[08:38] <summers> i would like to announce a new ubuntu channel, #ubuntu-faggots, all are welcome to join
[08:45] <vish> kwwii: can you kick/ban ^
[08:59] <kwwii> there, no need
[09:00] <vish> kwwii: yup , just got kicked kicked from freenode ,he was spamming a lot of ubuntu channels ;)
[09:00] <kwwii> stupid, really
[09:05] <thorwil> stupid and not one bit creative
[09:07] <vish> heh , seems he is part of a group that is targeting the -women team  :/
[16:37] <Cimi> iainfarrell: how is it going? :)
[16:38] <kwwii> Cimi: I think iainfarrell is really busy today, not sure if he is checking irc
[16:38] <kwwii> Cimi: hi, btw
[16:38] <kwwii> :-)
[16:38] <knome> kwwii, is there a day he ISN'T busy?
[16:38] <iainfarrell> kwwii:  and Cimi I am here but yes very busy
[16:38] <iainfarrell> kwwii: flattery will get you everywhere
[16:38] <iainfarrell> Cimi: is it urgent or could it come to me via e-mail?
[16:38] <Cimi> iainfarrell: nothing urgent, just want to say hello :)
[16:39] <knome> me too! hi iainfarrell :)
[16:39] <iainfarrell> phew! hi to both Cimi and knome :)
[16:39] <kwwii> hehe
[16:39] <iainfarrell> apologies for not being more chatty of late
[16:40] <iainfarrell> the life of a project manager is fraught :)
[16:40] <knome> iainfarrell, no problem. you can always compensate for this later on, by offering us free beer, for example
[16:40] <Cimi> ahah
[16:40] <thorwil> everyone is very busy! where will that get me?
[16:41] <knome> grave, eventually
[16:42] <thorwil> knome: heh, thanks for cheering me up! though that "eventually" seems to indicate i could get that wrong!
[16:42] <knome> :D
[16:42] <knome> i'm not sure about the grave part, though, since people tend to get cremated as well
[16:42] <knome> but i'm sure you'll die one day.
[16:43]  * thorwil goes to have a woman treat parts of his body with scissors
[16:43] <knome> (just make sure you die because of busyness, since otherwise i had made an another false statement) ;)
[16:43] <iainfarrell> knome: next time you're in London, it's a deal
[16:43] <kwwii> thorwil: you are scaring me
[16:44] <knome> iainfarrell, heh, okay :) so when does canonical invite us the next time? ;)
[16:44] <thorwil> kwwii: haircut ;)
[16:44] <iainfarrell> heh knome that's an excellent question
[16:44] <knome> no seriously, i'll get in touch if/when i most possibly get there next time
[16:45] <kwwii> thorwil: only if you are lucky
[16:45] <kwwii> it could all go horribly wrong
[16:45] <knome> kwwii, at least then he would die, and reach at least one goal
[16:46] <knome> kwwii, (didn't you see he was fearful about the fact he might go wrong in dying too, eh?)
[16:46] <kwwii> hehe
[16:46] <kwwii> sooo...if anyone wants to test the new theme engine with a new version of Ambiance, check out ppa:ken-vandine/dx-theme
[16:47]  * knome makes a not of that
[16:47] <knome> *note
[16:51] <kwwii> I'll send an email around later with instructions, a list of changes, etc
[16:51] <kwwii> basically, a list of what Cimi and myself achieved last week :p
[16:51] <knome> heh
[17:31] <zniavre_> ambiance is quite nice like that too (still do not like so much the big expander +/-
[18:11] <kwwii> zniavre_: the expander is currently too dark, need to lighten it up quite a bit
[19:03] <dashua> kwwii, http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/74748/screenshot_P0G0jT.png
[19:04] <dashua> Haven't messed with the CSD stuff yet.  Still on Lucid.
[19:09] <vish> holly *** , kenvandine's ppa has a lot of stuff!
[19:14] <dashua> Heya vish
[19:14] <vish> hey
[19:15] <dashua> How's things mate?
[19:16] <vish> hehe , i was about to say , "busy" and was fearful of thorwil ;p
[19:16] <dashua> Ha
[19:42] <zniavre_> dashua, good evening , how did you get the network-manager into indicator-applet please?
[19:43] <dashua> Hey zniavre_, it's still in the notification area
[19:44] <zniavre_> ho?  ok ...
[19:44] <dashua> Yeah, I haven't test ConnMann yet.
[19:44] <zniavre_> connmann ?
[19:45] <zniavre_> there is a soft to use nm-applet into indicator thing?
[19:45] <dashua> The new connection manager to get it into the indicator applet
[19:46] <dashua> https://launchpad.net/indicator-network
[19:46] <dashua> vish, Better?
[19:47] <zniavre_> thank you dashua
[19:47] <vish> dashua: yup , \o/
[19:48] <dashua> zniavre_, https://launchpad.net/~indicator-network-developers/+archive/ppa
[19:48] <dashua> There's the PPA if you want to test it
[19:48] <dashua> vish, Nice
[19:50] <vish> dashua: hmm , eclipse breaks the patchbar on regular nautilus :(
[19:51] <dashua> ah damn
[19:52] <dashua> I'll try to fix it.  Regular nautilus is ghastly to me now after using n-e
[19:53] <dashua> The breadcrumbs are probably fsk'ing it up
[19:53] <vish> dashua: afaik ,  it can be fixed the buttons are separate :/
[19:53] <vish> cant*
[19:54] <dashua> Guess you will need two versions, which sucks.
[19:54] <dashua> =/
[20:03] <zniavre> dashua,  thank for ppa
[20:04] <zniavre> it looks ok but half working
[20:07] <vish> Cimi: kwwii: the focus for the button and combobox are different > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1325768/Screenshot-The%20Widget%20Factory-1.png
[20:08] <vish> from ken's ppa^
[20:18] <vish> oh the pleasures of using mainline kernels! , when i try to take screenshots , X crashes at some point after that!
[20:37] <vish> wow! the gtkrc and metacity are both merged :)
[21:26] <kwwii> dashua: actually, the purple is only for the server
[21:42] <dashua> Ah, nice looking though.
[21:43] <dashua> New colors are nice.
[21:44] <dashua> The circle expanders need some tweaking.
[21:45] <dashua> Just tried CSD on my other laptop and there are just grey blocks where the buttons go.
[21:47] <dashua> I think I'm going to scew this laptop up too.
[21:47]  * dashua upgrades
[21:48] <kwwii> dashua: I think that is a bug
[21:49] <kwwii> ie. it happens to everyone
[21:49] <kwwii> the expanders need to be much lighter
[21:49] <dashua> Yeah, I enabled all 3 of the CSD options.  Everything else works good.
[21:50] <dashua> The buttons works, just no the theme ones.
[21:50] <kwwii> right
[21:58] <dashua> The bg and selected bg are really nice.
[21:58] <kwwii> I made quite a few small changes which really effect lots of bits
[21:59] <kwwii> look at the radio buttons, that is one change in the engine
[21:59] <dashua> Oh didn't notice that
[22:00] <dashua> Solid focus is awesome
[22:00] <dashua> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/74805/selection_008_hwkC99.png
[22:01] <kwwii> Cimi did some great work...I was amazed how fast it was
[22:01] <dashua> Yeah, good stuff
[22:05] <kwwii> dashua: note that I put the source of the buttons in the package as well
[22:05] <dashua> I hope this upgrade is not catastrophic.  Seems ok on my other machine.
[22:05] <kwwii> the engine upgrade will not break anything
[22:05] <kwwii> but eventually I think there will be a fork in the engine
[22:05] <dashua> kwwii, Oh , I only saw some corrupted images.
[22:06] <dashua> Maybe it didn't pull right
[22:06] <kwwii> I haven't heard of any problems
[22:06] <dashua> Oh no, I mean a Maverick upgrade
[22:06] <kwwii> ahhh
[22:06] <Cimi> cimi can be even faster xD
[22:06] <dashua> I usually wait until alpha 2 or 3 but I'm bored.
[22:07] <kwwii> lol
[22:07] <kwwii> Cimi: there is a ppa with the todays snapshot and the new themes available
[22:07] <kwwii> it will go into maverick after a bit of testing
[22:07] <dashua> Well, that purple can be changed back to the black.  Was just testing some things
[22:07] <dashua> Cimi, Hey mate
[22:08] <kwwii> dashua: you should make the dark-dark variant a seperate theme
[22:08] <dashua> I did
[22:08] <kwwii> dashua: we also wanted to make a very light theme as well
[22:08] <kwwii> cool
[22:08] <dashua> i renamed it
[22:08] <kwwii> excellent
[22:08] <dashua> Ambiance-Dark was confusing and for testing
[22:08] <kwwii> I started a version a long time ago called dark-dark
[22:08] <kwwii> lol
[22:08] <Cimi> kwwii: ivanka told me she would have contacted me on tuesday
[22:08] <kwwii> at first the themes were simply dark and light
[22:08] <kwwii> until we named them
[22:08] <dashua> I called it Eclipse.
[22:08] <Cimi> but I did not received any mail yet
[22:09] <kwwii> Cimi: ok, no worries on that front...she was *really* busy today
[22:09] <kwwii> Cimi: I will contact her tomorrow and get the current status
[22:09] <kwwii> Cimi: I'll call her while she is on the train :-)
[22:10] <dashua> kwwii, Lighter than Radiance?
[22:10] <Cimi> kwwii: just because I'd like to know the plans
[22:11] <kwwii> dashua: yeah, a nearly white theme
[22:11] <dashua> Oh nice
[22:11] <kwwii> dashua: I am going to make Radiance more grey, no yellow/brown in it
[22:11] <dashua> Radiance will evolve and a new lighter theme?
