[23:14] <Jon-> Tom22: It looks like somehow EVERYTHING related to gdm got nuked, including your network manager and everything
[23:14] <Tom22> Jon- what can I do ? :(
[23:14] <Resistol> histo, The story goes like this:  1 drive with fubared Vista...  I shrank it and made two partitions.  I had broken vista, but could not install ubuntu (no video after i asked it to start without making changes), so i put on win 7.  That worked fine, but then I removed the old partition and grew win 7 to fill the drive.  Now I'm getting this error...
[23:14] <nicole> so its impossible for virus to run in ubuntu
[23:15] <Typos_King> CalmvsKhaos:    sudo apt-get install p7zip-full xarchive;
[23:15] <Pupuser402> i got a ??  about ubuntu and dial up
[23:15] <Mixxit> viruses are just software
[23:15] <histo> Resistol: you getting the error booting windows 7?
[23:15] <Resistol> ya
[23:15] <histo> !grub | Resistol
[23:15] <Sebas[Away]> Well, what else would viruses be?
[23:16] <Lonely-Troll> Sebas[Away] SARS?
[23:16] <Jon-> Tom22: Find someone more quallified than me. lol  I can try to help though. I am newer to Ubuntu too
[23:16] <histo> Resistol: are you trying to dualboot windows 7 and ubuntu?
[23:16] <Sebas[Away]> Haha
[23:16] <Akkernight> Typos_King, well it worked to boot my Ubuntu back, but now what do I do to be able to choose between Ubuntu and WinXP?
[23:16] <Lonely-Troll> Sebas[Away] A2N1?
[23:16] <Pupuser402> mom has ubuntu and dialup but it aint seeing her card so she cant get on internet anything i can do to fix it?
[23:16] <Sebasman2> I JUST LOST THE GAME
[23:16] <kremlon> hi.... i know how to move a directory's  contents into another directiory like this: mv /dir/subdir/* /dir/subdir   but how do i just move the full directory into another directory?
[23:16] <Tom22> Jon- Think that its worth just re-installing?
[23:16] <Typos_King> hehe
[23:16] <Trek> !ot | Sebasman2 / Lonely-Troll
[23:16] <Lonely-Troll> Sebasman2 What a shame..
[23:17] <Jon-> Tom22: Try sudo apt-get install nm-applet
[23:17] <histo> Tom22: why not try to move your .gconf folder ?  lik boot up and then mv .gconf .gconf_old    log out and log back in see if its fixed if so you know its some setting in gconf
[23:17] <Resistol> histo, i would love to, but i can' get ubuntu on the computer... and now i can't even get win 7 to boot
[23:17] <Resistol> maybe i can get ubuntu on using wubi, but only after i get win7 to boot
[23:17] <Trek> Resistol: hardware failure?
[23:17] <trinikrono> rip windows 7
[23:17] <IdleOne> !dialup | Pupuser402
[23:17] <Typos_King> Akkernight:    now in ubuntu, mount the xp partition, I don't think it needs to be mountted, but anyway, mount it,  delete the grub.cfg and recreate it -> sudo rm /boot/grub/grub.cfg;sudo update-grub;
[23:17] <Tom22> Jon- How would I go about doing that?
[23:18] <histo> Resistol: ahh so windows 7 boot loader is fubar'd.  Try booting the 7 cd and see if they have a fixmbr option like xp/vista etc...
[23:18] <Pupuser402> ok thank you
[23:18] <Resistol> Trek, no the hard drive is fine.  the boot manager is just confused apparently - after changing from sda2 to sda1, it's freaking out
[23:18] <kremlon>  hi.... i know how to move a directory's  contents into another directiory like this: mv /dir/subdir/* /dir/subdir   but how do i just move the full directory into another directory?
[23:18] <Tom22> histo how would i go about doing that?
[23:18] <Jon-> Tom22: Do you have xterm open?
[23:18] <Akkernight> Typos_King, how was it I mounted a partition?
[23:18] <Resistol> histo, I've tried everything on http://neosmart.net/wiki/display/EBCD/Recovering+the+Vista+Bootloader+from+the+DVD
[23:18] <Trek> Resistol, reinstall the bootloader, get SuperGrubDisk or whatever its called
[23:18] <Tom22> Jon- Unfortunately not, Its just 1 computer, every time I need to re-boot.
[23:18] <Trek> !grub | Resistol
[23:18] <Typos_King> Akkernight:    in ubuntu, you can do it through the menus, in the file manager
[23:18] <Jon-> Tom22: Damnit. No other PCs hmm?
[23:18] <histo> Trek: he's running wubi inside of 7
[23:18] <histo> Resistol: hold up let me find you direcitons
[23:19] <Resistol> Trek, could i use grub to load windows instead of windows boot loader?
[23:19] <Resistol> or would grub just point to the windows loader?
[23:19] <swordz> histo - there may be no errors but it's also not downloading any packages
[23:19] <Akkernight> Typos_King, oh that..
[23:19] <Trek> Resistol: I use GRUB just to switch from XP and 7 :P  but you might consider waiting for histo to find you instructions for reloading the windows boot loader
[23:19] <Tom22> Jon- Not thats working, nope :(
[23:19] <Zenker> does anyone know what size the skydome image for compiz that will not be stretched to fit?
[23:19] <Jon-> Tom22: Ugh. Hold on.
[23:19] <Trek> Resistol: or let me see what my technicians repair CD has for repairing the MBR
[23:20] <Tom22> Jon- I'm wondering whether to just do a re-format? this seems alot of trouble :(
[23:20] <Trek> Resistol: if it has a repair tool for MBR, then I'll refer you to a downloader for the ISO ;P
[23:20] <Jon-> Guys - Tom22 has lost all of his GNOME related packages including GDM. He has to reboot to access xterm. Where can I find a list of all of these packages for him? I don't want him to get screwed here, he's new to Ubuntu. Someone with more qualification than me, please help.
[23:20] <Zenker> that is, when the animate option is turned on?
[23:20] <Akkernight> Typos_King, awesome, it found windows, now to try again
[23:21] <histo> Tom22: boot to the linux box then in xterm run the command mv .gconf .gconf_old  then sudo reboot
[23:21] <histo> Tom22: or hit ctrl+alt+f1 to get a virtual console and sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart   then log back in see fi you get a gnome desktop
[23:21] <histo> Tom22: ctrl+alt+f7 will get you back to X if need be if it doesn't auto switch
[23:21] <histo> Resistol: http://www.ehow.com/how_4836283_repair-mbr-windows.html
[23:21] <histo> Resistol: that will allow you to get windows 7 to boot then you'll have to look at fixing wubi. I don't think it installs grub it just modifies windows bootloader
[23:21] <FloodBot2> histo: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:21] <chris_lenz123> ..
[23:21] <chris_lenz123> ..
[23:21] <chris_lenz123> ..
[23:21] <histo> Resistol: that will allow you to get windows 7 to boot then you'll have to look at fixing wubi. I don't think it installs grub it just modifies windows bootloader
[23:21] <histo> Resistol: wth it didn't post the link hold up
[23:22] <histo> Resistol: http://www.ehow.com/how_4836283_repair-mbr-windows.html
[23:22] <histo> Tom22: no its not you can see if its a configuration issue like I explained
[23:22] <Resistol> histo, i've already done that and more (the link I posted:  http://neosmart.net/wiki/display/EBCD/Recovering+the+Vista+Bootloader+from+the+DVD )
[23:23] <tuxuser___> hal: thank you
[23:23] <histo> Tom22: boot to linux and when you get to the xterm just mv .gconf .gconf_old  then restart X..  Hit ctrl+alt+f1 and login type in sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[23:23] <Jon-> histo: I think he sees his GDM now but doesn't have network manager installed [ie all GNOME packages got nuked when he lost GDM]
[23:23] <Jon-> Tom22: Do you get GNOME when you boot now or still only xterm?
[23:23] <Tom22> histo ok, let me somehow write that down
[23:23] <histo> Jon-: no his session is jacked and he lost gnome loading its loading just failsafe X with xterm
[23:23] <Tom22> Jon- XTERM. No gnome
[23:24] <GSwindle76> Hello, im having problems with my ssh keep getting timed out, but i was able to get in once and timed out a short time later..
[23:24] <histo> Jon-: Tom22 he just has to figure out how to delete the session settings and restart gdm
[23:24] <zvacet> Tom22:  sudo aptitude install gdm
[23:24] <histo> zvacet: he has gdm
[23:24] <Typos_King> Tom22:    tried doing a fsck or e2fsck -c on it?
[23:24] <Lonely-Troll> Hello, again :)
[23:24] <Jon-> Tom22: You can follow histos advice above
[23:24] <zvacet> histo:  sorry didn´t know that
[23:24] <Lonely-Troll> Tom22: You can follow the white rabbit!
[23:24] <histo> Tom22: let me do some more reading hold up
[23:25] <Tom22> Ok Jon- :) thank you for all your help :)
[23:25] <Tom22> Typos_King what is that?
[23:25] <tuxuser___> GSwindle76: does it timeout when you don't type for a while or in the middle of an active session (i.e. while you're working it suddenly timeouts) ?
[23:26] <histo> Tom22: I know there is a better way to do this let me find it
[23:26] <Jon-> Tom22: Hit me up if it didn't work and histo is unavailable.
[23:26] <Tom22> Jon- Okay thanks :)
[23:26] <GSwindle76> tuxuser__: no when i try to log on
[23:27] <Typos_King> Tom22:    filesystem checker, usually if something went south on the last session and say, there are crosslinked files or something is picked  up off, it may drop you to a recovery console, or do a quick 'fsck', but you can do one from a live-cd
[23:27] <Tom22> histo okay
[23:27] <Tom22> Typos_King okay :P I would need help with that though, I'm a bit too notivice :(
[23:27] <tuxuser> GSwindle76: do you have control over the ssh server ?
[23:27] <GSwindle76> yes
[23:27] <Typos_King> Tom22:    e2fsck -c /dev/DEVHERE; is usually to do a full surface scan and disk check
[23:27] <Resistol> i gotta run... if anyone thinks of anything Please let me know!!!  Thx
[23:28] <Zenker> can someone tell me what size an image needs to be for the skydome to where when animate is on the image will not be stretched at all?
[23:28] <histo> Tom22: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[23:28] <tuxuser> GSwindle76: any kind of firewall on that server ?
[23:28] <histo> Tom22: should let you select the default sessino from failsafe to gnome
[23:29] <lol> =S
[23:29] <histo> Tom22: also there maybe a .dmrc file in your home
[23:29] <GSwindle76> tuxuser: its from mint through a router to mint..
[23:29] <histo> Tom22: but the dpkg-reconfigure should get you what you want
[23:29] <GSwindle76> does mint install a firewall?
[23:29] <Mechdave> G'day all, anyone know why gpsbabel can no longer access the usb ports on a garmin gps any more? Something to do with the deprecation of plugdev?
[23:29] <Tom22> okay histo
[23:30] <GSwindle76> i can ping the server
[23:30] <tuxuser> GSwindle76: Good, but you should nmap the server, at least on port 22.
