[00:01] <woody86> bdmurray-  ok, thanks :)
[00:03] <woody86> bdmurray-  could you mark it as 'Wishlist' for me?
[00:04] <crimsun> i already did
[00:04] <woody86> ok, thx :)
[00:12] <woody86> since you guys are on a roll, can someone mark this as a ''Wishlist" too? And do you think my comment is ok? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/315257
[00:15] <woody86> ok, nvm my comment. It was longer until I accidentally clicked away from the page and lost it
[00:27] <woody86> could someone mark this one as 'wishlist' too? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus-cd-burner/+bug/315179
[00:35] <Rocket2DMn> woody86, done
[00:38] <woody86> tyvm Rocket2DMn :)
[00:38] <Rocket2DMn> np
[00:39] <woody86> ok, I'll try to stop bugging all you guys now :)
[00:41] <Lupine> One of my bugs was marked as duplicate, and pointed me to here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/280675
[00:41] <Lupine> however...upon visiting that page, I get:  Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page.
[00:41] <Lupine> lol...kind of like that ubottu message :-)
[00:41] <Lupine> how can I monitor/subscribe to this bug?
[00:44] <hggdh> Lupine, try again, please
[00:45] <Lupine> :) you're like a magician or something
[00:45] <Lupine> ty
[00:45] <hggdh> welcome. And, no, I am not a magician. I looked up for private data, could not see any, and unset the private status
[00:46] <hggdh> it is not really correct to set as duplicate to a private bug...
[00:46]  * hggdh thinks it is not kosher, that is
[00:47] <Lupine> yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking, but I guess the guy just made a little mistake
[00:47] <Lupine> thanks for correcting
[01:08] <tcole> hm
[01:08] <tcole> so I've got a kernel bug which I'm not entirely sure should go upstream to the kernel proper or not
[01:08] <tcole> it's kind of related to changes we've made on our side
[01:12] <Rocket2DMn> tcole, have you filed in on Launchpad yet?
[01:12] <tcole> oh yes
[01:12] <tcole> I've got a patch attached and everything
[01:12] <tcole> actually it was an existing bug that I was looking into
[01:13] <tcole> bug #300143
[01:13] <Rocket2DMn> do you have a link ?
[01:14] <Rocket2DMn> eh old school kernel hacker here eh
[01:15] <tcole> er, no, actually
[01:15] <tcole> just an old school hacker who can usually find his way around a source tree pretty quickly
[01:15] <Rocket2DMn> cool, did you just want us to finish the triage on the bug?
[01:16] <tcole> I guess so; I'm a little fuzzy on what the next steps would be in this particular case
[01:16] <Rocket2DMn> we dont assign bugs to the kernel team anymore, but i can finish the triage on it to grab their attention
[01:16] <tcole> ah, ok
[01:17] <tcole> yes, please
[01:18] <Rocket2DMn> alright, done
[01:18] <tcole> awesome, thanks
[01:18] <Rocket2DMn> no problem, thank you for looking into it
[01:45] <askand> Hi, Why is bug 313502 invalid? Is there another report like that I can comment on or should I start a new?
[01:48] <Ryan52> Thank you for taking the time to report this bug and helping to make Ubuntu better. However, your crash report is either missing or challenging to deal with as a '.crash' file. Please follow these instructions to have apport report a new bug about your crash that can be dealt with by the automatic retracer.
[01:49] <Ryan52> that's why it's invalid.
[01:49] <crimsun> askand: because there wasn't enough information to debug. i've reset it to New.
[01:49] <Ryan52> gah. crimsun fixed it before I could finish what I was saying :p
[01:50] <askand> haha thanks :)
[01:50] <crimsun> askand: a little-known hint: check the activity log
[01:50] <crimsun> you'll be able to more easily correlate why certain Statuses are set
[01:50] <ashbringer> Should I file a bug against vrms for finding packages non-free under the DFSG? I don't know how mainline Ubuntu aligns itself, but I do remember that when Gobuntu was alive, it followed FSF guidelines and there was some talk of patching vrms to take off the non-DFSG-free packages.
[01:50] <askand> ah nice tips, wasnt aware of that
[01:50] <crimsun> ashbringer: yes
[01:51] <ashbringer> crimsun: Separate bug per misidentified package or one bug for all of them?
[01:52]  * nhandler notes that there is a greasemonkey script that displays the activity log data on the comment page
[01:52] <crimsun> ashbringer: well, i may have misunderstood the original question. would you clarify "finding packages non-free under the DFSG?"
[01:53] <crimsun> nhandler: needs fixing. the correlation between person triaging and the activity is sometimes very wrong
[01:53] <crimsun> not to mention it doesn't handle localtime, etc., but i don't mind it so much, since i just read the activity log regardless
[01:53] <nhandler> crimsun: I've noticed. But it does still come in handy. Although my favorite is the one that shows the teams/karma next to a person ;)
[01:54] <ashbringer> crimsun: The DFSG applies the Four Freedoms to all works, including non-functional ones like media, icons, documentation, and the like. The FSF holds that there is a difference between functional (software) and non-functional (media, icons, documentation) works. So, the package gdb-doc, for instance, is non-free because it includes a back-cover text which (afaik) cannot be modified or removed.
