[04:28] <KilosKid> Anyone in here?
[06:10] <Kilos> hi superfly and others
[06:11] <superfly> morning Kilos
[06:11] <Kilos> all good there at home superfly ?
[06:11] <superfly> Kilos: mostly
[06:12] <Kilos> aw mostly?
[06:12] <Kilos> supposed to be all good
[06:12] <superfly> Just the usual family growing pains... working out how to deal with things
[06:12] <Kilos> ai
[06:13] <Kilos> and life is so much faster than it used to be
[06:14] <Kilos> and you guys dont get enough sleep
[06:14] <Kilos> worse with small kids as well. they sleep when it suits them and expect the same from you
[06:14] <Kilos> sleep when it suits them that is
[06:15] <Kilos> but keep good records and one day you can look back and have a good laugh
[06:16] <Kilos> or beat them up when they grown
[06:16] <Kilos> hehe
[06:16]  * Kilos keeps quiet now or the pro will say i talk to much
[06:17]  * superfly went to bed after 1am last night
[06:17] <Kilos> eish
[06:18] <superfly> As I said to mrs_fly last night though, if I must go to bed at 1am so that my children can spend the evening with their father, then I will. It is better for me to be tired than for them to grow up without a father.
[06:20] <Kilos> yip i agree but it gets you to a real poegaai state
[06:22] <superfly> Kilos: Well, if that's what it takes, then that is what it takes. I chose to be a father, I accept the responsibility and I will put my children first.
[06:22] <Kilos> heres a new site for those interested
[06:22] <Kilos> http://www.androidquestions.org/forum.php
[06:22] <Kilos> good man
[06:23] <Kilos> store up blessings in heaven not here
[06:23] <Squirm> hi
[06:23] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[06:32] <superfly> yo Squirm, Vince-0
[06:33] <Kilos> lo Vince-0
[06:33] <Kilos> pc took 15 mins to boot today
[06:33] <Kilos> got a sick sata 160g plugged in as second drive
[06:34] <Kilos> shows in bios and gparted shows it as unallocated
[06:34] <Kilos> so trying the gpart recovery tool
[06:34] <Vince-0> Haai!
[06:37] <Kilos> oh is there a command whereby i can clone this drive onto the second drive and will it clone the mbr as well
[06:37] <superfly> Kilos: dd, but you don't want to use that
[06:38] <Kilos> i mean is there one i can use
[06:38] <Kilos> only dd i use at times is the drive zero one
[06:43] <Kilos> found this superfly but not sure if it will do mbr boot and all
[06:43] <Kilos> rsync -avx --progress / /new-disk/
[06:44] <superfly> Kilos: no, rsync only looks at files on a file system, not raw bytes
[06:44] <Kilos> ah ty misleading link then
[06:44] <Kilos> http://superuser.com/questions/307541/copy-
[07:41] <Kilos> ian was called out at midnight . office/workshop had been broken into and got back at 3am so also tired today
[08:58] <Kilos> hi Tonberry timkeller
[08:58] <timkeller> Hi Kilos
[08:59] <Kilos> evening inetpro
[09:02] <Tonberry> hi
[09:11] <Kilos> ohi KilosKid
[09:11] <KilosKid> Yo.
[10:40] <inetpro> good morning Kilos
[10:41] <Kilos> lol
[10:42] <inetpro> Kilos: where is kiloskid in Australia, as in what timezone?
[10:42] <Kilos> in aus 8 or 9 hours ahead of us
[10:43] <Kilos> shes coming
[10:43] <Kilos> dont just lurk KilosKid say hi or something
[10:44] <inetpro> KilosKid: good morning, what town are you in?
[10:44] <Kilos> melbourne
[10:44] <KilosKid> Yo
[10:44] <KilosKid> lol Kilos, that's funny. Everyone else is lurking. :P
[10:45]  * inetpro putting the timezone for Melbourne on tzwatch
[10:45] <Kilos> they are working mostly
[10:46] <Kilos> and peek to see if anything interesting is happening now and again
[10:47] <inetpro> KilosKid: would that be EDT (Eastern Daylight Time)?
[10:47] <KilosKid> Yep. :)
[10:47] <KilosKid> It's currently 21:47pm
[10:47] <KilosKid> obviously it's pm....
[10:47] <Kilos> still 8 ahead
[10:47] <Kilos> when they move away
[10:48] <Kilos> oh no its 9
[10:49] <Kilos> weird how they move the country closer and further in winter and summer
[10:49] <KilosKid> lol
[10:49] <Kilos> we stay stable all year
[10:49] <superfly> KilosKid: every time you say hi, I'm not at my desk, and then just as I get to my desk, you disappeared :-P
[10:51] <KilosKid> SUPAHflahhhh.
[10:51] <KilosKid> I did the whole "leave comp on login page for overnight"
[10:51] <KilosKid> For about eight hours
[10:51] <KilosKid> It didn't freeze.
[10:51] <KilosKid> But, my comp doesn't freeze anymore anyway when I just leave it on its own
[10:52] <KilosKid> Typically, when I leave it alone, I close everything anyway.
[10:52] <superfly> OK, so that's a step in the right direction
[10:54] <KilosKid> How so?
[10:54] <KilosKid> Just insofar as troubleshooting further?
[10:54] <superfly> it's not just freezing anytime
[10:54] <KilosKid> It was freezing when I was using dash
[10:54] <KilosKid> And then Kilos had me do a thingy that auto-configured stuff to avoid clashes
[10:54] <KilosKid> And I think it's okay now
[10:54] <superfly> OK
[10:54] <superfly> Kilos: ^^ autoconfigure?
[10:55] <Kilos> dpkg --configure -a
[10:55] <Kilos> all i could think of
[10:55] <KilosKid> When I had Windows, my art program (photoshop) and music program were installed, and they were also causing the comp to freeze (along with Youtube).
[10:55] <KilosKid> I'd imagine that the problem is the same. If I installed GIMP and my music program, chances are it would still freeze
[10:56] <KilosKid> I just only check Youtube because I know that as long as Youtube is freezing, so too will those two big programs
[10:56] <superfly> KilosKid: you never know until you try
[10:56] <KilosKid> Also, the last time I installed my music program, Windows blue screened the ULTIMATE blue screen and I had to reformat.
[10:56] <KilosKid> So... Yes.
[10:56] <KilosKid> I don't want to install anything until I fix this issue.
[10:56] <superfly> what is your music program?
[10:57] <KilosKid> It's what came with my microphone
[10:57] <KilosKid> Avid Pro Tools SE.
[10:57] <superfly> oh right
[10:57] <Kilos> superfly, is there a stress tester one can use to pinpoint the prob area of the hardware
[10:57] <Kilos> somewhere in mb methinks
[10:57] <KilosKid> There's something called MPrime that stresses the CPU
[10:58] <KilosKid> Right now, it's looking like it might be the PSU, CPU, or motherboard.
[10:58] <inetpro> KilosKid: sorry if I don't respond, trying to work here as well
[10:58] <KilosKid> That's alright.
[11:00] <Kilos> i actually have a stress cd somewhere but couldnt use it because it asked for a password
[11:00] <Kilos> grrr
[11:01] <KilosKid> lol
[11:01] <KilosKid> awe
[11:01] <superfly> KilosKid: You might want to try Ardour as an alternative to Pro Tools
[11:02] <inetpro> BTW the timezone I had to add for tzwatch was for 'Australia/Sydney'
[11:02]  * inetpro enjoys tzwatch
[11:02] <KilosKid> Oooh
[11:02] <KilosKid> That works, inetpro. Sydney is on the east coast too, right above Victoria/Melb.
[11:03] <KilosKid> Its three reviews don't instill confidence.
[11:03] <inetpro> I just enter tzwatch on the cli and it shows me all the multiple zones I have entered so far (of people I know in the different regions)
[11:03] <KilosKid> I would like to get tzwatch
[11:04] <inetpro> sudo aptitude install tzwatch
[11:04] <Kilos> Maaz, google stress linux cd download
[11:04] <Maaz> Kilos: "Stresslinux" http://www.stresslinux.org/ :: "Linux Stress Testing and Benchmarking - Overclockers Forums" http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=486495 :: "Download StressLinux 0.7.106 for Linux - A minimal Linux ..." http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Operating-Systems/Linux-Distributions/StressLinux-2070.shtml :: "Download StressLinux
[11:04] <Maaz> v0.7.106 (64-bit) live CD Torrent | 1337x.org" http://1337x.org/torrent/386728/StressLinux-v0…
[11:04] <inetpro> a very simple small yet effective little utility
[11:05] <KilosKid> Thanks inetpro
[11:06] <inetpro> use 'tzwatch -c' to configure
[11:06] <superfly> inetpro: apt-get, aptitude doesn't work with multiarch
[11:07] <inetpro> superfly: multiarch?
[11:07] <inetpro> superfly: KilosKid not on Ubuntu?
[11:07] <superfly> inetpro: yup, we've moved away from ia32-libs to multiarch
[11:08] <inetpro> hang on, let me understand that
[11:08] <KilosKid> inetpro: Yes, I'm using Ubuntu.
[11:08] <inetpro> superfly: what do you mean with that?
[11:08] <KilosKid> *confused*
[11:08]  * KilosKid is confused.
[11:08] <KilosKid> Ehem.
[11:08] <superfly> inetpro: linux used to have a system called ia32-libs in order to install 32-bit libraries on 64-bit linux.
[11:09] <superfly> KilosKid: just ignore us for the moment, we're talking geeky technical details :-)
[11:09] <KilosKid> superfly: lol, I'll say. :P
[11:09] <inetpro> and you can no longer aptitude because of that?
[11:09] <KilosKid> The tzwatch worked with aptitude though.
[11:09] <KilosKid> Is it supposed to have me work out the time zone settings in the terminal?
[11:10] <inetpro> KilosKid: yep
[11:10] <superfly> inetpro: but as of 12.04 and 12.10, Ubuntu has moved to use multiarch instead... so you install a 32bit package via apt-get install package-name:i386
[11:10] <inetpro> hmm...
[11:10] <KilosKid> Okay, so should I install this Stresslinux thingy?
[11:10]  * inetpro will have to read some more about that... later
[11:10] <superfly> inetpro: unfortunately aptitude is unable to deal with multiarch at the moment (I believe they are working on it) so it is safer to install software using apt-get if you are on a 64-bit system
[11:10] <inetpro> superfly: thanks for the heads up
[11:11] <KilosKid> What bit is my system?
[11:11] <KilosKid> My Windows was 32 bit
[11:11] <superfly> inetpro: aptitude nearly destroyed my PC when I upgraded to 12.04
[11:11] <KilosKid> So does that mean that my system is 32 bit, or?
[11:11] <inetpro> KilosKid: most likely 32bit
[11:11] <superfly> KilosKid: I don't know, but most likely
[11:12] <superfly> KilosKid: what you can do is to download StreeLinux, and then run it from CD
[11:12]  * inetpro back to work, will be back later
[11:12] <KilosKid> Toodles, inetpro.
[11:12] <KilosKid> Superfly: StreeLinux?
[11:12] <superfly> ag, StressLinux
[11:12] <KilosKid> That forum, btw, just confused me. My poor brain. I've got PC-terms overload.
[11:13] <superfly> KilosKid: it looks quite technical though, so you'll probably want to double-check with us before you do anything
[11:13] <KilosKid> Okay, I will download StressLinux. Should I get it from the download link on the website, or using synaptic/ternimal?
[11:14] <superfly> KilosKid: http://www.stresslinux.org/sl/wiki/Documentation
[11:14] <superfly> KilosKid: it's another version of Linux, like Ubuntu, but you run it from the CD
[11:15] <KilosKid> Like... Another OS?
[11:17] <inetpro> lol
[11:17] <superfly> KilosKid: yup, it's built on the same foundation as Ubuntu though
[11:17] <KilosKid> Why do I want another OS though?
[11:17] <superfly> KilosKid: you don't, as such. StressLinux just allows you to boot up a CD and use that CD to test your hardware. Once you're done you reboot and go back to using Ubuntu
[11:18]  * inetpro could not help notice that reaction from KilosKid
[11:18] <inetpro> KilosKid: check http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=popularity
[11:18] <superfly> inetpro: let
[11:18] <KilosKid> Okay.
[11:18] <inetpro> it's a new world
[11:18] <superfly> *let's not overwhelm the lass now, OK?
[11:18] <inetpro> :-)
[11:18] <inetpro> ok... I'll stay out of it
[11:18] <KilosKid> Is cdrecord already on my Ubuntu, or do I have to manually go get it?
[11:19] <superfly> KilosKid: You should be able to download the ISO file, and then just right-click on it and select "Burn to CD"
[11:19] <KilosKid> Okay.
[11:19] <Kilos> lol
[11:19] <superfly> if you need anything else, Ubuntu *should* take care of it automatically.
[11:19] <KilosKid> superfly: And where do I download it from?
[11:19] <KilosKid> What are you lolling at, Kilos?
[11:20] <Kilos> the probs reaction to why would you want another os
[11:20] <superfly> KilosKid: http://www.stresslinux.org/sl/downloads/52
[11:20] <KilosKid> I see.
[11:20] <superfly> that should probably be the right one for you
[11:21] <KilosKid> I have to open it with Archive Manager. Is there any problem with that, or can I go ahead?
