[00:00]  * jasono is back (gone 00:07:59)
[00:02] <geirha> Red-Raven: Missing a / there ... and of course, be careful you get the last letter right ;)
[00:02] <geirha> !away | jasono
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[00:03] <jasono> okey
[00:03] <jasono> sorry
[00:05] <geirha> No worries
[00:25] <egossett> how do we know if we are being noisy
[00:39] <johnny77> I'm running fluxbox, installed from Ubuntu 10.10. - I just opened Update Manager. It lists 4 updates, but when I click installed updates, it does nothing.
[02:12] <JackyAlcine> The channel's pretty quiet tonight.
[02:13] <JackyAlcine> techmik67; did you fix your issue with the kernel?
[02:17] <techmik67> yup
[02:17] <techmik67> well
[02:17] <techmik67> not the kernel issue, but i got my usb wifi working again
[02:17] <techmik67> http://pastebin.com/vTMNDNWR
[02:18] <techmik67> i still get that error msg on boot, but it doesn tseem to affect anything....
[02:19] <JackyAlcine> hm, and I don't see any way of repressing neither.
[02:19] <techmik67> i thought it was part of my wifi problem, but i guess not
[02:19] <techmik67> and modules.dep DOES exist, anyway.....
[02:20] <techmik67> so i'm ok
[02:20] <techmik67> want to share that fix though... i'm sure i'm not the only person who wants to use that adapter
[02:25] <JackyAlcine> Post in on http://www.ubuntuforums.com/
[02:29] <JackyAlcine> I need to know your kernel version, naresh_
[02:29] <naresh_> hi...
[02:30] <naresh_> im new to ubuntu, i installed ubuntu 10.10
[02:30] <naresh_> well, i have an issue in setting up wireless on my laptop
[02:34] <JackyAlcine> What's the version of your Linux kernel, naresh_? Like v 2.26-35.24? You can find it in System Mointor's first tab.
[02:36] <naresh_> 2.6.35-22-generic
[02:41] <JackyAlcine> What exactly is the issue with your setup?
[02:41] <JackyAlcine> Connectivity? Configuration?
[02:43] <naresh_> i could able to see wireless network showing up in network list...
[02:44] <naresh_> i have doubts on BSSID  and clone mac address in wireless setup..
[02:44] <naresh_> configuration problem...
[02:45] <JackyAlcine> So you can't go online (doubting) or is it just a network setup?
[02:45] <JackyAlcine> Can you provide me with a screenshot? (http://www.imagebin.com)
[02:45] <naresh_> sure
[02:55] <naresh_> http://imagebin.us/viewer.php?file=qqsuinpecv8gg43rt6lo.png
[03:00] <naresh_> i can only connect thru wired.. not from wireless
[03:01] <JackyAlcine> naresh_: When you click on the NetworkManager indicator; does it show Enable Wireless to be checked or greyed out?
[03:03] <naresh_> i could not see it...i could only see enable networking
[03:04] <JackyAlcine> Hm, your wireless driver might not be supported.
[03:05] <naresh_> do i have to install any driver?
[03:05] <JackyAlcine> Yes. And your kernel's 35-generic?
[03:06] <JackyAlcine> sudo apt-get install linux-backports-modules-wireless-maverick-generic
[03:06] <naresh_> yes
[03:07] <JackyAlcine> That instruction should download the correct drivers for your system.
[03:07] <JackyAlcine> You can also find it in Synaptic.
[03:08] <naresh_> i got unable to locate package
[03:10] <naresh_> my kernel is linux 2.6.35-22-generic
[03:11] <JackyAlcine> open up Synaptic and search for linux wireless modules
[03:14] <naresh_> there is pcmciautils
[03:31] <naresh_> what is Cloned Mac Address for setting up wireless network?
[03:33] <asterismo> hi people, its been so long...
[03:45] <JackyAlcine> naresh_: It's unnecessary for a wireless connection, but it's the MAC address that your device would take when connected to that network.
[03:47] <naresh_> JackyAlicine_: I have given Mac Address of Router, but for Cloned Mac Address i dont know what should be provided...!!
[03:49] <JackyAlcine> You can leave it empty; most connections don't require it unless it filters the MAC addresses.
[03:49] <naresh_> ok..
[03:49] <naresh_> and is BSSID is same as SSID- that is name of wireless connection that we wanted to connect right?
[03:50] <JackyAlcine> Yup.
[03:52] <naresh_> in the screenshot i think, i have provided all these details, but not sure if any other details to be provided to fix this issue..
[03:52] <JackyAlcine> yeah, neither can I. I'm sorry.
[03:53] <naresh_> np..
[06:27] <a4able> wifi not working in my dell netbook
[06:27] <a4able> works well in windows
[06:27] <a4able> pls help
[06:41] <yax51_> a4able: what version of ubuntu you running?
[06:42] <yax51_> a4able: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WiFiHowTo
[07:25] <jermza> When I click on Places, my home directory appear, as they should.  For some reason, one of my folders OUTSIDE of the default "Music" "Videos" etc is appearing in the dropdown menu.  Its not supposed to be there.
[07:42] <bioterror> seems like there's no opensource solution for pdf to doc or excel
[07:43] <JackyAlcine> PDF to excel? Never seen that.
[07:43] <JackyAlcine> But yeah, PDF to Doc opensource is depressing. =/
[07:44] <hobgoblin> morning
[07:44] <bioterror> I just used a website to do it
[07:44] <bioterror> :D
[07:50] <bioterror> and that looks like a puke :D
[07:50] <bioterror> not my problem, I think :D
[08:11] <geirha> Meh, open the pdf, Ctrl+A Ctrl+C, open OpenOffice Writer, Ctrl+V and save ;P
[08:36] <bioterror> geirha, doesnt work with evince
[08:36] <bioterror> as this is a scanned pdf
[08:55] <geirha> Ah, so you need OCR software
[09:21] <hobgoblin> Dutch70: imagine seeing you in here :)
[09:32] <Dutch70> heya forest...lol. How are ya?
[09:33] <Dutch70> I mean "hobgoblin"
[09:35] <hobgoblin> Dutch70: pretty good ty - you?
[09:38] <Dutch70> >hobgoblin: I'm good thanks. I've just started coming here recently. I really like it.
[09:39] <Dutch70> how do you reply directly to me?
[09:40] <Dutch70> I just typed your name in there. obviously :))
[09:40] <hobgoblin> tab complete - type ho<tab>
[09:41] <Dutch70> hobgoblin: Nice!!!
[09:42] <hobgoblin> :)
[10:18] <Dutch70> I'm trying to install Qemu via sudo aptitude install qemu qemulator. and I'm getting....." sudo: aptitude: command not found" Is that right?
[10:19] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[10:19] <swoody> heya Silver_Fox_ :)
[10:19] <akshatj> hello Silver_Fox_
[10:19] <Silver_Fox_> Hi swoody , it has been too long!
[10:19] <Silver_Fox_> How are you swoody  ?
[10:19] <swoody> Silver_Fox_: no kidding! :D
[10:19] <Silver_Fox_> Hello akshatj
[10:20] <swoody> doing very well, ty
[10:20] <Silver_Fox_> Good good
[10:20] <swoody> Silver_Fox_: just landed another raise and a promotion at work, and I start school tomorrow
[10:20] <swoody> how's things going with you? :)
[10:20] <ChrisDruif> Dutch70: It should just work, just tried it myself..
[10:20] <Silver_Fox_> swoody,  Sounds good, very good infact :)
[10:21] <ChrisDruif> @ the rest: maybe better to this in -team?
[10:21] <hobgoblin> Dutch70: install aptitude first or use apt-get
[10:21] <swoody> Silver_Fox_: \o/ I'm happy for you
[10:21] <hobgoblin> ChrisDruif: lol
[10:21] <ChrisDruif> hobgoblin: Isn't aptitude not installed by default?
[10:21] <hobgoblin> Dutch70: aptitude was removed from the default install
[10:21] <hobgoblin> ChrisDruif: no longer
[10:22] <Silver_Fox_> Correct @ hobgoblin
[10:22] <ChrisDruif> Ow....on my box it's installed....but I can't remember if I manually installed it...I didn't think I did...
[10:22] <hobgoblin> clean install?
[10:22] <ChrisDruif> hobgoblin: Mine?
[10:23] <hobgoblin> yea
[10:23] <ChrisDruif> No, my installs don't stay clean for long :)
[10:23] <hobgoblin> sigh - was it a clean install or an upgrade, an upgrade would still have aptitude a clean install would need it installing
[10:24] <Dutch70> hobgoblin: when I try to install aptitude, I get "Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) for starters. Is
[10:24] <ChrisDruif> Ow...fresh install it was :)
[10:24] <hobgoblin> Dutch70: you might be using something else - synaptic/add remove
[10:24] <ChrisDruif> Dutch70: Is some other package manager open atm?
[10:24] <hobgoblin> Dutch70: only one at a time :)
[10:25] <Dutch70> ChrisDruif: ahh, I think so
[10:25] <hobgoblin> close it :)
[10:25] <ChrisDruif> hobgoblin: tag-team yeah :D
[10:26] <Dutch70> LOL
[10:26] <hobgoblin> :)
[10:26] <hobgoblin> Dutch70: are you all straight with the update manager thing now - from the forums?
[10:27] <Dutch70> I think so, but I'm still getting "E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)  when I try to install aptitude
[10:33] <Dutch70> hobgoblin: as a matter of fact, Igot here from the link in your sig :))
[10:33] <ChrisDruif> Dutch70: Did you close any program which might lock it? Think of Ubuntu Software Center, Synaptic, (Add/Remove Software in older versions of Ubuntu), other terminal installing software?
[10:33] <hobgoblin> Dutch70: excellent - glad it works then :)
[10:34] <Dutch70> ChrisDruif: There's a good possibility that I did, I've done a lot of install/uninstalls lately.
[10:34] <Dutch70> I wouldn't know what though
[10:35] <ChrisDruif> Dutch70: I mean that they might be running right now :)...
[10:36] <ChrisDruif> Did you close any installation before it was done?
[10:36] <Dutch70> I don't think so, but a reboot would fix that...correct?
[10:37] <hobgoblin> http://www.uluga.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=6163794&postcount=6
[10:37] <ChrisDruif> Not always...
[10:37] <hobgoblin> Dutch70: or that ^^ link - make sure you really don't have any of them open though - check the sys monitor
[10:38] <Dutch70> ok...I'll check that, thanks
[10:39] <Dutch70> be right back
[10:40] <hobgoblin> that'll be a reboot then ;)
[10:41] <ChrisDruif> I think he will O:-)
[10:41] <hobgoblin> I'm sure - I know him for a long while :)
[10:42] <ChrisDruif> Alright, my first meeting with him :)
[10:43] <hobgoblin> ChrisDruif: I know him from the forums - he followed the link in my forum sig to here
[10:43] <ChrisDruif> Yeah, I read :)
[10:44] <hobgoblin> that link seems to work quite often :)
[10:45] <ChrisDruif> I'll take a looksy at your link...I'll add it to my own :)
[10:45] <ChrisDruif> Made my forum account just yesterday :) (I'm not really a forum kinda guy)
[10:45] <ChrisDruif> Welcome back Dutch70 :)
[10:46] <hobgoblin> ChrisDruif: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10370629&postcount=2
[10:46] <hobgoblin> Dutch70: all ok now I trust
[10:46] <Dutch70> Seems to be...a reboot took care of it.
[10:47] <Dutch70> as much as I hate to say that :))
[10:47] <hobgoblin> nice - you didn't need to reboot - that command would have done it :)
[10:48] <ChrisDruif> What I would've said :)
[10:48] <ChrisDruif> A reboot rm'd that lock-file
[10:48] <hobgoblin> yep
[10:49] <Dutch70> I tried that command first
[10:49] <ChrisDruif> That didn't work? :-/
[10:49] <Dutch70> nope, it didn't do anything.
[10:49] <hobgoblin> that's odd
[10:50] <Dutch70> straight back to my name.
[10:50] <hobgoblin> that should of done it then, did you try using whatver failed
[10:51] <Dutch70> oh...hahaa...no
[10:51] <hobgoblin> Dutch70: if you run a command and it goes back to your prompt - it's done what you asked it to do
[10:51] <Dutch70> lmbo
[10:51] <hobgoblin> :)
[10:51] <ChrisDruif> Dutch70: It doesn't confirm it removed anything (no terminal spam ;))
[10:52] <Dutch70> live & learn I guess, or...linux & learn :)
[10:52] <ChrisDruif> It only tells when something didn't remove :)
[10:52] <Dutch70> that's good info & I should have known that
[10:53] <hobgoblin> well you do now - such is learning :)
[10:53] <ChrisDruif> Dutch70: I presume your used to GUI's :) You visually see that it's removed...
