[08:13] <karni> Good morning!
[08:31] <JamesTait> Fantabulous Friday, everyone!
[08:36] <mandel> JamesTait, buenos dias!
[08:36] <JamesTait> Hola mandel, buenos dias! :)
[08:38] <mandel> JamesTait, finally frinday :)
[08:39] <JamesTait> mandel: I was thinking "Wow, is it Friday already?"
[08:39] <mandel> JamesTait, oh, I'm more of finally friday, I need to rest. I've been playing to much rugby lately and everything hurts :P
[08:40] <JamesTait> mandel: Ah, that physical exercise thing.  I'm getting old, playing with kids that are 10 years younger than you are is not a good idea
[08:41] <mandel> specially in a sport like rugby :P
[08:42] <JamesTait> mandel: I gave up playing hockey because it was getting to the point where I was still aching on the Wednesday.  Not as much fun, that.
[08:44] <mandel> JamesTait, yeah, the body does not recover as good as it used to hehe
[08:44] <JamesTait> mandel: A few weeks ago I played cricket (albeit a very relaxed, informal game) for the first time in roughyl 20 years.  That hurt a lot more than I was expecting.
[08:45] <mandel> hahaha
[08:45] <mandel> JamesTait, and our time of work does not help with or physical estatima :P
[08:51] <JamesTait> mandel: Overall, I've tended towards pursuits that pay me the biggest dividends - my job, which pays my salary and keeps a roof over my family's heads and food on their table, and stomping around the countryside and in parks with the kids. That's enough of an effort right there - anything else just takes too long to recover from. :)
[08:52] <mandel> JamesTait, well you are a family man, mine are more running around hehe
[08:52] <JamesTait> mandel: Indeed - we're both being run ragged by young whippersnappers though! :-P
[08:53] <mandel> JamesTait, hahahaha
[10:06] <gatox> hi!
[10:17] <mandel> gatox, morning!
[10:17] <mandel> gatox, so, what did I do to you today? you added setUp and tearDown to every test, right?
[10:17]  * mandel lols
[10:28] <gatox> mandel, jeejjjejeej i will hit you
[10:28] <gatox> mandel, i'm finishing with that....... the right fix.... not in every test
[10:32] <mandel> gatox, but? I did not say every test, did I?
[10:32] <gatox> that's what i understand when i asked you about the test without anything :P
[10:33] <gatox> mandel, but maybe i asked you wron
[10:33] <gatox> worng
[10:34] <mandel> gatox, nah, we speak the same lang and we don't understand each other hehehe
[10:34] <mandel> gatox, I hope it was not too much work
[10:34] <gatox> mandel, it happens in person too.....
[10:34] <gatox> mandel, no.... only about 2000 lines of code jejejejeje
[10:36] <mandel> gatox, but that with ninja is nothing, it has a buffer for the copy paste!
[10:36]  * mandel is evil
[10:36] <gatox> mandel, jeejejejee true true
[10:37] <gatox> mandel, and a find in files, so i don't need to use grep :P
[10:37] <mandel> gatox, yes, that is probably less typing :)
[10:42] <gatox> mandel, ok, i finish with that.... now i'm going to finish with the installer...... can you review the branch of sso?
[10:43] <mandel> gatox, sure, shoot the MP link :)
[10:44] <gatox> mandel, wait a sec, launchpad is rescaning
[10:45] <mandel> gatox, that is what she said
[10:45] <mandel> hahahahhahaha
[10:45] <mandel> I love fridays :)
[10:47] <gatox> jejejejjejejee
[10:47] <gatox> mandel, https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-sso-client/tests-broken/+merge/80596
[10:47] <gatox> mandel, ohhhhhhhh right!!! its friday!!!!! :D
[10:47] <gatox> mandel, the good news...... is that doing this, i have an excelent idea for a feature for ninja...... but it's going to be implemeented after 2.0 .P
[10:47] <gatox> :P
[10:49] <gatox> mandel, question
[10:49] <gatox> mandel, the TestCase in ubuntuone.devtools.testcase extends from twisted TestCase?
[10:50] <mandel> gatox, AFAIK yes
[10:50] <gatox> mandel, yes, i thing that..... i wanted to be sure
[10:50] <gatox> think so
[10:50] <gatox> jjeje thing that
[10:57] <mandel> gatox, +1
[10:57] <gatox> great!
[10:57] <mandel> gatox, most boring branch EVER
[10:58] <gatox> mandel, totally! and doing it twice even more!
[10:58] <gatox> eejejeje
[10:58] <gatox> now i need to find nessita to approve it
[10:59] <mandel> gatox, that is going to be hard..
[10:59] <mandel> they all have UDS etc..
[10:59] <gatox> TWSS
[10:59] <gatox> :P
[11:06] <gatox> mandel, please review: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-windows-installer/fix-tests/+merge/80658
[11:07] <mandel> gatox, on it, but I'm first going to walk the dog :)
[11:07] <gatox> mandel, and because you are so kind, review this one too please: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-sso-client/page-successful/+merge/79856
[11:07] <gatox> jejeje ok, after the dog
[11:08] <mandel> that is what she said..
[11:08] <mandel> I'm on a roll hehehe
[11:08] <gatox> jjejejeje
[12:09]  * mandel back
[12:09] <mandel> gatox, looking at your branch in a min
[12:09] <gatox> nice
[12:23] <mandel> gatox, +1
[12:25] <gatox> mandel, on fire! jejje
[12:25] <gatox> good
[12:29] <mandel> gatox, I'm off to lunch
[12:29] <gatox> mandel, acck
[12:30]  * mandel lunch
[13:00] <alecu> hello Ubuntu One people!
[13:00] <dobey> eh
[13:00] <dobey> hi
[13:02] <alecu> dobey, I've been taking a look at the proxy support in the gio sockets
[13:02] <alecu> dobey, it's very basic in comparison with qnetwork
[13:02] <alecu> dobey, that is, we would be responsible for implementing the proxy protocols and the proxy auth
[13:04] <alecu> dobey, the other thing is that I was unable to find a compiled glib 3 for windows.
[13:04] <gatox> AlanBell, uh
[13:04] <gatox> hi
[13:04] <gatox> alecu, hi
[13:04] <alecu> :-)
[13:05] <gatox> alecu, can you re-review a branch?
[13:05] <alecu> gatox, sure
[13:05] <gatox> alecu, actually 2 branches :P
[13:05] <gatox> https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-sso-client/network-detect/+merge/77048
[13:05] <gatox> https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-windows-installer/network-detect/+merge/77049
[13:05] <gatox> alecu, and thanks!! :D
[13:06] <alecu> gatox, no problem!!!!
[13:08] <dobey> alecu: glib 3 doesn't exist. would be 2.30
[13:08] <alecu> dobey, oh, that explains it :-)
[13:09] <dobey> alecu: how do we ship qt btw? just shove pre-compiled bits in our bundle .exe?
[13:10] <alecu> dobey, yes. We use py2exe (or pyinstaller, don't recall) to get the .dll's and .py's that our code depends on.
[13:11] <alecu> dobey, so, I see that the last version for windows is 2.28.1: http://www.gtk.org/download/win32.php
[13:11] <alecu> *latest
[13:12] <alecu> dobey, can that version be used thru GObject introspection?
[13:13] <dobey> alecu: yes, though some things are different.
[13:14] <dobey> alecu: and i don't know if GSocket is actually bound in introspection
[13:15] <alecu> dobey, I was able to use it thru introspection in Oneiric
[13:16] <dobey> alecu: ok. i don't know if it's bound in 2.28 :)
[13:18] <dobey> alecu: appears it is introspected in 2.28.6 at least
[13:18] <dobey> so likely also in .1
[13:22] <alecu> cool
[13:30] <mandel> alecu, gatox, dobey do you guys want to do a stand up?
[13:30] <dobey> i don't want to do a standup when we normally do standups
[13:30] <dobey> and after today, i won't be doing one for 2 weeks :)
[13:31] <m_conley> rodrigo_: ping
[13:31] <mandel> dobey, I dont care :P
[13:31] <mandel> dobey, I swing both.. no I wont say that, but you know what I mean :)
[13:31] <dobey> heh
[13:31] <dobey> #twss
[13:34] <gatox> mandel, np for me
[13:34] <gatox> me?