[11:21] <superfly> KilosKid: like I said, this is all very technical, so take it easy, and if you're unsure of anything rather ask us first
[11:21] <Kilos> you didnt try running ubuntu from cd so you dont know you can actually run it from cd on a winsucks pc just to try it
[11:21] <superfly> KilosKid: that should be OK
[11:21] <KilosKid> I ran Ubuntu from a flash drive, yeah.'
[11:21] <KilosKid> Because it's too huge for my CDs
[11:21] <KilosKid> Does that mean this other OS is gonna be massive too?
[11:21] <KilosKid> I don't know how an external OS is supposed to be able to test the hardware...
[11:21] <superfly> big enough to fit on a CD
[11:22] <KilosKid> I'm not worried about big -enough-. I'm worried about -too- big.
[11:22] <superfly> KilosKid: don't worry, it will :-)
[11:22] <Kilos> you set bios to boot from cd and then use it from there
[11:22] <KilosKid> I have 700mb CDs. Ubuntu 12.10 is 765ish
[11:22] <KilosKid> I know, Kilos.
[11:22] <KilosKid> Okay superfly. how long is it supposed to take, and what should I be keeping an eye out for?
[11:22] <KilosKid> Will it write a report?
[11:23] <Kilos> it will show you on screen whats happpening
[11:23] <superfly> KilosKid: it'll take a little while, it first has to download the zip file, then unzip it, and then you'll be able to burn it to CD
[11:23] <KilosKid> I mean
[11:23] <KilosKid> Not that part
[11:23] <KilosKid> When it actually is running and testing the hardware.
[11:23] <superfly> oh... I don't know.
[11:24] <KilosKid> Alright.
[11:24] <superfly> I've never seen StressLinux before today
[11:24] <Kilos> is that link an iso download superfly
[11:24] <superfly> Kilos: It's a gzipped ISO
[11:25] <superfly> uh, I mean, a bzip2'ed ISO
[11:25] <Kilos> ok then Kilos you unzip it
[11:25] <Kilos> extract right where you open it
[11:25] <Kilos> then right click that file and use
[11:25] <Kilos> um
[11:25] <Kilos> eish
[11:25] <Kilos> brasero to burn to cd
[11:26] <Kilos> i mean brat not me
[11:26] <KilosKid> Oh.
[11:26] <KilosKid> 227 mbs. That's not bad.
[11:26] <KilosKid> lol
[11:26] <superfly> KilosKid: it still needs to unzip though
[11:26] <KilosKid> I know.
[11:26] <KilosKid> So the general idea is...
[11:27] <Kilos> double click it
[11:27] <KilosKid> Kilos, shh.
[11:27] <Kilos> then tick extract
[11:27] <KilosKid> You're saying things I know already :P
[11:27] <superfly> KilosKid: shh man, sy praat.
[11:27] <Kilos> ok go ahead
[11:27] <Kilos> lol
[11:27] <superfly> ag, Kilos
[11:27] <superfly> you know, it's flippin difficult to tab-complete to the right one of you two
[11:27] <KilosKid> Anyhoo... When running this thing, it will load the PC (etc, emulating big processes like using Youtube or a photo program, etc), and essentially trying to make the comp freeze, and then it will log what hardware caused the freeze?
[11:28] <KilosKid> WHAT IF IT COMES BACK WITH NO HARDWARE ISSUES?
[11:28] <KilosKid> Then I'm screwed. We've done all the software troubleshooting that's in existence, surely.
[11:29] <KilosKid> Besides, it shouldn't be software-related since I have had this freezing problem in two different OSes, and none of the same software.
[11:29] <superfly> KilosKid: something like that
[11:29] <superfly> yes, I also reckon it is a hardware issue
[11:29]  * inetpro agrees, she needs another name
[11:29] <KilosKid> Okay.
[11:29] <KilosKid> How about...
[11:29] <KilosKid> KidKilos
[11:29] <KilosKid> :D
[11:29] <KilosKid> Therefore, Kid is first.
[11:30] <inetpro> ai... about something with a k
[11:30] <KilosKid> Wait one, I go change it.
[11:30] <inetpro> I mean without a k
[11:30] <KilosKid> BabyKilos?
[11:30] <KilosKid> SpawnofKilos?
[11:30] <inetpro> sjoe nee
[11:30] <KilosKid> I'd put BratKilos, but I think Kilos would like that one too much.
[11:31] <inetpro> make it a nice name
[11:31] <Kilos> hehe
[11:31] <KilosKid> TaraLynnKilos.
[11:31] <KilosKid> How do I change it without logging out/in?
[11:31] <inetpro> type /nick and a new name
[11:32] <TaraLynnKilos> Yay
[11:32] <Kilos> whew poor peeps without tab complete
[11:33] <inetpro> ya that's a bit long but better than KilosKid
[11:33] <TaraKilos> Eish, there.
[11:33] <Kilos> brat is good
[11:33] <TaraKilos> Kilos, pay attention to your PIdgin, please.
[11:33] <Kilos> hmm
[11:33] <inetpro> anyway... go on with the super fly issues
[11:34] <Kilos> soooo cheeky
[11:35] <TaraKilos> I asked nicely. Bah.
[11:35] <Kilos> lol
[11:38] <TaraKilos> Whew.
[11:38] <TaraKilos> 154KBs/ps
[11:38] <TaraKilos> Stupid slow interwebs
[11:39] <Kilos> try gprs
[11:39] <TaraKilos> Where?
[11:39] <Kilos> you lucky to get to 40kB/s
[11:39] <TaraKilos> Oh
[11:39] <TaraKilos> lol
[11:39] <TaraKilos> I thowwy.
[11:39] <Kilos> when  you use fone as modem
[11:40] <TaraKilos> Oh, nope.
[11:40] <TaraKilos> The chat is still there in the window.
[11:40] <TaraKilos> There used to be an option "Clear IM chat" or something
[11:40] <Kilos> how can it come back
[11:40] <Kilos> it must clear
[11:41] <TaraKilos> I opened a different window.
[11:41] <TaraKilos> I think I have the settings set to "keep chat"
[11:41] <TaraKilos> One moment
[11:41] <Kilos> oh you have to close each one you want clear
[11:41] <TaraKilos> I know.
[11:41] <TaraKilos> That's not working
[11:41] <TaraKilos> The other one was clear because nothing had been typed
[11:41] <Kilos> restart pidgin then all gone
[11:43] <TaraKilos> Blah.
[11:43] <TaraKilos> Okeydoke.
[11:45] <TaraKilos> Oh, also
[11:45] <TaraKilos> superfly: How do I install drivers for my Lexmark All-In-One printer?
[11:46] <Kilos> did you boot with it plugged kiddo
[11:46] <superfly> TaraKilos: How is your printer plugged in?
[11:47] <TaraKilos> USB.
[11:47] <TaraKilos> I haven't plugged it in
[11:47] <TaraKilos> Actually
[11:48] <TaraKilos> I ran my comp from when it had been on all night, not logged in
[11:48] <TaraKilos> And then inside five mins of plugging in the printer, it froze
[11:48] <TaraKilos> I will restart with it plugged in and see what happens
[11:48] <TaraKilos> For now though, where do I extract StressLinux to?
[11:48] <Kilos> right where you open it
[11:48] <TaraKilos> So back into its own folder?
[11:48] <Kilos> on desktop or in the same file
[11:49] <Kilos> ya
[11:49] <Kilos> you said you know
[11:49]  * Kilos sighs
[11:49] <TaraKilos> I think I'll extract to Desktop
[11:49] <Kilos> hehe
[11:49] <TaraKilos> I said I know to right click and select extract
[11:49] <Kilos> yip thats good
[11:49] <TaraKilos> I was asking now if there was a specific place I should extract it to
[11:49] <TaraKilos> Sheesh
[11:50] <TaraKilos> Okay, brb.
[11:50] <Kilos> once extracted
[11:50] <Kilos> wait
[11:50] <Kilos> have you burned it already
[11:50] <nuvolari> the what what? Tara herself? or oom kilos?
[11:51] <Kilos> you right click and go open with
[11:51] <Kilos> brasero
[11:52] <TaraKilos> It's still extracting
[11:52] <TaraKilos> I will be back in about forty-five mins
[11:53] <Kilos> sjoe
[11:53] <Kilos> sy ook nuvolari
[11:54] <Kilos> she can actually change nick to tara now
[11:54] <Kilos> everyone knows she be my brat
[11:55] <Kilos> those that dont can read logs
[11:55] <Kilos> shame
[11:55] <Kilos> ty superfly and inetpro
[11:56] <Kilos> together we will get to the bottom o the prob and find a solution'
[11:56] <nuvolari> we have a celebrity in the house!
[11:58] <Kilos> ya but a stubborn one
[11:58] <Kilos> i was never like that
[12:07]  * Kilos cries
[12:07] <magespawn> howdy
[12:07] <Kilos> input/output error during write on /dev/sda1
[12:07] <superfly> hiya magespawn
[12:07] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[12:08] <magespawn> sure mister 52 clean installs
[12:08] <Kilos> near the end of detecting file system on 2 TB drive
[12:08] <Kilos> lol you also getting cheeky
[12:08] <magespawn> hey superfly kilos
[12:09] <magespawn> wait till i'm really tired like i will be on monday
[12:09] <Kilos> aw wassup\
[12:09] <magespawn> gonna be driving for 900 or so kms
[12:09] <Kilos> i still know some of the mafia in natal so np
[12:09] <Kilos> whew
[12:10] <Kilos> where going
[12:10] <Kilos> taking game away?
[12:11] <magespawn> three round trips hluhluwe - richards bay - mbazwana * 3
[12:11] <magespawn> the kid still getting the pc working i see
[12:12] <Kilos> ya slowly
[12:13] <Kilos> looks like she inherited murphys law from me
[12:15] <Kilos> Maaz, murphys law
[12:15] <Maaz> If something can give trouble, rest assured, it will
[12:18] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee on
[12:18]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[12:20] <magespawn> gotta go people are here
[12:20] <Kilos> toods magespawn
[12:20] <Kilos> go safe
[12:21] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[12:21] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[12:22] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Squirm and Kilos!
[12:22] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[12:22] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[13:11] <TaraKilos> Murphy's Law needs to go down to the very most horriblest pit of Hell and stay there.
[13:11] <TaraKilos> Suffering immeasurable torture.
[13:11] <TaraKilos> For eternity.
[13:12] <Kilos> lol
[13:12] <TaraKilos> Okay, my thingy extracted to the desktop. Can I just burn it to CD now?
[13:13] <Kilos> ya right click and open with brasero
[13:14] <TaraKilos> It says my disc has 469mbs of free space. But... these are 700mb discs. Whaaaat.
[13:14] <superfly> TaraKilos: you choose the right one?
[13:14] <superfly> TaraKilos: and did you select the .iso file, or the .bzr2 file?
[13:14] <TaraKilos> No. Sorry. I mean, Brasero says that my blank CD-R disc has 496MB space.
[13:15] <TaraKilos> I have no idea. When I clicked the link you gave me, it automatically popped up a 'save this file' box.
[13:15] <TaraKilos> Oh.
[13:15] <TaraKilos> It says it's iso
[13:16] <Kilos> thats the freesapce that will be left over
[13:17] <TaraKilos> Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[13:17] <TaraKilos> That makes perfect sense.
[13:17] <TaraKilos> Thanks Kilos, for helping me overcome that blonde moment
[13:17] <Kilos> lol
[13:17] <Kilos> yw
[13:20] <TaraKilos>     Download the iso image and extract the bzip2 compressed archive.
[13:20] <TaraKilos>     Burn the .iso file with your favourite cd-r application.
[13:20] <TaraKilos>     Boot your target system with newly created disc.
[13:20] <TaraKilos>     At first login with user: stress and password: stress
[13:20] <TaraKilos>     Keyboard layout select will start, select your prefered keyboard layout
[13:20] <TaraKilos>     The next dialog shows sl-wizard, which allows you to load predefined lm_sensor configurations. If your mainboard is not listed, select Cancel.
[13:20] <TaraKilos>     If sensors configuration got loaded and works, then you will see sensor readings on TTY12 (STRG+F12)
[13:20] <TaraKilos>     Switching to TTY11 will show harddisk temprature readings, if a valid drive is detected.
[13:20] <TaraKilos>     TTY10 shows you ethernet throughput on eth0 (needs working dhcp server on your network)
[13:20] <TaraKilos>     Tools for testing your system are listed in the motd. For little help on these tools type <toolname> --help
[13:20] <TaraKilos>     If you need to login into stresslinux via ssh, use the user "stress" with password "stress" . Use 'sudo -i' to get root rights.
[13:20] <TaraKilos>     If you want to rerun sl-wizard, then execute "rm /tmp/sensors". Now run sl-wizard.sh.
[13:21] <TaraKilos> .... Good lord.
[13:21] <TaraKilos> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1360223/
[13:21] <TaraKilos> That's hurt-my-brain territory
[13:21] <Kilos> cant you do it with brasero
[13:21] <TaraKilos> Everything up to step 7 makes sense.
[13:22] <Kilos> now i see the password
[13:22] <Kilos> will try mine when pc gives probs
[13:22] <TaraKilos> lol
[13:23] <TaraKilos> Wow. Drive speed: 3100KiBs
[13:23] <TaraKilos> I have no idea what that number means
[13:23] <TaraKilos> But looking at the progress bar, it's going super fast
[13:23] <Tonberry> that is fairly slow
[13:24] <TaraKilos> Oh.
[13:24] <TaraKilos> Well it's fast for me.
