[04:04] <jona_> Hi
[02:58] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[04:46] <calc> also notice the channel itself says 16:00 (oops) ;)
[04:47] <Riddell> calc: that comes from friday, nixternal is changing it now
[04:47] <Riddell> err
[04:47] <Riddell> calc: that comes from fridge, nixternal is changing it now
[04:47] <nixternal> it should refresh here shortly
[04:48] <calc> ok
[04:55] <Keybuk> in reality, the times of the meeting are 16:00 Europe/London and 21:00 Europe/London
[04:55] <Keybuk> the UTC gets adjusted depending on the time of year
[04:55] <Keybuk> if it could be entered into a calendar like that, it would work
[04:57] <pitti> #include <hello.h>
[04:59] <bryyce> heya all
[04:59] <asac> HELLO_MAIN(asac, waves)
[04:59] <bdmurray> here
[05:00] <heno> hello
[05:00] <evand> hi
[05:00] <dendrobates> hey all
[05:00] <mathiaz> hello
[05:01] <dholbach> ({#'sprintf, "Hello %s!\n", ({#'call_other, ({#'this_player}), "query_name" }) .... or something :)
[05:01] <Keybuk> sorry about the timezone confusion, everybody
[05:01] <ogra> :)
[05:01] <heno> erm, yeah sorry :-/
[05:02] <BenC> cjwatson: no sign of amit on either irc server...rtg still out of town I suspect, and kyle is en route to google so can't be on
[05:02] <fabbione> db_get random_greeting
[05:02] <fabbione> echo $RET
[05:02] <fabbione> hellp
[05:02] <Keybuk> no sign of mvo?
[05:02] <BenC> you do need help if you quote debconf syntax for psuedo code :)
[05:02] <dholbach> Keybuk: he said he'd be here - I'll call him (maybe still having his birthday cake or something)
[05:03] <dholbach> he might still have thought it'd be one hour later
[05:03] <fabbione> BenC: that would actually work module a template and sourcing debconf library :P
[05:03] <fabbione> BenC: but yes.. i agreee..
[05:03] <Keybuk> yes, I noticed that
[05:03] <Keybuk> I almost added a new section to the agenda
[05:03] <keescook> dholbach: scheme? lisp?
[05:03] <Keybuk> talking of which
[05:03] <dholbach> Keybuk: line is busy - I'll retry
[05:04] <Keybuk> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelTeamMeeting20070614
[05:04] <dholbach> keescook: LPC (I hacked in a MUD ages ago... :-))
[05:05] <cjwatson> sorry I'm late; traffic sucked today
[05:05] <keescook> dholbach: aaah, heh.
[05:06] <calc> heh still showing UTC times
[05:06] <Hobbsee> cjwatson: hah.  you're close enough that you can :)
[05:07] <Keybuk> so, we have new starters today
[05:07] <Keybuk> Amit, who most of you met at UDS, has joined the kernel team (but hasn't turned up to this meeting <g>)
[05:07] <Keybuk> calc: has joined us to maintain OpenOffice.org
[05:08] <Riddell> hi calc!
[05:08] <shawarma> Hi, calc! Welcome to the team!
[05:08] <calc> hello everyone :)
[05:08] <mathiaz> hi calc
[05:08] <asac> welcome calc!
[05:08] <Keybuk> and dendrobates has joined as the Ubuntu Server Technical Lead
[05:08] <seb128> welcome calc
[05:08] <shawarma> dendrobates: hi, boss! Welcome to the team. :)
[05:08] <evand> welcome calc and dendrobates!
[05:09] <mathiaz> welcome dendrobates
[05:09] <asac> hi dendrobates
[05:09] <dholbach> welcome dendrobates and calc :-)
[05:09] <pitti> calc: all the best for OO.o!
[05:09] <seb128> Hi dendrobates
[05:09] <calc> pitti: thx
[05:09] <Keybuk> for those keeping score, that brings the distro team up to 24 people
[05:09] <Keybuk> agoliveira: that's ok, we weren't expecting you anyway
[05:10] <Keybuk> agoliveira: those at conferences are excused if they can't make it ;)
[05:10] <agoliveira> Thanks but I'm actually just wating in the lobby of the hotel so it made sense ;)
[05:10] <Keybuk> 28 if you include mdz, cjwatson, heno and myself
[05:11] <Riddell> I think you four count :)
[05:11] <Keybuk> we still have quite a few more positions open
[05:11] <Keybuk> so expect to grow by at least another 8 before the year is out
[05:12] <iwj> We are *exploding*.
[05:12] <iwj> I'm looking forward to meeting all you new guys in London.
[05:12] <dholbach> yeah, me too :)
[05:12] <Keybuk> Claire has reminded me to nag you all about booking your travel arrangements to London
[05:13] <Keybuk> and once booked, please make sure you put them onto the wiki
[05:13] <Keybuk> and if you have any particular room-mate preference, note that too
[05:14] <cjwatson> we have a very short agenda this week; any more items for it?
[05:14] <cjwatson> (not that I am complaining)
[05:14] <agoliveira> anyone who does not snore and do not smoke is fine to me ;_
[05:14] <ogra> agoliveira, not me then :)
[05:14] <Riddell> no smoking in England by then
[05:14] <cjwatson> agoliveira: smoking indoors will be illegal at that point
[05:14] <BenC> agoliveira: very limiting choices :)
[05:14] <fabbione> i snore like a tractor on steroids
[05:14] <fabbione> BenC: can confirm that
[05:14] <ogra> cjwatson, even outside smokers smell :)
[05:15] <ogra> for people who care at least
[05:15] <cjwatson> iwj: we need to play the distro team game in London; it's been some time
[05:15] <cjwatson> and it's a lot harder now
[05:15] <keescook> cjwatson: "the" distro team game?
[05:15] <fabbione> keescook: you are too new for that :)
[05:16] <cjwatson> that's "name all the members of the distro team. no notes allowed."
[05:16] <fabbione> cjwatson: we did it in Oslo you and I...
[05:16] <keescook> hah
[05:16] <ogra> ouch
[05:16] <shawarma> Ha!
[05:16] <fabbione> cjwatson: including history :)
[05:16] <mvo> hi
[05:16] <iwj> Maybe we should have a field `snores (yes/no)' on the roommate list, to be filled in by the previous roommate :-).
[05:16] <cjwatson> ok, agenda
[05:16] <pitti> ugh, that really becomes tricky now
[05:16] <cjwatson> (keescook) VMWare WS6 license needed
[05:16] <dholbach> hi mvo
[05:16] <bryyce> hehe
[05:16] <ogra> iwj, i usually add it ...
[05:16] <cjwatson> fabbione was chasing that up
[05:16] <cjwatson> fabbione: no word, I gather?
[05:16] <ogra> but then i usually add my data late :)
[05:16] <Keybuk> before we move onto kees agenda
[05:16] <fabbione> keescook: i mailed mdy 3 weeks ago..
[05:16] <Keybuk> one other quick announcement
[05:16] <fabbione> no news yet
[05:16] <Keybuk> HAPPY BIRTHDAY MVO!
[05:16] <fabbione> ehhe
[05:16] <ogra> MVO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:16] <keescook> \o/
[05:16] <bryyce> congrats mvo
[05:17] <iwj> mvo: Happy birthday!
[05:17] <asac> mvo: happy birthday!!
[05:17] <shawarma> Happy birthday, dude!
[05:17] <evand> happy birthday
[05:17] <ogra> haha
[05:17] <fabbione> cjwatson: nope.. i will try bitching^Wasking again tomorrow
[05:17] <mathiaz> happy birthday !
[05:17] <keescook> haha
[05:17] <bdmurray> happy birthday mvo
[05:17] <Hobbsee> hahaha
[05:17] <ogra> MVO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:17] <cjwatson> fabbione: ok, please mail distro-team if you hear anything useful
[05:17] <dholbach> haha :)
[05:17] <Hobbsee> someone paste the backscroll, if mvo_'s actually here...
[05:17] <seb128> mvo_: your ISP is still loving you? ;)
[05:17] <fabbione> cjwatson: will do as soon as i have info
[05:17] <cjwatson> release readiness update
[05:17] <keescook> cjwatson: I didn't intend it to be an agenda item, actually.  BenC, fabbione and mdy are all on it, afaik.  :)
[05:18] <cjwatson> pitti: do you have a convenient link for tribe-2 bugs?
[05:18] <cjwatson> keescook: *nod*
[05:18] <Keybuk> I'll try and mail jp directly
[05:18] <Keybuk> I may have more luck
[05:18] <BenC> cjwatson: I got the licenses this morning from JP, mdy will add them to the wiki
[05:18] <cjwatson> aha, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/tribe-2
[05:18] <mvo_> thanks everybody for the happy birthday wishes!
[05:18] <keescook> BenC: oh, very cool!
[05:18] <pitti> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/tribe-2
[05:18] <shawarma> for now we're supposed to use vmware 5.X, is that it? Becuase I'm too stupid to find a link to that anywhere on VMWare's homepage..
[05:19] <pitti> it would be nice if everyone could take a look and check whether he can grab one of the unassigned ones
[05:19] <fabbione> BenC: mail distro team directly? pointless to bounce trough me agian
[05:19] <keescook> shawarma: I wasn't able to get 5.x working on 2.6.22 so I switched to ws6
[05:19] <BenC> once they are on the wiki, I'll post to distro-team
[05:19] <calc> query cjwatson
[05:19] <Keybuk> BenC: thanks
[05:19] <fabbione> BenC: ok thanks
[05:19] <agoliveira> Can I get one of those too? I'm doing the embedded tests on vmware as well.
[05:19] <calc> Hobbsee: heh
[05:19] <shawarma> keescook: Didn't BenC have a fix for that?
[05:20] <pitti> Hobbsee: so you'll chase people for the copious KDE milestone bugs?
[05:20] <BenC> I have a fix for 2.6.22+ws6, but nothing with 5.x
[05:20] <agoliveira> BenC: Thanks.
[05:20] <BenC> any-any isn't working either
[05:20] <Hobbsee> any kde bugs listed on that tribe 2 list, i'm the contact for, i believe - so if anyone feels like fixing them, it might be worth checking with me if someone's already working on tehm, or has expressed interest in them
[05:20] <shawarma> BenC: Ah, right. My bad.
[05:20] <Hobbsee> pitti: typing, typing.  i'm a slow typer today
[05:20] <cjwatson> Riddell: with regard to that kubuntu-desktop recommends bug
[05:21] <cjwatson> Riddell: the general plan we had for Ubuntu was to identify the stuff that really makes up the important bits of an Ubuntu desktop - stuff like the panel, gnome-session, critical things
[05:21] <pitti> BenC: there are quite a lot of kernel bugs on the tribe-2 list; anything that is particularly hard and probably won't make it for tribe-2?
[05:21] <Hobbsee> cjwatson: right.
[05:21] <cjwatson> but make many of the others Recommends so that they can be swapped out
[05:21] <BenC> pitti: I'll review them today
[05:21] <cjwatson> they will still be installed by default
[05:21] <pitti> BenC: cheers
[05:21] <Hobbsee> cjwatson: that was my view, but Riddell didnt really agree with me.
[05:21] <cjwatson> it's one of the things that comes up in reviews quite a lot - people get confused when they have to remove the metapackages for stuff they should be able to replace
[05:22] <BenC> bug #109320 is actually against evms
[05:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109320 in evms "evms blocks access to disk devices" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109320
[05:22] <iwj> metapackages> If only we had proper implementation of Replaces ...
[05:22] <BenC> Keybuk: did you do that patch and upload yet?
[05:22] <Keybuk> BenC: not yet, see my update ealier
[05:22] <Hobbsee> pitti: i'll be chasing people, yes.
[05:22] <Keybuk> mostly waiting from upstream for comment
[05:22] <iwj> I mean, we could do away with transitional packages.
