[00:37] <robert_ancell> infinity, heh
[07:51] <rbasak> doko: reading your email I'm not sure I follow what you want me to do wrt. regular uploads. Are you saying to hold back on them, or upload them to the landing PPA instead?
[08:00] <doko> rbasak, your choice. however not everything can go straight into the archive (e.g. symbol file changes), so this has to go to the silo, and then you have to keep track of the archive and the ppa for follow-up uploads
[08:04] <dholbach> good morning
[08:21] <seb128> hum, no barry around
[08:21] <seb128> doko, slangasek, do you know if https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python3-defaults/3.4.3-4ubuntu1 is buggy?
[08:22] <seb128> it's in wily-proposed and seems to pull python3.5 in and create build issues
[08:22] <seb128> e.g https://launchpadlibrarian.net/212160353/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-amd64.ubuntu-make_0.9_BUILDING.txt.gz
[08:22] <seb128> does it mean that python3.5 transition is actually started in wily?
[08:23] <doko> seb128, welcome to the barry show. he choose to add it to supported and then go to vacation for two weeks
[08:23] <didrocks> doko: debian/rules is pretty standard, there is nothing forcing to use all python3 versions
[08:23] <seb128> should we revert that change?
[08:23] <didrocks> https://github.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-make/blob/master/debian/rules
[08:25] <doko> seb128, well, could you try to build python3-gi?
[08:26] <seb128> no change rebuild?
[08:26] <doko> yes
[08:26] <doko> and probably it's dependencies
[08:26] <seb128> but then what's next? it means actually starting that transition in the distro?
[08:26] <doko> and maybe set up a transition tracker for it
[08:26] <seb128> where barry email stated he wanted to do that in the ppa
[08:27] <seb128> well he started in a ppa
[08:27] <seb128> we might duplicate work there then
[08:27] <doko> this guy is not a distro guy :-/
[08:28] <doko> looking at this email
[08:35] <doko> seb128, didrocks: could you do the no change upload? I'll try to get some feedback until tonight. and maybe we should set up a transition tracker. is there still an old one available?
[08:35] <doko> Laney, ^^^
[08:35] <seb128> doko, well, we could, but as said isn't that effectively starting the transition which is already being prepared in the ppa?
[08:36] <seb128> in which case I feel like we might waste work redoing things that have been prepared by barry there
[08:36] <didrocks> doko: I'm unsure I want to start the transition before we know if that was intended, I can just change ubuntu-make to dep on python3 instead of python3-all for now instead
[08:37] <didrocks> especially if we start the transition without being prepared, then, everything will start to be blocked
[08:37] <doko> well, it apparently is intended. and creating the tracker doesn't hurt
[08:38] <doko> didrocks, no, adding a supported python version doesn't block anything
[08:38] <didrocks> doko: well, it did block my package for instance here
[08:39] <doko> I have enough to do with GCC 5 currently
[08:41] <didrocks> yeah, so I propose that we don't deal with it, I'm changing my build-dep for now
[08:41] <didrocks> and we don't start a transition nobody's present being able to handle
[08:49] <Laney> doko: like this http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-transition-trackers/ubuntu-transition-tracker/configs/view/head:/monitor/old/python3.3-4.ben ?
[08:49] <Laney> didrocks: if you change X-Python3-Versions it builds BTW
[08:49] <Laney> : 3.4
[08:50] <didrocks> Laney: yeah, but I don't want to force on one particular version
[08:50] <didrocks> Laney: that's just a hassle with each update
[08:51] <didrocks> better to only dep on python3 instead of python3-all (see my upload)
[08:51] <Laney> what does changing the build-dep do?
[08:51] <didrocks> only using the default python3
[08:51] <Laney> then you have to do something when it changes default?
[08:51] <doko> Laney, yes, this one. no, has to be -all
[08:51] <didrocks> there is no (for now) C python module built
[08:51] <didrocks> Laney: just a rebuild to change the dep
[08:51] <didrocks> (a non change rebuild)
[08:55] <Laney> doko: What do you mean by "has to be -all"?
[08:55] <Laney> doko: do you mean in is_affected?
[08:58] <Laney> there's also http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-transition-trackers/ubuntu-transition-tracker/configs/view/head:/monitor/old/python3.4_all_dev.ben
[09:02] <doko> Laney, yes this is the one I want
[09:02] <doko> the first step
[09:02] <Laney> do you want to create a branch that I can merge?
[10:06] <dholbach> If you can: please help with reviewing/sponsoring: http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/
[10:20] <hjd> From reading https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-November/036106.html it looks like the armel architecture was removed in raring. So I guess that means that bug 635390 could be resolved as won't fix as suggested in the comment. (The package was removed completely for a couple of releases, and when it was reintroduced in trusty it seems to have built successfully on all architectures)
[10:30] <cjwatson> hjd: done
[10:32] <hjd> cjwatson: Thanks :)
[10:52] <doko> mvo, python-apt is broken with your new apt upload to the landing 16 ppa, please could you have a look?
[11:22] <mdeslaur> @pilot in
[11:33] <roaksoax> /win/win 3
[13:28] <hallyn> mbiebl: hi, is 'dh_installinit --no-restart-on-upgrade' supposed to work right with systemd?
[13:29] <hallyn> (the lxc systemd script is being called on package reinstall)
[13:49] <hallyn> stgraber: tyhicks: I think the lxc container shutdown on upgrade is just a systemd bug...
[13:49] <hallyn> (or dh_installinit, or whatever is responsible for doing that right)
[13:49] <hallyn> (or maybe our systemd script has a line in it overriding the --no-restart-on-upgrade, i have no idea)
[13:49] <hallyn> (and pitti's not around :)
[15:17] <mdeslaur> @pilot out
[15:17] <mdeslaur> meh
[15:53] <zbenjamin> xnox: ping
[15:53] <zbenjamin> xnox: i heard you worked on upstart ? didrocks thinks you might be able to give some pointers :D
[15:54] <zbenjamin> xnox: i try to prototype a preloader to boost application startup time. The problem is the preloaded process does not have the correct PID and Mir rejects my connection
[15:54] <zbenjamin> xnox: where would be the right place to hack that?
[15:58] <xnox> zbenjamin: well. what does preloader do? and how do you invoke it?
[15:58] <xnox> and do you start it via upstart?
[15:59] <xnox> zbenjamin: what's the output of `ps' for all processes -> pastebin.
[15:59] <xnox> zbenjamin: and the output of $ initctl status, for the job/process in question.
[16:00] <xnox> zbenjamin: in practice i bet the problem is that a fork/exec is done, and upstart didn't expect it.
