[00:04] <liushuyu> afk for a while
[00:52] <vpa1977> cgmb: it seems that glibc bug is fixed, so maybe just retrying build should help
[00:53] <cgmb> vpa1977: my understanding is that upstream basically responded wont-fix.
[00:54] <cgmb> It is definitely still broken.
[00:54] <cgmb> I have a patch for glibc, but I don't expect it to be merged and uploaded in time for noble.
[00:55] <vpa1977> cgmb: would it be possible to put some comment in the merge proposal regarding this?
[01:00] <cgmb> vpa1977: done
[01:18] <vpa1977> cgmb: I've added it to the commit for the next person
[06:05] <vorlon> eeew kdiagram ftbfs on riscv64 because building with nocheck changes the ABI of the library
[08:42] <adrien> I'm looking at some convenience plumbing and retry-autopkgtest-regressions documents a way to interact with autopkgtest.u.c; are there other places where that's documented/implemented/whatever?
[08:42] <adrien> because I *really* want to trigger PPA tests after a PPA build is done and published
[08:51] <sudip> adrien: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration#autopkgtests has a section "Testing against a PPA"
[08:54] <adrien> sudip: yes, and actually ppa-dev-tools can generate the URLs for that in addition to checking the results but AFAIK it cannot trigger tests at the moment (I have to say the CLI UI for that is maybe not trivial, especially when queues are heavily loaded)
[08:54] <adrien> what's missing for me is the automation between the build and test steps
[09:14] <vpa1977> sudip: Hi! =) would it be possible to forward fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hxtools/+bug/2060825 to Debian?
[09:14] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2060825 in hxtools (Ubuntu) "hxtools ftbfs in Noble" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[09:15] <sudip> vpa1977: In Debian libHX is waiting for a sponsor to upload, hxtools wont be ftbfs after that
[09:15] <sudip> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1064734
[09:15] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Debian bug 1064734 in src:libhx "Please include upstream patch" [Serious, Open]
[09:15] <vpa1977> sudip: ah, sorry, I linked wrong one. You've also fixed the missing dependency there
[09:17] <vpa1977> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hxtools/+bug/2060728
[09:17] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2060728 in hxtools (Ubuntu) "gpsh fails to run in Noble" [Undecided, New]
[09:18] <sudip> vpa1977: sure, but its not an issue in Debian. as libfile-find-rule-perl is a dependency of usrmerge so its already there and the issue is not seen in Debian
[09:19] <vpa1977> sudip: ah I see, thank you!!!!!!!
[09:20] <vpa1977> its just sometimes they accept fixes that they do not really need =)
[09:23] <sudip> I will open a bug as soon as I am out of this meeting in my $dayjob
[09:47] <sudip> vpa1977: done
[09:47] <sudip> https://bugs.debian.org/1068855
[09:47] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Debian bug 1068855 in hxtools "hxtools: gpsh fails to run" [Normal, Open]
[09:47] <vpa1977> sudip: Thank you!!!!!!!
[10:32] <sudip> I am seeing lots of rust packages failing to install in Noble
[13:13] <jbicha> sudip: could you give an example? I know that the Rust GNOME stack is incomplete but I'm working on it
[13:17] <sudip> jbicha: librust-gsk4-dev
[13:19] <sudip> there are many more :)
[13:26] <jbicha> sudip: that one is part of the Rust GNOME stack; probably 50+ source packages
[13:30] <sudip> ohh.. ok.. I will check my list again
[13:38] <sudip> so I think only 3 in my list are non Rust GNOME stack, but thats a guess from the failed dependency name
[13:39] <sudip> like librust-ripasso-dev
[13:43] <jbicha> sudip: ok, I'm syncing rust-ripasso to probably fix that issue
[13:44] <jbicha> hopefully that will allow rust-sequoia/capnp* to migrate
[13:45] <sudip> librust-secret-service-dev
[13:46] <sudip> librust-pleaser-dev
[13:46] <sudip> librust-octocrab-dev
[13:46] <sudip> librust-minijinja-dev
[13:47] <sudip> I think remaining all in my list is from rust GNOME
[13:49] <jbicha> all of those except for rust-pleaser are also broken in Debian
[13:50] <jbicha> https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/transitions/html/rust.html and https://release.debian.org/transitions/html/rust.html can be helpful
[13:51] <jbicha> rust-pleaser has no rdeps so may not be worth much effort right now. It needs to be tweaked since Ubuntu has done the rust-nix 0.27 transition but Debian hasn't yet
[13:57]  * sudip does not understand the rust ecosystem
[14:49] <jbicha> the Debian Rust packaging is "interesting"
[15:04] <sudip> yeah, I wanted to take https://bugs.debian.org/1064957 but after reading about Debian Rust packaging I discarded that idea
[15:04] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Debian bug 1064957 in wnpp "RFP: bpftop -- dynamic real-time view of running eBPF programs" [Wishlist, Open]
[16:27] <akarlson> Can anyone please change the status of LP: #2060692 to "In Progress" and mark it as affecting Noble?
[16:27] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2060692 in cups (Ubuntu) "cupsd 2.4.7-1.2ubuntu5 on noble crashes due to recently backported commits from 2.4.x git" [Undecided, Fix Committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2060692
[16:41] <ahasenack> @pilot in
[16:59] <vorlon> liushuyu: hi, were you looking at magics++/odc?
[17:01] <vorlon> liushuyu: I don't know if the comment on https://pad.riseup.net/p/migrate-list-amd64 for magics++ is yours, it says "incorrect build with wrong version of odc" but the blocker - for 2 weeks, so before that pad existed - is build failures on !amd64
[17:07] <bdrung> should we remove the packages from https://pad.riseup.net/p/migrate-list-amd64 once they migrated?
[17:10] <javaJake> There's a Launchpad bug with a patch ready to go, but it's for a package in universe. Are community members able to volunteer to push a fix through?
[17:11] <liushuyu> vorlon: Yes, I believe you mentioned this was an issue with dh-fortran-mod + patchelf
[17:13] <ahasenack> javaJake: can you upload/sponsor? If not, pass me the link and I can take a look, I'm on patch pilot this afternoon
[17:14] <javaJake> ahasenack: I've never participated in this process before, so if it's a privileged thing I probably can't. The bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/crun/+bug/2052961
[17:14] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2052961 in linux-meta-hwe-6.5 (Ubuntu) "Error: OCI runtime error: crun: chmod <path>: Operation not supported" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[17:15] <ahasenack> that rings a bell
[17:15] <ahasenack> javaJake: is that the same as https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-images/+bug/2056442 ?
[17:15] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2056442 in crun (Ubuntu Mantic) "Podman (crun) regression in Ubuntu 22.04: OCI runtime error: chmod `run/shm`: Operation not supported" [Undecided, New]
[17:15] <ahasenack> the latter has a crun package in proposed for jammy already, but missing a fix in mantic
[17:15] <liushuyu> vorlon: also, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rustc/+bug/2052985
[17:16] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2052985 in rustc (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Upgrade Rust to 1.76.0" [Medium, Incomplete]
[17:16] <javaJake> ahasenack: that's the one. Mine was first though ;)
[17:17] <ahasenack> javaJake: I'll mark it as a duplicate, as the other one (the one I linked) is far ahead in the update process
[17:18] <javaJake> Yea that makes sense. :) And it looks like the resolution for 23.10 is to just wait for 24.04 and upgrade.
[17:18] <ahasenack> yeah, I'm not super happy with that, I don't like to skip releases just because they are not LTSs
[17:19] <liushuyu> taking ucspi-tcp
[17:19] <ahasenack> javaJake: would you be willing to prepare a fix for mantic?
[17:20] <javaJake> ahasenack: I would be willing to give it a try. I have done a lot of patch submissions to Gentoo but never to Ubuntu. I'll look around for packaging documentation.
[17:21] <ahasenack> javaJake: this is how it was fixed in jammy: https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/crun/commit/?id=4104b1eb0fb1f5d258b54785786d7034f3076b44
[17:21] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Commit 4104b1e in ubuntu/+source/crun "0.17+dfsg-1.1ubuntu0.1 (patches unapplied) import/0.17+dfsg-1.1ubuntu0.1 ubuntu/jammy-proposed ubuntu/jammy-devel"
[17:21] <ahasenack> unfortunately all is squashed as a single commit
[17:21] <ahasenack> javaJake: the key things are: d/changelog update with versiom bump, d/p/<actual-patch>, and d/p/series listing that patch
[17:22] <javaJake> ahasenack: got it
[17:23] <ahasenack> javaJake: for mantic, you can start here: https://code.launchpad.net/~git-ubuntu-import/ubuntu/+source/crun/+git/crun/+ref/ubuntu/mantic-devel
[17:23] <ahasenack> "ubuntu/mantic-devel" is the tip/main/master of the package in ubuntu mantic
[17:23] <ahasenack> then create a branch off of that with your fix (name it appropriately), and start committing
[17:24] <ahasenack> if you rather just provide the patch, with no ubuntu packaging, that also works
[17:24] <ahasenack> but if you are familiar with git, I think it shouldn't be difficult to work with that repository
[17:25] <liushuyu> taking xbill
[17:27] <javaJake> ahasenack: I am generally confident in working with code, but the nitty-gritty of each community's process and tooling is what I need help with.
[17:27] <ahasenack> definitely
[17:27] <ahasenack> so if you want to get to know the nitty-gritty of ubuntu, or just provide the patch, both work, and I can help (in today's shift) with both
[17:47] <javaJake> ahasenack: sounds good. I'm getting a 23.10 install I can mess with and got the git repo cloned.
[17:48] <ahasenack> excellent
[17:48] <ahasenack> javaJake: if I can give you a tip, I don't know what's your host OS
[17:49] <javaJake> Ah, it's unfortunately Windows 11 Pro atm :) but I have Hyper-V running a new install.
[17:49] <ahasenack> you can easily bring up a mantic vm
[17:49] <ahasenack> ah
[17:49] <javaJake> Perhaps WSL2 would've worked but I didn't want to add WSL2 variables to the mix.
[17:49] <ahasenack> well, there I cannot help (bringing up a mantic vm)
[17:49] <ahasenack> this test needs a vm
[17:49] <ahasenack> as you need to run the ubuntu kernel
[17:49] <javaJake> Yea, that's what I figured.
[17:50] <ahasenack> in ubuntu with lxd installed if would have been "lxc launch ubuntu-daily:mantic my-mantic-vm --vm"
[17:51] <javaJake> Ahhh, I didn't realize lxd could run whole VMs
[17:51] <ahasenack> yep, it can
[18:05] <javaJake> ahasenack: is there a page similar to this that has content I can reference? https://canonical-ubuntu-packaging-guide.readthedocs-hosted.com/en/latest/tutorial/getting-set-up/
[18:05] <javaJake> This entire site appears to be heavily WIP
[18:05] <ahasenack> hm
[18:06] <vorlon> liushuyu: yes, but someone needs to do the work of tracing the deps and requesting removal of the binaries
[18:07] <vorlon> liushuyu: I'll have a look at the rustc FFe later today
[18:07] <ahasenack> javaJake: there is this which the ubuntu server team wrote: https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-maintainers-handbook?tab=readme-ov-file
[18:07] <ahasenack> it might be way more detailed than what you want
[18:07] <javaJake> I can pick through it! Thanks! Debian packaging has been a black box for too long. It's time I learned. :)
[18:08] <ahasenack> you are welcome :)
[18:10] <javaJake> Oh my gosh! Ubuntu uses quilt? That's awesome. I love quilt.
[18:10] <ahasenack> debian packaging can use quilt, yes (most do)
[18:17] <javaJake> This repo recommends an lxc to build a package. I'd like to build the package as-is just to confirm I can. Is that how you'd recommend?
[18:17] <ahasenack> well, inside a lxd container (or vm, or chroot), you can make any changes you want without fearing breaking your host system
[18:17] <ahasenack> or polluting it
[18:17] <ahasenack> because to buildt the package, you will have to install build dependencies
[18:18] <ahasenack> if you do that on your host, well, you will be installing packages you might not need anymore after this build
[18:18] <ahasenack> using a clean lxd (or vm, or chroot, ...) is also closer to what will be used in the real builders later on
[18:18] <ahasenack> they start clean, and install the exact build dependencies that are declared
[18:19] <ahasenack> if you build on your host, you might just happen to have a build-dep already installed, and the build works then without you having to declare it. Just to later on find out it's missing, when the official builders get your package
[18:19] <javaJake> That last bit is what gives me nightmares
[18:19] <ahasenack> so yeah, in general, get a vm/container/chroot to test-build the packages
[18:20] <ahasenack> since you will want to test this in a mantic vm anyway, I would suggest to use that same vm for the building
[18:20] <ahasenack> brb, coffee
[19:16] <javaJake> ahasenack: alright, dumb question: I'm getting an "aborting due to unexpected upstream changes" on a clean clone of mantic-devel in an ubuntu:23.10 lxc. The file it's complaining about are these "..git" files which appear to be some kind of submodule reference: https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/crun/tree/libocispec/image-spec/..git?h=ubuntu/mantic-devel
[19:16] <ahasenack> how are you building the source package? WHich command?