[13:35] <mandel> gatox, well, so far dobey does not want to, alecu is probably hiding and me.. is a meh, so as you guys wish :P
[13:35] <gatox> ejej
[13:36] <alecu> me
[13:36] <dobey> heh
[13:36] <mandel> ok, then me
[13:36] <gatox> DONE:
[13:36] <gatox> Fix SSO and Installer branches for the broken tests. Update my branches with the last comments.
[13:36] <gatox> TODO:
[13:36] <gatox> Keep suffering with unicode issues.
[13:36] <gatox> BLOCKED:
[13:36] <gatox> No
[13:36] <gatox> alecu, go
[13:38] <alecu> DONE: researched glib proxy support. Forced SD to cross an NTLM proxy thru a *toy* pyqt tunnel.
[13:38] <alecu> TODO: try making a similar tunnel with glib, evaluate both choices
[13:38] <alecu> BLOCKED: no
[13:39] <mandel> DONE: Talks with pykeyring upstream. Fixed code in MP and merged code to follow reviews.
[13:39] <mandel> TODO: more work with upstream pykeyring. Do some work for freaky friday.
[13:39] <mandel> BLOCKED: no
[13:39] <mandel> dobey, if you want to :)
[13:41] <dobey> meh
[13:41] <dobey> λ DONE: tracked down banshee race, bug #882732
[13:41] <dobey> λ TODO: tarmac puppet conf updates
[13:41] <dobey> λ BLCK: No.
[13:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 882732 in banshee (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Race Condition setting active source at startup (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/882732
[13:41] <mandel> ok, we have behave like good kids with the parents out :P
[13:41] <gatox> :P
[13:44] <dobey> and now, back to sleep.
[13:47] <mandel> gatox, alecu can you guys try to do this: import setuptools.package_index
[13:47] <gatox> mandel, linux win?
[13:48] <mandel> gatox, linux please
[13:48] <gatox> mandel, working in linux
[13:48] <mandel> gatox, I have an issue wth the zope.bootstrap
[13:48] <mandel> gatox, so is my system :(
[13:52]  * mandel hates most of zope
[13:57] <rodrigo_> m_conley, pong
[13:58] <m_conley> rodrigo_: hey - I was wondering if you knew what bug 841566 might be all about?
[13:58] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 841566 in thunderbird (Ubuntu) "Can not open Ubuntu One address book: "book backend is opening" (affects: 9) (heat: 49)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/841566
[13:58] <rodrigo_> m_conley, looking
[13:59] <rodrigo_> m_conley, there was a similar bug that was due to couchdb-glib not being able to connect to desktopcouch, so I guess it's that
[14:00] <m_conley> rodrigo_: bug #?
[14:00] <rodrigo_> m_conley, does it work on evolution? and if not, can you start /usr/lib/desktopcouch/desktopcouch-service on the command line and see if it shows any error/warning?
[14:00] <rodrigo_> m_conley, don't remember, it got closed AFAIK
[14:00] <m_conley> rodrigo_: unable to reproduce over here
[14:00] <rodrigo_> oh ok
[14:00] <m_conley> rodrigo_: I was just CC'd on the bug, and I'm trying to determine if it's something wrong with my EDS Contacts add-on
[14:01] <rodrigo_> m_conley, I'll add some debugging info to the bug, so that the user can let us know
[14:01] <m_conley> rodrigo_: there's no EBookClient closing mechanism I'm missing, is there?  I couldn't find one in the Evo source / documentation...
[14:01] <rodrigo_> m_conley, no, you just _unref it, afaik
[14:01] <m_conley> rodrigo_: right, that's what I figured.
[14:04] <rodrigo_> m_conley, ok, see my last comment in the bug
[14:04] <dobey> mandel: the "book backend is opening" bug is e-d-s breaking things; bug couchdb-glib should be fixed in that respect already
[14:04] <m_conley> rodrigo_: great, thank you!
[14:05] <rodrigo_> dobey, yes, but I assume this bug is with final oneiric, which should have that fixed
[14:06] <dobey> rodrigo_: the DesktopCouch auth error or whatever it was, is definitely happening with oneiric final
[14:07] <rodrigo_> dobey, that's what I was supposing, which is quite bad :(
[14:07] <tcole> mandel: is everything happy with txcheck now?
[14:07] <dobey> yes. but apparently desktopcouch works fine, just not via e-d-s, for those people
[14:10] <rodrigo_> dobey, right, so that's another bug I've seen myself, dc not writing the tokens to the keyring
[14:11] <rodrigo_> that, and dc not running, are the only 2 reasons couchdb-glib fails to connect to dc
[14:11] <dobey> rodrigo_: i wonder if it's actually gnome-keyring breaking
[14:11] <rodrigo_> or that, yes
[14:11] <dobey> rodrigo_: what locale are you using?
[14:11] <dobey> es_ES?
[14:11] <mandel> tcole, yes, most of it is ready to land :)
[14:12] <rodrigo_> m_conley, ping me when you get an answer on the bug, I'm leaving to Orlando (via 2 cities in the middle) so might not pay too much attention to mail
[14:12] <rodrigo_> dobey, British English :)
[14:12] <mandel> dobey, what?
[14:12] <m_conley> rodrigo_: alrighty, will do, thanks
[14:12] <dobey> rodrigo_: hrmm. ok, so that kills that theory then :-/
[14:12] <dobey> mandel: what what?
[14:12] <rodrigo_> that it fails on some locales only?
[14:12] <mandel> dobey: mandel: the "book backend is opening" bug is e-d-s breaking things; bug couchdb-glib should be fixed in that respect already
[14:13] <mandel> dobey, I have no idea of what you are talking about :P
[14:13] <rodrigo_> I think dobey confused mandel and I
[14:13] <dobey> mandel: oh. stupid tab complete. that was supposed to be m_conley
[14:13] <rodrigo_> which is really bad indeed :D
[14:13] <rodrigo_> ah, better :)
[14:13]  * m_conley perks up
[14:14] <tcole> mandel: what's the part that's not ready to land? can I help with reviews?
[14:14] <m_conley> dobey: which message was for me?
[14:14] <dobey> rodrigo_: no, i can distinguish you too, because you always end sentences with "no?" and mandel always makes the "pbbbt" noise that mallorcans do :)
[14:14] <duanedesign>  on windows how does one fix the error 'ubuntuone.platform.windows.ipc.NoAccessToken: got empty credentials.'? Do they need to remove and add their computer again?
[14:14] <m_conley> dobey: n/m - found it
[14:14] <rodrigo_> dobey, those are the only 2 thing we share :)
[14:15] <dobey> heh
[14:16] <dobey> rodrigo_: plus, i've known you for how long? :P
[14:16] <rodrigo_> dobey, too long, we're getting old :D
[14:16] <dobey> like 12 years maybe?
[14:16] <dobey> yeah
[14:16] <rodrigo_> hmm, since 2001 when I joined ximian, if not before
[14:16] <mandel> tcole, no, we are fine, nessita is doing the reviews, we are back in happy land :)
[14:17] <nessita> hi mandel!
[14:17] <mandel> duanedesign, which version :)
[14:17] <nessita> mandel: need a review?
[14:17] <mandel> nessita, hola!
[14:17] <nessita> gatox: you too?
[14:17] <dobey> rodrigo_: yeah, before at least in #gnome for sure.
[14:17] <rodrigo_> yeah
[14:17] <gatox> nessita, me too?
[14:18] <duanedesign> mandel: Starting Ubuntu One client version 0.1
[14:18] <dobey> ah; gnome 0.13. *those* were the good old days
[14:18] <nessita> gatox: you need reviews?
[14:18] <mandel> nessita, I need a re-review for the following: https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-control-panel/auto-update-functions/+merge/80237 and https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-control-panel/fix-tests/+merge/80587
[14:18] <gatox> nessita, ah yes! i sent you an e-mail with all my branches
[14:18] <nessita> gatox: ah! email! /me opens thunderbird
[14:18] <mandel> duanedesign, you mean the very very old beta?
[14:18] <nessita> mandel: I'll do during the day
[14:18] <mandel> nessita, cool thx :)
[14:19] <mandel> dobey, and I'm better looking than rodrigo_ :P
[14:19] <dobey> hi nessita
[14:19] <mandel> at least younger
[14:19] <dobey> lol
[14:19] <rodrigo_> you are younger, but you look older :)
[14:19] <mandel> true true
[14:19] <dobey> i remember this conversation in brussels
[14:19] <mandel> hahaha
[14:19] <nessita> dobey: hi there!
