[12:23] <nopcode> ok it worked
[12:24] <nopcode> but booting into the 2.2.20 kernel didnt start the X server either
[12:24] <hyper_ch> Do you have:  Applicatiosn --> System --> Restricted Drivers Manager?
[12:24] <hyper_ch> 2.6.20
[12:24] <hyper_ch> execute startx
[12:24] <nopcode> i dont have X
[12:24] <nopcode> it doenst start
[12:24] <hyper_ch> what error?
[12:24] <nopcode> can load module nvidia
[12:25] <nopcode> ah
[12:25] <nopcode> now it says it cant find the module file
[12:25] <nopcode> in /usr/lib/module
[12:25] <hyper_ch> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg-conf
[12:25] <nopcode> doesnt work
[12:25] <nopcode> but i think i need to reinstall the nvidia module
[12:25] <hyper_ch> reconfigure your xserver... then you can boot into x and then you can install the restricted drivers
[12:25] <hyper_ch> what didn't work?
[12:26] <nopcode> that sudo line
[12:26] <hyper_ch> what error?
[12:26] <nopcode> now i'm reinstalling the nvidia modules
[12:26] <nopcode> wait
[12:26] <hyper_ch> you see, a comment "didn't work" doesn't help much
[12:26] <nopcode> i know but i'm trying to reinstall the nvidia module
[12:26] <nopcode> because it didnt exist
[12:27] <hyper_ch> why not using vesa
[12:27] <nopcode> ok now it talked about nvidia api mismatch
[12:27] <nopcode> between x-server and kernel-module
[12:27] <nopcode> when doing "startx"
[12:27] <hyper_ch> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg-conf
[12:28] <nopcode> "xorg-conf is not installed"
[12:28] <hyper_ch> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server
[12:28] <nopcode> same
[12:28] <hyper_ch> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:28] <hyper_ch> damn, what was it again :)
[12:28] <nopcode> and then?
[12:28] <nopcode> it worked
[12:28] <nopcode> what now
[12:28] <nopcode> its asking me what driver to use
[12:28] <hyper_ch> go throught the menus
[12:28] <hyper_ch> is nvidia there?
[12:29] <hyper_ch> or nv?
[12:29] <hyper_ch> use nv
[12:29] <hyper_ch> or vesa
[12:29] <nopcode> WTF is it asking me!!
[12:29] <nopcode> i dont want that
[12:29] <nopcode> i can change the driver myself
[12:29] <hyper_ch> then go ahead
[12:31] <nopcode> ok X is running now
[12:31] <nopcode> what now?
[12:31] <hyper_ch>  Applicatiosn --> System --> Restricted Drivers Manager?
[12:31] <nopcode> ok i enabled it
[12:31] <nopcode> now?
[12:31] <hyper_ch> reboot
[12:31] <hyper_ch> (or restart xserver)
[12:32] <Merchelo> ctrl+alt+backspace
[12:32] <Jester45> its better to restart gdm
[12:35] <nopcode> ok re
[12:35] <nopcode> i rebooted
[12:35] <nopcode> the x server says the api version doesnt match
[12:35] <nopcode> between the X and the kernel module
[12:35] <hyper_ch> no clue
[12:35] <Jester45> ooo
[12:36] <Jester45> thats not good, what did you install
[12:36] <nopcode> i just followed the instructions :/
[12:36] <hyper_ch> he had gutsy kernel
[12:36] <hyper_ch> and followed some instructions from some wiki
[12:36] <nopcode> well it looked like semi-official
[12:36] <nopcode> well anyways
[12:36] <Atan_fx> hi, Espaol,
[12:36] <nopcode> which packages are relevant?
[12:36] <hyper_ch> !es | Atan_fx
[12:36] <nopcode> i'll try to remove and reinstall them
[12:36] <ubotu> Atan_fx: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[12:36] <nopcode> nvidia-glx for one, what else?
[12:37] <Atan_fx> ok thanks
[12:38] <kalikiana> !de | kalikiana
[12:38] <hyper_ch> kalikiana: #xubuntu-de
[12:40] <kalikiana> hyper_ch, I know. I just wanted to try that command because I saw it for the first time. :D
[12:40] <kalikiana> So there is no #xubuntu-es?
[12:40] <hyper_ch> kalikiana: try to enter that channel and you'll see
[12:40] <Jester45> there is
[12:40] <nopcode> re
[12:40] <nopcode> so, any ideas? :(
[12:41] <kalikiana> Someone should tell ubotu about #xubuntu-es, else it's confusing.
[12:41] <Jester45> or...not
[12:41] <hyper_ch> kalikiana: tell seveas
[12:42] <nopcode> so
[12:42] <nopcode> if i have nvidia-glx
[12:43] <nopcode> and nvidia-kernel-common
[12:43] <nopcode> shouldnt those two be compatible?
[12:47] <nopcode> i've only got voltaile/nvidia_new.o
[12:47] <nopcode> as kernel module
[01:08] <nopcode> hyper_ch: i got it to work with "envy"
[01:47] <friarjac1> I'm a newbie trying to install Xubuntu, and I need help.
[01:50] <cliebow>  ?
[01:53] <friarjac1> install appears to be hung up installing "anthy" at 65%.  I read in the forums that "anthy" is not necessary.  And gave a way to switch to the console, enter the "ps" command, use the process id that ps give & kill it.  I did all that, but I do not see a process id.  The text is longer than my screen length, so I miss the top  part.  Is it up there, or do I just not know what I'm looking for and it's right in front of me?
[01:56] <W8TAH> hi folks -- i need a suggestion -- ive been playing with kino and pitivi for video editing -- i can capture easilly with kino, but i need to find a good editor - -specifically, i need to add text and graphics to the video, as well as put in transitions - any suggestions?
[02:19] <|Slurpee|> anyone still here from my odd issue earlier ?
[02:20] <|Slurpee|> the alternate cd got me further into the installation
[02:21] <|Slurpee|> now I am getting odd errors while installing the base system
[02:21] <|Slurpee|> saying it cant find specific files
[02:28] <|Slurpee|> i am an idiot
[02:28] <|Slurpee|> stupid http request did not download entire file.
[03:09] <Ry-Fi> why are all the new distros made so you *have* to load the live cd first before u can install
[03:14] <crimsun> well, you can use the alternate installer image.  It's text-based and just an installer.
[03:14] <Ry-Fi> bleh, so i have to reburn another iso
[03:14] <Ry-Fi> i think im running out of disks
[03:14] <BFTD> I can send you some
[03:14] <Ry-Fi> well the system only as 128mb of ram, kubuntu should run on that right?
[03:14] <crimsun> Well, if your machine(s) is(are) capable of netboot/PXE, then do that...
[03:14] <Ry-Fi> *after* its installed
[03:15] <crimsun> Kubuntu will be tight on 128 MB.  Even Xubuntu will be.  Try Damn Small Linux or something.
[03:15] <Ry-Fi> haha this computer doesnt even have an ethernet port
[03:15] <Ry-Fi> hrm
[03:15] <Ry-Fi> ive never done a network install before
[03:15] <Ry-Fi> is it done easily? i can install a PCI nic really quick
[03:15] <BFTD> they're intense
[03:16] <Ry-Fi> crowe O_o
[03:16] <Ry-Fi> hahahah
[03:16] <BFTD> what?
[03:16] <Ry-Fi> thats random why arnt u in #cnerdc
[03:16] <BFTD> I was caught
[03:16] <Ry-Fi> oh u still banned>
[03:16] <BFTD> they found the "photo shopped" pci
[03:17] <BFTD> pic*
[03:17] <Ry-Fi> of Ash>
[03:17] <Ry-Fi> ?**
[03:17] <BFTD> of me
[03:17] <Ry-Fi> which picture is this?
[03:18] <BFTD> the one you didn't see
[03:21] <Ry-Fi> ok so how does a network install go?
[03:21] <Ry-Fi> cause i did just delete the iso
[03:21] <BFTD> get the alt cd
[03:21] <BFTD> use that
[03:22] <Ry-Fi> rgr
[03:22] <Ry-Fi> downloading
[03:23] <Ry-Fi> see
[03:23] <Ry-Fi> the ironic part is
[03:23] <Ry-Fi> windows installed just fine
[03:23] <Ry-Fi> but linux?
[03:23] <Ry-Fi> NO
[03:23] <Ry-Fi> such a pain in the assssssss
[03:26] <BFTD> wow, people don't like you already
[03:26] <Ry-Fi> all im saying is windows made it a lot more convienient
[03:29] <BFTD> windows was you child
[03:33] <odat> hi everyone anyone know why gnomebaker would have trouble reading track data when burning
[03:35] <Ry-Fi> odat have u tried installing windows>
[03:35] <Ry-Fi> ?*
[03:35] <Ry-Fi> jk
[03:43] <nekomancer> hello room!
[03:44] <nekomancer> i am currently installing 7.04 on a old p3 computer
[03:44] <nekomancer> and was wondering if there was a file system that would be bettersuited, speed wise, for this pc
[03:47] <cliebow> sounds like you are cramped for memory and cpu..not much you can do tot improvr
[03:47] <nekomancer> yes.  256 mb Ram, (+64 mb video card ram) and 700mhz processor
[03:48] <nekomancer> so it's more cramped for cpu than ram i guess
[03:49] <nekomancer> it's just a pc for a music player and little sister surfing the net/word processing, so it should be fine.  but any tiny improvement would be nice
[03:52] <Jester45> i use use ext3 its simpler and you will not gain that much performance over others for what it might be doing
[03:53] <nekomancer> that tis what i figured would be said.
[03:53] <nekomancer> but nothing lost in the asking
[03:53] <nekomancer> Jester45, you're in here a lot
[03:53] <Jester45> nekomancer: you might want to make 2 partitions, 1 at / for system files and 1 at /home for user stuff. its a lot safer if the system messes up then your sis will not loose her stuff
[03:53] <Jester45> yea i am
[03:54] <Jester45> nekomancer: the / should be fine at 10g or less. how big is the drive?
[03:54] <nekomancer> Jester45, i'm well aware of that, but thanks!  one for music files, one for home, one for the rest of the stuff
[03:54] <nekomancer> 19 gigs
[03:54] <pimp^air> hi
[03:54] <pimp^air> i'm looking for something like ms acces for gnome which is not openoffice
[03:55] <Jester45> nekomancer: i would do under 500mb swap but thats just me
[03:55] <pimp^air> but don't know what to google for?
[03:55] <nekomancer> 6 music 8 root 7 home
[03:55] <pimp^air> is there something like a gnome database-application?
[03:55] <pimp^air> oder some gtk-based app
[03:55] <pimp^air> :)
[03:55] <nekomancer> swap is set at 300 megs
[03:55] <Jester45> pimp^air: try php maybe, or google for linux spreedsheet datavase
[03:56] <pimp^air> php:)
[03:56] <Jester45> nekomancer: ok, if you want you can make the / partition a reisner fs, i think its faster but i dont know the stats on it
[03:56] <pimp^air> all i need it for is some customer invoice stuff of the most simple kind
[03:57] <nekomancer> Jester45, riser is only faster on a fast cpu
[03:57] <Jester45> pimp^air: search google for a linux database program
[03:58] <pimp^air> most things listed there are databases containing linux programm
[03:58] <nekomancer> Jester45, and only if you are using small files.  it's good for mp3 playback, mail servers, and the like.  it's cpu intecive
[03:58] <pimp^air> s
[03:58] <pimp^air> :)
[03:58] <pimp^air> and lots of oracle related stuff
[03:58] <Jester45> nekomancer: ok, i didnt quite know its faster for me, there is somthing like xfs wich is good but i dont know the name
[03:58] <nekomancer> pimp^air, why don't you like the open office stuff?
