[00:00] <gourdcaptain> How do I manually set the resolution to a specific value? The xfce configuration tools (if I'm using the NV driver) only let me go up to 800x600 with a 54hz refresh rate, when I want (and my monitor could do with the NVIDIA drivers prior to 8.10) 1024x768 at 70Hz?
[00:01] <favro> gourdcaptain: in terminal type   xrandr   to see options then   xrandr -s 1024x768   if it is available
[00:02] <zerothis> i used dpkg to force gnome-swallowed-applet to install without the whole gnome-behemoth to use it in xfce. is there a way to force no warning for this 'broken' package?
[00:02] <gourdcaptain> favro: Is that possible to do if the Xfce config tool doesn't list it as a possible resolution with that driver, and will it stay that way after a reboot?
[00:03] <favro> yes yes
[00:18] <gourdcaptain> I can't get xrandr to set my resolution to 1024x768, its not listed as a mode. How do I add it?
[00:19] <favro> gourdcaptain: the driver doesn't seem to support it if it isn't listed
[00:19] <gourdcaptain> Wow. The NV driver is crap.
[00:20] <favro> just old prob
[00:20] <gourdcaptain> VESA supports higher resolutions. So time to try noveau, I guess.
[00:20] <gourdcaptain> favro: By which you mean?
[00:20] <favro> it might not be able to work with newer cards maybe
[00:21] <gourdcaptain> favro: I have a machine with a Geforce 4 MX. That's about the opposite of new.
[00:22] <favro> heh - it was a guess - I don't use nvidia
[00:25] <gourdcaptain> So I get to try the reverse-engineered drivers. Fun. Hopefully the upgraded NVIDIA proprietary drivers get thrown in the repo soon.
[00:26] <nikola> I wish ATI drivers were thrown in Repo soon too =-(
[00:26] <nikolam> usually open source driver for older cards work much better then new proprietary drivers
[00:27] <nikolam> nikola, care to join #ubuntu-rs?
[00:27] <nikola> Oh,yes.Lol,i forgot
[00:28] <gourdcaptain> favro: Anyway, thanks for the help.
[00:28] <favro> np
[00:44] <gourdcaptain> Okay, this is crap. I install the noveau drivers (which supposedly support my driver) and end up having to boot into recovery to restore xorg.conf after they cause "strangeness" according to the terminal that flashed every 3 seconds.
[00:49] <GreedyB> Anyone know if you can have two different menus.. one on a panel and one that for right clicking the desktop?
[00:49] <favro> gourdcaptain: it's been mentioned that the kernel is the issue with nvidia in intrepid - but that is just heresay - try the vesa driver it should do 1024x768
[00:50] <gourdcaptain> favro: Yeah. I'm using VESA. I just can't play videos at framerates in the double digits with it.
[00:50] <favro> yeh I feel your pain :)
[00:52]  * gourdcaptain is currently wishing he hadn't upgraded.
[00:52] <houdini> gourdcaptain: could be worse.  I had a hard drive fail during my upgrade!
[00:52] <houdini> (not Ubuntu's fault, but still)
[00:53] <gourdcaptain> houdini: Ouch. I know that one - it's what got me into linux in the first place. (Lack of XP restore methods)
[01:28] <chickengirl> anyone around?
[01:29] <favro> .
[01:29] <jaakkome> sort of
[01:31] <chickengirl> I need to do a reinstall because I borked my video, and I might as well install Ibex, so I'm wondering how well the servers are holding up with the new release?
[01:31] <jaakkome> try to start a download and see how it goes :>
[01:32] <chickengirl> alrighty.
[01:32] <favro> watch out if you use nvidia
[01:32] <chickengirl> what's the problem with nvidia? >.<
[01:33] <favro> lots of complaints about it not working
[01:33] <jaakkome> I thought the nvidia problem was only with KDE?
[01:33] <chickengirl> I was wanting to upgrade because right now it's not working in Hardy :p
[01:34] <favro> heresay is it is kernel related
[01:34] <chickengirl> I've installed and reinstalled the nvidia driver six ways til Sunday and it's just not working
[01:34] <favro> got an older kernel lying around?
[01:35] <chickengirl> one or two
[01:35] <favro> I'd try booting into the oldest and having a go in that
[01:35] <chickengirl> alright, thanks :)
[01:35] <moontiger> hi :)
[01:36] <favro> thank me after it works chickengirl :)
[01:36] <favro> hi moontiger
[01:36] <moontiger> i am currently running xubuntu 8.04 and finally have it set up just as i want it to be ... i tried the live xubuntu 8.10 cd and i really dont like the theme that it uses as default ... is there a way to get the same theme as 8.04?
[01:36] <moontiger> thnx :)
[01:38] <favro> you could try copying the theme to usb and installing in  ~/.themes after the upgrade - it might even be at xfce-look
[01:38] <favro> !theme
[01:39] <moontiger> favro ... it sounds stupid but the menu ">" pointer thingies *really* dont look good imho
[01:39] <favro> nothing silly about that - you have to look at it so it should "fit" you
[01:40] <moontiger> so i was wondering if they can be changed ... it seems that if i use the theme and window manager thingy i like i get the ugly ">" things
[01:40] <moontiger> if i change the theme i can lose them but then i lose the theme i like
[01:40] <moontiger> :|
[01:41] <favro> maybe the theme you like is missing some parts or is for nautilus or sumthin'
[01:42] <moontiger> its just a standard xubuntu theme / window manager thing in 8.04
[01:42] <favro> k
[01:42] <moontiger> thats why i was a bit surprised it didnt work in 8.10
[01:43] <moontiger> oh well i'll play arounda bit more on the live cd and see if i can find anything out ... thnx anyways
[01:43] <moontiger> :)
[01:47] <ball> I broke my panel
[01:47] <ball> Am I right in thinking I'm supposed to have an Applications menu?
[01:48] <favro> should yes
[01:48] <ball> I think there was another menu, but I don't know what it was.
[01:48] <favro> places maybe?
[01:49] <ball> Yes, that rings a bell
[01:49] <ball> Is there something I can type at the command line that will restore my panel?
[01:49] <favro> !resetpanel
[01:49] <favro> that's for gnome
[01:50] <ChickenGirl> I booted a previous kernel and ran envy-ng, and I have a longer list of resolutions to choose from now, but the highest is still 640x480
[01:51] <favro> does   xrandr   in a terminal show more options ChickenGirl ?
[01:51] <ChickenGirl> same list
[01:51] <charlie-tca> ball: try typing : xfce4-panel restart
[01:52] <favro> ChickenGirl: it didn't set the driver up then...
[01:52] <ball> Neither of those works for me
[01:53] <ball> Is the menu defined in a text file somewhere?
[01:54] <ChickenGirl> how do I get the driver set up?
[01:54] <favro> /usr/share/menu i think ball
[01:55] <favro> ChickenGirl: did you need sudo for envyng?
[01:55] <ChickenGirl> yes
[01:55] <ball> favro: that's a directory
[01:55] <ChickenGirl> I ran it from my system menu, but it asked for my password before running
[01:56] <favro> ball: and what's in there - not using xfce atm
[01:56] <ball> favro: many things
[01:56] <favro> ChickenGirl: did it add nvidia to /etc/modules?
[01:56] <ball> 77 things
[01:56] <favro> ohh
[01:57] <ChickenGirl> no
[01:58] <favro> ChickenGirl: in terminal type   lsmod   and look for nvidia or nv
[01:58] <ChickenGirl> nvidia               8115088  34
[02:00] <favro> ChickenGirl: I don't know why it won't work then sorry...
[02:01] <ball> Well, I broke that then.
[02:01] <favro> !nvidia
[02:01] <ball> I notice the panel I'm seeing looks more like Gnome than Xfce
[02:01] <favro> ChickenGirl: seen that site?
[02:01] <favro> ball: does xfce4-panel show in top?
[02:03] <ChickenGirl> I'm looking through it right now
[02:03] <favro> k
[02:05] <ball> brb
[02:07] <ChickenGirl> what's really weird is that all my compiz effects seem to be working it's just the resolution that's jacked up
[02:08] <ChickenGirl> I'm trying adding the resolutions in xorg.conf manually
[02:09] <ChickenGirl> I'm going to restart x and see if it helped at all
[02:10] <ceafu> So what is the contact (address book) app for Xubuntu supposed to be? Thunderbird address book ?
[02:11] <ChickenGirl> holy mother of god it actually worked that time
[02:11] <ChickenGirl> I have my 1280 resolution back XD
[02:12] <ChickenGirl> now I need to see if my 3D accel is working
[02:13] <ChickenGirl> (le sigh...) no 3D accel.
[02:14] <ChickenGirl> and compiz doesn't seem to be working either
[02:14] <ChickenGirl> cassie@cygnet:~$ compiz --replace
[02:14] <ChickenGirl> Checking for Xgl: not present.
[02:14] <ChickenGirl> No whitelisted driver found
[02:15] <ball> favro: it shows in ps -ax
[02:15] <favro> ball: then it wasn't gnome-panel...
[02:16] <ball> favro: oh good.  Does that help us fix it?
[02:16] <favro> ChickenGirl: do you have extensions in xorg.conf?
[02:16] <favro> ball: nope - you said it looked like gnome-panel
[02:17] <ChickenGirl> favro, no
[02:17] <favro> ChickenGirl: on "DRI"
[02:17] <favro> 	Mode	0666
[02:17] <favro> EndSection
[02:17] <favro> Section "Extensions"
[02:17] <favro>        Option "Composite" "Enable"
[02:17] <favro>        Option "RENDER" "Enable"
[02:17] <favro> EndSection
[02:18] <favro> ChickenGirl: Seection "DRI" that first line is
[02:18] <favro> ChickenGirl: Section "DRI" that first line is
[02:20] <ChickenGirl> favro can you say that again, I was trying to get compiz to work and I angered it >.< had to restart X
[02:20] <favro> ball: I can't find anything on reset the panel to default
[02:20] <favro> ChickenGirl: Section "DRI"
[02:20] <favro>   Mode 0666
[02:20] <favro> EndSection
[02:21] <favro> Section "Extensions"
[02:21] <favro>        Option "Composite" "Enable"
[02:21] <favro>         Option "RENDER" "Enable"
[02:21] <favro> EndSection
[02:21] <favro> add to xorg.conf
[02:21] <ChickenGirl> ty
[02:21] <favro> np :)
[02:21] <tdizzle86> Favro, can you tell me what you are doing, I just joined the room
[02:22] <tdizzle86> and it looks like it has something to do with why I joined the room
[02:22] <favro> trying to get nvidia drivers and compiz happn'n
[02:22] <tdizzle86> Oh ok close, I'm having trouble with the intel driver and 3d video games
[02:23] <tdizzle86> Know anything about that?
[02:23] <ChickenGirl> alright, gonna see if it works now...
[02:23] <favro> the section dri bit is important for that
[02:23] <favro> luck ChickenGirl
[02:24] <tdizzle86> So, I should add the DRI section that you messaged to chickengirl?
[02:25] <favro> yep - but I don't know if the intel driver needs the render and composite bits
[02:26] <tdizzle86> Ok, I will try it out.  Thanks for the help
[02:29] <ball> Ah good, someone in #xfce knew how to fix it
[02:30] <ChickenGirl> I added those sections and when I logged out it was back in low graphics mode
[02:36] <favro> ball: what was the fix please?
[02:37] <ball> favro: rm -rf .config/xfce4/panel
[02:37] <favro> k
[02:38] <ball> Is there some way to serve up the whole desktop to a remote Xserver?
[02:39] <tdizzle86> Hey ball what do you need to do
[02:39] <tdizzle86> Set up something like VNC?
[02:39] <ball> tdizzle86: VNC would be one option, but from the little experience I've had of Ubuntu so far, it only seems to work once a user has logged in.
[02:40] <ball> ...not only that, but if the machine I'm sitting at has X11, that would seem to be a logical choice for the protocol
[02:40] <ball> (rather than VNC
[02:40] <ball> )
[02:45] <favro> !vnc
[02:45] <favro> and there is ssh -X if the box isn't logged into
[02:47] <ball> favro: yes, I can use ssh -XCl foo hogwash to launch individual Xclients, but that doesn't give me the desktop
[02:49] <favro> ball: afaik you need vnc then
[02:49] <ball> favro: but I can't VNC into a host until someone has logged in at the console
[02:50] <favro> ball: the vnc over ssh option then? - it lets you login to the box afaik
[02:51] <ball> favro: I don't think that's a combination that works.
[02:51] <ball> I'll try it now though, to be sure.