[22:11] <dashua> Cool
[22:12] <kwwii> the idea is to have a really dark theme, ambiance and radiance, and a really light theme
[22:12] <dashua> ah nice
[22:13] <kwwii> the nice thing about working on the dark and light themes is that you'd have a lot more freedom to work on it
[22:13] <vish> kwwii: the tabs look nice in -csd
[22:14] <kwwii> vish: the tabs in that should be the same as in the normal ambiance theme
[22:14] <kwwii> vish: hi, btw
[22:14] <vish> hmm , weird , then i have had an old version of the ambiance , the tabs were flat
[22:15] <vish> kwwii: now they are nice and curved
[22:15] <kwwii> vish: only the inactive ones have a slight gradient
[22:15] <vish> kwwii: yeah , that was what i was mentioning  :)
[22:16] <vish> heh, i was looking at the radio checkmarks and wondering if it was new ;)
[22:17] <kwwii> indeed that is all new
[22:17] <kwwii> as well as the button highlight states
[22:17] <kwwii> all the new colours
[22:17] <dashua> Cimi is a hacking madman.
[22:17] <kwwii> the gripper is now visible
[22:18] <vish> kwwii: did you check the button highlight? screenshot i posted above? the combobox and button active are a bit different
[22:18] <kwwii> vish: yeah, I saw that and I agree that they look different
[22:18] <kwwii> not sure why
[22:18] <kwwii> Cimi: ^ ?
[22:18] <vish> kwwii: the combobox active looks better :)
[22:19] <dashua> Cimi, kwwii, The murrine fork is for Ubuntu specific changes, right?
[22:20] <kwwii> dashua: no, it is for anyone
[22:20] <dashua> Cool
[22:20] <kwwii> dashua: we simply suggested some ideas...Cimi did not implement some of our crack :-)
[22:20] <vish> Cimi: looks like the combobox active is drawn below/behind the button and for the buttons it is drawn within the button
[22:20] <dashua> Hehe
[22:20] <kwwii> he always has to keep his existing userbase in mind
[22:20] <vish> kwwii: hmm , 4 themes by default ? ooh
[22:21] <kwwii> vish: it might very well be a problem with the way gtk draws the widget
[22:21] <vish> yeah
[22:23] <vish> lets switch to KDE ;p
[22:23] <kwwii> I still use kde as well :-)
[22:23] <vish> double agent!
[22:23] <kwwii> 7 years working on kde versus 5 on gnome
[22:24] <vish> kwwii: which do you like for theming?
[22:24] <vish> or prefer..
[22:24] <kwwii> gnome is easier for a non-techie to theme but kde is much more powerful and precise
[22:25] <vish> yeah .. :s
[22:25] <kwwii> not kde but qt itself
[22:26] <kwwii> although plasma is amazing
[22:26] <kwwii> super simple to theme
[22:26] <kwwii> better than gnome
[22:26] <kwwii> I must admit I have not tried to theme gnome3's shell
[22:27] <vish> gets dizzy if you use it for a while ;)
[22:29] <vish> and then theming it will be even tougher
[22:31] <kwwii> hehe
[22:31] <kwwii> try to theme unity
[22:31] <kwwii> :P
[22:32] <zniavre> can you theme this new expander ?
[22:32] <kwwii> zniavre: yes, as you always could
[22:32] <Cimi> here I am
[22:33] <zniavre> it did not change the desktop
[22:33] <kwwii> zniavre: not sure I understand
[22:34] <zniavre> http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/1473/capturexbr.png  > twf ok , the rest no
[22:35] <kwwii> zniavre: what is the "no" in that? I do not understand
[22:35]  * dashua reboots
[22:35] <kwwii> zniavre: after updating the theme engine you need to restart every app to apply the changes
[22:36] <kwwii> so log out and back in
[22:36] <zniavre> ok
[22:39] <zniavre> same ... : o( i did something wrong for sure but when and where
[22:39] <dashua> Relatively painless, for now ;)
[22:40] <kwwii> zniavre: what is the problem?
[22:40] <Cimi> kwwii: can I share the mockup (the button s) with cairo devs? :)
[22:40] <kwwii> zniavre: I still do not understand what the problem is
[22:40] <Cimi> just to know if they have ideas in how to implement the blur
[22:41] <kwwii> Cimi: certainly, everything is open now
[22:41] <kwwii> no more secrets from canonicals side
[22:41] <vish> nooooooo!
[22:41] <kwwii> we just needed to keep the original work a secret until we could develop the first version
[22:41] <vish> kwwii:  where/how will we get controversies  :(
[22:42] <vish> ;p
[22:42] <kwwii> lol
[22:44]  * vish waiting for a murrine fork \o/
[22:44] <dashua> kwwii, The buttons you mention should be in the src directory?
[22:44] <kwwii> vish: the best way to make that happen would be to suggest lots of ideas for improvement
[22:45] <kwwii> I already have my list :-)
[22:45] <kwwii> dashua: yes, indeed
[22:45] <dashua> Hrm
[22:45] <dashua> I have two images and they seem corrupt
[22:45] <kwwii> ouch
[22:45] <kwwii> it should be two svgs
[22:45] <vish> ooh , open to new ideas , even better :)
[22:46] <kwwii> one with the lucid state and one with maverick ideas
[22:46] <dashua> Ah disregard
[22:46] <dashua> They open fine in Inkscape
[22:46] <zniavre> kwwii, sorry for my bad english
[22:47] <kwwii> zniavre: no worries, I just want to understand
[22:47] <vish> dashua: which buttons?
[22:47] <kwwii> dashua: indeed, they are svg's
[22:47] <Cimi> kwwii: and give cimi a lot of money would be good too :P
[22:47] <vish> i see only png , from the ppa
[22:47] <kwwii> Cimi: hehe, indeed!
[22:48] <zniavre> the problem is i made some change in gtkrc for expander it works with twf but not in nautilus(elementary) rhythmbox and xchat im looking for what i did wrong
[22:48] <kwwii> vish: in the src dir in the source of the package?
[22:48] <vish> hmm , i dont think i have the src
[22:49] <kwwii> vish: then you do not have the latest stuff
[22:49] <kwwii> it is definitely in the source
[22:50] <kwwii> although I have already updated things they are the versions of what is now included with the latest update
[22:50] <kwwii> more changes coming soon
[22:50] <kwwii> well, am off work until monday
[22:50] <vish> kwwii: ken'ppa or a different one?
[22:50] <kwwii> vish: kenvandine'S ppa
[22:51] <kwwii> I will include a newer snapshot in my ppa sometime soon
[22:51] <kwwii> but maybe not until monday
[22:51] <kwwii> zniavre: I honestly do not know why that would be a problem
[22:52] <kwwii> zniavre: just remember to restart all apps after updating the engine
[22:52] <kwwii> and re-select the theme in the appearance dialog
[22:52] <kwwii> sometimes it helps to log out and back in
[22:53] <kwwii> or "killall nautilus && nautilus"
[23:00] <kwwii> then again, I think nautilus will respawn
[23:01] <kwwii> but anyway
[23:01] <zniavre> thank you
[23:01] <zniavre> i did that already
[23:02] <kwwii> hrm, what is the exact problem?
[23:02] <kwwii> I cannot see what you mean
[23:02] <kwwii> or at least, I have not noticed it in the pic you suggested
[23:03] <zniavre> sorry i do not want to disturb all of you more with my silly stuff
[23:06] <kwwii> zniavre: it is not silly stuff
[23:06] <kwwii> zniavre: don't worry, if I understand I will help
[23:07] <kwwii> if I can, that is
[23:07] <kwwii> :-)
[23:07] <kwwii> nobody here cares about language
[23:07] <zniavre> except me ...  :o(
[23:07] <kwwii> lol
[23:07] <kwwii> I have spent 3 weeks in brussels trying to speak french
[23:07] <kwwii> trust me, I understand
[23:08] <kwwii> my accent is wonderful but I simply don't know enough words or vocabulary!
[23:08] <zniavre> so (maybe another question can help) why the gtkrc modifications can works with the widget factory (twf) and not with the desktop ?
[23:08] <kwwii> what is the difference?
[23:09] <kwwii> twf is not exactly perfect either
[23:10] <kwwii> the widget laboratory is somewhat better
[23:10] <kwwii> from my experience
[23:10] <knome> kwwii, where to get that?
[23:10] <kwwii> you really need to test things in their real state
[23:10] <kwwii> knome: there is a ppa
[23:10] <knome> there?
[23:10] <kwwii> launchpad is your friend
[23:10] <knome> no ppa's here
[23:10] <kwwii> lol
[23:11]  * knome even checked his pants
[23:11] <zniavre> nautilus -q
[23:11] <zniavre> :o\
[23:11] <kwwii> second google link: https://launchpad.net/twl
[23:11] <kwwii> -q?
[23:11] <zniavre> restart
[23:11] <kwwii> never heard of that
[23:11] <kwwii> ahhh
[23:12] <kwwii> zniavre: what are the problems you see?
[23:12] <kwwii> zniavre: I do not understand the problem
[23:12] <zniavre> i can 't see my change in my theme (only twf show the nex colors)
[23:13] <zniavre> new*
[23:13] <kwwii> sounds like gnome-settings-deamon died
[23:13] <kwwii> restart your desktop and it should be fixed
[23:13] <kwwii> or restart gnome-settings-deamon
[23:14] <zniavre> ok
[23:15] <knome> kwwii, cheers :P
[23:16] <kwwii> :-)
[23:16] <kwwii> my next suggestion is to get parasite
[23:16] <kwwii> a great gtk module
[23:16] <kwwii> for findind and special casing gtk stuff
[23:17] <zniavre> yep i tried it but it's ununderstandable for me
[23:17] <kwwii> it is indeed complex
[23:17] <kwwii> anyway
[23:17] <kwwii> time for sleep soon
[23:18] <zniavre> http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/3489/capture1jm.png
[23:19] <kwwii> zniavre: yes, that is the new style
[23:19] <kwwii> what is the problem?