[05:22] <Keybuk> for comment from upstream
[05:22] <Keybuk> speak like yodo, do I
[05:22] <Riddell> cjwatson: if that's the policy that's fine with me, although there seems to be a higher threshold for critial things than you desribe above
[05:23] <cjwatson> iwj: transitional yes, but I don't think that helps with -desktop
[05:23] <BenC> pitti: they all look doable for tribe-2
[05:23] <iwj> cjwatson: No, indeed.
[05:23] <cjwatson> Riddell: I'm relatively easy about the precise place where the line is drawn
[05:23] <keescook> *head explodey* etoomanyconversations
[05:23] <iwj> cjwatson: Oh, I see what you meant now.  Yes, I agree.
[05:23] <cjwatson> I've taken 120107
[05:24] <cjwatson> Hobbsee: 108870 should be fix-released?
[05:24] <seb128> bug #108870
[05:24] <Hobbsee> bug 108870
[05:24] <bdmurray> Riddell: could you look at bug 119408? it has not been confirmed yet
[05:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 108870 in kubuntu-default-settings "[Feisty regression]  install two or more debian files with right click on them and install doesn't work" [Low,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108870
[05:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119408 in kde-guidance "[gutsy]  kde-guidance power manager causes screen to turn off" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119408
[05:25] <cjwatson> pitti: I'm at debconf next week, so I might have to postpone bug 118744 to tribe-3
[05:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118744 in gfxboot "no gfxboot in gutsy with new syslinux" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118744
[05:25] <Riddell> bdmurray: 108870 should go away with gdebi-kde
[05:25] <Hobbsee> cjwatson: yes.  was going to double check it actually *fixed* the bug before i did that, though
[05:25] <pitti> cjwatson: WFM, the current workaround works fine
[05:25] <pitti> cjwatson: it's mainly a reminder to clean it up at some time before beta
[05:25] <Riddell> bdmurray: 119408 I've heard some people say, and the other guidance developers have looked at it, but I'm not sure if we found a reason it affects some people
[05:26] <cjwatson> pitti: yes
[05:26] <bdmurray> Riddell: okay, if you need some testing done let me know
[05:27] <cjwatson> BenC: linux-backports-modules-2.6.22?
[05:27] <BenC> cjwatson: oof, yeah, need to get that out
[05:27] <cjwatson> should be trivial
[05:27] <BenC> empty upload, Just Do It
[05:28] <BenC> get it out with next kernel upload
[05:28] <fabbione> BenC: i need my toys with the next upload please...
[05:28] <cjwatson> ok, I don't think there's much else to discuss here, then
[05:28] <cjwatson> any other business?
[05:28] <BenC> fabbione: I got something you can play with :P
[05:28] <fabbione> BenC: cows?
[05:28] <pitti> I did some anastacia/MIR/cruft cleanup today, will do some more in the future
[05:28] <bdmurray> Hug Day schedule
[05:28] <BenC> fabbione: yes, gfs1/gfs2 will be ready next upload
[05:28] <pitti> s/future/next couple of days/
[05:28] <fabbione> BenC: cool thanks
[05:28] <BenC> fabbione: they sometimes fetch pine cones
[05:29] <fabbione> ROFL
[05:29] <cjwatson> bdmurray: how did the last one go? I didn't see a whole lot in #ubuntu-devel, but perhaps there was more in #ubuntu-bugs
[05:29] <seb128> pitti: I'll give you an hand on that, I did some source NEW, syncs and backports cleaning this week
[05:29] <bryyce> yeah I think most of the action was in #ubuntu-bugs
[05:29] <bdmurray> cjwatson: it went well bryce and kees did a lot of work
[05:29] <Hobbsee> cjwatson: i got the amarok upstream guys helping to triage the amarok bugs :D
[05:29] <pitti> seb128: you rock
[05:29] <cjwatson> Hobbsee: excellent
[05:29] <seb128> pitti: you too ;)
[05:29] <bdmurray> yeah, that was great too
[05:29] <Hobbsee> yep
[05:29] <cjwatson> bdmurray: what would you like the schedule to be?
[05:30] <cjwatson> or are we talking about the developer assignments?
[05:30] <seb128> there was quite some activity in #ubuntu-bugs yesterday
[05:30] <dholbach> seb128 did a lot too and I managed to get a bunch of bugs tagged as 'packaging', 'needs-packaging', 'bitesize' and 'upgrade'
[05:30] <bdmurray> Next one should be the 27th I think so I'm wondering who will be available then
[05:30] <cjwatson> is the rota on the wiki somewhere?
[05:31] <bdmurray> The one after that is a bit odd as 2 weeks would be the distro sprint
[05:31] <fabbione> bdmurray: that might be more fun
[05:31] <fabbione> with all of us in the same room..
[05:31] <bdmurray> cjwatson: do you mean the Hug Day schedule or the volunteers?
[05:31] <cjwatson> bdmurray: the latter
[05:31] <fabbione> we just need to figure who cleans the blood from the walls
[05:31] <bdmurray> fabbione: my concern there would be it would less talking on IRC
[05:32] <bdmurray> cjwatson: no, that isn't in the wiki
[05:32] <fabbione> bdmurray: you would be surprised how 10 nerds in a room spend more time talking on IRC than face to face :)
[05:32] <dholbach> bdmurray: I think everybody of us is geeky enough to talk on IRC even if we are sitting in the same room ;-)
[05:32] <calc> so someone needs to bring duct tape ;)
[05:33] <heno> I don't think there is a rota; we should set one up
[05:33] <cjwatson> I think that would help, so that we can see who's gone before
[05:33] <cjwatson> heno: will you take care of that?
[05:33] <bdmurray> The week before the sprint would be closer to the Tribe 2 release though.
[05:34] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: i'd agree with you @ the less talking on irc - it becomes very much a canonical-only event that wya - or the feeling of it.
[05:35] <heno> sure, anyone esp. interested in joining the next bug day? ...
[05:35] <cjwatson> ACTION: heno to set up skeleton bug day developer rota and mail to distro-team
[05:35] <cjwatson> heno: let's get it up in a form that people can add to it, and we can hassle folks later
[05:35] <heno> right
[05:35] <cjwatson> bdmurray: I'd be happy with the week before the sprint
[05:35] <cjwatson> if you're happy to have bug days in two consecutive weeks
[05:36] <bdmurray> I think that makes more sense than waiting until after Tribe 3
[05:36] <cjwatson> amitk: welcome, although we're just finishing up ;-)
[05:37] <bdmurray> However, there is a US holiday on July 4th which is a Wednesday
[05:37] <amitk> cjwatson: sorry, I lost track of time
[05:37] <agoliveira> Sorry guys, got go. Boss is calling! Bye!
[05:37] <calc> bdmurray: thu should be fine at least for the US
[05:38] <calc> bdmurray: but yea you probably won't find many people in the US online on july 4th ;)
[05:38] <bdmurray> so 6/27 and 7/5 then?
[05:38] <heno> sounds good
[05:38] <bdmurray> and then 7/25
[05:38] <bdmurray> which is after Tribe 3
[05:39] <cjwatson> that works
[05:39] <cjwatson> we should be settling down pretty well with feature development by then
[05:39] <bryyce> one thing that might be worthwhile would be to define a goal, like close 300 bugs (1% of total)
[05:40] <Hobbsee> there was an aim yesterday of dropping it to 30K bugs.  that seemed useful
[05:40] <cjwatson> recent bug days seem to have been trying to tackle particular sets of problems, so goals in line with those would be good
[05:40] <calc> looks like ~ 70 new bugs since the bug day yesterday
[05:40] <heno> right, and other parts of triage than just cosing bugs are important as well
[05:40] <seb128> Hobbsee: did it success to go under the 30k line? ;)
[05:40] <calc> seb128: hit around 30070
[05:42] <calc> http://people.ubuntu-in.org/~carthik/bugstats/
[05:42] <Hobbsee> seb128: i think it was down to 30080.  what calc said.
[05:42] <keescook> I love that our goal is no longer "make bugs reduce in number" but has moved on to "get below some number".  nice work.  :)
[05:42] <Hobbsee> sigh.  and then it went back up again.
[05:42] <heno> so when are we turning apport back on for gutsy?
[05:42] <Hobbsee> what i want to know is where the heck all these bugs are.
[05:42] <seb128> keescook: let's enjoy the week where apport is not running :p
[05:42] <bdmurray> I think a fair number of the new ones were sync requests
[05:42] <keescook> seb128: heheh
[05:42] <heno> that will bring the exponential growth back ...
[05:42] <pitti> I really want to wait until we get the private bug filing
[05:42] <calc> Hobbsee: a huge chunk of bugs are on oo.o
[05:42] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[05:42] <pitti> the fix for that is in review
[05:42] <pitti> also, dup detection is online now, so I hope it won't get that bad
[05:42] <seb128> pitti: there is no hurry
[05:42] <asac> pitti: ETA?
[05:43] <zul> Hobbsee: i think there is over 700 kernel bugs as well
[05:43] <pitti> asac: I don't know, next LP rollout I hope
[05:43] <Hobbsee> ah, fair enough
[05:43] <asac> pitti: i would prefer to get firefox crashes on asap
[05:43] <heno> I wonder if there is an optimal time in the cycle to get crash reports?
[05:43] <pitti> asac: right; but we shuold really stop people from exposing their login credentials etc. to the public
[05:43] <cjwatson> heno: right after finishing whatever feature you've just been working on, IME
[05:43] <shawarma> Hobbsee: Yes.
[05:43] <seb128> Hobbsee: yes, for crashers
[05:43] <Hobbsee> right.
[05:44] <pitti> private bugs -> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CrashReporting please
[05:44] <pitti> Hobbsee: ^
[05:44] <asac> pitti: yes ... but we did that for a long time ... so a week or so won't hurt imo :)
[05:44] <calc> hmm i only see 123 bugs on openoffice.org scribblers page but i am pretty sure there are a lot more than that
[05:44] <asac> pitti: but yes, i agree that private is important
[05:44] <iwj> Has the thing been fixed where you get three mails about every crash ?
[05:44] <iwj> It's really only useful to get at most one.
[05:44] <cjwatson> calc: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org says 491
[05:44] <iwj> Also, TBH I think it would be better not to regard apport crashes as bugs per se.
[05:44] <cjwatson> 6 on -l10n
[05:45] <dholbach> 4 on -amd64
[05:45] <shawarma> iwj: How do you figure that?
[05:45] <pitti> iwj: indeed; there are some plans, if you are interested, let's talk about it in #devel
[05:45] <Hobbsee> pitti: looks sane.
[05:45] <calc> cjwatson: yea i guess just 123 are assigned to the group or something to that effect
[05:46] <iwj> pitti: OK.
[05:46] <asac> pitti: if you talk about that, summon me please :)
[05:46] <calc> there are slightly over 500 bugs for all the openoffice packages scribblers maintains
[05:46] <pitti> asac: noted
[05:46] <iwj> shawarma: I get about one report a month of a crash or other similar malfunction in dpkg and these nowadays almost invariably turn out to be `user has completely broken computer and pureed filesystem'.
[05:47] <pitti> calc: so, good luck with fixing all of them until tribe-2
[05:47] <calc> pitti: lmao
[05:47] <cjwatson> ok, can the rest of this go to #ubuntu-devel?
[05:47] <bdmurray> calc: relatively speaking it isn't that many though
[05:47] <cjwatson> it sounds like we're done here
[05:47] <iwj> dpkg isn't that huge a memory user.  So extrapolating, I imagine that a fair proportion of crash reports in oo.o and firefox and the like are just bad hardware.
[05:48] <shawarma> iwj: Right, but as a general rule, don't you think an apport generated bug report represents an actual bug?
[05:48] <cjwatson> certainly ubiquity bugs are disproportionately bad hardware
[05:48] <iwj> shawarma: In the case of dpkg clearly the answer is no.
[05:48] <cjwatson> although the ones that aren't are significant
[05:48] <calc> bdmurray: yea only about 1.7%
[05:48] <shawarma> iwj: hence "general rule". :)
[05:48] <bdmurray> so Hobbsee asking about where they all are is a good question
[05:48] <bdmurray> or interesting
[05:48] <iwj> `As a general rule, all X are Y'  `No, here is a big subclass of X which are usually not'.