[13:24] <TaraKilos> CPU is staying at 28c
[13:24] <TaraKilos> MB at 38c
[13:26] <TaraKilos> Okay, disc is made.
[13:26] <Kilos> hi Tonberry
[13:26] <TaraKilos> But the steps from step 7 confuse me.
[13:27] <Kilos> when you start it it will ask for username and password
[13:27] <Kilos> both are stress
[13:27] <TaraKilos> Yes I know
[13:27] <TaraKilos> I said from step 7
[13:27] <Kilos> you will need another pc here when you do it
[13:28] <Kilos> once it lets you in then you  go sudo -i
[13:28] <TaraKilos> Wait
[13:29] <TaraKilos> I go get laptop
[13:29] <Kilos> then hope the fly is available to help further
[13:29] <Kilos> lol
[13:29] <Kilos> stroppy chick that
[13:43] <TaraKilos> Eeh
[13:44] <Kilos> wb
[13:44] <TaraKilos> ty
[13:44] <TaraKilos> So I selected keyboard
[13:44] <TaraKilos> Next step is all about sensor... thingies.
[13:44] <TaraKilos> hardware sensors. I have no idea what to do here.
[13:45] <TaraKilos> There are 70. Sheesh.
[13:45] <TaraKilos> Oh oh oh
[13:45] <TaraKilos> Please select your vendor mainboard.
[13:45] <TaraKilos> There are only four ASUS ones to check from
[13:45] <TaraKilos> How do I know which is mine?
[13:46] <Kilos> whew you gave it to us the other day
[13:46] <TaraKilos> The p5LK thing?
[13:46] <Kilos> ya
[13:46] <TaraKilos> Mine isn't on here.
[13:46] <TaraKilos> It says just to select cancel, right?
[13:46] <Kilos> then try highest number one
[13:47] <Kilos> i dunno
[13:47] <TaraKilos> I sent you guys the link with the directions
[13:47] <TaraKilos> I don't have it on the laptop
[13:47] <Kilos> oh that pile of spam?sec
[13:47] <TaraKilos> Blah
     Download the iso image and extract the bzip2 compressed archive.
     Burn the .iso file with your favourite cd-r application.
     Boot your target system with newly created disc.
     At first login with user: stress and password: stress
     Keyboard layout select will start, select your prefered keyboard layout
     The next dialog shows sl-wizard, which allows you to load predefined lm_sensor configurations. If your mainboard is not listed, select Cancel.
[13:47] <TaraKilos> I put it on a pastebin after that
     If sensors configuration got loaded and works, then you will see sensor readings on TTY12 (STRG+F12)
     Switching to TTY11 will show harddisk temprature readings, if a valid drive is detected.
     TTY10 shows you ethernet throughput on eth0 (needs working dhcp server on your network)
     Tools for testing your system are listed in the motd. For little help on these tools type <toolname> --help
     If you need to login into stresslinux via ssh, use the user "stress" with password "stress" . Use 'sudo -i' to get root rights.
     If you want to rerun sl-wizard, then execute "rm /tmp/sensors". Now run sl-wizard.sh.
[13:48] <Kilos> oops
[13:48] <Kilos> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1360223/
[13:48] <TaraKilos> looooool
[13:48] <Kilos> sorry i missed that
[13:48] <Kilos> the guys will swear at me now now
[13:48]  * Kilos hides
[13:49] <TaraKilos> Hm
[13:50] <TaraKilos> I have two CPUs, but only one is running
[13:50] <Kilos> 2 seperate ones
[13:50] <Kilos> or 2 cores in one
[13:51] <Kilos> i didnt go look your pics of it
[13:51] <TaraKilos> I have no idea
[13:51] <Kilos> there is a hyperthreading thing in bios should be on if you got core2 or dual core methinks
[13:51] <TaraKilos> Wait.  That was a huge list.
[13:59] <TaraKilos> And yeah.
[13:59] <TaraKilos> Maybe we should try cook what ISN'T the problem first
[13:59] <TaraKilos> Or rather, what we know isn't. Like the HDD. Or something.
[14:00] <Kilos> lol
[14:00] <TaraKilos> I guess I'll just type in 'stress' and hope the comp doesn't explode
[14:00] <Kilos> lemme see if i can work it out
[14:00] <Kilos> ya
[14:00] <TaraKilos> I wanna wait for Superfly's feedback, though
[14:00] <Kilos> watch for smoke and where it comes from
[14:00] <TaraKilos> lol
[14:00]  * TaraKilos cries.
[14:01] <Kilos> rofl
[14:01] <Kilos> wont happen man
[14:02] <Kilos> 'he will be hitting the train home shortly so you might only get him when he gets home and gets a break from family duties
[14:02] <TaraKilos> Darn
[14:02] <Kilos> but go with stress so long
[14:02] <TaraKilos> That's what I wanted his feedback on
[14:02] <TaraKilos> Buuuut okay...
[14:03] <Kilos> its a linux program so you should be safe
[14:03] <Kilos> it might rattle the windows a bit though
[14:03] <Kilos> and the doors
[14:04] <TaraKilos> lol
[14:04] <Tonberry> if it breaks something it would have broken pretty soon anyway
[14:05] <Kilos> ya
[14:05] <Kilos> i dont think its a prob
[14:05] <TaraKilos> Yeah
[14:05] <Kilos> just see readouts
[14:05] <TaraKilos> Took me to another menu
[14:05] <Kilos> should give some info all the time i think
[14:05] <TaraKilos> Which I'm uploading a pic of
[14:05] <Kilos> lol
[14:06] <TaraKilos> Why is that funny?
[14:06] <Kilos> i got more pics of your pc here than mine
[14:06] <TaraKilos> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Krice_Verta/CPUThing2.jpg
[14:09] <Kilos> oh has it run stress already
[14:10] <TaraKilos> I have no idea. Probably not.
[14:10] <Kilos> or is this still the setup
[14:10] <TaraKilos> I typed in stress and that page came up
[14:10] <TaraKilos> I guess it's still setup?
[14:10] <Kilos> ah ok sec
[14:10] <Kilos> me go squint at it
[14:10] <TaraKilos> lol
[14:11] <Kilos> thats the stuff i always ask the guys to put into a neat command for me
[14:12] <Kilos> go stress -c
[14:12] <Kilos> and see what happens
[14:13] <TaraKilos> Ugh, nope
[14:13] <TaraKilos> I typed:
[14:13] <TaraKilos> stress -c
[14:13] <TaraKilos> stress -cpu
[14:13] <TaraKilos> stres --cpu
[14:13] <Kilos> oh and next time you reboot go bios and check that a thing called hyperthreading is enabled
[14:13] <TaraKilos> One thing at a time, please.
[14:14] <superfly> TaraKilos: according to the site, the username and password are both "stress"
[14:14] <TaraKilos> Yep, I did that.
[14:14] <TaraKilos> I typed in stress, and then go http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Krice_Verta/CPUThing2.jpg this page.
[14:14] <TaraKilos> got*
[14:14] <TaraKilos> I typed in stress to stress the CPU I mean
[14:15] <Kilos> it needs the bits and pices to complete the command superfly
[14:15] <Kilos> like i always battle with
[14:16] <Kilos> TaraKilos, copy the warning line here
[14:16] <Kilos> copy and paste here
[14:16] <TaraKilos> First page I had was this one http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Krice_Verta/CPUThing.jpg So I typed in 'stress' to stress the CPU/etc, and got that second one
[14:16] <TaraKilos> What warning line?
[14:16] <Kilos> on the second page
[14:16] <TaraKilos> But it's visible there on the image...
[14:16] <Kilos> warning output may be incomplete
[14:16] <Kilos> oh i see it but cant copy
[14:17] <TaraKilos> Do you want to copy it to google it?
[14:17] <Kilos> no then the fly can tell you if you must use that info to go in as superuser
[14:17] <superfly> stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2 --hdd 1 --timeout 10s
[14:17] <Kilos> see
[14:17] <TaraKilos> Fly can see the image too ,though. Right?
[14:18] <TaraKilos> So I type in: stress --cpu 8 ?
[14:18] <Kilos> theres your command to use
[14:18] <Kilos> stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2 --hdd 1 --timeout 10s
[14:18] <Kilos> tara ^^
[14:19] <Kilos> i leave you to the fly
[14:19] <Kilos> ty superfly
[14:19] <TaraKilos> Successful run complete in 11 seconds.
[14:19] <TaraKilos> Whassat mean?
[14:20] <superfly> it was successful and only took 11 seconds?
[14:20] <TaraKilos> Well yes
[14:20] <TaraKilos> But does 'successful' mean 'no problems'?
[14:20] <superfly> remove the timeout option, and see what it does
[14:20] <TaraKilos> Okay.
[14:20] <TaraKilos> I just put 'stress --cpu 8
[14:20] <TaraKilos> Not sure why the 8 makes a different
[14:20] <TaraKilos> ce*
[14:22] <TaraKilos> Nothing so far. Who knows if this'll just keep going until I restart... hm.
[14:23] <TaraKilos> Shouldn't the fan spin faster if the CPU is loaded?
[14:23] <TaraKilos> And therefore, make more noise?
[14:25] <Tonberry> usually
[14:25] <TaraKilos> It's not, at the moment.
[14:25] <TaraKilos> And the readout on the screen isn't changing, so I'm nooot sure if this is even running. Hm.
[14:27] <Kilos> thstress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2 --hdd 1
[14:27] <Kilos> eish
[14:27] <TaraKilos> o.0
[14:27] <Kilos> stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2 --hdd 1
[14:28] <TaraKilos> I don't have a command prompt to type that in
[14:28] <Kilos> the fly said leave out the timeout option
[14:28] <TaraKilos> I did.
[14:29] <Kilos> I just put 'stress --cpu 8
[14:29] <TaraKilos> Yes.... that's what I did.
[14:29] <Kilos> stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2 --hdd 1
[14:29] <TaraKilos> I only wanted to test the cpu
[14:29] <Kilos> all those bits and pieces in there have meaning
[14:29] <TaraKilos> Oi Fine.
[14:30] <TaraKilos> I'll restart it.
[14:30] <TaraKilos> Five horses.
[14:30] <Kilos> as in the cpu dont work unless its gotta move stuff from hdd and ram etc
[14:31] <TaraKilos> Is that what all that means?
[14:31] <TaraKilos> --hdd makes the hard drive accessible to --cpu?
[14:32] <Tonberry> not necessarily
[14:32] <Tonberry> some cpu load can be on the cpu cache only
[14:32] <TaraKilos> I didn't think that it did. I thought it meant that putting in --hdd would test the hard drive at the same time
[14:32] <TaraKilos> I just wanted to test the cpu on its own
[14:32] <Tonberry> that should actually produce more cpu stress than a load that constantly needs things from ram
[14:33] <TaraKilos> I'll input that whole line then
[14:33] <Kilos> ton explain what that whole command means with all the - - etc
[14:33] <Kilos> as in --hdd
[14:34] <TaraKilos> Okay, disk is actually making that loading sound now
[14:34] <TaraKilos> It wasn't before.
[14:34] <TaraKilos> Naive me.
[14:34] <TaraKilos> The stresslinux CD, I mean
[14:34] <Kilos> and --io
[14:35] <Kilos> when the fly gives you a command dont change it. he knows what each piece does
[14:35] <TaraKilos> k
[14:37] <Kilos> Tonberry, explain what that whole command means with all the - - etc --io and stuff please
[14:37] <TaraKilos> He doesn't have to.
[14:37] <Kilos> i wont remeber but it might help TaraKilos understand
[14:37] <Tonberry> i can only speculate
[14:37] <TaraKilos> This may end up taking a while. On one forum, a guy suggested using MPrime (to someone else, not me) and letting it run for at least 12 hours, but 24 is better.
[14:37] <Tonberry> i have never seen that command before
[14:37] <TaraKilos> This isn't MPrime, but t's still a Comp stresser, so it may need roughly the same
[14:38] <Tonberry> mprime is good
[14:38] <TaraKilos> it's*
[14:39] <TaraKilos> If it's gonna put the same/more amount of stress on the Comp that watching Youtube (which freezes my comp) does, then it should finish soonish, hey?
[14:41] <Kilos> ?
[14:41] <Kilos> youtube puts stress on everything
[14:41] <Kilos> ram included
[14:41] <TaraKilos> So what...?
[14:41] <Kilos> so we not testing everything at once methinks
[14:41] <TaraKilos> Okay then.
[14:41] <TaraKilos> The disc stopped making its loud loading noise.
[14:42] <Kilos> no readout
[14:42] <TaraKilos> Nope
[14:42] <Kilos> passed failed etc
[14:42] <Kilos> eish
[14:42] <TaraKilos> Wait. It made a loady noise.
[14:42] <TaraKilos> Oi.
[14:42] <TaraKilos> I wish it would let me know what it's doing.
[14:42] <Kilos> lol
[14:43] <Kilos> yeah it sucks to go blind
[14:43] <Kilos> maybe it will still
[14:43] <TaraKilos> This may take ages.
[14:43] <TaraKilos> Eish
[14:43] <Kilos> maybe it only gives readout on probs not successes
[14:43] <TaraKilos> that's what I was just gonna say.
[14:43] <TaraKilos> Which means... it could go forever!
[14:44] <Kilos> did they not have a manual or userguide on that site too
[14:44] <Kilos> yip no timeout now
[14:44] <TaraKilos> One sec
[14:45] <TaraKilos> I think maybe that was the test. And then it went quiet. Now it's running again.
