[12:16] <raphink> adding a GPL header to each file does not even require a script
[12:16] <raphink> it fits on 1 command line
[12:16] <muzzol> ??
[12:16] <raphink> just make a file that contains the header
[12:17] <raphink> and do a
[12:17] <raphink> for file in *; do cat $file $gpl_header > $file; done
[12:17] <raphink> :)
[12:17] <raphink> well the opposite sorry
[12:17] <raphink> hehe
[12:18] <raphink> cat $gpl_header $file > $file
[12:18] <raphink> obviously
[12:18] <muzzol> ok
[12:18] <muzzol> wich is the next step?
[12:18] <muzzol> revu?
[12:18] <raphink> with the path to the file containing your header of course
[12:18] <raphink> well if you ahve to modify the upstream code
[12:18] <raphink> you have to send them the patch
[12:18] <raphink> you can't apply such a patch in a package
[12:19] <raphink> since you're potentially modifying the license
[12:19] <raphink> they have to release it themselves
[12:19] <raphink> once they release it after applying the patch
[12:19] <raphink> you can do the package and upload it to revu
[12:19] <LaserJock> raphink: that's the thing, upstream has refused, so far, to do it
[12:19] <raphink> or you could upload to revu already for sanity technicaly check
[12:19] <LaserJock> they think the COPYING file is sufficient
[12:20] <raphink> LaserJock: they have refused to do the job, would they refuse to apply a patch?
[12:20] <raphink> if it's lazyness, let's send a patch
[12:20] <raphink> if it's bad will, let's get some FSF guys on it
[12:20] <muzzol> raphink, the point is they dont want to be bothered. they are gpl believers but dont really take the time to do it right
[12:20] <LaserJock> well, the pretty much said they've released their code for years and it's Ubuntu's problem
[12:21] <raphink> Debian also refuses to take this app
[12:21] <LaserJock> they seem to be very anti-Ubuntu (the original author anyway)
[12:21] <raphink> and we know of projects who have been out for years and had issues with the FSF lately
[12:21] <raphink> namely Mepis iirc
[12:21] <LaserJock> sure
[12:22] <LaserJock> they have an email from the author that says all files are GPL'd
[12:22] <_MMA_> Well the "message" has been they done want to be bothered. We have one guy that really wants to work with us on the -CV branch but he isnt on ATM to help and chat here.
[12:22] <asantoni> I'm finally uploading that new Mixxx package to REVU. Chances are I screwed it up badly, but I'd appreciate it if someone could take a look at it sometime.
[12:22] <raphink> asantoni: how come it's numbered -1 ?
[12:23] <_MMA_> And that "email from the author" told us to go get Shuttleworth another space-trip. :-/ But we got permission.
[12:23] <raphink> errr
[12:23] <raphink> stupid guys it seems
[12:23] <raphink> would not make me want to package their app
[12:24] <muzzol> well raphink, thats the point
[12:24] <LaserJock> sure, but it's a "killer app" for a lotof people
[12:24] <muzzol> they're not so friendly, but there's a fork
[12:24] <muzzol> cinelerra-cv
[12:24] <raphink> yes
[12:24] <muzzol> and lot of friendly people
[12:24] <raphink> and this fork has had an ITP in Debian
[12:24] <muzzol> are around there
[12:24] <raphink> so work with the fork people
[12:24] <raphink> and provide patches to make it go faster
[12:24] <_MMA_> We do.
[12:24] <raphink> or ask for an access to the source itself
[12:24] <muzzol> well, the package im working is the one from cv fok
[12:25] <_MMA_> But they seem scared to stray too far.
[12:25] <raphink> anyway
[12:25] <raphink> sorry guys but I've got to wake up in 6 hours
[12:25] <raphink> ;)
[12:25] <_MMA_> They have alot of internal issues.
[12:25] <muzzol> ok, good night
[12:25] <_MMA_> Ok. Later.
[12:25] <raphink> thanks
[12:25] <raphink> bye
[12:25] <LaserJock> I think if you sent them the email and a patch and asked nicely because you want to get their app into Ubuntu
[12:25] <muzzol> LaserJock, what do you think?
[12:26] <muzzol> LaserJock, are you talking about cv or heroin warrior?
[12:26] <_MMA_> muzzol: He just told you. :)^^
[12:26] <LaserJock> cv
[12:26] <muzzol> ok
[12:26] <Adri2000> LaserJock: re- is my debdiff for genesis ok?
[12:26] <LaserJock> heroin warrior is done, as far as I can tell
[12:26] <muzzol> with cv there's no problem
[12:26] <LaserJock> Adri2000: I think so, I'll probably upload it shortly
[12:26] <muzzol> i'll ask them to add the header
[12:26] <Adri2000> LaserJock: ok, thanks
[12:26] <muzzol> there's also a problem with some fonts
[12:28] <_MMA_> muzzol: It wants the mscore fonts or something right?
[12:28] <LaserJock> well, so you guys know of any stuff that might be suspicious regarding license?
[12:28] <_MMA_> LaserJock: Not to our knowledge.
[12:28] <muzzol> not really
[12:28] <asantoni> raphink: it's numbered -1?
[12:28] <asantoni> lol
[12:28] <muzzol> i'll ask on cv list
[12:29] <LaserJock> well, I just can't see why -cv would not want to have properly licensed stuff
[12:29] <LaserJock> look at all the headache this has caused
[12:29] <_MMA_> muzzol: I think their list is a good place to work also.
[12:29] <LaserJock> and for sure, it will cause more headaches in the future until the clear it up
[12:29] <muzzol> LaserJock, is just a matter of lazyness
[12:30] <_MMA_> LaserJock: I get different stories of drama from different people on their channel.
[12:30] <_MMA_> I dont know what to make of any of it now.
[12:30] <LaserJock> well, sure, but to be honest, lazyness is unacceptable on this issue
[12:31] <LaserJock> it's simply *not* OK to distribute code with 3000 files with no license information
[12:31] <muzzol> that's not true
[12:31] <TheMuso> crimsun: Thanks dude.
[12:31] <muzzol> even in the "About" tab
[12:31] <muzzol> of cinelerra you can read GPL
[12:31] <muzzol> i big letters
[12:31] <crimsun> TheMuso: I presume you're going to ask heno to advocate, too?
[12:31] <muzzol> is just they've not added to every file
[12:32] <LaserJock> muzzol: but that is meaningless if it's not true
[12:32] <TheMuso> crimsun: Hadn't thought of that, but yeah I will.
[12:32] <crimsun> TheMuso: (and/or dholbach)
[12:32] <muzzol> but is true, LaserJock
[12:32] <LaserJock> no it's not
[12:32] <LaserJock> not unless it's written in the code
[12:32] <muzzol> well, the mail i've received from HW says so
[12:32] <LaserJock> if I have a tarball that is half GPL and half BSD licensed
[12:32] <LaserJock> and claim it's GPL, I'm wrong
[12:32] <TheMuso> crimsun: Good suggestion.
[12:33] <LaserJock> so just because the help says it's GPL'd doesnt really make it so, IMO
[12:33] <LaserJock> that's what needs to be fixed
[12:35] <muzzol> ok
[12:35] <LaserJock> muzzol: I'm on your side dude :-)
[12:35] <LaserJock> I'm just saying, that it is an issue that -cv should care about
[12:35] <muzzol> :D
[12:37] <LaserJock> I don't know all the legalities, but I'm not sure that a blanket license over the tarball (COPYING) is sufficient
[12:38] <muzzol> ok, i'll write to the list
[12:42] <LaserJock> according to the GPL Howto you should put copyright and license info at the top of *every* source code file
[12:42] <LaserJock> http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-howto.html
[01:09] <LaserJock> Adri2000: uploaded genesis
[01:28] <asantoni> can someone review this when they're bored? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4222
[01:32] <Adri2000> asantoni: the diff.gz seems empty
[01:32] <asantoni> uh oh
[01:33] <asantoni> I used "dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa" to generate the source package
[01:33] <asantoni> does that sound right?
[01:33] <asantoni> (btw, thanks Adri2000)
[01:34] <Adri2000> yes, dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa should be ok
[01:35] <asantoni> ok, yeah, I take it my diff.gz shouldn't be empty then?
[01:35] <Adri2000> right
[01:36] <asantoni> this is going to be hard to explain
[01:36] <asantoni> It's empty because of the way I packaged it
[01:36] <asantoni> What's supposed to be in the diff.gz? The difference between my sources and the official Mixxx sources?
[01:37] <Adri2000> yes, the debian/ dir in fact
[01:38] <asantoni> ok, well I'll try it again
[01:38] <Adri2000> you shouldn't change the original tarball provided by upstream
[01:38] <asantoni> I just did complete rebuild (dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot), and now I'm running the dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa
[01:39] <asantoni> Adri2000: That's the problem... I _am_ the upstream
[01:39] <asantoni> I'm one of the Mixxx developers.
[01:40] <Adri2000> upstream doesn't have to take care of distros packaging, so don't ship the debian/ directory in the tarball
[01:40] <asantoni> I had to remove some non-free stuff from the sources
[01:40] <asantoni> ok, that was my mistake... I kept having to restart the packaging process, after tweaking the sources... I can fix that
[01:45] <asantoni> is there a way I can tell uupdate to NOT apply the patches that are shipped with the old version?
[01:49] <asantoni> I'm just going to try to do this part by hand
[01:53] <LaserJock> asantoni: if you had to take some non-free stuff out you might want to add dfsg versioning and a note in README.Debian noting that
[01:53] <asantoni> LaserJock: what's dfsg versioning?
[01:54] <asantoni> I'm going to try to push the changes that I've made upstream for the future... I think we can do without the non-free stuff
[01:56] <asantoni> Ok, I've added the note in README.Debian :)
[01:56] <asantoni> (and my diff.gz isn't zero anymore)
[01:57] <asantoni> I'm going to re-upload in a few minutes
[01:58] <asantoni> I ditched the -1 versioning too
[01:58] <LaserJock> asantoni: http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-best-pkging-practices.en.html#s-bpp-origtargz
[02:00] <LaserJock> asantoni: in synaptic do a search by version of dfsg
[02:00] <LaserJock> there are quite a few packages
[02:00] <asantoni> are we talking like -ubuntu here?
[02:01] <LaserJock> well, it will probably go before the -ubuntu but yeah
[02:01] <asantoni> guess not, there's tons of those -dfsg packages
[02:02] <asantoni> yeah, the old Mixxx package didn't have a dfsg version on it, and it should have
[02:02] <LaserJock> scribus for instance, has <IP_ADDRESS>.dfsg-1ubuntu5 in Edgy
[02:02] <asantoni> hmm
[02:02] <LaserJock> it just lets people know that something was removed to make it "free"
[02:03] <asantoni> do I have to do the crazy repackaging thing, or can I just tack on the -dsfg tag?
[02:03] <asantoni> (and by that I mean repackaging the .orig.tar.gz)
[02:03] <LaserJock> well, you should take out the non-free stuff from the .orig.tar.gz of course
[02:04] <asantoni> yeah, I did
[02:04] <asantoni> ok
[02:31] <lfittl> zakame: I found another person who has a lot more time for this package than me, so I suggested him taking over the ITP today, hopefully this will lead to a package quickly
[02:52] <asantoni> Is there a way I can tell dpkg-buildpackage explicitly where my .orig.tar.gz file is? It can't seem to find mine
[02:54] <LaserJock> asantoni: check out dpkg-source -b in the man page
[02:54] <asantoni> ok, thanks
[02:55] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:56] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[02:56] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[02:58] <bddebian> What's happening?
[02:59] <jdong_> bddebian: silence :)
[02:59] <jdong_> and more silence :)
[02:59] <LaserJock> well ...
[02:59] <LaserJock> I'm working on a poster for a conference
[02:59] <LaserJock> doing some writing
[02:59] <jdong_> actually, bddebian we were just talking about how automatix is approved for main in feisty.
[02:59] <jdong_> ^_^
[02:59] <LaserJock> trying to figure out how to work with LP specs when I have no access to the LP wiki
[02:59] <bddebian> WTF is automatix?
[03:00] <LaserJock> jdong_: you bad, bad boy
[03:00] <poningru> bddebian: a really really lame automatic installation script
[03:00] <jdong_> LaserJock: hehe
[03:00] <poningru> jdong: it is?
[03:00] <jdong_> poningru: yeah, accepted after a long fight
[03:00] <jdong_> but it'll be default
[03:00] <jdong_> in the new control center!