[03:59] <pimp^air> because it doesn't work on my fresh xubuntu install
[03:59] <Jester45> nekomancer: yea, the system part "/" is mostly small files if the bigger files are on a 2nd partition
[03:59] <nekomancer> Jester45, it's called XFS.  i did my googling and decided to check here prior to installing
[03:59] <pimp^air> i tried it out, the forms assistant for example doesnt work
[03:59] <pimp^air> i tried java5 and java6
[03:59] <pimp^air> no luck
[03:59] <nekomancer> Jester45, riser also takes long to mount
[04:00] <Jester45> nekomancer: well you know about as much as me...but you can remember the name
[04:00] <nekomancer> pimp^air, how did you install open office?
[04:00] <Jester45> well... i will be right back my fluxbox is done complieing
[04:00] <pimp^air> aptitude install openoffice.org
[04:01] <pimp^air> y?
[04:01] <nekomancer> did you run as root?
[04:01] <nekomancer> with sudo
[04:01] <nekomancer> and did you update first also?  (sudo aptitude update)
[04:02] <pimp^air> of course
[04:02] <pimp^air> still the wizard won't open
[04:03] <nekomancer> pimp^air, it works on my computer...  i'd try reinstalling it...
[04:03] <pimp^air> openoffice.org?
[04:03] <pimp^air> k, i'll do that
[04:03] <nekomancer> sudo aptitdue purge openoffice.org
[04:03] <nekomancer> you know the drill :P
[04:03] <Jester45> if you want i would apt-get clean to remove the downloaded debs
[04:03] <nekomancer> yes, that could help
[04:03] <Jester45> before reinstalled or your installed in same thing
[04:04] <pimp^air> openoffice.org is a meta-package
[04:04] <pimp^air> so it removed 0 bytes
[04:04] <pimp^air> :)
[04:04] <nekomancer> although unlikely, you may have gotten a bad or corrupted download
[04:04] <pimp^air> maybe i installed it using apt-get
[04:04] <Jester45> yea, but meta packages have other packages linked to them so when iyou isntalled that meta package it installed others
[04:04] <nekomancer> yes
[04:05] <nekomancer> but removing it may not have worked in that fashon
[04:05] <pimp^air> yes, it depends on them, but they don't depend on it
[04:05] <Jester45> pimp^air: did you apt-get clean openoffice.org? or just 'apt-get clean'
[04:05] <nekomancer> i don't know the pieces to open office, sorry
[04:05] <nekomancer> it's just apt-get clean
[04:05] <nekomancer> clears the entire cache
[04:05] <Jester45> i wasnt sure if you could add a package name to clean,
[04:06] <Jester45> ok... brb again i tihnk it should work now
[04:06] <pimp^air> no, did clean
[04:07] <pimp^air> nekomancer: which version of java are you using?
[04:07] <nekomancer> good question
[04:07] <pimp^air> hjehe
[04:08] <nekomancer> how can i find out? java -v tossed an unreconsied option at me
[04:08] <nekomancer> java makes me unhappy... long live python
[04:08] <Jester45> java is fun
[04:09] <nekomancer> Jester45, have you even tried python?
[04:09] <pimp^air> java -version
[04:09] <Jester45> yea
[04:09] <nekomancer> java version "1.6.0"
[04:09] <nekomancer> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0-b105)
[04:09] <nekomancer> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.6.0-b105, mixed mode, sharing)
[04:10] <nekomancer> Jester45, and you still find java fun?!  i fail to understand... it's slower, harder to read/write, and dosen't run as smoothly
[04:11] <Jester45> i dont like most python apps
[04:11] <pimp^air> python ftw
[04:11] <pimp^air> :)
[04:11] <nekomancer> Jester45, so you are simply a user.
[04:11] <Jester45> yea
[04:12] <nekomancer> Jester45, the reason for that seems to be advertising...   many people think java is some sort of standard or something...
[04:12] <pimp^air> ok, doing a reinstall of openoffice
[04:13] <pimp^air> after purging everything beginning with openoffive
[04:13] <pimp^air> in its name
[04:13] <nekomancer> Jester45, but you should know things like the beloved YouTube are writen in python
[04:13] <Jester45> idk what is standard
[04:13] <Jester45> i hate youtube
[04:13] <pimp^air> 90MB download
[04:13] <nekomancer> Jester45, and python is what was the suggest language for Ubuntu entries into the Summer Of Code
[04:13] <pimp^air> yeah.... but if queen mum gets raped you can be sure it'll be posted to youtube in no time
[04:13] <Jester45> videos are crappy
[04:14] <pimp^air> and yes, i know she's dead
[04:14] <pimp^air> :)
[04:14] <pimp^air> why isnt there python flash?
[04:14] <pimp^air> phlash
[04:14] <pimp^air> :)
[04:15] <nekomancer> good one pimp^air.
[04:16] <Jester45> i like bash over html :) but thats not hard
[04:17] <pimp^air> i wrote couple of htmls using bash and echo
[04:17] <pimp^air> .)
[04:17] <pimp^air> cgi ftw
[04:17] <pimp^air> no look after a reinstall
[04:17] <nekomancer> html isn't a language.  Well, real language... it simply displays stuff, Jester45
[04:17] <Jester45> my flux doesnt wanna work
[04:17] <Jester45> i dont care
[04:17] <nekomancer> building from source sometimes does that
[04:17] <Jester45> i didnt say anything about a language
[04:18] <nekomancer> if you want to do everything from source, then i suggest gentoo...
[04:18] <kalikiana> nekomancer, I tried the tutorial on ruby's website. I find it unfamiliar but maybe not bad. I didn't look at it further so far.
[04:18] <nekomancer> or sabayon
[04:18] <Jester45> no
[04:18] <Jester45> sabayon is pretty cool
[04:18] <Jester45> only good ting from gentoo, besides the gentoo wiki
[04:19] <Jester45> i wish i could of got my dual heads working
[04:19] <Jester45> then i would have a dedicated irssi screen
[04:20] <nekomancer> kalikiana, i agree that it feels too unfamiliar... esp for something they tote as 'natural''.  but many people swear by it, and it has a similar reputation to python so i was wondering
[04:20] <Jester45> i got bored one day with a dremal and carved a keyboard holder in my desk
[04:20] <pimp^air> see... openoffice just doesn't work
[04:20] <pimp^air> do you have openoffice.org-gcj installed?
[04:21] <Jester45> so the board is level with desk, and well the F buttons made it to big so i removed them also
[04:21] <Jester45> brb last time
[04:21] <nekomancer> sorry, pimp^air, i just installed it with aptitude along with quite a few other things.  i'm using 6.10 tho, thinking about it.  That may be the differance
[04:21] <pimp^air> well, might be
[04:22] <nekomancer> i doubt they would have allowed oo to become broken tho
[04:22] <nekomancer> that would be sad
[04:24] <kalikiana> nekomancer, The 'rails' is pretty popular with some webdesigners indeed. I am happy with python, c and php for everything I need currently, speaking of coding. I suppose future will show if ruby can compete with python.
[04:25] <kalikiana> I'm especially not sure yet if ruby is good for non-web projects.
[04:25] <pimp^air> wow
[04:25] <pimp^air> installing the free crap version of java did the trink
[04:25] <pimp^air> trick
[04:25] <kalikiana> pimp^air, What is 'the free crap version'?
[04:26] <pimp^air> gij-thingy
[04:27] <pimp^air> however at the last step of the wizard i can only select cancel
[04:27] <kalikiana> Ah, ok.
[04:27] <pimp^air> which i read in other bugreports too
[04:27] <kalikiana> I tried some free implementations three weeks ago or so, but I wasn't really pleased with it.
[04:28] <kalikiana> For example one had no security certificate support at all.
[04:28] <kalikiana> Another had a lack of some GUI elements.
[04:29] <pimp^air> some things in ubuntu are just b0rken
[04:31] <pimp^air> i go to bed, n8
[04:33] <BFTD> !!
[04:33] <BFTD> wow...
[04:35] <nekomancer> BFTD, what?
[04:36] <BFTD> oh I found a naturally Linux compatible Media Player
[04:37] <nekomancer> BFTD, which one?
[04:39] <BFTD> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16855609003
[04:40] <Jester45> many are compatible
[04:43] <Jester45> a lot of cheap ones are because all they are are usb thumb drives with a processor and firmware
[04:43] <Jester45> all though that one looks nice
[04:44] <Jester45> does it have sd expansion?
[04:53] <BFTD> Jester45 not that I can see
[04:55] <Jester45> does anyone know if you can umm compond if statements?
[04:55] <Jester45> like
[04:57] <Jester45> if [ "foo" = "bar" ]  then if [ "foo2" = "bar2" ]  then run blah else run blah2
[04:57] <Jester45> so that if the first if is true then the 2nd will check if its true
[04:58] <squirrelpimp> Jester45: in bash?
[04:58] <Jester45> see the problem is im tring to run 1 command at the end of a script but that command needs a few varables
[04:58] <Jester45> yes
[04:59] <Jester45> or... use if inside a command
[04:59] <squirrelpimp> if [ "a" == "b"] ; then if [ "c" == "b" ] ; then command; fi; fi
[04:59] <squirrelpimp> should work
[04:59] <Jester45> what if i branch that off again to
[05:00] <Jester45> if [ "a" == "b"] ; then if [ "c" == "b" ] ; then command; else if [ "d" = "e"] ; then; fi; fi; fi
[05:02] <nekomancer> Jester45, it should be fine.  use it all the time in other languages... never writen a complex bash script tho
[05:02] <Jester45> hehe
[05:02] <Jester45> i will paste what i have of the script
[05:02] <nekomancer> no
[05:02] <Jester45> not here
[05:02] <nekomancer> !pastebin
[05:02] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:02] <Jester45> paste bin
[05:02] <Jester45> yea i know
[05:02] <nekomancer> yep
[05:02] <nekomancer> sorry
[05:02] <nekomancer> you spend enough time here to know that
[05:04] <Jester45> http://pastebin.ca/480152
[05:04] <Jester45> yea
[05:04] <Jester45> plus chanserv whould kick me
[05:04] <Jester45> at the first section i just ask questions about what you want the output to be
[05:05] <Jester45> but im not sure how to get the command to be written
[05:05] <Jester45> the part at the bottom is the base of the command with sections of it needing to be changed depending on the variables
[05:06] <nekomancer> should add HD-DVD encryption support : P
[05:06] <Jester45> nobody i know has hd dvd
[05:07] <Jester45> its manly for my friends
[05:07] <Jester45> i have my own script for me for my settings
[05:07] <Jester45> i told them to try linux and helped them set it up and things like that
[05:08] <Jester45> now some want to do multimedia things and i told them to use mencoder but they dont understand it
[05:08] <Jester45> so im helping
[05:09] <Jester45> i wanted to use bash because i know lots of people have it
[05:09] <Jester45> it probly should be the other shells also
[05:14] <xjkx> how do you use lazarus on xubuntu? i installed "tct" and i got a lazarus binary, but when i run:"Can't open" wtf :o
[05:18] <Jester45> not sure
[05:19] <xjkx> i think thats not lazarus pascal
[05:20] <xjkx> " lazarus tries to revive things that have died and gone into the binary spirit world... deleted files, data in memory, swap, etc."
