[03:39] <McJerry> pashaw: then we are on the same wavelength for the most part, i will respect your requet
[03:39] <LittleDrummerBoy> brb im going to the bios bliue screen thingyyyyyyyyyyyyy
[03:39] <pashaw> McJerry,  i was asked the same thing once  :P
[03:39] <McJerry> np
[03:40] <Note> how can I make my resolution higher
[03:40] <cosco> :-?
[03:40] <ruaraidh> Note: in gnome...
[03:40] <cosco> brb reboot
[03:40] <McJerry> but, i still feel that script has a good reference list to the various programs most need to enhance a base install. period
[03:40] <cosco> if i dont come back
[03:40] <Note> yes
[03:40] <cosco> slap Pygi
[03:40] <ruaraidh> System, at the top of the screen...
[03:40] <cosco> ok?
[03:40] <cosco> :D
[03:40] <ITSa341> <-- having a New Years Strawberry Daquirrita  ( couldn't decide whether to add Tequilla or Rum  so I added a bottle of each )
[03:40] <Pygi> cosco: why slapping? :P
[03:40] <Note> ah but that doesnt work
[03:40] <ruaraidh> ok
[03:40] <Note> I only have one to choose from
[03:40] <pashaw> McJerry,    they wont use it as your suggesting you will install it   then break stuff then come here worse of then before
[03:41] <Note> (Itried it many times before it aint really brains urgery)
[03:41] <brasko> Hi, what's the difference between /dev/input/mice and /dev/psaux?
[03:41] <johndarkhorse> ubotu: tell Note about fixres
[03:41] <ruaraidh> what does your GPU support (nominally)?
[03:41] <ruaraidh> Note: better plan, ignore me, listen to those guys
[03:41] <McJerry> pashaw: i just haven't had that problem: maybe it's just me
[03:41] <ruaraidh> :)
[03:41] <brasko> As I've stated before, my mouse doesn't work when i switch in KVM between windows/linux. The only way to get it to work is to reboot
[03:42] <brasko> This was never a problem with debian, I could just restart the X server
[03:42] <ITSa341> Anyone here had any luck with aol 9 yet?? or even 7 or 8??
[03:42] <brasko> However, the mouse in debian XF86 file was to /dev/psaux
[03:42] <brasko> In Ubuntu it's to /dev/input/mice
[03:42] <pashaw> brasko,   that was for pre 2.6 kernels
[03:42] <eric_> is there a site where I can download the install for xfce
[03:43] <pashaw> brasko,   /dev/psaux device, which was in Linux pre 2.6 kernels. Since version 2.6, this device has been removed.
[03:43] <ruaraidh> eric_: can't you use synaptic & the ubuntu reps?
[03:43] <batman> hello everyone and happy new year
[03:43] <eric_> yeah but I want to burn a cd for the install
[03:43] <Note> I tried to update to dapper but it froze and I couldnt boot Xorg up again
[03:43] <ruaraidh> wtf? :)
[03:44] <SillyZ> happy new year
[03:44] <ruaraidh> what do you mean burn a new cd?
[03:44] <Iga> could anyone help me ? I got an "debootstrap" error while installting Breezy and Hoary
[03:44] <eric_> I want to burn a xfce install cd
[03:44] <SillyZ> anyone know how / if its possible to make boot floppies for ubuntu? I have a laptop w/ no cdrom drive and would really like to get ubuntu on it
[03:45] <eric_> is there a place to download the iso.image file
[03:45] <ruaraidh> eric_: why?
[03:45] <ruaraidh> xfce is a program, not an os
[03:45] <eric_> so I can install it on another pc
[03:45] <Pygi> !codecs
[03:45] <ubotu> Binary only codecs (such as w32codecs) can be downloaded from plf or cipherfunk, see !easysource for details on these repositories
[03:45] <pashaw> Iga,    youve been at this forever   maybe you should try knoppix install   if that still doenst work then you have bigger problems than linux   but if it works   then Ubuntu has a bug
[03:45] <Note> u mean
[03:45] <brasko> pashaw: I see, this 2.6 kernel also happens to have /dev/psaux
[03:45] <Note> xubuntu?
[03:45] <brasko> is that for back compatibilty?
[03:46] <ruaraidh> google for the source / a .deb and burn a data cd, I guess
[03:46] <pashaw> brasko,   try it then  worse thing can happen it wont do anything
[03:46] <Strike> hrmm, anybody else have a problem with the gmail notifier dying after a while?
[03:46] <Ainvar`> if I wanted to use something like beagel for indexing and such do I have to use reiser or does ext3 work fine for this also... I remember reading this on the forum sometime back but have not been able to find the info I need tonight to answer this question
[03:46] <Pygi> weeee, cosco's partitions work now :)
[03:46] <SillyZ> also, wheres the kernel source for breezy? 2.6.12-9 I belive it is
[03:46] <cosco> yup
[03:46] <cosco> i love pygi
[03:46] <cosco> :>
[03:46] <mebsd> wtf is breezy
[03:46] <Iga> pashaw > I've tried a Hoary cd that worked 2 months ago, and it still gave me the same "debootstrap" error
[03:46] <Pygi> !mp3
[03:46] <ubotu> hmm... mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:46] <brasko> pashaw: Now that you've said that, I'm thinking it's probably a kernel change, instead of an X change
[03:46] <eric_> oh see I thought is was an os like kubuntu or Ubuntu
[03:46] <ruaraidh> I wonder where Little Drummer Boy is...
[03:46] <brasko> pashaw: the fact that I have to reboot to get it to sync
[03:46] <cosco> !shit
[03:46] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, cosco
[03:47] <Tonglebeak> does anyone know how i can remove the grub bootloader and be able to use ntldr (i hate grub)
[03:47] <cosco> lol
[03:47] <pashaw> brasko,    that would be my guess  2.6 changed alot of stuff from 2.4
[03:47] <Pygi> cosco: have you enabled all repositories in sources.list? and don't annoy ubotu :P
[03:47] <mebsd> grub hate you
[03:47] <brasko> pashaw: I wonder if there's a command line tool used to resync the mouse
[03:47] <cosco> Pygi : yes
[03:47] <Pygi> cosco: you sure? :)
[03:47] <johndarkhorse> ubotu: tell cosco about conduct
[03:47] <andres> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[03:47] <Tonglebeak> i was told using fixmbr will not work because of the why linux partitions are
[03:47] <johndarkhorse> andres: follow the instructions
[03:47] <ruaraidh> Oooh!
[03:47] <Tonglebeak> and i'm not up to using fixmbr unless i'm sure it will work
[03:48] <pashaw> Iga,   im just saying  try a different debian based distro  if they still fail you have bigger problems than Ubuntu
[03:48] <Pygi> cosco: k, I'll deal with codecs now
[03:48] <cosco> okok
[03:48] <ruaraidh> I have a problem like Andres'!
[03:48] <pashaw> Iga,   ive seen you here alot lately
[03:48] <ruaraidh> Please, God, help me!
[03:48] <andres> :S
[03:48] <pashaw> Iga,  i feel bad it keeps  messin up
[03:48] <Pygi> cosco: have you enabled even multiverse?
[03:48] <ruaraidh> running dpkg --configure -a just hangs!
[03:48] <mase> HAPPY NEW YEARSSSSssssssss
[03:48] <cosco> Pygi yes
[03:48] <SillyZ> how can I install ubuntu on a laptop w/ no cdrom ?
[03:49] <johndarkhorse> ubotu: tell SillyZ about smartboot
[03:49] <SillyZ> smartboot? whats dat ?
[03:49] <johndarkhorse> SillyZ: read your priv msgs
[03:49] <Iga> pashaw: ok, but I can't download it, my connection is too slow
[03:50] <SillyZ> thanks john
[03:50] <Iga> however, Windows has installed without problem, and breezy's live cd works fine
[03:50] <McJerry> cosco: are you making progres?
[03:50] <McJerry> progress?
[03:50] <cosco> McJerry yup
[03:50] <McJerry> good
[03:50] <ruaraidh_> any body?
[03:50] <pashaw> Iga, i just think your spinning your wheels on the same trouble  time to take a different approach at this
[03:50] <cosco> mcjerry partitions work now:P
[03:50] <pashaw> Iga,    but i wish you luck
[03:50] <brasko> pashaw: https://lists.dulug.duke.edu/pipermail/dulug/2004-August/015432.html, looks like this is my problem in general
[03:50] <Pygi> cosco: you know, I haven't sleept today or yesterday :p
[03:51] <pashaw> brasko,   any solutions
[03:51] <cosco> Mcjerry cant find tux on symaptic :|
[03:51] <ruaraidh_> come on!
[03:51] <cosco> Pygi believe me .. me neither
[03:51] <ruaraidh_> sorry
[03:51] <Dagda> Hi all, I have a question about rar files
[03:51] <SillyZ> mmm dosent quite explain what I was looking for but ill give it a a shot johndarkhorse
[03:51] <brasko> pashaw: you seem to be right. It looks like the 2.6 kernel significatnly changed the mouse drivers
[03:51] <brasko> pashaw: instead of using user space mouse drivers
[03:51] <pashaw> ruaraidh_,   why did you say anybody?  i never saw you ask a question
[03:52] <Pygi> cosco: what connection do you have?
[03:52] <ruaraidh_> I did as ruaraidh
[03:52] <cosco> Pygi 512kbps
[03:52] <ruaraidh_> sorry, screwed up xchat
[03:52] <Dagda> I tried installing the rar archiver from the instructions here   http://ubuntuguide.org/#rar
[03:52] <pashaw> brasko,   i still agree with cafuego   time to learn terminal server  and ditch the KVM
[03:52] <ruaraidh_> my problem is that dpkg --configure -a...
[03:52] <johndarkhorse> !ubuntuguide
[03:52] <ubotu> I guess ubuntuguide is out of date, reported to break a lot an generally a bad source for information. Use help.ubuntu.com or wiki.ubuntu.com instead
[03:52] <Pygi> cosco: k, should be quite fast then....
[03:52] <brasko> hmmm, is that easy to use from windows?
[03:52] <Dagda> those commands didn't seem to work for me, it is still unrecognized
[03:52] <brasko> I need this to be transparent, so my wife can use it
[03:53] <ruaraidh_> needs to run but hangs every time I run it...
[03:53] <johndarkhorse> Dagda: stay away from ubuntuguide (install unrar-nonfree from multiverse)
[03:53] <pashaw> brasko,   yes  take a couple goes and maybe some quick directions  but its easy when its setup
[03:53] <Pygi> cosco: I still don't know why I tried to connect to that .ru thingy :P
[03:53] <ruaraidh_> I need to know how to stop it trying to fix things ;)
[03:53] <cosco> lol
[03:53] <cosco> :D
[03:53] <brasko> pashaw: Which machine would the mouse be hooked up to?
[03:53] <cosco> its .ro
[03:53] <cosco> :D
[03:53] <brasko> pashaw: I have 2 linux box's and 1 windows
[03:53] <pashaw> brasko,   heck  VNC  is installed in Ubuntu by default can use that also
[03:53] <Pygi> cosco: and now you tell me :)
[03:54] <cosco> :>
[03:54] <pashaw> brasko,   keep it all on your favorite machine
[03:54] <ruaraidh_> pashaw: that any help?
[03:54] <brasko> pashaw: hmm, can I keep it on the windows machine?
[03:54] <Dagda> should I stay away from that as a reference period?  Is it bad info?
[03:54] <ITSa341> I've used VNC  It's easy and worked fine
[03:54] <brasko> pashaw: So that it "just works" for my wife?
[03:54] <pashaw> ruaraidh_,   what are you trying to do     not the command  why are you running that to begin with
[03:54] <brasko> pashaw: And then setup linux to use that mouse?
[03:54] <cosco> tomorrow i go snowboarding and its 5 am ... and im working on my ubuntu :D oh yea
[03:55] <ruaraidh_> because I tried to install gstreamer...
[03:55] <brasko> VNC is pretty tempting, but my other linux box is debian stable, with no X server (firewall)
[03:55] <SillyZ> johndarkhorse, can I just dd the smb.bin will that work? or does it have to have rawrite ?
[03:55] <pashaw> brasko,   yes  windows  fine  i run 6 servers at work from my 1 windows desktop  AIX, Debian, Microsoft mix
[03:55] <Pygi> cosco: it's 4 am :P
[03:55] <ruaraidh_> and for one reason or another it stopped while doing so
[03:55] <cosco> Pygi in RO its 4:55 am :D
[03:55] <pashaw> brasko,  i never leave my desk   getting secretary butt
[03:55] <Pygi> yes, I know, here, 3:55 am :P
[03:55] <brasko> pashaw: whoa. Does this apply to the mouse and keyboard? or just the mouse?
[03:56] <ruaraidh_> I might have stopped it, but I think there was some kind of problem
[03:56] <ruaraidh_> sorry, quite tired
[03:56] <pashaw> brasko,   it all stays on the windows machine   ubuntu  will only need power and network cable
[03:56] <cosco> Pygi are u downloading codecs?:D
[03:56] <Pygi> cosco: yesh
[03:56] <pashaw> brasko,   not even a monitor
[03:56] <Pygi> and installing them
[03:56] <brasko> pashaw: and the video cable, right?
[03:56] <brasko> huh?
[03:56] <brasko> hahaha
[03:56] <metho> hello, thanks very much pashaw and ubotu, i installed the mplayer without any problems (thanks again) is there any other divx player available
[03:56] <Pygi> cosco: you have enough bandwith?:)
[03:56] <cosco> yes.. but i dont have enough time coz my eyes close ;))
[03:57] <Pygi> cosco: ah, well, drink cofee :P
[03:57] <pashaw> ruaraidh_,   you can remove it   with remove --purge  then reinstall
[03:57] <cosco> :)) my parents are about to wake in 1 h :D
[03:57] <jhon_1> how to install adobe reaader 7.0?
[03:57] <brasko> pashaw: I'm mystified. What's the name of the server I have to install on windows? and the name of the client I have to install on ubuntu?
[03:57] <Pygi> after this please erase mario and pygi user.....
[03:57] <cosco> ok
[03:57] <Pygi> cosco: hoh, we'll be done in 1 hour....
[03:57] <cosco> lol
[03:57] <metho> pashaw, thanks very for the information refaeding the mplayer
[03:58] <cosco> Pygi ETA? estimated time till finish?:D
[03:58] <Dagda> johndarkhorse,  I can only see unrar-free in synaptic.  Do I need to add another repository, I have multivers binar and source checked
[03:58] <ruaraidh_> I tried sudo apt-get remove --purge gstreameretc., but it just tells me gstreamer isn't installed...
[03:58] <ruaraidh_> and ignores it
[03:58] <Pygi> cosco: 15 minutes?
[03:58] <cosco> nice
[03:58] <cosco> :D
[03:58] <pashaw> brasko,   if your just going from windows to Ubuntu use VNC  its preinstalled
[03:59] <pashaw> !tell brasko about vnc
[03:59] <cosco> what do i have to write in terminal to see info about my computer?
[03:59] <pashaw> brasko,   when you want to get fancy  setup terminalserver
[03:59] <brasko> pashaw: Thanks. Really appreciate it.
[03:59] <pashaw> brasko,   np
[04:00] <Pygi> cosco: the only thing I won't do for you is setup firefox to work with java....
[04:00] <ruaraidh_> sorry, running that command gives me "E: dpkg was interrupted... etc."
[04:00] <pashaw> cosco,    what info?
[04:00] <Pygi> welcome irv
[04:01] <cosco> Pygi, hmmm is it so annyoing?lol
[04:01] <pashaw> ruaraidh_,    try  sudo apt-get install -f <program>     whatever used the first time
[04:01] <cosco> in windows is quite simple
[04:01] <cosco> just downloading a plugin
[04:01] <cosco> :D
[04:01] <brasko> O, the terminal server is part of XVNC?
[04:02] <Pygi> cosco: well, not here, and I don't feel ike :P
[04:02] <pashaw> brasko,   terminalserver is seperate but does the same thing over a different protocol
[04:02] <Pygi> I wanna sleep :P
[04:02] <ruaraidh_> "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[04:02] <ruaraidh_> " :(
[04:02] <cosco> me too
[04:02] <cosco> :|
[04:02] <cosco> Pygi how old are you?
[04:02] <brasko> pashaw: I understand now. Why would I want to use the terminal server then, if it's similar to VNC?
[04:02] <Pygi> cosco: 136 years :)
[04:03] <cosco> nah..
[04:03] <cosco> 1337 years
[04:03] <brasko> pashaw: Sorry to keep this going :), I guess I'm just to curious
[04:03] <cosco> :P
[04:03] <pashaw> brasko,   youll learn something and may prefer the way it works
[04:03] <cosco> no.. seriously
[04:03] <cosco> how old?
[04:03] <poningru> ok seriously guys
[04:03] <brasko> haha, I see
[04:03] <Pygi> cosco: hm, I don't know :)
[04:03] <poningru> #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:03] <cosco> Pygi guess
[04:03] <cosco> :D
[04:04] <pashaw> brasko,   if you were going from Ubuntu into XP then youd want the terminalserver right away   VNC cant connect to the XP remote desktop
[04:04] <brasko> pashaw: Whoa, the terminal server can log into XP from Ubuntu?
