[04:23] <nuvolari> what's wrong with a developer if he/she does'nt use IRC?
[04:23] <nuvolari> :P
[06:02] <magespawn_> morning all, have good friday y'all
[06:10] <magespawn> good morning again
[06:12] <nlsthzn> :) morning magespawn ...
[06:22] <sakhi> Morning
[06:24] <nlsthzn> o/ sakhi
[06:27] <magespawn> hey hey its friday
[06:31] <nlsthzn> friday, friday... got to het down on friday...
[06:31] <nlsthzn> *get
[06:31] <magespawn> indeed
[06:43] <superfly> Formal Friday
[06:43] <magespawn> frisky friday
[06:44] <superfly> if only :-P
[06:44] <nlsthzn> lol
[06:46] <magespawn> i just got superglue on my tongue
[06:46] <superfly> magespawn: don't press your tongue against the roof of your moust!
[06:47] <superfly> *mouth
[06:47] <magespawn> people might think it rude if i walk aroung with my tongue out
[06:48] <nlsthzn> in this case I would rather be rude
[06:49] <magespawn> good point
[06:49] <superfly> yeah, ditto
[06:50] <magespawn> just for the record it does not taste good
[06:52] <nlsthzn> I don't think it is supposed too...
[06:54] <Kilos> hi superfly magespawn inetpro nlsthzn nuvolari Squirm Owkkuri plustwo and others
[06:54] <Kilos> hehe
[06:54] <nlsthzn> Morning uncle Kilos
[06:54] <Kilos> sigh still no maaz
[06:54] <superfly> môre oom Kilos
[06:54] <plustwo> good morning Kilos
[06:55] <inetpro> goeie more Kilos
[06:55] <inetpro> en goeie more aan al die ander
[06:55] <Kilos> hi drussell hows the weather in the UK
[06:55] <Kilos> where is the the crash kid?
[06:56] <inetpro> Kilos: iewers in die amerikaanse state?
[06:56] <Kilos> eish
[06:57] <magespawn> hi kilos
[06:57] <Kilos> hmmm
[06:57] <magespawn> who is in charge/owns Maaz?
[06:57] <Kilos> is daar nie iemand wat saam met hom werk nie?
[06:57] <Kilos> cocooncrash, is the bots boss
[06:58] <Kilos> i seem to remember there was someone with him at work
[06:58] <inetpro> magespawn: as far as I'm aware cocooncrash is hosting it on his private box
[06:59] <magespawn> how do you set up a bot? anybody know where i can start looking?
[06:59] <Kilos> magespawn, get ibid
[06:59] <Kilos> and inetpro knows how to set it up
[06:59] <inetpro> http://ibid.omnia.za.net/
[06:59] <Kilos> hehe
[07:00] <inetpro> or https://launchpad.net/ibid
[07:00] <magespawn> ty will have a look
[07:00] <Kilos> and you can call it botspawn
[07:00] <Kilos> or magespawn
[07:01] <Kilos> who works in the same offices as cocooncrash ?
[07:01] <Kilos> dont all answer at once
[07:01] <nlsthzn>  I don't
[07:01] <Kilos> lol
[07:01] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[07:02] <drussell> Kilos: not too bad at all, a little chilly, 8 degrees c right now and a little overcast, but it's dry :o)
[07:02] <drussell> Kilos: how about where you are?
[07:02] <Kilos> drussell, sunny and hot and not enough rain in transvaal
[07:03] <Kilos> you dunno about the compose key drussell ?
[07:03] <Kilos> dont believe that
[07:04] <Kilos> compose key 2xo gives you the °
[07:07] <magespawn> okay but where do you see that on the keyboard?
[07:07] <magespawn> xo
[07:07] <Kilos> oh you have to make it magespawn
[07:07] <magespawn> ahh right
[07:07] <Kilos> not xo man two times o
[07:07] <magespawn> lol
[07:08] <Kilos> lol
[07:08] <Kilos> i see if i can find how
[07:08] <Kilos> nuvolari, told me long ago
[07:08] <magespawn> will search on the net
[07:08] <Kilos> no its on your pc
[07:09] <magespawn> no for the way to do it
[07:09] <Kilos> system prefs keyboard
[07:09] <Kilos> then
[07:09] <magespawn> apparenlty you assign it in the system to one of the key/s
[07:09] <Kilos> layouts
[07:10] <Kilos> then tick the compose key pointer
[07:10] <Kilos> then set which key you want
[07:10] <Kilos> i use left winsucks key
[07:11] <magespawn> lol might as well put it to use
[07:11] <Kilos> yeah
[07:11] <drussell> Kilos: hehe yeah, I use it so rarely I forget :o)
[07:11] <Kilos> hehe
[07:12] <magespawn> °
[07:12] <magespawn> cool ty
[07:12] <Kilos> yw
[07:13] <inetpro> hmm... compose and o gives me ö
[07:14] <inetpro> with a South African keyboard layout
[07:14] <magespawn> ibd is written in python, i am trying to learn python so this should be a good thing to look at
[07:14] <superfly>  http://ibid.omnia.za.net/docs/0.1.0/index.html
[07:14] <superfly> real easy to set up and use
[07:17] <magespawn> ill have a look later busy putting an inkjet back together
[07:31] <Kilos> hi morgs
[07:31] <morgs> mornings
[07:35] <superfly> morning morgs
[07:36] <morgs> hi superfly
[08:06] <magespawn> right work desk net and tidy and printer back in one piece and working
[08:06] <Kilos> yay
[08:10] <magespawn> that for sure
[08:11] <magespawn> new tech from ibm can move data at 1 trillion bits a second
[08:12] <Kilos> whew
[08:13] <magespawn> kind of makes password a little redundant
[08:14] <nlsthzn> but move it where?
[08:16] <magespawn> article on ars technica, for communicating between chips on servers , i think , will try to find the article
[08:18] <magespawn> this is from mashable mashable.com/2012/03/08/ibm-fast-optical-chip
[08:19] <magespawn> they are also apparently working on a quantum computer
[08:24] <magespawn> and apparently you can now log into yahoo mail with your gmail id from LTG
[08:24] <nlsthzn> ah
[08:24] <inetpro> hello morgs
[08:24] <morgs> hi inetpro
[08:25] <inetpro> you are far to quiet these days
[08:25] <morgs> yeah...
[08:25]  * morgs triages bugs on a big client project
[08:25] <magespawn> oohh that sounds like fun
[08:26] <morgs> Rats, I've got two servers in Kenya which were installed with Ubuntu 10.10 instead of 10.04 LTS. Going to be a bummer fixing that and 10.10 is being EOLed soon
[08:26] <Kilos> sigh , no maaz so cant define triages
[08:26] <morgs> Basically sorting tickets into priority and due date etc
[08:27] <magespawn> looks at the bug and sorts them by priority
[08:27] <magespawn> lol
[08:27] <Kilos> morgs, try keep 10.10 alive so i can keep using it too
[08:28] <Kilos> maverick rocks
[08:29] <morgs> yeah, well, here's hoping precise is more stable on the desktop
[08:29]  * inetpro likes The Governator's latest posting about Government use of Ubuntu
[08:29] <morgs> on the server it's more the support period that matters
[08:29] <morgs> inetpro: URL?
[08:30] <inetpro> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1056
[08:30] <Kilos> inetpro, whats he say?
[08:30] <nlsthzn> I has a lol at the email addy :p governator
[08:30] <Kilos> ah
[08:30] <morgs> oh that governator
[08:30] <inetpro> clearly Ubuntu is moving forward in big places
[08:31] <morgs> Ah now I see the reference
[08:33] <morgs> "A European defence force has recently adopted Ubuntu widely as part of an agility-enhancing strategy that gives soldiers and office workers secure desktop capabilities from remote locations like… home, or out in the field."
[08:34] <morgs> Squad, we're deploying at oh six hundred zulu time. Remember to do your dist-upgrades in advance!
[08:34] <magespawn> ha
[08:35] <magespawn> did you see the French airforce was grounded because of a windows virus?
[08:35] <Kilos> lol
[08:36] <magespawn> they could not load the flight maps from the ground computers into the planes, an unpatched windows bug allowed the malware in
[08:36] <morgs> wow
[08:38] <magespawn> this looks neat mahable.com/2012/03/05/recoil-winder-kickstarter
[08:53] <magespawn> to fair the patch was available they had just no applied it
[08:55] <magespawn> ^be ^not
[08:55] <inetpro> morgs: I guess we need IPMI to come standard with all servers these days so you can do a complete remote installation
[08:56] <inetpro> IPMI = Intelligent Platform Management Interface http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_Platform_Management_Interface
[08:57] <morgs> inetpro: yeah, we do use DRAC for Dell or iLO for HP which lets you do remote console/installations, but we do not have it on all servers - clients are sometimes too cheap to pay for this
[08:57] <inetpro> nice
[08:58] <morgs> It does let you do a remote installation, even upload ISO images to a virtual CD drive, although that gets uploaded from your workstation (e.g. laptop on ADSL) and is slow if you're tunnelling over stuff to get to a remote data centre.
[08:58] <magespawn> does that not end up costing more at the end of tha day, not having that ability
[08:58] <morgs> magespawn: yes it does, just not on the initial budget...
[08:59] <morgs> Anyway, the worth of features like this get proven when you really need them...
[08:59] <magespawn> what si that sevice from cannonical? would tha work
[09:00] <morgs> We've got one client who manages the network while we manage the servers. They reallocated the IP addresses for the iLO consoles without telling us, then when a server went down we couldn't reboot it remotely - that's another painful scenario
[09:00] <magespawn> communication is important
[09:02] <magespawn> landscape
[09:20] <Kilos> bbl
[09:46] <inetpro> magespawn: no, communication is key
[10:06] <magespawn> indeed
[10:14] <morgs> landscape is great, but very expensive. Too expensive for our current hosting model which has lots of small VPSs
[13:09] <inetpro> hmm...
[13:09] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[13:10] <inetpro> Maaz: Is it Friday yet?
[13:11] <nlsthzn> yup, maaz left early
[13:12] <inetpro> heh nlsthzn, How goes?
[13:12] <magespawn> maaaz has taken and extended leave of absence
[13:13] <magespawn> an
[13:13] <magespawn> maaz
[13:13] <nlsthzn> inetpro: can't complain , and yourself?
[13:13]  * inetpro just wants the week to end now
[13:14] <magespawn> why? what is so bad about this week?
[13:15] <inetpro> magespawn: hmm... just tired and don't want to start anything now
[13:16] <nlsthzn> fair enough
[13:16] <magespawn> me too but still have to open the shop tomorrow but really looking forward to kicking back on sunday
[13:22] <Kilos> inetpro> hmm... compose and o gives me ö
[13:23] <Kilos> there is another way
[13:23] <inetpro> Kilos: coffee on
[13:23] <Kilos> hold down ctrl+alt and type u b 0
[13:23] <Kilos> lol
[13:24] <Kilos> kilos puts the kettle on
[13:24] <nlsthzn> lol
[13:24] <Kilos> hehe cheeky old man
[13:24] <Kilos> magespawn, where is your bot
[13:25]  * inetpro lol
[13:26] <inetpro> Kilos: nee ctrl+alt and u b 0 not werking
[13:26] <inetpro> not on kubuntu at least
[13:27] <inetpro> oh and not on a Precise Beta1 default VM
[13:28] <Kilos> wag ek soek weer waar het ek dit neer geskryf
[13:28]  * inetpro is not very happy with the beta1 stability in a VM at this stage
[13:28] <Kerbero> hmm
[13:28] <Kerbero> i should update my vm
[13:28] <inetpro> would not recommend an upgrade
[13:28]  * nlsthzn is happy with the beta as his main system too
[13:29] <inetpro> I've had a few crashes, nothing major though
[13:29] <magespawn> have not had time to set it up yet
[13:29] <Kerbero> if the dualscreening of the new version is really better than 11.10 i will switch asap
[13:29] <nlsthzn> initially I could only get 12.04 to work as an upgrade from 11.10... now at least installing it works :)
[13:29] <nlsthzn> Kerbero: seems they are still debating some of how it should be handled
[13:30] <nlsthzn> was a post on omgubuntu about it
[13:30] <Kerbero> :|
[13:31] <Kerbero> yeah i heard people saying it is not good
[13:31] <Kerbero> the way it works
[13:32] <Kilos> inetpro, google how to make a ° simbol with ubuntu
[13:32] <Kilos> i think i used degrees not the °
[13:33] <Kilos> ek sukkel om te kry waar ek dit neer geskryf het
[13:33] <Kilos> en maaz is nie hier om te vra nie
[13:35] <Kilos> inetpro, your coffee is ready
[13:35] <inetpro> ahh Kilos, it is Left Ctrl+Shift and tapping, in sequence, u b 0
[13:35] <inetpro> http://paulscomputernotes.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-get-degree-symbol-in-ubuntu.html
[13:35] <Kilos> oh ctrl shift
[13:35] <Kilos> i forgot sorry
[13:35] <inetpro> that still works on Ubuntu Precise
[13:36] <inetpro> but not in Kubuntu
[13:36] <Kilos> kubuntu sucks
[13:36] <inetpro> heh!