[05:20] <xjkx> in man lazarus
[05:20] <xjkx> but lazarus ia a pascal graphical thing
[05:20] <Jester45> !lazarus
[05:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lazarus - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:23] <kalikiana> !info lazarus
[05:23] <ubotu> Package lazarus does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[05:28] <maxbeatt> whats goin on
[05:35] <Jester45> nothin
[05:36] <maxbeatt> i'm trying my first install of xubuntu tonight
[05:36] <Jester45> thats great
[05:37] <maxbeatt> i'm pretty excited
[05:37] <maxbeatt> i've read alot about ubuntu but my system is so old i was recommended xubuntu
[05:38] <Jester45> theres nothing wrong with xubuntu its better for older machines, but i like it better than ubuntu
[05:38] <Jester45> i hope you dont have problems
[05:38] <maxbeatt> haha me 2
[05:40] <Jester45> what did the machine have on it
[05:41] <maxbeatt> it's an original Gateway Profile
[05:41] <maxbeatt> AMD-K6 400mhz
[05:41] <maxbeatt> 64mb RAM
[05:41] <maxbeatt> 6gb hd
[05:41] <Jester45> what OS
[05:41] <maxbeatt> i think it's close to 10yrs old
[05:41] <maxbeatt> it was running win98 but not well
[05:42] <Jester45> i think you will like xubuntu, just a tip you might want to look into more ram and try to use the command line if you can
[05:43] <Jester45> my i use amarok for a music player and it uses 50-100mb of ram but i also use mpd and it uses under 2mb
[05:44] <Jester45> hopefully i didnt care you off
[05:44] <Jester45> :)
[05:44] <maxbeatt> na i know it needs more ram
[05:44] <maxbeatt> here's a pic of what i'm workin with
[05:44] <Jester45> you will be fine with gui also
[05:44] <maxbeatt> http://www.k3.dion.ne.jp/~datnio/LOVELOG_IMG/01_AUT_8833.JPG
[05:45] <maxbeatt> all the components are built into the monitor so upgrading hardware is a bitch
[05:45] <Jester45> oo
[05:45] <Jester45> thats kinda nice
[05:45] <maxbeatt> it was fucking awesome 10 yrs ago
[05:45] <Jester45> is it crt ? im guessing yes
[05:45] <maxbeatt> but now you just gotta see what you can do it
[05:45] <maxbeatt> na its lcd
[05:46] <maxbeatt> about 4in deep
[05:46] <Jester45> now thats fancy
[05:46] <Jester45> i would wall mount it
[05:46] <maxbeatt> haha
[05:46] <maxbeatt> i move too much to mount stuff
[05:46] <maxbeatt> a nice flat table does me just fine
[05:46] <Jester45> i see all the boxes in the background
[05:47] <Jester45> i wouldnt mind one of those
[05:47] <Jester45> mount it in a car
[05:47] <maxbeatt> i saw a diy for building a computer into your car
[05:48] <maxbeatt> touch screen, 100gb hd for mp3s, wifi
[05:48] <maxbeatt> didn't read it too close because i was afraid i'd want it too bad
[05:48] <Jester45> theres a linuxdistro for that
[05:48] <Jester45> :)
[05:49] <maxbeatt> there's a tshirt waiting to print
[05:49] <Jester45> i like the 1 point printer
[05:50] <Jester45> just mount a ball point pen and go, then wait a few hours for it to finish a page
[05:50] <Jester45> but... my art class would be much easier
[05:50] <Jester45> copy-paste-print
[05:52] <Jester45> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/08/02/car_whisperer/
[05:52] <maxbeatt> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822709009
[05:53] <Jester45> aaaa a paste war it is
[05:53] <maxbeatt> haha just wait til i find this other bluetooth hack
[05:53] <maxbeatt> video!
[05:53] <Jester45> you know they have 1tb internal drives...
[05:54] <maxbeatt> yea but they dont fit in my macbook ;)
[05:54] <Jester45> add on external usb inclosure + usb wifi
[05:54] <maxbeatt> with that i can swap out all the hdds i can find
[05:54] <maxbeatt> i thought about just getting the enclosure but you get those 250gb hds for like $69 which i thought was a good price
[05:55] <maxbeatt> "bluejacking" -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dltjEnrePxc&eurl=
[05:55] <Jester45> i would get a external usb inclosure.. remove the case and you can swap the drives
[05:56] <maxbeatt> one at a time
[05:56] <maxbeatt> i have that
[05:56] <maxbeatt> but 4 swaps is better than 1
[05:57] <Jester45> i did the reverse on my dvd drive
[05:57] <Jester45> riped the pastic off and bam
[05:57] <Jester45> faster drive + its about 2 inches shorter
[05:58] <Jester45> only usb
[05:58] <Jester45> i woudl get a ethernet one
[05:58] <maxbeatt> ethernet external drive?
[05:58] <Jester45> yea
[05:59] <maxbeatt> nice never heard of those
[05:59] <Jester45> i found one with ether usb and wireless
[05:59] <Jester45> wonder if it could use all 3 at once
[06:01] <Jester45> http://www.nextag.com/ethernet-external-hard-drive/search-html
[06:01] <Jester45> bunches
[06:01] <Jester45> the top one is pretty cheap
[06:02] <maxbeatt> yea i noticed
[06:03] <Jester45> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?A=details&Q=&is=REG&O=productlist&sku=444004
[06:03] <Jester45> hehe its pretty much a computer
[06:03] <Jester45> if its not allready
[06:04] <maxbeatt> 11k? its pretty much a car
[06:05] <Jester45> yea its a computer
[06:05] <Jester45> they dont count
[06:05] <Jester45> 50 lbs
[06:06] <maxbeatt> lol
[06:07] <maxbeatt> hmm i wonder if i can share my macbook's wireless connection thru the ethernet to my gateway's ethernet...
[06:08] <Jester45> xp could.. but the macbook would be able to use the internet
[06:08] <Jester45> its so stupid
[06:08] <Jester45> wouldnt*
[06:08] <maxbeatt> wouldn't?
[06:08] <maxbeatt> hmm that doesn't seem right
[06:08] <Jester45> i did it at my friends
[06:08] <pRrp> recompiling my kernel in xubuntu would free up ram wouldnt it?
[06:09] <Jester45> we had a LAN of a few computer but not all the people had wfi so he sacrificed one of his machines to act like a gateware
[06:10] <Jester45> pRrp: if you compile it with less things than the common kernal
[06:10] <pRrp> yeah.. which is very possible.. i mean xubuntu doesnt compile one during installation does it? doesnt it just use a kernel with basically support for all hardware?
[06:10] <Jester45> pRrp: you might want to try a kernal for your system pre built by ubuntu devs
[06:11] <Jester45> yes, you can apt-get a new kernal thats for your processor
[06:11] <Jester45> if you want to optimize more then you can compile one
[06:11] <maxbeatt> apt-get, eh?
[06:11] <pRrp> how do i do that?  for some reason this is like the easiest distro i've ever installed.. but im not used to it..
[06:11] <Jester45> or any other package manager
[06:11] <pRrp> i compiled kernels in slack and gentoo alot.. no problem
[06:12] <Jester45> maxbeatt: its how you install things apt-get install <packagename>
[06:12] <pRrp> for some reason im afraid of it here.. it's debian style but i havent used debian since like the 90's
[06:12] <Jester45> !kernel
[06:12] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[06:13] <Jester45> see 2nd link
[06:13] <pRrp> cool. thanks.. i'll check it out..
[06:13] <Jester45> no problem
[06:13] <pRrp> modules are generally loaded into ram huh?
[06:13] <Jester45> i dont know
[06:18] <kalikiana> pRrp, How come you're trying xubuntu after slack and gentoo?
[06:18] <Jester45> well night all
[06:18] <pRrp> kalikiana: cuase all i have now is a 550Mhz w/128mb ram
[06:18] <Jester45> i have to wake up in 4 hours :(
[06:18] <pRrp> and i heard it was quick and easy.. which is true.
[06:19] <pRrp> oh it's a laptop too.. with 6gb hd..
[06:19] <kalikiana> pRrp, Yep, if you can live with "unoptimized" binaries it's extremely lazy :P
[06:20] <pRrp> yeah, hell it's better than nothin.. i dont think i could do gentoo on here.. too much compile time and space needed for building shit
[06:20] <Jester45> maybe someone should make a third party repo of optimized packages
[06:21] <pRrp> kalikiana: exactly.. gentoo took me like 20 hours to get setup decent on my old 1.8GHz laptop with 512MB ram.. i cant imagine it on this thing..
[06:21] <maxbeatt> 20hrs?
[06:21] <Jester45> night for real this time
[06:21] <maxbeatt> gnite
[06:21] <pRrp> maxbeatt: compiling everything
[06:21] <maxbeatt> ah
[06:21] <pRrp> gnite jester45
[07:15] <kalikiana> Anyone here using ccache?
[07:37] <deniz_ogu1> Hi dear friendb. xubuntu 7.04 Feisty. My login screen is not viewed as it should be. Blurred and colours are weird. As if there's a resolution problem. My desktop user to look similar before I set it to 1024x768. Now desktop is ok with 1024x768. Depehring on this, I deleted all values more than it, namely 1280x1024 for each colour depth. But login screen is still the same. What can I do?
[07:38] <deniz_ogu1> *user to be= used to be
[07:38] <deniz_ogu1> *depehring: depending
[07:54] <deniz_ogu1> !login
[07:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about login - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:54] <deniz_ogu1> !login screen
[07:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about login screen - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:59] <Myrtti> !gdm
[07:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gdm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:23] <kalikiana> !info gdm | Myrtti
[08:23] <ubotu> myrtti: gdm: GNOME Display Manager. In component main, is optional. Version 2.18.1-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 1771 kB, installed size 13480 kB
[08:23] <Myrtti> kalikiana: thanks. I was trying to give the info to deniz_ogul
[08:23] <kalikiana> :)
[01:07] <billy_> hi.  what's the name of the xubuntu window manager?
[01:07] <Gerro> sup jester
[01:07] <Gerro> xfce is its name
[01:07] <Gerro> hence when you open process manager everything says xfce
[01:08] <aboyousif> billy_, x stands for xfce ..
[01:08] <billy_> i'm attempting to restore the window decorations after a failed compiz experiment.
[01:08] <billy_> in gnome, I just go metacity --replace.  Similar for xfce?
[01:08] <billy_> xfce --replace doesn't help, though.
[01:09] <billy_>  xfce
[01:12] <Gerro> no clue about that billy
[01:40] <kanpachi> hello, i can't print anything from mousepad, though i can print from firefox, can anyone help please?
[04:29] <TheSheep> boje: do you think you could disable this script when you are here?
[04:36] <asmith42a> Is there an app similar to Spiceworks? http://www.spiceworks.com
[04:36] <asmith42a> Mostly I want to inventory.
[04:38] <TheSheep> Spiceworks IT Desktop is the only application that combines Network Inventory, Help Desk, Reporting, Monitoring and Troubleshooting in a single, easy-to-use interface designed for IT teams in small and medium businesses.
[04:38] <TheSheep> they wouldn't lie, would they? ;)
[04:38] <asmith42a> lol
[04:39] <asmith42a> Marketing has their own halo budget.
[04:39] <TheSheep> asmith42a: there are actually lots of snmp tools, but most of them are blocks to build your own custom solutions
[04:39] <h3sp4wn> There is definately something available for Solaris that is like that (Probably commercial though)
[04:39] <h3sp4wn> (I have seen someone running one using Sunray's)
[04:39] <asmith42a> Ah. Thank you.
[04:39] <TheSheep> asmith42a: we use nagios for monitoring, but it's not exactly like that
[04:40] <asmith42a> My main goal is to get device information without having to leave my seat.
[04:40] <asmith42a> And I want to it to export into a simple form.
[04:41] <TheSheep> asmith42a: you can do it with a simple snmp query, although nagios has this automated I think
[04:41] <asmith42a> OK. I'll look into that. Thank you.
[04:42] <makki> hi guys
[04:45] <asmith42a> TheSheep: Nagios is a client. Not quite what I'm after, but thanks.
