[00:19] <bluesabre> Unit193: which one?
[00:19] <Unit193> statusnotifier.
[00:20] <bluesabre> nope, I know absolutely nothing about that plugin
[00:21] <Unit193> Replacement for indicator-application, sounds like it's nicer tbh.
[00:21] <bluesabre> ooh
[00:23] <bluesabre> Unit193: does that also do systray, or just indicators?
[00:24] <Unit193> bluesabre: Application indicators, but it supports the full KDE spec, not just what the Ubuntu ones support.
[00:24] <bluesabre> awesome
[00:24] <bluesabre> Very interested to try this out then
[00:24] <Unit193> And if it works, get the upgrader to remove indicator-application.
[00:25] <bluesabre> indeed
[00:25] <bluesabre> anybody pick the packaging up for this one yet, or should I experiment with it?
[00:26] <Unit193> Oooooh, you're offering to do it? :D
[00:26] <Unit193> I haven't yet, mainly because descriptions are hard.
[00:26] <Unit193> (Yes, that's the reason...)
[00:26] <bluesabre> ha
[00:27] <bluesabre> Maybe I'll jot some descriptions down then
[00:27] <Unit193> I had knome fix gtk-theme-config, I was going to hunt for the goodies wiki to get one for statusnotifier.  I'm fully willing to go over the packaging and nitpick if you want. :P
[00:28] <bluesabre> Anything is fine for me
[00:28] <bluesabre> Usually crunched for time, so might be the weekend until I have the package together
[00:33] <bluesabre> will try to get something together tonight/tomorrow morning at least
[10:02] <bluesabre> Unit193: surprisingly, the first package I threw together just worked, so now trying to tidy it up
[10:05] <Unit193> Surprisingly?
[10:05] <Unit193> Not sure if you saw me link, but I was made aware of https://github.com/rilian-la-te/xfce4-sntray-plugin too.
[10:18] <ninetls> xfce4-indicator-plugin is still useful but it's better to use it without indicator-application
[10:18] <bluesabre> cmake :o
[10:19] <ninetls> there is an option to compile xfce4-indicator-plugin without indicator-application support
[10:19] <bluesabre> Unit193: tossed it into https://launchpad.net/~bluesabre/+archive/ubuntu/experimental
[10:19] <ninetls> the problem is that ubuntu autostarts all indicator services including indicator-application-service
[10:20] <ninetls> I don't know ubuntu policies, but if you planning to include the plugin to xubuntu, it's better to get rid of indicator-application package
[10:21] <Unit193> ninetls: Right, which has -messages and -sound, the latter of which is nearly entirely replacable by -pulseaudio-plugin, and the former doesn't have all that much use.  And close, technically xfce4-indicator-plugin starts it via systemd.  And yes, as part of the upgrade process we can remove it.
[10:21] <Unit193> (Thanks for the input).
[10:21] <Unit193> bluesabre: I'll check it out "tomorrow"
[10:21] <bluesabre> :)
[10:26] <ninetls> actually I think my plugin can be modified to support all "watchers" (like indicator-application-service)
[10:26] <ninetls> in this case user will be able to add multiple plugin and they won't conflict with another services
[10:26] <ninetls> it's something like TODO for me
[10:27] <Unit193> bluesabre: ...So it seems today is tomorrow, nicely done.
[10:36] <Unit193> (But you know me, can't help but nitpick: http://paste.openstack.org/show/y1FMaKqBzZib8NLLD7XV/)
[10:44] <Unit193> ...What did I do?  This isn't dh_install. >_>
[10:49] <bluesabre> :D
[10:50] <bluesabre> thought about doing some of that, even had your latest parole package up, but just rolled with it
[10:50] <Unit193> And knew if you waited, I'd do it? :P
[10:51] <bluesabre> something like that
[10:52] <bluesabre> didn't want to break anything, don't really know what a lot of things do :D
[10:52] <bluesabre> my workflow is: 1) did anything break, 2) does lintian complain (much)
[10:52] <Unit193> So yes, ignore the auto_install change, merge anything else you want (dpkg-dev is newer than that version even in trusty.)
[10:57] <Unit193> Well, it breaks remmina's icon.
[10:59] <Unit193> But builds in experimental, so yey.
[11:11] <flocculant> Unit193: re -sound/-pulse I assume by nearly entirely you're ignoring the most useful things about -sound :p
[11:12] <Unit193> flocculant: mpris2 support, yes.  Which I don't use.  Still fits "nearly"
[11:13] <flocculant> no idea what that is - but if you mean listing media players, being able to interact with playslists - then yea that
[11:14] <Unit193> "yes that"
[11:15] <flocculant> :)
[11:16] <bluesabre> maybe I'll hack on that shortly
[11:16] <bluesabre> time for work, bbl
[11:17] <bluesabre> have fun flocculant, Unit193
[11:17] <flocculant> bluesabre: will do - just reporting a parole bug :p
[11:17] <Unit193> Ooooh, mpris in pa-plug?
[11:18] <Unit193> flocculant: While I don't use that feature really, I also haven't switched from -sound, because "it works" :P
[11:18] <flocculant> yea - not something I actively use either - and have the xfce one in panel anyway
[11:22] <flocculant> bluesabre: bug 1705243
[22:04] <Unit193> ninetls: Ctrl+rightclick in the statusnotifier plugin on, say, Skype still brings up the application's menu, not plugin menu.  Can confirm, remmina doesn't show an icon, everything else does.  The right click issue I can workaround by setting "Menu is primary action."
[22:07] <ninetls> Unit193: why ctrl+right click should show the plugin menu?
[22:08] <Unit193> Normal for Xfce panel plugins?  Works that way for Window buttons, systray, etc.  Thought that was expected.
[22:09] <ninetls> with ctrl?
[22:09] <ochosi> tbh i'd say the statusnotifier plugin should also show the plugin context menu in the right-click menu
[22:09] <ochosi> alternatively you can append it as a submenu to whatever the indicator shows
[22:09] <Unit193> ochosi: Left click Skype and it shows skype, right click and it shows the menu.
[22:09] <ochosi> but switching to ctrl+rightclick is hard to guess
[22:09] <ochosi> right, that sounds normal
[22:09] <Unit193> Ctrl+rightclick is pretty much the Xfce norm though?
[22:10] <ninetls> ctrl+right click is really a strange assumption
[22:10] <ninetls> I never known about plugins which work different when ctrl key is used
[22:10] <Unit193> Huh, all the rest of them show the plugin menu for that. :3
[22:11] <ninetls> they show even without ctrl
[22:11] <Unit193> Not systray or window buttons (minimized windows)
[22:11] <ninetls> why not alt+right click or shift+right click
[22:12] <ninetls> for me this work for window buttons without ctrl key
[22:12] <Unit193> Beats me, would have to ask one of the Xfce fellas.
[22:12] <ninetls> but for systray neither with ctrl or without work
[22:12] <Unit193> Without ctrl I get options to min/max/etc/etc.  With Ctrl I get panel settings.
[22:12] <ninetls> since systray items are external windows
[22:12] <ninetls> the setting "menu is primary action" is designed for that
[22:13] <ninetls> so users could always access plugin menu
[22:13] <ninetls> but most of users will prefer left click to show/hide app I think
[22:13] <ninetls> rather then displaying item's menu
[22:13] <ninetls> s/then/than/
[22:14] <Unit193> Eh, that doesn't work with all applications though, in fact that only works for one that I have.
[22:14] <ninetls> yes, this works only for kde indicators
[22:14] <ninetls> ubuntu indicators (appindicators) are less powerful
[22:14] <Unit193> Telegram sadly uses the latter.
[22:14] <ninetls> and doesn't support something besides menu
[22:15] <ninetls> telegram has a complex logic
[22:15] <ninetls> it checks your DE :D
[22:15] <ninetls> Unit193: XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP= telegram-desktop
[22:15] <ninetls> try to launch it so
[22:15] <Unit193> VLC supports it.
[22:16] <ochosi> Unit193: ctrl+rightclick is the norm for what in xfce?
[22:18] <Unit193> ochosi: Panel plugins to show the plugin menu, eg try on the 'Window buttons' plugin where it shows what opened windows you have.
[22:18] <Unit193> ninetls: I unset a few other vars to get that result.
[22:19] <ochosi> Unit193: haha, i didn't know about that :')
[22:19] <Unit193> ochosi: ...Huh.  Well it's quite useful!
[22:19] <ochosi> yeah, it's not bad, but also not very discoverable (q.e.d.)
[22:20] <Unit193> It might not be, don't know how I did, but guaranteed panel settings is certainly not something to break now.
[22:20] <ninetls> I think I can add a ctrl+right click to force display plugin menu
[22:20] <Unit193> ninetls: Thank you very much!
[22:20] <ninetls> but this feature will be too undocumented
[22:20] <Unit193> I don't suppose you'd have any idea on the remmina "issue"
[22:20] <ninetls> Unit193: let's deal with remmina
[22:21] <ninetls> I'm trying to do all consistently
[22:21] <ninetls> Unit193: dbus-send --print-reply --session --dest=org.kde.StatusNotifierWatcher /StatusNotifierWatcher org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties.GetAll string:org.kde.StatusNotifierWatcher
[22:21] <ninetls> (I need the output)
[22:22] <Unit193> Yeah, where some open the application and others open a menu isn't the most, but as long as they all show icons it's fine.  For that, string ":1.97/org/ayatana/NotificationItem/remmina_icon"
[22:23] <ninetls> Unit193: nice, this string is what I wanted :D
[22:23] <Unit193> Figured, though I could paste it all. :P
[22:23] <ninetls> Unit193: dbus-send --print-reply --session --dest=:1.97 /org/ayatana/NotificationItem/remmina_icon org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties.GetAll string:org.kde.StatusNotifierItem
[22:24] <ninetls> but now I need all output!
[22:24] <Unit193> Figured, http://paste.openstack.org/show/615917
[22:25] <ninetls> \/usr/share/icons hmm
[22:25] <ninetls> (idk now to escape the first / character in irc!)
[22:26] <ninetls> /usr/share/icons
[22:26] <ninetls> yay, double //
[22:26] <Unit193> / / for me (yes, I did type / / /)
[22:26] <ninetls> it's a strange icon path
[22:27] <ninetls> this dir is not for icons
[22:27] <ninetls> but for icon themes
[22:27] <ninetls> /usr/share/icons/Adwaita is valid icon theme path
[22:27] <ninetls> /usr/share/icons is not
[22:27] <Unit193> synergy and xpra have icons there, remmina is under a subdir.
[22:28] <ninetls> it seems I should somehow fallback and try to always load the icon
[22:28] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/615918
[22:28] <ninetls> that's interesting
[22:29] <Unit193> Hah!  pasystray's hover text is great! :P
[22:29] <Unit193> "pasystray" "audio-volume-high" :P
[22:29] <ninetls> ok, I'll try to investigate it
[22:29] <Unit193> Thanks again.  And, remmina 1.1.2
[22:29] <ninetls> Unit193: yes, there is no standard for tooltips for appindicators
[22:30] <ninetls> some of them give a valid data (like nm-applet)
[22:30] <ninetls> some of them doesn't
[22:30] <Unit193> Yeeeeep.  The telegram one is better now that I forced it out of the Ubuntu version.
[22:30] <Unit193> Skype has decent enough one.
[22:30] <ninetls> icomute_22_0
[22:30] <Unit193> Yes, no more of that. :>
[23:12] <ninetls> Unit193: does there is no icon?
[23:12] <ninetls> or there is a small 1x1 icon?
[23:13] <ninetls> a small pixel may be shown
[23:22] <ninetls> Unit193: https://pastebin.com/MKdYAqS7 try this
[23:57] <bluesabre> hm
[23:57] <bluesabre> libxfce4panel-2.0-dev : Depends: libxfce4panel-2.0-4 (= 4.12.1-1ubuntu1) but 4.12.1-1ubuntu2+git-18df4709 is to be installed
[23:58] <bluesabre> this is probably something I did to myself :D


[10:09] <HappyFool> lukus001: hmm, that's not quite right
[10:09] <Trix> which versions of software can I get with apt-get or synaptic
[10:10] <HappyFool> Trix: take a look at packages.ubuntu.com
[10:10] <Trix> thank you HappyFool
[10:10] <lukus001> the fact the source is right.. or because its wrong?
[10:11] <husher> has anyone here switched from Gentoo to Ubuntu?
[10:11] <Trix> hehe
[10:11] <Trix> husher: I am just think of it
[10:11] <HappyFool> lukus001: no, you've just made some minor errors ... one sec
[10:11] <Trix> :)
[10:11] <lukus001> ah ok
[10:12] <HappyFool> lukus001: try this: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/114
[10:12] <husher> Trix: me too; i'm tired of waiting for packages to compile
[10:12] <HappyFool> lukus001: or recopy the one from ubuntuguide.org
[10:12] <tecywiz121> hey agian
[10:12] <Trix> husher: I have been using gentoo or three years and I want change
[10:12] <HappyFool> lukus001: you can cut-and-paste the one from ubuntuguide.org if you prefer
[10:12] <lukus001> then try install java again?
