[01:34] <Guest8359> Anybody home?
[01:34] <Guest8359> Guess not.
[03:32] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[07:11] <ducasse> good morning
[17:16] <leftyfb> tomreyn: I'd really like to know what that webchat's setup was. I said "no" when they brought up Android emulator because they made it seem like they were trying to run android -> windows 10 -> ubuntu server
[17:16] <leftyfb> which would be insane
[17:16] <leftyfb> fine for a "lets see if we can do this" but not "I need to get this working and need support for it"
[17:17] <tomreyn> leftyfb: remember that they started asking about how to run ubuntu server with 4 MB RAM. i don't think this could ever have gone anywhere.
[17:17] <leftyfb> that too
[17:19] <tomreyn> running qemu (or that fork of it they mentioned) on an android phone might be interesting, but certainly not cross platform.
[17:19] <oerheks> and virtualbox..
[17:19] <leftyfb> pretty sure the VM binary is bigger than 4MB :)
[17:20] <leftyfb> on Windows that is
[17:21] <leftyfb> seems to be a shell script on ubuntu
[17:22] <leftyfb> VBManage is 1.1M
[17:26] <tomreyn> i think they really meant to say 4GB (which many of the 32-bit android phones have/had)
[17:26] <tomreyn> well, guessing rather


[02:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #85473 in xserver-xorg-video-trident (main) "gnome windows corrupt upon downward movement" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85473
[07:34] <tepsipakki> X1R7.2 is now officially released: http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/PressReleases/X11R72Released
[07:36] <tepsipakki> +1
[09:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #84558 in xorg (main) "6.10 installer is unuseable at 800x600" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84558
[10:00] <tepsipakki> binary-nvidia doesn't seem to like the new xserver, but I'll try rebuilding restricted-modules
[10:12] <Ubugtu> New bug: #72040 in xresprobe (main) "Screen turns black - Installation on IBM M52" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/72040
[10:28] <tepsipakki> ok, freeze is over? :)
[10:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #23253 in xserver-xorg-video-savage (main) "Using xv with media player get blue screen in Breezy" [Medium,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/23253
[10:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #33617 in xserver-xorg-video-savage (main) "X.org does not initialize screen on IBM T20, T21, T22" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/33617
[10:37] <cjwatson> yes
[10:37] <cjwatson> I think seb128 has the sync lock at the moment
[10:38] <cjwatson> what should go first?
[10:38] <tepsipakki> x11proto*
[10:38] <tepsipakki> wait a sec, I'll dig the proper list
[10:39] <seb128_> hi
[10:39] <tepsipakki> hi
[10:39] <cjwatson> tepsipakki is digging up the list of the first round of syncs to happen for X.org 7.2
[10:39] <seb128> ah, good
[10:40] <tepsipakki> ok, lets start: x11proto-core x11proto-damage x11proto-input x11proto-randr xcb-proto
[10:40] <tepsipakki> those from experimental
[10:40] <tepsipakki> (actually all these syncs are from there)
[10:40] <cjwatson> any ordering for the prototypes? I guess not
[10:40] <tepsipakki> nope, they are just -dev packages
[10:41] <cjwatson> we'll probably have to wait for a publisher run in between each stage
[10:41] <tepsipakki> sure
[10:42] <cjwatson> have you confirmed that there are no other prototype updates from upstream that haven't been packaged yet?
[10:43] <seb128> so "x11proto-core x11proto-damage x11proto-input x11proto-randr xcb-proto" are good to sync from experimental? do we need some extra testing first?
[10:43] <tepsipakki> cjwatson: let me check for the last time :)
[10:43] <tepsipakki> seb128: these are safe
[10:44] <seb128> ok
[10:44] <tepsipakki> xcb-proto is new, btw
[10:44] <tepsipakki> not in ubuntu yet
[10:45] <seb128> tepsipakki: what is your launchpad id?
[10:45] <tepsipakki> seb128: tepsipakki ;)
[10:46] <seb128> easy ;-)
[10:51] <tepsipakki> cjwatson: nope, those are the ones
[10:52] <cjwatson> ok
[10:52] <tepsipakki> actually, x11proto-input for 7.2 is 1.3.2
[10:52] <tepsipakki> but experimental has 1.4.1
[10:53] <tepsipakki> feisty already has 1.3.2-4ubuntu1
[10:53] <seb128> should we sync it then?
[10:54] <tepsipakki> hmm, funny that the debian changelog claims it to be for 7.2
[10:55] <tepsipakki> I'll ask #debian-x
[10:56] <seb128> ok, thank you
[10:57] <tepsipakki> 11:56 < jcristau> I think it is
[10:57] <tepsipakki> :)
[10:57] <tepsipakki> (safe to include)
[10:59] <cjwatson> http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=xorg/proto/inputproto.git FWIW
[11:03] <tepsipakki> debdiff 1.3.2-4u1 vs 1.4.1-1: http://users.tkk.fi/~tjaalton/xorg72/pool/feisty/xorg-test/x11proto-input.debdiff.gz
[11:04] <cjwatson> the Ubuntu change was irrelevant; it should have been build1
[11:04] <tepsipakki> yes but that gives an idea what upstream changed
[11:04] <tepsipakki> of course it is seen from git as well..
[11:06] <cjwatson> looks ok
[11:06] <cjwatson> mostly input hotplug
[11:06] <tepsipakki> yep
[11:06] <cjwatson> hopefully that metrolink stuff isn't used; if so I guess it can be fixed up later
[11:08] <tepsipakki> "
[11:08] <tepsipakki> Clean up some random detritus from the MetroLink merge."
[11:08] <tepsipakki> so, fire away seb128 :)
[11:11] <seb128> I've just finished to clean sync bugs, doing xorg now
[11:11] <seb128> tepsipakki: so "x11proto-core x11proto-damage x11proto-input x11proto-randr xcb-proto" from experimental?
[11:11] <tepsipakki> yes
[11:18] <seb128> tepsipakki: looks like we have an epoch on x11proto-damage and Debian not
[11:19] <tepsipakki> oh..
[11:20] <tepsipakki> so it seems
[11:20] <tepsipakki> bah
[11:20] <tepsipakki> i'll do the merge
[11:20] <seb128> there is no merge to do
[11:21] <seb128> basically get the debian package and dch -i it and use a revision with the epoch
[11:21] <tepsipakki> yes
[11:22] <tepsipakki> I hate epochs
[11:22] <seb128> tepsipakki: ok syncs are ready
[11:23] <seb128> done
[11:23] <tepsipakki> dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address
[11:24] <tepsipakki> is this the recent change?
[11:24] <seb128> yep
[11:24] <cjwatson> use build1 not ubuntu1 if it's just a fake-sync with new epoch
[11:24] <tepsipakki> ok
[11:24] <cjwatson> if you have a decent relationship with #debian-x, it might be possible to persuade them to bump epochs to accommodate us
[11:24] <cjwatson> it wouldn't be the first time
[11:25] <tepsipakki> yes, maybe later
[11:26] <tepsipakki> nexus6 /tmp 5015 % quota |grep WWW
[11:26] <tepsipakki> WWW      98.48 of  100 MB used (98.48%)
[11:26] <tepsipakki> hehe
[11:26] <tepsipakki> I'll put that proto there, a sec
[11:27] <tepsipakki> ok, http://users.tkk.fi/~tjaalton/xorg72/new
[11:28] <tepsipakki> http://users.tkk.fi/~tjaalton/xorg72/new/x11proto-damage_1.1.0-1build1.dsc
[11:29] <seb128> tepsipakki: ok, thank you, looking at it
[11:31] <seb128> tepsipakki: uploaded
[11:32] <tepsipakki> nice, thanks
[11:33] <cjwatson> beat me to it :)
[11:33] <seb128> tepsipakki: thank *you* for working on that ;)
[11:33] <cjwatson> seb128: please remember -v though
[11:34] <tepsipakki> heh
[11:34] <tepsipakki> ok, so the next batch will have to wait for a while?
[11:34] <seb128> cjwatson: ah right, will do for the next one
[11:35] <seb128> tepsipakki: "a while" is not that much
[11:35] <cjwatson> publisher will run at 11:03 UTC
[11:35] <tepsipakki> it's, like, half an hour! :)
[11:35] <cjwatson> given that all this ought to build within an hour, you should be able to start with libraries after that
[11:35] <cjwatson> for stuff that takes longer to build, it can be best to wait to confirm that the binaries will make it
[11:36] <tepsipakki> on my laptop xorg-server took 30min, mesa 1h+, the others were much faster
[11:36] <tepsipakki> and it is a Stinkpad T23 after all
[11:39] <tepsipakki> damn.. damageproto for 7.2 is 1.0.3 not 1.1.0.. Julien Cristau is checking if it is a problem
[11:41] <tepsipakki> shouldn't be: http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=xorg/proto/damageproto.git;a=commitdiff;h=df33455a4506362eff4d393dc7d58c9d73ddf870
[11:41] <cjwatson> doesn't look problematic
[11:42] <tepsipakki> seems that xorg-server needs a patch, otherwise it'll advertise 1.1 when it supports only 1.0..
[11:44] <tepsipakki> http://www.nabble.com/xorg-server:-Changes-to-'upstream-unstable'-t3224973.html
[11:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #52054 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "locks up with some mouse clicks" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/52054
[11:45] <tepsipakki> I'll add that to xorg-server.. jcristau will upload a new version this weekend which has this, so we can merge then again
[11:51] <cjwatson> nod
[11:52] <seb128> tepsipakki: we will not likely get the xorg-server before the WE anyway, will we?
[11:52] <tepsipakki> maybe not
[11:53] <seb128> I'm not sure than uploading a new xorg-server on friday evening is a good idea
[11:53] <tepsipakki> hehe
[11:53] <seb128> probably better to wait monday
[11:53] <tepsipakki> yes, let's do that
[11:56] <tepsipakki> it seems that support for damage-1.1 was added post-1.2.0, so that patch is needed
[11:56] <tepsipakki> until 1.2.1 is released
[12:53] <tepsipakki> hi jcristau :)
[12:53] <jcristau> hi tepsipakki
[12:54] <jcristau> I figured it would be simpler to join here rather than read the logs on the web :)
[12:54] <tepsipakki> hehe
[12:55] <tepsipakki> I need to play some badminton, but when I come back I guess we can continue with the uploads
[01:18] <seb128> cjwatson: si that ok if I accept xcb-proto (source NEW)?
[01:19] <seb128> hum
[01:20] <seb128> the package has a debian/copyright.debian with no copyright nor license
[01:21] <jcristau> yay
[01:21] <seb128> ah, they build the copyright from debian/rules
[02:23] <tepsipakki> ok, I'm back
[02:24] <seb128> wb tepsipakki
[02:24] <seb128> tepsipakki: is xcb-proto required to continue?
[02:24] <tepsipakki> it's needed for libx11
[02:24] <tepsipakki> but we can push others first
[02:24] <seb128> ok
[02:26] <tepsipakki> so, those that can now be synced are: libfontenc xtrans libxau libxdmcp
[02:28] <tepsipakki> libice and libsm need epochs, libxfont isn't yet in experimental
[02:29] <tepsipakki> jcristau: feel like uploading libxfont to experimental?-)
[02:29] <jcristau> heh
[02:30] <tepsipakki> also, there are some packages which need an epoch on Ubuntu.. is it possible to bump it also in Debian so that we could avoid doing that every time?
[02:30] <tepsipakki> I know it needs team approval
[02:30] <jcristau> yeah, probably
[02:31] <jcristau> please send a mail with the list of such packages to debian-x
[02:31] <tepsipakki> ok, I'll do that now
[02:38] <tepsipakki> hmm, I only know those that are new in 7.2
[02:38] <tepsipakki> bet there are others
[02:39] <jcristau> libxfont on its way to ftp-master
[02:39] <tepsipakki> whoa :)
[02:39] <seb128> rock
[02:39] <tepsipakki> hard rock
[02:51] <seb128> tepsipakki: "libfontenc xtrans libxau libxdmcp" synced
[02:51] <tepsipakki> seb128: thanks
[02:51] <seb128> tepsipakki: do you want to do libice and libsm updates or should I?
