[00:02] <robin_> Hi! Brand newbie to Linux, just arrived here, trying X-Chat for the first time. And bravely - or foolishly - testing Xubu 12.04 today!
[00:04] <robin_> is anyone here this evening?
[00:04] <pleia2> welcome robin_ :) thanks for testing!
[00:05] <pleia2> I ran some iso tests for installs on Sunday
[00:05] <robin_> I'm not sure I'll be much good as a tester, but I'd love to help! My Xubu has sent four "crash reports" in, so I hope that helps in some way
[00:06] <robin_> The installer balked on the first attempt, but went ahead on the second... updates failed this morning because my "/temp" folder was too full...
[00:06] <pleia2> a "good tester" is someone who uses it and reports bugs when they happen, so it sounds like you're well on your way :)
[00:07] <robin_> didn't know how to empty it, but opened it as root and deleted abuncha stuff to make room for the updates.
[00:07] <robin_> Oh, so the "automatic report" thingy is actually sending a bug report?
[00:08] <robin_> updates worked after that... is that a bug?
[00:08] <pleia2> I think so
[00:08] <pleia2> not sure if that's a bug, when you installed did you set up the partitions yourself, or just let it put everything together?
[00:09] <robin_> I inherited an old Dell with Xubu Lucid on it. The new installer offered an "upgrade," so I assume it left the existing partitions intact
[00:09] <pleia2> packages should end up in /var/cache/apt/archive/ and if /var fills up then you do end up having problems
[00:09] <pleia2> err archives/
[00:10] <pleia2> so that's probably what happened
[00:10] <robin_> "/" is 20 gb, "/swap" is 1 gig (twice my RAM), and "/home" has the rest of the drive.  Um, at least it WAS set up that way when it had Lucid
[00:11] <pleia2> so in that case /var would be in /, I could see that filling up
[00:11] <robin_> Okay, so when I emptied the trash and deleted all that stuff from /temp, did that really fix it or should I keep looking?
[00:12] <pleia2> robin_: if you go to System > System Monitor
[00:12] <pleia2> you can click on the "File Systems" tab and see how much space you have
[00:13] <pleia2> if "/" is a high percentage, you may run into problems in the future again
[00:13] <robin_> Um, I don't have a System icon... is it in the right-click menu?
[00:13] <pleia2> yeah, in the right click menu
[00:14] <pleia2> sorry
[00:15] <robin_> nope. LOL how do I find System Monitor from the right-click menu? Got abuncha leftover settings from the previous owner (set up on Xubu Lucid)
[00:16] <pleia2> do you have a "System" section of the right click menu?
[00:16] <pleia2> oh right, by default it's Right Click and then maybe Applications
[00:16] <robin_> scrolling all the way thru all the options, don't see system monitor among the choices
[00:16]  * pleia2 checks her other system
[00:16] <pleia2> yes, that's it
[00:17] <pleia2> right click, Applications > System > System Monitor
[00:17] <pleia2> (Applications should be at the bottom of the menu)
[00:18] <robin_> Right Click > Applications > System > synaptic, gigalo, other stuff listed, no system monitor
[00:18] <pleia2> huh, maybe it's something I installed somewhere along the way
[00:18] <pleia2> how about this, open a terminal and type: df -h
[00:18] <robin_> lol, I should open synaptic and look for "system monitor" then?
[00:18] <pleia2> nah, I was actually just suggesting to use that because it would be easier
[00:19] <pleia2> not easier if it's not installed!
[00:19] <robin_> robin@robin-Dell-DE051:~$ df -h
[00:19] <robin_> Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[00:19] <robin_> /dev/sda2        19G   18G  8.0K 100% /
[00:19] <robin_> udev            240M  4.0K  240M   1% /dev
[00:19] <robin_> tmpfs            99M  772K   99M   1% /run
[00:19] <robin_> none            5.0M     0  5.0M   0% /run/lock
[00:19] <robin_> none            247M   80K  247M   1% /run/shm
[00:19] <robin_> /dev/sda3        54G  1.8G   50G   4% /home
[00:19] <robin_> robin@robin-Dell-DE051:~$
[00:19] <pleia2> there's your trouble :(
[00:19] <pleia2> is completely full
[00:19] <pleia2> err /
[00:19] <robin_> omygoodness....
[00:20] <robin_> that's alot of stuff! what'll I do?
[00:20] <pleia2> you can look around your system and see if there are applications you don't want and uninstall them
[00:20] <pleia2> also do: sudo apt-get clean
[00:20] <pleia2> that will remove old packages that you downloaded (they are already installed, the package files are just hanging around)
[00:20] <robin_> AFTER I remove stuff I don't use, right?
[00:20] <pleia2> clean usually frees up a little space
[00:21] <pleia2> you can do it first, it doesn't uninstall anything
[00:21] <robin_> okay, here goes
[00:22] <robin_> robin@robin-Dell-DE051:~$ sudo apt-get clean
[00:22] <robin_> [sudo] password for robin:
[00:22] <robin_> robin@robin-Dell-DE051:~$
[00:22] <pleia2> now do df -h again
[00:22] <robin_> did it do anything? (I entered my password)
[00:22] <pleia2> see if it's still 100, or if Avail has changed anything
[00:22] <pleia2> yes, if it is quiet then it did it's job without err :)
[00:22] <robin_> robin@robin-Dell-DE051:~$ df -h
[00:22] <robin_> Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[00:22] <robin_> /dev/sda2        19G   18G  160M 100% /
[00:22] <robin_> udev            240M  4.0K  240M   1% /dev
[00:22] <robin_> tmpfs            99M  772K   99M   1% /run
[00:22] <robin_> none            5.0M     0  5.0M   0% /run/lock
[00:22] <robin_> none            247M   80K  247M   1% /run/shm
[00:22] <robin_> /dev/sda3        54G  1.8G   50G   4% /home
[00:22] <robin_> robin@robin-Dell-DE051:~$
[00:22] <pleia2> there, you went from 8.0K to 160M available
[00:23] <pleia2> which is a little space :)
[00:23] <robin_> gained a few there, lol
[00:23] <robin_> Got an 80-gb drive is all, too little for Xubu?
[00:24] <pleia2> my / is 12G which is on the small side
[00:24] <pleia2> you probably have a lot of applications installed, which is fine, but you may want a larger / partition if you want that
[00:24] <pleia2> your home directory has 54 gigs, and you're only use 2 of them
[00:24] <pleia2> so I'd resize home, and give some of that space to /
[00:25] <pleia2> (this can be done from a livecd just gparted)
[00:25] <pleia2> s/just/using
[00:25] <robin_> so i should change my partition scheme, make more room for Xubu then
[00:25] <pleia2> yeah
[00:26] <robin_> If I boot from the LiveCD, doesn't it make me reinstall Xubu from scratch again?
[00:26] <pleia2> you don't need to run the installer at all, you can just use the LiveCD to run the gparted application
[00:26] <robin_> Or do I "run" the LiveCD from an already-running Xubu session?
[00:27] <pleia2> I haven't actually done this with the graphical tools, looking up docs now
[00:28] <pleia2> but you would reboot your computer, and boot with the LiveCD in to "Try Xubuntu"
[00:28] <robin_> so I don't BOOT from the LiveCD, I just run it from say, the file manager. Is that correct?
[00:28] <robin_> sorry, lag
[00:28] <pleia2> oh wait, this is harder than I thought
[00:28] <pleia2> I forgot that I use LVM, so all this is easy
[00:29] <robin_> lol it's great that you're helping me!
[00:29] <robin_> a newbie has no business testing anywayz, lol
[00:29] <pleia2> oh no, we need newbies testing!
[00:30] <robin_> OH! Wow, really!?!?
[00:30] <pleia2> instead of doing all this, I'd just uninstall applications you don't use and try to get by with the existing partitions
[00:30] <pleia2> if you ever want to back up your data and reinstall, I'd put everything into one partition (rather than having a separate /home)
[00:31] <robin_> omygosh... i was thinking of throwing LibreOffice on
[00:31] <robin_> for school I need more than just the Abiword and Gnumeric
[00:31]  * pleia2 nods
[00:31] <pleia2> you say this came with lucid?
[00:31] <robin_> yes ma'am or sir
[00:31] <pleia2> 20G was more back in the lucid days :) but that's 4 years ago now
[00:31] <robin_> it's really old... a hand-me-down
[00:31] <pleia2> (and ma'am, thank you :))
[00:32] <robin_> how much space is good for Xubu in "/" partition now?
[00:32] <pleia2> on my newly installed laptop I gave the whole disk except for swap to /
[00:33] <pleia2> no /home partition at all
[00:33] <pleia2> so I don't need to worry about one partition having more space than another and wasting it
[00:33] <robin_> doesn't that prevent me from saving stuff when the next version comes out?
[00:33] <pleia2> reinstalls (rather than upgrading) with the CD is the main reason for a separate /home that I hear people use
[00:34] <pleia2> but I just upgrade
[00:34] <pleia2> no CD, when the box pops up to tell me a new version is out, I upgrade :)
[00:34] <robin_> Might just give Xubu the whole drive... how much swap should I set aside? It's an old dinosaur, 512 of RAM
[00:34] <pleia2> 1G is good
[00:35] <robin_> okay, if I reinstall I'll lose abunch stuff tho, right? Unless I back up? Or can I use G-parted to just give Xubu all but 1 gig of swap?
[00:36] <robin_> not very clear was I... If I resize the existing partitions with the LiveCD, will I lose data?
[00:36] <pleia2> yeah, a reinstall would wipe your whole system
[00:36] <pleia2> it's tricky to resize partitions
[00:37] <robin_> eewwww... too geeky for me, lol
[00:37] <pleia2> hehe
[00:38] <robin_> so much of what I've read in the forums suggests a separate /data partition or a separate /home one
[00:39] <pleia2> yeah, and you can reinstall with a separate /home, but since you're only using 2G of the 54G, maybe a smaller /home :)
[00:39] <pleia2> do you have a /data ?
[00:39] <robin_> Is it possible to resize without reinstalling?
[00:39] <robin_> Nope... I have "/", "swap" and "/"
[00:39] <pleia2> yeah, it's posible
[00:39] <robin_> too geeky for a newbie?
[00:39] <pleia2> not a /data partition, but a /data directory (where do you put your music and stuff?)
[00:40] <robin_> um, it's in "Robin / Music
[00:40] <pleia2> ah ok, so probably in your home directory
[00:40] <pleia2> I actually need to run out
[00:40] <robin_> Thanks for being so nice!!
[00:41] <robin_> I'll expand my geek skillz, lol
[00:41] <pleia2> you're welcome
[00:42] <robin_> G'night, then, I'll try it tomorrow after school. Thanks!!
[10:09] <knome> madnick, now it's not too late :P
[11:09] <knome> micahg, hey?
[11:18] <knome> micahg, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/precise_logo/logo_bigsizes.png
[11:18] <knome> micahg, better?
[14:40] <ochosi> hi leo-unglaub
[14:41] <leo-unglaub> good morning
[14:41] <ochosi> morning? i thought you're in my timezone :}
[14:42] <leo-unglaub> yes i am...but i just wake up an thought: shit, i am to late for work..
[14:42] <ochosi> hehe
[14:42] <ochosi> i see
[14:42] <ochosi> actually there's something i wanted to ask you
[14:42] <leo-unglaub> sure. go ahead
[14:59] <knome> madnick, ?
[15:19] <micahg> knome: file not found
[15:19] <knome> micahg, ah, sorry
[15:20] <knome> micahg, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/precise_logo/logo-lightbg-large.png
[15:20] <knome> that would be it
[15:20] <micahg> whiskers are better ;)
[15:20] <knome> okay good
[15:21] <knome> now do you think there is anything i can make the head look more like a mousehead?
[15:24] <leo-unglaub> hmm, i have a little problem with some applications like thunderbird, chrome and some others
[15:24] <leo-unglaub> the little arrow in the right bottom corner is mission
[15:24] <knome> mission? :)
[15:24] <leo-unglaub> MISSING
[15:25] <leo-unglaub> so it's sometimes very hard to resize the windows
[15:25] <leo-unglaub> damn caps lock ..
[15:25] <knome> leo-unglaub, alt+rightclick+drag...
[15:25] <knome> ochosi, we *REALLY* need that article
[15:25] <leo-unglaub> wow, great !
[15:25] <leo-unglaub> thanks!
[15:26]  * knome tweeted that
[15:27] <knome> micahg, ?any suggestions?
[15:27] <knome> -?
