[16:56] <holstein> jono: do you have a moment for a PM ?
[17:03] <akgraner> holstein, he's a little busy at the moment - or so he just told folks in another channel
[17:05] <akgraner> (not speaking for jono - just mentioning what he said in another channel)
[17:05] <jono> holstein, sorry, I am on calls
[19:29] <holstein> jono: yeah, i got busy myself
[19:29] <holstein> i'll try again later :)


[01:35] <PigglyWiggly> Anyone have the direct URL for Kubuntu 20 LTS server edition?
[02:15] <robertcs68> Kinda new to linux and especially kubuntu, when I try to do updates via Discover I get an error on some packages: Package failed to install Error while installing Package: cannot copy extracted data for "/boot/System.map-5.4.0-60-genric" to "/boot/System.map-5.4.0-60-generic.dpkg-new
 that is my message from <robertcs68> just wanted to join telegram find it easier to use.
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[07:00] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:01] <tangarora> Good morning
[11:48] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
 Hey guys!
 I am stuck with kubuntu 20.1 installation alongside windiws 10. Can anybody help?
[13:16] <BluesKaj> help with ?
 I get this error "no efi partition found ..." And whatever I did was useless and I couldn't install
[13:17] <BluesKaj> there should be an option to create an EFI boot partition
 Windows is installed in MBR and legacy bios mode. But kubuntu bootable usb boots in uefi mode. I think this is the problem. But. I couldn't find a way to start kubuntu in legacy mode. I have tried multiple bootable usb creators but after all it keeps booting in uefi which is not how my system and other OS configured
 I hope I was clear enough in describing the problem. Your help is needed and much appreciated. Thanks.
[13:25] <BluesKaj> set your BIOS to legacy mode
 The bios only has legacy mode. … Secure boot is disabled and legacy mode support for usb booting is enabled. CSM is enabled too.
[13:30] <BluesKaj> so this computer is an older model
 Yes it is.
 Fujitsu lifebook ah532
[13:33] <BluesKaj> !dual boot
 Thabks. I have been searching for 2 days all over the internet and I have read alot including the links you sent, but neither worked for me.
 I think if i was able to make a bootable usb drive that just booted in legacy mode, I might had a chance to succeed.
[13:45] <BluesKaj> does your computer have usb boot option? If not try a dvd disk with OS image installed
 It has usb boot option . I have not tried booting from dvd yet. Worth trying I think.
[13:49] <BluesKaj> usb is faster
[13:49] <BluesKaj> also if you have windows fast boot then disable that in the BIOS
 Bios has no option for fast boot. There is just a secure boot option which I have disabled.  … I think I should disable fast boot from windows. I am not sure if I have done that. I'll check.
 @BluesKaj, Sure it is.
 @Duality, is the 5.8 kernel issue still present in Kubuntu 20.04 ? … I am seeing so many people having problems ...
[14:04] <BluesKaj> @ri5h46h, seems it still is buggy, especially with some gpu drivers like nvidia
 @BluesKaj, above in this group 'Maik' told that kernel 5.8 was not intended in 20.04 LTS .
[14:09] <BluesKaj> thnk Maik is correct...I'm testing 21.04 with the default 5.8 kernel and all is fine here with intel graphics and audio
 @BluesKaj, it's good that I am not using 20.04 LTS and using 20.10, otherwise I may also be having the kernel problems .
[14:12] <BluesKaj> afaik the default kernel for 20.04 is the 5.4...think users should stick with 5.4 until the devs offer the 5.8 in the regular repos and not ppas
[14:13] <BluesKaj> ppas can be dangerous for production users, and there really aren't any apparent advantages to it atm
 @BluesKaj, yes but so many people got kernel 5.8 by updating. … I also got 5.8 in my Ubuntu 20.04 LTS but I still boot with 5.4
[14:14] <BluesKaj> ahh
 @BluesKaj, btw, what plasma version is 21.04 having ? … and if you don't mind asking, are you a Kubuntu developer ?
[14:17] <BluesKaj> I'm not a dev, mainly a tester
[14:18] <BluesKaj> plasmashell 5.20.5 on 21.04
 @BluesKaj, wow, Nice.
 @BluesKaj, can I also have access to 21.04 ISOs if I want
[14:20] <BluesKaj> yes, if you have 20.10 installed then you can upgrade to 21.04 from there with: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
 @BluesKaj, thank you :)👍
[14:22] <BluesKaj> or go the iso route if you wish: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[14:24] <BluesKaj> make sure you upgrade to the latest packages in 20.10 before doing the release-upgrade
[14:25] <BluesKaj> @ri5h46h ^
 The ISO is currently a bit broken
 @BluesKaj, ok sure. I am going to this in qemu btw
[14:26] <BluesKaj> @ri5h46h , check what RikMills just posted
 Yes, I saw the message by @RikMills 😅. if the iso won't work I will upgrade 20.10 with the command you provided.
 I just want to try how a daily build is
 The ISO will work with a tweak. Edit the kernel boot line in grub to remove the 'maybe-ubiquity' part of the line
 @RikMills, oh okay, I will do this.
 With a bit of luck, tomorows ISO will be fixed.
[14:32] <BluesKaj> cool
 that's nice.
 Can I post a poll regarding KDE here?