[02:52] <tepsipakki> you can do them
[02:52] <tepsipakki> if it's simler that way
[02:52] <tepsipakki> +p
[02:53] <seb128> I don't care, it's as easy to dch -i than to wget your package for me
[02:53] <seb128> ok, let me do those then if that's fine with you
[02:53] <seb128> just the epoch to use?
[02:54] <tepsipakki> yes
[02:54] <seb128> ok
[02:55] <jcristau> libxfont 1:1.2.7-1 should be in incoming, fwiw
[02:55] <tepsipakki> yeah
[02:58] <kylem> morning folks.
[03:20] <tepsipakki> seb128: yes, I forgot to change the maintainer field in x11proto-damage
[03:21] <seb128> well, do we need to if we do no change to the package?
[03:21] <tepsipakki> good question
[03:33] <seb128> tepsipakki: libice and libsm uploads done
[03:35] <tepsipakki> great, then you can sync libxcb and grab libxfont from incoming.d.o
[03:35] <tepsipakki> oh, libxcb is new
[03:40] <cjwatson> seb128: (retroactively, yes :-))
[03:41] <seb128> cjwatson: ok, thanks, pitti had a second look and we approved it since ;)
[03:41] <cjwatson> I don't believe that *build*-style uploads need a Maintainer changes
[03:41] <cjwatson> change
[03:41] <seb128> ok, good
[03:50] <seb128> tepsipakki: libxfont synced
[03:51] <seb128> tepsipakki: do we need libxcb to continue?
[03:51] <tepsipakki> yes
[03:51] <tepsipakki> libx11 is after that
[03:51] <jcristau> you need libxcb for libx11, don't think you need it for anything else?
[03:52] <jcristau> s/don't/I &/
[03:52] <tepsipakki> jcristau: see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/84731
[03:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 84731 in xorg "Syncing and merging X.org 7.2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[03:52] <tepsipakki> there might be errors though
[03:53] <seb128> tepsipakki: what version of libxcb is required? if it's to NEW can you get an Ubuntu version we can upload? we will sync later when it's accepted for Debian
[03:53] <jcristau> but there are no interface changes in libx11
[03:54] <jcristau> seb128: libxcb is already in experimental
[03:54] <tepsipakki> jcristau: so we can continue with other libs?
[03:54] <jcristau> tepsipakki: yes, imo
[03:54] <tepsipakki> seb128: yes just sync it
[03:54] <seb128> I misred the " oh, libxcb is new"
[03:54] <seb128> jcristau, tepsipakki: thanks
[03:55] <tepsipakki> heh
[04:01] <tepsipakki> jcristau: feel like pushing more libs?-)
[04:02] <jcristau> which ones?
[04:04] <tepsipakki> on my list are such gems like libxdamage libxfixes libxfontcache libxkbfile libxmu libxpm libxrandr libxrender libxres libxss libxt libxv libxvmc :)
[04:04] <tepsipakki> ..which are missing from experimental
[04:06] <tepsipakki> seb128: in the meantime, you can sync libxevie and libxcomposite :)
[04:08] <jcristau> do you really need all of them? :)
[04:09] <tepsipakki> hehe :)
[04:09] <tepsipakki> I'm not sure, actually
[04:09] <seb128> tepsipakki: libxcb libxevie libxcomposite synced
[04:09] <seb128> ok, I'm away for ~1 hour
[04:09] <tepsipakki> ok, thanks
[04:09] <seb128> tepsipakki: I'll continue when I'm back if there is other things to sync
[04:09] <tepsipakki> yeah
[04:13] <jcristau> I'm probably not going to upload libxdamage 1.0.4 anyway, I'll go straight to 1.1
[04:15] <tepsipakki> oh, I've missed that
[04:17] <jcristau> uploading libxfixes now
[04:19] <jcristau> libxfontcache has practically not changed
[04:19] <tepsipakki> ok
[04:20] <jcristau> same for xkbfile
[04:20] <jcristau> same for xmu
[04:21] <jcristau> I'll upload libxpm
[04:22] <tepsipakki> libxv&xvmc have some ChangeLog hook changes, nothing else
[04:24] <jcristau> I'll leave them alone then
[04:24] <tepsipakki> yes, feel free
[04:30] <jcristau> the only significant change in libxrandr was already in debian/patches/
[04:32] <jcristau> libxrendr didn't change much either
[04:32] <jcristau> same for xres
[04:32] <jcristau> and xscrnsaver
[04:33] <jcristau> I'll upload libxt
[04:33] <tepsipakki> ok, thanks
[04:40] <jcristau> done
[04:42] <tepsipakki> I think some of those that were dropped can be synced from unstable, checking that now
[04:49] <tepsipakki> libxmu would need an epoch anyway, made an mistake to put that on the list
[05:07] <tepsipakki> seb128: when you get back, you can sync libxcursor and grab libxfixes, libxpm, libxt from incoming.d.o
[05:20] <tepsipakki> then there are plain epochs like libxext, libxi
[05:21] <cjwatson> here, I'll do those
[05:21] <tepsipakki> ooh :)
[05:25] <cjwatson> libxcursor libxfixes libxpm libxt done
[05:26] <cjwatson> libxext and libxi are just s/.*/1:&build1/ in the version?
[05:27] <tepsipakki> s/1/2/, yes ;)
[05:28] <cjwatson> shouldn't libx11 be done before some of these?
[05:28] <cjwatson> oh, I see jcristau said there were no interface changes, ok
[05:28] <tepsipakki> right
[05:30] <jcristau> yeah, we'd have a problem if libx11's soname changed :)
[05:30] <cjwatson> I wasn't thinking soname, I was thinking interface additions which other things might check for at configure time
[05:30] <jcristau> but afaik there is no shlibs bump here
[05:31] <cjwatson> ok
[05:31] <tepsipakki> seems that we have the libraries pretty well covered now
[05:33] <tepsipakki> libxaw had some "LIB_MAN_SUFFIX=3 configure" stuff.. otherwise it just needs an epoch
[05:33] <cjwatson> that isn't already handled some other way?
[05:34] <cjwatson> there were multiple approaches to that
[05:34] <tepsipakki> and the manpages have migrated from libxaw-headers to libxaw7-dev
[05:34] <cjwatson> is there a Replaces?
[05:34] <cjwatson> (or non-clashing filenames)
[05:34] <jcristau> the manpages sections stuff should be fine now
[05:34] <jcristau> as in fixed upstream
[05:34] <cjwatson> that's what I thought too
[05:34] <tepsipakki> I had some conflicts when I apt-get updated one of my machines
[05:35] <tepsipakki> but the second run fixed it
[05:35] <jcristau> hmm
[05:35] <jcristau> then replaces might be needed
[05:36] <tepsipakki> actually, one conflict from /usr/share/man/man3/Xaw.3.gz
[05:36] <tepsipakki> which is the only manpage
[05:37] <cjwatson> libxext uploaded
[05:37] <cjwatson> hmm, not so much, forgot -sa
[05:37] <jcristau> tepsipakki: looks like an ubuntu-only problem
[05:37] <tepsipakki> damn :)
[05:38] <jcristau> (just looking at the changelog in debian, so i might be wrong)
[05:39] <jcristau> but actually, shipping the manpage in libxaw-headers might be more appropriate anyway
[05:39] <jcristau> so maybe I should move it in debian :)
[05:39] <tepsipakki> hehe
[05:39] <tepsipakki> do it!
[05:40] <jcristau> but then *I* will need the replaces :)
[05:41] <tepsipakki> bummer :)
[05:42] <tepsipakki> ok, what do i put in the Maintainer-field for libx11 (and the rest that follows)?
[05:44] <cjwatson> the default value is listed in http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField
[05:44] <cjwatson> ok, I have to go I'm afraid, so I can't do libxi
[05:44] <tepsipakki> no problem, thanks
[05:59] <jcristau> uploading libxaw
[06:01] <tepsipakki> whee
[06:08] <tepsipakki> jcristau: I've put libx11 in http://users.tkk.fi/~tjaalton/xorg72/new
[06:08] <tepsipakki> there's also a debdiff
[06:09] <tepsipakki> and in it you can see some patches which were included in the old version
[06:10] <jcristau> I'm pushing today's upload to alioth now, I'll have a look at it after that
[06:10] <jcristau> *uploads, even
[06:10] <tepsipakki> ok
[06:11] <tepsipakki> I need to go home and am offline for ~two hours, thanks so far for all the effort!
[06:12] <jcristau> np
[06:23] <jcristau> re: loadable i18n, you need to enable that in configure if you want it
[06:23] <jcristau>     Drop --enable-loadable-i18n from confflags, it does not work with 1.0.3.
[06:23] <jcristau>     See http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2006-July/016861.html
[06:23] <jcristau>     Closes: #392567  Thanks Jrme Marant
[06:23] <jcristau> but this ^^^ is in the changelog
[06:23] <jcristau> so...
[06:27] <seb128> re
[06:27] <seb128> tepsipakki: pong, what is to do now?
[06:28] <jcristau> seb128: epoch bump for libxi, I think
[06:34] <seb128> jcristau: ok, thank you
[07:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #38949 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "R128 DRI lockup on PPC" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/38949
[08:24] <tepsipakki> jcristau: ok, I'll just drop it then, thanks for noticing
[09:09] <Ubugtu> New bug: #85557 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "AIXGL ATI Mobility Radeon X700 freezes with glxgears, glxinfo reports no rendering, radeon driver used" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85557
[09:28] <tepsipakki> seb128: if you're up, there's libxaw with epoch bump at http://users.tkk.fi/~tjaalton/xorg72/new
[09:28] <seb128> tepsipakki: looking
[09:29] <tepsipakki> also lix11, but I wonder if it could cause breakup, thus best left for monday
[09:30] <seb128> yeah, I'll not touch that one on friday evening :p
[09:30] <seb128> I don't do disruptive upload when I'm not around in the next hours usually
[09:30] <seb128> and especially not on friday ;)
[09:31] <tepsipakki> that leaves us libx11, libdrm&mesa + xorg-server left to do, plus the utils
[09:32] <seb128> and the drivers no?
[09:32] <tepsipakki> of course, but they could be again coordinated with Debian
[09:33] <tepsipakki> actually not much has happened there, apart from i810 maybe
[09:33] <tepsipakki> some updates here and there
[09:34] <jcristau> drivers from 7.1 are compatible with the new server in any case
[09:34] <tepsipakki> yes, they can be dealt with later one by one
[09:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #84034 in Ubuntu "gdm crash when dimming screen (dup-of: 80512)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84034
[09:40] <seb128> tepsipakki: libxaw uploaded
[09:43] <tepsipakki> yeah, I guess that's it for the weekend, or should we upload apps as well?
[09:45] <seb128> I'm still around for like an hour, if you have other things we can upload which will not break anything we can do them
[09:50] <tepsipakki> maybe it's best to continue with this on Monday. I'll go and grab me a beer ;)
[09:51] <seb128> ok, cool
[09:51] <seb128> enjoy, you deserve it ;)
[09:51] <seb128> thank you for the hard work on those xorg upgrades
[09:51] <tepsipakki> heh, I'll toss you one ;)
[09:51] <tepsipakki> there
[09:53] <tepsipakki> so far it has been fairly trivial.. the fun part is ahead
[09:53] <seb128> yeah
[09:53] <tepsipakki> and thanks to jcristau this has been a bliss
[09:54] <seb128> right, thank you jcristau ;)
[09:54] <jcristau> np :)
[09:55] <jcristau> it's funny how the packages were created for ubuntu, came to debian, and now go back to ubuntu :)
[09:56] <tepsipakki> homecoming party!
[09:56] <jcristau> but I think it's better for everyone if we don't have massive differences in our X packages
[09:56] <tepsipakki> definately
[09:56] <seb128> right
[09:56] <seb128> and not only X ;)
[09:56] <jcristau> yeah :)
[09:57] <tepsipakki> it's nice to see Brice cleaning up the bugs on Debian, so that the real ones are revealed. Same should be done on Ubuntu
[09:58] <tepsipakki> but I know at least a dozen ati-bugs that can be closed when the new mesa is in ;)
[09:58] <jcristau> heh


