[07:23] <Madpilot> EightBit: thought you were loading the LiveCD?
[07:23] <axis> tritium: which repository is it.. i've uncommented them all
[07:23] <Harold> Razor-X: Is QBasic a high-level language?
[07:23] <EightBit> no
[07:23] <EightBit> the install
[07:24] <Razor-X> The_Vox: nice, so you can attest to it's usefulness?
[07:24] <Razor-X> Harold: not at all
[07:24] <tritium> axis, it's in the main repo
[07:24] <Razor-X> that's why it's so useless
[07:24] <Orborde> The_Vox: I got a connection to the share by punching in the IP directly, but it still fails to appear in the network browser. A minor point, I suppose.
[07:24] <tritium> axis, have you done a "sudo apt-get update" first
[07:24] <axis> tritium: and i've upgraded/updated dist
[07:24] <Razor-X> go with C++ or C#
[07:24] <axis> yap
[07:24] <FlannelKing> Harold, yeah, take a look... here: http://relisoft.com/book/index.htm, free, online, quality, C++ book
[07:24] <tritium> axis, doesn't sound right....
[07:24] <Razor-X> I know C# is a M$ language, but I like it meself
[07:24] <Agrajag> I told you to try the liveCD first... So what do you mean by "windows came up blank"?
[07:24] <EightBit> not blank
[07:24] <EightBit> just
[07:24] <FlannelKing> Dont Touch C#
[07:24] <EightBit> nothing else happened
[07:24] <axis> tritium, : can you spit me the repository link.. main link?
[07:24] <EightBit> it just loaded as usual
[07:24] <EightBit> i will try the live
[07:25] <nickrud> axis, and I speak from excuciating experience, there is something wrong with /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:25] <Harold> Razor-X: I think high-level languages are ones you don't need to know much about programming to begin.  Low-level ones are like assembly language, I believe.  C is middle-level.
[07:25] <Agrajag> oh
[07:25] <The_Vox> Razor-X: I changed to dvorak a month before my already-scheduled wrist surgery for RSD...cancelled the surgery 3 days before it happened...been happy ever since
[07:25] <axis> tritium, : i didn't have my network instaled at boot time
[07:25] <Agrajag> You put the CD in and rebooted, and windows came up?
[07:25] <Agrajag> ok
[07:25] <Agrajag> first
[07:25] <FlannelKing> EightBit, do you have the cdrom installed earlier than the HD in the boot order?
[07:25] <Agrajag> burn the livecd
[07:25] <Agrajag> you don't want to install a new OS yet.
[07:25] <Razor-X> Harold: then, you'll be mighty confused when reading books ;)
[07:25] <axis> nickrud: i had a bad feeling about that
[07:25] <The_Vox> Orborde: on the network browser thing, I can't help...as I said, I've never used nautilus, so I have no clue at all about how to make it work
[07:25] <EightBit> what do you mean boot order?
[07:25] <Gatton> The_Vox, how long did it take you go get up to speed with Dvorak?
[07:25] <FlannelKing> Harold, C is still pretty low level
[07:25] <Razor-X> The_Vox: I learned Dvorak only to increase my speed
[07:25] <tritium> axis, there must be something wrong with your sources.list
[07:25] <Razor-X> worth it, a 30 WPM increase ;)
[07:25] <Agrajag> Next time you reboot, hit DEL to go into your bios setup, and change the boot order so your CD boots before the hard drive
[07:26] <axis> tritium, : where can i obtain an official copy?
[07:26] <FlannelKing> EightBit, but burn the liveCD first
[07:26] <Razor-X> only side effect, more wrist strain (I never touch-typed previously, but still did a nice speed pseudo-touchtyping)
[07:26] <nickrud> axis, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ExampleConffiles, use the better organized version
[07:26] <The_Vox> Gatton: a week to get usable speeds, 3 weeks to be as fast as I was on qwerty, a month and a half and I was 20WPM faster than on qwerty
[07:26] <EightBit> okay
[07:26] <tritium> thanks, nickrud
[07:26] <Razor-X> that's why I switched to a trackball, mice hurt my hands a plenty
[07:26] <EightBit> I am burning it
[07:26] <robotgeek> the thinking in c++ book by Eckel is also good
[07:26] <FlannelKing> Actually, the Dvorak/Qwerty difference is mythological as well
[07:26] <Harold> FlannelKing, Razor-X: So if I went ahead and learned C, would it be a good foundation for what I'll need to learn with C++?
[07:26] <Razor-X> and now, if I point-and-click too much, my hand cramps, too much keyboard/CLI usage
[07:26] <FlannelKing> Harold, it will be a detrement to you learning C++
[07:27] <Gatton> The_Vox, good to know. I have been wanting to switch over but am not looking forward to the transition period :)
[07:27] <The_Vox> Razor-X: that's the one change I've never been able to make...trackballs just drive me crazy
[07:27] <Razor-X> FlannelKing: then clearly explain why QWERTY the keys themselves are an advantage?
[07:27] <Orborde> Clearly.
[07:27] <robotgeek> I try to avoid the mouse. i try to stick to one, either the keyboard/mouse
[07:27] <nickrud> I cannot believe that someone had that same problem :)
[07:27] <Orborde> The_Vox: Okay. Well, I have most of what I want. For some reason, though, I can't write to the share folder.
[07:27] <FlannelKing> Harold, you're better off learning c++, which will teach you basically everything you need for C programming
[07:27] <hyphenated> Harold: C and C++ are about as similar as Java and Javascript
[07:27] <Harold> FlannelKing: Okay, thank you for your advice.
[07:27] <Razor-X> hyphenated: that's a bad example
[07:27] <hyphenated> Harold: which is to say.. not much
[07:27] <Razor-X> Harold: that's his decision
[07:27] <FlannelKing> hyphenated, thats completely wrong
[07:27] <Razor-X> I suggest C++, C# isn't bad, the former I prefer
[07:27] <The_Vox> Gatton: one recommendation: DO NOT SWITCH THE KEY CAPS OF YOUR KEYBOARD until you've learned dvorak...print the kboard layout and tape it somewhere you can see it with your head up...otherwise, you'll get in the habit of looking at the kboard while typing and that'll slow you dow
[07:28] <konki> how come ubuntu can't seem to get the numbers right??
[07:28] <EightBit> how is dvorak better?
[07:28] <The_Vox> Orborde: that's a permissions problem, needs to be fixed on the windows side
[07:28] <Razor-X> The_Vox: I never had the luxury of either, a la my dad
[07:28] <The_Vox> EightBit: better distribution of the keys
[07:28] <tritium> konki, meaning?
[07:28] <EightBit> ahh
[07:28] <EightBit> i tried it the other day
[07:28] <EightBit> very confusing the first time
[07:28] <Orborde> The_Vox: Except that I set it to "full permissions" pending a password.
[07:28] <hyphenated> FlannelKing: there's a similar name, and some similar syntax, but that's about it
[07:28] <FlannelKing> Razor-X, I never said they were an advantage, but theyre both about the same, there is no speed increase for one or the other, especially if youre coding
[07:28] <Razor-X> EightBit: it's better adapted to the English alphabet
[07:28] <EightBit> ah
[07:29] <Harold> Razor-X, FlannelKing, hyphenated : I guess I'll have to get another book, then.   Well it's grabbing alot more now..  I hope this fixes ..  thanks for the tip,. HiP!
[07:30] <nickrud> ColonelKernel, the whole device stack: udev, hal, etc depends on hotplug, which is the current module loader.
[07:30] <tritium> konki, oh, that
[07:30] <bojangles> Agrajag, but anyway..yes it is unfortanate if you actually have to pay for a gpl CD.....but if you get one....you are free to make millions of copies and give them to all your friends.
[07:30] <ColonelKernel> nickrud, how do I keep so many modules from loading then?
[07:30] <FlannelKing> Razor-X, fine, let me dig up references, if you insist on being fickle
[07:30] <robotgeek> Razor-X: java sucks...(on a ppc)
[07:30] <bojangles> Agrajag, but make sure you don't confuse gpl with opensource
[07:30] <Razor-X> Dvorak helps, but only as much as your hand-eye coordination lets you
[07:30] <Razor-X> robotgeek: exactly
[07:31] <axis> ColonelKernel: edit /etc/modules.conf
[07:31] <Razor-X> FlannelKing: and I probably have counterreferences
[07:31] <Agrajag> what are you talking about
[07:31] <Agrajag> gpl is an open-source license
[07:31] <konki> The_Vox, now i try to get extensions and it firefox always take me to the stupid upgrade room...
[07:31] <The_Vox> FlannelKing: I went from 70WPM to 90WPM when I switched...it *may* be better typing habits (I did force myself to use a better posture while learning and so on and so forth) but I *did* see increase.
[07:31] <ColonelKernel> axis, theres things loading that arent in that
[07:31] <The_Vox> konki: poor you
[07:31] <Razor-X> bojangles: GPL makes something Open-Source
[07:31] <bojangles> Agrajag, again...that is open source way of hiding the benefits of gpl....and diminishing their importance
[07:31] <Orborde> The_Vox: Sadly, the Windows machine is the one I'm on now.
[07:31] <konki> people in mepis said their pkg has 1.0.5 why not us... i taught we are the best??
[07:31] <nickrud> ColonelKernel, look over the modules you have loaded, then use /etc/hotplug/blacklist to drop the ones you don't want. Hotplug is pretty smart on my machine
[07:31] <axis> ColonelKernel,  /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[07:31] <bojangles> Agrajag, don't confuse the issue...either gpl or not
[07:31] <Razor-X> The_Vox: I could do 90 on QWERTY, now I can do a nice, thrumming, 110, with a max of 120
[07:32] <ColonelKernel> nickrud, thank you
[07:32] <Agrajag> You're confusing me
[07:32] <Razor-X> ;)
[07:32] <Razor-X> bojangles: what _are_ the benefits?
[07:32] <bojangles> Agrajag, let me give you one example....suppose i say Greece is just a part of Europe
[07:32] <oga> bwa ha ha ha..... for anybody that ever wants to force their network speed to a certain speed (10mb/100mb) use mii-tool be aware that you may have to manually assign an IP
[07:32] <Razor-X> tritium: there's no-one really asking questions here ;)
[07:32] <konki> :( UBUNTU firefox.... praise mepis... someone fix the pkg...
[07:32] <bojangles> Agrajag, still don't confuse Greece with Europe because Greece existed before Europe
[07:32] <axis> nickrud: thanks alot.. fixed me good
[07:32] <Razor-X> konki: compile away
[07:32] <Agrajag> What
[07:33] <Razor-X> bojangles: other than that?
[07:33] <The_Vox> Razor-X: I've never been that fast...wish I was :)
[07:33] <tritium> konki, the 1.0.2 packages actually had the 1.0.4 fixes in them
[07:33] <Razor-X> don't confuse BASH with SH, because SH existed before BASH? ;)
[07:33] <nickrud> axis, I do not want to go into why I understood your problem :)
[07:33] <Agrajag> Will your next simile involve an emu, 5 ducks, and an umbrella?
[07:33] <Razor-X> The_Vox: probably because i'm younger and my limbs are more limber
[07:33] <tritium> konki, 1.0.5 is buggy, and 1.0.6 will be released soon, and then those fixes will go in too
[07:33] <robotgeek> tritium: why did they not put in the vendor.sub to 1.0.4?
[07:33] <bojangles> Razor-X, well suppose you are a large corporation and you want to be able to distribute thousands of CDs for everone of your people for free
[07:33] <tritium> !firefox
[07:33] <ubotu> Firefox on warty is version 1.0.4 backported.  To install themes from addons.mozilla.org, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4"
[07:33] <The_Vox> Orborde: uhm...I have no other clues about how to go about your problem.
[07:33] <konki> yes it did.. but the number is different and it takes you to the same upgrade room
[07:33] <Razor-X> bojangles: so?
[07:33] <The_Vox> Razor-X: lol! probably :)
[07:33] <tritium> robotgeek, not sure
[07:33] <Razor-X> you don't have to make it free, you can charge as well
[07:33] <bojangles> Razor-X, and maybe even others....the gpl...not opensource gives you this right.
[07:33] <axis> nickrud: lol.. i'm curious now.. evil support staff? hehe ..  wacky.. anyways it's installing now..  .. :D
[07:34] <tritium> konki, see that ubotu response about firefox above
[07:34] <Razor-X> bojangles: Open Source is a property, GPL is a license
[07:34] <Razor-X> GPL grants an intellectual property the property of Open Source
[07:34] <bojangles> Razor-X, Open Source is a mixture of licenses....not a property
[07:34] <konki> i bet when 1.0.6 is released we will have a 1.0.5 pkg... is there some kind of disagreement with ubuntu and firefox... i love firefox i think its the best browser
[07:34] <Razor-X> as does stuff like AFPL, and others
[07:35] <robotgeek> alrite ppl, night!
[07:35] <Razor-X> bojangles: read Richard Stallman's "The Free Software Movement"
[07:35] <nickrud> axis, to give the dime store answer, I bragged, and got flagged :)
[07:35] <EightBit> okay, something happened
[07:35] <Razor-X> konki: doesen't every Firefox fanboy? ;)
[07:35] <EightBit> i hit delete
[07:35] <bojangles> Razor-X, i have read it enough...and seen enough...you read unrestricted redistribution and all that implies.
[07:35] <EightBit> and everything was blank
[07:35] <konki> ubotu, i already have 1.0.4 i want 1.0.5 just the number i know the bugs on this pkg are fixed
[07:35] <ubotu> konki: what are you talking about?
[07:35] <axis> nickrud,   Haaa!
[07:35] <EightBit> can't I just make a partition and install it there?
[07:35] <Agrajag> everything was blank?
[07:36] <axis> lol
[07:36] <axis> sh!t
[07:36] <EightBit> yeah
[07:36] <EightBit> nothing happened
[07:36] <EightBit> just a black screen
[07:36] <FlannelKing> EightBit, no, you need to chagne your boot order, or you'll never get to the CD
[07:36] <Agrajag> EightBit: yo need to boot from the CD to install or run the LiveCD
[07:36] <FlannelKing> EightBit, youll need to get into your BIOS menu
[07:36] <EightBit> how?
[07:36] <axis> eight:  smash "delete" "f1" "f2 "f10"
[07:36] <Razor-X> GNU GPL has a restriction
[07:36] <EightBit> right when it starts up?
[07:36] <axis> EightBit, : all in that order
[07:36] <axis> yes
[07:36] <Razor-X> you may not charge money for the program itself (IIRC)
[07:36] <Harold> I gotta say I just love this channel.
[07:36] <axis> it'll bring you into bios
[07:36] <axis> if you change anything
[07:36] <axis> other then "boot order"
[07:36] <Razor-X> calling it unrestricted is sacrilege
[07:36] <digitalfox> Raptoid, but you can charge for support or the media
[07:37] <axis> you will F**k your computer
[07:37] <Harold> #Ubuntu is awesome!
[07:37] <EightBit> be right back
[07:37] <bojangles> Razor-X, you can TRY....repeat TRY....repeat after me ....TRY
[07:37] <Orborde> The_Vox: Thanks for your help. I'm going to BED.
[07:37] <EightBit> i gotta write this doen
[07:37] <axis> EightBit, : most likely
[07:37] <Razor-X> bojangles: you can try what?
[07:37] <axis> EightBit: it's booting from floppy
[07:37] <axis> EightBit: it's booting from floppy: then HD
[07:37] <Toasta> anyone know where i can get a good driver for radeon
[07:37] <bojangles> Razor-X, but if anyone else gets your program they have the right to distribute it for free and nobody is going to pay you anything.
[07:37] <Madpilot> !ati
[07:37] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:37] <FlannelKing> EightBit, you'll want to change it to floppy, CD, then HD
[07:37] <axis> EightBit: Change it to "CD-ROM"    then "harddrive
[07:37] <Madpilot> Toasta: see the URL ubotu just posted
[07:38] <bojangles> Razor-X, so repeat after me....you can TRY to charge...ok
[07:38] <Harold> FlannelKing, Razor-X : So what's your opinion of the best C++ compiler for Linux, then?
[07:38] <Agrajag> gcc
[07:38] <Agrajag> what else would you use?
[07:38] <Razor-X> bojangles: charging has nothing to do with open-source
[07:38] <EightBit> thanks
[07:38] <EightBit> okay
[07:38] <Harold> Agrajag: Isn't there a g++?
[07:38] <Agrajag> IS there anything else?
[07:38] <EightBit> i will try this out now
[07:38] <axis> FlannelKing, : who needs to boot off floppy?"
[07:38] <Agrajag> g++ is just a script that calls gcc, I believe
[07:38] <Razor-X> are you saying that GPL is the only OSS license that allows you to change money?
[07:38] <konki> if 1.0.6 is released they better make the name right and not "fox package provided by Ubuntu Linux""hey did not update the version number" http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/upgrade/?id=864
[07:39] <axis> FlannelKing, : i've disabled my floppy drive.. i only unfortunately needed one for windows, to install onto an sATA device
[07:39] <FlannelKing> axis, who cares? It wont hurt anything being in there, and is good incase he needs to use a boot disk
[07:39] <axis> EightBit, : good luck
[07:39] <tritium> konki, lighten up, dude
[07:39] <Mestapheles> do I have to pin the warty kernel when upgrading to hoary if I want to keep it??
