[08:06] <jam> dang, just missed fwereade
[09:05] <rogpeppe1> jam: surely he wasn't up all night?
[09:05] <rogpeppe1> jam: morning, BTW!
[09:05] <jam> well he disconnected ~1.5hrs ago, just about 15 min before I went looking for him.
[09:05] <jam> hi fwereade
[09:05] <jam> hi rogpeppe1
[09:06] <TheMue> btw, morning all
[09:07] <jam> apparently I keep scaring fwereade away :0
[09:07] <mgz> :)
[09:07] <fwereade> jam, hey, sorry :)
[09:07] <fwereade> jam, didn't even realise I was disconnected
[09:07] <fwereade> jam, what can I do for you?
[09:07] <fwereade> TheMue, rogpeppe1: heyhey
[09:08] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: heya
[09:08] <jam> fwereade: I was noticing you had a patch that landed with only 1 review. I'm guessing that was because you felt it was trivial. But I just wanted to check with you.
[09:08] <jam> (My personal feeling is that requiring 2 +1's is too much, but I'd rather other people feel the pain of it to understand why I feel that way :)
[09:09] <TheMue> rogpeppe1: your stack trace hint has been good, thank you. so i yesterday evening have been able to place those on the right locations and this morning i analyzed the output. and i found a pattern when the test fails and could fix it in the firewaller.
[09:09] <fwereade> jam, yeah, that's right, confirmed trivial in IRC
[09:09] <TheMue> rogpeppe1: now i'm doing some more tests, but it looks good.
[09:09] <rogpeppe1> TheMue: glad to hear it
[09:09] <fwereade> jam, I though I said trivial in the CL description
[09:09] <TheMue> fwereade: heya
[09:09] <jam> fwereade: you did mention that. It wasn't immediately clear what that meant. (I haven't heard it discussed that trivial patches only need 1 review.)
[09:10] <fwereade> jam, I'm not sure it's written down anywhere but it's been part of the team culture since I joined, I think
[10:00] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: tbh i think that particular CL was verging on the non-trivial (it's not usual to put substantial code blocks in export_test.go) but given where it was going, i don't mind.
[10:01] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, ah, sorry -- I'm working to remove the need for that even now
[10:01] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, although really I should be more release-focused, hmm
[10:01] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: cool, thought so
[10:39] <TheMue> so, back, sorry for being afk. while we talked about the sleeping troubles with young children yesterday the troubles simetimes grow with the age. our are now almost 17 and 19 and have troubles with school and job. *sigh*
[10:50] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, https://codereview.appspot.com/7058061 addressed
[10:56] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: reviewed
[11:06] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, thanks
[11:10] <fwereade> morning Aram
[11:10] <Aram> hey there.
[11:21] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: trivial: https://codereview.appspot.com/7064064
[11:24] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, LGTM, concur trivial
[11:24] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: ta
[11:29] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: Aram: could you register with gravatar? it would be nice to be able to see kanban card ownership at a glance.
[11:29] <Aram> rogpeppe1, but I did.
[11:30] <Aram> I don't know why it's now showing,
[11:30] <rogpeppe1> Aram: with your canonical email addr, presumably
[11:30] <Aram> yes
[11:30] <rogpeppe1> Aram: ah! i just needed to reload
[11:30] <rogpeppe1> Aram: thanks
[11:31] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: just you to go :-)
[11:31] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, blech, ok ;p
[11:38] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, I can't see myself yet but I think I've done it
[11:39] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: i imagine there's some caching to time out before we see it
[11:39] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, so I would imagine
[11:52] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, TheMue, Aram: https://codereview.appspot.com/7062062 -- principal Uniter sets subordinates to Dying when the principal is Dying
[11:52] <TheMue> *click*
[12:03] <jam> mgz: poke for standup
[12:03] <mgz> did wonder at 11 if we were doing one :)
[12:03] <jam> mgz: yeah, I was on an hour ago, but we were meant to do it now.
[12:04] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: reviewed
[12:04] <mgz> ah, yeah, had mentioned bumping but calendar was still old time
[12:05] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, TheMue: cool, thanks
[12:10]  * fwereade ->lunch
[12:32] <jam> mgz: at one point you said that we don't need listings for public buckets, but the code we are trying to share with ec2 wants to list all the tools it has available, and 'pick the best', which is why we do need .rlistings
[12:32] <jam> for the public location.
[12:38] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: initial stab at agent package: https://codereview.appspot.com/7064066
[12:38] <rogpeppe1> other reviews also appreciated, please
[12:57] <TheMue> rogpeppe1: done
[12:57] <rogpeppe1> TheMue: thanks
[12:57] <TheMue> rogpeppe1: yw
[13:14] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, why json not yaml? I thought yaml was the project standard for data files, regardless of personal taste
[13:14] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, everything else looks good though
[13:14] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: yaml doesn't cope well with []byte
[13:15] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: i could change CACert to be string everywhere, i suppose
[13:16] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: although that has its own issues (the standard crypto packages use []byte for certificates and keys)
[13:16] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, ok, that's reasonable but deserves a comment -- but also, remind me why we went with a single file?
[13:16] <TheMue> fwereade, rogpeppe1: a review with only two lines https://codereview.appspot.com/7068059/ (read the text, the firewaller is the change which alread had two LGTMs but then has been rejected by Dave. line 272 is the new one).
[13:16] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, I don't think you should change the cert type
[13:17] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: it's much less code, easier to expand to include more options, and having a single "agent.conf" file seems to me to be a good thing for debugging and general non-clutteredness
[13:17] <rogpeppe1> s/more options/more fields/
[13:18] <TheMue> fwereade, rogpeppe1: and i would ask one of you to run the whole tests, i've got one language error because my system is germen and the compared text is expected tobe english. ;)
[13:18] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, ok, I guess tasks that need to change it can return ErrConfChangeReady, like we do with ErrUpgradeReady
[13:18] <fwereade> TheMue, can you not fix it with LC_LOCALE or something?
[13:19] <rogpeppe1> TheMue: the compared text from what?
[13:19] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: i'd imagined having an api that enables changing it in a safe way (with a mutex lock)
[13:19] <TheMue> rogpeppe1: one moment, will look for the name of test
[13:19] <fwereade> TheMue,     os.Setenv("LC_ALL", "en_US") fixes language weirdness in the git tests, I believe
[13:19] <TheMue> fwereade: you, would be an idea
[13:20] <TheMue> s/you/yes
[13:20] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: it's not difficult to do, and it's only owned by one running program, so there's no issue with concurrent changes from outside
[13:20] <TheMue> fwereade: the test is btw not mine, it's one where an external tool is called.
[13:21] <rogpeppe1> TheMue: which tool?
[13:21] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, true -- feels like it subtly works against task independence but not enough to really bug me badly
[13:21] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: i don't think it needs to
[13:21] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: each task can still make independent changes
[13:21] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, will be able to, once api is in place
[13:22] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: sure
[13:22] <rogpeppe1> :-)
[13:22] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, but LGTM
[13:22] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: thanks
[13:22] <rogpeppe1> fwereade: will add a comment
[13:22] <fwereade> rogpeppe1, cheers
[13:22] <TheMue> rogpeppe1: it's bzr in lpad_test.go:16: StoreSuite.TestPublishCharmDistro
[13:23] <TheMue> rogpeppe1: nothing wild, the printed text in german matches to the expected english one. but the test fails. ;)
[13:23] <fwereade> TheMue, also LGTM assuming those are the only changes from before
[13:24] <TheMue> fwereade: yes, only addMachine() with instance id and treating ErrNoInstances correect.
[13:26] <TheMue> fwereade: there has been another race due to my usage of a vm, but that has been fixed by roger (thanks again)
[13:36] <fwereade> TheMue, was that the InjectMachine? I saw that, thanks
[13:36] <TheMue> fwereade: that has been after a hint of roger. but he also had a CL.
[13:37] <TheMue> fwereade: it's in since yesterday.
[13:37] <fwereade> TheMue, ok, thanks
[13:50]  * rogpeppe1 is away for a bit of lunch. back in 30 mins.
[13:56] <mgz> jam: yup, discovered that when reviewing the branch, it's a change in the go version due to wanting to give out executables
[14:24] <rogpeppe1> back
[14:52] <TheMue> rogpeppe: any chance to look into my review?
[14:53] <rogpeppe> TheMue: i will do in a little bit, just been in a meeting, and am looking at something else currently
[14:53] <TheMue> rogpeppe: ok, np
[15:00] <rogpeppe> TheMue: reviewed
[15:00] <TheMue> rogpeppe: just seen, thx
[15:01] <TheMue> rogpeppe: and the idea of the double proposal is good
[15:01] <rogpeppe> TheMue: kanban meeting?
[15:02] <TheMue> rogpeppe: afaik yes
[15:03] <rogpeppe> TheMue: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/539f4239bf2fd8f454b789d64cd7307166bc9083
[16:10] <fwereade> rogpeppe, TheMue: https://codereview.appspot.com/7073056/ addresses the most critical remaining subordinates problem - I'm about to verify it live, but feel hopeful, and would appreciate reviews
[16:10] <TheMue> fwereade: *click*
[16:11] <TheMue> fwereade: oh, that is the one i already reviewed ;)
[16:11] <fwereade> TheMue, <3
[16:25] <rogpeppe> fwereade: reviewed
[16:27] <fwereade> rogpeppe, tyvm
[16:43] <fwereade> rogpeppe, yeah, it works :)
[16:43] <rogpeppe> fwereade: yay!
[16:43] <rogpeppe> fwereade: that presumably increases the number of charms we're compatible with by a significant amount
[16:43] <fwereade> rogpeppe, almost better than expected -- a failed relation-broken hook in rsyslog-forwarder is keeping its principal unit alive
[16:44] <fwereade> I am suspicious about this:
[16:44] <fwereade> 2013/01/10 16:40:35 JUJU worker/uniter: HOOK /var/lib/juju/agents/unit-rsyslog-forwarder-0/charm/hooks/syslog-relation-broken: 5: /var/lib/juju/agents/unit-rsyslog-forwarder-0/charm/hooks/syslog-relation-broken: JUJU_REMOTE_UNIT: parameter not set
[16:44] <fwereade> rogpeppe, can you think why JUJU_REMOTE_UNIT would be expected or needed in a -broken hook?
[16:45] <rogpeppe> fwereade: no
[16:45] <rogpeppe> fwereade: perhaps it's expected to be the last unit that left the relation?
[16:46] <fwereade> rogpeppe, heh, maybe, that's pretty crackful if so
[16:46] <fwereade> rogpeppe, there's no guarantee there's been another unit in scope
[16:48] <fwereade> rogpeppe, but, yay, it all works -- resolving the error caused the subordinate to shut down smoothly, the principal recalled and removed it, the principal set itself to dead and the machine recalled and removed it
[16:50] <fwereade> rogpeppe, ...and when I destroyed the relation, the subordinate attached to the other unit shut itself down neatly too
[16:55] <rogpeppe> fwereade: why would you get a relation-broken if another unit hasn't been in scope?