[04:04] <irvin> morning all!
[04:04] <irvin> is there a backport for bootchart on breezy?
[04:05] <Pygi> mornin' irv
[04:05] <cosco> argh i have another question to you guys.. when i made the partitions in the ubuntu installer ... it veryfied the windows partition yoo .. and found some files and said they not corespond with 32 bite and staf.... ater ubuntu was installed i get a blue screen when xp startss... its kaputt..
[04:05] <brasko> pashaw: Are you saying I can get to the remote desktop on an XP home machine, if I have the terminal server?
[04:05] <metho> everyone HAPPY NEW YEAR
[04:05] <brasko> pashaw: And I can go from the windows machine into linux?
[04:06] <cosco> windows says about some hardware..
[04:06] <Pygi> Cosco, please erase my 2 account
[04:06] <cosco> pygi ure ready?
[04:06] <Pygi> cosco: yes
[04:06] <Pygi> cosco: you have everything setup but support for java in firefox
[04:06] <pashaw> ruaraidh_,   sudo apt-get --reinstall install <package>
[04:06] <Pygi> I didn't felt like doin' in in 4 in the mornin
[04:07] <cosco> Pygi
[04:07] <cosco> i have to reboot
[04:07] <cosco> to play mp3?
[04:07] <pashaw> brasko,   your planning to keep the keyboard connected to the XP  so just use VNC into Ubuntu   til you get the hang of it
[04:07] <Pygi> try.....
[04:07] <McJerry> brasko: get RealVNC enterprise for your windows xp machine
[04:07] <cosco> ok i reboot
[04:08] <McJerry> then you can vnc into linux and view linux desktop on the xp machine
[04:08] <McJerry> and visa versa
[04:08] <topyli> reboot? i was too late to tell him/her/it not to
[04:08] <brasko> pashaw: Sounds good, I've used VNC before. In fact, I think I used RealVNC. However, wouldn't tightvnc be good?
[04:08] <ruaraidh_> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[04:08] <ruaraidh_>  sorry
[04:08] <Pygi> huh, 2 hours of :/
[04:09] <pashaw> brasko,   yeah we didnt get to that part yet   for XP you can use any VNC program  tightVNC realVNC   as McJerry mentioned
[04:09] <Dagda> what repository is unrar-nonfree found in
[04:09] <metho> McJerry & Pashaw: can u not use some built-in options for remote controlling instead of using third party software
[04:09] <Dagda> I can't seem to find it anywhere
[04:09] <Pygi> dagda: probably multiverse
[04:09] <Dagda> I can find the free version, not the nonfree
[04:09] <spacey_ki> unrar-nonfree is definately in multiverse
[04:10] <spacey_ki> !multiverse
[04:10] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.kubuntu.org/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) see also !easysource
[04:10] <cosco> lets see
[04:10] <cello_rasp> it would be nice if there were a  vnc for linux that allowed saving passwords and copy+paste :|
[04:10] <brasko> pashaw: Just so I don't get ahead of myself, I should probably install either tightvnc or realvnc first, and then get ubuntu to talk to it, right?
[04:10] <david_m_e> ruaraidh: any idea where i can find: lib6g, lib6s, libqt3c102-mt
[04:10] <brasko> McJerry: why do you use realvnc over tightvnc?
[04:10] <pashaw> metho,   VNC is free and easy     great learning tool before trying terminalserver
[04:10] <Dagda> I have both the universe and multiverse checked, it doesn't find it
[04:10] <cosco> Pygi, i love you :D it works
[04:10] <spacey_ki> brasko, FreeNX
[04:10] <Pygi> cocso: hehe, congrats and enjoy :)
[04:11] <brasko> pashaw: OK, I'll take your advice on that
[04:11] <cosco> thank you very much
[04:11] <cosco> you and the other guys that helped me
[04:11] <Pygi> no problem :)
[04:11] <pashaw> brasko,   all you need is the vncviewer for the XP machine it doesnt even install
[04:11] <topyli> cello_rasp: xvnc-client does provide copy/paste
[04:11] <cosco> \:D/ feel the music
[04:11] <cosco> :>
[04:11] <McJerry> brasko: i use tightvnc in linux and realvnc on windowsxp because it simply works with no problems for me
[04:11] <brasko> OOOO, I see.
[04:11] <spacey_ki> FreeNX is ideal for remote desktop
[04:11] <Pygi> cosco: yes, after two hours of struggle :P
[04:11] <brasko> I need to setup the server on linux. cool. haha, and your saying it does that by default?
[04:11] <Kyral> FreeNX++
[04:11] <metho> Pashaw: i see ur point and i have been using VNC for past 6 months or so but now i am borred and wana try something new like terminalserver which seems to be harder but doable
[04:12] <pashaw> brasko,   then System>Pref>RemoteDesktop  on the Ubuntu machine set that up
[04:12] <cosco> pygi yup
[04:12] <cosco> :D
[04:12] <gnu2it2> i have new install ubuntu,, it is not setting of eth0 or routs on boot, any ideas? info is in /etc/network/interfaces
[04:12] <spacey_ki> metho, before you play with LTSP you should play with FreeNX ;)
[04:12] <pashaw> metho,   yes and yes   its harder and doable and really cool
[04:12] <cosco> i go to sleep now
[04:12] <cosco> bye guys
[04:12] <cosco> c'ya later
[04:12] <cosco> :D
[04:12] <brasko> pashaw: OK, I'll have to reboot :), unless you know of a command line to do it
[04:12] <Pygi> bye
[04:12] <Kyral> FreeNX is amazing
[04:12] <pashaw> brasko,    yeah get your mouse working to enable the Ubuntu settings
[04:13] <brasko> I'm looking at the freenx website, it's not Yet Another VNC?
[04:13] <topyli> brasko: you almost never need to reboot
[04:13] <Kyral> brasko: Faster, and over SSH
[04:13] <spacey_ki> brasko, you can install the packages from seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[04:13] <McJerry> brasko: but you can simply enable remote desktop access on your base ubuntu install and install realvnc on xp machine and connect right up
[04:13] <pashaw> brasko,   no its an improvement to terminalserver
[04:13] <spacey_ki> freenx is in that repository
[04:13] <brasko> pashaw: O, OK. I see.
[04:13] <spacey_ki> FreeNX is much nicer than VNC
[04:13] <brasko> pashaw: I'm definatly happy to take your advice, get VNC up, and then at least I have a mouse to play around with
[04:14] <McJerry> like pashaw said....we do agree it seems :)
[04:14] <metho> Pashaw: can u provide me a useful link for using/learning terminalserver instead of asking here like a dumbie!!!
[04:14] <pashaw> brasko,  VNC has been around forever   terminalused to cost thousands  now  NX   learned from all those other programs
[04:14] <newbiextrem> Hi everybody :D
[04:14] <McJerry> spacey_ki: if your freeNX session craps out, can you pick up where you left off?
[04:14] <brasko> McJerry: Yeah, I have to reboot to enable remote desktop on ubuntu, cause mouse doesn't work
[04:14] <spacey_ki> McJerry, suppose to yeah
[04:15] <ubuntu_> the passwd of root on cd live ubuntu????
[04:15] <ubuntu_> the passwd of root on cd live ubuntu????
[04:15] <spacey_ki> you can suspend you current session for sure in freenx
[04:15] <topyli> brasko: then it's a bug, not working as advertised. report the bug
[04:15] <johndarkhorse> ubuntu_: there is none
[04:15] <pashaw> metho,   google  linux terminal server guide  youll find a bunch
[04:15] <McJerry> ubuntu_ is encrypted random password
[04:15] <spacey_ki> ubuntu_, just type sudo -i
[04:15] <poningru> ubuntu_: none
[04:15] <spacey_ki> McJerry, no its not
[04:15] <brasko> topyli: I'm using a KVM
[04:15] <spacey_ki> there is no password
[04:15] <metho> Pashaw: thanks!
[04:15] <spacey_ki> its disabled
[04:16] <poningru> yeah you just sudo
[04:16] <ubuntu_> ok
[04:17] <topyli> brasko: oh sorry, i thought you were talking about vnc or tightvnc. i know nothing about KVM
[04:17] <spacey> KVM has nothing to do with VNC
[04:18] <topyli> i see that now :)
[04:18] <poimen> hello !
[04:18] <metho> can i ask a stupid question... i want to type su instead of sudo for admin tasks!! is that possible in ubuntu???
[04:18] <ruaraidh_> thx, everyone
[04:18] <poimen> happy new year!
[04:19] <metho> happy new year
[04:19] <poimen> :)
[04:19] <topyli> damn sabbath's fluff is good :)
[04:19] <david_m_e> Seveas: you there?
[04:19] <Note> I cant start mol
[04:19] <johndarkhorse> ubotu: tell metho about root
[04:19] <Note> this error appear startmol --osx
[04:19] <Note> Mac-on-Linux 0.9.70 [Jul 23 2005 19:20]
[04:19] <Note> Copyright (C) 1997-2004 Samuel Rydh
[04:19] <Note> Starting MOL session 1
[04:19] <Note> Loading Mac-on-Linux kernel module:
[04:19] <Note> FATAL: Module mol not found.
[04:19] <Note> [04:19] <Note>   Failed to load the Mac-on-Linux kernel module -- please install
[04:19] <newbiextrem> Is there a guy here who knows PHP ? I'm really bad with that language (and in English too :D) and I'm not sure how to fix the error that appears on the top : http://welcometux.ath.cx:65500/punbb_final_save/viewtopic.php?id=257
[04:19] <Note>   mol-modules-source and build your own, or find a binary package
[04:19] <Toma-> got flud?
[04:20] <poimen> I hope 2006 will be agreate year for ubuntu and kubuntu and linux
[04:20] <topyli> metho: it's possible. just give root a password using sudo. why do you want to do that?
[04:20] <McJerry> ubuntu_: are you still here
[04:20] <Pygi> newbieextrem: this has nothing to do with ubuntu :P
[04:20] <Pygi> use #php
[04:21] <Note> sry yeesh
[04:21] <newbiextrem> Oh yeah sorry... But Ubuntu forums use punBB :D
[04:21] <gnu2it2> i have new install ubuntu,, it is not setting of eth0 or routs on boot, any ideas? info is in /etc/network/interfaces
[04:21] <Pygi> newbiextrem: hehe :)
[04:21] <timfrost> metho, 'sudo -i' is equivalent to 'su -'
[04:21] <johndarkhorse> ubotu: tell Note about pastebin
[04:21] <brasko> OK, I think I got the remove desktop working
[04:21] <brasko> now I'll install the client.
[04:22] <metho> Johndrakehorse: thanks
[04:22] <metho> timfrost: thanks
[04:22] <Pygi> gnomefreak: ping?
[04:23] <metho> Bye everyone
[04:23] <david_m_e> to at-large:  any idea where i can find: lib6g, lib6s, libqt3c102-mt ?
[04:23] <metho> enjoy new year day
[04:23] <Pygi> k, bye and enjoy :)))
[04:23] <purpleheart_USMC> Is it possible to do everything with a live cd that you can do with an installed ubuntu?
[04:24] <pashaw> purpleheart_USMC,  yes  but youll have to do it everytime you reboot
[04:24] <brasko> when using realvnc viewer, what do I put for the Server?
[04:24] <purpleheart_USMC> i see
[04:24] <brasko> I used the IP, and it doesn't seem to connect.
[04:24] <newbiextrem> I was just wondering how to get the member name because if I replace the variable "poster_name" in the following line by the author name's found in the topic it works : $poster_name = mysql_fetch_row($db->query('SELECT username FROM '.$db->prefix.'users WHERE id="'.$pun_user['id'] .'"'));
[04:24] <pashaw> brasko,    ip address for Ubuntu machine
[04:24] <brasko> I can ping, with cmd, the IP just fine
[04:25] <brasko> I wonder if I didn't start the service
[04:25] <newbiextrem> well it doesn't concern Ubuntu so I guess the question has nothing to do here :(
[04:25] <molinero> Hello Ubuntu users!
[04:25] <jdcaserockies> Can someone tell me how to make rhythmbox the default player for all music files? My friend set it to XMMS, but I removed XMMS.
[04:25] <molinero> Happy New Year
[04:25] <jdcaserockies> happy new year, where are you?
[04:26] <pashaw> brasko, you might want to do a quick   ifconfig on the ubuntu machine to verify the ip
[04:26] <Toma-> im nursing my new year hangover :|~~~
[04:26] <Dagda> thanks for the help, I thought i had enabled all of the extra repositories, I followed a tutorial that showed me how to do it in the terminal.  I can now unpack rar files.  You guys are great, thanks again!
[04:26] <jdcaserockies> How do you choose file type associations?
[04:26] <brasko> pashaw: whoa, good point
[04:27] <brasko> yeah, the IP is good
[04:27] <brasko> what's the name of the vnc server process?
[04:27] <brasko> I could check to see if it's running
[04:27] <Irvine> how to run wine after installed?
[04:27] <pashaw> brasko,   yiou enabled  allow users to control and allow the view  right
[04:27] <Toma-> Irvine: "wine windowsprogram.exe" in a terminal
[04:27] <jdcaserockies> apps -> run -> wine?
[04:27] <brasko> yes
[04:27] <pashaw> brash i always use require password also
[04:27] <brasko> the top 2 are checked, the bottom 2 unchecked
[04:27] <Iga> or simply "wine" into a terminal
[04:28] <brasko> Do you know what port vnc starts on ubuntu?
[04:28] <brasko> I could use netstat -l?
[04:28] <McJerry> brasko: what machine is the client?
[04:29] <brasko> the client is windows xp home machine. realvnc.
[04:29] <jdcaserockies> anybody know how I can pick file associations?
[04:29] <brasko> the server is newly installed ubuntu.
[04:29] <Irvine> Toma-,cannot find windowsprogram.exe
[04:29] <johndarkhorse> jdcaserockies: right click in nautilus and choose properties. have fun
[04:29] <McJerry> click options button, then misc tab and check 3.3 protocol, see if that works
[04:29] <purpleheart_USMC> Does Ubuntu support external hdd's?  Like the USB ones?
[04:29] <jdcaserockies> thx
[04:29] <Shadyman> purpleheart_USMC: Yes.
[04:29] <timfrost> brasko, try 'netstat -nat' (the a to get the ports that are listening
[04:30] <Toma-> Irvine: you need to find the executable, eg. "MSN.exe" or "Nero.exe" and put it after "wine"
[04:30] <pashaw> brasko,   you typed just the ip into the vnc server box  right
[04:30] <jdcaserockies> johndarkhorse: when i right click no properties comes up
[04:30] <brasko> OK, nothing is listening, except on localhost
[04:30] <purpleheart_USMC> Shadyman: Is there any speciffic brand, or does it cover pretty much all of them?
[04:30] <dustin> can anyone here tell me what the different between file_get_contents("http://www.website.com/tables.php?jump=690"); is and me typing http://www.website.com/tables.php?jump=690 in the address window........ the site seems to know that it is a script and it does not load all the required information
[04:30] <brasko> pashaw: yes
[04:30] <johndarkhorse> jdcaserockies: the context menu doesnt say
[04:30] <johndarkhorse> 'properties' at the bottom?
[04:30] <dooglus> purpleheart_USMC: it doesn't support mine
[04:31] <jdcaserockies> no, am I right clicking in the right place?
[04:31] <Irvine> cannot find wine.exe
[04:31] <brasko> I suppose I didn't actually setup the vnc server properly
[04:31] <zeljko> hi guys
[04:31] <purpleheart_USMC> oh.  i saw a 100gb drivee for $80 and got interested
[04:31] <zeljko> hepy new year
[04:31] <dooglus> purpleheart_USMC: I have an external maxtor 250Gb hard disk and ubuntu doesn't work well with either its USB2 or Firewire interfaces
[04:31] <Iga> Irvine > wine.exe ?
[04:31] <Irvine> how to run wine?
[04:31] <brasko> looks like port 5900 should be listening?
[04:32] <johndarkhorse> ubotu: tell Irvine about wine
[04:32] <dooglus> purpleheart_USMC: I don't think it's a problem with ubuntu specifically, no linux distro seems to work with it
[04:32] <purpleheart_USMC> but if its 1.1 compatible it should be fine?
[04:32] <pashaw> brasko,    did you enable a firewall   like firestarter
[04:32] <johndarkhorse> brasko: only if you're running it through a ssh tunnel
[04:32] <Irvine> i just installed by synaptic package manager
[04:32] <brasko> pashaw: definatly not, unless it does it by default
[04:32] <brasko> I haven't done anything to this machine yet
[04:33] <brasko> mostly cause the mouse doesn't work :)
[04:33] <Iga> just type "wine" into a shell
[04:33] <brasko> Yeah, the vnc server hasn't started
[04:33] <brasko> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/vnc/list/53313?page=last
[04:33] <brasko> It says port 5900 should be listening
[04:33] <timfrost> brasko, 5900 is the correct port.
[04:33] <brasko> OK, so, it didn't start up
[04:34] <Irvine> how to cd to desktop?
[04:34] <Iga> Irvine > or go into the directory where the .exe you want to run is with the "cd" command, then type "wine ...exe"
[04:34] <Shadyman> irvine: cd ~/Desktop/
[04:35] <Iga> cd  ~/Desktop/
[04:35] <Shadyman> Irvine: Note the capital D.