[14:19] <rodrigo_> mandel, heh, see, already missing you for having someone to make fun of
[14:20] <rodrigo_> not sure what I would do in orlando :(
[14:20] <dobey> in the car to go get beer and fried food
[14:20] <duanedesign> mandel: i do not know. That is what i see in the logs
[14:20] <mandel> rodrigo_, I remember a bar we went too last time ;)
[14:20] <dobey> rodrigo_: there will be plenty of people to make fun of in orlando ;)
[14:20] <mandel> duanedesign, hm.. and the windows version, you have no clue, right?
[14:20] <dobey> mandel: hooters?
[14:20] <rodrigo_> mandel, which bar?
[14:20] <rodrigo_> dobey, but none like mandel :D
[14:21] <dobey> rodrigo_: true. it won't be the same without him :P
[14:21] <mandel> dobey, rodrigo_ the one with dancing bars and no women.. remember?
[14:21] <duanedesign> mandel: Win7x64, he says 'Trying to sign in first time, getting red text "ascii" and nothing more.'
[14:21] <dobey> mandel: the white/blue cold frozen underground place?
[14:21] <rodrigo_> mandel, heh
[14:21] <mandel> duanedesign, tell hime to go to the Credentials Manager and remove the creds for ubuntuone and try to use it again
[14:22] <dobey> mandel: i don't think i went to whichever one you're talking about :)
[14:22] <mandel> dobey, nah, I think is was just the latin lot.. there is a pathetic picture in that bar with all of us sitting looking and the empty dacer place hehe
[14:23] <dobey> lol
[14:23] <dobey> sigh; i have to yell at amazon again today it seems :(
[14:26] <mandel> dobey, What kind of doctor can fix a broken website?
[14:26] <dobey> …
[14:26] <mandel> dobey, an URLologist..
[14:26] <mandel> hehehe
[14:29] <nessita> duanedesign: he may be unicode issues, gatox is working on that
[14:29] <nessita> gatox: would you confirm if the issue that duanedesign is getting is the same you're fixing?
[14:29] <duanedesign> thank you
[14:30] <nessita> ok, gotta change rooms, brb
[14:31] <gatox> duanedesign, hi, which issue do i have to look?
[14:32] <duanedesign> hi gatox. he says 'Trying to sign in first time, getting red text "ascii" and nothing more.'
[14:33] <gatox> duanedesign, mmmm a screenshot would be helpfull.... i'm working on some issues related to unicode when the u1-control-panel is started, it might be something about that.... but i would need a screenshot or something to be sure
[14:36] <gatox> duanedesign, can you give me the bug number (if there is any) or give me a screenshot or something more?
[14:37] <duanedesign> gatox: no. it is a ticket in RT
[14:37] <duanedesign> thank you though
[15:13] <scarleo> Hi, my UbuntuOne is acting up. It's trying to sync a folder that I have removed the sync on locally and deleted on the UbuntuOne cloud. Still whenever I connect UbuntuOne file syncing it tells me it's uploading the files and never seems to finish.
[15:13] <scarleo> Any tips on how to "reset" what folders should be synced
[15:18] <scarleo> u1sdtool --status returns: State: QUEUE_MANAGER is_connected: True is_error: False is_online: True queues: WORKING . Still it has been trying to sync for hours without success
[15:18] <mandel> scarleo, I think duanedesign is the person that can give you a hadn
[15:18] <mandel> scarleo, I'm about to go, sorry :(
[15:19] <scarleo> mandel: Ok, thanks
[15:23] <mandel> rye, ^
[15:23] <rye> looking
[15:23] <mandel> scarleo, maybe he can give you a hand :)
[15:24] <scarleo> mandel: rye thanks :)
[15:25] <rye> scarleo, do you mean that the file within the directory which is no longer subscribed (e.g. in control panel) is still being uploaded?
[15:26] <scarleo> rye: I can't see any signs that it is actually being uploaded except UbuntuOne tells me it's syncing it. It's not in my cloud folders any more
[15:27] <scarleo> rye: I tried now to again to reenable the sync on the folder, hopefully it will succeed in syncing it and maybe I can then remove it again
[15:27] <rye> scarleo, ok, quick test - could you please run the following in the terminal - u1sdtool --current-transfers ?
[15:27] <rye> scarleo, there is a small chance it is showing the wrong filename
[15:27] <rye> alecu, by the way, was the reason for showing incorrect filename during upload found?
[15:28] <scarleo> rye: http://pastie.org/2773692
[15:29] <rye> scarleo, is any of these docs residing in the unsubscribed folders?
[15:30] <scarleo> rye: yes they are all in my local folder, not in the U1 cloud
[15:31] <rye> scarleo, is Documents or Documents/Skola unsubscribed? u1sdtool --list-folders
[15:32] <nessita> mandel, gatox: QT test suite is broken in https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-sso-client/tests-broken/+merge/80596
[15:33] <scarleo> rye: I re-enabled subscription on it again to trying to sync it to satisfy U1, so yes, now it is subscribed. It wasn't before
[15:33] <scarleo> rye: I'll just wait for it to sync now to see if it fixes the problem
[15:33] <gatox> nessita, checkiing...
[15:33] <scarleo> rye: then try to remove it again
[15:34] <mandel> nessita, sorry I forgot to run those.. I always forget
[15:34]  * mandel writes a script to always run both
[15:35] <nessita> mandel: we'll have gatox giving you a QT sticker you can paste it near your station ;-)
[15:36] <scarleo> rye: when I want to stop syncing the folder and remove it from U1 cloud, in what order should I do things? First unsubscribe, then remove from cloud?
[15:36] <scarleo> I might have done it in opposite order :)
[15:38] <duanedesign> scarleo: if you run u1sdtool --delete-folder
[15:38] <rye> scarleo, well, if you delete it from online storage first, then syncdaemon will most likely notice that only upon reconnect
[15:38] <duanedesign> it will remove it from the cloud and remove it from the list of subscribed folders
[15:38] <rye> nessita, does UDF removal from e.g. the web gets sent to the connected clients?
[15:38] <scarleo> duanedesign: ah, ok. Thanks
[15:39] <mandel> nessita, gatox, I always welcome stickers :)
[15:39] <mandel> nessita, grab me some from UDS :)
[15:39] <nessita> rye: let me think for a minute
[15:39] <gatox> :P
[15:39] <gatox> i want a t-shirt!
[15:39] <nessita> gatox: I'll try to get you one... size men M?
[15:39] <nessita> or L?
[15:39] <nessita> (yes, you're not an S ;-))
[15:39] <gatox> nessita, M! :D THANKS!
[15:40] <nessita> rye: yes, it should. In the disk nothing will happen except that event are no longer sent to the server
[15:40] <nessita> rye: and of course, UDF should no longer be in the UDF list
[15:41] <rye> nessita, ok
[15:41] <nessita> rye: have a case of something different?
[15:41] <nessita> rye: notifications from server to client may take a while :-/
[15:41] <mandel> gatox, short M you mean ;)
[15:41] <rye> scarleo, well, in order to return to known state, could you please disconnect ubuntuone-client and start it again? - u1sdtool --quit; u1sdtool --connect
[15:41] <mandel> buahahahaah
[15:42] <nessita> alecu: hey there!
[15:42] <gatox> mandel, jejeje
[15:42] <gatox> mandel, you are really funny..... fdsfkjwrwffe"#$#"!
[15:42] <nessita> alecu: I will not ask for review from you for a month, you have that granted. So, changes re pushed now, you can continue when you can with part III :-D
[15:43] <scarleo> rye: done, now it actually seemed to read something from my disk :) progress
[15:44] <mandel> gatox, I make 14 yearl old jokes :)
[15:44] <gatox> jejeje
[15:46] <nessita> gatox: instead of approving you branch here: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-windows-installer/successful-page/+merge/79857 please change the vote to "Abstain"
[15:46] <gatox> ahhhh ok :P
[15:46] <nessita> :-)
[15:46] <mandel> ok, EOD for me, see you all on Monday!
[15:46] <nessita> mandel: have a great weekend!
