[12:08] <gatekeeper> larson9999: I am waiting for eUbuntu using enlightenment window manger :-) :-)
[12:08] <Pupeno> LittleMe: I don't want to translate anything, I want to set the language of a document to german, so the auto-spellchecker uses the right dictionary.
[12:08] <ihope> Um... is Xubuntu about 6 times the size of Kubuntu, or what? :-P
[12:08] <larson9999> Hawkwind: ah
[12:08] <LittleMe> pupeno, i don't know sorry
[12:08] <larson9999> gatekeeper: that would be nice.  is it in the works?
[12:08] <Hawkwind> larson9999: Yes
[12:09] <Pupeno> thanks.
[12:09] <Hawkwind> larson9999: By the time Dapper+1 is released Ebuntu will be an official OS
[12:09] <meltdown> Hey, does anyone know how to get 3D graphis working better on S3 Unichrome hardware?
[12:09] <insanekane> ebuntu ?
[12:09] <larson9999> Hawkwind: i think i'll switch then
[12:09] <Hawkwind> insanekane: Ebuntu will be based on the E17 window manager
[12:09] <insanekane> right
[12:10] <Hawkwind> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ebuntu
[12:10] <h3sp4wn_> I run e-17 now also
[12:10] <h3sp4wn_> (got an nvidia and it all works fine)
[12:10] <OOD> i didn't even know about e-17, is it good?
[12:12] <gatekeeper> larson9999: just clicked on Hawkwind's URL and looks like it's here, have to try that on my test box, I tried OLiveCD which uses enlightenment and was amazed and the speed applications loaded and worked
[12:12] <meltdown> Has anyone managed to successfully set up an S3 Unichrome Pro Graphics chip on Linux (With 3D support at more than 2 FPS)?
[12:12] <gatekeeper> Hawkwind: cool :-)
[12:13] <gatekeeper> Hawkwind: didn'r Ebuntu was a sibling have to give that a try some time. Thanx :-)
[12:13] <gatekeeper> didn't ooops
[12:16] <h3sp4wn_> OOD: Its pre alpha but it is good
[12:16] <h3sp4wn_> OOD: Been in development for 6 years by a perfectionist
[12:16] <OOD> haha
[12:17] <chess> anybody have link for kubuntu nvidia install howto?
[12:17] <OOD> i'll try it out
[12:17] <sensei> A little like Guns 'n roses new album then
[12:17] <sensei> Minus four years  :)
[12:17] <h3sp4wn_> !nvidia
[12:17] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your monitor, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:17] <chess> ty
[12:18] <sensei> The clones are attacking!
[12:18] <linuxmonkey> yeouch
[12:19] <linuxmonkey> :)
[12:20] <meltdown> Does anyone have any suggestions for setting up an integrated Graphics chip for acceptable 3D graphics? (Even an integrated chip should be able to get better than 2 FPS...)
[12:20] <SigmaX> Yo; I updated to Dapper from Breezy a while back, and now apt-get is stuck on kcontrol: unable to make backup link of `./usr/lib/kde3/kcm_style.la' before installing new version: Operation not permitted
[12:20] <Healot> ati mobile > for portable computers
[12:21] <meltdown> Was that for me...?
[12:26] <slow-motion> n8
[12:31] <xadas> huhu
[12:38] <neuron_> hey
[12:39] <neuron_> is there any way of recording the desktop to a avi file?
[12:41] <Mopii> i have a problem with wine :(    j'ai ce message dans wine : fixme:wininet:InternetSetOptionW INTERNET_OPTION_SEND/RECEIVE_TIMEOUT not supported on protocol 1
[12:47] <Healot> Mopii, are you using some application to connect to the internet...?
[12:48] <ryan> Arso, any luck with cedega ?
[12:48] <tarragon> Hi all. I am having problems with the kubuntu install at the partitioning stage. Was Hoary running fine. New Kubuntu disk appears not to see HD. I can partition it with fdisk but the kubuntu installer says the whole disk in unallocated.. Any ideas?
[12:49] <Zaire> Arso if you figure out how to fix the Xlibs issue with cedega first let me know
[12:50] <h3sp4wn_> Zaire: Take the deb appart and remove the xlibs dependancy
[12:53] <fatejudger> !opera
[12:53] <ubotu> An advanced and free (only as in price) Web browser. Howto at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser - Latest Ubuntu packages always at: http://opera.com/download
[12:58] <cox377___> does anyone here use VOIP??
[12:58] <cox377___> in particular voipcheap
[01:00] <Midspeed> hi everyone, im back for more!!! he he he, how can i create a partition with kubuntun 6.06, i got 10 gigs that arent partitioned, how do i do that, i want to use that space to put files i download from the internet there, only for storage.
[01:00] <sensei> Midspeed: You mean you have 10 gigs of free space?
[01:00] <Chousuke> the app's name is qtparted
[01:00] <sensei> I'd say mkfs
[01:01] <Midspeed> yeah but its not partitoned
[01:01] <Midspeed> i need to partition it
[01:01] <Midspeed> how do i do that?
[01:01] <Chousuke> qtparted
[01:01] <h3sp4wn_> fdisk
[01:01] <Midspeed> in kubuntu 6.06
[01:01] <h3sp4wn_> or cfdisk
[01:01] <Midspeed> ok thanks
[01:01] <Chousuke> ... qtparted. :P
[01:01] <sensei> Eh.. is it a disk that's 10 gigs? Or is it a disk with 10 gigs free space?
[01:01] <Midspeed> which one is better?
[01:01] <Midspeed> qtparted or fdisk?
[01:01] <Chousuke> qtparted has a GUI
[01:01] <Midspeed> or cfdisk?
[01:01] <Midspeed> ok thanks
[01:01] <sensei> In the latter case, you do NOT want to partition it
[01:01] <h3sp4wn_> I always use fdisk - cfdisk has a gui
[01:02] <Chousuke> does it?
[01:02] <Midspeed> so which one is better???
[01:02] <Midspeed> ha ha ha
[01:02] <Chousuke> I thought it has a TUI :P
[01:02] <sensei> ffs...
[01:02] <h3sp4wn_> Its graphical hence it has a graphical user interface
[01:02] <sensei> just mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdwhateveris10gigsunallocated
[01:02] <Chousuke> graphical?
[01:02] <sensei> And you're good to go
[01:03] <Chousuke> I never knew cfdisk was graphical :P
[01:03] <Midspeed> thank you sensei ! and thanks for all the other opinions i will try whichever works best for me :D
[01:03] <h3sp4wn_> sensei: There is no partition created though (I think that is what he is saying)
[01:03] <Chousuke> I used to run it from the terminal.
[01:03] <Midspeed> yeah no partition is created
[01:03] <Midspeed> its just unallocated space
[01:03] <sensei> h3sp4wn_: Then it's a disk that's 10 gigs
[01:03] <sensei> Midspeed: Then it's partitioned
[01:03] <Chousuke> Midspeed: unallocated space on a disk with other partitions?
[01:03] <sensei> Partition = slice of disk.. Unallocated = partitioned slice of disk without file system
[01:03] <h3sp4wn_> sensei: No
[01:03] <Chousuke> Midspeed: then it's already a partition, in which case you will have to make a file system
[01:04] <Midspeed> :'( ok he he he
[01:04] <sensei> h3sp4wn_: Yes
[01:04] <sensei> Unpartitioned = free space without an entry in the FAT
[01:04] <h3sp4wn_> sensei: If I have 10gb of unpartitioned space it doesn't have an sdaX entry so you need to create a partition first
[01:05] <Chousuke> wouldn't unpartitioned = no FAT
[01:05] <Midspeed> it doesnt show on DISK and FILESYSTEMS
[01:05] <sensei> Chousuke: The disk still has a FAT
[01:05] <Chousuke> Hm.
[01:05] <Chousuke> Whatever.
[01:06] <Chousuke> I'm too tired to think of this any further.
[01:06] <Chousuke> semantics.
[01:06] <h3sp4wn_> Midspeed: sudo cfdisk /dev/hda (or sda) or whatever it is
[01:06] <sensei> h3sp4wn_: Yeah, then it's unpartitioned
[01:07] <h3sp4wn_> sensei: Which is what he said his is
[01:07] <SpAwN> hello all how can i get smp support
[01:07] <SpAwN> ?
[01:07] <h3sp4wn_> SpAwN: You already have it or use the server kernel
[01:08] <sensei> h3sp4wn_: I gave him two options.. I said in the latter case :) I've learned that what people say isn't always what they want.. And I tend to want to give options whenever there's so crusial things such as harddrives and their layout involved
[01:08] <SpAwN> h3sp4wn_: realy?.....it default on the normal kernel?
[01:08] <sensei> But surely went good this time, yeah
[01:09] <SpAwN> 2.6.15-25-386 is the kernel im using
[01:09] <h3sp4wn_> SpAwN: How do you know you don't have smp ?
[01:10] <h3sp4wn_> SpAwN: From dapper all the kernels support smp
[01:10] <SpAwN> h3sp4wn_: i dont......i didnt see anything when i searched for kernel.......
[01:10] <Midspeed> ok, im not very smart with linux, and i cant seem to create a partition with fdisk
[01:10] <sensei> Wouldn't the second CPU show up in /proc/cpuinfo if it was enabled?
[01:10] <Midspeed> that cfdisk, is not graphical he he he
[01:10] <chess> how do i exit x server
[01:10] <SpAwN> sensei: would it?..
[01:10] <danl> adept screwed up and now the database is locked and i can't upgrade anything, how do i fix that?
[01:11] <sensei> SpAwN: Let me log into a smp system and see, just a sec
[01:11] <h3sp4wn_> SpAwN: Does /proc/cpuinfo list 2 cpu's ?
[01:11] <SpAwN> sensei: k thanks
[01:11] <sensei> $ grep processor /proc/cpuinfo
[01:11] <sensei> processor       : 0
[01:11] <sensei> processor       : 1
[01:11] <SpAwN> umm just run "sudo /proc/cpuinfo"
[01:11] <SpAwN> ?
[01:11] <h3sp4wn_> cat /proc/cpuinfo I would do
[01:12] <Midspeed> ok sorry to bother im using cfdisk and it is indeed a shell like graphic interface
[01:12] <Midspeed> he he he
[01:12] <SpAwN> processor       : 0
[01:12] <sensei> Not SMP then
[01:13] <SpAwN> sensei: what kernel are you using?
[01:13] <sensei> It's on Red Hat Enterprise
[01:13] <SpAwN> ahh
[01:13] <sensei> 2.4.21
[01:14] <SpAwN> hmm should i install a diff kernel to get the smp support?...on know on mandriva there was a smp specific kernel
[01:14] <h3sp4wn_> SpAwN: Install the 686 kernel and try again - If that doesn't work try the server kernel - but if you are running games then you probably don't want the server kernel
[01:14] <Midspeed> damn it says the partition is unusable!
[01:14] <Midspeed> can somebody help me out here
[01:14] <h3sp4wn_> Midspeed: Delete it and create it again
[01:14] <Midspeed> ok
[01:14] <Midspeed> thanks
[01:15] <SpAwN> ahhh k h3sp4wn_ thanks for the info...im gonna go try that
[01:15] <Midspeed> it says cannot delete and empty partition
[01:15] <Midspeed> he he he
[01:15] <h3sp4wn_> Midspeed: Are you running it with sudo ?
[01:15] <Midspeed> i am the root
[01:15] <Midspeed> im logged as root
[01:15] <sensei> There's always kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686-smp  couldn't that be useful ? *sucking at kubuntu packages*
[01:16] <SpAwN> one more quick question ....... kubuntu installed  a386 kernel by default i can use a 686 correct?
[01:16] <h3sp4wn_> I don't see why you would want to use that kernel 2.4
[01:16] <D4m4ge> bye, good night
[01:16] <h3sp4wn_> SpAwN: Is it 2 processors you have or a dual core ?