[16:55] <rogpeppe> (sorry, someone came to the door, just back)
[16:57] <fwereade> rogpeppe, because relation-broken is the last thing that happens before a unit leaves a relation -- no more and no less
[16:59] <fwereade> rogpeppe, if we had a relation-forged hook that was guaranteed to run first, relation-broken would be its counterpart
[16:59] <rogpeppe> fwereade: ah, in which case JUJU_REMOTE_UNIT in that context is definitely crack
[16:59] <fwereade> rogpeppe, yeah, I just wonder why the charm uses it
[16:59] <rogpeppe> fwereade: have you had a look?
[17:00] <fwereade> rogpeppe, just did -- it's getting the service name from it :)
[17:00] <rogpeppe> fwereade: presumably there's an easier way of doing that...
[17:00] <fwereade> rogpeppe, or is it? actually I don;t know wtf it's doing
[17:01] <fwereade> rogpeppe, more to the point I want to find out why it would work in python
[17:01] <rogpeppe> fwereade: yeah
[17:29] <fwereade> rogpeppe, TheMue: almost trivial before I stop: https://codereview.appspot.com/7080043
[17:29] <TheMue> fwereade: *click*
[17:31] <rogpeppe> fwereade: LGTM
[17:32] <TheMue> fwereade: ^
[17:32] <fwereade> rogpeppe, TheMue: cheers guys
[17:33] <TheMue> fwereade: yw
[18:35] <rogpeppe> end of day hereg'night all.
[18:35] <rogpeppe> ha
[18:35] <rogpeppe> g'night all


[01:31] <Kimse> I'm trying to mount a remote directory on  Ubuntu server on my local Linux Mint machine. But i'm having some trouble getting user mapping to work
[01:31] <Kimse> my username on the local machine and the remote server matches, but not the uid
[01:33] <Kimse> I figured i need to configure http://linux.die.net/man/5/idmapd.conf but I'm not quite sure how to
[01:38] <Kimse> Oh and btw - I'm ofc using NFS, sorry about that ;-)
[01:38] <Kimse> And I am able to mount the directory, but I cannot write to a directory on the server which my local user at the server owns (uid mismatch)
[08:09] <linuxlove> hello
[08:10] <linuxlove> my system has crashed after installing a script
[08:10] <linuxlove> what should i do to fix?
[08:11] <linuxlove> it is that script http://pastebin.com/EGxs2auF
[08:49] <jamespage> ddellav, coreycb: just checking that you know about 'check-mir' in ubuntu-dev-tools right?
[08:50] <ddellav> jamespage i did not.
[08:50] <ddellav> oh god, so helpful
[08:51] <jamespage> ddellav, sorry - assumption on my part
[08:51] <jamespage> ddellav, grep-merges is quite useful as well...
[08:51] <jamespage> so long as zigo is uploading to unstable...
[08:51] <jamespage> ddellav, blimey you're up late...
[08:52] <ddellav> jamespage yea i have a upper respiratory infection, it's making it difficult to sleep so i figured i'd jump on and get some work done heh
[08:53] <jamespage> ddellav, do we need a sync of python-pika-pool from unstable?
[08:54] <ddellav> jamespage yes, there's an FFE open and i'll be creating the MIR soon if i coreycb hasn't already
[08:54] <jamespage> ddellav, okay
[08:55] <ddellav> jamespage https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1552827
[08:55] <jamespage> just looking at backport failures
[09:02] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:22] <linuxlove> hello
[09:24] <lordievader> o/
[09:25] <linuxlove> how to delete packages in terminal?
[09:25] <linuxlove> for example python-pycurl:amd64 <none> <IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu2
[09:26] <lordievader> linuxlove: sudo apt-get remove|purge <package-name>; also read the man page of apt-get.
[09:27] <linuxlove> lordievader, i get error when i run sudo apt-get remove python-pycurl:amd64 <none> <IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu2
[09:27] <linuxlove> why?
[09:28] <lordievader> linuxlove: Because that ain't a package name? 'python-pycurl' is the package name.
[09:29] <linuxlove> oh yes
[09:31] <linuxlove> what is difference between purge and remove?
[09:31] <mybalzitch> purge removes configuration files afaik
[09:31] <lordievader> ^ that. Like I said read the man page.
[09:31] <lordievader> Everything is explained in the man page.
[09:33] <linuxlove> you mean purge uninstall and delete configuration files?
[09:34] <lordievader> apt-get remove doesn't remove configuration files, apt-get purge does.
[10:41] <Deeps> anyone here using duo security 2 factor auth with their ubuntu server 14.04?
[10:50] <henkjan> Deeps: I do
[10:57] <Deeps> henkjan: could you share what config you're using? i'm trying to get ssh access authenticated with duo, but my auth log just shows Aborted Duo login for 'user' from host: Error gathering user response
[10:57] <Deeps> if i set the user to 'bypass' in the duo control panel, auth succeed. the moment i require 2fa, it just throws that error all the time
[10:58] <Deeps> duo logs show successful login when it's set to bypass, so i guess the problem is local to my host / sshd, rather than between my server and duo api integration
[10:58] <Deeps> and yeah, actually, it's almost definitely that. i dont think /etc/init.d/ssh restart is actually working
[10:58] <henkjan> Deeps: can you try the command login_duo in your shell
[10:59] <henkjan> try stop ssh; start ssh
[10:59] <Deeps> oh god, systemd isnt it
[10:59]  * Deeps has to learn new things
[10:59] <henkjan> weird mixup of upstart and sysv init in 14.04
[11:00] <henkjan> restarting ssh the old way doesnt work
[11:00] <Deeps> root@ubuntuvm:~# start ssh
[11:00] <Deeps> start: Job is already running: ssh
[11:00] <Deeps> but no sshd actaully running
[11:00] <Deeps> blah being summoned to do other things, thanks for the pointers, looks like i've found where half the problem is at least
[11:28] <koolhead17> hi all
[11:36] <Razva> folks I need somebody to clear some things for me. SO. I have a single CPU, 8 physical core, 16 threads server. I would like to create a VM (esxi) and I'm asked how many virtual sockets I would like to allocate, and how many cores per virtual socket. now, is a virtual socket the same as a physical CPU, OR as a physical core?
[11:50] <jamespage> ddellav, coreycb: there was also a niggle with the sbuild process in b-o-m - had to ensure that a dist-upgrade gets done before package build to pickup newer dh-python...
[11:50] <jamespage> anyway fixed now
[11:59] <koolhead17> howdy jamespage
[11:59] <jamespage> hey koolhead17
[12:00] <koolhead17> jamespage: i feel like n00b here
[12:00] <koolhead17> either a lot new faces are here or lot oldies have left :D
[12:00] <jamespage> koolhead17, no way you're old skool
[12:00] <koolhead17> jamespage: how is everything going
[12:00] <jamespage> koolhead17, always welcome :-)
[12:00] <jamespage> koolhead17, nicely ta - how about you?
[12:01] <koolhead17> jamespage: am doing good, joined new gig
[12:01] <jamespage> koolhead17, ? who with?
[12:01] <koolhead17> www.minio.io
[12:03] <koolhead17> @jamespage Object Storage with AWS S3 API compatibility in Golang. :D
[12:03] <jamespage> koolhead17, object storage in golang? that rings a bell :-)
[12:03] <jamespage> well maybe some rings anyway
[12:03] <koolhead17> :D
[12:04] <koolhead17> adam_g: supp
[12:04] <jamespage> koolhead17, plans for swift compat and keystone integration maybe?
[12:07] <koolhead17> jamespage: we are small team & at this point focusing on S3 specific compatible API, hence i would doubt
[12:08] <koolhead17> always up for more community contribution though. :)
[12:08] <jamespage> ack
[12:33] <coreycb> jamespage, thanks for the tip on check-mir, that's useful
[15:32] <Kimse> I'm trying to mount a remote directory shared via NFS from an Ubuntu server on my local Linux Mint machine. But i'm having some trouble getting user mapping to work
[15:32] <Kimse> my username on the local machine and the remote server matches, but not the uid
[15:32] <Kimse> I figured i need to configure http://linux.die.net/man/5/idmapd.conf but I'm not quite sure how to
[17:33] <jamespage> coreycb, b3 early next week? happy to sprint on that with you and ddellav to get that out of the door...
[17:33] <jamespage> coreycb, I think b2 is now all in proposed - I'll smoke early on monday and promote if it all passes...
[17:34] <coreycb> jamespage, sounds good
[17:38] <Deeps> henkjan: yep, turned out to just be ssh failing to restart through the init script. got it working now. thanks!
[17:39] <Deeps> henkjan: that said, it looks like it does 2fa if i use password auth, but not if i have an ssh key defined, need to learn pam i guess
[17:41] <dannf> hey mdeslaur: i'm testing out LP: #1552939 on a couple platforms - if it fixes the issue are you cool w/ me uploading it or would you want to review first?
[17:42] <mdeslaur> dannf: you can upload it, just make sure you do it over 1.0.2g that's stuck in xenial-proposed
[17:42] <dannf> mdeslaur: ack
[17:42] <mdeslaur> dannf: thanks!
[19:17] <Aleksandar86> Is posible update Ubuntu server 7 to Ubuntu 14.0... I have apache and mysql installed on old server and I want update without losing data?
[19:22] <genii> You haven't upgraded your server in 7 years??
[19:24] <patdk-lap> 7? you mean 9
[19:25] <Aleksandar86> genii no :(
[19:25] <patdk-lap> the only way to upgrade it correctly, is to upgrade to 7.10 -> 8.04 -> 10.04 -> 12.04 -> 14.04
[19:25] <patdk-lap> you are vaunerable to some pretty big security issues
[19:27] <hallyn_> smb: bug 1553023 :)
[19:30] <smb> hallyn_, well if sarnold absolutely volunteers to go through all the paperwork... maybe... surely not this week :-P
[19:31] <smb> hallyn_, plus this would not be a merge from Debian... not as of now at least
[19:34] <hallyn_> agreed, not this week :)
[19:34] <hallyn_> i'd like to find some time to give libvirt some luvin' in the next few weeks
[22:19] <Aleksandar86> On server Ubuntu I have login access with root and pass but when I try login with ssh I always get ACCESS DENIE. I changed config PermitRootLogin no but again same problem....
[22:26] <nacc> Aleksandar86: did you restart ssh after changing the config?
[22:31] <Aleksandar86> I set PermitRootLogin on Yes and I get access with root via SSH :)


[05:00] <hikiko> Hi
[06:09] <pitti> Good morning
[07:33] <pitti> happyaron: FYI, I pushed some changes to the NM bzr and uploaded; you have a parallel local git repo, right? can you please integrate the changes there too?
[07:40] <pitti> bah, and there's a -0ubuntu2 already in proposed which isn't in bzr
[07:46] <pitti> happyaron: cleaning up after your updates, importing the latest NM uploads into bzr
[07:46] <pitti> happyaron: this is annoying TBH -- if there is an official git now, please update Vcs-* accordingly, otherwise please also push changes to bzr
[07:54] <happyaron> pitti: ok ic
[07:59] <tjaalton> is the "colord crashes on default install login" on someones radar? still happens on a fresh xenial install
[08:29] <seb128> good morning desktopers!
[08:32] <pitti> bonjour seb128 !
[08:32] <seb128> pitti, salut pitti, ça va ? tu as eu un bon w.e ?