[15:47] <mandel> nessita, I added in canonical admin that the 1st is a national holiday in Spain, can you remind ralsina about it?
[15:47] <alecu> nessita, ack on part III! And I may be convinced to do reviews in exchange for XL UDS t-shirts :-)
[15:47] <mandel> nessita, just in case :)
[15:47] <alecu> mandel, enjoy the weekend!
[15:47] <mandel> alecu, thx!
[15:47] <nessita> alecu: I ll certainly try to get one for you
[15:47] <nessita> mandel: yes, I can
[15:48] <mandel> nessita, thx a lot, if he cannot approbe it is not a big problem I just want you guys to know it :)
[15:49] <nessita> mandel: I'll try that he approVes it ;-)
[15:49] <mandel> nessita, thx
[15:49]  * mandel says: malditas b y v, si se pronuncian igual!!!
[15:50] <alecu> nessita, btw: I've got a test qt-tunnel that's making a Syncdaemon running on an Oneiric VM go thru an NTLM authenticated proxy running on windows server
[15:50] <alecu> mandel, too
[15:50] <alecu> https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/+junk/proxy-tunnel-test
[15:50] <nessita> alecu: that sounds good!
[15:50] <alecu> syncdaemon connects to the servers thru my proxy, and it synchronizes stuff
[15:50] <mandel> alecu, hurray \o/
[15:51] <alecu> nessita, it surely does!
[15:51] <alecu> the problem I'm having right now is that it disconnects after a while. Perhaps we need to do the SD keepalives faster
[15:51] <nessita> alecu: speaking of that, I've talk to Chipaca and parrino about this. They both would like to know what proxy are our users using, so despite they agree most of them will not know, they ask us to ask in the bug report to see what kind of reponses we have
[15:51] <alecu> (it reconnects well, but it disconnects after a few minutes again)
[15:52] <nessita> alecu: that is happening for me IRL... so maybe those are our servers?
[15:52] <alecu> nessita, perhaps. It takes a looooong time to connect some times.
[15:52] <Chipaca> nessita: no, I didn't say in the bug report
[15:52] <Chipaca> nessita: I said "not in the bug report" :)
[15:52] <nessita> Chipaca: lies!
[15:52] <nessita> Chipaca: I said the bug report and you say "that may be a good idea"!
[15:53] <nessita> :-)
[15:53] <Chipaca> nessita: alecu: taking a long time to connect is an issue we're having with the servers right now, yes
[15:53] <Chipaca> nessita: I deny everything
[15:53] <nessita> Chipaca: if not the bug report... where would you suggest?
[15:53] <alecu> Chipaca, but after a succesful connection... is it normal for it to be dropped?
[15:53] <Chipaca> alecu: je ne sais pas. check with facundobatista.
[15:53] <nessita> alecu: I know *my* IRL syncdaemon is dropping it very often
[15:55] <nessita> Chipaca: btw, we crashed the ex-juju sprint, where there is a table and plugs, and people doing their own work
[15:56] <nessita> alecu: so, summing up, could you please add a comment in the huge bug report (or where Chipaca says) asking to the users to share their proxy settings, if they know them?
[15:56] <gatox> nessita, are you getting that issues about qt sso in windows?
[15:56] <nessita> gatox: nopes, linux
[15:56] <alecu> nessita, sure. I'll do a google docs poll of proxy settings
[15:56] <nessita> alecu: nice! thanks
[15:56] <Chipaca> nessita: what room?
[15:57] <alecu> ok, I need to do run errands, and have lunch, and stuff
[15:57]  * alecu bbl
[15:57] <nessita> Chipaca: bonaire 7
[16:05] <gatox> nessita, fixed: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-sso-client/tests-broken/+merge/80596
[16:05] <nessita> gatox: ack!
[16:15] <nessita> gatox: in windows-installer/connect-files (this is fresh, since the fix-tests just landed):
[16:15] <nessita> Text conflict in ubuntuone_installer/gui/qt/tests/test_gui.py
[16:15] <nessita> 1 conflicts encountered.
[16:16] <nessita> gatox: let me know when is fixed
[16:16] <gatox> nessita, on it!!
[16:20] <gatox> nessita, fixed!
[16:21] <nessita> gatox: I get an error on windows for https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-sso-client/tests-broken/+merge/80596
[16:21] <nessita> gatox: going back to connect-files now
[16:22] <nessita> gatox: I think you fixed the conflict not in the best way, since now there are test failures on connect-files
[16:22] <nessita> gatox: I'll add those to the MP
[16:23] <gatox> nessita, testing.....
[16:28] <gatox> nessita, can you show me which tests are failing for you.... i have everything up to date, and everything is ok here....
[16:28] <nessita> gatox: yes, I added those to the MP
[16:29] <nessita> gatox: you mean for connect-files, no?
[16:29]  * gatox checking....
[16:29] <gatox> yes
[16:33] <gatox> nessita, done https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-windows-installer/connect-files/+merge/79611
[16:34] <nessita> gatox: ack
[16:36] <nessita> gatox: no UDS t-shirt for you (ubuntuone_installer/gui/qt/tests/__init__.py:
[16:36] <nessita>     73:  [E0202, FakeBackend.clear] An attribute inherited from FakeBackend hide this method)
[16:37] <gatox> nessita, what?? but if i remove that method the tests fails because someone is trying to use it....
[16:38] <gatox> nessita, well..... i'll check that, and add the disable if necessary
[16:39] <nessita> please :-)
[16:39] <nessita> gatox: and run all the tests in all platforms ;-)
[16:40] <gatox> nessita, promise!...... but.... i don't trust in my u1lint  :P
[16:40] <gatox> nessita, i found the problem..... :P
[16:42] <nessita> gatox: I don't trust your u1lint either! :-P
[16:46] <gatox> nessita, ok! i'm pretty sure that NOW everything is ok
[16:46] <gatox> with connect-files
[16:46] <nessita> gatox: hehehe
[16:48]  * gatox prays that everything is ok
[16:54] <duanedesign> gatox: i got that screenshot = http://img.leprosorium.com/1273878
[16:55]  * gatox looking...
[16:55] <nessita> gatox: what is this for "self._called = self" inside FakeBackend?
[16:56] <gatox> nessita, because we are patching backend, and other tests.... is using backend._called.clear()
[16:56] <nessita> gatox: why aren't you using that backend, then? :-)
[16:56] <nessita> gatox: the backend that other tests are using
[16:57] <gatox> nessita, i mean, in other tests that function is being executed, but as part of the main code
[16:58] <nessita> gatox: not sure what you mean
[16:59] <gatox> nessita, we needed to patch the backend in MainWindowTestCase too..... and some function of the u1 code..... not the tests, need the backend to have _called.clear()... so i needed to add that to the fake
[17:00] <nessita> gatox: so, we should have a single FakedBackend, and patch only once in the base testcase, and use that from every test
[17:00] <nessita> gatox: otherwise this is a chanchada :-)
[17:00] <nessita> gatox: you understand what I mean?
[17:01] <gatox> nessita, yes.... now i see that there are several backends....
[17:02] <nessita> gatox: could you please fix that? :-) (can be next week)
[17:02] <nessita> ok, lunchtime!!!
[17:02] <nessita> brb
[17:02] <gatox> nessita, ok... i'll check all that fake backend and integrate into one
[17:02] <gatox> in the cases that are necessary
[17:02] <nessita> gatox: yes, just patch in the basetestcase
[17:02] <gatox> because there are fake backends for specific purposes too
[17:02] <nessita> ok, I'm gone!
[17:03] <gatox> duanedesign, ahhhhh when you mean ascii..... you mean ascii :P
[17:03] <gatox> duanedesign, ok.... i'll try to reproduce this, and create a bug for that.... thanks!
[17:04] <duanedesign> gatox: haha, oh right. I did the same thing. i did not realize he was being literal
[17:04] <duanedesign> :)
[17:10] <duanedesign> gatox: josh just showed me this bug.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-sso-client/+bug/875331
[17:10] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 875331 in ubuntuone-windows-installer (and 1 other project) "SSO Client does not work with non-ascii hostnames (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Invalid]
[17:12] <gatox> duanedesign, yes, the problem seems to be parsing the error message to show that to the user
[17:12] <duanedesign> aha
[17:31] <scarleo> What does Ubuntu One -> Show Ribbons in some folders mean?
