[09:39] <siji> how to create *kernel.jffs2
[09:44] <lool> I have no idea what that is
[09:48] <siji> lool, am tryng to put both kernel and rootfs inside the nand memory
[09:49] <siji> And i think nand memory will support only jffs2 file system
[09:50] <siji> so need to convert both kerenl and rootfs to .jffs2 format
[09:51] <lool> siji: What board is this on?
[09:51] <siji> Compulab,CMX 300
[09:52] <lool> What SoC is that?
[09:52] <siji> Soc means ??
[09:52] <siji> chip?
[09:52] <lool> Yes
[09:52] <siji> marvel pxa 300
[10:04] <lool> siji: that's v5 right?
[10:04] <lool> siji: Only jaunty supports that
[10:04] <lool> siji: What bootloader does it use?
[10:10] <siji> it's using compulab's customised u boot
[11:09] <lool> siji: So I understand you can either partition the flash space to have a kernel and a rootfs zone and load them from there or you can put the kernel in the rootfs and tell uboot to load it from there (kernel in rootfs in flash)
[11:09] <lool> siji: Did you look in the two options?
[11:09] <siji> lool, yes
[11:10] <siji> it's taking the rootfs too
[11:10] <ogra> lool, do you have any idea about http://paste.ubuntu.com/273349/ ?
[11:10] <ogra> Sep 17 17:59:48 in-target: update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.31-100-imx51
[11:10] <ogra> Sep 17 17:59:48 in-target: readlink: missing operand
[11:10] <ogra> Sep 17 17:59:48 in-target: Try `readlink --help' for more information.
[11:10] <ogra> Sep 17 17:59:48 in-target: mkinitramfs: missing  root  /sys entry
[11:10] <ogra> Sep 17 17:59:48 in-target: mkinitramfs: workaround is MODULES=most
[11:10] <ogra> Sep 17 17:59:48 in-target: mkinitramfs: Error please report the bug
[11:10] <lool> siji: Sorry can't parse what you said
[11:10] <ogra>         if [ -L /initrd.img -a -e /initrd.img ]; then
[11:10] <ogra>                 linktarget="$(basename "$(readlink /initrd.img)")"
[11:10] <ogra>         fi
[11:10] <ogra>         if [ -L /boot/initrd.img -a -e /boot/initrd.img ]; then
[11:10] <ogra>                 linktarget="$(basename "$(readlink /boot/initrd.img)")"
[11:10] <ogra>         fi
[11:11] <ogra> neither of the initrd.img files exist
[11:11] <siji> lool,it's giving error kernel panic
[11:11] <ogra> the if statement is never fulfilled
[11:11] <ogra> but still update-initramfs calls readlink
[11:12] <lool> siji: So your kernel gets loaded then
[11:12] <siji> yes
[11:14] <lool> ogra: Are you sure it's failing on that spot?
[11:14] <lool> ogra: Can you run in-target update-initramfs -c manually with set -x?
[11:14] <ogra> no, just moved forward and i see outfile="$(readlink -f "$outfile")"
[11:15] <ogra> in mkinitramfs
[11:15] <lool> There are more uses of readlink in update-initramfs than the one you quoted and the one you quoted seem sufficiently protected that they wouldn't fail
[11:15] <ogra> and i think i fell for a red herring anyway
 Sep 17 17:59:48 in-target: mkinitramfs: missing  root  /sys entry
[11:15] <ogra> that must be the actual error
[11:15] <lool> siji: So your issue is perhaps with your root= cmdline?
[11:16] <siji> can u just give me the cmd line
[11:16] <lool> ogra: Yes
[11:16] <siji> to boot frm nand
[11:16] <lool> ogra: hook-functions has for instnace sys_walk_mod_add which looks like it would fail if /sys isn't mounted
[11:17] <ogra>  if [ -z "${block}" ] || [ ! -e /sys/block/${block} ]; then
[11:17] <ogra> echo "mkinitramfs: missing ${block} root ${root} /sys entry"
[11:17] <ogra> crap so d-i (or rather base-installer) didnt mount sys
[11:17] <lool> ogra: well that error is afterwards
[11:17] <lool> ogra: Run with -x
[11:18] <lool> siji: I'm not sure
[11:18] <lool> siji: What's your kernel version?  I think it's something likeroot=jffs2/rootfs or something
[11:18] <ogra> lool, well, /sys isnt mounted in /target
[11:18] <ogra> so update-initramfs cant find out which modules it needs
[11:18] <lool> siji: http://www.denx.de/wiki/DULG/RootFileSystemOnAJFFS2FileSystem
[11:19] <lool> ogra: Did you verify that was the issue or is it an hypothesis?
[11:19] <ogra> lool, i see that /sys isnt mounted
[11:19] <ogra> i'm still in the d-i shell directly after the failure
[11:19] <ogra> ~ # mount
[11:19] <ogra> rootfs on / type rootfs (rw)
[11:19] <ogra> none on /proc type proc (rw,relatime)
[11:19] <ogra> none on /sys type sysfs (rw,relatime)
[11:19] <ogra> tmpfs on /dev type tmpfs (rw,relatime)
[11:20] <ogra> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,relatime,gid=5,mode=620,ptmxmode=000)
[11:20] <ogra> /dev/sda1 on /target type ext4 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,barrier=1,data=ordered)
[11:20] <ogra> /dev/sda1 on /dev/.static/dev type ext4 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,barrier=1,data=ordered)
[11:20] <siji> lool,yes the kernel is in jffs2 format
[11:20] <ogra> tmpfs on /target/dev type tmpfs (rw,relatime)
[11:21] <lool> ogra: That might be the issue; I wonder if it's a recent change and whether it affects other arches
[11:21] <ogra> lool, i doubt that, its the A6 candidate image
[11:21] <ogra> that would have shown up during testing on other arches
[11:22] <lool> ogra: I dont see the architecture specific issue though
[11:22] <ogra> me neither but clearly neither /proc nor /sys are actually mounted
[11:23] <ogra> which is the cause for the error i see
[11:25] <lool> ogra: So you verified it's enough to mount /sys to fix the install?
[11:25] <ogra> to bad i'm on serial, else i could repeat the whole thing and watch it from a second console
[11:25] <ogra> no, i cant easily do that
[11:26] <ogra> if i start over now, it will reformat /target and start over with a base install
[11:26] <ogra> and i dont have a second console to manually mount /sys
[11:26] <lool> ogra: You could go to target, dpkg -C and see if mounting /sys resolves it
[11:28] <ogra> -C ?
[11:28] <ogra> you mean --configure -a
[11:28]  * ogra tries so ... i didnt touch /target yet to not taint the status of it
[11:29] <ogra> its hard to get to the same point again (having to copy around firmware and modules for the netinstall to even work)
[11:29] <lool> ogra: Perhaps it would be best to defer until next debian-installer upload?
[11:30] <ogra> # dpkg --configure -a
[11:30] <ogra> Setting up linux-image-2.6.31-100-imx51 (2.6.31-100.7) ...
[11:30] <ogra> Running depmod.
[11:30] <ogra> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.31-100-imx51
[11:30] <ogra> readlink: missing operand
[11:30] <ogra> Try `readlink --help' for more information.
[11:30] <ogra> mkinitramfs: missing  root  /sys entry
[11:30] <ogra> mkinitramfs: workaround is MODULES=most
[11:30] <ogra> mkinitramfs: Error please report the bug
[11:30] <ogra> update-initramfs: failed for /boot/initrd.img-2.6.31-100-imx51
[11:30] <ogra> Failed to create initrd image.
[11:30] <ogra> :/
[11:30] <ogra> sys is mounted
[11:30] <ogra> and i can list /sys/block
[11:30] <ogra> hrm
[11:30] <ogra> err
[11:31] <lool> Wasn't that obvious that it was /sys   ;-)
[11:31] <lool> ogra: How about you set -x ?
[11:32] <ogra> one sec
[11:32] <ogra> there are supposed to be filled variables before root and after /sys in "missing  root  /sys entry"
[11:33] <lool> How about you set -x ?
[11:33] <lool> :-P
[11:37] <ogra> http://paste.ubuntu.com/273378/ ...
[11:37]  * ogra tries in mkinitramfs
[11:37] <lool> ogra: in mkinitramfs
[11:37] <lool> right
[11:38] <ogra> http://paste.ubuntu.com/273380/
[11:39] <ogra> # ls /dev/root
[11:39] <ogra> ls: cannot access /dev/root: No such file or directory
[11:39] <ogra> aha
[11:40] <siji> hey lool,
[11:40] <siji> mtd0: 00040000 00020000 "OBM"
[11:40] <siji> mtd1: 00040000 00020000 "U-Boot"
[11:40] <siji> mtd2: 00040000 00020000 "Environment"
[11:40] <siji> mtd3: 00140000 00020000 "reserved"
[11:40] <siji> mtd4: 00400000 00020000 "kernel"
[11:40] <siji> mtd5: 1fa00000 00020000 "fs"
[11:40] <siji> this is the nand partition table
[11:41] <ogra> must be somewhere between line 218 and 226
[11:42] <ogra> hmm, it uses the output from "mount"
[11:42] <ogra> which is empty
[11:42] <ogra> (well empty beyond sys and proc)
[11:42] <lool> ogra: $(mount | awk '/\/dev\// {if ($3 == "/") {print "root=" $1 "\nFSTYPE=" $5; exit}}')
[11:43] <ogra> yeah
[11:43] <lool> siji: Read that wiki page I mentionned?
[11:43] <siji> ok
[11:43] <siji> oh,it was for me :)
[11:43] <ogra> # mount
[11:43] <ogra> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[11:43] <ogra> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
[11:43] <lool> ogra: see dep_add_modules() in hook-functions
[11:43] <siji> i thought that it's for ogra :)
[11:43] <lool> ogra: so where are you installing to?
[11:44] <ogra> /dev/sda1
[11:44] <siji> srry
[11:44] <lool> ogra: can you compare with /proc/mounts?
[11:44] <ogra> USB key
[11:44] <ogra> # mount
[11:44] <ogra> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
[11:44] <ogra> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[11:44] <ogra> # cat /proc/mounts
[11:44] <ogra> rootfs / rootfs rw 0 0
[11:44] <ogra> none /proc proc rw,relatime 0 0
[11:44] <ogra> none /sys sysfs rw,relatime 0 0
[11:44] <ogra> tmpfs /dev tmpfs rw,relatime 0 0
[11:45] <ogra> devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,relatime,gid=5,mode=620,ptmxmode=000 0 0
[11:45] <ogra> /dev/sda1 / ext4 rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,barrier=1,data=ordered 0 0
[11:45] <ogra> /dev/sda1 /dev/.static/dev ext4 rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,barrier=1,data=ordered 0 0
[11:45] <ogra> tmpfs /dev tmpfs rw,relatime 0 0
[11:45] <ogra> proc /proc proc rw,relatime 0 0
[11:45] <lool> ogra: So your mtab isn't matching /proc/mounts; that code would work with /proc/mounts
[11:45] <lool> ogra: Now this has no reason of being architecture specific
[11:45] <ogra> right
[11:45] <lool> ogra: Is /etc/mtab different outside the target?
[11:45] <ogra> unles mount has a bug
[11:46] <ogra> mtab is identical to /proc/mounts outside target
[11:46] <ogra> and ot the mount output inside
[11:47] <lool> So this actually looks like an installer bug but I cant figure why it's only hitting us
[11:47] <ogra> i initially starte because my /vmlinuz symlink isnt created
[11:47] <lool> ?
[11:47] <ogra> and i think i heard NCommander say something like that a wek ago
[11:47] <lool> I dont get what you mwan
[11:48] <ogra> i saw the readlink error
[11:48] <ogra> and started debugging the kernel postinst, since i was suspecting the missing /vmlinuz and /initrd.img to be at fault
[11:48] <ogra> then moved forward to update-initramfs
[11:49] <ogra> to then get to mkinitramfs and the missing /sys ...
[11:49] <ogra> which now got me to the hooks
[11:49] <ogra> the point is that the obvious thing seems to be the missing symlinks
[11:49] <lool> Oh ok if you sya so
[11:49] <ogra> thats the error on the surface ...
[11:50] <ogra> and thats what NCommander dug in a week or two ago in his manually spun dove images
[11:50] <ogra> crawling through all of d-i if i understood that right, to find why his symlinks were missing
[11:51] <ogra> so it seems to happen on dove as well
[11:55] <lool> lunch
[12:16] <Stskeeps> hmm, is there a typical ubuntu rootfs tar.gz laying about that just uses fbdev?
[12:43] <lool> Stskeeps: I dont think we publish any regularly; we only build d-i images regularly; but you could easily build your own with rootstock
[12:43] <lool> It might be a bit borken since some days due to upstart
[12:43] <Stskeeps> k
[13:48] <lool> ogra: 427199 isn't on the report but is milestoned
[13:48] <lool> (from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+bugs?field.milestone=12715 )
[13:49] <ogra> ah, thanks, missed that one+
[13:52] <ogra> lool, thats all ?