[08:32] <pitti> seb128: en effect ! c'était un week-end long (quatre jours)
[08:33] <pitti> "effet
[08:33] <pitti> seb128: we went to a Rock festival on Friday, and to a Star Wars exhibition on Saturday; toss in some gardening and basketball playing to get a perfect weekend :)
[08:33] <seb128> nice!
[08:34] <seb128> so weather was nice?
[08:34] <pitti> http://piware.de/fotos/Star-Wars-Identities-Mai2016/
[08:34] <seb128> it was ok here but now it's quite raint
[08:34] <seb128> rainy
[08:34] <pitti> seb128: oui, comme l'été
[08:34] <pitti> il y avait de la pluie hier soir, mais c'est d'accord
[10:21] <pitti> Laney, seb128: once you get the hang of it, it's fairly easy :) http://picpaste.com/pics/systemd-session.1464603655.png
[10:21] <pitti> half-converted session with everything apparently working
[10:22] <seb128> wooot
[10:22] <pitti> most important feature is obviously the auto-started xeyes!
[10:22] <pitti> beat that, upstart
[10:23] <pitti> Laney, seb128: WDYT about spending two or three days on that on a little sprint? (virtual or real)
[10:23] <seb128> +1 from me
[10:23] <seb128> no Laney today, it's an u.k holiday
[10:23] <pitti> I heartily invite you to Augsburg, but I also wouldn't mind paying Seb a visit in the Netherlands
[10:23] <pitti> oh
[10:24] <seb128> let's discuss with Laney/willcooke tomorrow?
[10:24] <pitti> sure!
[10:24] <pitti> it's an US holiday too, isn't it?
[10:24] <seb128> I think so
[10:24] <seb128> but yeah, should be easy travel either way
[10:26] <pitti> i. e. for three people we presumably don't need a hotel
[10:29] <Trevinho> pitti: oh, nice work on systemd user session...
[10:30] <pitti> thanks
[10:30] <pitti> now that I have enough units converted, I can simplify the bamf change a bit
[10:30] <Trevinho> pitti: the missing menus in terminal is related to that or something else?
[10:30] <seb128> hey Trevinho!
[10:30] <Trevinho> hi seb128
[10:30] <pitti> Trevinho: how do you mean? there's clearly a menu in my screenshot
[10:30] <Trevinho> pitti: missing *global* menus
[10:30] <Trevinho> sorry -,)
[10:30] <pitti> ah
[10:31] <Trevinho> pitti: if it's only terminal it might be related to something similar we had in upstart not exposing vars to dbus activation
[10:31] <pitti> Trevinho: doesn't happen under upstart session for me, thanks for pointing out; so supposedly my fault
[10:32] <pitti> Trevinho: do you happen to know what enables/triggers this?
[10:32] <Trevinho> pitti: if this lists unity-gtk-module then it's something like that
[10:32] <Trevinho> tr '\000' '\012' < /proc/$(pidof gnome-terminal-server)/environ | grep GTK_MODULES
[10:32] <Trevinho> err if it doesn't list*
[10:33] <pitti> right, it doesn't
[10:33] <pitti> GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge
[10:33] <pitti> GTK2_MODUELS=overlay-scrollbar
[10:37] <pitti> unity-gtk-module.conf:      GTK_MODULES="$GTK_MODULES:unity-gtk-module"
[10:37] <pitti> Trevinho: ah, I suppose I need to convert this upstart job too
[10:38] <pitti> or more precisely, set the GTK_MODULES env for systemd --user
[10:42] <andyrock> hey guys
[10:42] <seb128> hey andyrock! had a good w.e?
[10:43] <andyrock> seb128: hey seb128! nothing special and you?
[10:43] <seb128> it was quite good, went to a weeding on saturday and relaxed/played some tennis yesterday
[10:44] <andyrock> seb128: wedding o weeding? :D
[10:45] <seb128> lol, ups :p
[10:45] <seb128> wedding
[10:46] <pitti> heh, I *did* do half a day of weeding on the weekend :)
[10:46] <Trevinho> eheh
[10:47] <seb128> :-)
[10:48] <Trevinho> pitti: having that var in systemd user is enough to get that exported to dbus activation list too, right??
[10:48] <pitti> Trevinho: ah no, if we need it in dbus also, I'll use dbus-update-activation-environment
[10:49] <pitti> Trevinho: I'm currently porting unity-gtk-module.conf, will report back with the results once I'm done
[10:50] <Trevinho> pitti:  it would be nice if anything exported in ssytemd user is also exported to dbus activation as it happens in g-s or recently in upstart
[10:52] <pitti> Trevinho: why not just use dbus-update-activation-environment then?
[10:53] <Trevinho> pitti: it's fine, but I think it's something that should be done by default when some service wants to export something at systemd level
[10:54] <Trevinho> I mean if a [service] as an Environment field, is that exported to systemd only or also sent to dbus?
[10:54] <pitti> that sounds like a layering violation though
[10:55] <pitti> Trevinho: this only applies to that service
[10:55] <pitti> so, neither
[10:55] <Trevinho> Mh, yeah... For now :)
[10:56] <Trevinho> pitti: oh, also keyring stuff was doing it
[10:56] <Trevinho> pitti: but maybe going back to g-s activation for those things we can get this for free done by g-s
[11:10] <pitti> Trevinho: yep, works fine
[11:14] <pitti> https://git.launchpad.net/~pitti/+git/systemd-graphical-session/commit/?id=0d3e6d21d
[12:11] <desrt> Yawn
[12:12] <desrt> MoinMoin
[12:13] <desrt> GoodMorningEveryone
[12:14] <ogra_> IsItWikiSpeakDay?
[12:14] <pitti> hey desrt, how are you?
[12:15] <desrt> IAmWellThankYou
[12:15] <desrt> this is getting old faster than I expected...
[12:16] <ogra_> heh
[12:16] <seb128> good morning desrt!
[12:16] <desrt> hello :)
[12:16]  * desrt is exhausted and sore
[12:17] <seb128> HadAGoodWE?
[12:17] <desrt> biked 50+km yesterday
[12:17] <desrt> and ran around like crazy the day before
[12:17] <pitti> GoSports!
[12:17] <desrt> IngressObsessed
[13:23] <seb128> Sweet5hark, hey, could you look at the xenial SRU bugs? there is one bug reported on the SRU version that looks like it's not a regression/should be untagged and the other ones needs to be made verification-done
[13:24] <seb128> Trevinho, andyrock, should be fail the unity SRU on bug #1586491?
[13:24] <seb128> since it's a regression
[13:26] <Trevinho> seb128: I don't think so
[13:27] <seb128> but it's a regression in a SRU...
[13:27] <Trevinho> seb128: I think it's quicker to just do a new one, isn't it?
[13:27] <Trevinho> seb128: or should I rebuild the silo with a new fix and re-sync that?
[13:28] <Trevinho> seb128: but in my opinion the bug fix is more important than the "regression" (honestly I didn't think that was a feature).
[13:28] <seb128> Trevinho, well, failing the SRU means it needs to be fixed before being copied to -updates
[13:28] <seb128> so you can do another landing on top with the fix for that specific bug
[13:29] <seb128> yeah, I didn't know either, I never kept the key pressed, I usually just hit those a few times
[13:29] <Trevinho> seb128: ok, and how can we track both together: by keeping the tags in sync?
[13:29] <seb128> it also gives a better approximation than timing a long press
[13:31] <seb128> Trevinho, I would do a landing with the regression fix and talk the SRU team into just accepting that and not changing the bugs already verified
[13:31] <Trevinho> seb128: so, let's turn that into a feature :-)
[13:32] <seb128> hehe
[13:32] <seb128> we should also really do u-s-d landings this week
[13:33] <Trevinho> agree, upower stuff is already there.. so even kbd fixes are coming
[13:34] <seb128> we should first land the pending stack in y
[13:34] <Trevinho> sure
[13:52] <seb128> going for some sport, bbl
[14:11] <Trevinho> seb128: enjoy
[14:12] <Trevinho> desrt: hey, I've just experienced a crash here https://github.com/GNOME/gtk/blob/master/gtk/gtkmenutracker.c#L436
[14:13] <Trevinho> desrt: it happened that position has value 1, but section->items = NULL, thus the *change_point-> thing fails
[14:13] <Trevinho> desrt: why not protecting from that?
[14:24] <Trevinho> desrt: this looks sane to me, while I'd like to know why the position is invalid, but still... better not to crash, no?
[14:24] <Trevinho> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/16835535/
[14:25] <Sweet5hark> re (from lunch)
[14:25] <Sweet5hark> seb128: wrt SRU bugs -- will do
[14:25] <Trevinho> err http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/16835569/ ^
[14:27]  * Sweet5hark just made it home 1 minutes before thunderbolt and lightning
[15:00] <attente> seb128: hey
[15:00] <attente> seb128: have you seen this trello card? https://trello.com/c/oHKSPMPR/76-snapping-popular-apps
[15:47] <seb128> Sweet5hark, thanks
[15:47] <seb128> attente, hey
[15:48] <seb128> attente, no I didn't, thanks for pointing it out
[15:51] <attente> seb128: do any of those items seem easy for us to knock out? like talking to ubuntu gnome?
[15:52]  * Sweet5hark finds trello phletora of boards ... unhelpful. If there are cards with todos all over the place, that doesnt help having an overview of my current (and upcoming) workload at all.
[15:54] <Sweet5hark> hmm. I take that back trello.com/$ACCOUNT/cards seems good enough ...
[15:54] <seb128> lacks an aggregator as we had with the workitem server for blueprints
[15:54] <seb128> oh, there is one... :-)
[15:56] <seb128> attente, unsure, I would like to know who added those items, let's talk to willcooke tomorrow. But the "identify and implement interfaces" is wip we can say, I think Trevinho is working on Electron and hello-unity so those might be "done"
[15:56] <seb128> we can easily talk to Ubuntu GNOME but I doubt it's going to much useful until we address some of the issues like input methods or translations not working
[15:56] <Trevinho> seb128: hello unity is done per se, but the problem is that there are some install issues in that setup.py, so that it gets some local references
[15:57] <Trevinho> but the program itself should run
[15:57] <Trevinho> So, not sure if marking as done or not
[15:57] <seb128> k
[15:57] <Trevinho> however, I wasn't able to mark the that checkbox
[15:57] <seb128> let's discuss that with willcooke tomorrow
[16:09] <desrt> Trevinho: will take a look there in a moment.  In general, I don't expect the tracker to deal with invalid values.. but a critical would be better than a crash
[16:09] <Trevinho> desrt: yeah, i actually wanted to fire a critical... Which I didn't, as I wanted to know if you just prefer return or silently fail... So let me know
[16:10] <desrt> Critical.
[16:10] <desrt> It means that something else is wrong there.
[17:05] <andyrock> seb128: sorry i missed that ping... yeah i've already proposed a branch for xenial
[17:06] <andyrock> seb128: i added a whitelist
[17:08] <seb128> andyrock, I saw, thanks
[17:13] <seb128> Trevinho, do you want to do the y/usd landing since you have a keyboard to test it? (I don't)
[17:14] <andyrock> seb128: tbh i could not reproduce the regression here
[17:14] <andyrock> seb128: i asked Trevinho to test it
[17:14] <andyrock> XD
[17:15] <andyrock> it should just work
[17:15] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, I think it's something related to how the bios sends the events
[17:15] <Trevinho> seb128: what you get on acpi_listen when you keep it pressed?
