[23:33] <cwillu_at_work> rcn-ee, poke poke
[23:33] <cwillu_at_work> I have more information on my memory leak I mentioned to you a while ago
[23:51] <cwillu_at_work> rcn-ee, specifically, the ethernet on the zippy is implicated:  I get a massive and increasing number of 2kb slab allocations, until the system can no longer allocated anything
[23:51] <cwillu_at_work> er, allocate
[23:51] <cwillu_at_work> if I disconnect the network cable, the allocations stop


[03:35] <Eickmeyer> So... new plymouth theme to fix bug 1969984? Let me know what you think. https://nextcloud.ericheickmeyer.com/index.php/s/RmRzLbKF7nRWQt9 (Note: the Kubuntu Focus logo there changes depending on the hardware manufacturer, same logic is used in the Ubuntu and Ubuntu Studio plymouth themes)
[12:10] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/bde2515e/file_55440.jpg
[12:14] <mamarley> You beat me!
 kinetik 😏
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/4e89323a/mp4.mp4
[14:34] <RikMills> mparillo: I hate wordpress also!
[14:34] <RikMills> may have fixed it, but the site is taking an age to take any updates
[14:37] <mparillo> Thank you. As frustratingly slow as the Ubuntu wiki is, I prefer it to WordPress.
[14:46] <RikMills> mparillo: updated now
[14:46] <RikMills> that was quite a fight to get it to work!
[14:53] <Eickmeyer> New plymouth theme to fix bug 1969984. Let me know what you think. https://nextcloud.ericheickmeyer.com/index.php/s/RmRzLbKF7nRWQt9 (Note: the Kubuntu Focus logo there changes depending on the hardware manufacturer, same logic is used in the Ubuntu and Ubuntu Studio plymouth themes)
[14:53] <Eickmeyer> That nextcloud link is a video.
 Right. Can we have a deb package so can test it on a machine?
[15:03] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: Sure, I'd just have to package it in kubuntu-settings as a ppa package. I'll do that later today.
[15:13] <Eickmeyer> @RikMills: Should be available in a little while in ppa:eeickmeyer/kubuntuplymouth
[19:05] <Eickmeyer> Ok, everyone:
[19:05] <Eickmeyer> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:eeickmeyer/kubuntuplymouth
[19:05] <Eickmeyer> sudo apt install plymouth-theme-kubuntu-logo
[19:05] <Eickmeyer> Let me know what you think
[19:05] <Eickmeyer> RikMills:  ^
[19:08] <RikMills> Eickmeyer: will try to look later, or in the morning. a bit tied up ATM
[19:08] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: No worries.
[20:36] <mparillo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-website/+bug/1970404/comments/2
 Thank you mparillo!
[22:30]  * mamarley would like to upgrade to Kinetic, but his PPA packages haven't built yet and the buildfarm is, um, screwed: https://launchpad.net/builders


[08:19] <dholbach> good morning
[09:56] <philipballew> Is there an official ubuntu announcement about UDS date and location anywhere so I can paste it to the Gdoc?
[09:57]  * philipballew hunts via the power of Google
[10:16] <dholbach> philipballew, I think Jono blogged about it
[10:16] <dholbach> or at least mentioned it on the Facebook/G+ page
[10:16] <philipballew> dholbach, alright, ill look there
[11:11] <dholbach> bkerensa, let me know if you got any replies from the interviews or if I need to make up a story for the interview/spotlight section ;-)
[15:56] <dholbach> bkerensa, I think I'm done with it now
[15:57] <dholbach> bkerensa, if you want to proofread or add anything, let me know
[15:57] <dholbach> in the meantime I'll go and take the dog for a walk


[16:31] <MikeRL> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vino/+bug/1196668 Anyone willing to fix this? $20 bounty.
[16:31] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1196668 in vino (Ubuntu) "VNC crashes on startup on Raring" [Undecided,New]
[16:33] <MikeRL> It's also verified by a GNOME developer to be Ubuntu-specific, I just cannot get a stack trace. Apport is acting up.
[16:57] <MikeRL> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vino/+bug/1196668 Anyone willing to fix this? $20 bounty
[16:57] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1196668 in vino (Ubuntu) "VNC crashes on startup on Raring" [Undecided,New]
[17:00] <MikeRL> Anyone? I need someone to look into the bug if willing and fix it. I promise a reward.
[17:12] <TheLordOfTime> MikeRL:  offering "rewards" doesn't help
[17:12] <MikeRL> Hmm. It doesn't? I thought it would help. Oh well. Can I still get the bug triaged? Vino is unusable.
[17:13] <TheLordOfTime> no it doesn't help you.  offering a reward is a moot point because anyone in the community can help if they know the package.  until someone can confirm the bug i'm not going to mark it at all for triaging
[17:14]  * TheLordOfTime doesn't have a system to test on
[17:14] <MikeRL> Hmm. Then I'll just wait. Any way I can get someone to confirm the bug?
[17:15] <TheLordOfTime> MikeRL:  find someone who has a system that is running Raring and is willing to run vino / vino-server with similar configuration to see if it works or crashes.
[17:15] <TheLordOfTime> if it crashes and is confirmed unusable someone will probably go poking at it
[17:15] <TheLordOfTime> especially since it's in main
[17:15] <MikeRL> TheLordOfTime: OK, thanks. Should I ask here or at #ubuntu?
[17:16] <TheLordOfTime> well, #ubuntu is for support, this place is a good place to ask for a bug squad member to help confirm
[17:16] <TheLordOfTime> but this channel's not the most active.
[17:16] <Guest14861> I've used vino-server on raring without problems
[17:17] <TheLordOfTime> MikeRL:  if i can get time to spin up a Raring machine i'll take a look
[17:17] <Guest14861> ugh, why am I guested, 1 moment
[17:17] <MikeRL> heLordOfTime: Well, then I'll just ask here first, and there as well, and wait a bit. Also thanks for the assistance.
[17:17] <TheLordOfTime> Guest14861:  probably because of the splits freenode had last night
[17:17] <TheLordOfTime> causing some interesting... things.
[17:18] <MikeRL> OK, so is anyone completely free now to see if vino is acting up?
[17:18] <MikeRL> If not now, just let me know when.
[17:19] <MikeRL> Let me reword myself: Can someone assist me in confirming a bug in vino? It may take two or three steps, but shouldn't take too long.
[17:19] <MikeRL> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vino/+bug/1196668
[17:19] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1196668 in vino (Ubuntu) "VNC crashes on startup on Raring" [Undecided,New]
[17:20] <TheLordOfTime> MikeRL:  identifying testing steps in the bug would help a ton.
[17:23] <MikeRL> Oh, ok. So what I done to trigger it goes as follows: 1) Search the dash for "Desktop Sharing" and click it. 2) Modify some preferences. Make sure the icon in the notification area is set to "Always visible". 3) Close desktop sharing. 4) The icon should disappear on an updated Raring machine. Also, there is one more step. 5) Run /usr/lib/vino/vino-server from a terminal. It should crash.
[17:26] <MikeRL> TheLordOfTime: If you have had a moment, have you witnessed a crash yet?
[17:28] <TheLordOfTime> MikeRL:  i don't have a spare system to test on here
[17:29]  * TheLordOfTime also isn't near his testing machine
[17:29] <TheLordOfTime> i also don't have spare time, i'm late for something...
[17:29] <TheLordOfTime> </off.
[17:29] <MikeRL> TheLordOfTime: Regardless, thanks for your help.
[17:30] <MikeRL> TheLordOfTime: Go do what you have to do. I'll stick around here a bit and try #ubuntu.
[17:32] <MikeRL> So, I will leave this message here, and repost every half hour: Anyone available to help confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vino/+bug/1196668 ? To trigger the bug, you'll need to do the following: 1) Search the dash for "Desktop Sharing" and click it. 2) Modify some preferences. Make sure the icon in the notification area is set to "Always visible". 3) Close desktop sharing. 4) The icon should disappear on an updated R
[17:32] <MikeRL> aring machine. Also, there is one more step. 5) Run /usr/lib/vino/vino-server from a terminal. It should crash.
[17:32] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1196668 in vino (Ubuntu) "VNC crashes on startup on Raring" [Undecided,New]
[18:20] <MikeRL> Issue fixed. Never mind.
 Issue fixed. Never mind.  <---- okay then?