[13:52] <lool> ogra: You can say "UNR theme" for the title of 430277
[13:53] <ogra> plars, can i strike mobile-unr-karmic-compliance-autotesting  from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic ?
[13:53] <lool> ogra: I'm slow because I'm chatting with telepathy people too
[13:53] <ogra> yep
[13:53] <ogra> saw that in the other chan.
[13:53] <lool> ogra: 430344 isn't on the report either
[13:53] <lool> but is on the milestoned bugs list
[13:57] <lool> ogra: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/423346
[13:57] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 423346 in usplash "[armel+dove] usplash does not currently work on Marvell Dove Y0 boards" [High,New]
[13:57] <lool> ogra: NCommander forgot to track in karmic...
[13:57] <ogra> ok
[13:57] <lool> NCommander: It's really CRUCIAL that you get that right
[14:02] <ogra> lool, do we really belive its still worth to track banshee ?
[14:02]  * ogra thinks that can be dropped from the report
[14:03] <ogra> while it's nice to have and i still hope dyfet finds the issue its really not release critical or even intresting for the release meeting
[14:07] <ogra> lool, wrt bug 424400 it might also be firmware thats missing ... though only GrueMaster can actually debug and confirm
[14:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 424400 in linux-fsl-imx51 "DM9601 or Pegasus based USB NICs dont find their MAC address under 2.6.31-100-imx51" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/424400
[14:07] <lool> ogra: That's an idea
[14:07] <ogra> [ubuntu/karmic] linux-fsl-imx51 2.6.31-101.8 (Accepted)
[14:08]  * ogra dances !!!
[14:08] <ogra> my second kernel this release cycle, yay !
[14:08] <ogra> hmm, based on rc8
[14:08] <ogra> what made me think i get something based on final :P
[14:09] <siji> hey how to get the terminal/login window in both lcd and minicom
[14:10] <plars> ogra: I marked it complete
[14:10] <ogra> plars, so i can drop it, right ?
[14:10] <plars> ogra: yeah
[14:10] <ogra> (i saw its marked implemented, but its still on the release team report)
[14:10] <ogra> cool
[14:12] <ogra>  * ARM: IMX51: ENGR00103310 Initial imx_nfc NAND Flash MTD driver
[14:12] <ogra> lool, ^^^^
[14:12] <ogra> !
[14:13] <ogra> * [Config] Run updateconfigs after rebasing to 2.6.31 final
[14:13] <ogra> ah
[14:15] <lool> ogra: Cool
[14:15] <ogra> ha, and i can drop at least one bug from the report again :)
[14:15] <ogra> Bug 359049 just closed itself
[14:15] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 359049 in linux-mvl-dove "imx51 udeb hardcodes linux version in vmlinuz binary name" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/359049
[14:20] <lool> ogra: I usually keep the bugs which are mentionned on the email or reports and mention that they are closed on the mobile team report
[14:20] <ogra> what are you referring to ? banshee ?
[14:21] <lool> ogra: 422101 > removing the milestone?
[14:21] <lool> ogra: 15:15 < ogra> ha, and i can drop at least one bug from the report again :)
[14:21] <lool> ogra: I dont drop closed bugs
[14:21] <lool> I just mark them closed in the report
[14:23] <ogra> ah, k
[14:23]  * ogra sighs, i dropped them all already
[14:23]  * ogra tries to find them again and re-adds
[14:24] <lool> ogra: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/425464
[14:24] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 425464 in unr-meta "Favicon for site being bookmarked should be used as part of the icon in the Launcher" [Medium,Triaged]
[14:25] <lool> ogra: updating milestone
[14:27] <lool> ogra: *I* forgot to track https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unr-meta/+bug/425464 in karmic *sigh*
[14:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 425464 in unr-meta "Favicon for site being bookmarked should be used as part of the icon in the Launcher" [Medium,Triaged]
[14:27] <lool> Actually i recall killing the browser before launchpad loaded on this bug
[14:27] <lool> but well
[14:27] <ogra> added
[14:28] <lool> ogra: Hmm did you update the milestoned features??
[14:28] <ogra> i removed them
[14:28] <ogra> they are all set to implemented
[14:28] <lool> ogra: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-qa-karmic-unr and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-qa-karmic-arm are milestoned
[14:29] <lool> ogra: I'm not sure you're looking at the correct data
[14:29] <lool> ogra: Goal is to a) move stuff from previous milestone to next milestone and b) comment on everything on the next milestone
[14:29] <lool> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-9.10-beta
[14:29] <lool> You can see two specs of plars there
[14:29] <ogra> well, i looked at the three specs that were left from last week in the report
[14:29] <lool> and the moblin remix one
[14:30] <ogra> all three were marked implemented
[14:30] <lool> ogra: The ones from last week were for A6
[14:30] <lool> ogra: Now you need to also list stuff for next milestone
[14:30] <ogra> and marked implemented when i looked 1h ago
[14:30] <lool> ogra: the three specs for ubuntu-9.10-beta are not marked implemented no
[14:31] <ogra> no, the three that were on the report before are
[14:31] <lool> ogra: Actually there's even your spec on it
[14:31] <lool> ogra: Well that's good
[14:31] <ogra> wtf ... how can they show up if they are implementd
[14:31] <lool> ogra: If the specs we intended to be implemented in A6 were implemented then we can remove them from the report and not move the milestone on them; that's considered normal if you like
[14:31] <lool> ogra: I think there's a misunderstanding
[14:31] <ogra> right
[14:32] <ogra> i think there is a misconception in LP
[14:32] <lool> ogra: You need to drop everything from the report which was targetted at A6 and implemented
[14:32] <ogra> right, that i did
[14:32] <lool> ogra: You need to move everything which was targetted at A6 and was NOT implemented to ubuntu-9.10-beta
[14:32] <lool> ogra: And you need to report on everything which is targetted at ubuntu-9.10-beta
[14:32] <ogra> ok, i thought the spec owners do that
[14:33] <lool> ogra: The spec owners give you a one line summary in their blueprint which gets agregated in the burndown report
[14:33] <ogra> lool, how did you get any work done on fridays in the past
[14:33] <lool> ogra: It takes me about 1.5 hours to get the report written; I'm glad you see it's a lot of work   :-)
[14:33] <ogra> thats eating half the day
[14:33] <lool> I didn't do much on fridays indeed
[14:34] <lool> ogra: That's also why I insist on getting this blueprint stuff in shape, the bugs properly milestoned and implemented the status in blueprints in the burndown chart
[14:35] <ogra> yeah, i understood that before even assembling this report :)
[14:35] <ogra> but i see how painful it is if they arent up to date
[14:36] <lool> ogra: So I think I walked on the A6 stuff; you can just check the https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-9.10-beta stuff
[14:36] <lool> ogra: You want to mention status of the 4 specs
[14:36] <lool> ogra: And poke plars since his specs are Started only
[14:36] <lool> plars: ^
[14:36] <lool> plars: What's the progress on the testcases specs?  Should we say slow progress?  Good progress now?
[14:37] <lool> plars: they are currently "Started"
[14:37] <lool> plars: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-qa-karmic-arm says you are bringing up your babbage board but that was a while ago
[14:41] <plars> lool: well
[14:41] <lool> ogra: So what I do is that I "union" bugs and blueprints from: A6 which need to be moved, beta, the ones mentionned in the report, the bug lists we review during our mobile irc meetings
[14:42] <plars> lool: I don't feel right about saying beta available
[14:42] <lool> ogra: I spotted one more blueprint in the agenda: UbuntuSpec:mobile-karmic-marvell-desktop; you might want to comment that it was implemented in A6
[14:42] <ogra> ok
[14:42] <plars> lool: because I have the wiki testplan up, but not a bzr repo with the tests integrated at this point
[14:42] <lool> UbuntuSpec:mobile-unr-karmic-application-res also shows up not sure why
[14:43] <lool> plars: That's ok but inbetween we could say Slow progress or Good progress
[14:43] <plars> lool: I can change the status to something else if you'd like... what does it affect?
[14:43] <lool> plars: I see it like: Started, Slow progress, Good progress, Beta, Implementeed
[14:43] <ogra> lool, yeah, i was wondering what to do with app-res
[14:43] <lool> plars: It will allow answering the release team's concerns if they ask where we stand
[14:43] <lool> plars: Since "started" might worry them
[14:44] <plars> ok
[14:44] <ogra> make it good progress ;)
[14:44] <ogra> lool, think i can drop app-res ?
[14:46] <plars> I'll mark them both good progress, I've done more work on the unr one than the arm one, but a lot has gone into checkbox already (as expected) that benefits both of them
[14:47] <plars> I wanted to get my A6 one finished up also, which also benefits UNR in particular.  Now that that's done, I'm going to be focused on these two
[14:50] <ogra> lool, any suggestion what to do with application resolution ? i'm not sure what to say about it or why its on the report at all
[14:53]  * ogra gets some more coffee
[14:55] <lool> ogra: sorry had a phone call
[14:56] <lool> ogra: I recommend you keep app-res and I'll clear things with paulliu when it's daylight time for him
[14:56] <lool> ogra: I think the remaining bugs are upstream ones but still we need to update its state; sorry I didn't do that earlier this week
[14:59] <ogra> remaining bugs ?
[15:00] <ogra> so what do i write for app-res ?
[15:00] <lool> ogra: in the app res spec
[15:00] <ogra> ah
[15:00] <lool> ogra: That most bugs are upstream one and we will look at reducing its scope next week
[15:00] <ogra> well, i'm happy with a summary line to add to the report ...
[15:00] <ogra> ok
[15:00] <lool> ogra: you can take summary lines from http://piware.de/workitems/mobile/karmic/report.html when that's up-to-date
[15:01] <ogra> which it isnt :P
[15:01] <lool> Well the report is, the spec wasn't kept up-to-date
[15:02] <ogra> so https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic looks ok to you now ?
[15:03] <lool> ogra: status for #423767 seems out of date
[15:04] <ogra> well, who is pushing to linux-firmware then ?
[15:04] <lool> ogra: It says "pending push from amitk but driver doesn't work and needs porting"
[15:04] <ogra> yeah, i looked at the bottom
[15:04] <ogra> its irritating that we have them twice
[15:04] <lool> I think it should say something like "Needs kernel love to add firmware from upstream" or smth
[15:05] <lool> ogra: agreed
[15:05]  * ogra moves description from the bottom one to the top one as well
[15:05] <ogra> Dove squahfs's ...
[15:05] <ogra> hhe
[15:05]  * ogra fixes NCommanders typos i copy/pasted
[15:06] <lool> ogra: 425547 > we're blocked on telepathy-mission-control-5 port of moblin stuff but I just clarified the plan with upstream
[15:07] <ogra> ok
[15:08] <lool> ogra: there's a typo in the bug number 427199 for dove squashfs
[15:08] <lool> in the report it says #27199
[15:08] <ogra> fixed
[15:09] <lool> ogra: lool started testing on the ffmpeg bug if you like
[15:09] <lool> ogra: status of #420555 is out of date
[15:10] <lool> You might want to mention FSL is looking into it
[15:10] <ogra> i updated it though
[15:10] <lool> ogra: Ok that's all I had
[15:11] <ogra> might not be massively obvious, i just mangled your sentence
[15:11] <ogra> thanks, will add the changes
[15:11] <lool> ogra: Looking at general status stuff
[15:11] <lool> "inmportant" typo
[15:12] <lool> ogra: I would mention addition of installer support in dove and the oo.o issue in the sections at the bottom
[15:12] <lool> ogra: and moblin remix being blocked on the TMC 5 port
[15:12] <lool> ogra: Perhaps the ooo issue can go in armel general status
[15:15] <lool> ogra: As a reward I'll share something with you in some minutes
[15:16] <ogra> updated
[15:18] <lool> ogra: email sent
[15:18] <ogra> thanks :)
[16:10] <GrueMaster> So, I heard my name, metaphorically speaking.


[03:42] <bcurtiswx> maco, how do i turn on wireless and set network in KDE ?
[03:43] <maco> bcurtiswx: there should be a network applet in the tray
[03:43] <maco> knetworkmanager
[03:44] <bcurtiswx> haha says it's not installed :P
[03:45] <maco> oh um. got a wired connection? i gave her apt-get access in sudo
[03:45] <maco> though
[03:45] <maco> it might be plasma-widget-network-manager instead
[03:45] <maco> or whatever its called
[03:45] <bcurtiswx> ok, we'll try
[03:45] <maco> 2 nm frontends exist
[03:45] <maco> one of them should be installed
[03:45] <maco> i just dont know *which* one
[03:47] <bcurtiswx> plasma-widget* terminal doesn't know that... and the other needs to be installed.. i will grab a wired connection
[03:47] <maco> er did you try to run plasma-widget... as a command?
