[05:22] <i3dmaster> tim__: cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[05:23] <tim__> i3dmaster, then I can be of no help, sorry :(
[05:23] <i3dmaster> tim__: np, thanks
[05:23] <Thirsteh> Lafitte-,  :)
[05:24] <drcode> any one know software emule for console
[05:24] <Thirsteh> Does anyone know if it's possible to just find the modelines/rates to run in e.g. 1280x1024 85hz?
[05:24] <nmorse> then the same command but with -dao not -tao
[05:24] <drcode> I had long time somthing but I Dont remmber
[05:26] <Nalioth> drcode, i believe there is emule for the console, use synaptic to search for it
[05:26] <brokenladder> arghhh
[05:26] <brokenladder> if i could even get vesa working now that would be great.
[05:27] <drcode> thanx
[05:27] <drcode>  I Will
[05:28] <rixth> --- SIGILL (Illegal instruction) @ 0 (0) ---
[05:28] <rixth> unlink("/home/rixth/.mozilla/firefox/w19dqeqn.default/lock") = 0
[05:28] <rixth> When I try and start Firefox
[05:28] <nmorse> i3dmaster, maybe you should 'sudo apt-get install cdrecord'
[05:28] <nmorse> I can't believe cdrdao didn't force it to install when it was installed
[05:28] <MuStR> I have a q
[05:28] <Lafitte-> what is a good cd record program ???   i have gnomebaker now
[05:28] <i3dmaster> nmorse: I've had it
[05:28] <zenlunatic> How can you get mp3 playback in Hoary?
[05:29] <MuStR> if I make a new swap space partition, will ubuntu automatically use it?
[05:29] <nmorse> Please try that, i3dmaster
[05:29] <Nalioth> zenlunatic, google ubuntulinux.org for "restricted formats"
[05:29] <zenlunatic> Nalioth, What about mpg321?
[05:29] <Lafitte-> zenlunatic,  i added the codecs just now from this website http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[05:29] <rixth> !flw 34
[05:29] <MuStR> anyone know about swap space~?
[05:30] <Nalioth> zenlunatic, i believe you must have the codecs/software first
[05:30] <MuStR> it's libgstreamer something
[05:30] <Nalioth> zenlunatic, ubuntu doesnt come ootb with any soft that is not GNU
[05:30] <Lafitte-> zenlunatic,  the website first tells you how to open up your apt-get to more files
[05:30] <MuStR> I guess no one knows anything about swap space, eh?
[05:31] <Lafitte-> zenlunatic,  then you can apt-get everything  with cut and paste
[05:31] <g14> MuStR, Make a swap partition as big as the amount of ram in your computer
[05:31] <Lafitte-> MuStR,  what need to know about it ?
[05:31] <Lafitte-> yeah what g14 said
[05:31] <MuStR> why?
[05:31] <MuStR> why not larger
[05:31] <brokenladder> does anyone know anything about getting the intel extreme graphics to work in linux?
[05:31] <g14> MuStR, because it will just slow down the computer
[05:31] <MuStR> and my question was, once I make the partition, will ubuntu automatically utilize it?
[05:32] <Predius> MuStR, RAM is faster than swap.
[05:32] <dcraven> MuStR: You can make it bigger, but it probably won't be used.
[05:32] <Lafitte-> brokenladder,  use ubntu  it will work
[05:32] <Predius> Swapping = bad.
[05:32] <MuStR> why is that? isn't swap just what is used when ram overflows?
[05:32] <g14> MuStR, swapping is bad. It is only used when the ram is full
[05:32] <MuStR> yes, that's what I said
[05:32] <g14> MuStR, and it is very slow because the harddrive is slow compared to ram
[05:33] <Lafitte-> brokenladder,  mine works fine all auto detected from ubuntu install
[05:33] <MuStR> I understand that the read time is slower, but my computer will still utilize my ram first, right?
[05:33] <MuStR> yes I know.
[05:33] <g14> yes
[05:33] <MuStR> okay.
[05:33] <s_yuan31tee> anyone realize the gnome-terminal is quite slow?
[05:33] <MuStR> then there really is no reason to delimit the size of the swap partition
[05:33] <s_yuan31tee> escpecially when u vi
[05:33] <MuStR> is this correct?
[05:33] <nate__> how can i load alsa?
[05:33] <Lafitte-> mine is fast
[05:33] <dcraven> s_yuan31tee: compared to what?
[05:33] <s_yuan31tee> xterm much faster than gnome-terminal?
[05:33] <MuStR> should be
[05:34] <g14> MuStR, with older machines, you made the swap partition twice as big as the amount of ram. With newer machines you make it equal. That is standard practice
[05:34] <dcraven> s_yuan31tee: Yes.
[05:34] <brokenladder> Lafitte- you have the i810 chipset?
[05:34] <Lafitte-> brokenladder,  aye
[05:34] <s_yuan31tee> dcraven: seems  like a serious bug. when i do vi, just damm slow while doing scrolling
[05:34] <brokenladder> can you email me your xorg.conf?
[05:34] <Lafitte-> brokenladder,  im using ubuntu right now
[05:34] <brokenladder> i am too
[05:34] <MuStR> gl4: okay, thanks for your help.
[05:34] <brokenladder> but in a really low resolution
[05:34] <Lafitte-> brokenladder,  what is your problem
[05:34] <MuStR> but....I still haven't had my question answered
[05:34] <brokenladder> i can't increase the resolution.
[05:35] <brokenladder> it's totally f'ed up
[05:35] <Lafitte-> ive ran it in my own build of debian before
[05:35] <Lafitte-> what size the screen ?
[05:35] <MuStR> once I make the partition, regardless of its size, will it automatically be used by ubuntu?
[05:35] <s_yuan31tee> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122656 - seems like a unresolved bug with high priority
[05:35] <g14> MuStR, no
[05:35] <brokenladder> 640x480.. :(
[05:35] <brokenladder> i need 1280x1024
[05:35] <MuStR> gl4: what must I do to use it?
[05:35] <g14> MuStR, I can help you set it up though, its really easy to edit the fstab
[05:35] <s_yuan31tee> better switch to xterm at currect moment?
[05:35] <g14> MuStR, What kind of partiton is it?
[05:35] <MuStR> I haven't made it yet.
[05:35] <MuStR> I'm about to
[05:35] <Lafitte-> brokenladder,  you need to select that during setup     you can go back in  and select the resolution in the module portion of setup
[05:36] <dcraven> s_yuan31tee: Whatever makes you more comfortable. There are many terminal programs.
[05:36] <bdmp>  Any ideas on how to fix an non-functioning usb auto-mount?
[05:36] <brokenladder> Lafitte-, i did all that.
[05:36] <sniper2> ubuntu is bad linux
[05:36] <brokenladder> Lafitte-, i have run xorgconfig as well
[05:36] <MuStR> sniper2: why do you say that?
[05:36] <g14> MuStR, create the partition, create a mount point (empty directory), and then add it to your /etc/fstab
[05:37] <g14> sniper2, your trolling. stop
[05:37] <s_yuan31tee> dcraven: i just noe gnome-terminal and xterm
[05:37] <Nalioth> sniper2, ubuntu! get in the corner!
[05:37] <s_yuan31tee> dcraven: any other which is commonly used?
[05:37] <brokenladder> lol..ubuntu is bad linux.  that's articulate.
[05:37] <dcraven> s_yuan31tee: eterm, aterm, rxvt, konsole, etc etc...
[05:37] <nate__> ubuntu bad
[05:37] <MuStR> okay, let me go try to do this. thank you, gl4
[05:37] <nate__> me no know english good
[05:37] <MuStR> lol
[05:37] <g14> MuStR, no problem
[05:37] <nate__> hey, anyone know how to load alsa?
[05:37] <Lafitte-> brokenladder,  who said its bad linux ?
[05:38] <Lafitte-> nate you use ubuntu ?
[05:38] <hybrid_goth> hey ubuntites
[05:38] <sniper2> most bad
[05:38] <nate__> Lafitte-, yeah
[05:38] <Lafitte-> nate__, mine was included in the setup
[05:38] <sniper2> yeah brokenladder
[05:38] <g14> sniper2, well why don't you explain why you feel this way
[05:38] <nate__> Lafitte-, mine is included, but its not running
[05:38] <Thirsteh> If I place a shell script inside /etc/init.d, it will automatically 'start' upon boot, right?
[05:38] <sniper2> u are a good people
[05:38] <nate__> Lafitte-, its not much use to me if its not running
[05:39] <bretzel> hi all - reading sniper2's comment: ubuntu bad linux ? though - Mandrake (mandriva ), redhat and SuSE and co are all bad linux ?
[05:40] <Nalioth> bretzel, can you say "worse linux" rofl
[05:40] <dcraven> Maybe the guy is ESL... Yeesh.
[05:40] <Thirsteh> sniper2, you need to consider the fact that Ubuntu is a brand new Linux distribution, especially compared to big, commercial Linux distributions like Redhat, Fedora, Mandriva, SuSE, et cetera. The fact that they are already no.1 on several polls is outstanding.  Maybe that will help you learn
[05:42] <Thirsteh> Nalioth, Mandriva is the only distribution in my opinion that handles RPM installation/uninstallation and dependencies satisfyingly.
[05:42] <dcraven> Okay, I agree.. That's a troll. heh
[05:42] <mebaran151> I write in Ruby
[05:42] <Thirsteh> sniper2, go do a stage 1 Gentoo install :D
[05:42] <Nalioth> sniper2 is being poetic, y'all. let him wax on
[05:42] <fortran01> Thirsteh: amen
[05:42] <MuStR> sniper2 is CLEARLY here for attention
[05:42] <mebaran151> who might I contact to the ruby-gnome2 pkg
[05:42] <g14> Maybe the admins will give him attention *cough* devoice *cough*
[05:42] <Nalioth> Thirsteh, i won't touch a RPM based distro
[05:42] <Thirsteh> +q@sniper2
[05:43] <gbic> as they say...ignorance is bliss
[05:43] <fortran01> Nalioth: you didnt touch redhat?
[05:43] <mebaran151> libgda-ruby must be recompiled to fit libgda2.3
[05:43] <mebaran151> and not 2.1
[05:43] <Thirsteh> Nalioth, I agree that DEB as Ubuntu uses is better, and there's alot more available.
[05:43] <mebaran151> seems rather trivial
[05:43] <Nalioth> fortran01, in the past i tried lots of different things
[05:43] <g14> Nalioth, why not? rpm is superior to deb as far as packaging
[05:43] <mebaran151> deb is fine
[05:43] <mebaran151> rpm is fine
[05:43] <hybrid_goth> is there a argument to make mplayer repeat a song?
[05:43] <dcraven> mebaran151: Check for a maintainer in apt.
[05:43] <mebaran151> they all do the job
[05:43] <Nalioth> g14, you RPM lovin user, you
[05:43] <Xenguy> omg
[05:43] <mebaran151> ok
[05:44] <Nalioth> g14, i've been down in redhat hell many times
[05:44] <g14> Nalioth, I'm sitting here on my ubuntu machine with bluecurve icons :)
[05:44] <Thirsteh> Let the RPM vs. DEB vs. SRC flamewar BEGIN!!!
[05:44] <fortran01> Nalioth: books used to document and deal installation in RPMs
[05:44] <Nalioth> g14 not anymore
[05:44] <hybrid_goth> Thirsteh: heh
[05:44] <Nalioth> g14 i've got bluecurve theme, also
[05:44] <Predius> I'm a non conformist, binaries in tarballs. ;)
[05:44] <Thirsteh> Time to restart X ...nvidia......mmmmm.......
[05:44] <Xenguy> we're not here to do rpm, are we?
[05:44] <sniper2> debian is well then ubuntu
[05:44] <g14> Nalioth, the yum in fc4 is on par (speedwise) with apt-get
[05:44] <REds> rpm pfft lol
[05:45] <fortran01> urpmi the best!
[05:45] <g14> Nalioth, and handles dependencies just as well
[05:45] <Nalioth> Xenguy, what do you want to talk about?
[05:45] <Xenguy> g14: you're on crack - yum is crap compared to apt-get
[05:45] <Lafitte-> nate__,  apt-get install alsa-base     try that
[05:45] <Nalioth> g14, i havent used fedora 4, but one can only hope
[05:45] <REds> u just cant compare apt-get/dpkg
[05:45] <hybrid_goth> ubuntu needs .ub or .uber
[05:45] <Xenguy> Nalioth: umm, debian or ubunut, how bout that ;-)
[05:45] <REds> its on its own par ;0
[05:45] <Predius> I swear I'm near killing the MOTUs.
[05:45] <Xenguy> ubuntu
[05:45] <hybrid_goth> Predius: why?
[05:45] <g14> Xenguy: Well here are 2 things I can do with yum I haven't found out how to do with any of the debian tools
[05:46] <Nalioth> sniper2 what happened to your poetry?
[05:46] <Xenguy> g14: yes?
[05:46] <pablo928> hey, you're confusing usa nebies with this talk of rpms. Ubuntu is my 1st linux distro.
[05:46] <g14> Xenguy: I can install a base system into a folder for virtual servers with yum --installroot
[05:46] <Nalioth> sniper2, you were starting out so well
[05:46] <g14> Xenguy, I can restore all of the file permissions and check the md5 of any binaries with rpm
[05:46] <sniper2> adas
[05:47] <sniper2> pay for money
[05:47] <mebaran151> just did
[05:47] <g14> Xenguy: Maybe it's because I've very new to debian and a redhat admin, but rpm is a very well thought out package format
[05:47] <hybrid_goth> Predius: what did the MOTUs do now?
[05:47] <Xenguy> g14: whatever - all of this is trivial IMO
[05:47] <mebaran151> I swear, Ubuntu should use Ruby
[05:47] <mebaran151> it is such a clear easy language
[05:47] <Predius> Firefox!
[05:47] <mebaran151> better than python
[05:47] <Nalioth> mebaran151, Ruby is available in ubuntu
[05:47] <Predius> You can't get Extensions, did you know?
[05:47] <REds> g14, rpm isnt as good with depdencies, this is well known
[05:47] <Predius> Unless I download FF from mozilla's site.
[05:47] <hybrid_goth> Predius: No?!?!
[05:47] <Predius> Nope.
[05:48] <Predius> Try.
[05:48] <g14> REds, yum changes that and puts it on a level playing field
[05:48] <Predius> It says "get the latest ff, ktnxplz."
[05:48] <veritas> How can I unmode +i?
[05:48] <dcraven> mebaran151: You don't like Python? I've never tried ruby.
[05:48] <hybrid_goth> Predius: damn them now i got to compile Mplayer and Fx
[05:48] <Predius> why?
[05:48] <REds> g14, u can do md5-sums with apt/dpkg i believe, debian backs up the old file rather than overwriting on package upgrades also, so u have the permissions
[05:48] <Predius> mplayer?
[05:49] <g14> REds, Is it possible to do something like this with dpkg? http://www.fedorasolved.com/viewtopic.php?t=29 I really need it to do this and can't find out how
[05:49] <REds> g14, ive seen yum but its still rpm's , they break more its a well known fact compared to debs
[05:49] <REds> *looks
[05:49] <Predius> I'm running nightly now, since the 1.0.4 is still buggy, for me atleasy.
[05:49] <hybrid_goth> Predius: b/c of the "resticted" stuff i juss use the real one instead of the cut up ubuntu mplayer
[05:49] <REds> g14, u have to get in there and use dpkg more, it is powerful
[05:49] <g14> REds: rpm stores the md5 and permissions in the rpmdb. I'm not aware of dpkg doing this
[05:50] <Xenguy> *plonk*
[05:50] <Predius> marrilat?
[05:50] <Nalioth> g14 the md5s are stored in the system somewhere
[05:50] <REds> g14, thats not realy a package programs problem, permissions is realy to do with the admin and user though
[05:50] <g14> REds, debians strength is that they try to maintain binary compatability with all derivatives where rpm based distros dont
[05:51] <hybrid_goth> Predius: i aint worried about it now
[05:51] <REds> g14, if ur trashing whole dir permissions u shuldnt be playn with stuff though ?
[05:51] <g14> REds, But isn't it nice to use the package management tools to check md5sums and fix permissions?
[05:51] <g14> REds, That is just an example. For if you mess up permissions
[05:51] <REds> ye, but dpkg uses md5sums
[05:51] <veritas> Hey g14.. I got some more questions for you
[05:51] <g14> REds, I am trying to say, don't thrash something you don't know and obviously don't use.
[05:52] <g14> veritas, shoot
[05:52] <REds> its good but i think that permissions option shuld be left for a system app though
[05:52] <REds> yah
[05:52] <veritas> When I start kismet, it automatically is in RFmode - now, does it actually dump data to a pcap file?
[05:52] <hybrid_goth> is there a argument to make mplayer repeat a song?
[05:52] <hybrid_goth> *an
[05:52] <veritas> actually = automatically
[05:52] <g14> I started everyone hacking wireless :)
[05:52] <Nalioth> so how many of y'all are taking sick days next week?
[05:52] <g14> veritas, sorry, I have to run out for just a few minutes
[05:52] <Nalioth> i hear the ROTS virus is gonna hit a bunch of us
[05:52] <veritas> g14: I've been interested in this for a long long time
[05:52] <REds> g14, dpkg and apt is just a strong combo aswell as dselect if u like that and the packages are just very well tested, and almost never have many issues with installation
[05:53] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: rots?