[04:46] <asmith42a> Anyway, on a similar note, Is there such a thing as a Linux update server that pushes updates onto clients?
[04:47] <TheSheep> asmith42a: you can set up an own deb repositiory and use the normal ubuntu update tools with it
[04:48] <asmith42a> Ah, of course. Thank you.
[04:48] <TheSheep> asmith42a: you can add something to rc.local to make th clinets pull the updates on startup
[04:48] <asmith42a> Awesome.
[04:57] <h3sp4wn> asmith42a: You can pin it to a higher priority than normal (if necessary)
[04:59] <h3sp4wn> (i.e a priority of 1001 would always install your version - giving you time to fix your package in the event of a security update)
[05:24] <W8TAH> someone in another room told me to check into desktop effects (which he said was compiz) but im having a hard time finding it -- can someone point me in the right direction?
[05:26] <TheSheep> !compiz
[05:26] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:26] <W8TAH> excellent
[05:26] <W8TAH> :)
[06:34] <lysergide> Hi , i have weird problem ... so ,
[06:34] <lysergide> Hi , i have weird problem ... so , when i start Deluge or Azureus it loading and then just diying
[06:35] <lysergide> Even doesnt appear at process manager
[06:36] <lysergide> any ideas how i can fix this ?
[06:37] <aboyousif> lysergide, try to start them from terminal and see the error
[06:38] <lysergide> k
[06:39] <lysergide> aboyousif its a bit long error , shoud i paste @ private ?
[06:39] <aboyousif> lysergide, use pastebin.ca
[06:41] <lysergide> http://pastebin.ca/481088
[06:42] <aboyousif> lysergide, do you have python and gtk installed ?
[06:42] <lysergide> aboyousif got python
[06:42] <lysergide> aboyousif gtk not sure
[06:43] <lysergide> aboyousif but deluge was workin fine
[06:43] <aboyousif> lysergide, you should check deluge site to see if you have the requirements
[06:43] <lysergide> aboyousif im starting the pc today , tryin to run deluge and nothing happeninh
[06:43] <lysergide> aboyousif well i have dled till now like 50G with deluge :X
[06:44] <aboyousif> lysergide, you upgraded any thing .. from edgy to feisty ? from python 2.4 to 2.5 ?
[06:45] <lysergide> aboyousif nothing
[06:45] <lysergide> aboyousif yday i shuted down my pc with workin delufe 2day i turn it on , tryin to start deluge and like it loading and then just dyinhg
[06:45] <lysergide> lot misstypes :D
[06:46] <aboyousif> lysergide, i'm not english .. so don't write like this again :D
[06:47] <lysergide> aboyousif sry :X
[06:47] <aboyousif> lysergide, no problem .. i was just kidding with you
[06:47] <lysergide> :D
[06:47] <aboyousif> lysergide, do you have feisty ?
[06:48] <lysergide> aboyousif yep
[06:48] <aboyousif> lysergide, then try to get the new deb file and reinstall it
[06:48] <aboyousif> lysergide, http://download.deluge-torrent.org/ubuntu/feisty/
[06:50] <lysergide> aboyousif k tnx ill try
[06:51] <aboyousif> lysergide, sorry but it seems deluge problem and i don't use it just try reinstalling it and ask in their forum if it is a bug or somewhat ..
[06:51] <lysergide> aboyousif y ill do it later because gf is callin' me atm , tnx for help anyway
[07:17] <He3eK> Hi PPL!
[07:21] <He3eK> Guys I am  a noob in Linux... I need to connect to a WPA network on my xubuntu...
[07:22] <He3eK> how do I enable it? please...
[07:25] <h3sp4wn> have a look at /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz
[07:25] <h3sp4wn> (just README.modes on dapper)
[07:25] <aboyousif> !wpa
[07:25] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:27] <He3eK> Thanks! that's something!!
[07:29] <h3sp4wn> I would avoid network manager if it all possible
[07:30] <He3eK> How do I do it without then? ...as I said I am a noob, need to start somwhere...
[07:30] <h3sp4wn> zless /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz
[07:30] <h3sp4wn> tells you the syntax for /etc/network/interfaces
[07:30] <h3sp4wn> any questions about the doc ask me
[07:31] <He3eK> ok! thanks!!!
[07:31] <He3eK> going to read now...
[07:32] <h3sp4wn> is the wireless card already detected ?
[07:32] <He3eK> Yep
[07:32] <He3eK> I did connect with it at work, but at home I have WPA protected router & that's an issue...
[07:32] <h3sp4wn> know what chipset its using ?
[07:32] <He3eK> Aheros
[07:33] <He3eK> Atheros...
[07:33] <h3sp4wn> what release of xubuntu ?
[07:33] <He3eK> 7.*** downloaded today the latest...
[07:52] <IraqiGeek> hi all
[07:53] <aboyousif> IraqiGeek, hi
[07:53] <IraqiGeek> im trying to install xubuntu 7.04 on an acer c104 tablet pc
[07:53] <Abd> HI Iraqiii geek
[07:53] <aboyousif> !tablet
[07:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tablet - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:53] <IraqiGeek> hi abo yousif and abd
[07:53] <IraqiGeek> ubotu, its just a normal notebook
[07:54] <IraqiGeek> however the cdrom is externa, through firewire
[07:54] <aboyousif> IraqiGeek, ubotu is bot
[07:54] <aboyousif> IraqiGeek, i think c104 is the same as c 100 right ?
[07:54] <IraqiGeek> yyyyyyep
[07:54] <IraqiGeek> it boots the setup alright, but cant detect the drive
[07:55] <aboyousif> IraqiGeek, try normal cdrom on usb and set it to master
[07:55] <IraqiGeek> the drive is connected through firewire
[07:55] <h3sp4wn> !boot floppy
[07:55] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[07:55] <godless> hi
[07:55] <aboyousif> IraqiGeek, i have c100 and i use it like that .. i don't have tablet cd or floppy drive
[07:56] <godless> I'm looking for a good eyedropper util? something to sit in my system tray and copy colour codes off the screen to the clipboard when I'd like?
[07:56] <aboyousif> IraqiGeek, or if you have another pc connected you can set it as http server
[07:56] <IraqiGeek> hmm, ill try usb first
[07:56] <aboyousif> godless, there was a good gnome colorpicker made in python i used it with xfce too
[07:57] <aboyousif> godless, but you need to add a gnome tablet first
[07:57] <aboyousif> godless, sorry s/tablet/applet :)
[07:57] <godless> aboyousif:  what's it called?
[07:58] <godless> Does bluefish have one built in?
[07:58] <godless> seems it should but I can't find it
[07:59] <aboyousif> godless, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=358859
[07:59] <godless> thanks.
[07:59] <aboyousif> godless, you are welcome
[08:00] <aboyousif> IraqiGeek, my only proplem with c100 is the battery .. my batt. is %3 only capacity so i put it always on charger .. and i don't have wireless adapter too i don't know what is the suitable minipci card to it
[08:00] <IraqiGeek> the battery on mine is almost dead too
[08:00] <h3sp4wn> Wistron CM9's are very good wireless mini pci cards
[08:00] <IraqiGeek> as for wifi, any minipci should work
[08:01] <IraqiGeek> mine has some old fart 802.11b card
[08:01] <W8TAH> anyone here running beryl? -- im having some issues and need some help
[08:02] <aboyousif> IraqiGeek, not any .. i asked for acer support and they said only the model came with it works .. i tried some minipcis in market and none worked
[08:02] <aboyousif> IraqiGeek, i think it is intel 802.11b
[08:02] <IraqiGeek> yeah yeah yeah, u know how those manufacturers like to make things sound complicated
[08:02] <godless> W8TAH:  I'm running beryl on one box but I'm no expert... try #beryl...
[08:03] <godless> W8TAH:  Although I will help if I can :)
[08:03] <h3sp4wn> You can usually get round any silly vendor limitations like that
[08:03] <IraqiGeek> i've taken mine apart more times than i care to count, and its just a normal mini-pci card
[08:03] <W8TAH> godless -- ok - -well -- im running feisty and xfce --- ive gotten xgl installed
[08:03] <W8TAH> and started
[08:03] <IraqiGeek> aboyousif, no its not an intel, i dont recall wat it is, and im not in windows so cant check
[08:04] <godless> W8TAH:  First, what is your video card?
[08:04] <W8TAH> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10]
[08:04] <W8TAH> direct from lspci
[08:04] <godless> similar to mine. (radeon 9600 pro)
[08:04] <W8TAH> ok
[08:04] <godless> What driver are you using?
[08:05] <W8TAH> xgl
[08:05] <aboyousif> IraqiGeek, i think you can check it after you install linux ..
[08:05] <IraqiGeek> i recall there were plenty of places online that stated it
[08:07] <godless> W8TAH:  Did you follow the guide @ http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_install_Beryl_.28ATI.29
[08:07] <godless> ?
[08:07] <godless> You should be able to use aiglx
[08:08] <godless> I had to set some things differently than that howto says, but.
[08:08] <W8TAH> humm -- i thought i did
[08:08] <W8TAH> lemme go back and go over it again
[08:08] <godless> OK, I'm getting ahead of myself.. what exactly is the problem? :)
[08:09] <W8TAH> lots of proc use, and lots of errors in xsessions-errors
[08:10] <h3sp4wn> I would avoid Xgl if you possibly can
[08:11] <W8TAH> ok
[08:11] <aboyousif> IraqiGeek, you still in iraq ?
[08:11] <IraqiGeek> aboyousef, nope
[08:11] <aboyousif> IraqiGeek, from where in iraq ?
[08:12] <IraqiGeek> baghdad
[08:12] <godless> W8TAH:  Add these to your xorg.conf under Section "Device": http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20219/
[08:12] <godless> (with thanks to h3sp4wn)
[08:12] <IraqiGeek> how do i tell the xubuntu installer to install over ftp?
[08:12] <aboyousif> IraqiGeek, a7san nass :)
[08:12] <godless> I haven't tweeked it fully but it works for me and should work for you
[08:12] <aboyousif> IraqiGeek, you need to get the alternate cd i think
[08:13] <IraqiGeek> aboyousef, inta il a7san
[08:13] <aboyousif> IraqiGeek, is usb didn't work for you ?
[08:13] <IraqiGeek> couldnt find how to tell it to use usb
[08:13] <aboyousif> IraqiGeek, you should boot from cd
[08:13] <IraqiGeek> i quickly setup a local ftp server on another machine, courtesy of filezilla
[08:14] <IraqiGeek> aboyousef, i am booting from the cd
[08:14] <IraqiGeek> aboyousef, mneen?
[08:14] <aboyousif> IraqiGeek, masr :)
[08:14] <IraqiGeek> aboyousef, agda3 naas
[08:14] <godless> W8TAH:  Reboot and see what's up. My settings under the Beryl Jewel advanced menu are all auto except force aiglx...
[08:15] <W8TAH> ok -
[08:15] <godless> W8TAH:  Worth noting that I am using the open source radeon driver
[08:15] <W8TAH> ok - also - thank you
[08:15] <aboyousif> IraqiGeek, teslam .. i think we should stop talking in this language here .. people may thin us nuts in english :)
[08:15] <godless> if you have switched to fglrx (or whatever the closed source ati drivers are) than this may be of no use
[08:15] <IraqiGeek> aboyousef, lol!
[08:18] <IraqiGeek> aboyousef, im already booting the alternate cd
[08:24] <IraqiGeek> can i install xubuntu 7.04 from within 6.06?
[08:28] <Catoptromancy> sure
[08:28] <IraqiGeek> how?