[13:36] <Kilos> lol
[13:36] <Kilos> better go unity
[13:36] <inetpro> Kilos: watch mooi wat jy hier sê!
[13:37] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[13:37] <inetpro> Kilos: maar dankie vir die nota
[13:37]  * Kilos het vergeet jy weet waar bly hy
[13:37] <inetpro> :-)
[13:39] <inetpro> copywrite -- © > Ctrl+Shift+u + a9 or Compose key+c+o
[13:39] <inetpro> very interesting
[13:39] <inetpro> trade mark -- ™ > Ctrl+Shift+u + 2122
[13:40] <magespawn> is there a list somewhere with all on ?
[13:40] <Kilos> magespawn, forget serious work fix your bot
[13:41] <Kilos> ibids make the best coffee
[13:41] <Kilos> hi confluency you quiet
[13:41] <Kilos> nlsthzn, you at home?
[13:41] <magespawn> hold on then
[13:42] <inetpro> in Kubuntu with South African keyboard layout you press AltGr+Shift+0 for °
[13:42]  * Kilos holds on
[13:42] <Kilos> whats AltGr
[13:44] <Owkkuri> Kilos: right alt key
[13:44] <nlsthzn> Kilos: nope @ work
[13:44]  * Kilos changes glasses to see whats onna keyboard
[13:45] <Kilos> oh my alt graph
[13:45] <Kilos> didnt even know it was there
[13:46] <Kilos> and this keyboard actually has a compose key right next to right alt
[13:46] <Kilos> ty Owkkuri
[13:47] <inetpro> wow!
[13:48]  * inetpro likes the way that Ubuntu has now visible keyboard layouts as soon you choose an additional layout
[13:49] <inetpro> very pretty
[13:49]  * Kerbero likes it that koiosify is online again
[13:50] <koiosify> My pc died
[13:50] <nlsthzn> :(
[13:51] <Kerbero> o
[13:51] <magespawn> Kilos busy doibng the install now
[13:51] <magespawn> doing even
[13:51] <Kilos> good lad
[13:52] <Kilos> i dunno how you get it on here though
[13:52] <Kilos> need to pester inetpro  again
[13:52] <magespawn> i am sure we can work it out will be reading documentation will doing install
[13:57] <inetpro> magespawn: just read those docs, should be real easy
[13:57] <inetpro> I'll help later if necessary
[13:57] <magespawn> seem to be doing okay so far
[13:58] <inetpro> sadly that will only be after 20:00
[13:58] <Kilos> what inetpro
[13:59] <Kilos> zeref, you still alive?
[14:00] <inetpro> Kilos: I will be afk until later this evening
[14:01] <Kilos> we forgive you
[14:01] <magespawn> okay first prob
[14:01] <magespawn> ibid@gandcnet:~/botdir$ ibid setup
[14:01] <magespawn> Traceback (most recent call last):
[14:01] <magespawn>   File "/usr/bin/ibid", line 15, in <module>
[14:01] <magespawn>     ibid.setup(options)
[14:01] <magespawn>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/ibid/__init__.py", line 122, in setup
[14:01] <magespawn>     raise IbidException('Cannot find configuration file %s' % options['config'])
[14:01] <Kilos> eish
[14:01] <magespawn> ibid.IbidException: Cannot find configuration file setup
[14:01] <magespawn> ibid@gandcnet:~/botdir$
[14:01] <magespawn> going to read doc
[14:02] <Kilos> when in doubt, read the instruction manual
[14:02] <magespawn> yup do not do that often
[14:07] <Kilos> maybe it even has man pages
[14:15] <magespawn> back again
[14:15] <Kilos> wb
[14:17] <magespawn> bot does not want to join
[14:17] <magespawn> more probs
[14:17] <magespawn> brb
[14:21] <Kilos> hi psydroid
[14:22] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[14:22] <psydroid> hi magespawn
[14:22] <psydroid> hi all
[14:22] <magespawn> ho psydroid
[14:23] <Kilos> magespawn, is working on an ibid bot so we can get coffee till cocooncrash fixes maaz
[14:23] <magespawn> bit of a mind bender
[14:26] <nlsthzn> Home time for IR... cheers all
[14:26] <Kilos> cheers nlsthzn go well
[14:27] <not_found> thanks uncle Kilos
[14:27] <magespawn> going to put the screen in a pastbin so inetpro can look later
[14:29] <Kilos> hehe
[14:29] <Kilos> only 3.5 hours
[14:29] <Kilos> we will survive
[14:30] <Kilos> magespawn, use slexy.org
[14:30] <Kilos> then i can see too
[14:30] <Kilos> my setup dont like the ubuntu bin
[14:30] <magespawn> okay
[14:32] <magespawn> http://slexy.org/view/s2z7CvnaiG
[14:32] <Kilos> ty
[14:36] <Kilos> maybe you gotta install those things it cant find
[14:37] <magespawn> not sure how did try the normal route
[14:38] <Kilos> you have it installed so run sudo aptitude reinstall ibid and maybe aptitude finds the missing stuff
[14:39] <Kilos> or gives you a cleare explanation on whats needed
[14:39] <Kilos> clearer
[14:40] <Kilos> haha your internet is twisted
[14:40] <Kilos> sue telkom
[14:41] <Kilos> Address already in use.
[14:42] <Kilos> magespawn, you got something else logged into the same addy
[14:42] <Kilos> ?
[14:42] <magespawn> not sure
[14:43] <Kilos> xcht or something
[14:43] <Kilos> xchat
[14:44] <Kilos> maybe the bot gotta get in before you do
[14:44] <magespawn> got to run lift is here
[14:44] <Kilos> ok toodles
[14:44] <magespawn> will check in later
[14:45] <Kilos> cool
[14:57] <Kilos> be back at 8ish
[17:38] <magespawn_mobile> Eveing all
[17:38] <magespawn_mobile> Evening
[18:17] <Kilos> evening all of you
[18:17] <dLimit> Kilos hi
[18:18] <Kilos> maaz coffee on
[18:18] <Kilos> hi dLimit long time no hear
[18:18] <dLimit> Yeah quite... been lurking around lol
[18:18] <Kilos> lol
[18:18] <dLimit> So whatsup Kilos ?
[18:18] <Kilos> you getting like the old guys here
[18:19] <Kilos> everything still the same here, and there?
[18:19] <Kilos> magespawn, helloooo
[18:20] <Kilos> lo superfly nuvolari
[18:20] <dLimit> Just destroyed my old system installing backtrack lol
[18:20] <Kilos> eish
[18:20] <Kilos> what is backtrack?
[18:20] <dLimit> yeah went and selected the wrong partition blah
[18:20] <dLimit> Its a linux distro
[18:20] <dLimit> for hacking
[18:21] <Kilos> ah
[18:21] <dLimit> or pen testing as they call it
[18:21] <superfly> hiya Kilos
[18:21] <dLimit> Based on ubuntu so I believe I'm still allowed in here =D
[18:21]  * superfly is sorely tempted to move to Arch, but he'll still hang with the Ubuntu crowd :-P
[18:22] <Kerbero> i was too
[18:22] <Kilos> i think no one minds any linux version here as long as you can help others now and again
[18:22] <Kerbero> until the arch installer failed on me three times
[18:22] <Kilos> aw superfly is ubuntu getting you down?
[18:22] <superfly> Kilos: the way the Kubuntu team sets up KDE is a little irritating at times
[18:23] <Kilos> sort them out superfly
[18:23] <Kilos> or go unity
[18:23] <Kerbero> lol
[18:23] <superfly> Kilos: ugh, I'll stick with KDE, but use Arch instead :-P
[18:23] <Kilos> eish
[18:24] <dLimit> Openbox FTW
[18:25] <Kilos> and mark sounds so exited with ubuntu's progress
[18:28] <Kilos> superfly, have you had any feedback from the kde guys about the probs
[18:29] <Kilos> hmm magespawn is visiting chicks again
[18:39] <superfly> Kilos: they are all known issues, it seems
[18:40] <superfly> I've googled and stuff, and I'm not the only person with the problems
[18:40] <Kilos> ok superfly do you know what they are doing wrong?
[18:41] <superfly> Kilos: Not really, and I don't have the time to run after it.     Daai persoon kan nie mooi tel nie.
[19:17] <kbmonkey> dis nou nie mooi nie :/
[19:17] <Kilos> baie ms mense
[19:17] <Kilos> billy betaal mense om ons te dooi
[19:19] <inetpro> Kilos: an assumption is a proposition that is taken for granted, as if it were true based upon presupposition without preponderance of the facts
[19:19] <Kilos> lol
[19:19] <Kilos> if maaz was here i would teach him that saying
[19:22] <kbmonkey> assumption planted a feather ;)
[19:22] <Kilos> and hoped a fowl would grow
[19:23] <kbmonkey> n hoender
[19:23] <Kilos> ja
[19:24] <inetpro> noddy: no assumption is <reply> $who an assumption is a proposition that is taken for granted, as if it were true based upon presupposition without preponderance of the facts
[19:24] <inetpro> oops
[19:24] <Kilos> haha
[19:24] <inetpro> ek probeer my bot ook slim maak :-)
[19:24] <Kilos> ek sien daai ding
[19:25] <magespawn_mobile> Howdy all
[19:26] <Kilos> hi magespawn_mobile
[19:26] <Kilos> hopefully we got a cure for your ibid
[19:26] <Kilos> untwist the internet connection
[19:26] <magespawn_mobile> Lol
[19:26] <kbmonkey> where is maaz hosted btw?
[19:26] <Kilos> you need a pc at home too
[19:27] <Kilos> germany i think
[19:27] <Kilos> or holland
[19:27] <Kilos> been a while since we were told
[19:27] <kbmonkey> on the tubes :) I guess I meant how
[19:27] <inetpro> kbmonkey: AFAIAA Maaz is hosted on cocooncrash's machine somewhere in cyber space
[19:27] <kbmonkey> ah gotcha
[19:28] <inetpro> s/is/was/
[19:29] <Kilos> oh is the host the guy that installs it?
[19:29] <magespawn_mobile> And he's is back
[19:29] <Kilos> cocooncrash, ty ty ty
[19:29] <cocooncrash> Kilos: :)
[19:29] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[19:29]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[19:29] <cocooncrash> Bah
[19:30] <Kilos> cocooncrash, maaz has been off for days
[19:30] <Kilos> aw
[19:30] <Kilos> hopefully you can tell us what happened to him sometime
[19:31] <Kilos> maybe he got tired of making coffee
[19:32] <Kilos> yay
[19:32]  * Kilos scared to ask for coffee
[19:33] <Kilos> aw
[19:33] <Kilos> methinks we should all cheer maaz on
[19:33] <Kilos> go maaz
[19:34] <Kilos> come on you buncha geeks
[19:34] <inetpro> Maaz: wb
[19:34] <Maaz> Thank you so much inetpro my good good friend
[19:34] <Kilos> ooo what a cute bot
[19:34] <Kilos> aw
[19:34] <inetpro> Kilos: heh
[19:35] <Kilos> Maaz, wb
[19:35] <Maaz> Thank you so much Kilos my good good friend
[19:35] <Kilos> hold on there buddy
[19:35] <inetpro> now please stick around Maaz
[19:36] <inetpro> magespawn: wb
[19:36] <Kilos> lol
[19:36] <Kilos> wakey wakey
[19:36] <Kilos> i think he left a work pc on
[19:37] <kbmonkey> Maaz is back
[19:37] <Kilos> you guys with multiple connections mess with my brains
[19:38] <Kilos> and gone kbmonkey
[19:38] <Kilos> cocooncrash, is working on him now
[19:38] <Kilos> Maaz, hi
[19:38] <Maaz> Howzit Kilos
[19:38] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[19:38]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[19:38]  * Kilos holds thumbs
[19:39] <Kilos> cocooncrash, what was the problem?