[15:39] <ochosi> knome: yeah, i know. it kinda sucks that ubuntu dropped the gtk2 patch for resize-grips
[15:39] <knome> any way to revert for xubuntu?
[15:39] <ochosi> not really
[15:40] <ochosi> it's in gtk2 itself
[15:40] <ochosi> as long as we're not the ones maintaining it...
[15:40] <ochosi> also: it created problems with quite a few apps (ooffice etc)
[15:42] <leo-unglaub> every java based tool if i remember it right
[15:46] <leo-unglaub> hmm, maybe you can help me with that to: on gnome2 i had a tool witch allowed me to draw on my screen with my pointer...
[15:46] <leo-unglaub> but i don't remember the name, is there something in xfce similar tot that?
[15:55] <ochosi> hm, not that i know of
[15:56] <ochosi> there was only that (slightly useless) plugin for compiz with which you could draw fire
[15:56] <ochosi> but what do you really want to do/achieve?
[16:04] <leo-unglaub> i give speeches / key nodes very often
[16:04] <leo-unglaub> and if you show simething on the beamer it's very usefull
[16:04] <leo-unglaub> if you can mark parts of a website or something if someone has questions
[16:05] <ochosi> hm, right
[16:46] <knome> madnick, ?
[18:24] <knome> pleia2, hullo!
[18:24] <pleia2> hey knome
[18:24] <knome> pleia2, do you know off your head how to block all traffic from a subdomain ?
[18:25] <knome> i tried to use dd-wrt for this, but it failed
[18:25] <pleia2> in iptables?
[18:25] <knome> whatever works for me
[18:26] <knome> except the obvious adblock :PP
[18:26] <knome> must be at least computer-wide
[18:26] <pleia2> what's the context? a subdomain going to a webserver? or your desktop ..or?
[18:26] <knome> it's a subdomain for a website, yeah
[18:27] <knome> i'll PM
[18:27] <micahg> knome: apache rewrite based on referral header not working?
[18:28] <knome> micahg, i don't own the website
[18:28] <micahg> knome: you don't own the from or the to?
[18:28] <knome> to
[18:28] <knome> i have full access to the clients, but no access to the server
[18:29] <knome> well, except read access, otherwise i wouldn't be blocking, right? :P
[19:12] <leo-unglaub> so, i am on my way home...
[19:12] <leo-unglaub> see you later
[19:12] <knome> see you
[20:19] <leo-unglaub> ochosi: i was looking into the parole things
[20:19] <leo-unglaub> but i don't find the repos, http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/parole don't contain the right link
[20:19] <micahg> I thought parole was hosted on launchpad
[20:20] <leo-unglaub> accorsing to the site http://git.xfce.org/git/apps/parole
[20:21] <micahg> leo-unglaub: http://git.xfce.org/apps/parole
[20:24] <leo-unglaub> thanks
[20:37] <leo-unglaub> ochosi: maybe it's better if you do a mockup
[20:37] <leo-unglaub> because otherwize we have to re-do the work to often :)
[22:32] <knome> huho, running a syndaemon command killed my mouse - left click didn't work... :P
[22:33] <ochosi> leo-unglaub: ok, i'll do that straight away
[22:33] <leo-unglaub> thats nice, because some of the things there are in the current source code
[22:33] <leo-unglaub> so i don't get mixed up
[22:34] <ochosi> sure, give me ~10min
[22:43] <ochosi> leo-unglaub: http://imagebin.org/203679
[22:45] <leo-unglaub> oh, what interesting show in there...never head of hear *giggle*
[22:45] <ochosi> :)
[22:45] <ochosi> i thought you might like that
[22:46] <knome> pleia2, pingping!!
[22:46] <knome> pleia2, see #xubuntu
[22:46] <leo-unglaub> BAZINGA
[22:50] <ochosi> leo-unglaub: actually, this should be about it: http://imagebin.org/203682
[22:50] <ochosi> (reworked it again and made it simpler, i don't think the two lines are even necessary
[22:50] <ochosi> )
[22:51] <ochosi> i'll watch that episode now if you don't mind, so i'll be back in about 25
[22:51] <leo-unglaub> okay
[22:51] <leo-unglaub> have fun
[23:21] <ochosi> re
[23:22] <ochosi> leo-unglaub: feel free to ping me anytime anything is unclear or you want feedback/testing
[23:28] <leo-unglaub> ochosi: yes, i am running the build right now
[23:30] <ochosi> cool
[23:46] <leo-unglaub> damn
[23:47] <ochosi> "damn" as in: damn parole looks far better now?
[23:47] <leo-unglaub> upgrading to 12.04 was an error...
[23:47] <ochosi> yeah, too early
[23:47] <leo-unglaub> this version is still sooo buggggy
[23:47] <ochosi> i dunno how an LTS can still be so buggy at beta status
[23:48] <leo-unglaub> not even in debian experimental are soo much buggs
[23:48] <leo-unglaub> and if you keep in mind that 12.04 is based in a currently stable release
[23:48] <ochosi> yeah, canonical has really started stirring things up lately
[23:48] <leo-unglaub> they just upgraded some packages...
[23:49] <leo-unglaub> yes, sience they try to be like apple, they just build shit
[23:49] <leo-unglaub> i mean..look an unity
[23:49] <leo-unglaub> or the global menu
[23:49] <leo-unglaub> hiding the user menü....so the user has to move the mouse over the complete monitor jsut to see the menu...
[23:49] <ochosi> heh, you're in the right channel not to get flamed for that :)
[23:50] <leo-unglaub> i still don't get how hat this idea
[23:50] <ochosi> yeah...
[23:50] <leo-unglaub> i have 3 time 26 zoll monitors...so imagen how much km i did every day
[23:50] <micahg> Debian has 500+ developers, Ubuntu has much fewer
[23:50] <leo-unglaub> the funny thing is, i was in an irc question hour with the ubuntu founder once..
[23:51] <leo-unglaub> i asked the same question
[23:51] <micahg> also, Debian has dedicated package maintainers, Ubuntu does not
[23:51] <leo-unglaub> and suddenly i got kicked *g*
[23:51] <leo-unglaub> micahg: gut ubuntu ist based on debian to 70%
[23:51] <leo-unglaub> gut = but
[23:52] <micahg> leo-unglaub: yes, but the 25% difference can potentially break the other 75% (toolchain and such)
[23:52] <leo-unglaub> yes
[23:53] <leo-unglaub> but no one can explain me how they manage to get the distro after every release so unstable in a couple of days..
[23:56] <micahg> new toolchain lands immediately :)


[08:06] <AskUbuntu_> spinner not working in Quickly App | http://askubuntu.com/q/596991
[11:01] <mardy> dobey: to see the console output from the plugins: OAU_LOGGING_LEVEL=2 OAU_DAEMON_TIMEOUT=9999 online-accounts-service
[11:38] <rpadovani> DanChapman, thanks! At the end I found a totally different solution for my problem, but I save your links, could be useful :-)


[12:38] <lamont> doko_: btw, sid's buildd is totally clusterfied atm, too.
[12:38] <lamont> same toolchain issue.
[12:39] <jbailey> doko_: lib64g2c0_3.4.4-6ubuntu4_i386.deb
[12:39] <jbailey> doko_: (Insert utf-8 thumbs-up icon here)
[12:40] <lamont> jbailey: any hints on the _GLOBAL_OFFSET_TABLE_ borkage issue?>
[12:40] <lamont> (hppa, although istr fabbione bitching about something similar on sparc...)
[12:40] <jbailey> lamont: Got something I can read about it somewhere?
[12:40] <jbailey> HAving a broken GOT would really suck. =)
[12:40] <lamont> uh, yeah.
[12:41] <lamont> for i in build/chroot-unstable/usr/lib/*.so.*; do x=$([ -f $i ]  && objdump -T $i | grep _GLOBAL); [ -n "$x" ]  && echo $i $x; done | wc
[12:41] <lamont>      25     200    2600
[12:41] <lamont> that's a virgin-ish buildd chroot
[12:41] <lamont> just load current sid on an hppa box - then look at libz
[12:41] <lamont> or current breezy.
[12:41] <lamont> both are rather b0rked
[12:41] <lamont> build/chroot-unstable/usr/lib/libz.so.1.2.3 000234a0 g DO *ABS* 00000000 Base _GLOBAL_OFFSET_TABLE_
[12:42] <lamont> jbailey: oh, and the best part is that it segv's fakeroot on 90%+ of builds.
[12:44] <jbailey> Any idea when this started?
[12:46] <doko_> lamont: breezy as well?
[12:47] <lamont> doko_: same issue
[12:47] <lamont> the fakeroot b0rkage is timed with gcc-2.3.5 going into the chroot
[12:48] <lamont> zlib is a wonderful test case, since it takes < 2 minutes to build on an a500
[12:48] <doko_> lamont: and we didn't notify this earlier?
[12:50] <lamont> doko_: it takes a while to notice the fatality of it all, since one object with it exported isn't fatal
[12:51] <doko_> :-(
[12:52] <lamont> been trying to get attention on it for a few days now, but then it was just breezy that was broken, and noone cares about breezy/hppa.. :-(
[12:52] <lamont> but now that sid
[12:52] <lamont> 's broke....
[12:54] <jbailey> lamont: I need to hunt bdale down so that I can get my access on j5k restored.
[12:56] <lamont> bdale was mumbling about a hectic day today, tomorrow travelling, and thursday picking up the reigns on debian's  buildd sigining for me (ia64/hppa)
[12:59] <jbailey> Hmm.  thu-mon I'm travelling so I guess I won't sync up with him until next week.
[01:00] <jbailey> Thu I'll be online subject to the grace of wifi connections at the chicago airport.
[01:12] <lamont> ---Mutt: =buildd/universe [Msgs:1692/6648 New:6644 Post:3 341M] ---(subject/date)------------------------(1%)---
[01:12] <lamont> there's something wrong with that picture
[01:13] <jbailey> That is 341MB for the mbox, not for the message, right?
[01:13] <lamont> right
[01:13] <lamont> that's the index page
[01:46] <jbailey> amd64 test glibc build going.
[01:46] <jbailey> infinity: If this works, I have some fun for you. =)
[05:42] <infinity> jbailey : pong.
[05:43] <jbailey> infinity: Hey
[05:43] <jbailey> I thougt I was ready for the upgrade dance, but then I discovered that my glibc build had frozen (the testsuite doens't like my chroot)
[05:43] <jbailey> And then I reran it without -nc.
[05:43] <infinity> Sweet.
[05:43] <jbailey> So soonish, I'll have finished the testing.
[05:43] <jbailey> Unless you want to start now with the pieces that we know about either way. =)
[07:31] <infinity> I'll wait for you to be sure it's all good to go, then you can hand me the whole mess.
[07:33] <jbailey> infinity: 'k
[07:33] <jbailey> infinity: Found a slight bug in the final amd64 install (native)
[08:53] <doko> infinity: the OOo2 build did fail, because it couldn't find the archives?
[08:57] <infinity> doko : On i386?
[08:57] <doko> yes
[08:57] <infinity> That's a transient error that always results in an auto-give-back.
[08:57] <doko> so it's currently building?
[08:57] <infinity> It's building right now on rothera, and seems t obe doing fine.
[08:58] <doko> wow, finally :-)
[08:58] <infinity> Yeah, I'm keeping an eye on it.  I'd kinda like to see it build. :)
[08:59] <jbailey> feh, stat spits out numbers in hex.
[08:59] <jbailey> I need them in decimal.
[09:00] <jbailey> Heya doko.  I found one tweak that I needed to do in the amd64 native build.  Testing the i386 biarch build and then I hand it to Adam. =)
[09:00] <jbailey> In about 20 minutes thanks to ccache. =)
[09:01] <jbailey> I think, anyway.
[09:01] <jbailey> Time is an illusion.  Lunchtime doubly so.
[09:01] <doko> glibc biarch build?
[09:01] <jbailey> doko: right.
[09:03] <infinity> ccache and I are going to get married and have babies.
[09:03] <jbailey> infinity: Is that so you don't have to remember how?
[09:04] <infinity> See, if you could just take the high road for once and not go for the nerd interpretation... :)
[09:06] <jbailey> Mm, I suppose
[09:07] <jbailey> I wonder if I could detect a succesful ccache hit somehow and force make -j 500 after that?
[09:29] <infinity> watch ccache -s, see if the hits are going up, if so, clean and restart with -j 500?.. I dunno.. Ugly to automate it, easy to do by hand.
[09:39] <jbailey> Woot, looks good.