[01:54] <ashbringer> As well as invariant sections, which cannot be modified or removed.
[01:55] <crimsun> ashbringer: from the Description, "In some cases, the opinions of Richard M. Stallman and the Debian project have diverged since this program was originally written.  In such cases, this program follows the Debian Free Software Guidelines."
[01:55] <ashbringer> But Ubuntu follows (or followed) the FSF guidelines. Does that not overrule the Description?
[01:58] <crimsun> ashbringer: gdb-doc is in main, so yes, the Description needs to be clarified
[01:59] <ashbringer> So would it be helpful to file bug reports for vrms against packages that are FSF-free, but not DFSG-free? Or would it only be helpful to file bug reports for packages labeled non-free which are in main?
[02:00] <crimsun> ashbringer: i would follow the main/universe/multiverse redistributability guidelines
[02:02] <ashbringer> Meaning what in terms of this?
[02:03] <crimsun> ashbringer: vrms needs to be aligned with current archive acceptance standards
[02:04] <ashbringer> So it should only report packages as non-free if they're in restricted?
[02:04] <crimsun> ashbringer: in terms of your original question, it would be filing a bug against vrms to honour restricted / multiverse as opposed to main / universe
[02:05] <ashbringer> So then, I should file bugs against packages vrms flags as non-free if the package is in main / universe. Should I file one bug per package or do it all in a big bug and update that as I find new violations?
[02:06] <crimsun> ashbringer: how would filing bugs against those source packages help?
[02:06] <crimsun> ("those" vice vrms)
[02:06] <ashbringer> No, one bug against vrms per package.
[02:07] <crimsun> err, i would just file one bug against vrms and use the Description as a whiteboard of sorts
[02:07] <ashbringer> Meaning what exactly?
[02:07] <ashbringer> (Sorry for all the questions, I'm a bit of a noob and don't want to make too big of a mistake.)
[02:08] <crimsun> file a bug affecting vrms. in the Description, list the names of the sources packages that vrms flags incorrectly.
[02:09] <ashbringer> Alright. I'll do that. thanks for your help.
[02:55] <ziroday> Can I have bug #315316 marked as wishlist please
[02:59] <nellery> ziroday: done
[03:01] <ziroday> nellery: thanks!
[03:08] <andresmujica> one q about the coming global bug jam
[03:13] <MTecknology> It's insave to think their's 7,260 bugs in Ubuntu that can expire....
[03:16] <crimsun> there are many tens of thousands more
[03:31] <MTecknology> I wonder if Ubuntu will ever have less than 10,000 open bugs against it?
[03:31] <MTecknology> that'd be pretty cool
[03:35] <nhandler> MTecknology: Who knows, we might accomplish that with the Global Bug Jam. Anyone remember the numbers from the last one?
[03:36] <MTecknology> It's sad how many bs bugs there are - I'm still trying to learn how to triage
[03:41] <andresmujica> i've just seen 896 bugs jammed
[03:42] <andresmujica> err
[03:42] <andresmujica> 862
[03:42] <andresmujica> http://blog.grossmeier.net/2008/08/11/last-post-about-the-gbj/
[03:44] <direw0lf> Could someone set bug #315257 to wishlist? It looks like someone wrote it would be put on wishlist 3 hours ago, but it is still at undecided importance. Thanks!
[03:44] <MTecknology> If I could, I would :(
[03:47] <Hobbsee> direw0lf: i think that's a real bug.
[03:47] <Hobbsee> a design issue, yes.
[03:49] <Hobbsee> but not a wishlist bug.
[03:53] <andresmujica> shouldn't we open tickets at bug tracking software websites, so they learn about the bug plugin API ? http://news.launchpad.net/cool-new-stuff/announcing-the-launchpad-plugin-api-spec
[04:31]  * MTecknology hugs Hobbsee
[04:35] <MTecknology> I'm trying to triage but I keep hitting on bugs that just need an invalid state...
[04:58] <persia> MTecknology, That too is helpful :)
[05:00] <direw0lf> Is there a mentoring program for bugsquad? I find times when I think I know how to triage a bug, but would like to have somebody "watch over my shoulder," so to speak.
[05:01] <MTecknology> persia: I kinda wanna run through every one of the bugs that are ready to expire and ask if it's still an issue...
[05:01] <MTecknology> direw0lf: I've been shooting for the same thing a few times. I use this channel for that
[05:02] <direw0lf> I put questions in the channel, too...just hate to add to the IRC noise for everyone by asking my own nagging questions. :)
[05:02] <MTecknology> persia: You ever get upset with people asking to make sure they're doing the right things with a bug?
[05:05] <persia> Not here.  I get annoyed sometimes when people ask if a change was correct in a bug comment.
[05:05] <persia> I also get annoyed when someone asks "Does this still happen" to a bug that's trivially reproducible, and it's my bug, and I have to say "Yes".