[05:53] <Nalioth> revenge of the sith
[05:53] <hybrid_goth> haha
[05:53] <Xenguy> hybrid_goth: while [ -e Max_Webster_-_Blue_River_Liquor_Shine.mp3 ] ; do play Max_Webster_-_Blue_River_Liquor_Shine.mp3; done
[05:53] <hybrid_goth> ok ty
[05:53] <Xenguy> hybrid_goth: from the CLI
[05:53] <REds> g14, but also were comparing apt-get to yum which is the gui app im assuming, not realy the same thing, synaptic and update-manager are in earlier stages
[05:54] <krazykook> but anyway you can see just how selective gentoo has become....they only accept packages which will compile properly and just one days' contributions have become very small as you can see here.
[05:54] <krazykook> http://packages.gentoo.org/
[05:54] <Nalioth> REds, yum is very similar to apt-get, only for RPMs
[05:54] <g14> REds, yum is an apt-get equivalent. There is no gui app yet. Hopefully they will add yum support to synaptic
[05:55] <Nalioth> REds, its a CLI proggy (with gui frontends, justl like apt)
[05:55] <Nalioth> g14 i had a gui on my YDL system
[05:55] <REds> ahh ok Nalioth g4, im thinking of the gui on redhat/mandrake and u can add deb sources aswell
[05:56] <Nalioth> well, i'm using debian distros from here on out
[05:56] <Nalioth> i've had enough time in redhat hell
[05:56] <g14> veritas, does the packetsize increase in kismet?
[05:56] <g14> veritas, if not, then it's not capturing like it's supposed to be
[05:56] <veritas> Yes
[05:57] <s_yuan31tee> any way to diff multiple files? diff *.c ../dir/*.c just wont work
[05:57] <veritas> Next question: g14, it takes me like 5 minutes to capture 1000 packets
[05:57] <veritas> weplab states it needs 100,000
[05:57] <veritas> How is it possible for people to consistently crack 128kb WEP in 3 minutes?
[05:58] <REds> Nalioth, have to agree with u there
[05:58] <g14> veritas, thats odd, maybe there just isn't enough network traffic
[05:58] <krazykook> so as you can see there is less than 20 packages for anyone on gentoo to compile in just one day
[05:58] <_neofax> Does anyone have the wlan-ng drivers working with a GigaFast WF741?
[05:58] <veritas> There was absolutely none, I was just monitoring my own with no one on it
[05:58] <ayman> e - Only if its through your mothers line. As far as jews are concern you have tohave a Jewish mother for an automatic ticket to the club. Otherwise you have to go through conversion.
[05:58] <ayman>   ayman :  Kali_the_Vampyre : Yes, I know they are matrilineal.
[05:58] <ayman>   ayman :  Grassroots_Prophet : The hebrew people completely assimilated some cultures and also mixed with many others.. so jew
[05:58] <jaggi> in windows, why would my audio work, mp3s work, but we get no sound when we try to run a DVD movie?
[05:58] <ayman>  PennyBright considers powder snow. Tha
[05:58] <ayman> e - Only if its through your mothers line. As far as jews are concern you have tohave a Jewish mother for an automatic ticket to the club. Otherwise you have to go through conversion.
[05:58] <ayman>   ayman :  Kali_the_Vampyre : Yes, I know they are matrilineal.
[05:58] <paulproteus> veritas: Is the network in a lot of use?
[05:58] <ayman>   ayman :  Grassroots_Prophet : The hebrew people completely assimilated some cultures and also mixed with many others.. so jew
[05:59] <ayman>  PennyBright considers powder snow. Tha
[05:59] <veritas> None
[05:59] <ayman> e - Only if its through your mothers line. As far as jews are concern you have tohave a Jewish mother for an automatic ticket to the club. Otherwise you have to go through conversion.
[05:59] <veritas> When I was monitorin
[05:59] <veritas> How long, on average do it take you to crack WEP G14?
[05:59] <g14> veritas, On a normal WEP enabled network (Like Lowes before they switched to WPA) it normally only took a few minutes to sniff enough packets to crack
[05:59] <g14> veritas, I have a pretty fast laptop, on average, I'd say <10 minutes
[05:59] <Nalioth> veritas, i agree. i've sat outside places and only taken a few minutes to get a result
[06:00] <Nalioth> veritas, that is on my g3 ibook
[06:00] <veritas> I have a very fast laptop - How much does that have to do with it?
[06:00] <g14> veritas, number crunching
[06:00] <Nalioth> veritas, takes CPU to crunch the numbers
[06:00] <veritas> 1.6 Centrino, 512 megs DDR at 333mhz
[06:01] <veritas> How do I set mode -i in IRSSI?
[06:01] <capi> Anyone know a good IRC channel on messing with Computer hardware?
[06:01] <Nalioth> night y'all
[06:01] <bitsmash> hi
[06:01] <g14> hp pavilion zd8000 3.2 p4 1gb ram :)
[06:01] <bitsmash> how do i unzip my multiple zip files?
[06:01] <g14> night Nalioth
[06:01] <JDahl> anyone has experience with number crunching on both P4 and Athlon 64 bit? is it worth going for the 64 bit Athlon?
[06:01] <g14> 64 kills the p4
[06:02] <Nalioth> jdahl, its only worth it if you have 64bit aware apps
[06:02] <g14> like gentoo, even though it takes forever
[06:02] <JDahl> Nalioth, I write my own software, but has anyone tried to compare it?
[06:02] <veritas> g14: You mess around with Packet Injection?
[06:02] <mebaran151> my p4 is slaughtered by my AMD64
[06:03] <g14> can we say dsniff?
[06:03] <mebaran151> nah amd64 has better memory tech
[06:03] <g14> veritas, yes thats part of my job
[06:03] <nate__> hey, i installed using the physical ethernet on my laptop, now when i go to try to activate my wireless, it says: Ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1.
[06:03] <nate__> how can i enable it?
[06:04] <veritas> g14: How much faster does packet injection make recieving packets?
[06:04] <brokenladder> but intel makes their own mb's, many of which are much better than amd setups.
[06:04] <brokenladder> in my case, the equivalent amd mb would not have been as good.
[06:04] <nate__> anyone?
[06:04] <krazykook> because gentoo was never about tweaking anything...it is about getting the source code that will compile so it can be ported with wine and mingw type tools over to windows for billions of dollars.
[06:04] <brokenladder> also, amd will not have the fab capacity to keep up with intel on the dual core home market.
[06:04] <mebaran151> maybe it woudl have
[06:04] <mebaran151> Nvidia makes damn good motherboards
[06:04] <brokenladder> no, there are actually features it didn't have
[06:05] <brokenladder> i forgot the details, but i researched it before buying.
[06:05] <g14> veritas, I was referring to a different kind of packet injection I think
[06:05] <hybrid_goth> brokenladder: he are you aka torpid?
[06:05] <brokenladder> uh huh
[06:05] <brokenladder> and my crappy on board graphics sucks with linux.
[06:05] <brokenladder> i want to get out of this low res shite.
[06:06] <regeya_> magic words: grappy on board graphics
[06:06] <veritas> g14: I'm talking about crafting fake packets and "injecting" them, to make fake traffic and get the AP to send more real packets back
[06:06] <brokenladder> i don't need good graphics, but for the love of god..this sucks.
[06:06] <regeya_> crappy even
[06:06] <hybrid_goth> brokenladder: man i love your music. i am a metal head but listen to a variety of other genre and i loved your music
[06:06] <nate__> anyone?
[06:06] <JDahl> what about PPC for number crunching then? that's supposed to have a sophisticated vector processor? I am thinking of upgrading my homemachine, but cant make up my mind
[06:06] <brokenladder> i don't understand why things are physically bigger on my screen in a lower res mode.  x should know my physical monitor size.
[06:06] <g14> veritas, set up 2 hosts and have them copy files with ssh and a for loop
[06:06] <regeya> hey, how many graphics cards is os x up to now?  four?
[06:06] <brokenladder> hybrid_goth i live in san francisco and i'm dying to make it.
[06:06] <krazykook> and so many people belieive the crap that winehq spews out...just a pack of lies....they know about running mingw and similar tools on wine...they just don't tell anyone
[06:06] <g14> veritas, then sniff away
[06:06] <brokenladder> i wish more people shared your sentiment.
[06:06] <Thirsteh> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=323317    :(
[06:06] <brokenladder> hybrid_goth, please post to my forum.
[06:07] <hybrid_goth> brokenladder: ok
[06:07] <regeya> um
[06:07] <brokenladder> i have intel extreme graphics 2, and dammit i just want to get higher than 640 resolution.  even vesa would be great.  anyone?
[06:07] <regeya> mingw on wine...
[06:07] <brokenladder> pleeeez
[06:07] <veritas> a "for loop"?
[06:07] <brokenladder> hybrid_goth, this new computer i just got, once i get it set up, will be my new recording system.  it's bad ass
[06:07] <krazykook> that way the GNU programmers do all the work and give away the code for free...and the wine porters...just port the code to windows and make billions as an organziation called Microsoft
[06:08] <g14> veritas, you could set up a bash script to continuously copy a file back and forth between 2 machines through ssh
[06:08] <regeya> can you explain this to me, krazykook?  WHY are you wanting to run MINGW on WINE?
[06:08] <krazykook> and gentoo was never about tweaking anything...it is about getting source code that will compile
[06:08] <hybrid_goth> brokenladder: awesome. so far my fav song is the gene for suicide
[06:08] <brokenladder> thanks.  i love that song but hate that rendition of it.
[06:08] <g14> veritas, or just copy a really big file like a dvd rip over the network. That will be easy to sniff
[06:08] <brokenladder> it needs heavier vocals and d rums and everything.
[06:08] <veritas> g14: Wouldn't you need to be associated to do that, g14?
[06:09] <regeya> Heh, that makes me wonder if cygwin will install under wine ;-)
[06:09] <g14> veritas, you said it was on a home network and you need more traffic
[06:09] <g14> veritas, a normal network has plenty of traffic to sniff
[06:09] <hybrid_goth> brokenladder: the best thing is it is in ogg :D
[06:09] <veritas> g14: Define normal network...
[06:09] <dcraven> krazykook: wtf are you talking about?
[06:09] <hybrid_goth> man come to texas you would kill
[06:09] <veritas> g14: A generic home network with absolutely no traffic?
[06:10] <g14> veritas, 3 or more computers talking to eachother
[06:10] <brokenladder> hybrid_goth,  i was in beaumont over christmas
[06:10] <dcraven> brokenladder: Did you see this wiki page? --> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:10] <g14> veritas, , windows automaticly phoneshome to M$ and does auto updates.  If you didn't catch on.
[06:13] <hybrid_goth> o_0 houston has nice nightlife
[06:13] <g14> veritas, here are a few examples... so you've cracked the wep key and gotten access to the computer. It is a 19.168.1.xx network...
[06:14] <hybrid_goth> good day benplaut
[06:14] <g14> veritas, nmap -sP <IP_ADDRESS>/24 will do whats called a pingscan of the whole network. It sends a ping to every ip and tells you which ones are available
[06:14] <g14> veritas, every ip from <IP_ADDRESS>-255
[06:16] <veritas> g14: "Available", if you're already associated what does it matter?
[06:16] <g14> veritas, Associated?
[06:16] <capi> Anyone know a good IRC channel for messing with computer hardware.
[06:17] <veritas> Assigned an IP from the DHCP, connected to the network
[06:17] <g14> veritas, ok, you are on a new network. You want to find hosts to hack into. That is what a pingscan is for
[06:18] <veritas> keep in mind this is my first week in Linux, I'm not really familar with configuring settings for networks that don't have DHCP enabled/ :x
[06:18] <IIIEars> Hello!
[06:18] <g14> veritas, ok
[06:18] <veritas> Right, I understand the point now
[06:18] <veritas> What do you use to attack availabe IPs?
[06:18] <xMaximex> why can't i update firefox to the last version with apt-get and synaptic ?? The last version is 1.0.4 and the installed version is 1.0.2
[06:18] <g14> veritas, Once you find a host on the network, try running something like nmap -sV -O ipaddress
[06:19] <ryman> xMaximex, you can download it from www.getfirefox.com
[06:19] <hybrid_goth> xMaximex: b/c it was not avaible with the release of hoary
[06:19] <g14> veritas, that will scan the computer for open ports, attempt to determine what services are running on the ports and attempt to guess the operating system
[06:19] <brokenladder> i don't think there's any www in that url.
[06:19] <IIIEars> made a couple of Ubuntu converts has anyone seen "markgtarist" or "Momster" ?
[06:19] <xMaximex> ryman, if i install it with the .tar.gz it will no longer update by itself ?
[06:20] <g14> veritas, you could use the version numbers of software it gives you to go to a vulnerability database website like www.packetstormsecurity.org or securityfocus.com and hack into that computer
[06:20] <ryman> xMaximex, I dont know but there is 1.0.2 backport from Ubuntu
[06:20] <veritas> g14: This is your profession?
[06:20] <g14> veritas, you could also use that information to look for common misconfigurations to find some sort of backdoor
[06:20] <veritas> Badass job ;)
[06:20] <ryman> do the update and upgrade
[06:20] <g14> veritas, you could say that :)
[06:20] <Marble2> Anyone here using handbrake?
[06:20] <veritas> Profitable?
[06:20] <g14> veritas, I work for the govt
[06:21] <veritas> I'm entering UCI next year undecided/undeclared... They're CS deparment is in the 10 best in the nation
[06:21] <veritas> Hhahaha, no shit?
[06:21] <capi> ?
[06:21] <g14> veritas, For computer security, purdue is the best in the nation. Thats where I went
[06:21] <veritas> How do I set IRSSI to -i
[06:21] <g14> veritas, MIT is probably second best
[06:22] <Predius> Guys, globally, where are the best unis?
[06:22] <Predius> *colleges
[06:22] <brokenladder> for what?
[06:23] <tritium> g14, you're a Purdue grad?
[06:23] <brokenladder> i'd suggest mit,
[06:23] <g14> Predius: USA
[06:23] <Predius> damnit, IT in general.
[06:23] <veritas> 'Evening, tritium
[06:23] <brokenladder> my roomie's gf went to penn state
[06:23] <JDahl> Predius, that depends entirely on what subject you want to study
[06:23] <tritium> veritas, hello
[06:23] <tim__> veritas, what's UCI stand for? (U. Cali Irvine?)
[06:23] <g14> tritium, boilermakers all the way
[06:23] <Predius> Yeah, I know.
[06:23] <veritas> Yeahm tim__
[06:23] <veritas> Yeah*
[06:23] <tim__> veritas, OK.
[06:23] <tritium> g14, I'm at Purdue now
[06:23] <Predius> In a broad scale, that was my question.
[06:24] <tritium> veritas, How are you?
[06:24] <g14> tritium, CS?
[06:24] <JDahl> Predius, + generally the university is not the bottleneck... you are :)
[06:24] <veritas> I'm not familar globally.. but in the US... UC Berkeley, MIT, Cal Tech, Stanford, Harvard, Yale, Princeton are the sterotypical answers
[06:24] <tritium> g14, no, ECE
[06:24] <pablo928> g14:so does that make you a hoosier?
[06:24] <tim__> heh, it's weird to hear talk about schools. I just got into law school ;) Well, into another and about the last I was waiting for.
[06:24] <veritas> tritium: Good, kicking back with you guys before I head out for the night, gleening knowledge for g14 :)
[06:24] <tim__> The others I no longer care about ;)
[06:24] <hybrid_goth> tritium: is purdue a nice computer school?
[06:24] <veritas> tritium: You?
[06:25] <regeya> know what'd be really awesome?
[06:25] <Lafitte-> ubuntu is good distro
[06:25] <veritas> for = from*
[06:25] <Lafitte-> i like it
[06:25] <tritium> hybrid_goth, I believe so.  I'm a PhD candidate in Elec. & Comp. Eng., so I'm not too familiar with the CS dept.
[06:25] <Predius> I know, JDahl, I just don't think many jobs like a man who just says that he knows, even if he does.
[06:25] <regeya> if the kernel that shipped with the current stable system had a b0rked inotify.    Go Irish!
[06:27] <veritas> g14: agreed. :)
[06:27] <JDahl> tritium, what topic are you working on? I'm a post.doc. at UCLAs EE dept working on convex optimization
[06:27] <g14> tritium, nice
[06:27] <pablo928> tritium: my "uncle" was a profesor of mathematics for many years at purdue
[06:27] <IIIEars> hm - How do you mask your ip address?
[06:27] <veritas> tritium: Where ya' at now, and what are studying in grad school?
[06:27] <IIIEars> easy question no?
[06:27] <tritium> JDahl, Comm. & Signal Processing.  My dissertation is in the area of radar detection.
[06:27] <veritas> Convex optimization... Post Doc? Wow, sounds like you must be loaded :P
[06:27] <g14> IIIEars, disable all ports on your computer. I'm pretty sure ubuntu does this by default
[06:28] <Lafitte-> anyone know how to disable a touchpad on a laptop if a mouse plugged in ?
[06:28] <veritas> Lafitte-: Why would you want to? :x
[06:28] <hybrid_goth> g14: yes it does nmap <IP_ADDRESS> and all you get is active ports
[06:28] <tritium> pablo928, cool.  They have a good math dept. here too.  Prof. Neugebauer teaches a mean Measure Theory course.
