[06:46] <bootlfdhfrsa> mornin' All .. Sun just came up ... lovely and Cold out there !  .. better put heating on this morning ... Make a note to turn it off before work though !
[07:16] <christel> morning
[07:45] <czajkowski> bleugh
[07:47] <Myrtti> yeah, something like that
[07:50] <theopensourcerer> *!MORNING!*
[07:50] <popey> *\o/*
[07:50] <theopensourcerer> Moar coffee.
[07:53] <theopensourcerer> This guy is NUTS!!! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19860249
[07:54] <popey> http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/blackberry-playbook-tablet-pc-32gb-10647931-pdt.html
[07:54] <popey> cheapo
[07:54] <theopensourcerer> Blimey - that is cheap.
[07:56] <popey> 16GB Nexus 7 is 190
[08:07] <diplo> Morning
[08:08] <diplo> Blimey that is cheap, did i read somewhere that they were going to get Android apps running on it as well ?
[08:11] <gord> i could get one of them and it could sit in the closet next to my joggler
[08:12] <diplo> hah
[08:13]  * AlanBell wants a tablet that is known to run Ubuntu
[08:13] <popey> :)
[08:15] <gord> i want a tablet running the zx spectrum os, will a full keyboard and internal tape-deck
[08:15] <gord> it would be awesome
[08:16] <daubers> gord: Get some SD cards made up to look like tiny tapes?
[08:16] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :-D
[08:26] <gord> daubers, how is that anywhere near as cool :(
[08:28] <SuperMatt> all righty, if I want to talk quickly dev with people, which channel should I inhabit?
[08:31] <diplo> SuperMatt: quickly ide ?
[08:31] <diplo> thingy
[08:31] <diplo> #quickly I think works, was on there a while ago myself
[08:32] <SuperMatt> cool
[08:32] <SuperMatt> unless anyone here know's the answer
[08:32] <diplo> I'm a n00b myself at it, but might as well ask
[08:32] <SuperMatt> I'm following jono's video tutorial, which is great, but I've just got to about 09:50 where he sets the label for his refresh button and I just can't set the label :(
[08:33] <diplo> Got the link to the vid ?
[08:33] <SuperMatt> http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/
[08:33] <SuperMatt> mine's just greyed out
[08:33] <SuperMatt> I am doing this in quantal, if it makes a difference
[08:34] <diplo> So add button is greyed out ?
[08:34] <SuperMatt> no, I can add it, but I can't set the label
[08:35] <SuperMatt> quite a lot of options are greyed out
[08:35] <diplo> Just installing on my box now and see if it is, on;y have it installed at home
[08:35] <SuperMatt> thanks
[08:35] <diplo> 2 secs ( Im on precise, so at least we can see if it's an issue )
[08:37] <SuperMatt> legendary
[08:43] <diplo> Works fine for me, just set label test
[08:47] <SuperMatt> must be a quantal thing :/
[08:48] <diplo> I may have to have a play with quickly again now
[08:48] <SuperMatt> hah
[08:48] <diplo> I've got Quantal at home, will try it tonight
[08:48] <SuperMatt> thanks, that'd be awesome if you could
[08:53] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:55] <SuperMatt> morning
[08:56] <brobostigon> morning SuperMatt
[08:59] <Myrtti> I need more tea :-|
[09:00] <SuperMatt> well, I've had to edit that UI file by hand
[09:02] <SuperMatt> oh, well that doesn't help because the next step is changing the icon, which doesn't work either
[09:02] <SuperMatt> maybe I should install a quantal vm
[09:02] <SuperMatt> *precise
[09:04] <diplo> I found you had to wait ages for any quickly peeps, lunch time was best i think as the US were waking up
[09:04] <diplo> I guess I could run up a vm here at work and test
[09:11] <SuperMatt> oh that would be kind :)
[09:11] <popey> the main quickly person is didrocks, and he's based in .fr
[09:12] <daubers> SuperMatt: does that video cover Gtk 3 or is it based on Gtk 2?
[09:12] <SuperMatt> ooh, I don't know
[09:13] <SuperMatt> it *looks* like the tutorial was designed for precise
[09:13] <daubers> It is Gtk 3 :)
[09:13] <SuperMatt> so that'd be gtk 3, surely?
[09:13] <daubers> it's using gi.repository which is normally a good sign it's using Gtk3
[09:14] <daubers> (from my very limited experience anyway)
[09:20] <diplo> Quantal vm installing now
[09:23] <SuperMatt> thanks diplo
[09:26] <diplo> Anyone here use SME Server ?
[09:31] <SuperMatt> not I
[09:32] <diplo> It sucks soooooooooooooooo badly :)
[09:32] <diplo> 3/4 installed now
[09:33] <SuperMatt> awesome
[09:33] <SuperMatt> by precise is almost ready
[09:35] <SuperMatt> I have decided that precise is quantal's ugly sister
[09:41] <diplo> I've got to say it is much more finished and faster etc
[09:42] <gord> i wish life was a tv show, so we could quick cut to six months later where you guys are saying the same thing about 13.04 and how bad 12.10 is ;)
[09:45] <diplo> Well tbh gord 12.04 really was a huge improvement over 11.04, but 12.10 should be what the LTS release was.
[09:45] <diplo> It was sooooooooo slow
[09:54] <chambs> Anyone have any idea of the location of the script which modifies /etc/motd when you ssh onto ubuntu server?
[09:55] <diplo> ali1234: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-change-message-of-the-day-motd-in-ubuntu-server.html
[09:55] <AlanBell> !info update-motd
[09:55] <chambs> (Think that was for me not ali but thanks!)
[09:57] <diplo> lol it was, sorry chambs / ali1234  :)
[09:57] <diplo> And so was AlanBell response chambs ( same thing )
[09:57] <chambs> Yep I'll just tinker with things in /etc/update-motd.d
[09:57] <chambs> Thanks all
[10:01] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:01] <diplo> ello davmor2
[10:02] <chambs> Much better. Now I don't get a link to ubuntu landscape every time I log in ;P
[10:03] <davmor2> morning diplo
[10:04] <popey> chambs, i do "touch .hushlogin"
[10:04] <popey> then it is nice and peaceful on sshing in
[10:05] <chambs> popey, so it is!
[10:05] <chambs> Thanks
[10:09] <popey> bug 1064285 - AlanBell or davmor2 can you confirm that?
[10:10] <AlanBell> popey: nope, works for me
[10:11] <popey> it works for me too, but i have little triangles
[10:11] <AlanBell> I don't
[10:11] <popey> only on mouse over
[10:11] <AlanBell> nothing remarkable happens on mouseover
[10:11] <AlanBell> I am unable to reproduce your screenshot
[10:11] <popey> hmm
[10:12]  * popey restarts
[10:20] <davmor2> popey: I don't here either let me try a reboot and see if I get it then
[10:21] <popey> bah, reboot and it's gone away
[10:21]  * popey marks invalid
[10:31] <diplo> SuperMatt: I can confirm on quantal it's disabled for me as well
[10:34] <diplo> SuperMatt: If you click on Action related action and use action appearance it enables it
[10:36] <diplo> AlanBell: Expensive PJ's!
[10:37] <AlanBell> diplo: yeah, they are
[10:37] <SuperMatt> diplo: run me through that?
[10:38] <SuperMatt> diplo: go it! Thanks!
[10:38] <diplo> So on the action part of the tool bar editor
[10:38] <SuperMatt> *got
[10:38] <diplo> :)
[10:39] <SuperMatt> I HAS A BUTTON
[10:39] <diplo> Not played with it much as the vm is quite slow
[10:39] <diplo> yay!
[10:39] <SuperMatt> thanks muncly dude :)
[10:39] <diplo> OK, my ask for help now :)
[10:39] <SuperMatt> uh-oh!
[10:39] <diplo> I asked this friday but my foo is failing me today
[10:39] <diplo> I have 2 dirs with 300+ files int hem
[10:39] <diplo> in them*
[10:40] <diplo> they all start with sp10.000.randomnumber
[10:40] <diplo> I want to compare the files to tell me which are different
[10:40] <diplo> Should be the same output but i haver 304 in one dir and 307 in the other
[10:40] <diplo> I think gord said use md5, I've tried but it says all files are different
[10:41] <bigcalm> You can diff 2 directories
[10:41] <diplo> yeah, but because the filenames are different between 2 dirs that's not working
[10:41] <bigcalm> Oh
[10:41] <diplo> Well I believe that is the issue
[10:41] <bigcalm> Might have to script it
[10:42] <shauno> what's the content of these files like?  any unique string you could pull out of each one?  (an accountid, name, etc)
[10:42] <diplo> it's statements in plain text
[10:42] <diplo> so yeah account numbers / addresses etc
[10:43] <diplo> I can grab the files and bring locally if there is a gui app that's good as well
[10:43] <SuperMatt> hmmm
[10:43] <SuperMatt> do you want to just compare the contents?
[10:44] <diplo> I just want to find which 3 files are different without going through 600+ files :)
[10:44] <shauno> if they're not similar enough to match md5's, I'd try to awk an account number out of each one, pipe through sort so you have almost-identical lists, and then diff those two lists
[10:44] <SuperMatt> cos you could do cat dir1/* > file1; cat dir2/* > file2; vimdiff file1 file2
[10:44] <diplo> I've tried md5suming the files and then diffing that but that's not working
[10:45] <davmor2> diplo: you can try beyond compare on the 2 files
[10:45] <SuperMatt> what do the files contain?