[10:56] <Dutch70> yes, I started on Ubuntu a couple years ago,  but got away from it until recently. Forgot everything
[10:58] <ChrisDruif> Well, there are multiple ways to check if it's really gone :)
[11:00] <Dutch70> hows that?
[11:03] <ChrisDruif> Is the folder that contained the file "ls /var/lib/dpkg"
[11:03] <ChrisDruif> Might be "ls /var/lib/dpkg/"
[11:05] <ChrisDruif> I can't remember exactly, but touch /var/lib/dpkg/lock to see if it's there works (afaik, don't know for sure)
[11:05] <ChrisDruif> Or navigate to the folder where it was and see visually if it there....or just try to do what was lock...
[11:07] <ChrisDruif> But in this case, I would suggest the last one :)
[11:07] <Dutch70> ok...did the 2nd option...lol. It installed Aptitude & Qemu
[11:08] <ChrisDruif> Alright :)
[11:08] <Dutch70> Thanks a lot guys, I really apprectiate it.
[11:09] <Dutch70> wonder what I'm gonna break today? or should I say "first today" lol
[11:10] <ChrisDruif> Dutch70: If you a bit careful, nothing much? :)
[11:10] <Dutch70> For some reason I like to take risk, that's why I have my 10.10 CD right under my keyboard...lol.
[11:11] <ChrisDruif> xD
[11:11] <ChrisDruif> Maybe dual-boot? So you have one working install at all times?
[11:12] <hobgoblin> good plan - I used to do similar
[11:12] <Dutch70> I have Vista & Ubuntu dual boot, was thinking about triple booting with either Kubuntu or Mint though
[11:12] <hobgoblin> or even a VM to play and break ,then you can use snapshots and just go back
[11:13] <ChrisDruif> Kubuntu...meh
[11:13] <ChrisDruif> I'm not a KDE fan :)
[11:13] <Dutch70> yeah...that's why I was checking out Qemu, hoping it's better than virtualbox. I couldn't get it to recognize my 2nd CPU
[11:14] <ChrisDruif> You've got 2 CPU in your machine? Awesome :D
[11:14] <Dutch70> I did an actual install of Kubuntu, but couldn't get enough commands figured out to stick with it.
[11:14] <Dutch70> yeah, but a crappy graphics card
[11:15] <ChrisDruif> Graphics cards are for gamers :P Most of the time anyway :)
[11:15] <Dutch70> got another pc with triple core processors, and a nice graphics card but it needs a motherboard...lightening :(
[11:16] <Dutch70> yeah, not much of a gamer, but my Intel kept freezing
[11:16] <Dutch70> til I found a workaround
[11:17] <ChrisDruif> Ow, you've got a dual-core? Not two separate CPU's?
[11:18] <Dutch70> I guess, but it shows up as 2 on the host OS, and only 1 in VB
[11:18] <ChrisDruif> In the settings of VB you can select how many cores you can use...did you know that?
[11:19] <ChrisDruif> And yes, Ubuntu might show it as 2 CPU's....but that is because you CPU can handle 2 physical jobs at once :)
[11:20] <Dutch70> oh...so that's how it works.
[11:21] <Dutch70> I think I read somewhere that you had to do something with your kernel to get it to show the 2nd cpu
[11:21] <Dutch70> or maybe it was your bios & mine didn't have that option, can't really remember
[11:24] <Dutch70> and actually I installed Qemulator, can't find Qemu
[11:31] <ChrisDruif> Qemu is prolly term app...don't know, just guessing...the background service for it :)
[11:35] <Dutch70> yeah, I think they
[11:35] <Dutch70> changed it...kvm or something
[11:39] <hobgoblin> Dutch70: have you seen the wiki page for it?
[11:40] <hobgoblin> actually ignore that ...
[11:42] <Dutch70> hobgoblin: I think I've got it
[11:42] <Dutch70> have to check later though...gotta go for now. ttyl
[11:45] <ChrisDruif> ttyl
[13:42] <MrChrisDruif> Hai all again :)
[14:41] <upsla> usb adsl modem connection problem. currently using ubuntu 10.10 as second OS in my computer. suggestions are invited :)
[14:46] <upsla> usb adsl modem connection problem. currently using ubuntu 10.10 as second OS in my computer. suggestions are invited :)
[14:48] <aveilleux> upsla: We heard you the first time. Also, we need more details, such as: what make/model modem, what methods you have tried, and what symptoms of the problem you are experiencing.
[14:52] <upsla> my modem model is:beetel 100 cx .the modem light is on when plugged into computer.it is listed in lsusb command.i tried the cxacru patch and sudo pppoeconf etc.dmesg shows that adsl is up training done and shows up and down speed.but yet i am not connected to internet .
[14:53] <aveilleux> upsla: Does network-manager-gnome have a connection? ie. is the connection recognized
[14:53] <upsla> aveilleux:no
[14:53] <aveilleux> hm
[14:54] <geirha> Does ''ping <IP_ADDRESS>'' give any replies?
[14:55] <upsla> and the for your information the modem does not have any ethernet ports only usb. the modem works fine in windows thats why i able to chat now.
[14:56] <upsla> geirha:i tried different sets of ip's and each i get unkown host .
[14:58] <geirha> upsla: That suggests you used a hostname, not IP. I was thinking maybe dns wasn't set up properly.
[14:59] <trinikrono> upsla: did you set it up in network manager?
[14:59] <geirha> That ip is one of the ips for google.com
[15:00] <upsla> geirha:i tried i get the message .ah i forgot the message .i think message shows no active connection
[15:01] <geirha> upsla: Ah ok. Hm.
[15:02] <upsla> trinikrono:hi at first place my modem is not detected on network manager then how can i setup anything.
[15:03] <trinikrono> and you say lspci lists the device upsla?
[15:03] <trinikrono> i mean lsusb
[15:04] <upsla> trinikrono:no lsusb lists it.
[15:05] <upsla> and not lspci. lspci is used for looking pci type modem right ?.because my modem is of usb type.
[15:07] <trinikrono> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1663131
[15:07] <trinikrono> this is you right
[15:07] <upsla> yes
[15:08] <trinikrono> where are you stuck at
[15:09] <trinikrono> sudo pppoeconf should be able to set it up
[15:09]  * jasono is away: The Cape
[15:09] <aveilleux> !away | jasono
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[15:10] <upsla> trinikrono:sudo pppoeconf did not work for me . i even raised that problem on my post itself . check it out.
[15:12] <geirha> Hm. I gave him that yesterday too.
[15:17] <upsla> trinikrono:sudo pppoeconf did not work for me . i even raised that problem on my post itself . check it out.
[15:17] <trinikrono> well
[15:17] <trinikrono> upsla: where are you stuck
[15:17] <trinikrono> with that command
[15:18] <upsla> see pppoconf scans for eth0 and nas0.and the setup progress gets struck at 100% while scanning nas0 interface.
[15:23] <upsla> see pppoconf scans for eth0 and nas0.and the setup progress gets struck at 100% while scanning nas0 interface.
[15:23] <upsla> trinikrono:see pppoconf scans for eth0 and nas0.and the setup progress gets struck at 100% while scanning nas0 interface.
[15:31] <upsla> trinikrono:see pppoconf scans for eth0 and nas0.and the setup progress gets struck at 100% while scanning nas0 interface.
[15:31] <trinikrono> can you trry it again upsla
[15:31] <trinikrono> like reset it and try to run pppoconf again
[15:32] <trinikrono> but you need to make sure about the wan settings
[15:32] <trinikrono> like ip addresses etc
[15:32] <upsla> trinikrono:i already tried it for more than 10 times.
[15:32] <trinikrono> upsla: can you try it on a other ubuntu pc
[15:32] <trinikrono> like one that has lucid
[15:33] <trinikrono> and see if it works
[15:33] <upsla> trinikrono:sorry i have no other system that runs ubuntu.
[15:33] <trinikrono> try a live cd then
[15:34] <trinikrono> just to see if it passes the pppoconf
[15:34] <upsla> trinikrono:i even tried using live cd also pal..
[15:35] <upsla> trinikrono:i even tried using live cd also pal..
[15:36] <trinikrono> oh i know
[15:36] <trinikrono> try natty
[15:36] <trinikrono> :D
[15:37] <upsla> trinikrono:i stavle ubuntu 10.10 installed on my computer. u want to install natty which is still beta ?
[15:39] <upsla> trinikrono:i stavle ubuntu 10.10 installed on my computer. u want to install natty which is still beta ?
[15:39] <trinikrono> no try the live cd
[15:39] <trinikrono> just to see if it works
[15:40] <trinikrono> sometimes the hardware does work with specific kernels
[15:40] <trinikrono> so the best thing to do is to try the newest kernel
[15:40] <upsla> natty live cd is available ?.i heard it is still in beta.
[15:40] <trinikrono> yes it is alpha actually
[15:40] <A_B_> Hi, my log files (kernel, system & messages) are growing at a phenomenal rate 400-500 kb a second. Here's a 1 second log at pastebin.com: http://pastebin.com/cyvbczyq
[15:40] <trinikrono> i burnt one yesterday
[15:40] <trinikrono> and it does boot
[15:41] <aveilleux> What are some alternative IM clients to: Pidgin, Empathy, aMSN, Emesnene, or Ayttm? All I can find is Galaxium, which has no packages for Ubuntu.
[15:41] <upsla> u want me to download it ?
[15:41] <trinikrono> we are only trying it too see if pppoconf works upsla
[15:41] <A_B_> I'm using Kubuntu 10.10 with the latest kubuntu packages from launchpad
[15:42] <upsla> u want me to download it ?
[15:43] <trinikrono> upsla: yes and see try the live cd
[15:43] <trinikrono> A_B_: that looks scary
[15:44] <upsla> ok thanks pal
[15:45] <A_B_> trinikrono, yes it is and I'm afraid I don't understand the log messages so I appreciate any help figuring this out
[15:47] <trinikrono> A_B_: did you try in #ubuntu
[15:47] <A_B_> trinikrono.. no I though I'd try here first
[16:07] <ShootEmUp> Hi everyone!
[16:11] <aveilleux>  Quick poll: XDM or SLiM for a Flux/Open/Blackbox based install? (not all at the same time.)  SLiM is prettier and easier to configure, but XDM is extremely minimal and takes almost nothing in terms of resource
[16:35] <paultag> aveilleux: I;ev had nothing but bad times with SLiM
[16:35] <paultag> aveilleux: also, fluxbox ftw
[16:37] <aveilleux> paultag: It's worked just fine the few test cases  I have right now; for the moment I'm defaulting to XDM though.
[16:37] <aveilleux> paultag: I'm updating my MDU script, so I need to dig down and do some research like I haven't done since I added KDE support
[17:31] <jermza> If I'm using a desktop and not a laptop, is it necessary for "Power Manager" to boot up with my startup applications?
[17:32] <bioterror> yes
[17:32] <jermza> why?
[17:32] <bioterror> it's okay to not keep your processors running with full steam
[17:33] <bioterror> my cpu can run both cores at 2.7GHz, but they are most of the time chilling at 800MHz
[17:33] <bioterror> uses consumpts less electricity
[17:34] <jermza> what is a recommended setting to have selected?
[17:34] <jermza> "go to sleep after 1 hour"?
[17:34] <bioterror> ahhh you mean things like that
[17:34] <bioterror> my desktop computer never sleeps
[17:48] <Red-Raven> hey.
[17:48] <JackyAlcine> Hey Red-Raven
[17:48] <Red-Raven> hay JackyAlcine.
[17:49] <Red-Raven> still working on that insane pin drive.
[17:49] <JackyAlcine> How is it from last time?
[17:50] <Red-Raven> same. treid DD again. some guy told me to do it without it mounted, but when i plug it in it doesn't mount in the first place. maybe WITH it mounted?
[17:51] <JackyAlcine> NO! Red-Raven, I've read somewhere on Wikipedia not to do that!
[17:51] <Red-Raven> OK I PROMISE I WON'T! why?
[17:52] <JackyAlcine> It's like formatting a drive while it's mounted, or removing one in use. Same way it's "dangerous" to run fsck while it's mounted.
[17:52] <trinikrono> really dangerous
[17:53] <Red-Raven> to the system or the drive? because i WANT the drive to be wiped.
[17:53] <trinikrono> Red-Raven: where are you runing fsck frfom
[17:53] <trinikrono> you can use this thing to do it
[17:53] <trinikrono> palimpsest
[17:54] <JackyAlcine> trinikrono: She wasn't, but I was comparing that to running sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda
[17:54] <JackyAlcine> it's practically rm -rf / to a whole new level.
[17:54] <Red-Raven> um, im a dude...
[17:54] <trinikrono> :D
[17:55] <JackyAlcine> my bad. >_<
[17:55] <Red-Raven> lol its fine.
