[00:08] <Guest76405> hi, i have a problem with the instalation of debian, can somebody help me?
[00:10] <BluesKaj> Guest76405 join #debian
[00:10] <Guest76405> oh sorry wrong channel :-)
[00:11] <BluesKaj> np
[00:16] <romka> BADOS
[00:17] <romka> KU
[00:17] <romka> au
[00:17] <romka> v
[00:17] <romka> kubuntu the best
[00:19] <cjae> can I skin firefox to anything under the addons no right I have to find a linux compatible skin or no?
[00:20] <tsimpson> any skin should work
[00:20] <cjae> ok
[00:33] <cecko> hi all, microphone on my laptop is not working, any idea where i should look for solutions?
[00:34] <rmrfslash> Does compositing benefit from 3D acceleration?
[00:35] <cecko> i played with kmix channels and googled for help, but no luck (i have dell precision m4400)
[00:35] <Oceanwatcher_> Any specialists on configuring dual monitors here? Anyone know of a gui similar to DisplayConfigGTK - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DisplayConfigGTK - for KDE?
[00:36] <rmrfslash> Oceanwatcher_: was System Settings > Display of any use?
[00:41] <Oceanwatcher_> rmrfslash: No. I can set different resolutions, but when I hit Apply, the resolution change back to the same. There is no way to tell the card to show two monitors instead of one mirrored.
[00:41] <god__> can someone tell me how to fix my screen resolution?
[00:41] <Oceanwatcher_> god_: Settings>Display
[00:41] <rmrfslash> Oceanwatcher_: nvidia or ATI?
[00:42] <Oceanwatcher_> ATI Radeon 9550, opensource drivers
[00:42] <rmrfslash> me too.
[00:42] <rmrfslash> well Radeon mobility hd 3670
[00:42] <god__> no man, it only lets me go 800x600 or something like that but i know my card will push 1280x700
[00:42] <god__> nvidia
[00:42] <god__> sorry thought that was to me
[00:43] <rmrfslash> god__: I assume proprietary drivers? If yes, then try using the installed NVIDIA config tool
[00:43] <god__> whats the command?
[00:43] <god__> i might have tried that already
[00:44] <rmrfslash> god__: I forget. There should be an icon somewhere in Kicker > System maybe?
[00:44] <rmrfslash> god__: Kickoff.... whatever
[00:44] <rmrfslash> god__: try nvidia tab tab
[00:44] <god__> if its the thing that let has something to do with enbling the device, every time i do that my system wont boot
[00:45] <god__> it gets stcuk at a black screen
[00:45] <god__> poo on proprietary
[00:45] <god__> what do you mean nvidia tab tab
[00:46] <rmrfslash> Oceanwatcher_: you could try editing xorg.conf manually :-/
[00:46] <rmrfslash> Oceanwatcher_: that's the best I can come up w/
[00:46] <Oceanwatcher_> lol - Yeah. Have spent this whole day doing it.
[00:47] <rmrfslash> Oceanwatcher_: fun stuff huh?
[00:47] <Oceanwatcher_> Got a tip about a legacy driver from ATI that might work. Going to download and test.
[00:47] <god__> so what about this nvidia tabbing?
[00:47] <Oceanwatcher_> Not fun to edit xorg.conf manually.
[00:48] <rmrfslash> god__: go to the command line and type in nvidia then hit tab
[00:48] <rmrfslash> god__: should reveal something like nvidia-settings
[00:48] <rmrfslash> god__: that might be the program (run it w/ sudo)
[00:48] <god__> either nothing happens or terminal wants to tell me all of its commands
[00:48] <god__> if i tab twice
[00:49] <rmrfslash> god__: try just typing sudo nvidia-settings
[00:49] <god__> command not found
[00:49] <rmrfslash> r u using the proprietary driver?
[00:50] <rmrfslash> or the reverse engineered open source one (blech!)
[00:50] <god__> no thats bad juju, when i do that it tells me to reboot, then i get stuck at a black screen and have to reinstall os
[00:50] <god__> ive reinstalled 4 times and would rather avoid doing it again
[00:50] <rmrfslash> I see
[00:51] <god__> im not sure what it is, i know it has something to do with the nvidia card though
[00:51] <rmrfslash> well.... like Oceanwater, you can try editing xorg.conf manually :-/
[00:51] <god__> I know that X11 supports it but im not sure it will run in ubuntu se
[00:51] <god__> I cant, when i go into conf file theres nothing in it about resolution
[00:51] <god__> I can post the file if you wish
[00:51] <rmrfslash> You add stuff to it
[00:52] <god__> ahh
[00:52] <rmrfslash> make sure you back up the original one though
[00:52] <god__> how do i run the back up if i screw the other one
[00:52] <god__> better yet, can reinstitute the old from root terminal in safe mode if i mess it up?
[00:52] <rmrfslash> You just copy the exisitng xorg.conf to your home directory or copy it to say /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak
[00:53] <rmrfslash> then go crazy w/ the one that's there
[00:53] <god__> just in case?
[00:53] <god__> i found some blogs about this, but i didnt know what i was doing so i came to ask first
[00:53] <god__> actrually i could have posted it for ocean but hes =gone
[00:53] <rmrfslash> if you reboot and your display doesn't come up properly (cuz you screwed up xorg.conf), you should be dropped to a command prompt
[00:54] <god__> check this out and tell me if this is what you mean
[00:54] <god__> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=975058
[00:54] <rmrfslash> See the Screen section
[00:54] <god__> yeah
[00:55] <god__> im guessing the red text is what i add or edit right?
[00:55] <rmrfslash> Try adding this (hang on)
[00:57] <rmrfslash> you there?
[00:58] <god__> yeah
[00:58] <rmrfslash> http://pastebin.com/m301d09a3
[00:58] <god__> i was waiting on you, thought you had a lot to type
[00:58] <rmrfslash> sorry my inet got all hung up
[00:58] <god__> its kool, what part of that should i add?
[00:58] <rmrfslash> note where I put #BEGIN and #END
[00:59] <god__> oh, yeah i see that now
[00:59] <rmrfslash> You showed me an ubuntuforum
[00:59] <god__> I have no defualt depth, should i add that as well?
[00:59] <god__> yeah, i just wanted to know if we were on the same page
[01:01] <god__> when im done with this, will i just write out?
[01:06] <rmrfslash_> Man, Cox is killing me.
[01:08] <god__> hey thanks for that fix rmrf, that worked perfectly
[01:09] <rmrfslash_> cool
[01:09] <rmrfslash_> now you're at a blazing 1024x768
[01:09] <rmrfslash_> :)
[01:09] <god__> you forgot to mention to mention that I needed to restart. I forgot to remember that that would need doing
[01:09] <god__> nope, im 1280...
[01:09] <rmrfslash_> oh, yeah.... you need to restart ;)
[01:10] <god__> well thanks again. im off to confuse myself some more
[01:10] <god__> i loathe being newb
[01:10] <rmrfslash_> it happens
[01:10] <rmrfslash_> cya
[01:12] <rmrfslash_> editing xorg.conf is one of the most tedious things to do... and the most unforgiving if you make a mistake or typo. The next best is making a typo in /etc/sudoers
[01:14] <theverant> anyone know why file sharing doesn't work in folder properties in Dolphin/Konq?
[01:24] <theverant> meh
[01:37] <Wazmyn> how can I get kuickshow to turn tall photos up automatically?
[01:56] <cjae> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UX7Z4tTx67s
[01:56] <cjae> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/21/proposed-heavy-restrictions-internet-freedoms/
[01:57] <roccity_> is Kubuntu in freeze now or is there gonna be a suprise in the next day or two?
[01:59] <dwidmann> hmm, wonder how long till freepress/savetheinternet/others react to that one
[02:01] <Oceanwatcher_> rmrfslash_: Tried the driver from ATI. After downloading 80 MB I realised it is for Xfree86... Not very fun, this...
[02:01] <Anyoseyo> what is defrag software for kubuntu
[02:03] <Anyoseyo> and last question: should the release client update to the final release automatically?
[02:03] <cjae> dwidmann:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_T-DOishkk
[02:03] <Anyoseyo> oh and another one :P do you guys prefer kde or gnome
[02:04] <dwidmann> *coughcough* Like you're not going to get a biased answer in this channel
[02:04] <Anyoseyo> figured it being 'kubuntu' which is kde
[02:05] <tsimpson> Anyoseyo: there is no defrag, ext3 does not suck like FAT or NTFS
[02:05] <geek_> Anyoseyo: actually the smart question would between kde3 and kde4
[02:05] <Anyoseyo> major :)
[02:05] <Anyoseyo> i'm defragging this windows hd on a old comp
[02:06] <Anyoseyo> my mom used it : 65% fragged
[02:06] <Anyoseyo> and geek_ what is the answer
[02:06] <geek_> Anyoseyo: its OT, but i'd give JKdefrag a shot
[02:06] <geek_> Anyoseyo: i miss certain aspects of kde3 - the fact that it was mature and better integrated
[02:06] <Anyoseyo> already using smart defrag :P
[02:06] <geek_> ask me in a year though, and i'll tell you KDE4, no questions asked
[02:07] <Anyoseyo> why is jkdefrag better :P
[02:07] <geek_> Anyoseyo: its lightweight, portable, and gives you a load of control
[02:07] <geek_> and..
[02:07] <geek_> its open source ;p
[02:08] <Anyoseyo> i'll use it when i defrag my external
[02:08]  * geek_ uses windows XP and kubuntu on the desktop. mostly kubuntu ;) other than gaming
[02:09] <Anyoseyo> you'll be like me :P
[02:10] <geek_> Anyoseyo: ideally though i wish i had another box here so i can run both at once ;p
[02:10] <Anyoseyo> suppose
[02:10] <Wazmyn> Is there a way to get kuickshow to flip tall photos up automatically?
[02:10]  * tsimpson shouts out "Virtualization"
[02:11] <Wazmyn> geek i've got XP on here, but it's been months since I used it
[02:11] <steevz> When I launch Maya I get the error "Segmentation Fault" and it fails to load. Any ideas? It was running yesterday.
[02:11] <geek_> tsimpson: i do that.  But under kde ssh-askpass only pops up when there is no terminal (as the ssh-add docs say). How do I make KDE more like gnome
[02:19] <nassrat> in that aspecgt
[02:21] <steevz> When I launch Maya I get the error "Segmentation Fault" and it fails to load. Any ideas? It was running yesterday.
[02:22] <genii> *nix Maya version?
[02:23] <steevz> Maya 2008 Unlimited x64
[02:24] <steevz> steevz@linux:~$ maya
[02:24] <steevz> Segmentation fault
[02:24] <steevz> I find it strange that it was working yesterday and I haven't touched anything.
[02:25] <Teh_Real_DM> yay
[02:25] <genii> "segmentation fault" usually indicates bad ram
[02:26] <nassrat> genii: is that in general? or do you mean in maya?
[02:27] <genii> nassrat: In general
[02:27] <nassrat> it could be bad code
[02:28] <genii> steevz: I'd recommend to run memtest86 or similar on your ram and see if some may be going bad
[02:28] <nassrat> anybody here know anythin about SSH_ASKPASS?
[02:30] <steevz> Could it be because I have 7gb of ram?
[02:30] <steevz> instead of like 8?
[02:31] <nassrat> steevz: i think you should always use the same types of ram
[02:31] <nassrat> atleast in pairs
[02:31] <steevz> They're all DDR2 OCZ 6400 3 are 2gb 1 is 1gb
[02:32] <Annyoseyo> eh
[02:32] <Annyoseyo> the 1gb could be giving you a problem
[02:32] <steevz> Maybe.. Well, I'll try popping it out.
[02:32] <steevz> Maya was starting yesterday with the 7gb.. =\
[02:32] <steevz> oh well, I'll try and let you guys know.
[02:32] <steevz> Thanks.
[02:43] <nassrat> anybody here know anythin about SSH_ASKPASS?
[02:44] <steevz> Hm.. Maya still Segmentation Fault without the 1gb stick of ram.
[02:46] <nassrat> steevz: try running memtest from a live cd for atleast 1 pass and see if there are any errors
[02:46] <nassrat> if there ar
[02:47] <nassrat> then put each stick in by itself, and see which one is busted
[02:47] <god__> having trouble with nvidia drivers. every time i try to enable the proprietary ones, my startup screen goes black after reboot...
[02:47] <nassrat> it could be combinations of them that dont work
[02:47] <nassrat> as well
[02:48] <nassrat> steevz: to tell you the truth, i dont think its your ram, i think its your settings
[02:48] <nassrat> there is something that caused a bug in maya and is segfaulting
[02:48] <nassrat> probably has nothing to do with kubuntu, so dont know why you here though
[03:00] <bjrn> how'x the support for ati x700 in 9.04?
[03:02] <dwidmann> bjrn: one really good way to find out that one ... to try it and see if it works for you, because
[03:02] <dwidmann> !worksforme
[03:04] <bjrn> ahhh, like trying to drink gasoline ... cute. get the point
[03:07] <god__> can someone tell me where i can drivers for an nvidia gfx card?
[04:33] <dwidmann> !nvidia | god__
[04:46] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Is there a way to fix the GUI controls curruptoin in Firefox?
[05:02] <Deathmath> woo
[05:03] <Deathmath> exciting
[05:03] <Deathmath> kubuntu is installing :)
[05:03] <Anyoseyo> >..
[05:16] <Anyoseyo> installing a driver >.>
[05:21] <maximo> !kde
[05:23] <Nasra> hi, just installed KDE Desktop....do I have do any twicking at all?
[05:25] <Nasra> !KDE4
[05:31] <johnsheng__> where am i?
[05:31] <|dthacker|> you are here
[05:32] <jpsnl1> you're in cyberspace, planet linux... the ubuntu region
[05:32] <johnsheng__> do you speak chinese?
[05:33] <johnsheng__> 这里说中文的吗？
[05:34] <JP-sNL> only heavily under the influence of opium... but i never get the stuff i order at the .cn take-away though
[05:35] <|dthacker|> !ch
[05:35] <|dthacker|> neither do I, ubottu, neither do I
[05:36] <dwidmann> !chinese
[05:36] <faileas> !cn
[05:36] <johnsheng__> oh,thank you
[05:37] <dwidmann> |dthacker|: seems ubottu knew more about it than you thought ;)
[05:38]  * |dthacker| bows to dwidmann
[05:38] <dwidmann> !brain |dthacker|
[05:45] <yaa_> guten Morgen
[05:46] <yaa_> !politeness
[05:51] <Anyoseyo> dang
[05:51] <Anyoseyo> didn't work
[05:51] <Anyoseyo> anyone have advice with bios?
[05:51] <Anyoseyo> cause i installed the newest release candidate with unetbootin to my external hd
[05:52] <Anyoseyo> and then i thought i changed the bios, but it just booted w/ windows
[05:54] <Anyoseyo> 266 useful people :D
[05:58] <SandGorgon> what do you guys do to make firefox look good on Kubuntu 9.04 ?
[06:22] <god__> I just installed kubuntu on my HP G60 123CL. Everything seems to be going well, there are a few devices i havent checked into yet. For some reason however, KDE or what ever the GUI is called seems to be a bit slow and jerky. Anyone have any ideas?
