[09:34] <trunks5150> how does one install linx with raid
[13:59] <fredoom> Hello there !
[19:59] <studiobot> danielmkarlsson was added by: danielmkarlsson
[23:45] <Kiui> hi
[23:47] <Kiui> I'm having some issues with getting ubuntu loading to desktop
[23:47] <Kiui> can anyone help?
[23:48] <OvenWerks> I can try. I am not sure what you mean by "getting ubuntu loading to desktop"
[23:50] <Kiui> so basically I have installed from a Live USB that works fine, and after restarting it worked, then updated, now loading to just either a black screen, OR, a terminal, upon logging in and typing startx, nothing happens, and reinstalling gnome did not with either
[23:50] <OvenWerks> gnome? which ISO did you install?
[23:51] <Kiui> Ubuntu Studio 18.04
[23:51] <OvenWerks> So why would install gnome on top of that?
[23:51] <OvenWerks> ubuntustudio does not have gnome
[23:54] <Kiui> idk, it's what my friend recommended
[23:54] <Kiui> but it didn't work so.
[23:55] <Kiui> if it helps it's been 10 years since I've used Linux, my last distro was called #!
[23:55] <OvenWerks> If you want gnome as a desktop it is bestter to install ubuntu (vanilla) and install the Studio sw over top of that
[23:55] <Kiui> Well, the whole issue was, the live USB worked (still does), but after installing to my HDD, would no longer let me have a GUI
[23:56] <OvenWerks> ubuntustudio comes with xfce as a desktop, which is pretty close to the way gnome used to be with gnome 2
[23:57] <OerHeks> black screen, maybe nomodeset is your solution
[23:57] <OerHeks> !nomodeset
[23:57] <OvenWerks> That is odd. I would not expect that to be a desktop gui problem so much as graphics drivers
[23:57] <OerHeks> and if it is pretty new hardware, other options might be needed..
[23:58] <Kiui> It also won't recognize my nVidia drivers as well
[23:58] <Kiui> 1660 Gtx
[23:58] <Kiui> something about nouveau
[23:58] <OvenWerks> Still, it should have installed thing much the same as the iso live session
[23:59] <Kiui> should I just reinstall it?


[01:58] <holstein> anybody got darkice working in ubuntu
[01:58] <holstein> ?
[01:58] <holstein> lucid?
[02:11] <dtcrshr> me
[02:11] <dtcrshr> we use darksnow + darkice for broadcasting
[02:12] <holstein> w00t
[02:12] <dtcrshr> whats your issue?
[02:12] <holstein> and it just works dtcrshr ?
[02:12]  * holstein is getting it up to observe error
[02:13] <dtcrshr> well, iv updated my ubuntustudio from 9.10 to 10.04, it just works
[02:13] <dtcrshr> i open my saved preset via darksnow and voilá
[02:14] <holstein> i cant imagine what i have done
[02:14] <holstein> i must have changed something
[02:15] <dtcrshr> try reinstalling darkice
[02:15] <dtcrshr> if you call darksnow via terminal, what do u get after the connection?
[02:15] <dtcrshr> try debugging this messages
[02:16] <holstein> hmmm
[02:16] <holstein> i got some differnt stuff this time
[02:16] <holstein> let me go for the re-instal
[02:16] <holstein> l
[02:16] <holstein> i like that
[02:16] <holstein> and i dont think i did that yet
[02:17] <dtcrshr> its a shot
[02:17] <dtcrshr> do u use icecream too?
[02:18] <holstein> dont know about icescream
[02:19] <holstein> http://icecream.sourceforge.net/
[02:19] <holstein> right?
[02:21] <dtcrshr> yes
[02:22] <holstein> hmm
[02:22] <holstein> well its different now
[02:22] <holstein> it use to show up for a second in jack 'connect;
[02:22] <holstein> and then jack would crash
[02:22] <holstein> now jack is not crashing
[02:23] <dtcrshr> hm
[02:23] <dtcrshr> im considering u use darksnow to call darkice
[02:23] <dtcrshr> does darksnow configs are with the same sample rate than jack?
[02:23] <holstein> im trying that
[02:23] <holstein> yup
[02:23] <dtcrshr> output is jack_auto ?
[02:23] <holstein> im going to try to do it without darksnow
[02:23] <holstein> dtcrshr: yeah
[02:24] <holstein> jack_auto
[02:24] <holstein> :/
[02:24] <dtcrshr> is there another
[02:24] <dtcrshr> only jack
[02:24] <holstein> i tried both
[02:24] <dtcrshr> it opens and closes? whats up on your terminal?
[02:25] <holstein> quite a bit of stuff
[02:25] <holstein> i'll have to pastebin in here in a bit
[02:27] <holstein> SO
[02:27] <holstein> without darksnow
[02:27] <holstein> i get
[02:28] <holstein> registering as jack client
[02:28] <holstein> and a number
[02:28] <holstein> then 0 bytes transfered to the encoders
[02:29] <dtcrshr> lots of ?
[02:29] <holstein> output
[02:29] <dtcrshr> well, i personally insist that you use darksnow to call darkice, and call it from terminal
[02:29] <holstein> OK
[02:33] <holstein> DarkIce: Util.cpp:263: number conversion error [0]
[02:33] <holstein> im getting that
[02:34]  * holstein google-ing
[02:34]  * dtcrshr making dinner, brb
[02:41] <holstein> MultiThreadedConnector :: transfer, can't read


[03:20] <akiva-thinkpad> nik90, ping
[03:20] <akiva-thinkpad> As far as code review goes for this MP, please also ensure that in the ClockPage.qml, the DateTime{} updateInterval is changes to,
[03:20] <akiva-thinkpad> updateInterval: 1000
[03:21] <akiva-thinkpad> There is no DateTime{} component in ClockPage, and the function as defined in the .cpp is already 1000
[03:21] <akiva-thinkpad> so if you were just double checking; its already done afaik
[03:48]  * ahoneybun updates his SameSexMarriage app as more states made it legal
[05:55] <akiva-thinkpad> !ping
[05:55] <akiva-thinkpad> connected!
[05:55] <akiva-thinkpad> evening everyone
[06:07] <akiva-thinkpad> morning dpm
[06:07] <dpm> hey akiva-thinkpad
[06:07] <dpm> morning everyone
[06:09] <akiva-thinkpad> dpm, after I merge from trunk, would you be willing to give this another look? I fixed the branch awhile back per your suggestion
[06:10] <dpm> akiva-thinkpad, sure, which branch?
[06:12] <akiva-thinkpad> dpm, https://code.launchpad.net/~akiva/ubuntu-terminal-app/1349749workaround-select-font-added-to-preferences/+merge/235621
[06:13] <dpm> akiva-thinkpad, thanks.  You are cool about it, but I'll try to be better in the future.
[08:03] <akiva-thinkpad> should be pushed.
[08:04] <nik90> akiva-thinkpad: just a headsup, for some time now in the clock app we don't accept UI changes until it is absolutely necessary. At this point of time we are only bug-fixing and improving performance where we can.
[08:04] <nik90> akiva-thinkpad: I do have 2 branches that implement some string changes but that's also because it was specified in the design spec.
[08:04] <akiva-thinkpad> nik90, totally understand.
[08:05] <nik90> akiva-thinkpad: thnx, that's appreciated
[08:05] <akiva-thinkpad> nik90, :) RTM stability takes precedence
[08:07] <nik90> indeed
[08:12] <ahayzen> nik90, the CardView landed \o/ thanks for your help :)
[08:12] <nik90> ahayzen: np, it looks awesome btw
[08:12] <ahayzen> nik90, thanks i'm gonna port it to the other pages when i get back from lectures :)
[08:13] <nik90> ahayzen: wooop woop
[08:19] <akiva-thinkpad> nik90, hmmm failed jenkins
[08:19] <nik90> akiva-thinkpad: don't worry, I will handle it on my side.. the tests are passing, it seems to be some other issue with jenkins itself.
[08:20] <nik90> akiva-thinkpad: I will have to wait for some QA people to come online first
[08:21] <nik90> balloons, fginther: We have some QML tests failing with error message http://paste.ubuntu.com/8513021/ ...it looks like a jenkins machine issue. Can you take a look pls?
[08:22] <nik90> balloons, fginther: its for MP https://code.launchpad.net/~akiva/ubuntu-clock-app/1363968-no-animation-secondshand-updates-every-second/+merge/234618
[08:39] <mivoligo> nik90: ping
[08:39] <nik90> mivoligo: pong
[08:40] <mihir> popey: ping
[08:40] <mivoligo> nik90: http://mivoligo.deviantart.com/art/Kelpies-1920x1080-486943189
[08:40] <davidcalle> zbenjamin, hello, I'm having an issue when running a scope on the phone from the SDK, appearance changes done in the .ini file are not applied. Any idea why?
[08:40] <popey> morning mihir
[08:40] <nik90> mivoligo: ooh cool, thnx
[08:40] <mihir> popey: very good morning :)
[08:40] <mihir> popey: are we deciding to drop weekview ?
[08:41] <mivoligo> nik90: let me know if you prefer original image :)
[08:41] <popey> I think we agreed not to
[08:41] <popey> in the meeting
[08:41] <mihir> popey: okay, so we'll change day view as as per kunal's MP , is that correct ?
[08:41] <popey> yes
[08:41] <nik90> mivoligo: nah, its looks good..my wallpaper is set
[08:41] <popey> feel free to test it a bit more than I did ☻
[08:41] <mihir> popey: okay got it :)
[08:41] <mivoligo> nik90: :D great!
[08:42] <mihir> popey: sure i;ll do it tonight :D
[08:42] <popey> thanks
[08:42]  * mihir gets back to office work :)
[08:42] <zbenjamin> davidcalle: scopes support is pretty new and not very trivial, so there might be stuff that does not work properly. But its possible that from you last run something was not cleaned up
[08:43] <davidcalle> zbenjamin, what do I need to remove?
[08:46] <zbenjamin> davidcalle: check if the scope is still installed on the phone and if its still running
[08:46] <zbenjamin> davidcalle: ps aux | grep scoperunner should help
[08:57] <davidcalle> zbenjamin, I've seen the light. The Start/Stop button at the bottom of the editor doesn't do the same thing as the Start one on the left. -_-
[08:57] <zbenjamin> davidcalle: huh
[08:58] <zbenjamin> davidcalle: now thats new for me
[08:58] <zbenjamin> what happens?
[08:58] <davidcalle> zbenjamin, the one at the bottom doesn't rebuild. Just pushes the existing click.
[08:58] <zbenjamin> aaa, yeah the start button is different but not stop
[08:58] <davidcalle> So yeah, no changes were applied ^^
[08:59] <akiva-thinkpad> hey a bit of a c++ question: http://i.imgur.com/mvbpDBi.png is this a proper way of importing this header? before it was <security/pam_appl.h> and that was giving me the same error
[08:59] <zbenjamin> davidcalle: it just restarts the last run configuration
[08:59] <popey> akiva-thinkpad: is that when building in an armhf kit?
[09:00] <akiva-thinkpad> popey, no,
[09:00] <akiva-thinkpad> desktop and on emulator
[09:00] <zbenjamin> akiva-thinkpad: thats not a good way to import a header, no
[09:00] <zbenjamin> akiva-thinkpad: first check if it exists at all
[09:00] <akiva-thinkpad> zbenjamin, it does; see the screenshot?
[09:00] <popey> akiva-thinkpad: libpam0g-dev
[09:00] <akiva-thinkpad> its open in nautilus
[09:00] <akiva-thinkpad> its installed
[09:01] <zbenjamin> akiva-thinkpad: yeah but that is a emulator target
[09:01] <zbenjamin> akiva-thinkpad: and you are looking on your host system and not in the chroot
[09:01] <akiva-thinkpad> zbenjamin, ah good point
[09:01]  * akiva-thinkpad checks
[09:02] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Frappe Day! :-D
[09:03] <akiva-thinkpad> zbenjamin, the chroot goes to the src file right?
[09:03] <akiva-thinkpad> in the build directory?
[09:03] <akiva-thinkpad> not src file, src folder*
[09:04] <zbenjamin> akiva-thinkpad: ?? you are confusing me ;)
[09:04] <akiva-thinkpad> zbenjamin, lol sorry
[09:04]  * akiva-thinkpad pokes around
[09:04] <zbenjamin> akiva-thinkpad: the chroot mounts your home directory
[09:04] <akiva-thinkpad> zbenjamin, oh really? that is unexpected
[09:04] <zbenjamin> akiva-thinkpad: the chroot itself is in /var/lib/schroot/chroots/ubuntu-sdk-14.10....