[04:35] <Iga> use "tab" after having typed "D"
[04:35] <pashaw> brasko,    type  ps -ale | grep vino
[04:36] <Iga> then, just type "wine ./xxxxx.exe"
[04:36] <Toma-> no need for ./
[04:37] <Iga> ah? I did it, but if it's useless...
[04:37] <cafuego> Iga: Much of a muchness.
[04:37] <pashaw> brasko,    type    netstat -an | grep :5900
[04:37] <Shadyman> Is there a tool for ubuntu like chkconfig to check the init levels of init.d files?
[04:37] <Toma-> ./ just tells it to look in the cwd. something thats done by default anhyway :D~
[04:37] <dooglus> purpleheart_USMC: I'm not sure whether it worked with 1.1 or not.  I think maybe it did, but it's been so long since I used it now.
[04:38] <cafuego> brasko: Playing with vnc?
[04:38] <Toma-> Shadyman: its called bum.
[04:38] <Shadyman> Toma-: Ok...
[04:38] <purpleheart_USMC> dooglus: ty
[04:38] <Toma-> :P~
[04:38] <jdcaserockies> how od i make rhythmbox the default player?
[04:38] <Toma-> !info bum
[04:38] <ubotu> bum: (tool to manage bootup scripts), section universe/admin, is optional. Version: 1.3.2-1 (breezy), Packaged size: 55 kB, Installed size: 348 kB
[04:38] <dooglus> purpleheart_USMC: actually, yes, it did work with USB 1.1.  that's right.  I remember backing up my laptop's 40Gb hard disk to it one night using USB1 and it was fine.
[04:38] <Shadyman> Aha.
[04:39] <brasko> pashaw: after reboot, it was up
[04:39] <dooglus> purpleheart_USMC: it took all night, but it was fine.
[04:39] <brasko> pashaw: It's working now, this is great!
[04:39] <Shadyman> Toma-: Thanks. I thoguht maybe you were joking or something... *shifty*
[04:39] <purpleheart_USMC> heh, sweet
[04:39] <Toma-> i have one wicked hangover :|~
[04:39] <poningru> jdcaserockies: default for what?
[04:39] <Toma-> hehehe :D
[04:39] <brasko> cafuego: yeah
[04:39] <pashaw> brasko,   thats only the beginning   terminalserver and then FreeNX are even better
[04:39] <jdcaserockies> poningru: all music files
[04:39] <brasko> I guess I have some configuration now
[04:39] <brasko> the window is appropriatly sized
[04:40] <pashaw> brasko,   think your wife could handle that?
[04:40] <Irvine> how to install real layer?
[04:40] <Irvine> how to install real player?
[04:40] <Toma-> !realplayer
[04:40] <brasko> haha, definatly! Now she doesn't have to do *anything*
[04:40] <ubotu> realplayer is, like, totally, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:40] <pashaw> brasko,   its working now    so its click and login
[04:40] <purpleheart_USMC> i'm getting a p2 300mhz, 256mb ram, with 40gb hdd for $10 on ebay with $20 shipping
[04:40] <Irvine> i get this ./RealPlayer10GOLD.bin: error while loading shar ed libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared  object file: No such file or directory
[04:40] <purpleheart_USMC> nice little play box
[04:40] <poningru> just find a file with whatever music format
[04:40] <poningru> brb
[04:40] <cafuego> purpleheart_USMC: Nice server.
[04:40] <pashaw> brasko,   like i said KVMs are old school  :P
[04:40] <crimsun> Irvine: install libstdc++5
[04:40] <Toma-> purpleheart_USMC: that'll be perfect for anything :)
[04:40] <jdcaserockies> poningru: then what?
[04:40] <brasko> Yeah, It totally stinks
[04:40] <mebsd> it's just waste of money
[04:41] <Irvine> how?
[04:41] <Shadyman> irvine: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[04:41] <brasko> Thanks for all the help!
[04:41] <crimsun> Irvine: use Synaptic
[04:41] <pashaw> brasko,  have fun
[04:41] <purpleheart_USMC> oh, and it already has ubuntu 5.1 lol
[04:41] <sorush20>  guys my kde login screen is very bad.. I don't know how to describe it.. it seems like the resolution is out of range ... but xorg config autodetected the refresh rates and resolutions any help please.
[04:42] <brasko> So, how do I configure the X server so that I can move the windows around?
[04:42] <brasko> It looks like I don't have a window manager running or something
[04:42] <brasko> is that the default in ubuntu?
[04:43] <brasko> There's no border, to move the windows with
[04:43] <pashaw> brasko,   huh?  ohh its not full screen
[04:43] <yatesy> running twm?
[04:43] <Kyral> ick Twm
[04:43] <brasko> well, even when I'm at the linux machine, it looks full screen
[04:43] <Toma-> twm 4 lyfe!
[04:43] <brasko> but if I open a terminal, there is only the scrool on the right
[04:43] <yatesy> brasko: running twm?
[04:43] <brasko> but no menu on top or window, so that I can drag it
[04:43] <brasko> the default gnome setup
[04:43] <pashaw> brasko,    right click the window border on the XP machines VNC session
[04:44] <pashaw> brasko,   youll get your menu commands
[04:44] <yatesy> been messing about with packages?
[04:44] <jdcaserockies> how can i make my default music player rhythmbox?
[04:44] <pashaw> brasko,   read the full screen warning  so you know how to get out
[04:45] <Irvine> crimsun,now it asked me real player has been downloaded to where?
[04:46] <Irvine> i saved my real player into my desktop
[04:46] <Delvien> Ok guys need a little help.. Anyone know where the C header files are in Dapper drake?
[04:46] <Irvine> what should i type?
[04:47] <Iga> it is a .deb package ?
[04:47] <crimsun> Irvine: then it's in ~/Desktop/
[04:47] <Iga> type "cd ~/Desktop"
[04:48] <Iga> then "sudo dkpg -i xxxxx.deb"
[04:48] <Irvine> how to install real player by command?
[04:48] <Iga> is it a .deb package ?
[04:49] <brasko> Just a hint to you all in the future. realvnc won't work until you actually log in to the X server
[04:49] <Delvien> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
[04:49] <Delvien> kernel?   Anyone help me with this?
[04:49] <Delvien> woops
[04:49] <Irvine> no
[04:49] <brasko> if you try to use it at the login prompt, it won't work
[04:49] <Toma-> Irvine: "sh realplayer.bin"
[04:49] <quacker> Irvine, follow the instructions for the binary on their site -- there is no other way since Real does not provide source or .deb pkgs
[04:50] <Iga> I found a .deb package 2 weeks ago
[04:50] <sls> does anyone here do any riping?
[04:51] <sls> of movies...
[04:51] <cafuego> ripening? ripping?
[04:51] <jdcaserockies> ok is there something like gdesklets but much better?
[04:51] <sls> ropping...
[04:51] <Toma-> haha
[04:51] <sls> ripping.. sorry typo...
[04:51] <cafuego> jdcaserockies: Only in MacOS X.
[04:51] <bshumate> i have a couple of movies which will be ripe in a few days...then i will dice them up and add them to a home-made spaghetti sauce! mmmm!
[04:51] <cafuego> sls: Same answer fot you.
[04:52] <Toma-> jdcaserockies: better in what way?
[04:52] <sls> yeah!
[04:52] <Delvien> How does one find out what kernal version they are using?
[04:52] <jdcaserockies> I mean i dont understand gDesklets because none of the actually work. Something like superkaramba
[04:52] <Toma-> uname -a
[04:52] <evilghost> uname -r
[04:52] <cafuego> Delvien: uname -r
[04:52] <sls> cafugeo: i have a mans foto!
[04:52] <brasko_> OK, I'm on the ubuntu box now
[04:52] <sls> or fotto...
[04:52] <Delvien> cafuego thanks
[04:52] <cafuego> sls: stop scaring me!
[04:52] <brasko_> There definatly is no way to move this window
[04:52] <sls> they did not spell it in roots.
[04:52] <brasko_> There must not be a window manager
[04:53] <brasko_> is that something I could have possibly screwed up on install?
[04:53] <brasko_> There were no options or anything for it?
[04:53] <sls> any way... i am trying to rip a swedish movie... and the frames are ... well jerky...
[04:53] <sls> regular us region stuff is ok...
[04:53] <sls> any ideas....
[04:54] <sls> how does xime handle pal vs ntsc?
[04:54] <evilghost> sls:  What commands/arguments are you using to rip?  I think you mean xine, right?
[04:54] <johndarkhorse> sls: it's all data to computer video players
[04:54] <sls> ok
[04:55] <brasko_> and I go to system->preferences->windows and get this error
[04:55] <sls> i have tried it with DVDrip from sourceforge... and:
[04:55] <brasko_> "Cannot start the preferences application for your window manager"
[04:55] <brasko_> "Window manager "unknown" has not registered a configuration tool
[04:55] <brasko_> Am I the only one here that's run into this problem?
[04:55] <sls> mencoder dvd://1 -dvd-device /dev/dvd  -alang English   -info srcform="Movie created using method (r)" -oac mp3lame -lameopts abr:br=128  -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vhq:v4mv:vqmin=2:vbitrate=2514     -o "/home/$USER/out.avi"
[04:55] <sls> ~
[04:56] <sls> that is mplayers decoder..
[04:56] <Jeff12088> hey people
[04:57] <Jeff12088> fine.. no hi's
[04:57] <evilghost> jeffisageek:  Hello
[04:57] <evilghost> Jeff12088:  er, hello.
[04:57] <brasko_> I mean, how do I install a window manager? Everything seems to be working great, but this is a wierd problem to have with an initial install
[04:57] <brasko_> I mean, it got X to work, which is nice
[04:58] <evilghost> brakso_:  You tried "sudo apt-get install gnome"?
[04:58] <evilghost> brakso_: Or even KDE?
[04:58] <brasko_> evilghost: no, I just installed today
[04:58] <brasko_> evilghost: from cd
[04:58] <brasko_> evilghost: this is the "standard" install
[04:58] <evilghost> brasko:  Breezy or Drake?
[04:58] <brasko_> evilghost: Breezy
[04:58] <brasko_> evilghost: Everything seems great, except this.
[04:59] <jdcaserockies> where's the best site to get gdesklets
[04:59] <evilghost> brasko_:  That's quite odd, I've done a 5.04 to 5.10 upgrade without that issue; try installing gnome, or a valid WM.
[04:59] <brasko_> do you still recomend the sudo command?
[04:59] <Delvien> cafuego heya, do you know where the C Header files that match the running kernal are? VMware is asking for them.  But the default it is looking for doesnt have them. evedently
[04:59] <johndarkhorse> Delvien: kernel-headers
[04:59] <Delvien> johndarkhorse i installed them , but it still doesnt show them
[04:59] <johndarkhorse> Delvien: or kernel-source (i can't ever  remember)
[05:00] <evilghost> Delvien:  apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[05:00] <dragoon> johndarkhorse, that's the package name for Fedora, not debian.
[05:00] <evilghost> Delvien:  also, apt-get install build-essential (most likely what you are looking for as well)
[05:00] <Delvien> evilghost installed that too, nothing
[05:01] <leagris> hello
[05:01] <dragoon> Seems like linux-kernel-headers is what you want, from dpkg *kernel*
[05:01] <Delvien> evilghost idk its looking in/usr/src/linux/include
[05:01] <leagris> anyone can help with reading dvd issue ?
[05:01] <tuv> sudo hddtemp /dev/sda returns valid temp. while telnet localhost 7634 returns unk (unknown).. what could be wrong?
[05:01] <evilghost> Delvien:  What error/issue are you having, there are issues with GCC 3.4 and the newer GCC with breezy.
[05:01] <brasko_> This is totoally frustrating
[05:01] <leagris> I have read and followed instruction on the non-free format section of the wiki
[05:02] <brasko_> Is Breezy the correct CD to install?
[05:02] <evilghost> brakso_:  Did you try installing gnome as I instructed? :)
[05:02] <brasko_> well, I did. I'll show you the output
[05:02] <leagris> but libdvdread: Can't open /dev/dvd for reading
[05:02] <Hoxzer> what software would be good to check my cpu tempature?
[05:02] <crimsun> acpi -t
[05:02] <brasko_> Package gnome is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:02] <brasko_> ...
[05:02] <Delvien> evilghost its just asking for those headers.. Im installing Vmware
[05:02] <evilghost> brakso_:  What does your /var/log/Xorg.0.log say?
[05:02] <tuv> how can i get hddtemp to work correctly in daemon mode so that gkrellm can read from it?
[05:02] <johndarkhorse> ubotu: tell leagris about livdvdcss2
[05:02] <liquidboy> ive got xfm installed, how do i start it? (typing xfm in a command line does nothing)
[05:03] <poningru> Hoxzer: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SensorInstallHowto?highlight=%28sensor%29
[05:03] <poningru> !sensor
[05:03] <ubotu> sensor is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SensorInstallHowto
[05:03] <Delvien> evilghost i exported the gcc3.4 now, see if it works
[05:03] <evilghost> Delvien:  You have build-essential, kernel-source, and linux-headers-`uname -r` right?
[05:03] <timfrost> evilghost, gcc 3.4 is what the kernel for breezy is built with.  VMWare needs to build a module with that compiler
[05:03] <leagris> johndarkhorse, I installed libdvdcss2 and install script as stated in the wiki.ubuntu
[05:03] <johndarkhorse> ubotu: tell leagris about libdvdcss2
[05:03] <Delvien> evilghost yeppers
[05:03] <Locke> does anyone know how to set up surround sound?
[05:03] <Eleaf> HI!
[05:03] <evilghost> Delvien:  Ok, that is a known issue with the Nvidia drivers as well (that's where I remember if from), hopefully that'll fix it.
[05:03] <brasko_> what would an interesting line be? There's a few (WW), but they look OK
[05:03] <crimsun> Locke: which music app are you using?
[05:03] <johndarkhorse> leagris: oh, ok. is your player pointed at the proper mount point?
[05:04] <evilghost> brakso_:  cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log|grep -i EE
[05:04] <Delvien> evilghost that did it
[05:04] <evilghost> Delvien:  Sweetness ;)
[05:04] <Locke> crimsun: whichever you like the best, i guarantee i have it, lol, but XMMS at the moment
[05:04] <Delvien> evilghost got a bunch of other erros though :(
[05:04] <crimsun> Locke: what config are you trying to use?
[05:04] <brasko_> no lines start with that
[05:04] <evilghost> Delvien:  There isn't a deb package for VMWware?
[05:04] <Delvien> evilghost is there?
[05:05] <leagris> johndarkhorse, yes it is /dev/hdc -> /dev/dvd
[05:05] <brasko_> What's the default window manager for gnome on ubuntu?
[05:05] <leagris> /dev/hdc is the dvd drive
[05:05] <Delvien> evilghost (im running dapper right now)
[05:05] <brasko_> Is it swordfish? or something like that?
[05:05] <Jeff12088> =o my first time editing a wiki entry
[05:05] <Locke> crimsun: i have no idea, all i know is i just got these 5.1 speakers and i have a 7.1 card, but no matter what i do it doesn't play sound out the center, or 2 rear speakers
[05:05] <BlueEagle> Happy new year!
[05:05] <evilghost> brasko_:  Gnome I believe, unless you install KUbuntu
[05:05] <tuv> anybody using hddtemp with gkrellm??
[05:05] <liquidboy> :P
[05:05] <skiy> Happy new year to you also BlueEagle
[05:05] <crimsun> Locke: then you need to use plug:surround51 or plug:surround71 as the device in the ALSA output plugin's selection
[05:05] <ed_> happy new years to all!!!!!!!
[05:06] <skiy> ed_: ho ho ho... wait, that was xmas
[05:06] <crimsun> Locke: and make sure you've unmuted and increased the appropriate LFE, Center, Rear, Surround mixer elements
[05:06] <brasko_> evilghost: Yeah, well, gnome isn't a window manager, right?
[05:06] <Jeff12088> Happy new years.. just 4 more hours here
[05:06] <brasko_> I mean, I'm running gnome now
[05:06] <brasko_> That's not the problem.
[05:06] <brasko_> I just don't have a window manager for some reason
[05:06] <skiy> brasko neither is kde, if you want to be pedantic :)
[05:06] <Locke> how do i get to ALSA output?
[05:06] <skiy> brasko go to a Virtual Terminal "Ctrl-Alt-F1"
[05:06] <evilghost> brasko: right
[05:06] <brasko_> right, so what's the default window manager gnome uses with ubuntu?
[05:06] <brasko_> skiy: OK, then what?
[05:07] <skiy> brasko type "EXPORT DISPLAY=:0"
[05:07] <skiy> then "metacity"
[05:07] <crimsun> Locke: options-> preferences
[05:07] <timfrost> Delvien, have a look at the Wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VmWare
[05:07] <brasko_> OK
[05:07] <Locke> crimsun: then what?
[05:07] <Jeff12088> check out this site www.neave.com awsome design
[05:07] <SWAT> is there a BOINC project going on for treating cancer? (does anyone know by any chance?)
[05:07] <crimsun> Locke: plugins?
