[00:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: mypaint [riscv64] (noble-proposed/universe) [2.0.1-10] (ubuntustudio)
[00:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mypaint [amd64] (noble-proposed) [2.0.1-10]
[00:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mypaint [armhf] (noble-proposed) [2.0.1-10]
[00:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mypaint [riscv64] (noble-proposed) [2.0.1-10]
[00:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mypaint [arm64] (noble-proposed) [2.0.1-10]
[00:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mypaint [s390x] (noble-proposed) [2.0.1-10]
[00:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mypaint [ppc64el] (noble-proposed) [2.0.1-10]
[00:34] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: there you go
[00:35] <Eickmeyer> 😁
[00:36] <Eickmeyer> Yep, turnaround time on that was pretty quick after a quick back-and-forth on the upstream.
[01:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gcc-14-cross-ports [arm64] (noble-proposed/universe) [1ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist)
[02:01] <mwhudson> vorlon: thanks for the debian-cd reviews btw
[03:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gcc-14-cross-ports [ppc64el] (noble-proposed/universe) [1ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist)
[04:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted update-manager [source] (jammy-proposed) [1:22.04.19]
[06:00] <pushkarnk> Would it be possible (and is it correct) to remove ldap-account-manager from the excuses blocking Perl? One of the binary packages in it is blocked on a PHP-related dependency mismatch, the other binary package which is Perl-based seems to be having no issues. I wonder why this should block Perl. See bug 2051559
[06:00] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Bug 2051559 in ldap-account-manager (Ubuntu) "New dependency - php-psr-log -  is unsatisfiable on noble" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2051559
[06:03] <pushkarnk> nvm, I checked the latest report and it has been removed
[06:17] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: just to check, were you still planning to do a livecd-rootfs ppa build somewhere for ubuntu-image testing?
[06:18] <vorlon> pushkarnk: yeah I reran the tests with correct triggers
[06:20] <pushkarnk> ack, thanks!
[06:29] <ginggs> i've been through the python3.12-default / perl-5.38 collisions (at the bottom of both trackers), i.e. claws-mail, freeradius, fungw, etc.
[06:30] <ginggs> most are not blocked by python3.12 (they don't build extensions for 3.12 only)
[06:31] <ginggs> the ones that are blocked have previous versions built with perl 5.38 and not python3.12, which we might be able to restore?
[06:31] <ginggs> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glgrib/1.0-3build2
[06:31] <ginggs> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/graphviz/2.42.2-7build4
[06:31] <ginggs> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsbml/5.20.2+dfsg-2build1
[06:31] <ginggs> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsolv/0.7.27-2build1
[06:31] <ginggs> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mapserver/8.0.1-2build3
[06:31] <ginggs> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openbabel/3.1.1+dfsg-9ubuntu1
[06:31] <ginggs> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcp/6.1.1-1build2
[06:31] <ginggs> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zbar/0.23.93-1
[06:32] <ginggs> in addition to those collisions, glgrib is blocked on a new eccodes upload which FTBFS on some architectures
[06:34] <ginggs> and uwsgi is blocked on a new glusterfs upload which no longer builds on armhf
[07:31] <vorlon> so I'm retrying all tests that are currently marked as 'in progress' because they seem to have been lost somewhere along the way, they don't show up on https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running (cc: paride)
[07:31] <vorlon> ... except a bunch of them queued and now I'm getting 403s
[07:33] <vorlon> because I got randomly bounced to the other backend invalidating my cookie, yay
[07:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gcc-14-cross-ports [amd64] (noble-proposed) [1ubuntu1]
[07:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gcc-14-cross-ports [ppc64el] (noble-proposed) [1ubuntu1]
[07:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gcc-14-cross-ports [arm64] (noble-proposed) [1ubuntu1]
[07:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gcc-14-cross-ports [s390x] (noble-proposed) [1ubuntu1]
[09:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: qatengine (noble-proposed/primary) [1.5.0-0ubuntu1]
[09:31] <paride> thanks for the heads-up vorlon, looking
[09:47] <vorlon> doko: hmm the latest version of gfortran in Debian seems to be missing the alternative for f95?  noticed because I can't build cmor for time_t :/
[10:01] <doko> vorlon: fixed in the VCS. will upload tomorrow
[10:01] <vorlon> doko: cheers
[10:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added gdm3 to ubuntu-desktop in jammy
[10:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added gdm3 to ubuntu-desktop in mantic
[10:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added gdm3 to ubuntu-desktop in noble
[10:54] <tchavadar> Hello all, it seems like flash-kernel update that includes Xilinx KD240 support in jammy is blocked due to freeze (https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/jammy/update_excuses.html#:~:text=31%3A25%202024-,flash%2Dkernel%20(3.104ubuntu17%20to%203.104ubuntu18),-Migration%20status%20for). Is it possible to approve it? I have provided test resilts from Canonical QA in the related LP bug.
[11:43] <kxuan1> Hi! We tries to fix a typo in alsa-ucm-conf package. It causes the alsa does not work on OEM's devices. But in proposed-migration, I found that the package has been freezed. Could someone help us to merge the patch into jammy? Thanks!
[11:45] <kxuan1> Link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-ucm-conf/+bug/2049327
[11:45] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2049327 in alsa-ucm-conf (Ubuntu Mantic) "`alsactl init` unable to initialze audio device on G700" [Undecided, Fix Committed]
[11:46] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks sergiodj for libvirt!
[12:08] <rbasak> RAOF: did you release neutron in Focal earlier, and if so, did you get an OOPS?
[12:08] <rbasak> mfo: ^
[12:19] <ginggs> tchavadar: you want an SRU vanguard, and today that's rbasak
[13:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ltrace (focal-proposed/main) [0.7.3-6.1ubuntu1 => 0.7.3-6.1ubuntu1.1] (core)
[13:21] <tchavadar> rbasak: can you please check if the SRU for flash-kernel to jammy is ok to be released?
[13:23] <rbasak> tchavadar: this is bug 2037407 I think?
[13:23] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Bug 2037407 in flash-kernel (Ubuntu Mantic) "[SRU] Add support for AMD-Xilinx Kria KD240" [Undecided, Fix Committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2037407
[13:23] <tchavadar> rbasak: yes correct it is about 2037407
[13:24] <rbasak> tchavadar: the bug description mentions expected testing of ZCU 102, 104, 106, 111 for example, and that doesn't appear to have been done?
[13:26] <tchavadar> rbasak: let me check with canonical QA if we have availability on those devices and if the package has been tested on those boards
[13:26] <rbasak> tchavadar: thanks. The SRU team's expectation is that the test plan agreed in the bug is completed and there's a report in the bug that confirms the agreed plan was carried out with the appropriate version numbers reported.
[13:27] <rbasak> tchavadar: it's incorrect to mark the bug verification-done until that's done.
[13:29] <tchavadar> rbasak: let me mark it back to needs-verification, seems like I forgot to check ZCU results, I have asked QA to provide them if possible
[13:43] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: That's the plan and on my radar today.
[14:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: qemu (jammy-proposed/main) [1:6.2+dfsg-2ubuntu6.16 => 1:6.2+dfsg-2ubuntu6.17] (ubuntu-server, virt)
[14:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cinder (jammy-proposed/main) [2:20.3.1-0ubuntu1 => 2:20.3.1-0ubuntu1.1] (openstack)
[15:08] <leokolb> Todays iso builds have not updated the cdiimage site .. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com - all flavors also affected..
[15:19] <tsimonq2> qa-help ^^^
[15:21] <Skia> ack, we'll have a look, thanks
[15:21] <tsimonq2> <3
[15:22] <leokolb> (y)
[16:06] <Skia> we'll have a closer look tomorrow, but for now, there is no obvious failure in the logs, so maybe some kind of transiant network issue or else. If it keeps failing tomorrow, we'll dig deeper.
[16:08] <leokolb> tks
[17:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: qatzip (noble-proposed/primary) [1.1.2-0ubuntu1]
[17:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: apache2 (jammy-proposed/main) [2.4.52-1ubuntu4.7 => 2.4.52-1ubuntu4.8] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-server)
[17:21] <sergiodj> LocutusOfBorg: I decided to go ahead an upload it even with the regression, which shouldn't impact anything other than live migrations
[17:21] <vorlon> the 20240131 daily image directories are all present on the rsync source
[17:21] <vorlon> I've attempted to re-trigger the frontends to pull (`sync-mirrors`)
[17:23] <vorlon> I got 4 inbound rsync connections in response to the trigger
[17:24] <vorlon> for releases and torrent. not for cdimage
[17:26] <vorlon> RT opened
[17:29] <vorlon> tsimonq2, Skia: the QA team does not have operational oversight of cdimage.u.c; not sure if there is some process that's been discussed which resulted in a qa ping here
[17:55] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: livcd-rootfs building in https://launchpad.net/~eeickmeyer/+archive/ubuntu/ppa for a test.
[17:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ruby3.2 [amd64] (noble-proposed/universe) [3.2.3-1] (no packageset)
[17:58] <leokolb> As with other daily ISO's - todays Lubuntu iso failed to update the http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/ website the build was successful
[18:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ruby3.2 [ppc64el] (noble-proposed/universe) [3.2.3-1] (no packageset)
[18:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ruby3.2 [armhf] (noble-proposed/universe) [3.2.3-1] (no packageset)
[18:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ruby3.2 [s390x] (noble-proposed/universe) [3.2.3-1] (no packageset)
[18:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ruby3.2 [amd64] (noble-proposed) [3.2.3-1]
[18:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ruby3.2 [ppc64el] (noble-proposed) [3.2.3-1]
[18:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ruby3.2 [armhf] (noble-proposed) [3.2.3-1]
[18:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ruby3.2 [s390x] (noble-proposed) [3.2.3-1]
[18:50] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/noble/edubuntu-preinstalled/
[18:51] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: +1
[19:11] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: Yep, same error.
[19:13] <vorlon> upils: ^^
[19:13] <Eickmeyer> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/712105193/buildlog_ubuntu_noble_arm64_raspi_edubuntu-preinstalled_BUILDING.txt.gz
[19:13] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: oh; but the log says 'ubuntu-image 3.2 from Canonical** installed
[19:14] <vorlon> which is the stable version?
[19:14] <Eickmeyer> Right, I'm trying to figure out why it didn't pull from edge.
[19:14] <vorlon> ok
[19:17] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: My change was in line 27 of live-build/auto/build: 	LB_UBUNTU_IMAGE_CHANNEL="${LB_UBUNTU_IMAGE_CHANNEL:-edge}"
[19:17] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: sorry, I'm not in a position to dig into the code on this right now
[19:17] <Eickmeyer> No worries, I'll keep digging
[19:17] <vorlon> I have 800 more packages to upload to Debian experimental
[19:17] <Eickmeyer> Ew.
[19:18]  * Eickmeyer has been getting debian-multimedia emails about that.
[19:51] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: It didn't pull from livecd-rootfs my PPA.: `Get:164 http://ftpmaster.internal/ubuntu noble-proposed/main arm64 livecd-rootfs arm64 24.04.25 [118 kB]` - that should be a launchpad address and the version number is wrong.