[08:27] <juergh> ghavil: https://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/virgin/testing/crack.git/ is the mainline repo with tags.
[15:49] <ghavil> juergh: Ah fun, thanks. 'crack.git' feels... fun?... anyway, I'll take a look!
[18:34] <bambinone> hi folks, the mainline git repo is missing the last few tags for 6.3 and 6.4 (at least). did somebody forget to push? :p
[20:51] <ghavil> juergh: Any advice on what tag would have the debian/rule's build files I can use? Maybe I just need another coffee but, I'm not seeing the bits that align with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel#Building_the_kernel unless there's a different way I should patch & build the mainline kernel.
[20:51] <ghavil> Oh wait! .... https://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/virgin/testing/crack.git/tree/?h=cod/mainline/v6.4-rc5 looks like what I'm after sorry. I should go make that coffee I guess


[00:16] <agliodbs> is it just me, or is ubuntu getting steadily harder to use on laptops?
[00:51] <pleia2> agliodbs: could you be a bit more specific? :)
[00:52] <agliodbs> pleia2: I keep encountering things which used to be easy to do on 10.04, which are now very hard to do on 12.10
[00:52] <agliodbs> pleia2: most of the time, it's because various GUIs have dropped controls I need
[00:52] <pleia2> such as..?
[00:53] <agliodbs> pleia2: try to import an OpenVPN profile on 12.10
[00:53] <agliodbs> there was a GUI for that in 10.04
[00:53] <agliodbs> now there's not
[00:53] <pleia2> I thought network manager handled openvpn stuff these days
[00:54] <pleia2> (I still use flat config files myself)
[00:54] <agliodbs> pleia2: the new network manager is missing controls which the old one used to have.  including the Import button
[00:54] <agliodbs> another example
[00:54] <pleia2> have a link to the bug report?
[00:57] <pleia2> would be a good one to follow up on
[00:57] <agliodbs> in the old Launcher, I could change the parameters of how programs launched by right-clicking the icons
[00:57] <agliodbs> in the new Dash, I can only change it by editing the .desktop files on the command line
[00:57] <pleia2> yeah :\
[00:57] <agliodbs> pleia2: lemme see if anyone has reported it
[00:57] <agliodbs> pleia2: it just seems like nobody is doing any UI testing anymore
[00:57] <pleia2> agliodbs: if not, it would be great if you could, losing features is bad and putting them back should be a priority
[00:57] <pleia2> submit a bug that is
[00:57] <pleia2> and UI testing has increased a *ton* these past releases (in addition to a bigger community team, Canonical employs several folks as well) but they only focus on what is useful to them :\
[00:57] <pleia2> something like missing featutres in openvpn canbe missed, particularly when development is done upstream (like in an app like netweork manager)
[00:58] <pleia2> the dash bug is unfortunate, I guess they just thought that they could do more useful things for every day users with right click than giving the ability to edit the command (which is a somewhat advanced option)
[00:58]  * pleia2 actually uses xubuntu though, always has
[00:59] <agliodbs> pleia2: yeah, I just feel like I can't upgrade my father-in-law from 10.04
[00:59] <agliodbs> pleia2: many things have gone from having GUI ways to fix them, to only being able to be fixed on the command line
[00:59] <pleia2> I found in general that things are easier to use, but my needs tend to be really simple or really complex (can't be fixed with a gui anyway)
[01:00] <pleia2> but I'm not by any means a normal person :)
[01:00] <pleia2> well, by some metrics, I do have two eyes and 4 limbs and all
[01:00] <agliodbs> heh
[01:00] <agliodbs> dammit
[01:00] <agliodbs> they changed the login on launchpad
[01:00] <agliodbs> I'm gonna have to go through the whole password retrieval thing
[01:01] <pleia2> looks the same to me
[01:02] <pleia2> other services did switch to ubuntu single sign on though
[01:02] <agliodbs> pleia2: yeah, if you wanna report a bug, you now need to use your UbuOne account
[01:04] <pleia2> ah, weird
[01:05] <agliodbs> pleia2: actually, they've made it completely impossible to create a new bug
[01:05] <pleia2> agliodbs: are you using "ubuntu-bug" ?
[01:06] <agliodbs> if you click on "report a bug" in Launchpad, you get redirected to a wiki page
[01:06] <pleia2> shouldn't use the web interface these days, it can't collect system information and reports end up being mostly useless
[01:06] <agliodbs> which does NOT include the ability to report bugs
[01:06] <pleia2> ubuntu-bug at the command line is what you want :)
[01:07] <agliodbs> pleia2: no good, because I'd have to spend time carefully checking over what data it was sending
[01:07] <agliodbs> required to by client agreements
[01:07] <agliodbs> and system information isn't necessary to report *this* bug
[01:08] <pleia2> ah :\
[01:08] <agliodbs> I'm giving up.  Ubuntu has successfully thrown enough obstacles in my way that it's not worth the effort to report a bug
[01:08] <agliodbs> ... which explains why nobody else reported this bug, either
[01:09] <pleia2> ubuntu-bug was supposed to make things easier :(
[01:10] <agliodbs> yeah, fail
[01:10] <agliodbs> pleia2: this is yet another example of what I'm talking about
[01:10] <pleia2> I see
[01:10] <agliodbs> Ubuntu, overall, is harder to use than it was 2 years ago
[01:12] <agliodbs> pleia2: incidentally, when I type "ubuntu-bug" in dash, nothing comes up
[01:12] <pleia2> you run it from the command line
[01:13] <pleia2> I thought the link that launchpad gives for reporting bugs in ubuntu explained all of this
[01:13] <agliodbs> pleia2: it tells me to type it into Dash
[01:13] <pleia2> ah (again, don't use Unity here :))
[01:13] <agliodbs> pleia2: and might I point out the irony of requiring users to run a commandline program to report a bug?
[01:14] <pleia2> I'm not sure why it's not working
[01:14] <pleia2> clearly we need a bug for the bug tool not launching :D
[01:15] <agliodbs> yeah, catch-22
[17:05] <agliodbs> all: https://t.co/2ENiHOph2s
[17:05] <darthrobot> Title: [Error reading title]
[17:05] <agliodbs> discuss
[17:36] <bkerensa> pleia2: apparently atul jha from the community is coming to SF this weekend too
[17:36] <bkerensa> :)
[18:33] <pleia2> bkerensa: yeah, he's been telling me for months ;)
[18:33] <pleia2> (he works on openstack too these days)
[18:49] <bkerensa> pleia2: yeah :D
[23:02] <bkerensa> pleia2: http://signup.communitysysadmins.org/
[23:02] <darthrobot> Title: [COMMUNITYSYSADMINS.ORG - connecting sysadmins with organizations]
[23:02] <bkerensa> :D


[00:13] <MikeS11> hello ubuntu-ca
[00:22] <Yompa> Hello MikeS11
[01:25] <MikeS11> greycup
[01:25] <MikeS11> what's score?
[01:31] <MikeS11> nvm. just started watching it.
[01:31] <MikeS11> 11-8 for mont.
[02:03] <MikeS11> 11-11
[02:03] <MikeS11> sask or montreal?
[02:49] <MikeS11> sask eh
[02:50] <MikeS11> they have 26 seconds to make me happy
[02:56] <BobJonkman> MikeS11 - Time's up, how's things?
[02:56] <MikeS11> lol. montreal wins
[02:58] <MikeS11> i'm not actually that worried about it. i'm in BC, so i was just rooting for the west.
[15:40] <ball> Hello Yompa
[15:45] <Yompa> Greetings ball
[15:46] <ball> Now I must scream and run.


[02:25] <Buginator> I just finished doing a bzr clone of a git repo, and it took 4+ hours.  I assumed it was a clone, but it looks like it only got mainline, and not the other branches.  Is this correct, or did I do something wrong ?
[02:26] <beuno> Buginator, I think bzr-git only gets trunk, yes
[02:27] <jelmer> Buginator: yep - use 'bzr git-import' for all branches
[02:27] <Buginator> Ahh, thanks.
[02:29] <Buginator> Hmm, with the git-import, now I am getting error: The remote server unexpectedly closed the connection.  D'oh!
[02:29] <jelmer> Buginator: are you specifying the same URL?
[02:29] <Buginator> yes
[06:06] <junixbr> Hi everybody
[06:07] <junixbr> my question is: why I'm getting the follow error: bzr: ERROR: Permission denied: "/~Sources": [Errno 13] Permission denied
[06:08] <junixbr> if I'm putting the correct command: bzr push sftp://myhost.org/~Sources
[06:10] <parthm> junixbr: are you able to ssh to myhost?
[06:11] <junixbr> yes
[06:11] <junixbr> I've tried sftp connection
[06:11] <junixbr> normaly
[06:11] <junixbr> there is a bzr running there
[06:11] <junixbr> as on my laptop
[06:12] <parthm> junixbr: weird. does giving absolute path work? sftp://myhost.org/a/b/c. what version of bzr are you using?
[06:13] <junixbr> let me check
[06:14] <junixbr> but, using --create-prefix should be created, or not?
[06:14] <parthm> junixbr: is this the first push?
[06:14] <junixbr> bzr 2.1.1-1
[06:14] <junixbr> yes, the first one
[06:15] <parthm> 2.1 sounds right. ~ support was introduced in 2.1.  from NEWS "Highlights include support for ``bzr+ssh://host/~/homedir`` style urls"
[06:15] <junixbr> let me test
[06:15] <parthm> you can also try sftp://myhost.org/~/Sources. But absolute path should work anyways.
[06:16] <junixbr> ok
[06:17] <parthm> I think --create-prefix is different from decoding ~. it applies to the rest of the path.
[06:17] <junixbr> great! :)
[06:17] <junixbr> using this way myhost.org/~/Sources it works!
[06:17] <junixbr> thank you parthm
[06:18] <parthm> junixbr: cool :)
[06:19] <junixbr> but, I'll use with ssh
[06:19] <junixbr> as svn way
[06:19] <junixbr> parthm, do you know some bug trac to use with bzr?
[06:19] <junixbr> could you suggest something?
[06:22] <parthm> junixbr: trac (http://trac.edgewall.org/) has a bzr plug though i haven't used it myself. trac is easy to use and deploy.
[06:22] <parthm> junixbr: if your project is opensource there is always launchpad.net
[06:23] <parthm> junixbr: just to be clear, i have used and like trac ... just not used its bzr plugin.
[06:24] <junixbr> ah ok
[06:25] <junixbr> I have installed trac, I can install a bzr plugin
[06:25] <junixbr> right?
[06:26] <parthm> junixbr: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/TracBzr
[06:27] <junixbr> thank you man!
[06:27] <parthm> junixbr: np :)
[15:01] <idnar> AssertionError: _remember_remote_is_before((2, 1)) called, but _remember_remote_is_before((1, 6)) was called previously.
[15:01] <idnar> ugh, what
[15:02] <spiv> idnar: is bug, fixed in 2.1 branch
[15:02] <idnar> yeah, just found bug #528041
[15:02] <spiv> (and probably trunk?  if not yet, then next time 2.1 is merged into trunk)
[15:03] <spiv> The easy fix is to just upgrade your 1.5-or-older server already :P
[15:04] <idnar> it's running Debian 5.0.4
[15:04] <spiv> Ooh, 1.5 is nearly 2 years old, just a couple more weeks.
[15:04] <idnar> although I'm using a newer bzr from backports on most of my servers
[15:04] <idnar> I have a bootstrapping issue, though, my puppet config is in a bzr repo
[15:05]  * idnar tries nosmart+bzr+ssh:// instead
[15:07] <spiv> Yeah, that should workaround it.
[15:07]  * spiv -> zzz
[18:01] <Buginator> Is it normal that bzr is excruciating slow while doing a git import ?  We are talking of 8 hours for a final repo size of 1.6GB.
[18:07] <jelmer> Buginator: how many revisions, which bzr-git version?
[18:08] <Buginator> around 10000 revisions, and 6 branches. Version is 2.1.1
[18:10] <Buginator> used bzr git-import to get all the branches
[18:13] <jelmer> Buginator: what version of bzr-git?
[18:14] <Buginator> bzr-git .5.0-1
[18:20] <jelmer> Buginator: you might want to try trunk, it's significantly faster
[18:22] <Buginator> Will do.  Thanks.
[22:42] <thumper> jelmer: ping?
[22:43] <jelmer> thumper: 'lo!
[22:43] <thumper> jelmer: take a look at https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~registry/perl5/trunk
[22:43] <fullermd> Sweet chariot?
[22:44] <thumper> jelmer: bzr-git seems to fail to recognize the perl5 repo
[23:10] <jelmer> thumper: we've tweaked the way in which a remote branch is found a bit, this broke a couple of branches (but fixed a few other ones)
[23:10] <thumper> ok
[23:10] <thumper> jelmer: do you know how to fix it?
[23:10] <jelmer> It's on my todo list of things to fix before the next release
[23:10] <thumper> when are you planning the next release?
[23:11] <jelmer> when roundtripping support works
[23:11] <jelmer> I'm getting quite close to finishing that, bzr push already works as long as I don't add any new files