[23:19] <zniavre> the color
[23:19] <kwwii> ahhh
[23:19] <kwwii> now I see
[23:20] <kwwii> hrm, seems like a wierd bug
[23:20] <zniavre> ha!
[23:20] <zniavre> :o)
[23:20] <kwwii> Cimi: ^ see the problem in that screenshot?
[23:20] <kwwii> Cimi: http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/3489/capture1jm.png
[23:20] <kwwii> Cimi: any idea what that is?
[23:28]  * zniavre is happy he's a bit understandable
[23:28] <Cimi> no
[23:29] <Cimi> it is using
[23:29] <Cimi> wait
[23:31] <Cimi> it is fg
[23:42] <zniavre> http://paste.ubuntu-fr-secours.org/src-95451  im using this strange color_set just to try


[00:02] <schierbeck> jelmer: ping
[00:08] <jaavaaguru> Hi, we're trialling using Bazaar in place of SVN in the place I work, primarily because it handles merging, and multiple personal branches much better. Some of my colleagues using Windows have had problems setting up bzr-gtk, and it looks like the problems are GTK related.
[00:09] <jaavaaguru> One of the guys mailed the list today, but it doesn't seem to have arrived... although that may be something he did wrong
[00:09] <jaavaaguru> I was wondering if it's worth pursuing a wxWidgets client, as we have other things using GTK, and there are various installations of GTK going around on Windows
[00:10] <jaavaaguru> (they're mainly looking for GUI diff/merge support)
[00:20] <Peng> I know you can set bzr to use external diff programs (difftools plugin), and there's probably something for merging too.
[00:20] <Peng> I doubt anyone would be mad if you made a wxWidgets client, though.....
[00:20] <jaavaaguru> Peng: really? cool. I haven't seen that yet
[00:20] <jaavaaguru> I'll have a look now
[00:22] <jaavaaguru> I may have a look into wxWidgets support in the long term, as I've made a wxWidgets client for one of our internal systems using Python. I'm loving Python and wx seems pretty simple to develop for
[00:22] <Peng> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/41435
[00:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 41435 in bzr "Framework for external diff/merge tools" [Medium,Confirmed]
[00:22] <Peng> difftools and extmerge, apparently.
[00:23] <jaavaaguru> cool, that will make some of my colleagues happy. I'm pretty happy with the standard bzr diff, and have had no merge problems that I can't solve myself, so I'm happier using bzr than svn so far
[00:24] <jaavaaguru> I'm in the UK, so it's getting kind of late just now. I intend having a look at Bazaar's API tomorrow. Any suggested URLs?
[00:24] <Peng> Bazaar has a cool diff algorithm. :)
[00:24] <Peng> patiencediff.
[00:25] <Peng> jaavaaguru: I dunno. http://bazaar-vcs.org/
[00:25] <jaavaaguru> One thing we miss though: being able to ignore changes between CRLF and LF line endings
[00:26] <jaavaaguru> ;-)
[00:26] <Peng> jaavaaguru: http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/latest/developers/HACKING.html , perhaps.
[00:26] <jaavaaguru> we do mixed Linux/Solaris/Mac/Windows stuff
[00:26] <Peng> jaavaaguru: Yeah, there are proposals about that, but none of it is finished.
[00:26] <jaavaaguru> Thanks Peng, sorry if I'm coming across as being lazy just now
[00:28] <jaavaaguru> If I come up with anything cool, I'll add it to Launchpad along with the CCNet plugin I wrote for Bazaar, and let you guys know
[00:29] <jaavaaguru> I've been watching the progress of 0.92 on the list... looks very good :-)
[00:30] <Peng> Yep.
[00:31] <jaavaaguru> I'm in a team of 6 people within our department and our team has been using bazaar for the last 4 weeks. We're developing a Mono/.Net app, and are using CruiseControl.NET. Seems like some of those choices may be making things difficult for ourselves, but it's all a good learning experience
[00:32] <jaavaaguru> From my experience so far, I'm all for anything that helps pick up support for bazaar among the Windows guys :-)
[00:32] <Peng> :)
[00:47] <keir> jaavaaguru, what choices have made it hard? bzr?
[00:48] <jaavaaguru> Initially, there was the "we know svn now, and we don't want to change" problem, but now I have a few colleagues using bzr, and they're amazed at how simple merging is compared to svn, and that we can have our own personal branches with no extra effort. That's a big thing for us, as we're developing a project from scratch.
[00:49] <keir> jaavaaguru, glad to hear that. but you mentioned 'some of those choices may be making things difficult for ourselves'; which choices were those?
[00:49] <jaavaaguru> Now that all of my team is using it (I'm not the project manager, but he's also using bzr now), the PM is looking for integration with things like KDiff3
[00:49] <jaavaaguru> ah...
[00:50] <jaavaaguru> I was meaning the CruiseControl.NET and ASP.NET things
[00:51] <jaavaaguru> I suggested bzr about a month ago, and once I got some adoption amongst out team, we discovered that our chosen continuous integration tool (CCNet) didnt support it
[00:51] <jaavaaguru> I got round that by writing a plugin
[00:53] <keir> jaavaaguru, was that hard?
[00:54] <keir> jaavaaguru, that quote you had was nice; would you mind if you rephrased it as a quote on bzr / why it's good / etc? to go on bazaar-vcs.org/Testimonials (currently empty)
[00:55] <jaavaaguru> sure
[00:55] <jaavaaguru> I'll make an iCal note to do that in the morning and jump back on here to confirm
[00:55] <keir> jaavaaguru, great! i may not be here but feel free to post it yourself
[00:56] <jaavaaguru> thanks :)
[00:59] <jaavaaguru> As we're still in the early stages of adoption, do you think it might be better if I wait until next week where we have to finalize integrating out web app client with our business logic (BL is using bzr, and web app is using SVN at the moment)
[00:59] <jaavaaguru> we plan on deciding to go with one or the other
[00:59] <jaavaaguru> (not my choice, i'll be pushing for both parts staying with what they currently use)
[01:00] <jaavaaguru> I imagine we'll have a decision by Wednesday
[01:00] <keir> i believe in 'right tool for the job'... depends on your needs
[01:00] <jaavaaguru> regardless of what happens, all my personal projects at work will be using Bazaar, and I have a reasonable say in these things :-()
[01:01] <keir> neat!
[01:02] <jaavaaguru> I'm trying to stay away from the ASP.NET bit... I have worked on it, but it seems like doing MVC development in ASP.NET will be a battle against the system until MS release their MVC framework later this year
[01:02] <jaavaaguru> even then, it will be a beta, so I'm not holding out for it
[01:02]  * jaavaaguru is getting to love TurboGears
[01:04] <jaavaaguru> Anyway, I have that calendar note to review my quote/testimonial, and will do after discussing our way forward on Monday
[01:04] <keir> jaavaaguru, great. i also like TG. django is nice too.
[01:06] <jaavaaguru> I've recently put together a TG app that renders our internal API documentation (mixture of Docbook XML and MS's XML documentaiton format) as web pages
[01:07] <jaavaaguru> as soon as I can get agreement that the company has nothing to do with the non-standard docbook-esque format we use, I'll put that on Launchpad too
[01:07] <jaavaaguru> I know it's probably not that much use to Ubuntu people, but for people working in a mixture of Windows/Linux, it's handy
[01:30] <jaavaaguru> thanks keir and Peng, I'm heading to bed. I'll have a good look at this stuff tomorrow
[01:31] <Peng> Good night. :)
[01:33] <jaavaaguru> good night
[07:33] <robcruseme> http://apps.facebook.com/prezident
[08:25] <jdub> jelmer: which version of bzr-svn should i be using with bzr 0.91?
[08:25] <jdub> jelmer: i've just updated to the latest in the 0.4 branch, which requires 0.92
[08:26] <jdub> and rebase doesn't load
[08:26] <jdub> ah, it needs 0.92 too
[14:06] <jelmer> jdub: Yeah, they both need 0.92. I believe the bazaar-vcs.org has 0.92rc1 debs
[14:10] <lifeless> hi jelmer
[14:11] <jelmer> 'morning lifeless
[14:11] <lifeless> jerry seems to be having fun with packs
[14:12] <jelmer> ah, that's good to hear
[14:12] <jelmer> what about the workflow issues, multi-push/pull?
[14:13] <lifeless> don't know yet
[14:13] <lifeless> I did explain that we treated it like a cp -a/rsync of directories situation, and that you did not need a tree per branch
[14:45] <fredp> hello; I have a local bzr branch of a remote svn repository; I could merge upstream change for a long time but now as I get back to work on this project I get this error message:
[14:45] <fredp> $ bzr merge
[14:45] <fredp> Merging from remembered location<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:45] <fredp> bzr: ERROR: Repository KnitRepository('file:///home/fred/src/jhdebuild/.bzr/') is not compatible with repository<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:45] <fredp> does anybody know what is happening there, and how I could fix that ?