[06:25] <faileas> god__: which version of kubuntu?
[06:25] <god__> 8.10 intreped ibex i think
[06:26] <god__> I dl/ed the iso about 2hours ago from official providers, when I do checks in terminal it says 8.10
[06:28] <faileas> hmm
[06:28] <faileas> Well, it might be KDE 4 being a pain
[06:28] <faileas> try updating first to see if whatever causes it is patched
[06:29] <god__> yeah ive done that, from what ive gathered its just the kde. My gfx has the correct drivers. That was a beast. Is it possible to turn off some of the desktop effects?
[06:29] <dwidmann> yes.
[06:29] <god__> how would i go about that?
[06:30] <dwidmann> system settings->desktop->desktop effects
[06:30] <god__> thx Ill give that a try and get back to you all
[06:31] <yaa_> !drinking beer which made me beer alcoholic
[06:31] <god__> wich would be better for this issue a bilinier filter or tri?
[06:32] <dwidmann> god__: experiment and see
[06:32] <god__> Im very aqfraid to experiment with this. Its my firt boot of a linux machine ever
[06:32] <god__> Im rather nervous right now
[06:33] <dwidmann> you should be able to change it without it messing anything up, it'll do the familiar "click okay within 30 seconds if this setting seems ok" deal too, I think.
[06:33] <god__> wow the trilinear seems to work well. I didnt have to turn off efects
[06:34] <god__> thanks again. I know this one was an easy fix
[06:34] <god__> but I appreciate anyhow
[06:34] <dwidmann> god__: easy fixes are great though
[06:35] <god__> one more question. Why are the religous distros of ubuntu no longer supported?
[06:35] <god__> LOL As long as no one supports the wal-mart distro i think i can agree with the religous deal
[06:36] <god__> well thanks again guys/gals. You all have a goog evening
[06:36] <dwidmann> wal-mart distro o.O
[06:36] <dwidmann> If that exists that's just FUNNY.
[06:37] <dwidmann> (seeing as Wal-Mart corporate wide is pretty Microsoft-centric)
[06:42] <god__> ok back again with another KDE Q. Can I downgrade from KDE 4 to KDE 3?
[06:43] <dwidmann> god__: which version of Ubuntu? Kubuntu 9.04 will have a semi-official KDE3 remix
[06:44] <dwidmann> god__: I don't know if that will conflict at all with the KDE4 packages, but it might.
[06:44] <god__> got 8.10
[06:44] <dwidmann> god__: you're less unlucky than you think, 9.04 should be available before the end of the month
[06:45] <dwidmann> and if it isn't, they'll have to call it 9.05 :P
[06:46] <dwidmann> 04 = April
[06:46] <god__> I get it, thats kool
[06:46] <god__> what do you know back track 4? if anything?
[06:47] <dwidmann> hm?
[06:48] <dwidmann> As per downgrading while on 8.10 .. I don't think there are even offial-ish packages of KDE3 for 8.10, if there are any at all.
[06:48] <god__> just wanted to see if anyone else knew anything. Im not too sure of the rules for this room so i wont post a link here, but you can google it
[06:48] <dwidmann> And downgrading can be kind of risky ...
[06:48] <god__> I just deal with the lag. Its better than dealing with vista
[06:49] <dwidmann> Messes things up sometimes
[06:49] <dwidmann> what lag?
[06:49] <god__> umm in the graphics there this weird lag
[06:49] <god__> like when i change between windows
[06:49] <dwidmann> god__: no doubt introduced by desktopeffects
[06:50] <god__> its only the graphics though, no aps or other devices seem to be affected. at least horribly
[06:50] <dwidmann> god__: desktop effects doesn't get along well with all cards ... probably for various reasons
[06:51] <dwidmann> Word has it (for example) NVidia's 2D is crap (though it's 3D is good)
[06:51] <god__> lol its funny you should mention Nvidia
[06:52] <god__> Im on the hp g60 and its got mostly amd and nvidia stuff
[06:52] <dwidmann> god__: only thing that matters here is the VGA
[06:52] <dwidmann> god__: (funny because ATI is AMD, if you know what I mean)
[06:53] <god__> I know you're right about ATIvsAMD but I just now put that together
[06:54] <god__> I have a fealing that im going to have trouble with my dvd burner's drivers. You wouldn't happen to know where I could them?
[06:54] <god__> find*
[06:54] <dwidmann> DVD burning should be fine ...
[06:55] <god__> how bout my wireless?
[06:55] <god__> ndiswrapper for that?
[06:55] <dwidmann> Wireless is hit & miss
[06:55] <god__> thats what Ive read so far
[06:55] <dwidmann> !wireless | god__
[06:59] <god__> test
[06:59] <god__> respond to this if you see it, im testing my wifi
[06:59] <dwidmann> yo
[06:59] <god__> respond to this if you see it, im testing my network
[06:59] <god__> yo for the wifi or yo for the network?
[06:59] <dwidmann> Sure
[07:00] <god__> dude no thats confusing, did you two requests for response or only one?
[07:00] <dwidmann> It was intent on being confusing, and apparently I've responded :P
[07:00] <god__> lol
[07:00] <god__> roflcopters to that
[07:00] <god__> I just dont know where to land
[07:02] <SandGorgon> how do I get flash with firefox? I have install ed flashplugin-nonfree and it works OK with konqueror
[07:03] <god__> how did you get firefox? through adept downloader thing?
[07:03] <SandGorgon> I untarred a release..
[07:03] <god__> where did you find it? at mozilla?
[07:04] <god__> sry to ask so many Qs, this is my time in kubuntu, well in linux for that matter
[07:04] <god__> first time*
[07:05] <dwidmann> god__: http://images.despair.com/products/demotivators/delusions.jpg
[07:05] <dwidmann> (just kidding, for the record)
[07:05] <god__> I like jokes
[07:05] <SandGorgon> god__, yup.. 3.0.9 off the firefox site
[07:06] <god__> how r u guys directing text to me in red?
[07:06] <dwidmann> god__: we prefix everything we say with your nick.
[07:06] <dwidmann> see also:
[07:06] <dwidmann> !tab
[07:06] <god__> dwidmann: test
[07:06] <god__> nifty
[07:07] <god__> man linux is soo much fun, and im such a nerd
[07:07] <god__> dude I love demotivator, thats gr8
[07:10] <dwidmann> hehehe
[07:27] <god__> I just got firefox and flashplayer installers in tar format. How do I install them?
[07:37] <petsounds> god__ : i think it would be easier if u installing software via terminal
[07:58] <god__> ive tried installing flash plugin for firefox in kubuntu 8.10. It doesnt seem to work. Any suggestions?
[08:08] <JP-sNL> !flash
[08:10] <pteague> if it's 64bit you're having an issue with, might try installing the 64bit version of flash
[08:23] <mania> ...
[08:32] <SandGorgon> god__: run "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree; mkdir -p ~/.mozilla/plugins; cp `which libflashplayer.so`  ~/.mozilla/plugins" and restart firefox
[08:45] <hitang> hi!
[08:46] <hitang> how can l edit /etc/apt/sources.list ??? help
[08:47] <hitang> i have Bug 175540: Adept crashes with SIGABRT with invalid sources.list.  Adept crashes with SIGABRT with invalid sources...
[08:50] <hitang> hello...
[09:01] <kdomn> Hi, im having problems getting my parallel port working, is there somebody that could help me or direct me somewhere helpfull?
[09:46] <moskalenko> Hi! Does anybody scan to pdf with xsane?
[09:47] <moskalenko> the thing is that the size of pdf-files, which i get from xsane are too large!
[10:02] <chalcedony> what's the best way to get kubuntu?
[10:02] <chalcedony> is it a torrent? if so name of torrent server?
[10:03] <chalcedony> torrent downloader
[10:06] <dwidmann> chalcedony: that works, another way is download the iso via http or ftp ... go to http://www.kubuntu.org and click on download ... it should show you all the ways of getting Kubuntu
[10:08] <ActionParsnip> !torrents
[10:08] <ActionParsnip> !torrent
[10:08] <ActionParsnip> chalcedony: i'd recommend torrents, it allows you to upload to new users, has good error checking and is pausable
[10:46] <altrortla> using Gparted I can see "only" 2 Partition ... the first about 74 Gb and another unallocated about 7 Mb ... i suppose there're no ghost partition..
[10:46] <altrortla> it's correct to say that
[10:46] <altrortla> ??
[10:47] <moskalenko> altrortla: don't think so
[10:48] <altrortla> ghost partition for preinstalled S.O. may be in 7Mb?
[10:48] <moskalenko> it's an allocated space
[10:50] <altrortla> The problem is that i want to see if there's ghost partition on my hard Disk...
[10:50] <tsimpson> altrortla: when windows installs it keeps 7MB free
[10:50] <altrortla> and 'im trying to use Gparted to see it
[10:50] <tsimpson> it probably uses it as a kind of swap space during install
[10:51] <altrortla> Gparted CAN see ghost partition?
[10:51] <tsimpson> gparted can see it if it's a partition
[10:53] <altrortla> so it's strange that I have a recover CD without Ghost partition..
[10:58] <crash2k> anyone home?
[10:59] <crash2k> guess not ¬¬
[10:59] <ActionParsnip> none
[10:59] <ActionParsnip> :)
[11:00] <crash2k> lol?
[11:00] <ActionParsnip> sup?
[11:00] <crash2k> im not hungry
[11:01] <crash2k> 305 users and silence ?
[11:01] <crash2k> dum di dum....
[11:15] <yaa_> !how to drink beer
[11:15] <ActionParsnip> !beer
[11:16] <yaa_> donno how to ;)
[11:20] <yaa_> NO GLOOMY FACES!
[11:20] <yaa_> SMILE!
[11:22] <ActionParsnip> :D:D:D:D:D:D
[11:25] <yaa_> do it again :)
[11:26] <yaa_> say pshhh and smile
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> huh?
[11:35] <asraniel> does kontact autostart for somebody here? here and on another laptop it tells me that it's already started and i have to start it manualy
[11:38] <ActionParsnip> asraniel: ln -s `which kontact` ~/.kde/Autostart/startkontact
[11:39] <asraniel> ActionParsnip: that would add it to the autostart folder, no? i actually have that problem on session restore
[11:40] <millun> hi
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> asraniel: yeah, the autostart folder is to help autostart stuff
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> !startup
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> !bum
[11:41] <millun> on my first boot kubuntu tried to figure out my language settings and restricted drivers...
[11:41] <asraniel> ActionParsnip: yes sure, but i have the option that restores my last session. now in my last session i always have kontact open. but when restoring the session kontact tells me that it already runs, and i have to exit it and start it manualy (works for all other apps)
[11:41] <millun> how do i bring those back?
[11:42] <asraniel> millun: i think you can still install the language over the language thing in system settings. there is a button for the system language or so
[11:43] <ActionParsnip> asraniel: hmm
[11:43] <asraniel> ActionParsnip: appart from that kubuntu works great, but this is really anoying, and i never had it before (and i can reproduce it on my and my girlfriends computer)
[11:43] <millun> ok
[11:44] <millun> and those restricted drivers?
[11:44] <ActionParsnip> asraniel: you could have the app close as part of your logoff script
[11:44] <asraniel> millun: in the menu you have System/Hardware driver
[11:44] <ActionParsnip> asraniel: i'd log a bug that the app wont persist in the saved profile thingy
[11:45] <asraniel> millun: the real name is something with jockey-kde
[11:46] <millun> i've tried clicking "Activate" but nothing would happen
[11:46] <asraniel> ActionParsnip: i summited a bug, with one other person confirming. but no dev or so, so i'm gettin nervous that this will never be fixed. i mean, i can't be the only one that always has a kontact running
[11:47] <asraniel> millun: for that i can't help you, always worked for me
[11:47] <millun> what did u mean by "jockey-kde" ?
[11:47] <ActionParsnip> asraniel: i dont personally, you could have a logoff script to kill the process
[11:48] <ActionParsnip> asraniel: then when you logon the usual kde autorun thing will kick in
[11:48] <asraniel> ActionParsnip: sounds a little too complicated to be used by the average user (like my girlfriend). probably have to bug a dev over this
[11:49] <ActionParsnip> asraniel: true but if you felt confident, you could implement the workaround for now
[11:50] <asraniel> ActionParsnip: sure, but for me it's not that bad that i have to click on exit kontact and reopen it everytime. but for my gf it's less cool (and i wont see her for at least a month)
[11:51] <ActionParsnip> asraniel: is her lappy running jaunty?
[11:52] <asraniel> ActionParsnip: yes, works great apart from that
[11:52] <asraniel> ActionParsnip: because she has a brand new lappy i wanted something newer than 8.04. 8.10 had a really bad KDE, but 9.04 is great again. so i didn't have a choice
[11:53] <ActionParsnip> asraniel: different DE?
[11:54] <asraniel> ActionParsnip: yes, 4.1. i help out in kde developement so i know what each version can and can't, and i know that 4.1 would not have been ready for my gf, but 4.2 absolutely is
[11:55] <ActionParsnip> could use LXDE but use the KDE apps
[11:56] <ActionParsnip> or XFCE
[11:56] <ActionParsnip> or all the other DEs available
[11:57] <asraniel> ActionParsnip: i'm too much of a kde and plasma fan for that, and as i said, apart from the kontact startup bug it works very good and fast
[11:58] <ActionParsnip> your call
[11:58] <ActionParsnip> but you do have a choice
[11:59] <ActionParsnip> asraniel: maye its the user
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> asraniel: try creating a fresh user and setting it up with the app
[12:00] <kaddi> (this is on intrepid with kde 4.2, all updates installed) my xorg rocketed up to 60% over the last couple of days, any ideas how i can troubleshoot to find, what eats up all my cpu?
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> asraniel: see if its the same
[12:01] <asraniel> ActionParsnip: yes, i'll do that. because i installed kubuntu a little over a month ago, and there where quite a few updates since then. thx for reminding me of that
[12:05] <Guest95137> hi i got a bit of a dazzle//////////
[12:06] <xisle_tx4> ive installed ubuntu on my pc 10gb hdd and then i got another 80gb hdd given to me is there anyway i can mount that drive with the other 10gb and use that for sav etc...
[12:09] <ActionParsnip> xisle_tx4: sure
[12:10] <ActionParsnip> xisle_tx4: i'd recommend using the larger drive as /ome for user data
[12:10] <ActionParsnip> xisle_tx4: you can probably fit your whole OS on the 10Gb
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> xisle_tx4: if you use your swap partition, put it on the new drive too and you will see a speed increase
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> oh well
[12:13] <ActionParsnip> xisle_tx4: if you use your swap partition, put it on the new drive too and you will see a speed increase
[12:14] <xisle_tx4> and how would i go about using that im totally new to the ubuntu scene!