[06:28] <capi> Lafitte, Put duck tape over it... low tech.
[06:28] <Lafitte-> veritas,  because  i have a 3lb laptop   super small  and i always hit the pad and relocate the cursor
[06:28] <IIIEars> now i -am- lost - lol - disable *all* ports? - huh?
[06:29] <g14> hybrid_goth, <IP_ADDRESS> is loopback. Try doing it again on your public ip
[06:29] <veritas> Lafitte-: Ah :)
[06:29] <phxguy> anyone here familiar with kxdocker?
[06:29] <veritas> Lafitte-: Mine's 4.1, and I never do :P
[06:29] <Lafitte-> veritas,  the laptop has an on off switch for it  if windows is running
[06:29] <pablo928> tritium: my uncle was prof. gutzwiller
[06:29] <Thirsteh> Nowadays, monitors will display the blue screen "Invalid Resolution ~ Hertz" when you try to run in a refresh rate higher than the monitor can handle, right?
[06:29] <tritium> pablo928, ah, cool :)
[06:29] <Lafitte-> i plug a little mouse in  always
[06:29] <hybrid_goth> g14: it should do the same eh?
[06:29] <tritium> JDahl, where did you do your PhD?
[06:29] <g14> hybrid_goth, no probably not
[06:29] <Thirsteh> Yeah, they will, nvm.
[06:29] <hybrid_goth> ok
[06:29] <JDahl> tritium, in Denmark
[06:29] <tritium> JDahl, ah, cool.
[06:29] <JDahl> (I am Danish)
[06:29] <pablo928> tritium: i say my uncle, but he was married to my father's cousin
[06:30] <Lafitte-> veritas,  or     how i turn off taps ?
[06:30] <Thirsteh> JDahl, Tuborg ;)
[06:30] <veritas> Lafitte-: No idea, sorry bro :(
[06:30] <Lafitte-> veritas,  that would make it 90% better
[06:30] <hybrid_goth> whats the unix equal to ipconfig
[06:30] <tritium> pablo928, gotcha.
[06:30] <Thirsteh> JDahl, you don't live in Denmark?
[06:30] <g14> hybrid_goth, ifconfig
[06:30] <Lafitte-> i know   tpconfig can  but it wouldnt install
[06:30] <IIIEars> Microsoft promises no more "Blue Screen of Death" BSOD for longhorn
[06:30] <JDahl> Thirsteh, pfft... I'd rather drink my own urin
[06:30] <Thirsteh> JDahl, lmao.
[06:30] <JDahl> Thirsteh, no, I work and live in LA
[06:30] <veritas> Lafitte-: In Windows I have software for that, as well. No idea for Linux
[06:30] <IIIEars> they are using a new color RED - lol
[06:30] <Thirsteh> JDahl, nice. Good job :)
[06:30] <pablo928> tritium: i believe there's an endowment in his name at purdue
[06:30] <veritas> IIIEars: I read there's still BSODs, just RSODs for really serious errors.
[06:31] <Thirsteh> JDahl, starting on my International Bachelorship after the summer holidays, so maybe I'll be joining you ;)
[06:31] <tritium> pablo928, I'll check into it
[06:31] <veritas> JDahl: Yearly salary? :D
[06:31] <pablo928> tritium: do that, please, and let me know
[06:31] <Lafitte-> veritas,  i got it  :)
[06:31] <JDahl> veritas, not that big... at least not as high as in industry
[06:31] <veritas> I feel really younge all of assuden. I'm the only one who isn't in colelge yet.
[06:31] <veritas> Lafitte-: Congrats, how?
[06:31] <hybrid_goth> g14: ah. nmap <IP_ADDRESS> shows more ports
[06:32] <Thirsteh> veritas, I wasn't 2 years ago either :P
[06:32] <veritas> <------ 17
[06:32] <tritium> pablo928, there's a Gutzwiller mentioned here: http://news.uns.purdue.edu/html3month/020715.H.Higgins.civilscls.html
[06:32] <pablo928> veritas: if it heps i'm 52 and i'm a newbie to linux
[06:32] <hybrid_goth> <-------- 14
[06:32] <g14> hybrid_goth, <IP_ADDRESS> is loopback. On every network card in the world, <IP_ADDRESS> will access itsself
[06:32] <veritas> pablo928: Hahhaha, awesome man
[06:32] <regeya> I was in college a few years ago
[06:32] <pablo928> veritas: helps that is
[06:32] <hybrid_goth> g14: i know
[06:32] <karljp> hmm, rather live in LA than denmark
[06:33] <regeya> southern illinois univerity: the best 6 or 7 years of your life
[06:33] <hybrid_goth> g14: there is no place like <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:33] <karljp> you can keep LA, it's all yours :)
[06:33] <veritas> I'm not a big LA fan
[06:33] <Lafitte-> veritas,  argh    i got tpconfig  but it tells me no synaptics touchpad    rofl    thats what it is
[06:33] <veritas> Howerver, drive an hour-2 down South
[06:33] <capi> I'm looking to update an old box, ~4GB, PentiumII, Win. Mostly for expirementing, i want to make it a bit more Ubuntu friendly, so maybe change the Bus and definetly add memory. Anyone know some good sites with information on how to do stuff like that, mainly how to tell what your computer can handle. Making things work nicely together.
[06:33] <veritas> and you're in my loal town :D
[06:33] <veritas> Lafitte-: That's mine too
[06:33] <pablo928> karljp; l.a., been ther, done that
[06:33] <veritas> You wouldn't happen to own a 700m?
[06:34] <IIIEars> capi - pick up an inexpensive new computer they can be had for less than $200 - great for webservers/NAS
[06:35] <Lafitte-> im reading its a problem everywhere
[06:35] <pablo928> veritas, then you're not to far from me. (I'm in yuma, az
[06:35] <regeya> so is inotify working nicely in 2.6.11?
[06:35] <Lafitte-> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-27650.html
[06:35] <hybrid_goth> anyone know of a google killer?
[06:35] <veritas> pablo928: Sounds pretty far to me. I'm in Laguna Beach, CA.  I'm really in this for the learning experience, since I haven't dabbled in hardware to much.
[06:36] <g14> hybrid_goth, I just scanned you and it didn't return anything. The ubuntu firewall by default stealths all ports and denies pings
[06:36] <veritas> g14: /whois showed your info
[06:36] <hybrid_goth> g14: doesnt MS do that on their server
[06:36] <regeya> see, the thing about buying a $200 computer is that they last like $200 computers and tend to be unusable when you're swapping h/w
[06:36] <pablo928> veritas, when you consider that we're xhatting with people from all over the worl that';s next-door
[06:36] <IIIEars> gl4 - point it this way am i any better off?
[06:36] <shido6> regeya, unless its an xbox
[06:37] <g14> veritas, I've got nothing to hide. My computer is secure. If you portscan this computer you will see an ssh server and a hula webmail server
[06:37] <veritas> pablo928: True :) I find it amazing how many foreign (outside the US) folk there are - I'm learning it's more of an open source then than just Ubunt - It's refreshing, I like it :)
[06:37] <g14> hybrid_goth, They block pings, yes
[06:37] <brokenladder> anyone know how to get vesa working on intel extreme graphics 2?
[06:37] <regeya> krazykook: if he wants to call anyone a bunch of damnfools getting ripped off by MS, he could say it about the *BSD guys, but they don't seem to mind.
[06:37] <hybrid_goth> g14: so the ubuntu FW does that bu defualt?
[06:37] <hybrid_goth> nice
[06:37] <krazykook> krazykook: well the BSD guys are well paid by MS and Apple
[06:38] <IIIEars> brokenladder - have you ried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:38] <dcraven> regeya: Or even worse, the people who buy their products.
[06:38] <regeya> !
[06:38] <tritium> veritas, sorry, didn't see your question above.  Did you get the answer?
[06:38] <krazykook> they have always been the pimps of MS
[06:38] <g14> hybrid_goth, yeah ubuntu does a few things for security. They are the first linux distro I know of that totally disables root by default and uses sudo.    WHO!  WHO-WHO WHO! WHO-WHO
[06:39] <IIIEars> gl4 - and this channel gets fifty people a day asking how to renable root. - lol
[06:39] <dcraven> hahaha
[06:39] <hybrid_goth> g14: yes but so many people do not pick that up during installation
[06:39] <brokenladder> IIIEars, absolutely
[06:39] <hybrid_goth> i didnt get it at first sudo that is but i have grown to love it
[06:39] <g14> IIIEars, yes it is sad that they don't understand. To keep them happy, just tell them sudo -s
[06:39] <hybrid_goth> heh
[06:39] <veritas> Bleh
[06:40] <bob__> a python rtfm ?  is it installed by default?  is idle installed?  is it supposed to be in /etc
[06:40] <veritas> in IRSII how do I set -i for my alias
[06:40] <pablo928> IIIEars, i was fortunate,never having used linux before i wasn't expecting to be root
[06:40] <g14> Here is how I set up sudo to pretty much ignore it: put a much of aliases in my ~/.bashrc
[06:40] <IIIEars> kept a root terminal open online all the time my first week using Ununtu - sheepish grin
[06:40] <g14> alias dpkg="sudo /usr/bin/dpkg"
[06:40] <Marble2> Can someone help me out? I'm trying to run handbrake, and every time I run it, I get this error: handbrake: relocation error: /usr/lib/libavcodec.so.0: undefined symbol: NeAACDecOpen
[06:41] <Marble2> any ideas?
[06:41] <hybrid_goth> g14: i dont get it
[06:41] <nate____> does gnome use gnomesu?  or what is the equivalent?
[06:41] <metalsand> g14: Nice trick :)
[06:41] <g14> nate____, gksudo
[06:41] <nate____> g14, thanks
[06:41] <Marble2> hybrid_goth: automatically use sudo when running dpkg
[06:41] <b3ar1n0> Marble2 your libavcodec don't have neaacdecopen :)
[06:42] <hybrid_goth> Marble2: ok now how do i do that
[06:42] <Marble2> right
[06:42] <metalsand> g14: What's some good reading on packetstorm?
[06:42] <Marble2> b3ar1n0: how do I fix that
[06:42] <g14> hybrid_goth, Everytime you open a terminal, it reads a file named .bashrc in your home directory
[06:42] <metalsand> Being a newb I have no idea where to start
[06:42] <g14> metalsand, all of it :) thats where I got started
[06:42] <g14> metalsand, well packetstorm is pretty advanced for the most part
[06:42] <metalsand> g14: Sounds good :)
[06:42] <metalsand> g14: Less advanced literatuer?
[06:42] <g14> metalsand, Do you have money? I'll suggest a few books for you that I have sitting behind me
[06:42] <b3ar1n0> try reinstlala libavcodec and handbrake:) could be tha packet are not aligned:)
[06:43] <IIIEars> << Thinks webshots is good reading?
[06:43] <IIIEars> i'm new okay! - lol
[06:43] <metalsand> g14: Not really, but I'm sure I'll be able to find them ;)
[06:43] <ubuntuan> hello everyone
[06:43] <metalsand> g14: I'm an unemployed high schoo senior. :x
[06:43] <g14> metalsand, Maximum Security - A hackers guide to protecting your computer systems and networks
[06:44] <metalsand> does IRSSI have logging options?
[06:44] <g14> metalsand, Hacking Exposed 4th edition
[06:44] <metalsand> ARG! How do I disable -i for my alias, I can't see people who are invis
[06:44] <b3ar1n0> maximum security? simple unplug it:)
[06:44] <hybrid_goth> g14: hacking like what linus did in 91 or hacking like script kiddie
[06:45] <linux_galore> yeah seen them too but also Ive seen some legal first time computer book authors distributing there books
[06:45] <g14> metalsand, Securing and optimizing linux, the hacking solution
[06:45] <g14> hybrid_goth, thats the name of the books
[06:45] <linux_galore> on bittorent
[06:45] <g14> hybrid_goth, I'll look them up on amazon if you really want
[06:45] <hybrid_goth> g14: but does it mean real hacking?
[06:45] <IIIEars> join techrepublic's mailing list. - useful info explained in terms even a newb can understand
[06:45] <linux_galore> hasnt O'Rielly just recently released a new hacking Linux book
[06:45] <gp_aaron> is there anyway to remove openoffice 1.* from ubuntu?
[06:46] <hybrid_goth> apt-get remove openoffice
[06:46] <g14> hybrid_goth, Those books are for computer security specialists (professional hackers) and much better than anything a scriptkiddy would learn
[06:46] <metalsand> gp_aaron: have you tried sudo apt-get remove openoffice?
[06:46] <ubuntuan> hello can anyone hear me
[06:46] <hybrid_goth> g14: ok cool i hate when ppl say hackin and think of illegal actions
[06:46] <ubuntuan> how do you delete folders?
[06:46] <g14> gp_aaron, open up synaptic and search for openoffice on the installed list. Then check remove
[06:46] <gp_aaron> metalsand, it asks if I want to remove ubuntu-desktop and if i say no it stops removing openoffice
[06:46] <Marble2> ubuntuan: rm -rf folderhere
[06:46] <capi> rm -rf [foldername]
[06:47] <hybrid_goth> i love linux
[06:47] <ubuntuan> thanks marble
[06:47] <g14> hybrid_goth, correct. A (good) network administrator should be a computer security specialist. For short: whitehat
[06:47] <linux_galore> hmm point gauss gun at hardisk....removes files
[06:47] <Burgundavia> gp_aaron, ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage that has deps for the all default desktop things
[06:47] <dcraven> gp_aaron: So say yes.
[06:47] <ubuntuan> i'm starting to love
[06:47] <ubuntuan> it
[06:47] <metalsand> gp_aaron: It's not reallly removing ubuntu-desktop, just say yes
[06:47] <linux_galore> heh heh
[06:47] <gp_aaron> you sure now?
[06:47] <Burgundavia> gp_aaron, you can safely remove it, just remember to reinstall it just before you upgrade
[06:47] <metalsand> gp_aaron: Yes
[06:47] <metalsand> gp_aaron: It's a config file, I believe. It's not x
[06:47] <gp_aaron> dont want to break my install
[06:48] <Burgundavia> gp_aaron, the programs are already installed
[06:48] <hybrid_goth> g14: amen
[06:48] <dcraven> gp_aaron: I removed mine too.
[06:48] <g14> gp_aaron, nautilus is your desktop. It isn't removing nautilus
[06:48] <Thirsteh> Currently instalilng World of Warcraft in Ubuntu :)
[06:48] <gp_aaron> ahh
[06:48] <pablo928> gp_aaron:my undewrsatanding is that ubuntu-dsktop is a meta package and you need to click yes....open office gone
[06:48] <linux_galore> gp_aaron: if rm -rf wont remove it that means its a system file anyway
[06:48] <Burgundavia> g14, nautilus is a file manager
[06:48] <gp_aaron> i just want to drop it in favor of openoffice 2
[06:48] <linux_galore> or owned by another user
[06:48] <IIIEars> Thirstah -good for you.
[06:48] <hybrid_goth> g14: i am not quite a hacker *yet* :P workin on it but when i am white hat :D
[06:48] <Thirsteh> IIIEars, actually, yes it is.
[06:49] <IIIEars> Ubuntu is surprisingly versatile
[06:49] <g14> Burgundavia, nautilus also draws your desktop. Don't believe me? I can show you how to prove it
[06:49] <Burgundavia> g14, no it doesn't
[06:49] <g14> hybrid_goth, if you don't like to read then forget being a hacker
[06:49] <gp_aaron> haha
[06:49] <Lafitte-> so who knows how to change the welcome screen    i would like to select a different screen to log in
[06:49] <Thirsteh> If you don't like to read, why the hell are you here? ;)
[06:49] <linux_galore> ru nautilus while in the KDE desktop.......whole bloody desktop changes
[06:49] <gp_aaron> g14, isn't the gnome desktop like macosx where finder draws the desktop?
[06:49] <linux_galore> run*
[06:49] <Burgundavia> Lafitte-, system-->admin--?login screen setup
[06:50] <hybrid_goth> g14: i have read so many tutorials heh. i have been called a hacker by many but _I_ dont think i am
[06:50] <Thirsteh> Lafitte-, System->Administration->Setup Login Screen (or similar)
[06:50] <g14> Burgundavia, ok since you know everything about nautilus... open up a terminal and type killall nautilus. Notice how your icons disappear and then reappear
[06:50] <IIIEars> just happy to have something i can connect with that doesn't need a heap of life support apps and monthly reinstallation.
[06:50] <Burgundavia> the "desktop" a whole lot of pieces tied together
[06:50] <Lafitte-> Burgundavia, heheh    ya think
[06:50] <g14> Burgundavia, it is because nautilus controls them
[06:50] <brokenladder> okay, i can accept that my screen resolution can't get any better with intel extreme graphics in linux.  but how can i make the size of things on the screen more normal?
[06:50] <Thirsteh> hybrid_goth, do you know what nmap is?
[06:50] <Lafitte-> im lamah now  grin
[06:50] <hybrid_goth> Thirsteh: yep
[06:50] <Burgundavia> g14, that is because the desktop folder is part of nautilus
[06:50] <ubuntuan> i'm outtie
[06:50] <brokenladder> the size of the screen should be independent of the resolution as long as x can detect my monitor's size.