[10:13] <HappyFool> lukus001: yeah
[10:13] <HappyFool> lukus001: at this point i'll warn you that not everyone thinks backports is all that great
[10:13] <tecywiz121> just wondering if anyone know how to install java in X84_64?
[10:13] <husher> Trix: me too.  My computer's running too well; I can't stand it :)
[10:13] <lukus001> well, i dont even know what im doing in all honesty im just doing what the guide says
[10:13] <mike595> hi i am fairly new with ubuntu, can anyone help me
[10:14] <mike595> i am trying to install a tar.gz file
[10:14] <lukus001> damn window's xp messed my head up ^^
[10:14] <simone> Hi... followed advice to get avi's up and running... removed totem -gstreamer and installed totem-xine.... Now the AVI movie plays except that I do not have any sound. The system-sounds still work, but the movie-sound is not functioning? What did I do wrong?
[10:14] <HappyFool> lukus001: well, if anything breaks in the future be sure to mention that you're using backports as part of your question ;)
[10:14] <lukus001> i still got the same problem even with the code from that link you gave me
[10:14] <tecywiz121> anyone?
[10:14] <Trix> how fast are the packages in ubuntu updated after source has been marked stable from developer???
[10:15] <lukus001> java still wont install... is it because i have gb.archive in the url not us.archive
[10:15] <HappyFool> Trix: a release is made every six months
[10:15] <LathropWells> How do i enter the " ^ " in the command  ^A c   ?
[10:15] <jbroome> ctrl
[10:15] <tecywiz121> just wondering if anyone know how to install java in X84_64?
[10:15] <Trix> hmm
[10:15] <HappyFool> Trix: ubuntu isn't really bleeding edge ;)
[10:15] <ivanox> if the system just freezes after having installed the latest nvidia driver and changed driver to "nvidia" in xorg.conf could that be driver problem, or broken hardware?
[10:15] <LathropWells> Thanks
[10:16] <jbroome> HappyFool: i think Trix was talking about security updates, not complete OS revisions
[10:16] <HappyFool> lukus001: if you have a correct sources.list and the command doesn't work, i'm not sure
[10:16] <HappyFool> jbroome: ok, oops
[10:16] <Trix> jbroome: exactly and upgrading to latest versions of software
[10:16] <tecywiz121> or how bout getting firefox i368
[10:17] <HappyFool> jbroome: ah-ha! so doth the gentoo user reveal itself! ;)
[10:17] <lukus001> i guess there no harm in chaing my gb.archive link for the us
[10:17] <kbrooks> meh
[10:17] <tritium> Trix, once a stable release is made, no updates (other than security update) are made until the next release.
[10:17] <Trix> when new version of for example evolution is released how long does it take to be availible through apt-get
[10:17] <HappyFool> lukus001: they should be identical (the two sites)
[10:18] <Trix> one week? one day?
[10:18] <lukus001> then why have the two oO lol
[10:18] <jbroome> HappyFool: nope, i'm on hoary right now
[10:18] <HappyFool> lukus001: for load balancing
[10:18] <tecywiz121> ideas on how to get java working?
[10:18] <lukus001> ahh
[10:18] <HappyFool> jbroome: i meant trix's question, not you ;)
[10:18] <tritium> Trix, if the new version is not a security fix, it won't be updated until the next release, unless you decide to run the development release (e.g. breezy, right now)
[10:19] <HappyFool> jbroome: supposed to be funny, nevermind :)
[10:19] <lukus001> never changeda thing anyway
[10:19] <lukus001> if i download the file from the website to my desktop, how can i install it from that?
[10:19] <tritium> tecywiz121, install java-package, download Sun's binary installer, use make-jpkg (see docs in /usr/share/doc/java-package)
[10:19] <HappyFool> lukus001: try 'apt-cache search jre' -- do you get anything?
[10:19] <Trix> i just dont know ...  from gentoo to ubuntu... to gentoo or to ubuntu this is the question :)
[10:20] <Trix> he
[10:20] <holycow> http://www.teaser.fr/~hfiguiere/linux/digicam.html  <-- awesome reference page for linux and digital cameras
[10:20] <HappyFool> Trix: what do you require from a distro?
[10:20] <husher> tritium: so, how soon after release do packages make it into the development release, typically?
[10:21] <lukus001> i get some docbook thing...
[10:21] <tritium> husher, a few weeks, on average, perhaps.  difficult to say, as it varies
[10:21] <HappyFool> lukus001: and that's it?
[10:21] <lukus001> did u mean jre or j2re aswell ;)
[10:21] <Trix> HappyFool: i have everything i want from gentoo, but i am bored and want some changes in my life,... :))
[10:21] <HappyFool> lukus001: oops
[10:21] <HappyFool> lukus001: j2re
[10:21] <HappyFool> Trix: heh
[10:21] <simone> sorry to repeat question: I installed totem-xine. It is now playing my avi's but without sound. My system sounds that comes with the desktop still works, but no movie sounds? What should I do to get sound working?
[10:21] <HappyFool> Trix: go on holiday ;)
[10:21] <lukus001> nothing
[10:21] <husher> i'm looking for what Trix wants, but with bleeding edge packages :)
[10:22] <lukus001> coman not found
[10:22] <lukus001> command* sorry
[10:22] <HappyFool> lukus001: eh?
[10:22] <GNULinuxer> simone, tell xine to use esd as the sound driver
[10:22] <HappyFool> lukus001: 'apt-cache search j2re'
[10:22] <caonex> anybody using vnc through ssh tunnel?
[10:22] <Trix> how is with nforce2 soundstorm soundcard in ubuntu?
[10:22] <lukus001> my fualt i mised the - out... i got invalid operation j2re
[10:23] <HappyFool> lukus001: you need 'search' as well
[10:23] <lukus001> rofl not my day :'(
[10:23] <tuxrocks> Can anyone help me???
[10:23] <tritium> lukus001, I'd recommend java-package so that your j2re will be under package management.  (You'll build a .deb from Sun's installer)
[10:24] <tuxrocks> i get a message saying that i have 1 broken package on my system when i am in Synaptic
[10:24] <lukus001> i done it properly this time.. it just retuirned with the root@verpix:/home
[10:24] <lukus001> i.e. nothing
[10:24] <tuxrocks> what should i do to fix that?
[10:25] <HappyFool> lukus001: then sun-j2re1.5 is not in backports, or something else is wrong. Seveas said the ubuntuguide.org was wrong regarding this -- perhaps it is
[10:25] <HappyFool> lukus001: perhaps you should follow tritium's advice
[10:25] <simone> GNULinuxer, how do I tell xine to use esd as the sound driver?
[10:25] <tuxrocks> i get a message saying that i have 1 broken package on my system when i am in Synaptic
[10:25] <tuxrocks> what should i do to fix that
[10:25] <lukus001> what java package? exactly though
[10:25] <tritium> tuxrocks, backports are unadvisable
[10:25] <tuxrocks> what do u mean?
[10:26] <HappyFool> lukus001: see wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[10:26] <lukus001> ok.. thank you
[10:26] <tritium> tuxrocks, they make upgrading to the next stable release a pain, for one thing
[10:26] <tuxrocks> oh
[10:26] <tuxrocks> so should i worry about the message?
[10:26] <theotheo> Hello, does anyone know how to make dvd-movies play in ubuntu 5.04, i can't get dvdcss installed
[10:27] <tweek> tuxrocks, totse?
[10:27] <HappyFool> theotheo: you have followed the instructions on wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats ?
[10:27] <tuxrocks> does anyone know any good beginner's guides to Ubuntu??
[10:27] <tuxrocks> i could use one, lol
[10:27] <HappyFool> tuxrocks: wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation is a start
[10:27] <tritium> tuxrocks, http://ubuntuguide.org/, but some of it is bogus advice
[10:28] <tuxrocks> thanks!!
[10:28] <theotheo> No i didn't, for i don't know the page, i'll take a look, thanks
[10:31] <HappyFool> in some sane parallel universe ubuntu is allowed to distribute dvd and mp3 players on the install cd, and this channel is much quieter
[10:31] <ivanox> if I have fucked up my kernel what can I do?
[10:32] <shekhar> hello all, could someone help me establishing a gprs connection with my bluetooth modem in hoary?
[10:32] <Trix> unfuck it
[10:32] <HappyFool> you can hope you haven't removed the standard kernel images
[10:32] <airox> Hi, how can I allow my own user to mount iso's without sudo ?
[10:32] <tweek> ivanox the kernels need lovin'
[10:32] <airox> chmod +s on root or something ?
[10:32] <tweek> -s
[10:32] <exobot> Hi, can anyone help with a WPC54G wireless card install using ndiswrapper please? D:
[10:32] <LokeDK> How do I control which services should start up when booting ubuntu?
[10:32] <ivanox> tweek, I took it a bit to hard I fear
[10:33] <tweek> werd
[10:33] <pepsi> breezy is brokeass :D
[10:33] <tweek> what did you do to it
[10:33] <ivanox> installed nvidia kernel and it broke
[10:33] <exobot> anyone?
[10:34] <djm62> LokeDK: update-rc.d
[10:34] <HappyFool> airox: i'd stick with sudo, or just use nautilus (there's some plugin to browse iso's)
[10:34] <tweek> ivanox i have to goto work :\
[10:34] <tweek> sorry
[10:35] <ivanox> wtf =(
[10:35] <LokeDK> thx djm62
[10:35] <airox> HappyFool: I'm using a right mouse button menu to mount iso's in kde. So I wanted to let my own user to do this :)
[10:35] <airox> I'm the only user on the system.
[10:36] <orhs> hey all!
[10:36] <HappyFool> doesn't kde have an equivalent to gnome's 'fileroller' ?
[10:36] <heimdall> Hi all !
[10:36] <airox> Well I need to mount images to let other programs use it.
[10:36] <HappyFool> airox: you can *try* setting mount suid, i guess, but i wouldn't recommend it
[10:36] <kcburyshaker> OMG!!!!!   i just did something with ubuntu i never could do with fedora!  i just played a dvd
[10:36] <kcburyshaker> ok  now ubuntu rocks
[10:36] <orhs> lol
[10:36] <AySink> lol
[10:36] <airox> True.
[10:36] <airox> :)
[10:36] <HappyFool> airox: ah, fair enough
[10:37] <kcburyshaker> fedora never did read my hardware right
[10:37] <kcburyshaker> but this rocks
[10:37] <exobot> With ndiswrapper, when I dmesg it gives me 3 errors of "wlan0: no IPv6 routers present" :
[10:37] <exobot> Please, anyne help? D:
[10:37] <kcburyshaker> im a very happy user and will tell friends about this now
[10:37] <orhs> well iam missing my WIFI on ubuntu... spent 4 hours on it then i had to re-install my comp :P
[10:37] <Cooner750> ok back
[10:38] <heimdall> HappyFool remember me ?
[10:38] <heimdall> how are you ?
[10:38] <exobot> I'm a unhappy user :(
[10:38] <Cooner750> running Ubuntu on a AMD Athlon XP 3200 right now :)
[10:38] <airox> :))
[10:38] <orhs> anyone know any good/fun programs to download? just lovin the apt-get command :P
[10:39] <HappyFool> heimdall: hi there. fine thanks, how are you?
[10:39] <orhs> why exobot?
[10:39] <HappyFool> orhs: supertux
[10:39] <HappyFool> orhs: browse the 'games' section in universe. lots of time-wasting apps there
[10:39] <heimdall> HappyFool : well fine too thx, I just have maybe found something for me problem
[10:40] <heimdall> HappyFool : can I ask you what do you think of what I've found ?
[10:40] <exobot> orhs: Because my wireless isn't working D:
[10:40] <HappyFool> heimdall: sure
[10:41] <heimdall> okay, I found this page just 2 min ago :) http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-23252.html
[10:41] <orhs> exobot, well just pend some hours on getting ndiswrapper and installing the drivers, type much code
[10:41] <exobot> I have.
[10:41] <heimdall> it seems that this guy is describing exactly the same problem as me
[10:41] <eisregen> hi =)
[10:42] <heather> hi
[10:42] <shekhar> anyone know how to dial a gprs connection in ubuntu?
[10:43] <HappyFool> heimdall: so have you tried it?
[10:43] <heimdall> HappyFool : I can try to disable 'acpi' (enven if for the moment I don't know what it is) but it seems that it is not the solution all time
[10:43] <heimdall> since it didn't work for someone there
[10:43] <HappyFool> heimdall: let me just check... i think acpi is power management
[10:43] <heimdall> HappyFool : well I don't know what 'acpi' means, and if I have to install again to disable it
[10:44] <battlecat> how do you look at a FAT32 partition with WinXP from Ubuntu Gnome?
[10:44] <HappyFool> heimdall: no, you should be able to tweak grub for that
[10:44] <Octane-wrk> hi all has anyone here gotten a Marvell 88E8053 gigabit NIC working?
[10:45] <heimdall> HappyFool : oh ok
[10:45] <lickety> battlecat, mount -t vfat /dev/hd?# /mnt/dir
[10:45] <eisregen> I've just ubuntu 5.04 for amd64 .... uhm ... .what can I say except gnome starts up and hangs .... not that I expected gnome to work at all .... but what runlevel does Ubuntu use for multiuser/no-x envoironment ? ... and whats the apt-get param to install KDE ?