[08:28] <Catoptromancy> if your lucky upadte manager might work
[08:28] <W8TAH> godless -- got it working - thanks for the assist - -i was using the wrong driver
[08:29] <IraqiGeek> well, lets just say that im not lucky
[08:29] <Catoptromancy> I downloaded the alernate CD
[08:29] <Catoptromancy> then type "sudo apt-get update"
[08:29] <IraqiGeek> there is a bash script in the 7.04 cd called cdromupgrade, but its not running, saying permission denied
[08:30] <gnomefreak> IraqiGeek: upgrade to 6.10 than upgrade to 7.04
[08:30] <Catoptromancy> ohh 6.06
[08:30] <IraqiGeek> cato, the alternate cd is already wat i have
[08:30] <gnomefreak> IraqiGeek: you need to run it with sudo.
[08:30] <IraqiGeek> im already logged in as root
[08:30] <gnomefreak> !upgrade > IraqiGeek | IraqiGeek please read the pm from ubotu
[08:30] <gnomefreak> IraqiGeek: i didnt say logged in as root
[08:31] <gnomefreak> IraqiGeek: su and sudo are not the same
[08:31] <IraqiGeek> gnomefreak, ok...
[08:42] <IG> for some reason, the wifi adapter isnt showing (it used to work fine)
[08:42] <IG> and the upgrade script cannot upgrade from 6.06 to 7.04 :(
[08:45] <kalikiana> IG, Please give us more information. What ubuntu version are you using? What kind of upgrade script are you talking about?
[08:45] <h3sp4wn> You cannot skip a release
[08:45] <IG> kalik, i have xubuntu 6.06 installed and im trying to install xubuntu 7.04
[08:46] <IG> btw, im iraqigeek, just got disconnected
[08:47] <IG> the cdrom is external, connected through firewire, and the xubuntu installer isnt detecting it, though its booting from it
[08:48] <aboyousif> IG you can rename your self by using / msg nickserv ghost IragiGeek <password> then /nick
[08:48] <grazie> IG: 6.06 > 6.10 > 7.04
[08:48] <kalikiana> Ah, ok. So what about upgrading to 6.10 first? If you don't want to reinstall there is no other way. Apart from being unsupported skipping versions is fairly dangerous.
[08:48] <IG> well i do want to install, its just that i cant
[08:49] <IG> grazie, so do i
[08:49] <grazie> IG: what's stopping you?
[08:50] <IG> grazie, the xubuntu (alternate cd) installer isnt detecting the cdrom, even though im booting from it
[08:51] <kalikiana> IG, What does 'detect' mean? Mounting?
[08:51] <grazie> IG: network (minimal) install is possible if you've got a good connetion
[08:51] <IG> detect as in the installer saying "cannot detect cdrom drive"
[08:52] <grazie> IG: I've heard at least one other person with the same problem...
[08:54] <IG> grazie, good to know im not alone
[08:56] <IG> anyone has any idea how to work around that?
[08:56] <IG> the firewire controller is listed alright in lspci
[09:02] <godless> W8TAH:  Glad to hear it. Enjoy your hours of pointless noodling before you get exasperated and switch back to xfce or fluxbox :)
[09:03] <godless> good for showing off to friends though
[09:05] <W8TAH> LOL
[09:09] <|Slurp33|> what is nice light weight cd/dvd burning software for xubuntu
[09:10] <jadelrab> |Slurp33|, brasero is good
[09:10] <hyper_ch> xfburn
[09:10] <hyper_ch> intergrated in xubuntu
[09:11] <|Slurp33|> completely missed that
[09:11] <|Slurp33|> thanx
[09:19] <grazie> |Slurp33|: xfburn doesn't seem to work for everyone...I like graveman
[09:19] <h3sp4wn> Is xfburn anything other than a gui for the cli tools ?
[09:26] <hyper_ch> h3sp4wn: nah, not really
[09:32] <h3sp4wn> I cannot understand how it could be broken then (either work for noone or everyone)
[10:33] <|Slurp33|> anyone recommend a good way to get xvid to work?
[10:35] <sk__> I would like to remote control the logged in session on my new xubuntu machine.. However, even after quite some googling, I don't know which direction to look in or if it's possible. (VNC like in the "normal" ububtu version would be nice... )
[10:35] <totalwormage> you'll need vino
[10:35] <totalwormage> for as far as i know :]
[10:36] <sk__> thanks - a new word to feed to "the web" ;)
[10:36] <totalwormage> vino-server actually, then you can login to the xubuntu machine with just plain vnc :]
[10:36] <totalwormage> :p
[10:37] <totalwormage> |Slurp33|: have you looked at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats ?
[10:39] <aboyousif> !xvid
[10:39] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:09] <BrendanM> Ok, so I'm trying to run SNES9x (an SNES emu) but in order to do fullscreen mode, it needs access to "/dev/mem" and I can't figure out how to do that. I tried adding my user to the "kmem" group, but that doesn't seem to do it. Any suggestions?
[11:10] <h3sp4wn> ls -l /dev/kvm
[11:10] <h3sp4wn> kmem only has read
[11:10] <mcscruff> lo all, i have a dirty windows box set up but it has become virus/malware/adware city, is there a way t oclean it up from my nix box on my lan?
[11:10] <h3sp4wn> BrendanM: zsnes is alot better emulator anyway
[11:10] <h3sp4wn> but if you are on 64bit you need a chroot
[11:11] <BrendanM> h3sp4wn, I have zsnes too, but for certain games, zsnes screws up the sound
[11:12] <BrendanM> I changed the permissions on "mem" so that the group "kmem" has read+write access, but that still doesn't work
[11:12] <BrendanM> running SNES9x as root does work, btw
[11:13] <h3sp4wn> BrendanM: what version of zsnes ?
[11:13] <h3sp4wn> 1.51 built with libao for sound works great
[11:13] <h3sp4wn> !info zsnes
[11:13] <ubotu> zsnes: Emulator of the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (TM). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.420-2.1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 513 kB, installed size 3232 kB (Only available for i386)
[11:13] <h3sp4wn> that version is ancient
[11:14] <BrendanM> I have 1.51, I got it from www.getdeb.net
[11:15] <BrendanM> I don't know whether it's built with libao
[11:15] <h3sp4wn> ldd `which zsnes` | grep libao
[11:16] <BrendanM> ?
[11:16] <h3sp4wn> no output means its not compiled with it
[11:17] <h3sp4wn> (in which case I don't have much faith in whoever built the packages)
[11:18] <BrendanM> hmm, well, in any case, I guess I'll just run snes9x with sudo. I wish i could figure out what's up with the /dev/mem thing
[11:18] <h3sp4wn> or read about suid
[11:19] <h3sp4wn> but it would be irresponsible to advise making snes9x suid root
[11:20] <W8TAH> how would i go about adding a terminal to the right click menu?
[11:48] <Zoofmu> #xubuntuCould someone help me please, I run Xubuntu, but I got no close/minimize/restor bar.. I removed beryl and restarted X now everything is gone.
[11:49] <Jester45> press alt + F2
[11:49] <Jester45> does it have the normal xfce window or beryls or none
[11:49] <Zoofmu> Jester45 none
[11:49] <Zoofmu> just says run
[11:49] <Jester45> ok in that box type xfwm4 then click run
[11:50] <Zoofmu> Jester45 done, worked perfectluy .)
[11:50] <Zoofmu> thanks Jester45
[11:50] <Jester45> then press alt + f2 again, does it have a border now
[11:50] <Jester45> k
[11:50] <Jester45> no problem
[11:50] <Zoofmu> Jester45  how do I make it default?
[11:50] <Zoofmu> like Xubuntu was from a fresh install, so I dont have to write that all the time
[11:51] <ZER0> sorry to interupt, if im interrupting, but i have a question about installing the javac command
[11:51] <Zoofmu> ZER0  shoot
[11:51] <Jester45> you could make it auto execute command or.. save the session when you log out
[11:51] <ZER0> aight, i installed the java command easy, but i am having trouble installing javac, i installed a file downloaded from sun, jdk6.0.1, and i dont know the commands to link files to the command
[11:51] <Zoofmu> Jester45 how is default, how do I make it default
[11:51] <Jester45> mpc
[11:52] <Jester45> oops
[11:52] <Zoofmu> Jester45 autoexecute command will just lag the system
[11:52] <Zoofmu> Jester45 and I dont like saving sessions
[11:52] <Jester45> umm
[11:52] <ZER0> any help?
[11:53] <Zoofmu> ZER0
[11:53] <Zoofmu> you shouldnt
[11:53] <ZER0> yes
[11:53] <Zoofmu> ZER0 just next time
[11:53] <Jester45> ZER0: so your tring to install java?
[11:53] <Zoofmu> sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jdk
[11:53] <Zoofmu> do that
[11:53] <Zoofmu> Jester45 can you help me?
[11:53] <Jester45> Zoofmu: thats what i want getting to
[11:54] <ZER0> will that sudo apt-get install thingy download the jdk again?
[11:54] <Zoofmu> Jester45  i just told him how to do it ;)
[11:54] <Zoofmu> ZER0  yeah and install it too :)
[11:54] <Jester45> ZER0: do what Zoofmu said sudo apt-get install sun-java<version number>-<type>
?
[11:54] <Zoofmu> there is run time and there is developer
[11:54] <Jester45> yea the jdk jre
[11:54] <Zoofmu> ZER0  JDK or JRE
[11:54] <Zoofmu> Jester45 got ya ;)
[11:55] <ZER0> ok, thanks, ill do that
[11:55] <Zoofmu> ZER0  just type
[11:55] <h3sp4wn> I usually just get bin
[11:55] <Zoofmu> ZER0  sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jdk
[11:55] <ZER0> alright
[11:55] <Zoofmu> ZER0  sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jdk  then sun-java6-jre if u want that too :)
[11:55] <ZER0> alright, thanks
[11:55] <Jester45> and if you want you could get java5
[11:56] <ZER0> ok
[11:56] <ZER0> oh
[11:56] <Jester45> use apt also lets you easly update
[11:56] <ZER0> btw, i was working with automatix earlier, and i wanted to install gdesklets, but it kept freezing... is there gdesklets on apt-get too?
[11:57] <Jester45> !info gdesklets
[11:57] <ubotu> gdesklets: Architecture for desktop applets. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.35.3-4ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 466 kB, installed size 2452 kB
[11:57] <Jester45> yep
[11:57] <ZER0> thanks
[11:57] <ZER0> downloading jdk now
[11:58] <ZER0> thanks alot for the help
[11:58] <ZER0> bye
[11:59] <Jester45> !info toolame
[11:59] <ubotu> toolame: MPEG-1 layer 2 audio encoder. In component universe, is optional. Version 02l-3 (feisty), package size 87 kB, installed size 292 kB
[11:59] <Jester45> !info lame
[11:59] <ubotu> lame: LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.96.1-2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 260 kB, installed size 696 kB
[12:00] <Jester45> anyone know what one is better?
[12:00] <h3sp4wn> they do different things according to the descriptions
[12:01] <h3sp4wn> (or lame might do both)
[12:01] <Jester45> well.. ripperx has toolame and lame as mp3 encoder options
[12:06] <Zoofmu> Does anyone know how to make xfwm4 as standard, I recently removed beryl and now xfwm4 is not there everytime I start Xubuntu
[12:07] <h3sp4wn> Jester45: lame is more well known - What I cannot understand is why toolame is not also in multiverse if they both encode mp3
[12:07] <Jester45> i installed both


[15:13] <airurando>  I can't locate the logs and minutes from last nights meeting at http://www.novarata.net/mootbot/
[15:13] <airurando>  anyone got any ideas?
[15:24] <tdr112> wait a day or so ,
[15:26] <tdr112> if not just take the noramly logs of the channel
[15:27] <tdr112> did you end the meeting ?