[05:49] <iwj> What you mean is `As a general rule, most X are Y' which may be true but we don't know.
[05:49] <iwj> Anyway.
[05:49] <calc> bdmurray: is there a way to extract a report of bugs per package to get a top offending list?
[05:49] <iwj> Are we planning to have the team dinner on the Friday night or earlier ?  I'm just thinking about people missing flights, you understand :-).
[05:49] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: i'd like to see a https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs for all bugs in ubuntu, but i havent badgered the #launchpad guys as to how feasible it is, and to get an ETA on it.
[05:49] <iwj> (I mean, for the London sprint.)
[05:49] <cjwatson> Keybuk: do you know? I hadn't heard
[05:49] <shawarma> iwj: I did not know that dpkg bugs were really a big subclass of Ubuntu bugs. I would have expected dpkg to have extraordinarily few bugs reported, actually.
[05:50] <Keybuk> cjwatson: Friday, I understand
[05:50] <Keybuk> I don't care, as long as it's not at Pizza Express
[05:50] <Keybuk> ;)
[05:50] <bdmurray> calc: bugnumbers -p --stats I think
[05:50] <bryyce> mmm pizza
[05:50] <keescook> iwj: I'd love the dinner to be Wed or earlier; I'm only there a half week
[05:50] <bryyce> $ bugnumbers -p --stats
[05:50] <bryyce> Package '--stats' not found.
[05:51] <cjwatson> sprint dinner requests -> distro-team
[05:51] <dholbach> bdmurray:  -p openoffice.org ?
[05:51] <calc> ah bughelper
[05:51] <cjwatson> sounds like we're done, then
[05:51] <cjwatson> adjourned
[05:51] <dendrobates> What exactly would be on a British pizza?
[05:51] <dholbach> thanks
[05:51] <bryyce> cya
[05:51] <mvo> thanks
[05:51] <shawarma> iwj: /win 55
[05:51] <shawarma> whoops
[05:51] <evand> thanks
[05:51] <bdmurray> bryyce: it might be in the bzr tree only
[05:51] <Keybuk> shawarma: /lose 60
[05:51] <Riddell> dendrobates: in Edinburgh, deep fried
[05:51] <dendrobates> ha
[05:51] <bdmurray> dholbach: yeah ./bugnumbers -p openoffice.org --stats
[05:51] <Riddell> hope to see lots of people in Edinburgh next week
[05:51] <shawarma> Keybuk: No fair!
[05:52] <dholbach> bugnumbers love for everybody
[05:52] <cjwatson> dendrobates: smog
[05:52] <mathiaz> thks. bye
[05:52] <keescook> bye all
[05:52] <dendrobates> bye
[05:52] <dholbach> bye mvo
[05:53] <pitti> thanks all


[00:15] <AlanBell> czajkowski: I rejoined the other channel
[03:50] <pleia2> k, sent out mail about meeting times
[03:55] <IdleOne> mail received
[03:56] <pleia2> syn
[04:00] <IdleOne> anybody else notice that 8PM is missing on the poll?
[04:00] <pleia2> do you realize how hard 00:00 UTC meetings are?
[04:00] <pleia2> no one knows what day they are on
[04:00] <pleia2> it's really terrible
[04:00] <pleia2> for instance, IdleOne didn't show up for his membership board meeting
[04:00] <IdleOne> lol
[04:00] <pleia2> :)
[04:01] <IdleOne> right, I forgot :P
[04:01] <pleia2> it's sad, since 00:00 UTC is 5PM for me, such *perfect* meeting time for me!
[04:02] <IdleOne> yeah it works out to be a good time for me also
[04:02] <IdleOne> if I can figure out what day it is
[04:02] <pleia2> heheh
[04:03] <IdleOne> so anyway poll filled out by me
[04:03] <pleia2> yay thanks
[04:10] <nhandler> pleia2: You should have changed that time to 23:59 like we did for the RMB
[04:11] <pleia2> nhandler: not actually worth the trouble, I doubt our meeting time will land that late anyway
[04:12] <elky> pleia2, it helps if someone puts out a timeanddate.com link, rather than just a time.
[04:13] <pleia2> elky: not really
[04:13] <pleia2> that RMB meeting we had was very specific, included time and date link, a note that said "this is thursday evening!" and everything
[04:13] <pleia2> still half the potential members got it wrong
[04:13] <elky> :(
[04:13] <elky> Imagine if you /hadn't/
[04:14] <pleia2> I just came to the conclusion that humans are bad at time zones :)
[04:14] <elky> We could just revert to the old way of dealing with time, and update our watches every km east or west we go.
[04:14] <pleia2> lol
[04:15] <elky> Everyone talking exclusively in Local Time; what could possibly go wrong?
[04:15] <pleia2> meetings are better if we show up at different times anyway
[04:16] <elky> Much quicker!
[04:16] <pleia2> I ended up putting 3 time zones in my xfce panel, local, UTC and US Eastern (where my boss is)
[04:17] <elky> Yeah, I have several times in gnome calendar clocky thingie
[04:17] <pleia2> it's easy to *say* my boss is 3 hours ahead, but for some reason simple math frequently fails me
[04:17] <elky> Local, UTC and NZ where the majority of the company is.
[04:17]  * pleia2 nods
[04:18] <elky> Anyway, someone's just brought food smells in and my stomach has convinced itself my throat's been cut.
[04:19]  * pleia2 should figure out about dinner soon
[04:33] <maco> IdleOne: the rmb is now set for 23:59 UTC ;-)
[04:34] <IdleOne> maco: Been there, done that. :)
[04:35] <maco> pleia2: i have 3 too. local, britain, and most-of-europe
[18:35] <pleia2> just a reminder, if anyone has anything to add, please do: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/ReportingPage
[19:02] <czajkowski> lotta folks doing the poll already 12 so far
[19:02] <czajkowski> http://www.doodle.com/pt3c3dwy87rcb53f
[19:02] <czajkowski> pleia2: reports are going to kick ass this month
[19:04] <pleia2> czajkowski: I hope so :)
[20:06] <czajkowski> oh I just ate too much
[20:06] <czajkowski> ugh


[01:00] <vorian> yay, i have power again!
[01:00] <vorian> anything needs doing?
[01:13] <neversfelde> wb vorian
[01:14] <neversfelde> there is a new version of plasmoid-windoslist, but no changes than my patch in there. Should I bump it to 0.4?
[01:16] <vorian> neversfelde: sure, upgrade it \o/
[01:16] <vorian> neversfelde: when you are done, ping me and i'll take a look
[01:16] <neversfelde> vorian: k, will do it. Should be a bug and not on revu, or?
[01:17] <lex79> vorian 0.3 is in queue I suppose...no?
[01:18] <vorian> ah, so it is neversfelde
[01:18] <vorian> erm lex79 :)
[01:18] <JontheEchidna> o/
[01:18] <ghostcube> hello :) who is doing the openoffice 3 ppa repo ?
[01:18] <lex79> JontheEchidna: o/
[01:18] <vorian> neversfelde: sure, report a bug, then when it is released from new, ping someone
[01:18] <neversfelde> k
[01:19] <neversfelde> gn8
[01:21]  * JontheEchidna just finished shunting a crapload of bug reports over at acpi-support
[01:21] <JontheEchidna> marking dupes where possible, of course ;-)
[01:22] <JontheEchidna> apparently hotkeys don't work to well on thinkpads...
[01:23]  * txwikinger wants a working kernel
[01:23] <lex79> JontheEchidna: when build this plasmoid http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=93235&forumpage=0 with pbuilder I have this error: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lkworkspace
[01:23] <lex79> :(
[01:26] <lex79> uhm
[01:26] <lex79> vorian: ?
[01:27] <vorian> hm
[01:27] <lex79> :)
[01:27] <vorian> are you using kdebase-workspace-dev as a build-dep?
[01:27] <JontheEchidna> lex79: strange error
[01:27] <lex79> yes
[01:28]  * JontheEchidna turns off the website preview feature of quassel
[01:28] <lex79> vorian yes
[01:29] <vorian> i saw the first time :)
[01:29] <lex79> vorian: http://paste.ubuntu.com/111923/
[01:33] <JontheEchidna> strange, building it with a good old cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=`kde4-config --prefix` .. worked fine
[01:33] <lex79> JontheEchidna: yes
[01:33] <JontheEchidna> hmmmmm
[01:36] <JontheEchidna> I have no clue what's wrong
[01:38] <vorian> could be an error with CMakeLists
[01:39] <lex79> there is a cmake warning
[01:40] <lex79> No cmake_minimum_required command is present
[01:40] <lex79> cmake_minimum_required(VERSION 2.6)
[01:40] <vorian> right, but it is present :)
[01:40] <vorian> 2.6.2 to be specific
[01:40] <lex79> eheh yes
[01:41] <vorian> lex79: can you paste the CMakeLists.txt please?
[01:41] <txwikinger> what sense does it make to swap stuff out to then cache the swap again?
[01:42]  * txwikinger does not get those kernel devs
[01:42] <lex79> CMakeList.txt is strange LoL
[01:42] <lex79> only
[01:42] <lex79> add_subdirectory(src)
[01:42] <lex79> stop
[01:43] <lex79> ah no...moment
[01:43] <lex79> vorian: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/111924/
[01:46] <lex79> target_link_libraries(plasma_applet_smhi plasma kworkspace ${KDE4_KIO_LIBS})
[01:50] <vorian> no idea
[03:29] <rgreening> Sime_: yay. pyQt built against qt 4.5
[04:06] <jjesse-dell9> question on the lcd    *
[04:06] <jjesse-dell9>
[04:06] <jjesse-dell9>       Wall
[04:06] <jjesse-dell9>     *
[04:06] <jjesse-dell9>
[04:06] <jjesse-dell9>       Info
[04:08] <jjesse-dell9> sorry for all the spam, must have hit paste by mistake
[04:08] <jjesse-dell9> sorry again
[04:13] <jjesse-dell9> !kpackagekit
[04:13] <jjesse-dell9> ! kpackagekit jaunty
[04:13] <jjesse-dell9> !help
[04:14] <jjesse-dell9> !package
[04:14] <jjesse-dell9> !info kpakagekit
[04:14] <jjesse-dell9> !info kpakagekit jaunty
[04:14] <seele> !info kpackagekit
[04:14] <jjesse-dell9> hrmm
[04:14] <seele> !info kpackagekit jaunty
[04:14] <jjesse-dell9> trying to get started on some documentation :)
[04:14] <seele> jjesse-dell9: spelled it wrong :)
[04:14] <jjesse-dell9> ah i was mispelling
[04:14] <jjesse-dell9> its late and im stuck in an airport :)
[04:15] <seele> hehe
[04:16] <jjesse-dell9> seele:  so what brings you to irc at 11pm on a friday night?
[04:21] <jjesse-dell9> ah kde release party
[04:52] <ScottK> seele: I forgot to mention that rickspencer3 was here looking for you after you'd left for the party.
[04:52] <ScottK> Dunno how closely you read scrollback, but he wanted to share something he's started working on: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Usability/DataCrossWalkMethod
[04:57] <rgreening> o/ ScottK
[04:58] <ScottK> rgreening: o/
[04:58] <rgreening> pyQt builds
[04:59] <ScottK> Build Eric and have it work.  Then I'll think you have something.
[04:59] <rgreening> I still have threading issues. Not sure if it's KDE, Qt or pthread
[05:00] <rgreening> I wonder if it requires a rebuild of KDE against Qt4.5. Theoretically it shouldn't... but Im no expert there.
[05:01] <rgreening> ScottK: Is there an easy way to get the kde builds into my PPA to force a rebuild using Qt4.5 in my PPA? or can that be done?
[05:01] <ScottK> You have to reupload.
[05:01] <ScottK> So upload Qt 4.5 and then upload KDE again after.
