[00:10] <redtape-renegade> Dr Who fans    :|  http://hackaday.com/2013/03/16/sonic-screwdriver-meets-tv-b-gone/   this one's for you , np.
[00:10] <mungbean> thought everyone was in bed
[00:20] <redtape-renegade> mungbean, I am, now.
[07:48] <redtape-renegade> popey, Looks like the snows melted in GB http://popey.com/webcam/     |      TheOpenSourcerer, Hi-di-hi
[08:18] <redtape-renegade>  ooh, The miracle survivor is on tonight at 10pm on More 4   I t's  a  m i r a c l e | http://www.channel4.com/programmes/911-the-miracle-survivor
[08:21] <redtape-renegade> Has anybody tried www.liftshare.com/uk/   at all  ?
[08:47] <kvarley> Very useful command: find [path] -printf '%m %p\n'
[08:47] <kvarley> Prints permissions in a numerical format :)
[09:04] <jacobw> Morning
[09:09] <redtape-renegade> kvarley, Hi there, nice chat @ the weekend | I'm wondering if you poss. have a Kodak printer and if you know if the ink is worth it ? | http://www.tigerdirect.com/sectors/category/deal-of-the-day.asp?
[09:09] <directhex> kodak ink is super expensive iirc
[09:09] <directhex> also, poor linux support
[09:10] <redtape-renegade> i.e. will this use cups with ubuntu ?
[09:10] <kvarley> redtape-renegade: I currently have no printers, they've all died. I'm looking to buy 2 printers at the moment.
[09:10] <kvarley> I'm looking for 2 colour inkjet printers that have flawless Linux support and that have separate colour cartridges.
[09:10] <redtape-renegade> Ohh. we have a nice one at the office if you'd like it, to go ?
[09:11] <kvarley> They're not for me :) for other people
[09:11] <redtape-renegade> S0ooo you don't want  it, right ?
[09:11] <kvarley> redtape-renegade: No, ty
[09:17] <redtape-renegade> directhex, I don't why you keep doing-a-downer on everything I say [have you got a narcissistic side or something ??] about saving money !       | If you look at #3 on their website ::: http://www.kodak.co.uk/ek/GB/en/printer-faq.htm?utm_source=www.kodak.co.uk&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=well1-IJupdate_022413&utm_campaign=Corp-Homepage     :; THEY SAY , that they are the cheapest, ink, in the industry ?  Wats your problem, matey ?
[09:21] <directhex> i've worked retail, selling printers to people. Nobody who bought a Kodak came back happy. Perhaps things have changed since then.
[09:24] <popey> my mum has a kodak printer, doesn't work with her 12.04 ubuntu system ☹
[09:28] <SuperMatt> popey: get the drivers into raring then ;)
[09:28] <popey> what drivers ☹
[09:29] <SuperMatt> oh
[09:29] <SuperMatt> darn it
[09:30] <SuperMatt> I really don't think that home printing is cost effective
[09:30] <popey> its fine for black and white on lasers
[09:30] <popey> inkjets suck donkeys
[09:30] <SuperMatt> they do indeed
[09:31] <SuperMatt> there's nothing worse than trying to print to find all the heads are jammed with dried ink
[09:32] <popey> i went to asda to print a photo I had on my iphone recently. You can plug your phone in, download pics and print them
[09:32] <popey> unfortunately I didn't have my iphone cable with me ☹
[09:33] <redtape-renegade> directhex, Give me one e.g. of a Kodak printer you sold ion a retail shop, Plz ?
[09:33] <czajkowski> all the boots places have iphone cables no android :(
[09:33] <redtape-renegade> **in
[09:33] <popey> however the photo booth supports printing directly from facebook!
[09:33] <popey> So standing in the store I uploaded the photo over 3g to my facebook account, and set visibility to only me, then logged into my fb account on the photo machine
[09:33] <popey> (which was worrying)
[09:33] <popey> it showed the picture, printed it, logged out of facebook
[09:33] <popey> worked rather well
[09:34] <czajkowski> handy
[09:34] <redtape-renegade> How much was that photo print-out ?
[09:34] <directhex> redtape-renegade, you want me to tell you a model of printer sold in pc world in 2003?
[09:35] <redtape-renegade> directhex, PC World ? Do you still get discounts ?
[09:35] <directhex> redtape-renegade, no. i worked there one summer as a student.
[09:36] <redtape-renegade> directhex, What was your salary @ PC World ?
[09:36] <Laney> O_O
[09:36] <popey> redtape-renegade: can't remember
[09:37] <popey> pence
[09:37] <redtape-renegade> Who am I talking to here ? | popey or, directhex  ??
[09:38] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :)
[09:38] <directhex> redtape-renegade, sallary is for full-time employees. my wage was somewhere around minimum wage.
[09:38] <popey> well given I just explained that I got a printout, and then you asked how much was the photo printout, I thought that question was aimed at me, other questions aimed at directhex seemed to have his name in
[09:38] <redtape-renegade> directhex, That's only £600.. did you get any perks or freebies ?
[09:40] <redtape-renegade> popey, soz you took a while to get back to me.  ☹ No harm done. | Keep calm, install ubuntu
[09:40] <popey> wat
[09:40] <redtape-renegade> popey, a coupl of pence for a print-out is a steal. well done !
[09:41] <redtape-renegade> **couple of..
[09:42] <redtape-renegade> directhex, I calculate That's only £600.. did you get any perks or freebies at PC World ?
[09:43] <directhex> redtape-renegade, er, some small level of staff discount
[09:44] <directhex> plus commission, occasionally
[09:44] <redtape-renegade> And what did you buy with the discount at PC World ?
[09:45]  * redtape-renegade notes Curry's have devastated in IOMan computer retail park.
[09:46] <directhex> some speakers, iirc?
[09:47] <redtape-renegade> And whatr did you think of the Kodak link I gave you at 09:17 . | Do you think it is correct ?#
[09:47] <redtape-renegade> http://www.kodak.co.uk/ek/GB/en/printer-faq.htm?utm_source=www.kodak.co.uk&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=well1-IJupdate_022413&utm_campaign=Corp-Homepage
[09:51] <directhex> i think i wouldn't buy a kodak. YMMV.
[09:52] <popey> my mum bought a digital camera off amazon recently, some samsung thing.. it refuses to power on, i helped her return it, which was stupidly simple
[09:52] <popey> I do like returning things to amazon
[09:52] <directhex> i don't
[09:52] <directhex> my last return sucked
[09:52] <popey> was it amazon or a marketplace seller tho?
[09:53] <directhex> amazon
[09:53] <popey> erk
[09:54] <nperry>   The last time I sent something back to amazon, I took it to the nearest collect+ place at 1330 and by 1800 they had sent me an email saying the refund was on its way.
[09:54] <directhex> tl;dr: baby food steamer broke within 3 months, manufacturer said return it for a replacement. amazon refunded purchase price instead. except we'd bought it for half price in a sale, so a refund was the worst outcome ever
[09:54] <nperry> I checked and it was still sat the shop.
[09:55] <nperry> The next day the money appeared in my bank account :/
[09:56] <czajkowski> I've found them pretty good when dealing with stuff at xmas from stuff that never arrived to stuff that arrived that was not for me, either I got a refund straight away or was told keep the other stuff.
[09:56] <czajkowski> shall be doing all of next years xmas shopping on there again
[09:57] <redtape-renegade> popey, a marketplace seller ? Like Dragonmarts Co. Ltd. | I guess they sub-contract .. on ebay aswell-as Amazon :  http://goo.gl/9wkCC
[10:02] <nperry> I did pretty much all my shopping on amazon...
[10:03] <nperry> I did have a comment from the postman "You seem to order a lot of things from amazon"
[10:06] <redtape-renegade> nperry, Have you found it hard doing a Wishlist yet on www.amazon.co.uk ?
[10:08] <BigRedS> Amazon wishlists are brilliant
[10:08] <BigRedS> Every time I want something and can't justify buying it I stick it on my wishlist
[10:08] <BigRedS> and then when people want to buy me a present they actually end up getting me something I want
[10:10] <popey> heh, same here
[10:10] <popey> my birthday is coming up, so I just updated my wishlist
[10:10]  * Laney just started reading Shut Up & Sit Down so started a board games wishlist ♥
[10:12] <nperry> To be honest I've never setup a wishlist.. but I do know people how have just had a wishlist as a wedding list.
[10:12] <nperry> *who
[10:13] <nperry> I give up typing.
[10:20] <brobostigon> good morning everyone
[10:20]  * redtape-renegade looks at thecomplaintsboard posted at 09:57am
[10:21] <redtape-renegade> I do like the spell checker ... |   http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/dragonmarts-company-uxcell-c582227.html   | popey, At the bottom:   is that just a javascript  ?
[10:23]  * popey has no idea
[10:23] <nperry> Right click and view page source :\
[10:26] <redtape-renegade> nperry, I'm a code lion !  |  http://www.complaintsboard.com/scripts/jquery.spellchecker.js
[10:28]  * redtape-renegade tells his inner animal to STFudU !
[10:45] <popey> bug 1157114 is grinding my gears
[10:46] <SuperMatt> yowzer
[10:46] <SuperMatt> not pretty
[11:05] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:35] <kvarley> What's a sane price to pay for a SSL certificate?
[11:40] <SuperMatt> I found a place that does them for free...
[11:40] <SuperMatt> http://www.startssl.com/
[11:40] <SuperMatt> those guys
[11:41] <SuperMatt> but if you want it for business, it's worth forking out, I guess
[12:09] <kvarley> When ordering SSL do I order it for www.example.com or example.com ?
[12:10] <jpds> kvarley: *.example.com
[12:10] <kvarley> jpds: I'm not buying wildcard ssl
[12:10] <jpds> kvarley: You should really have Apache/whatever redirect example.com to www.example.com.
[12:11] <kvarley> jpds: Can I redirect the other way round?
[12:11] <jpds> kvarley: That sounds nasty.
[12:11] <kvarley> jpds: Ok, I'll order for www.example.com and then redirect non-www traffic to www
[12:11] <jpds> bbc.co.uk goes to www.bbc.co.uk.
[12:12] <jpds> sis.gov.uk - still doesn't work.
[12:33]  * redtape-renegade realizes the postman has dropped off the www.nisbets.co.uk catalogue to his address instead of the Take-away next door and wonders if there is a reward to give it back ?
[12:34] <redtape-renegade> Nice British company | At least they're 30 years old !
[13:44] <Myrtti> we get Nisbets catalogue because we've ordered from them.
[13:44] <Myrtti> Nice citrus squeezers and frying pans.
[14:01] <kvarley> Probably a stupid question since Apple are so proprietary minded - but can I open iMovie 11 projects on Linux?
[14:33] <xnox> kvarley: probably not, but I bet it's just a folder such that you should be able to browse for the video snippets inside it.
[14:54] <kvarley> xnox: Ah yes, you're right but they're encoded using a weird video format
[14:55] <kvarley> Because Apple like to be difficult in every way imaginable
[15:08] <shauno> it's usually either DV or h264.  one because it was the native capture format for a long time, and the other because it benefits from a lot of hardware acceleration
[15:16] <Laney> some guys have turned up to hack bits off my lovely tree
[15:24] <popey> Laney: have you made them tea?
[15:24] <Laney> no, they didn't come and say hi
[15:24] <popey> outrage
[15:24] <Laney> so they got to watch me eating a poached egg sandwich
[15:24] <popey> I'd pay extra for that.
[15:25] <popey> egg banjo as cied calls them
[15:25] <Laney> oh, it was messy
[15:25] <Laney> yolk... everywhere...
[15:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> lo popey - I haz a new(er) Volvo V70
[15:28] <popey> oooh
[15:28] <popey> how new?
[15:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> £2k
[15:28] <popey> nice!
[15:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> 51 plate
[15:28] <popey> bar-gain
[15:28] <popey> hah, same as mine
[15:28] <popey> petrol or taxi?
[15:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> 2.4 Turbo.
[15:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> Very clean
[15:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> Petrol
[15:28] <popey> how many furlongs?
[15:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> Very similar to my old one. Photos to follow.
[15:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> 132k
[15:28] <popey> similar to mine
[15:29] <popey> is it an SE? leather etc?
[15:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> All Leather, loads of toys :-)
[15:29] <popey> ☺
[15:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> More than my old one
[15:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> Heated seats
[15:29] <popey> ooh, mine doesnt have that
[15:30] <popey> but i always feel like I've shit my pants in a car with heated seats
[15:32] <mungbean> any regular get_iplayer users know how i can download programmes directly as mpeg-4 enclosed in avi?