[15:19] <BluesKaj> polls aren't encouraged here
[15:47] <h1pot> Is there a way to invoke the virtual keyboard from a  touchpad out of the box on plasma 5.18.5? i'm using the touchpad of dualshock 4 to be more specific
[18:35] <jose__> hi
[18:35] <woozalia> Yet another drive-by greeting.
[19:47] <nailbar> Hi, I just installed Kubuntu but I can't get audio Input and Output working at the same time. The Built-in Audio Profile dropdown only lets me select either Analog Stereo Input or Analog Stereo Output, but not both. Anyone familiar with this problem?
 Which version of kubuntu?
[19:48] <nailbar> latest
[19:48] <nailbar> groovy
 On 20.10, I had to de-install pipewire to make hot plugging of my Plantronix headset  behave correctly.
[19:49] <nailbar> Simply uninstalling it solved your problem?
 I also had to use alsamixer to set my max volume for my USB speakers as it defaulted to around 30%.  Neither of these issues were present in 20.04.
 Correct, uninstalling fixed the behavior as hot plugging would fail about 50% of the time with either the mic or speakers randomly not working.
[19:52] <nailbar> I'll see if it does anything
 Pipewire is only needed for Wayland when using screen casting such as OSB, so it's safe to uninstall to test your system (assuming no Wayland and OSB requirements).
 @DarinMiller, AFAIK it will replace Pulseaudio and Jack one day
 Correct, but for now, it seems a bit buggy.  killing pulseaudio to force it to reload is another workaround.
[19:57] <nailbar> It worked
[19:57] <nailbar> Analog Stereo Duplex showed up in the options. Was not there earlier.
[19:57] <nailbar> Thanks, @DarinMiller
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[03:00] <darkxst> X-Na, please file a bug for user switching issue
[08:19] <Nebucatnetzer> Hello everyone :)
[08:20] <Nebucatnetzer> I've got a question about the online accounts.
[08:21] <Nebucatnetzer> AFAIK in Gnome there's an option to connect to owncloud. However I don't see that option in Ubuntu Gnome.
[08:21] <Nebucatnetzer> I couldn't find a way to add it, does someone of you maybe know a way or the reason why it's missing?
[09:57] <lindol> When will we start to translate some package for about Ubuntu gnome 15.10?
[10:03] <lindol> because I want to improve the translation that i translated ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu package in ubuntu gnome 15.04 :)
[10:50] <Forage> good afternoon
[10:51] <Forage> ever since I updated from 14.10 to 15.04 I have a weird issue with my mouse in combination with a dual monitor setup
[10:52] <Forage> at the login screen, as well as after logging in, I can't move my mouse from the left screen to the right one
[10:52] <Forage> both monitors are working though
[10:53] <Forage> I never had this with a previous Ubuntu and it's not GNOME 3.16 related either
[10:54] <Forage> with 14.10 I had 3.14 and it was no problem. With 15.04 I first had 3.14 with the problem and updating to 3.16 didn't fix it
[10:56] <Forage> There is one workaround to "fix" it. At login I have to push my mouse against the right edge of the left monitor when I hit the "Return" key at the password prompt. Everything is working properly again after the login when I do this
[10:57] <Forage> When I forget to do this at the login screen then the same result can be achieved after logging in by doing the same with my mouse and triggering a Shell restart with ALT+F2 and executing the "r" command
[10:58] <Forage> What could be the cause of the problem and how do I fix it?
[10:59] <Forage> Is it Ubuntu or GNOME related, to possibly report it elsewhere?
[11:00] <Forage> (p.s. the channel topic is outdated)
[11:59] <Nebucatnetzer> Did some wrote an answer to my question?
[12:13] <Forage> Nebucatnetzer: what was the question?
[12:28] <Nebucatnetzer> about the online accounts
[12:28] <Nebucatnetzer> On arch I can add an owncloud account
[12:28] <Nebucatnetzer> on ubuntu gnome it's missing but AFAIK it's a standard option of gnome
[12:30] <Forage> Nebucatnetzer: I have the option in my Online Accounts list to add an ownCloud account
[12:31] <Forage> what version of GNOME are you on?
[12:31] <Nebucatnetzer> 3.14
[12:31] <Nebucatnetzer> ubuntu 15.04
[12:31] <Nebucatnetzer> all up to date
[12:32] <Forage> hmm, ownCloud should be there since 3.8
[12:32] <Nebucatnetzer> it only shows: google, jabber, aim, salut and yahoo
[12:32] <Forage> Are you on ubuntu or ubuntu gnome?
[12:32] <Nebucatnetzer> do you know if it's in a package? I couldn't find one when I was searching before.
[12:32] <Nebucatnetzer> ubuntu gnome
[12:34] <Forage> Nebucatnetzer: doesn't look like it requires a particular package
[12:35] <Nebucatnetzer> tried a reinstall of the online accounts package but that didn't change anything :(
[12:36] <Forage> just checking: gnome-online-accounts was the one you tried, no?
[12:37] <Nebucatnetzer> aye
[12:37] <Nebucatnetzer> sudo apt-get intall --reinstall gnome-online-accounts
[12:38] <Forage> try all the other *goa* packages as well
[12:38] <Nebucatnetzer> ?