[14:45] <Kilos> nope its most likely loading more info off cd
[14:46] <Kilos> started on its own hey?
[14:46] <TaraKilos> Yeah
[14:46] <TaraKilos> I haven't touched anything since we started
[14:46] <Kilos> without readout you dunno if it restarting same test or adding more load
[14:46] <TaraKilos> Yeah
[14:47] <TaraKilos> It's following the same pattern though
[14:47] <TaraKilos> The way the CD sounds
[14:47] <TaraKilos> It goes up to full sound, then to a lower one, then settles, and then goes to a middle one, and then up to full loading sound again
[14:47] <Kilos> is the a stop button
[14:48] <Kilos> there
[14:49] <TaraKilos> There's nothing
[14:49] <Kilos> ai
[14:49] <TaraKilos> Just what I typed in "the whole stress --cpu 8 etc" and then a blinking cursor thing
[14:49] <Kilos> whew no pretty gui
[14:50] <TaraKilos> I can't find anything about how long it takes or how it shows you if it's successful/fail
[14:51] <TaraKilos> I'ma just join the StressLinux forum and ask
[14:51] <Kilos> ok
[14:59] <TaraKilos> Okay, posted. Now I wait.
[15:00] <TaraKilos> Gonna give laptop back to mom whilst my PC does its thing
[15:00] <TaraKilos> Thanks everyone for the help. Here's hoping we'll find out the issue.
[15:02] <superfly> TaraKilos: you've been very patient, i'm impressed
[15:02] <TaraKilos> Superfly: Thanks. I've got no choice but to percevere.
[15:03] <TaraKilos> superfly: The option of freaking out isn't one. :P
[15:03] <superfly> hehehe
[15:07] <superfly> TaraKilos: I'll have a look at StressLinux later this evening, and see if I can figure out what the different options mean, and give you a better recommendation for usage.
[15:08] <TaraKilos> The CD has been quiet for several minutes now. Still no readout. HMMM.
[15:08] <TaraKilos> Alright, thanks Supahflahhh.
[15:09]  * TaraKilos waves.
[15:09]  * superfly needs to set up a notification for "supahflahhh" so that he knows when he is being discussed by the Kilos clan
[15:10] <Kilos> lol
[15:10] <Kilos> shes a nut
[15:11] <superfly> Kilos: she didn't fall far from the tree...
[15:11] <Kilos> oh no i am much more patient and not as arrogant
[15:11] <Kilos> anymore
[15:12] <superfly> hahahaha
[15:12] <Kilos> age works wonders
[15:12] <Kilos> ty for helping her superfly
[15:12] <superfly> Np
[15:12] <Kilos> you know i get lost with those commands and what each bit means and does
[16:37] <Kilos> yay just chowned her /storage and /spare
[16:37] <Kilos> without -R
[16:38] <Kilos> ty superfly . been using -R for years everytime
[16:38] <Kilos> h i Cantide
[16:39] <Kilos> hmm me stutters
[16:39] <Kilos> should be h h h h hi
[16:40] <Cantide> evening K K Kilos
[16:40] <Kilos> lol
[16:40] <Cantide> guess what!
[16:40] <Kilos> what you passed
[16:40] <Cantide> oh, results are only out on the 14th of December
[16:40] <Cantide> so i won't know that yet
[16:40] <Cantide> buuuuuuuut..
[16:41] <Cantide> CanStudy is no more
[16:41] <Kilos> ok what then
[16:41] <Cantide> I have locked him away in a cage
[16:41] <Kilos> yay
[16:41] <Kilos> big relief hey
[16:41] <Kilos> hi  mazal
[16:42] <mazal> Naand oom Kilos
[17:18] <magtie> hi Kilos
[17:18] <Kilos> ok clever guys i need to know what to tell tara how to be able to see her grub menu please. she set
[17:18] <Kilos> hiya tannie magespawn
[17:19] <Kilos> ai
[17:19] <Kilos> magtie, ook
[17:19] <Kilos> tara set it to log straight in without asking for passwrod first so doesnt see the grub menu
[17:20] <Kilos> all good magtie ?
[17:20] <Kilos> you beat me tonight
[17:20] <magtie> fine tks
[17:20] <Kilos> my doggie maak my kop plat
[17:21] <magtie> my worsie does not like ubuntu
[17:21] <Kilos> and im sure she gonna need the recovery mode sooner or later
[17:21] <magtie> kicks up a fuss for lack of attention
[17:22] <Kilos> my dogter lief ubuntu met unity en al
[17:22] <Kilos> not my doggie dogter
[17:22] <Kilos> lol
[17:24] <Kilos> i thought doggie in afrikaans is small daughter
[17:24] <Kilos> sorry
[17:24] <magtie> sorry i thought doggie  - dog
[17:24] <Kilos> lol
[17:24] <Kilos> ons trek deurmekaar
[17:26] <Kilos> oom inetpro is jy al tuis
[17:26] <Kilos> ?
[17:27] <Kilos> mazal, is your server working?
[17:29] <Kilos> i get so busy with tara and cooking and sheep that i forget who is doing what
[17:29] <Kilos> havent greeted Banlam bakuman for days
[17:40] <Kilos> im gonna try have an early night. sleep tight all of you
[17:40] <Kilos> will catch up inna morning
[18:42] <Cantide> what can i use to make an iso of a bootable CD?
[18:43] <Tonberry> dd ?
[18:44] <Cantide> dd?
[18:46] <Tonberry> http://www.wikihow.com/Create-an-ISO-File-in-Linux
[18:46] <Cantide> ty
[18:47] <Tonberry> just be careful with dd
[18:48] <Cantide> does it copy boot info?
[18:48] <Cantide> this CD is only useful as a boot CD; other than that the files on it are useless to me
[18:48] <Cantide> it's Hiren's Boot CD, if you're wondering
[18:49] <nuvolari> g'evening
[18:49] <nuvolari> sheesh it's hot
[18:51] <Cantide> hi nuvolari :)
[18:51] <Cantide> hot?
[18:51] <Cantide> seems cool here in Durban
[18:51] <nuvolari> humid and hot here in ballito :-/
[18:51] <Cantide> :-S
[18:51] <Cantide> and you're not even far away...
[18:54] <magespawn> evening
[18:54] <Cantide> magespawn '-'/
[18:54] <magespawn> o/
[18:55] <Cantide> thanks, Tonberry - I now have an ISO
[18:55] <Cantide> i'll figure out how to write that back to CD another day / week / month :p
[19:04] <inetpro> good evening
[19:04] <magespawn> evening inetpro
[19:04] <inetpro> hi magespawn
[19:05] <inetpro> how goes it this evening?
[19:08] <magespawn> bit tired just got home otherwise peachy
[19:08] <nuvolari> meh. when I read something like this I just feel like quitting my job prematurely: http://www.technologyreview.com/news/428610/in-the-olympics-of-algorithms-a-russian-keeps-winning-gold/
[19:11] <smile4ever> hi :D
[19:11] <nuvolari> howdy smile4ever
[19:11] <smile4ever> nuvolari: :)
[19:12] <smile4ever> does someone know batch aliases? :)
[19:15] <superfly> smile4ever: you mean bash aliases?
[19:16] <inetpro> lol
[19:16] <smile4ever> yea :p
[19:16] <smile4ever> sorry :p
[19:16] <superfly> smile4ever: what about them? they're not very complicated
[19:17] <smile4ever> well yeah, I wonder if you can give them a parameter at runtime :)
[19:17] <inetpro> smile4ever: alias ll='ls -alF'
[19:17] <smile4ever> list files? :|
[19:17] <inetpro> hmm... smile4ever, I don't think so
[19:18] <smile4ever> alias update="sudo apt-get update" :)
[19:18] <smile4ever> inetpro: ok :(
[19:18] <inetpro> smile4ever: depending what you mean with runtime
[19:18] <smile4ever> I would like to have "install"
[19:18] <smile4ever> with "sudo apt-get install [parameter]"
[19:19] <inetpro> alias install="sudo apt-get install"
[19:19] <inetpro> then just "install mypackage"
[19:20] <inetpro> but I wouldn't call an alias install
[19:20] <inetpro> or even update
[19:20] <magespawn> how are bash aliases stored?
[19:20] <inetpro> those terms are way to generic
[19:20] <inetpro> magespawn: in your profile folder as ~/.bash_aliases or something like that
[19:21] <inetpro> or .bashrc
[19:21] <smile4ever> inetpro: okay :D
[19:21] <smile4ever> thanks :)
[19:21] <inetpro> depending obvioulsy on whether you're using the bash shell
[19:21] <inetpro> obviously*
[19:22] <smile4ever> I'm using it ;)
[19:22]  * smile4ever is sure
[19:22] <inetpro> man bash
[19:22] <inetpro> it's all in there
[19:23] <magespawn> and aliases are usee to make certain jobs shorter?
[19:23] <inetpro> magespawn: yes, but
[19:23] <inetpro> be careful
[19:24] <inetpro> try not to rely on to many aliases
[19:24] <inetpro> you tend to forget the real commands very quickly if you do
[19:24] <inetpro> but they can be very useful
[19:25] <smile4ever> :)
[19:25]  * inetpro likes putting a few standard aliases in /etc/bash.bashrc
[19:25] <smile4ever> inetpro: for example? :p
[19:26] <inetpro> hmm.. hang on... I realise I have not even set those on me home system... yet
[19:28] <inetpro> smile4ever: alias h='history 25'
[19:29] <inetpro> alias mxlookup='nslookup -type=mx'
[19:29] <smile4ever> useful commands :p
[19:30] <inetpro> and a few exim shortcuts
[19:30] <inetpro> like
[19:30] <inetpro> alias psexim='sudo ps -x -U mailnull'
[19:30] <magespawn> is there any limit to the length or compelxity of aliases?
[19:31] <inetpro> magespawn: just keep them short or write a script when it gets complicated
[19:32] <inetpro> KilosKid: wb tara
[19:32] <KilosKid> inetpro: Thanks. :)
[19:32] <inetpro> or should I rather say good morning
[19:33] <smile4ever> good night! :D
[19:33] <inetpro> magespawn: but I have seen very long and complex aliases
[19:34] <inetpro> magespawn: oh and linux shells are just magic when you really get to know them
[19:35] <inetpro> worth spending some time learning a few basics... and then get a bit deeper as well
[19:35] <KilosKid> Okay, I have a question.
[19:35] <inetpro> KilosKid: shoot
[19:35] <KilosKid> How do I install my lexmark printer onto Linux?
[19:35] <inetpro> don't ask to ask just ask
[19:35] <magespawn> been working on that a bit, have the n900 so have it there, so can learn it on the go
[19:36] <KilosKid> I booted up my PC with the printer plugged in and installed
[19:36] <KilosKid> Hiya, magespawn. :)
[19:36] <magespawn> hey KilosKid
[19:36] <inetpro> KilosKid: and it's not working?
[19:37]  * inetpro enjoys his HP printer that just plugs in and just prints at the click of a button
[19:37] <magespawn> hp and samsung are good for that
[19:38] <inetpro> a printer is one device that I will make absolutely sure that it works on Linux before I buy
[19:38] <KilosKid> Well
[19:38] <inetpro> make sure as well
[19:38] <KilosKid> I've had this printer for about three years
[19:38] <KilosKid> So I had it whilst I had XP
[19:38] <KilosKid> I just clicked 'print' to print a page from Firefox, but nothing happened
[19:38] <KilosKid> It didn't even tell me that a printer wasn't connected
[19:38] <inetpro> I honestly don't know lexmark, but I shall go google
[19:39] <inetpro> KilosKid: what model?
[19:39] <KilosKid> It is aaaaa....
[19:39] <KilosKid> All In One X8350
[19:39] <magespawn> have tried to install from printers?
[19:40] <superfly> KilosKid: you said its plugged in via USB?
[19:40] <KilosKid> Yeah
[19:40] <KilosKid> Hi Supahflahhh. :)
[19:41] <KilosKid> Figures my printer isn't on the 'tested' or 'needs retesting' list. How annoying.
[19:41]  * inetpro hates reading stuff like this: "I contacted Lexmark about the incompatibility with Linux and they have no interest in cooperating at all...."
[19:41] <magespawn> idiots
[19:42] <KilosKid> O.o
[19:42] <magespawn> just give the community the code and we will get it done ourselves
[19:42] <KilosKid> lol
[19:43] <superfly> KilosKid: it doesn't have any networking capabilities, does it?
[19:43] <nuvolari> joh, 'commercial' printers are just as bad
[19:43] <magespawn> never really liked them any way, ink is too expensive
[19:43] <KilosKid> superfly: What do you mean?
[19:43] <nuvolari> we have an Olivetti at the office and to get the proper drivers for ubuntu was a nightmare
[19:43] <KilosKid> Hiya nuvolari :)
[19:43] <magespawn> hey nuvolari
[19:43] <superfly> KilosKid: my printer actually has a network port, and so it is plugged into my network rather than my PC
[19:43] <nuvolari> hellos KilosKid
[19:43] <KilosKid> Oh.
[19:44] <KilosKid> Let me see.
[19:44]  * nuvolari poses for some photographs with KilosKid and have them autographed
[19:44] <KilosKid> Well, it's got a fax in it, so...?
[19:44] <KilosKid> lol nuvolari :P
[19:44] <nuvolari> howdy magespawn
[19:44] <superfly> KilosKid: some printers are easier to work with when they're on the network
[19:44] <nuvolari> how are you doing?