[00:38] <doctormo> Nic work greg-g
[00:38] <doctormo> nice*
[03:31] <greg-g> doctormo: thanks! :)
[05:31]  * nigelb yawns
[05:48] <nigelb> mhall119: Thank you,Thank you, Thank you :-)
[05:48] <nigelb> mhall119: I owe you big time :-)
[05:54] <nigelb> OMG,Its paultag's birthday!
[07:38] <paultag> nigelb: ja :_
[07:38] <paultag> nigelb: I'm going to be honest, I'm really really drunk
[07:38] <paultag> this amazing girl took me out :)
[07:38] <paultag> nigelb: but thanks :)
[07:38] <nigelb> :)
[09:37] <duanedesign> morning all
[11:40] <nigelb> hey duanedesign
[11:40] <nigelb> duanedesign: we missed you last night ;)
[12:13] <kim0> nice, just noticed on the network-managre indicator, clicking on "Enable wireless" to uncheck it and disable wireless, doesn't really do anything. Can anyone confirm
[14:14] <jussi> Hello all!
[14:15] <Pendulum> hi jussi :)
[14:15] <jussi> anyone know what software canonical uses for shop.ubuntu.com ?
[14:15] <jussi> o/ Pendulum
[14:17] <popey> its a 3rd party site isnt it jussi ?
[14:17] <popey> always was run by merchandise mania
[14:17] <jussi> it does say the stuff is made by merchandise mania, but Im not sure about the site...
[14:18] <jussi>  The promotional products on this store are provided by Merchandise Mania Limited.
[14:18] <popey> doesnt look like its hosted by them
[14:18] <popey> (canonical)
[14:18] <jussi> :/
[14:18]  * popey notes not one but two google tracking urchins on that page
[14:19] <jussi> I looked at the page source there, but found no clues...
[14:21] <popey> zen cart
[14:22] <popey> http://www.zen-cart.com/
[14:22] <jussi> ok, thanks :)
[14:23] <popey> np
[14:26] <czajkowski> aloha
[14:31] <Pendulum> hiya czajkowski
[14:32] <nigelb> hello hello
[14:32] <czajkowski> Pendulum: howdy
[14:37] <jussi> czajkowski: hows the back?
[14:50] <czajkowski> so so
[14:50] <czajkowski> cant take any of the strong meds I usually take
[14:50] <czajkowski> so in a bit of a catch 22 atm
[14:54] <nigelb> nice video http://www.ted.com/talks/dave_meslin_the_antidote_to_apathy.html
[15:23] <vish> jcastro: Bug #762455 something to think about for future?
[15:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 762455 in example-content "Add a video tutorial for Unity instead of the default examples video and audio" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/762455
[15:23] <jcastro> yeah
[15:23] <jcastro> but people have been talking about video intros since 4.10
[15:24] <vish> jcastro: maybe worth assigning to some design team folk to get it done Unity-classy ;)
[15:24] <mhall119> happy birthday paultag!
[15:25] <jussi> czajkowski: *hugs*
[15:26] <paultag> mhall119: thanks!
[15:26] <paultag> recoving from a bit of a hangover right now
[15:26] <Pendulum> paultag: happy birthday!
[15:26] <nigelb> paultag: Happy Birthday again now that you're less drunk :P
[15:26] <paultag> thanks, Pendulum :)
[15:26] <paultag> nigelb: aye! :)
[15:28] <nigelb> im sad that there is no ascii art in the channel ;p
[15:28] <paultag> hehehe
[15:30] <paultag> oh, nigelb, did you see I got +w on git.fluxbox?
[15:30] <paultag> it's awesome
[15:31] <jussi> paultag: have a mellow birthday :)
[15:31] <paultag> jussi: dude, I tried so effing hard to do that
[15:31] <paultag> jussi: but my friends are making a bit deal out of this
[15:31] <jussi> aww
[15:32] <paultag> I honestly hate birthdays so much
[15:32]  * jussi passes paultag some nice mellow music :)
[15:32] <paultag> thanks :)
[15:32] <mhall119> paultag: but you went out drinking with an amazing girl
[15:32] <nigelb> paultag: oh, wait. you got +w only now? :-P
[15:32] <nigelb> mhall119++
[15:32] <nigelb> mhall119: (we did see that invite in his mailbox :p)
[15:33] <paultag> oh jeez, I need to read scrollback
[15:33] <paultag> I was not on IRC, was I?
[15:33] <nigelb> yes you were
[15:33] <mhall119> lol
[15:33]  * paultag facepalms
[15:33] <mhall119> ha ha ha
[15:33] <paultag> sorry everyone, just /clear that off
[15:33] <nigelb> hahahaha
[15:33] <nigelb> we're going to submit that and this together to bash.org
[15:33] <nigelb> mhall119: ^^ thoughts?
[15:33] <paultag> noooooo wayyyyyyy
[15:34] <mhall119> give the guy a break, it was his birthday
[15:34] <nigelb> ok ok :p
[15:34] <paultag> I was blasted-d-d-d
[15:34] <nigelb> mhall119: Thanks again for taking over last night
[15:34] <mhall119> if that doesn't entitle him to drunken IRC'ing, I don't know what does
[15:34] <mhall119> nigelb: no problem, it went pretty well
[15:35] <nigelb> mhall119: \o/
[15:35] <nigelb> mhall119: I suppose we should do this every time :)
[15:35] <nigelb> mhall119: for UOW though, maybe we could have people talk about their contribution to ubuntu from different teams (though that might sound like ads), you'd be advertising your team to the community...
[15:36] <mhall119> by "this" you mean "lightinging talks" not "Agreeing to host a lightning talk without doing the UTC conversion then trying to find someone else who can do it" right?
[15:36] <nigelb> yes :p
[15:36] <nigelb> mhall119: I did do the utc conversion, but I'm getting far too little sleep these days
[15:37] <mhall119> just switch to US timezone sleep patterns
[15:37] <nigelb> I wish my work would accept that :p
[15:37] <mhall119> your work is in US timezone isn't it?
[15:43] <nigelb> Nope
[16:22] <duanedesign> nigelb: I am sooooo sorry I missed the lightning talk.
[16:24] <duanedesign> i feel really awful letting everyone down.
[17:16]  * nigelb hugs duanedesign
[17:16] <nigelb> duanedesign: I missed them too :p
[17:31] <AlanBell> all set for our LoCo quiz night in a few hours
[17:32] <AlanBell> if anyone wants to observe/laugh then it will be in #ubuntu-trivia and audio on mumble at mumble.libertus.co.uk
[23:19] <cjohnston> The ubuntu community rocks
[23:19] <cjohnston> I'm talking to people in Croatia who are helping with planning our trip!
[23:26] <Pendulum> :)


[01:42] <ibeardslee> I enjoy telling Dell to bugger off until they can sell laptops with Linux
[01:45] <ajmitch> ibeardslee: they do in some countries, pity they don't in NZ
[02:25] <ajmitch> so I see there's https://developers.google.com/compute/ - default OS image is ubuntu 12.04
[02:46] <lifeless> along with the GCEU. Which is, 2.75* a cpu. WTF> :>
[02:49] <ajmitch> yeah, not exactly easy to figure out
[02:50] <ojwb> perhaps it's set so 1 GCEU is roughly 1GHz on some particular CPU?
[02:53] <lifeless> ojwb: I commented a bit on g+
[02:53] <lifeless> ojwb: I think its set to permit clean increments as cpu capabilities scale
[02:53] <lifeless> but I think this is going to fail
[02:55] <mwhudson> https://plus.google.com/107994348420168435683/posts/RnUJEfMTQ4M made me smile
[03:44]  * ojwb watches the telecom customer care rep who just knocked on the door walk down the drive next door, with the 2 degrees ute parked in it...
[03:45] <ibeardslee> heh
[21:24] <kcj> Morning.
[23:16] <ojwb> morning


[08:48] <Pim_> Hello
[10:24] <d1mxns1n> need help with root permission- config intrusion
[13:03] <dragon2> is it wise to install lubunto on an old mac?
[13:03] <dragon2> I don't now if people do dual installs anymore, or do things from scratch?
 is it wise to use an old mac?
[13:03] <dragon2> lol
[13:03] <dragon2> This one tured out rather nice
 try it, either it works or not
[13:04] <dragon2> an imac, runs fine
[13:05] <dragon2> I think the new retina screens might be better, but I don't complain about the specs on this one for regular work
[13:06] <dragon2> macs aren't as cumbersome as they used to be, I think the hard ware is pretty much pc these days, even if they still insist "this is not a pc"
[13:07] <dragon2> I think they still make ppc distros, maybe for old macs, but probably for the large capacity IBM processors
[13:10] <dragon2> I aim for a stable work station
[15:21] <Ron79> hello
[15:21] <Ron79> is anybody online here
[15:21] <Ron79> ?
 @Ron79 [<Ron79> is anybody online here], 👍


[01:01] <hallyn> rharper: hey, just checking - have you had any time to look at the uvtool-ification of auto-upgrade-testing package?  (I haven't, but wondering where to put it on my list)
[02:46] <rharper> hallyn: I've not yet looked, I read your patch, but been blocked on other tasks
[03:02] <hallyn> rharper: ok, thanks - ttyl
[06:21] <Beatstreet> trying to move files from two simularily named folders to one location and mv command fails
[06:21] <Beatstreet> I dont have the space for cp or rsync
[06:22] <Beatstreet> trying to make /home/user/drive1/ARCHIVE and /home/user/drive2/ARCHIVE combine into /home/user/ARCHIVE
[06:23] <Beatstreet> any help?
[06:24] <sheptard> unionfs?
[06:25] <Beatstreet> isnt that for different mounts?
[11:22] <MertenNor> I just installed Ubunto Server ubuntu 12.04.4 server Iand I get this when it boots up: http://i.imgur.com/p4IjLaj.jpg?1
[11:25] <MertenNor> anyone ? xD
[12:16] <MertenNor> I just installed Ubunto Server ubuntu 12.04.4 server Iand I get this when it boots up: http://i.imgur.com/p4IjLaj.jpg?1
[12:17] <JanC> MertenNor: please don't repeat questions all the time  :)
[12:17] <JanC> something makes the kernel crash
[12:17] <JanC> when it tries to mount the root filesystem, I think, but I'm no expert
[12:18] <JanC> maybe earlier lines on the screen could help, not sure
[12:19] <MertenNor> is there a way I can copy the boot sequence.. ?
[12:19] <MertenNor> or whatever it is called xD
[12:22] <JanC> if it happens very early during boot (before logs can be written to disk), you'd probably need a serial console for that (but the kernel developers are more likely to be able to help with that)
[12:22] <JanC> also, isn't that a laptop?
[12:24] <MertenNor> JanC yeah its a laptop.. xD I know
[12:25] <JanC> well, 12.04 did already have generic kernel, so shouldn't matter
[12:25] <JanC> ... I think
[12:25] <MertenNor> ok.. ? I know knwo xD
[12:30] <JanC> MertenNor: did you also try with other Ubuntu versions?  maybe even older 12.04 or with the older/original 12.04 kernel?
[12:30] <JanC> oh, an maybe also test the hardware (memory, disk)
[12:31] <yeats> !bootchart | MertenNor
[12:31] <MertenNor> I have only tried 12.04
[12:31] <JanC> yeats: not very useful if the kernel crashes  :)
[12:31] <MertenNor> how do I do that ?
[12:32] <MertenNor> is there a guie anywere ?
[12:32] <MertenNor> guide*
[12:33] <MertenNor> ill brb (15-20 min) or so.. dinner..
[12:33] <MertenNor> ill be in the channel.. so just post and Ill read later
[12:33] <JanC> guide for what?
[12:34] <yeats> JanC: oops - didn't have full context ;-)
 I just installed Ubunto Server ubuntu 12.04.4 server Iand I get this when it boots up: http://i.imgur.com/p4IjLaj.jpg?1
[12:35] <JanC> yeats: ^^^
[12:36] <yeats> JanC: thanks
[12:36] <yeats> looks like a hardware problem
[12:36] <JanC> hardware problem or a kernel bug
[12:38] <JanC> or maybe even a configuration/installation problem (as, apparently, the installer did boot)
[12:38]  * yeats would rule out the former before trying to chase down the latter
[12:49] <MertenNor> b
[12:50] <MertenNor> JanC ^
[14:20] <ruben23> hi guys anyone can help i have a ubuntu server but i wanted not to turn off the monitor..how do i set this. Thanks
[14:21] <ruben23> any idea guys..?
[14:23] <hitsujiTMO> ruben23: try: setterm -powersave off -blank 0
[14:24] <ruben23> setterm: cannot (un)set powersave mode: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[14:24] <ruben23> thats the error output..
[14:25] <hitsujiTMO> ruben23: do you have an xserver instlled?
[14:25] <ruben23>  hitsujiTMO: this will not work if i dont have x server installed, does it really need an x server installed..?
[14:26] <hitsujiTMO> ruben23: no it doesn't work if you DO have an xserver running :P
[14:26] <hitsujiTMO> ruben23: try just: setterm -blank 0
[14:28] <hitsujiTMO> ruben23: there's also this option http://serverfault.com/questions/137728/how-do-i-permanently-disable-linuxs-console-screen-saver-system-wide
[14:28] <ruben23> nothing happens now - just blank after i enter
[14:29] <ruben23> would this work now..? since when i input setterm -blank 0 <----------- no error just blank
[14:32] <ruben23> hitsujiTMO..?
[14:32] <hitsujiTMO> ruben23: ahh, try: setterm -blank 10             again then
[14:34] <hitsujiTMO> ruben23: as it, it just works for that session, so if you're having trouble switch to another tty
[14:47] <ruben23> hitsujiTMO: still there
[14:47] <ruben23> the monitor still shuts off..
[14:48] <hitsujiTMO> ruben23: even on another tty?
[14:49] <hitsujiTMO> ruben23: you should still be able to blindly type: setterm -blank 1
[14:49] <hitsujiTMO> ruben23: you should still be able to blindly type: setterm -blank 10
[15:10] <TJ-> ruben23: how about "setterm -powersave off" ? see "man setterm"
[15:33] <ruben23> TJ-:  hi i tried that command already..
[15:33] <ruben23> but nothing happen yet
[15:33] <ruben23> any concrete solutions somehow please
[15:35] <TJ-> ruben23: You first need to identify at which level the screen is blanking... is it the monitor DPMS, or a higher level?
[15:35] <ruben23> how do identify this..? please help
[15:36] <TJ-> ruben23: By investigating the system, reading documentation and investigating useful diagnosis tools
[15:39] <ruben23> setterm -blank 0, this command i already set - the monitor that turns off is the local monitor connected diredctly to the server..
[18:23] <ruben23> hi there guys i have ubuntu desktop when i plug in the headset the mic have very load echo sound very bad quality audio any idea how to correct this..?
[19:58] <KristianDK> Hi there. I'm trying to install `language-pack-en` on a brand new ubuntu server installation (on ec2) right after apt-get update. I get E: Unable to locate package language-pack-en - is there something obvious that could be wrong?
[19:58] <KristianDK> I did check /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:04] <TJ-> KristianDK: Try "apt-cache policy language-pack-en"
[20:27] <joshu__> how do you debug an init.d script which works fine when I execute it directly /etc/init.d/myscript start, but doesn't execute on boot?
[20:31] <TJ-> joshu__: add logging to it in some way, it probably already calls the library log_message functions, you can add more or enable some VERBOSE or DEBUG switch in the script that already does more reporting
[20:32] <joshu__> TJ- I have this in the case start switch "log_action_msg "Starting" but I don't know where to see this log message
[20:33] <TJ-> joshu__: It should be syslog
[20:34] <TJ-> joshu__: But if I recall correctly, most of those log messages go to the console at boot-time
[22:19] <joshu> is grep -r word / the best way to search for any file contaiing "word" ?
[23:08] <sarthor_> how to know in command prompt that my Linux is 32bit or 64bit
[23:11] <bekks> sarthor_: file /bin/bash and uname -a
[23:12] <sarthor_> bekks: uname -a
[23:12] <sarthor_> Linux bbbutton 2.6.32-38-generic #83-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jan 4 11:13:04 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux
[23:12] <sarthor_> , is this 32bit?
[23:13] <TJ-> "uname -m"
[23:14] <sarthor_> TJ-: arch did same, thanks
[23:15] <sarthor_> TJ-: but it says i686, not 32bit
[23:15] <TJ-> You have to know your architectures :)
[23:17] <TJ-> If you have "dpkg-architecture" installed (package dpkg-dev) you can look at DEB_{BUILD,HOST}_ARCH_BITS