[05:06] <persia> direw0lf, Please, ask away.  That's why we have this channel.
[05:12] <direw0lf> Thanks.  I've used Linux for years, and started my career doing tech support, but this is the first time I've combined the two, so I'm sure I will make some clumsy n00b mistakes.
[05:12] <MTecknology> direw0lf: They probably won't be as bas as mine ;) - This helps a lot though - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage
[05:13] <direw0lf> MTecknology: I have a permanent Firefox window open on that page. :)
[05:14] <MTecknology> lol
[05:15] <direw0lf> The bug how-tos are excellent
[06:20] <thekorn> good morning
[06:30] <dholbach> good morning
[06:38] <thekorn> morgen dholbach
[06:38] <dholbach> hiya thekorn
[09:40] <tawmas> Hi, I'm trying to obtain a backtrace for bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/315373 and I need some guidance. Also, apport kicked in while I was reproducing the bug, and I'd like to know if there's a way to attach that report to the bug.
[09:43] <persia> tawmas, Did apport not give you the option of submitting a bug?
[09:43] <persia> One strategy is to submit the apport bug, mark it as a dupe, and then leave a comment in the master saying "recent apport trace available from bug #nnnnnn"
[09:43] <persia> That's probably easier than trying to get the trace manually.
[09:43] <tawmas> persia, It did
[09:43] <tawmas> persia, Ok, I'll do that way
[09:44] <tawmas> persia, btw, I was lost on installing the debuggins symbols for nautilus. The wiki page I was directed to lacks directions for Jaunty
[09:45] <persia> tawmas, Which page?
[09:46] <tawmas> persia, was directed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash, which links here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace
[09:46] <persia> Oh, just replace "intrepid" with "jaunty" if you're running jaunty.
[09:47] <tawmas> persia, Ok, thought so, but I saw I have nautilus-dbg installed and wondered if it was the same
[09:47] <persia> Bah.  My browser crashed trying to edit that.  Could you put a note on DebuggingProgramCrash to avoid confusion in the future?
[09:48] <tawmas> persia, Don't know if I have permissions to, let me try
[09:49] <tawmas> persia, it says "Immutable Page"
[09:49] <tawmas> persia, btw, apport just timed out while uploading the report
[09:49] <persia> Immunatble page?  I'll try again then.
[09:51] <persia> tawmas, Worked for me.  Dunno why.  Is that change less confusing, or should I be more explicit?
[09:51] <tawmas> persia, what did you change?
[09:52] <persia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash?action=diff&rev2=65&rev1=64
[09:53] <tawmas> persia, I'd prefer something more explicit
[09:54] <persia> OK.
[09:57] <persia> tawmas, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash?action=diff&rev2=66&rev1=64 is closer?
[09:57] <tawmas> persia: That looks perfect, thanks!
[09:58] <tawmas> persia, btw, I got the debug symbols installed. Do I get it right that I need to attach to the running nautilus?
[10:00] <persia> tawmas: If you're using the gdb method, yes.
[10:01] <persia> Personally, I just use apport.
[10:01] <persia> Even when I don't submit a bug, I find it's easier to use apport-retrace against the .crash report than to use gdb.
[10:01] <tawmas> I used gdb because apport timed out
[10:01] <persia> But maybe that's just because I don't like gdb that much.
[10:01] <persia> apport timed out at which stage?  Saving the crash file, or submitting the bug?
[10:02] <tawmas> Submitting
[10:03] <persia> Check /var/crash
[10:03] <persia> In there you should have a crash file.
[10:03] <tawmas> do'h
[10:03] <persia> Try running apport-retrace against that crash file.
[10:03] <tawmas> Well, at least I learned how to obtain a backtrace with gdb :-)
[10:03] <persia> You'll have to read the man page: by default it seems to like to get the files from launchpad bugs, but it can work locally.
[10:06] <tawmas> persia, will look into that. Thanks for your help. I've added the backtrace I got with gdb
[10:06] <BUGabundo> good mornign
[10:07] <BUGabundo> is anyone seeing new bugs about ssh keys?
[10:07] <BUGabundo> maybe gnome-keyring (<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1) ?
[10:09] <BUGabundo_work> my ssh key got renamed some how today, and I couldn't access bzr.lp
[10:20] <BUGabundo> filed here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-keyring/+bug/315398
[10:23] <seb128> BUGabundo_work: could you open that bug to bugzilla.gnome.org?
[10:25] <seb128> BUGabundo_work: I don't confirm the bug for what is worth and I doubt we will get a pertinent reply on launchpad since there is no gnome-keyring hacker there
[10:48] <BUGabundo_work> seb128: okay
[10:48] <BUGabundo_work> let me look for my login for gnome BTS
[11:10] <Nickname> Hey all, i signed up with bugsquad just today. ------ I'm looking at starting off on assigning packages. Anyone have tips on finding the correct package related to the bug discription?
