[00:10] <bernie> dogi: hola
[00:12] <dogi> hi bernie
[00:48] <bernie> dogi: sorry gotta go now!
[04:07]  * lfaraone is sleeping.
[13:26] <lfaraone> Sorry, I'll probably be in around 10am EST today, since I'm goign to the gym for what would be the first hour of my work.
[13:31] <lool> Hey
[13:31] <lool> Would love discussing status of Sugar in Debian at debconf with attendees
[13:31] <lool> I understand lfaraone is attending
[13:33] <lfaraone> lool: yep. right now I don't think any of the SEETA folk are (developers who are packaging the Sugar activities listed on http://wiki.debian.org/Sugar/tasks)
[13:33] <lfaraone> But IIRC Chris Ball of OLPC will be there.
[13:33] <lool> Cool
[13:33] <lfaraone> alsroot: will you be able to make it to DebConf?
[13:34]  * lfaraone 'd start sponsoring people's work into Debian, but my NM / DD application is waiting on DAM approval.
[14:30] <alsroot> lfaraone: I took a bit different way :), in stead of creating official packages (as I tried, but not so successfully, w/ jhconvert), I'm going to create rpm/dep packages(not in sake of packaging but as an intrument integrated into 0sugar) implicitly from 0sugar spec files
[14:30] <alsroot> ..in OBS
[15:51] <kandarpk> lfaraone: build failed.
[15:51] <kandarpk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/467038/
[15:53] <kandarpk> lfaraone: missed 1 point there ^^, I renamed sugar-pollbuilder-activity_17.orig.tar.gz which I downloaded as Ubuntu package to sugar-pollbuilder-activity_26+git20100521.d4def0b6.orig.tar.gz
[15:54] <kandarpk> and placed it in the parent directory of directory from where I ran debuild
[16:03]  * lfaraone is back.
[16:05] <kandarpk> lfaraone: Hi.
[16:08] <lfaraone> hey kandarpk
[16:08] <lfaraone> kandarpk: wait, you renamed the orig tarball from the *previous* version to the new version?
[16:08] <lfaraone> kandarpk: the orig tarball is supposed to contain the sources for the current version you are packaging...
[16:09] <kandarpk> lfaraone: where do I get the arig tarball from ?
[16:09] <kandarpk> *orig
[16:10] <lfaraone> kandarpk: you either download it from upstream, or in our case, we use "fakeroot debian/rules get-orig-source" to produce it from upstream's git.
[16:10] <kandarpk> lfaraone: Ok.
[16:12] <lfaraone> kandarpk: tell me what the orig tarball should contain, in theory, from your understanding so far.
[16:12] <kandarpk> lfaraone: the initial source without changes
[16:13] <kandarpk> lfaraone: isn't that correct ?
[16:16] <lfaraone> kandarpk: yes. so would it make sense to use the source for an older version and act like it's a new version? (which is what you did when you renamed it)
[16:17] <kandarpk> lfaraone: I thought the original source remains same
[16:17] <kandarpk> even on change of the version
[16:18] <lfaraone> kandarpk: the original source is whatever is released by upstream. it has to match the version you're packaging, since otherwise the delta between the orig and your debian version will include Upstream changes.
[16:18] <kandarpk> lfaraone: Ok, got it.
[16:18] <kandarpk> lfaraone: thanks :)
[16:19] <kandarpk> was living in a different world !
[16:20] <lfaraone> neeraj: did you push up the changes to made to the pristine-tar branch
[16:20] <lfaraone> neeraj: *?
[16:20] <lfaraone> neeraj: in write, that is.
[16:21] <lfaraone> where is ankur?
[16:23] <kandarpk> lfaraone: done. :)
[16:23] <kandarpk> thanks
[16:25] <neeraj> lfaraone, not yet..:( just reached home.. will do that after dinner..
[16:26] <kandarpk> lfaraone: please have a look when you get time :
[16:26] <kandarpk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sugar-pollbuilder-activity/+bug/607949
[16:27] <kandarpk> lfaraone: I think changelog has a mistake.
[16:28] <kandarpk> mentioned unstable, should it be maverick ?
[16:28] <lfaraone> kandarpk: yes, it should.
[16:28] <lfaraone> kandarpk: good catch.
[16:29] <kandarpk> lfaraone: :)
[16:30] <kandarpk> lfaraone: can I directly modify changelog in debian.tar.gz ?
[16:31] <lfaraone> kandarpk: sure, but just this once ;)
[16:43] <kandarpk> lfaraone: I do not have a debian folder now.
[16:43] <kandarpk> lfaraone: if I need to build the package again I'l need to extract it from debian.tar ?
[16:49] <lfaraone> kandarpk: what happeneed to your debian filder?
[16:49] <kandarpk> lfaraone: It isn't there.
[16:50] <kandarpk> lfaraone: sorry, maybe looked in wrong directory
[16:50] <neeraj> lfaraone, I am not sure i got you completely https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-sugarteam/2010-July/001947.html
[16:51] <neeraj> First I made changes in changelog, debian/rules and control.in file
[16:51] <neeraj> and pushed them seperately
[16:52] <neeraj> now, I have cloned it on local machine by using gbp-clone --pristine-rar command
[16:53] <lfaraone> neeraj: right. so you also changed the package name, right?
[16:53] <neeraj> lfaraone, yes
[16:53] <lfaraone> neeraj: so because of that pristine-tar gets confused, it cannot find the delta information in the git pristine tar branch because it's under a different name.
[16:54] <lfaraone> neeraj: to resolve that, you follow the instructions in the linked email to rename the pristine tar information.
[16:54] <neeraj> ok
[16:54] <lfaraone> neeraj: basically, you checkout the pristine-tar branch, mv the files with the old name to the new name, commit, and switch back to master.
[16:55] <neeraj> ok.. git checkout pristine tar,
[16:55] <neeraj> git mv <old orig>.id <new orig>.id
[16:56] <neeraj> git mv <old.orig> delta <new orig>.delta
[16:59] <lfaraone> neeraj: yes.
[17:04] <neeraj> lfaraone, thanks a lot :)
[17:04] <neeraj> now before pushing do I need to run git commit again as I built the package..
[17:14] <lfaraone> neeraj: no, you don't need to run git commit when you just build a package.
[17:14] <lfaraone> neeraj: you should, however, run debuild clean before you commit. :)
[17:15] <lfaraone> kandarpk: have you finished work on s-pollbuilder-a?
[17:16] <kandarpk> lfaraone: do I need to do anything else, except for putting debian.tar.gz on launchpad ?
[17:16] <lfaraone> kandarpk: not IIRC>
[17:17] <kandarpk> lfaraone: then I am done.
[17:17] <kandarpk> :)
[17:20] <lfaraone> kandarpk: just FYI, "Initial release" is only used when it's the first release of a package :)
[17:20] <lfaraone> kandarpk: better would be "new upstream version"
[17:21] <kandarpk> lfaraone: hmmm.
[17:21] <lfaraone> kandarpk: no worries, I just changed the commit change anyway.
[17:21] <lfaraone> * I just changed the changelog message
[17:22] <kandarpk> lfaraone: I am waiting for the day when you'll find it perfectly packaged
[17:23] <lfaraone> kandarpk: :)
[17:23] <lfaraone> kandarpk: if that happened, I'd be out of a job, now wouldn't I? :P
[17:23] <kandarpk> lfaraone: :)
[17:29] <lfaraone> hallo dfarning
[17:29] <dfarning> hey luke, just anded in paraguay
[17:30] <dfarning> rgs_, bernie are you guys around?