[17:56] <Red-Raven> im not following this. so what are you saying i should do?
[17:56] <JackyAlcine> Well, okay.  Your drive doesn't show up in Windows, right?
[17:56] <Red-Raven> it does. in ubuntu and linux.
[17:57] <JackyAlcine> But can you access it? Like pump data to it?
[17:57] <JackyAlcine> sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda? To list the drives?
[17:57] <Red-Raven> weird thing is, i think a virus locked it, but only files that should be there, like music etc, are there. no suspicious files.
[17:57] <Red-Raven> i will hold on.
[17:59] <trinikrono> Red-Raven: if its a virus it would hide in the recycle bin
[17:59] <trinikrono> so you wont be able to read
[17:59] <trinikrono> what is the problem?
[17:59] <Red-Raven> in trash in ubuntu?
[18:00] <trinikrono> Red-Raven: no you wont see it there
[18:00] <trinikrono> can you see the hidden files
[18:01] <trinikrono> ctrl +h
[18:01] <JackyAlcine> trinikrono: In the lost+found folder?
[18:01] <Red-Raven> ran fdisk, wasn't there. maybe /dev/sdb?
[18:02] <trinikrono> use palimpsest
[18:02] <trinikrono> it would show where it mounted and everything
[18:02] <JackyAlcine> ^^
[18:02] <Red-Raven> i don't have permission to veiw lost+found. that normal?
[18:03] <JackyAlcine> Red-Raven: yes.
[18:03] <Red-Raven> ok. so should i leave that alone or find a way inside?
[18:04] <trinikrono> Red-Raven: what are you trying to do?
[18:04] <trinikrono> i am a little confused here
[18:04] <Red-Raven> erase this drive. its write protected.
[18:04] <Red-Raven> a virus may have done it.
[18:05] <trinikrono> is it write protected in ubuntu ?
[18:06] <Red-Raven> no. an old XP machine.
[18:10] <trinikrono> did you try to see if the drive is write protected on your ubuntu pc Red-Raven
[18:10] <Red-Raven> where ever i plug it in, its write-protected.
[18:12] <Red-Raven> im in ubuntu right now.
[18:17] <Red-Raven> so why not just give permission to myself to enter the lost+found folder if that where the virus is hiding?
[18:22] <trinikrono> well if it was a virus
[18:22] <trinikrono> it wont be able to make it read only in ubuntu also
[18:23] <Red-Raven> well it is read only.
[18:23] <trinikrono> did you try to chmod already Red-Raven
[18:23] <Red-Raven> nope. what is it?
[18:24] <trinikrono> ifyou access the drive as root
[18:24] <trinikrono> can you edit it
[18:24] <trinikrono> like gksudo nautilus
[18:24] <trinikrono> and see if it is writable then
[18:27] <Red-Raven> ok. so sudo chmod /dev/sbd?
[18:27] <cprofitt> what format is it? ext3/4?
[18:27] <Red-Raven> fat32 i think.
[18:27] <cprofitt> Fat32 does not have permissions
[18:28] <Red-Raven> let me double check that.
[18:28] <cprofitt> it might be mounted in read-only mode then
[18:28] <Red-Raven> btw i got the fdisk for it. you want the output?
[18:29] <cprofitt> sure
[18:29] <Red-Raven> red-raven@redraven-Presario-CQ62-Notebook-PC:/$ sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb
[18:29] <Red-Raven> Disk /dev/sdb: 8021 MB,<PHONE_NUMBER> bytes
[18:29] <Red-Raven> 16 heads, 32 sectors/track, 30600 cylinders
[18:29] <Red-Raven> Units = cylinders of 512 * 512 = 262144 bytes
[18:29] <Red-Raven> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
[18:29] <Red-Raven> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
[18:29] <Red-Raven> Disk identifier: 0x00000000
[18:29] <Red-Raven>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[18:29] <Red-Raven> /dev/sdb1              16       30600
[18:29] <Red-Raven> yah its FAT32
[18:29] <cprofitt> is sdb a USB device?
[18:30] <Red-Raven> yes.
[18:30] <cprofitt> have you tried to remount it?
[18:30] <Red-Raven> nope.
[18:30] <cprofitt> give that a try
[18:30] <Red-Raven> its already mounted. so unmount then remount?
[18:30] <cprofitt> yes
[18:32] <Red-Raven> wait now it says its not mounted. last time i plugged it in it auto mounted. WTF...its so schizophrenic.
[18:32] <Red-Raven> error: Daemon is inhibited.
[18:33] <cprofitt> reboot the computer... (I do not know how to restart the daemon)
[18:33] <cprofitt> and then retry
[18:33] <trinikrono> :D
[18:33] <Red-Raven> ok. first though, should i do the Chmod thing?
[18:34] <trinikrono> i wanted to look at the drive as root
[18:35] <Red-Raven> ok. so what the command?
[18:35] <trinikrono> chmod would change the files to writeable
[18:35] <trinikrono> if it was set elsewhere
[18:35] <Red-Raven> awesome.
[18:35] <trinikrono> gksudo nautilus
[18:35] <Red-Raven> thats the command?
[18:35] <trinikrono> that would open a root nautilus
[18:35] <trinikrono> and you try and see if it is writeable
[18:35] <Red-Raven> oh ok. that wouldn't give the virus a shot at me would it?
[18:36] <trinikrono> nope
[18:36] <Red-Raven> sweet.
[18:36] <trinikrono> but dont mess with anything other than the drive
[18:36] <trinikrono> you can break things with that
[18:36] <Red-Raven> ok thx.
[18:37] <Red-Raven> the drive isn't in there.
[18:41] <Red-Raven> this thing is so frustrating. its probably hiding because it knows a root nautilus can kill it.
[18:46] <trinikrono> no its there
[18:46] <trinikrono> look in :///computer
[18:46] <trinikrono> its bound to be in there somewhere
[18:47] <Red-Raven> just put that in under search for files?
[18:53] <Red-Raven> ok i found the computer directory in the root nautilus, but an error said it couldn't handle it.
[18:54] <trinikrono> o.o
[18:54] <Red-Raven> what, is that bad?
[18:54] <trinikrono> do you know where the drive is mounted
[18:54] <trinikrono> so you can browse to that
[18:54] <Red-Raven> will fdisk find it?
[18:55] <trinikrono> hears what
[18:55] <trinikrono> run this command
[18:55] <trinikrono> palimpsest
[18:55] <trinikrono> and tellme when it comes up
[18:56] <Red-Raven> the disk utility.
[18:56] <trinikrono> yes
[18:56] <trinikrono> cheeck the drive
[18:57] <trinikrono> it should show you wheres it mounnted and stuff
[18:57] <trinikrono> andyou can see
[18:57] <trinikrono> that is allows you check the drive too
[18:57] <trinikrono> nifty stuff
[18:58] <trinikrono> make sure its the usb drive though
[19:02] <cprofitt> sorry for having to cut out on the discussion
[19:02] <cprofitt> trinikrono: thanks for taking over
[19:03] <trinikrono> :)
[19:03] <Red-Raven> shoult i reboot? the deamon error keeps poping up. (what is that btw?)
[19:03] <trinikrono> Red-Raven: did you reboot as yet
[19:03] <Red-Raven> says its been inhibited.
[19:03] <cprofitt> did you reboot when I asked you too?
[19:03] <Red-Raven> no not yet. i can.
[19:03] <cprofitt> yes, please do... that may clear the error
[19:03] <Red-Raven> i was going to try the chmod first.
[19:03] <Red-Raven> but i'll reboot now.
[19:04] <Red-Raven> brb.
[19:06] <Red-Raven> back.
[19:07] <Red-Raven> file check showed up clean.
[19:08] <Red-Raven> what now? mount?
[19:12] <trinikrono> Red-Raven: the drive is up right
[19:12] <trinikrono> so you can browse it?
[19:12] <Red-Raven> yes.
[19:12] <Red-Raven> yes.
[19:12] <Red-Raven> but read only.
[19:13] <trinikrono> right
[19:13] <cprofitt> it is read-only after reboot?
[19:13] <trinikrono> try the gksudo nautilus
[19:13] <trinikrono> and see if it is still readonly
[19:13] <cprofitt> trink - Fat32 has not permissions
[19:13] <Red-Raven> its there this time.
[19:14] <Red-Raven> should i try and delete something?
[19:14] <cprofitt> just try creating something
[19:14] <cprofitt> that should tell you
[19:14] <Red-Raven> its let me make a new folder,
[19:14] <trinikrono> i think its the drive
[19:14] <trinikrono> :D
[19:15] <trinikrono> was it a cheap drive?
[19:15] <Red-Raven> meh. it was Chrismas gift 2 years ago. but its 8GB id like to use again.
[19:15] <trinikrono> you made the folder?
[19:15] <cprofitt> well... pull the data off
[19:16] <cprofitt> then re-format
[19:16] <Red-Raven> i dont want the data.
[19:16] <cprofitt> then just reformat it
[19:16] <Red-Raven> actually, i might get one folder.
[19:16] <cprofitt> use the disk utility, unmount it, reformat it
[19:16] <cprofitt> just ensure you get any data you want
[19:16] <cprofitt> double check
[19:17] <Red-Raven> so how do i format from nautilus?'
[19:18] <cprofitt> you do not
[19:18] <cprofitt> use the disk utility from the System | Administration menu
[19:19] <Red-Raven> ugh! it won't let me delete! says read only.
[19:19] <cprofitt> do not delete
[19:19] <cprofitt> unmount
[19:19] <cprofitt> then format
[19:19] <cprofitt> unless your usb drive has a read-only toggle siwtch
[19:20] <cprofitt> physical switch
[19:20] <Red-Raven> well when i unmouunted it left the root nautilus.
[19:20] <Red-Raven> it doesn't
[19:20] <cprofitt> close nautilus
[19:20] <cprofitt> use the disk utility
[19:20] <cprofitt> go to System
[19:20] <cprofitt> Administration
[19:20] <cprofitt> Disk Utility
[19:20] <trinikrono> he might need to install you know
[19:20] <trinikrono> it only shows up on the live-cd
[19:21] <trinikrono> apt-get install gparted
[19:21] <Red-Raven> treid to format from the disk editor: Error creating file system: helper exited with exit code 1: Error calling fsync(2) on /dev/sdb1: Input/output error
[19:21] <trinikrono> sudo:D
[19:21] <Red-Raven> tried*
[19:21] <Red-Raven> i have Gparted already.
[19:21] <cprofitt> trinikrono: no gparted isn't necessary the disk utility is installed by default
[19:21] <cprofitt> did you delete the existing partition(s)?
[19:22] <Red-Raven> no hold on.
[19:23] <Red-Raven> got this error while trying to delete the partition: Error erasing: helper exited with exit code 1: In part_del_partition: device_file=/dev/sdb, offset=4128768
[19:23] <Red-Raven> Entering MS-DOS parser (offset=0, size=8021606400)
[19:23] <Red-Raven> MSDOS_MAGIC found
[19:23] <Red-Raven> looking at part 0 (offset 4128768, size<PHONE_NUMBER>, type 0x0c)
[19:23] <Red-Raven> new part entry
[19:23] <Red-Raven> looking at part 1 (offset 0, size 0, type 0x00)
[19:23] <Red-Raven> new part entry
[19:23] <Red-Raven> looking at part 2 (offset 0, size 0, type 0x00)
[19:23] <Red-Raven> new part entry
[19:23] <Red-Raven> looking at part 3 (offset 0, size 0, type 0x00)
[19:23] <Red-Raven> new part entry
[19:23] <Red-Raven> Exiting MS-DOS parser
[19:23] <Red-Raven> MSDOS partition table detected
[19:23] <Red-Raven> got it
[19:23] <Red-Raven> got disk
[19:23] <Red-Raven> got partition - part->type=0
[19:23] <Red-Raven> Error: Input/output error during write on /dev/sdb
[19:24] <cprofitt> weird...
[19:24] <cprofitt> I have not seen that happen
[19:25] <Red-Raven> yah....
[19:25] <cprofitt> it is not mounted is it?
[19:25] <Red-Raven> nioe.
[19:25] <Red-Raven> nope*
[19:25] <cprofitt> do you have access to a Windows machine?
[19:26] <Red-Raven> yes. i dual boot. why?
[19:28] <cprofitt> I would boot to Windows and see if it lets you reformat
[19:28] <Red-Raven> now whenever i do anything in the disk utility it says the daemon is inhibited again. could my opening Gparted have done that?
[19:29] <cprofitt> I think we may have a file system corruption
[19:29] <cprofitt> and that is triggering the driver to revert to read-only mode
[19:29] <cprofitt> though I do not know why with the FS unmounted it owuld not allow you to reformat
[19:29] <Red-Raven> ive chacked it for badblocks if that's what you mean.