[19:51] <vorlon> ah well then
[19:51] <vorlon> I'll look in a bit to try to work out what I missed, since EXTRA_PPAS didn't do it
[19:52] <Eickmeyer> Sounds good. :)
[19:53] <vorlon> oh. did I trigger it too soon before publication, maybe
[19:53] <vorlon> trying again
[20:04] <Eickmeyer> ack
[20:25] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: Failed again, everything looks correct. `ubuntu-image (edge) 3.2+snap2 from Canonical** installed`
[20:25] <Eickmeyer> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/712120981/buildlog_ubuntu_noble_arm64_raspi_edubuntu-preinstalled_BUILDING.txt.gz
[20:25] <Eickmeyer> upils: ^
[20:26] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: ok then.  please be sure to post this to the bug also
[20:26] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: thanks
[20:27] <upils> sadly I still need to investigate more to understand what is still using the /dev in the chroot
[20:27] <vorlon> upils: does your code detect and recursively unmount any submounts?
[20:28] <vorlon> my initial read was that something that's part of edubuntu was mounting a sub-fs that we don't see mounted by default in Ubuntu
[20:28] <vorlon> but the discussion I saw seemed to focus on questions of whether /dev itself was in use and being unmounted correctly
[20:28] <upils> no, and this is likely the next step, because I suspect the installation of some package is mounting something in /dev
[20:29] <vorlon> yes, that was what it initially looked like to me
[20:30] <upils> but also a couple of other things were problematic (like unmouting in the wrong order, bind mounting, etc.)
[20:31] <upils> but yeah I will fix the code to look for submounts
[20:37] <upils> and fun fact: this is the same error, but not at the same state of the build. Because now the install_packages is succeeding (even if /dev cannot be properly unmounted) but then when the preseed_image step tries to mount again it fails
[20:38] <upils> mount is such a marvelous thing :D
[21:25] <vorlon> fwiw one of two cdimage.ubuntu.com frontends is fixed
[21:25] <vorlon> and IS is working on the other
[21:48] <vorlon> right well it looks like all the frontends *did* sync, but now syncing is broken again
[21:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: apache2 (mantic-proposed/main) [2.4.57-2ubuntu2.2 => 2.4.57-2ubuntu2.3] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-server)
[22:42] <rbasak> RAOF: o/ did you see my ping above about neutron?
[23:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python-build [amd64] (noble-proposed/universe) [1.0.3-1] (i386-whitelist)
[23:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-build [amd64] (noble-proposed) [1.0.3-1]


[00:10] <lfaraone> Does the whole SRU process have to be followed for no-change rebuilds?
[00:20] <jtaylor> lfaraone: your looking at wxmaxima?
[00:20] <lfaraone> jtaylor: yes.
[00:22] <jtaylor> the procedure is the same
[00:25] <RAOF> But you get the advantage of it being a simple change to review. :)
[00:25] <jtaylor> lfaraone: I added a second affected package
[00:25] <jtaylor> there might be more
[00:26] <lfaraone> jtaylor: Sure. I'm tempted to reply to the bugcontrol requestor "this isn't really the place to email, plus, see the SRU proceedure"
[00:26] <jtaylor> here is what I tested http://paste.ubuntu.com/6396214/
[12:29] <tumbleweed> lfaraone: read the little essay at the top of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates ...
[16:36] <lfaraone> tumbleweed: "but a rebuild is a zero-line change!"
[16:36] <tumbleweed> :)


[00:06] <frib> I think an ubuntu update may be causing me to get this error: error while loading shared libraries: libmpfr.so.4
[00:06] <frib> But not sure how to fix it.. anyone know? thanks
[00:07] <frib> (it's being requested by qmake for cross compiling with 32-bit minGW
[00:07] <sarnold> what error are you getting?
[00:08] <WoC> sarnold ok, ty, much more than i thought... ;o
[00:08] <sarnold> WoC: same here :(
[00:38] <Darkchaos> sarnold: I think I got something, still stuff to figure out, though :D
[00:38] <Darkchaos> The .o file doesn't have the table either, but the LD Flag is "-Wl,--exclude-libs,ALL"
[00:39] <Darkchaos> It shouldn't remove version symbols but only function symbols, I guess, but you never know
[00:42] <WoC> Darkchaos, sounds like the affected libs got updated mid build, maybe make clean and rebuild ?
[00:42] <Darkchaos> WoC: "Unfortunately" it's rebuildable. TLDR is: openjdk-lts when built on Ubuntu (NOT Debian) misses the symver section in lib/libjawt.so
[00:45] <WoC> good thing that java is against my religion, thou must not venture there...
[00:46] <Darkchaos> Well, my religion brought me that far. Instead of giving up, I tend to dig deeper and deeper into the problem, even if it's really really really frustrating
[00:47] <WoC> java to c++ converter ;)
[00:48] <CarlFK> how can I see saved wifi passwords for an ssid I am not near?
[00:48] <sarnold> Darkchaos: reminds me a bit of The Simpsons, "Son, we are about the break the surly bonds of gravity, and punch the face of God."
[00:49] <WoC> heh
[00:49] <sarnold> CarlFK: check /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/
[00:52] <CarlFK> sarnold: bingo.  thanks.
[00:52] <nCoV_fren> Hi frens!
[00:54] <sarnold> CarlFK: yay
[01:34] <eelstrebor> why is bind9-host needed to install dnsutils? not only that, the package manager shows bind9-host as deprecated
[01:36] <sarnold> eelstrebor: Depends: bind9-host | host,  ...
[01:36] <sarnold> eelstrebor: any package that supplies the virtual package depdency on 'host' can satisfy that dep
[01:39] <eelstrebor> host isn't a package
[01:43] <sarnold> in some releases, the knot-host package can also provide the host virtual package
[01:48] <yeoj> i'm seeing the same problem as https://cursos.alura.com.br/forum/topico-ubuntu-bionic-18-04-cloudimg-vmdk-truncated-tar-archive-102757 for the past couple versions of bionic64, but don't seem to have problems with any other images, nor ubuntu/trusty64
[01:51] <sarnold> hmm, https://vagrantcloud.com/ubuntu/boxes/bionic64/versions/20200210.0.0/providers/
[01:51] <sarnold> that gives a 404
[01:52] <sarnold> ah the full url actually works, that's just a redirect farm to https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/bionic/current/bionic-server-cloudimg-amd64-vagrant.box
[02:31] <pjs> any ideas on this weird package install issue: http://dpaste.com/338YFR6
[02:31] <pjs> Says it can't overwrite a file but the file doesn't exist
[02:36] <sarnold> pjs: where'd you find a python3.8-distutils package? what's apt-cache policy python3.8-distutils   report?
[02:37] <pjs> sarnold: http://dpaste.com/0MWTZAA
[02:37] <pjs> that's the output
[02:39] <sarnold> pjs: you'll probably need to ask deadsnakes what the intention for that package is
[02:39] <sarnold> pjs: is the goal to replace all the python packages that ubuntu supplies?
[02:39] <sarnold> pjs: or is this just a bug in deadsnakes' packaging?
[02:40] <pjs> sarnold: no clue. I just wanted to install python3.8 lol. It used to work just fine. Not sure when it stopped
[02:40] <Bashing-om> !info python3.8 bionic
[02:44] <sarnold> your system may be too broken to install the ppa-purge package via apt, but it's worth trying to get it installed somehow, I think it has the best chance of being an easy way to back out of this situation
[02:45] <pjs> sarnold: Yea, I'd love to get it as we're literally upgrading our app to py3.8 tonight so tomorrow my laptop won't have a supported env hahha
[02:46] <sarnold> pjs: try wget https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ppa-purge/0.2.8+bzr63/+build/8424921/+files/ppa-purge_0.2.8+bzr63_all.deb && sudo dpkg -i ./ppa-purge_0.2.8+bzr63_all.deb    -- see if this works
[02:46] <pjs> sure one sec
[02:47] <pjs> sarnold: installed fine
[02:49] <sarnold> pjs: nice; try ppa-purge ppa:deadsnakes
[02:54] <pjs> sarnold: running (sorry got a call)
[02:54] <sarnold> pjs: does it look like it's going in happy directions?
[02:55] <pjs> sarnold: http://dpaste.com/1C53JHD
[02:55] <pjs> The mongo stuff has been there.. I just need to remove the sources (or update the key).. I don't use it so I keep ignoring it
[02:56] <pjs> but does specifically mention deadsnakes (removed mongo, re-ran the command, just gives the same output as before minus the mongo sig issues)
[02:56] <sarnold> I wish this thing would just let you copy-paste the URL from the apt-get output. :/
[02:57] <sarnold> pjs: alright, how about ppa-purge -o deadsnakes
[02:58] <pjs> sarnold: it's telling me things will be downgraded, mostly python3.8 stuff
[02:59] <sarnold> pjs: sweet that sounds like success
[02:59] <pjs> though some 3.7 in there too.. want the output?
[02:59] <sarnold> yeah
[02:59] <sarnold> that's probably good
[02:59] <pjs> sarnold: http://dpaste.com/0S82BE0
[03:00] <sarnold> pjs: looks good to me
[03:00] <pjs> ok, so continue right?
[03:00] <sarnold> yes
[03:01] <pjs> wheee
[03:01] <sarnold> once this thing is done, double-check your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*list files and make sure they look good -- then a fresh apt update && apt upgrade
[03:01] <pjs> sarnold: PPA purged successfully
[03:01] <pjs> ok
[03:01] <sarnold> great
[03:03] <pjs> sarnold: ok, all upgraded correctly
[03:03] <sarnold> pjs: cool cool :)
[03:03] <pjs> it appears distuitls is present in 3.8 now
[03:04] <pjs> hrmm, though the issue remains.. weird
[03:05] <sarnold> hmm, what are you seeing now?
[03:05] <pjs> well, now it's a Python thing (which is what started the whole chase down the rabbit hole)
[03:06] <sarnold> that's both good news, in that the system python is put back :) and bad news, in that I know next to nothing about virtualenv or pip or similar
[03:07] <pjs> sarnold: http://dpaste.com/0P5S382
[03:07] <pjs> progress for sure lol
[03:08] <sarnold> pjs: for example, I can't tell if that's success or failure :)
[03:08] <pjs> sarnold: hah, yea nor I
[03:09] <pjs> I install python3.8-venv but I guess I need both
[03:09] <pjs> though it says it's already installed
[03:09] <sarnold> this is where I get very very confused
[03:10] <sarnold> buuut it may be poissible to have a venv of some sort installed in your home direcotry that lets 'import venv' work, but still be missing the python3-venv module
[03:11] <sarnold> I don't know venvs. at all. but I suspect this may be the sort of thing that's fixed by: mv ~/env ~/env.deletemesomeday
[03:11] <sarnold> followed by apt install python3-venv
[03:17] <pjs> sarnold: no because I print the file and it's showing the system path
[03:19]  * gaughen waves at sarnold
[03:19] <sarnold> heya gaughen :)
[03:19] <sarnold> pjs: dang
[03:20] <pjs> lol yea this is weird.. I never understood why Linux distros rip out core parts of software (ie, python) to separate packages. venv is a core module
[03:21] <gaughen> pjs, are you the person running into trouble with the vagrant box?
[03:21] <gaughen> if not sarnold who should I pester here?