[17:30] <dfarning> I just landed in PY
[17:30] <rgs_> dfarning: hey!
[17:30] <rgs_> dfarning: I didnt get (or lost) your itinerary
[17:30] <rgs_> dfarning: I can be there in 20
[17:30] <rgs_> dfarning: leaving now with Bernie
[17:30] <rgs_> dfarning: k?
[17:31] <dfarning> rgs_, thanks.... what a trip.... they lost both of my bags:)
[17:31] <dfarning> I am in the cafe on the second floor
[17:31] <rgs_> dfarning: crap, see you there
[17:32] <dfarning> rgs_, thanks. see you soon.
[17:40] <kandarpk> dfarning: hello, we too are around :)
[17:40] <kandarpk> dfarning: so nice to see you.
[17:41] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: sphinx api present at : /home/dfarning/sugar-jhbuild/install/lib/python2.6/site-packages/sugar....
[17:41] <kandarpk> *not api, the source
[17:42] <kandarpk> manusheel sir, dfarning : and its read only right now.
[17:45] <op_amp> lfaraone, regarding your latest review for record activity, should I just copy text given here http://git.debian.org/?p=collab-maint/sugar-record-activity.git;a=blob;f=COPYING;h=1206c133b56e5600b3bdf4ed72b6062beedb5afb;hb=2251fb5d23e2dd2eeb0d1d9e14cd9d0977a16fca
[17:46] <lfaraone> dfarning: re your mention about hiring me or going to the conference, the conference does cover the cost of your food and your lodgings for zero-cost. nevertheless, I think hiring me was a good idea too :)
[17:46] <lfaraone> neeraj: YES.
[17:46] <lfaraone> * yes.
[17:46] <neeraj> lfaraone, from line 6 to end..
[17:47] <lfaraone> neeraj: yep.l
[17:47] <neeraj> lfaraone, ok.. also i have already included port/* license
[17:47] <lfaraone> neeraj: yes, I mentioned setup.py and port for completion.
[17:47] <lfaraone> neeraj: (I know you have them already listed)
[17:48] <kandarpk> lfaraone: where do I find the package of read activity for Ubuntu ?
[17:48] <kandarpk> https://launchpad.net/+search?field.text=read-activity&field.actions.search=Search
[17:48] <kandarpk> lfaraone: too many results ^^
[17:49] <lfaraone> kandarpk: it was removed in Intrepid (ubuntu.. 8.10?)
[17:49] <neeraj> regarding files : *, I should just change license from GPL to other x11 while Copyright of OLPC?
[17:51] <kandarpk> lfaraone: package isn't available ?
[17:52] <kandarpk> lfaraone: some versions of .deb are present on launchpad
[17:52] <lfaraone> neeraj: I think so. "other-X11", that is.
[17:52] <kandarpk> lfaraone: sugar-read for Lucid:
[17:52] <kandarpk> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sugar-read-activity-0.86/78-3
[17:53] <lfaraone> kandarpk: ah.
[17:56] <kandarpk> lfaraone: should I use sugarteam PPA ?
[17:57] <lfaraone> kandarpk: no.
[17:58] <lfaraone> kandarpk: which version of read would we be updating to, anyway?
[17:58] <kandarpk> lfaraone: Ok.
[17:58] <kandarpk> lfaraone: 86, as was availabe on a.sl.o
[17:59] <lfaraone> kandarpk: well, we should update the activity in Debian first, no?
[17:59] <kandarpk> lfaraone: I've build it on my system
[17:59] <lfaraone> (which I suspect will be already called sugar-read-activity-0.86)
[17:59] <neeraj> lfaraone, one more question, only in these package we have to change * files license to other-X11 or all other activity also?
[17:59] <kandarpk> lfaraone: couldn't push on git.deian.org
[18:00] <lfaraone> neeraj: copyrights are specific for each package.
[18:00] <lfaraone> kandarpk: why not?
[18:00] <lfaraone> kandarpk: you should pull the repo that already exists there, import the new version, and push up.
[18:00] <kandarpk> lfaraone: Jonas has a repo for it there
[18:01] <kandarpk> lfaraone: Oh yes. I should try doing this first.
[18:02] <neeraj> lfaraone, i have made the changes and pushed them. Please review them whenever u get time..
[18:03] <lfaraone> neeraj: cool, mark the request in the wiki tasks page if you would.
[18:04] <manusheel> kandarpk: ok, it is read only.
[18:06] <dfarning> lfaraone, Airfare from my little town is pretty high:(
[18:06] <lfaraone> dfarning: fair enough :(
[18:07] <dfarning> kandarpk, My trip unexpectedly took an extra day.  I'll be back tomorrow morning.
[18:08] <kandarpk> dfarning: np.
[18:16] <neeraj> lfaraone, one question, in write activity, when I m pushing my changes, its showing every this upto date.. why is that?
[18:17] <neeraj> I mean I renamed .delta and .id files in pristine-tar branch and also committed my changes..
[18:25] <manusheel> dfarning: Absolutely fine.
[18:25] <manusheel> kandarpk: The steps are neat.
[18:26] <manusheel> Thank you for sending the document.
[18:26] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: Thanks
[18:26] <manusheel> kandarpk: I'll write to Tomeu on providing us pointers on walking through the code.
[18:26] <manusheel> kandarpk: I would start going through the code path Sugar uses to establish a telepathy connection.
[18:27] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: hmmm, I won't be able to understand much without his help.
[18:27] <manusheel> Did you get a chance to look at this part of the code?
[18:28] <manusheel> kandarpk: Unfortunately, he is not on #sugar IRC channel too.
[18:28] <manusheel> We would have had a remote meeting with him.
[18:28] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: I looked at main.py *if I remember correctly
[18:28] <manusheel> kandarpk: Ok.
[18:28] <manusheel> And, what all inferences we made from it?
[18:29] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: it was very short and didn't had much.
[18:29] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: don't know what the code was meant for.
[18:30] <manusheel> kandarpk: Can you checkout the source code, and send me in an e-mail or put in the dropbox.
[18:30] <manusheel> I'll study it.
[18:30] <lfaraone> neeraj: you should be pushing "pristine-tar", not "master"
[18:30] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: mailing you.
[18:31] <manusheel> kandarpk: Thank you.
[18:32] <manusheel> kandarpk: Will be back in 8 minutes.
[18:35] <neeraj> lfaraone, how to do that.. git push<EMAIL_ADDRESS>pristine-tar
[18:35] <lfaraone> neeraj: yes.
[18:36] <neeraj> is also giving the same output.. Every thing upto date
[18:42] <manusheel> kandarpk: Thank you.
[18:43] <lfaraone> neeraj: that's because your commit is already there: http://git.debian.org/?p=collab-maint/sugar-write-activity.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/pristine-tar
[18:45] <lfaraone> neeraj: :)
[19:05] <neeraj> lfaraone, ohh.. did knew that :)
[19:06] <kandarpk> manusheel sir, lfaraone: may I leave now ?
[19:06] <lfaraone> kandarpk: I don't see why not.
[19:07] <manusheel> kandarpk: Sure, Kandarp.
[19:07] <manusheel> On a separate note, I did understand the source.
[19:07] <manusheel> Pretty easy.
[19:07] <manusheel> You should have gone through init.py first.