[03:00] <poningru> 0.o
[03:01] <LaserJock> lol
[03:01] <jdong_> lol
[03:01] <jdong_> lol
[03:02] <jdong_> ok, enough harassing devs for one day :D
[03:03] <asantoni> sigh
[03:03] <asantoni> LaserJock: for whatever reason, I can't get "dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa" to spit me out the .diff.gz anymore :(
[03:04] <LaserJock> asantoni: check the .orig.tar.gz
[03:04] <asantoni> I thought maybe it was because it wasn't finding the orig.tar.gz, but I really don't know what's going on
[03:04] <LaserJock> it's possible you put everything in there
[03:04] <jdong_> well, time to eat dinner....
[03:04] <jdong_> it's late
[03:04] <jdong_> in fact, it's ` python -c 'import time; print time.ctime(time.time()*2**64/2**64+6435-5432-10**3-3)'`
[03:04] <asantoni> ohhh
[03:04] <asantoni> ok, yeah, I'll doublecheck that
[03:09] <Fujitsu> asantoni, make sure you have a -0ubuntu1 or similar in the version.
[03:09] <asantoni> Fujitsu: I do, but something's still getting confused. Hang on, I'll post the output in pastebin
[03:10] <asantoni> Laser
[03:10] <Hobbsee> upstream tarball is probably not name_upstreamversion.orig.tar.gz
[03:10] <asantoni> oops
[03:10] <Hobbsee> asantoni: ^
[03:10] <asantoni> It is though
[03:10] <asantoni> I think
[03:10] <asantoni> hang on
[03:10] <asantoni> LaserJock/Fujitsu/Hobbsee: http://pastebin.com/869919
[03:10] <Fujitsu> Brb, lunch,.
[03:10] <asantoni> k
[03:12] <asantoni> and the .orig.tar.gz filename is: mixxx_1.5.0svn~070125.dfsg-1-0ubuntu1.tar.gz
[03:12] <Fujitsu> There's the problem.
[03:12] <asantoni> ?
[03:12] <asantoni> oops
[03:12] <Fujitsu> Drop the -1-0ubuntu1 from the filename, and make it .orig.tar.gz.
[03:12] <asantoni> I missed something
[03:12] <asantoni> yeah
[03:12] <asantoni> ok
[03:12] <asantoni> I forgot to type in the .orig.tar.gz
[03:12] <Fujitsu> Now, I'm off to lunch.
[03:12] <asantoni> ok, thanks
[03:12] <asantoni> I'll give it a shot
[03:16] <asantoni> sweet
[03:16] <asantoni> I think it's working
[03:17] <asantoni> I had to rename the source directory to mixxx_1.5.0svn~070125.dfsg-1 and the file to mixxx_1.5.0svn~070125.dfsg-1.orig.tar.gz
[03:19] <asantoni> Yeah, thanks a ton for the help guys :)
[03:19] <asantoni> (you all have way too much patience, lol)
[03:19] <bddebian> NP, glad to be of service ;-P
[03:19] <asantoni> :)
[03:25] <Fujitsu> What is the reason for the -1 on the upstream version?
[03:26] <asantoni> me?
[03:26] <bddebian> To make you ask questions :)
[03:27] <Fujitsu> asantoni, yes.
[03:27] <asantoni> .... ...... ... I ... don't know
[03:28] <asantoni> I was told to add a -dfsg version to it, and when I looked at all the packages in synpatic that had that tag on them, I noticed that most of them had a -1 on them too
[03:28] <asantoni> I just followed the trend
[03:28] <asantoni> lol
[03:28] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[03:28] <asantoni> Is that a bad thing?
[03:28] <Fujitsu> The -1 is the Debian/Ubuntu version, so shouldn't be part of the upstream version.
[03:28] <asantoni> ohh
[03:29] <asantoni> how can you tell I put it in the upstream version? (ie. where?)
[03:29] <Fujitsu> Anything before the last hyphen is the upstream version.
[03:29] <Fujitsu> (and it's in the filename)
[03:29] <asantoni> ahhh
[03:29] <Fujitsu> The version should probably be 1.5.0~svn20070125dfsg-0ubuntu1
[03:30] <asantoni> ok, sounds good
[03:30] <asantoni> thanks, I'll make that change
[03:30] <ajmitch> what a mess of a version
[03:30] <Fujitsu> And the filename for the .tar.gz should be mixxx_1.5.0~svn20070125dfsg.orig.tar.gz.
[03:30] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, not the worst I've seen.
[03:30] <LaserJock> hmm, anybody know if MS Office works in wine?
[03:30] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, I believe 97 does, but nothing more recent, AFAIK.
[03:30] <bddebian> Egads, like OO.o isn't bloated enough? :-)
[03:31] <Fujitsu> eg. azureus_<IP_ADDRESS>repack1-0ubuntu1~proposed1
[03:31] <Fujitsu> Oops, <IP_ADDRESS>repack1-0ubuntu1.6.10~proposed1
[03:31] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: bummer, I've only got XP
[03:34] <LaserJock> arggg, first boot into Windows in months
[03:34] <LaserJock> this is nasty
[03:34] <asantoni> repack? sounds like a DVD screener
[03:35] <LaserJock> oh geeze, now it's trying to install IE7
[03:35] <asantoni> ok, uploading yet another revision of the package, this time with the version (hopefully) fixed. :)
[03:36] <LaserJock> oh how I wait for the day when I can get rid of MS Office
[03:37] <ajmitch> LaserJock: get rid of it now
[03:37] <LaserJock> I wish
[03:37] <bddebian> LaserJock: What do you still use it for?
[03:37] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[03:37] <LaserJock> PowerPoint
[03:37] <bddebian> Ahh
[03:37] <LaserJock> that's all I need basically
[03:37] <bddebian> I freakin' hate powerpoint :)
[03:38] <ajmitch> hello
[03:38] <LaserJock> I *could* do everything in LaTeX but that takes so much longer
[03:38] <ajmitch> or OOo, if you're a masochist
[03:39] <asantoni> go little 1 megabit internet connection, go!
[03:39] <LaserJock> well, right now my presentation is a MS/OS X/Ubuntu OO.o/Office combo
[03:39] <LaserJock> basically, a mess
[03:39] <asantoni> haha
[03:39] <asantoni> I did one of those, with an embedded video... what a nightmare
[03:40] <LaserJock> I'm waiting for an appointment to get Office installed on my work machine
[03:40] <asantoni> ahhh, bummer
[03:40] <LaserJock> in the meantime I've got the mac OO.o on there which is not so great
[03:41] <LaserJock> brb, gotta restart XP (of course :( )
[03:41] <Fujitsu> :(
[03:44] <asantoni> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4225
[03:44] <asantoni> :D
[03:44] <asantoni> you guys know the drill, tear it to shreds
[03:45] <asantoni> (btw the lib and src directory thing is right, don't worry about that)
[03:45] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: powerpoint 97 makes much more sense.
[03:51] <asantoni> *tumbleweed blows by* ...
[03:52] <bddebian> asantoni: You'll get used to that :-)
[03:52] <bddebian> Heya geser
[03:52] <asantoni> :)
[03:53] <LaserJock> phew, back
[03:53] <bddebian> Gggaaahhh #$%!^ tilp2
[03:53] <LaserJock> had to hard reboot
[03:53] <LaserJock> stupid Windows
[03:54] <geser> Hi bddebian
[03:58] <bddebian> somerville32: You here?
[03:58] <somerville32> bddebian, Always, baby ;]
[03:59] <bddebian> Heh.   I'm going to just redo this in OO.o
[04:07] <asantoni> does REVU send me a cake when my package is accepted?
[04:08] <bddebian> Not hardley
[04:08] <bddebian> Err hardly even :-)
[04:08] <jdong_> asantoni: yeah, but they ship it via ShipIt so it'll be two years past expiration when you get it :(
[04:08] <asantoni> hahahaha
[04:09] <bddebian> Damn I don't know why I decided to take on this tilp2
[04:09] <Fujitsu> bddebian, I took a look and ran away rapidly.
[04:09] <Fujitsu> (after wasting a couple of hours on it)
[04:09] <jdong_> what a lovely day
[04:09] <jdong_> I think I will say some random words
[04:10] <jdong_> badger badger badger badger AZUREUS SRU badger badger badger......
[04:10] <jdong_> MUSHROOM MUSHROOM :)
[04:10] <jdong_> but on a more serious note, how's your weekend been, Fujitsu?
[04:10] <Fujitsu> As I spent most of it in transit from Taizhou to Melbourne, not all that great :P
[04:11] <Fujitsu> jdong, I can't do anything about it. It's waiting on a third ack from motu-sru.
[04:11] <jdong_> ah, ok :)
[04:17] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: who's ack'd it so far?
[04:23] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, crimsun and sistpoty.
[04:23] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: URL?
[04:23] <Fujitsu> https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/edgy/+source/azureus/+bug/42269
[04:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42269 in azureus "[SRU]  Does not create a tray icon" [Undecided,In progress]
[04:23] <Fujitsu> Er, you might want to knock the beta. out of that URL.
[04:23] <Hobbsee> interesting URL
[04:23] <Hobbsee> yes, most dont have access ot it
[04:24] <Fujitsu> Yeah, but I just copied the URL out of my address bar.
[04:25] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: that reminds me, did you see the log of the last MOTU meeting?
[04:25] <Fujitsu> I saw the minutes, I think.
[04:26] <LaserJock> I've got a MOTU section on the LP dev meeting agenda now
[04:26] <Fujitsu> Oh, good!
[04:31] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Have you got anything to bring up with them yet?
[04:32] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: he, yes
[04:32] <LaserJock> heh
[04:32] <Fujitsu> eg?
[04:32] <LaserJock> I've got a list of 27 Malone bugs
[04:32] <Fujitsu> Hahah.
[04:32] <Fujitsu> Is there something about release nomination permissions in there?
[04:33] <LaserJock> and I've 9 Soyuz bugs
[04:33] <LaserJock> yeah
[04:33] <Fujitsu> Is the current list available somewhere?
[04:34] <Fujitsu> And are the LP devs actually going to take some notice, and say more than just `post-1.0'?
[04:35] <LaserJock> I'm just maintaining the list manually for now
[04:35] <Fujitsu> OK.
[04:35] <stochastic> hi, I'm a newbie to package building but I wanted to attempt to build a deb for the open source programming language ChucK, can anyone point me to some good howtos
[04:35] <LaserJock> eventually I think we will get our own LP tag
[04:36] <Fujitsu> !packagingguide
[04:36] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[04:36] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: yes, the LP guys are really awesome
[04:36] <Fujitsu> stochastic, ^^
[04:36] <stochastic> thanks
[04:36] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, I beg to differ, in quite a number of cases.
[04:36] <Fujitsu> Although I have seen others where they have been really awesome.
[04:36] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: they've been really responsive for me so far
[04:37] <LaserJock> we are working on allowing motu-sru to approve -proposed uploads
[04:37] <LaserJock> I'm getting LP set up so that we can use it for new package requests
[04:38] <Fujitsu> How would the latter work?
[04:38] <LaserJock> we are going to use a tag
[04:38] <Fujitsu> What would it be filed against?
[04:38] <LaserJock> ubuntu
[04:38] <LaserJock> I didn't want to use a tag because that can get messy
[04:38] <Fujitsu> True.
[04:38] <TheMuso> Where can one find out how tags work in LP?
[04:38] <TheMuso> I haven't had to deal with them... yet.
[04:38] <Fujitsu> Speaking of them, we need to kill off 99% of the current tags.
[04:39] <Fujitsu> TheMuso, lucky. Don't go near them, IMO.
[04:39] <LaserJock> so I'm having them add in functionality to allow for "preloading" of tags in +filebug
[04:39] <TheMuso> Oh yeah I hope to join your ranks after this weeks tb meeting as well.
[04:39] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, that'd be good.
[04:39] <LaserJock> TheMuso: yeah?
[04:39] <Fujitsu> TheMuso, that would also be good!
[04:39] <Fujitsu> When is the meeting?
[04:40] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Applied for motu
[04:40] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: Wed morning our time.
[04:40] <TheMuso> 7:00 AM
[04:40] <Fujitsu> Hahah, first day of school.
[04:40] <TheMuso> hahaha
[04:40] <stochastic> exit
[04:41] <TheMuso> But I'm telling you guys now. I will probably need at least a week to settle in, and make sure I myself don't do anything stupid before I even consider starting to review other people's work.