[06:50] <Marble2> nautilus fucking sucks
[06:50] <dphase> gl4, that isn't the desktop it is a virtual root
[06:50] <ubuntuan> gotta go tinker with ubuntu again
[06:50] <Marble2> no offense to any nautilus devs here
[06:50] <Thirsteh> hybrid_goth, okay, you're not completely useless then, I guess :P
[06:50] <Marble2> but damn
[06:50] <brokenladder> no it doesn't.  it's no beos tracker, but it's decent.
[06:50] <g14> Burgundavia, You are totally oblivious to what I'm saying
[06:51] <hybrid_goth> Thirsteh: heh
[06:51] <metalsand> Speaking of what controls your deskto
[06:51] <metalsand> p
[06:51] <IIIEars> brokenladder - what did you say your resolution/vid ram was?
[06:51] <metalsand> What's the gnome panel editing program?
[06:51] <Thirsteh> brokenladder, it's probably not the graphics card, for me, I had to reconfigure my monitor settings to allow X to use a higher refresh rate and resolution
[06:51] <brokenladder> i have 64mb video ram
[06:51] <Lafitte-> Burgundavia, thanks     now to hunt down a new theme
[06:51] <Burgundavia> g14, it depends on what you call the "desktop", and whether you include the panel
[06:51] <g14> Burgundavia, install xfce4 and login to it instead of gnome. They open up a terminal and type nautilus -n or --no-default-window
[06:51] <brokenladder> i configured it in bios.  it just used shared memory
[06:51] <gp_aaron> like for the menu? metalsand
[06:51] <hybrid_goth> Thirsteh: i have nmap
[06:51] <g14> Burgundavia, the panel is not the desktop
[06:52] <brokenladder> Thirsteh, you don't say?!
[06:52] <brokenladder> but i set my monitor settings to exactly what they are.
[06:52] <Predius> Guys, could anyone help me set up php support for apache?
[06:52] <Burgundavia> Lafitte-, www.gnome-look.org
[06:52] <Burgundavia> g14, to your average user it is
[06:52] <g14> Burgundavia, if you do that, you will notice that the background image is drawn and that the gnome icons are put on the desktop
[06:52] <dphase> gl4, you're using the wrong terminology.  what your speaking of is the root window, and nautilus uses a virtual root window.
[06:52] <Thirsteh> brokenladder, in Gnome->Settings->Screen Resolution - Can you select the resolution/refresh rate that you could in Windows?
[06:52] <IIIEars> brokenladder - unless you are using a very old card with only a couple of megs of ram you should get 800x600
[06:52] <fortran01> who are the founders of Google?
[06:52] <brokenladder> Thirsteh, no.
[06:52] <brokenladder> larry page
[06:52] <Marble2> Predius: #apache
[06:53] <Thirsteh> fortran01, Google are the founders of Google.
[06:53] <gp_aaron> fortran01, me
[06:53] <brokenladder> sergey brin
[06:53] <g14> dphase, yes. root window == desktop
[06:53] <MuStR> gl4: can I use some of your time?
[06:53] <Burgundavia> fortran01, sergey brin and some other guy
[06:53] <Thirsteh> fortran01, Sergey Brin or something is the original "Hey, I have an idea"-man, and there was another guy too
[06:53] <brokenladder> i've driven by google's hq
[06:53] <IIIEars> likely you will get 1024x768
[06:53] <Thirsteh> Burgundavia, you always say what I'm about to say, before I say it :P
[06:53] <hybrid_goth> fortran01: the other guy is larry sumthing
[06:53] <fortran01> larry page
[06:53] <dphase> your desktop is more than a root window
[06:53] <fortran01> ?
[06:53] <hybrid_goth> fortran01: try twodads.tk
[06:53] <Predius> Marble2, I've done it in other distros, but after I do the apt-getting, it doesn't work, strangely.
[06:53] <brokenladder> Thirsteh, larry page?
[06:53] <Burgundavia> Thirsteh, fools seldom differ
[06:53] <g14> dphase, really? what about window managers like openbox
[06:53] <Thirsteh> brokenladder, yeah, I think so, sounds familiar.
[06:54] <hybrid_goth> brokenladder: is the hq big?
[06:54] <Thirsteh> Burgundavia, yeah, we're retards, for sure.
[06:54] <brokenladder> those are the two guys.
[06:54] <dphase> gl4, what about it
[06:54] <g14> dphase: There is no "panel" there is no start menu. Yet no one would say it doesn't have a desktop
[06:54] <brokenladder> uh..it's like a regular building in an office park a few blocks for shoreline amphitheater.
[06:54] <brokenladder> like one or two stories tall.
[06:54] <brokenladder> i know a guy who works there.
[06:54] <hybrid_goth> lol
[06:54] <krazykook> but well you can't prove anything even though the evidence is everywhere....like lives for linux before MS even had dvd authoring or....the .au sound files before MS even had wav files...and so on
[06:55] <dphase> the term desktop generally refers to the combination of apps used in your environment
[06:55] <dphase> a visual shell
[06:55] <MuStR> gl4: question
[06:55] <bitsmash> how do i install java quick and painlessly
[06:55] <MuStR> bah
[06:55] <MuStR> *g14
[06:55] <g14> bitsmash, use the ubuntu addon cd
[06:55] <dphase> window manager + session manager + panel if need + file manager if needed
[06:55] <MuStR> g14: how do I mount my swap?
[06:55] <IIIEars> lol - PARC - will be mentioned soon i just feel it.
[06:55] <krazykook> so well you just can't prove anything...you just get called insane
[06:56] <g14> dphase, That is desktop environment DE. Not desktop. Now you are using the wrong terminology
[06:56] <bitsmash> g14: why another cd?
[06:56] <krazykook> all the evidence means nothing...people can't even prove that God exists or that they exist.
[06:56] <sushiboo> hello everybody. I just got Ubuntu CDs in the mail today. (Version 5.04 for Intel x86) and I have some questions. May I pose a few questions in this chatroom?
[06:56] <g14> bitsmash, because it will easily do ita ll for you
[06:56] <bitsmash> g14: i cant just use the apt sources?
[06:56] <hybrid_goth> krazykook: did god create man or did man create god
[06:57] <hybrid_goth> sushiboo: yep
[06:57] <krazykook> hybrid_goth: interesting dilemma
[06:57] <IIIEars> sushiboo - sure, jump right in we don't bite. and if gl4 bites you at least he has all his shots
[06:57] <Burgundavia> sushiboo, shoot
[06:57] <hybrid_goth> krazykook: i say the second b/c we limit god
[06:57] <sushiboo> Thank you! I am currently running a WinXP only computer. AT this time, there is no Linux OS on my system.
[06:57] <g14> MuStR,  replace hda2 with whatever your swap partition is in your /etc/fstab file: /dev/hda2       none            swap    sw              0       0
[06:57] <hybrid_goth> sushiboo: its ok not every1 can be perfect
[06:58] <g14> MuStR, just put tabs between everything
[06:58] <sushiboo> I tried the INstall CD. And I got as far as the partitioning stage. In other words, I think I'm having problems in the partitioning stage of the installation process.
[06:58] <sushiboo> I have a 40 GB harddrive.
[06:58] <sushiboo> It's all in, um, the NTFS file format.
[06:58] <krazykook> i think the truth is that the intellectual endeavors are all full of crooks
[06:58] <MuStR> g14: my swap is hda6....
[06:58] <hybrid_goth> he
[06:58] <krazykook> they try to rob from the poor and give to the rich
[06:58] <b3ar1n0> hda2=hda2 Mustr:)
[06:59] <b3ar1n0> hda2=hda6 Mustr:)
[06:59] <MuStR> rgr
[06:59] <g14> MuStR: yep
[06:59] <krazykook> just look at student tuitions so the rich tenured professors can make even more money
[06:59] <hybrid_goth> lol
[06:59] <krazykook> they are all robbing from the poor to give to the rich
[06:59] <Burgundavia> sushiboo, you need to shrink the ntfs with something like partition magic and then install Ubuntu in the remaining space
[06:59] <IIIEars> sushiboo - if you make a mistake installing Ubuntu do you have you backed up all of your important files in windows/
[06:59] <b3ar1n0> or buy another hd:)
[06:59] <sushiboo> When I tried the "automatic partitioning" option, it said it doesn't work. There was no free space. I want to keep my WinXP.
[07:00] <sushiboo> IIIEARs, I have not installed UBuntu yet. I aborted the installation process before I went further.
[07:00] <hybrid_goth> sushiboo: i believe to dual boot you got to go expert mode
[07:00] <hybrid_goth> correct me if i am wrong yall
[07:00] <b3ar1n0> you can try livecd:)
[07:00] <sushiboo> You mean Expert Mode for Partitioning?
[07:00] <b3ar1n0> sunshiboo:)
[07:00] <MuStR> I'm going to assume I have to reboot
[07:00] <hybrid_goth> sushiboo: not 100% but maybe
[07:00] <IIIEars> sushiboo - i would use gparted or qtparted (both free partition magic equals) or buy a second hardrive - many are less than $75
[07:00] <metalsand> Can someone please explain how to set mode -i from my alias in IRSSI so I can see my nick?
[07:00] <Burgundavia> sushiboo, unfortunately, currently the installer doesn't do it for you. You need a 3rd party tool
[07:01] <sushiboo> Is that so burgundavia?
[07:01] <hybrid_goth> metalsand: what about /mode +o
[07:01] <Burgundavia> sushiboo, yep, either paritionmagic or the gparted suggested
[07:01] <metalsand> test
[07:01] <tritium> ajmitch_, ping
[07:01] <metalsand> Nope.
[07:01] <tritium> hybrid_goth, that's for ops
[07:01] <hybrid_goth> well idk
[07:01] <MuStR> does anyone know how to change the default window manager set in gdm?
[07:01] <linux_galore> o0 ( just miss read that as pervert mode )
[07:01] <hybrid_goth> oh yes heh
[07:01] <sushiboo> okay, so  paritionmagic or the gparted are freeware (or at least shareware) for WinXP, is this correct?
[07:02] <hybrid_goth> metalsand: /help mode
[07:02] <hybrid_goth> metalsand: or /help
[07:02] <Burgundavia> sushiboo, paritionmagic is not freeware, but runs on windows
[07:02] <Burgundavia> sushiboo, gparted runs on linux only. I suggest you get a knoppix live cd, as it will contain g or qtparted
[07:02] <K_Dallas> since i have found systemrescueCD, i am no more using partitionmagic
[07:03] <sushiboo> is there a free/shareware program for partitioning my Windows harddrive ?
[07:03] <K_Dallas> Burgundavia, systemrescueCD is smaller and bootable
[07:03] <sushiboo> ... that I download from the internet?
[07:03] <brokenladder> somehow my xorg.conf has no lines about vert and horz refresh rate,  can someone paste those and tell me where they go?
[07:03] <K_Dallas> sushiboo, yes, read above
[07:03] <IIIEars> partition magic is a bit pricey if you are going to buy a proprietory application check out some of symantecs offerings - they frequently offer rebates to lower the price
[07:03] <brokenladder> i know the right values.
[07:03] <Burgundavia> K_Dallas, sure that too
[07:03] <super_dude2> how do you get mplayer to do the gnome mode?
[07:03] <hybrid_goth> there is now way to ssh to a xp box is there?
[07:04] <dcraven> hehehe.. Remember shareware and freeware?
[07:04] <hybrid_goth> lol
[07:04] <hybrid_goth> dcraven: barely
[07:04] <dcraven> Man that was annoying...
[07:04] <hybrid_goth> dcraven: yes all the adware
[07:04] <IIIEars> sushiboo - yes qtparted and gparted are free - though they are usually offered as part of a live linux CD - are you using dial up?
[07:04] <linux_galore> actually qtparted and diskdrake are open source GPL... I often use PClinuxOS live cd with diskdrake to partition a hardisk total no brainer and easy for newbies.. diskdrake is very much like partition magic but with lots more Unix FS supported
[07:04] <b3ar1n0> hybrid_goth yes :)
[07:05] <dcraven> Not to mention drive lettering.. I still don't know what that was all about.
[07:05] <linux_galore> fs = file systems
[07:05] <hybrid_goth> lol
[07:05] <K_Dallas> systemrescueCD is about 140MB
[07:05] <IIIEars> nice tip K-Dallas :)
[07:05] <hybrid_goth> dcraven: networking windows is horrid
[07:05] <Enfer_Singe> hey, is there a way to boot the ubuntu live cd without loading a gui?
[07:05] <Lafitte-> what format do i need to add themes ?
[07:05] <hybrid_goth> exspecially wifi
[07:06] <K_Dallas> it supports FAT, NTFS, Ext, Reiserfs, BSD, and ..., viva opensource ;)
[07:06] <sushiboo> I'm on broadband, but I don't have a CD-rom burner, only a Cd-rom reader. IS there a free/shareware Partitioning program for Windows XP that I can download from the net, and that would allow me to partition my hard drive from the hard drive (not from CD-rom)?
[07:06] <hybrid_goth> Enfer_Singe: you can load it then sudo shutdown now and it should take you to a terminal
[07:06] <linux_galore> Im suprised the ubuntu people dont just fork diskdrake (its gtk based) and use it with ubuntu
[07:06] <linux_galore> on the install
[07:07] <sushiboo> i checked out the websites of qparted and gparted. Looks like they are for linux.
[07:07] <IIIEars> buying a second HD is a good choice they are about the same price as many retail tools and you will have a lot of extra file space
[07:07] <hybrid_goth> i wish gentoo would have a partitioner like ubuntu so i could dual boot it
[07:07] <g14> hybrid_goth, so your 14 and playing with linux?
[07:07] <linux_galore> sushiboo: you can partition a hardisk with a live CD you know
[07:07] <Enfer_Singe> hybrid_goth, well, would I have to be in gnome first to do that?  I am asking because I wanted to use a live cd on an old computer that is only 400 mhz and I am not sure how well gnome or kde would work on there
[07:07] <sushiboo> Ummm. At this time, I don't think I have any plans to buy another HD, as my 40 GB hard drive is fine.
[07:08] <hybrid_goth> g14: yep
[07:08] <sushiboo> Linux_galore, do you mean with the Ubunut Live CD?
[07:08] <b3ar1n0> sushiboo from smae hardi disk not possible i think:)
[07:08] <hybrid_goth> Enfer_Singe: it should be fine for that short time
[07:08] <hybrid_goth> g14: i have used linux for about a year
[07:08] <linux_galore> sushiboo: I havent tried Ubuntu live but there are lots of live CD's like knoppix and PClinuxOS with graphical partitioning tools
[07:08] <K_Dallas> sushiboo, may i ask what kind of partitioning you need to do?
[07:08] <Enfer_Singe> hybrid_goth, alright, Ill try it, thanks
[07:09] <hybrid_goth> forst tried it when i was 12. but it was mdk and i hated it. too windowsy
[07:09] <brokenladder> oh yes!!
[07:09] <b3ar1n0> shrink an ntfs partition k_dallas:)
[07:09] <brokenladder> it finally finally works!!!
[07:09] <hybrid_goth> EfaistOs: np
[07:09] <g14> hybrid_goth, wow! I wish I got into linux that early. I have been using computers since I was 9, but I've only been using linux off and on for about 8 years
[07:09] <K_Dallas> i see
[07:09] <K_Dallas> b3ar1n0, doesnt WinXP do that?
[07:09] <brokenladder> i have no idea why this was so hard.
[07:09] <IIIEars> sushiboo - i am new to linux and had trouble reconfiguring the grub boot loader to dua boot when Ubuntu didn't set it up correctly - lilo is worse.
[07:09] <brokenladder> wonderful.
[07:09] <hybrid_goth> g14: thank god for techtv and ibm
[07:09] <b3ar1n0> k_dallas no without lose data:)
[07:09] <K_Dallas> lol
[07:09] <g14> hybrid_goth, the screensavers :) too bad it's off now
[07:09] <K_Dallas> i never had problems with XP disk partitioner
[07:10] <brokenladder> why the heck does changing your resolution change the size of the objects on the screen, like menubars and text?  it shouldn't do that.
[07:10] <hybrid_goth> g14: yup have you seen twit?
[07:10] <metalsand> God damn G4
[07:10] <hybrid_goth> g14: twit pwns
[07:10] <IIIEars> the original host leo laporte was the best.
[07:10] <g14> hybrid_goth, I've been kinda busy lately
[07:10] <metalsand> Screen saves was awesome...
[07:10] <MuStR> ahhhhhhhhhh I have swap space. thanks, g14.
[07:10] <calc> brokenladder: probably dpi isn't set right
[07:10] <linux_galore> Im sure there is a graphical grub/lilo config tool ....... I know kde 3.4 has on in kcontrol
[07:10] <dcraven> brokenladder: what should it do instead?
[07:10] <hybrid_goth> metalsand: i second that
[07:10] <g14> MuStR, no problem
[07:10] <calc> brokenladder: or the apps don't handle dpi properly
[07:10] <linux_galore> wonder if there is a gtk one
[07:10] <calc> dcraven: should be the same size with better resolution
[07:10] <calc> dcraven: eg 72dpi vs 100dpi
[07:10] <linux_galore> <-- so used to using vi to edit his grub.conf/lilo.conf file
[07:11] <hybrid_goth> g14: ah well when you have a few hrs yes hrs check it out it has patrick leo kevin yoshi and robert
[07:11] <IIIEars> brokenladder - how much ram in your video card?