[07:39] <axis> FlannelKing: true, true enough
[07:39] <Harold> Agrajag: I'm currently using gcc
[07:39] <axis> FlannelKing: good point [=
[07:39] <axis> i hope that lil guy makes it
[07:39] <Agrajag> if you're using c++, you shuld call it with g++, not gcc
[07:39] <axis> lol
[07:39] <nickrud> Mestapheles, no, the kernel will never be upgraded without your direct intervention
[07:39] <cafuego> Mestapheles: If there is a newer kernel *with the same version* in hoary, yes.
[07:40] <Harold> Agrajag: I wonder if there are any other good c++ compilers for Linux?
[07:40] <cafuego> Mestapheles: That will not normally be the case, though.
[07:40] <Agrajag> why, what's wrong with g++?
[07:40] <konki> tritium, i know 1.0.6 will be released soon, so i'm cool until then i hope the name won't be 1.0.5
[07:40] <Agrajag> I doubt there is, unless Intel's compiler does c++
[07:40] <Harold> Agrajag: What's g++?
[07:40] <Mestapheles>  thanks
[07:40] <FlannelKing> Harold, there are, but there isnt any wrong with g++
[07:41] <tritium> konki, I understand, but it could be much worse of problem
[07:41] <cafuego> Harold: No matter how good the compiler, using a flawed language to begin with will affect the result either way.
[07:41] <Mestapheles> warty's kernel works better for me
[07:41] <axis> so .. is c, c++ and perl / cgi scripting still the goods
[07:41] <axis> or what
[07:41] <Jonas> HEllo everyone, just eard about Ubuntu and i have a short tek question...
[07:41] <axis> what's up in the world of programming today
[07:41] <Harold> cafuego: Hello again.  Which language is flawed, in your opinion?
[07:41] <cafuego> Harold: german
[07:41] <Razor-X> Harold: it's the official name for the GNU compiler that compiles C++
[07:41] <axis> Jonas: SHoot!
[07:41] <tritium> Jonas, what is it?
[07:42] <Razor-X> Harold: when it comes to languages and text editors, there comes a time when you must stop listening to people
[07:42] <Seveas> axis, replace perl with python
[07:42] <Razor-X> things like these produce huge conflicts
[07:42] <Seveas> Razor-X, true, true :))
[07:42] <Agrajag> and replace python with ruby
[07:42] <Razor-X> just know the purpose of various languages, and their syntax, and shoot a dart at the wall
[07:42] <Seveas> Agrajag, not until Ubuntu updates ruby :)
[07:42] <Harold> Razor-X: I suspect that's true.  Still, I'm interested in listening to *some* opinions before deciding, you know?
[07:42] <tritium> we don't really want a language war
[07:42] <Jonas> thanks :D i have 1 HD, 2 partition, if i install ubuntu will it format c and d and if only C will D be accesible ?
[07:42] <Razor-X> Harold: clearly you started several personal jihads ;)
[07:42] <konki> tritium, i just want the extension "torrentbar" to dL my porn and stuffs
[07:42] <axis> Seveas: Python ended up taking off eh? cool .. that's kind of sad for me though, i've ended up learning a bit of perl ...
[07:43] <Harold> Razor-X: Sorry, I didn't mean to.
[07:43] <Agrajag> well, it's not like perl stopped working
[07:43] <Agrajag> perl 6 should be along... someday
[07:43] <tritium> Jonas, oh, I thought you literally had questions about TeX...
[07:43] <Harold> Razor-X: I was surprised to hear that c++ is better to learn than c.
[07:43] <axis> Seveas: would you happen to have a good link to  a python resource
[07:43] <Seveas> Harold, you will get lots of different opinions, mostly depending on personal preferences and needs. You must find a language that matches your preferences and needs
[07:43] <Jonas> hehe no im a nooby
[07:43] <FlannelKing> especially considering Hosting providers still only run perl on their servers
[07:43] <Razor-X> Harold: C++, C#, C, and Obj C, are nice languages
[07:43] <tritium> konki, okay then
[07:43] <Seveas> axis, /usr/share/doc/diveintopython
[07:43] <Razor-X> C++ is the object oriented version of C with other additions
[07:43] <Seveas> installed by default on Ubuntu
[07:43] <axis> jonas: no man that's easy
[07:44] <axis> Jonas: when you go to install of the cd
[07:44] <Harold> Seveas: Hey there, Seveas.  Finally got my wireless going on this *old* Mac PowerBook.
[07:44] <nickrud> Razor-X, call them dialects, it's more accurate I would think
[07:44] <Razor-X> C# is an overhaul of C++ with a stricter Object Oriented goal
[07:44] <Toasta> if i already mucked it up by installing another driver how do i revert to the original one my ubuntu install came with
[07:44] <Seveas> Razor-X, objective C is crap...
[07:44] <Razor-X> nickrud: true that
[07:44] <Seveas> Harold, nice!
[07:44] <FlannelKing> C# is bloatware
[07:44] <axis> it asks you to use the partition manager manually, or use the whole hard drive
[07:44] <Seveas> nickrud, c# is in no way a dialect of C
[07:44] <axis> Jonas, :  you can easily delete your other partition
[07:44] <cafuego> and C++ is crudware
[07:44] <Seveas> nickrud, it's more like java
[07:44] <Razor-X> Obj C is a C derivative with Object Oriented-ness, I can't attest to the differences between it and C++ as I don't know them
[07:44] <cafuego> !start a language war
[07:44] <ubotu> German is better than Perl!
[07:44] <Seveas> lol
[07:44] <axis> Jonas, : and keep your other drive intact.. but *nix only READS ntfs, will R/W FAT32 if i'm not mistaken
[07:44] <FlannelKing> hahaha
[07:45] <Jonas> axis:but it wont erase the second partition if i dont ask it too right ?
[07:45] <Razor-X> Java is a language whose original goal was total portability... that failed miserably
[07:45] <Seveas> ubotu, so true :)
[07:45] <ubotu> No idea, Seveas
[07:45] <Harold> Razor-X: I've been hearing this "Object Oriented" phrase for years, never really understanding its meaning.
[07:45] <Razor-X> Harold: ahhh!
[07:45] <nickrud> Seveas, my experience with that died a while ago, I'm just trying to kill the traffic
[07:45] <Gatton> Esperanto!
[07:45] <Quest-Master> Harold: One word-- Python.
[07:45] <Razor-X> well, in the programming world, you can group things in different ways
[07:45] <axis> Jonas: You'll have two options when you come to that
[07:45] <Agrajag> Lojban!!!
[07:45] <FlannelKing> Harold, you'll understand when you learn an OO language
[07:45] <axis> Jonas, : Format and use ENTIRE partition
[07:45] <Razor-X> Object Orientation is a different concept-model
[07:45] <tritium> Harold, it really does depend on your needs.
[07:45] <Quest-Master> Urdu/Hindi > German AND Esperanto
[07:45] <shadowjack> if i download a source package using "apt-get source $package" where does it download the source to?
[07:45] <axis> Jonas, : or "select individual partitions"
[07:45] <Quest-Master> :)
[07:45] <Razor-X> by using specific constructs called Objects, and properties of the Objects themselves, you can organize things
[07:46] <axis> Jonas: Just delete your c: partition, and then automatically assign free space
[07:46] <Razor-X> and also make things more portable from program to program
[07:46] <axis> Jonas, : it's really easy
[07:46] <Seveas> OO is nice
[07:46] <konki> tritium, can i fix the firefox bug with bugzilla??
[07:46] <axis> Jonas: Ubuntu has a VERY nice parition manager
[07:46] <Jonas> axis: thanks a lot bud,  i was just scared it wouldnt recognise or erase the other part
[07:46] <Harold> Razor-X: I take it these "objects" are pre-constructed modules, so to speak?
[07:46] <tritium> konki, it's a known issue
[07:46] <cafuego> Seveas: When it's implemneted properly, sure
[07:46] <Agrajag> shadowjack: probably somewhere under /var/cache/apt
[07:46] <Razor-X> Harold: yeah
[07:46] <Seveas> Harold, no
[07:46] <cafuego> Seveas: VBScript
[07:46] <axis> Jonas, : no worries, good luck with the install [=
[07:46] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, any idea when linux-restricted-modules will be added for 2.6.12 in breezy
[07:46] <oompa> Hi. Can anyone help me mount my ntfs hard drives in Ubuntu?
[07:46] <tritium> shadowjack, in the current directory
[07:46] <Seveas> Harold, you can construct them yourself :)
[07:46] <Seveas> oompa: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[07:46] <dataw0lf-> good evenin' gents.
[07:47] <Jonas> thanks again and i cant wait to get rid of window :
[07:47] <Seveas> cafuego, stop swearing please :)
[07:47] <Razor-X> you can construct your own objects with its own variables, functions, and such
[07:47] <shadowjack> tritium, what current directory?
[07:47] <axis> Jonas: me either.. lol.. i'm slowly implementing linux into my families world now thanks to kubuntu
[07:47] <Toasta> how do i reconfigure my video to use the original driver?
[07:47] <Razor-X> languages come with predefined functions -- but the power of OO is personal creation of objects
[07:47] <Seveas> but yeah, the only really nice implementation of OO is python imho
[07:47] <oompa> Seveas: How?
[07:47] <tritium> shadowjack, .
[07:47] <Seveas> oompa, download it and read it, there are instructions inside the file
[07:48] <tritium> shadowjack, whichever directory you're currently in
[07:48] <Harold> Python; that's a scripting language, correct?
[07:48] <shadowjack> tritium, i see
[07:48] <cafuego> Seveas: I like the Java one
[07:48] <FlannelKing> yes Harold
[07:48] <tritium> Harold, yes.
[07:48] <axis> Jonas: there's software called "vmware" that's not too dificult to setup, if you need windows, you can run it inside of that.. I think there are a couple other free alternatives too
[07:48] <Seveas> Harold, python is more than that
[07:48] <dataw0lf-> Harold: all purpose language.
[07:48] <Seveas> cafuego, that's not too bad either. I just hate java :)
[07:48] <dataw0lf-> Python is influenced heavily by both OOP and functional languages.
[07:48] <Seveas> or actually, sun
[07:48] <cafuego> Seveas: <heh>
[07:48] <Harold> Is it wise to first learn C/C++ before turning to Python?
[07:48] <vladuz> The_Vox: you know how to chang the keyboard mapping for dvorak in ubuntu?
[07:48] <dataw0lf-> Harold: Yes.
[07:48] <jasoncohen> oompa, sure, it's easy
[07:48] <Razor-X> Harold: Python is a nice scripting language that can do many things
[07:48] <FlannelKing> dataw0lf, its still a scripting language,
[07:48] <cafuego> Seveas: That's a different issue, though ;-)
[07:48] <Seveas> Harold, that's not neccessary
[07:48] <Dr_Willis> I tend to do.. "Oops" prgraming....  :P
[07:49] <jasoncohen> oompa, you just need to know the partition. use sudo fdisk -l to find out
[07:49] <Razor-X> Harold: you almost never have to learn prerequisites in programming
[07:49] <Dr_Willis> 'did my program really do that?' :P
[07:49] <dataw0lf-> FlannelKing: No, you're confusing 'scripting' language with 'interpreted' language.
[07:49] <Razor-X> just sit down with a good tutorial, and there you are
[07:49] <tritium> Harold, again, it depends on your needs.  For some, it makes sense to learn assembly, then C.
[07:49] <Seveas> Dr_Willis, lol :)
[07:49] <shadowjack> tritium, is there a place it should be? i mean, it looks like it downloaded in my home directory
[07:49] <Gatton> Have been thinking of playing around with Python as my first language. At least to learn some concepts
[07:49] <dataw0lf-> 'scripting' language is a catchall for people who don't usually know what they mean.
[07:49] <Jonas> axis, kewl i think i will get going and install right away ! have a good night !
[07:49] <bojangles> Razor-X, again...listen to me carefully...opensource is a mixture of licenses...such as Mozilla License just for one....the source is open but not free
[07:49] <shadowjack> tritium, and i'm assuming it shouldn't be there
[07:49] <tritium> shadowjack, if that's the directory where you called apt-get source, that's where it should have gone
[07:49] <Harold> dataw0lf-: This is true, since I know very little about all this.
[07:49] <Razor-X> bojangles: the property Open Source is that, the source of the program is distributed
[07:49] <jasoncohen> oompa, then you're going to add an entry in /etc/fstab like this "/dev/hda1  /mnt/windows  ntfs users,umask=000  0 0"
[07:49] <Razor-X> different licenses implement these in different ways
[07:50] <bojangles> Razor-X, now the gpl is the only license that protects and frees the code from the human beings.
[07:50] <Razor-X> bojangles: the AFPL isn't too bad at that either
[07:50] <rinke> Are here some Dutch people?
[07:50] <jasoncohen> oompa, replace /dev/hda1 with the correct partition and you'll need to do mkdir sudo /mnt/windows to create the dir
[07:50] <Razor-X> nor is the LGPL
[07:50] <Seveas> rinke, jazeker
[07:50] <jasoncohen> *sudo mkdir /mnt/windows
[07:50] <rinke> :D
[07:50] <Seveas> rinke, en in #ubuntu-nl nog meer
[07:50] <dataw0lf-> Harold: the string of Python is it's elegance, non-trickery, and inclusion of cool features from languages like Lisp, Smalltalk, and Haskell.
[07:50] <FlannelKing> dataw0lf, I agree it is an interpreted language, but it was originally designed (and still is) as a scripting language
[07:50] <rinke> Oke bedankt
[07:50] <Razor-X> Harold: IMO, the only real choices you have are C++, C, and Python
[07:51] <Seveas> FlannelKing, it is not a pure interpreted language
[07:51] <Razor-X> but there are niches here-and-there
[07:51] <EightBit> okay, that didn't work either
[07:51] <EightBit> it just ignores the CD
[07:51] <Seveas> and definitely not just scripting
[07:51] <tritium> Razor-X, depends on the person's needs
[07:51] <FlannelKing> EightBit, you're not configuring your boot order in your bios correctly then
[07:51] <Seveas> Razor-X, C# is growing fast
[07:51] <EightBit> do I need to make a partition?
[07:51] <dataw0lf-> FlannelKing: 'scripting language' is a confusing and rather vague term.
[07:51] <EightBit> i did configure it right
[07:51] <FlannelKing> EightBit, No, you just need to get it to boot of the CD
[07:51] <nickrud> well, this is better than arguing open source, I guess
[07:51] <dataw0lf-> FlannelKing: Python was created, basically, to be a successor to the ABC language.
[07:51] <EightBit> alright, i changed the order so it was
[07:51] <FlannelKing> EightBit, you burned the ISO and not just the files, right?
[07:51] <Harold> Okay, everyone, I appreciate your help and advice.  I'm going to go resume my programming study.
[07:52] <Agrajag> wait
[07:52] <dataw0lf-> I can call C a scripting language if I want.
[07:52] <EightBit> Removable Devices, CD-Rom, Hard Drive, and Network
[07:52] <tritium> dataw0lf, but it's compiled
[07:52] <shadowjack> tritium, will there be problems if i move it to another directory?
[07:52] <Agrajag> what shows up on the CD when you put it in and look in windows explorer?
[07:52] <Harold> So I guess I should be learning FORTRAN, then, right?
[07:52] <tritium> shadowjack, nope, you'll be fine
[07:52] <Harold> LOL
[07:52] <dataw0lf-> tritium:  'scripting language' has nothing to do compilation.
[07:52] <FlannelKing> dataw0lf, python was originally designed as a scripting language
[07:52] <dataw0lf-> that's why you're getting it confused with 'interpreted'.
[07:52] <FlannelKing> tritium, thats interpreted
[07:53] <shadowjack> tritium, groovy. thanks :)
[07:53] <EightBit> it says
[07:53] <EightBit> the disk structure is corrupted and unreadable
[07:53] <tritium> dataw0lf, FlannelKing ok...
[07:53] <Agrajag> well then
[07:53] <EightBit> i thought that meant it couldn't read the .iso
[07:53] <Agrajag> wait
[07:54] <Agrajag> on both CDs?
[07:54] <EightBit> yes
[07:54] <EightBit> lemme check the other one
[07:54] <Agrajag> that would explain why they're not booting
[07:54] <Seveas> lol, FORTRAN
[07:55] <tritium> believe it or not, lots of scientific code is still implemented in fortran
[07:55] <Seveas> tritium, I know
[07:56] <Seveas> I work at the math/CS lab on a university
[07:56] <Seveas> but that still does not mean it doesn't suck donkey balls :)
[07:56] <rinke> Seveas daar zijn geen opt's
[07:56] <tritium> Seveas, I don't like it either :)
[07:56] <Oompa> Thank you Seveas
[07:57] <Seveas> rinke, opt's?
[07:57] <pax> Seveas: wher teh hell have you been!