[00:13] <Shadow__X> hey guys what does found 6 off air channels mean
[03:58] <mrand> Shadow__X: I assume that means channels in your database which it did not detect a signal on.  But I could be wrong... I've never like the wording (or methods) of the channel scanner.  #mythtv-users would be the best way to confirm
[03:58] <mrand> Speaking of which, I was just about to fire up a scan to add my QAM channels back.  I was messing around with it the other week and something to hosed.
[04:11] <Shadow__X> mrand: yeah i tried to use scte65scan but it was not really helping me much
[04:11] <Shadow__X> so i did it manually
[04:11] <Shadow__X> i am about 80 percent done
[04:12] <Shadow__X> and blew through more time then i want to admin
[04:16] <Shadow__X> comcast should just not make changes
[04:48] <mrand> Shadow__X: I know the feeling.  I spent a good chunk of my saturday (9 days ago) cleaning up my channels, only to somehow mess something up because it wouldn't tune at all randomly.  Had to delete everything I'd done and just get OTA working before I left on a business trip at 5am the next morning.
[04:48] <mrand> Just now getting back to getting QAM back online.  I personallly think myth should be focusing more on finding ways to be the best streaming solution out there, but they seem caught up on tuner based stuff - which might not be so bad if it weren't such a huge chore.
[04:51] <Shadow__X> mrand: well the thing is sure this had a huge problem for me but it was working for around a year without me needing to touch it
[04:52] <Shadow__X> so honestly with how much i record i can deal with under 20 hours on maintenance over a 1 or so
[04:52] <Shadow__X> year
[05:21] <mrand> yeah.
[05:26] <superm1> mrand: yeah i'm starting to feel that in our current day and age tuners are turning into an old tech and streaming is the future
[05:26] <superm1> i am considering picking up a roku and playing with the mythroku private channel a bit to see if I can augment that as a frontend instead
[05:27] <Shadow__X> superm1: i know the myth devs have mythnetvision but when i have tried it it barely worked
[05:27] <Shadow__X> am i doing something wrong or is it just that bad?
[05:27] <Shadow__X> i currently use boxee when i want any web stuff
[05:28] <superm1> Shadow__X: yeah it doesn't support the big stuff i wanted it to support either
[05:28] <superm1> and it was a fairly bad experience
[05:28] <Shadow__X> ok i thought it was me
[05:29] <superm1> it comes with the territory though, if you're going to have closed source clients and protocols and undocumented APIs on all these other devices (apple tv, roku, google tv, boxee box etc) it's not going to improve on the open source stack
[05:29] <superm1> which is an unfortunate situation
[05:30] <Shadow__X> oh sure but even boxee on the same machine make its easier to browser youtube and the like
[05:30] <Shadow__X> i really wish there was netflix support in linux :(
[05:30] <superm1> oh yeah me too
[05:30] <superm1> and true on youtube + boxee
[05:49] <Shadow__X> i really want a hdhr prime
[05:49] <Shadow__X> and a hdpvr
[05:49] <Shadow__X> then more storage :)
[07:06] <Shadow__X> superm1: only the old roku does component right?
[07:17] <superm1> Shadow__X: i don't know for sure
[07:18] <superm1> Shadow__X: looks like it
[07:24] <Shadow__X> welp that stinks
[07:25] <Shadow__X> i have a sony kp 510ws that looks great with a xbox 360 going over component but when using a computer over component i get horizontal scan lines  and i cant use the dvi port on it
[17:05] <Unguided> Hello all. Newb question. If i set up mythbuntu and use a regular desktop, i can install other programs as well correct. IE: dhcp server, samba, network infrastructure to run of the myth box?
[17:06] <dekarl> sure, mythbuntu is basically plain ubuntu plus addons
[17:08] <Unguided> sweet. I figured if the box is gonna run all the time why not use the computer to its fullest. i was also worried about breaking myth. I dont suppose mtyhbuntu would handle the occasional virtual machine for testing purposes at the ssame time as running myth would it?
[17:09] <dekarl> Why should it be running all the time? You can configure automatic shutdown and wakeup if you like.
[17:09] <dekarl> I don't know anything about virtual machines, but adding some for testing on top of a beefy mythtv machine should be no problem
[17:12] <Unguided> I didnt know that but i havent gotten that far yet. i am running a quad core with 8 or 16 megs of ram depending on which computer i use.
[17:14] <Unguided> I believe that should be beefy enough or i could spplit the difference and make them both 12 megs of ram. either way they are both quad core.
[17:18] <Unguided> dekarl: thank you so much for your help. now i must sleep. i worked all night. yuck.
[17:20] <dekarl> gotta leave, too see you


[02:34] <guiverc> I like how memoriam appears (at the top) Bashing-om
[02:34]  * guiverc adds thanks !
[02:35]  * guiverc actually smiles too at mate no gui appearing in UF list (though that's a negative story..)
[02:38] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Wasn't too hartd to persuade :P
[02:38] <guiverc> Bashing-om, does my usage of local date format (dd-mmm-yy) worry you.. i note we have a yy-mmm-ddd then two later use mmm-dd-yyyy which I'm noticing today.. I used to resist my dd-mm-yy usage in the past but have stopped for some reason
[02:40] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I am dyslexic by nature - so these format issues goes right by me.
[02:42] <guiverc> linuxfest nw has mm-dd yet ubuntu-uk & fossasia use dd-mm-yyy (as those regions do actually; ie. local format for each region is actually correct.. but we're using both.. I'm not fussed, but should we change it?
[02:42] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I have to esert care in making up the LoCo Events items to insure these are consistent - and even so I still make errors :(
[02:42] <guiverc> I suspect those are incorrect due to formats used in my summary... (I have original mousepad here I could look but don't see need)
[02:43] <guiverc> yep.. formats match my summaries as originally written in mousepad
[02:44] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I am of the opinion that "local" usage should prevail - how the author intended /// Just the way I see this.
[02:44] <guiverc> (current has us accurate to the author... but we're inconsistent throughout uwn as a result)
[02:44] <guiverc> ack.. it doesn't worry me either..  just noting here as I saw it today
[02:46] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Not fussed on my part - note too that Discourse has also changed the date format in its templates.
[02:48] <guiverc> s/Here are told the results/Here we are told the results/   low latency kernel one (or other minor edit needed)
[02:50] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Good catch !
[02:52] <Bashing-om> in editing mode.
[02:54] <guiverc> Bashing-om, can you quickly read nautilus one, the wording of " detection of copy/moves over the 4GB limit of FAT file-systems" I wonder if clear enough, vague or incorrect... (does it need more words/clarification or will it be understood?)
[02:55] <guiverc> (me worried that may be read as preventing >4GB if not using FAT.. where test is conditioanl on fs.. will reader read it correctly?)
[02:56] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Good point - just because we are familiar with a 4GB limit - does not mean all our readers are. I re-reading,
[03:00]  * guiverc has finished read thru... all my comments are ^ , looks good
[03:01] <Bashing-om> guiverc: "on FAT file-systems" now makes more sense,
[03:02] <Bashing-om> edit count now stands at 25.
[03:03] <guiverc> yep.  i like s/of/on for the FAT issue, well done Sir.
[03:12] <Bashing-om> \o/
[19:38] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Charmed MongoDB®: use cases for financial services @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/mongodb-usecase-financialservices
[20:06] <Bashing-om> UWN: Pulling WIP/WIKI/Comments  Will start the push soonest.
[20:08] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Stéphane Graber: 2024 @ https://stgraber.org/2024/01/02/2024/
[20:21] <Bashing-om> UWN: M/L is away - Doing the Forums posting next.
[20:37] <guiverc> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2024/02/12/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-826/
[20:39] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 824 @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2024/01/29/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-824/
[20:39] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Colin Watson: OpenUK New Year’s Honours @ https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~cjwatson/blog/openuk-new-years-honours.html
[20:42] <Bashing-om> UWN: Forums Post done - Making up a Mastodon blog next.
[20:42] <guiverc> tweeted 826, telegram, (mewe)
[20:47]  * guiverc will be around another ~10 mins.. but got some family stuff to do so won't be able to continue (post to fb) until I return home which may not be for 3-4 hours
[21:22] <Bashing-om> UWN: Blogged Mastodon - ^ in your meanwhile, guiverc, I prep 827 :D
[21:34] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::omg!ubuntu:: Collector is like a Linux Version of DropOver @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/02/collector-app-like-dropover-for-linux
[21:40] <Bashing-om> UWN: 827 off and running :D


[05:21] <hibana> good mornings everyone
[05:25]  * hibana just making sure that IRC is still alive and that #ubuntu-za has not become the weather channel
[05:26] <hibana> inetpro: waar is die mense?
[05:28] <Kilos> lol
[05:28] <inetpro> \o/ yay, iemand is wakker
[05:29] <inetpro> goeiemôre oomiKilos
[05:29] <Kilos> you going crazy
[05:29] <Kilos> môre inetpro
[05:30] <inetpro> have to shake things up a bit too wake you up
[05:31] <inetpro> s/oomi/oom/
[05:32] <Kilos> jy jaag te veel
[05:32]  * inetpro s fingers tripping over the small keyboard
[05:32] <Kilos> op die foon?
[05:33] <inetpro> yep, still enjoying the warm blankets
[05:33] <Kilos> skelm
[05:33] <Kilos> hard work messaging on a cell
[05:35] <inetpro> poor superfly and WrathOfAchilles getting scorched on the other side while we freeze up here
[05:37] <superfly> That's why they invented air conditioners...
[05:38] <inetpro> wonder what it's like on the other side by pavlushka and psydroid, but they sommer decided to go on AWOL
[05:40] <inetpro> superfly: you saying tomorrow will be 41°C?
[05:40] <superfly> Yessir.
[05:40] <inetpro> ouch!
[05:42] <inetpro> good thing you got that aircon serviced
[05:43] <superfly> And Sunday, and Monday, and Tuesday. Wednesday will be 39, Thursday 39, Friday 38, Saturday 38, and then Sunday will be 40 again. Summer is here!
[06:42] <inetpro> have a nice weekend superfly, and get ready for making that apple cider again, based on your videos and recent photos it looks like you will have yourself a nice harvest there
[07:04] <Kilos> lovely hot weather but so far away
[07:04] <Kilos> hi superfly
[09:23] <inetpro> http://www.fsf.org/news/fsf-and-gnu-move-official-irc-channels-to-libera-chat-network
[09:24] <inetpro> interesting statement
[09:24] <inetpro> IRC is here to stay
[12:53] <Kilos> hehe
[12:53] <Kilos> but very quiet
[14:18] <inetpro> wb Danie10
[14:20] <inetpro> Kilos: it's only quiet here because you're not giving us challenges to solve :-D
[16:05] <WrathOfAchilles> ...No A/C.