[04:42] <LaserJock> heh, I expect at least 5 uploads in the first 24hrs
[04:42] <TheMuso> lol
[04:42] <TheMuso> brb
[04:45] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: so if you have any LP suggestions for MOTU I can work on them :-)
[04:45] <Fujitsu> I will let you know when I recall some.
[04:45] <Fujitsu> The one I've hit since I've been back is the release targetting one.
[04:46] <TheMuso> I may help getting through some outstanding merges as my first MOTU task
[04:46] <LaserJock> I was amazed how many I thought of were like at least a year old
[04:46] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: yeah, I know that one is being fixed
[04:46] <bddebian> OK, I'm having a brain fart.  I'm getting this:
[04:46] <Fujitsu> that's what we need a lot of, TheMuso.
[04:46] <bddebian> dh_install: libticonv-dev missing files (usr/include/*), aborting
[04:46] <bddebian> But debian/tmp/usr/include/... has files
[04:46] <Mez> dh_install --sourcedir debian/tmp
[04:47] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: I know.
[04:47] <bddebian> Mez: Gah, thx
[04:48] <Mez> bddebian, np - I had the same thing recently ;)
[04:48] <TheMuso> Is there plans for a merge day or something? :)
[04:49] <asantoni> random thought: so what do I do now guys (re: mixxx package)? just wait and see what people say? (If it's good, it'll get into Universe before the UVF right?)
[04:51] <LaserJock> asantoni: you uploaded it to REVU?
[04:52] <asantoni> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4225
[04:52] <asantoni> yup
[04:52] <asantoni> 4 times :P
[04:52] <asantoni> haha
[04:52] <LaserJock> asantoni: yeah, so wait for some MOTUs to have a look
[04:52] <asantoni> ok, sounds good, thanks :)
[04:52] <LaserJock> a little poking helps
[04:52] <LaserJock> ;-)
[04:52] <asantoni> what's the turnover time like usually?
[04:52] <asantoni> :)
[04:52] <LaserJock> it really depends
[04:52] <LaserJock> realistically it can take some time
[04:53] <asantoni> what are the odds in getting this in before the UVF then?
[04:53] <TheMuso> Particularly since our focus is merges atm. RIght LaserJock?
[04:53] <LaserJock> yes
[04:53] <LaserJock> asantoni: it needs to be in before Feature Freeze
[04:53] <LaserJock> and if you hang around it's pretty high
[04:54] <LaserJock> we'll be doing at least one REVU Sprint between UVF and FF
[04:54] <asantoni> yay :)
[04:54] <asantoni> when IS the feature freeze?
[04:54] <LaserJock> Feb 22nd for Universe I think
[04:55] <asantoni> ok, I can sit tight then :)
[04:55] <asantoni> (maybe do a little poking on occasion, heh)
[04:55] <asantoni> Thanks LaserJock
[04:56] <sponix> anyone working on Smart Card Access (CAC) -- coolkey ?
[04:56] <LaserJock> asantoni: for you reference https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule
[04:56] <LaserJock> sponix: I'd check the Ubuntu specs
[04:56] <asantoni> awesome, thanks
[04:57] <LaserJock> sponix: we generally don't know what everyone is working on offhand
[04:58] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Any ideas on how many people do MOTU related work in any cycle? Considering that the team does have 60 odd people.
[04:59] <bddebian> We do?
[04:59] <LaserJock> TheMuso: it depends
[04:59] <TheMuso> bddebian: Check the LP team.
[04:59] <LaserJock> I'd say 10 MOTUs do at least 90% of the work
[04:59] <Fujitsu> A way to check is to look at the mailing list archives.
[04:59] <Fujitsu> (distrorelease-changes)
[05:00] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: Yeah true. I tend to lirk more than post.
[05:00] <LaserJock> well, that's not always a good judge either
[05:00] <Fujitsu> You can't post to that list...
[05:00] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, how not?
[05:00] <LaserJock> sponsorships
[05:00] <TheMuso> Just one thing I noticed when I was going through the member lists for the team, particularly proposed members.
[05:00] <sponix> LaserJock: the launchpad doesn't show it as a project :(
[05:00] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, true.
[05:00] <sponix> LaserJock: is there another place to check (url) ?
[05:01] <TheMuso> I noticed that a few people have recently proposed to join the team, as in this month, but they don't have wiki pages up, or very much in the way of Launchpad details.
[05:01] <LaserJock> some people do a lot of sponsorships and that wouldn't show up
[05:01] <TheMuso> There are a few that do, but not all.
[05:01] <LaserJock> sponix: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+specs
[05:01] <TheMuso> Should we possibly check the proposed members list occasionally, and if people don't recognise the name/nick, and haven't got everything needed to join the team, that we tell them what is needed to join?
[05:01] <LaserJock> TheMuso: for what team?
[05:01] <sponix> LaserJock: thanks
[05:01] <TheMuso> When it comes to tb and in the future motu council meetings, wouldn't that save time if there were only people on the list who are legitimately wanting to join?
[05:01] <Fujitsu> TheMuso, I believe dholbach does that before the TB meetings.
[05:02] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Sorry, the ubuntu-dev team
[05:02] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: Right
[05:02] <TheMuso> Was not sure.
[05:02] <sponix> LaserJock: I'm having trouble getting it to build, or I would just take the project myself (with permission of course)
[05:02] <LaserJock> TheMuso: yeah, that is done
[05:02] <LaserJock> sponix: what to build?
[05:03] <TheMuso> Ok then, never mind me. :)
[05:03] <LaserJock> sponix: what are you trying to build? I meant to say
[05:09] <somerville32> Hobbsee, You ok?
[05:10] <Hobbsee> somerville32: yeah.  accidental large paste
[05:10] <sponix> LaserJock: coolkey, its smart card reader software (Common Access Cards)
[05:10] <TheMuso> somerville32: I am sure she is. I think she did that on purpose.
[05:10] <sponix> mainly used by Goverment (DoD) for authentication
[05:10] <LaserJock> !info feisty coolkey
[05:10] <ubotu> Package feisty does not exist in edgy
[05:10] <somerville32> TheMuso: thanks.
[05:10] <sponix> Fedora has it, and its Open Source, just a mater of getting it to build
[05:11] <sponix> SuSE/Novell has it as well... There is commercial support (Active Client), but I would like something free
[05:11] <LaserJock> sponix: ok, well you might want to check REVU
[05:11] <LaserJock> !revu
[05:11] <ubotu> REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[05:12] <LaserJock> and then if there isn't anything there you could work on it yourself
[05:12] <sponix> I'd like to Ubuntu my workplace eventually, and then move on to most of the post (I hate MS software)
[05:16] <sponix> not there either, I'll beg this guy that works at Novell ;)
[05:17] <somerville32> :]
[05:30] <somerville32> bddebian, Did you review xfce4-wavelan-plugin?
[05:31] <bddebian> somerville32: Not yet sorry
[06:00] <somerville32> imbrandon, When will the build boxes be ready? I'm dying to use them :P
[06:01] <LaserJock> it might be some time before it's fully up and running
[06:03] <TheMuso> LaserJock: DO you mean MOTUS getting access to architectures other than what they have in hardware to debug/test build?
[06:04] <LaserJock> TheMuso: brandon has a build farm going
[06:04] <TheMuso> Ah cool.
[06:04] <LaserJock> i386, amd64, and perhaps ppc
[06:05] <TheMuso> Right.
[06:05] <LaserJock> he's going to authenticate via ubuntu-dev team I think
[06:05] <somerville32> My 333's lack of processing power impedes
[06:07] <LaserJock> me too
[06:07] <ajmitch> why do you need x86_64 access?
[06:07] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Well I don't *NEED* it, but if something crops up with amd64 that needs more than just a build log to fix, its nice to have access to a box to do that.
[06:07] <LaserJock> for 64bit bugs
[06:09] <LaserJock> I'd like to poke the LP devs on an ETA for PPA but I'm sure it's RSN ;-)
[06:09] <TheMuso> PPA?
[06:10] <somerville32> Can anyone else let me use their box to build on? lol
[06:10] <LaserJock> TheMuso: Personal Package Archives
[06:10] <ajmitch> TheMuso: personal package archives
[06:12] <TheMuso> ah ok
[06:12] <LaserJock> once PPA lands anybody will be able to upload and build packages
[06:12] <TheMuso> I've got webspace to do that if I *Really* want to do that
[06:12] <ajmitch> and the world will be a better place
[06:12] <ajmitch> webspace doesn't give you buildds\
[06:13] <TheMuso> True.
[06:13] <LaserJock> I can see 1000 beryl .debs on LP
[06:13] <LaserJock> ;-)
[06:13] <ajmitch> don't make me cry
[06:13] <ajmitch> you know all those broken debs on the forums?
[06:14] <ajmitch> they'll be on launchpad now, nice & official ;)
[06:14] <LaserJock> yep
[06:14] <LaserJock> sometimes I wonder where Mark gets his crack ;-)
[06:14] <LaserJock> hang in there ScottK
[06:15] <ScottK> Hanging.
[06:15] <LaserJock> it'll all be worth it when Debian comes complaining that you messed with there packages
[06:15] <ajmitch> LaserJock: he spins the cube
[06:15] <ScottK> I've got a spare hard drive I can swap into my laptop.  I'm gonna make a real Feisty install and work on it there.
[06:15] <LaserJock> and Ubuntu users file bugs for "not yet released" versions
[06:16] <ScottK> courier user...
[06:17] <ScottK> I'll also have all the fun of explaining why I put this stack of bugs into BTS and I don't even use courier....
[06:17] <LaserJock> ahh, the joys of MOTU work :-)
[06:17] <ScottK> IIRC I can use courier auth daemon with Postfix now.  Maybe I'll have to give it a try...
[06:18] <ajmitch> LaserJock: don't get bitter now...
[06:19] <LaserJock> me?!?!
[06:19] <LaserJock> ;-)
[06:20] <ScottK> OK.  I gotta make a little progress on this and go to bed.    Didn't mean to kill the conversation.
[06:28] <LaserJock> ScottK: review requests tend to do that ;-)
[06:28] <bddebian> heh
[06:28] <ajmitch> lies
[06:28] <somerville32> :)
[06:30] <LaserJock> I'm not really sure how that's going to go
[06:31] <ScottK> From kubuntu users on riddell's decision not to do KDE 3.5.6 packages for Dapper "KDE 3.5.5 is released fr 6.06.01 LTS - also it must be bugfixed or upgraded !"
[06:31] <ScottK> From that's guy's sig, "automatiX Professionell Support (current on duty)"
[06:32] <ScottK> There.  That should get you going again.
[06:36] <LaserJock> ScottK: argggg
[06:36] <somerville32> bddebian, Think you'll be able to review my texmaker merge here in a second?
[06:37] <LaserJock> somerville32: you can subscribe u-u-s you know :-)
[06:37] <crimsun> ...except there's no actual debdiff attached to #82069
[06:38] <somerville32> crimsun: The operative words being "in a second" :P
[06:38] <crimsun> ask for a review _after_ it's there, else we spin on it being available
[06:38] <somerville32> I just want to make sure it builds before I upload the debdiff
[06:42] <Hobbsee> ScottK: it'll probably eventually be done for dapper
[06:42] <Hobbsee> ScottK: mind you, the time it takes to build....
[06:44] <crimsun> heh. beryl* was rejected from Debian due to debian/copyright not being complete.
[06:44] <LaserJock> crimsun: but there are also 23 bugs filed against beryl-core :-)
[06:44] <crimsun> on LP or on BTS?
[06:44] <LaserJock> LP
[06:44] <LaserJock> it's an LP bug (IMO)
[06:44] <crimsun> and they're not all rejected?
[06:45] <LaserJock> somebody had to go through and reject them
[06:45] <LaserJock> although I think it's a shame if they are real bugs
[06:45] <ajmitch> crimsun: I'm so sad that beryl got rejected - where did you see this?
[06:46] <crimsun> ajmitch: debian-x (forwarded by david nusinow)
[06:46] <LaserJock> who uploaded it?
[06:47] <crimsun> http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2007/01/msg01807.html  and a couple others
[06:48] <ajmitch> shame
[06:49] <LaserJock> oh, rejected in Debian
[06:49] <LaserJock> I meant rejected in Ubuntu
[06:49] <crimsun> LaserJock: yes, that part was understood
[06:49] <LaserJock> so dual rejection
[06:51] <ajmitch> so who thinks we'll be shipping beryl by default in feisty?