[17:15] <seb128> Trevinho, I was speaking about usd and backlog
[17:15] <seb128> backlight
[17:16] <seb128> sorry, autofingers :p
[17:16] <Trevinho> ohhh sorry
[17:16] <Trevinho> seb128: I can do the landing ok
[17:16] <seb128> thanks
[17:16] <seb128> let me know if you need me to click buttons for you
[17:16] <seb128> I can also test the ppa
[17:16] <seb128> just not the backlight bits
[17:43] <Trevinho> andyrock: can you add also XF86KbdBrightnessUp and XF86KbdBrightnessDown to the whitelist?
[18:05] <andyrock> Trevinho: sure one second
[18:07] <andyrock> Trevinho: done
[18:07] <Trevinho> andyrock: thanks, SRU too?
[18:07] <andyrock> Trevinho: yup
[18:08] <Trevinho> awesoe
[18:08] <Trevinho> me*
[21:35] <Trevinho> seb128: I've sent upstream some gsd changes for the the kbd backlight, there are two versions of the patch we can wait them to choose which one they prefer before doing our landing too (bug is https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=767040)
[21:35] <Trevinho> silo is there by the way.


[02:51] <RussW> At startup I had a panel next to applications with system controls.  This has subsequently disappeared.  Is there a quick way to get that back?  (volume control among others)
[02:54] <tonyyarusso> do you have any idea what caused it to disappear?
[02:59] <RussW> no...I am new to ubuntu
[02:59] <RussW> (running Natty)
[03:02] <RussW> fortunately this is a dual boot box, and I could do a reinstall, but that is a lot of work to get the volume controls back...
[03:03] <RussW> the panel used to be next to the applications panel at the top of the screen
[03:03] <tonyyarusso> and now the panel is just blank?
[03:03] <tonyyarusso> ah, crud.  I don't even know how to fix this on Natty.  Whoops.
[03:04] <RussW> it is almost like that panel was deleted
[03:05] <RussW> I still have the panel in the install on my laptop, if that would help us isolate it
[03:08] <RussW> I'll boot it up in a minute or so
[03:13] <RussW> when I click about on the panel on the laptop it calls itself "Indicator Applet Complete 0.4.12"  I will look for that and see it I can reinstall or reinstate.  Any other ideas are welcome!
[03:20] <RussW> I have found and downloaded the applet from launchpad.  I will attempt to follow instructions to reinstall
[03:21] <RussW> thanks for trying to help anyway...You helped me think through it at least
[13:04] <ripps> dmesg


[12:59] <CaineThanatos> Happy new year , I have a little snafu, after upgrading xubuntu 22.04 to 22.10 , I can not install wine-stable / wine-staging anymore. it fails with message : The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[12:59] <CaineThanatos>  libasound2-plugins:i386 : Depends: libavcodec59:i386 (>= 7:5.0)
[13:00] <CaineThanatos> when I want to install  libavcodec59:i386 , it wants to remove 99% of the applications (xfce, docker, gimp, vlc, deadbeef, etc,...)
[13:01] <CaineThanatos> is this a normal behaviour for 22.10 and the issue lays with current version of wine?
[13:04] <CaineThanatos> or what I fear an issue with another PPA
[14:06] <heythere> Hi
[19:21] <CaineThanatos> evening, I posted earlier about the wine installation issue on xubuntu 22.10 (after upgrade from 22.04) I did a full reinstall and now no more problem.. :)


[12:45] <ubotu> New bug: #122705 in xorg (main) "Xorg Crash - Qt 4.3 OpenGL Programs" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122705
[01:45] <ubotu> New bug: #42554 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "With Radeon 7500, screen is always offset to the right" [Medium,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/42554
[02:06] <ubotu> New bug: #19890 in freeglut (main) "conquest-gl: fail to start (Assertion `window->Window.VisualInfo != ((void *)0)' failed.)" [Medium,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/19890
[05:21] <ubotu> New bug: #29920 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15 (restricted) "When idle and screensaver gets active. GLX becomes amazingly slow" [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/29920
[05:40] <ubotu> New bug: #57032 in xkeyboard-config (main) "Iraq keyboard layouts crash [Dapper] " [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/57032
[02:45] <ubotu> New bug: #122809 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "Suspend doesn't work with ati drivers and Radeon M9" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122809
[03:43] <ubotu> New bug: #122787 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "Video shows with a blue tinge" [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122787
[04:35] <ubotu> New bug: #77939 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "fglrx 3d rendering fails in kernel 2.6.20-3" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77939
[07:40] <ubotu> New bug: #121738 in firefox (main) "Font size in Firefox and Thunderbird (dup-of: 118745)" [Low,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121738
[09:15] <ubotu> New bug: #122886 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "Intel mobile graphics controller not detected on GMCHB0ICHB0" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122886
[10:49] <ubotu> New bug: #122327 in xorg (main) "Mauvaise frequence de rafraichissement d'ecran affiche  " [Low,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122327
[10:52] <jcristau> "Added a conflicts of libgl1-mesa-glx against libgl1-mesa-swx11, and vice versa" wtf? they both have Provides/Conflicts: libgl1
[10:54] <bryce> hobbsee had trouble getting it installed and added that to solve the conflict she had
[10:55] <jcristau> i don't understand
[10:55] <jcristau> i can't see how that would change anything
[11:03] <bryce> pulling up the irc convo, one sec
[11:09] <bryce> http://pastebin.ca/594285
[11:12] <jcristau> yeah, still don't understand how adding a redundant conflict would help
[11:12] <jcristau> libgl1-mesa-swx11-i686's shlibs are fucked up, though
[11:12] <bryce> I'm guessing it was due to installing via individual .debs rather than through apt, but I'm not sure
[11:12] <jcristau> yeah
[11:12] <jcristau> i'll fix the shlibs thingy in 7.0-1
[11:13] <bryce> does the change cause any issues?
[11:13] <jcristau> no, it's just useless
[11:17] <bryce> btw I found a minor bug in dexconf with xorg - there's a for loop missing its done.
[11:17] <bryce> line 473 or so
[11:18] <bryce> minor as in a one-line fix ;-)
[11:18] <bryce> major in terms of potential harm
[11:19] <jcristau> bryce: also, re: your mail on xorg@, see /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-core/NEWS.Debian.gz
[11:20] <bryce> jcristau: also I had a question - VMWare has sent me a handy util for detecting if the vmware mouse driver should be used instead of the mouse driver.  I'm wondering where the best place to house such a thing would be?  xorg-server/hw/xfree86/utils/ ?
[11:21] <bryce> ah, thanks.  "Disable"
[11:30] <pwnguin> so when should i expect 7.3 to hit gutsy?
[11:33] <bryce> pwnguin: well, according to http://www.x.org/wiki/Releases/7.3, upstream isn't going to release it until August
[11:33] <pwnguin> well then
[11:33] <bryce> pwnguin: however most of the components are being released individually, and we're integrating them as they come
[11:33] <kylem> we already have most of 7.3
[11:33] <pwnguin> what im interested in is the part where config files change
[11:34] <bryce> pwnguin: those are starting to filter in.  The next xorg I'm working on uploading will drop some sections from it
[11:34] <bryce> other sections will drop in time.
[11:35] <bryce> when xserver 1.4 is out (presumably by August), the input hotplugging will come, allowing much more to drop
[11:35] <pwnguin> im hoping it will make things like nv versus nvidia and wacom-tablets simpler to set up
[11:35] <bryce> yes, wacom will be a post-1.4 type thing
[11:35] <pwnguin> one of the KC lug members was moaning that xorg was generating too many errors because he didnt have a tablet
[11:35] <bryce> open vs. binary driver selection I'm less certain about
[11:36] <bryce> well, those are easy to fix - just comment out the wacom lines ;-)
[11:36] <jcristau> or ignore them
[11:36] <pwnguin> no kidding
[11:36] <pwnguin> ive recently had to fix some stuff related to tabletPC-ness
[11:36] <bryce> unfortunately, if we drop wacom from the generated xorg.conf's it turns the (harmless) error message into a bug for wacom users
[11:37] <pwnguin> but theres so many different kinds of wacom users
[11:37] <pwnguin> im not sure how to generalize the fix
[11:37] <bryce> in any case, I think everyone is looking forward to xserver 1.4, after which work can go into a proper fix, making wacom auto-detected on the fly
[11:38] <jcristau> bryce: well i'm not sure i consider "i don't want to have to configure xorg.conf for my tablet" more than a wishlist bug, but.
[11:39] <pwnguin> the problem is there's no documentation on how to configure it
[11:39] <pwnguin> nothing in /usr/share/doc worth while
[11:40] <bryce> jcristau: heh, well this was a decision made before my time, but see no reason to change it
[11:41] <bryce> actually in joining canonical, getting rid of that wacom section was at the top of my todo list; I was rather bummed to find it'll have to wait until after input hotplugging
[11:41] <pwnguin> you could always add a script to wacom-tools that munges xorg.conf ;)
[11:43] <pwnguin> it seems that wacom currently doesn't detect my tablet PC as a tablet PC, because i have to specificy what the manpage says is a default
[11:43] <jcristau> bryce: yeah, if the current section works for your users, it's probably fine
[11:44] <bryce> I created a dexconf patch for any users that really, really want to eliminate it
[11:46] <bryce> jcristau: for tools that assist in detecting input devices, what would be the right package to put them in?  Would I be ok in patching them into xorg-server/hw/xfree86/utils/ ?
[11:46] <jcristau> i don't know
[11:46] <jcristau> probably not, if it's not going upstream
[11:48] <bryce> assuming the need for the tool will be made obsolete by input hotplugging, I doubt it will be important to push it upstream to xorg.
[11:48] <bryce> but I'd like to put it in a sensible place in case e.g. debian may want it
[11:48] <jcristau> probably in the xorg package then
[11:48] <bryce> ok
[11:49] <jcristau> (as in source package)
[11:49] <bryce> it's compiled .c code
[11:49] <jcristau> not sure which .deb
[11:49] <bryce> I notice xorg/debian/local/ contains scripts, so wasn't sure that was a good place for it
[11:50] <jcristau> it also contains xserver-wrapper.c
[11:59] <kylem> bryce, what's the symptom of this broken loop
[12:01] <jcristau> dexconf is 439 lines long here
[12:01] <jcristau> so i can't really see which line 473 you're talking about :)
[12:02] <bryce> sorry, that was the ubuntu-ized version
[12:04] <jcristau> anyway, in our version i see one for loop, and it's correct afaics
[12:05] <bryce> ok well maybe I'm on crack.  I'll take another look and see where it slipped in.


[01:55] <charco> Hi! I am having a bug with the brightness after the latests update. Can anyone help me report it :) ?
[02:23] <charco> anyone :( ?
[02:23] <charco> I want to report the bug but don't know which package is the broken one


[07:53] <dholbach> good morning
[08:25] <dholbach> I'm going to walk over to my old office - see you in a bit
[10:08] <cjohnston> mornin
[10:51] <AlanBell> OMG isn't feeling the juju love at the moment
[10:53] <nigelb> ouch
[10:53] <czajkowski> AlanBell: oh getting a 503 here
[10:55] <nigelb> I think the load balancer is failing. I could be wrong.