[19:39] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[19:39] <inetpro> nlsthzn: wb
[19:40] <cocooncrash> Kilos: I think the SILC library was making it crash
[19:41] <nlsthzn> Hi Kilos and inetpro and all...
[19:41] <Kilos> eish we missed him bad cocooncrash ty very much
[19:42] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[19:42] <Kilos> Maaz, thank you very much my bot buddy
[19:42] <Maaz> Kilos: not at all
[19:43] <nlsthzn> hello Maaz
[19:43] <Kilos> lol
[19:43] <nlsthzn> :(
[19:43] <Kilos> you gotta put his nick first
[19:44] <Kilos> or he will ignore you
[19:44] <nlsthzn> Maaz, walala wasala
[19:44] <Maaz> nlsthzn: What?
[19:44] <nlsthzn> exactly
[19:44] <Kilos> lol
[19:45] <Kilos> Maaz, we love you
[19:45] <Maaz> Ya Ya, you guys just want coffee thats all
[19:46] <nlsthzn> haha
[19:46] <nlsthzn> bbl
[19:46] <Kilos> toods nl
[19:46] <Kilos> eish
[19:49] <Kilos> Maaz, assumption
[19:49] <Maaz> An assumption is a proposition that is taken for granted, as if it were true based upon presupposition without preponderance of the facts
[19:50] <inetpro> yikes
[19:52] <Kilos> the bot is working
[19:52] <Kilos> yay
[19:53] <inetpro> Kilos: hier's nog 'n slimme
[19:53] <inetpro> "I never attempt to make money on the stock market. I buy on the assumption that they could close the market the next day and not reopen it for five years." -- Warren Buffett
[19:53] <Kilos> lol
[19:54] <Kilos> the stock market is a bit swindle
[19:54] <Kilos> manipulated by the money powers
[19:54] <Kilos> *big
[19:55] <inetpro> "If we all worked on the assumption that what is accepted as true is really true, there would be little hope of advance." -- Orville Wright
[19:55] <magespawn_mobile> Back again
[19:56] <inetpro> magespawn_mobile: and why not back with magespawn?
[19:57] <magespawn_mobile> Quassel still loved on at shop
[19:57] <magespawn_mobile> Logged
[19:57] <inetpro> ahh... you've not done the dyndns thingy?
[19:58] <magespawn_mobile> Not yet had a bit of work today
[19:58] <inetpro> np
[20:00] <inetpro> magespawn_mobile: so I guess your ibid is also at the office?
[20:00] <Kilos> inetpro, is into witty quotes tonight
[20:00] <magespawn_mobile> Yup
[20:01]  * inetpro witty?
[20:01] <inetpro> magespawn_mobile: you have something listening on port 8080 already
[20:01] <Kilos> witty-funny-snaaks
[20:01] <magespawn_mobile> But I will be back tomorrow
[20:01] <magespawn_mobile> Ahh so I need to chafe the ibid port then
[20:02] <magespawn_mobile> Change
[20:02] <Kilos> magespawn, inetpro says its that twisted internet for starters
[20:02] <inetpro> magespawn_mobile: check with 'lsof -i:8080' what is is if you don't know
[20:02] <Kilos> you need to find whats using port 8080
[20:02] <magespawn_mobile> Or the other
[20:03] <magespawn_mobile> Was that the last lint in the paste I posted
[20:03] <Kilos> magespawn, do you see this chat when you open the fone on irc next time
[20:03] <inetpro> I haven't seen where or how you can change ibid's port but that should also be a possibility
[20:03] <Kilos> yip
[20:03] <magespawn_mobile> Line
[20:03] <inetpro> magespawn_mobile: almost
[20:04] <magespawn_mobile> Ahh will have a look on the morrow
[20:04] <inetpro> np
[20:05] <Kilos> magespawn, you need a pc at home too
[20:05] <magespawn_mobile> Have one but is running xp
[20:05] <Kilos> eish
[20:05] <magespawn_mobile> Can do most of this on my phone too
[20:05] <Kilos> for games
[20:05] <magespawn_mobile> Yup kiddies
[20:06] <Kilos> get connected via wireless to shop
[20:06] <Kilos> oh ya
[20:06] <magespawn_mobile> Bit far at the moment but am working on a WiFi for the town
[20:06] <magespawn_mobile> Should cover my house
[20:07] <Kilos> the higher the antennae the further it will reach
[20:09] <Kilos> anything above fm frequencies is line of site
[20:10] <inetpro> Kilos: Wi-Fi networks have limited range.
[20:10] <inetpro> A typical wireless access point using 802.11b or 802.11g with a stock antenna might have a range of 32 m (120 ft) indoors and 95 m (300 ft) outdoors.
[20:10] <Kilos> inetpro, what frequency
[20:10] <magespawn_mobile> But they are free
[20:11] <Kilos> ya in the gigs
[20:11] <magespawn_mobile> I think 2.4ghz
[20:11] <inetpro> range varies
[20:11] <inetpro> Wi-Fi in the 2.4 GHz frequency block has slightly better range than Wi-Fi in the 5 GHz frequency block which is used by 802.11a
[20:12] <magespawn_mobile> That is the free ICASA FREE I mean
[20:12] <Kilos> only frequencies in the lower meg ranges have distance capabilties
[20:12] <Kilos> like 27m can do like 30 ks
[20:13] <inetpro> ahh, but outdoor ranges can be improved to many kilometers through the use of high gain directional antennas at the router and remote device(s)
[20:13] <magespawn_mobile> That's the plan.
[20:13] <inetpro> maximum amount of power that a Wi-Fi device can transmit is limited by local regulations
[20:14] <Kilos> yeah for interference purposes
[20:14] <magespawn_mobile> All tied up in the reg and specs
[20:15] <Kilos> and its useless having lots power to transmit when the peeps using it cant match the power to get back to it
[20:15] <magespawn_mobile> But you can still make it work.
[20:16] <magespawn_mobile> I would have to put base stations at the places I want them
[20:17] <Kilos> i think as long as your antenae can see each other and the pc side is a good yagi type it should work
[20:18] <Kilos> you can get info on wireless from the pta wug guys
[20:18] <Kilos> some of them use ubuntu as well
[20:18] <magespawn_mobile> Yup got a friend up there who did this for a company in north west
[20:19] <Kilos> they know where to get or they supply equipment as well
[20:19] <magespawn_mobile> Said he would consult for me
[20:19] <Kilos> nice
[20:20] <kbmonkey> was afk, back :)
[20:20] <Kilos> ian is in rustenburg magespawn_mobile he would be interested in the nw group as well
[20:20] <kbmonkey> is maaz in icu now
[20:20] <Kilos> no he is fixed
[20:21] <kbmonkey> :)
[20:21] <magespawn_mobile> Got the ng kerk to let me use their church tower highest point except the Vodacom tower
[20:21] <Kilos> inetpro, made coffee for me
[20:21] <Kilos> hehe
[20:21] <Kilos> great
[20:23] <inetpro> wow
[20:23]  * inetpro never thought of the idea to use a church tower for wireless networks
[20:23] <inetpro> sounds kind of freaky
[20:24] <magespawn_mobile> Highest point with best line of sight
[20:24] <Kilos> lol
[20:25] <magespawn_mobile> Got a coupl of other spots so I can get around the hills and extend the range etc
[20:26] <kbmonkey> good idea magespawn_mobile :D
[20:26] <kbmonkey> holy wifi!
[20:26] <Kilos> the towers actually can see each other from quite a distance
[20:26] <Kilos> hehe kbmonkey ++
[20:26] <kbmonkey> aren't they lightning magnets though?
[20:27] <kbmonkey> could the wifi withstand acts of God? ;P
[20:27] <magespawn_mobile> Yup will need to ground it properly
[20:27] <Kilos> normally you run an earth cable to a place where the soil is dampest
[20:27] <Kilos> or steel water pipes
[20:27] <magespawn_mobile> The lightening rod will be above the antenna
[20:29] <Kilos> this is all gonna cost quite a packet magespawn_mobile
[20:29] <Kilos> but once done most of the town will be able to use it
[20:30] <Kilos> you will need a faster connection
[20:30] <Kilos> if you gonna supply internet
[20:31] <Kilos> the pta wug is one of the biggest but dont supply internet connection. just to each other
[20:31] <magespawn_mobile> Yup was looking into bonded Adel
[20:31] <magespawn_mobile> Adsl
[20:33] <Kilos> sleep tight guys i gonna crash now
[20:33] <Kilos> see yous tomorrow
[20:33] <magespawn_mobile> That's the idea I want to be able give tourists WiFi
[20:33] <Kilos> good idea magespawn_mobile
[20:34] <Kilos> tourist in hluhluwe
[20:34] <magespawn_mobile> Yup
[20:34] <Kilos> on thier way to go fishing or to the game reserve
[20:34] <Kilos> their
[20:34] <Kilos> theres nothing to see in hluhluwe
[20:35] <magespawn_mobile> One or two guest houses and lodges etc
[20:36] <inetpro> bye Kilos
[20:36] <Kilos> night all
[20:36] <Kilos> Maaz, night
[20:36] <Maaz> Kilos: Bye
[20:43] <magespawn_mobile> I am also off see y'all to morrow
[21:00] <kbmonkey> ah i'm slow on irc tonight


[07:52] <dholbach> good morning
[10:52] <syedsam> Hi
[14:03] <mhall119> good morning, the broadcast will be starting momentarily
[14:07] <Sotomory> Hello World
[14:09] <mhall119> if you have any questions you can ask them here
[14:09] <mhall119> start them with "QUESTION"
[14:23] <mhall119> last chance to get your questions in, ask them now
[14:25] <mhall119> sneaky popey
[14:26] <zbenjamin> mhall119: he did hide behind his cat :)
[14:26] <beuno> QUESTION: WHY IS THERE A CAT GROWING OUT OF POPEY'S CHEST?
[14:26] <mhall119> beuno: there isn't, there's a popey growing out of that cat
[14:26] <beuno> that makes more sense
[14:27] <zbenjamin> that should be put on some quotes wiki
[14:30] <bitchin> bitches
[14:37] <mhall119> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/
[14:37] <mhall119> http://developer.ubuntu.com/pioneers/
[14:38] <mhall119> http://developer.ubuntu.com/showdown/
[17:24] <parth_> hi


[23:15] <wrst> Omnifrog: been using quassel for long?
[23:15] <cyberanger> long enough for you to notice ;-)
[23:17] <wrst> ha ha cyberanger probably doesn't take long :)
[23:18] <Omnifrog> 6 or 8 months I guess
[23:19] <Omnifrog> I use Quassel on the broadcast box and xchat on the laptop
[23:20] <wrst> ahh, Omnifrog ever looked into use a quassel core?
[23:22] <Omnifrog> huh, I didn't know about it
[23:28] <wrst> it runs on a server and you connect the clients to it Omnifrog, its like screen + irssi but much prettier
[23:29] <wrst> the core is always connected
[23:29] <Omnifrog> it looks interesting
[23:30] <cyberanger> but not as intresting as a znc IMHO
[23:30] <wrst> cyberanger: can't argue with that, with znc you have a choice of client
[23:31] <wrst> and quassel isn't the best client, its not near the client of irssi, but for me its a good balance
[23:31] <cyberanger> of pretty junk versus pretty functional client ;-)
[23:32] <cyberanger> you know me :-)
[23:32] <wrst> well I wouldn't go that far :P
[23:32] <wrst> oh yes cyberanger I know :P


[02:46] <TheMaster> keruton: Hello, is there anything we can help you with?
[02:47] <keruton> ah ... thank you for asking. I am okay though. my apologies. I didn't realize that idling wasn't allowed in here
[09:12] <popey> this isn't the first time we've had marvin-hh unable to accept answers
[09:12] <Flannel> I'm removing him the next time he's standoffish (I expect the next thing he says)
[09:13] <phunyguy> ^
[09:14] <phunyguy> and there it is
[09:15] <Flannel> I wish it wasn't during a conversation with me
[09:15] <phunyguy> how can we help you, marvin-hh?
[09:16] <marvin-hh> phunyguy: I asked a perfectly well defined technical question regarding the behaviour of apt-get and its documented behaviour, which I believe don't match. In return I got a bunch of illiterate people responding.
[09:17] <phunyguy> ^ like that?
[09:17] <marvin-hh> phunyguy: in the end they grew tired of me (I was already tired of them).
[09:17]  * phunyguy wanders off to bed.
[09:17] <marvin-hh> I am not even banned.
[09:18] <marvin-hh> I was basically kicked for persistence and short attention span of some people in #ubuntu.