[15:33] <brobostigon> Mar 19 15:25:40 raspberrypi motion: [1] config image height (232) is not modulo 16
[15:33] <brobostigon> any ideas what that error output from motion means?
[15:33] <brobostigon> mungbean: install ffmpeg.
[15:34] <popey> mungbean: surely you can only download what they put out, which is always h.264 isn't it?
[15:34] <popey> and then convert as brobostigon says with ffmpeg / libav
[15:35] <mungbean> the documentation isn't great for get_ipplayer, but it seems you can ask it to spawn ffmpeg to convert for you , right?
[15:36] <popey> it does by default
[15:36] <popey> to change the container from .flv to .mp4 iirc
[15:36] <popey> not used it for a while
[15:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: See G+ for totally uninteresting pictures
[15:36] <brobostigon> yep. install ffmpeg, and get-iplayer will do it automatically.
[15:37] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: nice ☺
[15:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> Like the fact they're the same colour! New one has cream leather. Old one was black
[15:38] <brobostigon> nice car.
[15:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's a lot of car for £2k brobostigon
[15:38] <brobostigon> TheOpenSourcerer: definatly, yes, :)
[15:39] <popey> I'd be tempted to get another when mine dies
[15:39] <popey> dashboard is dead on mine ☹
[15:39]  * brobostigon continues searching for that error.
[15:39] <mungbean> brobostigon: sorry, bit confused, got any examples?
[15:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> we decided to not make a big decision yet. This should do us for a while until we can finally make up our minds on what we really should do.
[15:39] <popey> wise
[15:40] <brobostigon> mungbean: for example. yesterday i pulled an ep of dr who with get-iplayer, i had ffmpeg installed, so get-iplayer did the conversion an ended up with a *mp4.
[15:40] <mungbean> brobostigon: got the command in your history please?
[15:41] <brobostigon> mungbean: moment.
[15:41] <mungbean> cheers
[15:41] <mungbean> just had a baby and surviving on zero sleep and cannot do any brain work
[15:41] <popey> mungbean: you dont have to explicitly ask it to, if it finds ffmpeg it does it
[15:41] <mungbean> my dvd player accepts .avi files in mpeg-4 format
[15:42] <brobostigon> yep, "get-iplayer --nopurge --get 281"
[15:43] <mungbean> wow, that's it?
[15:43] <brobostigon> yes.
[15:44] <popey> that wont get hd tho
[15:44] <popey> not that you need it with your telly :D
[15:44] <brobostigon> quite, :)
[15:55] <mungbean> ah, i'm coming up against my usual ffmpeg problem
[15:56] <mungbean> This program is only provided for compatibility and will be removed in a future release. Please use avconv instead.
[15:56] <mungbean> Unknown encoder 'libmp3lame'
[15:57] <mungbean> whic halways yields out of date info about whether ubuntu ffmpeg is supporting mp3 or not :(
[15:58] <popey> there's a libavcodec* package
[15:58] <popey> and one called libavcodec*-extras
[15:59] <mungbean> Package libavcodec-extra-52 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[15:59] <mungbean> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[15:59] <mungbean> is only available from another source
[15:59] <mungbean> E: Package 'libavcodec-extra-52' has no installation candidate
[15:59] <popey> what version of ubuntu?
[15:59] <mungbean> 1204
[16:00] <popey> it's -53
[16:00] <popey> http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise-updates/libavcodec-extra-53
[16:01] <mungbean> just realised i was copying an old suggestion :(
[16:01] <mungbean> 53 is working thanks
[16:01] <mungbean> tries again...
[16:02] <mungbean> \o/ thanks
[16:02] <popey> note that it depends on liblame.. which fixes your mp3 issue
[16:02] <mungbean> i had libavcodec53 not extra..
[16:03] <mungbean> and liblame was installed
[16:03] <popey> interesting
[16:03] <mungbean> but ffmpeg seems to be working
[16:03] <popey> well, ffmpeg wouldn't have used it unless you have extra i think
[16:03] <popey> silly encumbered codecs
[16:09] <brobostigon> is there a way, of getting the direct setting, like the camera output res etc, from console. ?
[16:11] <mungbean> maybe gphoto?
[16:12] <popey> oooh http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1337440
[16:12] <popey> hadn't heard of streamer before
[16:12] <popey> looks handy
[16:12] <brobostigon> mungbean: gphoto does no work form terminal, it is a X prog.
[16:12] <brobostigon> from*
[16:13] <mungbean> theres a cli - gphoto2?
[16:13] <brobostigon> hmmm,
[16:17] <mungbean> was looking at it to maybe speed up photo transfer to my machine because for certain cameras it supports getting only new files
[16:17] <mungbean> but it doesn't tell you which cameras
[16:19] <brobostigon> mungbean: does it work with webcams?
[16:19] <brobostigon> mungbean: as it seems to be still cameras only.
[16:20] <mungbean> ah, i saw camera
[16:20] <mungbean> didn't realise webcam
[16:20] <brobostigon> mungbean: yes, i was refferring to the error i was talking about earlier.
[16:29] <redtape-renegade> Just so I know ...
[16:29] <redtape-renegade> whoopsie wrong channel .XD
[16:56] <redtape-renegade> Waaaaaugh , Ive eaten too many cookies, today.
[16:58] <redtape-renegade> dwatkins, pingy
[17:04] <redtape-renegade> RyanAir have bought 175x Boeing 737's for 12 Million .. largest aircraft order in history  .. wonder if they will land in ManxLand, like Easyjet do ?
[17:07] <redtape-renegade> **12 Billion (slight error there) .. nice hostess I **** once.
[17:07] <czajkowski> redtape-renegade: just because you *** out doesnt mean we dont know what you are talking about
[17:08] <czajkowski> mind watching the language there please redtape-renegade
[17:09]  * redtape-renegade mutes himself.  The TA will be next.
[17:10] <shauno> curious fellow
[17:12] <czajkowski> *sigh*
[17:13] <Laney> ¬_¬
[17:18] <Laney> on a lighter note
[17:19]  * Laney considers going to latitude festival this summer
[17:19] <Laney> \o/
[17:41] <mungbean> :( my dvd player still isn't accepting my ffmpeg'd mpeg4 .avi files :(
[17:41] <mungbean> if its gonna be that fussy at playing files they should at least provide documentation
[18:06] <Azelphur> Anyone here happen to have an Alienware M15x?
[18:49] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: apparently not
[18:49] <MartijnVdS> ;)
[18:50] <Azelphur> indeed :(
[18:50] <Azelphur> seems my brother has bricked his
[18:50] <Azelphur> bad bios update, won't turn on at all, no lights, no nothing.
[18:50] <MartijnVdS> ouch
[18:50] <Azelphur> indeed
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> Find the flash chip, attach in-circuit programmer? ;)
[18:52] <Azelphur> haha, beyond me
[20:04]  * awilkins hates launchpad build queue priorities
[20:05] <awilkins> (but only when they affect me personally)
[22:16] <redtape-renegade> More 4 won't play Live in my chromium browser ( I just registered with my gmail) .... Is there anything I need to know about that , to getn it to work ??
[22:16] <redtape-renegade> **that, to get it to work ?
[22:19] <redtape-renegade> ** I've also tried it in FFox to the same result..
[22:24] <redtape-renegade> Oh, It says now that I have insufficient bandwidth speed .. Well that a pound a day for internet down the tubes then .. it's usually over a Megabit a minute.
[22:26] <shauno> I recently discovered I can 'trick' 150mbit out of mine.  it seems like a rather broken behaviour though


[00:50] <pmatulis> wondering why some packages are lingering after `purge` and `autoremove`: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/scpy4Qsq56/plain/ - for example, why don't packages these get removed?: qemu-system-common, qemu-system-data, qemu-utils
[00:54] <sarnold> pmatulis: heh, nice, using the exact same package list
[07:39] <mirespace> good morning
[07:43] <utkarsh2102> mirespace: o/
[07:44] <utkarsh2102> I dropped you a message on ~cpc-standup
[07:44] <utkarsh2102> please do take a look
[07:44] <mirespace> when is deadline for that?
[07:48] <utkarsh2102> mirespace: no rush, really but if you can take a look today, I can upload it tomorrow when I'm back
[07:48] <utkarsh2102> but I told them that we'll have an ETA on Friday
[07:49] <utkarsh2102> so no rushhhhh at all :D
[07:49] <mirespace> Where is the Focal one done?
[08:03] <utkarsh2102> mirespace: it's uploaded
[10:01] <athos> good morning :)
[10:02] <oxtyped> morn!
[15:34] <bryceh> good morning
[18:18] <shubjero> I'm running OpenStack Ussuri on Ubuntu 18.04 and today I upgraded to Ubuntu 20.04. Only version change I noticed was rabbitmq 3.6 to 3.8 and after upgrades/reboots all my openstack services are complaining about rabbitmq/rpc timeouts despite rabbitmq cluster being up/healthy. Any suggestions?
[18:18] <shubjero> We're totally down :(
[19:25] <shubjero> and we're back.. and i have no idea what fixed it
[19:25] <shubjero> but at least i get to keep my job for another day


[19:15] <paultag> hey thafreak around?
[19:18] <thafreak> actually, yes i am for once
[19:18] <thafreak> what's up
[19:20] <paultag> thafreak: I'm going to go to PM so we don't get logged
[20:18] <thafreak> http://imgur.com/gallery/2Kq6Y
[20:21] <Unit193> Good one, but did you look at the two links in the comments? http://imgur.com/a/lx2hl#0
[20:41] <jandrusk> awesome


[11:20] <sirriffsalot>  Okay, so am I thinking correctly? If at 80bpm a file is at 1.00, to get the bpm to 70 I have to set the speed to 0.875?
[12:00] <sakrecoer_> sirriffsalot: i would need to write things down and calculate to answer you, but maybe this can help? http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-bpmtempotime.htm
[12:01] <sirriffsalot> Tried that stuff already, still can't get it right -.-
[12:01] <sirriffsalot> It's alright, I'll have to record it again anyway so
[12:04] <sakrecoer_> i would look for how many percent of 80bpm, 70 bpm is, then apply that percentage to 1 minute...
[12:05] <sirriffsalot> sakrecoer_, please do, already have...
[12:05] <sakrecoer_> sirriffsalot: but generaly i cheat with timestretch against the grid in ardour
[12:06] <sirriffsalot> sakrecoer_, doesn't really make the difference in this case I'm afraid
[12:07] <sakrecoer_> record again is probably the best sollution. it almost always is for me :)
[12:10] <sakrecoer_> sirriffsalot: 70bpm is 87.5% of 80 bpm alright..
[12:10] <sirriffsalot> :P
[12:11] <sirriffsalot> No matter, doing it all over :)
[12:11] <sakrecoer_> best of luck, sirriffsalot
[12:11] <sirriffsalot> Guess that means the recording was so poor to begin with hehe
[12:12]  * cfhowlett looks at the calendar, looks at the Flickr stream, does not Sacrecoer's wallpaper.  Grits teeth ...
[12:14] <sakrecoer_> cfhowlett: hey, utc time right?
[12:14] <cfhowlett> yep.
[12:14] <cfhowlett> midnight on the 10th.
[12:15] <sakrecoer_> oh, please mind your teethe. 35 hours grinding cant be good for you
[12:16] <cfhowlett> :)  Had a couple pretty cool submissions today
[12:16] <sakrecoer_> on the otherhand, cfhowlett, where is that email to the list? :p
[12:16] <cfhowlett> I THINK that's lsbuig?  From Mexico?  AkrionSarash
[12:16] <barney> Hello there, (y) 2 write in German, may I ?
[12:17] <cfhowlett> sakrecoer_, yep, already got the draft and will bounce it out as soon as I shut down new submissions.
[12:17] <cfhowlett> !de | barney
[12:17] <sakrecoer_> i think luisbg is from spain,... but i don't know for sure..
[12:18] <cfhowlett> OK.
[12:19] <barney> ok. well Iĺl try 2 discribe my probs in English !
[12:19] <cfhowlett> barney, please do
[12:20] <barney> Iĺl like 2 make some Score ofmy own compositions...