[19:07] <kandarpk> lfaraone: what was the first impression of debian.tar ?
[19:08] <lfaraone> kandarpk: it looks good, I'm just testing it against Maverick in a VM.
[19:08] <manusheel> main.py was not the correct starting point towards understanding what this source package is for.
[19:09] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: C has some role to play here
[19:09] <manusheel> kandarpk: C ?
[19:09] <kandarpk> but should have known python uses init.py
[19:09] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: I think you guessed it by now.
[19:10] <manusheel> kandarpk: Are you not familiar with Python programming? Pretty simple, actually.
[19:10] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: no problem regarding python :)
[19:10] <manusheel> kandarpk: Ok, got it.
[19:11] <manusheel> kandarpk: So, you should have started with init.py.
[19:11] <manusheel> That very well explains
[19:11] <manusheel> what all aspects we need to go through.
[19:11] <manusheel> Basically 2 of them -> activities and buddies (users).
[19:11] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: Ok.
[19:12] <manusheel> kandarpk: Once you go through that file, you'll understand what activity.py is doing, what the buddy.py is doing.
[19:12] <manusheel> main.py is very simple.
[19:12] <lfaraone> kandarpk: okay, just realized, your upload is good (probably), but python-abiword does not currently build from source, and is uninstallable in Maverick.
[19:12] <manusheel> kandarpk: For Sugar API documentation, you should have change the permissions of the folder.
[19:12] <kandarpk> lfaraone: Oh.
[19:12] <manusheel> You could have done that easily.
[19:13] <manusheel> kandarpk: We use chmod command.
[19:13] <lfaraone> kandarpk: the build failure is at http://launchpadlibrarian.net/48507267/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-amd64.pyabiword_0.8.0-5_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[19:13] <lfaraone> kandarpk: not a problem with your stuff, but we should look at it nevertheless.
[19:13] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: I thought I wont have privilages to change permissions in David's account
[19:14] <kandarpk> lfaraone: any solution to it ?
[19:14] <manusheel> kandarpk: Wish if you could give a try now.
[19:14] <manusheel> We can then send an e-mail to David.
[19:14] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: giving it a try
[19:16] <manusheel> kandarpk: Great. If it does not work out, we'll send an e-mail to David asking him to get us the rights for this folder.
[19:18] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: $ chmod +w activityhandle.py
[19:18] <kandarpk> chmod: changing permissions of `activityhandle.py': Operation not permitted
[19:20] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: "sudo vi" works :)
[19:21] <manusheel> kandarpk: Great.
[19:21] <manusheel> sudo vi is more than good.
[19:24] <manusheel> kandarpk: See if inserting a doc string named "test doc string" is reflected at http://api.sugarlabs.org/sphinx.
[19:24] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: I'll need to run the script made by David first.
[19:24] <lfaraone> kandarpk: not sure.
[19:25] <kandarpk> lfaraone: Ok, thanks for reviewing :)
[19:25] <lfaraone> kandarpk: once we get the abiword thing fixed, we'll be able to actually publish your work :)
[19:26] <manusheel> lfaraone: I thought Ian fixed it.
[19:26] <kandarpk> lfaraone: can I copy the ssh key under debian ?
[19:26] <manusheel> Ian_Daniher: around?
[19:26] <lfaraone> manusheel: he fixed issues with pyabiowrd in lucid.
[19:26] <lfaraone> kandarpk: sure.
[19:26] <kandarpk> using Ubuntu and need to ssh into api.sugarlabs.org
[19:26] <kandarpk> lfaraone: what do I need to do ?
[19:26] <manusheel> kandarpk: Ok.
[19:26] <manusheel> kandarpk: Yes, Kandarp.
[19:27] <lfaraone> kandarpk: right now, nothing.
[19:27] <manusheel> Kandarpk: You do have the ssh access.
[19:27] <lfaraone> kandarpk: we need to determine why pyabiwrod isn't building
[19:27] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: need to log into debian for that
[19:27] <manusheel> kandarpk: Can you send me an e-mail on it? Will ask Ian to work on it.
[19:27] <kandarpk> using Ubuntu right now
[19:28] <manusheel> He did spend time on pyabiword.
[19:28] <manusheel> Will touch base with Martin Dengler and other Abiword team members.
[19:28] <manusheel> kandarpk: Ok.
[19:28] <manusheel> Yes, you'll need Debian OS.
[19:29] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: Ok, logging into Debian.
[19:29] <manusheel> kandarpk: Ok. Great.
[19:35] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: for some strange reason ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:35] <kandarpk> isn'tworking
[19:35] <manusheel> kandarpk: Was it working earlier?
[19:35] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: yes.
[19:36] <kandarpk> getting Permission denied (publickey).
[19:36] <manusheel> kandarpk: Try kandarp.seeta.
[19:37] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: that didn't work ( as expected )
[19:37] <kandarpk> my username is kandarpk on sunjammer
[19:37] <manusheel> kandarpk: With the same ssh key, you are able to access the other machine, right?
[19:39] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: I've different keys for the machines
[19:39] <kandarpk> one is on debian and second on ubuntu
[19:40] <manusheel> kandarpk: So, the other access is through your Ubuntu key?
[19:40] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: Ok, got it.
[19:41] <kandarpk> had to use Ubuntu only.
[19:41] <manusheel> Ok. :-)
[19:42] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: logged in.
[19:42] <manusheel> kandarpk: Great.
[19:42] <kandarpk> will try running the script now
[19:42] <manusheel> Sure.
[19:55] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: sir, I think the source present in David's home got overwritten
[19:55] <kandarpk> the git clone problem I discussed before
[19:56] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: running the script again to confirm
[19:56] <manusheel> kandarpk: Ok.
[19:56] <manusheel> That is unfortunate to hear.
[19:57] <manusheel> kandarpk: We should try and find a workaround for this issue. Let us report it to David too.
[19:58] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: the script uses
[19:58] <kandarpk> git clone git://git.sugarlabs.org/sugar-jhbuild/mainline.git
[19:58] <kandarpk> before building the HTML pages
[20:00] <kandarpk> lfaraone: does git pull preserves any local changes ?
[20:00] <lfaraone> kandarpk: yes.
[20:00] <kandarpk> Ok.
[20:00] <lfaraone> kandarpk: it might cause a merge conflict, or error out, but it'll not remove old changes.
[20:01] <kandarpk> lfaraone: we'll need a git commit that means
[20:01] <kandarpk> .
[20:01] <lfaraone> kandarpk: in that case, probably yes.
[20:01] <manusheel> kandarpk: Interesting. Yes, we'll need a git commit before.
[20:01] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: I missed that I think
[20:01] <manusheel> I mean after git clone ...
[20:02] <manusheel> kandarpk: Ok.
[20:05] <manusheel> kandarpk: Will be back in 10 minutes. Let me know how did the procedure come along.
[20:06] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: Ok.
[20:40] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: Its working :)
[20:40] <kandarpk> only git commit was required.
[20:40] <manusheel> kandarpk: Congratulations.
[20:40] <manusheel> This is excellent.
[20:40] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: Thanks and same to you.
[20:41] <manusheel> kandarpk: Can you try and insert "test doc string", and see if we are able to view it at the appropriate HTML page.