[05:02] <rgreening> so to upload kde I need the changes file. does that mean I have to regenerate a new diff/dsc via debuild
[05:03] <ScottK> Yes because you need a higher revision number.
[05:03] <rgreening> k. thats what I thought.
[05:04] <ScottK> Riddell: Quassel is seeded and kubuntu-meta updated so it's on the CD...
[05:04] <rgreening> do you think it may be he issue? kreadconfig segfaults as does kstartupconfig4. They both terminate at the same spot.
[05:04] <rgreening> QThreadStorageData::get with a null pointer causing the crash
[05:06] <ScottK> http://ploum.frimouvy.org/?202-the-signals-and-threads-flying-circus is a long way of saying dunno.
[05:06] <rgreening> heh
[05:07] <ScottK> Riddell: quassel-client and quassel-core need to be demoted to Universe.
[05:07] <rgreening> Monty Python is teh shiz
[05:08] <rgreening> I think I'll try rebuilding KDE. nothing to lose
[05:09] <rgreening> ScottK: should I force a Qt4.5.0 min requirement in kdelibs then?
[05:10] <ScottK> rgreening: Just don't upload KDE until after Qt 4.5 binaries are publised and it shouldn't be needed.
[05:10] <rgreening> ok. qt 4.5.0 are published in my PPA
[05:10] <ScottK> We need to do that for the archive because there's so much skew between the different archs.
[05:26] <ScottK> nixternal: Since I know you're just dieing with anticipation to do the release notes for next week's Alpha, the first two items are:
[05:26] <ScottK> 1.  New on CD - Quassel, it's not just for Universe any more.
[05:26] <Hobbsee> \o/
[05:26] <ScottK> 2. Kmail/Akonadi and Amarok are now co-installable.  You don't have to pick.
[05:30] <rgreening> nixternal: we also need a howto for quassel. ScottK neantioned a blog with a mini howto that could be converted :)
[05:30] <ScottK> It was claydoh what did it.
[05:31] <rgreening> cause I need someone/thing to help me switch from Konveration to quassel
[05:31] <rgreening> heh
[05:32] <ScottK> Well I'm working on updating the package right now, so if you run accross anything, let me know.
[05:32] <Hobbsee> rgreening++
[05:32] <rgreening> ScottK: was konversation droped yet from CD
[05:32] <ScottK> Yeah.  Before Alpha 2.
[05:33] <rgreening> ok. and were we able to get a package of K3B yet from Tonio_?
[05:34] <ScottK> Dunno.
[05:35] <ScottK> For the transition stuff I've been concentrating on Quassel.
[05:35] <ScottK> BTW, the Mandriva packager for Quassel approached me on #quassel recently.  I guess they're considering it now too.
[05:35] <rgreening> ok, Tonio_ has k3b package to upload. It's a snapshot bu works. Last I heard he was working on cleaning up the package. We should be able to get it on the cd
[05:35] <rgreening> ScottK: thats cool.
[05:36]  * ScottK gives apachelogger a good hard thump in the back of the head.
[05:36] <ScottK> Hopefully hard enough to produce a quasselcore man page that has actual useful information in it.
[05:36] <rgreening> bwahaha
[05:36] <ScottK> Hopefully that will serve as a bug report.
[05:38] <rgreening> uploading all of kde for rebuild by hand is a pain
[05:43] <rgreening> ScottK: will I need more space allocated to my PPA to rebuild all of kde? If so, who do I ask?
[05:43] <ScottK> #launchpad I guess.  Dunno.
[05:44] <ScottK> Option 2 is make a new team with a PPA, have that depend on your PPA and shove the rest in there.
[05:44] <ScottK> rgreening: ^^
[05:44] <rgreening> true dat. I'll wait and see if I run out of space
[08:29] <apachelogger> ScottK: the manpage is from back in the days when quasselcore aint had no useful stuff to talk about
[08:30] <apachelogger> + I don't really care about manpages if they would duplicate --help anyway :P
[08:32] <apachelogger> ScottK: also about the kdeedu stuff ... while I agree with having desktop files in the same package as their binary, this is not the case for most of core KDE, so in favor of not messing around with everything at this point (which would have to be carried to debian as well) including tryexec as a patch and upstream for 4.2.1 seems like the more efficient solution, since marble is really the only desktop file that suffers from a
[08:32] <apachelogger> ->binary chain
[08:36] <apachelogger> any junior packagers around?
[08:48] <apachelogger> Arby: o/
[08:48] <Arby> apachelogger: morning :)
[08:49] <apachelogger> Arby: you probably want to do some easy packaging, don't you? ;-)
[08:49] <Arby> I might do, although reserve the right to change the definition of easy :)
[08:49] <apachelogger> kde-l10n-{tg,bn_IN,mr,mai,kn} need initial package
[08:50] <apachelogger> it's really just taking some other l10n package, copying the debian dir and ensure all references to the language are changed
[08:50] <Arby> ok I can take a look later on today
[08:50] <apachelogger> ok, thx
[08:50] <Arby> where do the tarballs live?
[08:50] <apachelogger> ftp.kde.org
[08:51] <Arby> fine
[08:51]  * Arby goes looking
[08:51] <apachelogger> pub/stable/4.2....
[08:52] <apachelogger> ryanakca: _I_ did?
[08:52] <Arby> found them I think
[08:52] <Arby> yep got em
[09:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: shouldn't the lang pack installation include downloading kde-l10n-$lang?
[09:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: otherwise one will not have localized data content I think
[10:51] <komuta> hi
[10:52] <Arby> hmm, has anyone had issues trying to run dolphin as root?
[10:52] <Arby> if I run kdesudo dolphin I get this
[10:52] <Arby> http://paste.ubuntu.com/112016/
[10:52] <komuta> does anyone know the package maintainers for kde 4.2 repository ?
[10:52] <Arby> komuta: which repository do you mean?
[10:53] <Arby> our packages are maintained by teams
[10:53] <Arby> what is the actual problem?
[10:54] <komuta> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu intrepid main
[10:54] <komuta> I upgraded to 4.2 final yesterday
[10:54] <komuta> and while trying to install kde-devel, since I need to build the lastest version of ktorrent...
[10:54] <komuta> E: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu/pool/main/p/pcre3/libpcrecpp0_7.8-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb: Size mismatch
[10:55] <Arby> let me check
[10:56] <Hobbsee> Arby: is one better to run jaunty with 4.2, or use intrepid + that ppa?
[10:57] <komuta> jaunty itself is still alpha isn't it ?
[10:57] <Hobbsee> komuta: oh yes
[10:57] <Arby> Hobbsee: not much in it
[10:57]  * Hobbsee is used to running alpha releases, but hasn't run kubuntu for a while.
[10:58] <Arby> I'm still on intrepid but not for kde reasons
[10:58] <Hobbsee> Arby: stuff's going into jaunty first, then getting backported in that ppa, or?
[10:58] <Arby> Hobbsee: yes
[10:58]  * Hobbsee nods
[10:58] <Hobbsee> hmmm...
[10:58] <Arby> komuta: I'm running a test download, give me a few minutes
[10:59] <komuta> thanks
[11:10] <Arby> komuta: seems to be ok here
[11:11] <Arby> are installing from commandline?
[11:11] <komuta> yes, from aptitude
[11:12] <Arby> could you pastebin the terminal output
[11:12] <komuta> apt-get install libpcre3-dev
[11:12] <komuta> Reading package lists... Done
[11:12] <komuta> Building dependency tree
[11:12] <komuta> Reading state information... Done
[11:12] <komuta> The following extra packages will be installed:
[11:13] <komuta>   libpcrecpp0
[11:13] <komuta> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[11:13] <komuta>   libpcre3-dev libpcrecpp0
[11:13] <komuta> 0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[11:13] <komuta> Need to get 355kB of archives.
[11:13] <komuta> After this operation, 848kB of additional disk space will be used.
[11:13] <komuta> Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
[11:13] <komuta> Get:1 http://ppa.launchpad.net intrepid/main libpcrecpp0 7.8-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1 [97.5kB]
[11:13] <komuta> Get:2 http://ppa.launchpad.net intrepid/main libpcre3-dev 7.8-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1 [258kB]
[11:13] <komuta> Fetched 259kB in 3s (85.3kB/s)
[11:13] <komuta> Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu/pool/main/p/pcre3/libpcrecpp0_7.8-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb  Size mismatch
[11:13] <komuta> Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu/pool/main/p/pcre3/libpcre3-dev_7.8-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb  Size mismatch
[11:13] <komuta> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[11:13] <Arby> komuta for future reference, use pastebins
[11:13] <Arby> !pastebin
[11:13] <Arby> :)
[11:13] <komuta> ok, sorry
[11:14] <komuta> by the way, I'm not the only one in this situation
[11:14] <komuta> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3101317.0
[11:14] <komuta> http://forum.kde.org/cant-install-kdelibs5-dev-due-to-size-mismatch-t-29148.html
[11:16] <Arby> ok I was trying to install kde-devel
[11:16] <Arby> just retried with libpcre3-dev
[11:16] <Arby> that also works for me
[11:16] <Arby> I'll have a look at those forum threads and investigate further
[11:16] <Arby> can't do much more right now
[11:16] <komuta> the threads has no more info
[11:17] <komuta> sadly
[11:17] <komuta> just people reporting the problem
[11:17] <Arby> thanks for letting us know
[11:17] <Arby> we'll look into it
[11:18] <komuta> thanks !
[11:18] <stdin> komuta: by the way, are you on i386 or amd64?
[11:18] <komuta> i386
[11:18] <stdin> odd
[11:18] <stdin> very odd
[11:18] <komuta> why is that ?
[11:19] <stdin> because, I don't see why I can download the package but you can't
[11:21] <stdin> the sizes seem to match up here, Size: 97376 Content-Length: 97376
[11:21] <komuta> you mean, donwload it, or install it throuh apt tools ?
[11:21] <stdin> both
[11:21] <komuta> where is stored the size of the file ?
[11:22] <stdin> in the generated Packages.gz and /var/lib/apt/lists/ppa.launchpad.net_kubuntu-experimental_ppa_ubuntu_dists_intrepid_main_binary-i386_Packages
[11:24] <komuta> -rw-r--r-- 1 root   root      97376 2008-12-17 04:03 libpcrecpp0_7.8-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb
[11:24] <komuta> yes, really odd
[11:24] <komuta> same size for me
[11:25] <komuta> I'll try to install it manually
[11:25] <komuta> ok
[11:25] <komuta> no problem installing with dpkg
[11:26] <komuta> so this is a workaround, but it doesn't explain the thing
[11:26] <stdin> only apt uses the Packages files/s
[11:27] <Arby> stdin: is it possible that there's some difference between apt-get and aptitude?
[11:27] <Arby> or is it the same backend
[11:27] <komuta> nop
[11:27] <komuta> apt-get got me the same result
[11:27] <Arby> ok, I was jut speculating
[11:27] <Arby> *just
[11:28] <stdin> Arby: I'm pretty sure they both use libapt
[11:28] <komuta> this is really strange, but the packages are valid
[11:28] <komuta> I'll post the workaround to the forum
[11:28] <komuta> besides
[11:28] <komuta> the files seems quite old
[11:29] <komuta> -rw-r--r-- 1 root   root      97376 2008-12-17 04:03 ../libpcrecpp0_7.8-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb
[11:29] <komuta> -rw-r--r-- 1 root   root<PHONE_NUMBER>-12-17 04:03 ../libpcre3-dev_7.8-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb
[11:31] <komuta> and the http server gives the good size
[11:31] <komuta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/112030/
[11:31] <stdin> komuta: it's in both the -experimental repo and kubuntu-members-kde4, you probably got it from the -kde4 one
[11:32] <stdin> I mean, the timestamp is from the -kde4 one
[11:32] <stdin> (we just copy the packages over)
[11:32] <komuta> Size: 97474
[11:33] <komuta> the -kde4 one also gives a different size
[11:33] <komuta> this may explain the problem
[11:35] <komuta> ok, I think I understand
[11:36] <komuta> both repository have exactly the same version
[11:36] <komuta> Version: 7.8-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1
[11:36] <komuta> but not the same size
[11:36] <komuta> now, the problem is, apt tries downloading a package from a repository, and matches its size to another repository
[11:38] <Arby> sounds like the Packages.gz on kubuntu-members-kde4 might be out of date
[11:38] <Arby> would explain the issue
[11:38] <Arby> not sure how we fix that
[11:41] <stdin> Arby: they were build in -kde4, and copied to -experimental. the .debs should be exactly the same
[11:41]  * stdin changes state to "Confused"
[11:42] <Arby> something, somewhere is out of sync
[11:42] <Arby> I just can't figure out what
[11:43] <komuta> -rw-r--r-- 1 root   root      97376 2008-12-17 04:03 libpcrecpp0_7.8-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb
[11:43] <komuta> -rw-r--r-- 1 root   root      97474 2008-12-11 23:43 libpcrecpp0_7.8-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb.1
[11:44] <komuta> just tried downloading the version from kde4, and I confirm its size
[11:44] <smarter> komuta: tried running aptitude update another time?