[12:21] <cumulus007> Hi, there's a big problem with plugins in 64-bit Firefox
[12:22] <cumulus007> For some reason, the Qt curve theme has some trouble with those plugins
[12:22] <cumulus007> when the page loads a plugin, let's say Flash, the console output noticies the following error:
[12:22] <cumulus007> (npviewer.bin:8051): Gtk-WARNING **: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libqtcurve.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
[12:23] <ActionParsnip> cumulus007: you need to use the 64bit flash plugin
[12:23] <cumulus007> ie, there are some problems with the software architecture
[12:23] <cumulus007> ActionParsnip: I got that
[12:23] <ActionParsnip> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Flabs.adobe.com%2Fdownloads%2Fflashplayer10.html&ei=QP7uSfrUEJTXlAe3o6wo&usg=AFQjCNEtqD6Bii0eeYwaJvLaf3C2O0LOgg
[12:24] <ActionParsnip> cumulus007: and copy the .so to ~/.mozilla/plugins    you will need to make the folder
[12:24] <cumulus007> ActionParsnip: sometimes the plugin loads succesfully, but it might end as a grey sqaure
[12:24] <cumulus007> ActionParsnip: I already did that
[12:24] <ActionParsnip> cumulus007: you have plugins in the wrong arch
[12:25] <cumulus007> I'm running Kubuntu 64 bit, and I installed Adobe Flash 64 bit
[12:25] <cumulus007> and the 64 bit Java plugin from Sun
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> cumulus007: cumulus007: i recommend uninstalling the flash plugin packages and use the tar.gz thing you have used
[12:27] <kaddi> can i upgrade from intrepid 32 to jaunty 64 bit or do i have to reinstall?
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> kaddi: will need a reinstall
[12:27] <kaddi> not good :/
[12:33] <alex__> ...
[12:34] <cumulus007> ActionParsnip: it doesn't help at all
[12:35] <ActionParsnip> cumulus007: ok then: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer flashplugin-nonfree
[12:35] <ActionParsnip> i ate flash
[12:35] <ActionParsnip> *hate
[12:36] <ActionParsnip> actually flash is ok, its adobe who suck
[12:36] <Vezir> ugh i hate this and me down laptop
[12:36] <Vezir> x finds no modes for the screen with default xorg.conf
[12:37] <Vezir> and the dvd-rw barely works so it won't let me install because of all the squashfs errors
[12:37] <Vezir> so i can't fix it
[12:37] <ActionParsnip> Vezir: what is the output of :   lspci | grep -i vga
[12:37] <Vezir> well seeing as i can't install anything either for some odd reason
[12:37] <Vezir> i am stuck in windows
[12:37] <ActionParsnip> Vezir: install from a usb stck
[12:38] <Vezir> cause it was a handmedown
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> Vezir: can the system boot from usb?
[12:38] <Vezir> yeah
[12:38] <Vezir> thank god
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> !usb
[12:38] <Vezir> but not cardbus for someodd reason
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> Vezir: get a 1Gb usb stick and you can install from it
[12:39] <Vezir> i have a 2gb SD card and a usb card reader, i'm sure that will work
[12:39] <Vezir> unless it's like my old ps2 wshich can't read from drives
[12:39] <ActionParsnip> Vezir: as long a sit attatces to the usb bus its fine
[12:41] <ubuntu> Hi
[12:41] <ubuntu> Can I run Dstkop 3d?
[12:42] <Vezir> ugh, to do this i would have to copy 2gb of pictures almost
[12:42] <Vezir> from that thing to this laptop
[12:42] <ActionParsnip> ubuntu: you need to install and confiure video drivers first
[12:42] <Vezir> why does this laptop have to be a chinese piece of crap
[12:42] <ActionParsnip> Vezir: you should have a backup of your data if its important
[12:42] <Vezir> it's the chery qq of laptops
[12:43] <Vezir> i do. on my desktop. i just like to keep my most recent pictures tro use during anecsdotes
[12:43] <ActionParsnip> Vezir: thats not a backup, a backup would be on a disk or media that ISNT attatched to your system
[12:43] <ActionParsnip> Vezir: like on another system or on a dvd for example
[12:43] <Vezir> i guess
[12:44] <Vezir> i used to host them remotely
[12:44] <Vezir> but i got lazy
[12:44] <Vezir> and my hosting was through a friend
[12:44] <ActionParsnip> Vezir: if the drive fails, you WILL lose the data
[12:45] <ActionParsnip> Vezir: ergo, no backup == data is disposable
[12:48] <Acedip> will the kubuntu 9.04 be out with ubuntu or kubuntu follows a diff release cycle
[12:48] <Acedip> i mean will it be out tomorrow
[12:49] <peace> the same day
[12:49] <peace> and yes i am on kubuntu 9.04 and it works great
[12:49] <Acedip> alright..ohh..fine
[12:49] <Vezir> i'm getting ready to put 9.04 on here
[12:49] <Vezir> i wanna mess with kde4.2mainly
[12:50] <ActionParsnip> Acedip: sre it will be released in the usual flavours
[12:51] <Vezir> of course i don't have internet at home anymore
[12:52] <Vezir> and my card reader won't work
[12:52] <Acedip> kubuntu will be out with kde 4.2.2
[12:52] <Acedip> ?
[12:52] <Vezir> 4.2.2 is out
[12:53] <peace> Acedip: i am on kde 4.2.2
[12:53] <Acedip> fine
[12:53] <peace> and yes
[12:53] <peace> Acedip: you can see here http://www.vimeo.com/4259951
[13:01] <inma_> Hola
[13:01] <inma_> ¿qu´e tal?
[13:02] <inma_> es la primera vez que pongo esto... ¿esto es como el IRC, no?
[13:02] <peace> english
[13:02] <inma_> oh ok, sorry
[13:02] <peace> !spanish | inma_
[13:02] <peace> buena sorte
[13:03] <inma_> I have said
[13:03] <inma_> Hello
[13:03] <inma_> and how are you?
[13:03] <peace> fine xD
[13:03] <inma_> and that this is the first time I use thid
[13:03] <inma_> this
[13:03] <inma_> this is like IRC, isn't it?
[13:04] <peace> inma_:  you can find support on #kubuntu-es in your language
[13:04] <peace> inma_: it is
[13:04] <inma_> ok
[13:04] <peace> anyway if youi know english you can ask here inma_
[13:04] <peace> i am italian xD
[13:04] <inma_> what is this "room" exactly for?
[13:05] <peace> english support room
[13:05] <inma_> ciao peace
[13:05] <peace> hola
[13:05] <inma_> support, ok
[13:06] <inma_> thanks
[13:06] <inma_> then I gues I can ask: how do I set Dolphin on Gnome as the default file explorer?
[13:07] <peace> omg
[13:07] <peace> dolphin is the default file manager for kde
[13:07] <peace> you should use nautilus for gnome desktop
[13:07] <inma_> I am using Gnome right now
[13:07] <inma_> alternate between sessions, depends on the day
[13:08] <peace> i think that you have to ask on #ubuntu channel because i used only kde
[13:08] <inma_> and I definitely don't like nautilus...
[13:08] <peace> and i think yu have to set on gnome
[13:08] <peace> stuff
[13:08] <inma_> ok, thanks!
[13:08] <peace> you have not to set dolphin for that
[13:08] <peace> but gnome
[13:09] <the_dark_warrio> is it possible to disable the beep sound?
[13:09] <kaddi> which one?
[13:09] <the_dark_warrio> from gvim
[13:09] <inma_> then I am going to the ubuntu room, ciao peace! and grazie mile!
[13:10] <kaddi> when does it beep?
[13:10] <peace> inma_: buena suerte
[13:10] <inma_> ;)
[13:10] <peace> inma_: if i remember something of espagnol
[13:10] <peace> xD
[13:10] <the_dark_warrio> when pressing backspace on an empty line, for example
[13:11] <the_dark_warrio> wait, pressing BS on the beginning of the document produces a beep
[13:11] <peace> i think yes you have to set the program
[13:11] <peace> for example on konsole you hvae to go on settings
[13:11] <peace> and find out there
[13:12] <inma_> I'll do
[13:12] <inma_> I have some other problems with kde
[13:12] <the_dark_warrio> isn't it possible to disable beep for hole system? Im trying to mute it on Mixer, but doesn't seem to work
[13:12] <inma_> specifically graphic problems
[13:12] <kaddi> ok, from what i can see you go to edit ->settings -> 12 ->errorbells but I'm not sure how to set the right thing
[13:13] <peace> inma_: nvidia?
[13:13] <inma_> the icons on the right bottom panel appears "mixed"
[13:13] <inma_> intel 945
[13:13] <peace> o shi i have the same xD
[13:13] <inma_> and I get some strange colourful lines and and brief pause when I open a menu or firefox
[13:14] <peace> inma_: have you kubuntu 8.10?
[13:14] <inma_> yes
[13:14] <peace> inma_: mmm kde4.2.2?
[13:14] <inma_> 4.1
[13:14] <peace> oh no man
[13:14] <peace> kkde4.1 is evil
[13:14] <peace> you should upgrade
[13:15] <peace> it's not hard
[13:15] <inma_> how do I do that? I didn't get any upgrade notification....
[13:16] <peace> i think you have to add some repository
[13:16] <peace> here on kubuntu 9.04 it works great , less compiz because the new driver sucks
[13:16] <peace> let me see a while i have seen that stuff
[13:17] <kaddi> if you wait till tomorrow or the day after jaunty will be released and automatically features kde 4.2.2
[13:17] <peace> inma_: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2.2
[13:17] <peace> kaddi: he has 8.10
[13:17] <peace> changin kernel is not a nice idea expecially if you hardware work
[13:18] <kaddi> just thought i'd point it out...
[13:18] <inma_> if by "he has 8.10", you mean me, it's she
[13:18] <kaddi> :D
[13:19] <peace> inma_: no tiengo problema xD
[13:19] <peace> she has 8.10
[13:19] <inma_> so do I upgrade, or do I wait till Jaunty is tested in mass a little longer?
[13:19] <[mors]> hello
[13:19] <[mors]> I have my laptop with some blocks corrupted on the HD. Do you know a decent tool that will boot from a cd, or run on linux and will mark those blocks as unusable ? e2fsck takes ages and locks up completly when it gets to the damaged blocks. I left it working all night long and in 8 hours e2fsck only managed to scan 1% of 240GB
[13:20] <peace> inma_: are you expert? if not wait
[13:20] <inma_> noooooooo, I totally newbie
[13:20] <peace> inma_: wait
[13:20] <inma_> ok
[13:20] <kaddi> where you planning on upgrading?  I just mentioned it because I thought it would be unnecessary for you to go to kde 4.2 and upgrade to 9.10 tomorrow.
[13:20] <kaddi> *to go to kde 4.2 today
[13:21] <inma_> mors, have you tried HDD regenarator? It is supposed to fix bad block, at a physical level
[13:21] <[mors]> inma_: don't know that program
[13:21] <[mors]> how is it used ? were can I get it ?
[13:21] <[mors]> **where
[13:21] <peace> googling ?
[13:21] <ActionParsnip> inma_: softare physically repairing hardware
[13:21] <ActionParsnip> i have my doubts
[13:21]  * ActionParsnip websearches
[13:22] <peace> it's not open source
[13:22] <[mors]> peace: do I look like I care ?
[13:22] <inma_> it's worth the try... if you don't have too many bad sectors
[13:22] <inma_> I was not planning on upgrade yet
[13:23] <inma_> I am using right now gnome, since the lines and the little pause are really annoying
[13:23] <inma_> so I can wait
[13:23] <SmartBastard> first time kde user here
[13:23] <SmartBastard> looking good
[13:23] <peace> inma_: you should upgrade kde, to fix a lots of problems
[13:24] <peace> inma_: yoi should de-activate dekstop effects
[13:24] <inma_> so it fixes the weird lines?
[13:24] <inma_> and the icons?
[13:24] <[mors]> inma_: kde41 had too many issues
[13:25] <peace> inma_: here there is my video made with intel 945gm http://www.vimeo.com/4259951
[13:25] <peace> and you should know i was using recordmydesktop so it's 3 time slower than it will be without recordmuydesktop
[13:27] <inma_> cool! I have too much to learn...
[13:28] <millun> Sending failed using mail() as PHP's default mail() function returned boolean FALSE.
[13:29] <millun> is it possibly due to some SElinux restrictions? does kubuntu have SElinux? :)
[13:29] <millun> do i need to change something in php.ini for mail() to work?
[13:30] <rmrfslash> millun: do you have sendmail installed? Also, maybe #php can help
[13:31] <millun> good point rmrfslash
[13:33] <rmrfslash> millun: also, check out http://www.php.net/mail (which coincidentally refers to *nix sendmail)
[13:33] <millun> i didn't realize i had nothing installed
[13:34] <rmrfslash> millun: you have kubuntu installed ;) good start.
[13:35] <millun> i usually install from DVD instead of CD
[13:35] <millun> yeah, good start indeed :)
[13:37] <rmrfslash> millun: while this is off-topic, I do some wed dev myself. You know about the Oracle Sun take-over?
[13:39] <rmrfslash> millun: lots of ppl speculating about what this means for mysql
[13:39] <millun> hm
[13:39] <millun> i heard of it... i mean.. i read it in topic of #mysql
[13:39] <millun> i don't particularly care about future of mysql
[13:40] <faileas> millun: other than that its the most popular free database in the world
[13:41]  * faileas tbh is a little more concerned with the more minor things, like virtualbox
[13:41] <millun> i thought postgresql was better
[13:41] <rmrfslash> :O
[13:41] <faileas> mysql is forked and is unlikely to die. Openoffice, i donno. Java can't die.
[13:41] <rmrfslash> millun: I think the user base for mysql is like triple postgres
[13:41] <faileas> millun: technically? maybe. its just not as common
[13:42] <rmrfslash> I agree, Java won't die (Oracle Fusion Middleware is built w/ Java), Solaris who knows, Open Office will probably stay (what's the alternative?), mysql is forked but this will give it a limp
[13:43] <rmrfslash> Oracle tried killing mysql a year ago (tried buying Sleepy Cat)
[13:43] <millun> really
[13:43] <faileas> solaris... i donno
[13:43] <rmrfslash> Sun took mysql under it's wing
[13:43] <faileas> rmrfslash: the lack of OOo alternative is annoying ;p
[13:43] <rmrfslash> well, there's Koffice ;)
[13:44] <faileas> rmrfslash: not all the boxen i use/maintain are linux ;)
[13:44] <faileas> not to mention, OOo is a heavyweight
[13:44] <rmrfslash> yeah I despise it too
[13:45] <rmrfslash> I dunno, there's MS Office inside a VM :-/
[13:45] <faileas> lol
[13:45] <faileas> VMs are even heavier
[13:45]  * faileas wants something tiny and nimble
[13:45] <faileas> heck
[13:46] <faileas> i'll settle for a small light app that can do powerpoint slides and such
[13:46] <rmrfslash> Koffice!
[13:46] <rmrfslash> Qt is not avail on win, mac and *nix
[13:46] <faileas> er
[13:46] <rmrfslash> *now
[13:46] <faileas> there's QT4 for windows
[13:50] <rmrfslash> Kubuntu 9.04 tomorrow?
[13:50] <tsimpson> !jaunty
[13:50] <rmrfslash> Hey, it's tomorrow somewhere!