[09:39] <jbailey> sending her up.
[09:46] <infinity> Where to?
[09:46] <infinity> And do you have nice instructions on what order this stuff needs to be bootstrapped in?
[09:49] <jbailey> infinity: The idea is that you fill the chroot with the pieces from all three, and then you should be able to just build it all.
[09:50] <jbailey> It's going into chinstrap:~jbailey/i386-amd64
[09:50] <infinity> doko : I assmue the OOo2 build failure on amd64 is expected (or, at least, understood)?
[09:51] <infinity> jbailey : No particular order I should need to build them in?
[09:51] <infinity> jbailey : Since they're all ready to go, I guess that makes sense.
[09:52] <jbailey> Right. =)
[09:52] <jbailey> All the build-deps will be satisfied already, you're just masturb^Wrebuilding them.
[09:54] <infinity> And the source packages are signed?
[09:54] <infinity> So once I've done the initial bootstrap, I can upload the sources and have them rebuild again?
[09:55] <infinity> (Not like I couldn't sign them myself, but I want all this stuff signed by you anyway, so I have a scapegoat if you root us...)
[09:56] <jbailey> Dude, if I root you, I'd be sure you never kne.
[09:56] <jbailey> +w
[09:56] <jbailey> It's not like a kernel root, where you might replace it with one you built yourself.
[09:56] <jbailey> Only insane people build their own glibc.
[09:57] <infinity> I always build my own custom glibc, yo, cause that's the l33t thing to do.
[09:57] <infinity> I turn on the sooper sekrit options.
[09:57] <jbailey> Dude.
[09:58] <jbailey> lamont told me that -pipe is a known optimisation that Ubuntu is using.
[09:58] <jbailey> Make sure to use *that* on your build.
[09:58] <infinity> I use -fno-slow-code, it really helps.
[10:00] <infinity> Does this need to be bootstrapped on all 4 arches, or is it just one or two that need by-hand love?
[10:00] <doko> infinity: yep, the build is missing a bit ... (exit 63)
[10:00] <jbailey> infinity: i386 only.
[10:00] <jbailey> infinity: amd64 migiht be tomorrow. =)
[10:00] <infinity> Alright, cool.
[10:01] <infinity> rsync?
[10:01] <infinity> paranoid about scp cutting out?
[10:02] <jbailey> rsync is apparently faster.
[10:03] <jbailey> I've read a number of rants about scp having buffering issues that somehow rsync over ssh doesn't have.
[10:04] <infinity> Interesting.
[10:04] <infinity> I have such shit upstream, and shit bandwidth/latency to the DC that I really wouldn't care or notice.
[10:06] <jbailey> I usually don't care, except that this takes so bloody long as it is, I can't bear to make it longer.
[10:07] <infinity> Heh.
[10:14] <infinity> jbailey : Where's the glibc?
[10:14] <jbailey> infinity: Dude, gcc-3.4 ihasn't finished going up yet.
[10:14] <jbailey> karlheg: Hey!
[10:14] <jbailey> karlheg: I just pushed initramfs-tools 0.16 up.
[10:14] <infinity> jbailey : Hrm, I didn't see any rsync tempfiles...
[10:15] <infinity> jbailey : Still don't.  So I kinda assumed you'd stopped uploading.
[10:15] <jbailey> karlheg: I still haven't integrated everything from you, I needed to push this stuff first.
[10:15] <jbailey> Hmm
[10:15] <jbailey> That ssh session appears to be hung
[10:15] <infinity> jbailey : And, you have stopped.  At least, there's no rsync processes on chinstrap.
[10:15] <jbailey> In fact, Angie machine appears to be hang.
[10:16] <jbailey> No, just the network
[10:18] <jbailey> infinity: See?  Another good reason to use rsync.
[10:18] <infinity> Heh.
[10:18] <infinity> I fall back torsync when my first scp fails. :)
[10:18] <infinity> (which isn't often)
[10:18] <jbailey> Have network again.
[10:18] <jbailey> So it just sort of went insane.  Lovely.
[10:19] <jbailey> I now have a ping running as well.
[10:21] <infinity> Dude, why are you sending the orig?
[10:21] <infinity> No wonder you complain about how long it takes. :)
[10:21] <jbailey> I thought I'd be polite and not make you fetch it.
[10:22] <jbailey> I'll remove them from the next ones.
[10:22] <infinity> Well, that's sweet of you, but still. ;)
[10:22] <jbailey> I was mostly complaining before because the session was hung, I think.
[10:22] <infinity> Yeah, I wouldn't complain if I had your upstream.
[10:22] <infinity> Looks to be, what?  1Mbit or so?
[10:23] <infinity> Mine's 256 kbps.
[10:23] <jbailey> A little less ;)
[10:23] <jbailey> Yeah, sucks to be you.
[10:23] <infinity> Thpt.
[10:23] <jbailey> But we were the first kids on the block with 1200bps modems too, so nyaah
[10:23] <infinity> Pfft, I revel in my oldskoolery with the 110 baud accoustic coupler in the closet.
[10:24] <jbailey> You still have yours?
[10:24] <infinity> Yeah.
[10:24] <infinity> Tossed most of the ones in between.
[10:24] <jbailey> Our 50bps and 110bps modems are barely at the edge of my earliest memories.
[10:24] <jbailey> I do remember the 300 clearly.
[10:24] <infinity> The coupler is somewhat of a novelty, so I kept it.
[10:25] <jbailey> "For novelty use only"?
[10:25] <infinity> My 300 was my first self-contained modem.  FANY.
[10:25] <infinity> No phone required.
[10:25] <infinity> s/FANY/FANCY/
[10:25] <jbailey> Our 300 would auto-answer (That's how we ran the bbs), but we had to use the rotary to dial in.
[10:25] <infinity> Then the 2400bps Hayes "smart" modem.  Still not sure what was so smart about it.
[10:25] <jbailey> The AT command set.
[10:26] <infinity> Yeah, brilliant.
[10:26] <jbailey> Hayes sold two lines.
[10:26] <jbailey> And then the US Robotics 9600 SysOp deal.
[10:26] <jbailey> Everyone openning BBSs for a month so they could get a cheap modem.
[10:26] <infinity> I skipped 9600, but got a USR 14.4/16.8 Courier DST.
[10:26] <infinity> I was so l33t.
[10:27] <jbailey> Ah, I took a detour with the telebit trailblazer.
[10:28] <infinity> And then we upgraded the BBS to 12 lines, all with ZyXEL 19.2's, just cause we got a volume deal on them.
[10:28] <jbailey> Upside: Unlike hayes, it got the speeds that it claimed.   Downside: Unlike hayes, noone else had one.
[10:28] <infinity> No one else had a 19.2, but like we cared, we were COOL.
[10:28] <jbailey> Creepy.  What software?
[10:28] <infinity> TBBS.
[10:29] <jbailey> Ah, I did rbbs-pc and then..
[10:29] <jbailey> maximizer?
[10:29] <jbailey> I can't remember what it was called.
[10:29] <infinity> Wow... TBBS.org... Neat... I had no idea anyone still used it.
[10:30] <infinity> Old fans die hard, I guess.
[10:30] <jbailey> infinity: Get better ago.
[10:30] <jbailey> amo
[10:30] <jbailey> Because you KNOW the g and the m are close on the keyboard.
[10:30] <infinity> Fat fingers.
[10:34] <jbailey> Reminds me.
[10:35] <jbailey> In Toronto you can get doughnuts delivered.
[10:36] <infinity> !
[10:36] <infinity> Krispy Kreme?
[10:36] <infinity> If so, I'm moving.
[10:37] <infinity> doko : OOo2 on i386 looks successful.
[10:38] <infinity> doko : dpkg-shlibdeps really hates you, though.
[10:41] <jbailey> Yeah, KK
[10:45] <doko> infinity: great!
[10:50] <jbailey> infinity: W00h00
[10:50] <jbailey> It should be there.
[04:27] <doko> infinity: I'm unable to reproduce the failure of expect-tcl8.3 on i386. even the configure check on the buildd looks correct to me.
[05:16] <doko> speeding up grep on amd64 by a factor of 40 ...
[05:47] <jbailey> doko: Eh?
[05:47] <jbailey> ccache for grep?
[05:47] <jbailey> =)
[05:48] <infinity> doko : I can't reproduce it either, neat.
[05:56] <doko> infinity: so try again?
[05:56] <doko> jbailey: not exactly, but the debian patches seem to add something, what is not optimized by -O2 ...
[05:57] <doko> I did have to wait some minutes for grepping 600MB language data ...
[05:57] <infinity> doko : I am retrying them.  Then again, it wasn't that long ago that they failed, so I don't have high hopes.
[05:57] <doko> infinity: ok, and what to do, if they fail again?
[05:57] <infinity> Dig deeper, I guess.
[05:59] <doko> infinity: so, I don't have access to the buildd :-)
[05:59] <infinity> Yes, I know.  I'll look into it.  Right now, I'm working on some bootstrapping issues.
[05:59] <infinity> And it's also 2am. :/
[06:00] <doko> infinity: gcc/glibc?
[06:01] <jbailey> doko: It seems to have shown up with a symbol error on his build.  I've asked him to paste it here in case it's something obvoius to you.
[06:01] <jbailey> Dunno why it didn't show up here.
[06:02] <doko> nice ... :-/
[06:02] <infinity> http://people.ubuntu.com/~adconrad/
[06:03] <infinity> That was building against Jeff's gcc and glibc.
[06:03] <infinity> I could try again against the glibc I just built, if that may make a difference.
[06:03] <jbailey> It ought not to.  Those were all clean builds from yesterday using my own builds.
[06:03] <infinity> Well, yes, I was assuming it shouldn't make a difference, hence the not installing new packages between builds.
[06:04] <infinity> Was just going to build all three, install them all, then kick fresh rebuilds via wanna-build.
[06:04] <jbailey> Lemme do a test in my chroots with -lm
[06:04] <infinity> But.  Y'know.  Nothing's ever simple.
[06:05] <jbailey> Oh.
[06:05] <jbailey> *sigh*
[06:05] <jbailey> Symlink points to /lib.  I thought I had fixed that. =(
[06:06] <infinity> In glibc?
[06:06] <jbailey> Erm.
[06:06] <jbailey> Right
[06:06] <jbailey> But I've build gcc-3.4 with this glibc.
[06:06] <infinity> Toss me a patch, and I'll rebuild glibc.
[06:06] <jbailey> Oh, I know what happened.
[06:07] <jbailey> Hmm.
[06:07] <jbailey> I need to think about this for a sec.
[06:07] <jbailey> This was the fix for amd64 native.
[06:07] <jbailey> then I did a build test of i386-amd64 biarch
[06:07] <jbailey> Didn't rebuild gcc-3.4 after that.
[06:07] <jbailey> *sigh*
[06:07] <infinity> Wasn't that supposed to be halfway there for breezy?
[06:08] <infinity> I was kinda surprised to see lib/lib64 popping up all over, personally.
[06:08] <infinity> I thought we really, really didn't want that.
[06:08] <doko> infinity: yeah, that doesn't exist on m68k ;-P
[06:08] <infinity> doko : Thpt.
[06:09] <doko> infinity: it makes ia32-libs a bit lighter
[06:10] <doko> gets rid off amd64-libs
[06:11] <jbailey> infinity: The problem isn't we don't have a better mechanism for handling biarch atm.
[06:13] <jbailey> I really have to wonder if ia32-libs can *actually* still be built atm.
[06:43] <doko> yep, you now have a build dependency on amd64-libs :-)


[12:17] <uniq> gnite.
[04:00] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon
[04:01] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[04:02] <nixternal> hey Hobbsee and imbrandon
[04:02] <imbrandon> heya nixternal
[04:02] <nixternal> woohoo
[04:02] <nixternal> jamin' and documentin'
[04:02] <Hobbsee> hi nixternal
[06:51] <nixternal> woohoo
[06:51] <nixternal> it sure is quiet
[06:52] <Hobbsee> it is indeed.
[06:53] <Hobbsee> ah ha :)
[06:54] <nixternal> hehe
[06:54] <Hobbsee> it's using *edgy* repos now, not dappers!