[20:41] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: I edited a docstring
[20:42] <kandarpk> and changes are present online
[20:42] <neeraj> kandarpk sir, manusheel sir I just went through logs and saw the steps which kandarpk sir followed while packaging pollbuilder-activity and I *think* I understood all steps.. :)
[20:42] <neeraj> *for ubuntu
[20:43] <manusheel> neeraj: Wonderful.
[20:43] <kandarpk> neeraj: they are a bit easy compared to what we learnt over past few days.
[20:43] <manusheel> neeraj: Let us try and package Record on Ubuntu
[20:43] <manusheel> following the steps.
[20:43] <manusheel> kandarpk: Can you send me the URL?
[20:43] <kandarpk> http://api.sugarlabs.org/sphinx/handles.html
[20:44] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: Retrieve our settings as a dictionary _Parameter:_
[20:44] <kandarpk> I inserted Parameter: in the source code
[20:44] <manusheel> kandarpk: Having a look at it.
[20:44] <manusheel> kandarpk: This is great.
[20:45] <neeraj> manusheel, sure, but I was thinking of waiting for luke to give me r+ on that.. Hopefully I have made all required changes which luke asked me to do
[20:45] <manusheel> neeraj: Sure.
[20:55] <manusheel> neeraj: Would you like to package some other activity for a test run?
[20:56] <neeraj> manusheel sir, I m trying to record for the same purpose :)
[20:57] <manusheel> neeraj: Ok :-)
[20:57] <manusheel> Take your time, buddy.
[20:57] <neeraj> kandarpk sir
[20:57] <neeraj> for getting change log of previous package in ubuntu
[20:57] <neeraj> we use apt-get source right?
[20:59] <kandarpk> neeraj: dget
[21:00] <kandarpk> to get the package
[21:43] <neeraj> manusheel sir, I am getting an error while trying to download the source and other files using dget -x *.dsc file. I tried to search on google and solve it but unable to do so :(.. I will do packaging for n activity tomorrow
[21:43] <neeraj> manusheel sir, gn :)


[00:01] <Eickmeyer> vorlon, tjaalton: Bug 1867705 now exists as an SRU. I hope this can be addressed before someone EODs so it doesn't sit all weekend. :)
[05:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted orca [source] (focal-proposed) [3.36.2-1ubuntu1~20.04.1]
[05:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted monitoring-plugins [source] (focal-proposed) [2.2-6ubuntu1.1]
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[05:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted monitoring-plugins [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.2-3ubuntu3]
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[08:31] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, the 2.0.0 of mailnag is compatible with python3 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=936981
[08:34] <LocutusOfBorg> bdmurray, are you willing to test it if I provide you a deb? I can JFDI
[09:45] <LocutusOfBorg> bdmurray, https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/locutusofborg-ppa/+sourcepub/11278563/+listing-archive-extra
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[17:11] <LocutusOfBorg> please accept ignition-transport and bustle! the former helps in moving protobuf transition further along
[17:11] <LocutusOfBorg> ubuntu-archive ^^ :)
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[18:35] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: then someone can upload the 2.0 version of mailnag to unstable and it can be autosynced
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[18:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted bustle [riscv64] (groovy-proposed) [0.7.5-2]
[18:41] <vorlon> so who wants to figure out why xpra ftbfs on armhf with '    assert xvfb_command[0] == 'Xorg'' :P
[19:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gazebo [amd64] (groovy-proposed/universe) [11.0.0+dfsg1-2] (no packageset)
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[20:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted apbs [s390x] (groovy-proposed) [1.5+dfsg1-3]
[21:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: bedtools (focal-proposed/universe) [2.27.1+dfsg-4ubuntu1 => 2.29.2+dfsg-3build2] (no packageset)
[21:11] <Logan> ^ reject please... Accidentally used focal instead of groovy :(
[22:55] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, please repo hint on i386?


[12:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks like fixing the issue
[12:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: but autogen.sh should complain when files are missing in the first place ;)
[12:18] <Tonio_> crappy
[12:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: works this time, and postinst is okay, I'm uploading :)
[12:19] <Riddell> yeah, it caught me out too
[12:19] <Riddell> Tonio_: uploading debtags or adept?
[12:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: debtags first, then I'm doing adept
[12:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: in fact your issue is that svn+ssh in the scripts don't work
[12:20] <Tonio_> you can simply replace by classic svn and run autogen, then modifying the scripts to avoid .diff mess
[12:20] <Tonio_> hum no diff file, so maybe you can even simply change the scripts one and for all :)
[12:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: Adept fixed, but it is probably better waiting for debtags to be build before upload no ?
[12:26] <Riddell> Tonio_: should matter
[12:27] <Riddell> Tonio_: can you get me your debdiff so I can put it in bzr?
[12:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: debtags ?
[12:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: debtags or adept debdiff ?
[12:30] <Tonio_> adept building for tests before upload...
[12:33] <Riddell> Tonio_: adept
[12:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure
[12:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: will send it to you once I tested everything ;)
[12:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: adept works, I'm uploading and will send you debdiff in 2 minutes
[12:48] <Riddell> too late, I'm asleep!
[12:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: email then :)
[12:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: nite
[12:51] <Tonio_> email sent
[02:56] <Mez> darn
[02:56] <Mez> missed Tonio
[03:12] <manchicken> Riddell: You about?
[12:07] <Riddell> manchicken|away: I am now
[12:07] <Riddell> silly adsl wasn't working this morning
[01:31] <Tm_T> Riddell: Ping.
[01:32] <Riddell> hi Tm_T
[01:34] <Tm_T> Riddell: Can you ship 200 Kubuntu and maybe same amount of Ubuntu desktop cds?
[01:35] <Tm_T> Hrr, can't remember english words.
[01:35] <Riddell> Tm_T: I don't ship CDs, you need to ask shipit
[01:35] <Riddell> Tm_T: when for?
[01:37] <Tm_T> I might need them in 2 weeks, there's large happening in this town, not sure yet if there's already some cd's so I'm checking plan b just to make sure.
[01:37] <Tm_T> Riddell: But thanks, I'll ask around.
[01:38] <Riddell> Tm_T: /msg
[01:56] <gnomefreak> are there repos for 3.5.6 yet? I was told it fixes one of the crashing issues in konquerer
[01:57] <Jucato> 3.5.6 hasn't been released yet
[01:57] <gnomefreak> i know that
[01:57] <Jucato> afaik Riddell packages the KDE updates in kubuntu.org...
[02:01] <gnomefreak> why does adept-* conflict with apt-index-watcher?
[02:02] <Jucato> it does?
[02:03] <Jucato> iirc they're both installed by default, adept-* and apt-index-watcher
[02:04] <gnomefreak> Jucato: apt-inex-watcher was removed due to adept upgrades
[02:04] <gnomefreak> index* even
[02:04] <Jucato> strange...
[02:04] <gnomefreak> when you go to install apt-index-watcher it wants to remove all adept packages
[02:05] <gnomefreak> among a few other packages not related to adept afaict
[02:08] <Riddell> gnomefreak: there's a testing one for feisty
[02:08] <Riddell> gnomefreak: new adept should be in today to fix that
[02:09] <gnomefreak> ah ok cool
[02:09] <Jucato> hooray for Riddell! :)
[02:09] <gnomefreak> where can i find the repo for the testing one i looked at kubuntu.org but its not there yet
[02:10] <Riddell> Jucato: adept was tonio
[02:10] <Jucato> oooh.. hooray for Riddell and Tonio then :)
[02:10] <Riddell> gnomefreak: deb http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kde-356-feisty/ feisty main
[02:10] <gnomefreak> ty
[02:10] <Riddell> let me know how it works
[02:10] <gnomefreak> will do
[03:32] <gnomefreak> Riddell: im guessing kubuntu-desktop was also uploaded to fix the apt-index-watcher conflict. that leaves 2 more packages (i think ubuntu-devels packages) need to be rebuilt ;) thank you
[03:34] <Riddell> gnomefreak: nothing new in kubuntu-desktop
[03:34] <Riddell> gnomefreak: what's this about packages needing rebuilt?