[11:11] <Hobbsee> apt-cache search <terms> will often help find the binary it's for (or it'll be obvious by the report)
[11:11] <Hobbsee> you can use apt-cache madison <packagename> to get the source name of the package, and assign it there.
[11:12] <Nickname> Sweet advise Hobbsee, thanks for the help
[11:12] <Hobbsee> you're welcome
[12:56] <Laibsch> Hi,
[12:56] <Laibsch> Can somebody please upload my patch from bug 254228 to intrepid-proposed?  It fixes a quite serious error in sqlite3
[13:02] <pedro_> Laibsch: try asking on #ubuntu-devel
[13:03] <Laibsch> OK, thanks
[13:04] <pedro_> np
[13:04] <Laibsch> but isn't that about Jaunty?
[13:04] <Laibsch> well, let's give it a try
[17:09] <tjcertified> hello
[17:11] <MrKanister> hello tjcertified
[21:00] <torkiano> Is correct mark bug 214439 as triaged? Anyone can do it?
[22:15] <MTecknology> So - I want to do a little triaging - but I keep having a hard time getting going on it
[22:15] <MTecknology> It seems I lose my ability to debug when I have a working system
[22:16] <bdmurray> MTecknology: What do you mean?
[22:17] <MTecknology> My system is working 100% on 9.04. I can't find any bugs and I can't find any bugs I have any experience in
[22:17] <MTecknology> I want to help though
[22:19] <bdmurray> You could look at testing some applications maybe?
[22:19] <bdmurray> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases
[22:29] <MTecknology> hrm - I never setup printing on this thing


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[03:20] <lynorian> thanks kc2bez
[03:21] <kc2bez> YW
[03:21] <kc2bez> Happy to help.
[03:23] <kc2bez> I think the manual is turning out awesome! You have done an excellent job lynorian
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[04:56] <xdruppi> hi i'd like to point out something about the manual of Lubuntu, i'm doing some worth to translate it to Spanish, and I noticed that at some point, a bittorrent client recommendation for Windows users is uTorrent, and I'm against this.
[04:56] <xdruppi> work to translate* sorry
[04:56] <xdruppi> i'd recommend instead qBitTorrent, or the original BitTorrent client
[04:57] <xdruppi> qBitTorrent works really good
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[05:40] <lynorian> xdruppi: what is the difference I have not used torrents on windows ever
[05:40] <lynorian> I belive tsimonq2 made that recommendation
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[05:56] <xdruppi> lynorian: utorrent has ads and has some bad reputation
[05:59] <lynorian> xdruppi understood I can get behind this
[06:00] <lynorian> and uses Qt as well
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[06:04] <lynorian> thanks xdruppi
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[09:06] <xdruppi> im curious about something
[09:07] <xdruppi> is there plans for translation on lubuntu website?
[09:07] <xdruppi> when io
[09:07] <xdruppi> when i first visited it i thought i could change languages
[09:07] <xdruppi> :(
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[17:31] <xdruppi> does lubuntu manual get updated with each release?
[17:34] <wxl> Luiz you need a username if you want IRC folks to mention you. Suffice it to say, the goal is to get the Welcome Center in the next version.. if we get it done. Sooooooo come help us and it will be there :)
[17:52] <apt-ghetto> What are the plans to remove pyhton2?
[17:55] <teward> python2 removal is a bit more broad-scale than just Lubuntu IIRC
[17:55] <teward> since there's a ton of rdeps
[17:56] <teward> IIRC the number of rdeps on py2 is massive, equal to the py3.7 rdeps list.  :|
[17:56] <apt-ghetto> yes, but I mean only the lubuntu-specific packages, which depend on py2
[17:57] <xdruppi> teward: I'm sorry, just out of curiosity, is there people working on converting these to p3?
[17:57] <teward> xdruppi: not sure
[17:58] <apt-ghetto> lubuntu 18.10 ships with python2 but ubuntu 18.10 not
[17:58] <teward> that's... actually a good point, why *is* Lubuntu still using Py2?
[17:58] <xdruppi> apt-ghetto: I noticed that
[17:58] <apt-ghetto> so we should know, which packages are using python2
[17:58] <teward> *installs Lubuntu, then runs a dry-run removal of Py2 to see the damage*
[17:58] <wxl> i don't know, why are we?
[17:59] <wxl> probably something tsimonq2 fucked up
[17:59] <apt-ghetto> and then we can drop or replace these packages until 20.04
[17:59] <teward> wxl: can I somehow blame Simon for this?
[17:59] <wxl> i'm saying it's a good possibility :)
[18:00] <wxl> on the other hand i've discovered a few unexpected things that go back from the early days of lxqt with gilir at the helm that we just didn't go all the way
[18:00] <wxl> i can't imagine py2 is our default
[18:00] <xdruppi> wxl: who's tsimonq2?