[06:54] <nixternal> i have been finger boxin' the keyboard all night helpin' people out ;)
[06:54] <nixternal> arg.. Hobbsee you just fixed my issue earlier...i was messing with pbuilder following a howto, and i set my environments to dapper
[06:54] <nixternal> grrrr
[06:54] <nixternal> or edgy i mean
[06:55] <Hobbsee> nixternal: you can run two pbuilders, you know
[06:55] <Hobbsee> it's very useful :)
[06:55] <Hobbsee> that's what i'm just finishing setting up now :)
[06:55] <nixternal> ya..i didn't get that far in the tutorial ;)
[06:55] <Hobbsee> nixternal: did you figure out how to fix it?
[06:56] <nixternal> ya..it is in help.ubuntu.com Packaging Documentation
[06:56] <Hobbsee> yeah, that's what i was using too
[06:56] <nixternal> i am getting ready to help out jjesse with that..so i was trying it out b4 i worked on it
[06:56] <Hobbsee> :)
[06:57] <nixternal> i am not a coder really...i can read it...just can't write it type of thing...but i was trying out the packaging aspect to see if i would be confused and if we would need to dumb it down
[06:57] <nixternal> sort of speak
[06:57] <nixternal> ;)
[06:58] <Hobbsee> actually, that packaging guide's pretty good at the moment
[06:58] <nixternal> it shall be better for Edgy ;)
[06:58] <Hobbsee> it's missing a bit on chmod +x'ing the files for the multiple
[06:58] <Hobbsee> pbuilders
[06:58] <lnxkde> when we will see the next dev vercion of kubuntu and what kde will have in it?
[06:58] <Hobbsee> lnxkde: the next, or the final for edgy?
[06:58] <nixternal> october 19 for rc1 and october 26 for the release
[06:59] <lnxkde> edgy?
[06:59] <Hobbsee> oh so they decided when rc1 was now?
[06:59] <nixternal> ya
[06:59] <Hobbsee> lnxkde: next version of kubuntu
[06:59] <nixternal> one week b4 final again
[06:59] <Hobbsee> nice
[06:59] <lnxkde> edgy is out?
[06:59] <Hobbsee> lnxkde: kde 3.5.4 should be there
[06:59] <Hobbsee> lnxkde: no
[06:59] <Hobbsee> it's severely broken.
[06:59] <lnxkde> I mean in his pre alpha state
[07:00] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[07:00] <Hobbsee> ah yeah, so it didnt change from what i saw late last night
[07:01] <nixternal> nope
[07:01] <nixternal> they just made it purty
[07:01] <Hobbsee> whee!  k-d-s builds in edgy too!
[07:01] <Hobbsee> all my scripts are working!
[07:02] <nixternal> nice
[07:02] <nixternal> one of these days i will be scripting with ya...i can hack code a little..but give me some hardware and Linux and it is over with ;)
[07:02] <Hobbsee> yay!  and it asks for signing!  woot!
[07:02] <Hobbsee> nixternal: hehe, you can do the documentation
[07:02] <nixternal> you got further then i did in the docs i see ;)
[07:03] <lnxkde> what I have to do to update to edgy?
[07:03] <Hobbsee> lnxkde: dont do it.
[07:03] <nixternal> haha
[07:03] <Hobbsee> nixternal: in the docs?
[07:03] <nixternal> yup
[07:03] <lnxkde> ...
[07:03] <Hobbsee> how do you mean?
[07:03] <nixternal> you got to the signing part...im not that far following the packaging documentation yet ;)
[07:03] <nixternal> that is all in there
[07:05] <lnxkde> hum well I have a lot of space in my PC I can make another installation of kubuntu
[07:06] <lnxkde> and updateit to edgy and play with the new stuff and report bugs
[07:07] <Hobbsee> nixternal: howzat?  :)
[07:07] <Hobbsee> nixternal: sethk taught me about signing, maybe there should be a section on making an edgybuild / dapperbuild script there or whatever.
[07:08] <Hobbsee> lnxkde: it's still very very broken at the moment, but you're welcome to
[07:08] <lnxkde> I know :)
[07:08] <nixternal> there will be eventually Hobbsee
[07:08] <Hobbsee> lnxkde: change all instances of dapper to edgy in the sources.list, and run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:08] <nixternal> that is what jjesse and i have been conversing about
[07:08] <Hobbsee> same as breezy --> edgy
[07:09] <Hobbsee> nixternal: that'd be good
[07:09] <lnxkde> I just wanted to know if I just have to change all the dapper to edgy in my sources list and make a apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:09] <Hobbsee> yep
[07:09] <Hobbsee> that's the way it always works
[07:09] <lnxkde> ok thankx
[07:10] <lnxkde> can I install KDE 4 svn it?
[07:11] <lnxkde> eny KDE 4 sources for edgy ?
[07:11] <Hobbsee> no
[07:12] <lnxkde> ok
[07:12] <Hobbsee> i dunno about kde 4 svn...
[07:12] <Hobbsee> probably
[07:12] <Hobbsee> no edgy sources though
[07:12] <lnxkde> it will be nice kde4svn sources for kubuntu edgy :) testing all the new stuff :)
[07:13] <Hobbsee> maybe, we'll see :P
[07:13] <Hobbsee> lets get the other stuff ready first, then maybe play with kde 4
[07:13] <Hobbsee> @time paris
[07:13] <Ubugtu> Current time in Europe/Paris: June 20 2006, 07:13:28
[07:13] <lnxkde> well my time to sleep have come :)
[07:13] <Hobbsee> hmmm...darn
[07:13] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:13] <lnxkde> see you laterz
[07:13] <lnxkde> see you all guys :)
[07:13] <lnxkde> bye
[07:13] <Hobbsee> bye
[07:36] <nixternal> there should be some action here soon since it is after 7:30..unless of course everyone is still passed out due to...you know ;)
[07:38] <Hobbsee> hah, excessive amounts of beer?
[07:38] <Hobbsee> i think that had to wait till the last night, didnt it?  :P
[07:38] <nixternal> im sure it did
[07:41] <raphink> @time Nice
[07:41] <raphink> stupid bot
[07:42] <Hobbsee> hey raphink
[07:42] <raphink> hi Hobbsee
[07:43] <raphink> how are you?
[07:43] <Hobbsee> raphink: was fighting with multiple pbuilders and scripts, but i have come out victorious!
[07:43] <raphink> great :)
[07:44] <Hobbsee> yep :)
[07:44] <raphink> what was/were the issue(s) ?
[07:44] <nixternal> raphink: you and i are both bad...we both call the bot stupid
[07:44] <Hobbsee> had to figure out how to adapt my build script to use a set config script
[07:44] <nixternal> and the bot can't respond ;)
[07:44] <raphink> nixternal: which just proves the point
[07:44] <nixternal> haha right
[07:44] <Hobbsee> raphink: i usually end up using the pdebuild, not pbuilder build *.dsc, so i had to figure out if that would still work, and how to load the config file i wanted (covered in the man pages)
[07:45] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, and then how to get an edgy pbuilder (copy dapper one, upgrade it, override config)
[07:45] <raphink> yep
[07:45] <Hobbsee> and get them all to stay in /home, not in /var/cache/*
[07:45] <raphink> the edgy pbuilder doesn't work yet iirc
[07:45] <raphink> I had to set an edgy chroot for this reason
[07:45] <Hobbsee> it does - copy dapper, upgrade with --override-config
[07:46] <Hobbsee> it's just debhelper that's still borked
[07:46] <raphink> Hobbsee: I couldn't build doing that
[07:46] <raphink> yep
[07:46] <Hobbsee> raphink: you couldnt?
[07:46] <raphink> whereas in a chroot you could force installing debhelper
[07:46] <Hobbsee> true, i think
[07:47] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:48] <Hobbsee> raphink: try cleaning the pbuilder, copying the base.tar.gz and the other files (not the apt.config) and then sudo pbuilder update --override config
[07:48] <Hobbsee> raphink: try cleaning the pbuilder, copying the base.tar.gz and the other files (not the apt.config) and then sudo pbuilder update --override-config
[07:48] <Hobbsee> or just create a new dapper one, then upgrade it
[07:48] <Hobbsee> take your pick
[07:48] <raphink> yes
[07:48] <raphink> I know how to do ;)
[07:49] <Hobbsee> that's what i thought - which is why i was surprised you hadnt been able to make it work quicker than i had
[07:50] <raphink> well I guess I tried to upgrade it on a bad day
[07:50] <raphink> anyway, my machine is in pieces now
[07:50] <raphink> my sister is getting it here tonight
[07:50] <raphink> from Paris
[07:50] <raphink> so I'll have my build machine in local ;)
[07:50] <Hobbsee> ooh fun :)
[07:50] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:51] <raphink> she's coming for a few days and said "at least I can have the internet at home"
[07:51] <raphink> and I said to her : "sure, if you bring a computer, cause I'm bringing mine to work"
[07:51] <raphink> ;)
[07:51] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:51] <raphink> so she's bringing my desktop :)
[07:52] <raphink> although I got a desktop at work yesterday ;)
[08:18] <Hobbsee> hiya \sh
[08:18] <Hobbsee> raphink: nice, one can never have too many computers :P
[08:18] <raphink> sure
[08:18] <raphink> hehe
[08:18] <\sh> moins
[08:19] <\sh> sarah joined, sarah quit...frightend to talk with me ?
[08:19] <raphink> moinmoin
[08:19] <\sh> rotfl
[08:19] <Hobbsee> \sh: not at all
[08:19] <Hobbsee> haha
[08:20] <\sh> raphink: are you in paris now?
[08:20] <raphink> I wish I were \h
[08:20] <raphink> but no
[08:20] <Hobbsee> \sh: the first time was to just see if i could keep my kde sound while having TS running, and the second time i left cos it looked like no one was around and active
[08:20] <raphink> I'm on the riviera, about to go to work
[08:21] <\sh> raphink: that's a shame...you should be there...can you use TS in your office?
[08:21] <raphink> we are 8 people in my office
[08:21] <\sh> Hobbsee: I just joined .. looks like we are the first ones alive
[08:21] <raphink> I mean in the room
[08:21] <Hobbsee> \sh: actually, yeah, you're just big and scary :P
[08:21] <Hobbsee> \sh: i think so too, shame on them.
[08:21] <\sh> BIG and SCARY?
[08:22] <\sh> raphink: I have 30 people around me, and I just use it...I don't care about the others when it goes to talk to the others :)
[08:22] <raphink> hehe
[08:23] <\sh> Hobbsee: I'm not a big mean scary beast...well, not all day long ;)
[08:23] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:23] <Hobbsee> sure sure...
[08:24] <nixternal> \sh just most of the day right :D
[08:24] <\sh> nixternal: yeah...and during the night I'm a real nice guy...when I sleep
[08:24] <Hobbsee> heh
[08:24] <Hobbsee> this thing is being highly annoying.
[08:24] <nixternal> everytime you log onto jabber..you are a big mean scary beast...as your pictures lights up the top right hand corner of my desktop letting me know you have logged on ;)
[08:25] <nixternal> lol
[08:25] <nixternal> im nixternal on everything
[08:25] <Hobbsee> \sh: there :P
[08:25] <nixternal> aim, msn, yahoo, gmail, jabber.kubuntu.de
[08:25] <nixternal> you name it
[08:26] <Hobbsee> yeah, same here pretty much - except for aim
[08:26] <Hobbsee> i couldnt have hobbsee for aim, so i didnt bother.
[08:26] <nixternal> lol
[08:26] <Hobbsee> raphink<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:26] <nixternal> i don't have anybody
[08:26] <nixternal> ;)
[08:26] <Hobbsee> morning \sh
[08:26] <\sh> hehe
[08:26] <nixternal> i have 6 messanger accounts and like 3 full time contacts
[08:26] <nixternal> my brother, my x, and \sh
[08:26] <nixternal> lol
[08:27] <Hobbsee> \sh: there you go, i can talk :P
[08:27] <nixternal> but i get messages all day long from people out of the forums
[08:27] <\sh> Hobbsee: hehehe
[08:27] <\sh> hobbsee has a voice...really :)
[08:27] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:28] <Hobbsee> i do, i just try not to use it.
[08:28] <Hobbsee> raphink: adn other devs - feel free to add.
[08:28] <nixternal> anyone alive on ts yet?
[08:28] <Hobbsee> nixternal: \sh and myself, yes
[08:28] <nixternal> lol
[08:28] <nixternal> thats it?
[08:28] <\sh> and /me goes and have a smokers bof now..