[16:01] <zbenjamin> xnox: it works like that:   The applauncherd is a daemon that preforks one process that preinits commonly used libraries and QML components. At the time when i want to start a click app i put :   "/usr/bin/invoker --type=qt5 applicationBinary --arg1 --arg2"  into the desktop file
[16:02] <zbenjamin> xnox: the ual then executes the invoker with requests applauncherd to load the application binary into the preloaded process (using dlopen) which then becomed the application
[16:02] <zbenjamin> becomes
[16:02] <zbenjamin> xnox: to the PID of the app that connects to Mir is not expected at all
[16:02] <zbenjamin> s/to/so
[16:03] <zbenjamin> so i get ApplicationManager REJECTED connection from app with pid 20469 as it was not launched by upstart, and no desktop_file_hint is specified
[16:03] <zbenjamin> xnox: https://github.com/nemomobile/mapplauncherd
[16:08] <xnox> zbenjamin: so pid 20469 is e.g. a pid that applauncherd forked (where e.g. applauncherd is 20468 itself)
[16:09] <zbenjamin> xnox: yeah
[16:10] <xnox> zbenjamin: horum. I think you need to (a) somehow communicate to appluancherd who you are (as in which app you are launching, e.g. one way to do that is to pass all environment variables, e.g. UPSTAR_JOB et al)
[16:10] <zbenjamin> xnox: invoker forwards all env to the preforked process
[16:11] <xnox> zbenjamin: (b) you will have to do hack up Mir/Application Manager to query applauncherd children in case matches are not found for "normal executed apps"
[16:12] <zbenjamin> xnox: hm that sounds doable
[16:12] <xnox> however, you'd need jdstrand input on this. Cause it sounds like a massive security hole. Cause e.g. we can trust the upstart view of the world, but not so much dlopened/preloaded untrusted apps that can totally change their own environment and pretend to be somebody else =/
[16:13] <xnox> zbenjamin: what is this desktop_file_hint stuff? surely your post-loaded app should be able to tell mir who it is.
[16:14] <xnox> and/or applauncherd do it in a trusted way.
[16:14] <zbenjamin> xnox: this is just for profiling atm. I talked to jdstrand already and in case this would boost application startup significantly we can look at secutiry
[16:14] <zbenjamin> xnox: does not work with desktop_file_hint :(  tried that already
[16:14] <xnox> e.g. "yo, mir, i'm applaucherd, this pid will be this thing, until crashes.", "yo, mir, this pid is now nothing", "yo, mir, this pid is now calculator."
[16:15] <zbenjamin> xnox: well every app will have a new pid of course
[16:15] <xnox> or possibly invoker will have to do that.
[16:15] <zbenjamin> that can be done yeah
[16:15] <xnox> zbenjamin: right, but there is no mapping. Previously in normal world, we start upstart job instance per app.
[16:15] <xnox> and each job instance has pid and variables describing who it is.
[16:15] <zbenjamin> xnox: hmmm, well invoker lives as long as the app
[16:16] <xnox> zbenjamin: then invoker should be proxing calls to mir, no? can it open a socket to mir & pass it to the app?
[16:17] <zbenjamin> hm not sure about that
[16:17] <xnox> e.g. poor-mans nc -U ;-)
[16:18]  * ogra_ has seen rich men use nc !
[16:18] <zbenjamin> xnox: the question is more, how to get that into Qt
[16:19] <zbenjamin> and will it hurt performance
[16:19] <xnox> zbenjamin: code in invoker to open mir socket or whatever it is, and then bind another one for the app. Tell the loaded app to use that socket to talk to mir (i think it is environmental variable controllable) and then join the two - that is "into invoker socker, goes to mir socket" and vice versa.
[16:19] <zbenjamin> oh my :D
[16:20] <ogra_> always the trivial stuff :)
[16:21] <zbenjamin> ogra_: yeah thats way too easy ;)
[16:21] <xnox> zbenjamin: well, look into application manager code and how it queries things from upstart or what not. And/or why it rejects things. And e.g. tweak it to always accept things that look like from your prefork daemon.
[16:21] <xnox> or make it query the prefork daemon to validate things.
[16:22] <xnox> zbenjamin: got to go, hope this helps.
[16:22] <xnox> zbenjamin: i always thought we should support upstart to deserialise arbitrary json into it's state machine. then one would be able to forge stuff as one would like, but alas, we only do that for re-exec =(
[16:23] <zbenjamin> xnox: :/
[16:23] <zbenjamin> xnox: thanks for the hints
[16:23] <zbenjamin> xnox: need to run as well, i'll probably ping you again tomorrow ;)
[17:07] <bdmurray> Is there a way for me to rerun the wily-adt-apport test without uploading the package again?
[17:09] <Laney> bdmurray: log in on the 'private' link
[17:10] <Laney> bdmurray: then click http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/wily-adt-apport/ here
[17:10] <Laney> erm, 'build now' there
[17:11] <bdmurray> Laney: got it, thanks


[00:28] <Guest74885> I'm basically at a loss... There needs to be a way to force the panels to stay the same
[01:44] <in_code> kde one love
[02:55] <chcknrub> Hi peeps, I have switched to #kde-neon and is very happy ever since ^_^
[02:56] <chcknrub> i still have vmware image for kubuntu 16.04, the kde libs/platform/apps are outdated :(
[02:56] <chcknrub> why not recommend all people visiting this channel to switch to neon instead??? most problems will be solved
[02:59] <chcknrub> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MMOAV-xYFs
[04:58] <schnoodles> Hey everyone. I brought it up yesterday but not sure how to fix it. Since updating to 17.04 I seem to have a graphics glitch on my cursor which makes it get a box around it. IT is only when I hover over certain elements or try and copy paste.
[04:58] <schnoodles> I updated to use the graphic-drivers ppa for my nvidia card and the problem still exists.
[04:58] <schnoodles> Has anyone ran into this ?
[08:53] <user1> русские есть?
[11:31] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:55] <AppAraat> valorie: unfortunately it seems not possible - https://redd.it/661l7g
[11:56] <AppAraat> not sure whether it's already a feature request or not, but I'll cook up one if it isn't already.
[14:09] <R13ose> Hi
[14:10] <R13ose> Is there a tablet that uses kubuntu?
[14:21] <ronnoc> R13ose: Not that I'm aware of at present
[14:25] <R13ose> Any I can put it on?
[14:36] <Guest87921> Hi
[14:36] <Guest87921> How do I calibrate colors in kubuntu?
[15:35] <ronnoc> R13ose: See https://plasma-mobile.org/intel-based-devices/ for currently tested devices, and https://forum.kde.org/viewforum.php?f=293&sid=785bafe4b5c3b8e5ac77ec2afa9eaa4d for discussions
[15:45] <R13ose> ronnoc: thanks
[21:06] <user|31026> Trying to install Kubuntu though into my vw workstation through ISO and getting the error "initramfs unable to find a medium containing a live file system"
[21:07] <karkoon> Hi. I've noticed that some programms autostart at the next boot when they weren't closed previously. Is there an option where I can change that or enable it for all programs? (eg Firefox does it, Intellij doesn't.)
[21:11] <user|31026> Trying to install Kubuntu though into my vw workstation through ISO and getting the error "initramfs unable to find a medium containing a live file system"
 @karkoon, http://i.imgur.com/SwuyAiu.png
[22:30] <imbezol> anyone have any ideas as to why kde doesn't display icons of non-kde apps, like firefox, telegram, etc?
[22:30] <imbezol> it instead displays the generic icon
[22:30] <dmtd> Hi all, on KDE Neon, and can't control spotify via MPRIS D-bus. Getting this error. Any advice? http://paste.ubuntu.com/24410357/
[22:38] <imbezol> also, if i load konqueror all the icons are missing from the launch page


[01:05] <PCLine__> Evening everyone.
[01:06] <Unit193> Howdy.
[01:06] <PCLine__> Hey Unit193 - Hows things going?
[01:06] <Unit193> Hrm.  Not too bad I guess?
[01:07] <PCLine__> It turned a little Cold here is Ohio!
[01:07] <Unit193> Hah, yep!  We got snow! :D
[01:10] <PCLine__> Yes we got some snow also.


[02:58] <Rak> hello down lubuntu have older revison downloads?