[11:44] <komuta> how
[11:44] <komuta> maybe
[11:45] <komuta> I have the warning about the key
[11:45] <komuta> W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net intrepid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public keyis not available: NO_PUBKEY 8AD328D8A58BCAE3
[11:45] <komuta> but I don't know which repository
[11:45] <komuta> since I use many ppa
[11:45] <stdin> that one is for ~rvm
[11:46] <komuta> yes
[11:47] <stdin> somehow the debs in -kde4 gained some bytes
[12:48] <Arby> apachelogger: for these l10n packages, in debian/changelog should version be jaunty or unreleased?
[12:56] <Arby> apachelogger: more questions
[12:56] <Arby> apachelogger: 1) there is a build-dep on debhelper >=5, is that right or are we on >=6 now
[12:57] <Arby> 2) do I need to update the 'this package was debianised by ...' line in debian/copyright?
[14:34] <BillyBop> Hi, I've installed kubuntu 9.04 alpha3
[14:34] <BillyBop> I've a big issue with kd.2e
[14:34] <BillyBop> kde4.2*
[14:35] <BillyBop> the main menu does not shows well, only the black frame is visible
[14:35] <BillyBop> what sould be inside does not show up
[14:35] <BillyBop> so it's pretty unusable
[14:35] <BillyBop> :)
[14:35] <BillyBop> problem of graphic driver?
[14:35] <BillyBop> my card is a nvidia 8800
[14:36] <BillyBop> perhaps I sould disable video acceleration, but my xorg.conf is quite empty, I don't know where all the parameters are...
[14:39] <Arby> apachelogger: I've done those l10n packages, got time to review?
[14:39] <Arby> what files do you need me to put where?
[15:30] <nixternal> jjesse: do you use quassel? if so, fancy doing that how-to rgreening is looking for?
[15:44] <ryanakca> apachelogger: I believe so.
[15:44] <ryanakca> apachelogger: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/jaunty-changes/2008-December/001450.html
[15:55]  * astromme uses quassel
[16:15] <apachelogger> Arby: do you have access to a webserver ... easiest would be to upload dsc, diff, and tar of all the packages
[16:16] <apachelogger> ohhhh
[16:16] <apachelogger> I forgot
[16:16] <apachelogger> Arby: you need to run... make -f debian/rules get-desktop ...before creating the package
[16:16] <apachelogger> otherwise it doesn't contain the desktop files :)
[16:17]  * Arby opens up konsole again
[16:19] <apachelogger> Arby: about those questions: changelog doesn't matter really, but it probably makes sense to delete all entries and make this one the initial one, I didn't do that though ... 1) no, we don't depend on >= 6, not for the l10ns anyway ... 2) if you want, I didn't do it for the last 2 packages  .... in general I would say, the less you change the better it is, since it makes batch editing (which is really the only kind of editing t
[16:19] <apachelogger>  done to kde-l10n) more reliable
[16:20] <Arby> apachelogger: I made a new changelog for all of them
[16:20] <Arby> I'll leave the rest alone
[16:20] <Arby> apachelogger: does this matter?
[16:20] <Arby> svn: URL 'svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/l10n/bn/messages/extragear-utils/desktop_extragear-utils_guidance-power-manager.po' doesn't exist
[16:21] <apachelogger> Arby: no
[16:21] <Arby> good
[16:21]  * Arby debuilds again
[16:21] <apachelogger> ryanakca: from my point of view upstream should add an option for installing the examples
[16:22] <apachelogger> raping them out of the source tree is not as maintainable as it should be
[16:30] <ryanakca> apachelogger: and, how would one go by doing that? Submit a patch for CMakeLists.txt?
[16:31] <apachelogger> aye
[17:03] <ryanakca> Riddell:
[17:04] <ryanakca> Oops, that was supposed to be a /go <nick>.. *kicks tab*.
[17:14] <Arby> apachelogger: everything you need should be here http://drop.io/lo8nkw8
[17:17] <ScottK> apachelogger: About the man pages I generally agree, but for quasselcore, I think it's useful to have a man page with some actual content.
[17:18]  * ScottK is fixing ...
[17:18] <apachelogger> ScottK: depends on the content really ;-)
[17:18] <ScottK> True.  In my case I wanted the core usage info and it wasn't there.  That's what i'm adding.
[17:19] <apachelogger> ScottK: do you have time to review the lang packs arby did?
[17:20] <ScottK> apachelogger: No.
[17:20] <apachelogger> ok
[17:23] <apachelogger> markey: btw, you should checkout choqok
[17:23] <apachelogger> markey: way better than irc twittering :P
[17:25] <neversfelde> and it has support for direct messages now :)
[17:25] <markey> apachelogger: yeah I'm tempted. can it do identica already?
[17:25] <markey> that said, rbot tweeting is perfect for me
[17:26] <smarter> markey: there is identi.ca support
[17:26] <smarter> and kde4.2 notify applet support :]
[17:27] <markey> cool
[17:27] <markey> I know a guy who plans to write a super powerful plasmoid for twitter
[17:27] <markey> that could be cool too
[17:27] <smarter> yup
[17:27] <markey> the existing one is... limited
[17:27] <smarter> bah, Konqueror is saying to me that Ctrl+F shortcut is "ambiguous"
[17:28]  * smarter considers switching to Arora as soon as Qt 4.5 is usable
[17:29] <Sput> yeah that's an old and very annoying konqueror bug :(
[17:30] <smarter> other bugs I'm seeing in Konqueror: sometimes, for no reason, up/down/space/page up/page down/ keys stop working, and I must use the mouse, midly annoying
[17:30] <smarter> but everytime I enter a URL, Konqueror freezes for several seconds, VERY annoying
[17:31] <apachelogger> smarter: I would suppose once 4.5 is in we would switch to kdewebkit
[17:31] <apachelogger> depending on it's quality of course
[17:31] <smarter> arora on the other hand, is blazingly fast to load, even faster than Konqueror with preload enable
[17:31] <smarter> *enabled
[17:31] <Tm_T> smarter: I don't have that slowness, weird
[17:31] <apachelogger> smarter: because it got less bloat :P
[17:31] <smarter> which reminds me that I should update kdewebkit package :P
[17:32] <smarter> which is starting to look creepy too
[17:32] <apachelogger> smarter: and kepas
[17:32] <Tm_T> apachelogger: kdewebkit is not good yet, but hopefully will soon
[17:32] <smarter> there is now 3 libs in it: libkdewebkit, libwebkitkde and libkdenetwork
[17:32] <apachelogger> libkdenetwork? Oo
[17:32] <apachelogger> now that naming is a bit weird I would say :P
[17:32] <smarter> yup
[17:32] <smarter> and putting all of that in the proper binary packages is tricky
[17:33]  * smarter wishes someone would make a KDE integration for Arora, just like Quassel :]
[17:33] <apachelogger> more work it is
[17:33] <rgreening> webkit works better here than khtml. It passes the acid3 test with 100%
[17:33] <apachelogger> +I find arora limited
[17:33] <apachelogger> just like firefox
[17:34] <apachelogger> and arora can't even be addoned
[17:38] <apachelogger> "The only thing PCLinuxOS has going for it, is the plethora of non-Free Software applications they bundle, making the transition from Windows a breeze. Other than that, it’s just a run-of-the-mill-everyday-linux-distro. Nothing special. Certainly nothing on par with Ubuntu. It had its rise to popularity just about half a year ago, but it seems to be slipping, as packages aren’t fully tested, and the common experience overal
[17:38] <apachelogger>  unstable one."
[17:38] <apachelogger> hm
[17:38] <apachelogger> wasn't there like a thread about ubuntu SRU regressions *cough* :P
[17:39] <nixternal> OK, so I have taken some time over the past month, give or take a day, and played with various Audio Players - Amarok, Banshee, Rythmbox, Exaile, and Songbird....the winner is definitely Amarok with either Exaile or Banshee in a DISTANT 2nd
[17:40] <nixternal> I have been using GNOME at work on my workstation because KDE 4 + NVIDIA == suckage...so I played with GNOME audio players...jeesh they aren't that great to be honest
[17:41] <apachelogger> WMP ftw!
[17:41] <a|wen> nixternal: any news in amarok being the best :)
[17:42] <nixternal> it simply amazes me how the amarok people can create such quality with smaller teams than the other players
[17:42] <nixternal> or the lack of corporate backing
[17:43] <a|wen> it is amazing, yes ... you really miss amarok, if you ever have to do without it
[17:43] <nixternal> the amarok internet plugins are<PHONE_NUMBER>0843028403284302840328 times greater than the other player's plugins to boot...which is what I really enjoy
[17:43] <nixternal> I love Last.fm, and Amarok is the only player that works with it perfectly...the rest don't even come close
[17:43] <apachelogger> that however mostly originated through corporate backing (magnatune)
[17:43] <nixternal> with banshee I had to quit out and restart it after it played like 5 Last.fm songs
[17:44] <apachelogger> last.fm is heavily using the last.fm client's code base, last I checked :P
[17:44] <nixternal> Magnatune is far from corporate backing compared to the likes of Novell
[17:44] <apachelogger> nixternal: novell doesn't put resources to efficient use from my POV
[17:45] <nixternal> apachelogger: depends on the project, but i tend to agree with you there
[17:46] <apachelogger> we don't either TBH ... having at least 4 people work on 20 packages for about a week is rather insane
[17:46] <apachelogger> work on kde-l10n is so much more efficient :D
[17:46] <apachelogger> takes me one night of sleep to manipulate ~50 packages ;-)
[18:10] <ghostcube> ScottK, ping
[18:10] <ScottK> Heya ghostcube
[18:10] <ghostcube> hi man, just wanna say the garbage of xorg is gone :)
[18:11] <ScottK> So you like my update then ..
[18:11] <ghostcube> yep
[18:11] <ScottK> ghostcube: Was Kmail one of the problems you were having?
[18:11] <ghostcube> nah iam on thinderbird cause i love the imap settings there more
[18:12] <ghostcube> :)
[18:12] <ScottK> OK.
[18:12]  * ScottK can't remember who was kvetching about kmail.  I need to get them to test the fix.
[18:12] <ghostcube> heh
[18:13] <ghostcube> ah ScottK btw youre update is coooling my card again to 48 degrees as before
[18:14] <ghostcube> with the kubuntu path it qwas permanent on 50
[18:14] <ScottK> It wasn't a Kubuntu decision to put that in there.
[18:14] <ghostcube> yeaj i know i meant ubuntu
[18:14] <ghostcube> lol
[18:14] <ScottK> K.  Just making sure.
[18:15] <ghostcube> sorry :)
[18:16] <ghostcube> now iam waiting for 4.3 to get a deskop independent dashboard hehe
[18:16] <ghostcube> :D
[18:16] <maco> so is this channel also #kubuntu+1 then?
[18:16] <ghostcube> ?
[18:16] <ScottK> I think there's a #kubuntu-kde4 or some such, but I don't know for sure.