[10:45] <eisregen> *installed
[10:45] <battlecat> Oh I see Lickety is there no other way than throught the terminal
[10:46] <HappyFool> heimdall: (from google) : ACPI is short for "Advanced Configuration and Power Interface"
[10:46] <mjr> Octane-wrk, I seem to have a "Marvell Technology Group Ltd. Yukon Gigabit Ethernet 10/100/1000Base-T Adapter (rev 13)" on this box and mostly working; dunno if it's that spesific model
[10:46] <lickety> battlecat, you can modify the /etc/fstab file
[10:46] <battlecat> oh ok thanks
[10:46] <battlecat> Ill try the first way
[10:46] <HappyFool> eisregen: ubuntu doesn't work like that (runlevels for X)
[10:46] <heimdall> HappyFool : ok, but did you notice that it is not always the solution to disable it ?
[10:46] <Octane-wrk> mjr:  thanks for the answer, no thats not the same thing :( i wish i had a yukon --it would work!
[10:46] <heimdall> HappyFool : you can look here : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25487
[10:46] <HappyFool> eisregen: you can try shutting down gdm: 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop'
[10:46] <lickety> eisregen, I would guess that the no X run level is 3
[10:46] <HappyFool> heimdall: yeah, i saw
[10:47] <eisregen> lickety: thanks =)
[10:47] <eisregen> lickety:
[10:47] <HappyFool> heimdall: but it's probably worth trying
[10:47] <battlecat> lickety Can windows see a linux partition?
[10:47] <Cooner750> I get this after installing updates: "E: linux-image-2.6.10-5-386:  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2"
[10:47] <heimdall> HappyFool : looks like it deals again with nvidia, as we saw yesterday
[10:47] <heimdall> HappyFool : I'm pessimist
[10:47] <HappyFool> eisregen: try installing 'kubuntu-desktop' for kde
[10:48] <lickety> battlecat, no
[10:48] <HappyFool> heimdall: i don't blame you ;)
[10:48] <battlecat> ahh almost pointless then.
[10:48] <battlecat> Lickety: Almost pointless then huh?
[10:48] <heimdall> HappyFool : I think at last this is probably not a problem with my SiS630, because I saw in the x conf file that it was recognized
[10:48] <heimdall> driver = "sis" etc..
[10:49] <maruchan> is their a way to get movifone to work
[10:49] <eisregen> HappyFool: thanks .... sorry ... never bothered to use a debian based distro ... so it's apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?
[10:49] <HappyFool> battlecat: try explore2fs (something like that) -- let's you copy files from ext3 (linux) to windows
[10:49] <HappyFool> eisregen: yeah
[10:49] <maruchan> is their a trick to see stupid trailers from moviefone
[10:49] <eisregen> HappyFool: thanks =)
[10:49] <HappyFool> eisregen: with maybe a 'sudo' in front
[10:49] <battlecat> HappyFool: Thanks for the suggestion. I think I should just break down and make the switch.
[10:49] <balor> Is there a good audio recorder/editor for Ubuntu (audacity don't work for me)?
[10:49] <eisregen> HappyFool: no ... I figured the 'sudo passwd root'
[10:49] <eisregen> ^^
[10:50] <eisregen> bye =)
[10:50] <lickety> I'd really like to see a multitrack editor for linux that was free somewhat in the vein of cool edit
[10:50] <HappyFool> eisregen: heh. ok ;)
[10:50] <eisregen> and thanks again ^^
[10:50] <heimdall> HappyFool : well looks like it is a boot option (acpi) I would have to press F5
[10:50] <HappyFool> heimdall: in install?
[10:51] <heimdall> HappyFool : hum don't really know....
[10:51] <HappyFool> heimdall: why not just add a parameter using grub, on your existing install
[10:51] <balor> lickety, I take it that means no?
[10:51] <HappyFool> heimdall: press 'ESC' when you boot, then it think it's 'a' to add a parameter
[10:51] <heimdall> HappyFool : you know that I'm not very familiar with linux ;)
[10:51] <lickety> balor, to my knowledge, it doesn't exist, if it does, it's a commercial application
[10:52] <HappyFool> heimdall: fair enough. i'm not sure what the precise parameter is, e.g., if it's pci=noacpi like the page said
[10:52] <HappyFool> lukus001: i've never gotten dcc chat to work with x-chat ;)
[10:53] <HappyFool> lukus001: still trying to get java installed?
[10:53] <heimdall> HappyFool : I'll try to do something.... well the idea that it could be a problem with the power management is pretty nice to me, because I already had problems with that and Mdk9.1
[10:55] <heimdall> HappyFool : this is too bad that I have to reboot each time ;)
[10:55] <HappyFool> heimdall: have you looked here? https://wiki.ubuntu.com//HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[10:56] <heimdall> HappyFool : no I'm gonna look now
[10:57] <HappyFool> heimdall: also here: http://www.linux-laptop.net/  -- what's your model again?
[10:57] <heimdall> I lloked at this wbsite
[10:57] <heimdall> samsung VM8000, it is not there
[10:58] <heimdall> I believe I saw VM7000
[10:58] <heimdall> but no 8000
[10:58] <heimdall> grrr ;)
[10:59] <UnGoD> hello?
[11:00] <UnGoD> i dont know who can help me....
[11:00] <HappyFool> hello
[11:00] <UnGoD> but i cant get the ubuntu test disk to work
[11:00] <UnGoD> it tells me the the x server isnt configured...
[11:00] <HappyFool> which test disk is that?
[11:00] <UnGoD> i dont know what to do, cuz im new to linux
[11:00] <Addius> hm, having a slight problem. I'm trying to build something that wants to use the dir /lib/modules/'uname -r'/build/ , the problem being that the /build/ dir doesn't exist o_O;
[11:01] <UnGoD> Ubuntu V5.04
[11:01] <LinuxJones> UnGoD, you mean the livecd ?
[11:01] <UnGoD> yeah
[11:01] <UnGoD> the live cd
[11:01] <HappyFool> Addius: you need to install linux-headers-386  (or -686, or -k7, or whatever you kernel is)
[11:01] <LinuxJones> UnGoD, what kind of computer do you have ....like video card /laptop etc ??
[11:02] <UnGoD> i got  a emachine that i modified....PCI NividiaGeforce 128  intel 2.6 celeron
[11:02] <UnGoD> western digi 80 G
[11:03] <UnGoD> 512 MB ram
[11:03] <battlecat> Im looking for a good PHP editor for Ubuntu. Any suggestions?
[11:03] <HiddenWolf> try gedit
[11:03] <peterretief> vi
[11:03] <lukus001> sorry happyfool i got tied away.. yeah im still trying :s.. most of the rapositories dont work... i just done one that did work... and the site say it "work out the box, no need to do anything" but java doesnt work :s
[11:03] <lsuactiafner> battlecat : joe.. or midnight commander (mc)
[11:03] <UnGoD> Running XP Home SP2
[11:03] <wulfepup> ok... so my wireless card works... mostly. (Ad-Hoc is extremely flaky).. but I still haven't figured out why my OGL screen savers are so klunky...nVidia GeForce 440 ith 64MB RAM
[11:04] <Addius> HappyFool: okay, thanks
[11:04] <battlecat> Im spoiled I am used to Dreamweaver MX. The one thing I miss when I try the Linux alternatives is the SITE LINK maintenance that dreamweaver provides. Does any other editor provide that?
[11:04] <HappyFool> lukus001: well, if you haven't run out of patience yet, i see method 3 most often recommended here
[11:04] <LinuxJones> UnGoD, that video card should have no problem afaik
[11:04] <UnGoD> Running XP Home SP2
[11:04] <UnGoD> oops
[11:04] <HappyFool> lukus001: see "Quick Sun JDK install"
[11:04] <UnGoD> what do i do?
[11:04] <heimdall> Hello LinuxJones ;)
[11:04] <squinn> Question for you #ubuntu
[11:05] <LinuxJones> heimdall, hi how did you make out ?
[11:05] <squinn> I need to type 'sudo ifup wlan0' to start wireless every boot. Can I have this performed automatically?
[11:05] <UnGoD> how do i config the X server?
[11:05] <UnGoD> i just want to get on ubuntu
[11:05] <lukus001> ill give it a try =)
[11:05] <HappyFool> squinn: maybe add it to /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh ?
[11:05] <balor> Is sourceforge down for people here?
[11:05] <heimdall> LinuxJones : well as I said, I found something here : http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-23252.html
[11:05] <LinuxJones> UnGoD, it's been a while since i ran the live cd but I am sure there is a boot option you can add to change the video driver to vesa
[11:06] <lsuactiafner> and chmod +x /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[11:06] <heimdall> LinuxJones : it describe my problem perfectly, sounds like it could be a problem with 'acpi'
[11:06] <UnGoD> if anyone knows what Jones is refferring to, please elaborate
[11:06] <UnGoD> i really wanna run it
[11:06] <heimdall> LinuxJones : not sure of how to disable it
[11:06] <lsuactiafner> squinn : but just say ifup wlan0 not sudu
[11:06] <optik`> oopsied
[11:06] <HappyFool> heimdall: i think the parameter is just 'noacpi', not 'pci=noacpi'
[11:06] <optik`> i did a dist-upgrade earlier
[11:06] <optik`> and now it wont boot :S
[11:06] <fabio> hello all
[11:06] <lsuactiafner> optik` : check the topic hehe...
[11:07] <optik`> is there a way of reversing said action?
[11:07] <heimdall> HappyFool : yes but where do I type this ?
[11:07] <HappyFool> heimdall: two possible places
[11:07] <fabio> guys anybody knows hot to transform CHM files to PDF's within Ubuntu?
[11:07] <optik`> no not to breezy
[11:07] <LathropWells> squinn - could you create a launcher link and run it system .. preferences .. Sessions .. start up?
[11:07] <optik`> with some backports-staging packages
[11:07] <HappyFool> heimdall: 1) on boot, you should see 'Press ESC for boot menu' (or something similar)
[11:07] <UnGoD> Can anyone help me?
[11:07] <HappyFool> heimdall: so, press ESC to get the grub menu
[11:07] <heimdall> ok for 1
[11:07] <heimdall> okay I'll try this
[11:07] <fabio> UnGoD, what's the prob?
[11:07] <squinn> LathropWells, I could, but wouldn't that have it only load when I go into GNOME?
[11:08] <squinn> I'd like it to load on boot itself.
[11:08] <squinn> and okay, lsuactiafner and HappyFool
[11:08] <HappyFool> heimdall: grub will give you some prompts; i think you type 'a' to add a boot parameter
[11:08] <LathropWells> squinn - yes i guess you are right...
[11:08] <UnGoD> fabio, when i run the Ubuntu livecd, it gets thru the process then says it cant configure the X server
[11:08] <HappyFool> heimdall: so, press 'a', and then type noacpi and <enter>
[11:08] <UnGoD> fabio, when i run the Ubuntu livecd, it gets thru the process then says it cant configure the X server
[11:08] <heimdall> boot parameter would be 'noacpi' or pci=noacpi, I'll try both
[11:09] <UnGoD> i dont think i like this chat client much
[11:09] <UnGoD> lol
[11:09] <heimdall> ok
[11:09] <Cooner750> I have a idea
[11:09] <heimdall> and 2 ?
[11:09] <HappyFool> heimdall: 2 is if it works
[11:09] <Cooner750> I thought it would be neat to be able to save your configs and settings; etc... to the server like Slax linux; if you've ever heard of it
[11:09] <HappyFool> heimdall: then you'll want to update /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:09] <LinuxJones> fabio, did you install xchm maybe you can grab a screenshot and export it using openoffice as pdf ??
[11:10] <fabio> UnGoD, hmm, ru  trying it on a laptop?
[11:10] <HappyFool> heimdall: you need to add 'noacpi' to the '#kopt=' line
[11:10] <heimdall> in order to do noacpi each time ?
[11:10] <UnGoD> no, im running a customized Emachine
[11:10] <HappyFool> heimdall: yeah
[11:10] <LinuxJones> fabio, I don't know of any direct converters unless xchm can do it
[11:10] <fabio> LinuxJones, yep I have it installed, hmm good idea, the point is I wpuld like the whole book :/
[11:10] <HappyFool> heimdall: but, you need to run something first to make that change propagate -- i'm not sure what
[11:10] <UnGoD> XP Home SP2, Nvidia PCI Geforce 5200, Celeron 2.6
[11:10] <LinuxJones> fabio, that would take a while :)
[11:10] <balor> Has anyone managed to get audacity working correctly?
[11:11] <fabio> LinuxJones, hehe yes that's what I thought :P
[11:11] <HappyFool> heimdall: ah, maybe it's update-grub
[11:11] <LathropWells> UnGoD - I feel your pain. "" Emachine. - lol
[11:11] <heimdall> HappyFool : sounds pretty difficult to me :/
[11:11] <HappyFool> heimdall: no, not at all
[11:11] <heimdall> lol
[11:11] <fabio> UnGoD, hmm that's pretty strange, I use the same GFX here
[11:11] <UnGoD> it was a cheapie...lol  but im happy with it
[11:11] <LinuxJones> balor, audacity was working just fine last time I used it
[11:11] <exobot> rebootin now after compiling ndiwrapper 1.1
[11:11] <heimdall> you think... :)
[11:11] <HappyFool> heimdall: just edit /boot/grub/menu.lst with your favourite editor
[11:11] <exobot> please work D:!