[02:58] <Rak> does*
[03:41] <jmarsden> Rak: Older revisions of all Ubuntu/Lubuntu packages are still in the repositories, you can downgrade packages with apt-get just as in all of the Ubuntu family.  Is that what you mean?  If not, what are you looking for?
[03:42] <Unit193> Rak: I "think" 10.04 was the first stable Lubuntu
[03:43] <Rak> o
[03:43] <Rak> was just wondering
[03:43] <Rak> I got a older computer it has 128 mb =P
[03:44] <Unit193> CPU? I would say lubuntu is more lightweight
[03:45] <Rak> Pen III coppermine
[03:45] <Unit193> Rak: From the wiki "A Pentium II or Celeron system with 128 MiB of RAM is probably a bottom-line configuration that may yield slow yet usable system with Lubuntu"
[03:46] <Rak> yup
[03:46] <jmarsden> Unit193: There was an lubuntu-meta pacakge (and therefore an lubuntu-desktop package) in Karmic 9.10, according to rmadison
[03:48] <juanantonio> Hello. From my experience, I can say I have a PIII 800 Mhz with 256 Mb RAM (4 Mb Video shared), and everything is ok, not too fast, but usable with IM, mail, even aMule and Transmission
[03:48] <juanantonio> and I have 10.10
[03:48] <juanantonio> this is what I am using now, by the way
[03:49] <Unit193> jmarsden: You're correct http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/lubuntu-desktop
[03:50] <jmarsden> Unit193: Right;  I did   rmadison lubuntu-desktop    instead -- same kind of info just a command line interface to it :)
[03:51] <juanantonio> The only question I have is that I do not know if it's possible to logout and relog in with the same programs I had, as KDE or Gnome do. Is that possible in LXDE?
[03:53] <jmarsden> juanantonio: I am not sure; I know there was a bug requesting .xsession support, which would probably be one way to get that effect.
[03:54] <juanantonio> A bug or a bot?
[03:54] <jmarsden> bug #530503
[03:55] <jmarsden> That bug report mentions a workaround : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxdm/+bug/530503/comments/5   # which might work for you
[03:56] <juanantonio> Ok, I am pasting in Chromium to see what tells to me, thanks a lot
[03:57] <jmarsden> juanantonio: You're welcome.
[03:57] <jmarsden> juanantonio: BTW you should be able to right click on the link (in xchat) and click on "Open Link in Browser" -- no need to cut and paste for that.
[03:59] <juanantonio> Yes, that is what I have done, it's wonderful
[04:00] <juanantonio> but I got a problem: I don't know what to do with the link
[04:00] <juanantonio> I have read through it
[04:00] <juanantonio> and i don't understand
[04:02] <juanantonio> Let me have a look at my directories and files
[04:05] <juanantonio> Uhuh
[04:05] <juanantonio> but if I install this, will I lose my current configuration?
[04:10] <juanantonio> Ok, I will try tomorrow. Thanks and good night
[05:09] <mndrll> HI
[05:09] <mndrll> hey i just install Lubuntu 10.10 on my hp notebook
[05:10] <mndrll> does anyone knows how i can hotkeys for openning the terminal
[05:10] <mndrll> and other stuffs??
[05:12] <jmarsden> mndrll: See http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXDE:Questions#How_do_I_change_the_hotkeys.3F
[05:14] <mndrll> jmarsden, thanks!
[05:15] <jmarsden> mndrll: You're welcome.  BTW, all I did was use Google to look for it :)
[05:15] <mndrll> jmarsden, lol
[07:28] <bobycake> Hello
[09:45] <StamEhad> Hi!I'm trying to boot an ole PIII laptop with the Lubuntu 10.10 liveCD but it hangs in the screen with the ubuntu 10.10 and 4 dots.
[10:45] <fade_> hi there
[10:46] <fade_> im interested if someone has a solution to screen locking after suspend, on resume it just comes back to the desktop, does not ask for password
[10:51] <leszek> hi
[10:54] <Guest51561> I just set up a dual boot of XP and lubuntu 10.10. Everything was going fine, I was just wrestling with enabling wireless on ubuntu a little bit. After updating packages I restarted, and winxp no longer shows in grub. Just lubuntu twice, twice recovery, and two memtests. How can I return XP to the grub menu, or do I have something else wrong?
[10:56] <leszek> AndrewRSM: install os-prober and run it from Lubuntus LxTerminal with root rights
[10:56] <AndrewRSM> leszek, Thank you for the response, doing this.
[10:59] <AndrewRSM> sudo os-prober
[10:59] <AndrewRSM> /dev/sda1:Microsoft Windows XP Professional:Windows:chain
[10:59] <AndrewRSM> Does that look good leszek?
[11:00] <leszek> yep it does
[11:00] <leszek> AndrewRSM: I think you need to execute now: sudo update-grub2
[11:00] <leszek> or sudo update-grub
[11:00] <leszek> which should update grubs menu
[11:02] <AndrewRSM> I ran both of those. The two versions of linux, new followed by backup kernel (if I'm correct), memtest, and the windows install were listed.
[11:02] <AndrewRSM> Will this be a common occurance following Linux kernel updates?
[11:03] <leszek> yes unless you remove the old kernels. But be aware to test the newly installed kernel if its running ok for you before deleting the older ones
[11:03] <AndrewRSM> ..?
[11:03] <AndrewRSM> I just received a partial message with no name in front of it.
[11:03] <AndrewRSM> "the newly installed kernel if its running ok for you before deleting the older ones"
[11:05] <AndrewRSM> Hm, the rest of your message appeared. I guess it was an issue with my xchat.
[11:05] <leszek> :)
[11:05] <AndrewRSM> Do I need to delete old kernels?
[11:05] <AndrewRSM> Or can I safely never manually delete old kernels indefinitely?
[11:06] <leszek> You don't need to remove them
[11:06] <leszek> but they will be useless if you don't use them and take up space
[11:07] <AndrewRSM> So perhaps once I have a third, I should use the google and figure out how to remove the oldest one safely?
[11:10] <leszek> you can remove them with synaptic, just like normally removing an application
[11:10] <AndrewRSM> Ah ok.
[11:10] <leszek> but make sure to remove the right kernel, with the right version number ;)
[11:10] <AndrewRSM> ^_^
[11:10] <fade_> im interested if someone has a solution to screen locking after suspend, on resume it just comes back to the desktop, does not ask for password
[11:11] <AndrewRSM> Thanks again leszek.
[11:11] <leszek> fade_: I guess xscreensavers settings might have an option for locking the screen before suspending
[11:12] <leszek> AndrewRSM: no problem ;)
[11:12] <fade_> unfortunatelly it does not, and i searched for 2 hours for a solution, does not exist
[11:12] <fade_> i tried using gnome screensaver for this, but its not really working the way i would like to
[11:13] <fade_> i was thinking of finding the script that prepares it for suspend and insert xautolock there to force screen lock before going to suspend, so when it wakes up, should be locked
[11:22] <fade_> leszek did you make a youtube video for user llectro... ?
[11:22] <leszek> llelectronics is actually my account ;)
[11:23] <fade_> just watching it, can you tell me is locking of the screen work for you when using suspend option ?
[15:10] <leszek> re
[16:50] <kosaidpo|> hello guys
[16:51] <kosaidpo|> i have modem 3g and iwanna change my provider dns cus its been 3 days or more icant visit many sites anynoe can help ?
[17:57] <Newk> hi.. after reboot my 2 keys are not listening again ...arg!