[05:07] <skiy> brasko PS, the WM is called metacity, this should start it for you, but if you see errors, tell us what they are :)
[05:08] <brasko_> hahah, nice!
[05:08] <Locke> crimsun: i don't see anything that says plugins
[05:08] <brasko_> skiy: that definatly fixed the problem
[05:08] <crimsun> Locke: output?
[05:08] <timfrost> Delvien, note thast the Wili article is for breezy, so assumes the breezy compiler versions
[05:08] <leagris> johndarkhorse, any idea ?
[05:08] <brasko_> so, why wouldn't that start by default?
[05:08] <crimsun> Locke: I don't have xmms installed; just read the tabs
[05:08] <brasko_> man, it's nice to have a window manager :)
[05:08] <skiy> brasko_ :) glad to help
[05:08] <brasko_> I remember I used to use swordfish, or something like that
[05:09] <brasko_> Now, how to automate it?
[05:09] <skiy> brasko_, Maybe edit ~/.xinitrc and see what is in there
[05:09] <djm62> brasko_: those were the days....
[05:09] <Locke> crimsun: well if you know how to do it on another media player which is that, cuz i will download it if it will work
[05:09] <brasko_> geez, I thought debian/testing kept me up to date
[05:09] <Hoxzer> eh.... could you guys lett me know where is lm-sersors source directory located?
[05:09] <skiy> brasko, maybe put two lines "metacity &" and "exec gnome-session"
[05:09] <brasko_> absolutly everything is different here
[05:10] <crimsun> Locke: give me a screenshot (pastebin) of your options screen in xmms
[05:10] <waveblaster> is there a apt repository for mythtv or freevo for hoary??????
[05:10] <crimsun> !info mythtv
[05:10] <ubotu> mythtv: (A personal video recorder application (client and server)), section multiverse/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.18.1-5 (breezy), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 64 kB
[05:10] <waveblaster> ta
[05:10] <waveblaster> !info mythtv
[05:10] <Delvien> timfrost aye, reading it over tonight, i think i ran the update instead of the confige like the last time i installed VMware
[05:10] <n2zstik> hi..i've an ipw2100 wireless adapter...how to unload it during boot?
[05:10] <brasko_> The last line is 'exec $WINDOWMANAGER'
[05:10] <matt_> hello
[05:11] <brasko_> so that variable must not be set in the script for some reason
[05:11] <Hoxzer> damn...
[05:11] <leagris> I followed instructions here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?highlight=%28dvd%29
[05:11] <leagris> but DVD reading sill fail
[05:11] <brasko_> $ env|grep WINDOWMANAGER
[05:11] <brasko_> WINDOWMANAGER=/usr/bin/gnome-session
[05:11] <leagris> libdvdread: Can't open /dev/dvd for reading
[05:11] <brasko_> I wonder why that is set :)
[05:11] <Locke> crimsun whats the pastebin url again?
[05:11] <crimsun> !pastebin
[05:11] <ubotu> well, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[05:12] <Locke> !pastebin
[05:12] <tuv> why hddtemp work interactively but doesn't in /etc/init.d/hddtemp ?
[05:12] <brasko_> in my .bashrc I have
[05:12] <brasko_> export WINDOWMANAGER=/usr/bin/gnome-session
[05:12] <brasko_> Is this correct?
[05:13] <brasko_> or from my old debian install?
[05:13] <waveblaster> crimsun !info mythtv isnt exactly helpful
[05:13] <crimsun> waveblaster: sure it is
[05:13] <johndarkhorse> leagris: try /media/cdrom or cdrom0
[05:13] <crimsun> !info mythtv hoary
[05:13] <evilghost> brasko_:  Let me check my system.
[05:13] <brasko_> evilghost: Thanks!
[05:13] <tuv> leagris: what dvd player are you using?
[05:13] <crimsun> note that the info output by default is for breezy.
[05:13] <Locke> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6435
[05:14] <evilghost> brasko_:  I don't have the WINDOWMANAGER option set in my ~/.bashrc
[05:14] <brasko_> OK, I'll take it out
 No idea
[05:14] <evilghost> brasko_: env|grep WINDOWMANAGER returns no value/null.
[05:14] <crimsun> Locke: audio plugins
[05:14] <brasko_> That sounds like my problem
[05:14] <brasko_> I probably set that in my last debian install for some reason
[05:14] <brasko_> be back, to test this out!
[05:14] <leagris> tuv Model=TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-M1612, FwRev=1004
[05:14] <Locke> crimsun: i don't see anything for surround51
[05:15] <leagris> worked fine with Mandrake 9.2
[05:15] <leagris> and worked fine as well with Mandrake 10.3
[05:15] <tuv> leagris: no i meant the software you are using to play dvd
[05:15] <crimsun> Locke: choose the alsa output plugin
[05:15] <Locke> crimusn: ok... i tried that, and nothing
[05:15] <leagris> tuv, Totem fails telling my I may be trying to play a protected DVD
[05:15] <Delvien> timfrost evilghost http://pastebin.com/485844
[05:16] <leagris> xine fail it can't handle dvd://
[05:16] <bshumate> !beer
[05:16] <johndarkhorse> leagris: welcome to the world of legal warnings as a standard
[05:16] <tuv> leagris: i'd try ogle before i run into troubleshooting
[05:16] <evilghost> Delvien: Enroute
[05:16] <leagris> tuv ogle is a joke, but I try now
[05:17] <ubuntu_> hello
[05:17] <ubuntu_> happy new year 2006
[05:17] <ubuntu_> :)
[05:17] <leagris> ogle complains as well with libdvdread: Can't open /dev/dvd for reading
[05:17] <tuv> i've a file that i want run at boot but by user not root.. can this be done in /etc/init.d/
[05:17] <tuv> ?
[05:17] <leagris> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 3 2006-01-01 04:58 /dev/dvd -> hdc
[05:17] <Locke> crimsun: ... thanks for the help i suppose, it helped me a lot more than i was helping myself, heh
[05:17] <johndarkhorse> leagris: point your player at /media/cdrom or /media/cdrom0
[05:18] <ubuntu_> dose anyone know the password for admin in Ubuntu 5.10
[05:18] <ubuntu_> ??
[05:18] <evilghost> Delvien:  Check Google, seeing lots of folks with same issues on Kernel 2.6.x
[05:18] <johndarkhorse> ubotu: tell ubuntu_ about sudo
[05:18] <leagris> that work with pointing to /media/cdrom0 why ?
[05:18] <ubuntu_> cuz i don't know what is the password .. version 5.10
[05:18] <johndarkhorse> leagris: ubuntu doesnt use the standard the the player was compiled with
[05:18] <leagris> whay can't it handle dvd:// MRL ?
[05:19] <Davey`> I just saw this on the forums: To put the menu bar of the current application on the top of the screen, Go to System Settings -> Desktop -> General and set the preference there.
[05:19] <Davey`> but I can't find that menu combination
[05:19] <Jeff12088> hi bob
[05:19] <Delvien> evilghost what exactly is the problem though? some header im missing?
[05:19] <Davey`> anyone know what it should be?
[05:19] <leagris> may I linke /dev/dvd to /meda/cdrom0 ?
[05:19] <leagris> When I insert the CD totem is automatically launched
[05:19] <jindol2k> d
[05:19] <ubuntu_> johndarkhorse , i'm using Vmware Version
[05:19] <brasko_> hey guys, things are definatly getting better.
[05:19] <leagris> but It wont launch dvd reading
[05:19] <bshumate> tuv: you could put a line in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh like : su [user]  -c [command]  to have the command run at boot time as a specific non uid 0 user...
[05:19] <evilghost> Delvien:  No, I think it's a header/kernel version difference, with 2.6.x not being supported by vmware.
[05:20] <brasko_> however, metacity doesn't start up by default?
[05:20] <evilghost> Delvien:  But that's just a SWAG.
[05:20] <brasko_> I would really like to get this to work this year! :)
[05:20] <brasko_> Does the .xinitrc file get used when the system starts?
[05:20] <Locke> crimsun: any idea where i can get the surround51 plugin?
[05:20] <evilghost> brasko_:  Yeah, let me check my stuff
[05:20] <bshumate> brasko_: you still mucking about with VNC?
[05:21] <brasko_> no, not VNC, I'm native on the linux box
[05:21] <brasko_> The window manager doesn't start by default
[05:21] <brasko_> I have to start it
[05:21] <tuv> bshumate: hmm.. will try that.. thanks
[05:21] <brasko_> I'm wondering if root starts the window manager, or my local user?
[05:21] <bshumate> brasko_: ahh...bummer.
[05:21] <brasko_> on a fresh boot
[05:22] <brasko_> If I new which command it was, I could probalby keep starting it, until ti works
[05:22] <rooo_> hi guys ... i used to use pine for mails. Any ncurses mail you guys can recommend?
[05:22] <brasko_> yeah, mutt
[05:22] <evilghost> brasko_:  I"m not sure where I define my WM either, I'm looking here locally.
[05:22] <rooo_> bra1nf00d: thanks
[05:22] <brasko_> I've been using it for years. works nice.
[05:22] <rooo_> brasko_: thanks
[05:22] <crimsun> Locke: you don't need to download anything
[05:22] <crimsun> Locke: are you looking at the alsa plugin preferences?
[05:22] <Locke> crimsun: yes
[05:22] <intelikey> brasko unless it has changed X runs as root.    when a user does a startx  it is suid 0
[05:23] <brasko_> so when I boot the machine, is there a log of the stuff that it does?
[05:23] <timfrost> brasko_, .xinitrc is not installed by breezy.  It must be an artifact of another distribution.
[05:23] <crimsun> Locke: in the device selection text entry field/drop-down menu, you can type: plug:surround51
[05:23] <brasko_> Yeah, unfortunatly I had debian installed before
[05:23] <Delvien> evilghost might it be because im running the new kernal 2.6.15?
[05:23] <evilghost> Delvien:  That would be my guess :)
[05:23] <intelikey> brasko dmesg
[05:24] <brasko_> isn't that kernal startup? Does it have all the services too? like X?
[05:24] <Locke> crimsun: alright... that didn't work
[05:24] <evilghost> brasko_:  /var/log/Xorg.0.log is the Xorg startup log
[05:24] <ubuntu_> Failed to run /usr/bin/update-manager as user root:
[05:24] <ubuntu_>  No password was supplied and sudo needs
[05:24] <intelikey> no just kernel. brasko look in /var/log/
[05:24] <Delvien> evilghost crap... i need to put some Mp3s on my Philips Gogear
[05:25] <brasko_> right, X was started, but from where?
[05:25] <evilghost> brasko_:  THis looks very promising and you can adapt it to Gnome:  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=88393&highlight=set+wm
[05:25] <johndarkhorse> ubotu: tell ubuntu_ about root
[05:25] <timfrost> brasko_, evilghost, the startup is under /etc/X11/gdm, and logs in /var/log/Xorg.<display>.0
[05:25] <intelikey> brasko  gdm ?
[05:25] <johndarkhorse> ubuntu_: use YOUR password with sudo
[05:25] <crimsun> Locke: what did you try?
[05:25] <purpleheart_USMC> anyone know where to get cheap monitors?
[05:25] <evilghost> timfrost:  Thanks, was never sure.
[05:25] <Locke> crimsun: i typed plug:surround51 and applied it and nothing different happened
[05:26] <crimsun> Locke: what about your mixer elements?
[05:26] <brasko_> timfrost: Is there supposed to be a window manager line in gdm.conf?
[05:26] <ubuntu_> johndarkhorse , i download vmware version i don't know the password ..
[05:26] <Smirker_> nobody would happen to know of a mobile phone that I can plug into my computer and access it (multimedia messages) through an SDK?
[05:26] <ubuntu_> johndarkhorse , it's on official website
[05:27] <Locke> crimusn: CA0106 is my mixer card and my mixer device is Analog Center/LFE
[05:27] <intelikey> i don't use gdm so idk brasko
[05:27] <evilghost> brasko_: My gdm.conf is full of stuff; 21K.
[05:27] <paul_> anyone know how to get rid of this error? http://img496.imageshack.us/img496/498/error18uy.png
[05:27] <Jeff12088> GAIM rocks
[05:28] <brasko_> I prefer pork
[05:28] <evilghost> Locke:  Your card doesn't support hardware mixing as FYI.
[05:28] <intelikey> but the ~/.wmrc file generally is read in on login
[05:28] <brasko_> It's an ncurses client, that you can use over ssh, and acts like irc
[05:28] <timfrost> brasko_, xorg is starrted by /etc/init.d/xorg-common, and uses scripts under /etx/X11/gdm/ (or /etc/gdm), and one of those starts the window manager
[05:28] <Locke> evilghost: i have no idea what that means
[05:29] <Jeff12088> be right back
[05:29] <evilghost> Locke:  It means while you may think you have a good card (ala Win32 DirectPlay), you are only capable at one sound at a time, and software is forced to mix it.  You're having sound issues right?
[05:29] <evilghost> Locke:  Example, if ESD is running game-sounds wont' run without DMIX or another software mixing alternative.
[05:29] <Locke> evilghost: all i'm trying to do is get surround sound to work with this card
[05:30] <evilghost> Locke:  5.1 or 7.1?
[05:30] <evilghost> Locke:  Bet it's a Sound Blaster 24Bit, right?
[05:30] <Locke> evilghost: 5.1
[05:30] <Locke> evilghost: ...
[05:30] <Locke> possibly...
[05:30] <evilghost> Locke:  It's garbage, there's not enough ammunition to destroy it.... :)
[05:30] <evilghost> Locke:  Where are you located?
[05:30] <crimsun> Locke: paste your amixer output onto pastebin
[05:30] <Locke> evilghost: what do you mean where am i located?
[05:31] <evilghost> Locke:  You want an EMU10k1 card (chipset) that supports 32ch hardware mixing.
[05:31] <Locke> crimsun: amixer output?
[05:31] <crimsun> ``amixer''
[05:31] <crimsun> pastebin the outut
[05:32] <intelikey> p
[05:32] <brasko_> crap, so should I just modify one of the startup files?
[05:32] <evilghost> Locke:  I've got an EMU10K1 Sound Blaster 5.1 that's yours; supports 32CH hardware mixing, if you want it.
[05:32] <Locke> crimsun: where is amixer?
[05:32] <brasko_> or is there a clean way to do this?
[05:32] <evilghost> Locke:  If you're US, I'll give/ship for free, if outside US, no go.
[05:32] <brasko_> I mean, should I remove the .xinitrc?
[05:32] <brasko_> or move it at least
[05:32] <Locke> evilghost: thats alright, i'm in US, but i have plenty of cards i could probably get from other people
[05:32] <evilghost> Locke:  The emu10k1 is the answer.
[05:32] <intelikey> it's safe to move it and test yes
[05:33] <evilghost> Locke:  Make sure you get that card/chipset, I've got an EMU10k1-NEF, the emu10k1-sef are fine too.
[05:33] <Locke> !pastebin
[05:33] <ubotu> somebody said pastebin was a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[05:33] <evilghost> Locke:  The answer is emu10k1, none of the new Sound Blaster cards are going to support hardware mixing, it's cost-cutting BS as a result of "DirectPlay" and other Direct3D nonsense (sacrifice CPU cycles for software mixing versus providing robust hardware (legacy) to do hardware)
[05:34] <crimsun> Locke: just open a Terminal and type amixer
[05:34] <Locke> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6436
[05:35] <paum> How can I get WinAmp type files to play on Ubuntu Linux? Rythmbox seems lame; it doesn't recognize anything.
[05:35] <Shadyman> !mp3
[05:35] <ubotu> methinks mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:35] <Shadyman> paum: Go there.
[05:36] <paum> I will go there. Thanks.
[05:36] <bob_> I mean, this is unbelievable. Does everyone's window manager just work by default? haha
[05:36] <Shadyman> bob_: Explain?
[05:36] <Locke> bob_: yes, what do you mean?
[05:36] <crimsun> Locke: use speaker-test
[05:36] <bob_> I just installed ubuntu today. It comes with gnome and X, which start nice. However, metacity is not running. I have to start it manutally.
[05:37] <paul_> anyone know how to get rid of this error? http://img496.imageshack.us/img496/498/error18uy.png
[05:37] <bob_> This could be an artifact of me having debian installed before, and either my .xinit or other files are screwing this up, or I have some env vars set?
[05:37] <Locke> crimsun: all it's doing is saying 0 - Front Left and playing out my 2 front speakers
[05:38] <evilghost> paul_:  Umm, are you serious?  So...you've got an EXE running on startup, possibly without WINE?
[05:38] <evilghost> paul_:  Linux != Win32.
[05:38] <Locke> crimsun: i just realized something
[05:38] <bob_> I have DESKTOP_SESSION=gnome, GDMSESSION=gnome, GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID=Default set
[05:39] <bob_> so the wierd thing is, I can't even find where metacity should start up.
[05:39] <crimsun> Locke: you have to tell speaker-test to test 6 channels
[05:39] <Locke> crimsun: i looked at this and it says it has only 1 channel, so i checked what card i have and it says i have an Audigy... when i know i have a 7.1 card :-\
[05:39] <Locke> crimsun: how?