[23:30] <progre55> hi ppl! how do you recursively delete certain directories on a terminal (I guess using "find")? For instance, I want to delete all the .svn/ dirs from a project..
[23:30] <GSwindle76> nmap?
[23:30] <Tom22> histo, I will try this now. If it doesn't work, I need to go to bed, early start tomorrow morning. So thank you very much for the help :D
[23:30] <tuxuser> GSwindle76: nmap -p 22 <server_ip> (if I remember correctly)
[23:30] <sandra> olaa
[23:30] <Nollog> Can one edit a connection to an ftp in "my places" or must one create a new one each time?
[23:30] <Typos_King> progre55:    rm -fr .svn
[23:30] <maco> progre55: could do it that way, but i think you want "svn export"
[23:31] <maco> Typos_King: .svn exists within every directory, so no
[23:31] <Guest92792> does any know how to scan for windows viruses on linux system, caue i'm using a dual boot system and got a nasty virus on my windows parttion =S
[23:31] <tuxuser> GSwindle76: nmap is a port scanner; you give it an ip and i tells you what ports are open, closed or firewalled on that host.
[23:31] <GSwindle76> okay on the server?
[23:31] <sandra> olaa
[23:31] <Guest92792> nmap is more like a hacking tool lol
[23:31] <maco> progre55: the find way would be:  for i in $(find . -name .svn) ; do rm -rf $i ; done
[23:31] <maco> progre55: i think
[23:31] <nowimproved> Anyone use the ps3 eye as a webcam in linux with flash?
[23:31] <Typos_King> ...mmmhmm didn't see that one
[23:31] <repo_man> !es sandra
[23:31] <progre55> maco: just type "svn export"? but I dont want to remove it from the svn repos from the server
[23:31] <repo_man> !es | sandra
[23:31] <tuxuser> GSwindle76: no, you should run it from the client to the server
[23:31] <sandra> olaaç
[23:32] <maco> progre55: it wont remove it from the servers, itll export a directory that's "clean"
[23:32] <Guest92792> does any know how to scan for windows viruses on linux system, caue i'm using a dual boot system and got a nasty virus on my windows parttion =S
[23:32] <sandra> illo kien ere el k a ixo es sandra
[23:32] <Typos_King> lol
[23:32] <zvacet> !antivirus | Guest92792
[23:32] <progre55> maco: thanks man, let me try the find way first =)
[23:32] <progre55> maco: appreciate
[23:32] <GSwindle76> It says its open
[23:32] <sandra> olaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[23:32] <histo> Tom22: np
[23:33] <repo_man> Guest92792: the safest thing would be to get rid of the windows partition entirely
[23:33] <sandra> illo
[23:33] <Typos_King> Guest92792:    malicious code for win32 usually will only target win32 systems, there's a probability of 0 it affected the *nix partition
[23:33] <sandra> illoooooooooooo
[23:33] <progre55> maco: awesome, it worked =) thanks man
[23:33] <komies> I'm having what is probably an easily fixable problem, but I've googled it to no avail. On my upper taskbar where programs/places/etc usually is... all those menus are gone. How do I put them back?
[23:33] <arand> !es | sandra
[23:33] <histo> Tom22: also is autologin enabled?
[23:33] <Guest92792> I know
[23:33] <maco> progre55: no problem
[23:33] <zvacet> sandra:  say it in English please
[23:33] <repo_man> Guest92792: well if you give me access to your computer i can attempt to get rid of the virus for you
[23:33] <Typos_King> Guest92792:    soooo, why bother checking for what you won't find?
[23:33] <Guest92792> I'm trying to get rid of the virus on my windows partition =/ (dual system for the win) ;p
[23:33] <sandra> nosee
[23:33] <histo> komies: is the panel still there?
[23:33] <sandra> inglis
[23:34] <Guest92792> and lol repo man =X
[23:34] <sandra> español
[23:34] <LIPS> Guest92792, lol we're not going to help you with that.
[23:34] <Guest92792> =-(
[23:34] <komies> the panel as in the entire bar? yes, that's still there, along with everything else, it's just the dropdowns that are missing
[23:34] <Typos_King> Guest92792:     ohhh get rid of the win32 partition virus while mounted in *nix?
[23:34] <GSwindle76> tuxuser: nmap says the port is open.
[23:34] <sunkoo> please tell me the opendns's ip address  thx
[23:34] <Guest92792> yea kind of xD
[23:34] <sandra> savei avla en españo
[23:35] <sandra> olii
[23:35] <Typos_King> Guest92792:     what about using a win32 live-cd? no good? and running an antivirus from a mounted usb?
[23:35] <histo> komies: ahh okay hold up let me see
[23:35] <sandra> come polla andaa
[23:35] <Guest92792> Just using a viruscanner on linux to get rid of a windows virus
[23:35] <komies> thanks, I appreciate it histo :)
[23:35] <tuxuser> GSwindle76: well, if you have access to that server, you should have a look at sshd logs, at least try to restart the sshd daemon...
[23:35] <repo_man> sandra: vete a la mierda, también su país es una mierda
[23:35] <Guest92792> don't have 1 that's the whole point =-(
[23:35] <tuxuser> Guest92792: clamav
[23:35] <sunkoo> who can  tell me openDNS  ip thx
[23:35] <Guest92792> alreayd tried that
[23:35] <Typos_King> Guest92792:     what if you can get one? an .iso you can burn
[23:35] <axisys_> i am getting this "ipw2200: Firmware error detected.  Restarting" on karmic w/2.6.31-20 kernel
[23:35] <tuxuser> Guest92792: and ?
[23:36] <histo> komies: http://www.watchingthenet.com/restore-panels-in-ubuntu-back-to-their-default-settings.html
[23:36] <sandra> reo_man kien ere illo save a abla en español¿?
[23:36] <tuxuser> Guest92792: I mean, did it find the virus ?
[23:36] <Guest92792> tried to scan the /media where the C+D windows disc usually loacted
[23:36] <Guest92792> but I won't work =X
[23:36] <komies> thanks histo :)
[23:36] <Typos_King> Guest92792:     what if you can get one? an .iso you can burn
[23:36] <Typos_King> !es | sandra
[23:36] <axisys_> it looks already reported in 2009
[23:36] <tuxuser> Guest92792: what do you mean ?
[23:36] <axisys_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/352150
[23:36] <Mechdave> Any GPSbabel experts around? I am having an access denied problem with usb:0, any pointers now that plugdev is deprecated?
[23:36] <histo> komies: basically three commands
[23:37] <arand> Guest92792: Since there are no real good (clamav, no, i.m.o.) tools for scanning for win viruses installable easily in ubuntu, I'd go for something like: http://www.f-secure.com/en_EMEA/security/security-lab/tools-and-services/rescue-cd/ (or equivalent for your favourite av vendor..)
[23:37] <axisys_> should i replace network-manager w/ wicd ?
[23:37] <Zenker> sandra Por favor vaya a utilizar y el traductor de esa manera todavía podemos ayudarle a
[23:37] <Zenker> http://translate.google.com/
[23:37] <GSwindle76> tuxuser: okay ill take a look
[23:37] <Guest92792> btw Is it possible to get a file on USB while using a Linux distribution
[23:37] <histo> komies: gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/apnel  then rm -rf ~/.gconf/apps/panel then pkill gnome-panel
[23:37] <Guest92792> ?
[23:37] <tuxuser> GSwindle76: sorry I can't be more specific. That's what I'd do given the info you provided... HTH
[23:37] <trinikrono> of course
[23:37] <trinikrono> just stick in the usb
[23:37] <histo> Guest92792: yes
[23:37] <Guest92792> If that's possible then i could mount a virusscanner to scan ^^
[23:37] <Shazbutts> mount the USB and drag n' drop...
[23:37] <histo> Guest92792: you just plug in the usb stick
[23:38] <Typos_King> Guest92792:     if you know where the file is and what it's, yes, but most likely the virus already has a backup and who knows where they may be
[23:38] <histo> Guest92792: yes then you can use clamav to scan the stick
[23:38] <komies> histo: that fixed it. Thanks so much :)
[23:38] <Guest92792> alreayd did taht but nothign happened =X
[23:38] <histo> komies: np
[23:38] <Typos_King> Guest92792:     or even what names they'd be
[23:38] <trinikrono> wai for it jump up
[23:38] <Guest92792> um.. I don't get it =X
[23:38] <trinikrono> it would open in a window
[23:38] <histo> Guest92792: plug int he usb thumb drive and lsusb
[23:38] <histo> Guest92792: see if its showing up
[23:38] <Guest92792> let me try
[23:39] <tuxuser> Guest92792: scanning a usb stick with an antivirus is going to shorten its life...
[23:39] <tuxuser> Guest92792: (wearing)
[23:39] <Guest92792> lol
[23:39] <GSwindle76> tuxuser: where would i find the ssh logs? i restarted and i still have the same problem
[23:40] <Guest92792> No yo're misunderstand  I mean get a viruscanner, live disc on usb stick
[23:40] <nowimproved> I'm using flash version 10.1, with the ps eye, and it detects the camera, but it shows nothing, any idea?
[23:40] <Guest92792> with linux
[23:40] <histo> Guest92792: yeah you can install ubuntu to the usb drive and add clamav to it
[23:40] <Guest92792> + nothing happened
[23:40] <bigtom21485> I need help with my sound on my laptop
[23:40] <Guest92792> how i do that?
[23:40] <histo> Guest92792: You want to boot a distro off of the usb then scan the local drive right?
[23:41] <Guest92792> +I don't have a ubuntu ditro either =X
[23:41] <IdleOne>  so I need to delete a large number of files. 80 or so gigs and I am wondering is there any reason why I wouldn't just select them all and delete?
[23:41] <Guest92792> YEs lol
[23:41] <histo> !usb | Guest92792
[23:41] <histo> Guest92792: follow the second link for a persistant install on usb
[23:41] <Guest92792> bash: !usb: event not found
[23:41] <histo> Guest92792: wait for ubottu to say what it says
[23:41] <arand> Guest92792: I think the easiest would be to go for the liveCD I referenced. (And this really is more appropriate for ##windows channel...)
[23:41] <Typos_King> lol
[23:41] <metalf8801> Guest92792 BitDefender makes a better Anti-virus scanner for Linux that's free to use but its not open source like Clamav
[23:42] <histo> arand: not really he wants ubuntu off usb to scan for viruses
[23:42] <histo> what happened to ubottu
[23:42] <kaolbrec> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[23:42] <histo> !usb > Guest92792
[23:42] <Guest92792> Yea somehow I always get virus on my windows OS =X
[23:42] <kaolbrec> I don't know, but that's the link he wants
[23:42] <arand> histo: Yes, but I would never reccomend anyone to use clamav for it.
[23:42] <histo> Guest92792: there you go check the pm from ubottu
[23:42] <Guest92792> so a usb mount would be handy
[23:42] <Guest92792> :P
[23:42] <Guest92792> alright
[23:43] <histo> Guest92792: or you can run linux then you won't get viruses
[23:43] <histo> !virus | Guest92792
[23:44] <tuxuser> GSwindle76: /var/log/auth.log
[23:44] <sickly> can someone tell me how to mount exFat in ubuntu?