[19:17] <javaJake> Great question. I'm using https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-maintainers-handbook/blob/main/PackageBuilding.md#build-source-packages-with-dpkg-buildpackage but I swapped the 'lxc launch' image to 'ubuntu:23.10'. On another read through, perhaps it's the 'pull-debian-source' line...
[19:18] <ahasenack> ok, just a sec
[19:18] <ahasenack> javaJake: so at first you are trying to just rebuild the existing package, with no changes, right?
[19:19] <javaJake> Yea, just as a sanity check
[19:19] <ahasenack> hm, those instructions seem overly complicated
[19:19] <ahasenack> does that env still have ubuntu-dev-tools installed?
[19:19] <javaJake> Yes
[19:20] <ahasenack> did you git checkout the package?
[19:20] <ahasenack> or you just ran those commands?
[19:20] <javaJake> Ah, yep. I ran those commands within a git clone of the repo you linked, at the branch you referenced, so the 'tar' would migrate the git clone to the lxc correctly.
[19:20] <javaJake> s/migrate/copy/
[19:21] <ahasenack> ok, so since you have the git tree, no need to run those commands
[19:21] <ahasenack> except one tiny bit, get the orig tarball source
[19:22] <javaJake> OK
[19:22] <ahasenack> make sure you are in a clean git checkout of mantic-devel for that package
[19:22] <ahasenack> do git clean -f -x -d; git reset --hard if you have to
[19:22] <ahasenack> HEAD should be ce6b5807a7ba8449bd799128344df641bb3a806b
[19:24] <javaJake> Yea, it is squeaky clean there.
[19:24] <ahasenack> then, in the parent directory (so, run "cd ..")
[19:24] <ahasenack> run "pull-lp-source -d crun mantic" to download the orig tarball (and some other artifacts, not important)
[19:24] <ahasenack> that will download-only (-d) the crun source, from mantic
[19:25] <javaJake> And the HEAD is correct. I just trusted the eyeball of that giant && block more than I should have. I suspect the goal is to just get the dpkg-buildpackage command to work with as little fiddling as possible.
[19:25] <ahasenack> that blob is assuming many things, like that the build will just work
[19:25] <ahasenack> all in one command line...
[19:26] <ahasenack> so maybe let's skip those pages for now
[19:26] <ahasenack> do you have a crun_1.8.5.orig.tar.xz file now?
[19:26] <javaJake> The man page for pull-lp-source and pull-debian-source both go to pull-pkg... is your use of pull-lp-source just a habit?
[19:26] <ahasenack> mostly
[19:27] <ahasenack> ubuntu and debian share a lot (A LOT) of things
[19:27] <javaJake> ahasenack: and yes I have the orig.tar.xz
[19:27] <ahasenack> but to get what was published in a specific ubuntu release, you should use pull-lp-source
[19:27] <ahasenack> and if you want something from a specific debian release, then pull-debian-source
[19:27] <ahasenack> javaJake: ok, now go back into the git checkout path
[19:28] <ahasenack> next step is to install the build dependencies
[19:28] <javaJake> OK. More just a curiosity question: do the behaviors change based on the alias (like vi vs vim or sh vs bash)?
[19:28] <ahasenack> "sudo apt-get build-dep ."
[19:28] <ahasenack> javaJake: yes
[19:28] <ahasenack> many programs check with which name they were called
[19:28] <ahasenack> (if the alias points to the same executable)
[19:28] <javaJake> Whoa. What is apt-get reading from "."?
[19:29] <ahasenack> "." is current directory
[19:29] <ahasenack> I suppose it would also work from the parent dir, then specifying the name of the directory where the git checkout is
[19:29] <ahasenack> again, muscle memory/habit :)
[19:29] <ahasenack> but it's reading the BUild-Depends field in debian/control
[19:30] <javaJake> I knew . is current directory ;) I was just surprised apt-get will accept a directory.
[19:30] <javaJake> Got it, very cool.
[19:30] <ahasenack> in older versions (like, much older), it didn't
[19:31] <ahasenack> after that finishes, there is one extra build-dep that is rarely declared, but sometimes needed, and it's annoying to have to find out just because of an error. So go ahead and also install "fakeroot" (sudo apt install fakeroot)
[19:31] <javaJake> Alright, is it time to run 'dpkg-buildpackage -S'?
[19:31] <javaJake> Oh, got it.
[19:31] <ahasenack> after you have fakeroot, let's build the binaries. No need to build the source at this stage
[19:32] <ahasenack> to build the binaries for testing, run "dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us". The -uc -us parameters are to skip gpg signing
[19:32] <ahasenack> I like to (muscle memory!) use "time dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 2>&1 | tee ../build.log"
[19:32] <javaJake> Ahhh, I thought '-S' meant "from" source. OK.
[19:32] <ahasenack> -S is build a source package, yes
[19:32] <ahasenack> that is needed when you want to upload the source somewhere, like a ppa, or actual ubuntu, for processing
[19:32] <ahasenack> ah, got your point
[19:33] <javaJake> '-b' must be the default?
[19:33] <ahasenack> yep
[19:33] <ahasenack> there is no shortage of command-line options for dpkg-buildpackage
[19:33] <ahasenack> some are not even for dpkg-buildpackage itself, but passed on to other helpers it calls
[19:33] <ahasenack> rabbit hole warning
[19:33] <ahasenack> it's "fun" to chase these down in manpages
[19:34] <ahasenack> after this finishes, you will see that your parent directory got a bit messy, with lots of files in it (hopefully)
[19:34] <javaJake> Hah. :) This is why I was initially trusting of the && block because I was trying not to do my usual of poking around, since I know I'm dealing with decades-old infra that's going to have a lot of long ways to lose time reading.
[19:34] <ahasenack> yep
[19:35] <ahasenack> of all the things in the parent directory, if you want to cleanup, you can delete all, except the orig tarball. Without that, the build won't proceed and you will have to download it again
[19:36] <ahasenack> (if there is a detached gpg signature, like *.asc, keep it too)
[19:41] <javaJake> OK, I might've must have messed up the clone because it's giving me the same error. I deleted the clone, and reran in the lxc (to avoid possible issues with tar) and that still failed. I've got git-ubuntu installed so I can try that.
[19:42] <javaJake> Those submodules might be an extra wrinkle.
[19:42] <ahasenack> can you paste the whole session, starting from the clean git checkout at ce6b5807a7ba8449bd799128344df641bb3a806b ?
[19:42] <ahasenack> not here, but in a pastebin
[19:42] <ahasenack> I'll try the same here
[19:43] <ahasenack> and guess what, I also got that
[19:43] <ahasenack> now I'm annoyed
[19:43] <javaJake> :D
[19:43] <javaJake> I mean :(
[19:43] <ahasenack> how dare crun ruin this
[19:44] <ahasenack> good news is you did nothing wrong
[19:45] <javaJake> I've never seen the "..git" file before. It looks like a submodule but it's also not recognized by git as one.
[19:45] <ahasenack> the ..git is an escaping mechanism
[19:45] <ahasenack> it means the upstream tarball had a .git directory in it already
[19:45] <javaJake> Ah, gotcha.
[19:45] <ahasenack> and to represent that in git, without its special meaning, means we need to rename it somehow
[19:45] <ahasenack> that's... annoying
[19:47] <javaJake> Would a tool like git-buildpackage read the ..git and know how to rehydrate that?
[19:47] <ahasenack> I don't know
[19:48] <ahasenack> you can try this instead:
[19:48] <ahasenack> dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -I -i -i..
[19:48] <ahasenack> -I and -i are used to exclude common "noise" directories, like .git
[19:48] <ahasenack> ops, wait
[19:48] <ahasenack> well, that worked, but I don't know how
[19:48] <ahasenack> I meant to use -i..git
[19:52] <ahasenack> @rbasak: do we have a trick to build packages where the orig tarball has .git somewhere, and git-ubuntu renamed that to ..git?
[19:53] <ahasenack> because ..git is not in the list of patterns that dpkg-* excludes when building a package, and then it complains the source contents do not match the orig tarball anymore
[19:55] <ahasenack> javaJake: options: a) find the right incantation of dpkg-buildpackage that works (maybe that -i.. I tried? But I don't know how it worked)
[19:55] <ahasenack> b) build without the git checkout, just using the source package downloaded from launchpad (pull-lp-source, which you might have noticed also downloaded some other files: all of these together make up a debian source package)
[19:56] <ahasenack> you can try -i.., it *seems* to have worked
[19:56] <javaJake> Also git-buildpackage does not help either.
[19:57] <ahasenack> let me see how it imports the package
[19:57] <ahasenack> there is gbp import-dsc *.dsc
[19:57] <ahasenack> it will use the "crun" directory, so if that is the git checkout, better try somewhere else where it can start clean
[19:59] <javaJake> And it put me on a debian tag rather than Ubuntu...
[20:00] <ahasenack> yeah, its import cannot be used to create PRs in launchpad
[20:00] <ahasenack> it's just to help managing the code locally, trying patches, cleaning the build, etc
[20:00] <javaJake> Gotcha. Yea it also is a git without a remote which is disorienting.
[20:00] <ahasenack> sorry, starting with this package was a bummer
[20:01] <ahasenack> did you try the build with -i.. ?
[20:01] <javaJake> Nah, it's all good :) I'll try it now.
[20:01] <ahasenack> back into the ubuntu git checkout
[20:03] <javaJake> It is running now
[20:04] <javaJake> And built! Nice. Now to break it with an attempt at patching.
[20:04] <ahasenack> I'm searching https://bugs.launchpad.net/git-ubuntu to see if this is known
[20:10] <javaJake> I'm going to continue with this and see how far I get: https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-maintainers-handbook/blob/main/PackageFixing.md#apply-the-fix
[20:12] <ahasenack> javaJake: maybe https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-maintainers-handbook/blob/main/DebianPatch.md#generate-a-patchfile-with-git directly
[20:12] <ahasenack> keep in mind that the actual source tree should remain unchanged (except for changes in debian/*). So if making a change to the source tree, to then get "git diff" to show it and generate a patch, the only thing you should be committing is the patch, NOT the source code changes
[20:13] <ahasenack> just the patch in debian/patches/<patch>, and corresponding debian/patches/series
[20:13] <ahasenack> tl;dr
[20:13] <ahasenack> hack
[20:13] <ahasenack> hack
[20:13] <ahasenack> git diff > debian/patches/myfix.patch
[20:13] <ahasenack> git add debian/patches/myfix.patch
[20:13] <ahasenack> git commit -m hooray
[20:13] <ahasenack> git clean -f -x -d
[20:14] <ahasenack> and then update debian/patches/series too
[20:16] <javaJake> Thankfully I have experience with quilt so this is familiar to me.
[20:31] <javaJake> Built with a patch! I've installed and am running the repro in the bug to see if I fixed the issue.
[20:31] <javaJake> If I was extra cool, I suppose the repro would be nice to add as a regression test?
[20:42] <ahasenack> oh, yeah, coolness++
[20:42] <john-cabaj> I'm trying to build with `sbuild` in my local environment on a noble chroot, but it's having issues. I ran `dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us` from within the chroot and things are going much more smoothly. Is there a fundamental difference between these two methods?
[20:43] <ahasenack> I rarely use sbuild, I tend to just have lxd containers lying around for that, as usually after a build I also want to install and test the package, so the container serves both purposes
[20:44] <john-cabaj> I'll grab the build log dumps from both and see where things go sideways
[20:54] <liushuyu> ucspi-tcp fix: https://code.launchpad.net/~liushuyu-011/ubuntu/+source/ucspi-tcp/+git/ucspi-tcp/+merge/464230
[20:54] <liushuyu> A bit chaotic for this package
[20:56] <javaJake> ahasenack: what's the best way to make sure my source package is built with my GPG key for the PPA submission?