[17:32] <scarleo> ah, ok, got it
[17:41] <nessita> gatox: answering to your last comment, there shouldn't be that many "specific" fake backends... at the most one that works and one that fails, but not much more
[17:41] <nessita> gatox: so, if you see there are more than 2, let me know and we can design something
[17:53] <thisfred> ctrl-L /window refresh
[17:54] <jdobrien> thisfred: hi
[17:55] <jdobrien> thisfred: weechat is nice so far
[17:55] <thisfred> jdobrien: yeah works great
[17:55] <jdobrien> now if i could get my TLS issues with bip worked out and my outdated certs :)
[17:55] <webm0nk3y> ahh
[17:57] <webm0nk3y> thisfred: splitv and splith are redonkulous
[17:57] <thisfred> I like em
[17:57] <thisfred> and keybindings are easy to change
[17:57] <webm0nk3y> thisfred: right now I have 3 windows with the same thing
[17:57] <thisfred> <3
[17:58] <thisfred> webm0nk3y: alt-arrow keys change buffers
[17:59] <webm0nk3y> ahh cool
[17:59] <webm0nk3y> very cool
[17:59] <webm0nk3y> alt-a is cool too
[18:02] <webm0nk3y> ok i think i can get used to this
[18:06] <nessita> rye, facundobatista: can I please have a review for the I/O on opened file error? https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntuone-client/run-upload-run/+merge/80702
[18:23] <facundobatista> nessita, yes
[18:45] <nessita> gatox: you still around?
[19:01] <gatox> nessita, tell me
[19:01] <nessita> gatox: is solved now, thanks
[19:24] <scarleo> I copied all my contacts to CouchDB-> Ubuntu One in Evolution but they don't get synced by U1, there's only 35 in the cloud and abt 300 in my address book
[19:24] <scarleo> Is there something I can do to make them sync?
[19:26] <dobey> scarleo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Status
[19:27] <scarleo> dobey: ah, great page, bookmarked, thanks
[19:29] <jderose> dobey: ah, that is handy :-D
[19:30] <Pooky1> hi guys, i try connect import my facebook contacts to ubuntu one, bat it looks like it doesn't work...
[19:33] <dobey> beuno: ^^
[19:38] <dobey> duanedesign: ^^ even. beuno's probably busy at the sprint
[19:41] <duanedesign> hello Pooky1
[19:41] <Pooky1> hi duanedesign
[19:43] <duanedesign> Pooky1: any error messages or
[19:44] <duanedesign> does it say 'facebook contacts syncing' but nothing shows up?
[19:44] <Pooky1> duanedesign: yes
[19:44] <Pooky1> i try it twice
[19:44] <Pooky1> it might be 2 weaks ago, bat it still nothing import
[19:44] <Pooky1> i try disconnect and connect again, bat still the same
[19:46] <duanedesign> hmm. To be hoonest I am not sure.
[19:50] <Pooky1> duaneseign: it's not much importent, i just was trying what ubuntuone can do. Bat another question, when i have contacts in my local thunderbird, will they be sync? by ubuntuone?
[19:51] <duanedesign> Pooky1: try this it will show just the facebook contacts  https://edge.one.ubuntu.com/contacts/?type=facebook
[19:52] <Pooky1> wow, it works :)
[19:53] <duanedesign> i see what is happening now
[19:53] <duanedesign> i think  the contact is only showing on https://one.ubuntu.com/contacts/  if you already had an entry for it
[19:55] <duanedesign> Pooky1: does sound like what miht be happening to you too?
[19:55] <Pooky1> hm, it's not really good solution, so i must create each contact manuly?
[19:55] <duanedesign> might*
[19:55] <duanedesign> Pooky1: i think it is a bug
[19:56] <duanedesign> Pooky1: thanks for finding it for us :)
[19:57] <duanedesign> Pooky1: i will make sure someone looks into it
[19:57] <Pooky1> duanedesign: i thanks for ubuntuone, it's looks have great potential :)
[20:00] <duanedesign> thanks Pooky1
[20:12] <beuno> Pooky1, looking
[20:13] <Pooky1> beuno, what you mean?
[20:14] <beuno> Pooky1, sorry, was reading the scrollback
[20:14] <beuno> Pooky1, try this
[20:14] <beuno> you want all facebook contacts to be created as ubuntu one contacts?
[20:14] <Pooky1> yes
[20:15] <beuno> Pooky1, so, one way we could do this is if you diable the facebook token
[20:15] <beuno> and go through the process again
[20:15] <beuno> at the end of it
[20:16] <beuno> there will be a dialog asking you if you want them created
[20:16] <beuno> but wait for a bit
[20:16] <beuno> Pooky1, try now
[20:17] <Pooky1> ok, so basicly disconnect and reconnect facebook import, right?
[20:18] <beuno> yeap
[20:27] <Pooky1> beuno: nothing
[20:27] <Pooky1> still the same situation
[20:27] <beuno> Pooky1, it stays as "syncing"?
[20:27] <Pooky1> beuno: it finished
[20:27] <Pooky1> in end it write "no duplicate contacts" and nothing else
[20:28] <beuno> Pooky1, the following message wasn't asking you if you wanted to created the contacts?
[20:28] <Pooky1> beuno: nothing like that
[20:29] <beuno> :/
[21:34] <dobey> have a good weekend all
[22:14] <jo-erlend> It is possible to share a folder to a user that do not yet have an u1 account and have it appear when he registers for one?
[23:25] <dobey> jo-erlend: yes
[23:25] <dobey> jo-erlend: you can share to an arbitrary e-mail. if they don't have an account, they will have to create one. upon creation, they can then accept the share
[23:26] <jo-erlend> great. Thanks, dobey :)


[08:04] <dholbach> good morning
[08:06] <vibhav> hi dholbach
[08:07] <dholbach> hi vibhav
[08:11] <ajmitch> hi
[08:22] <plustwo> hi
[08:24] <vibhav> hi plustwo
[08:25] <plustwo> vibhav: o/
[14:26] <Pikkachu> what's the straightforward  way to modify a source package for publishing?
[14:26] <Pikkachu> I just patched the extracted directory directly and built the source package
[14:27] <tumbleweed> that's the straightforward way
[14:27] <Pikkachu> but I wondered if I should rather add the patches themselves to the patch series within debian directory
[14:27] <tumbleweed> yes, you should
[14:27] <Pikkachu> ah then I'm confused
[14:28] <tumbleweed> if the source format is 3.0 (quilt), then it probably already added your patch to the quilt series. Did it?
[14:29] <Pikkachu> yes but it was two or three patches compressed in a single one with no good description...
[14:29] <tumbleweed> right, this is why it's preferable to do it yourself :)
[14:30] <tumbleweed> http://pkg-perl.alioth.debian.org/howto/quilt.html (ignore the bit about integrating with build processes, 3.0 (quilt) does that)
[14:30] <Pikkachu> so would this work? apt-get source pidgin, then all contained patches are applied, then I add my patches to the series, then I apply them manually, then I debuild -S, then I dput $ppa $source_changes?
[14:31] <tumbleweed> yup
[14:31] <Pikkachu> ah nice...
[14:39] <Pikkachu> thanks tumbleweed, now another question...
[14:39] <tumbleweed> yup?
[14:39] <Pikkachu> I have a few patches to pidgin I need to maintain, they slightly change between 2.10.2 and 2.10.0-0ubuntu2 because...
[14:41] <Pikkachu> 2.10.2 applies changes to Windows installer, while ubuntu version does not need that. Also, there's an open upstream but already fixed in ubuntu version, so I need to apply it only in 2.10.2...
[14:42] <Pikkachu> the matter is that I need to manage this patches and I'm using bazaar for that, but I wonder what's a good approach because I'm not satisfied with current one
[14:42] <Pikkachu> current one is...
[14:42] <tumbleweed> there are lots of proposed solutions for that, but nothing really
[14:42] <tumbleweed> *nothing is really there yet
[14:43] <tumbleweed> I just maintain my quilt patches by hand
[14:43] <Pikkachu> ...I keep the patches to 2.10.2 in the repo as .patch files, and I didn't care to put the ubuntu backport in the repo
[14:44] <tumbleweed> right, that's fine then. So what's the issue?