[12:39] <Forage> libgoa etc
[12:40] <Nebucatnetzer> oka
[12:40] <Nebucatnetzer> y
[12:43] <Forage> don't forget to re-login afterwards just in case, I'm not sure when that list gets populated
[12:43] <Nebucatnetzer_> no luck with that
[12:43] <Forage> darn
[12:43] <Nebucatnetzer_> apt-get install goa-*
[12:44] <Nebucatnetzer_> äh
[12:44] <Nebucatnetzer_> apt-get install lib-goa-*
[12:45] <Forage> apt-get install --reinstall libgoa*
[12:46] <Forage> gvfs-backends-goa as well when you are at it
[12:47] <Nebucatnetzer_> okay reinstalled the packages going for another reboot
[12:47] <Forage> Nebucatnetzer_: re-login should be sufficient
[12:48] <Nebucatnetzer> no luck either
[12:48] <Forage> grrr
[12:49] <Nebucatnetzer> I could try a reinstall of the whole environment
[12:49] <Nebucatnetzer> Or would that be too risky?
[12:50] <Forage> that's a bit drastic and should not be needed
[12:51] <Nebucatnetzer> okay
[12:56] <Forage> Nebucatnetzer: sorry, I can't help you more either. Some searching didn't give me more options for you to try to try
[12:57] <Nebucatnetzer> nevermind :) thanks anyway for your help
[12:58] <Forage> you might have better luck in the ubuntu or even the gnome channel, it doesn't have to be only ubuntu gnome being affected
[13:03] <Nebucatnetzer> Okay I wil ltry that :)
[14:04] <acer> hi, i have issues with graphics on gnome 3 with ubuntu gnome 14.04.2 lts
[16:08] <zundrli> hello everyone
[16:08] <zundrli> does anyone have the same problem where installing the fglrx driver via the "additional drivers" menu makes your system unbootable?
[16:26] <Forage> zundrli: which Ubuntu version? Which AMD card?
[16:26] <Forage> and do the drivers get installed properly?
[17:01] <zundrli> mobility radeon 5000 series
[17:01] <zundrli> yes, the "additional drivers" menu didnt put out any error messages
[17:01] <zundrli> ubuntu 15.04 GNOME
[17:20] <darthanubis> Bug: Bad page map in process Compositor pte:002000000 pmd:1cec6067
[17:21] <darthanubis> which kernel shipped with 15.04
[17:21] <darthanubis> I think I need to roll it back, before I do a reinstall
[17:22] <darthanubis> 3.19.0-20-generic #20-Ubuntu SMP Fri May 29 10:10:47 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[17:22] <darthanubis> that's what I'm running now
[17:22] <darthanubis> and this one, and the previous I'm getting random kernel oops
[18:35] <Forage> zundrli: your card is at least still supported. Try installing the driver manually instead of using the additional drivers section. I never got that to work properly for me either
[18:35] <Forage> zundrli: "sudo apt-get install fglrx-updates"
[18:36] <zundrli> its really weird that it only affects the ubuntu releases from the past months
[18:36] <zundrli> any other distro just install it via system settings gui BAM done
[18:36] <Forage> I always had problems updating Ubuntu because of that driver
[18:37] <Forage> a reinstall is always needed in my case
[18:37] <Forage> (of the driver)
[19:02] <zundrli> well the thing is, i´m on a fresh install. i read just now that the problem might be with gnome 3 including some wayland stuff which the ati installer cant deal with
[19:02] <zundrli> any ideas?
[19:13] <Forage> zundrli: I'm on 15.04 with fglrx as well
[19:13] <zundrli> with wm?
[19:13] <Forage> wm?
[19:14] <Forage> what do you mean by wm?
[19:14] <zundrli> window manager
[19:15] <Forage> not sure what you mean by that
[19:15] <Forage> I'm on Ubuntu GNOME with GDM, fglrx, GNOME Shell
[19:16] <Forage> it worked with 3.14 as well as 3.16 for me
[19:16] <zundrli> how did you install the fglrx driver
[19:16] <zundrli> its weird that its not working for me, but for you
[19:17] <Forage> I updated from 14.10 but manually installed fglrx again before rebooting
[19:17] <Forage> what is happening for you when you reboot?
[19:18] <zundrli> when i have a fresh 15.04 GNOME install, i do apt-get update and upgrade
[19:18] <zundrli> then i get the driver via the "additional drivers" menu / from ati´s website
[19:18] <zundrli> after install, i reboot
[19:19] <zundrli> i see grub, i see the gnome logo, but after that the screen stays black
[19:19] <Forage> with or without backlight?
[19:20] <Forage> with or without the 3 dots as progress indicator?
[19:24] <Forage> zundrli: gksu gedit /etc/default/grub
[19:24] <Forage> change "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"" to "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="text""
[19:24] <Forage> sudo update-grub
[19:25] <Forage> reboot and see if you get to see errors during boot
[19:25] <zundrli> its just a regular boot up
[19:25] <zundrli> i select the fresh install to boot in grub, it loads, displays the gnome logo, screen turns & stays black
[19:26] <Forage> make those changes I mentioned so we can see if you get errors during boot
[19:26] <Forage> by making the changes you don't get to see the gnome splash screen
[19:30] <zundrli> well, the problem is, i cant boot the system
[19:31] <zundrli> so i cant open gedit and stuff
[19:31] <Forage> ah, OK, reboot
[19:31] <Forage> when in grub, press E on the Ubuntu entry
[19:32] <Forage> find the line which has "quiet splash" almost at the end
[19:32] <Forage> change those two words to "text"
[19:32] <Forage> press F10 to resume booting
[19:33] <Forage> same effect
[19:33] <zundrli> i no longer have the system installed
[19:33] <zundrli> im in the process of a new install
[19:34] <Forage> then there's nothing I can do at the moment
[19:34] <Forage> you might want to provide that info a bit sooner
[19:34] <zundrli> should i just go ahead and try to install the driver again once the system install is done?