[09:21] <kloeri> marvin-hh: if *everybody* else looks to be wrong you should really consider the possibility that you might actually be wrong and not everybody else
[09:22] <marvin-hh> kloeri: that's a meta-argument. Please don't waste my time.
[09:23]  * kloeri shrugs
[09:24] <kloeri> you're only wasting your own time by continuing this way and certainly not getting the help you ask for
[09:25] <Flannel> Alright, I cant be quiet any longer.  marvin-hh, this isn't about you being 'right' or 'wrong'.  You were removed because you were not cooperating with the people who were trying to help you, and then you were being indignant about not being helped (by those same people, the ones you weren't cooperating with).
[09:25] <marvin-hh> Flannel: that's how a nazi would phrase it, I believe.
[09:25] <Flannel> You flat out refused to provide real details of your situation, which would help us in determining exactly what you /were/ seeing.  For all we know, you found a major bug!    Have a good evening, I won't be speaking with you again.  But if you continue to be rude to the people trying to help you in #ubuntu, I will be banning you.
[09:26] <marvin-hh> Flannel: do not misrepresent the facts; nobody tried to help me.
[09:26] <kloeri> Flannel isn't misrepresenting anything
[09:27] <marvin-hh> Yes, he is.
[09:27] <marvin-hh> You just cannot read.
[09:28] <kloeri> does harassing people ever result in you getting any help?
[17:14] <DJones> Dealt with
 sorry, script misfired
[17:14] <DJones> "Sorry, wrong channel"
[17:14] <bazhang> what a horrible script
[17:20] <DJones> freenode/staff, freenode/developer, idoru, eir & dircbot have ops theirs so I'm assuming its not a channel thats meant to be offensive
[17:41] <bazhang> thats insane
[17:41] <bazhang> he 'uh wrong channel' in about 6 channels
 wafflejock: yes, I can read. What I want is someone to start releasing working software for a change.
[18:01] <bazhang> @random kubuntu hurd
[18:01] <bazhang> QED
[18:07] <DJones> Heads up on martin-hh in #ubuntu, I'm about to go out, but users are already calling as a borderline troll
[18:07] <bazhang> any reason to let that continue?
[18:07] <bazhang> I am happy to spend time with him here
[18:37] <bazhang> seems to have stopped, at least for the moment
[18:38] <Flannel> I just got online, figured "I'm going to check to see what happened while I was gone", and now he's banned.  Just FYI.
[18:39] <Flannel> I told him last night if he continued to be rude to volunteers, he was going to be banned, he was, therefore he is.
[18:39] <bazhang> thanks Flannel , sorr y I missed that
[18:39] <Flannel> No worries.
[18:39] <bazhang> sorry even
[18:39] <Flannel> I actually hadn't even checked this channel beforehand :)
[18:39] <bazhang> heh
[18:56] <marvin-hh> ikonia has been trigger happy again.
[18:56] <marvin-hh> Pleas undo his/her behaviour.
[18:56] <marvin-hh> I have better things to do.
[19:11] <IdleOne> I'll get right on that


[16:35] <Maik> sarnold: hi, mind takinging care of pippo in #ubuntu please?
[16:36] <sarnold> thanks Maik
[16:37] <Maik> and thank you sarnold
[16:49] <nicoz> he had trouble understanding pippo lol
[16:49] <nicoz> he still didn't understand :P
[16:55] <sarnold> nicoz: are you able to help him understand what's going on? let me know if he says he'll hang out and learn a bit, or chat in #ubuntu-offtopic, etc
[16:56] <sarnold> nicoz: (no worries if you don't have time, but if you're able to help him out, yay :)
[18:30] <nicoz> sarnold i'm back
[18:30] <sarnold> wb nicoz :)
[18:30] <nicoz> i was afk :P


[02:10] <tgm4883> bkerensa, ping
[07:43] <bkerensa> tgm4883: ping
[07:43] <bkerensa> pong even
[07:45] <bkerensa> tgm4883: when you see this e-mail me if your ping is time sensitive since I will be gone most of tomorrow :)
[14:29] <tgm4883> bkerensa, no worries, I was going to ask you about juju stuff
[15:24] <nathwill> morning all
[17:32] <bkerensa> nathwill: morning
[17:33] <bkerensa> tgm4883: Im actually in for a little bit I dont have to leave for a hour or two
[17:33] <bkerensa> :D
[17:34] <tgm4883> bkerensa, how much do you know about juju/other similar types of software?
[17:35] <bkerensa> tgm4883: I know a decent amount about juju.... Not much about puppet/chef etc
[17:36] <bkerensa> nathwill: :P yahoo epic fail with the private key
[17:36] <tgm4883> Here's my issue: We have a decent VMWare ESXi environment in our datacenter. We have a range of different servers (intel, sun, hp, dell). We've noticed a bunch of the older ones (intel) don't like ESX so much (either it doens't install, or has kernel panics)
[17:37] <tgm4883> we'd like to get something working on these machines, in a similar capacity to ESX
[17:37] <tgm4883> (not to mention that ESX licensing is lots of $$)
[17:37] <pwnguin> ganeti!
[17:37] <pwnguin> tgm4883: do you need vm migration?
[17:37] <tgm4883> So I'm wondering if there is other software out there that would help, don't know much about juju
[17:37] <pwnguin> betewen disparate archs
[17:38] <tgm4883> pwnguin, no. We would want live migration for our production vm's, but that would be all the same arch
[17:38] <tgm4883> I've looked at openstack and kvm (using convirt)
[17:38] <bkerensa> tgm4883: Juju will not work for you yet
[17:38] <tgm4883> bkerensa, ok
[17:38] <bkerensa> Juju only works on AWS atm
[17:39] <bkerensa> I mean you could run it on LXC but that would not be good
[17:39] <bkerensa> :)
[17:39] <bkerensa> they are working to get it working on more platforms though
[17:40] <pwnguin> tgm4883: here at the OSL we use ganeti
[17:40] <pwnguin> http://code.google.com/p/ganeti/
[17:40] <tgm4883> What I'd like to do is install 12.04 on the boxes, install something like KVM on all of them, and then have a central way to manage them
[17:40] <tgm4883> pwnguin, I'm looking at that page now :)
[17:40] <pwnguin> we also write ganeti web manager
[17:40] <tgm4883> pwnguin, ah so it does have a web interface?
[17:40] <bkerensa> pwnguin: nice... OSL does such good things
[17:41] <pwnguin> it can, if you use GWM
[17:41] <pwnguin> tgm4883: ganeti has a json remote api
[17:41] <tgm4883> that is a key requirement, as I can deal with cmd line stuff, but if I have to give the banner team some access they won't like that
[17:41] <pwnguin> tgm4883: which uni do you work ofr?
[17:41] <tgm4883> chemeketa community college
[17:43] <pwnguin> oh, that's in salem
[17:44] <tgm4883> yea salem and we have some outreaches in some other cities
[17:44] <pwnguin> yea, who doesn't these days
[17:45] <pwnguin> so one of the nice features we have in GWM is an ajax/html5 vnc client
[17:46] <pwnguin> as you may know, esx does not like linux desktops
[17:46] <tgm4883> pwnguin, is there a demo of this anywhere?
[17:46] <tgm4883> by demo, I mean like a youtube video of features?
[17:46] <pwnguin> good question
[17:46] <pwnguin> theres probably a dozen or so
[17:47] <pwnguin> let me confer with my senior folk on this
[17:47] <tgm4883> pwnguin, we don't use esx for anything really desktop related yet. It runs most of our servers though (web, email, etc)
[17:47] <tgm4883> pwnguin, ok
[17:47] <pwnguin> tgm4883: no, i mean, if you run an ubuntu desktop
[17:47] <pwnguin> the esx client hates you
[17:47] <tgm4883> ah yes
[17:47] <tgm4883> it really does hate that
[17:47] <pwnguin> so Ramereth is a better ganeti salesman than I ;)
[17:47] <Ramereth> tgm4883: i don't have a video (yet) but i have a vagrant setup that will make it easy for you to try it out
[17:48] <Ramereth> i'm working on better documentation on it but I can at least point you at a few things
[17:48] <tgm4883> I RDP into a box in the datacenter that has the vmware client on it
[17:48] <Ramereth> https://github.com/ramereth/vagrant-ganeti <- vagrant repo
[17:48] <Ramereth> http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/osl/ganeti-tutorial/presentation-ganeti-tutorial.pdf <- old tutorial I used from OSCON last year (pre-vagrant setup). If you ignore the node setup and just follow the ganeti command walkthrough it should be a good setup
[17:49] <Ramereth> i may have time this weekend to cleanup that tutorial pdf so its more accurate
[17:49] <Ramereth> oops, that's the presso
[17:49] <Ramereth> http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/osl/ganeti-tutorial/GanetiTutorialPDFSheet.pdf <- that's the pdf
[17:49] <tgm4883> Ramereth, sounds good
[17:49] <Ramereth> ganeti gets installed by puppet automatically in the vagrant setup i have
[17:50] <tgm4883> so this is what you guys use at OSUOSL for your VM cluster?
[17:50] <pwnguin> clusters
[17:50] <Ramereth> basically if you go from step #6 onward it should be fine
[17:50] <Ramereth> tgm4883: yup, all of our virtualization and we have several clusters
[17:50] <tgm4883> sweet
[17:51]  * tgm4883 brb
[17:56] <tgm4883> back
[17:56] <tgm4883> I've got one server I can work with now, i'll need to get cabling for the others
[17:57] <tgm4883> right now these intel servers are just sitting in the rack without cabling
[17:58] <Ramereth> what os are you planning on using?
[17:59] <tgm4883> Ubuntu for the hosts
[18:00] <Ramereth> that shouldn't be hard to deploy then
[18:00] <Ramereth> although i've had issues with 12.04
[18:00] <tgm4883> bummer, that's what we're installing
[18:01] <Ramereth> mostly related to gnutls and openssl
[18:01] <Ramereth> although i was installing from source, the ppa might be better
[18:03] <tgm4883> looks like it's available directly in the repos
[18:03] <tgm4883> at least some is
[18:03] <Ramereth> ya but its probably pretty old
[18:03] <tgm4883> true
[18:03] <Ramereth> i'm not sure what version they include
[18:03] <Ramereth> you really want to keep up on the versions as they include improved features and bug fixes
[18:03] <bkerensa> =o
[18:03] <bkerensa> wow
[18:03] <tgm4883> Version: 2.4.5-1
[18:03] <bkerensa> Ramereth is in our channel :P
[18:04] <Ramereth> tgm4883: that's not too bad, 2.5 has some better features
[18:04] <Ramereth> bkerensa: yup
[18:05] <tgm4883> so DRBD replicates the disk to other nodes in the cluster
[18:05] <Ramereth> to a secondary node
[18:05] <tgm4883> and that is required for HA
[18:06] <tgm4883> While I can set it up in test to the local drives, can we use an iSCSI mount on each of the nodes instead and forgo the DRBD replication?
[18:07] <tgm4883> forgive me if I'm not seeing something, I've got a ESXi mindset here
[18:09] <Ramereth> ya the ganeti mindset is very different
[18:10] <tgm4883> I'm just wondering if there is any benefit to using DRBD over iSCSI mounts (although I don't know much about DRBD)
[18:10] <tgm4883> it seems like unnecessary overhead if you've got a SAN
[18:10] <Ramereth> sorry i keep getting stuck in a conversion in my office
[18:10] <Ramereth> so ganeti does support "shared storage"
[18:10] <tgm4883> Ramereth, no worries, I'm reading though the documentation and PDF's you posted
[18:11] <Ramereth> but i guess it depends on how you want to go around. we have one cluster where we do have an iscsi device and we decided to only use drbd for the system disks of the VM and have iscsi mounted inside of the VMs themselves
[18:11] <Ramereth> and that seems to work pretty well
[18:11] <Ramereth> but it depends on how you plan on using the storage too I suppose
[18:11] <tgm4883> the way we currently do it, and how we'd probably like to continue is this
[18:12] <Ramereth> we used to have iscsi backed storage for VMs in the past in the pre-ganeti days and we hated every minute of it
[18:12] <tgm4883> we have 4 production ESXi servers for our main services. Each ESX server mounts the same iSCSI share.
[18:13] <tgm4883> so 4 servers, 1 share (although technically we've broken that 1 share up as well)
[18:13] <tgm4883> then the VM's sit on the iSCSI share
[18:13] <tgm4883> share isn't the correct terminology :/
[18:14] <Ramereth> well, same lun is shared among each node?
[18:14] <tgm4883> yes
[18:14] <Ramereth> and esx moves it from node to ndoe as it needs to?