[07:11] <brokenladder> uhh...like 64mb
[07:11] <brokenladder> there was no vsync and rsync in xorg.conf
[07:11] <calc> brokenladder: i don't know if gnome/kde uses dpi for setting sizes of menu bars, etc
[07:11] <brokenladder> bizarre
[07:11] <calc> brokenladder: i think it only uses it for fonts
[07:11] <bdmp> I have  a question.  I am running kubuntu, but I did "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop " so basically I am running Ubuntu now.  The problem I was having is that automount in Kubuntu wasn't working, but it is working in Gnome now.  It's working but I don't have permissions to delete or anything. How do I change that?
[07:11] <sushiboo> Yes, you see I am currently running a WinXP computer. I'd like to install Ubuntu alongside WinXP, but the partitiioting program that comes on the Ubuntu Install CD does not seem to be able to this automatically. The partitioning program on the Ubuntu Install CD seems to be good only if you want to delete everything from the hard drive (including WinXP), and start from scratch.
[07:11] <sushiboo> That's why I'm looking for a partioning program that I can run (maybe from Windows) before running the installation of Ubuntu.
[07:12] <Thirsteh> Does anyone here know if this is valid in /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-nkc ? : options nvidia NVreg_EnableAGPSBA=1 NVreg_EnableAGPFW=1    - Not the option itself, but is making an "option" in that file after the nvidia alias allowable, will it work?
[07:12] <calc> sushiboo: partition magic should do it, isn't free though
[07:12] <hybrid_goth> bdmp: have you tried usin sudo
[07:12] <IIIEars> Squeak!$%^&*THUD^% - just fell outta my chair - the intel card you have will do 1024x768 AT LEAST - trust me on this
[07:12] <calc> sushiboo: also parted can resize and is open source
[07:12] <bdmp> but I want to use the GUI
[07:12] <b3ar1n0> no it is commercial:)
[07:12] <calc> sushiboo: so you can probably find something like qtparted or gparted on a bootable medium
[07:12] <linux_galore> bdmp: sudo rm -rf filename
[07:12] <n3m3s1s> what is the command for see "my proccesus" plz
[07:12] <Thirsteh> sushiboo, you can download Mandriva Linux, it can resize your NTFS partition, then after it has done that, just quit setup and install Ubuntu (REMEMBER TO DEFRAGMENT YOUR WINDOWS DRIVE FIRST!!!)
[07:12] <Enfer_Singe> hybrid_goth, how exactly do you even do a sudp shutdown?
[07:13] <g14> linux_galore, http://grubconf.sourceforge.net/
[07:13] <hybrid_goth> bdmp: lazy arent we use synaptic/kynaptic
[07:13] <Thirsteh> sushiboo, it's critical that you defragment your windows drive(s) first, or Windows may be unbootable after the installation of Ubuntu
[07:13] <bdmp> what does that mean?
[07:13] <IIIEars> brokenladder - keep experimenting with the settings using sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg - okay?
[07:13] <calc> Thirsteh: does that use parted?
[07:13] <hybrid_goth> Enfer_Singe: you type sudo shutdown now then it takes you to cli
[07:13] <sushiboo> okay., I'll remember to defrag my drive first.
[07:13] <krazykook> hybrid_goth: gentoo does have a partitioner....but it takes days to do a stage 1 install
[07:13] <bdmp> yse it for what?
[07:13] <Enfer_Singe> alright
[07:13] <metalsand> Applications --> system tools --> system monitor, n3m3s1s
[07:13] <hybrid_goth> krazykook: hmm
[07:13] <twobitsprite> so... I followed all the steps for DVD playback and Codecs, etc from ubuntuguide.org... and still can't get DivX AVI's to play....
[07:13] <linux_galore> g14: nice
[07:13] <Thirsteh> calc, not sure, I've heard it should be something they made by themselves, I haven't seen such an option in other Linux distribution installers.
[07:13] <sushiboo> Now, is the name of the free Windows partitioning program "also parted" or "parted"?
[07:13] <twobitsprite> mplayer just freezes
[07:13] <krazykook> hybrid_goth: even on a fast processor
[07:13] <calc> sushiboo: partition magic will handle that automatically for you as well, but is commercial software
[07:13] <bdmp> I have no idea what you guys mean
[07:14] <n3m3s1s> thx
[07:14] <hybrid_goth> krazykook: i am not on a fast processor i have a G3
[07:14] <calc> Thirsteh: ok, i tried using parted before and i couldn't make it boot w2k afterwards it told me it couldn't find ntloader
[07:14] <g14> linux_galore, They have something like that written in python they are trying to get included into breezy that I can't find atm
[07:14] <Thirsteh> G3's=300mhz+ :P
[07:14] <krazykook> hybrid_goth: well i don't know the specs on a g3...so i cannot say but a p4 takes a few days to set up from stage 1
[07:14] <sushiboo> calc, call me frugal, but I don't want to pay for any more software. I'm looking for free/shareware.
[07:14] <Thirsteh> calc, yes, that's what happens when you don't defragment the Windows drive(s) first... It sucks, I've tried it.
[07:14] <hybrid_goth> Thirsteh: no try 600-1.0gh
[07:14] <linux_galore> twobitsprite: did you install libavi
[07:14] <Thirsteh> sushiboo, did you see what I wrote? :)
[07:14] <calc> sushiboo: yea, freeware seems to be somewhat iffy in being able to handle ntfs since microsoft keeps changing it
[07:14] <krazykook> hybrid_goth: but it depends on what you want to do
[07:15] <hybrid_goth> yea
[07:15] <hybrid_goth> Thirsteh: o i c what you said
[07:15] <b3ar1n0> sunshiboo try this:) http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/
[07:15] <hybrid_goth> didnt see the +
[07:15] <n3m3s1s> i have a little problem with my daemon , when i start my computer, ubuntu has not start automaticly i must type : startx , can you help me ?
[07:15] <krazykook> hybrid_goth: the gentoo people are deeply concerned with getting good compilable code that they can steal and sell as an MS product
[07:15] <sushiboo> thirsteh, yes, you said "defrag drive first." Is this what you were referring to?
[07:15] <bdmp> Linux_galore: sudo rm -rf filename what does that command do?
[07:15] <brokenladder> thank you guys soooo much for helping me get my resolution working.
[07:15] <brokenladder> yayyyyy
[07:15] <twobitsprite> linux_galore, E: Couldn't find package libavi
[07:15] <krazykook> hybrid_goth: it all depends on what it is you want to do
[07:15] <brokenladder> is it a bad idea to copy the gnome settings from my old ubuntu system to this one?
[07:15] <linux_galore> g14: yeah as ubuntu gets used more and more by first timers apps like that need to be added
[07:15] <brokenladder> is that asking for trouble?
[07:16] <hybrid_goth> krazykook: i wanna try a source distro
[07:16] <Thirsteh> sushiboo, uhm, did you read the first part of the line? :P
[07:16] <hybrid_goth> after gentoo i plan to try lfs
[07:16] <Thirsteh> hybrid_goth, try Gentoo then.
[07:16] <krazykook> hybrid_goth: well for source there is slackware and gentoo and linux from scratch
[07:16] <sushiboo> please tell me what I may have missed.
[07:16] <krazykook> hybrid_goth: they are quite careful about things
[07:16] <hybrid_goth> Thirsteh: thats what i plan on as soon as i can figure how to dual boot it with ubuntu
[07:16] <hybrid_goth> krazykook: i have heard
[07:17] <sushiboo> I checked out http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/downloads.html. now is there something that I need?
[07:17] <IIIEars> sushiboo - if you decide a retail solution is right check out symantecs  get one of the combination packages - they are a good value and very easy to use. - though system rescue CD sounds pretty good free and only 140 megs
[07:17] <n3m3s1s> i have a little problem with my daemon , when i start my computer, ubuntu has not start automaticly i must type : startx , can you help me ?
[07:17] <krazykook> hybrid_goth: but if you just want a fast install to see what linux can do today...well just get a hoary cd
[07:17] <b3ar1n0> yes e livecd linux distro with this tools :)
[07:17] <_nate> does windows media player 9 for OSX work on linux?  has anyone tested it?
[07:17] <hybrid_goth> krazykook: i *have* hoary
[07:17] <bdmp> hybrid_goth bdmp: lazy arent we use synaptic/kynaptic What is this in refrence to? I don't understand?
[07:17] <hybrid_goth> _nateL prolly wine
[07:18] <krazykook> hybrid_goth: well ok you can look around at all the uninstalled packages in synaptic to get an idea of what linux can do today
[07:18] <sushiboo> thirsteh, if you are referring to your advice to get mandriva, the problem is I don't have a cdburner!
[07:18] <linux_galore> twobitsprite: try installing avifile-player  that should install the other stuff......you might not have a good repository though so it might be missing
[07:18] <hybrid_goth> bdmp: you dont want to use the terminal so use synaptic/kynaptic: do you know what that is?
[07:18] <_nate> hybrid_goth: nah, the one for OSX is for a unix-based system, just wondering if anyone has gotten it to work on linux
[07:18] <Thirsteh> sushiboo, oh, lol. :(
[07:18] <bdmp> for what?
[07:18] <IIIEars> synaptic is a safety net until you learn the power of apt-get
[07:18] <Thirsteh> Nice, I've unmounted a CD, but I can't eject it at all :D
[07:18] <bdmp> did you read my question?
[07:18] <hybrid_goth> _nate: oh no it is ppc
[07:18] <g14> linux_galore, Breezy is going to be awesome if they reach 1/2 of the goals here: http://tinyurl.com/b32g8
[07:18] <hybrid_goth> krazykook: why are you telling me this?
[07:19] <bdmp> I don't have permissions on auto mount usb
[07:19] <_nate> hybrid_goth: so if I had yellow-dog on a mac i could install it?
[07:19] <krazykook> g14..well if they get the source cleaned up and consistent where everything compiles properly it will be a much better product
[07:19] <n3m3s1s> what is the command for update all ? apt-cache install update?
[07:19] <hybrid_goth> _nate: maybe
[07:19] <_nate> hybrid_goth: and does it really matter?
[07:19] <g14> _nate, the binary executable type of linux and OSX are different
[07:19] <sushiboo> So let me ask again: is there no way for me to have the Ubuntu INstall CD partition my Harddriive in such a way that my WinXP stuff is kept safe (not deleted)?
[07:19] <_nate> g14: ahhhh
[07:19] <_nate> sushiboo: sure
[07:19] <hybrid_goth> i havent been succesfull with it and ydl sux ubuntu ppc is better and MPlayer out beats wm9+
[07:19] <b3ar1n0> apt-get update; apt-get upgrade n3m3s1s:)
[07:20] <sushiboo> but how?
[07:20] <Stereo> hello chaps
[07:20] <g14> _nate: linux uses ELF or a.out of the older stuff and OSX uses MACH-O or something mac proprietary like that
[07:20] <n3m3s1s> thx b3ar1n0
[07:20] <krazykook> i see a hoary dvd.iso.torrent.....but i don't see any seeds
[07:20] <g14> krazykook, thats why they have till october to clean it up
[07:20] <_nate> g14: ahh, good info, thanks
[07:20] <Stereo> I'd like to download ubuntu-5.04-dvd-powerpc.iso , but all I can find is  ubuntu-5.04-dvd-powerpc.iso.torrent. My uni's firewall prohibits bittorrent. amI screwed?
[07:20] <bdmp> hybrid_goth: I don't have permissions on my automount usb. How do I fix that that?  Can I fix that with synaptic?
[07:20] <IIIEars> sushiboo - yes but you will need to edit the "grub" boot loader if ubuntu doesn't find all of your partitions
[07:20] <linux_galore> g14: with the graphical installer they can pick and choose lots of GPL stuff already out there
[07:21] <krazykook> Stereo: yes you are screwed....the universities are the pimps of MS
[07:21] <sushiboo> there is currently only one partition on my hard drive: the one for WinXP (C: drive)
[07:21] <g14> linux_galore, the 2 best are anaconda or yast
[07:21] <IIIEars> sushiboo - print out a howto on grub before you begin.
[07:21] <krazykook> Stereo: they don't want anybody to use azureus to get a linux copy
[07:21] <hybrid_goth> bdmp: open the command line it wont bite
[07:21] <g14> bdmp, It is pretty easy to fix
[07:21] <metalsand> g14: My internal card is connected to my network
[07:21] <linux_galore> g14: naaaw Mandrake installer kills em all...used anaconda and yast dont get near Mandrakes installer for simplicity
[07:22] <MuStR> anyone know how to change the default window manager in gdm?
[07:22] <sushiboo> why do I need to learn about grub?  I'm not sure if it is
[07:22] <bdmp> so I would like to do things in the gui
[07:22] <linux_galore> g14: all GPL
[07:22] <Stereo> krazykook: aye. Especially this one.
[07:22] <Stereo> oh, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/ is what I was looking for!
[07:22] <bdmp> not have to do everything in the command line
[07:22] <Stereo> hurrah!
[07:22] <Thirsteh> Guess I gotta reboot to eject the CD, lol
[07:23] <IIIEars> susiboo - when you switch your computer on the bios hands a command to grub for dual booting
[07:23] <g14> Thirsteh, did you try right clicking on it and hitting eject?
[07:23] <linux_galore> g14: the mandrake free CD/DVD is 100% GPL no proprietry stuff at all that also includes the installer
[07:23] <bdmp> g14:if it is easy to fix, how do I do it?
[07:23] <Thirsteh> lol
[07:23] <MuStR> anyone know how to change the default window manager in gdm?
[07:23] <hybrid_goth> g14: networkmagic looks nice
[07:23] <Thirsteh> gl4, .....yes.
[07:23] <Lafitte-> sweet    im almost all set
[07:23] <Thirsteh> gl4, I/O error, I can't even press the eject button on my cdrom
[07:23] <Thirsteh> I'm talking about the eject button on the actual drive
[07:23] <k4rp0r> :D
[07:23] <Lafitte-> kelw   i fixed taps
[07:23] <k4rp0r> lol
[07:23] <g14> bdmp, open up a terminal. mount -o,user=bdmp,remount /media/mountpoint
[07:23] <Lafitte-> turned the suckers off
[07:24] <g14> bdmp, where bdmp is your linux username and mountpoint is where it is mounted
[07:24] <linux_galore> Thirsteh: if you cant eject it that means an app has locked it
[07:24] <Thirsteh> linux_galore, no, it doesn't, it's unmounted.
[07:24] <bdmp> g14: will the permissions be like that everytime I auto mount it after that?
[07:24] <hybrid_goth> dcraven: have you seen xandos? it mocks windows right down to the lettered drive like you were speakin of
[07:25] <g14> No, you need to add a line for it in your /etc/fstab with defaults,user
[07:25] <linux_galore> Thirsteh: so you did umount /dev/cdrom
[07:25] <g14> brokenladder, you want nautilus to have browsermode?
[07:25] <linux_galore> Thirsteh: type  eject
[07:25] <Thirsteh> linux_galore, lol :P
[07:25] <IIIEars> hybrid_goth - Bill Gates likely has lawyers ready to defend "The Look and Feel" of windows
[07:25] <hybrid_goth> lol
[07:25] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars: aqua is copyrighted by apple
[07:26] <bdmp> g14: so I want it to be editable from the gui everytime I auto mount. How do I do that?
[07:26] <Lafitte-> anyone  have a ricoh card reader built in laptop working ?    mine doesnt
[07:26] <Thirsteh> linux_galore, I'm not stupid, it's an I/O error. There's nothing that will make my CD drive eject.  You can find it with the mount command: type mount | grep media
[07:28] <linux_galore> no most cdroms/dvd (mine included) have a small hole in the front and behind that is a switch that resets the firmware
[07:28] <IIIEars> a new OS hasn't helped my spelling at all - grin
[07:28] <g14> IIIEars, you can use gaim for irc, it does spellcheck ;)
[07:29] <IIIEars> lol
[07:29] <krazykook> but the problem is that they have become deeply invested in the concept of intellectual property and therefore have a very disturbed and perverted mentality
[07:29] <hybrid_goth> lol
[07:29] <linux_galore> <-- on gaim
[07:29] <hybrid_goth> <---- irssi
[07:29] <linux_galore> love the spell checking
[07:29] <Thirsteh> Now that sound multiplexing works, next step for Linux revolution should be being able to unmount and eject CD's no matter how many chinese script kiddies are r00ting your box and using it.
[07:29] <linux_galore> lol
[07:29] <IIIEars> gl4 - can i mask my IP address here without using an external proxy server?
[07:29] <k4rp0r> lol
[07:30] <tritium> Good night, everyone.
[07:30] <linux_galore> Ive got 4 CD/DVD drives on this system all work fine
[07:30] <bdmp> g14: /media/sdcard1gig
[07:30] <hybrid_goth> tritium: good nite
[07:30] <g14> IIIEars, the default ubuntu firewall will close all ports and deny access
[07:30] <linux_galore> (all burners too)
[07:30] <hybrid_goth> linux_galore: change your name to input_galore
[07:30] <Thirsteh> gl4, Firestarter?
[07:30] <g14> bdmp, ok now what device is that. It should start with /dev
[07:30] <linux_galore> lol
[07:30] <hybrid_goth> ;)
[07:31] <g14> Thirsteh, thats what I use for easy firewall configuration
[07:31] <Thirsteh> gl4, Firestarter doesn't do that by default, but it's easy to configure.