[18:26] <Newk> its either in X or in LXDE (or is that the same?) anyone know how i can narrow it down?
[18:33] <Newk> brb. gonna try reboot after this dpkg-reconfigure
[18:44] <Newk> still not working
[18:50] <pakau> hello
[18:50] <pakau> people
[18:50] <pakau> any one online ?
[18:52] <bioterror> maybe
[18:52] <pakau> i have a some problems.. i just installed lubuntu.. and addicional drivers doesnt open.. update manager doesnt open..  it does not recognize my CD drives and it doenst include software center.. is this normal ?
[18:52] <bioterror> hmmmm
[18:53] <bioterror> software center missing is normal ;)
[18:53] <pakau> hmm ok
[18:53] <bioterror> pakau, what if you say in terminal "sudo update-manager"
[18:53] <pakau> let me try
[18:54] <bioterror> Newk, I didnt get your problem
[18:54] <pakau> import site' failed; use -v for traceback
[18:54] <pakau> Traceback (most recent call last):
[18:54] <pakau>   File "/usr/bin/update-manager", line 26, in <module>
[18:54] <pakau>     import pygtk
[18:54] <pakau> ImportError: No module named pygtk
[18:54] <bioterror> pakau, sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop --no-install-recommends
[18:55] <pakau> nothing changed
[18:55] <bioterror> did it say it's already installed?
[18:55] <pakau> 0 pakage updated 0 removed  0 installed
[18:55] <pakau> yes
[18:55] <pakau> it does
[18:55] <bioterror> okay
[18:56] <pakau> but shit this is fast
[18:56] <pakau> lubuntu is really fast
[18:57] <bioterror> hmmm
[18:57] <bioterror> just a moment
[18:57] <bioterror> I'm checking packages
[18:57] <pakau> tks *
[19:08] <bioterror> mohimon
[19:10] <bioterror> pakau, seems like solution is fun :D
[19:10] <pakau> lol what is the solution ? :P
[19:10] <bioterror> http://community.livejournal.com/ubuntu_users/411194.html?thread=2896442#t2896442
[19:11] <bioterror> I dunno if that works
[19:12] <bioterror> my wife doesnt have any python files under /usr/local/bin/
[19:12] <bioterror> do you have?
[19:12] <pakau> nops
[19:12] <pakau> neither :S
[19:12] <bioterror> hmmm
[19:12] <bioterror> :D
[19:13] <pakau> =)
[19:13] <pakau> it is possible t change to xubuntu ?
[19:13] <bioterror> ofcourse
[19:13] <bioterror> but that's not really lubuntu related problem
[19:14] <bioterror> you have a fresh installation?
[19:14] <pakau> yes
[19:15] <pakau> i made a fresh instalation
[19:15] <pakau> the update manager
[19:15] <pakau> opened the 1st time
[19:15] <pakau> it made some updates
[19:15] <bioterror> hmmm
[19:15] <pakau> and then restart.. after that... puff no more updage manager
[19:15] <bioterror> could yo reinstall?
[19:15] <bioterror> you
[19:15] <pakau> yes
[19:15] <bioterror> it takes ~25mins
[19:15] <Newk> bioterror: i have two keys that fail to work inside LXDE. its the Delete and DownArrow keys.
[19:15] <pakau> actually its the only cd i have here
[19:15] <bioterror> :)
[19:15] <bioterror> pakau, is it 10.10 or 10.04?
[19:16] <Newk> 10.10 ahs still some problems with hardware acceleration
[19:16] <Newk> has
[19:16] <Newk> on older graphic cards
[19:17] <bioterror> Newk, every linux has probs with older graphics card with 3D :D
[19:17] <bioterror> and with newer too :----)
[19:17] <pakau> 10.10
[19:17] <Newk> nope.. its working perfectly on 10.04
[19:17] <pakau> hm ok
[19:17] <pakau> maybe its because of  10
[19:17] <bioterror> pakau, could be that python or something to updated and it went wrong
[19:17] <pakau> 10.10
[19:18] <bioterror> 10.10 works just fine
[19:18] <pakau> hmm ok
[19:18] <Newk> why on 11.04 already then? :p
[19:18] <pakau> what about apt-get-install xubuntu-desktop ?
[19:18] <pakau> can i do it ?
[19:18] <bioterror> pakau, why not
[19:19] <pakau> ok
[19:19] <pakau> i can try
[19:19] <Newk> lubuntu-desktop.. no?
[19:19] <pakau> haaa
[19:19] <pakau> yes
[19:19] <pakau> lol
[19:19] <pakau> it will fix ?
[19:20] <Newk> could be
[19:20] <bioterror> I think not
[19:21] <pakau> ok i go for xubuntu then
[19:21] <pakau> lets see if it works
[19:21] <pakau> i just dont go for ubuntu cause its to heavy for this pc
[19:22] <Newk> its a big monster :)
[19:22] <pakau> yesss
[19:22] <pakau> only works good on my quad core 4ram
[19:22] <Newk> oops
[19:25] <pakau> hope it doesnt uninstall my chromium tho
[19:25] <Newk> bioterror.. do you know how to configure keyboard in lxde?
[19:25] <pakau> i like chromium
[19:26] <Newk> pakau: you can just install it afterwards again.. just ignore when it says it uninstall lubuntu/xubuntu desktop.. its just the metapackage not clean anymore
[19:27] <bioterror> Newk, sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
[19:27] <Newk> bioterror: i'll try that
[19:29] <Newk> bioterror: i already did that and it didnt do the trick
[19:29] <bioterror> does it work in tty?
[19:30] <Newk> yes
[19:30] <Newk> so its something in X11 or something
[19:31] <Newk> (that sounds funny)
[19:31] <Newk> (no i am not stoned)
[19:40] <Newk> too bad my keyboard model is not listed in xkeycaps
[19:41] <bioterror> use generic pc105 or something like that
[19:42] <Newk> ok
[19:42] <Newk> its a bit diffrent this one though
[19:46] <Newk> the proper keys dont light up when i hit them... xkeycaps seems old.. too bad lxkeymap isnt in 10.04 repo
[19:58]  * Newk tries to install lxkeymap anyway
[20:00] <pakau> ppl he is asking me
[20:00] <pakau> wich type of screen managment i want
[20:00] <pakau> GDM  or LXDM
[20:02] <pakau> wich one should i pik ?
[21:03] <bonny> i need to play wormux on network how do i do it
[21:12] <szczur> bonny, i would recommend going to #wormux
[21:13] <szczur> and if you're running version 11.01 of warmux which is the latest
[21:13] <szczur> then you can go to network play in teh main menu
[21:14] <szczur> you should see two servers there
[21:14] <szczur> conect to any of it, and wait for players :)
[21:14] <szczur> bonny, for latest version use ppa
[21:14] <szczur> http://www.wormux.org/phpboost/wiki/install-warmux
[21:21] <Julz2k> hello
[21:23] <szczur> hi
[21:24] <Julz2k> I have a problem with my Lubuntu. I installed lubuntu 10.4 from my USB stick to my external drive, the installation went awesome trough, but on the startup i got the mesage "verifying dmi pool data" I checked the bios and all setings are optimal I can even run a live cd from my external drive and not only from my usb stick. Anny suggestions?
[21:38] <Yorvyk> Julz2k,  nothing to worry about, it's just telling you what it's doing.
[21:40] <Julz2k> the system could boot? It's a very low system via 500mhz but with 1GB ram
[21:41] <Unit193> Julz2k: 500MHz will boot it
[21:49] <Yorvyk> Julz2k, is the system not booting?