[11:55] <marcoceppi> AlanBell: Not a juju problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/+bug/877894
[11:55] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 877894 in psmisc "fuser forks and never reaps its children (dup-of: 876387)" [High,Confirmed]
[11:55] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 876387 in psmisc "fuser forking uncontrollably in cron job" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[11:56] <nigelb> ouch
[11:58] <AlanBell> interesting
[11:59] <AlanBell> wordpress + apache on 11.10 is known to be faily
[12:00] <popey> +1
[12:00] <popey> well, on 10.04 too
[12:02] <marcoceppi> I haven't had problems with WP (upstream) on any ubuntu servers. The archive version is just a bit...weird. I can see it's use case but it's seldom used for what it's intended use is.
[12:03] <AlanBell> I think it is a different problem we have seen with wordpress, it used masses of disk IO or something
[12:03] <cprofitt> faily?
[12:03] <czajkowski> it fails
[12:03] <AlanBell> don't think I would use the archive wordpress
[12:03] <czajkowski> faily
[12:03] <cprofitt> nice word AlanBell
[12:04] <cprofitt> I like it!
[12:04] <popey> I have had wordpress + mysql + apache on 10.04 consume vast amounts of RAM, and the Linux OOM-killer kicks in and kills everything critical like mysql
[12:05] <marcoceppi> wouldn't be surprised if it was the above bug. 16GB of ram on these containers and I was getting memory warnings in shell trying to run uptime.
[12:09] <nigelb> popey: bbah.
[12:09] <nigelb> what's consuming ram, apache or mysql?
[12:09] <nigelb> (any idea?)
[12:10] <cjohnston> jcastro: ping
[12:10] <popey> nigelb: apache
[12:10] <popey> but that could be php
[12:11] <nigelb> yeah. Hrm.
[12:12] <nigelb> that most probably would be PHP.
[12:12] <cprofitt> I strongly disllke memory leaks... they are not fun to trace down
[12:12] <popey> i switched to lighttpd
[12:12] <popey> no more OOM errors
[12:12] <nigelb> Nice.
[12:12] <popey> not really
[12:12] <cprofitt> +1
[12:12] <popey> i dont know exactly what the issue is
[12:13] <nigelb> but, well, something with mod-php now.
[12:13]  * popey shrugs
[12:14] <nigelb> I remember we had random OOM from harvest a few months back.
[12:14] <nigelb> Drove, dholbach, cjohnston, mhall119, and me crazy for a few weeks.
[12:14] <nigelb> There was nothing wrong with code :/
[12:15] <cjohnston> spiders
[12:15] <cjohnston> iirc yahoo
[12:15] <nigelb> yeah, but spiders don't usually bring a website down.
[12:17] <cprofitt> has anyone ever used cacti to graph the memory consumption on these?
[12:18] <s-fox> Hello.
[12:18] <cprofitt> it would be interesting to see if it was a gradual memory climb to OOM or a spike
[12:18] <nigelb> cprofitt: Not cacti, but something else which graphs it. IIRC IS did something.
[12:18] <nigelb> And yes, it was a huge spike.
[12:18] <nigelb> s-fox: Hi!
[12:18] <s-fox> Hello nigelb
[12:18] <s-fox> How are you?
[12:19] <cprofitt> makes it sound  like a specific process over a slow memory leak
[12:19] <nigelb> Good. You? Good weekend?
[12:19] <nigelb> cprofitt: Yeah. It was the spidering that did us in then. Not sure how or why though.
[12:19] <nigelb> We did the hacky thing of blocking spiders.
[12:19]  * cprofitt nods
[12:19] <s-fox> nigelb,  Busy, glad it is monday
[12:26] <marcoceppi> popey nigelb it's a problem with the libapache2-mod-php5 package
[12:26] <marcoceppi> it has a cron that, doesn't quite worok
[12:26] <marcoceppi> work, even.
[12:33] <popey> marcoceppi: how so?
[13:27] <cjohnston> anyone know what wiki page talks about creating blueprints for UDS?
[13:27] <cjohnston> my searches are coming up blank
[13:28] <cprofitt> I did not know a wiki page existed for that
[13:28] <cprofitt> I just copied what I saw in others last cycle
[13:29] <cprofitt> cjohnston: found one for Linaro
[13:29] <cprofitt> https://wiki.linaro.org/Process/Blueprints
[13:30] <cjohnston> ya.. lookin for the UDS one
[13:30] <cjohnston> different tracks
[13:30] <cprofitt> http://summit.readthedocs.org/en/latest/scheduling.html
[13:30] <cprofitt> that one help?
[13:30] <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS/Scheduling ?
[13:31] <jcastro> cjohnston, pong
[13:31] <cjohnston> jcastro: RT replied about the mailing list
[13:35] <cjohnston> jcastro: as long as we can completly control who is on the list, I'm fine with it
[13:35] <jcastro> awesome
[13:35] <jcastro> let's do it?
[13:35] <jcastro> cjohnston, I'm more worried about summit for LF today
[13:35] <jcastro> what's up with that?
[13:35] <cjohnston> your fine with it being lists.ubuntu.com?
[13:35] <cjohnston> waiting on m_3
[13:45] <jcastro> sure
[13:46] <jcastro> hey, have we picked crew yet for UDS?
[13:46] <cjohnston> no.. do you have a list of who is willing?
[13:47] <jcastro> I am not sure
[13:48] <cjohnston> lol
[13:48] <cjohnston> That would help
[13:49] <cjohnston> I don't have that access
[14:49] <technoviking> any reason empathy update not coming though in precise?
[14:50] <dholbach> technoviking, do you 'upgrade' or 'dist-upgrade'?
[14:50] <technoviking> dist-upgrade, keeps wanting to remove stuff, been over a week
[14:50] <dholbach> what does it want to remove?
[14:51] <dholbach> technoviking, ^
[14:52] <technoviking> will remove empathy and ubuntu-desktop if I diet-upgrade
[14:52] <s9iper1> technoviking:what happen ? when have you last updated?
[14:53] <technoviking> Thursday, and this morning, have had the empathy problem for about a week though
[14:53] <dholbach> oh that's weird
[14:53] <dholbach> can you paste the output of apt-get somewhere?
[14:53] <technoviking> i'm using the unity ppa
[14:55] <s9iper1> technoviking: can you confirm your version ?
[14:55] <technoviking> unity?
[14:55] <s9iper1> no empathy version
[14:58] <technoviking> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/890748/
[14:58] <technoviking> Empathy 3.3.5
[15:02] <dholbach> technoviking, what happens if you just want to install libtelepathy-farstream2?
[15:03] <dholbach> technoviking, to me it looks like ubuntu-desktop will be removed because of unity2d
[15:03] <dholbach> so unrelated to the telepathy stuff
[15:04] <technoviking> may work http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/890761/
[15:04] <jcastro> mhall119, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+upstreamreport
[15:05] <dholbach> technoviking, yes, that's fine
[15:06] <mhall119> jcastro: ugh, this is going to be an Launchpad task then isn't it?
[15:06] <jcastro> yeah
[15:06] <jcastro> I don't think anyone's working on it either
[15:07] <dholbach> technoviking, it's the farsight update, and telepathy-butterfly is not necessary - you can do MSN via telepathy-haze
[15:07] <jcastro> but hey, at least we don't have to worry about graphs for the next 2 weeks!
[15:07] <jcastro> dholbach, high five!
[15:07] <dholbach> where is the bong?
[15:07]  * dholbach hugs jcastro
[15:07] <technoviking> aaahh thanks dholbach
[15:07] <dholbach> btw - did you see https://plus.google.com/109795858099658821877/posts/DrSHhThorBV?
[15:07] <dholbach> I HAVE to see it again
[15:08] <jcastro> dholbach, hah, that's old
[15:08] <technoviking> jcastro: test forums looks fine except for lp login, working on mobile theme
[15:08] <dholbach> I saw it last night for the first time
[15:08] <jcastro> I like how you retweeted it with the @ubuntudevelopers account too, nice!
[15:08] <dholbach> I nearly wet my pants - it's SO funny
[15:08] <dholbach> that was an embarassing mistake
[15:09] <dholbach> I was still tired from the evening before - I helped Fam to tear down her set until midnight - I noticed I'm not used to that kind of work anymore :-P
[15:12] <jcastro> dholbach, http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/mar/18/helium-party-balloons-squandered
[15:12] <dholbach> wow
[15:12] <dholbach> "In other words we wasted £90,000 because we couldn't get any helium. Yet we put the stuff into party balloons and let them float off into the upper atmosphere, or we use it to make our voices go squeaky for a laugh.  It makes me really angry."
[15:13] <dholbach> I guess that scientist wouldn't +1 the video then ;-)
[15:15] <snap-l> WE just need to find a star to suck the helium off of
[15:15] <snap-l> and hope we're not too close when it goes nova. :)
[15:16] <dholbach> I'm sure Mark can do it as part of his next space flight
[15:17] <mhall119> snap-l: we have a handy star nearby that's literally dumping helium on us
[15:18] <jcastro> hey popey, pleia2
[15:19] <popey> yo?
[15:19] <jcastro> wrt to planet syndication
[15:19] <jcastro> in the past we (cloud.u.c) syndicate from non members
[15:19] <snap-l> mhall119: I'd rather not depleate the star next to us. That would be bad. ;)
[15:19] <jcastro> and had that auto going to planet
[15:19] <jcastro> which wasn't good
[15:19] <jcastro> however
[15:19] <jcastro> I just did one from a guy who is at Canonical but I don't think he's a member but I think is useful for the community
[15:20] <jcastro> it's an announcement for cloud day in Bangalore
[15:20] <mhall119> snap-l: it's being blown out of the sun into the solar system
[15:20] <mhall119> it won't miss it if we scoop up what's around us
[15:20] <jcastro> can I, as a project member just say "you know what, this is useful for the community" and just post it?
[15:20] <jcastro> or will someone complain?
[15:20] <popey> if you are a member you can put what you think is appropriate for p.u.c IMO
[15:21] <jcastro> ok excellent so if the guy who loves removing stuff thinks its ok then woo
[15:21] <popey> ☺
[15:21]  * snap-l reminds himself he needs Ubuntu Membership
[15:22] <snap-l> mhall119: Quick! Put the helium back into the sun, or it'll esplode!
[15:22] <snap-l> ;)
[15:23] <mhall119> uh, yeah, I'll leave that to you.  Too hot for my taste
[15:23] <jono> hey folks
[15:24] <dholbach> hey jono
[15:24] <jono> hey dholbach
[15:24] <dholbach> jono, suitcase packed?
[15:25] <jono> dholbach, not yet, about to start
[15:25] <dholbach> enjoy it :-)
[15:25] <jono> it takes me about 5mins to pack :-)
[15:25] <jono> unlike a certain small woman I live with :-)
[15:25] <jono> thanks dholbach
[15:26] <AlanBell> one day you will arrive somewhere and discover you case contains nothing but a hotdog outfit
[15:26] <snap-l> jono: Going on the Severed Fifth world tour?
[15:26] <jono> AlanBell, haha
[15:26] <jono> snap-l, not quite, just a vacation :-)
[15:26] <snap-l> jono: You get those?