[19:34] <Forage> yes
[19:34] <Forage> if you really want that driver
[19:34] <zundrli> sorry im not a native english speaker and its sometimes hard to describe stuff
[19:35] <Forage> you don't have to install the closed source driver
[19:35] <Forage> it's up to you
[19:35] <zundrli> i need that driver because war thunder doesnt launch with the open source one
[19:36] <Forage> OK
[19:36] <Forage> then yes, install it but use the command line way, not the additonal drivers section
[19:36] <zundrli> what i didnt try yet is installing the driver via terminal only
[19:37] <zundrli> maybe do that when the system is booted up
[19:37] <Forage> yes
[19:37] <zundrli> can you give me the input please?
[19:37] <Forage> I already did
[19:37] <Forage> sudo apt-get install fglrx-updates
[19:38] <Forage> and change that config file I mentioned earlier
[19:38] <zundrli> ok ill report back once ive done it
[19:38] <Forage> so you can see error messages during boot
[19:39] <Forage> you can always change it back afterwards
[19:39] <zundrli> im doing stuff now, might take a few minutes
[19:40] <Forage> I'm off for the evening
[19:40] <zundrli> oh, alright
[19:40] <zundrli> see you tomorrow i guess?
[19:41] <Forage> how long does it take you to install the system and try it?
[19:43] <zundrli> i guess 15 minutes or so
[19:43] <Forage> sorry, I can't wait that long
[19:44] <Forage> make sure you make the grub change before rebooting as well
[19:44] <Forage> so you can see any possible errors during boot
[19:44] <darthanubis> so I found bad ram. Glad I did not have to reinstall
[19:44] <zundrli> i dont want to be hogging your time though, im thankful for your help already
[19:45] <Forage> report back with a possible error if you still can't boot
[19:45] <Forage> if that error does not give you a clue what to fix of course
[19:46] <zundrli> okay thanks for everything, see ya forage
[19:46] <Forage> zundrli: np, good luck!


[01:12] <quatzal> hey, this might be a dumb question but how do I make a version higher than 2~svn###? The package is not from SVN but it is newer
[01:13] <quatzal> 2.1 would not be accurate, its still 2.0, should it be 2-1~git###? I don't really get LP's versioning
[01:15] <quatzal> would 2ppa1 superseed 2~svn###?
[01:21] <quatzal> I mean, how can a git source superseed a svn source?
[01:22] <lifeless> 2 is > 2~
[01:23] <wgrant> quatzal: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version describes the interpretation of Debian package versions
[01:23] <wgrant> Launchpad doesn't have its own versioning scheme
[01:24] <quatzal> thanks guys, and can a git package superseed a svn package? in this case its because the svn was abandoned
[01:25] <wgrant> quatzal: The ~svnXXXX style is just a convention that some people use for svn versions.
[01:25] <wgrant> it's not mandated, so you can always adjust the convention such that a git version supersedes an svn version, sure
[01:26] <quatzal> thanks wgrant
[01:26] <quatzal> :)
[10:12] <cjwatson> wgrant: in what way?  my current patch set doesn't do anything particular about PPAs - I basically made DS lookup handle the alias, and put symlink creation at the end of the publisher
[10:15] <cjwatson> wgrant: I know one of Rick's goals was to make it easier for developers to stay current by default so that we stop having to separately persuade so many people to move forward, so that does seem to suggest making aliases work for PPAs too
[10:30] <wgrant> cjwatson: Right, but we'll want to think about PPAs before we move anybody onto something unmaintainable, I suspect
[10:36] <cjwatson> Still not totally sure what you mean
[10:37] <wgrant> cjwatson: We don't want to convince everyone to move onto some primary archive devel alias, only to discover that it's not supportable for PPAs.
[10:38] <cjwatson> So, my current patch will create the symlinks for PPAs too, although there's no UI for it or anything
[10:38] <cjwatson> I'm certainly open to discussion about whether that's a good thing
[10:38] <wgrant> Except that we don't republish each PPA every time.
[10:40] <cjwatson> Hmm.
[10:41] <cjwatson> Just so I have numbers (not as a proposal), roughly how long does it take to run a no-op publish on all PPAs?
[10:41] <wgrant> PPAs don't get the new series cloned
[10:41] <wgrant> So that doesn't even necessarily make sense at all
[10:41] <wgrant> Um
[10:41] <wgrant> Probably a while
[10:41] <wgrant> The publisher is pretty terrible
[10:42] <wgrant> Maybe an hour or two
[10:42] <wgrant> But then most of them will 404
[10:42] <wgrant> And apt will be sad.