[01:17] <Midspeed> help! :(
[01:17] <sensei> Better to run a 2.4 kernel with two cpus rather than a 2.6 one with only one I'd say
[01:17] <sensei> h3sp4wn_: Ah, good hinking there with dual core
[01:17] <SpAwN> its a p4 with HT
[01:17] <SpAwN> 3.6 ghz
[01:18] <h3sp4wn_> HT is not even really two cores
[01:18] <h3sp4wn_> I don't know how to check whether that is working right though
[01:18] <SpAwN> so it wont mak a diff?
[01:18] <SpAwN> i was told it could....i will probly benchmark...and see
[01:19] <sebast> hi
[01:20] <Philip5> hi there
[01:20] <h3sp4wn_> SpAwN: Maybe if the applications you are running are well threaded and compiled with intel's compiler
[01:22] <h3sp4wn_> SpAwN: Support for hyperthreading would not be in the 386 kernel though
[01:22] <Midspeed> it says the partition is UNUSABLE and i cant delete it
[01:22] <SpAwN> h3sp4wn_: k thanks again...im gonna give it a quick shot
[01:22] <sebast> well it is nearlly time for me to back up my files and re install Dapper Gnome and KDE.  However this will mean I lose my LAMP set up.  and that took about a day with help to get set up in Breezy which I later upgraded to Dapper.  and I just installed Apache on a lap top running Dapper to find out.  if I needed to mess around with anything.  and well people carn't connect.  I did the router and yeah.  anyway that's not wha
[01:22] <sebast> ut any messing around.  in the non server edition.  or can the server edition be used for other stuff as well
[01:22] <Midspeed> or create any new partition
[01:22] <Healot> Midspeed: how many partition you already have?
[01:22] <Midspeed> let me check
[01:23] <Healot> if you have 4 primary parts, or 3 primary + 1 extended primary
[01:23] <Healot> then the unused space is render unusable
[01:25] <driz> Hey!!!
[01:25] <Midspeed> 6
[01:25] <Midspeed> counting 2 unusable
[01:25] <Midspeed>  clear
[01:26] <sysrpl> hello
[01:26] <sysrpl> what is the name of THE sdl package?
[01:26] <Healot> you already have 4 primary parts i guess? Midspeed
[01:26] <Healot> !find libdsl
[01:26] <ubotu> No packages matching 'libdsl' could be found
[01:26] <Healot> !find libsdl
[01:26] <ubotu> Found: libsdl-image1.2, libsdl-image1.2-dev, libsdl-mixer1.2, libsdl-mixer1.2-dev, libsdl-ttf2.0-0 (and 28 others)
[01:27] <Midspeed> 3
[01:27] <Midspeed> 3 primary
[01:27] <sysrpl> is there one that emcompases them all?
[01:27] <Midspeed> 2 logical
[01:27] <sysrpl> which are the primary and how did you tell?
[01:27] <driz> I have a problem in adding a function to my ".bashrc" file, and it's suppose to show me the date and time everytime i would enter the Konsole, but its not working. Does anyone know how i can fix this?
[01:27] <Healot> that means 3 primary + 1 extended primary
[01:27] <Midspeed> yes
[01:27] <Healot> wish your disk can be use like Windows dynamic disk, Midspeed?
[01:28] <Midspeed> screw windows
[01:28] <sysrpl> how are you able to discern which of those packages were primary?
[01:28] <Midspeed> i got windows here cause my girl doesnt like linux
[01:28] <fiyawerx> !lamp
[01:28] <ubotu> lamp is a shortcut for Linux-Apache-Mysql-{PHP,Perl,Python}. To setup a LAMP server on Ubuntu, install the packages libapache2-mod-php5, php5-mysql, and mysql-server-5.0. You can also choose 'install a LAMP server' from the server install cd boot menu. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[01:29] <sebast> type !lamp,
[01:29] <sebast> !lamp,
[01:29] <ubotu> I know nothing about lamp,
[01:29] <sebast> !lamp
[01:29] <ubotu> lamp is a shortcut for Linux-Apache-Mysql-{PHP,Perl,Python}. To setup a LAMP server on Ubuntu, install the packages libapache2-mod-php5, php5-mysql, and mysql-server-5.0. You can also choose 'install a LAMP server' from the server install cd boot menu. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[01:29] <Midspeed> im just a little frustrated with the partitioning
[01:30] <Healot> Midspeed: it's the dynamic disk feature that we like to see
[01:31] <Midspeed> he he he
[01:31] <Midspeed> ok
[01:31] <Midspeed> i dont know what the hell im gonna do with this
[01:32] <Healot> my two cents
[01:32] <Healot> either extend your extended part size to fill the unused free space
[01:33] <sysrpl> does "OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 915GM 20050225" from glxinfo mean i have full hardware opengl acceleration installed?
[01:33] <sotired> what is the wine help channel? anyone know?
[01:33] <Healot> #wine
[01:33] <sotired> no
[01:33] <h3sp4wn_> #winehq
[01:33] <Healot> #drunkards
[01:33] <sotired> thats it
[01:33] <sotired> thanks
[01:33] <sotired> lol
[01:34] <h3sp4wn_> ##cooking maybe they know about wine ?
[01:34] <Philip5> sysrpl: no
[01:35] <sotired> anyone use vsoconvertxtodvd with wine before?
[01:36] <Healot> mrbass.org has all your Windows DVD application running under WINE
[01:36] <dj_baggio> !ocr
[01:36] <ubotu> I know nothing about ocr
[01:37] <dj_baggio> !gocr
[01:37] <ubotu> I know nothing about gocr
[01:37] <dj_baggio> !kocr
[01:37] <ubotu> I know nothing about kocr
[01:38] <Pupeno> !mp3
[01:38] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:42] <Mosi> can anyone tell me what the difference is between Synaptic and Adept, and if i should be using one or the other?
[01:43] <Healot> both are default apt-get Frontend for both desktop Gnome and KDE, respectively
[01:45] <Mosi> Healot: that's what i thought. I was unable to install Kubuntu directly, so i installed Ubuntu and did sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, so i guess that's why i hve both. is there any reason i should be using adept?
[01:46] <Healot> both frontend have their own package filtering method, different ways to update repository
[01:46] <Healot> none, if you are sticking to synaptic
[01:46] <Mosi> ok
[01:47] <Mosi> but it's a bad idea to mix and match, then?
[01:47] <Healot> but KDE will install things with help from adept
[01:47] <Mosi> lol, oh. is that why my help system won't launch?
[01:48] <Healot> in KDE?
[01:48] <Mosi> yeah
[01:48] <Mosi> or did you not mean like that?
[01:48] <Healot> by (c)licking it from the meny?
[01:48] <Healot> KDE menu shortcut?
[01:48] <Mosi> nope, that seems to work
[01:49] <fiyawerx> !lamp
[01:49] <ubotu> lamp is a shortcut for Linux-Apache-Mysql-{PHP,Perl,Python}. To setup a LAMP server on Ubuntu, install the packages libapache2-mod-php5, php5-mysql, and mysql-server-5.0. You can also choose 'install a LAMP server' from the server install cd boot menu. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[01:49] <Healot> !red_panda
[01:49] <ubotu> I know nothing about red_panda
[01:52] <coma> Kubuntu is officially Sexy:)
[01:53] <Kr4t05> coma, how so?
[01:54] <coma> just got my
[01:54] <vem0m> lol
[01:54] <coma> NTFS disks mounted, XMMS running and Warzone 2100
[01:54] <Kr4t05> Who uses NTFS...?
[01:54] <Kr4t05> Or XMMS?
[01:55] <Kr4t05> :P
[01:55] <coma> that company...microdeft or something.....
[01:55] <Kr4t05> lmao
[01:56] <sensei> xmms is nice
[01:56] <Kr4t05> Eh, yeah, it's okay.
[01:56] <Kr4t05> amaroK is hawter. ;)
[01:56] <sensei> For us who doesn't care about nitty gritty and just want to listen to music occasionally
[01:56] <sensei> It's too heavy for me, I don't use any of its features really, but I don't blame those who does either .)
[01:57] <sensei> What features do you like best about amarok?
[01:57] <Kr4t05> sensei, everything?
[01:58] <coma> meh....xmms has been about since i got redhat 7....just got used to it
[01:58] <OOD> the organization of all my music and the layout
[01:58] <Kr4t05> It pretty much does everything, music player support, podcast catching.
[01:58] <vem0m> i like the pop up sond info and its clean interface
[01:58] <Kr4t05> That, too.
[01:58] <OOD> what popup sound?
[01:58] <sensei> Music player support?
[01:58] <coma> yeah, but my amarok wont play mp3......
[01:58] <vem0m> pop up track info
[01:59] <OOD> coma: yes it can
[01:59] <sensei> vem0m: The OSD??
[01:59] <vem0m> make sure u install the mp3 codec for xine
[01:59] <sensei> !mp3
[01:59] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:59] <vem0m> that
[01:59] <vem0m> :P
[01:59] <Kr4t05> coma, sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs (I think)
[02:00] <vem0m> yea i think thats it
[02:00] <Kr4t05> I'm far too good at that.
[02:00] <OOD> 1.4.1 is out and packed already
[02:00] <vem0m> lol
[02:01] <Kr4t05> But, then, I used Automatix most recently.
[02:01] <OOD> http://www.kubuntu.org/
[02:01] <Healot> !info libxine-extracodecs
[02:01] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In repository multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), package size 1148 kB, installed size 2976 kB
[02:01] <Kr4t05> OOD, I already have it. :)_
[02:01] <danl> how do you get libqt3c102-mt installed
[02:01] <crimsun> danl: that's only valid for warty and hoary, danl
[02:01] <Kr4t05> WTF?!...
[02:01] <danl> hmm
[02:01] <crimsun> we're talking april 2005
[02:02] <danl> cause the app i was trying to install needs it
[02:02] <crimsun> what app?
[02:02] <danl> kooldock
[02:02] <crimsun> huh?
[02:02] <crimsun> !info kooldock
[02:02] <ubotu> kooldock: Dock for KDE with cool visual enhancements. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.3-1ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 518 kB, installed size 976 kB
[02:02] <crimsun> why not use that?
[02:03] <sensei> How do you amarok fans handle invalid id3 tags? I have like three gnr albums and a few singles.. All of which spells Guns 'n' roses differently
[02:03] <sensei> Do you sit and edit all the id3-tags manually? Or do you just 'live with it' ?
[02:03] <danl> hmmm
[02:03] <Kr4t05> sensei, right click -> edit file info.
[02:03] <danl> didn't show up when i searched for it
[02:03] <crimsun> I retag with ex falso.
[02:03] <crimsun> or if I'm feeling masochistic, I use easytag
[02:03] <sensei> Kr4t05: For 26 songs?
[02:03] <Kr4t05> sensei, one what level are they messed up?
[02:03] <sensei> And that's just for my guns 'n roses collection :)
[02:04] <sensei> Kr4t05: Artist name in id3 tags
[02:05] <Kr4t05> In the collections tab, right click on the offending album/artist name and choose, "Edit Information for (n) Tracks"
[02:05] <sensei> It's not an issue really, since I don't use it.. Just curious, just something I reflected upon when evaluating amarok
[02:05] <sensei> Ah, nice
[02:05] <Kr4t05> :)
[02:06] <sensei> When my music collection exceeds a certain amount of songs, I'll consider it ;)
[02:07] <fiyawerx> !java
[02:07] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the runtime Sun Java install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[02:08] <sensei> Fsck.. level 99 on frozen-bubble is impossible!
[02:09] <sysrpl> i just installed the pixel image editor from a deb package using sudo dpkg - pixeldemo_1.0.524-1_i386.deb .... where did it install pixeldemo to so that i can run it?
[02:09] <sysrpl> or how can i find where a package install to?
[02:10] <OOD> do pixeldemo in the terminal
[02:10] <sysrpl> i did any i could find it
[02:10] <sysrpl> couldn't
[02:10] <OOD> you type in pixeldemo in the terminal and nothing happened?