[23:26] <astraljava> Urchlay: No, there's nothing of that sort.
[23:27] <Urchlay> well that's horrid. How can anyone stand to use a kernel without being able to find out the .config that was used to build it? (rhetorical question, dont really expect an answer..)
[23:31] <astraljava> Urchlay: Oops, spoke too soon.
[23:31] <astraljava> /boot/config-2.6.38-8-generic
[23:31] <astraljava> Somehow missed that.
[23:32] <astraljava> I'll install the -lowlatency kernel tomorrow at work, and post you the config.
[23:44] <Urchlay> rockin'


 @YougoChats, Nothing will be changing with how it currently works. Just a bug fix which makes it work as intended 😁
 @dohbee, +1
 -1
 Good morning , …   Can you make a video on YouTube , how to created a new port device with kernel + device tree + install ubport on any android from ubuntu operating system
 The idea of the video is to give me the first step to create a port to any device ....
[03:22] <tgBot1> Koby Addo was added by: Koby Addo
 Hello and welcome Koby
[03:51] <tgBot1> Wahyudi was added by: Wahyudi
 @dohbee, Neither helps, i told you already that system-image-cli cannot switch atm, smth is broken with downloading they php keys :) - Its obvisouly working for no one. If you manually download those 2 pgp files it starts working
 Welcome both Koby and Wahyudi .  To get started check out this link and let me know if I can help you.   https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome. Enjoy the group! 😀
 Thx a lot for a warm group
 Kirin pliss?
 Honor 6x?
 @Koby Addo, Welcome Koby and Wahyudi ! Ask questions, join in. Glad to have you in our community. https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome for lots of newcomer information 🚪
 @gennadii1981, What is your first language?  Honor has not been ported
 http://t.me/UBports_Ru
 @Flohack, It worked for me on the M10. I guess there must be at least 2 issues so?
 someone from M10, could you please upload your Android ramdisk and LXC container configs?
 want to compare few things with mine MTK device
 Again, I stated before that the system-image-cli command worked, but only via shell access from a desktop. It felt like the first time you install Libertine, the phablet just cannot do it natively, it has to be done via a host PC. People may contradict me but I'm just stating the evidence I observed first hand.
 @TartanSpartan, Yes, you can only without AppArmor limitation. These are in the terminal app unless you bypass them with a manual ssh loopback or using the Iperspace app
 I have to say I used Iperspace but when I ran S-I-cli it resulted in a soft brick... not blaming Iperspace or you whatsoever, just saying a desktop shell seemed more reliable for me.
 Sure, changing system image to xenial directly on the terminal app might have broken something in Iperspace or terminal configuration in the meantime.
 @TronFortyTwo, ? Terminal is unconfined. Would like to know exact rule you mean here.
 oh interesting. Canonical Store isnt really shut after all
 strange
 seems its only the UI.
 looks like one might still be able to download from there
 odd
 Must still be in the process of closing it all down. myapps.developer.ubuntu.com has defo gone now
 @DanChapman, Yeah dont really know why it would matter much. But i just noticed that when i sideloaded an earlier version of an app of mine, it starts offering me an update from their store (this is still on a Canonical image phone ofcourse).
 @dohbee, I don't mean any rule. …  Losing track of stuff in the supergroup?  Don't worry, you can get all the important news in one click by subscribing to the UBports News Channel here: https://t.me/ubports_news
 @popescu_sorin How is Yunit going? It's a while I don't see any update on the blog
[12:55] <Beton> I can't find legacy devices list and informations on Ubports website. If I want to flash legacy device for now should I use official Ubports Installer?
 @TronFortyTwo, Yes. But an apparmor profile is just a set of rules. Which means there must be a rule in the profile which is causing the problem, as you claim. I would like to know what rule it is. The denial should appear in syslog.
 @garrogarri, yunit is dead
 @DanChapman, 😞
 Why?
 @Beton, ubports installer or ubuntu-device-flash
 @garrogarri
 Fwd from jsalatas: Guys, I don't think that yunit can continue as a separate project. Maybe it's better now that ubports handle the desktop as well as I'm a little busy and it doesn't seem that this will change soon
 @dohbee, I don't know this
 is there any information about how UBPorts rootfs is built? I want to try building it for arm64
 the device in question works with libhybris, but has broken 32-bit hwcomposer API
 The ubports rootfs is built using https://github.com/ubports/rootstock-ng
 @DanChapman, 😵
 @JBBgameich, it's for flashing/installing rootfs, I meant to build rootfs itself (like debootstrap)
 rootstock-touch is for building. rootstock.touch-install for installing
 But I think it could need a rewrite anyway :) It's using live-build in the backgrund, about which some debian developer told me it's deprecated
 ah, thanks then
 @NotKit, hwcomposer is the bit in the android side right?
 yes
 so you don't need an arm64 rootfs i think. you need arm64 android container part. which i think is already the case on supported devices with arm64 SoCs (turbo, frieza, cooler)
 might give you some clues if you look at the images for those
 @dohbee, not, basically only 64-bit hwcomposer vendor lib works
 32-bit relies on kernel compat interfaces, which are broken
 Canonical fixed this for frieza: https://github.com/ubports/kernel_bq_m10/commit/e09e85241b5ad2846cfdc5a27cbc827f17ab01b6, but I have 3.18 kernel which is vastly different
 Just downloaded version 25 for Xenial on my MX4. Is there a changelog available?
 @TartanSpartan, no
[17:10] <rah> I used the installer to install UBports on my Nexus 5 but it seems to be based on vivid, which is no longer available from the URLs in the installed /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:11] <rah> or seemingly anywhere, for that matter
 And why is that @TronFortyTwo
[17:12] <rah> will there be/is there a UBports based on a later version of Ubuntu, with an active apt archive?
 @TartanSpartan, There are no changelog for devel or rc releases. You can ask around if someone knows what landed or look for changes by yourself, but official changelog are written just for stable releases
 @rah, The ubports images are updated to old releases already.
 You can also switch to 16.04 devel if you want
[17:23] <rah> dohbee: I don't understand the sentence "The ubports images are updated to old releases already"
[17:24] <rah> dohbee: do you mean updated to *new* releases?
[17:31] <alan_g> I assume he's referring to http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/
 @rah, I mean old-releases.ubuntu.com. The OTA-3 images should already have the sources.list updated to them, and also libertine was updated there to use it, for the 15.04 packages
 the "new" release images of ubports, would be the 16.04 channels, ie `ubports-touch/16.04/devel`
 which you can install, but it is not yet stable
 Halp plz  … Can someone guide Fabrizio through installing ubports ut over Canonical ut on his M10? Fastboot can’t push the img files, cache has been repartitioned but still no go. Now it won’t even boot anymore.
 He’s in the welcome group
[20:34] <tgBot1> Corne was added by: Corne
 Hello all I will be getting some bacon 🥓 tomorrow and have my device join the ubports world
 @Corne, 👍🎉
 Yay! Hi Corne, I'm part of the Welcoming Team. To get you started, please take a look at https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome and feel free to ask any question or for install support in the Newcomers Room!
[22:22] <rah> dohbee: I see
 @Corne, It is a great OPOtunity
 @Stereofont, I see what you did there😹
[23:26] <tgBot1> SilvoneyMachado was added by: SilvoneyMachado