[20:47] <RikMills> LP api seems very slow and crashy
[21:48] <cjwatson> RikMills: lots of appserver backends down it seems, just asked IS for a bunch of restarts
[21:51] <cjwatson> Should be improving now
[22:40] <RikMills> thanks!


[17:25] <Guest55973> i am seeking help for my ubuntu snappy
[17:25] <ogra_> Guest55973 try #snappy
[17:25] <ogra_> ;)
[17:31] <nicomachus> haha, ogra_ I just sent him here. my bad.
[17:32] <nicomachus> from #ubuntu
[17:32] <ogra_> well, np ... we're talking in #snappy now :)


[03:26] <jonmartini> Anyone home?
[03:27] <jonmartini> Looking for a udev expert.
[15:40] <cody-somerville> My Cordless Desktop MX3200 keyboard from logitech does not work. What package should I file a bug against?
[18:42] <genady12> hotkeys broken in thinkpads?
[19:00] <erle-> genady12_, here, too
[19:01] <erle-> nobody could tell me why
[19:01] <genady12_> I found a bug
[19:01] <erle-> another bug on my machine: new kernel does not boot up
[19:01] <genady12_> hope it will be fixed some time soon
[19:01] <erle-> still running intrepid's kernel
[19:01] <genady12_> oh
[19:01] <erle-> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ports-meta/+bug/361222
[19:01] <genady12_> what happens?
[19:01] <ubot3> Malone bug 361222 in linux-ports-meta "kernel 2.6.28-11 boot fail with dm-crypt" [Undecided,New]
[19:03] <erle-> genady12_, nothing, he just stops because he cannot decrypt my disk
[19:03] <erle-> he does not ask for a passphrase
[19:03] <genady12_> wait
[19:03] <genady12_> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904
[19:04] <erle-> oh, maybe i have this type of board
[19:05] <genady12_> Upgrades from alphas may need re-encryption of encrypted home directories
[19:05] <genady12_> maybe?
[19:05] <erle-> i dont have ecryptfs
[19:05] <erle-> i have LVM with dm-crypt
[19:06] <genady12_> oh
[19:06] <erle-> my complete disk is encrypted except for /boot
[19:08] <erle-> ecryptfs isnt in kernel btw
[19:09] <erle-> its fuse
[19:09] <erle-> so it shouldnt work with any kernel if it was the problem
[19:11] <erle-> i reinstalled all the kernel and initramfs stuff several times
[19:11] <erle-> didnt help, teoo
[19:11] <erle-> too
[19:11] <erle-> brb
[19:23] <brooksbp> hello
[19:23] <brooksbp> can someone please help me with building the kernel, I have a small driver problem
[19:24] <brooksbp> the first build went fine... fresh source...
[19:24] <brooksbp> then ran into this....
[19:24] <brooksbp> strip:/usr/src/ubuntu-intrepid/debian/linux-image-2.6.27-9server//lib/modules/2.6.27-9-server/kernel/drivers/atm/ambassador.ko: File format not recognized
[19:24] <brooksbp> make[3]: *** [drivers/atm/ambassador.ko] Error 1
[19:24] <brooksbp> make[2]: *** [_modinst_] Error 2
[19:24] <brooksbp> make[1]: *** [sub-make] Error 2
[19:24] <brooksbp> make[1]: Leaving directory '/usr/src/ubuntu-intrepid'
[19:24] <brooksbp> make: *** [install-server] Error 2
[19:25] <brooksbp> I don't even need that driver (I think)... I'm just trying to mess around with a syscall hack
[19:25] <brooksbp> how can i get around this
[19:32] <erle-> hm, after a while of doing nothing it tells me that there is no device found
[20:22] <erle64-> hm, after a while of doing nothing it tells me that there is no device found
[20:22] <erle64-> whats your kernel line in menu.lst?
[21:00] <sbeattie> erle-: if the uuid is pointing to the right device, you might try with rootdelay=60
[21:01] <erle-> uuid is right
[21:01] <erle-> it this a kernel boot parameter?
[21:01] <sbeattie> yeah
[21:03] <erle-> ill try
[21:03] <erle-> thank you
[21:03] <erle-> brb
[21:10] <erle-> sbeattie, didnt work
[21:10] <erle-> there is no files in /dev/mapper/
[21:11] <erle-> there must be a problem with the initramfs
[21:11] <erle-> maybe it is missing some module or udev stuff
[21:11] <erle-> how is the initramfs generated?
[21:11] <erle-> and is there a difference since intrepid?
[21:12] <erle-> i am really wondering if i am the only person with this bug
[21:12] <erle-> i think there are some more people using dm-crypt
[21:27] <erle-> homebrew kernel does not work, too
[21:27] <erle-> it worked with intrepid
[21:27] <erle-> it must be the initramfs generation, that's wrong
[21:38] <erle-> i guess it is udev
[21:38] <erle-> but i have no clue how to fix that ...


[19:42] <davmor2> Guys.  In the release notes you'll need to emphasise how to upgrade to Natty from UNE separately as there is no Alt-F2 functionality


[07:19] <dhana013> Hi
[12:17] <CIA-12> ubiquity: superm1 * r4727 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/plugins/ubi-partman.py):
[12:17] <CIA-12> ubiquity: In automatic ubiquity mode, don't clobber grub-installer/bootdev
[12:17] <CIA-12> ubiquity: because of the U/I widget not being populated. Fixes preseeded
[12:17] <CIA-12> ubiquity: grub-installer/bootdev.
[12:18] <superm1> ^ fyi, that's a regression because of bug 756920's fix
[12:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 756920 in ubiquity "Natty manual-partitioner is dangerously forgetful" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/756920
[12:18] <superm1> stgraber, ^
[14:14] <stgraber> superm1: oops. Thanks for catching and fixing it.
[15:53] <CIA-12> base-installer: cjwatson * r953 ubuntu/ (55 files in 7 dirs): merge from Debian 1.119
[15:57] <CIA-12> base-installer: cjwatson * r954 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.119ubuntu1
[16:22] <CIA-12> rootskel: cjwatson * r634 ubuntu/ (8 files in 6 dirs): merge from Debian 1.96
[16:26] <CIA-12> rootskel: cjwatson * r635 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.96ubuntu1
[16:29] <CIA-12> debian-installer-utils: cjwatson * r1143 ubuntu/ (chroot-setup.sh debian/changelog list-devices-hurd): merge from Debian 1.84
[16:30] <CIA-12> debian-installer-utils: cjwatson * r1144 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.84ubuntu1
[16:35] <cjwatson> ev: could we have an oneiric wubi build, please?  trunk should be good
[16:35] <cjwatson> just noticed it's missing from current images
[16:35] <ev> cjwatson: ah, I was waiting for actual CDs
[16:35] <ev> but will do
[16:36] <ev> (as I already built one to test the boot straight into the second stage stuff)
[16:37] <cjwatson> you have actual CDs now :)
[16:38] <ev> indeed, thanks for that :)
[16:38] <ev> just building a chroot
[17:54] <ev> right, that took ages, but done
[21:53] <cjwatson> ev: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+question/159144 - verging on flamewar but it's a good point we should fix in ubiquity-dm
[21:57] <CIA-12> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1448 ubuntu/ (build/config/x86.cfg debian/changelog):
[21:57] <CIA-12> debian-installer: Add .disk/mini-info to x86 mini.iso images, loosely based on the format
[21:57] <CIA-12> debian-installer: of .disk/info (LP: #765254).


[14:04] <sdeziel> from https://ubuntu.com/security/notices/USN-6355-1:
[14:04] <sdeziel> > write past the end of a bugger
[14:05] <sdeziel> eslerm: ^
[14:13] <ebarretto> nice catch sdeziel
[14:52] <sdeziel> more seriously, this USN makes me wonder why is grub in the business of loading images... I know it looks better but wow, that's risky
[16:02] <eslerm> that was meant to be buffer
[16:03] <eslerm> :,(
[16:17] <sdeziel> keyboard off by one error ;)
[20:22] <sarnold> silly buggers