[10:42] <cjwatson> I suppose one possible model would be to remember whether something has been uploaded to "next" rather than "saucy", and cause those to be cloned, or something ...
[10:42] <cjwatson> But I must go and help with children
[10:42] <cjwatson> (And I'm not sure that makes much sense)
[10:42] <wgrant> Yeah
[10:43] <wgrant> But it's almost definitely not symlink-simple for PPAs.


[03:13] <Koika> Anybody
[03:20] <Koika> is there a Live version? I corrupted by kernel and only have fedora. The only usb creator I can get to work, Fedora Live, doesn't seem to work without a Live version
[03:22] <Koika> my ubuntu kernel
[08:35] <lordievader> Goodmorning.
[11:59] <BluesKaj> Hi folks


[01:34] <zacarias> The "print to file" option in the "print" menu (from Firefox) is not working. When I try to save it, it says preparing, the box disappears and nothing is saved :-(
[06:41] <S_SubZero> does xubuntu install by default with write access to ntfs?
[06:44] <Sysi> S_SubZero: yes
[06:45] <S_SubZero> hmm hmmm i see.  Thought I did it somehow.
[08:40] <ochosi> Sysi: btw, you might be happy to hear that i implemented the "flat terminal" look in greybird (in git)
[10:06] <Bjorn_> hi, is there someone who can help me with a serious prob?
[10:15] <well_laid_lawn> Bjorn_: it depends on what the problem is
[10:17] <Bjorn_> okay, i'll try to explaine
[10:17] <Bjorn_> sorry about my english sometimes, but i'm dutch
[10:20] <Bjorn_> i've a bit older computer, and i would like to install ubuntu
[10:20] <Bjorn_> i'll give some spec about it
[10:20] <Bjorn_> it's a amd 2.0Ghz 1Gb memory hdd 180Gb
[10:21] <Bjorn_> so normally it could no problem installing ubuntu
[10:21] <Bjorn_> but it's real slow
[10:21] <Bjorn_> but i mean really slow
[10:22] <Bjorn_> so tried the lightweight version Xubuntu
[10:23] <Bjorn_> it's a bit faster but still too slow when i hear people talking that you can run xubuntu on a 1Ghz an 512mb without a problem
[10:23] <Bjorn_> the say it works fast
[10:23] <Bjorn_> so i monitored some information
[10:24] <Bjorn_> the memory wasn't a problem
[10:24] <Bjorn_> stays low in use
[10:24] <Bjorn_> but when i perform some action like opening a browser fi
[10:24] <Bjorn_> my cpu goes within second to 50%
[10:24] <Bjorn_> ??
[10:25] <Bjorn_> so is (x)ubuntu not compatible with this computer or is it just something wrong with some hardware?
[10:28] <TheSheep> Bjorn_: what graphics card do you have?
[10:29] <TheSheep> Bjorn_: you can see that with 'lspci | grep VGA' in terminal
[10:32] <Bjorn_> oh sorry forget to mention and correction of info above it's just 1.8Ghz and the graphics card is an ATI 128mb
[10:37] <well_laid_lawn> Bjorn_: did you install the proprietry driver for the graphics card?
[10:45] <Bjorn_> i think so cause he can't find any additional drivers
[10:47] <well_laid_lawn> the open source driver might be a better option
[10:48] <Bjorn_> how can i do that?
[10:49] <well_laid_lawn> I've never bothered with the proprietry drivers since I always use intel
[10:49] <Bjorn_> oh maybe this is also important, they onboard graphics cards broke, so now there's a PCI graphics cards
[10:50] <well_laid_lawn> if you have disabled the onboard in the bios then it shouldn't be affecting anything
[10:51] <well_laid_lawn> afaik pci is slower than agp
[10:52] <Bjorn_> what size of graphics card is recommended?
[10:53] <well_laid_lawn> 128mb should be fine with the right driver
[10:58] <Bjorn_> i checked and the card is disabled
[10:59] <Bjorn_> and the videocard is on an AGP slot so it's not PCI just checked
[11:01] <TheSheep> Bjorn_: can you check /var/log/Xorg.log and see which graphics driver it uses?
[11:04] <Bjorn_> just have the Xorg.0.log
[11:04] <Bjorn_> and the Xorg.0.log.old
[11:06] <Bjorn_> where in the Xorg.0.log can i find the driver i use
[11:06] <TheSheep> Bjorn_: it gives you a detailed log where it tries to detect different drivers
[11:07] <TheSheep> Bjorn_: you just need to read it, I'm afraid, I don't remember how the exact line looks like and I don't have xubuntu here to check
[11:08] <TheSheep> alternatively, maybe the 'xrandr' command will tell you what driver is being used
[11:09] <andyc> Is there any way I can change the sound indicator applet in xubuntu 11.10 to take me to PulseAudio Volume Control, instead of the XFCE mixer when I select sound settings
[11:09] <andyc> PulseAudio volume control is far more useful on a pulseaudio setup particularly with multiple cards/a USB headset
[11:12] <Bjorn_> TheSheep: i only see a list with al compatible resolutions and it's frequency that VGA is connected and DVI en Svideo is disconnected
[11:22] <Bjorn_> you guys could be right cause when xubuntu boots it shows first all colorized pixels and then turns in good resolution
[11:22] <TheSheep> Bjorn_: if it fell back to the 'vesa' driver, it's going to be slow
[11:23] <Bjorn_> i do see some information about vesa driver
[11:23] <TheSheep> !ati
[11:24] <Bjorn_> there's a line : Falling back to old probe method for vesa
[11:25] <Bjorn_> so maybe tis will be the prob
[11:25] <Bjorn_> thnx ubottu i'm reading it
[11:26] <TheSheep> !bot
[11:26] <TheSheep> :)
[11:26] <Bjorn_> haha i suck :D
[11:27] <TheSheep> there is nothing wrong in being polite to a bot :)
[11:27] <Bjorn_> idd ^^
[11:29] <Bjorn_> on the info from our dear bot they say: Change Driver "ati" to "radeon" -> OK
[11:29] <Bjorn_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCardsAti
[11:29] <Bjorn_> i have the ati radeon 9200 pro rv280
[11:30] <TheSheep> here is the description on how to edit your xorg.conf to force a certain driver: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto#Xorg.conf.d
[12:11] <johnnyzero> holstein, thank you so much! :)
[12:12] <johnnyzero> Downgrading to Ubuntu 10.10 did the trick. It was kernel 3 which was the reason why I was having loads of issues. Maybe my hardware just doesn't get along with it.