[18:00] <wxl> xdruppi: release manager of lubuntu
[18:00] <xdruppi> oh i see
[18:00] <xdruppi> haha
[18:00] <teward> and the guy I throw stuff at :p
[18:00] <wxl> s/I/we/
[18:00] <teward> *has a thing about pestering Simon about things*
[18:01] <wxl> actually he brings it upon himself
[18:01] <teward> wxl: at least i'm not harping about the infra... :p
[18:01] <apt-ghetto> `apt-cache rdepends --installed ibus-pinyin`
[18:01] <teward> @tsimonq2: lubuntu-seed += open-vm-tools  plz.
[18:01] <teward> >.>
[18:02] <teward> lubuntu installer images*
[18:02] <wxl> you can always commit a patch yourself silly
[18:02]  * wxl gives teward the lazy badge
[18:02] <wxl> in other news, merged-usr is going to be fun
[18:03] <wxl> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh cosmic lubuntu python version is 2.7 :'''''(
[18:03] <wxl> whyyyyyyyyyy
[18:03] <teward> wtf
[18:05] <genii> !info python cosmic
[18:05] <teward> wxl: you know what
[18:05] <teward> i found something on the livecd :|
[18:05] <genii> hm
[18:05] <wxl> we didn't
[18:05] <wxl> we just don't make decisions exclusively on low-end systems only
[18:06] <wxl> gosh can i get on the right channel ever
[18:08] <teward> um... the python deps are... surprisingly not that bad if I remove python-minimal :|
[18:08] <wxl> if i'm not wrnog apt-rdepends -r --state-follow=Installed --state-show=Installed python2 should give us our answer
[18:09] <teward> well in a livecd I just removed python-minimal and the impact was mostly NOT system critical stuff
[18:09] <teward> just some ibus junk
[18:09] <teward> :P
[18:09] <wxl> is ibus not py3 capable? god
[18:10] <apt-ghetto> we should have a "drop py2" task with all the packages depending on py as subtasks
[18:10] <teward> wxl: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vFqnhzkpWY/
[18:11] <teward> looks line pinyin
[18:11] <apt-ghetto> in some cases we have to switch only the dependencies, in other we can drop unmaintained stuff
[18:11] <wxl> oh really
[18:11] <teward> let me fully install Lubuntu to the VM first
[18:11] <teward> then run the commands.
[18:11] <wxl> but why would that make the DEFaULT python 2?
[18:12] <teward> wxl: well, technically it's got *two*
[18:12] <wxl> it doesn't have two defaults
[18:12] <teward> and if there's a python executable upstream states python == python2, python == python3 if they're both present
[18:12] <teward> so not sure what you're using to define "default" in this case wxl
[18:12] <wxl> `python --version`
[18:12] <teward> wxl: because Py2 is installed
[18:13] <teward> that's not the 'default' per se
[18:13] <wxl> ugh
[18:13] <wxl> so dumb
[18:13] <teward> that's just because upstream's py2/py3 statement of operation is as it is
[18:13]  * wxl sets guido's hair on fire
[18:13] <apt-ghetto> https://lwn.net/Articles/756628/
[18:13]  * teward sets wxl on fire
[18:14] <teward> um i mean what?  :P
[18:14] <wxl> really?
[18:14] <wxl> don't know who guido van rossum is?
[18:14] <teward> not offhand, i'm just targeting you since you're here though :p
 @wxl [<wxl> gosh can i get on the right channel ever], ECHAAAAAN
 Ohai
[18:14] <teward> *throws more salt at @tsimonq2*
[18:14] <teward> no py2 plz
[18:15] <wxl> go fix it
 Me?
[18:15] <wxl> yeah you broke it
[18:15] <teward> *conscripts tsimonq2 to drop py2 as an Lubuntu dependency for runtime installation*
 @wxl [<wxl> go fix it], My automatic response to you now is "where's my task, damnit?" XD
[18:15] <wxl> i seem to remember there was a bug a long time ago about being py3 ready......................... long before cosmic................................................. uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[18:16] <apt-ghetto> there is/was a task with py2 and openbox
[18:17] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T168: Drop py2 dependencies] teward (Thomas Ward) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T168
[18:17] <teward> *points up then yells at @tsimonq2 some more*
[18:17] <wxl> wait a minute
[18:18] <wxl> WHY DO WE HAVE IBUS?
[18:18] <wxl> we have fcitx!!!!!!!!
[18:18] <apt-ghetto> the ibus daemon is not running
 @Luiz Cláudio [@tsimonq2 Congratulations on the excellent work Lubuntu 18.10], Thanks :)
[18:18] <teward> then why do we have any ibus packages to begin with
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://telegram.lubuntu.me/c3DCxH2a/file_4709.png
[18:18] <teward> because APPARENTLY that's what's installed on the Live image at least.
[18:19] <wxl> TFRM
[18:19] <wxl> (total failure of release manager)
 @Luiz Cláudio [@tsimonq2 And congratulations also for the Manual of the Lubuntu that is well co …], Thank lynorian :)
 @wxl [<wxl> (total failure of release manager)], HAHAHAHAHA is that a thing now?
 Bet
[18:20] <apt-ghetto> https://phab.lubuntu.me/T41
[18:20] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] Test the Openbox SRU: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T41
 @wxl [<wxl> if i'm not wrnog apt-rdepends -r --state-follow=Installed --state-show=Ins …], http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SRT2rNcD42
 so, why do we install ibus-pinyin by default?
