[00:00] <dasy2k1> any unity experts out there know where i can find the gnome system tray ?
[00:00] <iceroot> Nfisher: if you close the terminal, the program will not run anymore, even with &
[00:01] <dasy2k1> iceroot:  but if you follow the command with the disown command it will
[00:01] <iceroot> dasy2k1: yes
[00:01] <magn3ts> how the hell do i get shotwell to not open when I plug my phone in. most infuriating "feature" I've ever seen
[00:01] <iceroot> dasy2k1: Nfisher or using "screen"
[00:01] <Nfisher> iceroot, uhm.. it does Oo.. i issued "ushare -x &" and closed the gnome-terminal i issued it in.. and still runs..
[00:01] <iceroot> Nfisher: because "ushare" is handling that
[00:02] <Nfisher> iceroot, k..
[00:02] <dasy2k1> magn3ts: try settings then removable media and turn open shotwell off
[00:02] <iceroot> Nfisher: but normal apps will close
[00:02] <ZeitFight> dasy2k1: I think I found something in the Mac-keyboard-layout. Thanks! :)
[00:02] <Nfisher> iceroot, i see..
[00:03] <magn3ts> dasy2k1, "Photos: Do Nothing"
[00:03] <magn3ts> dasy2k1, :/
[00:03]  * dasy2k1 shrugs
[00:03] <Nfisher> iceroot, how do i run commands to not close after closing gnome-terminal-window then?
[00:03] <magn3ts> dasy2k1, haha, thanks anyway
[00:04] <dasy2k1> Nfisher:  run the command with an & then type disown
[00:04] <dasy2k1> or just hit alt+f2 and run it from there
[00:04] <Nfisher> dasy2k1, k, thx!!
[00:04] <Nfisher> thx all!
[00:05] <iceroot> i prefer screen instead of & and disown
[00:05] <dasy2k1> I take it you detach your screen iceroot
[00:06] <cyphase> anyone else noticed that in the software center, the history has an entry for october 12th that looks like every default package being installed?
[00:06] <logicallkill> or use the nohup command
[00:06] <dasy2k1> i suppose thats better for simpler apps that cant seem to survive on their own , like xeyes
[00:06] <iceroot> dasy2k1: no, just using screen then starting foobar and "ctrl + a + c"
[00:07] <dasy2k1> cyphase:  let me guess... you installed or upgraded to 10.10 on october 12th?
[00:07] <iceroot> dasy2k1: but thats because normally i am running everything in screen, to often i forgot screen and closing the terminal was not a good idea :)
[00:07] <cyphase> dasy2k1, 11.10*. no, just today
[00:09] <cyphase> dasy2k1, 11.10 was released october 13th
[00:10] <dasy2k1> that would probbably explain it, on the system that the official iso was built from everything probbably was installed on oct 12th
[00:10] <logicallkill> i have a browsing problem, obviously i can connect via wireless or i wouldnt be here, and any program i run that uses an internet connection will run fine, except for firefox of course. i get the standard "cant connect" error.
[00:11] <Younder> And a bautius release it was. Least probems yet.. Cudos to the boys who made the upgrade to gnome 3 so painless.. I KNOW that was difficult..
[00:11] <quidnunc> Is there a way to see what files are being accessed in realtime?
[00:12] <reisio> quidnunc: lsof
[00:13] <qcode> You can buy apps for Ubuntu 11.10 now, cool.
[00:13] <reisio> yes isn't it cool
[00:13] <reisio> I can't wait until it costs $150
[00:14] <qcode> Developers deserve it
[00:14] <qcode> I like $1 apps
[00:14] <reisio> which app?
[00:14] <iceroot> quidnunc: iotop
[00:14] <quidnunc> reisio: Do you have the flags that would perform realtime file I/O monitoring?
[00:14] <qcode> just saying
[00:14] <reisio> heh
[00:14] <iceroot> quidnunc: or maybe "inotify"
[00:14] <Younder> I thhink is cool that you can.
[00:14] <bobweaver> qcode,  I agree
[00:15] <qcode> I paid apps for Android phone, why not on Ubuntu.
[00:15] <Younder> before a flamewar starts. let's stop. There are people here with legitimate problems
[00:16] <reisio> qcode: because they're all free already?
[00:16] <bobweaver> qcode,  not all of us have money :>)
[00:16] <iceroot> quidnunc: if it is still free software (as in free speech) there is no problem for paying money for software
[00:16] <quidnunc> iceroot: Sorry?
[00:16] <reisio> iceroot: y'know, except that you could get it for free...
[00:17] <Scunizi> logicallkill: does chrome connect?
[00:17] <iceroot> !free
[00:17] <iceroot> that is what "free" means
[00:18] <Guest7688> How do I mount an SD card?
[00:18] <reisio> Guest7688: insert it
[00:18] <iceroot> Guest7688: sudo mount /dev/sdX1 /where/to/mount
[00:18] <Scunizi> Guest7688: it typically auto mounts.. if not in a terminal you could try sudo mount -a
[00:18] <iceroot> Guest7688: and if using a gui on the system that step is done automaticly
[00:18] <Guest7688> It does not auto mount. Otherwise I would not be asking.
[00:18] <ruser> i've got an old laptop runnig 9.10 is there an wasy way upgrading to latest version?
[00:19] <iceroot> !eol
[00:19] <iceroot> ruser: last link
[00:19] <CyborgSmurf> I need help with the dash... Please!!!
[00:19] <iceroot> ruser: but you have to go 9.10 - 10.04 - 10.10 - 11.04 - 11.10
[00:19] <iceroot> CyborgSmurf: what exactly?
[00:19] <ruser> iceroot: thanks,  will do.  i guess lots of packaged to DL :)
[00:19] <logicallkill> anytime i open firefox it gives me the server cannot be found page. its not a connection problem...
[00:20] <iceroot> ruser: and making a backup first is always a good idea
[00:20] <Younder> ruser, well given enough download speed the easiest way is to upgrade and then upgrade again. not missing any bug updates
[00:20] <CyborgSmurf> iceroot: the buttons after Ive pressed the dash, you know the small buttons above, they just arent there
[00:20] <ruser> iceroot: looks like only up to 9.10 is outline in last link
[00:20] <Scunizi> Ok.. just reinstalled again.. on initial reboot screen is stuck at "Checking Battery state..." - this is a desktop.. any hints tips direction to go?
[00:21] <iceroot> CyborgSmurf: ah ok, something in unity is called dash, is though you mean the login shell
[00:21] <D_Russ> is anyone having issues today with firefox?
[00:21] <iceroot> !anyone | D_Russ
[00:21] <logicallkill> D_russ: yeah, i am.
[00:21] <shafiq_> Can someone please tell me how to prevent Ubuntu-Restricted-Extras from installing its version of Flash?  (I already have a version installed that I want to maintain).  Thank you.
[00:22] <D_Russ> logicalkill: whats your issue?
[00:22] <CyborgSmurf> iceroot: everyone seems to have them except me
[00:22] <iceroot> CyborgSmurf: sorry cant help you i am not using unity and dont know what dash is
[00:22] <logicallkill> D_russ: anytime i try to visit a page it gives me the server not found page. its not a connection issue...
[00:22] <CyborgSmurf> iceroot: thanks anyway
[00:23] <CyborgSmurf> anyone else having the same problem with the dash or know the solution for it???
[00:23] <D_Russ> logicalkill: mine is different, when i open FF it does not show on my unity taskbar.
[00:23] <spartan7> Hey guys I have ubuntu installed on a server with raid  5 I want to clone it on to a usb drive and restore it to 1 WD VR. Issue Im having is the raid 5 is firmware raid from the motherboard. Any tools I can use to clone the drive?
[00:24] <Scunizi> spartan7: dd will do it for sure.. but I don't know the command
[00:24] <D_Russ> i just said eff it and switched to chrome
[00:24] <iceroot> Scunizi: sudo dd if=/dev/sdX of=/path/for/the/image
[00:24] <iceroot> spartan7: see above
[00:24] <ruser> hrm when i'm doing dist-upgrade it claims some packets can not be authenticated
[00:25] <logicallkill> D_russ: odd... im not sure. saorry.
[00:25] <magn3ts> Does anyone elses EOG refuse to open?
[00:25] <ruser> nvm, figured it out
[00:25] <D_Russ> i just wish i could get chrome to automatically open xchat when i click on an irc link. Does anyone know how to do that.
[00:25] <magn3ts> I just get more and more impressed every day. strace has it stopping in the middle of a futex.
[00:25] <D_Russ> logicalkill: have you checked to see if your proxy settings may have been enabled
[00:26] <iceroot> spartan7: also clonezilla can handle it if you are not familiar with dd
[00:26] <logicallkill> D_Russ: yeah, i disabled all proxies.
[00:26] <shafiq_> Can someone please tell me how to prevent Ubuntu-Restricted-Extras from installing its version of Flash?  (I already have a version installed that I want to maintain).  Thank you.
[00:26] <spartan7> I tried clonzilla and it sees it as 4 seperate drives RAID5
[00:27] <Scunizi> I've eliminated "quiet splash" from the kernel line on boot to see what's happening.. no indication why the system won't boot.. gets to "Running /scripts/init-bottom ... done" and sits there stupid.. How do I fix this?
[00:27] <D_Russ> logicalkill: have you tried to uninstall or see if there is an update for it maybe?
[00:27] <emmanuel_> ayudaaaaaaaaaa
[00:27] <spartan7> iceroot: the problem with clonzilla is that it doesn not support fakeraid
[00:27] <nene> preciso de ajuda
[00:27] <iceroot> spartan7: fakeraid is ALWAYS bad
[00:27] <spartan7> thats why Im here
[00:27] <ruser> iceroot: how so?
[00:27] <emmanuel_> alquien me puede ayuda
[00:28] <meyreuth> hi
[00:28] <iceroot> ruser: there is nothing a software-raid cant do better
[00:28] <sandr8> what do i need to apt-get install for isolinux?
[00:28] <nene> instalei o ubuntu 11.10  e agora não funciona o leitor de cd
[00:28] <iceroot> ruser: and fakeraid is just a software-raid, no better performance, only working with your board/controller
[00:28] <logicallkill> D_Russ: yeah i just updated too. ill just use chrome/opera.
[00:28] <gluonman> I'm trying to install the latest nvidia driver for my card, but it fails because an nvidia module is in use by the kernel even after stopping X. If I do sudo apt-get purge nvidia-*, it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop.  If I do this, reinstall ubuntu-desktop and install the nvidia driver before restarting, will that cause problems?
[00:28] <iceroot> spartan7: but clonezilla should see /dev/mapper/foobar which should be your raid-array
[00:29] <rodhash> Hello guys, is there any way to change the wallpaper for the login screen??
[00:29] <iceroot> ruser: real software-raid should always be the better idea instead of fakeraid
[00:29] <kilopopo> hi
[00:29] <kilopopo> is there a way to resize the launcher
[00:29] <ruser> iceroot: cool, thanks
[00:30] <spartan7> iceroot: is that under advanced settings? I dont know the command to check for a raid array. I ran clonzilla never saw it as a raid array.
[00:30] <Younder> Is there a easy way to restore permissions  to of all  files in a  directory tree to that they used to be. say using the dpkm system
[00:30] <Younder> ?
[00:30] <reisio> Younder: using the Ubuntu installer
[00:30] <spartan7> iceroot: I thought fakeraid was software raid?
[00:31] <spartan7> iceroot: so fakeraid and firmware raid are not one and the same?
[00:31] <iceroot> spartan7: it is but forced with your controller
[00:31] <iceroot> spartan7: firmware-raid is not an official name
[00:31] <Scunizi> Younder: if you know what the permissions were.. then sudo chown -R <permissions> .. would do it..
[00:31] <Younder> reisio, if it had been that easy
[00:32] <spartan7> iceroot: I know but it should be. What would be the command for clonzilla to recognize the raid array?
[00:32] <mosno> spartan7, see md for Linux software RAID
[00:32] <mosno> spartan7, works rather well for me so far
[00:32] <iceroot> spartan7: fakeraid (cheap onboard-raid-controller on desktop-pc) is using software-raid but the raid is only workiing with your specific hardware, its using the cpu like software-raid
[00:32] <reisio> Scunizi: heh
[00:32] <whatsaHacker> is there a way to reset the user/pass on a fresh install?
[00:32] <iceroot> spartan7: there is "hardware-raid", "software-raid" and "fakeraid"
[00:33] <Scunizi> Younder: sorry.. not chown but chmod
[00:33] <spartan7> mosno: I did. I know intel matrix supports it on kernal 2.6.26 right? can you clone from something like clonezilla?
[00:33] <Scunizi> reisio: you made me re-read my post.. oops.
[00:33] <iceroot> spartan7: never used clonezilla, sorry
[00:33] <mosno> spartan7, i have cloned an nForce RAID1 fakeraid with Clonezilla, IIRC -- not that i tested the restore
[00:34] <iceroot> spartan7: but i dont think, cloning the raid-array from fakeraid will work on later systems
[00:34] <spartan7> iceroot: your right from what I read online.
[00:34] <shawn186> why is ubunto so different from 10.10?
[00:34] <Scunizi> Nice to know when the gui fails the cmd line still works.
[00:34] <iceroot> shawn186: its not
[00:34] <shawn186> theres no menus
[00:34] <spartan7> iceroot: so you would recommend either hardware raid or md?
[00:35] <shawn186> only wahts open
[00:35] <shawn186> status bar
[00:35] <iceroot> spartan7: yes
[00:35] <iceroot> spartan7: hardware-raid is the best (but costs the most)
[00:35] <Scunizi> what's the command to restart the gui.. sudo service (not gdm anymore I think).. or is it sudo /etc/init.d/<something here>
[00:36] <iceroot> spartan7: on hw-raid your system only see you raid-array, on sw-raid and fakeraid you system see the raid-array and also each drive, on hw-raid there is only one drive (which is the raid-array)
[00:36] <spartan7> iceroot, mosno: thanks guys. before I go. Does Haveing a raid provide performance boost?
[00:36] <gluonman> In ubuntu 11.10, I'm trying to reinstall my nvidia graphics card driver.  I hit Ctrl+Alt+F1, log in, do sudo service lightdm stop to kill X, and then sudo sh *.run.  It complains that an nvidia module is still in use by the kernel.  Can I do sudo apt-get purge nvidia-*, even though it removes ubuntu-desktop, to solve this problem?
[00:36] <iceroot> spartan7: but a hw-raid-controller is starting at 150€
[00:36] <iceroot> spartan7: depending which raid you are using, yes
[00:36] <shawn186> where can I get nvidia video drivers for ubuntu?
[00:36] <shawn186> 7600GS
[00:36] <spartan7> iceroot: gonna see if there is an afflrdable HW raid card.
[00:36] <reisio> shawn186: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[00:36] <ruser> hrm.  the documantioatn links to page that does not exist https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades/Karmic
[00:36] <shawn186> ah ty
[00:36] <iceroot> spartan7: but remeber, raid is NOT a backup-replacement
[00:37] <spartan7> iceroot: thats expensive. gonna try md
[00:37] <robin0800> Scunizi, sudo service lightdm stop/start
[00:37] <iceroot> spartan7: most people thing raid has something to do with a backup which is not true
[00:37] <Scunizi> shawn186: hit the "windows" button and in the search box type hardware.. what shows should be something like hardware drivers.. click and wait for a selection.
[00:37] <spartan7> iceroot: yea gonna use rsync to another location for backup
[00:37] <iceroot> spartan7: the nes for 150€ are cheap with not so mayn features, the good ones starting at 300€
[00:37] <Scunizi> robin0800: thanks.. I was beginning to think nobody was around :)
[00:37] <iceroot> spartan7: s/nes/ones
[00:37] <Scott0> hello i have a 9.10 installation i need to dist-upgrade whats the safest way?
[00:38] <Scott0> never done an upgrade this far back
[00:38] <iceroot> !eol | Scott0
[00:38] <iceroot> Scott0: last link
[00:38] <Scott0> so im screwed as far as that goes
[00:38] <iceroot> Scott0: also having a backup is a good idea
[00:38] <luist> hey guys… is there any other way to get the IP that TOR gave me other than using CURL like this:? http://pastie.org/2801986
[00:38] <spartan7> iceroot: thanks for the info.
[00:38] <Scott0> its not important so im not worried
[00:38] <iceroot> Scott0: ok, then just follow that link
[00:38] <shawn186> ooh, will after updates finish
[00:39] <Scunizi> robin0800: I'm beginning to think that my pc has a polterguist.. fresh install and gui won't start. live cd works fine. nvidia card installed on mthr board. etc..
[00:40] <reisio> luist: tnx.nl/ip
[00:40] <nixnine> hey guys, I want to dual boot two linux OS.  I have one installed now.  I understand that I can partion the HD during installation of second os.  I'm just wondering if I will have any grub problems.  Any suggestions/comments?