[13:50] <tsimpson> so, "most likely, yes" is the answer
[13:51] <tsimpson> we never guarantee a data, but unless something goes horribly wrong, (like an asteroid hits the release manager on the head), then it should be
[13:51] <tsimpson> s/data/date/
[13:52] <dstar> copying and pasting isn't working reliably from xterms from me, even though I have 'sync selection and clipboard' selected in klipper. Anyone know a solution?
[13:52] <SandGorgon> i am using kde 4.2.2 with skulpture and droid fonts - looks quite good!
[13:53] <rmrfslash> unless the internets go down
[13:55] <heyoss> hey
[13:56] <dstar> Is there a way to get Konsole not to steal my right-mouse-button clicks? I need to right-click in elinks far more often than I need the menu for konsole...
[13:56] <heyoss> yh
[13:59] <dstar> and if so, what?
[14:09] <dstar> Anyone? Anyone? Ferris?
[14:11] <julz> list irc.lodestoneit.co.uk
[14:41] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[14:42] <Dragnslcr> Shh, don't make so much noise
[14:44]  * genii listens to the crickets
[14:45] <inma_> hi there! any program similar to Mathematica or Matlab for kubuntu?
[14:46] <genii> !info octave
[14:46] <genii> Hm
[14:47] <yaa_> how could i uninstall google earth 4.2
[14:47] <genii> !info octave3.0
[14:48] <genii> yaa_: There should be an Uninstall program in the Google Earth folder
[14:53] <yaa_> genii: no
[14:53] <yaa_> there is no one
[14:56] <faileas> inma_: look up sage
[14:57] <inma_> sage is free?
[14:57] <faileas> its not  properly packaged (you need to download, and decompress a tarball and run something there) but i'm told its excellent
[14:57] <faileas> yup
[14:57] <yaa_> locate google | grep uninstall > none
[14:57] <genii> yaa_: Try then:  bash ~/google-earth/uninstall
[14:58] <yaa_> genii: i ve got a 4.2 version
[14:58] <faileas> inma_: one moment, i go find a link
[14:58] <genii> "locate" won't find files you've added since last updatedb command, btw
[14:59] <yaa_> sudo updatedb first
[15:00] <yaa_> i did
[15:00] <faileas> inma_: http://www.sagemath.org/
[15:01] <genii> yaa_: There anything in /opt directory with google type name?
[15:02] <inma_> thanks faileas! I'll take a look
[15:02] <yaa_> genii its for 5th version?
[15:03] <genii> yaa_: So you have 4.2 and 5 and you want 4.2 removed?
[15:03] <yaa_> i do not have 5th
[15:03] <yaa_> only in bin package)
[15:04] <yaa_> i want to install 5th but remove 4.2 first
[15:05] <genii> yaa_: It normally installs to either: /home/yourname/google-earth           or to: /opt/google-earth                (there may be variations on uppercase or so)
[15:06] <yaa_> i have /home/.googleearth
[15:06] <yaa_> but nothing for uninstall there
[15:06] <Anyoseyo> alright
[15:07] <yaa_> home/user/.googleearth i mean
[15:08] <yaa_> Cache  crashlogs  instance-running-lock  myplaces.backup.kml  myplaces.kml  myplaces.kml.tmp  Registry  Temp
[15:08] <yaa_> only this
[15:08] <yaa_> in ~/.googleearth
[15:14] <Anyoseyo> I changed the bios, but it still boots off windows after using unetbootin
[15:20] <Deviant2Peer> Hi all. I'm trying to get my nokia phone to send {notes, contacts, events, ...} to the computer using bluetooth. kbluetooth seams to have a obexserver but I can't get it to work.
[15:20] <Deviant2Peer> anyone has managed to do something similar can give a piece of advice?
[15:21] <cosmodad> hiya. I just upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04 and now all my desktop icons are gone.
[15:22] <cosmodad> any idea how to fix this? I noticed that upgrading to Intrepid did not complete in the first run for some reason, so I did a manual apt-get dist-upgrade.
[15:22] <cosmodad> not sure if the desktop issue could be related to this.
[15:24] <Guest26656> hey, I'm trying to set fireFTP to open stuff with the text editor but its not working...I don't think I set the paths right, where are things installed?
[15:24] <Guest26656> i've set it to "/usr/share/applications/kde4/kate.desktop" does that look right?
[15:25] <Anyoseyo> OK, i'm just installing 8.10
[15:25] <Anyoseyo> i'll upgrade tomorrow >.>
[15:26] <Anyoseyo> just seems i can't boot off my external hd :(
[15:32] <owner> Hello, qualche italiano?
[15:33] <Pici> !it | owner
[15:46] <bercik> What command builds .deb from source please?
[15:47] <faileas> bercik: the proper way. or the quick and dirty way?
[15:48] <faileas> the latter is called checkinstall and is used intread of install after make install
[15:48] <bercik> faileas: hm.. proper:)
[15:48] <faileas> bercik: proper... i suggest reading the debian documentaion on the subject
[15:48] <faileas> its complex
[15:48] <LjL> !packaging | proper way
[15:49] <bercik> thank You :)
[15:49]  * faileas uses checkinstall for most part. I know, bad geek.. BAAAD
[15:50] <subxero37> I'm having a bit of trouble getting nvidia drivers to work on 9.04 RC.
[15:50] <cosmodad> can anyone tell me why I cannot see my desktop icons since I switched from KDE 3 to 4.1?
[15:50] <cosmodad> they are still in ~/Desktop, but KDE 4 does not show them.
[15:51] <LjL> cosmodad: i think it's because KDE 4 by default doesn't have a "folder desktop"
[15:51] <LjL> but current KDE 4.2.2 (?) can have that feature optionally
[15:51] <cosmodad> LjL: so how do I get my icons back?
[15:52] <LjL> cosmodad: either add a folder plasmoid to your desktop, and assign it to the ~/Desktop folder... or, i don't know, but there is another way.
[15:52] <LjL> cosmodad: i would try looking in the desktop properties? right click on desktop that is
[15:53] <subxero37> That's how it's done in the recent releases, from what I've seen. Just add the desktop folder view to your desktop; I think you can use the button in the upper-right to do that (just a guess)
[15:54] <cosmodad> LjL: I couldn't find anything in the desktop properties.
[15:54] <cosmodad> subxero37: you mean by adding a mini-program or however its called?
[15:55] <LjL> plasmoid, it's called
[15:55] <cosmodad> LjL: how do I add that?
[15:55]  * Morydd doesn't care for plasmoids
[15:55] <subxero37> Yeah. Excuse my guessing, I've only used KDE 4 for about 20 minutes thus far
[15:55] <subxero37> Mainly spending my time trying to get my nvidia card to work properly
[15:56] <cosmodad> LjL: I can only add mini-programs and panels in the context menu of the desktop.
[15:56] <LjL> cosmodad: and what's wrong with that?
[15:56] <Morydd> They seem less useful given the fact that I generally keep my windows maximized.
[15:57] <faileas> lol
[15:57] <faileas> same as me
[15:57] <LjL> Morydd: but plasmoids are also what lies on your panels.
[15:57] <cosmodad> LjL: I cant seem to see how to add this folder plasmoid.
[15:57] <cosmodad> sorry, I'm all new to KDE 4 stuff.
[15:58] <LjL> i use kde 3.5 myself.
[15:59] <Laeborg> if im going to buy a new gfx card to PCI Expess 16x and it should work perfect in kubuntu, what should I choice then ?
[16:00] <subxero37> nvidia cards have always worked better for me in Linux than ATI cards have, although I prefer ATI's hardware
[16:04] <Laeborg> Okay, im more looking for a complete name on a card, because I really don't have a clue what to choice. It should play HD movies without lagging and so on.
[16:04] <doleyb> Laeborg: gosh, do you mean a blu-ray disc?
[16:05] <Laeborg> .mkv files ect.
[16:06] <Laeborg> min. 720p
[16:06] <subxero37> A few friends of mine own GeForce 9600s and 9800s, and they work great under Linux
[16:06] <subxero37> If you're curious, there's a review of a 9800 here - http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=msi_9800gt&num=1
[16:09] <Laeborg> There is also the ATI Radeon HD 4830
[16:10] <Laeborg> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=sapphire_hd4830&num=7
[16:11] <edea86> Hi
[16:11] <doleyb> Laeborg: It doesn't take much of a card to play an hd mkv.  Usually it's the cpu that'll make it lag.
[16:11] <edea86> I can't write accents on konversation or amsn
[16:12] <edea86> ´o´i´e´u´a
[16:12] <edea86> how do I fix it? everything is set to utf8
[16:13] <Laeborg> Okay. Im also thinking of buying a Intel Core2Quad or a Intel Core i7. Is both of them supported by linux ?
[16:13] <subxero37> x86-64 CPUs are all x86-64 CPUs; they're supported just fine
[16:13] <Laeborg> nice
[16:14] <subxero37> Although i7s are new and priced quite a bit higher; a Core 2 is still a fantastic CPU
[16:14] <Laeborg> Which of these to CPU's would you recommend? Core i7 should be better, but Core2Quad is cheaper.
[16:14] <Laeborg> I have a Core2Duo in this machine, and it works perfect.
[16:15] <doleyb> Laeborg: what megahertz is the cpu that gives you a problem playback?
[16:16] <doleyb> Laeborg: (Like for example, some modern laptops have 800 mhz, and that'll be a problem)
[16:16] <faileas> well
[16:16] <faileas> that and some MKVs are plain problematic
[16:16] <Laeborg> Intel Pentium D 2,8 ghz
[16:16] <Laeborg> but the machine is really unstable, and goes down around once every day and so on
[16:17] <doleyb> goes down!  that is fun.
[16:17] <Laeborg> crappy machine :P
[16:17] <subxero37> What do you mean by "goes down"?
[16:18] <Laeborg> freeze
[16:18] <subxero37> Have you run a memory test?
[16:18] <Laeborg> yes, no errors
[16:18] <subxero37> How's the power supply?
[16:18] <Laeborg> But the machine is 3-4 year old, and have been runned almost 24/7 since I got it
[16:18] <Laeborg> dunno
[16:19] <subxero37> Those are the two things I usually point fingers at
[16:19] <doleyb> Laeborg: If video speed is important for you, you may want to get a card with vdpau.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDPAU
[16:20] <Laeborg> power supply = the psu ?
[16:21] <Lord_Devi> I've been trying to create a libvirt Virtualization environment on my lan. However, while the guest OS's can see the gateway+internet, they get Destination Unreachables pinging to the rest of the lan. The lan gets the same thing pinging the guest os from anywhere but the gateway(which the libvirt is on). Any insights perhaps?
[16:23] <subxero37> Most guest OSes use networking that allows access to an external network, but not the internal network
[16:23] <subxero37> There should be an option to use bridged networking, which should fix that, I believe
[16:23] <astrolite> Lord_Devi: if you use userspace networking with kvm you only get tcp (and i think udp) not icmp
[16:23] <subxero37> Or that, too. I could be wrong.
[16:24] <astrolite> if you want icmp as well, you need to use tun/tap
[16:24] <astrolite> or bridge
[16:24] <Lord_Devi> Oh I see, I wasn't aware of that
[16:24] <Peace-> Hi
[16:24] <Lord_Devi> The guest's Nic device is a tun, which I have bridged to a br0 I had already meade for my internal Nic(eth1), paired with an openvpn tap0.
[16:24] <Lord_Devi> Do you suppose that could cause any wierdness? Haven't a tunnel AND a tap on the same bridge?
[16:27] <Lord_Devi> I don't understand why real computers route through the br0 fine though, and then VMs do not..
[16:27] <astrolite> Lord_Devi: sorry, i haven't done that extensive testing.. try setting up things as simple as possible, begin with just a tun-device on host and try pinging and go from there
[16:28] <Lord_Devi> hehe, yeah i did. Thanks though.
[16:28] <Lord_Devi> the br0 was an attempt to fix the tun.. basic Vm networking with libvirt all seem to be pretty much a basic NAT only setup
[16:30] <astrolite> ok
[16:31] <astrolite> i have only set up a virtualized network with server connected with the userspace network on host to give them access to internet, really simple stuff
[16:32] <Lord_Devi> Ah yeah
[16:32] <Lord_Devi> The basics are very nice and work well. I think it too bad that 8.04 has such an old version of libvirt.. Oh well
[16:32] <Lord_Devi> btw Kde 4.2 is awesome.. Just though I'd throw that out there.
[16:33] <faileas> Lord_Devi: ya. It is. and a lot more stable and uable than the 4.1 series
[16:33] <subxero37> I agree, even after only using it for a short time. It's polished and works well.
[16:33] <subxero37> Still can't get my nvidia driver to work with 9.04 RC.
[16:34] <Lord_Devi> Yeah! That's the biggest thing. It's perfectly stable.. fast and so much more customizable than gnome. I hated using gnome for so damned long.
[16:34] <subxero37> The Hardware Drivers app shows an available driver with my GeForce FX5500. Clicking Activate grays out the window, and nothing ever happens.
[16:34] <subxero37> I switched to a GeForce 6200, and the now the Hardware Drivers app shows nothing at all.
[16:34] <Lord_Devi> You can always try installing it manually
[16:35] <subxero37> What's the package name? Maybe I did the wrong one.
[16:35] <bercik> Could some open ati driver user paste me a xorg.conf please?
[16:35] <Lord_Devi> 'nvidia-glx-180' 'nvidia-common', and 'nvidia-settings'
[16:36] <Lord_Devi> the first one being the driver itself
[16:36] <subxero37> Hmm... I gave that a shot, and nothing changed (still no acceleration, no nvidia info in xdpyinfo)
[16:36] <subxero37> Inserting "Driver "nvidia"" into my xorg.conf prevents kdm from starting and drops me to a virtual terminal
[16:36] <subxero37> With no errors, which I found weird
[16:37] <Lord_Devi> is that 9.04 or 8.10?
[16:37] <Lord_Devi> perhaps you need linux-restricted-modules too?
[16:38] <subxero37> It's 9.04
[16:38] <Lord_Devi> ah ok, so no nvidia-glx then...
[16:39] <subxero37> Yeah, gives "no installation candidate" and recommends the actual packages, so no big deal there
[16:39] <subxero37> Have they not fixed that, or will it stay that way?
[16:40] <Lord_Devi> Not much help I guess. Not really awake yet myself. I just went over https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, and there is a bunch of possibly helpful looking items there. But nothing stood out
[16:41] <Lord_Devi> oh it's going to stay that way. Just nvidia-glx is an <=intrepid package. It's something else now... or included in nvidia-common or something.
[16:43] <subxero37> I'll run over everything again and look more closely at the logs and whatnot
[16:44] <Lord_Devi> subxero37: pay special attention to ~/.xsession-errors
[16:45] <tatters> How do I copy a file in terminal using the disk label rather than the mount point or /dev/sda1
[16:46] <SheeEttin> is there a known problem where (under KDE) after one tries to log in, it just leaves you at the log-in background?
[16:47] <Lord_Devi> tatters: I know of no handy switch or utility for that. You'd have to make a script using awk or sed or something. Or maybe something could be done with udev rules... That's a good question.