[15:26] <jono> snap-l, well, I had no say in this one
[15:27] <jono> snap-l, my father in law is taking the family away
[15:27]  * jono is packing a router, laptop, and tablet though :-)
[15:27] <snap-l> jono: Psh... you always have a vote. You've just been outvoted. ;)
[15:27] <jono> snap-l, of course I don't have a vote, you haven't met him :-)
[15:27] <snap-l> jono: Awesome. Where are you headed?
[15:27] <jono> but I am not complaining :-)
[15:27] <jono> snap-l, Italy
[15:28] <jono> we have family over there
[15:28] <snap-l> jono: Ask for non-smoking. ;)
[15:28] <jono> hah
[15:29] <snap-l> Seriously, though, that's awesome. Friend of ours went there recently and had a blast.
[15:29] <jono> yeah, I am looking forward to it, will be nice to have some time off
[15:29] <snap-l> And their mochas are awesome.
[15:29] <jono> been a while
[15:29] <jono> :-)
[15:29] <czajkowski> food in italy +++
[15:29] <czajkowski> nyommy
[15:29] <jono> so just wrapping up some things before I head
[15:29] <czajkowski> holidays++
[15:30] <snap-l> jono: Got the mp3 player loaded up?
[15:30] <jono> snap-l, pretty much, I am going to be packed with electronic gear
[15:30] <jono> :-)
[15:30] <jono> brb
[15:30] <snap-l> laterness.
[15:31] <dholbach> jono, did you see the newest http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/1glance-sponsoring/? I'm sure you're more excited about the holidays, but I thought I'd show you anyway :-)
[15:31] <snap-l> http://spiralmountain.bandcamp.com/album/spiralmountain <- Pick this up if you have some room
[15:32] <jono> dholbach, wow!
[15:32] <dholbach> thought you might like it :)
[15:33] <jono> that is wonderful!
[15:33] <jono> great work, dholbach! :-)
[15:33] <dholbach> that wasn't not only my work - let's hope we keep the number down until you get back ;-)
[15:33] <jono> sounds good :-)
[15:34] <mhall119> jono: also before you leave: http://mhall119.com/2012/03/contributing-to-unity-for-artists-svg-icons/
[15:34] <jono> mhall119, I saw that, that looks great :-)
[15:34] <jono> looks like everyone is firing on all cylinders :-)
[15:39] <cjohnston> mornin jono
[15:40] <jono> hey cjohnston
[15:43] <technoviking> jcastro: ok forums upgrade ticket updated with current status.
[15:44] <jcastro> nice!
[15:45] <cprofitt> nice mhall119 -- I will point the few artsists I know at that.
[15:45] <mhall119> cprofitt: awesome, thanks!
[15:46] <czajkowski> technoviking: thank you
[15:50] <s-fox> Thank you for the update technoviking :)
[15:54] <jcastro> technoviking, ok I panged stuart metcalfe, he did the SSO thing before.
[15:54] <jcastro> pinged, or whatever the word is
[15:56] <s-fox> Hey jcastro, did you have a good weekend?
[15:56] <jcastro> yeah, worked on OMG. :)
[15:56] <s-fox> Oh, writing an article or something?
[15:57] <mhall119> s-fox: fixing it
[15:59] <jcastro> almost done jujufying it
[15:59] <jcastro> actually marcoceppi did all the work.
[15:59] <jcastro> he's just a ninja like that
[15:59] <s-fox> mhall119,  Didn't know it was broken, then again I don't tend to look at that site very often ;)
[15:59] <cjohnston> broken isnt the correct word I don't think
[16:00] <s-fox> Perhaps improving should have been used instead of fixing :)
[16:00] <s-fox> How are you cjohnston , good weekend ?
[16:01] <cjohnston> fixing is right.. broken isnt.. heh  whats beyond broken
[16:01] <cjohnston> not too bad.. you?
[16:01] <bkerensa> jcastro: OMG is down again? =/
[16:01] <bkerensa> ;p
[16:02] <bkerensa> oh nvm they are just lagging
[16:02] <jcastro> we ran into a php bug
[16:02] <jcastro> and some setup issues
[16:02] <jcastro> but imbrandon is on the case
[16:02] <jcastro> and he's working with marco to make the entire setup be not so 1990s
[16:03] <bkerensa> :D
[16:03] <bkerensa> jcastro: is/he/someone going to change the dns so it doesnt show aws hostname?
[16:03] <bkerensa> :D
[16:03] <jcastro> that was fixed a while back
[16:04] <jcastro> flush your cache
[16:04] <jcastro> it's caching
[16:11] <jcastro> technoviking, #Canonical-isd on freenode please, see stuartm
[16:11] <jcastro> hurry! he EODs soon!
[16:17] <technoviking> there now
[16:18] <technoviking> sorry my boss need to see me for a few minutes
[16:43] <dholbach> alright, I'll walk back home again - see you later
[16:51] <technoviking> jcastro: I'm so close with SSO on vB4 I can taste it
[16:53] <jcastro> yeah baby!
[17:56] <s-fox> Going running, goodbye
[20:34] <jussi> jono disappeard already? :(
[20:40] <cjohnston> jussi: he's on vacation
[20:40] <jussi> oh


[06:39] <flocculant> bluesabre: I assume we'll be letting people upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04 knowing that there is the cursor bug?
[06:40] <flocculant> I'll mail testers when infinity has respun if we are
[06:44] <ax562> flocculant cursor bug?
[06:44] <flocculant> yes the invisible cursor issue
[06:58] <ax562> I don't thinks I have noticed it
[06:59] <flocculant> ax562: if you used intel you would
[07:03] <ax562> well I've thrown xubuntu on quiet a bit of intel machines
[07:03] <ax562> is that in terminal?
[07:03] <flocculant> bug 1568604
[07:04] <ax562> hmmm
[07:05] <ax562> I have another lappy here that is an i7.  Plan on throwing xubuntu 16.04 on it tomorrow.  I can verify it.
[07:05] <flocculant> mmm
[07:05] <flocculant> no real need to verify it - ~400 people have done that ;)
[07:06] <ax562> lol
[07:07] <ax562> let me know if I can help
[07:07] <ax562> :)
[07:08] <flocculant> Unit193 or bluesabre would know the exact requirement - but we apparently need the driver bisected to see which commit solves the problem :)
[07:08] <flocculant> so if you can help with that I'm sure they'll be happy bunnies
[07:09] <flocculant> morning ochosi ;)
[07:09] <ax562> ok...I would have to really dig in deep to figure out what the details of the bug are
[10:36] <bluesabre> ax562: yes, please help if at all possible
[10:36] <bluesabre> I'm a bit lacking on the intel front, and none of the commits jump out and say "aha!"
[10:36] <bluesabre> it
[10:37] <bluesabre> 's almost certainly more than a single commit that is responsible for the fix
[10:38] <akxwi-dave> just dragged out a Lenovo dual core withintel to test stuff like that as well.
[10:41] <ax562> bluesabre ok, I will try my best.  I wont have the machine until tomorrow.  I think I had 12.04 on it but not sure.
[10:46] <ax562> lol It's already tomorrow...later today I meant
[11:18] <flocculant> bluesabre: I assume that no comment means yes we'll release .1 even though it's no good for intel
[11:49] <bluesabre> flocculant: yeah, I think so
[11:50] <bluesabre> we can offer suggestions to alleviate it, replacing light-locker with xscreensaver or gnome-screensaver for instance
[11:50] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbl
[13:06] <Tims_Tech> is here the devil ?
[13:20] <akxwi-dave> The iso's for xenial 16.04.1 are not available from the link on the tracker
[15:45] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: I know - and -release will if they read what I said
[15:48] <akxwi-dave> :-)
[15:49] <flocculant> not sure they did
[15:49] <flocculant> they'll wake up when there's no results for anyone
[16:05] <akxwi-dave> will they.. look what happened with the last install bug.. :-)
[16:07] <flocculant> well the same thing's been said on the -release mailing list too so ...
[16:07] <flocculant> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2016-July/003807.html
[16:09] <akxwi-dave> lol lets see then.. if theuy are ready tonight/tomorrow, I'll give them a bash
[16:09] <flocculant> you can get to the iso - you just need to fiddle about a bit
[16:11] <akxwi-dave> time to go. .. and hit the rush hour traffice in 31 deg heat..  cya later
[16:11] <flocculant> have fun
[16:12] <akxwi-dave> cheers
[21:05] <ochosi> flocculant: evening flocculant :)
[22:14] <flocculant> hah touche (acute lingy thing)


[00:02] <jose> moving to wiki in progress
[00:34] <jose> email sent off to editors
[00:34] <jose> Unit193: hey, mind link checking?
[00:34] <jose> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue367
[01:04] <Unit193> jose: Awwh, how boring, all links seem fine.
[01:09] <jose> Unit193: thanks! :P
[01:22]  * pleia2 gets in some editorial review
[01:37] <pleia2> thoughts on this article? http://indiaeducationdiary.in/Shownews.asp?newsid=29204
[01:41] <pleia2> it's not a great piece and I kind of wonder about its origin, but it's not /bad/
[02:27] <jose> pleia2: checking...
[02:28] <jose> not sure if it's an 'authentic' article
[02:28] <pleia2> yeah
[02:29] <pleia2> and it looks pretty patched together
[02:36] <jose> this time it's a -1 on my side for that article
[02:36] <pleia2> wfm
[22:26] <silverlion> hi there


[00:15] <bancroft> ravage: I tried your suggestions, here are the results. Not only did none of the changes work, but even running 1.8.31 on ubuntu 22.04 thanks to the PPA didn't work with the same error
[00:17] <bancroft> when I comparedthe libraries they appear to be the same, now i'm about to try 1.8.31 on ubuntu 18 for sanity
[00:31] <Bazyar> hello!
[00:31] <bancroft> ok so 1.8.31 works on ubuntu 18.04 but not on 22.04 :/
[00:31] <Bazyar> I couldn't find a channel for just Microstack, what would the best channel for support be?
[00:33] <arraybolt3> Bazyar: Probably an Openstack-related channel.
[00:34] <arraybolt3> #openstack might be it.
[00:34] <arraybolt3> If nothing else, they may be able to point you to the right channel.
[00:39] <Bazyar> I'll try there, thanks!
[04:38] <wingarmac> Hi all !
[04:39] <wingarmac> Can anyone help me with a wireguard issue on ubuntu server 22.04 ? I can reach with pings any computer of my VPN (even one on another ISP nat router) but my mobile phone connected on mobile data doesn't response back
[04:39] <wingarmac> any clue ?
[04:39] <wingarmac> I've a fixed public IP on my isp nat router
[04:40] <wingarmac> My server is the only to retain all peers
[04:40] <arraybolt3> wingarmac: Can you describe better what you're trying to do? I can't tell if you're pinging from or to your mobile phone.
[04:40] <wingarmac> the others have only the server as peers
[04:40] <arraybolt3> Like, are you trying to use your phone to connect to your VPN and then ping systems on the VPN network?
[04:40] <wingarmac> I ping from server to pĥone with its VPN IP
[04:41] <arraybolt3> Are you sure your phone is even able to ping back?
[04:41] <arraybolt3> I don't know if Android (or whatever else) is able to send ICMP packets.