[20:56] <liushuyu> Patch forwarded to Debian as https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1066629
[20:56] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Debian bug 1066629 in src:ucspi-tcp "ucspi-tcp: FTBFS: tcpserver.c:143:29: error: implicit declaration of function ‘getpid’ [-Werror=implicit-function-declaration]" [Serious, Open]
[20:57] <ahasenack> javaJake: you can't upload to ubuntu I suppose, so even if you sign the package (i.e., drop the -uc -us options), your upload will be rejected
[20:57] <ahasenack> javaJake: the way it works is that you get sponsorship for your upload
[20:57] <ahasenack> so d/changelog will have your entry, with your name/email, but someone else will sign the upload for you
[20:57] <liushuyu> javaJake: for PPA purposes, you can set the environment variable DEBSIGN_KEYID to your GPG key ID
[20:57] <ahasenack> once uploaded, the change will be yours, credited to you, and go under your upload tally, but there will be af ield saying it was sponsored by someone else
[20:58] <ahasenack> ah, yes, there are ppas that you can create, as liushuyu is explaining. There you can upload
[20:58] <javaJake> ahasenack: OK so for the purposes of this fix, just push my branch, then a sponsor will handle the signing and uploading for the rest of the test process?
[20:58] <ahasenack> yes
[20:58] <liushuyu> To set the environment variables, you can use the `export` command
[20:59] <javaJake> Yea, I saw that PPA's are a nice way to run tests and it also is done in infra rather than a "trust me" human :)
[20:59] <ahasenack> correct, it a ppa fails to build, it's very likely the final upload will also fail
[20:59] <liushuyu> export DEBSIGN_KEYID=<your key id>
[21:00] <ahasenack> sorry, I had missed the "PPA submission" part of your question before
[21:00] <liushuyu> PPA uses the same infra as the Ubuntu primary package archives
[21:00] <liushuyu> If your packages build in your PPA, it's highly likely that your packages will build successfully in the official Ubuntu archives
[21:02] <ahasenack> javaJake: the moment you do a "git push" with your remote, the response should include a url that you can use to file a merge proposal
[21:02] <ahasenack> @pilot out
[21:03] <ahasenack> (I'm off shift, but feel free to continue the conversation. It's 6pm here, so I'll be on and off)
[21:03] <liushuyu> taking samhain
[21:05] <liushuyu> taking scrollz
[21:06] <liushuyu> vorlon: can you generate a new migration list to see if there are anything left to migrate? I think we have exhausted the current pile
[21:08] <javaJake> ahasenack: should I put you on the review for the merge proposal?
[21:08] <ahasenack> you may, but ubuntu-sponsors is a wider audience
[21:09] <javaJake> OK
[21:10] <ahasenack> you can do both
[21:13] <javaJake> ahasenack: thanks :) https://code.launchpad.net/~fun2program8/ubuntu/+source/crun/+git/crun/+merge/464233 it is in! First ever attempt to contribute. I'll be looking forward to what additional information or changes are needed to accept, if a sponsor has time. Thanks for your help getting it in!
[21:14] <ahasenack> got it
[21:14] <ahasenack> congrats! Thanks a lot for working over the unexpected hurdles
[21:20] <john-cabaj> Well it seems that `dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us` does fail in the same was as `sbuild`. For some reason libtirpc-dev is not being installed in the Noble chroot. Manually installing it fixes `dpkg-buildpackage` in the chroot, but `sbuild` fails in the same way.
[21:21] <john-cabaj> I'm not sure why `sbuild` isn't picking that up. Or why it's necessary to manually install libtirpc-dev
[21:22] <ahasenack> is it declared in d/control?
[21:27] <john-cabaj> ahasenack: It is not
[21:27] <john-cabaj> Though I haven't actually made any changes to the package. This was a `pull-lp-source` and rebuild. So I don't know how this ever built
[21:27] <liushuyu> john-cabaj: That's very fragile. Maybe there is a transitive dependency that removed libtirpc-dev from its depends
[21:28] <liushuyu> It seems like your sbuild instance does not contain libtirpc-dev
[21:29] <liushuyu> samhain fix: https://code.launchpad.net/~liushuyu-011/ubuntu/+source/samhain/+git/samhain/+merge/464234
[21:29] <john-cabaj> There was a no change rebuild against libtirpc3t64 a few versions back. Not sure if that is just a coincidence in name. My chroot definitely doesn't have libtirpc-dev installed by default.
[21:29] <john-cabaj> Mantic chroot has it installed by default
[21:30] <liushuyu> john-cabaj: It should not have development headers installed by default, I believe libtirpc-dev should be added to the package Build-Depends
[21:30] <john-cabaj> liushuyu: Worth a shot
[21:42] <john-cabaj> liushuyu: That seems to have done the trick. Still, debian doesn't have that particular dependency. That's interesting.
[21:43] <liushuyu> john-cabaj: Some packages with time_t changes have not even uploaded to Debian
[21:44] <liushuyu> There may lie the differences
[21:44] <john-cabaj> liushuyu: Good point
[21:45] <john-cabaj> liushuyu: With other packages seeing similar issues, are quilt patches generally being used to account for this?
[21:46] <liushuyu> john-cabaj: quilt patches are used to patch upstream code (not Debian files)
[21:47] <liushuyu> If you want to represent Debian package changes, you might want to use debdiff
[21:48] <john-cabaj> liushuyu: That's right. I'm working to get this to git-ubuntu, so at least a patch there would be a commit.
[21:49] <liushuyu> john-cabaj: If you are using git-ubuntu, I believe you don't have to worry about that. Just commit your changes, add a debian/changelog entry (you can use `dch -i`), and then open a merge proposal
[21:50] <liushuyu> If you are making changes to the zfs-linux code, then you will need a patch
[21:50] <liushuyu> The patch in my previous sentence means "quilt patch"
[21:51] <john-cabaj> liushuyu: ack
[21:51] <liushuyu> I hope I have expressed the process clear enough, this does look like a confusing situation
[21:51] <john-cabaj> You have
[21:52] <john-cabaj> zfs-linux isn't in git-ubuntu yet, I'm working on getting it ready for that process
[21:53] <liushuyu> john-cabaj: Ah okay, I see
[21:54] <john-cabaj> liushuyu: (And updating for zfs 2.2.3, and fixing fallout from xz/time_t apparently)
[21:54] <liushuyu> If you can't use git-ubuntu, the process will be submitting a patch with a Launchpad bug. You will need to use debdiff to generate a source package patch
[21:54] <john-cabaj> liushuyu: ack
[21:55] <liushuyu> ... which can be quite a confusing experience
[21:55] <john-cabaj> liushuyu: I'm definitely not in kernel-land anymore
[21:56] <liushuyu> john-cabaj: "land" or an "island", I am unsure :)
[21:57] <john-cabaj> liushuyu: Closer to the latter lately, haha
[22:00] <john-cabaj> On to other build failures, so task failed successfully.
[22:00] <liushuyu> uh-oh
[22:00] <john-cabaj> Dinner time now, thanks for the help all!
[22:12] <vorlon> liushuyu: I lost the script to generate that list in my shell history, heh. I'll reconstitute it and post a new list yes
[22:12] <vorlon> ooh found it
[22:12] <vorlon> ok regenerating
[22:15] <vorlon> liushuyu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rustc/+bug/2052985 - sorry, I guess I misunderstood what you were saying earlier as there is no new comment on here since your comment on March 8 saying "rebuild testing is hard".  I thought you had said you did do rebuild testing of the rust reverse-dependencies.  This should be possible to do for the packages in the release pocket?  And I would
[22:15] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2052985 in rustc (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Upgrade Rust to 1.76.0" [Medium, Incomplete]
[22:15] <vorlon> want the results of such a rebuild test before signing off on an FFe this late that could regress buildability of a large group of packages in the archive
[22:21] <liushuyu> scrollz fix: https://code.launchpad.net/~liushuyu-011/ubuntu/+source/scrollz/+git/scrollz/+merge/464236
[22:22] <liushuyu> Forwarded to Debian as https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1066483
[22:22] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Debian bug 1066483 in src:scrollz "scrollz: FTBFS: configure: error: Fatal: You must get working getaddrinfo() function." [Serious, Open]
[22:23] <liushuyu> vorlon: the rebuild ppa is https://launchpad.net/~liushuyu-011/+archive/ubuntu/rust-updates-1.76-wrb/+packages
[22:23] <liushuyu> a lot of those packages failed to build due to unmet dependencies
[22:24] <liushuyu> (we can't sync all those micropackages into Ubuntu, and some of those are removed from Ubuntu as well)
[22:24] <vorlon> liushuyu: of the current noble release pocket versions?
[22:24] <vorlon> liushuyu: "we can't sync" why not?
[22:25] <liushuyu> vorlon: IIRC Debian Rust team currently has a new policy where new packages are staged, but some broken ones still slipped through the cracks
[22:26] <liushuyu> they will not have the correct dependencies and they don't care
[22:26] <liushuyu> I can redo the archive copy though
[22:28] <vorlon> liushuyu: fwiw I have 40 packages so far that are not yet resolved in the release pocket wrt amd64 binary removals (currently at 'p' in the alphabet)
[22:29] <vorlon> this list may get shorter after britney manages to finish running, since it was down all day
[22:29] <liushuyu> vorlon: the shared notepad shows we have already finished though
[22:29] <vorlon> "finished"
[22:30] <vorlon> it shows action was taken on each package, but that action may or may not have been sufficient to get a fix into the release pockt
[22:30] <liushuyu> vorlon: yes, so that's why a new list is needed to assess if those actions are suffice
[22:31] <vorlon> sure
[22:51] <vorlon> liushuyu: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bXwBKWkF3P/
[22:52] <vorlon> but as I said, maybe that gets shorter after britney + publisher run
[22:56] <liushuyu> vorlon: okay, let's wait for the britney update then
[23:59] <vorlon> well, britney run just failed because of a rabbit disconnect error (and because my workaround for such errors was incomplete); next run has started now


[12:25]  * adom looks around.
[12:25] <adom> No Chinnodog? :/
[12:26] <adom> marcoceppi: you still active in here? been awhile myself...
[14:50] <marcoceppi> adom: i AM
[14:50] <marcoceppi> I am*


[04:12] <dorothyw> Does anybody have any idea approximately how much disc space a 64 but lubuntu install will take not including swap?
[04:13] <dorothyw> If it's much more than 4 gb I may have to seek out an unofficial spin of ubuntu
[04:34] <dorothyw> I decided to go for peppermint os which is just lubuntu minus the office suites and such
[04:34] <dorothyw> lubuntu with no other applications but chromium and the software center
[04:34] <dorothyw> leaves me resaonably satisfied
[21:11] <astorgazx> hi
[21:12] <astorgazx> speak spanish
[21:12] <Unit193> !es
[21:12] <astorgazx> gracias
[21:12] <astorgazx> thanks
[21:32] <astorgazx> hi
[21:32] <astorgazx> can help me pls
[21:33] <tsimonq2> astorgazx: Please seek support in #ubuntu-es
[21:33] <tsimonq2> !es


[18:18] <Bashing-om> ben_g: So far so good, so what happens if you "failsafe x". maybe all we are looking at is (RE-)installing the graphic's driver .
[18:19] <ben_g> Fatal server error: no screens found.
[18:20] <CyberGabber> Mollerz: Google on string 'how to remove ubuntu and install windows', to find lots of clear/illustrated instructions.
[18:21] <Bashing-om> ben_g: Grapjic's drier still not ruled out. As you can get a terminal (ctl+alt+F1) . says the system is sound, a problem with the X layer. We can look at the log file and get an idea of what is not taking place .
[18:22] <Bashing-om> graphic's driver*
[18:24] <kubast2> Hey ,have you ever made mtp work ?
[18:24] <ben_g> Is the log with the highest number the most recent?
[18:25] <kubast2> I never made it work on linux ,maybe on raspberry pi
[18:25] <kubast2> but never on actual desktop
[18:25] <kubast2> with os like linux mint/ubuntu
[18:25] <Freddie_Mercury> kubast2 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2226702
[18:26] <Bashing-om> !tab | ben_g
[18:26] <k1l_> kubast2: mtp works since ages on ubuntu. for linux mint please ask their support
[18:26] <Freddie_Mercury> kubast2, for me, using Lubuntu 14.04 LTS and those programs, it works well.
[18:26] <Freddie_Mercury> kubast2, with all the bells and whistles; I can even use my Android smartphone as a USB tethering device.
[18:27] <somenickasd> Freddie_Mercury the wifi tethering works correctly?
[18:27] <ben_g> Bashing-om: sorry, I'll try to write your name before every response now.
[18:27] <Freddie_Mercury> Haven't tried that yet, but I will.
[18:27] <Bashing-om> ben_g: Install the tool "pastebinit" and then run ' cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebinit ' and pass the link back here so we can read that file .