[09:04] <akiva-thinkpad> ah
[09:05] <akiva-thinkpad> zbenjamin, so should I go in there and find the file?
[09:05] <zbenjamin> akiva-thinkpad: yeah the file is most likely not there, so you have to install the package in the chroot
[09:05] <akiva-thinkpad> zbenjamin, is this something I should file as a bug?
[09:06] <zbenjamin> akiva-thinkpad: no, this is most likely not part of the framework specification
[09:07] <akiva-thinkpad> zbenjamin, okay thanks for taking the time to explain that
[09:08] <akiva-thinkpad> zbenjamin, okay so you were right, the security folder which contains the header, is not schroots /usr/include
[09:08] <akiva-thinkpad> zbenjamin, should I copy pasta it there using root?
[09:09] <zbenjamin> noooooo
[09:09] <zbenjamin> ;)
[09:09] <akiva-thinkpad> :P
[09:09] <zbenjamin> akiva-thinkpad: you need to log into the chroot
[09:09] <akiva-thinkpad> zbenjamin, ah okay; and I do that in the sdk,
[09:09] <akiva-thinkpad> I think I know this
[09:09] <zbenjamin> in qtcreator: tools -> options -> ubuntu -> maintain
[09:09] <akiva-thinkpad> I go to the ubuntu settings and go to maintain
[09:09] <akiva-thinkpad> yes
[09:09] <akiva-thinkpad> zbenjamin, thanks :D
[09:09] <zbenjamin> akiva-thinkpad: then you need to install libpam0g-dev:<arch of chroot>
[09:09] <akiva-thinkpad> I am starting to understand this much better!
[09:10] <akiva-thinkpad> !cookie | zbenjamin
[09:10] <zbenjamin> lol ;) thanks
[09:11] <akiva-thinkpad> zbenjamin, Just curious; why does maintain chroot not have sudo as a command in it? I am assuming it is for safety, but I am wondering if you have a better answer
[09:12] <zbenjamin> akiva-thinkpad: well first you are already root
[09:12] <akiva-thinkpad> root in the chroot's mind?
[09:12] <akiva-thinkpad> ah I see
[09:12] <akiva-thinkpad> yes
[09:12] <akiva-thinkpad> :P
[09:12] <zbenjamin> akiva-thinkpad: because click maintain logs you in as root
[09:12] <akiva-thinkpad> okay that makes senes
[09:12] <akiva-thinkpad> snes
[09:12] <akiva-thinkpad> essenses
[09:12] <akiva-thinkpad> bah
[09:12] <akiva-thinkpad> sense
[09:13] <zbenjamin> akiva-thinkpad: click run, logs you in as user, but its a special session that reverts all changes on the chroot itself. So even if you could become root in a "run" session all changes would be lost. THey probably wanted to make it harder to become root
[09:13] <akiva-thinkpad> cool
[09:13] <akiva-thinkpad> thanks
[09:35] <popey> akiva-thinkpad: https://code.launchpad.net/~akiva/sudoku-app/upgrade-ubuntu-components-1.1/+merge/232987 looks like pep8 simple fixes in the python.
[09:36] <akiva-thinkpad> popey, not sure what pep8 is; should I look it up?
[09:37] <akiva-thinkpad> also is there anything I can do about this?
[09:39] <popey> yes, it tells you what to do
[09:40] <akiva-thinkpad> okay cool
[09:40] <popey> ./debian/tmp/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/sudoku_app/settings.py:27:1: E112 expected an indented block
[09:40] <popey> # it must be called Page11
[09:40] <popey> e.g.
[09:40] <popey> that should be indented consistently with the code around it
[09:40] <popey> it's pretty simple, just annoying ☻
[09:41] <akiva-thinkpad> popey, ah yes actually I do sort of this; so what I need to do is go into the test, and make sure the syntax follows pep8?
[09:41] <popey> yup
[09:41] <akiva-thinkpad> popey, thanks; will do
[09:41] <popey> you can run pep8 locally to check it
[09:44] <mihir> akiva-thinkpad: you can use this if you want https://pypi.python.org/pypi/autopep8/
[09:45] <akiva-thinkpad> mihir, oh cool; is it just a function you feed the file into?
[09:45] <mihir> akiva-thinkpad: no install this on your machine, and it can be  called from command line like this, autopep8 --in-place --aggressive --aggressive <filename>
[09:45] <akiva-thinkpad> yah thats what I meant; function was a bad term
[09:45] <akiva-thinkpad> thanks
[09:46] <mihir> akiva-thinkpad: np :)
[09:46] <akiva-thinkpad> mihir, is it in the repos or do I build the tarball?
[09:47] <mihir> akiva-thinkpad: i guess it should be installable from pip
[09:47] <mihir> akiva-thinkpad: pip install autopep8
[09:48] <akiva-thinkpad> mihir, ive heard pip tossed around before; is it for installing python libraries?
[09:48] <popey> you can also install from repo
[09:48] <popey> python-autopep8
[09:48] <akiva-thinkpad> popey, ah got it
[09:48] <akiva-thinkpad> !cookies
[09:49] <nerochiaro> zbenjamin: i know it's wishlist material, but can we have a "don't ask again" checkbox on the dialog asking if we want to install over an already installed app ?
[09:49] <zbenjamin> nerochiaro: just set it in in the run settings
[09:50] <zbenjamin> nerochiaro: but i guess the dialog could do that as well ..
[09:50] <popey> zbenjamin: how do we set the manifest properties now? used to be a dialog for it, but I can't find it now
[09:51] <nerochiaro> zbenjamin: ah, didn't notice that in the run settings. it will do for now, but yeah, dialog is nicer too
[09:51] <zbenjamin> popey: the manifest file has now a proper editor, can you see the manifest.json[.in] file somewhere in your project tree?
[09:51] <popey> oh
[09:52] <popey> \o/
[09:52] <popey> brilliant! thanks!
[09:52] <zbenjamin> :)
[09:52] <popey> !cookie zbenjamin
[09:52] <popey> bah
[09:53] <zbenjamin> hehe he has no more cookies ;)
[09:53] <mihir> hahahah :D popey your cookie has been eaten by ubot5 :P
[09:54] <akiva-thinkpad> ha ha
[09:58] <akiva-thinkpad> hey do any of you know if there is a shortcut for pushing to the branch you branched from?
[09:58] <akiva-thinkpad> I hate having to go back and copy pasta lp:~akiva/cookies/124324325234-bug-something-rather
[10:07] <popey> bzr push with --remember, i think
[10:10] <zbenjamin> akiva-thinkpad: bzr push :parent maybe? but check with bzr info first what the parent branch is
[10:10] <zbenjamin> or you might end up pushing to trunk ;)
[10:11] <akiva-thinkpad> zbenjamin, heh
[10:11] <akiva-thinkpad> !cookie | zbenjamin
[10:11] <akiva-thinkpad> still got it!
[10:11] <akiva-thinkpad> ;)
[10:11] <zbenjamin> :)
[10:56] <akiva-thinkpad> dpm, hey for this bit of code :             model: [
[10:56] <akiva-thinkpad>                 "Droid Sans Mono",
[10:56] <akiva-thinkpad>                 "Liberation Mono",
[10:56] <akiva-thinkpad>                 "Monospace",
[10:56] <akiva-thinkpad>                 "Ubuntu Mono"
[10:57] <akiva-thinkpad> do I need the translation function?
[10:57] <akiva-thinkpad> or will "droid sans mono" be displayed as such in all languages
[10:58] <dpm> akiva-thinkpad, it'd be nice to translate it, yes
[10:58] <akiva-thinkpad> okay
[10:58] <akiva-thinkpad> dpm, also; this is for a list item; is there any html I can apply to this to make these fonts display in their respected font?
[10:59] <akiva-thinkpad> <font family="ubuntu mono"> sort of thing?
[10:59] <dpm> akiva-thinkpad, I don't know, sorry
[10:59] <akiva-thinkpad> okay thanks
[11:12] <akiva-thinkpad> dpm, anyways as said earlier https://code.launchpad.net/~akiva/ubuntu-terminal-app/1349749workaround-select-font-added-to-preferences/+merge/235621
[11:13] <popey> dpm: surely the font nae isn't translated is it?
[11:13] <popey> it's a "brand name" - is "Times New Roman" called something else outside of en_GB?
[11:13] <akiva-thinkpad> popey, do you think I should revert it back?
[11:14] <popey> I'm asking... I don't know what font names look like in "foreign" ☻
[11:14] <akiva-thinkpad> actually I better double check, as the code does rely on the names to fetch the actual font
[11:15]  * akiva-thinkpad takes it out
[11:19] <dpm> popey, right, but "Monospace" is not. Perhaps only that one should be marked for translation, then
[11:20] <akiva-thinkpad> dpm, question is; would the filename, monospace.ttf or whatever it is, change?
[11:21] <akiva-thinkpad> because the list pushes to the database the text input, to tell kterminal what font to use.
[11:21] <dpm> akiva-thinkpad, no, the filename would not change
[11:21] <akiva-thinkpad> dpm, okay, so I will leave it out for the time being.
[11:23] <ahayzen> dpm, thanks for going through all of those music-app bugs :)
[11:30] <akiva-thinkpad> mihir, yah that autopep8 didnt seem to solve the issue unfortunately
[11:30] <mihir> akiva-thinkpad: np
[11:31] <akiva-thinkpad> mihir, jenkins is still failing me. :/
[11:32] <mihir> akiva-thinkpad: link
[11:32] <mihir> ?
[11:33] <dpm> ahayzen, you're welcome :)
[11:34] <popey> akiva-thinkpad: read the log - it's failing pyflakes now.
[11:34] <popey> ./tests/autopilot/sudoku_app/__init__.py:23: 'settings' imported but unused
[11:34] <popey> ./debian/sudoku-app-autopilot/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/sudoku_app/__init__.py:23: 'settings' imported but unused
[11:34] <popey> ./debian/tmp/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/sudoku_app/__init__.py:23: 'settings' imported but unused
[11:34] <akiva-thinkpad> ah what I was reading was saying that it was still expecting indents
[11:35] <popey> or are they warnings? it's not clear
[11:35] <ahayzen> popey, thats from pyflakes
[11:35] <ahayzen> popey, you'll need to fix that though
[11:35] <popey> yeah, i said ☻
[11:35] <ahayzen> ah yes
[11:37] <akiva-thinkpad> uhmmm or was I?
[11:37] <akiva-thinkpad> bah
[11:37] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, which mp is it your working on? i came in half way through the conversation
[11:38] <akiva-thinkpad> oh just library imports for the sudoku app
[11:38] <ahayzen> ah right
[11:46] <ahayzen> Hi, is there any way of telling if a page is stacked in a PageStack ?
[11:52] <popey> bug 1352604
[11:52] <popey> rpadovani: ^^
[12:03] <mihir> popey: regarding this bug i am still not able to get it is it from calendar or somewhere else :P https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1339020
[12:04] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, http://i.imgur.com/0YIDCGJ.png looks good?
[12:04] <akiva-thinkpad> that was the branch I was working on; Merged from trunk
[12:04] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, possibly i'm no designer though :P
[12:05] <popey> mihir: i still don't think that's a bug - it's showing on the right day, it's just the arrow pointing to the wrong day because the arrow is in the middle
[12:05] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, i'm still not sure if we are having the artist: album: or if what we have now is what we are keeping
[12:05] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, nice to see the blue there.
[12:05] <ahayzen> i'm just trying to figure out a pagestack issue at the moment
[12:05] <akiva-thinkpad> sec
[12:06] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, what pagestack issue?
[12:06] <ahayzen> "Hi, is there any way of telling if a page is stacked in a PageStack ?"
[12:06] <ahayzen> or maybe i can find another way...
[12:08] <t1mp> ahayzen: page.pageStack !== null
[12:08] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, okay well the reasoning of taking out the album was the background should have accounted for that
[12:08] <ahayzen> t1mp, ah ok so from the actual page itself
[12:08] <akiva-thinkpad> popey, dpm what do you think http://i.imgur.com/0YIDCGJ.png -- is listing the album redundant in that picture due to the image at the top?