[06:51] <LaserJock> I doubt compiz even
[06:51] <ajmitch> compiz gives me far too many issues
[06:52] <ajmitch> even on nice free drivers like i915
[06:52] <Hobbsee> we've decided not to for kubuntu
[06:53] <LaserJock> I wonder what the user backlash would be
[06:53] <TheMuso> Anybody got any idea where libGLw has vanished? According to packages.debian.org, it is in libgl1-mesa-swx11-dev as a static library, but I can't find the same file in feisty, and a package I am trying to merge needs it.
[06:53] <ajmitch> TheMuso: ask bddebian about that one :)
[06:53] <LaserJock> heh
[06:53] <bddebian> Noooo
[06:53] <LaserJock> I was going to say the same thing
[06:53] <bddebian> :)
[06:53] <TheMuso> ajmitch: ?
[06:53] <TheMuso> bddebian: You tried the same thing I assume?
[06:53] <ajmitch> TheMuso: he's been having great fun with it
[06:54] <bddebian> TheMuso: Which package are you trying?
[06:54] <TheMuso> bddebian: Let me guess... xbvl?
[06:54] <bddebian> Yep
[06:54] <bddebian> It won't build with --without-MESA either :-(
[06:54] <TheMuso> I haven't got that far.
[06:54] <TheMuso> Lovely
[06:55] <TheMuso> bddebian: Have you given up on it yet?
[06:55] <LaserJock> are most of the outstanding merges on MoM just sync requests?
[06:56] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Not sure.
[06:56] <LaserJock> or are they "nobody could get it to work" ones like xbvl
[06:56] <TheMuso> I have looked at a few, but they have had a lot of file conflicts, and I haven't felt up to tracking them all down yet.
[06:56] <LaserJock> we really need to get Scott to add a comments field to MoM
[06:56] <TheMuso> Couldn't give you exact pkg names atm
[06:56] <bddebian> TheMuso: Until I can talk to a core-dev I have
[06:56] <TheMuso> Hey yeah that would rock
[06:56] <TheMuso> Right.
[06:56] <crimsun> TheMuso: we don't ship libGLw.a due to lesstif2-dev not being a build-dependency
[06:56] <bddebian> LaserJock: A lot of them are bunk
[06:57] <bddebian> Either a waste of time or build failures
[06:57] <ajmitch> packages that should be dropped
[06:57] <ajmitch> they're not worth the time wasted on them
[06:57] <ajmitch> package triage!
[06:57] <TheMuso> heh
[06:57] <ajmitch> be brutal :)
[06:58] <TheMuso> So going by what you are all saying, it looks like all have been looked over by at least one person, and been left. :)
[06:58] <ajmitch> maybe, maybe not
[06:58] <LaserJock> well, we should also take a look at the updated merges and non-ubuntuX versioned packages to see if we want anything before UVF
[06:58] <ajmitch> depends if bddebian has looked or not
[06:58] <ajmitch> LaserJock: definitely essential, so I'd better get on with bug scraping
[06:59] <bddebian> I have looked at almost all of the merges but very few of the updated merges
[06:59] <LaserJock> there are 686 outdated non-ubuntuX versioned packages right now
[06:59] <ajmitch> all of those need to be checked for bugs that have been fixed in debian, but not in ubuntu
[06:59] <LaserJock> yep
[07:00] <LaserJock> generally I look for new upstream versions first
[07:00] <LaserJock> but new Debian revisions can do a lot of bug fixing too :/
[07:00] <ajmitch> oh goody, I still have my code for getting version differences
[07:00] <LaserJock> go ajmitch go!
[07:01] <bddebian> A good portion of them seem to be ones that were in Ubuntu first and are now in Debian
[07:01] <ajmitch>          ["http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper/universe/source/Sources.gz",
[07:01] <ajmitch>           "DpUniverse"] ] ,
[07:01] <ajmitch> old code
[07:01] <ajmitch> pfft
[07:03] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: package triage is much better than bug traiage.
[07:04] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: I agree
[07:04] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: heck yeah, think how many bugs we could close if we just removed Xorg ;-)
[07:04] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: we have a lot of crap that people waste time on
[07:04] <TheMuso> lol
[07:04] <imbrandon> LaserJock, lol
[07:04] <ajmitch> I should add experimental into this mix..
[07:04] <LaserJock> brandon!
[07:04] <imbrandon> uht oh i spoke
[07:04] <imbrandon> :)
[07:04] <ajmitch> since people are uploading new stuff to experimental while unstable is slushy/frozen
[07:04] <ajmitch> hey imbrandon
[07:05] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch
[07:05] <ajmitch> poor amd64
[07:05] <imbrandon> woot , next 3 days off
[07:05] <ajmitch> cranking away, working on version comparisons between feisty & debian
[07:05] <imbrandon> time to get some stuff finished up
[07:05] <LaserJock> \o/
[07:05] <imbrandon> ajmitch, nice, mdt ?
[07:05] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: indeed.  wonder if we could actually remove the old broken ones
[07:06] <ajmitch> imbrandon: nah, this predates mdt
[07:06] <imbrandon> ahh
[07:06] <ajmitch> imbrandon: compares them in a few seconds
[07:06] <TheMuso> Heya imbrandon!
[07:06] <imbrandon> i need to fixup some mdt scripts on aurora
[07:06] <imbrandon> heya TheMuso
[07:06] <ajmitch> with this list I can go through & do some rc bug pulling
[07:07] <imbrandon> hrm, lemme pop in the shower and then i'll finish getting aurora ready to build
[07:07] <imbrandon> i told you i got the account trhing workign right ?
[07:08] <imbrandon> i have  a nice little pdmenu too setup
[07:08] <imbrandon> not quite finished yet
[07:08] <TheMuso> imbrandon: What are you writing it in?
[07:08] <imbrandon> the pdmenu ? bash
[07:08] <ajmitch> imbrandon: yeah
[07:09] <TheMuso> Using dialog/whiptail?
[07:09] <imbrandon> not that fancy
[07:09] <TheMuso> Probably a good idea anyway.
[07:09] <imbrandon> heh it only has login local ( x86 ) , login x86_64 ( ssh ) and login ppc ( ssh )
[07:09] <TheMuso> WOn't be as bandwidth intensive.
[07:09] <imbrandon> hehe
[07:12] <imbrandon> TheMuso, http://federation.imbrandon.com/aurora_menu.jpg
[07:12] <imbrandon> ajmitch, ^^
[07:13] <TheMuso> ...and thinks he really needs to see about moving himself into a GUI with GNOME accessibility tools.
[07:13] <imbrandon> hehe
[07:14] <imbrandon> thats the current menu to be used as the login shell
[07:15] <ajmitch> imbrandon: interesting, but why?
[07:15] <imbrandon> so you only have to ssh to one IP and i can NAT the other ( x86_64 and ppc ) buildd's
[07:15] <imbrandon> and still login from one place
[07:16] <ajmitch> why bother with a menu though?
[07:16] <imbrandon> KISS ;)
[07:16] <ajmitch> you're not dealing with normal users
[07:16] <imbrandon> true
[07:16] <ajmitch> LaserJock: :1:> wc -l current/sync
[07:16] <ajmitch> 687 current/sync
[07:16] <ajmitch> my script agrees mostly with you
[07:16] <LaserJock> good
[07:17] <ajmitch> I'm glad, since I know the script is wrong in some ways :)
[07:17] <TheMuso> imbrandon: You writing that to use arrows to select what you want all in bash?
[07:17] <imbrandon> yes TheMuso
[07:17] <ajmitch> this is just going off source package versions
[07:17] <LaserJock> I've found that mdt/my shell scripts don't always agree perfectly with MoM, etc.
[07:17] <TheMuso> imbrandon: DUde!!! Dialog can make that soooooooooooooo much easier.
[07:17] <imbrandon> actualy its pdmenu
[07:17] <imbrandon> TheMuso,
[07:17] <TheMuso> ah must check that one out
[07:17] <TheMuso> sorry
[07:18] <imbrandon> hehe yea that menu is a whole 20 lines of code total
[07:18] <imbrandon> if that
[07:18] <LaserJock> hmm, I thought he was doing it via machine code ;-)
[07:18] <LaserJock> cheater
[07:19] <imbrandon> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3308/
[07:19] <imbrandon> LaserJock, TheMuso ^^
[07:20] <TheMuso> Ok, dialog is easier than that.
[07:20] <TheMuso> IMO
[07:22] <TheMuso> And with a dialog--based menu, you could make the script check on the fly if a box is available. If it isn't, state that so in the menu, and if selected, make a message box pop up saying unavailable.
[07:22] <TheMuso> Whereas you have to create a pdmenurc file to do what you are doing now.
[07:22] <TheMuso> Not as dynamic IMO.
[07:23] <TheMuso> Heh. You could even make it so modular, that you just drop a script into place, which can extend the functionality. :)
[07:24] <TheMuso> Sorry, just thinking way ahead here.
[07:24] <imbrandon> hehe i'll have to look into it
[07:24] <imbrandon> yea , i'll probably use this for now since its "done" and then "upgrade"
[07:24] <bddebian> Gah 1:30am.. Gnight folks
[07:24] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:24] <imbrandon> gnight bddebian
[07:24] <LaserJock> cya bddebian
[07:24] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Sure.
[07:24] <TheMuso> imbrandon: If you want a hand, I'd be happy to help
[07:25] <imbrandon> TheMuso, sure
[07:25] <imbrandon> TheMuso, btw you should be able to login now to that box ( i dont have pbuilders complete nor that menu set on every ones login shell yet ) but the account sync is done
[07:25] <imbrandon> as long as you have your sshkey on LP
[07:25] <TheMuso> imbrandon: I'm not on ubuntu-dev... yet
[07:26] <imbrandon> ohhh thats right
[07:26] <imbrandon> hum
[07:26] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Wait three days and I just might be however. :)
[07:26] <somerville32> TheMuso: Whats your launchpad page?
[07:26] <TheMuso> somerville32: http://launchpad.net/people/themuso
[07:27] <imbrandon> TheMuso, ;)
[07:27] <imbrandon> TheMuso, i'll be there to cheer for you
[07:27] <LaserJock> TheMuso: what time is the TB meeting?
[07:27] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Thanks. Dholbach and Henrik are likely to also be there.
[07:27] <TheMuso> 20:00 UTC tuesday
[07:28] <LaserJock> hmm, might be tough (I have to teach at 21:00UTC I think, but if I can I'll drop in
[07:28] <imbrandon> LaserJock, you can email the TB ahead of time too to cheer ;P
[07:28] <somerville32> TheMuso: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~cody-somerville <-- Mine :)
[07:28] <crimsun> you can email the TB (I did as I won't be able to attend)
[07:29] <imbrandon> moins crimsun
[07:29] <crimsun> hi.
[07:31] <imbrandon> TheMuso, is the package just called dialog? e.g. i can man dialog ?
[07:31] <TheMuso> Yep
[07:32] <ajmitch> excellent
[07:32] <imbrandon> cool
[07:32] <imbrandon> ajmitch, haha
[07:32] <TheMuso> imbrandon: It can also do message boxes, yes/no boxes, progress bars, calendars, and simple forms.
[07:32] <TheMuso> And a few more things I think.
[07:32] <imbrandon> wow
[07:32] <TheMuso> somerville32: Dude. You have got around in the Ubuntu community!
[07:32] <imbrandon> i just wanted a simple login menu , but that might be nice for some other projects
[07:33] <somerville32> TheMuso: hehe
[07:33] <TheMuso> There is also zenity/xdialog/kdialog for GUI in GNOME/X/KDE.
[07:33] <imbrandon> yea i use kdialog and xdilog now and then
[07:33] <TheMuso> And I think the command-line arguments for those are somewhat similar.
[07:34] <TheMuso> Dialog can also do file boxes.
[07:34] <TheMuso> Kdialog probably can as well.
[07:34] <imbrandon> yea , i'll probably just stick with dialog as this is ment to be a login shell
[07:35] <LaserJock> TheMuso: I'll try to email if I can't make it, but you should make it fine ;-)
[07:35] <TheMuso> imbrandon: If ever I get a deacent amd64 box, I'll probably offer resources like you are doing
[07:35] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Thanks.
[07:35] <imbrandon> nice
[07:35] <TheMuso> I'd offer ppc if mine was faster.
[07:35] <imbrandon> yea once i get this a little more under control i'll probably offer to host hardware for people in the same rack
[07:36] <imbrandon> as i have lots of room/bandwidth
[07:36] <imbrandon> just not the time to offer it atm
[07:36] <TheMuso> Where are you hosting the h/w?
