[00:06] <ubotu> New bug: #181143 in bzr "inventory sha1 is not checked during routine operation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181143
[00:13] <abentley> In xml5, those sha1s are not reliable, because there are two xml5 serializations.
[00:13] <mtaylor> anybody have a problem with a little patch to allow the passing of a File() object in the output param of cmd_send._run() ?
[00:15] <lifeless> abentley: we should _always_ have the sha1 in the revision and that of the inventory match within a given repo
[00:16] <lifeless> abentley: if they don't, then  check and reconcile should allow correcting that / reporting on discrepancies
[00:17] <lifeless> abentley: so what I ened is a InterDiffingSerializer that also does Model1To2 stuff
[00:20] <lifeless> abentley: is _install_revisions used by bundles?
[00:21] <abentley> Yes.
[00:21] <lifeless> so I think we generate check errors from it
[00:21] <lifeless> search for 'FIXME: TODO: The following loop *may* be overlapping/duplicate'
[00:22] <abentley> Old bundles only.
[00:22] <lifeless> oh, new bundles don't use it?
[00:22] <abentley> They don't use it for file texts.
[00:22] <abentley> Not sure about the rest, but I think not.
[00:23] <lifeless> hmm, I think CommitBuilder may fit in there now
[00:23] <abentley> For old bundles?
[00:23] <abentley> I think Jelmer had something that used it.
[00:24] <lifeless> heres what I'd like to do. I'd like to allow InterDiffereringSerializer to match (non-rich-root, rich-root|subtree)
[00:24] <lifeless> and use CommitBuilder in install_revisions which will take care of the differences automatically
[00:25] <lifeless> does that sound ok to you?
[00:26] <abentley> Seems okay.
[00:26] <lifeless> cool
[00:26] <abentley> Wait,
[00:26] <jelmer> abentley: I don't use install_revisions() anymore
[00:26] <lifeless> did you see the iter_inventories patch?
[00:26] <abentley> What about the tree_root knit?
[00:26] <lifeless> abentley: commit builder abstracts that out
[00:26] <abentley> Okay.
[00:27] <lifeless> you add the root, and a rich root repository will add an entry; non rich ones will assert that the revision is unmodified etc
[00:27] <abentley> What about Inventory.revision ?
[00:28] <lifeless> thats the inventories creation id so set by the commit
[00:29] <lifeless> IIUC
[00:29] <abentley> When converting from plain to rich-root, we assume the root revision changes every commit.
[00:30] <lifeless> right; the old tree has inv.root.revision == inv.revision
[00:30] <lifeless> so the commit builder will see those revisions when writing to a rich root repo
[00:31] <lifeless> I'm going to start a new isolated branch for this
[00:31] <lifeless> I'll make sure there are tests
[00:31] <abentley> Doesn't the commit builder have all sorts of clever logic determine the file's revision?
[00:31] <lifeless> yes, thats what we're missing in install_revisions which causes it to generate bad file graphs
[00:32] <lifeless> you're wondering if it will overwrite the information during conversion
[00:32] <abentley> If the commit builder commits to a rich-root repo, won't it assume the root revision should not change?
[00:35] <lifeless> yeah, I'll need to extend the api to be able to force this
[00:35] <lifeless> which is fine, it'll still be cleaner I think
[00:35] <mtaylor> jelmer: mtaylor@solace:~/src$ bzr svn-import --trees http://code.djangoproject.com/svn django
[00:35] <mtaylor> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "http://code.djangoproject.com/svn/django/branches/queryset-refactor/".
[00:46] <poolie> abentley, hi
[00:55] <abentley> poolie: hi
[00:56] <poolie> abentley, are you working at canonical now?
[00:56] <abentley> No, next week.
[01:06] <jelmer> mtaylor: You may want to remove the entry for django in ~/.bazaar/subversion.conf
[01:06] <mtaylor> jelmer: really? what's that entry for?
[01:07] <jelmer> remembers the branching scheme so it doesn't have to be recalculated each time you use bzr-svn
[01:07] <mtaylor> ah
[01:09] <mtaylor> how very, very weird
[01:09] <jelmer> ?
[01:10] <mtaylor> jelmer: I tried to do an svn-import of http://reviewboard.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/reviewboard
[01:10] <mtaylor> and it "worked"
[01:10] <mtaylor> except it left stuff out
[01:10] <mtaylor> or
[01:10] <jelmer> what sort of stuff did it leave out?
[01:10] <mtaylor> directories and stuff
[01:10] <mtaylor> the djblets dir for one
[01:10] <jelmer> you would probably want to import the full repository
[01:11] <jelmer> not just a part of it
[01:11] <mtaylor> yeah... sorry. I meant... http://reviewboard.googlecode.com/svn
[01:11] <mtaylor> (bad cut-n-paste)
[01:11] <jelmer> where should djblets be?
[01:12] <mtaylor> the trunk has one dir, reviewboard
[01:12] <mtaylor> and djblets should be in that dir
[01:12] <mtaylor> at least, it is when I do an svn co
[01:12] <jelmer> I don
[01:12] <jelmer> 't see it in the Svn webview
[01:13] <jelmer> are you sure you subversion checkout is up to date?
[01:13] <mtaylor> yeah - I didn't see it there either :)
[01:13] <mtaylor> I did this:
[01:13] <mtaylor> svn co http://reviewboard.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ reviewboard-read-only
[01:14] <mtaylor> ls reviewboard-read-only/reviewboard
[01:14] <mtaylor> accounts      contrib       __init__.py  README                  settings.py
[01:14] <mtaylor> AUTHORS       COPYING       iphone       reports                 templates
[01:14] <mtaylor> autogen.sh    devserver.sh  m4           reviews                 test.py
[01:14] <mtaylor> ChangeLog     diffviewer    Makefile.am  scmtools                urls.py
[01:14] <mtaylor> conf          djblets       manage.py    server.sh               utils
[01:14] <mtaylor> configure.ac  htdocs        NEWS         settings_local.py.tmpl  webapi
[01:14] <mtaylor> which I find _exceptionally_ odd
[01:15] <lifeless> externals perhaps ?
[01:16] <jelmer> yup, externals
[01:16] <jelmer> mtaylor: bzr-svn doesn't support externals yet
[01:16] <mtaylor> aha
[01:16] <mtaylor> stupid svn people and their externals :)
[01:53] <lifeless> abentley: still around ?
[01:53] <abentley> I can answer a quick one.
[01:53] <lifeless> when we load a non rich roots inventory, is inv.root.revision set correctly?
[01:54] <lifeless> that is, is it set == inv.revision
[01:54] <abentley> I remember working on that, so I'd expect so.
[03:08] <dlee> I know we don't yet have line-ending stuff in bzr, but is there any way to get CRLF line endings from cvsps-import, or is that strictly an issue of what cvsps itself puts out?  I think it might be in Bazaar territory because --use-cvs doesn't change anything, and without it,
[03:08] <dlee> I think Bazaar uses direct RCS access.
[03:08] <fullermd> It pretty much takes what comes out of the RCS files.
[03:09] <dlee> ...and RCS includes in its spec (or at least CVS does) that line endings should be LF only.
[03:09] <dlee> CVS converts per OS on checkout.
[03:10] <dlee> Interestingly, I got expected behavior (OS-proper endings) using Tailor, but cvsps-import gave me LF-only everywhere.
[03:10] <dlee> and Tailor missed all my CVS tags. :P
[03:13] <fullermd> One guess is because tailor checks out the files into a tree to work on, while cvsps-import just captures the file versions from stdout.
[03:17] <dlee> Hmm... but I'd think stdout would be OS-translated too... so is this even sensibly addressable in Bzr or cvsps-import, or would it have to be in cvsps?  Or somewhere else... maybe a cvsps wrapper that converts line endings--but that sounds dangerous without knowledge of file types etc...
[03:17] <fullermd> cvsps just synthesizes the changesets.  cvs or co is used to get the file versions.
[03:19] <dlee> My cvs checks out with CRLF though; this is why I'm surprised --use-cvs didn't help.
[03:20] <fullermd> Yeah, but co'ing a dir tree doesn't necessarily give you the same thing as 'co -p'ing a file version to stdout.
[03:20] <winzo_> I'm trying to capture bzr output test for use within a bash script. I've tried several things and googling proved fruitless. Anyone know what I'm missing?
[03:20] <winzo_> text*
[03:21] <dlee> I can test that anyway; it's a good start.  Thanks much. :)
[03:22] <winzo_> i.e., echo " $( bzr update ) " > myfile
[03:22] <dlee> (I have some 40 projects I want to talk my company into moving from CVS to Bazaar, and they're all in CVS; so the plan is to come up with a nice clean conversion plan, then pull it off, and then start demonstrating pros :)
[03:23] <spiv> winzo_: just "bzr update > myfile", surely?
[03:23] <winzo_> You'd think so. But it didn't work.
[03:23] <winzo_> A newline char gets written, though. :?
[03:24] <dlee> What command are you using for your test? (bzr command I mean)
[03:24] <spiv> Possibly "bzr update > myfile 2>&1" then.
[03:24] <spiv> (to capture stderr as well as stdout)
[03:24] <dlee> that's where I was heading...
[03:25] <winzo_> That was it! Looks like I was re-directing wrong. :D
[03:25] <winzo_> Thanks guys!
[03:28] <indu> how to install webserve
[03:31] <dlee> fullermd:  cvs update -p produces CRLF here.  Does --use-cvs literally make cvsps-import run the cvs command on my path?
[03:34] <fullermd> AFAIK.
[03:37] <dlee> Filing a bug for lack of a better idea...