[02:10] <sysrpl> bash: pixeldemo: command not found
[02:11] <joscha_> dpkg -L pixeldemo
[02:11] <TheHighChild> is it possible to install a 32 bit package on a 64 it machine?
[02:11] <Dasnipa`> sure
[02:12] <TheHighChild> can you do it from the repos?
[02:12] <sysrpl> Package `pixeldemo_1.0.524-1_i386.deb' is not installed.
[02:12] <sysrpl> but i just installed it with no error messages?
[02:12] <vem0m> sysrpl: u use sudo when u installed?
[02:12] <joscha_> did u dpkg -L pixeldemo_1.0.524-1_i386.deb or dpkg -L pixeldemo ?
[02:12] <sysrpl> sudo dpkg -i pixeldemo_1.0.524-1_i386.deb
[02:13] <sysrpl> oh
[02:13] <sysrpl> still, not installed
[02:13] <lime4x4> problem starting ktorrent
[02:13] <lime4x4> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'bt::Error'
[02:13] <lime4x4> KCrash: Application 'ktorrent' crashing...
[02:13] <lime4x4> ERROR: Communication problem with ktorrent, it probably crashed.
[02:13] <TheHighChild> how do I install a 32 bit package?
[02:13] <sysrpl> sudo dpkg -L pixeldemo_1.0.524-1_i386.deb ... result = not installed
[02:14] <joscha_> just dpkg -L pixeldemo
[02:14] <sysrpl> same thing
[02:14] <sysrpl> why ins the install not givving me any errors?
[02:14] <MrObvious> TheHighChild: I don't think you can except for running a virtual 32 bit enviroment.
[02:15] <sysrpl> it says "Setting up pixeldemo (1.0.524-1) ..." then the next line is back to the command prompt
[02:15] <tonyr> What's up with the login over at the forums? Used to have login on Forums Home.
[02:15] <sysrpl> tonyr: i noticed that too
[02:15] <tonyr> now has separate preceding login window that rejects me every time
[02:16] <tonyr> sysrpl:  Thanks I thought I was being persecuted...
[02:17] <sysrpl> you are talking about ubuntuforums.org right?
[02:17] <tonyr> sysrpl: Yup that's the one
[02:18] <sysrpl> i don't know why they even use https for a forum
[02:18] <omeow> I have a huge directory of files all named in upper case. Is there a way to quickly rename all files to lowercase?
[02:19] <sensei> Because you send your password to it ?
[02:19] <uuuubsd> is k3b included in kubuntu
[02:19] <sysrpl> why not just use a cookie?
[02:19] <sysrpl> all other forums use http and cookies without https
[02:19] <sensei> My mother could break a cookie protection
[02:20] <sensei> lol and that's actually true
[02:20] <omeow> uuuubsd: Yes.
[02:20] <joscha_> omeow: krename
[02:21] <usp8riot> can someone tell me how to copy multiple directories to a folder?
[02:22] <tonyr> I've always used http://www.ubuntuforums.org, never https:
[02:22] <usp8riot> anyone know?
[02:22] <greg> cp
[02:22] <omeow> Thanks joscha_.
[02:23] <usp8riot> file:///home/tony/.mplayer/skins/AlienMind
[02:23] <usp8riot> file:///home/tony/.mplayer/skins/DVDPlayer
[02:23] <usp8riot> file:///home/tony/.mplayer/skins/xmmplayer
[02:24] <sysrpl> so about thta pixel installl .. could someone please tell me what's going on?
[02:24] <usp8riot> oops, didn't mean to paste it like that
[02:24] <Hazar> how do you change the screen refresh rate from the terminal?
[02:24] <Hazar> it happened after I installed the ati drivers
[02:24] <sysrpl> i type "sudo dpkg -i pixeldemo_1.0.524-1_i386.deb" and it seems to finsih without errors, but never actually installs
[02:24] <h3sp4wn_> Hazar: You don't you set it from /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:24] <usp8riot> i'm trying to move my mplayer skins into the mplayer directory, and nothing's working
[02:24] <Hazar> I've tried that h3sp4wn_
[02:24] <joscha_> sysrpl: i have no idea... perhabs the package is packed wrong? where did u get it
[02:24] <Hazar> or at least looked in there
[02:24] <sysrpl> from the pixel website
[02:24] <h3sp4wn_> Hazar: A suitable modeline ?
[02:25] <sensei> usp8riot: Not working?!??!
[02:25] <joscha_> sysrpl: url?
[02:25] <sensei> What the fsck does that mean?
[02:25] <Hazar> what do you mean h3sp4wn_?
[02:25] <sensei> Does the computer blow up? Does it cuss at you?
[02:25] <sysrpl> thhttp://www.kanzelsberger.com/pixel/?page_id=4%2F&os=8449fcc24cc9c21232504117c1ff32ef
[02:25] <Hazar> I was using nano
[02:25] <sysrpl> http://www.kanzelsberger.com/pixel/?page_id=4%2F&os=8449fcc24cc9c21232504117c1ff32ef
[02:25] <regenerate> ey guys, since when is there a .htaccess login required for http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ ?
[02:25] <usp8riot> i get "cp: ommitting directory..."
[02:25] <sensei> cp -rf
[02:25] <sensei> See, had you said that the first time you asked the question, you'd be done by now
[02:25] <usp8riot> what's the "-rf" do?
[02:25] <sysrpl> there is no blowup or cussing
[02:25] <sensei> And read the manpage
[02:26] <sysrpl> when installing it says "Setting up pixeldemo (1.0.524-1) ..." then the next line is back to the command prompt
[02:26] <Hazar> the only place I see the refresh rate in there is under section "monitor"
[02:26] <h3sp4wn_> Hazar: My lcd panel runs best at 60hz so I use ModeLine       "1280x1024_60.00" 108.9 1280 1360 1496 1712 1024 1025 1028 1060 -hsync +vsync and Modes      "1280x1024_60.00" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[02:26] <Hazar> yeah
[02:26] <Hazar> mine says 60 hz too
[02:26] <Hazar> but when I boot it goes to like 80
[02:27] <easynintendo> hey hazar did they help you in here?
[02:27] <joscha_> sysrpl: works for me, the binary is called "pixel"
[02:27] <Hazar> not yet easynintendo
[02:28] <usp8riot> ok, got it. thanks sensei
[02:28] <easynintendo> hmm
[02:28] <sysrpl> yeah that works! how did you know the binary name and why did dpkg -L say not installed?
[02:28] <tonyr> about that forums login prob: SOnicChao at #kubuntu says forums are down right now.
[02:28] <easynintendo> joscha can you help hazar?
[02:28] <easynintendo> he needs to know how to change his monitor refresh rate using the commandline
[02:28] <sysrpl> these are the tings that drive me crazy ... how did you know the binary name?
[02:28] <h3sp4wn_> Hazar: Do you want it to run at 60hz ? if you do pastebin /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:28] <easynintendo> i think
[02:28] <joscha_> dpkg -L pixeldemo worked for me
[02:28] <SonicChao> tonyr: ????
[02:29] <easynintendo> see hazar they answered u =D
[02:29] <SonicChao> tonyr: Yes, the forums are down.
[02:29] <h3sp4wn_> Hazar: Or what refresh rate do you want it to run at ?
[02:29] <Hazar> h3sp4wn_, pastebin?
[02:29] <Hazar> what's that
[02:29] <Hazar> 60 would be good
[02:29] <h3sp4wn_> !pastebin
[02:29] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[02:29] <danl> dumb question, but whats the name of the terminal that auto hides at the top of the screen and is transparent?
[02:30] <danl> i can't remember
[02:30] <sysrpl> i was doing sudo dpkg -L pixeldemo_1.0.524-1_i386.deb ...
[02:30] <Hazar> I'm on my windows machine here though
[02:30] <Hazar> I can't get to anything on my other
[02:30] <sysrpl> how did you know to just use -L pixeldemo ?
[02:30] <Hazar> 'cause it goes out of range
[02:30] <sysrpl> i am trying to learn how linux works so i dont have to ask next time
[02:30] <easynintendo> i think in the bootloader you can set a resolution
[02:31] <easynintendo> and overrride the xorg.conf
[02:31] <joscha_> pixeldemo_1.0.524-1_i386.deb is the filename of the packege, pixeldemo is the name of the package
[02:31] <easynintendo> cant you h3sp4wn?
[02:31] <Hazar> how do you do that?
[02:31] <easynintendo> i dont know that part =P
[02:31] <h3sp4wn_> Hazar: Boot in recovery mode and run sudo ddcprobe | grep monitorrange
[02:31] <easynintendo> hes not on kubuntu
[02:31] <Hazar> on suse
[02:31] <easynintendo> hes on suse, but noobody in #suse would help him
[02:31] <easynintendo> or anyone else
[02:31] <easynintendo> so i reffered him here because at least people answer you in here
[02:32] <Hazar> well, I guess it doesn't matter now, since I can't get any monitor output now
[02:32] <Hazar> great...
[02:32] <easynintendo> your monitor is broken now hazar?
[02:32] <Hazar> no
[02:32] <Hazar> it's on
[02:32] <h3sp4wn_> Hazar: Can you get to a terminal (ctrl alt F1) when its out of range
[02:32] <Hazar> dunno what happened
[02:32] <Hazar> one sec
[02:33] <joscha_> sysrpl: dpkg -L doesn doesn't work on the .deb file. dpkg -L works on the datebase, where all informations about your installed software is saved
[02:33] <h3sp4wn_> Hazar: Running kde or gnome ?
[02:33] <easynintendo> hazar you might could re install your suse and choose your resolution and refresh at the end of the install process (if you hadnt been able to do anything in suse re installing wont hurt anything)
[02:33] <easynintendo> choosing 640 x 480  @ 60hz would work 100% for sure
[02:33] <easynintendo> on any monitor
[02:33] <easynintendo> so
[02:33] <sysrpl> joscha_: so how did you know it was known as pixeldemo in the database?
[02:34] <h3sp4wn_> Reinstalling is almost never necessary
[02:34] <joscha_> sysrpl: and in the database the name of the program is saved, not the filename it was installed with
[02:34] <danl> yakuake is the name... thanks
[02:34] <sysrpl> and not pixeldemo_1.0.524-1_i386 ?
[02:34] <easynintendo> no i know that, but it might be easier if he cant get any normal method to readily work
[02:34] <easynintendo> wait
[02:34] <joscha_> sysrpl: normaly the name which ich saved in the database is the first part of the filename
[02:34] <vem0m> anyone know of a decent bittorrent client i have tried azureus but uses too many resources....ktorrent didn't work with a tracker of mine and bittornado doesn't have IP filtering
[02:34] <easynintendo> he can boot into recovery mode using his suse CD
[02:34] <h3sp4wn_> If he is going to reinstall he may as well install kubuntu
[02:34] <easynintendo> and itll give hima  640 x 480 @60hz console
[02:34] <Hazar> lawl
[02:34] <Hazar> it worked before
[02:34] <Hazar> but I was installing the ati drivers
[02:34] <sysrpl> so to unitnstall i don't need the deb package?
[02:34] <Hazar> and rand this config scrip
[02:35] <Hazar> and then it set it out of range
[02:35] <easynintendo> ah the ati drivers screwed you
[02:35] <joscha_> sysrpl: normaly the filename is <packagename>_<version>-<packageversion>.deb
[02:35] <Hazar> yeah
[02:35] <Hazar> I was trying to get the xgl thing to work
[02:35] <h3sp4wn_> No the script probable messed it up
[02:35] <easynintendo> yea, can he recover it?
[02:35] <easynintendo> hazar
[02:35] <easynintendo> use your suse install CD
[02:35] <sysrpl> i can just do sudo -r pixeldemo to unistall?
[02:35] <easynintendo> to boot into recovery mode
[02:35] <easynintendo> its one of the options
[02:35] <sysrpl> uninstall
[02:35] <joscha_> sysrpl: correct
[02:35] <easynintendo> then youll get a working console
[02:35] <easynintendo> :)
[02:35] <Hazar> I can't get any monitor output yet
[02:35] <sysrpl> ty!