[07:36] <ajmitch> Looking up bugs for angrydd
[07:36] <ajmitch> (100, [('cn=331292,dc=current,dc=bugs,dc=debian,dc=org', {'debbugsPackage': ['abook'] , 'debbugsDate': ['1128287891'] , 'debbugsSubmitter': ['Daniel Nylander<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:36] <ajmitch> et>'] , 'debbugsTag': ['l10n', 'patch'] , 'objectClass': ['debbugsBug'] , 'debbugsTitle': ['abook: [INTL:sv]  Swedish debconf templates translation'] , 'debbugsSeverity': ['wishlis
[07:36] <ajmitch> t'] , 'debbugsID': ['331292'] , 'debbugsState': ['done'] , 'debbugsSourcePackage': ['abook'] , 'debbugsDone': ['Gerfried Fuchs<EMAIL_ADDRESS>})] )
[07:36] <ajmitch> heh
[07:36] <ajmitch> wonderful
[07:36] <imbrandon> at work ( i work for a co-lo / managed host )
[07:36] <TheMuso> imbrandon: oooo nice.
[07:36] <ajmitch> now I can get the set of closed bugs in debian for each of those 687 packages
[07:36] <TheMuso> What speed is the ppc?
[07:37] <ajmitch> a shame that the bts2ldap gateway doesn't expose the version info
[07:37] <imbrandon> 800mhz, 640mb ram, thats the fastest one i could get rackmountable
[07:37] <TheMuso> That will still be nice.
[07:38] <imbrandon> x86 is a p4 3ghz ( single core ) and the x86_64 is a dual 2.8 ghz pent-d
[07:38] <TheMuso> somerville32: Do you always create bug reports for merges?
[07:38] <TheMuso> Or is that a new MOTU policy thing I've missed?
[07:38] <TheMuso> Niiice.
[07:38] <TheMuso> Good ppc hardware is kinda hard to get hold of, and expensive.
[07:38] <LaserJock> TheMuso: for us to keep track of it's nice
[07:38] <imbrandon> yea , i found that out
[07:39] <LaserJock> TheMuso: if you need something to get a MOTU ack subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[07:39] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Right.
[07:39] <imbrandon> TheMuso, someone could be nice and ship an apple xserv, like the ones in the canonical DC ;)
[07:39] <imbrandon> hehe
[07:39] <TheMuso> LaserJock: I know that. I have been using that team heaps
[07:39] <TheMuso> I just wasn't sure about the creating a bug report for merges before they get done
[07:40] <imbrandon> LaserJock, hehe
[07:40] <TheMuso> I just check feisty changes, check for sync requests, and if nothing, I start working on it
[07:40] <TheMuso> And depending on whether the person who previously merged it has been around recently, I ask them if they are working on it.
[07:40] <TheMuso> Otherwise, I just do it.
[07:41] <imbrandon> btw for anyone that cares mirror.imbrandon.com/ubuntu is a full rsync now, not just an apt-mirror repo of some arches
[07:41] <TheMuso> wow
[07:41] <TheMuso> why you do that? :)
[07:41] <TheMuso> THere are plenty of mirrors in the states surely.
[07:41] <imbrandon> TheMuso, yea full mirror on the gigbit switch
[07:41] <imbrandon> for the buildd's
[07:41] <TheMuso> aaaaaaaaaaaaaah
[07:42] <TheMuso> If I were you, I'd probably only restrict the build machines to have access to that. :)
[07:42] <imbrandon> and actualy there are only 3 or 4 "official" usa mirrors
[07:42] <TheMuso> That is rather surprising.
[07:43] <imbrandon> i have a 100mb/s connection unmeetered to the net atm so not to worried about it
[07:43] <imbrandon> i barely push 2mb/s currently
[07:43] <TheMuso> ok
[07:43] <imbrandon> bursting to 10mb/s at times ( when the mirror syncs )
[07:43] <imbrandon> but thats about it
[07:44] <TheMuso> Nice of the hosting company to let you do this.
[07:44] <imbrandon> TheMuso, yea we get "employyee" rackspace to do as we wish with , so this is my choice hehe
[07:44] <TheMuso> oooooooooooooooooo
[07:44] <imbrandon> plus they pay me one day a week to work on *buntu stuff since we use ubuntu inhouse
[07:44] <TheMuso> So where did you get the hardware?
[07:45] <imbrandon> my pocket
[07:45] <TheMuso> ah ok
[07:45] <imbrandon> they only provide the bandwidth and rackspace
[07:45] <TheMuso> duuuuuuuuuude! We so owe you heaps!
[07:45] <imbrandon> witych is still very nice
[07:45] <imbrandon> nah
[07:45] <TheMuso> um.... yeah
[07:45] <Fujitsu> ER, yeah.
[07:45] <imbrandon> its all part of the floss stuff ;)
[07:45] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, so they're in a proper DC?
[07:46] <imbrandon> pluss people arround here have been nice to me the last 2 years heheh
[07:46] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, yes
[07:46] <LaserJock> :-)
[07:46] <LaserJock> *off
[07:46] <ajmitch> imbrandon is our friend ;)
[07:46] <TheMuso> hahahaha
[07:46] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, the same DC that hosts parts of MS , visa, sprint, walmart , etc etc etc so it shouldent go down hehee
[07:46] <Fujitsu> \o/ imbrandon
[07:47] <ajmitch> ok, this bug munger is coming along well
[07:47] <imbrandon> TheMuso, hahhahah nice
[07:47] <Fujitsu> The MS bit is unfortunate, but not too bad.
[07:47] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: hahaha yeah
[07:47] <ajmitch> once I do some page parsing, I'll have a list of packages we need to grab to get bug fixes from debian :)
[07:47] <imbrandon> microsoftfacts.com is the only part we host iirc
[07:47] <somerville32> imbrandon, I remember reading a comment on slashdot about how they were sure Walmart doesn't use Windows for their servers and what not
[07:47] <LaserJock> ajmitch: right on
[07:47] <imbrandon> or something like that
[07:47] <somerville32> imbrandon, I felt like posting and saying I knew otherwise from an insider but alas I was too lazy to finally register at slashdot
[07:48] <imbrandon> i dont pay attn to the MS stuff but it is kinda funny all their load balancers are BSD ;)
[07:48] <Fujitsu> Hahah.
[07:48] <imbrandon> somerville32, some is windows some is linux
[07:48] <somerville32> imbrandon, cool
[07:48] <imbrandon> somerville32, depends on the app its running
[07:48] <imbrandon> somerville32, we have lot of both
[07:49] <TheMuso> imbrandon: You can be sure that if I get MOTU, I will be taking advantage of using those boxen for building, particularly amd64
[07:49] <imbrandon> and alot of solaris too ( and a few as/400 aix )
[07:49] <somerville32> imbrandon, I thought you were going to let select non-motu's have access too
[07:49] <TheMuso> For test builds of course. :)
[07:50] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yeah, if only python-ldap didn't cause python to segfault all the time
[07:50] <imbrandon> somerville32, for security i am not going to for now
[07:50] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, sounds like fun.
[07:50] <somerville32> imbrandon, You promised me : (
[07:50] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: it's only when it's time to clean up, so no big issue
[07:50] <TheMuso> imbrandon: That makes sense.
[07:50] <imbrandon> somerville32, i'll work something out soon enough to help you out if i can but the "public" machines i need to keep a locked down
[07:51] <somerville32> imbrandon, ok, thanks
[07:51] <TheMuso> imbrandon: You going to give core-dev access?
[07:51] <imbrandon> sides it wont be long and you'll be a budding MOTU ;)
[07:51] <somerville32> hehe
[07:51] <TheMuso> imbrandon: How often will the team list get synced?
[07:51] <imbrandon> TheMuso, yea -dev and -core-dev that have ssh-keys on LP current sync every few hours
[07:51] <TheMuso> Nice.
[07:51] <imbrandon> but i can manualy run it anytime
[07:52] <TheMuso> So how will it work? When we choose the box of choice, where will we land?
[07:52] <TheMuso> And how do we bring our stuff in?
[07:52] <ajmitch> Looking up bugs for advi (Debian version 1.6.0-11)
[07:52] <ajmitch> ['331292']
[07:52] <ajmitch> heh
[07:52] <ajmitch> getting there..
[07:52] <imbrandon> TheMuso, once you choose a box you get a bash shell in your ~/
[07:52] <TheMuso> imbrandon: /?
[07:53] <imbrandon> and from there its just as normal "apt-get source blah blah blah" pbuilder-dist build blah
[07:53] <TheMuso> Why /
[07:53] <imbrandon> eg /home/themuso
[07:53] <imbrandon> ~/ not /
[07:53] <TheMuso> ah
[07:53] <TheMuso> Blame that on my screen reader. :)
[07:53] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:54] <TheMuso> What is our disk quota?
[07:54] <TheMuso> I guess everything gets cleaned once we log out?
[07:54] <imbrandon> atm there isnt a per user one, but i'll likely set it to like 1gig each
[07:54] <TheMuso> Right.
[07:54] <imbrandon> just so people dont store things perminately on the buldd
[07:54] <TheMuso> I guess you will be writing up some docs at some point.
[07:54] <imbrandon> yup
[07:55] <TheMuso> COol. I can't wait.
[07:55] <imbrandon> and there will also be a menu entry for "how to use this service"
[07:55] <TheMuso> yeah I saw that.
[07:55] <imbrandon> trying to make it a ( sorry, no offence anyone ) dummy proof
[07:55] <imbrandon> system
[07:56] <TheMuso> Understand.
[07:56] <imbrandon> and on the other side of that as automated as possible
[07:56] <imbrandon> so there hopefully wont be a bottleneck of "me" when its done
[07:56] <TheMuso> SO when we choose the box we want, is it just an ssh tunnle to that box?
[07:57] <imbrandon> that and a chosen few ( yes this si arbitrarly choosen by me , dont ask i'll come to you ) to help me admin it
[07:57] <imbrandon> TheMuso, exactly
[07:57] <imbrandon> so incase i'm not arround
[07:57] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Right.
[07:57] <imbrandon> yea , it just will ssh to say the ppc with your key
[07:57] <imbrandon> from the login server
[07:58] <TheMuso> Right.
[07:58] <imbrandon> the login server being the x86 atm and will likely stay that way
[07:58] <TheMuso> So I'm guessing these machines aren't accessible externally straight off.
[07:58] <TheMuso> THe ppc/amd64
[07:58] <imbrandon> wellt he x86 is , the others arent because i dont have unlimited external ip's
[07:58] <siretart> morning
[07:58] <imbrandon> heya siretart
[07:58] <TheMuso> yep fair enough
[07:58] <siretart> wow. xine 1.1.4 released, and ubuntu is still not in UVF! :)
[07:59] <imbrandon> we've been slacking siretart :)
[07:59] <imbrandon> shhhh
[07:59] <ajmitch> hey siretart, \sh
[08:00] <siretart> huhu imbrandon, ajmitch and \sh!
[08:00] <imbrandon> moins \sh
[08:01] <\sh> moins ajmitch
[08:01] <\sh> at least a umts connection in the train
[08:01] <\sh> siretart: hey, I didn't expect you so early in the morning ;)
[08:02] <imbrandon> TheMuso, if you wish ( totaly upto you ) i would be greatfull for an example menu like the one i did to make my learning curve shorter
[08:02] <imbrandon> hehe
[08:03] <TheMuso> imbrandon: GIve me a bit to work on it. It will involve a bit of bash, but it is certainly doable.
[08:03] <ajmitch> imbrandon: what else do you have to setup?
[08:03] <imbrandon> np, i'm in no real hurry , dosent even have to be today
[08:03] <TheMuso> And you'll see what I mean by being able to make things more dynamic.
[08:03] <siretart> \sh: I'm starting my job on thursday, need to get some training ;)
[08:03] <ajmitch> siretart: job at uni?
[08:04] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Sure no problem.
[08:04] <imbrandon> ajmitch, just the pbuilders to make it useable
[08:04] <siretart> ajmitch: jepp :) - but need to do other stuff as well today - short: bbl
[08:04] <\sh> siretart: lol :)
[08:04] <ajmitch> imbrandon: ah right, I guess I should get onto that soon
[08:04] <siretart> I'll try to get xine 1.1.4 uploaded this afternoon
[08:04] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:07] <imbrandon> http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/vpn/client/
[08:07] <imbrandon> \sh, ^^
[08:07] <imbrandon> solaris and linux clients
[08:07] <Fujitsu> Ew.