[03:39] <indu> could some one please help in installing webserve
[03:46] <lifeless> indu: If I can make a suggestion. Ask specific questions.
[03:46] <lifeless> indu: e.g. 'When I XXX YYY happens'
[03:56] <ubotu> New bug: #181161 in bzr-cvsps-import "Line endings go from CRLF to LF under Cygwin, but not with Tailor" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181161
[03:59] <lifeless> dlee: have you tried without cygwin? cyginw does some file mode seting magic
[04:00] <dlee> I don't happen to have a non-Cygwin cvsps, though I do have a non-cygwin cvs I think.
[04:02] <indu> lifeless, i am not knowing the procedure of installing webserve
[04:03] <indu> lifeless, i have seent he docs folder of the webserve source, where there is a README.txt file, which is giving information about how to configure webserve
[04:03] <indu> which is to be done after the installation, of webserve, and no info about the installation procedure
[04:04] <indu> its in python coding
[04:05] <spiv> indu: the README.txt has a section titled "Install"
[04:06] <indu> spiv, yeah, its in the last line of the README, I am sorry, i missed seeing it. thanks
[04:06] <indu> spiv, but without knowing this, i have done the copying of the webserve into the plugins fodler
[04:07] <indu> and then I have done the proper configurations also in the apache.conf file
[04:07] <indu> then I started webserve, using #bzr webserve --port=9099 "Official repository" http://localhost:9099/bazaar/
[04:08] <indu> now, when I am trying to access the http://localhost:9099/bazaar, its displaying nothing on the browser
[04:08] <indu> Unbale to connect
[04:09] <spiv> Running "bzr webserve ..." has no relation to Apache AFAICT.
[04:10] <spiv> i.e. you run that command to run it as a standalone server.
[04:29] <indu> spiv, now i have dont the all the explained configurations, and when i am accessing, through http://localhost/bazaar, my apache error.log is showing the mesage as
[04:29] <indu> http://pastebin.com/m6e80c8b0
[04:36] <spiv> indu: it sounds like you don't have bzrlib properly installed
[04:37] <lifeless> woot, it pulls
[04:37] <spiv> indu: oh actually, that looks like a bug in the webserve plugin
[04:38] <spiv> indu: put "import bzrlib.commands" in the webserve plugin's __init__.py
[04:39] <spiv> indu: or just change the line that says "import bzrlib" to say "import bzrlib.commands"
[04:42] <indu> any idea about this error message
[04:47] <dlee> If I do bzr send ... > outfile, then email outfile to a committer, (I) is this the best way to submit code changes where I can't commit/push, and (II) can the committer select among my (possibly multiple) commits in outfile easily and apply at will, in whole or in part?
[04:48] <spiv> dlee: (why not just run "bzr send", and let it start the email client for you?)
[04:48] <dlee> I'm afraid so far my emailings of this sort have just been typo fixes in comments, but I assume those are still of use.
[04:49] <spiv> dlee: yes, that's a good way to give your changes to someone else
[04:49] <dlee> Hehehe, good idea but this box isn't set up very well for that.  This is Windows+Cygwin without Windows mail or well-configured Cygwin SMTP... mea culpa :)
[04:49] <spiv> dlee: they get all the revisions that you added, so they can do with them everything you can locally
[04:49] <spiv> dlee: including examine individual revisions, etc.
[04:49] <spiv> dlee: ah, I see :)
[04:50] <indu> spiv, yeah, now i can see something in my browser, but an error message, saying section not found
[04:50] <dlee> Cool...because one thing I just saw involves a misspelled class name, and the author may wish not to mess with that
[04:50] <indu> where as I have the repositories in the approprate lcoation
[04:51] <spiv> indu: I'd guess there's a problem with the configuration file for webserve, but I have no experience with that myself.
[04:51] <spiv> indu: so I can't offer much help on that
[04:52] <fullermd> Of course, if they cherrypick revs, you lose the identity.  But if upstream is in CVS anyway, it hardly matters...
[04:52] <dlee> There must be a way to grab --mail-to from bzr log or somesuch though...
[04:53] <spiv> fullermd: yeah, but "bzr send" doesn't make that situation any better or worse.
[04:53] <dlee> Oh this is for Bazaar plugins actually.  I don't know Python (yet), so the best I can do so far is to send typo fixes while I read code and docs...
[04:53] <fullermd> Yeah.  `send` is uninvolved in that part of the process.
[04:54] <indu> anyone else there, who can help me in this please
[04:54] <dlee> I read with a talking computer, and it seems to catch types of spellos that more easily escape the eye... if you type "Don't forget you hat," I'll catch it right quick; but if you type "Seems theirs a bug here," I won't...
[04:57] <fullermd> Whereas that latter instantly grabs my eye and makes me want to beat the perpetrator with a 2x4   :p
[04:57] <dlee> hehehe
[05:03] <indu> hmm, there seem to be a mistake in the my webserve conf file, could some one please correct it, http://pastebin.ca/846269
[05:05] <ubotu> New bug: #181165 in bzr-webserve ""import bzrlib" should be "import bzrlib.commands"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181165
[05:05] <spiv> indu: it would help to also tell people what the error you are getting is.
[05:07] <indu> spiv, my error is on the browser only, and it has lot of details, i think i can take a screenshot and send, any site where I can upload the screenshots images
[05:08] <indu> in simple, my Error messages on my browser says that ,, section not found: None
[05:08] <indu> Section Not found
[05:13] <indu> no one here, who can provide me help in webserve ?
[05:13] <dlee> Spiv: fwiw, bzr send direct to email now works here--nicer indeed.  I may be the only Windows user using Mutt though....
[05:13] <spiv> dlee: :)
[05:21] <fullermd> Well, surely there's at least one other sensible Windows users in the wor...   no, you're probably right.
[05:22] <dlee> fullermd :)
[05:24] <dlee> fullermd: btw, I tried checking through cvs-import code, and now I wonder if subprocess.popen() is capable of being told something that might help with the line ending conversion issue--but that's a taller stack of stuff to paw through than I want to start tonight...
[05:26] <fullermd> Well, that's waay over my head   :)
[05:29] <dlee> Does the cvs-import guy come in here?
[05:34] <fullermd> Oh, yes, he's in here most days.  But he's in my TZ; it's almost midnight now.
[05:35] <fullermd> He's usually here during the day (say, 1500-2300Z).
[05:35] <dlee> Nick?
[05:36] <fullermd> jam or jam-laptop or some such.
[05:37] <fullermd> The list would probably also be a good place to check.
[05:50] <dlee> Since I submitted a bug on the cvsps-import line ending issue, if I do manage a code fix that works in my strange environment, would I be better to send it to Jam or somehow paste or attach it into the bug report?
[05:52] <spiv> dlee: you can attach patches to bugs
[05:52] <spiv> dlee: or even upload a branch to launchpad and link it to the bug.
[05:53] <dlee> Ah, the former doesn't surprise me but I didn't spot how to do it; the latter is beyond me to date...
[05:53] <dlee> but sounds cool
[05:54] <jamesh> dlee: you can add attachments in followups to a bug report
[05:54] <jamesh> we don't currently have a way to create an attachment when the bug is filed.
[05:58] <dlee> jamesh: gotcha; explains how I missed it.
[06:10] <mtaylor> jelmer: you around? is there any way to do an svn import do that svn tags show up as bzr tags and not bzr branches?
[06:12] <fullermd> svn has tags?   ;)
[06:14] <jamesh> fullermd: as much as they have branches ...
[06:39] <indu> no help in webserve i can get here?
[06:40] <lifeless> indu: you've been getting help; its a shame it hasn't been enough to sort it all out yet.
[06:40] <lifeless> indu: I suggest mailing the list; goffredo reads the list and he knows all about webserve
[06:42] <fullermd> lifeless: Oh, hey, it just mentally penetrated that you're fiddling with inventories...
[06:43] <fullermd> lifeless: How amenable is our current setup and/or your work to referencing unchanged files?
[06:46] <lifeless> fullermd: EPARSE
[06:46] <mtaylor> is svn2bzr still in work? or has bzr-svn pretty much supplanted it?
[06:46] <fullermd> lifeless: `bzr ci --unchanged -m'foo' asdf.c ; bzr log --limit=1 asdf.c (check for 'foo')`
[06:47] <lifeless> fullermd: it won't record that
[06:47] <lifeless> fullermd: a new version of asdf.c isn't recorded, nor does the metadata about it change.
[06:48] <fullermd> Does it require major surgery to do so?
[06:48] <lifeless> yes
[06:48] <lifeless> whats the use case
[06:48] <fullermd> Conversions, for one thing.  Forced commits are very common in the CVS world for making notes on files (updating incorrect commit messages, etc)
[06:49] <fullermd> Losing that information would make 'log $FILE' misleading at best.
[06:49] <fullermd> And with --unchanged existing in bzr, one can imagine doing similar things; if we need --unchanged, we can just as well need to reference files in it, and having 'log' not show those revs would be Wrong.
[06:50] <lifeless> so two things
[06:52] <lifeless> conversions
[06:52] <lifeless> hmmm
[06:52] <fullermd> Of course, the very thought of "high fidelity CVS conversion" is giggle-inducing.
[06:53] <fullermd> But still.
[06:54] <lifeless> I think this is worth raising; the conversion argument is not strong - because the upshot of that argument is being a usperset of everything, good bad and ugly
[06:54] <fullermd> Just a thought; ISTM that it's something we otter be able to represent, so as long as we're rototilling inventory handling anyway it's a capability to bear in mind.
