[00:01] <amichair> Addle: now I'm getting an error, seems it's starting to parse it. I'll play some more from here... thanks for your help!
[00:02] <Addle> amichair: You're welcome :)
[00:11] <Avihay> what tools would one use to copy a windows hdd to a new hdd, useing a kubuntu live-cd? I can handle the documentation, I just need the name of the right tool
[00:12] <Addle> Avihay: I use Clonezilla from a bootable DVD.
[00:12] <Avihay> I'm a bit lazy to write a clonzila distribution, or is that also a tool?
[00:13] <Addle> Avihay: Just google it. There's .isos available. Pretty painless.
[00:14] <Addle> Avihay: I used the 2.2.0-8 iso they have available. Worked fine.
[00:14] <Addle> Avihay: I use it to make images before I do anything drastic to my system.
[00:15] <Avihay> I don't really have a drive to deploy it to
[00:15] <Avihay> maybe I'll just burn a cd
[00:15] <Addle> Avihay: Oh, yeah, CD should work too. It's almost certainly small enough to fit.
[00:15] <Avihay> but I'm useing the cd drive's sata and power to drive the other hdd
[00:16] <Addle> Avihay: Probably could make a bootable USB. Never done it, but there might be instructions on the clonezilla site.
[00:17] <Avihay> there are, I'll look into it
[00:17] <Addle> Avihay: Good luck :)
[00:19] <Avihay> thanks
[00:29] <therazr> Is this distro community-based?
[00:29] <Addle> therazr: Yes
[00:31] <therazr> Addle: What's the relationship with Ubuntu and Canonical, and who is mainly developing Kubuntu? Are there "features" like Amazon search or some other packages included in Kubuntu from Ubuntu main edition?
[00:32] <Addle> therazr: Well, others would know more, but Kubuntu has its own separate community and Canonical doesn't control it. Nor will there be any spyware on Kubuntu, from what I've been told.
[00:32] <Addle> therazr: Nor is Kubuntu particularly interested in Mir, if you're wondering. :)
[00:33] <valorie> we are part of the Ubuntu community, but Kubuntu is governed by our own Council
[00:33] <valorie> no spyware, ever
[00:34] <Addle> And there is the other that would know more :)
[00:34] <valorie> therazr: we cooperate with the ubuntu community for packaging, but do all the KDE packing ourselves, in cooperation with the KDE devels
[00:34] <valorie> and sysadmins
[00:35] <therazr> valorie: Looks like you refuse some of the Canonical's decisions. Will you be able to keep providing a reliable kubuntu experience on top of Xorg or Wayland? No upcoming XMir anytime soon?
[00:35] <valorie> no xmir in the forseeable future
[00:35] <valorie> mir and xmir are both built for Unity
[00:35] <valorie> and we don't ship unity
[00:35] <therazr> but they work with KDE, it seems
[00:35] <therazr> XMir of course
[00:35] <valorie> sort of
[00:35] <therazr> Mir nep
[00:36] <valorie> not to the satisfaction of the kwin devels
[00:36] <valorie> they will not be adding one-distro patches to kwin
[00:36] <valorie> as for the future, it is in the future
[00:36] <valorie> we hope to keep offering a viable Kubuntu
[00:37] <therazr> Thanks :)
[00:37] <valorie> I try not to worry about things over which I have zero influence
[00:37] <valorie> and work on things where I can make a difference
[00:38] <valorie> which is why I ran for a place on the Kub. Council
[00:38] <valorie> :-)
[00:38] <Addle> Us "Open Source Tea Party" people stick together. LOL
[00:39] <valorie> pfff
[00:39] <Addle> (Inside joke from comments from Shuttleworth)
[00:39] <valorie> yes, I know where it comes from
[00:39] <therazr> that one was strong
[00:39] <valorie> it was an unfortunate remark
[00:39] <therazr> Wayland devs now wanna debate publicly with Shuttleworth
[00:39] <Addle> Off topic, but it really was an unfortunate remark.
[00:40] <valorie> mark sees things from his own POV, and his own interests
[00:40] <valorie> that's fine, but stop bad-mouthing others
[00:40] <Addle> Agree 100%.
[00:40] <valorie> we all have our own POV, and our own interests
[00:41] <valorie> it is always good to have dialog, and think together, work together
[00:41] <Addle> We do, after all, mostly have the same goals.
[00:41] <therazr> valorie: tbh, he didn't attack anyone before his last comment. Before that, he had to listen a lot from the community, many hard things to ear
[00:41] <therazr> now he wants to prove he had a point with Mir
[00:41] <valorie> sure
[00:42] <valorie> however, one drop of ink can blacken a lot of water
[00:42] <valorie> better not to have said such a thing
[00:42] <valorie> in a public blog
[00:42] <Addle> And that includes the FUD when Mir was announced, IMO.
[00:42] <therazr> yea probably
[00:42] <valorie> let the code talk
[00:43] <valorie> if it is better, it should be adopted
[00:43] <valorie> right now, it's too early to tell
[00:43] <Addle> On that, you, I and Linus agree. :)
[00:43] <valorie> :-)
[03:15] <mrpot4to_> hello i'm having some issues with the last update of kubuntu: it says I can't use apt-get update to add new CDs and asks me to use apt-cdrom instead.
[03:38] <Addle> mrpot4to_: Not that I've used any of the cdrom stuff past installation, but I'm not sure what the issue is. apt-cdrom isn't adding the disks properly?
[04:10] <goodtime> Addle: you might need to tweek the bios
[04:16] <Addle> goodtime: Guessing you meant that for mrpot4to_. :)  (Alas, he's logged out)
[05:00] <arthurfiggis> hello all :) finally got everything installed in 13.10 again, it's running great and the available nvidia drivers are now recent enough that my graphics don't glitch out any more :P i'm glad that the overall decision was not to go with Mir and stick with X/Wayland as well...it's the community-backed solution and judging by intel's harsh response, the hardware manufacturers aren't impressed either
[05:03] <Addle> arthurfiggis: Glad you're happy with it. :)  Though as far as I know, Intel refused the patch because it was for a single distro, not because they don't like Mir. Which I agree with. If it's for Ubuntu alone, they can maintain it.
[05:03] <Addle> arthurfiggis: How much other things counted in the decision, I can't know, of course. :)
[05:06] <arthurfiggis> Addle: Well granted, the statement that intel is against wayland is based upon some comments in the source file for the xorg intel driver, so it's not exactly authoritative ;) still, statements like We do not condone or support Canonical in the course of action they have chosen, and will not carry XMir patches upstream" don't bode well
[05:07] <goodtime> hmmm intresting
[05:07] <arthurfiggis> i personally don't mind what direction they go in, as long as you still have a choice at the end of the day :) that's why i switched to kubuntu
[05:07] <arthurfiggis> goodtime: you can see  the message here if you'd like! http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-intel/commit/?id=58a7611ccfda88c7cbcc62b25b787d6b0fa64081
[05:07] <Addle> arthurfiggis: hehe True. Well said.
[05:08] <arthurfiggis> Addle: the only problem i see is that derivatives like kubuntu may eventually have to maintain a lot...their own packages, x, then wayland since i doubt canonical will :( it's a sad situation, but much like the xorg/xfree86 rift, people will choose the best solution and it'll sort itself out
[05:10] <Addle> arthurfiggis: Yeah, and of course I hope it doesn't make the GPU makers have to choose between the two. I'm not super worried. I've watched Linux evolve over the last 20 or so years, and I've switched distros a number of times, and Linux keeps thriving.
[05:11] <Addle> arthurfiggis: At worst, we can rebase on Debian. Hopefully it doesn't come to that.
[05:12] <valorie> yes, the only difficulty will be people wanting to switch at will between Unity and Kubuntu desktops
[05:13] <arthurfiggis> Addle: That's true, that's what ubuntu is doing anyway essentially...that would be a lot of work though, i know :( but i think enough people are against some of canonical's recent moves that many people are searching for alternatives
[05:13] <valorie> but again, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it
[05:13] <arthurfiggis> valorie: oh, i'd say that'll be a short bridge...after running the kde 4.8 releases and above it's gotten to the point where no one in their right mind would want to switch to unity :P
[05:14] <arthurfiggis> unless it was one of those tablet/almost-pc devices that canonical's phone turned out to be
[05:14] <Addle> valorie: You're probably getting sick of saying that, by now. ;)
[05:14] <valorie> arthurfiggis: tastes differ
[05:15] <valorie> this isn't religion, we're making tools for people to USE
[05:15] <valorie> and if they prefer different tools, fine
[05:15] <arthurfiggis> valorie: well that's true, yes...i'm not necessarily opposed to unity either, i am somewhat opposed to having my desktop searches carted off to amazon on the other hand ;) reason 2 for switching recently
[05:15] <valorie> we can still be friends
[05:16] <Addle> hehe I can't disagree with that.
[05:16] <Addle> I think one of the important things is that we keep the high ground and not roll around in the muck. Which I'd say is the case, thus far.
[05:17] <lovesh> i cant play sound in kubuntu after i upgraded from kubuntu 13.04 to 13.10. I tried some links but the didnt help.
[05:17] <lovesh> http://askubuntu.com/questions/360929/kubuntu-13-10-no-sound-missing-shutdown-button-network-disconnected
[05:18] <valorie> lovesh: can you say what exactly you did try?
[05:18] <valorie> I've found my sound muted in kmix or alsamixer a couple of times
[05:19] <valorie> which is annoying, but quite easy to fix as well
[05:19] <lovesh> i did sudo dpkg --configure -a and restarted my system but no help
[05:20] <valorie> are you also missing your shutdown button?
[05:20] <valorie> sounds like a mix of problems described in that post
[05:21] <lovesh> there is a shutdown button
[05:21] <lovesh> sound is not mute in kmix
[05:22] <valorie> when you go deeper into kmix, does everything look correct?
[05:22] <valorie> right devices present, etc.?
[05:22] <lovesh> looks correct to me
[05:22] <lovesh> what would you look in specific
[05:23] <valorie> well, if "dummy" was chosen, then that's obviously wrong
[05:23] <valorie> so, if you look in System Settings
[05:24] <valorie> in Hardware > Multimedia
[05:24] <valorie> choose configure Phonon
[05:24] <valorie> oops, now they call it "audio and video settings"
[05:24] <valorie> good change, IMO
[05:25] <Addle> hehe Prevents the user going "WTH is Phonon", certainly.
[05:25] <valorie> are you there?
[05:25] <valorie> right
[05:25] <lovesh> yes
[05:25] <lovesh> i was confused about phonon
[05:25] <arthurfiggis> valorie: i noticed that too...not that it's bad to advertise the technology but to your average desktop user it doesn't mean much :)
[05:25] <lovesh> didnt see it
[05:26] <valorie> that evidently is a recent change; sorry about that
[05:26] <arthurfiggis> that's why i like kde-oriented distros, the incremental changes are...sensible
[05:26] <valorie> so, is Music chosen? and if so, are the correct devices shown?
[05:26] <lovesh> yes it shows built in audio analog stereo
[05:27] <lovesh> but when i click test button i cant hear any sound
[05:27] <valorie> bleah
[05:27] <valorie> ok, look at backends tab
[05:28] <arthurfiggis> lovesh: i had to set the master channel in the audio app to the audio out to my speakers in order to get sound...otherwise it tried  to go out on hdmi
[05:28] <valorie> make sure something is there; probably gstreamer
[05:28] <lovesh> yes there is only one option Gstreamer
[05:28] <valorie> ok
[05:28] <valorie> vlc is an option, but gst is best for right now
[05:28] <valorie> so KDE is ok
[05:28] <lovesh> arthurfiggis: i have a laptop. But still where can i find it
[05:28] <valorie> now for PA (Pulseaudio)
[05:28] <lovesh> ok
[05:29] <arthurfiggis> lovesh: oh, to select the master channel for output you can just right click on the audio app in the system tray and there should be an option :) but i'm probably confusing you and valorie now sorry
[05:29] <valorie> you can control PA with a widget called "pavucontrol"
[05:29] <Addle> lovesh: I think he means if you right click on the KMix icon in the notification area, there's the Select Master Channel... entry.