[04:41] <wingarmac> No, I'm not sure how it works on a mobile
[04:41] <arraybolt3> I'm assuming your phone is on the VPN network.
[04:41] <wingarmac> yes
[04:42] <wingarmac> I've made simillar settings as for the distant computer that works and is behind his own isp nat router
[04:43] <wingarmac> I just gave him a new IP and added his identity to the peers on the server
[04:43] <arraybolt3> Do you have physical access to the phone at the moment?
[04:43] <wingarmac> yes, all the devices mentioned
[04:43] <arraybolt3> I'm suspecting that if all devices other than the phone work, it may be because your phone isn't designed to be pinged, in which case it's expected that you're not able to ping it.
[04:43] <arraybolt3> I'd take the phone, disconnect it from the VPN, enable its hotspot, connect to it with your laptop so that they're on the same local network, then try pinging it.
[04:43] <wingarmac> any other way to see if the communication is working right ?
[04:43] <arraybolt3> Or connect them both to the same physical network and try pinging it.
[04:44] <arraybolt3> wingarmac: You could install an SSH server app maybe.
[04:44] <arraybolt3> Then try to SSH into the phone.
[04:44] <arraybolt3> But we're getting a bit beyond Ubuntu support and into Android support at this point (assuming it's an Android phone) :P
[04:44] <wingarmac> The goal is to be able to reach it when its on mobile data. So I do not understand why I should do that ?
[04:45] <arraybolt3> wingarmac: You need to know if the phone is even able to send ICMP packets in response to a ping. If it can't do that even under ideal conditions, then of course it won't do it over a VPN.
[04:45] <arraybolt3> If the phone won't respond to pings, it's expected that it won't respond to pings in any circumstance.
[04:45] <wingarmac> okay, I understand, and it is right. This is more wireguard related as ubuntu itself, since the other devices work
[04:45] <arraybolt3> Makes sense.
[04:46] <arraybolt3> If you *are* able to ping the phone when your device and phone are on the same physical network, then we probably have a problem with either how the phone connects to the VPN, or possibly with the server.
[04:46] <wingarmac> I'll wait t'ill someone answers on the wireguard channel in that case ... No choice.
[04:46] <arraybolt3> (Though if the phone does respond to pings when its on the same physical network, I would suspect the VPN app that you're using on the phone as the next likely culprit. Perhaps it blocks ICMP traffic.
[04:47] <arraybolt3> wingarmac: If you install an SSH server app onto the phone, you can then try to SSH to the phone's IP and that will test the connection.
[04:47] <wingarmac> I remember I could ping my phone when It was not on VPN but on wifi lan normal. So the suposition about ICM packets isn't right. I'll try it again to be sure
[04:48] <wingarmac> arraybolt3 I'll try that to
[04:50] <wingarmac> arraybolt3 you see, when I connect the mobile (VPN disabled everywhere) on wifi to my lan, I can use the ping. So it isn't the phone that is not able to respond.
[04:50] <wingarmac> It's something that goes wrong to get the packets to the server somehow
[04:52] <wingarmac> arraybolt3 but when I put the phone on mobile data, I go to whatsmyip.com and try to ping my server to this IP, It is stuck
[04:53] <wingarmac> So I presume their is some kind of blocking on the mobile data side.
[04:54] <wingarmac> I wonder how it works for other VPN services. Since I've tested NordVPN before, and it did work even when my phone was on mobile data. I could ping to it.
[04:55] <wingarmac> So I presume I'll continue my search. Maybe a small dns service could do the trick. Like dsnmasq.
[04:55] <arraybolt3> wingarmac: For some reason I thought this was a VPN you controlled.
[04:56] <arraybolt3> If you're trying to ping a phone from a laptop with the phone on mobile data and both devices on a VPN owned by someone else entirely, then it's probably a problem with whatever VPN service you're using, in which case you'd want to ask them for help.
[04:56] <wingarmac> arraybolt3 what do you mean by that ? "I thought this was a VPN you controlled."
[04:57] <arraybolt3> wingarmac: I meant, I thought you were running a VPN server on an Ubuntu Server instance and were connecting to it, thus why this was an Ubuntu Server problem.
[04:57] <arraybolt3> I'm probably missing something about the setup here, but without knowing what you're trying to do and what your setup looks like, I won't be able to give very meaningful help.
[04:57] <wingarmac> arraybolt3 You're wrong. The laptop is peer 3 and the mobile phone is peer 4
[04:58] <arraybolt3> Yeah I don't know what that means :P
[04:58] <arraybolt3> Start from the top. What all is between your computer and your phone? A server you own? A VPN service? A combination of the two?
[04:59] <arraybolt3> What does "peer 3" and "peer 4" mean? What are peers 1 and 2, and how do they play into your setup?
[05:01] <wingarmac> https://ibb.co/CmfKMYB This is working on VPN, I now want to add my mobile to the same private network (please do not complicate it with the FQDN for now, just adding the mobile to the VPN is the intention now)
[05:01] <wingarmac> using its mobile data connection
[05:02] <arraybolt3> OK, and lan1 is trying to ping the phone?
[05:02] <wingarmac> srv
[05:02] <arraybolt3> Ah, OK.
[05:03] <arraybolt3> And is srv a VPN server or no?
[05:03] <arraybolt3> I'm just trying to figure out how srv factors into the equation other than being the machine you're trying to ping from.
[05:04] <wingarmac> Since wireguard is peer to peer, I can't realy call it a server, but yes, since it is the only one that has all peer keys into his setup and should be the center for all.
[05:04] <arraybolt3> OK, that makes sense. I think I get it now.
[05:04] <wingarmac> the other peers have only the server in the peer section of the wireguard conf file
[05:05] <arraybolt3> So how are you connecting the phone to the VPN?
[05:05] <arraybolt3> I'm assuming you're using the WireGuard app.
[05:06] <wingarmac> I've copied the same setup for it as the wan1 in the picture, but change the IP and keys for the respective unit.
[05:07] <wingarmac> since it is also on a distant connection it has the local IP range of my network added a secondary in the AllowedIPs =
[05:07] <wingarmac> example AllowedIPs = <IP_ADDRESS>/32,<IP_ADDRESS>/24
[05:08] <wingarmac> This has worked for the wan1
[05:08] <wingarmac> but doesn't seem to solve the issue for the mobile
[05:08] <arraybolt3> OK so, your "server" has all the peer keys and is the "center" server, this may be silly but did you remember to add your phone to the server's config?
[05:08] <arraybolt3> I'm guessing you did.
[05:08] <wingarmac> I did of course. It's not like I have an all fleet to manage
[05:10] <arraybolt3> I'd start by testing things with an SSH Android app. Android doesn't let any apps run as root, so I'm wondering if maybe Wireguard is somehow not allowed to send the ICMP traffic to the Android OS underneath. But an SSH app will use a port high enough to not require root access to bind to, and might work? This is a shot in the dark, I've never used Wireguard, but that's my current suspicion.
[05:11] <wingarmac> I'll take a closer look to this SSH Android app
[05:12] <arraybolt3> I've personally used this one before: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.galexander.sshd&hl=en_US&gl=US
[05:12] <wingarmac> will putty ssh do it? there are so many ...
[05:13] <wingarmac> don't you have a suggestion?
[05:13] <arraybolt3> You need a *server* app.
[05:13] <arraybolt3> I use SimpleSSHD, which I linked to above.
[05:13] <arraybolt3> *used
[05:17] <wingarmac> installed, what or how should I use it to debug the problem ?
[05:18] <wingarmac> I did just re-enable wireguard on both and opened SimpleSSHD
[05:19] <arraybolt3> wingarmac: Try SSH'ing into the phone now.
[05:20] <arraybolt3> You don't need to actually log in, you just need to see if the connection can be established.
[05:22] <wingarmac> On the mobile the server is started. I did ssh vpn_IP_mobile -p 5555 on the server side but nothing happens.
[05:23] <arraybolt3> And the server is on port 5555? I expected it would be on 2222.
[05:23] <wingarmac> yes
[05:23] <wingarmac> vpn is set to use 5555
[05:23] <arraybolt3> OK, so that probably means all incoming traffic is being blocked.
[05:23] <wingarmac> I think so to
[05:24] <arraybolt3> wingarmac: But which port is SimpleSSHD set to listen on?
[05:24] <wingarmac> how to see that ?
[05:24] <arraybolt3> There should be a Settings button somewhere. (Sorry, been a while since I've used it and I don't have a phone anymore so I can't test it.)
[05:24] <wingarmac> I see only IP's on screen and start/stop button
[05:25] <arraybolt3> There isn't a triple-dots somewhere in the upper-right corner?
[05:25] <arraybolt3> Or near the top of the screen?
[05:25] <wingarmac> I need to set it on the same port as VPN ?
[05:25] <arraybolt3> Doesn't the VPN basically join the phone to the same network as the othr machines?
[05:26] <arraybolt3> I'd try to SSH to the phone using it's IP on the Wireguard network.
[05:26] <wingarmac> yes, no error its connected
[05:26] <arraybolt3> Oh. That may be the problem all along.
[05:26] <arraybolt3> If you're going to whatismyip to find the phone's IP, that probably won't work - it will show the public IP of your router most likely.
[05:27] <arraybolt3> You'd have to find what IP the Wireguard network has assigned to the phone.
[05:27] <wingarmac> The wan IP you mean by that ?
[05:27] <arraybolt3> wingarmac: Did you mention whatismyip earlier?
[05:27] <arraybolt3> Sorry, I'm tried and losing track of things.
[05:27] <arraybolt3> *tired
[05:28] <arraybolt3> wingarmac: Blah. You know what I'm trying to say. Try to SSH to the phone using it's Wireguard IP and the port that SimpleSSHD is listening on (probably port 2222). So change the -p 5555 to -p 2222 and see if that works.
[05:28] <arraybolt3> (I'm getting frustrated with myself, not you.)
[05:28] <wingarmac> Well when opening SimpleSSHD, it shows my LAN range VPN IP and a public IP, I presume its the one you're talking wbout
[05:29] <arraybolt3> Yeah.
[05:29] <arraybolt3> Most likely.
[05:29] <wingarmac> arraybolt3 I do not mind, you're kind helping me. That's enough to be greatfull
[05:29] <arraybolt3> Thanks :)
[05:31] <wingarmac>  ssh <IP_ADDRESS> -p 2222
[05:31] <wingarmac> ssh: connect to host <IP_ADDRESS> port 2222: No route to host
[05:31] <wingarmac> root@ubserv:~# ssh <IP_ADDRESS> -p 2222
[05:31] <wingarmac> ^C
[05:32] <wingarmac> the last command just get stuck, I did CTRL+C
[05:32] <arraybolt3> Blah. OK, no route to host... /me looks up what that means, I've seen this before
[05:34] <arraybolt3> Yeah so basically it's saying that the phone can't be found on the network. Shocker.
[05:34] <arraybolt3> So here's a question - from the phone, can you ping the server?
[05:34] <arraybolt3> Over the VPN.
[05:35] <arraybolt3> I'm wondering if maybe the Wireguard app is only meant to allow outgoing connections and not incoming ones.
[05:36] <wingarmac> https://ibb.co/txt1yhK is what I get on the mobile
[05:37] <wingarmac> I tried both IP4 wan and lan, but none did work.
[05:37] <wingarmac> How do I ping from the mobile to the server ?
