kubuntu
[22:51] <neofax99> loguser1: Try this:  http://s242.photobucket.com/albums/ff46/neofax/?action=view&current=knemo.png
[22:52] <loguser1> well. the applet is not in the list..
[22:52] <neofax99> To get there do in KDE Alt+F2.  In the run command type kcontrol.
[22:52] <lol> lol
[22:52] <neofax99> You may need to logout of KDE for it to take
[22:53] <ardchoille> loguser1: type this in cli: apt-cache policy knemo | grep Installed
[22:53] <lol> My name is LOL
[22:54] <ardchoille> lol: I cannot begin to tell you how many times you will get hilighted
[22:54] <loguser1> k
[22:54] <tekteen> lol
[22:56] <ardchoille> loguser1: Did it tell you which version was installed?
[23:03] <josei> hola a todos
[23:03] <josei> soy novato en esto
[23:03] <josei> hay mas canales?
[23:04] <stdin> !es
[23:04] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[23:08] <MilitantPotato> Hey
[23:08] <MilitantPotato> my wife's PC can see my samba shares aswell as her own, but I can't see our workgroup
[23:08] <ardchoille> hi MilitantPotato
[23:09] <fyrmedic> What is the best way to synchronize my laptop with my desktop?
[23:09] <fyrmedic> rsync or something else?
[23:10] <MilitantPotato> via the web?
[23:10] <BluesKaj> MilitantPotato, depending on yout lans speed and wifes pc speed , it can sometimes take up to 15 secs for the workgroup to show up on konq using smb:/
[23:10] <fyrmedic> no local
[23:11] <MilitantPotato> BluesKaj: it's saying Unable to find any workgroups on your local network.  A firewall could be blocking it.
[23:11] <MilitantPotato> When I attempt to browse the samba network
[23:11] <eljefe__> Anyone read Linux Journal?  There was an article some time ago about making DVDs and it mentioned a good program used to encode video to be DVD-compliant... what was it??
[23:12] <vbgunz> anybody play foolbillard in Gutsy? it worked beautifully in Feisty *but* relaunching it for the first time in Gutsy, something is wrong with the display :(
[23:12] <BluesKaj> what are you browsing with, MilitantPotato ?
[23:12] <vbgunz> I mean, the graphics shimmer, glitter, vibrate, not sure how to explain it :(
[23:13] <MilitantPotato> Dolphin
[23:13] <MilitantPotato> weird, i think it's just not saving the config I entered in KControl
[23:14] <eljefe__> or, how can I create a DVD with an mpeg slideshor from Digikam?
[23:15] <BluesKaj> hmm, never tried dolphin , konq always works with smb
[23:16] <MilitantPotato> oops stopped networking :D
[23:16]  * BluesKaj has to study up on chroot , but it seems like a heck of alot of trouble just to get google earth to work on amd64 gutsy
[23:17] <stdin> BluesKaj: that was the only way to do flash/java not too long ago
[23:18] <BluesKaj> <---- naturally lazy and not too inclined to do it tonite :)