[07:57] <EightBit> this one says the format is not recognized
[07:57] <Seveas> pax, right here :)
[07:57] <EightBit> but nonetheless it is an error message
[07:57] <pax> didnt see you for the past 3/4 days
[07:58] <tritium> Computer__Guru, yes, I have it installed on mine
[07:58] <EightBit> well, I got one more CD left
[07:58] <Seveas> pax, I had work to do (restyle my website, implement forum for #ubuntu-nl, setup an Ubuntu cluster)
[07:58] <EightBit> this one has to work
[07:58] <bimberi> Computer__Guru: Yes indeed - http://www.handhelds.org
[07:58] <pax> good man
[07:58] <Computer__Guru> tritium: phat
[07:59] <bojangles> Razor-X, well ok...just so you understand the gpl is the only license that protects and frees the code from the human being that invested all that time and money to write the code.
[07:59] <Computer__Guru> tritium, how's the X server? what WM do you run?
[07:59] <FlannelKing> bojangles, youre just hellbent, arent you?
[07:59] <nickrud> lol
[07:59] <bojangles> Razor-X, because if anyone gets a copy of your gpl program they can distribute it to the world for free an noone has to ever pay the author one dime.
[08:00] <tritium> Computer__Guru, I used opie, so it doesn't have X
[08:00] <Computer__Guru> so it's cli?
[08:00] <tritium> no, and if you use gpe, you can get X
[08:00] <bimberi> Computer__Guru: Mine has Familiar + Opie
[08:01] <tritium> Computer__Guru, check out http://www.handhelds.org, and see the familiar distribution, and then the GPE and Opie projects
[08:01] <Computer__Guru> i guess i'll have to look around and see what i wanna do by way of pda's
[08:01] <Oompa> Is anyone having problems connecting to AIM from GAIM?
[08:01] <Computer__Guru> Oompa, nope, im connected right now
[08:02] <bimberi> Oompa: same here - just connected ok
[08:02] <anacron> what is the advisable command to use searching files in terminal/unix
[08:02] <Seveas> anacron, slocate
[08:02] <anacron> thanks
[08:03] <Gatton> no...no ops? it'll be anarchy! ;)
[08:03] <tritium> Seveas, is here
[08:04] <Seveas> tritium, only for 20 minutes :)
[08:04] <Seveas> g2g2 work sson
[08:04] <tritium> Oh, okay.  Well, I've got to get some sleep.
[08:04] <tritium> Seveas, have a good day at work :)
[08:05] <Seveas> i will
[08:05] <anacron> i only ask my questions when seveas is around :D
[08:05] <Seveas> more cluster-geeking :)
[08:05] <Sponge_> where is the configuration file for realtime-lsm?
[08:06] <tritium> Good night, everyone.
[08:06] <nickrud> good night
[08:06] <Sponge_> CU
[08:06] <Seveas> Sponge_, dpkg -L realtime-lsm
[08:06] <nickrud> what a guy  :)
[08:06] <Sponge_> ok, I'll try that. Thx.
[08:08] <Bite_Me_Billy> Anyone know what a BDD is?  As in "For that , we have to go in vhcs2 DD, in the 'domain' table.  Change the value of the row named 'domain_status' (normally the value is ok)
[08:09] <Sponge_> Hell... Next time, I'll have to write somewhere that I gotta backup all my how-to stuff before reinstalling.
[08:10] <Sponge_> Listen to me god! - I've wiped out windows from my machine (hell - that's scary... where is nero?!?)
[08:10] <Sponge_> :P
[08:14] <oga> does anybody know why it sometimes takes forever to boot  at the stage * configuring network interfaces... is there a way to speed this part up?
[08:15] <Seveas> oga, not if it takes that long to configure your interface :)
[08:16] <oga> well maybe forever is a little bit of an exaggeration
[08:16] <bimberi> oga: if your network isn't connected it waits to time out
[08:16] <pax> oga, check /etc/network/interface maybe you have something not set right there
[08:16] <oga> can i reduce the timeout time?
[08:16] <oga> k
[08:17] <oga> it might be because it waits for first ethernet then wlan to time out
[08:17] <Seveas> heh, yeah
[08:17] <Seveas> remove thea auto **** lines from /etc/network/interfaces for interfaces that aren't always connected
[08:18] <pax> yes, usualy the hotplug hangs when you have one of your eth*s not set correctly
[08:18] <hyphenated> on my install, hotplug starts before networking
[08:18] <bimberi> I just hit <ctrl>C when I know it's trying an interface that's not connected
[08:19] <hyphenated> bimberi: me too.
[08:19] <oga> i didn't know you could do that on boot
[08:19] <oga> well now i do
[08:19] <bimberi> oga: yes - it's crappy - but it works
[08:19] <oga> i ahve to manually start it up atm anyways as i have to force speed settings then re-apply IP
[08:20] <bimberi> oga: then Seveas' solution will probably be better for you
[08:20] <pax> no doubt, what Seveas said. You either have both set to hdcp or the local got some weird setting.
[08:21] <oga> well the reason i have to force speeds is that autonegotiation will not work because i have a long cable attached to the pc/router....
[08:23] <pax> lame was removed from backports or what?
[08:23] <kevin06> This is not an Ubuntu question, but since I am building my new system to run Ubunut, I guess I should ask here. What would offer better proformance, 3 gigs of DDR2 at 266, or 2 at 400?
[08:24] <Madpilot> oga: how long? I'm on the far end of a fifty-foot cat5 here, with no problems
[08:24] <oga> bout that long i guess
[08:24] <oga> but it only works if i force autonegotion i don't know why
[08:24] <oga> i noticed in windows & it fixes the problem in ubuntu also
[08:25] <pax> kevin06: are you talking FSB or memory timing?
[08:26] <kevin06> Front side bus
[08:26] <kevin06> Well, actually. I am not sure, I don't know much about memory...
[08:26] <pax> well more is better, push FSB and lower multiplier
[08:27] <pax> kevin06: when you say 400 FSB is has nothing to do with memory timing unless you're saying you wanna have 266 with PC 3200 for exemple
[08:27] <oga> hey what's the deal with this "libncurses" synaptics says it's installed but when i ./configure it does not want to work
[08:28] <kevin06> pax, thanks. I am tossing around a few motherboard choices, and I have found many max at 2 gigs on 400, but also support up to 3 with 266, just wondering what would be best.
[08:29] <Computer__Guru> gods, i hate python
[08:29] <kevin06> oga, I don't have the funding yet, but the main feature of this will be upgradeablility.
[08:29] <oga> fair enough
[08:29] <pax> kev, to be honest, you're confusing the hell outta me. What's FSB has to do with memory slots?
[08:30] <kevin06> pax, I am sorry to be confusing. I am confused myself...
[08:30] <Computer__Guru> pax, how the fsb is setup has a lot to do with memory, as the memory bus is dirctly dependant on it
[08:31] <pax> kevin06: unless you're a gamer, dont let the industry's marketing take your money for nothing.
[08:31] <Computer__Guru> the capacity probably has something to do with parity on the bus *shrug* you got me there
[08:31] <pax> dear Computer__Guru we're taking FSB + Timing = performance.
[08:31] <kevin06> pax, here is a direct line from the motherboard. "They can support up to 2GB of memory using DDR 333/400 Memory. Can also support up to 3GB when using DDR 266 Memory.
[08:32] <Computer__Guru> i could have sworn i saw kev talking about available memory
[08:32] <Computer__Guru> see, i did
[08:32] <Computer__Guru> now stop being a smartass
[08:32] <pax> kevin06: that simply means that if you have for exemple 3GB of PC4000 you cant use it with mobo, but if you have 2GB of 2700 or 3200 you can
[08:32] <kevin06> ?
[08:33] <oga> is ubuntu a "RPM" distro?
[08:33] <Computer__Guru> oga: apt
[08:33] <storyteller> hi room
[08:33] <pax> kevin06: think of it as the mobo with accept 3 sticks of lower performance memory stick but only 2 of high performance/fast memory sticks
[08:33] <axis> apt is the goods
[08:34] <kevin06> pax, I got that. I was just wondering which of those set-ups would give best preformance, the 3gb of 266 or 2 of 400
[08:34] <Computer__Guru> 2@400
[08:34] <axis> storyteller,  I don't think the walls in here talk
[08:34] <kevin06> Is the answer "More is better" still correct?
[08:34] <pax> 2 of 4000 ofcourse
[08:34] <axis> storyteller: tell me a story
[08:34] <Computer__Guru> kevin06, you'll want a paired set of dimms, 2x1g
[08:34] <oga> a bard has entered
[08:34] <Computer__Guru> actually, 2x512 would be the fastest configuration
[08:34] <oga> hazah
[08:35] <axis> bard; have you seen violet
[08:35] <axis> my b4llz are turning blue
[08:35] <axis> i think i last saw seth with her
[08:35] <axis> lol
[08:35] <Computer__Guru> for some reason systems seem to access memory over a gig quite a bit slower
[08:35] <storyteller> i ask you to tell me one, sorry... for now: i want to fix icons so that they keep in that position on the desktop when i log back in on gnome, how can i do that?
[08:36] <axis> storyteller,  that is a good question
[08:36] <storyteller> every time i log back in they revert to their old positions
[08:36] <kevin06> Computer__Guru: Really? Is this a limitation for the time being, or is there another underlying reason?
[08:36] <pax> well yes, Computer__Guru is correct if you're a gamer, you rather use two 512 than 1G stick in one slot, however, that's gaming not server user
[08:36] <Computer__Guru> and if you ever encounter a non-enterprise situation where you need more than a gig of ram, please let me know
[08:36] <axis> lol
[08:36] <Computer__Guru> either way, you want to use paired memory
[08:36] <pax> dual
[08:36] <Computer__Guru> they're sold as a pair
[08:37] <axis> i have an athlon tbird 1000mhz, 256 ram.. upgrading it to 500 .. possibly a gig it's so cheap
[08:37] <Computer__Guru> but if you're talking server functionality, you're just as well to go with 3gb of 2700
[08:37] <axis> and i have a 1.8 amd 3000+ oc'd to 2000mhz, with 1 gig of ram
[08:38] <Computer__Guru> your overall system performance will not suffer, and if it's a busy server, it will appreciate the extra doc-caching space
[08:38] <kevin06> I don't game, and this computer will not be used as a server, actually.
[08:38] <axis> and this dell p3 600 that i will be putting a 1ghz chip in, with 512 ram
[08:38] <pax> kevin06: then go with cheaper hardware and pay less intention to marketing
[08:39] <axis> LOL
[08:39] <kevin06> I had an AMD AThalon Xp 2400+ that performed slower than my ADM K6-2 when I was listening to music, web browsing, text editing and Iming.
[08:39] <axis> foamy: what's up
[08:39] <pax> kevin06: a good place to shop is newegg.com ... check prices+review.
[08:39] <Computer__Guru> hell you could give the system 2gb of accessible memory, and load your entire / partition into a ramdisk :D - then just write a 'commit' script to run in crontab every five minutes
[08:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nothin you
[08:39] <axis> kevin06, : i belive it
[08:39] <steve_> kevin06, did you have enough ram
[08:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> what the heck do i need to play a .wmv file?
[08:39] <axis> ChurcH_of_FoamY,  Chillz chillz.. giving thx to the church of the universe right now ..
[08:39] <synd> what alternatives are there to terminal?
[08:39] <synd> xterm?
[08:39] <Computer__Guru> with access to /home and /var being disk based
[08:39] <axis> ;D
[08:39] <synd> what else?
[08:39] <kevin06> I was running 256MB
[08:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[08:40] <Computer__Guru> ChurcH_of_FoamY, mplayer does it just fine
[08:40] <axis> -_-
[08:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hmmm thats odd it's only playing the sound no video
[08:40] <synd> ChurcH_of_FoamY: did you try vlc
[08:40] <steve_> kevin06, im running a sempron 2500+ with cheap samsung ram (512mb), 80gb wd drive (2mb cache), and an asrock board - paired with a ti4200 and it smokes most of my friends computers
[08:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> do i have it?
[08:40] <synd> steve_: awesome
[08:41] <steve_> kevin06, i cant see a 2400+ being slower than a k6-2
[08:41] <steve_> synd, only cost me $400 cdn lol
[08:41] <Computer__Guru> yeah the ti is whats doin it for ya
[08:41] <synd> steve_: nice
[08:41] <steve_> synd, plus paired it up with a used hitachi 21" monitor
[08:41] <kevin06> `Steve, I couldn't either. I suspected hardware malfunction, but it all checked out...
[08:41] <kevin06> They SWEAR it was the load on my system...
[08:41] <Computer__Guru> the only drawback to this system is the pos video card.. it's a 16mb ati rage pro 128 ultra 2xagp
[08:41] <Computer__Guru> and it sucks
[08:41] <steve_> Computer__Guru, absolutely.
[08:41] <Computer__Guru> but i can only put  ahalf-height card in here
[08:41] <steve_> i got my ti4200 for $30, just needed a new fan
[08:41] <steve_> oh
[08:42] <SaumZ> Anyone familiar with how to fix the problem with AMD 64, 5.04 unbuntu, and the screen after logging in freezing?
[08:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> weard no matter what no video
[08:42] <axis> Computer__Guru, : that's not such a bad card
[08:42] <steve_> SaumZ, you use the 64 bit distro?
[08:42] <axis> ati rage fury pro's were decent
[08:42] <SaumZ> yes
[08:42] <Computer__Guru> axis, yeah i mean it *works* but thats about it
[08:42] <Madpilot> ChurcH_of_FoamY: what's in the way that you can't fit a fullsized card in your AGP slot?
[08:42] <Computer__Guru> gl support blows
[08:42] <steve_> SaumZ, check /var/log/messages if u can
[08:42] <netmonk> hello, I installed ubuntu, which i've done before but this time it told me that grub cannot be installed. i put lilo, but now I don't have the windows option. how can i switch to grub?
[08:42] <Computer__Guru> i want a half-height radeon 9200
[08:42] <axis> steve: i think i've heard about  a k8t neo 2 upgrade?
[08:42] <Computer__Guru> :D
[08:42] <axis> Computer__Guru, : lol
[08:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> um besides the fact i don't have an AGP slot....nothin
[08:43] <SaumZ> I can try... but I am unable to login at all, is there a way I can login to the console?
[08:43] <Computer__Guru> they make em
[08:43] <steve_> SaumZ, ctrl alt f2?
[08:43] <pax> when you're talking speed/benchmark it's teh combination of hardware that counts, a good CPU with slow memory and cheap mobo will not perform to your expectations, you have to have a good combination of cpu/ram/mobo/cooling/gva ..etc to have a fast box
[08:43] <Computer__Guru> that would scream in this system
[08:43] <SaumZ> I'll try
[08:43] <axis> pci express is next anyways ChurcH_of_FoamY
[08:43] <steve_> pax: for $400 i wont complain
[08:43] <steve_> pax: canadian even
[08:44] <Computer__Guru> pci express is gonna be nice
[08:44] <axis> pAx: also bus speed
[08:44] <Computer__Guru> but its another standard way too soon
[08:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i know and for that kinda money i'll wait for 2 years then buy it on e-bay for 14.99
[08:44] <steve_> ChurcH_of_FoamY, man upgrade.
[08:44] <pax> axis: OC'ing is another story.
[08:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> naw can't afford it
[08:44] <Computer__Guru> ChurcH_of_FoamY, there's a new foamy out, m8
[08:44] <kevin06> Would you guys suggest AMD over Intel for any reasons?
[08:44] <steve_> ChurcH_of_FoamY, new asrock board can be found for < $40
[08:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea seen it ^_^
[08:44] <axis> pax: back in the day i had a few 200mhz systems that ROCKED the 333 celerons  that were oc'd
[08:45] <steve_> kevin06, amd budget chips kick the shit out of intel's and are cheaper
[08:45] <Computer__Guru> kevin06, in a server environment, i recommend intel 24/7. for home users and gamers, the amd processors make more sense
[08:45] <axis> it was a cyrix 166 at 250mhz
[08:45] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> great can you lend me it? cause i'm broke till next month
[08:45] <pax> kevin06: if you game AMD, if you want to pay less AMD, if you can cool the box AMD.
[08:45] <axis> 100x 2.5
[08:45] <axis> and that think rocked
[08:45] <axis> thing*
[08:45] <axis> just like this p3 that has a 66mhz p3 chip in it
[08:45] <axis> so lame
[08:45] <axis> they should have been illegal
[08:45] <steve_> the duron is my favorite chip ever
[08:45] <axis> 100mhz minimum to work with
[08:45] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> let me girber stile it for ya (fixed income) ^_^
[08:46] <Computer__Guru> axis, im amazed it didnt melt. orion.dal.net was a cyrix 6x86-166 @ 200 (100x2), and it had the side off and a fan pointed straight at it to keep it cool
[08:46] <Poromies> pax: AMD chips run cooler than those of Intels :)
[08:46] <axis> steve_,  : the tbird is one of my classics..  i like to remember the celeron 333's tho
[08:46] <Poromies> or atleast these high-end ones do so
[08:46] <steve_> axis, haha did u have a dualie setup too?