[00:40] <reisio> nixnine: if you do they will be easily fixed
[00:41] <reisio> nixnine: from either OS
[00:41] <Scunizi> nixnine: second install will take over grub or install what it uses.. might try virtual box as an alternative.. run both at the same time :)
[00:41] <ruser> Scott0: i'm doing the same thing here.
[00:41] <ubuntu> sup all
[00:41] <digitaldrowning> sup all
[00:41] <Scott0> nice
[00:41] <Scott0> ruser: good luck
[00:41] <Scott0> ruser: wanna race?
[00:41] <Scott0> :P
[00:42] <ruser> Scott0: lol, internet is slow
[00:42] <ruser> Scott0: so, nah :)
[00:42] <robin0800> Scunizi, tried nomodeset at the grub start up
[00:42] <Scott0> its ok, im on a 600Mhz 256 RAM
[00:42] <nixnine> Not too keen on using VM.  So if i set up for dual boot, there might be a prob using the initial system?
[00:43] <digitaldrowning> i luv vm i am running ubuntu in windows 7 right now
[00:43] <digitaldrowning> actually on oracle virtualbox
[00:43] <reisio> nixnine: no, there's a chance you might have to run an extra step merely to boot the initial system
[00:43] <digitaldrowning> and i only have 1 gb ram
[00:44] <Scunizi> robin0800: I asked about that command earlier with no respone.. I couldn't remember it.. I did try pci=nomsi which has worked for the last several years on this motherboard.. I'll give it a go and see.
[00:44] <reisio> nixnine: if you have any problems just boot into whichever OS you can and come back here, we'll sort it all out
[00:44] <akSeya> hi folks.. after upgrade to 11.10 i got this errors when I try to install any package http://pastebin.com/VBSXC0qf ... I assume it's a problem with python2.7 is that correct? how can I fix it?
[00:44] <shawn186> 11.10 is weird
[00:44] <shawn186> its all bulging
[00:44] <nixnine> Cool.  But is there a chance that I might lose everything/anything in the initial OS?
[00:45] <digitaldrowning> nixnine u trying to dual boot windows and ubuntu?
[00:45] <Scott0> shawn186: bulging?
[00:45] <nixnine> no.  mint and ubuntu, mint the primary OS
[00:45] <dr_willis> when in doubt... backup
[00:45] <digitaldrowning> hmm never heard of mint
[00:46] <nixnine> ?????
[00:46] <Scunizi> robin0800: lightdm fails on start with that too.. I also eliminated quiet splash to see what was happening..
[00:46] <nixnine> No?
[00:46] <ruser> nixnine: it's nice to have a backup to be safe. but i don't think so, maybe the grub config or w/e bootloader you are going to use
[00:46] <dr_willis> i dont really see the point in dualbootint mint and ubuntu ;-)
[00:47] <ruser> nixnine: i'm not familiar with mint, just heard of it
[00:47] <shawn186> yea, icons are ovesized
[00:47] <ruser> dr_willis: people have their reasons
[00:47] <nixnine> I want to install ubuntu 11.10 with gnome shell
[00:47] <skr1ll3x> hey! :D
[00:47] <Scunizi> robin0800: is the pae kernel for those with more than 3 gigs of ram? and would that possibly be part of the problem?
[00:47] <dr_willis> people often do silly things
[00:47] <Scott0> why is it telling me to install the update manager?
[00:47] <skr1ll3x> nixnine you pretty wouln't have any problems with the grub
[00:47] <Scott0> im on a cli version of ubuntu
[00:47] <skr1ll3x> Mint is actually based on Ubuntu :P
[00:47] <nixnine> yes
[00:48] <ruser> Scott0: pae leads to occasinal problems
[00:48] <Scott0> pae?
[00:48] <nixnine> I just love that gnome shell
[00:48] <ruser> Scunizi: pae leads to occasinal problems
[00:48] <ruser> Scott0:  wrong person, sorry
[00:48] <Scott0> the version im updating is pae
[00:48] <nixnine> been running from live usb and i really like it
[00:48] <calamity> Okay. I'm stuck. Gnome is refusing to boot into windows 7 even though it can CLEARLY see it there. I've tried reinstalling grub, but it doesn't even look like boot repair did anything.
[00:48] <Scunizi> ruser: thanks.. I might need to burn a 64 bit live cd and try again.. :(
[00:49] <robin0800> Scunizi, don't know
[00:49] <badbandit> hello, I am using 11.11 and dual monitor with nvidia graphics card... when I open a movie using movie player, suddenly I am confined to just one monitor (the laptop screen in this case), I can still see the other monitor however I cannot move the mouse there and the only way to resolve it is to disable the 2nd screen in nvidia-settings and renable
[00:49] <ruser> Scunizi: what is the problem are you having?
[00:49] <Scunizi> robin0800: ok.. thanks.
[00:49] <Scunizi> ruser: lightdm fails on boot
[00:49] <badbandit> any suggestions?
[00:49] <Scunizi> ruser: after a fresh install on a desktop
[00:49] <ruser> Scunizi: what's in the log?
[00:49] <Scunizi> ruser: in /var/log? which file?
[00:50] <templet> is there a command i can run from terminal to check filesystem integrity on a backup drive upon next reboot ?
[00:50] <ruser> Scunizi: the X11 log should contain EE error lines that can point you in right direction
[00:51] <ruser> Scunizi: or Xfree, w/e server you are using
[00:51] <iceroot> what is responsible that ~/Desktop is called ~/Arbeitsfläche and ~/public is ~/Öffentlich on my system? cant find anything in /etc/skel/ (using lubuntu 11.10)
[00:51] <iceroot> even on bash
[00:51] <ruser> Scunizi:  sorry,  i meanat Xorg :)
[00:52] <wad> I need to make some slides for a presentation. What's a good linux app for such things?
[00:52] <dr_willis> iceroot:  i recall some startup tool that changes names based on locale
[00:52] <ruser> Scunizi: there is also gdm log in there
[00:52] <iceroot> dr_willis: for me this is the biggest bug ever....
[00:52] <ruser> Scunizi: you can also try running gdm start  and see what comes up
[00:52] <Scunizi> ruser: looks like in the lightdm directory there's two files.. lightdm.log which points to x-0.log.. I'll look there.  there's no X11 log.. brb.. looking
[00:52] <shawn186> i put my cursor in the upper left corner of the screen, theres no menus D:
[00:52] <iceroot> dr_willis: making scripting very hard
[00:53] <shawn186> where did it go
[00:53] <shawn186> or they
[00:53] <ruser> Scunizi: check xorg log
[00:53] <Dark_Apostrophe> Hello, how do I see which video driver Xorg is using? I have a laptop with Nvidia Optimus; I have both an Intel and an nVidia graphics card. I want to be able to select which to use.
[00:53] <dr_willis> iceroot:  i always yse english. so never notice. i do recall disableing the startup item in the past
[00:54] <ruser> Scunizi: also you can try running startx and see what comes up :)
[00:54] <iceroot> dr_willis: you know something like a wrapper for scripting instead of chaning the locale-settings in a script?
[00:54] <shawn186> i click on this ubuntu symbol, and there are 2 inch big icons
[00:54] <shawn186> bigger than my finger
[00:54] <D_Russ> Is there a better music player than banshee? it locks up on me sometimes, and my PC is not slouch on power and resources
[00:54] <ruser> shawn186: why dont' you configure how it looks like
[00:54] <shawn186> is their a way to change it:?
[00:54] <shawn186> i'm still a noob
[00:54] <Dark_Apostrophe> D_Russ: Songbird, but I think they dropped Linux support :/
[00:54] <iceroot> dr_willis: using a different language is good for finding translation-bugs and missing translations :)
[00:54] <shawn186> stuck on windows
[00:55] <dr_willis> !media
[00:55] <ruser> shawn186: i'm pretty sure there is, i havne't used X  in a while mostly hang around console, but there is appearance and theme configuration
[00:55] <iceroot> dr_willis: but thanks for the hint, i will have a look
[00:55] <shawn186> x?
[00:55] <D_Russ> thanks Dark_apostrophe
[00:55] <Scunizi> ruser: check this out.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/726865/
[00:55] <Dark_Apostrophe> D_Russ: If you find an up to date Linux version (community maintained, for example), tell me, ok?
[00:56] <D_Russ> ok
[00:56] <shawn186> i can't even find terminal in the new interface
[00:56] <Scunizi> ruser: here's the xorg log.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/726866/
[00:56] <ruser> Scunizi: yeah, issues with your nvidia driver,  personally i haven't touched X server in a while.  try switching for a generic video driver, to get basic X going.  maybe  also try (nvidia) instead of nv
[00:57] <ruser> Scunizi: aha, looks like some nvidia options are enabled that the current driver isn't supporting.
[00:57] <Scunizi> ruser: could it be because I have 2 monitors plugged in.. ?? if I eliminate one maybe it will start.. As I remember that has been an issue since 6.06.. errg.. memory failing me.
[00:57] <r_1za> I Russia user,I love Linux,Linux forever
[00:57] <ruser> Scunizi: try disabling glx
[00:57] <luist> reisio: problem is: im getting curl: (52) Empty reply from server   as response sometimes when i access these IP sites with curl.. dont know why
[00:58] <Scunizi> ruser: in /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[00:58] <johnkn63> Does anyone know the Debian Import Freeze date for Pangolin?
[00:58] <ruser> Scunizi: yeah.  aslo read up on nvidia and x. As i said i havne't used setup with X11 in a while.  sorry i'm super rusty :)
[00:58] <Scott0> can i make upgrade skip a package?
[00:59] <ruser> Scott0: probably with pinning but i wouldn't recommend it
[00:59] <Scott0> its zoneminder
[00:59] <Scott0> i dont need to deal with that atm
[00:59] <ruser> Scott0: no idea what is zoneminder
[01:00] <Scott0> security camera server
[01:00] <ruser> Scott0: you can disable install of suggested packages
[01:00] <Scott0> how?
[01:00] <Scott0> hey rchavik
[01:00] <Dark_Apostrophe> Hello, how do I see which video driver Xorg is using? I have a laptop with Nvidia Optimus; I have both an Intel and an nVidia graphics card. I want to be able to select which to use.
[01:00] <ruser> Scott0: apt-get --no-install-recommends
[01:01] <ruser> Scott0: if you want to make this permanent, set APT::Install-Recommends "false"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf. Be aware that this may result in missing features in some programs.
[01:01] <templet> is anyone aware of any networking speed tweaks that can be applied to 11.04 ?
[01:01] <ruser> Dark_Apostrophe: try seeing which lkms are loaded and are in use?
[01:01] <ActionParsnip> Dark_Apostrophe: sudo lshw -C display    look at driver=
[01:02] <dr_willis> optimus support is still a work in progress. :-(
[01:02] <Dark_Apostrophe> ruser: Care to remind me how to check which modules are loaded? I've just gone back to using Linux after 3 years alternating between OS X and Win7, am a bit rusty :P
[01:02] <Dark_Apostrophe> ActionParsnip: ok
[01:02] <ActionParsnip> templet: how much RAM do you have?
[01:02] <templet> ActionParsnip, 8GB
[01:02] <ActionParsnip> templet: yikes, ok we can make your network a lot faster
[01:02] <ruser> Dark_Apostrophe: sudo lsmod
[01:03] <templet> ActionParsnip, is that a joke ?  i'm simply aware that there were such speed tweaks to earlier versions of ubuntu
[01:03] <Dark_Apostrophe> ActionParsnip: It shows both nVidia and Intel
[01:03] <Scott0> ruser: apparently thats not an option in apt
[01:03] <ActionParsnip> templet: no you can male the OS use RAM to make the LAN faster
[01:03] <Dark_Apostrophe> ruser: nvidia              11713772  0
[01:03] <ActionParsnip> templet: run:  gksudo gedit /etc/sysctl.conf   and add thses lines: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8850924/sysctl
[01:03] <templet> ActionParsnip, i've never heard of that.  would love to know about it
[01:03] <ruser> templet: i don't believe, there were some mtu tweaks for windows but i'm not aware of that in ubuntu, but default it
[01:04] <ruser> templet: i don't believe, there were some mtu tweaks for windows but i'm not aware of that in ubuntu, but default it's already "tweaked"
[01:04] <Dark_Apostrophe> Not sure what the Intel module is called
[01:04] <templet> ActionParsnip, thank you so much
[01:04] <ActionParsnip> templet: save the new file and close gedit, then run:  sudo sysctl -p
[01:04] <ruser> Dark_Apostrophe: that means probably that your intel card is used :)
[01:04] <ActionParsnip> templet: I have 2Gb here and use the same
[01:04] <ruser> Dark_Apostrophe:  try glxinfo as well.  maybe will tell you the driver
[01:05] <ruser> Scott0: which ubuntu version again?
[01:05] <ruser> Scott0: that options hsould be there since 8.x
[01:05] <ActionParsnip> templet: using dnsmasq as a local dns cache on your system can also make internet faster as you are not querying the internet for every resolution if the service has already learned the IP
[01:05] <Scott0> nm i had to give it another command
[01:05] <shawn186> unity looks like its for tablets
[01:05] <Scott0> :P
[01:05] <ruser> Scott0: 8.10 rather
[01:05] <Scott0> shawn186: i h8 unity
[01:05] <Scott0> ruser: its 9.10
[01:05] <ActionParsnip> shawn186: can use it on either really
[01:05] <Dark_Apostrophe> ruser: Hmm...Ok. See, my real problem is that the fan is constantly running and spewing out heat without any real CPU usage being shown in the system monitor. My theory was that the Nvidia card was being used for no good reason, and that it was the reason for the fan and heat... seems like that isn't the case.
[01:05] <Scott0> ruser: when installing the headers, its tryign to upgrade zoneminder
[01:06] <ruser> ActionParsnip: let's not forget squid :) or any other caching proxy :)
[01:06] <Scott0> even with that flag set
[01:06] <Dark_Apostrophe> What might be, though? I have Windows on a separate partition, and the fan is nowhere near as active on it
[01:06] <ActionParsnip> ruser: same deal, makes name resolution take 0ms rather than 30ms
[01:06] <shawn186> how do I close unity, and have the original and sweet desktop?
[01:06] <ActionParsnip> ruser: I've noticed speed increases by moving the browser cache to tempfs too
[01:06] <Dark_Apostrophe> ruser: Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0".  Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig
[01:06] <ruser> Dark_Apostrophe: see what your temperature sensors are showing.
[01:07] <ActionParsnip> !notunity | shawn186
[01:07] <ruser> Dark_Apostrophe: are you in X?
[01:07] <Dark_Apostrophe> Yes
[01:07] <ActionParsnip> !away > dtigue_away
[01:07] <ruser> Dark_Apostrophe: oh wait, i didn't read the message.
[01:07] <shawn186> ..how do i even access terminal?
[01:08] <Scott0> shawn186: on the logon csreen you can select ubuntu classic
[01:08] <ruser> Dark_Apostrophe: and it proably would be called intel_agp or something like that.  but to be honest, not sure.  i have archaic laptop :)
[01:08] <shawn186> huh
[01:08] <shawn186> i am at the main screen
[01:08] <Scott0> shawn186: google it, you arent the first to dislike unity for the desktop
[01:08] <Dark_Apostrophe> ruser: AGP? :O
[01:09] <ruser> Dark_Apostrophe: but we know it's using intel because nvidial module had 0 users,  did you try the lshw method?
[01:09] <Scott0> shawn186: before logging in
[01:09] <shawn186> yes
[01:09] <shawn186> main=logon part
[01:09] <Scott0> on the bar there are some options
[01:09] <ruser> Dark_Apostrophe: agp = accelerated graphics port
[01:09] <shawn186> logged in=desktop
[01:09] <Scott0> shawn186: did you make those up?
[01:09] <Dark_Apostrophe> ruser: Hold on, I'll upload it and lsmod to a pastebin
[01:09] <shawn186> no
[01:09] <Scott0> :P
[01:09] <shawn186> its truth
[01:10] <shawn186> oh they call it ubuntu 2d
[01:10] <shawn186> stilll ugly
[01:10] <Scott0> shawn186: eh? its Ubuntu classic on mine
[01:10] <shawn186> i see no difference in 2d
[01:10] <Scott0> shawn186: i think you are loading unity in 2d
[01:10] <shawn186> exactly the same o.o
[01:10] <Scott0> this is why i said classic
[01:10] <Scott0> google it
[01:10] <shawn186> ok
[01:10] <ruser> shawn186: Scott0  i'd probably agree that the 3d acceleration is turned off
[01:11] <templet> ActionParsnip, thank you again
[01:11] <ActionParsnip> shawn186: could install xfce4 and use xfce session :)
[01:11] <shawn186> you can switch between accounts while logged in?
[01:11] <itaylor57> Scott0, clasic is available only in 10,94
[01:11] <ActionParsnip> templet: np man, seems weird but it can help
[01:11] <ruser> ActionParsnip: lol
[01:11] <shawn186> what is xfce?