[19:30] <cprofitt> no, I mean FS corruption
[19:30] <cprofitt> as in the dos file table or something at the FS level
[19:30] <Red-Raven> what does that mean? like what's happened to it>
[19:30] <Red-Raven> ?*
[19:31] <cprofitt> well... a FS translastes things to the block level
[19:31] <cprofitt> there is a chance the translation is foobar
[19:32] <Red-Raven> so the thing that translates data to and from it may be toast?
[19:33] <cprofitt> or just corrupted
[19:33] <cprofitt> but Windows may detect that better...
[19:33] <Red-Raven> anyway to repair it?
[19:33] <cprofitt> you could try to run a diskcheck on it in Windows
[19:34] <Red-Raven> ok. ill switch.
[19:34] <cprofitt> ok
[19:39] <odfhhvhjnnng> Hey. So this is sort of concerning. On star up, windows started doing a disk check.
[19:40] <odfhhvhjnnng> Oh btw I'm red.
[19:42] <Red-Raven> hey. so on start up windows ran a rather long disk check. should i be worried?
[19:43] <cprofitt> no -- it might have been checking that USB disk if it was in at boot up
[19:43] <Red-Raven> it wasn't. it was checking C.
[19:44] <holstein> Red-Raven: did it break something?
[19:44] <Red-Raven> no...
[19:45] <cprofitt> can you access the usb drive in Windows?
[19:46] <Red-Raven> yes,
[19:50] <Red-Raven> so now what?
[19:51] <holstein> Red-Raven: whats the issue?
[19:51] <holstein> did you try formatting in windows?
[19:51] <holstein> the USB drive?
[19:52] <Red-Raven> same thing. trying to format the USB.
[19:52] <holstein> Red-Raven: what that?
[19:52] <Red-Raven> ?
[19:53] <holstein> whats it do?
[19:53] <holstein> nothing?
[19:53] <Red-Raven> read-only.
[19:53] <ShootEmUp> Hi everyone
[19:53] <holstein> Red-Raven: is it a USB stick?
[19:53] <ShootEmUp> hey Red-Raven
[19:53] <Red-Raven> yes.
[19:53] <ShootEmUp> hey holstein
[19:53] <holstein> ShootEmUp: hey :)
[19:53] <Red-Raven> hey ShootEmUp
[19:54] <holstein> Red-Raven: maybe its reached 'end-of-life' status :/
[19:54] <holstein> i had one that was dying
[19:54] <Red-Raven> its 2 years old....
[19:54] <holstein> i got it to format in windows
[19:54] <holstein> and thought i had saved it
[19:54] <holstein> but it was dead
[19:55] <holstein> i wouldnt lose sleep over it, you can probably replace it for 6 bucks now
[19:55] <holstein> thats about all the trick i know of
[19:55] <holstein> tricks*
[19:55] <Red-Raven> would defragin it do anything?
[19:56] <Red-Raven> defraging*
[19:56] <holstein> it might defragment it
[19:56] <holstein> might just set there and chew on it
[19:56] <cprofitt> Red-Raven: if it will not let you reformat in Windows...
[19:56] <cprofitt> or Linux
[19:56] <cprofitt> I would be more suspicous of hardware failure
[19:57] <Red-Raven> HA! it let me change permissions! ill try it now...
[19:57] <cprofitt> ok
[19:57] <Red-Raven> nope...
[19:57] <cprofitt> but FAT32 has no permissions
[20:02] <trinikrono> cprofitt:  i thought it was the drive
[20:02] <trinikrono> drives are cheap!
[20:02] <cprofitt> trinikrono: with all that we have tried I would be apt to conclude that
[20:03] <cprofitt> though... I have yet to have a USB drive go bad on me in that manner
[20:03] <trinikrono> oh i know!
[20:03] <cprofitt> I support 7200 users and have been doing this for 14 years...
[20:03] <cprofitt> so it seems odd as heck
[20:03] <trinikrono> runthe usb creator
[20:03] <cprofitt> but it is about all that is left
[20:03] <trinikrono> if that does not work
[20:03] <trinikrono> nothing will!
[20:04] <trinikrono> make a usb maverick out of it
[20:04] <Red-Raven> what do you mean>
[20:04] <Red-Raven> ?*
[20:04] <trinikrono> Red-Raven: try the usb creator
[20:05] <trinikrono> and see if it can do anything with the drive
[20:05] <Red-Raven> is it built into windows?
[20:06] <trinikrono> the usb startup disk creator
[20:06] <trinikrono> if you are in windows
[20:06] <trinikrono> you can use this
[20:07] <trinikrono> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/downloads/Universal-USB-Installer/Universal-USB-Installer.exe
[20:12] <Red-Raven> won't the drive still be protected?
[20:12] <kristian-aalborg> if you should recommend one website for someone totally new to ubuntu/linux, what would it be?
[20:12] <Red-Raven> ubuntu forums.org.
[20:12] <Red-Raven> thats mine at least.
[20:13] <kristian-aalborg> that's a very good one, true
[20:13] <trinikrono> i have a nice one
[20:13] <Red-Raven> you're not new though, are you?
[20:13] <trinikrono> http://ubuntuguide.org
[20:14] <Red-Raven> how is the USB creator supposed to fix this?
[20:20] <trinikrono> well it formats drives
[20:20] <trinikrono> so its something
[20:23] <Red-Raven_> hey sry. so how will using the USB creator fix it?
[20:24] <cprofitt> Red-Raven_: it might not be...
[20:25] <cprofitt> I wish I could see the machine... I usually can get through stuff like this, but it is at times hard to walk folks through
[20:25] <cprofitt> but if Windows will not let you write to it or format it...
[20:25] <cprofitt> I would guess it is a hardware issue
[20:26] <Red-Raven_> well if the USB creator can't remove the write protection....
[20:26] <Red-Raven_> then there's not much it can do.
[20:28] <trinikrono> :D exacta
[20:29] <trinikrono> but at least you can try
[20:30] <Red-Raven_> um, i don't see how it will be any different.
[20:31] <trinikrono> Red-Raven_: well its up to you
[20:31] <trinikrono> but thats what iwould of tried next
[20:31] <Red-Raven_> well, ill switch to ubuntu and give it a shot,
[20:39] <Red-Raven> so just get usb creator common for Gnome and use it with an ISO on the flash drive?
[20:40] <trinikrono> yes
[20:40] <trinikrono> ubuntu has it built in
[20:40] <kristian-aalborg> Red-Raven: I went for the wikipedia ubuntu page
[20:41] <Red-Raven> oh ok.
[20:42] <Red-Raven> where is it>
[20:42] <Red-Raven> ?*
[20:46] <Red-Raven> i think i need to get it from synaptic. its  not under apps or admin.
[20:59] <Red-Raven> ill be back later.
[21:56] <Red-Raven> hey. anyone know where to find the USB creator in ubuntu?
[21:58] <MrChrisDruif> Hai Red-Raven :) Don't you have to install it?
[21:58] <Red-Raven> it says it already is in synaptic.
[21:58] <Red-Raven> and i beleive it comes built in.
[21:58] <trinikrono> its under administration
[21:59] <trinikrono> you using maverick?
[21:59] <Red-Raven> yah thx. found it.
[21:59] <Red-Raven> and it makes bootable maverick USBs?
[22:00] <trinikrono> if you have the iso :D
[22:00] <Red-Raven> got an I/O error when i tried to erase it.
[22:01] <Red-Raven> should i point it towards and ISO before i do it>
[22:02] <Red-Raven> ?*
[22:05] <trinikrono> well it might seem
[22:05] <trinikrono> that might be it for the drive
[22:05] <trinikrono> i/o errors are bad=\
[22:06] <Red-Raven> ...what do they mean?
[22:06] <Red-Raven> i've gotten them a few times now with this thing.
[22:09] <Red-Raven> and now i can't pick and ISO. i click on it, click open, the browser closes, and it goes back to the start up disk creator, but under "Disk Image/ISO" there is nothing.
[22:10] <Red-Raven> oh does it have to be an Ubuntu ISO?
[22:11] <trinikrono> yes that would help
[22:11] <trinikrono> if you used the pendriveapps one
[22:11] <trinikrono> it would support more
[22:11] <Red-Raven> oh im using a backtrack 4 ISO.
[22:12] <Red-Raven> don't care which ISO it is. i just want to be able to erase this thing.
[22:13] <bioterror> throw that usb stick away and get yourself a new one :D
[22:13] <bioterror> you've been trying to do something for it like a week now
[22:14] <trinikrono> +1
[22:14] <Red-Raven> hey, if i can get it working, then thats +8GB free space for me to make a persistent USB stick with and OS on it.
[22:14] <Red-Raven> thx. the 64 bit maverick ISO worked,
[22:16] <Red-Raven> didn't work. couldn't write to a tmp file.
[22:17] <Red-Raven> this is freaking redicules. im starting to think that something is wrong at the hardware level. is there a way to tell?
[22:26] <Red-Raven> well, i think im just going to replace it with a new 34 GB drive. but ill hang on to this one as my "ultimate challenge". who knows.
[22:33] <MrChrisDruif> Red-Raven: You do ;)
[22:33] <Red-Raven> i know what?
[22:34] <MrChrisDruif> If you are going to replace it with a 34GB drive and if you are going to hang on to this one as your "ultimate challenge" :)
[22:35] <edlik> Can anyone help with ubuntu laptop wireless problem? It used to work on vacation in hotels, but since I installed a cisco linksyse3000 at home it wont connect. it says its connected but I can not get out
[22:35] <Red-Raven> i meant who knows? i may find a fix for it sometimes.
[22:36] <Red-Raven> uninstall cisco?
[22:37] <MrChrisDruif> Ow....sentence was a bit wrong....understood it differently :)
[22:37] <Red-Raven> oh i get it ognore that.
[22:38] <Red-Raven> edlik, you can't get out of what?
[22:38] <MrChrisDruif> Red-Raven: On the interwebs ;)
[22:39] <edlik> Red-Raven: sorry, I can not get onto the internet although it says I am connected
[22:39] <Red-Raven> ok...
[22:39] <Red-Raven> hm...firewall?
[22:39] <MrChrisDruif> IP-block?
[22:40] <edlik> It works if I plug in the ethernet cable, but not wirless
[22:40] <edlik> no firewall
[22:40] <trinikrono> delete the wireless networks
[22:41] <trinikrono> it might have one that had the same name
[22:41] <trinikrono> like linksys
[22:52] <edlik> I have deleted all of them and set a new one, but a notification still pops up that says "***** is disconected" (***** was a previously used hotel connection). All of these are deleted, where else could they be stored?
[22:54] <duanedesign> hello edlik...hmm interesting
[22:55] <Red-Raven> im trying to make a backtrack 4 persistent USB drive. can i make it from a Virtual machine of backtrack? (sry. i know there is a bacltrack IRC but i can't speak for some reason. if i need to take this somewhere else just let me know)
[23:07] <duanedesign> edlik: what does your /etc/network/interfaces look like? Can you pastebin it
[23:08] <techmik67> i keep running into this problem..... I have an atheros onboard network adapter that wont do 5Ghz, so i bought the cisco/Linksys ae1000..... it's not officially supported...... so...
[23:09] <techmik67> i blacklisted the atheros
[23:09] <techmik67> and then http://pastebin.com/vTMNDNWR
[23:09] <techmik67> poof... ra0 exists and connects @5Ghz
[23:10] <techmik67> until i reboot....=(
[23:10] <techmik67> then i gotta wipe it and do it again.....
[23:14] <duanedesign> techmik67: hello
[23:14] <techmik67> hi
[23:14] <duanedesign> you want to not have to run sudo modprobe ra0 everytime you reboot
[23:15] <edlik> duanedesign: Im not to good at the terminal, do I type anything before /etc/network/interfaces?
[23:15] <techmik67> yes i want to just be able to connect to my connection, as i would normally
[23:15] <Red-Raven> if i just click install on any distro and point it to a USB pin drive will it be persistent?
[23:18] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: Yes, but you have to be very careful to install GRUB to a partition and not the MBR (since some Flash drives don't have master boot records)
[23:18] <Red-Raven> must i install GRUB seperatly?
[23:19] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: No, just install it to wherever /boot is located
[23:20] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: Usually / if you don't use multiple partitions
[23:22] <duanedesign> techmik67: add ra0 to the bottom of /etc/modules
[23:23] <techmik67> ah.. just ra0, thats it? got it!
[23:23] <techmik67> thx
[23:23] <duanedesign> techmik67: then the module should load auttomagically
[23:23] <techmik67> thx again =)
[23:25] <duanedesign> edlik: also  I thinkn you need to set DHCP(automatic) in order to auto connect. Edit Connections > auto * > Edit > IPV4 settings
[23:26] <techmik67> ok, configure tv signal.....