[05:39] <crimsun> Locke: read the documentation
[05:39] <bshumate> bob_ / brasko_: there is no directive for specifying a WM in gdm.conf... however, "gnome-session" does appear in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/55gnome-session_gnomerc which in turn is called by /etc/X11/Xsession when starting X (by default / with gnome, etc. etc. anyway) so you may wanna investigate your config in that respect... metacity gets fired up by gnome-session
[05:40] <bob_> oops, sorry
[05:40] <evilghost> Locke:  You have a CA chipset, you're not going to be able to do hardware mixing nor 7.1/5.1 until you use the correct (compiled) module (try lsmod, and see if you have CAXXXX listed as a module), and even so, you're using a crippled soundcard.  You would be best to use a emu10k1 card.
[05:40] <evilghost> Locke:  And you won't be using hardware mixing even with the CAXXXX module...
[05:41] <evilghost> brasko_:  You're an odd-ball out, tell me how you installed 5.10.  I think you're anything but "standard" at this point :)
[05:41] <evilghost> brasko_:  Did you leave your existing filesystem intact?
[05:41] <brasko_> hahaha, no kidding. I redid the / and left the /home the way it was.
[05:42] <Locke> crimsun/evilghost: i'm just going to give up and go with my first assumption when i got these speakers, get a brand new sound card ANYWAYS
[05:42] <brasko_> bshumate: that's interesting help, and semi confusing to me. since I'm not a desktop expert
[05:42] <bshumate> brasko_: if that is the case, then perhaps you should not have an ~/.xinitrc as Ubuntu does not create one by default, and that could be screwing you up...
[05:42] <crimsun> Locke: you're using snd-ca0106, I presume
[05:42] <crimsun> Locke: lsmod|grep ^snd_ca0106
[05:42] <brasko_> I moved it to .xinitrc.bak
[05:42] <evilghost> Locke:  Regardless, ensure it's an emu10k1, I'm trying to share 1 month worth of researching/experience.
[05:43] <evilghost> Locke:  http://klumpp.net/blog/archives/22-Linux-Soundcards-CA0106-sucks,-EMU10k1k2-is-the-way-to-go..html
[05:43] <brasko_> This is interseting, # If we are running the GNOME session, source ~/.gnomerc
[05:43] <brasko_> Does anyone have anything in that file?
[05:43] <evilghost> brasko_:  Here's some food for thought, perhaps try adding a new user, wouldn't permissions be screwed up if you left the filesystem intact with a different UID/GID on the /home folders?
[05:43] <Locke> crimsun/evilghost: i'm just going to give up and go with my first assumption when i got these speakers, get a brand new sound card ANYWAYS
[05:44] <Locke> wtf!?!?
[05:44] <brasko_> That's a good point.
[05:44] <Locke> sry, accident
[05:44] <evilghost> Locke:  Np
[05:44] <Locke> crimsun: what was that command supposed to do?
[05:44] <brasko_>  Is the .xsession the correct file maybe?
[05:44] <fenris> hi
[05:44] <evilghost> fenris:  A/S?L?
[05:44] <Locke> crimsun: all it did was just say snd_ca0106             27172  2
[05:44] <crimsun> Locke: correct.
[05:44] <brasko_> Wow, that script definatly looks for .xinitrc
[05:44] <evilghost> Locke:  Please see http://klumpp.net/blog/archives/22-Linux-Soundcards-CA0106-sucks,-EMU10k1k2-is-the-way-to-go..html and then get an emu10k1 card, you're just wasting your own time.
[05:45] <johndarkhorse> evilghost: a/s/l goes in #ubuntu-offtopic please
[05:45] <fenris> evilghost: ??
[05:45] <evilghost> johndarkhorse:  Was a joke, poorly executed.
[05:45] <Locke> evilghost: ok, i make 8 dollars an hour and go to college along with living on my own, i really don't have money to eat let alone buy sound cards
[05:45] <intelikey> brasko may i sujest that you sudo adduser  blah    and login as  blah    then compare the home dirs of  blah and you
[05:45] <brasko_> OK
[05:45] <brasko_> I'll do it
[05:45] <brasko_> :q
[05:46] <Shadyman> !enter
[05:46] <evilghost> Locke:  I've offered to send you a card for free, I purchased 10 on ebay for $50, and have already made my $50 back and have a surplus of 5 cards.
[05:46] <ubotu> please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and is annoying. Write in complete sentences and keep your replies and questions on one line if possible. Thanks!
[05:46] <intelikey> Shadyman you've been just waiting to do that i supose
[05:46] <Shadyman> intelikey: You are correct.
[05:47] <Locke> evilghost: no offense to you or the type of person you are, but i don't give my address out to people online too often
[05:47] <Locke> crimsun: ok... if it's correct... then what does that mean?
[05:47] <evilghost> Locke:  No problem and understood, so get an emu10k1 card or a card that has decent linux support and resolve your troubles.
[05:48] <Locke> evilghost: i will when i come across a bit of money, but i live in a town with 4 people a horse and a college, the nearest bestbuy is 2 towns away
[05:48] <evilghost> Locke:  BTW, you should look at my forum post history on http://www.ubuntuforums.org and the 5 cards I've sent to members.  I'm the guy with the NRA logo.
[05:48] <brasko_> yup, you guys are smart :)
[05:48] <brasko_> That definatly fixes the problem
[05:48] <Goldfisch> I haven't utilized the S/PDIF port on my mother yet. It is any good to pipe sound to my surround sound system for recorded shows?
[05:48] <evilghost> Locke:  Until then forget 5.1 sound and even basic soundcard functionality.
[05:48] <Goldfisch> motherboard
[05:48] <brasko_> How do I remove the user I just created?
[05:49] <Locke> evilghost: it works fine on Windows, just not on Linux for some reason
[05:49] <intelikey> sudo deluser
[05:49] <evilghost> brasko_:  Sweetness, it's permissions on the ext2/3 filesystem eh?
[05:49] <intelikey> or is it userdel ?
[05:49] <Locke> evilghost: and Windows can burn before i move back just to have 3 extra speakers to use
[05:49] <evilghost> Locke:  You think it could be this magic DirectSound/Direct3d I've been posting about 5 posts ago?
[05:49] <bshumate> intelikey: it's both actually ;-)
[05:49] <brasko_> I have no idea how to determine what is screwing it up
[05:49] <crimsun> Locke: it was a sanity check
[05:49] <brasko_> I'd kind of like to just keep a new user, and copy the stuff I need
[05:49] <Locke> crimsun: o...k..?
[05:49] <crimsun> Locke: any results from speaker-test with 6 channels?
[05:49] <brasko_> have a fresh start
[05:49] <Locke> crimsun: yes, only the 2 front speakers worked
[05:49] <intelikey> one of them works and the other only removes the entry in /etc/passwd i think
[05:50] <brasko_> can I do 'mv /home/bob /home/bob.bak
[05:50] <evilghost> brasko_:  Good luck with your "standard" install :p
[05:50] <brasko_> and then add "bob" as a new user?
[05:50] <crimsun> Locke: what parameters did you pass to speaker-test?
[05:50] <brasko_> hahaha, no kidding, I figured this was my fault, ubuntu seems awesome!
[05:50] <evilghost> brakso_:  Yeah, I think so as long as bob doesn't exist in /etc/passwd
[05:50] <intelikey> brasko if bob is not logged in
[05:50] <brasko_> and the help is unbelievable!
[05:51] <Locke> crimsun: speaker-test -c 6
[05:51] <brasko_> Yeah, bob is already in /etc/passwd
[05:51] <brasko_> so if I move /home/bob to /home/bob.bak
[05:51] <brasko_> then delete bob
[05:51] <brasko_> then add bob
[05:51] <brasko_> would that be nice?
[05:52] <bshumate> brasko_ : for your user account, simply do not have an .xinitrc, and .xsession, or Xsession file in your home directory, and that is about all that can override the X settings... do you have an .xsession or Xsession in your current home directory?
[05:52] <evilghost> Locke:  As FYI, the module you have loaded for CA0106 doesn't support 5.1/7.1
[05:52] <intelikey> brasko_  you will want to mv /home/bob /home/bob.back ;mkdir /home/bob    it's easier
[05:52] <crimsun> Locke: you totally ignored the part where I asked you to read the man page, didn't you?
[05:52] <brasko_> OK
[05:52] <evilghost> crimsum:  It doesn't matter, that card will not/does not support 5.1/7.1 nor hardware mixing through Linux, it's a Win32 "only" card with very limited support in Linux.
[05:52] <brasko_> haha, I don't have a hang of this sudo thing.
[05:52] <crimsun> Locke: there's an example explicitly in the man page for testing 5.1
[05:53] <brasko_> I do 'sudo mv bob bob.bak', it completes with no password prompt, and the folder didn't move
[05:53] <evilghost> brasko_: You could always "sudo passwd root" and set a root passwd, then "su"
[05:53] <fenris> hm, i tried to build the lirc modules from the lirc-modules-source package, but without compiling my own kernel... everything worked fine, but the resulting .deb contains *.o instead of *.ko files, and if i try to insmod them it complains about "invalid module format"
[05:53] <fenris> any ideas?
[05:54] <crimsun> evilghost: it does support 4.0 and 5.1
[05:54] <intelikey> brasko_ bob is where ?     (PATH)
[05:54] <brasko_> haha, sorry.
[05:54] <brasko_> bob is in /home/bob
[05:54] <evilghost> crimsun:  Good luck....
[05:54] <crimsun> evilghost: mm?
[05:54] <brasko_> I never have problems with simple sysadmin like this
[05:55] <brasko_> not used to sudo or something
[05:55] <intelikey>  brasko_  and just use deluser and adduser you wont have permission errors
[05:55] <brasko_> yeah, I need to move /home/bob first, but I can't
[05:55] <evilghost> chown it.
[05:55] <brasko_> I don't want to loose the files there.
[05:55] <evilghost> brasko_:  sudo chown -R root:root /home/bob
[05:56] <brasko_> why would I need to do that?
[05:56] <brasko_> Why can't I just 'sudo mv bob bob.bak'?
[05:56] <evilghost> brasko_:  because root doesn't have permissions?   If I do 'sudo yyy', it doesn't work
[05:57] <evilghost> intelikey:  Octal 000 means root has access?
[05:58] <brasko_> like, 'sudo ls'
[05:58] <intelikey> ye[
[05:58] <brasko_> shouldn't that work? 'sudo ls'?
[05:58] <djm62> brasko_: if you add another user, that user isn't on the sudoers list
[05:58] <evilghost> intelikey:  To chmod/chgrp, but not rwxd.
[05:58] <brasko_> O, I see
[05:58] <djm62> brasko_: /etc/sudoers
[05:58] <brasko_> nice!
[05:58] <intelikey> evilghost do a chmod 0000 text.file   then read/write to it as root you will see
[05:59] <bshumate> danger Will Robinson....danger!!!.... :-/
[05:59] <djm62> brasko_: (reasonably sensible default, just happens to trip you up ;) )
[05:59] <evilghost> intelikey:  You're correct, thanks.
[05:59] <brasko_> OK, thanks! directly removed
[06:00] <evilghost> intelikey:  Sorry for seeding mis-information.
[06:00] <intelikey> np
[06:00] <brasko_> moved rahter
[06:01] <brasko_> I can't modify /etc/sudoers
[06:01] <brasko_> Anyways, Happy New Year!
[06:02] <mebsd> happy new year!
[06:02] <P8ntKid> Happy new year!
[06:02] <evilghost> not yet
[06:02] <evilghost> but thanks
[06:02] <brasko_> not on the east coast, eh?
[06:03] <sda3mon> hey when i try to run a root-requiring app in gnome and it brings up that little password prompt, it tells me the password is wrong...but i put the right password, not an idiot ya know...i can 'su' into root from a console too
[06:03] <mebsd> happy new year on east coast
[06:03] <intelikey> so with no root password, and wanting to do delicate administration like this one could in a console 'sudo openvt -f bash '   and exit exit   switch to the open root console do the work and switch back for testing before exiting the root console ......
[06:03] <brasko_> well, I need to add foo to the sudoers list. otherwise, when I delete bob, I won't have a user to add another user
[06:04] <bshumate> brasko_: sudo visudo
[06:04] <evilghost> goldfish: i shot explosives
[06:04] <vbgunz> Happy New Years!
[06:04] <intelikey>  brasko_  just add foo the the admin group it's already in sudoers
[06:04] <brasko_> I don't mind using vim, just don't know the line to add
[06:05] <brasko_> %admin  ALL=(ALL) ALL
[06:05] <brasko_> that line? what should it be changed to?
[06:05] <intelikey> yeah get out of there.  and just add foo the the group 'admin'
[06:05] <brasko_> O, it says it must be edited with the visudo command, OK
[06:05] <bshumate> brasko_: go easy on yourself and do what intelikey said... just add foo to the admin group
[06:06] <intelikey> usermod
[06:06] <brasko_> very nice
[06:06] <n2zstik> how do i access a printer connected to a desktop winXP wirelessly from my ubuntu laptop??helppp
[06:06] <intelikey> man usermod
[06:06] <brasko_> I edited /etc/group, hope that was correct
[06:06] <brasko_> I can do sudo ls now as foo!
[06:07] <intelikey> then you are in
[06:07] <brasko_> so, as foo, I should do 'deluser bob'?
[06:07] <mase> how come sudo only works with your current user password but not root's password
[06:07] <intelikey> yeah
[06:07] <hodge> ...
[06:07] <brasko_> be back! hopefully :)
[06:07] <johndarkhorse> mase: because that's how sudo works
[06:07] <bshumate> mase: in a default Ubuntu install there is no root password
[06:07] <hodge> try
[06:07] <bshumate> !tell mase about RootSudo
[06:07] <intelikey> mase it should work ok with root password if you are root when you call sudo
[06:08] <hodge> root password is what u assigned it
[06:08] <intelikey> although calling sudo as root is kinda redundant
[06:08] <hodge> true
[06:08] <pashaw> intelikeyas right thats exactly why
[06:09] <Tharsis> Hi...and Happy New Year1
[06:09] <hodge> really
[06:09] <hodge> quite u
[06:09] <intelikey> exactly why what pashaw ?
[06:09] <Goldfisch> mase: The idea is through sudo granting users defined power without giving them the root password.
[06:09] <Tharsis> Q: How can I copy .jpg's from a CD over to Ubuntu folder/Desktop/ etc?  Thnaks!
[06:09] <pashaw> intelikey,   sudo is  completely seperate and redundant for
[06:10] <johndarkhorse> Tharsis: use nautilus
[06:10] <mase> i see
[06:10] <pashaw> intelikey,   uugg root    man too many drinks
[06:10] <Tharsis> Ahhh...thx!
[06:10] <hodge> geez just read the man page for sudo...
[06:10] <Goldfisch> People are mostly using sudo as an alternative to going into root shells all the time, because it leaves an audit trail in /var/log/auth.log
[06:11] <intelikey> Goldfisch if what you say is true, then using " %admin  ALL=(ALL) ALL"  in sudoers is crazy as hell
[06:11] <Goldfisch> However, the sample sudoer's files show how you can hand out very detailed role definitions giving different people different administrative power if you needed to.
[06:11] <hodge> go to the directory and copy it to your desktop :)
[06:11] <hodge> again use the man command
[06:11] <Tharsis> OK
[06:11] <Goldfisch> intelikey: It's less crazy-as-hell than just going to "su -" all the time. :)
[06:11] <bob_> well, it worked!
[06:12] <brasko_> you guys are literally unbelievable!
[06:12] <hodge> good to hear
[06:12] <Goldfisch> ubuntu has trained me to start using sudo on my other debian systems, and its nice having an audit trail to fix things I do wrong.
[06:12] <hodge> how so
[06:12] <pashaw> Right sudo is limited  superuser  assigned to users   by the root)admin)  without giving root/su access
[06:12] <Inf3ctedFx> Happy New Year!!!!!
[06:12] <hodge> true
[06:12] <intelikey> hehhe not imo Goldfisch  but that is off toppic
[06:12] <Inf3ctedFx> Happy Christmas and merry new year xDD
[06:12] <hodge> geez
[06:12] <Locke> crimsun: (sorry, was celebrating new year, took a while to respond) no, i read the manual
[06:13] <hodge> stop saying that
[06:13] <pashaw> Goldfisch,   cant agree more  its is good practice    typing sudo   becomes second nature after awhile
[06:13] <hodge> yes
[06:13] <Goldfisch> If you're the only user of your system, their isn't much benefit to having fancy roles. But if you are managing an enterprise, well then...
[06:13] <hodge> its a powerful command
[06:13] <Tharsis> G'nite...Happy New Year all....
[06:14] <Goldfisch> pashaw: However, I noticed my debian systems don't seem to be enforcing the timeout policy. Maybe...I'l just have to convert them to ubuntu. :)
[06:14] <brasko_> Whoa, I love the updates tab in the Gnome!
[06:14] <pashaw> Goldfisch,   lol
[06:14] <hodge> yeah its good
[06:14] <brasko_> I feel like I've been living in the dark ages with gnome
[06:14] <brasko_> oops, debian I meant to say
[06:14] <hodge> why?
[06:15] <djstillman> Anyone get a tvtuner working in breezy?
[06:15] <intelikey> i couldn't agree more that there is a perfect place for sudo on large (multi-user) systems Goldfisch, but the avrage ubuntu box's root password it the user password  which is no advantage at all.