[12:09] <t1mp> ahayzen: yes :)
[12:09] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, yeah i meant the labels, you have "Album: abc" "Artist: def" ... where as remix doesn't it just has title/artist and then the art
[12:09] <ahayzen> t1mp, yey i'll try that thanks :)
[12:09] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, yep; I know
[12:10] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, as I gathered, the reasoning was the potential redundancy
[12:10] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, yeah basically that was jouni's reasoning IIRC
[12:10] <akiva-thinkpad> For my part though; I have a lot of songs without album art.
[12:10] <ahayzen> which makes sense... assuming you have cover art as you said
[12:11] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, and what I want to add eventually to this, is copy and paste functionality on press and hold
[12:11] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, copy and paste what?
[12:11] <akiva-thinkpad> thus if you had a song, and wanted to copy and paste the title of it
[12:11] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, the labels?
[12:11] <akiva-thinkpad> then
[12:11] <akiva-thinkpad> exactly
[12:11] <ahayzen> interesting
[12:11] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, would a share button now be more useful in the header or something
[12:11] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, thats what my phone has
[12:12] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, maybe; this is just stuff for later though.
[12:12] <akiva-thinkpad> okay I might as well push
[12:12] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, yeah probably not for the quick sprint we are doing
[12:12]  * akiva-thinkpad checks for translation....
[12:12] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, what else needs to be done?
[12:12] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, errrr let me check
[12:14] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, most things have assignee's now lol or are WIP.... tbh we are awaiting the next round of designs so we can create items from them
[12:14] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, obviously testing to death needs doing :P
[12:15] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, one thing I noticed on the desktop, was that change the seek causes shreeking
[12:15] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, there is a bug for that....
[12:16] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, hmmm? maybe i'll assign myself
[12:16] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, oh on desktop? .... i thought you meant the media-hub laggyness bug 1310706
[12:16] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, define shreeking ?
[12:16] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, errm maybe not; thought through my solution...
[12:16] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, like noises "KHHHH!" "PCHIK"
[12:17] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, oh thats gstreamer
[12:17] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, not much we can do about that
[12:17] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, of interest what audio format are your files? mp3?
[12:17] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, what about on the fly volume change
[12:17] <akiva-thinkpad> might be cpu intensive ~
[12:17] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, have you tried flacs?
[12:17] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, I usually do vorbis; that happens to be an mp3
[12:18] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, lol; I want space leftover on my machine!
[12:18] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, don't use mp3 then :P
[12:18] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, I don't!
[12:18] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, yeah my music folder is over 50GB now...
[12:18] <akiva-thinkpad> just happened to be the most readily available
[12:18] <akiva-thinkpad> to tell you the truth; most of the music I get from downloading from youtube
[12:18] <akiva-thinkpad> which is m4a converted into ogg
[12:18] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, haha i buy CDs and then rip flac from that
[12:19] <akiva-thinkpad> ah... cd's sound nice :)
[12:19] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen is such a hipster, using cd's
[12:19] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, i'll have a talk with the media-hub guys about the "shreeking" and see if there is anything they can do
[12:19] <akiva-thinkpad> :P
[12:19] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, well test it on the phone see if it happens there
[12:19] <akiva-thinkpad> I don't have a device
[12:20] <akiva-thinkpad> and the emulator.. well yah
[12:20] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, no i use them so i can have flacs that are sometimes 1000 kbps
[12:20] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, oh yeah i think it is fine on the phone
[12:20] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, but as i said it may be just the format i'm not sure when jim is about i'll ask him as he knows alot about gst
[12:22] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, I think I know a way to fix this, when you do a seek, say jump to the middle of the song, it starts off "bleek",
[12:22] <ahayzen> t1mp, my page.pageStack never goes null is it because the page is defined inside the pagestack ?
[12:23] <akiva-thinkpad> so if we just had the volume fade in quickly, it would reduce to eliminate that
[12:23] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, i guess but then why should we change the volume for all formats if is fine on others...and should we be doing this i feel it should be lower down if it is a platform thing?
[12:24] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, as all we do is go MediaPlayer.seek(pos)
[12:24] <ahayzen> t1mp, i've also noticed that the number of children in the pagestack keeps increasing as u push/pop and never comes down?
[12:32] <ahayzen> t1mp, ok so page.pageStack is null at the start but after select back in the header it never goes back to null?
[12:32] <t1mp> ahayzen: ah.. page.pageStack is set by the PageStack when the Page is pushed, but maybe it is never unset
[12:33] <ahayzen> t1mp, sorry i mean after pushing to the stack and then never null after going back
[12:33] <ahayzen> t1mp, that sounds bad ;)
[12:33] <ahayzen> t1mp, should that be a bug in the UITK then?
[12:33] <t1mp> ahayzen: I just needed to know on which stack the Page was
[12:33] <t1mp> ahayzen: there was never a use case for using the pageStack property to see if the Page is on a stack
[12:33] <t1mp> ahayzen: yes, please
[12:33] <t1mp> ahayzen: and describe your use case
[12:34] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, do you know how to do a check for landscape?
[12:34] <ahayzen> t1mp, haha our usecase.... so if you push page B on A and then C on B....when you go back from C it needs to go to A ... but when u push D onto C and u hit back it needs to go to C
[12:35] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, check if the width of mainview is larger than the height?
[12:35] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, you mean check if you are currently in landscape or enabled switching to landscape?
[12:36] <t1mp> if you push A, B, C, and then pop C you go back to B.. so you need to pop twice for A
[12:36] <ahayzen> t1mp, so basically we have some logic which watches the onCurrentPageChanged and it adds extra pops in where needed...i just somehow broke it in my branch so was wondering if i could do it a better way be checking if the page was in the stack
[12:37] <t1mp> ahayzen: why not pop twice from C?
[12:37] <ahayzen> t1mp, just because lol ... so say you go Albums -> List of songs for Album -> Now Playing
[12:38] <t1mp> ahayzen: Page { id: C; head.backAction: Action { iconName: "back"; onTriggered: { pageStack.pop(); pageStack.pop; } }
[12:38] <ahayzen> t1mp, when you go back from now playing we *currently* want it to go back to the albums list not the list of songs
[12:38] <ahayzen> t1mp, ooo that may be a better hack :)
[12:38] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, right, if landscape is enabled?
[12:39] <akiva-thinkpad> bah nvm
[12:39] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/Ubuntu.Components.MainView/#automaticOrientation-prop
[12:39] <akiva-thinkpad> ah thanks
[12:39] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, hey do you think pressing and holding down the forward or backwards buttons should... do anything?
[12:39] <t1mp> ahayzen: also pop(2) may be added in future, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1257307
[12:39] <t1mp> ahayzen: comment on that bug if that is useful for you :)
[12:40] <ahayzen> t1mp, hmm i'm adding if (mainPageStack.depth > 1) { mainPageStack.pop(); } to the second pop anyway as u sometimes go straight from A->C anyway
[12:40] <t1mp> ahayzen: you can add your use case there.. although calling pop() twice would work
[12:40] <ahayzen> t1mp, but could possibly be useful
[12:41] <ahayzen> t1mp, should i still report a bug about the pagestack not going back to null?
[12:41] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, not sure suppose it could like 'fast forward' or something but you would have to check with design
[12:41] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, and it wouldn't be very discoverable
[12:41] <t1mp> ahayzen: yes, at least I remember to have a look at it, although it is not so important any more now
[12:41] <ahayzen> t1mp, will do :)
[12:43] <ahayzen> t1mp, thanks adding that action worked perfectly :D
[12:44] <t1mp> nice :)
[12:44] <ahayzen> popey, ping
[12:45] <popey> ahayzen: pong
[12:45] <ahayzen> popey, you would expect if you had gone Artist->Album->Song->Now playing that when you hit back to go back to Artist list right?
[12:45] <ahayzen> popey, thats what the current app does?
[12:46] <ahayzen> popey, and when you do Album->Song->Now Playing it jumps back to Album
[12:46] <popey> yes, but I'm prepared to be wrong ☻
[12:46]  * ahayzen thinks he may have answered his own question
[12:46] <ahayzen> popey, i was trying to replicate the current app behaviour and temporary forgot what it did aha
[12:47]  * ahayzen changes if (mainPageStack.depth > 1) to while (mainPageStack.depth > 1) .. job done :)
[12:47] <popey> heh
[12:47] <ahayzen> popey, sorry ignore me i'm just speaking out loud as usual :P
[12:48] <ahayzen> popey, were you able to check with jouni if he managed to get the clicks working?
[12:48] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, yah it wouldnt be very discoverable... wait what about this
[12:48] <akiva-thinkpad> lets say on click and hold, a dialogue comes up, showing you a list of the next songs in the queue
[12:48] <popey> ahayzen: I pinged, no reply.. lemme try again
[12:49] <ahayzen> popey, cool i've haven't seen the new designs appear yet that he said he was working on?
[12:49] <akiva-thinkpad> I think that would be great, because I am always cycling through albums to find the song I want.
[12:49] <popey> ok, probably busy today then
[12:49] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, well there are plans to eventually have a swipe action from the bottom of the 'full' now playing to show some of the queue
[12:50] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, and you have the toggle in the header to switch to the queue?
[12:50] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, note victor will likely be refactoring the queue when we get design for the songstab (as they'll be exactly the same component)
[12:54] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, yah I think you are right
[12:56] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, presuming this bug is invalid now https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1297177
[12:56] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, not yet it still wastes space :P
[12:56] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, look at all the whitespace on the right
[12:57] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, ah
[12:57] <akiva-thinkpad> :P
[12:58] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, maybe design should consider using CardView on larger screens for the artists view...but we haven't had tablet designs yet so idk..and that is not our focus
[12:58] <akiva-thinkpad> mihir, ping on calendar app; did you end up doing something for an empty page?
[12:58] <akiva-thinkpad> like instead of having a blank background, you put a label along with an icon?
[13:00] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, if your looking at the music-app bug about the empty page we are awaiting design for that as well ;)
[13:00] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, oh lol; didnt see that a bug was there
[13:00] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, bug 1372583
[13:01] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, omg it soo much better now i've made the flip to using the 'full' now playing page as default in this branch lp:~andrew-hayzen/music-app/remix-remove-legacy-toolbar
[13:02] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, the whole flow from the new CardView in albums to the new SongsPage and then the new now playing :D
[13:09] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, oh ?
[13:09] <akiva-thinkpad> :)
[13:09] <akiva-thinkpad> default is much butter :)
[13:09] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, yeah i found what was causing the header to disappear :)
[13:09] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, ghosts?
[13:10] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, i set this as the flickable of the page ... flickable: isListView ? queuelist : null
[13:10] <akiva-thinkpad> ah
[13:10] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, boom it worked :) it was basically the listview on the hidden portion getting it confused
[13:10] <akiva-thinkpad> nice work
[13:10] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, hopefully that'll land when victor rereviews later
[13:10] <akiva-thinkpad> mihir, event details on the new events page seems redundant
[13:26] <fginther> balloons, http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/sudoku-app-click/218/ was built with the generic click builder method (although it's still using pbuilder)
[13:26] <mihir> akiva-thinkpad: i didn't get that ,could you elaborate it?
[13:40] <ahayzen> jhodapp, oh your in here as well :P ... akiva-thinkpad jim said " I think that's basically the mp3 decoder outputting invalid data for a very short period of time"
[13:40] <jhodapp> yes :)
[13:42] <ahayzen> jhodapp, yeah i can get it on device as well when playing mp3
[13:42] <jhodapp> ahayzen, that's what I would expect
[13:43] <ahayzen> jhodapp, m4a seems ok
[13:43] <jhodapp> akiva-thinkpad, try asking in #gstreamer, I'd be curious what they'd say about that
[13:43] <jhodapp> ahayzen, yeah, different decoder plugin behavior
[13:44] <fginther> elopio, any ideas on the source of the qml test failures in this MP? https://code.launchpad.net/~akiva/ubuntu-clock-app/1363968-no-animation-secondshand-updates-every-second/+merge/234618
[13:45] <fginther> elopio, the tests pass on the utopic host, but not on the trusty host. Points to something in the host environment effecting the running of xvfb, but not sure where to start
[13:47] <fginther> nik90, I saw the MP you mentioned failing with qml errors. I don't have an immediate idea on what to start poking at, looking for advice from elopio ^
[13:47] <nik90> fginther: ack, I will follow the conversation
[13:55] <ahayzen> t1mp, ah damn the back button change broke the autopilot things... i guess i need to give it the correct objectName ?
[13:56] <akiva-thinkpad> mihir, how does "after x occurence" work?