[23:27] <techmik67> set up tv signal
[23:27] <duanedesign> edlik: cat /etc/network/interfaces  <--that should print the file to the terminal. Then you can copy and paste it in ubuntu.pastebin.com, click paste, and post link.
[23:28] <edlik> duanedesign: all are already set to DHCP(automatic)
[23:28] <edlik> ok
[23:32] <edlik> duanedesign: ubuntu.pastebin.com/fgK5sekm
[23:32]  * duanedesign looking
[23:33] <duanedesign> edlik: hmm, that seems ok


[01:45] <philballew> bilal, around?
[01:46] <philballew> probably not, ill tweet you
[01:46] <philballew> ubuntu should ditch irc and just use twitter
[01:47] <Darael> Ew.  No.  Please.
[01:47] <Darael> Moving to XMPP I could get behind, maybe.  But /Twitter/ as a replacement?  *shudder*
[22:16] <bilal> philballew: one sec
[22:20] <bilal> philballew: yup, now.


[00:01] <lifeless> meoblast001: bzr help hooks | less
[00:01] <meoblast001> lifeless: do you mean post_change_branch_tip?
[00:01] <lifeless> probably, yess
[00:04] <lifeless> meoblast001: http://wiki.bazaar.canonical.com/BzrPlugins is a reasonable list of plugins - most, not all
[00:04] <lifeless> meoblast001: there is publish-bot which does irc already
[00:05] <meoblast001> ok, thanks
[00:07] <maxb> mathrick: *shrug*  bzr branch lp:dulwich
[00:18] <lifeless> mathrick: I think its reasonable for trunk to have a dependency on trunk of something else
[00:18] <lifeless> particularly when they have a close relationship
[00:19] <mathrick> yeah, I know
[00:21] <mathrick> now it's reasonable to depend on the trunk, but the trunk isn't 0.5.0 either
[00:22] <mathrick> I guess the root problem is that samba.org repos are down
[00:23] <toobaz_> Hello... has the "svn-push" command, which is referred in several (old) pages, disappeared? I installed bzr-svn, but I get 'bzr: ERROR: unknown command "svn-push"'...
[00:23] <mathrick> toobaz_: just use push
[00:23] <mathrick> it's not needed anymore
[00:23] <toobaz_> ooh
[00:23] <toobaz_> that's nice
[00:23] <toobaz_> thanks
[00:23] <mathrick> no problem
[00:24] <mathrick> okay, so it is 0.5.0, but for whatever reason it's 0.4.1 when I build a deb out of it
[00:33] <lifeless> mathrick: perhaps debian/changelog is stale :P
[00:34] <lifeless> mathrick: or its been given a pre-0.5.0 version because 0.5.0 isn't released
[00:35] <mathrick> lifeless: nah, it was eggs installed by bzr-git overriding the system-wide dulwich
[00:37] <mathrick> okay, now I've got a crasher
[00:39] <mathrick> http://www.pastebin.com/f187cd9fd
[00:49] <lifeless> mathrick: can you say my name - testing a script
[00:49] <mathrick> lifeless: test
[00:50] <lifeless> great thanks
[00:50] <mathrick> no problem
[00:50] <mathrick> any idea what's wrong in my crash?
[00:51] <lifeless> not offhand
[00:51] <lifeless> have you looked at bzr-gitbugs?
[00:51] <Peng> There have been as_dict-related bugs in the past, but I don't remember it being in rio.
[00:53] <mathrick> lifeless: nope, lemme try that
[00:54] <Peng> mathrick: How up-to-date are bzr/bzr-git/dulwich?
[00:54] <mathrick> pulled 30 mins ago
[00:54] <mathrick> well, bzr-git and dulwich
[00:54] <mathrick> bzr is 2.1.0
[00:54] <mathrick> 2.1.0rc2 to be exact
[00:55] <mathrick> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-git/+bug/489649 <-- what do you know
[00:55] <mathrick> I reported a similar bug already
[00:55] <lifeless> mathrick: try again please
[00:55] <mathrick> somehow I always hit bugs in jelmer's code, I dunno how that works
[00:55] <lifeless> (my nickname)
[00:55] <mathrick> lifeless: pokety
[00:56] <lifeless> \o/
[00:56] <lifeless> gui notifications setup
[00:56] <lifeless> I might rewrite it in python at some point, but this is good enough for now
[00:58] <mathrick> lifeless: oh, so it popups a bubble with what's been said?
[00:59] <Peng> With me it would usually be an iRPG or spam in #freenode.  :D
[01:00] <mathrick> hmm, let's check something first
[01:00] <mathrick> lifeless: what IRC client? :)
[01:00] <lifeless> irssi
[01:00] <mathrick> ah, right, I sort of assumed it'd be xchat
[01:01] <mathrick> lifeless: hmm, say something to me
[01:01] <lifeless> http://www.google.com/reader/shared/robert.collins?hl=en - the first link explains it
[01:01] <lifeless> mathrick: yo
[01:01] <mathrick> oh nice, it's built into xchat nowadays
[01:01] <mathrick> thanks
[01:02] <lifeless> xchat has notifications built in
[01:02] <lifeless> :)
[01:02] <mathrick> yah, I'm just used to it being incredibly retarded
[01:02] <mathrick> but they fixed it it seems
[01:02] <mathrick> xchat plugins have a long and proud history of doing everything but the things you want
[01:02] <mathrick> and doing things you don't want too
[01:03] <lifeless> mathrick: all of xchat fits that description to me :)
[01:04] <mathrick> yeah, but irssi is even more brain-damaged
[01:04] <mathrick> so really it's the lesser evil
[01:04] <lifeless> well, it has a rather compelling advantage
[01:16] <mathrick> hey jelmer
[01:16] <mathrick> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-git/+bug/489649
[01:16] <jelmer> hi mathrick
[01:17] <lifeless> jelmer: please don't auto-op :)
[01:17] <mathrick> jelmer: I hit that bug again
[01:17] <jelmer> lifeless, I'm not doing anything
[01:17] <jelmer> lifeless, the network has started doing that to me recently
[01:17] <lifeless> jelmer: its a service setting
[01:17] <mathrick> jelmer: also, your samba.org repos are down, which I found out trying to get dulwich
[01:17] <jelmer> mathrick, they seem alright to me
[01:17] <lifeless> jelmer: I don't know which mode flag in particular, but its controllable
[01:18] <jelmer> mathrick, http://people.samba.org/bzr/jelmer/dulwich/trunk/
[01:18] <jelmer> lifeless, I wonder why it's suddenly started giving me ops here though
[01:18] <mathrick> jelmer: odd, both hang for me
[01:18] <jelmer> I haven't talked with nickserv or chanserv in ages
[01:18] <mathrick> I wonder if my ISP is doing something funny
[01:18] <lifeless> we expanded the nicks with op access
[01:18] <jelmer> ahh
[01:19] <lifeless> to be most everyone with commit access
[01:19] <mathrick> by "both" I mean git and bzr repos
[01:19] <mathrick> jelmer: also, the github / gitorious mirrors contain no refs, sez git
[01:19] <lifeless> :>
[01:19] <lifeless> later
[01:19] <jelmer> mathrick: I think there's something wrong on your end then..
[01:20] <jelmer> mathrick: git has no problems cloning the dulwich git repo here either
[01:20] <mathrick> okay, I'll assume it's whatever my ISP is screwing up then
[01:21] <mathrick> every once in a while random pages stop responding it seems
[01:22] <jelmer> mathrick, if you hit this during pull, it is when pulling from a remote git repo into a git repo using bzr?
[01:24] <mathrick> yes
[01:27] <mathrick> jelmer: somehow I seem to hit these things in your code all the time
[01:28] <jelmer> mathrick: bzr-git's working tree support has never really been a focus
[01:29] <mathrick> by working tree you mean operating on git checkouts with bzr?
[01:29] <jelmer> mathrick: yeah
[01:29] <mathrick> I see
[01:29] <mathrick> it'd be nice to be able to use bzr as a saner UI to git
[01:29] <jelmer> mathrick: in that case you'd probably want a bzr working tree with a git branch/repo
[01:30] <jelmer> mathrick: rather than a git working tree, which uses an index - something that doesn't map to bzr's UI very well
[01:30] <mathrick> jelmer: sure, and does pushing to git work in this case?
[01:30] <jelmer> mathrick: yeah
[01:30] <mathrick> so I can just push to github and be a happy man?
[01:30] <jelmer> Well, ideally
[01:31] <jelmer> that's also a situation that's not heavily tested
[01:31] <mathrick> so what is tested then? :)
[01:31] <jelmer> but I'm keen to fix bugs
[01:31] <jelmer> mathrick: using bzr-git to push from and to pull git repositories
[01:31] <jelmer> into native bzr branches
[01:31] <mathrick> jelmer: push from as in cd git-checkout; bzr push lp:some-project ?
[01:32] <mathrick> jelmer: I'll give it a go then I guess
[01:32] <jelmer> mathrick: the other way around generally
[01:32] <mathrick> then I don't understand "push from"
[01:32] <jelmer> mathrick: bzr branch git://github.com/bla && cd bla && hackhack && bzr dpush git+ssh://github.com/bla
[01:32] <jelmer> (or a local git repo rather than a remote one)
[01:33] <jelmer> mathrick: anyway, that isn't to say we shouldn
[01:33] <jelmer> 't support working in a git working tree
[01:33] <mathrick> jelmer: ah, that's the thing I wanted to do, I understood it was what was poorly tested
[01:33] <jelmer> it's just not something that we've focussed on so far
[01:33] <mathrick> right
[01:33] <jelmer> mathrick: that's not what you're doing at the moment
[01:34] <mathrick> I know that, but I was asking if I can push from a bzr-git branch into a github repo without problems
[01:34] <jelmer> ah, sure
[01:34] <mathrick> but speaking of git, any progress on having git-style in-place branches?
[01:34] <jelmer> well, s/push/dpush/
[01:34] <mathrick> aha, good to know
[01:34] <jelmer> mathrick: co-located branches are in progress...
[01:34] <mathrick> I must say they're hellishly convenient when debugging
[01:35] <mathrick> because I don't need to update any paths, I just checkout upstream and restart
[01:36] <mathrick> jelmer: where can I track the progress?
[01:36] <jelmer> mathrick: nowhere really, it's just branches landing that add more support towards it
[01:36] <mathrick> I see
[01:36] <mathrick> so it's not something that can be easily added with a plugin?
[01:37] <jelmer> mathrick: well, there is a plugin that adds it (bzr-colo)
[01:37] <jelmer> but I'm working on supporting it in the core
[01:37] <mathrick> ah
[01:37] <jelmer> and for e.g. git repositories
[01:37] <mathrick> how robust is the plugin?
[01:38] <jelmer> I have no idea
[02:12] <mathrick> jelmer: http://www.pastebin.com/f37cafafb
[02:12] <mathrick> I don't think this happened before I updated bzr-git
[02:12] <jelmer> mathrick: It's because you updated bzr
[02:12] <jelmer> mathrick: it's fixed in bzr.dev
[02:12] <jelmer> and 2.1.0
[02:13] <mathrick> oh
[02:13] <mathrick> is 2.1.0 out?
[02:13] <jelmer> yeah
[02:13] <mathrick> nice
[02:13]  * mathrick updates
[02:18] <mathrick> hmm, where am I supposed to get it? PPA stopped updating (policy change as I understand), but karmic doesn't have anything past the rc2
[02:20] <jelmer> I'm not sure
[02:41] <jelmer> lifeless: my ops should be fixed now..
[02:41] <jelmer> \o/
[02:44] <MTecknology> What does this mean? Fetching revisions:Inserting missing keys:
[02:44] <Peng> It's...downloading stuff. Or uploading, as the case may be.
[02:45] <MTecknology> I meant this part "Inserting missing keys"
[02:46] <jelmer> in this case it is adding keys for ghosts
[02:47] <jelmer> MTecknology: Is the branch you are pulling down perhaps imported from baz originally?
[02:47] <MTecknology> launchpad
[02:47] <jelmer> ah
[02:47] <jelmer> Launchpad does indeed have a lot of ghosts in its history
[02:47] <jelmer> I'm not sure why adding dummy keys for them requires so much time though
[02:48] <MTecknology> what's a ghost?
[02:51] <jelmer> it's a revision to which references exist in the history, but which is not actually present
[02:51] <jelmer> ghosts could easily be created in baz
[02:52] <MTecknology> oh
[02:52] <MTecknology> so is bzr the reincarnation of baz?
[02:53] <wgrant> Pretty much.
[02:54] <Peng> bzr is a completely different codebase, but it was created by the same people as baz..
[02:54] <Peng> Well.
[02:54] <Peng> baz is a fork of tla, but still.
[02:54] <MTecknology> how do git and bzr compare in features?