[03:21] <gaughen> I mean offer support to ;-)
[03:23] <sarnold> gaughen: that was yeoj -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-images/+bug/1862869
[03:23] <gaughen> ah cool, thank you
[03:23] <gaughen> and thanks for the bug
[03:23] <sarnold> gaughen: pjs has an issue somewhere in python venvland that I don't understand
[03:24] <pjs> gaughen: no sir :)
[03:24] <gaughen> :-)
[03:27] <gaughen> yeoj, I added a comment in the bug offering a suggestion to get you moving again.
[03:31] <sarnold> nice, thanks gaughen :)
[03:32] <gaughen> sarnold, trying to help. I don't know if it will work for what yeoj's trying to do but hopefully will get them moving this evening.
[03:34] <pjs> sarnold: sweet.. now no python version works with venv :)
[03:34] <sarnold> pjs: nice, consistency, I like it.
[03:35] <pjs> hahah
[03:35] <pjs> I need a break.. bbiaf
[03:56] <k_sze> Is there a way to set the color-depth when using GNOME desktop?
[04:45] <dinkoarun> Hi, since the last week, a random command has been run by postgres user that his hogging a lot of CPU. It is not showing in the pg_stat_activity. I suspect it is some sort of malware, but I am unable to diagnose it. Can someone help? I am using it on Ubuntu 16.04 server. Postgres 9.5
[04:45] <dinkoarun> It is running even when postgres service is stopped.
[04:51] <robertparkerx> how do I restart from command line? shutdown -r isn't working
[04:51] <robertparkerx> Failed to parse time specification: –r
[04:55] <Bashing-om> robertparkerx: 'systemctl poweroff' .
[04:56] <dinkoarun> robertparkerx try shutdown -r now
[05:03] <robertparkerx> shutdown -r now worked
[05:03] <robertparkerx> ty
[05:11] <jaziz> Does anyone have any advice for an interview with Canonical?
[05:14] <pjs> sarnold: so turns out 'apt-get --reinstall install python3.8-distutils' did the trick and resolved the issues with all python versions.. So weird but, it's working :)
[05:14] <pjs> thanks again for the help earlier
[05:30] <robertparkerx> I run 'screen -s irssi' as irssi user. How can I makke a systemcmd to run it at startup ?
[05:33] <robertparkerx> I've tried to setup a crontab -e
[05:33] <robertparkerx> @reboot screen -s irssi
[05:33] <robertparkerx> but it doesn't seem to work
[05:48] <rud0lf> try full path to screen maybe
[05:54] <robertparkerx> so '/usr/bin/screen -s irssi'
[05:55] <rud0lf> seems so
[05:57] <robertparkerx> rud0lf can I do this https://termbin.com/m19g
[05:57] <rud0lf> i don't know systemd
[06:00] <robertparkerx> didn't workk
[06:06] <rustytaco> Hello all! I'm running 19.10 on an hp 15ba-078dx laptop. The touchpad is annoyingly sensitive to brushing it with my hand while typing and such. SUggestions?
[06:06] <rustytaco> using xfce desktop, but would like an option that fixes it systemwide as there are other users too
[06:09] <Aktive> hello
[06:10] <Aktive> I cant use my monitor sound which goes from graphics card to monitor with display port
[06:10] <Aktive> there comes no sound
[06:10] <Aktive> I tried selecting the device, putting mouse volume up
[06:12] <yeoj> gaughen: thank you!  i just used hashicorp/bionic64 for the moment.  i tried pinning to ubuntu images back in 201909 with same issue.  it's quite possible that i'm doing something wrong, too.  thanks for following up!
[06:12] <de-facto> How can I get debug output from nautilus? Trying to debug a WebDAV problem where it just helpfully tells me: Ops, something went wrong: Unknown Error : HTTP Multistatus
[06:12] <de-facto> well Oops indeed...
[06:13] <de-facto> what is something and why is the error unknown?
[06:13] <de-facto> obviously it knows more about it since it detected it went wrong
[06:19] <de-facto> I tried to debug WebDAV in Nautilus like this, yet its output is not really helpful
[06:19] <de-facto>   pkill gvfs; pkill nautilus ; LC_ALL=C GVFS_DEBUG=1 $(find /usr/lib* -name gvfsd 2>/dev/null) --replace 2>&1
[06:20] <de-facto> dav: send_reply(0x55d033fb5ae0), failed=1 (HTTP Error: Multi-Status)
[06:20] <de-facto> lol
[06:32] <de-facto> ok failed request got "dav:  [/prefix1] webdav: 1, collection 0 [res: 0]" in the logs, while successful  request "[/prefix2] webdav: 1, collection 1 [res: 1]"  (note difference in collection and res
[07:07] <ztane> strange powerconsumption issues with ubuntu 1910 and lenovo t480 laptop
[07:08] <ztane> cpu power scaling for example set to lowest and the bottom cover is fiery hot
[07:08] <ztane> started coinciding at the same time with upgrade to 1910,
[07:08] <ztane> from 1804
[07:09] <ztane> now I need to run windblows to find out if it happens there too
[07:09] <ztane> before I RMA :d
[07:31] <de-facto> how do I tell nautilus to use totem for opening mp4 videos? It claims its not installed for webdav, yet locally it opens such files with it
[07:31] <de-facto> its straight a lie...
[07:32] <de-facto> Do you want to search for an application? clicking yes just reopens same dialogue in a loop
[07:32] <de-facto> what a buggy mess
[07:33] <de-facto> is there an option to completely wipe all state from nautilus?
[07:33] <Forza> Hello . Is tgt the only iscsi target supported on Ubuntu?
[07:36] <de-facto> where does nautilus store its state?
[07:37] <rustytaco> de-facto: probably in ~/.config/ somewhere
[07:38] <rustytaco> It appears ~/.config/nautilus/ but i personally have nothing there as i use thunar
[07:39] <de-facto> i also cant see any relevant settings in gsettings list-recursively org.gnome.nautilus
[07:46] <de-facto> sometimes nautilus really makes me want to throw my computer out of the window
[07:47] <rustytaco> yea most DEs leave me feeling that way. xfce stays out my way enough that i can make myself use X ;)
[07:49] <de-facto> probably it even is my fault, since i did that debugging for webdav. yet now it remembers a state from somewhere which makes it behave weird
[07:50] <de-facto> but why would gnome hide every possible option from its users? this is what i really hate about it
[07:50] <gambl0re> anyone can help me with gparted? im trying to format my sd card but nothing im doing is working
[07:51] <rustytaco> gambl0re: Define not working? DOes it see your device (/dev/mmcblk0 for example)
[07:52] <gambl0re> rustytaco: yea i can see it under /dev/mmcblk1p1
[07:52] <gambl0re> i tried formatting the sd card but the old files are still there
[07:52] <de-facto> thats the first partition on it
[07:53] <oerheks> unlock the sdcard with the flip
[07:54] <rustytaco> Does write protect actually work on that? Mine never has on my dell. windows or linux Lol
[07:54] <gambl0re> could anyone help me out?
[07:54] <rustytaco> gambl0re: did you make sure it was unmounted? If so instead of using gparted, why not mkfs the partition?
[07:54] <gambl0re> yes its unmounted
[07:55] <gambl0re> whats mkfs?
[07:55] <rustytaco> gambl0re: What file system do you want it to be? Linux (ext4 or btrfs) or windows (vfat)?
[07:55] <de-facto> gambl0re, just make really sure you are using the correct device (formating wipes everything on the target)
[07:55] <gambl0re> fat 32
[07:56] <gambl0re> its a micro sd card im using for my audio player
[07:56] <rustytaco> Ya mkfs.vfat is what you want. And agreed - make sure you pick the right partition because it'll get wiped
[07:56] <gambl0re> i understand that. 100% im on the right device
[07:56] <rustytaco> Yea you want fat32 for most of those sudo mkfs.vfat /path/to/dev
[07:56] <gambl0re> fdisk -l shows the sd card as /dev/mmcpblk1p1
[07:57] <gambl0re> so do i do mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcpblk1p1 ?
[07:57] <rustytaco> Yea
[07:57] <gambl0re> ok i ran the command. it didnt return any errors
[07:57] <rustytaco> It'll put a fresh fat filesystem of the appropriate type (usually fat32)
[07:58] <rustytaco> echo $?
[07:58] <gambl0re> what?
[07:58] <gambl0re> is that command supposed to wipe the card? cause im still seeing my old music
[07:58] <rustytaco> Type echo $? - if you see 0 that means succcess. Works with any command
[07:58] <rustytaco> mkfs.vfat would wiped it yea
[07:58] <gambl0re> returns 0
[07:59] <rustytaco> Where are you seeing your old music?
[07:59] <gambl0re> on my sd card
[08:00] <gambl0re> im just rebooting my computer making sure i didnt wipe out the os
[08:00] <gambl0re> yea my computer reboots fine
[08:01] <gambl0re> and i still see my old music
[08:02] <rustytaco> Are you sure its mounted? (mountpoint /path/to/mount; echo $?)
[08:03] <ducasse> gambl0re: are there any relevant messages at the end of dmesg?
[08:04] <gambl0re> before i ran mkfs command the card was unmounted.
[08:04] <gambl0re> or was it supposed to be mounted?
[08:05] <rustytaco> Should be unmounted before mkfs'ing it
[08:06] <rustytaco> mkfs should return failure (non-zero) if it couldnt create a fs there. Me thinks its not mounted where you think it is
[08:06] <rustytaco> Failing that, something gone wonky :O
[08:07] <oerheks> if a sdcard does not format, check for errors/filesystem.. but they have told you that before in #linux or #fedora too, no?
[08:09] <gambl0re> dmesg output of last 20 lines or so
[08:09] <gambl0re> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BSGJp-AkH9LSQuhsBhPxIwSfU39R8w5841LdTDt_rOk/edit?usp=sharing
[08:10] <gambl0re> [   57.748908] FAT-fs (mmcblk1p1): Volume was not properly unmounted. Some data may be corrupt. Please run fsck.
[08:10] <gambl0re> [  103.576271] systemd-gpt-auto-generator[2359]: Failed to dissect: Input/output error
[08:10] <gambl0re> y
[08:10] <oerheks> so
[08:10] <oerheks>  check filesystem, gambl0re
[08:10] <oerheks> you know how
[08:11] <gambl0re> check filesystem like what
[08:15] <rustytaco> shouldnt be having fs errors on a freshly made fs -- but normally you'd run fsck /dev/mmcblk1p1
[08:18] <gambl0re> whats vFat signature?
[08:18] <gambl0re> should i remove it?
[08:23] <ztane> yea, my power problem seems to be linux only
[08:28] <ducasse> gambl0re: what's the output of 'uname -a'
[08:31] <gambl0re> ok wtf....i manually deleted all the files in my sd card. i ejected and inserted back and the files came back
[08:33] <oerheks> :-D
[08:35] <rustytaco> Error 519. EUSER - User Error, Replace User.?
[09:01] <dub1t0> Hello
[09:01] <dub1t0> is anybody able to see what i write please?