[02:21] <CIA-44> ubiquity: evand * r2464 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/filteredcommand.py):
[02:21] <CIA-44> ubiquity: * Catch exceptions around the processing of each components run()
[02:21] <CIA-44> ubiquity:  function.
[04:01] <CIA-44> ubiquity: evand * r2465 ubiquity/ (14 files in 5 dirs): * seteuid as a regular user until we need to do something as root.
[05:06] <CIA-44> ubiquity: evand * r2466 ubiquity/ubiquity/components/partman.py: Missed a few points in partman.py where it needed root.
[05:09] <CIA-44> ubiquity: evand * r2467 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[05:09] <CIA-44> ubiquity: * Automatic update of included source packages: partman-target
[05:09] <CIA-44> ubiquity:  52ubuntu5.
[05:18] <CIA-44> ubiquity: evand * r2468 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.7.8
[11:26] <xivulon> evand,cjwatson I received a few reports confused that the windows partition is mounted in /host and not in /media/host
[11:26] <xivulon> they simply fail to find it, and current documentation does not apply
[11:27] <xivulon> would it be reasonable to add a mount bind /host -> /media/host in fstab?
[11:28] <xivulon> that would be an issue if people use umount -f but otherwise should be okish
[13:25] <xivulon> bug #192116 (patch included)
[13:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192116 in partman-auto-loop "Bind mount /host to /media/host" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192116
[14:27] <evand> hrm, seems reasonable, but let me give it some thought.
[14:28] <xivulon> my main concern is that "umount -f" might break the toy
[14:28] <evand> indeed
[14:28] <xivulon> not sure if there are other implications I have not though
[14:29] <xivulon> but I guess we might have it in alpha-5 and if we see any bug remove it later
[14:30] <xivulon> for wubi, can you pls remove the line "!define MUI_UNICON ..." in src/wubi/wubi.nsi
[14:30] <evand> ok
[14:30] <xivulon> since the uninstaller icon should not be branded
[14:30] <xivulon> do pull my changes of yesterday night first!
[14:31] <evand> indeed
[14:38] <evand> done
[14:44] <xivulon> also data/version.nsh > thanks
[14:44] <xivulon> ignore first part, just thanks
[14:47] <xivulon> As a note there are 2 icons, 1 is displayed in the tasks panel and can be changed at runtime, another is the one you see associated to the fiename
[14:47] <xivulon> and that one is the defined at compile time
[14:49] <xivulon> that means that unless we do multiple builds (defining DefaultDistro at compile time), you will see a Wubi or Ubuntu icon when you look into the Kubuntu CD
[14:50] <xivulon> a minor issue of course
[14:50] <evand> I think that's ok.
[14:50] <xivulon> on the same tune the uninstaller artwork is not autodetected at the moment
[14:51] <xivulon> ehi but who would want to uninstall anyway??? ;P
[14:51] <evand> haha
[14:53] <xivulon> a simple solution is to have !define DefalutBrand Wubi in data/version.nsh
[14:53] <evand> that should be fine, imho
[14:53] <xivulon> so that the icon associated to wubi.exe and uninstaller are branded as wubi
[14:54] <xivulon> the above require copying vertical -> Wubi-vertical.bmp in data/images
[14:56] <xivulon> in fact vertical.bmp should be renamed Wubi-vertical.bmp anyway
[14:58] <xivulon> the icon/artwork displayed in the actual window will be distro-branded anyway, since that is dynamic
[15:00] <xivulon> DefaultBrand in fact affects also other dialogs such as message boxes
[15:00] <xivulon> which will display the icon
[15:00] <evand> ok
[15:01] <xivulon> DefaultBrand = Ubuntu will do
[15:03] <xivulon> to be fully consistent we should have 4 builds  using make BRAND=${x}buntu
[15:07] <evand> done
[15:08] <xivulon> nice
[15:58] <evand> xivulon: latest CDs are up and I'm getting "Invalid CD detected" when launching umenu: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[15:59] <evand> using --debug gives me: cdinfo=true, distro=true, version=
[16:00] <evand> .disk/info has: Ubuntu 8.04 "Hardy Heron" - Alpha amd64 (20080215.2)
[16:03] <evand> and with distro=true I obviously end up with "true CD Menu" and it not finding a series of images.
[16:11] <evand> curiously, if I pass the contents of .disk/info to debug it works fine
[16:25] <xivulon> ah
[16:25] <xivulon> hmm no
[16:26] <xivulon> ah I know
[16:26] <evand> shouldn't exedrive be exedir?
[16:26] <xivulon> no that will be the dir were umenu.exe is
[16:27] <evand> ah, indeed
[16:27] <xivulon> use messagebox mb_ok "$X"
[16:27] <xivulon> in detect_distro
[16:27] <xivulon> messagebox mb_ok "$exedrive\.disk\info"
[16:28] <xivulon> maybe that is not what expected or it might have double \\
[16:28] <xivulon> also check "$filename\casper\filesystem.squashfs"
[16:29] <xivulon> do that
[16:29] <xivulon> Var $drive
[16:29] <xivulon> (above)
[16:29] <xivulon> strcpy $drive $EXEDIR 2
[16:29] <xivulon> ${If} ${FileExists} "$drive\casper\filesystem.squashfs"
[16:30] <xivulon> FileOpen $4 "$drive\.disk\info" r
[16:32] <xivulon> evand ^
[16:34] <xivulon> ${andif} ${FileExists} "$drive\.disk\info"
[16:37] <evand> fantastic
[16:37] <xivulon> works?
[16:37] <evand> ok, I'll commit that, build a new version, stick it on p.u.c, and trigger a new CD build
[16:37] <evand> yes
[16:37] <evand> well
[16:37] <xivulon> wubi.exe has to be in the same folder of umenu.exe
[16:37] <evand> I hardcoded D:, but I tested it with EXEDIR 2 and it shot back C:
[16:37] <evand> so one can only assume that will work
[16:38] <evand> yes, the wubi integration worked fine
[16:38] <xivulon> ${If} ${FileExists} "$drive\casper\filesystem.squashfs"
[16:38] <evand> they're both in the cd root
[16:38] <xivulon> ${andif} ${FileExists} "$drive\.disk\info"
[16:38] <evand> right, I already have that
[16:38] <xivulon> ^one after the other
[16:38] <evand> indeed
[16:38] <xivulon> good
[16:38] <xivulon> have to go now
[16:38] <evand> ok
[16:38] <evand> cheers
[16:38] <xivulon> send me an email over the w/e if there are issues
[16:38] <evand> will do
[16:39] <xivulon> I'll also be on jabber
[16:39] <xivulon> (on mobile) if keep it on, that's probably the quickest way to solve things
[16:39] <evand> noted
[16:39] <xivulon> bye now
[16:40] <evand> bye
[17:57] <evand> ugh, still doesn't work for some odd reason.  Will investigate further later in the day.
[18:41] <CIA-44> ubiquity: evand * r2469 ubiquity/ (bin/ubiquity-dm debian/changelog): * Drop priviliges for gnome-settings-daemon in ubiquity-dm.


[08:35] <dekarl> superm1: FYI when I run build-debs.sh against master I have to manually git stash the mythweb checkout after failed builds
[10:22] <thorwil> hi! my fresh mythbuntu installation does not boot, all i get is blank screen with blinking cursor
[10:24] <thorwil> i already tried editing /etc/default/grub, removing "quiet splash" to try "xforcevesa", "nomodeset" or "text". always running update-grub within chroot. no success
[10:28] <thorwil> there's some syslinux thing in the mbr of the sole hd. first partition is a fat32 efi ... i would think this is how it should be
[10:44] <rileyp> thorwil try ctrl alt and f1 when you see the cursor
[10:44] <rileyp> thorwil: are you thre
[10:45] <thorwil> rileyp: the only key.combo that works at that stage ist ctrl-alt-del for reset
[10:45] <rileyp> so it boots to  flashing cursor?
[10:46] <thorwil> yes. i guess it fails before even loading all of grub, because holding down shift does nothing
[10:46] <rileyp> do you get the grub emnu
[10:47] <rileyp> did you use a usb stick to install or cd
[10:47] <thorwil> no, it's straight motherboard boot screen -> blinking cursor
[10:47] <thorwil> usb stick
[10:48] <rileyp> ah ok and then it says no boot disk? or just hangs at cursar
[10:48] <rileyp> cursor sorry
[10:49] <rileyp> was it a clean install on a new disk did you select partitions and did you install grub to sda during setup?
[10:50] <rileyp> or is a windows dual boot which is fine so long as you chose sda to install grub
[10:50] <rileyp> and windows is on teh first partition
[10:50] <thorwil> 3rd attempt installing on a fresh disc. allowed mythbuntu to partition as it likes
[10:52] <rileyp> I personally have had a lot of trouble with disk parttioner on the ubuntu cd's in the last few years and always use gparted prior
[10:52] <thorwil> (3rd attempt because i had to find out that mythbuntu only succeeds in installing grub-efi, if it can install updates thanks to a network connection!)
[10:53] <rileyp> you can install without network but its a painfull process
[10:54] <thorwil> thanks for your attention. lunch, bbiab
[14:43] <superm1> dekarl: oh really?  are you modifying stuff on mythweb then for your build?
[15:53] <tgm4883> superm1, there's been some different bugs on mythweb being broken in 0.25. We need to do some testing on that
[18:44] <superm1> tgm4883: on fresh installs?
[18:44] <superm1> or upgrades
[18:44] <superm1> really need to figure out who and how these are breaking
[18:44] <superm1> because i haven't experienced it at all onn my stuff
[19:05] <DarthFrog> Hi.  How do I do a database schema upgrade?  My frontend desktop (Precise) won't connect to my backend (Lucid).  The backend machine has the mythbuntu-repos installed and is upto date (well, apt-get says it is) on 0.24.
[19:06] <DarthFrog> The frontend says the database schema is quite a few versions out of date.
[19:09] <rhpot1991> DarthFrog: precise comes with 0.25
[19:16] <DarthFrog> Oh.  I didn't realise that 0.25 has been released.
[19:16] <rhpot1991> not yet
[19:16] <rhpot1991> soonish, should be right around precise release
[19:16] <DarthFrog> Nuisance.  Can it be downgraded to 0.24?
[19:17] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: does mythbuntu-repos have old version for precise ^
[19:17] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, nope
[19:17] <tgm4883> it shouldn't anyway
[19:17] <rhpot1991> DarthFrog: I don't imagine you have a ppa?
[19:17] <DarthFrog> My own?  No.
[19:18] <rhpot1991> I'd just push the latest 0.24 to my ppa and build for precise and run that for the time being
[19:18] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, https://launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/+archive/0.24?field.series_filter=precise
[19:18] <Zinn> [launchpad.net] 0.24 : “Mythbuntu Developers” team
[19:18] <tgm4883> it's there, but the builds are from Feb 13th
[19:18] <tgm4883> and there won't be any newer builds for precise for the 0.24 branch
[19:19] <rhpot1991> or use that
[19:19] <rhpot1991> or upgrade everything
[19:19] <DarthFrog> tgm4883:  Tnx.  I'll upgrade both backend machines to Precise once it's released.  I dare not now; my wife knows where I sleep! :-)
[19:20] <rhpot1991> DarthFrog: I recommend upgrading on weekends too :)
[19:20] <DarthFrog> If she loses access to her "Mythbusters" collection, I'm doomed! :-)
[19:35] <DarthFrog> Hmm.  I install libmyth-0.24-0 from that ppa; it rips out the current MythTV stuff.  I then try to install mythtv and it wants to rip out libmyth-0.24.0 and replace it with 0.25.  AFAICT, libmyth-0.24-0 is the only package in that ppa.
[19:36] <superm1> you have to tell it to install particular versions of stuff
[19:36] <superm1> using the = and a version number if you want to go that route
[19:36] <superm1> and then use apt pinning to keep it in place
[19:36] <superm1> 0.25 just hit RC, so it's super close to release right now anyway
[19:37] <superm1> i would say backup your DB, bite the bullet and upgrade this weekend
[19:37] <DarthFrog> superm1: Don't want 0.25.  Want 0.24
[19:37] <superm1> if it works, great, if you hit a snag, report it, revert etc
[19:37] <superm1> yeah i'm saying it's going to be super hard to do 0.24 in precise unless you do that apt pinning and tell apt to install specific versions of all the packages
[19:38] <rhpot1991> DarthFrog: that or install 11.10 on that frontend
[19:38] <rhpot1991> if you really don't want 0.25 that is prob easier
[19:39] <DarthFrog> I have 11.10 also installed but it's eating itself. :-(  Not impressed with Oneiric, not at all.
[19:39] <DarthFrog> Guess I'll install Oneiric in a virtualbox VM and run 0.24 there.
[19:43] <DarthFrog> Mythbuntu switching to LTS only releases is a smart move, IMHO.
[20:03] <DarthFrog> OK, got it working in a Lucid VM. :-)
[20:04] <DarthFrog> Thanks for your help, folks.  It's greatly appreciated.
[22:08] <hpeter> i've updated to 0.25 and works fine so far except tv-guide-data
[22:08] <hpeter> till now i ran /usr/bin/mythfilldatabase --file 1 /home/ubuntu/xmltv-data/data.xml
[22:09] <hpeter> but now i get
[22:09] <hpeter> Boolean type options do not accept values:
[22:09] <hpeter>     --file
[22:09] <hpeter> Received '1' but unassociated arguments have not been enabled
[22:12] <hpeter> any idea what's wrong?
[22:12] <superm1> probably syntax changed?
[22:13] <superm1> i think you additionally an --xmlfile after the 1
[22:17] <hpeter> hmm getting the same error
[22:27] <superm1> check in #mythtv-users then, hopefully you'll find someone who know's it's syntax better
[22:38] <hpeter> superm1: thanx
[23:10] <dekarl> superm1: nope, I'm only modifying the main mythtv source code
[23:13] <dekarl> hpeter: your command line is 0.24 syntax but you are running 0.25 :)
[23:13] <hpeter> i suspect  that ;)
[23:14] <hpeter> do you know the correct 0.25 syntax?
[23:15] <dekarl> something like mfdb --file --xmlfile <the filename> --sourceid <the id of the video source => 1>


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[08:10] -queuebot:#kubuntu-devel- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Mantic Daily] has been updated (20230624)
[12:58] <BluesKaj> Hi all


[12:57] <mup> PR operator#846 opened: Testing: add support for network-get to harness <Created by sabaini> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/846>
[15:08] <mup> Issue operator#847 opened: catalogue hook failed: "leader-elected" <Created by Basdbruijne> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/847>