[07:31] <linux_galore> hybrid_goth: naaw I keep buying bigger and bigger hardisks and i need bigger an bigger backup formats
[07:31] <g14> Thirsteh, but I like to enable and disable lots of ports
[07:31] <Thirsteh> me too
[07:31] <Thirsteh> Too bad you can't make it drop connections
[07:31] <Stereo> actually, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/hoary-dvd-powerpc.iso returns no content. Does that mean there is no way of getting a ubuntu dvd iso if you're not on bittorrent, at all?
[07:31] <linux_galore> hybrid_goth: Im just too lasy to pull the things out lol
[07:31] <g14> Thirsteh, Yes, I'm aware of this but I said the ubuntu firewall does that by default
[07:31] <linux_galore> lazy*
[07:31] <Thirsteh> gl4, and I asked you "Firestarter"?, as if, is that the standard?
[07:31] <hybrid_goth> linux_galore: heh i want an external hdd or one of those 4 gb thumb brive put gentoo on it then have like a live usb
[07:31] <Thirsteh> Or are you talking about iptables?
[07:32] <gorilla_> Thirsteh, if you are being portscanned then you are better just dropping packets... holds up the attacker no end.
[07:32] <hybrid_goth> gorilla_: how do you drop packets?
[07:32] <g14> Thirsteh, no. Firestarter is probably the best "desktop" gui for firewall configuration
[07:32] <Thirsteh> gorilla_, yes, that's why I'm saying it's sad that Firestarter won't drop packets, just refuse them (or so I think).
[07:32] <Thirsteh> gl4, nothing beats Shorewall+Webmin, sorry.
[07:32] <g14> Thirsteh, or so you think :)
[07:32] <veritas> g14: Is it possible for me to RFmon with my PCMCIA wireless NIC while being connected to the internet via my wireless internal card?'
[07:32] <IIIEars> firestarter is a good solution. very easy to install. - my curiosity was piqued with shorewall and bastille.
[07:33] <linux_galore> lol I just threw some old wool boots out and I bet my wife they would be gone under 5 min  lol she just went for a look out front and they are gone
[07:33] <hybrid_goth> lol
[07:33] <Thirsteh> linux_galore, you live in China?
[07:33] <g14> veritas, Why don't you try switching those 2 around for better sniffing results
[07:33] <gorilla_> Thirsteh, eww... that's ugly... I wasn't aware of that limitation of Firestarter (haven't used it in a while).
[07:33] <linux_galore> no Sydney
[07:33] <hybrid_goth> heh
[07:33] <veritas> g14: sniff with my internal?
[07:33] <Thirsteh> gorilla_, don't take my word for it, though.
[07:33] <g14> dropping packets refers to a firewall not responding whatsoever. It is the socalled "stealth mode"
[07:33] <hybrid_goth> linux_galore: i want to go there so bad. i have heard it is beautiful
[07:34] <hybrid_goth> g14: ok ty
[07:34] <linux_galore> I threw a whole pile of books out last week......even some old ancient Java books....whole lot was gone in 20 min
[07:34] <bdmp> g14: /dev/sda1
[07:34] <veritas> g14: the dBm of my internal is 200+ less than my PCMCIA card
[07:34] <g14> rejecting packets is where the firewall sends a message back to the computer that basicly says, "Sorry, this ports closed"
[07:34] <Thirsteh> That big shiny dome thing that looks like alot of turtle shells was designed by a dane! I'm a dane! Suck it! ;)
[07:34] <linux_galore> hybrid_goth: bit cold right now look like london
[07:34] <linux_galore> looks*
[07:34] <hybrid_goth> hmm
[07:34] <Thirsteh> gl4, reject=visible, but closed, drop=invisible and closed.
[07:34] <Thirsteh> :)
[07:34] <hybrid_goth> lol
[07:34] <g14> Thirsteh, correct
[07:35] <hybrid_goth> how do you make it drop
[07:35] <Thirsteh> Easier way of saying it
[07:35] <g14> hybrid_goth, ubuntu does it by default for the 50th time
[07:35] <linux_galore> see a webcam of jdub and the gang at an education expo here in sydney....updated every minute http://slug.org.au/~ctd/edexpo.jpeg
[07:35] <Thirsteh> hybrid_goth, try blocking a port in Firestarter, then go to www.grc.com, do the "ShieldsUP" test and specify the port, see if it says it's closed or stealth, if it's stealth, your wall's dropping
[07:35] <hybrid_goth> g14: i thot it rejected not drop all you said was ohhh
[07:35] <hybrid_goth> heh srry
[07:36] <veritas> What happens if I block port 80 :x
[07:36] <jaask> which is better for linux newbie: ubuntu or kubuntu?
[07:36] <Thirsteh> gl4, no, it doesn't.
[07:36] <bdmp> ubuntu
[07:36] <Thirsteh> jaask, Ubuntu if you like Gnome, Kubuntu if you like KDE.
[07:36] <jaask> bdmp thx
[07:36] <linux_galore> lol jdub ina orange jump suite
[07:36] <bdmp> I am a newbie and ubuntu is easier
[07:36] <hybrid_goth> kubuntu looks more like redmond
[07:36] <jaask> ok,think Im gonna try ubuntu
[07:36] <IIIEars> thirsteh - if you have a router as a gateway you will want to close the IDENT port
[07:36] <Thirsteh> gl4, I tested it after I installed Ubuntu, and my ports were closed, not stealth.
[07:36] <bdmp> I have things that don't work in kubuntu
[07:37] <jdub> oh hey
[07:37] <Thirsteh> IIIEars, I don't :)
[07:37] <jdub> chris didn't tell me about the dv cam
[07:37] <jdub> ;-)
[07:37] <bdmp> then i did apt-get install gnome-Desktop and everything works
[07:37] <sushiboo> Hello, how do I connect to the internte from within Ubuntu? My ISP says I need PPPOE software.
[07:37] <linux_galore> lol
[07:37] <g14> Thirsteh: Ok, maybe I was wrong. In reality that is still mostly irrelevant
[07:37] <Thirsteh> sushiboo, hold on a sec, I know how.
[07:37] <veritas> What happens if I block port 80 :x
[07:37] <sushiboo> I have breadband connection, but I need to enter the username and password that my ISP gave me.
[07:37] <g14> Thirsteh, Linux is mostly secure anyways
[07:38] <Thirsteh> gl4, unless you suffer from paranoia ^
[07:38] <Thirsteh> Or you are hiding from several government agencies
[07:38] <linux_galore> jdub: say hello to mohamid behind you say richard says hello and point at the webcam
[07:38] <hybrid_goth> sushiboo: i want breadband
[07:38] <bdmp> g14: did you catch that the device is /dev/sda1
[07:38] <Thirsteh> They'll prolly find you anyway, though...
[07:38] <Thirsteh> sushiboo, can I query you (priv msg) ?
[07:38] <krazykook> Thirsteh: no the FBI knows exactly where i am at.....i don't care to hide...i just want to get my papers to leave this god damned country
[07:38] <linux_galore> http://slug.org.au/~ctd/edexpo.jpeg
[07:38] <sushiboo> thirsteh, please do.
[07:39] <Thirsteh> krazykook, and I want to get the papers to enter that god damned country :\
[07:39] <g14> Thirsteh, I use CentOS4 on my servers. Here is the configuration guide I go by. http://www.cisecurity.org/bench_linux.html It doesn't get more indepth then that
[07:39] <hybrid_goth> Thirsteh: heh
[07:39] <g14> Thirsteh, that is for unclassified military networks
[07:39] <g14> *government* networks :)
[07:40] <linux_galore> jdub: on your right he has a beard
[07:40] <hybrid_goth> well yi am goin to bed
[07:40] <krazykook> Thirsteh: you want want to be here when the FBI and the State and everyone else forces you to starve without a job for 11 years and don't even give you food stamps....and those bastards steal your wife and won't let you even talk to your children
[07:40] <hybrid_goth> thank you all for the help
[07:40] <Thirsteh> gl4, I wonder what the C.I.A. uses... They probably use Windows computers with the standard "Windows Internet Connection Firewall", I bet....I bet....
[07:40] <hybrid_goth> good night
[07:41] <krazykook> Thirsteh: so i guarantee ....you do not want to come to this god-dammed country
[07:41] <g14> bdmp, yes, I was thinking something else when I told you that. You can't add static entries into your fstab for hotplug devices. As long as you plug in the device as the user, it should give your write access to it
[07:41] <linux_galore> oi stop blocking the webcam heh heh
[07:41] <g14> krazykook, watch your language man, thats  not cool
[07:41] <Thirsteh> krazykook, my fiancee lives there, it's not really an option. :)
[07:41] <bdmp> g14 it doesn't
[07:42] <krazykook> Thirsteh: well wait until the State steals her and your children and rapes all of them and will not even let you speak to them
[07:42] <Thirsteh> lol
[07:42] <krazykook> Thirsteh: and then the FBI gets into it and takes the States' side
[07:42] <Thirsteh> She already has a dishonourable discharge from the millitary, and have been in quarantine..    Auto mount wasn't working in KDE, so I was supprised when it did in Gnome.  I thought the problem was a lot larger than it was.  Watch the language
[07:46] <krazykook> g14: sorry but i get pissed every time i think about it
[07:46] <g14> krazykook, I understand but remember, we have 14 year olds in this channel :D
[07:46] <Thirsteh> Well, I'd probably be cussing much much more if that had happened to me
[07:46] <IIIEars> veritas - yes port 80 for internet and ports for ftp (20-21?)
[07:46] <Thirsteh> IIIEars, 21
[07:47] <veritas> IIIEars: Thanks
[07:47] <veritas> ANother question
[07:47] <Thirsteh> veritas, 8080 as well
[07:47] <sushiboo> thirsteh, you there?
[07:47] <veritas> Is Ubuntu installed with a VNC
[07:47] <Thirsteh> sushiboo, yep, sorry, didn't notice the msg window
[07:47] <veritas> ?
[07:48] <netsniper> how does one associate url handlers with an application, ie. I want to link "callto://" links with Skype
[07:48] <danko123456> same
[07:48] <krazykook> but those bastards steal and rape your wife and your little girls with their guns and badges
[07:49] <krazykook> they are sons of bitches
[07:49] <linux_galore> just reading a nice article that looks at the new Microsoft XBOX and how Bill Gates accidentally said basically this thing is going to shaft companies like Dell and other third party hardware makers
[07:49] <linux_galore> http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20050512.html
[07:49] <IIIEars> krazykook - you should eat something (a twinkie maybe?) and get some rest.
[07:50] <veritas> I still haven't disabled mode +i
[07:50] <veritas> So I can see my own alias
[07:50] <Lafitte-> veritas, i got the taps off
[07:50] <netsniper> where is the File Associations manager like in KDE?
[07:50] <netsniper> to use with file extansions
[07:50] <veritas> Lafitte-: What?
[07:50] <Lafitte-> veritas,  solved the typing issue for me
[07:51] <veritas> Lafitte-: Congrats :)
[07:51] <Lafitte-> veritas,  the touchpad thing from earlier
[07:51] <veritas> Lafitte-: Right.
[07:51] <Lafitte-> veritas,  it was a line need to be added to the device script
[07:51] <veritas> Ah, which line?
[07:51] <veritas> I may need it in the future ;)
[07:51] <bdmp> Anyone know how I can change my default desktop from KDE to Gnome?
[07:51] <Lafitte-> hold  ill get that info for you
[07:52] <netsniper> How do I associate "ed2k://" with aMule?
[07:52] <sushiboo> 	is there no built-in pppoe software inside Ubuntu ?
[07:53] <danko123456> bdmp: sessions when you are loggting in?
[07:53] <Lafitte-> veritas,  this site  told me    http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-27650.html
[07:53] <Lafitte-> You would addOption "MaxTapTime" "0" to disable trackpad tapping.
[07:53] <Lafitte-> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:54] <netsniper> how do i associate "magnet://" links with gnutella?
[07:54] <sushiboo> according to my isp, i connect to the internet by PPPOE. Is there a PPPOE client/software/etc inside Ubuntu (version 5.04) ?
[07:54] <sushiboo> anybody, please help.
[07:54] <netsniper> how do i associate "webcal://" links with evolution?
[07:55] <bdmp> danko123456: I just wanted to make it so I didn't have to change it everytime
[07:56] <bdmp> danko123456: I started with kubuntu, but Gnome works much better.
[07:56] <danko123456> it asks you to make it dfault
[07:56] <Lafitte-> anyone have a take on whats the best cd burning program to use with this Ubuntu ?
[07:56] <bdmp> oh i see
[07:56] <netsniper> sushiboo, sudo pppoeconf
[07:56] <bdmp> thanks
[07:57] <danko123456> yup
[07:57] <netsniper> Lafitte-, k3b is great
[07:57] <Lafitte-> netsniper,  ok   ill check it out
[07:57] <ivoks> 'morning
[07:57] <sushiboo> nensniper, thanks, but what's  "sudo pppoeconf"? I am a WinXP user, and, having just got the Ubuntu CDs in the mail today, I'm a Ubuntu dummy.
[07:57] <sushiboo> netsniper, i mean.
[07:58] <ivoks> open terminal
[07:58] <Lafitte-> netsniper,  i got gnome baker right now
[07:58] <danko123456> sushiboo: just type it in aterminal, it will guide you throgu it
[07:58] <ivoks> and run sudo pppoeconf in it
[07:58] <netsniper> Lafitte-, i never tried it -- cuz k3b is always working great
[07:58] <sushiboo> ivoks, thanks.
[07:58] <netsniper> Lafitte-, let me know if gnome-baker has more features
[07:59] <ivoks> netsniper it doesn't
[07:59] <Lafitte-> netsniper,  ok     sofar   gnomebaker looks a bit plain
[07:59] <netsniper> ivoks, dindt think so
[07:59] <ivoks> netsniper k3b is much better... but gnomebaker will be better as time passes
[07:59] <linux_galore> yeah K3B is pretty hard to beat..... Ive got 0.12 of cvs so i can do dual layer DVD's
[07:59] <netsniper> Lafitte-, k3b will even to DVD and movie encoding
[07:59] <ivoks> gnome doesn't have good burning app
[08:00] <netsniper> hehe yea
[08:00] <ivoks> but for fast to do CD's, gnomebaker is fine
[08:00] <Lafitte-> netsniper,  yeah  same for gnomebaker
[08:00] <linux_galore> theres actually a really nice DVD ripper called  DVD rippomatic  creates xvid divx rips with a few clicks of the mouse
[08:00] <netsniper> if you got an iso though, in hoary just right click and "Burn ISO Image"
[08:00] <ivoks> i know
[08:01] <Lafitte-> i want to know why some apt-get files  need to come off install cd
[08:01] <Lafitte-> why i couldnt get k3b from the web
[08:01] <netsniper> Lafitte-, remove first line of /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:01] <netsniper> should be something about CD
[08:01] <linux_galore> Lafitte-: have you updated yet if not all apt knows about is whats on the CD's
[08:02] <Lafitte-> yes i have
[08:02] <netsniper> Lafitte-, then do "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install k3b"
[08:02] <ivoks> Lafitte- then web has same version as you
[08:02] <ivoks> Lafitte- and there is no need to download same thing from net, when u have it on cd
[08:03] <Lafitte-> thats worked
[08:03] <ivoks> linux_galore try acidrip
[08:03] <Lafitte-> i ## out the cd line :)
[08:03] <Predius> Oh, Thirsteh, I just remembered, the NSA must run Linux.
[08:03] <Predius> Thirsteh, they give a special super secure kernel, I think,
[08:04] <Thirsteh> Predius, xD
[08:04] <Predius> =D
[08:04] <Predius> G'Night, all.
[08:04] <Thirsteh> nn
[08:05] <loren> how long has ubuntu been around?
[08:05] <netsniper> Predius, they run mostly Windows in fact :-)
[08:05] <linux_galore> ivoks: will do
[08:06] <Lafitte-> netsniper,  k3b looks way better
[08:06] <netsniper> i know
[08:06] <ivoks> loren one year
[08:06] <Lafitte-> netsniper,  wierd it didnt grab cdrdao file during install though
[08:06] <loren> ivoks: wow, thanks for the info, i'm impressed at it's size after only one year
[08:06] <Lafitte-> didnt grab dependencies
[08:06] <netsniper> Lafitte-, yes -- just do it manually
[08:07] <ivoks> loren it has great base to do development
[08:07] <FunnyLookinHat> anyone know why graveman would give an error "null source found" or something when I click to burn an audio CD?
[08:07] <Lafitte-> netsniper,  i did   hehe
[08:07] <FunnyLookinHat> it finds my burner drive fine and all
[08:07] <netsniper> loren, ubuntu tried to fool everyone by starting at version 4!
[08:07] <Lafitte-> netsniper,  ive looked in both  gnomebaker not as good,  has same features   but not as user friendly
[08:07] <ivoks> netsniper lol not quite....
[08:08] <loren> netsniper: rofl hahah, i was wondering lol, i wonder what they were up to ;)
[08:08] <loren> 2004?