[23:44] <Typos_King> Guest92792:     it happens, the issue is, you need to keep some healthy/good image of your system, for when something like this happens, preferably a current-system image
[23:44] <sickly> or if u can>
[23:44] <metalf8801> Ubuntu 9.10 won't turnoff its stops at
[23:44] <metalf8801> deactivating swap...
[23:44] <metalf8801> and doesn't do anything (this is not a Wubi install) any ideas?
[23:46] <tuxuser> metalf8801: try booting into recovery mode and shutdown from that, and see what the logs tell you...
[23:46] <histo> Guest92792: here are some options for which antivirus apps are avialible https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Antivirus
[23:46] <GSwindle76> tuxuser: okay i can login via localhost ( ssh -v local host ) im running it on port 22 the logs see the attempted connection from my client. any other ideas?
[23:47] <lkvv> irc://irc.synirc.net
[23:47] <Guest92792> alreayd saw that page but thanks anyways ^__^
[23:47] <tuxuser> GSwindle76: while you keep watching the logs, try to log in from the other computer, that's what I'd do.
[23:47] <GSwindle76> tuxuser: i was able to log in once for a few seconds today then it timed out...btw
[23:47] <GSwindle76> i did
[23:47] <histo> GSwindle76: firewall issue?
[23:48] <Typos_King> Guest92792:     what about using a win32 live-cd? no good? and running an antivirus from a mounted usb?
[23:48] <tuxuser> GSwindle76: to check for firewall rules: iptables -v -n -L
[23:49] <metalf8801> tuxuser ok ill try that now
[23:49] <metalf8801> thanks
[23:49] <GSwindle76> i see nothing on the tables... going to google
[23:49] <histo> GSwindle76: so what is the problem yuou an ssh from the network tot he box but you can ssh localhostj?
[23:49] <tuxuser> GSwindle76: you mean policy Accept and no rules ?
[23:49] <Guest92792> already told ya don't have a win live cd or antivirus mounted on a usb =X
[23:49] <nowimproved> GSwindle76, good luck sifting through the mindfields of useless information
[23:50] <histo> GSwindle76: you might want to check with the mint people
[23:50] <Guest92792> that's why I asked if thre was a way to get a AV on a USB stick using linux
[23:51] <GSwindle76> i keep timing out while tring to login to ssh... i can ping the server but i cant log in
[23:51] <GSwindle76> and the server sees me trying to connect
[23:52] <tuxuser> GSwindle76: post sshd lines in auth.log and output of iptables -v -n -L
[23:52] <histo> Guest92792: yes you can thats why I gave you directions for getting ubuntu on a usb stick then you can add an antivirus software to it to scan the windows drive
[23:52] <Typos_King> Guest92792:     what if you can get one? an .iso you can burn
[23:52] <Typos_King> Guest92792:     no?
[23:52] <GSwindle76> okay sec
[23:53] <Guest92792> DOn't get t =S
[23:53] <Guest92792> I 'm kind of newbie with linux =X
[23:53] <Typos_King> Guest92792:     if you had a live win32 cd, would you use it?
[23:54] <Appetite> What is the best way to add a script to startup?
[23:55] <GSwindle76> http://paste.ubuntu.com/399023/
[23:55] <GSwindle76> i also put in there tcpdump
[23:55] <Guest92792> ofcourse I would lol
[23:55] <Typos_King> Appetite:   DM session startup, bootup startup, window manager startup, bash startup?
[23:56] <soreau> Appetite: depends if the script needs root permissions or should be ran as user
[23:56] <Guest92792> I think to format my C:/ and reinstall everything again >..<
[23:56] <Typos_King> Guest92792:     do you have a burner?   a cdrw
[23:56] <Mixxit> i gotta shoot thank you all for your help i'm cooking
[23:56] <Guest92792> thinking*
[23:56] <Guest92792> Yes I do
[23:56] <Typos_King> Guest92792:     and a blank cd
[23:56] <Guest92792> lots of them =p
[23:56] <Appetite> soreau: it doesn' NEED root permission, but i want it to start when the computer does (like apache2, mysqld, etc)
[23:56] <histo> GSwindle76: you need to accept the rsa key did you get a prompt for that you aren't answering on the client?
[23:56] <Guest92792> + root to =p
[23:56] <webereinc> Anyone help with Squirrelmail plugin
[23:57] <lukus> hi - should the lucid beta be available yet?
[23:57] <lukus> when i do a dist-upgrade i get nothing
[23:57] <lukus> should I change any repos?
[23:57] <soreau> Appetite: If it does not need to be run as root, you can put it in your session startup in sys>prefs
[23:57] <nuki_> Anyone here familiar with Adito?
[23:57] <tuxuser> GSwindle76: ok, no firewall prob I see. But is the log referred to when you tried to connect with ssh from the client pc ?
[23:57] <GSwindle76> no i thought i had that all set up
[23:57] <airtonix> !enter
[23:57] <airtonix> !lucid | lukus
[23:57] <GSwindle76> thats the server side want the client side?
[23:58] <airtonix> !who > GSwindle76
[23:58] <lukus> airtonix, well .. thx
[23:58] <blackmamba> does anyone here do online schooling through a framework called D2L (desire2learn)
[23:58] <webereinc> Anyone know why Squirrelmail plugin for view_unsafe_images shows no options page?
[23:58] <airtonix> blackmamba, what is your real question
[23:58] <tuxuser> GSwindle76: I ask because I see "Accepted password for greg from <IP_ADDRESS> port 58503 ssh2"
[23:58] <airtonix> !anyone > blackmamba
[23:58] <Typos_King> Guest92792:     http://www.hirensbootcd.net/   <--- I use the 10.1, dunno on the 10.2, the 10.1 works very well, it has bunches of apps among there antiviruses too I think, not sure how updated, but you can get other 'portable' AV from http://www.portablefreeware.com/all.php   which do not require any install and will run from a usb
[23:58] <blackmamba> airstrike, wondring if there is a way to get the webpages to load faster
[23:59] <Guest92792> ok let me check
[23:59] <GSwindle76> tuxuser: yes thats from the server side
[23:59] <airtonix> blackmamba, talked the it staff at the school yet ?
[23:59] <tuxuser> GSwindle76: and then only desktop-logl lines
[23:59] <Typos_King> Guest92792:     and you can burn that in ubuntu :P~
[23:59] <linxeh> blackmamba: I'm in the UK. nobody seems to have a desire to learn or do anything - they just want everything given to them for nothing :(
[23:59] <blackmamba> yes none of them use linux
[23:59] <Guest92792> ^__^
[23:59] <blackmamba> plus the system wasnt designed by them
[23:59] <airtonix> blackmamba, it doesnt matter... because you havent determined if the server is being traffic shaped on purpose.
[23:59] <GSwindle76> what do you need from the client
[23:59] <blackmamba> il give u n exampe of how long it takes to lead the webapge


[17:23] <penguin42> Alert level 4 - panic more
[17:24]  * zxmpi hoards terry chocolate oranges faster
[17:26] <davef> mmm.. chocolate orange would be nice, if i could smell it -_-
[17:27] <penguin42> davef: Did you get the test back?
[17:28] <davef> not yet
[17:30] <davef> they said 1-3 days for the result
[17:30] <davef> the good news is that i'm still breathing
[17:31] <davef> i have my doubts it's the 'rona, because i've had no fever
[17:32] <penguin42> they say the symptoms vary a heck of a lot, especially if you've been vaccinated
[17:32] <zxmpi> with every version of covid they rewrite the symptoms and some skip any or all of them
[17:32] <zxmpi> that's what makes covid so nasty as so many people wandering around with zero symptoms spreading it
[17:32] <davef> if it is covid, here's hoping it's the latest release then i can be one of the cool kids
[17:34] <zxmpi> omicron is still so new we're not even sure what the symptoms or if it's better or worse than delta death wise
[17:37] <penguin42> for all we know, Omicron could make people start liking marmite after a month
[17:39] <zxmpi> marmite zombies roaming the land attacking supermarkets for their yeasty fix
[17:39] <zxmpi> i'd watch that movie
[17:39] <penguin42> quick, phone Simon Pegg
[17:40] <zxmpi> falling back to the canned goods aisle and using the cans as ammunition to fend off the hoard
[22:03] <diddledani> well that was a bonkers finish to the f1
[22:07] <zxmpi> won by the safety car? :-P
[22:49] <daftykins> it popped down under the finger, then rose up again!
[22:49] <daftykins> ;)


[00:09] <epkugelmass> where is the appropriate place to file a bug for a kernel/Xorg segfault?
[00:13] <lun4tic> hallo again... *sing*
[00:13] <lun4tic> XD
[00:19] <lun4tic> man i hate 24h disconnections
[00:20] <lun4tic> someone still awake?
[00:20] <ubuntujenkins> epkugelmass: I suggest you ask in #ubuntu i am not sure
[00:20] <epkugelmass> thanks ubuntujenkins. i did get some help.
[00:21] <ubuntujenkins> lun4tic: whats your question i will try and solve it
[00:22] <lun4tic> no question just checking if someone is there ^^
[00:23] <ubuntujenkins> ok I am off to bed godbyk will be up soon hopefully night all
[00:24] <lun4tic> n8
[00:41] <epkugelmass> godbyk, does the install-pkgs.sh work on lucid?
[00:41] <epkugelmass> i have texlive installed, but the script says i don't
[00:42]  * ubuntujenkins can't sleep
[00:43] <ubuntujenkins> epkugelmass: how did you install texlive
[00:43] <epkugelmass> aptitude install texlive-full
[00:44] <ubuntujenkins> thats where you are going wrong, the packages don't work. You have to install it by following the instructions at the end of http://ubuntu-manual.org/getinvolved/authors
[00:44] <ubuntujenkins> if you follow that it should work fine :)
[00:44] <epkugelmass> but it's texlive 2009...what's the problem? I would rather stick to the package system than go off installing random things
[00:45] <ubuntujenkins> epkugelmass: basically the packages are too old and there is stuff missing. I am working on the stuff to fix it but that will not be ready for a couple of weeks.
[00:45] <epkugelmass> ubuntujenkins, the website says "The Ubuntu Manual requires TeX Live 2009. The version of TeX Live in the Ubuntu 9.10 repositories is 2007. In Lucid, there are packages for TeX Live 2009."
[00:46] <ubuntujenkins> epkugelmass: thats a typo on the website
[00:46] <epkugelmass> alright
[00:46] <epkugelmass> thanks
[00:46]  * ubuntujenkins files a nug
[00:46] <ubuntujenkins> no problem
[00:47] <ubuntujenkins> *bug
[00:52]  * ubuntujenkins goes to bed third time lucky hopefully
[00:52] <ubuntujenkins> wish i could get to sleep
[01:08] <ubuntujenkins> we have over 60000 downloads
[05:49] <IlyaHaykinson> godbyk, hi
[06:15] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson: hey.
[06:16] <IlyaHaykinson> so, grr, new machine here, and for some reason it decided to let me install tex, but install-pkgs script didn't detect it
[06:17] <godbyk> did you have it create the symlinks during install?