[06:15] <hodge> what do you find wrong with debian?
[06:15] <Goldfisch> BTW: Does ubuntu 64 kick butt like regular ubuntu?
[06:15] <hodge> same
[06:15] <brasko_> well, the software is really old, even when running testing
[06:16] <brasko_> and, already the look/feel of the gnome desktop seems much much nicer
[06:16] <hodge> yes
[06:16] <hodge> i agree
[06:16] <brasko_> and the update dialog is nice
[06:16] <hodge> doesn't really make a difference
[06:16] <brasko_> I already couldn't be more happy I upgraded.
[06:16] <pashaw> brasko,   ill still use vanilla debian for my servers,  but Ubuntu has learned from Debian/Knoppix/Kanoix   mistakes and clever ideas
[06:16] <brasko_> debian stable?
[06:16] <Goldfisch> You can install GNOME on a debian system. I installed the gnome-desktop a week ago.
[06:16] <hodge> more then windows :)
[06:16] <pashaw> brasko,   testing  i have 1 stable server
[06:17] <brasko_> Yeah, I had gnome installed.
[06:17] <brasko_> Quick broad question, why does ubuntu exist?
[06:17] <brasko_> instead of just debian?
[06:17] <crimsun> brasko_: wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkShuttleworth
[06:18] <hodge> because users use it
[06:18] <crimsun> it's a FAQ, go read.
[06:18] <brasko_> OK
[06:18] <pashaw> because he wanted to create his own distro  and enjoys doing just that
[06:18] <intelikey> hodge presactly
[06:18] <brasko_> nice, firefox 1.0.7, I wasn't that far advanced with debian
[06:19] <hodge> ?
[06:19] <intelikey> slang    i agree
[06:19] <hodge> firefox 1.5 is very good
[06:19] <kbrooks> bed: bye
[06:19] <Inf3ctedFx> with some crahses but works fine
[06:19] <brasko_> yeah, I had 1.0.4 or something on my debian box
[06:20] <brasko_> how, should I still use apt? or is there a prefered GUI?
[06:20] <brasko_> I've always used apt in the past
[06:20] <hodge> really?
[06:20] <hodge> nothing wrong with that
[06:20] <intelikey> apt is fine      but gui symantic
[06:20] <brasko_> OK, I'll try it
[06:21] <intelikey> synaptic
[06:21] <intelikey> heheh
[06:21] <djstillman> Hey guys, does anyone have a tv tuner working in breezy?
[06:22] <brasko_> OK, so when I run synaptic, how do I do the update command?
[06:22] <pashaw> brasko,   refresh
[06:23] <FlannelKing> Is there no longer a "run" command in the gnome menu?
[06:23] <intelikey> hover mouse over buttons for explanations
[06:23] <brasko_> O, OK
[06:23] <intelikey> FlannelKing try alt+f2  ?
[06:24] <bshumate> FlannelKing: you can right-click the panel and then click Add to Panel, and add one to your panel...
[06:24] <brasko_> O, so all the debian packages aren't available in ubuntu?
[06:24] <FlannelKing> ah, there we go.
[06:24] <brasko_> I was looking to install CGDB.
[06:24] <intelikey> !repos
[06:24] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) see also !easysource
[06:24] <intelikey> brasko_ ^
[06:24] <brasko_> hahah, I'm going down the typical newbie path, eh?
[06:24] <intelikey> yep
[06:25] <brasko_> is it bad to use the sources from the debian distro? instead of the default?
[06:25] <intelikey> source code,,, no   binary packages YES
[06:26] <brasko_> wierd.
[06:26] <Goldfisch> debian is not ubuntu is not debian
[06:26] <bshumate> brasko_ Ubuntu and Debian are binary incompatible, and things can, and will break if you do so.
[06:26] <brasko_> Whoa.
[06:26] <brasko_> I see
[06:26] <pashaw> !debian
[06:26] <ubotu> Debian is "the rock upon which Ubuntu is founded"; see http://www.debian.org Thank You Ian and DEBra Murdock! 1994 Vers. 0.9.  Debian and Ubuntu http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship/
[06:26] <brasko_> OK, I won't install any then for now
[06:26] <brasko_> Until I learn more.
[06:26] <brasko_> I can't thank you guys enough!
[06:26] <intelikey> compiled with different glib's
[06:26] <brasko_> I'm taking off now, but thanks so much!
[06:27] <brasko_> I've got a working system.
[06:27] <brasko_> Definatly another ubuntu user.
[06:27] <brasko_> bye
[06:27] <intelikey> ^
[06:27] <coz> hello all
[06:27] <intelikey> ^
[06:28] <Friar> Happy New Year all.... What out of these 2 which do you prefer and why: Firefox/Epiphany?
[06:28] <intelikey> boy that is lazy, no?  using other peoples hello's and good bye's
[06:28] <coz> Thanks happy new year
[06:28] <coz> both
[06:28] <intelikey> hehhe knoqueror webbrowser  :)
[06:29] <coz> kde eeew
[06:29] <Friar> lol... i was expecting someone to say kynx
[06:29] <Friar> lynkx
[06:29] <pashaw> lynx
[06:29] <bshumate> links!
[06:29] <intelikey> na links   or elinks  maybe
[06:29] <Friar> which is kinda why i only named  2 :-)
[06:29] <bshumate> wget
[06:29] <sda3mon> how do i change the screen resolution under gnome?
[06:29] <intelikey> wget and mc
[06:29] <tonyyarusso> Would a ~/.Xmodmap not register for some reason if you got to your desktop with startx rather than /etc/init.d/gdm start?  My keycode settings aren't working at the moment.
[06:30] <coz> system preferences
[06:30] <sda3mon> coz: talkin to me?
[06:30] <Friar> System->Preferences->Screen Resolution
[06:30] <coz> yes
[06:30] <Davey`> anyone every got gnome-launch-box to work?
[06:30] <sda3mon> yea nvm, got it...thanks a bunch
[06:30] <Davey`> I just saw this on the forums, the menu combo doesn't exist, does anyone know what it should be?: To put the menu bar of the current application on the top of the screen, Go to System Settings -> Desktop -> General and set the preference there.
[06:31] <sda3mon> hmmm...why can't i change my refresh rate? it only has 60 as an option, i know this monitor supports 75
[06:31] <sda3mon> startin to hurt my eyes
[06:31] <coz> same prob here sda3mon
[06:31] <sda3mon> coz: well this sucks
[06:32] <coz> tell me I have 19 " lcd in 1024 x768
[06:32] <coz> there is a way but it is a p ain
[06:32] <intelikey> Davey` probably does in some desktop/wm
[06:32] <sda3mon> ha
[06:32] <Davey`> intelikey: hrm, maybe KDE
[06:32] <pashaw> coz,   your LCD refresh rate hurts your eyes?
[06:32] <intelikey> maybe
[06:32] <coz> no mine is set at hold on let me check
[06:33] <Friar> I have a problem... when I select text in most apps and then press backspace my keyboard dies.  The only keys that seem to work are alt-ctrl and backspace after that
[06:33] <coz> 75 hrz
[06:33] <tonyyarusso> Can I manually load my .Xmodmap?
[06:33] <sda3mon> ah you're lucky coz
[06:33] <sda3mon> 60 is painful
[06:33] <coz> yes it is 75 is lowest for eye confort
[06:33] <coz> comfort
[06:33] <pashaw> coz,   LCD dont refresh like CRT does
[06:34] <coz> check the forums for changing the xorg.conf file
[06:34] <sda3mon> well i got it at 75 in plain old debian but not in ubuntu :(
[06:34] <sda3mon> ok
[06:34] <intelikey> tonyyarusso there may be a way to add it as an arg to startx   idk
[06:34] <coz> i truly hate crt monitors
[06:34] <pashaw> coz,   i can get you a high resolution if thats what your after
[06:34] <tonyyarusso> intelikey, I'll see if the man mentions it.
[06:34] <coz> ok but right now I am on 15" screen
[06:34] <pashaw> coz,  i cant use them at all any CRT gives me headache after 5mins
[06:34] <coz> what is the resolution for resolution
[06:35] <coz> crt definately sucks
[06:35] <garry> Ive gotten high res by putting the refresh rates and available resolutions in the screen section in xorg.conf
[06:35] <coz> the best monitor I have seen is the sharp 36" lcd
[06:35] <intelikey> 36" ?
[06:35] <coz> unfortunately it costs about $1500 my nephew has one
[06:35] <garry> wow, that does sound likea nice one.
[06:36] <coz> it's beautiful
[06:36] <coz> talk about realestate
[06:36] <pashaw> coz,   follow this  and use your resolution inplace of my 1024x768   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6386
[06:36] <evilghost> coz:  With a 25ms LCD refresh, right?  Love the gaussian blur.
[06:36] <coz> no blur
[06:36] <evilghost> coz:  Create a modeline in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf using gtf; I had to do the same to run 1280x1024 @ 100Hz.
[06:36] <coz> check out the specs for the aquos monitor by shrap
[06:37] <coz> ok
[06:37] <coz> let me copy this stuff down
[06:37] <evilghost> coz:  Let me know if you have further questions, it's not too difficult.  There are some additional options you need to specify in your xorg.conf, let me dig them up.
[06:37] <Goldfisch> Okay, I just read Mark Shuttleworth's article on the wiki. Very interesting.
[06:38] <evilghost> coz:  Section Device; Option "NoDCC"
[06:38] <coz> thanks
[06:38] <evilghost> coz:  Np.
[06:38] <djstillman> Anyone have any experience setting up advanced options on a laserjet 5si?
[06:39] <coz> anyone here know how to get a layla24 audio card drivers installed?
[06:39] <coz> evilghost, I will give this a try want to put together high end 64 bit system will wait til then
[06:40] <hodge> u should look it up
[06:40] <McJerry> pashaw: i spent most of the evening getting freenx server going on Dapper via backport......having never messed with freenx, (I've always used vnc) is there a gui available for nxserver?
[06:41] <evilghost> coz:  Np, let me know.  Be sure the modeline you generate matches up in the Screens section.  I can send you my xorg.conf for reference if you want.
[06:41] <coz> that wold be great eveilghost
[06:41] <coz> evilghost
[06:42] <evilghost> Do you accept DCC?
[06:42] <coz> well I would but frankly I don't know what that is?!?!
[06:42] <evilghost> Dang, 1 second.
[06:42] <coz> sorry guy
[06:42] <evilghost> This server prevents prvmsg and dcc.
[06:42] <evilghost> Np dude.
[06:43] <coz> now my interest is looking at DCC
[06:43] <alvaro> hi, i installed limewire in my ubuntu breezy, but whenever i click on the limewire icon it won't start the program. any ideas?
[06:43] <coz> I will find out about it tonight
[06:43] <hodge> great got to change permissions...
[06:43] <Friar> !limewire
[06:43] <ubotu> well, limewire is first you need !java, then download the http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and unpack it. Then just run the runLime.sh file. Voila.
[06:44] <hodge> limewire is very good
[06:44] <hodge> 2nd fav p2p prog
[06:44] <alvaro> i already have java
[06:44] <hodge> just dl it
[06:44] <Friar> i had torouble getting it to work from the repositories
[06:44] <intelikey> so after ubuntu goes commercial what next ?
[06:45] <evilghost> coz:  http://www.stickit.nu/tmp/xorg.conf
[06:45] <Friar> downloading it from linmewires site might be better
[06:45] <crimsun> intelikey: what?
[06:45] <coz> great I will get it now
[06:45] <intelikey> :)
[06:45] <coz> got it thanks
[06:45] <garry> Goes commercial?
[06:45] <evilghost> coz:  NP
[06:45] <coz> intelikey has a point
[06:46] <coz> shuttleworth keeps pumping money into ubuntu he will eventually want a return
[06:46] <intelikey> well it's just that life has tought me that when people say "i will never" they always do.
[06:46] <coz> you got that right
[06:47] <Friar> enjoy what ya can while ya can
[06:47] <crimsun> Mark would not pull a "It's my distro" shebang.
[06:48] <crimsun> He knows well that's it not "his."
[06:48] <pashaw> explain how a distro based on gpl software can go commercial besides charging for support calls?
[06:48] <coz> red hat
[06:48] <intelikey> it doesn't have to be his to go .com
[06:48] <pashaw> red hat charges for support not software
[06:48] <garry> I see this on the default browser page when I bring up the browser in ubuntu. I thoguht maybe something had changed I quote "Ubuntu will always be free of charge, and there is no extra fee for the "enterprise edition", we make our very best work available to everyone on the same Free terms."
[06:48] <coz> you have to buy red hat
[06:48] <crimsun> intelikey: "go .com"?
[06:48] <intelikey> commericial
[06:48] <crimsun> intelikey: it already /is/ a .com. Canonical supports it.
[06:49] <crimsun> Our glibc/arch hacker is one of a few doing support.
[06:49] <intelikey> as in for sell.    as in like america
[06:49] <garry> I seem to recall thatthey would be looking for return on support end, but Yeah Intel,I woudl not be surprised if they did go commercial
[06:49] <coz> I hope they do actually
[06:49] <coz> there would be better third party apps aviable
[06:49] <crimsun> intelikey: for sale? Nothing's stopping anyone from doing that.
[06:50] <garry> Yeah, it might improve the product.
[06:50] <coz> it would definately improve the procust
[06:50] <coz> product
[06:50] <coz> damn fingers
[06:50] <garry> Yeah, If only putting my fingers up for sale would improve my typing skills.
[06:51] <intelikey> coz if M$ is a test case, we might debate the quality issue  :)
[06:51] <coz> yes I fuond that if go solwly ican raelly tpye wlel
[06:52] <coz> it's not ms that isa test case other than they have the best and the most apps avaiable because of third party support
[06:52] <coz> all os's have their place
[06:52] <coz> I am hoping thatubuntu eventually overtakes at least the residential community
[06:53] <garry> Seems Migrainesoft's main issue is all the bloat, and then having to charge a king's ransom for products to pay all the programmers for all the bloat.
[06:53] <coz> well I am more interested in the third party apps, photoshop, painter etc.... etc..
[06:53] <coz> these people write for only two os's right now because that is where the money is
[06:53] <pashaw> garry,   my issue is they charge full price  from release day to the day they discontinue it      i dont buy anything full price ever
[06:54] <evilghost> The root issue is the hand-holding gratitutious (sp?) dialog boxes, non-stop confirmation boxes, and root goal to empower the defficient with computers.  The same holds true to the abolition of drivers licenses; who in their right mind turns loose a motor vehicle to the untrained yet we do that every day.
[06:54] <coz> well I never pay full price for anything I use
[06:54] <evilghost> It's no wonder they end up on an IRC botnet DDoSing and spamming.
[06:54] <evilghost> That's the issue.  MS tends to empower the button-monkeys.
[06:55] <evilghost> And I won't even reference the quality of code.
[06:55] <coz> well eventuall, as linux gets more popular , there will more and more attackjs by viruses etc
[06:55] <garry> Yeah, I used to have Pinnacle studio, and after awhile they kept putting out upgrades every few months at near 100 bucks a pop, that adds up. got me ticked,  I finally stopped buying when the cycle dropped to 45 days.
[06:55] <coz> right now it is in a good position
[06:55] <garry> pashaw yep, I feel the same way.
[06:55] <evilghost> coz:  Not true, research hWND manipulation, messaging subsystem issues.  There is no IE, there is no obfuscated IE security model.
[06:55] <pashaw> guys #ubuntu-offtopic    would be a better place for this  :P
[06:55] <coz> you may be right
[06:56] <pashaw> intelikey,   really  how about airline radar?
[06:56] <coz> yes back to what is the topic
[06:56] <pashaw> lol   night all
[06:56] <coz> guys I really am not a linux lover other than ubuntu and I am still learning, most from you guys and I really appreciate it
[06:57] <intelikey> pashaw link please ?    or is that one of those hipocritical 'could happen' things ?
[06:57] <intelikey> hypothetical maybe
[06:57] <coz> so i have a few apps I want to try on ubuntu, however I am a doof when it comes to comiling something
[06:57] <coz> compiling
[06:57] <garry> rotton fingers
[06:57] <coz> exactly
[06:58] <garry> time to go to #ubuntu-rotton-fingers
[06:58] <coz> I think most of us would end up there
[06:58] <garry> I would be there.
[06:58] <coz> I am with you guy
[06:58] <intelikey> i don't make many typos,  i just can't spell noffin
[06:59] <coz>  so , I have decompressed the package, did a ./configure the a make
[06:59] <coz>  but I keep getting that there is no make file
[06:59] <intelikey> !b-e
[06:59] <ubotu> somebody said b-e was no make ?  you need build-essential or if you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to do a    sudo apt-get install build-essential.
[06:59] <hodge> yes
[06:59] <coz> I have all that is neccesary for the it to work
[06:59] <coz> that much I know
[07:00] <hodge> what are you talking about coz?
[07:00] <intelikey> you did install  build-essential???
[07:00] <hodge> I have no idea
[07:00] <coz> well there are two apps gruler and colorscheme
[07:00] <coz> simple apps but no .deb package
[07:00] <coz> so i have to compile them
[07:00] <coz> but it's a no go
[07:00] <garry> I got my fingers crushed in a slit about one eighth slot.  I use a typeing tutor app called GnomeOuch.