[18:28] <Freddie_Mercury> somenickasd: Point is, mtp devices work (as that was kubast2's question).
[18:28] <somenickasd> hmm, i have not gotten that to work right with my samsung galazy tab II. i thnk it is just for the phones
[18:28] <Freddie_Mercury> Maybe.
[18:28] <somenickasd> ah ok. cool
[18:28] <kubast2> vendor[22b8] attr[2e76] 22b8:2e76 ?
[18:29] <k1l_> somenickasd: it still depends on the smartphone device on the other end. ubuntu with network-manager is capable of tethering.
[18:29] <Bashing-om> ben_g: If I am not addressed, good chance I will not see your entry . As this is a busy channel, and I am busy also else wheres .
[18:29] <k1l_> somenickasd: some manufacturers/providers block tethering on android. with cyanogenmod it works
[18:30] <ben_g> Bashing-om: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12523605/
[18:30] <Bashing-om> ben_g: reading .
[18:31] <somenickasd> k1l_ Freddie_Mercury thanks for the infos
[18:31] <Freddie_Mercury> np
[18:31] <Guest41862> hi, i need help to install silverlight in firefox... to watch film, tv
[18:31] <somenickasd> k1l_ that certainly would make my device a lot more useful
[18:32] <kubast2> thx
[18:32] <kubast2> worked
[18:32] <Freddie_Mercury> kubast2: Excellent. :)
[18:32] <Guest41862> hmm anybody helps me ?
[18:33] <Bashing-om> ben_g: " 25.378] (**) |-->Inactive Device "intel" "" Optimus technology ? Have you been using nvidia-prime to swich graphics sets ?
[18:33] <ben_g> Bashing-om: Optimus, yes. But I think I used bumblebee to switch between graphics cards.
[18:33] <Strider> good evening
[18:34] <af_> hi
[18:34] <Guest41862> what about silverlight ?
[18:35] <Guest41862> i cant't watch tv etc... any solution (windows only ???)
[18:35] <MonkeyDust> Guest41862  i'm not sure if silverlight is still maintained
[18:35] <smellsLikeGoatSp> Hello everyone, I am having problems with ddrescue. I get " can't open input file" error. any clue?
[18:35] <genii> Guest41862: Try the pipelight PPA
[18:36] <Guest41862> i tried pipelight 5.1 and 5.0 ... and still nothing
[18:36] <Guest41862> why linux can watch tv/films on web sites where is need silverlight
[18:36] <ben_g> Bashing-om: is nvidia-prime better? If so, how do I switch to it?
[18:37] <Strider> Long Live Ubuntu ...  Hurray!   Hurray!  Hurray!!11!! :)
[18:37] <MonkeyDust> long live Strider hooray!
[18:37] <Guest41862> strider - try pinguy - more frienly
[18:38] <Strider> ehehehe thank you !
[18:38] <Strider> i wish i had switched to Ubuntu 10 years ago
[18:38] <julio> ok
[18:40] <Strider> Guest41862:  thanks for the tip
[18:40] <loa> is there any way to set niceness to proccess permanently?
[18:40] <loa> for example by proccess name?
[18:41] <loa> i want to play game and run some proccess in background, and don't want my game loose too much fps
[18:41] <Guest41862> Strider - i'm still testing, and i'm very happy to working with this distro
[18:42] <Strider> wow it sounds very promising
[18:42] <Bashing-om> ben_g: Well. yeah Nvidia-prime is now considered the better means. As to the current problem; Nvidia recommends the 352 version driver, you are trying to build the 340 driver. I think - just my thought - you should purge BumbleBee and the current Nvidia driver, install the Nvidia driver from our repo .// What returns ' sudo ubuntu-drivers list ' ?
[18:42] <k1l_> Guest41862: Strider for other non ubuntu distros better check their support. we can only support ubuntu flavours in here
[18:43] <Strider> which things are more friendly in Pinguy than in Ubuntu ?
[18:43] <Strider> aight ty k1l_
[18:43] <Gh0stB0y> Hey I'm trying to run some basic java games and failing at it.  Minecraft doesn't give me an error but starmade managed to give me this.  SSLException: java.lang.RuntimeException: Unexpected error: java.security.InvalidAlgorithmParameterException: the trustAnchors parameter must be non-empty
[18:44] <MonkeyDust> loa  try   renice -n 15 `pgrep [game name here]`
[18:44] <ben_g> Bashing-om: nvidia-340-updates and nvidia-340.
[18:44] <Guest41862> pinguy is a like fork ubuntu, but more friendly and offer much more than ubuntu... and of course i came from chat pinguy to you (ubuntu)
[18:44] <ben_g> Bashing-om: so I should run 'sudo apt-get purge bumblebee' ?
[18:44] <loa> MonkeyDust, alread have this, but it is not what i want
[18:44] <loa> i want something automatic
[18:45] <loa> game i run from steam
[18:45] <Guest41862> which ? for me much more give me on start (install) than ubuntu
[18:45] <loa> ah i can add my own command to steam
[18:45] <loa> i will do this
[18:45] <loa> i forgot about that feature
[18:45] <k1l_> Strider: i would not count that as a plus if users from others distros need to come to ask in #ubuntu for support because their distro doesnt offer support
[18:45] <Gh0stB0y> ^
[18:45] <Strider> ic
[18:45] <Strider> lool true k1l_
[18:46] <Strider> all beginnings are small :P
[18:46] <Guest41862> ubuntu don't offer help about plugin silverlight too..., so - for me t is the same "help"
[18:47] <Strider> well .. a plugin is usually from a third party
[18:47] <k1l_> Guest41862: please stop that ubuntu rantings and asking for pinguy support on the same time. see the pinguy support on your issue, thanks
[18:47] <Guest41862> OK - we all small, but pinguy gave me more usefull programs
[18:48] <Guest41862> kll_ .. but you can't help user's ubuntu with the same problem like me (unable to watch films with plugin silverlight)
[18:48] <Gh0stB0y> Hey I'm trying to run some basic java games and failing at it.  Minecraft doesn't give me an error but starmade managed to give me this.  SSLException: java.lang.RuntimeException: Unexpected error: java.security.InvalidAlgorithmParameterException: the trustAnchors parameter must be non-empty
[18:49] <Bashing-om> ben_g: Like this; BumbleBee is the open source project to support hybrid graphics, back when therre was no support. Nvidia has stepped up to the plate and now offers their support to us in the form of nvidia-prime to support their driver .
[18:50] <Strider> ghostboy i dunno but it sounds like some bug in the code
[18:51] <ben_g> Bashing-om: Well, I'm willing to switch, but I'd rather not do the installation without someone guiding me, I've messed up drivers in the past...
[18:51] <Bashing-om> ben_g: 340 offered is disappointing . What release are you running ? as 14.04 has the later drivers availale . I may be in a learning mode here .
[18:51] <ben_g> I'm running 14.04 LTS.
[18:51] <Pici> Gh0stB0y: which java are you using?
[18:52] <ben_g> * Bashing-om: 14.04 LTS.
[18:52] <blah-> !ubuntu
[18:52] <Gh0stB0y> Pici:  I have tried the available IcedTea from the repos and I have sinced removed that and got the available files from the Java site.
[18:52] <Bashing-om> ben_g: Think'n .. I am surprised that 352 is not offered to you .
[18:53] <Pici> Gh0stB0y: be sure that you're actually using sun java though, you may need to run through sudo update-java-alternatives
[18:53] <ben_g> Bashing-om: I always install updates when they're available though (as long as ubuntu itself asks me about it).
[18:55] <Bashing-om> ben_g: Yah, always keep the system updated . Let's verify from the system what card is installed so I can recheck. what returns ' lspci -vnn | grep -i VGA ' ?
[18:56] <Gh0stB0y> Pici:  Tried that and all it did was spit out the basic JRE instructions.  Added -a and it said there were no alternative java installations installed
[18:57] <ben_g> Bashing-om: Intel corporation 3rd gen core processor Graphics controller.
[18:57] <ben_g> Bashing-om: iirc the nvidia card isn't connected to outputs but it streams trough the intel one.
[18:58] <Pici> Gh0stB0y: Consider using the WebUpda8 PPA, which should integrate with the alternatives system. https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/ubuntu/java
[18:58] <ben_g> Bashing-om: I'm pretty sure the card is a 710m though.
[18:58] <Strider> i have version 15.04   .. it works like a charm
[18:59] <Strider> Thank you Ubuntu >:D<
[18:59] <Gh0stB0y> Pici:  Ok I'll see what happens
[18:59] <Gh0stB0y> thx
[18:59] <Strider> freedom at last
[19:00] <Bashing-om> ben_g: True that ^ . How about ' lspci -nnk | grep -iA2 3D ' . As I realy do want to know what the hardware for Nvidia is .
[19:01] <Strider> i still have to learn the terminal commands
[19:01] <Gh0stB0y> Pici:  How do I use that command?
[19:02] <ben_g> Bashing-om: Nvidia corporation 117M rev a1.
[19:02] <Pici> Gh0stB0y: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:webupd8team/java && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install oracle-java8-installer
[19:02] <ben_g> Bashing-om: Is that what you need? There's still a bit more displayed.
[19:03] <Pici> Gh0stB0y: or java7, if you prefer that.  Once its done, do sudo update-java-alternatives -s java-8-oracle
[19:03] <Bashing-om> ben_g: Well, 710m is a bit aged, I can accept that the 340 version is all that is available for this card in our repos. And I would still purge BumbleBee in favor of the nvidia-prime, purge the present driver and (re-)install . Worth a shot to see what results. // GeForce 117M ?
[19:03] <Knight80> Hello everyone
[19:03] <Strider> hello knight80
[19:04] <Knight80> Does anybody know which code I should type to restart a Java class?
[19:04] <mauvehed> problem: on report something is overriding /etc/network/interfaces -- info: ubuntu 12.04, VM running in vCenter/ESXi 5.5 -- Verified: network-manager is not installed nor enabled -- suggestions of what else could be causing an overwrite?
[19:04] <Gh0stB0y> FSociety:  I didn't know TV shows could talk
[19:04] <mauvehed> s/report/reboot/
[19:05] <ben_g> Bashing-om: 117M is what the command wrote to the screen. The specs of the laptop list it as geforce 710M.
[19:05] <Knight80> I'm developing a programme in java which takes out some random numbers for the lottery
[19:06] <ben_g> Bashing-om: the laptop is about 2 years old, btw.
[19:06] <Bashing-om> ben_g: Pasetbin that last 'lspci'please, as I see no listing for a 117M at the Nvidia site .
[19:06] <Strider> knight80 cool
[19:07] <Knight80> But I don't know how to restart a class
[19:07] <Strider> hmm i dunno either
[19:07] <ben_g> Bashing-om: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12523885/
[19:08] <Strider> perhaps new
[19:09] <ben_g> Bashing-om: is switching to nvidia-prime as simple as "sudo apt-get purge bumblebee" followed by "sudo apt-get install nvidia-prime" ?
[19:09]  * m3n3chm0 nasZ
[19:11] <Bashing-om> ben_g: OK, could be a number of different cards ; let's get specific ' grep "[[:space:]]1140" /usr/share/misc/pci.ids ' . Pastebin that one please .
[19:13] <Gh0stB0y> Pici:  It worked thx
[19:13] <Pici> Gh0stB0y: great to hear :)
[19:13] <ben_g> Bashing-om: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12523947/
[19:14] <dezzzz> so i have an issue
[19:15] <genii> !details | dezzzz
[19:16] <dezzzz> initramfs got corrupted, i rebooted the pc unknowingly, booted in a live kali linux to attempt to mount the disk, ran testdisk and now my encrypted luks disk has 2mb instead of 700gb
[19:16] <Bashing-om> ben_g: Purging BumbleBee, even easier, as now when the Nvidia driver is installed nvidia-prime is automatically installed. When we get to that point we ' sudo apt-get purge bumble* ' . To also remove the config files .
[19:17] <Trioxin> I installed the ubuntu installation image to a USB drive and have been using the "Try Ubuntu" option, booting into that. If I save files and install things will they be removed on next reboot? If I want to have an install on the USB drive should I actually install ubuntu to it or can I just keep booting into it this way?
[19:17] <dezzzz> and i still cant access the ubuntu install
[19:17] <dezzzz> i just need the data
[19:17] <ben_g> Bashing-om: so if I purge bumblebee now, everything will work again?
[19:18] <baja> hi i am not able to turn on off  wi-fi
[19:18] <brothersome> Trioxin, You loose everything except the things you stored on another place in the disk and mount that part
[19:19] <mauvehed> looks like the issue was being caused by settings in vCenter (VM->Edit Settings->Options->vApp Options->Properties)
[19:19] <baja> how can i make the wi-fi work
[19:19] <dezzzz> any ideas?