[06:17] <IlyaHaykinson> now i re-ran the tex installation script, and it's redownloading everything (on my slower home connection)
[06:17] <IlyaHaykinson> ah. ok, i figured that may have been my mistake.
[06:17] <IlyaHaykinson> i am doing it now.
[06:17] <godbyk> ok
[06:17] <IlyaHaykinson> in the new re-download.
[06:17] <godbyk> you can create them after the fact; it's just a bit more difficult.
[06:17] <IlyaHaykinson> is there a shortcut (i.e. i could cancel the current download and symlink manually)?
[06:18] <godbyk> If everything's been installed already, then yeah.
[06:18] <godbyk> apt-get install perl-tk
[06:18] <godbyk> then run 'tlmgr --gui'
[06:18] <godbyk> you will have to provide the full path to tlmgr
[06:19] <godbyk> on my machine, the non-symlinked file is /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf/scripts/texlive/tlmgr.pl
[06:19] <godbyk> oh, you'll need to run tlmgr using sudo, too.
[06:19]  * godbyk should set up yet another bot to handle tex-related questions.
[06:19]  * godbyk keeps forgetting all the niggling details when he doesn't have to do this too often.
[06:23] <IlyaHaykinson> sweet, this helped. thank you.
[06:24] <godbyk> did you get the symlinks created okay?
[06:48] <IlyaHaykinson> yup. all good.
[06:51] <godbyk> 'kay. cool
[07:10]  * IlyaHaykinson sent an email to the technical writers mailing list, asking about tips about user research and audience analysis
[07:10] <godbyk> there's a technical writers mailing list?
[07:11] <IlyaHaykinson> nod
[07:11] <IlyaHaykinson> http://www.techwr-l.com/
[07:12] <godbyk> cool
[07:19] <IlyaHaykinson> ok, gnite. tty tomorrow at the meeting.
[07:23] <godbyk> g'night!
[07:35] <ubuntujenkins> morning o/
[07:38] <godbyk> morning, ubuntujenkins
[08:18] <jcisio> hello
[08:18] <godbyk> Hey, jcisio.
[08:18] <jcisio> godbyk, I tried compile several times, but get no index or glossaries
[08:19] <godbyk> I know.
[08:19] <godbyk> It's a problem I'm still trying to solve.
[08:19] <jcisio> do you have any input?
[08:19] <godbyk> Could you rephrase the question? :)
[08:20] <jcisio> Any idea why it doesn't work?
[08:20] <godbyk> It has to do with the makeglossaries and xindy programs.
[08:20] <godbyk> (Well, makeglossaries calls xindy, too, so it's mostly xindy, I think.)
[08:20] <jcisio> I was trying to add the 4th xelatex continously in Makefile, obviously it didn't work
[08:27] <jcisio> what does xindy do godbyk ?
[08:27] <godbyk> xindy is the program that generates the index and glossary.  (mostly handles sorting of entries.)
[08:28] <jcisio> I try compile ubuntu-manual-vi.tex myself without success
[08:28] <godbyk> I suspect the issue is with setting the appropriate language (and sorting system), but I'm not sure yet.
[08:28] <godbyk> I'll be with you in about 15 minutes.
[08:28] <godbyk> (watching the end of a video)
[08:30] <jcisio> ok
[08:33] <jcisio> time to go to school, g9 godbyk_
[08:43] <ubuntujenkins> see you all later
[12:38] <lun4tic> hi, is there an "update" command for the bzr repo?
[12:39] <lun4tic> so that i don't have to download the whole thing again
[12:39] <lun4tic> just the changes
[12:43] <hemanth> lun4tic, bzr pull
[12:46] <lun4tic> hemanth: thx
[12:46] <hemanth> lun4tic, np
[12:54] <lun4tic> "po4a::tex: Kann nicht von einer Datei lesen, ohne einen Dateinamen zu haben" hm... whats wrong? it says "cant read from file without having the filename"
[12:54] <lun4tic> trying to "make ubuntu-manual-de.pdf"
[12:54] <lun4tic> texlive 2009 on lucid
[12:55] <godbyk> I'm not sure.
[12:55] <godbyk> I don't get that error on mine.
[12:55] <lun4tic> " at /usr/bin/po4a-translate line 229"
[12:55] <lun4tic> the line after the error
[12:56] <lun4tic> i use the ubuntu packages
[12:56] <lun4tic> because i had them allready installed and the ubuntu-manual website says lucid has the texlive 2009 allready
[12:57] <godbyk> lun4tic: Ah, well, those the texlive packages in ubuntu don't work (regardless of what the website may suggest).
[12:57] <godbyk> lun4tic: but the error is coming from po4a-translate which is in the po4a package (which is what I'm using)
[13:21] <ubuntujenkins> hello
[13:24] <lun4tic> hm.. it complains about ccicons.sty
[13:24] <lun4tic> is there a package for that allready?
[13:24] <lun4tic> google cant find any package that has this file
[13:24] <ubuntujenkins> lun4tic: the script in the pkgs folder of the branch installs it for you
[13:25] <lun4tic> that script doesn't recognize my texlive 2009 packages -.-
[13:26] <godbyk> lun4tic: you can't use the texlive packages from ubuntu. you MUST install them from upstream.
[13:26] <lun4tic> Checking TeX Live version...Status: install ok installed
[13:26] <lun4tic> No version of TeX Live was detected.
[13:26] <lun4tic> :(
[13:26] <ubuntujenkins> +1 to godbyk
[13:26] <lun4tic> why? if it is the same system
[13:26] <godbyk> It's not.
[13:27] <godbyk> The lucid packages are too old
[13:27] <lun4tic> -.-
[13:27] <godbyk> and they're missing things we require (like ccicons)
[13:27] <lun4tic> so i guess i'll stick to the "beta" pdf... ^^
[13:28] <lun4tic> building stuff with having to download >2gig on this "high speed" line is not so funny...
[13:28] <lun4tic> can someone build me the current german version and mail it to me?
[13:31] <godbyk> lun4tic: I just fixed up the german version a couple hours ago (some bad tex-related bugs in the translations).
[13:31] <godbyk> let me build the pdf and upload it for ya.
[13:31] <godbyk> gimme a few minutes.
[13:32] <lun4tic> are the screenshots in the pdf then?
[13:32] <godbyk> they will be, I think.
[13:33] <lun4tic> i know some people who could also read it through (no geeks or technicians so they're good "gunea pigs" ... ;-) ) but they keep asking about missing pictures ^^
[13:34] <lun4tic> guinea*
[13:38] <godbyk> lun4tic: Can you look over the suggested translations I made and approve them if I haven't mucked something up?
[13:38] <godbyk> Then I can download the latest translations so the german doc will compile successfully.
[13:44] <lun4tic> hm.. so if it says "plain text" all of the "commands" are just formatting info right?
[13:45] <godbyk> Sometimes they're formatting info and sometimes they do more than that.
[13:46] <ubuntujenkins> hmm the package clisp is causing me a problem xindy depends on it but clisp will not install properly
[13:47] <c7p> godbyk thank you for the corrections on the greek translation
[13:47] <godbyk> c7p: You're welcome. They can be difficult to track down sometimes.
[13:47] <godbyk> c7p: Please read through the translations I modified to make sure I didn't screw anything up along the way.
[13:47] <c7p> godbyk: yes
[13:48] <jcisio> when I work on Launchpad, there're suggestions that I don't know where do they come from, like this
[13:48] <lun4tic> godbyk: if the suggestion and the current translation is exactly the same but the suggestion is yours should i confirm yours because of some corrections you've made?
[13:49] <jcisio> Suggestions ubuntu-manual in Ubuntu Manual lucid-e1 by Kevin Godby  2 hours ago
[13:49] <jcisio> ah someone is asking the same question
[13:49] <godbyk> lun4tic: As long as I haven't screwed up the language itself, it should be fine. I only touch the translations when I'm trying to fix bugs in the LaTeX coding.
[13:50] <godbyk> jcisio: I went through a couple languages earlier to fix some bugs that were preventing the PDF from compiling.
[13:50] <lun4tic> i found some mistakes
[13:50] <lun4tic> but could be somebody who changed the sentence while he was building the sentence in his mind... ^^
[13:51] <lun4tic> a word to much and stuff like that
[13:52]  * ubuntujenkins is back to lectures talk later
[13:52] <jcisio> ah yes, ok thanks
[13:52] <lun4tic> "\glspl{applet}" <-- what about plurals in that case?
[13:53] <lun4tic> even in the english version there should normally be "applets"
[13:53] <godbyk> lun4tic: leave that as is, but in the \newglossaryentry for 'applet', add a 'plural={applets}'
[13:53] <lun4tic> cause the sentence is talking about applets that can be put in panels
[13:53] <godbyk> the 'pl' part tells latex to use the plural form.
[13:53] <lun4tic> ok
[13:54] <godbyk> So in the English version, \gls{applet} = applet, and \glspl{applet} = applets.
[13:54] <lun4tic> maybe it is allready plural then
[13:54] <lun4tic> but i didn't know glspl
[13:54] <lun4tic> i don't have a built pdf to verify
[13:54] <godbyk> right.
[13:54] <lun4tic> so i'm just guessing ^^
[13:57] <jcisio> OMG, forgot about the meeting at 22h local time, I have an appointment at 20h15 for Iron Man 2!!!
[13:57] <godbyk> I'd say your first meeting takes priority, jcisio. ;-)
[13:59] <jcisio> well, film length: 124min, should be 30 min late though
[13:59] <jcisio> godbyk: normally the duration of the meeting is how long?
[14:00] <godbyk> We try to stay inside of an hour, but almost always fail.
[14:00] <godbyk> This meeting is covering a lot of ground, too, so we'll probably be around for a while.
[14:01] <jcisio> ok thanks, so I'll try to be ontime, it's 3am in Vietnam, so I don't think there are other translator in my language
[14:03] <c7p> i have got a problem with the compilation of the manual
[14:03] <c7p> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/428938/
[14:04] <godbyk> c7p: I think I fixed a bunch of those in the translations a few hours ago, but there may still be a couple I missed.
[14:04] <jcisio> I sometimes have that, too
[14:04] <godbyk> c7p: If you can review the translation changes I made and approve them, I'll update the .po files in the repository and we can try recompiling it.
[14:04] <c7p> also there are no screenshots on the pdf
[14:04] <jcisio> the "LaTeX Warning: Label(s) may have changed. Rerun to get cross-references right." message, sometimes I must delete the output pdf and rerun make command
[14:05] <godbyk> c7p: The screenshots only get added to the PDF after all the screenshots for that language have been taken.
[14:05] <godbyk> http://screenshots.ubuntu-manual.org/
[14:05] <godbyk> You can see the progress of screenshots at that site.
[14:05] <c7p> el	Progress: 100%
[14:06] <c7p> we have uploaded all the screenshots :/
[14:06] <godbyk> c7p: You're right. It looks like those screenshots are in the repository already.
[14:06] <godbyk> c7p: So they'll show up automatically when I can successfully compile the PDF.
[14:07] <c7p> godbyk: ok :)
[14:07] <humphreybc> all go in here!