[18:17] <ghostcube> nah its just kubuntu afaik now
[18:17] <ghostcube> not splitted anymore
[18:20] <maco> er, wait so for kubuntu/jaunty questions do i ask here or in #kubuntu?
[18:20] <ScottK> maco: If it's a "Hey, how do I do this, ask in #kubuntu".  If it's "Hey, I think something's broken" ask here.
[18:21] <maco> it's hey i think something's broken
[18:21] <ScottK> And if it's a Jaunty question that's not KDE specific, then #ubuntu+1.
[18:21] <ScottK> Then ask away.
[18:22] <maco> in kmail when i try to sign an email, it says bad passphrase, but it never actually asked for a passphrase to begin with
[18:22] <ScottK> Does your gpg.conf have 'use-agent' in it?
[18:23] <maco> nope
[18:23] <ScottK> Needs that.
[18:23] <maco> its possible this is caused by having both ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop, since i used seahorse to setup my keys before i started trying this kde thing
[18:23] <ScottK> I'll have to look at GPG and see if that patch got dropped accidentally.
[18:23] <ScottK> Shouldn't.
[18:24] <maco> what's the kde gpg app called?
[18:24] <ScottK> OTOH, if seahorse is manipulating gpg.conf, that's probably a bad thing.
[18:24] <ScottK> kgpg I think, but I don't use it.
[18:24] <maco> check and see if ive got it installed. i didnt have knetworkmanager installed when i was confused yesterday :P
[18:25] <maco> well gpg.conf is blank save a comment that says # FILE CREATED BY SEAHORSE
[18:25] <ScottK> I'm just out the door, so I'll see about helping out when I get back if no one else can.
[18:25] <maco> ok
[18:25] <ScottK> maco: That's a seahorse bug then.
[18:25] <ScottK> Please file that.
[18:25]  * ScottK runs out.
[18:40] <JontheEchidna> maco: the KDE gpg app is called kgpg
[18:41] <JontheEchidna> in a brilliant stroke of originality :P
[18:41] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: isn't that still kde3 ... or have we got a new version?
[18:41] <JontheEchidna> it's been kde4 since I remember
[18:42] <JontheEchidna> it's part of kdeutils so it's not a universe package or anything
[18:42] <a|wen> oh, cool :)
[18:43] <JontheEchidna> :)
[18:43] <JontheEchidna> that being said it looks like it still has a crystal svg icon, hehe
[18:44] <a|wen> hehe ... so 99% kde4 :P
[18:47] <maco> JontheEchidna: yeah i had a friend going "you couldn't remember knetworkmanager? it's kde we're talking about. just tack on a k to everything!" yesterday
[18:48] <JontheEchidna> except now in KDE4 they're going with the abstract names for stuff
[18:48] <JontheEchidna> "Okteta, Plasma"
[18:48] <JontheEchidna> Okular
[18:49] <JontheEchidna> Dragon Player
[18:51] <a|wen> makes it a pain grepping for kde-related stuff :P
[18:51] <ScottK> maco: That correct gpg.conf file you want can be found at /usr/share/gnupg/options.skel.
[18:52]  * maco looks
[18:52] <ScottK> maco: Just copy that one into your .gnupg dir
[18:52] <ScottK> And, of course, rename it gpg.conf
[18:53] <maco> lots of commented things
[18:53] <ScottK> You shouldn't have to change any of them.
[18:53] <ScottK> We patch that file to set use-agent by default.
[18:54]  * ScottK did just check that hasn't changed.
[18:54] <maco> do i have to log out and back in or something after that?
[18:54] <ScottK> gnupg-agent and some other stuff needs restarted, so that's probably the easiest way to do it.
[18:54] <maco> i installed kgpg and then put "use-agent" into gpg.conf and then tried a test message, but no good
[18:54] <maco> ok
[18:55] <maco> ill try that as soon as i figure out how .po's work
[19:03] <a|wen> maco: there is kbabel in kde, don't know if that is what you are looking for?
[19:03] <maco> a|wen: nah, im trying to update some documentation in gnome and cant figure out which files i have to update and which files will be taken care of by rosetta
[19:04] <a|wen> oh, that sounds a bit out of my reach :)
[19:50] <apachelogger> a|wen: kbabel was replaced by lokalize
[19:50]  * a|wen tries to remember that
[20:02]  * a|wen goes sleeping ... nn ppl
[20:43] <ScottK> Do we have anything written on policy for packaging plasmoids?
[20:43] <ScottK> Debian is apparently starting such a thing and collaboration would be handy.
[20:44] <apachelogger> ScottK: not much policy besides naming
[20:44] <ScottK> That'd be something ....
[20:45] <apachelogger> I think we already discussed that though
[20:45] <apachelogger> worth mentioning anyway I guess :)
[20:46]  * ScottK just did ...
[20:46] <astromme> is there an experimental repo for Qt 4.5 for intrepid or for jaunty?
[20:47]  * ghostcube is dreaming of his independent dashboard lol
[20:47] <apachelogger> astromme: not yet
[20:48] <ghostcube> will qt 4.5 be faster then this one now ?
[20:48] <ghostcube> *a
[20:48] <apachelogger> Qt will be heaven on earth 2009
[20:48] <ghostcube> oO eh ?
[20:48] <astromme>  /lol
[20:48] <astromme> I wouldn't say that..
[20:48] <ScottK> astromme: rgreening is working on packaging it. I think it's in his PPA, but not sure.
[20:48]  * Sput waits for kdm not crashing with qt 4.5
[20:48] <apachelogger> :)
[20:49] <apachelogger> Sput: jr says final is already available in the business partner channel thingy
[20:49] <apachelogger> so I suppose they fixed that
[20:49] <astromme> Mmm, it is in his ppa
[20:49] <Sput> well, I'd rather think KDE needs to fix stuff
[20:49] <astromme> Do I take the plunge? lol.....
[20:49] <Sput> well, I tried a week ago or so, and both kde and kwin crashed with git master of qt
[20:50] <Sput> *kdm
[20:50] <ScottK> astromme: Test results I've heard aren't yet great.  I'd not do it outside a VM.
[20:50] <astromme> ScottK: ok, thanks for the heads up
[20:50] <Sput> qt-copy will go 4.5 soon enough though
[20:50] <Sput> so I'd expect a working KDE roughly around Qt's rc release
[20:50] <Sput> oh, I'm talking kde trunk too, not 4.2
[20:52]  * ScottK thought he'd heard the 'working with 4.2' was a release condition for Qt 4.5.
[20:52] <Sput> maybe, I didn't try :)
[20:52] <Sput> KDE 4.2 never made it to my hdd
[20:52] <Sput> there are people claiming that $SOME_VERSION of KDE works with $SOME_OTHER_VERSION with Qt 4.5 too
[20:52] <ScottK> Mine neither (because it's still 4.1.4)
[20:53] <Sput> mine's already 4.2.61 :)
[20:54] <astromme> Sput: which more or less means it's pretty broken atm.
[20:54]  * apachelogger had .60 but eventually went back to 4.2.0 for distro work :P
[20:54] <Sput> astromme: meh, works well enough for me
[20:54] <Sput> plasma-desktop seems to have stopped freezing randomly on this box
[20:55] <astromme> Sput: Yeah, I understand. I was the crazy guy who transferred over to KDE4 with the last 4.0 beta...
[20:55] <Sput> astromme: yeah I switched to 3.9x as my main desktop roughly a month before 4.0.0 was tagged :D
[20:55] <Sput> talk about bleeding edge
[20:56] <astromme> Sput: no kidding. I then did svnbuild for the next 6 months until 4.1 was enough for me.
[20:57] <Sput> KDE is still moving too fast for me to survive being stuck at a release :D
[20:57] <Sput> don't even have a stable version installed as a fallback
[20:58] <ghostcube> btw it would be cool to initiate the cube in kde4 effects by middlemouse
[20:58] <ghostcube> and ctrl alt mouse1 like in compiz
[20:58] <ghostcube> cause this is better then ctrl f11 and then throw it a bit out of functionality
[20:59] <ghostcube> and the edge actions arent acting well you need to push the edges very often till they act as a trigger
[20:59] <ghostcube> :D
[20:59] <smarter> ghostcube: there's a guy working on the cube atm, asks him, not us :P http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/?p=217
[20:59] <ghostcube> :)
[21:00] <astromme> actually, what I really want is zooming with ctrl+mouse (or meta+mouse or something + mousewheel if conflicts appear) rather than ctrl++/-
[21:03] <ghostcube> ok i postet a comment as it seems iam not the only one missing this feature lol
[21:10] <ScottK> libdrm-dev installability got fixed on the ports archs, so in theory we ought to be able to get stuff built there now.
[21:10] <ScottK> Of course we have to retry our way up to KDE.
[21:10]  * ScottK is starting on PPC and mesa....
[21:12] <smarter> hmm, people on phoronix forum are saying that removing the xserver patch that makes garbage on windows improves performance in KDE4
[21:12] <smarter> (and wondering why ubuntu devs haven't dropped it yet)
[21:13] <apachelogger> smarter: blog please
[21:13] <smarter> http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showpost.php?p=60040&postcount=20
[21:13] <apachelogger> yeah, blog that :P
[21:13] <smarter> I don't have a blog (yet) :]
[21:14]  * ScottK looks at Building amd64 build of kdepimlibs 4:4.1.96-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1 in ubuntu intrepid RELEASE [kubuntu-updates-testing] and wonders why.
[21:14] <apachelogger> smarter: get one ... you gotta do lobbying :)
[21:14] <ScottK> smarter: http://www.kitterman.org/ScottK/2009/01/bug_254468_momentary_video_gar.html
[21:14] <ScottK> smarter: It's dropped in Jaunty.
[21:14] <smarter> yup, seen that
[21:15] <ScottK> So perhaps you can point them there.
[21:15] <smarter> 'kay, I think I've an account on their forum
[21:16]  * ScottK certainly doesn't.
[21:16] <smarter> apachelogger: yup I should get one, like I should do $tons_of_other_stuff, if only I didn't have exams...
[21:16] <apachelogger> excuses
[21:17] <smarter> :p
[21:18]  * smarter feels like high school is a total waste of time
[21:20] <smarter> I think we should ask the X guys to test their changes in all the main DEs, or at the very least, those who are supposed to be supported by Canonical
[21:20] <apachelogger> smarter: that feeling increases every year of your life ... once you are old and wise you will know that life itself is a waste of time keeping you from sleeping ;-)
[21:20] <smarter> haha :p
[21:21] <smarter> righto
[21:21] <astromme> smarter: It wasn't due to the X guys, it was due to a custom Fedora/Ubuntu patch
[21:21] <smarter> astromme: when I mean the X guys, I mean the Ubuntu X guys
[21:21] <smarter> *when I say
[21:21] <apachelogger> astromme: the ubuntu xorg guys
[21:21] <ScottK> smarter: Wouldn't have helped in this case anyway as the patch landed over two years ago and didn't affect KDE3.
[21:21] <apachelogger> smarter: KDE 4 was not in the repos by that time
[21:22] <smarter> they should test kde4 anyway :p
[21:22] <apachelogger> ScottK: though technically I must say that patches should be subject to ongoing QA
[21:22] <apachelogger> especially on X level
[21:22] <ScottK> apachelogger: I agree.
[21:22] <smarter> otherwise we look stupid because we manage to break something that works everywhere else
[21:22] <apachelogger> smarter: we do that all the time :P
[21:23]  * astromme nodes. He didn't get the gist of the conversation
[21:23] <apachelogger> pinotree says so anyway ;-)
[21:23] <ScottK> Well the patch has been dropped now, so now we just need to watch it doesn't get put back.
[21:23]  * smarter remember seeing in some xserver-xorg changelog, "patch bla from Fedora: not sure what it does" :P
[21:23] <apachelogger> ScottK: by lobbying I suggest
[21:23] <apachelogger> which is why I think smarter should get a blog and write about the phoronix forum post ;-)
[21:24] <ScottK> Part of why I put it in the PPA is so that we have a clear basis of user experience that adding that patch is a regression.