[13:57] <akiva-thinkpad> all I see is a blank text input
[13:57] <akiva-thinkpad> I have no idea what to write there
[13:57] <akiva-thinkpad> do I have to put a number?
[14:05] <renatu> mihir, hi, could you test my branch again?
[14:14] <ahayzen> t1mp, ah ofc "backButton" :)
[14:16] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, did you say your branch was up?
[14:16] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, which branch in particular ?
[14:16]  * ahayzen has a lot of branches that could be 'up'
[14:17] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, default music page?
[14:17] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, the one that had the fix for the now playing header? yah...  lp:~andrew-hayzen/music-app/remix-remove-legacy-toolbar
[14:17] <nik90> DanChapman: ping
[14:17] <akiva-thinkpad> mihir, https://code.launchpad.net/~akiva/ubuntu-calendar-app/assortment-of-fixes-to-newevents/+merge/237429 - I proposed a fix here with a few small things
[14:20] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, ah that definitely needs to be merged with my branch
[14:20] <akiva-thinkpad> very nice
[14:21] <ahayzen> :)
[14:22] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, http://i.imgur.com/0gMZjah.png comparing the two
[14:22] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, jhodapp, i also notice popping noises when i aggressively change the volume interestingly it is worst on flacs, you can hear it with mp3...and again m4a seems fine
[14:22] <akiva-thinkpad> jhodapp, well the flacks I figured the easy way to fix this
[14:22] <akiva-thinkpad> was to have the volume faded out
[14:22] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, the only issue i see with your is that the blurred image on a smaller device only shows the top part of the image
[14:22] <akiva-thinkpad> not sure if that can be done.
[14:23] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, what?
[14:23] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, do you get pops when changing volume on the desktop as well? IIRC i used tooo
[14:23] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, i'll show you what it looks like on the emulator
[14:23] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, oh its the same on both...ah that explains the what the weird code is doing
[14:23] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, yeah ok so actual bug in the blurred background itself i think
[14:23] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, no pops on volume change.
[14:24] <akiva-thinkpad> oh I see what you mean
[14:24] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, i used to be able to get it on desktop alot
[14:24] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, the blurred should be centered
[14:24] <akiva-thinkpad> and it does scale down ... sec
[14:24]  * akiva-thinkpad checks emulator
[14:25] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, the pops seem a bit random though.... and yeah the blurred background should be scaled and centred
[14:25]  * ahayzen checks design
[14:25] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, its difficult to tell from design but it is definitely centred...maybe not scaled
[14:27] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, http://i.imgur.com/B9tydvZ.png
[14:27] <akiva-thinkpad> looks scaled properly to me.
[14:28] <akiva-thinkpad> hmmm
[14:28] <akiva-thinkpad> maybe its a bit cut off...
[14:28] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, try running it outside of the emulator at different sizes as well
[14:28] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, the designs appear to show that it gets cut off... i think... i've added it to my list to ask jouni when he is around
[14:30] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, mmmm the sides are anchored fine.
[14:30] <akiva-thinkpad> and its centered
[14:31] <akiva-thinkpad> why would you want only the top of the album showing?
[14:31] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, there is a scale property
[14:31] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/QtQuick.Image/#fillMode-prop
[14:31] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, but do you want it to be stretched?
[14:32] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, idk i'm gonna ask design the next time i speak to them
[14:32] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, I don't think there is an issue here to be honest, at least one I don't understand...
[14:33] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, it is scaled properly, because the sides are anchored.
[14:33] <akiva-thinkpad> at least in my branch they are.
[14:33]  * akiva-thinkpad checks
[14:33] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, i think just centring it is fine ... and scaling is up for debate :)
[14:33] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, as i said i'll ask design for confirmation
[14:34] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, oh, so you don't want the background and image to scale?
[14:34] <akiva-thinkpad> that will leave black space :O
[14:34] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, i don't know yet lol i'll find out and let you know :)
[14:35] <akiva-thinkpad> okay sounds like a plan
[14:35] <balloons> fginther, nice. So let's see
[14:36] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, I'd like to offer help to make sure the rest of the music app gets done in time, but it appears you and vic have all the projects down. should I leave you guys with my contribution, or is there still a frantic push to finish?
[14:36] <akiva-thinkpad> mihir
[14:36] <akiva-thinkpad> errm
[14:36] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, i think we are ok for now...basically we are awaiting the next round of designs for a few pages which we were hoping for either today/tomorrow
[14:36] <akiva-thinkpad> ignore that mihir  :P
[14:37] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, but test both trunk and remix as much as possible for any bugs would be much appreciated :)
[14:37] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, once we get the next designs we should then be able to make tasks from them
[14:37] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, the only thing I'd like to do is see about the blip sound when seeking
[14:37] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, do you know if there are sound volume levels available in remix?
[14:38] <akiva-thinkpad> like do we have fade in / fade out implemented?
[14:40] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, idk it may be best to talk to some gstreamer people as jhodapp suggested
[14:40] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, as if there is a fix it could then be fixed for any app on the platform rather than just us
[14:44] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, okay i'll check it out tomorrow
[14:45] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, its 744 am, and its almost my bed time
[14:45] <akiva-thinkpad> :P
[14:45] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, thanks for your help :)
[14:49] <ahayzen> t1mp, hmm  can i not use the sdk helper if i specify my own head.backAction? i get "Back button in header not visible" and i set the objectName to "backButton" as well
[15:12] <t1mp> ahayzen: are you talking about the autopilot tests?
[15:12] <t1mp> ahayzen: it should work. If you get that error it is a bug
[15:12] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, t1mp ubuntu onair going on
[15:12] <akiva-thinkpad> mihir,  :)
[15:13] <ahayzen> t1mp, yep after putting the custom back button i'm getting this http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-utopic-python3/754/testReport/junit/music_app.tests.test_music/TestMainWindow/test_add_song_to_queue_from_albums_page_with_mouse_/
[15:14] <ahayzen> t1mp, i guess as a work around for now i can write my own helper to go back?
[15:15] <t1mp> ahayzen: ohh.. perhaps it is not a bug
[15:16] <t1mp> ahayzen: go_back is for the default back button. if you override that, your button may do anything (although in your case it happens to go back)
[15:16] <nik90> t1mp, ahayzen: the sdk helper does not have a button to my knowledge since we use a custom back button in the clock app.
[15:16] <nik90> ahayzen: pls check clock ap tests emulators.py file for more details.
[15:16] <t1mp> ahayzen: you need to use header.click_custom_back_button()
[15:16]  * nik90 watches ubuntuonair video
[15:16] <ahayzen> t1mp, there is a header.click_custom_back_button() ?
[15:17] <ahayzen> t1mp, oh from .get_header()
[15:17] <t1mp> ahayzen: if you had mainView.go_back(), you now need mainView.get_header().click_custom_back_button()
[15:17] <t1mp> ahayzen: yes. what g_back() does is get_header().click_back_button()
[15:18] <t1mp> and it looks for the default back button, but you have a custom one now
[15:18] <ahayzen> t1mp, hmmm ok now i need to figure out how to get that easily into the tests lol
[15:18] <ahayzen> t1mp, click_custom_back_button() doesn't fall back to the normal one? so i can't just override right?
[15:19] <t1mp> ahayzen: if you don't have a custom back button, there will be an exception
[15:19] <ahayzen> strange how we have completely change the UI with no autopilot changes... then i attempt to strip out a few bits and there are like 100-200 lines of ap changes aha :/
[15:20] <balloons> ahayzen, :-)
[15:20] <ahayzen> t1mp, ok i'll try and figure out the best way
[15:20] <ahayzen> balloons, this is the same branch i had to reload the now playing object in lol
[15:28] <ahayzen> t1mp, yey it passed locally :) .. i added a go_back() method to the page's helper seemed the most sane way of doing it...thanks for your help (assuming jenkins is nice) :)
[15:31] <t1mp> ahayzen: okay, cool. just don't confuse the two go_back() methods in future :)
[15:34] <ahayzen> t1mp, nope now_playing_page.go_back() vs self.app.main_view.go_back() i think is different enough but i'm sure victor will tell me to change it if he feels it isn't ;)
[15:35] <ahayzen> t1mp, suppose i could change to go_custom_back()
[15:35] <ahayzen> or go_back_custom() or whtever
[15:35] <t1mp> ahayzen: yeah, looks fine. It is the go_back() of that specific page I guess it is clear
[15:35] <ahayzen> t1mp, i'll leave it and see what he thinks it makes sense as you read it as it has the context
[15:43] <mihir> hey akiva-thinkpad
[15:51] <dpm> popey, ahayzen, do you know if there is an existing bug for the indicator not showing the cover art of the current song and for the next and previous buttons not working there? I think I read one about the MPRIS interface not being implemented, but I can't find it anymore
[15:52] <dpm> not sure if it was a bug in the app or somewhere else, either
[15:52] <ahayzen> dpm, erm i think so
[15:52] <popey> i think i did see one
[15:52] <dpm> lol, same as me
[15:52] <ahayzen> dpm, or at least i talked to jhodapp about it and it is on their list
[15:52] <jhodapp> dpm, yes there's a bug filed about that
[15:52] <popey> bug 1378044
[15:52] <popey> boom
[15:52] <dpm> \o/
[15:52] <dpm> thanks guys
[15:53] <jhodapp> dpm: there's also the equivalent bugs for media-hub
[15:53] <elopio> fginther: I haven't seen that error before.
[15:53] <dpm> jhodapp, what do you mean by equivalent?
[15:54] <jhodapp> dpm, documenting the parts that are caused by media-hub
[15:54] <ahayzen> are we expecting the next/previous to be working by rtm btw?
[15:54] <dpm> jhodapp, not sure I follow. What does that have to do with the cover art bug in the indicator?
[15:55] <jhodapp> dpm, media-hub would be the source of that cover art
[15:55] <jhodapp> ahayzen, probably not
[15:55] <ahayzen> jhodapp, so will they be hidden or something?
[15:55] <dpm> jhodapp, oh, so that bug needs a media-hub task? Or are you saying that there is already a bug for that in media-hub?
[15:55] <jhodapp> ahayzen, not sure yet
[15:56] <jhodapp> dpm, there already is a bug for that (and others related to it) filed in media-hub
[15:59] <dpm> jhodapp, is that bug 1373312?
[15:59] <jhodapp> dpm, yes
[15:59]  * dpm adds rtm14 tag
[16:00] <jhodapp> dpm, take a look at this list, about 75% of the way down: https://bugs.launchpad.net/media-hub
[16:00] <dpm> jhodapp, thanks. What about the next/previous controls, is this also related to media-hub?
[16:00] <jhodapp> dpm, yes
[16:17] <dpm> mzanetti, where's the tagger code? Do you host it in LP?
[16:17] <mzanetti> dpm: https://launchpad.net/tagger
[16:19] <dpm> mzanetti, is there no code for the backend on http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/tagger/trunk/files ? I'm guessing the app is the only thing that needs to be i18n'd?
[16:22] <mzanetti> dpm: no... this doesn't work as a plugin
[16:22] <mzanetti> dpm: there's a main.cpp and some code inside the app folder
[16:23] <mzanetti> dpm: There don't seem to be any strings in the .cpp code though
[16:24] <dpm> ok, cool
[16:26] <balloons> akiva-thinkpad, sorry looks like I didn't finish pushing my changes for https://code.launchpad.net/~akiva/sudoku-app/upgrade-ubuntu-components-1.1/+merge/232987. I've done so now
[16:26] <balloons> re-merging one more time should have you all sorted
[16:26] <popey> thanks balloons
[16:27]  * balloons wants to get rid of any old merges
[16:29] <balloons> weird this failed; https://code.launchpad.net/~akiva/ubuntu-clock-app/1363968-no-animation-secondshand-updates-every-second/+merge/234618
[16:29] <balloons> nik90, you noticed the qml tests failing yes? ^^
[16:30] <nik90> balloons: yup I checked with fginther about it. and he referred to elopio since it is not a clock app issue but something related to xvfb
[16:31] <nik90> 3:44 PM <fginther> elopio, any ideas on the source of the qml test failures in this MP? https://code.launchpad.net/~akiva/ubuntu-clock-app/1363968-no-animation-secondshand-updates-every-second/+merge/234618
[16:31] <nik90> 3:45 PM <fginther> elopio, the tests pass on the utopic host, but not on the trusty host. Points to something in the host environment effecting the running of xvfb, but not sure where to start
[16:31] <nik90> 3:47 PM <fginther> nik90, I saw the MP you mentioned failing with qml errors. I don't have an immediate idea on what to start poking at, looking for advice from elopio ^
[16:31] <nik90> 3:47 PM <nik90> fginther: ack, I will follow the conversation
[16:31] <balloons> we are running on a trusty host? why?