[02:51] <favro> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH
[02:52] <tdizzle86> Hey favro, can you tell me about ssh -X
[02:54] <favro> from man ssh -  -X      Enables X11 forwarding.  This can also be specified on a per-host basis in a config‐
[02:54] <favro>              uration file.
[02:55] <favro> tdizzle86: I don't use it I use vnc
[02:56] <ball> okay, vncserver gave me bare X11, but I was able to launch xfce4-session, which looks pretty close to the desktop
[02:56] <ball> Hmm... machine's running two desktops now, but that will work for at home.
[02:56] <ball> I may need x2vnc for supporting remote users
[02:57] <ball> This is my cue to head off to the comfy chair
[02:57] <favro> ball: in the .vnc folder on the server will be xforward file - in that you can set the desktop - mine uses fluxbox but you can use any that is installed
[02:57] <tdizzle86> Yeah I use VNC too.
[02:58] <tdizzle86> well x11vnc
[02:58] <favro> xstartup I should have said...
[02:58] <ball> Back shortly (I hope)
[03:00] <tdizzle86> Any way to get x11vnc to run, without anyone being logged in?
[03:01] <GreedyB> Anyone know how to customize the right click menu on the desktop?
[03:02] <favro> it stores the config in a users home folder so doubtful
[03:02] <favro> tdizzle86: ^
[03:02] <tdizzle86> ok
[03:22] <ball> vnc sort of works.
[03:23] <ball> I would prefer to be able to launch xfce4-session as a remote Xclient though
[03:23] <mrwislr> when i do a search in synaptic it only shows installed programs..... i checked the filters but everything is checked for search
[03:23] <tdizzle86> Oh yeah Favro: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC#x11vnc-before-login
[03:24] <tdizzle86> ^ this has a section about using x11vnc while pc is at login screen
[03:24] <favro> k
[03:24] <tdizzle86> I'm getting ready to test it out
[03:28] <mrwislr> when i do a search in synaptic it only shows installed programs..... i checked the filters but everything is checked for search
[03:30] <tdizzle86> mrwislr: Let me see if I can help you
[03:31] <tdizzle86> On the lower left of the synaptic window, what is selected? Where it says sections, status, origin, etc
[03:34] <mrwislr> tdizzle86: ok one sec
[03:35] <mrwislr> tdizzle86: sections is selected
[03:37] <favro> I wonder if it is limited to the cd?
[03:38] <mrwislr> ?
[03:39] <favro> preferences - repositories from the top menu
[03:40] <favro> settings - repositories - sorry
[04:03] <mrwislr> when i do a search in synaptic it only shows installed programs..... i checked the filters but everything is checked for search
[04:07] <favro> !repos | mrwislr
[04:16] <Petri-x> hello everyone! after I installed xubuntu 8.10 I can no longer start skype. all that happens is that the skype process starts eating up all my ram until I kill it via the terminal, but no window is shown
[04:17] <Petri-x> is there anybody who has the same problem or know a solutions? I have tried to search on the forums but I couldn't find anything.
[04:20] <favro> start it from terminal and see what errors there are
[04:21] <Petri-x> ok, I will try that
[04:22] <g0bl1n> hi, I installed 8.10 and my screen blanks when splash should appear. I have a siliconmotion. My xorg.conf has almost no info. The logs report missing Screens
[04:22] <favro> ctrl+c to kill it in terminal
[04:23] <favro> Petri-x: ^
[04:24] <Petri-x> favro, I started it in the terminal and the same thing happens, nothing, that is :-) if I run top I can see that skype is using 90% cpu and 130 MB memory, but still no errors or any window shown
[04:25] <favro> it shows no errors at all when started from terminal?
[04:25] <favro> hmmm
[04:25] <Petri-x> yes, no errors
[04:26] <favro> Petri-x: how are you starting it in terminal - the command?
[04:26] <Petri-x> I have tried to reinstall it and remove it completely with synaptic. I just typed "skype" in the terminal and hit enter, is there some debug command or somthing?
[04:27] <favro> g0bl1n: try   sud dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg   as a check
[04:27] <g0bl1n> favro, tried that. didnt solve
[04:27] <favro> g0bl1n: k
[04:27] <g0bl1n> my xorg.conf is very weird. Almost empty
[04:28] <g0bl1n> no Screens section
[04:28] <g0bl1n> I get a "no Screens found" in xorg.0.log
[04:28] <favro> Petri-x: I don't use it - try   man skype   and look for a debug or verbose option
[04:29] <favro> g0bl1n: tried google for your card and ubuntu?
[04:30] <Petri-x> favro, there is no manual for skype it says.
[04:30] <favro> k
[04:30] <g0bl1n> yes :)
[04:30] <favro> !skype | Petri-x
[04:31] <g0bl1n> tx
[04:32] <Petri-x> ubottu, thanks. I will read that page, and see if it can help to solve my problem
[04:32] <Petri-x> hehe, ok
[04:47] <Petri-x> favro, now I have tried what was written on the installation page, but all I get is that I have the latest version installed. I found in the skype forums that installing something called "static skype" might help. it's a .tar.bz2 file, but it doesn't say how to install it. how do I do that? thank you for helping me out!
[04:48] <favro> Petri-x: in terminal change to the dir the tar file is in
[04:48] <favro> cd /path
[04:49] <favro> then tar -xjvf skypefilename.tar
[04:49] <favro> and look for a readme file
[04:49] <Petri-x> ok, thanks!
[04:49] <favro> np
[04:56] <Petri-x> favro, thanks a million! now it works!
[04:56] <favro> well done Petri-x :)
[04:58] <Petri-x> favro, for the record, the solution was to downlaod the static skype .tar.bz2 install file, untar it, and then follow the suggetion in the readme. I wonder shy the normal installtion with apt-get or using a .deb-file is broken in 8.10...
[05:00] <favro> Petri-x: the ubuntu one might have been built with bad options - I've had to recompile stuff 'cause of that
[05:05] <Petri-x> favro, ok, but now my solution will be searchable since this chat log is posted on the xubuntu web page? I would like to help other people so that if anybody else have the same problem, they can find the solution easily. I have another problem. for a while I used a vista laptop and run pidgin on that because this laptop was broken. after fixing this laptop I started pidgin again. a lot of windows started poping up saying "this contact ex
[05:05] <Petri-x> ists on the local list but not on the server list. do you want to add this user to the server list?" and I of course clicked yes. the problem is that even though I did that a lot of contacts are gone.
[05:06] <favro> I've never used pidgi...
[05:06] <favro> or pidgin
[05:06] <Petri-x> favro, ok, do you use any IM client?
[05:07] <favro> nope - just xchat
[05:07] <Petri-x> favro, ok. I will try and ask in the pidgin forums, thanks again for helping me!
[05:07] <favro> np :)
[05:48] <jaakkome> Is there a way to change what rolling the mouse wheel on the title area of a window does?
[05:49] <jaakkome> Currently it shades / unshades the window, but I'd like it to move the window to next / previous workspace
[07:10] <gaurdro> what does {u} or {a} mean after a package name?
[07:11] <Lancelot> What is KNetAttatch?
[07:11] <favro> !info KNetAttatch
[07:12] <Lancelot> i have it in my files, but i don't know what it does...
[08:29] <Renegade15> good day/evening
[08:29] <favro> hello Renegade15
[08:30] <Renegade15> this computer (my father's) is running 7.10, and I'd like to upgrade to 8.10, but the update manager is only offering 8.04 - is there any way I can update directly or do I have to take the step in between?
[08:31] <Renegade15> (yes, I have updated my package lists and all...stays at 8.04 offered)
[08:32] <Renegade15> maybe something like manually adding the 8.10 repositories...something like that?
[08:33] <favro> you can only upgrade one at a time - I wouldrecommend using 8.04 atm as 8.10 is still very new
[08:33] <favro> !upgrade
[08:34] <favro> personally I prefer a fresh install
[08:34] <Renegade15> oh well...then I'll take 8.04 for now. Thanks for the help :)
[08:34] <favro> np
[08:39] <owen1> how to install firefox plugin (xpi) from the terminal? i tried: firefox -install-global-extension ImageViewer.xpi  but it didn't work.
[08:40] <favro> does   man firefox   give a clue?
[08:56] <_sebastian1> hi all
[08:58] <favro> hello _sebastian1
[08:59] <_sebastian1> I'm having some install troubles
[09:00] <favro> happens to the best of us _sebastian1  - where is it giving issues?
[09:01] <_sebastian1> I have two old Dell notebooks here and on the one with more RAM and a faster CPU the startup process hands when "starting GNOME desktop manager"
[09:01] <_sebastian1> at first I thought it may be the live CD - so I downloaded the alternate
[09:01] <favro> on the live cd or after install?
[09:01] <favro> k
[09:01] <_sebastian1> the installation went without problems
[09:01] <_sebastian1> but then the first start the same thing
[09:02] <favro> sounds like an X issue - X is what makes the graphics
[09:02] <_sebastian1> I even tried with the same boot options as on gutsy b 4 "vga=792 dma nofirewire"
[09:02] <favro> what's the vid card?
[09:03] <_sebastian1> vid card ... well how can I find out when there is no oS on the computer ...
[09:05] <favro> when it can't start gnome - which is ubuntu not xubuntu - you can hit ctrl+alt+F2  and login to use the virtual terminal - then type   lspci | grep VGA   to find out
[09:07] <TheSheep> favro: the 'starting gnome' message is in xubuntu too, because it's gdm. of course the message is wrong :)
[09:07] <favro> ohh
[09:07] <favro> thnx TheSheep
[09:08] <_sebastian1> the thing is that after it did not work on the better equiped NB I put the live CD in the old Dell one with less ram
[09:08] <_sebastian1> yea the message is from XUbuntu
[09:08] <_sebastian1> I think it is a intel chip but I am not sure
[09:09] <_sebastian1> with gutsy the vid chip was not recognised 100% so I had to pass vga=792 at oot
[09:09] <_sebastian1> boot
[09:10] <favro> _sebastian1: there's been a few issues with X on intrepid - in the virtual terminal you could try   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg - it "might" let you get some graphics working
[09:13] <_sebastian1> I thought in the same direction - so I booted the recovery option and was hoping to get into a shell but I got into a menu where I chose fixX - same thing
[09:14] <favro> there is an option in recovery to use a shell/terminal - try that _sebastian1
[09:14] <favro> iirc
[09:14] <_sebastian1> favro: OK I will - thanks so far
[09:14] <favro> luck
[09:15] <favro> write the command down maybe
[09:15] <favro> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[09:16] <_sebastian1> same thought here :-)
[09:17] <favro> hehe
[09:19] <_sebastian1> the option is called 'drop to root shell prompt'
[09:20] <favro> thnx - been a while since I needed it :)
[09:20] <favro> touch wood
[09:20] <Ad0> what's the easiest way to add something that needs root access in startup without making a big init.d script?
[09:21] <_sebastian1> the command does nothing except a message saying that: xserver-xorg postinstal warning overwriting possible customisex xorg.conf file
[09:21] <_sebastian1> somethin along that line
[09:22] <favro> it will have set the xorg.conf to a default so you "may" have a better chance of graphics
[09:22] <favro> now do   sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[09:23]  * favro has fingers crossed
[09:25] <Ad0> lircd: WARNING: can't get exclusive access to events comming from `/dev/input/by-path/pci-0000:01:05.0--event-ir' interface
[09:25] <Ad0> argh
[09:26] <Ad0> that didn't happen in 8.04
[09:26] <favro> looks ugly...
[09:26] <Ad0> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lirc/+bug/16462
[09:26] <Ad0> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lirc/+bug/164627 *
[09:26] <favro> Ad0: k
[09:27] <_sebastian1> yipee X is up .... BUT keybord does not work? will reboot and check again
[09:28] <favro> wow...
[09:28] <favro> _sebastian1: is there an entry for the keyboard in /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[09:33] <TheSheep> favro: 8.10 igonres that entry in xorg.conf
[09:33] <TheSheep> favro: it reads  /etc/default/console-setup instead
[09:34] <favro> TheSheep: ok - and if it doesn't work what is the approach?
[09:35] <TheSheep> favro: panic :)
[09:35] <favro> hehe
[09:36] <TheSheep> Ad0: /etc/rc.local
[09:38] <Ad0> yeah just add it there?
[09:38] <Ad0> the file doesn't exist though
[09:38] <Ad0> thanks TheSheep
[09:38] <TheSheep> it should exists and have an explanation inside
[09:38] <TheSheep> note that it's run as root
[09:39] <Ad0> yeah
[09:39] <Ad0> you're right
[09:41] <_sebastian1> well I did a restart and then I ended up with a blank screen
[09:41] <_sebastian1> I added vga=792 to the boot option - still no X
[09:42] <favro> _sebastian1: you had it then it went?
 yipee X is up .... BUT keybord does not work? will reboot and check again
[09:49] <_sebastian1> OK X is up again and keyboard not working - what can I do??