[14:46] <jam-laptop> fredp: newer versions of bzr-svn require you to use Knit3 repositories
[14:46] <jam-laptop> fredp: bzr upgrade --format=dirstate-with-subtree
[14:46] <jam-laptop> however, you may also need to create a new conversiosn
[14:46] <lifeless> there is a bzr svn-upgrade command
[14:46] <jam-laptop> since I'm guessing this is going from bzr-svn 0.3 to 0.4
[14:46] <lifeless> that jelmer wrote; I believe that that is the recommended way to convert
[14:47] <lifeless> jelmer: we really need to make this easier; especially if its going to happen in the future. What can I do to make it easier?
[14:47] <lifeless> brb
[14:47] <jelmer> lifeless: Make svn-upgrade easier or the rich-root stuff?
[14:54] <lifeless> jelmer: make the user experience more pleasant when they dist-upgrade
[14:54] <lifeless> jelmer: and suddenly have a new version of bzr-svn
[14:54] <lifeless> and no warning
[14:56] <jelmer> If we do a pull/merge and the remote host diverges, we could check if the local branch contains revision generated with an older version of bzr-svn and warn
[14:56] <jelmer> another option would be to support multiple versions of the mappings in one instance of bzr-svn
[14:57] <lifeless> well right now it's hurting folok  we really want to impress - users of svn in gnome
[14:57] <lifeless> if I was at home I'd start hacking on making it better
[15:01] <fredp> $ bzr merge
[15:01] <fredp> Merging from remembered location<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:01] <fredp> bzr: ERROR: Branches have no common ancestor, and no merge base revision was specified.
[15:01] <fredp> but I only did bzr upgrade; I will do bzr svn-upgrade.
[15:02] <jelmer> lifeless: 0.4 was released ages ago (august 4), why is it such a problem all of a sudden?
[15:02] <fredp> bzr svn-upgrade
[15:02] <fredp> Using saved location<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:02] <fredp> bzr: ERROR: Unable to import bzr-rebase (required for svn-upgrade support): No module named rebase.rebase
[15:02] <jelmer> fredp: You need to have the bzr-rebase package installed
[15:02] <fredp> jelmer: I came with this; because I went back on an older project; dating back before 0.4, I guess.
[15:03] <jelmer> ah, ok
[15:05] <jelmer> fredp: bzr-rebase is part of the distribution if you're running Debian sid, otherwise you should be able to install the plugin from http://people.samba.org/bzr/jelmer/bzr-rebase/trunk
[15:05] <fredp> jelmer: fails with an exception; http://pastebin.ca/759795
[15:07] <jelmer> fredp: that looks like bzr-rebase 0.1, it should be 0.2 :-/
[15:08] <fredp> jelmer: yes, looks debian only has 0.1; I'll get 0.2
[15:08] <jelmer> fredp: sid has 0.2
[15:08] <jelmer> http://packages.debian.org/sid/bzr-rebase
[15:09] <fredp> oh, mirror not uptodate, I'll use another one, damned.
[15:09] <jelmer> but that also relies on bzr >= 0.92rc1
[15:14] <fredp> jelmer: it ran fine without error; but now bzr diff lists all files, as removed then added
[15:14] <fredp> will I lose history if I commit ?
[15:16] <jelmer> oh, darn - it doesn't fix file ids in the working tree yet
[15:16] <jelmer> fredp: I'd suggest creating a copy of the branch you've just upgraded
[15:16] <fredp> I nevertheless commited and tried to bzr merge and got this AssertionError
[15:16] <fredp> http://pastebin.ca/759808
[15:17] <jelmer> or removing the working tree in the branch you've upgraded and then creating it again
[15:17] <jelmer> (bzr remove-tree; bzr checkout)
[15:17] <jelmer> perhaps we should mark svn-upgrade as experimental for now
[15:18] <lifeless> jelmer: gutsy release
[15:19] <jelmer> lifeless: ahh, ok
[15:19] <jelmer> lifeless: gutsy has bzr-svn 0.4.1!?
[15:19] <lifeless> yes
[15:19] <fredp> jelmer: branching off then bzr merge, and it worked.
[15:19] <lifeless> apt-cache madison bzr-svn
[15:19] <lifeless>    bzr-svn |    0.4.1-1 | http://au.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Packages
[15:19] <lifeless>    bzr-svn |    0.4.1-1 | http://au.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Sources
[15:20] <lifeless> the software escaped
[15:20] <fredp> thanks for your support; I can get to resolving the few conflicts.
[15:20] <jelmer> fredp: no worries, sorry this process is a bit less smooth than it could be :-/
[15:21] <lifeless> jelmer: more info
[15:21] <lifeless> 00:06 < jdub> i pulled in bzr from hardon, but his latest rebase/svn require 0.92
[15:21] <lifeless> 00:06 < jdub> so it just got beyond a joke
[15:22] <jelmer> lifeless: they require 0.92 or 0.92rc1, the latter of which is packaged
[15:22] <jelmer> and they're all three packaged in debian
[15:22] <lifeless> yes, but gutsy is out, so we're going to have a little bit of a problem getting fixes to users
[15:23] <lifeless> I'll had rebase to the bazaar-vcs.org packages asap
[15:23] <jelmer> I'm surprised though that gutsy has 0.4.1 - 0.4.2 was released and packaged for debian on 9 sept, was that already before the UVF?
[15:24] <lifeless> 9 sept was after UVF I think
[15:28] <lifeless> ok, bztools -> bazar-vcs.org repo
[15:29] <jelmer> lifeless: bzr-svn doesn't appear to be on bazaar-vcs.org either
[15:29] <lifeless> its not
[15:29] <lifeless> I need to get a svn build for the indings foo for dapper; hmm
[15:29] <lifeless> perhaps ignore dapper for a bit
[15:31] <jelmer> Having bzr-svn up would improve the user experience a lot methinks
[15:31] <jelmer> 71 bugs have been fixed since 0.4.1
[15:32] <lifeless> ok
[15:32] <lifeless> I have to do some shopping now; will look into it later
[15:32] <jelmer> k
[15:42] <lifeless> jam-laptop: a review of my reconcile stuff would be nice
[15:42] <lifeless> jam-laptop: if you have time :)
[15:42] <lifeless> ciao for now
[17:56] <siretart> dato: no, not at all. Thanks for the upload!
[18:50] <simony> are there packages for dvc for ubuntu?
[18:54] <dato> simony: dvc?
[18:57] <simony> the emacs bzr frontend
[18:57] <dato> ah. I don't know, sorry.
[19:06] <simony> don't you have some bzr integration in your editor of choice? :)
[19:13] <radix> http://pics.livejournal.com/deeptape/pic/000dp4t6/
[19:15] <mwhudson> radix: awesome
[20:04] <vila> simony: no package as dvc is currently evolving at  a fast peace, but it is hosted in a bzr branch: http://bzr.xsteve.at/dvc/
[20:06] <jaavaaguru> Peng, as I was talking about last night, I started writing a wxPython Bazaar client today.
[20:06] <jaavaaguru> http://sorn.net/~sandyd/blog/bzr-wx-2005.png
[20:06] <jaavaaguru> It's got init and commit support. moving onto merge support now
[20:23] <Peng> jaavaaguru: Cool.
[20:24] <Peng> jaavaaguru: I have to admit that I probably wouldn't use it (unless it was much better at something than the command line), though.
[20:24] <jaavaaguru> same here
[20:24] <Peng> Okay.
[20:24] <jaavaaguru> I'm creating it to make life easier for the Windows users who are used to things like Rapid SVN
[20:25] <Peng> Hmm.
[20:25] <jaavaaguru> I have also had some interest from OS X users
[20:25] <Peng> Maybe I should check out VCS GUIs. GUIs really are better for some things than CLIs.
[20:26] <jaavaaguru> I like diffing and merging in the GUI, it's usually faster
[20:26] <Peng> Hm.
[20:27] <Peng> Well, anyway, I'm AFK. Bye.
[20:27] <jaavaaguru> bye
[20:30] <jelmer> jaavaaguru: Have you tried qbzr at all?
[20:31] <jaavaaguru> I did try, and didn't get far on XP at work. I don't have a PC here to try it on at the moment. I should probably get the error message and try and figure out what went wrong
[21:18] <lifeless> jam-laptop: also there is a gtk gui as well FWIW
[21:41] <lifeless> jelmer - you could review teh patch too :)
[21:44] <jelmer> lifeless: which patch was that, the reconcile one?
[21:44] <lifeless> yes
[21:46] <jelmer> voila
[21:59] <somerville32> Hi
[22:03] <lifeless> hi
[22:06] <somerville32> Would it be possible to have it setup so that I have one main branch but then several other branches which are just parts of the pie of the first one?
[22:06] <somerville32> I'd like to have branches that represent modules in my project and than one big one that puts them all together.
[22:36] <lifeless> somerville32: the nested tree functionality can do that; its a bit raw right now though. which reminds me... LarstiQ: ping


[12:09] <Nafallo> and now I forgot what it was that I was about to say.
[12:10] <Nafallo> does coffeinepills do this to me?
[12:19] <tseng> ogra: gtk-sharp is in dep-wait since i broke mono the other day
[12:20] <ogra> ah, darn
[12:20] <tseng> ogra: it had the arch-ind. bits that couldnt install the arch bits, see
[12:20] <tseng> they want to match
[12:20] <ogra> jep
[12:20] <tseng> do you want to review my gst-plugins-multiverse?
[12:21] <ogra> url ?
[12:21] <tseng> need to upload
[12:22] <Nafallo> ogra: can you reproduce the bug that when you change tab in xchat gnome's tabs change sizes?
[12:22] <tseng> actualy it still needs some more work maybe :/
[12:22] <tseng> it works, but its not very clean looking
[12:22] <tseng> ill get you tommorow
[12:22] <ogra> ok
[12:22] <ogra> Nafallo, i dont use xchat-gnome here...