[21:53] <Julz2k> it's not booting :(
[22:00] <Unit193> Julz2k: And you said your BIOS supports booting from USB? Did you check to see it it's set to boot from your external? (for some, you have to set it to boot from the USB drive that's in there)
[22:02] <Julz2k> yes I could boot it the last times with a live cd stored on the external hdd, but i couldn't install the system on the drive because i don't had another USB medium or the chance to install via dvdrom
[22:05] <Julz2k> I think the mbr could be broken I will test a reinstall tomorrow
[22:29] <aetherian> 'ello
[22:30] <aetherian> lovin' the l'untu
[22:35] <Cygnia> Greetings, after fresh install of Lubuntu (from iso, not from ubuntu regular) I cannot join any wireless networks; not even from "Join Hidden Wireless Network" Dialog just briefly pops up but disappears.
[22:37] <Cygnia> The other problem I noticed is that Main Menu is totally blank, no programs or prefs or anything at all. Again, this is after totally fresh install.
[22:42] <Newk> i think they'll like to know what version lubuntu
[22:44] <aetherian> have you considered reinstalling it?
[22:48] <aetherian> um
[22:49] <aetherian> is there perchance a command(s) to upgrade java from 20 to 24 or 26 or whatever the latest update is?
[22:49] <aetherian> so help me god I can not get this thing to install
[22:53] <Cygnia> Hi, sorry, it's the latest stable 10.10 Lubuntu. I didn't try reinstalling, maybe I'll try that. Thanks.
[22:53] <aetherian> um
[22:53] <aetherian> no problem?
[23:03] <aetherian> or even a program, or a setting within it, that does it...
[23:11] <Newk> hmm doesnt look like lxkeymap is fully working.. i thought i saw a graphical layout in the screenshots
[23:11] <Newk> like this: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PUPjYNFVMoc/TInxObl81fI/AAAAAAAAFuk/7BHIyTHTqmI/s1600/lxkeymap.png
[23:12] <Unit193> aetherian: Please run this from lxterminal "java -version"
[23:13] <Newk> i downloaded lxkeymap_0.3~ppa3_all.deb in the hopes i could comfortably configure my keymap to restore those 2 "deaf" keys
[23:17] <Newk> evtest seems to report them fine
[23:19] <Newk> i just dont know where to look anymore
[23:22] <mark76> ♪
[23:24] <Newk> :P
[23:24] <mark76> :D
[23:24] <Unit193> ♫
[23:31] <mark76> I only have the one :-(
[23:32] <Unit193> Couldn't help it :)
[23:34] <Newk> xmodmap? xkb?
[23:34] <mark76> Xchat character chart
[23:37] <vicentebruno> hello people
[23:37] <vicentebruno> i have a problem
[23:37] <Newk> no i meant where to configure the keyboard layout
[23:37] <vicentebruno> :*
[23:37] <Newk> me too
[23:38] <vicentebruno> people my lubuntu is not detecting my usb pen drive :( what coud it be ?
[23:38] <mark76> xkb, probably Newk
[23:39] <Newk> mark76: ah ok.. i'll google it up
[23:39] <Newk> mark76: thanks!
[23:39] <vicentebruno> can any one help me plz ? :)
[23:39] <vicentebruno> i have a problem
[23:40] <aetherian> Unit193: sorry I wasn't here, but would you like me to pastebin it, or just say the version
[23:41] <Unit193> Runtime is the line I'm looking for
[23:42] <aetherian> um, you mean this? "penJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.9.7) (6b20-1.9.7-0ubuntu1)"
[23:42] <aetherian> missing an O at the beginning...
[23:42] <Unit193> You're not using Sun Java
[23:42] <aetherian> figures.
[23:43] <aetherian> not that I could figure out how to install the sun java, but oh well
[23:44] <Unit193> aetherian: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ#Java%20applications%20doesnt%20work,%20I%20want%20propietary%20Java.
[23:44] <vicentebruno> people can any one help me ? .. i incerted a usb pen drive but lubuntu doesnt detect it..... i have incerted the command    sudo lsmod | grep usb       and it does show 1 tho..    any one knows what could it be ???
[23:46] <aetherian> running those things.
[23:47] <aetherian> mmk, I'll test it at the java page
[23:48] <aetherian> :D
[23:48] <aetherian> <3
[23:48] <aetherian> if only I had that before
[23:48] <aetherian> only wasted 3-4+ hours the past couple of days failing at it
[23:56] <jef91> Anyone know what it takes to get pcmanfm to display "Applications" properly
[23:56] <jef91> ?
[23:56] <jef91> Its not showing anything on one of my systems
[23:57] <jef91> works fine on the other


[10:59] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[12:39] <Akiva-Thinkpad> slow sunday
[12:44] <BluesKaj> yup, very quiet
[12:44] <BluesKaj> suddenrly realized how n
[12:45] <BluesKaj> bloated and slow firefox has be\come,
[12:45] <penguin42> BluesKaj: What are you using instead?
[12:46] <BluesKaj> think 'buntu support is minimal now
[12:46] <BluesKaj> going with chromium , penguin42
[12:46] <penguin42> hmm, haven't tried it for a few years
[12:46] <BluesKaj> tried which one?
[12:47] <penguin42> chromium, haven't tried it for a few years
[12:48] <BluesKaj> well it suffers from google -hate in a lot of cases, but I have no problem with it...fast and efficient and easy to setup
[12:50] <BluesKaj> the only thing lacking is the toolbar with edit and other options that FF has above the addressbar , but I can live without it
[12:52] <penguin42> I did submit a chromium bug a few years back asking for a short cut for them
[12:54] <BluesKaj> also the tab fonts are hard coded and so small they're almost unreadable on a large monitor like a TV
[12:56] <penguin42> oh, I know why I stopped using it; I could hard lockit up with pasting with synergy
[12:57] <BluesKaj> pasting with synergy?
[12:58]  * BluesKaj launches muon for synergy info
[12:58] <penguin42> yeh, synergy the thing that lets you share a mouse/keyboard across too machines
[13:00] <BluesKaj> right, seems like a cool app
[13:04] <BluesKaj> dunno if i'd use it much tho
[13:09] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I use it because all these irc windows are on an old laptop display and I do most of everything else on my main machine
[13:10] <lordievader> penguin42: I have a similar setup. And old laptop as irc screen ;)
[13:25] <penguin42> lordievader: Yeh it works OK, synergy just tends to confuse the heck out of some things
[13:26] <lordievader> penguin42: Never really had any problems with synergy.
[13:27] <penguin42> lordievader: The machine that is the synergy client never screen blanks for me; I have some keyboard mapping issues and cut/paste is sometimes flaky
[13:33] <BluesKaj> i use a laptop here and a wireless KB and mouse for the media server which is 3M away and connected to the TV, so it's easy to task on each machine from one location
[13:36] <penguin42> well I could type on the laptop keyboard and use it's touchpad, but that would mean leaning forward and that's waaaaaayyyy too much effort
[13:37] <lordievader> Thats why we have synergy, so we don't need to switch to a different keyboard ;)
[13:38] <penguin42> interesting; I'm seeing some background rendering artifacts with chromium (On KDE framework 5)
[13:39] <penguin42> it's the desktop background that flickers black as I move my mouse into and out of the screen - the contents of chromium are fine
[13:41] <BluesKaj> still on plsama4 here, no artifacts
[13:44] <penguin42> ok, cured if I turn off compositing
[13:48] <elfy> afternoon peeps
[13:50] <lordievader> Hey elfy, how are you?