[11:11] <UnGoD> i just dont want windows anymore
[11:11] <HappyFool> heimdall: e.g., 'sudo nano /boot/menu/grub.lst'
[11:11] <heimdall> I have NOT favorite editor :)
[11:11] <HappyFool> heh
[11:11] <heimdall> at least not in console mode :)
[11:11] <LathropWells> you can't beat $299 for a 2.8 celeron
[11:11] <HappyFool> heimdall: well, nano is not too hard to use
[11:12] <fabio> UnGoD, have you tried to check for the md5 checksum and see if it was downloaded correctly?
[11:12] <balor> LinuxJones, no problems with the quality of output?  If not it must be my settings.
[11:12] <orhs> i want to learn PHP and Python
[11:12] <HappyFool> heimdall: let's test if you can get (1) working first
[11:12] <heimdall> yes
[11:12] <HappyFool> heimdall: we can worry about updating grub later
[11:12] <exobot> orhs PHP isn't that hard :)
[11:12] <fabio> orhs, cool
[11:12] <UnGoD> im not even sure what that means, fabio
[11:12] <heimdall> and we'll see 2 later
[11:12] <heimdall> yes :)
[11:12] <AySink> ors: "Learning Python" - Oreilly, and "PHP 5 Power Programming" - Prentice Hall
[11:12] <LinuxJones> balor, your getting distortion or something ?
[11:12] <heimdall> I have always hope ;)
[11:12] <orhs> exobot, but i dont know were to start :P
[11:12] <exobot> w3schools is good
[11:13] <balor> LinuxJones, The output plays about two or three times slower than realtime
[11:13] <heimdall> so, brb !
[11:13] <exobot> also, hang on - I found this place really good to begin with
[11:13] <exobot> http://www.tizag.com/phpT/index.php
[11:13] <fabio> UnGoD, hm ;) well the md5 checksum helps you see if the file you've downloaded have been downloaded correctly,  so if the md5 code is the same as the one in ubuntu website, it means your copy is not corrupted nor files are missing
[11:14] <exobot> after that, you can do basic stuffs, then just build on there - look up new functions on php.net when you need to
[11:14] <pepsi> anyone using breezy?
[11:14] <fabio> i agree with exobot
[11:14] <LinuxJones> balor, did it ever work ok or were you messing about with some settings ?
[11:14] <UnGoD> my friend got a bunch of copies of Ubuntu in the mail...so thats what i have
[11:14] <jbroome> i had taco bell for lunch, so I"m kinda breezy
[11:14] <battlecat> Is there any big changes in breezy to a non-programmer
[11:14] <johan__> how do i set my printer in ubuntu
[11:14] <AySink> I do too - but I still say PHP 5 Power Programming is an awesome book
[11:14] <pepsi> not really, except stuff breaking
[11:14] <HappyFool> battlecat: yeah, it ain't working yet
[11:15] <LinuxJones> johan__, sudo gnome-cups-manager
[11:15] <battlecat> Ok
[11:15] <balor> LinuxJones, I can't get it or the gnome "Sound Recorder" to work.  I only tweaked the Audacity settings after it was b0rk3d
[11:15] <fabio> UnGoD, oh no, that's different cos those will be OK hopefully, so, hmm sorry but I don't know what the prob could be... I am not that advanced at Linux yet
[11:15] <johan__> thnaks
[11:15] <fabio> UnGoD, have you tried googleing it ;P
[11:15] <battlecat> Is Kdevelop3 capable of being a website management tool?>
[11:15] <UnGoD> yeahj
[11:15] <UnGoD> googling got tiring, so i came here
[11:16] <newuser> mm..
[11:16] <fabio> battlecat, afaik nope ;)
[11:16] <fabio> battlecat, but you can use it for writing php code and more
[11:16] <Addius> HappyFool: erhm, I installed the linux-kernel-header for my system but it still didn't add any /build/ in the lib
[11:16] <battlecat> afaik?
[11:16] <fabio> battlecat, as far as i know
[11:16] <UnGoD> is there anyone here that can tell me how to configure the Xserver in order to run ubuntu?
[11:16] <HappyFool> Addius: there should be a build symbolic link
[11:16] <exobot> Argh, when I modprobe ndiswrapper I get an "operation not permitted"
[11:16] <exobot> any ideas?
[11:16] <battlecat> I really was hoping to find a prog that would manage the site links more than anything
[11:17] <HappyFool> Addius: e..g, i have /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build
[11:17] <Addius> HappyFool: nopes, none
[11:17] <fabio> battlecat, have you tried Nvu?
[11:17] <HappyFool> Addius: ok, what does 'uname -r' say ?
[11:17] <battlecat> That isnt avaible through the repositories
[11:17] <HappyFool> Addius: and what package did you install?
[11:18] <Cooner750> anybody know where I can find themes for Ubuntu?
[11:18] <UnGoD> is there anyone here that can tell me how to configure the Xserver in order to run ubuntu?
[11:18] <fabio> battlecat, it is with the extraones, look at this: http://ubuntuguide.org/#nvu
[11:18] <exobot> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[11:19] <exobot> This is pissing me off
[11:19] <fabio> exobot, what's wrong?
[11:19] <HappyFool> Cooner750: try maybe http://art.gnome.org/   -- i haven't used it myself
[11:19] <LinuxJones> exobot, search the wiki that question gets asked a few times a day
[11:19] <fabio> Cooner750, yes art.gnome.org is good
[11:19] <Addius> HappyFool: 'uname -r' says 2.6.10-5-386, and I installed linux-kernel-headers_<IP_ADDRESS>-0'blabla'_i386.deb
[11:19] <Cooner750> happyfool: thanks
[11:19] <HappyFool> Addius: hm
[11:19] <HappyFool> Addius: no, use apt-get
[11:20] <HappyFool> Addius: 'sudo apt-get install linux-headers-386'
[11:20] <Addius> HappyFool: I can't, there's no internet on the computer
[11:20] <HappyFool> Addius: rather do not download .deb files and install them -- it is rarely necessary
[11:20] <HappyFool> Addius: ah
[11:20] <HappyFool> Addius: ok, stand by
[11:20] <Addius> rarely as said :p
[11:20] <Cooner750> this is cool: http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/teams/art.gnome.org/backgrounds/GNOME-GnomeInThunder_1024x768.jpg
[11:20] <Randall> cthulfuego, are you here?
[11:20] <exobot> LinuxJones, I follwed the SetupNdiswrapperHowto exactly :(!
[11:21] <carambol> i cant  install mplayer with apt.
[11:21] <carambol> it is not in backports
[11:21] <trendsv> mplayer how?
[11:21] <LinuxJones> exobot, sorry I meant to say search the forum boards my mistake ;)
[11:21] <aspuru> Re all: I think i rebooted my computer before answering yes to a re-lilo after kernel upgrade. Now I think I need to boot using the live cd to fix the stuff
[11:21] <carambol> no install candidate
[11:21] <HappyFool> Addius: you have the install cd?
[11:21] <fabio> carambol, have you tried http://ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer
[11:22] <aspuru> how do I open synaptic on the mounted disk? chrooting?
[11:22] <exobot> LinuxJones: Yup that too, I have about 10 different threads open with the same question in, none of them seem to work...
[11:22] <Ali_Baba> lots of X updates on breezy repos :)
[11:22] <Addius> HappyFool: yeah
[11:22] <HappyFool> mplayer should be in universe; the various grey-legal codecs may be in backports
[11:22] <carambol> but i get the message:no candidate
[11:22] <HappyFool> Addius: and you haven't updated your kernel?
[11:22] <djm62> aspuru: probably best to use apt-get or synaptic
[11:23] <djm62> aspuru: apt-get rather than synaptic...I don't know how happy X will be
[11:23] <carambol> fabio:the same for mozilla-mplayer
[11:23] <Cooner750> is there a program that can 'mask' all of that text that displays when linux is booting?
[11:23] <Cooner750> like a splash screen?
[11:23] <djm62> Cooner750: coming in breezy
[11:23] <aspuru> djm: ok, what command shall i tell it to resume installation of the kernel package in case it was broken
[11:23] <fabio> carambol, have you added the extra repositories?
[11:23] <aspuru> djm: apt-get upgrade kernel ?
[11:23] <LinuxJones> exobot, I wish I could help, I don't have a wireless card.
[11:23] <carambol> yeah
[11:23] <Addius> HappyFool: I've opened up a source for a new kernel but I haven't compiled and exchanged it no
[11:24] <Cooner750> ok
[11:24] <djm62> aspuru: do you have the package file on disk?
[11:24] <exobot> No problem, it's just it's getting a bit annoying.
[11:24] <HappyFool> Addius: ok, the headers package is on the cd
[11:24] <carambol> i will try it again
[11:24] <Addius> ok
[11:24] <exobot> It worked in bloody Gentoo, Red Hat and Mandrake, yet not in Ubuntu...
[11:24] <LinuxJones> exobot, yeah lots of folks have trouble with those cards in Linux :(
[11:24] <exobot> :(
[11:24] <HappyFool> Addius: is the cd in the drive on the remote machine ?
[11:24] <cianci10> Can anyone help me with my sound?
[11:24] <Addius> HappyFool: yah
[11:24] <djm62> aspuru: what actually went wrong?
[11:24] <HappyFool> Addius: i mean, the ubuntu machine
[11:24] <cianci10> I am not getting any sound
[11:24] <aspuru> djm: not that I know of. I was running synaptic but then when it upgrades the kernel, it asks some interactive question about re-liloing, I thiknt that is where shit hit the fan because I rebooted w/out ansswering that (b/c I was in a rush)
[11:25] <cianci10> how can i fix this?
[11:25] <HappyFool> Addius: try 'apt-get install linux-headers-386' ?
[11:25] <LinuxJones> exobot, did it work ok out of the box with those other distros ?
[11:25] <HappyFool> Addius: it *should* get it from the cd...
[11:25] <aspuru> turned off my computer I mean
[11:25] <Ali_Baba> cianci10:do you have nforce sound card?
[11:25] <theotheo> I have installed libdvdcss2, but dvd-movies just don't play
[11:25] <Addius> HappyFool: okay, I'll try, thanks
[11:25] <Cooner750> how to I make things like the panels transparent?
[11:25] <cianci10> Ali_Baba is that software?
[11:25] <HappyFool> Addius: otherwise look in pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.10 for the .debs for the headers
[11:26] <Ali_Baba> cianci10: no,its a type of motherboard :)
[11:26] <djm62> aspuru: chroot then dpkg -i (just checking)
[11:26] <cianci10> oh, lol
[11:26] <HappyFool> Addius: i see two there - the one is probably just a 'fake' package of some sort, but i'm not sure
[11:26] <cianci10> um, no i don't think so Ali_Baba
[11:26] <Addius> HappyFool: I tried with the one in the archives and that didn't add the one I needed.. I'll try this one now
[11:26] <HappyFool> Addius: you need an *exactly* matched kernel version -- that's why the one from the archives didn't work
[11:27] <cianci10> so how can i fix my sound?
[11:27] <djm62> aspuru: the downloaded package files are in /var/cache/apt/archives
[11:27] <Ali_Baba> cianci10: yeah,what options you got in multimedia system selector?
[11:27] <true_black_metal> good day ppli want to ask sameting i want to install my Tv-card what are good video players to use my tvcard on ?
[11:27] <lsuactiafner> theotheo : install mplayer
[11:27] <cianci10> where is that? Ali-Baba??
[11:28] <djm62> aspuru: so when you chroot, do dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/kernel-whatever-etc.deb
[11:28] <cianci10> I am sorry, i am kind of new at this
[11:28] <aspuru> djm: thanks I Will try it as soon as the cd finishes burning
[11:28] <exobot> LinuxJones sorry, was just trying something else, no I had to use ndiswrapper with tyhose too
[11:28] <Ali_Baba> cianci: system-preferences-multimedia system selector
[11:28] <aspuru> djm62: you are extremeley helpful thanks for your time :) I willk tell you the result in about 10 min ...
[11:28] <Cooner750> I think Ubuntu needs something like this
[11:28] <Cooner750> http://slax.linux-live.org/webconfig.php
[11:28] <djm62> aspuru: and try not to break this one, Bond... </q>
[11:28] <HappyFool> exobot: linux jones is taking a smoke break ;) i guess he'll be back in a minute or two
[11:28] <Addius> HappyFool: okay.. well it added the /build/ but it stopped in the next step instead. ack, hehe
[11:28] <Ali_Baba> cianci10: on your taskbar
[11:28] <HappyFool> Addius: heh
[11:28] <cianci10> oh, ok Ali_Baba
[11:28] <exobot> :P
[11:29] <cianci10> thank u.........
[11:29] <orangey> quick q: I keep getting the following message when trying to install spca drivers for my quickcam: /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.
[11:29] <cianci10> let me see
[11:29] <exobot> please please please work D:!
[11:29] <orangey> However, I have no /usr/src/linux-2.6.10-5-386/debian/build dir.