[02:56] <mathrick> MTecknology: http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/migration/en/why-switch-to-bazaar.html
[02:56] <mathrick> IMHO, git is absolutely insane in terms of UI, which is a deal breaker
[02:57] <mathrick> whereas bzr simply works and does what I want
[02:57] <MTecknology> nice reading for me
[03:00] <MTecknology> thanks :)
[03:02] <spiv> IIRC, "missing keys" refers to the way bzr does fetches: in the first pass it optimistically grabs what is probably most if not all of the data for the revisions being transferred, and then checks if any records (e.g. file versions, parent inventories, etc) that are required for the new revisions are still missing; if there are, it does a second pass small fetch to grab those items the first pass missed.
[03:04] <spiv> (It's hard to calculate the full set of data up front because that requires inspecting the direct records for the new revisions, but the client can't do that until it has received them, and the server can't do it precisely because it doesn't know exactly what records the client already has)
[03:08] <MTecknology> So far what I'm seeing is that bzr is simple, easy, flexible and git lets you perform about any task but isn't very friendly
[03:34] <wgrant> Should a push really be CPU bound? I'm just pushing a Launchpad branch to a local Launchpad instance, and the bzr process doing the push is eating an entire core.
[03:34] <wgrant> The remote side is also sometimes eating the other core.
[03:35] <wgrant> (bzr 2.1.0 local, 2.1.0rc2 remote)
[04:01] <spiv> wgrant: it's a known issue, I forget exactly what the analysis is
[04:01] <spiv> wgrant: some combination of searching indices, decompressing and parsing records, and recompressing them.
[04:02] <wgrant> spiv: I see.
[04:02] <spiv> wgrant: I'd bet jam knows the details
[04:38] <MTecknology> trying to make this launchpad system run it kicking my butt
[04:38] <wgrant> MTecknology: It's still not working?
[04:38] <MTecknology> nope
[04:38] <MTecknology> make run only throws out one error and one warning
[04:39] <wgrant> pastebin
[07:04] <lifeless> spiv: ping
[07:04] <lifeless> spiv: I've been pondering command cleanups.
[07:05] <lifeless> spiv: I think there are a few things that can be improved in the current implementation; mainly that a public method (run) is no longer safe to call.
[07:06] <lifeless> spiv: so I'm wondering if, instead, we should say 'define _run_with_cleanups' for methods that use cleanups, and not support them on 'run' at all
[07:06] <lifeless> spiv: the calling logic could determine which method to execute, or something like that
[07:06] <spiv> lifeless: as a way to ease backwards compat for plugins?
[07:07] <spiv> I think eventually most command implementations will want to use add_cleanup, so it would be good to make sure that end state will be reasonably clean.
[07:07] <lifeless> to raise it level on rusty's interface safety sacle
[07:08] <spiv> Yeah.  It does suck that 'run' isn't necessary safe to call right now.
[07:08] <lifeless> and the end state is that it will usually /not/ be safe to call
[07:08] <lifeless> so I'd like it to look unsafe
[07:08] <spiv> Right.
[07:09] <spiv> If you feel that raising some sort of error that says deprecated/not-implemented/please-use-other-method-instead will be nicer than the status quo, then let's do that.
[07:09] <lifeless> so I'm proposing that we deprecate run(), add _run() or something more clear
[07:10] <lifeless> migrate commands over as they want cleanups
[07:10] <lifeless> or perhaps have
[07:10] <spiv> Hmm.
[07:10] <lifeless> add_cleanup error if you used run()
[07:10] <spiv> Do we need to add a new method instead of using run_direct?  I'm forgetting details already.
[07:10] <spiv> I think add_cleanup erroring if you used run would be bad.
[07:10] <spiv> Because then you'll fail to cleanup!
[07:11] <lifeless> spiv: well, you won't ever ship it to users though :)
[07:11] <lifeless> spiv: because it would blow up early. [kindof my point]
[07:11] <spiv> lifeless: haha, I admire your optimism :)
[07:11] <lifeless> spiv: by 'used run' I mean 'the command was defined with run()' not 'a client of the api called run()'
[07:11] <spiv> I would rather blow up even earlier (by making run fail to, er, run).
[07:12] <lifeless> spiv: sure
[07:12] <spiv> But if you get to the point of the code trying to execute add_cleanup, then it's too late to behave gracefully, because there must be something to cleanup at that point :)
[07:12] <lifeless> so there are a few questions: should we have an external keyword-function for running a command
[07:13] <lifeless> its kindof nice for close testing, but I don't think we use it much that way
[07:13] <spiv> I think for convenience of writing tests it'd be nice.
[07:13] <lifeless> and its hard for decorating
[07:13] <spiv> But yeah, check if any of our tests actually need that.
[07:13] <spiv> brb, baby
[07:13] <lifeless> because the signature changes between core and plugin, often.
[07:37] <lifeless> spiv: I can mail you ifyou like
[07:37] <lifeless> I don't think babies fit into 'right back' :P
[07:41] <MTecknology> the only thing that really annoys me about bzr is that you can't just have a branch on a server and add users to a group so they can access it, you pretty much have to create a new user and add peoples ssh keys to that user account to let multiple people work on a project
[07:41] <MTecknology> I'm guessing that's because of it's decentralized nature
[07:42] <lifeless> uhm
[07:42] <lifeless> it should work; in what way doesn't it?
[07:42] <lifeless> I mean, you need a filesystem that will preserve group access properly; and the default umask on unix won't
[07:43] <MTecknology> lifeless: this is what I came up with the last time I tried - http://profarius.com/content/creating-your-own-bazaar-server
[07:44] <lifeless> theres also a helper script in the bzr distribution to do group based access I believe
[07:44] <MTecknology> oh. I'll have to look at that
[07:45] <lifeless> dunno what it does ;)
[07:45] <MTecknology> :P
[07:45] <MTecknology> where can I find that at?
[07:45] <lifeless> its probably in the package in /usr/li/bzr
[07:45] <lifeless> otherwise in contrrib/ in the source
[07:46] <MTecknology> alrighty, I'll try that out
[07:46] <MTecknology> so far that
[07:46] <MTecknology> 's the only thing about bzr that I'm not enjoying
[08:09] <lamalex> would be nice if bzr init-repo had some flags to set those automatically
[08:14] <lifeless> spiv: also if you felt up to reviewing my subunit  test patch in the bzr merge queue, that would <3 brownie points
[08:32] <spiv> lifeless: mail is good
[08:33] <spiv> lifeless: also, I don't really look after any significant plugins myself, so perhaps I don't have the best perspective on what the requirements are... someone on the mailing list may want to chip in
[08:33] <spiv> lifeless: I'll take a peek at the subunit patch, see if it looks small enough.
[08:34] <spiv> (small enough to fit between baby moments :)
[08:56] <lifeless> spiv: its very small
[08:57] <lifeless> spiv: is add_cleanup in 2.1 ?
[08:57] <lifeless> [for commands]
[16:34] <Benathome> hi - can someone help - I think my osx install of bzr is a bit hosed
[16:34] <Benathome> whenever i try and do a bzr init I get:
[16:35] <Benathome> bzr: ERROR: No such file: u'/private/tmp/test/.bzr/README': [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/private/tmp/test/.bzr/README.477.macbook/.gft5rmx1uy.tmp'
[16:35] <Benathome> anyone got any ideas?
[16:36] <Pilky> Benathome: what version of bazaar do you have installed?
[16:39] <Benathome> Pilky: I just reinstalled the lastest version
[16:39] <Benathome> benrometsch@macbook /tmp/test $ bzr version
[16:39] <Benathome> Bazaar (bzr) 2.1.0
[16:39] <Pilky> hmm
[16:39] <Pilky> is it just in /private/tmp/test that you can't create or have you tried elsewhere?
[16:40] <Benathome> i have tried elsewhere including in my ~ dir
[16:41] <Pilky> not sure, beyond uninstalling and reinstalling
[16:41] <Benathome> I've tried that!
[16:41] <Benathome> wasn't sure what the best uninstall method was tho
[16:41] <Pilky> there's an uninstall script
[16:42] <Benathome> ah ok
[16:42] <Benathome> where abouts?
[16:42] <Pilky> https://launchpad.net/bazaar-mac-uninstaller
[16:42] <Benathome> great thanks
[16:42] <Pilky> I would maybe try uninstalling
[16:42] <Benathome> lol - dont say I need bzr to uninstall it :S?
[16:43] <Pilky> then try installing 2.0.4
[16:43] <Benathome> ok
[16:43] <Pilky> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Ebzr/bazaar-mac-uninstaller/trunk/annotate/head%3A/uninstall-bazaar.py
[16:43] <Benathome> yeah thanks I just downloaded that
[16:44] <Pilky> you could just copy & paste that into a text file
[16:44] <Benathome> but I get benrometsch@macbook ~/Downloads $ sudo python uninstall-bazaar.py
[16:44] <Benathome> ls: /Library/Receipts/boms/org.pythonmac.bazaar*: No such file or directory
[16:44] <Benathome> should it be running python 2.5 or 2.6?
[16:44] <Pilky> did you install via the the disk image?
[16:44] <Benathome> yeah
[16:45] <Benathome> I had installed it via pip and homebrew
[16:45] <Benathome> it was all working fine
[16:45] <Benathome> but suddenly stopped working
[16:45] <Pilky> depends if you are on 10.5 or 10.6
[16:45] <Benathome> I tried uninstalling it from pip and homebrew
[16:45] <Benathome> 10.6
[16:45] <Pilky> I think on 10.6 bzr runs 64 bit so uses python 2.6
[16:46] <Benathome> right ok
[16:46] <Benathome> that uninstaller is looking at 2.5
[16:48] <Benathome> well I ran that script, installed 2.0.4 and now I get
[16:48] <Benathome> type object 'Merger' has no attribute 'hooks'
[16:48] <Benathome> Unable to load plugin 'news_merge' from '/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/bzrlib/plugins'
[16:48] <Benathome> something very not right :(
[16:50] <Pilky> check in /Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/bzrlib/plugins
[16:50] <Pilky> see if there is a plugin news_merge, and if so moved it to your desktop and try again
[16:51] <Benathome> ok I rmd bzrlib
[16:51] <Benathome> reinstalled 2.0.4
[16:51] <Benathome> and doing an init still gives mebzr: ERROR: No such file: u'/Users/benrometsch/.bzr/README': [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/Users/benrometsch/.bzr/README.644.macbook/.wkx6ei3uci.tmp'
[16:52] <Pilky> ok, well then I'm stumped as well, might have to ask one of the more experienced users or the devs
[16:52] <Benathome> ok thanks for your help
[16:52] <Benathome> googling it gives me nothing :(
[17:01] <Benathome> OK well, updating the hostname on my machine fixed it!
[17:01] <Benathome> very very odd
[17:17] <jml> jelmer, hi
[17:17] <jml> jelmer, I'm with the Twisted guys and they're interested in bzr-svn
[19:49] <lifeless> moin
[19:54] <mwhudson> jelmer: would https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/distcc/trunk perhaps be fixed by having the git code imports not bother creating the bzr working tree?
[20:10] <jelmer> mwhudson, it's fixed in current bzr-svn
[20:10] <jelmer> mwhudson, that just hasn't been rolled out to lp yet
[20:11] <mwhudson> jelmer: ok
[21:30] <meoblast001> lifeless: you around?
[21:30] <lifeless> yes
[21:31] <meoblast001> ok, i was talking to you the other day about plugins, and felt it would be best to ask my question to you as you already know what i'm doing
[21:31] <meoblast001> suppose i have def phook(result):, where is documentation of what would be passed as result
[21:31] <meoblast001> and what it contains
[21:32] <meoblast001> for example, if this is a post_change_branch_tip hook
[21:32] <lifeless> bzr help hooks | less   /branch_top
[21:32] <lifeless> sorry
[21:32] <lifeless>  /branch_tip
[21:32] <lifeless> the docs say what its passed
[21:32] <meoblast001>  /branch_tip: No such file or directory
[21:33] <lifeless> you can use pydoc THING to get the docs on a specific type that is mentioned
[21:33] <lifeless> the /branch_tip is a search within the less
[21:33] <meoblast001> yes, i'm doing bzr help hooks | less /branch_tip
[21:33] <lifeless> don't put /branch_tip in the command line
[21:33] <lifeless> type it after hitting enter
[21:34] <meoblast001> yes, but it doesn't say what information is passed to the hook
[21:35] <lifeless> 'post_change_branch_tip is called with a
[21:35] <lifeless> bzrlib.branch.ChangeBranchTipParams.'
[21:35] <lifeless> seems to say so to me
[21:35] <meoblast001> ah, that ChangeBranchTipParams is a data structure? or whatever it's called in Python
[21:35] <meoblast001> sorry, i'm more of the C/C++ guy
[21:35] <lifeless> pydoc bzrlib.branch.ChangeBranchTipParams
[21:35] <meoblast001> ok, thanks
[21:36] <meoblast001> hm, so there is no information regarding the commit message?