[12:22] <ogra> just the normal one
[12:23] <Nafallo> ogra: ehm, the one installed by ubuntu-desktop?
[12:23] <ogra> yep
[12:24] <Nafallo> that's the one I'm using...
[12:24] <Nafallo> X-Chat 2.4.1
[12:24] <ogra> yep
[12:24] <ivoks> 'night
[12:24] <ogra> night ivoks
[12:24] <ivoks> or bye... whatever u preffere :)
[12:24] <Nafallo> ogra: so... can you reproduce? :-)
[12:24] <ogra> Nafallo, but my tabs are fine
[12:24] <Nafallo> ivoks: bye :-)
[12:24] <Nafallo> hmm, odd
[12:25] <Nafallo> hmm, I should upload screenshots ;-)
[12:27] <Nafallo> ogra: http://www.magicalforest.se/~nafallo/tmp
[12:30] <Nafallo> the freenode one compared to the others should show what I mean :-P
[12:32] <ogra> hmm, i see no difference...
[12:32] <Nafallo> ogra: no? motu and devel compared to freenode?
[12:32] <Nafallo> motu and devel differs to, not tu much though...
[12:33] <Nafallo> s/tu/to/
[12:33] <ogra> sure, they are as big as needed, but there is no difference in size between these shots...
[12:33] <Nafallo> ogra: on the gnome windowlist...
[12:33] <ogra> ahh
[12:34] <Nafallo> ogra: those tabs change sizes when I switch channel in xchat :-P
[12:34] <ogra> i thought you mean the chat window
[12:34] <ogra> this is caused by the different size of the channel names
[12:34] <ogra> its no bug
[12:35] <Nafallo> ogra: no? so the gnome windowlist should do that? :-P
[12:35] <ogra> yep
[12:35] <Nafallo> it's bloody irritating ;-)
[12:35] <ogra> look at the tooltip
[12:35] <Nafallo> aha
[12:40] <Nafallo> does that happen on i386?
[12:55] <Nafallo> anyway... time for some sleep :-)
[12:55] <Nafallo> see ya
[01:34] <ajmitch_> morning
[01:55] <HostingGeek> LOL
[01:56] <HostingGeek> look at microsoft.com's whois
[02:51] <tritium> crimsun, I bought my wife an iMac G5
[02:52] <crimsun> tritium: how's Tiger?
[02:52] <tritium> crimsun, it's still on order
[02:52] <crimsun> ah, ok
[02:53] <tritium> I'll probably get myself a dual G5 desktop when they come out with the dual-core 970MPs
[02:54] <crimsun> nice
[02:54] <tritium> :)
[03:34] <thully> hi - has anyone looked into fixing netapplet from Hoary's universe?  current versions have many less bugs...
[03:34] <crimsun> as soon as it's more clear what hoary-updates is for (and whether bug fixes can be sent there), there will be a more definitive answer
[03:35] <tseng> hi crimsun
[03:35] <crimsun> ev'ning tseng
[03:35] <tritium> hi tseng
[03:35] <tseng> thully: hey dude, are you at all interested in reading up on package-fu and contributing?
[03:36] <thully> It would be need if updates which required a new upstream version (as in - bug fix updates) could be uploaded to -updates...
[03:37] <thully> Not major upstream version updates, but 0.99 to 1.00 or 2.12 to 2.13 type updates
[03:38] <tseng> id rather get the fix as a diff
[03:38] <tseng> and only for serious bugs
[03:38] <tseng> frozen distros are good, believe it or not
[03:39] <thully> I mean mostly universe stuff - having netapplet stuck at 0.99 and crashing every time a user logs out doesn't seem like a Good Thing to me
[03:41] <tseng> well if you want to volunteer to solve crashers in hoary universe into hoary-updates
[03:41] <tseng> that would be awesome
[03:41] <tseng> if you are just going to come in here and keep telling us what we should be doing with our seriously limited man power, ill keep being an ass
[03:41] <tseng> :D
[03:42] <tseng> ogra: mono stuff working well on amd now?
[03:44] <tritium> tseng: partly my fault for asking him if he'd notified anyone here about the problem he's experiencing
[03:45] <tseng> tritium: not your fault, he has alot of good ideas of things to do, but seemingly the expectation that someone else will do it.
[03:45] <thully> sorry - I'm just still at a point where I want to be a user, and suggest changes and point out bugs, but I'm not ready to actually submit patches and maintain packages
[03:46] <tseng> i am working on gst-plugins btw
[03:46] <tseng> i came into some aac files myself and its bugging me
[03:47] <tritium> thully: you seem capable, in my opinion.  I'll be you could sit down with the New Maintainer's Guide, and learn how to package
[03:48] <tseng> the NMG is pretty crackful
[03:48] <tseng> im planning something more bitesized
[03:48] <tritium> That would be outstanding, tseng
[03:48] <thully> there are several reasons for this - first of all, I had a severe time crunch a few months ago when I barely had enough time to report bugs, let alone contribute patches...
[03:49] <thully> secondly, I don't have a stable, reliable internet connection all the time
[03:49] <tritium> thully: we're all experiencing similar time crunches.  I, for example, and preparing to defend my PhD thesis in 10 weeks.
[03:52] <crimsun> tseng: speaking of gst and aacs, I was investigating a method of using wavenc to dump to stdout so I could listen to my aacs remotely (ices2+icecast2), but I decided on using faad -w -f 2 (dumps to stdout)
[03:53] <tseng> hm
[03:53] <tseng> well there is a gst plugin i just packaged
[03:53] <crimsun> the gstreamer0.8-faad?
[03:53] <tseng> yes
[03:53] <tseng> the source will be gst-plugins-multiverse0.8
[03:53] <thully> yikes - I can't imagine doing something like that and maintaining packages at the same time
[03:54] <tseng> with gstreamer0.8-faad and gstreamer0.8-faac so far
[03:54] <tseng> thully: like what?
[03:54] <tseng> oh phd
[03:54] <crimsun> ah, I'm using the one from debian-marilliat. gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse sounds intriguing.
[03:54] <tseng> oh from marillat?
[03:54] <tseng> eh its probably crack anyway
[03:54] <tseng> i want to do it cleanly
[03:55] <crimsun> yeah, but I'm not on amd64, so I don't know if there's one available for amd64
[03:55] <tritium> thully: I'm not really maintaining any right now, to be honest
[03:55] <tseng> gst-plugins0.8 has a simple method for building extra plugin binaries
[03:55] <tseng> but i want to do it properly in multiverse
[04:01] <thully> well - sorry about this - I just feel that I'm not ready to take on packages at this time - although I like editing wikis and sending suggestions
[04:02] <crimsun> sure, any contribution is appreciated
[04:04] <thully> I guess I wasn't quite ready to "do-it-yourself" when it comes to packaging - I'm used to commercial-style betas where you test and report the bugs and others fix them
[04:04] <tseng> yeah dude universe is not the place for all that
[04:05] <tseng> i uploaded 12 packages this week it looks like, i get tired of it you know
[04:05] <tseng> only a few guys here working hard, a few machines
[04:06] <thully> OK - I guess I shouldn
[04:06] <tseng> and he-man dholbach
[04:06] <tritium> tseng: sorry...
[04:06] <tseng> tritium: for?
[04:07] <tritium> tseng: not being one of the few guys working hard right now.  I can't really afford to for a while
[04:07] <tseng> thats fine
[04:07] <tseng> we have 4 months now to do our thing
[04:07] <Burgundavia> tseng, I have also been beating my head against a wall about a few issues with packaging. I would love to assist in the cleanup of this doc and maintenance, etc.
[04:11] <tritium> crimsun, is the semester over for you now?
[04:11] <crimsun> tritium: yes, finally. Graduation was this morning at 8:30 AM.
[04:11] <tritium> crimsun, nice :)
[04:13] <tseng> Burgundavia: rock on
[04:14] <Burgundavia> tseng, when you have something you can work with, give it over to the doc guys and we will integrate into our svn stuff.
[04:14] <tseng> Burgundavia: already met the doc guys
[04:14] <tseng> and girl
[04:14] <tseng> jerome and mary were at my BOF
[04:15] <tseng> we'll be starting on the wiki and will decided from there about docbook or whatnot
[04:15] <tseng> cool?
[04:15] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[04:15] <Burgundavia> I just prodded about getting our portal up soon
[04:21] <tseng> portal eh
[04:21] <Burgundavia> web <--> svn/docbook
[10:54] <herve> hi
[11:10] <ogra> tseng, blam crashes after some time (havent debugged yet), muine (with handcompiled gkt-sharp2-unstable) and tomboy work fine, beagle crashes too (i blame my package until yours is available) and f-spot doesnt compile
[11:12] <herve> it crashes and say *blam* ?
[11:12] <herve> :-)
[11:12] <ogra> heh
[11:12] <ogra> unfortunately it crashes very silent :)
[11:13] <ogra> me edits /usr/bin/blam
[11:14] <ogra> hmm, --debug doest give more info....
[11:14] <ogra> doesnt even
[11:15] <ogra> ah, -v
[11:15] <tfheen> morning, ogra.
[11:16] <ogra> morning
[12:53] <Nafallo> morning all
[01:05] <ivoks> hi
[01:06] <ivoks> bzflag
[01:07] <Nafallo> hehe
[01:07] <ivoks> wrong term :)
[01:08] <ivoks> wesnoth is turn-based too
[01:08] <ivoks> man... again :)
[01:13] <Nafallo> hehe
[03:18] <tseng> ogra: f-spot from cvs compiles and runs nicely here.