[13:51] <elfy> ok thanks lordievader - having a lazy day - that's what Sunday is for :p
[13:51] <lordievader> elfy: True that ;)
[14:30] <BluesKaj> had to drop my vpn connection for a few mins, for some reason thunderbird wouldn't send email to gmail accts while connected thru the vpn... it worked before but suddenly not.
[14:37] <streulma> hello is there better HiDPI support in Unity for 14.10
[15:05] <BluesKaj> streulma, using a large monitor
[15:05] <BluesKaj> ?
[15:14] <penguin42> BluesKaj: It's not necessarily the large monitors,it's the small ones with lots of pixels
[15:19] <BluesKaj> well increased dpi settings certainly help the font res on large monitors
[15:19] <penguin42> BluesKaj: The problem is a lot of apps/libraries that do stuff in fixed number of pixels look hopelessly small on them
[15:22] <BluesKaj> the only problem I've come across is the tab fonts on chromium, otherwise fonts are easily adjusted on kubuntu ...windows is a lot cruder but it's workable
[15:24] <streulma> BluesKaj Macbook Pro Retina 13 inch
[15:25] <penguin42> BluesKaj: What display have you tried it on?
[15:27] <BluesKaj> our TV , a Panasonic 42" Plasma connected to the media server pc via DPI/HDMI from a nvidia 8400gs
[15:27] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Right, that's not where you get the problem
[15:30] <BluesKaj> yeah, my 15.6" laptop screen is harder to adjust ,but running 105 dpi seems be a good compromise
[15:31] <BluesKaj> to be
[15:31] <penguin42> BluesKaj: But the problem comes when you have ~250dpi screens   a lot of stuff just looks wrong
[15:32] <BluesKaj> wouldn'r down scale the dpi setting...that seems a bit much when the default is usually 96 dpi in the display driver
[15:33] <BluesKaj> er would rather
[15:33] <penguin42> BluesKaj: But the actual physical hardware is ~250dpi - and a lot of stuff doesn't look right
[15:33] <penguin42> BluesKaj: That's the issue; it's not a simple settings issue
[15:35] <BluesKaj> penguin42, yeah, makes me wonder.."what the hell are they thinking" putting out a product with that kind of screen..kind of silly
[15:35] <penguin42> BluesKaj: No! They're absolutely lovely
[15:35] <penguin42> BluesKaj: It just takes a bit of design to get stuff right
[15:36] <BluesKaj> sounds like pita to me
[15:36] <penguin42> BluesKaj: No, it's really really nice
[15:36] <penguin42> BluesKaj: The displays are absolutely gorgeous
[15:38] <BluesKaj> not if you can't read the fonts
[15:38] <penguin42> BluesKaj: You can when the desktop environment properly does the fontsize properly
[15:38] <penguin42> BluesKaj: It just means fixing a lot of old font cruft that assumed fixed DPI in a lot of places
[15:39] <penguin42> BluesKaj: It does take some effort to get stuff right, and I think streulma was asking whether Ubuntu has done that yet (I don't know - I don't have such a device myself)
[15:39]  * BluesKaj needs larger displays for his old eyes
[15:40] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Yeh there are some 28" devices starting to come out at that type of DPI now
[15:41] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Properly rendered fonts look very crisp and smooth curves etc on them, photos look lovely
[15:42]  * penguin42 hasn't had a chance to play with the big displays, only played with tablets and laptops in shops
[15:48] <BluesKaj> photos look great on the TV , it's not an immense screen so resolution is really clear
[15:49] <BluesKaj> and being a plasma display the contyrast is superior to lcd/led displays
[15:53] <BluesKaj> it's nice for standard TV resolution as well, the smaller 42" screen makes 480i much more watchable than a large 65"
[15:54] <BluesKaj> some channels here compress the hell out of 1080i HD sources and aren't much clearer than the
[15:55] <BluesKaj> 480i counterpart
[15:55]  * penguin42 still watches TV on a 32" CRT so hey
[15:56] <penguin42> (Mostly because I can't even think about the effort needed to get it down the stairs to replace it...)
[15:59] <BluesKaj> our 20 yr old 28" mitsubishi gave up the ghost literally,  and we got a good deal on this Panasonic, we had no other tvs so no other choices
[16:37] <BluesKaj> bbl


 hm, can you manually reboot it into the diffrent modes, I updated my mx4 pro ubuntu editon to ubports
 @mateosalta, You can, but the UBports installer doesn't expect that - at least I haven't been able to use it to install UBports. … https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer/issues/254 … PS. Sorry, I was on my phone this early morning (for me anyway) so I said I reported it - my memmory is too short. In the post-Canonical
[05:10] <ubptgbot> era I've apparently only commented on an existing bug report :)
 @mateosalta, [Edit] You can, but the UBports installer doesn't expect that - at least I haven't been able to use it to install UBports. … https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer/issues/254
 @mateosalta, [Edit] You can, but the UBports installer doesn't expect that - at least I haven't been able to use it to install UBports. … https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer/issues/254 … Though in the original report I made this seems to be fixed. I wonder if that's the case - it is true I haven't used the UBports i
[05:15] <ubptgbot> nstaller since then :/.
 @mateosalta, [Edit] You can, but the UBports installer doesn't expect that - at least I haven't been able to use it to install UBports. … https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer/issues/254
[06:53] <ubptgbot> alfabeta14 was added by: alfabeta14
[08:13] <ubptgbot> Luyten was added by: Luyten
 Do toi have à discord server for UBports community ? It will ne radier to work together !!
 *Do you have a discord server for UBports community ? It will be easier to work together (I'm sry for the last message it was my French corrector)
 We do not, and we have no plans to do so.
 Ok thanks !
 @Luyten, I don't believe it would make it easier, as the only app for Ubuntu touch is a desktop app, and we already have 3 ims to manage, and segregation of the community is seldom a good idea, of cause their are some parts of the community we'll never get because we don't have a, b or c, but you got to weigh out the
[08:48] <ubptgbot>  benefits and the consequences
 I understand it was only a suggestion but no problem ...
 Welcome to the Telegram group anyway!
[10:27] <ubptgbot> DivakarRajagopalan was added by: DivakarRajagopalan
 Discord is not free though, either
 Hi Oneplus one with 16.04 RC having problem with Camera it get stuck above all if using with telegram anyone else?
[11:28] <ubptgbot> Nekura Kuroi was added by: Nekura Kuroi
[11:28] <ubptgbot> <Nekura Kuroi> Please provide Microsoft Exchange support
 @prpleXist, There are a lot of open issues as you can see https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+camera and not only for OPO
 @advocatux, thanks will not bother to upload a issue on blog the phone besides is wonderful very happy with the work done so far
 @prpleXist, If you have some minutes to spare, it would be good if you can confirm or not these open issues https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aopen+label%3A%22device%3A+bacon%22+label%3A%22needs+confirmation%22
 That search is just for issues tagged Bacon and Needs confirmation
 @advocatux, tahnsk will do then
 Thank YOU :)
 Hi @alfabeta14 Luyten @DivakarRajagopalan & Nekura, welcome! Take a look to https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you up to speed. … There are language focus groups available too :)
 🙏🙏🙏👍👍
 :)
 😊👍
 Just a reminder there is no Q&A today it will be next Saturday 4th at 19:00 UTC
 (Sticker, 280x512) https://irc.ubports.com/P97qVbr9.webp
 I was looking forward to it today, shame.