[08:28] <nixternal> they are hungover for sure in paris then ;)
[08:28] <nixternal> smokin' = bad
[08:29] <Hobbsee> true
[08:29] <Hobbsee> urgh
[08:29] <nixternal> hehe
[08:29] <nixternal> i quit 3 years ago
[08:29] <nixternal> woohoo
[08:29] <Hobbsee> nixternal: feel free to join on TS
[08:29] <nixternal> roger that
[08:29] <nixternal> lemme hook my killer $1 headset up ;)
[08:31] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:31] <nixternal> i forgot my key to talk
[08:31] <nixternal> LOL
[08:31] <Hobbsee> lol!
[08:31] <Hobbsee> set a new one - just not spacebar :P
[08:31] <nixternal> haha
[08:32] <nixternal> it is the windows key
[08:32] <Hobbsee> ah, well you should be able to remember that
[08:32] <nixternal> can you hear me at all?
[08:32] <Hobbsee> nixternal: no
[08:32] <nixternal> hmm
[08:32] <Hobbsee> nixternal: in alsamixer, turn the mic up full, then hit f4
[08:33] <Hobbsee> check that LR capture is above mic, and turn up the gain to about 80
[08:33] <nixternal> it worked b4
[08:33] <Hobbsee> check that the mic boost is on too
[08:33] <Hobbsee> hey Lure
[08:34] <Lure> hi Hobbsee
[08:35] <raphink> hop
[08:35] <Hobbsee> bye raphink - enjoy!
[08:36] <Lure> anybody participated on UDS over TS? I can not as firewall at work does not let me through :-(
[08:37] <Hobbsee> Lure: bits and pieces - they're having a lot of trouble with it
[08:37] <Hobbsee> not everyone has mics - it's quite static-y
[08:37] <Hobbsee> but i'ts better than nothing
[08:37] <Hobbsee> mostly.
[08:37] <Lure> ok, I will just follow wiki page update and ping Riddell if I need ;-)
[08:38] <Hobbsee> Lure: okay hehe
[08:45] <\sh> nixternal: I didn't hear you on TS :) say something
[08:45] <nixternal> my mic isn't working all of a sudden
[08:45] <\sh> I see you mic is open but nothing comes through
[08:45] <nixternal> let me reboot
[08:46] <nixternal> my mic was working earlier...
[08:59] <Riddell> hi Lure
[08:59] <Hobbsee> morning Riddell
[08:59] <Riddell> moring Hobbsee
[08:59] <Riddell> morning
[09:00] <Riddell> thingy
[09:00] <Hobbsee> yeah.  morning at 5pm :P
[09:00] <\sh> moins Riddell ... already had a nice caf au lait?
[09:01] <Riddell> I had some fruit salad and grapefruit juice thank you
[09:01] <\sh> not a typical french breakfast ;)
[09:02] <Hobbsee> hehe  - you'll have to find him one tomorrow \sh
[09:05] <Riddell> hmm, http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/schedule/2006-06-20/
[09:06] <Hobbsee> nothing kde based there, that i see. hmmm.
[09:06] <Riddell> yes, hmm
[09:07] <Riddell> I need to talk to mdz
[09:07] <Hobbsee> go find him?
[09:07] <Hobbsee> oh cool, you made it to TS :P
[09:22] <mornfall> Riddell: where are you? :)
[09:24] <Hobbsee> hey mornfall
[09:24] <Hobbsee> mornfall: i think he was searching out mdz or something
[09:26] <mornfall> he's at the table now ;-)
[09:27] <mornfall> *yawn*
[09:28] <nixternal> ARGH
[09:28] <Hobbsee> mornfall: yes, so i see with my extra good eyes :P
[09:29] <nixternal> Hobbsee: any other tricks you can think of?
[09:29] <Hobbsee> nixternal: hmmm...about the mic?  not really
[09:30] <nixternal> its weird because it worked fine yesterday
[09:30] <mornfall> sup?
[09:31] <Hobbsee> his mic is buggered
[09:31] <nixternal> sblive
[09:31] <Hobbsee> hi kwwii
[09:31] <nixternal> which is oss from the looks of lsmod
[09:35] <Riddell> Kubuntu Schedule!  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuParisSummit
[09:35] <Riddell> where's Tonio__?
[09:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what day?
[09:36] <Hobbsee> that's today?
[09:37] <Tonio__> Riddell: I'm there why ?
[09:37] <Riddell> Tonio__: I can't see you
[09:37] <Riddell> Hobbsee: that's today yes
[09:37] <raphink> IRC : the place where you can find people you can't see in real life
[09:38] <seaLne> :)
[09:38] <Hobbsee> darn, wish i could be there for the poewr management
[09:38] <kwwii> hehe
[09:38] <mornfall> well
[09:38] <mornfall> the wireless here is not particularly good
[09:38] <Tonio__> Riddell: look at elmo's table
[09:38] <mornfall> it's from t he posiedon place
[09:38] <mornfall> so closer to that could be better
[09:38] <mornfall> people with ideas where it is? :)
[09:38] <Riddell> where's elmo!
[09:39] <kwwii> hiding from you
[09:40] <mornfall> i actually prefer quiet place to a good network
[09:40] <mornfall> i get link quality somewhere around 30%, very jumpy
[09:41] <mornfall> just no power plugs
[09:42] <mornfall> there's some power and same crappy signal outside of the atlas room
[09:43] <mornfall> however, as far as i go, the atlas room itself is pretty useless
[09:44] <Hobbsee> mornfall: run a very long cable?
[09:44] <mornfall> not that i have one :p
[09:44] <Hobbsee> find one :P
[09:46] <mornfall> Sirenia -- Seven Sirens and a Silver Tear
[09:46] <mornfall> i don't even have an AP
[09:47] <mornfall> to hook on it
[09:47] <Hobbsee> ah :(
[09:47] <mornfall> or a switch
[09:47] <mornfall> The Gathering -- Saturnine
[09:48] <mornfall> i'll go downstairs again, bbiab
[09:48] <Hobbsee> mornfall: what the heck is that?  some script or somthing?
[09:48] <kwwii> mornfall: I have a really long cable if you need one
[10:00] <\sh> hey kwwii
[10:01] <mornfall> great, 25 packets transmitted, 25 received, 0% packet loss, time 25435ms
[10:02] <mornfall> link quality floats just below 50%
[10:02] <kwwii> ouch
[10:02] <mornfall> seems stable
[10:04] <mornfall> i'm even on AC
[10:05] <mornfall> if someone gets a powerstrip, it should be fine
[10:06] <Riddell> mornfall: using wifi?
[10:07] <Riddell> \sh: we're watching a talk just now, session not yet started
[10:07] <\sh> Riddell: ok...anyways..I'll record the bof :) have a meeting now
[10:07] <mornfall> Riddell: yes
[10:08] <ervin> tada!
[10:09] <Hobbsee> heya ervin
[11:11] <Riddell> seaLne: what's moving about?
[11:12] <seaLne> the bug reporter name is now top right
[12:28] <seaLne> anyone got a couple of min to help me try to understand a debian patch to k3b? 5th section of changes on http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-k3b?op=comp&compare%5B%5D=%2Fk3b%2Ftrunk%2Fplugins%2Fproject%2Faudiometainforenamer%2F@23&compare%5B%5D=%2Fk3b%2Ftrunk%2Fplugins%2Fproject%2Faudiometainforenamer%2F@161&manualorder=1 kde_module_LTLIBRARIES
[12:31] <seaLne> audiometainforenamer and audioprojectcddb are the only plugins/project stuff to use lib_LTLIBRARIES rather than kde_module_LTLIBRARIES is this a bug fix to upstream?
[12:34] <\sh> changelog of debian maintainer?
[12:34] <allee> Riddell: hi, saw your changes to KubuntuLaptopButtons changes.  Why is the plan to restrict, e.g., XFAudioPlay to amarok?  Wouldn't it be better if e.g. a video player has focus to let this app catch the key event?  One can assign several keycodes to an KDE action.
[12:37] <seaLne> \sh: i'm trying to match, nasty everything in the diff.gz file, to what they do and seperate them out to merge back with us
[12:37] <seaLne> i cna't see anyting obvious that relates to it
[12:42] <\sh> seaLne: well, it's a change in the autofoo build system..I think there is an upstream issue with using lib_LTLIBRARIES, because those modules are more DSOs, which are not linked but loaded at runtime...so kde_module_LTLIBRARIES is a special macro for it, to tag them as DSO/plugins/whatever
[12:43] <\sh> seaLne: is this a difference between debian and upstream? this autofoo change in k3b?
[12:44] <seaLne> well changing lib_LTLIBRARIES to kde_module_LTLIBRARIES in plugins/project/audioprojectcddb/Makefile.am and plugins/project/audiometainforenamer/Makefile.am
[12:47] <freeflying> amarok-1.4.1 support gstreamer again
[12:47] <\sh> seaLne: yes, but it's not from upstream version 0.12.15?
[12:47] <seaLne> no its debian change to upstream
[12:59] <seaLne> \sh very weird it was fixed in svn 10 months ago
[01:02] <\sh> seaLne: debian svn or upstream svn?
[01:03] <seaLne> kdesvn
[01:04] <seaLne> atleast that explains where the patch came from
[01:27] <Riddell> allee: sure, add to that page for kaffeine too
[01:59] <Riddell> hi Lure_
[02:01] <Lure_> Riddell: hi - I will not be able to participate over TS, as it does not work through firewall at work :-(
[02:29] <Hobbsee> hi all
[02:32] <allee> hi Hobbsee
[02:32] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[02:33] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon
[02:33] <Hobbsee> hi allee - LTNS!
[02:34] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i got it working :D
[02:34] <allee> Hobbsee: yeah, had wonderful holidays and the stressful time to only halfway catch up with what happened ;)
[02:34] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[02:35] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, nice, but what is "it" heheh
[02:36] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: some guy publish binary kopete-0,12 with jingle support on kde-apps.org
[02:36] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: multiple pbuilders, like i was fighting with earlier
[02:36] <imbrandon> ahhh great
[02:36] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: great :)
[02:36] <imbrandon> very good news
[02:36] <freeflying|away> but still don't know how can he do that  :)
[02:37] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: unpack it?
[02:38] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: no, he has no source package
[02:38] <Hobbsee> isnt it possible to unpack debs?
[02:39] <imbrandon> yea Hobbsee but it may not contain the src
[02:39] <imbrandon> only binary
[02:39] <Hobbsee> you'd only need the control file
[02:39] <imbrandon> maybe if he dident patch something ;)
[02:40] <uniq> hobbsee: /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples/pbuilder-distribution.sh is nice for multiple distros and pbuilder.
[02:41] <Hobbsee> uniq: yes, it's listed on the !pbuilder link too, and a modified version ofi t
[02:41] <uniq> ok, i didn't know that :)
[02:42] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:42] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: sure, you can unpack binary package using dpkg
[02:42] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: was there anything interesting in the meetings?
[02:42] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: and wouldnt that get you to the source?
[02:42] <Hobbsee> or it doesnt work that way?
[02:42] <uniq> back to work.
[02:42] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: ya
[02:43] <seaLne> wouldn't that just give you lots of binary files and some scripts?
[02:43] <Hobbsee> therefore wouldnt you just copy the stuff in the control file as a result?
[02:43] <freeflying|away> seaLne: true
[02:44] <seaLne> don't think it gives you enough of debian/ ?
[02:44] <Hobbsee> oh ok
[02:44] <freeflying|away> no, just scripts for install and control file for binary's only
[02:45] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, no i think they all gavce up on voip, thus i'm on my quest to make a better voip solution , and looking at existing ones
[02:46] <Hobbsee> ah okay..
[02:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: any summaries of them, or are they in the specs?
[02:48] <Lure> Hobbsee: me too (regarding power) ;-)
[02:50] <Hobbsee> okay, i wonder how this gobby works...
[02:54] <Hobbsee> neat, but no one's on it.
[02:55] <jsgotangco> heh
[02:55] <Hobbsee> hi jsgotangco
[02:56] <jsgotangco> hi!
[02:56] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: how's life in your part of the world?
[02:57] <jsgotangco> hmmm not bad, its only 3pm and about to go upstairs for a BOF im beside henrik, Janimo and TheMuso
[02:58] <Hobbsee> what BOF?
[03:17] <Hobbsee> Lure: i dont see a gobby session about it
[03:17] <Riddell> Hobbsee: power isn't written up
[03:17] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[03:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: how'd it go?
[03:17] <Riddell> well I thought it went great :)
[03:18] <Hobbsee> Riddell: did you decide on much, or we'll just wait to hear...
[04:10] <Riddell> Hobbsee: we decided to write our own one
[04:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: nice :)
[04:10] <Lure> Riddell: own PM GUI?