[14:39] <babble> sigh. lag?
[15:02] <antnash> Hey guys. I'm trying to install from the alternate but it's hanging after the network detection and I've just got a blue screen with a little square in the bottom left corner
[15:03] <Sysi> how long it's been like that?
[15:03] <antnash> about 10 mins. No movement from the bar.
[15:11] <antnash> Sysi, would that happen if it can't find a driver to a piece of hardware?
[15:12] <Sysi> not at that point.. I'd guess bad image/burn/cd
[15:14] <antnash> argh
[15:14] <antnash> Hope this next one works, my last disc
[15:15] <Sysi> what kind of machine you're installing to?
[15:15] <antnash> home built file server
[15:17] <antnash> my board won't boot from usb either.  Bad image I think
[15:24] <holstein> antnash: this is kind of fun http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html
[15:24] <holstein> assuming the USB is fast enough to use to boot, you can burn one PLOP iso image to CD, and use that to boot the machine and boot USB sticks
[15:25] <antnash> Well I'm out of discs now
[15:26] <antnash> gonna have to get some on the way back home
[15:33] <chupito57> hi
[15:34] <chupito57> i have a fresh install of xubuntu and  i will not to autolock my cdrom
[15:35] <chupito57> i have put dev.cdrom.lock=0 in sysctl.conf but it dont work
[15:35] <chupito57> can you help me?
[15:35] <zacarias> quick help: how do you view the repostories list delete a repository with the command line?
[15:36] <holstein> zacarias: /etc/apt/source.list?
[15:37] <holstein> you can comment them out.. i wouldnt delete them
[15:37] <holstein> chupito57: you mean automount?
[15:38] <chupito57> no automount
[15:39] <chupito57> i want to eject my cdrom by buton
[15:40] <holstein> im not sure.. im letting CD's go the way floppies went... but i see some bug reports relating to dev.cdrom.lock
[15:41] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/devicekit-disks/+bug/397734 for example
[15:41] <chupito57> ok thank you
[15:43] <chupito57> in my case i can eject after command 'eject -i off'
[15:43] <holstein> sounds like a 'work-around' to me
[16:14] <marion> happy halloween
[16:14] <marion> does anyone know how to permanently mount a partition
[16:16] <holstein> marion: check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions
[16:18] <marion> thank you holstein
[16:20] <GridCube> also
[16:20] <GridCube> !fstab | marion
[16:24] <marion> i pretty much want this to be done every time i boot " mount -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=0222 /dev/sdb1 /media/c"
[16:29] <marion> is there a way to do that?
[16:29] <Sysi> !automount
[16:29] <Sysi> !fstab
[16:30] <Sysi> (I've only used fstab)
[16:32] <chupito> hi
[16:33] <GridCube> hello
[16:33] <marion> Sysi I installed it but i dont understand how to run it
[16:34] <chupito> in xubuntu 11.10 i want to automount my removable media. I hve checked in system setting but nothing do
[16:34] <Sysi> read the help page
[16:34] <Sysi> usb drives should automount by default, normal xubuntu installation?
[16:34] <marion> speaking of 11.10 is there a way to install it from the internet
[16:35] <holstein> chupito: you can add it to fstab... its not trivial... i suggest knowing how to edit fstab from a live CD in case the machine doenst boot
[16:36] <chupito> ok it is a good idea. It is for my cdrom
[16:36] <Sysi> holstein: mount -a FTW
[16:37] <holstein> i wouldnt add removables to fstab personally
[16:38] <Sysi> differen't a
[16:38] <Sysi> guys asking you noticed?
[16:50] <chupito> holstein: it don't work
[16:51] <chupito> until my cdrom is mounted i can't eject
[16:51] <chupito> do you have the same ?
[16:52] <nilognap> hey guys, what year did steve jobs invent ubuntu
[17:04] <nilognap> why is it free
[17:05] <chupito> good by
[17:10] <xrdodrx> nilognap, Steve Jobs invented Ubuntu in the same year he invented the tablet computer, cell phone, television and PC :P
[17:11] <nilognap> hahaha
[17:11] <nilognap> he was the thomas edison of our times!