[05:30] <valorie> yes, that's worthwhile checking before installing pavucontrol
[05:30] <valorie> just in case that works
[05:30] <arthurfiggis> Addle: Yes, that's the one :) I thought my sound wasn't working at first but it was just that the kmix icon set the hdmi volume by default
[05:30] <Addle> arthurfiggis: Been there. :)
[05:31] <rohan> anyone know how to install PyQt5 for Python 2 on ubuntu? I can't seem to find the appropriate package.
[05:31] <arthurfiggis> Addle: Oh everyone has I think...the best one was in my AP C++ course in high school, i sat in front of a monitor wondering why i wasn't getting any picture on the screen...until the teacher came by and turned the brightness up
[05:31] <arthurfiggis> and said something about me needing more sleep i  think :P
[05:32] <valorie> !info pyqt5
[05:32] <valorie> pfff
[05:32] <rohan> !info python3-pyqt5
[05:32] <rohan> but no python-pyqt5 or python2-pyqt5
[05:32] <lovesh> no in master channel  built in audio analog stereo
[05:33] <valorie> lovesh: then click the cashew, install the widget pavucontrol
[05:33] <valorie> hmmmm, maybe I'm confusing that name
[05:33] <valorie> !info pavucontrol
[05:33] <lovesh> cashew?
[05:33] <Addle> I think maybe
[05:33] <valorie> ah, ok
[05:34] <Addle> I was like "What, it's a widget now??" lol
[05:34] <valorie> so you can either install pavucontrol, or the widget which is something else
[05:34] <valorie> there is a widget
[05:35] <Addle> Veromix
[05:35] <arthurfiggis> pulseaudio, confusing everyone since 2004
[05:35] <valorie> hmmm, or there was
[05:35] <valorie> doesn't seem to be there now
[05:35] <valorie> ok, so pavucontrol is it
[05:36] <lovesh> valorie:  i installed  pavucontrol but no sound yet
[05:36] <valorie> arthurfiggis: but it used to suck
[05:36] <valorie> now it's good
[05:36] <valorie> run pavucontrol
[05:36] <lovesh>  i installed  pavucontrol from muon
[05:36] <valorie> and there you will see even more ways to control your sound
[05:36] <valorie> just installing it won't help
[05:36] <arthurfiggis> valorie: well, true...it took quite a while but i have no problems with it now on most systems, or with most programs :) plus unlike systemd it's actually cross platform
[05:37] <valorie> you use it to get to working sound
[05:38] <rohan> i also don't see any qt5-dev-tools package, similar to qt4-dev-tools
[05:38] <valorie> I have to use pavucontrol every time I install skype
[05:38] <lovesh> valorie: things look fine there
[05:38] <valorie> screws up sound consistently
[05:39] <arthurfiggis> rohan: qttools5-dev-tools maybe?
[05:39] <lovesh> my profile is analog stereo duplex
[05:39] <Addle> At least Skype stopped doing the "crackly sound" thing on me when I installed 13.10.
[05:39] <valorie> lovesh: does the monitor thing show sound playing or not?
[05:39] <lovesh> and my output is not mute
[05:39] <rohan> arthurfiggis: ah, thanks.. i was searching for "qt5", no idea i had to search for "qttools5"
[05:39] <valorie> you should be able to see sound playing, even if you can't hear it
[05:39] <rohan> arthurfiggis: any idea how to install the qt5 sdk also, please?
[05:40] <lovesh> yes it does
[05:40] <valorie> ok, so you should make some different choices until you can HEAR the sound that evidently IS playing
[05:40] <valorie> somewhere
[05:40] <valorie> silly Linux sound
[05:40] <lovesh> can u tell me where?
[05:41] <valorie> no, because everyone's system is different
[05:41] <lovesh> ok
[05:41] <valorie> just play with it for awhile
[05:41] <Addle> lovesh: Make sure the correct output is set as fallback (green circle with checkmark) in Output Devices, for one.
[05:41] <lovesh> Addle: yes i see a green circle
[05:41] <lovesh> with a check in it
[05:42] <Addle> lovesh: I presume it's depressed/selected.
[05:42] <lovesh> yes
[05:42] <arthurfiggis> rohan: yeah, i got confused with a lot of that myself, a lot of package names got shuffled around and ia32-libs metapackage is gone entirely :( as for the qt sdk...there is this metapackage: qt5-default - Qt 5 development defaults package
[05:42] <arthurfiggis> that should install most stuff...if you needed an ide, kdevelop or preferably qt creator would be good :)
[05:43] <rohan> arthurfiggis: awesome, thank you!
[05:43] <rohan> also any idea how to get the python2-pyqt5 bindings?
[05:43] <Addle> lovesh: I'm assuming it's also not muted there. :)
[05:44] <lovesh> no
[05:44] <arthurfiggis> rohan: hmm...i don't know that it's available for python 2 in 13.10, i only see the python3 version...but that's the default python version in 13.10 so it might be that it won't be backported to python2
[05:45] <valorie> I used to have to resort to alsamixer, but usually playing with pavucontrol eventually works
[05:45] <arthurfiggis> sorry, 2.7.5 is default in 13.10 :) i had a different version selected
[05:46] <Addle> lovesh: I assume your laptop doesn't have an actual physical volume or anything like that. You never know.
[05:46] <Addle> lovesh: It's often the simple things that get ya. :)
[05:46] <rohan> arthurfiggis: i don't think python3 is the default python: python --version still shows python3
[05:46] <rohan> arthurfiggis: er, python2
[05:47] <lovesh> actual physical volume? you mean like a knob on a speaker
[05:47] <lovesh> ?
[05:47] <Addle> That sort of thing, but on the laptop. My friend's laptop has one.
[05:47] <lovesh> no i dont have it
[05:47] <rohan> arthurfiggis: but you're right, looks like pyqt5 is only available in saucy, and only for python3
[05:47] <arthurfiggis> rohan: yes, you're right, i had a different version selected as default...sorry about that :) so yes it appears that as far as the default repositories go pyqt5 is available for python3...i suppose you might  be able to use easy_install in python2 to install it for that, assuming the build dependencies are also installed...
[05:48] <rohan> arthurfiggis: thanks. i was just curious, at this point it's better to use python3 anyway
[05:49] <lovesh> i just increased master volume on alsamixer gui and it works
[05:49] <arthurfiggis> rohan: no problem...i don't know too much about python myself so it might be available from somewhere
[05:49] <lovesh> thanks a lot
[05:49] <Addle> lovesh: Ahah, excellent!
[05:50] <lovesh> this community is amazing
[05:50] <rohan> arthurfiggis: since you know about this stuff: any idea how to start learning pyqt5?
[05:52] <valorie> lovesh: good to know you got success
[05:52] <valorie> sorry you had to take the long road there
[05:56] <Ledius> Hi
[05:58] <Ledius> I just upgraded to 13.10 and found out that there is new simpler networkmanager widget. Does anyone know easy way to get old widget back?
[05:59] <valorie> Ledius: I think it has been deprecated
[06:00] <valorie> you know you can get the same info with one click, right?
[06:02] <Ledius> valorie: You can?
[06:03] <valorie> click on the actual source and see
[06:04] <valorie> wireless, wired, etc.
[06:05] <goodtime> Ledius: just type in the search engine for the widget your looking for, should work...
[06:07] <Ledius> It would be nice if this new widget would show the actual connections when it is openend. One need to go editor to see which settings I am using at the moment. :/
[06:08] <Ledius> valorie: thanks
[06:08] <valorie> I didn't like the new one at first either
[06:09] <valorie> but within a day or so, I like it even better than the old one
[06:10] <Addle> Ledius: Not sure what you mean. Does it not show your "Active Connections" when you left click the icon in the notification area?
[06:11] <Addle> The graph when you click on the connection is keen, anyways. :)
[06:12] <Addle> And clicking on the wrench gives you the basic settings for it, and the edit connection button.
[06:12] <Ledius> Addle: No it does not, but now I see that it show the active connection if i let pointer to hoover over the widget.
[06:13] <Addle> Ledius: That's odd. Maybe it's collapsed? There's a + or - button in the top left to collapse or expand the list (e.g. in front of "Active Connections").
[06:14] <Addle> Ledius: You should still be able to get active connections, list of active wireless connections, a list of wireless networks around you, etc.
[06:14] <Addle> Ledius: By left clicking on the icon, that is.
[06:14] <Ledius> There is only lists of previous connections and unknown connections.
[06:14] <Ledius> With the left click.
[06:15] <Addle> Ledius: Right above that, there *should* also be one for "Active Connections". So that's rather odd.
[06:16] <Ledius> Addle: No only those two.
[06:16] <Ledius> Strange, why it does not show it for me....
[06:17] <Addle> Ledius: I don't think that's normal, which I suppose is good to know. lol  I'm on a desktop and the only thing in that list is, in fact, "Active Connections", since I don't have wireless.
[06:17] <Addle> Ledius: Aye, there's the rub. :)
[06:22] <Ledius> Hmmm.. .I need to look how I can get widget to work correctly...
[06:22] <Addle> Ledius: All I can think of is that maybe it's scrolled down past it. But other than that, I have no idea where to even start, if it's indeed missing completely.
[06:26] <Ledius> Addle: I colapset the previous connections and unknown connection and cannot scoll the list anywhere. So at leas I cannot see where it could hide.
[06:27] <valorie> if you have no wireless card, or there are no wireless signals, why would the section even exist?
[06:27] <valorie> I have no "previous connection" section
[06:27] <valorie> since I'm using the same wireless access I always do at home
[06:27] <Ledius> I have wireless but currently i am using wired.
[06:28] <valorie> I expect I'll see that if I take the laptop somewhere else
[06:28] <Addle> valorie: Yeah, I think it shows up only once you've gotten a stored access point and changed to another one.
[06:29] <valorie> I like it when software shows some intelligence
[06:30] <Addle> I turned the widget on just to troubleshoot (it was hidden since I only have wired), and I think I'll keep it just for the graph. :)
[06:31] <Addle> That's a good motto: "KDE: It shows some intelligence". :)
[06:31] <goodtime> widgets are useless eyecandy i guess
[06:32] <goodtime> few are useful
[06:32] <Addle> Well, that one for me is mostly eye-candy, I suppose. But I wouldn't go that far.
[06:32] <goodtime> i like the terminal panel widget
[06:33] <goodtime> and the system monitor one
[06:33] <Addle> I'm liking the new IM stuff in this release. Widgets included.
[06:36] <Ledius> Addle: Hmm.. Now that I did purge plasma-nm and reinstalled it it show active connections.
[06:36] <Addle> Ledius: Oh, well that's good, then! hehe
[06:37] <Ledius> Hmm. I woder is the reinstall the reason or that it was in the system tray. Now I added it as a separate widget.
[06:37] <Ledius> Thanks for the help!
[06:38] <Addle> Ledius: np :)  I suppose it's worth testing by putting it back in the tray. I would assume it would show up there, as well.
[06:38] <eagles0513875> hey guys i have a very annoying issue. I installed soundkonverter and I am getting a post install configuration script issue of timidity.
[06:39] <eagles0513875> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6274934/ now I cannot install any updates or purge timidity because of the mentioned issue can anyone help me rectify the situation
[06:39] <Ledius> Addle: Even in the system tray it show the active connections list.
[06:40] <Addle> Ledius: Good, all is well then. I'll have to remember the solution in case anyone else has that rather strange issue.
[06:43] <eagles0513875> hey Addle
[06:44] <Addle> eagles0513875: Do you have this in /etc/passwd: "timidity:x:119:130:TiMidity++ MIDI sequencer service:/etc/timidity:/bin/false"?
[06:44] <Addle> Hi eagles0513875 :)
[06:45] <eagles0513875> i dunno let me check
[06:45] <Addle> eagles0513875: Or something like that anyways. It says it created the user, but somehow I have my doubts.
[06:45] <Addle> eagles0513875: The 119 and 130 might be different, of course.
[06:45] <eagles0513875> Addle: no i dont have anything there
[06:45] <Addle> eagles0513875: Wonder what the heck happened to the adduser call.