[17:59] <ubptgbot> <Nekura Kuroi> Anbox for Fairphone? Is there a workaround?
 @Nekura Kuroi, Not yet. Developers focus is on OTA-4. Anbox updates may come later this year.
 @jonny, What, it is planned to launch Anbox on Fairphone? 👍
 @jonny, [Edit] What, it is planned to launch Anbox on Fairphone at all? 👍
 As far as i know, Anbox shell come to all UT devices, if possible. But for now there is just a proof of concept that only works on 2 or 3 devices.
[21:35] <ubptgbot> Fiona Cox was added by: Fiona Cox
[21:38] <ubptgbot> <Fiona C> Hello. I'm want to flash an M10 FHD to ubports, and read that I need to reinstall UT first. I can download the ubports installer for Mac, but it looks like I have to use Linux to reflash back to Ubuntu Touch - is that correct or can I do it on the Mac? thanks, Fiona
 https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/install.html have a look here it should help
[22:01] <ubptgbot> <Fiona C> Yeah that’s where I was. It mentions downloading the installer for all operating systems and only mentions Linux when discussing how to reflash... 😕
 @Fiona C, Well, a VM perhaps?
[22:24] <ubptgbot> <Fiona C> So you reckon it has to be linux Rodney?
 What's the best language to learn to start contributing to Ubuntu Touch?
 [Edit] What's the best language to learn to learn to start contributing to Ubuntu Touch?
 [Edit] What's the best language to learn to start contributing to Ubuntu Touch?
 @Fiona C, If it's the sp flash tool, maybe. Not sure if there's a Mac build of that. There is for Windows though.
 @amolith, English?
 Programming language
[22:32] <ubptgbot> <Fiona C> @dohbee, Ok, thanks
 @amolith, C++ probably
 @dohbee, Thank you
 It may be helpful to have a goal before you start, such as a pet bug you want to fix
 If you do I'll come on the journey with you and lend a hand when I can
 I find that if people have a goal in mind like "make switch in indicator work correctly" it's easier to target than "learn C++
 Indeed
 I'm thinking adding features like "double tap power button to launch camera" or "double tap volume up to skip to next song" or "volume down" for the opposite. But I just learned how to do an if statement in bash so that's a long way away 😉
 @UniversalSuperBox, I'm thinking adding features like "double tap power button to launch camera" or "double tap volume up to skip to next song" or "volume down" for the opposite. But I just learned how to do an if statement in bash so that's a long way away 😉
 Is it though?
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/TZ4eR5sf.webp
 @UniversalSuperBox, You tell me
 @amolith, ```if(powerbuttonispressedtwice){ … launchCamera(); … }```
 @VeryOriginalUsername, would it really be that simple?
 Well there has to be a function that checks for power button press somewhere, so you'd use that code and change it to react when power button is pressed twice
 ^ correct me if I'm wrong
 [Edit] Well there has to be a function that checks for power button press somewhere (sleep and wake), so you'd use that code and change it to react when power button is pressed twice
 Yeah
 One moment
 Probably put a time limit on it maybe
 Several moments
 Because then you will trigger it unexpected after casually checking the time
 (Sticker, 512x250) https://irc.ubports.com/bvnaj1U4.webp
 So
 It's 1:20AM here
 So
 Yes, Amolith, it is that easy
 You understand the concepts of "This is how I tell a computer to do things that I want it to do".
 @amolith, Yes
 So now you know... `if (user presses power button twice); open camera` is what you need to do
 Now the only parts of C++ you need to learn are the parts to do that.
 if(nameofthatthing == true){ … system(camera-app-name); … }
 Is that correct? 🤔
 How do you find those parts? Well, it's more complicated of course
 @UniversalSuperBox, You in Deutschland?
 @UniversalSuperBox, That's me awake @ 1am
 Wait how are we in the same timezone
 I thought you're in US
 @dohbee, No... I'm sure we'll talk all about it in the next Q&A though. :)
 @UniversalSuperBox, Is that related to last Cannonical devices donation?
 No
 Are you in Norway to fix the internet?
 Really, I must go to sleep now. It's been a long day. I'm sure I'll have plenty of time in layover to talk about it.
 Stay tuned. :)
 Good night then 💤
 @UniversalSuperBox, Good night!
 @UniversalSuperBox, Thank you!


[01:29] <KGB-2> epiphany-browser signed tags cd07609 Jeremy Bicha upstream/41.2 * Upstream version 41.2 * https://deb.li/ixTVl
[01:29] <KGB-2> epiphany-browser upstream/latest 5110635 Jeremy Bicha * pushed 49 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/MUSd
[01:29] <KGB-2> epiphany-browser upstream/latest 2357ceb Gianvito Cavasoli po/it.po * Update Italian translation * https://deb.li/i4dXV
[01:29] <KGB-2> epiphany-browser upstream/latest e08e0a5 Michael Catanzaro lib/ meson.build ephy-output-encoding.c ephy-output-encoding.h * Add secure output encoding functions * https://deb.li/7U1D
[01:29] <KGB-2> epiphany-browser upstream/latest 9fca050 Michael Catanzaro HACKING.md * Add anti-XSS rules to HACKING file * https://deb.li/3Ffxz
[01:30] <KGB-2> epiphany-browser upstream/latest f7248e4 Michael Catanzaro embed/ephy-about-handler.c * about-handler: properly encode page title/URL in about:overview * https://deb.li/ahNR
[01:30] <KGB-2> epiphany-browser upstream/latest 28c64ff Michael Catanzaro embed/ephy-about-handler.c * about-handler: properly encode web app info in about:applications * https://deb.li/3W9bc
[01:30] <KGB-2> epiphany-browser pristine-tar 46d47de Jeremy Bicha epiphany-browser_41.2.orig.tar.xz.delta epiphany-browser_41.2.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for epiphany-browser_41.2.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/3u9Ev
[07:11] <ricotz> good morning desktopers! :)
[07:11] <oSoMoN> hello ricotz, good morning desktoppers!
[07:13] <ricotz> hey oSoMoN
[07:14] <ricotz> oSoMoN, there are some mozilla releases, tb 91.4.1 and ff 95.0.2
[07:16] <oSoMoN> ricotz, I've seen those. Firefox 95.0.2 is a windows-only bugfix release, so it can be safely ignored
[07:16] <oSoMoN> although I did upload it to jammy yesterday, before the release notes were published, just to be on the safe side
[07:17] <ricotz> oSoMoN, ah, good, I haven't looks closely at that one
[08:32] <ricotz> oSoMoN, should I add another comment to the "rustc 1.56 update bug"?
[09:19] <oSoMoN> ricotz, that would be useful, thanks
[10:12]  * ricotz watches launchpad builders failing all over the place :(
[11:10] <jbicha> ricotz: do you know what's going wrong with the libreoffice build?
[11:11] <jbicha> good morning
[11:13] <ricotz> jbicha, hi, I guess the builders farm is a bit too busy
[11:13] <ricotz> a couple of firefox builds needed a restart too, but with such long running build like libreoffice a possible failure gets more likely
[11:14] <jbicha> oh, I wish they would tell us when they start those giant archive rebuilds instead of after they've been running for a while :)
[12:42] <ricotz> jbicha, is there any kind of mitigation, just had to restart it again :(


[00:12] <cmaloney> Heeeeeeello
[00:12] <rick_h_> party party
[00:13] <rick_h_> patches patches patches...test those patches patches...open source
[01:01] <rick_h_> greg-g: tickets bought for aug 22 to 30th
[01:25] <mathomastech> Hey, I am spent the better part of 15 hours over the last week attempting to compile my python program into a windows executable file. Google has run out of new suggestions for me to try. If anyone has any experience doing this, would you be willing to spend some time in a Google Hangout to take a look? I am thuroughly stumped at this point.