[10:46] <diplo> basic text displaying statement details, so account/address/and inv numbers etc
[10:46] <SuperMatt> then my method should work
[10:46] <diplo> davmor2: will look, will try SuperMatt's first
[10:46] <diplo> ta
[10:46] <SuperMatt> it won't tell you which files are different, but it'll tell you what differences there are between them
[10:47] <Laney> ah
[10:47] <Laney> fitted a non-shitty 2.5"-3.5" adapter for the SSD
[10:47] <Laney> no longer is it hangin' loose inside my case
[10:48] <davmor2> diplo: there is meld diff viewer too iirc
[10:48]  * popey hangs loose
[10:49] <shauno> only thing I'd watch for with cat dir1/* is that most shells return the glob as sorted, so the random numbers will jumble the order.  you might want to loop through $(ls -U) instead so they're cat'd in the order they were created  (which I assume will be closer to natural, assuming they were created with a mostly-similar method)
[10:50]  * theopensourcerer loves meld. It is full of awsomeness
[10:51] <diplo> shauno: Sounds like I may have to as it's saying all different
[10:51] <diplo> :/
[10:57] <Laney> :(
[10:57] <Laney> why do lastpass link to some hateful script instead of the chrome web store
[11:13] <AlanBell> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2006/detail/ quite a few people coming to the release party now
[11:14] <gord> .. 2006?
[11:16] <shauno> it's just incremental, not a date :p
[11:17] <gord> oh okay :P
[11:22] <Laney> silly london
[11:26] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod hello
[11:27] <davmor2> christel: hello
[11:28] <christel> hihi davmor2
[11:29] <czajkowski> ello
[11:32] <davmor2> AlanBell: Hey dude wasn't the city bar used for the release party before?
[11:37] <Dave2> All of the Cs.
[11:58] <AlanBell> davmor2 err, maybe, why?
[11:59] <davmor2> I had a memory of it being there before and everyone clearing off else where cause it was cheaper :D  but I could be wrong
[11:59] <davmor2> AlanBell: ^
[12:00] <AlanBell> well this isn't there
[12:01] <AlanBell> this is at the George
[12:02] <davmor2> AlanBell: ah maybe I got the wrong release party page from a link
[12:02] <AlanBell> there was one in a dark and small wine bar in westminster
[12:42] <mungojerry> hmm alt-tab in gnome shell seems "broken" in that it doesn't switch back to the previous app
[13:17] <czajkowski> aquarius: all recovered :)
[13:18] <aquarius> just about. :)
[13:20] <livingdaylight> to all pangolin lovers http://tinyurl.com/8fdptwr
[13:27] <dwatkins> livingdaylight: that's a lovely pangolin (full URL is https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151058216545658&set=a.10150523921480658.372668.270212045657&type=1&theater )
[15:18] <Sintex> hey?
[15:19] <dwatkins> hey?
[15:34] <mattt> OHAAAAAAI
[15:50] <davmor2> mattt: is obviously by the landing site of a large pod that has come from mars
[15:51] <davmor2> oh no that oooooooooooooooooolllaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[15:54] <DJones> Heh, had to laugh at this http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/308574_324291280918787_1961835811_n.jpg
[18:02] <Azelphur> anyone know what the deal is with hdmi 1.3 / 1.5 cables?
[18:02] <Azelphur> sorry, 1.3 / 1.4
[18:07] <diplo> In what way ?
[18:07] <Azelphur> mostly in a "will a 1.4 cable work with my laptop if it's 1.3"
[18:07] <diplo> Yep afaik
[18:08] <Azelphur> fun
[18:08] <Azelphur> found a 1.5m 1.4 cable for £5 with free delivery, sounds like that'll do me nicely
[18:08] <diplo> I'll get proof first :) but I'm sure they are
[18:10] <diplo> OK, no reputable sources, but everything I've read agrees with me :)
[18:10] <Azelphur> same
[18:11] <diplo> I'm 90% sure
[18:28] <AlanBell> Bug #1061229 is critical \o/
[18:33] <directhex> you cannot call a cable a 1.3 cable or 1.4 cable
[18:33] <directhex> it's a requirement of hdmi logo certification
[18:34] <directhex> short version: yeah, the cables have never changed, really
[18:34] <directhex> you've got four types of cable, you only need to care about one of those
[18:35] <diplo> Pretty much how I understood it, just added higher resolution, proper hd 3d support and some other stuff that I can't do off the top of my head
[18:35] <directhex> "standard", "standard with ethernet", "high speed", and "high speed with ethernet"
[18:35] <directhex> every single feature you need is covered by "high speed"
[18:35] <MartijnVdS> directhex: then there's the "mini" connector..
[18:36] <directhex> and i don't think "standard" have been sold for yonks
[18:36] <directhex> MartijnVdS: yeah, talking about the cabling itself
[18:37] <directhex> if it says it can do 1080p, then it's high speed. if it's high speed, it can do everything else too - 4k, 3d, etc
[18:38] <MartijnVdS> I have an "HDMI splitter box" that can only do "low refresh rate" 1080p
[18:38] <MartijnVdS> 25-30fps
[18:38] <MartijnVdS> Hz
[18:39] <MartijnVdS> in short, hdmi is weird :)
[18:39] <directhex> yeah, talking about cables here ;)
[18:39] <MartijnVdS> We have a "cheap cables" web store in .nl
[18:40] <MartijnVdS> €4 HDMI cables \o/
[18:40] <MartijnVdS> instead of the extortionate €50 you pay in stores
[18:54] <dwatkins> people actually pay that for HDMI cables?
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: if you just bought a shiny new 3D TV and blu-ray player, but don't have cables, AND don't want to wait 3 days for it to arrive in the mail
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: yes.
[18:55] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: yea I just paid £4.99 for a 1.5m hdmi 1.4 cable
[18:56] <dwatkins> ah ok, I can understand paying over the odds to get it quickly (although the local 24 hour Tesco has them in stock)
[18:56] <Azelphur> free next day delivery too, can't complain
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> some people even fall for the "audiophile" ones ("copper with argon bubbles and a silver coating and gold contacts")
[18:56] <dwatkins> haha
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> because it's BETTER
[18:56] <Azelphur> I could have got it for like £1 but I don't wanna wait
[18:57] <dwatkins> I can understand a slightly better built connector and a thicker cable so it doesn't bend too much with frequent reconnection, but that's about it
[18:57]  * MartijnVdS has a Zoom H1 mic
[18:57] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: how often do you reconnect though
[18:57] <MartijnVdS> popey: ^ H1 mic = cool :)
[18:58] <popey> me too!
[18:58] <popey> picks up hand noise when holding it though
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> yeah, I got the "accessory pack" with it
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> with a small tripod and an afro^Wwind screen
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> popey: I also made my Canon 50D do video (it's not supposed to, yay MagicLantern ;))
[19:05] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: quite frequently at the moment, as I havn't yet spent 50 GBP on a HDMI switch box.
[19:23] <daftykins> my old school TV with its' one HDMI drove me mad
[19:23] <daftykins> last Christmas i gave myself a Denon AV receiver and 5.1 speaker set ^_^
[19:24] <brobostigon> this prog on bbc3 makes me laugh, how they came to make it.
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> why would you go to the US to _disprove_ creationism?
[19:28] <daftykins> for the crack?
[19:28] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: exactly, but just because there is such an extreme public view of it.
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> haha.. how to annoy McDonald's employees http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNTSugyS038&feature=youtu.be
[20:00] <czajkowski> http://hackntalk.org/hello-world/  say hello to my new pet project
[20:23] <kjalil> hey has anyone ever reported audio problems when playing flash that can be fixed by doing 'pulseaudio --kill'?
[20:23] <kjalil> I keep having audio issues even on a fresh PC startup and that fixes it
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> don't use flash ;)
[20:24] <kjalil> awesome :-) next...
[20:59] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: poor McDonalds ;)
[20:59] <daftykins> in the US, just speaking in my Guernsey accent was enough to get orders confused \o/
[21:16] <czajkowski> AlanBell: you're missing
[21:35] <diplo> evening all
[21:36] <diplo> Anyone remind of the package for joining images together to make 1 out of 3
[21:36] <diplo> Got a big school photo of one of my boys but needed to be scanned 3 times to get it copied
[21:38] <Darael> Hugin?
[21:38] <Darael> That's what comes up if I axi-cache search stitch
[21:39] <Darael> diplo: ^
[21:40] <diplo> hugin, that's it
[21:40] <diplo> thanks
[21:40] <Darael> There's also the pandora package, which is a GIMP plugin, apparently.  Both hugin and it are aimed at panoramas, but they should work just as well for stitching scans.
[21:40] <diplo> Sorry was looking on other screen
[21:41] <Darael> No worries, I just thought I'd make sure of the highlight.
[21:41] <diplo> Now to see if I have the images somewhere on this machine :)
[21:45] <diplo> Nope, ok.. tomorrows job :)
[22:28] <gebbione> is there a freenode channel for .net?
[22:42] <AlanBell> gebbione: you could ask the alis bot
[22:43] <AlanBell> gebbione: /msg alis list *.net
[22:43] <AlanBell> seems to be ##asp.net                                           86 :[##ASP.NET] Read Guidelines @ http://aspdotnet.supertechhelp.com - Entity Framework: #entityframework  Winforms: ##vb.net or ##csharp -  WPF/Silverlight/Metro: ##xaml - WCF: ##WCF
[22:56] <Darael> There'll be mono channels, too, which are /related/.