[14:07] <vish> humphreybc: for elementary , we have several members still waiting in the queue ;)
[14:07] <vish> oops! late line :/
[14:08] <vish> humphreybc: heh , had typed that when we were talking about the members and seem to have forgotten :/
[14:08] <godbyk> heh. nice.
[14:08] <godbyk> we should hold further ayatana-ux discussion in #ayatana, probably.
[14:08] <humphreybc> vish: huh what who now?
[14:09] <humphreybc> godbyk, jar
[14:09] <vish> humphreybc: when we were talking about rejecting memebers to ayatana UX team
[14:10] <humphreybc> ohh right
[14:10] <humphreybc> yeah
[14:10] <humphreybc> I felt real bad
[14:10] <vish> godbyk: i had suggested that to mpt, but i think -meeting sounds more official
[14:11] <godbyk> oh, I meant right now if we wanted to continue the discussion or something.
[14:11] <vish> ah..
[14:11] <godbyk> *someone* may as well use it, right? :)
[14:11] <humphreybc> nothing to talk about?
[14:11] <humphreybc> we don't have any plans or anything
[14:11] <humphreybc> or any contributors or time to make much happen
[14:11] <vish> zilch!
[14:12] <godbyk> I feel so useless. :)
[14:12] <humphreybc> yeah
[14:13] <humphreybc> No doubt mpt, vish and I will talk about it over a beer at UDS.
[14:13] <humphreybc> the others can remote participate with a virtual beer in Runescape or something
[14:14] <vish> humphreybc: are you old enough to have beer? ;p
[14:14] <humphreybc> vish: I am insulted! Yes, yes I am. I'm 19 :)
[14:14] <humphreybc> I've had many beers
[14:14] <humphreybc> often too many
[14:14]  * vish thought the drinking age is 21 in NZ..
[14:14] <humphreybc> nah it's 18 here
[14:14] <godbyk> it's 21 in the US
[14:14] <humphreybc> 18 in belgium too
[14:14] <humphreybc> vish: how old are you?
[14:14] <vish> godbyk: yea , i get those two confused
[14:15] <vish> humphreybc: heh , pretty old ;)  28
[14:15]  * godbyk is older!
[14:15] <humphreybc> 28! you're practically a pensioner
[14:15] <vish> godbyk: thanks that makes me feel better ;)
[14:16] <godbyk> I'm 31.
[14:16] <c7p> I think I'm the smallest here :P
[14:16] <humphreybc> godbyk's OLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLD
[14:16] <nisshh> 18
[14:17] <nisshh> humphreybc: lol
[14:17] <jcisio> I thought that I was the oldest
[14:17] <humphreybc> nisshh is YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNG
[14:17] <humphreybc> nah pretty sure popey claims that in this channel
[14:17] <humphreybc> :P
[14:17] <nisshh> lol, humphreybc your only 19 :)
[14:17] <humphreybc> <3 you popey
[14:17] <nisshh> or 18 i cant remeber
[14:18] <popey> 38
[14:18] <popey> Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooold
[14:18] <humphreybc> I be 20 in a month.  <<< I LOVE this quote.
[14:19] <c7p> haha
[14:19] <humphreybc> In fact, I'm going to tweet it now, I love it so much.
[14:20] <godbyk> Ooh, popey has missile projectiles. Nevermind. :)
[14:20] <nisshh> hehe
[14:20]  * humphreybc is also good at ducking
[14:20] <nisshh> meh!
[14:23]  * humphreybc really should go to bed
[14:23] <humphreybc> UMP meeting in like, 6 and a half hours
[14:23] <humphreybc> grr!
[14:23]  * nisshh is staying up till 4am!
[14:23] <c7p> godbyk: from what i see on the pdf the chaplink generates sth like   " Chapter : Μάθετε
[14:23] <c7p> περισσότερα. ", so the 'Chapter' isn't translated and also the "Figure" near screenshots isn't translated too. what can we do about it ?
[14:24] <godbyk> c7p: Let me look into it for you.
[14:29] <popey> tis funny, many people have a completely different character when they get to uds humphreybc  :)
[14:32] <humphreybc> heh
[14:32] <humphreybc> let me know if I do and I'll fix it
[14:32] <humphreybc> :P
[14:37] <godbyk> c7p: String 993 appears to have an extra closing brace }.
[14:39] <c7p> i will check it
[14:41] <godbyk> I'm fixing a couple other strings, too.
[14:41] <c7p> If i can help you tell me how
[14:41] <nisshh> everyone: can anyone think of anything that needs to be setup to use bzr apart from installing bzr, checking for ssh key and telling bzr who you are?
[14:42] <nisshh> and also downloading the branch off of lp
[14:42] <godbyk> launchpad-login?
[14:42] <nisshh> godbyk: genius!
[14:42] <godbyk> someone mentioned that we'd left that step out of the instructions the other day.
[14:43] <nisshh> godbyk: right, ill put that in now
[14:44] <godbyk> 'kay.
[14:44] <c7p> also the latex installation isn't very comprehensive, without your help I don't know if would ever install these packages
[14:45] <godbyk> c7p: What snags did you hit during the latex installation?
[14:45] <godbyk> We should improve those instructions if we can, then.
[14:46] <c7p> godbyk: it was a bit weird cause it was the first time that installed a program from a terminal window like that
[14:46] <godbyk> yeah, their installer script is pretty much unlike anything else you'll ever come across.
[14:47] <godbyk> I should see if there's a way I can preconfigure the options for people.
[14:51] <jcisio> the texlive installer works with -gui, it seems
[14:52] <nisshh> does anyone want to go over my script before the meeting? would be great if you could!
[14:52] <godbyk> jcisio: it can, yeah.
[14:53] <godbyk> nisshh: what script?
[14:53] <godbyk> what meeting?
[14:53] <godbyk> what's happening?
[14:53]  * godbyk is so confused! :)
[14:53] <nisshh> godbyk: lol!
[14:53] <nisshh> Showing your age!
[14:54] <godbyk> heh
[14:54] <godbyk> trying to fix translations in 2-3 languages at once causes my brain to smoke.
[14:54] <nisshh> meh, no kidding!
[14:58]  * nisshh is watching 4 movies in a row till the meeting, ping him if you need him!
[15:02] <godbyk> lun4tic: Are you still around?
[15:02] <lun4tic> godbyk: yes
[15:02] <godbyk> Could you check on the strings in the german translation that still require approval?
[15:02] <godbyk> A couple that I did are latex-related bug fixes.
[15:03] <godbyk> but one of those had multiple suggestions, so I wasn't sure which to use.
[15:03] <godbyk> in any case, there was just a comma missing before the description= bit.
[15:16]  * popey switches to this channel before ops come along and tell us off for being in -meeting
[15:17] <godbyk> no doubt.
[15:18] <vish> popey: already tried that , but the topic in -meeting attracted folks from everywhere ;)
[15:18]  * humphreybc always gets told off on IRC.
[15:19] <vish> humphreybc: what happened to that -party kick ?
[15:19] <humphreybc> vish: I got banned
[15:20] <vish> lol!
[15:20] <humphreybc> sad, huh
[15:20] <popey> not surprising really
[15:20] <humphreybc> :D
[15:20] <godbyk> humphreybc is no longer allowed at the release parties. :)
[15:20] <humphreybc> pretty much
[15:20] <popey> yeah you will
[15:20] <popey> its not permanent
[15:20] <humphreybc> popey: in all the carnage, I guess not
[15:20] <popey> remember they get a lot of idiots saying stupid things in there
[15:20]  * humphreybc was just trying to take the load off the servers. *sniff*
[15:21] <popey> http://popey.com/blog/2008/04/23/Things_Not_To_Say/
[15:22] <humphreybc> answer for everything :P
[15:22] <popey> people say stupid stuff in the party channel and don't appreciate the consequences of their actions
[15:22] <popey> we get a lot of people posting urls which doesnt help at all
[15:22] <popey> it actually hurts the release
[15:22] <humphreybc> ya
[15:24] <humphreybc> I AM GOING TO BED
[15:24] <humphreybc> night!
[15:24] <popey> OKAY!
[15:24] <godbyk> He better be back in 2.5 hours for the ubuntu manual meeting!
[15:27] <jcisio> oh good
[15:27] <jcisio> I calculated wrong, minus 2h instead of plus 2h
[15:29] <jcisio> but not, meeting is in 5.5h
[15:29] <godbyk> ah, right.
[15:30] <godbyk> too many meetings today in too many time zones.
[15:30] <godbyk> the earlier meeting I attended was at 12 UTC, so that's why 12 was stuck in my head (which is 2.5 hours from now).
[15:30] <jcisio> ok
[15:31] <godbyk> though if anyone wants to meet with me in 2.5 hours to keep me awake, I'm okay with that. :)
[16:03] <jcisio> If I have a mass search/replace in po/vi.po, should I push it in bzr?
[16:04] <godbyk> jcisio: Ooh.. that's a question for dutchie.
[16:04] <godbyk> I do'nt know if launchpad is set to read in the po files right now.
[16:04] <godbyk> lemme look.
[16:05] <godbyk> well, it says it'll read the pot and po files (I think).
[16:05] <godbyk> I'd make a small change to the po file and upload it to the branch, then check to make sure it shows up in the translations in launchpad.
[16:05] <nisshh> godbyk: ill be up until the meeting, ill keep you company!
[16:05] <godbyk> if that works, then you can try your bigger change.
[16:05] <godbyk> nisshh: \o/
[16:06]  * nisshh needs sustenance to stay up that long though!
[16:06] <jcisio> ok I'll try the small change
[16:08] <jcisio> After some modification, now I can't find any error in my script :D
[16:55] <godbyk> I ran the build script and have uploaded the latest PDFs and log files to http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/.
[16:58] <nisshh> godbyk: what is the name of the branch on launchpad we are using for dev now? how the hell is everything arranged?
[16:59] <godbyk> nisshh: Heh, right.
[16:59] <godbyk> nisshh: So lucid-e1 is where the translators are working. No one else gets to touch it.
[16:59]  * nisshh is confused as shit!
[16:59] <nisshh> right
[16:59] <godbyk> lucid-e2 is where new development for the second edition will take place.
[16:59] <godbyk> Don't start quite yet, though
[16:59] <nisshh> yep
[16:59] <nisshh> no, id just like to know
[16:59] <nisshh> so i dont screw anything up
[16:59] <godbyk> as I'm going to probably wipe that branch, create a new one in its place, and then copy over the files we want.
[17:00] <nisshh> the e2 branch?
[17:00] <godbyk> (Otherwise we have to keep pulling the full history of the branches which is headed toward 200 MB when we really only want < 1 MB of tex files)
[17:00] <nisshh> yea
[17:00] <nisshh> it was becoming a pain
[17:00] <godbyk> Then there's the maverick branch (which will probably get the same treatment as lucid-e2). it'll contain our work for the maverick edition.
[17:01] <nisshh> ok cool
[17:01] <godbyk> so translators, thorwil and his title pages, and minor tweaks by me are working on e1.
[17:01] <nisshh> thats cleared that up for me
[17:01] <godbyk> everyone else will be working on e2 soon.