[17:11] <xrdodrx> a true revolutionary
[17:11] <Myrtti> nilognap: you're a boring troll, go play elsewhere
[17:12] <nilognap> Myrtti: hmm?
[17:12] <nilognap> Myrtti: are you bored?
[17:12] <nilognap> Myrtti: try trolling ubuntu fags
[17:12] <nilognap> its fun
[17:13] <drc> now he's in -offtopic
[17:31] <likemindead> How do I get Jupiter to show up in my tray? It says it is whitelisted.
[17:36] <likemindead> Meh. Just going to remove it.
[17:36] <xrdodrx> likemindead, try adding the notification area to the panel
[17:36] <xrdodrx> or not
[17:42] <ball> Does Xubuntu ship with some sort of podcast catcher thinggy?
[17:44] <pangolin> I just installed miro
[17:44] <pangolin> not sure if that is what you want
[17:44] <Myrtti> evince has a podcast thing, IMO
[17:45] <Pici> I thought evince was the pdf reader.
[17:45] <Myrtti> evince...
[17:45] <Myrtti> EXAILE
[17:45] <Myrtti> there we go
[17:45] <Myrtti> I've been doing too much work with pdflatex
[17:46] <ball> Ah, thanks.
[17:47] <ball> I don't see a tab for 'Podcasts'.  Perhaps they're tucked away under 'Radio'.
[17:49] <Myrtti> ah, requires a plugin
[17:50] <drc> ball you want audio or video podcasts or both?
[20:31] <PTBD> hallo. can somebody tell me which login manager is used in xubuntu?
[20:35] <drc> by default LDM
[20:35] <PTBD> drc, thank you
[20:53] <lrussell> hello
[20:53] <lrussell> would xubuntu 10.10 run on a pc with the following "6GB HD, 233MHZ Processor, and 384MB of ram". I don't care how fast/slow. I just wanna know if it would run.
[20:57] <andyc> lrussell, The Xubuntu website seems to think so
[20:58] <andyc> Try the alternate install CD
[20:59] <andyc> If I were you I would try it and see what happens - Possibly try a lighter window manager like fluxbox or openbox if it's too slow
[21:00] <madnick> that CPU :(
[21:00] <lrussell> ikr
[21:00] <lrussell> '96 pc man
[21:01] <andyc> What is it? a PII?
[21:02] <andyc> Yikes must be a PI from 96
[21:03] <lrussell> yep, a PI
[21:03] <lrussell> its supposed to be a crappy home server
[21:03] <lrussell> otherwise its to the dumb
[21:03] <lrussell> *dump
[21:03] <andyc> Ah right
[21:03] <andyc> In that case don't worry about a window manager
[21:03]  * lrussell wonders how well it will work
[21:04] <lrussell> a server with php and asp.net
[21:04] <lrussell> I'm gonna put another hd in it i think
[21:04] <lrussell> lol
[21:05] <lrussell> is there another os lighter than xubuntu that functions similar?
[21:05] <lrussell> maybe damn small linux
[21:05] <lrussell> but does it run ubuntu/xubuntu software?
[21:05] <drc> lrussell: Several...I'd check out Distrowatch, they have listings of most distros.
[21:06] <lrussell> kk, thanks
[21:06] <lrussell> wait, it has a PII, not 1, lol
[21:08] <andyc> lrussell, if you only want a few servers running on it I'd look at debian - you'll be familar with it because it uses apt for package management, but it doesn't install a lot of the stuff that comes with xubuntu
[21:08] <w30> lrussell, lubuntu is geared toward lightness all the way not just window manager but also application choices like chrome, abiword, paint instead of firefox gimp and libreoffice. I works great on my 8.6 gig netbook (although it does have an atom cpu. not a PII)
[21:09] <lrussell> lol
[21:09] <andyc> debian server that is not the desktop version
[21:09] <andyc> You need to be pretty comfortable on a command line though
[21:09] <lrussell> im going lubuntu
[21:10] <lrussell> on my other server, its running php and abyss web server
[21:10] <lrussell> abyss is pretty good
[21:10] <drc> lrussell: http://distrowatch.com/search.php?category=Old+Computers
[21:10] <w30> lrussell, I think you can get pretty much the functionality of ubuntu but you have to add it from the repos
[21:11] <w30> lrussell, carefully...
[21:11] <lrussell> carefully what?
[21:11] <lrussell> idc about file managers or crap. it just needs to have networking and take server software
[21:12] <w30> lrussell, what you add otherwise you might as well stick with xubuntu or a non GUI server
[21:12] <lrussell> i want gui, lol
[21:12] <drc> lrussell: server?  with 6gig HDD (half of which will be taken bu the OS)?  Good luck.
[21:13] <lrussell> i have external memory
[21:13] <lrussell> for the server  data
[21:14] <andyc> lrussell you don't need a window manager if all you're doing is serving a few files and running apache or lighttpd
[21:16] <drc> My guess is:  He'll be back moaning about how slow his "server" is :)
[21:25] <w30> a few bucks or a contact at some back dock at a corporation where they are throwing out stuff might be a better use of labor hours unless you are located in Tibet
[21:35] <yomi> how can I run fsck
[21:36] <holstein> yomi: check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SystemAdministration/Fsck
[21:36] <holstein> i typically just get a live CD... something like http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[21:37] <yomi> thank you...also...I just had to shut it down. the Caps Lock and Scroll Lock LED's were flashing, is that kernel panic?