[23:08] <h9x> can anybody help me
[23:08] <sajan> anyone
[23:08] <sajan> to help a noob
[23:09] <usr13> !ask
[23:09] <uhhh> wafflejock: I'm on 3.14.1-031401-generic
[23:09] <h9x> i remove the Compiz and still working
[23:09] <wafflejock> uhhh: yeah so found another forum that ultimately points to this package https://packages.debian.org/unstable/main/r8168-dkms
[23:09] <rypervenche> sajan: You don't want to install Java from the website. You should install it from your repositories.
[23:09] <wafflejock> uhhh: here's the conversation http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=85431
[23:10] <sajan> yes
[23:10] <sajan> but what is the command i can use in terminal
[23:10] <rypervenche> sajan: What version of Ubuntu are you on?
[23:10] <sajan> the latest 14 ls 64 bit
[23:10] <wafflejock> uhhh: maybe try to install that package to override the kernel driver, it says you need to purge it if you want the kernel one to take back over
[23:11] <queensanddrones> Hi, I just installed Ubuntu 14.04 on a pc I had at home and everything seems to be working fine minus an issue when other users try to log in. It seems to be having a login loop where the password is correct but it goes back to the login screen. I tried various things I found via google from people with similar issues but none have worked. Ideas?
[23:11] <Beldar> h9x, More exacting details please, what desktop and why did you remove compiz?
[23:11] <h9x> xfce
[23:11] <rypervenche> sajan: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jre
[23:11]  * eeee dejavu ?
[23:11] <Beldar> !who | h9x no one word answers please and read the questions
[23:11] <sajan> thank you,,.....i have to package so shall i use second command
[23:12] <eeee> queensanddrones: cat /etc/pam.d/common-auth | pastebinit
[23:12] <rypervenche> sajan: You should use OpenJDK for your java needs.
[23:12] <h9x> hey beldar lock this link http://im49.gulfup.com/byiUAi.png
[23:12] <rypervenche> sajan: Unless you have a very specific need for Oracle Java, I recommend using OpenJDK. Running the full command I gave you will give you what you hopefully need.
[23:12] <sajan> @rypervenche .......thanks
[23:13] <wafflejock> yeah open jdk works most of the time
[23:13] <wafflejock> in rare cases I've had to use the oracle one but can't recall for what exactly
[23:13] <Beldar> h9x, What is the issue?
[23:13] <sajan> i will try now and let u know how it goes
[23:14] <Beldar> sajan, You can tab complete nicks use them please and use whole words this is not twitter.
[23:14] <askon> eeee: thanks, looks like working, will be checking these days
[23:14] <eeee> askon: great
[23:14] <eeee> :)
[23:14] <eeee> you won't believe it, you left, and another guy is asking about the exact same issue
[23:14] <eeee> lol
[23:14] <h9x> i remove  the compiz and emerald and it still working and i cant control the windows
[23:15] <wafflejock> queensanddrones: you could try open a tty Ctrl+Alt+F1 (use Ctrl+Alt+F7 to get back to the login screen) on the tty you can login and can try to see if you get any more info logging in with the other accounts to or else, tail -f /var/log/syslog or maybe tail -f /var/log/auth.log
[23:15] <askon> eeee: haha, nice
[23:15] <wafflejock> queensanddrones: or you can install multitail to watch multiple logs at once
[23:15] <uhhh> wafflejock: it says in the thread to be careful installing unstable versions
[23:15] <uhhh> ie. don't use dpkg -i <x>
[23:15] <Beldar> h9x, If you tweak the desktop you are somewhat on your own without exact info, xfce does not use either.
[23:15] <uhhh> don't add to /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:15] <wafflejock> uhhh: there's one in apt-get
[23:16] <uhhh> ah k
[23:16] <wafflejock> uhhh: I don't have any extra ppas right now
[23:16] <uhhh> so just apt-get install r8168?
[23:16] <wafflejock> uhhh: with the -dkms at the end
[23:16] <uhhh> or I guess search first
[23:16] <uhhh> k
[23:16] <wafflejock> uhhh: just tab complete it
[23:16] <Beldar> h9x, Do a reboot and see if the issue is the same, removing controls like those need a logut or desktop restart at best.
[23:17] <alami> hello, i have installed tor browser and i have forget how? what i remember is i have add repository with add-apt-repository, when can i found it? not in /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:17] <wafflejock> queensanddrones: actually multitail is nice if you want to watch multiple log files too
[23:17] <sajan> rypervenche, i cannot get the second command work
[23:18] <sajan> says could not open lock file
[23:18] <Beldar> alami, The tor browser straight from them is the advised use.
[23:18] <uhhh> wafflejock: k gonna reboot, brb
[23:18] <rypervenche> sajan: Why not? What does it say? (paste it to pastebin.com or something)
[23:18] <wafflejock> uhhh: yup good luck
[23:18] <queensanddrones> wafflejock: I'm not sure what that does. I'm new to Linux :/
[23:18] <sajan> uld not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
[23:18] <sajan> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[23:18] <sajan> sajan@Sajan-ThinkPad-T61:~$
[23:18] <wafflejock> queensanddrones: the first part or the second part?
[23:18] <Beldar> alami, ppa's are not supported here technically
[23:18] <rypervenche> sajan: That means that some other command is installing things or you forgot to use "sudo"
[23:18] <eeee> queensanddrones: sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[23:18] <rypervenche> sajan: You forgot "sudo" I think.
[23:18] <queensanddrones> wafflejock: multitail
[23:18] <anarkhos> so, on normal ubuntu, the computer itself wakes up after suspend, but the screen is black. that's better than no reaction at all
[23:18] <queensanddrones> eeee: installed
[23:19] <eeee> queensanddrones: cat /etc/pam.d/common-auth | pastebinit
[23:19] <alami> Beldar: yes the command add-apt-repository is support hier?
[23:19] <sajan> yeah thanks
[23:19] <sajan> working now
[23:19] <alami> Beldar: yes the command add-apt-repository is support here?
[23:19] <wafflejock> queensanddrones: it's just a terminal program for watching lots of files, if you want to install it, sudo apt-get install multitail, then usage is like, multitail /var/log/syslog /var/log/auth.log
[23:19] <alami> Beldar:so i want to remove it
[23:19] <sajan> is there any website where i can study codes for temninal
[23:19] <Beldar> !ppa-purge | alami
[23:19] <queensanddrones> eeee: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8117956/
[23:19] <wafflejock> queensanddrones: it just opens and watches the end of log files so you can see when new events happen
[23:19] <uhhh> wafflejock, so far so good
[23:20] <uhhh> now just gotta wait and see
[23:20] <queensanddrones> wafflejock: oh neat, that sounds pretty cool i will probably check it out
[23:20] <alami> Beldar: my Problem is i have forget the ppa:<repository-name>/<subdirectory> 's names
[23:20] <askon> eeee: sir it got even worse
[23:21] <eeee> lol, what?
[23:21] <eeee> thought it worked?
[23:21] <queensanddrones> I have a feeling this may have something to do with how i partitioned things at installation
[23:21] <queensanddrones> i think i may have accidentally set something to mount point /home and im not sure if that is maybe affection permissions when i try to do things as root?
[23:21] <askon> yeah, it shuts down to sleep once, so now i have to log in 4 times and one more to press the power button
[23:22] <eeee> hmm
[23:22] <askon> eeee: do not recommend to anyone please
[23:22] <rypervenche> sajan: Hmmm, there are some. What is your native language?
[23:22] <sajan> Englisj
[23:22] <sajan> english
[23:22] <eeee> askon: cat /etc/pam.d/common-auth | pastebinit
[23:22] <askon> sec
[23:23] <sajan> rypervenche, i have these package install_flash_player_11_linux.x86_64.tar.gz
[23:23] <sajan> how can i install
[23:23] <sajan> using terminal
[23:23] <Ornacia> hello
[23:24] <alami> @sartan: okay good to know it, is that with all extentions or only with .JPG
[23:24] <alami> Beldar: my Problem is i have forget the ppa:<repository-name>/<subdirectory> 's names
[23:24] <askon> eeee:http://paste.ubuntu.com/8117983/
[23:24] <OerHeks> alami, find it with "   ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/  "
[23:25] <eeee> askon: seriously?
[23:25] <alami> OerHeks: thanks, that's what i was looking for :-)
[23:25] <askon> eeee: just did what you said
[23:25] <askon> eeee: any issue?
[23:26] <eeee> askon: ok, type cat /etc/pam.d/common-auth
[23:26] <askon> sec
[23:28] <askon> eeee: here you go: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8118011/
[23:29] <wafflejock> sajan: why are you trying to install the flash player from a tar.gz?
[23:29] <queensanddrones> should i try reinstalling ubuntu
[23:29] <wafflejock> sajan: there is a flash player installer package in the repos
[23:29] <sajan> wafflejock, its in download folder
[23:29] <sajan> yeah i know its all in ubuntu software center
[23:29] <rypervenche> sajan: You don't need to install it from that tarball.
[23:30] <wafflejock> sajan: if you want to install from that pacakge you can, you're better off getting Google chrome it has a more updated version like FP 14
[23:30] <sajan> but i want to learn to how to install from harddisk
[23:30] <rypervenche> sajan: Install it from the package available inside of Ubuntu.