[16:32] <nik90> fginther: ^^
[16:32] <fginther> balloons, it's a released OS. the build is done under a utopic chroot
[16:33] <balloons> ahh, gotcha
[16:33] <nik90> fginther: is this something new that could be causing the failures?
[16:33] <balloons> I'll have a look in a bit
[16:35] <fginther> balloons, nik90, I think it's possible libllvm is broken. This job passed about 10 days ago with libllvm3.4_1%3a3.4.2-3ubuntu2, and failed on the next build with libllvm3.5_1%3a3.5-1ubuntu1
[16:36] <nik90> hmm true
[16:36] <fginther> balloons, nik90, but that doesn't explain while it is building on the utopic host (which is still under a pbuilder)
[17:04] <dpm> popey, have you had the chance to file that bug about music app and the scope being consistent with the artist thumbnail?
[17:05] <popey> dpm: bug 1378278
[17:05] <dpm> perfect, thanks popey
[17:07] <popey> np
[18:04] <vitimiti> Hi
[18:34] <kenvandine> ahayzen, mhall119: i have a branch proposed to fix that ContentItem.move bug
[18:34] <ahayzen> kenvandine, awesome thanks :)
[18:34] <kenvandine> https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/content-hub/lp1373086/+merge/237459
[18:34] <kenvandine> you can try the debs
[18:34] <kenvandine> worked for my hub-importer example
[18:35] <ahayzen> kenvandine, i'll likely get round to it tomorrow if thats ok, so i download the debs from the output.zip correct?
[18:35] <kenvandine> yup
[18:35] <kenvandine> if the move fails, it does a copy
[18:35] <ahayzen> kenvandine, cool thanks for doing this :)
[18:35] <kenvandine> np
[18:35] <kenvandine> sorry i didn't get to it sooner
[18:36] <ahayzen> no worries
[18:36] <kenvandine> my list of criticals never really gets shorter...
[18:36] <ahayzen> hah
[18:47] <dpm> mzanetti, https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/tagger/i18n/+merge/237473
[18:56] <mihir> renatu: i'll test pacakge before i go to bed and update you with my comments.
[19:40] <davmor2> nik90: if you set an alarm and you remove the usb cable does the alarm go off for you if the phone is suspended?
[19:43] <davmor2> nik90: hmm so it does go off just 2 minutes late :(
[19:53] <nik90> davmor2: hmm, can you consistently reproduce it?
[20:03] <davmor2> nik90: I'll have a proper look tomorrow really late now I needz sleepz
[20:03] <nik90> davmor2: sure, gnite
[20:47]  * ahoneybun pushed his app to the store
[20:53] <mihir> renatu: it works like charm :D
[20:53] <mihir> renatu: https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/qtorganizer5-eds/fix-1311165/+merge/237142? i didn't approve this i don't know why Jenkins is failing though
[20:53] <renatu> mihir, nice, now we need to make sure that alarms still working
[20:54] <renatu> mihir, check if the indicator is using the correct time too
[20:57] <mihir> renatu: it shows on correct time , i created an event for 2:30 AM and it shows correctly. http://imgur.com/NvgA4Y1
[21:00] <renatu> mihir, events created on google are correct synced? :D
[21:00] <renatu> mihir, editing events created on google get updated with the correct time?
[21:01] <mihir> renatu: i created an event from app, it got synced properly i modified event on GC and it again synced correctly.
[21:01] <renatu> mihir, nice thanks
[21:02] <mihir> renatu: thank a lot for this :) it'll make calendar app for useful.
[21:08] <fginther> nik90, balloons, I still cannot find why ubuntu-clock-app is running into these qlm test failures
[21:08] <fginther> nik90, balloons, as this is a blocker, we can disable the failing build and rely on the build that occurs as part of the autopilot test job
[21:29] <nik90> fginther: I guess, I will ensure that the next 5-6 MPs that are waiting to go in will have their qml tests properly run before top-approving in any case.
[21:30]  * ahoneybun wonders what MP's are
[21:30] <nik90> fginther: did you try downgrading llvm to a lower version?
[21:30] <nik90> ahoneybun: Merge Proposal
[21:30] <ahoneybun> nice
[21:31] <ahoneybun> nik90, UbuntuBeginner is on the store!
[21:31] <nik90> ahoneybun: oh cool, will check it out'
[21:31] <ahoneybun> thanks
[21:31] <ahoneybun> big shout out to DanChapman for his code
[21:31] <fginther> nik90, the qml tests do get run and must pass during the autopilot build and test job (see http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-utopic-python3/746/consoleText )
[21:33] <nik90> fginther: oh yeah...
[21:33] <nik90> fginther: so I am a bit confused..why are we then running it twice?
[21:34] <mihir> nik90: when you get time could you test renatu's patch for timezone?
[21:34] <fginther> nik90, historical reasons. the build jobs were around from the beginning, then the autopilot jobs were added and we just never removed the original
[21:35] <nik90> mihir: I can do it tomorrow early morning
[21:35] <mihir> nik90: thanks.
[21:35] <nik90> fginther: ok, so out of 2 blockers, 1 can be solved by disabling the failing build.
[21:36] <fginther> nik90, right
[22:20] <ahoneybun> nik90, QML Row: Cannot specify left, right, horizontalCenter, fill or centerIn anchors for items inside Row. Row will not function.
[22:21] <ahoneybun> nik90, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8517532/
[22:21] <ahoneybun> mhall119, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8517532/
[22:21] <ahoneybun> mhall119,  QML Row: Cannot specify left, right, horizontalCenter, fill or centerIn anchors for items inside Row. Row will not function.
[22:28] <mhall119> ahoneybun: quite right, Row is a layout-manager, so you can't specify positioning of it's children
[22:28] <ahoneybun> so what should I do?
[22:28] <mhall119> what are you trying to do?
[22:29] <ahoneybun> center 2 buttons for different sizes
[22:29] <ahoneybun> talk to popey in pm about it
[22:30] <mhall119> ahoneybun: within the column?
[22:30] <ahoneybun> the buttons are not fitting right
[22:30] <ahoneybun> it is a row within a column
[22:44] <fginther> nik90, I turned off the ubuntu-clock-app-utopic-amd64-* jobs until the issues can be resolved. Please let me know if you have any MPs that need rebuilding.
[22:44] <fginther> nik90, this is only to get past the complete failure of the qml tests
[22:47] <ahoneybun> popey, I'm going to update my branch in a min with some changes thanks to mhall119
[22:47] <popey> awesome
[22:48] <ahoneybun> popey, I need help on making a branch other then trunk for my app though
[22:48] <ahoneybun> I want to push my final code into the 1.0 branch
[22:49] <ahoneybun> and devel into the trunk as normal
[22:51] <ahoneybun> popey, lp:ubuntu-beginner
[22:53] <ahoneybun> a series sorry
[23:11] <ahoneybun> does it work popey ?
[23:16] <popey> not tried.. lemme see
[23:18] <ahoneybun> ok need to know to push it to 1.0 release :)
[23:19] <popey> ahoneybun: http://imgur.com/UAyAeO0
[23:19] <popey> you can't read the news sites inside those buttons very well
[23:19] <ahoneybun> looks like half success
[23:19] <popey> and UWNL should be UWN
[23:19] <popey> IMO
[23:19] <ahoneybun> yea true
[23:19] <ahoneybun> I could put them on a new row
[23:20] <ahoneybun> most likely will had a new site or two anyway
[23:20] <popey> right, bed time
[23:20] <popey> nn
[23:25] <ahoneybun> darn popey
[23:25] <ahoneybun> lol
[23:59] <snizzo> hey, any pioneer here?


[15:45] <tachyons> how to change pkg-config path in a debian package?
[15:46] <tachyons> ie where to add export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/lib/pkgconfig


[04:18] <flyback> sudo mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md0 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sda /dev/sdb
[04:19]  * flyback facepalms at how simple it was
[04:25] <lynorian> flyback glad you got raid working I hate tearing your hair out when there is a really simple answer
[04:25] <flyback> well I never did a software raid the last one I fixed was like 20 yrs ago so ...
[08:49] <JP____> what is lzlib?
[08:50] <JohnDoe_71Rus> for lz compression
[08:52] <JohnDoe_71Rus> http://www.nongnu.org/lzip/lzlib.html
[18:37] <digital_ghost> how do i turn on syntax highlighting on leafpad?
[18:42] <wxl> digital_ghost: you don't. it doesn't have it.
[18:50] <digital_ghost> wxl: is there a way to add it?
[18:51] <digital_ghost> plugins or something?
[18:51] <wxl> digital_ghost: sure. you just need to send a patch that adds that feature to the upstream developers. :)


[00:25] <stochastix> what is the best tool for managing packages right now? aptitute, apt-get ?
[00:52] <tarpman> apt-get is more actively maintained and doesn't have aptitude's tendency to propose outlandish depsolver solutions.
[00:52] <tarpman> aptitude still has more powerful features for searching and querying, though
[00:52] <tarpman> personally I use aptitude for deciding what to do and apt-get for doing it
[00:52] <tarpman> stochastix:
[00:53] <RoyK> (or apt)
[00:55] <maxb> That said, aptitude's interactive curses mode can be a very comfortable way to do things that can be painful with a pure command line
[00:56]  * RoyK prefers the commandline
[00:56] <maxb> It depends on the task at hand
[01:01] <RoyK> maxb: no, it doesn't :P
[02:06] <stochastix> tarpman: thanks, that helps a bit.  I did notice aptitude ENJOYS removing deps when uninstalling something.
[02:06] <stochastix> Had to reinstall a few things. :)
[02:11] <tarpman> stochastix: if you're talking about auto-remove, that's an option in both, aptitude just has it enabled by default. you can turn it off
[02:12] <stochastix> yea, ok. It is a nice way to not have stuff laying around.
[03:00] <nodist> Hello, I am trying to add a int.d script it works when you use the service s start but not on boot
[03:00] <nodist> I also have it set to defaults
[03:01] <nodist> no errors in the boot.log
[03:32] <portalBlock> Hi, I have an Ubuntu server instance running on Proxmox VE and I resized the disk (+200GB) from the panel there but in Ubuntu the disk still shows as 32GB. Can I expand it without data loss and if so, how?
[04:29] <stochastix> I got rid of php5-fpm and just installed php5.  is there a service that i am supposed to run?
[04:29] <stochastix> the only service i see in there is still php5-fpm ?
[05:03] <tarpman> stochastix: sounds like you removed php5-fpm but didn't purge it, so the conffiles are still there
[05:04] <tarpman> stochastix: php5 is AFAIK just a metapackage, it doesn't include any service directly. if you didn't specify an implementation, it probably dragged in libapache2-mod-php5, so apache
[05:04] <stochastix> I see,
[05:04] <stochastix> purge with apt-get ?
[05:05] <tarpman> right
[05:05] <tarpman> you can do "dpkg-query -l | grep ^rc" to see packages you have removed but still have conffiles around for
[05:11] <stochastix> tarpman:  thanks
[09:25] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:50] <zamba> i'm looking for a tool that can monitor a remote host and alert me (by using an external script) if the node is down
[10:02] <lordievader> zamba: Check out Zabbix.
[10:07] <zamba> zabbix sounds like overkill for just monitoring one host
[10:08] <lordievader> Perhaps. But most monitoring tools are made for many more hosts than one.
[10:15] <zamba> i was thinking about just running collectd
[10:25] <Chrncle> where do i find Tasksel > Basic ubuntu server install what packages contain in that option ?
[11:05] <Chrncle> hmm i cant get my ssh open to my public ip address
[11:12] <Chrncle> nevermind, forget to press add in my router table
[12:40] <arcsky> hey guys there has been an issue today with my pico/nano editor.
[12:40] <arcsky> Unable to create directory /home/arcsky/.nano: Permission denied
[12:40] <arcsky> It is required for saving/loading search history or cursor positions.
[12:42] <hateball> arcsky: make sure you're the owner of the file and not root
[12:44] <arcsky> hateball: i try just with pico test123
[12:44] <arcsky> i did reboot it and it works now
[12:47] <lordievader> arcsky: I'd check the permissions of your home dir.
[13:08] <zolder> Can i change my <IP_ADDRESS> to like a dns name, Router or whatever?