[03:35] <gnomefreak> Riddell: they all conflict with apt-index-watcher (depends issues) afaik to fix depends the packages need to be rebuilt
[03:36] <Riddell> gnomefreak: only debtags and adept depended on apt-index-watcher
[03:37] <gnomefreak> i also have kubuntu-desktop and language-selector-qt as conflicts
[03:37] <gnomefreak> this is on 3.5.5
[03:37] <gnomefreak> they are removed along with the adept and debtags
[03:40] <gnomefreak> Riddell: here is the info on what im talking about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libapt-front/+bug/80426
[03:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 80426 in libapt-front "removal of apt-index-watcher leaves startup links" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[03:53] <bddebian> Heya
[04:08] <MidMark> Edgy has freeze problems with dual core?
[04:08] <MidMark> since today that I have a new dual core instead of single core I have a freeze -> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2036/
[04:10] <Riddell> MidMark: I've not heard of any such problems
[04:11] <MidMark> Riddell: I'm quite sure that i a dual core problems, because Edgy never freezed like this with single core
[04:17] <sebas> No problems here on AMD X2 and Intel Core Duo.
[04:17] <sebas> Which graphics driver are you using?
[04:18] <manchicken> Riddell: Did you get my patch?
[04:19] <sebas> Nvidia, obviously.
[04:20] <manchicken> Binary nvidia drivers can do the whole hanging thing.
[04:20] <manchicken> ATI ones do it more frequently though.
[04:21] <sebas> Or maybe the vmware modules
[04:22] <manchicken> Eww... who would run a perfectly good Kubuntu install in vmware?
[04:22] <manchicken> It should be free to roam your box, not locked up inside vmware.
[04:22] <manchicken> I'm gonna cry now.
[04:23] <Riddell> manchicken: no, where is it?
[04:23] <manchicken> Riddell: Sent it over the mailing list (kubuntu-devel) like 2 days ago.
[04:23] <Riddell> Mutt: ~/mail/inbox [Msgs:16184 New:1796
[04:23] <Riddell> guess it's somewhere in there :)
[04:24] <manchicken> Nice.
[04:24] <manchicken> Kontact supports filters ya know ;)
[04:27] <Riddell> manchicken: you committed and pushed it to bzr too?
[04:34] <MidMark> sebas: nvidia
[04:34] <MidMark> sebas: so drive related?
[04:34] <sebas> Dunno, try with nv and see if it comes back, then try without the vmware modules, see if it comes back and so on
[04:34] <MidMark> ok thanx
[04:35] <sebas> It looks like it's going wrong somewhere in Xorg, so I'd check that first.
[04:36] <MidMark> at the moment it happens only one time
[04:38] <manchicken> Riddell: I tried to.  But I went to sftp to my home on bazaar.launchpad.net, and the folders for the branches were there, but they were empty.
[04:39] <Riddell> manchicken: ok, I'll take a look in a bit
[04:39] <manchicken> I'm convinced that manchicken is a hard-coded failure case in bazaar ^_^
[04:40] <manchicken> if (strcmp(getenv("USER"),"manchicken") == 0) { exit 1; }
[04:40] <manchicken> ^_^
[04:52] <fdoving> manchicken: they are supposed to be 'empty'. it's all in .bzr/
[04:52] <manchicken> Ahhhh..
[04:53] <manchicken> Nobody tells me this stuff.
[04:53] <manchicken> ;)
[05:01] <Riddell> manchicken: looking at the patch, how does it actually work out if a package is in main?
[05:01] <fdoving> for example: bzr co sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu
[05:01] <Riddell> "p.section(string("/")).find("/") == string::npos" ?
[05:02] <manchicken> Riddell: The pattern I noticed is that main packages actually have a section without a prefix and a slash.
[05:02] <Riddell> mm, right, so if it's universe/foo then it's not main
[05:02] <manchicken> e.g., kate is in the "kde" section"
[05:02] <Riddell> ok, good work batman
[05:02] <manchicken> Bet your ass it's good work ;)
[05:03] <manchicken> Took me 2 weeks to figure out that we were just overridding the text() method of KListViewItem, and then that I could get away with doing the same for the pixmap() method.
[05:03] <manchicken> We should document that somewhere.
[05:05] <Riddell> oh, so that's how it's done
[05:05] <manchicken> Yup.
[05:05] <Riddell> nifty
[05:05] <manchicken> Quite clever.
[05:23] <Riddell> kwwii: devel team meeting tonight at 21:00.  you don't have to come but if you've nothing else to do it might be an idea to say what your plans are for the sprint and feisty
[05:23] <Riddell> well, maybe you don't know that until you get there and talk to people
[05:24] <kwwii> Riddell: yeah, I have a meeting with mark and scott on monday to discuss all this, but I will show up anyway
[05:24] <kwwii> that is 21:00 your time, or?
[05:24] <Riddell> UTC
[05:24] <Riddell> 22:00 yours
[05:25] <kwwii> cool
[05:25] <kwwii> see you then
[05:51] <manchicken> Nice, I tell a guy to paste something in the pastebin in #kubuntu, and he starts pasting in the channel and won't stop.
[05:51] <abattoir> manchicken: that's mostly because he's already pasted, and it takes a long time for everything to be pasted due to the lag
[05:52] <abattoir> :)
[05:52] <jdong> manchicken: he probabably started pasting before
[05:52] <manchicken> Ah.
[05:52] <manchicken> Didn't think about that.
[05:52] <jdong> heh abattoir beat me
[05:52] <manchicken> Very hard to read text files in IRC.
[05:52] <jdong> manchicken: no kidding :)
[05:52] <jdong> not to mention the annoyance level to everyone else :)
[05:53] <manchicken> Yeah.
[05:53] <manchicken> Annoyance is temporary.
[05:53] <vinboy> wat font do you guys use for this chatting?
[05:53] <Jucato> also, once you paste multiple lines, to the one who pasted it, it seems like it shows up all at once. but to others, it seems like hes pasting it line per line and doesnt stop...
[05:53] <vinboy> i'm yet to find the best font for this
[05:53] <manchicken> If it actually provided some benefit I could ignore it.
[05:53] <Riddell> vinboy: -> #kubuntu
[05:53] <vinboy> ok
[05:55] <jdong> abattoir: a wild question..... is this forum profile related to you: http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=220944
[05:55] <Riddell> manchicken: adept patch looks good, committed and uploaded, many thanks
[05:55] <manchicken> Groovy.
[05:56] <manchicken> I still want to do the tooltip.
[05:56] <manchicken> But I probably won't get to that until Saturday.
[05:56] <manchicken> But I wouldn't consider that necessarily a "show-stopper."
[05:56] <Riddell> yeah, I can't see an easy way to do that
[05:56] <Riddell> but it must be possible
[05:56] <manchicken> Eh, qpixmap inherits from qwidget IIRC, so I think I'll just make a hover-over tooltip for it.