[09:50] <favro> _sebastian1: using the mouse you "should" be able to browse to /etc/default/console-setup - what's in there?
[09:52] <_sebastian1> well mouse and touchpad don't work either
[09:53] <favro> the direction taken with X is wrong ...
[09:53] <_sebastian1> when I have a look on the console
[09:53] <_sebastian1> is is loading 105 keyb with us layout
[09:53] <favro> and yet the keyboard doesn't work?
[09:54] <_sebastian1> no
[09:54] <favro> TheSheep: you busy?
[09:54] <_sebastian1> well I can switch to ctr+alt+F1 to the root console and back to F6 but in X nothing works
[09:55] <favro> it is F7 to get back to X
[09:55] <_sebastian1> yes I meant that
[09:55] <favro> k :)
[09:56] <favro> so it is purely an X config that is borked
[09:56] <TheSheep> _sebastian1: anything special about that keyboard? usb or ps/2?
[09:56] <_sebastian1> not that I can think of - a notebook kb, so not all keys
[09:58] <TheSheep> the release notes for 8.10 say:
[09:58] <TheSheep> The keyboard settings now come from /etc/default/console-setup; to change them please use sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup. After that, HAL and X need to be restarted (e.g., by rebooting your system).
[09:58] <TheSheep> _sebastian1: is it a toshiba?
[09:59] <TheSheep> _sebastian1: do you use an xmodmap file?
[09:59] <favro> time for me to get around to reading some release notes...
[09:59] <TheSheep> favro: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/810
[09:59] <favro> thnx :)
[10:00] <favro> _sebastian1: speak up please :)
[10:02] <favro> sorry for troubling you TheSheep ...
[10:03] <_sebastian1> no plain install no modifications so far
[10:03] <favro> :)
[10:03] <favro> _sebastian1: is it a toshiba lappy?
[10:04] <TheSheep> favro: that's what I'm here for :)
[10:04] <TheSheep> _sebastian1: I wonder whether 'lsusb' lists the keyboard
[10:04] <_sebastian1> no a Dell latitude V700, quite old P3, 384 ram
[10:06] <_sebastian1> no USB keyb - only hub and mouse
[10:06] <TheSheep> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-912912.html
[10:06] <TheSheep> I found this
[10:07] <_sebastian1> I cant see anything in the release notes what could affect this notebook
[10:13] <TheSheep> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=522513 <-- another one
[10:15] <_sebastian1> well I can't even log into X
[10:16] <_sebastian1> where could I find these slow keys settings?
[10:16] <TheSheep> _sebastian1: I think that guy used kubuntu
[10:17] <TheSheep> _sebastian1: btw, if it doesn't even work at login screen, then it's something basic enough to also ask on #ubuntu
[10:17] <TheSheep> _sebastian1: maybe they will know
[10:17] <_sebastian1> yes thats how I read it
[10:17] <_sebastian1> OK I will check there as well
[10:18] <TheSheep> _sebastian1: you could also check the logs in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:24] <Ad0> xubuntu is very fast and light, but I have no idea how to use my remote with it
[10:25] <Ad0> I can make the remote control work but I have to use the remote to launch 2 apps
[10:26] <TheSheep> Ad0: you can't just bind them to keys in keyboard settings?
[10:26] <TheSheep> Ad0: or are the remote events not received as keypresses?
[10:27]  * TheSheep <-- layman
[10:28] <_sebastian1> I will check the log file
[10:30] <Ad0> TheSheep: well
[10:30] <Ad0> gdm claims my remote
[10:30] <Ad0> so I can't use it for anything else unless I tell hal to ignore it
[10:30] <Ad0> then lirc works etc
[10:30] <Ad0> what I am looking for is an alternative to irexec
[10:31] <TheSheep> Ad0: that's over my head
[10:31] <Ad0> hehe ok
[10:32] <favro> Ad0: there might be something about the\at in the mythbuntus forums or similar
[10:32] <favro> *that
[10:35] <_sebastian1> OK I am giving up - will get hardy and try with that
[10:35] <_sebastian1> favro, TheSheep: thanks a lot for your help
[10:36] <favro> sorry it gave so much trouble _sebastian1
[10:37] <_sebastian1> well it is not your fault - and I have no idea what I can do more, goes a bit beyond my knowledge...
[10:37] <_sebastian1> I was hoping for a quick and painless upgrade... :-\
[10:38] <favro> a quick and easy upgrade seems to be a 50/50 thing...
[10:44] <Ad0> yeah favro
[10:44] <Ad0> well I made hal ignore my remote so I can use lirc on it
[10:44] <Ad0> which is fine now!
[10:44] <Ad0> what I do need is a linux app that works like irexec but has a nice UI
[10:44] <Ad0> there should be a nice UI that is like a dashboard or something
[10:45] <Ad0> you know, like frontrow
[10:45] <favro> Ad0: I've never seen one - but haven't been looking
[10:48] <Ad0> ok
[10:48] <Ad0> thanks :)
[10:50] <favro> np :)
[11:46] <sklivvz> hello
[11:47] <sklivvz> i have a problem when running a kde session under xubuntu
[11:48] <sklivvz> gconfd does not get started and all my gtk apps look like carp
[11:49] <favro> carps are ugly but why use a kde session?
[11:50] <sklivvz> well... i just want to try it out
[11:50] <sklivvz> whatever...
[11:51] <sklivvz> in any case, even if I start gconfd with "sudo gconftool-2 --spawn"
[11:51] <favro> you need a qt-gtk engine for gtk under kde
[11:51] <sklivvz> ok
[11:54] <sklivvz> the package "gtk-qt-engine" would do right?
[11:56] <favro> that's the one :)
[11:57] <sklivvz> thanks a million favro
[11:57] <sklivvz> :)
[11:57] <favro> np :)
[13:07] <tom____> any ideas why i have rendering errors like these? : http://xs233.xs.to/xs233/08440/2008-11-02-124147_1024x768_scrot109.png
[13:14] <molok> hi *
[13:15] <molok> I just installed xubuntu on my mom's machine, the only minor issue I have is that networkmanager asks to unlock the keyring at startup
[13:16] <molok> it looks like this is a common issue, but I didn't find any good solution
[13:21] <sklivvz> molok, it also happens on /my/ computer
[13:21] <molok> it also sucks
[13:21] <molok> :D
[13:22] <molok> I mean, it's annoying, considering I have set up autologin to avoid passwords to type
[13:22] <sklivvz> well nm-applet is problematic in any case... i have to restart it from time to time because it hangs my wifi connection
[14:16] <coquinho> Hallo
[14:16] <coquinho> hab ein problem mit meinem system nachdem ich laut wiki von kubuntu auf xubuntu wechseln wollte gibt mir Grub Fehler 17 aus....hilfe?
[14:18] <vidd> !german
[14:18] <vidd> i think he was speaking german =\
[14:18] <coquinho> sorry
[14:18] <vidd> no problem
[14:18] <coquinho> i thought i was in a german channel
[14:18] <vidd> hehe
[14:19] <vidd> if you know english, i might be able to help
[14:19] <coquinho> anyway my problem is i tried to change from kubuntu to xubuntu now my system is not booting anymore grub is giving an error 17
[14:20] <vidd> let me look up that error
[14:21] <vidd> you have an external hdd?
[14:22] <vidd> coquinho, you have a USB hard drive?
[14:22] <coquinho> vidd: right now i have one but havent before....i am online through kanotix and tried to save my data to an external hdd....
[14:23] <vidd> yes.... coquinho unplug that USB drive and reboot
[14:23] <vidd> if this fixes your issue, set your system bios to ignore usb hard drives, or set them to boot later than internall hard drive
[14:27] <coquinho> vidd: doesnt fix the issue
[14:27] <vidd> ok....
[14:28] <vidd> have you made any other changes? added any hard ware?
[14:28] <vidd> error 17 is 95% caused by grub looking at the wrong partition for the boot order
[14:29] <coquinho> vidd: ok maybe i can change that manually in the menu.lst?
[14:29] <vidd> can you pastebin your menu.list and your fstab
[14:29] <coquinho> in this channel?
[14:30] <vidd> !pastebin
[14:31] <coquinho> menu.lst: http://paste.ubuntu.com/66248/plain/
[14:33] <coquinho> fsatb: http://paste.ubuntu.com/66249/plain/
[14:33] <coquinho> but its the kanotix fstab i think?
[14:33] <GreedyB> Anyone here know how to edit the right click menu?? not the one thats associated with the menu editor
[14:39] <vidd> coquinho, from what i see, your grub is looking for your linux boot stuff on hd0,0
[14:39] <vidd> and i see that you have 2 physical hard drives....
[14:40] <coquinho> i have an usb harddrive on actually but that wasnt when installing the system
[14:41] <coquinho> which means?
[14:41] <vidd> coquinho, right....and i believe that is what is causing the issue....
[14:42] <coquinho> ok but its not boot when i have it disconnected as well
[14:42] <coquinho> tried that before
[14:42] <vidd> your grub is looking on hd0,0 for the boot stuff
[14:42] <coquinho> if there is only one on its got to be the one
[14:42] <vidd> i beleive your boot stuff is on hd0,1
[14:42] <vidd> or hd1,0
[14:43] <coquinho> ok that is only for physical harddrives or for partitions as well?
[14:43] <vidd> so....let edit menu.lst and chnage hd0,0 to hd0,1
[14:43] <vidd> first number is hard drive, second number is partition
[14:44] <vidd> if you get Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition this tells us we are on the right track
[14:51] <vidd> coquinho, any luck?
[15:16] <whileimhere>  Morning. I am using XUbuntu 7.10 and would like to get the newest GIMP and Inkscape without having to upgrade my whole system. The reason I do not want to upgrade is simple: The wiresless stops working when I upgrade or install a new fresh version above 7.10. Is there a way to get the new versions of these programs? I have tried building from source but run into a ton of dependency issues.
[15:18] <TheSheep> whileimhere: try getdeb.net
[15:19] <whileimhere> okay thank you.
[15:19] <vidd> whileimhere, are you using a broadcom card?
[15:22] <whileimhere> Uh how can I tell?
[15:23] <whileimhere> I am not sure really.
[15:23] <whileimhere> its a wireless card on my laptop
[15:23] <whileimhere> whats the terminal command to look at what chipset it is?
[15:23] <vidd> whileimhere, lspci will tell you
[15:25] <whileimhere> RaLink RT2500 802.11g Cardbus/mini-PCI (rev-01)
[15:27] <vidd> hrm...that should work without issue on later versions
[15:28] <GreedyB> Anyone here know how to edit the right click menu?? not the one thats associated with the menu editor
[15:28] <vidd> did you install it with ndiswrapper?
[15:28] <vidd> GreedyB, what exactly you want to do with the right-click menu?
[15:28] <whileimhere> vidd: No I just did the upgrades from 7.10 and tried to also install fresh via CD but any way I do it 7.10 has a good connect speed and neve drops the other versions all have those issues.
[15:29] <vidd> whileimhere, ok....
[15:29] <GreedyB> vidd: I'm trying to figure out what controls that whole function so I can edit it
[15:30] <vidd> GreedyB, i will ask again....what kind of editing do you want to do?
[15:30] <vidd> so i can tell if it is in xorg, or in the WM, or in the DM
[15:30] <vidd> all 3 control what is in the right click menu
[15:30] <vidd> also, right-click on desktop?
[15:31] <GreedyB> vidd: ahh I'm sorry I use xfce at work but its not Xubuntu like home and I'm trying to do the same thing as my Xubuntu install
[15:31] <vidd> right-click on item?
[15:31] <whileimhere> Is there really that big of a difference in GIMP 2.4 and 2.6 , anyone know?
[15:31] <GreedyB> vidd: correct the menu thats like desktop settings or new folder etc
[15:32] <vidd> GreedyB, what WM is the work machine using?
[15:32] <vidd> ok...never mind
[15:33] <vidd> welcome back
[15:33] <vidd> GreedyB, what WM is the work machine using?
[15:33] <GreedyB> oops
[15:33] <GreedyB> :P
[15:33] <GreedyB> the xfwm4
[15:33] <vidd> no...that is the Dm (desktop manager)
[15:34] <vidd> i want to know the window manager
[15:34] <GreedyB> vidd: 1 sec lol
[15:35] <GreedyB> vidd: wow I should know this lol
[15:36] <GreedyB> vidd: wouldnt it be xfce?