[12:20] <cfhowlett> musecore does that
[12:20] <barney> in using my electroacusticGuit
[12:21] <cfhowlett> barney, also see #opensourcemusicians
[12:21] <barney> ok, cfhowlett ReadU , bb
[12:22] <barney> thx
[12:22] <cfhowlett> happy@help! barney
[14:21] <Danne261> hi
[16:26] <solOBEY> Hi all ! how i get install driver for Line 6 UX1 for ubuntu studio 15.10 ?


[00:21] <smoser> veenenen, i'm not sure i understand the question
[00:21] <smoser> they should reboot, do they not ?
[00:22] <veenenen> yeah, but after the reboot there's no more console
[00:22] <veenenen> i can still ssh in though
[00:22] <veenenen> I just wanted to make sure that was intended behaviour
[00:24] <veenenen> It makes sense to me why that would be, but I just wanted to make sure I wasn't doing anything wrong
[00:25] <smoser> hm.. really, no more console.
[00:25] <veenenen> well, I'm not prompted to login
[00:25] <veenenen> I guess I still get a console
[00:25] <smoser> hm.. i would have thought youd still get console.
[00:26] <smoser> i can try to test this tomorrow.
[00:26] <smoser> i'd appreciate it if you'd open a bug
[00:26] <veenenen> sure
[00:26] <smoser> ideally, just run 'ubuntu-bug cloud-init' from inside the instance
[00:26] <veenenen> also, do you always have to boot from the floppy image when running it on kvm?
[00:50] <veenenen> nevermind, it just took several minutes for it to show up
[00:53] <smoser> hm... that is strange.
[00:53] <smoser> the reason you boot from a floppy is that what you have is a disk image with no partition table
[00:53] <smoser> so there is no place to put a boot loader
[00:53] <smoser> so the floppy provides that.
[00:54] <veenenen> that's what I figured
[00:54] <smoser> i know.
[00:54] <smoser> seriously, floppies.
[00:54] <smoser> :)
[00:54] <veenenen> haha
[00:54] <smoser> if you'd like you can do the same thing easily enough with a cdrom
[00:55] <smoser> the floppy image that is there actually doubles as a cdrom (other than it is padded to 2880K)
[00:55] <smoser> you will still likely have to "clean" your image before you put it up on ec2, if you're booting into it and doing things.
[00:55] <veenenen> I'm booting it as a cdrom already. virt-install doesn't have the option of floppies
[00:55] <smoser> oh. i'm glad that worked then.
[00:56] <smoser> ie, you will wan to un-set the password and such. there are some other things that 'uncloud-init' does, or that 'cloud-init' does that you'd want to to un-do.
[00:56] <veenenen> I was just planning on using the standard ec2-bundle-vol command
[00:56] <smoser> hm..
[00:56] <smoser> i dont knwo if that would work or not.
[00:56] <smoser> i really apologize for not being able to give as much help here.
[00:56] <veenenen> you've been great
[00:56] <smoser> i wish this was better documented or all "just worked" better.
[00:57] <smoser> in general, i don't like the "bundle-vol" approach
[00:57] <smoser> it tries to "un-boot" an image
[00:57] <smoser> i would much prefer modifying a pristine one without booting it.
[00:57] <smoser> ie, extracting, mounting loopback, and either modifying the contents or chroot'ing in and doing things.
[00:57] <smoser> ideally via scripts.
[00:58] <smoser> i do realize, though,t hat people want to do what you want to do
[00:58] <veenenen> I just want to get this all working then I can dig in and figure out better ways of doing everything
[00:58] <smoser> yeah.
[00:58] <smoser> i got to run
[00:58] <smoser> good luck.
[00:58] <veenenen> thanks for all your help
[07:14] <ttx> smoser: yes, someone should have tested that. I was on vacation that week, so I can't tell you who.
[07:15] <ttx> smoser: that said, the error is probably not a permanent error
[07:15] <ttx> and not linked specifically to 10.04.1
[07:16] <ttx> it's generally because it detects two CLCs or two CCs on the same network
[07:16] <ttx> the second one is detected as #2
[15:51] <crazy> hello all
[15:52] <crazy> i am facing problems in deploying applications to unbuntu cloud
[15:52] <crazy> smby help me....
[15:54] <crazy> hey i am new t0 irc help me guys......
[16:51] <smoser> crazy, well, what is your problem ?
[22:33] <SpamapS> hmm.. I wonder if we can get newer ec2 utils into maverick to support m1.micro
[22:43] <erichammond> SpamapS: What changes need to be made to support t1.micro?
[22:44] <SpamapS> is it t1.micro? Not sure. Maybe I just need to use the right type...
[22:44] <SpamapS> I know in the past regions had to be added at the tool level.
[22:56] <SpamapS> erichammond: ok, so that solves that. :)
[22:56] <SpamapS> Client.UnsupportedOperation: AMIs with an instance-store root device are not supported for the instance type 't1.micro'.
[22:56] <SpamapS> so you have to do EBS for micro? :(
[22:59] <SpamapS> Oh I guess thats because these have more capability.. cool
[23:16] <veenenen> also changes had to be made to the fstab to remove mounting sdb
[23:16] <veenenen> but that may have been fixed since I started one yesterday
[23:28] <erichammond> SpamapS: Yes, t1.micro must be EBS boot, 32- or 64-bit.
[23:29] <SpamapS> I just got one up and running
[23:29] <erichammond> smoser: I suppose that may create a case for a smaller EBS boot volume size than 15GB.
[23:29] <SpamapS> I may leave it for a while... why not? ;)
[23:34] <erichammond> $1.50 per month wasn't that big of a deal when you were paying at least $60 per month for an m1.small, but $1.50 per month is a big percentage increase when you start at $8 per month for t1.small, 3yr reserved.
[23:34] <erichammond> It's possible to increase the size of the root EBS volume at run time, but not decrease it.
[23:38] <veenenen> even with the 15 GB size it's still in line with the smallest offering at rackspace


[03:06] <holstein> darn... i missed talking FloatingGoat out of that honer
[03:12] <Unit193> Never heard of, only players in the family are sis and mom (2 out of 5 ;) )
[03:36] <len-dt> holstein, the one Hohner guitar I have (The Jack) , Has fret placement problems.. the intonation moves all the way up the fretboard... back and forth. It is fine at fret 12 and open, but G is way sharp for example.
[03:37] <len-dt> A is better... you get the idea.
[03:37] <holstein> yeah, honer is not great quality for strings...
[03:37] <holstein> i think there is better value out there
[03:37] <holstein> len-dt: how's it sound otherwise? decent?
[07:29] <drupin> my usb install was freez when running local server and google chrome....  system info here http://jsbin.com/isiguk/1/
[15:22] <holstein> drupin: at a glance, i would start looking into the via chip support.. maybe forcing vesa
[15:22] <holstein> drupin: i would take the USB stick to another machine to test that the install is working fine
[17:48] <hypnocat> when i do an "apt-get update", i see a bunch of messages like:
[17:48] <hypnocat> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates/multiverse i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_precise-updates_multiverse_binary-i386_Packages)
[17:48] <hypnocat> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[17:49] <hypnocat> but when i re-run "apt-get update", i get the same warnings
[17:49] <hypnocat> any suggestions on how i could fix this?
[18:06] <holstein> hypnocat: first thing i would check is PPA's that have been added
[18:07] <holstein> 2nd thing i would do is check out http://askubuntu.com/questions/183007/duplicate-sources-list-entries
[18:07] <holstein> sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/precise-partner.* is suggested, and seems apppropriate
[18:09] <hypnocat> how do i check what PPA's have been added?  and what are PPA's?
[18:12] <holstein> hypnocat: if you didnt add any, then there likely arent any
[18:12] <holstein> !ppa | hypnocat
[18:12] <hypnocat> thanks
[18:12] <holstein> usually breakages occure due to adding those
[18:12] <hypnocat> i didn't add anything
[18:12] <holstein> hypnocat: that link i gave should explain how to deal with your issue
[18:12] <hypnocat> i get the above errors when running "apt-get update" from the ubuntu studio livecd as soon as it's booted
[18:13] <hypnocat> without making any changes tothe system
[18:13] <hypnocat> thanks
[18:13] <holstein> hypnocat: i wouldnt run apt-get update
[18:13] <holstein> not on the live CD
[18:13] <hypnocat> oh?
[18:14] <holstein> i would do minimal package management from the live CD.. though that link should explain how to deal with what you are experiencing
[18:14] <hypnocat> alright, thank you
[18:15] <holstein> im not saying you shouldnt install things in the live environment.. but you will have issues
[18:15] <holstein> i mean, what if you update the package list? and you need to install a bunch of libs?
[18:15] <holstein> or update the kernel?
[18:15] <holstein> at some point you might hit something that requires a reboot
[18:15] <holstein> the live environment is just that.. and should really be used mostly "as-is" or as testing
[18:16] <holstein> if you want a live USB stick, i say, just go ahead and install.. do a normal installation to the stic putting grub on it
[18:16] <holstein> you can also do your own live CD
[18:19] <hypnocat> well, i just wanted to get the latest versions of the various apps that are available
[18:19] <holstein> hypnocat: sure, but every time?
[18:19] <hypnocat> every time i use the livcd, sure
[18:19] <holstein> hypnocat: i wouldnt bother just for the live CD.. not everytime its booted up
[18:20] <hypnocat> i don't do it often, mind you
[18:20] <holstein> that could be a big upload each time
[18:20] <hypnocat> but sometimes i need to use the livcd, and then it'd be nice to have the newest apps
[18:20] <hypnocat> it's not that big a download
[18:20] <holstein> best case scenario, you spend 20 to 30 minutes getting new apps that dont require a reboot
[18:20] <holstein> hypnocat: it'll get bigger as the packages get older
[18:20] <hypnocat> true.. but then there'll be a new version of ubuntu studio
[18:21] <holstein> hypnocat: you can always try the dailies
[18:21] <holstein> hypnocat: i will use the LTS
[18:21] <hypnocat> what's LTS?
[18:21] <holstein> though i will test the 12.10 and others
[18:21] <holstein> hypnocat: long term support
[18:21] <hypnocat> ah
[18:21] <hypnocat> i'm using 12.04.1 now
[18:21] <holstein> im still using ubuntustudio 10.04 on my studio rig
[18:22] <holstein> thought i test the other versions as time permits
[18:22] <holstein> just as you want the latest packages, i just want things to work
[18:22] <hypnocat> i haer you
[18:22] <hypnocat> hear
[18:22] <holstein> i will move to 12.04 though
[18:22] <hypnocat> i'd like the newest stuff.. but when it doesn't work, i'll settle for older stuff that does
[18:23] <holstein> still, just make your own live CD>. or just install to USB... i wouldnt expect big system upgrades to work well on the live CD
[18:23] <holstein> i mean, maybe you want to try a different jack version.. or a particular app upgrade.. still, there wont be big changes in the 12.04 version
[18:23] <holstein> those updates are mostly frozen to just security upgrades or whatever
[18:24] <holstein> running apt-get update and apt-get upgrade on a live 12.04 cd wont get you the latest and greatest.. it'll just get you the updates to the current versions
[18:24] <holstein> fixes mostly
[18:24] <holstein> i would just download a daily every now and then
[18:26] <hypnocat> hmm
[18:26] <holstein> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd/current/
[18:27] <holstein> that will be the most current versions mostly
[18:27] <holstein> even some of those will be older than the most newest available
[18:28] <holstein> ardour is a great example
[18:28] <holstein> we are shipping an older version that just has fixes... and the ardour team is working on 3.x
[18:28] <holstein> you wont see 3.x in ubuntustudio for a while... til its stable
[18:29] <holstein> you can apt-get update all day in any live ubuntu cd and never get anything ardour has produced recently
[18:31] <hypnocat> i see
[18:40] <hypnocat> hmm.. i think i may have run in to a small problem while trying to install libjack-dev..
[18:40] <hypnocat> http://pastie.org/4831072
[18:47] <hypnocat> whoops
[18:47] <hypnocat> my fault
[18:47] <hypnocat> i didn't realize that ubuntu-studio was using libjack-jackd2
[18:47] <hypnocat> and that i therefore needed to install libjack-jackd2-dev, not libjack-dev
[18:48] <hypnocat> installing libjack-jackd2-dev worked
[19:41] <joebar> Hi people , i've got a question , is it possible to use two audio driver at the same time ?
[19:44] <ailo> joebar: By audio driver, do you actually mean sound system?