 *looks over at @tsimonq2 with the coldest, most evil glare in existence*
[18:24] <xdruppi> how did canonical contact the lubuntu team to recognize it officially?
[18:24] <xdruppi> im curious
[18:24] <wxl> other way around, xdruppi
[18:24] <xdruppi> oh
[18:25] <wxl> how
[18:25] <xdruppi> did canonical doubt about it at first?
[18:25] <wxl> is
[18:25] <wxl> it
[18:25] <wxl> there?
[18:25] <xdruppi> where?
[18:25] <wxl> xdruppi: not really
 Sooo I'm deferring blame to gilir :)
[18:25] <wxl> it's probably reasonable
 We were the flavor that established the process though
 We are pioneers these days. 😎
 wxl: if you lok at the pastebin i provided just above, i think it's because language-pack-kde-zh-hans is on the image and installation
 that's why we pull in py2
 because that deps on things and ibus-piyin
 BAAAAAH
 Yeah
 which i think is to blame here
 AXE IT
 :P
 you do it, it's your job now.
 as release manager :P
 Kthxbai
 :)
 ibus-pinyin*
[18:30] <wxl> OOOOH IT"S TSIMONQ@"S FAULT AHAHAHAH
[18:30] <wxl> https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lubuntu-seed/browse/cosmic/live-share;99390b0315d02f368ba75275f107b83336fe1033?renamed=live
[18:31] <wxl> see the "Languages" line
[18:31] <wxl> previously (gilir version) was just en https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lubuntu-seed/browse/cosmic/live-share;ba84cf99bc68581a48e832147f49957b9ba000b2
 Whose fault? Who is this tsimonq@ guy?
[18:31] <teward> ***I KNEW IT*** *shoves boot into @tsimonq2's face again*
[18:31] <wxl> HAH
[18:32] <wxl> https://shedrowconfessions.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/point-and-laugh.jpg
[18:32] <teward> my question is, why does the standard Ubuntu installer ***remove*** that language pack and its dependencies while Lubuntu just still installs it
[18:32] <teward> (if the language isn't selected during install, I mean)
[18:34] <wxl> how i feel when it's tsimonq2's fault https://duckduckgo.com/?q=point+and+laugh&t=canonical&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images&iaf=type%3Aphoto-animatedgif&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FyidUzkciDTniZ7OHte%2Fgiphy.gif
[18:34] <wxl> aww nevermind that uri jeez
[18:34] <wxl> https://media.giphy.com/media/yidUzkciDTniZ7OHte/giphy.gif
[18:34] <teward> lol
[18:35] <wxl> here's tsimonq2 trying to brush off the embarassment with laughter https://tphal1213.pbworks.com/f/1355354189/Laugh%20and%20Fall%20over.jpg
 @teward [<teward> my question is, why does the standard Ubuntu installer ***remove*** tha …], Because Cala
[18:37] <teward> *burns cala*
[18:38] <wxl> to be fair there are ways to remove packages with cala........
 @wxl [<wxl> here's tsimonq2 trying to brush off the embarassment with laughter https:/ …], wxl: we need the GIF of that scene
 :P
 @wxl [<wxl> https://media.giphy.com/media/yidUzkciDTniZ7OHte/giphy.gif], Hahahahaha
[18:54] <wxl> apt-ghetto: hey since you seemed to be comfortable with the concept of the packaging tutorial, why don't you pull down that upstream patch that you originally mentioned the security thing in?
[18:56] <teward> wxl: you mean the one I NACK'd as a security risk?
[18:56] <teward> or one you didn't share with me yet :p
[18:56] <wxl> that one
[18:56] <wxl> but not pulling THAT down
[18:56] <teward> (or rather, NACK'd the task on since we aren't affected)
[18:56] <teward> :P
[18:56] <wxl> but the task that they mentioned that one in
[18:56] <teward> ah
[18:56] <apt-ghetto> you speak about https://phab.lubuntu.me/T167 or the command injection?
[18:56] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Low, Invalid] lxqt-sudo: command injection vulnerability: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T167
 HEY QA MANAGER wxl
[18:57] <teward> apt-ghetto: also don't be surprised if I start using ACK, NACK, FTBFS, GDIAF, etc. - tsimonq2 and wxl are all used to my antics and shorthand I use :P
 https://www.reddit.com/r/Lubuntu/comments/9t1n03/disco_dingo_the_development_cycle_has_started/e9mshhg?utm_source=reddit-android
[18:57] <apt-ghetto> or https://phab.lubuntu.me/T159 ?