[18:14] <tgm4883> ESX moves the VM from node to node, yes
[18:14] <Ramereth> ya that makes sense
[18:14] <tgm4883> the storage doesn't need moved though, as all 4 hosts have access to the same storage
[18:15] <Ramereth> we've separated our large storage needs from the vm technology itself ourselves
[18:17] <tgm4883> Ramereth, ok, so you have a bunch of hosts, where does the storage for the VM's reside?
[18:18] <tgm4883> or rather
[18:18] <tgm4883> how much storage do you need on each node for that setup?
[18:18] <Ramereth> depends on your needs
[18:19] <Ramereth> but i generally get as much storage as I can afford and then use an nfs or iscsi storage solution for larger needs
[18:19] <Ramereth> so in the case of one client, we only have 10-20G system disks on drbd w/ ganeti but have 100-500G volumes mounted over nfs
[18:20] <tgm4883> and the VM's live on the system disks or the NFS?
[18:21] <Ramereth> system
[18:21] <tgm4883> hmm
[18:21] <bkerensa> nathwill: Ramereth is the OSU OSL guy who gives +1 or -1 for Colo
[18:21] <tgm4883> I don't think we could fit many vm's on a system disk. Even if we were just installing minimal images
[18:22] <Ramereth> tgm4883: for you you might look into the shared storage option that ganeti now supports
[18:22] <Ramereth> i haven't personally used it before so I can't tell you how it works but I think the idea is that you have a large slice mounted on each node and ganeti just deals with managing it
[18:23] <tgm4883> looking
[18:23] <Ramereth> i'm not sure how well documented that feature is :/
[18:25] <tgm4883> Ramereth, yea this looks like exactly what we're doing
[18:27] <tgm4883> the only PPA I found with ganeti is https://launchpad.net/~sdeziel/+archive/ganeti
[19:09] <MarkDude> Ubuntu Oregon logs make the news >>> http://www.itworld.com/node/279368
[19:10] <MarkDude> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/05/24/%23ubuntu-us-or.txt
[19:10]  * MarkDude was against logging, figured he might as well make it work to his advantage, annoucing stuff in a stealth manner
[19:17] <MarkDude> Hmmmm apparently  <blkperl> has their address on public record
[19:17] <bkerensa> MarkDude: what?
[19:17] <MarkDude> read the log
[19:18] <MarkDude> wawit maybe thats an event location
[19:29] <Ramereth> tgm4883: if you need anymore help i tend to idle in #ganeti or #osuosl. i'm going to head out of this channel
[19:47] <bkerensa> ttyl folks
[20:56] <nathwill> bye
[21:44] <blkperl> MarkDude: yeah its the Engineering Building address
[21:49] <MarkDude> Fair enough-
[21:50] <MarkDude> It looks like I will need to clarify with the councilfolk- it was ME that created Twitter account
[21:50]  * MarkDude thought it would be Fedora logs that would trace it to me.
[21:51]  * MarkDude had it explained there was a delay in logs being posted with Ubuntu- apparently not :)
[21:52] <MarkDude> maybe I will say it was all nathwill 's idea, he told me to do it
[21:52] <MarkDude> :D


[17:18] <pynurzhan> hello, anybody here?
[17:29] <pynurzhan> please help me.  I install ubuntu 15.10 then I install ubuntu-sdk. After I start new html5 project and connect my nexus4 with ubuntu touch. Phone connected and everythink look good for starting. I start project on my phone throw sdk. Project started without ubuntu ui elements screeshot http://s22.postimg.org/ntna0zob5/screenshot20151025_222300093.png and error log http://pastebin.com/zWLQJ6v4 some phrases in log on russia
[17:30] <pynurzhan> appdevs


[00:00] <gastal> benbloom: a good trick to clean the RAM slots if you don't have compressed air available is using a paint brush
[00:02] <gastal> benbloom: does the machine make any noise when failing to boot? If a MOBO fails POST(a self test done when booting) it usually emit some beeps
[00:03] <benbloom> no beeps
[00:04] <BarkingFish> benbloom: are the two 1G sticks both 800mhz too?
[00:05] <kaddi> my laptop just seriously crashed and took the entire system down. What logs would I be able to (hopefully) find some info on what caused the crash?
[00:06] <kaddi> I wasn't at the machine at the time, so I don't know exactly what happened... Browser was opnened, so was the mail client and irc. When I got back X was gone and all I could see was a frozen CLI interface showing the last 10 lines of a crash-report
[00:07] <gastal> kaddi: what do you mean by "took the entire system down"? did you have to do a hard reset?
[00:07] <benbloom> BarkingFish, the two sticks are 667mhz
[00:07] <kaddi> yes
[00:08] <kaddi> gastal all that was left was the unresponsive screen with the CLI interface and the crash report
[00:08] <BarkingFish> That sounds like a kernel panic, kaddi.  I don't know that there is going to be any sort of log that you can find of it, but maybe if you run ksystemlog you can check through the logs of other parts of the system and look for anything which may have caused the crash
[00:08] <kaddi> i couldn't enter anything and i couldn't switch to a different tty either
[00:09] <Psyrus> i'm through with kubuntu for one night i went back to windows
[00:09] <BarkingFish> benbloom: Don't run those alongside the 800mhz stick then, that's most likely what is causing your ram problem.
[00:09] <gastal> if it was a kernel panic logs are available only with debug kernels, which are not the default
[00:09] <kaddi> yeh, not running debug kernel
[00:09] <BarkingFish> Either use 800mhz or 667mhz, not both :)
[00:09] <DerezzedGoat> Hi, I am running the backports ppa for 11.10 that gets me kde4.8 beta.  I just installed some mutilingual stuff...  anyway, whenever I start a kde program my whole xsession gets knocked out
[00:09] <DerezzedGoat> I have an strace...
[00:10] <DerezzedGoat> does anybody want to see it?  it ends up talkinga bout a resource temporarily unavailable...
[00:10] <BarkingFish> DerezzedGoat: sure, paste it up somewhere :)
[00:10] <gastal> DerezzedGoat: paste.kde.org
[00:10] <benbloom> ok BarkingFish. that's helpful. now. i'm still troubled about the twin 2G sticks that wouldn't work. they work fine together in my other PC
[00:11] <gastal>  benbloom: tough it can be a pain I would seriously consider seeing if acer has released a update to the BIOS in your MOBO
[00:12] <benbloom> hmm. never occurred to me. how would i go about finding that out?
[00:12] <gastal> hmm, let me see if I can find out....
[00:12] <kaddi> are there any known issues that cause kernel panics in kubuntu 11:10 then? eg intel graphic cards
[00:12] <BarkingFish> benbloom: do you have a piece number on the Cruical sticks please?  I'd like to check out which ones you have :)
[00:13] <benbloom> BarkingFish, http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0027P9C9G/ref=oh_o04_s00_i02_details
[00:13] <gastal> kaddi: intel graphics usually behave quite well, proprietary drivers are the most crash prone ones....
[00:13] <BarkingFish> thanks
[00:14] <kaddi> well my last kernel panics  (on the one starting with i and jaunty were due to the intel drivers.. that's why I'm asking)
[00:15] <gastal> benbloom: sorry, but acer lists no BIOS whatsover for your MOBO.... =/
[00:15] <benbloom> haha
[00:16] <benbloom> I'm going to build my next PC from scratch
[00:16]  * gastal always builds his own PCs
[00:17]  * benbloom will too from now on
[00:18] <gastal> a bit off-topic but I might add that I'll bet benbloom's problems are the fault of some shitty BIOS programmer, never seen worst code in my life.....
[00:19] <DerezzedGoat> gastal, BarkingFish http://pastebin.com/qFVWNf6e
[00:19] <BarkingFish> guys, just a quick check here - may seem a bit thick, but are DIMM and SDRAM the same?
[00:19] <benbloom> not sure why anyone would build a 64b machine with 4 slots and make it 4G maxmem
[00:19] <BarkingFish> or am I being utterly stupid?
[00:20] <DerezzedGoat> BarkingFish, sometimes... I think ddr is too
[00:20] <DerezzedGoat> BarkingFish, back in the day there was such thing as simm
[00:20] <gastal> BarkingFish: they are not, but most people/sellers used them interchangebly
[00:20] <BarkingFish> gastal: this might be the issue then...
[00:20] <gastal> plus that's not the issue since DIMM is VERY old
[00:20] <DerezzedGoat> BarkingFish, and you had to install the items in pairs... dimms you could install one module and it would work
[00:20] <gastal> and by very old I mean pre DDR1
[00:21] <BarkingFish> this is nuts then
[00:22] <BarkingFish> I'm looking at the product guide for what benbloom bought, and it states that they are 4GB Density, Type DDR2, Format DIMM
[00:22] <DerezzedGoat> gastal, Hey, I have an sdram computer.. but I don't have any edo computers anymore :(
[00:22]  * gastal is impressed at DerezzedGoat, even tough he has an acquaintance who has an Apple II
[00:22] <BarkingFish> The board states it supports 4GB of DDR2 SDRAM.
[00:22] <DerezzedGoat> So, can anybody help with my KDE stuff crashing, This is a major dissapointed
[00:23] <DerezzedGoat> gastal, bah, I have an atari 800
[00:23] <gastal> ok, I now need to find someone who has a Commodore 64....
[00:24] <BarkingFish> No Commodores here, nasty things... :)   I had a ZX Spectrum +2 and +3 :P
[00:25] <BarkingFish> Go Speccy!
[00:25] <gastal> DerezzedGoat: do you have a backtrace? from a quick scan of the strace I can only see temporary(EAGAIN) errors that shouldn't cause a crash....
[00:25] <DerezzedGoat> gastal, I don't have debuggin symbols installed
[00:26] <DerezzedGoat> gastal, I suppose I can install that, or could you walk me thru?
[00:26] <DerezzedGoat> gastal, I mean, my whole system goes back to kdm
[00:26] <DerezzedGoat> gastal, whenever i run kopete... so the problem is pretty deep.
[00:26] <DerezzedGoat> It even crashes xfce which I am using now
[00:27] <gastal> DerezzedGoat: I have to admit I'm new to kubuntu, my default stance would be to ran TWM plus the faulty program to see what happens
[00:27] <gastal> DerezzedGoat: hmm, that's interesting, so it's probably crashing X itself
[00:27] <DerezzedGoat> I'm pretty sure twm will crash too.. Ah.. x logs...
[00:27] <gastal> yeah, I would check them
[00:27] <gastal> might give some clue
[00:28] <benbloom> so i'm thinking i'll just buy 2 more 1G 667mhz sticks since i cant have more than 4G anyway. they're pretty cheap
[00:29] <gastal> benbloom: if possible test before buying, maybe borrowing from a friend.....
[00:29] <benbloom> http://www.amazon.com/PC2-5300-667MHz-Desktop-Server-PowerVault/dp/B004WP2YY4 do those look good?
[00:30] <benbloom> hah! all my friends use mac
[00:30] <gastal> like BarkingFish said memory can be fiddly but in theory mixing speeds is supposed to work(altough at the lower speed0
[00:30] <DerezzedGoat> gastal, I don't see anything usefull...
[00:30] <gastal> no EE entries?
[00:31] <gastal> benbloom: don't buy ECC memory
[00:31] <gastal> it might, maybe, on ocasion work on desktops but it's meant for servers
[00:32] <benbloom> oh. I'm just trying to find something that will work with my elpida 667mhz 1G sticks that came with the aspire M3100
[00:34]  * gastal 's personal preference is kingston or corsair
[00:36] <benbloom> should I not worry about mfg as long as i have consistency between speed and correct size?
[00:39] <benbloom> how does this look gastal? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145098
[00:40] <gastal> benbloom: I see no problem with that, =)
[00:41] <benbloom> cool. for <$30 it's worth a chance.
[00:42] <gastal> and to think I had to pay R$200(US$100) for pretty much the same about 3 months back..... taxes.....
[00:43] <benbloom> when it comes time for me to build my next PC, do you have any sites you recommend for HW suggestions (esp linux compatibility and future upgrade-ability)?
[00:44] <benbloom> ouch gastal.
[00:45] <gastal> benbloom: I'm not from the US so the sites I buy from wouldn't be any good to you
[00:46] <gastal> (as in they don't ship to the US)
[00:47] <benbloom> fair enough. i'm more looking for research and user experience info on hardware/software compatibility rather than where to buy
[00:49] <gastal> ah, then I might suggest anadtech.com and their forums, their reviews are top notch and trusthworthy
[00:50] <benbloom> cool. well thanks so much for all the help/advice. first time i've really gotten much help on #kubuntu (usually use #ubuntu)
[01:02] <Draggor> I have aterm installed, but when I go to maximize it, it doesn't fill the full window.  Is there a setting I'm missing to make this happen?