[21:38] <lifeless> branch.repository.get_revision(new_revid).message
[21:38] <meoblast001> ah, ok
[22:28] <meoblast001> lifeless: now that i wrote my bot server, time to write that plugin ;)
[22:41] <james_w> "creating new compressed block on-the-fly"
[22:42] <james_w> is that useful information for anyone?
[22:46] <Peng> It's useful information for...the developers. Maybe. Once.
[22:47] <lifeless> james_w: yes, but not always.
[22:47] <lifeless> it should be -D something hidden
[22:48] <james_w> I find it rather overwhelms the messages that I normally care about
[22:50] <meoblast001> lifeless: is new_revno an integer (i understand typing in Python is not as strict as in C)
[22:51] <lifeless> meoblast001: I think so
[22:52] <meoblast001> ok, thanks
[23:13] <meoblast001> lifeless: i'm getting the feeling Python is going to mess this all up for me
[23:13] <meoblast001> :/
[23:20] <jelmer> 'evening
[23:55] <mkanat> Okay, so I go back to an old version using "bzr revert" to apply a patch. Now how do I tell bzr to update to HEAD with my patch applied, so that I can see bzr's conflicts instead of "patch"'s conflicts?
[23:56] <mwhudson> mkanat: 'bzr revert' ?
[23:56] <mwhudson> with no args
[23:56] <mkanat> mwhudson: Which deletes my patch?
[23:56] <mwhudson> oh right durr
[23:57] <mkanat> I expected a -r argument on up, but there isn't one.
[23:57] <mwhudson> i think there might be in bzr.dev actually
[23:57] <lifeless> meoblast001: how so?
[23:57] <meoblast001> lifeless: i want to send a 4 byte integer over the network
[23:57] <lifeless> mkanat: rather than going back with revert; do this:
[23:57] <lifeless> mkanat: bzr branch . ../patch
[23:57] <meoblast001> after a lovely talk with the people in #python, it looks like it will be painful
[23:57] <lifeless> cd ../patch
[23:58] <lifeless> bzr uncommit -r <when patch was made>; bzr revert
[23:58] <lifeless> apply the patch
[23:58] <lifeless> bzr commit --author "Who wrote the patch<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:58] <lifeless> mkanat: then you have a commit that represents the ptch,and can merge it as normal. And bzr knows who wrote it.
[23:58] <mkanat> lifeless: Ah, thank you.
[23:58] <lifeless> I should make a command to do this for you
[23:59] <lifeless> give it a patch file, a rev spec, and it would import, set author, and pending merge.
[23:59] <mkanat> That'd be nice.


[01:39] <patash> hello can anyone please provide me with the sourcecode of the Terminal(Zip/Rar). I am on windows....
[02:12] <patash> hello can anyone please provide me with the sourcecode of the Terminal(Zip/Rar). I am on windows....
[02:12] <patash> please
[02:13] <tsimonq2> patash: please don't repeat your question, if you're patient, someone will eventually respond :)
[02:14] <patash> ok thanks
[02:15] <tsimonq2> no problem, sorry that I don't know how to answer your question :)
[02:49] <OerHeks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-coreapps
[02:49] <OerHeks> ... wait, in .rar ??
[02:49] <tsimonq2> maybe just zip would do? patash?
[02:50] <OerHeks> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-terminal-dev/ubuntu-terminal-app/reboot/files
[03:36] <patash> @OerHeks - ohh sorry. Thanks for the link. but i am not able to find the zip file there.
[03:37] <patash> either of them .zip or .rar will do for me.
[03:39] <tsimonq2> patash: do you know what Bazaar is?
[03:40] <patash> yes but since i have an old PC and not much space to install
[03:40] <patash> the client for that
[03:40] <tsimonq2> oh ok
[03:40] <tsimonq2> well you won't easily find a zip file for that
[03:41] <patash> I ust thought that some one might have aleady downloaded the full source can just grab the terminal souce form it
[03:42] <tsimonq2> did you want to contribute?
[03:43] <patash> sure although not at the moment.Since i want to fist go through the code. Only them will i be able to work on it
[03:47] <tsimonq2> then you can go through the code in that web browser if you wish :)
[05:58] <ahoneybun> mzanetti: your lp ran out, going to add you
[05:59] <ahoneybun> ubuntu-membership I mean
[05:59] <ahoneybun> added
[08:20] <sndnvaps> it there anyone who work on ubuntu touch
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> !ask | sndnvaps
[08:31] <sndnvaps> how to use the twrp to flash the ubuntu touch into the device
[08:32] <sndnvaps> i have build the ubuntu touch for xiaomi aries , but donnt know how to flash it ..
[09:43] <ktatar156_> Hi all
[09:44] <ktatar156_> I have question regarding adb. If I 'adb shell', I'm getting access to my phone, yes? Next step I need to archieve is to get to root account. How can I do that?
[09:48] <ogra_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[09:50] <ktatar156_> Thanks. but in 'adb shell' sudo should work?
[09:50] <ogra_> indeed
[09:52] <Guest_94857> allah is doing
[09:52] <Guest_94857> sun is not doing allah is doing
[09:52] <Guest_94857> moon is not doing allah is doing
[09:53] <Guest_94857> stars are not doing allah is doing
[09:53] <Guest_94857> planets are not doing allah is doing
[09:53] <Guest_94857> galaxies are not doing allah is doing
[09:53] <Guest_94857> oceans are not doing allah is doing
[09:53] <mimecar> Guest_94857, ???
[09:53] <Guest_94857> mountains are not doing allah is doing
[09:54] <Guest_94857> trees are not doing allah is doing
[09:54] <Guest_94857> mom is not doing allah is doing
[09:54] <mimecar> Please respect the theme of the channel
[09:54] <ogra_> !ops
[09:54] <Guest_94857> dad is not doing allah is doing
[09:54] <Guest_94857> boss is not doing allah is doing
[09:55] <Guest_94857> job is not doing allah is doing
[09:55] <Guest_94857> dollar is not doing allah is doing
[09:55] <Guest_94857> medicine is not doing allah is doing
[09:55] <Guest_94857> customers are not doing allah is doing
[09:56] <Guest_94857> you can not get a job without the permission of allah
[09:56] <Guest_94857> you can not get married without the permission of allah
[09:57] <ogra> sorry that it took so long (i'm not really doing that often)
[09:58] <mimecar> thanks ogra
[09:58] <ogra> (and io wasnt aware i'm an op here myself :P )
[09:59] <mimecar> an operator calling other operators :p
[10:00] <ogra> yeah ... that awkward moment whare you call the ops an the line that returns is highlighted in your IRC client :)
[10:37] <ktatar156> I'm on
[10:38] <ktatar156> I'm on 'adb shell' now, done 'mount -o rw,remount,rw /' and 'chmod 0666 /sys/file_I_need_to_edit'
[10:39] <ktatar156> but I cannot save edited file (in nano "Operation not permitted"). Could anyone help me with that?
[10:57] <Guest31842> I would like to ask a question.. During an ubuntu installation on PC you have the option for encryption... Are there any planes to have this option also on ubuntu touch?? Thanks in advance
[10:58] <ogra> i dont think it will be optional ... once it is implemented disk encryption will be on by default
[10:59] <ogra> (but yes, it is a long standing TODO item, eventually it will happen)
[11:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[11:36] <mimecar> hi
[11:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mimecar, hi
[11:37] <sndnvaps> hi
[11:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[11:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> sndnvaps,
[11:38] <mimecar> this can be a hi loop :p
[11:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mimecar, maybe
[11:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> anyway off topic, but interesting just read that
[11:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Fedora 25 should be indeed be going Wayland by default
[11:46] <ktatar156> Is there any way to manually set IMEI in Ubuntu? (I've lost it and now have null).
[11:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ktatar156, lost how?
[11:47] <ktatar156> SebthreeBQM10HD: formatted to much (I think format nvram caused that)
[11:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh
[11:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ktatar156, but the imei is in the hardware itself I thought ?
[11:49] <ktatar156> Yes, it's written in back of the phone. But I need to set it in software itself
[11:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ktatar156, hm
[11:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ktatar156, I thought imei was security to
[11:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so genearlly can't just change it etc on any device and whatever OS, but I could be wrong
[11:52] <ktatar156> SebthreeBQM10HD: I've found some command, I'll try it
[11:52] <ktatar156> echo ?AT +EGMR=1,7,?IMEI_NUMBER?? >/dev/ pttycmd1 or echo AT+EGMR=1*7*IMEI_1 >/dev/ pttycmd1
[11:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ktatar156, a command from where/
[11:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ?
[11:56] <ktatar156> SebthreeBQM10HD: http://www.androidbrag.com/2015/02/how-to-change-android-phoness-imei.html
[11:57] <ktatar156> I'm getting "bash: /dev/pttycmd1: Permission denied
[11:57] <ktatar156> "
[11:57] <ktatar156> Why?
[11:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ktatar156, don't just run random commands from random sites etc, you could make your device/computer go wrong doing that, and oh I know
[11:59] <ktatar156> SebthreeBQM10HD: I've tested that command before on Android phone and it worked.
[12:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ktatar156, uh and commands for Android, may  not work with Ubuntu Touch, since it's a different OS
[12:01] <ktatar156> SebthreeBQM10HD: ok, it doesn't work because of 'Permission denied' - is there any way to fix that?
[12:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ktatar156, well the permissions would be your device unlock code I guess
[12:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> there isn't really a password or code in Ubuntu touch except for that
[12:01] <ogra> not really
[12:01] <ogra> he tries to echo something into /dev/ ...
[12:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh ogra is here :)
[12:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ogra, he's tryig to get his imei code for his device, but using some random command off a website it seems
[12:02] <ogra> that cant work (you cant echo something into a dir)
[12:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ogra, apparntly had lost to many times, since had re flashed the device
[12:02] <ogra> i guess there is a typo and it should be /dev/pttycmd1 (no space)
[12:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ogra,  ktatar156 wants to get or add back in the imei code
[12:03] <ktatar156> ogra: I've run sudo echo ‘AT +EGMR=1,7,”MY_IMEI‘ > /dev/pttycmd1
[12:03] <ogra> but even then a) i dont think that device will exist on any ubuntu devices ... b) the IMEI stits in a binary blob that only the factory flash tool can write when partitioning
[12:03] <ktatar156> I will try other think (flashing TWRP and restoring IMEI (I have backup))
[12:03] <ogra> so even if the device was there, you would have to make sure the partition is too ... and is filled with the right binary blob
[12:04] <ogra> ubuntu relies 100% on the factory partitioning ... if you ran some android install script that changed the ubuntu partitioning, you will need the factory tool to re-partition
[12:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ktatar156, what ogra put
[12:05] <ogra> (with the ubuntu partition table obviously)
[12:06] <ktatar156> ogra: I'm only fighting with https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1592412
[12:07] <ogra> well, that means your partitioning has been changed by something
[12:08] <ogra> or at least the content of some facorty firmware partition
[12:08] <ogra> you would have to restore it with the Ubuntu factory defaults that meizu did set originally ...
[12:08] <ogra> same thing for the IMEI
[12:09] <ogra> (i doubt you can do that at home if you dont have the right tool and right binary blobs)
[12:09] <sndnvaps> my123 ,, are you work on efidroid now ..
[12:11] <ktatar156> ogra: right tool?
[12:12] <ogra> yeah, the tool that does the partitioning for the device
[12:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ktatar156, he things something from Meizu I hink
[12:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> he means
[12:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ktatar156, yes Meizu may have a tool or  software etc, if you have a look at their site etc
[12:12] <ktatar156> SebthreeBQM10HD: ok, thank you guys for help :) I'm going back to android for now and waiting for MX6
[12:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> BQ do
[12:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but Meizu hmm
[12:13] <Guest96689> hello
[12:13] <ogra> i think the MX4 is an MTK chip ... there is an MTK tool to do that
[12:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ktatar156, uh, but you can probably use  Meizu tool to sort your mx 4 out properly with Ubuntu
[12:13] <ogra> but you will still need the right blob files and the right scatter file for the partitioning
[12:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Guest96689, hi
[12:13] <Guest96689> thanks
[12:14]  * ogra vanishes ... back into the weekend
[12:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ogra, your not allowe to enjoy a weekend els where , you have to be here now like all the time h eh :D
[12:14] <Guest96689> i guess there are here more expert than me about UT
[12:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Guest96689, well yes
[12:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Guest96689, if certain people who are beteter suited or not for your issue would depend though, and what issue?
[12:15] <mimecar> ogra, can not flee xD
[12:15] <Guest96689> so you guys know why gps dont work so well on bqE5?
[12:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> don't work how?
[12:16] <mimecar> Guest96689, have you the latest OTA installed?