[08:46] <Computer__Guru> but that machine took one hell of a load
[08:46] <steve_> axis, two celeron 300a ?
[08:46] <pax> Poromies: umm yeah I like AMD but not to the point to say something like that.
[08:46] <axis> steve_,  . nah.. my buddy had a set of p pros
[08:46] <axis> Computer__Guru, : it'
[08:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it took me 4 years to get the pc i have sitting next to me
[08:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i built it for me but the wife took it
[08:47] <steve_> ChurcH_of_FoamY, what are your specs
[08:47] <axis> Computer__Guru, : it's amazin at what you can do when you have like 30 little fans laying around
[08:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> in my box or the pc?
[08:47] <steve_> ChurcH_of_FoamY, pc
[08:47] <axis> Computer__Guru, : i literally burned my fingers a few times on that exact chip
[08:47] <Poromies> pax: well new venice (and later) core revision AMD:s run cooler and with less power consumption then any of p4:s
[08:47] <steve_> anyone know if a amd 64 laptop should last longer than 2 hrs?
[08:47] <Computer__Guru> axis, lol.. yeah.. i burned mine too.. but hey, it was the best damned server on dalnet for almost two years, so im not gonna bitch
[08:47] <pax> Poromies: yes, now you're talking venice is the best chip 'proly ever made by AMD.
[08:47] <steve_> i thought cool and quiet would help
[08:48] <cafuego> steve_: Before it breaks? Of course.
[08:48] <axis> Computer__Guru,  : lol tha'ts l33tsk3wl d00d.. hehe
[08:48] <steve_> cafuego, battery life
[08:48] <axis> good ol socket 7's
[08:48] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> well the one the wifes on is a pentium 4 ht 1.5ghz with a 120gig raptor hd @ 10,000rpm 768 mb rambus @ 800mhz
[08:48] <Computer__Guru> dalnet was a political nightmare
[08:48] <Poromies> steve_: yes im running with a lappy that has AMD turion chip and my battery lasts almost 4 hours
[08:48] <cafuego> steve_: Depend son how new and what kind the battery is
[08:48] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it took me 4 years to get the money for a decent computer
[08:48] <axis> Computer__Guru,  : hehehe  .. I remember it being a little wild
[08:48] <Computer__Guru> yeah remember back when the type of motherboard you had didnt limit the brand of processor you could install
[08:48] <Computer__Guru> those were the days
[08:49] <cafuego> steve_: Also depends on what you're doing, if you use wireless etc.
[08:49] <steve_> lith-ion, brand new (my cousins) i guess he probably hasnt installed the software for it
[08:49] <axis> =]  definatly
[08:49] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the one i'm on is a celeron 1.0ghz 256mb pc133 and a 40gig hd
[08:49] <Computer__Guru> axis, fromt he administration standpoint it was a nightmare..t here was a friggen committee for everything you could think of.. hell there was even a committee for forming new committees
[08:49] <steve_> ChurcH_of_FoamY, that should perform decently
[08:49] <steve_> ChurcH_of_FoamY, provided u dont game
[08:49] <SaumZ> Steve, any clue what I am supposed to be looking for in this messages file?
[08:49] <Dr_Willis> dalnet = spambot net - last i was on it...
[08:49] <axis> Computer__Guru, :  that's crazy
[08:49] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and theres the problem
[08:49] <steve_> ChurcH_of_FoamY, you can prolly play maxpayne
[08:49] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i do
[08:49] <pax> load average: 0.00, 0.05, 0.07 <- why would you want a $200 cpu for Linux?
[08:49] <Computer__Guru> you're tellin me
[08:50] <axis> Computer__Guru, :  I was a bit younger at the time, so i was into more of the a/s/l at the time [=
[08:50] <Computer__Guru> not to mention all the ircop wannabes that hounded you day and night
[08:50] <axis> Computer__Guru, : when i was on dalnet, anyway hehe
[08:50] <steve_>  03:50:02 up 2 days, 13:07,  3 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.11
[08:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> cs get's like 2 frams a sec with the onboard card
[08:50] <Computer__Guru> axis, but i got to autokill 3600 aol users for nine hours :D
[08:50] <cafuego> pax: this is why: load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[08:50] <steve_> ChurcH_of_FoamY, lmfao
[08:50] <axis> hehehehehe
[08:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thats why i need a pci card
[08:50] <axis> Computer__Guru, : mr burns:  Excellent
[08:50] <steve_> ChurcH_of_FoamY, i can give you a voodoo4 4500
[08:50] <pax> cafuego: hehe nice.
[08:50] <desrt> hey guys
[08:50] <desrt> don't install breezy :D
[08:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is it pci?
[08:51] <steve_> ChurcH_of_FoamY, yes
[08:51] <steve_> ChurcH_of_FoamY, full height card
[08:51] <cafuego> desrt: Too late, been running it for months.
[08:51] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and is it ati or nvidia?
[08:51] <axis> oh man that's good
[08:51] <steve_> ChurcH_of_FoamY, 3dfx
[08:51] <desrt> cafuego; it's ok if it's already installed
[08:51] <desrt> cafuego; just don't install it now
[08:51] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^ how much?
[08:51] <steve_> ChurcH_of_FoamY, $5
[08:51] <desrt> or, i should say, "don't try" :)
[08:51] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and do you take pay pal
[08:51] <axis> ChurcH_of_FoamY,  lol
[08:51] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[08:51] <desrt> ubuntu-desktop on breezy is uninstallable
[08:51] <steve_> ChurcH_of_FoamY, $5 + whatever shipping cost - yeah ill take paypal
[08:51] <desrt> (as is most of X)
[08:52] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> you gots a deal
[08:52] <axis> ChurcH_of_FoamY,  you have ebay and you can't find an ati rage fury 32 meg for 5 bucks?
[08:52] <Computer__Guru> no shit dont install breezy yet
[08:52] <cafuego> desrt: it prolly has an xbase-clients issue and/or evolution, yes.
[08:52] <Computer__Guru> it's not done
[08:52] <desrt> cafuego; ya.  xbase-clients :)
[08:52] <desrt> my new best friend
[08:52] <SaumZ> Steve, any clue what I am supposed to be looking for in this messages file?
[08:52] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nope
[08:52] <cafuego> desrt: yeh, you can install it by hand tho
[08:52] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> beleve it or not i'm looking for 16mb
[08:52] <pax> I mean, if you are using Windows and consumed by the insdustry's marketing (Gaming/Hardware) then okay, but running Linux not only save you money but also protect you from the propaganda
[08:53] <steve_> SaumZ, anything out of ordinary, error msgs, etc
[08:53] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it's what i can afford
[08:53] <desrt> cafuego; you mean like drag an old version out of the respository?
[08:53] <steve_> ChurcH_of_FoamY, the 4500 is 32mb
[08:53] <SaumZ> hmm
[08:53] <cafuego> desrt: mine seems to work... amd64 though.
[08:53] <steve_> SaumZ, how does it hang?
[08:53] <desrt> cafuego; mine was working too... i made the mistake of uninstalling/reinstalling everything
[08:53] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thats fine but a 32mb card on ebay is like 19.99 +s&h
[08:53] <Computer__Guru> lot less trouble that way
[08:53] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> that is money i don't have
[08:53] <cafuego> 6.8.2-34
[08:53] <desrt> ie: used debfoster to get myself down to ubuntu-base then tried to reinstall -desktop
[08:53] <axis> ChurcH_of_FoamY, : there won't be a difference
[08:54] <axis> ChurcH_of_FoamY : there has to be a used computer store near you
[08:54] <SaumZ> it hangs after I log in and on the small splash screen, the mouse and keyboard won't respond, and the system quits loading

[08:54] <desrt> cafuego; it wants to install -42
[08:54] <steve_> 4500 will be alot faster
[08:54] <steve_> plus opengl
[08:54] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> dude i live in marqute michigan
[08:54] <axis> http://search.ebay.ca/pci_Video-Cards-for-Desktop-PC_W0QQcatrefZC6QQcoactionZcompareQQcoentrypageZsearchQQcopagenumZ1QQfromZR2QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ3QQftrtZ1QQftrvZ1QQsacatZ40156
[08:54] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> look at our population
[08:54] <steve_> hehe well i live in nb canada
[08:54] <axis> church
[08:54] <cafuego> desrt: it wants, but tells me it can't, so doesn't
[08:54] <desrt> anyway... i'm told a fix is in the pipes.... so i'll see if i can live without my computer for a day or two :)
[08:54] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the biggest computer store we have up here is office max
[08:54] <SaumZ> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-28677.html <--- people with the same problem
[08:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and to think i moved here from hartford ct
[08:55] <steve_> church of foamy
[08:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yes
[08:55] <steve_> forget that card i will sell you
[08:55] <steve_> http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=40161&item=5221219747&rd=1
[08:55] <steve_> much better
[08:55] <axis> church: http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=40158&item=5219755142&rd=1
[08:55] <steve_> wtf
[08:55] <steve_> rage 2?
[08:56] <steve_> are you joking
[08:56] <axis> bett grab that up for 12 bucks  dood
[08:56] <axis> [=
[08:56] <steve_> i have like 3 of those
[08:56] <desrt> buy it now: $0.10 :)
[08:56] <steve_> lol
[08:56] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> um thats not buy it now lol that can go up at any time
[08:56] <axis> steve man .. send  ChurcH_of_FoamY  that card now for the cost of shipping .. :)
[08:56] <SDFH_Linux> http://www.tuxmachines.org/images/julyclean.jpg     <--whats the name of the program running on the top right
[08:56] <steve_> axis, the voodoo4?
[08:56] <axis> church click on the link i sent you
[08:57] <steve_> axis, why tell him to get a rage 2?
[08:57] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the starting bid is  5 but that can go up and theres a reserve
[08:57] <axis> as opposed to what
[08:57] <steve_> axis, they are like 4mb max, 3d sucks
[08:57] <steve_> axis, i had one of these in my pentium 60
[08:58] <axis> i'm still lookin
[08:58] <axis> geez.. lol.. hge says he wants a shitty card that will load x-windows right?
[08:58] <axis> well there ya go 10 bucks
[08:58] <axis> lol
[08:58] <steve_> oh i thought he wanted it for games
[08:58] <steve_> lol
[08:58] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> are ati's good with invidia?
[08:58] <desrt> i wonder if you could get doom3 going on that
[08:58] <desrt> *ahem*
[08:58] <steve_> ChurcH_of_FoamY, what do u mean
[08:58] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i mean good with ubuntu?
[08:59] <desrt> ChurcH_of_FoamY; ati's sort of suck with linux in general
[08:59] <steve_> desrt, wouldnt suprise me if someone made a wrapper for it
[08:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> er slightly tired
[08:59] <hondje> ati sucks for linux
[08:59] <hondje> get a nvidia card, MUCH better support
[08:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> damn >.< cause that was perfect
[08:59] <desrt> i have an ati radeon 9600 in this box
[08:59] <desrt> i'm quite happy with it
[08:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i could afford that lol
[08:59] <steve_> i agree with desrt, hondje
[08:59] <desrt> but not as happy as i could be :)
[08:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i have always gone with invidea
[09:00] <desrt> if i had a similar spec nvidia card, it would run faster
[09:00] <axis> ChurcH_of_FoamY, :  what do you want this card for?
[09:00] <steve_> doesnt anyone have an old mx440 they can give him?
[09:00] <hondje> it'll run, but nvidia is seriously better in linux
[09:00] <hondje> I had an mx400 that I gave away last week
[09:00] <desrt> take it back!!
[09:00] <axis> ChurcH_of_FoamY,: 32 meg PCI card, 30 bucks man. . best i can doo off ebay .  i could prolly get you the same card for 10-20 bucks at my local comp store
[09:00] <steve_> hehe i feel bad for the guy
[09:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i want to be able to play my postal 2 my cs and um.....thats about it
[09:00] <axis> http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=40161&item=5220285020&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
[09:00] <desrt> "sorry mom.. some guy on IRc needs it"
[09:00] <steve_> lol
[09:00] <axis> hehehe
[09:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[09:01] <axis> nvidia 32 meg 30 bucks man
[09:01] <pax> so yall under 21 I guess?
[09:01] <axis> 23
[09:01] <axis> but i'm from canada
[09:01] <SaumZ> 23
[09:01] <axis> so that's like ..
[09:01] <desrt> 23, as well
[09:01] <desrt> also from canada
[09:01] <desrt> so that's like ..
[09:01] <axis> ontario..
[09:01] <SaumZ> minnesota
[09:01] <desrt> ontario..
[09:01] <[Spooky] > 26
[09:01] <axis> hamilton
[09:01] <hondje> I'm the only not-23-candadian here :)
[09:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wow that is an awsome looking card kinda like my nvidia 4000mx
[09:01] <desrt> hamilton
[09:01] <steve_> http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=40161&item=5218827214&rd=1
[09:01] <steve_> im 21
[09:01] <axis> dest: shoe?
[09:01] <desrt> shoe?
[09:02] <pax> great, this means Linux is going solid and have a future
[09:02] <axis> desrt:  you went to wesmount didn't you
[09:02] <steve_> ChurcH_of_FoamY, you have a mx400?
[09:02] <desrt> ya.  i did
[09:02] <hondje> steve_: except for being broke :p
[09:02] <desrt> who are you?
[09:02] <axis> DESERT LOL
[09:02] <axis> des
[09:02] <axis> i hung out with Shoe a bit
[09:02] <axis> Adam
[09:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> no mx4000 256mb agp
[09:02] <desrt> ya.. adam and i used to be good friends
[09:02] <axis> i dated marissa
[09:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> in my other computer
[09:02] <axis> i remember
[09:02] <desrt> don't know marissa
[09:02] <steve_> ChurcH_of_FoamY, use that one then
[09:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i got it for x-mas last year
[09:02] <axis> desrt: marissa achong
[09:02] <desrt> ...
[09:02] <axis> desrt:  anyway
[09:02] <desrt> what is your name?
[09:02] <hondje> or is it something else-5200
[09:02] <axis> sam
[09:02] <axis> scott
[09:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i have no pci card in the linuxbox that i'm on
[09:02] <desrt> hmm
[09:03] <desrt> fascinating :)
[09:03] <axis> skate/stoner
[09:03] <axis> at the time
[09:03] <hondje> fx5200, hey
[09:03] <steve_> oh lol
[09:03] <axis> i came into the library one day
[09:03] <axis> and got into dos
[09:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and there is no agp slot ither
[09:03] <axis> in front of you and stevbe
[09:03] <steve_> stevbe
[09:03] <steve_> hehe
[09:03] <desrt> what steve?
[09:03] <steve_> me
[09:03] <axis> then you two started talking about the linux penguin, and it intrigued me SOO much
[09:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thats why i need to get a pci video card
[09:03] <steve_> ;)
[09:03] <desrt> strangeways?
[09:03] <hondje> I don't have an agp slot either
[09:03] <desrt> hahahah
[09:03] <axis> acutally i think
[09:03] <axis> you were arguing charlie vs tux
[09:03] <desrt> woh
[09:03] <axis> and i had no idea
[09:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the winbox as got all the good stuff
[09:03] <steve_> ChurcH_of_FoamY, well you dont need it that much then :P
[09:03] <desrt> yes
[09:03] <desrt> steve was a bsd-lover
[09:03] <axis> i was like you two are the best
[09:03] <axis> hahaha
[09:04] <steve_> desrt, how did u know - i like freebsd
[09:04] <desrt> and his name is beastie
[09:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> not true the wife has dominated it now
[09:04] <axis> i remember you guys had servers under your bed
[09:04] <desrt> not charlie :P
[09:04] <steve_> ChurcH_of_FoamY, slap the wife
[09:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i did build it for me at first
[09:04] <axis> hehe
[09:04] <steve_> ChurcH_of_FoamY, ;)
[09:04] <axis> heheh
[09:04] <desrt> so funny.
[09:04] <axis> man
[09:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> roflmao
[09:04] <SaumZ> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=261482#post261482 I also looked in the log files, and nothing out of the ordinary, seems like to me... it's freezing after it loads my profile's xml (maybe)
[09:04] <desrt> westmount was such a funny part of my life :)
[09:04] <axis> dood
[09:04] <axis> highschoo.. blah
[09:04] <steve_> SaumZ, did u try to install again
[09:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i have been looking for a cheapo pci card for a few monthes now
[09:04] <axis> such a joke
[09:04] <desrt> highschool was fun for me
[09:04] <SaumZ> not yet
[09:04] <steve_> SaumZ, honestly i have no idea.... :/
[09:04] <desrt> it was like a 6 year reality vacation
[09:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the best i can find with instant access is at wall mart for
[09:05] <SaumZ> I can try a re-install
[09:05] <hondje> ChurcH_of_FoamY: define cheap
[09:05] <steve_> SaumZ, try reinstalling - doesnt take that long
[09:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> 129 bucks
[09:05] <SaumZ> ok
[09:05] <axis> Same for me too, a little too much and I ended up leaving early :/
[09:05] <steve_> SaumZ, i would tell u more if i knew
[09:05] <desrt> axis; mcnab?