[07:00] <intelikey> coz i was talking to you
[07:01] <coz> yes that is installed intelikey
[07:01] <intelikey> k
[07:01] <intelikey> the ./configure must have failed
[07:01] <hodge> u sure?
[07:01] <coz> as a matter of fact, I was talking on ubuntuforums with someone about this and we checked for all esential s
[07:01] <coz> yeah maybe
[07:02] <garry> wwww.evilKeyboards.net
[07:02] <evilghost> Happy New Year btw, @ CST.
[07:02] <hodge> ?
[07:02] <coz> sorry psople Happy New Year to you all
[07:02] <evilghost> Yeah, removed the Win32 "Logo" key and the "File" key.
[07:03] <hodge> Hey thanks for your help
[07:03] <hodge> bye
[07:04] <coz> I was hoipng that wehn this new yaer began I wuold have my tyipng at an all tmie hgih!
[07:04] <intelikey> yeah i think i'll hit that key myself.       [root@~]  # mount -o remount,dreamonly /dev/brain /home/pillow   ;sleep -$random     gooday t'all
[07:04] <coz> so mcuh for taht
[07:04] <MasterWammy> lol
[07:04] <coz> Ok thanks guys have to go be back later I hope if not again Happy new year to you all
[07:05] <MasterWammy> coz:you the same coz i know?
[07:05] <coz> masterWammy wel I don't think so but I am the Real coz if that counts
[07:05] <coz> it is my real name
[07:05] <MasterWammy> lol
[07:05] <evilghost> coz:  Later bro.
[07:05] <MasterWammy> ok
[07:05] <garry> I once wrote my own typing tutor. the ones I used always bleeped at me. I began to jump like pavlov's dog being trained to jump at the bell. every error,and it was bleep bleep bleep.
[07:06] <coz> maybe one of those electric dog colors
[07:06] <coz> collars
[07:06] <Jeff12088> 2 more hours till 2006 =o
[07:06] <coz> it jsut gets wurs and wurse
[07:07] <steven_> happy new year to EST and CST :)
[07:08] <garry> Worst typeo I ever did was in a game, I was typing in a game guild channel and tried to say gwats like Elmer fudd, but I hit the T key instead of G key.
[07:08] <garry> was trying for grats.
[07:08] <eagleman> hi
[07:09] <eagleman> I have a problem: Almost every boot I have to remove my ICEauthority file to get back in  any advice here?
[07:09] <garry> that's puzzling about the compiling not being able to create an exe. Did that fellow ever find out why?
[07:10] <garry> I'm don't understand eagleman. is this like a config file that doesn't take effect unless you erase it?
[07:10] <garry> oh sorry I misread.
[07:11] <eagleman> garry: there seems to be some bug in Ubuntu that wants it to be erased b4 I can get back in the system
[07:12] <eagleman> I had this problem with Warty too but forgot how to fix it
[07:12] <garry> eagleman I was thinking that you could put in a line to delete it on shutdown in rc.6 or some other file, but that is probably a terrible idea. lemme google and see what I find or is this a known bug?
[07:13] <eagleman> the ICEauthrity file will not let me back in the system until I erase it and it is renewed by the OS, but that is annoying
[07:13] <mebsd> how to use xlock in fluxbox? i want it to start screensaver after 15 minutes
[07:13] <eagleman> mebsd: I dont use FB so I dont know
[07:14] <garry> Does it say somethng like it can't read it? I'm looking at a post by e fellow who says  he could not start gnome because it said it could not read the file.
[07:15] <eagleman> I found the answer in google already
[07:15] <eagleman> yes  that is the problem
[07:15] <eagleman> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-26005.html
[07:16] <eagleman> garry: thanks for trying to help  :) and happy New Year
[07:16] <garry> Here try this  "sudo chown sam /home/sam/.ICEauthority"
[07:16] <garry> replace sam with your user name of course.
[07:16] <thegladiator> how do i install a new mouse arrow  in gnome?
[07:16] <garry> eagleman thanks and ye too.
[07:16] <ubuntu_> can i request something to be compile and added to resp ?
[07:18] <ubuntu_> this game : http://lincity-ng.berlios.de/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[07:18] <ubuntu_> i request it to be added in resp ..
[07:18] <thegladiator> how do i install a new mouse arrow  in gnome?
[07:18] <tonyyarusso> ubuntu_: Maybe check http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate?
[07:19] <garry> I think I read somewhere about a faq about requests for repos additions.
[07:19] <mevvis> HAPPY NEW YEAR!
[07:19] <thegladiator> happy new year
[07:20] <zerokarmaleft> seems my root filesystem has errors and was remounted ro.  i can't issue any sudo commands since it tries to create a pid tempfile in /var.  what should i do?
[07:20] <tonyyarusso> ubuntu_: Can try to get it added to universe.
[07:21] <polpak> zerokarmaleft, reboot into single user mode
[07:21] <polpak> zerokarmaleft, that will give you a root shell w/o actually logging in
[07:21] <zerokarmaleft> polpak: i'm not physically in front of the terminal
[07:22] <polpak> zerokarmaleft, then afaik you are stuck
[07:22] <viscount> when I boot up, the framebuffer shows me a kubuntu logo as the system starts up, it used to just show a regular Ubuntu logo, how can I switch that back to the way it was?
[07:22] <zerokarmaleft> polpak: sweet. thx anyway
[07:23] <BlackJudas> sorush20, ubuntu for a media pc, good choice?  Are the fun "non-free" packages available for ubuntu (such as win32-codecs).
[07:23] <BlackJudas> err
[07:23] <BlackJudas> sorush20, didn't mean to type to you, sry.
[07:23] <polpak> BlackJudas, yes
[07:23] <tonyyarusso> ubuntu_, Specifically, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates.
[07:23] <polpak> !restricted
[07:23] <ubotu> I heard restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here have been replaced by !FreeFormats
[07:25] <Chameleon22> what settings (maybe wiki page url) do i need to twick to get the damn 5.1 sound working.  So far only 2.1 speakers out of 5.1 are working (although i know others work as well)
[07:26] <BlackJudas> polpak, nice.  I'm of the debian persuasion, so you'll have to bare with my "elitist" views ;).  I just gave up trying on gentoo :/
[07:26] <polpak> BlackJudas, I <3 ubuntu
[07:27] <garry> I had a gentoo nightmare myself. Got it all running, and then got to the point where I was to start downloading packages and got an emerge error code 2, end of story for me.
[07:27] <Eleaf> l.;'
[07:27] <Eleaf> l.;'
[07:27] <polpak> BlackJudas, I've tried many distros ubuntu does exactly what I want 7 times out of 10, and the other three only take a quick search on ubuntuforums or a question here to correct
[07:27] <thegladiator> BlackJudas, you didnt like gentoo coz tis difficult yes?
[07:27] <evilghost> Chameleon22:  lsmod, what sound card do you have.
[07:28] <polpak> thegladiator, I didn't like gentoo because I spent more time working on the OS and less time working on my actual projects
[07:28] <thegladiator> yeah i is diff to configure really
[07:28] <garry> I myself, blame me. My typing stinks, my vision is poor. I have little doubt that I did some mistake somewhere if not several. Lots of typing, lots of chances for errors.
[07:28] <Chameleon22> evilghost, i use SB
[07:28] <thegladiator> but a nice distro if you wanna learn linux as a OS
[07:29] <eric_> the mplayer plug-in is not working in firefox
[07:29] <Chameleon22> evilghost, dont see it in lsmod though
[07:29] <evilghost> Chameleon22:  Sound Blaster 24Bit?
[07:29] <polpak> thegladiator, if you really want to get to know the guts of linux, build yourself a linux from scratch. But as for introducing people gradually to linux.. Ubuntu is king
[07:29] <Chameleon22> evilghost, not sure, how do i check
[07:29] <evilghost> Chameleon22:  If so, you lose, http://klumpp.net/blog/archives/22-Linux-Soundcards-CA0106-sucks,-EMU10k1k2-is-the-way-to-go..html
[07:30] <FireRabbit> Chameleon22, lsmod|grep emu10
[07:30] <evilghost> He's a SndBlstr 24Bit, and doesn't have the CA0106 module compiled; you running Hoary right?
[07:30] <Chameleon22> evermuse, FireRabbit pasting into #flood
[07:30] <polpak> Chameleon22, to see what sound card you have you can do an lspci
[07:31] <polpak> Chameleon22, to see what drivers you are using use lsmod | grep snd
[07:31] <FireRabbit> evilghost, he said sound works out of two speakers
[07:31] <Chameleon22> 00:00:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 0a)
[07:31] <Chameleon22> 0000:00:0a.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! MIDI/Game Port (rev 0a)
[07:31] <Chameleon22> SB Live
[07:31] <FireRabbit> yeah, emu10k1
[07:31] <FireRabbit> so that is suppoted
[07:31] <FireRabbit> supported
[07:31] <evilghost> Yeah, SB Live 5.1, you're good with emu10k1
[07:32] <Chameleon22> so how do i enable the prick
[07:32] <FireRabbit> Chameleon22, tried going into the volume control and turning everything on?
[07:32] <crimsun> use the correct virtual device
[07:32] <Chameleon22> FireRabbit, yeah 1st thing i tried
[07:32] <crimsun> plug:surround51, for instance.
[07:32] <Chameleon22> crimsun, where do i set that? or how rather?
[07:33] <crimsun> it'd help if you answered my question regarding which app you're using
[07:34] <Chameleon22> xmms and xine
[07:34] <hydroksyde> how do canonical make money, anyway?
[07:34] <crimsun> so in xine, you'd have to select the surround device
[07:35] <crimsun> in xmms, you'd use plug:surround51 as your virtual device in the alsa plugins preferences in the audio i/o plugins
[07:35] <ubuntu_> is there updates CDs for download ?
[07:35] <Chameleon22> crimsun, i cant seem to find 51 setting in xine
[07:35] <Chameleon22> :/
[07:35] <FireRabbit> Chameleon22, gxine lets you select surround from the ui
[07:36] <zblach> good morning & year to all
[07:36] <evilghost> Chameleon22:  You tried alsamixer and perhaps setting wave wave/center/surround on?
[07:37] <mahangu> how can i see what codecs a .avi file uses?
[07:37] <Chameleon22> FireRabbit, i use kde, not gnome
[07:37] <FireRabbit> mahangu, the "file" command will often figure that out
[07:37] <Chameleon22> evilghost, alsamixer seems to have surronund sound on
[07:37] <evilghost> mahangu:  mplayer [filename]  from terminal should show you the video/audio codec as well as the framerate and resolution.
[07:37] <mahangu> thanks
[07:38] <mahangu> I have a Divx5 file with mp3 audio
[07:38] <mahangu> can i make a vcd outta this?
[07:38] <mahangu> FireRabbit, i used the file command
[07:38] <FireRabbit> cool
[07:38] <FireRabbit> or are you saying it didn't work?
[07:38] <mahangu> it works fine
[07:38] <mahangu> i want to give it to a friend of mine
[07:38] <mahangu> it's like 806 mb tho
[07:39] <hydroksyde> Is Canonical just Mark being generous, or does it have an actual source of profit???
[07:39] <FireRabbit> overnight transfer? :)
[07:40] <mahangu> hydroksyde, support services
[07:40] <hydroksyde> ah
[07:40] <mahangu> hydroksyde, most FOSS projects use that model
[07:40] <garry> Sorry, what is Canonical? Memory fails me, I remeber hearing about it.
[07:40] <FireRabbit> garry, canonical sponsors ubuntu
[07:40] <garry> FireRabbit Thanks kindly.
[07:41] <Chameleon22> crimsun, where do i select plug:surround51 in xmms?
[07:41] <FireRabbit> hydroksyde, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/supportoptions/support/supportoptions/paidsupport/
[07:41] <hydroksyde> ok
[07:41] <crimsun> Chameleon22: preferences> audio i/o plugins> alsa> device  (type it into the text entry field/drop-down menu)
[07:42] <mahangu> i need some help. i have a 807mb .avi (divx5 codec) file i want to split up in to two parts, and maybe make a vcd. any idea?
[07:42] <FireRabbit> one of you guys should create a SurroundSound page on the wiki and post this
[07:43] <crimsun> FireRabbit: feel free
[07:43] <FireRabbit> well, i don't actually have surround sound :) ..but i guess i could start it
[07:46] <Dr_Willis> I just make the rear speakers mirror the front
[07:46] <FireRabbit> Dr_Willis, how do you do that?
[07:46] <Dr_Willis> not sure what i even have under windows or linux thats real 'surround sound' other then games.
[07:46] <Dr_Willis> FireRabbit,  twiddled with the mixer controls
[07:46] <BlackJudas> Yeah gentoo .. wasn't too difficult... it was too broken.
[07:46] <Dr_Willis> I got an Audiugy sound card - theres like 90 of the dang sliders..
[07:46] <Dr_Willis> :P
[07:47] <FireRabbit> Dr_Willis, think you could add it to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Surround_Sound
[07:47] <FireRabbit> ?
[07:47] <BlackJudas> In the span of two weeks, over 4 upgrades, the system became unusable in many different ways.
[07:47] <Dr_Willis> FireRabbit,  i dont even rember what i did...
[07:47] <Dr_Willis> FireRabbit,  its not really surround sound at all. uits just mirroring the front to the rear.
[07:47] <FireRabbit> Dr_Willis, would still be useful
[07:47] <Dr_Willis> and all i did was slide the right sliders up "{
[07:47] <BlackJudas> I liked gentoo for its vast support of many different packages, but again, too broken, too fussy and very... broken :)
[07:47] <FireRabbit> crimsun, feel free to add to that page :)
[07:48] <Keegan_Witt> does anyone know y I cannot mount a flash drive on breezy?
[07:48] <crimsun> Keegan_Witt: that's way too vague
[07:49] <BlackJudas> While I install my fun.... does ubuntu force gnome on install?
[07:49] <crimsun> by default, yes.
[07:49] <Keegan_Witt> how can I be more specific? it just says specified UDI is not a mountable volume
[07:49] <Keegan_Witt> it works on windows
[07:49] <Chameleon22> crimsun, tried that - still only 2 speakers active
[07:49] <crimsun> Chameleon22: and amixer output?
[07:49] <crimsun> (pastebin)
[07:49] <Chameleon22> pastebin?
[07:49] <crimsun> Keegan_Witt: pastebin dmesg output
[07:49] <crimsun> !pastebin
[07:49] <ubotu> methinks pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[07:50] <timfrost> BlackJudas, Ubuntu=Gnome, Kubuntu=KDE
[07:50] <Chameleon22> crimsun, what am i greping?
[07:51] <crimsun> Chameleon22: nothing. I want the entire thing.#
[07:51] <Chameleon22> k hold on
[07:52] <titanium_platypu> hey
[07:52] <Chameleon22> crimsun, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6437
[07:52] <titanium_platypu> I have just switched to Ubuntu from Fedora.
[07:52] <titanium_platypu> I love it so far
[07:52] <titanium_platypu> but I have a few problems
[07:52] <Dr_Willis> I think we need a Fluxbox Ubuntu called 'Flubuntu' :P
[07:52] <titanium_platypu> three, to be exact
[07:52] <FireRabbit> Dr_Willis, :)
[07:52] <FireRabbit> titanium_platypu, alright, first?
[07:52] <Dr_Willis> I think we need a windowmaker Ubuntu called 'wubuntu' :P
[07:52] <titanium_platypu> #1) It never prompted me for a root password during the install, and won't let me become root using the superuser command! :(
[07:52] <crimsun> Dr_Willis: then make them.
[07:52] <titanium_platypu> what to do?
[07:53] <FireRabbit> titanium_platypu, use sudo
[07:53] <Dr_Willis> titanium_platypu,  thats how it works :P
[07:53] <crimsun> !tell titanium_platypu about sudo
[07:53] <Dr_Willis> faq #1
[07:53] <Dr_Willis> the first Faq #1 of the New year!
[07:53] <titanium_platypu> the bot said that, if I want, I can set a root password
[07:53] <Dr_Willis> titanium_platypu,  yes you can...
[07:53] <titanium_platypu> is there any reason not to do this, and if not, how do I?
[07:54] <molinero> Hello to all ubuntu user!
[07:54] <FireRabbit> titanium_platypu, theres no reason to set one
[07:54] <molinero> Happy New Year
[07:54] <mahangu> anybody here used mencoder before?
[07:54] <FireRabbit> titanium_platypu, you can always just use your user password
[07:54] <Dr_Willis> if you dont know how.. :P  well...  :P
[07:54] <titanium_platypu> yeah....but I would rather become root user at will.
[07:54] <FireRabbit> titanium_platypu, sudo -s
[07:54] <Dr_Willis> its a 'security' habbit - that is best to learn to do the 'proper' way
[07:54] <Keegan_Witt> here is link to message I get: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6438
[07:54] <Dr_Willis> Ubuntu devs are big on security.
[07:54] <crimsun> Chameleon22: um, that's dmesg. I asked you for amixer.
[07:54] <titanium_platypu> I'm not running a corporation eh
[07:55] <titanium_platypu> I don't need uber-security.