[01:11] <Scott0> itaylor57: really?
[01:11] <ActionParsnip> !info xfce
[01:11] <reisio> shawn186: it's like a lighter version of GNOME (2)
[01:11] <ActionParsnip> !info xfce4
[01:11] <Scott0> itaylor57: so no option other than unity for the new one?
[01:11] <bsmith093> im trying to burn a disc and does windws still have a 64 char file name limit
[01:11] <ActionParsnip> shawn186: its an alternate desktop
[01:11] <shawn186> oh
[01:11] <reisio> Scott0: there's gnome-shell, gnome-panel, gnome-session-fallback
[01:12] <ruser> shawn186: it's a little difficult to learn
[01:12] <itaylor57> Scott0, !nounity
[01:12] <Scott0> if thats the case i will be finding a new distro soon
[01:12] <ruser> !nounity
[01:12] <Dark_Apostrophe> ruser: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/A2TCLlCzDoUhHPvLY7Ml/
[01:12] <Scott0> so they renamed classic to something else?
[01:12] <ruser> Dark_Apostrophe: what's your non-nvidia card again?
[01:12] <Scott0> epic mistake moving away from gnome
[01:13] <ruser> Dark_Apostrophe: intel 915?
[01:13] <Scott0> seems like trying to lure apple users with unity
[01:13] <Scott0> its silly
[01:13] <Dark_Apostrophe> ruser: I'm not sure which model, exactly - hold on, I'll google for the laptop model
[01:13] <ruser> Scott0: which verison comes with unity? i'll know to avoid :)
[01:13] <Scott0> ruser: ?
[01:13] <ruser> Dark_Apostrophe: you can also lspci -V
[01:13] <urlin2u> Scott0, you get the golden star for being the millionth person to say that. :D
[01:13] <ImDoT> hey guys. little prob: I have two xservers running on on the same machine(due to a optimus setup) but for an unknown reason I can only type into the main one, how would I switch to the other one ?
[01:13] <ActionParsnip> Scott0: unity runs on gnome
[01:14] <Scott0> well the interace is fail
[01:14] <Scott0> i guess i want metacity?
[01:14] <ActionParsnip> Scott0: then use a different DE, or install the fallback
[01:14] <ruser> Scott0: i'm upgrading my laptop from 9.10 to latest. in steps ofcourse.  so i just need to know how to avoid unity and in which ubuntu verison it comes
[01:14] <Scott0> which one is the Ubuntu classic equivalent?
[01:14] <urlin2u> ruser, starts in natty, but you have the classic gnome there.
[01:14] <urlin2u> as well
[01:14] <Dark_Apostrophe> ruser: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/p8XTDiuzEoFh5AZ7aXaq/
[01:14] <ruser> urlin2u: thanks
[01:15] <Scott0> ActionParsnip: how am i going to suffer by using fallback?
[01:15] <Scott0> any caveats?
[01:15] <whatsaHacker> Who knows alot about wireless laptop usage...specifically the 4315 chipset...there are so many 3 and 4 year old how to's that I'm not sure what applies to me now lol :|
[01:15] <ruser> Dark_Apostrophe: looks like some sort of asus card
[01:15] <ruser> whatsaHacker: just ask your question
[01:15] <ActionParsnip> Scott0: not really, you can manually a startup item to run compiz --replace     just untick the unity plugin
[01:16] <urlin2u> Scott0, ruser unity cab ve tweaked though with compiz and other tools it is not bad imo, but some have a problem adapting.
[01:16] <whatsaHacker> ruser: It doesn't work. How do I? :)
[01:16] <Scott0> urlin2u: if im the millionth, then why do they persist with pushing unity on people?
[01:16] <urlin2u> s/can be*
[01:16] <Scott0> i dont want to use compiz, its a complete waste of resources
[01:16] <Dark_Apostrophe> ruser: Hmm... Whenever I search for specifications, it's listed as "Intel HD Graphics", not the specific model number :/
[01:17] <ActionParsnip> Scott0: then use the fallback and you'll use metacity
[01:17] <Scott0> ActionParsnip: thats equivalent to classic?
[01:17] <urlin2u> Scott0, sorry I left out the sarcasm clause, as to the validity of that claim, kinda silly don't you think, all OS's resemble each other in some way.
[01:17] <ruser> whatsaHacker: no idea, don't use that chipset,   try using network manager
[01:17] <Scott0> urlin2u: in some way? you mean that we use them?
[01:17] <Scott0> lol
[01:17] <Scott0> urlin2u: it was silly to default to the most resource intensive overly simplistic DE
[01:18] <ruser> urlin2u: hwo do i avoid unity all together in process of upgrading from 9.10 to latest?
[01:18] <szal> ruser: by using either one of Kubuntu, Xubuntu or Lubuntu
[01:18] <urlin2u> Scott0, unity os part of making ubuntu.com or canonical able to provide for more platforms.
[01:18] <urlin2u> is*
[01:18] <Dark_Apostrophe> ruser: Found it, Intel GMA 4500MHD
[01:19] <ImDoT> urlin2: you might also want to to look at the mint project, incredibly ubuntu but offer a few alternativeslinux mint
[01:19] <ruser> szal: that's not really the answer.  i already have kde and gnome on the same machine.  i'm upgrading the current distro,  what you are telling me  i need to reinstall with w/e latest netinstall
[01:20] <ruser> szal: what's Xubuntu and Lubuntu?
[01:20] <urlin2u> ruser, unity does not appear till natty, and you have a classic desktop available in natty, a classic that is a little different maverick is the last gnome 2 really.
[01:20] <KM0201> ruser: distros designed for hardware that maybe a little older/slower... than what the standard Ubuntu distro is capable of supporting
[01:20] <szal> ruser: Xubuntu -> XFCE4, Lubuntu -> LXDE
[01:20] <PCPDCG> if you just upgrade(not reinstall) you will still have gnome
[01:21] <ruser> szal: oh, never heard of lxde.  What package list does it have?
[01:21] <ImDoT> anyone know how to handle several xservers on one machine ?
[01:21] <ruser> szal: nvm i'll figure it out.
[01:21] <reisio> ImDoT: for what purpose
[01:21] <lord_enzo> hi, I have a little problem installing ubuntu, who I have to ask?
[01:21] <ruser> KM0201:  you know the real difference is the default "suggusted" package lists.  for people who don't want to pick packages manually
[01:22] <szal> correct me if I'm wrong, but afaik Lubuntu is officially supported now (from Oneiric on)
[01:22] <reisio> it is
[01:22] <ImDoT> a multiple screen screen setup running on a sandy bridge laptop. I can start  the nvidia server but not type in it
[01:22] <ruser> szal: still, though,  which version is natty?  10.x?  still not clear on how to avoid  unity when upgrading.
[01:22] <KM0201> ruser: well, there's also GUI differences.. but... yes, of course there's suggested package differences also.
[01:22] <szal> !natty | ruser
[01:22] <shawn186> oh thanks
[01:22] <ruser> KM0201:  GUI difference comes via different packages
[01:23] <ruser> szal: thnx
[01:23] <KM0201> ruser: if you know so much, why did you ask what Xubuntu and Lubuntu are?
[01:23] <urlin2u> lord_enzo, whats the problem?
[01:23] <urlin2u> 's*
[01:23] <lord_enzo> hi urlin2u!
[01:23] <ruser> KM0201: because it's the same concept as Kubuntu and ubuntu with gnome
[01:23] <KM0201> ruser: i gave you a basic rundown of what they were designed for, i didn't intend to go nto great detail about them.
[01:23] <KM0201> ruser: no its not.
[01:23] <ruser> KM0201:  okay, than i stand corrected.  how are htey not?
[01:24] <urlin2u> lord_enzo, hello, give us a little info on your problem.
[01:24] <DrManhattan> well, the lamp server setup was very, very easy
[01:24] <DrManhattan> gotta give props for that
[01:24] <KM0201> ruser: i'm not gonna bother carrying this conversation on w/ you further, cuz i can tell its pointless.. i'd just suggest you do some googling
[01:24] <DrManhattan> I wonder why rhel/scientific doesn't have that option
[01:24] <shawn186> classic restored
[01:24] <ruser> KM0201: ok, i'm going to say you are wrong, i'm not going to explain why, i will suggest some googling, thanks for nothing :)
[01:24] <Dark_Apostrophe> ruser: So, do you have any suggestions for what I can do? This fan noise is getting annoying... just installed lm-sensors, it only shows a single sensor (at 87*C)
[01:24] <KM0201> ruser: you're welcome
[01:25] <lord_enzo> well, I'm a newbie with linux, it's the first time I'm installing it anywhere, so I'm pretty confused… I installed a copy of 11.10 64 bits in a computer I have laying around. When I connect the Live USB or the CD it all starts Ok, it ask me what I want to do, either install, try, etc…
[01:25] <ruser> Dark_Apostrophe: check your proc filesystem  for other sesors data
[01:25] <Scott0> shawn186: that easy?
[01:25] <lord_enzo> If I choose straight away to try, or install, the system just freezes after the ubuntu logo, either on black or in a purple background
[01:25] <lord_enzo> but, if in the menu that is asking me what I want to do I press f6 and check ACPI=OFF
[01:25] <urlin2u> !nomodeset | lord_enzo
[01:26] <Dark_Apostrophe> ruser: Not sure which of the "files" might contain sensor readouts
[01:26] <lord_enzo> the live cd starts ok, but after the installation, none
[01:26] <urlin2u> lord_enzo, take a look at getting nomodeset in the start to boot in low graphics.
[01:26] <shawn186> besides the administration menu..
[01:27] <lord_enzo> I'll try that right now, thanks
[01:27] <ruser> Dark_Apostrophe: /proc/acpi/ check in tehre problbly in thermal zone
[01:28] <urlin2u> lord_enzo, y9ou can put nomodeset in the kernel at the grub menu, to get the grub menu if your not seeing it tap the shift key I believe at powering on hit e the intsert nomodeset at the splash notation in the kernel, use the arrow keys to navigate there.
[01:28] <ruser> KM0201: i'm looking at wiki page for Lubuntu i'm not seeing any difference between  Kubuntu and Gubuntu if you will.
[01:28] <Ferris_Bueller> !list
[01:28] <Dark_Apostrophe> ruser: nothing there containing temperature info
[01:28] <lord_enzo> thanks
[01:28] <Dark_Apostrophe> ac_adapter, battery, button, etc. only
[01:29] <lord_enzo> i'm trying right now...
[01:29] <urlin2u> lord_enzo, sorry for this misspelling ask any questions if needed.  I'm editing the booting options (with the E in the GRUB menu… ) where do I have to put the nomodeset?
[01:30] <ruser> KM0201: please correct me, where i'm wrong, by all means. or atleast link me
[01:32] <ruser> KM0201: are packages built with different options in them?  and thus
[01:32] <ruser> KM0201: are packages built with different options in them?  and thus "optimized"?
[01:32] <lord_enzo> I found it!
[01:33] <Scott0> ruser: couldnt get past the whole zonemdiner thing during the headers  install, so i just started a regular upgrade
[01:33] <zmiq> hi. trying ubuntu on a new macboook air; when booting from usb, I get "boot error" message. Any hints?
[01:33] <reisio> zmiq: how'd you image to USB?
[01:33] <urlin2u> lord_enzo, you will see no splash or ro splash in that area, it will get you in with low graphics hopefully then when in run the update manager then check additional drivers for any graphics drivers.
[01:33] <Scott0> zmiq: did you get the mac version of ubuntu?
[01:33] <zmiq> used the setup_mac_usb_boot.sh script
[01:34] <ruser> zmiq: iirc, you need to make sure the usb driver is in the kernel.  i might be way off
[01:34] <shawn186> whats the name of the 10.10 shell?
[01:34] <Dark_Apostrophe_> ruser: Aaand the craptop just completely shut down. Maybe overheat or something. It's happened before, but in Win7... :/
[01:34] <lord_enzo> now it has started, but my screen says that the signal is out of range!
[01:34] <urlin2u> lord_enzo, I believe it is crtl-x to boot from there it should be indicated on the screen at some point
[01:34] <Scott0> booting from usb because of the external drive?
[01:34] <ruser> Dark_Apostrophe_: how how is does the box feel?
[01:34] <bsmith093> will a zip extract fail on a long filename in xp
[01:35] <urlin2u> lord_enzo, did you crtl-x?
[01:35] <lord_enzo> yes, I did that already, I'm also following the link you sent me :-D
[01:35] <ruser> Dark_Apostrophe_: s/how how/how hot/
[01:35] <Dark_Apostrophe_> ruser: It's warm
[01:35] <bsmith093> becasue im buring a zip for a non techie from ubuntu to winxp
[01:35] <zmiq> ruser: I used ubuntu-11.10-desktop-amd64+mac.iso
[01:36] <reisio> zmiq: some stuff here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/How%20to%20install%20Ubuntu%20on%20MacBook%20using%20USB%20Stick
[01:36] <shawn186> ?\
[01:36] <ruser> Dark_Apostrophe: is there fan folder?  man i'm sorry super rusty here.  but you should be able to control the fan. is it always running and is hot, or just always on and isn't hot
[01:37] <zmiq> reisio: I'm using instructions located at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookAir4-2
[01:37] <quixotedon> hi all, how can i mount my hard disk drive (partitioned using windows) automatically on start up?
[01:38] <ruser> quixotedon: add an entry to fstab
[01:38] <zmiq> reisio: my link seems more up-to-date, form macbbok 4.2
[01:38] <reisio> it does indeed
[01:38] <lord_enzo> urlin2u, it is "working" now… If i connect the vga cable to my usual screen (the one that doesn't belong to the computer with ubuntu but my usual one) it works with a very sloppy graphics… You know what can I do to make the graphic card work? The system didn't recognize any special driver for the card
[01:38] <quixotedon> ruser: where to find the fstab?
[01:38] <shawn186> anyone know?
[01:38] <zmiq> quixotedon: /etc/fstab
[01:38] <ruser> !fstab | quixotedon
[01:38] <quixotedon> ruser: i'm a newbie on command line things.. :)
[01:39] <urlin2u> lord_enzo, have you run the update manger to get the update and upgrades?
[01:39] <ruser> quixotedon: there is an example in the first link, on hor to mount ntfs
[01:39] <ruser> s/hor/how
[01:39] <reisio> shawn186: GNOME 2 AFAIK
[01:39] <shawn186> it actually had the system tab
[01:39] <zmiq> ruser: can the problem be I'm using a 2GB usb stick? is it too big?
[01:39] <shawn186> is their a way to get that in 11.10?
[01:39] <shawn186> \
[01:40] <urlin2u> quixotedon, sudo gedit/etc/fstab
[01:40] <reisio> shawn186: the system tab?
[01:40] <shawn186> yes
[01:40] <shawn186> the bar in 11.4 is still big
[01:40] <shawn186> i like the classic from 10.10
[01:41] <lord_enzo> urlin2u, yes, now it has detected NVIDIA based card… Thank you very much for the help, I've been wandering for hours around this, because I knew it was from the graphic card, but I thought that ACPI was involved, without your help I would neve have found the info about nomodeset!
[01:41] <reisio> shawn186: if you install gnome-shell or gnome-panel and log out, hit the cog next to your name to change, log back in, maybe
[01:42] <urlin2u> lord_enzo, no problem hopefully thats it, enjoy.
[01:42] <lord_enzo> thank you very much again… Have a good night/day depending where you are!
[01:43] <urlin2u> lord_enzo, you to. :D
[01:43] <ruser> !classic | shawn186
[01:43] <shawn186> reisio i did
[01:43] <ruser> shawn186: i guess you want no unity
[01:43] <shawn186> yea, I have gnome classic
[01:43] <ruser> ah, sorry i'm too late, someone is already helping @ shawn186
[01:43] <reisio> shawn186: how about gnome-session-fallback
[01:44] <shawn186> comeagain?
[01:45] <Banch> How do I do shell accounts for irssi for couple of my mates in kubuntu. cant find where to add how much storage they got
[01:45] <ActionParsnip> Banch: so you want to enforce disk quotas
[01:45] <ruser> Banch: do they have accounts on the box already?  if not you need to add new users to the system and if you want to limit their usage look into quota
[01:46] <ruser> !quota | Banch
[01:46] <ruser> bah, unkonnw factoid :)
[01:46] <Banch> _:)
[01:46] <Banch> damn and my mate says he cant even connect ( even thou he's irssin thru my box lol
[01:46] <ActionParsnip> Banch: is that what you want?
[01:47] <Banch> I want to add users with 250mb disk quotas
[01:47] <Banch> or maybe 1 gig
[01:47] <ruser> Banch: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-setup-disk-quotas-in-ubuntu.html
[01:47] <shawn186> whats session fallback?
[01:47] <Banch> Thank you ruser
[01:47] <reisio> shawn186: gnome-session-fallback
[01:47] <shawn186> what is that...