[05:57] <manchicken> And I should probably hit up a documenting-type-person to give me content.
[05:57] <abattoir> jdong: no, it's not me
[05:57] <Riddell> manchicken: something else that should be easy but important is to have adept_batch close after it's done installing
[05:57] <manchicken> As I am clueless when it comes to writing copy.
[05:57] <Riddell> manchicken: fancy looking at that too?
[05:57] <manchicken> Sure.  Got a spec?
[05:58] <manchicken> And do you consider that higher priority than tooltip?
[05:58] <jdong> abattoir: ok good
[05:58] <manchicken> I can leave that up to doccer's if you want... but I'd like to communicate what's up to them.
[05:58] <Riddell> manchicken: same spec, feisty adept changes
[05:58] <abattoir> jdong: mine is just abattoir
[05:58] <Riddell> manchicken: it's about the same priority, they're both usability issues
[05:58] <manchicken> Riddell: You'll also notice my patch will make it easier to add columns in the future ;)
[05:58] <Riddell> manchicken: I do indeed, you should e-mail it to mornfall too
[05:59] <manchicken> I thought he was on kubuntu-devel
[05:59] <Riddell> don't see him
[05:59] <Riddell> oh, the mailing list, I doubt he reads it much
[06:00] <manchicken> I'll see if he's on kde-devel
[06:02] <manchicken> Seems like he's idling.
[06:02] <Riddell> or doing something more important than watching IRC :)
[06:03] <Jucato> heh :)
[06:03] <Jucato> like working
[06:07] <manchicken> WHAT?!  There's something more immportant than watching IRC?
[06:08] <manchicken> Nobody tells me this stuff.
[07:43] <kwwii> lol
[07:43] <kwwii> "just intsall ubuntu-desktop"
[07:43] <kwwii> yeah, only that wants to install another x-server, gdm, etc
[07:47] <nixternal> yup :)
[07:47] <nixternal> kwwii: that is what you get for using the dark side
[07:48] <manchicken> heh
[07:48] <nixternal> although, this silly logic class using the darkside, that being MS and VB.NET, 2 useless software packages
[07:53] <kwwii> lol
[07:53] <kwwii> that is what I get for trying to earn a living
[08:04] <mhb> kwwii: trouble?
[08:05] <kwwii> mhb: nothng that amazing, no
[08:05] <kwwii> wow, my wlan works
[08:05] <kwwii> how nice
[08:05] <kwwii> my first laptop in which wlan works without any stress
[08:08] <kwwii> now I get it...
[08:08] <kwwii> no not use adept
[08:08] <kwwii> do
[08:09] <kwwii> which network manager should one be using in kde?
[08:10] <manchicken> I use wifi-radar for wireless management.
[08:10] <manchicken> It's nice.
[08:10] <RadiantFire> wireless assistant works fairly well
[08:10] <RadiantFire> sometimes...
[08:10] <kwwii> hrm
[08:10] <manchicken> But I've had some success with knetworkmanager
[08:10] <RadiantFire> I am using knetworkmanager right nwo also
[08:10] <manchicken> I've never had luck with wireless assistant.
[08:10] <manchicken> But I only use wifi-radar anymore.
[08:10] <kwwii> and what is network-manager-kde?
[08:10] <RadiantFire> same thing
[08:11] <RadiantFire> its an alias or something
[08:11] <manchicken> yeah
[08:11] <kwwii> gotcha
[08:11] <manchicken> That's the package ^_^
[08:19] <Riddell> kwwii: knetworkmanager
[08:19] <kwwii> Riddell: thanks, got it (and it works!)
[08:19] <kwwii> yippee
[08:19] <kwwii> using adept seems to hide important console options...scared the life out of me
[08:20] <Riddell> kwwii: like what?
[08:20] <kwwii> when I installed ubuntu-desktop is notices that you install gdm as well and offers you the choice of which one to use
[08:21] <kwwii> I saw the first line in adept but couldn't choose and option
[08:21] <kwwii> using apt it worked
[08:21] <Riddell> yes, that's a known problem
[08:21] <Riddell> I'm working on it
[08:21] <kwwii> ;-)
[08:37] <Tonio_> hi all
[08:47] <Tonio_> hey pinheiro ;)
[08:48] <mhb> hi Tonio_
[08:49] <Tonio_> hi mhb !
[08:49] <Tonio_> it is calm here......
[08:49] <mhb> Tonio_: better than outside
[08:49] <Tonio_> time for me to start polishing the kde desktop and settings.....
[08:49] <mhb> nasty wind out there
[08:49] <Tonio_> mhb: are you german ?
[08:49] <Tonio_> if yes the wind you have is the one I had this morning :)
[08:51] <mhb> Tonio_: czech
[08:51] <mhb> Tonio_: but yes, it's probably the same one
[08:52] <Tonio_> mhb: afaik the wind is going from west to east
[08:52] <Tonio_> probably the same indeed
[08:54] <allee> Tonio_: mhb has to wait a bit more.  Wind reached now Munich ;)
[08:55] <Tonio_> allee: ah... not the same in that case hehe
[08:55] <Tonio_> allee: fancy helping me fixing fontconfig ?
[08:55] <Tonio_> allee: you were successfull helping me to fix debtags yesterday :)
[08:56] <allee> Tonio_:  If you say it, I have to beleave it :)
[08:56] <Tonio_> allee: the svn connection was to build a new version of debtags with correct tags in it
[08:56] <Tonio_> allee: and has you have much better knowledge of debian access than I do, that helped a lot :)
[08:57] <Tonio_> allee: the problem wit fontconfig is that Deja Vu and Sans fonts are broken
[08:57] <Tonio_> I'm just having a look
[08:58] <allee> Tonio_: fwiw I installed feisty this afternoon and they look clearer than in edgy
[08:58] <allee> s/they/the default/
[08:58] <Tonio_> allee: in fact Deja VU is crappy with size 9, too clear
[08:59] <Tonio_> and concerning Sans, it looks like arial for some reason
[08:59] <Tonio_> while it is supposed to be carbon copy of deja vu
[08:59] <Tonio_> I don't understand the point
[09:07] <allee> Tonio_: isn't sans justs an (deprecated) for any font with sans-serif?  (at least fonts.conf claims it)
[09:07] <allee> s/for/name for/
[09:08] <Tonio_> allee: I was talking about the Sans Serif font
[09:08] <Tonio_> but I can't the package including this one
[09:09] <Tonio_> I'm testing dejavu currently
[09:13] <allee> yeah, I see.
[09:14] <allee> Tonio_: uhm, when change to DejaVu, style changes from normal to light despite the fact that normal is available :(
[09:14] <Tonio_> allee: yup that's the problem
[09:15] <allee> Tonio_: no, even when I change to normal the font looks different to Sans-Serif
[09:15] <Tonio_> yeah that's what I don't understant
[09:15] <Tonio_> deja vu, sans serif and bitsteam vera are supposed to be carbon copy afaik
[09:15] <Tonio_> unless I'm wrong but that's what I remember
[09:16] <Tonio_> allee: well dejavu render seems okay as long as you don't define light....
[09:16] <Tonio_> but why did that changed to light automatically ?
[09:17] <Tonio_> allee: is there a way to set that light is the default ?