[06:46] <eagles0513875> i dunno where would i need to look at the post install script
[06:46] <eagles0513875> cuz that might be handy at this point
[06:46] <Addle> eagles0513875: Should be able to add that (and the group) manually, I suppose, but maybe the adduser command is borked or something.
[06:47] <Addle> eagles0513875: I have both soundkonverter and timidity installed, and it seems to have worked fine for me.
[06:47] <Addle> eagles0513875: Perhaps there's an error message in a log file in /var/log/apt/
[06:47] <eagles0513875> Addle: im on 13.10
[06:47] <Addle> eagles0513875: Same.
[06:48] <eagles0513875> Addle: that is very useless
[06:48] <eagles0513875> that /var/log/apt/ directory and whats in it
[06:48] <eagles0513875> tells you what i pastebinned
[06:48] <Addle> eagles0513875: Ah, well that's not useful, you're right. It says it succeeded in adding the user. Clearly not.
[06:50] <Addle> eagles0513875: Hm, I have a theory. It didn't add the group first.
[06:50] <Addle> Why the heck are there carriage returns in my /var/log/apt/term.log file... lol
[06:50] <eagles0513875> Addle: mine too
[06:51] <eagles0513875> Addle: i cannot afford to bork my system right now
[06:51] <Addle> eagles0513875: Anyways, before it adds the user, on mine, it first says "Adding group timidity....done"
[06:51] <Addle> eagles0513875: Yours didn't. Maybe if you just add the group first, the rest will run ok.
[06:51] <eagles0513875> Addle: doesnt it do some special stuff with the group etc
[06:52] <Addle> eagles0513875: No clue, but the adduser probably needs the group added first.
[06:52] <eagles0513875> Addle: wont i need to add the user to the group then
[06:53] <Addle> eagles0513875: And also add the user to the 'audio' group.
[06:53] <Addle> eagles0513875: Honestly, I always edit those files directly instead of using the command. Old habit, I guess.
[06:55] <Addle> eagles0513875: The line in my /etc/group file is just "timidity:x:130:". Of course, that number is chosen simply because it was the next free group id.
[06:55] <eagles0513875> Addle: i would prefer to fix the scipt and let it do it all automatically for me
[06:56] <Addle> eagles0513875: Might be tricky to fix it in the .deb file. Non-trivial, anyways.
[06:56] <eagles0513875> Addle: this is what i find interesting groups: timidity: no such user adduser: The user `timidity' does not exist.
[06:56] <eagles0513875> i dont have the user or the group created
[06:57] <Addle> eagles0513875: Perhaps just a reinstall. Maybe sudo apt-get install timidity-daemon --reinstall
[06:58] <Addle> eagles0513875: That's certainly strange, yeah. groups just prints the groups a user is in. And there's no such user until adduser is called. That *is* strange.
[06:59] <eagles0513875> no that didnt do it
[07:01] <Addle> eagles0513875: Honestly, I have no idea what went wrong, there. I mean you've probably got the same version that worked fine for me: 2.13.2-40.1
[07:01] <Addle> eagles0513875: Is the timidity package itself installed?
[07:01] <eagles0513875> Addle: same version
[07:02] <eagles0513875> Addle: timidity is installed
[07:02] <eagles0513875> the daemon is a dependency on it
[07:02] <Addle> eagles0513875: Curiouser and curiouser.
[07:02] <eagles0513875> ?
[07:02] <Addle> Sherlock Holmes speak for "WTF". :)
[07:06] <eagles0513875> Addle: you spelled it wrong
[07:06] <eagles0513875> oh no you didnt haha
[07:06] <eagles0513875> if you look at it closly it looks like curio user :p
[07:06] <eagles0513875> Addle: from where in system settings can i add the user and group?
[07:06] <Addle> Add a strange font to your problems. lol
[07:07] <eagles0513875> lol
[07:07] <Addle> eagles0513875: There's a new "User Manager" in System Administration in the system settings. Maybe that'll do it.
[07:08] <eagles0513875> Addle: do i add myself to the timidity user and group i create?
[07:08] <Addle> eagles0513875: No, I don't think so. Just the daemon will run as that user and group.
[07:09] <eagles0513875> ok that only seems to work for users
[07:09] <eagles0513875> i cannot add just groups etc
[07:09] <Addle> eagles0513875: Doesn't look like the User Manager is meant to add this kind of user to the system. For example, you can't give it a shell of /bin/false.
[07:09] <eagles0513875> i probably can for my user
[07:09] <Addle> I'd just add the group manually, then try the install again.
[07:09] <eagles0513875> ok
[07:09] <eagles0513875> group and user though no?
[07:10] <eagles0513875> or just add group and not the user
[07:10] <Addle> Well, maybe with the group there, the actual adduser will work.
[07:10] <Addle> Just pick the next group id and use that number in place of my 130: "timidity:x:130:"
[07:11] <Addle> This much, at least, is easily reversible and extremely unlikely to mess anything up.
[07:11] <eagles0513875> ok
[07:12] <eagles0513875> Addle: looking at the /etc/passwd file 130 isnt in use
[07:12] <Addle> eagles0513875: The 130 is the group ID, not the user ID.
[07:12] <Addle> eagles0513875: Just pick the next available number in /etc/group
[07:12] <Addle> eagles0513875: To be specific, that line goes in /etc/group
[07:13] <eagles0513875> Addle: in group timidity:x:129: that is there
[07:13] <eagles0513875> there is somethign more sinister up here i have to say
[07:13] <eagles0513875> the group is there
[07:13] <Guest76146> whats the relationship between Kubuntu and Ubuntu at this point?  Is there a place on web site that states it?
[07:13] <eagles0513875> Guest48686: what do you mean the differences between the two?
[07:14] <eagles0513875> Addle: i am wondering if a bug report should be filed?
[07:14] <Guest76146> I didn't ask that.  How are the projects orgazined?
[07:14] <Addle> eagles0513875: The actual command it runs to then add the user is: adduser --quiet --system --ingroup timidity --no-create-home --disabled-password timidity
[07:14] <Addle> eagles0513875: I'd leave out the --quiet, though.
[07:14] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:14] <Addle> eagles0513875: And the group add command it uses is: addgroup --quiet --system timidity
[07:15] <goodtime> well for that matter Guest76146 whats debian then
[07:15] <Addle> Mornin', lordievader
[07:15] <eagles0513875> Addle: Adding system user `timidity' (UID 119) ... Adding new user `timidity' (UID 119) with group `timidity' ... useradd: existing lock file /etc/subgid.lock without a PID useradd: cannot lock /etc/subgid; try again later. adduser: `/usr/sbin/useradd -d /home/timidity -g timidity -s /bin/false -u 119 timidity' returned error code 18.  Just make sure you don't have any programs that might be in the middle of adding a user if you delete it.
[07:16] <goodtime> i played alot of blues on my harmonicas and new amp and mic
[07:16] <eagles0513875> Addle: i have nothign creating new users
[07:16] <Addle> eagles0513875: As I recall, you can tell what, if anything, has it opene with fuser -a FILETOCHECK
[07:16] <goodtime> i get my les paul tommrow morning
[07:16] <eagles0513875> Addle: nothing is using it :)
[07:16] <Addle> goodtime: Nice, hope you enjoy it. :)
[07:17] <goodtime> i guess all ubuntu /kubuntu is all Debian
[07:17] <Addle> eagles0513875: Ok, just zap the darn thing and try to reinstall the package, then.
[07:17] <goodtime> so to speek i guess
[07:17] <lordievader> goodtime: Shall we go to #kubuntu-offtopic for offtopic chatter?
[07:17] <eagles0513875> that did the trick Addle
[07:17] <Addle> lordievader: And I've been watching Netflix and helping out around here.
[07:17] <goodtime> yes lordievader
[07:17] <Addle> lordievader: Already there, and yes :)
[07:18] <Addle> eagles0513875: Awesome. And that certainly explains why it didn't work properly. Don't ask me what left that lock file there, mind you.
[07:19] <eagles0513875> Addle: im going to file a bug report in case anyone else has the same issue
[07:19] <eagles0513875> thanks for your help
[07:20] <Addle> eagles0513875: You're welcome :)  Though I'm not sure a bug report will help unless we know what left the lock file there. As for the package itself and the installation, it did what it was supposed to in that situation. The error was really whatever left the lock file there.
[07:20] <eagles0513875> ok.
[07:39] <jussi> hrr, this new network manager is weird. how does one set a static IP for wired networks ?
[07:40] <jussi> (I need to flash my router)
[07:42] <lordievader> jussi: /etc/network/interfaces ? Disables the NM, but it works.
[07:42] <jussi> lordievader: more instructions please?
[07:42] <Ledius> jussi: From the edit connections you can do it.
[07:43] <jussi> Ledius: how? I dont see it in the new network manager
[07:43] <Addle> jussi: Just left click on the network management icon in the system tray, then click on the wrench in the bottom right corner.
[07:43] <jussi> Ledius: Im in there, I click edit ont he wired connection, then what?
[07:43] <excognac_> hi all
[07:43] <Addle> jussi: Then "Edit Connections".
[07:44] <Addle> jussi: The app that launches has an "Add" button in the toolbar.
[07:44] <jussi> yes, but I doint see an option for changing it to static IP...
[07:44] <excognac_> how do i find out a scanners' usb vendor id if not automatically recognized?
[07:45] <Ledius> jussi: After you have selected wired connection there should be ipv4 tab.
[07:45] <Addle> jussi: If you edit the connection, it'll be in the "IPv4" tab. Change the method.
[07:45] <Ledius> jussi: Method should be manual.
[07:47] <jussi> Ledius: yep, got it now, thanks
[07:48] <Ledius> jussi: no problem.
[07:49] <Addle> excognac_: It might show up in dmesg.
[07:49] <excognac_> Addle: lsusb ?
[07:49] <Addle> excognac_: Usually with "New USB device found" on the same line.
[07:50] <Addle> excognac_: Even better. :)
[08:01] <excognac_> is it possible that i don't have gedit in 12.04? or is there any other kubuntu specific for the same? is that katE?
[08:02] <Addle> excognac_: Yep, kate is the KDE editor.
[08:05] <excognac_> so why sudo gedit /etc/sane.d/dll.conf doesn't work well if i just substituate gedit with kate?
[08:06] <lordievader> excognac_: You want "kdesudo" for gui applications.
[08:06] <Addle> excognac_: That's a good question. That works for me. Any interesting error messages?
[08:07] <Addle> excognac_: Oh, you're not launching that on the command line? Bad assumption on my part. What lordievader said, then.
[08:08] <lordievader> Addle: Also on the commandline you should use kdesudo for gui applications.
[08:09] <Addle> lordievader: Hm, I didn't know that. What's the drawback of just 'sudo' in this case?
[08:09] <lordievader> Addle: It might create permission errors as things are made by the user root in your homedir.
[08:10] <Addle> lordievader: Oh, ouch, yeah. That makes sense. Thanks.
[08:16] <Addle> lordievader: Interesting, kdesudo uses /root. Didn't know it did that. Awesome.
[08:27] <excognac_> lordievader: exactly, that was in the error message and thanks a lot
[08:27] <lordievader> excognac_: No problem.
[09:25] <Guest15456> Hi..
[09:27] <Guest15456> how to enable other log in kubuntu
[09:27] <lordievader> Guest15456: What do you mean with other login?
[09:28] <Guest15456> like windows domain user
[09:28] <lordievader> Guest15456: I'm not familiar with that, could you be more specific?
[09:30] <Guest15456> in ubuntu we will edit this file /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf to enable windows domain user log in
[09:31] <Guest15456> like how we can enable in kubuntu
[09:32] <lordievader> Guest15456: Still not entirely clear what you want to do, but Kubuntu uses Lightdm just like Ubuntu does. So I think you can do the same thing you would do in Ubuntu.
[09:33] <Guest15456> when i serch in the google i also got the same thing
[09:34] <Guest15456> but am not able to modify or access lightdm file in kubuntu
[09:35] <lordievader> Guest15456: You need root for that: sudo nano /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[09:35] <fiore> cia0
[09:37] <Guest15456> can u guide me for further steps
[09:37] <lordievader> Guest15456: No, because I don't know what you are trying to do.