[03:47] <maco> or did you dpkg -l plasma-widget*
[03:47] <bcurtiswx> run
[03:48] <maco> you cant run a widget from the command line
[03:48] <maco> add it to the panel
[03:49] <maco> (apparently the packge name is plasma-widget-networkmanagement)
[03:50] <maco> (holy crap theres a lot of plasmoids packaged)
[03:50] <bcurtiswx> lol
[04:15] <bcurtiswx> i've fallen in love with regular xchat and not xchat-gnome anymore
[04:16] <bcurtiswx> i like it's GUI better
[04:21] <maco> kubuntu's default is quassel
[20:01]  * bcurtiswx_ is using quassel
[20:01] <bcurtiswx_> interesting
[20:02] <bcurtiswx_> too much space needed for nicknames


[03:17] <cjohnston> newz2000: is fridge frozen too? if not, I would really like (not that I matter much) to try to get the theme fixed asap... it looks really bad :-(
[03:20] <cjohnston> I can't seem to find the bug though
[03:20] <cjohnston> in LP
[03:21] <cjohnston> It got moved to The Fridge.. thats why... bug #499383
[03:21] <ubot3> Malone bug 499383 in fridge "Fridge background length of sidebar, not content" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/499383
[04:21] <newz2000> cjohnston: fridge is not frozen
[04:22] <cjohnston> oh really..
[04:22] <cjohnston> so that can be fixed maybe then?
[04:22] <cjohnston> evenin btw
[04:22] <cjohnston> :-)
[04:24] <newz2000> possibly
[04:24] <newz2000> cjohnston: is this something you're wanting to do or something you're wanting someone else to do?
[04:24] <cjohnston> I can't do it..
[04:24] <cjohnston> I mean, I could possibly find the problem..
[04:25] <cjohnston> but cant fix it except for make the suggestion
[04:25] <newz2000> oh, just that one bug
[04:25] <newz2000> I think someone has to just put somethign in the footer
[04:25] <newz2000> probably editable through the web interface
[04:25]  * newz2000 checks again
[04:26] <cjohnston> although right now it looks to work fien
[04:26] <cjohnston> fine
[04:26] <newz2000> yeah
[04:26] <cjohnston> but it didnt an hour ago
[04:26] <cjohnston> I wonder if it ahs something to do with the psots
[04:26] <cjohnston> before he put my post on there, it was broken
[04:26] <newz2000> ah, the icon is in the footer now
[04:26] <newz2000> good, that does solve it
[04:26] <newz2000> you can close that bug. :-)
[04:27] <cjohnston> done
[04:27] <cjohnston> yay
[04:28] <cjohnston> time to go pass out... class will be here very early in the AM
[04:28] <newz2000> ok. Good night.
[04:28] <cjohnston> how does my email sound? (the one on fridge)
[04:29] <newz2000> cjohnston: when did you send it?
[04:30] <cjohnston> 10 minutes ago.. its the most recient post on fridge
[04:30] <newz2000> Looks good
[04:30] <cjohnston> ty :-)
[04:31] <cjohnston> g'nite


[02:05] <phillw> hi hggdh and others..... setting a bug to 'high' and triaging it is not always the best answer..... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-basicfilesystems/+bug/990744 is back in 16.04 .... so, if some one  would take a look at it, that'd be really appreciated by some frustrated testers :)
[11:15] <luc4> Hello! My ubuntu laptop frequently loses mouse and/or keyboard when resuming from standby. Does it make sense to file a bug to ubuntu? I read online this is frequent.
[11:16] <davmor2> luc4: are they bluetooth device?
[11:18] <luc4> davmor2: no no the builtin keyboard and trackpad
[11:19] <luc4> davmor2: this makes standby almost unusable
[11:19] <davmor2> luc4: I never seen that but yes file a bug
[11:20] <luc4> davmor2: they typically ask me to test other kernels. Can you tell me which kernels to test so that I can provide the info immediately?
[11:21] <davmor2> luc4: nope but you can ask on #ubuntu-kernel and they can fill you in, it might be kernels that they make for you for debugging info you see
[11:22] <luc4> davmor2: I'll ask them, thanks!


[16:40] <raavan> Everything seems fine, I even corrected my gtk fonts with the workaround here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-style-qtcurve/+bug/414711 but i think root user still has ugly gtk
[16:40] <apparle> Plz help http://paste.ubuntu.com/307654/
[16:41] <raavan> is there any pure qt package manager?
[16:42] <Godel_> is there a usb format
[16:42] <Godel_> tool
[16:42] <Godel_> on partition manager
[16:42] <Vroomfondle> raavan: Adept?
[16:43] <ubuntu0000000000> bye
[16:44] <apparle> Plz help http://paste.ubuntu.com/307654/
[16:44] <raavan> mansur? are you manzur on launchpad?
[16:45] <Dragnslcr> raavan- KPackageKit is the default manager since 9.04, I think
[16:46] <raavan> kpackagekit uses gtk for password?
[16:47] <apparle> Plz help http://paste.ubuntu.com/307654/
[16:47] <apparle> desperate... plzzzz
[16:48] <Sebaz> Hi all, just installed Kubuntu 9.10 and installed Audacious2 but no sound :( tried ALSA and PULSE and no luck.. OSS does work and I hear music but no controls over the volume etc.. what can I do to make Audacious2 work with Pulse or ALSA?
[16:50] <reto`> Sebaz: does ALSA work with other programs?
[16:51] <Sebaz> reto`: how can I check that?   When I open a mp3 with amarok it plays fine.. but I reject Amarok
[16:52] <raavan> apparle, hav you tried without the PCI setting fresh without any tweaks?
[16:55] <carmelita> Noone knows how to enable sound on skype and vlc under Kubuntu 9.10?
[16:56] <Vroomfondle> "enable"?
[16:56] <Vroomfondle> just worsk for me by default, carmelita
[16:56] <apparle> raavan: you mean the default fresh installtion .... yeah I tried that... but  compositing/effects don't work
[16:56] <Vroomfondle> sounds like you've found a bug
[16:56] <Sebaz> every X.10 build is worse in audio support.. especially with Intel audio cards
[16:56] <apparle> carmelita: does sound work anywhere else
[16:56] <carmelita> Yes it works on all kde apps and the Drago player
[16:57] <carmelita> I mean Dragon
[16:57] <carmelita> And the microphone also works, when I unmute it from kmix
[16:57] <Vroomfondle> I've heard that the coupling between pulseaudio and everything else is a bit broken in kubuntu 9.10, but haven't had any trouble myself
[16:57] <ebovine> carmelita: It's probably also broken on the nonfree flash plugin.
[16:57] <apparle> carmelita: which audio driver.....
[16:58] <carmelita> apparle: How can I identify which audio driver?
[16:58] <Sebaz> Vroomfondle: I think you are right.. almost nothing works default with audio
[16:58] <apparle> carmelita: does it work by default everywhere else
[16:58] <apparle> How to force the graphics to be detected as PCI only
[16:59] <carmelita> apparle: by default works under all kde apps and under Dragon Player
[16:59] <apparle> carmelita: try selecting the OSS driver in VLC
[16:59] <carmelita> apparle: I just tried the flash plugin under firefox and the sound doesn't work there neither
[17:00] <nikitis> Question.  I'm in the live session of kubuntu disk now.  I have a LVM spread across /dev/sdb3 and /dev/sdc1.  How do i go about mounting it in the live session?  I need to delete some users before i go about fresh installing.
[17:00] <raavan> apparle, you saw this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonXpress
[17:00] <apparle> carmelita: 9.10 or 9.04
[17:01] <ebovine> carmelita: You can figure out which audio driver you're using in the System Settings -> Multimedia dialog
[17:01] <carmelita> apparle: 9.10
[17:01] <apparle> raavan: it says 8.10 onwards work out of box
[17:02] <apparle> carmelita: Try removing pulseaudio
[17:02] <carmelita> apparle: ALC883
[17:03] <apparle> carmelita: I know its ALC883
[17:03] <carmelita> Is pulse audio installed by default on Kubuntu 9.10? Because I read skype 2.1 uses pulseaudio
[17:03] <carmelita> apparle: Is pulse audio installed by default on Kubuntu 9.10? Because I read skype 2.1 uses pulseaudio
[17:03] <carmelita> apparle: how do I remove pulseaudio without damaging anything else?
[17:03] <apparle> !info pulseaudio
[17:04] <apparle> carmelita: Acutally I don't know.....
[17:04] <carmelita> apparle: I didn't install pulseaudio
[17:04] <apparle> carmelita: reinstall it later
[17:04] <carmelita> But it appears there System Settings -> Multimedia dialog as the last option
[17:04] <ebovine> carmelita: Just remove it like any other package.
[17:05] <apparle> carmelita: but see if anyother package is not getting removed with it
[17:05] <carmelita> apparle: pulseaudio is not installed
[17:05] <carmelita> apparle: I just confirmed it
[17:05] <carmelita> ebovine: pulseaudio was never installed in my system
[17:06] <ebovine> I just found the same thing on my 9.10.
[17:06] <apparle> carmelita: then install it :)
[17:07] <apparle> carmelita: as you yourself said it is required to run skype
[17:07] <carmelita> apparle: hahahaha, are you sure?
[17:07] <apparle> carmelita: and did you try selecting OSS driver in VLC
[17:07] <carmelita> apparle: I didn't, I said I read that skype 2.1 supports it
[17:07] <carmelita> apparle: Yes and with no success
[17:08] <BluesKaj> there is a skype alternative that doesn't need pulseaudio , it's the staic version, skype_static-<IP_ADDRESS>
[17:09] <BluesKaj> static
[17:09] <carmelita> Wow, I thought I had learned a lot of linux in the past year using it, but I really wouldn't be able to do much without people like you helping me! Thanks all!! ;-)
[17:09] <carmelita> BluesKaj: So the normal skype really needs pulseaudio?
[17:09] <BluesKaj> well the karmic default skype , yes
[17:10] <carmelita> BluesKaj: Yes, that's waht I meant sorry
[17:10] <BluesKaj> akfaik , carmelita , there may have been changes since I tried it amonth ago
[17:16] <apparle> Plz help http://paste.ubuntu.com/307654/
[17:22] <dthacker> klibido looks like it's unmaintained.  Recommendations for KDE4 Usenet file grabber?
[17:24] <jhutchins_lt> dthacker: pan works.
[17:27] <soheyl> Hey
[17:28] <Godel_> hello
[17:28] <Godel_> how can i download the latest wine?
[17:37] <BluesKaj> !wine | Godel_
[17:45] <BenPA> help day3 .... due to grub or grub 2 could not complete install of 9.10 from 9.04 ... have tried various google and this irc channel suggestions ... can anyone help to get to terminal to maybe fix issue . have 9.10 and 9.04 disk but will not run ... using knoppix to connect here
[17:47] <Peace--> software to manage ipode on kubuntu
[17:47] <Peace--> that insn't gtkpod
[17:47] <MBSTO> o/
[17:52] <Tuxkowo> Hi everyone !
[17:54] <Tuxkowo> Hi everyone !
[17:55] <Octy92> hello
[17:56] <Octy92> anyone has an ipod (the apple one)? how can i sync it?
[17:56] <Peace--> me no xD
[17:58] <Peace--> Octy92: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Transfer+to+Media+Device+(formerly+iPod)?content=26850
[17:58] <Peace--> Octy92: you have to install amarok 1.4
[17:59] <Octy92> o.O
[17:59] <Peace--> amarok 1.4 nicer than 2.2
[17:59] <Peace--> amarok 2.x series is not a complete software
[18:00] <Octy92> hmm... i'll try with default amarok 2.x before, thanks :)
[18:00] <Peace--> ogghei
[18:00] <Tuxkowo> I installed the new Kubuntu 9.10, but Plasma crash each time it is launched. (I could use it for around 20 minutes) This problem isn't new for me and it happened to on Kubuntu 9.04. Is someone knows what happens ? I can give crash log and other informations.
[18:03] <Peace--> here on kubuntu 9.10 never seen a crash
[18:03] <Peace--> Tuxkowo:
[18:03] <Peace--> have you upgraded
[18:03] <Peace--> or formated and installed?
[18:03] <raziel> please i need help ! i install ubuntu in another partition drive and i cant see my windows 7 in boot
[18:04] <Peace--> raziel: mm if ytou have installed ubuntu go on #ubuntu
[18:04] <Peace--> here it's for kubuntu
[18:04] <raziel> i mean kubuntu
[18:04] <Peace--> !grub| raziel
[18:04] <BenPA> help day3 .... due to grub or grub 2 could not complete install of 9.10 from 9.04 ... have tried various google and this irc channel suggestions ... can anyone help to get to terminal to maybe fix issue . have 9.10 and 9.04 disk but will not run ... using knoppix to connect here  ... pleasee
[18:04] <Tuxkowo> Peace--: I installed a new system from the alt. CD. I formated my / part. but I kept my /home. I used Gnome before, so I don't have previous config files
[18:05] <Peace--> Tuxkowo: bad thing
[18:05] <Peace--> Tuxkowo: when you upgrade or you keep /home you should create a new user
[18:05] <Peace--> ah
[18:05] <Peace--> ok
[18:05] <Peace--> you used gnome
[18:05] <raziel> ubuto : right now i have grub
[18:05] <properz> ubuto : right now i have grub
[18:05] <Peace--> Tuxkowo: anyway try to create a new user
[18:06] <Tuxkowo> Ok
[18:06] <properz> how i can get in boot windows 7 and kubuntu both ?