[13:10] <lordievader> zolder: Yes. Do you want that network wide or just for the localhost?
[14:43] <zul> jamespage: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13299217/
[14:44] <jamespage> zul, not sure you need the < >
[14:46] <zul> jamespage: fixed
[14:47] <zul> jamespage: going to upload this
[14:47] <jamespage> zul, pls test it first
[14:59] <zul> jamespage: tested sucessfully, uploaded
[15:00] <jamespage> zul, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nova/+bug/1516652
[15:00] <jamespage> fun fun fun!
[15:00] <zul> jamespage: damn it
[15:01] <zul> jamespage: gimme a sec :)
[15:01] <jamespage> zul, I'm not asking you todo that one :-)
[15:01] <zul> jamespage: i know how to fix it though :)
[15:02] <jamespage> zul, so do it :-)
[15:02] <zul> jamespage: fine :)
[15:07] <jamespage> zul, how does that look:
[15:07] <jamespage> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245811/
[15:09] <zul> jamespage: thats what I would have done
[15:26] <jamespage> zul, hmm something else is still blocking the scheduling of the instance correctly
[15:28] <MelRay> clear
[15:28] <zul> jamespage: anything in the logs?
[15:28] <jamespage> zul, yes
[15:28] <jamespage> 2015-11-16 15:28:21.389 5127 DEBUG nova.scheduler.filters.image_props_filter [req-f57e15c7-d8ce-478f-8da2-7f5707c7edc9 3e44cc43a4014d1f95dfc1525e798ca8 ea01071b589c47cba451e066d9073bb4 - - -] Instance contains properties {u'hypervisor_type': u'lxd', u'architecture': u'x86_64'} that are not provided by the compute node supported_instances [[u'i686', u'lxc', u'exe'], [u'x86_64', u'lxc', u'exe']] or hypervisor version 11 do not match _in
[15:28] <jamespage> stance_supported /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/nova/scheduler/filters/image_props_filter.py:95
[15:29] <zul> jamespage: host.py in nclxd needs to be updated as well
[15:30] <jamespage> zul, the existing 'lxc' valid value will work ok for now, but yes it does need to be updated.
[15:30] <zul>  [[u'i686', u'lxd', u'exe'], [u'x86_64', u'lxd', u'exe']]
[15:32] <zul> jamespage: when your nova patch gets merged ill update it
[15:46] <Yossarianuk> hi - where can I find out how long the default kernel is support for in the LTS versions ?
[15:47] <Yossarianuk> i.e originally 14.04 shipped with kernel 3.13 - when you install the latest .iso (14.04.3) you get v 3.19 - where can I find out info about kernel support ?
[15:48] <jamespage> zul, huh - but I have to set:
[15:48] <jamespage> nova flavor-key m1.tiny set capabilities:hypervisor_type=lxd
[15:48] <jamespage> not
[15:48] <jamespage> nova flavor-key m1.tiny set capabilities:hypervisor_type=lxx
[15:48] <jamespage> nova flavor-key m1.tiny set capabilities:hypervisor_type=lxc rather
[15:48] <jamespage> love consistency
[15:49] <jamespage> Yossarianuk, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[15:49] <Yossarianuk> jamespage: thank you
[15:49] <jamespage> np
[15:51] <zul> jamespage: lol
[15:51] <zul> jamespage: i cant fix that :)
[15:52] <jamespage> zul, that feels broken
[15:52] <jamespage> zul, I think the extra specs should be matching into the advertised capabilities of the hypervisor right?
[15:52] <zul> jamespage: yes
[15:52] <jamespage> like the image properties filter does
[15:55] <MelRay> Quick question I'm learning how to configure virtual hosts. Can I add additional ServerAlias directives on the same line seperated by a space or do I need to create an individual entry for each alias?
[15:55] <MelRay> for like www, mail, ftp, etc.
[17:55] <omps> ls -l
[17:55] <omps> oops
[17:57] <uaa> Hi, I've usb 3.0 4TB external harddisk. when I connect it to an Ubuntu server I get this in logs and it's not recognized afterward http://paste.ubuntu.com/13300481/
[17:58] <teward> I/O error sounds like hardware failure, does this device work on other machines?
[17:59] <uaa> It was working well on USB 2 but after I enabled USB 3 in the server the problem started
[17:59] <uaa> Thank you for responding quickly
[18:00] <sarnold> do any other usb devices work in that port?
[18:00] <sarnold> is there sufficient power for the device?
[18:01] <uaa> I used the same port last week with other device but USB3 was not enabled
[18:02] <uaa> The only difference now that I got usb 3.0 extension cable and enabled usb 3.0 from motherboard
[18:02] <hallyn> arges: going to have time to merge libvirt this week?
[18:02] <uaa> the server is remote but I would like to know if can do something before I have to go there to figure it out
[18:03] <uaa> and to try other things on that port
[18:04] <teward> uaa: only thing you can do is physically go there and poke at it.
[18:04] <teward> see if it works on other ports, and test if something else is on that port and works or not
[18:05] <sarnold> I guess you could try booting into a newer kernel, e.g. one of the HWE kernels, to see if it might have been a bug that's been addressed or a device needing some additional driver support
[18:05] <sarnold> but switching to one of the hwe kernels means you'll have to deal with the kernels again when the HWE kernels hit EOL before the rest of the system.
[18:06] <uaa> sarnold, thanks for your suggestion but I do not think that playing with kernel would be an option on that server.
[18:07] <teward> that leaves physically going to the system :p
[18:07] <uaa> teward, I'll try that when I can
[18:07] <omps> uaa: it looks like the problem is with xhci_hcd kernel driver for usb3.0
[18:08] <uaa> but I wonder why It was mentioned as sdb in the log then disappeared. I can not see in /dev/sdx or using fdisk or any disk tool that I used
[18:09] <arges> hallyn: its on my list
[18:09] <omps> uaa: i found this article on net hope this can help you
[18:09] <omps> http://www.pcl-developers.org/xhci-hcd-I-hate-you-USB-3-0-and-Primesense-Asus-Xtion-td5707949.html
[18:09] <uaa> omps, I'll check if xhci driver is lastest version
[18:11] <uaa> thank you for helping
[19:35] <arcsky> how can i list my ntp servers my ubuntu use ?
[19:36] <SCHAAP137> arcsky: check in /etc/ntp.conf
[19:57] <tarpman> arcsky: also, ntpq -p
[21:30] <rco> Is there a most popular option for a local DNS cache on ubuntu 14.04?
[21:33] <dasjoe> The default cache would be dnsmasq
[21:33] <rco> Is it part of the distribution?
[21:34] <dasjoe> It's installed by default, iirc at least on desktop systems. Unsure about server
[21:35] <rco> Yeah, that's what it looks like.
[21:35] <dasjoe> rco: see http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=dnsmasq&searchon=names&suite=trusty&section=all and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Dnsmasq
[21:35] <rco> Thanks.


[00:04] <czajkowski> my new boss teaches kids how to program and minecraft stuff
[00:04] <czajkowski> he and his son have written a book
[00:04] <daftykins> o0
[00:04] <czajkowski> I feel like I need to go back and learn how to write code :)
[00:04] <czajkowski> he teaches kids from 7:30 -8:15am each morning to kids
[00:04] <czajkowski> daftykins: new boss is Arun Gupta
[00:04] <daftykins> that seems far less time than needed to get anything even started
[00:04] <daftykins> i don't know who that is
[00:05] <czajkowski> https://twitter.com/arungupta
[00:07] <popey> https://twitter.com/popey/status/647561191854899200
[00:07] <popey> \o/ cats
[00:08] <popey> diddledan: I used to teach kids to code, you can get them up and running pretty quick
[00:08] <popey> After School code clu
[00:08] <popey> *club
[00:08] <popey> Time runs out quick though, the fast ones end up running out of stuff to do early on while the slower ones need help
[00:08] <popey> Tis good getting the fast ones to help the slow ones
[00:10] <daftykins> i'd think the first 30 mins is teething problems :>
[00:10] <daftykins> i've taught, hardware lessons too - those were painful
[00:10] <daftykins> 12-18 at once :(
[01:01] <zmoylan-pi> well depends on what size stick you use... >:-)
[01:08] <daftykins> :D
[01:54] <zmoylan-pi> you'd never have a cattle prod last the day for a class size of 12-18 :-P
[01:54] <daftykins> too true
[01:54] <daftykins> unless it were powered off the mains, one benefit of a fixed room to teach in
[02:11] <zmoylan-pi> yeah but stretching a power lead the length of a class. health and safety would be all over that :-)
[02:11] <daftykins> :D
[02:11]  * daftykins installs it at the door
[02:11] <daftykins> *tzzzt* welcome x n
[02:12] <daftykins> we never got shauno back after the fruity tech ribbing :(
[02:12] <zmoylan-pi> the rest of the school watching the flickering lights...
[02:13] <zmoylan-pi> he must have been stuck with a sticky problem, we've all had days like that, hope he comes back
[02:13] <diddledan> I'm not going to say anything about ribbed tech
[02:13] <daftykins> diddledan may know of his whereabouts
[02:13] <zmoylan-pi> fishing for condoms in canal again? :-)
[02:13] <daftykins> lol
[02:14] <daftykins> such classy talk we have, here in late night club
[02:14]  * daftykins fetches another Guinness
[02:14] <diddledan> tis 'cos popey doesn't chastise me
[02:15] <diddledan> I've got a nice new simple logo
[02:15] <diddledan> \o/
[02:15] <zmoylan-pi> it's a coffee ring on a printout? :-)
[02:16] <daftykins> bit of tractor feed era paper
[02:16] <diddledan> lol
[02:16] <diddledan> https://www.behance.net/wip/1385905/2393229
[02:17] <diddledan> much less embiggened and complex when compared to my old one: https://www.behance.net/wip/359537/671533
[02:17] <diddledan> I might use the old one as a mast-head tho
[02:51] <daftykins> i think my cat is high
[02:52] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/t6ayu4ssdjnum9z/IMG_20150926_035008.jpg?dl=0
[05:30] <mapppppp> Hi alk
[08:51] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:29] <m6lpi> Morning
[09:38] <popey> Morning
[09:38] <zmoylan-pi> i spi with my little pi another pi? :-)
[14:12] <dogmatic69_> anyone know how I can add wifi to a switch
[14:13] <dogmatic69_> my router + wifi is in the lounge, pc in garage via eth. phone is on 3G because no wifi
[14:13] <dogmatic69_> I have a range extender but it tries to connect to the existing wifi which is out of range, need something that can just plug into the switch
[14:24] <popey> dogmatic69_: i fixed this by having a second access point at the other end of the house, connnected to the first via devolo ethernet over power adapters
[14:24] <popey> works perfectly
[14:24] <popey> whole house is covered by two APs, one in my office which is near me, so yay, good speed, and one in the centre of the house for everyone else
[14:24] <dogmatic69_> well I have gigabit eth here, just no wifi
[14:25] <dogmatic69_> mainly looking for AP that is eth->wifi and not just a wifi repeater
[14:26] <popey> yeah, i have gbe in my office
[14:26] <popey> but not all devices have ethernet ports
[14:26]  * popey looks at 10 devices on his desk which don't
[14:26] <dogmatic69_> the one I bought has eth, but its out :/
[14:27] <dogmatic69_> the AP that is ^
[14:27] <diddledan> dogmatic69_, are you sure you can't switch the mode on your repeater to be a bridge?
[14:27] <diddledan> bridge/ap
[14:28] <dogmatic69_> I am looking, its a WN3000RP
[14:28] <popey> flash something else on it?
[14:29] <dogmatic69_> looking at that also
[14:29] <popey> Both my WNDR3700's have been flashed, one with ddwrt and the other with openwrt
[14:29] <diddledan> dang, the faq on netgear.com has the bad news as the first item: http://kb.netgear.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/19070/~/wn3000rp-faqs
[14:29] <popey> the openwrt one is a bridge
[14:29] <diddledan> specifically the stock firmware won't do it
[14:29] <dogmatic69_> aw, "No. Your extender is designed to work as an AP-client bridge, not an access point." on the site...
[14:31] <dogmatic69_> diddledan: ta, spotted that just at the same time... checking for new firmware now
[17:03] <Tammyton> Hey, is anyone around?
[17:05] <penguin42> imagine we were
[17:05] <Tammyton> my imagination isn't that great
[17:06] <Tammyton> jk.  I'm just about to install ubuntu. Are there any good getting started guides available? I've never used linux before.