[09:05] <axis> desrt: lol hehehe
[09:05] <hondje> ChurcH_of_FoamY: I got mine, pci fx5200 w/ 256mb of ram off newegg for $90
[09:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> cheap for me would be no more than maybe 30 bucks and
[09:05] <axis> uhmm nope  westmount/westdale, i never went to westdale tho
[09:05] <hondje> oh, not 129 :)
[09:05] <desrt> so many people bail out of westmount and go to mcnab :P
[09:05] <axis> that was  my local school
[09:05] <SaumZ> I'll try the reinstall tomorrow, maybe someone on the forums will be able to have a fix
[09:05] <desrt> ah
[09:05] <axis> i didn't bail
[09:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> if it's some one i know a copy of xp with key
[09:05] <SaumZ> thanks for the help!
[09:05] <axis> i had 90's
[09:05] <axis> that year
[09:05] <desrt> you still live in the west end?
[09:05] <steve_> SaumZ, did u post on there?
[09:05] <axis> b ut iwas on probatiion
[09:06] <SaumZ> steve_, yes
[09:06] <desrt> oh god... i remember my probation
[09:06] <axis> and missed 1 class cause iwas moving
[09:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i live on my own man it's not easy
[09:06] <steve_> SaumZ, they are generally very quick to reply and very helpful
[09:06] <axis> and my mom called
[09:06] <SaumZ> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=261482#post261482
[09:06] <axis> to say iwas going to miss a day
[09:06] <axis> i come back monday
[09:06] <desrt> they're all like "if you don't get all your credits then you're expelled"
[09:06] <axis> and mr smith had kicked me out
[09:06] <desrt> so i failed all my classes
[09:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and what even worse is i rent >.<
[09:06] <desrt> and the VP calls me into her office
[09:06] <axis> desrt, : i'm the guy who spit on mr smith if you remember that"
[09:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and thats like throughing money away
[09:06] <hondje> yeah, renting sucks
[09:06] <desrt> "so... we had a meeting about it.... and you're welcome to come back clean slate"
[09:06] <steve_> SaumZ, well wish you the best. you'll get it
[09:06] <desrt> hah
[09:06] <Madpilot> axis, desrt, maybe take it to /msg?
[09:06] <desrt> mr. smith was a jerk
[09:06] <axis> hehe
[09:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> every month 460 dollars poof gone
[09:06] <hondje> I rent, but I know I'm going to move in the next couple years...
[09:06] <SaumZ> thanks :)
[09:07] <hondje> I'll just wait until the housing bubble pops
[09:07] <steve_> any electrical engineers here
[09:07] <_paul> I am
[09:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea it sucks thats why i jumped at that card for 5 dollars
[09:07] <steve_> what does everyone here do for a living
[09:07] <oga> steve_ almost (4 months left)
[09:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> to me thats a deal cause i can offord that
[09:08] <steve_> _paul / oga - wanna chat in EE im about to enter first year
[09:08] <_paul> Unemployed
[09:08] <steve_> channel #ee
[09:08] <hondje> I make pretty pictures
[09:08] <hondje> then I get a prettier paycheck
[09:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> no i'm actually somewhat self employd
[09:08] <hondje> then I pay ugly bills :(
[09:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i build computers for people i make clocks
[09:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and then i pay the bills and well thats it wify get the food
[09:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but i got a nice place to live so meh
[09:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea see it's the damn bills
[09:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> they should be illegal
[09:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[09:11] <hondje> most of my bills aren't too bad, but health insurance for mydaughter runs about ~$500 a month
[09:11] <Burgundavia> ChurcH_of_FoamY, sorry to cut this short, but can you keep it on topic?
[09:11] <HrdwrBoB> hondje: my god
[09:11] <hondje> that's insane :(
[09:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> shure sorry
[09:11] <HrdwrBoB> if you want offtopci chat, #ubuntu-offtopic exists for that exact purpose :)
[09:12] <Madpilot> and #ubuntu-offtopic is totally dead... come liven it up!
[09:14] <jk24> Hi, ping tritium, i've uploaded X -34 packages for i386 here : http://jk24.free.fr/X-6.8.2-34_i386-Breezy/
[09:15] <hondje> nvidia is hiring a lot right now, wonder why
[09:15] <^rob^> hello room
[09:15] <cafuego> hondje: going to buy transmeta, develop their own cpu, killintel.
[09:15] <^rob^> does anyone know if there's a macromedia flash plugin port for ubuntu - or i have to dl the plugin from MM and install it manually
[09:16] <hondje> cafuego: hehehe
[09:16] <Burgundavia> ^rob^, search for flash in synaptic, it is there
[09:16] <derelictfrog> gday
[09:17] <^rob^> Burgundavia: i have - there's a lot of mm player - i guess only 4 and 5
[09:17] <^rob^> i need 7
[09:17] <derelictfrog> ne one in here know how to mount a raid0 sata windows partition?
[09:17] <hondje> Looking for a new job is fun, you can find stuff like ' Experience with Antarctic precipitation analysis is preferred.' :)
[09:17] <Burgundavia> ^rob^, you need flashplugin-nonfree
[09:17] <Burgundavia> that is version 7
[09:17] <^rob^> yes
[09:18] <Burgundavia> and flashplugin-mozilla
[09:18] <derelictfrog> so i guess not then
[09:18] <^rob^> i don't have it in my apt - (universe enabled)
[09:18] <Burgundavia> ^rob^, you need multiverse
[09:19] <^rob^> roger that
[09:19] <^rob^> ty
[09:20] <Burgundavia> np
[09:21] <^rob^> q2: is there a driver for canon i550 ?
[09:23] <hondje> check gphoto2's website
[09:23] <hondje> they have a chan and if you ask nicely they'll support an unsupported camera pretty fast
[09:23] <hondje> took them like, 2 weeks to add mine, amazing
[09:24] <Burgundavia> ^rob^, grab the camera and plug it in
[09:24] <hondje> heh, or that
[09:24] <Burgundavia> turn it on. It should pop up a little thing saying "import photos"
[09:24] <Burgundavia> if it doesn't, it is a bug
[09:24] <Burgundavia> and go with the above solution
[09:26] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: does the gf's new digital work in your Ubuntu box?
[09:26] <Burgundavia> absolutely
[09:26] <Burgundavia> what do you think I used in Spain at the Mataro conference?
[09:26] <Madpilot> better than in her iMac?
[09:27] <Burgundavia> working is working
[09:27] <Madpilot> true
[09:27] <Burgundavia> iphoto is a little bit nicer than gthumb
[09:27] <Burgundavia> fspot is just odd
[09:27] <tobi_> heya
[09:28] <tobi_> daniels: any news regarding xkb :) ?
[09:28] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: fspot?
[09:29] <Burgundavia> mono photo management application
[09:31] <Burgundavia> FoamY_is_zZZZzzz, please turn off your away message
[09:31] <Madpilot> must be a breezy thing; it doesn't seem to be in Hoary's repos
[09:31] <Burgundavia> f-spot
[09:32] <Madpilot> found it. it is only release 0.0.12...
[09:32] <anacron> hey, if i install no-ip tool with apt-get, how can i configure it?
[09:33] <anacron> same goes with bitlbee, where can i find those configure files?
[09:37] <XeosX> shit
[09:37] <XeosX> anyone here know how to make the sound work on a thinkpad 600e in linux?
[09:37] <XeosX> its driving me insane
[09:38] <XeosX> is anyone home?
[09:38] <Burgundavia> need a breezy user to test something with totem
[09:39] <Madpilot> XeosX: there're people here, but evidently none that know answers to your questions...
[09:39] <oga_> hey does anybody know anything about ubuntu/kismet/laptop?
[09:39] <XeosX> haha
[09:39] <XeosX> point made
[09:40] <anacron> XeosX: have you already try what ubuntuguide and ubuntu wiki says about sound things?
[09:40] <anacron> tried*
[09:40] <XeosX> yeah
[09:40] <XeosX> to the best of my ability
[09:40] <anacron> XeosX: you should mention that as well if you ask that later, when guru's get back from their coffeebreak
[09:41] <XeosX> ill have to come back in here during the day then.
[09:42] <Razor-X> what happened to the language wars?
[09:42] <Madpilot> it's late at night in N. America, and early morning in Europe right now. quiet.
[09:42] <Madpilot> !start language war
[09:42] <ubotu> Madpilot: Are you smoking crack?
[09:42] <hondje> I bet it's also late at night in S America
[09:43] <Razor-X> and early in Asia
[09:43] <Madpilot> !start a language war
[09:43] <ubotu> C is better than PHP!
[09:43] <Razor-X> nooooo!!!!
[09:43] <Razor-X> ;)
[09:43] <Razor-X> !start
[09:43] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, Razor-X
[09:43] <Madpilot> Razor-X: http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/  <-- top entry there. clever, actually
[09:45] <Razor-X> what's ubotu syntax?
[09:45] <abhayks> burgundavia: I am on Breezy
[09:46] <Burgundavia> abhayks, never mind, I have found a test user
[09:47] <Madpilot> Razor-X: still working it out myself. is there a standard bot-engine that it's based on?
[09:47] <mebaran151> hey, what itunes replacement is there
[09:47] <mebaran151> other than rhythmbox
[09:47] <mebaran151> I dont like soundjuicer
[09:47] <mebaran151> it works at 2x on my machine!
[09:47] <Madpilot> mebaran151: muine
[09:47] <holycow> so my fellow ubuntu users ...
[09:47] <holycow> ... i have returned from yet another grotesque windows upgrade/transfer mission
[09:48] <holycow> my god
[09:48] <mebaran151> Madpilot, muine?
[09:48] <anacron> mebaran151: xmms is my choise, looks like winamp, works like winamp
[09:48] <mebaran151> I use xmms
[09:48] <mebaran151> I want something more for organization
[09:48] <holycow> how much easier everything is on linux, it's staggering
[09:48] <Madpilot> mebaran151: Muine - it's in the repos
[09:48] <anacron> mebaran151: amarok?
[09:48] <user1> hi all
[09:48] <mebaran151> oh come on KDE!
[09:48] <mebaran151> I am on XFCE
[09:48] <Madpilot> it's alot like rythymbox, except better. (IMO)
[09:49] <user1> what I need to download to get nice gui to admin samba?
[09:49] <anacron> mebaran151: that doesn't mean you have to use kde to run amarok :/
[09:49] <Razor-X> looks seem to matter a lot in Media Players
[09:49] <Razor-X> i'll stick by my cplay/emms
[09:49] <mebaran151> anacron, but I like gtk
[09:50] <anacron> mebaran151: so?
[09:50] <mebaran151> I hate the qt look
[09:50] <mebaran151> just dont like it
[09:50] <mebaran151> at all
[09:50] <hondje> is there no ubuntu kicad pkg?
[09:50] <Fidelio> I'm in need of some help on configuring my wireless connection in Hoary
[09:51] <Madpilot> I hardly ever look at Muine. it just runs on the notification area and I refill the playlist every four or five hours...
[09:51] <mebaran151> muine?
[09:51] <anacron> Fidelio: don't ask can someone help you, just ask the question, it's much simple to help people then
[09:51] <mebaran151> it's in universe right?
[09:51] <Razor-X> mebaran151: you know, there is no definitive QT ``look''
[09:51] <mebaran151> or am I going to be compiling from src
[09:51] <mebaran151> Razor-X, I think they skin GTK apps nicer
[09:51] <Razor-X> just like there's no definitive GTK ``look''?
[09:51] <Burgundavia> mebaran151, it is in universe
[09:51] <Madpilot> mebaran151: I think it's in universe. just a sec...
[09:51] <Razor-X> mebaran151: in my perspective, my GTK apps skin, not my QT apps
[09:52] <Madpilot> yes, Muine is in Universe
[09:52] <Fidelio> where should I start troubleshooting if I just installed Hoary on my desktop with a wireless D-Link card and I can't connect to my broadband router
[09:52] <mebaran151> not for AMD64
[09:52] <Razor-X> !wireless
[09:52] <ubotu> rumour has it, wireless is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[09:52] <Burgundavia> mebaran151, there is no mono for amd64 in hoary
[09:52] <mebaran151> oh
[09:52] <Madpilot> mebaran151: ah, OK. K7 machine here, sorry
[09:52] <Burgundavia> mebaran151, and thus no muine
[09:52] <mebaran151> its a mono app
[09:52] <Fidelio> I can connect from my windowsxp laptop, but not in hoary yet
[09:53] <anacron> Fidelio: i can help you in private if you want, i have d-link as well
[09:53] <mebaran151> I can get mono
[09:53] <Razor-X> Fidelio: read above
[09:53] <mebaran151> I have working setup at the moment
[09:53] <mebaran151> GTK compiled and runs
[09:53] <Fidelio> anacron : please!
[09:53] <mebaran151> only problem is that the repos arent going to have anything
[09:53] <Razor-X> does anyone in this channel read anything not expressly addressed to them? :(
[09:53] <Razor-X> i've noticed that half the time I prompt ubotu to answer someone's question.... they keep asking
[09:53] <hondje> if anyone answers, that would mean yes
[09:54] <Razor-X> until they see their naem all highlighted nice in XChat
[09:54] <Razor-X> s/naem/name/
[09:54] <mebaran151> arg they need to fix breezy
[09:54] <mebaran151> I want mono pkg's
[09:54] <Razor-X> mebaran151: compile me friend
[09:54] <Burgundavia> mebaran151, the issue was upstream, and I believe it has been done
[09:54] <Madpilot> Razor-X: I've noticed that too. makes ubotu a bit hard to use sometimes
[09:55] <mebaran151> Burgundavia, huh
[09:55] <b00v> new lab with ubunut :P
[09:55] <b00v> rules
[09:55] <b00v> looking hot
[09:55] <Madpilot> ubutu tell Razor-X about ati
[09:55] <b00v> anyway, me off to other server
[09:55] <Madpilot> ubotu tell Razor-X about ati
[09:55] <Madpilot> Razor-X: you can do /msg's like that, tho
[09:55] <Razor-X> Madpilot: ahhh, I need to do that
[09:55] <mebaran151> what was upstream
[09:56] <hondje> it should use notice instead of msg
[09:56] <Burgundavia> mebaran151, sorry, the mono developers have worked on making it work with amd64 and that is in breezy, I believe (I don't run amd64, but our main mono dev does)
[09:56] <mebaran151> yeah
[09:56] <mebaran151> it works
[09:56] <mebaran151> I compiled it
[09:56] <mebaran151> sort of
[09:56] <mebaran151> it wont link anything but my own apps
[09:56] <mebaran151> and Beagle doesnt run, but I think that is a kernel thing
[09:57] <mebaran151> no inotify or extend attributes
[09:57] <Burgundavia> beagle is a mess of dependencies
[09:57] <mebaran151> yeah
[09:57] <mebaran151> it is the most neato app though
[09:57] <Burgundavia> works well in Breezy
[09:58] <mebaran151> I would like to use Breezy but the installer is a mess at the moment
[09:58] <Burgundavia> the new installer/live cd is coming
[09:58] <mebaran151> oh
[09:58] <Razor-X> I was surprised my programming concepts remain sound, even after the time I haven't programmed for....
[09:58] <mebaran151> probably why the current version is so sound
[09:58] <mebaran151> Razor-X, what's ya writing?
[09:58] <Razor-X> i'm thinking of relearning Python.... but I need an application for learning it....
[09:58] <mebaran151> I write ruby and C
[09:58] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I was talking about the language wars ;)
[09:58] <mebaran151> Ruby is a better language I believe
[09:59] <Trackilizer> hey ppl
[09:59] <mebaran151> Razor-X, en garde!
[09:59] <Razor-X> Ruby is meant more for sysadmining, no?
[09:59] <mebaran151> eh I say that aobut python
[09:59] <mebaran151> the only sysadmin language is bash and maybe perl
[09:59] <Razor-X> well, I unno, Ruby i've been recently hearing about
[09:59] <Trackilizer> can anyone send me a source.list file
[09:59] <mebaran151> Ruby is like perl on OO steroids
[09:59] <Trackilizer> a good one
[10:00] <Trackilizer> mine doesnt seem to be that good
[10:00] <Chinman> does anyone know of a pdf viewer for linux?
[10:00] <Razor-X> but, Perl is pretty much only for sysadmining
[10:00] <mebaran151> Chinman, you got xpdf
[10:00] <Burgundavia> Chinman, evince
[10:00] <mebaran151> Razor-X, and cgi ...
[10:00] <Razor-X> Chinman: XPdf and KPdf
[10:00] <Trackilizer> i cant seem to install VLC with synaptic
[10:00] <Razor-X> mebaran151: ahhh, and that too
[10:00] <Razor-X> Trackilizer: do you have universe and multiverse added to your sources.list?