[07:55] <krac> anyone have a default php install handy
[07:55] <FireRabbit> titanium_platypu, *shrug*, theres really no reason to change it
[07:55] <Chameleon22> crimsun, bah i must have missread
[07:55] <Chameleon22> sorry hold on
[07:55] <titanium_platypu> oh, okay, so I just type "sudo -s" instead of "su"?
[07:55] <BlackJudas> timfrost, I see the wiki suggests I install with the server tag.  Good enough for me, I don't need a wm (or de) to use myth.  It's why I asked, evilwm works just fine.
[07:55] <krac> and can <?php phpinfo(); ?> and paste me the config options :p
[07:55] <Dr_Willis> there a large and legenthy forum discussion on the topic. :)
[07:55] <FireRabbit> titanium_platypu, yup
[07:55] <FireRabbit> titanium_platypu, and enter *your* password
[07:55] <Dr_Willis> there is no 'root' user password.. root cant directly login.
[07:56] <Dr_Willis> security in layers.
[07:56] <titanium_platypu> I don't see much of a difference, except for six extra keystrokes every time I do it, which multiplies out to quite a bit over a long period of time....
[07:56] <titanium_platypu> oh well.  I'll get used to it, I suppose.
[07:56] <titanium_platypu> thanks
[07:56] <crimsun> then use sudo -s
[07:56] <clintpatty> i have a sorta Ubuntu question
[07:56] <Wilf> my does adio and video on totem go out of sync sometimes?
[07:56] <titanium_platypu> #2) I get all sorts of blips and bleeps from Gnome (which are bloody annoying, but I know how to turn them off, so don't worry about it), so the sound card must be working, but I don't get audio from any of my applications
[07:56] <Chameleon22> crimsun, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6439
[07:57] <titanium_platypu> what's the deal?
[07:57] <Dr_Willis> FireRabbit,  its a bad habbit to have a root shell just laying about..
[07:57] <clintpatty> i downloaded the 5.10 Ubuntu live dvd
[07:57] <clintpatty> but i'm having issues with burning it
[07:57] <clintpatty> does anyone know how to enter the code for cdrecord-ProDVD
[07:57] <clintpatty> i have the code
[07:57] <FireRabbit> Dr_Willis, yeah, but its an even worse habbit to re-enable the root account, which is what a lot of people do who dont know about -s
[07:57] <crimsun> Chameleon22: adjust the 'Wave [..] ' ones
[07:58] <Dr_Willis> FireRabbit,  actually if ya knew some linux to a small degree ya could figure out how to enable the root account.. :P takes all of 5 sec to do.
[07:58] <SteveStevings> how do i install a .pcf font
[07:58] <SteveStevings> ive spent the last 20 mins looking on google
[07:58] <crimsun> Chameleon22: furthermore, unless you're actually using your optical out, mute 'IEC958 Optical Raw'
[07:58] <SteveStevings> trying to figure it out
[07:59] <crimsun> Chameleon22: and 'SB Live Analog/Digital Output Jack' may need to be unmuted
[07:59] <titanium_platypu> nobody knows what to do about my sound card? :(
[07:59] <crimsun> titanium_platypu: you're being deliberately vague
[07:59] <crimsun> titanium_platypu: e.g., what apps?
[07:59] <Chameleon22> crimsun, jack? wtf where on the hdw it self?
[07:59] <SteveStevings> how do i install a .pcf font
[08:00] <crimsun> Chameleon22: no, read your amixer output.
[08:00] <titanium_platypu> I've tried tons of games that I know have audio.  None of them would do anything.
[08:00] <titanium_platypu> the only sound I do get is that of Gnome.
[08:00] <SteveStevings> are you on a laptop?
[08:00] <Chameleon22> crimsun, kk reading hold up
[08:00] <crimsun> titanium_platypu: have you disabled System> Preferences> Sound> Enable sound server startup ?
[08:00] <Chameleon22> crimsun, by the way  thanks
[08:00] <SteveStevings> titanium_platypus: are you on a laptop
[08:00] <richard> Hi what app creates Mp3 files on gnome?
[08:00] <clintpatty> does anyone have info about how to burn the LiveDVD iso?
[08:00] <titanium_platypu> nope, it's turned on.  It's got the right sound card selected, too.
[08:01] <titanium_platypu> SteveStevings, no, I'm not.
[08:01] <clintpatty> richard grip is good
[08:01] <crimsun> titanium_platypu: turn it off
[08:01] <titanium_platypu> oh, really?
[08:01] <richard> clintpatty: when I install it will I need to download anything else like LAME?
[08:01] <clintpatty> yeah
[08:01] <crimsun> titanium_platypu: after you've played your game, turn it back on
[08:01] <clintpatty> you'll need lame
[08:01] <titanium_platypu> after I uncheck that is there anything I need to do to apply the settings?
[08:01] <FireRabbit> oh the wiki page mentions sudo -i, good enough
[08:01] <titanium_platypu> brb
[08:02] <richard> clintpatty: Ok I will give it a try. I have a new Stereo that plays MP3 files and I would love to have my audio books on one cd
[08:02] <Keegan_Witt> wat was the 2 file types I needed to get ndiswrapper to work? inf and what?
[08:02] <clintpatty> cool
[08:03] <clintpatty> can no one help me burn the Ubuntu iso?
[08:03] <SteveStevings> how do i install a .pcf font
[08:03] <crimsun> clintpatty: use gnomebaker or k3b, for instance
[08:03] <FireRabbit> grip is a little bit hard to use
[08:03] <FireRabbit> sound juicer is a bit more to the point
[08:03] <clintpatty> crimsun i don't have kde
[08:03] <Dr_Willis> clintpatty,  i just use nero under windows :P
[08:04] <clintpatty> and don't want to install it
[08:04] <clintpatty> Dr_Willis Gentoo is all i have installed
[08:04] <Inf3ctedFx> clintpatty: did u download the ubuntu iso already?
[08:04] <clintpatty> yeah
[08:04] <crimsun> clintpatty: that has nothing to do with gnomebaker or k3b.
[08:04] <clintpatty> crimsun: kde libs are required for k3b
[08:05] <FireRabbit> SteveStevings, put it in ~/.fonts ?
[08:05] <crimsun> clintpatty: kdelibs4c2 != KDE
[08:05] <tonyyarusso> clintpatty, What are you running right now?
[08:05] <clintpatty> tonyyarusso: Gentoo
[08:05] <FireRabbit> crimsun, on gentoo, it might be though
[08:05] <crimsun> I'm certain Gentoo has a variety of gui tools if that's what you prefer
[08:05] <timfrost> clintpatty, do you have cdrecord?
[08:06] <crimsun> otherwise you can use cdrecord or cdrdao
[08:06] <FireRabbit> its a big deal regardless .. to compile qt/kdelibs/etc
[08:06] <clintpatty> crimsun: also, i can't install gnomebaker because it conflicts with something, cdrecord, i think
[08:06] <Keegan_Witt> wat repo is kdevelop in?
[08:06] <clintpatty> timfrost: yes, i have cdrecord-ProDVD
[08:06] <tonyyarusso> clintpatty, Well that can be what you use then.
[08:06] <clintpatty> tonyyarusso: how do i enter the ProDVD code
[08:06] <crimsun> !info kdevelop3
[08:06] <ubotu> kdevelop3: (An IDE for Unix/X11 - development version), section universe/kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.2.3-0ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 1053 kB, Installed size: 3500 kB
[08:07] <clintpatty> I use X-Cdroast that has a place to enter the code
[08:07] <clintpatty> i don't know how to enter the ProDVD code in terminal
[08:07] <crimsun> so use xcdroast
[08:07] <clintpatty> can't
[08:07] <clintpatty> it doesn't work right for some reason
[08:07] <FireRabbit> clintpatty, http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-cdburn.html ?
[08:07] <Dr_Willis> i would guess theres some .file that it checkjs.
[08:07] <crimsun> cdrecord-prodvd is cli last I checked
[08:07] <clintpatty> Graveman, which uses growisofs and some other utils, is the only thing that's worked so far for DVDs
[08:08] <titanium_platypu> back
[08:08] <crimsun> so burn the iso using graveman if you're using Gentoo currently
[08:08] <FireRabbit> what the hec is prodvd
[08:08] <Chameleon22> crimsun, managed to get center speaker working 3/5 so far
[08:08] <crimsun> FireRabbit: Jorge's extensions to cdrecord to support dvd
[08:09] <FireRabbit> why does it need a key?
[08:09] <Chameleon22> crimsun, now 2 rear once and i am sweet
[08:09] <crimsun> FireRabbit: because it's decidedly non-DFSG-free?
[08:09] <clintpatty> crimsun, don't know how to burn the iso with Graveman; it was just burn the .iso as a file to the dvd
[08:09] <FireRabbit> huh
[08:10] <crimsun> http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines
[08:10] <clintpatty> FireRabbit, that link was nice and all, but I know how to burn CD isos; I need to burn the LiveDVD iso
[08:10] <FireRabbit> ohh
[08:10] <FireRabbit> well, boot off of the livecd and burn the livedvd from there ;)
[08:10] <crimsun> clintpatty: the same way you'd burn any other iso using gnomebaker, k3b, graveman, $utilityOfChoice
[08:10] <FireRabbit> i've burned dvds from here without any keys or anything
[08:10] <SteveStevings> XD i love irc.. the grammar and spelling  is so nice
[08:11] <clintpatty> crimsun, i've only used cdrecord from terminal for isos before
[08:11] <clintpatty> and i don't know how to use cdrecord-ProDVD
[08:11] <Inf3ctedFx> I use Gnome Baker
[08:11] <crimsun> clintpatty: you've never used growisofs directly or graveman to burn dvd isos?
[08:12] <clintpatty> only graveman
[08:12] <clintpatty> not growisofs directly
[08:12] <crimsun> clintpatty: then just use growisofs
[08:12] <crimsun> err
[08:12] <FireRabbit> certainly cdrecord-prodvd isnt what most people use to burn dvds
[08:12] <crimsun> graveman^
[08:12] <clintpatty> crimsun, graveman burns it as a file
[08:13] <clintpatty> not puts it on the disk like an iso
[08:13] <clintpatty> like, it doesn't burn the image or w/e
[08:13] <clintpatty> i just have a ubuntu .iso file on the disk
[08:13] <crimsun> then you'll just use growisofs
[08:13] <crimsun> use growisofs --help if you need assistance
[08:13] <clintpatty> crimsun, have you used it before to burn DVD iso?
[08:14] <wil_> hi
[08:14] <tonyyarusso> Hi wil_.
[08:14] <crimsun> clintpatty: no, I don't have a cd-rom or a dvd-rom
[08:14] <clintpatty> o
[08:14] <clintpatty> hardcore
[08:15] <wil_> happy new year!
[08:15] <FireRabbit> clintpatty, the version of gnome you are using doesnt have burning support?
[08:15] <wil_> it's just new year here in canada
[08:15] <FireRabbit> 11:15 here
[08:15] <clintpatty> FireRabbit, I don't have gnomebaker or gnometoaster, if that's what you mean
[08:16] <Viper12> eddy murphy voice:  MERRY NEW YEAR!!!!!!! - from Denver. :)
[08:16] <FireRabbit> clintpatty, that's not what i mean... most people in here can right-click on an ISO file and click "Write to disk"
[08:16] <wil_> Firerabbit: where are you?
[08:16] <FireRabbit> wil_, Seattle, WA
[08:16] <wil_> I'm in edmonton
[08:16] <wil_> , alberta
[08:16] <FireRabbit> ah
[08:17] <wil_> standard mountain time
[08:17] <tonyyarusso> wil_, I go to school in Ontario.
[08:18] <wil_> tonyyaruso: happy new year
[08:18] <clintpatty> FireRabbit: no, then
[08:18] <FireRabbit> clintpatty, well check you nautilus use flags or something... this is really all a topic for a gentoo irc channel you know
[08:18] <FireRabbit> your*
[08:19] <clintpatty> FireRabbit: nvm
[08:19] <wil_> what happened to the multiverse repositories.  I'm following the "Other non-Free Formats" in the unofficial Guide.
[08:19] <FireRabbit> wil_, didnt go anywhere
[08:19] <clintpatty> crimsun: I suppose the answer of use the terminal program that graveman works with should have been more obvious to me
[08:19] <clintpatty> crimsun: thanks, growisofs is burning it right now
[08:19] <Inf3ctedFx> does anyone here uise the VMware?
[08:19] <FireRabbit> Inf3ctedFx, yeah
[08:19] <wil_> It says to enable the multiverse but I don't see it hashed in sources.list or in synaptic
[08:20] <titanium_platypu> well, that didn't fix it.
[08:20] <titanium_platypu> I'll worry about it later.
[08:20] <clintpatty> incase anyone asks in future
[08:20] <titanium_platypu> I made a mistake, by the way....I have four problems, not three.
[08:20] <titanium_platypu> Of course, now it's down to 3, really, since one was solved.
[08:20] <titanium_platypu> ANYHOW,
[08:20] <clintpatty> to burn the Ubuntu LiveDVD
[08:20] <Inf3ctedFx> FireRabbit: I get stock in one part of the prosses
[08:20] <titanium_platypu> I have two more.
[08:20] <FireRabbit> wil_, http://eric.extremeboredom.net/2005/12/29/243/
[08:21] <titanium_platypu> #3) I tried to download and install RealPlayer with the graphical application adder.  It came up with an installer asking me "where was it downloaded to?" and I couldn't find it when I searched for it
[08:21] <clintpatty> growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd='filename'.iso
[08:21] <Inf3ctedFx> I need the qemu-img.exe in order to continue but I have no website to download it
[08:21] <titanium_platypu> what do I do there?
[08:21] <wil_> Frierabbit: thanks
[08:21] <FireRabbit> titanium_platypu, enable multiverse
[08:21] <FireRabbit> then sudo apt-get install realplayer
[08:21] <titanium_platypu> I did
[08:21] <titanium_platypu> it was after that
[08:21] <titanium_platypu> I've actually already downloaded it, and installed it.
[08:21] <timfrost> Inf3ctedFx, yes, I use VMWare.  Why?
[08:22] <titanium_platypu> but when I try to run it is when that happens
[08:22] <titanium_platypu> it comes up with a RealPlayer installation program
[08:22] <FireRabbit> titanium_platypu, you downloaded it using APT?
[08:22] <titanium_platypu> which asks me where the file was downloaded to.
[08:22] <Inf3ctedFx> timfrost:  because I'm following a howto here but I can't find the qemu-img.exe
[08:22] <titanium_platypu> I downloaded it using the graphical installer....does that not work?
[08:22] <Inf3ctedFx> timfrost:  the Windows version of QEMU.
[08:22] <FireRabbit> titanium_platypu, try 'sudo apt-get install realplayer'
[08:22] <titanium_platypu> okay.
[08:22] <timfrost> Inf3ctedFx, that is NOT a part of VMWare
[08:23] <FireRabbit> Inf3ctedFx, i have used vmware, not qemu ;)
[08:23] <Inf3ctedFx> titanium_platypu: let me show a a good howto it will help u to install realpayer and also run it on firefox
[08:23] <timfrost> !qemu
[08:23] <ubotu> I heard qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo or http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=200357&postcount=1
[08:23] <FireRabbit> any howtos that tell you to do anything other than install the package are wrong
[08:23] <Inf3ctedFx> titanium_platypu:  --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats    go tehre
[08:24] <Inf3ctedFx> timfrost:  I know but as I said i'm following the howto and it said I have to get that to run windows
[08:24] <titanium_platypu> it still did the same thing
[08:24] <rony> so how do I get /dev/dsp to appear again?  It seems to have gone
[08:24] <titanium_platypu> only text-based instead of graphical this time.
[08:24] <FireRabbit> ah, so thats a good example of a bad howto
[08:24] <Inf3ctedFx> look timfrost --> Then download and install the Windows version of QEMU
[08:24] <FireRabbit> titanium_platypu, oh.. maybe thats right, the realplayer package has an installer
[08:24] <FireRabbit> because of licencing
[08:25] <garry> I'm a bit stuck, I cant find what I need. I need to mount as read only, hard drives with my regular user account, but the devices are set so that only root may do anything with them. Others are forbidden. How do I fix this?
[08:25] <FireRabbit> can you pastebin what it says?
[08:25] <timfrost> Inf3ctedFx, what howto?
[08:25] <Inf3ctedFx> timfrost:  here --> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=84275&highlight=hoary+breezy
[08:25] <garry> I can mount, but must use sudo to mount and unmount, but to explore from gnome is forbidden me.
[08:25] <FireRabbit> garry, add "user" to the options in fstab for that device
[08:26] <FireRabbit> man fstab and search for user
[08:26] <garry> The user option is already in fstab.
[08:26] <FireRabbit> garry, but your user cannot mount it?
[08:26] <Inf3ctedFx> garry show me ur fstab
[08:26] <titanium_platypu> right, but how do I deal with the installer? :-\
[08:26] <garry> I can mount them, but I cannot explore them.
[08:27] <Inf3ctedFx> look garry  this is my fstab for windows partiton and I can read it from gnome -->  /dev/hda1       /media/master   ntfs     umask=0722      0       0
[08:27] <FireRabbit> titanium_platypu, post a screenshot ? i am not sure exactly what you are looking at