[02:35] <easynintendo> oh
[02:36] <easynintendo> then it might be your monitor
[02:36] <Hazar> dunno if my vid card is borked
[02:36] <easynintendo> if its not working at all
[02:36] <Hazar> or that
[02:36] <h3sp4wn_> If xgl is installed it will almost certainly have messed alot of stuff up
[02:36] <vem0m> anyone?
[02:36] <sysrpl> how does pixel look to you?
[02:36] <easynintendo> try the monitor on another machine
[02:36] <easynintendo> if it still doesnt work ur video card is fried
[02:36] <easynintendo> i mean if it works
[02:36] <easynintendo> if it doesnt work then its the monitor
[02:36] <Hazar> yer
[02:36] <joscha_> dpkg --help will give you more informations on what u can do with all the debs...
[02:36] <h3sp4wn_> Hazar: Can you get the bios screen ?
[02:37] <joscha_> sysrpl: look nice, but nothing for me... i prefer opensource software
[02:37] <sensei> How much does pixel look ?
[02:37] <sensei> Cost*
[02:37] <sysrpl> i prefer open source too
[02:37] <joscha_> 32$ according to the web-page
[02:37] <sysrpl> but this looks so much better than any open source image editor
[02:38] <joscha_> sysrpl: tried krita?
[02:38] <sysrpl> no
[02:38] <sensei> Tried gimp?
[02:38] <vem0m> so none has recomendations?
[02:38] <sysrpl> i've tried gimp
[02:39] <sysrpl> the ui is a big part of any image editor i want to use
[02:39] <sensei> vem0m: For what ? Haven't been following
[02:39] <vem0m> anyone know of a decent bittorrent client i have tried azureus but uses too many resources....ktorrent didn't work with a tracker of mine and bittornado doesn't have IP filtering
[02:39] <omeow> vem0m: Opera.
[02:39] <sensei> For me it's features.. I can learn any UI, but I prefer to not code my own functionality
[02:39] <vem0m> for bittorrent?
[02:39] <joscha_> sysrpl: u should have a look on krita, its still a bit buggy and far from finish
[02:39] <sensei> ctorrent
[02:39] <usp8riot> someone having a prob with pixel32? me too
[02:40] <usp8riot> i get a totally blank window
[02:40] <vem0m> it needs to have ip filtering
[02:40] <omeow> http://opera.com/products/desktop/
[02:40] <sensei> There's a python torrent client as well
[02:40] <sysrpl> and i am used to the pixel/photoshop/paintshop ui design with layer palletes and tool palletes and a tool option window based on whatever tool you have selected
[02:40] <h3sp4wn_> rtorrent but it will still probably have problems with some trackers (as does ctorrent)
[02:40] <sensei> pytorrent I *think*, but a simple google on torrent client python or whatever should do it
[02:40] <Hazar> its the video card people
[02:40] <Hazar> :\
[02:40] <Hazar> 9800 pro, that I added a custom cooler to even :\
[02:41] <joscha_> sysrpl: krita is already installed on kubuntu 6.06... just have a look
[02:41] <h3sp4wn_> Hazar: So you can't even get the bios screen ?
[02:41] <sysrpl> and pixel is designed with a toolkit i have 10 years work on
[02:41] <Hazar> no
[02:41] <sysrpl> okay
[02:41] <Hazar> no display at all
[02:41] <Hazar> but it works on my 7800gt on this comp
[02:41] <omeow> (opera currently has some serious problems with their modeling agency so they had to hire drug addicts from the street)
[02:41] <Hazar> as dual display lawlz
[02:41] <sysrpl> checking out krita now
[02:41] <McScruff> are ubuntuforums.org down?
[02:42] <h3sp4wn_> yeo
[02:42] <easynintendo> hazar
[02:42] <easynintendo> did you get any help?
[02:42] <Hazar> well, it's a bit beyond help now
[02:42] <Hazar> video card died I think
[02:42] <h3sp4wn_> He needs #hardware or something
[02:42] <Hazar> I'll check it later
[02:42] <Hazar> lawl
[02:42] <easynintendo> oh
[02:42] <sensei> omeow: Huh?
[02:42] <easynintendo> ok
[02:43] <Hazar> what I really need is #someonebuymenewhardware
[02:43] <omeow> (sensei: http://opera.com/products/desktop/  the model on the left)
[02:43] <h3sp4wn_> Hazar: You need to fix it if it is possible
[02:44] <Hazar> lol, I'll try
[02:44] <sysrpl> joscha_: ty again for the krita tip ... it has the kind of UI i am accostumed to in an image editor
[02:44] <Hazar> but it's not imperative
[02:44] <h3sp4wn_>  Hazar: I would never use a script to install videocard drivers
[02:44] <Hazar> my linux machine was just kind of all my spare parts
[02:45] <sensei> omeow: What about her? :)
[02:45] <sysrpl> it has a few issues i already noticed though
[02:45] <sensei> She looks like a drug addict ?
[02:45] <omeow> Read my earlier line again. =P
[02:45] <omeow> (*hopes it's not sensei's sister)
[02:45] <McScruff> im trying to stream from gamespot, it opens kaffeine to play it and kaffeine says no plugin to handle it
[02:45] <sensei> I do agree, it's a less compelling picture
[02:45] <sensei> Hehe no
[02:45] <sensei> Especially the way it's cut
[02:46] <sensei> I know one of the webmasters on Opera tho, I'll give him hell for that one :)
[02:46] <candice> Alright, I've just changed root's password, but kdesu is still telling me it's incorrect.
[02:46] <sensei> (unless it's his sister)
[02:46] <omeow> haha
[02:46] <omeow> You should see their intro page. It's horrible. (Flash anim and all)
[02:46] <omeow> http://opera.com/
[02:46] <omeow> "Trendy" people that are just wrong.
[02:47] <candice> Anyone know how to make kdesu get a clue about who's boss?
[02:47] <sensei> Remember that they're a money making company just like any
[02:47] <uuuubsd> opera sux
[02:47] <sensei> And believe it or not, it's not us geeks they make their money on :)
[02:47] <omeow> (the "guy" with sunglasses is a girl in the anim :L)
[02:47] <omeow> for what reason, vem0m?
[02:48] <uuuubsd> opera has poor UI, not support DCOM, doesn't render page correctly
[02:48] <vem0m> its slow and buggy and they tried to sell it when its based on somthing that is better as free(mosilla) and is as bad with spyware ETc as IE for windows
[02:49] <vem0m> mozilla*
[02:49] <omeow> hahah
[02:49] <sensei> uuuubsd: It does render correctly, it's web programmers that's not programming correctly
[02:49] <omeow> I'm not even going to argue with that.
[02:49] <omeow> lata d00dz
[02:49] <sensei> vem0m: Spyware? Forget it man
[02:49] <uuuubsd> yes why would anyone want to pay for it(opera) when there's something free and better(mozilla)
[02:50] <sensei> uuuubsd: Because you can't run mozilla everywhere
[02:50] <sensei> As I said, us geeks aren't their primary market
[02:50] <vem0m> sensei: yes yes u can
[02:50] <uuuubsd> who is then
[02:50] <vem0m> sensei:  u gotta compile it and its open source unlike opera
[02:51] <sensei> uuuubsd: They focus on the embedded market
[02:51] <sensei> vem0m: gl hf running mozilla on a 2mb handheld
[02:51] <uuuubsd> so good luck to them then i don't care about commercial embed market
[02:51] <vem0m> hehe i wouldn't want to run any internet on a handheld with that small memory
[02:51] <sensei> Then don't condemn it
[02:52] <sensei> It doesn't 'suck' just because it doesn't do exactly what you want
[02:52] <sensei> Heck, I wanna ride a bike, does that make porche suck?
[02:52] <vem0m> they captilize on others work and make it worse with bugs
[02:52] <uuuubsd> it doesn't rock because it only does your job
[02:52] <sensei> Eh, what kind of reasoning is that ?
[02:53] <sensei> "This client does what it's supposed to do damn well, but it doesn't do what I want, hence it sucks".. great thinking
[02:53] <uuuubsd> like, you like eating apple, does this mean apple is the best fruit?
[02:53] <joscha_> sysrpl: do you know which toolkit is used in pixel?
[02:53] <sensei> Poor analogy. Apple is the best fruit for people who NEED to eat apple
[02:53] <vem0m> mozilla is good and should be free not sold as a buggy browser bottom line
[02:53] <sensei> Such as those with 2mb handhelds
[02:54] <vem0m> 2mb handhelds should not be on internet as everysite is at least 2x bigger then thier memory bank
[02:54] <uuuubsd> lets talk about 128KB handheld, can opera run on it? no..
[02:55] <h3sp4wn_> My mobile phone can use opera-mini if it needs to pretty well
[02:55] <sensei> Do they even do outwards communication other than IR ? o.O
[02:55] <vem0m> lol
[02:56] <sensei> I do however refuse to engage in a debate regarding which devices belongs on the internet or not :)
[02:56] <vem0m> i mean a site uses alot more then 2mb to even load cache, cookies, imgs, etc and ur browser and other crap taking space means very little space to do anythign so hence if u got that small of a handheld its your ownfault for trying to access the web
[02:56] <h3sp4wn_> It can use html pages (it only has 4.5mb of flash altogether) but if I need it I can use it
[02:57] <h3sp4wn_> vem0m: You are wrong
[02:57] <vem0m> i said SITE not feed
[02:57] <h3sp4wn_> opera mini allows me to look at any site on a phone
[02:57] <h3sp4wn_> Never run out of memory yet
[02:57] <ubuntu> anyone know why i would suddenly have a password dialog popup at ubuntuforums?
[02:58] <vem0m> yes but i can do that with my phones browser
[02:58] <vem0m> forums are down
[02:58] <ubuntu> oic. thanks.
[02:58] <ubuntu> thought i had hosed my install. heh
[02:58] <CzarAlex`> If I want to install ubuntu and dual boot an existing windowsXP installation, do I want the Desktop CD or the Alternate Install CD? The XP installation is on a separate hard drive from the one the ubuntu install will go on.
[03:02] <h3sp4wn_> Either
[03:02] <vem0m> my point is they are injustly charging ppl for something that is free and are like microsoft they add bugs trying to improve an already fully functional better browser base that is my point
[03:02] <h3sp4wn_> They are not charging people for anything
[03:02] <vem0m> they used to charge for opera
[03:02] <h3sp4wn_> They don't now
[03:02] <uuuubsd> totally agree with vem0m
[03:02] <CzarAlex`> h3sp4wn_, was that `Either` in response to my question?
[03:02] <h3sp4wn_> Yes
[03:02] <CzarAlex`> h3sp4wn_, thanky.
[03:02] <sensei> That's a while ago, and the mozilla relics are more or less gone anyways
[03:02] <sensei> The share plugin support, but that's in the interest of users, not money making I suppose
[03:02] <vem0m> but its still BAAAD
[03:02] <vem0m> no its always based on mozilla
[03:02] <sensei> Haha you have yet to come with a valid argument
[03:02] <h3sp4wn_> They are the only people really innovating
[03:02] <vem0m> i have come with 3 valid ones
[03:02] <vem0m> whats innovation bugs?
[03:02] <vem0m> leave me out of it
[03:02] <uuuubsd> opera always try to meet what mozilla can do, DCOM, CSS..
[03:02] <sensei> Always based on mozilla? :O
[03:02] <vem0m> yep has since the start they never coded thier own base
[03:02] <uuuubsd> opera claim it can do this and that, but never so
[03:02] <sensei> Yeah, I'm sure opera implemented CSS because mozilla did it first
[03:02] <sensei> And yeah, of course it was mozilla inventing CSS
[03:02] <uuuubsd> you are in an opersource software channel, sensei, stop talking about a commercial, market driven software..