[15:36] <vidd> GreedyB, no...that is the desktop manager....
[15:37] <GreedyB> so xfwm4 and xfce are the same thing?
[15:37] <vidd> in xubuntu, you have xorg that makes x work....
[15:37] <vidd> you have GDM loaded on top of it....
[15:38] <GreedyB> vidd: 1 sec
[15:38] <vidd> and then xfce4 on top of that
[15:39] <GreedyB> Xorg/X11
[15:39] <vidd> GreedyB, pastebin me the output of : cd /etc/init.d/ && ls -al
[15:40] <vidd> !pastebin
[15:41] <vidd> GreedyB, this will answer my question
[15:41] <GreedyB> vidd: http://pastebin.com/m14810254
[15:42] <vidd> and is this the work machine or the xubuntu machine?
[15:42] <GreedyB> vidd: work
[15:43] <vidd> i ask because i see it has slim desktop manager and Gnome Desktop manager installed
[15:43] <Ad0> scrollkeeper is broken
[15:43] <vidd> i would be interested in knowing which is the default
[15:44] <GreedyB> vidd: I installed GDM initially and switched to slim
[15:44] <vidd> ic
[15:44] <vidd> slim does not support the same robust menus as gdm does
[15:45] <GreedyB> vidd: I see currently right click is the xfce menu which stinks.. so if I switch back to GDM I'd be able to edit the right click menu
[15:45] <vidd> if you did "sudo /etc/init.d/slim stop && sudo /etc/init.dgdm start you might get the menus you want
[15:45] <vidd> GreedyB, you might not even NEED to edit them
[15:46] <GreedyB> vidd: yeah I don't really need to edit them I just want them :)
[15:46] <vidd> try it....let me know
[15:46] <vidd> =]
[15:49] <GreedyB> vidd: no right click menu
[15:50] <vidd> hrm
[15:50] <GreedyB> vidd: I thought GDM/SLIM were only login screens weird
[15:50] <vidd> GreedyB, no
[15:51] <vidd> GreedyB, you said that the work machine was not *buntu....what is it?
[15:51] <GreedyB> vidd: correct but its using xfce
[15:52] <vidd> GreedyB, so what is it ?
[15:52] <GreedyB> vidd: arch
[15:52] <vidd> I ask, because if it was *buntu, simply installing xubuntu-settings would fix this
[15:53] <vidd> you might try downloading the deb
[15:53] <vidd> *xubuntu-default-settings
[15:53] <GreedyB> vidd: gotcha i'll read up on xubuntu-default-settings
[15:54] <vidd> let me verify that is  the right name
[15:55] <vidd> xubuntu-default-settings
[15:56] <vidd> under heading: Miscilanious graphical (universe)
[15:56] <vidd> looks like no dependancy issues
[15:59] <GreedyB> vidd: I'll just read up on what it does and see if I can replicate it
[15:59] <GreedyB> vidd: thank you
[16:05] <cybernoutles> hello there
[16:06] <cybernoutles> i would like to auto start olge instead of totem, how do i set it up to do this?
[16:06] <cybernoutles> for dvd playback
[16:06] <cybernoutles> ogle
[16:06] <cybernoutles> :P
[16:08] <vidd> cybernoutles, you want to remove totem all together?
[16:08] <cybernoutles> no , because it still usefull for firefox playback
[16:09] <cybernoutles> its just to slow for dvd
[16:09] <cybernoutles> on this machine
[16:09] <cybernoutles> so i need to autostart ogle for dvd playback
[16:09] <vidd> cybernoutles, then right-click the file....
[16:09] <vidd> choose open with....
[16:09] <vidd> place the check on "set default (or something similar)
[16:12] <cybernoutles> one moment testing
[16:12] <cybernoutles> if it works
[16:12] <cybernoutles> no , did not do it
[16:13] <cybernoutles> i guess it has to do with something else, its when i put in an dvd, it promts totem to play it
[16:13] <cybernoutles> and yes i can choose to play the vob files with ogle, like you told me
[16:14] <cybernoutles> but on auto start of the dvd it kicks in to totem
[16:15] <vidd> cybernoutles, i removed totem completely on my system
[16:16] <vidd> let firefox prompt you to add back the stuff you need
[16:16] <cybernoutles> its an option, but that loses the plugins in firefox as well
[16:16] <vidd> but i found that libxine1-ffmpg was all i needed
[16:18]  * vidd is not a fan of gsteamer
[16:19] <cybernoutles> yes i see
[16:19] <cybernoutles> :P
[16:19] <vidd> xine is better in my opinion
[16:20] <vidd> and on my light-wieght machines, the smaller footprint and resource requirement of xine are noticable
[16:21] <cybernoutles> ogle does run fine on this pentium 3 600 mhz with 265 ram
[16:21] <cybernoutles> thats why i like to set it as default...:)
[16:26] <cybernoutles> well i will just have to klick it away..
[16:30] <slow-motion> hi
[16:35] <vidd> hello slow-motion '
[16:35] <slow-motion> hi vidd
[16:36] <vidd> slow-motion, saying "hi" is usually a prelude to asking for help....need a question answered?
[16:36] <slow-motion> not really *g*
[16:37] <slow-motion> but i have two latex editors to choose one
[16:37] <slow-motion> lyx and texmaker
[16:37] <vidd> outside my expertise =]
[16:37] <slow-motion> ok
[16:38]  * vidd doesnt even know what latex is used for....though he's heard of ppl talking about it
[16:39] <slow-motion> lyx is wysiwyg, but needs some things installed to get the full power. texmaker shows the source
[16:40]  * vidd 's eyes glaze over....
[16:40] <orkun> hllo
[16:40] <orkun> i'm from turkey
[16:41] <vidd> for some reason, holding the left arrow key will not repeatedly move the cursor to the left....anyone else notice this?
[16:41] <vidd> marhaba orkun
[16:41] <orkun> merhaba
[16:41] <orkun> nas0131ls0131n
[16:41] <vidd> orkun, my turkish is VERY limited
[16:41] <orkun> how are you
[16:41] <orkun> what
[16:42] <vidd> eeim sin nacil
[16:42] <orkun> what is your name
[16:42] <orkun> ?
[16:44] <TheSheep> !tk
[16:45] <TheSheep> !tr | orkun
[16:45] <TheSheep> here :)
[16:46] <orkun> heyyyyyyyyyy
[16:46] <orkun> my turkey boy
[16:46] <orkun> male
[16:46] <orkun> my messenger
[16:46] <orkun><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:46] <orkun> k
[16:46] <orkun> ok
[16:47] <vidd> orkun, this is a support chanel, not a social room
[16:47] <orkun> gril
[16:47] <orkun> female
[16:47] <orkun> firiend
[16:47] <orkun> ok
[16:47] <orkun> gril
[16:49] <dcolish> can someone ban orkun, thats really annoying
[16:52] <vidd> dcolish, has he been here b4?
[16:52] <dcolish> no sure
[16:52] <dcolish> not sure
[17:08] <albi> how can I set higher resolution on xfce?
[17:09] <albi> I have 1152x864, but I want 1280x1024
[17:12] <dcolish> you can setup your xorg, or try running grandr. grandr is a gui thing so it might be more comfortable for you. However you'll need to reset the resolution each time you boot. That can be done with xrandr scripts
[17:12] <dcolish> i think there is also a display manager under settings, hold
[17:13] <dcolish> yeah just go to settings manager and click on display. it's going to list all the supported resolutions
[17:13] <vidd> well...all the resolutions xorg has available
[17:14] <dcolish> right
[17:14] <albi> display manager does not show 1280x1024
[17:14] <dcolish> there could be driver issues or xorg config problems preventing the higher resolutions from showing.
[17:14] <dcolish> what kind of video card do you have?
[17:14] <albi> it shows only smaller resolutions
[17:15] <dcolish> also, do you know what the max resolution of your monitor is?
[17:15] <albi> i have msi wind PC, some intel card
[17:15] <albi> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[17:16] <dcolish> yeah you're max res should be 1024x600 according to manufacture spec
[17:16] <albi> i looked at xorg.conf but i is nearly empty
[17:16] <albi> no I have PC, not netbook!
[17:17] <dcolish> oh, this one? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSI_Wind_PC
[17:18] <albi> o
[17:18] <albi> no
[17:18] <dcolish> ah found it, you have an Integrated Intel® GMA950 graphics core
[17:20] <albi> sorry, Germany link, but shows pc: http://www.tomshardware.com/de/Wind-PC2713-Atom-MSI,news-241550.html
[17:20] <vidd> none of this matters....
[17:21] <vidd> the chipset is the Intel 82945G/GZ
[17:21] <albi> here is my xorg.conf:
[17:21] <dcolish> please use pastebin
[17:22] <dcolish> http://paste.ubuntu.com
[17:22] <albi> it is only 10 lines
[17:22] <albi> Section "Device"
[17:22] <albi>         Identifier      "Configured Video Device"
[17:22] <albi> EndSection
[17:22] <albi> Section "Monitor"
[17:22] <albi>         Identifier      "Configured Monitor"
[17:22] <albi> EndSection
[17:22] <albi> Section "Screen"
[17:22] <albi>         Identifier      "Default Screen"
[17:22] <vidd> in intrepid, xorg no longer sets video modes
[17:22] <albi>         Monitor         "Configured Monitor"
[17:22] <albi>         Device          "Configured Video Device"
[17:22] <albi> EndSection
[17:23] <vidd> !pastebin | albi
[17:23] <dcolish> vidd: what is the process used instead?
[17:23] <albi> i didn't know this will work at all
[17:24] <albi> vidd, how does it work then?
[17:24] <vidd> im not entirely sure how it works....i just know that the monitor and resolutions are auto-detected at boot
[17:24] <albi> now?
[17:24] <albi> yes, but to small :(
[17:24] <dcolish> ok, i suggest running grandr, it will at least give an idea of what video modes are available to the driver
[17:24] <albi> i have 1280x1024 tft
[17:24] <dcolish> the monitor is not always the final determinant of resolution
[17:26] <vidd> albi, you could have a 57"plasma widescreen monitor...but that dont maen your video card could put out the best rolution it vcan display
[17:26] <albi> with kubuntu I was able to set 1280x1024
[17:26] <albi> so it must be possible
[17:27] <dcolish> did you install grandr?
[17:27] <albi> dcolish, and vidd : I know
[17:27] <vidd> i  didnt say it was not possible
[17:27] <albi> ok I try grandr
[17:28] <dcolish> we just need to know more about the video modes available, i suggested grandr because it is easily reversable
[17:31] <albi> vidd, ok
[17:31] <albi> dcolish, grandr shows same resolutions as display manager
[17:31] <albi> i need to add new resolution
[17:32] <vidd> albi, you had kde on this same machine, with the same monitor and had more resolutions available?
[17:34] <albi> yes I did boot kubuntu from cd and changed to 1280x1024
[17:34] <vidd> intrepid or hardy?
[17:34] <albi> hardy
[17:35] <vidd> and what do you have installed here?
[17:35] <albi> xubuntu 8.10
[17:35] <vidd> get the hardy version
[17:35] <vidd> 8.04
[17:35] <albi> i think it was same problem
[17:35] <vidd> you are comparing apples to oranges
[17:36] <albi> on kde I have alot more resolutions to choose
[17:36] <vidd> if you say kubuntu 8.04 shows all these options, then you should install xubuntu 8.04 to see if you can get those same resolutions....
[17:37] <vidd> OR run the kubuntu 8.10 live cd and see if you still have those options
[17:37] <vidd> albi, on kde AND a different xorg, you had more options
[17:37] <albi> im not shure but I think I did check it and it was same problem
[17:37] <dcolish> so do you have the xserver-xorg-video-intel package installed?
[17:38] <vidd> albi, then install kubuntu
[17:38] <vidd> from the disk that gave you all those options
[17:38] <albi> vidd, I want xfce
[17:38] <vidd> we cant troubleshoot without all the facts
[17:39] <squid0> hi there. is the xubuntu regular x86 cd download a livecd?
[17:39] <vidd> if you do a full install with kubuntu and still have all those options....we can get xubuntu to load all those options
[17:39] <dcolish> your xorg does not identify the intel card as your Device
[17:39] <dcolish> thats going be a problem
[17:40] <dcolish> try this:: dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[17:40] <dcolish> as sudo
[17:40] <dcolish> that will reconfigure your xorg for hihg resolution
[17:40] <dcolish> back up your old one frist
[17:40] <dcolish> first
[17:40] <owen9914> is there any way of formatting a usb drive within xubuntu or do i need to download a programe to do it
[17:41] <albi> i restart xorg
[17:42] <dcolish> owen9914: of course, in all linux its the same. http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-disk-format/
[17:43] <albi> ok same resolution 1152x864
[17:44] <dcolish> is you xorg any different?