[18:06] <Peace--> properz: you have to fix grub
[18:07] <properz> how?
[18:07] <Peace--> thre is on wiki
[18:07] <properz> how i install rpm file ?
[18:08] <Tuxkowo> properz: you need to use alien
[18:08] <Peace--> you can't use rpm file on debina
[18:08] <Peace--> you can only pray if alien converts it on deb
[18:08] <properz> i just want install xchat
[18:09] <properz> and get my windows 7 back :(
[18:09] <Peace--> sudo apt-get install xchat
[18:09] <Peace--> that's all
[18:10] <Tuxkowo> Peace--: I'll try to start a new graphical session. Err... Is there a way to quit KDE nicely without Plasma ?
[18:12] <raziel> anyone can help me to fix my grub ? ( to get my windows 7 too in grub ) thanks
[18:12] <Peace--> raziel: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[18:13] <Peace--> Tuxkowo: yes
[18:13] <Peace--> or maybe no
[18:13] <Peace--> what do you mean without plasma
[18:13] <raziel> peace : its not help me..
[18:13] <raziel> i dont need to read all for just add windows 7
[18:14] <Tuxkowo> Peace--: avoid doing a control + alt + backspace
[18:14] <Peace--> raziel: on linux there is a rule
[18:14] <Peace--> raziel: read the damned manual
[18:15] <raziel> PEace : buy my english is not very good to understand it
[18:15] <Peace--> if you want solve your problem you can stay here without hope
[18:15] <Peace--> raziel: which language?
[18:15] <Peace--> raziel: there is a channel for every language
[18:15] <raziel> hebrew
[18:15] <Peace--> raziel: i figured out from your name
[18:15] <Peace--> !hebrew
[18:16] <white_pelican> shalom aleichem
[18:16] <white_pelican> :)
[18:16] <raziel> lol
[18:16] <kexman> wtf ???
[18:16] <kexman> my putty title changed to something veeeery ... pfff korean ? :)))
[18:16] <Peace--> raziel: my name is hebrew and it means the heart of god xD
[18:16] <kexman> hmm weir ... now its back .... strange things happen :)
[18:16] <raziel> PEace : no one in the hebrew room
[18:17] <Peace--> omg
[18:17] <Peace--> there are few people but there are
[18:17] <raziel> !grub
[18:19] <raziel> Peace : i can remove grub and use the regular ? [ the normal dualboot]
[18:19] <Peace--> raziel: mm i don't know
[18:19] <white_pelican> you need either grup or lilo
[18:19] <white_pelican> grub*
[18:20] <Peace--> he means grub 1 instead of this sick grub2
[18:21] <raziel> PEace : he dont help me he dont know
[18:21] <Peace--> xD
[18:21] <Peace--> raziel: have you tried here http://ubuntu-il.com/site/
[18:21] <raziel> all the israel peppols noob
[18:21] <dbjoker> hey! Have anybody installed kubuntu on your netbook?
[18:21] <Peace--> raziel: it's in your language try to find out documenation
[18:21] <raziel> noobs
[18:21] <Peace--> raziel: mm i don't think so
[18:21] <raziel> i can manage the room
[18:23] <BenPA> can anyone help me with my computer not booting into new upgrade ... grub issue
[18:24] <Peace--> raziel: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[18:24] <Peace--> sorry
[18:24] <Peace--> BenPA:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[18:24] <BenPA> Peace: tried that didnt work
[18:24] <Peace--> ah omg this sick grub2
[18:24] <BenPA> Peace: I can't get to terninal
[18:24] <Peace--> BenPA: try with a live cd
[18:25] <dbjoker> who can help me: i had install kubuntu 9.10 netbook edition on samsung nc 10, but is's works very slow, maybe i need to install some drivers?
[18:25] <Peace--> dbjoker: it's a video card problem ...drivers
[18:25] <seb0> nabcam bu ubuntuyu yahu
[18:25] <BenPA> Peace: I am using knoppix now ... my kubuntu 9.10 and or 9.04 will not install .. but will on another machine
[18:26] <seb0> ekran kartini takinca u.uyor
 how to solve this problem?
[18:27] <Peace--> dbjoker: ati nvdia?
[18:27] <Peace--> BenPA: you have to fix grub? so use a live cd to edit the file
[18:29] <BenPA> Peace: I cannot get to a termial/console that is working .... I am using knoppix cd now but not sure of how to get to the point where I can install/update grub or grub2
[18:30] <seb0> ubuntucular yardim
[18:30] <raziel> if anyone understand in GRUB and can help me in private its good thanks
[18:30] <Peace--> raziel: i have found this http://erickoo.wordpress.com/2009/06/14/how-to-add-vista-partition-to-grub-2-ubuntu-9-10-karmic-koala/
[18:31] <Peace--> !intel
[18:32] <Peace--> dbjoker:  maybe you can get some finormatio in those page , even if there are for 9.04
[18:32] <seb0> onboart la kurulum yaptim ekran katini takinca ubuntu a.ilmiyor yahu yardim edecek k'mse yokmu bu kanalda
[18:32] <Peace--> seb0: english
[18:32] <seb0> 'ng'l'zce b'lm'yorum
[18:33] <postfuturist> anyone know why Kubuntu doesn't seem to discover Windows shares from the WORKGROUP it's part of?
[18:33] <Peace--> postfuturist: for samba?
[18:33] <Peace--> have you made correctly your config file?
[18:33] <postfuturist> Peace--: yeah.
[18:33] <postfuturist> Peace--: both
[18:33] <seb0> yokmu yardim bu kanalda
[18:34] <Peace--> postfuturist: i have made with success samba with windows using this http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2009/05/05/kubuntu-904-windows-share-with-samba/
[18:34] <postfuturist> Peace--: Thanks, I'll check it out.
[18:36] <Peace--> seb0: english or change channel
[18:36] <Peace--> !english | seb0
[18:37] <BluesKaj> !tk | seb0
[18:37] <seb0> ne d'yon yahu
[18:37] <BluesKaj> !ty | seb0
[18:37] <seb0> b' anlasam
[18:38] <BluesKaj> !tr | seb0
[18:38] <seb0> orda yardimci olamadilar yahu
[18:38] <seb0> ubottu senm' yardim etcen
[18:40] <postfuturist> Peace--: Worked like a charm, I think I needed to create a samba account.
[18:40] <BenPA> Peace: how do apt-get to the hard drive if I ever get it mounted?
[18:40] <Peace--> postfuturist: heheh that blog is mine :)
[18:41] <postfuturist> Peace--: ha! Thanks for the help :)
[18:41] <seb0> bak yardim etmezsen'z kulanmiyacam bu s'stem'
[18:41] <neoandersen_> Help, I lost my X environment upgrading to 9.10 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8224674#post8224674
[18:41] <kotelo> hi guys, i have a very interesting question for you ;D
[18:41] <kotelo> how many Gigabytes I need to install kubuntu 9.10?
[18:41] <seb0>  nasilbi sitem yaiyorlaryahu
[18:42] <seb0> ekran kartiyla calismiyor yahu
[18:42] <kotelo> someone?
[18:42] <kotelo> :(
[18:43] <kotelo> again
[18:43] <kotelo> hi guys, i have a very interesting question for you ;D
[18:43] <BluesKaj> neoandersen_, what graphics card do you use?
[18:43] <kotelo> how many Gigabytes I need to install kubuntu 9.10?
[18:43] <FloodBotK1> kotelo: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:43] <neoandersen_> nvidia
[18:43] <kotelo> oh shutup bot
[18:43] <kotelo> xD
[18:44] <alfonso> I upgraded to 9.1 from 9.04 - spent yesterday downgrading again - the upgrade went so badly i couldn't boot the system past GRUB
[18:44] <BluesKaj> kotelo, depends on what apps you are using and storage requirements for media etc
[18:44] <ubuntu> i am having some problem with kubuntu installation
[18:45] <kotelo> well, a normal installation
[18:45] <ubuntu> can any one help me ?
[18:45] <alfonso> Anyone else had a bad experience with the automatic downloaded upgrade?
[18:45] <BluesKaj> alfonso, install grub2 before upgrading karmic
[18:45] <kotelo> i will use another partition for storage videos, music, etc
[18:45] <ubuntu> it says no root file system defined
[18:45] <alfonso> Thanks Blueska but I think, having finally got 9.04 working and stable again, I'll just stick with it :)
[18:45] <ubuntu> ??
[18:45] <ebovine> Anyone else having issues with apache2 not reading their sites-enabled directory at boot, but it does just fine if they restart apache?
[18:45] <BluesKaj> 3G should be fine ,kotelo
[18:46] <kotelo> nice
[18:46] <seb0> t]rkce bilen yokmu burda yahu yarimciolcak
[18:46] <BluesKaj> alfonso, ok , if you decide in the future to upgrade , remember my tip
[18:48] <kotelo> thanks for the help guys
[18:48] <kotelo> cya ;D
[18:48] <neoandersen_> BluesKaj, nvidia
[18:49] <Tuxkowo> Peace--: Well... with my second account everything works well. I deleted all plasma related config files, and it seems to work with my 1st user. I'll install openbox to prevent another problem (and keep using my computer)
[18:49] <Tuxkowo> Thanks for your help
[18:50] <raziel> where is the terminal in kubuntu ?
[18:50] <Peace--> Tuxkowo: np
[18:50] <BluesKaj> neoandersen_, lspci | grep VGA
[18:50] <Peace--> raziel:  ALT F2  type konsole
[18:50] <EagleScreen> raziel: Applications -> System -> Terminal
[18:55] <seb0> kimse yardim etmiyor yahu
[18:55] <rork> !en seb0
[18:55] <rork> !en | seb0
[18:56] <seb0> ayniseyleri tekrarliyorlar yahu
[18:56] <Pici> !tr | seb0
[18:57] <seb0> anladim yahu cevirimi yapiyorsun sen yahu
[18:57] <BluesKaj> we already tried that Pici , he doesn't seem to get it.
[18:57] <seb0> baska sey bilmiyormusun
[18:57] <jamesjedimaster> magyar?
[18:58] <lukefeil> n'abend
[18:58] <Pici> seb0: tÃ¼r /join #ubuntu-tr
[18:58] <seb0> yardim edemiyorlar orda
[18:58] <BluesKaj> he's in turkey forsure
[18:58] <rork> ubuntu having connection problems?
[18:58] <lukefeil> ist es möglich für die verschiedenen desktops verschiedene wallpaper zu haben, ABER die selben plasmoids?
[18:58] <jamesjedimaster> hungarian maybe?
[18:59] <Pici> !de | lukefeil
[18:59] <ubuntu> hi. can any one help me with installtion ok kubuntu
[18:59] <ubuntu> ?
[18:59] <Pici> stka_:
[18:59] <Pici> Bu kanal sadece Ä°ngilizce. LÃ¼tfen iÃ§in # ubuntu-tr kullanÄ±mÄ± tÃ¼rkÃ§e
[18:59] <Peace--> ubuntu: ?
[18:59] <Pici> seb0: ^
[18:59] <lukefeil> Pici: sorry, wrong chanel
[18:59] <seb0> ne
[18:59] <Peace--> ask and don't ask to ask ubuntu
[18:59] <seb0> d'yon
[18:59] <ubuntu> kubuntu installtion ??
[19:00] <ahmedtaufiq> kubuntu installation ?
[19:00] <lukefeil> is it possible to chose different wallpapers for the different desktops BUT with the same plasmoids
[19:00] <Peace--> ahmedtaufiq: what's the problem with kubuntu installation
[19:00] <ahmedtaufiq> it says that no root file system selected
[19:00] <rork> ahmedtaufiq: if you came to choose a partition you need one formatted as ext3 or ext4 and mounted to /
[19:01] <ahmedtaufiq> mounted to dos or windows?
[19:01] <seb0> d'd'yorum s'z'n yardim etceginiz yok
[19:01] <Pici> 22
[19:01] <ahmedtaufiq> i have my partition named as "D" under WIndows OS
[19:01] <lukefeil> ahmedtaufiq: you have to name the mountpoint "/"
[19:01] <ahmedtaufiq> i want to use that partition
[19:02] <Godel_> libcurl-gnutls.so.4
[19:02] <Godel_> where can i get this from
[19:02] <ahmedtaufiq> but during installation it displays some other names
[19:02] <ahmedtaufiq> ??
[19:02] <lukefeil> ahmedtaufiq: yes he calls them sda1...3 or hda1..3
[19:03] <ahmedtaufiq> it displays sda1 and then jumps to sda5 , 6 , 7 , 8
[19:03] <idyle> hey why didn't my kubuntu automatically fix my time?
[19:03] <tiresias> hello all
[19:03] <ahmedtaufiq> so sda 5 might be "D" dirve ?
[19:04] <lukefeil> ahmedtaufiq:do you have already multipel OS installed?
[19:04] <otavio> buenas
[19:04] <ahmedtaufiq> only wondows installed
[19:04] <ahmedtaufiq> *windows
[19:04] <lukefeil> ahmedtaufiq: and how many partitions?