[09:39] <Guest15456> i have joinde kubuntu machine to windows doamin and now domain users need to log in this machine.
[09:39] <hateball> !info kuser
[09:39] <Addle> Guest15456: From a quickie google search, at least in 12.04, you had to add "greeter-show-manual-login=true" to that lightdm.conf
[09:39] <hateball> I havent used it myself, but according to http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-13.10 it can be used to manage LDAP users
[09:40] <hateball> If... I am understanding this right
[09:40] <Addle> Guest15456: Says it will then give you the option to login with your Active Directory Domain account. Take it as you will.
[09:40] <Guest15456> i have installed 12.04 LTS
[09:41] <Addle> Guest15456: Ah, well, give that a try then.
[09:42] <Guest15456> ok, i will try know please wait
[09:43] <lordievader> Ah, 12.04 uses kdm...
[09:44] <yossarianuk> kubuntu 13.10 is broken for UEFI system
[09:45] <yossarianuk> results in not being able to boot
[09:45] <yossarianuk> just stuck on the grub2 cli...
[09:45] <Addle> yossarianuk: I had that issue. sec...
[09:45] <Addle> yossarianuk: First, ensure SecureBoot is OFF.
[09:46] <yossarianuk> secureboot is off
[09:46] <yossarianuk> (its never been on..)
[09:46] <yossarianuk> I know the fix
[09:46] <Addle> yossarianuk: Then, boot the DVD and use boot-repair.
[09:46] <Addle> yossarianuk: Oh, ok then.
[09:46] <yossarianuk> so 0- your left with an unbootable system
[09:46] <yossarianuk> so you need to go into the livecd
[09:46] <yossarianuk> mount the efi partition
[09:46] <yossarianuk> then
[09:47] <yossarianuk> cp -r /boot/efi/EFI/kubuntu  /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu
[09:47] <yossarianuk> everything works now.
[09:47] <yossarianuk> this needs fixing.....
[09:47] <Addle> yossarianuk: Nice to know that shorter method without using boot-repair.
[09:47] <Guest15456> how to add domain user in kuser
[09:47] <Addle> yossarianuk: Yes, it sure does!
[09:48] <yossarianuk> but it would need the .iso rewrtiing..
[09:49] <Addle> Possibly explains why it's an issue on Kubuntu but not necessarily Ubuntu. Wish I'd known that bit when I was installing my friend's laptop.
[09:52] <Addle> As I recall, the manual partition phase of the install also had /dev/sda as the boot loader destination in EFI. Should be the EFI partition, from what I've gathered.
[09:53] <Addle> As the default, that is. Which probably it shouldn't be with EFI.
[09:55] <Guest15456> how to add windows doamin user in kubuntu
[09:55] <yossarianuk> Also the 'fix' may cause an issue if you also have ubuntu as well as kubunut
[09:55] <yossarianuk> *kubuntu*
[09:55] <yossarianuk> but who in their right mind would use Unity....
[09:56] <yossarianuk> Addle: I don;t think that is the issue or my 'fix' wouldn;t workl.
[09:56] <Addle> yossarianuk: No, not the boot loader destination default. Just wrong in general.
[09:57] <Addle> Though I'm far from an authority on EFI, ATM.
[09:57] <yossarianuk> it says /dev/sda - but when EFI is detected it doesn;t write to mrb
[09:57] <yossarianuk> *MBR*
[09:57] <yossarianuk> I think....
[09:58] <Addle> yossarianuk: You may be right. Unsure if that really caused me issues or not.
[09:59] <Guest15456> Hi Addle r u there
[09:59] <yossarianuk> basically UEFI is buggered by default and its a Kubuntu specific issue..
[09:59] <Addle> Guest15456: Yep
[10:00] <yossarianuk> Addle - please add yourself to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1242417
[10:00] <Guest15456> Addle how can i add domain user in kuser
[10:00] <yossarianuk> (to say your effected by the issue)
[10:01] <IppatsuMan> Guest15456: there´s an article on the Wiki about supporting authentication with Active Directory: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryWinbindHowto - I never used, so don´t ask me for additional details.
[10:02] <Addle> yossarianuk: Done. And thank you for being awesome enough to log the issue in the bug tracker. :)
[10:02] <yossarianuk> np
[10:02] <yossarianuk> I want the issue fixed.........
[10:03] <Addle> yossarianuk: Yeah, without boot-repair, I'd be stuck telling my friend to boot at the grub menu with 'configfile (hd0,gpt2)/EFI/kubuntu/grub.conf'. lol
[10:17] <amichair> Addle: just wanted to update for anyone whom it may help that linking the apache config files from config-enabled did the trick.  According to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/phpMyAdmin the conf.d folder is no longer loaded by apache. Unfortunately the docs at https://help.ubuntu.com/13.10/serverguide/httpd.html have no mention of this, or even of the existence of conf-enabled dir...
[10:18] <Bulent09> Hi I upgraded to 13.10 from 04.13 Xfce gnome-volume-icon, but there is a solution there but does not work for
[10:19] <Addle> amichair: There's a link at the bottom of that page to report errors in the documentation that might be useful to get it fixed.
[10:25] <amichair> Addle: will do
[10:35] <amichair> Addle: bug #1242622
[10:40] <Addle> amichair: Looks good! Thanks.
[10:45] <nevsky> hello, I couldn't upgrade to 13.10 and looking for some help. Am I right here?
[10:46] <Addle> Well, I'm out. See you fine folks tomorrow.
[10:46] <yossarianuk> goodbye Addle:
[10:47] <Addle> nevsky: You're in a good place to find help, yes. :)  State your problem and hopefully someone will pick up the torch and help you.
[10:48] <nevsky> thanks, when I tried to upgrade to 13.10 the upgrade-process got interrupted and everything was put back to the previous state: was not able to upgrade...
[10:51] <nevsky> An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade. This can be caused by:
[10:51] <nevsky> * Upgrading to a pre-release version of Ubuntu
[10:51] <nevsky> * Running the current pre-release version of Ubuntu
[10:51] <nevsky> * Unofficial software packages not provided by Ubuntu
[10:51] <FloodBotK1> nevsky: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:57] <littlebit> hi people,
[11:03] <littlebit> I have a hp LaserJet P2015n on my network. And I need a little assistance in installing a printer for the first time on kubuntu please
[11:09] <chachan> littlebit, System Settings > Printers
[11:10] <chachan> did you get there already?
[11:10] <littlebit> chachan: yes I did
[11:13] <littlebit> chachan: and then?
[11:13] <chachan> littlebit, did you try adding it?
[11:13] <chachan> clicking the "click to add a new printer" or so
[11:14] <littlebit> chachan: yes I did try adding it, but kubuntu says that host is not reachable. Although I made sure that the printer has power and network.
[11:15] <yossarianuk> littlebit: try and nmap the IP of the printer...
[11:15] <chachan> littlebit, are you able to ping the printer from the host you're trying to connect to?
[11:15] <chachan> ok
[11:15] <littlebit> chachan: I did nmap on it. it went fine
[11:15] <chachan> ok
[11:16] <littlebit> ping went well to
[11:16] <littlebit> i'm sure that  I'am missing something little
[11:17] <chachan> littlebit, did you install the HP drivers?
[11:17] <littlebit> chachan: already installed, my first question is: what do I choose? "ipp", "ipps" ....?
[11:18] <chachan> littlebit, did you install hpijs-ppds?
[11:19] <chachan> littlebit, well, you better try which fits better with the printer
[11:19] <chachan> :)
[11:19] <littlebit> chachan: true, but what do I enter under "queue"
[11:20] <littlebit> chachan: hpijs-ppds is not installed. Installing it now
[11:20] <chachan> littlebit, http://openprinting.org/printer/HP/HP-LaserJet_P2015 says that printer uses PPD
[11:21] <chachan> littlebit, did you try leaving empty the queue field or whatever is?
[12:06] <Harbort> Hey, I would like to report a bug in the installation of kubuntu, but I couldn't find on the website how to do that
[12:19] <tsimpson> Harbort: what's the issue?
[12:23] <Harbort> It's a problem of how the grub installation has been customised
[12:23] <Harbort> At least when installing in EFI mode
[12:23] <Harbort> it creates EFI/kubuntu folder
[12:24] <Harbort> but somehow, it is still configured to go look for EFI\ubuntu
[12:24] <Harbort> although I don't know where
[12:24] <Harbort> does it make sense?
[12:25] <tsimpson> bug #1242417
[12:25] <tsimpson> Harbort: ^
[12:26] <Harbort> tsimpson: indeed, thanks
[12:27] <Harbort> hopefully, it will get fixed soon (although the quick fix is easy)
[12:35] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[12:49] <mizoe> i have install dot net and visual studio, how can i have access to msbuild now?
[13:01] <yossarianuk> Harbort: please mark on the big report that the bug effects you...
[13:01] <yossarianuk> ps the 'fix' is a workaround...
[13:01] <yossarianuk> (i did the bug report btw)
[13:18] <LeeJunFan> Is it normal for the new network plasmoid to not remember any of the old network plasmoid networks?  I have a ton of wireless networks with no passwords now.
[13:18] <LeeJunFan> Oh, and VPN's :(
[13:21] <LeeJunFan> Okay. Found most of them from the /etc/NetworkManager dir.
[13:37] <BluesKaj> LeeJunFan. the vpns are listed if you enable the vpn tab in nm settings , but the pws have to be added manually
[13:37] <LeeJunFan> BluesKaj: thanks. I got them all back. I had re-installed my system and expected them to be in my $HOME dir. As soon as I copied from my backup of /etc/NetworkManager they all came back. Didn't even have to log out.
[13:38] <LeeJunFan> I didn't even need my pw's.
[13:38] <BluesKaj> \lee and the when connected via vpn the "not connected red circle indicator appears on top of the connected icon , on ethernet at least
[13:39] <BluesKaj> LeeJunFan. ^
[13:41] <BluesKaj> LeeJunFan. that's good to hear about alkl the pws and vpn servers
[13:42] <BluesKaj> alkl=all
[13:42] <Fruit> unfortunately that means that all your passwords are stored outside any ecryptfs encrypted /home you might have
[13:42] <Harbort> yossarianuk: Done!
[13:43] <yossarianuk> good stuff !
[13:44] <yossarianuk> (the more people that report it the better) - there are lots of ppl with same isssue on their google+ 'hel' page
[13:44] <yossarianuk> *help*
[13:44] <BluesKaj> Fruit.  a home user , not worried about encrypted pws
[13:45] <Fruit> encryption is useful for your personal laptop as well
[13:47] <LeeJunFan> Fruit: That's true. I'll have to move that to my /home partition (luks) and link it.
[13:47] <BluesKaj> encyption is useful ? why , it's nothing a pita for ppl like me
[13:48] <Fruit> I'd like my personal files to stay personal, even if I lose my lappy
[13:48] <LeeJunFan> It's useful if your machine is ever lost or stolen and you have sensitive data on there, especially if you have data belonging to other people (clients you work for).
[13:48] <Fruit> and with ecryptfs it's completely hassle-free
[13:50] <LeeJunFan> I personally prefer luks as ecryptfs has burned me several times with random access to large files. It crawls and can pretty much lock the system up when using torrent or virtual machines.
[13:50] <BluesKaj> my experience with encyption was not a good one , so despite the secutity risk you guys may think it is , I'll take my chances
[13:51] <Fruit> yeah I may switch to luks some day
[13:57] <aboudreault> anyone has some recommendation about kubuntu vs netrunner ?
[14:00] <BluesKaj> netrunner is a nice OS , so is kubuntu , depends on what you want . Netrunner has a lot of networking apps that kubuntu doesn't come with by default , and the app meniu is different , some gtk network apps a swell
[14:00] <BluesKaj> aboudreault.^
[14:02] <aboudreault> BluesKaj, ok,
[14:03] <aboudreault> BluesKaj, for a developer,/advanced linux user... I think both are also appropriate?
[14:14] <yossarianuk> Harbort: not sure if you just commented on the bug report - can you also click ' this bug effects me' also if you already haven't...
[14:15] <BluesKaj> aboudreault. I have both installed , but I tend to use Kubuntu mostly
[14:16] <aboudreault> BluesKaj, no particular reason?