[18:57] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Unbreak Now!, Open] strip environment in lxqt-sudo: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T159
[18:57] <teward> (i'm the one who -1'd the command injection task after investigating by the way)
 @tsimonq2 [https://www.reddit.com/r/Lubuntu/comments/9t1n03/disco_dingo_the_development_cyc …], wxl wxl wxl
[18:58] <wxl> apt-ghetto: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T159
[18:58] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Unbreak Now!, Open] strip environment in lxqt-sudo: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T159
[18:58] <wxl> wth
[18:58] <apt-ghetto> I hope I can upload the diff in the next few days
[18:58] <teward> @apt-ghetto: have you confirmed that if T159 gets included T167 is needed
[18:58] <teward> because T167 affects a patch that's *not* necessarily from environment stripping
[18:59] <teward> rather, the enforcing of C locale
[18:59] <apt-ghetto> no, the command injection and the strip environment are not related
[18:59] <wxl> dist/full-upgrading with a development release
[18:59] <wxl> dangerous
[18:59] <teward> apt-ghetto: that's what I thought, you referenced it in 159 which is what i asked.
[19:00] <apt-ghetto> i have prepared a diff only for the strip patch
 @wxl [<wxl> dist/full-upgrading with a development release], I do it daily :P
[19:00] <wxl> @tsimonq2: then why aren't you having the problem?
 I don't know
[19:00] <wxl> then it's probably not a problem, eh?
 But it's up to the QA team to test it. :P
[19:01] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T159: strip environment in lxqt-sudo] teward (Thomas Ward) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T159#3346
[19:01] <wxl> can't reproduce = not a bug
[19:01] <teward> ^ just since that task referenced T167 i wanted to make it clear it's not needed :P
[19:01] <apt-ghetto> yes, I know
[19:02] <teward> apt-ghetto: nice to actually meet(?) you though :)  (I'm not usually active here in -devel, I just torture tsimonq2 and wxl in the secret channels heh)
 We have *one* internal channel for that exact reason. :P
[19:03] <wxl> we probably need more
[19:03] <wxl> it's a vast subject
[19:03] <teward> lol
 Hahahahaha
 A channel just dedicated to blaming me for stuff? XD
[19:03] <apt-ghetto> what channel? lubuntu-pain? lubuntu-sadism?
 XDD
[19:04] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T168: Drop py2 dependencies] teward (Thomas Ward) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T168#3347
[19:04] <wxl> i mean there COULD be a whole channel JUST for that
[19:04] <teward> lubuntu-torturefest
[19:04] <teward> um i mean
[19:04] <teward> what?
[19:04] <teward> :P
[19:05] <teward> we could just set up lubot to post in that channel ever 5 seconds "It's @tsimonq2's fault!" :p
[19:05] <wxl> probably would be wise
[19:55] <lynorian> tsimonq2: do we know why the translations for the manual aren't building?
 @lynorian [<lynorian> tsimonq2: do we know why the translations for the manual aren't build …], Because I need to go and clean up shop :P
[19:57] <teward> and that'll stop weblate from yelling at me too lol
[19:58] <wxl> heh i can't even run calamares in dingo
[19:58] <teward> does cala have dependencies on python3?
[19:58] <teward> because that's a cluster right now :P
[19:58] <wxl> can't find libboost_python36.so.1.67.0
[19:59] <teward> wxl: there is no Py3.6
[19:59] <teward> it's py3.7
 (Document) https://telegram.lubuntu.me/da7TsrZH/file_4715.mp4
[19:59] <teward> that's why everything's a cluster
[19:59] <wxl> so there's your answer, @tsimonq2. go fix it
[19:59] <teward> wxl: cala needs updated for 3.7 deps
[19:59] <teward> go fix it
 Where's my damn task?
 :P
[19:59] <wxl> @tsimonq2 brought it up so he gets to fix it (https://www.reddit.com/r/Lubuntu/comments/9t1n03/disco_dingo_the_development_cycle_has_started/e9mshhg/)
[19:59] <teward> wxl: it's what's breaking cinder which is blocking the nginx migration from proposed -> release :p
[19:59] <wxl> you didn't give me a task so you get to make one
[19:59] <wxl> :)
[20:00] <teward> can i make one major task "UPdate things for Py3.7" and then we just add tasks to that :p
[20:00] <teward> loljk i make too many tasks :p
 @teward [<teward> loljk i make too many tasks :p], No you don't
 Do it
[20:01] <teward> *sits on @tsimonq2 and uses them as a chair*
[20:03] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T169: Python 3.7 Migration Tasks] teward (Thomas Ward) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T169
[20:04] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL50173658a62c: Add page width and entire page zoom in lowriter] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL50173658a62c
[20:04] <teward> wxl: make a cala is broken task, parent it to T169?
[20:04] <wxl> sure
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[20:37] <wxl> O_O
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[20:37] <wxl> what did you break @tsimonq2 ?
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[20:39] <teward> weblate asploded
[20:39] <teward> again
[20:39] <wxl> if only @tsimonq2 would stop breaking it
[20:39] <teward> we can probably partly blame xdruppi *runs and hides*
[20:39] <teward> :p
[20:40] <wxl> not really
[20:40] <wxl> it's ALLL @tsimonq2 's fault
 :P
[20:40] <teward> holy heck > 45 commits :|
 @tsimonq2 so did you look at my CMake lists code?