[19:44] <ailo> joebar: You can use PA, jack and alsa all at the same time
[19:44] <ailo> Depending on how you do it
[19:45] <ailo> You can always use them with different cards, at the same time
[19:45] <ailo> PA can be connected to jack
[19:45] <ailo> When PA is connected to jack, PA is not using any audio card, so you can have both PA and jack running on one card
[19:48] <joebar> no I mean , when I use wine with the ASIO driver , I can't hear any other sound from anywhere , I mean , if I use my audio production program , I can't hear sounds from video or media player
[19:50] <joebar> so I'm asking if it is possible to run two drivers at the same time and if not , is there a driver that I could use for both aplications
[20:06] <joebar> nvm i figured it out
[20:06] <joebar> tnx anyway
[21:52] <len-dt> hypnocat, holstein, the message about two sets of PPAs is normal when running a live ISO. This is because the DVD/ISO has a second set or copy of some of the things. This normally goes away after the install and reboot to disk. Otherwise it seems not to affect anything.
[21:53] <len-dt> holstein, The hohner "Jack" seems to be a cheaply made instrument. It is neck though and headless.
[21:56] <len-dt> I replaced the bridge pickup right off because one of the cheap plastic mount tabs was broken... I put an S/D in. The two neck PUs are ok sounding though. The bridge is a cheap knockoff of the steinberger that I could never get to stay in tune, so I have made it as solid as I can... no more whammy.
[21:59] <len-dt> basically, if I had money, I would replace it.... if I was playing it for gigs, I would replace it even if I couldn't afford it. It is ok for playing around with and for gigging... with lots of patience to make sure it stays at one temperature as that affects tuning too.


[13:50] <thafreak> Anyone going down to cbus to hear Stallman speak?
[17:20] <dzho> thafreak: I bet I know how that's going to go.
[17:20] <dzho> bunch of FOSSy fans show up who are "into Linux" or whatever, but who have read far too little of Stallman end up asking him questions that you know are going to be cringe worthy.
[17:21] <dzho> like, they'll say "Linux" instead of "GNU/Linux" which will trigger the usual caveat.
[17:21] <dzho> see also "intellectual property" or "open source" or . . . .
[17:22] <thafreak> yeah...debating if it would be "worth" it to miss a day of work and drive all the way down there
[17:23] <dzho> have you ever seen him speak, though?
[17:23] <dzho> if not, it might be a good thing just to check it off the list.
[17:33] <thafreak> no I have not yet
[17:36] <dzho> ah, here it is: http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/speaker/speaker273.shtml
[17:36] <thafreak> oh yeah, sorry


[07:02] <Zer0Byte> hey guys question
[07:02] <Zer0Byte> i do a custom image
[07:02] <Zer0Byte> but i have to modify /etc/maas/preseeds/curtin_userdata_custom
[07:03] <Zer0Byte> exist a way to create a userdata just for the image i already upload?
[18:28] <mup> Bug #1768321 opened: [2.4] Machine fails to enter rescue mode due to attempting to boot hwe-18.04 kernel <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1768321>
[18:37] <mup> Bug #1768323 opened: [2.3, 2.4, regression] Precise (and seemingly Trusty) squashfs images are not being used <MAAS:In Progress by ltrager> <MAAS 2.3:In Progress by ltrager> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1768323>
[18:43] <mup> Bug #1749246 changed: [2.3] Image download hardlinks the hwe-*-edge  as the generic kernel instead of the ga-* kernel. <amd64> <apport-bug> <uec-images> <xenial> <MAAS:Fix Released by ltrager> <MAAS 2.3:Fix Released by ltrager> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1749246>
[18:53] <tomb_lenovo> hi i'm trying to setup MAAS for the first time, and after I imported the SSH keys and hit 'go to dashboard' my MAAS controler redirects to localhost/MAAS/#/intro/user which is appearing as a blank page.  Any idea how to stop the redirect and get to the dashboard?


[12:11] <Lord_Athur> hi!, my name is Alejandro, I've been here a lot of times but now
[12:12] <Lord_Athur> I'd like to be a member of the edubuntu community, what should I do?
[12:14] <Lord_Athur> is there anyone?
[12:20] <Lord_Athur>
[12:25] <Lord_Athur> the web of edubuntu says that you'd like new members
[12:26] <Lord_Athur> is this truth?
[12:30] <Lord_Athur> won't anybody answer me?
[12:30] <bdoin> too late, the leaders are probably asleep.
[12:30] <Lord_Athur> mmm
[12:31] <Lord_Athur> bdoin, what time is it in your country?
[12:31] <bdoin> I am in france and it's 24:30
[12:31] <bdoin> in south africa, it should be the same or later
[12:32] <Lord_Athur> ooo
[12:32] <Lord_Athur> is not the time in my country
[12:32] <Lord_Athur> I'm in the south of America
[12:32] <Lord_Athur> and in is 20:32
[12:33] <Lord_Athur> I think that this explain everything
[12:33] <Lord_Athur> :P
[12:33] <mhz> Lord_Athur: hola
[12:33] <Lord_Athur> hi
[12:34] <Lord_Athur> hola
[12:34] <Lord_Athur> :P
[12:34] <mhz> hehe
[12:34] <mhz> dia viernes, a esta hora... normalmente te psasara esto
[12:34] <Lord_Athur> creo que no me fij en eso
[12:34] <mhz> pero puedes hacer ping a quien necesites
[12:34] <bdoin> bye*
[12:34] <Lord_Athur> adems no soy muy bueno en el ingls
[12:34] <mhz> bdoin: bye
[12:34] <Lord_Athur> bye bd
[12:34] <mhz> Lord_Athur: no problem
[12:34] <Lord_Athur> :P
[12:35] <mhz> Lord_Athur: como puedo ayudarte?
[12:35] <Lord_Athur> mhz, de donde eres?
[12:35] <mhz> Chile
[12:35] <Lord_Athur> ap ok
[12:35] <mhz> y tu?
[12:35] <Lord_Athur> tambin
[12:35] <Lord_Athur> :P
[12:35] <Lord_Athur> santiago
[12:35] <Lord_Athur> bueno, tengo 15 aos y estoy con la distribucin ubuntu
[12:36] <Lord_Athur> y estoy instalando edubuntu
[12:36] <Lord_Athur> pero quisiera participar activamente
[12:36] <mhz> bienvenido!
[12:36] <Lord_Athur> gracias
[12:36] <Lord_Athur> :P
[12:36] <mhz> iras manana al CDSL?
[12:36] <Lord_Athur> no tena idea de ese evento
[12:36] <Lord_Athur> :)
[12:36] <mhz> Por que deseas usar edubuntu?
[12:36] <Lord_Athur> eso te demuestra mi falta de informacin
[12:37] <mhz> Lord_Athur: ojala puedas ir
[12:37] <mhz> Lord_Athur: muchas veces no nos enteramos pues hay MUCHO sucediendo
[12:37] <Lord_Athur> porque soy estudiante y simpatizo con las herramientas tecnolgicas que tienen que ver con la educacin
[12:37] <Lord_Athur> :)
[12:38] <Lord_Athur> adems me gustan los ordenadores
[12:38] <Lord_Athur> pero no los juegos que ellos tengan, ms bien sus sistemas operativos y programas
[12:40] <Lord_Athur> y tambin creo que elinteractuar con trosen ingls me puede acercar ms a Ubuntu y su espritu
[12:41] <Lord_Athur> mhz, tienes Edubuntu, verdad?
[12:41] <mhz> sip
[12:41] <mhz> Lord_Athur: en edubuntu ay mucho por hacer
[12:42] <mhz> hay
[12:43] <Lord_Athur> eso creo
[12:43] <Lord_Athur> a pesar de tener buenas intenciones...
[12:44] <Lord_Athur> creo q para haer una presentacin en una sala de clases debe exister edubuntu-live
[12:44] <Lord_Athur> en mi liceo no dejan hacer intervenciones a los sistemas operativos
[12:44] <Lord_Athur> y por ende edubuntu no presta un servicio muy bueno en ese sentido
[12:45] <mhz> lo mismo digo, pero de haber -es muy probable- solo sera descargable
[12:45] <Lord_Athur> si
[12:45] <mhz> donde estudias?
[12:45] <Lord_Athur> Liceo Lastarria, de providencia
[12:45] <mhz> y hay mas gente que use GnuLinux?
[12:46] <Lord_Athur> eso creo
[12:46] <Lord_Athur> de hecho hay bastantes estudiantes
[12:46] <mhz> Lord_Athur: para ser "miembro" de cualquier equipo, debes decidir:
[12:46] <Lord_Athur> pero no parece haber una sincronizacin entre nosotros
[12:46] <Lord_Athur> dime
[12:46] <mhz> a) sere voluntario de vez en cuando cuando en vez
[12:47] <mhz> b) sere voluntario y aceptare objetivos
[12:47] <mhz> c) sere voluntario y fanatico evangelizador
[12:47] <Lord_Athur> prefiero C
[12:47] <mhz> dpendiendo de la que escojas es la forma
[12:47] <mhz> PERFECTO!
[12:47] <Lord_Athur> :)
[12:48] <mhz> enonces, visita LaunchPad, crea un usuario, con el podras editar cualquier pagina en Ubuntu
[12:48] <Lord_Athur> creo tener ya un usuario
[12:48] <mhz> teniendo cuenta en LP, podras sumarte a los equipos oficiales
[12:48] <Lord_Athur> :)
[12:48] <mhz> presionando +join link
[12:49] <mhz> Idealmente, escribe un resumen de tus expectativas y contribuciones
[12:49] <mhz> en tu home page del wiki y de LP
[12:49] <mhz> y seras aprobado por c/leader de equipo
[12:50] <Lord_Athur> ok
[12:50] <mhz> en tu wiki, incluye tus objetivos
[12:51] <mhz> basicamente, en estas comunidades se valora mucho los compromisos realizados con exito, los intentos y las caidas. Valoramos mucho la contribucion, la opinion y el espiritu de participar para mejorar
[12:51] <Lord_Athur> es entonces el tipo de comunidad en la que quiero ingresar
[12:52] <mhz> Yo, el martes 22 recien fui aceptado como miembro "oficial" de la comunidad ubuntu. (creo que soy aun el unico chileno y latinoamericano en esa categoria). Claro que sucedio despues de casi 6 meses de bastante trabajo
[12:52] <Lord_Athur> tendr que escribir objetivos en ingls?
[12:52] <Lord_Athur> felicidades
[12:52] <mhz> no necesariamente
[12:52] <mhz> muchas gracias
[12:53] <mhz> Lord_Athur: dentro de mis objetivos es la administarcion de una mailing-list en castelano para edubuntu
[12:53] <mhz> ahora, siendo miembro oficial, puedo hacerlo
[12:53] <Lord_Athur> vaya yo creo estan en unas 5 mailing list de buntu
[12:53] <Lord_Athur> digo ubuntu
[12:54] <mhz> sino, hubieramos dependido de que alguno de los espanoles para ello (y de momento no se han presentado en este proyecto)
[12:54] <Lord_Athur> cuenta para eso conmigo
[12:54] <mhz> gracias!
[12:54] <Lord_Athur> :)
[12:55] <mhz> de momento, en edubuntu, de vez en cuando viene arkan0x y pitux
[12:55] <mhz> ambos de Chile
[12:55] <mhz> arkan0x es del CDSL (y estudiante univ. de la chile)
[12:55] <Lord_Athur> CDSL???
[12:55] <mhz> pitux es estudiante de la USACH
[12:55] <mhz> www.cdsl.cl
[12:56] <mhz> yo, soy miembro de www.tecnocimiento.cl
[12:56] <mhz> y pitux cordina www.matematicaslibre.cl
[12:57] <Lord_Athur> que bien
[12:57] <mhz> cando seas miembro oficial, (habiendo sido sujeto de invitacion y evaluacion del CommunityCouncil) puedes hacerte cargo de responsabilidades en distintos desarrollos (comunitarios o tecnicos)
[12:57] <mhz> de lo contrario, para liderar algun proyecto deberas tener una especie de padrino
[12:58] <mhz> como te dije, donde quieras llegar, como todo en la vida, depende de ti solamente.
[12:58] <Lord_Athur> sip , es verdad
[12:58] <mhz> por mi parte, me engorgullece muchisimo que seas otro chileno en este "voluntariado por mejorar las cosas"
[12:59] <Lord_Athur> gracias
[12:59] <Lord_Athur> donde me dijiste que creara la pgina de inicio?