[06:54] <lifeless> the argument about 'what is --unchanged for' is however really good
[06:54] <lifeless> if --unchanged is to allow logging extra information, there's no good reason you can't tickle some files in passing
[06:55] <lifeless> we can represent a new change in the per file graph in the current disk format
[06:55] <lifeless> the surgey is in the commit code is all
[06:55] <lifeless> and in UI, to diferentiate between 'selecting' and 'annotating'
[07:04] <fullermd> 'k.  Should I file a bug, or open up a list discussion?
[07:04] <lifeless> discussion i think
[07:04]  * fullermd nods.
[07:05] <fullermd> Good 'nuff.  Thanks.
[11:59] <jelmer> mtaylor: No, bzr-svn doesn't support creating tags yet, that's an open bug.
[17:45] <ignas> hi
[17:46] <ignas> how do i release a lock on a launchpad repository ?
[17:46] <ignas> i have lost the connection during the initial stage of a push
[17:46] <LarstiQ> ignas: tried bzr break-lock <remote/url>
[17:47] <ignas> thanks
[18:12] <samiam> hi all
[18:13] <samiam> quick question
[18:14] <samiam> I was trying to install bzr v1.0 onto a ubuntu feisty install and I am getting the following error "Failed to fetch http://bazaar-vcs.org/releases/debs/feisty/./Packages.gz  MD5Sum mismatch"
[18:14] <samiam> does anyone have an idea if it  is possible for me to fix this on my end or must I wait for changes at the bazaar site?
[18:15] <samiam> there is the obvious alternative that I can install from source, but I liked being able to apt-get the newest release... it will significantly beat version .15 that I have now
[18:17] <Odd_Bloke> samiam: What did you add to your sources.list?
[18:17] <luks> I don't see the actual deb files for feisty there
[18:17] <samiam> Odd_Bloke: deb http://bazaar-vcs.org/releases/debs/feisty ./
[18:17] <luks> but you can use http://launchpad.net/~bzr/+archive which seems to have them
[18:18] <samiam> I followed the instructions provided on http://bazaar-vcs.org/DistroDownloads
[18:21] <samiam> thanks luks
[18:21] <samiam> looks like getting it from launchpad works properly
[18:23] <mtaylor> BAH! The link from bazaar-vcs.org should be changed to the PPA
[18:25] <jelmer> mtaylor: Well, PPA doesn't build stuff for feisty and dapper yet afaik...
[18:25] <elmo> jelmer: sure it does?
[18:25] <elmo> oh, rather, PPA itself can
[18:25] <elmo> the packaging would probably need altered to be able to build on all those
[18:25] <mtaylor> jelmer: I see bzr packages for dapper-gutsy
[18:26] <jelmer> elmo: oh, ok. when was that added?
[18:27] <jelmer> elmo: last time we discussed this (a bit before the holidays iirc) PPA supported only gutsy and hardy
[18:27] <elmo> jelmer: don't know actually, someone only pointed it out to me in the last week or so
[19:18] <thumper> is there any way I can ask a branch what locks it has?
[19:26] <Peng> thumper: I think 'bzr status -v' gives some information.
[19:27] <thumper> Peng: ta
[19:28] <thumper> Peng: it seems that status requires a working tree
[19:28] <thumper> Peng: which I don't have
[19:28] <statik> hi!
[19:28] <statik> if I want to convert a subversion repository to bazaar
[19:28] <Peng> thumper: Sorry, I meant info, not status.
[19:29] <statik> and I have a lot of tags in my subversion repo (from every nightly build), what is the best way to get that tag info into bazaar without importing every single tag branch?
[19:29] <thumper> Peng: oh, ok, it isn't showing anything about locks
[19:29] <Peng> thumper: Even with -v?
[19:29] <thumper> yeah
[19:30] <thumper> morning statik
[19:30] <statik> hey there thumper
[20:13] <dlee> Ok I'm *sure* I'm missing the obvious this time, but... if I have 320 revs in my local branch but I need to undo just revision 313, how do I do it?  I'm used to applying what amounts to a reverse patch, then committing rev 321... but I've never done it in Bazaar.
[20:16] <LeoNerd> You can merge it in reverse
[20:16] <LeoNerd> bzr merge -r 313..312
[20:17] <Peng> Might need to use: bzr merge -r 313..312 .
[20:17] <Peng> (with the . at the end)
[20:21] <dlee> Ah... I hadn't put the . for merge branch, so I was getting an error.  Why does "bzr merge -c313 ." say "all changes applied successfully" but appear to do nothing at all?  (Granted that was an experiment...)
[20:23] <Odd_Bloke> dlee: Check 'bzr status'.
[20:25] <dlee> Odd_Bloke:  I must be fine; "bzr status --versioned" is empty.
[20:26] <dlee> ...and "bzr diff" is also empty.
[20:26] <dlee> Peng: Worked, thanks.
[21:17] <fullermd> dlee: '-c313' means '-r312..313', not '-r313..312'.  And it's expected to do nothing, since it's an attempt to merge something you already have.
[21:19] <dlee> fullermd:  That was my guess, but I experimented to see if it would figure out (from having nothing to do otherwise) that I wanted to go the other way. :)  I was just surprised it said nothing about it, except to indicate success at doing nothing.
[21:20] <dlee> Is there a shortcut for reversing just one revision?  I think subversion would do -C313.  That was confusing to me when I saw it, but I'm slipping Bazaar methods into a project hand-over report and making them look as easy as pie so people might start liking Bazaar as much as I do. :)
[21:20] <dlee> -r313..312 is good enough otherwise.
[21:25] <Peng> hg has a backout command.
[21:39] <dlee> peng: Could be done pretty quick with a plugin I bet.
[21:45] <Peng> Probably be done with an alias.
[21:46] <Peng> What the heck?
[21:46] <Peng> .bzr/repository.backup?
[21:48] <lifeless> hmm, side effect of a failed upgrade most likely
[21:48] <Peng> I didn't know anything other than '.bzr.backup' was used.
[21:48] <Peng> I ran a 'find' and upgrade to pack-0.92 to upgrade branches a couple days ago.
[21:48] <Peng> Repos were already updated.
[21:48] <Peng> There was only a 'repository.backup' directory, no 'repository' directory.
[21:49] <mtaylor> hey guys - given a MergeDirective - what's the best way to get a list of revisions contained within it
[21:49] <Peng> And a .bzr.backup was created.
[21:49] <mtaylor> I'm guessing I want to get deserialize the MergeDirective.bundle, right?
[21:49] <lifeless> Peng: strange; care to file a bug with any info you can think of that might be relevant?
[21:50] <Peng> Ok.
[21:50] <Peng> Very little info though.
[21:51] <mtaylor> ah... found it
[21:52] <Peng> Bug 145812, perhaps?
[21:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 145812 in bzr "Upgrade can leave a broken repository (with backup)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145812
[21:53] <lifeless> Peng: so the repository is not working at all ?
[21:53] <Peng> I renamed it back to 'repository' and it's fine.
[21:54] <poolfool> I have been using bzr under linux for a while now, I am now trying to get a National Instruments (NI) LabView (LV) project under revision control with bzr (1.0.0); my project directory has sub directories with whitespace (proj/a sub proj). This seems to cause problems when I try to branch.
[21:55] <poolfool> I get the error "bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "C:/Documents and .../Desktop/proj/a sub proj". what am I doing wrong? Does bzr on Microsoft Windows not handle whitespace as well?
[21:56] <lifeless> it should
[21:58] <GaryvdM> is "proj/a sub proj" the dir you are branching from, or to?
[21:58] <poolfool> Just for a point of refrence, 'bzr branch "proj" "proj.a"' works fine ...
[21:58] <poolfool> important ... note the ' " '
[21:59] <poolfool> GaryvdM: branching from
[22:00] <GaryvdM> And if you go into that dir, is there a hidden directory called .bzr?
[22:00] <poolfool> GaryvdM: So ... on a linux machine what I think I would type is "bzr branch proj/a\ sub\ proj proj/a\ sub\ proj.b"
[22:00] <Peng> Ah ah.
[22:01] <Peng> I just checked .bzr.log.
[22:01] <Peng> It is the bug I mentioned earlier.
[22:01] <poolfool> GaryvdM: Under 'proj' there is a folder .bzr; under the folder 'proj' "bzr status" returns nothing. ie. every file in there (including 'a sub proj') are under bzr control.
[22:02] <GaryvdM> on windows what you would type is: bzr branch "proj\a sub proj" "proj\ a sub proj.b"
[22:03] <Peng> lifeless: Comment?
[22:03] <GaryvdM> I think your branch is "proj" - not "proj\a sub proj"
[22:04] <lifeless> Peng: what bug earlier ?
[22:04] <Peng> Bug 145812.
[22:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 145812 in bzr "Upgrade can leave a broken repository (with backup)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145812
[22:04] <Peng> You triaged it a few months ago. :)
[22:04] <poolfool> GaryvdM: Yep ... I was trying to branch an individual sub directory in the project ... not the whole project. My Bad.
[22:04] <Peng> Trivial to reproduce.
[22:05] <Peng> bzr init --pack-0.92-subtree; bzr upgrade
[22:05] <lifeless> ok
[22:05] <lifeless> I have no browser right now, will check it later
[22:05] <Peng> You don't have a browser open?
[22:06] <lifeless> nope
[22:06] <lifeless> performance testing
[22:06] <lifeless> need the memory for cache
[22:07] <Peng> Ah.
[22:08] <Peng> With that 20-second commit I do with hg, when Firefox is really chewing RAM, it can take over a minute. :)
[22:08] <lifeless> yah
[22:26] <ubotu> New bug: #181367 in bzr "bzr update should work in a treeless bound branch" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181367
[22:47] <poolie> good morning
[23:05] <statik> hello! when I try to run bzr qcommit under gnome (ubuntu 7.10 gutsy), I get a window with no window decoration. When I run qtconfig, I get normal looking window decoration. Do I need to do anything special to make qbzr get window decoration?