[23:30] <wafflejock> sajan: for learning purposes ok
[23:30] <rypervenche> sajan: You shouldn't be installing anything from a website, for the most part.
[23:30] <wafflejock> sajan: what you have is a "tarball" or a gzipped tape archive file
[23:30] <wafflejock> !tar | sajan
[23:30] <sajan> wafflejock, yeah,............can i install it with temnial
[23:31] <wafflejock> tar you can use tar -xvzf filename.tar.gz
[23:31] <rypervenche> sajan: There is a package already in your repositories.
[23:31] <wafflejock> sajan: that will extract it to a folder
[23:31] <wafflejock> rypervenche: they're just interested in how to do it
[23:31] <sajan> repositories mean,........
[23:32] <wafflejock> sajan: the operating system has locations already specified in your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[23:32] <rypervenche> wafflejock: Because he doesn't know any better, from what I gather.
[23:32] <wafflejock> rypervenche: I see
[23:32] <sajan> wafflejock, rypervenche i m sorry i just installed today so i dont know anything
[23:32] <wafflejock> sajan: np rypervenche is just trying to tell you the best thing here
[23:32] <eeee> askon: gksu gedit /etc/pam.d/common-auth
[23:32] <wafflejock> sajan: the repos are curated by people who test the stuff with the OS
[23:32] <rypervenche> wafflejock: Then I'll let you take over.
[23:32] <wafflejock> sajan: so you don't risk getting software that doesn't work if you just use the repos
[23:33] <wafflejock> sajan: if you want to install from the command line from the repos you can too though
[23:33] <sajan> oh so it works like that ....thank you
[23:33] <wafflejock> sajan: you use sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[23:33] <wafflejock> sajan: yeah if you  just go out on the internet and download something and install it you want to be sure it came from a safe source
[23:34] <sajan> so "sudo apt-get" is main command for terminal?
[23:34] <wafflejock> sajan: sudo is for super user or admin privileges
[23:34] <wafflejock> apt-get is for getting packages
[23:34] <wafflejock> !apt-get
[23:34] <piyush1911> Hi, anyone has nay experience in using a kickstart to install a fakeRAID(0) ubuntu 12.04 system, I am having lot of issues in being able to partition and then install the grub
[23:34] <piyush1911> Please need some guidance
[23:34] <sajan> thank you wafflejock
[23:35] <OerHeks>  !info pepperflashplugin-nonfree
[23:35] <wafflejock> sajan: the "packages" for debian/ubuntu have a .deb extension and are like zip files with some scripts to install stuff
[23:35] <wafflejock> sajan: np
[23:35] <sajan> wafflejock, i will first read about basics of ubuntu then i can ask if i am wrong
[23:35] <wafflejock> sajan: sure
[23:36] <wafflejock> sajan: one of the main things on the command line is using the "man" command
[23:37] <wafflejock> sajan: use man man, to see the manual for the manual program, basically though man apt-get, or man whatevercommand will show you the manual with lots of details on usage and what it does
[23:37] <sajan> wafflejock, any shortcut to open terminal like in windows for cmd
[23:37] <wafflejock> sajan: yeah think it's winkey+T by default
[23:37] <wafflejock> sajan: depends on the exact version you have
[23:37] <wafflejock> sajan: for me it's Ctrl+Alt+T
[23:38] <wafflejock> but using Ubuntu Gnome edition
[23:38] <sajan> yeah for me its ctrl+alt+t
[23:38] <sajan> wafflejock, whats difference between yours and official from website?
[23:38] <SCHAAP137> i use ctrl Win Q to quit XMonad
[23:39] <SCHAAP137> it's like, a logoff
[23:40] <wafflejock> sajan: the major difference is just the desktop environment and some of the default apps here's a visual guide to the desktop environments (er some popular ones) http://www.howtogeek.com/163154/linux-users-have-a-choice-8-linux-desktop-environments/
[23:41] <askon> eee: looks good, but not finally, it requires me to press the "power" button one more time but from 5 it went to 2 manipulations, thanks a lot
[23:41] <wafflejock> sajan: basically the launcher thing on the left in Unity and the Lense capability you have when you hit the windows key are replaced by various other ways to display your "panel" or "taskbar" or running apps or whatever and ways that the windows and virtual desktops work and lots of other stuff, hard to sum up
[23:42] <sajan> wafflejock, yours looks cool
[23:42] <askon> eeee: looks good, but not finally, it requires me to press the "power" button one more time but from 5 it went to 2 manipulations, thanks a lot
[23:42] <sajan> can u give me iso download link
[23:42] <eeee> askon: when you sudo, do you have to enter it more than once?
[23:42] <wafflejock> sajan: yeah I really am liking Gnome I just switched to it from KDE which was getting kinda clunky for me
[23:42] <wafflejock> sajan: http://ubuntugnome.org/
[23:43] <sajan> thank you i am trying that now.,.........is it possible to boot it from usb first
[23:43] <wafflejock> sajan: honestly I think Unity is okay now too, but it's nice that there are options
[23:43] <askon> eeee: no, it just turns off and i need to press the power button again and log in again
[23:43] <wafflejock> sajan: yeah it has live ISO capabilties too, you should have a USB creator app if you check in the launcher
[23:43] <sajan> oh okk
[23:43] <Beldar> wafflejock, The gnome shell is in the ubuntu repos.
[23:44] <piyush1911> Hi, anyone has any experience in using a kickstart to install a fakeRAID(0) ubuntu 12.04 system, I am having lot of issues in being able to partition and then install the grub, please I need a little help.
[23:44] <wafflejock> Beldar: true but brand new user safe to install it right away without messing up the system
[23:44] <wafflejock> Beldar: I went with a clean install cause I was coming from KDE and didn't want the bloat still around
[23:44] <wafflejock> Beldar: SSD space is limited
[23:44] <alami> when i try ppa-purge i get Warning:  Could not find package list for PPA: upubuntu-com-tor64-trusty.list
[23:44] <eeee> askon: what do you mean? when you do sudo <command> the pc turns off (as in sleeps?)
[23:45] <RonaldReagan> does anyone know how to disable flashing from mirc
[23:45] <sajan> wafflejock, how can i create live usb stick
[23:45] <askon> eeee: yes
[23:45] <askon> eeee: a
[23:45] <eeee> ok, well
[23:45] <wafflejock> sajan: just hit winkey and start typing USB you should have a USB creator program installed by default I'm pretty sure
[23:45] <jgcampbell300> what would i use as a remote desktop connection to maintain several ubuntu boxes ?
[23:45] <RonaldReagan> i know i can right click it but is there a way toautomate it?
[23:45] <Beldar> alami, pastebin your command so we see it.
[23:45] <askon> i push it one more time and i comes on
[23:45] <eeee> try this command su -c 'cat /etc/group'
[23:45] <eeee> askon: what happens
[23:46] <askon> eeee: then it comes o  really fast and asks for the pass
[23:46] <askon> eeee: then it comes on  really fast and asks for the pass
[23:46] <wafflejock> sajan: basically just run that download the .iso file, load the iso in the program with the flash drive in the computer and hit the button usually not too much to it
[23:46] <eeee> nevermind i forgot no root on ubuntu
[23:46] <maluma> cv
[23:46] <maluma> hola
[23:47] <eeee> askon: nevermind
[23:47] <OerHeks> RonaldReagan, does Mirc not provide you a manual? poor windows software.
[23:47] <jgcampbell300> how do you connect one xubuntu desktop to another
[23:47] <alami> sudo ppa-purge ppa:upubuntu-com-tor64-trusty.list/
[23:47] <wafflejock> jgcampbell300: typically you want to use ssh to make things secure
[23:47] <awesomess3> sajan, you can use http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ it installs an ISO onto a USB flash-drive/thumb-drive/usb-stick
[23:48] <wafflejock> jgcampbell300: graphically you can use vnc-server and vnc-client
[23:48] <askon> eeee: thanks a lot, i will fly to sweden tomorrow and i will write it from there if any issues, thanks, much easier now
[23:48] <wafflejock> awesomess3: isn't there one in the default version of ubuntu?
[23:48] <OerHeks> alami just ppa:upubuntu-com/tor64
[23:48] <wafflejock> awesomess3: I've got one in my gnome install of ubuntu and didn't install it
[23:48] <eeee> askon: sorry, it didnt work out, i'll google some more and who knows
[23:48] <jgcampbell300> wafflejock, would vnc-server be the best option ?
[23:48] <Beldar> alami, this look familiar  https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/ubuntu/tor-browser
[23:49] <wafflejock> jgcampbell300: if you're looking for something just like RDP and want the GUI when you login then I think it is
[23:49] <wafflejock> jgcampbell300: you can use ssh to setup a tunnel for the VNC connection (it's easier than it sounds)
[23:49] <askon> eeee: thanks, google didn't help me on this issue anyway
[23:49] <alami> OerHeks: you know my Problem? i can't update when using this repo :-(
[23:49] <jgcampbell300> wafflejock, ok thanks ... i will read on it now
[23:50] <OerHeks> alami, no, i never used such ppa' s
[23:50] <awesomess3> wafflejock, sajan I can't find any USB-creator software on my Xubuntu 14.04, but it doesn't mean it's not there, *shrugs* `apropos usb` yields nothing either.
[23:50] <Beldar> alami, Last update to that ppa was in 4-22
[23:50] <anarkhos> is f6 the key to press if i want boot options when running the live-usb of ubuntu?