[14:30] <sarnold> good morning
[14:30] <didrocks> hello
[14:30] <joalif> o/
[14:31] <slyon> hey!
[14:32] <cpaelzer> heyho
[14:32] <eslerm> hello
[14:32] <cpaelzer> #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status
[14:32] <meetingology> Meeting started at 14:32:33 UTC.  The chair is cpaelzer.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
[14:32] <meetingology> Available commands: action, commands, idea, info, link, nick
[14:32] <cpaelzer> Ping for MIR meeting - didrocks joalif slyon sarnold cpaelzer jamespage ( eslerm dviererbe )
[14:32] <cpaelzer> hopefully we are living the release week dream of having nothing to assign today :-)
[14:33] <cpaelzer> #topic current component mismatches
[14:33] <cpaelzer> Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams
[14:33] <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg
[14:33] <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
[14:33] <cpaelzer> jaraco is known and on openstack (jamespage)
[14:33] <cpaelzer> nothing else ion mismatches
[14:33] <cpaelzer> nothing else that isn't a false positive
[14:33] <cpaelzer> #topic New MIRs
[14:33] <cpaelzer> Mission: ensure to assign all incoming reviews for fast processing
[14:33] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[14:33] <cpaelzer> empty
[14:34] <slyon> looks like jaraco didn't make it this cycle, and the python-autocommand dependency got demoted back to universe for Lunar
[14:34] <cpaelzer> (so far my plan works)
[14:34] <cpaelzer> yep slyon
[14:34] <cpaelzer> I mean, that was to be expected since no one doubled down on it
[14:34] <slyon> yes
[14:34] <cpaelzer> #topic Incomplete bugs / questions
[14:34] <cpaelzer> Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams
[14:34] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[14:35] <cpaelzer> no updates since 11th April (last weeks meeting)
[14:35] <cpaelzer> we have assigned a few last week, so let us see if they are in the security queue already
[14:35] <cpaelzer> but first
[14:35] <cpaelzer> PRs/issues to the process
[14:35] <cpaelzer> #topic Process/Documentation improvements
[14:35] <cpaelzer> Mission: Review pending process/documentation pull-requests or issues
[14:35] <cpaelzer> #link https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/pulls
[14:35] <cpaelzer> #link https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/issues
[14:35] <cpaelzer> 2x none
[14:35] <cpaelzer> #topic MIR related Security Review Queue
[14:35] <cpaelzer> Mission: Check on progress, do deadlines seem doable?
[14:35] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+bugs?field.searchtext=%5BMIR%5D&assignee_option=choose&field.assignee=ubuntu-security&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[14:35] <cpaelzer> Internal link
[14:35] <cpaelzer> - ensure your teams items are prioritized among each other as you'd expect
[14:35] <cpaelzer> - ensure community requests do not get stomped by teams calling for favors too much
[14:35] <cpaelzer> #link https://warthogs.atlassian.net/jira/software/c/projects/SEC/boards/594
[14:36] <sarnold> I don't believe we've made progress on any of these items this week, our resources have been focused on other priorities
[14:36] <cpaelzer> yeah
[14:36] <cpaelzer> that is - for once - ok sarnold
[14:37] <sarnold> for now, heh :)
[14:37] <cpaelzer> as no one has expected those cases to make it into 23.04 anyway
[14:37] <slyon> ACK
[14:37] <cpaelzer> slyon: last weeks mentioning of heif made me check the state of HDR support
[14:37] <cpaelzer> do not check it yourself, sad story
[14:37] <sarnold> heh :(
[14:37] <cpaelzer> might be a while until I can buy new screens
[14:37] <cpaelzer> so this might be the release week meeting we all hoped for
[14:38] <cpaelzer> quick, effective, nothing to do
[14:38] <cpaelzer> #topic Any other business?
[14:38] <slyon> cpaelzer: okay... let me put that on Foundations' internal roadmap plan for libheif
[14:38] <sarnold> I do have a hopefully quick question
[14:38] <sarnold> re jaraco et al
[14:38] <cpaelzer> sarnold: go
[14:38] <sarnold> are those in lunar-proposed or are they in devel-proposed?
[14:38] <cpaelzer> slyon: it is the desktop that needs to be able to display, even once you have the lib
[14:38] <slyon> cpaelzer: understood
[14:38] <cpaelzer> slyon: but having the lib and diplsaing normal-dr is better than not displaying it at all
[14:39] <sarnold> or, what keeps those from "promoting to main" via usual -proposed seven day aging thing?
[14:39] <slyon> right
[14:39] <sarnold> .. post release
[14:39] <cpaelzer> sarnold: the component mismatch holds them back
[14:39] <sarnold> cpaelzer: yay
[14:39] <cpaelzer> that is always a barrier to pass even on SRUs
[14:40] <cpaelzer> and furthermore the release team usually clears remaining proposed IIRFC
[14:40] <cpaelzer> IIRC
[14:40] <cpaelzer> they either go in, or they go away
[14:40] <slyon> sarnold: also I think they are in "devel-proposed" (which doesn't really exist).. basically will be moved to "mm-proposed" once that exists
[14:40] <cpaelzer> I've never seen a release go out with things in proposed not meant to be zero-day SRUs
[14:40] <cpaelzer> this is release team magic which I haven't been part of
[14:40] <sarnold> *nod* same here, always on the edges :)
[14:41] <cpaelzer> but we never had to care about cases like this because they are doing great
[14:41] <sarnold> *nod*
[14:41] <sarnold> and sometimes I get to wondering how those things get enforced :)
[14:41] <sarnold> thanks for the reassurance :)
[14:41] <cpaelzer> yw
[14:41] <cpaelzer> anything else?
[14:41] <sarnold> are we skipping next week's?
[14:42] <cpaelzer> some of us I guess, but I do not know how to announce
[14:42] <cpaelzer> so I'd say, those who can join
[14:42] <cpaelzer> and see if there is anything
[14:42] <cpaelzer> and will quickly be over
[14:42] <didrocks> hopefully as quickly as this one :)
[14:42] <cpaelzer> for anyone external - the majority of people will be on a sprint next and even more in the week after
[14:42] <cpaelzer> hence expect low participation here
[14:42] <cpaelzer> good
[14:42] <cpaelzer> I'd call this done for now then
[14:42] <cpaelzer> any last words?
[14:43] <sarnold> thanks cpaelzer, all :)
[14:43] <slyon> thanks, all!
[14:43] <cpaelzer> thank you all!
[14:43] <cpaelzer> #endmeeting
[14:43] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 14:43:12 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2023/ubuntu-meeting.2023-04-18-14.32.moin.txt
[14:43] <joalif> thanks cpaelzer,all :)
[14:43] <eslerm> o/
[14:43] <didrocks> thanks!


[16:40] <mhall119> newz2000: so are you going to push ahead with your startup idea?
[16:40] <newz2000> mhall119: well, a start up idea. Right now the primary opportunity is to do some mobile app development not related to squaretap
[16:42] <newz2000> I'm doing an app for a company who does SAT test prep classes, helping them to make a test prep app for vocabular
[16:42] <newz2000> And an app for a guy who loves fantasy sports
[16:48] <mhall119> newz2000: are you doing these in HTML5, or native?
[16:49] <newz2000> the vocab one is html5+phonegap to get into the app stores, the fantasy one will be purely browser based
[16:49]  * mhall119 needs to learn how to write mobile apps
[16:51] <newz2000> mhall119: well, I can tell you two easy ways...
[16:51] <newz2000> if you have an information type app, use jquery mobile
[16:52] <newz2000> very easy to take that to a mobile web app or a phonegap app
[16:52] <newz2000> if you want something more sophisticated, used twitter bootstrap
[16:52] <newz2000> both of those give you really easy, really powerful mobile web apps with a tiny bit of effort
[16:52] <newz2000> I have gone to the next level and now use backbone.js for everything
[16:53] <newz2000> So you make a django app and something like django-rest-framework to expose all your views as apis, then you put your application logic in js. It's beautiful. :-)


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[00:18] <cjwatson> mwhudson: it was the closest I ever got to it :)
[00:18] <cjwatson> mwhudson: and yeah, timekeeping was, uh, not my strong point
[00:19] <cjwatson> (plus ça change)
[09:01] <slyon> vorlon: thanks for promoting dh-elpa-helper to main! You also promoted the dh-elpa binary itself, that's something we (MIR team) wanted to avoid, maybe that binary should get demoted again.
[09:32] <ginggs> we have some tests stuck in state RUNNING, probably since the rabbitmq issue a couple of weeks ago.  e.g. libcuckoo -- They are new packages, so manually retrying gives:
[09:32] <ginggs> You submitted an invalid request: Package libcuckoo does not have any test results
[09:33] <ginggs> is there a good reason to have that check for existing results?  It has caused me some annoyance as it prevents one from testing a new autopkgtest in a PPA
[10:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libfprint [source] (impish-proposed) [1:1.90.7+git20210222+tod1-0ubuntu4~21.10.2]
[10:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libfprint [source] (focal-proposed) [1:1.90.2+tod1-0ubuntu1~20.04.6]
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[13:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gmsh [arm64] (jammy-proposed) [4.8.4+ds2-1]
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[16:38] <paride> dbungert, hi, should subiquity 21.12.2 be released to stable/ubuntu-22.04 ?
[16:40] <paride> that would land the fix to LP: #1953619 to the jammy images, hopefully!
[16:40] <dbungert> paride: I'll take a look
[16:41] <paride> dbungert, ty!
[17:14] <vorlon> slyon: so, looks like linux-meta vs systemd needs more than just a retry, it's been consistently failing across multiple runs; would you mind taking a look here?
[17:20] <vorlon> libsingular4m1? libsingular4m2n1?  are we doing electron orbitals as sonames now?
[17:54] <slyon> vorlon: yes, I will check linux-meta vs systemd
[17:55] <slyon> vorlon: did you see my dh-elpa request from earlier today? Only dh-elpa-helper should be promoted according to MIR, not the dh-elpa binary.
[19:14] <bdmurray> vorlon: I uploaded pycountry with an autopkgtest fix but it looks like there is a separate issue with translate-toolkit https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#pycountry What needs to happen?
[19:18] <RikMills> vorlon et al. will seeds/germinate/metapackage be ok with a 'Depends: dependsa | dependsb' ?
[19:18] <RikMills> I know germinate is obviously ok with it for things not generated from seeds
[19:26] <vorlon> slyon: I hadn't seen your dh-elpa request, but no worries - it is generally easier for me to do a source promotion of an MIR, which pulls in all binaries, and then re-demote binaries that show up on the next report as not-for-main :)
[19:26] <vorlon> demoted now
[19:27] <vorlon> RikMills: "ok" with it - yes though sometimes we have to play silly tricks with seeds to make sure the "right" alternative is the one pulled into a seed
[19:27] <vorlon> (such as manually seeding the alternative you want)
[19:28] <vorlon> bdmurray: you say you uploaded with an autopkgtest fix, but it looks like pycountry's autopkgtest is failing?
[19:28] <RikMills> vorlon: cheers. I will see what happens :D
[19:29] <vorlon> bdmurray: anyway, I would try a retry-autopkgtests --no-proposed because the last pass of translate-toolkit was er right around the time python3-defaults migrated
[19:30] <vorlon> bdmurray: oh it looks like ginggs did get translate-toolkit autopkgtest to specifically pass with python3-defaults, so maybe you want to do a --no-proposed and also a --all-proposed :)
[19:32] <bdmurray> vorlon: pycountry passes w/ the new iso-codes
[19:32] <vorlon> ok
[19:32] <vorlon> E   ImportError: cannot import name 'etree' from 'lxml' (/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/lxml/__init__.py)
[19:32] <vorlon> so it's lxml from -proposed that was an issue
[19:33] <vorlon> for python3.10 support
[19:33] <vorlon> and that migrated
[19:50] <bdmurray> I'm seeing python3-lxml as being from the release pocket
[19:52] <vorlon> bdmurray: yes, lxml migrated today
[19:54] <bdmurray> I see now
[20:29] <seb128> vorlon, hey, any chance you get to the fwupd-efi NEW review before eoy?
[20:38] <vorlon> seb128: still on my list to try to do yes :)
[20:38] <seb128> vorlon, great, thanks!
[20:39] <bdmurray> vorlon: okay, translate-toolkit has passed now w/ pycountry
[22:26] <bryceh> @ubuntu-archive libphp-swiftmailer can be removed from the archive (LP: #1954706)
[22:44] <RAOF> bryceh: Looks like php-monolog has a BD on libphp-swiftmailer; were you aware of that?
[22:45] <bryceh> RAOF, hmm no I didn't spot that
[22:45] <bryceh> rats
[22:46] <bryceh> RAOF, ok thanks for looking at it.  php is such a headache
[22:46] <RAOF> 🤦♀
[23:07] <bryceh> RAOF, would you mind pulling php-composer-xdebug-handler 2.0.2-1 (LP: #1954710) temporarily?  It is causing problems building a newer composer (bit of a circular dependency)
[23:08] <RAOF> How do you manage to have a circular build dependency with yourself? :)
[23:09] <bryceh> it's a threesome
[23:10] <bryceh> composer needs php-composer-metadata-minifier which is a new package that requires the old php-composer-xdebug-handler
[23:11] <RAOF> xdebug 2.0.2-1 removed from jammy-proposed. Enjoy your bootstrapping!
[23:12] <bryceh> thanks RAOF
[23:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted golang-1.18 [amd64] (jammy-proposed) [1.18~beta1-0ubuntu1]
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[23:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted php-composer-metadata-minifier [amd64] (jammy-proposed) [1.0.0-2]
[23:48] <vorlon> " This package provides the dependencies for the fwupd daemon to resolve"
[23:48] <vorlon> ... you don't say


[01:26] <TheProf> Hello - I tried to post to the mailing list but for some reasons my messages are not going through.  I have downloaded edubuntu 12.05 DVD x64 for clean installation.  How do I specify 2 identical drives to be set up as RAID 1 for /home please?
[01:27] <TheProf> It's driving me crazy as I can't figure it out in the options.
[01:30] <TheProf> Just some further description until someone can respond.  I have 3 drives: one SSD for the OS (where I will put / ), and 2 identical 1 TB drives for /home.
[01:31] <TheProf> So on the SSD will go / and swap, and on a mirror RAID 1 will be /home.  I had it running for 2 years this way without raid no problem, but I wanted to take this opportunity to upgrade to install the 2nd drive for reliability.