[19:19] <sb_9> how to encryypt executable shell script ?
[19:19] <slambert> hi all
[19:20] <Bashing-om> ben_g: Boy I messed that one up .. took me aback 'till I saw my error . try as ' sudo update-pciids ;  grep "[[:space:]]fa33" /usr/share/misc/pci.ids ' .
[19:20] <baja> all wi-fi labels are off and i cannot manually turn wifi on in the connection manager
[19:20] <Trioxin> brothersome, what size would be the most minimal install of ubuntu desktop?
[19:20] <baja> k1l
[19:20] <alig> ifconfig wlan0 up
[19:20] <sb_9> how to encrypt executable shell script ?
[19:21] <Bashing-om> ben_g: It is no big deal to purge the Nvidia driver and have the system "autoinstall' anew .
[19:21] <brothersome> Trioxin, Ubuntu is big, what size do you want?
[19:21] <Trioxin> sb_9, I have a program for that
[19:21] <Trioxin> brothersome, it's a 16 gig flash drive.
[19:21] <sb_9> Trioxin: what program? can i see that
[19:22] <ben_g> Bashing-om: Are you sure? Installing the nvidia drivers was pretty hard to do and required a large file.
[19:22] <baja> error: SIOCSIFFLAGS: Operation not permitted
[19:22] <brothersome> 16 Gig USB stick? Ubuntu is not designed for that
[19:22] <Trioxin> actually nvm it's 32
[19:23] <baja> alig
[19:23] <Trioxin> surely ubuntu minimal install doesn't take up THAT much
[19:23] <Bashing-om> ben_g: This is linux.  That do remove all doubt huh .. let's purge, clean up and re-install the graphics driver .
[19:26] <sb_9> Trioxin: is it your own code? or did you copied it from internet?
[19:26] <shudon> hi all :) where should i install new trusted ssl certificate authorities' certificates?
[19:26] <alig> 111
[19:26] <baja> ?
[19:26] <dezzz> connection went down
[19:26] <dezzz> any ideas
[19:26] <Trioxin> sb_9, the scripts I compile are my code
[19:26] <dezzz> ???
[19:26] <baja> 14.04
[19:27] <Trioxin> sb_9, I linked you to the compiler
[19:27] <brothersome> dezzz, USB stick?
[19:27] <dezzz> im using an usb stick with kali live
[19:27] <dezzz> thats how i used testdisk
[19:27] <Trioxin> oh wait it is 16gb lol my brain is all over the place today. so whatever 8 gigs install size is fine. I just want to use it for browsing and maybe a few small tools anyway
[19:27] <baja> alig
[19:27] <dezzz> ubuntu live wont work
[19:27] <brothersome> dezzz and you wlan is also a USB stick?
[19:28] <dezzz> wlan?
[19:28] <brothersome> Trioxin, USB?
[19:28] <dezzz> i got a problem with initramfs
[19:28] <alig> what return after "ifconfig" ?
[19:28] <Trioxin> brothersome, yeah
[19:29] <rauco> hello there
[19:29] <Trioxin> it's mostly just to have an encrypted OS on my thumb drive
[19:29] <Trioxin> I know there are much smaller distros
[19:29] <brothersome> Ouch - I prefer puppylinux with the newest Firefox browser - that is much more flash oriented
[19:29] <rauco> I'm trying to figure out which ubuntu release comes with python3 by default
[19:29] <Trioxin> but I don't need that much space
[19:29] <rauco> ?
[19:29] <alig> or iwconfig
[19:29] <baja> can anyone help me i am having difficulties in access wifi its turned off default
[19:30] <Trioxin> brothersome, my concern there is having full repos
[19:30] <ben_g> Bashing-om: I just purged bumblebee. Do I also have to purge the nvidia drivers?
[19:30] <sb_9> Trioxin:  I linked you to the compiler. what does mean?
[19:31] <Trioxin> sb_9 I
[19:31] <Trioxin> linked
[19:31] <Trioxin> you
[19:31] <brothersome> Trioxin, it is just the purpose of an OS, puppy is designed for running from a USB stick and can use the repository of Ubuntu
[19:31] <Trioxin> to the compiler
[19:31] <alig> had same problem butdont remember commANDS )
[19:31] <Trioxin> oh
[19:31] <alig> google wifi driver install ubuntu
[19:31] <Trioxin> brothersome thx, I also heard of a REALLY small linux distro. the name isn't coming to me
[19:32] <Bashing-om> ben_g: ' sudo apt-get purge bumble* ; sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old ; sudo apt-get purge nvidia* ; sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ; sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ; sudo nvidia-xconfig ' .
[19:32] <brothersome> Trioxin, I am the owner of puppylinux.eu but puppylinux.org and .com are the official sites
[19:33] <Trioxin> damn what was that distro. I needed it for doing a custom build
[19:33] <brothersome> For browsing and compiling it is fine, for fun/ daily use, on harddisk with powerfull computers - Ubuntu is better
[19:33] <guntbert> brothersome: Trioxin I currently fail to see what your discussion has to do with Ubuntu support
[19:34] <aliriza> hi
[19:34] <aliriza> i am new at ubuntu
[19:34] <Trioxin> brothersome, puppy uses ubuntu repos though?
[19:34] <guntbert> aliriza: Do you have an ubuntu support question?
[19:34] <brothersome> guntbert, I know - but Ubuntu running from a flash drive is hard, perhaps we should switch the discusssion
[19:34] <Trioxin> the latest ones I presume? AMD?
[19:35] <aliriza> my cursor has problem when ubuntu is at process
[19:35] <brothersome> guntbert, I meant a USB stick
[19:35] <aliriza> it s flushing
[19:35] <aliriza> sorry, flash
[19:35] <guntbert> brothersome: there is always #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:36] <brothersome> Everybody has the ability to complain
[19:36] <Trioxin> topic nazis. whatever
[19:37] <testdrive2> hi
[19:38] <baja> can anyone help me i am having difficulties in access wifi its turned off default
[19:41] <Freddie_Mercury> baja: "By default"? Be more specific; do you mean you have to manually enable it after Ubuntu boots?
[19:41] <geoffmcc> baja: is it that it is disabled, or not installed
[19:41] <trijntje> my pc just suddenly powered down, then it rebooted a couple of times and now the fan keeps running on full all the time. what could be going on?
[19:42] <Trioxin> sb_9, one more time... http://www.datsi.fi.upm.es/~frosal/
[19:42] <Freddie_Mercury> trijntje: Perhaps an overheating problem?
[19:42] <EriC^^> trijntje: try top see if anything is using up the cpu
[19:43] <aliriza> my cursor is flashing, when downloading any file
[19:43] <Freddie_Mercury> trijntje: Follow the first three steps in "Monitoring sensors via the command line with lm-sensors" at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto
[19:43] <trijntje> Freddie_Mercury, EriC^^ I dont think so, cpu usage is low and core temperature is around 36 degrees
[19:43] <Freddie_Mercury> trijntje: Then do 'sensors' in the command line, and paste output, maybe?
[19:44] <Freddie_Mercury> trijntje: What about GPU.
[19:44] <Freddie_Mercury> There's other components that can also produce overheating issues.
[19:44] <trijntje> Freddie_Mercury: http://pastebin.com/3s0WA6vt
[19:44] <Freddie_Mercury> (EH, try to use the pastebin in the topic for next time.)
[19:44] <trijntje> how can I find out the gpu temperature, it doesn't show in sensors
[19:45] <Anetoss> rver iris.irc.gr
[19:45] <Freddie_Mercury> Well, I was wondering, the fan you said that was always on, is that the CPU heatsink fan or the GPU.
[19:45] <Freddie_Mercury> Each has their own fan.
[19:46] <trijntje> Freddie_Mercury: I dont know, it just started
[19:46] <Freddie_Mercury> trijntje: What kind of GPU is it?
[19:46] <k1l_> baja: what did you do that it doesnt work anymore?
[19:47] <trijntje> Freddie_Mercury: ATI Radeon HD5670
[19:47] <Freddie_Mercury> trijntje: Are you using the proprietary driver? If you are, try 'aticonfig --odgt' in terminal.
[19:49] <m0etez> hi,i have a laptop with one ssd and one hdd.can i install ubuntu on the ssd et windows on the hdd ?
[19:49] <trijntje> Freddie_Mercury: temperature of the video card is 33 C
[19:49] <Freddie_Mercury> ._.
[19:49] <Freddie_Mercury> Then it isn't overheated by any means.
[19:49] <k1l_> m0etez: if they are physically 2 different devices (not one hdd with some ssd cache) yes
[19:50] <m0etez> 2 different yes
[19:50] <m0etez> so they will not interfere ?
[19:50] <k1l_> no
[19:50] <trijntje> m0etez: just install windows first
[19:50] <m0etez> ok
[19:50] <m0etez> thanks man
[19:52] <Bashing-om> ben_g: Long time no hear. Hoz it going ?
[19:52] <Freddie_Mercury> trijntje: Could it be that it overheats and *then* shuts down? Some mobos are configured to power off when a certain temperature threshold is reached? Ungraceful shutdowns are mostly caused by that, or by malfunctioning hardware on mobo like caps.
[19:53] <Epx998> Can anyone direct me to a HowTO for adding an ubuntu apt source to Spacewalk?
[19:53] <ben_g> Bashing-om: The ubuntu-drivers autoinstall has just finished.
[19:53] <trijntje> Freddie_Mercury: could it be a problem with the power supply? I can reproduce the problem pretty well by watching a HD vid on youtube, but playing a game on windows for an hour doesnt trigger it
[19:53] <Freddie_Mercury> trijntje: Holy crap.
[19:54] <darius93> is there any way to get kate 5 on ubuntu 14.04? I would compile it if the libraries existed in the repo
[19:54] <trijntje> my hypothesis is that its more connected to the power draw from the graphics card then actual heat production
[19:54] <Bashing-om> ben_g: K .. when all done, reboot and let's see the effect .
[19:54] <Freddie_Mercury> trijntje: That's... exactly what happened on my HP desktop that died; it had an Nvidia GPU and it also shut down ungracefully when watchin videos on YouTube.
[19:54] <Freddie_Mercury> trijntje: And ... it was overheated.
[19:54] <Freddie_Mercury> My problem there was that I was using the Nouveau drivers on another distro, which were crap on that card.
[19:55] <Freddie_Mercury> And overdrove it/didn't support it well.
[19:55] <cipenuk> hello
[19:55] <Freddie_Mercury> So, it was always *idling* at 85C.
[19:55] <cipenuk> any 1 good with graphics issues?
[19:56] <cipenuk> after a recent update my desktop over hangs
[19:56] <Bashing-om> Epx998: Define "spacewalk" please .
[19:56] <trijntje> Freddie_Mercury: I guess I can try to open it up and clean it out, it might have gotten dusty. I have the problem on both windows and ubuntu, so its not a driver issue
[19:56] <Freddie_Mercury> trijntje: Right, that seems then like a hardware-defined behavior to protect itself.
[19:57] <geoffmcc> trijntje: how old is the display adapter?
[19:57] <Freddie_Mercury> trijntje: WHat I would do is try to log the temperature of the GPU as you play videos and see if it starts shooting up.
[19:57] <Epx998> Bashing-om: oh dear..
[19:57] <Bashing-om> cipenuk: Propritary graphics driver ? - Have you purged and (RE-)installed the driver ?
[19:57] <trijntje> geoffmcc: pretty old I'd say, at least 5 years or so
[19:58] <cipenuk> all i know is it says i have a driver  for amd installed is there a way to find out for sure what one i have?
[19:58] <cipenuk> its a radeon hd 5450
[19:58] <ben_g> Bashing-om: My laptop fully starts now, but how can I now run a program with the dedicated gpu?
[19:59] <geoffmcc> trijntje: yeah, i have had pretty much the same issue with nvidia cards. Desktop easly replaced, but on my old laptop i resorted to placing it on top of a window fan until i got a new one
[19:59] <cipenuk> not sure how to purfge and reinstall
[19:59] <cipenuk> purge
[19:59] <Freddie_Mercury> trijntje: http://askubuntu.com/questions/614081/nvidia-geforce-gt-240m-running-hot-on-kubuntu-64bit
[19:59] <Pici> Epx998: spacewalk supposedly has a channel here on freenode in #spacewalk, but it doesn't look too populated. You might also be able to get an answer in #ubuntu-server
[19:59] <Freddie_Mercury> trijntje: It's problems like that and its symptoms ("When I start a YouTube-Video the GPU temperature raises within 5 minutes up to 106°C and Linux goes down.") that reminded me of my own issue and now yours.