[19:44] <superfly> KilosKid: fax != network
[19:44] <KilosKid> Yay!
[19:44] <magespawn> lol
[19:45] <magespawn> good and you?
[19:45]  * inetpro agrees with superfly, a networked printer makes life so much easier
[19:45] <KilosKid> But how can I put it on the network when I only have one interwebz cable?
[19:45] <inetpro> KilosKid: get a switch
[19:45] <KilosKid> What's a switch?
[19:45] <superfly> KilosKid: both your computer and your mom's plug into the same router, right?
[19:45] <nuvolari> magespawn: doing good... 2 days too many this week... but doing good :P
[19:45] <KilosKid> Yeah...
[19:46] <KilosKid> But mom's cable is aaaaall the way in her room, and the wire is pinned along the sides of the walls.
[19:46] <superfly> KilosKid: can you plug the printer into the router too?
[19:46] <KilosKid> Quite securely.
[19:46] <KilosKid> No
[19:46] <KilosKid> Because the router is in the kitchen
[19:46] <KilosKid> And I don't want my idiot housemate touching my stuff.
[19:46] <magespawn> lol
[19:46] <inetpro> lol
[19:47] <nuvolari> KilosKid: don't talk bad about people on the web, it might reach them in a million ways :P
[19:47] <KilosKid> Trust me, he wouldn't care.
[19:47] <magespawn> i think he means does it have a network port?
[19:47] <KilosKid> He doesn't care about anything but eating.
[19:47] <KilosKid> Yessss
[19:47] <KilosKid> It has two interwebz cable ports
[19:48] <inetpro> interesting that there are only two
[19:48] <magespawn> sure those are not phone cable ports?
[19:48] <magespawn> for the fax
[19:48] <nuvolari> a closeup pic could help? :P
[19:49] <magespawn> we are still talking about the printer
[19:49] <nuvolari> me too
[19:49] <nuvolari> sheesh, what are you thinking magespawn
[19:49] <nuvolari> *cough*
[19:49] <inetpro> KilosKid: when you have time you can read about a switch on wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_switch but for the moment don't just go out to buy one... it may not help you much for now
[19:50] <nuvolari> anyone here running analytics?
[19:50] <nuvolari> *google analytics
[19:51] <inetpro> nuvolari: I like blocking it with noscript
[19:51] <nuvolari> inetpro: oh, but I meant on the other side of the analytics :P being able to see the stats
[19:51] <inetpro> lol
[19:52] <inetpro> nuvolari: they look very impressive for managers
[19:52] <nuvolari> it keeps on 'killing' the browsers
[19:52] <nuvolari> both firefox and chrome
[19:53] <KilosKid> o.o
[19:54] <KilosKid> I dunno. They look the same. Could be phone, could be internet.
[19:54] <KilosKid> brb
[19:56] <inetpro> by the way KilosKid, I suggest the unregistered nick tarals for you, rather than KilosKid
[19:57] <inetpro> or go choose something else
[19:57] <inetpro> and then go register the address and set your irc client with that nick
[19:58] <inetpro> oops, register the nick*
[20:03] <magespawn> nuvolari: just making sure KilosKid and I are on the same page
[20:04] <magespawn> the lexmark spec sheet says the network ports are optional on that model
[20:08] <KilosKid> back
[20:08] <inetpro> KilosKid: sign the petition
[20:08] <inetpro> http://www.petitiononline.com/YALB1975/petition.html
[20:08] <KilosKid> What petition?
[20:09] <KilosKid> Oyes.
[20:09] <inetpro> To: All Printer Manufacturers not supporting the Linux Operating System
[20:13] <nuvolari> meh. bed is calling
[20:13] <nuvolari> 'night
[20:14] <KilosKid> Night, nuvolari.
[20:15] <magespawn> night nuvolari
[20:18] <KilosKid> I guess I may have to buy a new printer/scanner if I want to keep using Ubuntu, huh?
[20:20] <KilosKid> So I read about the "Spectrum Tools", but I'm still a little confused as to what it does.
[20:27] <magespawn> never heard of them
[20:29] <TaraKilos> Okay, well...
[20:29] <magespawn> TaraKilos: do you have a nick you prefer?
[20:29] <TaraKilos> Printer issue is just gonna have to wait
[20:29] <TaraKilos> I don't care what my nick is. People just keep telling me to change it :P
[20:31] <magespawn> not sure why inetpro said that, but it is a good idea to register the one you like, then only you can use it
[20:33] <inetpro> TaraKilos: it just makes life easier if your name is not so similar to that of kilos
[20:33] <TaraKilos> Okay. One moment.
[20:36] <zeref> hmmmmmmmmmmm
[20:36] <inetpro> TaraLS: great!
[20:36] <inetpro> when I respond to you I just type ta and press tab and it will complete the nick for me for TaraLS
[20:36] <inetpro> if your nick is KilosKid the the completion can get confusing very quickly
[20:36] <TaraLS> Yep, I got it.
[20:36] <TaraLS> But.
[20:36] <TaraLS> There's a NickServ thingy..
[20:37] <TaraLS> msg NickServ set email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:37] <TaraLS> With a slash
[20:37] <TaraLS> Hooow do I use that? O.o
[20:37] <inetpro> you don't
[20:37] <TaraLS> That's how it says to register your name, though.
[20:37] <inetpro> it's for when the freenode guys have to contact you
[20:37] <inetpro> well, hang on
[20:37] <TaraLS> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XChatHowto
[20:37] <TaraLS> Hm
[20:38] <inetpro> TaraLS: read this: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#registering
[20:41] <TaraLS> So I use : /msg NickServ REGISTER password<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:41] <TaraLS> ?
[20:41] <inetpro> yep
[20:42] <inetpro> well, Replace password with a secure, unguessable password that you keep secret.
[20:42]  * inetpro stating the obvious
[20:42] <magespawn> no password is unguessable
[20:43] <magespawn> or rather un workable outable
[20:43] <inetpro> magespawn: uh
[20:43] <TaraLS> There we are.
[20:43] <TaraLS> I registered TaraLS
[20:43] <inetpro> cool, nice job
[20:43] <magespawn> hows that for mangling the english language
[20:43] <TaraLS> rofl
[20:43] <inetpro> now next time we can actually focus on the real problems :-)
[20:44] <TaraLS> Okay, so, seems like the printer issue is probably not fixable...
[20:44] <TaraLS> So next potentially fixable problem!
[20:44] <TaraLS> My speakers.
[20:44] <TaraLS> Only two play sound. When I had XP, all of them played sound.
[20:44] <TaraLS> I did have to download a soundblaster thingy thouh.
[20:44] <TaraLS> though*
[20:44] <magespawn> guessing implies randomness, workable outable means actually running through every combination
[20:44] <TaraLS> I selected in sound management to play through 5.1 channels
[20:44] <inetpro> superfly: you where saying about the speakers?
[20:44] <TaraLS> But it didn't make a difference
[20:45] <superfly> *were
[20:45] <superfly> just checking that they were plugged into the right sockets
[20:45] <inetpro> oops, right
[20:45] <TaraLS> Yeah. Mine definitely are. I'm not -that- computer-dense. :P
[20:45] <superfly> I don't really know much about setting up 5.1 sound unfortunately, I suffer with my monitor speakers
[20:45] <TaraLS> lol
[20:45] <magespawn> is it an add on sound card TaraLS?
[20:46] <TaraLS> Ummm
[20:46] <TaraLS> It doesn't look like it.
[20:46] <magespawn> then maybe check the mb manufacturers site
[20:47] <inetpro> TaraLS: what software are you using to play your music? Just for interest sake...
[20:47] <TaraLS> I'm using the default Rhythmbox. I used VLC once, though, and the sound didn't really change.
[20:47] <TaraLS> Lemme double check
[20:49] <inetpro> maybe we should ask jono in the #ubuntu-community-team about this when he is available that is
[20:49] <inetpro> I know he is a music guru of sorts
[20:49] <inetpro> and he will definitely know other experts in the field
[20:50] <TaraLS> Yeah, it plays through only two channels when in Rhythmbox and VLC
[20:50] <TaraLS> Ooh
[20:51] <inetpro> I have seen some very nifty music software on linux
[20:51] <inetpro> and if I remember correctly even superfly has suggested some fancy stuffs
[20:52] <superfly> Ardour is very fancy... rivals most of the commercial solutions
[20:53] <TaraLS> Ardour doesn't have confidence-building reviews, though
[20:54] <TaraLS> Besides, I'm not talking about recording software anyhoo. Just want to get all my speakers working.
[20:54] <inetpro> lol
[20:55] <inetpro> well I sure hope that we'll be able to get you there
[20:56] <magespawn> i am off to bed, night all
[20:58] <inetpro> TaraLS: btw, you should not believe all the reviews that you read, many of them are written by peeps with hidden agendas... best to try things for yourself
[20:58] <inetpro> magespawn: good night
[20:58] <TaraLS> I'm just paranoid about getting things that might mess up the computer.
[20:58] <TaraLS> I've had months and months of PC problems.
[20:58] <TaraLS> magespawn: Night. :)
[20:59] <inetpro> well you have done well to get here
[21:00] <inetpro> we don't charge you an arm and a leg in here
[21:00] <inetpro> all we need is patience
[21:01] <inetpro> bye vin[tab]
[21:02] <TaraLS> Well I've got plenty of patience. lol
[21:02] <inetpro> lol
[21:02] <TaraLS> My tablet's probably not gonna work either, huh? :(
[21:02] <inetpro> TaraLS: I'll talk to jono when I see him
[21:03] <TaraLS> inetpro, thanks much.
[21:04] <inetpro> or you could try contact him yourself
[21:04] <inetpro> his blog is at http://www.jonobacon.org/
[21:05] <inetpro> a real nice approachable guy
[21:05] <inetpro> though I have not met him in person
[21:05] <superfly> TaraLS: this is Ubuntu/Linux, unless you wildly install software not available in Software Centre, you won't mess up your computer
[21:06] <inetpro> not easily at least
[21:08] <TaraLS> Okay.
[21:08] <TaraLS> Well a program like that would make my comp freeze anyway. :P
[21:08] <TaraLS> I have to sort out this freezing issue first.
[21:09] <inetpro> TaraLS: I agree
[21:09] <inetpro> seems like a real buggy hardware issue anyway
[21:10] <TaraLS> Yeah
[21:10] <TaraLS> I did the stresslinux test
[21:11] <TaraLS> It didn't show me anything by way of fail or success
[21:11] <TaraLS> And the CDROM was quiet for about an hour
[21:11] <TaraLS> With nothing happening, so I just stopped it.
[21:12] <inetpro> hmm
[21:23] <inetpro> yikes! where did the time go?
[21:23] <inetpro> TaraLS: please hold the fort for us
[21:24] <TaraLS> Okeydoke. O.o
[21:24] <inetpro> good night
[21:26] <TaraLS> Is MAC the same as Linux?
[21:26] <TaraLS> Or is MAC its own OS?
[21:34] <zeref> hurrrmmmm
[21:35] <zeref> Mac is "based" on BSD
[21:35] <TaraLS> What's BSD?
[21:35] <zeref> but Apple have made so many changes to the kernel
[21:35] <TaraLS> Reason I ask is because GIMP is in Ubuntu, and I wanted to get GIMPshop, the one that is GIMP but looks like Photoshop.
[21:35] <zeref> that you could say its not BSD
[21:35] <TaraLS> But it only has "Windows" or "Mac" download.
[21:36] <zeref> www.bsd.org
[21:36] <zeref> heeehhhh
[21:37] <zeref> sudo apt-get install gimp?
[21:39] <zeref> TaraLS: Gimp will be all you need
[21:40] <zeref> unless you use it profenssionally
[21:40] <zeref> is that how you spell it?
[21:47] <TaraLS> I just wanted GIMPShop because it has the Photoshop interface
[21:47] <TaraLS> Which I prefer.
[21:47] <TaraLS> professionally?
[21:47] <TaraLS> I think
[21:51] <superfly> TaraLS: Well, GIMP these days looks and acts more like PS, and I think that GIMPShop is not really maintained much... certainly not on Linux. On top of that, I think you can install PhotoShop keybindings into GIMP
[21:51] <TaraLS> What's a keybinding?
[21:55] <superfly> TaraLS: the shortcuts keys are configurable
[21:56] <superfly> so a set of shortcuts is sometimes called a keybinding
[21:57] <TaraLS> Oh. I don't even use shortcut keys.
[22:27] <TaraLS> Hey guys
[22:27] <TaraLS> Can I just use my CDROM to install my Genius tablet?
[22:35] <zeref> o0o0o0
[22:35] <zeref> what do you mean?
[22:53] <TaraLS> What do you mean what do I mean?
[22:53] <TaraLS> I have a tablet and it came with an installation CD.
[22:53] <TaraLS> Can I use that CD on Ubuntu to install the tablet driver?
[22:57] <superfly> No, that only has the Windows driver. Check in your system settings to see if you can configure your tablet in the same place you configure your mouse.
[22:57] <superfly> I don't use Ubuntu (I use its cousin Kubuntu) so I can't tell you exactly where to find the configuration window, just that there should be one somewhere.
[22:58]  * superfly goes to bed
[23:00] <TaraLS> Okeydokey
[23:01] <TaraLS> superfly: Niiight, Supahflahhh.