[17:02] <nisshh> yea, i hope to talk to humphreybc about my contributions sometime tonight too
[17:02] <nisshh> wanna do more
[17:02] <nisshh> feel like i didnt do a very good job on e1
[17:05] <godbyk> well, we're hopefully going to redeem ourselves a little bit with e2. fix *all* the bugs and add back in a few of the sections we had to remove because they were unfinished.
[17:07] <nisshh> yea
[17:08] <nisshh> but i have got alot better with writing now, i was terrible at first but now i know how it should be and can fit it together nicely.
[17:21] <ubuntujenkins> evening all
[17:23] <nisshh> hey
[17:24] <ubuntujenkins> hello nisshh what are you up to?
[17:30] <nisshh> waiting for the meeting to start in a few hours
[17:32] <ubuntujenkins> I hopefully will have my project work done by then
[18:25] <lun4tic> godbyk: no suggestions left i guess
[18:51] <daker> hello @all
[18:51] <daker> hi ubuntujenkins
[18:51] <ubuntujenkins> hello daker
[18:51] <Red_HamsterX> Did I miss the meeting?
[18:52]  * Red_HamsterX un-idles after, like, a week.
[18:52] <ubuntujenkins> nope later tonight
[18:52] <Red_HamsterX> Yay.
[18:52] <dutchie> o/
[18:52] <ubuntujenkins> we have a few new quickshot members including a bot
[18:53] <Red_HamsterX> A lot can change in a week, apprently.
[18:53] <ubuntujenkins> +help
[18:53] <quickshotdevs> Useage: +<factoid> Examples: +website , +blueprint , +qssource , +involved , +question , +style , +use , +ppa , +quickshot , +code , +launchpad
[18:54] <ubuntujenkins> I think that is all the factoids on it, when we get new users we have to tell them lots of stuff and its the same each time. also if we need the bug link etc its all there
[18:57] <Red_HamsterX> That seems useful.
[18:58] <ubuntujenkins> +bug
[18:58] <quickshotdevs> You can file a Quickshot bug here https://bugs.launchpad.net/quickshot
[18:58] <ubuntujenkins> we can add more when we think of more
[19:08] <Red_HamsterX> Any Easter Eggs to be discovered?
[19:08] <Red_HamsterX> I dunno why I capitalised that.
[19:12] <ubuntujenkins> Easter Eggs in what?
[19:12] <Red_HamsterX> The bot.
[19:13] <ubuntujenkins> not that i know of its just supybot based
[19:18] <ubuntujenkins> sorry I haven't made any I will have to think of some
[19:18]  * ubuntujenkins actually reads the question properly
[19:23]  * ubuntujenkins no google search now looks like yahoo
[19:23] <daker> +style
[19:23] <quickshotdevs> The Quickshot code base tries to follow some conventions  a list of them is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/quickshot/style .
[20:29] <ubuntujenkins> hello everyone who is joining us for the meeting o/
[20:29] <ubuntujenkins> its in half an hour
[20:29] <semioticrobotic> hi ubuntujenkins
[20:30] <ubuntujenkins> hello semioticrobotic, hows you?
[20:30] <semioticrobotic> not too shabby.  yourself?
[20:30] <ubuntujenkins> good, doing uni work
[20:30] <semioticrobotic> I'm about to do the same.  Just logged in to stake out a spot.  :)
[20:30] <semioticrobotic> I'll see you in a half-hour
[20:30] <ubuntujenkins> see you in half an hout
[20:30] <ubuntujenkins> *hour
[20:31] <semioticrobotic> are we in here?
[20:31] <semioticrobotic> or in the meeting room
[20:31] <ubuntujenkins> #ubuntu-meeting
[20:31] <semioticrobotic> gotcha
[20:31] <ubuntujenkins> thats what the wiki says
[20:31] <semioticrobotic> thanks
[20:31] <semioticrobotic> see you there
[20:35] <daker> ubuntujenkins,
[20:39] <ubuntujenkins> hello daker
[20:40] <daker> meet my bot
[20:40] <ubuntujenkins> can we play in #quickshot?
[20:40] <daker> oki
[20:41] <daker> ?q
[20:43] <daker> ubuntujenkins, you are there ?
[20:43] <ubuntujenkins> yep with your bot
[20:59] <nisshh> humphreybc: so is the meeting in here on in -meeting?
[20:59] <humphreybc> in meeting
[20:59] <nisshh> right
[21:17] <thorwil> godbyk: http://cometdemo.lshift.net:8080/greed/aa2be1f2/
[21:18] <godbyk> thorwil: cool.  not sure if rst has enough markup commands for us as is, though.
[21:19] <thorwil> godbyk: i just recalled this when Ben said "the translators want to be able to see their works faster" :)
[21:19] <godbyk> ah
[21:29] <c7p> hello
[21:29] <godbyk> Hey, c7p.
[21:29] <godbyk> We're in #ubuntu-meeting right now if you want to join us.
[21:29] <c7p> sure
[21:35] <godbyk> Hey, guys. We're meeting in #ubuntu-meeting if you'd care to join us.
[21:36] <godbyk> Some new site mockups you can take a look at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/humphreybc/sets/72157623882545941/
[22:39] <ubuntujenkins> I should have turned the highlighting of the word manualfor that meeting the jumping x-chat icon kept popping up on my project work
[22:39] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: I was thinking the same thing.
[22:40] <c7p> hey godbyk do you have some time?
[22:40] <godbyk> c7p: sure, what's up?
[22:42] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: meet hemanth, he joined us last week and is going to help with the gui/program side
[22:43] <c7p> i compile the manual successful, although screenshots weren't in place and more importantly some letters on a word are in bold
[22:43] <ubuntujenkins> hemanth: Red_HamsterX deals with the server stuff
[22:43] <Red_HamsterX> ubuntujenkins, when I have some of the Quickshot server working, I'll start adding management scripts to PyRC, so it can do fun hardcoded things before we have proper web interface methods.
[22:43] <Red_HamsterX> Hi, hemanth. You're going to learn to hate my laissez-faire anti-micro-management style.
[22:43] <godbyk> c7p: For the bold text, are you referring to the headings?
[22:43] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: don't worry i can't attack the gui until after the 15th june
[22:44] <Red_HamsterX> I like having zero involvement in development, but coming in at the last moment and demanding things be rebuilt according to my dreams.
[22:44] <Red_HamsterX> (No, not really)
[22:44] <Red_HamsterX> (I'm just here for help if you need me)
[22:44] <humphreybc> I was thinking, since we're going to have the capability for videos on our website, could we use Quickshot to record screencasts too?
[22:44] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: we also have Sunk on the team helping with python backend stuff
[22:44] <c7p> godbyk: see the pdf to understand what I mean
[22:44] <humphreybc> just by using recordmydesktop
[22:44] <Red_HamsterX> (I'll be focused on the server side until I'm needed on the client)
[22:45] <c7p> godbyk: for example on page 7
[22:45] <Red_HamsterX> Why not just use recordmydesktop directly?
[22:45] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: whats wrong with record mydesktop?
[22:45] <Red_HamsterX> Building that into Quickshot seems like unnecessary feature creep.
[22:45] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: +1
[22:45] <godbyk> c7p: are you looking at the pdf on the builds server? or some other pdf?
[22:45] <Red_HamsterX> High-five!
[22:45] <godbyk> (just so I'm looking at the same one.)
[22:45] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: nothing, but we'd just need to make it easier for people to submit the videos
[22:45] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: no problem with "(I'll be focused on the server side until I'm needed on the client)"
[22:45] <c7p> they are the same on the page formatting
[22:46] <humphreybc> Just an idea. We probably won't have that many videos at first anyway
[22:46] <Red_HamsterX> So Sunk will be focused on the GTK/Qt/whatever internals and general coding consistency, then?
[22:46] <humphreybc> So individually uploading them will be fin
[22:46] <humphreybc> fine*
[22:46] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: I don't think we will make it in this time
[22:46] <Red_HamsterX> (I like working on that stuff, but more free time's good)
[22:46] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: that's fine. You guys are doing a rockin' job anyway!
[22:46] <humphreybc> right, i'm off. be back later :)
[22:46] <godbyk> c7p: okay, if you're referring to the headings, then the problem is that the headings font doesn't have bold greek letters, only bold latin letters at the moment.
[22:46] <Red_HamsterX> Bye, humphreybc~
[22:46] <ubuntujenkins> see yu humphreybc
[22:47] <godbyk> c7p: I'm going to have to find a different font to use for greek headings for now.
[22:47] <c7p> godbyk: ok :) ty
[22:47] <jcisio> Droid font, for example ;)
[22:48] <godbyk> jcisio: the droid fonts don't have nearly the character set support (last I looked) that we need.
[22:48] <jcisio> maybe, I didn't test in all languages, but they look good in some
[22:50] <godbyk> we did look at the droid fonts a few months ago and determined that they weren't suitable.
[22:50] <godbyk> I haven't looked at them lately, though, so some things may have changed.
[22:50] <godbyk> (I can't remember all the issues now, either, I'd have to check the logs.)
[22:50] <jcisio> godbyk, the builds on builds.um.org always use old version of translation?
[22:51] <godbyk> jcisio: those are using the translations that I downloaded earlier today (a few hours ago).
[22:51] <godbyk> I think the downloaded translations lag slightly behind, but they should be fairly up to date.
[22:52] <jcisio> I saw the revision date is 29 april
[22:53] <jcisio> and Vietnamese is 0.7% (actually 23%)
[22:53] <ChrisWoollard> It was a nice meeting. See you all later. Sleepy time now. Bye
[22:53] <c7p> bye
[22:54] <godbyk> jcisio: strange.. maybe my laptop was out of date when I ran the script. I'll pull and run it again.
[22:55] <jcisio> and index & glossary are always available when build with your laptop ;)
[22:56] <Red_HamsterX> daker, regarding the new Qs server interface, would it be sufficient for me to give you a simple header/body/footer template to work with for styling?
[22:56] <Red_HamsterX> Or would you like to have left and right panels in the body, too?
[22:57] <Red_HamsterX> (I won't actually be doing anything with them. I'd just like to build the general layout first, to make your job as easy as possible while I hack away at the logic)
[22:58] <c7p> daker could you fix this http://ubuntu-manual.org/downloads/?lang=el
[22:58] <godbyk> jcisio: it looks like my laptop did have an older version of the repository -- sorry about that! I'm rebuilding them now. (it may take a while)
[22:58] <jcisio> ok thanks godbyk
[22:59] <godbyk> the index/glossary issue is usually due to typos in the \newglossaryentry lines in the translations (at least so far, that's been the case).
[23:01] <daker> back
[23:02] <daker> Red_HamsterX, can you explain pls ?
[23:02] <Red_HamsterX> I'm just thinking about how to build the includes structure.
[23:03] <Red_HamsterX> Standard header (title), body (content), footer (copyright) layout or something where there's a provision for information on the left and right sides of the body.
[23:03] <Red_HamsterX> Like a persistent navigation system.
[23:03] <Red_HamsterX> Actually, maybe I'll need to reflect on it a little and decide myself.
[23:03] <Red_HamsterX> Based on what the user actually needs to do.