[23:51] <wafflejock> jgcampbell300: yeah just get the ssh connection part sorted out, ideally just using a private/public key pair instead of password based connection
[23:51] <eeee> askon: still there?
[23:51] <wafflejock> jgcampbell300: then you just add a flag to the ssh connection -L with the port you want to forward, then from the vnc viewer you tell it to connect to localhost and the tunneled ports will connect you to the remote machine instead
[23:51] <askon> eeee: here
[23:52] <jgcampbell300> wafflejock, sounds good
[23:52] <Beldar> alami, good info here, on that ppa, and on using the tor browser straight from them. http://askubuntu.com/questions/382394/how-do-i-install-the-tor-browser-bundle-in-ubuntu
[23:52] <sajan> wafflejock, i m sorry my laptop hanged
[23:53] <aaaa> Hi. 12.04 LTS.  I added another 500Gb(ext4) and put it in fstab.. boots fine... I just forget what I need to do so I can make that volume writable from my account.. its sudo chown or chmod??? Thanks.
[23:53] <wafflejock> jgcampbell300: yeah let me know if you get stuck got the tunneling line in my scripts for connecting with the tunneling for VNC
[23:53] <sajan> wafflejock, can you tell me why my laptop hangs when i try search function in the launher
[23:53] <alami> Beldar: okay so the repository is removed but i still have it's entry in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[23:53] <jgcampbell300> wafflejock, kk
[23:54] <wafflejock> sajan: not sure might be related to the graphics drivers, unity is kind of graphically intense with the half transparent blur stuff going on
[23:54] <askon> eeee: anything?
[23:54] <wafflejock> sajan: could be something at a hardware level that has problems too though, hard to diagnose things without digging into it some
[23:54] <Beldar> alami, OPen it is it commeneted out with a "#"
[23:54] <sajan> wafflejock, it never happend to windows 7
[23:55] <alami> Beldar:http://askubuntu.com/questions/382394/how-do-i-install-the-tor-browser-bundle-in-ubuntu the solution here will update tor-browser?
[23:55] <sajan> wafflejock, i dont find usb disk creator in my launcher
[23:55] <eeee> askon: try sudo su
[23:55] <Beldar> alami, updates from where you are, are not possible purge the one you have and install from tor.
[23:56] <eeee> askon: then try login <your username>
[23:56] <wafflejock> sajan: yeah this is a typical issue when someone moves from windows to linux regarding trying to compare them... since the whole software stack is different you really can't compare them directly, and most likely you just need to add some appropriate graphics drivers to fix the issue, that said it does indicate the hardware is probably okay
[23:56] <eeee> askon: see if it asks you for the password more than once, or if it sleeps
[23:56] <alami> Beldar: thats the best way :-) thanks a lot
[23:56] <wafflejock> sajan: regarding the usb creator you can install the unetbootin package suggested earlier if you don't have one
[23:56] <askon> eeee: pls give me the command, on what to sudo su?
[23:57] <wafflejock> sajan: strange thought that was built in
[23:57] <Beldar> alami, Tor is a funky thing, I assume they have updates themselves, not sure really.
[23:57] <alami> the problem when i use that one from tor-project, i can't lock it to unity
[23:57] <wafflejock> sajan: sudo apt-get install unetbootin
[23:57] <sajan> wafflejock, how can i fix graphics driver
[23:57] <sajan> any way
[23:57] <eeee> askon: ok, "sudo su" , then "login <your username>"
[23:57] <wafflejock> sajan: well if you're going to change systems don't worry about it immediately
[23:57] <Beldar> alami, I would not give it root anyway, it will without it.
[23:57] <wafflejock> sajan: better to wait for the dust to settle and when you decide what to go with then tune it up
[23:58] <askon> eeee: it goes well in terminal
[23:58] <eeee> when you typed login <your username>
[23:58] <eeee> it asked you for your username's password?
[23:58] <Beldar> alami, It runs without root, that is really best in my opinion.
[23:58] <askon> eeee: yes
[23:58] <wafflejock> sajan: there is an additional drivers dialog in Unity that lets you add drivers or you can install them from the repo or you can get them from the manufacturer but don't worry about it ATM if you want to try other systems potentially
[23:58] <eeee> askon: you typed it only once? or ..? did it sleep ?
[23:59] <sajan> wafflejock, yeah i  m trying gnome for now
[23:59] <uhhh> I went with the default unity
[23:59] <alami> Beldar: okay thanks a lot , i will try to lock it to the side bar :-)
[23:59] <uhhh> but I miss the desktop swapping
[23:59] <sajan> wafflejock, as i prefer graphical more
[23:59] <askon> eeee: opened the terminal, typed: sudo su, and asked for the pass only
[23:59] <wafflejock> uhhh: think you still have virtual desktops no?
[23:59] <uhhh> wafflejock: maybe, I've never used ubuntu before, still tinkering with it


[00:21] <CIA-7> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4711 trunk/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[00:21] <CIA-7> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: console-setup
[00:21] <CIA-7> ubiquity: 1.57ubuntu20, grub-installer 1.60ubuntu3, partman-auto 93ubuntu15.
[00:33] <CIA-7> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4712 trunk/debian/real-po/ (fr.po hu.po ko.po vi.po): fix several variable substitution errors in translations (see LP #767867)
[00:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 767867 in ubuntu-translations "Variable substitution errors in ubiquity translations" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/767867
[00:40] <CIA-7> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4713 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.6.7
[01:01] <CIA-7> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1439 ubuntu/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Update help text translations from Launchpad.
[01:04] <CIA-7> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1440 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20101020ubuntu29
[01:08] <ev> Anyone around that could upload ubiquity?
[01:13] <TheMuso> ev: You? :)
[01:13] <ev> I'm typing this from my iPhone :)
[01:14] <TheMuso> ah.
[01:14] <ev> Things hadn't quite hit the archive when I left the office
[01:15] <ev> Though I guess uploading now is the same as doing so in the AM
[07:12] <cjwatson> ev: I did ...
[07:12] <cjwatson> 00:40 <CIA-7> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4713 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.6.7
[07:13] <cjwatson> (still waiting for review though)
[08:43] <cjwatson> ev: could you have a look at bug 768105?
[08:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 768105 in ubiquity "Not able to install using the latest Live CD" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/768105
[09:16] <ev> cjwatson: oh, awesome thanks
[09:17] <ev> looking now
[09:18] <ev> cjwatson: I don't know why it's not showing up in the logs, but that definitely is the missing import bug
[09:19] <ev> ubiquity 2.6.6 would not display the partitioning page because of it
[09:19] <ev> so it would jump straight to timezone and so on
[09:20] <cjwatson> mkay, I was just wondering about the weird m-a errors that showed up in the lolg
[09:20] <cjwatson> *log
[09:20] <cjwatson> I guess that's because it isn't getting any input from partitioning?
[09:21] <cjwatson> .oO( we should have some way for plugins to mark themselves as fail-whole-installer-if-they-fail, or something )
[09:21] <ev> the permission denied ones?
[09:21] <cjwatson> yeah
[09:21] <ev> I've seen that somewhere else yesterday
[09:21] <ev> but it doesn't make much sense, given the loop body that's associated with
[09:22] <cjwatson> I didn't see anything obvious there either
[09:22] <cjwatson> oh well, if you think it's the missing import bug we can just close it
[09:22] <cjwatson> can I draw your attention to slangasek's question in #-release too ...
[09:25] <ev> marking themselves as failing> there used to be a test in the harness for pages just not loading.  I'd like to resurrect this.
[09:25] <ev> mind you, it doesn't completely solve the problem
[09:25] <ev> but it would have caught this
[09:38] <ev> *blinks* https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/767722
[09:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 767722 in ubiquity "no progress bar natty install in virtualbox" [Undecided,New]
[09:53] <ev> looking into bug 750028
[09:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 750028 in ubiquity "'Encrypt My Home Folder' is still an option when upgrading/not reformatting" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/750028
[10:02] <ev> hm, I wonder if the db sync fixed this
[10:18] <ev> hmm, it wasn't broken before that
[11:37] <Kurisutian> cjwatson: Hi! How is it? Did those logfiles help with finding out what's going wrong on the server install?
[11:40] <cjwatson> Kurisutian: I backported the patch that phcoder applied upstream after your questions on #grub; that should help
[11:40] <cjwatson> Kurisutian: try today's server install CD?
[11:43] <Kurisutian> cjwatson: Thank you very much for that. Unfortunately I can't access the servers today since university is closed today due to easter holyday.... I will download a daily build next week and get back to you if that is fine with you, too...
[11:48] <cjwatson> sure
[11:48] <cjwatson> (though any changes will probably have to be post-release updates at this point, or oneiric if they're installer problems)
[11:57] <Kurisutian> cjwatson: Well as long as I could help with the problem. May I ask what the cause was of this trouble I experienced? I'm just asking out of curiosity since I have not find a way to install at all with the given options... ;-)
[12:16] <cjwatson> Kurisutian: phcoder (upstream) said that your btrfs filesystem used "huge chunks"
[12:16] <cjwatson> which weren't supported by GRUB's btrfs code
[12:16] <cjwatson> Kurisutian: I can't say for sure that this is the same thing
[12:16] <cjwatson> it may still break
[12:17] <cjwatson> but I don't have time to cram any more patches for it into 11.04, so if it's broken, we'll have to work it out in 11.10 and you should use a more stable filesystem in the meantime
[12:17] <Kurisutian> cjwatson: that's strange because I only used the plain ubuntu-server install cds to create the btrfs filesystem.... the other distro was not ubuntu.....