[23:06] <TaraLS> I found a way to install a printer
[23:06] <TaraLS> And I selected Lexmark
[23:06] <TaraLS> But it doesn't have my model there.
[23:06] <TaraLS> Go figure.
[23:06] <TaraLS> HEAPS of others, but not mine.
[23:06]  * TaraLS pulls hair out.
[23:16] <KilosKid> Comp froze.
[23:16] <KilosKid> And bah. It says, "TaraLS already in use."


[00:26] <distressed> having hard time deleting kubuntu
[00:26] <distressed> any help??
[00:51] <m477> should I install on 14.04 XBMC Media Center as a basic media codec?
[00:52] <valorie> I don't understand your question, m4
[00:53] <valorie> oops, m477
[00:53] <valorie> the media center is a suite of applications
[00:53] <valorie> codecs are for various media formats, and probably `kubuntu-restricted-extras` is what you need
[00:57] <m477> valorie: thanks for fast answer, but may I ask why just this one>
[01:02] <m477> addons also are useful to install?
[01:04] <valorie> not sure
[01:04] <valorie> what's in it?
[01:04] <valorie> !info kubuntu-restricted-addons
[01:05] <valorie> well pff, that is no info
[01:05] <m477> yes I meant it
[01:06] <valorie> muon will show you what's in the package so you can decide
[01:06] <valorie> sorry, gotta go afk again
[03:27] <Roguehorse> Hello
[03:30] <Roguehorse> When I start my computer in the morning I get this 20 x 30 pixel blob in the middle of the screen that says it's the plasma desktop in the tray - I'm not sure why this is starting
[03:30] <Roguehorse> Has anyone else reported anything like this?
[03:46] <noaXess> morning
[03:46] <noaXess> in 13.10 dolphin, if i moved over/marked a image i saw the dimensions of it.. now in 14.04 it's gone... any hint to reenable it?
[05:12] <ztane> hi, I had setup autologin in KDE in 1304 already; now after some updates to trusty, I cannot get X session start at all, only get a message box about "/usr/bin/startkde -- not default session" and nothing is started, cannot see the whole message and so, any ideas on how to fix?
[05:14] <ztane> maybe just lightdm.conf changes;
[05:14] <ztane> no need to have autologin anymore
[05:16] <ztane> hmm got the greeter screen, but it is the ubuntu default, not the kde greeter anymore
[05:17] <ztane> hmm it says "unable to find /usr/bin/startkde", wtf?
[05:22] <ztane> ahhh
[05:22] <ztane> I have not installed kubuntu-desktop in full I gues
[05:22] <ztane> *guess
[05:57] <bseekins> Hello
[07:16] <Guest54403> how do u change ur nick name
[07:26] <valorie> !info phonon-backend-vlc
[07:58] <lodrino> Buenos dias. perdonen si molesto. no habo muy bien Ingles. hay halguien que habla español?
[07:59] <lodrino> Español
[08:00] <Unit193> !es
[08:01] <lodrino> muchas gracias ubottu.
[08:02] <lodrino> yo buscaba en Kubuntu porque uso Kubuntu y tengo un problema y no estoy seguro que en ubuntu-es me puedan ayudar
[08:07] <hateball> !en
[08:09] <lodrino> muchas gracias
[08:36] <dragonfly> i am trying to install kubuntu 14.04 dual boot with windows 7 . currently i have ubuntu 12.04 with windows 7, how do i upgrade ubuntu 12.04 to kubuntu 14.04 keeping windows intact? when i tried installing using bootable usb, and chose first option guided... it says it will install a separate partition.. please help..
[08:39] <tanay111_> chose the last option  in installer menu...and chose the partion you want to install.....
[08:40] <dragonfly> tanay111_:  but it says that it will install on entire hardisk.
[08:41] <dragonfly> i cant see any windows partition in the after install graph
[08:41] <dragonfly> tanay111_: kubuntu covers every thing using every other option except the first one
[08:46] <tanay111_> i think you cant upgrade it to 14.04 from 12.04 directly.
[08:46] <tanay111_> dragonfly
[08:48] <tanay111_> from installer menu chose "Something else"..
[09:07] <hateball> oh the dragonfly is gone
[09:07] <hateball> why wouldnt they just upgrade from within the installation I wonder
[09:11] <yossarianuk> I just don't understand how anyone can actually use unity - why is kubuntu so low on distrowatch.org....
[09:11] <hateball> tanay111_: you can upgrade, altho not using regular release-upgrade until 14.04.1
[09:11] <yossarianuk> cinnamon is ok - but its like a students cobbled it together in their spare time.
[09:12] <tanay111_> hmm
[09:37] <shadeslayer> yossarianuk: distrowatch is not a good measure of Kubuntu's popularity
[09:37] <shadeslayer> or for that matter, any distro's popularity IMHO
[10:10] <apapapa> how do i set system wide proxy settings, i have put them manually in proxy system settings with http proxy ip and port, but still i am unable to access net from konsole, i am able to access internet using same proxy setting for browser though
[10:33] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:13] <rcw2> had issues with kde parted, it aborted grow operations on two partitions.  suggestions?
[12:13] <rcw2> also, sometimes there is no sound throughout the system afaik
[12:16] <BluesKaj> rcw2, use gparted live cd/media to do your partitioning it's safer and more effective
[12:18] <rcw2> oh
[12:18] <rcw2> ?
[12:19] <BluesKaj> that's been my experience
[12:21] <rcw2> any thoughts on the sound issue?
[12:21] <rcw2> can i reset the drivers somehow
[12:21] <rcw2> without rebooting
[12:22] <BluesKaj> what's your audio chip in alsamixer?
[12:23] <rcw2> no-show
[12:23] <BluesKaj> upper left
[12:23] <rcw2> there's some issue, saying 'dummy output'
[12:24] <BluesKaj> in alsamixer
[12:24] <rcw2> gnome alsamixer is blank
[12:24] <rcw2> nothing showing
[12:24] <BluesKaj> why gnome alsamixer?\
[12:25] <rcw2> BluesKaj, didn't find a kde one
[12:25] <BluesKaj> run aplay -l , pastebin it
[12:26] <BluesKaj> rcw2, the kde alsamixer is default on kubuntu-desktop
[12:27] <rcw2> maybe theres a software conflict then http://pastebin.com/9r8uu6Yq
[12:27] <rcw2> you think?
[12:27] <BluesKaj> if you're still running gnome/ubuntu then #ubuntu is the place toi ask
[12:28] <rcw2> its kubuntu
[12:30] <rcw2> strange, muon is not allowing me to remove some packages
[12:32] <BluesKaj> rcw2, then remove gnome-alsamixer, and then run, sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel , there will be no output if the driver loads proiperly. Then run, sudo alsa force-reload, if you want to reboot, but there's no guarantee that last command will stick
[12:33] <rcw2> i think there might be a bug in kubuntu similar to this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qapt/+bug/833058
[12:33] <BluesKaj> if you don't want to reboot
[12:34] <BluesKaj> rcw2, use sudo apt-get remove gnome-alsamixer in the terminal
[12:34] <hateball> rcw2: I have that bug, with regards to muon. So do it with apt-get instead
[12:37] <chgonzalez> hi there
[12:37] <chgonzalez> i have a problem with kubuntu 14.04
[12:37] <chgonzalez> i've installed plasma active from repos
[12:38] <rcw2> hateball, thanks for mentioning
[12:38] <chgonzalez> and since then i can't use plasma-nm
[12:38] <rcw2> BluesKaj, ok, doing that
[12:38] <chgonzalez> and i've lost desktop notifications
[12:38] <chgonzalez> running plasma-desktop from konsole i see this message:
[12:39] <chgonzalez> Type NotificationDelegate unavailable
[12:39] <chgonzalez> i've tried removing plasma-active packages and reinstalling all plasma related packages
[12:40] <BluesKaj> chgonzalez, try reinstalling kubuntu-desktop
[12:41] <chgonzalez> BluesKaj, i already do that
[12:43] <reaper> can some one help me my ktorrent is not working
[12:43] <hateball> !details | reaper
[12:45] <reaper> it dos not pick it up the ktorrent
[12:47] <reaper> i tryed dowloading transmishion but its the same fire fox dos not pick it up
[12:48] <BluesKaj> reaper, are you choosing the magnetic link or regular torrent file?
[12:50] <BluesKaj> reaper, check the downloads arrow on firefox, you may have click on it to enable the torrentfile in ktorrent
[12:51] <BluesKaj> especially if you use kickasstorrents site
[12:53] <reaper> how do i do that
[12:56] <BluesKaj> do you see the arrow pointing down on the right hand side of the menubar in FF?, that's the downloads library, open it to see if the torentfile is located there
[12:57] <reaper> no its not
[13:00] <BluesKaj> when you choose a torrent, does a dialog box open asking what to do with the file ?
[13:01] <reaper> yes it dos but ktorrent is not there
[13:01] <BluesKaj> do you get an option "open with" ?
[13:02] <reaper> yes but makes me look for the file
[13:03] <BluesKaj> then look for ktorrent in usr then bin , or /usr/bin/ktorrent
[13:03] <BluesKaj> ok got errands to run ...BBL
[13:07] <reaper> that woked thanks
[13:16] <reaper> any one now whats the beast kde op system
[13:19] <BluesKaj> reaper, what kind of question is that in the kubuntu chat, the answer is kubuntu of course
[13:20] <alvin> I thought the answer was "a dragon" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konqi)
[13:22] <BluesKaj> alvin, I think he meant operating system
[13:39] <rcw2> how's grub restored in kubuntu 14.04
[13:40] <hateball> !restoregrub
[13:40] <BluesKaj> what did you do to grub?
[13:41] <rcw2> my root is /sda5, so do i run grub-install /dev/sda5
[13:41] <rcw2> or grub-install /dev/sda
[13:41] <rcw2> BluesKaj, this happened during the kparted issue i might have explained earlier
[13:42] <BluesKaj> then run sudo update-grub
[13:43] <rcw2> rebooting to test
[13:45] <hateball> Hmmm, when I cut/paste files through redirected drives in krdc in 14.04 it sometimes... does not copy the files, but it deletes them anyhow
[13:45] <hateball> That's not really a nice behavior
[13:52] <rcw2> BluesKaj, no, grub still doesn't show up.  i see Realtec PCI media error and then some PXE info
[13:52] <rcw2> but i can boot from bash1 menu restore cd
[13:53] <alin_> hello
[13:53] <rcw2> its not recognizing the harddrive as bootable?
[13:58] <hateball> you have to set the partition that has grub, to bootable
[13:58] <hateball> easy to miss if you are fiddling about with gparted
[14:00] <BluesKaj> rcw2, do you have a live cd OS? , if so use that to open a terminal and run sudo grub-install /dev/sdX , X being like /dev/sda or some such
[14:00] <rcw2> BluesKaj, not 14.04 only 13.10 on hand
[14:01] <BluesKaj> rcw2, no matter it will work
[14:03] <rcw2> will try
[14:15] <rcw2> BluesKaj, can't i run that now
[14:16] <rcw2> grub-install
[14:16] <BluesKaj> on live cd?
[14:16] <BluesKaj> in the terminal
[14:17] <rcw2> im in my normal OS, but as root, not user
[14:17] <rcw2> but i see this grub-install: warning: File system `ext2' doesn't support embedding.
[14:17] <BluesKaj> nope you can't run grub on a disk that's in use
[14:18] <BluesKaj> youi have to run it in the terminal on a livecd
[14:19] <rcw2> ah
[14:23] <BluesKaj> or grub install at least, you can update-grub from the hdd , but install
[14:23] <BluesKaj> not install
[14:23] <rcw2> yeah, update-brug didn't work
[14:24] <rcw2> from the hd
[14:24] <rcw2> hdd
[14:24] <BluesKaj> rcw2, that's because yopu lost grub when you were repartitioning
[14:31] <rberg_> "nope you can't run grub on a disk that's in use" wait what? that cant be right
[14:33] <BluesKaj> rberg_, I qualified it with "install grub" if you read on
[14:33] <rberg_> so you cant install grub on a disk thats in use?
[14:33] <BluesKaj> you can run update-grub, but not grub-n=install
[14:34] <BluesKaj> grub-install
[14:34] <rberg_> you can definitively reinstall the grub bootloader on a booted system
[14:39] <BluesKaj> from a separate partition running a different OS
[14:41] <BluesKaj> rberg_, perhaps you could tell us the method then, since your'e so definitive about it
[14:42] <rberg_> sure.. so you are booted into the system directly and need to reinstall the bootloader?  and this is a msdos partition table or gpt with a grub-bios area?
[14:44] <rberg_> also I dont know anything about working with other OS's.. so if you have windowds installed dont do this.. to install grub to sda you would run just ' grub install /dev/sda'
[14:44] <rberg_> err ' grub-install /dev/sda'
[14:44] <rberg_> with /boot mounted
[14:45] <BluesKaj> dunno since he repartitioned and lost grub, so I advised him to run grub-install from a terminal on his live-cd
[14:46] <rberg_> ohh is {s,}he booted to a live cd?
[14:46] <BluesKaj> grub-install /dev/sdX , X being the partiton that grub was previously located
[14:48] <rberg_> fwiw I just reinstalled grub on the system I am typing on "sudo grub-install /dev/sda" "Installation finished. No error reported."