[12:59] <mhz> al menos, en este canal, la preocupacion principal son dos: desarrollo y soporte edubuntu y la otra: generacion de comunidades educativa
[12:59] <Lord_Athur> ya acabo de hacer mi usuario LP
[12:59] <mhz> tanto en launchpad como en el wiki
[01:01] <mhz> te doy referencias: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/MauricioHernandez y https://launchpad.net/people/mhz
[01:01] <mhz> Lord_Athur: debo encargarme de la cena :(
[01:01] <mhz> vuelvo como en 50 minutos
[01:02] <mhz> estaras?
[01:02] <mhz> podras ir al CDSL manana para la install fest?
[01:02] <Lord_Athur> sip
[01:02] <mhz> genial!
[01:03] <Lord_Athur> pestan en la web las especificaciones?
[01:03] <mhz> nos vemos al rato
[01:03] <Lord_Athur> direcciones y todo
[01:03] <mhz> sip
[01:03] <mhz> sip
[01:03] <Lord_Athur> bien
[01:03] <Lord_Athur> te espero
[01:03] <mhz> de todos modos, probablemente arkan0x esta por llegar aca
[01:03] <Lord_Athur> bye
[01:34] <Lord_Athur> hi
[01:46] <zakame> greetz Lord_Athur
[01:54] <Lord_Athur> hi
[01:54] <Lord_Athur> zakame hello
[01:54] <Lord_Athur> :)
[01:58] <Lord_Athur> hey
[01:58] <Lord_Athur> zakame,
[01:58] <Lord_Athur> I've instaled edubuntu from ubuntu
[01:59] <Lord_Athur> but when this starts I can see "ubuntu" instead of "edubuntu"
[01:59] <Lord_Athur> what does this mean?
[02:00] <zakame> hmmm, edubuntu comes from ubuntu, after all :)
[02:01] <Lord_Athur> yes
[02:02] <Lord_Athur> but in my father's computer edubuntu says edubuntu (not ubuntu)
[02:03] <zakame> was your computer a new edubuntu install, or an upgrade?
[02:04] <Lord_Athur> the computer of my father and mine are upgrade
[02:05] <Lord_Athur> I've installed this with apt-get
[02:06] <zakame> where do you see this? on the login screen?
[02:06] <Lord_Athur> not
[02:07] <Lord_Athur> in the screen but after of boot and before the login screen
[02:07] <Lord_Athur> :)
[02:07] <zakame> in grub?
[02:08] <Lord_Athur> jajjaa
[02:08] <Lord_Athur> si
[02:08] <Lord_Athur>
[02:28] <arkan0x> mhz_dinner, ping !
[02:28] <arkan0x> mhz_dinner, ping !
[02:28] <arkan0x> mhz, ping
[02:28] <mhz> pon
[02:28] <mhz> pong
[02:29] <arkan0x> ya
[02:29] <mhz> arkan0x: Lord_Athur es chileno!
[02:29] <arkan0x> tell me
[02:29] <arkan0x> hi Lord_Athur !
[02:29] <arkan0x> how are you ? Lord_Athur xD
[02:29] <arkan0x> mhz, tell me
[02:30] <mhz> Lord_Athur: maybe if you reboot, you'll see edubuntu
[02:30] <Lord_Athur> hi arkan0x
[02:30] <Lord_Athur> I've done it mhz
[02:30] <mhz> arkan0x: para el installfest, probablemente tendremos cobertura de chilevision
[02:30] <Lord_Athur> but this does not change
[02:30] <mhz> Lord_Athur: hmmm
[02:30] <arkan0x> mhz, duh !
[02:30] <Lord_Athur>
[02:31] <mhz> Lord_Athur: y tu /etc/apt/source.list, que tiene comentado?
[02:31] <arkan0x> mhz, pero es confirmado ? avisaste pala lista ?
[02:31] <mhz> no todavia, prefiero que sea sorpresa por si acaso
[02:31] <arkan0x> mhz, yo no prefiero que sea sorpresa
[02:31] <mhz> por que?
[02:31] <arkan0x> pq tu sabes como estan las cosas
[02:32] <mhz> no?
[02:32] <arkan0x> mhz, yo dejaria eso pa la feria de tecn libres
[02:32] <arkan0x> onda un reportaje/nota de ubuntu/edubuntu
[02:32] <mhz> ahhh, bueno, es que el tipo queria ver edubuntu trabajando
[02:32] <arkan0x> mhz, oks
[02:32] <mhz> y ademas queria ver el el installfest
[02:32] <arkan0x> okis
[02:33] <mhz> entonces pense que era mejor matar 2 pajaros de un tiro
[02:33] <arkan0x> igual avisa pala lista
[02:33] <mhz> okey
[02:33] <arkan0x> mhz, manana llegas como alas 10-11?
[02:33] <Lord_Athur> a que lista se refieren?
[02:33] <mhz> a la del cdsl
[02:33] <mhz> arkan0x: sip
[02:33] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, www.cdsl.cl
[02:33] <arkan0x> mhz, rlz
[02:33] <mhz> arkan0x: y te puedo enviar el papel?
[02:34] <arkan0x> mhz, al mail
[02:34] <mhz> demas, pero alcanzaras a imprimirlo?
[02:34] <arkan0x> osea , si es una pagina ,claro , imprimo por30
[02:34] <mhz> ooo
[02:34] <arkan0x> si es algo mas cuatico
[02:34] <arkan0x> depende
[02:34] <arkan0x> mhz, tengo laser b/n
[02:35] <mhz> te propongo lo siguiente (estaba trabajndo en las tarjetas de tc)
[02:35] <mhz> dejame pegarle la repasada al papel de ubuntu y te lo mando en 30 mins?
[02:35] <arkan0x> okz
[02:35] <mhz> gracias!
[02:35] <mhz> arkan0x: oye..
[02:35] <arkan0x> mhz, oigo
[02:35] <mhz> que crees que seria lo problemeatico respecto a chilevision?
[02:37] <arkan0x> que el cdsl no es un ente representativo del software libre en chile , osea se pretende eso , pero como que siento que todavia no tenemos un piso ,osea en chile no siento que alguna agrupacion sea representativa ..
[02:37] <arkan0x> pero como pa salir en la tele
[02:37] <arkan0x> es como mucha carne pa gato chico
[02:37] <arkan0x> quizas en el cdsl piensan que es bacan
[02:37] <mhz> arkan0x: y eso seria negativo? que pasa si con eso llega mas gente de "verdad" a colaborar?
[02:37] <arkan0x> pero esa es mi vision
[02:38] <arkan0x> mhz, puede ser
[02:38] <mhz> arkan0x: totalmente de acuerdo
[02:38] <Lord_Athur> arkan0x, me registr en cdsl pero el e-mail que reciv esta vaco
[02:38] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, ?? , yap deja revisar
[02:38] <Lord_Athur> gracias
[02:38] <mhz> arkan0x: y se vera mal si chilevision va pa  una nota sobre ubuntu? me refiero, se vera mal que sea en el CDSL?
[02:39] <arkan0x> mhz,  nu
[02:39] <arkan0x> mhz, pero bueno , ojala que resulte bien y ke se haga mas difusion
[02:40] <mhz> ah, entonces mejor que sea sorpresa. Asi, si llega el tipo y la camara, genial! y en el cdsl se dan cuenta que estamos haciendo las cosas con mas ganas. Si no llega... nunca hubo dano :)
[02:40] <arkan0x> mhz, esque siento ese temor , pq la gente que conozco del mundo SL en chile , pa ellos el cdsl como nu pasa na
[02:40] <arkan0x> mhz,  demas
[02:40] <mhz> ni un problema
[02:40] <mhz> arkan0x: por eso siempre trato de que hagamos cosas juntos. Se que tu SI haces las cosas.
[02:41] <mhz> y me da lata que te desgastes porque otros no dan la talla
[02:41] <Lord_Athur> arkan0x, mhz, esto me suele pasar al adherirme a una lista o algo parecido, ser un problema de mi mail?
[02:41] <mhz> o sea, concuerdo en que es necesario hacer las cosas porque te das cuenta que es necesario, y que si uno no lo hace... entonces quien?
[02:41] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, quieres un mail gmail ?
[02:42] <mhz> Lord_Athur: enviame un mail a<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:42] <mhz> Lord_Athur: o un gmail es seguro sin problemas
[02:42] <Lord_Athur> ok
[02:43] <Lord_Athur> entonces usar mi cuenta gmail
[02:43] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, a ok
[02:43] <Lord_Athur> :)
[02:43] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, pero no te registres de nuevo
[02:43] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, te cambio la passwd yo
[02:43] <arkan0x> y te la envio
[02:43] <Lord_Athur> ok
[02:43] <Lord_Athur> te doy mi mail por privado?
[02:57] <Lord_Athur> gracias arkan0x
[02:58] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, eres de stgo ?
[02:58] <Lord_Athur> si
[02:58] <Lord_Athur> y tu igual, verdad?
[02:58] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, sipos
[02:58] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, para que participes con nosotros en el cdsl
[03:00] <Lord_Athur> si
[03:00] <Lord_Athur> maana en el encuentro me presentar
[03:00] <Lord_Athur> adems ya casi termina el colegio
[03:00] <Lord_Athur> :)
[03:00] <Lord_Athur> tu vas en la universidad segn mencion mhz
[03:01] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, sep
[03:01] <Lord_Athur> actualic mis datos en la poag de cdsl, ahora los mail  me llegarn a gmail, verdad?
[03:02] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, nop , osea la idea es participar ,osea ir al cdsl para que te inscribamos en la lista de correo
[03:02] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, puedes utilizar la web para crear contenido , hacer consultas en tu blog , etc
[03:02] <Lord_Athur> entiendo
[03:03] <Lord_Athur> maana ir a la reunin
[03:03] <Lord_Athur> de cdsl
[03:03] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, aunque los avisos siempre se publican en la web y en la lista
[03:03] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, es un install fest
[03:03] <Lord_Athur> ok
[03:03] <Lord_Athur> jajaja
[03:03] <Lord_Athur> entiendo
[03:03] <Lord_Athur> pero....
[03:03] <Lord_Athur> a que se refiere install fest?
[03:03] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, festival de instalacion
[03:04] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, llevas tu pc y te instalamos linux
[03:04] <arkan0x> osea , instalamos linux
[03:04] <arkan0x> "juntos"
[03:04] <Lord_Athur> ap ok
[03:04] <Lord_Athur> pero ya tengo instalado linux
[03:04] <Lord_Athur> :S
[03:04] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, van a ver charlas/demos
[03:05] <Lord_Athur> por eso ir :)
[03:05] <arkan0x> de software grafico y de edubuntu
[03:05] <Lord_Athur> adems quiero empezar a participar
[03:05] <Lord_Athur> en esto de edubuntu
[03:05] <Lord_Athur> :)
[03:05] <mhz> Lord_Athur: bienvenido a edubuntu
[03:06] <mhz> Lord_Athur: tecnocimiento en Chile dese hacer el EdubuntuChileanTour
[03:06] <Lord_Athur> gracias
[03:06] <Lord_Athur> :)
[03:06] <mhz> para eso estamos organizando una base de datos de cerca de 1000 colegios
[03:06] <Lord_Athur> mhz, me das el enlace a la pag de tecnocimiento por favor?
[03:06] <mhz> para invitar profesores y alumnos a conocer edubuntu y hacer "trabajo de evangelizacion"
[03:07] <mhz> www.tecnocimiento.cl
[03:07] <Lord_Athur> est en la nmina el mo?
[03:07] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, cual colegio ?
[03:07] <mhz> Lord_Athur: si quieres, estara :D
[03:07] <Lord_Athur> Lastarria
[03:07] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, pinguino xD
[03:07] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, nonon
[03:07] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, pitufo x
[03:07] <mhz> hehehehe
[03:08] <Lord_Athur> jajjaa
[03:08] <Lord_Athur> su
[03:08] <Lord_Athur> si as nos dicen
[03:08] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, por la camisa azul
[03:08] <Lord_Athur> arkan0x, de que colegio eras?
[03:08] <Lord_Athur> si
[03:08] <arkan0x> INBA
[03:08] <Lord_Athur> por la camisa
[03:08] <mhz> Lord_Athur: ademas seria bueno si pudieras ayudarnos con EdubuntuSoftwareList y con EdubuntuStudyPackages
[03:08] <Lord_Athur> INBA?