[03:02] <vem0m> they copy and add bugs to the mozilla core code
[03:02] <vem0m> lol
[03:03] <serenity> how can i add chmod +x ~/.Xauthority to my kubuntu startup?
[03:03] <sensei> vem0m: Okay, now *that* statement requires some backup
[03:03] <vem0m> ok run 9.0 opera there is all the backup needed heck run 8.1
[03:03] <joscha_> opera is based on mozilla?
[03:03] <vem0m> yep
[03:03] <joscha_> sure?
[03:03] <sensei> vem0m: Adding bugs to mozilla core code?
[03:04] <uuuubsd> compare opera to mozilla is like comparing windows media player to mplayer
[03:04] <vem0m> yep trying to fix what is not need be fixed
[03:04] <sensei> vem0m: But at the end of the day, isn't it up to the mozilla people to accept the suggested changes?
[03:04] <candice> Alright, I need a little help here.
[03:04] <vem0m> yes they keep it light bug free and FREE
[03:05] <vem0m> candice: whats up?
[03:05] <sensei> And if this is the case (which I will doubt endlessly until you back it up with a reliable source), doesn't that mean that they give back to the community you claim (without proof) that they're stealing from ?
[03:05] <joscha_> opera is a older then mozilla, how can it be based on mozilla?
[03:05] <sensei> vem0m: Opera is still free
[03:05] <sensei> joscha_: That's pure bull
[03:05] <uuuubsd> joscha_ you on crak or something?
[03:05] <candice> vem0m: I've changed root's password.su recognized the new one, but sudo and kdesu don't.
[03:05] <vem0m> operas own browser is the reliable(well unreliable) source
[03:05] <vem0m> ehhhhhhhh hmmm
[03:05] <vem0m> u chang it in KDE?
[03:05] <usp8riot> does anyone here use opera? and is there media plugins for opera on linux?
[03:05] <sensei> vem0m: So you recognize mozilla code just by running opera?
[03:06] <andrew__> ive just tried setting my mx1000 up using the guide on the wiki and the back and fwd keys dont work
[03:06] <vem0m> its on thier info page!
[03:06] <andrew__> anyone?
[03:06] <usp8riot> i tried opera today and it seems like a great browser other than the interface is pretty busy
[03:06] <sensei> vem0m: What is ?
[03:06] <candice> vem0m: Yeah, through System Settings> Users & Groups.
[03:06] <vem0m> use firefox
[03:06] <joscha_> Opera began in 1994 as a research project at Telenor, the largest Norwegian telecommunications company. (wikipedia)
[03:06] <vem0m> i dunno why not sorry :(
[03:06] <uuuubsd> firefox has extensions, opera has any?
[03:06] <joscha_> the mozilla source was released about the year 98?
[03:07] <candice> That's alright. Anyone else have a clue?
[03:07] <vem0m> yes then they used mozilla core code it is mozilla just crap
[03:07] <sensei> hah
[03:07] <candice> Or maybe I should come online when people aren't arguing about browser preference.
[03:07] <sensei> vem0m: Give me the url
[03:07] <vem0m> lol
[03:07] <vem0m> look into the info inside the browser!
[03:07] <vem0m> its all right there
[03:07] <serenity> how can i add chmod +x ~/.Xauthority to my kubuntu startup?
[03:08] <vem0m> anyways i am thu debating the sad truth to ppl who do not want to hear whats really going on CONVO OVER!
[03:08] <sensei> Info inside the browser?
[03:08] <joscha_> opera:about doesn't give any clue on mozilla
[03:08] <joscha_> just openssl, zlib,...
[03:09] <andrew__> anone know when kubuntu forums will be back?
[03:09] <sensei> Hah, I've never heard or seen anyone claim so much, and so much rubbish without being able to even back it up just the slightest
[03:09] <uuuubsd> yes forget it, vem0m, they not gonna face it anyway, bunch of losers they are
[03:09] <ucordes> can any body tell me how i can manage cpu speed?
[03:09] <vem0m> wow uses same interface as mozilla? hehe wow thats enough right there anyways last word on it use the paid crap
[03:09] <sensei> IT'S FREE GODDAMNIT!
[03:09] <candice> Too bad I've run out of shut up tickets for today.
[03:09] <sensei> Stop using the 'cost money' argment already
[03:10] <joscha_> its only free as in beer
[03:10] <vem0m> chill its not its closed propriety i don't count that as free i count that as waiting for a less buggy version to start charging again no more on the topic comes from em
[03:10] <sensei> vem0m: You said 'paid crap' implying not free as in free beer
[03:11] <uuuubsd> it doesn't matter, it's still not open source and not freely distributed as mozilla/firefox
[03:11] <h3sp4wn_> It isn't buggy it just conforms to standards
[03:11] <candice> For everyone's sake, will you guys just stop caring already?
[03:11] <vem0m> lol i am iggy listing ppl
[03:11] <CheeseBurgerMan> What isn't?
[03:11] <vem0m> so no more from me
[03:11] <h3sp4wn_> Opera
[03:11] <sensei> vem0m: No wonder..
[03:11] <ucordes> how can i set my cou core speed? like with acpi
[03:12] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yeah, Opera isn't open-source, even if it's now in the Ubuntu repos. Regardless, it's a fine browser. :)
[03:12] <candice> Konqueror works for me. No reason for a specialized app.
[03:12] <sensei> ucordes: You mean as in twiddling with /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ ?
[03:13] <CheeseBurgerMan> candice: I rather like Flock, but whatever floats your boat. :)
[03:13] <joscha_> opera uses Qt, firefox GTK+
[03:13] <candice> CheeseBurgerMan: No idea what Flock is. :P
[03:13] <joscha_> thats a point for opera ;)
[03:13] <CheeseBurgerMan> candice: http://flock.com :P
[03:13] <vem0m> i use firefox :)
[03:13] <uuuubsd> firefox doesn't have to use gtk
[03:13] <sensei> Personally I couldn't care less which browser anyone else uses, it's the flat out preposterous and somewhat funny arguments that 'bothers' me
[03:14] <uuuubsd> you can recompile firefox without gtk, cuz it's open source, but with opera, you have to use qt no matter you like or not
[03:14] <candice> Finally! Someone who says "couldn't care less" correctly! :D
[03:14] <uuuubsd> because opera is closed source
[03:14] <sensei> uuuubsd: Yeah, I usually chose my browser for the capability of compiling it against another tk
[03:14] <joscha_> uuuubsd: that is clear... but you can't compile firefox with Qt either ;)
[03:14] <vem0m> YaY
[03:15] <sensei> And you complain over operas UI.. Yeah, ff looks soo nice without gtk
[03:15] <sensei> So, which way is it ?
[03:15] <joscha_> i use konqui and sometimes ff and opera, it doesn't matter
[03:16] <candice> joscha_ is a very smart individual.
[03:16] <candice> Still no solution to my root problem. Gonna try rebooting.
[03:16] <joscha_> but saying opera steels the sourcecode from firefox is simply not true
[03:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> candice: What problem?
[03:17] <uuuubsd> that's the point, we don't know what source code it "steels" from
[03:17] <uuuubsd> but mozilla's development is more transparent
[03:17] <OOD> it's 'steals" btw ;)
[03:18] <andrew__> is there even a plural of 'steel'?
[03:18] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yeah
[03:18] <CheeseBurgerMan> Steel
[03:18] <sensei> uuuubsd: You don't know what source code they steal.. but you know THAT they steal ?
[03:18] <joscha_> uuuubsd: who guarantes that nobody in possesion of operas sourcecode comited parts of it in mozilla?
[03:18] <andrew__> yeah i meant but not like 'steals'
[03:18] <andrew__> er
[03:18] <andrew__> 'steels'
[03:19] <uuuubsd> my friend who works in opera told me it steals code bit by bit from everywhere
[03:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> andrew__: 'Steel' is like 'Deer'. The same word is singular and plural. For example: Two pieces of steel were embedded in concrete
[03:19] <joscha_> opera renders pages complety different than ff or konquoror
[03:19] <andrew__> CheeseBurgerMan: figured
[03:19] <sensei> uuuubsd: Okay, this is interesting.. I know two people at Opera. Give me your friends name, and I'll check that out.
[03:19] <joscha_> uuuubsd: it "steals" code from openssl, thats true and legal.
[03:20] <sensei> Give me his name or forever stf*
[03:20] <uuuubsd> why should i give out privacy, friend is friend
[03:20] <uuuubsd> you don't believe me, end of convo
[03:20] <sensei> Privacy? It's his professional job. Has nothing to do with privacy.
[03:20] <uuuubsd> it's not like i'm trying to prove anything
[03:21] <joscha_> cause u can't prove anything ;)
[03:21] <uuuubsd> no need to do so
[03:21] <vem0m> lmfao
[03:21] <sensei> And, as you probably already know, having friends at opera etc, they work in teams there, so his supervisor most likely already knows. So no worries there
[03:21] <vem0m> leave it be they just love to bait
[03:21] <vem0m> hence i am blocking a few ppl :P
[03:21] <vem0m> if i don't see what they say no bait to be taken
[03:22] <OOD> how do you block?
[03:22] <sensei>  /ignore nick
[03:22] <CheeseBurgerMan> /ignore <nick> should work
[03:22] <andrew__> ok enough opera shit figure out why my friggen back forward doesn;t work on my mx1000
[03:22] <joscha_> /ignore <nick>
[03:22] <CheeseBurgerMan> darn
[03:22] <OOD> thanks
[03:22] <sponix> Inst bind9 (1:9.3.2-2ubuntu1 Ubuntu:6.06/dapper) --> shutdown/reboot scripts hang, the system itself will still switch virtual consoles, but it doesn't let me type, or respond to anything
[03:22] <vem0m> lol
[03:22] <OOD> which repository is opera in?
[03:23] <andrew__> i typed this w?/xvkbd
[03:23] <sponix> OOD:  one sec, I'll get it
[03:23] <jimmy__> sup ya'll
[03:23] <crimsun> sponix: any OOPS/panic in dmesg?
[03:23] <h3sp4wn_> OOD: You can just get the deb from opera.com
[03:23] <sponix> deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ unstable non-free
[03:23] <sponix> # deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ stable non-free
[03:23] <crimsun> that's old.
[03:23] <crimsun> Use http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/pool/main/o/opera/
[03:24] <joscha_> is this a dynamical linked version? the version from opera.com is static
[03:24] <OOD> nice
[03:24] <sponix> crimsun:  didn't look there, I can grep the logs, but chances are dmesg is already written over
[03:24] <crimsun> or: deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu dapper-commercial main
[03:24] <jimmy__> anyone here know their stuff?
[03:24] <h3sp4wn_> joscha: Its not or wasn't for me (5 mins ago)
[03:24] <sponix> crimsun:  is yours better? its the actual ubuntu company, instead of opera comp aye ;)
[03:24] <jimmy__> I got something that has stumped everyone I know
[03:24] <joscha_> its not dynamic ot its not static? ;)
[03:25] <jimmy__> but it seems simple
[03:25] <h3sp4wn_> opera_9.0-20060616.6-shared-qt_en_i386.deb
[03:25] <joscha_> ah thanks, then i should upgrade the next days
[03:26] <jimmy__> being a nebiw I cant really help anyone think though, my specialty is windows
[03:26] <joscha_> windows? whats that? ;)
[03:26] <jimmy__> lol
[03:26] <gemidjy> hole in the wall
[03:26] <jimmy__> I broke mine
[03:26] <gemidjy> protected with glass, afaik
[03:27] <joscha_> apt-get install windows doesn't work for me ;)
[03:27] <sensei> jimmy__: So what is your problem?
[03:27] <jimmy__> just installed kubuntu
[03:27] <candice> Well, that didn't do much. :/
[03:28] <sensei> Yeah, major crisis ;)
[03:28] <vem0m> kubuntu rock(i love KDE!)
[03:28] <jimmy__> everything works perfect from where I am sitting
[03:28] <jimmy__> except....