[01:47] <reisio> it's a package
[01:48] <ruser> Banch: that article is pretty old, id' check for something newer
[01:48] <shawn186> do I sudo apt-get install?
[01:48] <reisio> shawn186: yup
[01:48] <shawn186> ok
[01:49] <shawn186> gnome session fallback is already the newwest version
[01:50] <shawn186> *newest
[01:51] <Banch> Maybe I just let them rally my all 40gb of HDD to their porn
[01:51] <robin0800> shawn186, try gnome-panel
[01:52] <r4> is there any guide on how to use synchronous with hints when sending notifications via notify-send?
[01:52] <shawn186> that is installed too
[01:52] <reisio> shawn186: try Ubuntu 10.04 LTS
[01:52] <shawn186> ?
[01:52] <shawn186> 10.10 had the good interface
[01:52] <reisio> so did 10.04, but it's supported longer
[01:52] <shawn186> i just want that same style
[01:53] <reisio> yes we know
[01:53] <robin0800> shawn186, well you can log into gnome classic or gnome classic fallback
[01:54] <shawn186> i don't see gnome fallback
[01:54] <parabyte> hiya
[01:54] <shawn186> i am only in gnome classic with effects
[01:54] <parabyte> is make defconfig the command i want when building a new kernel to just have modules my system uses?
[01:54] <parabyte> i cant remember
[01:54] <cyphase> is there any way to get back the same gnome as is available in 11.04? gnome-session-fallback is not that
[01:55] <robin0800> shawn186, gnome classic no effects
[01:55] <ActionParsnip> !notunity
[01:55] <ActionParsnip> robin0800: or install xfce4 and use xfce
[01:55] <shawn186> i like effects though
[01:55] <kadal> test
[01:55] <Scott0> oh so i can try gnome 3? is this the first time gnome 3 is being used in ubuntu?
[01:56] <cyphase> JapaniansUnited
[01:56] <robin0800> shawn186, gnome classic needs a hack to run compiz
[01:56] <DeviceZer0> does 11.10 have the old gnome?
[01:56] <DeviceZer0> or only unity?
[01:56] <Scott0> japanians?
[01:56] <d3n1z> balke
[01:56] <d3n1z> blake
[01:56] <cyphase> lol, stupid friend
[01:56] <Scott0> DeviceZer0: apparently you can get any of the 3
[01:57] <shawn186> robin0800 the gnome classic package looks nothing like 10l10
[01:57] <shawn186> *10.10
[01:57] <DeviceZer0> !classic
[01:57] <Scott0> ruser: omg it worked!
[01:57] <urlin2u> shawn186, it's not exactly gnome 2
[01:57] <DeviceZer0> !gnome
[01:57] <ruser> Scott0: what did?
[01:57] <shawn186> bull
[01:58] <Scott0> just apt-get upgrade with the old release sources
[01:58] <CrazyT> I.m running gnome classic with compiz just installed cairo-dock and it created a session the added gnome -panel to it
[01:58] <Scott0> im gonna then try to dist upgrade to the next LTS
[01:58] <robin0800> shawn186, you can configure it though use alt click
[01:58] <ruser> Scott0: that's what i'm doing right now
[01:58] <Scott0> should i include non LTS releases in my upgrades or just skip over them?
[01:58] <urlin2u> Scott0, are you on 9.10?
[01:59] <Scott0> yes
[01:59] <urlin2u> the next lts is 10.04 and the one after is 5 1/2 months from release 12.04
[02:00] <ruser> Scott0: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LucidUpgrades
[02:00] <Scott0> wow gnome 3 even looks like mac
[02:00] <shawn186> the date wasn't in the center of the task bar in 10.10
[02:00] <shawn186> there wasn't a chat balloon by the user's name
[02:00] <shawn186> the bar is still a size bigger
[02:01] <Scott0> ruser: i love that these all assume theres a DE
[02:01] <urlin2u> Scott0, if you want to upgrade at all from 9.10 you need to see this link it has the instructions. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[02:02] <shawn186> there was an elegant gear taking the space of both the name and balloon
[02:02] <ruser> Scott0: lol, use the  "server" setup
[02:02] <j72x> even this is still usable
[02:02] <j72x> it runs linux
[02:03] <j72x>  but not ubuntu
[02:03] <Scott0> are the lucid sources still active?
[02:04] <Scott0> ruser: and servers still assume theres a DE, im using cli only server
[02:04] <ruser> Scott0: no
[02:05] <ruser> Scott0: i am running a few dedicated boxes without DE and used the core package to update
[02:05] <Scott0> installing update-manager-core on a cli server?
[02:05] <Scott0> weird
[02:05] <Malgorath> Can someone help me out with this problem.  My network seems to have like a 15 second delay on anything it does. this computer dual boots win7 and has no issues in win7. I just did a ping -c 1 www.google.ca and was giving a 18.7ms response but it required 20 seconds to complete
[02:05] <Scott0> ive only ever done apt-get
[02:05] <urlin2u> Scott0, lucid is a lts
[02:05] <Scott0> why wont apt-get dist-upgrade after changing the soruces to lucid work?
[02:06] <ruser> urlin2u: how bad if i didn't change my update mnanger settings to lts and left it at normal and now peforming a release upgrade?
[02:06] <fiddle> I want to optimize some logging that is done in an application. The app consists of many CGI scripts which run under Tomcat. Is it a good idea to use some MessageQueue and everytime I want to LOG something I put it in the MessageQueue and then some daemon takes care of writing the MessageQueue to the disk ?
[02:06] <Scott0> ruser: your doing what i just mentioned already?
[02:06] <Scott0> lol
[02:06] <urlin2u> ruser, what is the OS right now what release?
[02:06] <Scott0> lemme know how that works out :P
[02:06] <ruser> urlin2u:  9.10 :(
[02:06] <ruser> Scott0: yes
[02:07] <urlin2u> ruser, not good you have to follow a end of life process follow this link as I have told Scott0 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[02:07] <Scott0> why?
[02:08] <Scott0> why do you have to follow and end of life process instead of upgrading like i normally would?
[02:08] <urlin2u> ruser, really I would just back up the stuff needed like media etc and just fresh install, the upgrades can take a while.
[02:08] <ruser> urlin2u: yeah i'm going udpate to the closest LTS and actually i jsut read the comments in the file it's only  changes the prompt option.  so not an issue
[02:08] <urlin2u> Scott0, because the repos are closed on end of life OS
[02:08] <Scott0> which repos?
[02:08] <Scott0> 9.10 or 10.10?
[02:08] <pnorman_desktop> I'm copying stuff off of an external HD formatted as ext4. Is there a way to mount it so I can copy stuff off, ignoring permissions? I'd rather not have to sudo cp then change permissions. (mounting as ro)
[02:09] <urlin2u> Scott0, 9.10 is end of life read the link please.
[02:09] <Scott0> urlin2u: i switched to the old release repos and upgraded
[02:09] <ruser> urlin2u: the page that documetnation links to is broken :)
[02:09] <sianhulo> fellows, I need your help, I'm trying boot using an iso from grub2(because i cannot boot from usb)but I cannot, I've tried with some entries but when I try to boot i alwasy get 3 errors, " the disk cannot get C/H/S values","such disk doesn't exist" and "the kernel have to be loaded first"(or something like that). the only way i can boot with an iso iss by unetbootin(putting the iso on the hard dive) but that way I'm unable to install
[02:09] <Scott0> urlin2u: now im going to take my upgraded 9.10 and dist-upgrade to lucid
[02:09] <Scott0> im guessing you dint know i did the old-release thing from the EOL page
[02:09] <hope> personally crossed over from the dark side since hardy herron, but still really just a user.  now looking for help w/ multiple displays in ubuntu studio 11.10 install
[02:10] <lord_enzo> Hi, let's see who can help me
[02:10] <sianhulo> these are my entries http://pastebin.com/L8SGh08u
[02:10] <lord_enzo> I installed a 11.10 today, and I have problems with my graphics (or at least I think is that)
[02:11] <sianhulo> (btw, the iso es on my pendrive, sdb1)
[02:11] <lord_enzo> I started the live CD by selection NOACPI option, and after the installation was done, urlin2u showed me the way to boot the system with the nomodeset option, which worked and I could start the system. Then, an update prompt told me to upgrade mi Nvidia derived graphics drivers, and I did so
[02:12] <urlin2u> ruser, read carefully that link I don't just espouse this to please my self it is basically what has to be done for a stable upgrade, besides going to grub 2. Look for this line in the link for what I'm saying as proof to reading the link correctly and understanding it. We will do the following upgrades, 8.10 to 9.04 to 9.10 to 10.04 LTS.
[02:12] <Scott0> this is why i stopped using ubuntu for servers 2 years ago...
[02:12] <Scott0> never had to deal with update-manager stuff in cli
[02:12] <lord_enzo> right now I'm where I begin: I cannot launch the system, because I get a black screen (and the monitor just go to sleep) even if I choose nomodeset option at the grub
[02:12] <reisio> and yet here you are
[02:12] <ruser> urlin2u: that's whati'm doing right now.    9.10 to 10.04  that is
[02:13] <Scott0> reisio: pulled a computer out of my closet
[02:13] <ruser> reisio: he just came in to ask :)
[02:13] <urlin2u> Scott0, you let yourself get caught here by not staying updated it is your fdault, and you are not following a standard process.
[02:13] <reisio> Scott0: sure sure :p
[02:13] <Scott0> lol right
[02:13] <Scott0> i use plain debian for my servers
[02:13] <Scott0> ubuntu only for desktop
[02:13] <reisio> I use striped debian
[02:13] <Scott0> striped?
[02:13] <Scott0> ....
[02:13] <reisio> no those are dots
[02:14] <reisio> stripes are more like | || | || |
[02:14] <Scott0> reisio: are you trolling me?
[02:14] <ruser> lol, i was about to say that
[02:14] <shawn186> theres not even a lot of the apps I was using in 10.10 in 11.04
[02:14] <reisio> ruser: too slow :p
[02:14] <shawn186> like the palmos thing
[02:14] <randomseed> agemoi100
[02:14] <lord_enzo> hello! can somebody help me please?
[02:14] <ruser> shawn186: i'm sure yoiu can install them using the package manager
[02:15] <reisio> Scott0: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMEe7JqBgvg
[02:15] <reisio> lord_enzo: with?
[02:15] <sianhulo> someone who know about gub2?
[02:15] <shawn186> i liked the natural way of installing a proportion
[02:15] <whatsaHacker> How do I force close Muon?
[02:15] <reisio> sianhulo: what about it
[02:16] <sianhulo> "fellows, I need your help, I'm trying boot using an iso from grub2(because i cannot boot from usb)but I cannot, I've tried with some entries but when I try to boot i alwasy get 3 errors, " the disk cannot get C/H/S values","such disk doesn't exist" and "the kernel have to be loaded first"(or something like that). the only way i can boot with an iso iss by unetbootin(putting the iso on the hard dive) but that way I'm unable to install. these are my entrie
[02:16] <sianhulo> s http://pastebin.com/L8SGh08u"
[02:16] <Scott0> reisio: LOL
[02:16] <whatsaHacker> Anobody? Force closing Muon?
[02:16] <shawn186> it seems ubuntu is getting worse like windows
[02:16] <whatsaHacker> ^
[02:16] <ruser> whatsaHacker: find the corresponding process and kill it?
[02:16] <lord_enzo> I explained it before! well, i have been having problems with the installation of ubuntu and my graphics, I got the black screen. urlin2u told me to do the nomodeset option from the grub. After doing that, the system started OK, but when doing the upgrades for the nvidia drivers, at restarting it won't go again, not even with nomodeset
[02:16] <ruser> whatsaHacker:  no idiea what is muon
[02:17] <whatsaHacker> package manager
[02:17] <celltech> Must completly remove libreoffice. However. Libreoffice does not show up in software center. How must remove?
[02:17] <parabyte> anyone know what the command is to build a new kernel and detect running modules and place that in .config
[02:17] <parabyte> make something
[02:17] <parabyte> to detect the running modules
[02:17] <parabyte> the command was introduced with kernel 2.6
[02:18] <parabyte> any help be apreciated
[02:18] <ruser> parabyte: sudo lsmod?
[02:18] <sianhulo> lord_enzo, I haven't used nvidia in a while, but as far as i remember, ubuntu wasn't up to date with it's driver, yous hould look for a way to obatin the newer
[02:18] <parabyte> no its a make something
[02:18] <ruser> parabyte: lsmod will show you the modules loaded
[02:18] <parabyte> it detects and makes a .config file for building new kernel
[02:18] <parabyte> ruser, its like make something
[02:18] <lord_enzo> how can I uninstall the drivers the system has just updated? because with those, I cannot start
[02:18] <celltech> Nevermind. Forgot about Sudo apt-get remove -Item-
[02:18] <parabyte> i been for hours scratching my head googaling it even make help
[02:19] <ActionParsnip> celltech: run:  dpkg -l | grep office   it will show you package names, you can thenremove the libreoffice ones
[02:19] <lord_enzo> sianhulo, how can I uninstall the drivers the system has just updated? because with those, I cannot start
[02:19] <ruser> parabyte:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile ?
[02:19] <celltech> ActionParsnip  How do I remove from terminal once opened
[02:20] <hope> lord_enzo: while running, did you try a third-party driver for nvidia?
[02:20] <sianhulo> lord_enzo, newer drivers are supossed to replace old ones
[02:20] <parabyte> ruser, thanks
[02:20] <parabyte> ruser, make localmodconfig
[02:21] <ruser> parabyte: yep, it's all there
[02:21] <parabyte> dunno why its not in make help
[02:21] <sianhulo> lord_enzo, the other option is to use apt-get remove and later install the one who comes with the cd
[02:21] <parabyte> ruser, what annoys me about linux they sometimes miss certain details
[02:21] <lord_enzo> no, when started after the installation, (with nomodeset option at GURB) the automatic updates just told me to activate some nvidia drivers, and I told it to do so…
[02:22] <ruser> parabyte: agreed. usually they are really good with details though :)
[02:22] <lord_enzo> sniahulo, how do I use the apt-get remove command to do so?
[02:22] <ruser> parabyte: atleast  libc man pages are awesome :)
[02:22] <Scott0> ruser: still doing the dist-upgrade?
[02:22] <Scott0> ruser: i went ahead with it :P
[02:23] <ruser> Scott0:  i'm already on 10.04.03 :)
[02:23] <Scott0> so it worked
[02:23] <shawn186> why can't ubuntu look like this anymore? http://design.canonical.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/ambiance-maverick-preview_update.png
[02:23] <Scott0> then whats with the update-manager-core stuff
[02:23] <benlebovitz> hi guys, I just installed 10.04 (64 bit) on a new HP Pavilion... I'm having some trouble with wireless and an extended monitor.  Can anyone point me in the right direction for drivers?
[02:23] <ruser> Scott0: i did do-release-upgrade that is
[02:23] <Scott0> ruser: ah so you did
[02:23] <ruser> Scott0:  that comes writh core
[02:23] <Scott0> im not :P
[02:23] <ruser> Scott0: that's the "proper" way though
[02:24] <lord_enzo> sianhulo, how do I use the apt-get remove command to do so?
[02:24] <Scott0> ruser: did you switch to the lucid sources first?
[02:24] <ruser> benlebovitz: you will need to be a bit more specific as to which wifi chipset and gfx card(s)
[02:24] <ruser> Scott0: nope it does it on it's own
[02:24] <ruser> Scott0: that's the beauty
[02:24] <ruser> lord_enzo: what pacakge are you trying to remove?
[02:24] <Scott0> wish i could do what it needs manually
[02:24] <urlin2u> shawn186, it is not part of the overall development plan basically, but I believe you can install in oneiric a gnome 2 like DE not sure how though, butI think there is a gnome classic
[02:24] <Scott0> not a fan of magic stuff
[02:25] <lord_enzo> ruser: the last one installed, its a nvidia driver package that installed automatically
[02:25] <cyphase> the 'gnome classic' sucks
[02:25] <cyphase> if you mean gnome-session-fallback
[02:25] <shawn186> i have gnome classic installed
[02:25] <multipass> .changelog
[02:25] <Scott0> cyphase: compared to what?
[02:25] <sianhulo> lord_enzo, sudo apt-get remove "name of the package"
[02:25] <shawn186> but it still looks like 11.04 shit
[02:25] <ruser> lord_enzo:  do you know the package name?
[02:25] <lord_enzo> I don't remember…
[02:25] <cyphase> Scott0, compared to what i have now on my 11.04 machine
[02:25] <shawn186> nothing like maverick
[02:25] <shawn186> it is annoying
[02:25] <Scott0> cyphase: are you rich?
[02:25] <lord_enzo> I've been hours with this, and I'm kind of "soft-brained"
[02:26] <sianhulo> but i cat remember the command you use for install packages from a cd
[02:26] <Scott0> cyphase: my hardware cant support the pretty crap
[02:26] <_r00t_> gpu benchmarking under ubuntu ?