[12:17] <cjwatson> then I don't know
[12:17] <cjwatson> sorry, may not be fixed then.
[12:19] <Kurisutian> cjwatson: Is there a way to migrate from ext4 which works fine during installation to btrfs? I mean will that work like it does on my other distro? So I might be able to use it that way.... I'd use ext4 if it wasn't for the snapshots that come in handy because of what our project with the server does....
[12:19] <cjwatson> I have no idea
[12:19] <cjwatson> you could use LVM
[12:25] <Kurisutian> cjwatson: I'll take a look at it. We might have to go back to ext4 and aufs (http://aufs.sf.net) till we can upgrade.... the snapshots should be used to create different layers for mounting a variety of different settings on top of a existing general ubuntu installation. This is how we're creating a PXE TFTP Netboot environment.... unfortunately the default ubuntu kernel misses on a certain option so I have to
[12:25] <Kurisutian> manually compile a kernel for AUFS... that's why we wanted to switch to btrfs also.... but hey, thank you very much for helping, I really appreciate it a lot! :-)
[12:27] <davmor2> ev, cjwatson: does ubiquity now include the ability to install the binary drivers from the web for unity to work out of the box?
[12:27] <ev> davmor2: yes
[12:27] <ev> check the 3rd party software box
[12:28] <ev> which will tell jockey to install the nvidia driver if it's present
[12:29] <davmor2> ev: cool,  I'm looking to do an install on this box over the long weekend in order to get rid of the cruft on it,  starting to become unbearably slow
[12:31] <cjwatson> Kurisutian: sorry I couldn't do better, but we've just run out of time
[12:33] <Kurisutian> cjwatson: Don't be sorry about that. I'm not blaming you at all. As a matter of fact I really appreciate you being so supportive in here and giving your best to help. I think that's awesome! Besides that, we've been running the system on aufs before and can always fall back to that.... so no worry... ;-)
[12:47] <cjwatson> Kurisutian: *nod*
[13:01] <cjwatson> ev: ubiquity 2.6.7 failed to build - test failures
[13:01] <ev> ugh
[13:02] <ev> on it
[13:05] <ev> that should fix it
[13:05] <CIA-7> ubiquity: evand * r4714 trunk/ (debian/changelog tests/test_ubi_partman.py): Pretend to be online in tests. Fixes build failure.
[13:05] <ev> will test when I get back from lunch if no one beats me to it
[15:31] <CIA-7> ubiquity: evand * r4715 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.6.8
[17:08] <maxb> Does anyone know of a way, in preseeding, to trigger an upgrade of all packages before the debian-installer run ends?
[17:08] <maxb> pkgsel/upgrade is unfortunately not useful, as its upgrade step seems to operate before the final apt configuration has been installed, so it misses bits.
[17:27] <cjwatson> maxb: preseed/late_command?
[17:28] <maxb> I had a go - I was hoping someone had tried it - the upgrade hung during cups-bsd prerm, invoking update-inetd
[17:30] <cjwatson> ev: shouldn't we have set show_alpha_warning back to false?
[17:30] <maxb> bug 605149 ftr
[17:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 605149 in cups "Upgrade to cups-bsd_1.4.3-1ubuntu1.2 hangs during preseeded install" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/605149
[17:31] <mterry> Hello!  I just downloaded a nightly daily-live iso and tried installing, but never got a question about where to install Ubuntu.  And now I'm being shown a slideshow but no progress bar...
[17:32] <mterry> ev, is that normal?  ^
[17:32] <ev> mterry: known issue
[17:32] <ev> it will be fixed in the next daily-live CD
[17:32] <mterry> ah k
[17:33] <ev> (basically, ubi-partman crashed)
[17:33] <mterry> ev, thanks!
[17:34] <ev> in the meantime, you can probably just upgrade the copy of ubiquity on the CD, as I imagine the publisher has been run by now
[17:34] <cjwatson> ev: AFAICS, the alpha warning is shown on the KDE frontend language page
[17:34] <mterry> ev, heh, hadn't thought of that.  will try
[17:34] <ev> ugh
[17:34] <cjwatson> so I think we need a quick upload to set that to false
[17:35] <ev> on it
[17:35] <cjwatson> ta
[17:35] <CIA-7> ubiquity: evand * r4716 trunk/debian/ (changelog ubiquity.templates): Disable the alpha warning. Whoops.
[17:45] <CIA-7> ubiquity: evand * r4717 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.6.9
[19:47] <wubiexe> Any chance someone can fix bug 762833
[19:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 762833 in wubi "Incorrect version of wubi.exe on http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/windows-installer" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/762833
[19:54] <wubiexe> it's not so much that it's incorrect - it's that, but it's broken too (old 10.04.1 version that doesn't work), and only tells you after it's downloaded the full 10.04.2 CD image. Thanks!


[18:49] <BugeyeD> argh! please help!
[18:50] <BugeyeD> i just squashed /etc on my own box. my home directory is encrypted (ecryptfs). since /etc/ is borked, i can neither su/sudo/ssh.
[18:50] <BugeyeD> how the heck do i get my stuff outta my encrypted home dir?
[18:50] <BugeyeD> anyone?
[18:52] <BugeyeD> i'm checking here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory#Recovering%20Your%20Mount%20Passphrase
[18:53] <BugeyeD> but this stuff requires umounting my home dir, which i do not yet want to do in case i can manage to get this stuff off my machine first.
[18:55] <internalkernel> BugeyeD: sheeeeettt....
[18:55] <internalkernel> what do you mean you squashed /etc? Like it's gone?
[18:56] <BugeyeD> like i replaced it with /etc from another box. which was running another operating system, if you can believe that.
[18:56] <internalkernel> ouch... got it, yeah I've had those moments too...
[18:57] <internalkernel> I've reinstalled an OS, and reused the same encrypted partition... as long as user/pass are the same obviously.
[18:57] <BugeyeD> i got next to zero sleep, so today has been one long moment. at least it wasn't one of my servers, but i have well-loved stuff on this box.
[18:58] <internalkernel> lol... I do my best work at 3 am... after about 5 I've learned to go to bed... or somethign bad happens. :D
[18:58] <internalkernel> What about just mounting a liveCD and rsync /etc  - it won't be perfect but should at least get you through the sudo-ing
[18:59] <BugeyeD> all my stuff is ecryptfs-ed. i fear being unable to decrypt that following a reboot. i'm trying to figure out a way, any way, to get the stuff off first. i'm looking at ftp options at the moment.
[19:01] <BugeyeD> hmmm ...
[19:01] <internalkernel> Well, it sounds like anyway you cut this... it's going to require a reinstall to fix. Is /home on a separate partition?
[19:02] <internalkernel> I've reinstalled over Ubuntu over an encrypted home dir before - /home was separate, didn't partition it and used the same user/pass as the last install... it accessed my ecryptfs just fine...
[19:07] <BugeyeD> same fs, all root. just the default.
[19:08] <BugeyeD> i don't mind the reinstall - i just want to back up my stuff first if possible.
[19:35] <Tracy_P> clone the drive
[20:39] <BugeyeD> internalkernel_: heh, python saves the day. again ...   python -mSimpleHTTPServer
[20:39] <internalkernel_> lol... good idea... wasn't even thinking of that...
[20:39] <BugeyeD> crank up a shell on another box, and wget --recursive myotherhost:8000 ... then go have lunch
[20:40] <BugeyeD> yeah, i had to think "outta the box" :)
[20:40] <internalkernel_> that would do it... no sudo needed... lol...
[20:40] <internalkernel_> seriously... that's one for the toolbox.
[20:40] <BugeyeD> i spun my wheels trying to figure out how to connect outbound when ssh was no longer an option, and was coming up short. i guess i could have used rsync. probably would have been faster, but would have required rsync daemon on the other box first.
[20:41] <BugeyeD> i use python for stuff like this from time to time, like with adhoc requests for logs and such. no way i'm giving someone a login so that works well.
[20:43] <Tracy_P> I've had timeout issues with big files.
[20:43] <Tracy_P> be sure to check the md5sum at both ends
[20:49] <BugeyeD> hard to do with 90GB of data ... i won't be rebooting this guy for awhile ...
[20:50] <BugeyeD> i at a minimum want to get my python projects, ~/bin, and .xmonad stuff backed up. there is a lot of python stuff.
[20:50] <Tracy_P> python script to create an SQLite table holding relative path and md5sum, that you will then use to test other side
[20:51] <BugeyeD> i may also try the rsync method after the wget completes. rsync checksums, so if i run it a second time and no files are transferred i should be good. the sqlite part is beyond my experience. i support oracle dbas and know a bit of sql, but have never played with sqlite nor python plus any db.
[20:51] <Tracy_P> if I have to do it more than once, it should be in a quickly accessible script
[20:52] <Tracy_P> been too long since I was in python to be quick with it.
[20:55] <BugeyeD> dunno if i even have sqlite support files on this box. will eventually get there, probably. have been thinking of looking sqlite for storage where i'm currently using shelve.
[20:56] <Tracy_P> I'm sure you could just use a comma delimited file too.
[20:57] <Tracy_P> just a matter of scanning each entry on the testing side


[00:20] <rx_> any1 tried the ci unstable-weekly ppa?