[19:04] <ahmedtaufiq> 4 partitions
[19:04] <ahmedtaufiq> on "c" i have got windows
[19:04] <ahmedtaufiq> "'d" is free
[19:05] <ahmedtaufiq> i want to install kubuntu on d drive
[19:05] <lukefeil> ahmedtaufiq:do the partitions d,e,f have differnt sizes?
[19:05] <ahmedtaufiq> no all four are of same size
[19:06] <ahmedtaufiq> so what shd i chose ? sda 5 ?
[19:06] <lukefeil> ahmedtaufiq: cause i'm not shure it's better to proof
[19:06] <oDuda> i wanna change the first  graphic screen when booting kubuntu. the screen before the login
[19:06] <lukefeil> ahmedtaufiq: open the different partitions in the livesystem
[19:07] <ahmedtaufiq> ok then
[19:07] <lukefeil> ahmedtaufiq: and remember the good partition...
[19:07] <ahmedtaufiq> "good partition "'?
[19:07] <lukefeil> ahmedtaufiq: the "D"
[19:08] <ahmedtaufiq> ok
[19:08] <ahmedtaufiq> then ??
[19:08] <lukefeil> ahmedtaufiq: when you open Dolphin in the ilvesystem, youcan chose in the sidebar the different partitions
[19:08] <ahmedtaufiq> yes
[19:09] <ahmedtaufiq> it says "volume vfat"
[19:09] <ahmedtaufiq> then lukefeil ??
[19:10] <lukefeil> ahmedtaufiq:hmm..
[19:10] <ahmedtaufiq> i have opened the d dirve
[19:10] <ahmedtaufiq> under dolphin
[19:10] <lukefeil> ahmedtaufiq:i'm thinking
[19:11] <lukefeil> ahmedtaufiq: k
[19:12] <lukefeil> ahmedtaufiq: you open an terminal
[19:12] <ahmedtaufiq> yes opened
[19:12] <lukefeil> ahmedtaufiq: and you "unmount" all other partitions in dolphin (right_click > unmount)
[19:13] <lukefeil> ahmedtaufiq: so only the "D" partition is mounted, then you enter 'mount -l' in your terminal
[19:13] <ahmedtaufiq> wait
[19:13] <ahmedtaufiq> from where to unmount?
[19:13] <ahmedtaufiq> i have opened terminal
[19:13] <ahmedtaufiq> then what shound i type there?
[19:14] <lukefeil> mount -l | grep sda
[19:14] <lukefeil> he should answer with only one line
[19:14] <second_nick> Hi guys
[19:15] <second_nick> i have a problem
[19:15] <ahmedtaufiq> coomand not found
[19:15] <Problem> when i log in kubuntu i get a konsole and nothing else
[19:15] <Problem> how can i fix  it
[19:15] <lukefeil> ahmedtaufiq: copy&paste the command
[19:16] <lukefeil> ahmedtaufiq: there is the special caracter | it's not an small L
[19:16] <ahmedtaufiq> ok
[19:16] <ahmedtaufiq> let me try
[19:16] <ahmedtaufiq> done
[19:17] <ahmedtaufiq> i have entered both the commands
[19:17] <lukefeil> ahmedtaufiq: what is he answering?
[19:18] <ahmedtaufiq> long list came in
[19:19] <lukefeil> !past | ahmedtaufiq
[19:19] <lukefeil> !paste | ahmedtaufiq
[19:19] <ahmedtaufiq> what shd i do now?
[19:19] <lukefeil> ahmedtaufiq: there you can post the output
[19:20] <ahmedtaufiq> To run a command as administrator (user "root"), use "sudo <command>".
[19:20] <ahmedtaufiq> See "man sudo_root" for details.
[19:20] <ahmedtaufiq> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ mount -l | grep sda
[19:20] <ahmedtaufiq> /dev/sda7 on /media/disk type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,uid=999,utf8,shortname=mixed,flush)
[19:20] <ahmedtaufiq> /dev/sda5 on /media/disk-1 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,uid=999,utf8,shortname=mixed,flush)
[19:20] <FloodBotK2> ahmedtaufiq: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:20] <ahmedtaufiq> /dev/sda6 on /media/disk-2 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,uid=999,utf8,shortname=mixed,flush)
[19:21] <lukefeil> ahmedtaufiq: you hav eto unmount the other partiotions in dolphin
[19:21] <rolf__> hi there
[19:21] <oDuda> i wanna change the first  graphic screen when booting kubuntu. the screen before the login
[19:21] <oDuda> (not that animate)
[19:21] <ahmedtaufiq> i better dont use it
[19:22] <lukefeil> ahmedtaufiq: you right click on the unwanted partitions and select "unmount"
[19:22] <lukefeil> ahmedtaufiq:after that you retrie the command
[19:22] <ahmedtaufiq> i have unmounted all the other partitions
[19:23] <ahmedtaufiq> only d and cd druve is there
[19:23] <ahmedtaufiq> *cd drive
[19:23] <lukefeil> ahmedtaufiq: he  says that 3 partitions are mounted...
[19:24] <ahmedtaufiq> i have again done it
[19:24] <ahmedtaufiq> now how to check it ?
[19:24] <Problem> GUYS
[19:24] <ZeroKelvin> hello
[19:24] <Problem> WHEN I LOG INTO KUBUNTU I ONLY GET A KONSOLE AND NOTHING ELSE
[19:25] <ZeroKelvin> does java work in kubuntu? i tried to use the sofware "jdownloader" and kwin gone crazy
[19:25] <lukefeil> ahmedtaufiq: when you left-click on a partition he auto-remount, so dont click left on a partition after unmounting
[19:25] <Dragnslcr> !info sun-java-jre6 | ZeroKelvin
[19:25] <Dragnslcr> !info sun-java6-jre | ZeroKelvin
[19:26] <Dragnslcr> I think that's the package you want to install
[19:26] <ahmedtaufiq> To run a command as administrator (user "root"), use "sudo <command>".
[19:26] <ahmedtaufiq> See "man sudo_root" for details.
[19:26] <ahmedtaufiq> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ mount -l
[19:26] <ahmedtaufiq> aufs on / type aufs (rw)
[19:26] <ahmedtaufiq> none on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[19:26] <FloodBotK2> ahmedtaufiq: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:26] <ahmedtaufiq> none on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[19:26] <ZeroKelvin> i installed it from kpackage, the software is installed but i , with x64 version, have this problem, and another user with x32 the same
[19:27] <ZeroKelvin> i installed the java default package, maybe another words better?
[19:27] <lukefeil> ahmedtaufiq: now he say that no partition is mounted, now mount only the partition "D"
[19:27] <ahmedtaufiq> only d is mounted dear
[19:28] <somekool> hmm... I run Kubuntu and KDE.... but I have gnome installed. since I upgraded to 9.10. "svn up" is asking my my GNOME keyring password. but I dont use the GNOME keyring. how do I disable this ?
[19:28] <ahmedtaufiq> its mind boggling
[19:28] <lukefeil> so maybe you have'nt postet the entire output but in your listing ist no more /dev/sdaX
[19:29] <lukefeil> ahmedtaufiq: and please use the pastebin service to poste more than a line
[19:29] <ZeroKelvin> another question, is it normal that some days after release there are no package actualizations yet? i remember that with normal ubuntu in one-two days i had to install around 200 Mb...
[19:30] <ZeroKelvin> it's the first time i'm using Kbuntu instead normal ubuntu...
[19:30] <ahmedtaufiq> thanks for ur help
[19:30] <ahmedtaufiq> sda5 is drive d, duh
[19:34] <n16h7f0x> i got a sony vaio ns21z with 4g ram and installed kubuntu 9.10, but on system monitor it only appera 3gb of ram...why is that? can anybody advice?
[19:36] <jad_> ZeroKelvin: Welcome to Kubuntu!
[19:36] <jad_> n16h7f0x: You have the 32 bit version of Kubuntu
[19:37] <n16h7f0x> jad_, should i install 64bit one or what?
[19:38] <jad_> n16h7f0x: yep then you can get a few terrabytes of RAM
[19:39] <n16h7f0x> jad_, but i got and intel core 2duo P8600 2.4ghz isn't this a 32 bit proccesor?
[19:39] <jad_> I doubt it
[19:39] <n16h7f0x> jad_, how can i find out that?
[19:39] <ZeroKelvin> n16h7f0x: every core 2 duo has x64 capabilites....
[19:39] <ZeroKelvin> (of course also x32)
[19:40] <jad_> n16h7f0x: http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=35568 Ask Intel
[19:40] <n16h7f0x> ZeroKelvin, so should work better on x64 or on x32?
[19:40] <ebovine> 32 is more tested.
[19:40] <ZeroKelvin> n16h7f0x: i have being using x64 ubuntu's with no important problem
[19:40] <jad_> n16h7f0x: Functionally shouldn't make a difference other than closed source software
[19:41] <ZeroKelvin> only flash, wich is a x32 only and sometimes malfunction in a 64 version
[19:41] <n16h7f0x> so won't be abble to see any speed difference (like 64 runs slower)
[19:41] <ZeroKelvin> slower?¿ it should be faster!
[19:41] <n16h7f0x> ZeroKelvin, flash what? flashplayer?
[19:41] <ZeroKelvin> yes, flashplayer
[19:41] <n16h7f0x> oh i see
[19:41] <n16h7f0x> ZeroKelvin, jad_ , thank you very much for your assitance
[19:42] <n16h7f0x> downloading x64 edition now
[19:42] <n16h7f0x> :p
[19:42] <ZeroKelvin> it korks, but sometimes gone black and i have to reload the webpage
[19:42] <ZeroKelvin> works, sorry
[19:42] <n16h7f0x> i had some flash problem on 9.04
[19:42] <ZeroKelvin> x32 version?
[19:43] <n16h7f0x> ye
[19:43] <jad_> ZeroKelvin: Yes but that situation can happen for any closed source software
[19:43] <n16h7f0x> the sounds goes crazy
[19:43] <n16h7f0x> after 2 hours of firefox uptime
[19:43] <ZeroKelvin> jad_: yes, adobe should do a x64 version
[19:43] <jad_> ZeroKelvin: Well if Skype decides to stop making a 64bit skype then that would cause problems as well
[19:44] <ZeroKelvin> mm i don't use skype but i remember there are some alternatives... but with flash there are non completely functional yet
[19:46] <n16h7f0x> ZeroKelvin, can i use 32 bit application on a 64 sistem
[19:46] <n16h7f0x> rite
[19:46] <n16h7f0x> ?
[19:46] <jad_> Yeah :-) The point is if it's closed then it can cause problems since if they decide to stop doing say Drivers in 64 bit then you just can't do anything about it
[19:47] <jad_> n16h7f0x: Yes but it's funky
[19:47] <n16h7f0x> funky?
[19:48] <jad_> Yes depending on the app you may have to do a chroot
[19:49] <jad_> But for the most part if you are using Free and Open Software then you can do 64 bit just fine
[19:49] <slawek__> .topic
[19:51] <ZeroKelvin> n16h7f0x: most applications have x64 version
[19:52] <Problem> GUYS HELP. WHEN I TRY TO LOG INTO KUBUNTU I ONLY GET A KONSOLE IN THE UPPER LEFT CORNER
[19:53] <BlueEagle> problem: Also your caps lock is on.
[19:54] <BlueEagle> problem: On the login window there is a button at the left of and below the prompt where you enter the password. Here you can choose sessions. Are you set to start the "Failsafe" one?
[19:54] <Problem> no
[19:54] <Problem> i choose the default
[19:54] <BlueEagle> Are you able to choose KDE there?
[19:54] <Problem> no
[19:55] <Problem> default or failsafe
[19:55] <BlueEagle> Have you installed a server-distribution?
[19:55] <Problem> no
[19:55] <Problem> i have the desktop distro
[19:55] <BlueEagle> Let me check...
[19:56] <Problem> which worked days until something happened now
[19:56] <Problem> and when i log on i get a terminal in the upperleft corner
[19:57] <second_nick> hi
[19:57] <BlueEagle> what happens if you attempt to run "startkde"?
[19:57] <Problem> any idea?
[19:57] <Problem> wait
[19:58] <Problem> the program startkde
[19:58] <Problem> is not installed
[19:58] <BlueEagle> Orly!
[19:58] <BlueEagle> sudo apt-get install kde-desktop
[19:59] <Problem> it says to type
[19:59] <BlueEagle> make that kubuntu-desktop
[19:59] <Problem> sudo apt-get install kdebase-workspace-bin
[19:59] <BlueEagle> I always mix those two up.
[19:59] <BlueEagle> Install kubuntu-desktop That should put you straight.
[19:59] <Problem> but what happened
[19:59] <Problem> i removed notthing
[20:00] <BlueEagle> Apperantly something has been removed.
[20:00] <Problem> the command to start kde
[20:00] <Problem> is startkde?
[20:00] <BlueEagle> !startkde
[20:00] <BlueEagle> !info startkde
[20:00] <BlueEagle> It is.