[14:16] <BluesKaj> aboudreault. mainly because I'm usually testing kubuntu dev releases
[14:17] <BluesKaj> for example I'm already running 14.04 , but it's still mostly 13.10 with new name in reality
[14:24] <aboudreault> ok
[14:38] <Harbort> yossarianuk: I had only commented (didn't see the affect me link at the top)
[14:45] <yossarianuk> Harbort: thanks
[14:45] <yossarianuk> i'm in the #kubuntu-devel room also people are looking at it .
[14:52] <nevsky> Hi there, my upgrade to 13.10 didn't work, it interupted the process and stopped
[14:52] <nevsky> can anybody help please?
[15:06] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: you have a terminal open?
[15:10] <nevsky> yes
[15:11] <nevsky> LeeJunFan : I have one open
[15:13] <nevsky> LeeJunFan: what shall I do?
[15:13] <LeeJunFan> you're going to want to be root, sudo -i
[15:13] <nevsky> okay
[15:14] <LeeJunFan> Then try: apt-get -f install
[15:14] <LeeJunFan> To finish up any half-configured/installed packages.
[15:14] <shadeslayer> nevsky: also, that's not enough info
[15:14] <nevsky> it sayed nothing to be done
[15:15] <shadeslayer> what exactly happened? Can you pastebin some sort of error? maybe logs from /var/log
[15:16] <shadeslayer> check /var/log/dist-upgrade/
[15:16] <shadeslayer> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUpdateManager
[15:17] <nevsky> okay
[15:17] <nevsky> shall I paste that?
[15:18] <nevsky> what exactly would you need to help me?
[15:19] <LeeJunFan> To know where and why it stopped, to figure out what state it left your machine in.
[15:20] <LeeJunFan> most likely the apt.log is going to give us what we want to know.
[15:27] <nevsky> LeeJunFan did you check my paste?
[15:28] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: didn't get a link to it.
[15:28] <nevsky> http://pastebin.kde.org/p1vn4vrk8#
[15:28] <nevsky> LeeJunFan: now?
[15:29] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: yeah. I see it now.
[15:30] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: It hasn't yet done anything to your system, which is good. At least it's better than leaving it 1/2 updated.
[15:30] <nevsky> LeeJunFan: yes, you are right. But can I do next?
[15:31] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: unfortunately, it doesn't really say anythign useful about why it failed.
[15:31] <nevsky> LeeJunFan: shall I paste somthing from the /var/log ?
[15:32] <LeeJunFan> There's a good chance that you have installed packages from other sources that are in conflict with packages that need to be replaced to upgrade. Probably from ppa's.
[15:33] <nevsky> yes, but I clicked them off at the source-manager
[15:33] <nevsky> still didn't work
[15:34] <LeeJunFan> You would actually have to remove the packages that were installed previously from ppa to resolve the issues.
[15:34] <LeeJunFan> dpkg -l | grep ppa
[15:34] <LeeJunFan> Should give you a list that's mostly filtered.
[15:35] <nevsky> http://pastebin.kde.org/pajaejveh
[15:35] <nevsky> that is my list
[15:36] <nevsky> do you see anything?
[15:36] <LeeJunFan> Your best bet is to use the ppa-purge command to remove anything from any of the ppa's you had previously enabled.
[15:37] <LeeJunFan> lines 3-11 are all ppa packages.
[15:37] <nevsky> should I remove them by using ppa-purge?
[15:38] <root______> hi
[15:38] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: that would be best because it should re-install any packages that have been replaced.
[15:39] <BluesKaj> nevsky. you can also open /etc/apt/sources.list.d as root and remove the ppas there
[15:40] <LeeJunFan> yeah, but he needs to remove the packages previously installed as well, as they are conflicting with his ability to upgrade.
[15:40] <__Ercan__> 1
[15:40] <LeeJunFan> Not just the sources
[15:42] <nevsky> okay, what was the command I have to type in again?
[15:42] <nevsky> ppa -purge "name"   ?
[15:43] <BluesKaj> ppl forget to update upgrade before the release upgrade which also mucks up the install , sometimes ...and muon for some reason doesn't always drop the ppas when removed in sources
[15:43] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: yes, the ppa name.
[15:43] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: just run ppa-purge by itself to get the syntax/help
[15:44] <BluesKaj> nevsky. make sure the ppas aren't listed or enabled in muon settings>sources
[15:44] <nevsky> okay
[15:47] <LeeJunFan> ppa-purge should disable it. It may need it to be enabled in order for it to match packages from the PPA in the apt cache.
[15:48] <BluesKaj> ppas in the sources.list and package mangement is becoming messy ...this problem is getting worse
[15:49] <LeeJunFan> Yeah. I would think the update procedure should automatically ppa-purge everything first.
[15:49] <nevsky> sorry, I'm getting confused now
[15:49] <nevsky> what should I do next please?
[15:50] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: cd to /etc/apt/sources.list.d, ls, then cat the file for a ppa source
[15:50] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: gimme a min to get a paste ready to help you.
[15:51] <nevsky> okay
[15:53] <BluesKaj> could use the run command , alt+F2  to open /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[15:54] <BluesKaj> kdesudo dolphin /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[15:56] <nevsky> what to do with that list?
[15:58] <BluesKaj> those are your ppas, nevsky , if they haven't been purged yet
[15:58] <BluesKaj> delete them
[15:59] <nevsky> okay, but LeeJunFan said not just by deleting
[15:59] <LeeJunFan> http://pastebin.kde.org/p3v1eveew
[15:59] <nevsky> I should use ppa-purge, right?
[15:59] <LeeJunFan> Yes. Don't just delete your sources, the packages previously installed will remain, and those are your problem.
[16:00] <LeeJunFan> In fact you should use ppa-purge rather than removing your sources. ppa-purge will disable them.
[16:00] <BluesKaj> hmm, haven't had that problem after removing ppas
[16:01] <BluesKaj> but cleaning house is a good thing
[16:03] <BluesKaj> nevsky. for safety's sake follow LeeJunFan 's commands and advice , I didn't mean to confuse the situation
[16:04] <nevsky> okay thanks
[16:04] <nevsky> I try now
[16:05] <LeeJunFan> Once you get the ppa's purged, you should be able to proceed with update. I've got to run out now, but I'll be back within an hour.
[16:10] <BluesKaj> BBL , as well , lunchtime
[16:32] <nevsky> sorry, LeeJunFan, it doesn't work.
[16:32] <nevsky> I have to leave now as well
[16:32] <nevsky> but come back in appr. 3 hours
[16:32] <nevsky> try agian
[16:32] <nevsky> thanks so far
[16:43] <LeeJunFan> BluesKaj: man, nevsky takes a long lunch. lol
[16:51] <BluesKaj> LeeJunFan. maybe he's at work , and needs to some done :)
[16:51] <BluesKaj> get some done that is
[17:41] <aboudreault> BluesKaj, is there any alternate install disk image for 13.10?
[17:43] <tsimpson> aboudreault: nope
[17:43] <aboudreault> ok
[17:45] <BluesKaj> aboudreault. unless you use the server edition then install the desktop
[17:46] <LeeJunFan> Yeah, the server image. Just install the minimum then install kubuntu-desktop package after setup.
[17:46] <aboudreault> I have in mind that the desktop install is limited. ie. partitionning (lvm), encrypted home etc. is this still valid?
[17:47] <tsimpson> that should no longer be the case, that's why the alternate installer was scrapped
[17:47] <aboudreault> alright. cool.
[17:48] <LeeJunFan> The graphical one seems to have lvm and encryption now. However, it failed while trying to set up the luks, so I ended up setting up luks by hand from the live desktop, then ran the installer.
[17:48] <aboudreault> LeeJunFan, with 13.10?
[17:48] <LeeJunFan> Yeah. Maybe you'll have better luck.
[17:48] <aboudreault> ok
[17:49] <LeeJunFan> I set up ext2 /boot, btrfs /, and was going to do /home with luks and it said it couldn't create the key.
[17:52] <aboudreault> LeeJunFan, out of curiosity, why ext2 for /boot ?
[17:54] <LeeJunFan> aboudreault: old habit mostly I guess. lol. Boot is rarely ever written to, so journaling isn't really a big deal. I actually tried using btrfs for /boot too, since grub 2 is supposed to support it, but grub-install failed during setup when using btrfs.
[17:54] <zacarias> How do you share your intenet connection via wi-fi? For instance, if you have a connection which comes from a USB broadband router or from ethernet and you want to share it via wi-fi with other computers, smartphones, etc?
[17:55] <aboudreault> LeeJunFan, ok.
[17:55] <LeeJunFan> mountall doesn't seem to like btrfs with luks either. During boot it asks for the password and opens the encrypted volume but it doesn't get mounted. After my system boots I have to switch virtual terminals and mount /home before I log into kde.
[17:56] <Whiskey`Wonka> anyone know how to get 64bit google earth working on 13.10 ??
[17:57] <Whiskey`Wonka> installing via dpkg ays unresolved depends but doesnt say what they are
[17:57] <LeeJunFan> zacarias: the only way I know of (someone correct me if I'm wrong) is to use hostapd. It's kind of an in-depth procedure which requires a decent understanding of lan networking, dhcp and dns server.
[17:58] <LeeJunFan> zacarias: I suppose you could set up an ad-hoc network as well, but you'd still have to do all the networking stuff. Turning on forwarding, iptables for the NAT, DHCP to hand out IP addresses.
[18:05] <frosted> Hi guys
[18:05] <frosted> Anyone know how to remove the read only flag from a usb flash drive , I can't even format it....
[18:08] <LeeJunFan> frosted: It could be that a fault was detected on the flash drive and the firmware put it into read only mode to keep it from losing more data. If that's the case then it's time for a new one.
[18:10] <SunTsu> frosted: what LeeJunFan said. Seen that too often. If it is a configurable read only flag then there is a switch to toggle it. If there is no switch you better get a new usb drive and backup your existing one
[18:12] <frosted> o.0 I thought it might be the case, I was trying to format it in gparted when it just went bonkers
[18:13] <BluesKaj> well if it's read only , how does he back it up ?
[18:13] <SunTsu> BluesKaj: er, it is _read_ only, not _write_ only
[18:13] <frosted> BluesKaj: ^^ I can still read it hahaha
[18:15] <BluesKaj> odd , why did I think read only meant just that , copy is differnt to me than read only
[18:15] <frosted> What is the lba flag for ?
[18:16] <zacarias> how do you resolve broken packages to perform a release upgrade?
[18:16] <BluesKaj> zacarias. di you update /upgrade/dist-upgrade before doing release-upgrade ?
[18:18] <BluesKaj> zacarias. and purge-ppa
[18:21] <zacarias> BluesKaj: Yes. I still get this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/6278417/
[18:27] <BluesKaj> zacarias. this should take care of your problem http://www.webupd8.org/2009/12/remove-ppa-repositories-via-command.html
[18:28] <BluesKaj> ok , stuff to do ...BBL
[18:34] <LeeJunFan> aboudreault: I just failed creating an encrypted volume during setup (trying to figure it out in a virtual machine to submit a bug report).
[18:34] <aboudreault> LeeJunFan, btrfs ?
[18:35] <LeeJunFan> No. ext4. Doesn't even get to the point where I'd set up a filesystem on the encrypted volume. As soon as I choose free space and choose it to be encrypted volume, I get a can't create key error.
[18:36] <aboudreault> ok :(
[18:37] <LeeJunFan> aboudreault: I'm going to try the server image in a minute to figure out if the error is with the debian installer or kubuntu. ubiquity or whatever.
[18:37] <aboudreault> ok
[18:40] <LeeJunFan> aboudreault: server install seems to work fine.
[18:40] <Torch> how can i tell pulseaduio to output sound not through the headphones but through th speakers?
[18:41] <aboudreault> LeeJunFan, ok. since the desktop is download, I think I'll give it a try tonight and if it fails, will simply encrypt things manually.
[18:41] <aboudreault> should I use luks  or ecrypt?
[18:43] <LeeJunFan> That's what I ended up doing. I booted to live desktop, use cfdisk to create the partitions, then just did the cryptsetup by hand. Dont forget your crypttab and fstab stuff.