[00:21] <rx_> i want to move to it on my dav machine but ive yet to find someone who tried it before me ;o)
[00:36] <ChasingLogic> What is the Plasma_DIR variable for?
[00:51] <rx_> Riddell: in your blog post you say weekly unstable gets some manual checking.. do you mean someone at least update to it and do some basic qa to make sure it doesnt crash on startup?
[01:13] <rx_> and is it made of master? the filenames have the latest tag in em but if i understand correctly, unstable-* use master and the plasma5 ppa for kubuntu 14.10 will be updated to the latest tag ?
[07:49] <soee_> rx_: there are some that use the unstable itself and it works for them :)
[08:34] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:34] <lordievader> rx_: Fwiw: I'm using the unstable landing ppa.
[08:34] <lordievader> And it has been quite nice to me.
[09:09] <stefan`> hi
[09:10] <stefan`> i noticed something weird about the plasma widget styles when using kubuntu-next or weekly CI
[09:10] <stefan`> i'm not sure whether its a bug so i wanted to ask here first
[09:11] <stefan`> the thing is: any qt5 application seems to use the style i select under "GNOME Application Style"
[09:12] <stefan`> while the qt4 applications actually use the style i select under "widget style"
[09:12] <stefan`> anybody noticed this as well?
[09:29] <soee> i think we dont have new apps in kubuntu yet
[09:30] <stefan`> soee: systemsettings is already new in kubuntu next and kubuntu weekly CI has konsole and kate in addition
[09:31] <soee> ah im not on CI
[09:31] <stefan`> soee: you can check systemsettings if you are on kubuntu next
[09:37] <soee> all worked fine for me, now im on vivid
[09:39] <Odur> Something strange after upgrading from 14.04 that I didn't notice before. Now I have to restart cups after boot to get printing working
[09:43] <Odur> I'm investigating the issue, but I'm clueless right now. On boot it says cups i started, but I have to "sudo service cups restart" for it to work
[09:44] <lordievader> Odur: Support is in #kubuntu ;)
[09:45] <Odur> lordievader: Yeah, I know. But I figured that this has something to do with the packaging
[09:46] <Odur> But I might be wrong...
[09:47] <lordievader> Odur: Please join #kubuntu and we'll investigate ;)
[09:47] <Odur> haha, yeah
[12:55] <BluesKaj_> Hiyas all
[14:56] <JackWolfSkin_> meow
[17:01] <soee> ping :)
[17:01] <yofel> hm?
[17:02] <soee> @ the promo page i mentioned yesterday, ill go with such sections @ start http://kubuntu.dev.soee.pl/
[17:05] <soee> iis there some list of Kubuntu developers ?
[17:06] <Riddell> ~kubuntu-dev and ~kubuntu-members in launchpad
[17:08] <soee> Riddell: do you guys agree to put your small profiles in Developers section on my promo page?
[17:15] <yofel> can't you export that over the launchpad API?
[17:16] <yofel> we're pretty lazy :P
[17:16] <soee> yofel: its not about if i can but if you agree to post your names etc :)
[17:23] <lordievader> Ain't the info you get from the launchpad API already public info?
[17:25] <yofel> soee: well, I *myself* wouldn't mind (that information is public anyway like lordievader said). If you plan to ask every single person that won't work too well
[17:27] <Riddell> akonadi talk on now, anyone got questions?
[17:28] <soee> well in the design in my mind, i would like to place a small photo of each developer so here it is better to ask, but well this can wait till i make some proggress with project
[17:29] <Riddell> soee: where's this for?
[17:30] <soee> photos ?
[17:31] <Riddell> soee: the promo page
[17:34] <soee> its to show new users in a friendly way what Kubuntu is, what software it offers etc. so they don't have to visit several pages to get general info, for more/detailed info i plan to add links to kubuntu.org
[17:37] <Riddell> soee: so a wiki page or on kubuntu.org ?
[17:38] <Riddell> sounds great regardless
[17:38] <soee> as i said before it is going to be onepage website, probably with some media also - like 1-2 videos, and i would like to have always up-to-date content so for example the videos or some images should always present latest version
[17:38] <soee> ah and multilanguage
[17:39] <soee> Riddell: if it will be possible, woudl be cool tu pin it under *.kubuntu.org maybe
[17:40] <Riddell> of course
[17:40] <Riddell> soee: but why not on www.kubuntu.org ?
[17:41] <soee> Riddell: because it wont be the same as current kubuntu.org, but we talk about this when the desing and content is ready ok ? :) Than you can see what i wanted to create :D
[17:42] <soee> next 2-3 probably, my firend will be working on a desing
[17:42] <soee> *2-3 weeks
[17:43] <soee> than when its ready ill cut it to be usable on website, and ill start with the content - english version
[17:43] <soee> and than translation can be made to other languages
[17:45] <Riddell> great
[17:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: are you here yet
[17:50] <yofel> shadeslayer: we're in the akonadi meeting room
[17:50] <shadeslayer> ok
[17:50] <shadeslayer> I'll head in by 7:30
[17:51]  * shadeslayer is exhausted from his week
[17:51] <shadeslayer> just got up
[20:11] <Riddell> shadeslayer: the second patch isn't applied yet https://github.com/sddm/sddm/issues/318
[20:11] <Riddell> shadeslayer: also we need a nice photo of the maldives
[20:11] <shadeslayer> pft
[20:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: you use mutt right?
[20:11] <shadeslayer> they're saying people don't use mutt anymore here
[20:11] <shadeslayer> :P
[20:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer: who says that?
[20:13] <Riddell> not those silly akonadi people? what do they know about e-mail?
[20:15] <shadeslayer> yep the silly akonadi people
[20:15] <shadeslayer> actually, they were using mbox as a example
[20:15] <shadeslayer> so meh
[20:18] <ScottK> mbox is a standard mail box format that REALLY ought to be supported.
[20:18] <ScottK> I hope they aren't thinking of dropping ig.
[20:20] <ScottK> s/ig/it//
[20:20] <shadeslayer> pretty sure they are
[20:21]  * shadeslayer thinks 90% of the people don't care about mbox
[20:22] <ScottK> I bet most people don't know if they care.
[20:22] <ScottK> Also, for us, mbox is a standard format to download bug information from the Debian BTS, so it would doubly suck.
[20:28] <JackWolfSkin_> ScottK: how would one do that?
[20:31] <ScottK> Click on the link in a debian bug to get an mbox view
[20:32] <JackWolfSkin_> ScottK: and what do I do with it then to get it into kmail?
[20:33] <Riddell> JackWolfSkin_: is shadeslayer's bag there
[20:33] <JackWolfSkin_> don't see no nothing
[20:34] <JackWolfSkin_> have shadeslayer ask maxy where to put ci tooling on git.debian
[20:34] <JackWolfSkin_> was thinking main dir of pkg-kde
[20:36] <JackWolfSkin_> ScottK: actually more to the point how do I get it into akonadi
[20:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: found it
[20:37] <shadeslayer> JackWolfSkin_ doesn't know how to look
[20:37] <shadeslayer> :p
[20:38] <shadeslayer> JackWolfSkin_: btw kcoreaddons doesn't have /usr/share/locale
[20:39] <JackWolfSkin_> good thing it is not in the list then
[20:40] <shadeslayer> ...
[20:40] <shadeslayer> JackWolfSkin_: what does ship locale then
[20:40] <shadeslayer> I thought you said kcoreaddons
[20:41] <JackWolfSkin_> you said kcoreaddons, I just went with it
[20:41] <JackWolfSkin_>         next if source_name == 'kconfigwidgets' or source_name == 'kdelibs4support'
[20:42] <shadeslayer> k
[20:44] <JackWolfSkin_> so where does this stuff go?
[20:44] <JackWolfSkin_> can't push things, don't know where to put it
[20:45] <JackWolfSkin_> is it beer oclock yet?
[20:45] <JackWolfSkin_> Riddell halp
[20:45] <Riddell> JackWolfSkin_: what?
[20:45] <JackWolfSkin_> is it beer o'clock yet?
[20:45] <shadeslayer> yes
[20:45] <shadeslayer> no
[20:45] <shadeslayer> maybe
[20:45] <shadeslayer> depends
[20:45] <shadeslayer> do we have beer
[20:45] <shadeslayer> is it sleep o clock yet
[20:45] <JackWolfSkin_> Riddell: ask maxy if pkg-kde/ci-tooling.git is an acceptable repo path for our ci scriptery
[20:45] <Riddell> right, I have no energy for beer and you said you'd never drink again
[20:45] <shadeslayer> what
[20:45] <shadeslayer> lol
[20:46] <shadeslayer> that's like saying the world is flat
[20:46] <sgclark> lol
[20:46] <JackWolfSkin_> I have beer in my minibar
[20:46] <sgclark> hope you guys are having fun :)
[20:46] <shadeslayer> minibar
[20:46] <shadeslayer> such fancy
[20:46] <Riddell> JackWolfSkin_: <maxy > yeah it's ok
[20:46] <shadeslayer> I have to pay for internet
[20:46] <shadeslayer> so fu
[20:46] <JackWolfSkin_> thx
[20:48] <JackWolfSkin_> shadeslayer: lolnub
[20:49] <shadeslayer> bugger off
[21:03] <JackWolfSkin_> http://blog.trello.com/introducing-unlimited-labels/?utm_source=mailchimp&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=Unlimited%20labels
[21:10] <shadeslayer> yay
[21:10] <yofel> sweet
[21:10] <shadeslayer> as if I even use labels
[21:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: planet.kde.org is unreachable
[21:11] <shadeslayer> /o\
[21:16] <JackWolfSkin_> Riddell, sgclark: there appears to be some confusion as to whether or not existing software should have their repo copied to kde-applications or get the branch in the existing repo
[21:16] <JackWolfSkin_> plz discuss that :P
[21:16] <sgclark> huh?