[20:00] <BlueEagle> However the bot is stupid. :p
[20:01] <tsimpson> no, it's not
[20:01] <tsimpson> you aren't using it right :)
[20:01] <tsimpson> !find startkde
[20:01] <Problem> so its right
[20:01] <Problem> this is the package it tells me to get
[20:01] <jad_> BlueEagle: It's not a package it's part of the kdeworkspace package :)
[20:01] <n16h7f0x> one more question if i isntall vmware workstation last update will i have 3d capabilities on client system? if on host runs ok?
[20:01] <BlueEagle> tsimpson: Well, it's definetly not intelligent, because if it was then it should have run !find when !info did not yeld any results.
[20:01] <Problem> not kubuntu desktop
[20:01] <jad_> Problem: You need kubuntu-desktop
[20:02] <tsimpson> BlueEagle: that's not how it's designed
[20:02] <tsimpson> find and info are different for a reason
[20:02] <jad_> well need is a strong statement but if you would like to login to KDE it's highly recommended :)
[20:02] <BlueEagle> tsimpson: And therfore it's stupid. ;)
[20:02] <tsimpson> different from how you want it != stupid
[20:02] <tsimpson> just "different" :)
[20:03] <BlueEagle> tsimpson: Now you're just being stupid. :p hehehe
[20:03] <Problem> so install kubuntu-desktop?
[20:03] <BlueEagle> problem: That should alleviate the problem.
[20:03] <tsimpson> BlueEagle: and proud of it! ;)
[20:03] <BlueEagle> tsimpson: Good stuff.
[20:05] <Problem> what happened
[20:05] <Problem> the last thing i did was trying to download some packages
[20:05] <Problem> then i closed the terminal
[20:05] <Problem> which wouldnt launch again
[20:05] <Problem> and when i restarted i got this
[20:08] <BlueEagle> Is it just me that thinks knowing which packages he downloaded would be helpful?
[20:08] <Problemo> it says
[20:08] <Problemo> it cant fetch some files
[20:09] <BlueEagle> problemo: Does it litterally say "some files" or does it list those files and give a reason for not being able to fetch them?
[20:09] <BlueEagle> !pastebin
[20:10] <neoandersen> Unksi: lspci | grep VGA nVidia Corpotation G71 [GeForce 7950 GT]
[20:11] <jad_> I think problemo has sucessfulyl removed all the packages he's using and has just bombed out the desktop
[20:11] <ZeroKelvin> byes
[20:11] <jad_> Hopefully irssi is installed
[20:12] <Problem> could not resolve
[20:12] <Problem> and servers name
[20:12] <jad_> Problem: Hoooray :)
[20:12] <Problem> what does this mean
[20:12] <jad_> Ok do you have irssi
[20:12] <Problem> cant connect to the internet?
[20:13] <jad_> It seems you are removing more and more packages somehow
[20:13] <jad_> Problem: Correct
[20:13] <Problem> i connect using wifi
[20:13] <Problem> how can i see if i am connected and to what network
[20:14] <Problem> (by the way i have the dvd-disc i used to install kubunu, maybe i can repair it with this?)
[20:15] <jad_> Problem: You can
[20:15] <jad_> !cdrom
[20:15] <jad_> stupid bot :)
[20:15] <Problem> !livecd
[20:15] <jad_> use apt-cdrom to add it to your sources
[20:16] <neoandersen> Help : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8225449#post8225449
[20:16] <Problem> jad_ ok
[20:16] <Problem> but lets try first to connect to my wifi. whats the command to check where i am connected and then connect?
[20:17] <jad_> iwconfig scan
[20:18] <Problem> doesnt work
[20:19] <BlueEagle> problem: how does it not work?
[20:19] <jad_> neoandersen: I don't understand that links to a solution ?
[20:19] <BlueEagle> problem: ...and which packages were you attempting to download before your distro broke?
[20:20] <Problem> iwconfig scan, it says scan no such device
[20:20] <Problem> the command is wrong apparently
[20:20] <BlueEagle> problem: It would rather appear that no drivers are loaded for your driver.
[20:20] <kexman> pfff
[20:20] <BlueEagle> problem: Did you start in safe mode?
[20:20] <kexman> run into difficulties with kubuntu
[20:20] <kexman> i dont know if it was something with flash or not but now i cant install anything
[20:20] <kexman> i mean nothing :)
[20:20] <neoandersen> jad_: can I paste all here?
[20:21] <BluesKaj> neoandersen, that command was to find your exact graphics card, not solve yor problem
[20:21] <jad_> !paste | neoandersen
[20:21] <Problem> BlueEagle: no
[20:21] <BlueEagle> problem: ...and again, which packages were you attempting to install before your system broke?
[20:22] <Problem> BlueEagle the login screen was normal , when i tried to type me name and pass i got a console. btw in sessions i can only see failsafe and default
[20:22] <kexman> how do i enable XMDCP by default in kubuntu ?
[20:22] <BlueEagle> problem: No, BEFORE that.
[20:22] <BluesKaj> neoandersen, we need to know your graphics card driver so you can install it to get your X and desktop up and running
[20:22] <BlueEagle> quote: 21:05 < Problem> the last thing i did was trying to download some packages
[20:23] <BlueEagle> problem: Which packages were you downloading?
[20:23] <BluesKaj> I'm not BlueEagle
[20:23] <BlueEagle> I'm not blueskaj
[20:23] <Uther> boa tarde
[20:24] <neoandersen> jad_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/307888/
[20:25] <Problem> BlueEagle the correct command is  sudo iwlist wlan0 scan | less
[20:25] <Uther> pessoal, baixei a imagem ISO do Kubuntu 9.10 e gostaria de saber se, depois de queimá-la em um CD, ele roda como LiveCD ?
[20:25] <jad_> neoandersen: when you get that screen type fsck /dev/sda*
[20:25] <neoandersen> BlueEagle: 01:00.0 VGA Compatible Controler:
[20:25] <neoandersen> nVidia Corporation G71 [GeForce 7950 GT] (reva1)
[20:25] <jad_> neoandersen: when you get that screen type fsck /dev/sd*
[20:25] <BluesKaj> no BlueEagle , i was responding to neoandersen's request a while ago which he claims was supposed cur his prob, a commnd that I suggested he use
[20:25] <BlueEagle> blueskaj: Still. I am not you nor are you me. :)
[20:26] <BlueEagle> problem: No, the correct thing to do is to tell us which packages you downloaded before your system broke. ;)
[20:26] <Problem> i tried to get some libs
[20:26] <Problem> i dont remember the name
[20:27] <tsimpson> sorry about this...
[20:27] <BlueEagle> problem: Any chance they are still in your .bash_history ?
[20:27] <neoandersen> BluesKaj: 01:00.0 VGA Compatible Controler:
[20:27] <neoandersen> nVidia Corporation G71 [GeForce 7950 GT] (reva1)
[20:28] <BlueEagle> tsimpson: Is that to take out the DCC-ers sending 0 bytes to port 0?
[20:28] <BluesKaj> neoandersen, are you using the nvidia-glx-185 driver, if not that's what you need to install
[20:29] <tsimpson> BlueEagle: no, just exempts for proxy users (more to come)
[20:29] <neoandersen> BluesKaj: but it's not accessing internet...
[20:30] <neoandersen> BluesKaj: it stays in ready only...
[20:30] <jad_> Problem: press up on the console to get back the commands you typed in before
[20:31] <jad_> BlueEagle: Though I honestly can't think of anythign that conflicts with the KDE libs
[20:31] <n16h7f0x> if i have a ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3430  256 mb on my notebook should i configure something manual for opengl capabilities?
[20:31] <neoandersen> BluesKaj: aptitude install nvidia-glx-185 will do the job?
[20:32] <Problem> STOP THIS
[20:32] <BluesKaj> it won't help you connect to the internet, neoandersen
[20:32] <Problem> EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[20:32] <kgeek> Problem: wats ur problem dude  le
[20:32] <Problem> dont flood it
[20:33] <ubuntu> where is the add/remove software program in kubuntu these days?
[20:33] <neoandersen> BluesKaj: I meant it will make the x enviroment come back?
[20:33] <ubuntu> like the software centre in Ubuntu..
[20:33] <BluesKaj> it's your graphics card driver neoandersen , I got the same prompt a while back but was able to solve it by installing the right driver , but was connected to the internet.
[20:34] <Problem> jad_ : i tried to remove this libcurl13-gnutls
[20:34] <Problem> libcurl3-gnutls
[20:35] <kgeek> ubuntu: which one  u are u using dude
[20:35] <jad_> Problem: That would do it dude :)
[20:35] <ubuntu> 9.10
[20:35] <ubuntu> most recent one
[20:35] <kgeek> ubuntu: OS
[20:35] <neoandersen> BluesKaj: it seems the solution is to find out why does this message appears: "unable to mount: Device or resource busy..."
[20:35] <Problem> tsimpson_ :can you please dont flood it friend
[20:35] <ubuntu> Kubuntu :)
[20:36] <Problem> jad_ : so this is what is missing?
[20:36] <jad_> neoandersen: run fsck /dev/sd* when you get that
[20:36] <ubuntu> why else ask it here and mention the ubuntu version :P
[20:36] <BluesKaj> neoandersen, which nvidia driver do you have installed?
[20:36] <ubuntu> variant*
[20:36] <jad_> Problem: That removes most of the packages on your system yes
[20:36] <Problem> jad_ : at first i tried to autoremove it but i chose y/n (n). and then just removed it
[20:36] <kgeek> ubuntu: ther  is Kpackage Edit in appplication tab use it directly ..it is software mgmt. tool in kubuntu 9.10
[20:36] <jad_> Problem: so sudo apt-get install kubuntu-destop would help. Get a wired connection in the meant time
[20:37] <neoandersen> BluesKaj: I am not sure... 180 I guess
[20:37] <Problem> jad_ : so to fix it. i insert my rc dvd, do apt-cd and install this lib or just kubuntu-desktop?
[20:37] <ubuntu> but kgeek,  isn't that like the package manager? I want the simple one where you can add programs, not single packages..
[20:38] <ubuntu> cause I did find that one.. :P
[20:38] <BluesKaj> neoandersen, ok , are you connected to internet?
[20:39] <kgeek> ubuntu: goto http://www.futuredesktop.org there u'll get special tools which can do the job u require..
[20:39] <Problem> jad_ : would that fix it? to get the lib from the cd?
[20:39] <neoandersen> BluesKaj: Yes, I am using kubuntu in the other hd now...
[20:39] <apparle> how do I stop a single package from being upgraded
[20:40] <kgeek> apparle: upgrade is gd to health..let it be :P
[20:41] <Problem> tsimpson_ : with all respect, what the fuck are you doing?
[20:41] <tsimpson_> !language | Problem
[20:41] <Seeker`> he is clearing out the ban list
[20:42] <BluesKaj> neoandersen, you need to stop X to ne sure, sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop ,then remove the old 180 driver , and install the nvidia-glx-185 driver . to startx , sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[20:42] <Problem> jad_ : so?
[20:42] <apparle> kgeek: Actually I did a fresh install  of 9.10 and found that radeon driver has bugs so.... I installed the jaunty driver.... no I don't want it to upgrade to karmic package
[20:42] <tsimpson> exempt list, but yes
[20:42] <Seeker`> tsimpson: its the same list, isn't it?
[20:43] <BluesKaj> neoandersen, that last command should be sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[20:43] <tsimpson> Seeker`: well exempts are the opposite of bans, they make people exempt from them
[20:44] <jad_> Problem: Umm what so?
[20:44] <Problem> jad_ : can i just install the lib i removed from my cd?
[20:44] <jad_> Problem: yes apt-cdrom and then install kubuntu-desktop
[20:44] <jad_> Problem: You have the DVD you said?
[20:44] <Problem> jad_ : yes
[20:44] <jad_>  OR just the live CD ?
[20:44] <neoandersen> BluesKaj: ok, this "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop" but I have gnome istalled too...
[20:44] <jad_> Yes the DVD can do that
[20:44] <Problem> jad_ : its the livecd_desktop. i just wrote it to dvd
[20:45] <jad_> Problem: Ah that's different
[20:45] <neoandersen> BluesKaj: and the gnome is default there... it's a mix of Ubuntu, Studio and Kubuntu, edubuntu programs...
[20:45] <Problem> jad_ : i downloaded the x64 desktop kubuntu 9.10 rc image
[20:46] <Problem> jad_ : around 700mb
[20:46] <BluesKaj> neoandersen, then substitute gdm in the command and repeat
[20:47] <jad_> Problem: Ok can you get a wired connection
[20:48] <apparle> I have found a bug in 9.10 how to report it
[20:48] <Problem> Problem : cant we do it from my livecd_desktop?
[20:48] <BluesKaj> !bug
[20:49] <kgeek> Problem: RC y dude have the official   one nw
[20:50] <Problem> kgeek what?
[20:51] <apparle> BluesKaj: I have removed the buggy package ... so how do I report it now
[20:51] <kgeek> Problem: u said u dwnlded RC o kubuntu 9.10 tht's y i said  have official version of 9.01  it's out
[20:51] <BluesKaj> apparle, read above
[20:51] <kgeek> apparle: go o launhpad dude
[20:52] <Problem> kgeek : this is the version i installed and then updated the system
[20:52] <kgeek> Problem: hmm ..then its alright .