[18:43] <dolomite> Torch what's your setup?
[18:43] <Torch> dolomite: kubuntu 12.04, lateste KDE. on board realtek sound.
[18:44] <dolomite> Torch are the headphones connected to the headphone jack?
[18:44] <LeeJunFan> aboudreault: ecrypt is easier to set up because it's only file encryption, but luks is the better performer. ecryptfs can choke hard on random access to large files such as virtual machien storage and torrents.
[18:44] <Torch> dolomite: sure.
[18:44] <aboudreault> LeeJunFan, thanks, will use luks.
[18:44] <dolomite> Torch if you run alsamixer from konsole
[18:44] <dolomite> there should be a slider for the headphones
[18:45] <Torch> dolomite: there is
[18:45] <dolomite> if you manipulate that does it achieve what you want?
[18:46] <Torch> dolomite: it sets the headphone volume, not surprisingly. what i want is make PA output sound to the speakers.
[18:46] <Torch> dolomite: there's indeed "heaphones" and "stereo output" in the pavucontrol utility, but whatever i do there has no effect
[18:47] <dolomite> Torch ok so your original question was misleading. I thought you want to mute headphones and use speakers only
[18:47] <Torch> dolomite: sorry about that
[18:47] <dolomite> so your speakers are not outputting sound?
[18:48] <Torch> dolomite: that's exactly the problem, yes. and my assumption is PA is confiugered to exclusively use the headphones and that is what i am trying to change.
[18:48] <Torch> dolomite: or even FIND where this config could be.
[18:48] <dolomite> Torch it may be that the card is set to use headphones exclusively when they're plugged in, which is not uncommon
[18:49] <dolomite> Torch in alsamixer are there other sliders for "master ..." or something?
[18:49] <Torch> dolomite: lots of em ;-)
[18:49] <Torch> dolomite: looks like i think it always has been looking
[18:49] <Torch> dolomite: unplugging the headphones has no audible effect
[18:49] <dolomite> just to test make sure they're not muted and turned all the way up. any change?
[18:50] <Torch> rear mic and front mic are muted as they should be, i think
[18:50] <dolomite> yes
[18:50] <Torch> dolomite: rest looks ok
[18:50] <dolomite> ok and there is no MM below any of the sliders
[18:51] <Torch> "line" was muted, just changed that (shouldn't be, i think). no change.
[18:51] <dolomite> hmm
[18:51] <dolomite> is this a 5.1 card or is there just one output for speakers?
[18:51] <Torch> dolomite: i have stereo speakers connected if that's the question
[18:52] <Torch> dolomite: it's a standard realtek 5.1 onboard sound thingie
[18:52] <dolomite> ok and if you go to the sound settings ("multimedia") in system settings
[18:53] <Torch> yep, got that?
[18:53] <dolomite> under phonon and the audio hardware tab
[18:53] <dolomite> what is the profile?
[18:53] <Torch> "analog stereo duplex"
[18:54] <dolomite> do any of the other options work? cumbersome I know...
[18:54] <Torch> no, been playing around with that already
[18:54] <dolomite> ok
[18:54] <dolomite> one more thing
[18:54] <dolomite> in alsamixer
[18:54] <dolomite> is there a "stereo upmix" option?
[18:55] <Torch> no
[18:55] <dolomite> is there any sort of toggle between front/surround/back etc?
[18:55] <Torch> i can't see any such thing, no
[18:56] <dolomite> sorry I've taken you through the troubleshooting I usually go through. Someone else should be able to help more
[18:56] <Torch> dolomite: thank you.
[18:57] <Torch> i wish there was some usable documentation on this whole mess. the kubuntu docs seem outdated and pertaining to gnome, the PA docs are plain terrible IMHO
[18:57] <dolomite> Torch one thing I see searching online is there might be an alt driver for it
[18:57] <dolomite> in the K menu you can search for "additional driver"
[18:57] <Torch> uhm, wouldn't that mean installing a new alsa module for the sound card?
[18:58] <Torch> it's been working with the sandard module for years just fine.
[18:58] <dolomite> ok so it just recently stopped working?
[18:58] <Torch> yes, been trying to get the headphones and mike to work for audioconferencing
[18:59] <Torch> no idea what i did in the end to make it working
[18:59] <Torch> s,working,work,
[18:59] <Torch> anyway, no speakers now for me :-((
[19:00] <Torch> i'll play around a little more and see if i accidentally fix what i broke.
[19:00] <Torch> thanks again.
[19:00] <dolomite> sorry I could not be of more help Torch. someone has most likely had the same issue and I see a lot of talk of it on google
[19:08] <mr-digital> can anyone help with a wifi issue?
[19:10] <arthurfiggis> mr-digital: possibly, depending on what the problem is :) but if i can't i'm sure someone else here can, sometimes you just have to wait a little while
[19:11] <mr-digital> ok. im using ath9k driver for atheros wifi, and the internet is running VERY Slow
[19:11] <mr-digital> and the connection speed the wifi is connecting at is 1mb/s instead of the N Speed
[19:12] <denl> hallo iedereen
[19:13] <LeeJunFan> mr-digital: sudo iwconfig wlan0 power off
[19:13] <LeeJunFan> mr-digital: see if that helps
[19:14] <mr-digital> ok holdon
[19:14] <Addle> Well, this is really odd. The IM Contact List widget won't bring up the list, launching system settings says: "KDEInit could not launch '/usr/bin/systemsettings'", though I can launch it on the command line, and apps everywhere refuse to load from the menu. Was working fine when I went to bed.
[19:14] <dolomite> mr-digital also this thread has lots of info: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1746326
[19:15] <LeeJunFan> mr-digital: actually, the big one is hardware encryption. You need to make a file /etc/modprobe.d/ath9k.conf and put this in it "options ath9k nohwcrypt=1" - no quotes. Then reboot
[19:15] <dolomite> exactly LeeJunFan :)
[19:15] <denl> Where can i change the setting ? This for automatic  hibernate whene i close me laptop
[19:16] <dolomite> denl system settings>power management
[19:17] <mr-digital> LeeJunFan i tried the the nohwcrypt=1
[19:17] <mr-digital> i get an error during bootup saying invaild option
[19:18] <mr-digital> perhaps its the ath9k driver?
[19:18] <nevsky> LeeJunFan?
[19:19] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: yeah, I'm here.
[19:20] <mr-digital> LeeJunFan any ideas why i get option invaild when i do that?
[19:20] <LeeJunFan> mr-digital: that shouldn't happen.
[19:20] <arthurfiggis> mr-digital: hmm...i use a completely different wireless chipset but i can't connect to the 802.11n network here either :( i'll have to look around a bit more and see if it's a problem with my chipset or with 802.11n support
[19:20] <mr-digital> ill type the exact error
[19:20] <LeeJunFan> mr-digital: sure you have the ath9k.conf file exactly as I typed?
[19:20] <nevsky> thanks God :)
[19:21] <LeeJunFan> mr-digital: the only thing that file should contain is: options ath9k nohwcrypt=1
[19:21] <nevsky> I try again what you wrote and tell you what doesn't work, okay LeeJunFan?
[19:21] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: did purge not work?
[19:21] <mr-digital> FATAL error inserting ath9k /lib/modules/3.2.0-19-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath9k/ath9k.ko unknown symbol in module or unknown parameter see demsg
[19:22] <mr-digital> if i remove the that line from ath9k.conf it works fine
[19:22] <mr-digital> but slow speed
[19:22] <mr-digital> oops
[19:22] <nevsky> it did not work I think I couldn't figure out the right ppa or so, LeeJunFan
[19:22] <mr-digital> holdon
[19:23] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: it's also possible that it won't work if you've already turned off the PPA you want to purge. Another option would be to manually remove any of those listed ppa packages with apt-get remove [packagename]
[19:24] <mr-digital> internet fixed
[19:24] <LeeJunFan> mr-digital: and the fix was?
[19:24] <mr-digital> i accidetly put a - instead of =
[19:24] <nevsky> LeeJunFan: okay, maybe that's it. I couldn't find that in moun-packet-managaer as well
[19:25] <mr-digital> why is that causing issue?
[19:25] <LeeJunFan> mr-digital: cool. So it's working fast now?
[19:25] <mr-digital> the hwcrypt
[19:25] <nevsky> do you think I should autoremove it?
[19:25] <mr-digital> yes
[19:25] <mr-digital> LeeJunFan, do you recommend any websites to help a windows to ubuntu convert?
[19:27] <LeeJunFan> mr-digital: the mailing lists, forums, and IRC are going to be your best bet. Nothing is going to be able to teach you what you need to know and omit what you don't. It'll just take time.
[19:27] <LeeJunFan> Tackle one thing at a time.
[19:27] <mr-digital> well i have used linux alot before in the past
[19:27] <mr-digital> just need program recommendations
[19:28] <LeeJunFan> nevsky:  I don't think autoremove will remove those unless whatever programs that depended on them have been removed already.
[19:29] <LeeJunFan> mr-digital: oh. I can't think of any off the top of my head. I usually google for things as needed like, "linux photo editing" or something along those lines when looking for apps.
[19:29] <nevsky> LeeJunFan: okay. Here, if you could have a short climpse at that: http://pastebin.kde.org/payzomwsz . Maybe there is something you recoginice?
[19:29] <arthurfiggis> weird...i'm not even seeing my wireless ap's 802.11n network even with the ssid being broadcast...i guess i have wireless problems i didn't know i had :P
[19:29] <mr-digital> most app i need is a photoshop alternative
[19:29] <Addle> I logged out and back in and now all the programs launch and the IM contacts come up. But I'd *really* love to know why it broke overnight like that. Oh well.
[19:30] <LeeJunFan> mr-digital: funny story. I just installed 13.10 the other day, my Internet is slow too. I hadn't yet done the configs for ath9k. Didn't even dawn on me until you asked about yours.
[19:30] <Addle> mr-digital: Gimp is pretty good
[19:30] <arthurfiggis> mr-digital: what sort of programs are you looking for? that much i can help with, i switched to linux for the free software :) in the case of photoshop...gimp or krita would be the best ones i could recommend
[19:31] <mr-digital> gimp is kinda hard to use imo
[19:31] <Addle> mr-digital: You're probably just really used to Photoshop. I'd say Photoshop is quite hard to use at first, as well.
[19:31] <Addle> mr-digital: Not that Gimp is perfect, or anything :)
[19:31] <mr-digital> addle yes i am
[19:32] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: that just tells me do-release failed not which packages.
[19:32] <mr-digital> LeeJunFan i actually didnt install 12.04 yet im using the LiveCD (figured it was easier to work out the drivers that was instead of installing first then pulling hair out
[19:33] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: maybe try grep Broken /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log
[19:34] <arthurfiggis> mr-digital: well 13.10 (the version i'm using) comes with a recent release of krita, and that's actually gotten quite good...i don't know if it would be easier or harder for you to use, depends on one's preference i guess, but with krita i found it fairly easy to start up and get going with
[19:35] <keithzg> So, the cover switch alt-tab effect is broken in 13.10, then? At very least it makes no difference if I enable or disable it . . .
[19:35] <Addle> mr-digital: There's also Inkscape, though that's for vector drawings, but good to mention.
[19:36] <LeeJunFan> Addle, mr-digital: Yeah. I find photoshop and illustrator harder to use because I've been using gimp and inkscape since pre 2k.
[19:36] <mr-digital> arthurfiggis: im on 12.04 because its the recommended version for my PC (im actually using ubuntu)
[19:36] <Addle> arthurfiggis: Hm, Krita does look pretty good, actually. Nice to have an alternative. Thanks for the pointer. :)
[19:37] <mr-digital> but kubuntu is same as ubuntu but it uses KDE instead
[19:37] <arthurfiggis> Addle: Oh, no problem...I haven't used either that or gimp much, i've been trying to more lately to restore old pictures that i've scanned and things like that...krita has gotten quite good, and as far as i know it's had proper, native cmyk support for some time now
[19:38] <arthurfiggis> mr-digital: ahh, well if krita doesn't come with your installation you can likely install it the same way you install other software :) or in a console, sudo apt-get install krita
[19:38] <mr-digital> yup
[19:38] <nevsky> LeeJunFan: that is what I get: http://pastebin.kde.org/pfcocaj8j
[19:38] <mr-digital> right now im running off live-cd to make sure everything works correctly
[19:38] <mr-digital> before making the plunge
[19:39] <arthurfiggis> mr-digital: that's always a good idea :)
[19:41] <mr-digital> oh anyone recommend a IRC client?