[09:18] <allee> Tonio_: hmm, I switched to cursiv and changed fonts: cursiv is kept.  Switched to normal, now normal is preserved when switching between DejaVu Sans and Sans Serif
[09:18] <Tonio_> yeah same here....
[09:18] <Tonio_> very strange.....
[09:19] <Tonio_> maybe I can fix that with kubuntu-default-settings..... I'll have a loog
[09:19] <Tonio_> look
[09:19] <Tonio_> but there is something messing with fonts....
[09:19] <Tonio_> very strange
[09:19] <allee> mhm, dingsbats looks like Sans Serif
[09:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning fonts how about switching kds to dejavu ? it looks like the only correct font at the moment....
[09:43] <hunger> Is it known that adept-common conflicts with adept-notifier over /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/128x128/actions/adept_notifier_warning.png?
[09:43] <Tonio_> hunger: really ?
[09:43] <Tonio_> hunger: I'm having a looks
[09:44] <hunger> Tonio_: Well, at least that is why adept-common won't install here.
[09:44] <Tonio_> hunger: no issue here...
[09:44] <Tonio_> hunger: feisty ?
[09:44] <Lure> hunger: I think this is transient error - icons were moved to common and on upgrade they get conflict
[09:44] <hunger> Tonio_: Yes.
[09:45] <Lure> hunger: just do dpkg -i --force-overwrite and apt-get upgrade again
[09:47] <Lure> hunger: what else can you expect from alpha software ;-)
[09:47] <Tonio_> hunger: what do you mean ?
[09:47] <kwwii> lol
[09:47] <Tonio_> hey kwwii ;)
[09:47] <kwwii> that is why I gave up trying to install feisty
[09:47] <kwwii> hi Tonio_
[09:47] <Tonio_> I don't have any issue with feisty
[09:47] <kwwii> Tonio_: I do...big time
[09:47] <Tonio_> it looks even more stable than edgy in my case
[09:47] <hunger> Tonio_: I rebooted and suddenly my encrypted user partitions (the stuff mounted in /home/username) are no longer decryptable.
[09:48] <kwwii> and now that I got a new laptop, I am not going to install it on it
[09:48] <Tonio_> hunger: what an idea to crypt a partition on a home computer :)
[09:48] <kwwii> even though it would probably work much better than it did on my laptop
[09:48] <hunger> Tonio_: It is a laptop and it does contain company data that I prefer not to have in the wild if I ever happen to forget the computer somewhere.
[09:48] <kwwii> erm, my ppc laptop that is
[09:49] <Tonio_> hunger: in that case crypting the all hard drive is much better
[09:49] <Tonio_> hunger: and not linked with the os :)
[09:49] <kwwii> a funky red light was coming out of the side...sometimes it would boot, sometimes not...and after a while it would crash sometimes
[09:49] <kwwii> :p
[09:49] <hunger> Tonio_: I have everything encrypted that is mounted writeable.
[09:49] <Tonio_> hunger: yeah but do you crypt via the os ?
[09:50] <hunger> Tonio_: Yes, I do.
[09:52] <Tonio_> hunger: I'm searching the name of a software I used that was running between the bios and the os :)
[09:52] <hunger> Tonio_: What good does that do?
[09:52] <Tonio_> that's a way more efficient way to crypt a hard drive..... but I can't recall the name of that
[09:52] <hunger> Tonio_: Linux does not use the BIOS;-)
[09:52] <Tonio_> hunger: between the boot loader and the OS, sorry :)
[09:53] <manchicken> Don't forget about the clock ^_^
[09:53] <Tonio_> bot bery good fot the performances, but very cool since there is no interaction between the soft and the os, so that you avoid problems in between
[09:55] <Tonio_> hunger: you should look for seagate Momentus 5400 FDE.2
[09:56] <hunger> Tonio_: Nah... I don't trust that:-)
[09:56] <Tonio_> hunger: 2.5 inches hard drive crypted
[09:56] <Tonio_> hunger: ah... :)
[09:56] <hunger> Tonio_: And it is sooo small, too.
[09:56] <Tonio_> well it is crypted via the hdd firmware
[09:56] <Tonio_> too small ?
[09:57] <Tonio_> 160 GB :)
[09:57] <hunger> Tonio_: It has 80GB max when I last looked.
[09:57] <Tonio_> hunger: I can see 160 here...
[09:57] <hunger> Tonio_: Hmmm.... well, then I could get one:-)
[09:57] <Tonio_> hehe
[09:58] <hunger> Tonio_: it would probably be OK to store encrypted filesystems on;-)
[09:58] <Tonio_> hunger: hope you never loose any password, because recovering will be a pain
[09:58] <Tonio_> I generally HATE crypted things....
[09:58] <hunger> Tonio_: Well, actually I try not to use too sophisticated controller hardware on my data storage...
[09:58] <Tonio_> when the stupid user looses datas, how am I supposed to restaure them ?
[09:59] <Tonio_> I had the problem with Coca Coca France big boss 3 years ago..... pure nightmare
[09:59] <hunger> Better to do stuff in software... at least you do not need to try and figure out the exact firmware revision of a fried piece of hardware then when it fails.
[10:00] <Tonio_> hunger: better is not to crtypt and be sure everything is on the network and not on the user's computer
[10:00] <Tonio_> i he needs datas to work home, then vpn + sb is the key
[10:00] <Tonio_> nothing on the laptop is the better option in my opinion :)
[10:01] <Tonio_> hunger: raid 5 I assume ?
[10:01] <hunger> Tonio_: Of course... only the best for the company I worked back then;-)
[10:01] <Tonio_> hunger: I hate raid5 for the same reason....
[10:02] <Tonio_> the only good option is raid0 over raid1
[10:02] <Tonio_> but that's expensive :)
[10:02] <Tonio_> raid1 over raid0 sorry :)
[10:02] <Tonio_> raid1 is so much better to work with in case of problem..... raid5 is the absolute nightmare of the sysadmin :)
[10:03] <Tonio_> with crypted hard drives for the stupid VIP of course :)
[10:03] <Tonio_> "I lost my email archive, can you (not to say you must) restore it ?"

[10:04] <Tonio_> that happened to often in my short life....
[10:04] <hunger> Tonio_: Well, we do make backups when the laptop is in the company (and the partitions are mounted unencrypted).
[10:04] <hunger> Tonio_: This is only to offer some kind of protection when somebody leaves the laptop in a taxi or something.
[10:05] <Tonio_> hunger: yes, but the stupid user generally needs the data that came this morning, the unsaved one :)
[10:05] <Tonio_> that's why I hate them :)
[10:05] <Tonio_> they always loose the only non-saved thing.....
[10:05] <hunger> Tonio_: We are a small company with highly technical people:-) They can manage.
[10:06] <Tonio_> hunger: I generally work as sysadmin for hudge companies, with absolutly non experimented people
[10:06] <hunger> Tonio_: I had to do that for a while, too:-)
[10:06] <Tonio_> which don't understand they can do errors
[10:06] <Tonio_> everything is "the informatics fault"
[10:06] <Tonio_> the worse company ever is Cartier
[10:07] <hunger> Tonio_: used to be a printer admin in a multinational company that thought it would save money to have one printserver per region (europe, america, asia) only.
[10:07] <Tonio_> they are on the top of the world, so of course any data loss is windows fault, of outlook fault....
[10:07] <Tonio_> hunger: yeah I also HATE when the money guys take the right to make technical choices.........
[10:08] <Tonio_> I H*A*T*E them........