[01:36] <benbloom__> can someone tell me how to remove the builtin flash plugin for firefox (32b) I want to upgrade to adobe-plugin (64b) but i cant remember step one
[02:07] <Joseph_> Hello, guys I wonder if KDE 4.8 RC2 has any special way to install it.
[02:08] <Joseph_> I did a fresh install, and added the repo and updated... and the KDE shows up but it is imposible to use its extremly slow
[02:23] <DerezzedGoat> Ok, I have troubleshooted my kde 4.8 crashes... and I am disturbed
[02:24] <DerezzedGoat> It is not my profile (I moved my .kde to a backup folder
[02:24] <DerezzedGoat> Also, it happens in KDM.. if I click on a text field
[02:24] <DerezzedGoat> My xorg logs didn't help
[02:24] <DerezzedGoat> (I didn't see anything obvious anyway
[02:24] <DerezzedGoat> but when KDM crashes, it brings me right back to KDM
[02:32] <GoatDerezzed> Ok, now I have my alternate PC set up, I sure could use some help figuring out why my KDE 4.8 from backports is mucking up my system so bad.   It is not my config (moved my .kde)  I can't log into another user until I fix my kdm, or switch to another display manager...  anyway the problem so far has only affected KDE programs.  KDM included, and that crashes when I click on the username field.
[02:40] <GoatDerezzed> ok... It happens for fvwm and twm immediate when they start.  It does not start for xfce
[02:40] <GoatDerezzed> ... it does not crash on xfce
[02:41] <GoatDerezzed>  any idea on how to tell what packages I installed most recently?  I think I was trying to install some chinese input method editors
[02:46] <Joseph_> GoatDerezzed, I got problem with KDE 4.8 RC2 too, it just too slow for usage
[02:46] <Joseph_> in my system atlest
[02:47] <Joseph_> havent got a work around will try to install it on my laptop too see if it was the Nvidia card on the tower or not.
[03:11] <GoatDerezzed> Joseph_ mine was working...
[03:11] <ross_jacobs> testing
[03:12] <GoatDerezzed> I see here something about cannot load /usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/faces/.default.face: No such file or directory ... but this should have nothing to do with it...  the next line is
[03:13] <GoatDerezzed> kdm_greet[958]: X server for display :0 terminated unexpectedly
[03:13] <GoatDerezzed> (this is syslog...   Now WHY?
[03:13] <GoatDerezzed> I already unistalled the im-switcher that I had installed.
[03:13] <ross_jacobs> new to IRC. Where should I go first?
[03:16] <Whiskey`Wonka> Hello.
[03:16] <Whiskey`Wonka> has that packages being out of sync issue been fixed? i never did find a ticket number to track it by
[03:52] <GoatDerezzed> ok, now I am pissed.
[03:53] <EvilResistance> !language
[03:54] <GoatDerezzed> I need to test my memory, and there is no test memory option in the bootloader... I don't even know what bootloader kubuntu has now...  and on top of that, extlinux is the onlyone I saw, and there are no obvious config files for it, and I ran the extlinux program, and it was not it.
[03:54] <GoatDerezzed> now I have to figure out what to do.
[03:55] <bsidb> kubuntu uses grub
[03:55] <bsidb> is the bootloader is grub?
[03:57] <James147> kubuntu uses grub2 ^^ and the livecd should have the memtest option
[05:27] <randomatix_> Does anyone know of a way to get system-wide pie menus in KDE?  I'm thinking something like Firefox's easyGestures might work well with a trackpad
[06:02] <GoatDerezzed> well, I deturmined that I may have a graphics card problem, but I couldn't find a way to test graphics card memory in linux (any ideas)   And, there is a reason why UCK is in it's own ppa...  it corrupted my xorg.conf... or at least made it find the bad memory in my video card.
[07:00] <Zeeky4> so how exactly does this work?
[07:00] <Zeeky4> does anybody even see what im typing?
[07:00] <Tm_T> sure we do see
[07:01] <Tm_T> welcome to #kubuntu, the kubuntu support channel
[07:01] <Zeeky4> it just seems like every chatroom i go into is fill of idling
[07:01] <Zeeky4> full*
[07:01] <Zeeky4> so this is essentially a kubuntu help room?
[07:03] <Zeeky4> ...oooor ignore me that works too ya know
[08:50] <almoxarife> any kubuntu/kde app backup gurus around? need help with the installed backup app, the default one
[09:41] <muh2000> hi all
[09:42] <muh2000> i have an issue: the tray icon of audacious isnt displayed anymore in the tray area :(
[09:55] <meNtha> hi
[14:25] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:51] <mehrab> KDM won't start on my PC. it stucks on splash screen. it shows no errors
[15:53] <mehrab> any idea?
[15:55] <mehrab> it happened after an update when it asked to reconfigure kdm and stop it
[15:58] <BluesKaj> mehrab,  did you try sudo service kdm start , or just startx
[16:00] <Sifrazooy> Hi , I was having an issue when i update today after installing Kubuntu , moun    was installing updates but i jamed i had   to close it and when i tried to   install something now it gave me this error  E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[16:00] <Sifrazooy> it jamed *
[16:00] <mehrab> BluesKaj : I entered it now in recovery mode. it said terminated with status 2
[16:07] <Sifrazooy> SOLVED :D
[16:07] <BluesKaj> did you try startx . mehrab
[16:08] <BluesKaj> at the tty prompt
[16:16] <root> ?
[16:16] <yon_> ??
[16:16] <EvilResistance> hehe, don't use the nick 'root' its taken :P
[16:16] <Guest63701> haha
[16:16] <yon_> really
[16:16] <Guest63701> Im new too kde
[16:16] <mehrab> BluesKaj : yes, and didn't worked. and I should say I try these commands on recovery mode. because when the problem occurs I don't have acces to command line
[16:16] <yon_> wellcome
[16:17] <EvilResistance> yon_:  yes it is taken.  also, ircing as root is bad
[16:17] <Guest63701> Ive always used gnome
[16:17] <yon_> okkk
[16:17] <yon_> hey hey can i ask something
[16:17] <Guest63701> yea
[16:17] <yon_> i needed to download kubuntu 11.10 desktop theme, can you tell me any link
[16:18] <Guest63701> ? Idk I'm using backtrack 5 r1 kde
[16:18] <Guest63701> Default theme
[16:18] <EvilResistance> !theme
[16:18] <EvilResistance> yon_:  ^
[16:19] <yon_> soo when i have theme how can i install theme
[16:20] <BluesKaj> mehrab,  to access the tty (command line) use ctl+alt +F1 to F6
[16:21] <yon_> soo when i have theme how can i install theme
[16:21] <EvilResistance> !repeat | yon_
[16:22] <yon_> my bad man sorry
[16:30] <yon_> does anyone have anything to say about anything
[16:31] <mehrab> BluesKaj : startx didn't worked. there was an error: failed to load module "fglrx" (module does not exist, 0)
[16:33] <yon_> hey hey i need to ask something
[16:34] <yon_> how can i get a modem driver for my hp pavillion dv1000
[16:34] <mehrab> BluesKaj : and service kdm start output is : kdm start/running, process 2334
[16:35] <yon_> how can i get a modem driver for my hp pavillion dv1000
[16:35] <BluesKaj> mehrab,  which graphics card ?
[16:36] <yon_> i said modem
[16:36] <mehrab> BluesKaj :  ati
[16:37] <yon_> how can i get a modem driver for my hp pavillion dv1000
[16:37] <mehrab> BluesKaj : and not using proprietary driver
[16:38] <yon_> how can i get a modem driver for my hp pavillion dv1000
[16:38] <yon_> how can i get a modem driver for my hp pavillion dv1000
[16:38] <yon_> how can i get a modem driver for my hp pavillion dv1000
[16:38] <FloodBotK1> yon_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:44] <lyn> 你们好
[16:45] <BluesKaj> !cn | ly
[16:46] <BluesKaj> ltoo late
[16:48] <mehrab> I'm stucked in kubuntu loading logo. it soesn't go to kdm login
[16:53] <BluesKaj> mehrab,  drop down to a tty prompt , ctl+alt+f1 , sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg-video-radeon , then reboot
[16:58] <mehrab> BluesKaj : nope, not worked. weired thing is /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is empty or does not exist
[17:30] <mehrab> how should i install ati graphic driver from repos in command line??  this may solve the problem!
[17:39] <lordjj> So to try KDE should I install "kde-plasma-desktop" or "plasma-desktop"? What's the difference?
[17:47] <rork> !info plasma-desktop
[17:47] <rork> !info kde-plasma-desktop
[17:50] <rork> lordjj: with kde-plasma-desktop you get a set of KDE  apps  (dolphin & konqueror) it seems
[17:50] <lordjj> Yeah, I guess so.
[17:51] <lordjj> I'm surprised its only a 22.9MB download
[17:52] <rork> That's because you onlydownload part of the desktop, install kubuntu-desktop to get the full experience (i.e.  kdepim)
[18:03] <lordjj> I'm running Ubuntu 11.04, the latest KDE in the repos is 4.6.5
[18:03] <lordjj> Can I get 4.7 on it?
[18:03] <lordjj> Do I have to add a repo?
[18:08] <BluesKaj> lordjj,  http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.7
[18:11] <usr10> vc vai amanhã
[18:13] <BluesKaj> !br | usr10
[19:03] <lordjj> Where is the network manager icon in KDE? How do you connect to wifi?
[19:04] <ts2> in the system tray, where it's always been. or just use System Settings -> Network Settings
[19:07] <lordjj> I just installed kde-plasma-desktop, logged in with KDE and couldn't find it. Can you be more detailed as to how I can connect to wifi?
[19:09] <ts2> lordjj: install kubuntu-desktop if you want to full set of Kubuntu and KDE tools
[19:10] <lordjj> I noticed the screen kept flickering black occasionally. Any idea why that might happen?
[19:11] <ts2> I've never seen that, but it's possibly related to compositing, but that's only a guess
[19:11] <lordjj> Does it use compiz?
[19:11] <lordjj> Because I have compiz installed
[19:12] <ts2> by default, KDE uses KWin, but it can use Compiz too
[19:12] <lordjj> Is that set in System Settings?
[19:13] <ts2> yes, under Default Applications -> Window Manager
[20:17] <lordjj> The network manager icon has a red icon over it and I can't connect to wifi. Anyone knows about this?
[20:30] <OliveGreen> Hello there
[20:31] <OliveGreen> Someone please help me. The  Muon package manager is refusing to start. It crashes right after I try to start it.
[20:32] <OliveGreen> Sorry. I meant the Muon Software Center
[20:34] <Sifrazooy> OliveGreen try this in  the terminal sudo dpkg --configure -a
[20:36] <OliveGreen> Sifrazooy, Nope. That did not fix it.
[20:36] <Sifrazooy> OliveGreen sry that   is the best i can do :D
[20:37] <lethu> OliveGreen, have you tried rebooting?
[20:38] <Torch> OliveGreen: what do you mean with "crashes"? is there a backtrace? is there meaningful log output? we need for information to be able to actually help you and not just guess.
[20:38] <OliveGreen> lethu, Of course I have.
[20:39] <lethu> OliveGreen, then try launching it from a console and watch for error msgs
[20:39] <lethu> OliveGreen, or like Torch suggested look for the crash logs
[20:39] <OliveGreen> Torch, I mean it crashes as in it closes and brings up a "report bug" window.
[20:39] <OliveGreen> lethu, what's the command?
[20:45] <OliveGreen> http://www.pastebin.com/PFrsE9UC
[20:47] <lethu> OliveGreen, can you run another software manager? ie. Synaptic?
[20:49] <OliveGreen> lethu, It's okay, I'm using Muon Package manager instead of Software Center.