[04:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: were you interested in amarok 1.4.1 beta 1 packages, btw?
[04:19] <Riddell> Hobbsee: do it
[04:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: okay.  one of the build deps isnt actually in kubuntu - only in your kde 3.5.3 packages
[04:23] <Riddell> Hobbsee: just build them against kde 3.5.3 then
[04:23] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what's the dep?
[04:23] <jsgotangco> that kde kiosk mode is nice
[04:23] <Riddell> jsgotangco: you saw arran's demo?
[04:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell: libexscalibar1-dev
[04:24] <jsgotangco> Riddell: we're here upstairs for edubuntu
[04:24] <jsgotangco> Riddell: we'll be comparing it with sabayon tomorrow
[04:24] <Riddell> Hobbsee: that's from my amarok packages I think
[04:24] <Riddell> so just reuse the same package
[04:25] <Hobbsee> hmmm...wonder how you do that...
[04:26] <Riddell> Hobbsee: install it on your system and make sure the package is included in any archive you put amarok into
[04:27] <Hobbsee> i was running it thru a pbuilder...but ok
[04:27] <Riddell> oh, dunno about with pbuilder
[04:27] <Riddell> I'd just use a plain chroot
[04:28] <Hobbsee> hmmm...drat
[04:28] <Hobbsee> guess i'll have to figure out how to make a chroot then.
[04:28] <Riddell> sudo debootstrap --variant buildd mychrootdir dapper
[04:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/buildd
[04:33] <jsgotangco> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jsgotangco/171289343/
[04:33] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:33] <bddebian> Hello folks
[04:33] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian!
[04:34] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[04:34] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell - looks like people think you've got a distro named after you hehe
[04:34] <bddebian> heh
[04:39] <Hobbsee> okay, i get idiot of the day award.
[04:39] <DaSkreech> *shines it*
[04:40] <DaSkreech> Where would you like your name?
[04:40] <DaSkreech> on the plaque or the glowing hologram above it?
[04:42] <Hobbsee> i dunno.  darn, it *still* doesnt want to work.  imbrandon wants to do it :P
[04:42] <imbrandon> i got the chroot already setup with kde3.5.3
[04:42] <imbrandon> what needs building ?
[04:42] <\sh> jsgotangco: hehe....
[04:42] <DaSkreech> Ok So what do I need to read to build a deb for Ubuntu?
[04:43] <apachelogger> re
[04:43] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, lots of things ;)
[04:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: had a look at kopete?
[04:44] <imbrandon> apachelogger, he put it up on ~riddell/kopete   with the changes you me and freeflying made
[04:44] <Hobbsee> hey apachelogger
[04:44] <apachelogger> ahoy Hobbsee
[04:44] <imbrandon> and Hobbsee ^^ hehe
[04:44] <apachelogger> imbrandon: cool
[04:44] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: did you get my email RE kopete, and the changes that i wanted made to it?
[04:45] <Hobbsee> ie, did they occur?
[04:45] <seaLne> i think https://launchpad.net/bugs/50454 is a won't fix reject?
[04:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50454 in kdebase "KDM should display users list" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]
[04:45] <DaSkreech> Thanks Hobbsee
[04:45] <DaSkreech> can ubotu pipe as well? :)
[04:45] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: don't think so
[04:45] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: yeah
[04:45] <imbrandon> seaLne, yea thats just a kdm theme issue
[04:45] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: would have been from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:46] <apachelogger> nothing :S
[04:46] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: i can tell you here anyway, if you didnt get it - did you add the jasper b-d?
[04:46] <Hobbsee> and d?
[04:46] <apachelogger> japser b and d?
[04:47] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: requires libjasper-runtime as a dep, and libjasper-1.701-dev as a build-dep - i'm havent tested without the second one there, but i'm fairly sure it would need both
[04:47] <Hobbsee> and that brings in the other jasper package as a shlibdepends
[04:48] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, and i wanted to be mentioned in the changelog too :P
[04:48] <apachelogger> libjasper(dev) is depend of kdelibs(dev)/kdebase(dev)
[04:48] <Hobbsee> oh is it?  cool
[04:48] <apachelogger> you're in changelog of latest revision ;-)
[04:48] <Hobbsee> just the libjasper-runtime then
[04:48] <apachelogger> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2435
[04:48] <apachelogger> yep
[04:48] <Hobbsee> heh, i think i'm in the initial debianization too :P
[04:48] <apachelogger> well
[04:49] <Hobbsee> but yeah
[04:49] <apachelogger> not very much stuff from you ;-)
[04:49] <Hobbsee> hah
[04:49] <Hobbsee> yes, i started it, then handed it onto freeflying when i was having trouble getting it to build.
[04:49] <apachelogger> though I have no problem with, if you want me to I'll edit that
[04:49] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: the reason i dont upload much in the way of source packages is that i have a fairly slow upload connection :P
[04:49] <DaSkreech> 56k?
[04:50] <Hobbsee> i think it's 128
[04:50] <Hobbsee> lucky you :P
[04:50] <imbrandon> up
[04:51] <apachelogger> :P
[04:51] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: i know i'm being painful, but i would, yeah :)
[04:56] <apachelogger> up we go :)
[04:56] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: :) thanks
[05:15] <Riddell> Hobbsee: where that?
[05:15] <DaSkreech> Hi Riddell
[05:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: where's what in particular?  oh, it was in #kubuntu
[05:15] <Riddell> Lure: so, power manager stuff
[05:15] <Riddell> Hobbsee: distro named after me
[05:15] <Hobbsee> yes, #kubuntu
[05:15] <Lure> Riddell: speak up! ;-)
[05:16] <Riddell> Lure: klaptopdaemon is crap but kpowersave and powersaved duplicates far too much stuff that's in ubuntu already
[05:16] <Riddell> Lure: if you look at gnome-power-manager it's not a lot of code
[05:16] <Lure> Riddell: correct
[05:16] <Riddell> Lure: so writing a frontend to HAL that does brightness shouldn'b too hard
[05:16] <Lure> Riddell: because of gnome's simplicity to the minimum...
[05:17] <Riddell> Lure: we had ervin here who's doing Solid and he says it would be a good test case for Solid
[05:17] <Lure> Solid is based on dbus/hal?
[05:17] <Riddell> s/brightness/brightness and suspend etc/
[05:17] <Riddell> Lure: it will have a hal backend yes
[05:17] <Lure> but Solid is kde4, right?
[05:17] <\sh> "Solid"?
[05:18] <Riddell> we wouldn't use solid but it would show that you can use hal with kde
[05:18] <Lure> ok, so it will show the way for Solid...
[05:18] <Riddell> Lure: yes
[05:19] <Lure> So we need kde-guidance PM module and new tray module, right?
[05:19] <Riddell> yes
[05:19] <Lure> or would you do all config just in tray like gpm?
[05:19] <Riddell> probaly all from the tray
[05:20] <Lure> there should not be much if we go with minimalistic aproach...
[05:20] <Hobbsee> tray - if most people cant figure out how to install a theme thru system settings, they wont be able to get the laptop thing working either :P
[05:20] <Lure> we probably need to spec what we want to have in
[05:21] <Riddell> Lure: yes, I'm writing that now, and we've got notes on the config UI from el
[05:21] <Lure> good...
[05:21] <Riddell> Hobbsee: they won't eed to work anythin out, it should work fine out the box
[05:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: true, but sometimes people like changing their settings
[05:22] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_
[05:22] <Lure> Hobbsee: the only setting is probably what to do on Suspend key and what to do on low-power condition (if we look like gpm)
[05:22] <DaSkreech> \sh: http://solid.kde.org
[05:22] <Lure> hi Tonio_
[05:23] <Hobbsee> Lure: true - would there be different settings for if the laptop is on AC vs battery power?
[05:23] <Hobbsee> like in kpowersave?
[05:23] <Hobbsee> or would we lose that?
[05:23] <Tonio_> hey Lure
[05:23] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes, we'd have different settings for plugged in and unplugged
[05:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell: cool :)
[05:24] <Lure> Hobbsee: maybe - if we think it is important... But the issue with schema/profile is that it is hard to set it properly and then users do not do it at all
[05:24] <Lure> this is why good defaults are better than complex config options (imho)
[05:25] <Lure> Hobbsee: who said that I will write the code ;-)?
[05:25] <Hobbsee> Lure: true...maybe blank screen screensaver on battery power?  suspends more quickly on battery than on AC
[05:25] <Lure> Hobbsee: our super-Riddell will do it (we have seen his powers with Dapper ;-))
[05:25] <Hobbsee> Lure: true, oh, you were on *looking at the code* duty, not writing it
[05:25] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:25] <DaSkreech> Super Cow powers?
[05:26] <imbrandon> Ponnie Powers
[05:26] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: noyoucannothaveapony.
[05:26] <Lure> Hobbsee: yes, I think we need to write use-cases like the one you mention above and then discuss what make sense and what now
[05:26] <Lure> s/now/not/
[05:26] <mornfall> what what?
[05:26] <Hobbsee> heya mornfall - you can go back to sleep :P
[05:26] <mornfall> i was not asleep
[05:26] <mornfall> :'(
[05:27] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, it's time for me to sleep, not you to
[05:27] <Lure> as much as I like kpowersave interface, I have also found out that at the end I do not use it that much, therefore it is questionable if needed in whole
[05:27] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, edgy eft +11 == Power Pony  kthxbye
[05:27] <mornfall> wtf?
[05:28] <imbrandon> mornfall, its a running joke in -devel / -motu about ponies
[05:28] <bddebian> heh
[05:28] <mornfall> the wtf goes to the kthxbye
[05:28] <DaSkreech>  /. ?
[05:28] <Hobbsee> Lure: +1
[05:28] <imbrandon> ahh thats a l337 h4xor joke ( bad one at that )
[05:28] <mornfall> (which is basically an euphemism for go fuck yourself as far is i know)
[05:29] <bddebian> h4XX0r, come on man :)
[05:29] <imbrandon> mornfall, basicly unless ment in the playfull way it was said ;)
[05:29] <mornfall> ookey
[05:30] <imbrandon> lol @ bddebian
[05:30] <Hobbsee> mornfall: also a satire of the "oh please can you help me questoins, when they leave about 30 seconds later"
[05:31] <mornfall> Riddell: could you maybe poke el whether she has my headphones? :))
[05:31] <Riddell> mornfall: I'm in my room
[05:32] <mornfall> damn
[05:32] <mornfall> let's try ervin
[05:32] <DaSkreech> Where's the paris-following-page?
[05:32] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: /topic
[05:33] <DaSkreech> Ah knew I saw it somewhere :)
[05:33] <Hobbsee> haha
[05:33] <imbrandon> Riddell, while in paris hold a gun to the person responsible for the cert warning and make them fix it infront of you LOL
[05:34] <Hobbsee> +25 imbrandon
[05:34] <Hobbsee> just make sure you dont fire it :P
[05:34] <Riddell> that might not be a popular idea if we killed the canonical sysadmin
[05:34] <imbrandon> right right , no bullets in the gun, just scare them ;)
[05:34] <Hobbsee> haha
[05:35] <imbrandon> haha
[05:35] <Riddell> and we might find a lot of unanswered support requests in future after that
[05:35] <imbrandon> lol
[05:35] <imbrandon> right right , no bullets in the gun, just scare them ;)
[05:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you wouldnt want his job instead?
[05:36] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, *still building*
[05:36] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:36] <DaSkreech> http://italy.copybase.ch/blog/lista-repository-sourceslist-ottimizzata-per-ubuntu-kubuntu-linux/
[05:36] <DaSkreech> ^^ Insta broken system ^^
[05:37] <\sh> DaSkreech: kinda
[05:37] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hah
[05:37] <Hobbsee> i'd hate to think how long it would take here then.
[05:37] <imbrandon> shiznit
[05:37] <imbrandon> just errored
[05:37] <imbrandon> *looks*
[05:38] <imbrandon> right at the end too when doing the dh_*
[05:38] <imbrandon> grrr
[05:39] <Hobbsee> ooh, pictures!
[05:39] <Riddell> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jriddell/archives/date-posted/2006/06/19/detail/ has my pics
[05:39] <nixternal> moin everyone
[05:39] <Riddell> and we got dapper CDs!
[05:40] <Riddell> hola nixternal
[05:40] <imbrandon> heya nixternal
[05:40] <imbrandon> DAPPER CD!!!
[05:40] <Hobbsee> well, a blog and pictures :P
[05:40] <imbrandon> you suxor
[05:40] <\sh> uh oh ah...aron looks awful ..