[08:08] <ivoks> yes
[08:08] <loren> version 4
[08:08] <loren> ah
[08:08] <ivoks> 4 is for 2004
[08:08] <ivoks> 5.04 means - 2004, may
[08:08] <Lafitte-> netsniper,  k3b seems very simular to nero burning rom
[08:08] <loren> ivoks: wouldn't that mean that it should be v5.5 right now then?
[08:08] <ivoks> 2005, may :)
[08:08] <netsniper> it all seems like a nice marketing trick!
[08:08] <ivoks> fuck...
[08:08] <ivoks> :))
[08:08] <ivoks> sorry for language!!
[08:08] <FunnyLookinHat> hey now.
[08:08] <FunnyLookinHat> yea.
[08:09] <netsniper> what happens when we get to 3000?
[08:09] <ivoks> 2005.4 is 2005., april
[08:09] <loren> lol i seriously doubt you could say something that we havn't heard lol
[08:09] <linux_galore> you can get nero for linux
[08:09] <ivoks> netsniper i don't care :)
[08:09] <FunnyLookinHat> linux_galore, seriously?  free?
[08:09] <linux_galore> very ugly next to K3B though
[08:09] <netsniper> linux_galore, yes but why?!?!
[08:09] <linux_galore> FunnyLookinHat: yes
[08:09] <bdmp> Anyone know what is the wifi manager in gnome?
[08:09] <FunnyLookinHat> linux_galore, sweet... checkin packages now
[08:09] <Flav> 02:08 [ ivoks]  5.04 means - 2004, may
[08:09] <Flav> 02:09 [ ivoks]  2005.4 is 2005., april
[08:09] <linux_galore> netsniper: thats what im saying nero is damn ugly
[08:09] <bdmp> Or where it is?
[08:09] <ivoks> bdmp hm... you need wifi-manager?
[08:09] <loren> i always come in here... it's dead, and bamn it comes to life lol
[08:10] <FunnyLookinHat> blast, no nero package...  to the google i go.
[08:10] <Thirsteh> bdmp, wireless network manager/intrusion detecter, I think
[08:10] <bdmp> ivoks: how do i know if the wifi is up?
[08:10] <ivoks> bdmp there is one in netwok-admin, but I packaged one nices app
[08:10] <ivoks> bdmp run iwconfig in terminal
[08:10] <netsniper> so now that i have helped everyone else, anyone know how to change association for "ed2k://" links?
[08:10] <g14> bdmp: Use synaptic and search for netapplet
[08:10] <g14> Install it
[08:10] <netsniper> i want to set to aMule
[08:11] <IIIEars> FunnyLookinHat - linux Nero is free if you have purchased Nero
[08:11] <loren> netsniper: no idea lol, that'd be something i'd like looking into though actually
[08:11] <linux_galore> http://www.torrentspy.com/search.asp?query=nero+linux&submit.x=0&submit.y=0
[08:11] <ivoks> IIIEars doesn't sound free to me :)
[08:11] <linux_galore> for those desperate for nero
[08:11] <IIIEars> k3b works fine for me. (shrug)
[08:11] <netsniper> loren, it is very easy in KDE's File Association Manager
[08:11] <loren> netsniper: there's prolly a config file somewhere and it somehow conencts to Konqueror
[08:11] <g14> bdmp, then right click on your panel and select add. After that, find Network Selection and Monitoring Applet. That will let you know about wireless
[08:11] <loren> ah
[08:11] <Thirsteh> k3b is just as good as Nero in my opinion
[08:11] <hardcampa-> but k3b uses qt =(
[08:11] <linux_galore> K3B is so way way better than nero its not funny
[08:12] <hardcampa-> not
[08:12] <ivoks> hardcampa- lol, and nero uses wine - even slower :)
[08:12] <hardcampa-> not linux nero
[08:12] <IIIEars> hardcampa - can you point me to a page on mounting disk images?
[08:12] <netsniper> loren, no i mean that it does not asscaite with aMule!
[08:12] <linux_galore> the problem was when K3B project was started GTK was pretty broken compared to QT at the time
[08:12] <Lafitte-> netsniper, how do i get the screen back in k3b    the one wher eyou choose the task ?
[08:12] <hardcampa-> IIIEars why me =)
[08:12] <IIIEars> never mind i found it.
[08:13] <netsniper> Lafitte-, ????  just minimize the app or close it?
[08:13] <IIIEars> << just too lazy?
[08:13] <hardcampa-> =)
[08:13] <Lafitte-> i did either   im not sure
[08:13] <g14> gnome was started because the QT libs weren't always gpl
[08:13] <ivoks> g14 no :)
[08:13] <Seq> does anybody else seem to have a problem with rather slow cd rips with sound juicer?
[08:14] <linux_galore> well QT stripped the free windows version because people were abusing the license in windows its stayed GPL in Linux
[08:14] <Lafitte-> netsniper,  but i lost the first page  hehe
[08:14] <ivoks> g14 gnome didn't started because QT wasn't free
[08:14] <netsniper> Lafitte-, first page?
[08:14] <g14> ivoks, Thats what I heard in an interview with Miguel.
[08:14] <ermanox_> I have slow cd rips with grip lame and sound juicer
[08:14] <ivoks> g14 lol
[08:14] <Seq> g14: it's what I've read as well
[08:14] <Lafitte-> netsniper,  where you choose what kind of disk you are making
[08:14] <ivoks> g14 gnome was on linux distros before kde
[08:15] <g14> ivoks, He also started a company around it... ximian
[08:15] <linux_galore> ermanox: yeah but check the bittrate........if you want fast rips lower the bittrate
[08:15] <ivoks> but ok, miguel knows better, because he started it :)
[08:15] <ermanox_> ok
[08:15] <netsniper> Lafitte-, just say File -> New Project
[08:15] <linux_galore> ermanoxgrip defaults to the highest it can do on your machine
[08:15] <linux_galore> grr
[08:15] <linux_galore> ermanox: grip defaults to the highest it can do on your machine
[08:16] <ivoks> bye
[08:16] <IIIEars> G'nite
[08:16] <linux_galore> ermanoxm: means you have really good rips but at the same time its slow
[08:16] <Lafitte-> netsniper,  yeah    the screen i lost was nice though
[08:16] <Lafitte-> netsniper,  ill have to reinstall the program  to fix it maybe
[08:17] <netsniper> Lafitte-, no
[08:17] <Lafitte-> netsniper,  i think called project toolbar
[08:17] <linux_galore> most windows rippers ive seen default to 128k rips
[08:17] <linux_galore> grip Ive found will happily do a 200k+ rip
[08:17] <IIIEars> CDEX is a bit faster
[08:17] <netsniper> Lafitte-, check undr Settings
[08:18] <netsniper> Lafitte-, every gui thing is configurable under there
[08:18] <bdmp> ivoks: where is network-admin ?
[08:18] <linux_galore> <-- has a cluster so ripping a whole load of cd's isnt a hassle
[08:18] <IIIEars> (Drool)
[08:18] <Lafitte-> netsniper,   yeah   but the initial one is not for sme reason    i blew it
[08:18] <netsniper> Lafitte-, what did it say?
[08:19] <netsniper> Lafitte-, was it blue?
[08:19] <netsniper> Lafitte-, mine is Settings -> Show Project View
[08:20] <Lafitte-> it was the box at bottom  had icons like  new copy cd project  or new audio cd  or new data cd
[08:20] <linux_galore> actually making a cluster is pretty cheap with Linux.........you can grab second hand PA-RISC or ARM servers for next to nothing at an auction.....grabbed a whole pile of HP terminals for $5 ea
[08:20] <bdmp> g14: i can't find netapplet with synaptic
[08:20] <netsniper> Lafitte-, yes that is Show Project View uner the Settings Menu
[08:20] <IIIEars> hm
[08:20] <Lafitte-> netsniper,   i got it  i had to remove the other box which was above it  then add that back
[08:21] <Lafitte-> netsniper,  actually  glitch in software
[08:21] <netsniper> Lafitte-, :-)
[08:21] <Lafitte-> netsniper,  hehe
[08:21] <linux_galore> 28 node PA-RISC cluster for less than $130
[08:21] <Lafitte-> the blue box makes it look nice
[08:21] <bdmp> g14: also that path you gave me is not there. any suggestions?
[08:21] <netsniper> Lafitte-, yea
[08:21] <ivoks> hm..
[08:21] <linux_galore> each machine has a small 4.7gb scsi hardisk in it
[08:22] <IIIEars> my wife would kill me. - i'd buy her earplugs to cover the sound of all thse wirring fans.
[08:22] <netsniper> IIIEars, ever try a fanless computer?
[08:22] <g14> bdmp, you need to enable the universe and multiverse repositories in synaptic. goodnight for real this time
[08:23] <sushiboo> hello, everyone. can anyone do me a small favor right now? I'm running Windows Xp and just need someone to tell me whether "sudo pppoeconf" from the terminal works from HH 5.04 (or only from the Live CD)?
[08:23] <bdmp> g14: thanks. sorry, didn't know you were sleeping.
[08:23] <IIIEars> sounds good - what brand - looks like ebay to the rescue
[08:23] <ermanox_> anyone using/or try mini-ati systems
[08:23] <linux_galore> one small fan per node and each node is tiny and the fans dont always run...... the nodes are small terminal box's about 2" wide and 4" long
[08:23] <netsniper> sushiboo, it works, i tired it
[08:23] <sushiboo> okay, thanks.
[08:23] <netsniper> IIIEars, ebay sucks -- build yer own!
[08:23] <stuNNed> if i create custom firewall rules with iptables-save how to get it to come up at boot?
[08:23] <linux_galore> auctions ie "real" ones are cool....goto ex gov auctions
[08:24] <netsniper> stuNNed, you ever try Firestarter gui?
[08:24] <stuNNed> netsniper: yes, i don't need that much functionality, only have one rule
[08:24] <netsniper> stuNNed, hehe
[08:25] <linux_galore> stuNNed: setup firestarter and replace the firewall.sh script that firestarter loads with your iptables script
[08:25] <IIIEars> With shorewall+webmin what do you install first?
[08:25] <linux_galore> stuNNed: when you start your machine firestarter init script runs the firestarter.sh  script
[08:26] <linux_galore> stuNNed: just replace it with your own
[08:26] <IIIEars> that sounds easy
[08:27] <fortran01> Do you have ideas how I can rip my dvd and convert to vcd?
[08:27] <netsniper> fortran01, acidrip
[08:28] <fortran01> thanks netsniper
[08:28] <netsniper> http://untrepid.com/acidrip/
[08:29] <linux_galore> http://quickrip.sf.net/
[08:30] <Thirsteh> fortran01, www.ubuntuguide.org -> dvd::rip section
[08:30] <netsniper> linux_galore, seems it is knida dead?
[08:30] <linux_galore> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=9884
[08:31] <Thirsteh> IIIEars, you install Shorewall first, then Webmin in which you can configure your Shorewall easily
[08:31] <linux_galore> netsniper: yeah its changed name trying the find the new name....its called DVD rippomatic now
[08:31] <Thirsteh> IIIEars, Webmin is a webserver that you log onto and you can configure many parts of your Linux system and its servers, including Samba, NFS, iptables, Shorewall, FTP servers, etc. I love it :)
[08:32] <Flav> where's the right place to find security advisories for ubuntu?
[08:33] <zerokarmaleft> Flav, either the forum or the ubuntu-security-announce ml
[08:33] <ivoks> Flav changelog of package
[08:33] <IIIEars> Thirsteh - Thanks
[08:34] <ivoks> Flav go to /usr/share/doc/libgnutls11/
[08:34] <linux_galore> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=23843
[08:34] <ivoks> Flav and checkout changelo
[08:34] <ivoks> Flav and checkout changelog
[08:34] <linux_galore> thats a mpeg to vcd converter
[08:35] <Flav> ivoks: cool, thanks - i was kind of hoping for something like http://security.debian.org/ with an online listing, but the changelog works nicely
[08:35] <Flav> http://security.ubuntu.com/ isn't quite as nice :)
[08:35] <ivoks> Flav all packages have changelogs
[08:35] <Flav> well, at least for non-subversion purposes :)
[08:35] <ivoks> Flav changelog.Debian.gz is the one you need
[08:36] <Flav> ivoks: right, but i have to install the update to see that changelog, right?  an online one makes it easier to tell whether i need to install the package or not
[08:36] <netsniper> Thirsteh, transcode fails to install for dvdrip!
[08:36] <linux_galore> yeah heres the kde fstab editor I was trying to remember earlier for newbies
[08:36] <linux_galore> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=15185
[08:36] <ivoks> Flav true
[08:36] <netsniper> Thirsteh, "package transcode has no installation candidate"
[08:36] <Flav> ivoks: yeah, the fix is for CAN-2005-1431
[08:37] <ivoks> i think there is some on-line repo of changes
[08:37] <Flav> ah, nice - https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/usn/errorreferencefolder_view
[08:38] <ivoks> yes, that's it
[08:38] <Flav> security fixes released on friday the 13th are always going to make some subset of people nervous :)
[08:39] <ivoks> Flav you can subscribe to bugtraq
[08:39] <ivoks> Flav you'll get changes mailed to you :)
[08:39] <amaro> Hey, why is firefox in ubuntu still in version 1.02?
[08:39] <Flav> ivoks: unsub'd from that quite awhile back, too much noise relative to the small set of things i care about :)
[08:40] <loren> dunno lol
[08:40] <loren> i installed 1.03 to use the new cool themes
[08:40] <loren> but erm dunno
[08:40] <ivoks> Flav filter it
[08:40] <ivoks> Flav you can choose what mails you want
[08:40] <Flav> 1.04 is a security fix, everyone should get it or risk certain death and dismemberment, not necessarily in that order
[08:40] <ivoks> Flav not quite
[08:41] <amaro> Flav, but I just went to update manager
[08:41] <ivoks> ubuntu's 1.0.2 is patched will all sec. fixes
[08:41] <amaro> and there was a an update for firefox 1.02ubuntu
[08:41] <raghu> can anyone tell me best three mail servers?
[08:41] <ivoks> amaro install it
[08:41] <amaro> so 1.02ubuntu is actually 1.04?
[08:41] <Flav> raghu: postfix, postfix, and postfix
[08:41] <ivoks> raghu postfix, qmail, sendmail
[08:41] <netsniper> amaro, yes they ar ebackports
[08:41] <raghu> ivoks: thanks
[08:41] <ivoks> raghu in that order :)
[08:42] <ivoks> amaro yes, and there is a problem now..
[08:42] <amaro> ivoks, what's the problem?
[08:42] <raghu> Flav: thanks you are follower of postfix fromm heart and soul i guess...:)
[08:42] <ivoks> amaro mozilla filters extensions by version string
[08:42] <ivoks> amaro you have version string 1.0.2, but you have all security fixes
[08:43] <amaro> aaah
[08:43] <amaro> ok
[08:43] <amaro> then im good to go
[08:43] <amaro> Im safe
[08:43] <ivoks> amaro but mozilla will not let you download extensions and themes
[08:43] <linux_galore> here we are the home page for DVD rippomatic -> http://pingwing.xs4all.nl/view.php/page/Voorpagina
[08:43] <amaro> ivoks, that will be fixed soon, eh?
[08:44] <ivoks> this is know issue, bug has been reported and fix will be given
[08:44] <amaro> great, thank you
[08:44] <ivoks> bye all
[08:44] <linux_galore> images of dvd ripomatic -> http://pingwing.xs4all.nl/view.php/page/DVDRipOMatic
[08:44] <TheKark> ugh, i just installed kde...
[08:45] <TheKark> god it's ugly
[08:45] <linux_galore> TheKark: www.kdelook.org  the default is ugly but everything can be changed
[08:46] <TheKark> i know, but hey i could not see any links for home folder or such, and automounting wasn't working?
[08:47] <TheKark> linux_galore: Is there a .deb for dvd ripomatic?
[08:47] <linux_galore> TheKark: yeah the Ubuntu version of KDE is pretty rustic next to lets say SuSE or Mandriva
[08:47] <Cybermagellan> Can someone tell me what they think of this button http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/?q=node/3
[08:47] <linux_galore> TheKark: shrug i compiled mine
[08:47] <TheKark> linux_galore: does it work well?
[08:47] <linux_galore> TheKark: works ok found a few minor bugs but nothing to worry about
[08:48] <keymaster> Cybermagellan: very nice.
[08:50] <TheKark> linux_galore: this seems like a kde app...
[08:50] <linux_galore> Cybern: nice but the logo needs a few pixels spare around the border
[08:50] <linux_galore> TheKark: it is
[08:50] <DragoonJ> Hi
[08:50] <TheKark> linux_galore: hmm
[08:50] <keymaster> that's true, the ubuntu icon extends all the way to the edge of the button, there should be a little space between
[08:50] <Thirsteh> linux_galore, well, the way I get it, Kubuntu is the "alternative", not the "real thing" ... :S
[08:51] <IIIEars> anyone adventurous enough to have tried "LIDS" Linux Intrusion Detection System?
[08:51] <linux_galore> Thirsteh: yes but KDE is still the most prefered desktop so saying Ubuntu is GTK only is a bit dumb from a corp point of view and a community point of view
[08:52] <keymaster> IIIEars: what does it do?
[08:52] <TheKark> it is nice to have both to choose from
[08:52] <fortran01> Do you have other ideas how I can rip my dvd and convert to vcd? apparently acidrip doesn't work because my mplayer was not compiled with lame support.