[14:18] <rs2009> hi, was wondering if there are any queue issues in Launchpad (been trying to release an emergency package to Ubuntu Unity's PPA to fix a major touchpad issue since 6 hours: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity-devs/+archive/ubuntu/stable/+build/23595243)
[22:19] <tmow[m]> rs2009: Yes, since few days, with i386 and amd64
[22:19] <tmow[m]> some here can prioritize jobs


 Kilos headache again?
[13:46] <Kilos> charl_, you got time to explain something to me
[13:46] <Kilos> english not geek
[13:46] <charl_> hi Kilos
[13:46] <charl_> sure thing, throw it
[13:46] <charl_> gooi should i say :)
[13:47] <Kilos> what is a domain and whats the diffs between that and a site
[13:47] <Kilos> i got a site at weebly and it keeps offering a domain
[13:48] <Kilos> then i looked here for a freedomain thing http://www.prchecker.info/web-hosting/best-free-domain-name-services/
[13:49] <Kilos> but dont know what one would do with a domain and a site
[13:49] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_ and Kilos!
[13:49] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[13:49] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[13:50] <charl_> ok, here goes
[13:50] <charl_> a domain is something like google.com
[13:50] <Kilos> sjoe
[13:51] <charl_> if you type that domain into your browser, a site opens
[13:51] <Kilos> what does one do with a domain
[13:51] <charl_> that site will, in this case, be google search because that's the site that lives at google.com
[13:51] <Kilos> oh so you have a site in a domain
[13:51] <charl_> a site could also live under the domain
[13:52] <charl_> for example you could have a site under example.com/kilos
[13:52] <Kilos> and other peeps also have sites in that domain
[13:52] <charl_> a site is just a collection of web pages, usually maintained by the same person or the same group of people
[13:52] <charl_> yes i could have a site under example.com/charl
[13:52] <charl_> and there could be another site under the root of example.com
[13:52] <Kilos> ok
[13:53] <Kilos> so why would a person want a domain
[13:53] <charl_> you could also have a subdomain like kilos.example.com or charl.example.com
[13:53] <charl_> just because it makes it easy to find your site
[13:53] <charl_> these days most people just use google to find stuff in any case
[13:53] <Kilos> huh?
[13:53] <charl_> so having a nice domain doesn't matter so much
[13:54] <Kilos> is the diffs just in the address
[13:54] <charl_> yup
[13:54] <charl_> that's all it's about, is the address
[13:54] <Kilos> ok
[13:54] <charl_> but you could also have more stuff like email, xmpp and other services like irc
[13:54] <charl_> for example, if you connect to freenode you go to irc.freenode.net for example
[13:54] <Kilos> but if i have a site i can surely shorten the link
[13:54] <charl_> or i connect directly to a specific server in germany which is kornbluth.freenode.net
[13:54] <Kilos> and somehow let google know about it
[13:55] <charl_> eh, google should automatically find stuff if you like to it from other places
[13:55] <charl_> you could use url shorteners too
[13:55] <charl_> but these days people usually don't care about that so much anymore
[13:55] <charl_> if you have a company it makes sense to have a domain in the country where you're based
[13:55] <charl_> but it's more a facade than anything else, just gives you that "corporate presence"
[13:56] <Kilos> oh
[13:56] <charl_> for example, a company wants everyone to send email from an address @theirdomain.nl for example
[13:56] <charl_> it just makes it look coherent and professional
[13:56] <charl_> like you are officially representing the company, it comes across better than mailing @gmail.com
[13:56] <charl_> in reality it doesn't really make much of a technical difference, if the mail arrives then who cares
[13:57] <Kilos> yeash
[13:57] <charl_> these days a lot of people just use forwarders and other fancy stuff to achieve the same effect
[13:57] <charl_> but it's like if you want to contact vodacom, you expect to mail someone @vodacom.co.za, not @gmail.com
[13:57] <Kilos> oh now its sinking in
[13:58] <charl_> same if you want to go to vodacom's website
[13:58] <charl_> you would much rather go to vodacom.co.za than somevaguenonsense.example.com/someotherthing/andetc
[13:59] <Kilos> thats surely for big companies
[13:59] <charl_> yes exactly
[13:59] <charl_> you get people like me who host everything on a vps and need my own domain for that too
[13:59] <charl_> like i use charl.eu for that purpose, it is nice and short, easy to remember
[13:59] <charl_> and it's very easy to tell people over the telephone
[13:59] <charl_> if somebody asks me what my address is it is simply <my first name>@<my first name>.eu
[14:00] <charl_> but most people don't need to go that far, an @gmail.com or @outlook.com or even @yahoo.com is good enough
[14:00] <charl_> all that i would not recommend is using your ISP's mailbox like @ziggo.nl for example
[14:00] <charl_> because then if you change ISP your mail address also changes
[14:01] <Kilos> i want things as simple as possible
[14:01] <Kilos> and just a small free site with a shopping cart
[14:02] <charl_> in south africa you _can_ register a free domain at www.za.net
[14:02] <charl_> then you can get something like kilos.za.net or kilos.za.org if you want (if it's available)
[14:02] <charl_> but then you still need to configure dns, etc
[14:02] <Kilos> do they give you space for nothing
[14:02] <charl_> no only a domain
[14:02] <charl_> then you must point it at your web host where your site lives
[14:02] <Kilos> again im lost
[14:03] <charl_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_name_registrar
[14:03] <Kilos> is a domain only a link to somewhere
[14:03] <charl_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_hosting_service
[14:03] <charl_> yes exactly
[14:03] <Kilos> not actually like a server somewhere
[14:03] <charl_> exactly
[14:03] <charl_> za.net is a domain registrar
[14:04] <Kilos> whew
[14:04] <charl_> then you point it at a hosting service
[14:04] <Kilos> ok
[14:04] <charl_> the above wikipedia links give in-depth detail
[14:04] <Kilos> lets say i build a shopping site at weebly
[14:04] <Kilos> then i get a domain and link the site to it?
[14:05] <charl_> yes
[14:05] <charl_> you will also need a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNS_hosting_service
[14:05] <charl_> so you register a domain, point it at a dns hosting service
[14:06] <charl_> and then you configure your dns at the dns hosting service to point to your hosting provider
[14:06] <Kilos> whew that enough for today ty. unhappy head day
[14:06] <charl_> so you have three components you will need to get organised
[14:06] <charl_> shame sorry to hear :(
[14:06] <charl_> hope you feeling better soon! :)
[14:06] <Kilos> its part of my life man.
[14:06] <charl_> nah but still
[14:06] <Kilos> just some days worse
[14:07] <charl_> i just broke my arm two weeks ago
[14:07] <Kilos> mainly after doing physical stuffs
[14:07] <charl_> it isn't even that serious but it upsets your routine
[14:07] <Kilos> ya must be near plaster off time
[14:07] <charl_> got it removed this morning!
[14:07] <Kilos> aha
[14:07] <Kilos> now its thinner than the other one
[14:08] <charl_> yes just came back from the hospital before coming on irc
[14:08] <charl_> not really, but my arm did get stiff
[14:08] <Kilos> nurse it for a while
[14:08] <charl_> so now i need to exercise it
[14:08] <charl_> but it's nice being able to turn my wrist again so i can type semi-normally
[14:08] <Kilos> lotsa typing
[14:08] <Kilos> hehe
[14:08] <charl_> it was so much problems not being able to type
[14:08] <charl_> and it was my right arm which is also my dominant arm
[14:08] <Kilos> eish
[14:08] <charl_> so i had to do everything with my "weak" hand
[14:09] <charl_> not so nice, but of well, it's something that passes so not something i want to complain about too hard
[14:09] <Kilos> lol
[14:09] <charl_> i think i am going to go out and buy some turkish food shortly
[14:09] <Kilos> ty for the help
[14:09] <charl_> i am feeling like some donner kebab
[14:09] <charl_> doner with one n
[14:09] <Kilos> what kinda kebab is that
[14:10] <charl_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doner_kebab
[14:10] <Kilos> kebabs are food
[14:10] <Kilos> no man
[14:10] <Kilos> stop the links
[14:10] <charl_> it comes from a rotating spit
[14:10] <Kilos> they all tons to read
[14:10] <charl_> super popular with turks
[14:11] <charl_> Doner kebab (/ˈdɒnər kəˈbæb/, /ˈdoʊnər/; Turkish: döner or döner kebap, [døˈneɾ̝̊ keˈbap]) is a Turkish dish made of meat cooked on a vertical spit, normally lamb but also a mixture of veal or beef with these, or sometimes chicken. The dish is also widely known by its Arabic name "shawarma" or the Greek name "gyros".
[14:11] <Kilos> lol i remember eating shawarmas in durbs
[14:12] <Kilos> they cut bits of meat of a rotating leg on a spit
[14:12] <Kilos> off
[14:12] <charl_> yes
[14:12] <charl_> that is it exactly
[14:13] <charl_> except here they put it in a bread (broodje doner) or a turkish pizza (lahmakun)
[14:13] <charl_> or they even make a "kapsalon" out of it
[14:13] <charl_> lahmacun sorry
[14:13] <charl_> it has a soft dough and you roll it up like a pancake
[14:13] <charl_> delicious
[14:14] <Kilos> if i member right shawarmas are meat in a foldup kinda pastry
[14:14] <Kilos> like 2 flat round slices of bread glued together aover about 3/4 of it
[14:15] <charl_> a pita bread yes
[14:15] <charl_> or that is what we use here
[14:15] <Kilos> lekker
[14:15] <charl_> yes very :)
[14:15] <charl_> now are you talking my language !
[14:15] <charl_> in more ways than one, lol
[14:15] <Kilos> hehe nearly all food is lekker
[14:15] <charl_> not all :P
[14:16] <charl_> if you give me that horrible slimey snot that we ate in knysna