[11:29] <HappyFool> orangey: install linux-headers-386: 'sudo apt-get install linux-headers-386'
[11:29] <Ali_Baba> cianci10: i got alsa as default sink and oss as default source
[11:29] <likkashot> :(
[11:29] <exobot> out of interest, how come there are no mods?
[11:29] <exobot> ops*
[11:29] <orangey> HappyFool: Brilliant!
[11:30] <cianci10> Ali_Baba, so what did u wanna know?
[11:30] <likkashot> I think ill have to change distributions
[11:30] <lsuactiafner> exobot : ops will get private queries..
[11:30] <lsuactiafner> we dont want that
[11:30] <FunkDatSit> hey all, can anybody help me set artwiz to my default fonts on fluxbox?
[11:30] <orangey> HappyFool: thank you kindly.
[11:30] <exobot> Ah
[11:30] <exobot> clever..
[11:30] <HappyFool> orangey: np
[11:30] <djm62> exobot: they prefer not to keep op privs, instead gaining them when necessary
[11:30] <exobot> Yeah, fair enough
[11:30] <exobot> was just wondering :)
[11:30] <Ali_Baba> cianci10:you can try to change that default sink and source and press test button,that might work
[11:31] <lsuactiafner> send a message to HappyFool and see if he stays 'happy'..
[11:31] <LathropWells> likkashot - still having problems? - 64bit install wasn't it?  :/
[11:31] <cianci10> oh, ok
[11:31] <cianci10> thanks
[11:31] <HappyFool> heh. i'm not an op :P
[11:31] <cianci10> g2g
[11:31] <Addius> aff, anyone here got any experience getting the zd1201 driver working?
[11:31] <mcscruff> lo
[11:31] <lsuactiafner> HappyFool : but you could be.. whenever i come here you are answering questions
[11:31] <djm62> it's also good not knowing who's an op...keeps people polite
[11:31] <lsuactiafner> likkashot : i got an amd64 system whats up
[11:32] <exobot> ARGH!
[11:32] <exobot> D:!
[11:32] <lsuactiafner> lol
[11:32] <exobot> Grrrr
[11:32] <mcscruff> pls help, i cant install anything. i want to install a deb and it wont let me su
[11:32] <Church_of_FoamY> can someone tell me where the howto is for the ubuntu repos are?
[11:32] <HappyFool> lsuactiafner: probably cos we're both on during dear old telkom callmore time ;)
[11:32] <orhs> any hackers here? (like good/ethical hackers)
[11:32] <exobot> must..reist.. temptation to throw laptop out of window >:|!
[11:32] <Cooner750> I wish it was eaiser to install MP3 capability
[11:32] <djm62> mcscruff: you can't su, there's no root password: use sudo instead
[11:32] <Ali_Baba> cianci10:you should chech ubuntu forums also,im not really an expert myself too :)
[11:32] <lsuactiafner> HappyFool : bwhahaha yeh it sucks
[11:32] <mcscruff> ok
[11:32] <lsuactiafner> orhs : no such thing
[11:32] <mcscruff> ty
[11:32] <LathropWells> lsuactiafner - likkashot needs a hand
[11:32] <djm62> orhs: wrong forum, wrong question
[11:33] <orhs> ok srry djm62
[11:33] <likkashot> i need more then one haha
[11:33] <exobot> must... kill.. ndiswrapper
[11:33] <orhs> lol
[11:33] <Church_of_FoamY> can anyone tell me how to get to the howto pages?
[11:33] <FunkDatSit> anybody know how to get the artwiz fonts working? i can't seem to set them as default
[11:33] <newuser> Excuse me, what is a good compiler for C? withinn, Ubuntu..
[11:33] <virtuald> gcc
[11:33] <djm62> Church_of_FoamY: best way is always google...howtos change and move
[11:33] <HappyFool> newuser: gcc. install the 'build-essential' package
[11:34] <LathropWells> Church_of_Foamy - the wiki? the guide or just plain 'ol man pages?
[11:34] <newuser> Thank you.
[11:34] <Church_of_FoamY> oh ok thanx
[11:34] <orangey> what's a good video recording program in linux?
[11:34] <djm62> FunkDatSit: default for fluxbox, or for x/gnome
[11:34] <Church_of_FoamY> well i was looking for the how to to put everyhting in the repos
[11:34] <LinuxJones> orangey, for tv shows ?
[11:34] <Church_of_FoamY> in synaptic
[11:34] <FunkDatSit> yeah that's the problem, I started up fluxbox before I had the fonts, and now it uses the ones that come with X
[11:34] <LathropWells> ubotu tell Church_of_Foamy !guide
[11:35] <orangey> LinuxJones: no.. off of my webcam.. THink manifestos : )
[11:35] <LathropWells> ubotu tell Church_of_FoamY !guide
[11:35] <HappyFool> Church_of_FoamY: take a look here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TitleIndex and search for the word 'repository'
[11:35] <exo|busy> LinuxJones wb, no - with otthers distros i still had to use ndiswrapper, but the differnce was: it worked.
[11:35] <Church_of_FoamY> thanx happy ^_^
[11:36] <HappyFool> Church_of_FoamY: adding repositories (if that's what you want to do) isn't too hard: take a look at Settings -> Repositories
[11:36] <lsuactiafner> HappyFool : where do you live?
[11:36] <exobot> hmmm, I suppose in the meantime I could always use XP's Internet connection sharing..
[11:36] <HappyFool> lsuactiafner: centurion (nearish pretoria)
[11:36] <LathropWells> Church_of_Foamy googleing ubuntuguide or ubuntu wiki is pretty direct it also turns up highly rated linux questions.org howtos
[11:36] <HappyFool> lsuactiafner: you?
[11:36] <carambol> is the backports mirror not working?
[11:37] <lsuactiafner> potch, student here
[11:37] <HappyFool> lsuactiafner: ah-ha, cool
[11:37] <lsuactiafner> exams atm.. thats why i dont help much
[11:37] <carambol> i cant get mplayer
[11:37] <HappyFool> lsuactiafner: ouch
[11:37] <LinuxJones> exobot, dude I wish I could give you some help :(
[11:37] <lsuactiafner> carambol : add repositories
[11:37] <djm62> FunkDatSit: you have the fonts installed now? use a theme that uses artwiz (or write your own)
[11:37] <exobot> Nah it's not your fault/problem :)
[11:37] <lsuactiafner> !repository
[11:37] <ubotu> lsuactiafner: Wish i knew
[11:37] <mcscruff> does anyone know that kde app that installs deb files.. i think its something like kpackage
[11:37] <lsuactiafner> hmmmm
[11:37] <exobot> You using ubuntu?
[11:37] <lsuactiafner> whats the command?
[11:37] <carambol> i have done it allready
[11:38] <lsuactiafner> !repos
[11:38] <djm62> mcscruff: why do you want to manually install debs?
[11:38] <ubotu> Wish i knew, lsuactiafner
[11:38] <HappyFool> carambol: mplayer-386 is in 'multiverse'
[11:38] <lsuactiafner> argh
[11:38] <Stuttergart> Does anyone know why the qla2xxx driver doesn't show up in a 'make menuconfig' even though the drivers are in the kernel source package?
[11:38] <mcscruff> i can now manually install
[11:38] <carambol> oh, not in backports?
[11:38] <mcscruff> now im looking for a nice gui
[11:38] <djm62> Stuttergart: have you enabled "experimental options"
[11:38] <mcscruff> there was an app that installed rpm's and deb
[11:38] <djm62> mcscruff: you should use synaptic or similar
[11:39] <mcscruff> it is similar
[11:39] <exobot> blah, I'll try the 1.2rc of ndiswrapper, g'wan . I dare you to work :P
[11:39] <HappyFool> i think it's 'kynaptic' in kde
[11:39] <LathropWells> mcscruff - the "alien" command?
[11:39] <Stuttergart> djm62: I've never even heard of that.
[11:39] <lsuactiafner> qla2xxx : prolly since you didnt select support for incomplete experimantal options
[11:39] <Stuttergart> oh
[11:39] <Stuttergart> no
[11:39] <Stuttergart> I did
[11:39] <newuser> So when was the latest of Ubuntu released?
[11:39] <djm62> april fool's
[11:39] <lsuactiafner> qla2xxx : Code maturity level options .. [*]  Prompt for development and/or incomplete code/drivers
[11:39] <HappyFool> newuser: april 2005
[11:39] <djm62> or thereabouts
[11:40] <Stuttergart> lsu: yep, that's checked.
[11:40] <newuser> Hehehe, Okay thanks.. I just got my connection back after 3 years
[11:40] <LinuxJones> newuser, next release is in October
[11:40] <newuser> Thank you.
[11:40] <Stuttergart> And SCSI support and PCI support are both static.
[11:40] <mcscruff> cheers for al ur help, i want this app because it does a number of things, i think xandros uses it as a primary installer
[11:40] <mcscruff> or mepis does
[11:40] <heimdall> HappyFool : yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
[11:40] <HappyFool> heimdall: it works ?
[11:40] <heimdall> HappyFool : at laaaaaaaaaaaaaast
[11:40] <heimdall> yeaaaaaaaaaaah
[11:40] <HappyFool> heh
[11:40] <heimdall> lol
[11:40] <HappyFool> good stuff
[11:40] <LinuxJones> heimdall, what was the problem ?
[11:40] <heimdall> well
[11:41] <heimdall> acpi
[11:41] <exobot> How do you remove things from modprobe again D:
[11:41] <LinuxJones> heimdall, heh
[11:41] <djm62> mcscruff: you can certainly use it...but I'd seriously recommend doing things "the ubuntu way" to make your life easier
[11:41] <heimdall> I type 'e' on grub menu
[11:41] <exobot> modprobe -r?
[11:41] <LinuxJones> exobot, modprobe -r module
[11:41] <heimdall> to edit the boot command
[11:41] <exobot> ty
[11:41] <exobot> weird
[11:41] <heimdall> and then I've added :
[11:41] <heimdall> pci=noacpi
[11:41] <GMAN2003> so whos got a link for noobs like me?
[11:41] <heimdall> and it was okay
[11:41] <exobot> Even after doing that, I still get a unusual error when modprobing it
[11:42] <HappyFool> GMAN2003: wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation, or even just wiki.ubuntu.com
[11:42] <exobot> I get a "could not open /lib/blahblahblah/ndiswrapper.ko"
[11:42] <heimdall> HappyFool : well it is good news isn't it ??
[11:42] <djm62> mcscruff: manually downloading .debs is a bit retro for an electro-freak like yourself
[11:42] <exobot> even after sudo modprobe -r ndiswrapper
[11:42] <HappyFool> heimdall: very ;)
[11:42] <LinuxJones> exobot, did you run depmod -aE
[11:42] <Cooner750> anybody know of disk partitioning software for linux? (Ubuntu?)
[11:42] <heimdall> HappyFool : well now 2 more things
[11:42] <lsuactiafner> likkashot : lspci | grep -i eth
[11:42] <djm62> Cooner750: gparted, qparted
[11:42] <bionic> anyone know how to make evolution check mails on startup?
[11:42] <lsuactiafner> see if you got two cards detected
[11:42] <synd_> Cooner750: ubuntuguide.com talks about gparted.
[11:42] <Nern> hey
[11:42] <heimdall> 1) update the grub command (maybe there's a way to do this in the graphic mode ?
[11:42] <LathropWells> cooner - gparted or better qtparted or plain 'ol fdisk.
[11:43] <heimdall> 2) find the drivers for my WINmodem :(
[11:43] <synd_> Cooner750: .org i mean
[11:43] <jasmuz> has anyone been able to load a pencam as USB storage?
[11:43] <Cooner750> synd_; I know :)
[11:43] <heimdall> in order to be able to connect to the web with linux :/
[11:43] <Nern> im doing the server install and i need to know the meta packages to apt-get install X and xfce
[11:43] <HappyFool> heimdall: what modem do you have?
[11:43] <Cooner750> I remember using it last night (stupid audio)
[11:43] <Nern> XFCE is xfce4 i believe
[11:43] <lsuactiafner> heimdall : you do not need graphics to do something.. ncurses text > all and most compatable
[11:43] <Nern> but what is the package for xorg
[11:43] <djm62> Nern: xfce4 will depend on x
[11:43] <heimdall> lsuactiafner : yeah yeah sure ;)
[11:43] <djm62> Nern: so just install that
[11:44] <heimdall> HappyFool : I was just checking...
[11:44] <mcscruff> dju62: i like it because i can let it install debs without needing to check for libs etc
[11:44] <LathropWells> Cooner750 - you can easily install any disk software using synaptic / kynaptic (KDE)
[11:44] <exobot> Hmph, now I'm even further away than I was when I started :o
[11:44] <Nern> djm62: YES... thats what I was thinking too
[11:44] <heimdall> HappyFool : smart link 56k modem
[11:44] <HappyFool> heimdall: really?
[11:44] <HappyFool> heimdall: ubuntu apparently comes with some support for that
[11:44] <jasmuz> has anyone been able to load a pencam as USB storage?
[11:45] <HappyFool> heimdall: the 'sl-modem' packages
[11:45] <steob> anyone managed to get an AC'97 sound card workin on Hoare?