[08:52] <TheKark> but kde needs setting up
[08:52] <IIIEars> It sets tighter controls on file access
[08:53] <TheKark> fortran01: check out dvd::rop
[08:53] <Thirsteh> linux_galore, that's why they created Kubuntu, but you can't expect that Kubuntu is 100% like Ubuntu, when Ubuntu is the main project
[08:53] <TheKark> fortran01: dvd::rip*
[08:53] <IIIEars> http://infosecuritymag.techtarget.com/2003/apr/linuxguru.shtml
[08:53] <keymaster> hmm, haven't tried it
[08:53] <Cybermagellan> My only problem with KDE...is the fact that it's just Windows with different apps and logos
[08:53] <Klaas> hi @ all
[08:53] <TheKark> I can't really compare
[08:54] <Klaas> jamesio still here?
[08:54] <TheKark> Haven't used kde enough to say if its good or not
[08:54] <linux_galore> Thirsteh: Im very familair with kde's underside doesnt matter what distro you give me i totally change kde into a different beast.....I dont even use the kicker task bar I use KXdocker....KXdocker works 95% like OSX's docker even has the animations
[08:54] <IIIEars> Aw hell - no install lasts forever - found a new toy. - see you in a bit.
[08:54] <keymaster> hehe
[08:54] <BBurger> Cybermagellan: like the button. have already borrowed it! would like to have smaller images available too
[08:54] <IIIEars> G'nite
[08:55] <linux_galore> Thirsteh: people see my Kubuntu install and wonder how I got OSX running on a IBM T23 laptop
[08:55] <TheKark> hmm, maybe i'll try suse some day
[08:55] <linux_galore> heh heh
[08:56] <Cybermagellan> BBurger...smaller as well....
[08:56] <goofrider_> weeeeeeee
[08:56] <linux_galore> got a pic here of my desktop see if i can grab it of the web
[08:56] <Cybermagellan> Ok, lemme see if I can get it smaller and still decent looking
[08:56] <keymaster> linux_galore: sorry, newbie question.  how do you get the osx-type desktop on ubuntu?
[08:56] <loren> anyone haveing any jack problems on their box?
[08:57] <goofrider_> keymaster, an aqua theme for Gnome? or a new Window Manager like xfce4?
[08:57] <TheKark> send a link linux_galore
[08:57] <keymaster> are you telling me or asking me?
[08:58] <keymaster> I don't know the answer
[08:58] <TheKark> goofrider_: check http://www.gnome-look.org/
[08:58] <goofrider_> keymaster, well i'm asking u what u'r looking for specifically so maybe I can help u find it
[08:58] <TheKark> i think there is one
[08:58] <keymaster> oh, well I'll take a look at this gnome-look website and see if it's on there
[08:59] <goofrider_> keymaster, I use deviantart.com for all my themes (gnome, XP, firefox, windowbinds, etc)
[08:59] <amaro> I have no idea how my 3.8 gig partition got filled up so quickly.. something is wrong...  how can I find out what's been taking a lot of space?
[08:59] <keymaster> I'm looking for that desktop that looks like OS X that VIDA Linux comes installed with
[08:59] <keymaster> oh that's cool
[09:00] <goofrider_> keymaster, that's a nice theme @ Vida. Vida uses Gnome 2.8 apparently
[09:00] <goofrider_> so i'ts not some special wndow manager at least
[09:01] <keymaster> so it's just a gnome theme?
[09:01] <bluemax> hey, when i right-click on my desktop, and that menu comes up, is that menu part of gnome or nautilus or something else entirely?
[09:01] <Burgundavia> bluemax, gnome
[09:01] <TheKark> i think nautilus...
[09:01] <goofrider_> keymaster, yes. I'm trying to figure out what the name of the theme is
[09:01] <goofrider_> they probably custom-made it though
[09:01] <keymaster> cool, thanks goofrider
[09:02] <Klaas> HI, this is the first time on ubuntu, just received an email from a friend with a movie in, .wmv, and he also gave me a song on .mp3
[09:02] <keymaster> yeah, that makes sense
[09:02] <linux_galore> kde fully themed up -> http://www.kde-look.org/content/pre1/10955-1.jpg
[09:02] <Klaas> but I cant open those two
[09:02] <TheKark> i remember opening nautilus without the --no-desktop thing in XFCE and it became the backgound
[09:02] <linux_galore> thats with Kxdocker docking bar
[09:02] <bluemax> Burgundavia: ok... what's a good window manager that would allow me to customize my own desktop right-click menu, including colors and borders of that menu?
[09:02] <TheKark> Klaas: check out the w32codecs
[09:02] <ablyss> takes a little work to play wmv files
[09:02] <Burgundavia> bluemax, no idea
[09:02] <Klaas> okje, i'll google for w32codecs
[09:03] <bluemax> does anyone else know? the only wm i know of that can do that for sure is fluxbox...
[09:03] <DragoonJ> Gigaset USB Adapter 11 <---- does this work in ubuntu?
[09:03] <ablyss> and only wmv version 9> are supported
[09:03] <Lafitte-> Klaas, hey   check this out
[09:03] <Thirsteh> Klaas, you can get win32codecs from the mirrors displayed on www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:03] <TheKark> Klaas: check out http://ubuntuguide.org
[09:03] <goofrider_> keymaster, the dock they have is just the xfce dock
[09:03] <Thirsteh> goofrider, where do you find gnome themes on deviantart?
[09:04] <keymaster> bluemax, doesn't xfce let you do that?
[09:04] <Klaas> thanks
[09:04] <goofrider_> keymaster, if u like the dock, try the xfce4 window manager
[09:04] <Lafitte-> Klaas, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[09:04] <TheKark> linux_galore: wow amazing
[09:04] <Klaas> okej, i'll check that out, thank you
[09:04] <Lafitte-> Klaas,  go to the page i gave you   it has all the commands cut and paste to add everything you are missing
[09:04] <ablyss> xfce has no desktop per se.. but a background image and a right click menu
[09:04] <bluemax> keymaster: i'll look into that
[09:04] <keymaster> hmm, ok goofrider I'll try it, thanks for finding that for me.  I actually did look and I couldn't find it
[09:05] <DragoonJ> Gigaset USB Adapter 11 <---- does this work in ubuntu?
[09:05] <ablyss> sort of stupid if you ask me why xfce uses $HOME/Desktop/autostart
[09:05] <goofrider_> Klaas, use backports.ubuntuforums.org for w32codecs, don't use Marilat (as recommended by ubuntuguide.org)
[09:06] <ablyss> why not put the folder in $Home directory? xfce hello earth to xfce
[09:06] <goofrider_> ablyss, well there's the xfce dock
[09:06] <Klaas> thakns goofrider
[09:06] <Klaas> thanks I mean
[09:06] <goofrider_> Thirsteh, use the filter menu to narow your search
[09:06] <DragoonJ> http://communications.siemens.com/cds/frontdoor/0,2241,hq_en_0_15716_rArNrNrNrN_pageType%253ADescription,00.html
[09:07] <Lafitte-> goofrider,  it all worked for me
[09:07] <TheKark> god dialup blows
[09:07] <DragoonJ> does that work on/in ubuntu
[09:07] <goofrider_> Lafitte-, yeah but Marillat's repo can break the system.  KDE over remote X is awful though
[09:11] <goofrider_> TheKark nautilus --no-desktop    ivoks goofrider nautilus --no-desktop    ablyss you can run nautlis w/. out starting the desktop by typing nautilus -no--desktop
[09:11] <goofrider_> yes i got it thanks guys :)
[09:11] <Cybermagellan> I have to go to bed....if anyone wants me to do a type of "special request" banner or button then send me an E-mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:11] <goofrider_> boviously I'm a fucktard  LOL
[09:12] <bluemax> i'm looking to switch to another window manager, but i just don't know which one. i really want something where i can customize *everything* but is fast and at least semi-user friendly
[09:12] <goofrider_> bluemax, xfce or fluxbox
[09:12] <ivoks> fluxbox isn't that fast...
[09:12] <ivoks> it loads longer than xfce :)
[09:12] <TheKark> fluxbox is sooo slow
[09:13] <TheKark> 10 min to load up
[09:13] <bluemax> hmmm i think i'll try out xfce first
[09:13] <keymaster> Cybermagellan have you designed any bumper stickers?
[09:13] <TheKark> so much eye candy though
[09:13] <TheKark> :)
[09:13] <ivoks> even gnome is better
[09:13] <goofrider_> so I guess the consensus is xfce is the fastest and friendliest
[09:13] <ivoks> goofrider i don't think so
[09:13] <TheKark> yup
[09:13] <ivoks> xfce is copy of something really good
[09:13] <goofrider_> well then what?
[09:13] <Vjaz> bluemax: FVWM lets you customize *everything* [tm]
[09:13] <ablyss> friendliest imho is nautilus ( at least on ubuntu )
[09:13] <goofrider_> icewm?
[09:14] <TheKark> i tried a bunch of others icewm, blackbox, fluxbox
[09:14] <Thirsteh> Ughhhh!
[09:14] <ablyss> assuming you're using the ubuntu non kde version
[09:14] <TheKark> xfce is more friendly that the ones I listed off
[09:14] <Vjaz> bluemax: Meaning it's not much anything by default. But with a little work...
[09:14] <ivoks> blackbox is ok
[09:14] <Vjaz> bluemax: Or a lot of work...
[09:15] <ivoks> or openbox
[09:15] <ivoks> but fluxbox...
[09:15] <ivoks> omg
[09:15] <ablyss> xfce is the craps for smb4k file transfers.. only thing i've got work is xffm and its to goofy.. but nautilus behaves a little better
[09:15] <bluemax> vjaz: thanks i'll check that one out too
[09:15] <ivoks> one wm to rule them all - wmaker
[09:15] <Lafitte-> sudo apt-get install w32codecs   doesnt this work ?
[09:16] <bluemax> but gnome is just too limiting for my artistic needs :)
[09:16] <amaro> a lot of the /usr/lib/ files are taking a whopping 1 gig
[09:16] <goofrider_> ablyss, nautilus is just the file manager. The default desktop environment is gnome in ubuntu
[09:16] <HappyFool> Lafitte-: you probably need to set up what repositories to use
[09:17] <goofrider_> ablyss, and if u run xmb4k in xfce, u'r still using KDE's kio vfs for file xfer. xfce doesn't have it's own vfs API
[09:17] <HappyFool> Lafitte-: try http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats or http://ubuntuguide.org
[09:17] <ablyss> hehe
[09:17] <ablyss> wmaker is pretty nice
[09:17] <ablyss> er, smb* smb4k is a kde proggy if i remember correclty
[09:17] <goofrider_> ablyss, just #mount -t smbfs your remote share and u bypass vfs altogther
[09:17] <jeffco> hello
[09:18] <jeffco> I just installed Ubuntu onto my PC. How do I update the software?
[09:18] <goofrider_> jeffco, use synaptic
[09:18] <ablyss> i think my ISP burped
[09:20] <jeffco> is there a way to have synaptic check ALL software for any updates?
[09:21] <goofrider_> jeffco, mark all upgrades, then apply
[09:24] <BBurger> Cybermagellan: sorry, was away from comp. for a mo. repost URL pls?
[09:25] <jeffco> according to http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/, the latest version for linux is 1.0.4, but according to synaptic, the latest version is 1.0.2 ubuntu?
[09:25] <jeffco> Why the difference?
[09:26] <jeffco> hello?
[09:27] <HappyFool> firefox won't be updated, but security fixes will be back-ported
[09:27] <BBurger> Cybermagellan: never mind, had bookmarked. like the smaller version!
[09:27] <jeffco> happyfool, what do you mean?
[09:27] <HappyFool> so the 1.0.2 in ubuntu-hoary 1.0.2 + all security fixes available
[09:27] <jeffco> but according to firefox website, the latest version is 1.0.4.
[09:28] <HappyFool> yes, in hoary it won't be upgraded to 1.0.4
[09:28] <HappyFool> it was 1.0.2 when hoary froze
[09:28] <HappyFool> when breezy is released (in october?) the version number will bump up, to whatever is available at freeze time
[09:28] <jeffco> So you mean it won't work if I try to download 1.0.4 from firefox's website?
[09:29] <goofrider_> jeffco, add hoary-packports to your sources.list
[09:29] <HappyFool> it probably will
[09:29] <jeffco> how do i do that?
[09:29] <goofrider_> jeffco, there's a firefox 1.0.3 in backports
[09:29] <jeffco> what's backports/packports?
[09:29] <goofrider_> jeffco, http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ there's insrtuctions there
[09:29] <tritium> goofrider, but as HappyFool is saying, security fixes are backported into the version in Hoary
[09:29] <jeffco> SOrry, it's my first day on ubuntu.
[09:29] <tritium> No need for the backports repo
[09:29] <ivoks> tritium there is, acctually
[09:29] <goofrider_> tritium, oh is it ion hoary-security? my bad.
[09:29] <Chameleon22> how can i change my monitor settings ... just got a new monitor so need to make refresh and res higher and dont know how
[09:30] <tritium> goofrider, yes
[09:30] <ivoks> tritium try to download extensions/themes with any ubuntu firefox
[09:30] <goofrider_> jeffco, u still need to uncomment hoary-security in your sources.list
[09:30] <HappyFool> tritium: is this policy outlined anywhere on the website/wiki? it's certainly a FAQ (especially for firefox, for some reason)
[09:30] <tritium> e.g., apt-cache policy mozilla-firefox shows 1.0.2-0ubuntu5.2 is from hoary-security
[09:31] <ivoks> HappyFool ?
[09:31] <tritium> HappyFool, not that I'm aware of...
[09:31] <jeffco> goofrider_, how do I uncomment hoary-security in your sources.list?
[09:32] <nubious> does anyone know if it's possible to install KDE into ubuntu without redloading the kubuntu distro?
[09:32] <goofrider_> it's in /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:32] <nubious> I run Hoary
[09:32] <goofrider_> nubious, apt-ger install kunutu-desktop
[09:32] <nubious> cool
[09:32] <jeffco> please explain. yesterday, i was on WinXP. Today I'm on Ubuntu. It's my first day on Ubuntu.
[09:32] <goofrider_> nubious, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:32] <nubious> yeh.. sudo
[09:32] <tritium> jeffco, we're glad you've tried it :)
[09:32] <nubious> thx tho :)
[09:33] <nubious> sweet
[09:33] <nubious> in the works
[09:33] <HappyFool> can't one use synaptic to do all that?
[09:33] <goofrider_> jeffco, use gedit to open the file /etc/apt/spurces.list/
[09:33] <nubious> HappyFool: synaptic doesn't have EVERYTHING listed, I dont think.. could be wrong tho
[09:33] <goofrider_> jeffco, use gedit to open the file /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:33] <jeffco> tritium, i like the look of ubuntu. actually, it was practically my only choice, since I have no cd-burner (only a cd-rom reader) and Ubuntu sent me the disc today!!!
[09:33] <tritium> jeffco, nice!
[09:33] <nubious> jeffco: you can dload almost any distro from the net..  that assume you have highspeed though
[09:33] <jeffco> goodbye winXp.
[09:34] <jeffco> i can download, but i can't burn!
[09:34] <goofrider_> jeffco, or maybe u can add it in Synaptic using the Repositories menu item
[09:34] <goofrider_> I'm on an XP box (at a friend's house) so I can't confirm
[09:34] <HappyFool> well, under synaptic, Settings -> Repositories ->Add, there's a nice looking dialog box ;)
[09:34] <goofrider_> HappyFool, well but u can't see the **commented out** hoary-secuirty line, AFAIK
[09:35] <jeffco> once I'm on a linux OS, is it possible to try out other distros without burning them onto a CD? IOW, is it possible to install other distros purely from HD?
[09:35] <goofrider_>  the "custom" button might have hoary-secuirty built-in as an option though
[09:35] <nubious> jeffco: you could check out "vm-ware" - although I just clued into your burner problem.. dloading the distro would assume you have a burner.. you could maybe do a network install though
[09:35] <ivoks> jeffco yes
[09:35] <ivoks> jeffco vm-ware
[09:35] <goofrider_> jeffco, u cn, but probably not a good idea for nrecomers. it can be itimidating
[09:35] <shinu> anyone using adblock in firefox here? (i asked on #firefox and #mozilla the other day but they were dead)
[09:36] <ivoks> nubious vm ware can boot from .iso image
[09:36] <goofrider_> ivoks, nah, I'm thinking debootstrap
[09:36] <jeffco> what's intimidating?
[09:36] <Muiske> Hello all... I have a question regarding the screen resolution and refresh rate of Ubuntu / Gnome. I have edited the xorg.conf file to add resolutions and refresh rates up to 1600x1200@75 Hz (something my monitor could easily handle) but whenever I change the resolution over 1024, the refresh rate gets stuck at 60 Hz... What should I do to change this? At least 85 Hz at 1200 should be great.
[09:36] <nubious> ivoks: true.. I was thinking if he decided to make the full switch tho
[09:36] <ivoks> goofrider he's newebie
[09:36] <jeffco> nubious, full switch from what to what?
[09:36] <HappyFool> jeffco: are you running synaptic?
[09:36] <goofrider_> vmware i $400
[09:36] <goofrider_> vmware is $300
[09:37] <goofrider_> or something
[09:37] <jeffco> what do you mean running synaptic?
[09:37] <goofrider_> though there's a eo-day trial