[17:44] <albi> xorg.conf looks the same as before
[17:44] <squid0> if I boot with xubuntu desktop cd for x86, will I get a liveCD, and then an option on the desktop to install, similar to kde/gnome?
[17:44] <squid0> (ie. ubuntu/kubuntu)?
[17:44] <dcolish> albi: looks like the auto config isn't working for you
[17:44] <albi> squid0, yes
[17:44] <squid0> albi: ok, thanks. there's an install icon on the desktop?
[17:44] <albi> dcolish, yes, can I do some manual setup?
[17:45] <squid0> ok
[17:45] <dcolish> albi: yup, lets check for the intel drivers: do lspci | grep intel
[17:46] <dcolish> if nothing shows up try, lspci | grep vieo
[17:46] <dcolish> sorry thats lsmod
[17:46] <dcolish> not lspci
[17:47] <dcolish> you should see the video card listed there, maybe with other devices
[17:47] <albi> I have lots of intel in lspci
[17:48] <dcolish> right thats why I corrected myself, use lsmod instead
[17:48] <owen9914> sorry im new to linux so you type mkfs.vfat (device name) to format the drive with fat file system.
[17:48] <owen9914> is that right?
[17:48] <dcolish> owen9914: correct, i think there are flags for 16bit or 32bit
[17:48] <albi> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[17:48] <albi> ICH7 Family
[17:49] <dcolish> thats the pci dump, where is the lsmod | grep intel?
[17:49] <albi> owen9914, or use qtparted
[17:50] <dcolish> parted is not as powerful as mkfs.* or fdisk
[17:50] <albi> lsmod | grep -i intel
[17:50] <albi> snd_hda_intel         381360  2
[17:50] <albi> snd_pcm                83332  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm_oss
[17:50] <albi> snd                    63268  13 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device
[17:50] <albi> snd_page_alloc         16264  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
[17:50] <albi> intel_agp              34116  1
[17:50] <albi> agpgart                42184  3 drm,intel_agp
[17:50] <dcolish> albi: you need to stop doing multi line pastes
[17:50] <vidd> somebody kick albi for pasteing in channel!!
[17:50] <dcolish> !pastebin | albi
[17:51] <owen9914> thanks dcolish, albi for the help.
[17:51] <dcolish> owen9914: no prob, did it work out for ya?
[17:51] <owen9914> yeah it did.
[17:51] <dcolish> cool
[17:52] <albi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/66351/plain/
[17:53] <albi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/66354/plain/
[17:56] <albi> kicked?
[17:57] <albi> .
[17:58] <dcolish> ok you need to make sure that the driver is being used in the xorg conf file. here are two links. http://intellinuxgraphics.org/install.html, http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2#xorg.conf
[17:59] <dcolish> you will not need to rebuild the drivers, but there is helpful information on how to setup your xorg on the intellinuxgraphics site
[18:00] <dcolish> the other site will help you configure for xrandr. The most important thing is that you're not telling xorg about the intel device in your config
[18:06] <evilbug> i did a  fresh install of xubuntu intrepid and i have the ati/amd graphics driver in the Hardware Drivers list, but when i click Activate nothing happens.
[18:09] <evilbug> nevermind. it installed now, the 12th time i've clicked it.
[18:12] <vidd> wow...the "auto-detect keyboard" finally works correctly
[18:12] <vidd> too bad it takes forever to auto-select!
[18:13] <alejandro> how do I install other window manager in xubuntu 8.10 I hate the looking of xfce
[18:14] <dcolish> what are you looking for?
[18:14] <vidd> alejandro, what window manager do you want?
[18:14] <CarlFK> sudo apt-get build-dep gqcam =  big spew of stuff like /var/lib/scrollkeeper/C/scrollkeeper_extended_cl.xml:2178: parser error : Extra content at the end of the document     <sect categorycode="GNOMEPreferences">
[18:15] <vidd> CarlFK, ??
[18:15] <CarlFK> but it worked ok on a gnome box, and also a u-server box (so no WM at all)
[18:15] <alejandro> I think that one that's more simpler maybe in appearance
[18:15] <CarlFK> everything in my ssh buffer: http://dpaste.com/88322/
[18:15] <alejandro> I am used to fluxbox
[18:15] <dcolish> CarlFK: we have no clue what you're looking for
[18:15] <vidd> alejandro, so why not install flubuntu?
[18:15] <dcolish> alejandro: fluxbox is available via apt
[18:16] <CarlFK> dcolish: heh - I am looking or a clue :) - trying to figure out what happened
[18:17] <vidd> CarlFK, so are we....
[18:17] <vidd> what did you want to happen, and what were your actual results?
[18:17] <CarlFK> guessing it is a bug in something, but the same apt-get on the same box, and 2 others worked fine
[18:17] <dcolish> 2 other builds?
[18:18] <CarlFK> vidd: want: no errors.  actual: lots of errors http://dpaste.com/88322/
[18:18] <vidd> so you are trying to apt-get install gqcam?
[18:18] <CarlFK> no.
[18:18] <vidd> what are you trying to do?
[18:18] <dcolish> CarlFK: try to find <tocsec"> in your scrollkeeper_extened_cl.xml file
[18:18] <dcolish> its got a syntax  error
[18:19] <dcolish> if you have a good xml editor you'll see it more easily. but a / in vim should work too
[18:19] <alejandro> ok
[18:19] <dcolish> i guess i dont really understand why you're trying to build a deb of that package
[18:20] <CarlFK> dcolish: to enable debug symbols
[18:20] <dcolish> CarlFK: check the stack dump then. you're debug info is in the first line
[18:21] <CarlFK> what got me here was trying to track down a memory leak in the v4l2 api example... that journey lead me to http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10597
[18:21] <dcolish> so you're not able to repro?
[18:21] <CarlFK> I figured maybe adding a gdb bt would help...
[18:21] <CarlFK> I was able to repot it
[18:22] <CarlFK> er, able to repo http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10597
[18:22] <dcolish> yeah a bt always helps, did you attempt to enable core dumps via ulimit -c unlimited
[18:23] <CarlFK> nope - hang on a sec.  back to <tocsec">To Add Files to an Archive
[18:23] <dcolish> yeah the " in the xml is going to def mess up the parse
[18:23] <CarlFK> found that in  /var/lib/scrollkeeper/C/scrollkeeper_extended_cl.xml - is that worth reporting?
[18:23] <dcolish> yes
[18:23] <CarlFK> against what package?
[18:23] <dcolish> but make sure thats the complete fix.
[18:24] <dcolish> look for what package owns that file
[18:25] <dcolish> i'm pretty sure there is a cli method, but i usually google it
[18:26] <CarlFK> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=scrollkeeper_extended_cl.xml&mode=exactfilename&suite=intrepid&arch=any
[18:26] <CarlFK> "    You have searched for files named scrollkeeper_extended_cl.xml in suite intrepid, all sections, and all architectures.    Sorry, your search gave no results   "
[18:26] <dcolish> dpkg --search <path to file>
[18:27] <CarlFK> dpkg: *scrollkeeper_extended_cl.xml* not found.
[18:27] <dcolish> you put in the --search right?
[18:27] <dcolish> and the full path
[18:27] <CarlFK> juser@dhcp57:~/vga2usb/v4l.org/examples/gqcam$ dpkg --search  scrollkeeper_extended_cl.xml
[18:27] <CarlFK> oh, not full path...
[18:28] <dcolish> k
[18:28] <CarlFK> dpkg: /var/lib/scrollkeeper/C/scrollkeeper_extended_cl.xml not found.
[18:29] <dcolish> ok try dlocate -s, its pretty much the same idea
[18:29] <dcolish> did you use a deb to install?
[18:30] <CarlFK> install what?  probably - I did a clean install of xubuntu, and then a few apt-gets - no make/install stuff
[18:31] <CarlFK> $ dlocate -s /var/lib/scrollkeeper/C/scrollkeeper_extended_cl.xml "Package /var/lib/scrollkeeper/C/scrollkeeper_extended_cl.xml does not exist."
[18:32] <dcolish> sorry, dlocate -S, capital S
[18:33] <CarlFK> gah: /usr/bin/locate.findutils: `/var/lib/dlocate/dlocatedb': No such file or directory
[18:33] <dcolish> looks like the db file was not created yet
[18:34] <CarlFK> I did just install dlocate to do this - guessing that is what glknots is doing?
[18:34] <vidd> what's he actually trying to do?
[18:34] <CarlFK> er, I bet that's the screen saver ..
[18:35] <dcolish> one last thing we can try, apt-file search <file_name>...
[18:35] <dcolish> vidd: i'm not totally sure
[18:35] <CarlFK> vidd: currently trying to report a bug.  which I found when trying to add to another bug report, which I found trying to figure out where to report a 3rd and 4th bug
[18:37] <CarlFK> http://www.linuxtv.org/downloads/video4linux/API/V4L2_API/v4l2spec/capture.c has a memory leak.  not sure where to report...
[18:39] <vidd> ic
[18:39] <vidd> (well....not really...but ok)
[18:39] <CarlFK> heh - ka boom: sudo apt-get install apt-file = same xml error :)
[18:40] <CarlFK> but it did seem to install, so forging ahead
[18:42] <CarlFK>  apt-file search scrollkeeper_extended_cl.xml (and with the /var/.. path) didn't return anything
[18:43] <CarlFK> I am going to ignore this one for now
[18:45] <vidd> wb GreedyB
[18:45] <CarlFK> there is a chance it is a hardware issue with the box.  memtest for 24 hours: passed.  maxtor HD checker for a few hours: passed.  but every so often I see HD error stuff in dmesg
[18:46] <TheSheep> CarlFK: what error exactly?
[18:47] <CarlFK> TheSheep: this best sums it up: $ grep tocsec\" /var/lib/scrollkeeper/C/scrollkeeper_extended_cl.xml
To Add Files to an Archive
[18:47] <CarlFK> the quote is an error
[18:47] <TheSheep> CarlFK: I meant the hdd error
[18:48] <GreedyB> vidd: hey man.. I finnaly gave up lol its way too involved lol
[18:48] <vidd> GreedyB, what was it you wanted b4?
[18:48] <CarlFK> [ 7383.686239]          res 51/84:00:cf:9d:94/00:00:00:00:00/e0 Emask 0x10 (ATA bus error)
[18:48] <GreedyB> vidd: I was trying to get the right click thing working
[18:49] <vidd> why not ask in a archlinux chat room?
[18:49] <CarlFK> TheSheep: http://dpaste.com/88325/
[18:50] <GreedyB> vidd: cause arch doesnt have a default for that type of thing and I use Xubuntu at home
[18:50] <GreedyB> vidd: its all good
[18:52] <TheSheep> CarlFK: no idea
[18:52] <vidd> GreedyB have you checked out the archwiki?
[19:00] <CarlFK> anyone know the valgrind args for just showing there is a memory leak in as few lines as possible
[19:04] <vidd> CarlFK, how do you know there is a memory leak if you dont know how to show it?
[19:04] <vidd> =]
[19:04] <CarlFK> vidd: I can show it in many lines.  trying to make a small summary
[19:05] <CarlFK> I think I can just pluck this line: ==17153== malloc/free: in use at exit: 2,457,632 bytes in 5 blocks.
[19:05] <vidd> CarlFK, get the proof with the many lines....and copy/paste into your bug report
[19:05] <vidd> you will never get yelled at for too much data
[19:06] <vidd> if everyone had to beat their head against the wall like this just to report a bug, then there would be no bug reports ever made
[19:06] <CarlFK> cept I don't know where to post, so I am sending emails with "where do I post this?"
[19:07] <vidd> what app has the leak?
[19:07] <CarlFK> http://www.linuxtv.org/downloads/video4linux/API/V4L2_API/  " Also a complete  video capture example, source is capture.c."
[19:07] <CarlFK> the official spec :/
[19:08] <vidd> so report it there
[19:08] <CarlFK> where?
[19:08] <vidd> what app did you download?
[19:09] <CarlFK> capture.c
[19:09] <vidd> ok...so report it against capture.c
[19:09] <CarlFK> who's on first?
[19:09] <CarlFK> where?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ ?