[03:57] <thumper> https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11893 adds ability to introspect the leases on the controllers
[03:57] <thumper> wallyworld: ^^
[03:57] <thumper> or anyone really
[05:31] <wallyworld> thumper: sorry, ffs, missed ping, done
[05:57] <jam> morning all
[05:57] <hpidcock> @jam morning
[05:58] <jam> I like how mattermost characters leak into IRC :)
[06:19] <hpidcock> jam: haha yeah. I have blended everything into one client.
[06:20] <jam> I'm guilty of it as well. I start typing names in mattermost and wonder why they aren't completing
[09:39] <manadart_> stickupkid: This is the fix for AWS constraints/bindings: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11886
[09:40] <stickupkid> manadart_, nice, will jump on that soon
[10:19] <achilleasa> manadart_: stickupkid quick poll. I am moving the IngressRule type to core/network and tweaking the code (e.g. use set.Strings for src CIDRS). When you get (or print) the src CIDRs do you think that I should list the _effective_ source CIDRs or the actual CIDRs?
[10:20] <stickupkid> actual
[10:20] <manadart_> achilleasa: Actual.
[10:20] <achilleasa> in other words: if I have <IP_ADDRESS>/24 and then add <IP_ADDRESS>/16 does this yield the latter (as it is a superset)
[10:20] <achilleasa> or both?
[10:21] <stickupkid> achilleasa, for print, get, it should return actual
[10:21] <stickupkid> achilleasa, also you could make a new type that allow you to get both
[10:22] <stickupkid> achilleasa, also I wonder if we should specialise the CIDR, so the type isn't a string in core/network?
[10:22] <achilleasa> cool. I am too lazy to implement it for printing only. There is some code that merges CIDRs to reduce the number of ingress rules so I might add this functionality via a method once I get there
[10:23] <stickupkid> achilleasa, manadart_ I worry about the overuse of strings and set.Strings
[10:23] <achilleasa> Ideally that should be a *net.IPNet but ... mongo
[10:24] <achilleasa> subnets, spaces... all those bits work with string CIDRs
[10:24] <stickupkid> achilleasa, fair, although `type CIDR *net.IPNet` and hang everything off CIDR
[10:25] <stickupkid> achilleasa, you can then implement SetBSON (*sick* inside!)
[10:25] <achilleasa> yeah... but then you have to parse CIDRs early on (could be problematic for tests)
[10:26] <stickupkid> achilleasa, sure, sure, agree with you
[10:26] <achilleasa> ha! can't override SetBSON for type aliases I think
[10:26] <achilleasa> (or other methods)
[10:26] <stickupkid> not sure, maybe
[10:26] <achilleasa> or is that only for existing methods?
[10:26] <stickupkid> existing ones I'm sure of it
[10:27] <achilleasa> yeah... not sure if the restriction extends to other methods
[10:27] <achilleasa> I will check later :D
[10:32] <stickupkid> manadart_, tick
[10:32] <manadart_> stickupkid: Cheers.
[10:46] <manadart_> stickupkid: Quick HO?
[10:46] <stickupkid> sure
[10:59] <b1juj> Hi, I'm having problems setting up gnocchi and ceilometer with juju. Gnocchi has been in waiting state for >12hrs with messages "'shared-db' incomplete" and "'db-router' incomplete, Waiting for proxied DB creation from cluster". Ceilometer is in blocked state with message "Incomplete relations: database, Run the ceilometer-upgrade action on the leader to initialize ceilometer and gnocchi". I have tried running the
[10:59] <b1juj> ceilometer-upgrade action but it fails with message "The identity-credentials and or metric-service relations are not complete.
[10:59] <b1juj>   ceilometer-upgrade cannot be run until they are ready."
[11:03] <stickupkid> achilleasa, HO?
[11:03] <achilleasa> stickupkid: omw
[13:41] <achilleasa> manadart_: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11896
[15:30] <stickupkid> hml, also you left this as a comment and not approved :) https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11888
[15:30] <hml> stickupkid: i did… need to qa
[15:31] <hml> i’ll merge if qa is good
[15:37] <stickupkid> hml, ta
[15:52] <hml> achilleasa:  the hook context read the charm state data, no the unit state data.  is that the context you were refering too?
[15:54] <achilleasa> hml: the uniter has its own state plus a state for each relation (there is a thing in the relation package that reads that from disk). I thought the latter was read at context creation time but I could very possibly be wrong and it could get cached at start time
[15:54] <hml> achilleasa:  I couldn’t find it
[15:54] <achilleasa> it was that weird map struct
[15:54] <achilleasa> one sec
[15:55] <achilleasa> hml: https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/2.7/worker/uniter/relation/relationer.go#L92
[15:55] <achilleasa> it's the one from 2.7 which gets replaced in 2.8 with the stuff we added
[15:56] <achilleasa> I think L96 reads from disk
[15:56] <achilleasa> also the CommitHook method just after that writes to disk
[15:56] <hml> achilleasa:  i was thinking context, as in running hook contexts
[15:57] <hml> yes, data is read at preparehook
[15:57] <achilleasa> hml: ah... I meant the hook contest (runner/context/context.go)
[15:57] <achilleasa> so if we upgrade (+migrate), then a hook fires before the agent restarts... boom?
[16:01] <hml> achilleasa:  okay, so same context then.  i guess i was thinking literally, not in prehook
[16:01] <hml> achilleasa:  that could be it
[16:01] <hml> achilleasa:  moving the upgrade step to the unit will take care of that
[16:16] <hml> achilleasa:  PrepareHook  calls State() which makes a copy of what’s there already then Validate() is called.  Data is read when NewRelations is called.  And when NextHook is called, part of update().  so just different location.