[03:18] <tseng> ogra: ill try to push a release
[03:22] <ogra> yeah
[03:22] <ogra> tried to compile mondevelop today, but there is a lot breakage in the source (current package) it seems....
[03:26] <ogra> oh, and beagle 0.0.9 wants libebook-1.2.so.0, which doesnt exist.... (we have libebook-1.2.so.3)
[03:26] <tseng> oh it does?
[03:26] <ogra> yep
[03:27] <tseng> I probably have a symlink from the -dev package or something
[03:27] <tseng> libebook-1.2.so        libebook-1.2.so.3      libebook-1.2.so.3.1.1
[03:27] <ogra> i did that too.... one crasher less :) but t still breaks
[03:27] <tseng> we can remap it
[03:28] <ogra> it explicitly looks for libebook-1.2.so.0
[03:28] <tseng> thats fine
[03:28] <tseng> look at /etc/mono/config
[03:29] <tseng> you can take whatever it tries to DllMap in the code in the first part
[03:29] <ogra> ah, great
[03:29] <tseng> and remap it to the actual file under /usr/lib in the target
[03:29] <tseng> we can do that per binary
[03:29] <tseng> so it would be BeagleDaemon.exe.config with the same format
[03:29] <tseng> in /usr/lib/beagle or wherever the .exe is
[03:29] <tseng> worth a shot
[03:30] <ogra> yeah, sounds good
[03:31] <tseng> we do that as a stop gap and get upstream to fix it at the autotools stage
[03:31] <tseng> it was a major problem with f-spot awhile back
[03:33] <tseng> which reminds me, i need to push lewing to make a release for us :)
[03:38] <ogra> heh
[03:39] <tseng> so, are you enjoying muine?
[03:39] <ogra> yep, absolutely...
[03:39] <tseng> :)
[03:39] <ogra> tomboy as well
[03:39] <ogra> only blam is nasty to me
[03:39] <tseng> :(
[03:40] <tseng> i wonder why that is
[03:40] <ogra> might be gtk...
[03:40] <tseng> or gecko
[03:40] <ogra> GLib-ERROR **: gmem.c:141: failed to allocate<PHONE_NUMBER> bytes
[03:40] <ogra> aborting...
[03:40] <ogra> Xlib: unexpected async reply (sequence 0x436)!
[03:41] <tseng> mm glib
[03:41] <tseng> oh i need a gecko2 release also
[03:41] <ogra> but that might be caused by my selfcompiled stuff here... lets wait until lamont triggered gtk-sharp....
[03:42] <tseng> I thought you triggered it yesterday?
[03:42] <tseng> with another upload
[03:43] <ogra> if there is an older version blocking in dep-wait, the new one doesnt get build until somone triggered tha old one manually...
[03:43] <tseng> oh thats right
[03:43] <ogra> so we have two versions in dep-wait now :-/
[03:43] <tseng> heh
[03:43] <ogra> (i wss to fast)
[03:44] <tseng> the mono team rocks, we have good relationship with all the upstreams
[03:44] <tseng> and debian
[03:44] <ogra> great
[03:46] <tseng> ogra: i found your old job!
[03:46] <tseng> ogra: http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2005050209268.jpg
[03:48] <tseng> btw im really getting excited about hct
[03:48] <tseng> merging by hand is getting old
[03:48] <thom> yup yup
[03:49] <ogra> heh
[03:49] <tseng> especially from svn.debian.org
[03:51] <HiddenWolf> Does anyone here use rhythmbox?
[03:51] <tseng> rarely
[03:51] <HiddenWolf> sorry for asking here, but mine is behaving weirdly, and I'd like to figure out if it's a bug.
[03:51] <HiddenWolf> #ubuntu doesn't seem interested in helping me.
[03:52] <HiddenWolf> and -devel is dead. :P
[03:52] <ogra> its weekend
[03:52] <HiddenWolf> You're kiddin' me ;)
[03:52] <ogra> just a bit
[03:53] <tseng> oh yeah my -multiverse package to finish
[03:54] <HiddenWolf> I'm just loading bugzilla with rhythmbox bugs, for the heck of it. :P *grins*
[04:19] <tseng> ogra: http://tseng2.ath.cx/~brandon/gst-plugins/
[04:21] <tseng> there is a little bit left from gst-plugins0.8
[04:21] <tseng> that doesnt affect the final result in our case, i left it in rules for now
[04:22] <tseng> that should let you use aac in rhythmbox, muine needs more work
[04:22] <tseng> because it doesnt use gst for reading the tags (yet)
[04:24] <ogra> i'll look at it
[04:24] <ivoks> hi
[04:25] <tseng> oh jeez i forgot lame
[04:25] <tseng> we can add that here
[04:27] <Amaranth> what's the page to request things for universe?
[04:27] <tseng> UniverseCandidates
[04:27] <Amaranth> thanks
[04:28] <Amaranth> figure i'll see if someone else knows how and can do it for me :)
[04:28] <tseng> is that mono iirc?
[04:28] <Amaranth> yeah
[04:29] <tseng> autotools?
[04:29] <Amaranth> oh, UniverseCandidates is for things that were already packaged
[04:29] <Amaranth> i know i got an autoconf error about PKG_INFO
[04:30] <Amaranth> and iirc gst-sharp in CVS was hosed
[04:30] <tseng> oh thats right
[04:30] <tseng> I'm going to have to defer you on that then
[04:31] <tseng> I have no interest in distributing gst-sharp from CVS at present
[04:31] <tseng> do ping me if they make a sane release
[04:31] <Amaranth> well, wouldn't that be like gtk-sharp-unstable?
[04:31] <tseng> not at all
[04:31] <tseng> gtk-sharp-unstable at least has releases
[04:32] <tseng> and people can target compat with each release
[04:32] <tseng> which are a few weeks/months apart
[04:32] <tseng> vs hoping your cvs checkout for the day works
[04:32] <tseng> we could probably fetch a working combo for this one app
[04:33] <tseng> its just dirty, i want a tarball with a version string
[04:33] <Amaranth> hmm
[04:33] <Amaranth> i thought muine used gstreamer
[04:33] <tseng> it does
[04:33] <tseng> it has its own bindings
[04:34] <Amaranth> ...
[04:34] <tseng> via libmuine
[04:34] <tseng> muine has been around alot longer than gst-sharp
[04:35] <Amaranth> really weird thing about gst-sharp was i pulled from the same day someone claims to have built sonance on hoary and got the same errors
[04:36] <tseng> how is that weird?
[04:36] <Amaranth> well, it worked for them
[04:36] <tseng> oh, thats not what you said
[04:36] <Amaranth> yeah, that sentence sucked
[04:37] <Amaranth> macewan claims to have gotten gst-sharp and sonance to work on hoary so i pulled from the day he posted the blog entry and got the same errors as pulling from today
[04:46] <Amaranth> o_O I don't think gst-sharp is going to get released any time soon. It appears to be a dead project
[04:47] <tseng> eh.
[04:51] <Amaranth> or, you know, i'm use cvs and they've moved everything to svn
[04:52] <tseng> good one
[04:52] <tseng> hm so tamara is working on it
[04:52] <tseng> i wonder where her muine branch is
[04:54] <tseng> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryBeagleInstallHowto
[04:54] <tseng> oh jeez
[04:55] <tseng> this is horrible
[04:55] <Amaranth> kill it with the flaming sword of pissed off ;)
[04:55] <tseng> i should
[04:56] <tseng> they are still telling you to use external repos for stuff thats in hoary since months
[04:56] <tseng> and it was edited 30 minutes ago
[04:58] <Amaranth> what's the name of the package for GTK# 1.99.x?
[04:59] <Amaranth> nevermind
[04:59] <tseng> lib*2.0-cil
[05:02] <Amaranth> appearently pkg-config says i don't have gtk#
[05:03] <herve> see you later
[05:42] <tseng> do any of you motu guys jabber?
[05:44] <tseng> oh man sonance has some awful stuff
[05:44] <tseng> http://sonance.aaronbock.net/screenshots/0.4-teaser/sqlbuilder.png
[05:45] <tseng> DBA ME HARDER
[05:46] <thom> tseng: holy hells
[05:46] <thom> (i'm<EMAIL_ADDRESS>on jabber)
[05:47] <tseng> rock on.
[05:47] <Amaranth> tseng: I think it stores the library data in an sqlite db
[05:47] <thom> not sure i count as motu, but :-)
[05:48] <tseng> Amaranth: thats cool, it just is soo heavy compared to muine or even rb
[05:48] <Amaranth> well, you don't have to use that :P
[05:48] <tseng> but it looks better than a previous screenshot
[05:48] <tseng> http://sonance.aaronbock.net/screenshots/0.4-teaser/sonance-0.4-teaser.png
[05:48] <tseng> less buttons than the 0.2 shots
[05:49] <tseng> but why do I need a) 2 progress showing widgets on the Status window
[05:49] <tseng> and a Hide button for one of them
[05:49] <Amaranth> ?
[05:49] <Amaranth> oh, the throbber
[05:49] <tseng> ok there is a spinner
[05:49] <tseng> and a progress bar
[05:49] <Amaranth> whatever you guys call it
[05:49] <Amaranth> hmm, that is odd
[05:49] <tseng> both showing the same thing, essentially
[05:49] <tseng> "im working"
[05:50] <tseng> you can hide one
[05:50] <tseng> eh.
[05:50] <Amaranth> no, i think the hide button is to hide the status window
[05:50] <tseng> oh, i dont like that either
[05:50] <Amaranth> why?