[19:10] <vidd> no
[19:10] <vidd> its a video4linux issue, not ubuntu issue
[19:11] <vidd> if you apt-get installed something, THEN you would post a bug on launchpad
[19:11] <CarlFK> right
[19:11] <CarlFK> I am having no problem finding places not to report it :)
[19:11] <CarlFK> best I have found so far is http://bugzilla.kernel.org
[19:11] <CarlFK> but that seems odd
[19:12] <CarlFK> the plan was to find somewhere to post it, then email the author with a link
[19:13] <CarlFK> seemed more polite/effective than just sending all the details to the author
[19:16] <vidd> CarlFK, so what exactly are you trying to do? web cam? tv tuner card?
[19:16] <CarlFK> the very top of this is a vga capture device
[19:16] <vidd> i understand that
[19:17] <vidd> which KIND of video capture device?
[19:17] <CarlFK> not video... vga
[19:17] <CarlFK> see item 1 of http://chipy.org/V4l2forPyCon
[19:19] <vidd> so which side is having the leak? input or output?
[19:20] <vidd> im assuming you are trying display video output from one system inside a window from another
[19:20] <CarlFK> no.
[19:21] <CarlFK> capture.c does not display - it just reads and discards
[19:21] <vidd> so your just pumping output directly to a second monitor?
[19:22] <CarlFK> no.  record video to a file
[19:22] <vidd> then why are you using item 1 on http://chipy.org/V4l2forPyCon in the first place?
[19:23] <vidd> i really dont understand what your trying to do
[19:24] <CarlFK> becaues that is what converts the vga signal into a stream of bytes I can save
[19:25] <vidd> you would most likely be better off getting an answer to your "where should i post this" question in the video4linux chat room
[19:25] <CarlFK> done that.
[19:25] <CarlFK> I am here tying to report a bug I got with apt-get...
[19:25] <vidd> if they cant answer it....what would make you think a support room that has nothing to do with that project would know?
[19:26] <vidd> wel...wtf????
[19:26] <vidd> what is the issue you got with apt-get?
[19:26] <CarlFK> I never figured that out.  wrote it off to bad hardware
[19:27] <CarlFK> best I got is
[19:27] <vidd> what did you type and what was the output?
[19:27] <CarlFK> sudo apt-get --assume-yes --force-yes build-dep gqcam; output: http://dpaste.com/88322/
[19:27] <vidd> apt-get wont fail from bad hardware
[19:29]  * dcolish just completed ibex update, xorg broke but easy to fix
[19:29] <vidd> CarlFK, so did you actually install the app?
[19:31] <CarlFK> vidd: I think so.  I haven't actually gotten to building - trying to find the env var to enable debug symbols
[19:31] <vidd> CarlFK, you may want to apt-get remove --purge gqcam && sudo apt-get install gqcam
[19:32] <vidd> this way, if it fails to install, there will be useful data to post a bug on launchpad against that app
[19:32] <vidd> apt-get remove --purge removes the file and purges configuration data
[19:33] <vidd> time for my smoke break...be back in like 10 minutes
[19:33] <CarlFK> here is an example of what I am trying to do: http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/Oct30/a/old/test3.mpg
[19:33] <CarlFK> 3mb
[19:46] <burim1> hello
[19:47] <vidd> hello burim1
[19:47] <burim1> i messed up, tried to get compiz tow work but in the process i ruined something else, the window decorator doesnt work anymore
[19:49] <burim1> can anyone help please?
[19:49] <knome> !wait
[19:49] <knome> >__<
[19:49] <knome> !patience
[19:50] <knome> !helpme
[19:50] <knome> burim1,  ^
[19:50] <burim1> i realize "answers are not always available" wasnt demanding anything, just asking...
[19:50] <burim1> sorry about that, i wont repeat
[19:51] <knome> i'm sure somebody will help you if you can wait
[19:52] <albi> rehi
[19:52] <vidd> burim1, unfortunantly, i dont know anything about compiz, so i dont know how it would mess up your settings for your normal desktop
[19:52] <albi> ok I found solution for xconf problem
[19:53] <vidd> albi, re-hi to you too
[19:53] <vidd> =]
[19:53] <albi> i did start kubuntu 7.10 and copy xorg.conf
[19:53] <burim1> im afraid it was my fault and not compiz's i didnt know how to get it to work so i just typed "compiz" in the terminal and then everything went wrong
[19:54] <vidd> burim1, does hitting [ctrl]+[alt]+[bckspc] (restarting your desktop) fix your issue?
[19:55] <burim1> no i tried restarting
[19:55] <vidd> albi, with kubuntu7.10 installed, did you apt-get install xubuntu-desktop and restart?
[19:55] <vidd> or are you just using the live cd?
[19:56] <vidd> burim1, then im out of suggestions =[
[19:56] <albi> vidd, http://paste.ubuntu.com/66400/plain/
[19:56] <albi> I did copy xorg.xonf to my xubuntu 8.10 works now
[19:57] <albi> i have lots of resolutions, I switch to 1280x1024 and be happy :)
[19:57] <vidd> albi, sweet....
[19:57] <vidd> did you restart and make sure it still worked?
[19:58] <albi> vidd, no install of 7.10, just boot cd and save config
[19:58] <albi> yes I work on it at he moment
[19:58] <vidd> albi, restart machine and make sure that you dont lose those settings
[19:58] <albi> i did copy xorg.conf and reboot
[19:58] <dcolish> albi: fyi, all you really needed was the device and screen section to fix the resolutions. it would be good to take a few minutes and really understand the fix
[20:00] <albi> dcolish,  Ok I try old conf and add device and screen and reboot
[20:00] <dcolish> well hold on a second.
[20:00] <dcolish> albi: you dont have to go back and fix that one
[20:00] <albi> dcolish, will I need monitor too?
[20:00] <dcolish> yes
[20:00] <albi> but I want to know if it wrks
[20:00] <albi> works
[20:01] <dcolish> oh ok, well experiment away
[20:01] <dcolish> grab the monitor, device, and screen sections
[20:01] <dcolish> and make you refer to them correctly in your server layout section
[20:02] <dcolish> also if the bus id for your pci device is wrong it will never work
[20:02] <dcolish> so double check it with lspci, should be the same
[20:03] <dcolish> back this xorg up to
[20:03] <dcolish> too
[20:06] <albi> back and works fine
[20:06] <vidd> albi awesome....file a bug
[20:06] <albi> thanks for help!!!
[20:07] <vidd> albi, PLEASE file a bug
[20:07] <albi> it looks like 7.10 was much better in auto detecting
[20:07] <vidd> 8.04 was the same way....
[20:08] <vidd> but file a bug so (hopefully) JJ will not be this bad
[20:08] <albi> i had problems with my acer aspire one too, and 7.10 worked better than 8.04
[20:08] <albi> never did file a bug, where will I have to do this?
[20:08] <vidd> !bug
[20:08] <albi> ok thanks
[20:09] <vidd> if ppl dont file bug reports, these things will stay forever
[20:09] <vidd> !bug1
[20:09] <vidd> !#1
[20:10] <vidd> !bug 1
[20:10] <vidd> bah! they changed it
[20:17] <owen9914> albi:you said you had a bug on your aspire 1. if you dont mind what was it?
[20:20] <vidd> owen9914, he had a display issue....
[20:20] <vidd> not all available resolutions were showing
[20:22] <owen9914> oh ok. was wondering cause i was planning on installing xubuntu on own aspire 1
[20:25] <dcolish> owen9914: I wouldn't let a resolution issue discourage you
[20:25] <dcolish> it seems that display issues are common and generally easy to fix
[20:27] <Klowner> all the apt repos should have 8.10 out on them by now shouldn't they? My updater tool isn't showing any upgrade available, 'tis odd
[20:28] <owen9914> ok thanks dcolish.
[20:29] <owen9914> ill be installing tonight  so ill message back if i have any problems.
[20:31] <dcolish> sounds good
[20:31] <PopeJo|xubutest> Klowner, zou might have to activate it in your synaptic, settings. preferences
[20:31] <PopeJo|xubutest> distribution
[20:32] <PopeJo|xubutest> there you can choose if only long term support, or all updates should be applied
[20:40] <robert__> how do i remove the desktop icons trash, home, and filesystem?
[20:41] <Odd-rationale> robert__: right-click desktop --> desktop menu
[20:41] <Odd-rationale> there is an option to disable desktop icons...
[20:41] <robert__> Odd-rationale, i don't see that option
[20:41] <Odd-rationale> robert__: i believe it is in the second tab...
[20:42] <Odd-rationale> (i don't have xfce up right now... or i would tell you exactly...)
[20:42] <robert__> Odd-rationale, oh it worked thanks, except for trash. is there a way to remove trash?
[20:42] <robert__> oh i see it
[20:42] <robert__> sorry
[20:42] <Odd-rationale> np :)
[20:43] <robert__> Odd-rationale, thanks man, its all good now
[20:43] <robert__> for a little bit i felt my linux freedom was threatened haha
[20:45] <Klowner> ah, that was it
[21:20] <matt42> are they any desktop effects for xubuntu 8.10
[21:22] <TheSheep> matt42: xubuntu doesn't do desktop effects, except for transparency and shadows
[21:22] <matt42> kk cheers
[21:22] <TheSheep> matt42: you can install compiz to have the effects from ubuntu
[21:23] <matt42> will they work on a ati9250 or FX5500
[21:25] <TheSheep> matt42: no idea, you have to ask the compiz guys
[21:25] <TheSheep> !compiz | matt42
[21:25] <matt42> kk cheers
[21:36] <frenzy42> is anyone else having problems with the upgrade popping up?
[21:36] <frenzy42> i have the alternate install on three computers and neither of them show that an upgrade is avaliable
[21:36] <frenzy42> i'm running 8.04
[21:36] <robert__> in xubuntu can memory devices such as usb connected sd/sd-micro cards be recognized right away?
[21:37] <frenzy42> robert_ yes
[21:37] <robert__> thanks
[21:37] <frenzy42> but you have to go to /media/(thedevice)
[21:37] <frenzy42> it usally does not pop-up on the desktop
[21:38] <ggreer> so what's the standard way for browsing samba shares with xubuntu? I don't see "network" under places and googling gives me lots of stuff from 2006
[21:38] <robert__> frenzy42, where do i find that in the menus?
[21:38] <TheSheep> ggreer: you can use pyneighbourhood or fusesmb
[21:38] <frenzy42> places-file sytem
[21:39] <frenzy42> then /media/thedevice
[21:39] <frenzy42> usally named disk
[21:39] <ggreer> TheSheep: oh, so the guides from 2006 are still correct
[21:39] <robert__> oh ok, thanks
[21:40] <frenzy42> is anyone have problems with the update manager not showing that the new version is avaliable
[21:40] <vidd> frenzy42, that is because hardy is long term support
[21:40] <vidd> you need to open terminal and typ update-manager -d
[21:40] <frenzy42> ok
[21:40] <frenzy42> thanks!
[21:41] <vidd> frenzy42, i asked the same thing the other day!
[21:42] <robert__> i thought about installing compiz and awn, but decided that would defeat the purpose of using xubuntu
[21:46] <slow-motion> n8
[21:47] <robert__> i saw a cool video yesterday on youtube showing that xubuntu on 256mb ram out performs vista on 4G ram
[21:48] <vidd> robert__, as cool as those thing are....you have to look at the applications running as well....
[21:48] <DebDeb> which version of Xubuntu should I get? 8.04.1 or 8.10? I know 8.10 is the newest, but 8.04.1 has LTS. What do people recommend?
[21:48] <robert__> here's the link i saw the video onhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXK5CNRk3NE
[21:49] <vidd> for example, opening up word is much more intensive then opening up mousepad
[21:49] <robert__> i always go newest for the improvements and just put up with the bugs and wait them out
[21:49] <vidd> DebDeb, it all depends on what your looking for
[21:49] <robert__> oops
[21:49] <robert__> wrong link
[21:50] <vidd> robert__, im not really interested
[21:50] <DebDeb> vidd, whatevers best. I do some basic programming, emulation of various machines (such as calc.) etc. I like SPEED and privacy
[21:50] <robert__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JO7pkhPnLE here's the right one
[21:50] <vidd> youtube is not very freindly to my system
[21:50] <vidd> DebDeb, then either one is fine
[21:50] <DebDeb> vidd, yes, privacy and security are important....whats the difference?
[21:51] <vidd> DebDeb, for the most part....the kernel
[21:51] <DebDeb> vidd, hmmm...If i wanted to do some IT work, install a LAMP server - what would be betteR?
[21:51] <DebDeb> I also run R a lot...
[21:51] <vidd> r?
[21:51] <jim30> Having problem with intrepid final after upgrading from 8.04.  Very slow to boot compared to 8.04 LTS.  Any idea why? Thought it was supposed to be faster boot than 8.04. Almost 2 minutes to boot compared to 30 seconds before upgrade.