[14:49] <BluesKaj> rberg_, where would run grub-install from on a booted OS that doesn't have a grub installation, other than a live cd/media or a separate OS on the same HDD
[14:51] <BluesKaj> rberg_, fine if you're already booted into an OS that had grub installed when you booted
[14:51] <rberg_> ohh I thought you were booted already.. my mistake.. you can boot another linux os and chroot in the one you want to boot
[14:52] <rberg_> you will have to bind mount proc sys and dev before chrooting
[14:53] <BluesKaj> no, that's why he needs the livecd , well it amounts to the same thing , only more complicated using the chroot method
[14:55] <BluesKaj> then there's boot-repair which also works quite well
[14:57] <rberg_> ahh never used that.. I should check it out
[14:58] <BluesKaj> B-R saved my setup a few times already
[14:59] <rberg_> I have a pxe / nfsroot setup over here.. so not totally typical
[15:02] <BluesKaj> as long as you know where grub was installed, then most likely the livecd with terminal will reinstall grub easily enough
[15:02] <rcw2> BluesKaj, ?
[15:03] <rcw2> sorry, i tried that but it gave an error about being impossible :o
[15:03] <rcw2> something about /boot/...
[15:04] <BluesKaj> something about doesn't help me
[15:04] <BluesKaj> rcw2, what did you repartition and for what reason , we need more details
[15:05] <rcw2> BluesKaj, i have sda2 which contains sda5 (root) and sda6(home).  i was just trying to grow both sda5 and 6, but got errors, then grub menu was gone
[15:06] <rcw2> i also deleted a couple other older installations that were on sda2 under different partitions
[15:06] <BluesKaj> rcw2, do you have windows installed anywhgere on theat drive?
[15:06] <rcw2> BluesKaj, i did, but i just deleted that partition
[15:06] <rcw2> as well
[15:07] <rberg_> any more info about the errors you got while growing the partitions?
[15:08] <rcw2> rberg_, just generic kparted had errors...
[15:08] <BluesKaj> thengrub got wiped out with the windows delete, most likely anyway
[15:09] <rcw2> BluesKaj, hm, well given the info i gave you, where should the boot flag be, on sda2 or sda5?
[15:10] <rcw2> and do you have more suggestions for restoring grub
[15:10] <BluesKaj> just sda
[15:11] <BluesKaj> get your partitons fixed first if you can, using gparted live cd, that's the best method IME
[15:11] <rcw2> fixed?
[15:13] <rcw2> what is wrong with them?
[15:13] <BluesKaj> do you have them allocated etc and resized to your staisfaction before installing grub
[15:13] <BluesKaj> satisfaction
[15:16] <rcw2> BluesKaj, no, but i am dd'ing backups right now before i do that
[15:17] <rcw2> do you think you will be around a bit?
[15:17] <rcw2> a bit longer
[15:22] <rcw2> can i dd while using the partition
[15:22] <rcw2> the source partition
[15:23] <BluesKaj> rcw2, http://www.forensicfocus.com/linux-dd-basics
[15:27] <BluesKaj> BBL
[15:35] <rcw2> Path ‘/boot/grub...’ is not readable by GRUB on boot. Installation is impossible. Aborting.
[15:38] <rberg_> is /boot mounted?
[15:41] <rcw2> im trying update-grub method now, when i run update-grub -o what should i name the output file
[15:41] <rcw2> rberg_
[15:42] <rcw2> grub.cfg?
[15:43] <rberg_> usually you run update-grub without arguments..
[15:43] <rcw2> yeah but that didn't work last time
[16:06] <lb> nickserv bill
[16:06] <Guest522> hello
[16:24] <rcw2> hi, it seems like windows was originally installed, then kubuntu added... the main partition is shown as msdos.
[16:25] <rcw2> shouldn't matter though, right? how can i get grub going again
[16:28] <rcw2> im in live cd and ive mounted the root drive and run grub-install there, but it says Path `/boot/grub' is not readable by GRUB on boot. Installation is impossible. Aborting.
[16:32] <BluesKaj> wrong path rcw2 , delete that /boot partition, then make it an ext and install grub to it's new device name
[16:34] <rcw2> delete /boot on sda5?
[16:34] <rcw2> delete the entire partition?
[16:34] <rcw2> or directory?
[16:35] <BluesKaj> why do you have a boot partition, there's no need
[16:35] <rcw2> ok, i copied over the partition
[16:35] <rcw2> how do i start up from there
[16:36] <BluesKaj> copied ?
[16:36] <rcw2> with dd
[16:36] <BluesKaj> why?
[16:37] <BluesKaj> you don't need a boot partition
[16:37] <rcw2> well at first to have a backup but to start over outside the boot partition
[16:37] <BluesKaj> no boot backup needed
[16:38] <rcw2> how do i skip the boot partition
[16:38] <rcw2> or must i delete it
[16:38] <BluesKaj> delete it then reallocte it as an ext partition
[16:40] <rcw2> can i just remove the /boot from fstab and not delete it
[16:41] <BluesKaj> well you have enough information now to make a decision on your own
[16:42] <BluesKaj> I'm finished with suggestions
[16:50] <rcw2> BluesKaj: thanks for getting me this far
[16:51] <BluesKaj> stop fooling with partitions if you aren't familiar with it, ask for help before doing so...that's my advice
[16:53] <rcw2> that's what i want to do, stop modifying partitions and just have the machine go straight to the ext4 kubuntu partition, ignoring any windows bootloader if there still is any
[16:54] <BluesKaj> is this machne 3yrs old or less?
[16:54] <rcw2> yes
[16:54] <rcw2> but the harddrive may be older
[16:55] <BluesKaj> pastebin a screenshot of your partition table
[16:56] <BluesKaj> kmenu>system>partition manager
[17:00] <rcw2> http://ctrlv.in/341768
[17:01] <rcw2> is that readable?  the font looks a bit unclear on my machine
[17:03] <rcw2> here's a zoomin: http://ctrlv.in/341770
[17:05] <rcw2> BluesKaj: ^
[17:07] <BluesKaj> rcw2, as I suggested , run a livecd, open a terminal, sudo grub-install /dev/sda
[17:10] <BluesKaj> then run sudo update-grub
[17:11] <rcw2> BluesKaj: yes, i did that but i get the /boot/grub not readable error then you suggested i modify partitions.
[17:19] <BluesKaj> rcw2, do you have gparted live cd , you can fix the sda /boot partititon by using the check/repair option
[17:19] <rcw2> BluesKaj: yes, i used that to resize the drives.  any other info on check/repair before i boot into it?
[17:22] <BluesKaj> the reason is you used dd to backup the partition and i'm sure the sizes werent't exactly the same from if to of , therefore the check option on those partitions youi dd'd
[17:23] <rcw2> BluesKaj: so i might fix everything in gparted
[17:23] <rcw2> without doing anything else
[17:23] <BluesKaj> yes
[17:24] <rcw2> question on dd?  why would the partition sizes need to be exactly the same
[17:25] <lordievader> Because dd is a bitcopy utility.
[17:25] <rcw2> brb
[17:26] <BluesKaj> they are just copies atm , once they are rezised then they become actual partitions afaik
[17:27] <BluesKaj> her messed up his partitions, not researching first how to do it correctly , now he lost grub , but can't install it because he's getting boot errors
[17:28] <BluesKaj> he  messed
[17:28] <BluesKaj> lordievader,^
[17:29] <lordievader> Install it from a live-env.
[17:29] <lordievader> Grub, I mean.
[17:30] <BluesKaj> yup, that's what he was trying to do
[17:30] <lordievader> Ah check.
[17:31] <BluesKaj> the partititon table is messed up
[17:38] <lordievader> Oeh, that is less. I've had that once. There is not really a simple way of getting that back. Supposedly this is easier with GPT disk since the partition table is in two places.
[17:40] <BluesKaj> afraid he may have to sacrifice one of the logicals
[19:29] <TBotNik> All, can not get movies to play on my kubuntu 12.04 LTS desktop.  Wrote this up at:  http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/ubuntu-linux/201626-video-player-2.html#post951814
[19:30] <TBotNik> All, hope someone out here know how to unravel all the player/codec issues, cause never tried any AV stuff before!
[20:38] <bprompt> TBotNik:    install     mplayer for one  and also install   ffmpeg and libavcodec
[20:39] <bprompt> I think that'd include all or most codecs and any player using mplayer as their backengine will play the video
[21:51] <rcw2> didn't see a release date for 14.10 on the wikipedia page
[21:59] <rberg_> 14.10 is a date :)
[21:59] <rberg_> or most of a date
[22:23] <DarthFrog> October, 2014.
[22:23] <DarthFrog> Ususally in the 3rd week of the month, if I recall correctly.
[22:25] <genii> DarthFrog: ?
[22:25] <genii> Oh, release day, yes.
[22:26] <genii> Third Thursday of the month usually about 6pm GMT
[22:26] <DarthFrog> Correct.
[22:26] <DarthFrog> Which would be Oct. 20th this year.
[22:27] <genii> I'll have to remember to book the release party venue again :)
[22:28] <DarthFrog> No time like the present.  Do it, then it's done and off your plate.
[22:29] <genii> Yup, true. I'm actually headed there tonight to watch the hockey game, I'll take care of it then.
[22:30] <DarthFrog> Which game?
[22:30] <genii> Kings-Rangers Game 1
[22:31] <DarthFrog> I just reminded the wife about that, she responded, "Five o'clock and the PVR is set."  :-)
[22:35] <TBotNik> All, Repeating request!! Can not get movies to play on my kubuntu 12.04 LTS desktop.  Wrote this up at: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/ubuntu-linux/201626-video-player-2.html#post951814  All, hope someone out here knows how to unravel all the player/codec issues, cause never tried any AV stuff before!  Wilee-nilee, from the "#ubuntu" channel had me load the restricted extras with HOWTO at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats but loading
[22:35] <TBotNik> these has not changed the operation of any of my loaded players.  Still getting all the original errors!  Also "bprompt" from the "#kubuntu" channel suggested I do a fresh install of mplayer, ffmpeg and libavcodec so did so with cmd "apt-get -f install mplayer libxine1-ffmpeg gxine mencoder mpeg2dec vorbis-tools id3v2 mpg321 mpg123 libflac++6 ffmpeg totem-mozilla icedax tagtool easytag id3tool lame nautilus-script-audio-convert libmad0 libjpeg-progs flac
[22:35] <TBotNik> faac faad sox ffmpeg2theora libmpeg2-4 uudeview flac libmpeg3-1 mpeg3-utils mpegdemux liba52-0.7.4-dev libquicktime2".  I had to leave libavcodec off as it kept erroring with "not found", so do not have the right repository for this or it has been version superceded!
[22:35] <TheFakeazneD525> TBotNik: alright
[22:36] <TheFakeazneD525> I'm going to recommend you install phonon-vlc-backent
[22:36] <TheFakeazneD525> d
[22:36] <TheFakeazneD525> er
[22:36] <TheFakeazneD525> sudo apt-get install phonon-vlc-backend --install-suggests
[22:36] <TheFakeazneD525> then, configure Phonon to use VLC instead of GStreamer for backend
[22:40] <TBotNik> TheFakeazneD525: What is repository, getting "Unable to locate package phonon-vlc-backend
[22:40] <TheFakeazneD525> oh dear
[22:40] <TheFakeazneD525> one sec
[22:41] <TheFakeazneD525> TBotNik: oh, wait
[22:41] <TheFakeazneD525> sudo apt-get install phonon-backend-vlc --install-suggests
[22:41] <TheFakeazneD525> TBotNik: ^
[22:43] <TBotNik> TheFakeazneD525:  I found cmd "apt-get install gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3 gstreamer0.10-gnonlin gstreamer0.10-sdl gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly totem-plugins-extra gstreamer-dbus-media-service gstreamer-tools ubuntu-restricted-extras ttf-mscorefonts-installer" at:  http://debianhelp.wordpress.com/2012/11/10/to-do-list-after-installing-ubuntu-12-04-lts-aka-precise-pangolin/
[22:43] <TBotNik> Will that do the trick?
[22:43] <TheFakeazneD525> well, if you must use GStreamer, I suppose...
[22:43] <TheFakeazneD525> personally, I still recommend installing phonon-backend-vlc
[22:43] <TheFakeazneD525> as VLC can play nearly anything
[22:50] <TBotNik> TheFakeazneD525: I checked in synaptic and VLC was already install the the "phonon-backend-vlc" was listed so have it installing now.  I found a HOWTO at: https://wirejungle.wordpress.com/2010/08/10/switch-to-phonon-vlc-for-better-sound-in-kde/   Is this a good one to follow?
[22:51] <TheFakeazneD525> Er, I don't have the time ATM to read it, but I have a quick guide...
[22:53] <TheFakeazneD525> Open system settings, then click multimedia, then audio and video settings, and finally, click the "Backend" Tab
[22:53] <TheFakeazneD525> then, prefer the VLC backend
[22:56] <el_le> i recently installed an nvidia card + the drivers from their website. I installed kde-full on ubuntu, and it's freezing up when loading. which logs should i be looking at?
[22:56] <TBotNik> TheFakeazneD525: Hey phonon installed so I went to:  'KDE Start' + 'Settings' + 'System Settings' + 'Hardware' + 'Multimedia' + 'Audio and Video Settings' and when I click the 'Backend' tab only GStreamer is available and there is not "ADD" option to bring in VLC!
[22:57] <TheFakeazneD525> odd
[22:57] <TBotNik> TheFakeazneD525: Any suggestions?