[20:52] <Problem> jad_ : any ideas?
[20:53] <jad_> Problem: yes if you can get on the wireless from that
[20:54] <Problem> jad_ : can we use the cd i have?
[20:54] <slawek__> kgeek: error! no 9.01, now is 9.10 !!!!!!!
[20:54] <jad_> Problem: as long as you can get on the net yes
[20:54] <kgeek> slawek__: wat?
[20:55] <kgeek> slawek__: oh that's ma mistake sry!
[20:55] <slawek__> no problem!
[20:55] <Problem> jad_ : so i insert my cd , do apt-cd, and then what command?
[20:56] <jad_> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[20:58] <Problem> thanks
[20:58] <Problem> and that would be all?
[20:58] <Problem> all missing libs
[20:58] <Problem> will be ok?
[20:58] <Problem> or i have to install that which i removed
[20:59] <Problem> i guess it will be a dependency of kde
[20:59] <aLeSD> how could I change desktob by the keyboard
[20:59] <aLeSD> ?
[20:59] <jad_> yes
[20:59] <kgeek> Problem: apt-get resolves all dependencies dude ..be tension free
[20:59] <jad_> aLeSD: ctrl+Fn
[21:00] <Problem> kgeek : cool
[21:00] <kgeek> alexei: ctrl+f1or +f2+ f3
[21:00] <K-Hyoga> Hi all, just a fast "hello" from a brand new Kubuntu user :)
[21:01] <Mamarok> kgeek: what is flor?
[21:01] <Mamarok> !hi | K-Hyoga
[21:04] <jad_> K-Hyoga: Welcome to Kubuntu!
[21:09] <deivid> hi?? i needhelp installing the fingeprint reader...stuck on editting the common-auth file
[21:09] <jad_> deivid: are you following instructions from somewhere?
[21:09] <deivid> yes
[21:10] <kexman> pfff now my sound is missing
[21:11] <deivid> http://www.guia-ubuntu.org/index.php?title=Fingerprint_Reader (the spanish version, i guess its the same in eng)
[21:11] <second_nick> hi
[21:11] <second_nick> how
[21:11] <Problematic> how
[21:12] <Problematic> to make a livecd repositoryu
[21:13] <aLeSD> jad_: I haven't Fn
[21:13] <jad_> Zoing: I don't understand the question
[21:13] <jad_> aLeSD: n is a number
[21:13] <jad_> aLeSD: 1 2 3
[21:13] <jad_> so ^F1 ^F2 ^F3
[21:13] <kexman> isnt there any method to use remote login from a kubuntu livecd ?
[21:13] <aLeSD> hey
[21:13] <Zoing> jad_ : its problem here. apt-cd failed
[21:13] <aLeSD> it works
[21:13] <aLeSD> :)
[21:13] <aLeSD> tx
[21:13] <Zoing> jad_ : is it the correct command?
[21:13] <FloodBotK2> aLeSD: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:15] <KjetilK> are there any major issues with 9.10 that has come up in the last few days that aren't in the release notes?
[21:15] <Pr0blem> jad_ : apt-cd isnt the correct command
[21:15] <jad_> Pr0blem: It's apt-cdrom
[21:15] <Pr0blem> ooh ok
[21:16] <kgeek> does any budy  faced this problem that ..in this 9.10  it is very difficult to connect to a secured wireless network ..
[21:17] <deivid> too busy around here, well thanks for help anyways im out
[21:17] <GrosSeb> Is there a tutorial or some resources about reseting KDE mime types to restore the default ones after a strange 9.04 upgrade ?
[21:17] <Pr0blem> jad_ : ok but how to use the command. plain apt-cdrom doesnt do it
[21:18] <BluesKaj> kgeek, network manager?
[21:18] <kgeek> BluesKaj: wat u want  to say ..!!
[21:19] <BlakHat_> hi guyz, does anyone know how i can automatically load the uinput driver at bootime and set its permissions in kubuntu?
[21:19] <kgeek> BluesKaj: actully i m  nt able to connect to my hostels wireless router .while other people who r u using win box are well connected ,,
[21:20] <BluesKaj> kgeek, network manager has wpa connect problems , so I use wicd instead
[21:22] <BluesKaj> !info wicd | kgeek
[21:22] <jad_> Pr0blem: sudo apt-cdrom
[21:23] <kgeek> BluesKaj:  ya i used network maneger ..
[21:23] <kgeek> BluesKaj: wats wicd.
[21:23] <kgeek> BluesKaj: that i did ..bot info ..
[21:24] <kgeek> BluesKaj: :p thnx
[21:30] <Problemito> jad_ : it opens a list and says add to add cdrom and some options
[21:30] <Problemito>  23:25:15 | <Pr0blem> so its not the full command
[21:30] <Problemito> jad_ : it opens a list and says add to add cdrom and some options
[21:30] <Problemito>  23:25:15 | <Pr0blem> so its not the full command
[21:30] <FloodBotK2> Problemito: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:31] <jad_> If it's the live CD it won't work
[21:31] <Problemito> it is the livecd
[21:31] <neoandersen> BluesKaj: nothing worked
[21:31] <BluesKaj> kgeek, copy and paste this url in your sources.list, deb http://apt.wicd.net karmic extras
[21:32] <kgeek> oh fine
[21:32] <kexman> how can i make my kubuntu have wifi connection right at boot ?
[21:32] <kexman> 9.04
[21:32] <kgeek> BluesKaj: oh thnxx dude i m able to installllllll  it form apt-get ..directly ..without that addition of link to souce list
[21:32] <neoandersen> BluesKaj: I have uploaded the outputs in flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/garotobossanova/?saved=1
[21:33] <kgeek> BluesKaj: it is already their in repository ..
[21:36] <BluesKaj> kgeek, install wicd , it will autodisable network manager and you can then setup wicd wifi for you secure network
[21:37] <kgeek> BluesKaj: actuallly while installing Wcid it is removing network manager..
[21:38] <jad_> Problemito: get a wired connection
[21:38] <kgeek> BluesKaj:   if it will remoove it then how i'll be able to instal it from apt-get..my wired net will go along with network maneger.!
[21:40] <BluesKaj> kgeek, networkmanger will work until wicd is installed
[21:41] <kgeek> BluesKaj: are u sure !!
[21:42] <BluesKaj> neoandersen, a clean install of the live cd is prolly in order and you can save your data if you use the manual partitioning option on your /  partition.  That's how I rescued my install from disaster. You may need to reinstall some apps  but their config files will have remained intact so your settings will be retained.'
[21:43] <BluesKaj> kgeek, yes, if wicd doesn't work you can always re-enable network manager from the widgets or the run box, after removing wicd
[21:44] <kexman> OMG
[21:44] <kexman> 9.04 = not that good .....
[21:44] <somekool> thats why 9.10 was released
[21:44] <carpii_> ive a windows server, and a windows desktop. Im connecting to these from ubuntu via samba, and the server works fine.  The desktop keeps prompting for a username/pwd which I cant provide. How can I fix this?
[21:44] <carpii_> On both server and desktop, I did nothing other than share the default admin share for C$
[21:45] <fabri> hi
[21:45] <kexman> somekool ... the upgrade option has dissapeared !
[21:45] <neoandersen> BluesKaj: I have big unfinished torrent  files on transmission... I can't lose them...
[21:45] <kexman> logout / login = not helping
[21:45] <kexman> restarted ....
[21:45] <kexman> its like windows
[21:45] <kexman> but even sound stopped working :)))))
[21:45] <kexman> just like that
[21:45] <kexman> it says the .... analog is not working switching to digital ....
[21:46] <kexman> the soundcard is not working in english :)
[21:46] <fabri> in DVD i386 of Koala ther is the Netbook installation?
[21:46] <kexman> how should i upgrade ?
[21:46] <kexman> fresh install
[21:46] <BluesKaj> neoandersen, then you just have too many unresolved issues that I'm not able to help you with , sorry :(
[21:46] <GrosSeb> Sorry, but i'm going to ask it once again : is there a tutorial or some resources about reseting KDE mime types to restore the default ones after a strange 9.04 upgrade ?
[21:47] <kexman> haha its getting better and better
[21:47] <neoandersen> BluesKaj: ok thanks
[21:47] <kexman> i can only update no upgrade ... purely dissapeared !
[21:47] <Sinkro63> hi. I use 9.10 gnome. i wonder if its the same annoing notification area applet in kubuntu?
[21:48] <BluesKaj> kexman, install update-manager
[21:48] <Sinkro63> a black square?
[21:48] <Idhan>  I need to install gdb 6.8 instead of 7.0.. how can I do that? is for netbeans..they do not support gdb 7.0
[21:49] <Sinkro63> is thera a black square when You recive a notification in Kbuntu?
[21:49] <kexman> only for gnome ?
[21:49] <kexman> this is kubuntu we are in :)
[21:49] <Sinkro63> yes
[21:50] <Sinkro63> are there a black square when You recive a msg?
[21:50] <Sinkro63> yes or no?
[21:50] <Sinkro63> in gnome ther is.
[21:50] <Sinkro63> but is there in kubuntu?
[21:50] <Idhan> Sinkro63: which type of msg?
[21:51] <Sinkro63> idhan: fx. when you get a message from a friend i pidgin
[21:51] <Sinkro63> and you dont have focus on pidgin
[21:52] <Sinkro63> or when you got a mail
[21:52] <kexman> should i run a partial upgrade ?
[21:52] <kexman> that is what update-manager says
[21:52] <Sinkro63> U dont seem toknow what I talking about
[21:52] <gorgonzola> helo. just reinstalled karmic from beta, and jockey is not offering to install propietary drivers. help?
[21:52] <Idhan> that depend of each application.. there isn't a system-try program that capture all these msgs..
[21:52] <Sinkro63> eg Kubuntu dont show a black square
[21:53] <Sinkro63> no notification area applet?
[21:53] <Idhan> Sinkro63: yes..they are.. amsn display an icon for messeges and email as example
[21:54] <Idhan> evolution is the same..
[21:54] <jwx> how do I change kdm theme? kdmrc? is thee graphical way?
[21:54] <gorgonzola> jwx you mean the login manager theme?
[21:54] <Sinkro63> ok
[21:54] <Idhan> but each program does it in its own way.. and you can always configurate this mgs
[21:54] <Sinkro63>  tnx
[21:54] <jwx> gorgonzola: yes
[21:55] <gorgonzola> jwx ssytem settings -> advanced -> login manager
[21:55] <gorgonzola> jwx ssytem settings -> advanced -> login manager -> theme, actually :)
[21:55] <Sinkro63> in gnome You can per application turn it on or of, but when its on this Notification area show an black square as an addition.
[21:55] <Sinkro63> very annoing
[21:56] <jwx> gorgonzola: thanks =) how could I miss that.. thanks
[21:56] <Idhan> Sinkro63: sure..but this for sure are only gnome applications..
[21:57] <Sinkro63> I have done a fresh install of ubuntu 9.10. should i do a new frsh with kubuntu or is there an other way?
[21:57] <gorgonzola> jwx np. enjoy.
[21:57] <kexman> BluesKaj: should i run the partial upgrade that update-manager recommends ?
[21:58] <BluesKaj> kexman, yes
[21:58] <jwx> gorgonzola: I will =) installed kubuntu the other day.. looks great
[21:58] <Idhan> Sinkro63: you can install kde on ubuntu..as a second graphics enviroment.. however from kde you can install any gnome program.. if you are in gnome, not all the program are supported.. as example I use kile.. you cann't install it..at least not directly from the apt-get
[21:58] <BluesKaj> kexman, you need to update first, then upgrade
[21:59] <v1ttu_> heyyyyyyyyy o/
[21:59] <neoandersen> is there a way to undo an unsuccessful upgrade from 8.04 to 9.10?
[21:59] <jwx> only thing left to change is the grub.. says beta and bliks.. not the best first impression lol
[22:00] <v1ttu_> ummmmm can i ask about kmail problems here?
[22:00] <BluesKaj> neoandersen, did you try to go directly from 8.04 to 9.10 ?
[22:00] <ctb> Anyone having problems with bad signatures on index files from "http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com karmic-updates Release"?
[22:00] <gorgonzola> v1ttu yes, just ask the question , don't ask to ask. :)
[22:01] <gorgonzola> anyone else having problems getting jockey to show drivers?
[22:01] <v1ttu_> lol kk
[22:01] <v1ttu_> when i try to reply i get this
[22:01] <v1ttu_> Your SMTP server does not support The server responded: "INVALID SASL FORMAT OR LENGTH".
[22:01] <v1ttu_> wtf does that mean O___0
[22:04] <v1ttu_> i gues noone knows </3
[22:04] <v1ttu_> guess*
[22:07] <C00LARR0w> to do full disk encryption i need to use the alternate cd for the install correct?
[22:12] <kexman> suspend to disk doesnt work neither :P
[22:17] <Scunizi> I'm on a vm'd version of 9.04 and have done the updates but 4 are held back, linux headers, kernel, restricted extras & image generic.. not just held back but "Blocked" .. Why?
[22:19] <Scunizi> The one option that still exists is to upgrade to 9.10 which I'm currently attempting....