[21:24] <ScottK> I already talked to jr about it too.
[21:26] <apachelogger> well, now that the patch was removed ... it would pose a regression anyhow
[21:27] <ScottK> Right, but I can point to users expressing that removal of the patch made a big difference.
[21:27] <ScottK> It's not just a theory.
[21:28] <smarter> 'night
[21:29] <apachelogger> nini smarter
[22:49] <velroij> Hi guys, what about having Quassel IRC as default irc program?
[22:50] <ScottK> velroij: It is.
[22:52] <velroij> ScottK I haven´t been using Jaunty because the hd crashed, and i still need to replace it, so I didnt know off it, I have a nighly build of Quassel now
[22:52] <velroij> I am wesley
[22:52] <ScottK> We have recent git snapshots in Jaunty.
[22:52] <ScottK> I'm working on a new one now in fact.
[22:52] <ScottK> As of yesterday Quassel is part of kubuntu-desktop.
[22:53] <velroij> Oh nice, can there be some default settings? Like that i can connect with ubuntu irc ?
[22:53] <ScottK> Yes.
[22:53] <ScottK> When you first install quassel you just need to right-click on the thing called "Kubuntu IRC" and click connect.
[22:54] <velroij> Thats good, I had to do it myself, but copy everthing from Konversation
[22:55] <ScottK> They will release 0.4 here in about two weeks and we'll get it into Jaunty.
[22:56] <velroij> Thats cool, because Konversation won´t be there till maby 43?
[22:56] <velroij> What about kaffeine ?
[22:56] <velroij> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/multimedia/kaffeine/
[22:57] <ScottK> Kaffeine porting to KDE4 is moving very slowly.
[22:58] <ScottK> We're using Dragonplayer as our default again.
[22:58] <velroij> Dragonplayer is really good, but missing some features, but performances better the VLC
[23:00] <velroij> And I like to see Juk as default audio player, Amarok is still a bit messy, and juk is just simple, pop a playlist, buttons and play your music
[23:01] <ScottK> Amarok is what we're going with for now.
[23:03] <velroij> Oh okay, gues that would be fair indeed, still I like the jukbox juk a better player then Amarok
[23:05] <velroij> I going skip the release party from kde4.2 in nijmegen
[23:31] <Hobbsee> well, i'm very impressed....
[23:31] <Hobbsee> shiny :)
[23:39] <JontheEchidna> :)
[23:40]  * Hobbsee is upgrading it to jaunty for 4.2 goodness.
[23:41] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: feel like a game of uno?
[23:42] <JontheEchidna> jussi01: nope, I haz stuff to do :(
[23:42] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: no probs :D
[23:42] <JontheEchidna> :D
[23:42]  * jussi01 has only slow internetz and its very annoying...
[23:43] <Hobbsee> why hasn't the usplash been changed?
[23:43] <Hobbsee> ubuntu's is much more shiny
[23:47] <JontheEchidna> lack of artwork I guess
[23:47] <Hobbsee> mmm
[23:48] <Hobbsee> guess we're probably going to grub2 anyway, so it's a bit of a moot point


[00:39] <psusi> when using the email interface to update bugs, how do you specify which task you are talking about?  it seems like the interface was written assuming a bug only had one task
[00:39] <wgrant> psusi: See the 'affects' command.
[00:40] <psusi> wgrant, I thought that was for adding a target?  it also modifies which target subsequent commands apply to?  what if you don't use affects?  does it apply them to all targets then?
[00:41] <wgrant> psusi: affects will create a new target or choose an existing one if it already exists.
[00:41] <wgrant> If you don't use affects, it guesses.
[00:41] <wgrant> Badly.
[00:41] <psusi> ahh, I see
[00:42] <psusi> what about when a bug is tracked in multiple distributions?  I'm still kind of fuzzy on the difference between that and milestones
[00:43] <wgrant> Multiple series, you mean?
[00:43] <wgrant> eg. Lucid, Maverick, Natty?
[00:43] <psusi> yea
[00:44] <wgrant> 'affects ubuntu/lucid/dpkg' should work, I think.
[00:44] <psusi> hrm... ok
[00:51] <psusi> does the mail interface support searching for bugs?
[00:51] <psusi> i.e. give me a list of all bugs affecting ubuntu/foo?
[00:53] <wgrant> No.
[01:58] <psusi> so I'm trying to figure out the launchpad python api... I seem to be able to find a bug by number with b = lp.bugs[1], but I can not for the life of me, figure out how to look up bugs by distribution/project
[02:04] <maxb> psusi: You have found https://launchpad.net/+apidoc/, yes?
[02:05] <psusi> maxb, I was reading https://help.launchpad.net/API/launchpadlib, will check that one now
[02:08] <maxb> psusi: I think you want something like lp.projects['launchpad'].searchTasks(importance="Critical")
[02:22] <psusi> maxb, I was just messing with searchTasks... it seems to return all bugs, even fixed ones unless you add status='New'.   can you search for any open status?
[02:22] <wgrant> psusi: The default is to search for only open bugs.
[02:23] <psusi> wgrant, it's returning invalid and fix released bugs too
[02:41] <psusi> ok, so I have a list of bugs ( in python )... I can print their status... now if I want to change their status, how do I do that?  for b in bugs: b.status = 'Invalid'?
[02:41] <psusi> what comment would be used?
[02:43] <wgrant> b.status = 'Invalid'; b.lp_save()
[02:43] <wgrant> Comments aren't associated with changes like that, so you can just add a comment before or after.
[02:44] <psusi> ohh...so how do I add a comment?  and I guess both comment and status change are written when I call lp_save()?
[02:48] <wgrant> psusi: Call newMessage on the bug (*not* the bug_task).
[02:48] <wgrant> Attributes are only saved when you call lp_save(), but methods are executed immediately.
[02:50] <achiang> what are the short URLs for LP?
[02:51] <wgrant> Short URLs?
[02:51] <achiang> don't we have a shortening service, like bit.ly?
[02:51] <achiang> istr something like that...
[02:51] <wgrant> pad.lv?
[02:51] <achiang> ah, yes, that is
[02:51] <achiang> that's it
[02:52] <psusi> wgrant, why does help(bugs[0]) not list newMessage()?
[02:52] <wgrant> psusi: Did you get that bugs collection from searchTasks?
[02:52] <psusi> wgrant, yep
[02:53] <spiv> I emailed a review to https://code.launchpad.net/~gz/bzr/smarter_smart_error_reporting_722416_B/+merge/51666 over 20 minutes ago and it still hasn't appeared.
[02:53] <wgrant> psusi: If you check the docs, you'll see that searchTasks returns a collection of bug_tasks, not bugs.
[02:53] <wgrant> psusi: Try help(bugs[0].bug)
[02:53] <psusi> well, I took what each searchTasks returned, converted it to a list(), and then concactenated them together, since it seems like you have to explicitly searchTasks on each status you want ( New, Confirmed, Incomplete )
[02:54] <spiv> Is it probably going to appear, or has Launchpad lost it?
[02:54] <psusi> ohh...
[02:54] <spiv> It's not my mail setup, another review I sent an hour ago worked just fine.
[02:57] <psusi> wgrant, print bugs[0]: https://api.staging.launchpad.net/1.0/ubuntu/+source/powernowd/+bug/153186
[02:57] <psusi> wgrant, print bugs[0].bug: big traceback
[02:58] <wgrant> Oh?
[02:59] <poolie> spiv, that's giving me a lot of deja vu
[03:03] <Ampelbein> hmm, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zoneminder/+bug/507004/comments/4 looks like spam to me?
[03:11] <wgrant> spiv, poolie: process-mail is apparently failing to run.
[03:11] <wgrant> Looking.
[03:12] <wgrant> Oh no.
[03:12] <wgrant> thumper: Is that what you were looking at?
[03:12] <wgrant> With the emailaddress thing?
[03:13] <thumper> wgrant: no
[03:13] <thumper> wgrant: I was looking at something else
[03:13] <wgrant> What.
[03:13] <wgrant> 2011-03-02 01:39:21 ERROR   No mail box is configured. Please see mailbox.txt for info on how to configure one.
[03:27] <psusi> hrm... so I set bugs[0].status = 'Invalid' and called bugs[0].lp_save() and it returned without error... but the bug isn't being updated...
[03:30] <StevenK> Is bugs[0] a Bug or a BugTask?
[03:30] <wgrant> psusi: Is bugs[0] actually a list?
[03:31] <wgrant> Or is it a result from searchTasks?
[03:31] <wgrant> It's possible that it's fetching a fresh object each time. I forget exactly how it works.
[03:31] <wgrant> Try only retrieving it once.
[03:31] <psusi> bugs is a list, built from the results of multiple calls to searchTasks ( one for each active status )
[03:31] <spiv> wgrant: well, my reviews finally came through
[03:31] <wgrant> spiv: Yeah, we fixed it.
[03:31] <wgrant> Bug #727570
[03:31] <wgrant> Sorry, forgot to mention it here.
[03:31] <wgrant> Properly fixing now.
[03:32] <spiv> wgrant: cool, thanks!
[03:33] <psusi> in other words, I did bugs = list( d.searchTasks( status='New' ) then bugs += list( d.searchTasks( status = 'Confirmed' ) etc
[03:34] <lifeless> psusi: if you don't pass in status, you should get all bugs
[03:35] <psusi> lifeless, I just want all open ones, so I had to explicitly search on each open status
[03:35] <lifeless> or you can say status=any(New,confirmed,...)
[03:36] <wgrant> lifeless: Uh, can you?
[03:36] <psusi> at any rate, I have all of the bugs in a list that I want... and I have done bugs[0].status = 'Invalid' and bugs[0].lp_save() and it doesn't seem to be taking effect, but no errors
[03:36] <lifeless> if you can't say that, file a bug, but I'm pretty sure you can
[03:36] <lifeless> psusi: you're probably talking to staging
[03:36] <wgrant> psusi: You're not accidentally using staging?
[03:36] <wgrant> Heh.
[03:36] <psusi> it looks like I am, is that a problem?
[03:37] <wgrant> If you want to write to production, staging is possibly not the best place to be writing.
[03:37] <lifeless> only if you want to change production
[03:37] <wgrant> Check if your changes appear on staging.launchpad.net.
[03:38] <psusi> wait, what's staging again?  edge is unreleased version of lp, but on same db right?
[03:39] <StevenK> edge doesn't mean that anymore
[03:39] <lifeless> edge is not staging
[03:39] <lifeless> and never was
[03:39] <psusi> ohh, ok... yea, shows right on staging...
[03:39] <psusi> no, I mean edge = live db but with latest lp code right?
[03:39] <psusi> staging = not live db?
[03:39] <wgrant> edge used to run newer code.
[03:40] <wgrant> But now is identical to production.
[03:40] <psusi> ohh... odd
[03:40] <wgrant> staging is new code, and a copy of the DB that is overwritten weekly.
[03:40] <wgrant> edge is deprecated.
[03:40] <wgrant> But we can't remove it entirely, because people run API scripts against it.
[03:40] <psusi> right... ok... got ya... why is edge depreciated?
[03:40] <wgrant> Because we roll out to production once every day or two anyway.
[03:40] <wgrant> We used to only roll out there once a month, so edge was useful.
[03:40] <psusi> heh... ok
[03:40] <wgrant> But now we can roll out much more rapidly.
[03:41] <spm> s/rapidly/frequently/
[03:41] <psusi> ok, so basically, let's see... I need to start over and make the initial connection not to staging?
[03:41] <wgrant> Heh.
[03:41] <wgrant> psusi: Yes.
[03:41] <psusi> what do I use instead of 'staging' as the argument to Launchpad.login_with()?
[03:42] <wgrant> 'production'
[03:42] <psusi> ahh
[03:42] <spm> actually - and somewhat more widely than just the edge appservers too.
[03:42] <lifeless> we are going to delete edge
[03:42] <lifeless> entirely.