[02:26] <cyphase> Scott0, i think you misunderstand. on 11.04 i'm using gnome2, with gnome-panel
[02:26] <cyphase> Scott0, and it looks like it always has
[02:26] <Scott0> cyphase: oooh
[02:26] <cyphase> Scott0, but in 11.10 gnome-session-fallback's gnome-panel is crap
[02:27] <Scott0> cyphase: im on 11.04 using "Ubuntu Classic no effects"
[02:27] <sianhulo> grub2, someone knows about it?
[02:27] <cyphase> Scott0, i'm using classic with effects
[02:27] <Scott0> cyphase: whats the alrternative with 11.10?
[02:27] <dr_willis> ive heard the next big thing for compz will some how makeing it work on non3d acell hardware
[02:27] <Scott0> id like to upgrade but not if im gonna be stuck with unity or a broken gnome2
[02:27] <cyphase> Scott0, i don't know, but i'm gonna take a look at kde now. never though i'd say that
[02:28] <Scott0> and gnome 3 looks too pretty
[02:28] <cyphase> Scott0, i'll give gnome-shell and unity a chance
[02:28] <cyphase> and maybe they'll be better next release
[02:28] <Scott0> eh
[02:28] <j72x>  omfg
[02:28] <Scott0> prob not
[02:28] <cyphase> but i'm pessimistic on them right now
[02:28] <Scott0> everyone is trying to make computing "easy"
[02:29] <cyphase> though really, i'm not sure i want to install 11.10 on my main machine until i sort this out
[02:29] <Scott0> so catering to a generation that wants to avoid having to think to do anything is a mistake
[02:29] <dr_willis> unity will see big imprivements in the next release
[02:29] <ruser> lord_enzo:  you need to track that package name down  try finding it in  here sudo apt-cache search nvidia
[02:29] <spacebug-> dr_willis: but gnome will still be the same version as now right?
[02:30] <dr_willis> spacebug-:  ask the gnome devs. :-)
[02:30] <cyphase> The Next Unity! Even More Babying!
[02:30] <Scott0> when making it looks nice takes second place to functionality, im upset
[02:30] <Scott0> cyphase: lol
[02:30] <spacebug-> dr_willis: heh just read somethign about that in a few blogs
[02:31] <Scott0> cyphase: have you tried gnome3?
[02:31] <urlin2u> Scott0, to be honest I'm surprised you have opposable thumbs at all with your and probably your heredity unable to adapt. :D
[02:31] <sianhulo> I'm upset because they quit screensaver and a way for personalizing the themes you have(i don't like gnome tweak tool)
[02:31] <Scott0> urlin2u: unable to adapt?
[02:31] <cyphase> Scott0, i've given it a cursory try. i dont think i like it, but im gonna give it a chance
[02:31] <Scott0> you seem to be confusing adaptation with encouraging laziness
[02:31] <shawn186> anyone here at all know what I am asking about?
[02:31] <lord_enzo> ruser: it gives me a lot of results…. and I don't remember the right one.
[02:32] <sianhulo> and, i'm upset because i haven't been able to install ubuntu with my pendrive either
[02:32] <Scott0> i dont like encouraging laziness
[02:32] <Scott0> but whatever thats why there are other distros
[02:32] <dr_willis> back to ubuntu support now...
[02:32] <lord_enzo> what I can do is reinstall the system, as it doesn't take long, and I have nothing in the computer, start it again with the nomodeset option, but I would like to know what to do after that… where can I get some proper drivers, or not…
[02:32] <dr_willis> lord_enzo:  what chipset
[02:33] <vishwas> Anbody using tweetdeck?
[02:33] <dibs> I need some help with a vb install of oneric, I had a powerdown during upgrade and now have a blue console screen that is unreadable, how can I get past it?
[02:33] <urlin2u> Scott0, adapt yes ethier use the DE or find another using a circular thinking/complain process on the irc instead of just moving on is rather inefficient.
[02:33] <sianhulo> vishwas, linux lost support of tweetdeck
[02:33] <lord_enzo> amd
[02:33] <Scott0> urlin2u: discussions are not inefficient
[02:33] <Scott0> urlin2u: are you trying to stamp out opposition?
[02:33] <quixotedon> dibs: maybe you need an install CD
[02:34] <lord_enzo> dr_willis. I'm with an AMD Athlon, and the graphic card is a zotac
[02:34] <dr_willis> !text | dibs
[02:34] <urlin2u> Scott0, so tell me then how is this discussion helping you then.
[02:34] <Scott0> i lvoe when people think that discussion about topics they dont agree with are a waste of time
[02:34] <Scott0> its so one sided
[02:34] <dr_willis> lord_enzo: nvudia or ati chipset? not the brand.
[02:34] <dibs> dr_willis: I can get to term that way and managed to get upgrade and update etc finished but still no graphics
[02:34] <Scott0> urlin2u: im obligated to discuss things only to help myself?
[02:35] <lord_enzo> nvidia
[02:35] <lord_enzo> sorry
[02:35] <Scott0> urlin2u: that doesnt sound right
[02:35] <_r00t_> What's a good gpu benchmarking under ubuntu ?
[02:35] <urlin2u> Scott0, lol no gop ahead I am just suggesting you wasting your time canonical will not change, it is you that has to.
[02:35] <Scott0> urlin2u: i know
[02:36] <Scott0> im just upset about the direction all of a sudden
[02:36] <Scott0> being a user since 6.10
[02:36] <dr_willis> lord_enzo:  install with nomodeset, boot with nomodeset, install nvudia drivers, reboot with out nomodeset
[02:36] <Scott0> it makes me sad
[02:36] <dibs> Scott0: what is wrong with direction?
[02:36] <ActionParsnip> _r00t_: some games will allow you to show fps
[02:37] <PhantomPhreak53> I have setup UFW for my ubuntu box. I set default incoming to deny all. Besides my http, ftp, sshd, and mysql are there any ports I should open?
[02:37] <urlin2u> Scott0, cool thing is the 100's of choices you have as far as open source setup.
[02:37] <lord_enzo> dr_willis: that's what I have almost done, I started with ACPI off, then, booted with nomodeset, and Installed one of the two packages the system prompted me to activate, and then, I cannot start with or without nomodeset
[02:37] <_r00t_> thanks ActionParsnip - any suggestions ? I've never played on linux :o
[02:37] <ActionParsnip> _r00t_: http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=486495
[02:37] <RD> is anyone around that can tell me what file to change, i just upgraded a couple days ago, and my desktop is enourmous, i am in my comp with live cd, was hoping there was a configuration file somewhere that i can manually enter my resolution?
[02:38] <lord_enzo> should I start from scratch again?  :(
[02:38] <Scott0> dibs: catering to people who have no desire to learn about computers in order to use them
[02:38] <ActionParsnip> _r00t_: doom3, urban terror, alien arena
[02:38] <Scott0> when they are fully capable of learning
[02:38] <_r00t_> ActionParsnip: Cool and thanks
[02:38] <ActionParsnip> _r00t_: http://www.techdrivein.com/2011/07/top-10-fps-games-for-linux.html
[02:38] <ActionParsnip> _r00t_: urban terror is sweet if you like countersrike
[02:38] <dr_willis> lord_enzo:  with 11.10 for me i dont evenneed nomodeset at all.... on my 4 nvudia nqchines
[02:39] <dibs> Scott0: you don't need to be leet to need to use a computer. You can chose to just use terminal to do everything if you object to user friendly ui?
[02:39] <Scott0> dibs: i didnt think ubuntu would go that way
[02:39] <Scott0> there was no prior indication to me that it would
[02:39] <Scott0> kind of blindsided by it
[02:39] <_r00t_> nope dont like gaming.
[02:39] <dibs> Scott0: it's "linux for human beings"
[02:39] <Scott0> dibs: im not human?
[02:39] <ojs> hey guys… vote for my band please, just have to open the link: http://tinyurl.com/3k2bwgb  thanks *-*
[02:40] <ActionParsnip> _r00t_: i dont game much. I used to a lot. the forst link I gave has a lot of benchmarking stuffs
[02:40] <dibs> Scott0: Can't be sure
[02:40] <Scott0> dibs: being human has nothing to do with having the desire to learn
[02:40] <Scott0> they can learn, they just dont want to
[02:40] <dibs> Scott0: learn what?
[02:40] <lord_enzo> dr_willis, don't know, it's my first time with a linux, and it's being a nightmare! I don't know what happens… In my Mac laptop (with nvidia also) it works perfectly.. being a mac! but with the AMD/nvidia one it's crazy
[02:40] <_r00t_> Thanks ActionParsnip - Yes I'm going to use that lost
[02:40] <Scott0> the ins and outs of computers
[02:40] <dibs> not everyone is wanting to know this htough
[02:41] <hope> just installed 11.10 ubuntu studio and cannot setup a 2nd display like i can in ubuntu.  need some help...:-(
[02:41] <sianhulo> Scott0,  there are people who aren't "capable" to learn. I personally use the console the most i can, it's faster than a GUI
[02:41] <dibs> I like to know, you do too obviously but it should not be mandated
[02:41] <Scott0> great, gonn have ubuntu users that dont know the difference between the power button and the one to iopen the optical drive
[02:41] <Scott0> its sad, i have proof that such individuals exist
[02:41] <dr_willis> lord_enzo:  the mac works but nirmal pc has ussues hmm..
[02:41] <sianhulo> however, people may choice
[02:41] <cyphase> Scott0, Alt+right-click lets you add things to the panel
[02:41] <cyphase> Scott0, in gnome-classic
[02:41] <Scott0> cyphase: is that good?
[02:41] <dibs> Scott0:  it sound slike you need to get a windows machine, very complicated, lots of challenges, good times
[02:41] <emery> How do I add one single song to Banshee? Without rescanning everything.
[02:42] <Scott0> dibs: umm what you are explaining is supposed to be linux
[02:42] <hope> scott0: i thought that was a cup-holder!
[02:42] <cyphase> Scott0, at least you *can* add things to the panel. i thought it wast possible after i tried before
[02:42] <Scott0> dibs: and besides, why would i pay for an operating system?
[02:42] <dr_willis> emery drag and drop perhaps
[02:42] <dibs> because you like to make it difficult?
[02:42] <emery> dr willis.......... trying
[02:42] <dibs> to learn from the experience?
[02:43] <lord_enzo> dr_willis, what I meant, is that mac starts with EFI and all the stuff, and they have all that proprietary hardware/software, and it doesn't give me problems, but the other, which should work straight away doesn't… i don't have problems assuming it's my fault, but I keep frustrating
[02:43] <Scott0> dibs: linux is historically been an OS that encourages learning through difficulty
[02:43] <Scott0> its fun!
[02:43] <dr_willis> lord_enzo: what exact nvudia chipset?
[02:44] <ActionParsnip> Scott0: I found Win7 hard and I've use Windows and inux for years
[02:44] <dibs> Scott0: Ubuntu is about accessability isn't it?
[02:44] <sianhulo> so, if you have an enterprise and you want to upgrade computers hardware, you'll lost baluable time to amek it works properly?
[02:44] <Scott0> ActionParsnip: windows 7 is easy
[02:44] <dibs> So who can tell me how to get graphical mode working in ocelt from term?
[02:44] <PhantomPhreak53> Should I block these with UFW, 139/tcp  open  netbios-ssn and 445/tcp  open  microsoft-ds
[02:44] <dibs> ActionParsnip: Scott0 is very skilled
[02:44] <Scott0> dibs: accessability? meaning for the disabled?
[02:44] <sianhulo> Scott0, ia have an hp pavilion, i find w7 difficult there are options that i dont know where are
[02:44] <ActionParsnip> Scott0: took me 2 hours to find sound drivers and crank page file on my asus p1-ah2 pundit
[02:45] <Scott0> sianhulo: then research and learn
[02:45] <emery> Drag and drop is a negative
[02:45] <lord_enzo> dr_willis, zotac gts250 1gb tells you something?
[02:45] <sianhulo> i'm not going to buy another laptop hp, it comes with 4 primary partition
[02:45] <sianhulo> so i cannot install linux
[02:45] <ActionParsnip> Scott0: everything works out of the box (even my wireless) in Ubuntu and any other linux distro I have thrown at it
[02:45] <Scott0> sianhulo: i would never buy and hp
[02:45] <robin0800> emm
[02:45] <Scott0> ActionParsnip: thats a fairly new concept in ubuntu :P
[02:45] <ActionParsnip> Scott0: I had to use websearching and finding drivers from 3rd party sources to make my hardwae work
[02:45] <sianhulo> Scott0,  but it's difficult because they want, it's an organization problem
[02:45] <dr_willis> lord_enzo: gts250 is the exact chipset im guessing
[02:45] <ActionParsnip> Scott0: It's been that way since Gutsy back in 2007
[02:46] <robin0800> emery, double click works
[02:46] <cyphase> i think i'm just gonna stay on 11.04 for now
[02:46] <hope> sianhulo: gparted, wipe the other partitions and go full linux.
[02:46] <lord_enzo> dr_willis: that means I'm screwed?
[02:46] <cyphase> maybe try other distros/DEs
[02:46] <sianhulo> hope, yep, i would lost the guarantee
[02:46] <Scott0> cyphase: we need to share experiences as it seems as we are looking for the same thing
[02:47] <ActionParsnip> Scott0: Win7 has everything moved around, like add remove programs is now programs and features. I had to use the web to find that out, sometthing so basic
[02:47] <hope> sianhulo: make a restore disc first if you're not sure.
[02:47] <ActionParsnip> Scott0: in ubuntu it's a lot clearer
[02:47] <Scott0> ActionParsnip: its not that bad, its actually more stable, and besides youc an search for things int he control panel using the search box
[02:47] <cyphase> Scott0, sure. PM me so we don't annoy the rest of the channel :P
[02:47] <Scott0> lol
[02:48] <dr_willis> lord_enzo:  no idea.  i think my desktop has a gts230 that works fine.
[02:48] <sianhulo> furthermore i'm not going to unistall windows(4gb ddr3,  i7 and 1gb vram, it's meantfor playing)
[02:48] <sianhulo> and windows on it's own uses 2 partitions
[02:48] <ActionParsnip> Scott0: I wasnt aware of tht. I've used from 3.1 all the way up to Vista and it's always changing, throwing established users off
[02:48] <Scott0> ActionParsnip: so have i, but ive admnistered them, not just use
[02:49] <sianhulo> right now would be ebtter to isntall wit wubi, but it doesn't work
[02:49] <ActionParsnip> Scott0: me too. I'm a noc engineer by trade
[02:49] <goldjian> hi there
[02:49] <Malgorath> i really am stuck on this problem.  I finally got my wireless working with bmcwl-kernel-source but now the POS won't let me connect to any of the access points it shows
[02:49] <dr_willis> bbl
[02:49] <emery> robin0800 double click didn't work ..unless I have to restart my computer.
[02:50] <goldjian> we have wifi driver issue with a dell inspiron 640m .... trying to find where bcmwl-modaliases get installed
[02:50] <lord_enzo> dr_willis: well, I'm resintalling it again, starting with nomodeset from the beginning and not using acpi off), after that I will boot with nomodeset again (if necessary, which I think it will be) and I'll ask again which package of drivers I should install of the ones that the system let me choose. By the way, I chose 64bit system, not the 32… i don't know if this can come from there…
[02:50] <goldjian> not able to find them
[02:50] <ActionParsnip> whatsaHacker: if you run:  dmesg | grep -i firm
[02:50] <ActionParsnip> whatsaHacker: does it show missing firmware files at all
[02:50] <sianhulo> someone knows about grub2?I'm trying to install from an iso
[02:51] <whatsaHacker> ActionParsnip: Shows 2 Firmware Bugs: ACPI: BIOS_OSI(Linux) query ignored .... && .... Duplicate ACPT video vus devices for the same VGA controller..blah blah blah
[02:52] <ActionParsnip> whatsaHacker: what bout the new exchange interface, and the new citrix console. I had to relearn a whole slew of stuff I already knew because they jumbled it up. Its nonesense
[02:52] <ActionParsnip> whatsaHacker: sorry wrong target
[02:52] <ActionParsnip> Scott0:  what bout the new exchange interface, and
[02:52] <ActionParsnip>                        the new citrix console. I had to relearn a whole slew of
[02:52] <ActionParsnip>                        stuff I already knew because they jumbled it up. Its
[02:52] <ActionParsnip>                        nonesense
[02:52] <Scott0> ActionParsnip: i havent gotten to use 2008 yet
[02:52] <whatsaHacker> what target should i use?
[02:52] <Scott0> still on 2003
[02:52] <i3luefire> about how long should an fsck take on a 3.7TB lvm
[02:54] <lord_enzo> dr_willis: reinstalled, now I'm trying to boot for the fist time
[02:54] <luist> http://tinyurl.com/3k2bwgb  <--- just click to vote on my band ^^ thanks!