[03:08] <mhz> ambos conceptos son paginas del wiki.edubuntu.org/
[03:08] <arkan0x> barros arana
[03:09] <Lord_Athur> ok
[03:09] <Lord_Athur> :)
[03:09] <mhz> con EdubuntuSoftwareList, necesitamos conocer para que edades serian utiles las palicaciones (algunas son obvias, pero es mejor especificalras)
[03:09] <mhz> y saber tambien si..
[03:10] <mhz> son factibles de cruzar con el curriculum o plan de estudio
[03:10] <Lord_Athur> eso creo
[03:10] <mhz> o sea, ej: Kalzium, tabla periodica, quimica, util para 2 y 3 medio?
[03:10] <mhz> coasa asi
[03:10] <Lord_Athur> pero mhz creo que para todo eso es fundamental tener un edubuntu live
[03:11] <Lord_Athur> mhz, la tabla periodica se usa entre 1 y 4
[03:11] <Lord_Athur> :)
[03:11] <Lord_Athur> toda la enseanza media segn los planes de estudio regulares
[03:11] <Lord_Athur> :)
[03:11] <mhz> demas, pero todavia no podra ser. Sera muy pronto eso si. Y si con tecnocimiento logramos hacer lo que tenemo splaneado, entonces nosotros mismo podremos hacer ese edubuntu live
[03:11] <Lord_Athur> :)
[03:12] <Lord_Athur> quisiera aprender a programar en linux
[03:12] <mhz> pero por ahora... esperar y trabajar en prepara material para evangelizar
[03:12] <mhz> deberias empezar por python
[03:12] <mhz> hay un libro escrito por un profe super choro, especialmente disenado para ensenar a quien no sabe programar
[03:13] <mhz> y basa toda su ensenanza desde python
[03:13] <Lord_Athur> maana me das el nombre
[03:13] <Lord_Athur> del libro
[03:13] <Lord_Athur> :)
[03:13] <mhz> np
[03:13] <Lord_Athur> ?
[03:13] <mhz> "como pensar como un cientifico de la computacion desde python
[03:13] <mhz> Lord_Athur: np = no problem
[03:14] <Lord_Athur> a ok
[03:14] <Lord_Athur> yo antes programaba en VB para win
[03:14] <Lord_Athur> :P
[03:14] <Lord_Athur> jajaja
[03:14] <mhz> ya es una base
[03:14] <Lord_Athur> era "bsico"
[03:14] <Lord_Athur> jajaja
[03:14] <Lord_Athur> eso creo
[03:14] <mhz> que tambien puedes listar en tu homepage
[03:15] <Lord_Athur> saip
[03:15] <Lord_Athur> digo si
[03:15] <Lord_Athur> :P
[03:15] <Lord_Athur> creo que hay mucho que decir
[03:15] <Lord_Athur> mucho que hablar para mejorar ubuntu, kubuntu y edubuntu
[03:16] <mhz> demas
[03:16] <Lord_Athur> breezy no trae "mail"
[03:16] <Lord_Athur> me gusta escribir mails desde la terminal
[03:16] <mhz> pero es preciso definir las batallas, una a una, paso a paso
[03:16] <Lord_Athur> si
[03:16] <mhz> quizas porque 'mail' no era prioritario, no se.
[03:17] <mhz> en #ubunut-devel se reunen todos los encargados de programar y desarrollar tecnicamente
[03:17] <Lord_Athur> tal vez
[03:17] <Lord_Athur> han de hablar ingls
[03:17] <Lord_Athur> :S
[03:17] <mhz> sip
[03:18] <Lord_Athur> adems
[03:18] <Lord_Athur> los repositorios que trae la instacin de ubuntu, k y edu son muy malos
[03:18] <Lord_Athur> casi nunca encuentro los paquetes
[03:18] <Lord_Athur> que busco
[03:19] <mhz> arkan0x: Lord_Athur: estare revisando el "panfelto" de ubuntu de manana. beepeen me si me necesitan. arkan0x seria prudente habilitar tu 'beep' de XChat :D
[03:19] <mhz> Lord_Athur: pero has editado tu source.list?
[03:19] <Lord_Athur> no con breezy
[03:19] <mhz> ahh
[03:20] <Lord_Athur> he tenido malas experiencias al cambiar el source
[03:20] <Lord_Athur> :S
[03:20] <mhz> descomenta todos los pares de lineas universe y multiverse
[03:20] <mhz> y deja descomentadas las lineas de 'estable'
[03:20] <mhz> para seguridad
[03:21] <Lord_Athur> en el fondo.. descomento todo
[03:21] <mhz> luego update y busca los paquetes que deseas.
[03:21] <arkan0x> mhz, ??>>  osea mas rato me envias el documento >
[03:21] <arkan0x> ?
[03:21] <mhz> ccasi todo, si
[03:21] <mhz> ahora mismo estoy en eso :)
[03:22] <Lord_Athur> mhz_editing,
[03:22] <Lord_Athur> espera
[03:22] <Lord_Athur> no tienes un enlace a una lista de soruces?
[03:22] <Lord_Athur> bueno mejor lo hablamos maana
[03:22] <Lord_Athur> Hasta luego arkan0x: mhz_editing:
[03:22] <Lord_Athur> bye
[03:54] <mhz_editing> ogra: hey
[04:16] <mhz_editing> arkan0x: ya
[04:17] <arkan0x> al maile
[04:18] <mhz_editing> arkanox at gmail dot com
[04:18] <arkan0x> yeah!
[04:18] <mhz_editing> avisame como se ve, pls
[04:20] <arkan0x> mhz_editing, podria ser pdf ? ,eske no tengo instalado en arch oo2
[04:21] <arkan0x> me pase a arch por este rato , taba montando un repositorio de arch
[04:21] <mhz_editing> hehehe, np
[04:21] <mhz_editing> w8
[04:24] <mhz_editing> yap
[04:24] <arkan0x> oks
[04:28] <mhz_editing> cool
[04:29] <arkan0x> mhz_editing, :( problemas con la tipografia
[04:29] <arkan0x> no se ve bien
[04:29] <mhz_editing> chico? gande?
[04:29] <mhz_editing> logo feo?
[04:29] <arkan0x> y recien imprimi algo con tipografia comun
[04:29] <arkan0x> mhz_editing, no
[04:30] <arkan0x> algunas letras no se ven vien
[04:30] <arkan0x> los logos estan guenos
[04:30] <mhz_editing> ejemplo?
[04:30] <arkan0x> es por la fuente utilizada
[04:30] <mhz_editing> :(
[04:31] <mhz_editing> a que hora te levantas manana?
[04:31] <arkan0x> mmm cmo alas 9
[04:31] <mhz_editing> es que ahora debo ponerme a imprimir tarjetas
[04:31] <arkan0x> mhz_editing, okz
[04:31] <mhz_editing> tan tarde?
[04:31] <mhz_editing> :)
[04:31] <arkan0x> voy a ir a ubuntu para cambiar la tipografia
[04:32] <mhz_editing> si no, podria, una vez sepa como me salen las tarjetas, volver a trabajr en esto
[04:32] <arkan0x> mhz_editing, nnonn
[04:32] <arkan0x> mhz_editing, aora imprimi de nuevo
[04:32] <arkan0x> y salio bien
[04:32] <arkan0x> xD
[04:32] <mhz_editing> ???
[04:32] <mhz_editing> me estay?
[04:32] <mhz_editing> :D
[04:32] <arkan0x> eske lo hize primero con evince , y dp con gpdf
[04:32] <arkan0x> mhz_editing,  no , no te estoy ....
[04:32] <mhz_editing> ahhh
[04:32] <mhz_editing> entonces si sale ok?
[04:32] <arkan0x> mhz_editing, recuerda estoy en archlinux , lo ultimo...
[04:33] <mhz_editing> arkan0x: rlz
[04:33] <mhz_editing> voy a la impresora y vuelvo altiro
[04:33] <arkan0x> ppor ende , unstable, mas encima toy con archlinux testing ...
[04:33] <arkan0x> peor aun xD
[04:33] <mhz_printing> hehehe
[04:38] <arkan0x> mhz_printing, !
[04:38] <arkan0x> mhz_printing, !
[04:38] <arkan0x> mhz_printing, problema , difucion es difusion !
[04:38] <arkan0x> imprimi 7 xD asi
[04:38] <arkan0x> ejje
[04:42] <arkan0x> mhz_printing, modifica porfa lo de difusion ,
[04:42] <arkan0x> del pdf
[05:02] <mhz_printing> hey
[05:08] <mhz_printing> arkan0x: estas?
[05:46] <mhz> re
[08:43] <khermans> My client is failing to connect -- error on boot is "Sending ProxyDHCP request to <IP_ADDRESS>..."
[08:43] <khermans> it doesnt do anything after that
[08:43] <khermans> i already replaced the /etc/ltsp/dhcp config from 192.168.0
[11:36] <Yagisan> re
[12:19] <Lord_Athur> Hola
[12:20] <Lord_Athur> hello
[12:22] <Lord_Athur> jejeje
[12:22] <Lord_Athur> arkan0x, aren't you sleeping?
[12:23] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, nop ,pero working
[12:23] <Lord_Athur> ap ok
[12:23] <Lord_Athur> may a carry to the install fest any instalation cd of ubuntu?
[12:24] <Lord_Athur> I won't install it, but maybe other...
[12:24] <Lord_Athur> :P
[12:35] <Lord_Athur> arkan0x, have you got your own homepage in wiki?
[12:36] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, nop
[12:36] <Lord_Athur> tienes el enlace a la de mhz?
[12:40] <arkan0x> tecnocimiento.cl
[12:41] <Lord_Athur> ok
[12:59] <mhz> hi
[01:00] <Yagisan> G'day mhz
[01:00] <mhz> Yagisan: hey happy and tired gifted daddy
[01:01] <Yagisan> mhz: not so happy - wife is getting bad news about her parents
[01:01] <Yagisan> mhz: One seems very sick
[01:01] <mhz> Yagisan: ooops, sorry to hear that
[01:02] <mhz> what's the prob?
[01:02] <Yagisan> mhz: I'm not sure yet - but my wife is in tears - so it is not good
[01:05] <mhz> man, I am truly sorry.
[01:05] <mhz> difficult sitiations call for extreame solutions
[01:06] <mhz> is praying a solutions for you?
[01:06] <mhz> I mean, is faith a way to face things?
[01:11] <Yagisan> mhz: I am not a religious person, so that doesn't work for me. I hope too find out the exact details of what is wrong soon
[01:11] <Yagisan> mhz: as she is on the phone to her parents now
[01:18] <mhz> oh, ok, I see. I am not a religious person either, but I always see details that remind me there's something else.
[01:18] <mhz> :)
[01:26] <spacey> mhz, your that MauricioHernandez guy?
[01:26] <spacey> or am i confusing people here
[01:26] <mhz> spacey: yup
[01:26] <mhz> i am
[01:27] <spacey> did you read my mail at list?
[01:27] <mhz> spacey: could you be more spceific ? :D
[01:28] <spacey> the studypackagestuff
[01:28] <spacey> at edubuntu mailinglist
[01:29] <spacey> i replied at your thread
[01:29] <mhz> oooohhh
[01:30] <mhz> so far, I have 8 mails regarding that
[01:30] <mhz> what is your email address?
[01:31] <mhz> so far, Mallory and Herman, and the rest are latinamerican folks
[01:31] <mhz> ogra: morning?
[01:32] <spacey> i'm Herman
[01:32] <spacey> sorry
[01:32] <mhz> duh!, no wonder I couldnt find your match :D
[01:32] <spacey> forget that you can't see it on my nick
[01:32] <mhz> yup
[01:32] <mhz> I am no running from CIA so I can use my name :D
[01:33] <spacey> hehe
[01:33] <spacey> same here
[01:33] <mhz> spacey: indeed, I am looking at sourceforge
[01:33] <mhz> schoolforge
[01:33] <spacey> uh
[01:33] <mhz> sorry
[01:33] <spacey> y
[01:33] <mhz> sorry
[01:33] <mhz> schoolforge
[01:33] <spacey> but they only state that they do content, they don't seem to have it
[01:33] <spacey> and we can just use their stuff if they have
[01:33] <mhz> I remember I saw the project long time ago
[01:33] <spacey> ;p
[01:34] <mhz> yup
[01:34] <spacey> i'll see what comes up tonight
[01:34] <spacey> off to work now.