[19:59] <Bashing-om> cipenuk: Yeah there are means. what release are you on ? later releeses now have better tools .
[20:00] <Freddie_Mercury> And 106 C is just nuts.
[20:00] <trijntje> geoffmcc, Freddie_Mercury the only difference is that my card sits at 33 when not in use
[20:00] <cipenuk> currently i installed  14.04 it worked fine untill i did the update software
[20:00] <m3n3chm0> hi, in Xubuntu 15.04 how can I move or adjunt in one place the WICD icon on the panel ¿?
[20:00]  * m3n3chm0 hi
[20:00] <Bashing-om> ben_g: Great .. The GUI way is from nvidia-prime . should be available in the Nvidia settings .
[20:01] <Freddie_Mercury> trijntje: OK -- but the way you're describing it, it's when it goes into use that its temperature possibly shoots up, till it reaches its hardware-defined limit to avoid permanent damage. The *reason* your card is doing that, I am not so sure, dust on it could be the culprit.
[20:01] <Bashing-om> ben_g: One no longer has to 'optirun' .
[20:01] <trijntje> geoffmcc, Freddie_Mercury I'm watching the temperature of the video card and I'm gonna start a youtube video. If is disconnect you'll know why ;)
[20:01] <Freddie_Mercury> trijntje: Log the temperature, even if by hand.
[20:02] <Freddie_Mercury> Keep that ati command ready.
[20:02] <trijntje> i'm writing it to disk every second
[20:02] <Freddie_Mercury> I'd write it to an external drive just in case your system goes down for good (hope it doesn't).
[20:02] <Freddie_Mercury> (My HP did. ._.)
[20:02] <EriC^^> how can i use shockwave with firefox or chrome?
[20:03] <cipenuk> so should i uninstall my driver? then reinstall?
[20:03] <cipenuk> and how whould i do that?
[20:03] <Bashing-om> cipenuk: in 14.04 too see the hardware: terminal command ' sudo ubuntu-drivers devices ' to see what drivers the repo offers ' sudo ubuntu-drivers list ' .
[20:03] <ben_g> Bashing-om: I do indeed see the option to change the graphics card that is used between intel and nvidia, but it says that that setting is applied on logout.
[20:03] <Epx998> Pici: Was hoping ubuntu folk have used it, generally SysA's are familar with cross-distro package management.  Ill keep searching the interwebs.
[20:04] <ben_g> Is there no runtime solution for it anymore?
[20:04] <Pici> Epx998: good luck
[20:04] <Bashing-om> ben_g: Correct, select the GPU and then relog .. Will come back up using that GPU .
[20:05] <cipenuk> == /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:09.0/0000:02:00.0 ==
[20:05] <cipenuk> modalias : pci:v00001002d000068F9sv0000174Bsd0000E164bc03sc00i00
[20:05] <cipenuk> model    : Cedar [Radeon HD 5000/6000/7350 Series]
[20:05] <cipenuk> vendor   : Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
[20:05] <cipenuk> driver   : fglrx - distro non-free
[20:05] <cipenuk> driver   : fglrx-updates - distro non-free
[20:05] <ben_g> Bashing-om: Thank you for helping me.
[20:06] <Bashing-om> ben_g: Hey, glad to be of assistance, Pass it own .
[20:07] <palladin2> hello
[20:07] <cipenuk> i can go into my software uodate and see 3 different options but it dont seems to help which oner i choose
[20:07] <Bashing-om> !paste | cip
[20:08] <cipenuk> ok thanks and again sorruy
[20:08] <alphalinux> hows ubuntu going
[20:08] <k1l_> alphalinux: great
[20:09] <alphalinux> kewl k1l_
[20:09] <Bashing-om> cipenuk: Can not hurt a thing to purge and RE-install a driver. What is the specific problem as is ?
[20:09] <cipenuk> ok so any ideas it only started to over hang after an update
[20:09] <geoffmcc> trijntje: now that i think of it... are you using html5 in youtube or flash?
[20:09] <cipenuk> the edge of my desktop hangs over
[20:09] <cipenuk> its liek 1/2 inch is cut off all the way around
[20:09] <geoffmcc> or is all of youtube html5 now? dont youtube much
[20:09] <trijntje_> geoffmcc: html5
[20:10] <cipenuk> how do i purge and reinstall?
[20:10] <Bashing-om> cipenuk: That to me is a resolution issue, perhaps others can advise in this respect better than I .
[20:10] <geoffmcc> trijntje_: ok, nevermind... guess thats not it
[20:10] <trijntje_> geoffmcc, Freddie_Mercury my pc rebooted after like 5 sec of watching youtube on 720p, but the temperature was stable on 34 C
[20:11] <Freddie_Mercury> o.0
[20:11] <cipenuk> it worked before my update so i was thinking it was one of my files is all i know
[20:11] <cipenuk> any way to roll back my updates/
[20:13] <cipenuk> any 1 good with graphics issues/
[20:13] <wileee> cipenuk, state the issue with the hardware for help.
[20:14] <cipenuk> i have a radeon 5450 card i have ubuntu 14.04 installed worked fine untill i did a software update now my screen hangs over my desktop
[20:16] <AaronZ800> cipenuk you probably need to update the drivers
[20:16] <cipenuk> how do i do that?
[20:16] <AaronZ800> or possibly revert depending on what was installed
[20:16] <cipenuk> is there a way to roll back my l;ast updates?
[20:17] <wileee> AaronZ800, If you know answer users, not probably here please.
[20:17] <Epx998> Where can I find the pgp for an apt source I have installed?
[20:17] <trijntje_> cipenuk: no, you cannot roll back updates easily
[20:17] <wileee> cipenuk, no roll back of updates overall, individual packages yes at times.
[20:18] <cipenuk> ok well im open to suggestion
[20:18] <cipenuk> how do i update my driver?
[20:18] <wileee> cipenuk, patience is one, free volunteer help here.
[20:18] <trijntje_> geoffmcc, Freddie_Mercury Any ideas on what could be the problem since its not overheating of my GPU?
[20:18] <cipenuk> yes for sure much appreciated
[20:19] <geoffmcc> trijntje_: what browser?
[20:19] <Freddie_Mercury> trijntje_: ANother idea that occured to me; since GPU's have their own (often substantial) power requirement (wattage), it could be a malfunctioning PSU.
[20:19] <cipenuk> all i know is my desktop was fine before i did the software update
[20:20] <geoffmcc> trijntje_: the only thing that really comes to mind is hardware accelaration if using chrome, but not sure that would cause this
[20:20] <trijntje_> geoffmcc: firefox, but the crashes are not exclusive to firefox. watching HD vids in firefox is just the best way to trigger a reboot
[20:21] <geoffmcc> trijntje_: is it only hd vids. does it matter if full screen or not?
[20:21] <Bashing-om> cipenuk: As a quicky that "might" have good results; ' sudo amdconfig --initial ' . to regenerate the config file .
[20:21] <trijntje_> Freddie_Mercury: thats what I was thinking too, since the power supply is also older. But I'm not sure how to test that, or if they even reduce power output over time
[20:21] <trijntje_> geoffmcc: hd vid is most reliable way, fullscreen doesnt seem to matter
[20:22] <cipenuk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12525095/
[20:22] <cipenuk> ok did that it spit out some stuff
[20:23] <geoffmcc> trijntje_: i would still maybe disable hardware accel then in firefox and at least test it... can always turn back on if not it
[20:24] <Freddie_Mercury> Yeah, do try that. iirc that was something else I tried with my HP.
[20:24] <Freddie_Mercury> Turning off hardware acceleration, that is; still happened.
[20:24] <geoffmcc> trijntje_: im reading some outdated stuff, but some people had problems with nvidia and hardware acel
[20:24] <energizer> My computer woke from sleep last night for no reason. It wasn't the mouse. How do I find out what happened?
[20:24] <cipenuk> wow ur the greatest it worked
[20:25] <cipenuk> thank you so much
[20:25] <trijntje_> geoffmcc: I have an ATI card. Do you happen to know how to disable hardware acceleration for the video card?
[20:25] <Freddie_Mercury> geoffmcc: Heh, yes. Nvidia was my card.
[20:25] <dezzz> now can I get help? Mine is a hairy issue
[20:25] <Freddie_Mercury> trijntje_: Can't you do it in the browser.
[20:25] <Bashing-om> cipenuk: Who > and what worked ?
[20:25] <wileee> !ask | dezzz
[20:25] <trijntje_> found it
[20:26] <Freddie_Mercury> trijntje_: Legit.
[20:26] <alig> !patience
[20:26] <cipenuk> you  sudo amdconfig --initial
[20:26] <trijntje_> here we go again ;)
[20:26] <dezzz> initramfs was corrupted and i rebooted my pc, so i used testdisk to try to repair the partition but my data partition was repartitioned so testdisk went nuts and made it look like its 2mb instead of 750gb
[20:26] <cipenuk> once i did that i could change my resolutions
[20:26] <Bashing-om> cipenuk: :)
[20:26] <Freddie_Mercury> I'll be away for a bit removing my facial hair, will check in again in a bit. ;) Good luck, trijntje_.
[20:26] <cipenuk> thank uyo again
[20:27] <netameta> Anyone familir with http://www.osboxes.org/, is it a trusted source ?
[20:27] <cipenuk> now im going to restart my cpu to make sure it sticks brb if fails other wise thank u again
[20:28] <trijntje_> thanks Freddie_Mercury
[20:28] <netameta> I want to download a ubuntu 14.04 64 image not sure if i can trust it
[20:28] <Bashing-om> Cipri: :) .. all in how you point the finger .
[20:28] <dezzz> netameta: checksum it
[20:29] <netameta> dont know what that means dezzz
[20:29] <Bashing-om> netameta: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop .
[20:29] <k1l_> netameta: i bet they changed some stuff. but we cant know what they changed. better load a ubuntu.iso and install it manually
[20:29] <daftykins> !md5 | netameta
[20:31] <netameta> I've been trying to install ununtu 14.04 that was download for the site, the past hour an a half and its stuck on cpu something
[20:31] <guntbert> netameta: the md5-idea from dezzz wont't help in this case
[20:32] <netameta> the md5 idea wont help check if an installation is valid ?
[20:32] <dezzz> it will help check if the iso you downloaded is valid
[20:32] <m3n3chm0> i'm usinf wicd but i have to edit /etc/resolv.conf to have internet
[20:33] <wileee> netameta, what is your definition of valid?
[20:33] <guntbert> netameta: the checksums provied on the Ubuntu website are for the genuine Ubuntu ISO images
[20:33] <m3n3chm0> this file is overriten  by resolvconf
[20:33] <m3n3chm0> any clue to fix this issue on wicd ¿'
[20:33] <guntbert> *provided
[20:33] <trijntje_> geoffmcc: it looks like disabling hardware acceleration in firefox works. But what does that tell us about the underlying problem?
[20:34] <netameta> wileee, well to make sure its a good instlation really
[20:35] <netameta> whats annoying is i have a virtual box instllation that works fine, and have everything i needed set, but for some reason its some what slow, its set to 4GB or ram, and 4 cores
[20:35] <wileee> netameta, Ah, I suspected that, not the best word has multiple meanings. I would just address the actual problems you may be having one at a time.
[20:35] <trijntje_> netameta: try to give it some more video memory
[20:36] <geoffmcc> trijntje_: glad that seems to work. cant really say for sure, but it is not playing well with your adapter. still may be a driver issue
[20:36] <netameta> trijntje_, Now you want to steal my viedoe memory !!
[20:36] <geoffmcc> trijntje_: or its a failing adapter or maybe just outdated...
[20:37] <trijntje_> geoffmcc: the problem exists in both windows and ubuntu, so I don't think its a driver issue. Maybe a power supply issue?
[20:37] <wileee> netameta, If I was in a vm I would run a light desktop, I would have used the net-install lubuntu probably.
[20:37] <geoffmcc> trijntje_: i think firefox will tell you somewhere if hardware accel is even supported with adapter
[20:38] <netameta> wileee,  i am trying/have tried to run the normal ubuntu installation - from the ubuntu site
[20:38] <netameta> But it stuck on cpu stablzing something
[20:38] <Attilaxx> hi
[20:38] <k1l_> netameta: on what virt software?
[20:38] <wileee> netameta, Cool, it may just be the vid memory needed, I max it here.
[20:38] <Attilaxx> how can i mount samba share in nautilus ?