[16:48] <Lord_Devi> SheeEttin: Check your ~/.xsession-errors . That will probably let you know what it is hanging on.
[16:48] <SheeEttin> Lord_Devi: thanks
[16:49] <SheeEttin> but any other suggestions if it doesn't?
[16:49] <tatters> Lord_Devi: thanx for responding, I assumed using disk label would add convenience seems to added to my headaches lol
[16:49] <yoritomo> hello all
[16:49] <yoritomo> i tryed kde icon editor, but impossible to save any icon :s
[16:50] <Lord_Devi> SheeEttin: Depends how far one is willing to investigate the matter. A person can do quite a lot to debug X issues. It's probably just some KDE component missing a library though.
[16:50] <subxero37> I reinstalled the nvidia drivers and checked xdpyinfo again; still no nvidia text. .xsession-errors reports things like "extension GLX missing on display :0.0"
[16:50] <theuser1> !info | freenx
[16:50] <theuser1> !info freenx
[16:51] <Lord_Devi> SheeEttin: One has to make sure it's KDE first if logs don't help. Could be a driver issue... in which case you need to attempt to enter a different X environment and make sure X works.. If not then you can address that issue
[16:51] <theuser1> !info vnc
[16:51] <genii> !freenx > theuser1
[16:51] <yoritomo> how comes it is impossible to save a file under kdeiconeditor ?
[16:52] <subxero37> Do you have write access to the directory in which you're trying to save the file?
[16:52] <yoritomo> yes on my desktop, but no matter where i want, it never accepts :(
[16:53] <yoritomo> even if i try with kdesuod
[16:54] <yoritomo> possible to make icons with Gimp ?
[16:55] <SheeEttin> Lord_Devi: libs sounds reasonable... I'll look into it, thanks
[16:56] <bebege> How do I install Mozilla FIrefox?
[16:57] <yoritomo> or anyone knows a nice linux icons library on the net ? i needed to make a launcher for Vice emulator that is why i planed to make the icon, but if i can find ready to use ...
[16:57] <Lord_Devi> bebege: aptitude install firefox
[16:57] <Dragnslcr> bebege- Same way as anything else, with apt/adept/kpackagekit
[16:57] <bebege> I'''m kinda new to this whole Linux thing....
[16:58] <Dragnslcr> bebege- what version of Kubuntu?
[16:58] <yoritomo> in the GUI click on the menu /system/adept/ and type firefox in the search fiels
[16:58] <bebege> 3.5.6?
[16:58] <Lord_Devi> bebege: It's actually really simple to install applications in Linux. And uninstall them. Does each very cleanly and fast to boot.
[16:59] <Dragnslcr> bebege- I doubt that. Most likely either 8.10 or 9.04
[16:59] <bebege> how I get the versio?
[17:00] <Dragnslcr> bebege- you can open Konsole and run "lsb_release -a"
[17:00] <bebege> I downloaded this version af Kubuntu about a year ago... I finally decided to try it now....
[17:00] <Dragnslcr> Heh
[17:00] <Dragnslcr> Might want to try a newer version then
[17:00] <Dragnslcr> 9.04 is officially released tomorrow
[17:00] <bebege> oh ohhhhh...
[17:00] <Lord_Devi> bebege: Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months, and each one is generally quite an improvement over the previous version.
[17:01] <administrator_> hi
[17:01] <Lord_Devi> Tobi: Hi
[17:01] <Tobi> can where German
[17:01] <Dragnslcr> bebege- you can download the RC disc if you want, or you can wait an extra day or two and use the release disc
[17:01] <Dragnslcr> !de | Tobi
[17:02] <bebege> I think I'll wait....
[17:02] <Tobi> :( i cant good english
[17:03] <Dragnslcr> bebege- especially if you're on 7.10 or 8.04, 9.04 should be a pretty big improvement
[17:03] <serwis> hi all
[17:03] <bebege> hey.. ti says that firefox status is installed.... where the hell do I run it from?
[17:03] <Tobi> i have a problem with my update installer
[17:03] <Dragnslcr> Should be in K Menu -> Internet
[17:04] <bebege> don't see it there.....
[17:04] <serwis> can anybody help me to install polish language to package "kile" ?
[17:04] <yoritomo> what is the best icon library for ubuntu ?
[17:04] <Tobi> i can't package installed it's error
[17:05] <Dragnslcr> bebege- that's a bit odd. Not sure where else it would be, unless the package is messed up and didn't add a menu entry
[17:05] <Lord_Devi> yoritomo: Oxygen-Refit from kde-look.org
[17:05] <bebege> I'm gonna try downloading it again....
[17:05] <Tobi> No moment pls
[17:05] <Dragnslcr> bebege- alt-F2 should give you a run dialog, then just type "firefox"
[17:06] <Dragnslcr> bebege- you can add a menu entry yourself, too (right-click the K Menu and go to Edit Menu
[17:06] <Lord_Devi> bebege: Firefox will appear in your application menu under "Internet" when it is installed. I suggest you installl the package 'flashplugin-nonfree' as well for flash support
[17:07] <Tobi> i can't open the folder Adept Installer why
[17:07] <bebege> cool... cool...
[17:07] <bebege> I's actually redownloadingas we speak...
[17:07] <bebege> I saw a message about files currupt, that's why I took the option of download it again.....
[17:08] <Tobi> where has icq and can german for me help
[17:08] <yoritomo> thanks Lord_Devi
[17:08] <Dragnslcr> !de | Tobi
[17:09] <Tobi> wie offt den noch
[17:09] <Tobi> ich hab ein bescheuertes problem mit packeten isntalliren und da antowrtet keiner im forum
[17:11] <Tobi> pls help
[17:11] <SheeEttin> Lord_Devi: looks like you hit the nail on the head, installed kubuntu-desktop and kdebase and that pulled in some apparently-necessary packages. Thanks. :)
[17:11] <Dragnslcr> Tobi- I've told you twice what the German channel is
[17:12] <genii> !de | Tobi
[17:12] <stephen_> hi
[17:13] <Tobi> ok wen mir keiner helfen will
[17:13] <stephen_> Tobi: #kubuntu-de vielleicht?
[17:14] <stephen_> I notice that there's a netbook remix for ubuntu. Does anyone know what the differences/advantages are with it over netbook, and how do I get the same advantages on kubuntu?
[17:14] <stephen_> Is it a different kernel and stuff?
[17:15] <devilsadvocate> stefan_, probably not
[17:15] <george_> oh noooo! To get adobe air installed i coppied 32 bit libs to my /libs32 folder (im 64bit ubuntu) now when i run the flock browser (which everything used to work) i get flashplayer.so [/opt/flock/plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64] Segmentation fault
[17:15] <george_> and it just crashes
[17:16] <devilsadvocate> stefan_, different applications perhaps, and different defaults
[17:17] <stephen_> devilsadvocate: Any idea where I can find someone who knows?
[17:17] <devilsadvocate> stephen_, no idea. maybe they have an irc channel for that as well?
[17:17] <devilsadvocate> !netbook
[17:18] <Lord_Devi> SheeEttin: Oh good to hear it!
[17:19] <roberto_> how can install firefox?
[17:20] <Dragnslcr> stephen_- http://www.canonical.com/projects/ubuntu/unr
[17:20] <thmu5662> kn2y31q9
[17:20] <thmu5662> www.arcor.de
[17:20] <Dragnslcr> roberto_- same way as any other software, with apt/adept/kpackagekit
[17:20] <rmrfslash> what does it mean when your caps lock key is blinking and everything is hung on your computer? I assume it's not a good thing.
[17:20] <roberto_> adept
[17:21] <thmu5662> www.google.de
[17:21] <Dragnslcr> roberto_- just install the firefox package
[17:21] <roberto_> my adept doesn't find firefox
[17:21] <Dragnslcr> rmrfslash- I'd say that's a Bad Thing (tm)
[17:21] <Dragnslcr> !info firefox
[17:22] <Dragnslcr> It's in main, so I doubt it isn't available
[17:22] <Dragnslcr> roberto_- what does it show when you search for firefox?
[17:22] <rmrfslash> This happens often when clicking on things in Plasmoid NetworkManagement
[17:22] <ralpho> make sure 3rd party apps is checked and you hit apply
[17:22] <roberto_> a lot of additional package for firefox but note the web browser
[17:22] <roberto_> a lot of additional package for firefox but not the web browser
[17:23] <roberto_> first of all
[17:23] <roberto_> sorry for my bad english!
[17:23] <roberto_> ;)
[17:23] <faileas> try sudo apt-get install firefox :)
[17:23] <faileas> (from terminal, :) is not part of the command )
[17:23] <roberto_> i did sudo apt-get etc etc and it works
[17:23] <roberto_> but the question is
[17:24] <roberto_> why myy adept doesn t find firefox?
[17:24] <Dragnslcr> roberto_- you might have to hunt a bit. Adept's search isn't very good in KDE4
[17:24] <Dragnslcr> It tends to return a lot of unrelated packages
[17:24] <stephen_> Dragnslcr: Thanks. I had a read, but it's not really technical enough. It only says that there's a different interface, but I'm sure there's more to it than that.
[17:24] <roberto_> ok
[17:24] <roberto_> thank!
[17:25] <Dragnslcr> KPackageKit (the replacement for Adept in 9.04) lets you search only by name
[17:26] <subxero37> Still no luck with nvidia drivers. They simply do not load, whether they are installed manually or not
[17:27] <jackcy> I've read that there will be a netbook edition of ubuntu tomorrow, will there be a kde -_> kubuntu netbook edition too?
[17:28] <faileas> i doubt
[17:31] <devilsadvocate> jackcy, the kde one will probably take a lot longer
[17:32] <mysterious> всем привет
[17:34] <genii> !ru | mysterious
[17:38] <mugen> join #ubuntu
[17:40] <Guest40270> isn't kubuntu 9.04 supposed to be released today?
[17:40] <Pici> !jaunty
[17:40] <myselfhimself> hi
[17:41] <myselfhimself> I would like to reinstall kubuntu
[17:42] <myselfhimself> because I want it to start with opengl disabled (I'm using the nv driver for nvidia)
[17:42] <myselfhimself> could you tell me where my notes are located
[17:42] <myselfhimself> the plasma notes
[17:42] <myselfhimself> I would like to back them up and restore them after kde reinstall
[17:43] <myselfhimself> no actually I don't want that
[17:43] <myselfhimself> sorry thank you
[17:43] <jackcy> myselfhimself: it would be enough to make a: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or use the original xorg.conf
[17:43] <myselfhimself> ok
[17:43] <myselfhimself> jackcy ok
[17:44] <myselfhimself> jackcy since you're answering me
[17:44] <myselfhimself> I could further and resolve my nvidia API mismatch problem
[17:44] <jackcy> myselfhimself: you should find the xorg.conf in the directory /etc/X11/
[17:45] <myselfhimself> jackcy yes I know that location and have already edited the file several times. I understand what you intended by proposing me to get the original xorg.conf or do a reconfigure
[17:45] <jackcy> myselfhimself: what exactly is the problem?
[17:45] <myselfhimself> I'm using nv because my nvidia driver doesn't work
[17:45] <myselfhimself> where "doesn't work" means I have API mismatch errors in the dmesg and kdm cannot run
[17:46] <shock_day13> how much time is remaining for jaunty to release?
[17:47] <jackcy> myselfhimself: i had the same problem a week ago. after a kernel update the new module was not installes. so i reinstalled nvidia-glx-180
[17:47] <jackcy> after that it worked
[17:47] <jackcy> shock_day13: jaunty should be released tomorrow
[17:47] <shock_day13> man
[17:48] <myselfhimself> jackcy I also installed nvidia-glx-180
[17:48] <shock_day13> its taking forever
[17:48] <Pici> !party
[17:48] <myselfhimself> jackcy though... I actually I had installed the NVIDIA....run installer which did not work because of some .so error
[17:49] <myselfhimself> jackcy I'll try reusing the 180 deb package you installed yourself
[17:49] <jackcy> myselfhimself: i see. also tried this once. there is an uninstall option in the install script from nvidia, you could try that. if weas described in the readme i think.
[17:50] <bercik> Guys, what sould glxinfo say about vendor if i use "ati" drivers?
[17:50] <myselfhimself> jackcy yes I'm doign that --uninstall now
[17:51] <myselfhimself> jackcy do I need a system reboot after the nvidia-glx-180 installation ?
[17:52] <jackcy> myselfhimself: best way i figured out was to remove the nvidia packages (sudo aptitude remove nvidia...) and then install them again with the hardware driver tool. Obviously they are making some additional thinks too.
[17:53] <myselfhimself> jackcy ok, what's that hardware driver tool you mention ?
[17:54] <jackcy> myselfhimself: on my systel (intrepid) it's located in the application menu --> system --> hardware drivers (it installs the proprietary drivers if available)
[17:56] <myselfhimself> jackcy ok .. I actually have never installed graphical drivers this way... I'll use that next time. As to now I'm in full shell mostly. because kdm runs (the login screen) but not kde (because it needs GLX because of an old KDE setting and that does not work with nv)... so let's see for this nvidia-glx-180 installation first
[17:57] <quassel208> how can I know the ip off my msn contact ?
[17:58] <jackcy> myselfhimself: then you could try to move your .kde directory (mv ~/.kde ~/.kde_old) and try then
[17:58] <quassel208> I want to know which ip my contact has
[17:58] <myselfhimself> jackcy ok I'll do that now thank you
[18:00] <myselfhimself> jackcy what's the difference between .kde and .kde4 ? I have been using the same installation "ubuntu root" for a long time, and had kde-3.5 before too (I now have kde 4).. which .kde folder is used now ?
[18:00] <EagleScreen> I think kde4 uses .kde since intrepid
[18:00] <myselfhimself> jackcy ls -la shows that .kde4 is the most recent one
[18:00] <myselfhimself> ah
[18:01] <EagleScreen> but i am not completly sure
[18:01] <myselfhimself> .kde is from 2008 & .kde4 from yesterday in 2009
[18:01] <jackcy> myselfhimself: that's historical. hardy used .kde with kde3.5.x, and .kde4 with kde4. but with intrepid using kde4 as standard the paths switched back to .kde
[18:02] <myselfhimself> EagleScreen jackcy it seems different here (.kdethat's strange
[18:02] <myselfhimself> sorry
[18:02] <myselfhimself> actually no .kde is the most recent as you said (its contents are more recent)
[18:04] <jackcy> myselfhimself: what version are you using?
[18:05] <myselfhimself> jackcy 8.10 intrepid
[18:05] <myselfhimself> with kde4
[18:05] <myselfhimself> so yes you were right I had to work with .kde
[18:05] <Xain> Could someone tell me how to erase a dvd using k3b?
[18:05] <myselfhimself> kde still doesn't boot further than the hard drive blinking icon
[18:06] <EagleScreen> rename your .kde and you will see
[18:07] <myselfhimself> .xsession.org says communication problem with "kded", it probably crashed
[18:09] <jackcy> myselfhimself: you can restart the display manager with: sudo /etc/init.de/kdm stop and_then sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start)
[18:10] <myselfhimself> jackcy yes
[18:10] <myselfhimself> I could simply reinstall kde...