[23:16] <jelmer> statik: luks is the person you would want to talk to, when he's around
[23:16] <statik> jelmer: ok, thanks
[23:16] <statik> I did try just a very simple pyqt application, and I get window decoration
[23:16] <statik> and I don't see any errors in ~/.bzr.log
[23:23] <jelmer> lifeless: Now that PPA supports Dapper, Edgy and Feisty, do you have any plans to move the bazaar-vcs.org debian repo to PPA or would you rather keep it separate because of the signing?
[23:26] <mtaylor> statik: the best way to fix that is to use pygtk
[23:26] <statik> mtaylor: did you know qbzr already has the commit message save and restore in it?
[23:26] <mtaylor> really?
[23:26] <statik> yep
[23:26] <mtaylor> SWEET
[23:27] <statik> you'll need to modify it to handle per-file commit messages, but that should be not so hard


[00:07] <JonathanD> hello Sadin
[00:07] <Sadin> hi JonathanD
[00:07] <Sadin> i thought id join since i live in PA too
[00:07] <Sadin> even though im not an adult lol
[00:09] <JonathanD> welcome
[00:10] <Sadin> So what do you do?
[00:10] <JonathanD> I'm the sysadmin for a small finance co, myself.
[00:11] <Sadin> Oh wow that counds cool
[00:11] <Sadin> im a Web developer and i also enjoy using photoshop :)
[00:12] <JonathanD> I don't do anything for ubuntu, exactly, but I do organize events in the area.
[00:12] <Sadin> ill be graduating 10th grade this year :)
[00:12] <Sadin> oh what are the different types of events again
[00:13] <JonathanD> for ubuntu or in general?
[00:13] <JonathanD> There are loco meetings, I'm not sure when the next one is... thats an ubuntu thing.
[00:13] <JonathanD> Where in PA, generally?
[00:13] <Sadin> im by Reading
[00:13] <JonathanD> ah
[00:14] <JonathanD> theres quite a bit of "tech stuff" in and around philly
[00:14] <Sadin> oh cool
[00:14] <Sadin> doubt ill be able to go till im 18 and have my license :)
[00:14] <Sadin> where are you from?
[00:15] <JonathanD> Philly area.
[00:16] <Sadin> yeah im about an hour from philly
[00:16] <Sadin> just finished my 3rd ubuntu install :)
[00:20] <ChinnoDog> Reading.. mmm, Chipotle. I wish I had a burrito.
[00:21] <jedijf> ChinnoDog's gonna do an Ubuntu Hour near Sadin soon; just to prove his parents' correct
[00:21] <jedijf> or her....
[00:21] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: What are you trying to say?
[00:21] <Sadin> his*
[00:22] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: trying to get an 'out there' ubuntu hour, and i guess parents should think that, but attend and see we're mostly norma;
[00:22] <jedijf> normal too
[00:22] <Sadin> does anyone know why my ubuntu 11.04 install is not wanting to use duel moniters correctly
[00:22] <jedijf> or call the police; whatever motivates them
[00:22] <ChinnoDog> That doesn't happen /every/ time. hehe.
[00:23] <jedijf> Sadin: i guess the place to start would be your video card; lspci and see what card; then google
[00:23] <rmg51> it just has to happen once :P
[00:24] <Sadin> jedijf what do i need the driver?
[00:24] <ChinnoDog> Sadin: be sure you run an update before you start debugging. Video problem could already be fixed.
[00:24] <Sadin> ohhhhhh
[00:24] <Sadin> yeah i forgot to sudo apt-get update
[00:24] <ChinnoDog> That is what usually happens after release. Many problems fixed in first two weeks but you don't get the patches until you update.
[00:25] <Sadin> can i get anyones opinion on this besides its bad quality http://zachsnyder.deviantart.com/#/d3gz1vh
[00:25] <PennBot> Title: ZachSnyder on deviantART (at zachsnyder.deviantart.com)
[00:25] <Sadin> yeah i forgot lol
[00:27] <ChinnoDog> Don't forget about guidelines if you want to use it: http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/ubuntu-brand-guidelines/
[00:27] <PennBot> Title: Ubuntu Brand Guidelines « Canonical Design (at design.canonical.com)
[00:27] <ChinnoDog> Your graphic needs to be antialiased.
[00:31] <Sadin> ChinnoDog alright it also looked better in gimp because i didnt realise but at the time it was being viewed in gimp at 66% zoom
[00:33] <Sadin> nope duel moniters arent working even after update...
[00:33] <Sadin> they work but my background gets all screwed up
[00:34] <ChinnoDog> And restarting? peeps plz don't lynch me. If you installed new kernel you need to restart. If you installed new driver you need to restart X.
[00:34] <Sadin> i restarted
[00:34] <Sadin> ill try restarting again but
[00:34] <Sadin> i did already :/
[00:34] <ChinnoDog> No, you don't need to restart again
[00:35] <Sadin> ok
[00:35] <ChinnoDog> Back to what jedijf was saying. Time to check video driver problems.
[00:35] <ChinnoDog> But, you said they work aside from the background?
[00:35] <Sadin> yes
[00:35] <ChinnoDog> Then it probably isn't a video driver problem.
[00:36] <jedijf> Sadin: explain background
[00:36] <Sadin> its all white lines and black lines
[00:36] <Sadin> and fuzzy and staty
[00:36] <Sadin> staticy
[00:36] <Sadin> but the side panel and top panel appear just fine
[00:37] <Sadin> and now my second moniter just shut off on its own and reverted to single moniters
[00:38] <Sadin> ugh its all weird now when i drag a window it looks like its cloning it
[00:39] <jedijf> Sadin: i would log out, log back in to a gnome classic seesion(no effects) and see what it looks like
[00:39] <jedijf> session
[00:39] <Sadin> alright trying that now
[00:41] <Sadin> wow this looks just like the 10.10 distro
[00:41] <Sadin> and its actually working
[00:42] <jedijf> ok, just wanted to remove the unity variable
[00:42] <jedijf> Sadin: now to troubleshooting
[00:42] <jedijf> Sadin: lspci
[00:42] <Sadin> whats that?
[00:43] <jedijf> that command will list your pci devices;
[00:43] <Sadin> ok
[00:43] <jedijf> you will need your video card info to google; someone else probably has experienced and solved
[00:44] <jedijf> google your card, and unity and dual monitors
[00:44] <Sadin> ok i am now
[00:45] <pleia2> Sadin: can you email the rss feed of your blog to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and I'll get it added when I have a chance
[00:45] <pleia2> (running to dinner now)
[00:45] <Sadin> yeah sure :
[00:45] <Sadin> :)
[00:45] <jedijf> pleia2: it may be time to give ChinnoDog some admin powers
[00:45] <pleia2> jedijf: indeed!
[00:46] <jedijf> and me too, since most of the previous admins are out of state
[00:46] <jedijf> and we seem to be here...even though ChinnoDog keeps threatening dc
[00:47] <Sadin> jedijf :/ all there are are forums of people yelling my problem... lol no fixes
[00:47] <ChinnoDog> hehe
[00:48] <pleia2> heh, yeah bts and lamalex are the other two
[00:48] <pleia2> maine and louisiana!
[00:49] <Sadin> ugh...
[00:50] <Sadin> my card is reported to have unity and compiz issues...
[00:50] <Sadin> what do i do now...
[00:50] <Sadin> its not fixed its stilla reported bug :(
[00:50] <ChinnoDog> What kind of card do you have?
[00:50] <Sadin> Radeon x300
[00:50] <jedijf> Dual Screen wallpaper
[00:50] <jedijf> Ubuntu 11.04 has a new option for displaying wallpaper, “Span”. Time to hit up your favorite site for images that work on dual monitor setups.
[00:51] <jedijf> Sadin: try the span option, see if that fixes the unity wallpaper
[00:51] <Sadin> jedijf its not just the wallpaper
[00:51] <Sadin> when i move a window it looks like theres multiple copies of the window in a trail following wher i moved the window
[00:52] <Sadin> and they stay imprinted on the background
[00:52]  * Sadin might just try arch linux for his desktop and leave ubuntu for laptop
[00:54] <ChinnoDog> That just means it isn't redrawing
[00:54] <Sadin> :( well thats a bug
[00:55] <Sadin> unless i use ubuntu 10.10
[00:55] <Sadin> that should work
[00:56] <jedijf> or you said gnome was working, so 11.04 with gnome
[00:56] <Sadin> well how would i get it to use gnome by default
[00:59] <jedijf> login window,
[00:59] <rmg51> System/Admin/Login Screen
[00:59] <ChinnoDog> The burrito finally called loud enough. bbl
[01:15] <Sadin> Guess i gotta use Gnome till a fix for unity comes out :P
[01:20]  * rmg51 is going to wait until 11.10 comes out :-/
[01:56] <jthan> ooh boy. one second
[01:57] <jthan> there we go
[02:05] <andrew> hrm?
[02:05] <PennBot> hello andrew
[02:05] <jthan> I'm back in black
[02:06] <andrew> Oh Really?
[02:06] <jthan> Yup.
[02:07] <andrew> How's jthan been?
[02:07] <jthan> Decent. I'm ready for summer
[02:07] <andrew> one more month
[02:07] <jthan> Yeah. A long month
[02:15] <jthan> andrew: done anything exciting lately?
[02:15] <andrew> passed the lead climbing test at PRG on Friday
[02:15] <jthan> What does that entail?
[02:15] <andrew> the test?