[05:40] <imbrandon> Riddell, those from paris ?
[05:40] <Hobbsee> that was just scary.
[05:41] <Riddell> imbrandon: yes
[05:41] <Hobbsee> dodgem cars, i was never allowed on them :(
[05:41] <Riddell> Hobbsee: whyever not?
[05:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: age limit of >12
[05:41] <imbrandon> lol
[05:42] <nixternal> i still ride em any chance i get ;)
[05:42] <jsgotangco> errr where did you ride the bumpcar? disneyland?
[05:42] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: was that to me?
[05:42] <nixternal> jsgotangco: you know kiddie land?
[05:42] <Riddell> Hobbsee: crazy
[05:42] <jsgotangco> no
[05:42] <nixternal> chicago
[05:42] <Riddell> jsgotangco: in the village down the road, they had a fete on Sunday
[05:42] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[05:42] <Hobbsee> and then luna park closed down pretty soon after that - and dad's work didnt give us all tickets there again :P
[05:43] <DaSkreech> There is work to get Ubuntu on OLPC?
[05:44] <Riddell> DaSkreech: we have some OLPC people here, but red hat is mostly funding it
[05:44] <Riddell> well, mostly as in more than any other distro
[05:44] <jsgotangco> yeah
[05:44] <DaSkreech> I know. What place would Ubuntu have?
[05:44] <DaSkreech> It's a medium priority on the Paris schedule
[05:44] <Riddell> some of their customers might want to run ubuntu on it
[05:45] <jsgotangco> DaSkreech: its rodovarus' job to do that =)
[05:45] <Riddell> but I don't care either way, it's unlikely to have KDE on it
[05:45] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:45] <DaSkreech> :-)
[05:45] <imbrandon> food THEN sleep ;)
[05:45] <Hobbsee> hmmm....
[05:45] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: http://www.cafepress.com/ubuntushop.14580748
[05:46] <imbrandon> Hobbsee / Riddell .... http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/721141
[05:46] <Hobbsee> oh, looks like we're going to have a fun bit for our next kubuntu meeting too...
[05:46] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: hah, nice
[05:46] <Hobbsee> a user talking about the privacy settings of kopete
[05:46] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: *.pastebin.com is dying...
[05:47] <imbrandon> i see , whats another pastebin
[05:47] <Hobbsee> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonQuestions
[05:47] <Hobbsee> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[05:47] <Hobbsee> ignore the first link - copy key didnt work correctly
[05:48] <imbrandon> lol i was like wtf
[05:48] <imbrandon> lol
[05:48] <imbrandon> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16091
[05:48] <imbrandon> ^^ Hobbsee / Riddell
[05:49] <nixternal> i want a kubuntu mug ;(
[05:49] <raphink> nixternal: I have one right here
[05:49] <raphink> with a hot tea in it :)
[05:49] <imbrandon> heheh
[05:49] <nixternal> where did you get it?
[05:49] <Riddell> imbrandon: you're probably missing some build-dep
[05:49] <imbrandon> cafeepress will make a mug with any logo
[05:49] <nixternal> finish the tea and email me the cup ;)
[05:49] <DaSkreech> Yeah bring that up in Paris :)
[05:50] <raphink> nixternal: at linuxtag :)
[05:50] <nixternal> ahhh
[05:50] <Riddell> kubuntu.de has kubuntu mugs
[05:50] <imbrandon> Riddell, i installed all it called for
[05:50] <nixternal> roger that...im on it
[05:50] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: See It's even Kustomizable. It's much more KDE like :-)
[05:50] <raphink> apt-get install kubuntu-mug
[05:50] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: libvisual0.2-dev is a b-d?
[05:50] <imbrandon> but i used the debian dir from 1.4.0a
[05:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2457
[05:50] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, not sure i'll look
[05:50] <freeflying-g4> imbrandon: you use 1.4.0's rules for amarok-1.4.1-beta1 ?
[05:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's changed?
[05:51] <apachelogger> debianizer is now Hobbsee, dep against jasper-runtime
[05:51] <nixternal> [10:50]  <raphink> apt-get install kubuntu-mug
[05:51] <nixternal> what repository is that in ?
[05:51] <raphink> goodies
[05:51] <nixternal> superduperverse
[05:51] <imbrandon> deb cafepress.com ./
[05:52] <imbrandon> superdeverse LOL
[05:52] <nixternal> deb will work with a .com extenesion?
[05:52] <raphink> deb http://kubuntu.org/ubuntu dapper goodies
[05:52] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: er, libvisual0.2-dev is already a b-d
[05:52] <raphink> nixternal: sure
[05:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: cool
[05:53] <raphink> nixternal: did you ever notice that you use archive.ubuntu.COM in your sources.list ?
[05:53] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, yea it is
[05:53] <imbrandon> *thinks*
[05:53] <imbrandon> freeflying-g4, yes i did
[05:53] <nixternal> ahhh ga
[05:53] <nixternal> hehe
[05:54] <freeflying-g4> imbrandon: heh, you'd modify it
[05:55] <imbrandon> gnight Hobbsee
[05:55] <DaSkreech> nigh Hobbsee
[05:55] <DaSkreech> .o0(Mushrooms?)
[05:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: should be complete now - finally ;-)
[05:56] <Hobbsee> should, yes :P
[05:57] <imbrandon> Riddell, is there a better way to build 1.4.1 other than comping the debian/* from 1.4.0a ? IE whats the prefered way ?
[05:57] <Riddell> imbrandon: that sounds like the best way
[05:58] <imbrandon> hrm ok , here is what i did
[05:59] <imbrandon> i make the orig.tar.gz from the upstream tar.bz2 and then untared it , copied the debian/* from 1.4.0a and changed the changelog and debuild ( did a apt-get build-dep amarok before all that )
[05:59] <imbrandon> thats the error from debuild
[05:59] <imbrandon> hrm ....
[06:00] <freeflying-g4> imbrandon: also you may add the amarok-gstreamer,this release support gstreamer
[06:01] <apachelogger> nah
[06:01] <apachelogger> better don't do that
[06:01] <apachelogger> gst is kind of absolutely not working
[06:01] <apachelogger> only local media
[06:01] <imbrandon> freeflying-g4, if i can get it to build yes ( even though xine is better IMHO lol )
[06:01] <apachelogger> streams will crash, or lag lag lag
[06:01] <apachelogger> btw
[06:02] <apachelogger> the problem is that 1.4.1-beta1 depends on libvisual 0.4
[06:02] <apachelogger> not 0.2
[06:02] <imbrandon> hrm looks
[06:02] <apachelogger> to quote myself: "* Now libvisual 0.4 is needed for visualisations" ;-)
[06:02] <imbrandon> doh
[06:02] <imbrandon> ok lemme go change that
[06:03] <freeflying-g4> imbrandon: to meet the build-dep you'd add kubuntu's repo
[06:03] <imbrandon> freeflying-g4, i did / have
[06:03] <kwwii> re
[06:03] <imbrandon> freeflying-g4, i have all the kubuntu repos in the chroot
[06:03] <imbrandon> apachelogger, E: Couldn't find package libvisual0.4-dev
[06:04] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: might need to package that too?
[06:04] <apachelogger> 0.4 is not in repo
[06:04] <imbrandon> nice
[06:04] <imbrandon> lol
[06:05] <imbrandon> apachelogger, got the src deb's for it ?
[06:05] <imbrandon> or should i just grab upstream
[06:05] <imbrandon> lol
[06:05] <Hobbsee> besides, how do you have src debs?  isnt that an oxymoron?
[06:06] <apachelogger> somehow :P
[06:06] <imbrandon> src for the debs
[06:06] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:06] <apachelogger> imbrandon: so, sources for ...?
[06:06] <apachelogger> libvis or Amarok?
[06:06] <imbrandon> amarok
[06:06] <imbrandon> err
[06:06] <imbrandon> libvis
[06:06] <apachelogger> nope
[06:06] <imbrandon> i got amarok
[06:06] <apachelogger> I'm not sure whether 0.4 is in debian at all
[06:06] <imbrandon> probbly not
[06:09] <nixternal> nite Hobbsee
[06:10] <mornfall> night Hobbsee
[06:10] <apachelogger> knite Hobbsee
[06:11] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: hahahahaha!
[06:12] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: huh?
[06:12] <DaSkreech> Instead of Gnight. Knite?
[06:14] <DaSkreech> I have someone in the office nearly the same way
[06:14] <apachelogger> hehe
[06:14] <DaSkreech> Won't use anything with a k in it Esp. if it's at the start of the word/name/sentence
[06:14] <apachelogger> just for the holy Krail ;-)
[06:17] <Riddell> at the channel
[06:18] <goldenear> Hi Riddell
[06:18] <Riddell> hi goldenear, where are you?
[06:18] <goldenear> Sorry I had many work during the last couple of day
[06:19] <seaLne> boab also no longer has kubuntu-desktop
[06:19] <goldenear> Riddell: I should be at the conference tomorrow afternoon
[06:19] <Riddell> goldenear: great
[06:20] <Riddell> goldenear: bring a sleepnig bag, you can sleep with the others on the floor of my room :)
[06:20] <Riddell> seaLne: actually not for edgy, but good point
[06:20] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, thought you was asleep ;)
[06:20] <Hobbsee> haha, that could be fun :P
[06:20] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: !! Bed!!!
[06:20] <Hobbsee> yeah well...i'm going i'm going..
[06:20] <Hobbsee> my room is lit only by my computer screen now, does that count?
[06:21] <imbrandon> and dont take the laptop to bed with you
[06:21] <goldenear> Riddell: I hope we'll have time to speak about oskar
[06:21] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hah - it overheats if i do that :P
[06:21] <Riddell> goldenear: will you be here any other days?
[06:21] <Hobbsee> well, it might
[06:21] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:21] <goldenear> Riddell: I will try to do it
[06:22] <goldenear> Riddell: It depends on my work.. if they don't need me, I will be with you :)
[06:22] <Riddell> right
[06:22] <Riddell> we should be able to schedule in oskar UI session for tomorrow
[06:23] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Do you know anything about landscape?
[06:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell: wow, what's the diagram thing made out of ?
[06:23] <Hobbsee> that looks really nice!
[06:24] <Riddell> Hobbsee: inkscape
[06:24] <Riddell> DaSkreech: nothing
[06:24] <DaSkreech> Who would>
[06:24] <Riddell> DaSkreech: jane silb
[06:24] <Riddell> silber
[06:24] <DaSkreech> I get kind fo worried when empty packages get installed on everyon'e computer
[06:25] <DaSkreech> ubuntu-devel?
[06:25] <Riddell> she's not on ubuntu-devel
[06:25] <DaSkreech> Ah. No place I can have a quick chat?
[06:25] <goldenear> Riddell: Great, also tomorrow is "la fte de la musique"... I hope we could go for a walk in Paris. There we'll be many people playing music :)
[06:25] <Hobbsee> uh oh...i hear thumping...*sneaks quickly and quietly off to bed before she gets yelled at*
[06:25] <Riddell> DaSkreech: you'd need to e-mail her
[06:26] <Riddell> goldenear: yes, people have said we have to go to Paris to see it
[06:26] <Riddell> goldenear: how are you getting here? another car might be handy
[06:26] <goldenear> Riddell: I'll guide you if want :)
[06:26] <Riddell><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:27] <goldenear> Riddell: I've will take the RER (train) I have no car here in Paris (too boring)
[06:28] <Riddell> ok
[06:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: where are you ?
[06:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: in my room
[06:31] <Tonio_> ah okay sorry ;)
[06:32] <Riddell> anything fun downstairs?
[06:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: except aaron showing stupid videos, that quite calm :)
[06:58] <imbrandon> Riddell, how can i get rid of this annoying message in chroot when i build something
[06:58] <imbrandon> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
[06:58] <imbrandon> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[06:59] <imbrandon> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[06:59] <imbrandon>         LANGUAGE = (unset),
[06:59] <imbrandon>         LC_ALL = (unset),
[06:59] <imbrandon>         LANG = "en_US.UTF-8"
[06:59] <imbrandon>     are supported and installed on your system.
[06:59] <imbrandon> ...
[07:18] <apachelogger> imbrandon: set LC_ALL and LANGUAGE in your chroot's env ;-)
[07:18] <imbrandon> thanks
[07:42] <\sh> re
[07:44] <jpatrick> f/d \sh
[07:44] <\sh> grmpf....forgot to screen -r brb
[07:52] <lnxkde> kde svn 4 debs on edgy>?