[22:57] <TheFakeazneD525> well, then follow that guide you found...
[22:57] <TheFakeazneD525> or try  running the command I posted
[22:57] <TheFakeazneD525> sudo apt-get install phonon-backend-vlc --install-suggests
[22:57] <TheFakeazneD525> in konsole
[23:00] <TBotNik> Ah, thought I already ran the command from synaptic, but did not!
[23:01] <TBotNik> Ah, thought I already ran the command from synaptic, but did not! Now I get "Latest version" when I run CLI
[23:01] <TBotNik> Reopening the Setting dialog
[23:03] <TBotNik> TheFakeazneD525: It was there now, but have to reboot, so will let you know if I make the round!
[23:58] <el_le> so any one have an idea why i can't use kde with nvidia drivers?
[23:59] <rcw2> using supergrubdisk.org i get to a prompt where i can type startx which starts my kubuntu as root.  are there options for startx to attempt to login as user


[00:00] <mjrosenb> any operation that matches '^apt-get remove.*libc' is probably a bad idea.
[00:01] <mjrosenb> uh-oh
[00:02] <mjrosenb> so installing libc6-armel-dbgsym failed because libc6:armel was already on the system
[00:02] <mjrosenb> but now apt is kind of stuck because it won't uninstall libc6:armel since another operation is pending
[00:03] <infinity> mjrosenb: Oh, didn't realise you had libc6:armel installed.  Whee.
[00:04] <infinity> mjrosenb: You should be able to just "dpkg -P libc6:armel" unless other things depend on it.
[00:04] <mjrosenb> infinity: yeah, armel programs ran just fine, but I couldn't debug them without the debug symbols.
[00:04] <mjrosenb> infinity: a few things do, I'll nuke them with apt after libc6-armel-dbgsym is installed
[00:04] <infinity> While I normally recommend multiarch as the way and the light, it doesn't make much sense for armhf/armel, since we dropped armel more recently.
[00:05] <mjrosenb> infinity: I'm assuming this repo also has a libstdc++-armel-debugsym as well?
[00:05] <mjrosenb> infinity: incredibly annoying is the fact that on arch linux, an armel binary will load just fine
[00:06] <mjrosenb> and run great, unless you happen to be making library calls involving floats.
[00:06] <infinity> Well, I assume arch isn't armhg.
[00:06] <infinity> armhf*
[00:06] <mjrosenb> infinity: it is only armhf.
[00:06] <infinity> Then I call bullshit on armel binaries running.
[00:06] <infinity> Unless they install a full multilib setup.
[00:06] <mjrosenb> anyhow.  dpkg failed because things depend on libc, I'm assuming I can just add those to the command line?
[00:06] <infinity> Which isn't "only armhf".
[00:07] <infinity> Or, you could not install libc6-armel, if you had things depending on libc6:armel
[00:08] <infinity> And instead install libc6-dbgsym:armel
[00:08]  * infinity shrugs.
[00:09] <duoi> wookey, is it hardware accelerated?
[00:13] <wookey> infinity: 'testing a new strain of superheroine' sounds entertaining
[00:14] <infinity> wookey: With or without the spelling error?
[00:14] <wookey> well, either I guess but with is more wholesome
[00:14] <infinity> That depends on the testing...
[00:15] <wookey> we'd better stop this before someone points out that our project is full of casual sexism and bans us :-/
[00:16] <infinity> wookey: I blame you.  I was all about the hard drugs before you came along.
[00:17] <wookey> I've been to the pub. I blame drugs too
[00:17] <wookey> And now I need to write my talk for paris debconf
[00:18] <infinity> In French?
[00:26] <wookey> no
[00:52] <mjrosenb> libhfstdc++6-4.6-dbg-armel-cross
[00:52] <mjrosenb> what.
[02:38] <mjrosenb> infinity: is there a similar package for libstdc++, since I had to remove libstdc++ when I pulled out the old libc :-/
[02:39] <infinity> mjrosenb: Erm, no.  Like I said up there, if you have a bunch of stuff depending on that libc, maybe removing it isn't the sanest option.,
[02:39] <infinity> mjrosenb: Though, really, why do you have so many armel binaries you care about?
[02:40] <mjrosenb> I have one.
[02:41] <mjrosenb> I'm debugging our javascript shell, and it is supposed to run on android, so in order to avoid the pain of debugging on android, I'm getting a linux enviroment as close as I can to android
[02:41] <mjrosenb> which is armel.
[02:41] <infinity> Might I suggest an armel chroot would be much less painful?
[02:41] <infinity> And perhaps a distro that still supports armel, like Debian.
[02:42] <infinity> debootstrap --arch=armel --variant=buildd sid my-sid-armel-chroot
[02:42] <mjrosenb> maybe I should just investigate installing debian fulltime on my boards :-/
[02:43] <mjrosenb> I installed ubuntu on here *shortly* before ubuntu made the switch to armhf.
[02:44] <mjrosenb> https://wiki.debian.org/PandaBoard
[02:44] <mjrosenb> hahah
[02:44] <mjrosenb> Install instructions
[02:44] <mjrosenb> missing
[02:45] <infinity> Yeah, you're better off running an Ubuntu base on a Pandaboard.
[02:45] <infinity> But chroots are how I do all my development, using the base system to muck around in is usually asking for trouble anyway.
[02:45] <infinity> So, a Debian armel chroot on an Ubuntu armhf base is perfectly reasonable.
[02:46] <mjrosenb> yeah. I did this on a tegra already
[02:46] <mjrosenb> but that machine is just a *royal* pain to work with.
[02:47] <mjrosenb> if I can set up sshd to run inside the chroot, I *probably* don't care
[02:47] <mjrosenb> although, I think the thing that I like the least about it is the set of things that randomly don't work in the chroot
[02:47] <mjrosenb> iirc, oprofile works outside of the chroot, not inside of it.
[02:48]  * mjrosenb tries a chroot on the pandaboard
[02:49] <infinity> There shouldn't be much of anything that doesn't work in the chroot, unless you miss mounting some filesystems.
[02:49] <infinity> (you'll want devpts, dev, sysfs, and proc)
[02:49] <mjrosenb> infinity: things that modprobe kernel modules are finnicky.
[02:49] <mjrosenb> since the host and target don't share the same kernel usually.
[02:49] <infinity> mjrosenb: Not if you install the same kernel deb in the chroot. ;)
[02:50] <infinity> mjrosenb: Or bindmount /lib/modules/$version into the chroot.
[02:50] <mjrosenb> yeah, I think one problem was it was a custom ubuntu from nvidia, and they had some packages that debian just did not know about.
[02:52] <mjrosenb> The program 'debootstrap' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[02:52] <mjrosenb> :-o
[02:52] <mjrosenb> I can't remember the last time I had to install debootstrap


[16:19] <jccgjw> test
[16:22] <ebarretto> worked
[16:33] <ahasenack> hi #security, apparmor question
[16:34] <ahasenack> I *think* that after I enabled these systemd isolation features in a service (https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/zdbwSXbSMQ/), I started getting the apparmor "failed name lookup - disconnected path" errors
[16:34] <ahasenack> I'm about to try removing some of those changes, but this test takes a long time to run, like 2h
[16:34] <ahasenack> and I wanted to get some input here before
[16:34] <ahasenack> maybe you can spot that it is true, and point me at which one of the changes in the systemd service file could trigger this error?
[16:35] <ahasenack> I'm thinking PrivateTmp, just because it's the only thing file-system related, but I don't really know
[16:35] <ahasenack> this was run inside a lxd container
[16:36] <ahasenack> this is also a weird one, name="apparmor/.null":
[16:36] <ahasenack> pparmor="DENIED" operation="getattr" class="file" info="Failed name lookup - disconnected path" error=-13 namespace="root//lxd-upro-behave-bionic-system-under-test-0311-181926277595_<var-snap-lxd-common-lxd>" profile="ubuntu_pro_esm_cache" name="apparmor/.null" pid=7519 comm="python3" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=1000000 ouid=0
[16:36] <ebarretto> georgiag ^
[16:39] <sdeziel> ahasenack: `PrivateTmp=` causes mount name spaces to be used which is what leads to those disconnected path errors, afaik
[16:40] <ahasenack> so it's a tradeoff: if using privatetmp, I have to use flags=(attach_disconnected) in the profile
[19:06] <sarnold> ahasenack: and the apparmor/.null bit is apparmor replacing the filedescriptor for the denied file with a new one, so that the process doesn't run with *no* filedescriptor where it expected one
[19:07] <sarnold> ahasenack: (a decade or two ago it was popular to run setuid programs without stdin or stdout or whatever and then hilarity ensues when they open() something for writing, and unrelated status output also goes to that file..)
[20:19] <ahasenack> sarnold: do you know if "flags=(attach_disconnected)" is propagated to child profiles?
[20:20] <sarnold> ahasenack: I don't know but I would guess it isn't
[20:20] <ahasenack> I'm thinking it's not, based on what I just saw in the logs of my test...
[20:20] <ahasenack> because I added the flag to the parent profile, and now the logs have the same error but all in child profiles
[20:20] <sarnold> heh that's what that sounds like


[12:48] <slyon> bdmurray: Did I see correctly that you're working on those proxy issues on bos01 ("Tunnel connection failed: 403 Forbidden")? I see the s390x autopkgtests for pandas vs lxml and xml2rfc vs lxml (and probably many more) failing for this same reason. FYI: I found an old bug report about it, added some infos to it and tagged it 'update-excuse'.
[12:50] <lool> Is there a rmadison equivalent to query source packages in a PPA?
[12:51] <lool> (without the PPA in sources.list)
[12:52] <slyon> bug #1758989
[13:46] <slyon> seb128: May I ask for your comment on bug #1982461 ?
[13:51] <seb128> slyon, yes, I've done so now
[13:52] <slyon> thank you very much!
[13:52] <seb128> np!
[13:53] <slyon> I can take care of the removal then
[14:15] <bdmurray> slyon: the proxy issues in bos01 should be resolved now and I saw some previous failures now passing
[14:16] <bdmurray> These https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/python-virtualenv/kinetic/s390x
[14:17] <slyon> Indeed, I can confirm that xml2rfc vs lxml passed (I retriggered that one after I read the email from IS that the issue should be resolved)
[14:17] <bdmurray> sweet
[14:18] <bdmurray> I'll go through and look for other 403 errors and retest them
[14:18] <slyon> thanks!
[14:26] <bdmurray> bluca: As noted above the proxy issues have been sorted
[14:28] <bluca> nice, thanks
[14:44] <tobhe> hey! I found that the arduino IDE crashes on start and traced the bug to Ubuntu defaulting to -Wl,--as-needed combined with a wrong linker argument order in listserialportsc. The bug report + my proposed fix is at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/arduino/+bug/1916278. Could anyone please help me get this in/sponsor?
[15:02] <bdmurray> tobhe: This doesn't look Ubuntu specific - do you know if it is?
[15:06] <tobhe> it kind of is since i think debian doesn't do -Wl,--as-needed by default so theirs works
[15:14] <Eickmeyer[m]> vorlon: Response from the digikam devs: It should detect ffmped5 during configure and automatically disable the video modules. (lul)
[15:14] <Eickmeyer[m]> *ffmpeg5
[15:18] <tobhe> bdmurray: It looks like the Makefile was added by the debian packager
[15:18] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ah, looks like we're overriding that.
[15:20] <bdmurray> tobhe: Ideally, and if possible, this change would land in the debian package so that we can continue to autosync it.
[15:21] <tobhe> ack, i will open a bug with the debian package
[15:23] <tobhe> Do you think it would still make sense to fix it in ubuntu first? IMO it would be nice if all the arduino tutorials out there didn't lead to a crashing IDE
[15:29] <bdmurray> tobhe: Yes, but I'd give upstream a wee bit of time to update the package. Having said that it does seems to have affected quite a few people so getting it fixed in Jammy would be good too.
[15:37] <bdmurray> where a wee bit is a week or so
[15:40] <tobhe> awesome, thanks for the help! I was also hoping to get it into jammy but was waiting for feedback on kinetic first.
[17:02] <bdmurray> Alright who submitted impish tests to autopkgtest?
[17:05] <Eickmeyer[m]> That sounds like a really bad practical joke.
[17:06] <bdmurray> sil2100: https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4574 this seems to be a culprit
[17:39] <Eickmeyer[m]> vorlon: I got a successful build of digikam on kinetic by removing "DENABLE_MEDIAPLAYER=ON" from d/rules. Would you like me to upload?
[17:40] <Eickmeyer[m]> The only issue is the video player is crippled.


 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/baa12908/file_1916.jpg
 @mitya57 I guess that is a similar problem to the previous ubiquity installer one?
[13:14] <mparillo> Image uploaded to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1916331
 Yes, the QVariant errors look very similar to the previous issue. (re @RikMills: @mitya57 I guess that is a similar problem to the previous ubiquity installer one?)
 Thanks. Just got to find where that is returned now. As it doesn't crash, not so easy. 🤔


[05:22] <acmeinc> anyone around?
[05:24] <acmeinc> im trying to find a dev release of 11.10 for testing...thx
[05:27] <acmeinc> also the background.png does not load on the web site...throwing that out there
[10:23] <astraljava> acmeinc: You can find the images @ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/daily/
[10:24] <astraljava> I have no idea about the state of its installability at this moment, though.
[15:48] <acmeinc> astraljava: thx, i'll try to install this tomorrow