[10:00] <Madpilot> !sources
[10:00] <mebaran151> Razor-X, ruby is all about OOP
[10:00] <ubotu> well, sources is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:00] <Trackilizer> i have the all the things from ubuntuguide.org
[10:00] <mebaran151> if you dont think in an oop style ruby will not fit
[10:01] <Madpilot> Trackilizer: see the link ubotu just posted
[10:01] <mebaran151> you can pretend it is procedural
[10:01] <Razor-X> i'm really happy with the reader tools in KDE, they render beautifully, and are very full featured
[10:01] <mebaran151> but it isnt
[10:01] <Razor-X> mebaran151: I prefer over-structured OO, meself
[10:01] <mebaran151> python is more hybrid
[10:01] <Trackilizer> can someone please try to install VLC and see if it works
[10:01] <mebaran151> Razor-X, me too
[10:01] <mebaran151> that is why I like Ruby
[10:01] <Razor-X> well, I need applications for Ruby, immediate ones
[10:01] <Chinman> mebaran151, Burgundavia ,Razor-x : how to get it?
[10:01] <Burgundavia> Razor-X, evince actually uses the same renderer as kpdf
[10:01] <mebaran151> Chinman, it comes iwth the system
[10:01] <Burgundavia> Chinman, it is in the universe repos
[10:02] <mebaran151> Razor-X, apps?
[10:02] <Razor-X> Burgundavia: ahhh, I thought so
[10:02] <mebaran151> liek Ruby on Rails, or Nitro, or Og?
[10:02] <Razor-X> mebaran151: but what apps? my school isn't about to let me devolop for them
[10:02] <Chinman> i see. thanks
[10:02] <Madpilot> envince is a lot cleaner than xpdf
[10:02] <Razor-X> probably the only application at this point would be a game, and some scripts that would help here and there
[10:02] <mebaran151> Razor-X, what apps are in python
[10:02] <Razor-X> I love KPdf, it's incredible, IMHO
[10:02] <Razor-X> and KDvi
[10:02] <mebaran151> if you want to learn a language, it should be based on what isnt there
[10:03] <mebaran151> not what is
[10:03] <hondje> does envince have a search feature?
[10:03] <Razor-X> mebaran151: that's true...
[10:03] <Razor-X> Python has a billion-and-one things already there
[10:03] <Burgundavia> Razor-X, the pygtk stuff used quite often
[10:03] <mebaran151> Burgundavia, ruby gnome bindings are more than decent
[10:03] <mebaran151> everybody has gnome bindings now
[10:03] <Razor-X> also libraries like pygame and stuff
[10:03] <Chinman> mebaran151, Burgundavia : and how about a chm viewer?
[10:03] <Razor-X> Chinman: xchm
[10:03] <Burgundavia> Chinman, xchm
[10:04] <Razor-X> also excellent, but not as good as native CHM viewers of Windows
[10:04] <Burgundavia> gnomchm unfortunately doesn't work on hoary
[10:04] <Razor-X> don't like CHM that much, meself
[10:04] <Razor-X> there's a gnomchm? hmmmm
[10:05] <Trackilizer> is there anyreason why aMSN freezes everytime i open it?
[10:05] <Chinman> Razor-X, Burgundavia : i can't find xchm. so how i get it?
[10:05] <Razor-X> and also, how much does a Kinkos print cost?
[10:05] <Razor-X> Chinman: do you have multiverse and universe added in your sources.list?
[10:05] <Burgundavia> Chinman, universe repository
[10:05] <Chinman> maybe
[10:06] <Razor-X> I'm planning to print one of the many LaTeX ebooks I have
[10:06] <Trackilizer> so did anyone install VLC
[10:06] <Razor-X> I have money... and it's burning a hole in my pocket... :(
[10:06] <Razor-X> Trackilizer: I did
[10:06] <Trackilizer> no
[10:06] <Trackilizer> now*?
[10:06] <Trackilizer> i cant seem to
[10:06] <Razor-X> did you add multiverse and universe to your sources.list?
[10:06] <Trackilizer> how did you do it?
[10:06] <Chinman> Razor-X, Burgundavia : where is the sources.list?
[10:07] <Burgundavia> !sources
[10:07] <ubotu> I guess sources is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:07] <Razor-X> Chinman: /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:07] <othernoob> Chinman: /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:07] <Trackilizer> is there a sources.list file i can download
[10:07] <Trackilizer> a good one?
[10:07] <othernoob> no, only bad ones :p
[10:07] <Razor-X> there was a generic one, can't remember where....
[10:07] <Razor-X> not too hard to add it yourself
[10:07] <Burgundavia> Trackilizer, better to use synaptic
[10:07] <Razor-X> hey if a 15 year old can do it, and has been doing it since he was 12 (moi) then you can too ;)
[10:07] <Trackilizer> i know its not hard opend it with gedit
[10:08] <Trackilizer> the thing is i dont know where to the the info to add
[10:08] <Madpilot> hondje: Ctrl-F gets a search box in envince
[10:08] <othernoob> Trackilizer: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[10:08] <Razor-X> add it to the end of the file
[10:08] <Razor-X> simple azzat
[10:08] <Trackilizer> thx!!
[10:08] <Chinman> Razor-X: yeah, there are multiverse and universe in my sources.list. what's the netxt step?
[10:08] <Razor-X> and prepend a # to the beginning of a file for a comment
[10:08] <othernoob> Razor-X: was that one the one you were thinking of? ^^
[10:08] <Razor-X> Chinman: sudo apt-get update
[10:09] <Razor-X> othernoob: yeah, that's the one!
[10:09] <othernoob> :)
[10:09] <Chinman> how to quit from vi editor?
[10:09] <user1> join #
[10:09] <Razor-X> Chinman: :wq
[10:09] <Razor-X> that will write the file, and quit
[10:10] <Razor-X> hit Esc first, to enter Command-mode
[10:10] <ColonelKernel> CONFIG_CC_ALIGN_FUNCTIONS <-- do I set this to 4 for 32 bit or to 32 for 32 bit? Im not finding the help very clear
[10:10] <ColonelKernel> this is in the latest kernel source
[10:10] <Chinman> Razor-X: it's not work
[10:10] <feugan3333> Hi all. Does ubuntu have a telnet server in its repository? "apt-cache search telnet" does not show anything?
[10:11] <Burgundavia> feugan3333, termnetd
[10:11] <Burgundavia> or telnetd
[10:11] <Trackilizer> ubuntu is one amazing distro
[10:11] <Razor-X> Chinman: Esc :wq should quit
[10:11] <Trackilizer> it simply works
[10:12] <Trackilizer> unlike most other distors i tried
[10:12] <Razor-X> I've only kernel compiled once
[10:12] <othernoob> Trackilizer: which did you try
[10:12] <Razor-X> and that was to prove to certain people that I have Linux mastery ;)
[10:12] <Trackilizer> Fedora core 3
[10:12] <Trackilizer> suse
[10:12] <Chinman> i directly enter wq, but it's not work
[10:12] <Trackilizer> and many others
[10:12] <Razor-X> the former is bearable, the latter is horrible
[10:12] <Razor-X> Chinman: you have to prepend a ':'
[10:12] <feugan3333> Burgundavia: With apt-get install: E: Couldn't find package telnetd
[10:12] <othernoob> Trackilizer: and why didnt they work
[10:13] <Trackilizer> they wouldnt connect to the internet
[10:13] <Razor-X> with any vi command sequence (IIRC) you have to append the `:'
[10:13] <othernoob> feugan: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38  get that sources.list
[10:13] <Trackilizer> and istalling stuff was really hard
[10:13] <Trackilizer> and my digi cam didnt work
[10:13] <ColonelKernel>  CONFIG_CC_ALIGN_FUNCTIONS <-- do I set this to 4 for 32 bit or to 32 for 32 bit? Im not finding the help very clear
[10:13] <Razor-X> well, FC3 had yum
[10:13] <Razor-X> ColonelKernel: try #linux
[10:13] <Trackilizer> and my mp3 player didnt work either
[10:13] <Trackilizer> everything works with ubuntu
[10:14] <Trackilizer> and ubuntu has ubuntuguide.org
[10:14] <Burgundavia> feugan3333, it is in the universe repository
[10:14] <Razor-X> on a Fedora box, back when there was FC1 and I tried it, I used apt-rpm for sanity
[10:14] <Trackilizer> very usefull
[10:14] <Chinman> Razor-X: it's still not work, but shows "E45: 'readonly' option is set (add ! to override) "
[10:14] <ColonelKernel> hey I didnt mean to post that twice
[10:14] <Razor-X> !guide
[10:14] <ubotu> Razor-X: I don't know
[10:14] <Trackilizer> something all other distros didnt have
[10:14] <ColonelKernel> sorry about that
[10:14] <Razor-X> !ubuntuguide
[10:14] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[10:14] <feugan3333> Burgundavia: ahh, Ok thanks
[10:14] <othernoob> Trackilizer: heh, Trackilizer FC3 has yum to install things, FC3 does not have mp3 support by default, but easily obtained. FC has a guide as well, by far better than the ubuntuguide ;).. and setting up a inet connection with FC is really easy
[10:14] <Razor-X> Chinman: that's because you have to be root to modify the file
[10:15] <Razor-X> you should've done sudo vi
[10:15] <Razor-X> if you want to go anywhere with vi, take the tutorial... if you want to go anywhere with Linux, learn emacs ;)
[10:15] <Trackilizer> well, my internet connection worked at boot up with ubuntu
[10:15] <Trackilizer> didnt with FC3
[10:15] <Trackilizer> any my digicam didnt work with FC
[10:15] <Trackilizer> FC3*
[10:16] <Trackilizer> and my mp3 player
[10:16] <Trackilizer> so...
[10:16] <feugan3333> Will the packages in Universe ever be newer that the packages from the default repository, thereby upgrading default packages?
[10:16] <axis> :]
[10:16] <Burgundavia> feugan3333, universe is a different repo
[10:16] <axis> wow what ablast from the past
[10:16] <Razor-X> feugan3333: universe and multiverse are meant to supplement the packages from the main repos
[10:16] <Burgundavia> there are no packages in universe that are in main
[10:16] <Razor-X> backports are meant to contain different versions, but YMMV
[10:17] <feugan3333> so there is no danger of replacing packages?
[10:17] <Burgundavia> no
[10:17] <Razor-X> Your Mileage May Vary
[10:17] <Razor-X> things can break, be careful if you decide to use backports
[10:17] <Chinman> Razor-X: i finished the update job, but i still can't find xchm?
[10:17] <Burgundavia> feugan3333, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[10:17] <feugan3333> thanks
[10:17] <Fulg> 500 OOPS: cap_set_proc
[10:17] <Razor-X> Chinman: well, you added multiverse and universe... right?
[10:17] <Fulg> 500 OOPS: cap_set_proc
[10:17] <Fulg> vsftpd issue
[10:18] <Chinman> Razor-X: right
[10:18] <Fulg> anyone ?any ideea ?
[10:18] <Razor-X> Chinman: odd....
[10:18] <Razor-X> xchm is there in my repos... but I have a huge sources.list
[10:18] <Razor-X> try the generic one above
[10:19] <Razor-X> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[10:19] <Trackilizer> why cant someone just post thier sources.list file?
[10:19] <Razor-X> my own search returns:
[10:19] <Razor-X> i   xchm                            - Compiled HTML Help (CHM) file viewer for X
[10:19] <Razor-X> not many people are ready for my sources.list ;)
[10:19] <Burgundavia> Trackilizer, synaptic will do it all for you
[10:19] <Trackilizer> i wont have to add anything?
[10:20] <Razor-X> with 67 lines, and only a handfull of comments, it's cryptic at best
[10:20] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:20] <Trackilizer> cool!
[10:20] <Razor-X> or you can use what I pasted above
[10:20] <Razor-X> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[10:20] <Trackilizer> ill try as soon as i get home
[10:20] <Trackilizer> i really want VLC but it doesnt seem to want to work
[10:20] <Fulg> Razor-X can u help me ?
[10:20] <Razor-X> Fulg: shoot
[10:20] <Fulg> Fulg> 500 OOPS: cap_set_proc
 vsftpd issue
[10:21] <Invis> hello everyone
[10:21] <Razor-X> ahhh
[10:21] <Razor-X> not sure,s orry
[10:21] <Fulg> could it be the kernel ?
[10:21] <Razor-X> possibly... possibly
[10:21] <Chinman> Razor-X: how to modify the sources.list?
[10:22] <Trackilizer> gedit etc/usr/sources.list
[10:22] <Razor-X> Chinman: open it up in your favorite text editor with root privileges
[10:22] <Razor-X> like gedit, or vi ;)
[10:24] <Razor-X> anyways, it's time I leave for the night
[10:24] <Razor-X> night all
[10:25] <[Spooky] > can i force umount a cdrom ?
[10:25] <Invis> I have some exotic device connected to parallel port. It is printer argox amigo series:a100, a200, a300. I cant make it work in any way, cups wont work, printcap makes no sense. Tried with generic and raw, still no help. I can connect printer to usb or parallel port, forgot to mention its barcode printer. Anyway, tried doing this: "dd if=barcode.txt of=/dev/lpt" from lpt, lpr and lp0-8. Didn't worked out. Tried sending "cat barcode.txt"
[10:26] <axis^zzz> [Spooky]  : umount /dev/drive
[10:27] <[Spooky] > axis_zombocom: dosent work
[10:27] <Madpilot> [Spooky] : sudo eject?
[10:27] <axis_zombocom> [Spooky] , : what's the error
[10:27] <[Spooky] > "device busy"
[10:27] <feugan3333> Where do source packages install? eg I'm looking for the source code for telnetd which I installed with: "apt-get source telnetd"
[10:27] <axis_zombocom> [Spooky] ,  are you in the root terminal
[10:27] <axis_zombocom> or just regular terminal
[10:27] <hyphenated> feugan3333: in the current directory
[10:28] <[Spooky] > axis_zombocom: yes
[10:28] <[Spooky] > root trem
[10:28] <[Spooky] > *term
[10:29] <feugan3333> hyphenated: lol, I'm an idiot
[10:29] <hyphenated> feugan3333: then I guess I was too, the first time I used apt-get source
[10:29] <axis_zombocom> [Spooky] : umount -r /dev/dev
[10:29] <axis_zombocom> [Spooky] , : what's your drives name
[10:29] <axis_zombocom> hd what
[10:30] <hyphenated> I didn't ask where it installed to, but I looked in /usr/src and so on for a while :-)
[10:30] <axis_zombocom> [Spooky] : dmesg|grep CD
[10:30] <feugan3333> thanks
[10:31] <axis_zombocom> feugan3333, you could also "sudo updatedb" then "locate <file>"
[10:31] <axis_zombocom> updatedb updates your file list index
[10:31] <axis_zombocom> and locate searches through it
[10:31] <axis_zombocom> better then find
[10:31] <[Spooky] > axis_zombocom: didnt get anything on dmesg thing...
[10:31] <feugan3333> yes, I was using find but it was taking very long.
[10:31] <axis_zombocom> [Spooky] ,  Are you sure linux mounted them in the first place?
[10:32] <[Spooky] > axis_zombocom: yes i have copied some files...
[10:32] <feugan3333> what is a file with a dsc extention?
[10:32] <[Spooky] > and i have the cd icon on the desktop...
[10:33] <axis_zombocom> [Spooky] : type "mount -l"
[10:33] <axis_zombocom> list your drives
[10:33] <feugan3333> lists your mounted drives ;-)
[10:34] <axis_zombocom> [Spooky] : do you see anything with "CD" in it
[10:34] <Madpilot> feugan3333: dsc files - a quick google found me this http://nixdoc.net/man-pages/Linux/man8/dpkg-scansources.8.html
[10:34] <fgr> hello, i have utf-8 in x-chat and im using hoary with en_US.UTF-8 as locale. i can't see correctly + (plus) in xchat. where's the mistake?
[10:34] <[Spooky] > axis_zombocom: "/dev/hdd on /media/cdrom0 type iso9660 (ro)" ?
[10:34] <Madpilot> +  that should be a plus sign
[10:34] <[Spooky] > should i use umount -r /dev/hdd ?
[10:34] <axis_zombocom> [Spooky] , : try  "umount -r /dev/hdd"
[10:35] <fgr> Madpilot, can't see plus
[10:35] <axis_zombocom> yepo
[10:35] <fgr> +
[10:35] <axis_zombocom> [Spooky]  good call
[10:35] <axis_zombocom> [Spooky] ,  try that
[10:35] <[Spooky] > hm just getting the device is busy...
[10:35] <axis_zombocom> [Spooky] ,  "umount -f /dev/hdd"
[10:35] <Madpilot> fgr: I saw the plus sign you posted. three of them: + + +
[10:36] <axis_zombocom> you can always type "man umount" to get the help files
[10:36] <axis_zombocom> man <command"
[10:36] <[Spooky] > axis_zombocom: same :(
[10:37] <axis_zombocom> [Spooky] : umount -l /dev/hdd
[10:37] <feugan3333> thanks Madpilot
[10:37] <axis_zombocom> have you tried pressing the button on the cd drive
[10:37] <axis_zombocom> hehe
[10:38] <[Spooky] > axis_zombocom: yeah that worked... dunno why it gets stuked like that...