[03:28] <sensei> If it wasn't for that KDE stole code from the leaked windows 2000 code :/
[03:28] <RawSewage> joscha_,  it's  sudo apt-get install windows-desktop
[03:28] <jimmy__> I have a 4" black border on my screen
[03:29] <candice> jimmy__: Are you using an LCD monitor?
[03:29] <joscha_> RawSewage: in which repo can i find windows-desktop? doesn't work for me either
[03:29] <jimmy__> I feel like I'm looking through a port hole at you guys
[03:29] <RawSewage> joscha_, lol
[03:29] <jimmy__> yes (on a laptop)
[03:30] <CheeseBurgerMan> joscha_: deb http://ubuntu.com/main/restricted/w/what-are-you-thinking/
[03:30] <candice> jimmy__: Same thing happened to a friend of mine. It's probably just because you're using a smaller screen resolution than that of the monitor.
[03:30] <CheeseBurgerMan> :P
[03:30] <jimmy__> like a big black picture frame
[03:30] <candice> jimmy__: Are you able to increase the resolution?
[03:30] <joscha_> jimmy__: strg + alt
[03:30] <jimmy__> nope
[03:31] <joscha_> jimmy__: strg + alt + "+"
[03:31] <joscha_> does this help?
[03:31] <jimmy__> strg?
[03:31] <joscha_> oh sorry
[03:31] <joscha_> ctrl
[03:31] <candice> strg?
[03:31] <sensei> ctrl
[03:31] <candice> Haha.
[03:31] <jimmy__> lol
[03:31] <joscha_> strg on german keyboards
[03:31] <jimmy__> ahh
[03:31] <sponix> crimsun:  no errors that I can tell in dmesg or my /var/log/all.log (logs _everything_ from syslog) ... do you have bind9 installed currently ?
[03:31] <crimsun> sponix: no.
[03:32] <sponix> crimsun:  darn, it would be nice to find someone else with the same scripts, I can probably just rewrite them, and change kill to kill -9 on the PID and make them work though :P
[03:32] <candice> Well, just in case anyone who knows came online while I was gone...
[03:33] <candice> Sudo and kdesu aren't recognizing my new root password, but su is. What's the deal?
[03:33] <sponix> crimsun:  wine OSS gives me a issue with a error also, but its low priority imho ;)
[03:33] <jimmy__> do I have to use that command in konsole?
[03:33] <h3sp4wn_> candice: So you set a password for root and then you are trying to use that password with sudo ?
[03:34] <joscha_> jimmy__: just press all 3 buttons at the same time: ctrl alt "+"
[03:34] <candice> h3sp4wn_: Yeah, and kdesu. Kdesu is more important, though.
[03:34] <jimmy__> 1917 possibilities
[03:34] <candice> Do those not use the root account?
[03:34] <CheeseBurgerMan> sudo & kdesu are set to use your user password. I would imagine that if you compiled your own KDE then kdesu would work 'properly'.
[03:34] <h3sp4wn_> candice: No they use your ordinary password (in kubuntu)
[03:35] <jimmy__>  I get nothing
[03:35] <candice> h3sp4wn_: Crap... then how can I get root access to programs from someone else's account?
[03:35] <candice> I'm trying to make this work for my mother, you see.
[03:35] <CheeseBurgerMan> candice: Use that user's password...
[03:35] <joscha_> candice: do you hace several user accounts?
[03:36] <h3sp4wn_> candice: Put her into the admin group
[03:36] <GullyFoyle>  /quit
[03:36] <GullyFoyle> oops
[03:36] <OOD> why bothere typing quit when you can just click the X :D
[03:37] <usp8riot> anyone familiar with FIR filters?
[03:37] <candice> CheeseBurgerMan: Problem is, I don't have another user set up yet, and I don't want to keep asking for her to type her password for me.
[03:37] <candice> joscha_: I think that also answeres your question. In short: no.
[03:37] <jimmy__> any one else have a clue?
[03:37] <usp8riot> i'm looking for a good sound processor for xmms
[03:37] <lucas_> how can i get a list of all the multiverse packages?
[03:37] <joscha_> candice: check if the user is in the group admin
[03:37] <candice> h3sp4wn: What exactly will that do?
[03:37] <h3sp4wn_> candice: Any user in admin can do sudo or kdesu
[03:38] <candice> h3sp4wn_: Ah, including root, yes?
[03:38] <jimmy__> from my research just about any distro has the same prob
[03:38] <joscha_> with root-password (if set) or with user-password (if root password is not set)
[03:38] <h3sp4wn_> candice: root should already be able to use sudo but you shouldn't login as root
[03:38] <candice> h3sp4wn_: I didn't. I don't think I can, anyway.
[03:39] <candice> h3sp4wn_: What I'm looking for is to be able to use the root password in kdesu while logged in as someone else.
[03:39] <lucas_> h3sp4wn_: how can i get a list of all the multiverse packages?
[03:39] <joscha_> candice: do you have set a root password
[03:39] <jimmy__> brb, fixing baby boddle
[03:40] <joscha_> sudo passwd root
[03:40] <candice> joscha_: Yeah.
[03:40] <larson9999> hmm, this site i've going to now wants me to give it a pw.  would someone try it to see if it works for them?  it's the ubuntu forum.  it used to let me read without logging in.  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[03:41] <joscha_> candice: mmmmh that works for me
[03:41] <CheeseBurgerMan> joscha_: OK, run 'kdesu kate', type the root password in, and see what happens.
[03:41] <lucas_> h3sp4wn_: found out
[03:41] <joscha_> woa
[03:41] <vem0m> kdesu never worked well for me i always use sudo kate
[03:42] <CheeseBurgerMan> larson9999: Hmm, not working for me either.
[03:42] <joscha_> it really doesn't work ;)
[03:42] <vem0m> lol
[03:42] <vem0m> sudo kate works for me
[03:42] <larson9999> CheeseBurgerMan: ok.  then it's not me.  it usually is just me.
[03:42] <CheeseBurgerMan> larson9999: hehe, not this time. :P
[03:43] <joscha_> candice: did you try to logoff on on already?
[03:43] <larson9999> CheeseBurgerMan: they must be having some problems.
[03:43] <jimmy__> ok back
[03:43] <jimmy__> need help
[03:43] <candice> joscha_: Yeah, I did. Had to bug my mother again for her password to log on. :P
[03:43] <vem0m> ok whats up?
[03:43] <larson9999> what did i do to get all those ch nicks to popup?
[03:43] <jimmy__> laptop with a 6" screen
[03:43] <vem0m> SMALL
[03:43] <vem0m> :P
[03:43] <CheeseBurgerMan> candice: Can't you just run the apps from the terminal after running 'su'?
[03:44] <jimmy__> kubuntu won let me use the rest of the screen
[03:44] <CheeseBurgerMan> larson9999: you type 'ch' and then press Tab.
[03:44] <CheeseBurgerMan> It will then give a box with all the nicks that start with 'Ch'
[03:44] <h3sp4wn_> candice: Just get her to run sudo -i - and then make a new user
[03:44] <vem0m> jimmy__:  elaborate
[03:45] <jimmy__> ok
[03:45] <candice> h3sp4wn_: And I'll  be able to use that user's password with kdesu?
[03:45] <larson9999> CheeseBurgerMan: oh, i guess i've always typed in at 3 char.  that's hard to believe though
[03:45] <jimmy__> live cd looked beautiful. I loved it I wanted it
[03:45] <vem0m> jimmy__:  did u run xf86config
[03:45] <jimmy__> I installed it
[03:45] <larson9999> CheeseBurgerMan: been using this chat client for 2 years or so.
[03:45] <h3sp4wn_> candice: When you are logged in as that user
[03:46] <jimmy__> konsole?
[03:46] <h3sp4wn_> candice: If that user is in admin
[03:46] <vem0m> jimmy__:  u might need to configure X11 by running that command
[03:46] <CheeseBurgerMan> larson9999: Dang, that's one of the coolest features of IRC.
[03:46] <candice> h3sp4wn_: Well, that's a lot simple than I expected. I was thinking I'd have to keep using the original user's password. :P
[03:46] <jimmy__> I'm new, but I learn fast
[03:46] <vem0m> jimmy__: yes then u will need to reboot to check settings
[03:46] <candice> Well, there's my answer. Thanks guys, and sorry for the confusion. :P
[03:46] <vem0m> jimmy__: with that program u can set ur settings
[03:46] <larson9999> CheeseBurgerMan: do other clients do that, too?  and how long has that been in use?  i've been on irc since the mid 90's
[03:47] <jimmy__> I just that command?
[03:47] <h3sp4wn_> candice: As your mum's user run 'groups' and make sure the new user you create is in all of those
[03:47] <CheeseBurgerMan> CheeseBurgerMan: Yeah, all clients that I've seen have done it. Not sure how long it's been there, but since I've been on IRC (which was about a year ago)
[03:47] <candice> h3sp4wn_: Got it. Doing now...
[03:48] <vem0m> jimmy__:  goto konsole type sudo xf86config go thu and configure settings then reboot after ur done and hope for the best
[03:49] <jimmy__> cool doing it now
[03:49] <CheeseBurgerMan> xf86config?  Sounds like it'll only work if you have XFree86  instead of X11.
[03:49] <candice> h3sp4wn_: Every group except "candice", I'll assume?
[03:49] <jimmy__> talk about a crash course in linux
[03:49] <CheeseBurgerMan> At least, it doesn't work for me.
[03:49] <larson9999> heck, i think my first nicke was stlouism23. using the same convention my nick would be stlouism39.  has irc been that long?  it was long enough that to play backgammon on irc, it was text mode.
[03:49] <vem0m> yea but it works for me
[03:49] <h3sp4wn_> candice: Yep
[03:49] <vem0m> so its worth a try u tell it to save over ur current X11 config file
[03:50] <vem0m> i mean on first boot with any distro i have a small monitor so i have to run it to fix the setting to get into the desktop to do anything but it works
[03:50] <joscha_> X11 autoconfiguration in (k)ubuntu is a bit buggy... anybody knows why it sets up a wacom tablet on all of my pcs?
[03:51] <vem0m> as X11 sets it to to high of a resoltuion hence i need fix it lol it sucks but i am fine after first time fixing it
[03:51] <sensei> In case you got one ? :)
[03:51] <vem0m> not sure joscha_
[03:51] <candice> Alright, testing. If all goes well, you'll see me as "sabaal" in a few minutes.
[03:51] <vem0m> incase u set one up? :P
[03:51] <h3sp4wn_> CheeseBurgerMan: xorgcfg is removed from debian / ubuntu dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is the only way to do it
[03:52] <pickledbushman> molweni umfaazi:P
[03:52] <vem0m> h3sp4wn_:  not true i use xf86config
[03:52] <vem0m> :P
[03:53] <vem0m> brb
[03:53] <larson9999> can't you just edit xorg.conf?
[03:54] <h3sp4wn_> dpkg -S xf86config dpkg: *xf86config* not found. - vem0m: I doubt you do or which package is it in ?
[03:54] <jimmy__> sudo xf86config = command not found
[03:55] <milkspank> anyone know abou the 'no ipv6 routers present' notice in my dmesg? I can't connect to eth0 it seems
[03:55] <CheeseBurgerMan> jimmy__: Yeah, that's what I got. Do as h3sp4wn_ suggested and run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' instead.
[03:57] <jimmy__> k
[03:58] <joscha_> gn8
[04:01] <jimmy__> QUESTION
[04:01] <jimmy__> BUS IDENTIFIER
[04:01] <jimmy__> ?
[04:01] <jimmy__> USE DEFALT?
[04:01] <vem0m> back
[04:02] <h3sp4wn_> jimmy__: Yes
[04:03] <jimmy__> Thanx
[04:04] <TalentedChimp> i've installed all the Korean language support files I can find and still workgroup and computer names are displayed like ""
[04:10] <jimmy__> IMPS/2  <-------  is that the touch pad?