[10:08] <Riddell> any #kubuntu ops around
[10:08] <Tonio_> "reduce the number of servers -> one domain controller per country with active directory -> small bandwith with 90% of the store"
[10:09] <Tm_T> Riddell: ?
[10:09] <Tonio_> "but make sure to save the 400 GB of mails via the network every day"
[10:09] <apokryphos> Riddell: sure
[10:09] <Tm_T> Riddell: What?
[10:09] <Riddell> apokryphos: anouk could do with a kick
[10:09] <Riddell> Tm_T: ^^
[10:09] <apokryphos> keeping an eye out, yup
[10:09] <Tonio_> hunger: I've seen this too.......... great moment.... 4 month calculating everything, optimising this, to go back since that couldn't simply work
[10:09] <hunger> Tonio_: Well, 1 printserver with > 15k printers connected is fun, too. Especially since printing is "mission critical".
[10:09] <Tonio_> of course everyone knew it would fail from the first day, but we had to do it.....
[10:10] <Tm_T> Oh my, I'm halfblind there, sorry guys.
[10:10] <Tonio_> 15000 ???????
[10:10] <hunger> Tonio_: It was a *BIG* printserver... 128CPUs and everything:-)
[10:11] <Tonio_> hunger: very usefull when it fails........
[10:11] <Tonio_> hunger: I also HATE big servers, I prever to have lots of little machines dedicated for one task
[10:12] <Tonio_> hunger: hudge machines are a pain to maintain....
[10:12] <hunger> Tonio_: Well, it did print all labels... so with the printserver down *nothing* could get moved into storage or onto a truck in the region in question.
[10:12] <Tonio_> I never went over 32 cpus, but that's already too much
[10:12] <Tonio_> hunger: that's why I prefer to have several machines, even if that means more crashes
[10:12] <Tonio_> at least everything doesn't depen on the same server
[10:13] <hunger> Tonio_: I agree. It was not my idea!
[10:13] <Tonio_> that's why I also HATE sap and all erps
[10:13] <Tonio_> way too critical....
[10:13] <hunger> Tonio_: Once a collegue messed up and there was no printserver for 18h straight. After 30min every production line had to be stopped.
[10:13] <Tonio_> +much
[10:14] <Tonio_> hunger: of course that's obvious....
[10:14] <Tonio_> the problem is that the money guys beleive the commercials that ensure them it'll work 99.999% uptime
[10:14] <Tonio_> bullshit
[10:14] <hunger> Tonio_: They took a hefty fine when one plant could not get the trucks supplied with the papers they need and they caused a traffic jam that blocked an highway for several hours.
[10:15] <ryanakca> hunger: sounds fun...
[10:15] <Tonio_> nothing is better than having 100*1000$ dell servers to manage
[10:15] <hunger> Tonio_: Well, the IBM salespeople tell you otherwise... and the management liked IBM there.
[10:15] <Tonio_> hunger: I hope the guy that took the decision got fired.....
[10:16] <hunger> Tonio_: It was all the fault of my poor coworker... nothing the management could be blamed for.
[10:16] <Tonio_> hunger: yeah ibm loves to sell heavy machines with the support + maintainance etc...
[10:16] <Tonio_> but the life shows that's not the best option to what I know
[10:16] <manchicken> IBM doesn't know how to make fing database though.
[10:16] <Tonio_> hunger: of course, that's never their f*cking fault.....
[10:17] <manchicken> DB2/UDB is the shittiest database I've ever used in my entire life.
[10:17] <Tonio_> it's never a structure issue, always a human one.......
[10:17] <manchicken> On what planet is it okay to create a shared lock when you select instead of setting up a cursor buffer?
[10:17] <hunger> Tonio_: IBM sucks... came in with 4 people to support us on when we had to physically move the box in the data center. None of them was allowed to touch the machine so that any trouble could not get blamed on IBM.
[10:18] <manchicken> I miss working with postgres.
[10:18] <hunger> Tonio_: So our two people had to push that monster of an mashine through the datacenter with 4 people giving encouragements:-)
[10:18] <manchicken> Though I suppose it's my fault.  I left the old job.
[10:18] <hunger> Ah, the good old times:-)
[10:20] <Tonio_> hunger: sounds fun ;)
[10:21] <kwwii> mhb: the more I use polyester the more I like it
[10:24] <mhb> kwwii: really? :o)
[10:24] <kwwii> mhb: definitely
[10:24] <kwwii> I'd like to look at qtcurve too
[10:26] <mhb> kwwii: sure, may the best ... theme win :o)
[10:26] <kwwii> yepp
[10:26] <kwwii> I wish there was a package for kubuntu edgy for it
[10:29] <RadiantFire> for what, polyester
[10:29] <RadiantFire> there is
[10:30] <kwwii> RadiantFire: no, for qtcurve
[10:30] <kwwii> the biggest problem with changing things now is that we are starting so late in the game
[10:36] <mhb> kwwii: true
[10:37] <mhb> kwwii: I think I could find the time to do some changes in either one if one of them gets approved
[10:38] <kwwii> mhb: cool...in the meantime, I guess I am the one who will get to approve things art-wise
[10:38] <kwwii> we should really get people to test it and see what they think
[10:38] <kwwii> but failing that, a decision could simply be made
[10:42] <mhb> I thought some dev folks already expressed their opinions
[10:42] <mhb> but it's not enough information, I know
[10:44] <kwwii> yeah
[10:45] <Mez> who does the kubuntu side of things for UWN ?
[10:45] <kwwii> we really need people who do not code kubuntu to test it
[10:46] <lotusleaf> Mez: you could ask in #ubuntu-marketing, I've always wanted more kubuntu articles :)
[10:46] <Mez> lotusleaf, well I've been granted an interview with a guy at a uni who changed around 300 PCs to kubuntu
[10:46] <lotusleaf> Mez: sweet!
[10:47] <lotusleaf> Mez: in addition to UWN, isn't the Ubuntu.com site also looking for related stories?
[10:47] <mhb> Mez: nixternal does some of it
[10:47] <kwwii> yeah, I was going to say nixternal too
[10:48] <lotusleaf> Mez: ping berg
[10:48] <lotusleaf> Burg rather
[12:01] <Hobbsee> Riddell: are we testing 3.5.6 still?
[12:02] <allee> Hobbsee: is 3.5.6 for feisty final?
[12:02] <kwwii> morning Hobbsee
[12:03] <Hobbsee> allee: as in, will it go into feisty?  yes
[12:03] <Hobbsee> hey kwwii!
[12:03] <allee> Hobbsee: thx, then I update test here.


[14:34] <cmaloney> Morning
[14:36] <stink_> yo
[14:38] <cmaloney> How's the day so far?
[15:44] <greg-g> shitty, woke up with a headache and my day is full of meetings that need above-average brain power (1:1s with folks that need more coaching than average, for instance)
[15:55] <cmaloney> Oh fun
[15:55] <cmaloney> hoping the headache subsides
[16:09] <greg-g> made a moka pot of coffee, took some (store brand) excedrin, and drank some fresh squeezed orange juice (thank god for socal fruit trees (not ours))
[16:09] <greg-g> we'll see
[16:18] <cmaloney> Good luck
[16:19] <cmaloney> Have a meeting with the oncologist in the afternoon
[16:19] <cmaloney> so that's fun
[16:19] <cmaloney> likely to discuss treatment and next actions
[16:25] <greg-g> <3