[17:06] <penguin42> hmm, I've not done that for a long long time, not sure what the current best things are
[17:07] <Tammyton> oh okay
[17:07] <Tammyton> someone's just directed me to the help page. thanks anyway
[17:08] <penguin42> Tammyton: One thing, try and mess with stuff - there's lots of stuff what ever you're interested
[17:09] <Tammyton> Will do :) I'll just be using a VM so I don't have to worry about breaking stuff
[17:09] <penguin42> oh you probably wont
[17:11] <Tammyton> Do you think 20GB will be enough to install the OS, and have a mess around with it?
[17:11] <penguin42> oh yes
[17:12] <Tammyton> oh great, thanks
[17:36] <penguin42> WH Smiths seems to be getting desperate on ice cream sales; 75% off in Manc, last magnum of the year for 47p
[18:00] <Tammyton> wow lol
[18:00] <Tammyton> Probably trying to sell them all before the winter
[18:03] <penguin42> nod
[18:07] <DJones> Or close to sell by date
[18:35] <penguin42> DJones: This was the whole unit with a mix of different icecreams, so I suspect they want to move it out of the way
[19:32]  * brobostigon just had to explain to his gf, where the name dalek comes from, and that it is just a simple anagram.
[19:36]  * penguin42 admits he doesn't know
[19:37] <brobostigon> davros who created the daleksbeing a kaled?
[19:37] <brobostigon> davros who created the daleks being a kaled?
[19:39] <penguin42> see I haven't really watched Dr. Who since the Tom Baker days
[19:42] <brobostigon> i believe the fact was known way back when william hartnell was the doctor.
[19:52] <penguin42> well it was more of an indication of how long I'd been not paying attention to it
[19:53] <brobostigon> i see.
[21:43] <Tammyton> reaaaally late reply, but I haven't really watched it since Matt smith's first season
[22:21] <ali1234> my mum bought a pack of three usb flash drives
[22:21] <daftykins> mmhmm?
[22:21] <ali1234> they are all identical of course
[22:22] <ali1234> but in windows, one of them shows as a removable drive, the other two show as local fixed drives
[22:22] <ali1234> why?
[22:22] <daftykins> well, there is that option for having drives optimised for quick removal or not, i wonder if that's related
[22:23] <ali1234> i checked that, setting is identical on all three
[22:23] <penguin42> hmm weird
[22:24] <ali1234> the software she uses, brother PE design, uses flash drives to transfer patterns to her sewing machine
[22:25] <daftykins> oh right
[22:25] <daftykins> so one's working and two aren't?
[22:25] <ali1234> right
[22:25] <ali1234> because the software has a menu item "send to flash drive"
[22:25] <penguin42> ali1234: If you plug it into a linux system and look at /sys/class/block/sd???/removable what does it say?
[22:25] <daftykins> tried a 'clean' with diskpart?
[22:25] <ali1234> so it doesn't recognize that two of them are flash drives because of this
[22:25] <daftykins> though i don't really see my idea having any effect
[22:25] <ali1234> you can still "save as" and select the drive manually and it does the same thing
[22:27] <ali1234> penguin42: it matches the observed behaviour in windows
[22:28] <daftykins> oh so it's lower level for sure
[22:28] <daftykins> obviously cheap tat :)
[22:28] <penguin42> ali1234: Weird
[22:28] <ali1234> they're sandisk
[22:28] <penguin42> oh
[22:28] <penguin42> hmm
[22:28] <daftykins> i think sandisk are the #1 target of fakes
[22:28] <ali1234> also weirdly the one that is removable appears to have an activity LED, the other two don't
[22:29] <ali1234> bought from PC world
[22:29] <penguin42> ali1234: 2 possibilities, 1) They're not really sandisk  2) Sandisk used to have this weird thing where some drives would present both a flashdrive and a cd with some installation software to do something weird
[22:29] <penguin42> ali1234: What does /proc/scsi/scsi show for the 2 different types of drives?
[22:30] <ali1234> identical except the removable has a different revision number
[22:31] <penguin42> were these in a 3 pack?
[22:31] <ali1234> yes
[22:31] <ali1234> cruzer facet 8GB
[22:31] <penguin42> double weird
[22:33] <daftykins> ah yeah perhaps penguin42 speaks of the 'U3' drives
[22:33] <penguin42> possibly; my dad had some that were a pain
[22:34] <penguin42> ali1234: Perhaps you should try usb_modeswitch on them - although that shouldn't happen for a thumb drive
[22:34] <ali1234> i doubt that would do anything really
[22:34] <penguin42> agrres, although I'm out of ideas
[22:34] <ali1234> maybe if i install the sandisk software
[22:35] <ali1234> i reckon that they've manufactured a load of flash drives in different colours
[22:35] <daftykins> i'd return 'em
[22:35] <ali1234> then taken the ones that didn't sell, and repackaged them with newer models in different colours as a three pack
[22:36] <ali1234> the odd one out has a lower revision number
[22:37] <ali1234> these were bought ages ago so we can't return them
[22:37] <ali1234> they seem to work fine
[22:38] <daftykins> ah
[22:40] <daftykins> i've decided cheap flash drives are a false economy :) despite seeing a £24.99 128GB USB 3.0 with 90MB/sec read recently
[22:40] <daftykins> i ignored it :>
[22:41] <penguin42> well the problem though is you say 'cheap' but generally would thing a sandisk drive would work
[22:42] <daftykins> i just mean in general there
[22:42] <daftykins> yeah their rep used to be good
[22:42] <penguin42> but I mean it's more potluck than being able to make a judgement on cost or brand
[22:43] <daftykins> i'm not so sure it's that wildly open
[22:44] <ali1234> they do work tho


[02:00] <veebers> thomi: you have a moment?
[02:00] <thomi> sure
[02:00] <thomi> what's up?
[02:01] <veebers> thomi: Do you agree that this test does what we described the other day (WRT the datetime + tz tests)? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~veebers/autopilot/adding_timezone_timestamp_tests/revision/514
[02:02] <veebers> thomi: this is against trunk and passes, it fails when used on the datetime changes of balloons (that I'm taking over)
[02:03] <thomi> veebers: no, that's not right
[02:03] <thomi> I don't think
[02:03] <thomi> hmmm
[02:03] <veebers> thomi: my thought process:
[02:04] <veebers> given a known timestamp, create a qml datetime object and compare what we get back down the line against a locally created datetime w/ the same timestamp
[02:04] <thomi> veebers: ok, a few things.
[02:05] <thomi> first, I'm not convinced that setting 'TZ' does what you expect - maybe it does, but I'd like to see a test proving that first.
[02:05] <thomi> Second, that's not how users will ever compare the times in their autopilot tests, so it's not a great representation of what we're trying to fix
[02:05] <thomi> Third, this doesn't mention times outside the 32 biut boundary - shoul dit?
[02:05] <thomi> *should it
[02:05] <thomi> that's all I have right now :D
[02:07] <veebers> thomi: Right, I did some manual testing for the TZ part (but nothing seen here) and it does what I expect. 2nd good point re: user comparison. 3rd No doesn't test outside the 32bit yet, but is intended to prove the correctness of the DateTime types (and thus soon to prove the >32bit datetime stuff)
[02:07] <veebers> I'll update it now
[02:07] <veebers> thanks thomi :-)
[02:08] <thomi> hmm, yes
[02:08] <thomi> I think also we need to do some manual testing before we try and land this
[02:08] <thomi> get balloons to try it
[02:08] <thomi> and maybe others in different timezones
[02:12] <veebers> thomi: yeah sounds good.
[03:20] <veebers> thomi: if you have a moment, are these changes a step in the right direction (ignoring pt3 of yours at this stage); http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~veebers/autopilot/adding_timezone_timestamp_tests/revision/515
[03:23] <thomi> veebers: that looks to me like you're testing the incorrect behavior
[03:23] <thomi> veebers: if the qml property says:
[03:24] <thomi> property date testingTime: new Date('2014-01-15 12:34:52');
[03:24] <thomi> then in autopilot I should be able to do:
[03:24] <thomi> date_object.day == 15
[03:24] <thomi> date_object.hour == 12
[03:24] <thomi> tht should *never* change
[03:24] <veebers> thomi: hmm, good point, will check that out


[00:00] <E3D3> it = is
[00:01] <KaiSforza> haha E3D3 it's all good.
[00:02] <KaiSforza> it's probably some part of a package.
[00:02] <Unit193> Cool trick, if you type the command, it may also tell you what you do need to install.
[00:04] <E3D3> It works, just converted ps to pdf. I'll find it, but guess under an alias or in a package. Again sorry and thank you very much
[00:09] <E3D3> Its in ghostscript that i have installed.
[00:09] <E3D3> Bye
[00:17] <lubi> my lubuntu wont login after instalation
[00:43] <LxKermit> exit
[03:47] <rawfodog> how do I share or transfer files between 2 computers running lubuntu ?
[03:53] <Unit193> scp is one good way.
[03:54] <rawfodog> how ?
[03:54] <rawfodog> I get this error ...
[03:54] <rawfodog> scp: ambiguous target
[04:05] <rawfodog> got it working
[04:05] <rawfodog> needed to add a slash and also -r (for folders)
[04:05] <rawfodog> thanks Unit193
[04:43] <Unit193> rawfodog: Heh, glad you got it, there is also rsync, sshfs, and many others. (I seem to use scp more than the rest)
[04:46] <rawfodog> I use rsync a lot, I just had no idea I go do it wth out ssh keys and such :)
[04:47] <Unit193> Ah, use the .ssh/config file. I finally set that up for myself. :P
[04:54] <Unit193> http://kimmo.suominen.com/docs/ssh/ Had a better link, but can't find it now. :/
[04:55] <rawfodog> thanks man :)
[04:59] <Unit193> This is going to drive me crazy that I can't find that better link. :P
[07:16] <Silverlion> good morning
[07:18] <Silverlion> here is a question from Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset via our FB-Group: "I can't get my volume keys to work on 11.10 or 12.04 :( Am I the only one? Any help will be great :) [This happens on two different machines]First one is a Compaq Presario 1700 and the other is a Samsung NP305V4A." << anyone an idea?
[07:22] <Silverlion> moin paddy
[07:36] <pAt_> moin jens
[07:37] <valdur55> moin. Deutsch?
[07:37] <pAt_> yes valdur55
[07:37] <pAt_> its just hi
[07:37] <valdur55> jarnos, Ich weiss
[07:39] <Silverlion> valdur55: /join #lubuntu-de
[07:39] <valdur55> Silverlion, good point! It was outof topic.
[07:45] <pAt_> valdur55: also to bring live into that channel :)
[07:45] <Silverlion> valdur55: it was an invitation to speak german without having to fear any complaints of the others in here ;)
[07:46] <valdur55> ok!
[08:25] <bappseggl> .
[08:27] <bappseggl> ?
[08:27] <valdur55> !help | bappseggl
[13:23] <filo1234> hi
[13:29] <freiform> hi, i'm running the lates beta on an old powerbook (ppc, nvidia graphics) and experience blank sections on the screen (browser, terminal, logout screen). if i hover ove rthose blank sections with the mouse or select text, the blank sections show their contents. any ideas on this?
[13:32] <phillw> freiform: the theme is currently being re-written, it is a known issue.
[13:35] <freiform> phillw: are there any temporary workarounds?
[13:37] <phillw> freiform: sadly not for ppc. Raphael is working as fast as he can to get the new theme completed and we'll be testing it as soon as it lands!
[13:37] <phillw> I think one of the guys switched themes and that helped.
[13:39] <freiform> phillw: i.e. changing widgets in 'customize look and feel'?
[13:39] <phillw> freiform: if you join the lubuntu-qa mailing group, all our ppc / intel-mac testing is going on via that mailing list https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa
[13:39] <phillw> I'm only the co-ordinator, I don't have access to a Mac.
[13:40] <freiform> phillw: very well, i'll look into it. thank you.
[13:40] <phillw> none of them bite & they'll be happy to see another tester :)
[13:41] <phillw> I'll approve your membership as soon as I get the request
[13:53] <freiform> phillw: i did sign up
[13:54] <phillw> freiform: I approved you :) The mailing list is bottom left corner of https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa
[13:55] <freiform> great, i'm quite bussy atm, but i'll check later on.
[14:10] <danstoner> Hey folks, nice job on Lubuntu. I'm liking LXDE.