[04:11] <jimmy__> kubuntu configuration is asking me way too many questions
[04:12] <jimmy__> only had one day of linux
[04:12] <jimmy__> never thought I would have to get this deep to get my screen working
[04:13] <jimmy__> hello?
[04:13] <jimmy__> vem0m
[04:13] <jimmy__> you busy?
[04:18] <vem0m> jimmy__:  whats up?
[04:18] <vem0m> sorry was afk
[04:19] <jimmy__> no prob
[04:19] <jimmy__> questions in this config thing
[04:19] <vem0m> ok shoot
[04:19] <jimmy__> konsole
[04:20] <jimmy__> I am using mostly defalt answers
[04:20] <vem0m> ok....
[04:20] <vem0m> what can i help u with?
[04:20] <jimmy__> it asked me if my monitor talked back and communicated with the computer
[04:21] <jimmy__> then asked for a auto detect
[04:21] <vem0m> hehe if not u'd be screwed
[04:21] <jimmy__> i said ok
[04:21] <vem0m> use auto
[04:21] <jimmy__> it used the 'whole screen'
[04:21] <jimmy__> then went back to the small square
[04:22] <vem0m> hmmmmmm
[04:22] <vem0m> sounds like a resolution problem
[04:22] <jimmy__> I thought that was going to bring it back to working
[04:22] <jimmy__> now it wants me to name my screen
[04:23] <h3sp4wn_> !fixvideo
[04:23] <ubotu> I know nothing about fixvideo
[04:23] <h3sp4wn_> !fixvideoresolution
[04:23] <ubotu> I know nothing about fixvideoresolution
[04:23] <vem0m> heh it should if configured properly as i have no clue what computer model LCD etc that u have u have to basically be able to tell ppl that or figure it out to change it in that file
[04:23] <Hobbsee> !xcfg
[04:23] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart (GNOME), sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart (KDE) To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:23] <vem0m> what resolution? as that might be the problem.....
[04:24] <Hobbsee> !fixvideo is <alias> xcfg
[04:24] <ubotu> I'll remember that
[04:24] <Hobbsee> !fixvideoresolution is <alias> xcfg
[04:24] <ubotu> I'll remember that
[04:24] <Hobbsee> !resolution
[04:24] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart (GNOME), sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart (KDE) To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:24] <Hobbsee> nice.
[04:24] <easynintendo> !fixvideo
[04:24] <jimmy__> well the wierd thing is it didnt ask me what kind of monitor it was
[04:24] <jimmy__> just to name it
[04:24] <jimmy__> I guess it knew it was a laptop screen?
[04:24] <h3sp4wn_> jimmy: sudo ddcprobe | grep monitorrange
[04:25] <vem0m> hmmmmmmm i dunno dude i don't use a lappy sorry u might either ask in channel /join ubuntu and ask there or wait and post on forums when its back up and ask there
[04:25] <jimmy__> its now asking me what resolutions I want to use
[04:25] <vem0m> this sorry /join #ubuntu
[04:25] <jimmy__> thanx a ton dude
[04:27] <vem0m> np jimmy__ sorry i couldn't help more i am fairly new to linux myself but learning fast i mean i already know tons as i used harder distros b4 this one so this one is a walk in a sweet park :P
[04:28] <jimmy__> good to know
[04:32] <vem0m> FORUMS ARE BACK UP!
[04:32] <chx> hi. generally, what can be expected if I want to buy a new phone and use it as a modem for my Kubuntu laptop? I am a bit afraid as anything I look connects over USB...
[04:34] <usp8riot> anyone know what's happening? firefox starts up then quits in a blink. something about session manager is all i can read
[04:35] <SpAwN> hello....how can i restart the sound server.........i was looking at a webpage and now my speakers are bleeping
[04:35] <SpAwN> and wont stop
[04:35] <SpAwN> ive closd out of the web browser.....man is that sound annoying
[04:36] <usp8riot> have you turned off the system bell or turned it down in the mixer?
[04:36] <SpAwN> i turned my speakers off
[04:36] <SpAwN> and its not a bell....it sounds like a scratched cd
[04:37] <SpAwN> just skipping
 Is both processors appearing now ?
[04:37] <usp8riot> why not just restart?
[04:37] <SpAwN> h3sp4wn_: yes =D
[04:37] <SpAwN> usp8riot: restart what?
[04:37] <h3sp4wn_> SpAwN: with 686 kernel ?
[04:37] <usp8riot> linux
[04:37] <SpAwN> h3sp4wn_: yea
[04:37] <SpAwN> usp8riot: thats what windows users do
[04:38] <SpAwN> i bet if i can find out how to restart the sound server it will stop
[04:38] <usp8riot> i know, lol, i just converted this week
[04:38] <h3sp4wn_> SpAwN: sudo killall artsd
[04:38] <SpAwN> h3sp4wn_: nothing
[04:38] <SpAwN> still doin it
[04:39] <SpAwN> hey woow.....weird
[04:39] <melkor> I've heard a rumor that the doom.wad is now available for free, but I haven't foudn it yet
[04:40] <SpAwN> there was still running winex;s running from cedega.......
[04:40] <SpAwN> wonder why the web page caused it...
[04:40] <chx> http://tuxmobil.org/phones_linux.html oooooh
[04:40] <chx> nice page.
[04:42] <lwizardl> hi
[04:42] <usp8riot> is there a tool to configure startup services in linux?
[04:43] <lwizardl> i can not get get the nvidia drivers working in 6.06
[04:45] <usp8riot> i'll help if i can lwizardl
[04:45] <lwizardl> ok
[04:46] <usp8riot> are you using apt-get?
[04:46] <bimberi> !bum
[04:46] <ubotu> Boot options: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootOptions To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a bootfloppy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SmartBootManagerHowto
[04:46] <bimberi> usp8riot: ^^^^^^^
[04:46] <lwizardl> i have tried both glx & glx-legacy and neither work
[04:47] <lwizardl> usp8riot: yes i've tried both apt-get & synapic
[04:48] <usp8riot> i'm a noob but someone helped me with it, i was having trouble. are you running a single monitor?
[04:49] <lwizardl> yes
[04:49] <usp8riot> also don't use the kde panel, as i was told, it seemed to mess my xorg.conf up
[04:49] <oomph> anyone here have experience getting wifi adapter to work on dell latitude 800 - my card is an intel think its mini pci
[04:49] <usp8riot> any way i can check out your xorg.conf file, lwizardl?
[04:50] <sotired> hello all
[04:50] <usp8riot> mine was really messed up when i configured
[04:50] <lwizardl> i did lspci | grep nVidia and got "a Host bridge: nVidia Corporation nForce2 AGP (different version?) (rev a2)"
[04:50] <lwizardl> i removed the nvidia driver just now to redo it
[04:50] <sotired> is there a way to keep my mail on the server (not downlaod it) in kmail using my gmail account?
[04:51] <usp8riot> lwizardl: i got the same motherboard
[04:51] <lwizardl> sotired: i think imap leaves mail on server
[04:51] <sotired> i dont think gmail supports imap....
[04:51] <sotired> ill check
[04:51] <mossman> gmail supports imap as far as I remember
[04:51] <Hobbsee> mossman: not natively
[04:51] <mossman> pop3 for sure
[04:51] <sotired> so if i use imap it wont downlaod the mail?
[04:52] <sotired> no imap
[04:52] <Hobbsee> sotired: it will download the mail, and it will leave it on the server.  and if you delete locally, it auto deletes it on the server as well
[04:52] <lwizardl> imap downloads a copy of the mail but leaves the original on the server basically
[04:52] <uuuubsd> pop3 and imap are different mech
[04:52] <Hobbsee> lwizardl: i think you're confusing yourself with pop3
[04:52] <Hobbsee> pop3 does the copy
[04:52] <uuuubsd> pop3 treat your mails as a mailbox, imap doesn't
[04:53] <sotired> i just dont want the mail on my box...i wan tto be able to use kmail just to see it
[04:53] <sotired> if thats even possible
[04:53] <mossman> gmail uses a differnet port for pop3..
[04:54] <mossman> port 995 I think
[04:54] <h3sp4wn_> gmail archives it anyway even if you download it via pop
[04:54] <Hobbsee> sotired: well, it will be on your box using imap, but if you delete it on your box, it'll be autodeleted by your mail server too
[04:54] <h3sp4wn_> At any time you can just enable pop for all mail and get a complete copy of everything ever sent to that account
[04:54] <lwizardl> usp8riot: ok so what driver you use ?
[04:55] <usp8riot> lwizardl: i just did a "
[04:55] <usp8riot> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[04:56] <actinic> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-tutorials-howtos-reference-material/41552-complete-guide-using-gmail-thunderbird-mozilla-mail-evolution-kmail.html <---gmail/kmail guide
[04:56] <mossman> sotierd.  config kmail to use pop3 with your gmail account...pop.gmail.com port 995  it will workl
[04:56] <usp8riot> lwizardl: and pretty much just used the defaults
[04:56] <mossman> I think you need to enable ssl too
[04:56] <lwizardl> k i did that before and kubuntu locked up after the nvidia screen
[04:56] <actinic> port 950
[04:57] <mossman> check at gmail.com/  fa1
[04:57] <mossman> er faq
[04:57] <usp8riot> lwizardl: have you tried "nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf" to manually edit?
[04:58] <lwizardl> no not on 6.06
[04:58] <usp8riot> boot into safe mode
[04:58] <usp8riot> not safe mode but whatever linux calls it
[04:59] <usp8riot> if it makes you feel better knowing you're getting advice from a linux noob
[04:59] <mossman> nvidia is best built,  not installed
[05:00] <LittleMe> hi can I tell which network interface (eth0 or eth1) is my 3com or nForce?
[05:01] <uuuubsd> no you can't
[05:01] <uuuubsd> in bsd, you can
[05:01] <LittleMe> yeah in bsd it's nve0 and xl0 but kubuntu they are eth0 and eth1
[05:02] <lwizardl> i'm a newb also but i understand 5.10
[05:02] <mossman> eth0 has nothing to do with nforce
[05:02] <LittleMe> nforce has gbit ethernet controller
[05:03] <freewill> i can't get wine to list in my adept manager
[05:03] <lwizardl> i don't remember do i keep it listed as nv or change to nvidia
[05:03] <usp8riot> lwizardl: nvidia
[05:03] <mossman> change it to nvidia
[05:03] <LittleMe> nv is slower, nvidia is nvidia's driver
[05:04] <uuuubsd> nv is not slower, it just don't support 3D render
[05:04] <uuuubsd> nv is actually more stable than nvidia
[05:04] <lwizardl> ok let me restart x
[05:04] <LittleMe> ahh wow
[05:04] <Kevin_Jim> Pedia pios ehi to Filefly
[05:05] <Kevin_Jim> i opos to lene telos padon
[05:05] <Kevin_Jim> ???
[05:05] <LittleMe> Yesterday I did a benchmark of quake4 kubuntu vs pc-bsd (freebsd 6.1)
[05:05] <Kevin_Jim> plz !!!
[05:05] <Kevin_Jim> someone
[05:05] <LittleMe> freebsd was 10% slower... not bad
[05:05] <LittleMe> that might just be the driver performance
[05:06] <Kevin_Jim> pedia kanis den to ehi ?
[05:06] <actinic> drag & dropped a doc file to desktop BUT the icon looks like crap.  How do I change it?
[05:07] <LittleMe> right click it and select 'properties'
[05:07] <eXCeSS> right click
[05:07] <actinic> ok
[05:07] <LittleMe> then click the icon graphic and pick a new one
[05:07] <eXCeSS> easy!
[05:07] <actinic> i did and no change
[05:07] <LittleMe> there are some nice icons on the internet - do some searching :)
[05:07] <actinic> it's actually a txt file
[05:08] <actinic> the icon i see in properties is a kwrite icon ...
[05:08] <usp8riot> or go to kde looks
[05:08] <actinic> prob is that kwrite icon isn't on the desktop
[05:08] <actinic> not easy!