[04:32] <ali1234> hahaha, the system 76 laptop... it's a zoostorm
[04:36] <Azelphur> ali1234: haha, fun
[04:38] <ali1234> the system 76 does have a better graphics card actually
[04:38] <ali1234> they're not identical spec, but they are clearly built by the same company
[04:42] <Azelphur> ali1234: doesn't surprise me, I imagine system 76 buys em naked OS and then sets up Ubuntu on em
[04:46] <ali1234> well system 76 are configurable at least slightly
[04:47] <ali1234> no doubt whoever builds these can do whatever setup you want and stick your logo on them
[04:48] <ali1234> https://plus.google.com/u/0/117474986382867317779/posts/1zYXy4jC2T8
[05:03] <Azelphur> I can see a few design differences
[05:04] <Azelphur> but they are admittedly very similar and the system76 is most likely a modified zoostorm
[05:04] <Azelphur> :)
[07:47] <AlanBell> they are both clevo
[07:48] <AlanBell> first laptop I paid for myself was a clevo - cost me £2,000 or so
[07:48] <AlanBell> 1600x1200 screen, three internal hard drives, it rocked
[07:49] <AlanBell> but it was a bit heavy
[07:50] <Darael> Hmm, talking of clevo, I need to find someone who can repair a DC jack.  Really don't feel like shelling out £350 for a new mobo.  Or a new machine, for that matter.
[08:07] <christel> good morning
[08:38] <dwatkins> hiya
[08:49] <jacobw> morning
[09:00] <popey> pip pip
[09:02] <Guest_> hi room
[09:03] <Guest_> is this the only chat room for linux
[09:04] <jacobw> there's many
[09:04] <jacobw> this is the UK channel for Ubuntu
[09:04] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:04] <jacobw> morning brobostigon
[09:05] <jacobw> Guest_: see #ubuntu also
[09:05] <brobostigon> morning jacobw
[09:06] <Guest_> this seems more technical than i was looking for
[09:07] <Guest_> i was thinking something like paltalk?
[09:08] <jacobw> this is IRC, it's like the social network for nerds :)
[09:09] <dwatkins> I'm not sure IRC even has the option for enabling video.
[09:09] <jacobw> hahaha
[09:10]  * jacobw is happy with text based communication modes
[09:10] <dwatkins> As am I, jacobw. I just looked up paltalk and I see it's a client with the option for video and group chat.
[09:12] <christel> someone asked why freenode doesnt do "video chat" yesterday
[09:13] <christel> i pondered the concept for a minute and got scared senseless by the prospect of potentially watching 80K+ geeks, i decided i much prefer text!
[09:13] <jacobw> lol
[09:14] <christel> otoh it could be quite amusing to be a fly on the wall when some of the trollier of people get their kicks, i always envision them a bit like overexcited chimpansees
[09:16] <jacobw> i don't wanna see that
[09:16] <AlanBell> gibbons
[09:27] <Myrtti> I need to decide do I want to upgrade my sisters 10.04 or reinstall with 12.04 Xubuntu
[09:28] <popey> \o/ Myrtti
[09:28] <popey> is she using xfce on 10.04 or Guh-nome?
[09:29] <Myrtti> Gnome, with one panel on the bottom with everything in one menu set up to be as close to Win95/98/2000 as possible
[09:30] <popey> you could probably get the same effect with gnome fallback?
[09:30] <popey> gnome-session-fallback - GNOME Session Manager - GNOME fallback session
[09:30] <elfy> mine's set up more or less like that Myrtti with xubuntu
[09:30] <AlanBell> if you want to try unity then go for quantal
[09:31] <Myrtti> I'm not putting anything else than LTS on this machine
[09:31] <popey> wise
[09:31] <popey> but if it's 10.04 era, then what spec is it? might not run unity nicely
[09:31] <jacobw> unity in lts not good enough?
[09:31] <Myrtti> I've got enough in my hands with her computer problems without needing to upgrade every six months
[09:31] <popey> heh
[09:32] <popey> my mum is on 12.04, she's not moving off that anytime soon :)
[09:32] <Myrtti> jacobw: that was in response of AlanBell's suggestion
[09:32] <jacobw> yeah
[09:32] <popey> I'm really happy with 12.04 on my laptop, I'm resisting moving off it
[09:32] <popey> but I have to test 12.10 a lot so have to have another pc with it on
[09:33] <popey> especially given virtualbox is broken :(
[09:33] <AlanBell> jacobw, unity is still new and being fixed
[09:33] <jacobw> kvm/qemu?
[09:33] <AlanBell> even more broken
[09:33] <Myrtti> popey: Dell Optiplex GX620, with 1GB of RAM and Intel Pentium "3.00GHz"
[09:34] <popey> kvm/qemu dont do 3d passthrough
[09:34] <popey> Myrtti, yeah, that'll be better running something leaner IMO, fallback or xfce would be nice
[09:34] <AlanBell> virtualbox works, but won't use the native drivers
[09:34] <AlanBell> so llvmpipe
[09:35] <Myrtti> if I had more money to throw into her computer problems at the moment, I'd buy more RAM
[09:35] <AlanBell> will upgrade the kids to quantal later I think
[09:35] <Myrtti> I'm still considering do I want to get her another two years of Flickr Pro when she doesn't know how to share pictures from F-Spot to it :-(
[09:36] <Myrtti> she still wants to email the pictures as email attachments :-C
[09:36] <Myrtti> "NNNOOOOOOO"
[09:41]  * AlanBell opens up three ssh sessions and logs in as daddy
[09:41] <christel> :o
[09:55] <popey> czajkowski, which robbie is fc on about?
[09:55] <AlanBell> wonder if they will notice
[09:56] <popey> I made the kids "wtf" the other day by sshing in, suing to them and then exporting DISPLAY and running "scrot" to get a screenshot of what they were doing
[09:56] <popey> "How'd you get that on your screen!?"
[09:56] <popey> "Can you see what we're doing all the time!?"
[09:56] <popey> worried looks on their faces :)
[09:58] <AlanBell> :)
[09:59] <jacobw> espeak "muh ha ha ha ha ha" ftw
[10:02] <AlanBell> something wonderful has happened, your computer has come alive!
[10:03] <AlanBell> (a phrase that earned me a detention once)
[10:03] <christel> :o
[10:03]  * jacobw watches bone s8e1
[10:04] <jacobw> testing intercoms is always fun :)
[10:05] <AlanBell> so that is 1.5TB of precise updates done, now why does sudo do-release-upgrade -d tell me there is no new release found?
[10:05] <jacobw> do you a local mirror?
[10:06] <AlanBell> squid-deb-proxy
[10:06] <AlanBell> and 70mb broadband :)
[10:06] <StevenR> AlanBell: how is that bband delivered? (VM-Cable? FTTC?)
[10:06] <popey> AlanBell, LTS only
[10:06] <AlanBell> fttc
[10:07] <popey> see /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[10:07] <popey> Prompt=lts
[10:07] <popey> change that to =normal
[10:07] <popey> then do-release-upgrade -d will work
[10:07] <AlanBell> cool, thanks
[10:07] <popey> np
[10:08] <AlanBell> StevenR: it outruns my wifi, I need to work out how to get more than 30mb across what should be wireless N
[10:08] <StevenR> AlanBell: using 40MHz channels? (Can you use 5GHz N?)
[10:08] <AlanBell> not sure, I poked about with the settings a bit
[10:09] <AlanBell> couldn't see what to do
[10:09] <StevenR> AlanBell: what hardware?
[10:09] <popey> does it have two radios?
[10:09] <jacobw> that's pretty crazy
[10:10] <jacobw> you need mimo
[10:10] <AlanBell> netgear wnr1000v3
[10:10]  * popey hugs his wndr3700
[10:10] <popey> \o/ ddwrt
[10:10] <AlanBell> 02:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01)
[10:10] <AlanBell> on the laptop
[10:11] <AlanBell> I only found out the other day that I could go from 30mb over wireless to 70mb plugged in direct
[10:13]  * popey shuts down his server to move it elsewhere
[10:15] <popey> wow, office much quieter with server off shocker
[10:16] <StevenR> AlanBell: the datasheet suggests it can't do mimo, however you might get better performance with a) 40MHz channels if it supports it or b) Picking a better/less crowded channel (I find the Wifi Analyzer android app easiest for this)
[10:18] <AlanBell> popey: I ripped all the fans out of my server, boot from an SD card and set the hdd to spin down
[10:19] <brobostigon> i decided on owncloud, go the basics working last night, :)
[10:19] <brobostigon> got*
[10:19] <jacobw> owncloud is awesome
[10:20] <brobostigon> :)
[10:21] <brobostigon> was dead easy to install, it was there in the repos, and did most of the setup for me.
[10:21] <popey> AlanBell, mine has 12 disks, i think no fans in it would hurt
[10:21] <popey> especially as they're spinning most of the day
[10:23]  * dwatkins discovers the joys of being friendzoned once more
[10:25] <AlanBell> popey: why are they spinning?
[10:26] <dwatkins> Do RAID arrays not spin all the time they're on anyway?
[10:26] <AlanBell> raid of ssd ftw
[10:26] <dwatkins> Perhaps you're asking why the server is up all day, sorry AlanBell
[10:26] <dwatkins> heh, yeah - although continuously writing to SSD can't be good for it.
[10:27] <AlanBell> it is *fine*
[10:27] <Myrtti> the Optiplex wasn't booting and lit the diagnostics lights in an undocumented way. In an attempt to find out what was wrong, I opened it up and cleaned the fan and heatsink and refreshed the thermal paste. It's amazing how quiet the computer is now
[10:27] <dwatkins> Myrtti: win :)
[10:27] <AlanBell> I boot from an SD card, bulk storage is on a 3TB spinning rust drive
[10:27] <Myrtti> I'm not sure if the booting problem disappeared yet though :-|
[10:27] <dwatkins> This reminds me, I need a new PC - anyone near Edinburgh got an old desktop they don't want anymore?
[10:27] <AlanBell> but that only spins up to collect a backup from another computer
[10:28] <AlanBell> stuff like irssi and the few websites on that box run from the sd card
[10:28] <dwatkins> AlanBell: yeah, that's how I had my server setup when I was using a desktop machine, and pretty much how my netbook server works too
[10:28] <dwatkins> I do tend to run things all the time in the background now, like icecast, just for fun.
[10:28] <dwatkins> That reminds me, I should find out why icecast2 is transcoding and taking lots of CPU time.
[10:40] <Myrtti> of course Crucial website offers me a RAM upgrade I can't get from Finland :-<
[10:40] <dwatkins> Myrtti: they won't deliver to you? :(
[10:41] <Myrtti> well they probably would, but delivering from US is bound to be more expensive than buying directly from a reseller
[10:53] <popey> AlanBell, they are spinning because they're constantly in use
[10:53] <popey> i backup every 6 hours and it takes ~4 hours to backup :)
[10:54] <popey> and I'd love for you to buy me 12TB in SSD  to replace it :)
[10:57] <Myrtti> anyone have experience in buying stuff from Kikatek?
[10:59] <popey> Myrtti, what exact type of RAM is it? I may have some spare in my box-o-ram
[11:00] <dwatkins> popey: wow, that's a pretty serious backup schedule
[11:01] <popey> its the default with rsnapshot
[11:01] <popey> i backup my laptop, desktop, family computer and some remote boxes and keep houly, daily, weekly, monthly
[11:01] <Myrtti> DDR2 DIMM 240-pin, I'm not entirely sure how fast it can be, Crucial and Kingston seem to recommend 667MHz, but the machine has 533 at the moment
[11:01]  * popey looks
[11:01] <popey> what size? 1GB?
[11:02] <popey> i.e. whats the max it can take?
[11:03] <popey> Myrtti, found some PC2 7200 2GB
[11:03] <popey> part number: OCZ2N9002GK
[11:03] <popey> two of them
[11:04] <popey> also, a transcend 1GB DDR2 800 DIMM CL5, PN:<PHONE_NUMBER>
[11:04] <Myrtti> huh, just had a massive cramp in my thigh, out of breath now
[11:04]  * Myrtti digs for specs
[11:05]  * AlanBell has a 1GB PC2 5300 CT12364AA667.8FG
[11:05]  * popey puts to one side and makes lunch
[11:05] <popey> lemme know
[11:05] <AlanBell> gave most of the rest of my desktop ram sticks away
[11:05] <Myrtti> Dell seems to think that 4GB is the max, so does Crucial
[11:06] <AlanBell> how many slots?
[11:06] <Myrtti> four
[11:07] <Myrtti> it's not a bad computer, it's just a bit old and underaccessorised.
[11:07] <AlanBell> what is in the slots at the moment?
[11:08] <Myrtti> two 512K's, product: M3 78T6553CZ3-CD5
[11:09] <Myrtti> M's, even
[11:10] <jacobw> ah crap, i'm going to have to upgrade to quantal
[11:11] <jacobw> i'm just a sucker for shiny new things
[11:11] <AlanBell> Myrtti: well I am happy to post this 1GB stick somewhere if you want it
[11:12] <AlanBell> dunno if your desktop will want them in pairs though
[11:20] <Myrtti> AlanBell: yeah, I don't know either, I suppose they recommend it
[11:44]  * StevenR mutters about the difficulty of finding a sensibly priced router/firewall box
[11:46] <MartijnVdS> StevenR: routerboard.com
[11:48] <jacobw> mikrotik :)
[11:49] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: their routeros takes some getting used to.. but it works great :)
[11:49] <jacobw> yeah, it's very good
[11:50] <jacobw> i just had a bad experience trying to use their scripting language update dns with dhcp hostnames
[11:54] <czajkowski> popey: robbie on server team / Arm guy based down that way was at oggcamp
[11:55] <popey> yeah, couldn't find a robbie on the directory
[11:55] <StevenR> MartijnVdS: the hardware seems sensible... is the os sane?
[11:57] <jacobw> StevenR: it's quite sensible, and it has a API
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> it has a web interface too
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> and a telnet/ssh interface
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> I like it
[11:58] <jacobw> i didn't know it had a web interface
[11:58] <MartijnVdS> it looks almost like the "Winbox" interface
[11:59] <MartijnVdS> (from the Windows management UI app)
[12:02] <czajkowski> hmm where did popey go
[12:04] <jacobw> winbox also runs fine in wine
[12:20]  * christel strokes czajkowski
[13:13] <mattt> woah now
[13:35] <dogmatic69> hehe bug 1055766
[13:39] <penguin42> dogmatic69: Pointed out to me as a wonderful example of trolling
[13:39] <penguin42> (or how to explain trolling to those not internet savvy)
[13:41]  * AlanBell likes the Isabel Fay song for explaining that
[13:42] <AlanBell> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz2jbCJXkpA (bits might be a tiny bit rudeish)
[13:47] <penguin42> hehe nicely done
[13:48] <Azelphur> AlanBell: haha, I love that song xD
[13:51] <SuperEngineer> boo!
[13:54] <StevenR> MartijnVdS, jacobw thanks for the suggestions :)
[14:11] <ali1234> penguin42: on a similar note, commandlinefu.com has a search box on it which says "type here to grep the archive" but which does NOT accept regular expressions
[14:12] <ali1234> i was disappoint
[14:15] <penguin42> ali1234: Haha yes that's a bit of an ommission
[16:24] <RadiumCat> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xKnmnxsjAUo/UGW7f05ibAI/AAAAAAAAQDk/NNEsYYWu3vw/s1600/oacg570.gif
[16:33] <popey> http://speedtest.net/ broken?
[16:33] <popey> i click begin test and it says its evaluating best server, never finishes
[16:35] <AlanBell> popey: aaah, I was having trouble with that earlier too
[16:36] <AlanBell> popey: fwm now, but I was trying on the kids computers and it wasn't
[16:36] <AlanBell> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2210379891.png need more wifi powah
[16:37] <AlanBell> s/fwm/wfm/
[17:01] <popey> hmm, seems okay now
[17:24] <jacobw> evening
[17:56] <bigcalm_laptop> Hallo peeps
[17:57] <brobostigon> evening jacobw and bigcalm_laptop
[17:57] <bigcalm_laptop> o/
[17:58] <brobostigon> o/
[18:13] <christel> hullu kids
[18:14] <bigcalm_laptop> It's christel :)
[18:16] <christel> it is!
[18:16] <christel> and now she must GO
[18:16] <christel> i think
[18:19] <bigcalm_laptop> christel: fair thee well and stuff ;) Have a good evening
[19:05] <jacobw> hez
[20:11] <mattt> evening all
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> \o
[20:27] <pinky-> o/
[20:45] <popey> evening all
[20:45] <pinky-> good evening popey
[20:45] <pinky-> no pub tonight?
[20:47] <popey> me? no
[20:47] <pinky-> popey, ok, my excuse is I'm tea-total, are you just having a break?
[20:48] <popey> a break from?
[20:48] <pinky-> SAturday night rituals
[20:48] <pinky-> oops for caps
[20:48] <popey> I'm married with kids :)
[20:48] <popey> Saturday night is generally in
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> Doctor Night :)
[20:48] <pinky-> ahh ok that makes sense
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> Appropriate post-Doctor music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RfX8MW9g2Q
[20:52] <pinky-> MartijnVdS, singer sounds like Sinéad O'Connor
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> pinky-: she's saner though
[20:54] <pinky-> MartijnVdS, most people are :o
[20:55] <pinky-> I have a script on my irc cleient that when I type a nick follwed by : it opens a private message window.. I might have a look to remove it for functionality on Freenode
[20:55] <pinky-> Client*
[20:56] <pinky-> and get with the mode
[21:02] <MartijnVdS> just use irssi
[21:03]  * MartijnVdS has a script-less irssi
[21:03] <MartijnVdS> some aliases, but no scripts
[21:03] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ for example
[21:03] <pinky-> MartijnVdS, yes irssi is an old classic
[21:03] <pinky-> and still relevent
[21:03] <MartijnVdS> ♥ irssi
[21:03] <pinky-> The other place I'm from the chatters are not so punctional and don't add : after typing a nick for direction, I just don't want to annoy so will look into it after a freash coffee. Infact I'm that paranoid now is reason why I've even mentioned it.
[21:04] <MartijnVdS> pinky-: At work, people copy/paste the entire first bit of the line instead of jsut tab-completing
[21:04] <MartijnVdS> so the so:
[21:04] <MartijnVdS> so they do*
[21:04] <MartijnVdS> < pinky->
[21:04] <MartijnVdS> which is VERY annoying :)
[21:04] <pinky-> ok, now I know
[21:05] <pinky-> time-stamps re-paste annoys me sometimes, but not all
[21:05] <pinky-> depends if I wanted to know or not:)
[21:05] <MartijnVdS> so do that too
[21:06] <MartijnVdS> But they tend to make the sysadmins angry.. so that gets.. "dealt with"
[21:06] <jacobw> graphical irc feels wrong :(
[21:07] <Darael> My irssi's been segfaulting every few days.  The xmpp module seems to have got less stable.  At least, I /think/ that's what it is.
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> Darael: xmpp in irssi? you scary scary man.
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> Darael: just use bitlbee :)
[21:08] <Darael> MartijnVdS: There's a plugin in the repos.  And bitlbee doesn't integrate as nicely as a proper plugin.
[21:08] <Darael> I can't /roster and similar without setting up a whole host of aliases if I use bitlbee.
[21:09] <MartijnVdS> I tend to use gtalk inside gmail anyway
[21:09] <MartijnVdS> and not much else
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> Time for zzz
[21:10] <Darael> On my own machines I use psi+ for my xmpp, but I'm frequently on others.  Especially since my lappy's currently out of action.
[22:33] <pinky-> cool I have managed to successfully edit my script and can now use : after a nick without loads of nonsense happening:)
[22:34] <Darael> Excellent.
[22:34] <pinky-> Darael: thanks
[22:34] <Darael> I still think irssi is better than mIRC.  I may be somewhat biased.
[22:35] <Darael> Hmm, that reminds me, I should set my CTCP VERSION response to something improbable.
[22:35] <Darael> irssi v1.0?
[22:35] <pinky-> Darael: I never said I was using mIRC. what made you think I was?:)
[22:35] <Darael> pinky-: I ran a CTCP VERSION and it said so.  Of course that could have been a custom VERSION string deceiving me.
[22:36] <Darael> pinky-: mIRC v7.22 Khaled Mardam-Bey, to be precise.
[22:36] <pinky-> Darael: my last ctfcp reply said "oops someone stole it from me"
[22:36] <pinky-> :)
[22:36] <pinky-> without the f
[22:37] <pinky-> was a typo.. yet again!
[22:37] <Darael> That's not bad.  Still tempted by "irssi v1.0", although I think I should also claim it's running on, say, a Beeb.
[22:37] <Darael> Or a Spectrum.
[22:37] <pinky-> Vic-20 :o
[22:38] <Darael> Colossus?
[22:38] <pinky-> Commodore Vic 20.. slightly before the spectrum
[22:39] <Darael> I know.  I was making another suggestion.
[22:39] <Darael> How about the Analytical Machine?
[22:40] <pinky-> no, no and no..   A mechanical computer, a successor to the Difference Engine.
[22:43] <christel> COFFEE
[22:45] <Darael> Coffee?  What is this witchcraft?
[22:48] <pinky-> Darael: it is pure Voodoo
[22:49] <Darael> Tell me more.
[22:50] <pinky-> no lame decaf for me:)
[23:40] <ddtge> hi
[23:40] <ddtge> what image viewer support animated sideshow?
[23:44]  * penguin42 suspects imagemagick's does
[23:49] <ddtge> penguin42, i want to use it like a digital photo frame.
[23:52] <penguin42> ddtge: try the 'display' program from graphicsmagick package, it can do most things
[23:53] <ddtge> penguin42, now i'm work with feh, but i can't find a way to make animated transition
[23:56] <penguin42> ddtge: I've not tried anything for pretty display of images; display is more a tool - it can do most things, it's not necessary nice about it
[23:57] <ddtge> i see.
[23:58] <ddtge> i'm after the installation of graphicsmagick package, but i can't find how to use it..
[23:58] <penguin42> I said it wasn't necessarily pretty :-)
[23:59] <ddtge> if i type 'display' in the terminal it can't fine the command..
[23:59] <penguin42> odd
[23:59] <ddtge> The program 'display' can be found in the following packages:
[23:59] <ddtge>  * imagemagick
[23:59] <ddtge>  * graphicsmagick-imagemagick-compat