[21:52] <DebDeb> vidd, an open source statistical environment
[21:52] <Odd-rationale> DebDeb: 8.10 has the encrypted ~/Private directory... if you want privacy...
[21:52] <DebDeb> Odd-rationale, hey hey hey. that sounds nice!
[21:52] <robert__> i'm sure updates will speed it up
[21:52] <DebDeb> vidd, what are the different things they are used for? will 8.10 be have LTS?
[21:52] <vidd> jim30, did you set up the encryption?
[21:52] <Odd-rationale> DebDeb: no lts on 8.10
[21:52] <jim30> yes
[21:53] <DebDeb> Odd-rationale, so does that mean it will become obselete in a year or so?
[21:53] <vidd> DebDeb, lts is long term support
[21:53] <Odd-rationale> DebDeb: 18 months
[21:53] <vidd> jim30, there is your slow-down
[21:53] <Odd-rationale> !lts
[21:53] <DebDeb> Odd-rationale, so 8.10 will become obselete quicker, why did they make two versions?
[21:53] <jim30> Why so much slower than 8.04 with encryption?
[21:54] <Odd-rationale> DebDeb: well. you have to understand ubuntu's release schedule system...
[21:54] <vidd> DebDeb, your LAMP server (if its going to be headless) would be best with 8.04.1
[21:54] <vidd> your desktop would be better with the 8.10
[21:54] <DebDeb> vidd, headless?
[21:54] <Odd-rationale> DebDeb: as you know, ubuntu gets a new release every sixmonths.
[21:54] <vidd> DebDeb, no graphics
[21:54] <DebDeb> vidd, ugh. no graphics, =D
[21:55] <DebDeb> Odd-rationale, didnt know that. continue please
[21:55] <vidd> jim30, i dont know the under-workings
[21:55] <Odd-rationale> DebDeb: for commercial companies, that is too fast to keep up updateing all there machines... so ubuntu implements what are known as LTS Long Term Support
[21:55] <DebDeb> Odd-rationale, ah. thats not too fast for me and updating is not so difficult
[21:56] <Odd-rationale> DebDeb: LTS release is every 2 years, and get support for 3 years. normal releases get release every 6 months and are supported for 18 monts...
[21:56] <vidd> jim30, i just know that on my systems, if i use the encryption, they drag on boot, and if i dont, they fly
[21:56] <DebDeb> Odd-rationale, ahh...so 8.10 is "better" but needs to be updated more frequently?
[21:56] <Odd-rationale> for example, 6.06 was the first LTS. two years later we have 8.04 LTS. the Next Lts is scheduled for 10.04
[21:57] <DebDeb> Odd-rationale, I did find that 8.04 Ubuntu was a little poorer than 7.10...
[21:57] <jim30> Thanks .
[21:57] <Odd-rationale> DebDeb: 8.10 is new and will need to be updated to 9.04 in sixmonths...
[21:57] <robert__> i thought every new one has lts
[21:57] <DebDeb> Odd-rationale, which one is more  likely to be more stable?
[21:57] <Odd-rationale> DebDeb: i agree... imo, 8.10 seemed to fix those issues...
[21:57] <vidd> i also dont activate networking until after i load the desktop....because the system wants to spend forever timing out on network interfaces that are not plugged in or have anything to connect to
[21:57] <Odd-rationale> DebDeb: 8.10 ! :P
[21:58] <DebDeb> Odd-rationale, 8.10 will be more stable? Great. I think that is what i will get.
[21:58] <DebDeb> Odd-rationale, vidd. Thanks for the help. Im fetching Xubuntu now. Cheers!
[21:59] <vidd> robert__, no...just every 2 years
[21:59] <robert__> xubuntu is normally fast, i assume more than a gig of ram wouldn't be used without multiple/certain apps
[21:59] <robert__> oh ok
[21:59] <robert__> so 8.10 doesn't have LTS?
[21:59] <vidd> robert__, that is correct
[21:59] <DebDeb> robert__, lol. I covered this. It will be updated however...its not like no LTS means that you will be hanging
[21:59] <robert__> how long is the support for 8.10, just until 9.4?
[21:59] <favro> !release
[22:00] <robert__> thats what i was thinking
[22:00] <Odd-rationale> thx favro... should have known there was a factoid... :P
[22:00] <favro> :)
[22:00] <DebDeb> So, essentially. The X.10 releases are better for you if you can afford to update more frequently?
[22:01] <vidd> robert__, you will get updates on 8.10 for 18 months (until version 10.04)
[22:01] <Odd-rationale> btw, just as a reminder, Ubuntu OpenWeek starts tomorrow. and will be held at #ubuntu-classroom
[22:01] <Odd-rationale> !openweek
[22:01] <robert__> i just always get the latest release for the improvements and wait out the bugs
[22:01] <Odd-rationale> don't miss out!
[22:02] <knome> hmm. i wonder whether i'm sharing the speak about xubuntu with cody or not
[22:02] <vidd> DebDeb, the "every six months" releases...not just the .10's
[22:02] <robert__> i want to join
[22:02] <gourdcaptain> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-96/+bug/251107/comments/43 - How do I install these bugfix beta video drivers in Xubuntu 8.10?
[22:03] <gourdcaptain> The <IP_ADDRESS> ones.
[22:04] <robert__> are ubuntu and xubuntu comparily about the same in speed withouth the compiz effects, or is it more than just compiz that makes ubuntu noticeably less speedy?
[22:05] <Odd-rationale> robert__: more than compiz... xfce is quite a bit lighter than gnome...
[22:05] <gourdcaptain> robert__: XFCE (xubuntu'
[22:05] <gourdcaptain> s window manager) uses less memory and resources than GNOME.
[22:05] <robert__> whats s?
[22:05] <gourdcaptain> robert__: Accidentally cut that line in two.
[22:06] <vidd> gourdcaptain, you download the .tar.gz, unpack it, and follow the instructions in the readme file
[22:06] <robert__> oh ok
[22:06] <vidd> gourdcaptain, usually, you just copy the entire directory into the /lib/firmware folder, and remove the item from the blacklist
[22:07] <gourdcaptain> robert__: Also, xubuntu comes with a different set of lighweight applications than normal ubuntu.
[22:07] <gourdcaptain> vidd: Remove it from the blacklist?
[22:07] <vidd> yes...just as it tells you to in the instructions on the page you links
[22:08] <gourdcaptain> vidd: No, it just says to remove it from the blacklist. I have no idea how to do that.
[22:08] <vidd> did you download the tar.gz file?
[22:09] <gourdcaptain> vidd: Yes.
[22:09] <vidd> did you unpack it?
[22:09] <gourdcaptain> vidd: Yes.
[22:09] <vidd> did you read the README file?
[22:10] <gourdcaptain> vidd: I can't find a readme file inside.
[22:10] <vidd> i havent finished dl'ing it myself....
[22:10] <gourdcaptain> vidd: Thanks for the help so far, though.
[22:11] <vidd> these usually have an instruction file inside the package telling the user how to install it
[22:12] <vidd> and it looks like i will be going home before it finishes downloading
[22:12] <gourdcaptain> vidd: Theres a shell script inside for x86 systems. Should I run that?
[22:12] <robert__> i'm using totem-xine for dvds and epiphany for music, does xfce have similar lighter apps?
[22:12] <vidd> gourdcaptain, dunno....what other files are in there?
[22:13] <robert__> is switching from firefox to epiphany a good idea?
[22:13] <vidd> robert__, if you want light, drop totem and epiphany and use gxine for both
[22:13] <gourdcaptain> vidd: Theres another shell script for x84-64, a makefile, and  a folder called "Debian.binary" with text files I can't identify,
[22:13] <robert__> i meant rhythmbox not epiphany, sorry
[22:13] <vidd> robert__, epiphany is lighter then firefox, but there are other choices as well
[22:14] <robert__> i know epiphany and firefox are equal on the acid test
[22:14] <vidd> robert__, then definantly kill off rythembox!
[22:14] <robert__> vidd, really?
[22:14] <vidd> robert__, yes....why have 2 different apps when one app can do all?
[22:15] <robert__> oh ok
[22:15] <vidd> gxine is a fine xine-based multimedia player
[22:15] <robert__> i really like the video quality in xine, is gxine pretty similar?
[22:15] <vidd> gxine is a nice overlay of the xine player
[22:16] <Maximilian1st> Hi, how can I tell if there are wrongly two mices detected by the system? I use a notebook and it seems that my xfdesktop is crashing because it is waiting for some mouse input it can't receive for some reason. I use Ubuntu 8.04 with svn Xfce.
[22:16] <knome> what does "video quality in xine" really mean.. doesn't the quality depend on the video :P
[22:16] <robert__> yeah usually
[22:16] <robert__> i'm gonna try out gxine
[22:16] <knome> Maximilian1st, have you thought of moving to 8.10 ?
[22:16] <joerlend_> hey all. I'm trying to install Xubuntu intrepid onto a laptop that had xubuntu hardy. Hardy installed without any problems, but intrepid halts while booting. I haven't tried running a live session though. Is this a known bug?
[22:17] <vidd> knome, im thinking he means "not that crap gsteamer rendering software"
[22:17] <Maximilian1st> knome, not really no
[22:17] <Maximilian1st> would you think that would solve the issue?
[22:17] <knome> "svn xfce" does sound a bit like something might actually go wrong at least :]
[22:18] <Maximilian1st> joerlend_, this is probably too vague for anyone to tell what your problem is.
[22:18] <vidd> Maximilian1st, your running a "prove" system with an "experimental" wm....
[22:18] <joerlend_> maxamillion, that the installer from the desktop cd doesn't work anymore?
[22:18] <joerlend_> Maximilian1st... that was for you.
[22:18] <robert__> joerlend_, did you do a disc integrity check? it'll tell you if there's errors on the disc
[22:18] <joerlend_> I did.
[22:18] <Maximilian1st> knome, I know, though I'm the only one to complain about that. Just, how can I tell what mouse is being discovered by the system, does anyone know?
[22:19] <vidd> joerlend_, if you have a working hardy install....why not just upgrade by running update-manager -d in terminal?
[22:19] <joerlend_> robert__, trying to boot into a live session now, but it takes quite some time. :)
[22:19] <Maximilian1st> joerlend_, I thought it was for me. There is an alternate CD install, you could try that and see how far you go?
[22:19] <joerlend_> vidd, it might come to that.
[22:19] <vidd> joerlend_, how much ram ya got?
[22:19] <knome> !mouse
[22:19] <joerlend_> vidd, it was a clean system, so I thought a clean install might be just as well, but if it doesn't work, then I'll obviously have to try something else.
[22:19] <knome> meh.
[22:20] <joerlend_> vidd, 128MB.
[22:20] <vidd> the live cd will never come up....
[22:20] <vidd> the alt cd will have issues
[22:20] <joerlend_> vidd, the installer doesn't come up.
[22:20] <robert__> gxine takes a long time to install
[22:20] <knome> Maximilian1st, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingMouseDetection <- does this help you?
[22:20] <joerlend_> the live session did come up with hardy, though it took a long time.
[22:20] <vidd> even the mini.iso will be extremely slow
[22:21] <Maximilian1st> knome, I have a look at it...
[22:21] <robert__> i use to use itunes, man did that suck
[22:21] <vidd> joerlend_, you only have 2/3 of the recomended ram for the alt cd installer
[22:22] <joerlend_> vidd, what? That's 64MB isn't it?
[22:22] <knome> ?!
[22:22] <joerlend_> for the alternate install? But I'm not using the alternate install, I'm using the install from the desktop cd.
[22:22] <vidd> the live cd , which runs the entire OS in your ram, cant load
[22:22] <robert__> i use to use windows xp, the min ram was 128
[22:22] <vidd> because it runs out of ram-space
[22:22] <joerlend_> vidd, hardy live works just fine with 128MB.
[22:23] <robert__> live cd does use more though for sure
[22:23] <joerlend_> vidd, why does 810 require so much more than 804?
[22:23] <vidd> once the OS is installed, it will be fine with that little ram
[22:23] <joerlend_> yes, but why does intrepid require so much more resources than hardy?
[22:23] <vidd> i dont know....
[22:23] <vidd> but you dont have the minimum recommended ram for hardy's live cd either
[22:23] <robert__> maybe its because its new and will slim over a few updates? hope....
[22:23] <joerlend_> dammit. Perhaps I'll have to switch to Fedora then?
[22:24] <joerlend_> vidd, oh, but that booted just fine.
[22:24] <robert__> i've never used fedora
[22:24] <vidd> "well officer....i was able to do 80 miles an hour over the speed limit around that corner last time it rained without crashing!"