[02:15] <PennBot> the test is a separate thing, andrew
[02:15] <jthan> Yeah - and what are the benefits of passing?
[02:16] <andrew> benefits of passing: allowed to lead climb at PRG
[02:16] <jthan> Outside?
[02:16] <PennBot> I guess Outside is pretty messy, but its mostly blowing around, jthan
[02:17] <andrew> jthan: They can't control outside
[02:17] <jthan> *shrug* I don't know what this lead climbing thing is you speak of :-P
[02:17] <andrew> PRG = philly rock gyms
[02:18] <andrew> jthan: lead climbing is where you take the rope up with you, instead of "top roping" where the rope starts anchored at the top
[02:18] <jthan> So you just climb up with no safety?
[02:19] <andrew> no, you clip in as you go
[02:19] <andrew> http://www.freewebs.com/thefirstascent2/Leadclimbingawesomepix.gif
[02:20] <jthan> I don't get the point
[02:20] <jthan> haha
[02:21] <andrew> there are often a number of routes that can't be climbed on a top rope
[02:21] <jthan> no wolfgame for you?
[02:22] <andrew> jthan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHes0dPSonE
[02:22] <PennBot> Title: YouTube - Demonstration of Lead Climbing (at www.youtube.com)
[02:23] <jthan> Fair enough.
[02:26] <andrew> last night I managed the scoreboard for a roller derby match
[02:26] <jthan> How'd that work out?
[02:26] <andrew> always glad to be doing that safely behind a cinderblock wall from the action
[02:27] <jthan> How's the cr-48
[02:27] <jthan> and how do you like 11.04?
[02:27] <corey__> hello
[02:28] <jthan> Hey corey__
[02:28] <andrew> The CR-48 is heavily used when updating the scoreboard
[02:28] <andrew> hi corey__
[02:28] <corey__> hi
[02:28] <corey__> so how is everyone?
[02:29] <jthan> Peachy
[02:29] <corey__> thats good. how long have u guys used ubuntu
[02:30] <jthan> 4 or 5 years here
[02:30] <andrew> I lost count
[02:30] <corey__> lol
[02:30] <corey__> i think ive been using it on and off for about 3 years
[02:31] <jthan> I don't know.. first version I used was Feisty
[02:31] <andrew> what number was that?
[02:31] <andrew> names have merged together
[02:31] <jthan> 7.04?
[02:31] <jthan> yup
[02:31] <andrew> sounds like it
[02:31] <corey__> yeah
[02:31] <andrew> I've got a pressed 4.10 disc around here somewhere
[02:32] <corey__> i would use it 24/7 if i could get the .exe software to work with it that i use
[02:32] <jthan> Crossover?
[02:32] <andrew> specifically?
[02:33] <corey__> i just d/l that but i play a game thats not compatable yet
[02:33] <jthan> Which game?
[02:33] <corey__> wow
[02:33] <jthan> WoW used to work rather flawlessly with wine
[02:33] <corey__> ive tries wine and crossover but i just cant get it
[02:33] <jthan> Does it work somewhat?
[02:34] <corey__> i have the installer for wow on an external drive and when i try to install it through wine it tell me some kinf od error code saying its not allowed
[02:35] <jthan> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=23352
[02:35] <PennBot> Title: WineHQ - World of Warcraft 4.1.x (at appdb.winehq.org)
[02:35] <jthan> What graphics card are you using?
[02:36] <corey__> its a ati radeon 4670 1gb ddr3
[02:39] <corey__> so wheres everyone from?
[02:40] <andrew> outside of philly
[02:40] <jthan> Bethlehem area
[02:41] <corey__> im close to williamsport\
[02:43] <andrew> Ah, I'm quite familiar with that area
[02:44] <jthan> Ya never gave me your two cents on 11.04
[02:45] <andrew> me?
[02:45] <PennBot> me is going to this tomorrow: http://www.constructionjunction.org/pages/bigpour, andrew
[02:45] <jthan> Yeah.
[02:46] <andrew> I'm getting used to it. I made a post about some basic tweaks that I made to get started (see ahotw.com)
[02:47]  * rmg51 is using Ubuntu Classic
[02:47]  * jthan is too
[02:47] <rmg51> too many things broke :P
[02:48] <jthan> andrew: typo
[02:48] <jthan> :-P
[02:48] <rmg51> wireless doesn't work on this laptop
[02:48] <corey__> i didnt like the new desktop in 11.04
[02:48] <andrew> typo?
[02:48] <corey__> lol
[02:48] <andrew> corey__: then switch back to 'ubuntu classic'
[02:48] <jthan> "a few problems arouse"
[02:49] <jthan> arose?
[02:49] <rmg51> nvidia driver is active but not in use
[02:49] <corey__> i did thats what im using now
[02:51] <andrew> jthan: fixed
[02:51] <jthan> You can thank me later
[02:51] <jthan> lol
[02:52] <andrew> Thanks for bringing up what 3+ weeks of readers didn't mention to me
[02:54] <Sadin> wow this wallpaper i made matches my theme perfectly
[02:54] <jthan> A kid I met this year at school wants to podcast with me
[02:55] <jthan> I don't know if I want to persue it
[02:55] <Sadin> http://zachsnyder.deviantart.com/#/d3gzo1w
[02:55] <PennBot> Title: ZachSnyder on deviantART (at zachsnyder.deviantart.com)
[02:55] <Sadin> :D
[02:55] <Sadin> my wallpaper
[02:55] <Sadin> :)
[02:56]  * rmg51 prefers pictures :-D
[02:57] <Sadin> lol
[03:02] <InHisName> Sadin: did you get a HD to fix last nights troubles yet?
[03:03] <Sadin> No :( no money to get a new one
[03:05] <Sadin> crap what email was i supposed to send my rss feed to so i could get added to the planet
[03:08] <andrew> 19:45:03 < pleia2> Sadin: can you email the rss feed of your blog to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and I'll get it added when I have a chance
[03:08] <jthan> pleia2.... what an awesome woman
[03:08] <Sadin> thank YOU
[03:16] <MutantTurkey> got my own VPS!
[03:16] <MutantTurkey> only like 10 bucks a month :)
[03:16] <MutantTurkey> just thought I would mention that.
[03:19] <jthan> Where at?
[03:20] <jthan> I always like tektonic for $15/mo
[03:20] <jthan> though it was nice when bts worked there :-P
[03:21] <Sadin> Hmmm
[03:21] <Sadin> i need to get Ruby and ruby on rails setup on my new natty install
[03:21] <jthan> What for?
[03:23] <Sadin> cause i develop with ruby and Rails
[03:23] <Sadin> :)
[03:29] <MutantTurkey> VPS forge
[03:30] <MutantTurkey> jthan: some random guys from the UK, saw a reddit add, clicked thru, 10% off. like 20 bucks for 3 months
[03:30] <jthan> do they manage dns?
[03:30] <MutantTurkey> now i just need to actually use my website for something
[03:30] <MutantTurkey> jthan: my domain hoster does.
[03:30] <MutantTurkey> i have a static IP anyways.
[03:31] <MutantTurkey> so not much to worry about
[03:31] <MutantTurkey> what should I do with my website?
[03:32] <jthan> Blog?
[03:32] <Sadin> Portfolio
[03:32] <Sadin> :D
[03:33] <Sadin> MutantTurkey what development languages you know?
[03:34] <MutantTurkey> Sadin: C
[03:34] <MutantTurkey> C, C, and C
[03:34] <MutantTurkey> jthan: I guess, I use twitter enough to micro manage my life a blog would be fruitless.
[03:34] <jthan> *shrug*
[03:34] <jthan> What else does one do with a website?
[03:34] <jthan> Play around with PHP
[03:34] <jthan> you can do some fun stuff with that.
[03:34] <Sadin> :D i know PHP
[03:35] <Sadin> and Ruby :D
[03:35] <jthan> I know HTML/CSS, PHP, C#, Bit of C/C++, and Python
[03:35] <Sadin> PHP for the win
[03:35] <Sadin> HTML/CSS too of course
[03:35] <MutantTurkey> I mean, yeah I know PHP and HTML/CSS but those aren't development languages
[03:35] <jthan> :-P
[03:35] <MutantTurkey> and damn anyone who thinks they are.
[03:36] <jthan> PHP is a development language in my eyes
[03:36] <MutantTurkey> at this point.
[03:36] <MutantTurkey> I am against applications being in the browser, and just generally against the whole cloud ideal.
[03:36] <MutantTurkey> but I digress, I need to brainstorm
[03:36] <MutantTurkey> What about using it for like some distributed computing project?
[03:37] <jthan> Such as?
[03:37] <andrew> back
[03:37] <MutantTurkey> no idea, I am on the wikipedia page right now.
[03:37] <MutantTurkey> andrew: what would you use a website for.
[03:37] <MutantTurkey> ?
[03:37] <andrew> that's a pretty broad question
[03:37] <MutantTurkey> and the answer needs to be broad also.
[03:38] <andrew> What would I use a website for? I use websites for reading my email, checking the news, viewing semi-live weather maps, watching movies, showing off my photos, etc
[03:39] <MutantTurkey> maybe a bit to broad.
[03:39] <MutantTurkey> what would you use a website that YOU hosted for
[03:39] <MutantTurkey> well, frankley pictures is a good idea.
[03:39] <MutantTurkey> frankly
[03:39] <MutantTurkey> not frankey-ly
[03:41] <jthan> MutantTurkey: challenge yourself - make a page that is dynamic and has lots of self-updating content
[03:42] <MutantTurkey> yeah, I hate that.
[03:42] <jthan> Why?
[03:42] <MutantTurkey> because It's bloat
[03:42] <jthan> But can be entirely useful?