[14:44] <Pikkachu> yeah tumbleweed, I don't like my current approach because a diff between patches is annoying, for example
[14:44] <Pikkachu> and I want to add the ubuntu backport to the repo as well
[14:45] <tumbleweed> sorry, I don't know of anything that'll make that easy. There's going to be manual labor involved one way or another
[14:46] <Pikkachu> because one could grok that the Windows bits are not needed for ubuntu, but not that he should not apply the other patch reported upstream (he would not easily realize it's applied already in ubuntu version)
[14:46] <EvilResistance> tumbleweed is right actually, it'll require a bunch of manual labor
[14:47] <Pikkachu> ah ok tumbleweed, thanks anyway... I tried to imagine a few approaches but all of them with their own quirks...
[14:47] <Pikkachu> *there's an open upstream *bug*
[15:07] <ScottK> jtaylor: Are you going to sync pycxx?
[16:44]  * micahg wonders why didrocks sync'd openclipart when it was doomed to fail
[16:44]  * ScottK votes for 'because he didn't test build it'.
[16:44] <ScottK> Nor, AFAICT ask for an FFe.
[16:45] <didrocks> micahg: Sweetshark told me it's only bug fixing (the changelog seems to suggest so) and that he test built it
[16:47] <micahg> didrocks: ugh :(, well, that's useful information, thanks
[16:48] <micahg> didrocks: FWIW, ajmitch gave me a patch, but I haven't test built it yet, was waiting to finish with something else first
[16:48] <didrocks> micahg: see #ubuntu-desktop
[16:50] <ScottK> Someone might want to file an FFe for python-axiom so I can approve it.
[16:51] <ScottK> barry: ^^^ dh_python2 conversion.
[16:51] <barry> ScottK: i can sponsor
[16:52] <ScottK> barry: Build system change needs an FFe request.  If I'm not the requester, I can approve.
[16:53] <barry> ScottK: who's working on that package?
[16:53] <ScottK> barry: It'd be a sync.
[16:53] <ScottK> No one.
[16:53] <barry> ah, well, then that's easy, right? :)
[16:53] <ScottK> As long as someone other than me asks.
[16:54] <barry> ScottK: okay, i'll file it
[16:59] <barry> ScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-axiom/+bug/960391
[16:59] <barry> ScottK: you'll do the sync after approving that?
[16:59] <ScottK> If you want me to run it for you, I can.
[16:59] <barry> ScottK: that would be great, i'm a bit slammed at the moment
[17:00] <ScottK> Will do
[17:02] <jtaylor> ScottK: pycxx, it would make sense but its main so I can't sync
[17:02] <jtaylor> I'll request a sync later on
[17:02] <ScottK> Oh.  I didn't realize.
[17:02] <ScottK> I'll just do it then.
[17:03] <jtaylor> th
[17:03] <jtaylor> x
[17:03] <jtaylor> btw would you be open to ffe's for py3 scipy and matplotlib?
[17:05] <jtaylor> has not been done in debian yet, but if its possible to get it in precise I would give it a shot
[17:06] <ScottK> barry and jtaylor: done
[17:06] <ScottK> jtaylor: Yes, although I'd prefer to see them in Debian first (or at least reviewed by their maintainer)
[17:08] <barry> ScottK: thanks
[17:09] <ScottK> barry: Thank you.
[17:12] <jtaylor> can you tell apt to prefer a repository over another even if the package version is the same?
[17:13] <micahg> jtaylor: apt pinning
[17:18] <jtaylor> hm can I use that with a simple deb file:/// rule?
[17:18] <jtaylor> no hostname
[17:28] <jtaylor> ok I think I got it to work
[17:55] <Kiall> Is it just me, or does debhelper build the package before applying patches from quilt?
[17:55] <Kiall> (by build, I mean run override_dh_auto_build)
[17:56] <ScottK> It's just you.
[17:56] <arand> Not normally no.
[17:56] <Kiall> Right - that is what I thought
[17:56] <Kiall> I rename a file in override_dh_auto_build + there is a quilt patch for it.. and quilt complains about file not found -_-
[17:57] <ScottK> presumably because it's not renamed yet.
[17:57] <Kiall> Ohh, wait, its failing during the unapply I think
[17:59] <Kiall> Is there somewhere I should hook into to rename the file back before dpkg-genchanges is ran?
[18:02] <arand> Why not do the rename in the patch?
[18:02] <Kiall> Ah, well.. I didnt know you could do that ;)
[18:02] <arand> Otherwise, dh_clean I'm guessing
[18:04] <Kiall> arand, that worked perfectly.. thanks for the tip!
[18:06] <Rhonda> hmmmmm
[18:07] <Rhonda> When I do debuild -S, it doesn't include launchpad bugs from the changelog but Debian bugs …
[18:07] <Rhonda> Granted, I am doing that on my Debian system -- but is there a switch that would make it to pick up the LP: bugs instead of the Debian closes: bugs?
[18:09] <Kiall> Rhonda, I think the LP still is patched into the packages as they are synced in from debian..
[18:09] <Kiall> LP stuff*
[18:10] <Rhonda> I would have hoped that it's a switch to dpkg-genchanges that I could pass on  :/
[18:10] <ScottK> Rhonda: When it's sync'ed they'll get picked up.
[18:11] <Rhonda> ScottK: It won't get picked up because it's an ubuntu upload.
[18:11] <Rhonda> backports, that is
[18:11] <ScottK> Oh, backports bugs can't get automatically closed.
[18:12] <ScottK> They aren't in an LP sense Ubuntu bugs, but against the backports project.
[18:12] <Rhonda> There are so many switches that dpkg-genchanges can use, I am puzzled that this shouldn't be one.
[18:12] <ScottK> (there is a bug about that)
[18:12] <ScottK> Even if you could get the bug into genchanges, LP wouldn't know what to do with it.
[18:12] <Rhonda> ScottK: They can be reached through the same regular ubuntu bug shortcut
[18:13] <Kiall> Rhonda, why would debian include switches etc all the ubuntu stuff?
[18:13] <Kiall> Ubuntu including debian is obvious, but the other way around.. Not so much!
[18:13] <Rhonda> Kiall: Why not?
[18:13] <Kiall> Debian dont (normally) pull packages from Ubuntu?
[18:15] <Rhonda> So?
[18:15] <Rhonda> There are people trying to play nicely with derivatives, and buxy is an ubuntu member, so …
[18:16] <Kiall> Rhonda, I saw an interesting "lineage" graph for Linux distros recently. There was something ridiculous like 100+ derivatives of Debian. Should Debian include and maintain switches for each of those distros?
[18:17] <Kiall> I would say no, and that each distro maintains the code needed for their own systems..
[18:18] <Kiall> http://futurist.se/gldt/wp-content/uploads/11.04/gldt1104.png
[18:39] <jtaylor> :( matplotlib in precise is not py3 compatible yet
[18:56] <ajmitch> micahg: so, I guess an FFe wasn't needed for openclipart? ;)
[18:57] <ajmitch> also that patch you attached needs fixing before someone uploads it
[18:59] <ajmitch> micahg: have commented on #960389
[19:15] <ScottK> ajmitch: Since didrocks sync'ed it, I think the need for an FFe is passed and opening.
[19:27] <micahg> ajmitch: haven't gotten there yet :0
[19:28] <micahg> ajmitch: oh, right, well, idk, was a blind upload :)
[19:30] <ajmitch> heh
[19:32] <micahg> ajmitch: nice other catch on the conflicts line :)
[19:33] <ajmitch> it was my mistake that put it in there
[19:33] <ajmitch> since I initially had a stray } that caused it to fail to build, then took a closer look at what I'd not removed
[19:34] <ajmitch> turns out that starting a build when half-asleep isn't guaranteed to work
[19:34] <Rhonda> Kiall: Please be notified that there are efforts to reduce differences and make it easier for derivates, if you haven't heard about the derivates frontdesk.
[19:36] <Kiall> Rhonda, right that makes sense.. I havent heard of it, but I would imagine that would involve ensuring tools like dpkg-genchanges are able to handle plugins without the need for patches..  Rather than directly supporting $Distro's $Tool
[19:41] <Rhonda> … that's why I assumed a switch
[19:41] <micahg> ScottK: re FFe> there's still public shaming and what not ;)
[19:42] <ajmitch> micahg: I've heard that some people like doing that :)
[19:49] <Laney> Rhonda: there's DEB_VENDOR support
[19:50] <Rhonda> Laney: How do I have to set that to make it pick up LP instead of closes?