[08:07] <imbrandon> anyhow brb , i'ma pop in the shower , bbiab
[08:07] <Fujitsu> vpnc is better!
[08:08] <Fujitsu> Recompiling kernel modules manually for each upgrade isn't great, I did it for my father for a couple of years. Then I found vpnc.
[08:09] <\sh> imbrandon: hmm....k, I'll check them today or tomorrow....I hope I can access my certs from our usb tokens
[08:18] <\sh> ok going back to train mode...*sleep*
[08:18] <\sh> bbl
[08:49] <ajmitch> so do I
[08:49] <ajmitch> this thing is just too slow
[08:51] <imbrandon> zomg JONO !!!!!!!!
[08:51] <imbrandon> http://www.myspace.com/jonobacon
[08:51] <imbrandon> ouch jono has been assimilated
[08:54] <ajmitch> yeah
[08:54] <ajmitch> sad
[08:55] <StevenK> ajmitch: Slow? Like you have a slow machine.
[08:55] <ajmitch> sure I do
[08:57] <TheMuso> StevenK: Hey dude.
[08:57] <ajmitch> hah
[08:57] <ajmitch> Looking up bts for f-spot:393200
[08:57] <ajmitch> Bug found in f-spot, 0.1.11-3
[08:57] <ajmitch> Bug fixed in f-spot, 0.2.0-1
[08:58] <ajmitch> it is working
[08:58] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Cool.
[09:11] <somerville32> Hi dholbach :)
[09:12] <dholbach> good morning
[09:12] <dholbach> hey somerville32
[09:12] <somerville32> : )
[09:12] <somerville32> dholbach, Do you have time to answer a quick question?
[09:12] <ajmitch> ok, this script should do something useful now :)
[09:12] <dholbach> i can try :)
[09:12] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[09:12] <somerville32> 	mkdir -p $(CURDIR)/debian/gaphor-lib/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages
[09:12] <somerville32> 	mv $(CURDIR)/debian/gaphor/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/zope \
[09:12] <somerville32> 	   $(CURDIR)/debian/gaphor-lib/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages
[09:13] <dholbach> ajmitch: which script is that?
[09:13] <somerville32> What would be the best way to fix the above?
[09:13] <TheMuso> somerville32: Does the package comply with the new python policy?
[09:14] <dholbach> use python-central to comply with the new python policy, then you won't have static python2.4 paths (or similar paths)
[09:15] <somerville32> Ubuntu changes bring it in line with the new python policy
[09:15] <imbrandon> heya dholbach
[09:15] <dholbach> hey imbrandon
[09:15] <ajmitch> dholbach: a script for finding bugs that debian has fixed, that we don't have
[09:16] <somerville32> Oh, I know what I can do to fix that
[09:16] <ajmitch> dholbach: by pulling data from ldap & the BTS
[09:16] <imbrandon> ldap?
[09:16] <ajmitch> imbrandon: sure
[09:16] <dholbach> ajmitch: nice
[09:16] <ajmitch> it's less load on the bts
[09:16] <imbrandon> cool
[09:16] <ajmitch> dholbach: in the end I should have a nice set of packages & the bug fixes we want
[09:17] <imbrandon> i dident know it had an ldap interface
[09:17] <ajmitch> once it finishes running, it's pretty much complete now
[09:18] <imbrandon> mmm chili
[09:18] <imbrandon> +l
[09:19] <imbrandon> hum where does the shell ( assuming bash ) get the "Last Login:" info from ?
[09:20] <TheMuso> imbrandon: my guess is that gets displayed before bSh even gets run.
[09:20] <TheMuso> I could be wrong however.
[09:20] <imbrandon> hum true
[09:20] <imbrandon> probably part of motd or something
[09:21] <TheMuso> And it probably checks the last successful login in auth.log perhaps.
[09:25] <imbrandon> LaserJock, i guess i was wrong , about ~66 accounts atm
[09:25] <imbrandon> imbrandon@aurora:~$ ls -l /home/|wc -l
[09:25] <imbrandon> 67
[09:38] <ajmitch> I wonder if I could get direct access to bugs.d.o data & process it instead of hitting the bts
[09:39] <LaserJock> imbrandon: coolio, so when can we expect to start using it?
[09:39] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, so you don't have to search LDAP for everything?
[09:39] <imbrandon> sometime in the next 48 hours
[09:39] <LaserJock> ajmitch: well, you are a Debian/Ubuntu rockstar
[09:39] <LaserJock> :-)
[09:39] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: I can't search LDAP for everything
[09:39] <ajmitch> LaserJock: hah
[09:39] <ajmitch> hah
[09:39] <ajmitch> very funny
[09:40] <Fujitsu> So it isn't fully functional? Great.
[09:40] <ajmitch> of course not
[09:40] <Fujitsu> Oh great, the azureus version grows again: <IP_ADDRESS>repack1-0ubuntu0.6.10~proposed1
[09:42] <somerville32> Ok, after I merge gaphor, it is time for bed.
[09:43] <somerville32> It fixes a release RC bug :)
[10:00] <ajmitch> hm
[10:00] <somerville32> If anyone has a minute, could they look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fail2ban/+bug/82081 please? Thanks :)
[10:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82081 in fail2ban "fail2ban: merge new debian version (0.7.6-3)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[10:00] <ajmitch> 48GB RAM
[10:00] <somerville32> ajmitch, Nice :)
[10:00] <ajmitch> yeah, one of the debian boxes
[10:01] <LaserJock> my goodness
[10:01] <ajmitch> quad itanium 2
[10:02] <TheMuso> oooo nice
[10:04] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: DOn't we all.
[10:05] <Fujitsu> Or two...
[10:05] <ajmitch> you couldn't afford the power bill
[10:05] <TheMuso> Point.
[10:11] <TheMuso> Whats the idea of just downloading one patch file for a manual merge?
[10:14] <TheMuso> What confuses me is that the patch is the same version as the latest package version in feisty.
[10:17] <LaserJock> TheMuso: what package?
[10:18] <ademan> with dh_installdirs it says it uses debian/package.dirs    package == package name? (ie could be used for multiple packages?)
[10:18] <TheMuso> LaserJock: I have never done a manual merge before, so I am not sure what one has to do.
[10:18] <TheMuso> LaserJock: From looking around, I assume that one has to fetch upstream themselves or something and see what applies?
[10:18] <TheMuso> I'm not really sure.
[10:18] <LaserJock> ademan: <binarypackagename>.dirs if you have multiple binary packages. just plain dirs if it's only a single binary
[10:19] <ademan> LaserJock: thanks :-)
[10:19] <LaserJock> TheMuso: what package are you looking at?
[10:19] <TheMuso> LaserJock: djplay
[10:19] <TheMuso> I just don't know why packages are manual merges
[10:20] <\sh> remoins
[10:21] <ademan> also, one other thing, as long as a package only installs files and doesn't run some nuts script, is it guaranteed to be removable?  (ie so i can test my deb (to see if the program works) even though there remain those stupid shared objects in /usr/share ?)
[10:21] <LaserJock> TheMuso: well, I know for one (plotdrop I'm sorry to say) the .orig.tar.gz's don't match
[10:22] <TheMuso> LaserJock: So whats the idea of manual merges?
[10:22] <LaserJock> they couldn't be merged automatically
[10:22] <TheMuso> Right.
[10:22] <TheMuso> But the patch that is linked to has the same version as the package in feisty
[10:23] <LaserJock> TheMuso: right
[10:23] <somerville32> Gah!
[10:23] <TheMuso> SO I don't get it.
[10:23] <LaserJock> notice that all the manual merges are 0ubuntuX versions
[10:24] <somerville32> I hate it when the build takes like 30 minutes and then there is some small typo at the end that makes it fail :(
[10:24] <TheMuso> somerville32: lol
[10:24] <LaserJock> TheMuso: feisty has 0.5.0-0ubuntu1, Debian has 0.5.0-1
[10:24] <StevenK> Manual merges can be dealt with with a bit of manual hackery.
[10:25] <TheMuso> And what makes even less sense, is the source package doesn't exist in debian
[10:25] <TheMuso> well not main anyway
[10:25] <LaserJock> generally, what you can do is grab the debian .diff.gz and the Ubuntu .orig.tar.gz
[10:28] <TheMuso> Ok, looks like the mirror I was using for sid is waaaaaay out of date.
[10:36] <Adri2000> this SRU needs some testing: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/edgy/+source/obconf/+bug/62346 the fix is in edgy-proposed and is easy to test, thanks :)
[10:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62346 in obconf "[SRU]  Missing libobrender.so.1 -> unable to launch obconf" [Unknown,Fix released]
[01:46] <Q-FUNK> Bug 73387
[01:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73387 in cups-pdf "please backport cups-pdf 2.4.2-1 to Dapper" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/73387
[01:46] <Q-FUNK> exactly what am I missing there?
[02:35] <Riddell> anyone fancy fixing ethereal?
[02:35] <StevenK> wireshark? :-P
[02:36] <StevenK> Riddell: If you're happy to wait until I get up, I'll do it
[02:36] <Riddell> the package is empty
[02:36] <StevenK> ethereal should just depend on wireshark, surely?
[02:37] <StevenK> It does in Edgy
[02:38] <\sh> hmm...is LP working for you in konqui? especially the personal pages?
[02:39] <\sh> for me there is missing the left box with "your packages" etc.
[02:39] <\sh> mhm....
[02:39] <\sh> cache problem....
[02:43] <geser> has someone here a powerful pbuilder and could try to build latex-cjk-chinese-arphic?
[02:44] <geser> the builld killed it after 150 minutes of inactivity and 4h 40 min in total
[02:46] <\sh> i can do it
[02:47] <Liberax> hi... i need somebody with amd64 network manager and pptp to test a patch on launchpad.. anybody can helpme?
[03:49] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:49] <somerville32> bddebian, :)
[03:49] <bddebian> Hi somerville32
[03:50] <somerville32> bddebian, I gotta run but do you wanna review https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fail2ban/+bug/82081 ? :)
[03:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82081 in fail2ban "fail2ban: merge new debian version (0.7.6-3)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[03:50] <bddebian> somerville32: Maybe.    WTF is that? :)
[04:00] <zul> crimsun: sounded like a good idea at the time ;)
[04:01] <crimsun> I should write a spec for a graphical installer
[04:01] <crimsun> oh wait...
[04:02] <imbrandon> crimsun, what about a spec for a way to relay communications real time over the internet? err wait ....
[04:03] <bddebian> hah
[04:03] <coNP> What about spec. making coffee
[04:03] <zul> imbrandon: by the use of carrier pigeons?
[04:03] <imbrandon> zul, yup
[04:03] <imbrandon> and ponies by land
[04:03] <coNP> maybe we should port it to supoort sharks as well
[04:04] <imbrandon> whales ( more bandwidth )
[04:04] <coNP> sure, imbrandon
[04:05] <imbrandon> ugh, my day off and i have to goto a meeting today at work , err make that 2
[04:05] <imbrandon> guess its not a day off then
[04:27] <welshbyte> bah typical, i start packaging a program that we need for uni and find out i have to package two libraries as well so that it can be built
[04:28] <bddebian> welshbyte: Welcome to the club :-)
[04:30] <bddebian> siretart: ping
[04:30] <siretart> bddebian: You sent me a contentless ping.  This is a contentless pong.  Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I'll respond when I am around.
[04:30] <bddebian> @#%$@^%
[04:30] <welshbyte> haha, owned :)
[04:30] <bddebian> siretart: If you get around, ping me, I wanted to ask you about the Debian games team.
[04:31] <siretart> bddebian: sure, but I'm off in a few minutes
[04:31] <siretart> (not long, perhaps half an hour)
[04:31] <bddebian> siretart: I mainly just wanted to know if/how I could get involved?
[04:32] <siretart> bddebian: you create an alioth accound and ask one of the 3 team admins to add you to the alioth group. then you'll instantly get write access to the DGT svn repo on svn.debian.org
[04:32] <siretart> all 3 of them regularly irc on #debian-games/oftc
[04:33] <bddebian> Gah, I don't want write access to anything :-)
[04:33] <siretart> first steps I'd suggest: join the channel, and read the links in the topic
[04:33] <bddebian> stupid oftc
[04:33] <siretart> the svn is available ro for the public
[04:39] <bddebian> siretart: OK, thx
[04:43] <chx> hi. whom should I talk to regarding this https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/drupal ?
[04:44] <chx> my problem is that Drupal 4.5 is not supported by the Drupal team since 2006 May 15 and if you release Feisty with this in place it'll be a major headache for us.