[18:10] <myselfhimself> I'll google my .xsession errors
[18:10] <myselfhimself> .. as a first step
[18:10] <myselfhimself> Hey has someone replied to that k3b question above ?
[18:11] <Xain> No, not yet.
[18:12] <Xain> I could really use some help with it if someone know's anything about it.
[18:12] <jackcy> xain in the tools menu, but you only have to erase dvd-rw
[18:12] <jackcy> xain dvd+rw are simply overwritten
[18:12] <Xain> Format DvD-RW option does not work.
[18:12] <Xain> Oh.
[18:12] <JuJuBee> How do I set dns servers via command line?
[18:12] <Xain> So if i create a new data project it will automatically write over it?
[18:14] <jackcy> xain exactly, but you can append it if you made a multisession before
[18:16] <jackcy> myselfhimself: i had to do that for a friend last wednesday bacause kdm was defect (gdm worked) i removed kubuntu-desktop kde-core kdm kdebase-workspace , cleared the cache and then reinstalled it. worked perfectly
[18:16] <Xain> All i want to do is erase the current data stored on the dvd and replace it.
[18:16] <Xain> Just a single session i suppose.
[18:16] <myselfhimself> jackcy ok I understand that, I think that I'll do it and what's the cache ?
[18:17] <myselfhimself> jackcy thanks for your help at least for now, because I have the nvidia driver working correctly now
[18:18] <Xain> I just told it i wanted to burn my new data, so i guess it's deleting my old data while writing the new data.
[18:21] <myselfhimself> jackcy none of the kubuntu-desktop and kde-core packages were installed (I had remove them when trying to work out my nvidia problem...) !!
[18:21] <jackcy> myselfhimself: all the packages that are downloaded and installed are saved in the /var directory. you can clean them with (sudo aptitude clean). This saves space and downloads all the packages from the server (again) which is not done if it is already downloaded
[18:22] <jackcy> myselfhimself: then you know why you cannot log on to kde
[18:23] <jackcy> xain then you can just make a new dvd-data project and burn it
[18:23] <oobe> im using 9.04 beta and for some annoying reason my cpu wont go past 1000MHz its using powernowd
[18:25] <Pici> oobe : Please join #ubuntu+1 for Jaunty/9.04 support/discussion.
[18:25] <oobe> ok thanks
[18:27] <Xain> So far so good, thank you jackcy.
[18:31] <Xain> Is there a channel for people who are running Intel chipset's?
[18:31] <Xain> If so i would really like to know, haha.
[18:33] <Xain> Ha, i found one. xD
[18:41] <Veovis> Question: I've been trying to load Launchpad, but it keeps timing out.  Is the site down right now?
[18:43] <genii> Veovis: Works fine from here (Canada)
[18:43] <Veovis> genii: thank you, the problem is probably on my end then.
[18:44] <adasz> Question: sorry for the bad gramatik and the false written words first, i am from german
[18:44] <adasz> germany*
[18:45] <adasz> my display is refreshing all 10-20 sec
[18:45] <jackcy> adasz: ask your question
[18:45] <Veovis> your display doesn't refresh for 10-20 seconds?
[18:46] <Veovis> or your display refreshes 10-20 times a second>
[18:46] <adasz> or a black screen come for <1sec
[18:46] <Veovis> okay
[18:46] <adasz> no all 10-20 sec the screen turn black for under 1 sec
[18:46] <adasz> seconds*
[18:47] <adasz> it looks like i blink
[18:47] <adasz> ^
[18:48] <Veovis> Sorry, I'm trying my best to understand you... your display is fine for 10-20 seconds, and then it goes black for a little under a second?
[18:48] <adasz> yes
[18:48] <Veovis> okay....
[18:48] <Veovis> I'm looking up the problem, I'm not sure what it is.
[18:49] <Veovis> give me a minute, or more likely, someone else might know faster than I can find it
[18:49] <yrl__> adasz: does it happen frequently? after this second your display is ok again?
[18:50] <adasz> yes
[18:50] <adasz> its ok
[18:50] <yrl__> it's ok all the time or is it going black again after some time?
[18:50] <adasz> all the time it gets black
[18:51] <yrl__> do you know what gfx card you have?
[18:51] <scherfa> adasz: Which graphic card u are using? maybee hardware problems?
[18:51] <Veovis> I found a launchpad entry on something similar, but I can't load it
[18:51] <Veovis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/275152
[18:52] <subxero37> Still no luck with nvidia drivers. Tried two different cards and three different driver versions (two from the repository, one from nvidia). No luck with ATI drivers either. Tried the xorg-video-fglrx driver (which caused kernel panics) and the ATI driver, which won't even install.
[18:52] <subxero37> I'm relatively pissed.
[18:52] <adasz> scherfa: an 8600GTS
[18:52] <adasz> nvidia*
[18:52] <scherfa> adasz: here 7300GS works fine ..
[18:53] <yrl__> adasz: i had a similar problem some time ago... it turned out to be my power supply gone bad
[18:53] <adasz> scherfa: have you installed some drivers?
[18:53] <yrl__> have yout tried playing some games in windows or something like that? does that happen then as well?
[18:53] <scherfa> adasz: no the default nvidia drivers work here ...
[18:54] <adasz> also you installed drivers? i only installed kubuntu 1 hour ago^
[18:54] <jackcy> adasz the mentioned bug is about mmonitors connected with hdmi cable. do you use such a cable?
[18:54] <yrl__> i'v got nvidia 280gtx and kubuntu always worked fine
[18:54] <adasz> no i have an  VGA calbe
[18:54] <Veovis> has anyone checked that link for me?  I can't load launchpad for some reason, but it looks like the person who filed the bug has the same problem as adasz
[18:55] <Veovis> ah, thank you jackcy
[18:55] <yrl__> veovis: it's a bug for intel gfx
[18:55] <Veovis> yrl__ okay, thank you
[18:56] <Veovis> The VGA cable is secure, right?
[18:56] <Guest17316> hey whats a good screen rocorder for kubuntu?
[18:56] <adasz> yes in windows is all perfekt but in linux not
[18:56] <Veovis> okay, good
[18:56] <yrl__> adasz: have you tried disabling desktop effects?
[18:57] <genii> Guest17316: Usually something like Krecordmydesktop
[18:57] <adasz> no can you tell me how? yrl__?
[18:57] <Guest17316> genii: is that in the repo?
[18:57] <genii> !info krecordmydesktop
[18:57] <genii> Guest17316: Yes
[18:57] <yrl__> adasz: click the menu, then select computer on the bottom then click "system settings"
[18:58] <yrl__> adasz: then select the "desktop" icon, and untick the option "enable desktop effects"
[18:58] <yrl__> then of course click "apply" :)
[18:59] <adasz> no the option is deaktivated
[18:59] <Veovis> ah...
[18:59] <yrl__> hmm no luck there then...
[18:59] <yrl__> ok try running this command then: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE
[19:00] <Guest17316> genii: I search for it in the repo, and I can't find it
[19:00] <Guest17316> searched for "Krecordmydesktop"
[19:00] <adasz> damn i kicked me out to login display
[19:00] <yrl__> try apt-get install recordmydesktop
[19:00] <genii> Guest17316: Enable the "Universe" repository
[19:01] <Guest17316> genii: how do I do that from settings?
[19:01] <yrl__> adasz try this:  cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE
[19:01] <adasz> i checked the apply effekt and it kicked my to login
[19:01] <jackcy> genii i do not have it in my repo too (jaunty)
[19:01] <genii> Guest17316: Do it from in Adept
[19:01] <Guest17316> genii: I have universe checked in settings
[19:01] <genii> !info krecordmydesktop jaunty
[19:02] <genii> Hm
[19:02] <genii> Guest17316: Appears it has not been packaged for 9.04 yet
[19:02] <Veovis> I was just about to say that, but the bot beat me to it
[19:02] <Guest17316> genii: anywhere else I can get it from?
[19:02] <adasz> yrl_
[19:02] <adasz>         (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
[19:02] <adasz> (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
[19:03] <yrl__> adasz: thats all?
[19:03] <Veovis> there is a program called istanbul, I've never tried it, but it is another screenrecorder
[19:03] <genii> Guest17316: In a last resort, you could add the Hardy deb-src line for that repo (Universe) then apt-get source krecordmydesktop               and build it
[19:03] <Pici> !screencast
[19:03] <yrl__> guest: apt-get install recordmydesktop
[19:04] <genii> Guest17316: Afterwards commenting out again the Hardy line in the sources.list file
[19:04] <Veovis> and it is in the jaunty repos
[19:04] <dstar> why does the maximize button not maximize my windows?
[19:04] <Guest17316> genii: I would do that...but don't know how...
[19:04] <adasz> yrl: yes its all
[19:04] <genii> Guest17316: Perhaps then investigate the bot's remarks on !screencast which Pici was so kind to point out
[19:05] <yrl__> adasz: then maybe you should try the restricted nvidia driver
[19:05] <Guest17316> genii: i'm searching for screencast in the repo...
[19:05] <adasz> yrl:
[19:05] <adasz> yrl:from where?
[19:06] <yrl__> adasz: open the menu, type "hardware" in the search box on the top. you should see "Hardware drivers" icon. click it
[19:06] <adasz> ok
[19:06] <adasz> thy
[19:06] <Guest17316> genii::...its not in the repo either...
[19:07] <yrl__> adasz: then an application should show up and you should see the nvidia driver on the list - activate it
[19:07] <adasz> there are 3 drivers
[19:07] <yrl__> is there any nvidia driver there?
[19:07] <adasz> i aktivate the wirh the biggest number
[19:08] <Veovis> 180.77 I believe adasz
[19:08] <Veovis> right?
[19:08] <adasz> yes
[19:08] <yrl__> adasz: after it is installed you should reboot
[19:08] <Veovis> yeah, that's the one
[19:08] <j13> hello
[19:08] <Veovis> hi j13
[19:08] <adasz> ok w8 plz i
[19:08] <adasz> come BACK
[19:08] <Veovis> we'll be here
[19:08] <j13> what up veovis
[19:08] <genii> Guest17316: "screencast" is not the name of a program but more a description of what you are wanting to do. The bot recommended the applications named:  recordmydesktop, Istanbul, Wink, Gvidcap, Xvidcap, vnc2swf, and demorecorder
[19:08] <j13> where r you from ?
[19:08] <adasz> gernaby
[19:09] <Veovis> not much, just trying to learn and help at the same time
[19:09] <Veovis> U.S.
[19:09] <j13> i cant use my web cam on kopete what can i do ??
[19:10] <Guest17316> o ok
[19:10] <yrl__> well since we're all here maybe i would ask about something: anyone played with nepomuk on kubuntu?
[19:10] <Veovis> what's the make and model of the webcam?
[19:10] <genii> j13: Does it work with the application called "Cheese" ?
[19:10] <j13> creative
[19:10] <Veovis> yrl__, nope
[19:10] <j13> ct6860
[19:11] <j13> cheese
[19:11] <j13> i dont have tried
[19:11] <j13> lets see
[19:11] <adasz> ok iam back
[19:12] <Veovis> okay adasz, keep us updated as to if it works or not
[19:12] <j13> ok
[19:12] <adasz> hm i think it works now perfekt
[19:13] <Veovis> awesome
[19:13] <adasz> no blackscreen
[19:13] <Veovis> j13: I believe that the program is called cheese camorama
[19:13] <Veovis> That's great adasz, I'm glad you got it working
[19:14] <adasz> hehe thx for the help to all
[19:14] <yrl__> np
[19:14] <adasz> how can i update kubutnu?
[19:15] <yrl__> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[19:15] <Veovis> you can use your package manager, it should show an icon in the system tray when you need to update
[19:15] <Veovis> or, if you're like me, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade in the terminal
[19:16] <yrl__> i personally dont like this "packagekit" thingy that came with jaynty...
[19:16] <Veovis> oh, too late on that one :P
[19:16] <adasz> how i can join root?
[19:16] <Veovis> type sudo before the command, but be very careful
[19:16] <adasz> without logout
[19:16] <Veovis> type exactly what we said, and nothing else
[19:17] <genii> adasz: sudo is used in (k)ubuntu and no root
[19:17] <Veovis> root can really destroy your computer
[19:17] <adasz> i know, in the shool we lern to work with linux, only how install nas and nis
[19:17] <genii> j13: What does: lsusb                    say for the camera?
[19:17] <yrl__> well you should type something like that: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:18] <yrl__> cause the second command will not run with root privileges
[19:18] <Veovis> adasz: I wish more schools would teach linux
[19:18] <adasz> sudo is also the command that login into root and work out the command?
[19:18] <Veovis> temporarily, yes
[19:18] <adasz> hehe i install my sister and mother linux in the next days
[19:19] <j13> cheese work great
[19:19] <Veovis> awesome, more users is always good
[19:19] <Veovis> j13: that's good and bad
[19:19] <adasz> for my mothers its good because they dont play games
[19:19] <Veovis> if cheese works, then the problem is with the software, not the drivers or hardware
[19:20] <j13> is kopete maybe
[19:20] <adasz> but how do you play games?
[19:20] <Veovis> adasz: that's the only reason I keep windows.  Plus, if they need help, you can ssh into their systems to help
[19:21] <Veovis> adasz, there is a program called WINE that emulates windows, there are free games, and that's about it
[19:21] <Veovis> commercial games are almost all for windows
[19:21] <yrl__> but there is also a commercial program called "cedega"
[19:22] <Veovis> I do know that Valve's Steam is coming to linux soon
[19:22] <yrl__> its actualy a wine clone designed to run games in linux
[19:22] <adasz> i have hl1 and hl2 and played cs:source
[19:22] <Veovis> and I believe there's a company that ports windows games to os x and linux called crossover games or something similar
[19:22] <Veovis> yeah, those might be on linux soon.
[19:23] <adasz> nice ;)
[19:23] <Veovis> I know that left 4 dead came with linux files and libraries
[19:23] <j13> i need to use my camera with msn users ?
[19:24] <j13> some good messenger program with cam ??
[19:24] <adasz> skype?
[19:24] <Veovis> but I'm not sure if they'll port older games or just make sure newer games run
[19:24] <j13> kopete doesnt work with cam
[19:24] <adasz> test skype
[19:25] <j13> skype works with msn users?
[19:25] <Veovis> j13: I'm not sure, I don't chat much.  I know pidgin works with msn, but last I checked, it doesn't do video
[19:25] <adasz> no sry ^
[19:26] <j13> yes is true
[19:26] <Veovis> okay
[19:26] <Veovis> hmmm.....
[19:26] <adasz> veovis: how can i update to kubuntu 9.xx
[19:26] <adasz> ?
[19:26] <Veovis> I don't think I can help you find a good program for video chat then, maybe someone else can
[19:27] <Veovis> adasz: I would wait about a week or so, and then your package manager should show you a button that you can click to update
[19:28] <j13> a good msn with cam for linux ???
[19:28] <j13> thanks veovis !!!