[10:38] <axis_zombocom> hoy
[10:38] <axis_zombocom> spooky
[10:39] <axis_zombocom> type
[10:39] <[Spooky] > axis_zombocom: thanks btw :)
[10:39] <axis_zombocom> hdparm /dev/hdd
[10:39] <axis_zombocom> np
[10:39] <axis_zombocom> does it say 16 bit i/o
[10:39] <axis_zombocom> if you want to take it a step further
[10:39] <[Spooky] > 32-bit
[10:39] <Trackilizer> if nothing works press ctrl - alt - del
[10:39] <axis_zombocom> add "hdparm -d1c1 /dev/hdd" to the end of the file "/etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[10:39] <axis_zombocom> [Spooky] : ok you're good to go
[10:40] <axis_zombocom> [Spooky] , : no worries
[10:40] <[Spooky] > ok :)
[10:40] <axis_zombocom> [Spooky] : if it gets stuck, it should just eject with the button, my comp does that too.. it isn't an LG by chance, is it?
[10:40] <[Spooky] > nope a Nec
[10:40] <axis_zombocom> lg burner or MSI motherboard?
[10:40] <axis_zombocom> coo
[10:41] <fgr> Madpilot, really can't see any plus i typed. i have en_us.UTF-8 and an italian keyboard. maybe i can't use keyboard setting that differs from locale?
[10:43] <^rob^> hi
[10:44] <epiloc> hi
[10:44] <^rob^> i have a Damn big problem - just upgraded as ubuntu say - even the kernel - now - i can't see my hda or cdrom - just sata disk - any clue what to do?
[10:44] <epiloc> im too noob
[10:44] <^rob^>  2.6.10-5-386
[10:45] <epiloc> thats what im running
[10:46] <^rob^> epiloc: can you pls do a lsmod |grep ide?
[10:46] <^rob^> and dump the result to private
[10:47] <epiloc> im running kubuntu
[10:47] <^rob^> np
[10:47] <epiloc> still want me to run lsmod?
[10:47] <^rob^> do you have sata?
[10:47] <^rob^> yes
[10:47] <^rob^> please
[10:47] <Chinman> is there a player likes xmms in ubuntu?
[10:47] <Trackilizer> yes
[10:47] <Trackilizer> xmms
[10:47] <^rob^> do you have cdrom - no? and ide hdd
[10:47] <Sponge_> Question: Is there any way to fix the font problems caused by installing kde appz into gnome?
[10:48] <Chinman> Trackilizer: i can't find xmms.
[10:48] <^rob^> it seems that my kernel does not load ide modules if sata is fount
[10:48] <ubuntu> sdf
[10:48] <nxv_> several laptops have integrated intel wireless mini pccards with an external wlan switch, how can i query it's status on or off?
[10:48] <Sponge_> (Even nerolinux looks horrible on gnome)
[10:48] <Trackilizer> Chinman, use synaptic
[10:48] <slak> HI NIGGERS!  I'm not in mood today...  What can I do to fix that?
[10:52] <Sponge_> Madpilot: I guess is the letter... jajaja :D
[10:52] <Amaranth> +q means they can be here but can't talk
[10:52] <Sponge_> Hey mister operator --- that means that I'm able to say to him everything I ever wanted... ?  :P
[10:53] <Madpilot> and +b is outright banning?
[10:53] <Amaranth> Yep.
[10:53] <Sponge_> Amaranth: But... mister operator.... you've no sense of humor :P
[10:53] <Chinman> i want a soft which can translate the english to chinese and the chinese to english.
[10:54] <hondje> lot of people do :)
[10:54] <hondje> have you looked at bablefish?
[10:54] <Ghetek> is there an mp3 player that works in the console?
[10:54] <anacron> bablefish is really handy
[10:54] <Ghetek> an mp3player that doesnt use x?
[10:54] <Amaranth> Ghetek: mpg123?
[10:55] <Sponge_> uuuu.... What can I do to solve font problems???
[10:55] <Sponge_> Nerolinux looks "functional" (I don't wanna say "horrible"... )
[10:56] <Sponge_> xota: Where are you from?
[10:56] <Ghetek> Amaranth: dling now
[10:56] <^rob^> Sponge_: Nerolinux sux
[10:56] <^rob^> :)
[10:57] <anacron> which one i should use, nerolinux or k3b?
[10:57] <Sponge_> ^rob^: But is far more functional than cdrecord...
[10:57] <Sponge_> anacron: K3b is quite cool...
[10:57] <Burgundavia> anacron, k3b, because it is free
[10:57] <Sponge_> anacron: nerolinux is closed source, however... that little proggy only does what it has to do: BURN!
[10:58] <Trackilizer> k3b is still in testing
[10:58] <[Spooky] > i love k3b...
[10:58] <Sponge_> I gotta say that I see a bright future for gnomebaker...
[10:58] <Trackilizer> read that somewhere in a blog
[10:58] <xota> Sponge_, i'm from spain, excuse the "saluda" ;)
[10:58] <Sponge_> xota: Yo soy de chile, as que saludos de estos lados del planeta :P -- por eso te pregunte :D
[10:58] <anacron> so k3b it is, what is gnomebaker?
[10:59] <Sponge_> anacron: Gnomebaker is the simplest proggy for cd/dvd burning I've ever seen. Is ugly, but quite functional.
[11:00] <othernoob> Sponge_: you've never used k3b have you
[11:00] <^rob^> Sponge_: use k3b
[11:00] <Sponge_> anacron: If you want it, get it from gnomebaker.sf.net... grab the source and compile it yourself (I havent seen the binaries around T-T)
[11:00] <byxtha001> helooooooo
[11:00] <Trackilizer> you can install it with apt-get
[11:00] <Madpilot> Sponge_: Gnomebaker is in Ubuntu's repos, no need to compile!
[11:00] <Trackilizer> you dont have to compile the whole thing yourself
[11:01] <Sponge_> othernoob: YES... I've used it!!! --- uuu. It's my favorite proggy in case of computer collapse! (knoppix!)
[11:01] <Madpilot> Trackilizer: :)
[11:01] <othernoob> the only real way to burn is cli cdrdao
[11:01] <Sponge_> Madpilot: You mean gnomebaker 0.4 is out?
[11:02] <Madpilot> Sponge_: the repos version is 0.3
[11:02] <anacron> gnomebaker sound's small, maybe i'll try that before k3b
[11:03] <Sponge_> anacron: Are you using ubuntu? --- Because if you're a gnome user, you will have to download a lot of additional libraries in order to make k3b run... (it's a kde app!)
[11:03] <Sponge_> anacron: that's why I don't like it.
[11:03] <Trackilizer> again you can use synaptic for that
[11:04] <Trackilizer> it will dload all the other l
[11:04] <hondje> drag and drop, easy enough that even I can use it
[11:04] <Chinman> 15/07/2005 Gnomebaker 0.4 is out. Get it here.  I can't configure xorg to use the apple key as AltGr. It worked till one week or so. Then some update broke it.
[11:05] <tapia> any help, please?
[11:05] <Madpilot> Sponge_: Synaptic takes care of all the dependencies. I've got K3b on this (gnome) machine
[11:05] <anacron> hyphenated: that's true, but basicly that's same as ubuntu user
[11:05] <hondje> Madpilot: you mean make them, or burn them?
[11:05] <Madpilot> hondje: burn ISOs. will Nautilus?
[11:05] <hondje> because to burn an ISO in gnome, you just have to right click on it and pick the burning option
[11:05] <Burgundavia> indeed
[11:05] <hyphenated> anacron: apart from the fact that they'll have all the libraries required for k3b already installed. which was Sponge_'s point, I think
[11:06] <Madpilot> hondje: heh. nvrmnd...
[11:06] <Sponge_> Madpilot: That's right, If you have a big hard disk! :P
[11:06] <hondje> :)
[11:06] <Sponge_> Madpilot: And a fast internet connection (not my case :( )
[11:06] <Madpilot> Sponge_: HDD are down to less than $1/Gb now...
[11:06] <anacron> hyphenated: well anyway, i am ubuntu user :)
[11:07] <Sponge_> Madpilot: But I live in the very end of the world! --- here PC's hardware is quite expensive!! T-T
[11:07] <othernoob> Sponge_: where do you live?
[11:07] <anacron> where is the end of world?
[11:07] <othernoob> some say america :p
[11:07] <Sponge_> othernoob: I live in .cl
[11:07] <hondje> dot-what?
[11:07] <Sponge_> .CL
[11:07] <anacron> :D
[11:08] <Madpilot> Sponge_: you live in an internet doman? ;)
[11:08] <othernoob> chile hondje
[11:08] <helloyo> can anyone help me with beagle? "** ERROR **: file class.c: line 2119 (mono_class_setup_parent): should not be reached"
[11:08] <hondje> othernoob: I just looked it up, should have been lazy and waited :)
[11:08] <anacron> i'll check where is that with google earth :D
[11:08] <Sponge_> Madpilot: Yeah, and I just moved to a new server :P --- It has slackware installed :D
[11:08] <Madpilot> anacron: Chile
[11:08] <Sponge_> Madpilot: A very beautiful server farm !
[11:08] <hondje> I saw it on a map once
[11:08] <Chinman> how to install a .deb file?
[11:09] <Sponge_> Chinman: dpkg -i "foo"
[11:09] <othernoob> Chinman: sudo dpkg -i xyz.deb
[11:09] <anacron> Madpilot: well if you say chile, i know it's "there", but i'd like to see where it really is
[11:09] <Sponge_> Chinman: (as superuser)
[11:09] <othernoob> anacron: you didn't have geography in school?
[11:09] <Sponge_> anacron: Well... next to Argentina :)
[11:10] <hondje> on the other side of the andes
[11:10] <helloyo> can anyone help me with beagle? "** ERROR **: file class.c: line 2119 (mono_class_setup_parent): should not be reached"
[11:10] <Sponge_> othernoob: Planet Earth, South America, Chile, Temuco (is the city)...
[11:10] <anacron> othernoob: yes but i didn't listen
[11:10] <othernoob> anacron: somewhere in the middle of some water, that's where chile is :p
[11:10] <hondje> you know what's fun to say to south americans? "You speak mexican, down there, right?"
[11:10] <anacron> othernoob: well i already know, google earth shows me :D
[11:11] <Sponge_> T-T
[11:11] <othernoob> hondje: i don't get the joke..
[11:12] <Sponge_> Well, this chilean guy has to leave. Current "chilean time" is 5:12 am... and I need to sleep. I have to keep myself away from my computer.  Just installed Ubuntu on my PC and when i boot up it says it cant load X Server, in the detailed reason it says something about no screen configuration
[11:13] <bean> Hi.  Whats the Ubuntu default root password? Didnt give me the option to set one in the install
[11:15] <Trackilizer> see ya later pll
[11:15] <Trackilizer> bye
[11:15] <anacron> im not sure :D
[11:16] <ColonelKernel> well that seemed to work out rather well
[11:16] <Burgundavia> Sam3773, wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[11:16] <hondje> Sam3773: none, you use sudo for everything :)
[11:16] <daves> hi folks,
[11:16] <ColonelKernel> I changed some of the standard system feature settings and now things are running kinda fast
[11:16] <Sam3773> Ah cheers :D Well, brb then, hopefully on Ubuntu
[11:16] <ColonelKernel> lets try 3d
[11:17] <hondje> oh, I found a minor bug in nautilus, yay
[11:17] <anacron> hurray
[11:17] <Burgundavia> hondje, what sort of bug?
[11:17] <ColonelKernel> hmm a lil choppy on 3d
[11:17] <anacron> i personally would be happier if there wouldn't be any errors
[11:17] <hondje> a real minor one
[11:17] <hondje> if you drag and emblem to the desktop, the reset button doesn't put it back
[11:18] <hondje> er, I mean a patter
[11:18] <hondje> n
[11:18] <daves> just installed warty, and hope someone can help with things I wish to do
[11:18] <anacron> "sorry we help only with hoary"
[11:18] <anacron> :D
[11:19] <Tirno> Hi people. I'm having trouble with my internet connexion. I can usually access all urls. But when I'm at school, I'm behind a vpn (using vpnc). and I can no longer access certain websites. There is no problem when I'm under windows and using the official vpn-client (cisco's I think) is this a problem with vpnc?
[11:19] <daves> how do you setup a downloaded area of debs for synaptic to use ?
[11:20] <ColonelKernel> yeah, 3d is kinda choppy
[11:20] <Belutz> hai all
[11:20] <daves> can anyone point me to a IRC for warty ?
[11:20] <Belutz> how do i open .vsd file in ubuntu?
[11:20] <hondje> daves: you add 'repositories', either in synaptic or in /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:20] <memorial> install hoary!!!
[11:21] <hondje> why? Isn't warty supposed to be supported for 18 months?
[11:21] <Burgundavia> daves, we can help you with warty, but there isn;t much reason not to upgrade to hoary
[11:22] <daves> hondje ya can do that but need to create a packages.gz
[11:22] <anacron> how can i configure my no-ip tool, if i download it with apt-get?
[11:23] <daves> what i have done is to d/l OOo 1.9 snapshot to try and use synaptic to install the app.
[11:23] <hondje> oooh
[11:23] <hondje> synaptic can't do that
[11:23] <hondje> is it a .deb file?
[11:23] <hondje> or the tarball?
[11:24] <daves> Burgundavia ya using 56k modem so am using warty as a test bed
[11:24] <hondje> tarball == .tar.gz, .tar.bz2, .tgz, or some reasonably close varient
[11:25] <concept10> anyone know about gnome theme details
[11:25] <daves> hondje tarball (think it's rpm too inside) anyways did do a conversion with an older snapshot - all fine but got hit with the packages issue
[11:26] <Madpilot> amusing Linux-adopter story, from one of the online forums I frequent. this guy installs Linux, then goes to M$ to find a Linux version of IE6... ouch
[11:26] <Madpilot> http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=94318 <-- forum thread there, if anyone needs a giggle. "BBurger" is me...
[11:26] <daves> hondje did manage to create "a" pakages.gz then went into synaptic and entered the following lines
[11:27] <Belutz> !visio
[11:27] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, Belutz
[11:27] <daves> url = files:/home dir for debs
[11:27] <daves> description = downloads
[11:27] <Belutz> !vsd
[11:27] <ubotu> Wish i knew, Belutz
[11:27] <othernoob> daves: you just want to install OpenOffice 2 beta, right?
[11:28] <daves> service = hard drive
[11:28] <^rob^> how can i make lilo load piix before sata drivers?
[11:28] <daves> but it crocked on me
[11:29] <daves> othernoob Yup that's right
[11:29] <ColonelKernel> ok so 16 is better than 32
[11:29] <hondje> daves: if you downloaded the .debs, why not dpkg -i them? Are you trying to run your own repository?
[11:30] <ColonelKernel> now I still need some help keeping some modules from loading up with hotplug, I listed some in /etc/hotplug/blacklist but they are still loading when I boot
[11:31] <ColonelKernel> to be honest I dont like hotplug
[11:31] <ColonelKernel> i'd be happy just to remove it
[11:31] <daves> sorta yes im new to Debian
[11:31] <othernoob> daves: http://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/devel/680/   download 106, extract it to a directory, remove the testtool.deb (it's useless anyway, and will prevent you from installing)
[11:32] <compubomb> i have a question, i setup ubuntu and it didn't ask me for a root password
[11:32] <mumbles> !sudo
[11:32] <ubotu> hmm... sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:32] <compubomb> how the hell do i get to root ?
[11:32] <othernoob> daves: then cd to that directory in a terminal and type sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[11:32] <hondje> daves: to get the debs installed, just run 'sudo dpkg -i <filename>', setting up your own repository would take a little bit of reading
[11:32] <daves> I was able to get rpms (Mandrake) create a repository and use the software manager to install 'em
[11:32] <mumbles> compubomb, use the link that ubuntu gave
[11:32] <^rob^> can grub see lvm ?
[11:32] <memorial> you dont need a root acc compubomb, try do use sudo :D
[11:33] <othernoob> daves: the precompiled debs later than 106 will cause problems
[11:33] <othernoob> or not let you install at all
[11:33] <randabis> compubomb: ubuntu doesn't use the root account in the traditional way that most distros use it.   I'd personally like to ditch hotplug altogether but i've been told this is impossible
[11:39] <daves> using gnome used to kde and this is a learning curve too
[11:40] <Madpilot> OK, cool. Opera IRC does have an auto-authenticate feature. Cool.
[11:41] <tombs> hi ppl
[11:42] <funkyHat> how can i make sure gxmms loads with --with-bmp ?
[11:43] <mrverbose> Hin, does ubuntu also come with icewm, or is there just gnome as desktop/wm?
[11:44] <compubomb> what do i have to install to get shared services ?
[11:44] <ColonelKernel> yeah I was wrong bout the memory too, i guess they arent sucking up much memory at all
[11:44] <funkyHat> mrverbose, icewm is in the repositores, so you can install and use it if you want
[11:44] <[Spooky] > sshd isnt default in Ubuntu ?
[11:45] <funkyHat> no, it isn't
[11:45] <scorpio2002> hi there!