[02:54] <i3luefire> and does it really need to be done at all?
[02:55] <goldjian> . trying to find where wifi drivers (in my case bcmwl-modaliases) get installed
[02:55] <goldjian> any idea ?
[02:56] <whatsaHacker> lol
[02:56] <sianhulo> i'm trying(again)to install linux, propably i will come in a while
[02:56] <whatsaHacker> ima bout ready to just delete kubuntu and try suse on this laptop
[02:56] <whatsaHacker> lol
[02:56] <whatsaHacker> >_<
[02:57] <ActionParsnip> Scott0: its all different, again
[02:57] <Broschi> how can  i alter my macbook pros firmware if i only have linux on here?
[02:57] <cdubya> I just updated to 11.10 and am trying to install virtualbox guest additions from the regular virtualbox package in the repos but the source url is bad. any ideas?
[02:57] <ActionParsnip> Scott0: just to throw you off
[02:57] <Scott0> ActionParsnip: i heard of improvments to exchange
[02:57] <ActionParsnip> cdubya: can you give the output of:  sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install virtualbox-ose
[02:58] <ActionParsnip> Scott0: there are some extra features but the exchange interface is all over and its frustrating
[02:58] <Broschi> any geniuses on here tonight?
[02:59] <Broschi> ugh.. all n00bs i take it.. bye
[03:00] <xangua> Broschi: drop that attitude, all here are volunteer
[03:00] <cdubya> ActionParsnip, it installed fine, but I already had virtualbox installed, not the ose version
[03:00] <hope> any help with multiple display settings in 11.10 studio?
[03:00] <ActionParsnip> cdubya: I see, so what is the issue again please?
[03:01] <cdubya> ActionParsnip, the guest additions install fails from the net with a bad url....
[03:02] <ActionParsnip> cdubya: can you pastebin the error you are seeing please
[03:02] <dibs> How do I check if graphics are working from terminal and then try to launch desktop?
[03:03] <sianhulo> as i though, it didn't help
[03:03] <sianhulo> fellows, I need your help, I'm trying boot using an iso from grub2(because i cannot boot from usb)but I cannot, I've tried with some entries but when I try to boot i alwasy get 3 errors, " the disk cannot get C/H/S values","such disk doesn't exist" and "the kernel have to be loaded first"(or something like that). the only way i can boot with an iso iss by unetbootin(putting the iso on the hard dive) but that way I'm unable to install. these are my entries
[03:03] <cdubya> ActionParsnip, I have a screenshot.....
[03:03] <sianhulo>  http://pastebin.com/L8SGh08u
[03:05] <dr_willis> sianhulo:  i have some bookmarks at delicious.com/dr_willis  on iso booting with grub2
[03:06] <sianhulo> dr_willis, I'll check it out, thanks
[03:07] <ActionParsnip> cdubya: cool, use imageshack or similar to host
[03:07] <dr_willis> sianhulo: im not sure your loopback loop paths are right
[03:07] <sianhulo> dr_willis, i'm not either
[03:08] <dr_willis> sianhulo:  wont want wheres uts mounted at now.. but the actual location. hd0/foo.iso  i think..
[03:08] <sianhulo> one of the links no longer exist and the other one means to use plop,and it's necesary because some time ago I was helped here without installing further packages
[03:09] <dr_willis> sianhulo:  check my links fir examples
[03:09] <sianhulo> dr_willis, i'm checking them, one is down, two are for http, one for use plop and the last one is multicd
[03:09] <dr_willis> each distro has its own options it seems also
[03:10] <dr_willis> multicd gurb1
[03:10] <sianhulo> multicd if for grub legacy?
[03:10] <dr_willis> gurb2 may work
[03:11] <dr_willis> been ages sunce i messed with iso grub2
[03:11] <sianhulo> well, i really didn't want to install nothing, i'm already tired, but i will try
[03:12] <dr_willis> im very sure your loopback loop paths are wrong
[03:12] <sianhulo> i wasn't paying attention, i have to burn an cd, my cdrom is not working any longer
[03:13] <sianhulo> dr_willis, yes, but i didn't get wat you wanted to say in there(english isn't my mother tongue)
[03:13] <TheCowboy> How do you add more walls to the desktop wall?
[03:14] <dr_willis> www.dangibbs.co.uk/journal/how-to-boot-live-cd-iso-with-grub2-ubuntu
[03:15] <sianhulo> dr_willis, if i'm understanding you, you're telling me to put the path of the .iso, and that what i put in there :S, that's confusing me
[03:15] <dr_willis> sianhulo:  check that url how they guve the path to the iso
[03:16] <sianhulo> dr_willis, i can boot from iso if i put it in my "/", but that way i'm not able to install
[03:16] <dr_willis> its not a normal linux path
[03:16] <cdubya> ActionParsnip, http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/521/vboxerror.png/
[03:16] <dr_willis> i put mine in its own /boot partitiin
[03:17] <dr_willis> or a vfat partition
[03:17] <hanasaki> why does the openjdk7 bring in the openjdk6 also?
[03:17] <sianhulo> dr_willis, but, were you able to format you "7" partition while installing?
[03:18] <dr_willis> sianhulo: i biited the iso and reinstalled yes
[03:18] <dibs> how to start ocelot graphics from terminal?
[03:18] <dr_willis> 7? what? 7?
[03:19] <sianhulo> sorry, "/"*. btw, bited?
[03:19] <dr_willis> dibs:  try startx
[03:19] <valorin> Anyone having issues with the latest 11.10 update? Unity won't start any more for me...
[03:19] <dibs> dr_willis: I thought this might be it, I try and I have to install, should it not be already installed? was worried something else is afoot.
[03:20] <dr_willis> sianhulo:  /boot is uts iwn partition fow me. i boot the iso and can reinstall the whole os
[03:20] <cdubya> hanasaki, been along time since I've seen you around....
[03:20] <hanasaki> I fly by at times... hi ya cdubya
[03:20] <sianhulo> dr_willis, but i only have "/" and "/hoe" partitions
[03:20] <dibs> oohlala I have graphics again, great success. Thank you all
[03:20] <sianhulo> "/home"*
[03:20] <cdubya> you still bangin away with java?
[03:20] <dr_willis> my /boot is 5 gb :-)
[03:21] <hanasaki> how ya been cdubya
[03:21] <sianhulo> but you check /boot as it will be going to be used by the system?
[03:21] <dr_willis> sianhulo: you coyld put it on /home if you wanted. and do not want to reformat home
[03:21] <cdubya> hanasaki, good...don't write code as much as I used to...kinda miss it. You?
[03:22] <sianhulo> iin that case i might be able to load from my /home, right?
[03:22] <dr_willis> backup any custome grub changes you do.
[03:22] <sianhulo> dr_willis, i've got a little lag
[03:22] <thesheff17> I have a laptop that has two batteries attached.  When the first one reaches the shutdown/hibernate threshold it turns off and then I can't get it back on....I have popped out the dead battery...and started it back up and it continues to work...anyway to disable this?
[03:22] <hanasaki> just seems odd that openjdk7 brings in openjdk6 also and then javac is the v6!
[03:23] <thesheff17> This is Ubuntu 11.10 using gnome3
[03:23] <sianhulo> dr_willis, sorry for being so annoying, but i don't understand that root: (hd0,msdos5). how do i know about the second term?because i always used numbers
[03:25] <dr_willis> id suggest the grub docs.  i  cant recall how its determined
[03:25] <indieross> im trying to get a list of all the mp3s in a directory and output it to a file with ls -R | grep *mp3 > output.txt
[03:25] <indieross> but it does not work, what ami doing wrong?
[03:26] <hanasaki> is there a fix for this? http://askubuntu.com/questions/64329/how-to-replace-openjdk-6-with-openjdk-7
[03:26] <yaboo> trying to reassemble a raid array have four of the five disks and recreates the array, but cannot mount the array
[03:26] <pnorman> indieross: try ls *.mp3
[03:27] <indieross> ahh for sure
[03:27] <xangua> hanasaki: isn't openjdk 7 on oneiric¿
[03:27] <dr_willis> grep *mp3 may be wrong also
[03:27] <indieross> it is
[03:27] <pnorman> I think the technical reason it didn't work was that *mp3 isn't a valid regexp, you'd want .*mp3 I think
[03:27] <pnorman> But my first suggestion is the easier way
[03:28] <hanasaki> xangua: yes. read the URL... installing it also brings in v6 :(
[03:28] <indieross> pnorman .*mp3 is what i needed
[03:28] <indieross> thanks much
[03:29] <Arcademan> Is there a way to get back the old scroll bars in Ubuntu?
[03:29] <pnorman> * operates on the previous character or sub-expression. . represents any character
[03:29] <xangua> Arcademan: saw it on webupd8 tweak post of oneiric
[03:29] <xangua> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/things-to-tweak-after-installing-ubuntu.html
[03:29] <Toidi> Does anyone have an issue with the new UI not showing the menu if using a dual monitor setup and the application is in full screen?
[03:30] <Toidi> Not even pressing the windows key will bring it up till I unmaximize the window on the screen with the menu bar
[03:30] <JustBecauseYouAr> someone with  a brain help me out real quick
[03:31] <JustBecauseYouAr> can i update my macbook pros firmware using linux or no?
[03:31] <sianhulo> dr_willis, i think it may be dependind on sdax(taking x)
[03:31] <sianhulo> i'm gonna try
[03:31] <Toidi> JustBecauseYouAr, Did you look on the forums?
[03:31] <JustBecauseYouAr> im here in this chat asking
[03:31] <roasted> Question - if I want to dual boot my macbook and ubuntu, can I downsize OSX and install Ubuntu or do I need to do a fresh install with a fresh partition table?
[03:31] <sianhulo> if i'm not here within 10 minutes, it worked
[03:31] <JustBecauseYouAr> thanks for a unhelpful reply
[03:32] <sianhulo> JustBecauseYouAr, thanks for your impolite treatment ;)
[03:32] <sianhulo> well, there i go
[03:32] <JustBecauseYouAr> Anyone in here need help? just ask me and ill give the "did you check the forums" for an answer and act like i know computers
[03:33] <Toidi> JustBecauseYouAr, I don't own a mac and I am trying to get my own work done.
[03:33] <JustBecauseYouAr> k then dont reply to my question
[03:33] <Toidi> JustBecauseYouAr, Also the forums are very helpful and there is no need to be flat out rude. 90% of the questions asked here are also on the forums.
[03:33] <Arcademan> ty xangua
[03:33] <JustBecauseYouAr> why are you in here toidi
[03:34] <Toidi> JustBecauseYouAr, Because the forums didn't answer my question/bug
[03:34] <JustBecauseYouAr> im sure you are using linux on a pos acer computer or something
[03:34] <ActionParsnip> roasted: you may be able to resize the mac filesystem
[03:34] <ActionParsnip> JustBecauseYouAr: acer have got a lot better recently
[03:34] <roasted> ActionParsnip, can gparted do that or do I need a mac utility?
[03:34] <JustBecauseYouAr> yeah im sure they did
[03:35] <JustBecauseYouAr> so did asus too right
[03:35] <ActionParsnip> roasted: not sure, I don't buy mac rubbish
[03:35] <JustBecauseYouAr> i know.. anything that cost 1800 bucks is rubbish
[03:35] <roasted> ActionParsnip, nor do I. It's a work laptop and I want to liberate it. :P
[03:35] <pnorman> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1594759 says to use disk utility
[03:35] <roasted> ActionParsnip, besides, we're moving to ubuntu, but we're not there full bore just yet. takes time!
[03:35] <JustBecauseYouAr> you are all tools for using ubuntu anyway
[03:35] <JustBecauseYouAr> liniuxmint11 is available
[03:36] <JustBecauseYouAr> go use that like a smart person would
[03:36] <pnorman> roasted: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1594759 was for you. but, as it notes, *back up*
[03:36] <pnorman> a crash or power blink while resizing a partition stands a very good chance of causing you to lose your data.
[03:37] <roasted> pnorman, maybe I should worry about downsizing my OSX partition on the mac side before I even worry about linux
[03:37] <ActionParsnip> JustBecauseYouAr: its based on ubuntu so will be near identical. Mint is also offtopic here
[03:37] <JustBecauseYouAr> its actually NOT based off ubuntu lol
[03:37] <ActionParsnip> JustBecauseYouAr: its still not discussed here
[03:38] <JustBecauseYouAr> its another distro of linux bruh
[03:38] <emery> How do I add one single song to Banshee? Without rescanning everything.
[03:38] <JustBecauseYouAr> also a lot more stable and reliable
[03:38] <roasted> JustBecauseYouAr, can't say I've ever had a stability problem on ubuntu, and i use it for some core server uses as well.
[03:39] <cdubya> roasted, won't disk utility let you rsize a partition?
[03:39] <pnorman> roasted: http://www.dailyblogged.com/1076/resizing-hfs-partitions/ suggests using a gparted live CD todo it but calls for some steps in disk utility. but ya, shrinking the partition is the first step.
[03:39] <roasted> JustBecauseYouAr, I do recommend seizing the trolling though, as it's incredibly irritating.
[03:39] <roasted> cdubya, yeah,  but I'm concerned about linux's ability to handle OSX partitions with HFS+ file system
[03:39] <ActionParsnip> JustBecauseYouAr: "Based on Debian and Ubuntu, it provides about 30,000 packages and one of the best software managers."  Let me know how that goes for you
[03:40] <JustBecauseYouAr> ANYWAYS
[03:40] <i3luefire> what is the best way to create an RSA key pair in windows?
[03:40] <jgornick> join #symfony
[03:40] <jgornick> meh
[03:41] <JustBecauseYouAr> partitioning in linux is pretty easy.. someone give the poor kid a straight answer
[03:41] <JustBecauseYouAr> doesnt take a lot of effort
[03:41] <roasted> JustBecauseYouAr, in regard to resizing HFS+. That's the key.  It offends me.
[03:42] <JustBecauseYouAr> roasted you offended me
[03:42] <sianhulo> yay!it didn't work, i got almost the same error
[03:42] <JustBecauseYouAr> i dont like the word piss
[03:42] <JustBecauseYouAr> you need to be banned
[03:42] <JustBecauseYouAr> cuz im liek 12
[03:42] <roasted> JustBecauseYouAr, then don't say it. please stop.
[03:42] <JustBecauseYouAr> and god forbid someone offends me
[03:42] <qin> Witnesing lunacy, op?
[03:43] <ActionParsnip> roasted: use /ignore dude ;)
[03:43] <JustBecauseYouAr> im sure you also hate homosexuality too
[03:43] <JustBecauseYouAr> maybe they all need to die etc too right dude?
[03:43] <pnorman> roasted: The last post on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1594759 implies there may be some issues with MBR vs other types of boot records
[03:43] <neo_> hello
[03:43] <JustBecauseYouAr> fucking retard
[03:43] <roasted> lol
[03:43] <roasted> ban coming
[03:43] <Sterist> anybody know what the name of the terminal exec is in usr/bin/ ?
[03:43] <somsip> ActionParsnip: thanks - didn't realise it was that easy to blank out the idiots
[03:43] <neo_> i got a problem im using ubuntu 10.04
[03:44] <neo_> i coudnt connect  to a adhoc network created by windows
[03:44] <sianhulo> befor i was getting, hd2 cannot get C/H/S values. no such file and the kernel have to be loaded first
[03:44] <ActionParsnip> somsip: oh totally. very easy
[03:44] <sianhulo> now the first one changed to file not found, but the rest remains
[03:45] <ActionParsnip> Sterist: do you mean gnome-terminal ?
[03:45] <Sterist> ActionParsnip actually the one used under xubuntu but i think it's the same. maybe it's just xfce4-terminal
[03:46] <Sterist> ActionParsnip i know theres an xubuntu channel but there's like 80 or fewer people and they're usually idle lol
[03:47] <sianhulo> someone who knows about grub2?
[03:47] <domingo> hello
[03:47] <neo_> my problem is i cannot connect to a adhoc network in ubuntu
[03:47] <ActionParsnip> Sterist: possibly xterm
[03:47] <ActionParsnip> Sterist: could try:  ls /usr/bin | grep -i term
[03:47] <domingo> something speak english and spanish
[03:47] <domingo> for help me with home work it is easy i only need something
[03:47] <domingo> speak very well english
[03:48] <domingo> something over there wanna help me ? please
[03:48] <chingser> yeaahhh
[03:48] <chingser> was geht ab?
[03:48] <qin> domingo: Probably /topic will direct you into right quastions.
[03:49] <domingo> help me something ? talk to me in private
[03:49] <Sterist> ActionParsnip hmm that is a terminal but a very different / ugly one lol
[03:49] <domingo> for i understand
[03:50] <sianhulo> I speak spanish
[03:50] <sianhulo> what do you need?
[03:51] <domingo> sianhulo aqui se puede hablar en privado ?