[20:49] <BluesKaj> OliveGreen,  forget muon , yours is only one of many reports about muon crashing in the last few weeks...use apt-get or apper or even adept and synaptic
[20:50] <OliveGreen> BluesKaj, I see. I was just going to say it seems it was a very bad choice to put Muon as a default Software Center in the default Kubuntu in installation. :(
[20:50] <aguitel> i try kubuntu 12.04 live cd (daily build) but it dont load
[20:54] <lethu> OliveGreen, Synaptic provides at least the same functionalities (in fact it has even more features which Muon doesn't have)
[20:54] <BluesKaj> package managers are just a reference for applications/packages descriptions in the repos ... apt-get is the cleanest method , also IMO :)
[20:54] <lethu> as Muon
[20:55] <lethu> BluesKaj, but you also have the choice to use a GUI
[20:55] <lethu> some prefer Gui's, others prefer commandline
[20:55] <BluesKaj> synaptic is still in my kmenu/panel
[20:55] <lethu> it's a question of personal preference
[20:55] <BluesKaj> gui as a package reference , yes
[20:57] <OliveGreen> Okay ppl, I also have this really weird problem with my father's new laptop but I'm not sure you can help me fix it.
[20:57] <BluesKaj> ask , you might be surprised
[20:58] <lethu> OliveGreen, it wouldn't hurt if you tried exposing the problem
[20:59] <OliveGreen> Dad just got a new Core i5 HP Pavilion 9 series laptop. And for some reason, the wireless connection seems to be very weak on it although it's located in the same room as a reuter!
[20:59] <OliveGreen> The laptop I'm using now is also located in the same room and it doesn't have that problem. The wireless signal is full here!
[20:59] <BluesKaj> windows 7 or Linux ?
[21:00] <OliveGreen> Linux of course. Kubuntu.
[21:00] <jessie> OliveGreen: Have you tried it in Windows?
[21:01] <lethu> OliveGreen, is something standing on the way between the laptop and the router?
[21:01] <lethu> OliveGreen, or is it supposed to have an antenna plugged in?
[21:01] <OliveGreen> jessie, well.. Nope. I haven't..
[21:01] <BluesKaj> OliveGreen,  which wireless chip ?
[21:01] <aguitel> i try kubuntu 12.04 live cd (daily build) but it dont load ,anyone know this ?
[21:02] <OliveGreen> lethu, nothing big enough to block the wireless coverage.
[21:02] <jessie> OliveGreen: Does it have Windows on it? If so, I'd try that. That will give you a good idea if it is a hardware or software problem.
[21:02] <OliveGreen> BluesKaj, how can I find out?
[21:02] <OliveGreen> jessie, Nope. No Windows on it.
[21:03] <lethu> OliveGreen, as jessie said, it comes down to pin pointing wether it's a hardware or software problem
[21:03] <BluesKaj> OliveGreen,  make sure the laptop is using the same network as yours
[21:03] <OliveGreen> BluesKaj, It is.
[21:03] <lethu> OliveGreen, ie. the wireless integrated card may be damaged
[21:03] <OliveGreen> lethu, Yes. That's right.
[21:03] <jessie> OliveGreen: Okay. Go to a terminal and do 'lspci'. One of the results will say something like 'Network controller: Intel Corperation Centrino Ulitmate-N'
[21:04] <OliveGreen> lethu, but the Laptop is really brand new.
[21:04] <jessie> OliveGreen: Hardware can fail at any time. Might've been DOA or they forgot to plug in an antenna.
[21:04] <lethu> OliveGreen, DOA (dead on arrival) hardware can happen
[21:05] <lethu> OliveGreen, brand new doesn't necessarily guarantee it's not broken
[21:06] <BluesKaj> OliveGreen,  run this in the terminal , sudo iwlist wlan0 scan|grep -i essid , and pastebin the output please , if any.
[21:08] <BluesKaj> wlan0 or it's equivalent on the laptop of course
[21:13] <OliveGreen> BluesKaj, The Network controller is a Broadcom and the Ethernet controller is a Realtek.
[21:14] <BluesKaj> !Broadcom | OliveGreen
[21:20] <OliveGreen> BluesKaj, well the additional driver seems to be already activated. :/
[21:42] <sebas_> How can I disable the 10mins powersave of the video??
[21:47] <sebas_> I google my @ss off.. but cannot find a solution.. tried to do xset -dpms but does not work.. video still goes off after 10 mins of no mouse activity
[22:16] <OliveGreen> I just realized HP hardware is complete junk.. :/
[22:20] <excognac> hi all. For various reasons, I'd like to format my HD. Which is the easiest way to save my kubuntu settings?
[22:35] <excognac> anyone here?


[08:33] <Mo> Hi, as there are lot of Xfce users here, I tried voting for a feauture request, to get horizontal tiling back. They dropped it for maximizing on the upper border, so there is only vertical tiling by border currently. Anyone agrees?
[08:46] <knome> Mo, i'm not sure if this is the forum for that for a few reasons; first, i don't think you are going to get very broad results; second (and not less importantly), this is the xubuntu *support* channel, not the xubuntu user polls channel
[08:47] <knome> Mo, for trying to fix both of those, you can send a mail to the xubuntu-users mailing list
[09:01] <Mo> I see. Ok, sry for that.
[09:05] <knome> Mo, np
[09:42] <jarnos> In Wily, is there an option for Launcher that is set to run in terminal to not close terminal on command exit?
[10:08] <knome> jarnos, use the -H flag for xfce4-terminal
[10:21] <jarnos> knome, ok, thanks for the hint.
[10:57] <xubuntu789> When booting i get "Searching for disk drivers to cancel press C" which ends in a black screen and when i sleep over it i get a booted system on xu 14.04 . Help?
[13:21] <puff> Good morning.  The other day the menus disappeared from Amarok.  I.e. the text menus on the menu bar at the top of the window.  After much fussing, killing and restarting Amarok, then somebody here said "Try ctrl-M" and the menus came back.  I assumed I had just accidentally hit ctrl-M and hidden them.  However, the menus are gone again.  When I type ctrl-M, Amarok warns me "You have chosen to hide the menu bar...etc".  If I type
[13:21] <puff> again, nothing visible/audible happens.  Type ctrl-M a third time and I get the warning popup again.  I assume Amarok thinks it's toggling the menus on and off, but they're not appearing.
[13:21] <puff> Quitting and restarting Amarok has not had any effect.
[13:26] <krytarik> puff: Try asking in #kubuntu.
[13:28] <puff> krytarik: amarok's a kde app?  Okay.
[13:28] <krytarik> Yep.
[13:28] <puff> krytarik: thanks.
[14:13] <n-iCe> hi
[14:13] <n-iCe> is xubuntu more leightweight than lubuntu?
[14:19] <krytarik> n-iCe: Don't expect a different answer on that every day - at least not from me. :P
[16:02] <doesntlikeupgrad> I'm trying to set up a new computer running Xubuntu, with a dual monitor setup. Everything works fine, except I've got a sticky edge between the monitors, and can't figure out how to turn it off. and since I'm not running Unity (I'm running XFCE), the usual advice online doesn't apply. Any ideas how to turn off sticky edges?
[16:03] <doesntlikeupgrad> This is to say, I need to move my mouse a whole lot to get from one screen to the other. Thanks in advance for the help!
[16:05] <doesntlikeupgrad> I've checked in Settings > Display, but don't see a checkbox for sticky edges (though I can adjust where monitors are relative to each other, their resolution, orientation, etc.)
[16:08] <doesntlikeupgrad> ...is anyone here?
[16:08] <flocculant> yea
[16:08] <flocculant> 2 ticks
[16:08] <flocculant> can never remember where it is :)
[16:09] <flocculant> doesntlikeupgrad: possibly window manager tweaks - accessibility - edge resistance
[16:09] <doesntlikeupgrad> Thanks! I'll give that a try.
[16:12] <flocculant> doesntlikeupgrad: hope that's it - can't see anything else that might be it
[16:12] <doesntlikeupgrad> That isn't it. It was unchecked, I tried checking it, and nothing changed. :-(
[16:12] <doesntlikeupgrad> but there are more options here that I haven't looked through yet...
[16:13] <doesntlikeupgrad> Any chance this stuff is stored in a config file I could just edit?
[16:18] <doesntlikeupgrad> Not sure if this helps, but the behavior I see when dragging windows is that it moves smoothly until about a quarter inch of the left of the window remains on the screen and the rest of the window isn't displayed, then with a little more tugging, I can get a quarter inch of the right of the window displayed on the other monitor, and then I can drag the window onto that screen so I can see the whole thing again.
[16:18] <doesntlikeupgrad> It's very odd behavior; I've used Xubuntu on other computers for years and have never seen this.
[16:21] <knome> doesntlikeupgrad, settings manager -> window manaber -> tab advanced -> under windows snapping, unselect "to screen borders"
[16:23] <doesntlikeupgrad> I tried that, doesn't help. That's the setting of whether windows snap to line up with the edges of the display when you move them, but that snaps the left edge of the window to the left edge of the screen. What I actually have is that the right edge of the window doesn't easily move left of the left edge of the right screen.
[16:24] <knome> no, it's the same setting
[16:25] <flocculant> knome: ty
[16:25] <flocculant> never remember which I turn off for what ...
[16:27] <knome> :)
[16:28] <doesntlikeupgrad> This is an unsatisfying resolution, but I fixed it. In Settings > Settings Editor > Displays, I saw that the left screen had resolution 1920x1080, but the right screen had position (3840, 0). I set that to (1920, 0), then went to Display, fiddled with something and set it back to its previous value, and now everything works.
[16:28] <doesntlikeupgrad> Thanks for the help, and sorry about the hassle!
[16:56] <bartosz_> Hi, I have problem. I must sometimes to start the computer 5 times, beacuse screen is black
[16:56] <bartosz_> and I don't see anything
[16:56] <bartosz_> I can log in, but I don't see nothing
[16:57] <bartosz_> Also I had this issue in kubuntu, but when I typed the pass blindly the screen was turning on, the kvm was reseting video driver I think
[16:57] <bartosz_> can someone help me?
[17:05] <bartosz_> any help?
[17:06] <mrkramps> bartosz_, check your log files
[17:06] <mrkramps> and now you'll ask which log files …
[17:06] <bartosz_> I was checking the boot.log one
[17:06] <bartosz_> but nothing found
[17:06] <bartosz_> it is the last boot log?
[17:06] <mrkramps> dmesg, syslog, Xorg.#.log?
[17:07] <bartosz_> are you asking me?
[17:07] <mrkramps> and if ubuntu > 14.04 maybe systemd journal
[17:08] <mrkramps> bartosz_, and /var/log/lightdm/ has log files for your display manager
[17:10] <mrkramps> but i guess, there's probably an issue with XServer and you monitor
[17:10] <mrkramps> --you ++your
[17:12] <bartosz_> don't know
[17:12] <bartosz_> don;t see anything special in lightdm.logs
[17:12] <bartosz_> kde was doing something and system was starting
[17:13] <bartosz_> i mean monitor was turning on
[17:16] <bartosz_> I was trying this command couple minutes ago
[17:16] <bartosz_> sudo lightdm restart
[17:16] <bartosz_> but after that was the black screen with blinking _
[17:17] <bartosz_> and thats all
[17:35] <Noneatme> I have a question
[17:36] <Noneatme> I have a USB headset and ubuntu detects it as a second sound card, how can I switch to this card?
[19:34] <xubuntu59w> hola, necesito ayuda, no funciona flash player en xubunto con chromium, alguien sabria como arreglarlo?
[19:35] <xubuntu59w> hola, necesito ayuda, no funciona flash player en xubunto con chromium, alguien sabria como arreglarlo?
[19:36] <krytarik> !es | xubuntu59w
[21:42] <xubuntu19i> hey guys
[21:43] <xubuntu19i> any one expert with javafx?
[23:19] <bazhang> !info javafx


[04:43] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> does this page have any LTS release downloads? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/16.04/release/
[04:44] <tsimonq2> Shawn|i7-Q720M: Yes.
[04:44] <tsimonq2> Shawn|i7-Q720M: All of them.
[04:44] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> lubuntu-16.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso ?
[04:44] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> whats the difference between 1 and 2?
[04:46] <tsimonq2> Shawn|i7-Q720M: If you ran a simple update on 1, it makes 2.
[04:46] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> okay
[04:46] <tsimonq2> Shawn|i7-Q720M: It's a snapshot of sorts.
[04:46] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> I noticed the 2 is newer in its date
[04:46] <tsimonq2> Yep :)
[04:46] <tsimonq2> It's a compilation of updates
[04:48] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> ah
[04:48] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> does rufus break these or something?
[04:54] <tsimonq2> Shawn|i7-Q720M: I'm not sure.
[04:55] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> I think it defaulting to gpt may be contributing to my problem
[04:55] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> I changed it to mbr
[05:50] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> meh, I installed 16.04 LTS, the new ssd wont boot
[05:50] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> it was booting 17.04 when I was running that on it
[06:29] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> the 16.04.2 image rufus'd to usb is not wanting to work after installing to ssd
[06:39] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> md5 matches
[06:52] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> am I supposed to be getting a grub install request window at the end of installation?