[23:04] <Red_HamsterX> I'll try to keep the CSS simple and the repeated elements abstracted, though.
[23:08] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: this  updmap --enable Map ccicons.map command well its not finding the ccicons.map file that is in /usr/share/texmf-texlive/fonts/map/dvips/ccicons any suggestions?
[23:09] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: run 'sudo texhash /usr/share/texmf-texlive' first
[23:09] <godbyk> then see if it can find the .map file.
[23:11] <ubuntujenkins> thanks godbyk that got it
[23:11] <ubuntujenkins> now i have to make a package do that
[23:12] <jcisio> godbyk, for the translator, I think we need a one page cheatsheet for things not to be translated
[23:12] <c7p> there is a file
[23:12] <jcisio> style-guide is a bit long
[23:13] <godbyk> We could probably do that.
[23:14] <godbyk> Most of the translation bugs I see with regard to tex commands are in the \newglossaryentry (which is confusing enough to begin with!) and occasionally someone translates a command itself.
[23:14] <c7p> http://files.ubuntu-manual.org/style-guide.pdf
[23:15] <godbyk> otherwise, the bugs are usually just typos. misspelled commands, too many or to few braces, etc.
[23:15] <jcisio> yes from the style guide, cite only things those should not be translated
[23:16] <jcisio> many translator translates text in \gls though
[23:16] <godbyk> jcisio: pages 14 and 15 of the style guide show things that shouldn't be translated.
[23:16] <jcisio> yes I'm aware of that
[23:16] <godbyk> (a few things on page 14 *should* be translated, though.)
[23:17] <jcisio> yeah, that's one problem
[23:17] <jcisio> the second is that translator doesn't need to read all that
[23:17] <jcisio> (I must confess I read that document in less than 1 minutes)
[23:17] <godbyk> it's really more for reference.
[23:18] <jcisio> and missed the point about gls
[23:18] <godbyk> to quickly explain the basics of the latex syntax and which bits should and shouldn't be translated.
[23:18] <jcisio> there're much more translators than authors or editors
[23:19] <jcisio> so there should be a dedicated document, one or half page, for them
[23:19] <jcisio> all they want to know is: things should not be translated
[23:20] <jcisio> well, more than once, I through the style-guide.pdf, and I'm after how many of them read more than 1 page
[23:20] <godbyk> I think knowing a tiny bit of context is probably a good thing, too, though.
[23:21] <godbyk> I often have to fix errors that are made because the translators just don't understand the syntax. So they inadvertently break things.
[23:21] <jcisio> in Vietnamese there're dozen of translators
[23:21] <jcisio> me too
[23:21] <jcisio> that why I think about a dedicated guide for only translators
[23:21] <godbyk> Are there things the translators need to know that aren't in chapter 4 of the style guide?
[23:22] <godbyk> I'm not suggesting the translators need to read the entire guide -- on the contrary, I think they should be able to read chapter 4 and that should cover all they need to know.
[23:22] <jcisio> 1/ things must not be translated 2/ some notes (like dont change `` '' into " ")
[23:23] <godbyk> The quotes can be modified if your language uses some other quotation marks, though.
[23:23] <godbyk> If you use American-style quotes, then they should be left as is, however.
[23:23] <godbyk> (Or turned into their unicode counterparts.)
[23:24] <jcisio> it breaks, I think
[23:24] <godbyk> the builds should be updated now, btw.
[23:24] <godbyk> it shouldn't break.
[23:25] <jcisio> they replace those by “ ” and it breaks
[23:26] <godbyk> really?
[23:26] <jcisio> I fixed once when it threw an error on that
[23:27] <godbyk> it should generally work.
[23:27] <godbyk> but if your language uses American-style quotes, then leaving them as `` and '' will be fine.
[23:27] <jcisio> yes
[23:28] <jcisio> when copy/paste from OpenOffice, it is “ ”, or if they type themselves, "...", (can't distinguish " and '')
[23:29] <c7p> godbyk, i hope you find a good font for headings :), night all
[23:29] <godbyk> c7p: I'll try. :)
[23:29] <godbyk> g'night, c7p
[23:29] <c7p> godbyk, ty g night :)
[23:30] <godbyk> jcisio: Ah, well,  “ ” are fine, but " is evil and won't be correct.
[23:32] <jcisio> yes, they just don't know, I must say well sometimes they should copy/paste
[23:32] <jcisio> you had to fix at least once \Idots in Vietnamese ;)
[23:33] <godbyk> Yeah, that one was funny because I knew exactly why it occurred. :)
[23:33] <jcisio> godbyk, builds look good, and warning come back from 4 to 122 in en_US
[23:38] <godbyk> jcisio: yeah, I ran an extra script previously to filter out some of the warnings I don't care about.
[23:38] <godbyk> I haven't reran that script yet.
[23:38] <godbyk> most of the warnings are just about the margin notes getting moved around a bit.
[23:38] <jcisio> do you know how to fix those warnings?
[23:38] <godbyk> you can't.
[23:39] <jcisio> (I get that in my thesis, too ;))
[23:39] <godbyk> it's just latex doing its thing.
[23:39] <jcisio> too much warning
[23:39] <godbyk> generally it tells you that when it moves a marginpar to avoid running into another marginpar or to prevent it from running off the end of the page.
[23:40] <jcisio> these warnings happen only with complex layout?
[23:40] <jcisio> I saw a few documents compiled without any warning
[23:41]  * jcisio don't have time dig into LaTeX warnings
[23:41] <godbyk> yeah, usually when you have a more complex layout or when you use a lot of marginpar's.


[12:44]  * bkerensa waves good morning
[12:44] <bkerensa> time to go setup a Ubuntu Booth
[17:06]  * bkerensa yawns
[17:08] <bkerensa> Anyone want 50% off on O'Reilly Books.... Use Code "B2SDEAL" good till the 27th
[20:25] <c_smith> g'day! :D
[20:32] <MarkDude> Greetings Oregon
[20:34] <c_smith> greetings, MarkDude! :D
[20:35] <c_smith> if only bkerensa were here.... I have something to update him about.
[20:36] <MarkDude> Well he is prolly doing some epic stuff right about now
[20:39]  * bkerensa is here
[20:39] <bkerensa> c_smith: hi
[20:40] <c_smith> hello
[20:40] <bkerensa> c_smith: How goes it?
[20:40] <c_smith> bkerensa, I got a coffee shop (we don't have Wifi Cafes in Salem to my knowledge) that has Wifi, only stipulation is that we buy something when we hang out, even just one thing.
[20:41] <c_smith> this is for the Salam area people
[20:41] <bkerensa> ok cool
[20:43] <c_smith> I'll give the details of where the place is at the next IRC meeting.
[20:44] <bkerensa> excellent
[20:45]  * bkerensa needs MarkDude or thefinn93 to tell me how they got the backspace thing setup because everytime they tell me to send a e-mail and I think it goes into some blackhole
[20:55]  * MarkDude can check his email to see who I talked to
[20:56] <MarkDude> the owners are the best options
[20:56] <MarkDude> the emplyees are on sumthin medicinal, they forget easily
[20:56] <bkerensa> Well there manager who was at the natty release party told me to just e-mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and no response =/
[20:57] <bkerensa> yeah they are on something medicinal and its called too much fatlips raspberry soda
[20:57] <bkerensa> =o
[20:59] <bkerensa> Hmm tomorrow is Friday and it must include an epic amount of Sushi for lunch
[21:08] <c_smith> man, Dropbox+Ubuntu One is a good way to store various documents.


[00:44] <bryceh_> RAOF, ok testing going ok so far on some -intel systems but it appears -ati/-radeon is getting uninstalled
[00:44] <bryceh_> also -video-all and -geode get uninstalled
[00:44] <RAOF> Ah, geode.
[00:44] <RAOF> Did I actually upload that?
[00:45] <RAOF> No.
[00:45] <RAOF> Silly i386-only drivers.
[00:45] <RAOF> Fixing.
[00:45] <RAOF> While mesa builds.  And builds.  And builds!
[00:46] <bryceh_> yep, wrong ABI for -ati, says it depends on abi 9
[00:46] <bryceh_> good news is with latest updates unity on dual-head looks a LOT better
[00:47] <bryceh_> although I can't drag windows from external monitor to lvds for some reason (titlebar gets stuck).  Works going the other way though
[00:48] <bryceh_> feels like a bug with the logic for drag-to-maximize (monitors are one-above-the-other)
[00:52] <RAOF> I wouldn't be surprised if unity didn't like that one bit.
[00:52] <RAOF> One on top of the other isn't a common case :)
[01:00] <bryceh_> it's a docking station with the monitor on a ledge above it, so top/bottom makes most sense
[01:00] <RAOF> Yeah, I've used that ordering before, too.
[01:00] <bryceh_> plus probably not a bad thing to be testing an unusual use case ;-
[01:00] <bryceh_> )
[01:00] <RAOF> And things were kinda broken :)
[01:01] <bryceh_> I can test -ati on a couple systems once that's in
[01:01] <bryceh_> otherwise, things look good
[01:18] <RAOF> Man.  Release your shiny new laptops, Sony, so I can build mesa for amd64 and i386 in under 2 hours.
[01:18] <bryceh_> hmm, lots of held-back packages  - http://paste.ubuntu.com/580381/
[01:19] <bryceh_> hrm, that's wrong; it's trying to depend on the wrong xserver
[01:20] <bryceh_> heh, wayland ppa madness.  ok nevermind that one
[01:27] <bryceh_> nope, I'm wrong
[01:27] <bryceh_> on one machine it dist-upgraded to 2:<IP_ADDRESS>2-2ubuntu2 (and stuff broke as pastebinned)
[01:27] <bryceh_> on another machine it sees 2u2 but only upgrades to 2u1
[01:30] <RAOF> Hm.  Ok.  Let's see if I can't fix that…
[01:32] <bryceh_> heh, crashed unity on my above/below system
[01:35] <bryceh_> ok with a couple more dist-upgrades and reboots the 2u1 system is booting 2u2 ok
[03:31] <RAOF> Who wants to upload a partial fix for the TLS madness?
[03:39] <ScottK> You all ought to go grab this guy: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-qa/2011-March/001485.html and explain to him he's supposed to be helping you out.
[03:44] <RAOF> Ah, wayland testing.
[03:44] <RAOF> It is perhaps a *little* bit soon for that :)
[03:55] <ScottK> Right, first you make him to other stuff so that he can prove himself to be allowed to do wayland testing.
[05:43] <RAOF> Argh.  What's happening here?  The disassembly of glGetString shows a perfectly well-behaved crazy dispatch function, but *calling* glGetString through the PLT appears to go to the wrong place!
[07:08] <tjaalton> RAOF: still need sponsoring?
[07:09] <tjaalton> ah, looks like not
[08:29]  * RAOF rather likes disassemble/m
[09:06] <ara> RAOF, hello
[09:06] <RAOF> Heydi ho!
[09:21] <bryceh_> heya tseliot
[09:21] <tseliot> hi bryceh_
[09:51] <bryceh_> RAOF, did you push your latest -intel change to git?