[01:34] <spacey> cya
[01:34] <Lord_Athur> hi
[01:34] <Lord_Athur> mhz,
[01:34] <Lord_Athur> buen da
[01:34] <mhz> that is why I proposed this edubuntu project. I had visited many sites and none providing real contents
[01:34] <mhz> Lord_Athur: hi there
[01:35] <Lord_Athur> hi
[01:35] <mhz> spacey: thx anyways, please jump in and lets work 2gether
[01:35] <mhz> Lord_Athur: estoy por cerrar mi tarro y arreglar cosasa para ir al CDSL
[01:35] <mhz> iras?
[01:36] <mhz> ogra: my today biz cards include 'edubuntu' logo. I hope it's ok
[01:36] <ogra> mhz, sure
[01:36] <ogra> hi btw
[01:36] <mhz> ogra: and if needed, I can upload the SVG tonite (it is letter size for 10 biz cards each sheet)
[01:36] <mhz> hehehe
[01:37] <mhz> ogra: so, did you read my pinging questions about responsibilities and Launchpad group for study packages?
[01:37] <mhz> hehehehe
[01:37] <mhz> well, that's diff :D
[01:37] <ogra> i think its ok if everyone who is in the edubuntu launchpad team can also print cards ...
[01:38] <ogra> so put them up if you want
[01:38] <ogra> there seems to be no svg version of the CD cover ...
[01:38] <mhz> yup, and you gotta be motivated to do spend 3 hours (1.5 hour only cutting them)
[01:38] <ogra> could you upload one ?
[01:38] <ogra> you can go to a copy shop, the do it for you ;)
[01:38] <ogra> (at least here)
[01:39] <mhz> ogra: yup, there's only SVG version (old with little text mistakes compared o the one in breezy) in the old wiki page EdubuntuCdCoverAndSlip
[01:39] <ogra> nope, thats a png ... you just named it svg
[01:40] <mhz> ogra: yup, but it was 01:30 AM when I started and I have to save each penny for EdubuntuChileanTour
[01:40] <mhz> ogra: wrong :D
[01:40] <Lord_Athur> bye to everyone
[01:40] <Lord_Athur> :)
[01:41] <ogra> mhz, dont get it to me, get it to the wiki ;)
[01:41] <mhz> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCdAndSlip?action=AttachFile
[01:41] <ogra> all .svg attachment are pngs there
[01:44] <mhz> ogra: nope, I have just downloaded SVG from that url I just gave you
[01:44] <mhz> :)
[01:44] <ogra> i only get pngs from it, no matter what i try
[01:44] <mhz> weired
[01:44] <ogra> and others apparently too
[01:45] <mhz> and you see all this listing?
[01:45] <mhz>     * [get | view]  (720.3 KB) attachment:edubuntu_CdCoverV1.svg
[01:45] <mhz>     * [get | view]  (32.4 KB) attachment:edubuntu_CdCoverV2.png
[01:45] <mhz>     * [get | view]  (118.4 KB) attachment:edubuntu_CdCoverV2.svg
[01:45] <mhz>     * [get | view]  (205.4 KB) attachment:edubuntu_CdCoverWithWorldV2.svg
[01:45] <mhz>     * [get | view]  (1162.6 KB) attachment:edubuntu_CdSlipV1.svg
[01:45] <mhz>     * [get | view]  (181.2 KB) attachment:edubuntu_CdSlipV2.png
[01:45] <mhz>     * [get | view]  (741.8 KB) attachment:edubuntu_CdSlipV2.svg
[01:45] <ogra> oh, sorry, i used the links from the page...
[01:45] <mhz> ahhh
[01:45] <mhz> see?
[01:45] <ogra> how are users supposed to get the svgs `
[01:45] <ogra> ?
[01:45] <mhz> I know, I know u r right
[01:46] <mhz> it is just that as Pablo was supposed to provide the last corrections (his text versions were traced so nobody could actually change text to avoid font printing diff)
[01:47] <mhz> I waited and waited to upload the last editable text SVG versions
[01:47] <ogra> why should someone change the text ?
[01:47] <mhz> ok, I'll upload old ones in the meantime
[01:48] <mhz> hmmmmmm, don't know. But we had based our ideas on hoary texts, not breezy
[01:48] <ogra> isnt that the text JaneW approved ?
[01:48] <mhz> and there are some slight diff
[01:48] <mhz> like "for your PC version"
[01:48] <mhz> the back text? yes
[01:48] <mhz> the text on the cd label? yup, but she also mentioned a change in "free to copy" part
[01:49] <mhz> and someonel else pointed the "for your PC version" instead of "x86 version"
[01:49] <ogra> then please change it in the version, but i''m not happy with people makiong random changes to the text
[01:49] <mhz> those minimal text diff, I could not edit becuase of the "traced" texts
[01:50] <ogra> PC version is confusing ...
[01:50] <mhz> *sighs*
[01:50] <mhz> I am just a volunteer
[01:50] <ogra> macintoshes are power *PCs*
[01:50] <mhz> EXACTLY!
[01:50] <ogra> so please leave the architecture as is
[01:50] <mhz> I did not want to change it either, but...
[01:50] <ogra> its the same on the breezy covers afaik
[01:50] <mhz> really?
[01:51] <mhz> now tyou tell men? :D
[01:51] <mhz> now ou tell me? :D
[01:51] <mhz> ahhhh
[01:51] <ogra> i didnt know you were changing it
[01:51] <mhz> EKBD
[01:51] <mhz> okis
[01:51] <ogra> please discuss such changes on the mailing list, dont just silently make them
[01:51] <mhz> so I will change the "free to copy" thing JaneW asked me
[01:52] <ogra> i want to be able to know if i have a ppc, x86 or amd64 CD i install from
[01:52] <mhz> ogra: now I know. I am kind of shy sometimes (only sometimes)
[01:52] <ogra> there must be a way to distinguish them
[01:52] <mhz> :)
[01:52] <mhz> yup, indeed
[01:53] <mhz> okis, so, in the meantime, i'll upload those old versions and tonite, I'll upload new version "free to copy" thing
[01:53] <ogra> yup
[01:56] <mhz> http://www.gnuskole.dk/
[01:58] <ogra> i think fabbione works with them
[01:59] <mhz> oh, I understood nothing, only the name
[02:00] <mhz> files at home, people can proceed
[02:01] <mhz> ogra: I am leaving for the InstallFest and did I mention TV will be there ?
[02:01] <mhz> ogra: so, did you read my pinging questions about responsibilities and Launchpad group for study packages?
[02:01] <ogra> yup, you did :) ggod luck
[02:01] <mhz> thx
[02:02] <ogra> mhz, yes, i dont understand whats your prob with it ... the project needs someone to be responsible for it...
[02:02] <mhz> ogra: no problem at all
[02:02] <ogra> so thats why jane asked if you take that responsibility
[02:02] <mhz> just ignorant about ubuntu procedures
[02:02] <mhz> I can take responsibilities, no problem
[02:03] <mhz> wondering if organizing group work means I also have to crate a group in LaunchPad? or it is only needed via wiki, etc.
[02:03] <ogra> since the packages will be separate for now (or do you think you can make it in the next 6 weeks before UVF ?) i dont think you need to match any ubuntu procedures yet
[02:04] <ogra> it would be cool to have a launchpad team for it ...
[02:04] <ogra> so you can track who is committed to the project
[02:04] <mhz> oohh, I see. That info I didnt know it.
[02:04] <mhz> LP/ yup, i thought so but I had to ask before, or no?
[02:04] <ogra> upstream version freeze means there will be no new upstream versions of packages
[02:05] <ogra> this is around mid/end of january ... i'd have to look it up in the release schadule, there is the xact date
[02:05] <mhz> okis, so I have more info for my talk now.
[02:05] <mhz> thx for clarifying that to me
[02:06] <mhz> BTW, edubuntu was 57 yeasterday at distrowathc :(
[02:06] <ogra> we are fully bound to the ubuntu release schedule ...
[02:06] <mhz> no problem, I think it has its positiveness
[02:06] <mhz> ogra: have a nice day
[02:06] <mhz> bye
[02:07] <ogra> you too :)
[03:38] <lucasvo> why is kubuntu-artwork-usplash a dependency of kubuntu-desktop?
[03:39] <crimsun> -ECHANNEL?
[03:39] <lucasvo> I want to have edubuntu usplash and not kubuntu, how can I set the bootsplash?
[03:39] <lucasvo> crimsun: ?
[03:39] <crimsun> install edubuntu-artwork-usplash
[03:39] <ogra> lucasvo, sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r`
[03:40] <ogra> after installing edubuntu-artwork-usplash indeed
[03:40] <crimsun> yep, gotta run that step
[03:41] <ogra> there was no usplash upgrade option in breezy and reconfiguring linux-image from another package on upgrades is evil ... so you have to run it manually ...
[03:41] <lucasvo> ogra: the problem is I installed the kubunut-desktop because I would like to have kde but I can't remove kubuntu-artwork-usplash...
[03:41] <ogra> dapper has a usplash upgrade option without touching the linux-image package
[03:41] <lucasvo> lucasvo@lama:~$ dpkg --list | grep usplash
[03:41] <lucasvo> ii  edubuntu-artwork-usplash               0.1.0-9                            edubuntu artwork for usplash
[03:41] <lucasvo> ii  kubuntu-artwork-usplash                5.10-19                            kubuntu artwork for usplash
[03:41] <lucasvo> ii  usplash                                0.1-22                             Userspace bootsplash utility
[03:41] <lucasvo> lucasvo@lama:~$
[03:41] <ogra> just remove kubuntu-artwork-usplash
[03:42] <ogra> it does no harm...
[03:42] <lucasvo> I last installed kubuntu-artwork-usplash and I can't remove it because it is a dependancy of kubuntu-desktop
[03:42] <lucasvo> and I want kde
[03:42] <lucasvo> lucasvo@lama:~$ sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-artwork-usplash
[03:42] <lucasvo> Reading package lists... Done
[03:42] <lucasvo> Building dependency tree... Done
[03:42] <lucasvo> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[03:42] <lucasvo>   kubuntu-artwork-usplash kubuntu-desktop
[03:42] <lucasvo> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[03:43] <ogra> thats fine
[03:43] <crimsun> you only need to install edubuntu-artwork-usplash and execute the dpkg-reconfigure command that ogra gave you
[03:43] <ogra> you wont loose kde
[03:43] <lucasvo> so what is kubuntu-desktop?
[03:43] <ogra> a metapackage
[03:43] <crimsun> (like edubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop)
[03:43] <ogra> it only cares for pulling in all the kde stuff
[03:43] <lucasvo> aha
[03:43] <lucasvo> ok
[03:44] <ogra> you might need it if you onceupgrade the complete system to the next release, but until then its useless
[03:44] <lucasvo> ogra: ok
[03:44] <ogra> as well as the other -desktop packages ..
[03:44] <lucasvo> ogra: what is release of edubuntu dapper?
[03:44] <ogra> ?
[03:45] <lucasvo> when will it be released?
[03:45] <ogra> april
[03:45] <lucasvo> s/what/when/g
[03:45] <lucasvo> ogra: no exact date available/
[03:45] <ogra> we always release in april and october
[03:45] <ogra> look at the release schedule on the iki... i cant remember from the top of my head
[03:45] <ogra> *wiki
[03:46] <lucasvo> ok
[03:47] <lucasvo> ogra: is dapper available for non-developers as an image or package server?
[03:47] <ogra> sure, but you dont want to try it yet :)
[03:48] <lucasvo> ogra: whats wrong?
[03:48] <ogra> you can either change your repositorys to upgrade to dapper ... or grab an image from cdimage.ubuntu.com
[03:48] <ogra> kernel and hardware detection changes for example
[03:49] <ogra> the bootprocess gets reworked completely...
[03:49] <ogra> if you dont know how to solve problems on a very low level you wont be able to boot at one point etc ... if aou feel confident you can work around bugs and breakage, try it ;)
[03:51] <lucasvo> hm miuubuntu ist stalled on dapper roadmap :(
[03:54] <ogra> whats miuubuntu
[03:54] <ogra> ?
[03:58] <lucasvo> ogra: I don't know how to make the "miu" on my keyboard
[03:59] <ogra> you mean micro ?
[03:59] <lucasvo> ogra: yes
[03:59] <lucasvo> the greek letter miu
[03:59] <ogra> thats idling since hoary ...
[03:59] <lucasvo> ogra: yes too bad
[03:59] <ogra> i dont think anybody has time for it ...
[03:59] <lucasvo> is there any way how to speed it up as a normal user?