[11:45] <heimdall> HappyFool : what ? I tried to detect the modem automatically
[11:45] <heimdall> and it didn't mange
[11:45] <heimdall> manage
[11:45] <HappyFool> heimdall: i think you might still need to download a few packages... just a moment
[11:45] <djm62> mcscruff: the checks are there for a reason...you are free to do other stuff, but it will make your life more difficult, and impossible for people to assist you if (when) there's trouble
[11:45] <jasmuz> steob, what kernel are you running?
[11:45] <synd_> steob: mine worked out of box
[11:46] <jasmuz> mine did too
[11:46] <heimdall> HappyFool : sure I agree.... but... I'll have to share a partition with linux
[11:46] <LathropWells> Nern - you can reinstall the desktop if it's munged using synaptic "ubuntu-desktop" or "kubuntu-desktop"
[11:46] <mcscruff> dju64 , its kvirc it comes in 2 parts, and you need both but i cant install 1 coz it needs the other
[11:46] <gorthaug> i've a problem... i've been reinstalled ubuntu hoary and i've trying to reinstall the ut2004 linux demo... The probles is that in my other installation of ubuntu when i run the ut2004 installation script it's appear a wizard... but now don't appear the wizard... i need to install some packages??
[11:46] <heimdall> HappyFool : cause of course I can only download with windows :)
[11:46] <HappyFool> heimdall: that's not a problem really, unless you need to resize a partition
[11:46] <heimdall> no
[11:47] <Nern> OOOH
[11:47] <Nern> also
[11:47] <Nern> is there an XFCE desktop manager
[11:47] <heimdall> I already made a 10Gb fat32 partition in order to be compatible both with my linux and my windows
[11:47] <Nern> so i dont have to use kdm or gdm
[11:47] <jasmuz> gorthaug, run from a gterm and see if it says any error
[11:47] <steob> jasmuz, latest
[11:47] <heimdall> I just need ot mount it I suppose
[11:47] <steob> synd, is there anyway I could copy your config (for the Ac'97)?
[11:47] <synd_> steob: have you done the soundfix found on ubuntuguide.org
[11:48] <jasmuz> steob, did you check the ubuntuforums for some troubleshoot...because mine runned out of the box
[11:48] <steob> synd,  if thats the one that recommends installing the ALSA stuff, yeah
[11:48] <LathropWells> heimdall - use the optimized defragmentaion option in system mechanic to move all windows files on a disk together. That should give yu more space with the disk resize
[11:48] <steob> I now get a squeal instead of nothing !
[11:48] <synd_> steob: hm
[11:48] <jasmuz> synd hey man
[11:48] <synd_> jasmuz: yes?
[11:48] <HappyFool> heimdall: you need these: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=sl-modem&searchon=names&subword=1&version=hoary&release=all
[11:49] <LathropWells> heimdall - "System Mechanic" is a free trial with full functionality.
[11:49] <heimdall> LathropWells : ok, actually there are already many files on my partition, that I can't remove nor save elsewhere for the moment, but thanks I note
[11:49] <gorthaug> jasumz when i run it in a terminal appear a "text" installer... but... why don't appear now the "graphic" wizard?
[11:49] <HappyFool> heimdall: unfortunately you may need to do a bit of compiling and tweaking
[11:49] <steob> I got a tosh satellite a60
[11:49] <Cooner750> how do I resize a partition with gparted?
[11:49] <djm62> mcscruff: I get 4 kvirc packages in "universe"
[11:50] <lukus001> https://jsecom16c.sun.com/ECom/EComActionServlet/LegalPage:~:com.sun.sunit.sdlc.content.LegalWebPageInfo;jsessionid=B486B571D1B9C4CB35518F2CACFBDE77;jsessionid=B486B571D1B9C4CB35518F2CACFBDE77                     do i download both linux one or both?
[11:50] <jasmuz> gorthaug, i have no idea....mine hasnt given me problems neither on warty or hoary
[11:50] <mcscruff> why aint i :S
[11:50] <Cooner750> On a external HD. I can see the HD but the partition menu is greyed out
[11:50] <steob> I think ubuntu is great but g/f aint havin it cos her MP3's don't play!
[11:50] <djm62> mcscruff: you might need to enable some extra repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:50] <heimdall> HappyFool : hum... as soon as it is not too hard to compile I can try... :/
[11:50] <HappyFool> heimdall: hrm
[11:50] <steob> I dont wanna go back to Win
[11:50] <djm62> mcscruff: this is on the wiki, hang on I'll dig it out
[11:50] <heimdall> I'm not, as you can guess, very used to those things
[11:50] <HappyFool> heimdall: i installed all of this cos i thought it might support my modem
[11:50] <LathropWells> heimdall - an external usb/firewire case is under $50 and makes good use of an old internal drive.
[11:50] <heimdall> I only compile MY little programms :)
[11:51] <HappyFool> heimdall: but don't remember the details
[11:51] <WeirdAl> Hi everyone
[11:51] <WeirdAl> My laptop was turned off when I got home and my dad swears blind it wasn't him...
[11:51] <WeirdAl> Is there a way of finding out what was happening before it shut down?
[11:51] <WeirdAl> Actually, new question...
[11:51] <HappyFool> lukus001: at a guess, the second one is for non-english languages
[11:51] <steob> ask yer dad?
[11:51] <heimdall> HappyFool : ... I'm not following you anymore.. :(
[11:51] <WeirdAl> If you press the off button while the screen is password locked, will it still shut down?
[11:51] <HappyFool> heimdall: sorry, you need to install sl-modem-daemon and sl-modem-source
[11:52] <WeirdAl> Dad won't know, he said there was a password and so he just unplugged the net.
[11:52] <HappyFool> heimdall: i *think* sl-modem-source has a howto. let me quickly install it and see..
[11:52] <jasmuz> WeirdAl, yep
[11:52] <heimdall> HappyFool : oh oki...
[11:52] <WeirdAl> aah, I'll see if he did that
[11:52] <heimdall> HappyFool : is it not possible to find some executable files somewhere ?
[11:53] <heimdall> HappyFool : I know this is not in the "linux spirit"... :)
[11:53] <steob> ok I'm going to have to install Win XP alongside this Ubuntu - any suggestions on how to do this without re-installin Ubuntu?
[11:53] <Prawntasm> Would someone help me set up my ethernet connection? It works on a Knoppix cd, but I get no DHCPOFFERs in my Ubuntu installation
[11:53] <HappyFool> heimdall: no, i think there's some legal/licensing issues (must be, otherwise it would be in compiled form)
[11:53] <synd_> steob: its suggested that Win is installed first.
[11:53] <jasmuz> steob,  why the heck are you going back to Win?
[11:53] <synd_> steob: then ubuntu
[11:54] <heimdall> HappyFool : ah ok....
[11:54] <Cooner750> anybody?
[11:54] <exobot> jasmuz since wireless works there D:
[11:54] <WeirdAl> No, he didn't do that.
[11:54] <steob> cos I can't get sound to work!
[11:54] <HappyFool> heimdall: doesn't look *too* hard
[11:54] <djm62> mcscruff: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:54] <Cooner750> How do I resize partitions in gparted?
[11:54] <heimdall> HappyFool : sounds like it is not just a 'make' to do :/ am I right ?
[11:54] <djm62> mcscruff: sorry that took a while
[11:54] <HappyFool> heimdall: not too much more
[11:54] <WeirdAl> When I turned my laptop back on I got an error screen that didn't seem to have an error on it, but it was asking if I wanted to load defaults from CMOS
[11:54] <heimdall> :)
[11:54] <WeirdAl> So I'd kinda like to know what happened to my PC before it shut down.
[11:54] <HappyFool> heimdall: but you will need to install the 'kernel-package' package as well
[11:54] <heimdall> little things to configure before I suppose ?
[11:55] <LathropWells> heimdall - you can use the graphical find tool on the taskbar under places or the command line  slocate <file_name> = spam find --regex <file_name>
[11:55] <HappyFool> heimdall: no, not really
[11:55] <carlos_> :(
[11:55] <mcscruff> dj , np, i get 1 kvirc but its too old
[11:56] <heimdall> HappyFool : what is this kernel-package ?
[11:56] <lukus001> if /var/install/ doesnt exist do i just create it?
[11:56] <Cooner750> is there anyway I can save my settings in ubuntu
[11:56] <Cooner750> ?
[11:56] <djm62> mcscruff: after you've enabled the repos?
[11:56] <synd_> Cooner750: save seesion upon logout.
[11:56] <HappyFool> heimdall: i'm not completely certain, but it looks like a way to create kernel-related packages
[11:56] <Cooner750> what does that do when I use a live cd?
[11:57] <HappyFool> heimdall: it's not on the cd, so you'll need to download it too
[11:57] <synd_> Cooner750: um
[11:57] <Cooner750> I'd like to save it to my FAT32 external HD
[11:57] <LathropWells> heimdall - ubuntu uses "linux" in place of "kernel" synaptic can easily find them.
[11:57] <theotheo> Can't get totemplayer apt-get install mplayer
[11:57] <mcscruff> dj, yes
[11:57] <HappyFool> heimdall: use packages.ubuntu.com to find the 'correct' version for hoary
[11:57] <Cooner750> I know you could in slax... :(
[11:57] <heimdall> HappyFool : no pb as soon as it is not too heavy (56k :))
[11:57] <exobot> WORK, I COMMAND YOU NDISWRAPPER!
[11:57] <HappyFool> heimdall: i.e., search for 'kernel-package' there
[11:57] <djm62> mcscruff: I get four at version <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:57] <synd_> Cooner750: beyond my level.. i dont mess with live cds.
[11:57] <HappyFool> heimdall: yeah, me too ;)
[11:57] <HappyFool> heimdall: none of these are too big, i don't think
[11:57] <heimdall> HappyFool : oh ?
[11:58] <pfp> Cooner750: you could mount the fat32, then tar your home dir there (if it's personal settings you need, not system- )
[11:58] <synd_> exobot: are the other things in System > Prefs > Networking disabled/unconfigured?
[11:58] <exobot> er, wtf, my comp has locked up...
[11:58] <heimdall> HappyFool : I'm suprised... I thought I was the only one still in the middle age of the internet :)
[11:58] <HappyFool> heimdall: you'll need to install stuff from the cd though -- including 'build-essential' and 'linux-headers-386'
[11:58] <exobot> mouse hasa + with a border on the top and left
[11:58] <mcscruff> dj, that is an old version, current stable is 3.2.0
[11:58] <HappyFool> heimdall: we have a telecommunications monopoly here in sa. DSL is expensive and crippled.
[11:58] <exobot> argh
[11:58] <Cooner750> pfp: how could I go about tarring it?
[11:58] <exobot> Something in firefox
[11:59] <lukus001> happyfool: i'm on this site saying to download a linux build to /var/instal/... but the /install/ part doesnt exisit and i cant creat a folder in var
[11:59] <HappyFool> lukus001: try 'sudo mkdir /var/install'
[11:59] <lukus001> ty
[11:59] <pfp> Cooner750: tar -C ~ -czpf /mnt/fatdisk/homedir.tar.gz .
[11:59] <exobot> synd_, yes
[11:59] <HappyFool> heimdall: anyway, download the sl-modem-daemon, sl-modem-source and kernel-package packages from package.ubuntu.com
[12:00] <pfp> Cooner750: (note the final dot)


[00:04] <RUTT> Hello xubuntu friends!
[00:07] <RUTT> I am trying to see if my parents can handle basic web browsing / word processing via xubuntu instead of buying a new pc with a new windows version every few years.
[00:07] <RUTT> So hopefully I can send them here instead of them calling me for support
[00:09] <RUTT> As you all seem to be a vocal bunch, I'm sure they will have no problem getting help and support here!
[00:13] <krytarik> Yeeep!
[01:51] <Spass> hopefully his parents will be more patient
[03:53] <flocculant> depends where they learnt about patience ;)
[06:39] <crocus-bcn> Bon dia des de Barcelona -- Good morning from Barcelona.
[07:09] <fiet> Good Morning back to you, from about 2000 km north of you.
[08:03] <xubuntu36w> I am preparing to upgrade to 18.04 but can't find instructions for how to create a bootable USB. Where are those instructions?
[08:03] <diogenes_> xubuntu36w, upgrading doesn't require usb, re-installation requires it.
[08:04] <xubuntu36w> I am preparing to re-install, yes. From what I have heard, it's better than upgrading.
[08:05] <diogenes_> yes, absolutely
[08:05] <diogenes_> then, download the iso, use etcher to write the iso to usb
[08:08] <pmjdebruijn> sudo dd if=my.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=1M :D
[08:08] <pmjdebruijn> just be very very very careful in selecting /dev/sdX :D
[08:09] <diogenes_> i'd advice new users to stay away from that
[08:09] <diogenes_> only after they get more experienced
[08:09] <xubuntu36w> Yes, OK. I'm not a new user.
[08:18] <xubuntu36w> I seem to remember that it was necessary to set some boot parameters on the USB stick and therefore we had programs like unetbootin to handle that.
[08:19] <xubuntu36w> Whatever the case is, I would expect to find a section of the Xubuntu documentation about this topic
[08:21] <xubuntu36w> Nobody thinks along those lines here, I see. You're all computer geeks?
[08:26] <pmjdebruijn> boot parameters?