[21:37] <holstein> maybe
[21:37] <holstein> doesnt sound good... could be some hardware issue too
[21:40] <yomi> I turned it on when I had gotten back and I tried to remove a package via Synaptic, but Synaptic crashed out...then it started telling me it couldn't find any applications....then the language went all weird...blocks instead of letters. So I shut it down, and it displayed...Ext4 fs error device sda1
[21:41] <genii-around> yomi: Yes, all three keys blinking on/off in unison is a symptom of kernel panic
[21:46] <yomi> according to the link I should type this "fsck -F file_system_type partition" so I put this " sudo fsck -F ext4 /dev/sda1" but it outputs the help
[21:48] <holstein> yomi: check out http://www.howforge.com/how-force-fsck-ubuntu ... and again, i like to use a live CD for that
[21:49] <yomi> I'll try that.
[21:59] <yomi> okay...seems stable, is there a way I can check the output of fsck?
[22:09] <yomi> when I try to uninstall framework-4.0.0, when I try to execute the "uninstall" from the folder,  I get this "uninstall: 1: Syntax error: "(" unexpected" is there a way to fix that? I still have the .run file, it outputs the same thing.
[22:20] <holstein> yomi: from what folder?
[22:20] <yomi> /opt/
[22:20] <holstein> if you install things that are not from the repos, its hard to say
[22:20] <holstein> typically, you install with a package manger, and also, you can remove with a package manager
[22:20] <holstein> yomi: how did you install it?
[22:21] <yomi> from a .run file that I had to...chmod +x? to install it
[22:21] <holstein> right, so there will be instructions on how to uninstall there as well
[22:23] <babble> or libcurl, rather.
[22:23] <babble> (wrong window, sorry)
[22:24] <yomi> but if I try to use the .run file, it gives the same error as the uninstall.
[22:24] <holstein> what .run?
[22:24] <holstein> yomi: did you install? or did that fail as well?
[22:25] <holstein> what are you trying to install? can you find it in the repos?
[22:25] <holstein> i suggest looking there first... going with what is in ubuntus repos first, then i typically try adding a PPA, then i go for a deb or build/install a custom package like you are using
[22:25] <yomi> this;  framework-4.0.0-linux-full.run
[22:26] <yomi> I'm trying to uninstall
[22:27] <holstein> yomi: libmono-microsoft-build-framework4.0-cil - Mono Microsoft.Build.Framework library (for CLI 4.0) ?
[22:27] <holstein> yomi: right... but you'll need to reference whoever maintains the package for how to remove it
[22:28] <yomi> framework for metasploit and armitage ? that's what I used it for.
[22:28] <holstein> if you want to be doing things like that, you'll want to figure out how to remove that application
[22:29] <holstein> it should be in the documentation somewhere
[22:29] <holstein> i do not have access to it, and its not the pacakge from the repos, so i dont konw how it works
[22:30] <holstein> yomi: if you are running a command, and getting an error, pastebin the error
[22:30] <yomi> okay
[22:31] <holstein> yomi: its the .run you got from here?
[22:31] <holstein> http://metasploit.com/download/
[22:33] <yomi> yeah
[22:34] <holstein> http://www.backtrack-linux.org/forums/beginners-forum/29888-how-uninstall-metasploit-framework.html
[22:47] <yomi> Well I've just told it to remove the directory...I'll see what happens.
[22:47] <yomi> looks like its gone.
[22:47] <yomi> Thank You.
[23:46] <astartoth> hi all, recently installed xubuntu via a pen drive (unetbootin) in a friends laptop. Plymouth wasn't working after the install completed, i.e., on shutdown the splash screen was shown but during boot-up it wasn't.
[23:47] <astartoth> has anyone had the same problem?
[23:49] <madnick> Yes, it seems to be common
[23:50] <madnick> It seems to happen with certain drivers
[23:50] <astartoth> i think the laptop was equipped with an nvidia but i'm not sure
[23:51] <madnick> There is, workarounds, but quite annoying work arounds :)
[23:51] <madnick> editing boot lines etc
[23:51] <astartoth> is it possible to fix? or should one just disable plymouth for the time being
[23:51] <astartoth> ?
[23:51] <astartoth> you mean in grub?
[23:51] <madnick> yes
[23:51] <astartoth> hmm
[23:52] <madnick> I just got a question
[23:52] <madnick> Was the computer shutdown properly?
[23:52] <astartoth> I might try to see what happens.. any resourse on the matter so I can test it out?
[23:52] <astartoth> it was
[23:52] <madnick> oh okay
[23:52] <madnick> ill look 1 sec
[23:54] <madnick> http://askubuntu.com/questions/54880/plymouth-and-grub-do-not-show-at-all
[23:54] <astartoth> btw, let me tell you that I was quite impressed with xubuntu. very fast install process, everything working out of the box, good looking XFCE
[23:54] <madnick> I recgonize the setup at the bottom comments
[23:54] <madnick> :)
[23:56] <astartoth> ah, askubuntu
[23:59] <astartoth> ok, I think that, by default, vt.handoff=7 is already enabled.