[04:00] <ogra> develop it ;)
[04:00] <lucasvo> ogra: not as a developer
[04:00] <ogra> find developers doing it for you would be the alternative then :)
[04:01] <lucasvo> ogra: make a bounty?
[04:01] <ogra> if you have the money :)
[04:02] <lucasvo> ogra: I don't
[04:02] <lucasvo> ogra: makr shuttleworth has it :D
[04:02] <ogra> he would bounty it if he would like to put money in it :)
[04:02] <lucasvo> ogra: too bad that normal users don't write bugreports
[04:03] <lucasvo> one should make it more easy
[04:03] <ogra> we have 20000 bugs in bugzilla... do you think they are only written by developers ?
[04:03] <ogra> normally normal users write bugreports :)
[04:05] <Yagisan> lucasvo: I write bug reports
[04:06] <Yagisan> lucasvo: and occasionally, the patch that fixes it too. I'm just a "normal" user
[04:06] <lucasvo> Yagisan: I do as well,
[04:06] <lucasvo> but my sister doesn't :D
[04:07] <lucasvo> and I don't have time to teach her how to do it so one should make a guide
[04:08] <Yagisan> lucasvo: why ? click report a new bug, type description, click ok - how hard is that ?
[04:09] <Yagisan> mhz is gone now isn't he ?
[04:09] <lucasvo> Yagisan: say why one should report bugs, where one should report bugs etc.
[04:11] <ogra> Yagisan, yup... he does a presentation
[04:12] <Yagisan> ogra: thanks
[04:12] <Yagisan> lucasvo: Do we really need to state that if you don't report it, it won't be fixed ?
[04:13] <Yagisan> lucasvo: it is already documented on the ubuntu.com website
[04:25] <lucasvo> ogra: will you teacher administration panel applet work when you will release dapper?
[04:28] <ogra> depends how many people contribute to it
[04:28] <ogra> its not my main focus
[04:28] <lucasvo> is there any way how to open rar files with archivmanager?
[04:29] <juliux> lucasvo, you have to install unrar i think
[04:29] <ogra> most likely unrar-nonfree from multiverse
[04:31] <lucasvo> juliux: thanls
[04:31] <lucasvo> thanks
[04:31] <juliux> lucasvo, np
[06:22] <lucasvo> I would like to have openmosix on ltsp client's
[06:22] <lucasvo> :D
[06:23] <lucasvo> if you want to migrate from normal client structure to ltsp you want to keep your old powerful hardware and use it, you don't want to buy a new server...
[06:24] <ogra> currently we have some rather basic tasks to do... things like clustering have no high priority yet...
[06:24] <ogra> thats a dapper+1 thing ...
[06:52] <lucasvo> ogra: are there any dapper+1 name proposals?
[06:53] <ogra> nope, not yet
[06:53] <ogra> nobody thinks about dapper+1 now :)
[06:53] <lucasvo> ogra: a friend has a working openmosix & ltsp server client environnment, but with debian kernel 2.4
[06:54] <ogra> thats no option... we'll never use 2.4
[06:56] <lucasvo> ogra: I first have to try out how to build a normal kernel before building one with openmosix
[06:57] <ogra> you use kernel-package for ubuntu kernels
[06:58] <lucasvo> ogra: you mean the source?
[06:59] <ogra> nope, the package kernel-package has all the tools you need to build a package with the kernel for ubuntu
[06:59] <ogra> i.e. make-kpkg which is the most essential part
[07:02] <lucasvo> ogra: when I build my own ltsp kernel, I can disable scsi and ide/sata?
[07:02] <lucasvo> to speed up booting?
[07:02] <ogra> doesnt matter if you have no ide controller the modules wont get loaded anyway ...
[07:03] <ogra> and note that building a kernel right that even works with initramfs is non-trivial ...
[07:03] <lucasvo> non-trivial, I don't understand?
[07:03] <ogra> afaik openmosix doesnt work with 2.6 at all... but i might be wrong
[07:03] <ogra> its a task *i* wouldnt do
[07:04] <lucasvo> ogra:it says avaible from CVS
[07:04] <lucasvo> ogra: but isn't there already the configure-file from the actual kernel in the fs?
[07:05] <ogra> sure
[07:05] <ogra> so you can look up whats built in
[07:11] <lucasvo> ogra: I thought one can copy it to current kernel source and than use make-xconf or whatever it is called, to adjust it?
[07:11] <ogra> sure
[07:12] <ogra> but you should use make-kpkg to create a linux-image package ... else you wont get it working with ubuntus initramfs
[07:30] <thak> anyone have any thoughts on what to look for when my thin clients can't even get an ip address from my edubuntu ltsp server?
[08:11] <littlepaul> question about https://wiki.ubuntu.com//LTSPHowTo <- is this howto not obsolete now?
[08:12] <ogra> not for warty and hoary
[08:13] <ogra> but it should be noted in red and 48pt bold letters that itsn not for > hoary
[08:13] <littlepaul> ogra you mean breezy? :)
[08:13] <ogra> i meant bigger than hoary
[08:14] <littlepaul> k
[08:14] <ogra> ;)
[08:14] <littlepaul> ok; breezy uses ltsp  4.13 right?
[08:14] <ogra> sorry ... programmer
[08:14] <ogra> nope
[08:14] <lucasvo> my mouse on ltsp client doesn't work anymore :(
[08:14] <ogra> breezy uses its own implementation
[08:15] <littlepaul> i know but which version is this? Or do you have another number convention?
[08:15] <ogra> yes, breezy ltsp 0.58
[08:15] <littlepaul> ok
[08:16] <ogra> ltsp.org is adopting it as ltsp 4.2
[08:16] <littlepaul> so in near future the differences should be smaller between this implementations?
[08:16] <ogra> yes
[08:19] <littlepaul> i will try to write down some german answers - i kind of faq :) but I will need your help; I have read the logfiles of the last 3 weeks and found interesting some questions/answers
[08:20] <lucasvo> crap! I can't get my mouse on the client to work
[08:20] <ogra> what did you break ?
[08:27] <lucasvo> ogra: just made a new ltsp system
[08:28] <lucasvo> sudo ltsp-build-client
[08:37] <lucasvo> ogra: do you know what I could have done wrong?
[08:37] <lucasvo> ogra: reboot doesn't work
[08:38] <ogra> is the psmouse module loaded on the client ?
[08:38] <ogra> (you need to set a root pw in the chroot and log in on console)
[08:38] <lucasvo> ah yes exactly I need to do this
[08:39] <lucasvo> that's what I did last time
[08:39] <ogra> add psmouse to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/modules
[08:39] <ogra> but i still would like to know why its not getting loaded ...
[08:39] <ogra> must be a udev/hotplug bug
[08:40] <lucasvo> yes
[08:52] <AstroKing> I have a Grub question with Error 18.  I'm a newbie, just so you know.  Google said it's something to do with grub being installed beyond the last cylinder of the hard drive (this is an old 10 gig drive on a P2-400mhz.).  Is there any way to fix or move grub?  I've tried installing this twice and it's the same error.
[08:53] <ogra> change the LBA setting for your disk in the BIOS
[08:55] <AstroKing> Can you tell me what LBA stands for?
[08:57] <ogra> logical block adressing or something similar
[08:57] <AstroKing> in the BIOS it says size is 528 and cylinders 1024, head 16.  it's in AUTO mode, so i'm assuming it's detecting this correctly.
[09:00] <AstroKing> got it fixed!  i did change that setting but also used ultimate boot cd to reinstall grub.  it's booting up now..thanks a million, ogra.
[09:00] <ogra> :)
[09:01] <lucasvo> ogra: soon you are a millionaire
[09:01] <ogra> heh
[09:01] <ogra> nope i dont want to be one ...
[09:01] <AstroKing> too much taxes, lol
[09:02] <ogra> i work for one, thats enough ;)
[09:02] <lucasvo> ogra: communist?
[09:02] <lucasvo> ogra: lol
[09:03] <ogra> nope, but for a million you also have to do work for a million ...
[09:03] <lucasvo> ogra: that is true
[09:03] <lucasvo> ogra: like get out into space for affrica? :D
[09:04] <ogra> uuh, i wouldnt want that ... even if its exciting if mark talks about ...
[09:04] <ogra> if i could just beam into ISS i'd surely go :)
[09:09] <lucasvo> ogra: is it an unpleasant flight/
[09:09] <ogra> yes
[09:10] <ogra> and i got enough with flying to all these conferences
[09:10] <ogra> i'm not a big fly fan....
[09:10] <ogra> neither of the insects nor of the activity
[09:11] <lucasvo> ogra: you go to conferences in london?
[09:12] <ogra> the edubuntu summit was there ... beginnig of the year
[11:32] <Lord_Athur> heyhi
[11:32] <Lord_Athur> :)
[11:33] <Lord_Athur> does anyone have a soures list for edubuntu breezy?
[11:37] <Lord_Athur>
[11:37] <Lord_Athur> come on!
[11:37] <bluefrog-10> same as ubuntu
[11:37] <Lord_Athur> but
[11:38] <Lord_Athur> with the default lista of sources I cannot install any programs
[11:38] <bluefrog-10> and what is your default?
[11:38] <Lord_Athur> mmm
[11:39] <Lord_Athur> do I write to you a copy of the breezy sources list ?
[11:39] <bluefrog-10> synaptic > repositories shows what?
[11:40] <bluefrog-10> pastebin.com
[11:40] <Lord_Athur> ok
[11:41] <littlepaul> bluefrog-10, I read you have made a bash script with menus to install/configure apt-proxy. Can I have a look at it?
[11:41] <bluefrog-10> sending it to you...
[11:42] <bluefrog-10> littlepaul, accept the file works or not?
[11:43] <littlepaul> bluefrog-10, pls send it to littlepaul AT 110-support.de; it didn't worked
[11:43] <bluefrog-10> i paste it to pastebin.com
[11:43] <littlepaul> k
[11:43] <bluefrog-10> just put it in a file and make u+x
[11:44] <littlepaul> thx
[11:45] <bluefrog-10> http://pastebin.com/439106
[11:46] <littlepaul> got it; thx
[11:47] <bluefrog-10> hum hang on need to send it to u by mail apparently pastebin has a limitation on the number of lines...
[11:47] <bluefrog-10> don't see all the lines i have in my script
[11:49] <bluefrog-10> u should have it by mail by now...
[11:50] <littlepaul> got it; and now I'm also aware about this line limitation :)
[11:50] <bluefrog-10> just run the script, a menu will appear in your terminal, then it's pretty much straight forward..
[11:51] <bluefrog-10> it's not the best code written as 4 days before I didn't know anything about bash but so far it's working..
[11:52] <littlepaul> I will show this script to juliux; we are next week in Essen
[11:52] <bluefrog-10> littlepaul, and by the way any comment interests me (especially bad ones..)
[11:53] <juliux> littlepaul, which script?
[11:53] <bluefrog-10> as it is it's not finished as i need to implementsamb-ldap user management but didn't have time
[11:53] <littlepaul> the script I got a few minutes ago :) a bash script with menus to install/configure apt-proxy.
[11:53] <bluefrog-10> but every menu that is implemented so far works ok on a fresh install...
[11:54] <juliux> hm i don't need apt-proxy, i have a mirror in the lan
[11:55] <littlepaul> the scripts brings much more than apt-proxy :)
[11:55] <bluefrog-10> and i found out few days ago that i could do nice boxes with zenity so am going to do that when time will allow me..
[11:56] <littlepaul> yes zentiy is a nice thing
[11:56] <bluefrog-10> hum only samba-ldap (no ssl)
[11:56] <littlepaul> ok
[11:57] <bluefrog-10> if any can improve the samba-ldap to working with ssl (not difficult, i should have done it) but especially with tls (samba part), I'll be glad, I foun d a lot of theory everywhere on the web but no one with a working example
[11:58] <bluefrog-10> ldap ssl easy, samba tls another story (at least for me
[11:58] <littlepaul> :/
[11:59] <littlepaul> bluefrog-10, did ogra already  had look over your script?
[11:59] <bluefrog-10> i should have put a warning for apt-proxy, use a static address...
[12:00] <bluefrog-10> no
[12:00] <bluefrog-10> talk to him once that i waas doing something but he hasn't seen it
[12:01] <bluefrog-10> wanted to put it on wiki but i wanted to implement the samb-ldap user management before doing so to give people not a half finished samb-ldap implementation..
[12:02] <bluefrog-10> littlepaul, you can distribute it if u want it has been done for that purpose anyway...