[03:52] <Sterist> ActionParsnip aah there IS an xfce4-terminal
[03:52] <tensorpudding> domingo, hay un canal para español, #ubuntu-es
[03:52] <tensorpudding> !es
[03:53] <xangua> ...
[03:53] <ggman> Опана а пацаны то незнали...
[03:53] <Sterist> ActionParsnip that's the one. once again thanks a bunch :)
[03:53] <_sivanov> how i install ubuntu 11.10 server on intel matrix raid, the text instal cannot find any disks to install, however, dmraid shows a mirror davice
[03:54] <sianhulo> people, i need help with grub2, i wanna boot with an iso(and install it)someone knows what to do?
[03:55] <dannnnn> i changed the owner of a dir to a user called 'dan'
[03:56] <dannnnn> and chmod that dir to 700
[03:56] <dannnnn> however, even after that i can still open that dir when logged into winscp as root
[03:56] <dannnnn> that should not be possible!
[03:56] <qin> dannnnn: root is uber
[03:57] <dannnnn> but when logged in as root via ssh i can't access that dir as root
[03:57] <dannnnn> it should not be possible to access it unless logged in as dan
[03:57] <qin> dannnnn: In other hand...
[03:58] <dannnnn> whats the point of being able to change ownership if root can always log in
[03:58] <dannnnn> and open it
[04:00] <dr_willis> root is special
[04:00] <dr_willis> other users however would be locked out
[04:00] <qin> dannnnn: One think for sure, neither ssh or any other service sould allow root login (unless really have to).
[04:00] <qin> *nor
[04:02] <dr_willis> normally you dont ssh in directly as root
[04:02] <dr_willis> its a security setting of sshd
[04:03] <dannnnn> ok
[04:03] <wankdanker_> if you do allow root ssh login you should only allow with certificates, not with password auth
[04:03] <dannnnn> i always shh as root
[04:03] <wankdanker_> from my understanding
[04:03] <dannnnn> can i deny root login via some config file ?
[04:03] <qin> dannnnn: /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[04:04] <dannnnn> thanks
[04:04] <katyl> hi is there anyway i can get desktop effects with a sis graphics card?
[04:04] <dr_willis> the default is allready to deny..
[04:04] <dannnnn> well im able to get in just fine
[04:05] <dr_willis> of course the default ubuntu has no root password either
[04:05] <ActionParsnip> katyl: I don't believe they do 3D stuff under Linux
[04:05] <danbeam> anybody know where I'd be able to find a guide to developing native apps that integrate with Unity?
[04:05] <danbeam> or is there a different channel I should ask?
[04:05] <qin> dr_willis: Brutal logic.
[04:05] <katyl> does that mean no cube etc?
[04:05] <dr_willis> katyl:  with sis be happy it works at all
[04:05] <ActionParsnip> katyl: correct, that requires 3D accelleration
[04:06] <dr_willis> katyl:  sis it about the worse video maker out..
[04:06] <katyl> im happy it works! i just wanted to show other ppl and the effects help...
[04:07] <katyl> do you know how easy it is to upgrade the graphics card?
[04:07] <neo_> hello
[04:07] <neo_> can any one seemee
[04:07] <aeon-ltd> katyl: laptop?
[04:07] <wankdanker_> katyl: easy on desktop
[04:07] <katyl> desktop-acer (sa60)
[04:07] <aeon-ltd> wankdanker_: unless it's a 'nettop' for factor
[04:08] <wankdanker_> aeon-ltd: right on
[04:08] <dr_willis> katyl:  do a little research on what will fit also and the kind of card
[04:09] <dr_willis> agp, pcie so on..
[04:09] <aeon-ltd> katyl: easy, if you have a pci-e slot (99.99999999% you will) all you have to do is insert it, move the vga cable to the card and that's it. the only hard part is researching your pc's limit on power
[04:09] <JokesOnYou77> Hi all, how do I print the output of a command to a text file and suppress the output in the terminal? (the output is thousands of lines)
[04:10] <zykotick9> JokesOnYou77, using something like "ls > file.txt"
[04:10] <wankdanker_> do you guys feel that nvidia is the way to go? i haven't tried an amd card or whatever they used to be called in years
[04:11] <JokesOnYou77> zykotick9: That's exactly what I'm doing now: "ls -h -R -l /path/tofile > name.txt" but it floods the terminal window
[04:11] <aeon-ltd> wankdanker_: yes, until the drivers catch up; but i assume most amd/ati users dual boot to make the most of it
[04:11] <Naqut> Quick, hopefully easy question: How can I install 11.10 to a USB flash drive? (Not LiveUSB, but an actual installation)
[04:12] <aeon-ltd> !persustent | Naqut
[04:12] <TheCowboy> How do you add more walls to the desktop wall?
[04:12] <aeon-ltd> !persistent | NAQUT
[04:12] <wankdanker_> aeon-ltd: that's what i figured. didn't know if they had actually caught up yet. too bad.
[04:12] <zykotick9> JokesOnYou77, is the output you are seeing error messages?
[04:12] <katyl> how do i know if i have pci-e slot?
[04:13] <JokesOnYou77> Naqut: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/installing-ubuntu-to-a-usb-hard-drive/ You can basically install it exactly as you would to a normal hdd, just be careful not to overwrite your actual hard drives
[04:13] <katyl> e for expansion or express?
[04:13] <aeon-ltd> express
[04:13] <JokesOnYou77> zykotick9: no just a really massive amount of information.
[04:13] <Naqut> Doing the install in a VM with no HD, forwarding the usb device to the VM
[04:14] <JokesOnYou77> zykotick9: I also can't tell if my scrollback limits are cutting the output either
[04:14] <LinoSP> Naqut: I use the liveCD and  point GRUB to the USB flash drive  for that ;) (as a normal HDD)
[04:14] <Naqut> JokesOnYou77, I don't get the option on 11.10 to select the partitions
[04:14] <katyl> and if i dont have an express slot? the only ones a can see are pci 2.2 slots
[04:14] <zykotick9> JokesOnYou77, um, there is a variable i'm not seeing (thinking of) here.  When i use your command i get no output in my terminal.  Sorry i don't have an answer.  Good luck.
[04:17] <JokesOnYou77> zykotick9: really? but the text file has the listing?  I'm trying to map the permissions for files on a large shared system because the old sysadmin was really inconsistant in the way he set things up so I'm trying to see how far the file permission descrepancies go into individual user's directories
[04:17] <zykotick9> katyl, seem acer's page for your computer is at http://support.acer.com/acerpanam/desktop/0000/Acer/AspireSA60/AspireSA60sp2.shtml i have no idea what a VGA slot is, i'm guessing they meant AGP?
[04:18] <JokesOnYou77> Naqut: Really? What do you mean, slect the partitions?  That guide is real old...
[04:18] <urlin2u> TheCowboy, generally the compiz-configuration-manager is where you do this are you using the alt-tab to switch?
[04:18] <Naqut> Basically, it just comes up with a window with no partitions show, and the add/remove/edit etc. buttons are greyed
[04:19] <TheCowboy> urlin2u, I didn't see an option to add more walls, I'm using ctrl-alt and the arrow keys to slide between walls
[04:20] <zykotick9> JokesOnYou77, i'm testing with "ls -h -R -l /usr/ > test.txt" and no output to terminal, ended up with a 8.5M file
[04:21] <JokesOnYou77> zykotick9: You were right!  The output was errors for files I don't have permissions on.  Thank you :)
[04:21] <katyl> think vga is video graphics array
[04:22] <wankdanker_> yeah, it was before agp, me thinks
[04:22] <zykotick9> wankdanker_, before AGP was PCI
[04:22] <noonday> hi everyone, I really need dictionary programs (word translation from one lang to another)
[04:22] <zenrox> katyl, vga = video grafx adapter
[04:22] <urlin2u> TheCowboy, general-desktopsize the adding thigh may not be easy not sure sense with 4 it is a flat cube without the cube which is actually easy to setup, which can have lots of sizes
[04:22] <noonday> it' s like the one feature that makes me yearn for Windows
[04:22] <JokesOnYou77> Naqut: You can't select the device to install to?  I haven't done this with 11.10, I've only tried it with BackTrack5 and only had moderate success, but I have been able to start the process.  You may need to reformat the USB you want to use.  How big is it?
[04:22] <wankdanker_> zykotick9: right. beer.
[04:23] <Naqut> 16GB. No worries, I think I found a way to do it another wya
[04:23] <zykotick9> katyl, VGA is a port, not a slot - that page is just wrong...
[04:24] <JokesOnYou77> Naqut: Cool.  good luck
[04:24] <TheCowboy> urlin2u, didn't know about that, will give it a try, thank you
[04:24] <BentSpace> Since I did a fresh install of Ubuntu 11.10 on my Toshiba Satellite Laptop, I have been experiencing a lot of crashes, spontaneous log offs and spontaneous shut downs.  Any ideas what's cause it or how fix?  Didn't have this many problems with 11.04, though it did crash as well.  The spontaneous shut downs worry me a little cause that could damage something, right?
[04:24] <urlin2u> TheCowboy, no problem.
[04:24] <JokesOnYou77> Naqut: Actually, what way is that?  I've only had limited success doing this myself and alternatives wouls be appreciated lol
[04:26] <Naqut> basically, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[04:27] <boxbeatsy> hi, i'm trying to run the following line via command line 'echo "cd public_html\nmput -r /var/www/foldername" | ncftp -umy_un -pmy_pass domain.com > ftp.log 2>&1 &', but the only command being piped into ncftp is "cd ".  does anyone know what i'm doing wrong?
[04:27] <boxbeatsy> when i dont include '> ftp.log 2>&1 &' it works ifne
[04:27] <JokesOnYou77> Naqut: Ahh, yeah, I've been trying to get away from the persistent install because flash drives just cause so many disk errors, but it works really well most of the time
[04:28] <katyl> hey-thanks you're right that page is wrong i have got  an agp slot
[04:28] <zykotick9> katyl, that makes sense ;)
[04:29] <katyl> d:) can i get a new card easily then?
[04:29] <wankdanker_> do they still make agp cards?
[04:30] <i_is_broke> ebay
[04:30] <zenrox> craiglist
[04:30] <zenrox> screw ebay
[04:30] <katyl> what are the best cards to look for?
[04:30] <zenrox> any thang with more than 128mbs of ram
[04:30] <katyl> for pci or agp slot?
[04:31] <zenrox> agp
[04:31] <zenrox> and posabley nvidia or ati cards
[04:31] <zenrox> i would say nvidia
[04:31] <wankdanker_> nvidia++
[04:32] <zenrox> just cause i ant ever had a prob setting it up
[04:32] <Fraak87> hello
[04:32] <BentSpace> Is there any way to look at a log of what caused the spontaneous shut down?
[04:33] <katyl> so if i get a nvidia (or ati) card with an agi slot then everything should work ok?
[04:33] <katyl> (agp)
[04:33] <zenrox> if you have a agp slot yep that is what you want
[04:34] <katyl> would have to do anything funny with the power?
[04:34] <zykotick9> katyl, i won't recommend nvidia (non-free driver), BUT i'd recommend against ATI (also non-free)
[04:34] <LinoSP> Naqut: maybe this is what r you looking for   http://www.twm-kd.com/software/boot-virtualbox-machine-from-a-usb-flash-drive/
[04:34] <katyl> anything you would recommend?
[04:34] <thesheff17_> anyone know how to disable the shutdown when a battery is low?
[04:35] <zykotick9> katyl, nvidia over ati was my point ;)
[04:35] <wankdanker_> zykotick9: is that your phylisophical position?
[04:35] <urlin2u> thesheff17, what do you want to happen?
[04:35] <thesheff17_> I have a laptop with two batteries and when one reaches a low level it powers off the laptop even though the other battery is full.
[04:35] <zenrox> zykotick9,  you confized me
[04:35] <zenrox> be more clear
[04:35] <zenrox> lol
[04:35] <katyl> ahh d:) that makes more sense!
[04:35] <zykotick9> zenrox, nvidia over ati was my point ;)
[04:36] <katyl> would i take the other card out?
[04:36] <thesheff17_> urlin2u, any ideas? This is ubuntu 11.10
[04:36] <zenrox> zykotick9, i noticed that after i reread what you had type
[04:36] <zenrox> katyl, yes
[04:37] <thesheff17_> Might have to go back to 11.04 until this is fixed
[04:37] <katyl> so then the power usage would be about the same?
[04:37] <zenrox> ya
[04:37] <urlin2u> thesheff17, not really I only have one battery, there probably is a way though, just make sure your clear when you explain what you need.
[04:37] <thesheff17_> sure will do
[04:38] <katyl> cool ill get hunting- any suggestions of where to look other than ebay?
[04:38] <zenrox> tigerdirect.com / newegg.com
[04:38] <zykotick9> katyl, you're getting a bit offtopic with that question ;)
[04:38] <BentSpace> Can anyone hear me?  Using Xchat for first time, not sure if I got it set up right.
[04:38] <zykotick9> BentSpace, nope ;)
[04:38] <zenrox> BentSpace, tast passed
[04:39] <urlin2u> BentSpace, we see you what else do you need?
[04:39] <wankdanker_> BentSpace: you are very quiet, please turn up the gain
[04:39] <Fraak87> anyone know what the deal with the unity bar in 11.10 is? Mine acts ghetto, will not pop up when I goto the top right like it did in 11.04.. Does some other werid stuff can not remember..
[04:40] <BentSpace> wankdanker_,  HOW ABOUT NOW?
[04:40] <urlin2u> Fraak87, you can change the activation in the unity-plugin in compiz-configuration-manager
[04:40] <wankdanker_> BentSpace: lol. perfect!
[04:40] <pruebaefectos> jahshaka anyone knows the program and how I can download?
[04:40] <urlin2u> BentSpace, and turn off your web caM. :d
[04:40] <Fraak87> is that a GUI thing, or something done in command line..? Sorry, new to Linux.
[04:41] <boxbeatsy> hi, i'm trying to run the following line via command line 'echo "cd public_html\nmput -r /var/www/foldername" | ncftp -umy_un -pmy_pass domain.com > ftp.log 2>&1 &', but the only command being piped into ncftp is "cd ".  does anyone know what i'm doing wrong?
[04:41] <norway> ok i can access my windows network when i switch to ubuntu classic why cant i in 11.10 an how do you change your workgroup?  please help ty in advance
[04:41] <urlin2u> Fraak87, the compiz-configuration-manager is s gui that adjusts the window manager you need to install it.
[04:42] <urlin2u> s=a*
[04:42] <Fraak87> ahh. so apt-get install compiz-configuration-manager? thanks! I'll try that.
[04:42] <katyl> ha cheeky! anyway just one more non technically ubuntu thing to say then...
[04:42] <pruebaefectos> hi all
[04:43] <katyl> thanks for your help!
[04:43] <pruebaefectos> jahshaka anyone knows the program and how I can download?
[04:43] <urlin2u> Fraak87, apt-get install compiz-configuration-manager
[04:43] <urlin2u> Fraak87, inside is te unity-plugin I am assuming that you need to adjust the trigger point.
[04:43] <pruebaefectos> jahshaka anyone knows the program and how I can download?
[04:43] <Fraak87> ok. thanks.
[04:43] <HypothesisFrog> is there an ubuntu tablet version?
[04:44] <zykotick9> urlin2u, is that something different then compizconfig-settings-manager (ccsm)?
[04:44] <zykotick9> !repeat | pruebaefectos
[04:45] <urlin2u> zykotick9, no I wasn't sure if ccsm in the terminal brings that up, I went to precise.
[04:45] <bottiger> Is it possible to install gcc-4.3 on 11.10 ?
[04:45] <bottiger> and if yes - how?
[04:45] <BentSpace> How to find out what causes a crash?
[04:46] <pruebaefectos> jahshaka anyone knows the program and how I can download?
[04:46] <urlin2u> zykotick9, I'm running on debian right now i could not check exactly.
[04:46] <norway> zyko you always here please help ok i can access my windows network when i switch to ubuntu classic why cant i in 11.10 an how do you change your workgroup?  please help ty in advance
[04:46] <zykotick9> urlin2u, it's the same name in debian?
[04:47] <urlin2u> zykotick9, yeah your right, hehe I jus automatically install it without thinking.
[04:47] <zykotick9> norway, if that was to me - you're asking the wrong person.  I don't help with windows (in this case Samba) issues.  Good luck.
[04:47] <urlin2u> Fraak87, you get that apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[04:48] <norway> k thanx
[04:48] <Flynn> I'm using ubuntu 10.10 desktop.  I'm trying to install a driver for my network card using "additional drivers."   It keeps giving me error "SystemError: installArchives() failed."
[04:49] <bobweaver> Flynn, what is the driver ?
[04:49] <Flynn> bobweaver, broadcom sta wireless driver
[04:50] <bobweaver> Flynn,  could we see a lspci -nn | grep 14e4
[04:50] <BentSpace> I thought linux was supposed to be way stable, what's with all the crashing?