[12:16] <Guest96689> yep ota 13
[12:16] <ktatar156> SebthreeBQM10HD: Any news regarding new Ubuntu phone?
[12:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Guest96689, I think gps is generlly not tht great with Ubuntu, but I could be wrong, not used it as such or much
[12:16] <mimecar> Guest96689, latest OTA for E5 is OTA-12
[12:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ktatar156, uhmm sure sort of, but first, why not try and sort out your mx4 with a meizu tool ?
[12:17] <ktatar156> SebthreeBQM10HD: what meizu tool?
[12:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ktatar156, if the OS can be changed to say Androdi on a Ubuntu MX 4,  then you can also re install Ubuntu
[12:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ktatar156, I belive they have a proper flashing tool,  that via a computer, will let you go back to proper defaults factory settings
[12:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> you'll have to look for it though
[12:19] <ktatar156> SebthreeBQM10HD: Yes, but if you look at bug I'm fighting about, there are some bits from Android 5.x left. Even when I flash some older 4.x ROMs - still some bits left.
[12:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ktatar156, as for the MX 6 with Ubuntu,  yes remour had it there would be one, but  tha's already out with Android, and I woudn't expect one with Ubuntu if it is indeed going to happen, for another month or two or so yet, especially since the pro 5 came out about three months ago with Ubuntu as well
[12:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ktatar156, sadly can't click on links yet oN UBUNTU touch, or I would have probably been on it already
[12:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> can't click on as in with the libertine/xmir stuff
[12:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or not chat links for the irc client anyway
[12:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ktatar156, they are working on some kind of update or it will be coming, where those tiny bits of Android, will be 6.0 actusally
[12:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or so it seems
[12:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> 6.0 board system
[12:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> build sytem whatever it was
[12:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but that's to come, so for now, nope
[12:22] <ktatar156> Yes, I read about that Android 6.x BSP also somewhere... But I doubt that it will help.
[12:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ktatar156, also I have a feeling that generally not many changes would happen with those tiny bit of Android for bugs I mean, since well it's tiny bits of Android,  that just hae to be used,
[12:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ktatar156, ok so withou going on your link, wht's your issue ?
[12:23] <Guest96689> @mimecar, right ota12 from first july
[12:23] <ktatar156> SebthreeBQM10HD: Left some bits from Android 5.x (I've flashed it) in Ubuntu Touch installation. That causing DT2W or S2W working by default :/
[12:24] <ktatar156> Even --wipe or --bootstrap doesn't erase that.
[12:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ktatar156, shame ogra went away away i a way, he oculd hae helpd you more, but if your here o the right kind of day so a wek day usaully I guess, thr would be others to
[12:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ktatar156, however certain things are tighd to the manfuacture the hardware not reallly the OS
[12:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ktatar156, and so to change anything or properly to do with that, would have to use  a proper manufacture tool, I think that's what ogra was trying to say earlier
[12:25] <ktatar156> SebthreeBQM10HD: Another question - I'm thinking about https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99954 (Port LibreOffice to UT - I've suggested to create crowd-funding campaing)
[12:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> again can't click on your link
[12:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so what's that about ?
[12:26] <ktatar156> SebthreeBQM10HD: My question is: how much developers (and time) needed to do that job?
[12:26] <ktatar156> Port LibreOffice to UT - I've suggested to create crowd-funding campaing
[12:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ktatar156, Libre Office is already on Ubuntu Touch as well, well via  Libertine/Xmir it is,  not as native app though no
[12:27] <ktatar156> SebthreeBQM10HD: I know, but I mean native app (with adjusted GUI, using Ubuntu SDK, etc.)
[12:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ktatar156, that's one of the nice demo apps on the tablet for that
[12:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ktatar156, who would progrm it
[12:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> port it over as native
[12:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> even with money
[12:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and be right back
[12:29] <ktatar156> SebthreeBQM10HD: My problem is to aproximate how big will be such project
[12:31] <Guest96689> ok so for gps better handling ill have to wait next ota in september, is it for my bqe5
[12:38] <mcphail> popey: do you have a bqe4.5 running rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en handy? Do you get DNS on WiFi?
[12:45] <frenchwill> hi i got disconnected somehow, i had previous guest nickname, asked about gps on bq device
[12:48] <mariogrip> tvoss: ping
[12:51] <frenchwill> also any of you guys experience tough connectivity to some wifi access points? sometimes ive to "log in to hidden network" to get connectivity to a wifi i obviously see on my bqe5 ;)
[12:53] <frenchwill> thats part of the game of doing not mainstream oses but actually ive loked for answers about it and did not really found
[13:01] <popey> mcphail: lemme see. I have an rc-proposed and a stable one to compare
[13:01] <popey> mcphail: any particular image version?
[13:02] <mcphail> popey: I'm on r412 (20160819)
[13:02] <mcphail> popey: I get DNS dor a few seconds, but keep losing it again
[13:02] <popey> mine is currently on 409
[13:02] <popey> how do you test?
[13:03] <mcphail> popey: lose connectivity in broswer. Open terminal and can ping ips but not names
[13:03] <popey> opened browser on 409 and can get to bbc.co.uk
[13:04] <popey> so yeah, dns is fine on 409
[13:04]  * popey updates
[13:04] <mcphail> popey: can you browse to different sites for a minutes and see if it drops?
[13:04] <popey> ok
[13:05] <mcphail> Trying to get my head around Ubuntu's interesting interplay between networkmanager, dbus, resolvconf and /etc/resolv.conf
[13:06] <popey> you're only on wifi?
[13:06] <popey> not flip-flopping between wifi and 3g?
[13:06] <popey> I don't have a sim in this phone, which may be a difference
[13:08] <popey> no dns failures yet
[13:08] <mcphail> popey: yes - flip flopping. I'm wondering if it might be an IPv6 issue as Sky seem to have switched it on on their routers
[13:09] <mcphail> popey: but I only noticed it on Friday after switching to rc-proposed
[13:09] <popey> i turned ipv6 off on my network
[13:09]  * popey updates phone
[13:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ktartar156
[13:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ohh
[13:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> thought had gone already, but nope it turns out, but now yes
[13:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ah well
[13:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, would you cowd fund  a native Libre Office for Ubuntu Touch like they wanted? Or  would you think more like me, wasted effort really, since the  Libertine/xmir stuff anyway
[13:19] <popey> we have native libreoffice
[13:19] <popey> not sure what a crowd funder would fund
[13:20] <popey> mcphail: sorry, can't reproduce
[13:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, native how?
[13:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> uh
[13:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> libertine isn't native?
[13:23] <popey> What's your definition of "Native"
[13:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> properly made for the os by default
[13:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so libertine/xmir would be more like sy wine if you get me
[13:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> however things tht run in wine/libertine can work well very2r ywell et
[13:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> c
[13:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, I  went away but was going to say to them something like:  but we got libertine anyway and more programs will be easier to work with that soon
[13:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hmm is ota 13 just going to be mostly a bug fix release, no new fatures or as such? that's the impression I seemed to get the other daay when looking at somthing
[13:30] <popey> https://launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+milestone/13
[13:30] <popey> there's a ton of fix-committed in there
[13:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah that's what I was on
[13:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that just looked like bug fixes to me, but not new fetures
[13:35] <tvoss> mariogrip: Pong, what's up?
[13:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, when did that proper calander get inroduced/?  was it ota 11 or 12? I thought that was awesome when first seeing.  when did the blue tittle bar get introduced as well?  11 or 12?  reemember I skipped 11, hence this question
[13:35] <mcphail> popey: ta
[13:36] <mariogrip> tvoss: how can i get framebuffers from mir?
[13:36] <mariogrip> mir_screencast_get_buffer_stream() will that returns MirBufferStream, but what is "MirBufferStream"
[13:37] <mcphail> popey: I've 85% got persistent IRC working, btw
[13:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mcphail, persistent IRC??  what's that?
[13:38] <mcphail> SebthreeBQM10HD: IRC which doesn't drop when the screen goes off
[13:38] <tvoss> mariogrip: a buffer stream is mostly something you can call swap buffers on, please take a look at aethercast, it interfaces with that specific Mir subsystem
[13:38] <popey> mcphail: neat
[13:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mcphail, is that  client?  or just a way to have irc ?
[13:40] <mcphail> SebthreeBQM10HD: I've made a quassel server click which runs all the time. The quassel client in the store can connect to it. Not working 100% yet, though
[13:41] <mariogrip> tvoss: ack, thanks :)
[13:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mcphail, hmm so  a IRC server via quassel that like anyone can use you mean or?  also oh quassel is now in the standard default ubuntu store ?
[13:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> having konversation ported over ntively to ubuntu touch would be something to :)
[13:42] <mcphail> SebthreeBQM10HD: the quasselcore "server" just keeps a persistent connection to whatever IRC server you are using. The quassel client speaks to it
[13:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ah right ok i see and nice :)
[13:43] <popey> neat
[13:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> xchat gome isn't that great in librertine, not made my own continer ec
[13:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> etc
[13:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but if I can just download a vesion of quassel from the standard app store, well yes thats something :)
[13:44]  * SebthreeBQM10HD still prefers Konversation  though
[13:45] <mcphail> SebthreeBQM10HD: I haven't put the server on the store yet. Need to think of a way to make the experience less "rough"
[13:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mcphail, ah ha there it is :) quassel bet
[13:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> a
[13:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> added to the store quite recently as well
[13:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> 11th July 2016 so reasaobaly recnetly
[13:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mcphail, so  thats you then, you put that one in there I guess
[13:47]  * SebthreeBQM10HD thinks he has to try quassel beta
[13:47] <mcphail> SebthreeBQM10HD: no - the client app isn;t mine
[13:47]  * SebthreeBQM10HD hopes irc links will work in it as well in chat
[13:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> there's some other irc client in there to
[14:19] <s`> popey, ogra you know any way to try and turn on the camera flash?
[14:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> anyone about still?
[14:45] <mimecar> SebthreeBQM10HD, Thunderbird can be used as IRC client
[15:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mimecar, oh
[15:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mimecar, but would have to install into touch first
[15:46] <mimecar> yes
[15:47] <mimecar> Firefox is installed on M10
[15:47] <mimecar> but thunderbird is not installed
[15:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mimecar, exactly so would have to make a conainer on own uh, or wait for updates
[15:48] <mimecar> i think you must create a container
[15:48] <mimecar> but i haven't enought time time to test it
[15:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah, but updates should com eventually
[15:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so wont have to do that on own
[15:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mimecar, any idea how to get libertine/purtine on other devices by the way such as the mx 4
[15:49] <popey> s`: utorch works for me
[15:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, uh
[15:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> utorch ?
[15:50] <popey> what?
[15:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> the torch app ok i got that installed to
[15:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, thought you messaged me but nope
[15:54] <popey> i did not
[15:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yes p
[15:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> p:
[16:05] <masteler> hi
[16:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> masteler, hi
[16:09] <masteler> is this the place to put a question about Ubuntu Touch (BQ Aquaris E4.5)?
[16:10] <mimecar> masteler, yes
[16:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> masteler, yes
[16:11] <masteler> Where can I follow up my data plan consommation? or What must do I install to get it?
[16:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> what do you mean?
[16:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> network?
[16:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> there is unlikely to be a specific app for your mobile network
[16:13] <masteler> yes, to control and limit mobile data network usage (3G/4G)
[16:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> masteler, you can do tht in the ubuntu touch settings
[16:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or most of it
[16:13] <masteler> not needed to be specific, but generic. As it is possible in android or iOs (without capacity to limit it)
[16:14] <masteler> I'll try again
[16:14] <masteler> Thx
[16:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> look at the network settings
[16:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> you can disable mobile data
[16:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> change from 2g 3g 4g etc
[16:14] <masteler> yesm, we can
[16:14] <mimecar> I think you can not review data usage
[16:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> masteler, may be some sort of for al app for a bit more to
[16:15] <s`> popey: i tried, it's not working aymore, used to.. i want to address if it's a hw issue or sw... any idea?
[16:15] <masteler> I'd rather know when to do it. I have 6GB of monthly transfer and my carrier doesn't limit it...
[16:16] <masteler> aw. Thx. I'll look for an app
[16:31] <popey> s`: which device?
[16:32] <popey> masteler: i don't think we have an app to limit data usage
[16:38] <masteler> BQ Aquarius E4.5
[16:39] <masteler> I think so.
[16:53] <s`> popey: Meizu PRO 5
[16:58] <popey> s`: will test mine later, my bq e4.5 works
[16:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, he left already but yah
[16:59]  * SebthreeBQM10HD is on the verge of trying quassel bea once downloaded and installed
[19:51] <strixdio> oh popey lol
[19:51] <strixdio> didnt realize he came here
[20:03] <popey> strixdio: ?


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