[19:51] <Rhonda> Yep, ubuntu has patches for dpkg-dev …
[19:51] <Laney> add a file /etc/dpkg/origins/ubuntu (contents http://paste.debian.net/160443/) and then DEB_VENDOR=Ubuntu when building the source package
[19:52]  * Laney has some shell magic to export this when in the right directory
[20:00]  * tumbleweed doesn't, but should
[20:01] <Laney> stolen from grml zsh iirc
[20:07] <Rhonda> Kiall: See what Laney wrote, I am trying that now :)
[20:07] <Laney> It certainly works; my development machine is running sid :-)
[20:07] <Laney> "syncpackage: Error: Debian version <IP_ADDRESS>-2 has not been picked up by LP yet. Please try again later." is aaaarghghghghg
[20:08] <Rhonda> … and /usr/share/perl5/Dpkg/Vendor/Ubuntu.pm is part of the regular Debian package of libdpkg-perl :)
[20:08] <tumbleweed> Laney: I keep thinking we should set up a service that lets you know when something is syncable
[20:08] <Rhonda> Thanks to tumbleweed for pointing out that file :)
[20:09] <tumbleweed> np. I also do ubuntu-dev on Debian
[20:09] <ajmitch> tumbleweed: how useful would that really be?
[20:09] <Laney> it's like "I know about this package but you still can't have it ha ha ha ha ha"
[20:10] <Rhonda> tumbleweed: some RSS feed?
[20:10] <tumbleweed> ajmitch: my active hours seem to fall between dinstalls in Debian
[20:10] <tumbleweed> I almost always have to wait a day before I can sync
[20:10] <tumbleweed> and so I keep open tabs to remind myself. But those are fallable
[20:10] <ajmitch> that would be frustrating when trying to get a set of packages built together
[20:14] <Rhonda> hah
[20:14] <Rhonda> Launchpad-Bugs-Fixed: 932011
[20:14] <Laney> \o/
[20:14] <tumbleweed> :)
[20:14] <ajmitch> yay
[20:14]  * Rhonda hugs Laney and tumbleweed :)
[20:15]  * Laney looks at ajmitch
[20:15] <Laney> fancy some grunt work?
[20:15] <Laney> :-) (-:
[20:16] <ajmitch> because you know that I *love* mindless work? :)
[20:16] <ajmitch> what have you broken now?
[20:16] <tumbleweed> we reserve it for old-timers
[20:16] <Laney> it's not entirely mindless
[20:17] <ajmitch> tumbleweed: now you make me feel old
[20:17] <Laney> it's "find the OOD haskell binaries and file a bug for their removal"
[20:17] <tumbleweed> why don't they show up in NBS?
[20:18] <Laney> because they aren't nbs
[20:18] <Laney> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/precise_outdate_all.txt
[20:18] <ajmitch> Laney: so you've got everything synced & wonderful now?
[20:19] <Laney> gitit and darcs are broken
[20:19] <Laney> i think everything else is either OOD from that list or pending removal
[20:20]  * ajmitch sees some packages he'd love to remove on that list
[20:20] <ajmitch> fwiw I won't have time to look at it for at least a few hours
[20:23] <Laney> no worries
[20:24] <Laney> gah, darcs put out a new release but they don't say it supports ghc 7.4
[20:24] <Laney> "Versions of GHC from 6.10.x to 7.0.x are supported."
[20:24] <ajmitch> and gitit?
[20:25] <Laney> oh no, off by one on the year
[20:25] <Laney> 14 March 2011
[20:25] <ajmitch> heh
[20:51] <ScottK> jtaylor: No need to version python3-numby since a lower version than that has never existed.
[20:51] <jtaylor> yes, though it shouldn't harm either
[20:52] <ScottK> It does, if only slightly because then dpkg has to go look and evaluate that in it's resolvers.
[20:52] <ScottK> resolver
[20:52] <ScottK> err apt
[20:53] <jtaylor> k, If I get green light to commit it to svn I'll remove them
[20:53] <ScottK> You can always commit to svn if you're a member of the team.
[22:16] <blueyed> tumbleweed: I could need some help with fixing the test(s) for ubuntu-dev-tools. See my comment at https://code.launchpad.net/~blueyed/ubuntu-dev-tools/use-proxy-for-download/+merge/97905/comments/212630
[22:17] <Laney> finally enough haskell packages transitioned to let me dist-upgrade
[22:17] <ajmitch> yay? :)
[22:18] <Laney> definitely
[22:51] <micahg> ScottK: do reverse-suggests matter WRT backports?
[22:52] <ScottK> No.
[22:53] <micahg> ok, thanks
[22:53] <micahg> ah, ok, it's in the blurb, heh


[03:33] <laanan> hello, looking for help.
[03:33] <laanan> I am running lubuntu on an acer aspire one netbook with a 1.7gh processor (neo II)
[03:34] <laanan> oh, lubuntu installed under 20GB with wubi
[03:34] <laanan> I am having problems with crashing
[03:34] <laanan> especially when playing flash videos (e.g. on youtube).
[03:34] <laanan> It also seems to have crashed when pretty much idle (I had a buffered youtube vid and several tabs open)
[03:35] <laanan> by crashing, I mean the netbook just completely shuts off, as if I unplugged it without a battery inside
[03:35] <laanan> this behavior does not happen under win7 (the main OS installed)
[03:36] <laanan> I installed TLP...
[03:36] <laanan> but no change in behavior
[03:36] <laanan> Any help would be greatly appreciated
[04:55] <Kassadin> Hi there...can anyone help me with a slave idea hard drive? it is not recognized by the computer even though it powers on, and running fdisk implies that it has no partition at all (something like no value partition table appears)
[05:55] <laanan-> anyone active?
[09:32] <Antoto> Hello, is it ok to ask questions here?  How would I install the firmware for it? apt-get or is there a gui package manager? or...?
[16:35] <phillw> TimeVirus: have it plugged into ethernet and after installation select Preferences --> Additional Drivers, it will grab the WiFi driver for you.
[16:36] <TimeVirus> great
[16:36] <TimeVirus> thanks
[16:36] <TimeVirus> i'm off to gitter done
[19:05] <Penguination_> nick cbathurs
[20:28] <TimeVirus> hello
[20:29] <holstein> TimeVirus: o/
[20:29] <TimeVirus> I installed Lubuntu to my 500GB HDD and it's not booting from there -- The Bios is set to look at USB first
[20:30] <TimeVirus> external HDD
[20:30] <holstein> TimeVirus: cool.. just address your bios settings then
[20:30] <TimeVirus> BIOS is set to look at USB first already
[20:30] <holstein> TimeVirus: but, "first usb" is not "500gb hdd"
[20:31] <TimeVirus> huh ? lol
[20:31] <holstein> unless is is, in which case, you need to explain
[20:31] <holstein> TimeVirus: regardless, i find machines dont like to boot usb sometimes, and i might use plop to make sure the machine will boot the USB device
[20:31] <TimeVirus> when the boot failed I am now on the installation flash
[20:31] <holstein> you can make a plop iso to boot from cd
[20:32] <TimeVirus> no cd drive
[20:32] <TimeVirus> busted
[20:32] <holstein> TimeVirus: sure.. but, the "installation flash" is a USB.. so, whats the difference?
[20:32] <holstein> TimeVirus: tht difference in the "installation flash usb" and "500gb external USB" will be your problem
[20:32] <TimeVirus> the difference is that it doesnt save updates is VERY limited in size and and and
[20:33] <holstein> TimeVirus: thats not what im saying friend
[20:33] <TimeVirus> ok
[20:33] <holstein> TimeVirus: im saying, the installation USB booted from your bios.. so, why didnt the other USB?
[20:33] <holstein> thats your problem.. whatever that is
[20:33] <TimeVirus> well
[20:33] <holstein> i would start with troubleshooting grub.. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair making sure that grub is actually installed on the drive
[20:33] <TimeVirus> what IS the difference wheather it be a spinning hdd or flash?
[20:34] <TimeVirus> ok grub shoot
[20:34] <holstein> TimeVirus: its no difference to me, but, is it to your machine's bios?