[19:41] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: ouch. That's a lot of packages. I think the biggest problem is your x server stuff. Looks like you had installed something from a ppa for that too.
[19:41] <arthurfiggis> mr-digital: hmm...well there's a few that come with kde, like quassel :) what i'm using is chatzilla, it's just an addon for firefox that adds in irc support
[19:42] <nevsky> LeeJunFan: yeah, looks like a lot of stuff
[19:42] <nevsky> maybe I install everything new?
[19:42] <Addle> mr-digital: I've quite enjoyed Quassel.
[19:43] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: the ppa-purge example is how to remove that stuff. lol
[19:43] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: sudo ppa-purge -p xorg-testing sarvatt
[19:44] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: but it's possible that if you've already disabled the ppa through muon, that you might have to re-enable it and update your sources before you can purge it.
[19:44] <nevsky> I get this: Warning:  Could not find package list for PPA: sarvatt xorg-testing
[19:44] <BluesKaj> mr-digital. konversation is also one of the best irc clients. Personally prefer it over quassel ,xchat and kvirc
[19:45] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: if you disabled it already you'll have to re-enable it, then update your soruces.
[19:45] <Addle> That's what (among other things) I love about Linux. Choices! :)
[19:45] <arthurfiggis> BluesKaj: Yes, konversation is probably the best KDE/QT-based one that i've tried, i always wondered why they defaulted to quassel instead :) but then again quassel has gotten much better
[19:47] <arthurfiggis> i do wish they had kept the ia32-libs meta package, that was quite helpful for getting my printer drivers to work :( fortunately the same printer has a place you can plug in a usb stick with a pdf on it, but it was nice using it over the wireless
[19:47] <BluesKaj> arthurfiggis. quassel isn't fugly as it once was , but I still don't care for the layout
[19:48] <keithzg> BluesKaj: Something beyond what the rearranging can fix?
[19:48] <arthurfiggis> BluesKaj: Yeah, I liked Konversation better because it was more of a traditional layout...chatzilla is very basic, but since i use firefox anyway and it does what i need, that's what i've been using lately :)
[19:48] <BluesKaj> keithzg. yes
[19:49] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: That might not work anyway. I see those appear to have been removed from the ppa launchpad site. Your only recourse may be to remove them manually with dpkg or apt; which could lead to a broken system. I know it can be fixed, but might be more trouble than it's worth.
[19:50] <nevsky> LeeJunFan: you are right, it doesn't work.
[19:50] <BluesKaj> LeeJunFan. nevsky  would this work ?  http://www.webupd8.org/2009/12/remove-ppa-repositories-via-command.html
[19:50] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: I'd recommend making your backups of anything important at this point. Beyond this there's a high probability of re-installation or a broken system.
[19:51] <nevsky> I did my backups already... by re-install you mean to make it new. everything get's lost?
[19:51] <LeeJunFan> BluesKaj, nevsky: afraid that won't work for him as ppa-purge can't remove the ppa it doesn't have the sources to, and the xorg-edgers he installed some time ago has been removed from the ppa site.
[19:52] <keithzg> Sounds like a job for aptitude ;)
[19:53] <BluesKaj> LeeJunFan. so it can't track the packages that are mucking up the install attempt and remove them ?
[19:53] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: yes. You can try to remove those packages manually and then run apt-get install kubuntu-desktop to re-install anything that's missing afterward.
[19:53] <nevsky> LeeJunFan: okay, and how do I proceed to remove them manually?
[19:54]  * keithzg has never had a packaging/dependency problem that some manual dpkg and aptitude couldn't fix
[19:54] <LeeJunFan> BluesKaj: right. We can see them in the log file for dist-upgrade, but it's all x.org. Trying to remove them is going to cause dependency hell for him. The easiest way I see out is dpkg -r --force
[19:54] <LeeJunFan> keithzg: Nah. There's always a way, but talking someone else through that can be an investment.
[19:54]  * BluesKaj nods, yeah makes sense , LeeJunFan
[19:55] <keithzg> LeeJunFan: Fair enough, it can definitely be a rabbit hole.
[19:55] <mr-digital> ok im going to backup what i need from my Windows partition and going to make the plunge! thanks for all your help!
[19:56] <nevsky> LeeJunFan, BluesKaj: what shall I do next?
[19:56] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: you can run "sudo dpkg -r --force-all [package name]" for every package listed in that pastebin you sent me. That will remove those packages without testing if it's going to break another package.
[19:57] <arthurfiggis> mr-digital: no problem, best of luck and if there are any problems this is one of the best places to stop by :)
[19:57] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: After you've done that, run "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" to have it re-install anything that's needed to have a working system again.
[19:57] <nevsky> roger
[19:58] <nevsky> I shall proceed now
[19:59] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: Anything after the word broken.... so "sudo dpkg -r --force-all libwayland-client0" should be your first one.
[19:59] <Addle> yossarianuk: Well, looks like your bug report on the broken UEFI was not ignored! They're off and running with it. Awesome.
[20:00] <nevsky> LeeJunFan: it say's dpkg: warning: ... ignored; it is not installed
[20:01] <nevsky> LeeJunFan: the second one seems to work
[20:07] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: don't close anything, because (since your removing X) you probably wont' be able to open any new windows.
[20:07] <nevsky> okay, so far, some work some not
[20:08] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: strange that any would be missing, but more worried about the ones we know are there.
[20:10] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: what if you try to remove libwayland0 ?
[20:10] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: rather than libwayland-client0, which you said failed?
[20:11] <nevsky> that did work
[20:11] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: :(
[20:12] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: I boo booed. Butit's not a breaker. I should have had you removing the named package to the right. I apologize. Language barrier.
[20:12] <nevsky> LeeJunFan: why? :(
[20:12] <nevsky> okay :)
[20:12] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: so where it says "Broken libwayland-client0:amd64 Kollidiert mit on libwayland0", libwayland0 is the package to remove.
[20:14] <LeeJunFan> It's saying libwayland-client0 is what it's trying to install, but it can't because the package on the right libwayland0 is conflicting with it, and libwayland-client0 isn't marked as a replacement for libwayland0.
[20:17] <nevsky> LeeJunFan: I think I'm through
[20:18] <nevsky> I now re-install kde-desktop
[20:18] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: You still have all your ppa sources disabled, right? Otherwise it may try to re-install some of them.
[20:19] <nevsky> LeeJunFan: no I en-abled them, because you said so earlier. Shall I disable them?
[20:19] <LeeJunFan> yeah. They should be disabled now, or it might try to install some of them when you install kubuntu-desktop
[20:20] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: you can cd to /etc/apt/sources.list.d and remove the files.
[20:20] <nevsky> LeeJunFan: and I don't have to disable then?
[20:20] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: then run "sudo apt-get update"
[20:20] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: if you delete the files, they are disabled.
[20:21] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: but you still need to do "sudo apt-get update" in order to update the list of available packages.
[20:23] <nevsky> LeeJunFan: okay I did the update now comes the kde-dekstop
[20:23] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: yes, now sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[20:23] <nevsky> LeeJunFan: it says I should use apt-get -f install
[20:24] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: that'll work too I guess. I'd do -f install, then install kubuntu-desktop after just to make sure.
[20:24] <nevsky> okay, it is running
[20:24] <LeeJunFan> -f install does some of what I wanted kubuntu-desktop to do anyway. apt-get -f install fixes packages that have broken dependencies.
[20:25] <nevsky> okay
[20:25] <nevsky> LeeJunFan: shall we check again on the broken ?
[20:26] <LeeJunFan> I'd run the kubuntu-desktop first. Just to make sure everything needed is installed.
[20:26] <nevsky> LeeJunFan: I did
[20:26] <LeeJunFan> oh, then it's time to try do-release-upgrade again.
[20:27] <nevsky> exciting
[20:27] <LeeJunFan> :) fingers crossed.
[20:31] <nevsky> LeeJunFan: you are my hero!!! it started to download and will take some time now
[20:31] <Strav> Hey! Can anyone tell me if installing qtcreator on ubuntu 13.10 involves a ton of unwanted packages (2.6gb in my case) such as dovecot, claws-mail, postfix and so on. It feels like the dependencies for qtcreator are really messed up.
[20:32] <nevsky> LeeJunFan: but I'm a bit worried about the broken issues...
[20:36] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: those should be fixed now.
[20:38] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: I'm bugging out to go home now. I'll be back on in 15 mins or so, after which time I'll be off/on periodically. Talk to you in a bit.
[20:43] <nevsky> LeeJunFan: okay, that here will take some time anyhow
[20:46] <Strav> Can anyone check out what dependencies selecting qtcreator for installation implies? (I'm really puzzled if there's something wrong with my system or if the deps are just wrong for this package)
[20:48] <tsimpson> Strav: http://packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/qtcreator lists the (direct) dependencies
[20:49] <tsimpson> Strav: it's probably the recommends chain, try with "sudo apt-get --no-install-recommends install qtcreator"
[20:50] <Strav> tsimpson: well I've tried to unmark the "treat recommended as deps" in synaptic but it seems it wasn't taken into account.
[20:50] <Strav> tsimpson: let me see if passing the argument directly to apt yields the same...
[20:51] <tsimpson> I don't know about synaptic, it may be an application setting rather than changing the apt setting
[20:51] <Strav> tsimpson: ... same problem.
[20:52] <Strav> tsimpson: is the some apt command to sanitize it's state?
[20:53] <tsimpson> there is "sudo apt-get check", but I doubt it'll help
[20:54] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: Okay. I'm home. Still working?
[20:55] <Strav> hell. the list of packages needed by qtcreator is just absurd: claws-mail, postfix, dovecot?!
[20:56] <tsimpson> those certainly aren't needed directly by creator
[20:58] <Strav> tsimpson: of course. Yet, this is part of the 2.5gb that apt-get --no-install-recommends gives me. Do you have something similar on your system (assuming you're on kubuntu 13.10)?
[20:59] <Addle> Strav: That's odd, because I have qtcreator installed, but not postfix.
[20:59] <tsimpson> Strav: I'm on 13.04 right now, but I've had creator installed since 12.04
[20:59] <Addle> Strav: And I am on 13.10.
[20:59] <tsimpson> I certainly don't remember it trying to pull in 2.5GB though
[21:01] <Strav> It's kinda strage too, if I ask synaptic to show me the deps for qtcreator, it mentions: conflicts: qtcreator.
[21:01] <Strav> Perhaps this is due to the fact that I have the kubuntu-backports repo enabled...
[21:01] <nevsky> LeeJunFan: short way home :). yes it says 40 mins left
[21:02] <nevsky> oh no 23
[21:02] <nevsky> actually
[21:07] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: okay. Well, I've got a wonderful winter snow storm warning tonight and snow for the next 4-5 days. So I've got to get out to the garage and drain and refill my cooling system on my truck or risk losing the new motor I just built for it. I'll check back in a few.
[21:09] <BluesKaj> LeeJunFan. northern mich eh ? , northern ontario here ...not calling for snow , just rain
[21:13] <robjloranger> has anyone else had an issue with firefox 24 suddenly taking a turn for ugly?
[21:15] <robjloranger> it looked great this morning, after a fresh install of kubuntu 13.10. after letting updates run and a restart it looks like 1992
[21:15] <Strav> hmm. it seems apt always tries to install suggested packages.
[21:15] <BluesKaj> robjloranger. have you rebooted since ?, I had that happen to me last week after an upgrade , it reverted to my original settings after a reboot
[21:15] <Strav> Had to manually change the flag in /etc/apt/apt.conf
[21:16] <robjloranger> that's the strange part BluesKaj , afaik it was original settings earlier?
[21:16] <robjloranger> are you saying another reboot may fix it?