[09:02] <EriC^> yes
[09:02] <EriC^> dub1t0
[09:04] <ducasse> dub1t0: please don't use this channel for testing your irc client
[09:05] <dub1t0> @Eric thank you
[09:06] <dub1t0> @ducasse it's not the case, i wanted to be part of this community but i wasn't sure if my client works :)
[09:07] <ducasse> dub1t0: it's just that if too many do it it quickly gets really annoying :)
[09:08] <ducasse> dub1t0: if you have a question you are welcome to ask
[09:27] <dub1t0> @ducasse of course
[09:27] <dub1t0> @ducasse i have a question regarding the operating system choice
[09:27] <dub1t0> i am working in IT for more that 10 years
[09:27] <dub1t0> using several OS
[09:28] <dub1t0> such as Windows 98/XP/VISTA/7/10
[09:28] <dub1t0> also macos from Snow Leopard
[09:28] <dub1t0> and linux from Ubuntu 9
[09:28] <dub1t0> as well as debian etc
[09:28] <ducasse> !enter
[09:29] <dub1t0> today as my current job envolves my in web development i would like to choose an os that is as much as possible close to my needs
[09:30] <dub1t0> so basically i need a LAMP or LEMP flexible environment (switgch between php versions) and GIT
[09:30] <dub1t0> and the possible usage of photoshop (even under a VM) would be a bonus
[09:31] <dub1t0> and yeah a good text editor (my prefered one is visual studio code)
[09:34] <dub1t0> if someone may help me please by highlighting the choice that may answer to my need
[09:43] <ducasse> why not go with plain ubuntu desktop? it's a very common platform for web dev
[09:44] <dub1t0> @ducasse what means "plain ubuntu desktop" please? is it the default version from ubuntu.com?
[09:45] <ducasse> yes
[09:45] <dub1t0> and is delivered with GNOME 3 right?.
[09:45] <ducasse> go with 18.04 lts unless you have a reason not to. gnome, yes.
[09:46] <dub1t0> ok thank you :)
[09:46] <dub1t0> i'll try it asap
[09:46] <ducasse> yw
[09:46] <dub1t0> see you later guyw
[09:46] <dub1t0> see you later guys
[10:07] <JustASlacker> hello all
[10:07] <JustASlacker> is there a way to include debian testing packages in ubuntu ?
[10:08] <tarzeau> JustASlacker: sure
[10:09] <tarzeau> JustASlacker: with your own reprepro or using a PPA
[10:09] <tarzeau> https://launchpad.net/~gagarin/+archive/ubuntu/bionic here's my PPA for 18.04
[10:09] <JustASlacker> but can I simply add debian testing in my sources
[10:10] <tarzeau> no
[10:10] <tarzeau> well you can, but you'll destroy your system
[10:10] <ducasse> !frankenbuntu | JustASlacker
[10:10] <tarzeau> it's called frankendebian in #debian
[10:10] <ducasse> !frankenubuntu | JustASlacker
[10:13] <JustASlacker> right
[10:13] <JustASlacker> so, I guess I want ubuntu20 backports
[10:13] <tarzeau> JustASlacker: my offer expires in 30'
[11:59] <oerheks> soon .. 18.04.4 .. hold your breath ..
[12:53] <bitblit> I'm having a weird DHCP issue. When I unplug/plug the physical cable, I get one address, but "dhclient -r eth0; dhclient eth0;" give me a different address. dhclient gives the currently configured dhcp static lease, while physically plugging gives me a previously used static lease.
[12:59] <bitblit> also, the previously used static lease was for a wireless NIC that isn't even plugged in anymore. switched to wired.. so it's not being assigned by MAC.
[13:02] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:39] <trakinas> can anyone give some help with mariadb? I can't add comments larger than 60 characters, although their documentation says it is possible to add comments up to 1024.
[13:39] <trakinas> My version is 10.4.
[13:41] <ducasse> trakinas: which release is this?
[13:42] <frad> i need to transfer 160 MiB of data (several pdf files) from a linux computer to a windows based one, without a usb stick. What online solutions could I use?
[13:42] <frad> no admin privileges on the windows machine
[13:43] <leftyfb> frad: the pc's aren't on the same network?
[13:43] <frad> no leftyfb
[13:43] <ducasse> frad: you can upload to transfer.sh and grab them from there
[13:43] <leftyfb> frad: maybe dropbox?
[13:45] <leftyfb> frad: try #ubuntu-offtopic. Your question isn't really a support question but instead asking for opinions of 3rd party online services.
[13:51] <apurkrt> hi - I am about to update Ubuntu 16.06 installation - is "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" still the right combination?
[13:53] <pragmaticenigma> apurkrt: There is no Ubuntu 16.06... did you mean 16.04... and when you say update, can you be more specific what your goal is?
[13:53] <apurkrt> oops sorry, embarrassed  - 16.04
[13:54] <apurkrt> goal is to update to the most recent versions available for 16.04
[13:54] <apurkrt> (I do not want release upgrade)
[13:54] <pragmaticenigma> apurkrt: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" should set you right
[13:55] <oerheks> apt update && apt dist-upgrade to get all latest packages
[13:55] <oerheks> it does not upgrade to 18.04
[13:55] <apurkrt> pragmaticenigma: thanks
[13:55] <pragmaticenigma> oerheks: Did "apt" exist in 16.04?
[13:55] <oerheks> good spot, no.
[13:55] <apurkrt> oerheks: thank you as well
[13:55] <apurkrt> ah ok
[13:55] <oerheks> apt-get it is
[13:56] <pragmaticenigma> :-)
[13:56] <apurkrt> I do remember doing "apt-get dist-upgrade" in the past
[13:56] <oerheks> dist-upgrade/full-upgrade, there is a slight difference..
[13:56] <apurkrt> what is the difference between "upgrade" and "dist-upgrade", while at it?
[13:56] <pragmaticenigma> apurkrt: I've never really been able to tell a difference
[13:56] <apurkrt> me neither :)
[13:57] <pragmaticenigma> apurkrt: dist-upgrade is "upgrade" but has additional dependency checking and handling to pull in the newest versions of the package that is available.
[13:58] <pragmaticenigma> apurkrt: I think that means if version x.1 was available at the Ubuntu relase time, but the repos now have y.1, it will pull in the newer version, where plain upgrade would give you x.999 (where .999 is the most recent patch release)
[13:59] <apurkrt> thanks, good explanation
[13:59]  * apurkrt looking at "man apt-get"
[13:59] <frad> thx ducasse and leftyfb
[14:00] <apurkrt> pragmaticenigma: thank you
[14:00] <leftyfb> oerheks: yes, apt does exist in 16.04
[14:01] <oerheks> leftyfb, oh, i remember it was -get
[14:01] <oerheks> nevermind
[14:01] <leftyfb> oerheks: both are available
[14:01] <leftyfb> oerheks: apt is also available in 14.04
[14:19] <trakinas> ducasse: 10.4.11-MariaDB-1:10.4.11+maria~bionic
[14:20] <trakinas> Sorry for the late reply, I was in a meeting.
[14:21] <apurkrt> another basic question: will "apt-get upgrade" upgrade (automatically) also the kernel?
[14:21] <apurkrt> or is some manual intervention needed
[14:22] <apurkrt> (naturally, you have to reboot the machine, but asking about new /boot/vmlinuz-... and /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[14:23] <ducasse> !info mariadb-server bionic
[14:24] <ducasse> trakinas: where did you get that - from a third party repo?
[14:24] <trakinas> ducasse: I have to double check. Wait a minute.
[14:25] <ducasse> trakinas: 'apt policy mariadb-server'
[14:26] <trakinas> http://mirror.timeweb.ru/mariadb/repo/10.4/ubuntu
[14:27] <trakinas> Probably from MariaDB download site.
[14:28] <trakinas> Although today ther are showing DigitalOcean mirror.
[14:29] <trakinas> Gonna uninstall this 10.4 and use the 10.1.
[14:32] <trakinas> ducasse: installing 10.1 and keeping 10.4 too.
[15:00] <trakinas> Now I can't get access to my database, nor see my databases when using skip_grant... I'm switching back to 10.4 and see if the data is still there. Then, start digging why official repo from MariaDB is not accepting comments above 60 chars. =/
[15:07] <apurkrt> just to share what I've found: "apt-get upgrade" won't upgrade kernel - "apt-get dist-upgrade" will
[15:08] <oerheks> indeed, and tools/services that require restart
[15:10] <apurkrt> so it is advised to reboot the machine after a dist-upgrade?
[15:10] <leftyfb> trakinas: your issue is with packages from mariadb, not ubuntu. Please seek support from mariadb.
[15:10] <oerheks> there is a trick to show if reboot is needed, kernels alway want a reboot
[15:11] <apurkrt> yeah of course to get new kernel you have to reboot
[15:11] <oerheks> if the file /var/run/reboot-required exist, reboot
[15:11] <apurkrt> (to use)
[15:11] <apurkrt> thank you!
[15:11] <oerheks> yw
[15:12] <trakinas> leftyfb: I already asked them, but got no answer. So I tried here. ;)
[15:12] <leftyfb> trakinas: we cannot support packages from 3rd party sources
[15:12] <oerheks> TADAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[15:12] <oerheks> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/18.04.4/
[15:17] <pragmaticenigma> apurkrt: personally, I reboot every couple weeks, always after kernel updates and microcode updates
[15:18] <trakinas> leftyfb: no problem. It could be a configuration or smth obvious I was missing.
[15:57] <friendofafriend> Sometimes my Ubuntu system gets an IPv6 address when resolving archive.canonical.com and hangs.  What's the best way to completely disable IPv6 so this doesn't keep happening?
[16:09] <pragmaticenigma> !ipv6 | friendofafriend
[16:12] <friendofafriend> Excellent, thanks ubottu!  I might even disable it twice.
[16:16] <Ool> if your ISP give you a real IPV6, it's working fine :)
[16:21] <friendofafriend> Ool: Nah, some IPv6 things work, some don't, so the problem is IPv6 (again).
[16:25] <ses1984> i'm trying to figure it out why when i try to install nginx in 18.04, it's pulling in some modules like `libnginx-mod-http-image-filter` that aren't listed as a dep here: https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/nginx
[16:26] <azx> is sudo apt install <pkgname> the same thing as sudo apt-get install <pkgname>
[16:27] <ses1984> apt is a version of apt-get that's maybe a little nicer to use interactively. it should do basically teh same thing
[16:27] <studentttu> hello, can anyone help me sync some music from cd to my iphone on ubuntu?
[16:27] <ses1984> re my nginx problem: nginx depends on nginx-core, nginx-core depends on the modules
[16:27] <azx> Ok, Thanks!
[16:28] <Ool> friendofafriend: do you have inet6 scope global or just fe80:… scope local?
[16:28] <ses1984> i think "apt is a version of apt-get" might be strictly wrong. they are both ways of interacting with the package system, they provide almost the same functionality
[16:29] <friendofafriend> Ool: Both.
[16:39] <Bashing-om> azx: See: https://mvogt.wordpress.com/2014/04/04/apt-1-0/ ; http://www.howtogeek.com/234583/simplify-command-line-package-management-with-apt-instead-of-apt-get/ .
[16:53] <Elliria> Hey there, does anyone know how long it takes for changes in Debian to trickle down to Ubuntu?
[16:55] <pragmaticenigma> Elliria: Is there a specific package that you're looking for? Have you searched launchpad to see if there is a ticket to integrate it? What kind of update is it?
[16:55] <Elliria> Yep. Debian just updated AutoKey to the latest version after a lengthy version freeze in the Ubuntu releases and I'm curious how long it will be before we see that new version by default in the Ubuntu repositories.