[08:26] <pmjdebruijn> unetbootin was never required
[08:27] <pmjdebruijn> maybe you mean syslinux
[08:27] <pmjdebruijn> that's only true if you want it on vfat or whatever
[08:30] <diogenes_> A better thing to me is not to re-write the usb over and over again but just to make a multiboot one where you can store the isos and add grub menu entries for them, when a new iso comes out, you just delete the old one and replace with the new one, also you can keep as many different distros on the same skick as you want.
[08:30] <diogenes_> s/skick/stick
[12:46] <sadsagfjg> Hey all, I have problem after installing xubuntu, I cant install any program
[12:47] <sadsagfjg> https://thepasteb.in/p/nZhl18xmgXXsY
[12:47] <diogenes_> sadsagfjg, did you reboot?
[12:47] <sadsagfjg> diogenes_:  no :(
[12:47] <diogenes_> then go ahead and reboot then come again
[12:47] <sadsagfjg> ok man
[12:51] <sadsagfjg> Now i rebooted but i have another error :/
[12:51] <diogenes_> which is?
[12:51] <sadsagfjg> after this command :
[12:52] <sadsagfjg> https://thepasteb.in/p/3lh7PnxVx4Zh1
[12:52] <sadsagfjg> I think my source link wrong
[12:53] <sadsagfjg> :(
[12:53] <diogenes_> sadsagfjg, run this: sudo apt update
[12:53] <diogenes_> after that run: sudo apt install vlc
[12:53] <sadsagfjg> w8
[12:57] <sadsagfjg> diogenes_:  thanks man, Do you have a link for necesary command in GNU/Linux >
[12:57] <sadsagfjg> ?
[12:58] <diogenes_> sadsagfjg, necessary for what?
[12:58] <sadsagfjg> for normal life in GNU/Linux
[12:58] <sadsagfjg> :)
[12:58] <sadsagfjg> for example installing and some
[12:58] <sadsagfjg> normal; work
[12:59] <diogenes_> sadsagfjg, this the the guide (linux bible) that you should start with: https://www.tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/
[12:59] <sadsagfjg> diogenes_:  oh wtf, Now i have again erro on end of installing
[12:59] <diogenes_> which is?
[13:00] <sadsagfjg> https://thepasteb.in/p/zmh8y5ngBXnsZ
[13:01] <diogenes_> runŞ sudo apt update once again
[13:01] <sadsagfjg> runŞ what?
[13:01] <diogenes_> i mean run: sudo apt update
[13:01] <diogenes_> again
[13:01] <sadsagfjg> i did
[13:01] <sadsagfjg> again
[13:02] <diogenes_> same error?
[13:02] <sadsagfjg> w8
[13:03] <sadsagfjg> so setting up now
[13:03] <sadsagfjg> now done thanks diogenes_
[13:03] <diogenes_> yw
[13:04] <sadsagfjg> diogenes_:  you installing with apitude or apt-get?
[13:06] <diogenes_> sadsagfjg, only apt install no aptitude or apt-get
[13:06] <sadsagfjg> diogenes_: How?
[13:08] <diogenes_> sadsagfjg, you have to install/remove or doing other similar operations only with "apt" command, e.g apt install, apt remove, don't use neither aptitude nor apt-get.
[13:08] <diogenes_> that will save you form troubles.
[13:08] <sadsagfjg> why and how?
[13:09] <diogenes_> sadsagfjg, here: https://itsfoss.com/apt-vs-apt-get-difference/
[13:10] <sadsagfjg> nicre
[13:15] <xubuntu64w> hi. I've just installed xubuntu android-x86_64-7.1-r2. After Update  and restart are alle menu lines and diappeared
[13:18] <xubuntu64w> all menues and shortcuts disappeared
[13:18] <sadsagfjg> diogenes_:  man which IDE is good for python in xubuntu?
[13:19] <diogenes_> sadsagfjg, they are not specific for xubuntu, you could try eclipse, atom.
[13:19] <diogenes_> Anjuta
[13:20] <sadsagfjg> I want  good IDE for fast run
[13:21] <sadsagfjg> for example if i press f5 the code is run
[13:21] <sadsagfjg> :)
[13:21] <sadsagfjg> diogenes_:
[13:36] <sadsagfjg> which IDE is good for python in xubuntu?
[13:37] <sadsagfjg> I want when i press some key for example f5 then my code run


[02:24] <ted> So, multi-arch question. How do I find out the arch I'm installing for in postinst ?
[02:24] <ted> I want to set one of my binaries to be setuid, but I don't know where it is.
[04:58] <pitti> Good morning
[06:59] <LocutusOfBorg1> Riddell, I honestly don't even remember :
[07:01] <LocutusOfBorg1> some patches were dropped and some new patches more robust are used instead
[07:01] <LocutusOfBorg1> but I agree that now we are too late in the release cycle
[07:10] <pitti> mlankhorst: since yesterday https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/utopic-adt-ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/237/ARCH=i386,label=adt/console consistently crashes again, this seems to coincide with moving to llvm 3.5?
[07:10] <mlankhorst> huh weird
[07:10] <mlankhorst> I tested it locally on i386
[07:11] <mlankhorst> but yes seems to be the same bug
[07:11] <mlankhorst> I'm pretty sure I did run that test manually, and also tested a full piglit run
[07:13] <mlankhorst> hm seems to have been on my macbookpro
[07:13] <mlankhorst> I'll try my other laptops, see what cpu extensions are needed to trigger it
[07:13] <mlankhorst> doko_: ping?
[07:16] <mlankhorst> doko_: do we have anyone working on llvm?
[07:17] <pitti> mlankhorst: it only seems to happen on i386, amd64 works
[07:17] <pitti> mlankhorst: that's a run in trusty's QEMU, FTR
[07:18] <mlankhorst> yeah
[07:27] <mlankhorst> hm my oldest laptop is unaffected
[07:28] <ara> cjwatson, hello! I know it is not your SRU duty today, but I have been pinging other SRU members lately without luck :(
[07:28] <ara> cjwatson, we have been waiting for 3 weeks for these uploads to move to precise-proposed: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=fglrx
[07:28] <ara> cjwatson, and it solves a critical issue with fglrx in 12.04.5 affecting many systems
[07:29] <ara> cjwatson, I would appreciate if you could have a look to it
[07:42] <mlankhorst> pitti: yeah, I only seem to hit it in qemu now
[08:36] <seb128> cjwatson, hey, https://code.launchpad.net/~tj/ubuntu/trusty/grub-installer/lp1354730/+merge/230222 is in the sponsoring queue for a while, do you think you could have a look?
[08:37] <seb128> Riddell, hey, do you think you could have a look to https://code.launchpad.net/~filip-sohajek/ubuntu/utopic/kile/fix-for-1360709/+merge/232247 ?
[08:44] <Riddell> seb128: gotcha
[08:49] <doko_> mlankhorst, no
[08:50] <seb128> Riddell, thanks
[08:51] <jodh> pitti: hi - I noticed the upstart upload. Please could you sync your changes to the bzr branch (there will be a changelog conflict I think as I'd prepared a change :)
[08:52] <pitti> jodh: whoops, sorry; doing
[08:53] <jodh> pitti: np, thanks.
[08:54] <pitti> jodh: should I push --overwrite for clean history, or just commit on top?
[08:55] <mlankhorst> doko: I'm just guessing, but it seems that from the information that llvm generates some invalid code based on arch
[08:55] <jodh> pitti: could you recommit once the conflict is resolved so that my changes are still pending?
[08:56] <pitti> jodh: yes, sure
[08:56] <pitti> jodh: I mean if you would mind bzr pull --overwrite, for clean history
[08:56] <pitti> jodh: or whether I should commit on top (clean pull, but wrong history)
[08:57] <jodh> pitti: oh - I guess overwrite should be ok as long as your branch was only 1 commit behind the ubuntu one?
[09:00] <pitti> jodh: done; please bzr pull --overwrite
[09:00] <jodh> pitti: thanks
[09:14] <pitti> mlankhorst: we already had that error before and reverted LLVM back to 3.4 due to it; why did it come back now?
[09:16] <mlankhorst> no idea, don't completely understand what is going on
[09:22] <mlankhorst> pitti: hey how do I pass -cpu host for qemu to adt-run?
[09:23] <pitti> mlankhorst: you can do adt-run ... --- qemu --qemu-options "-x -y -z" your_image
[09:23] <pitti> mlankhorst: however, I never did that; using an i386 image is enough to reproduce it
[09:24] <mlankhorst> doesn't work for -cpu host
[09:26] <pitti> mlankhorst: ah sorry, option parser quirk: --qemu-options="-x -y -z"
[09:26] <pitti> e. g. qemu --qemu-options='-cpu Opteron_G4' adt-utopic-amd64-cloud.img
[09:27] <mlankhorst> ah
[09:31] <cjwatson> ted: $DPKG_MAINTSCRIPT_ARCH
[09:34] <cjwatson> ara: maaaaaybe.  I'm *very* unfamiliar with fglrx and they can be subtle reviews
[09:36] <cjwatson> seb128: will look
[09:37] <seb128> cjwatson, thanks
[09:37] <seb128> mlankhorst, hey, could you review https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-multiseat/xorg-server/trusty-matchseat/+merge/234316 ?
[09:38] <mlankhorst> looks sane
[09:39] <mlankhorst> but needs a sru template
[09:39] <Laney> might be better to type that into the mp ;-)
[09:41] <seb128> yeah, please comment on the merge request
[09:41] <mlankhorst> done
[09:41] <seb128> thanks
[09:41] <seb128> I added https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates as a pointer as well
[09:43] <cjwatson> pitti: please can you remember to copy to 14.09-proposed rather than to 14.09?
[09:44] <cjwatson> slangasek: you too :)  if you need to force something past proposed-migration, there are hints for that
[09:57] <pitti> cjwatson: I thought I did -- what did I do wrong this time?
[09:57] <pitti> cjwatson: I copied umockdev to -proposed and the langpacks are dput (and thus should land in -proposed automatically)
[09:57] <cjwatson> pitti: probably left out --to-suite=14.09-proposed for cgmanager
[09:57] <pitti> $ copy-package -y --from ubuntu -s utopic --to ubuntu-rtm --to-suite 14.09-proposed umockdev
[09:58] <pitti> cjwatson: oh, that must have been ages ago, before your first warning
[09:58] <cjwatson> pitti: yeah I think your recent uploads are fine - ogra was citing you as an authority for it being OK to copy things directly to 14.09 :)
[09:58] <cjwatson> ah yes it was ages ago, sorry for the noise
[09:58] <pitti> cjwatson: no worries :)
[09:58] <pitti> yeah, it definitively makes sense to go via -proposed
[10:19] <mlankhorst> doko / infinity: I found a small testcase to reproduce the issue, https://mblankhorst.nl/etc/llvmpipe.bc -- compile with llc-3.5 -o - llvmpipe.bc . works with llvm:amd64, fails with llvm:i386
[10:20] <mlankhorst> llc-3.4 works on i386
[11:02] <Mirv> mlankhorst: "LLVM ERROR: Do not know how to split the result of this operator!" bug #1360241 would look like being back https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Utopic/view/AutoPkgTest/job/utopic-adt-ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/lastBuild/ARCH=i386,label=adt/console
[11:03] <Mirv> and that failing prevents qtbase from moving to -release pocket
[11:04] <Mirv> oh, funny, repeating also the fact that it'd look like being discussed already here
[11:06] <doko> mlankhorst, can you reproduce this with unstable? and if yes, file a bug report?
[11:06] <doko> and mention this is a regression
[11:12] <mlankhorst> sec
[11:13] <mlankhorst> doko: yeah happens there too, but i'm bisecting now
[11:13] <mlankhorst> lot easier now that my testcase no longer involves mesa
[11:18] <ockham> do any packages share packaging with debian though they are named differently there? like e.g. firfox/iceweasel, or thunderbird/icedove? or is packaging completely independent from debian in those cases?
[11:20] <maxb> Just look at the packagings you're interested in and compare them?
[11:27] <ockham> those examples i gave don't seem to share packaging. are there possibly any other ones?
[11:38] <mlankhorst> why is it important to you?
[11:53] <pitti> jodh: ah, new systemd with fixed ifup@ just made it into utopic
[11:54] <jodh> pitti: nice :)
[11:57] <pitti> Mirv: you should ask the release team to ignore the failure to promote qtbase-opensource-src ; it's quite clearly a regression in llvm, not in qtbase
[12:01] <pitti> zul: did you see the FTBFS of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-swiftclient/1:2.3.0-0ubuntu1 ?
[12:01] <zul> pitti:  yeah havent gotten to it yet
[12:04] <pitti> cjwatson: I think you synced https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/celery/3.1.12-2, which is depwaiting on python3-kombu; i. e. we need to merge the new kombu from sid (or perhaps sync, didn't check yet); are you on it, or should I give a hand?