[03:42] <MutantTurkey> I like static web pages.
[03:42] <MutantTurkey> Indeed it can, but doing it for the sake of doing it becomes bloated.
[03:42] <jthan> Yeah - sure. But it would be a good project?
[03:43] <jthan> You don't have any better ideas, do you?
[03:43] <MutantTurkey> not at all.
[03:43] <MutantTurkey> Not at all.
[03:43] <MutantTurkey> I have no ideas.
[03:43] <MutantTurkey> Dynamically generated content hrmmm.
[03:50] <Sadin> MutantTurkey you gotta think of what you want people to do when they visit your site
[03:50] <MutantTurkey> watch kittens jump on a black guys head while he freaks out.
[03:51] <MutantTurkey> with random upbeat polka playing along
[03:51] <Sadin> Try making a blog/contact site where users can post emails to you using a contact form simple enough...
[03:51] <Sadin> and lol
[03:51] <jthan> Make a message board
[03:51] <Sadin> oh im making an ubuntu background and id like to hear peoples opinions when im done
[03:52] <MutantTurkey> Sadin: I would like to see
[03:52] <MutantTurkey> also, no point reinventing the wheel
[03:54] <Sadin> whos reinventing the wheel
[03:54] <Sadin> it really isnt
[03:54] <MutantTurkey> making a blog, been done. making a site where users can contact through a form. done.
[03:54] <Sadin> discussion board done
[03:54] <MutantTurkey> exactly.
[03:55] <Sadin> lol what else is there the point is its yours your not reinventing the wheel if you make it your original style
[03:55] <MutantTurkey> yeah I suppose.
[04:45] <ChinnoDog> I have too many computers
[04:45] <ChinnoDog> I need to start putting expiration dates on them or something
[04:47] <Sadin> i need to re install xp on my desktop :(
[04:47]  * Sadin cries
[04:48] <ChinnoDog> Find some app you can't live without?
[04:48] <Sadin> actually for schoolwork yes ;/
[04:49] <ChinnoDog> I'd offer you my old computer so you could harvest its hard drive but is probably about the same price to go to Microcenter and get a cheap hard drive.
[04:49] <Sadin> link me to microcenter?
[04:49] <ChinnoDog> If you can't run it under wine you can always dual boot or, if you have enough memory, run it in a virtual PC.
[04:50] <ChinnoDog> http://www.microcenter.com/
[04:50] <Sadin> not enough memory
[04:50] <PennBot> Title: Micro Center - Computers, Electronics, Computer Parts, Networking, Gaming, Software, and more! (at www.microcenter.com)
[04:50] <Sadin> :(
[04:50] <ChinnoDog> I don't think their unpackaged hard drives are on the site
[04:51] <Sadin> i found a 25$ pata which would work fine
[04:51] <ChinnoDog> If you want a hard disk you walk into the section with the hard drives and you will see open boxes of hard disks in antistatic bags. They are bulk drives, not individually boxed, cheaper than the others.
[04:51] <Sadin> im keeping Ubuntu on my laptop just not on my desktop
[04:53] <ChinnoDog> If you use Synergy you can sit at your desktop with your laptop open and use both from one keyboard and mouse
[04:55] <Sadin> D: ah so many things being throw at me what is that?
[04:56] <Sadin> oh ChinnoDog would you like to see the backgroun i made to match my current ubuntu theme
[04:57] <ChinnoDog> I saw it. B&W?
[04:57] <Sadin> this? http://zachsnyder.deviantart.com/#/d3gzo1w
[04:57] <PennBot> Title: ZachSnyder on deviantART (at zachsnyder.deviantart.com)
[04:57] <ChinnoDog> Yes that one
[04:58] <Sadin> its got 14 downloads already and has only been up for an hour
[04:58] <Sadin> :)
[04:58] <ChinnoDog> Synergy is a console sharing program. It sends mouse movements and keyboard strokes over the network so you can control another computer
[04:58] <ChinnoDog> Each computer still has to have its own monitor(s) though
[04:59] <Sadin> sounds amazing
[04:59] <ChinnoDog> I use Synergy+, which is a fork of synergy that some peeps decided they would improve/mantain
[04:59] <Sadin> im theming ubuntu while XP re downloads
[04:59] <ChinnoDog> oh.  :P
[11:10] <rmg51> but anyhow.... morning JonathanD
[11:10] <JonathanD> Morning :)
[12:16] <SamuraiAlba> good bacon to all!
[12:16] <SamuraiAlba> I am now an official college student!  Classes start August 31st at Camden/Blackwood campus!
[12:17] <JonathanD> sweet
[12:19] <SamuraiAlba> Computer Information Systems, Associate in Applied Science degree.  Two year course.  I'm gonna transfer to Rown at the end and go for my B.A.S.
[15:03] <InHisName> Great MONDAY morning to all of you out there.
[15:19] <Sadin> :O cool i can access freenode at school
[15:23] <andrew> for up to 3 minutes
[15:26] <InHisName> Then maybe have to wait for another period to get another 3 minutes
[17:04] <InHisName> @later tell SamuraiAlba here is a bacon picture for you to help celabrate getting school scheduled --> http://www.scalzi.com/cattapebacon2.jpg
[17:04] <PennBot> InHisName: The operation succeeded.
[18:20] <waltman> that's mean!
[19:05] <InHisName> What is set up as default in windows box that I can probe ?    I tried ping, yes, ssh, telnet, ftp, rdp, shar folder, None of those.    Any other defaults besides ping ?
[19:08] <jedijf> InHisName: do you mean out of a windows box, or into a windows box...in windows you can netstat -a
[19:13] <InHisName> I'm in a linux box and want to see what person has vulneralble on their windows box.  I have IP and pings so far.  Not stealthed.
[19:14] <jedijf> InHisName: nmap
[19:14] <InHisName> So some ports are open, so what defaults can I test for ?   (other ports)
[19:14] <InHisName> k
[19:15] <InHisName> that takes a while to run ?
[19:15] <InHisName> Gave me a starting date/ time
[19:16] <jedijf> yes and read this: http://nmap.org/book/man.html
[19:16] <PennBot> Title: Chapter 15. Nmap Reference Guide (at nmap.org)
[19:17] <InHisName> finished in 101 seconds
[19:33] <InHisName> I guess he's somewhat safe ?   6 items found but all filtered not open.
[21:34] <ChinnoDog> @crickets
[21:34] <PennBot> http://www.instantcrickets.com
[21:54] <ChinnoDog> hello Sadin
[21:54] <Sadin> hi ChinnoDog :)
[21:56] <Sadin> ChinnoDog: I updated my blog and theres a screenshot of my ubuntu laptop on there if you want to check it out
[21:56] <Sadin> http://sparkz.exofire.net/?p=57
[21:56] <PennBot> Title: Linux OS selection (at sparkz.exofire.net)
[21:59] <ChinnoDog> I see. Your background looks.. gritty
[22:00] <Sadin> I really like it
[22:01] <Sadin> Found it in one of my friends galleries in the minimal desktop customizers group on deviantart
[22:01] <ChinnoDog> You could skin a knee on that background
[22:01] <Sadin> lol
[22:11]  * Sadin is still looking for a hard drive while working on his chem project
[22:19] <InHisName> Sadin: you don't need much in a HD, how come none haven't fallen from the sky upon you, yet?
[22:19] <InHisName> Where do you live in PA?
[22:19] <InHisName> aren't you near Reading ?
[22:19] <Sadin> InHisName because im the only techy i know and i dont have a job still looking for one so i can pay for my car insurence
[22:19] <Sadin> yeah
[22:19] <Sadin> im in Douglassville
[22:22] <InHisName> Close to all of us in Philly end of state.  No one's offered to toss one your way?
[22:22] <InHisName> Just need to know next turnip truck to send it on.....
[22:23] <Sadin> ChinnoDog said he would have but he didnt know i needed one so he got rid of em all the day before lol
[22:23] <Sadin> If you do send one i would be very grateful :)
[22:24] <InHisName> Are there any turnip truck commuters going up and down 422 ?
[22:24] <ChinnoDog> Not the day before, a few weeks ago.
[22:25] <InHisName> I have no job so no commuting at present.
[22:25] <jedijf> i was in limerick thurs & fri
[22:26] <InHisName> jedijf: you coulda left one of those old lappys under a tree for Sadin to discover.
[22:26] <jedijf> Sadin: in the evnt i have one, what size were you looking for?
[22:26]  * jedijf thinks he has a few 6 gigs
[22:27] <Sadin> i just need something small to load ubuntu server on for my desktop
[22:27] <Sadin> 6gb would be more then plenty since its only going to hold basic HTML PHP and CSS files
[22:28] <jedijf> k, let me check office tomorrow, i pulled a few recently
[22:28] <jedijf> unlike ChinnoDog, i hoard tech
[22:29] <ChinnoDog> Yea, I don't have time/space/money/energy to be a pack rat right now
[22:29] <ChinnoDog> Look, 40gb hard drive for $16.87 with free shipping: http://www.pcprogress.com/product.asp?m1=pw&pid=WL40ATA100-54
[22:29] <PennBot> Title: PCPROGRESS.com (at www.pcprogress.com)
[22:31] <ChinnoDog> Oh. This one is better. $17.35 with free shipping and it is a seagate. http://www.goharddrive.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=G01-0258&Click=46406
[22:31] <PennBot> Title: Seagate U Series 5 AV ST340825A 40GB IDE 5400RPM 2MB cache Hard Drive Pull -w/ 1 year Warranty (at www.goharddrive.com)
[22:31] <Sadin> Saving all money for a car my dads taking me to get my permit in a few days
[22:31] <Sadin> :D so excited
[22:32] <Sadin> Oh plus i need one thats Pata compatible if you have one jedijf
[22:33] <ChinnoDog> You won't be finding 6gb hard drives that are sata.