[22:25] <robert__> ubuntu distros are the only ones i've really liked, well, except kubuntu, i don't like kde
[22:25] <joerlend_> I guess I'll try with the alt install, and if that doesn't work, I'll just have to either upgrade through the net or switch to another distro. Can you recommend another distro for older hardware?
[22:25] <robert__> i'd recommend net upgrade, go have fun, come home, and enjoy
[22:25] <vidd> joerlend_, if hardy is already installed, just upgrade
[22:26] <vidd> save you hours of aggrevation
[22:26] <joerlend_> vidd, but will it work on only 128MB RAM, or has the OS been made so much heavier it can't be used anymore?
[22:26] <knome> joerlend_, it will work.
[22:27] <knome> joerlend_, i also suggest updating with update manager
[22:27] <Maximilian1st> knome, nope, did not help, but... brought me further in that I had a look at the mouse settings in Xfce and it does show two mices. So I had a look at my xorg.conf file (yes, I still have one) and for some obscure reason there are two mices listed in there, will try to delete one and reload X.
[22:27] <vidd> joerlend_, once its installed...it will work fine....
[22:27] <robert__> did the recommended minimum requirements change at all?
[22:27] <vidd> THE INSTALLER is what you are having issues with...and needs so much of your ram
[22:27] <knome> Maximilian1st, ok :)
[22:27] <robert__> i know ubuntu 8.10 fits on a cd-r and 8.4 didn't
[22:27] <joerlend_> I'll try to upgrade then.
[22:27] <robert__> i'm gonna try out gxine
[22:28] <joerlend_> ah, I hate regressions.
[22:28] <knome> i'm gonna try sleeping
[22:28] <knome> good night.
[22:28] <vidd> joerlend_, its not "regression"
[22:28] <vidd> its progress
[22:28] <vidd> and with that...im going home
[22:29] <joerlend_> well. Progress in the wrong direction is a regression, isn't it? :=
[22:30] <robert__> i tried to play a dvd in gxine and this is what it said No input plugin was found.
[22:30] <robert__> Maybe the file does not exist or cannot be accessed, or there is an error in the URL. what gives?
[22:30] <robert__> xine engine failed to start
[22:32] <nycz> anyone here who knows how to install xubuntu 8.10 with safe graphics mode?
[22:32] <nycz> without the alternate cd
[22:33] <vinnl> nycz, what do you mean by safe graphics mode?
[22:34] <nycz> when i installed kubuntu, there was an option on boot where i could choose safe graphic mode or something
[22:34] <robert__> gxine didn't work, it said xine failed to start
[22:34] <vinnl> nycz, IIRC Xubuntu and Kubuntu have about the same boot screen
[22:34] <vinnl> *CD
[22:35] <robert__> i don't like kde
[22:35] <nycz> yup, but xubuntu doesnt have the failsafe graphics-option
[22:35] <nycz> and right now my screen cant handle the normal install
[22:35] <vinnl> nycz, it's still the same screen? It received an update with Xubuntu 8.10 if I'm right
[22:36] <robert__> i wonder why xfce doesn't have LTS?
[22:36] <Maximilian1st> Hey vinnl, is it your translation I'm about to commit?
[22:36] <vinnl> Maximilian1st, might be :)
[22:36] <vinnl> robert__, Xfce or Xubuntu?
[22:36] <nycz> im not sure, i haven't installed 8.04
[22:36] <nycz> but is there any boot option or something?
[22:36] <robert__> xfce
[22:37] <vinnl> nycz, probably, but I wouldn't know off the top of my head. You could check the Kubuntu CD and see what they added
[22:37] <robert__> vinnl, xfce
[22:37] <vinnl> robert__, probably a lack of manpower to maintain that many releases
[22:38] <nycz> vinnl: how do i check that?
[22:38] <vinnl> nycz, I believe you had to press Tab to edit a boot option now
[22:38] <vinnl> It's mentioned on-screen anyway
[22:39] <nycz> ok... hm
[22:40] <robert__> are the GStreamer plugins required for gxine?
[22:40] <vinnl> nycz, or you could open the .iso with Archive Manager and view the file isolinux/text.cfg
[22:40] <vinnl> robert__, nope
[22:40] <nycz> vinnl: ok, will try
[22:41] <robert__> what do i need to install for gxine to work?
[22:41] <robert__> it failed when i tried to play a dvd
[22:41] <nycz> vinnl: by the way, i just remembered what happned when i tried to install regularly
[22:41] <nycz> vinnl: the screen says "Out of range"
[22:42] <nycz> vinnl: never happened to me before 8.10, and it was the same with kubuntu 8.10
[22:42] <vinnl> robert__, no idea, perhaps there's a #gxine channel?
[22:42] <vinnl> nycz, sorry, never had that before, wouldn't know what to do :(
[22:43] <nycz> vinnl: ok :/
[22:43] <vinnl> nycz, though if it's the same in Kubuntu, you might try in #ubuntu or #kubuntu as well :)
[22:43] <nycz> vinnl: i read that they changed to a newer x.org
[22:43] <nycz> vinnl: though it might have something to do wiht that
[22:43] <vinnl> Could be, really wouldn't know :S
[22:43] <nycz> ok :/
[22:44] <joerlend__> I'm beginning to think it might be a hardware problem. Suddenly I can't boot hardy anymore either. Grub error 15.. That means some file is missing, right?
[22:44] <nycz> btw, the alternate xubuntu installation-cd, is that textmode only?
[22:45] <joerlend__> yes.
[22:45] <joerlend__> and it is a "real" installer.
[22:46] <vinnl> joerlend_, Google says so :P
[22:46] <nycz> "real"?
[22:46] <joerlend__> nycz, yes, it uses packages and dpkg instead of simply copying the system, aiui.
[22:47] <vinnl> ...which isn't per definition better, right?
[22:47] <joerlend__> I didn't say better or worse.
[22:47] <nycz> joerlend__: doesn't tell me too much, im not that good at that kind of things :S
[22:47] <joerlend__> I think installing from a desktop cd is faster.
[22:48] <joerlend__> though, of course, you have to load a bigger system first.
[22:48] <nycz> vinnl: i think i found what i was looking for
[22:49] <nycz> vinnl: something called VESA modes
[22:49] <joerlend__> nycz, well.. The alternate installer will be more like installing from a repository, while the desktop installer will be more like copying from one folder to another, as I understand it.
[22:49] <vinnl> Maximilian1st, why btw? :)
[22:49] <joerlend__> might not be completely accurate.
[22:49] <vinnl> nycz, good :)
[22:49] <nycz> joerlend__: aha ok
[22:51] <Maximilian1st> vinnl, Was just wondering, no special reason... zomar ;-p
[22:51] <Maximilian1st> zomaar!
[22:52] <nycz> here goes... reboot
[22:53] <joerlend__> think this might be a hardware problem.. I installed xubuntu hardy on this old laptop for my uncle, then I disconnected it and put it away. Now, two weeks later, it won't boot, even though nobody has touched it since then.
[22:53] <gourdcaptain> How do I get to a terminal without xorg running and my wireless connection still up?
[22:53] <joerlend__> oh. I said that already :>
[23:03] <annaimkonki> hello all... i need help. i am new to xfce... how do i mount drives?
[23:03] <annaimkonki> partitions that is
[23:04] <annaimkonki> in gnome they already appear in the places area...
[23:07] <pyntix> argh
[23:07] <pyntix> :(
[23:08] <pyntix> i tried putting vga=829 in the boot options for the xubuntu installation but still, my screen said out of range
[23:09] <joerlend__> dammit! Now the alternate cd checksums doesn't match. :(
[23:12] <nycz> hm
[23:14] <Tetracomm> Hello.
[23:14] <Tetracomm> I just installed a program using make install and this is the error I get when I try to run it, help?: http://pastebin.com/d56a830e
[23:17] <nyciz> how do i change the refresh frequency of the screen for the xubuntu installation?
[23:18] <nyciz> anyone...?
[23:18] <Odd-rationale> nyciz: you will need to edit your xorg.conf file.
[23:18] <nyciz> :S
[23:19] <nyciz> which one, its during the installation?
[23:19] <gaurdro> Tetracomm, you'll need to talk in a channel dedicated to that program or install the version from the repo (if it exists)
[23:19] <Odd-rationale> nyciz: oh, during install?
[23:19] <nyciz> Odd-rationale: yup
[23:20] <Odd-rationale> nyciz: well, same solution... but i rather use the alternative cd... much easier imo... :D
[23:20] <nyciz> my screen says "135,1 kHz   15 Hz   Out of range"
[23:20] <nyciz> yup, guess i'll have to d/l that...
[23:20] <Tetracomm> gaurdro: There is no channel for that program, and there is no version in the repository.
[23:20] <nyciz> doh :/
[23:21] <joerlend__> Tetracomm, perhaps it's a color depth thing? If you're using 32bit color depth, try switching to 24bit instead.
[23:21] <Tetracomm> Ok.
[23:22] <Tetracomm> How do I switch?
[23:22] <joerlend__> that's just a wild guess though..
[23:22] <nyciz> uh, the alternate cd... is it more difficult to use than the regular? i've never installed with only textmode before o_O
[23:22] <joerlend__> Tetracomm, that I can't answer. I don't use xubuntu much myself. :)
[23:22] <Odd-rationale> nyciz: nope. pretty staight forward
[23:22] <nyciz> ok
[23:23] <nyciz> well, while we're at it, what's the real difference between the 64bit xubuntu and the 32bit?
[23:24] <nyciz> i've got an amd athlon 64, should i pick the 64bit version or stick with the 32bit? would i notice any difference, good or bad?
[23:27] <nyciz> hm
[23:28] <nyciz> guess ill stick with 32 then
[23:34] <Dark_Fire|Cell> Hey
[23:34] <Dark_Fire|Cell> I was just wondering what the minimum system requirements are...
[23:37] <joerlend__> http://www.xubuntu.org/get
[23:37] <nyciz> Dark_Fire|Cell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xubuntu#System_Requirements
[23:37] <nyciz> :P
[23:37] <nyciz> nice timing
[23:38] <Dark_Fire|Cell> Tx :)
[23:38] <joerlend__> you need 128MB RAM to run the live session, 192MB to install from the live session, and 64MB RAM to install using the alternate installer. And you need 1.5GB Harddisk.
[23:38] <Dark_Fire|Cell> Hope it will run on my laptop. Only 128 mb ram.
[23:38] <Dark_Fire|Cell> O, hmm
[23:39] <joerlend__> the information on wikipedia is wrong, obviously.
[23:39] <Odd-rationale> Dark_Fire|Cell: use the alternative disk to install, is my recommendation.
[23:39] <nyciz> :(
[23:39] <nyciz> oh well, time to try the alternate cd
[23:39] <joerlend__> Dark_Fire|Cell, it will. You should even be able to run a live session, but not install from it.
[23:39] <Odd-rationale> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[23:40] <Dark_Fire|Cell> But how will it run? Slow?
[23:40] <joerlend__> Dark_Fire|Cell, the live session will run slowly. The installed system will run nicely. :)
[23:40] <Odd-rationale> Dark_Fire|Cell: i'd recommend this over xubuntu for you: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems
[23:41] <Odd-rationale> firefox on 128mb of ram will be very slow...
[23:41] <Odd-rationale> i setup a friend with a pentium III, 128 mb ram with ubuntu + lxde
[23:42] <joerlend__> my uncle uses xubuntu on this laptop, which has a 450MHz CPU and 128MB RAM. He sais Firefox runs nicely.
[23:42] <Odd-rationale> i replaced firefox with epiphany...
[23:43] <Odd-rationale> both use gecko, so pages will render exactly the same...
[23:43] <Dark_Fire|Cell> Mind is 700MHz
[23:44] <joerlend__> Dark_Fire|Cell, it should be fine. you'll probably get a big performance boost if you add some more ram though.
[23:48] <joerlend__> dammit!
[23:49] <joerlend__> the iso file passes the md5sums check. I write it to a cd and run the self test. Sometimes it passes up to 35%, sometimes to 50%, and this time 70%... Is there no system to what files it checks first?
[23:50] <Odd-rationale> burn it slower...
[23:50] <joerlend__> I'll  try that too, but still.. It should fail at the same time each time, shouldn't it?
[23:55] <gaurdro> joerlend__ , nope little errors are caused by your burner any time you burn something,  they get bigger the faster you burn.  it random as to which one will hit the threshold of the drive's reader as being different.
[23:57] <joerlend__> heh. I can't actually burn slow enough.. these cd's are max 4x. Ubuntu won't let me burn slower than 4.7x.


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