[16:25] <G__81> i installed lxde on Ubuntu and i have few questions. First is when i open banshee and when i click on close button in banshee, it goes missing
[16:25] <G__81> but its still playing the song but i dont know where it goes to
[16:25] <G__81> any help please?
[16:28] <M0hi> G__81, I believe that it will be in the panel, at some corner along with the time and other parallel applications running
[16:28] <G__81> M0hi, it does not i dont see it where as i see xchat
[16:29] <valdur55> G__81, open banshee again and look menu/edit/preferences/extensions/
[16:30] <G__81> oh valdur55 thanks a lot found it
[16:30] <G__81> is more development happening in lxde or in xfce?
[16:40] <valdur55> G__81, good question. Look on projects source code commits
[16:47] <G__81> valdur55, installing Lubuntu. I already had lxde installed. I am now installing Lubuntu as such. would that be a problem. If i already have lxde installed which i installed using apt-get install lxde
[17:39] <milen8204> Why I cant watch videoclips in Internet
[17:40] <milen8204> I can in youtube but can`t in Vbox7
[17:42] <smile4ever> milen8204: is flash player installed? :p
[17:43] <milen8204> smile4ever: yes it is
[17:43] <smile4ever> strange. :p
[17:43] <milen8204> now I am instaling everiting which contains flash player and adobe :)
[17:47] <wxl> i found i couldn't upload to bandcamp with current flash
[17:47] <wxl> no problem with chromium
[17:47] <wxl> not sure if you know, but adobe doesn't develop for linux anymore
[17:48] <wxl> google is continuing to do so, but only within the confines of chromium
[17:48] <wxl> i usually use firefox
[17:48] <wxl> so if you do, that might be your issue
[17:51] <Unit193> wxl: They'll continue with updates to this version, just not new versions. Also, s/Chromium/Chrome/
[17:52] <wxl> Unit193: oh. man, that sucks worse.
[17:54] <Unit193> http://blogs.adobe.com/flashplayer/2012/02/adobe-and-google-partnering-for-flash-player-on-linux.html Chromium might get it, but I don't read that.
[17:55] <wxl> yeah i hadn't thought that through
[17:55] <wxl> knowing google it probably won't be open source :/


[02:36] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[02:37] <mannequin> morning
[08:20] <ducasse> good morning
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> !no bionic is <reply> Ubuntu 18.04 LTS (Bionic Beaver) is the 28th release of Ubuntu, supported until April 2023. Release notes at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes
[14:10] <oxfuxxx> heya
[20:33] <Maik> leftyfb: i guess the op trigger list is outdated, just a copy paste from freenode, since none of the ops ever respond
[20:33] <leftyfb> what else is new?
[20:34] <Maik> something needs to be done about that asap imho
[20:34] <Maik> or.... get new ops that actually do something ;)
[20:34] <leftyfb> which part? The list being outdated or the ops not responding?
[20:34] <Maik> both
[20:35] <oerheks> i have seen ops triggers in #ubuntu-ops last year..
[20:35] <oerheks> suggest all ubuntu members are automaticly ops in #ubuntu
[20:36] <leftyfb> that might not be the best idea
[20:36] <leftyfb> becoming an ubuntu member is trivial
[20:36] <oerheks> true ... wait
[20:37] <Maik> the only ops i have seen taking care of things a few times are sarnold and tomreyn
[20:37] <leftyfb> are they ops?
[20:37] <oerheks> yes
[20:38] <Maik> yep
[20:38] <Maik> not sure if they are in #ubuntu though
[20:39] <leftyfb> ok, well, those are the only 2 active members who I feel are active enough and would do as well enough job as op. The rest are either never around or do everything in their power not to remove the garbage
[20:39] <leftyfb> unfortunately, 2 active ops isn't enough
[20:39] <Maik> exactly
[20:40] <sonicwind> pretty sure both became ops in #ubuntu last year... have seen tomreyn take action
[20:42] <oerheks> for non-ops, as ubuntu member one can contact #libera directly, jess or the other ones for spamruns
[20:42] <Maik> they simply tell you to contact the ops
[20:43] <Maik> been there done that
[20:44] <leftyfb> yeah, I've understood that paradigm for a while now, even on freenode. I typically only bug them when it spans multiple channels
[20:44] <oerheks> oh, i guess it must be my long blond curly hair
[20:51] <Maik> lol
[21:04] <guiverc> can someone on 20.04/focal confirm they have/don't.have a `nm-tool` command please
[21:05] <guiverc> (looking at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessTroubleShootingGuide due to https://askubuntu.com/questions/1386193/do-i-edit-the-wifi-help-page-on-the-ubuntu-wiki change request; I only have jammy system up currently)
[21:13] <guiverc> done thanks  (booted another box)
[21:13] <Aavar> guiverc: I don't.
[21:14] <guiverc> thanks Aavar; appreciated :)
[21:15] <Jeremy31> Not on Mint 20 either
[21:16] <guiverc> thanks Jeremy31
[21:18] <oerheks> nmcli is current now?
[21:19] <Jeremy31> it works
[22:01]  * ogra recommends nmtui instead
[22:09] <Thaurwylth> Is it foreseeable, or maybe foreseeable that it doesn't happen, that rtw88_8821 gets replaced by something like rtl8821ce provided by Tomas Pinho or that the problem gets circumvented some other way? Either on the kernel level or higher up. Long story short, there is this kind of known issue with Realtek: https://github.com/tomaspinho/rtl8821ce#wi-fi-not-working-for-kernel--59
[22:10] <Thaurwylth> This problem has affected me and a lot of other people.
[22:10] <Jeremy31> Thaurwylth: install rtl8821ce-dkms and blacklist the rtw88pci driver
[22:10] <Thaurwylth> Yes, this is the solution I have used.
[22:11] <Jeremy31> Or replace the Realtek with an Intel
[22:11] <Thaurwylth> The question is more like, will that become automatized in the future, somehow.
[22:11] <Jeremy31> It is an upstream kernel issue
[22:17] <Thaurwylth> One of the most grave problems of that issue is that if someone has a laptop (let
[22:18] <Thaurwylth> 's say also no tools to open it available and no replacement parts) and they're doing a system install with only wifi available, well, it is entirely possible that the install crashes. This has happened to me with a Kubuntu install medial.
[22:20] <Thaurwylth> With a completely unrelated stroke of luck I actually had a cable network available, but there is no reason to think that it wouldn't happen to someone who has only wifi available.
[22:20] <leftyfb> Thaurwylth: your issue is with the #linux kernel, not ubuntu
[22:23] <Thaurwylth> Depends a bit. I mean there is a higher level workaround that could be used. But I sense a little bit hostility here so I'll leave it at that.
[22:23] <Thaurwylth> Discussion closed.
[22:24] <Jeremy31> No hostility
[22:25] <Jeremy31> Nobody here(that I know of) has any influence on upstream kernel commits
[22:26] <Jeremy31> It wouldn't surprise me if the dkms part of rtl8812au-dkms was still broken-- since 2016


[01:48] <gt8ost4l> anyone here is experiencing problems with the clock like i am
[01:50] <ianorlin> what problems with the clock?
[01:51] <gt8ost4l> it shows a clock
[01:51] <ianorlin> in the panel?
[01:51] <gt8ost4l> yes
[01:51] <ianorlin> you want no clock?
[01:52] <gt8ost4l> no not in clock format its like a wrist watch clock
[01:52] <ianorlin> or does it show the wrong time
[01:53] <ianorlin> http://www.foragoodstrftime.com/ is one way to customize after you right click and put clock settings
[01:53] <ianorlin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/CustomizingTheClock is also the wikipage
[01:54] <gt8ost4l> still wrist watch format
[01:56] <ianorlin> what format do you want it in?
[01:57] <gt8ost4l> i tryed that help section and none of the code seems to work
[01:57] <gt8ost4l> i just want it to display the time in 12 hour format
[01:59] <ianorlin> right click on the clock and in where it says digital clock settings have it say %I :%M also do you want the seconds or it to say am or pm?
[02:00] <gt8ost4l> no seconds just pm or am
[02:01] <ianorlin> then add %p
[02:03] <gt8ost4l> nop
[02:07] <gt8ost4l> can i reinstall it?
[04:02] <osmodivs> Hello, whe I try to record a video from Youtube with RECORMYDESKTOP GTK, all I see is a green screen, how do I fix it?
[04:29] <holstein> osmodivs: what are you trying to do?
[04:29] <holstein> osmodivs: recordmydesktopgtk is not intended to copy youtube videos
[04:31] <osmodivs> Is like record everything I do, including going to web sites that have videos
[04:31] <osmodivs> I am not trying to record A video from youtube, I just downloadthem.
[04:31] <osmodivs> I have tried Kazam and Vokoscreen, and so far none of them work
[04:32] <holstein> ok.. you said, "when i try to record a video".. so, i just wanted to clarify.. its not intended for that
[04:32] <osmodivs> they do record the screen, but not the videos I am watching
[04:32] <holstein> osmodivs: recordmydesktopgtk worked for me
[04:32] <holstein> osmodivs: they are not *intended* for that.. they are flash, and may not allow you to do what you are trying to do
[04:32] <holstein> osmodivs: you should ask the creators of the videos for a copy
[04:33] <osmodivs> I think I did that in the past, I recorded some video from an emulator
[04:33] <osmodivs> ....
[04:33] <osmodivs> or was just  a picture?
[04:33] <holstein> osmodivs: you are not allowed to
[04:33] <holstein> osmodivs: also, im not going to help you do it.. if you would like to troubleshoot screen capture, im interested, and volunteer my help..
[05:51] <FuuqUmiist> so it the stanby/sleep/hibernate mode fixed yet??
[05:52] <ianorlin> hibernate isn't that supported anymore and may take as much time as booting as normal
[05:52] <holstein> FuuqUmiist: its never been broken for me.. are you having issues on some specific hardware?
[05:53] <holstein> i have had hardware that didnt support linux that well that would have issues but its not an issue with the "mode" in the operating system
[05:53] <ianorlin> do you have a swap partition FuuqUmiist at least as big as ram?
[08:15] <gt8ost4l> anyone one knows where java jdk 7 for lubuntu
[08:15] <gt8ost4l> is
[15:58] <ROP_> when i shut the lid of laptop the internet disconnect and wont restart unless i restart the computer. any suggests to stop this?
[17:58] <kaerhon> hi
[18:00] <kaerhon> i need to ask you, where can i configure sound in lubuntu 13.10?
[18:00] <kaerhon> (my mic is really low in skype)
[18:03] <holstein> !audio
[18:03] <holstein> i would try alsamixer, and trust no labells
[18:04] <kaerhon> is the volume applet at the bottom right?
[18:04] <kaerhon> that one near the hour and network?
[18:05] <kaerhon> hmm i've got some parameters
[18:05] <holstein> kaerhon: alsamixer in the terminal is what i just suggested
[18:05] <kaerhon> alsamixer it is
[18:05] <kaerhon> aaah ok
[18:05] <kaerhon> yes, it's the same
[18:05] <kaerhon> cool, thank you very much :D
[18:06] <phillw> +1 :)
[18:06] <holstein> and trust no labels
[18:06] <kaerhon> (i won't have to shout at 3am anymore \o/)
[18:06] <kaerhon> what does that mean?
[18:06] <kaerhon> what labels?
[18:06] <holstein> just that.. the labels can be incorrect, so dont trust them
[18:06] <kaerhon> ok, i'll do my tests, then
[18:07] <kaerhon> thanks
[18:08] <phillw> btw holstein I hiope life is treating you well. catch up in -ot :)
[18:51] <FuuqUmiist> hi smart people
[18:52] <FuuqUmiist> how do i make a shortcut to open a file on the panel?
[19:11] <kaerhon> i don't know :/
[19:21] <FuuqUmiist> why not
[19:58] <kaerhon> i just don't know
[19:58] <kaerhon> i've got a sound question too
[20:00] <kaerhon> i have alsa, end want to use a soft that seem to want only pulse audio,is it a good idea to install pulseaudio? is it compatible with alsa? will lubuntu be happy qith pulse audio? if yes, should i fire alsa before?
[20:22] <ianorlin> pulse still uses alsa for some stuff
[20:29] <kaerhon> so there should not be problems
[23:23] <FuuqUmiist> so how do i make a shortcut to a file on the panel?
[23:27] <TyreXo> What driver version of ati/amd for sapphire hd 4650 1 gb agp 8x,for lubuntu 13.10 ? I didn't find any good for it.