[14:16] <Kilos> only olives suck
[14:16] <charl_> what is it called... oysters
[14:16] <charl_> no olives are delicious (for me)
[14:16] <Kilos> oooo i love oysters and mussels
[14:16] <Kilos> used to eat them off the rocks
[14:16] <charl_> i eat tons of olives, olive oil, olive tapenade, olive pesto, everything olive
[14:16] <Kilos> eeeek
[14:17] <charl_> whole olives, olive spread, whatever
[14:17] <charl_> i eat it
[14:17] <charl_> all kinds of olives, especially the dark ones
[14:17] <Kilos> olives are like whisky
[14:17] <Kilos> yuk
[14:17] <charl_> well at least there we can agree, i don't like whiskey either
[14:17] <charl_> i don't really drink any hard liquor, only beer
[14:18] <charl_> even wine i dislike
[14:18] <charl_> here at the christmas dinner we had at work i was offered some gluewein
[14:18] <charl_> glühwein
[14:18] <Kilos> i dont drink any of that for last 20 years or more
[14:18] <charl_> it is warm and it tastes watery (the stuff that i had) YUCK
[14:19] <charl_> NO THANK YOU
[14:19] <charl_> give me some nice hefeweissbier instead
[14:22] <charl_> ok i am going to go into town shortly
[14:22] <charl_> bbl
[14:23] <Kilos> i go fetch sheep
[14:41] <Kilos> wb psychicist
[14:44] <psychicist> ty Kilos
[14:45] <Kilos> my e220 is weird. in the morning it times out 2 or 3 times then runs fine the whole avy
[14:45] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[14:46] <psychicist> hmm
[14:46] <superfly> hi kilos
[15:05] <Kilos> wb Vince-0
[15:05] <Vince-0> oh haai
[15:05] <Vince-0> I went home
[15:05] <Kilos> thought so
[15:08] <psychicist> hi spinza
[15:08] <psychicist> superfly*
[15:08] <Kilos> spinza, lurks lots
[15:54] <Kilos> inetpro, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2530681/Michael-Schumacher-brain-surgery-piste-skiing-accident-leaves-coma.html
[16:02] <charl_> ok back
[16:02] <charl_> hi psychicist
[16:02] <charl_> hi Vince-0
[16:02] <Kilos> wb
[16:02] <Kilos> shumi inna bad way it seems
[16:03] <charl_> it's sad indeed
[16:03] <Kilos> yeah
[16:04] <charl_> the talk earlier made me hungry so just had kapsalon
[16:04] <charl_> am full now :)
[16:04] <Kilos> haha
[16:04] <charl_> delicious though
[16:11] <psychicist> hi charl_
[16:14] <charl_> how's it going
[16:14] <charl_> the first bombs are being thrown already but it is much more quite this year than last year
[16:14] <charl_> the war seems to be less serious now with the recession than previously, people have less money to waste
[16:15] <psychicist> I'm ok, still in the hague
[16:15] <psychicist> haha
[16:15] <psychicist> yeah
[16:17] <charl_> nice, how is the hague this time of year
[16:17] <charl_> here by us it is unusually warm
[16:17] <charl_> last time i went to the hague i went to scheveningen in the summer
[17:11] <charl_> oops apparently we had a massive ddos in the office
[17:11] <charl_> went in excess of 20gbps
[17:11] <charl_> fortunately our external capacity on that link is twice that
[17:11] <charl_> but from what i read it caused some bgp problems
[17:14] <psychicist> oh, it's good
[17:14] <psychicist> but it's also a war zone over here
[17:15] <charl_> i assume in the randstad it will be worse than over here in the east
[17:15] <charl_> but i still think this year is much more peaceful than last year
[17:16] <psychicist> yeah
[17:16] <psychicist> which is a good sign
[17:16] <charl_> well not a good sign for the economy though
[17:17] <psychicist> that too
[17:17] <charl_> but i do enjoy the peace, i wish they would ban the fireworks
[17:17] <psychicist> do you think the economy over here in the netherlands still needs a lot of time to recover?
[17:17] <Kilos> just put ear plugs in man
[17:18] <charl_> Kilos: heh with this madness that won't even help
[17:18] <psychicist> poland is improving year over year and probably the rest of eastern europe does too
[17:18] <psychicist> haha
[17:18] <charl_> psychicist: i have no idea, i get mixed signals, some people say it's busy picking up, other people say we haven't seen the bottom yet
[17:18] <Kilos> it must , the ones they use at shooting ranges
[17:18] <psychicist> a lot of fireworks are just as powerful as dynamite, you can blow up cars with them
[17:18] <charl_> yeah but take a look at where they come from... there isn't much to lose :)
[17:18] <psychicist> yeah :)
[17:18] <charl_> oh yes but those are not normal Kilos
[17:19] <charl_> i used to practise shooting, you have internal ones and ones that go over them
[17:19] <charl_> that's not comfortable at all
[17:19] <Kilos> no man they got tiny rubber ones you push in your ears
[17:19] <charl_> but you have no alternative because you can go death from shooting too often
[17:19] <charl_> yes and big ones that go over them that look like the ones the people on the runway at the airport have on
[17:19] <charl_> or those are the ones that i used in any case
[17:20] <charl_> those ones are really good actually
[17:20] <Kilos> or head fones from pc with music on
[17:20] <Kilos> hehe
[17:20] <charl_> lol then you need to put the music on very loud and you go death from those
[17:20] <charl_> that
[17:20] <Kilos> deaf
[17:20] <charl_> deaf sorry
[17:20] <charl_> haha
[17:21] <Kilos> no man i did lots of shooting without ear plugs and still hear a bit
[17:21] <Kilos> haha
[17:22] <charl_> lol
[17:22] <charl_> thank you that makes me feel much better :)
[17:23] <Kilos> lol
[17:24] <Kilos> you can always wrap a tick pillow over your head
[17:24] <Kilos> thick
[17:24] <charl_> hahahahaha lekker
[17:24] <charl_> that sounds comfortable :)
[17:24] <Kilos> and warm
[17:25] <charl_> that could be nice this time of year right
[17:27] <Kilos> Maaz, seen GoTango
[17:27] <Maaz> Kilos: GoTango was last seen 1 day, 9 hours, 23 minutes and 48 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-12-29 00:04:02 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2013-12-29 04:08:50 PST
[17:28] <charl_> Maaz: seen cantide
[17:28] <Maaz> charl_: cantide was last seen 4 hours, 18 minutes and 26 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-12-30 05:09:40 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2013-12-30 05:26:58 PST
[17:28] <Kilos> what time is pst?
[17:28] <charl_> pacific standard time
[17:28] <charl_> must have just missed him, how's he doing
[17:29] <Kilos> i was asleep
[17:29] <charl_> why is maaz on pacific standard time
[17:29] <Kilos> i dunno
[17:29] <charl_> maybe it's the server he is running on
[17:29] <charl_> that's like USA west-coast time
[17:30] <Kilos> oh my. he used to be in germany
[17:31] <charl_> maaz abandoned civilisation and went to the land of yankees?
[17:31] <Maaz> charl_: What?
[17:31] <charl_> Maaz: you suck
[17:31] <Maaz> charl_: Sorry...
[17:36] <charl_> we should ask the man of the belgian music about this
[17:36] <Kilos> huh?
[17:36] <charl_> cocooncrash
[17:36] <Kilos> he seems very busy. doesnt answer here anymore
[17:37] <charl_> bah he abandoned his brethren
[17:37] <Kilos> hehe
[17:49] <charl_> Maaz: ping charl.eu
[17:49] <Maaz> charl_: 5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4003ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.937/0.998/1.036/0.048 ms
[17:49] <charl_> no he's still in germany
[17:50] <charl_> there is no way that ping is even leaving the data centre
[17:51] <charl_> Maaz: tracepath charl.eu
[17:51] <Maaz> charl_:  1:  mammon.mene.za.net                                    0.151ms pmtu 1500
[17:51] <Maaz>  1:  physical.omnia.za.net                                 0.432ms
[17:51] <Maaz>  1:  physical.omnia.za.net                                 0.433ms
[17:51] <Maaz>  2:  static.<IP_ADDRESS>.clients.your-server.de           2.667ms
[17:51] <Maaz>  3:  hos-tr1.juniper1.rz10.hetzner.de                      0.759ms
[17:51] <Maaz>  4:  core21.hetzner.de                                     0.930ms
[17:51] <Maaz>  5:  juniper3.rz12.hetzner.de                             64.779ms
[17:51] <Maaz>  6:  hos-tr4.ms-ex3k2.rz13.hetzner.de                      3.605ms
[17:51] <Maaz>  7:  charl.eu                                              1.684ms reached
[17:51] <Maaz>      Resume: pmtu 1500 hops 7 back 58
[18:17] <charl_> hi poklep
[18:17] <Kilos> hi poklep welcome to ubuntu-za
[18:28] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:30] <Kilos> i wonder why peeps do that
[19:05] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[11:48] <ogra> i have a snap that always built on all arches, it has no "architectures:" in its snapcraft.yaml ... how would i make this snap build on risc-v by default now ?
[11:55] <cjwatson> ogra: file a support ticket, link in the topic
[11:55] <cjwatson> ogra: riscv64 requires special admin attention because the builders aren't fully virtualized
[11:55] <ogra> thx !
[11:55] <ogra> okay
[12:45] <ogra> cjwatson, oops, before i waste anyones time with support requests ... when trying a test build, i just noticed there are no public 20.04 lxd images for riscv, does LP have any such images (the snap is base: core20) ?
[13:02] <cjwatson> ogra: I'm pretty sure I've seen it working, but we can always try
[13:03] <ogra> cjwatson, okay ... then i'll go without test build and just hope for the best 🙂
[14:03] <rbasak> I'm trying to retrieve the GPG keys of all Ubuntu uploaders, but j_elmer has DC837EE14A7E37347E87061700806F2BD729A457 which keyserver.ubuntu.com can't find. Is this expected?
[14:20] <cjwatson> rbasak: I can't think of a way that could happen since it isn't normally possible to delete keys from keyservers, but I don't fully understand this
[14:21] <cjwatson> rbasak: but j_elmer has been around a long time and maybe there was some particular event that caused that
[14:25] <rbasak> Thanks. I guess I'll just ignore keys that do that. I'm not sure how to distinguish a fail to fetch from other unknown failures :-/
[14:26]  * rbasak feels like he must be doing pretty well in the Launchpad edge-case finder ranking charts recently!