[03:42] <lifeless> at some point I'm going to blog and pull the plug
[03:43] <StevenK> Now?
[03:43] <StevenK> How about now?
[03:43] <lifeless> not today
[03:43] <lifeless> psusi: http://blog.launchpad.net/general/edge-is-deprecated
[03:44] <psusi> ok... now back to searchTasks()... how can I get just active bugs?  someone said that is what it returns by default?
[03:44] <psusi> but it seems to give all bugs
[03:44] <psusi> unless I explicitly add status="something"
[03:47] <wgrant> What are you calling it on?
[03:49] <wgrant> psusi: You may be able to pass in a list of statuses.
[03:49] <wgrant> Try that.
[03:49] <wgrant> I haven't use the Bugs API for a long time :/
[03:50] <poolie> psusi, wgrant, you do need to explicitly list all the active bugs
[03:50] <poolie> (just like the web ui :-/)
[03:50] <wgrant> :(
[03:50] <lifeless> poolie: you do?
[03:50] <psusi> wgrant, calling it on a distribution
[03:51] <poolie> there is a bug against lp asking for a better way to say that
[03:51] <lifeless> poolie: whats the bug #?
[03:51] <poolie> hm, or does it default to active and you have to list them all to get everything?
[03:51] <poolie> it's one or the other
[03:52] <lifeless> poolie: how are you listing multiples
[03:54] <poolie> i believe in python it's a list of strings
[03:54] <poolie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/lazr.restful/+bug/590561 is part of it
[03:54] <lifeless> psusi: ['new', 'complete'] etc
[03:54] <lifeless> if poolie is right
[03:55] <poolie> case sensitive :)
[03:55] <poolie> 'New' etc i think
[03:55] <poolie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/672883
[03:55] <poolie> also https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/613713
[03:56] <psusi> lifeless, ohh... ['foo','bar'] as opposed to the 'foo,bar' I had been trying? ;)
[03:56] <poolie> yeah
[03:56] <poolie> and https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpadlib/+bug/256940
[04:00] <StevenK> Er, I think there is an lazr.enum branch that thumper was working on to make ['new', 'complete'] work
[04:00] <poolie> well
[04:00] <poolie> making clients hardcode all the values is obviously poor
[04:00] <poolie> because the available options do change over time, eg with 'opinion'
[04:00] <lifeless> this is a bug
[04:00] <lifeless> the values should not change in 1.0
[04:00] <lifeless> and outside 1.0, meh
[04:01] <poolie> i'll make 613713 the master
[04:02] <psusi> crap... addMessage() seems to take effect immediately rather than after lp_save()
[04:03] <wgrant> psusi: I did warn you about that :)
[04:03] <psusi> ohh
[04:04] <psusi> I thought I could change status, then addmessage, and finally lp_save to save one change that modified status with a commend
[04:05] <psusi> comment even
[04:05] <wgrant> They are always separate changes.
[04:05] <wgrant> Even if you do them in the web UI.
[04:05] <wgrant> They just happen at similar times.
[04:08] <psusi> boy I hope I did that right
[04:11] <psusi> looks like it worked... hooray python!
[04:14] <wgrant> Indeed, it seems to have worked.
[04:14] <wgrant> How many were there?
[04:15] <psusi> wgrant, looks liek 35
[04:16] <wgrant> Oh, you only did powernowd?
[04:16] <psusi> wgrant, should come in handy again soon though when the usplash package is dropped... it has 239 open bugs
[04:16] <psusi> yea
[04:16] <wgrant> :(
[04:17] <wgrant> I was apparently subscribed to 1.
[04:17] <psusi> bug 1, or one of the bugs against powernowd?
[04:18] <wgrant> One of the bugs against powernowd.
[04:19]  * psusi wonders why his mailbox has not yet been flooded with the changes
[04:23] <lifeless> wgrant: we've probably broken outbound mail too
[04:23] <wgrant> lifeless: Not likely.
[04:23] <wgrant> lifeless: I got one of the notifications.
[04:23] <lifeless> ok
[04:23] <lifeless> phew
[04:23] <wgrant> And that's all in-tree AFAIK
[07:35] <lxsameer> can i install the launchpad bug tracker on my server only?
[07:36] <lifeless> its an AGPLv3 project, so you can - but you need to rebrand it, and its pretty complex to run.
[07:36] <lifeless> (its a very complex project)
[07:36] <lifeless> dev.launchpad.net is where you need to read, if you want to do that.
[07:37] <lifeless> lxsameer: we can run private projects for you though (its a commercial service) if you want.
[07:37] <lifeless> lxsameer: or if its a public project, we host those for free as long as they are open source
[07:38] <lxsameer> lifeless: the main problem here is that i wan to know that can i just install bugtracker ? i don't need other stuff
[07:40] <lifeless> no
[07:40] <lifeless> the bugtracking component isn't a separate project
[07:41] <lifeless> you can run it and only have the bugs subdomain routed, but I wouldn't expect that to play well
[08:05] <fta2> is the publisher dead or something? build "Finished 1 hour ago" but still "Pending publication"
[08:06] <wgrant> fta2: Which build?
[08:07] <fta2> wgrant, https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/1533137/+listing-archive-extra
[08:07] <wgrant> Thanks.
[08:07] <wgrant> fta2: Looks published to me.
[08:09] <fta2> oh, it just changed status, been waiting for nearly 2h in "Pending publication" mode
[08:10] <wgrant> Hmm.
[08:10] <wgrant> I'm waiting for logs to sync, then we'll hopefully be able to see what's going on.
[08:30] <wgrant> fta2: It looks like the publisher was running really slow for about half an hour.
[08:30] <fta2> hm, ok
[10:26] <mok0> Why doesn't a deleted PPA disappear? It's only greyed-out
[10:51] <bigjools> mok0: that part is not implemented (yet)
[10:51] <bigjools> deletion was done so that people could rename their accounts
[10:52] <mok0> bigjools: I see
[11:01] <shadeslayer> could someone have a look at OOPS-1887C1077
[11:02] <shadeslayer> Same thing with OOPS-1887O1093
[11:02] <shadeslayer> Trying to copy a package from a public PPA to a private ppa
[11:15] <wgrant> shadeslayer: That's a timeout. Were you copying more than one source?
[11:15] <bigjools> shadeslayer: it's timing out because you're copying too much at once.  This is a know bug.
[11:15] <shadeslayer> nope
[11:15] <wgrant> Wow.
[11:15] <shadeslayer> just one source
[11:15] <wgrant> Nice timing.
[11:15] <bigjools> does it have a lot of binaries?
[11:15] <wgrant> shadeslayer: Has copying this source worked recently?
[11:15] <shadeslayer> quit possibly yes ... /me checks
[11:15] <shadeslayer> wgrant: yeah
[11:15] <wgrant> The global timeout was reduced a few hours ago.
[11:15] <bigjools> that page really needs a job runner
[11:16] <wgrant> We may want to increase it by a couple of seconds for this page and see what happens.
[11:16] <wgrant> bigjools: No, it just needs me to find time to make it not suck.
[11:16] <shadeslayer> yeah loads of binaries
[11:16] <wgrant> There are two really easy fixes which half the query count.
[11:16] <bigjools> shadeslayer: that's the problem then :(
[11:16] <shadeslayer> this is the source : https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebindings
[11:16] <shadeslayer> :(
[11:16] <bigjools> wgrant: JFDI!
[11:16] <shadeslayer> hahah
[11:16] <wgrant> shadeslayer: Ah, KDE disorder.
[11:16] <wgrant> Of course.
[11:17] <shadeslayer> ;)
[11:17] <shadeslayer> i thought it was only with big sources
[11:17] <bigjools> it's the file count that matters
[11:17] <wgrant> It mostly depends on the number of binaries.
[11:17] <shadeslayer> didn't know large number of binaries cause timeouts as well
[11:17] <wgrant> Sources aren't so critical.
[11:17] <bigjools> it has to go checking each file for conflicts in the target archive
[11:17] <shadeslayer> yeah i just copied the sources over
[11:17] <shadeslayer> ah
[11:18] <bigjools> the code that does that sucks a bit
[11:18] <wgrant> It's fairly easy to fix, but difficult to write a test to ensure that it stays fixed.
[11:18] <shadeslayer> yeah ... the test part is fairly important
[11:19] <wgrant> I think I will give up on that for now and just fix the problem.
[11:19] <wgrant> Eventually we'll get the whole thing into a testable state.
[11:19] <shadeslayer> :D
[11:38] <shadeslayer> another issue, i can't open build logs in a private PPA, like this one https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+buildjob/2295261
[11:40] <shadeslayer> nvm ... looks like a chromium issue
[11:43] <bigjools> yeah there's a bug in Chromium
[12:53] <crom> hello any help arround...Error ID: OOPS-1887O1263 while trying to import finger print
[12:57] <crom> any admin there?
[13:02] <crom> any admin there?
[13:03] <wgrant> crom: Have you tried it more than once?
[13:03] <crom> last week, but different error
[13:03] <crom> i cant manage to import the fingerprint
[13:05] <wgrant> crom: Could you try it again now?
[13:05] <crom> sure.... 1 sec
[13:07] <crom> did u change anything....i try all evening last week
[13:07] <crom> now works
[13:07] <wgrant> crom: What was the error you were getting last week?
[13:07] <wgrant> I don't think it was this same one.
[13:16] <stgraber> hello
[13:17] <stgraber> could someone rename https://launchpad.net/vmmanager to https://launchpad.net/weblive ?
[13:17] <stgraber> vmmanager doesn't have any blueprint or bugs at the moment, only two bzr branches
[13:17] <stgraber> so there shouldn't be any really broken link by doing so
[13:22] <stgraber> Just filed: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/147523
[13:25] <flower> gpg --clearsign UbuntuCodeofConduct-1.1.txt, but how do I specify a certain key?
[13:26] <flower> gpg --clearsign UbuntuCodeofConduct-1.1.txt, uses the first user key which is on the system, I need a other
[13:39] <raphink> flower, have you read the manpage?
[13:39] <raphink> it says how to do it
[13:40] <raphink> The key to  be  used  for
[13:40] <raphink>               signing is chosen by default or can be set with the --local-user and --default-key options.
[13:40] <flower> gpg --clearsign -u works
[13:41] <raphink> -u is the short for --local-user
[13:41] <raphink> as per manpage gpg
[13:41] <flower> allthough launchpad gives a general error :/
[13:42] <flower> ah
[14:04] <crom> so after confirming code of conduct....what next?
[16:45] <\sh> moins
[17:16] <\sh> could someone explain what the real contents of the cve collection is? is it imported from mitre or is it only a list of cves somehow reported via bug reports?
[17:17] <\sh> when the latter is true, the cve entry bugs collection should show somehow at least one bug entry per cve entry, right?
[19:48] <cody-somerville> When should I expect staging.launchpad.net to come back?
[20:06] <lifeless> don't know why its down yet
[20:55] <kees> hi! how do I configure my bzr branch to email merge requests somewhere? I don't seem to get any email notifications of merges.
[20:57] <tumbleweed> kees: it's an option when you subscribe to a branch
[20:57] <tumbleweed> (emailing them to you)
[20:58] <kees> tumbleweed: hm
[20:59] <Ampelbein> kees: https://code.launchpad.net/~USER/PACKET/BRANCH/+edit-subscription ? on the middle right corner "edit my subscription"
[21:00] <kees> Ampelbein, tumbleweed: I don't see an option for "just merge requests". won't this send all commits too?
[21:00] <kees> or are merge-requests considered "attribute" changes?
[21:01] <tumbleweed> kees: see  "code review level" I think
[21:03] <kees> tumbleweed: ah, so "Notification Level" is about the branch itself, and "Code review Level" is about merge requests? that makes sense.
[21:04] <tumbleweed> kees: I think so, I'm no LP dev :) The branches I get review mail on, I also subscribe to commits for
[21:52] <wgrant> kees: That UI isn't quite optimal, since merge proposals were added later. But yes, "Notification level" is all about commit notifications.