[04:00] <bacon000> Is it possible to delete a bzr branch, as in Git?
[04:00] <bacon000> As opposed to Hg, where I think it's only possible using plugins.
[04:19] <spiv> bacon000: sure.
[04:20] <spiv> (You can't easily delete the revisions for that branch from a repository, though.)
[04:21] <spiv> If you're using the common each-branch-is-a-directory-on-disk layout, then deleting a branch is simply "rm that-branch/"
[04:21] <spiv> Er, "rm -r that-branch"
[04:21] <spiv> Obviously :)
[04:26] <bacon000> each-branch-is-a-directory-on-disk = "feature branches", right?
[04:31] <persia> there's no close relation between branch layout and semantic assignments of various branches.
[05:40] <Meatball_py> hello everyone, how can I change the parent location of my local bzr branch?
[05:44] <Meatball_py> I modified the .bzr/branch/branch.conf, changed parent_location to bzr+ssh://bazzar.launchpad.net/~openerp/openobject-addons/6.1/ , but it gives "Permission Denied (publickey)".
[05:46] <bob2> fyi the cert on blog.bazaar.c.c is expired
[05:47] <bob2> Meatball_py, sounds like you didn't do bzr lplogin or whatever
[06:07] <Meatball_py> bob2: no I didn't, but that's an open source project, I didn't expect it requires login. And I can do bzr branch lp:~openobject-addons without login (in another folder)
[06:14] <bob2> ?
[06:14] <bob2> bzr+ssh
[06:14] <bob2> ^ definitely going to require logging in
[06:30] <Meatball_py> bob2: got it, I replaced bzr+ssh with http and it works :) thank you
[06:30] <bob2> hot
[10:36] <ccxCZ> how do I disable locking on source of bzr pull? it fails on permission denied (source is readonly to this user)
[10:36] <ccxCZ> bzr-2.5.1
[16:44] <LarstiQ> ccxCZ: hmm, that's a local branch? In what format?
[18:16] <ccxCZ> Standalone branch (format: 2a)
[18:17] <ccxCZ> though I've discovered the place where I was pulling was already a lightweight checkout
[18:17] <ccxCZ> >_<
[18:31] <LarstiQ> ccxCZ: and you got the permission error on reading the source branch, _not_ on writing to the target?
[18:31] <LarstiQ> Perhaps a traceback would be good to look at at this point
[18:34] <ccxCZ> well, I assume it was the latter since I was not expecting it to be bound
[18:35] <LarstiQ> ccxCZ: aah
[18:35]  * LarstiQ needs to eat more
[18:35] <LarstiQ> ccxCZ: yeah


[05:37] <cpaelzer> jamespage: coreycb: is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>a known issue?
[05:38] <cpaelzer> I see that particular fail in four of the last five tests
[05:38] <cpaelzer> seems unrelated to the particular upload that is tested
[07:38] <tjaalton> how can I nominate a bug for a series, when the series was previously removed from the bug by clicking the 'minus' icon..
[07:38] <wgrant> tjaalton: It can be complicated. Which bug?
[07:38] <tjaalton> 1872569
[07:39] <tjaalton> tried a few tricks but didn't work :)
[07:39] <wgrant> I thought I fixed it like a decade ago to remove the nomination when the last corresponding series task is removed, but it's possible I misremembered.
[07:39]  * wgrant checks the code.
[07:40] <wgrant>         # When a task is deleted, we also delete it's BugNomination entry
[07:40] <wgrant>         # if there is one.
[07:40] <tjaalton> well, in this case I'd add focal but it's still listed for 'linux'
[07:40] <tjaalton> so should I remove it from there, and then add back?
[07:40] <wgrant> tjaalton: Oh, this isn't even that
[07:41] <wgrant> tjaalton: So there's one widget on the bug page that behaves differently based on which target is in the URL: Target to seriess
[07:41] <wgrant> If you change the URL to say linux-oem-osp1 rather than linux, I think you'll get focal in the targeting page
[07:41] <wgrant> Or linux-oem-5.6 or whatever
[07:41] <wgrant> Some target that doesn't currently have a focal task
[07:41] <tjaalton> nope :/
[07:42] <wgrant> Huh, you're right. That is interesting.
[07:42]  * wgrant checks the history.
[07:42] <wgrant>  bug task deleted linux-oem-osp1 (Ubuntu Focal)
[07:42] <wgrant> I think that should have triggered that code :/
[07:45] <wgrant> tjaalton: Ah, so that code did trigger, but there's an additional check that won't let you nominate again if there's an existing series task, which there is... but only on one source package. Easiest thing is to delete the remaining focal task, then renominate and restore the task's state
[07:54] <jamespage> cpaelzer: I'm going to work on our autopkgtest failures today as coreycb is out for the day
[07:55] <tjaalton> wgrant: right
[07:56] <tjaalton> wgrant: yep that worked, and it even remembered the bug assignee when it was added back :)
[07:57] <wgrant> tjaalton: Hah, I didn't even think of that, but due to the conjoined bugtask rule it will remember its state, yet
[07:57] <wgrant> yes
[07:57] <wgrant> (because it's the development series task, its state is synced with the non-series task that is hidden when the series task exists)
[07:58] <wgrant> series. tasks. are. weird.
[07:59] <tjaalton> hehe
[08:40] <cpaelzer> jamespage: it worked on a retry
[08:40] <cpaelzer> but the history suggests that something is going on ...
[08:40] <cpaelzer> it wasn't a one off failure
[10:03] <jamespage> cpaelzer: no - I uploaded a change to fixup the tests
[10:03] <jamespage> basically we're getting to the point where services won't test OK without the rest of openstack being running as well
[12:56] <AsciiWolf> jbicha, hi, I have changed the name/description of #1866841 to a SRU... let me know if there is anything else I should do or change
[13:02] <AsciiWolf> jbicha, anyway, I need to go away for a hour - two, feel free to edit if there is anything incorrect/incomplete in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1866841
[13:55] <seb128> hum, launchpad just showed me 'you have been logged out' ubuntuone page while editing a bug, rude!
[14:54] <hallyn> hey rbasak  - i accidentally let mey ubuntu-core-dev membership expire.  reminders got lost in spam.  is that re-set-able?
[14:54] <hallyn> (Laney had suggested emailing the perms list, but my ubuntu.com mail fwd seems to have gone berzerk so i can't tell if that worked or not :)
[14:58] <seb128> speaking of DMB, could someone do a refresh of the persmission (as by https://git.launchpad.net/~developer-membership-board/+git/packageset/tree/README)?
[14:59] <seb128> ddstreet, slashd, rbasak, ^ unsure if there is a DMB alias or what's the right place to ask for that? (also where do we ask for exceptions to be added?)
[15:00] <Laney> hallyn: your mail worked https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-April/001482.html
[15:00] <Laney> seb128<EMAIL_ADDRESS>as well IME
[15:00] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[15:01] <hallyn> Laney - oh, cool, thanks.
[15:01] <hallyn> hm, i should fix that from address
[15:02] <Laney> still, perhaps pinging will make action happen faster :-)
[15:04] <seb128> Laney, the refresh is useful but didn't add things like yaru-theme (because it's in desktop-minimal and that's not consider? or because it's a recommends only?)
[15:04] <Laney> I doubt it's either of those reasons but you'd have to dig in specifically to find out why
[15:05] <seb128> k, maybe after release if I get some quiet cycle
[15:05] <Laney> maybe they'd consider adding an exception for it
[15:09] <Laney> here's a guess: gnome-shell needed an exception because it was ending up in desktop-core for some reason
[15:09] <Laney> and yaru-theme-gnome-shell is in gnome-shell-common's Recommends
[15:10] <Laney> that script (probably wrongly) doesn't transitively apply its exceptions
[15:12] <seb128> Laney, thx for the investigation/hints
[15:14] <rbasak> hallyn: I've seen it, just not looked at it yet, sorry.
[15:14] <rbasak> We make sure to catch up on outstanding ML requests every meeting.
[15:16] <Laney> seb128: if you mail, tracker -> ubuntugnome looks wrong too these days
[15:17] <hallyn> rbasak: i'm not in a hurry, thanks :)
[15:21] <seb128> Laney, thx, I will probably do a review of the list/things missing before emailing
[15:21] <Laney> (that one is in the exceptions)
[15:21] <Laney> ok
[15:21] <Laney> cool
[15:43] <bdmurray> RikMills-M: Where is the fix for bug 1872551 committed?
[16:42] <hallyn> rbasak: Laney: so would this be why people.ubuntu.com/~serge-hallyn would have disappeared?
[16:42] <hallyn> or do i need to chase down something else :)
[16:43] <Laney> sounds likely, assuming that caused you to lose Ubuntu memberrship
[16:43] <Laney> s/rr/r/
[16:46] <rbasak> I didn't even know that existed