[05:38] <arraybolt3> wingarmac: Hmm, right, because the phone doesn't have `ping` built in most likely...
[05:40] <arraybolt3> Blah. There's an app on F-Droid called Termux that will let you run Linux terminal commands on the phone, but I don't know how much you want to trust a random Internet stranger's recommendation to download a random app that isn't in Google Play.
[05:40] <arraybolt3> https://termux.dev/en/ if you are interested.
[05:40] <arraybolt3> (The Google Play version is outdated and not recommended.)
[05:40] <wingarmac> It's installing
[05:41] <wingarmac> By the way, do you think that I could solve it with the use of DNSmasq. Since I will need to attach my domainname to my private network, I presume I'll need to install it. Isn't it ?
[05:42] <wingarmac> So I thought the solution might cme with the setup of it as aninternal DNS server on lan
[05:43] <arraybolt3> I have no idea if another server will fix it.
[05:44] <arraybolt3> I have very limited experience with most of this and am mostly resorting to universal troubleshooting tactics.
[05:44] <wingarmac> it will route the packets to the right computer after entering the nat router. That's what I've been told.
[05:45] <wingarmac> I thought I could prevent any other server install, but at some point it might be a prerequisite to make what I'm intend to work.
[05:47] <wingarmac> arraybolt3 Anyway, thank you again so far ! It's really appreciated ! Cheers
[05:47] <arraybolt3> wingarmac: Thanks for your patience, and I hope we're able to make this work.
[05:48] <wingarmac> :) I will !
[13:03] <athos> Hi bryceh! I was thinking about doing a php clean up in lunar proposed (update excuses) before the feature freeze
[13:04] <athos> however, there are lots of packages there which were changed to depend on php8.2 (universe packages)
[13:05] <athos> What is the approach you would take for those? Just let them be carried to mm (next cycle) or patch each package to depend on php8.1 and revert those patches once we start the 8.2 migration?
[17:54] <bryceh> yep, in the situation we're in this release those can probably be ignored, unless they look like they have necessary changes, in which case yeah you can attempt to delta them to downgrade.  In the latter case I'd stage in a PPA in case the underlying source does actually need something in php8.2 to build or autopkgtest.


[00:00] <grtcdr> Thanks for pointing me in the right direction
[00:00] <elacheche[m]> Life took all of us away..
[00:00] <elacheche[m]> There is CLL FST too if you know people in FST..
[00:01] <grtcdr> I don't :/
[00:04] <grtcdr> It's pretty nice to see people pushing open source though; the government doesn't seem to appreciate it all that much.
[00:05] <grtcdr> by it I mean FOSS, not individuals pushing FOSS.
[00:06] <elacheche[m]> Politics is complicated..
[00:08] <grtcdr> It might be, but complexity should never be an excuse, at least not for elected officials. They sorta get paid to make good decisions on behalf of the people.
[00:10] <elacheche[m]> You don't get the point :)
[00:10] <grtcdr> Anyhow, I got into Ruby yesterday, and wrote a very simple tool to help me clean my $(pwd) whenever it gets too messy.
[00:10] <grtcdr> Ruby is unsurprisingly a very nice language to work with <3
[00:11] <elacheche[m]> https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06TUNIS2424_a.html
[00:11] <elacheche[m]> Read section 3 & 4 for some fun
[00:12] <elacheche[m]> To note, those were "update" only licenses, not activation ones.. Softwares kept using pirated activation licenses..
[00:12] <elacheche[m]> Section 4 exposes how M$ helped the GOT keeping an eye on citizens by helping spaying..
[00:12] <elacheche[m]> They also were helping teaching GOT how to censorship (aka 3ammar404)
[00:13] <elacheche[m]> And things, didn't changed too much https://twitter.com/elacheche/status/1526174044218867712
[00:33] <grtcdr> I remember reading an article that highlighted the things mentioned in the article you linked.
[00:34] <grtcdr> It's pretty scary how far-reaching microsoft is.
[00:35] <grtcdr> How is their agreement a "win-win"?
[00:36] <grtcdr> They could've pocketed all that money, and hired a team of Linux system administrators and engineers to coordinate their "step towards modernization"
[00:37] <grtcdr> I'm sure it would've costed only a fraction of the 12K licenses they bought.
[00:37] <grtcdr> Meanwhile china is migration some 50M government computers to Linux.
[00:37] <grtcdr> And some german cities thought it was a wonderful idea to go FOSS a few years back.
[00:37] <elacheche[m]> China migration is a whole other story..
[00:38] <grtcdr> It just goes to show that government officials don't really make the best decisions, they just go with whatever's on the table.
[00:38] <grtcdr> elacheche[m]: I guess so, but if you want to migrate, you definitely can.
[00:39] <elacheche[m]> Ever heard about capitalism and monopoly? :)
[00:40] <grtcdr> Microsoft could've been stopped ages ago, but they fueled them by purchasing their garbage licenses <3
[00:40] <elacheche[m]> Anyway, it's almost  3am and I am too old to discuss a such subject on irc at this time.. gtg, good night x)
[00:40] <grtcdr> See ya!


[00:05] <wgrant> slank: Right, builder.processor is what you want
[00:11] <j4jackj> Hi guys!
[00:13] <j4jackj> Is an auxlang a suitable launchpad project?
[00:31] <j4jackj> hi. is a conlang appropriate under question #585 of launchpad itslef, or do i have to start a new instance of launchpad called conlangzone?
[00:38] <rmk> Hi guys.  Need to have a PPA made private, I'm a paid user.
[00:54] <j4jackj> hi. is a conlang appropriate under question #585 of launchpad itslef, or do i have to start a new instance of launchpad called conlangzone?
[01:04] <rmk> Any LP admins around?
[01:08] <wgrant> rmk: Normally you should email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or ask at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion, but which PPA?
[01:10] <rmk> https://launchpad.net/~metacloud/+archive/kernel
[01:10] <wgrant> rmk: That has a package in it
[01:10] <wgrant> So it can't be made private
[01:18] <l3iggs> hey launchpaders. what do I have to do to enable armel builds for my ppa?
[01:19] <l3iggs> i notice that there are 5 idle build machines for armel for ppa when i look here: https://launchpad.net/builders/
[01:20] <wgrant> l3iggs: ARM builds are currently heavily restricted, due to performance issues
[01:20] <wgrant> We're looking at potentially opening them up soon
[01:20] <wgrant> But not just yet
[01:21] <l3iggs> oh darn, that builder status page is misleading then!
[01:21] <l3iggs> thanks for the response
[01:22] <wgrant> Not quite misleading. They're available for PPAs, just not for everyone yet
[01:27] <l3iggs> is there anything i can do to get on the special list of people who are allowed armel builds?
[01:29] <wgrant> Not right now. We'll be announcing when it's more generally available.
[01:30] <j4jackj> hi. is a conlang appropriate under question #585 of launchpad itslef, or do i have to start a new instance of launchpad called conlangzone?
[01:31] <wgrant> j4jackj: It's probably OK, but you'd be best to wait for a response to the question next week.
[01:32] <j4jackj> Well it's an opensource conlang, and it's in the hacker spirit, and it has a sign form.
[01:32] <j4jackj> Or will have.
[01:32] <l3iggs> bummer! i'll just keep my fingers crossed that armel support comes to my ppa soon!
[01:33] <j4jackj> #585 is an FAQ.
[01:33] <j4jackj> so my Q number is #216237
[10:21] <ricotz> hello, could some cancel/restart those armhf builds which are stuck? -- https://launchpad.net/~super-friends/+archive/daily/+build/4036900 -- https://launchpad.net/~super-friends/+archive/daily/+build/4040149 -- https://launchpad.net/~super-friends/+archive/daily/+build/4046639
[16:53] <TwinSwords> Would anyone know how to fix problems with a Realtek sound card that just produces distorted sound only in Ubuntu?
[17:38] <TwinSwords> Is anyone here to help with sound card issues?
[17:54] <cardpuncher> Hi, is this channel only about development or may I ask why a template and gettext catalgos uploaded on Nov 29th still need review?
[20:51]  * penguin42 has just raged lp question 216276 on at least 14 bugs that have spam for watches on
[20:52] <penguin42> looks like the **!?!$ are going after sequential ranges of bug numbers
[22:45] <emamdouh> hi, i got this error while i was trying to upload package to  my ppa
[22:45] <emamdouh> Checksum doesn't match for /home/emamdouh/Downloads/ES/es/elasticsearch_0.19.2ubuntu1.dsc
[22:45] <emamdouh> any ideas what's wrong ?
[23:35] <penguin42> emamdouh: Is it repeatable?


[01:25] <user178> 123
[01:25] <user178> hello world
[06:23] <chcknrub> https://www.netflix.com/title/80158084
[07:06] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:13] <zaki> https://imgur.com/a/pyFn5
[07:13] <zaki> having blurry fonts in some app.
[07:13] <zaki> can someone help !
[07:14] <zaki> kubuntu 16.4.3
[07:15] <zaki> kde plasma 5.8
[07:16] <hateball> I can't even see any blur
[07:16] <hateball> zaki: What program is that?
[07:17] <zaki> wps office
[07:18] <zaki> hateball, page size option are blurry
[07:18] <zaki> same problem in some other app like packet tracer
[10:38] <Tolhadum> Hi everyone! I have some troubles with a live-usb kubuntu : When I try to re-install the OS on a Dell computer (With a Nvidia Quadro M2000) I have a black screen (with some noise) just after the grub and I can't do anything :s
[11:29] <batteronizer> Hi
[11:29] <batteronizer> Does anyone know how I can automatically save addresses, that I've sent emails to, in KMail?
[11:35] <BluesKaj> Hiya folks
[13:59] <user|57862> how can install kubuntu with windows 10
[14:03] <ubsafder> my firefox got updated how can i revert to previous version ? and as i like to make those kind of decision my self how can i pin that package so it never get updated
[15:52] <Tolhsadum_> Hi! I've got some troubles with kubuntu installation. I tried several installations, with the default partitions, with the default partitions with LVM, with custom partitions but always got a black screen after rebooting after the installation. The computer is using a Nvidia quadro M2000 and when I want to install kubuntu with a live usb I have to set the option "nomodeset" to be able to run the installer. Do you think it could c
[16:11] <Tolhsadum_> I can't even access to the tty :s
[17:51] <ronnybob> checking to see if this is working
[17:52] <bings[m]> it is
[18:42] <macadam> list
[18:45] <macadam> list
[18:54] <zuiss1> i set my internet settings under ipv4 to manual and gave it an ip, subnet, gateway, and dns server but it's still not accessing the internet
[18:54] <zuiss1> what else could be wrong?
[21:08] <kaosine> I forget and I know iit's going to be a issue but how do I create a static IP and allow access over the port quassel uses?
[22:01] <jonah_> hi does anyone know how I can get kubuntu to force a monitor screen resolution? Trying xrandr/arandr and can't get it working. My two monitors are 2560x1440. One is plugged in with hdmi and works great, the other is using VGA but can only get 1920x1200 which looks bad!
[22:01] <jonah_> any help to get them both in 2560x1440 would be appreciated


[15:13] <bodie_> does anyone know offhand how to discard a shelved changeset?
[15:13] <bodie_> (using bzr)