[16:55] <oerheks> sometimes minutes, sometimes weeks, i bet mostly in between
[16:56] <oerheks> if you have a reason for such update, file a !SRU ?
[16:56] <oerheks> !sru
[16:57] <Elliria> Thanks. I've noted it and will look into it.
[16:58] <pragmaticenigma> Elliria: If it is a full version update, then it likely won't be seen until the next full release of Ubuntu. It's rare for major version updates to be pushed out mid support cycle
[17:01] <Elliria> The current version in all recent Ubuntu releases is AutoKey 0.90.4 and the new version in Debian is 0.95.9. Would that be a full version update?
[17:01] <Elliria> Yeah, from a quick look at that SRU page, it probably won't qualify since it does work even though it is somewhat buggy.
[17:01] <Elliria> Task Coach, however, would qualify for an SRU and I think I'll pursue that.
[17:03] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/autokey
[17:03] <oerheks> autokey source package in Sid Version 0.95.9-1 uploaded on 2020-02-10 -- ah oke
[17:18] <alkorda> Good morning! Does anyone else have trouble connecting to Freenode using Polari? I'm getting a small key icon next to the server name that says "Freenode requires a password"
[17:18] <alkorda> Ubuntu 19.10, fresh install.
[17:19] <oerheks> hmm no polari in this list howto do SASL https://freenode.net/kb/answer/sasl
[17:20] <pragmaticenigma> !info polari
[17:21] <pragmaticenigma> alkorda: If you're having difficulties... you could reach out on their IRC channel: #polari
[17:21] <alkorda> That's a good idea, sorry about that. I'll reach out over there.
[17:22] <alkorda> On another note, does anyone know of a program I can use to insert formatted text? For example, using a key combination like Ctrl + Shift + X to insert a formatted email signature.
[17:22] <Elliria> AutoKey does that.
[17:23] <Elliria> You can define hotkeys or typed phrases to trigger each one.
[17:23] <alkorda> Thank you! I'm installing it now.
[17:23] <Elliria> I also just discovered today that you can set any of them to show up in the AutoKey context menu in the tray and you can run them from there with your mouse.
[17:24] <Elliria> It's a blast to play with.
[17:24] <alkorda> Also, sadly no one is in #polari but me. I'm not sure that that's a valid support room
[17:24] <Elliria> It also has an active Google Groups forum.
[17:25] <Elliria> This might be of some use, alkorda: https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Polari
[17:26] <Elliria> It looks like they use a different IRC server.
[17:26] <ioria> alkorda, are you sure is it a polari problem ? have you tried to connect with  xchat ? maybe is about your ISP
[17:27] <joemac> I'm looking for some assistance with a synaptics touchpad
[17:27] <alkorda> Thank you, Elliria. Do you know if the text with Autokey can be formatted? I need to bold some words. Being able to do that is a dealbreaker for using this
[17:27] <Elliria> As long as there's a key combination that will make it happen in the program you're pasting into, you can do it.
[17:28] <alkorda> ioria, I'm not sure. I'm using the freenode webchat right now. Would I be able to connect here if it was an ISP issue?
[17:29] <ioria> alkorda, webchat uses other means, iirc
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> joemac: best to ask your specific question into the channel, so volunteers can think along with you
[17:29] <joemac> I'm using Xubuntu 18.04.4 and had to upgrade to the HWE kernel in order to fix a sleep/resume issue.  Afterwards, I noticed that I lost tap to click on the touchpad
[17:30] <alkorda> Elliria, it doesn't look like Autokey supports directly inserting rich text
[17:30] <Elliria> It doesn't, but if you can press <ctrl>+b to bold the text, then AutoKey can do that.
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> joemac: check touchpad settings in dconf-editor first perhaps?
[17:31] <joemac> ok
[17:31] <joemac> will do
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> joemac: if you cant find them there, might be acpi or kernel related perhaps
[17:34] <joemac> I can't seem to find anything related to synaptics in the dconf editor.  I might be missing it - where should I look?
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> joemac: /org/gnome/desktop/periphals/touchpad/tap-to-click is what you need?
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> joemac: sudo apt install dconf-tools first
[17:35] <Elliria> This is for Debian, joemac, but is if of any use? https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-enable-the-tap-to-click-feature-in-Debian-8-Xfce
[17:35] <joemac> That's probably it - it was toggled off
[17:36] <Bashing-om> joemac: Maybe update the driver ? what shows ' dpkg -l xserver-xorg-input-synaptics-hwe-18.04 xserver-xorg-input-libinput ' ?
[17:38] <joemac> no packages found
[17:38] <joemac> toggled on now in dconf, but does not work
[17:39] <lotuspsychje> joemac: can you pastebin your dmesg please?
[17:39] <joemac> not entirely sure how to do that...
[17:40] <joemac> what is pastebin
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> !paste | joemac
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> joemac: and type dmesg in your favorite terminal
[17:42] <joemac> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zPQRcwDrnH/
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> joemac: thank you, meanwhile please pastebin the same for what Bashing-om asked please?
[17:44] <joemac> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gQ2sBd2ZQ3/
[17:46] <Bashing-om> joemac: No driver ? what type touchpad is this : ' egrep -i 'synap|alps|etps|elan' /proc/bus/input/devices ' ?
[17:46] <joemac> Bashing-om - I will check
[17:48] <J_Darnley> Does anyone know exactly which commands of apt-cache I can use the --installed option with?
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> joemac: psmouse serio1: synaptics: Your touchpad (PNP: LEN205d PNP0f13) says it can support a different bus. If i2c-hid and hid-rmi are not used, you might want to try setting psmouse.synaptics_intertouch to 1 and report this to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:49] <joemac> Bashing-om: It says SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad  (https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SWjtmVwbPN/)
[17:50] <joemac> lotuspsychje: I don't know what i2c-hid and hid-rmi are, so I'm not sure if they are used
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> joemac: check bug #1794876
[17:50] <Bashing-om> joemac: Mo driver is loaded for Synaptics TouchPad. Let's match the driver to the kernel - what shows ' uname -r '?
[17:51] <joemac> Bashing-om: 5.3.0-28-generic
[17:52] <joemac> Oddly, it did work out of the box prior to switching to HWE
[17:52] <lotuspsychje> joemac: probably kernel version related
[17:53] <joemac> lotuspsychje: could very well be
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> joemac: read the bug, and perhaps try a few options they reccomend, or boot into a previous kernel to test
[17:54] <joemac> since it did work in 4.15.0-34-generic.
[17:54] <joemac> ok
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> joemac: once you reproduced, you can affect yourself to the bug
[17:55] <joemac> I'm seeing reports of it affecting the 5.0.0-25-generic kernel
[17:55] <littlekimmy> hi
[17:55] <littlekimmy> is there a ipsec implementation package for ubuntu?
[17:57] <joemac> lotupsychje: I'm seeing reports in bug 1794876 of  un-blacklisting the i2c_i801 module in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[17:58] <stealthy> just ran 18.04 from a usb drive and worked OK, installed it to ssd, reboot, getting login screen that keeps putting me back to login
[17:58] <stealthy> known bug?
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> joemac: you can try that sure
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> stealthy: wich graphics card are you on?
[17:59] <stealthy> 1060 3gb
[17:59] <joemac> lotuspsychje: That's something new for me.  Is there something more involved than just editing the blacklist.conf file?
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> stealthy: try to get in your system with !nomodeset first, then install a latest nvidia driver
[18:00] <Bashing-om> joemac: lotuspsychje Me thinks 5.3.0-28-generic == xserver-xorg-input-synaptics-hwe-18.04 .
[18:00] <stealthy> any pointers on how to do that? sounda french to me
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om joemac sure, can try that first
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset | stealthy
[18:01] <stealthy> ty, i'll give it a try
[18:01] <joemac> Bashing-om: so I should try installing that particular package?
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> stealthy: also make sure at login, you login into xorg and not wayland
[18:03] <stealthy> i have an option for 'ubuntu' amd 'ubuntu on wayland', neither worked
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> stealthy: ok tnx
[18:03] <ses1984> why does nginx-core pacakge in bionic have have hard dependencies on a bunch of modules, like `libnginx-mod-http-image-filter`
[18:04] <joemac> I installed xserver-xorg-input-synaptics-hwe-18.04, but still no tap-to-click
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> joemac: did you try to reboot after?
[18:05] <joemac> ah, no
[18:05] <joemac> rebooting now
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> joemac: dice?
[18:10] <joemac> Yes indeed - that did the trick
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> !cookie | Bashing-om
[18:10] <joemac> Folks in here are batting 1000
[18:11] <joemac> Fixed my suspend/resume yesterday and a niggling little trackpad thing today - excellent
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> joemac: if you have time and a launchpad account, feel free to add your fix to that bug
[18:11] <Bashing-om> yom yom yom chocolate-chip :P
[18:12] <joemac> I do have a launchpad account and I will add the solution to the bug.  Thanks!
[18:13] <stealthy> lol "!nomodeset" the ! threw me off amd didnt work
[18:14] <lotuspsychje> stealthy: the ! ?
[18:15] <stealthy> yea i had to add "nomodeset" without the ! after the quiet thing for it to work
[18:15] <stealthy> lets see if i can get the nvidia drivers to install now
[18:16] <Bashing-om> stealthy: Later systems also disable secure boot ( driver is 3rd party) .
[18:16] <lotuspsychje> stealthy: ubuntu-drivers list, to see wich are available for your card
[18:16] <stealthy> i should not get drivers from nvidia
[18:17] <ses1984> why does nginx-core pacakge in bionic have have hard dependencies on a bunch of modules, like `libnginx-mod-http-image-filter` -- is there a way i can remove these pacakges so apt doesn't try to fix them and put them back?
[18:17] <stealthy> .com?
[18:17] <stealthy> thick fingers small phone, sorry im clicking all over the place lol
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> stealthy: not reccomended no
[18:18] <Bashing-om> stealthy: Nvidia says "Note that many Linux distributions provide their own packages of the NVIDIA Linux Graphics Driver in the distribution's native package management format. This may interact better with the rest of your distribution's framework, and you may want to use this rather than NVIDIA's official package.".
[18:18] <lotuspsychje> ses1984: perhaps use a pastebin of the whole output, so volunteers can see what apt does exactly?
[18:18] <pragmaticenigma> ses1984: Try "nginx-light" intead... you have to have the universe repository enabled.
[18:18] <stealthy> i see, makes sense
[18:19] <pragmaticenigma> ses1984: https://askubuntu.com/a/556382
[18:19] <stealthy> ubuntu-drivers list returns a few, latest being 435, lets see how that goes
[18:20] <Bashing-om> stealthy: Let the system choose best ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade; sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall' .
[18:20] <stealthy> thats probably why i failed and gave up last few times, assuming nvidia.com was vest lol
[18:21] <stealthy> best*
[18:22] <stealthy> reboot time
[18:23] <Bashing-om> stealthy: Some background on why chhose driver from the repo: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2015-August/004693.html
[18:23] <stealthy> awesome, you guys saved me from hours of crap
[18:25] <de-facto> ses1984, this would be the dependency tree for nginx in Ubuntu 18.04 LTS: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vXCqK3qmd7/
[18:26] <ses1984> i guess i want nginx-light, nginx-core depends on modules i dont want
[18:27] <stealthy> mind linking again Bashing-om? on desktop now, easier to read
[18:27] <Bashing-om> stealthy: A long thread but interesting how things came about: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2015-August/004693.html .