[05:50] <tseng> i dont see a way to get it back
[05:51] <Amaranth> it lets you start working with music while it's working
[05:51] <Amaranth> you don't know what happens when you hit hide
[05:51] <tseng> anyway if it keeps getting less buttons instead of more, it might be pretty cool
[05:52] <thom> i guess sonance is an equivalent to rb?
[05:52] <tseng> it looks like he is trying to get even closer to itunes or something
[05:52] <tseng> but similar to rb
[05:52] <Amaranth> this is creeping me out
[05:53] <Amaranth> i started muine and rhythmbox and muine started playing the same song, one 2 seconds behind the other
[05:53] <tseng> heh
[05:53] <tseng> btw if you manage to get this thing building, i can help you with packaging
[05:53] <Amaranth> gst-sharp refuses to like me
[05:54] <tseng> for the wiki or something
[05:54] <Amaranth> wtf, muine doesn't have a menu entry or a notification icon anymore :/
[05:54] <tseng> it has a menu entry
[05:54] <tseng> the notification icon was moved to a plugin
[05:54] <Amaranth> ack
[05:55] <Amaranth> and that plugin doesn't exist yet?
[05:55] <tseng> sure it does
[05:55] <tseng> http://muine.gooeylinux.org/plugins.shtml
[05:55] <tseng> its in the source also
[05:55] <tseng> under plugins/
[05:55] <Amaranth> i meant in ubuntu
[05:55] <tseng> im thinking about installing it by default
[05:55] <ivoks> it has
[05:56] <tseng> it has what?
[05:56] <ivoks> menu entry
[05:56] <tseng> i know :)
[05:56] <Amaranth> yeah, i got it after i killed gnome-panel
[05:56] <ivoks> Amaranth ;)
[05:56] <Amaranth> now to get my notification icon back so muine isn't totally worthless :/
[05:56] <ivoks> well, muine isn't much of a player
[05:57] <ivoks> quodlibet is best out there
[05:57] <tseng> QUODLIBET Online Journal of Christian Theology and Philosophy
[05:57] <tseng> QUODLIBET Online Journal of Christian Theology and Philosophy: Main Page.
[05:57] <tseng> sweet
[05:57] <ivoks> :)
[05:58] <ivoks> sacredchao.net/quodlibet
[05:58] <Amaranth> ooh, it's written in python
[05:58] <tseng> found it
[05:58] <ivoks> there is a package in breezy i think
[05:58] <Amaranth> and it does tag editting!
[05:58] <ivoks> and much more
[05:58] <ivoks> it renames filenames by tags
[05:58] <ivoks> or tags by filenames
[05:58] <tseng> yeah this is too UI'd for me also
[05:58] <Amaranth> UI needs serious work though
[05:58] <ivoks> it can do mass tag change
[05:59] <tseng> on the subject of bad uis, nothing beats easytag
[06:00] <ivoks> man... reboot :(
[06:02] <Amaranth> tseng: Got something better?
[06:02] <tseng> easytag?
[06:02] <Amaranth> better than easytag i meant
[06:02] <tseng> i love it.
[06:02] <Amaranth> i thought you were saying it sucked
[06:02] <tseng> it does :D
[06:03] <Amaranth> heh
[06:03] <tseng> the ui makes me bleed myself
[06:03] <Amaranth> btw, what's the configure option to enable the plugins?
[06:03] <Amaranth> for muine
[06:03] <tseng> you put them in ~/.gnome2/muine/plugins
[06:03] <tseng> and restart
[06:03] <Amaranth> ok
[06:03] <Amaranth> so run make then copy them there?
[06:03] <tseng> yes
[06:03] <Amaranth> cool
[06:04] <tseng> jeez its noon, i need a shower
[06:04] <tseng> and lunch
[06:04] <Amaranth> Damn, the mcs command for muine is 2 screens long
[06:04] <tseng> weekends :)
[06:10] <thom> does mono/.NET have an imap4 implementation? offlineimap just blew up for the last time
[06:20] <tseng> hm dunno
[06:21] <tseng> been using imap4r1 in evo, i think with offline
[06:21] <Lathiat> i use that
[06:21] <Lathiat> evo has a few issues i just deal with
[06:21] <Lathiat> like vfolders
[06:21] <Lathiat> i mark things read in vfolders and the new messsage count isnt updated
[06:21] <Lathiat> and sometimes it is, but then when i hit send/recv
[06:21] <Lathiat> they all go back to unread counts
[06:21] <Lathiat> even tho the messages are actaully marked read
[06:22] <tseng> oh man that bootchart for initng is nuts
[06:22] <tseng> jeez
[06:22] <tseng> 25 seconds to X
[06:23] <ivoks> nice :)
[06:23] <ivoks> did someone try that initng?
[06:23] <tseng> thats what I just said I believe
[06:24] <ivoks> sorry, wasn't here :)
[06:24] <tseng> < tseng> oh man that bootchart for initng is nuts
[06:25] <ivoks> i asked did someone try it?
[06:25] <ivoks> not has anyone visited homepage :)
[06:26] <tseng> buh ill spell it out
[06:26] <tseng> someone posted to ubuntu-devel with a bootchart comparing init to initng
[06:26] <tseng> he obviously tried it
[06:26] <ivoks> ah...
[06:26] <ivoks> i don't follow ubunut-devel
[06:26] <ivoks> and boot chart u have on project homepage
[06:27] <ivoks> http://jw.dyndns.org/initng/
[06:27] <tseng> http://illadvised.com/~jason/bootchart-hoary-default.png
[06:27] <tseng> http://illadvised.com/~jason/bootchart-hoary-initng.png
[06:28] <ivoks> nice
[06:28] <ivoks> ok, time for a deb :)
[06:30] <ogra> i have no hoary system around that boots this slow
[06:32] <Lathiat> 24 seconds? interesting.
[06:32] <Lathiat> is initng hard to get going properly?
[06:33] <tseng> it needs rewritten scripts
[06:34] <Lathiat> ah
[06:34] <Lathiat> so you rewrote all the init scripts for your boot process/
[06:35] <tseng> thom: is there a someone sane networkmanager i could be testing?
[06:37] <zul> heh solaris http://www.livejournal.com/users/tytso/25923.html
[06:40] <thom> tseng: not yet
[06:40] <tseng> k.
[06:41] <thom> tseng: daniels gets back to work on monday, so new utopia stack should be in soon, then i'll land NM 0.4 on breezy
[06:41] <tseng> thom: my hero
[06:41] <thom> (note the bootchart for initng is missing a tonne of stuff)
[06:43] <thom> (at a quick glance, anyway)
[07:12] <bur[n] er> is there a !seen bot?
[07:28] <tseng> no.
[07:28] <tseng> i have /lastlog
[07:29] <Nafallo> ./whowas? :-)
[07:49] <Lathiat> lastlog is king
[07:49] <Lathiat> i wish irssi had a feature to jump up to the last time a word was highlighted
[07:49] <Lathiat> so you can read context et al
[07:49] <thom> that would be pretty rad
[07:50] <thom> hrm, versioned symbols are way easier than i thought
[07:50] <Lathiat> atm i have to page up page up page up.. :)
[07:50] <tseng> oh totally
[07:50] <tseng> someone do that :)
[07:50] <Lathiat> reall sucks if your ssh session is lagged.
[07:50] <thom> (now if only the apr-util test suite didn't take three months to run, life would be good)
[07:51] <tfheen> thom: get a faster computer?
[07:52] <tritium> good afternoon
[07:53] <thom> tfheen: this is an amd64 3000+
[07:53] <thom> not exactly slow ;-)
[07:53] <Lathiat> guess its fairly top of the pentium-m line, i think my hard disk is what kills my performance
[07:53] <Lathiat> 5400rpm is the suck
[07:57] <tfheen> thom: are you running breezy on that box?
[07:58] <Nafallo> Lathiat: is there faster rpm for laptops? :-)
[07:58] <tfheen> Nafallo: you can get 7200 drives.
[07:59] <thom> tfheen: yes
[07:59] <Nafallo> tfheen: yay! that would probably make this one burn, it's hot enough already :-P.
[07:59] <Lathiat> i'd love an 80gb 7200rpm drive
[07:59] <tfheen> thom: do you have troubly with lsb-core being on utter crack and trying to overwrite /lib64?
[07:59] <Lathiat> and another 512 of ram
[08:00] <thom> tfheen: not that i've noticed
[08:00] <tfheen> hm,
[08:00] <ivoks> i have pm1.4 :(
[08:00] <thom> tfheen: but that'd be because i don't have it installed...
[08:00] <thom> (sorry, just checked)
[08:01] <tfheen> thom: can you try to install it and see whether it blows up?
[08:02] <thom> just installed fine
[08:03] <tfheen> hmm
[08:04] <tfheen> I guess asking you to purge base-files, then install lsb-core, then reinstall base-files is a bad idea. ;P
[08:05] <thom> i'll pass, thanks
[08:05] <thom> :P
[08:05] <Nafallo> tfheen: I'll set up a chroot ;-)
[08:06] <tfheen> Nafallo: if you could set up a hoary chroot, install lsb there and then check if it blows up on upgrading to breezy, that'd be nice.
[08:06] <Nafallo> tfheen: oki :-)
[08:06] <doko_> tfheen, Nafallo: I don't know, if I like my 7200 hard drive ... it's not that quiet.
[08:06] <tfheen> doko_: obviously not; faster drive => more noise.
[08:06] <Nafallo> doko: hehe, and the heat? ;-)
[08:07] <Lathiat> yeh more heat
[08:07] <doko> very cool
[08:07] <tfheen> which is why Simira now has a 2.5" drive in her box.