[19:28] <Veovis> 9.04 should be out some time tommorrow, but the servers are going to be demolished again
[19:28] <Dragnslcr> adasz- official release is tomorrow. Adept should notify you about it (maybe not until Friday morning)
[19:28] <adasz> ohh ok
[19:28] <adasz> thx
[19:29] <Veovis> j13: not a problem, I hope you find a good program
[19:29] <Dragnslcr> There will be instructions on kubuntu.org too
[19:29] <j13> i hope so thanks
[19:30] <Veovis> but like I say, it would be better to wait about a week or so until people have finished
[19:30] <Veovis> adasz
[19:30] <SilentDis> bit of an odd one here... I use EVDO to connect to the internet.  I stopped using network manager because i needed finer control over my network settings.  I'd like the machine to bring ppp0 up whenever /dev/ttyACM0 appears (when i connect the modem and HAL does it's magic).  suggestions?
[19:31] <Veovis> sorry SilentDis, I have enough trouble with network manager, I can't help
[19:31] <Veovis> ;P
[19:31] <SilentDis> Veovis: that's why i uninstalled network manager completely
[19:31] <adasz> ok thx Veovis
[19:31] <Veovis> that's a good idea actually.  I might have to do that
[19:32] <Veovis> and don't assume that because one person can't help,  that no one can
[19:32] <SilentDis> Veovis: was easier to just use pppconfig and setup all the scripts that way (for the EVDO) then setup my /etc/interfaces with the ppp0 stuff.
[19:32] <yrl__> silentdis: you can play with udev a bit but it can be a tricky solution
[19:33] <adasz> how can i add some widgets?
[19:33] <SilentDis> yrl__: it seems simple enough... when ppp0 is down, and /dev/ttyACM0 exists, `ifup ppp0`
[19:33] <Veovis> adasz: new widgets?
[19:34] <yrl__> silentdis: and how can you discover if ppp0 is down?
[19:34] <SilentDis> yrl__: the easiest way that comes to my mind is a quick `ifconfig`
[19:35] <adasz> the miniprograms on the display
[19:35] <yrl__> well execute ifconfig, grep for the interesting line then check for ttyacm0 and do ifup :) you can do it in one line i guess
[19:35] <SilentDis> yrl__: yeah, `ifconfig -s` shows just the interfaces that are up
[19:36] <adasz> ohh i finded it out
[19:36] <SilentDis> yrl__: therein lies the problem.  i r noob at shell scripting, and have very very limited knowledge of... well, cron i guess would be doing this...
[19:37] <JoeMPC> Hi all!
[19:37] <SilentDis> yrl__: i know exactly what needs to be checked... but the automation of it is where i'm getting hung up lol
[19:37] <yrl__> well lemme see
[19:38] <yrl__> ifconfig -s | grep ppp0 should show you a line of text when ppp0 is up and no line when ppp0 is down
[19:38] <JoeMPC> Anyone from Kilkenny/Ireland??
[19:38] <adasz> how can i get a python skript driver?
[19:38] <SilentDis> yep, confirmed
[19:39] <pteague> -z "string" to see if string is empty
[19:40] <yrl__> if [ -z "$(ifconfig -s | grep eth0)" ]; then echo "OK"; else echo "BAD" ; fi
[19:40] <yrl__> somwthing like this should check if interface is up... replace eth0 with ppp0
[19:40] <yrl__> aaand replace "-z" with "-n" :)
[19:40] <SilentDis> lol
[19:40] <Veovis_> adasz: Sorry, my computer died, and now I can't get on the Internet
[19:41] <adasz> ooh ok no problem i test something
[19:41] <SilentDis> yrl__: ok, that works great...
[19:41] <Veovis_> Did you get your question answered
[19:41] <adasz> no
[19:41] <Veovis_> Okay
[19:41] <adasz> witch question do you rememberß
[19:41] <jackcy> myselfhimself: any success?
[19:42] <Veovis_> I'm going to be slow because i'm typing from my iPod
[19:42] <adasz> ohhhh
[19:42] <SilentDis> yrl__: how would i go about checking if /dev/ttyACM0 exists?
[19:42] <Veovis_> Adding new widgets
[19:42] <yrl__> you can use -a...
[19:43] <adasz> yes i added some widgets but some need python-skript-driver
[19:43] <yrl__> if [ -n "$(ifconfig -s | grep eth0)" -a -a /dev/ttyACM0 ]; then echo "OK"; else echo "BAD" ; fi
[19:43] <Veovis_> That's your question, right?
[19:43] <Veovis_> Ah
[19:43] <Veovis_> Okay
[19:43] <Veovis_> You should be able to apt-get with that text
[19:44] <Veovis_> Python-script-driver
[19:44] <SilentDis> yrl__: if you don't mind me asking, why the 2 '-a's?  i'm trying to learn this stuff hehe
[19:44] <yrl__> silentdis: so in conclusion we have: if [ -n "$(ifconfig -s | grep ppp0)" -a -a /dev/ttyACM0 ]; then ifup ppp0; fi
[19:45] <yrl__> the first "a" is to combine the two expressions (on the left and on the right) togetrer
[19:45] <yrl__> the second "a" is to check if file exists
[19:45] <SilentDis> yrl__: ahhh, gotcha
[19:45] <Veovis_> adasz_: Can you apt-get install python-script-driver
[19:46] <adasz_> sudo apt-get install python-script-driver
[19:46] <adasz_> right?
[19:46] <jackcy> asasz_ you should have python already installed. if not, you can install it with the package manager. some text editor  like kate support the syntax. you could also try eric to develop. a good place to start is the documentation diveintopython
[19:46] <KiRiLoS> It seems that i got some trouble with my Nvidia Drivers,anyone willing to help me out?I am using 9.04 kubuntu i386
[19:46] <SilentDis> yrl__: now, i assume this'll need to run on a timer or some such under cron?  got a resource you can point me to to read up on that?
[19:46] <vertago1> anyone know why the network manager plasma applet doesn't display some of the wired connections?
[19:46] <Veovis_> Yeah, try it
[19:47] <yrl__> silentdis: yea i think you should but there may be a better way but it would require more work i guess
[19:47] <Veovis_> I'm not 100% sure though
[19:47] <yrl__> just google about cron for a bit its not that hard
[19:47] <adasz_> veovis: they don't find something
[19:48] <SilentDis> yrl__: thanks.  i'll have to tweak this a little bit (as I need to get it to check when ppp0 is not up, rather than is up)
[19:48] <yrl__> then just replace -n with -z
[19:48] <Veovis_> Okay, I can't look anything up for you without exiting the chat, no multitasking on the iPod
[19:48] <Veovis_> Sorry adasz_
[19:49] <adasz_> ohhhh no problem
[19:49] <adasz_> when you want you can look later
[19:49] <adasz_> dont must be now
[19:49] <adasz_> but thx for help
[19:49] <Veovis_>
[19:49] <adasz_> jackcy what you mean?
[19:49] <vertago1> vmware player's nat connections are showing up on the network manager applet under wired connections, but the wired connection I added through the connection manager doesn't always display and sometimes is drawn under the wireless connections. I was trying to figure out how to get launch pad to let me add it as a bug.
[19:50] <Veovis_> Not a problem, it's fun
[19:50] <jackcy> asasz_ i meant that python should be installed by default, i misunderstood you (hab dich falsch verstanden)
[19:50] <Veovis_> I'm done for right now, I have some housework I need to do
[19:51] <Veovis_> Bye all
[19:53] <rmrfslash> Does anyone know how to test if your machine belongs to a particular NIS group?
[20:05] <lorecaster> is there a special room for OOo3.1?
[20:09] <myselfhimself> thanks for your help !! jackcy
[20:10] <jackcy> myselfhimself: did it work?
[20:10] <lorecaster> is there a special room for OOo3.1?
[20:12] <genii> lorecaster: Probably just #openoffice.org
[20:12] <lorecaster> kripes, it would be that easy. :P thanks
[20:12] <lorecaster> always a pleasure, Genii
[20:12] <genii> lorecaster:  :) You're welcome
[20:18] <SilentDis> yrl__: hey.  I got the script to work if i run it by hand, and i can see in the system logs cron runs it once a minute...  but it won't actually 'go' when cron executes it :(
[20:18] <yrl__> silentdis: do you have this script in a separate file?
[20:19] <SilentDis> yrl__: yes
[20:19] <yrl__> what command are you running in cron?
[20:19] <SilentDis> yrl__: * * * * * root /root/internet-check.sh
[20:20] <yrl__> try replacing it with "/bin/bash /root/internet-check.sh"
[20:20] <yrl__> without quotes of course
[20:20] <artyom> HI
[20:20] <artyom> РУССКОЯЗЫЧНЫЕ ЕСТЬ
[20:20] <subxero37> Would anyone know why xorg-driver-fglrx is hanging my system? I can't even drop to a virtual terminal and can only reboot with alt+sysrq+b
[20:20] <Pici> !ru | artyom
[20:21] <SilentDis> yrl__: brb, we'll see if it works now :)
[20:21] <SilentDis> yrl__: again, thanks for the help!
[20:21] <yrl__> np
[20:24] <subxero37> I have an ATI Radeon 9800 and the official ATI driver won't install; installing xorg-driver-fglrx causes the system to hang completely. This is under Kubuntu 9.04. Is the 9800 not supported?
[20:24] <SilentDis> yrl__: woot!  it came up on it's own!  thank you :D
[20:25] <yrl__> =]
[20:25] <SilentDis> yrl__: but i did find a bit of a flaw in ppp... roflmao
[20:26] <SilentDis> yrl__: lets say the `ifup ppp0` command fails for whatever reason (modem not ready, stray cosmic rays, etc), the interface won't come back up till i issue a `ifdown ppp0` command (which fails too)...
[20:26] <yrl__> hmm
[20:27] <SilentDis> yrl__: sounds like i need some extra checking in the script that brings ppp0 up, i.e., to release everything in case it doesn't work right
[20:27] <yrl__> well if you issue ifconfig ppp0 (without -s) you  should find a line that shows if the interface is working or not
[20:28] <jackcy> subxero37 i have no ati but read somewhere that some cards only are supported by the radeon driver
[20:28] <yrl__> for example i have something like this with my eth0; UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[20:29] <SilentDis> yrl__: that's the problem.  `ifup ppp0` appears to go through, but for whatever reason, it hangs the modem.  the interface doesn't come up (no ppp0), but it's 'stuck' till i issue a `ifdown ppp0`
[20:29] <yrl__> so you can try "ifconfig ppp0 | grep UP"
[20:29] <yrl__> or whatever it says with ppp links i dont have one so i cant check
[20:32] <SilentDis> yrl__: think like this:  `ifup ppp0` *command executes, but sticks the modem, and cannot be brought up anymore* `ifdown ppp0` *frees whatever is stuck* `ifup ppp0` *works as intended*
[20:32] <yrl__> well
[20:33] <yrl__> you would have to check somehow if ifup worked or not
[20:33] <SilentDis> yrl__: checking logs now, it appears i'm getting a 'no carrier' at times, which is what it's hanging on.  I need to figure out how to get ppp to clear itself should that happen
[20:34] <yrl__> you should try executing "ifup ppp0; echo $?" and see if the script returns with a different code if it fails
[20:35] <SilentDis> yrl__: that's the problem here, it's scripts inside scripts inside scripts lol.  `ifup ppp0` executes a pppd connection script.  when that connection script goes, it shows an error in the logs, but reports back everywhere else that it succeeded (it ran, after all!)
[20:36] <yrl__> i guess you just have to check with pppd or whatever ppp daemon youre using
[20:36] <yrl__> cant help you much there
[20:37] <SilentDis> yrl__: understood.  i wish i wasn't using consumer-level hardware that's attempting to multitask as difference devices, then this stuff wouldn't happen and i know it lol
[20:38] <SilentDis> yrl__: EVDO ~ DSL over a cellphone.  computer - usb cable - motorola V3m phone :P
[20:39] <SilentDis> yrl__: having said that, this SHOULD work 90% of the time, and you've been an amazing help with this.  I'll get it licked sooner or later, thank you :)
[20:39] <jackcy> SilentDis: you could try something like "if [ $? -gt 0 ]; then" to check if the returncode last command failed (bigger than 0)
[20:39] <yrl__> np
[20:47] <adasz> hey all
[20:48] <adasz> who know CpuFreqDisplay?
[20:50] <adasz> hi
[20:50] <adasz> help
[20:50] <adasz> plz
[20:50] <adasz> yrl
[20:50] <adasz> hi
[20:56] <[-Haza-]> adasz: I do not use CpuFreqDisplay but i can help you. Your best bet to get help here is to ask your question and hold tight. That way people know what your problem is and might be able to help you. Its the whole "don't ask to ask" sorta thing :)
[20:58] <adasz> how can i hold tight?
[20:59] <jackcy> adasz wait for someone to know the answer
[20:59] <adasz> ok
[20:59] <adasz> wenn i insert a widget
[21:00] <adasz> some widgets mean that the python script driver is missing
[21:00] <adasz> or cant be use
[21:00] <adasz> sry my OS is in german
[21:01] <adasz> how can i install an package in the terminal?
[21:01] <Dragnslcr> sudo apt-get install packagename
[21:01] <genii> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install packagename
[21:02] <jackcy> adasz or = same is you can search it with (sudo aptitude search name) and install it with (sudo aptitude install name)
[21:02] <genii> I love that linux always has multiple ways to do something.
[21:03] <jackcy> me too *g*
[21:03] <adasz> thx i try to install the python-plasma
[21:04] <adasz> next problem
[21:05] <adasz> script initialize failed
[21:06] <adasz> help
[21:06] <adasz> the widget shows
[21:06] <adasz> script initialize failed
[21:07] <jensa> Hello! I'm pretty new to Kubuntu, and i'm having problems with my sound.. I cant install my soundcard drivers... it executes everything and installs it, then it fails.
[21:08] <rramalho> hi!
[21:09] <rramalho> i installed kubuntu on my imac 24"
[21:09] <rramalho> and installed the flashplayer
[21:09] <rramalho> but i can't have no sound in youtube for example
[21:09] <rramalho> can anyone give me a hint?
[21:09] <adasz> hi
[21:09] <adasz> =
[21:09] <adasz> ?
[21:09] <jackcy> adasz on my system (9.04 rc) the cpu monitor works out of the box maybe its broken in 8.10 but i can't tell for sure
[21:10] <jensa> rramlho, i have the same problem - have you installed kubuntu-restricted-extras?
[21:10] <jensa> your soundcard drivers?
[21:10] <adasz> jackcy: how can i update to 9.04
[21:10] <adasz> ?
[21:11] <rramalho> jensa: it's got sound all over the place
[21:11] <Lord_Devi> adasz: ALT-F2: update-manager -d
[21:11] <jensa> rramlho, but not on youtube+
[21:11] <rramalho> yep
[21:11] <jensa> ah okai
[21:11] <rramalho> anything with flash
[21:11] <jensa> i dont have sound in any place ;<
[21:12] <jackcy> adasz Type Alt-F2 and type into the box update-notifier-kde -u (but it's released tomorrow, you could wait i think)
[21:12] <adasz> no new update available
[21:13] <adasz> jackcy i want to learn more about linux
[21:13] <adasz> also i go out of the normal way to learn more ;)
[21:13] <jackcy> rramalho i have the same problems with amarok blocking the sound card. so i close it and i then i have sound
[21:14] <rramalho> jackcy: i don't have amarok running
[21:15] <jackcy> adasz mail/icq if you like?