[18:28] <stealthy> ty
[18:28] <Bashing-om> stealthy: We aim to please :P
[18:29] <codedmart> Any tips for debugging why I can't seem to get synaptics to load? I have tried what the wiki suggested as well as adding a `/usr/local/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/mouse.conf` file.
[18:29] <codedmart> Oh wrong channel
[18:29] <Bashing-om> codedmart: Maybe right as we just fixed a synaptics issue .
[18:30] <stealthy> 'august 10 2015' , few lines down 'Windows 10', where does time go, didn't realize it's been so long
[18:31] <Bashing-om> stealthy: Yeah ! was not that long ago was on (K)ubuntu 9.04 - wow!
[18:34] <stealthy> remember when they shipped free cd's?
[18:34] <stealthy> :D
[18:42] <J_Darnley> Where can I get kernel debug symbols for 4.15.0-74-generic?
[18:48] <hggdh-msft> J_Darnley: http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-unsigned-4.15.0-74-generic-dbgsym_4.15.0-74.84_amd64.ddeb?
[18:48] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debug%20Symbol%20Packages
[18:48] <J_Darnley> Why can't I find that in apt?
[18:49] <oerheks> the ~ddebs~ part is not activated
[18:50] <J_Darnley> Except for the part where I activated it.
[18:53] <ioria> J_Darnley, it's in bionic-update; maybe you missed that : http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu/dists/bionic-updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages
[18:54] <J_Darnley> Do I only have "bionic" enabled?  What's the difference?
[18:55] <ioria> J_Darnley, in bionic you find 4.15.0-20
[19:39] <alkorda> Hello! I'm runing a fresh install of 19.10 and I'm running into an issue. If my display is turned off due to inactivity, waking it brings me to find that my resolution has changed, and that my actual resolution (3440 x 1440) is unavailable. Restarting resolves the issue. Any idea on what might cause this?
[19:55] <ioria> alkorda, try to lock the screen (Super+l); then resume ; switch to tty3 (ctrl+alt+f3) and back to gui (ctrl+alt+f2)
[19:56] <alkorda> Is that to resolve it when it happens?
[19:59] <ioria> alkorda, so it's just sporadic not persistent ?
[19:59] <alkorda> I'm 90% sure that it only happens if my screen is locked due to inactivity.
[20:00] <shreds> hi, last month apt forced chromium to use snap instead. since then I've had a lot of random issues. now I have a new crazy one, chromium's save dialog font is totally borked: http://0x0.st/i-JL.png so my questions are 1) any idea why this is happening? 2) any way of forcing APT to keep using deb version instead of snap? thanks
[20:01] <ioria> alkorda, set the timeout
[20:01] <alkorda> I'll try that, thanks
[20:01] <ioria> alkorda, system settings -> privacy
[20:03] <ioria> shreds, you can remove the snap and use the ppa ... no ?
[20:04] <shreds> ioria: apt tells me "chromium-browser is already the newest version (79.0.3945.79-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>)" but I've been using ubuntu's default repos, didn't think of trying the ppa! let me try
[20:04] <ioria> shreds, are you on 19.10, right ?
[20:04] <shreds> when deb got transitioned to snap I lost all my profile I had to do excavation work to get it back :O
[20:04] <shreds> ioria: yes 19.10
[20:04] <ioria> ok
[20:05] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/~chromium-team/+archive/ubuntu/stable?field.series_filter=eoan   is behind..
[20:05] <oerheks> oh that pic, have you posted his before?
[20:05] <ioria> https://launchpad.net/~chromium-team/+archive/ubuntu/beta
[20:06] <shreds> oh I should use the beta one?
[20:06] <oerheks> remove the cache and restart chromium?
[20:06] <ioria> shreds, what yoou want
[20:06] <shreds> ok I installed https://launchpad.net/~chromium-team/+archive/ubuntu/stable
[20:07] <shreds> now let me kill chrome, hoping I can get back all my stuff and tabs
[20:07] <ioria> shreds, nope, not the beta, sorry
[20:07] <oerheks> chrome or chromium?
[20:08] <shreds> chromium
[20:08] <ioria> shreds, use stable
[20:09] <shreds> ok got it, now removing the snap pkg
[20:10] <ioria> shreds, beat is available for 19.10 but idk this ppa : https://launchpad.net/~saiarcot895/+archive/ubuntu/chromium-beta
[20:10] <shreds> I still have that old chromium-browser transition deb
[20:10] <ioria> *beta
[20:10] <shreds> dahhhh reinstalling it triggers the snap install
[20:11] <ioria> shreds, really ?
[20:11] <kinghat> in config files like /etc/pam.d/sddm does a - in front of a line also denote a comment out like # does?
[20:11] <shreds> lol it installed a newer chromium version wtf i tried to upgrade and it said there wasn't any like 10 mins ago
[20:11] <shreds> ioria: yeah, maybe the PPA pkg name is different, I'll figure that part out XD
[20:12] <ioria> shreds, try to stop snapd temporary
[20:12] <shreds> oh nice that PPA has hardware video
[20:12] <shreds> I had a hard time getting it to work, chromium was the first browser I had it working out of the box
[20:16] <shreds> ioria: that ppa with hw video seems to work :D it's a different package and doesn't trigger the snap thing
[20:16] <ioria> ok
[20:16] <shreds> ioria: WOW! it opened with my old profile prior to snap transition! THANKS SO MUCH
[20:16] <ioria> shreds, good job
[20:16] <shreds> that snap version sucked so much I'm so happy to have the standard deb version back
[20:16] <shreds> thx :D
[20:18] <shreds> woah that version has even better video support, chrome://gpu is all green yay
[20:23] <gbit86> So am I officially in the ubuntu channel now?
[20:23] <gbit86> double checking here, I was in unregged earlier..
[20:23] <ioria> yes, you are gbit86
[20:23] <gbit86> Ah, thanks for confirming it for me lol.. it has been quite awhile since I have logged into irc to ask for some help.
[20:24] <dbristow> I got ubuntu 18.04.4 already, torrenting it now.
[20:25] <gbit86> I am really hoping to find a xkb expert around here that thinks they know how to remap the Alt+arrow keys to another combination.. Ctrl+arrow keys. I've already successfully mapped Control+arrow keys to stuff like the Home and End keys, but I need to remap alt now..
[20:26] <gbit86> I have this project going on where I am trying to make the linux key maps as much like macOS as possible. https://github.com/rbreaves/kinto
[20:27] <gbit86> I am pretty close, have partial macOS word-wise support added.. but the alt key stuff I think really does need to remap to the actual Ctrl+arrow combination (without it redirecting to what I am redirecting the actual Ctrl+arrow keys to already)..
[20:28] <gbit86> So I guess that's really the challenge. I've seen some people remap Alt to like Hyper and then map back to whatever they really want to do.. but I am not sure I want that or not.. I still want Alt to behave like Alt, except for the arrow keys with Alt.
[20:28] <oerheks> whole topic about this, see https://askubuntu.com/questions/10008/how-to-make-keyboard-work-like-osx-system-wide/1107443#1107443
[20:30] <ioria> gbit86, really idk what you're doing, but for that stuff usually i edit  /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/<>  or use xmodmap
[20:30] <gbit86> @oerheks, thanks I think I have read that thread before but taking another look.
[20:31] <oerheks> gnome-tweak-tool comes in handy, i read
[20:31] <gbit86> @ioria yea I am editing /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/ as well but only in the actual user directory ~/.xkb/ avoiding making actual system changes.
[20:31] <ioria> right, right
[20:32] <gbit86> gnome-tweak-tool doesn't really go far enough, hence creating kinto.sh, it is a dynamic keymapper based on the app you are using (terminal apps vs every other gui app)
[20:32] <kinghat> does a dash, -, comment out a line in a system config file like # does?
[20:32] <gbit86> technically I rewrote it a few weeks back to also support more than those 2 binary categories of apps as well.
[20:35] <gbit86> also I will avoid autokey at all costs.. last time I used it the lag was so bad. And I really don't want to intercept the keys any ways.. I just want to fix the keyboard layout the moment the application type changes.
[20:38] <cgi> how do i remove a service completely from the system? is rm /etc/systemd/system/name.serivce enough
[20:38] <ioria> cgi, what service ?
[20:39] <oerheks> disable would be enough
[20:39] <cgi> ioria, I have some custom services running
[20:40] <oerheks> oh, then you know how those 'custom' services are installed
[20:46] <ses1984> earlier i asked about removing a package that is a dependency of other packages. the reason is it wasn't a hard dependency and i wanted to a known vulnerability to clear from one of my security scans. the fix for me turned out to be installing nginx-light instead of nginx-core which doesn't have deps on the vulnerable module
[20:46] <ses1984> now, i'm trying to get rid of a different vuln. libreoffice depends on libcmis depends on a vulnerable library. libcmis is for sharepoint support and i dont need it
[20:47] <ses1984> how can i remove this package in a way that doesn't make package management fubar on the system
[20:47] <gbit86> @oerheks that thread led back to github and things I had read several months ago.. the solutions mentioned there would work, but are really more complicated than it needs to be at this point. It doesn't focus on using xkb file to solve the problem, which at this point would be the simplest solution and avoid any need of me needing to use 3rd party tools to intercept key presses.
[20:47] <gbit86> xkb files*
[20:48] <gbit86> Also I can avoid any potential sticky key issues if xte was crash or stop running as mentioned in the thread.
[20:51] <gbit86> If I use any additional 3rd party tool it will likely be this one here https://github.com/boppreh/keyboard as it'd be far simpler to implement than anything else I have seen.
[21:06] <gbit86> yea.. the pure python based solution fails to work too -.-
[21:25] <dbristow> Anybody have an idea why ubuntustudio only has 18.04, no updates since then for the 18.04.x series?
[21:27] <dbristow> It's not like it's not being updated, there are 19.04 and 19.10 releases
[21:27] <dbristow> and 18.10
[21:27] <badsektur> when 20.04  comes out, can I upgrade my 18.04  into that?
[21:28] <sarnold> badsektur: yes; but do-release-upgrade may wait a few weeks before it'll work
[21:29] <Bashing-om> badsektur: Affirmed, direct LTS to LTS.
[21:29] <sarnold> badsektur: we normally "advertise" the upgrade path from one LTS to the next after several weeks delay to help make sure the early bugs are worked out
[21:29] <sarnold> dbristow: if you apt update you'll get all the fixes; and you can install an HWE kernel manually if you wish
[21:56] <ctrlbreak> Any idea why I can't download headers for my current kernel?  I'm confused.
[22:03] <jeremy31> ctrlbreak: what is your current kernel?
[22:09] <ctrlbreak> I think I've figured it out...
[22:09] <ctrlbreak> I'm apparently running Linux odroid 4.14.111-139 #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Apr 16 17:31:00 UTC 2019 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linu
[22:10] <ctrlbreak> I believe I have to go to HardKernel to get the matching source.