[15:27] <tdr112> link.test
[15:27] <tdr112> yep i see you did


[01:45] <waltman> What's the preferred way (if any) to install Docker on 18.04 -- apt install docker.io? snap install docker? Some other way?
[01:51] <waltman> apologies for asking an actual ubuntu question on the channel :)
[02:29] <H8|> waltman: probably the former
[02:29] <H8|> Sticking with the distro package manager is always preferred to using something like snaps (that's probably an opinion, but)
[02:29] <waltman> Turns out they've also got their own repo: https://docs.docker.com/install/linux/docker-ce/ubuntu/#install-using-the-repository
[02:30] <waltman> But I think the docker.io package is sufficient for now.
[02:31] <jthan> There's always udocker
[02:31] <waltman> What's that?
[02:31] <jthan> https://github.com/indigo-dc/udocker
[02:31] <jthan> Depending what you're trying to do with it
[02:31] <jthan> don't need root privs
[02:32] <jthan> it's also easy to just download and quickly build if you're just messing around
[02:32] <jthan> vs. installing at a system level
[02:33] <jthan> I know very little about it except that it exists, so YMMV and I can't speak to its security implications if there are any
[02:33] <waltman> We use docker at work. This week a coworker's doing a series of classes on using it. I think I'm better off using the real deal.
[02:34] <jthan> Oh, well in that case, probably.
[02:34] <waltman> I got the hello-world image to run, and I also built a simple shell.
[02:35] <jthan> I stick to singularity.
[02:36] <waltman> This is a really good time for this talks. I've been working in docker for a couple of months now, and today's session answered a bunch of questions I haven't had a chance to look into.
[02:37] <waltman> I've mostly been using it as a black box.
[02:38] <jthan> it's pretty easy to just do it because it works and not understand anything that's actually going on.
[02:44] <waltman> But it's pretty opaque. I didn't really understand the difference between docker and docker-compose until today!
[09:48] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[15:10] <swift110> hey
[15:32] <msalvatore> hey
[15:53] <waltman> yo
[16:56] <swift110> how are you msalvatore and waltman
[17:01] <msalvatore> I'm just dandy, swift110. How are you?


[06:24] <lordievader> Good mornining
[11:51] <BluesKaj> Greetings folks
[12:06] <paulovap> Hello guys, anyone tried to run qtcreator on 15.04? I download it from qt website but it's always sigsegv on me
[13:27] <ngaio> is anyone here experienced with ubuntu-make?
[14:07] <BluesKaj> ngaio, try #ubuntu-devel
[18:14] <smallfoot-> Will Vivid get kernel 3.19, Wayland 1.7, Xserver 1.17?
[18:16] <BluesKaj> smallfoot-, word has it the 3.19 kernel might be in the works after vivid's official release
[18:17] <smallfoot-> ah, i see
[18:17] <smallfoot-> How about Wayland 1.7 and Xserver 1.17?
[18:35] <soee> smallfoot-: only rumors http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-15-04-to-Launch-with-Linux-Kernel-3-19-Most-Likely-472239.shtml
[18:39] <elfy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting/2015-02-03
[18:39] <smallfoot-> soee, thanks
[18:40] <smallfoot-> elfy, thanks
[20:56] <smallfoot-> will ubuntu vivid upgrade to xserver 1.17?
[22:42] <CarlFK> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing_bugs_when_offline_or_using_a_headless_setup
[22:43] <CarlFK> hmm,.. maybe I see what to do.. never mind.


[00:13] <neon_squirrel> Hey, guys. I'm trying to install lxd on RHEL in an Ubuntu Core VM. I'm running as root, installed lxd via 'snap install lxd',  I've created and added myself to the lxd group, run 'newgrp lxd' and running 'lxd init' still fails. Can anyone help me out?
[00:31] <webberthefrog> Hello, I just started reading about Snap and FlatPak this week. So far Snap seems like it has more capabilities with the same amount of sandbox security possible. On some of my reading, I found a blog post by Mozilla that said they would make Firefox a Snap package later this year. The post was from April 2016. The year is almsot up and no Firefox Snap in sight. So I filed a bug on Mozilla's site to ask for Mozilla to make Firef
[00:35] <webberthefrog> You can vote for Mozilla to support the Snap format for Firefox by searching for "Make Firefox a Snap format download option" https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1326127 The option to vote is next to the "Importance" line of the introduction to the bug
[01:46] <neon_squirrel> So, I just ran 'usermod -G lxd -a [user]' and it tells me group is a read only file system. Any help?
[04:26] <AndChat-393204> Is anyone here running lxd in Ubuntu Core?
[05:50] <newguy> anyone have sucess putting this on  a nextbook 11a android ?
[06:37] <defurbz> ok, so i feel stupid asking but am trying to setup an ubuntu core 16 on raspi3, went through install, it asked me for the email address, then once it restarted the screen is now saying Ubuntu core 16 on <IP_ADDRESS> (ttyl) localhost login:
[06:37] <defurbz> what did i miss?
[06:40] <defurbz> is anyone on here?
[14:48] <topi`> hi, I'm trying to build a custom Ubuntu Core image for my device (Hummingboard) that has no official support. I'm looking at the model assertion json example. It has "authority-id" and "brand-id". What kind of account is this that I need here?
[14:48] <topi`> it seems to be an Ubuntu One account. Can I create custom images without Unbutu One account? Even better, can I setup my own account authority system


[01:46] <kb3llm> hi everyone
[01:47] <kb3llm> i was using ubuntu server, then i tried to install a GUI on it, and had problems, and tried debian. Have even MORE problems, so i'll probably go back to text-only ubuntu server
[01:47] <kb3llm> and i can ssh in
[01:47] <ScottK> That's how it's meant to be used.
[01:48] <kb3llm> i know, but i wanted a GUI..
[01:48] <kb3llm> learned my lesson :)
[01:48] <kb3llm> and i couldn't get xorg.conf to work right on debian for ANYTHING
[01:50] <kb3llm> any way to add more than 6 virtual terminals to ubuntu server?
[01:50] <kb3llm> aside from using screen
[02:13] <leonel> kb3llm:  for a  simple gnome  gui on servers   I install these :
[02:13] <leonel> gnome-panel gdm metacity xserver-xorg firefox xfonts-base firefox-themes-ubuntu gtk2-engines-ubuntulooks ubuntu-artwork gnome-applets   gnome-system-tools nautilus gnome-terminal ubuntu-docs update-manager
[02:15] <kb3llm> and it works without any problems?
[02:16] <leonel> not for me ;)
[02:17] <kb3llm> cool... then i could browse the internet when my mom takes away my mac mini lol... (she leaves the server in my room) i just use it for the fun of it. I HAD 3 sites hosted on it, before all this happened. Now i have the sites, but somehow lost the MYSQL database backups in the process, so i'll have to start fresh on some parts of the sites :(
[02:22] <kb3llm> leonel: what about screen resolution problems?
[02:23] <kb3llm> that was one of my problems with my short time of playing with debian
[02:23] <kb3llm> i was stuck at a max of 800x600
[02:23] <leonel> kb3llm: none   dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver  and you're done
[02:23] <kb3llm> i did that with debian and it didn't help at all.
[02:23] <leonel> what video card you have ?
[02:23] <kb3llm> cirrus something....
[02:23] <kb3llm> its an HP netserver LC3
[02:24] <leonel> and the resolution for that card  and montor what is ?
[02:24] <kb3llm> according to a website: Cirrus Logic CL-GD5446; BIOS 1.33; PCI; 2 MB; 8 MB; Video Resolution SVGA; Video Resolution XGA; SVGA
[02:24] <kb3llm> the max resolution of the monitor is 1680x1050
[02:24] <leonel> but for the  video card to keep with  that resolution need memory
[02:25] <kb3llm> ?
[02:25] <kb3llm> so i cant run that resolution with that card?
[02:25] <leonel> 2 mb 8 mb   it's to low  for  1680 x1050
[02:25] <kb3llm> whats the max i could run then?
[02:25] <leonel> you need to fit those pixels  in memory   and  the max colors  for it
[02:26] <leonel> configure  to use  thousands of colors instead millions  and try 1024
[02:27] <kb3llm> how do i do all that? will you help me, once it finishes installing? (installing the main ubuntu-server right now)
[02:27] <leonel> just
[02:27] <leonel> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:28] <leonel> and  choose  a 1024x768  resolution  with  16bit color
[02:28] <leonel> if it works   do a greater  resolution
[02:28] <kb3llm> any widescreen res.'s that will work on that card?
[02:30] <leonel> don't know but  you have to low video memory to  keep with your monitor resolution
[02:30] <kb3llm> even if i use 16 bit instead of 24?
[02:32] <leonel> yes
[02:32] <kb3llm> if i try will it screw it up, or can i keep trying, until something works?
[02:32] <kb3llm> leonel: any way, after installing all those packages, to make it default boot into TERMINAL and only use X if i call "startx"  ?
[02:34] <leonel> you can try
[02:34] <leonel> for let the server in text mode
[02:34] <leonel> sudo update-rc.d -f  gdm   remove
[02:34] <kb3llm> and that will make it so i have to type startx every bootup?
[02:35] <leonel> kb3llm: yes
[02:36] <leonel> kb3llm: http://www.infohq.com/Computer/notebook-video.htm
[02:37] <leonel> maybe the video memory it's ok but try with lower resolution and 16 bits
[02:40] <kb3llm> whats the default root password?
[02:40] <kb3llm> i didn't get to set it in setup for some reason
[02:42] <leonel> kb3llm: you don't use a root password
[02:42] <leonel> kb3llm: sudo -s
[02:43] <leonel> will let you "AS" root
[02:43] <kb3llm> i got it..   sudo passwd root
[02:43] <kb3llm> lol
[02:43] <leonel> :)
[02:47] <kb3llm> k I'm gonna install those packages now. you sure those are the only ones i need?
[02:49] <kb3llm> curious, what happens if you startx through an ssh connection?
[02:49] <kb3llm> will it try to start in the terminal window?
[02:49] <kb3llm> through ssh
[02:49] <kb3llm> ?
[02:50] <leonel> it will give you error  since  startx need a  TTY  and not a  pts
[02:50] <leonel> if you want  X apps  from your server to your desktop
[02:50] <leonel>
[02:50] <leonel> ssh -X user@server
[02:51] <leonel> then   will forward  all the X11 to your desktop
[02:51] <leonel> and not use startx  just ..
[02:51] <leonel>   firefox
[02:51] <leonel> and you will be using  firefox on your server  with the display on your desktop
[02:52] <kb3llm> what if the desktop is a windows machine? or os x?
[02:52] <leonel> I don't know  windows  or  osx
[02:52] <kb3llm> that'd be sweet. run linux programs on a windows machine thru ssh
[02:53] <leonel> i think you need  a  Xserver on windows  and  maybe  on osx  can  work
[02:53] <leonel> but ..
[02:54] <leonel> with windows  I've tried that  about 15 years ago  with  Xservers  on windows
[02:54] <leonel> yes i'm talking about  windows 95 and  3.11  :)
[02:54] <kb3llm> lol
[02:56] <leonel> and that's the last windows I've used as desktop   i have a XP  but as a simple and plain  enduser there
[02:56] <leonel> and really don't use it
[03:49] <kb3llm> leonel: you here?
[03:49] <kb3llm> need some help with the screen res. thing
[03:51] <leonel> kb3llm: what's up
[03:51] <kb3llm> i tried that reconfig thing, and it didn't help
[03:51] <kb3llm> cant get past 640x480
[03:51] <kb3llm> can you help guide me through the steps?
[03:52] <kb3llm> ill try again.
[03:52] <kb3llm> but 640x480 sucks :)
[03:52] <leonel> did you select  your cirrus  driver  and 16 bit color ?