[21:16] <jackcy> rramalho you could still try turning off the kde notifications
[21:16] <jensa> How do i see what soundcard i have in my comp?
[21:17] <rramalho> how do i do that jackcy ?
[21:17] <jackcy> jensa lspci
[21:17] <rramalho> jensa: command line lspci -v
[21:17] <jackcy> rramalho system settings --> notifications --> second tab
[21:17] <jensa> thanks
[21:18] <nighteagle> hi everybody
[21:18] <nighteagle> i'm using kubuntu hardy heron, and when i want to print some documents, i have them printed very small on the paper
[21:19] <rramalho> jackcy: use system bell ? lol :)
[21:20] <rramalho> well
[21:20] <rramalho> doesn't work
[21:20] <rramalho> noone has problems with flash player
[21:21] <rramalho> guess i'm a unlucky bastard...
[21:22] <rramalho> back to os X then...
[21:26] <rramalho> found this
[21:26] <rramalho> it's a bug
[21:26] <rramalho> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/355740
[21:29] <rramalho> ok, for anyone with problems on flash player: go to the mixer and take the PCM sound from volume... ZERO
[21:29] <rramalho> :S
[21:56] <zetto> всем привет
[22:04] <|PaperTiger|> When I try watch a film on Kubuntu, the video viewing area flickers black and film footage. How do I stop this?
[22:21] <dabbler> so...what time is official release time ?
[22:22] <dabbler> 40 minutes to the '23/04/2009' here  :)
[22:23] <dabbler> 38 minutes
[22:23] <dabbler> so what time is official release time?
[22:23] <dabbler> anybody !!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????
[22:24] <bindaas> will this release be less buggy than last release ?
[22:25] <dabbler> mines been doing well the past month or 2
[22:28] <susbwoy> Hi, I just want to verify the 56k modem on this laptop will be working. Not sure if it is in this lspci -> http://pastebin.com/m6e943ebc   (buntu 8.10/toshiba satellite u400 laptop). Can anyone point me into direction to find out? kppp is using /dev/modem by default but there is no such device.
[22:28] <dabbler> i use dsl...no idea how to even help you on that one
[22:35] <adasz> question: i want to install an ftp server on my kubuntu
[22:35] <tsimpson> !ftpd
[22:36] <adasz> !ftpd
[22:36] <adasz> !ftp
[22:36] <tsimpson> see https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/ftp-server.html
[22:36] <adasz> is this tool with an interface or only terminal
[22:37] <tsimpson> you can install that in a GUI, it doesn't mater
[22:38] <johan__> salut
[22:38] <adasz> how in the GUI?
[22:38] <adasz> and witch ?
[22:38] <johan__> je suis nouveau sous Kubuntu je viens de l'installer et j'ai deja fait une connerie !
[22:38] <tsimpson> !fr | johan__
[22:39] <tsimpson> adasz: read https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/ftp-server.html you can just use the package manager to install packages
[22:39] <tsimpson> but it's a daemon, so you'll need to edit text files and use the command line to set it up
[22:40] <adasz> is there nothing like filezilla?
[22:41] <tsimpson> filezilla is not a ftp server, it's a client
[22:42] <adasz> nope
[22:42] <adasz> filezilla is an ftp server
[22:43] <adasz> http://filezilla-project.org/
[22:43] <adasz> look
[22:43] <Dragnslcr> Filezilla has both a client and a server
[22:43] <adasz> YEEEEEEEES somebody know it
[22:43] <tsimpson> the server is ONLY windows
[22:44] <adasz> give it servers for linux that are likes filezilla server?
[22:44] <noren> !ftp
[22:44] <tsimpson> just read the guide to install a ftp server
[22:44] <tsimpson> we don't really do GUI daemons
[22:44] <adasz> !ftpd
[22:44] <susbwoy> Hi, I just want to verify the 56k modem on this laptop will be working. Not sure if it is in this lspci -> http://pastebin.com/m6e943ebc   (buntu 8.10/toshiba satellite u400 laptop). Can anyone point me into direction to find out? kppp is using /dev/modem by default but there is no such device.
[22:44] <Dragnslcr> According to the bot, there are GUI frontends to pure-ftpd and proftpd
[22:45] <tsimpson> sure there are GUIs to configure it, but you need to install a ftpd first
[22:45] <Dragnslcr> In theory, the config file for an ftpd shouldn't be too complicated
[22:45] <Dragnslcr> The last couple I tried, though, weren't that great
[22:47] <adasz> !ftpd
[22:47] <adasz> !ftpd
[22:47] <PROject-Emerald> Hey, I had a quick Kubuntu question
[22:48] <noren> PROject-Emerald: yes u can use konsole
[22:48] <PROject-Emerald> If I switch from Ubuntu to Kubuntu is it a good idea? I'm a total linux noob and someone told me Kubuntu was more newbie-friendly
[22:48] <PROject-Emerald> Don't answer me before I ask my question... I asked that in #Ubuntu for a reason
[22:48] <tsimpson> you'd have to use it to know if it's right *for you*
[22:48] <tsimpson> I prefer it over gnome any day
[22:49] <Ciros> the only difference  is the gui front end, one is gnome, the other is KDE.     and what tsimpson said.
[22:49] <Ciros> I prefer kde, but then again I know kde better than gnome
[22:49] <PROject-Emerald> I have no idea what the difference is, so I'm gonna go ahead and use it :D
[22:49] <PROject-Emerald> Are the terminal/console commands different? like sudo apt-get install etc
[22:49] <Dragnslcr> PROject-Emerald- best thing to do is try out both for a few days and see which one you like better
[22:49] <tsimpson> PROject-Emerald: all terminal commands are the same, just the GUI applications are different
[22:49] <Dragnslcr> Nope, the shell is the same
[22:49] <PROject-Emerald> awesome.
[22:50] <noren> PROject-Emerald: look and feel is better in kde
[22:50] <PROject-Emerald> And err, can someone teach me how to mount .iso's on linux? I used to use Nero but I don't feel like it :)
[22:50] <tsimpson> Ubuntu = Ubuntu base (cli) + Gnome, Kubuntu = Ubuntu base (cli) + KDE
[22:50] <Dragnslcr> It's still the same base operating system. Kubuntu is just Ubuntu with KDE as the desktop instead of Gnome
[22:50] <tsimpson> !iso | PROject-Emerald
[22:50] <PROject-Emerald> Ok. Brb 2 secs, restarting
[22:56] <PROject-Emerald> Ok. should I download 8.10 or 9.04?
[22:56] <tsimpson> PROject-Emerald: if you have ubuntu installed, just install kubuntu-desktop
[22:57] <tsimpson> or wait about 12-16 hours and get jaunty
[22:57] <PROject-Emerald> Jaunty comes out in 12 hours? Sweeeet
[22:57] <noren> tsimpson: i think fress install will be better
[22:57] <tsimpson> not *exactly* 12 hours, but about that
[22:59] <userdz> saha
[23:00] <seriai> saha
[23:01] <drbobb> in jaunty's dolphin, right click -> preview this file, does nothing
[23:02] <drbobb> is that how it (not) works for you, or is something broken on my system?
[23:02] <Anyoseyo> so how much longer til release :)
[23:03] <tsimpson> 10 minutes longer now you asked
[23:03] <userdz> rak hna kho
[23:03] <Anyoseyo> lol
[23:03] <seriai> oui
[23:03] <userdz> hahahha
[23:03] <seriai> hhhhhhhhhh
[23:03] <userdz> chkoun had el 3ibed
[23:03] <userdz> ????
[23:04] <kanonmat_> !fr
[23:04] <tsimpson> drbobb: where do you see "preview this file" ?
[23:04] <seriai> rana nkalkou fi enass
[23:04] <drbobb> tsimpson: when I right click on a file's icon
[23:04] <userdz> Merci, on ne savait pas, oui on a besoin d'aide, avec mon binome, on souhaiterait installer skype pour travailler notre projet
[23:05] <tsimpson> drbobb: any particular type of file?
[23:05] <userdz> mais, je n'arrive pas de mon cote, je peux poser le prob en Anglais, s'il le faut
[23:05] <tsimpson> userdz: Ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en francais, merci de rejoindre #ubuntu-fr
[23:05] <lordofthepigs> Hello, how can I start a process using konsole, and make it so that it doesn't die when I close konsole
[23:05] <drbobb> tsimpson: just tried witj .txt and .odt
[23:05] <devilsadvocate> lordofthepigs, add an & at the end of the command
[23:05] <tsimpson> lordofthepigs: try "process &"
[23:05] <drbobb> s/witj/with/
[23:05] <lordofthepigs> using 'program &' doesn't work, because when konsole is closed the process dies
[23:05] <jimmy51_home> hello.  i have an HP scanjet 3970.  I'm running Kubuntu 8.10.  What app do i use to scan photos and output jpegs?
[23:06] <userdz> ok, sorry, yeah, i would like that you help me to install skype on my PC
[23:06] <seriai> hhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[23:06] <SlimeyPete> lordofthepigs: use a program called 'screen'
[23:06] <SlimeyPete> http://www.gnu.org/software/screen/
[23:06] <SlimeyPete> it's in adept/synaptic/apt-get
[23:06] <tsimpson> drbobb: do you have the information panel open?
[23:07] <lordofthepigs> I just thought that I could use krunner instead...
[23:07] <drbobb> tsimpson: uhhh no i don't
[23:07] <userdz> someone can help me please
[23:07] <jimmy51_home> in digikam i get "no KDE-scan service available"
[23:07] <seriai> yes nazim you  want to play with me hhhhhhhhhhhh
[23:08] <userdz> don't tell me like this ANABA
[23:08] <seriai> whay
[23:08] <darkenergy> jimmy51_home: is "kooka" present?
[23:08] <lordofthepigs> yay, Krunner does that fine :-)
[23:09] <jimmy51_home> darkenergy: apt-cache policy kooka shows nothing installed
[23:09] <jimmy51_home> should i install it?
[23:09] <userdz> Anaba comme to #ubuntu-fr
[23:09] <darkenergy> jimmy51_home: i use kooka in 8.04
[23:10] <tsimpson> drbobb: looks like that's a bug in dolphin,
[23:10] <jimmy51_home> darkenergy: it says it's not available or reference by another package or is obsolete
[23:10] <seriai> nazim ,we will not able to travel like this ,so if  you want we can try to install skype in  your machine
[23:10] <seriai> son firste step
[23:10] <darkenergy> jimmy51_home: there must be a replacement
[23:10] <seriai> go to windowsos
[23:11] <seriai> windows os
[23:11] <drbobb> tsimpson: i was sort of expecting an embedded preview, the way it used to work in konqueror
[23:11] <tsimpson> drbobb: that's what the information tab is for
[23:11] <darkenergy> jimmy51_home: skanlite?
[23:11] <tsimpson> erm, panel, not tab
[23:12] <drbobb> tsimpson: in that case, i suppose selecting preview this should pop up the info panel
[23:12] <drbobb> rather than do nothing
[23:12] <tsimpson> drbobb: it's actually trying to get it to preview in plasma
[23:13] <tsimpson> drbobb: it needs the Previewer widget enabled
[23:14] <tsimpson> it *should* tell the user it failed because of that or fall back to showing the information panel, but it does neither
[23:14] <drbobb> tsimpson: uhhh wouldn't have guessed that anytime soon if you hadn't told me
[23:15] <tsimpson> drbobb: I wouldn't have guessed either, I read the output from dolphin on the command line
[23:15] <tsimpson> and, fortunately, I know enough about dbus to search for things
[23:16] <jimmy51_home> darkenergy: installed skanlite, but it starts to run (i see skanlite in the taskbar) and it disappears.
[23:16] <tsimpson> drbobb: please file a bug against dolphin at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+filebug
[23:17] <darkenergy> jimmy51_home: run it in konsole and see if there are any error messages
[23:17] <jimmy51_home> "no KDE-scan service available"
[23:17] <jimmy51_home> KCrash: Application 'skanlite' crashing...
[23:17] <jimmy51_home> sock_file=/home/aslanteigne/.kde/socket-screamer/kdeinit4__0
[23:18] <jimmy51_home> sorry
[23:18] <jimmy51_home> i didn't think it would split into 3 lines
[23:18] <darkenergy> jimmy51_home: http://www.sane-project.org/cgi-bin/driver.pl
[23:19] <darkenergy> check if your scanner is supported
[23:19] <Ciros> okay, how can I find out what is causing a  SIGSEGV segmentation fault on a air app >.>
[23:20] <jimmy51_home> darkenergy: it says it's supported "Good"
[23:21] <jimmy51_home> hmm
[23:21] <jimmy51_home> all three scanning apps i've tried died with seg faults
[23:21] <jimmy51_home> it's making me think whatever the backend to scanning is isn't working.
[23:23] <darkenergy> if a different application crashed the scanner  might become inaccessible
[23:23] <jimmy51_home> how can i restart the scanning "service"?
[23:23] <darkenergy> i dunno, reboot? anyone know a better way?
[23:24] <darkenergy> reboot and avoid the 1st app
[23:24] <davidjheinrich_> does anyone ere know where official xrandr documentation is? Where the randr webpage is?
[23:24] <davidjheinrich_> where can I submit complaints and bug-reports?
[23:24] <davidjheinrich_> randr sucks for me
[23:24] <jimmy51_home> ok
[23:24] <jimmy51_home> i'll try that!
[23:32] <adasz> who have time?
[23:32] <adasz> have a question
[23:32] <noren_> wat
[23:32] <noren_> !ask
[23:33] <adasz> how to mark all items in the packege manager
[23:38] <adasz> how to mark all items in the packege manager ?
[23:38] <adasz> is here somebody?
[23:39] <darkenergy> what package manager?
[23:40] <chris__> adasz: this will be sooo much software ! :)
[23:40] <genii> adasz: If you plan to install everything listed in the package manager, we are talking you need about 80-100Gb free.
[23:40] <adasz> adept i want to install all the games automatic
[23:41] <darkenergy> try the keyboard shortcut ctrl-A to select all listed packages
[23:41] <darkenergy> right-click and "request install"
[23:41] <adasz> don't work
[23:42] <darkenergy> click something on the list first
[23:43] <noren_> adasz: just search games and install the related pack
[23:43] <eraserhead> hi, firefox and konqueror don't have sound
[23:43] <adasz> noren: but i want to install all at once
[23:44] <adasz> darkenengry: i dont work when i rightclick it do the same if leftclick
[23:45] <noren_> adasz: wat do u mean by all the games, u can install the game packages
[23:46] <noren_> !game
[23:46] <darkenergy> !games
[23:47] <adasz> noren: i want to mark up all the games in the package manager ( ADEPT ) so that i dont must mark up all one for one
[23:47] <liar> he wants to install all available games at once
[23:48] <ubuntu> test