[22:10] <jeremy31> ctrlbreak: you would likely have to get the headers from the same site as kernel
[22:11] <jeremy31> Might want to find a newer kernel version, that one is 8 months old
[22:13] <TwistedBlizzard> Hi all, I'm trying to do load balancing across 2 network interfaces - all the tutorials I can find are out of date and do not use network-manager and make reference to the old network interface naming scheme.
[22:17] <Darkchaos> Does anyone know a bit about patches to libc/binutils in Ubuntu (as opposed to upstream at Debian)?
[22:24] <tatertots> TwistedBlizzard: network manager doesn't manage bonded/teamed interfaces
[22:25] <sarnold> tatertots: it can do something along those lines via libteam; but there's more conversation in #ubuntu-server at the moment
[22:28] <tatertots> sarnold: ubuntu server default doesn't have network manager ...TwistedBlizzard was the OP/original poster...i have F5 load balancers
[22:29] <sarnold> tatertots: yes, the conversation in #ubuntu-server aimed him towards https://netplan.io/examples#configuring-interface-bonding
[22:29] <TwistedBlizzard> tatertots: Cheers, I'm getting help in #ubuntu-server
[22:30] <Casper26> network-manager for me in 16.04 has the option to create a bond or team?
[22:32] <Casper26> I use bond with two nics and roundrobin as the mode.
[23:48] <Sbur3> Don't know for sure if this is the correct chat room ... but I am trying to get libdvdcss.so.2 so I can do something with my Ubuntu 19.10 system. How do I proceed?
[23:49] <Sbur3> channel list
[23:51] <Bashing-om> !info libdvd-pkg eoan
[23:52] <Bashing-om> Sbur3: ^^ this ?
[23:53] <Sbur3> Bashing-om: If that helps me rip an encrypted dvd, yes
[23:54] <Bashing-om> Sbur3: Looks correct - check: ' apt show libdvd-pkg ' .
[23:55] <Bashing-om> Sbur3: See too: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[23:55] <Sbur3> Bashing-om: Before I can do that, I have a problem.  Type "<!DOCTYPE' is not known ...', followed by "The list of sources could not be read"
[23:56] <Sbur3> Bashing-om: How do I fix that?
[23:58] <hggdh-msft> Sbur3: difficult to help if you do not give us more details/context. Where did it happen? What were you doing? etc.
[23:58] <Bashing-om> Sbur3: Ouch! .. what have you for sources list(s). Pastebin ' cat -n /etc/apt/sources.list ; tail -v -n +1 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* '.


[13:19] <robsta1> hi thorwil
[13:19] <thorwil> hi robsta1
[13:27] <robsta> thorwil: fyi, if nobody stands up to make a theme soon i'll release the css engine 0.3 without one
[13:28] <robsta> maybe a new release attracts designers
[13:30] <thorwil> robsta: what's the status regarding making a theme from a single svg?
[13:31] <robsta> thorwil: rsvg patch committed, not released
[13:34] <thorwil> robsta: should i go with svn or tarball?
[13:34] <robsta> thorwil: svn
[13:34] <robsta> but i need to activate the feature in the engine
[13:35] <robsta> (later today)
[13:35] <thorwil> is there an example/template svg?
[13:35] <robsta> i'll set one up ASAP
[13:36] <thorwil> robsta: i'm interested in that feature mainly for "prototyping" themes, but i guess nothing speaks against using an early attempt with it as example theme
[13:37] <robsta> someone needs to send me an svg file with normal, active, prelight, selected insensitive buttons
[13:37] <robsta> then i'll set up a skeleton
[13:37] <thorwil> only command buttons?
[13:38] <robsta> yes, for a start
[13:40] <thorwil> robsta: ok, will do that
[13:41] <robsta> thorwil: rock
[13:43] <thorwil> robsta: are you going to use named rectangles to find the right areas, similar to jimmac's single canvas workflow for icons?
[13:43] <robsta> thorwil: by xml id
[13:48] <thorwil> robsta: the states you listed are all exclusive, except selected?
[13:49] <robsta> thorwil: all are exclusive, possibly not all are possible
[13:50] <robsta> normal, hover, pressed, insensitive would be a good start
[13:51] <thorwil> robsta: prelight = hover and active = down, right?
[13:51] <robsta> yes
[13:51] <thorwil> robsta: selected is the thing used in dialogs, for the button tied to Enter?
[13:51] <robsta> that's probably something different
[13:52] <robsta> GtkButton[can-default=true] in CSS :)
[13:53] <thorwil> robsta: but it also can't mean has focus, as i just saw a button with dotted rectangle for focus, keeping it during prelight and active
[13:54] <robsta> that's yet something different
[13:54] <thorwil> gtk.STATE_SELECTED	State of a selected item, such the selected row in a list.
[13:55] <robsta> does probably not apply to buttons
[13:55] <thorwil> that's just what i was thinking :)
[13:55] <robsta> that's why i said the other 4 would be a good start
[14:04] <thorwil> robsta: how do you intend to handle the slicing for rounded corners?
[14:06] <robsta> thorwil: http://www.gnome.org/~robsta/gtk-css-engine/screenshots/14-border-image.png
[14:42] <kwwii> thorwil: I like the campfire sketch, very nice :-)
[14:42] <thorwil> kwwii: thanks :)
[14:45]  * _MMA_ mentions that Inkscape SVN has new patches to make the "Blur" plugin use multicores/CPUs. ie: If you use the blur plugin on a pic it now uses multiple processors to render on-screen and to bitmap.
[14:47] <robsta> hey kwwii
[14:51] <kwwii> hey _MMA_, robsta
[14:51] <_MMA_> yo yo.
[14:51] <kwwii> _MMA_: that is probably why it doesn't build on my machine :p
[14:52] <_MMA_> kwwii: As of when? I grabbed it fresh yesterday and it worked fine.
[14:54] <kwwii> _MMA_: it's been a week or so
[14:54] <_MMA_> Try now. People are reporting a 50% speed boost when using blur.
[14:55] <kwwii> _MMA_: in the meantime I have been finishing off the 2d panel icons
[14:55] <kwwii> wow, that sounds amazing
[14:55] <_MMA_> Oh nice. I'll be hittin' Breathe hard in the next couple of days. Maybe Thur/Fri.
[14:56] <kwwii> another thing I've been looking into is having the panel icons use two different themes (one for a dark panel and one ofr a light panel)
[14:56] <kwwii> I think we will have a demo ready for UDS
[14:58] <robsta> kwwii: just so you know, pretty much all set for css themes now :)
[14:59]  * robsta craving for designs now
[14:59] <_MMA_> kwwii: Whenever you have something to test, lemmie know.
[15:13] <kwwii> robsta: cool, I was discussing the gtk-css stuff in a planning session for 9.04
[15:13] <kwwii> robsta: I am definitely pushing forward with making a theme but I guess 9.04 is a bit too early
[15:13] <kwwii> _MMA_: will do
[15:13] <robsta> kwwii: 9.04 hmm, yeah
[15:15] <_MMA_> Well, for default sure. But for *something* maybe not. Maybe someone can do a simple theme that can be shipped?
[15:15] <kwwii> _MMA_: right, that was my plan
[15:15]  * _MMA_ was thinkin' about learning CSS to try his hand at a theme.
[15:17] <robsta> _MMA_: do you know gtkrc?
[15:18] <robsta> anyway, at some point we'll have a template and you may just have to change the inkscape file :)
[15:21] <_MMA_> robsta: Yep. Pretty much.
[15:21] <robsta> _MMA_: then you're all set
[15:21]  * _MMA_ does alot of the hacking on Ubuntu Studio's default theme.
[15:22] <_MMA_> robsta: Can I have a link to the current documentation for the CSS engine?
[15:23] <robsta> documentation?
[15:23] <_MMA_> Yes
[15:23] <robsta> you can look at the existing themes
[15:23] <_MMA_> I understand it's CSS but everything has it's quirks.
[15:24] <_MMA_> So I'm looking for any examples and notes about issues.
[15:24] <robsta> sure, i just didn't get around to write it, also because things have been in a flux
[15:25] <_MMA_> And this is the biggest place we "fail". We create things/code and only we know how to use it.
[15:25] <_MMA_> Documentation is key to get people to do theming.
[15:25] <_MMA_> Cimi actually did pretty well with this with Murrine.
[15:26] <robsta> _MMA_, look, there is limited value in spending half a day on documentation when things are thrown over the day after
[15:26] <robsta> this is just a very young project
[15:26] <_MMA_> I'd love to help creatye buzz for this but I'm sure others will ask the same basic questions I have. :)
[15:26] <_MMA_> *create
[15:27] <robsta> _MMA_: i am very much pro docs and have complete API docs for libccss, the CSS library that's powering the engine
[15:27] <_MMA_> robsta: Them calling for people to test/create things at this point might be premature as well.
[15:27] <_MMA_> *Then
[15:28] <robsta> if you know gtkrc and css it's very natural
[15:28] <_MMA_> And you *seem* to be getting defencive. We're just chattin' here. ;)
[15:28] <_MMA_> *defensive
[15:28] <robsta> _MMA_: i'm not looking for buzz, just a single designer
[15:29] <robsta> an early adopter, who isn't afraid to try someting new
[15:30] <_MMA_> kwwii: Are the panel icons you're working a small set that depend on human?
[15:32] <kwwii> _MMA_: we are still working out how to do it exactly
[15:32] <kwwii> most likely it will be a small set which depends on human, yes
[15:32] <kwwii> but...as always there is a but
[15:32] <_MMA_> Ahh... Ok. Cool
[15:33] <_MMA_> I have no plans to mess with the Studio set but if you get this working I might consider adopting your changes.
[15:34] <kwwii> cool
[15:34] <robsta> _MMA_: no offense, i'm just a bit annoyed having had like half a dozen designers telling me how great it was, but nobody able to send me an svg file with just 4 buttons in it yet
[15:35] <_MMA_> robsta: Sure. It's still no reason to get pissy at someone. ;) Especially being the new guy around here. :)
[15:36] <_MMA_> kwwii: So no work from Mirco (MacSlow) on new GDM?
[15:36] <_MMA_> gah s/work/word
[15:37] <kwwii> _MMA_: actually, I am not sure what is going on with that
[15:37] <_MMA_> Ok.
[15:37] <kwwii> I thought he was close to being done with that
[15:37] <kwwii> since we moved teams around things have gotten a little confusing
[15:37] <kwwii> I still haven't talked to my new boss yet
[15:37] <kwwii> I don't think he knows he is my boss
[15:37] <_MMA_> I see. I'm sure UDS will shed some light on things.
[15:38] <kwwii> hopefully
[15:38] <robsta> _MMA_: i'll work on it if you point out where i was gettig pissy, honestly
[15:38] <_MMA_> haha! He is now? :)
[15:41] <_MMA_> "robsta: _MMA_, look, there is limited value in spending half a day on documentation when things are thrown over the day after" *Usually* in the real world, when this is said with the pause that way it's a but forward/aggressive/shows annoyance. (which you admitted to)
[15:42] <_MMA_> SO though this 'ol interweb here is non-emoting there's a way to say things. Like I said, "We're just chattin' here. ;)".
[15:43] <_MMA_> kwwii: You pushed any changes to Jaunty yet? I'm thinking of taking the font sizes 1pt smaller in Studio.