[20:40] <teward> *squishes @tsimonq2*
 @Wafficus [@tsimonq2 so did you look at my CMake lists code?], What do you want me to look at?
[20:44] <teward> the code lol
[20:44] <teward> *shot*
 @tsimonq2 like if CMake builds correctly since I had an IRC member from #Linux help me adapt the hello world example from CMakes's website to just reference the Community Center project files
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[20:47] <teward> wxl: does rebuilding cala against the newer python dev libraries make it work?
[20:48] <teward> or have you not tested?
[20:49] <wxl> @teward: didn't test. might want to ask the release manager XD
[20:50] <teward> lol
[20:50] <teward> *throws sticks at @tsimonq2*
[20:50] <wxl> i bet it will just work
 wxl: what was the source package?
[20:51] <wxl> um
 I was gonna say would anyone else like to aid me on the welcome center? I ask because although the tutorial progress and beginner aspect is helping me, I need another person to check my work that knows qt and c++
[20:51] <wxl> c
[20:51] <wxl> a
[20:51] <wxl> l
[20:51] <wxl> a
[20:51] <wxl> m
[20:51] <wxl> a
[20:51] <wxl> r
[20:51] <wxl> e
[20:51] <wxl> s
 *shoots wxl*
 It's Cala
 C
 A
 L
 A
[20:51] <wxl> hahahahahah
[20:52] <wxl> Cala != CALA
[20:52]  * wxl remaps all of @tsimonq2's shift keys so that they add extra, unnecessary whitespace instead
[20:53] <teward> um, hm.
[20:53] <teward> wxl: cala is already rebuilt to look at pt3.7
[20:53] <teward> py3.7
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[20:54] <wxl> as of when?
[20:54] <teward> NCR on Oct. 31
[20:54] <teward> (No Change Rebuild)
[20:54] <teward> by doko
[20:57] <teward> wxl: given that python3-dev is called in, i'd think it'd use Python 7 then
[20:57] <teward> 3.7 then*
[20:57] <teward> wxl: prod doko then?
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[21:00] <wxl> !info calamares disco
[21:01] <wxl> is it possible that libboost-python1.67.0 needs to be rebuilt?
[21:01] <wxl> oh
[21:02] <wxl> it depends on python3 and:
[21:02] <wxl> !info python3 disco
[21:02] <wxl> uh
[21:02] <wxl> what
 check the source package for libbost-python1.67.0
 if it has a NCR for Py3.7 then it shouldn't need rebuilt again
 wxl: last boost1.67 build was Nov 1
 so it should've been .3.7
 3.7*
[21:06] <wxl> NCR w/o 3.6 in 1.67.0-8build1
 what about in proposed?
 actually
[21:07] <wxl> rebuilds against icu
 wxl: lastest supported in Disco is 1.67.0-9
 so where's you getting 1.67.0-8build1?
 (because there's newer versions!)
[21:07] <wxl> i'm thinking we *JUST* missed 8built1
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 well wouldn't -9 be built then properly?
 or -10 which is still in proposed?
 test cala from proposed?
 betcha it'll explode because 3.6->3.7 but still
[21:07] <wxl> there goes that idea
[21:08] <wxl> we have -9
 yep
 but -10 is in proposed so test it anyways?
[21:08] <wxl> yeah i guess
 looks like -10 had a rebuild against icu 63
 so maybe that update will fix it IDK
[21:08] <wxl> i doubt it
[21:10] <wxl> nope
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 wxl: then something went FUBAR
 time to open an LP bug lol
 and a phab task for it 😛
[21:11] <wxl> i'll wait to hear back from doko
[21:11] <wxl> but chances are
[21:11] <wxl> it's tsimonq2's fault
 lol
 *blames xnox instead*
[21:12] <wxl> might be legitimate
[21:12] <wxl> but we'll still publicly blame @tsimonq2
 :P
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[21:20] <wxl> oh jeez now @tsimonq2 broke the manual script!
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[23:29] <tsimonq2> Bad tsimonq2 is bad.
 @tsimonq2 ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[23:31] <tsimonq2> 05:28:35 PM < tsimonq2> All of that should have gone to Disco.
[23:31] <tsimonq2> 05:28:59 PM < tsimonq2> vorlon, rbasak, bdmurray: Anyone feeling reject happy? ^
[23:31] <tsimonq2> That.
 fix your no change rebuild script harder!
 :D


[13:11] <EpicShield> bonjour
[13:43] <ericus> howdy!
[13:44] <ericus> I've been using Ubuntu for like 10-12 years, what's the big difference? I hate Ubuntu Unity
[14:12] <ericus> why not just regular Ubuntu and install mate?
[19:36] <Iggy_> Hi there!!
[19:59] <egy> Iggy, are you from Hungary ? :)


[17:25] <TenLeftFingers> Unity 8 locks up completely and I have to pull the plug on the machine. If I run ubuntu-bug unity8 will that target the best package at this early stage or is there way to debug better - given that no logging is likely to take place when the machine locks up?