[22:33] <ChinnoDog> IF you have a spare USB flash drive and your server will boot to USB you could install Ubuntu on there.
[22:34] <ChinnoDog> Install onto btrfs with compression enabled and get a lot more space.
[22:35] <Sadin> Alright well my only flashdrive is for school work :/ ive looked into that and believe me i would if i could
[22:44] <ChinnoDog> 8gb flash drives are $13 after shipping on NewEgg.
[22:45] <ChinnoDog> Actually you could run server on 4 comfortably I think. That is $8 after shipping.
[22:49] <Sadin> The bios wouldnt detect my flashdrive anyway :O
[22:50] <ChinnoDog> doh
[22:50] <Sadin> but thats a deal so im going to ask for one
[22:50] <Sadin> when i get the money im have my dad use his credit card
[22:50] <ChinnoDog> But it won't help you with your server.
[22:50] <Sadin> i guess ;/
[22:52] <ChinnoDog> Microcenter appears to have them for same price
[22:53] <ChinnoDog> How far are you from Microcenter? 30min?
[22:53] <Sadin> Anyway i had a tower which it ran fine and then i stopped using it cause it was loud and noisy i decided to take it back out and reinstall server
[22:53] <Sadin> on it but it wouldnt detect the HD. Our town had its local yardsale 2 days ago so i bought a junker toer that only needed ram Powersupply and a HD
[22:53] <Sadin> which i had all of those so i swapped em all out and tried this new tower and it started up just fine... it detected the HD as its primary drive in the bios setup
[22:53] <Sadin> but when i tried to run startup it said primary IDE not detected D:
[22:54] <Sadin> so its confusing me
[22:54] <ChinnoDog> explain "run startup"
[22:58] <Sadin> before OS loads i hit F10 and it brought me into the configuration settings so i decided to check to see if it detected my HD unlike the other one and it said
[22:58] <Sadin> the exact brand of the HD, PATA, and 40GB all correct info
[23:05] <jedijf> Sadin: do you have an install cd? try booting with that and installing and seeing if the livecd 'sees' teh hd to install upon
[23:06] <Sadin> ok i will later tonight i need to finish writing a chemistry report for Wednesday  :) haha ill make an ubuntu CD and try it. Even if i had startup order set to usb first
[23:06] <Sadin> the system didnt see my ubuntu usb
[23:06] <Sadin> just throwin that out there


[00:18] <guiverc> i wonder if https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2023-November/042838.html is news; to me it's normal cycle mechanics (though the sender maybe is the news bit?)
[03:38] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Jonathan Riddell: Oxygen Icons 6 Alpha Released @ https://jriddell.org/2023/11/08/oxygen-icons-6-alpha-released/
[03:38] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Jonathan Riddell: qqc2-breeze5-style 6 Alpha @ https://jriddell.org/2023/11/08/qqc2-breeze5-style-6-alpha/
[03:38] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Canonical joins Open Networking Foundation @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/canonical-joins-open-networking-foundation
[21:00] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::omg!ubuntu:: GNOME Receives €1M Investment from Sovereign Tech Fund @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/11/gnome-sovereign-tech-fund
[22:30] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::omg!ubuntu:: Amazon Making its Own Linux-Based OS to Replace Android @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/11/amazon-vega-linux-based-os


[05:07] <zus> is there any difference in file size or packages advantage, by installing the ubuntu studio packages vs individually?
[05:08] <holstein> i dont think so
[05:08] <holstein> should be the same zus
[05:08] <holstein> just easier
[05:08] <holstein> to get the meta-package
[05:08] <holstein> if its got the stuff you want in it
[05:08] <zus> hi holstein  :)
[05:08] <holstein> :)
[05:09] <zus> i found the mint KDE always been meaning to try it.
[07:18] <bryan_r59> good morning and day!
[07:18] <holstein> hey bryan_r59
[07:18] <bryan_r59> Is ubuntu studio adequate enough within a virtual machine? i have plenty of ram to give it
[07:19] <bryan_r59> and i think most 3d modeling packages use system ram
[07:20] <bryan_r59> one more thing if it isn't too much trouble to answer: how much disk space would a beginner artist need for his ubuntu studio to be used to full potential?
[07:21] <holstein> you can try it
[07:21] <holstein> but i would say you need to run blender and the like on metal
[07:21] <holstein> if you go the Vbox route
[07:21] <bryan_r59> lol
[07:21] <holstein> you can have the images grow
[07:21] <bryan_r59> yeah i am c hoose dynamic
[07:21] <holstein> video files are stupid large
[07:22] <bryan_r59> oh good point :)
[07:22] <holstein> and audio projects can take up space
[07:22] <holstein> but we usually record audio to a seperate HD
[07:22] <holstein> anyways
[07:22] <holstein> i would say 20GB minimum
[07:22] <holstein> that would be a comfortable place to get your feet wet
[07:23] <holstein> bryan_r59: i think a wubi install would be much more adequate
[07:23] <holstein> and just as non-permanant
[07:23] <bryan_r59> aight, i gave it 50 just in case. Also is it me, or does somehow having a better video card make the file size of images smaller?
[07:23] <bryan_r59> i mean on my host os
[07:23] <holstein> hmmm
[07:24] <holstein> not sure about that
[07:24] <bryan_r59> the file format i save as in the same i am sure
[07:24] <bryan_r59> compression too
[07:24] <bryan_r59> but i see a huge difference in the generated file size, even on huge screen shots and stuff
[07:24] <holstein> i suppose something in the rendering could be different
[07:25] <holstein> but i would think that would be processor before graphics
[07:25] <holstein> but again, im just not sure
[07:25] <holstein> i havent really paid much attention
[07:25]  * holstein is an audio guy
[07:26] <bryan_r59> Ok one last question. I have a Webcam that worked on my Windows 7 HOST OS, but since i switched to ubuntu 10.04 as my HOST, it can't detect is through VLC or CHEESE, and on the Windows GUEST it also cannot find it
[07:26] <bryan_r59> will ubuntu studio remedy this?
[07:27] <holstein> bryan_r59: no
[07:27] <holstein> theres not a whole lot of difference
[07:27] <bryan_r59> ok . then one more last question lol
[07:27] <holstein> bryan_r59: if you go to synaptic
[07:27] <holstein> and search ubuntustudio
[07:27] <holstein> you can see the meta packages that make up ubuntustudio
[07:27] <holstein> thats really about it
[07:27] <bryan_r59> oh
[07:27] <holstein> bryan_r59: there might be a package here and there
[07:27] <holstein> driver-wise
[07:28] <holstein> but mostly wacom tablet support
[07:28] <holstein> that kind of thing
[07:28] <bryan_r59> As an artist, what cam do you recommend as a webcam? i will go buy one now, if you have a recommendation
[07:28] <holstein> not webcams
[07:28] <holstein> bryan_r59: just google
[07:28] <bryan_r59> ok
[07:28] <holstein> and save you recipts ;)
[07:28] <bryan_r59> ttyl and ty
[07:28] <holstein> bryan_r59:
[07:28] <holstein> when you run lsusb
[07:28] <holstein> in terminal
[07:28] <holstein> do you see the webcam?
[07:28] <holstein> listed?
[07:29] <bryan_r59> one sec
[07:29] <holstein> what is the webcam?
[07:29] <bryan_r59> Bus 002 Device 004: ID 041e:403c Creative Technology, Ltd Webcam Live! Ultra
[07:29] <holstein> bryan_r59: thats good
[07:29] <holstein> that you see it there
[07:30] <holstein> you should be able to get it working i would guess
[07:30] <bryan_r59> i will google further for that too then
[07:30] <holstein> good idea
[07:30] <holstein> let us know ;)
[07:30] <holstein> :) *
[07:31] <holstein> bryan_r59: sometimes its as simple as enabling the backports repository
[07:31] <holstein> and installing a package
[07:35] <bryan_r59> i did so, but update manager and hardware drivers under administration found nothing to help
[07:35] <bryan_r59> thanks for the suggestion though
[07:35] <bryan_r59> might help later on
[07:36] <holstein> hardware drivers is typically for proprietary extra drivers
[07:36] <holstein> you'll have to find the package
[07:36] <holstein> IF thats what is needed
[07:36] <holstein> im just guessing really
[07:36] <holstein> it could be incompatible
[07:36] <holstein> but if you see it when you run lsusb
[07:36] <holstein> there is usually hope
[07:36] <holstein> bryan_r59: good luck
[23:07] <plotino> hi
[23:08] <plotino> i have problem
[23:08] <plotino> with audio
[23:08] <plotino> no midi audio in output using hydrigen
[23:10] <holstein> hey plotino
[23:10] <holstein> you got other sound?
[23:11] <holstein> plotino: you got JACK running properly?
[23:18] <plotino> nooooooooo
[23:18] <plotino> when i start jack
[23:18] <plotino> it stucks
[23:18] <plotino> saying .... Starting
[23:18] <plotino> and i have to kill ot
[23:18] <holstein> AH
[23:19] <holstein> well i would start there
[23:19] <plotino> is there any conflict with pulseaudio?
[23:19] <plotino> ok
[23:19] <plotino> you have procedure to follow?
[23:19] <plotino> :)
[23:19] <holstein> go to http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net/qjackctl-ss1.html
[23:19] <holstein> the first srceenshot is what you get when you launch jack control from the menu
[23:20] <holstein> then click on 'setup'
[23:20] <holstein> that will get you to the 2nd sreenshot
[23:20] <plotino> m
[23:20] <plotino> ok
[23:20] <holstein> plotino: is this an onboard soundcard?