[15:44] <kwwii> _MMA_: haven't done anything so far other than bug fixing
[15:44] <kwwii> probably a good idea, if you ask me though
[15:45] <kwwii> and now that droid is out in the open, I think we could look into using that
[15:45] <_MMA_> Well, I'm already 1pt smaller than Ubuntu now. :P So I would go to something like 8,8,8,9,8
[15:46] <robsta> _MMA_: i apologise; possibly my thinking to cross-check things with a technically (read: CSS and gtkrc) versed designer before diving into documentation is flawed
[15:46] <_MMA_> np
[15:48] <_MMA_> kwwii: I just felt on 1024x768 things still looked too, "Duplo". SO I've been using 8,8,8,9,8 on 1920x1200 & 1024x768 and it just feels tighter. More polished.
[15:51] <kwwii> _MMA_: one of the first things I do is to reduce them to 9
[15:51] <kwwii> across the board
[15:51] <kwwii> so I undestand you :-)
[15:53] <_MMA_> Yeah. I even felt 9 wasn't tight enough. And though that's what windows is set to, it still *looks* slightly larger. I'll push the change soon and see how things go.
[15:53] <_MMA_> I gotta put out a call for someone to revamp the website. @ years and it's gettin' a *little* stale.
[15:53] <_MMA_> s/@/2
[15:54] <_MMA_> Need a Drupal themer.
[16:27] <thorwil> robsta: you will have your buttons today ;)
[16:28] <robsta> thorwil: \o/
[16:30] <thorwil> robsta: and i don't think the way you approach this is wrong. but there are few designers and most are probably like me in always having several things to work on :)
[16:49] <robsta> thorwil: it's kindof a chicken-and-egg problem
[17:05] <thorwil> 4 button states, quick take: http://xs233.xs.to/xs233/08482/button_states864.png
[17:06] <thorwil> robsta: you got mail. i organised the svg with layers, with rects in the layer "plates" as export targets. just to show how i would do it :)
[17:07] <robsta> thorwil: teh awesomeness
[17:08] <robsta> thorwil: must run now, are you on tomorrow?
[17:08] <thorwil> robsta: sure
[17:09] <robsta> cool, see you
[17:09] <thorwil> cya
[17:09] <robsta> i'll try to do the theme directly from that file
[17:32] <thorwil> _MMA_: http://www.viceland.com/int/v15n11/htdocs/dark-lord-of-logos-302.php
[17:51]  * _MMA_ knows his work well. :P
[17:53] <_MMA_> That interviewer was a tool.
[17:53] <thorwil> didn't read it, just viewed the slideshow :)
[17:54]  * thorwil -> dinner
[19:36] <thorwil> is it even possible that a button will not have focus as soon as you click it?
[19:43] <thorwil> kwwii: can you explain the difference between widget-focus as typically denoted with a dotted rectangle and the default button mark in dialogs (orange border in ubuntu)?
[20:02] <kwwii> thorwil: not sure what you want me to explain
[20:03] <thorwil> kwwii: just got an explanation in gnome-art
[20:03] <thorwil> kwwii: it's about the separated keyboard/enter focus in dialogs
[20:03] <kwwii> thorwil: right, it is about keyboard focus vs. active elements
[20:04] <thorwil> kwwii: it's kinda broken in the Open dialog of Totem as i noted when playing with it to understand the model
[20:05] <thorwil> kwwii: you can tab the focus to the "Supported files" combo. it will then catch and react to enter without having that orange aura
[20:08] <kwwii> hrm, sounds freaky
[20:08] <kwwii> I never liked the doted lines stuff...always seemed unecessary if you don't use a keyboard to navigate to me
[20:08] <thorwil> i don't like the either
[20:09] <thorwil> but having that other way of marking a button for enter-focus makes it much harder to do something else
[20:09] <kwwii> true
[20:11] <thorwil> kwwii: i'm extending that button svg i made for Rob. intention is to include _all_ states/combinations. might put it up with a call for designs. "how should a Ubuntu button look like?"
[20:11] <thorwil> of course i expect silence as answer :}
[20:13] <kwwii> killer, sounds good
[20:13] <kwwii> sorry, putting my son to sleep
[20:14] <kwwii> well, to bed, not to sleep :-)
[20:16] <kwwii> thorwil: didn't see the button svg...link?
[20:17] <thorwil> kwwii: http://xs233.xs.to/xs233/08482/button_states864.png  i only mailed the svg to Rob
[20:18] <kwwii> looks pretty good
[20:19] <thorwil> ty. was a quick job, actually
[20:19] <kwwii> I made a mockup somewhere with new ideas in it, naturally, I cannot find it now
[20:20] <thorwil> heh
[20:28] <kwwii> ahhh, yes...http://sinecera.de/mock.png
[20:28] <kwwii> never got very far with that
[20:30] <thorwil> do i see a hint of a concave surface there?
[20:30] <kwwii> yeah, probably not the best idea, looking at it now it looks a lot like keramik (very popular kde style fromt the 2.0 days)
[20:31] <kwwii> I find that I keep making mockups which look quite like stuff I did 10 years ago :p
[20:32] <thorwil> would be wicked to model actual buttons with hd foam, spray-paint them, light-setup, photos :)
[20:36]  * thorwil has the material but not the tools
[20:37] <kwwii> thorwil: actually, a very good idea
[20:39] <thorwil> kwwii: but how to make it possible?
[20:39] <kwwii> thorwil: in the end it would probably be easier with a renderer anyway
[20:40] <thorwil> i once started to model a button and surface with hole in blender to do the next best thing but didn't get far regarding lighting
[20:41] <kwwii> although I have tried blender a lot I never really liked the interface
[20:41] <thorwil> kwwii: do you have experience with other 3d apps?
[20:41] <kwwii> I tend to use cinema 4D (been using that for like 14-15 years)
[20:42] <kwwii> thorwil: yes, before I got into linux I had a company with a couple of other guys working on music videos, tv commercials, etc
[20:43] <thorwil> oh. tried that once. cinema felt very clumsy to me
[20:43] <kwwii> different strokes for different folks :-)
[20:43] <thorwil> heh, right
[20:43] <kwwii> I just like the modeller in cinema4D
[21:08] <thorwil> damn, time slipping through my fingers :)  good night!


[02:35] <FuriousGeorge> what is it on ubuntu that is seeing the br0 interface i set up and remembering it?
[02:35] <FuriousGeorge> by set up i mean from cli
[02:37] <mybalzitch> /etc/network/interfaces
[02:46] <ChibaPet> My system froze just a while ago and the only thing in the logs was a dbus error. I'm not actually running any graphical software that uses it, so I'm guessing systemd ate itself. Kwality.
[02:54] <ChibaPet> I feel like this will show up a bunch more once we're all using this in enterprise environments.
[03:22] <sypher> ChibaPet: Like RHEL 7 has been using systemd since release?
[03:24] <ChibaPet> sypher: Yes, but it's not actually used in production most places that I can see. EL6 is still the predominant OS.
[03:24] <ChibaPet> And it seems that Ubuntu Trusty is more common than EL6.
[03:25] <ChibaPet> So, not a lot of real-world use yet.
[03:25] <sypher> ChibaPet: I'm a Linux engineer at $dayjob. I highly beg to differ on both of those statements.
[03:25] <ChibaPet> =shrug=
[03:25] <sypher> I see EL6 and EL7 an order of magnitude more often in every client I support. Only two of them use Ubuntu, and its rare.
[03:25] <sypher> And I'd say about a third of them are EL7.
[03:26] <ChibaPet> EL shows up more in big, traditional deployments, but Ubuntu seems to own the cloud.
[03:26] <sypher> Again, my observations don't line up with yours.
[03:26] <ChibaPet> Evidently. :P
[03:27] <sypher> But different industries use different techonologies.
[03:27]  * sypher just woke up, sorry for typos.
[03:27] <ChibaPet> I hadn't noticed a typo, so you're all clear from this end.
[03:28] <sypher> Anyway... systemd, for all that people demonize it, has caused zero problems in any of my clients' deployments. Which, of course, is anecdotal, but that's a lot of anecdotal information.
[03:28]  * sypher shrugs.
[03:28] <ChibaPet> It was recently pretty exciting for EL people using Docker. :P
[03:38] <ChibaPet> Sigh. I guess I should just understand that software crashes sometimes, and that when the logs indicate that it's systemd going bad, I need to take that in the larger context where this is a rare thing. :P
[03:38] <sypher> ChibaPet: Which release are you running?
[03:39] <ChibaPet> This box, Xenial. (Yes, I'd meant my original utterance for a different channel.)
[03:39] <sypher> Ahh. Probably still growing pains, then.
[03:39] <ChibaPet> I hope not, this close to release. :P The thing that sucks is that I have no spoor to use for a bug report.
[04:36] <elh9> if i move my primary graphics card (hd5450) from a x16 slot to a x1 slot, so that i can move my VM dedicated r9 280x to the x16 slot, can i force ubuntu to use the hd5450 instead of defaulting to the primary pcie slot?
[04:37] <elh9> or is this something that would need to be modded in the bios?
[08:37] <elh9> if i move my primary graphics card (hd5450) from a x16 slot to a x1 slot, so that i can move my VM dedicated r9 280x to the x16 slot, can i force ubuntu to use the hd5450 instead of defaulting to the primary pcie slot?
[08:37] <elh9> or is this something that would need to be modded in the bios?
[08:47] <eahmedshendy> Have you ever get error this while using ssh to connect to your server? debug1: Exit status 254
[08:47] <eahmedshendy> Note that we didn't do anythiing related to PAM. and this machine is an Ubuntu instance on Amazon
[09:51] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:18] <ChibaPet> lordievader: Good morning.
[11:18] <lordievader> Hey ChibaPet
[11:18] <lordievader> How are you?
[11:18] <ChibaPet> Not bad. I'm up a bit earlier than is normal for me with some scheduled work.
[11:19] <ChibaPet> And you?
[11:26] <lordievader> I was up very late this morning...
[11:26] <lordievader> But furthermore can't complain.
[11:27] <ChibaPet> Up late is a source of wonder and joy for me. Up early is the questionable one. :)
[15:05] <LaT0rtue_> TELNET:            telnetchat.ddns.net - port 23
[16:26] <atralheaven> hi
[16:44] <teward> This may sound like an odd question, but is there a way to set up a postfix server that my internal network can reach to and then send messages out via a GMail SMTP connection (so everything comes from noreply@domain.tld)?  Being on a home net, my monitoring stuff doesn't email me because residential IP blacklisting happens everywhere
[16:55] <patdk-wk> that is a horrible idea
[16:55] <patdk-wk> I don't believe gmail allows you to just relay anything
[16:55] <patdk-wk> you should never use noreply@
[16:56] <patdk-wk> but otherwise, yes
[17:00] <atralheaven> sorry I was disconnected
[17:00] <atralheaven> i
[17:00] <atralheaven> I don't know if anyone has answered me
[17:02] <teward> patdk-wk: well, there's a google apps account which matches<EMAIL_ADDRESS>so it'd auth up to that account to send.  that's the question
[17:03] <patdk-wk> sure
[17:06] <jrwren> teward: yes, there are ways to do that. You can also use mail services like AWS Simple Mail Service.  You also may be able to use your ISP to relay said messages.