[07:53] <\sh> looks like
[07:53] <lnxkde> well time to edgy update :D
[07:53] <DaSkreech> Not yet!
[07:53] <lnxkde> :( why!!!!!!!!!!1
[07:54] <\sh> it's planned...
[07:54] <\sh> but edgy is too young for that
[07:54] <lnxkde> I see
[07:56] <DaSkreech> And KDE4 is young as well
[07:56] <DaSkreech> almost immoral :(
[07:59] <DaSkreech> lnxkde: You can go on making your alternate install in any case :)
[07:59] <lnxkde> yeah I will :)
[07:59] <lnxkde> but I dont have to much time lately
[07:59] <lnxkde> working my bussiness :)
[07:59] <DaSkreech> Then you are an apt-get dist-upgrade away from edgy
[07:59] <DaSkreech> Ah well
[07:59] <DaSkreech>  Blog it :)
[08:00] <lnxkde> blof what?
[08:00] <lnxkde> blog what my bussines?
[08:00] <DaSkreech> Oh no
[08:00] <DaSkreech> That's boring :)
[08:01] <DaSkreech> The Edgy update :)
[08:01] <lnxkde> :P
[08:01] <lnxkde> I will
[08:01] <lnxkde> busines is not boring!!!
[08:01] <lnxkde> when you are going to get more than 100,000 a years in 8 months it is not boring :D
[08:02] <lnxkde> a year*
[08:02] <DaSkreech> But ... it's not KDE4 :(
[08:02] <lnxkde> lol
[08:02] <lnxkde> :)
[08:02] <lnxkde> yeah I know :)
[08:02] <bddebian> How can you get more than 100,000/year in 8 months? :-)
[08:03] <lnxkde> selling drugs :)
[08:03] <lnxkde> na!
[08:03] <lnxkde> I work with finances
[08:03] <lnxkde> I am building a bussiness on life insurance, securitys (stocks), Morgages
[08:04] <lnxkde> and some other services people need
[08:04] <DaSkreech> bddebian: very long weekends?
[08:04] <bddebian> :-)
[08:04] <lnxkde> bddebian u live were?
[08:04] <bddebian> US
[08:04] <lnxkde> nice
[08:05] <lnxkde> It is a busness that lets you build a francise
[08:05] <lnxkde> it is part of citigroup :)
[08:06] <lnxkde> bddebian : www.primerica.com
[08:07] <bddebian> Ah yes, I am familiar
[08:07] <bddebian> It's called a pyramind scheme ;-P
[08:08] <lnxkde> well some people talk about it like that but when you have to take federal licences and state licences and you are paryt of the most powerfull financial company ( citigroup) the pyramid like you say becomes a very powerfull and reliable oportunity :)
[08:10] <lnxkde> It is very nice :) the only thing get me mad about it
[08:10] <lnxkde> is that the tools only run on windows :*(
[08:10] <bddebian> Made any money yet?
[08:12] <lnxkde> yea
[08:12] <lnxkde> I am right now at nice moment in the busness :)
[08:12] <lnxkde> one year here :)
[08:13] <lnxkde> I get pay as soon sell something
[08:14] <lnxkde> it takes like 5 days to get the money in my check acount :)
[08:14] <lnxkde> I just changed my focus to work fulltime on this
[08:14] <bddebian> So 1 year and you haven't sold anything? :-)
[08:14] <lnxkde> what is why in about 8 months or so I must be in very good income
[08:14] <lnxkde> no, I have sold alot of things
[08:15] <lnxkde> I am just telling you how fast I get paid
[08:16] <lnxkde> next week I will get like 1,000 for this week activity :) that I hope today I have to nice apointments
[08:16] <lnxkde> but well
[08:16] <lnxkde> KDE 4 is nicer :p
[08:16] <imbrandon> Riddell, ping
[08:17] <DaSkreech> Where can I find a German Dictionary?
[08:17] <lnxkde> I just will like to see KDE4 and  plasma alpha realeses soon enoght
[08:19] <linuxmonkey> imbrandon: got something good for ya Riddell
[08:20] <DaSkreech> Banannas?
[08:21] <imbrandon> amarok 1.4.1-beta1
[08:21] <linuxmonkey> and I love it
[08:29] <DaSkreech> Is there a kopete 0.12 in the repos?
[08:30] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, no but its on ~/riddell for testing
[08:31] <imbrandon> bah gotta fix some depends
[08:31] <DaSkreech> ~/riddel?
[08:31] <imbrandon> http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kopete/
[08:32] <DaSkreech> of course :)
[08:53] <lnxkde> Riddell !!
[08:54] <lnxkde> Riddell nice litlle tv pic about linux :) and ubuntu in http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell
[08:54] <lnxkde> got any more?
[08:54] <lnxkde> I like downloading videos about linux and nice opensource stuff
[09:02] <DaSkreech> TV pic?
[09:03] <DaSkreech> linuxmonkey does!!!
[09:03] <DaSkreech>  :)
[09:04] <claydoh> I would, if I could get a good 3d effect
[09:04] <claydoh> :)
[09:04] <linuxmonkey> i got Tux on my right arm
[09:05] <linuxmonkey> get tux he's gonna be around for a bit
[09:05] <DaSkreech> Food?
[09:06] <claydoh> ya, but it won't be "rebellious" it will be common and over used :)
[09:06] <DaSkreech> I think Food will probably be relevant
[09:06] <DaSkreech> as long as it's not a pill by then :()
[09:06] <linuxmonkey> lmao
[09:07] <linuxmonkey> DaSkreech: in your case its gonna be via a tube
[09:07] <claydoh> although an obscenity in binary would be neat
[09:07] <DaSkreech> Why don't people ever encode messages ofgood will?
[09:09] <imbrandon> lol
[09:09] <linuxmonkey> lol
[09:09] <imbrandon> kubuntu in binary
[09:09] <claydoh> dunno, tho an obcenity isn't necessarily bad will, just a dirty word
[09:10] <imbrandon> "Bill Gates to retire in 2008 but realy leave in 2010 becouse MS is always late kthxbye" in binary
[09:10] <imbrandon> or Unicode Hex :0
[09:10] <imbrandon> Unicode UTF-8 Hex
[09:11] <linuxmonkey> bill gates retire...ya right
[09:12] <linuxmonkey> its like that commercial hands in my pockets
[09:16] <Riddell> imbrandon: pong
[09:17] <Riddell> imbrandon: export LANG=C
[09:17] <linuxmonkey> Ridell whats up, he's compiling the new amarok_1.4.1-beta1
[09:17] <imbrandon> kk yea , i got amarok built and libvis 0.4 too
[09:18] <imbrandon> rebuilding after fixing something  now
[09:18] <imbrandon> then i'll upload
[09:18] <imbrandon> me and linuxmonkey and nixternal been trying ti out , its VERY nice
[09:19] <imbrandon> alot of UI inprovements over 1.4.0
[09:22] <linuxmonkey> imbrandon: you about done compiling the fixed version
[09:22] <imbrandon> yea its uploading now
[09:22] <linuxmonkey> lol kk
[09:22] <linuxmonkey> slow upload ...lol
[09:25] <DaSkreech> Hey It logged into AIM :)
[09:48] <imbrandon> Riddell, ping ..... uploaded ready for url ?
[09:54] <imbrandon> gah n/m just found something
[09:54] <imbrandon> *rebuilds*
[09:56] <DaSkreech> *laughs*
[09:56] <DaSkreech> I don't know if I can build Beats of Rage for Linux :(
[09:57] <imbrandon> i realy need to figure out how to get ccache and distcc working with debuild
[09:58] <imbrandon> lol
[09:58] <\sh> is anyone going to the TB meeting?
[09:58] <\sh> if so, please excuse my not attending the second time, but this umts connection is too unstable#
[10:11] <DaSkreech> Anyone have any ideas on what would be emptying /etc/resolv.conf every 20 minutes?
[10:12] <crimsun> dhclient possibly, depending on the lease period
[10:12] <DaSkreech> dhclient?
[10:13] <DaSkreech> Why?
[10:28] <toma> dhcp server distributes nameservers
[10:28] <toma> or doesnt in your case
[11:14] <imbrandon> Riddell, ping ( all done and tested this time lol )
[11:17] <linuxmonkey> lol
[11:18] <imbrandon> anyone awake thats running kde 3.5.3 and wanna try the new amarok beta ?
[11:18] <crimsun> no, but I'm running Windows.
[11:19] <linuxmonkey> lol
[11:19] <imbrandon> lol
[11:20] <linuxmonkey> do we dare ask why he's running windows
[11:20] <claydoh> no
[11:20] <imbrandon> i wouldent linuxmonkey
[11:20] <claydoh> maybe hes at werk
[11:20] <linuxmonkey> it must be hell for him
[11:20] <claydoh> it is for me
[11:20] <toma> he is testing kde4...
[11:20] <imbrandon> heh
[11:21] <linuxmonkey> lmao good one toma
[11:21] <imbrandon> windows vista , built on qt4 ;)
[11:21] <imbrandon> that would be too funny
[11:22] <linuxmonkey> i put in a request for linux at work and got denied in less than 2 seconds
[11:22] <claydoh> well we only have a POS system with 3 registers and 2 cheeep dell workstations, one is the POS server
[11:22] <claydoh> take POS in any way you wish
[11:23] <claydoh> its a POS POS
[11:23] <linuxmonkey> lmao
[11:23] <claydoh> *but* we are using OOo, and FF is installed
[11:23] <claydoh> the web interface simply does not work with FF ot Konq
[11:24] <claydoh> tho if I downgraded java to 1.4, i think the inventory system would work
[11:25] <imbrandon> heh
[11:25] <imbrandon> damn vendor lock in
[11:25] <claydoh> amarok isn't any harder to compile than usuaal?
[11:25] <crimsun> linuxmonkey: he's using an airport terminal
[11:26] <imbrandon> nah well you have to use libvisual0.4 now instead of 0.2 but other than that no
[11:26] <linuxmonkey> hack it and run a kubuntu live cd
[11:26] <linuxmonkey> lol
[11:26] <claydoh> I'd be shot on sight :)
[11:27] <crimsun> linuxmonkey: on a kiosk with no optical drive? roit...
[11:27] <crimsun> that's some hacking
[11:27] <nixternal> lol
[11:27] <linuxmonkey> lol yup
[11:27] <nixternal> a kiosk w/ no external anything but a screen and some punch keys
[11:27] <nixternal> maybe a keyboard if your lucky
[11:28] <linuxmonkey> security walks up and ask what are you doing....hrmmmm securing this terminal
[12:00] <imbrandon_> Riddell: http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/packages/  <-- amarok 1.4.1-beta1 and the required libvisual0.4 and libvisual0.4-dev ( I packaged from upstream but not in debian yet ) also setup as a repo if you want to just add my pubkey ( http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/packages/pubkey.html )
[12:00] <imbrandon_> ^^ i'm off to take a nap, PM me if you need something else


[00:00] <pleia2> I think they're doing a pretty good job, short of actually writing the Mir support for every DE
[00:16] <rww> GNUdru: Can you address the point I made earlier? Specifically, as far as I know Xmir covers X compatibility, so programs that work on Xorg (including, say, openbox and xfce...) should work fine on Mir.
[00:17] <rww> Thus it would seem to me that the "followable trail" is to use xorg for the next release or two, then switch to xmir, and in the meantime maybe find a developer to make a mir backend for their window manager (or not and just continue using xmir)
[00:17] <rww> but perhaps my understanding is flawed, since I haven't read every single mailing list post about this :)
[00:23] <pleia2> rww: strictly speaking they don't even need to stay on xorg, they all work with XMir now http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTM5NDQ
[00:23] <darthrobot> Title: [[Phoronix] Xfce, LXDE, & GNOME Are Running On Ubuntu XMir]
[00:24] <pleia2> I think the question is whether Mir is ready for prime time, which is probably why LXDE is sticking with xorg this cycle
[00:42] <philipballew> Always been a fan of LXDE
[07:53] <rww> pleia2: Indeed. The "next release or two" bit was so the Ubuntu users can find all the bugs first ;)


[12:07] <Unit193> assaultcube can be fixed with debian/patches/0010-fix-some-errors-and-warnings-for-GCC6.patch (http://paste.openstack.org/show/XTOoWr9ri4GlYu5tisZM) fairly easily, fwiw.
[20:40] <wxl> hey folks. looking for a sponsor for konversation in yakkety i'm trying to sru https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/yakkety/+source/konversation/+bug/1635911