[06:52] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> because I haven't
[06:56] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> and it still doesn't boot
[06:57] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> oh wait, it worked
[07:43] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> it seems anbox is dead in the watter
[07:43] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> not even working on lubuntu 16.04
[08:15] <blisscs> Hello I am having some difficulty using lubuntu.
[08:15] <blisscs> Some of my app doesn't show menu on the top
[08:16] <blisscs> Previously it was showing. I don't know what i did. It does not show now
[21:08] <zuiss1> anyone know if lubuntu is switching to lxqt anytime soon?
[21:09] <wxl> zuiss1: not yet, but we're working on it. we got some very very very very very very very early prototype images going
[21:09] <zuiss1> since lxqt is being released with debian stable this summer, hopefully a lot of bugs will be fixed if they consider it stable enough to ship
[21:09] <wxl> the issue has not been that lxqt is not ready for prime time
[21:09] <zuiss1> wxl: ok thanks just curious
[21:09] <wxl> in fact, it's been pretty darn fantastic for most people that have been using it
[21:09]  * tsimonq2 agrees
[21:09] <tsimonq2> I'm running LXQt right now ;)
[21:10] <wxl> the issue is how do we retain our goal of a lightweight, low resource, but fully functional distro
[21:10] <tsimonq2> zuiss1: Status update in my blog post: https://www.tsimonq2.net/blog/2017/05/31/
[21:10] <zuiss1> tsimonq2: how are you running it, in ubuntu?
[21:10] <wxl> the simple question of, for example, what browser to use, is confounding
[21:10] <zuiss1> thanks for link
[21:10] <tsimonq2> zuiss1: This machine is literally a frankenstein that takes about an hour to reconfigure :P
[21:10] <zuiss1> wxl: yea makes sense
[21:10] <tsimonq2> +1 wxl


[10:43] <k1l> !lts
[10:44] <k1l> LTS means Long Term Support. Until 12.04 LTS versions of Ubuntu were supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server; since 12.04 (Precise Pangolin) LTS versions will be supported for 5 years on the desktop and server. The latest LTS version of Ubuntu is !Trusty (Trusty Thar 14.04)
[12:00] <Pici> tsimpson: When you get a sec, could you fix the spelling of $curLTSLong
[12:09] <tsimpson> !lts
[12:10] <k1l> i made a suggestion to renew that factoid
[12:10] <k1l> 12.04 was not an exception but a change in support time frames
[12:12] <tsimpson> !no lts is <reply> LTS means Long Term Support. Until 12.04 LTS versions of Ubuntu were supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server; since 12.04 (Precise Pangolin) LTS versions will be supported for 5 years on the desktop and server. The latest LTS version of Ubuntu is !$curLTS ($curLTSLong $curLTSNum)
[12:12] <tsimpson> !lts
[12:13] <tsimpson> there's a way to see the raw factoid, you can prefix the factoid name with a +
[12:13] <tsimpson> !+lts
 LTS means Long Term Support. Until 12.04 LTS versions of Ubuntu were supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server; since 12.04 (Precise Pangolin) LTS versions will be supported for 5 years on the desktop and server. The latest LTS version of Ubuntu is !$curLTS ($curLTSLong $curLTSNum)
[12:14] <tsimpson> you should be able to omit in the ! in private too
[12:48] <Pici> tsimpson: thanks :)
[15:01]  * genii_ smacks nickserv
[16:11] <Pici> I guess nobody reads the release notes.
[17:07] <Jordan_U> Pici: Why would I read the release notes when I have intuition and old blog posts?
[17:09] <IdleOne> +1 to that
[17:10] <IdleOne> if schools can teach history from books that were printed in the 60's, old blog posts are good enough for me.
[17:11] <IdleOne> nothing good happened after 1965 anyway
[18:40] <Pici> Jordan_U: that was confusing.


[01:03] <Ravage> hey. is this a known problem already? https://p.haxxors.com/cbhsx2ku.txt
[01:05] <Ravage> ( dpkg --force-overwrite worked just fine of course )
[02:39] <hays> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/yaru-theme-gnome-shell_21.10.2_all.deb (--unpack):
[02:39] <hays>  trying to overwrite<EMAIL_ADDRESS>which is also in package gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock 72~ubuntu2
[02:39] <hays> ^^ anyone know how to fix this
[02:41] <Bashing-om> !info gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock
[02:44] <lotuspsychje> im just getting the same hays
[02:44] <lotuspsychje> after a 850mb jammy update
[02:45] <lotuspsychje> . /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock_72~ubuntu2_all.deb
[02:45] <lotuspsychje> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:48] <lotuspsychje> i dont see a recent relevant bug yet hays
[02:50] <lotuspsychje> let me file one, holdon
[02:54] <lotuspsychje> hays: could you confirm the bug in the left upper corner please? bug #1962273
[02:57] <hays> done
[02:58] <lotuspsychje> tnx a lot!
[03:03] <hays> thank you as well
[03:05] <lotuspsychje> np, love the community debugging
[03:09] <lotuspsychje> hays: bug quick fixed by Daniel
[03:09] <lotuspsychje> now wait for the incoming
[10:00] <lotuspsychje> hays: bug #1962273 fixed released
[12:55] <hays> lotuspsychje:  how do i fix
[12:58] <hays> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/yaru-theme-gnome-shell_21.10.2_all.deb (--unpack):
[12:58] <hays>  trying to overwrite<EMAIL_ADDRESS>which is also in package gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock 72~ubuntu
[13:36] <Ravage> hays: i already see the updated package. do you still get the error?
[13:48] <hays> Ravage: yes
[13:50] <Ravage> sudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/yaru-theme-gnome-shell_21.10.2_all.deb
[13:50] <hays> sudo apt --fix-broken install
[13:50] <Ravage> shoud at least get rid of the problem for now
[13:50] <hays> ok
[13:51] <hays> yes that resolved it
[14:09] <alkisg> Heh, the last apt full-upgrade crashed xorg, but it's still running in the background.,
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/02/ubuntu-22-04-big-theme-drop


[10:56] <ranjan>  Hi all can anyone explain me what Cloud Computing is?
[11:15] <flaccid> ranjan: try the entry in wikipedia
[14:05] <smoser> kim0, regarding python versions
[14:05] <smoser> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-defaults
[14:05] <smoser> python 2.7 would be ok but then, any utility instances that you fire have to have python2.7 if you end up running python code there.
[14:06] <smoser> that said, limiting yourself to python2.6 means you run on everything supported except for hardy.
[16:40] <elasticdog> I've got a test cloud set up where launching instances works just fine, but creating a storage volume immediately fails: http://pastie.org/1537407
[16:43] <elasticdog> I pastied the applicable log entries from both the CLC & SC
[16:45] <kim0> does a file actually get created in //var/lib/eucalyptus/volumes/vol-*
[16:46] <elasticdog> kim0: let me check
[16:48] <elasticdog> kim0: yep, it creates the file, and it looks like it actually stays there until I do a euca-describe-volumes
[16:49] <kim0> can you increase log verbosity level
[16:49] <elasticdog> it's already on the default debug
[16:49] <elasticdog> -h
[16:50] <elasticdog> they definitely stick around until you run a describe-volumes...not sure if I can actually mount/use them
[16:50] <kim0> elasticdog: do you have too many volumes already running
[16:50] <elasticdog> I have no volumes running and plenty of free space
[16:50] <kim0> It seems
[16:50] <kim0> losetup /dev/loop0 //var/lib/eucalyptus/volumes/vol-59920626
[16:50] <kim0> is failing
[16:51] <kim0> can you try that on any file you create
[16:52] <elasticdog> running that manually seems to exit cleanly
[16:52] <kim0> ls /dev/loop0 exists ?
[16:52] <elasticdog> yep
[16:53] <kim0> hmm
[16:53] <kim0> well clean it up for now .. losetup -d /dev/loop0
[16:56] <elasticdog> odd that it only seems to disappear after running a euca-describe-volumes on it...let me see if I can actually mount it
[17:04] <elasticdog> it won't let me attach the volume either, but the file sticks around still
[17:53] <elasticdog> found another error in the cloud-error.log: ERROR com.eucalyptus.util.EucalyptusCloudException: Could not export AoE device /dev/vg--g73dA../lv-5GN9hA..
[17:55] <elasticdog> might be VNET_INTERFACE related on the CLC per http://open.eucalyptus.com/wiki/EucalyptusTroubleshooting_v1.5
[18:02] <terje> does anyone know if RackSpace is going to be API compatable with AWS at any point?
[18:10] <elasticdog> kim0: I figured it out...the VNET_*INTERFACE settings in eucalyptus.conf do NOT apply to the SC for whatever reason, but using the admin web interface I was able to properly set it to eth1 instead of eth0
[18:10] <elasticdog> there's a caveat listed about that in the eucalyptus.conf man page
[18:35] <elasticdog> is it correct that neither the SC nor Walrus have any built-in data replication capabilities?
[19:04] <kim0> elasticdog: AFAIK, openstack already provides partial EC2 api compat
[19:06] <elasticdog> kim0: yeah, I'm investigating OpenStack as well...looks like integration with a SAN or using a homebrew solution with something like GlusterFS is the way to get data replication for the SC/Walrus
[19:07] <kim0> elasticdog: agree .. drbd is an option as well
[19:19] <elasticdog> so I assume that you are limited to a single SC per cluster, and a single Walrus machine per cloud?
[19:20] <elasticdog> it seems like OpenStack's ring architecture approach might fit in better with our use-case
[20:36] <kim0> Any idea why the following is failing as unauthorized
[20:36] <kim0> ec2-describe-image-attribute --block-device-mapping  ami-0601f16f
[20:36] <kim0> that's a public natty ami
[20:37] <kim0> smoser ^
[20:37] <smoser> you dont have access to that.
[20:37] <smoser> its strange, but true.
[20:38] <smoser> :)
[20:38] <kim0> I wanna know the snapshot of the ami
[20:38] <kim0> so that we can clone it
[20:38] <smoser> you dont have access to the snapshot anyway
[20:39] <kim0> my understanding is .. we get AMI-ID -> Volume -> snapshot -> create new vol -> mount that
[20:39] <smoser> this is something that i've considered doing , for exactly this reason
[20:39] <kim0> is that incorrect
[20:39] <kim0> that's for the tool to copy AMIs across regions
[20:39] <smoser> i dont really follow what you're suggesting, but you can do that for images you own
[20:40] <smoser> you're not guaranteed to be able to see snapshots or apparently some image attributes of images you don't own.
[20:40] <kim0> smoser: so basically the tool to copy AMIs .. gets an AMI ID .. How is it possible to find out the volume to attach/mount
[20:41] <smoser> like you're suggesting
[20:41] <kim0> Are you saying I can only copy AMIs that I own!
[20:41] <smoser> you just can't copy an AMI that you dont own.
[20:41] <kim0> duh
[20:41] <smoser> that make sense.
[20:41] <smoser> err.. that *does* make sense.
[20:41] <kim0> I can already start it .. and copy it then
[20:42] <kim0> right
[20:42] <smoser> well, no.
[20:42] <smoser> the ability to launch an instance of something is not the ability to read it "raw"
[20:42] <smoser> ie, chmod 0711 /bin/foo
[20:42] <smoser> you have execute access to ami-0601f16f but not read
[20:43] <kim0> so for the purposes of this tool .. to test it ..
[20:43] <kim0> we'd need to upload our own image ?
[20:43] <kim0> and copy that
[20:43] <kim0> any easier path to get a golden image
[20:43] <kim0> to copy/test with
[20:44] <kim0> like do you have any image that has that read permission allowed
[20:48] <smoser> well, its easy enough to test in 1 of 2 ways
[20:49] <smoser> 1.) who cares if the instance runs or not, use a 1G volume, and register it as an AMI.  will cost basically $0.00, it just wont boot.
[20:49] <smoser> 2.) populate a snapshot from uec-images, and make one that *does* boot. still can use a 1G filesystem.
[21:24] <kim0> smoser: thanks
[21:25] <smoser> kim0, if you want to push on making snapshots public... i do think that would be useful
[21:25] <smoser> but in the describe-image-attribute case, it would still fail
[21:26] <smoser> there woudl be no data publically available in AWS that would link AMI -> SNAPHOST
[21:26] <smoser> or even SNAPSHOT :)
[21:26] <smoser> interesting anagram in this case
[22:29] <daker_> kim0, question: why don't you put the website on the topic ?