[11:45] <scorpio2002> I'm new to Ubuntu and I need help
[11:45] <anacron> scorpio2002: just ask
[11:46] <anacron> [Spooky] : i don't think it is
[11:46] <scorpio2002> can't complete the installatin, it gets stuck at "Configuring APT" at 50 %...  :|
[11:46] <orangerange> WinXp has an on-screen keyboard feature (perhaps for the visually handicapped/or those who can't use a real keyboard well). How about Ubuntu? Is there a virtual keyboard that shows up on the monitor/dispaly?
[11:46] <compubomb> question, what package do i need to install shared-services from System->administration->shared folders
[11:46] <mrverbose> funkyHat, fine, just thought because there was an extra version of the install cd if you want kde. so i thought there was no other way of getting arround kde/gnome
[11:47] <mrverbose> because i cannot afford any of them, for my box is too slow and has low memory
[11:47] <scorpio2002> I also started a topic in the official forum: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=50124
[11:48] <scorpio2002> I saw there are some work-arounds, but they don't let you complete the installation and you and up with a system missing packages
[11:48] <scorpio2002> :|
[11:49] <funkyHat> orangerange, gok
[11:49] <orangerange> funkyHat, thank you! stay funky!
[11:49] <anacron> :D
[11:49] <funkyHat> np :D
[11:49] <scorpio2002> nobody can help me?
[11:49] <scorpio2002> :|
[11:50] <orangerange> funkyHat, wow! it takes 30Megabytes????!!! is this correct?
[11:50] <funkyHat> um... i don't know
[11:50] <scorpio2002> :
[11:50] <funkyHat> oh, it seems to have a lot of dependencies
[11:50] <scorpio2002> :|
[11:51] <orangerange> funkyhat, using commandline, how can you do the equivalent of a synaptic search?
[11:52] <memorial> apt-cache search foo
[11:52] <funkyHat> apt-cache search
[11:53] <orangerange> memorial, funkyHat just wondering: why not apt-get search foo?
[11:54] <memorial> because you are searching the cache :D
[11:54] <funkyHat> apt-cache does no changes to the system
[11:54] <tzuqris> i gotta say guys...
[11:54] <tzuqris> i like ubuntu
[11:54] <MidNightRaVeN> i kinda have a dumb question... but i accidentally removed the Trash bin icon from my bottom panel and does anyone know who i can restore it?
[11:55] <orangerange> um, i got gok. but when  i run it, I get this error: ** ERROR **: Could not locate registry
[11:55] <memorial> yeaah tzuqris it`s the best !
[11:55] <tzuqris> memorial: well...i still am quite fond of slack
[11:55] <compubomb> tzuqris: me too, so far the desktop is very posh in terms of interoperability
[11:55] <Madpilot> MidNightRaVeN: you're in gnome?
[11:55] <MidNightRaVeN> Madpilot: yup =)
[11:55] <compubomb> MidNightRaVeN: yea, rightclick add panel
[11:55] <Madpilot> MidNightRaVeN: OK. just right-click on your panel, Add Panel, find Trash
[11:56] <tzuqris> it does bother me that some of these packages happen to be extremely old...
[11:56] <MidNightRaVeN> compubomb and Madpilot thx =D
[11:56] <Madpilot> MidNightRaVeN: after you add it, right-click on Trash & select Move to get it where you need it
[11:56] <Madpilot> I erased my Trash bin twice last night
[11:56] <Madpilot> hit "Remove From Toolbar" istead of "Empty Trash" - restored - then did it again. *doh*
[11:57] <MidNightRaVeN> lol I was just messing with my panels and I did it... and then i thought i might be stuck without a trash bin for life ;-)
[11:58] <MidNightRaVeN> hmmmm... i can't seem to get it to move to the right side of my screen panels =/ it won't just move over
[11:58] <funkyHat> MidNightRaVeN,  right click on the workspace switcher, click 'lock to panel'
[11:59] <funkyHat> then try again
[11:59] <MidNightRaVeN> funkyHat: sweet, thx!
[11:59] <tzuqris> alright guys...say i want gaim newer than 1.1.4....am i gonna have to build myself or is there a place with newer packages
[12:01] <funkyHat> tzuqris, get the rpm from sourceforge and do alien -i *packagename*
[12:01] <topyli> tzuqris: i have gaim 1.4.0 but i don't see much of a difference
[12:01] <Madpilot> "Lock To Panel" doesn't actually seem to work. You can still select Remove From Panel and it'll vanish...
[12:01] <Nomis_> tzuqris, get the autopackage from the gaim website. its very easy to install
[12:01] <tzuqris> :/
[12:01] <funkyHat> tzuqris, do what he said :D
[12:01] <tzuqris> i will just build my own
[12:02] <topyli> Madpilot: lock only locks the applet position, you can still remove it
[12:02] <Madpilot> topyli: ah, OK, misunderstood the point of lock to panel!
[12:05] <mumbles> back
[12:05] <tzuqris> well guys...i was only using gaim as an example
[12:05] <mumbles-work> time for work even
[12:05] <tzuqris> if i can not download more recent stuff then i would like to build my own packages
[12:05] <funkyHat> tzuqris, there is a backports repository (which you can get from the unofficial ubuntu user guide site), but it's not recommended
[12:06] <albert_> Hi all. Is there any way to access a remote resource (windows share) from the file dialog of gnome apps? I have a lot of ogg files in a samba share but I can't find how to use them from Rhythmbox
[12:07] <Chinman> how to unmount a device?
[12:07] <tzuqris> the umount command
[12:07] <othernoob> Chinman: sudo umount -l /dev/hdX , X being c for example..
[12:08] <othernoob> or sudo umount -f ....
[12:08] <orangerange> anybody use gok here? i installed it but got this error: ** ERROR **: Could not locate registry. What must i do?
[12:09] <Ila-ri> albert_: map the Samba-share with Nautilus, and then you are able to add the contents from it to Rhythmbox-library
[12:10] <Chinman> is there a partition manager software in ubuntu?
[12:10] <othernoob> qparted ?
[12:10] <Pretoriano> hola
[12:10] <orangerange> Nomis_,  you recommended that tzuqris gets gaim from gaim website. Is there no harm? if no harm, what's the use of having a ubuntu repository. and speaking about getting direct from website, i heard that OOo (1.1.x and a pseudo- 2.0) in repostiory are  not very good. Is it okay to get the latest stable version from the OOo website?
[12:10] <Madpilot> off to sleep. good night/morning/day/whatever, everyone
[12:11] <epiloc> ok, im following a simple tutorial on installing the fglrx drivers for my radeon... but im receiving an error after the command apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386 xorg-driver-fglrx
[12:11] <othernoob> orangerange: afaik, there are only rpms on the official OOo site.
[12:11] <Ila-ri> albert_: to map the Samba-share, go to Places --> Connect to Server, and there Windows share...
[12:11] <Pretoriano> no entiendo nada
[12:11] <othernoob> orangerange: http://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/devel/680/  --get 106
[12:11] <epiloc> Reading package lists... Done
[12:12] <epiloc> Building dependency tree... Done
[12:12] <epiloc> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386 is already the newest version.
[12:12] <epiloc> E: Couldn't find package xorg-driver-fglrx
[12:12] <compubomb> what a pile
[12:12] <compubomb> eterm > gnome terminal
[12:12] <funkyHat> orangerange, the point of having an ubuntu repository is so those of us that are lazy don't have to do much work to keep up to date :P
[12:12] <Whistler> is there any way to view installed packages without synaptic?
[12:12] <othernoob> orangerange: the deb files of course ..they're in a tar.gz, extract that with Ark to a directory, delete the testtool.deb , then cd to the dir, sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[12:12] <Ila-ri> Whistler: apt-get...
[12:13] <othernoob> orangerange: do not get anything higher than 106, they will not install on ubuntu
[12:13] <derelictfrog> can any one help me to mount my sata raid 0?
[12:13] <orangerange> othernoob, is it safe to get ooo from outside ubuntu repository?
[12:13] <Grid_block> hey all
[12:13] <othernoob> orangerange: it's not only safe, it will actually work
[12:13] <othernoob> orangerange: unlike the OOo from the repos...which are outdated and broke
[12:13] <funkyHat> heh, i have OOo 2 beta working fine from the ubuntu repos
[12:14] <orangerange> i still don' understand what's the point of having a limiited/confining repository , if it sounds like stuff outside the repo are okay to use, and, in this case, better.
[12:14] <othernoob> orangerange: i'd rather not voice my opinion about that ;)
[12:14] <Ila-ri> Whistler: sorry, 'apt-cache pkgnames --installed' is the command to list all installed packages.
[12:14] <orangerange> on OOo site. the stable version (1.1.4) is in tar.gz format.
[12:14] <albert_> Ila-ri: I have the samba share mapped and it shows in the file dialog, but then rhythmbox doesn't import the files... 0 songs
[12:15] <orangerange> othernoob, please do.
[12:15] <othernoob> orangerange: naa, i'd get banned if i flamed ubuntu :p
[12:15] <funkyHat> hahaha
[12:15] <tzuqris> orangerange: i will be building a few packages for myself
[12:15] <tzuqris> in case you are curious
[12:15] <derelictfrog> ne one help me troublshoot mounting my raid0 drives?
[12:16] <orangerange> othernoob, would you be banned if you said something not nice about ubuntu here? perhaps we can all learn from it, and maybe we can find out the truth of the matter .
[12:17] <[Spooky] > i have a charmap issue with irssi, anyone knows how to enable ISO-8859-15 ?
[12:17] <othernoob> orangerange: well, in all honesty, i find this distro to be quite poor, only hyped and well marketed, and of course, free-cd shipping helps its status as popular distro
[12:17] <funkyHat> i think it's really annoying that they don't keep the repos up to date with stuff like firefox and OOo, when the new versions are better (and, in the case of firefox, you have to hack your user-agent string to use the mozilla extensions site)
[12:17] <QMario> Is it possible to scan using an HP PSC 2410?
[12:18] <funkyHat> i think it's a good distro, it could just do with keeping more up to date ;)
[12:18] <QMario> With XSANE.
[12:18] <orangerange> othernoob, I i wanted your opinion on ubuntu's repository
[12:18] <orangerange> othernoob, it sounded like you thought ubuntu's repository was useless.
[12:19] <QMario> I tried downloading the 'hpoj' driver, and running the setup, but the it says that it failed to communicate with the device. Can anyone tell me what the problem is?
[12:19] <Ila-ri> albert_: hmm, for me, it works all right.
[12:19] <othernoob> orangerange: well.. the entire concept of backporting is idiotic, the only repos which will be updated are the security repos.. no maintainence of the others even though the hoary is still the latest version
[12:19] <Ila-ri> albert_: are you able to browse the samba-share with nautilus?
[12:19] <orangerange> don't all distros have the equivalent of repos?
[12:20] <QMario> This site says that scanning works with this printer, but it doesn't. http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-PSC_2400
[12:20] <othernoob> no
[12:20] <albert_> Ila-ri: yes, I can browse, copy and write in the samba-share
[12:20] <derelictfrog> so no one knows nething about mounting raid0
[12:21] <albert_> Ila-ri, if I copy the files on my desktop, everything works perfectly
[12:21] <Ila-ri> weird... sorry I can't help anymore.
[12:22] <albert_> Ila-ri: thanks!
[12:22] <orangerange> so other distros that don't use repositories, where do the users get their stuff?
[12:22] <funkyHat> derelictfrog, don't you just mount it in the same way as a normal drive?
[12:23] <QMario> Can anyone tell me what is wrong?
[12:23] <QMario> Has anyone ever experienced this problem before?
[12:25] <QMario> Is anyone still here?
[12:26] <orangerange> so can i get people's adivice here. Is it okay to get openoffice from outside official ubuntu repository?
[12:26] <funkyHat> yes, it looks like no-one knows how to help you
[12:26] <othernoob> orangerange: yes it is
[12:26] <funkyHat> orangerange, yes
[12:26] <othernoob> orangerange: you're not confined to the repos. you can do what you want.
[12:26] <Corical> brb
[12:27] <orangerange> what in the world is the use for the repos then?
[12:27] <othernoob> orangerange: easier access to precompiled stuff for newbies
[12:27] <deblianoid> does anyone use internet explorer under wine?
[12:28] <othernoob> deblianoid: BLASPHEMY!
[12:28] <helloyo> deblianoid, what is wrong with you!?
[12:28] <docnova> omg
[12:28] <deblianoid> I just need to access Internet trough applications under wine
[12:29] <daves> debianoid: err why when you have firefox, then why not use firefox, it's safer
[12:30] <funkyHat> he just explained  why ^
[12:30] <funkyHat> are trough applications activeX?
[12:30] <deblianoid> funkyHat, no
[12:30] <ColonelKernel> how do I benchmark my new kernel?
[12:30] <funkyHat> what are they then?
[12:31] <deblianoid> funkyHat, I have IE6sp1 installed
[12:31] <deblianoid> I need to test my sites under IE
[12:31] <deblianoid> but I don't want to use another cp with Winsux
[12:31] <deblianoid> *cp = pc
[12:32] <docnova> ive been on ubuntu a week now and i dont even wanna touch windows ever again
[12:32] <Whistler> me too
[12:32] <Whistler> =]
[12:33] <^rob^> hello
[12:33] <docnova> ive got every thing working but dual monitors and my system sound
[12:33] <ColonelKernel> docnova, i hear ya
[12:33] <ColonelKernel> docnova, what kind of sound card
[12:33] <docnova> nvidia nforce 2 integrated
[12:34] <ColonelKernel> i know nothing about them, sorry.
[12:34] <docnova> it works on movies and mp3's and everything
[12:34] <docnova> even in gaim and flash
[12:34] <hettar> Is there a gnome app anything like amarok on kubuntu ?
[12:34] <docnova> just now on the system clicks and stuff
[12:34] <{Seb}> does anyone know what  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 means?
[12:34] <Raptoid> selamlar..
[12:34] <{Seb}> hattar: RhythmBox?
[12:35] <hettar> {Seb}: most like the the postinstall script is missing the exit 0 at the end
[12:35] <^rob^> i have a problem and partially i have fix it - sata->ide - I upgraded the kernel - my sys is on sata disk, my ide is not seen any more (cd and second hdd) - if i do manually unload piix and load sata_piix and ide_generic, ide_disk, ide_cd - all works ok - I tryed remaking the initrd - but on next reboot i have the same thing - doing manually all the load-unload part - what to do? - can somebody help???
[12:35] <hettar> {Seb}: From what I saw Rhythmbox didn't have anywhere near as many features
[12:38] <funkyHat> is it safe to umount swap and /home while logged in?
[12:38] <hettar> {Seb}: Have a look at the script /var/lib/dpkg/info/<appname>.postinst and make shure it has an exit 0 right at the end
[12:38] <{Seb}> hattar: got it thanks
[12:39] <funkyHat> :D
[12:44] <derelictfrog> ne one help me mount a raid0 setup?
[12:45] <daves> thanks for the help folks, othernoob esp.
[12:46] <derelictfrog> ?
[12:47] <orangerange> using galeon, how can i make the keyboard binding "backspace" for the "go back" command?
[12:47] <lolo__> plop :)
[12:48] <sphincter> moanin' all
[12:49] <djp> hi. iam using an epson stylus color 740 printer under ubuntu hoary. however if i try to print using the gimp-print drivers (which are apparantly meant to be the best according to www.linuxprinting.org) the quality is very faded. does anyone know if this is a correctable problem?
[12:49] <sphincter> when you set up the printer, what driver was listed as "recommended"?
[12:49] <sphincter> and did you try epson's own drivers?
[12:50] <sphincter> but yes, there should be a way to change the contrast/gamma, etc.
[12:50] <Di42lo> im trying to connect the net with eciadsl, i'v install the .deb file for debian/ubuntu and after configuring and trying to eciadsl-start it goes error that some .bins files are missing
[12:50] <sphincter> try checking the printer settingsss
[12:50] <deblianoid> well I've got it working
[12:50] <sphincter> anyone here use knode
[12:50] <sphincter> ?
[12:50] <djp> sphincter: stcolor
[12:51] <djp> sphincter: that was the recommended driver, however it always manages to leave a small part of the bottom of the page off, even if i mess around with page settings etc
[12:52] <djp> sphincter: is the epson driver the stc740ih.upp?
[12:52] <sphincter> not sure, but i heard that epson released a set of drivers for most of their printers.
[12:52] <orangerange> I'm wanting to make a webpage that simply is a page containing annotated bookmarks. What is the best no-cost online service for this?
[12:53] <djp> deblianoid: you have the gimp-print driver working?
[12:53] <sphincter> you'd have to get them from their site though, most likely
[12:53] <orangerange> if you are a galeon user, please say hi to me.
[12:53] <sphincter> not sure if they're gpl or not
[12:53] <djp> sphincter: thanks for your advice
[12:53] <sphincter> < hp guy ;)
[12:55] <orangerange> is there a no-cost website that has no or very minimal and unintrusive ads? (Somethning like blogspot.com when it comes to blog services: blogspot is free and there are no ads). Thanks people.
[12:55] <sphincter> hmmmm... no knode users?
[12:55] <sphincter> orange, i run my own domain, so...
[12:55] <orangerange> if you're happy and you use galeon, say hello.