[12:04] <pitti> (trying to clean up -proposed a bit)
[12:05] <ahasenack> hi guys, I had this error in a package build on launchpad:
[12:05] <ahasenack> fr: /build/buildd/qemu-2.0.0+dfsg/tcg/tcg.c:1693: tcg fatal error
[12:05] <ahasenack> any clues? I'm *not* building qemu :)
[12:05] <ahasenack> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/186090122/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-armhf.landscape-client_14.08%2Bbzr788-0ubuntu0~ubuntu14.04.1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[12:05] <ahasenack> scroll to the bottom
[12:05] <ahasenack> same for arm64
[12:06] <ahasenack> well, sort of same, I'm not sure what happened here: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/186090111/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-arm64.landscape-client_14.08%2Bbzr788-0ubuntu0~ubuntu14.04.1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[12:06] <ahasenack> but it's also in the i18n section
[12:08] <ahasenack> transient error?
[12:18] <cjwatson> pitti: 2014-09-17.log:17:17 <cjwatson> jamespage: would you mind merging kombu?  needed for new celery version I synced into -proposed, which in turn is needed to fix a build failure
[12:18] <cjwatson> 2014-09-17.log:17:20 <jamespage> cjwatson, yes ok
[12:18] <pitti> cjwatson: ah, thanks
[12:18] <jamespage> cjwatson, ok so I suck
[12:18] <pitti> jamespage: are you still on it, or do you need a hand?
[12:18] <jamespage> sorry - I'll get to it today
[12:18] <pitti> jamespage: ack, thanks
[12:19] <cjwatson> ahasenack: threads involved on your end?
[12:19] <ahasenack> cjwatson: it's just a build, and it worked on utopic and precise
[12:19] <cjwatson> ahasenack: anyway you're basically screwed for the moment.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-buildd/+bug/1350435
[12:20] <cjwatson> ahasenack: you might get lucky on a retry
[12:20] <ahasenack> cjwatson: that seems to be it, thanks
[12:20] <cjwatson> ahasenack: or you can see if you can dig into that bug any more, if you have some time ...
[12:24] <Mirv> pitti: ok
[12:27] <jamespage> cjwatson, pitti: merged, tested and uploaded
[12:27] <jamespage> apologies for the lag
[12:27] <jamespage> ...
[12:27] <pitti> jamespage: wow, that was fast; thanks :)
[12:28] <pitti> jamespage: and, FWIW, yay py3 :)
[12:28] <jamespage> pitti, indeed - I noticed that's been done now which is good
[12:28] <jamespage> maybe openstack on py3 for 16.04 ? well you never know
[12:35] <ockham> mlankhorst: mostly because of https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/545778 as there are icowl-i10n-* packages in debian, and i wondered if they could just be modified in debian to also cater for ubuntu
[12:36] <mlankhorst> I think that would be possible even with different packaging
[13:31] <chrisccoulson> pitti, are you around?
[13:32] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I am
[13:34] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti! So, I keep getting asked why renderer crashes in our browser don't get processed by apport. it turns out that it's because we hit this code path: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apport-hackers/apport/trunk/view/head:/data/apport#L276
[13:34] <chrisccoulson> renderer's have their own PID namespace, but the sandbox also chroot's to /proc/self (so there's no apport)
[13:35] <cjwatson> infinity: Can I upload http://paste.ubuntu.com/8466066/ to glibc?  It fixes the phone x86 emulator, which has just gone over the global dlopen limit in question.
[13:35] <chrisccoulson> is there any way we can fix this? :)
[13:38] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I don't have a quick answer/idea about this, I'm afraid; this code path is for containers, it doesn't handle this kind of mini-chroot/namespace yet
[13:39] <pitti> chrisccoulson: if there's a way to tell this apart from a real chroot or container, we can certainly fix it; but we don't want to try and build reports from containers/chroots without apport
[13:45] <chrisccoulson> pitti, I'm not sure of the best way to tell it apart from a real container. It has no /sbin/init, if that helps
[13:45] <infinity> cjwatson: Did Carlos commit that upstream?
[13:45]  * infinity looks.
[13:46] <pitti> chrisccoulson: chroots don't need to have /sbin/init either
[13:47] <infinity> cjwatson: He sure didn't.  Grr.  Anyhow, if that's blocking you Right Now, go ahead, otherwise I can queue it up for my next upload.
[13:48] <mlankhorst> infinity: almost done bisecting the llvm issue
[13:56] <chrisccoulson> pitti, actually, the /proc/$pid/root symlink in left dangling in these processes. Perhaps you could use that?
[13:59] <pitti> chrisccoulson: possibly; I think stgraber might have an idea, he's rather familiar with namespaces
[14:16] <slangasek> cjwatson: mm? what did I copy to to 14.09 instead of 14.09-proposed?
[14:18] <slangasek> ah, ubuntu-touch-meta... sorry about that
[14:25] <mlankhorst> infinity: for the love of god.. I think I found it..
[14:25] <mlankhorst> $ llc-3.4 -march=x86 -mcpu=generic ../../llvmpipe.bc -o -
[14:25] <mlankhorst>         .file   "../../llvmpipe.bc"
[14:25] <mlankhorst> LLVM ERROR: Do not know how to split the result of this operator!
[14:26] <mlankhorst> bisect seems to point towards removal of cpu features detection..
[14:26] <mlankhorst> and confirmed it by setting -mcpu=generic
[14:26] <mlankhorst> on llvm-3.4
[14:27] <mlankhorst> so the fix is setting the cpu to native in llvmpipe
[14:28] <mlankhorst> no idea how yet, but meh
[14:29] <cjwatson> infinity: Right, the emulator not working is a pretty terrible blocker, so I've gone ahead and uploaded; thanks
[14:36] <mlankhorst> infinity: I'm pretty sure llvm commit 6bb00df864ea4e2f74f47c088b65baaff962cca5 is the reason why llvmpipe is now failing on qemu
[14:36] <mlankhorst> aka https://llvm.org/svn/llvm-project/llvm/trunk@206094
[14:37] <mlankhorst> and this is also why llvmpipe is only failing on qemu, because it compares the vendor strings, which is only changed if you use -cpu qemu32
[14:43] <mlankhorst> I'll see if I can make a hack for it to revert
[14:50] <infinity> mlankhorst: That's a 404.
[14:50] <infinity> mlankhorst: But this is also why I never use qemu with the silly "QEMU CPU" thing, but instead emulate a Core2 or something.
[14:50] <infinity> mlankhorst: This isn't the first bit of software that checks the cpuid registers for AuthenticAMD or GenuineIntel.
[14:51] <infinity> *cough*glibc*cough*
[15:07] <pitti> jamespage: erk -- https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kombu/3.0.21-2ubuntu1/+build/6421574
[15:08] <pitti> jamespage: oh, that's just a binary promotion to main, doing now
[15:08] <jamespage> pitti, oh - that looks lie a binary promotion
[15:08] <jamespage> pitti, snap!
[15:08] <jamespage> thanks
[15:17] <mlankhorst> pitti: can you emulate something saner?
[15:19] <mlankhorst> else I'll probably hack the autodetection crap back into llvm
[15:19] <mlankhorst> doko: ^
[15:20] <pitti> mlankhorst: define "something saner"? i. e. which cpu?
[15:21] <pitti> mlankhorst: yeah, not a big problem to change it
[15:22] <mlankhorst> infinity: what's minimum for ubuntu, coreduo or something?
[15:22] <mlankhorst> anyway I'll try to fix llvm tomorrow morning :)
[15:25] <pitti> mlankhorst: so, just tell me the -cpu I should be using
[15:25]  * pitti needs to leave now, guest arrived
[15:28] <mlankhorst> coreduo or something? just a temporary workaround, I'll try to fix the real thing tomorrow
[15:31] <pitti> mlankhorst: ack
[15:32] <mlankhorst> do you have a bug for tracking?
[15:35] <rbasak> barry: around? Are you the right person to ask for help with dh_python2?
[15:35] <rbasak> I'm not sure if I'm hitting a bug, or whether I'm using it wrong.
[15:35] <barry> rbasak: possibly :)
[15:35] <infinity> mlankhorst: Minimum for i386 is i686 w/ cmov.
[15:35] <rbasak> I end p with a successful run but failure with the generated postinst/prerm
[15:36] <barry> i mean, i'm definitely around :)
[15:36] <rbasak> It's a bit of a special case. A package that ships Python stuff in /usr/lib/<package> but nothing else.
[15:36] <infinity> mlankhorst: So, basically, Pentium Pro.
[15:36] <rbasak> So we want to byte-compile them on postinst, that's all.
[15:37] <barry> rbasak: hmm, interesting
[15:37] <rbasak> I end up with "pycompile -p  /usr/lib/<package> -V 2.7" in the postinst, which makes no sense.
[15:37] <rbasak> (and that fails)
[15:37] <rbasak> AFAICT, I need to not have the -p in this case, but the -p is part of the template that dh_python2 uses.
[15:38] <rbasak> The prerm is even worse. "pyclean -p"
[15:38] <rbasak> This is from just:
[15:38] <rbasak> override_dh_python2: dh_python2 --compile-all
[15:38] <rbasak> (with a newline in the middle - paste error)
[15:38] <rbasak> (and a tab. etc)
[15:42] <rbasak> barry: any thoughts? Am I doing something wrong here? For just the byte-compile bit, I'm wondering if it's better to arrange to call pycompile/pyclean directly and ditch dh_python2.
[15:42] <barry> rbasak: sorry, i'm in 2 conversations atm
[15:42] <rbasak> np
[15:43] <barry> rbasak: man dh_python2 seems to say that --compile-all won't pass -p
[15:44] <rbasak> barry: /usr/share/debhelper/autoscripts/postinst-pycompile seems to be where it's coming from.
[15:44] <rbasak> which contains: pycompile -p #PACKAGE# #ARGS#
[15:45] <barry> rbasak: i wonder if this is a bug in dh_python2
[15:45] <barry> rbasak: fwiw, i've never had to do this, so i don't have an immediate answer
[15:46] <rbasak> barry: OK, thanks.
[15:46] <barry> rbasak: i would suggest getting on #debian-python (OFTC) and asking p1otr
[15:46] <rbasak> barry: I wondered if it is because I'm not specifying DIR_OR_FILE (because AIUI it defaults to looking in /usr/lib/<package> which is what I want)
[15:47] <rbasak> But even in that case -p would be forced by the template.
[15:47] <rbasak> OK, I'll hop over to #debian-python - thanks.
[15:47] <barry> rbasak: that's what it looks like, indeed
[15:47]  * barry will keep an eye on that conversation
[15:55] <pitti> stgraber, kees, mdeslaur, slangasek: reminder: TB meeting in 5 mins (infinity sent his apologlies)
[15:55] <mdeslaur> pitti: yep, thanks
[16:02] <pitti> mlankhorst: yay, ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts is back to green; thanks for tracking this down!
[16:05] <mlankhorst> pitti: I will try to fix llvm autodetection tomorrow, but at least it's not urgent any more now :)
[17:05] <bdmurray> dannf: https://code.launchpad.net/~dannf/ubuntu/utopic/flash-kernel/moonshot-updates/+merge/223845 looks merged to me. Is that right?
[17:27] <ahasenack> ad
[18:06] <hallyn> feh.
[18:32] <roaksoax> arges: ping
[18:33] <roaksoax> arges: i've noticed that some SRU bugs that had already been verified were changed from verification-done to verification-needed. I'm guessing this is because there was na upload on top of the original one
[18:33] <roaksoax> arges: however, given that these were already verified, why are they being marked verificaiton-needed again
[18:38] <doko> mvo, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/command-not-found/+bug/1306682
[18:42] <arges> roaksoax: can you point me at a specific bug?
[18:46] <mvo> doko: thanks
[19:01] <roaksoax> arges: e.g. https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1315154
[19:06] <arges> roaksoax: so when you uplaoded the last maas update you must have referenced this old bug, so the script goes through and marks each one referenced as fix commited and asked for verifciation
[19:06] <arges> roaksoax: or whomever uploaded the last maas update
[19:28] <dannf> bdmurray: yeah, it was - thanks for marking it as such
[19:48] <doko> barry, "no longer have an i386 machine on which to test" are you serious?
[19:48] <doko> you can create i386 chroots
[19:48] <barry> doko: yes.  iirc the problem was *not* reproducible in chroots.
[19:49] <barry> i think i had to use a physical 32 bit machine to reproduce it and all my old ones are dead.  but i think i scrounged up a 32 bit laptop.  trying to see if i can get ubuntu installed on it
[19:50] <mapreri> I lack bug supervisor ability, could someone pleas set https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1375445 as whishlist (and in the meantime re-set the status as triadged and tell that wlee753159 user to do not mess with bugs (there are also at least one other bug he touched badly, but I'll deal with it on my own)). TIA
[22:00] <Bluefoxicy> hum
[22:00] <Bluefoxicy> defunct.
[22:00] <Bluefoxicy> 26472 ?        00:00:00 chromium-browse <defunct>
[22:00] <Bluefoxicy> Can someone load up chromium and use the mouse wheel gratuitously on maps.google.com to zoom in and out?
[22:00] <Bluefoxicy> I want to see if anyone can reproduce destroying the browser (or your desktop--save everything, you may need a hard reboot)
[22:01] <bdmurray> slangasek: at one point in time you were working on improvements to whoopsie_upload_all right?
[22:01] <sladen> there is something buggy that happens with OSM when doing that in Friefox
[22:03] <Bluefoxicy> sladen:  my work-around is to use firefox
[23:58] <Noskcaj> Can someone retry python-swiftclient? It's building fine in a chroot locally