[04:46] <coNP> chx: do you want drupal 5 in feisty?
[04:46] <chx> If it's possible, YES@!
[04:51] <bddebian> chx: Create a package and stick it on REVU :-)
[04:52] <coNP> bddebian, is it still possible to create an update package?
[04:52] <chx> mmmm I am just a humble Kubuntu user and a Drupal developer
[04:52] <coNP> I might try to make some
[04:52] <coNP> what is the deadline for it?
[04:52] <chx> coNP: thanks
[04:52] <muzzol> hi
[04:53] <muzzol> i have to add GPL header to several file of a project
[04:53] <muzzol> it is enough with .c files?
[04:54] <muzzol> or do i need to add it to .h and others?
[04:56] <muzzol> anyone?
[04:57] <bddebian> muzzol: afaiui it's not required to put it in every .c or .h file but many packages do it.
[04:58] <muzzol> thanks bddebian
[04:58] <welshbyte> the fsf might disagree ;)
[04:59] <bddebian> welshbyte: I'm talking about the FSF.  As I understand it, it is not REQUIRED.
[05:00] <welshbyte> ah ok
[05:01] <luisbg> muzzol, I believe it's both .c and .h
[05:02] <muzzol> bddebian, how can i determine wich files should have a gpl header?
[05:03] <bddebian> welshbyte: Well I'm probably wrong as always :-)
[05:46] <webben> if you dpatch-edit-patch an existing patch, shouldn't whatever changes you make to the source tree obliterate the existing patch?
[05:52] <givre> webben: it should keep the changes you've made in the current patch, until you change them of course
[05:56] <webben> givre, But should it obliterate what existed before?
[05:56] <webben> or is it supposed to merge changes in, or what?
[05:56] <webben> (I ask because so far it's not doing anything AFAICT)
[05:56] <givre> it don't obliterate them
[05:57] <webben> ah
[05:57] <webben> What if a patch adds a file or makes a change that you don't want anymore
[05:57] <webben> do you need to delete the patch before running dpatch-edit-patch?
[05:57] <givre> dpatch-edit-patch and remove the file
[05:58] <Zic_> hello, I have change my GPG key, so, I imagine that an admin must re-sync the keyring, no ?
[05:58] <Zic_> my name name in launchpad is "zic"
[06:01] <webben> givre, but the patch is currently broken so the file doesn't get created
[06:02] <webben> (i'm trying to update a package with a new upstream release)
[06:03] <givre> webben: so remove the current patch and make a new patch
[06:04] <givre> make sure that the source is clean before
[06:04] <webben> givre, how would I make sure the source is clean?
[06:04] <webben> is the only way to do that creating a new source dir and running uupdate again?
[06:04] <givre> fakeroot debian/rules clean
[06:05] <webben> ah super thanks :)
[06:05] <webben> hmm if I get "make: [clean]  Error 2 (ignored)"
[06:05] <webben> is that bad?
[06:08] <givre> that's fine
[06:10] <givre> probably because there is no distclean target. Not a problem.
[06:20] <webben> givre, cool thanks :)
[06:20] <givre> webben: np
[06:45] <superm1> bddebian, did you get around to checking out the bzr checkout?
[06:45] <superm1> (did it ever finish downloading :))
[06:47] <siretart> okay, xine-lib 1.1.4 for feisty looking good now :)
[06:54] <bddebian> superm1: No, I'm banging my head against .NET today at work :'-(
[07:01] <siretart> Subject: Accepted xine-lib 1.1.4-1ubuntu1 (source)
[07:01] <siretart> w00t :)
[07:05] <bddebian> w00t siretart
[07:06] <bddebian> gpocentek: New libticonv up if you get bored :-)
[07:18] <Spec> Hey...if I'm packaging a python script(game), that has images in an image folder, where exactly should I put the two .py files, and where do the images go? should they all go to /usr/games/gamename/*?
[07:28] <bddebian> Sounds reasonable but I'm no Python expert :)
[07:29] <Spec> oki doki :)
[07:52] <spec> so...are doctests generally included in the package? :)
[08:08] <superm1> ah fun stuff bddebian.  i think i figured out why the checkout is so unbareably long now too.  the first time things were checked in, the entire tarball was present.  since then we've opted to just use the upstream tarball and keep the debian/ directory in bzr
[08:08] <superm1> so if there is a good way to clean out hte first 2 revisions or so
[08:08] <superm1> then it can be made to be a much smaller checkout
[08:23] <ScottK> Just so you don't think I gave up...  I now have Feisty running in a spare hard drive and at least some of my problems with courier appear to have been chroot induced.  Still plugging away...
[08:24] <bddebian> Whew, we were worried. ;-)
[08:31] <ajmitch> morning
[08:31] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch
[08:32] <LaserJock> bah
[08:32] <LaserJock> I was just going to ask you how it went
[08:32] <ajmitch> it's easier for me to grab the raw bts db
[08:32] <imbrandon> hrm
[08:32] <ajmitch> oh it went well
[08:32] <ajmitch> but I fear the load it may put on the bts
[08:33] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[08:33] <ajmitch> so if I can process the data locally, I'm all for it
[08:33] <bddebian> and LaserJock
[08:33] <ajmitch> I should check with the lp guys as to what data they use
[08:33] <LaserJock> so did you get an initial list made?
[08:34] <ajmitch> nope
[08:34] <ajmitch> was taking too long
[08:34] <ajmitch> a few seconds per ldap query, a few seconds for grabbing the bug page for *each* closed bug, for nearly 700 packages
[08:34] <ajmitch> it all adds up
[08:34] <superm1> heya imbrandon, could you commit that change that you were going to commit before to bzr?
[08:35] <ajmitch> I know the general way to do it now :)
[08:36] <imbrandon> superm1, the cahnges i had were all taken upstream so its in there now
[08:36] <superm1> imbrandon, very good
[08:36] <superm1> imbrandon, so upload possible now? :)
[08:36] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I'll try & produce a proper list of stuff we need by tonight :)
[08:36] <LaserJock> ajmitch: excellent work, thanks
[08:36] <imbrandon> superm1, yup, i just dont have access to my gpg key atm
[08:36] <imbrandon> but yea
[08:37] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I was expecting it to take a little longer than it did, actually
[08:37] <LaserJock> oops
[08:39] <bddebian> heh
[08:39] <ajmitch> oh dear
[08:39] <LaserJock> for a second I think he was dholbach, my bad ;-)
[08:39] <LaserJock> *thought
[08:40] <dholbach> ;-)
[08:40] <ajmitch> haha
[08:41] <ajmitch> dholbach! what wonderful ideas do you have for making feisty rock? :)
[08:41] <superm1> imbrandon, well later on when you get to a comp with your gpg key and can upload, make sure you update to the current version.  since we last spoke, there was a newer upstream verison and tarball.  bzr is at revision 14, and the new upstream is 0.20-svn20070122
[08:41] <dholbach> bughelper! :-)
[08:41] <ajmitch> heh
[08:41] <ajmitch> well this script I'm writing will help a bit
[08:41] <LaserJock> dholbach: can bughelp fix bugs too then? ;-)
[08:41] <ajmitch> I haven't used bughelper much, I admit
[08:42] <bddebian> heh
[08:42] <dholbach> it can help a lot with it
[08:42] <ajmitch> how?
[08:42] <ScottK> If it can help with merging courier, I'm all for it.
[08:42] <dholbach> findings dups, helping find information, etc
[08:42] <ajmitch> give an impromptu talk on bughelper, please :)
[08:42] <dholbach> man, I gave it already :-)
[08:42] <ajmitch> firefox is acting stupid here
[08:42] <ajmitch> so I can't look over the wiki
[08:42] <dholbach> we will feed the people's brains into bughelper
[08:42] <ajmitch> haha
[08:43] <dholbach> and we'll be good at keeping it up to date
[08:43] <dholbach> it will find stuff for us and we can do our work faster
[08:43] <LaserJock> three cheers for bughelper!
[08:43] <coNP> and then you really become MOTUs :)
[08:43] <ajmitch> we need to find bugs that noone has reported :)
[08:48] <LaserJock> argg
[08:48] <somerville32> When is the herd 3 freeze?
[08:48] <LaserJock> somerville32: check the email
[08:48] <LaserJock> :-)
[08:58] <jdong> somerville32: sheesh hurd 0.3 isn't even out yet and you're already looking at whole numbers....
[08:59] <jdong> :)
[08:59] <LaserJock> man
[08:59] <LaserJock> the hurd jokes just don't quit
[08:59] <ajmitch> these hurd jokes are getting lamer by the day
[08:59] <jdong> ajmitch: so I've herd?
[09:00] <LaserJock> doh
[09:00] <imbrandon>  /kick jdong
[09:00] <jdong> lol
[09:00] <jdong> what?
[09:00] <jdong> there's a democratic banning process? :D
[09:00] <imbrandon> in this case, yes
[09:00] <LaserJock> I thought it was like "The tribe has spoken"
[09:01] <jdong> LOL
[09:01] <jdong> I thought that was how artwork was handled?
[09:01] <imbrandon> back in a few
[09:01] <LaserJock> oh man, such a waste of time
[09:01] <jdong> enjoy :)
[09:02] <ajmitch> bad imbrandon, get hacking on ubuntu
[09:02] <imbrandon> LaserJock, but a fun waste of time
[09:02] <imbrandon> no sense on hacking all the time if you cant use the computer once in a bit
[09:02] <imbrandon> hehe
[09:02] <jdong> ajmitch: doesn't that burn time equally as effectively?
[09:02] <imbrandon> so i waste a hour or two a day on WoW
[09:02] <imbrandon> and more on ubuntu ;)
 I don't have a problem.
[09:02] <jdong> :)
[09:02] <imbrandon> hahaha
[09:03] <imbrandon> considering i'm still on the 10 day free trial i'd say not
[09:03] <jdong> of course, as someone sitting here with a reiser4 root, I'm not to talk about anything sanity-related.
[09:03] <LaserJock> heh
[09:03] <imbrandon> i use reiser for every thing, have for years and never had a problem
[09:04] <LaserJock> I think a reiser4 / is the sanest thing I've seen you do
[09:04] <imbrandon> leaste not with the FS
[09:04] <jdong> imbrandon: likewise; the only beefs I've had were (1) fsck is not a recovery tool. (2) hans seems to love to ditch existing ideas for shiny new ones :)
[09:04] <jdong> reiser4 is rockin fast for stuff that I do
[09:05] <jdong> and frankly its reliability is way beyond XFS from my experience.
[09:05] <imbrandon> han != only reiser ( or even a current ) coder , and fsck was never a recovery tool on any FS ;)
[09:05] <jdong> imbrandon: fsck's supposed to help make filesystems readable again, isn't it ;-)
[09:05] <LaserJock> is hans still around?
[09:05] <jdong> not, say, unlink everything and say job finished?
[09:06] <jdong> LaserJock: if the inode don't fit you must acquit!
[09:06] <imbrandon> LaserJock, in jail
[09:06] <LaserJock> still?
[09:06] <imbrandon> afaik
[09:06] <jdong> LaserJock: namesys is getting sold off to pay for his legal
[09:06] <imbrandon> murder they dont let you out real quik
[09:06] <LaserJock> !info gpg > _MMA_
[09:06] <ubotu> Package gpg does not exist in any distro I know
[09:06] <jdong> and yeah, he's still in deep red goo and human bits :)
[09:06] <LaserJock> !gpg > _MMA_
[09:06] <_MMA_> ahh...
[09:07] <LaserJock> what a weird thing
[09:07] <imbrandon> jdong, you must have realy borked something othwer than that i have used fsck on reiser many times when needed
[09:07] <somerville32> ...
[09:07] <somerville32> Murder...
[09:07] <imbrandon> somerville32, yes he killed his wife/kid
[09:07] <jdong> imbrandon: heh well it was a hardware-induced corruption....
[09:08] <jdong> kid?
[09:08] <somerville32> imbrandon, link to news article?
[09:08] <jdong> I thought he only had a wife?
[09:08] <imbrandon> jdong, then you cant blam fsck, any FS would have bombed
[09:08] <jdong> somerville32: wikipedia his name.
[09:08] <azeem> he has a kid, which is alive
[09:08] <azeem> eh, who
[09:08] <somerville32> jdong: But whats his full name?
[09:08] <imbrandon> han reiser
[09:08] <azeem> somerville32: Hans Reiser
[09:08] <imbrandon> hans*
[09:08] <jdong> imbrandon: I've had luck with e2fsck/xfs_repair in the situation.