[20:34] <TimeVirus> lol
[20:34] <TimeVirus> o\
[20:34] <holstein> TimeVirus: another "easy" test would be to take the drive to another machine and test
[20:34] <holstein> if it works there, then, the issue is with the machine not booting the hardware.. so, you can stop trying to "fix" it in lubuntu
[20:35] <TimeVirus> would I go to the BIOS maker to post a question about this usb flash boot but not usb hdd boot?
[20:35] <TimeVirus> makes me no sense
[20:36] <holstein> TimeVirus: does the hard drive boot on another machine?
[20:36] <TimeVirus> meh
[20:36] <TimeVirus> didnt try
[20:36] <TimeVirus> makes no sense!
[20:36] <holstein> TimeVirus: it could be the hard drive is bad, or failling. they *all* do
[20:36] <TimeVirus> lol
[20:36] <holstein> TimeVirus: ?
[20:36] <TimeVirus> no way
[20:36] <TimeVirus> bran new wd black
[20:36] <holstein> TimeVirus: yes.. they *all* fail
[20:36] <TimeVirus> brand new wd black
[20:36] <TimeVirus> :P
[20:36] <holstein> TimeVirus: brand new is a great time for them to fail.. its actually more likely
[20:36] <holstein> TimeVirus: you can google search that fact, or ask wd..
[20:37] <holstein> regardless, its plausible..
[20:38] <TimeVirus> well I've been using it as a logical ntfs volume for a while ... but this is my first atempt at using it as a boot divice
[20:38] <TimeVirus> device*
[20:38] <holstein> TimeVirus: im just saying, its not constrictive to assume its not broken, or failing.. since they *all* fail
[20:38] <TimeVirus> I partitioned it to allow lubuntu install and run VMs from it
[20:39] <holstein> TimeVirus: sounds like you did a custom install, then.. i would assume that is the issue, and try grub repair
[20:39] <TimeVirus> ok
[20:41] <TimeVirus> when asked if I wanted to make it a primary partition or? I left it at 'no' -- Linux doesnt need a primary partition -- could that be it?
[20:41] <holstein> TimeVirus: *anything* in your custom partitioning can be broken
[20:41] <holstein> TimeVirus: i would try booting the drive on another machine.. if it doenst boot, then, you can safely assume its something in your build
[20:42] <holstein> TimeVirus: you can then, try the boot repair i linked a while back.. or, you can just remove the lubuntu partitions, and clear out empty space, and let the installer automatically install on the empty space
[20:42] <holstein> by default, grub will be installed on the first hard drive, and not on the USB
[20:42] <holstein> so, i would use the mini iso to make sure i get the operating system and grub exactly where i want
[20:43] <holstein> !mini
[20:43] <TimeVirus> the first drive would be my internal then
[20:43] <holstein> TimeVirus: correct.. so, if you didnt specify, thats where you installed grub.. *not* on the USB drive
[20:43] <TimeVirus> unacceptable --- too small
[20:43] <TimeVirus> Grub isnt on the internal
[20:43] <holstein> TimeVirus: its not about "acceptable".. its about where you are expecting it to be
[20:43] <holstein> TimeVirus: expecting it to be on the USB when you actually installed on the internal drive is the issue..
[20:43] <TimeVirus> lol no
[20:44] <holstein> TimeVirus: yes
[20:44] <TimeVirus> grub isnt on the internal
[20:44] <holstein> TimeVirus: if you followed the defaults, you get grub on the internal
[20:44] <TimeVirus> wanna see?
[20:44] <holstein> TimeVirus: no
[20:44] <TimeVirus> no help here
[20:44] <TimeVirus> thanks anyway
[20:44] <holstein> TimeVirus: if you set that to manually install on the USB, then great.. but, the drigve is *not* booting.. and i think we should explore why that can be
[20:44] <holstein> TimeVirus: an easy way is because the installer installs grub where you are not expecting
[20:45] <TimeVirus> huh?
[20:45] <holstein> but, you can use the boot repair link i gave to double check
[20:45] <holstein> TimeVirus: what do i need to repeat for you?
[20:45] <TimeVirus> k
[20:45] <holstein> TimeVirus: the installer installs on the internal drive.. puts grub there by default
[20:45] <TimeVirus> repeat again that grub is on my internal
[20:45] <holstein> TimeVirus: did you specify a different location?
[20:45] <TimeVirus> lol
[20:46] <TimeVirus> of course i did
[20:46] <holstein> TimeVirus: then, you *cant* boot the extneral USB that is selected by the bios
[20:46] <TimeVirus> gah
[20:46] <holstein> TimeVirus: if grub is on the internal drive, then thats where grub is
[20:46] <TimeVirus> makes no sense
[20:46] <holstein> 16:45 < TimeVirus> repeat again that grub is on my internal
[20:46] <TimeVirus> why would that be?
[20:46] <TimeVirus> why would a flash boot and not hdd
[20:46] <holstein> ^that means that grub is on the internal drive.. which is what i asked, and you stated happened
[20:46] <TimeVirus> usb is usb
[20:46] <holstein> TimeVirus: the flash installer *has* a boot loader
[20:47] <holstein> TimeVirus: the usb hard drive yuo install lubuntu on has grub installed to your internal hard drive
[20:47] <TimeVirus> holstein
[20:47] <holstein> you stated above grub is on the internal drive. so, you set that to boot firt in the bios
[20:47] <holstein> the usb 500gb hard drrive has no boot loader on it
[20:47] <TimeVirus> if grub were where I didnt tell it to go (Internal) then wouldnt the internal boot grub ?
[20:47] <holstein> thats why its not booting
[20:48] <TimeVirus> windows boots as it always has
[20:48] <TimeVirus> let me tell you one last time
[20:48] <holstein> TimeVirus: no need
[20:48] <TimeVirus> GRUB is not on the internal
[20:48] <holstein> 16:45 < TimeVirus> repeat again that grub is on my internal
[20:48] <holstein> ^ thats you saying is *is* on the internal
[20:48] <TimeVirus> you asked
[20:48] <TimeVirus> 'what do I need to repeat'
[20:48] <holstein> TimeVirus: so, i appologize for suggesting you confirm
[20:49] <TimeVirus>  sarcastically i said ...
[20:49] <holstein> 16:45 < TimeVirus> repeat again that grub is on my internal
[20:49] <TimeVirus> you blowhard!
[20:49] <TimeVirus> lol
[20:49] <holstein> TimeVirus: regardless, its easy to use boot repair


[00:01] <rick_h_droid> there we go
[00:02] <rick_h_droid> brousch just no time for irony. too much work to do heh
[00:03] <rick_h_droid> f'ing hate django...  https://github.com/mitechie/feedhq/commit/198702120c51fc2442d4942824dcb9c040fb2c7e
[01:11] <brousch> What are you whining about?
[01:15] <rick_h_droid> django and wsgi as an after thought
[01:16] <rick_h_droid> and just read roo much settings.py hacky crap. just hate django code
[02:07] <snap-l> jcastro: http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/125368/dino-hunt-dice
[04:43] <Blazeix> rick_h_droid: cool, thanks for the angularjs link
[04:46] <greg-g> wow, it must be friday night, last message in my twitter timeline was 2 hours ago
[11:56] <brousch> rick_h_: What martini are you sipping this morning?
[12:04] <rick_h_> brousch: diet dr pepper
[12:04] <brousch> That actually sounds good
[12:04] <rick_h_> hmm, wonder if this snow is going to mess with our zoo trip today
[12:05] <brousch> We might do the butterflies
[12:05] <brousch> Or the circus
[12:05] <rick_h_> we're not a circus family
[12:05] <rick_h_> both the wife and I can't do those
[12:06] <brousch> We went last year. It was OK
[15:47] <snap-l> Morning
[15:47] <snap-l> Off to shovel shit, I mean snow.
[18:25] <snap-l> btw: metal on metalinjection.fm
[18:25] <snap-l> ;)
[18:49] <snap-l> http://thechangelog.com/slowmojs-executes-javascript-in-slow-motion/
[20:38] <snap-l> Afternoon
[22:16] <rick_h_> party
[22:17] <rick_h_> survived the zoo, wasn't that bad actually
[22:17] <rick_h_> kind of cool, saw the grizzly bears play fighting, the polar bears out and about
[23:04] <snap-l> Coolness