[03:52] <kb3llm> yup
[03:52] <leonel> try the vesa  driver
[03:52] <kb3llm> k.
[03:53] <kb3llm> will you guide me through it. There are some steps i'm not sure about: do i choose simple advanced or medium, for the display thing?
[03:54] <leonel> go simple
[03:54] <kb3llm> and 20" ? (its a 20 inch monitor, but its widescreen, so, still choose 20?)
[03:54] <leonel> yes
[03:55] <kb3llm> k
[03:57] <kb3llm> what resolutions should i select?
[03:58] <leonel> 1024
[03:59] <kb3llm> too late, i selected a few. should i start over? (640, 800, 1024)
[03:59] <leonel> ok
[03:59] <kb3llm> ?
[03:59] <leonel> it will try
[03:59] <kb3llm> so its fine
[04:00] <kb3llm> and 16 bit?
[04:00] <kb3llm> 8?
[04:00] <leonel> 1024 first and let you with the one than can do that resolution
[04:00] <leonel> 16
[04:00] <kb3llm> so start over, and select 1024
[04:00] <kb3llm> k
[04:00] <kb3llm> if i just close my ssh terminal,, will that kill it and let me start over?
[04:01] <leonel> in teory ..
[04:01] <kb3llm> i'm doing the config over ssh, testing on main monitor, though
[04:01] <kb3llm> its a dual input monitor, that way i dont have to switch back and forth
[04:03] <kb3llm> he he, i put 1024 like you said, and when i started x again, it let me choose 800x600
[04:03] <kb3llm> weird
[04:04] <kb3llm> but a little better...
[04:04] <kb3llm> is that as good as its gonna get, or can it go a little higher?
[04:04] <leonel> doit again   with higher  resolution
[04:04] <leonel> but keep the ones you selected
[04:05] <kb3llm> but why did it let me choose 800, if i selected 1024??
[04:05] <kb3llm> thats weird
[04:05] <kb3llm> i just selected 1024, thtas it
[04:05] <kb3llm> i didnt even select 800...
[04:05] <kb3llm> hmm
[04:05] <leonel> because  with   ctrl alt  +   you can  switch resolutions
[04:05] <leonel> that are configurated
[04:06] <leonel> you can have all the resolutions supported by your card and monitor  and  switch  with  ctl alt  NUM+
[04:07] <kb3llm> oh, so i could have dont ctrl alt + and gone up to 1024?
[04:07] <kb3llm> ?
[04:10] <kb3llm> leonel: ?
[04:10] <kb3llm> leonel: i selected another one, and it didn't do anything. just stayed at 800x600
[04:10] <kb3llm> i wonder if the vid card will only support 800x600 max?
[04:12] <kb3llm> i think 800x600 is the max its gonna give me
 oh, so i could have dont ctrl alt + and gone up to 1024?
[04:27] <leonel>  ?  <-- yes if it's supported and configured
[04:28] <leonel> you can configure  all the options  and the xserver will try all and  give you the higher
[04:29] <kb3llm> so since i chose 1024, and it gave me 800, 800 is the highest....
[04:37] <umop-apisdn> hey, where's my system messages?
[04:37] <umop-apisdn> used to be available on ALT+F12 ?
[04:38] <leonel> ctrl alt f8 ?
[04:41] <umop-apisdn> no dice :P
[05:23] <zylstra555> Good evening: I need to get OpenSSL and Perl on my server. How do I do this?
[05:24] <zylstra555> *specifically to get Webmin working, I should add
[05:27] <zylstra555> In interest of time, Ill try the other channel (just Ubuntu)
[08:46] <kraut> moin
[10:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> other then top, what can i use to get a breakdown of ram/swap usage by application? is there something out of the box?
[10:09] <soren> What do you want to find out, specifically?
[10:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> what is swapping to disc, when i still have ~40mb of ram left.
[10:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> in cache admitedly
[10:16] <soren> If you're getting short on RAM, the kernel will swap out anything that's not locked and is not being actively used.
[10:17] <soren> It could change from one second to the next.
[10:17] <soren> Are you seeing any significant performance problems?
[10:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, i dont think so. i've not run the box enough to know when its running well or not
[10:35] <soren> Kamping_Kaiser: If it's working fine, why bother with this?
[10:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> soren, intrest. a desire to know whats going on
[10:38] <soren> It's hard to determine, really. You can get a reading of how much of a process' ram space is resident, how much is shared, and how much virtual memory it takes up, but turning that into "which processes are swapped out" is not easy.
[10:40] <kraut> anybody knows a tool for linux to stick a process to a  special cpu?
[10:42] <soren> kraut: Yeah, it's known as cpu affinity.
[10:43] <kraut> soren: ah, i think i found it
[10:43] <kraut> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/setting-processor-affinity-certain-task-or-process.html
[10:43] <soren> kraut: You use taskset(1) to fiddle with it.
[10:45] <soren> kraut: You need to remember, though, that you use it to lock a certain process to a specific set of cpu's. If you want to keep everything else off of that same set of cpu's so a process is the only thing running on them, it gets slightly trickier.
[10:45] <kraut> soren: yep, i know. i am trying to tune a python script but the main issue is i/o wait.
[10:45] <soren> kraut: The easiest way would be to set init's cpu affinity from initramfs.
[10:45] <kraut> rrdtool writes its stuff on a nfs-mount and it's to slow to handle this.
[10:52] <soren> And this relates to cpu affinity how?
[11:00] <kraut> threads waiting for i/o
[11:01] <kraut> but it won't change anything as i thought... :/
[11:06] <soren> Threads waiting for I/O are not running, so they're not really on any cpu anyway?
[11:08] <kraut> dunno
[11:08] <kraut> 11:08:12     CPU   %user   %nice    %sys %iowait    %irq   %soft  %steal   %idle    intr/s
[11:08] <kraut> 11:08:17     all    0.30    0.00    1.10   43.80    0.70    4.20    0.00   49.90   3663.60
[11:08] <kraut> 11:08:17       0    0.60    0.00    2.00   87.20    1.40    8.40    0.00    0.40   3541.40
[11:08] <kraut> 11:08:17       1    0.00    0.00    0.20    0.40    0.00    0.00    0.00   99.40    122.40
[11:24] <soren> kraut: Er... Yes?
[11:24] <soren> kraut: One CPU is really busy, another isn't?
[11:25] <soren> kraut: That's not notable by itself. Do you have several cpu bound processes running?
[11:25] <soren> kraut: Or perhaps jus tone?
[11:25] <soren> just one..
[11:26] <kraut> several one, but it's more a nfs-problem. look at the heavy i/o wait
[11:31] <soren> kraut: i/o wait is not heavy.
[11:31] <soren> kraut: by definition.
[11:31] <soren> kraut: It's *waiting*.
[11:41] <dholbach> heya
[11:41] <dholbach> does anybody have the time to dive into bug 139251, bug 134342 and bug 134068?
[11:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 139251 in mediawiki1.10 "package mediawiki1.10 1.10.1-1 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139251
[11:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134342 in ubuntu "[needs packaging]  Themeampache" [Wishlist,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134342
[11:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134068 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  libapache2-mod-bwshare" [Wishlist,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134068
[11:42] <dholbach> dendrobates: ^ :-)
[11:42] <maeth> hi, im trying to install a VPN on my ubuntu server machine, i got DHCP and internet sharing+firewall via firestarter
[11:43] <maeth> i have never succefully installed a VPN before, ive tried on windows XP, it was pretty simple but it doesnt work well....
[11:44] <soren> maeth: Personally, I like openvpn a lot. There are many howtos about it floating around.
[11:46] <soren> Kamping_Kaiser: You're the one who working on the mediawiki bug, right?
[11:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> soren, yes (for values of working)
[11:50] <soren> Kamping_Kaiser: Just removing "set -e" sounds like hiding the symptoms, but not fixing the problem. Do you remember the actual error?
[12:29] <kraut> soren: yep, i know. but in fact the machine is to slow to handle all the rrd-container.
[12:38] <soren> kraut: What if you generate them on a local drive and copy them onto the nfs file system?
[04:25] <_ruben> hmm .. what would be the best fix/workaround for the udev network bug in gutsy?
[04:25] <_ruben> google hasnt been very helpful, yet
[04:33] <lamont> what bug?
[04:38] <_ruben> devices showing up as eth2 and eth3 instead of eth0 and eth1
[04:39] <_ruben> and im having some troubles renaming my interfaces to custom names (having troubles = finding the proper ubuntu way, i do know the suse way)
[04:43] <lamont> _ruben: see /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[04:44] <_ruben> that's the file i'm currently playing with, yet with no success
[04:44] <lamont> what's to play - you put an entry there with the MAC you want and the name you want...
[04:45] <_ruben> play as in finding the proper syntax, i tried several so far, but either they're wrong or dont get picked up by an /etc/init.d/networking restart for some other reason
[04:46] <_ruben> eg: SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="00:18:8b:f7:90:59", NAME="int0"
[04:52] <_ruben> oh well .. enough 'playing' for today, time to go home
[04:53] <soren> Just nuke the current /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[04:54] <soren> reboot and presto!
[04:54] <soren> After that, everything should be fine and stay the same.
[04:54] <soren> The bug only occurs in the installer
[04:54] <_ruben> soren: i replaced the contents with the line above, havent rebooted though, will try tomorow
[04:55] <soren> int0? Is that right?
[04:55] <_ruben> that's what i want it to be
[04:55] <soren> Alright.
[04:55] <_ruben> int/ext/wan/etc
[04:55] <soren> If it finds a nic it doesn't know already, it's added to that file, so the easiest way to add stuff to it, is to remove the file, and reboot.
[04:55] <_ruben> ah ok
[04:55] <soren> ...and use the result as a starting point.
[04:56] <soren> And you need to reboot for any changes in there to take effect.
[04:56] <_ruben> will try that tomorow
[04:56] <_ruben> ok
[04:56] <soren> Well, either that or yank the nic and reinsert it, but if your hardware is not hotpluggable, reboot's the thing.
[04:56] <soren> Alright. Have fun.
[04:57] <_ruben> ic, with suse a network restart is enough. need to get rid of my suse 'tricks' i guess :-)
[04:57] <_ruben> assuming we'd abandon suse that is :)
[04:57] <_ruben> anyways, thanks for the pointers and i'll be back tomorow if i cant get it to work afterall
[04:59] <soren> Alright, see you then.
[05:11] <oly_mk2> if anyone is intrested, i made a video on installing ubuntu server manager on a fresh install of gutsy, from downloading to bringing up the webpage.
[05:12] <oly_mk2> the link to the video is http://www.ubuntusm.org/index.php?Page=Forum_Post&TID=10&TID=10
[05:33] <umop-apisdn> oly_mk2: nice background on the desktop. where'd you get it?
[05:35] <oly_mk2> um, its the gutsy background or one of them
[05:36] <umop-apisdn> ah
[05:36] <umop-apisdn> thanks, i use feisty, myself
[05:36] <umop-apisdn> <-- not an early adopter. still uses 6.06 on his server
[05:37] <oly_mk2> well, i made that video on a test laptop, i am actually doing most development and testing on feisty
[05:37] <oly_mk2> but wanted to know if it worked with gutsy
[05:37] <oly_mk2> not tried dapper though, probably missing some packages, at a guess
[06:01] <nealmcb> oly_mk2: thanks for the video, and usm.