[09:52]  * RAOF checks
[09:52] <RAOF> Aha!  Mesa's jumping into the NoOp table.  That's obviously not going to work :)
[09:53] <tjaalton> RAOF: also, mesa needs a push
[09:53] <RAOF> Gah.  Yup.
[09:54] <tjaalton> git push origin; debuild... ;)
[09:56] <bryceh_> you have no idea how happy it makes me to know I'm not the only one that forgets sometimes ;-)
[09:57] <RAOF> tjaalton: Wheras I like to check that things build *before* pushing to pkg-xorg, so it doesn't work quite as well!
[09:57] <tjaalton> heh, ok
[09:57] <tjaalton> test the build before dch -r
[09:57] <tjaalton> :P
[09:58] <bryceh_> we should hack 'git status' into dch or dput ;-)
[10:00] <jcristau> upstream's modular/release.sh has a "did you push stuff to git" check :)
[10:10] <tjaalton> yeah something similar might be possible
[11:46] <Prf_Jakob> Sarvatt: Thanks, with that ati driver built and installed, together with the kernel and firmware package I have kms on my cayman.
[13:33] <tjaalton> tseliot: is there a way to disable building fglrx dkms for kernels newer than what the driver supports?
[13:33] <tjaalton> new bugs keep flowing in, where the build fails against a backported kernel version
[13:34] <tjaalton> 20 per week
[13:36] <tseliot> tjaalton: I don't think so
[13:38] <tjaalton> dkms needs such a feature
[13:38] <tjaalton> since this will repeat every cycle
[13:41] <tseliot> tjaalton: do you mean a feature to make it skip module builds when using unsupported kernels?
[13:41] <tjaalton> tseliot: for those kernels, yes
[13:41] <tseliot> tjaalton: or are you thinking that it should return a different error
[13:42] <tjaalton> it shouldn't try to build the module
[13:42] <tseliot> ok
[13:42] <tjaalton> because otherwise apport kicks in
[13:43] <tseliot> I think we can ask Mario about it
[13:43] <tseliot> i.e. whether such feature would be accepted upstream
[13:45] <tjaalton> btw, why is _get_newest_kernel* from dkms's common.postinst duplicated in nvidia-current.postinst?
[13:45] <tjaalton> at least they look identical
[13:46] <tseliot> because I originally implemented that function in the nvidia package and then it was accepted in DKMS
[13:46] <tjaalton> ah
[13:46] <tseliot> I can get rid of it
[13:47] <tjaalton> _is_kernel_name_correct too
[13:47] <tseliot> I have other stuff I'm working on for nvidia so I could add that to my todo list
[13:47] <tseliot> yep
[13:47] <tjaalton> ok
[13:47] <tjaalton> cool
[14:17] <cnd> tjaalton, if you're still up for it, the source package for libavg is attached to bug 733247 now
[14:17] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 733247 in libavg (Ubuntu) "Please upgrade to libavg v1.5.4 (affects: 1) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/733247
[14:18] <cnd> I've been mentoring OXullo on packaging, he seems to have left the source.changes file
[14:18] <cnd> do you need that, or can you generate that yourself?
[14:18] <tjaalton> I can generate it
[14:19] <cnd> tjaalton, can you enlighten me on how you generate it? :)
[14:20] <tjaalton> dunno if there's a better approach than just extracting the source and debuild -S
[14:20] <tjaalton> the changelog needs a touch too
[14:22] <cnd> tjaalton, ahh, thought there might be a way without rebuilding
[14:25] <tjaalton> hmm didn't need to touch the changelog
[14:27] <cnd> tjaalton, I wondered why you would have needed to do that
[14:27] <tjaalton> dunno, some old habit I guess
[14:27] <tjaalton> cnd: anyway, uploaded
[14:28] <cnd> tjaalton, thanks!
[14:40] <tseliot> cnd: do you happen to know something that broke dragging here in LP: 733989 ?
[14:40] <tseliot> bug 733989
[14:40] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 733989 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) "dragging with Dell Mini 10v track pad is unforgiving (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/733989
[14:40] <cnd> tseliot, let me check
[14:41] <cnd> tseliot, I doubt anything has changed
[14:41] <cnd> there is a difference in natty though
[14:41] <tseliot> cnd: what difference?
[14:41] <cnd> we've enable semi-multitouch in the kernel driver
[14:41] <cnd> but I don't believe this should be causing click and drag to behave differently
[14:41] <cnd> I could be wrong though
[14:42] <cnd> actually, I may be wrong
[14:42] <tseliot> cnd: is there a way to disable it?
[14:42] <cnd> tseliot, let me check
[14:43] <cnd> I was driving the patches for the semi-multitouch functionality
[14:43] <cnd> but then I handed them off to someone else upstream
[14:43] <cnd> and actually, I'm not even sure if semi-multitouch is there :)
[14:43] <tseliot> cnd: ok, thanks
[14:44] <cnd> no, it's there
[14:44] <cnd> tseliot, do you have a mini to test with?
[14:44] <tseliot> cnd: yes, kind of
[14:45] <cnd> tseliot, ok, I'd suggest trying it out
[14:45] <cnd> there was one point where I added a hack to the kernel driver
[14:45] <cnd> to mask out touches in the button area
[14:45] <cnd> so that click and drag still worked
[14:45] <cnd> we may need to add that in
[14:46] <tseliot> cnd: yes, the main problem is that the screen doesn't work at times...
[14:46] <cnd> ugh
[14:46] <tjaalton> tseliot: filed bug 735505 against dkms
[14:46] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 735505 in dkms (Ubuntu) "RFC: add a mechanism to disable building a module for known bad kernels (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/735505
[14:47] <tseliot> tjaalton: ok, thanks, I'll discuss it with Mario
[14:47] <tjaalton> cool
[14:50] <lesshaste> which package has the radeon driver?
[15:07] <tjaalton> cnd: libavg failed to build on armel https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libavg/1.5.4-0ubuntu1/+buildjob/2322628
[15:08] <cnd> tjaalton, ahh, I'll take a look
[15:08] <tjaalton> assembler-goodness
[15:09] <jcastro> hi, are we supposed to be looking for volunteers? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Testing/ProprietaryDrivers/Natty/WeeklyProgram
[15:09] <jcastro> I ran into this page and said "oh maybe I can help here."
[15:10] <cnd> tjaalton, yeah, looks like it just won't work on arm...
[15:10] <cnd> I'll point this out to Oxullo, maybe he can fix it up
[15:10] <tjaalton> jcastro: there's no publid driver to test on ati
[15:11] <tjaalton> cnd: if it's not meant to build there, it can be fixed easily
[15:11] <tjaalton> *public
[15:11] <cnd> tjaalton, what do you propose to fix it?
[15:11] <cnd> other than actually fixing the source
[15:12] <cnd> do you mean to take arm out of the debian/control arch list?
[15:12] <tjaalton> cnd: it's "Architecture: any", change that to "i386, amd64"
[15:12] <cnd> yeah
[15:12] <tjaalton> or is it x86
[15:12] <tjaalton> dunno :P
[15:12] <tjaalton> i386, duh
[15:13] <tjaalton> powerpc failed too
[15:13] <jcristau> seems consistent with https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=libavg
[15:13] <tjaalton> hehe, right
[15:16] <cnd> tjaalton, jcristau: yeah, I'm thinking they'll probably just wittle the arch list down to x86
[15:17] <cnd> but maybe they can nop the one line that calls an x86 assembly function
[15:18] <tjaalton> actually the errors on debian were due to missing build-deps it seems
[15:18] <jcristau> hmm.  yeah.
[15:19] <jcristau> tjaalton: actually.  http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=580678#22
[15:19] <ubot4`> Debian bug 580678 in src:libavg "libavg - FTBFS: checking whether the Boost::Thread library is available... no" [Serious,Open]
[15:19] <jcristau> -msse ftl
[15:19] <tjaalton> uh
[16:31] <cnd> bryceh_, when you get a chance, please upload the new xinput (pitti approved it)
[19:47] <Sarvatt> bryceh_: did you upload intel already? you added a few extra sandybridge ids that shouldn't be in there
[19:48] <Sarvatt> 0100 0104 0108 are bridge chips not GPU's
[19:49] <bryceh_> oh ok
[19:50] <bryceh_> wasn't clear from https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/159971/
[19:50] <Sarvatt> guess it doesn't matter in the intel hook, i just added them to the compiz blacklist and blocked compiz on sandybridge systems using discrete gpus in the past :P
[21:03] <bryceh_> cnd, btw pushed
[21:04] <cnd> bryceh_, thanks :)
[21:04] <cnd> bryceh_, btw, we find out on thursday where we're moving to
[21:04] <cnd> exciting times
[21:04] <bryceh_> cnd, awesome :-)
[21:05] <bryceh_> cnd, if it turns out you're moving to Portland, bring a good umbrella.  It's been raining in sheets the last few days
[21:05] <cnd> ugh
[21:05] <cnd> now you tell me...
[21:05] <cnd> :)
[21:05] <bryceh_> and really windy
[21:06] <bryceh_> the other day I watched a humongous limb fall out of one of the trees onto my neighbor's roof
[21:06] <cnd> uh oh
[21:06] <cnd> did it do much damage?
[21:07] <bryceh_> fortunately not
[21:08] <bryceh_> they had workers out the next day and got everything back to normal in a couple hours
[21:08] <cnd> that's good
[22:15] <bdrung> i have font glitches (http://img192.imageshack.us/f/glitches.png/). against which package should i file a bug report? against the intel driver?
[22:16] <jcristau> probably
[22:17] <jcristau> http://intellinuxgraphics.org/how_to_report_bug.html
[22:19] <bryceh> bdrung, that looks like a bug we already know about (and I think I forwarded it upstream a while back)
[22:20] <bdrung> bryceh: bug number?
[22:20] <bryceh> sec
[22:21] <bryceh> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34584
[22:21] <ubot4`> Freedesktop bug 34584 in Driver/intel "[i945gm] Screen Corruption with new Xorg stack with terminal programs (bisected)" [Critical,New]
[22:22] <bryceh> even though it says terminal programs, people see it in firefox too
[22:23] <bdrung> i saw it in evolution and liferea too
[22:24] <bdrung> on all my intel system (including sandybridge)
[22:25] <bdrung> bryceh: should i comment this bug or open a new one?
[22:25] <bryceh> yep, it isn't a terminal-specific issue but something to do with text rendering so affects multiple apps
[22:25] <bryceh> bdrung, comment that bug
[22:26] <bryceh> bdrung, probably testing the git commit that ickle pointed to is the next action
[22:27] <RAOF> That should be available in the drm-intel-next kernel.
[22:27] <bryceh> doesn't sound like there's high confidence it would fix it, but feedback one way or the other would probably help move things forward
[22:27] <bdrung> i am running linux-image-2.6.38-999-generic_2.6.38-999.201103141005_amd64.deb
[22:28] <bdrung> the drm-intel-next kernel is affected too
[22:28] <bryceh> RAOF, btw do you mind chiming in on cnd's email?  I don't know offhand why that doesn't work, maybe you have a guess.
[22:28] <bryceh> bdrung, ok so yup that is probably going to be useful feedback for ickle
[22:31]  * RAOF checks his mail