[20:38] <Attilaxx> i want to mount windows share
[20:39] <trijntje_> Attilaxx: file -> connect to server
[20:39] <geoffmcc> trijntje_: i dont use firefox, but i think you can go to about, support and then graphics and it will tell you if its supposed to be supported with your card
[20:39] <k1l_> Attilaxx: just press on network search on the left bookmarks site
[20:39] <Attilaxx> i know
[20:39] <Attilaxx> it cant finds
[20:39] <Attilaxx> anything
[20:39] <Attilaxx> btw i'M using fedora
[20:39] <Attilaxx> but i cant connect to the fedora irc idk why
[20:40] <k1l_> Attilaxx: then please ask the fedora guys what they changed that it doesnt work
[20:40] <netameta> k1l_, vmware workstation
[20:40] <k1l_> Attilaxx: ask in #freenode for help with this network
[20:40] <Attilaxx> oh okay
[20:40] <Attilaxx> thans
[20:42] <trijntje_> geoffmcc: as I see it firefox is just a symptom of the underlying problem. A userspace program shouldn't be allow to crash even the X server or ubuntu, let alone do a cold reboot of the whole system
[20:42] <trijntje_> from both ubuntu and windows
[20:43] <netameta> Could it be that vmware is faster then virtual box ?
[20:43] <k1l_> most beginners best start with virtualbox
[20:44] <daftykins> netameta: always felt so in my experience, but then i have old hardware :>
[20:45] <orlando_> *quit
[20:45] <netameta> k1l_, i have an image of VB
[20:45] <netameta> but its so slow, to the point typing react about 2 secs after i type
[20:45] <netameta> Thats unworkable
[20:45] <netameta> Thats why i want to try vmware
[20:46] <k1l_> netameta: are you sure you have powerfull hardware to virtualise and are sure to give enough hardware to the virt. guest?
[20:46] <geoffmcc> trijntje_: yeah, i heard of it locking up system, but not rebooting it... cant really say why its able to do that. maybe the logs will have some info?
[20:46] <netameta> I am not sure about Gcard, but i gave it 4gb or ram, and 4 cores, 20gb of disc space
[20:47] <Freddie_Mercury> geoffmcc: I thought logs existed for things that shut down the system gracefully?
[20:47] <Freddie_Mercury> As in, issuing the shutdown command.
[20:47] <Freddie_Mercury> This is a cold shutdown.
[20:47] <Freddie_Mercury> Like, immediate powerdown.
[20:47] <netameta> k1l_, i dont think i can increase the size of storage
[20:48] <k1l_> netameta: storage is enough for a basic install.
[20:48] <netameta> it was on 1 mb video memory
[20:49] <netameta> i increased it to 60 now
[20:49] <netameta> will check
[20:49] <k1l_> netameta: be sure to check the right cpu settings in the vbox setup for that guest. and again: try a original ubuntu.iso install instead of non-original ones where no one knows whats changed
[20:49] <k1l_> netameta: give it a lot more vram
[20:49] <netameta> I only used the original ubuntu installation
[20:49] <netameta> will see about vram
[20:50] <geoffmcc> Freddie_Mercury: no errors should be logged.. might be in kern.log
[20:50] <netameta> k1l_, vram - video ram ?
[20:50] <k1l_> netameta: yes
[20:50] <Freddie_Mercury> geoffmcc; could be.
[20:50] <netameta> k1l_, well i only have 128
[20:50] <netameta> i gave it 60
[20:51] <k1l_> ok
[20:51] <k1l_> 1mb was much to low
[20:52] <netameta> ok restarting to check
[20:52] <netameta> wait - managed to get the vm ware to install the original
[20:54] <netameta> k1l_, Ah wow that did it
[20:54] <netameta> vram, and cpus
[20:54] <netameta> works like a charm now
[20:54] <netameta> no need to reset the vmware
[20:55] <geoffmcc> Freddie_Mercury: sorry not kern.log.. i meant syslog and possibly dmesg
[20:55] <Freddie_Mercury> Hm,
[20:55] <Freddie_Mercury> If it's a PSU malfunctioning, I wonder what those logs would even have.
[20:55] <Freddie_Mercury> Other than just mysteriously stoppin.
[20:55] <Freddie_Mercury> g
[20:57] <netameta> k1l_, trijntje_  and wileee , Thanks for help
[20:58] <VRANGEL> JOIN #7THGUARD
[20:58] <trijntje_> I'll see if I still have another PSU somewhere, at least it doesn't crash on youtube anymore sinc I've disabled hardware acceleration. Thanks geoffmcc and Freddie_Mercury for the help
[20:59] <Freddie_Mercury> trijntje_: Sure; though it shouldn't be happening at all, even with hardware accel. enabled.
[21:00] <TJ-> trijntje_: Sounds like a dodgy VRM or PSU capacitor
[21:00] <Copernicus22>  acpi pcc probe failed    after upgrade to ubuntu 15.04 :(
[21:00] <Freddie_Mercury> TJ-: Yep called it before; caps often have those issues.
[21:01] <trijntje_> Freddie_Mercury: true, i'll have to figure out whats causing it before the cold reboots corrupt my harddisk
[21:01] <mcphail> Copernicus22: ignore it
[21:01] <Freddie_Mercury> trijntje_: Yeah, it's why I said to log to an external disk before, because there's only so many times the system will survive that.
[21:01] <trijntje_> TJ-: So if its a PSU capacitor I'll need a new power supply, but if its a VRM i'll need a whole new motherboard?
[21:01] <TJ-> Freddie_Mercury: There seems to be a renewed 'wave' of failures again
[21:02] <Freddie_Mercury> TJ-: Perhaps it's due to new outsourcing, reduction of standards, etc.
[21:02] <TJ-> trijntje_: Ha! No... spend maybe £1.20 on some new quality capacitors and replace the failed caps.
[21:02] <mcphail> Copernicus22: the message is simply spam from the 3.19 kernel
[21:02] <Copernicus22> ok
[21:02] <Freddie_Mercury> iirc, to see which are the failed caps you'll need to see which ones are bulging.
[21:02] <Freddie_Mercury> But that's more of a ##hardware issue.
[21:04] <TJ-> Freddie_Mercury: bulging tops due to gassing, or signs of leakage around the pins on the PCB
[21:04] <Freddie_Mercury> Yeah, the leakage of the dielectric/insulating material is another hallmark.
[21:05] <daftykins> non solid caps, if in use
[21:08] <trijntje_> TJ-: thanks for the advice, i'll have a look inside the case to see if there are any obvious problems with capacitors
[21:09] <TJ-> trijntje_: if you're not familiar with the signs, there are lots of great photo resources easily found of suspect caps
[21:10] <ryan_461>
[21:14] <trijntje_> TJ-: I'll google around a bit, since I have no experience with this. How risky would it be to keep using the PC for a few days? I have backups of all my data, but I dont want to fry any other component of my pc
[21:17] <Freddie_Mercury> trijntje_: If videos are the only trigger, I'd avoid that -- possibly anything else that uses the GPU intensively. Perhaps try to disable the GPU for now and only use the CPU's onboard graphics?
[21:18] <wh0ami> hi guys
[21:18] <Freddie_Mercury> Hi.
[21:18] <wh0ami> how can i see my ubuntu server version?
[21:19] <Freddie_Mercury> wh0ami: 'cat /etc/*-release'
[21:19] <zykotick9> wh0ami: "lsb_release -a" is one method
[21:19] <wh0ami> thx Freddie_Mercury zykotick9
[21:19] <Freddie_Mercury> np
[21:22] <TJ-> trijntje_: hard to say. usually it'll just refuse to start at some point as the caps dry out, but it may only affect high-power demand. Remember it may not be capacitors, but right now its the most obvious suspcet.
[21:23] <Freddie_Mercury> TJ-: "usually it'll just refuse to start at some point as the caps dry out" ._. I now suspect that's what happened to my HP.
[21:23] <Freddie_Mercury> It just died and now refuses to boot.
[21:24] <TJ-> Freddie_Mercury: Usually it can be jump-started by pre-warming them in an emergency :)
[21:25] <trijntje_> I'll just try to prevent high load untill I have a chance to look more carfully, thanks again everone who helped me. Good night!
[21:32] <ubuntu770> Hi
[21:33] <ubuntu770> Че как
[21:33] <k1l_> !ru | ubuntu770
[21:34] <ubuntu770> I che eto
[21:35] <Geo> Hi, with fsck, what does 'exited with signal 9' mean?
[21:37] <Twisted> I am trying to setup some routing for two interfaces. I currently have them responding based on the interface it is received. The next step is setting it up to use a specific interface for internet traffic and the other interface for internal traffic.
[21:37] <somenickasd> Geo my thought is that it recieved signal 9 which is SIGKILL from somewhere and attempted to not abort and instead proceed with the fsck
[21:38] <Twisted> Although I have a routing rule and route for the internal it doesn't seem to be following it. Instead everything goes out the interface that is associated with the default GW
[21:38] <Geo> I cant think of any reason it would receive one, if its an actual SIGKILL...
[21:40] <somenickasd> Geo yeah it was just an hypothesis, not sure it's relevant
[21:40] <somenickasd> my other thought ofc is that it exited and set sgkill to something
[21:40] <somenickasd> sent *
[21:41] <daftykins> Twisted: ##networking is more relevant
[21:42] <Twisted> thanks
[21:43] <TJ-> Twisted: you need policy based routing
[21:45] <Twisted> i'm using policy routing.
[21:45] <Twisted> i added a table and set each interface to the respective table
[21:47] <TJ-> Twisted: If the 2 interfaces are connected to different networks then the main routing table is sufficient
[21:48] <Twisted> they're on the same network
[21:48] <TJ-> Twisted: so you want the default route to leave on, say, eth0, and internal LAN traffic to leave on eth1 ?
[21:49] <Twisted> basically yes
[21:49] <TJ-> Twisted: are both interfaces in the same sub-net?
[21:49] <Twisted> yes
[21:50] <daftykins> that sounds like a mistake
[21:50] <TJ-> Twisted: That is going to cause problems due to ARP; I'll let catphish tell you :)
[21:50] <Twisted> thanks
[21:53] <sofian> hmm, speaking of networks and subnets, anyone knows how can i easily set up a virtual network between my qemu vm and host ?
[21:54] <daftykins> i'd bet that's the kind of thing with tonnes of guides online
[21:54] <sofian> sure
[21:54] <daftykins> it also still fits under the category of being more relevant to ##networking :)
[21:54] <sofian> actually my setting is much more complex currently, i think i am able to find myself this one :)
[21:55] <daftykins> yay
[22:20] <Geo> so. the theory is that the disk suffered some physical damage to the platters during a power loss. I've lost that data (input/output errors when trying to open some dirs). I'd like to continue using the disk, but prevent future writes to these apparently damaged areas. How can I tell the disk to not write to where its having issues?
[22:21] <TJ-> Geo: badblocks, but if the surface is damaged that is likely to spread due to the very fine tolerences involved.
[22:22] <Geo> ok
[22:22] <Geo> oh!
[22:22] <Geo> syslog says fsck was killed due to 'out of memory'
[22:22] <Geo> can I fix that somehow?
[22:23] <TJ-> Geo: replace the disk :)
[22:24] <TJ-> Geo: if there is physical damage it is likely there are particles floating about. At any time they could get trapped between heads and platter and cause more damage
[22:25] <Geo> TJ-: if there is physical damage.
[22:25] <Geo> so, re: fsck whcih can help me determine... how can I prevent that out of memory issue?
[22:26] <TJ-> Geo: if fsck is running out of memory something pretty serious is wrong with the disk
[22:26] <Geo> how would that be related to the status of the disk?
[22:28] <TJ-> Geo: if the disk is returning unexpected errors in data it may confuse fsck. Otherwise, there's something else wrong with the system. Maybe fsck executable is corrupted
[22:30] <Geo> TJ-: so memory isn't correlated to that?
[22:32] <daftykins> Geo: share a sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdX
[22:39] <noahmg123> Does anyone have any experience with JACK? I am completely new to it and don't know the first thing when it comes to music making in linux. Can someone point me to a tutorial for complete beginners. All the ones I've found assume I know things that I don't.
[22:40] <daftykins> we don't know what you're runnin
[22:40] <daftykins> g
[22:40] <noahmg123> Ubuntu 15.04
[22:41] <nug700> I installed libvirt library 1.2.12 using apt-get install. This version is out of date, so I downloaded a tarball of the latest. How do I install it?
[22:41] <nug700> properly
[22:43] <wileee> nug700, only supported here as an only option generally.
[22:43] <nug700> what?
[22:44] <wileee> 3rd party is your issue, not the channels
[22:44] <nug700> I just want general instructions on installing tarballs
[22:44] <daftykins> the main advice is: don't.