[08:07] <Nafallo> tfheen: sweet :-)
[08:07] <Lathiat> but my hard drive spot on my laptop (under my left parm) doesnt get very warm even when being used alot
[08:07] <Lathiat> so i dont think a 7.2krpm will burn my hand
[08:08] <Nafallo> well, I should get a new laptop instead of upgrade this one anyway ;-)
[08:20] <dholbach> hai
[08:21] <ivoks> hi
[08:21] <dholbach> Unfrgiven: hai!
[08:56] <bur[n] er> ivoks: wifi-radar wasn't working for me
[08:56] <ivoks> ?
[08:56] <ivoks> bur[n] er what is your wifi device?
[08:56] <bur[n] er> using a centrino (Compaq X1000, so I assume it should work... that's what the developer uses)
[08:57] <bur[n] er> ipw2100 driver
[08:57] <ivoks> bur[n] er eth2?
[08:57] <bur[n] er> possibly
[08:57] <bur[n] er> er... no
[08:57] <bur[n] er> eth1
[08:57] <ivoks> then edit /etc/wifi-radar.conf
[08:57] <bur[n] er> eth0 = lan eth1 = wireless
[08:57] <bur[n] er> aww
[08:57] <bur[n] er> i'll be back ;)
[08:57] <ivoks> :)
[08:59] <ivoks> drcode in many ways :)
[09:01] <bur[n] er> ok... so I still have some issues
[09:01] <bur[n] er> it has to be run as root?
[09:01] <ivoks> nope
[09:01] <bur[n] er> i get /etc/wifi-radar.conf write issues on trying to close
[09:02] <ivoks> sudo vim /etc/wifi-radar.conf
[09:02] <bur[n] er> Traceback (most recent call last):
[09:02] <bur[n] er>   File "/usr/sbin/wifi-radar", line 576, in delete_event
[09:02] <bur[n] er>     self.save_auto_profile_order()
[09:02] <bur[n] er>   File "/usr/sbin/wifi-radar", line 822, in save_auto_profile_order
[09:02] <bur[n] er>     confFile.write( open( CONF_FILE, 'w' ) )
[09:02] <ivoks> you can't edit file in etc as user
[09:02] <bur[n] er> IOError: [Errno 13]  Permission denied: '/etc/wifi-radar.conf'
[09:02] <bur[n] er> i know
[09:02] <bur[n] er> so maybe it's a wifi-radar issue and not a package issue
[09:03] <ivoks> that's fs issue
[09:03] <ivoks> not related to wifi-radar
[09:03] <bur[n] er> well... it should prolly save it to ~/.config/wifi-radar or something
[09:03] <ivoks> ?
[09:03] <ivoks> wifi-radar has to be run as root
[09:03] <bur[n] er> instead of using a system-wide config file... so users can run the app
[09:04] <ivoks> ?!
[09:04] <ivoks> users?
[09:04] <bur[n] er> yeah
[09:04] <ivoks> that app brings interface
[09:04] <ivoks> how could user use it?
[09:04] <ivoks> it uses dhclient and ifconfig
[09:04] <ivoks> users don't have permissons to use that
[09:04] <bur[n] er> oh right
[09:04] <ivoks> it's like /etc/network/interfaces
[09:04] <ivoks> only root sets them
[09:05] <bur[n] er> ivoks: shouldn't it also have a systray icon?
[09:05] <ivoks> i don't think so
[09:05] <ivoks> there is allready applet
[09:05] <bur[n] er> i always thought it did... maybe i'm mistaken
[09:05] <ivoks> no...
[09:06] <ivoks> wifi radar doesn't run in background
[09:06] <ivoks> it sets up connection and quits
[09:06] <bur[n] er> true
[09:06] <bur[n] er> i swear i saw the wifi-radar icon in the systray kinda like an apple
[09:06] <ivoks> for traffic monitor u have network monitor applet
[09:07] <ivoks> bur[n] er that's gnome's applet, not wifi-radar
[09:08] <ivoks> apt-get install gnome-netstatus-applet
[09:08] <bur[n] er> i have it
[09:08] <bur[n] er> i use it
[09:08] <bur[n] er> thought there was a more apple like applet for it
[09:08] <Amaranth> eek, tomboy doesn't have tintin anymore
[09:09] <ivoks> bur[n] er and... works?
[09:10] <bur[n] er> it works
[09:10] <bur[n] er> works well
[09:10] <bur[n] er> thanks!
[09:10] <ivoks> np
[09:10] <ivoks> hope it will get in breezy :)
[09:11] <ivoks> djm62 whatch out.. he will paste now :)
[09:11] <ivoks> damn... missed terminal :)
[09:42] <tseng> Amaranth: dude tintin blows (and is illegal)
[09:43] <Amaranth> tseng: The new icon is worse. I couldn't even tell what it was. Until I clicked on it I thought I'd lost tomboy.
[09:43] <tseng> how can it possibly be worse than tintin
[09:44] <tseng> tintin was heinous
[09:45] <Amaranth> it was a known icon and didn't look like someone shrank a desktop screenshot down to icon size
[09:46] <tseng> send me a diff with the properly sized icon added also
[09:46] <tseng> or its at the bottom of the list
[09:46] <tseng> at least we're legal
[09:47] <tseng> and can get the package in debian
[09:47] <Amaranth> heh, the icon makes much more sense when it's full size
[09:47] <Amaranth> at least now i know what it is
[09:47] <tseng> yes
[09:48] <tseng> jimmac made all sizes, i think we are only using 48
[09:48] <tseng> http://jimmac.musichall.cz/i.php?i=tomboy
[09:49] <tseng> if someone knows how to use the other sizes.. id be happy for a patch
[09:49] <tseng> ogra: did that .exe.config help your beagld problems at all?
[09:51] <Amaranth> tseng: /usr/share/icons/hicolor/24x24/apps/tomboy.png
[09:52] <tseng> oh its that easy?
[09:52] <Amaranth> not sure how it works in .NET but in PyGTK once you have that you can exploit the theme handling code
[09:52] <Amaranth> you tell it you want 24 and it uses that icon
[09:52] <tseng> ok ill put the icon there
[09:52] <tseng> and see
[09:53] <tseng> nope
[09:53] <Amaranth> hmm
[09:54] <tseng>                  static PreferencesDialog ()
[09:54] <tseng>                  {
[09:54] <tseng>  -                       tintin = new Gdk.Pixbuf (null, "tintin.png");
[09:54] <tseng>  +                       tomboy = new Gdk.Pixbuf (null, "tomboy.png");
[09:55] <tseng> the tray looks a bit different
[09:55] <tseng>  +                       tomboy = GuiUtils.GetMiniIcon ("tomboy.png");
[09:55] <tseng>  +                       tomboy_large = GuiUtils.GetIcon ("tomboy.png");
[09:55] <tseng> applet only has one ref to the icon
[09:56] <Amaranth> yeah, i don't know how the code under that works
[09:56] <Amaranth> theme = gtk.icon_theme_get_for_screen(window.get_screen()); theme.load_icon('tomboy', 24, ())
[09:56] <Amaranth> that's how i'd do it in pygtk
[09:57] <Amaranth> well, pb = theme.load_icon
[09:59] <tseng> yeah I dont know how to do it any better
[09:59] <tseng> it only references one image
[10:02] <Amaranth> heh, i can't get my code to show the 48x48 image
[10:03] <Amaranth> oh, i put the 48x48 one in the wrong place
[10:04] <tseng> tomboy.png is in /usr/share/pixmaps and not the icon theme btw
[10:04] <tseng> if i move it will it be smart enough to find it again?
[10:04] <Amaranth> ah, that's the problem then
[10:04] <Amaranth> well, i don't know how Gdk.Pixbuf works
[10:04] <Amaranth> does it work with the theme spec?
[10:04] <tseng> beats me
[10:04] <tseng> maybe andy can tell me
[10:05] <tseng> he's not on
[10:07] <Amaranth> http://rafb.net/paste/results/CQdcsr97.html and http://www.realistanew.com/tomboy.png
[10:07] <Amaranth> now we just have to figure out how to translate that to gtk# :)
[10:07] <tseng> ah rock on
[10:08] <Amaranth> that's /usr/share/icons/hicolor/24x24/apps/tomboy.png and /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/tomboy.png
[10:08] <tseng> I'll try lewing
[10:09] <tseng> im sure he knows a thing or two about loading images in gtk# :)
[10:10] <Amaranth> Gtk.IconTheme has not been implemented.
[10:10] <Amaranth> d'oh
[10:11] <tseng> there has to be something
[10:11] <Amaranth> p/invoke? :)
[10:11] <tseng> :'(
[10:12] <Amaranth> Gtk.IconTheme is the 'right' way to do it, too
[10:12] <Amaranth> I wonder if it's implemented in 1.9.x
[10:13] <Amaranth> Assembly: gtk-sharp <IP_ADDRESS> (in gtk-sharp.dll) <--does that mean no?
[10:17] <Amaranth> tseng: You could always just do /usr/share/pixmaps/tomboy.png and /usr/share/pixmaps/tomboy-24.png for now
[10:18] <tseng> my hint is
[10:18] <tseng> < alp> tseng: Settings.Default.IconSize.
[10:18] <tseng> so im guessing we get the value of that
[10:20] <tseng> < tberman> its Gnome.IconTheme.Lookup in gtk+ 2.4 and gtk# 1.9.3.x/1.0
[10:20] <tseng> < tberman> yeah
[10:20] <tseng> < tseng> so that will give me a string to the right image?
[10:20] <tseng> rock on
[10:48] <Amaranth> tseng: awesome!
[10:48] <Amaranth> I guess it got moved into gtk in 2.6