[21:17] <BluesKaj> robjloranger. it did for me
[21:18] <robjloranger> ok, i'll try it and get back to you. thanks for the suggestion :)
[21:19] <Strav> thanks to you guys. cya
[21:20] <LeeJunFan> BluesKaj: yeah.
[21:21] <robjloranger> Thanks BluesKaj, that did the trick. Very strange that is happened at all, but good now.
[21:21] <robjloranger> Thanks for the help :)
[21:25] <BluesKaj> robjloranger. NP :)
[21:27] <robjloranger> I haven't used any nix in years and i gotta say it's looking good. And it got much easier to install, no more setting up drivers and researching scary things all over the internet
[21:27] <robjloranger> although cli still has a place in my heart lol
[21:28] <BluesKaj> welcome back then robjloranger , glad to have you aboard again :)
[21:28] <robjloranger> i think that's what i liked about it initially, it was adventurous
[21:28] <robjloranger> thanks :)
[21:31] <BluesKaj> I've enjoyed the linux adventure (mostly ) so far , since '04 or thereabouts, robjloranger
[21:33] <robjloranger> I remember the first time I installed it I had to download an installer onto floppy's and then use them to install in some old beast I had. That might have been '99
[21:33] <robjloranger> I believe I also carried my tower, on foot, to my friends to use his internet
[21:33] <BluesKaj> adventurous for sure :)
[21:34] <Addle> hehe I remember installing Slackware from a zillion floppies somewhere around '93 or '94. The rest is history. :)
[21:35] <robjloranger> I think the only thing I need windows, or an emulator, for is working on my gps map. The compiler I use is available for linux but it's an older version and I paid for the full version but only in win.
[21:36] <BluesKaj> I didn't buy a home pc  til  '99 , took me almost 5 yrs to get bored with windows , knoppix live cd was my first try
[21:37] <robjloranger> I think mine might have been Redhat, from some reference book in the library..
[21:39] <robjloranger> I wish there was a gpsmapedit version for linux, that would be perfect. After playing around in kde all day, I booted into windows for something and it's sooo slow
[21:41] <BluesKaj> robjloranger. garmin ?
[21:42] <robjloranger> ya it's for garmin
[21:42] <BluesKaj> !QLandkarteGT
[21:42] <BluesKaj> !info | QLandkarteGT
[21:42] <BluesKaj> odd ??
[21:43] <robjloranger> oh i have qlgt
[21:43] <Unit193> BluesKaj: Not really, syntax is wrong.
[21:43] <Unit193> !info qlandkartegt
[21:43] <robjloranger> but can it create and edit shapefiles?
[21:43] <BluesKaj> oops:)
[21:44] <Unit193> robjloranger: You have that, but do you have qlandkartegt-garmin ?
[21:44] <robjloranger> What I really need is a linux clone of global mapper
[21:44] <robjloranger> oh, i don't think so, what is that?
[21:45] <robjloranger> this is global mapper http://www.bluemarblegeo.com/products/global-mapper.php
[21:45] <robjloranger> I do also have quantumGIS which is mostly what I need.
[21:48] <robjloranger> I do most of my work with shape files, and then convert them to polish format and then into garmin img format. global mapper lets you work with shapes and export polish format. so it just streamlines things a bit
[21:48] <BluesKaj> robjloranger. A collection of plugins for QLandkarteGT to talk to various Garmin GPS devices, including GPSMap60CSx, GPSMap76, eTrexH, eTrexLegend, Forerunner 305 and similar GPSr.
[21:49] <BluesKaj> but i guess the globalmapper is not available for linux
[21:50] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: how goes it?
[21:50] <robjloranger> no, and it cost's a lot of money. even though it is called 'low-cost'
[21:52] <robjloranger> but qgis and a few other utilities like mkgmap make it possible to do the same thing
[21:52] <BluesKaj> robjloranger. I see , is this part of your work ?
[21:53] <robjloranger> no, strictly a hobby. I made the map for myself to use, taking elements of other maps and leaving stuff I didn't want. I eventually made it publicly available so others could use it too. It's for outdoor/hiking use and is of Vancouver Island only.
[21:54] <BluesKaj> <--- nosy old retired guy
[21:54] <robjloranger> Most of it is based on government data and the rest is my own mapping. Some trails were used from OSM as I couldn't really map the whole island.
[21:54] <BluesKaj> I figured you were a canuck when i saw shaw cable on your join  :)
[21:55] <robjloranger> :) yep
[21:56] <BluesKaj> <---40mi W of Sudbury
[21:59] <robjloranger> cool, my dad is from gta. hamilton and welland. I can't remember which of the two he was originally from.
[22:01] <Addle> <---- Ottawa, FYI
[22:02] <BluesKaj> ok , time to take a break for today....dinner then some tv
[22:03] <BluesKaj> later
[22:44] <semistud2354> hey does anyone know how i can restor my old desktop configuration
[22:44] <semistud2354> 13.10
[22:44] <semistud2354> kubuntu?
[22:45] <jalcine> semistud2354: you mean like a vanilla configuration or your previous setup?
[22:46] <semistud2354> previous setup
[22:46] <jalcine> If you don't have a backup of it, it'll be hard to help.
[22:46] <semistud2354> i do have a back up
[22:46] <semistud2354> kde crashed and it went to my old config
[22:46] <jalcine> how's the backup set up?
[22:46] <semistud2354> i dont know where the file is
[22:47] <jalcine> is this for a specific application?
[22:47] <semistud2354> nope when i log in
[22:47] <semistud2354> it goes to a clean desktop
[22:48] <semistud2354> i want my old desktop
[22:48] <semistud2354> like the widgets
[22:48] <semistud2354> and wallpaper
[22:48] <semistud2354> i know it exists somewhere in my comp...
[23:12] <Whiskey`Wonka> what happened to the old knetwork manager? ive now got 'connection editor' in its place (12.10->13.10)
[23:13] <Addle> Whiskey`Wonka: The old one was deprecated.
[23:13] <Whiskey`Wonka> I have nothing good to say about the choice
[23:13] <Addle> Whiskey`Wonka: hehe I actually like the new stuff. You'll probably get used to it. Hopefully. :)
[23:13] <Whiskey`Wonka> so now what does a person do for live scans and what not?
[23:14] <Whiskey`Wonka> well im going to need to have at least the same features of the old one
[23:14] <Whiskey`Wonka> all im seeing is 'active connections' and 'previous connections'
[23:14] <Whiskey`Wonka> that doesnt do jack for me
[23:14] <Addle> Whiskey`Wonka: Live scans, like seeing a list of WiFi access points? Should be just a left click on the widget in the system tray.
[23:15] <Whiskey`Wonka> nope
[23:15] <Whiskey`Wonka> ive got ^
[23:15] <Addle> Whiskey`Wonka: Hm, should also be an "Unknown Connections" section. Is your WiFi off or something?
[23:15] <Whiskey`Wonka> nope its up and running, i need ot connect to a ap im configuring and can not see it
[23:16] <Addle> Whiskey`Wonka: Strange... Perhaps 'sudo apt-get install plasma-nm --reinstall' would fix that.
[23:16] <Whiskey`Wonka> at the bottom ive got a green blob and a wrench that takes me to turn networking/wifi on/off and edit connections
[23:16] <Whiskey`Wonka> ill try that
[23:18] <Whiskey`Wonka> oh yay and google earth is still broken as hell
[23:19] <Whiskey`Wonka> am i going to need to reboot for that ot take effect or should it have shut down the applet and restarted it?
[23:19] <Whiskey`Wonka> should be a simple way to do that
[23:34] <nevsky> LeeJunFan: it worked
[23:34] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: great!
[23:35] <nevsky> It gave me some error messages whilst installing though, but it seems to work
[23:35] <nevsky> LeeJunFan: thank you sooo much
[23:35] <LeeJunFan> nevsky: You're welcome.
[23:36] <nevsky> I don't have a partition on my harddrive, so I would have lost everything installing it anew
[23:36] <nevsky> LeeJunFan: is there still anything I should check or do, maybe the broken ppa's or so?
[23:37] <LeeJunFan> maybe see if it says it needs to upgrade anything if you run apt-get -f install && apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:39] <nevsky> LeeJunFan: it wanted the autoremove and deleted two minor things
[23:39] <LeeJunFan> Then it's all set.
[23:40] <nevsky> yeah, it really seems so
[23:41] <nevsky> you made me happy today, LeeJunFan, hope you coping fine with the snow
[23:41] <nevsky> If I could help I would


[07:53] <dholbach> good morning
[08:01] <ESphynx> good morning ;)
[08:02] <ESphynx> dholbach: do I need to do anything to make sure this bug get fixed? :P https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ecere-sdk/+bug/1424418
[08:03] <dholbach> yep that should be fine
[08:04] <dholbach> ESphynx, although........
[08:04] <ESphynx> yeah?
[08:04] <dholbach> ESphynx, it's a different upstream tarball?
[08:04] <dholbach> with the same version number?
[08:05] <dholbach> ah yes
[08:05] <ESphynx> dholbach: I had mistakenly included work area files in the 'orig' build produced by debuild
[08:05] <dholbach> that'll be hard to be fixed
[08:05] <ESphynx> the source is the same
[08:05] <dholbach> dpkg-source: error: file /home/daniel/ecere-sdk_0.44.11.orig.tar.bz2 has size 43373761 instead of expected 43492795
[08:05] <ESphynx> the 'real' orig source did not change
[08:05] <dholbach> right
[08:05] <dholbach> but we now have 0.44.11-0ubuntu1 with the old tarball in the archive already
[08:05] <dholbach> so we can't upload a changed tarball
[08:05] <ESphynx> can't we nuke it
[08:05] <dholbach> no
[08:06] <ESphynx> it's kind of a privacy issue as well
[08:06] <ESphynx> as those work area files should never have been uploaded
[08:06] <ESphynx> (really need to fix our make distclean :S)
[08:11] <dholbach> so, you could try to release <IP_ADDRESS> or something - that'd be the the clean way of going about it
[08:12] <ESphynx> hmm couldn't we do a debian/ that takes out these extra files? I don't want to change the version number as it'  stall files from build loading projects that are in there , no change to the source...
[08:15] <dholbach> hum
[08:15] <dholbach> are these files installed onto the user's system at all?
[08:15] <ESphynx> no they are not... they're just stall files there
[08:15] <geser> ESphynx: that will only remove the files during the build but not the .orig.tar.gz
[08:15] <dholbach> so they're just in the source
[08:15] <dholbach> ?
[08:15] <ESphynx> eys
[08:15] <dholbach> right
[08:15] <dholbach> in that case, there's no other way: we need a new tarball
[08:16] <dholbach> I mean, it could be a fake "new tarball"
[08:16] <dholbach> like 0.44.11+1 or some suc
[08:16] <dholbach> such
[08:16] <ESphynx> well the new tarball is @ http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/e/ecere-sdk/ecere-sdk_0.44.11.orig.tar.bz2 :P
[08:16] <geser> ESphynx: 0.44.11+repack as "new" upstream version will do
[08:16] <ESphynx> geser: ok. should I do anything about it?
[08:17] <ESphynx> a new debuild with that new name?
[08:17] <geser> the archive won't accept a 2nd file with the same name but different contents (neither in Ubuntu nor Debian for that matter)
[08:18] <ESphynx> geser: well it never made it into Debian yet :P
[08:18] <geser> is it in Ubuntu?
[08:18] <ESphynx> yes it is
[08:19] <geser> if you want to fix this in Ubuntu now, you need to use 0.44.11+repack or something like that and can keep 0.44.11 for Debian
[08:19] <ESphynx> so I should redo a debuild and upload new .dsc / .orig and everything?
[08:19] <geser> but you can't sync from Debian to Ubuntu until the next real new upstream or you also upload 0.44.11+repack to mentors (and then Debian)
[08:20] <ESphynx> k
[08:20] <geser> for Ubuntu: yes, new .dsc, new .orig, new upstream version string


[00:34] <istaz> kenvandine: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-butterfly/+bug/410376 we made butterfly incompatible with python <2.5 can the package be updated to reflect that please?
[11:18] <pascal80> whois tkamppeter