[22:44] <daftykins> if you're finding software that way, you're doing it wrong :)
[22:45] <nug700> I have the software installed, but it is out of date
[22:45] <nug700> The update version is not availible via apt-get
[22:45] <daftykins> right, so you either have to look for a PPA... or then you can pursue the current angle
[22:45] <daftykins> but you don't go straight to source :)
[22:45] <somenickasd> yeah if you are nto using ap-get chances are good that it will lead to breakage
[22:45] <mcphail> nug700: a tarball is just a bundle of files. There is no "generic" way to install. It may be a case of "./configure && make && sudo make install" or it may be something else completely
[22:47] <nug700> https://libvirt.org/compiling.html
[22:47] <nug700> I have this to go off of
[22:47] <mcphail> nug700: install support should come from whoever created the tarball, but expect things to break
[22:47] <wyoung> libvirt <3
[22:47] <daftykins> definitely purge the packages first
[22:47] <barfod> if you really have to use your own compiled software then isntall it to /home/$USER/bin or /opt
[22:48] <barfod> and confine the run path of the program. it's complex and outside of the scope of this channel's /topic
[22:48] <barfod> though myself and others can probably help on #linux if you like, that is kind of what we do there
[22:48] <daftykins> PPAs are still a more sane approach, everyones neglecting to mention their importance
[22:49] <nug700> curious how the apt-get version becomes 9 months of out date when the newest version is only 20 days old
[22:49] <Bashing-om> !latest
[22:50] <daftykins> because people need to package software
[22:50] <daftykins> it doesn't put itself into OSs automagically ;)
[22:50] <pbx> and ubuntu is relatively conservative in this regard.
[22:50] <barfod> (this is why "we" need _you_) become a servant of free software today and packages things
[22:50] <nug700> then what is the best way to get this safely installed?
[22:51] <daftykins> nug700: A PPA like i said 3 times!
[22:51] <daftykins> for the love of tux.
[22:52] <badboy17> hi
[22:53] <badboy17> hi
[22:53] <badboy17> is anyone here?
[22:53] <daftykins> yes, we saw you :) ask a question if you have one
[22:53] <badboy17> there is 1810 user
[22:54] <daftykins> probably
[22:54] <badboy17> why no one talking
[22:54] <daftykins> because it's a support channel, not a chat channel
[22:54] <badboy17> oh
[22:54] <daftykins> !ot
[22:54] <badboy17> can i take some help for ubuntu?
[22:54] <daftykins> you have to ask a support question first
[22:55] <badboy17> like what?
[22:55] <daftykins> well if you don't have one then you don't need to be here.
[22:55] <badboy17> i guess i have
[22:55] <badboy17> i have windows and ubuntu on my pc
[22:55] <badboy17> but in the GRUB i can't see the windows on list
[22:56] <badboy17> there's just ubuntu
[22:56] <zyrox> Is the Meizu MX4 really out of stock? Anyone know if there is other sellers?
[22:56] <badboy17> how can i fix it?
[22:56] <daftykins> first confirm you have a Windows version installed in either Legacy or EFI mode... then check which mode Ubuntu is installed in
[22:57] <daftykins> they must match
[22:57] <daftykins> zyrox: #ubuntu-touch for the phone talk, off topic here
[22:57] <badboy17> how can i look
[22:57] <daftykins> !efi | badboy17
[22:57] <zyrox> daftykins, thanks
[23:03] <dtaz> how do I get problem with software fixed if author doesn't reply?
[23:03] <daftykins> you don't
[23:03] <daftykins> unless you get the source and learn to work on it yourself :)
[23:04] <dtaz> so I have to stay using windows.. ?
[23:04] <daftykins> well, first off you have to realise that i have _NO_ idea what you're talking about, because you haven't said :)
[23:04] <dtaz> 95% of people don't have the time/knowledge to fix to fix it themselves
[23:05] <daftykins> tell me something i don't know :)
[23:05] <dtaz> *
[23:05] <TJ-> !bugs |  dtaz
[23:05] <jcstarken> question, of late I believe I have ubuntu running better than mint. I am getting a galaxy tablet 10.1 2014 will ubuntu run good on it or what channel do I need for this question thank you
[23:06] <pankid> so my /tmp directory is full, but my root directory has tons of space. df only shows a root partition. Is there some way to control the allowed size of the /tmp directory other than having another partition?
[23:07] <wileee> jcstarken, I would run the hardware and computer against ubuntu on the net if you want to actually know.
[23:07] <jcstarken> wileee: thank you
[23:08] <TJ-> pankid: Does 'df' show /tmp as a tmpfs file-system?
[23:08] <dtaz> so thats the reason when you buy some hardware there is no included linux software etc..   linux too complicated/not enough knowledge out there
[23:08] <pankid> TJ-: no, wierd thing is also, we have a raid which is no longer showing up in df, but does show up in lsblk and is definitly mounted. I guess this systems drive filled up sometime overnight.
[23:09] <TJ-> pankid: try "grep tmpfs /proc/mounts"
[23:10] <TJ-> pankid: If /tmp/ really is part of the root file-system, and that file-system shows plenty of free space, have you also checked whether it has free inodes too? "df --inodes"
[23:10] <pankid> TJ-: yeah, tghat shows /tmp  overflow /tmp tmpfs rw,relatime,size=1024k 0 0
[23:11] <pankid> TJ-: I also checked the inodes, and there is plenty of free space
[23:11] <TJ-> pankid: ah, there you go, size=1MB
[23:11] <TJ-> pankid: is there an entry in /etc/fstab for it?
[23:11] <pankid> strange that it is not showing up in df though
[23:12] <pankid> TJ-: nothing in /etc/fstab besides /proc, /, swap, raid mount thing, and a backup drive
[23:12] <daftykins> dtaz: sorry don't understand you at all
[23:12] <TJ-> pankid: maybe there's a shell alias or function for 'df' that is using some additional command-line options?
[23:13] <TJ-> pankid: what Ubuntu release is it?
[23:13] <pankid> 12.04
[23:13] <TJ-> pankid: blimey! I was about to 'blame' systemd :)
[23:13] <pankid> TJ-: it used to give me every mountpoint until today
[23:13] <pankid> lol
[23:15] <TJ-> pankid: Hmmm; first thing I'd do is check whether there have been some recent package upgrades that could affect system libraries
[23:16] <pankid> Jenkins and java
[23:16] <pankid> dont seem like either of those would cause any issue with df
[23:20] <dtaz> daffykins: I thought 'linux' would have progressed a little better than it has.. thought more people would use it.   If I want to use some hardware.. there is only Win/MacOS app included..  people know how to program in Windows/RAD app.. but not enough knowledge for linux.. APIs etc.. I can program things in Windows.. but I haven't got a clue under linux
[23:20] <TJ-> pankid: No; I was thinking libc.
[23:21] <TJ-> pankid: Check the logs for indications of problems in the last 24 hours
[23:24] <TJ-> pankid: the tmpfs is created by "/etc/init/mounted-tmp.conf" if there is less than 1MB free space on the root file-system, so you have problems
[23:26] <pankid> TJ-: oh, so that was probably done this latest boot when the drive was full. After it was cleared it is still like that. So we need to do another reboot. Wow you are super helpful. Never knew that about tmpfs
[23:27] <fantasma> oi
[23:27] <fantasma> ola
[23:38] <quaesitor> I tried to boot from my linux live cd on a vaio. I  set boot priority in bios to boot from optical drive first. but instead it booted from the harddrive.
[23:39] <tincatdog> quaesitor: how'd you make the disc. On Windows.
[23:39] <bazhang> what version of ubuntu quaesitor
[23:40] <tincatdog> bazhang: does the version matter till we find out how the disc was made
[23:40] <bazhang> tincatdog, ubuntu not fitting on a cd, thats why
[23:40] <Guest55469> Hello! I need help with my installation of Ubuntu alongside Windows 10. Does anyone have any experience in dealing with such things?
[23:41] <quaesitor> 14.04.2 desktop
[23:41] <tincatdog> quaesitor: did you use a DVD
[23:41] <bazhang> quaesitor, did you mean live usb, or did you extract it onto the cd
[23:42] <quaesitor> I made the disk by iso burning it with an external disk writer attached to a mac os x 10.6.8
[23:42] <tincatdog> quaesitor: is it on a DVD or CD
[23:42] <bazhang> quaesitor, did you md5 the iso prior to burning
[23:42] <quaesitor> dvd-r
[23:43] <quaesitor> what does it mean to md5?
[23:43] <bazhang> !md5 | quaesitor
[23:43] <Guest55469> Would anyone please help me install Ubuntu?
[23:43] <bazhang> !dualboot | cluelesspleb
[23:44] <bazhang> read the link above cluelesspleb
[23:44] <cluelesspleb> bazhang thank you
[23:44] <tincatdog> quaesitor: this time boot tapping F12 key. Then it will bring up a bios boot menu.
[23:44] <Ben64> not necessarily f12
[23:44] <bazhang> he should checksum the iso
[23:44] <tincatdog> Ben64: let's try easy first.
[23:44] <quaesitor> f2 is what brings the bios menu up on my windows computer
[23:44] <dani> hey guys
[23:44] <dani> hi
[23:45] <daftykins> dani: yes hi :P
[23:45] <dani> what are you talkni about in here ?
[23:45] <tincatdog> quaesitor: f2 may bring up bios. But usually F12 brings up every bootable device in a menu.
[23:46] <bazhang> ubuntu support dani
[23:46] <dani> aha ok
[23:46] <bazhang> chit chat in #ubuntu-offtopic dani
[23:47] <mattsl> I just noticed that in the file browsing window that pops up to upload files to a web page in Google Chrome, that I can't do anything with the files. Is there something I can do to allow things like move, copy, rename within that window like I can do in Windows?
[23:47] <Ben64> mattsl: what "file browsing window that pops up to upload files to a web page in Google Chrome" ?????
[23:48] <mattsl> I.e. when I want to upload an attachment to an email or a file to a website
[23:48] <mattsl> The window that pops up that lets you choose the file
[23:49] <Ben64> well that is for selecting a file, not copying and stuff
[23:49] <tincatdog> mattsl: if you have file perrmission you can.
[23:50] <mattsl> Ben64: Right, but in MS Windows, you can do all the normal file manipulation there. For example, I want to download a file, then rename it before I email it to someone
[23:50] <tincatdog> mattsl: are you doing this to files in your home folder.
[23:50] <netlar> Wow Arch is way too tough
[23:50] <mattsl> Yes
[23:50] <mattsl> tincatdog: I don't have any options to do anything other than choose the file to upload
[23:50] <netlar> Too heavy of a price to pay for getting current software
[23:51] <netlar> Should be call BrokenArch
[23:51] <fantasma> ola
[23:51] <mattsl> Right clicking gives the options "Add to bookmarks, Show hidden files, Show size column"
[23:51] <fantasma> brasil
[23:51] <tincatdog> mattsl: then it's using CHROME file manager not ubuntus.
[23:51] <bazhang> !br
[23:52] <bazhang> fantasma, ^
[23:52] <tincatdog> quaesitor: anywhere yet
[23:52] <netlar> Thank goodness for Ubuntu
[23:52] <mattsl> tincatdog: Exactly. Can I change that?
[23:52] <netlar> And thank goodness it only happened in Virtual Box
[23:52] <Ben64> mattsl: use a different desktop/file manager?
[23:52] <quaesitor> I can't check the md5 on windows cause the windows computer has a bad case of bsod
[23:53] <Ben64> mattsl: or just rename stuff in your file manager before uploading
[23:53] <quaesitor> anyway I can check on my mac?
[23:53] <Ben64> quaesitor: yes
[23:53] <bazhang> so what computer are you online with now
[23:53] <quaesitor> the mac
[23:53] <mattsl> Ben64: Changing my desktop will cause Chrome to stop using it's own file browser?
[23:54] <bazhang> !hashes
[23:54] <Ben64> mattsl: chrome isn't using its own
[23:54] <netlar> It is learning OS, no way should it be a on a production box
[23:54] <bazhang> netlar, more of an #ubuntu-offtopic chat thing, thanks
[23:54] <quaesitor> fyi, it is the mac that gave me the unreadable disk msg.
[23:55] <mattsl> Ben64: Ok. Seems weird that it's offering to add bookmarks and giving no normal right click options, I figured tincatdog was right...
[23:55] <netlar> ok sorry, just needed to blow that off, done. and done with arch
[23:57] <mattsl> Ben64: You're saying that I need to change my system file manager?
[23:58] <Ben64> mattsl: yep if you really need to rename stuff in a browser window