[11:36] <tony-smlr> SMLR E121 LIVE Video: http://youtu.be/0iAIzQ45tXo Audio http://live.smlr.us:8000/streaming (3/15/2014 7:15AM EDT)
[11:39] <tony-smlr> we are also chatting in #smlr
[14:51] <cmaloney> Good morning
[17:21] <wolfger> It's some kind of morning, that's for sure....
[17:21] <wolfger> well.... afternoon, now
[18:02] <brousch> Geeker rick_h_
[18:05] <brousch> We were in the same building at the same time for probably 3 hours, but he didn't tell me he was in GR
[22:55] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, surprised we missed you. We were there form 10:30am through 1:30/2
[22:56] <brousch> Crazy. We were there from 9:30 - 1:30
[23:35] <mrgoodcat> .func
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[23:36] <mrgoodcat> .func
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[23:38] <mrgoodcat> .func
[23:38] <bookiebot> help
[23:38] <mrgoodcat> test
[23:40] <wolfger> play that func-y music, mrgoodcat


[04:08] <dibdib> Hello. I have a question about ardour that I tried asking of the Ardour IRC, but I got no reply. I was wondering if it was alright if I asked it here?
[04:09] <ObrienDave> you can only ask
[04:10] <dibdib> Well, I was wondering if Ardour had internal controllers and controller mapping similar to the peak controller and forumula controller that can be found in FL Studio.
[04:11] <ObrienDave> i have no clue. someone here can probably tell you
[04:11] <dibdib> Ah, ok. Thank you for your efforts, regardless.
[04:24] <dibdib> I'll just ask their IRC during more active hours tomorrow, or ask in their forums, then. Thank you folks for making Ubuntu Studio a thing, and being around for support.
[12:23] <studio-user459> how easy is updating 14.04 version to 15.04?


[04:39] <SP33D> emergency :D
[04:39] <SP33D> i did chown -R frank:frank ~/.ssh
[04:39] <SP33D> and i got now only ?? ???? on ls on that dir
[04:39] <SP33D> no permissions i think there is a filesystem bug or else
[04:39] <SP33D> with chgroups
[04:39] <SP33D> cgroups i mean
[04:41] <SP33D> when i su to root i can see all files and they are still owned by frank
[04:42] <SP33D> but as frank i see only red hell
[05:32] <xsacha> i have developed an issue with the beta. not sure if it's just me. everything was running fine and after an update last week, i can no longer use hardware opengl
[05:32] <xsacha> i have to use LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1 or otherwise the opengl windows (like Chrome) don't update
[05:32] <xsacha> dragging the window by the titlebar sometimes shows updates, sometimes doesn't
[05:34] <xsacha> i keep getting these messages in dmesg: [44091.194488] snd_hda_intel 0000:01:00.1: Enabling via VGA-switcheroo [44091.194664] snd_hda_intel 0000:01:00.1: irq 48 for MSI/MSI-X[44096.618073] snd_hda_intel 0000:01:00.1: Disabling via VGA-switcheroo
[06:50] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:42] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[23:24] <tsmith_> Why are the proprietary ati video drivers still an old version?


[08:19] <genkgo> jsalisbury: by any chance had a crashing centos 7? or is still up and running? :)
[09:49] <caribou> xnox: apw: not sure what you're talking about
[09:50] <apw> caribou, i was saying the same, that i have no idea what anyone is talking about here :)
[09:50] <caribou> apw: maybe xnox was talking about the linux-crashdump meta-package; dunno
[09:51] <apw> maybe, didn't we fix that already ?
[09:51] <apw> at least if he means s390x ?
[10:02] <caribou> apw: yes, but after the freeze so it is queued
[10:02] <apw> caribou, ahh ok, then its in hand and will be in the upload tommorrow i assume
[12:24] <tseliot> apw: hey, I'm a little confused, as I can't find any of the drm drivers in the initramfs of my kernel on trusty. Any ideas? (I did lsinitramfs /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-77-generic | grep drm)
[12:30] <jsalisbury> genkgo, The CentOS VM hasn't crashed yet.  I'm going to let it run for just a few more hours.  MS recommended different versions of LIS, so my next steps are to try those different versions and also compare the 3.10 bits to newer kernels that hit the bug.
[12:31] <genkgo> jsalisbury: alright, wonderful, at least it is good to know that the centos machine probably does not have the bug, so we have a starting point
[12:32] <jsalisbury> genkgo, indeed.  I've always been able to reproduce the bug within 9 hours and I'm now at about 15 hours
[12:33] <caribou> smb: anything special to do to get 3270 access from Ubuntu ? I'm trying with x3270 but the telnet connection doesn't establish
[12:33] <smb> caribou, not really
[12:34] <apw> tseliot, we don't normally put them in the initrd unless you need splash before root
[12:34] <apw> which you only need to encrypted root
[12:35] <apw> we only wait for the root device to appear then mount it and pivot before splashing
[13:16] <apw> tjaalton, that i915_bpo failure ... did you notice it is return an error code of 0, which would imply no error
[13:19] <apw> tjaalton, also as this is a load time failure, this should occur before you even know this is a skl or whatever, so how it can fail on one and not the other is beyond me
[13:19] <apw> tjaalton, well unless your /boot/vmlinux is somehow out of sync with your kernel modules
[14:04] <fg__> cking: I'm out for today, but I did some quick tests and bug 1560869 does not trigger here anymore with a manually built <IP_ADDRESS> (based on debian/jessie/<IP_ADDRESS>-2 and vanilla upstream). Will test xenial packages as soon as they are available.
[14:05] <cking> fg__, that's good to hear, the <IP_ADDRESS> passed all my regression tests overnight so we're happy with it so far
[14:58] <cmagina> what is the best way to propose a clean cherry-pick from upstream to xenial?
[15:20] <apw> cmagina, cherry-pick it to the tip of the tree you intend it to be applied and then format-patch it out and mail it in
[15:20] <apw> make sure you -sx when you cherry-pick it
[15:20] <apw> cmagina, though we'd prefer a bug to explain why at this stag
[15:20] <apw> e
[15:24] <cmagina> apw: fair enough, thanks, will do
[15:25] <apw> cmagina, by that i mean a bug files _as_well_ as sending it in and referecned in the patch
[15:25] <apw> see the buglink: s in the tree
[15:25] <cmagina> yup, i understand
[15:26] <apw> (i was being my usual british unclear self)
[15:27] <cmagina> :)
[16:52] <xnox> caribou, apw - yes linux-crashdump meta-package. i assume you have it all in hand, i'm just replying to my old pings =)
[16:56] <apw> xnox, yes, its sitting on the tip of -meta for -16
[16:59] <apw> rtg, make sure you update meta for that ...
[17:05] <xnox> .... after beta-2 please, i don't want to test a respin =/
[17:27] <apw> rtg, yeah i mean its in the core repo, so you should have it in for next time, for the -16
[19:07] <tjaalton> apw: yeah the kbl install could be just messed up somehow, will check when i get back home (sunday)
[19:15] <rtg> apw, ack