[09:08] <jdong> perhaps I'm lucky
[09:08] <imbrandon> jdong, not a hardware failure
[09:09] <jdong> a hardware failure that zapped a few MB's of the drive....
[09:09] <jdong> yeah, certainly ext3 can make most of the data visible again
[09:09] <imbrandon> aparently thats not all it did obviously
[09:09] <jdong> apart from what was in the black hole
[09:09] <jdong> and a bit more
[09:09] <jdong> and if you happened to have the 1st MB of a reiserfs image sitting on the disk
[09:09] <jdong> heaven help you
[09:10] <jdong> coming to think of it, that was probably my problem.
[09:10] <jdong> there used to be another reiserfs fs, overwritten/formatted, +40GB into the disk.
[09:10] <jdong> grr.
[09:10] <imbrandon> i just hate when someone has one bad experince with something then from then on its "voodoo" when actualy it was probably someting else totaly as in this case
[09:11] <imbrandon> anyhow WoW, bbiab
[09:11] <jdong> have fun.
[09:15] <somerville32> Has anyone started packaging the new exaile release?
[09:15] <somerville32> I want to do it if no one has
[09:16] <jdong> somerville32: ya _sure_ ya don't want to bring ffmpeg up to date? :D
[09:16] <somerville32> haha
[09:16] <somerville32> I'm sure
[09:17] <Adri2000> somerville32: it's in debian and it's just a trivial merge to do
[09:18] <somerville32> Not according to MoM
[09:18] <somerville32> It says Debian has 0.2.7
[09:19] <somerville32> Newest release is 0.2.8
[09:19] <Adri2000> debian has 0.2.8
[09:19] <somerville32> Oh wait
[09:19] <somerville32> Nvm
[09:19] <somerville32> I read it wrong
[09:19] <Adri2000> :)
[09:19] <somerville32> Damn MoM!
[09:19] <somerville32> :)
[09:19] <ajmitch>    exaile | 0.2.8+debian-1 | http://apt-proxy sid/main Sources
[09:19] <ajmitch> quite right
[09:19] <somerville32> Why the +debian-1?
[09:20] <Adri2000> because the debian maintainer removed the debian/ directory provided by upstream I guess
[09:21] <tsmithe> can i bug someone/y'all 'bout revu'age?
[09:25] <somerville32> Would it be ok if I took the liberty of disabling a Debian patch? haha
[09:26] <LaserJock> that's generally not nice, but it is really needed sure
[09:26] <somerville32> Well, it isn't needed
[09:26] <somerville32> but they disable the notification area icon by default
[09:27] <LaserJock> why?
[09:27] <somerville32> They say it is to comply with freedesktop specifications
[09:37] <imbrandon> woot
[09:37] <somerville32> Where do the weird .po changes come from?
[09:37] <imbrandon> looks like i get to goto portland this summer
[09:37] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:38] <TheMuso> Hey MOTUs.
[09:38] <somerville32> imbrandon, Is that in Maine?
[09:38] <TheMuso> And MOTU hopefuls.
[09:38] <ajmitch> imbrandon: well lucky you
[09:38] <imbrandon> somerville32, no
[09:38] <imbrandon> somerville32, OR
[09:38] <imbrandon> for Ubuntu Live
[09:38] <ajmitch> imbrandon: the rest of us sit in our darkened rooms with bread & water, and an internet connection
[09:38] <imbrandon> hehe
[09:39] <TheMuso> heh
[09:39] <LaserJock> imbrandon: got a linky?
[09:39] <ajmitch> while motu superstars like imbrandon get to fly all over the world
[09:39] <ajmitch> LaserJock: see sabdfl's planet post
[09:39] <imbrandon> i just asked my boss about it , not only is he giving me the time off he is paying for the plane
[09:39] <ajmitch> imbrandon: I hates you
[09:39] <imbrandon> LaserJock, www.markshuttleworth.com
[09:39] <ajmitch> or www.ubuntulive.com
[09:39] <imbrandon> ajmitch, heh well its not that far from here
[09:40] <imbrandon> if it wasent in the USA i probably wouldent go
[09:40] <imbrandon> LaserJock, its close to you also
[09:40] <imbrandon> you should come up
[09:41] <imbrandon> i am writing a proposal aobut how we use ubuntu at GSI
[09:41] <imbrandon> to see if they will let me talk
[09:41] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:41] <TheMuso> ~/c
[09:41] <TheMuso> imbrandon: cool
[09:41] <LaserJock> yeah, and July is probably a good time of the year for me
[09:42] <LaserJock> hmmmmmm
[09:42] <imbrandon> LaserJock, hehe
[09:42] <imbrandon> yea no school
[09:44] <zul> ooh...roadtrip
[09:44] <imbrandon> right on
[09:44] <zul> i think ill still be salded with offspring though
[09:45] <imbrandon> 3days of ubuntu in the day and bars takin incriminating photos of jono at night
[09:45] <imbrandon> +oscon at te same time
[09:46] <ajmitch> imbrandon: you use ubuntu much there? :)
[09:46] <ajmitch> incriminating photos of jono? that would never happen..
[09:46] <imbrandon> ajmitch, yea on about 60 to 80 boxes now and more every day
[09:47] <ajmitch> not bad
[09:47] <imbrandon> plus there are plans to migrate all the old centos4 boxen to ubuntu
[09:48] <imbrandon> and even make a few workstations ubuntu
[09:48] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Howd you convince them to use Ubuntu over Centos?
[09:48] <imbrandon> when we make the vista transition next month
[09:48] <imbrandon> TheMuso, easy, easier to maintain, updated, plus i work there
[09:48] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:48] <TheMuso> fair enough
[09:48] <TheMuso> And hey were easily convinced?
[09:49] <imbrandon> they were using it already for all their fw and lb anyhow
[09:49] <imbrandon> firewalls and loadbalencers
[09:49] <imbrandon> cept the micrsoft loadbalencers are BSD
[09:49] <imbrandon> but thats a whole nother ballgame
[09:50] <somerville32> I'm merging exaile and there are changes to the .po files in the diff between latest Ubuntu version and latest Debian version.
[09:51] <somerville32> However, none of the other diffs mention this delta.
[09:51] <somerville32> (the diffs on MoM)
[09:51] <TheMuso> imbrandon: BTW re dialog, if you have the dialog package installed, there are menu examples in /usr/share/doc/dialog/examples
[09:52] <imbrandon> ahhh right on
[09:52] <imbrandon> thanks
[09:52] <TheMuso> That shows how its done better than what I could think of.
[09:52] <imbrandon> yup yup
[09:52] <imbrandon> i'll look at it tonight
[09:53] <imbrandon> hum i wonder how many MS people will come since its near "home"
[09:53] <imbrandon> re: Ubuntu Live 07
[10:05] <somerville32> Is it ok to ignore .po deltas in the ubuntu changes that seem to be trivial when doing a merge?
[10:08] <imbrandon> personaly i would prefer the ubuntu .po as we use rosetta
[10:08] <imbrandon> but what ever one is more complete
[10:09] <LaserJock> imbrandon: but we don't use rosetta for Universe packages yet
[10:09] <imbrandon> true, thus the more complete thing
[10:09] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:10] <somerville32> Right - I dunno how the changes magically appeared, lol
[10:11] <somerville32> It is trivial stuff like making sure the line doesn't have more then 80 characters and putting the marker things on one line instead of on their own line
[10:11] <somerville32> No actual changes to translations
[10:11] <Adri2000> don't keep these cja,ges
[10:12] <Adri2000> err, changes
[10:12] <somerville32> k
[10:14] <Adri2000> I don't have the ubuntu patch of gnucash (which I merged yesterday) anymore, but it was something like thousands of lines because of these .po changes... :-/
[10:15] <ScottK> Is having a lintian over-ride for newer-standards-version a bad thing?
[10:15] <somerville32> ScottK: Is it needed? : P
[10:16] <ScottK> The current feisty sendmail package has that.
[10:17] <ScottK> Seems to me like cheating.
[10:20] <TheMuso> somerville32: Well go eat something. :)
[10:21] <TheMuso> heh
[10:22] <imbrandon> kido's these days
[10:22] <nedko> hi
[10:22] <imbrandon> man i realy realy despise the terminal on osx
[10:22] <imbrandon> hello nedko
[10:22] <TheMuso> nedko: Whats the name of the  package?
[10:22] <nedko> jack_mixer will be good
[10:22] <nedko> http://home.gna.org/jackmixer/
[10:23] <TheMuso> Got an URL for the source?
[10:23] <TheMuso> ah thanks
[10:23] <nedko> yup
[10:23] <TheMuso> Doesn't look like its in feisty
[10:24] <nedko> it showd be really simple to compile
[10:24] <TheMuso> nedko: Are you one of the upstream developers?
[10:24] <nedko> yup
[10:24] <nedko> i'm the only one currently
[10:24] <TheMuso> Right.
[10:24] <nedko> there are ubunto notes in the readme file
[10:25] <nedko> it needs gconf path fixed for ubuntu
[10:25] <TheMuso> Have you considered making your versions something like 1.0, or 0.1,  0.2 etc?
[10:25] <TheMuso> instead of just 1 and 2?
[10:25] <nedko> yup, but i prefer 1, 2
[10:25] <TheMuso> I ask because f it gets changed later, it could get messy if we have to change the version of the Ubuntu package.
[10:25] <nedko> is major.minor an ubunro requirement?
[10:26] <TheMuso> Not as far as I know of.
[10:26] <nedko> next version will be 3
[10:26] <TheMuso> Could other MOTUs care to comment?
[10:27] <imbrandon> upstreams do as they wish but its advised to do X.X not required though , just as long as its not X-X
[10:27] <imbrandon> IMHO
[10:27] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Yeah.
[10:27] <TheMuso> nedko: Where did you say there was notes about Ubuntu?
[10:27] <nedko> hmm
[10:27] <TheMuso> as I don't see anything in the readme file
[10:27] <nedko> maybe in the install not in readme
[10:27] <nedko> lemmi check
[10:27] <TheMuso> found them
[10:27] <nedko> yup
[10:27] <nedko> in INSTALL
[10:27] <nedko> sorry
[10:28] <TheMuso> np
[10:30] <nedko> TheMuso: are you trying to build an ubuntu package for jack_mixer?
[10:30] <TheMuso> nedko: I'm having a look at it currently, but will eventually yes.
[10:31] <nedko> cool :)
[10:31] <TheMuso> BTW that URL you have given for the fpconst python module, did you write that module yourself, or is it available elsewhere?
[10:31] <nedko> no, it is writen by someone else
[10:31] <nedko> but it is hard to find
[10:31] <nedko> or at least it was last time i used google
[10:32] <TheMuso> Because it looks like that will have to be packaged before I can do jack_mixer.
[10:32] <TheMuso> As I can't seem to find it in the feisty archives.
[10:33] <nedko> are you sure there is no ubuntu package?
[10:34] <gnomefreak> !info jack_mixer feisty
[10:34] <ubotu> Package jack_mixer does not exist in feisty
[10:34] <gnomefreak> maybe differnt name?
[10:34] <TheMuso> nedko: For fpconst?
[10:34] <TheMuso> Pretty sure.
[10:34] <nedko> fpconst
[10:34] <nedko> http://twistedmatrix.com/pipermail/twisted-web/2006-June/002671.html
[10:35] <nedko> guys says that it is not problem for his ubuntu...
[10:35] <TheMuso> nedko: What do you mean not a problem?
[10:35] <nedko> fpconst may be included in python 2.5
[10:36] <nedko> if i understand his mail correctly he says it needs windows version and says it cannot find it
[10:36] <nedko> generally says that it will be easy with ubuntu
[10:39] <TheMuso> nedko: I have to go and do real life stuff, but will look more into this when I get back in a couple of hours.
[10:39] <nedko> almost all google hits refer to soappy ubuntu package
[10:39] <nedko> TheMuso: okie
[10:40] <nedko> TheMuso: thank you for interest
[10:40] <TheMuso> yup I found it in there
[10:40] <TheMuso> hmmm
[10:40] <TheMuso> This presents an interesting dilemma.
[10:40] <TheMuso> anyway, will look more into it when I get back.
[10:41] <TheMuso> nedko: No problem.
[10:55] <somerville32> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/exaile/+bug/82182 - Please? :)
[10:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82182 in exaile "exaile: Merge new debian version" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[11:54] <bddebian> Later gang
[12:12] <rmjb> Hey guys
[12:13] <TheMuso> Hey rmjb.