[04:50] <bobweaver> Flynn, please open terminal and enter
[04:50] <noisewaterphd> BentSpace: user error?
[04:51] <zykotick9> BentSpace, ubuntu is not about stability - it's about cutting edge features ;)
[04:51] <bobweaver> Flynn, lspci -nn | grep 14e4
[04:51] <noisewaterphd> BentSpace: at least I know I usually cause my own problems
[04:51] <smw_> BentSpace, linux, the kernel, is stable.
[04:51] <urlin2u> BentSpace, it has always been for me maybe your setup=hardware or the install is broken,or you have tweaked something.
[04:51] <noisewaterphd> BentSpace: certain hardware can cause problems too
[04:51] <pnorman> Hardware problems suck.
[04:52] <Flynn> bobweaver, 01:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY [14e4:4315] (rev 01)
[04:52] <urlin2u> BentSpace, running a memory test from a live cd would be my first choice.
[04:53] <bobweaver> Flynn,  greaat job thanks
[04:53] <Flynn> bobweaver, ??
[04:54] <bobweaver> Flynn, I am putting togeather script for you
[04:55] <bobweaver> Flynn,  do you see the part that says                " LP-PHY [14e4:4315]"
[04:55] <Flynn> bobweaver, yeah.
[04:56] <bobweaver> Flynn, LP-PHY means that it is a low power card
[04:56] <bobweaver> Flynn, [14e4:4315] is model number
[04:56] <Flynn> bobweaver, ok that makes sense its a cheap netboook.
[04:57] <bobweaver> Flynn, so we look at this page    http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43
[04:57] <boxbeatsy> hi, i'm trying to run the following line via command line 'echo "cd public_html\nmput -r /var/www/foldername" | ncftp -umy_un -pmy_pass domain.com > ftp.log 2>&1 &', but the only command being piped into ncftp is "cd ".  does anyone know what's wrong with that command?
[04:57] <bobweaver> Flynn, 14e4:4315
[04:57] <bobweaver>
[04:57] <bobweaver> yes (2.6.33+)
[04:57] <zykotick9> boxbeatsy, as you've asked without an answer several times, i'd suggest asking in #bash - they'll probably know
[04:57] <bobweaver> Flynn,  in terminal   -> uname -a
[04:58] <s0nee> how do i determine which version of kernel is running ?
[04:58] <boxbeatsy> zykotick9: ok thanks!
[04:58] <zykotick9> s0nee, uname -r
[04:58] <pruebaefectos> jahshaka anyone knows the program and how I can download?
[04:58] <somsip> boxbeatsy: you tried using backticks instead of double quotes?
[04:58] <s0nee> zykotick9: works. thanks
[04:59] <Flynn> bobweaver, -: command not found
[04:59] <somsip> boxbeatsy: actually, shouldn't that be cp rather than cd?
[04:59] <bobweaver> Oo
[04:59] <bobweaver> Flynn,  uname -a
[05:00] <pruebaefectos> alguien conoce el  programa jahshaka ?
[05:00] <pruebaefectos> jahshaka anyone knows the program and how I can download?
[05:00] <Flynn> bobweaver, my bad.  linux ubuntu 2.6.35-30-generic #61-Ubuntu SMP Tue Oct 11 15:29:15 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
[05:00] <bobweaver> Sweet Flynn
[05:01] <Toidi> Is it possible to make the menu bar not collapse/hide or be always on top?
[05:01] <bobweaver> Flynn, sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter firmware-b43-lpphy-installer bcmwl-kernel-source
[05:02] <Fraak87> Anyone know about using VNC on ubuntu 10.10? I can sometimes get remote connections to work, and sometimes not. Fairly randomly by unchecking and checking the boxes under remote connection under settings... Searched the net, no real answers. Tried port forwarding the router, same exact results.
[05:02] <Fraak87> sorry, 11.10
[05:02] <Toidi> Oddly enough if I click on a menu item with an app on top it still accepts the input on the menu without showing me the actual menu
[05:03] <bobweaver> Flynn, also could we all see these commands
[05:04] <BentSpace> urlin2u, I ran a memory test before install and it passed.
[05:04] <bobweaver> Flynn,  rfkill list all ;lsmod ;
[05:04] <bobweaver> !pastebin | Flynn
[05:05] <NoTurnoH20> OPS
[05:05] <BentSpace> Does selecting encrypted home folder ever cause problems?
[05:06] <Flynn> bobweaver its still working last command
[05:06] <bobweaver> Flynn,  cool
[05:07] <jaysern> i'm on oneiric 11.10. Does apache2 handle php straight out of the box?
[05:07] <TheCowboy> BentSpace, if you tried 11.10 and really want to emphasize stability, you could go with 11.04
[05:07] <pnorman> BentSpace: I imagine it could make recovery more difficult, but I've not tried it myself
[05:07] <jaysern> apache2 tries to serve me up php files as a download application/x-httpd-php
[05:08] <bobweaver> Flynn,  you can open a new tab in the terminal by right clicking  it or the keys Shift+ctrl+t
[05:08] <pnorman> !lamp | jaysern
[05:09] <Flynn> bobweaver, ok you want to see all that?
[05:09] <venluckey> need help, lost sound in xubuntu 10.04
[05:09] <BentSpace> Cause System Monitor doesn't seem to recognize my encrypted swap space
[05:09] <bobweaver> Flynn,  Yes but PLEASE use   paste.ubuntu.com
[05:10]  * phlak_user is standing by
[05:10] <BentSpace> Says I'm using 0 bytes of 0 bytes.
[05:10] <venluckey> anyone got ideas to fix sound?
[05:10] <flknefw> hey
[05:11] <phlak_user> !details | venluckey
[05:11] <flknefw> can i burn a macintosh disk image via linux?
[05:11] <aeon-ltd> venluckey: go to a terminal, type alsamixer
[05:11] <Flynn> http://paste.ubuntu.com/726967/
[05:11] <bobweaver> Flynn,  You are a ROCK STAR !!!
[05:12] <phlak_user> flknefw, sure, if its a raw image then you can just use a cd burner like brasero
[05:12] <flknefw> its a .dmg file
[05:12] <Flynn> bobweaver,  please don't patronize me.
[05:12] <bobweaver> Flynn,  sudo rmmod wl
[05:12] <venluckey> Hello I have xubuntu 10.04m Running on Dell 910, I have no sound and are updated.
[05:13] <flknefw> basically im trying to put osx back onto my macbook pro so i can make it a dual boot
[05:13] <venluckey> all sound bars are up, none muted
[05:13] <bobweaver> Flynn,  that is not my intentions
[05:13] <bobweaver> Flynn,  sudo modprobe b43
[05:14] <aeon-ltd> venluckey: did you recently use headphones?
[05:14] <bottiger> Is it possible to install gcc-4.3 on 11.10 ?
[05:14] <venluckey> nope
[05:14] <flknefw> so if i use brasero to burn a dmg file it will be bootable via mac?
[05:14] <Flynn> bobweaver,  ok
[05:14] <aeon-ltd> venluckey: tried multiple sources?
[05:14] <zykotick9> flknefw, i don't think you'll be successful in burning that dmg - good luck though
[05:14] <flknefw> why do you say that zyk?
[05:14] <bobweaver> Flynn, lsmod again please
[05:15] <bobweaver> Flynn, and rfkill list all
[05:15] <khem_> if I want to install Ubuntu but have a previous installation (archlinux), with ecryptfs for my /home folders, will ecryptfs work out of the box if I just keep that partition and dont reformat it?
[05:15] <zykotick9> flknefw, it's not a linux native format - my googling just turned up converting to ISOs (i certainly could be wrong)
[05:15] <venluckey> Yes, tied the realtek card, the alsa
[05:15] <flknefw> i dont want it to be an iso
[05:15] <flknefw> im using a macbook
[05:16] <zykotick9> flknefw, ya, i know - thus my origional statement ;)
[05:16] <flknefw> i paid 30 bucks for a osx 10.6.3 cd that doesnt even work because of firmware so i downloaded a newer version of osx
[05:16] <aeon-ltd> venluckey: i meant sources of sound, youtube, local media player, non-flash streams
[05:17] <flknefw> so you are saying brasero does NOT burn .dmg files like the other guy said?
[05:17] <BentSpace> Is it unity that causes stability problems?
[05:17] <zykotick9> flknefw, try and see
[05:18] <venluckey> no sound local, no sound in youtube, no sound in flash
[05:18] <zykotick9> BentSpace, unity has a lot of issues... but could be other things as well
[05:18] <Flynn> bobweaver, http://paste.ubuntu.com/726970/
[05:18] <aeon-ltd> venluckey: got another device that can test the speakers?
[05:19] <venluckey> speakers built tinto they laptop
[05:19] <bobweaver> Flynn,  rfkill list all
[05:19] <bobweaver> Flynn, just tell me if all no or all yes
[05:19] <zykotick9> flknefw, this poster converted to iso to burn with brasero http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=926410
[05:19] <aeon-ltd> venluckey: dualbooting?
[05:19] <KaosMcRage> hey all, on 64-bit Oneiric, I'm noticing some packages require a ton of dependencies with ":i386" after the package name - is this new in 11.10? I don't recall that in 11.04 and below.
[05:20] <appi_uppi> how to convert from text file to csv format?
[05:20] <Novae> does anyone know how to maximize a window over multiple monitors under openbox?
[05:20] <zykotick9> KaosMcRage, it's new - multiarch, it's from debian
[05:20] <venluckey> nope stright boot into xubunto 10.04
[05:20] <flknefw> i dont think its going to be bootable on a mac if its an ISO
[05:20] <aeon-ltd> venluckey: when was the last time it worked?
[05:20] <zykotick9> flknefw, me neither
[05:20] <KaosMcRage> zykotick9: okay, thanks - wasn't sure if I should install all those, smelled like conflict city to me
[05:20] <venluckey> about 1 week ago
[05:21] <flknefw> i wish companies would just hurry up and write everything to be compatible with linux
[05:21] <flknefw> i refuse to use crappy microsoft
[05:21] <Flynn> bobweaver, all no
[05:21] <zykotick9> KaosMcRage, actually, i saw an issue with multiarch last night in this channel (i was very disappointed)
[05:21] <bobweaver> Flynn,  you got wireless ?
[05:21] <venluckey> last time i rember i had to add something to a file that is read at boot up
[05:21] <Flynn> bobweaver, yes.
[05:21] <aeon-ltd> venluckey: what was it? were you following a guide?
[05:22] <flknefw> kinda says something when you're using a $2800 macbook pro with ONLY linux on it
[05:22] <bobweaver> Flynn, \0/
[05:22] <zykotick9> flknefw, microsoft is crappy, but apple is ok - i don't see a difference there ;)
[05:22] <escx> hiya all
[05:22] <KaosMcRage> zykotick9: :(
[05:22] <venluckey> yeah, but unable to find it again, i had to reinstall
[05:22] <Flynn> bobweaver, ??
[05:22] <windparadise> hello, pls which apache module is responsible for enabling subdomains, ?
[05:23] <_sivanov> i just installed 11.10 on intel fakeRAID, however, the computer does not boot (GRUB does not boot), do i need to install GRUB manually?
[05:23] <escx> Updated from 11.04 to 11.10, but still old kernel 2.8.36, cannot update to kernel 3.0, anybody have hints?
[05:23] <Flynn> bobweaver, additional driver applet froze on me though
[05:23] <aeon-ltd> venluckey: reinstall completely?
[05:23] <flknefw> zyk
[05:24] <flknefw> if i just use a command line in the terminal to burn a dmg file to output optical device as a dmg will it do it?
[05:24] <venluckey> yes, fresh install, now sound dont work, but i have 2 sound icons on top bar
[05:24] <bobweaver> oh flynn interminal       ps aux | grep jockey-gtk
[05:24] <bobweaver> oh flynn in terminal       ps aux | grep jockey-gtk
[05:24] <aeon-ltd> venluckey: is this the first boot?
[05:24] <jaysern> thanks pnorman.
[05:24] <venluckey> nope had it up and down for about a week
[05:24] <zykotick9> flknefw, i doubt it - it's not a gnu/linux native format, period.
[05:24] <bobweaver> Flynn,  what is the PID # ?
[05:24] <venluckey> like the 25th boot
[05:25] <escx> hello, how can i update from old kernel 2.8.36 to 3.0 in 11.10 ??
[05:25] <flknefw> i have a feeling its gonna be one of those nights i burn 30 dvds that are entirely useless.. fml
[05:25] <venluckey> i think what i need to do is start from square one
[05:25] <zykotick9> flknefw, probably... i'm afraid.
[05:26] <flknefw> youve never heard of any MAC Disk Utility for linux?
[05:26] <zykotick9> flknefw, have a friend with an apple?
[05:26] <flknefw> no man
[05:26] <flknefw> noone i know has an apple
[05:26] <aeon-ltd> venluckey: maybe, tried reinstalling alsa and pulseaudio?
[05:26] <flknefw> everyone has a pc..
[05:26] <venluckey> can do, hold on
[05:26] <flknefw> im the only one i know who even uses Linux
[05:26]  * zykotick9 thinks flknefw must have smart friends ;)
[05:26] <Flynn> bobweaver, http://paste.ubuntu.com/726974/
[05:26] <flknefw> smart.. or BROKE
[05:27] <bobweaver> Flynn,  sudo kill 1641
[05:27] <flknefw> i only have this for the hardware.. its definitly a nice laptop
[05:27] <flknefw> but apple really loves to annoy customers by messing up firmware
[05:28] <Flynn> bobweaver, thank you
[05:28] <bobweaver> Flynn,  you did great
[05:28] <bobweaver> Flynn,  you are using what ubuntu ?
[05:28] <flknefw> and from what ive been reading there is no way i can update my firmware via linux so i can just use an older version of osx
[05:28] <Flynn> bobweaver, 10.10
[05:29] <bobweaver> Flynn,  one more thing
[05:29] <bobweaver> Flynn,  sudo -i     then       echo b43 >> /etc/modules/               then         exit
[05:30] <linuxuz3r> when i click on the folder on my desktop all the folders that is opened suddenly closes
[05:30] <linuxuz3r> does anyone knows why
[05:31]  * KaosMcRage hates Unity.
[05:31] <zykotick9> linuxuz3r, not really an answer, but the explanation is Nautilus is crashing.  Why, I have no idea, would require a crystal ball.
[05:31] <flknefw> alright check this... if i cant create a bootable cd via linux with dmg files
[05:32] <flknefw> can i convert the dmg to an img to iso and install osx from WITHIN linux?
[05:32] <venluckey> brb, need reboot
[05:32] <linuxuz3r> upgrading my stuff
[05:32] <bobweaver>   O_o
[05:32] <bobweaver> !wodim
[05:35] <Flynn> got disconnected somehow
[05:36] <bobweaver> Flynn,  sudo -i     then       echo b43 >> /etc/modules/               then         exit
[05:37] <bobweaver> Flynn,  then reboot
[05:37] <judh> three broken packages on my system
[05:37] <bobweaver> judh,  what are the packages ?
[05:38] <judh> use broken filter to locate them ?
[05:38] <zykotick9> judh, from command line "sudo apt-get -f install" to try to auto-fix them
[05:38] <judh> leme try
[05:38] <judh> thanks for the suggestion
[05:39] <venluckey> ok, so reboot, no sound still, aplay -l shows i have the sound card
[05:39] <Flynn> bobweaver, OK thanx again, bye.
[05:39] <flknefw> can i rip a macintosh dvd to linux?
[05:39] <judh> Errors were encountered while processing:  /var/cache/apt/archives/tzdata_2011n-0ubuntu0.10.04_all.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[05:40] <judh> Errors were encountered while processing:  /var/cache/apt/archives/tzdata_2011n-0ubuntu0.10.04_all.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[05:40] <zykotick9> judh, try "sudo apt-get update" first
[05:40] <khem_> if I want to install Ubuntu but have a previous installation (archlinux), with ecryptfs for my /home folders, will ecryptfs work out of the box if I just keep that partition and dont reformat it?
[05:40] <ActionParsnip> judh: and also run:  sudo apt-get clean
[05:41] <bobweaver> venluckey,  please open terminal and enter   lspci  -nn     and paste for us to see please
[05:41] <zykotick9> khem_, FYI mixing your home folder settings from Arch "could" cause issues.
[05:41] <ActionParsnip> khem_: you will need to mess around with the encryptfs some. I only knw that. I don't use encryptfs, too many headaches
[05:41] <zykotick9> ActionParsnip, well said
[05:41] <venluckey> 0:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Memory Controller Hub [8086:27ac] (rev 03)
[05:42] <venluckey> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:27ae] (rev 03)
[05:42] <venluckey> 00:02.1 Display controller [0380]: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:27a6] (rev 03)
[05:42] <venluckey> 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller [8086:27d8] (rev 02)
[05:42] <FloodBot1> venluckey: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.