[00:43] <robotfuel> Could I please get an ubuntu irc cloak? My launchpad page is https://launchpad.net/~chris.gagnon
[00:46] <Unit193> Say, AlanBell, topyli Tm_T, and the others I can't remember, mind taking a look?
[01:02] <JoseeAntonioR> they might be sleeping, night for them
[01:03] <JoseeAntonioR> this is the second time this request is placed in this week
[01:03] <JoseeAntonioR> m4v: have a minute?
[01:03] <m4v> JoseeAntonioR: yep
[01:03] <JoseeAntonioR> m4v: mind a PM?
[01:04] <m4v> go ahead
[01:04] <IdleOne> robotfuel: you need to present when the cloak is applied, if you can leave your client in here one of the IRCC members will get to it ASAP.
[01:04] <IdleOne> to be*
[01:06] <robotfuel> IdleOne: ok I'll be here for a few more minutes but will probably have to try again  :)
[01:47] <JoseeAntonioR> guys, what about having a !council factoid to call the IRCC in cases as cloak requests?
[01:48] <IdleOne> they all highlight on IRCC
[01:49] <Unit193> On IRCC, or IrCc?
[01:50] <JoseeAntonioR> oh, then, sorry for highlighting you, guys
[01:51] <m4v> yeah, please don't highlight the IRCC
[01:52] <m4v> the IRCC is pretty busy.
[02:55] <IdleOne> I think that if we are going to highlight the IRCC we should only do it when absolutely necessary
[02:56] <IdleOne> Otherwise highlighting the IRCC is annoying.
[02:56] <IdleOne> We wouldn't want to annoy the IRCC
[02:57] <JoseeAntonioR> Or create an IRCC factoid to get them annoyed more easily
[02:58] <IdleOne> you can suggest one so that the ircc can be easily annoyed
[02:58] <IdleOne> err I mean highlighted, the ircc that is.
[02:59] <JoseeAntonioR> :P
[03:09] <nhandler> From what I have seen, the council is usually pretty good about checking in here and actioning cloak requests. The only time there are delays is when none of them are online (in which case, a factoid won't help).
[03:22] <IdleOne> nhandler: +1
[03:22] <IdleOne> nhandler: Am I corrct in thinking that the user needs to be online and active for the cloak to be applied?
[03:23] <IdleOne> or at least online
[03:23] <JoseeAntonioR> IdleOne: yep, the user needs to be identified
[03:25] <nhandler> IdleOne: In most cases, we prefer the user to be online and identified to confirm the cloak request (once it has been made by a GC to freenode staff). However, many staff do idle in here, so if they have logs of the user requesting the cloak (while identified), they might just go ahead and cloak once the gc ack's the request (even if the user is offline/away). However, it ultimately comes down to the staffer's discretion
[03:35] <JoseeAntonioR> ubottu: no !staff is <reply>hey Christel, Dave2, Gary, Corey, Martinp23, VorTechS, jayne, marienz, nalioth, niko, nhandler, rob, dax, stew, or tomaw, I could use a bit of your time :)
[03:35] <JoseeAntonioR> IdleOne: could you please approve the factoid update above? I've removed dropped nicks, and updated Corey's nick
[03:36] <IdleOne> nhandler: does this update to the factoid look ok to you?
[03:36] <JoseeAntonioR> one sec, missed some people
[03:38] <JoseeAntonioR> ubottu: no !staff is <reply>hey Christel, Corey, Dave2, Fuchs, Gary, Martinp23, Myrtti, Pricey, VorTechS, jayne, marienz, nalioth, niko, nhandler, rob, dax, stew, tomaw, I could use a bit of your time :)
[03:38] <JoseeAntonioR> done now
[03:39] <IdleOne> update done.
[03:39] <JoseeAntonioR> great, thanks
[03:48] <nhandler> IdleOne: You might be better off using the list of freenode/staff/* people who idle in -ops. That should give you a more reliable and up-to-date list of people.
[03:59] <IdleOne> yeah, you know. I'm in Olympic mode and not so much into factoid editing more
[03:59] <IdleOne> mode*
[04:23] <ICWiener> Can I get ubottu in my channel? It's about Linux and it would be awesome to have that... Even though it's not strictly about Ubuntu.
[04:29] <m4v> ICWiener: sorry, the Ubuntu bots are for Ubuntu channels only. You can try getting ubottu's code and running your own instance though.
[04:29] <IdleOne> !ubottu
[04:29] <m4v> we don't have a good guide explaining how to do that unfortunately.
[04:30] <ICWiener> Oh...
[04:30] <ICWiener> okay
[04:30] <IdleOne> essentially she is supybot +plugins
[04:30] <IdleOne> iirc
[04:30] <JoseeAntonioR> ICWiener: yep, supybot or limnoria + some plugins hosted in Launchpad
[04:30] <JoseeAntonioR> I may get the code's link
[04:55]  * ICWiener has to reboot bbiab
[04:55] <JoseeAntonioR> ICWiener:
[04:55] <JoseeAntonioR> one sec
[04:56] <JoseeAntonioR> ICWiener: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bots/ubuntu-bots/devel
[05:41]  * AlanBell lols at lots of ircc highlights
[05:42] <AlanBell> and yeah robotfuel has turned up at unfortunate times really
[05:51] <DFrostedWang> supybot is in repositories
[05:51] <DFrostedWang> :D
[05:53] <JoseeAntonioR> yep, but I would fully recommend limnoria (which is basically supybot with some extra features)
[05:53] <JoseeAntonioR> I still can't convince AlanBell to move meeetingology to Limnoria
[05:55] <DFrostedWang> okay then
[05:55] <DFrostedWang> But I can't figure any of this out
[05:55] <DFrostedWang> Anybody care to tutor me? I'm a total n00b at this.
[05:56] <JoseeAntonioR> DFrostedWang: in which sense?
[05:56] <DFrostedWang> Trying to make a bot work
[05:56] <DFrostedWang> I don't quite understand it
[05:56] <DFrostedWang> and can't find a good tutorial
[06:07] <DFrostedWang> Can anyone help me find a bot with a GUI?
[07:11]  * DFrostedWang is going to sleep now
[07:39] <IdleOne> lol @ bot with a gui
[08:09] <chu> I'm not sure what he's asking for
[09:25] <DFrostedWang> I am asking for help or a simple bot interface
[09:26] <DFrostedWang> ......
[09:36] <animus123> anybody here for help?
[12:04] <Myrtti> protect 15
[12:04] <Myrtti> äh
[18:19] <ubot2> matt_symes called the ops in #ubuntu-beginners ()
[18:20] <JoseeAntonioR> Please, ignore that.
[18:26] <JoseeAntonioR> ubot2: no !ops-#ubuntu-beginners is <reply>Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - bodhizazen or Unit193!
[18:26] <ubot2> In #ubuntu-irc, JoseeAntonioR said: ubot2: no !ops-#ubuntu-beginners is <reply>Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - bodhizazen or Unit193!
[18:30] <jussi> JoseeAntonioR: there are only 2 ops in there?
[18:31] <JoseeAntonioR> jussi: yep, and freenode staff
[18:31] <jussi> JoseeAntonioR: I think that needs fixing
[18:40] <JoseeAntonioR> jussi: it's not a super frequented channel, and one of the ops it always online (literally), so in my opinion it's not a problem
[18:41] <jussi> JoseeAntonioR: its not only about availability, its about having alternate options
[18:44] <sandyd> hi, can someone please add #ubuntu-beginners to the !support factoid i #ubuntuforums?
[18:45] <sandyd> *in
[18:46] <JoseeAntonioR> ubot5: no !support-#ubuntuforums is <reply>This is the Ubuntu Forums Community Chat, and is mainly used for offtopic conversations. If you are looking for support, please try #ubuntu or #ubuntu-beginners. Thanks!
[18:46] <JoseeAntonioR> it only needs to be approved
[18:46] <sandyd> thanks!
[18:53] <Myrtti> again, why should #ubuntu-beginners be mentioned in the factoid?
[18:54] <Myrtti> this is the third time this is asked, and I'm still to hear good reasoning
[19:27] <robotfuel> Could I please get an ubuntu irc cloak? :) My launchpad page is https://launchpad.net/~chris.gagnon
[19:27] <JoseeAntonioR> IRCC ^
[20:01] <AlanBell> robotfuel: hi
[20:01] <JoseeAntonioR> robotfuel: there you go
[20:01] <robotfuel> AlanBell: hi
[20:01] <AlanBell> staff can we get an ubuntu/member/robotfuel cloak for robotfuel please
[20:04] <JoseeAntonioR> AlanBell: would you like me to call erry in here?
[20:05]  * Myrtti looks
[20:06] <Myrtti> congrats robotfuel
[20:07] <robotfuel> Thanks JoseeAntonioR, AlanBell and Myrtti!
[20:07] <robotfuel> :)
[20:07] <Unit193> robotfuel: Congrats.


[05:42] <alkisg> Hi, possibly due to overlayfs changes, rsync fails on then 20.10 live CD when /proc isn't mounted. To reproduce:
[05:42] <alkisg> # mount --bind / /mnt; chroot /mnt rsync -p /bin/ls .
[05:42] <alkisg> rsync: [receiver] failed to set permissions on "/.ls.CDExhu": Operation not supported (95)
[05:42] <alkisg> rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 3) at main.c(1330) [sender=3.2.3]
[05:42] <alkisg> Should I file a bug report against the kernel or rsync, or is that by design?
[05:46] <alkisg> It's strange that when /proc is mounted, the problem doesn't appear...
[10:09] <Laney> The primary archive publisher is off for a little bit while we initialise the new series
[10:14] <alkisg> Ah OK the problem is limited to rsync, it appears to need /proc to be mounted in 20.10
[10:14] <alkisg> It's trying to chmod /proc/self/fd/*
[10:15] <alkisg> Filing a bug there...
[10:17] <Hejkki> hello. How do i compile a source to .deb applying some settings to the compiler such as enabling libfribidi library on the configuration of the program
[10:18] <Hejkki> i already have fetched the esource using apt source
[10:18] <Hejkki> -e
[11:02] <Hejkki> ok, seems like i don't have to. I just need to install the required library -dev package and rebuild the program i want
[12:31] <Laney> Publisher back on, archive should be normalish now


[07:05] <fabbione> morning
[07:05] <infinity> afternoon
[07:07] <dilinger> 'night
[07:07] <fabbione> night dilinger
[12:55] <zul> morning
[01:11] <mjg59> Hmm. I've checked out the baz tree. How do I then get a kernel source tree?
[01:12] <zul> archive
[01:12] <zul> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/l/linux-source-2.6.12/
[01:13] <mjg59> Ok. And just dump the patches and 00list from the baz tree into the archive?
[01:14] <zul> dpkg-source -x *.dsc
[01:14] <zul> then blow away the debian directory and do a baz get
[02:50] <zul> fabbione: ping
[09:26] <zul> hmmm...this is not good
[09:26] <zul> make-kpkg --stem linux  clean
[09:26] <zul> make[1] : Entering directory `/home/chuck/work/ubuntu/<IP_ADDRESS>/linux-source-2.6.12-<IP_ADDRESS>'
[09:26] <zul> /usr/share/kernel-package/rules:1624: *** Error. I do not know where the kernel image goes to [kimagedest undefined]  The usual case for this is that I could not determine which arch or subarch tihs machine belongs to. Please specify a subarch, and try again..  Stop.
[09:26] <zul> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/chuck/work/ubuntu/<IP_ADDRESS>/linux-source-2.6.12-<IP_ADDRESS>'
[09:26] <zul> make: *** [clean]  Error 2
[09:27] <zul> dilinger: ^^^ this is what im getting
[09:47] <dilinger> zul: haven't seen it
[10:05] <zul> damn
[10:05] <fabbione> zul: pong?
[10:05] <zul> fabbione: oh yeah for patches that touch alot of files what is the naming convention again?
[10:06] <fabbione> zul: what patch is that?
[10:06] <fabbione> what it does?
[10:06] <zul> its just a patch that fixes unused variables warnings hen compiling
[10:07] <fabbione> zul: bah you stink...
[10:07] <zul> well i havent had a shower today so you are probably right there
[10:07] <fabbione> call it something like: global_remove-unused-vars.dpatch
[10:08] <fabbione> or something along that line
[10:08] <zul> okie dokie..
[10:08] <fabbione> but if you are so bored to do that kind of job, you can come here and clean my house
[10:09] <zul> fabbione: who do you think you are my wife? :)
[10:09] <zul> i had to pull weeds from my back yard
[10:10] <zul> that was fun..
[10:11] <fabbione> zul: no.. your god :)
[10:11] <zul> sure..
[10:11] <fabbione> weeds? did you smoke them before committing something? ;)
[10:11] <zul> hehe..