[06:02] <oly_mk2> thats okay :)
[06:02] <nealmcb> the video is hard to see on this screen of mine - especially the browser part - a smaller resolution would help
[06:02] <oly_mk2> still needs a lot of work though, but its starting to come together into something visibly working
[06:02] <nealmcb> always a pity to see all those nasty warning about ssl certs
[06:02] <oly_mk2> you can download it, the quality is much higher then
[06:02] <nealmcb> what was the MAC error - repeated - I couldn't read it
[06:03] <oly_mk2> you can actually read the text then
[06:03] <oly_mk2> in firefox ?
[06:03] <oly_mk2> the ssl warning go away if you install the certificate, and if its generated correctly it helps
[06:04] <oly_mk2> ie the cname conatins the same hostname you access the page with, i will improve that at some point but for now its not that important
[06:04] <nealmcb> of course - I'm just moaning about the whole interconnected frustrated difficult broken world of pki....
[06:05] <oly_mk2> okay
[06:05] <nealmcb> can you contrast usm and ebox?
[06:05] <oly_mk2> nope not tried ebox yet, but i could
[06:06] <oly_mk2> i installed it but did not know what port to access it on instantly so i left it there
[06:06] <oly_mk2> till i can be bothered to try it again
[06:06] <oly_mk2> i am intrested though because might give me ideas / inspiration
[06:07] <nealmcb> I do prefer python :-)
[06:07] <oly_mk2> me to :)
[06:07] <nealmcb> have you tried putting it in a ppa?
[06:07] <oly_mk2> this is my first venture into python,
[06:08] <oly_mk2> i tried making a deb and failed miserably
[06:08] <oly_mk2> getting lots of wierd errors that where meaningless to me,
[06:08] <oly_mk2> i guess with ppa you make the deb and upload it ?
[06:09] <oly_mk2> will probably have another crack at it soon
[06:09] <nealmcb> yeah, after testing builds locally
[06:09] <nealmcb> https://help.launchpad.net/PPA101/20070913
[06:10] <nealmcb> you may still need to be in the launchpad beta testers team
[06:10] <oly_mk2> aha, okay will look into it
[06:10] <nealmcb> downloading didn't help my view of the video - what size screen did you make it on?
[06:10] <oly_mk2> i would like to know how to make debs
[06:10] <oly_mk2> its a widescreen laptop
[06:11] <nealmcb> that's the problem for me - only 1024 across
[06:11] <oly_mk2> 1400x1050
[06:11] <oly_mk2> perhaps i will try making it again, and drop the resolution
[06:11] <oly_mk2> did not really consider that when making it
[06:12] <nealmcb> I recall a good screencaster-maker howto from a while ago, will share it if I find it
[06:12] <oly_mk2> okay,
[06:12] <oly_mk2> what i really want is a good ogg editor :p
[06:12] <oly_mk2> but i am yet to find one
[06:13] <nealmcb> I think there are much better codecs for screencasts, but don't know if there are good free ones yet
[06:14] <oly_mk2> most likely, but i liked the fact i can use cortado and embed on my webpage
[06:14] <nealmcb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreencastTeam/RecordingScreencasts
[06:14] <oly_mk2> instead of using google or youtube video
[06:16] <nealmcb> huh - I don't see the video on the webpage - just the download link
[06:18] <oly_mk2> needs java, and some tweaking i think :p
[06:18] <oly_mk2> i only just added it to the site to allow them to be embeded,
[06:19] <nealmcb> ahh - I always disable java - too big/slow on this machine
[06:19] <nealmcb> pity...
[06:19] <oly_mk2> thats why theres a download link :)
[06:21] <oly_mk2> anyway hometime now
[06:53] <Scunizi> what's the install file name for glibc headers?
[06:54] <ivoks> install file name?
[06:54] <ivoks> name of the package?
[06:55] <ivoks> libc6-dev
[07:16] <Scunizi> ivoks, thanks.  I'm trying to install vmware-tools in xubuntu desktop on Dapper Server. It's reporting an error in locating the correct directory to find the C headers. Using "locate" doesn't seem to help.
[07:17] <ivoks> apt-file would help
[07:17] <ivoks> apt-file search name_of_the_file
[07:17] <Scunizi> ok.. and the file name is libc6-dev?
[07:18] <ivoks> no
[07:18] <ivoks> that's package name
[07:18] <ivoks> file name would be something like /usr/include/termio.h
[07:18] <Scunizi> ok.. I'll give it a shot..
[07:19] <ivoks> just install libc6-dev
[07:19] <ivoks> those are C headers
[07:19] <Scunizi> I did but vmware-tools is looking for the headers in /usr/scr/linux/include and can't find them.  That's why I'm looking for the right location.
[07:20] <Scunizi> shoulda mentioned that first :|
[07:20] <ivoks> that's kernel headers, not C headers
[07:20] <Scunizi> It's specifically asking for the C headers.
[07:21] <ivoks> what kernel do you use?
[07:21] <ivoks> C cause it's a language; it wouldn't ask python for C programs :)
[07:21] <Scunizi> 2.6.15-26 server
[07:22] <ivoks> then install linux-headers-server
[07:22] <Scunizi> k
[07:26] <Scunizi> installed and still getting... "What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] .  It can't find them...
[07:28] <ivoks> location is /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-26-server
[07:28] <ivoks> or, you can make link
[07:28] <ivoks> ln -s /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-26-server /usr/src/linux
[07:29] <Scunizi> it wants me to type in the direct path to them. I tried /usr/src with no success.. and /usr/src/linux .. weird.. I've done this before without these hoops..
[07:32] <ivoks> well, you are doing it wrong
[07:32] <ivoks> create a link
[07:32] <ivoks> and then just leave it as /usr/src/linux/include
[07:33] <Scunizi> ok.. I'll give it a shot.. I appriciate your help.
[07:40] <Scunizi> when I uname -a to discover which kernel I'm using it shows what I previously mentioned.  After installing the headers with the line you gave me, and looking in /usr/src with Thunar it shows header files for xx.xx-29..
[07:40] <Scunizi> Is that normal?
[07:41] <ivoks> you just installed system?
[07:41] <ivoks> and didn't do apt-get dist-upgrade?
[07:42] <Scunizi> I did an update and an upgrade not a dist-upgrade..
[07:43] <Scunizi> Will dist-upgrade attempt to take me beyond Dapper?
[07:43] <ivoks> no
[07:43] <Scunizi> ok.. I"ll do that first..
[07:43] <ivoks> do-release-upgrade does that
[07:44] <Scunizi> It's been a while since I did a fresh install.. still fairly noobish at this and remembering the nuances of install..
[07:45] <Scunizi> you'd figure after a year of practicing I'd remember some of this.. erg.
[07:45] <ivoks> :)
[07:46] <ivoks> just install latest kernel, boot it and then continue installation of vmware tools
[07:46] <Scunizi> will do
[07:54] <Scunizi> Success!  Thanks.. I know it can sometimes be aggravating helping when some of the much needed info to diagnose a problem is eeked out. I know, I occationally help on #ubuntu.  Your patients is appriciated.. :)
[07:55] <ivoks> great... enjoy ;)
[07:55] <Scunizi> you bet!
[08:33] <osmosis> will I be able to upgrade to gutsy final easily when it comes out, from gutsy beta ?
[08:34] <ScottK> Yes.
[08:34] <ScottK> Just do regular updates and when the final is released, you'll have it already.
[09:53] <ScottK> lamont: For a Hardy mail server goal I was thinking amavisd-new in Main as the official way to bolt on crack like clamav or spamassassin might make sense.  Any thoughts?
[09:55] <lamont> haven't used amavisd or clamav.  I have used spamassassin though....
[09:55] <ScottK> How did you integrate it into Postfix?
[09:55] <lamont> I imagine  you and that other guy I know will have very good ideas about what the default MTA install should look like....
[09:56] <ScottK> Right.
[09:56] <lamont> some random howto from the web, which I probably b0rked, since I get occasional complaints about the db lock file not being creatable....
[09:57] <ScottK> You might want to look into amavisd-new and call SA from that.  On postfix-users it seems to be the standard recommendation these days.
[09:57] <lamont> ah, cool
[09:57] <lamont> I assume I can have amavisd-new and not actually check for any viruses?
[09:57] <ScottK> I also just uploaded a new version to Gutsy.
[09:57] <ScottK> Yes.
[09:57] <lamont> if there were windoze boxen, I might care more.
[09:58] <ScottK> Amavisd-new can have either SA, clamav, or neither bolted on.
[09:58] <lamont> nice
[09:59] <ScottK> I'm in the opposite position myself.  I run outbound MTAs and I trust my customers not to spam (long story, but it works for me), but since the almost all run Windows boxen, I pass clamav over everything.
[09:59] <ScottK> Since I just need clamav, I use clamsmtp myself since it's a lighter way to do just clamav.
[09:59] <lamont> ah, ok
[10:00] <lamont> from what I don't know, I might actually understand parts of that long story.  Then again, it's all supposition
[10:00] <ScottK> No, it's probably a different story, but who knows (since you claim you don't).
[10:01] <lamont> I have a long-standing NDA with that other guy.  then again, I also have no need to know other than helping him with racking stuff and answering his BIND questions from time to time
[10:01] <ScottK> In any case I just uploaded a new amavisd-new that's more Ubuntuized.
[10:01] <lamont> nice
[10:02] <lamont> and it's pure assumption on my part that A is related to B at all.
[10:02] <ScottK> Right.  It's not 100% unrelated, but close.
[10:03] <ScottK> I mostly did the upload so that if uname -a isn't a FQDN (which we have bugs aboug), the user gets pointed to the actual correct conf file.
[10:03] <lamont> (no change uploads can be fun when they break... always good to test first)
[10:03] <ScottK> Agreed.
[10:03] <lamont> uname -a almost never gives an FQDN....
[10:03] <lamont> hostname --fqdn, otoh....
[10:05] <ScottK> Right.  Wrong extension.
[10:05] <ScottK> Option, whatever
[10:05] <ScottK> In any case we don't always set it right.
[10:07] <umop-apisdn> can anyone show me a well-commented series of examples for iptables? i need port redirection to specific machines, and a generic nat for non-specific machines.
[10:10] <umop-apisdn> oh, and i have ip aliases on my external nic, eth0, eth0:1, eth0:2, etc. the interface it comes in on determines which internal machine gets the port redirect
[10:12] <umop-apisdn> lamont: thanks, i'll try those
[10:18] <lamont> ScottK: and possibly just unkind mind games on my part to imply that I have any knowledge on whatever subject that is... :)
[10:18] <ScottK> Sure.  No problem.
[10:19] <lamont> :-)  I'll remember to be more kind in the future.
[10:20] <lamont> that whole "approaching good from the other side" thing that Keybuk was accusing me of last night
[10:20] <ScottK> lamont: I used to enjoy the cygwin mailing list whose motto (for those that don't know) is WJM _ We're Just Mean.
[10:21] <lamont> heh
[10:22] <ScottK> The Ubuntu CoC represents an interesting challenge for me.  I've mostly managed to stay on the correct side of it.
[11:42] <pike_> how do i designate a tab key in a sed? like cat /proc/cpuinfo|grep model\ name | sed -e 's/model name        //'
[11:42] <pike_> i can use tr to do it with a \t just wondering
[11:45] <pike_> lol nm


[07:28] <guiverc> https://ubuntubudgie.org/2024/04/ubuntu-budgie-24-04-release-notes/ makes reference to 22.10, probably should be 23.10
[07:30] <fossfreedom_> Cheers ... Will check and amend


[06:20] <tsimonq2> Putting this here for visibility: https://community.ubuntu.com/t/volunteers-wanted-for-desktop-bugs/4469
[06:20] <tsimonq2> I'll probably make a dent in it myself.


[13:29] <hamma> Hello
[13:32] <d4rk-5c0rp> hamma: hi
[13:33] <hamma> I want to ask a question, can someone launch a club of ubuntu-tn in the school ?