[23:22] <holstein> plotino: is this ubuntu lucid?
[23:22] <holstein> is it a studio install?
[23:23] <holstein> or did you upgrade from standard ubuntu?
[23:23] <plotino> it is a ubuntu studio new installl
[23:23] <holstein> OK
[23:23] <plotino> the card is SB Live Platinum
[23:23] <holstein> run in a terminal
[23:23] <plotino> 5+1
[23:23] <holstein> uname -a
[23:23] <plotino> ok
[23:23] <holstein> generic, preempt, or realtime?
[23:23] <holstein> or just paste the output here
[23:23] <holstein> its not much
[23:24] <holstein> i use a soundblaster live
[23:24] <holstein> as a coaster ;)
[23:24] <holstein> so i dont get a ring on my desk from my beer glass :)
[23:24]  * holstein kidding
[23:24] <plotino> problems!!
[23:24] <plotino> holstein,
[23:25] <holstein> nah
[23:25] <plotino> i have tried to start jack again
[23:25] <holstein> it'll work
[23:25] <holstein> plotino: dont start it yet
[23:25] <plotino> but it freezed my desktop
[23:25] <holstein> hit the stop button
[23:25] <plotino> i dont get to open the shell :(
[23:25] <plotino> stop button doesn not answere
[23:25] <plotino> it's like winzoz
[23:25] <holstein> alt F2
[23:26] <holstein> or control alt F2
[23:26] <holstein> if not
[23:26] <holstein> you'll just have to restart i suppose
[23:26] <holstein> but we need to talk about those settings
[23:26] <holstein> and run a few tests
[23:26] <holstein> before starting JACK
[23:27] <plotino> ok
[23:28] <plotino> i recovered the shell
[23:28] <plotino> ok
[23:28] <plotino> so you have suggested me to setup jack as recommended in that site
[23:28] <holstein> plotino: nah
[23:29] <holstein> thats just for us to talk about
[23:29] <plotino> ah ok
[23:29] <holstein> so we know we are looking at the same thing
[23:30] <plotino> yes
[23:31] <holstein> OK
[23:31] <holstein> so run uname -a
[23:31] <holstein> past that here
[23:31] <plotino> wait
[23:31] <plotino> i launch the chat on the PC with ubutnu studio
[23:31] <holstein> paste*
[23:32] <holstein> OK
[23:32] <holstein> theres not much
[23:32] <holstein> many commands i mean
[23:32] <holstein> just a few more
[23:33] <plotino> holstein,
[23:33] <holstein> yup
[23:33] <plotino> 2.6.32-24-generic
[23:33] <holstein> OK
[23:33] <holstein> run
[23:33] <holstein> sudo adduser you audio
[23:33] <holstein> LIKE
[23:33] <holstein> my username is holstein
[23:34] <holstein> so
[23:34] <holstein> i do
[23:34] <holstein> sudo adduser holstein audio
[23:34] <plotino> you should be my user name , isnt it?
[23:34] <plotino> ok
[23:34] <holstein> probably will say you already in that group
[23:34] <plotino> exactly
[23:34] <holstein> OK
[23:35] <holstein> do you have sound otherwise?
[23:35] <holstein> sound works?
[23:35] <plotino> yes
[23:35] <holstein> OK
[23:35] <holstein> we'll skip running aplay -l then
[23:35] <holstein> SO
[23:35] <plotino> but i have always to set the correcrt output in pulse audio volume control
[23:35] <holstein> run jack control
[23:35] <holstein> and click setup
[23:35] <plotino> aplay -L
[23:35] <plotino> gives me an error
[23:35] <holstein> aplay -l
[23:36] <holstein> lowercase l
[23:36] <plotino> ah sorry
[23:36] <holstein> aplay -l and arecord -l
[23:36] <plotino> no that's ok
[23:36] <holstein> those just let you konw what ALSA is able to use
[23:36] <holstein> ANYWAY
[23:36] <holstein> just launch jack control
[23:36] <holstein> click setup
[23:36] <plotino> yes
[23:37] <holstein> and we'll both be looking at
[23:37] <holstein> http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net/qjackctl-ss1.html
[23:37] <holstein> the 2nd screenshot
[23:37] <holstein> on the left side
[23:37] <holstein> there is a check box
[23:37] <holstein> for realtime
[23:37] <holstein> UNcheck that
[23:37] <plotino> ok
[23:37] <plotino> done it
[23:37] <holstein> then in the bottom right
[23:37] <holstein> you see latency...
[23:37] <holstein> what is that?
[23:38] <plotino>  msec
[23:38] <holstein> yeah
[23:38] <plotino> 69.7 msec
[23:38] <holstein> OK
[23:39] <holstein> thats probably cool
[23:39] <holstein> samplerat
[23:39] <holstein> you probably want that to be 44100
[23:39] <holstein> there are 2 other settings that we tweak a lot
[23:39] <plotino> you think that it is quite low
[23:39] <plotino> ?
[23:39] <holstein> frames/periods
[23:39] <holstein> and periods/buffer
[23:39] <holstein> plotino: its not low
[23:40] <holstein> but you'll be OK getting that with no realtime kernel and that SBlive
[23:40] <holstein> thats probably do-able
[23:40] <plotino> ok
[23:40] <holstein> you might be able to get that down to 20msec
[23:40] <holstein> but i wouldnt sweat it
[23:41] <holstein> if you dont use soft synths
[23:41] <holstein> or do any realtime effects processing
[23:41] <holstein> OK
[23:41] <holstein> frames/periods
[23:41] <holstein> what is that?
[23:41] <holstein> 1024?
[23:41] <holstein> 512?
[23:42] <plotino> wait
[23:42] <holstein> yup?
[23:42] <plotino> 1024
[23:42] <holstein> OK
[23:42] <holstein> and periods/buffer 3?
[23:42] <plotino> 3
[23:42] <holstein> OK
[23:42] <holstein> those are the 2 you should mess with
[23:42] <holstein> everything else is going to be OK
[23:43] <holstein> if you get an RT kernel
[23:43] <holstein> you just come in and check that realtime box
[23:43] <holstein> OK
[23:43] <holstein> save and close
[23:43] <holstein> and hit the start button
[23:44] <plotino> i try
[23:44] <plotino> error
[23:44] <holstein> what is the error?
[23:44] <plotino> could not connect to jack server as client
[23:44] <plotino> overall operation failed
[23:44] <plotino> unable to connect to server
[23:45] <holstein> OK
[23:45] <holstein> plotino: open the terminal
[23:45] <holstein> and run sudo qjackctl
[23:45] <plotino> i have to start the server?
[23:45] <holstein> and try starting it
[23:45] <plotino> the same
[23:46] <holstein> OK
[23:46] <holstein> so close that
[23:46] <holstein> and lets go back to jack control from the menu
[23:46] <holstein> and go to 'setup' again
[23:47] <holstein> plotino: did you mirror those settings?
[23:47] <holstein> priority should be default
[23:47] <holstein> not 25
[23:48] <holstein> serverpath should just be what it was default too
[23:48] <holstein> driver should be ALSA
[23:48] <plotino> mirror?
[23:48] <plotino> i m checking
[23:48] <holstein> nothing under paramapters should be checked
[23:49] <plotino> piority is disabled
[23:50] <plotino> the same is the default
[23:50] <holstein> priority should be default
[23:50] <plotino> cannot load driver module alsa
[23:50] <plotino> says the log message window
[23:51] <plotino> i cannot change priority
[23:51] <holstein> yeah?
[23:51] <holstein> plotino: just hit the down button
[23:51] <holstein> it'll get around to default eventually
[23:51] <plotino> down button?
[23:52] <holstein> yeah
[23:52] <holstein> theres 2 buttons
[23:52] <holstein> to the right of 'priority'
[23:52] <holstein> tiny buttons
[23:53] <holstein> http://pastebin.com/
[23:53] <holstein> you can paste your output there
[23:53] <holstein> and i can give it a look
[23:54] <holstein> all the error messages
[23:54] <plotino> holstein, thank you very much but now  i have to go
[23:54] <plotino> it's late in italy
[23:54] <holstein> plotino: gotcha
[23:54] <plotino> i hope to meet again to fix this issue
[23:54] <holstein> we'll get you rolling some other time :)
[23:54] <plotino> thanks again
[23:54] <plotino> ok
[23:54] <plotino> bye and nice to meet you


[04:23] <shtylman> anyone here with some spare time wanna try out the kde installer: lp:~shtylman/ubiquity/kde_themeing
[06:52] <CIA-5> ubiquity: superm1 * r3335 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[06:52] <CIA-5> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: user-setup
[06:52] <CIA-5> ubiquity: 1.27ubuntu5. This fixes autologin configuration. (LP: #402707)
[06:53] <CIA-5> ubiquity: superm1 * r3336 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.99.2
[11:39] <davmor2> evand1: did you fix the _ before button names in ubiquity?  If so what version?
[11:40] <evand1> davmor2: mterry did it
[11:40] <evand1> in 1.99.1
[11:40] <davmor2> still there I'll just check the version I got
[11:43] <davmor2> meh today's iso has 1.99.0
[14:44] <CIA-5> wubi: evand * r140 wubi/ (data/isolist.ini debian/changelog): Add support for Kubuntu Netbook Edition (LP: #402850).
[14:51] <CIA-5> wubi: evand * r141 trunk/data/images/ (3 files): Add symlinks for the previous commit.
[21:20] <davmor2> evand1: you know the fix you put in casper was it to show the desktop icon did that get done for kubuntu too?