[22:21] <Scunizi> aproximate wait time 1 hr 13 minutes on my connection..
[22:25] <Shoshana> where i can get kubuntu wallpaper default ( the blue ) in some res ?
[22:25] <Shoshana> reslution
[22:26] <JontheEchidna> The folder at /usr/share/wallpapers/Air/contents/images has it in several resolutions
[22:26] <JontheEchidna> Scunizi: in 9.04 KPackageKit could not handle updates that installed new packages, which doesn't happen in 9.10 any more
[22:27] <Shoshana> i dont have kubuntu i just want the wallpapaer, you can send me please ?
[22:27] <stefanjrklb> hello :)
[22:27] <v1ttu_> lol kpackagekit ....
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> Shoshana: you should be able to just install kdebase-workspace-wallpapers for that
[22:28] <Shoshana> i need to write sudo get-apt kdebase-workspace-wallpapers ?
[22:28] <JontheEchidna> sudo apt-get install kdebase-workspace-wallpapers
[22:28] <Scunizi> JontheEchidna: thanks.. I'll see how the system reacts after the 9.10 upgrade is complete.. I'm not expecting any issues after that but you never know.. kde is certainly looking much better lately (this coming from a 5 yr gnome user.) :)
[22:28] <kutuZov> does anybody of you know how to change the login windows with ubuntu 9.10? After installing the xubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop package I've always this strange xubuntu login screen and kubuntu splash creen and I want my nice ubuntu theme back.
[22:28] <Shoshana> and then i go to /usr/share/wallpapers/Air/contents/images ?
[22:28] <stefanjrklb> What deos it mean that I have to add development kit ??
[22:29] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[22:29] <JontheEchidna> Scunizi: the held back packages should not cause any issues, since KPackageKit doesn't do the actual updating to 9.10
[22:29]  * ctb is away: Gone away for now
[22:30] <dvheumen> sorry ... but I just *have* to ask ... What's the deal with the moving power management (battery) information in the Battery Monitor plasmoid??? :P
[22:30] <Scunizi> thanks JontheEchidna... after the upgrade.. just for general info.. does KPackageKit use aptitude or apt ? or is it another?
[22:30] <JontheEchidna> Scunizi: It's a KDE frontend for PackageKit
[22:30]  * ctb is back.
[22:31] <JontheEchidna> PackageKit is a cross-distro package system that has backends for apt, rpm, etc
[22:31] <Scunizi> JontheEchidna: and packagekit is different then aptitude & apt? what's the basic usage on cli?
[22:31] <JontheEchidna> packagekit doesn't have a cli interface
[22:31] <JontheEchidna> ultimately apt, aptitude, packagekit-apt all interface with dpkg
[22:31] <v1ttu_> packagekit is a disaster
[22:32] <Scunizi> JontheEchidna: ah.. ok.
[22:33] <JontheEchidna> let's just say packagekit fails less in 9.10. ;-) It's very far from perfect still
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> but I've always used apt-get
[22:34] <Scunizi> too bad synaptic didn't get a makeover for kde
[22:34] <roKB> !commands
[22:34] <v1ttu_> use the terminal instead of kborkigekit ¬_¬
[22:35] <neoandersen> BluesKaj: the last time I had this problem I was going from 8.04 to 8.10 or 9.04 I am not sure...
[22:35] <roKB> !next
[22:35]  * claydoh likes kpackagekit, mostly, it passes the Spouse Test here
[22:35] <neoandersen> BluesKaj: but, anyway, in the grub it appears as 8.04 2 since then and now...
[22:35] <roKB> !<3 Di_Ana
[22:36] <neoandersen> BluesKaj: the last time I just lost the X and now the system is not mounting...
[22:37] <BluesKaj> neoandersen, you have to install all the versions between 8,04 and 9.10 , by upgrading from 8.04 to 8.10, theen to 9.04, then to 9.10, youcan't skip over any distos
[22:37] <neoandersen> BluesKaj: there must be a way to mount it and continue with the upgrade process...
[22:37] <baxeico_> Hi guys, I've a problem in Kubuntu 9.10: when I close kontact, I can still see a kontact process in System Activity (together with many kio_http, kio_imap4 and kio_file). If I try to launch kontact again, nothing happens
[22:38] <baxeico_> If I kill the kontact process in System Activity, I can launch kontact again
[22:38] <baxeico_> any idea?
[22:38] <v1ttu_> yea
[22:39] <Scunizi> v1ttu_: such verbosity.. you're killing us with detail.. :)
[22:39] <claydoh> BluesKaj: you can go directly from 8.04 to 9.10 directly: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KarmicUpgrades/Kubuntu/8.04
[22:40] <claydoh> I don't know how ell tested it is, tho I had success using a bone-stock vanilla 8.04
[22:41] <v1ttu_> what more detail do you need for that question?
[22:43] <BluesKaj> claydoh, hmm , thatlooks like an ordinary clean install to me , with existing backup of apps in 8.10, with some help from the alternate installer cd, not an ordinary netupde/upgrade from the command line
[22:45] <neoandersen> I am without sound here on kubuntu on youtube...
[22:45] <BluesKaj> claydoh, i suspect that someone was advised to change the sources.list to karmic then do the upgrade from 8.10 , not a workable solution.
[22:46] <v1ttu_> neo how did you install flash?
[22:47] <NicoAJ> Hi! Does anybody know how to configure KMail so as to have each "set" of folders [Mailbox+OutBox+Drafts+etc] for each account ?
[22:47] <neoandersen> v1ttu_: there's no need to flash if your firefox is 3.5
[22:47] <v1ttu_> i see i dont use firefox
[22:47] <v1ttu_> are you using 64 bit?
[22:47] <neoandersen> yesh
[22:47] <neoandersen> yes
[22:48] <v1ttu_> how did you install flash?
[22:48] <neoandersen> what is the comand to see if my kubuntu is amd64 or  i386?
[22:48] <v1ttu_> sudo uname -a
[22:48] <Scunizi> neoandersen: lsb_release -a
[22:48] <robo78> sup
[22:49] <Scunizi> per
[22:49] <v1ttu_> 2 ways? spoilt for choice :p
[22:49] <Scunizi> it's a good thing
[22:49] <ulysses__> neoandersen: uname -m
[22:50] <neoandersen> it shows x86_64
[22:50] <BluesKaj> or uname -a for more info
[22:51] <dvheumen> 'lsb_release -a' doesn't show proc. architecture for me
[22:51] <baxeico_> thank you anyway. I'm going to fill a bug report
[22:51] <neoandersen> is x86_64 a mix of i386 and amd64?
[22:52] <ulysses__> no, its called from historical reason to amd64
[22:52] <Scunizi> dvheumen: doesn't for me either.... appologies to v1ttu_& neoandersen .. for some reason that stuck in my head.
[22:52] <BluesKaj> neoandersen, no that's 64
[22:52] <claydoh> BluesKaj: the 8.04-9.10 instructions are for both methods, and is officially supported
[22:52] <dvheumen> Scunizi, well, no prob, ofcourse ;)
[22:53] <BluesKaj> claydoh, ok good to know , thanks for the tip :)
[22:53] <neoandersen> what is a good book to learn about the ubuntu OS structure?
[22:54] <v1ttu_> neo how did you install flash??
[22:54] <NicoAJ> any hints for Kmail?
[22:55] <Vlado9A3CY> neoandersen: the best book is google :)
[22:55] <neoandersen> v1ttu_: I use more ubuntu then I just go to synaptic and search for flash plugin...
[22:55] <baxeico_> here it is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/471854
[22:56] <neoandersen> you can search for gecko
[22:56] <verruckt> народ, здорово, кто может подсказать правильную схему настройки локалхоста
[22:56] <neoandersen> there are non-free flash plaugin for amd64 in the adobe site...
[22:57] <Scunizi> neoandersen: I think it's called the ubuntu reference guide that is freely available as a pdf download.. is a good place to start.  Also search for references on scribd.com .. B&N & Amazon have tons of stuff
[22:57] <Shoshana> There is possible like in windows 7 (mini preview / eliipse tabs) example : http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/8396/74754754858.jpg
[22:58] <ulysses__> there's a book called Ubuntu Pocket Guide, can be download free from amazon, if I remember good
[22:58] <ulysses__> Shoshana: try Smooth STasks plasmoid, it can be installed via KPackageKit
[22:58] <BluesKaj> time to put the aptop away for another day
[22:59] <ulysses__> uhm, I failed, I found only stasks...:P
[23:00] <ulysses__> this is it: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Smooth+Tasks?content=101586
[23:04] <Scunizi> While pointing at the above link and getting the thumbnail.. it shows a Windows registry cleaner ad but when you go to the site .. it's not there.. how does that happen?
[23:05] <Shoshana> There is possible like in windows 7 (mini preview / eliipse tabs) example : http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/8396/74754754858.jpg
[23:12] <Shoshana> There is possible like in windows 7 (mini preview / eliipse tabs) example : http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/8396/74754754858.jpg
[23:14] <yofel> Shoshana: it is possible to have window thumbnails when hovering taskbar entries, but they aren't klickable (yet) like in W7
[23:19] <insulina> hello, i just installed the last kubunto on my pc. how do i put wireless network working ? I am trying to use knetworkmanager but I cant connect ...
[23:19] <insulina> I am trying to connect to wpa2/tkip
[23:21] <yofel> insulina: do you see any wireless networks?
[23:21] <insulina> yes
[23:21] <insulina> i see mine
[23:22] <yofel> and where does it fail?
[23:25] <yofel> insulina: did you say something?  Got disconnected for a moment
[23:30] <Scunizi> yofel: he/she said that they see their own network
[23:31] <insulina_> i am he
[23:33] <Scunizi> insulina: I would turn off all wpa/wep encryption and then connect.. once connected you should be able to go back and redo the encryption on the router then edit the connection on Kubuntu
[23:34] <insulina_> humm , i will try
[23:34] <insulina_> in my last computer i had to compile something in the kernel to have tkip suport ... do i have to do it in kubunto ?
[23:35] <Scunizi> insulina: not sure if that is already implemented in 9.10 or not.. wireless is getting better.. so best just to try
[23:35] <yofel> insulina: when you place your mouse over the kNM icon in the systray while it's connecting it should tell you what it's doing right now. What's the last thing it tries?
[23:38] <insulina_> i will try to reboot my router ...
[23:48] <jeiworth> geez and i was bughunting big time to get my speakers working again after karmic upgrade where only the jack-output worked but not the lap-speakers just to find out that after the upgrade the speakers-output-level was reset to 0 :P
[23:50] <insulina__> didnt work, i also try wep , and didnt work :(
[23:53] <jeiworth> but amarok still doesn't start :(
[23:53] <n16h7f0x> do i have to install any other packages for my ati hd 4340 video card for opengl to work on 9.10 or it works by default (please excuse my eng and advice)


[17:26] <belkinsa> bregma, do you know that you still have a work item with the Doc Team?
[17:27] <belkinsa> [bregma] circulate updates to ubuntu-doc when major features land/change: TODO
[17:27] <bregma> belkinsa, was that for 14.04, 14.10, or just ongoing?
[17:38] <belkinsa> For 14.04 but I have moved to 14.10.
[17:38] <belkinsa> I guess it could be ongoing since we need that very cycle.
[19:35] <Volkard> hello
[19:36] <Volkard> Hello
[19:39]  * genii slides Volkard a fresh beverage
[19:40] <Volkard> why thank you genii
[19:40] <genii> You're welcome :)
[19:50] <BobJonkman1> Hello Volkard!
[19:51] <Volkard> Hey BobJonkman1
[19:51] <BobJonkman1> I haven't seen your nick before... New here?
[19:51] <Volkard> I am
[19:51] <BobJonkman1> Welcome!
[19:52] <Volkard> Thank you.
[19:52] <BobJonkman1> Are you in Canada?
[19:53] <Volkard> Montreal
[19:53] <Volkard> I'm studying here.
[19:53] <BobJonkman1> Great! There's a number of people here from Montreal
[19:54] <BobJonkman1> There's also a French-language LoCo for Quebec, they hang out in #ubuntu-qc
[19:54] <BobJonkman1> (although I've seen English in that channel too)
[19:55] <BobJonkman1> I invite you to join the team on Launchpad, and join the Ubuntu-ca mailing list too. That's where most of the action takes place.
[19:55] <BobJonkman1> Aside from monthly IRC meetings, this channel is mostly genii sliding us coffee
[19:56] <genii> There is the occasional chit-chat, but yes, mostly quiet
[19:56] <Volkard> Alright, thanks for the recommendations.
[19:56] <BobJonkman1> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-ca to get you started
[19:58] <BobJonkman1> MagicFab from #ubuntu-qc may still be around (I don't see him online at the moment). He's the originator of Ubuntu Hours, and is in Montreal too. He might know about in-person activities in Montreal
[19:59] <BobJonkman1> There's a couple of regular Ubuntu Hours listed on the Ubuntu-ca Google calendar, but I don't know how up-to-date they are http://ur1.ca/extco
[20:01] <Volkard> Thanks a lot :)
[20:03] <BobJonkman1> De rien!