[21:17] <JackWolfSkin_> oh wait
[21:17] <JackWolfSkin_> sgclark: nevermind
[21:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer: works for me
[21:17] <shadeslayer> what works?
[21:19] <Riddell> shadeslayer: http://planet.kde.org
[21:20] <shadeslayer> nope
[21:20] <shadeslayer> can't reach it
[21:20] <shadeslayer> 4 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 3022ms
[21:20] <sgclark> can't here either
[21:21] <shadeslayer> whoa
[21:21] <shadeslayer> juju is written in go?
[21:22] <JackWolfSkin_> or maybe perl
[21:22] <yofel> seriously?
[21:22] <JackWolfSkin_> yofel: I now get the copyright thing... I'd not look at it, it's not a new source anyway, just a repo move
[21:22] <shadeslayer> JackWolfSkin_: no, it's go
[21:22] <yofel> sorry for asking you when you're not drunk :P
[21:22] <shadeslayer> https://github.com/juju/juju
[21:24] <JackWolfSkin_> I am a non-alcoholic
[21:24] <yofel> @_@
[21:24] <shadeslayer> pft
[21:36] <shadeslayer> JackWolfSkin_: we should totally revive QtRuby for Qt5
[22:09] <rx_> lordievader: thx for the info
[22:09] <rx_> soee: thx you too ;-)
[22:09] <rx_> bbl
[22:48] <JackWolfSkin_> shadeslayer: ?
[22:48] <JackWolfSkin_> yudrunk
[22:48] <yofel> he ran
[23:09] <valorie> sounds like quite the party there in munich
[23:10] <valorie> novemberfest
[23:18] <JackWolfSkin_> tomorrow is a wine party in my hotel btw xD
[23:20] <Riddell> oh gosh
[23:20] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin will bring his plum vodka
[23:20] <JackWolfSkin_> lol
[23:21] <ovidiu-florin> ȚUICĂ
[23:21] <ovidiu-florin> this one was made by my god-father
[23:22] <ovidiu-florin> the previous one was made by my dad
[23:22]  * sgclark meanwhile slaves away on kde-applications
[23:23] <Riddell> all new jriddell.org launched!
[23:23] <Riddell> comments welcome
[23:24] <sgclark> looks nice
[23:25] <valorie> oh my, plum vodka
[23:28] <valorie> who knew the Quakers had all the sexy underground games?
[23:28] <valorie> nice site, Riddell
[23:28] <Riddell> :)
[23:28] <valorie> your wink link is dead though
[23:28] <valorie> http://www.pym.org/youngfriends/Pages/wink.htm = 404
[23:29] <Riddell> shrug, that webpage is about 15 years old, I only kept it for sentimental (and google pagerank) reasons
[23:56] <sgclark> okies, time for my weekly D&D game, see you all tomorrow. Have a drink for me!
[23:57] <Riddell> have fun sgclark :)


[01:24] <nhaines> I was wondering whether there was a way to allow HUD to appear over a GTK top level window.  I'lm looking at a program that is fullscreen with no menus, but would benefit by having HUD integration when running under Ubuntu.
[02:00] <smspillaz> nhaines: as long as the window is not override redirect the hud should work fine
[04:39] <nhaines> smspillaz: It must do that, then.  I'm looking at PyRoom and was considering creating a menu tree to allow for HUD interaction.  But while HUD captures the Alt key, it never appears.
[04:39] <nhaines> smspillaz: Unfortunately, I'm not a GUI programmer, but I guess I have some research to do.  Thanks for a starting point.  :)
[04:40] <smspillaz> nhaines: yeah, getting the shell to stack above fullscreen windows is a bit of a strange usecase at the moment
[04:40] <smspillaz> I remember brandontschafer tried to make it work without too much success
[04:40] <smspillaz> its not really designed to do that
[04:51] <nhaines> smspillaz: when I researched it it did look like a weird corner case.  And I imagine it'd be easier to do with specific toolkits instead of universally.
[04:51] <smspillaz> nhaines: the problem is with unity itself, not your application
[04:51] <smspillaz> or rather, unity sits in an area thats not very clearly defined by the EWMH
[04:52] <smspillaz> the EWMH and the ICCCM mind you
[04:52] <smspillaz> basically, every other desktop will have its menus be override redirect windows which take a grab
[04:53] <smspillaz> unity can't do that because we need to support the XDnD case from the dash
[04:53] <smspillaz> so the "dash" is actually defined as a panel so that it stacks on top of normal windows
[04:53] <smspillaz> we looked into making the dash a "fullscreen" type window, but thats also tricky because then it will cause the input window to be unredirected
[05:31] <nhaines> smspillaz: oh, I understood that it was a Unity issue.  But I figured GTK had a better chance of having a workaround or solution rather than random GUI toolkit.
[05:32] <smspillaz> yeah
[05:32] <smspillaz> its "fixable" but not without a lot of effort
[05:32] <smspillaz> I think given the fact that the current incarnation of unity is "legacy" that won't really happen
[05:32] <nhaines> PyRoom is a "distraction-free" text editor.  So we specifically don't want the Unity panel or the app indicators or notification windows popping up.
[05:33] <nhaines> Otherwise it'd be a quick fix to just run maximized the entire time.
[05:33] <smspillaz> yeah :/
[05:34] <nhaines> So it's not like PyRoom is a standard use case either.  :)
[05:34] <nhaines> Ooh!  Any idea if UnityNext + Mir will address this issue?
[05:34] <smspillaz> nhaines: I guess you can add it to the list of "things that UnityNext will address"
[05:34] <smspillaz> (that list is really really really really long by the way)
[05:35] <smspillaz> nhaines: I can say as much as this: anything is addressable, no matter what codebase you're running on, its just a matter of whether or not the engineers want to address it on *this* rewrite ;-)
[05:35] <nhaines> smspillaz: granted.  ;)
[05:36] <nhaines> Well, I will say that Unity is beautiful and the shell plus HUD and even the voice search is what I want my computing to be.  And that's ignoring the fact that Ubuntu Touch is stunning.
[05:36] <smspillaz> :)
[05:37] <nhaines> I am also really sad that smart scopes got pushed back a cycle, but it's tempered by my hate for unannounced post-beta FFes from Canonical.  ;)
[05:38] <nhaines> But seriously, I'm looking at PyRoom and thinking "shortcut key-only commands are horrible.  If only we had a powerful way to expose commands" when I realized HUD was that way.  Ah well.  :)
[05:39] <smspillaz> nhaines: guess there's no reason why a temporary workaround couldn't be "run in hud capable mode" which just runs pyroom maximized
[05:41] <nhaines> smspillaz: I considered that last night as well.  We just might as well have it be option in the preferences window.
[05:48] <nhaines> smspillaz: I know that a HUD goal was to undterstand command synonyms for searching.  I was thrilled to see it in Ubuntu Touch.  Is there any work I can plan for now in PyRoom on Ubuntu 13.04 that will make this automagically happen when it's available maybe in 13.10?
[05:48] <smspillaz> nhaines: I don't know about the HUD goals, I just maintain the shell/wm integration in unity-legacy
[05:48] <smspillaz> ask tedg
[05:49] <nhaines> smspillaz: thanks.
[05:50] <nhaines> I'll take a pass at the mobile API and then I'll shoot him an email or something.
[06:04] <nhaines> smspillaz: actually, I've been noticing in raring that the Unity Launcher doesn't always slide in when I push past the left side of the screen.  Are you the one I shake my fist at about that?
[06:04] <nhaines> (It's random and I'm trying to narrow it down a bit more before I starting with the bug reports.)
[06:05] <smspillaz> nhaines: ask andyrock
[06:06] <smspillaz> or Trevinho
[06:06] <smspillaz> nhaines: in any case, its pressure based, you have to push your mouse against the side of the screen for a bit
[06:07] <smspillaz> (its designed to prevent it from accidentally coming out when you mouse to the back button on browsers for instance
[06:07] <nhaines> smspillaz:  yes, my favorite feature.  But occasionally it just won't come up and I have to open the Dash.  It seems to start working again after that.
[06:07] <smspillaz> *shrug*
[06:08] <nhaines> Never a problem in quantal, but I can't figure out why it's stopping (or when) in raring.  I might experiment more this weekend.
[06:08] <nhaines> In any case, never fear.  If I figure it out it's going on launchpad.  :)
[06:09] <smspillaz> nhaines: could have been when we moved to the upstream pressure patches
[06:09] <smspillaz> ask brandontschafer
[06:09] <smspillaz> I think he was doing the work for that
[06:10] <nhaines> smspillaz: thanks.  Can I find him in here later?
[06:10] <smspillaz> yeah PST I think
[06:11] <nhaines> Which is my time zone so that's perfect.  Great.  :)
[06:11] <smspillaz> isn't it like 1am for you ?
[06:11] <nhaines> 11pm.
[06:11] <smspillaz> I always get confused about SFO time
[06:11] <nhaines> 1am comes all too soon, don't worry.  ;)