[05:09] <roadrunner_> hey guys, have a question again. Anything using Flash in Firefox will not play sound. It did this to me the other day, so I just uninstalled and reinstalled. Now it is doing it to me again
[05:09] <roadrunner_> the problem is Firefox specific, as the same webpages work fine in Konqueror, and sound will play from my media player... any suggestions?
[05:09] <LittleMe> bring up a shell and type 'ls /dev/dsp*'
[05:09] <LittleMe> if you see more than one dsp entry, then that could be a problem
[05:10] <roadrunner_> roadrunner@roadrunner-desktop:~$ ls /dev/dsp
[05:10] <roadrunner_> /dev/dsp
[05:10] <LittleMe> My webcam has a microphone and kubuntu thinks its a soundcard sometimes..
[05:10] <roadrunner_> that's all it showed
[05:10] <LittleMe> only one?
[05:10] <LittleMe> ahh good
[05:10] <LittleMe> no, do a dsp* in the ls
[05:10] <Kevin_Jim> pedia bori kanis na bi edo : http://www.virbiage.com/products/
[05:10] <roadrunner_> yup... like I said, sound plays out of everything else, including another browser, just not in Firefox
[05:10] <LittleMe> ah
[05:11] <roadrunner_> ls /dev/dsp*     <-- Like that?
[05:11] <freewill> i can't get wine to list in my adept manager
[05:11] <roadrunner_> meh... that gave me the same output. Has anyone else had problems with their sound in Firefox?
[05:12] <dr_willis> >hic<
[05:13] <jimmy__> ven0m
[05:13] <LittleMe> roadrunner, try swiftfox
[05:13] <actinic> drag & dropped txt file to desktop but can't change the icon. i right clicked, went to properties, selected another ... nada.  Ideas?
[05:13] <jimmy__> Hey it worked bro
[05:13] <orient2000> Can anybody tell me what program should I use to listen .ram file from internet?
[05:13] <LittleMe> http://getswiftfox.com  - try that
[05:13] <jimmy__> a 1000 thank yous
[05:13] <LittleMe> orient - real player
[05:14] <orient2000> I do not have it is it somewhere in repositories or I have to get source file?
[05:14] <roadrunner_> LittleMe: what is swift fox?
[05:14] <LittleMe> automatix can install it for you.  search google for 'automatix'
[05:14] <LittleMe> an optimized Firefox
[05:15] <freewill> can any one tell me how to install wine?
[05:15] <roadrunner_> where can I get it?
[05:15] <LittleMe> I mean automatix can install real player for you
[05:15] <LittleMe> getswiftfox.com
[05:15] <actinic> automatix can install wine too
[05:15] <dr_willis> Automatix - ick
[05:15] <dr_willis> :)
[05:15] <actinic> but the purists don't like it :)
[05:15] <dr_willis> I just used to apt-get install wine
[05:15] <mossman> Automatix is sweet
[05:16] <dr_willis> sweet like tooth decay
[05:16] <chip42> lol
[05:16] <orient2000> wow I need to take a look at automatix thanks.
[05:16] <LittleMe> why do you say that?
[05:16] <dr_willis> Ive seen a great many peoplke have their systems totally messed up by automatix, then ya had the huge flamefest/war in the message boards and about automatix's licenisng.
[05:16] <actinic> automatix for kubuntu: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=203294&highlight=kubuntu
[05:16] <dr_willis>  :) enough for me to advise - stay away.. learn how to install the stuff manually
[05:17] <LittleMe> sometimes things don't install manually in linux for strange reasons
[05:18] <LittleMe> but real player isn't hard to do, i think
[05:18] <dr_willis> Somthing seesm odd with your logic. :P all automatix is - is a HUGe bash script. (i think its bash, not perl)
[05:18] <dr_willis> Not looked at it lately
[05:19] <actinic> you can run one script at a time
[05:19] <LittleMe> willis it's updated often - more than 1nce a week
[05:19] <actinic> no need to dl 20 app's at once
[05:20] <freewill> dr_willis: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17381
[05:20] <dr_willis> thats not some GoatSE paste is it :P
[05:21] <freewill> ?
[05:21] <h3sp4wn_> dr_willis: God is everywhere ........... even in the goatse man's ........
[05:21] <dr_willis> :)
[05:22] <freewill> can't i just somewhere get a url for a .deb of wine??
[05:22] <dr_willis> !wine
[05:22] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[05:23] <dr_willis> Could be some odd server/repo issue going on.
[05:23] <LittleMe> do you want some cheeze with your wine?   j/k
[05:24] <freewill> i can't get wine to list in my adept manager
[05:24] <freewill> can't load the respositories
[05:24] <dr_willis> lets see
[05:24] <dr_willis> !easyrepo
[05:24] <LittleMe> you must add the wine repositories in your apt.list
[05:24] <ubotu> I know nothing about easyrepo
[05:24] <dr_willis> !repo
[05:24] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[05:24] <dr_willis> !easysource
[05:24] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[05:24] <dr_willis> thats it :)
[05:24] <dr_willis> To the Source-O-Mattic Bat man@!
[05:26] <roadrunner_> ok, I downloaded swiftfox... how do I go about installing it >_<
[05:26] <roadrunner_> I am a linux noob, I know... I'm used to the windows way =D
[05:26] <dr_willis> when in doubt RTF<? :P
[05:26] <dr_willis> I thoght it was a extension ya just loaded into the browser.
[05:26] <dr_willis> never used swiftfox., so cant tell ya anything
[05:26] <h3sp4wn_> freewill: Try asking in ##cooking they know alot about wine
[05:27] <h3sp4wn_> freewill: Or failing that #winehq
[05:27] <moparisthebest> what does this mean? : mount: /dev/hdc already mounted or /mnt/killer busy
[05:27] <moparisthebest> mount: /dev/hdd already mounted or /mnt/isokingdom busy
[05:27] <TalentedChimp> roadrunner is it a .deb file?
[05:27] <moparisthebest> im trying to mount ntfs drives as read only on boot
[05:27] <moparisthebest> and it always says that :S
[05:28] <LittleMe> roadrunner, there should be instructions on the swiftfox page
[05:28] <LittleMe> moparist, let me check
[05:29] <moparisthebest> wait LittleMe i got it :)
[05:29] <LittleMe> moparist, you can't do a mount of just 'hdc' you must specify the partition.  like hdc1 or hdc2
[05:29] <moparisthebest> i was using yep
[05:29] <moparisthebest> exactly :)
[05:29] <moparisthebest> thanks though
[05:29] <LittleMe> Look at /etc/fstab
[05:29] <LittleMe> dev/hdb1       /media/hdb1     ntfs    ro,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[05:30] <LittleMe> that's how I mount my ntfs volumes
[05:30] <TalentedChimp> roadrunner: swiftfox is a .tar.gz file, what do you see when you uncompress the file?
[05:31] <LittleMe> but kde doesn't browse ntfs volumes will in kubuntu..  computer slows down a LOT
[05:31] <LittleMe> at least for me..
[05:32] <LeeJunFan> isn't utf8 a bad option for ntfs and other windows filesystems?
[05:32] <moparisthebest> no according to the kubuntu tips and tricks guide
[05:33] <moparisthebest> the official one that comes with konqueror
[05:33] <unix_infidel> utf8 a bad option?
[05:33] <moparisthebest> thats how it tells you to mount an ntfs drive so its not writeable
[05:33] <unix_infidel> i thought utf8 was just a character encoding system.
[05:33] <unix_infidel> standard.
[05:33] <unix_infidel> *
[05:33] <moparisthebest> idk what LeeJunFan was talking about
[05:33] <LeeJunFan> hrm, I thought I saw something in dmesg once when I mounted an ntfs that it would make the FS case sensitive.
[05:33] <moparisthebest> oh, i guess what LittleMe said
[05:34] <moparisthebest> this is how the guide says to do it:
[05:34] <moparisthebest> sudo mount /dev/hdaX /mnt/windows/ -t ntfs -o ro,umask=0222
[05:34] <unix_infidel> i bet ya that once linux gets ntfs support down, the'll release a winfs patch and make the work week a mess.
[05:35] <actinic> moparisthebest, so does it mount?
[05:35] <moparisthebest> yep, works perfectly now
[05:35] <LeeJunFan> I get this message mounting FAT32 with utf8: FAT: utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT filesystems, filesystem will be case sensitive!
[05:35] <LittleMe> does anyone else here have problems browsing ntfs volumes in konqueror?
[05:35] <moparisthebest> not at all
[05:35] <LittleMe> I mean specifically that cpu usage goes up & computer feels jerky
[05:36] <LittleMe> gam_server goes up in cpu utilization %
[05:36] <moparisthebest> oh, possibly, ill let you know
[05:36] <LeeJunFan> I don't have any ntfs volumes right now. When I do I'm normally doing repair or forensics and use captive-ntfs
[05:36] <dr_willis> LittleMe,  never noticed it.
[05:36] <dr_willis> LittleMe,  could turn off all previews
[05:36] <LittleMe> that might help good idea
[05:36] <unix_infidel> LittleMe: what forensics tools do you use in linux?
[05:37] <LittleMe> moparist, open up KDE system guard and look at the system load tab
[05:37] <unix_infidel> erm LeeJunFan
[05:37] <moparisthebest> dr_willis, how do you turn off previews? i hate them :P
[05:37] <LittleMe> and the process table tab will show gam_server using a lot of cpu.. even after closing konqeror
[05:37] <dr_willis> moparisthebest,  i forget. :) i tend to use a terminal and mc for my file manager needs
[05:37] <LeeJunFan> unix_infidel: most of the time I get the fastest results recoving deleted/hidden stuff using recoverjpeg or testdisk
[05:38] <LittleMe> infide, not many ..  top and KDE system guard and also if the mouse pointer moves smoothly
[05:38] <dr_willis> the default settings and stuff for kde under kubuntu - could use some work. :) lol
[05:38] <LittleMe> send that in to the kubuntu team please!
[05:38] <unix_infidel> LeeJunFan: what about the tricky stuff?
[05:38] <freewill> finaly got wine http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/pool/main/w/wine/wine_0.9.16~winehq0~ubuntu~6.06-1_i386.deb
[05:38] <insanekane> dr_willis: you can always join kubuntu devel team
[05:39] <LeeJunFan> unix_infidel: nothing for law enforcement, normally just corporate stuff - people who don't trust employees.
[05:39] <LittleMe> freewill, if you add to to your sources.list it's a good idea because wine is updated often
[05:39] <unix_infidel> LeeJunFan: which is why i encrypt and shred all my sensitive files :)
[05:39] <dr_willis> insanekane,  personally i think the disrtos should have a 'set everything to the kde/gnome/whatever default style setup' :) but to each their own.
[05:39] <freewill> i'll try
[05:39] <LeeJunFan> unix_infidel: yeah, most people aren't smart.
[05:40] <dr_willis> its nice to have a tweaked kde at times... but some times i need to help someone using the default (from the kde source) setup.
[05:40] <yavinite> \help
[05:40] <h3sp4wn_> dr_willis: I think kde should be left as close as possible to how the kde dev's want it
[05:40] <nrdb> Is there anyone using gnucash with the postgresql backend out there?
[05:40] <dr_willis> then again ice noticed some live cd's have some items/things ive not  sure where they come from. Lol
[05:40] <dr_willis> h3sp4wn_,  thats one of the things i liked about Gentoo.
[05:41] <h3sp4wn_> dr_willis: Same for me with freebsd its good to be able to read generic documentation and not have stuff changed
[05:41] <h3sp4wn_> dr_willis: cups being a good recent example
[05:41] <dr_willis> but heck - every 6 mo. we gotta relearn all the little changes they did in the new release..   true most are good changes but it gets old.
[05:42] <LeeJunFan> unix_infidel: like school employees with kiddie pr0n, when I find stuff like that I let the cops have it and take ship it to the forensics lab. Since I didn't do the time in school for it my testimony won't convict anyone by itself. I'm more of a timesaver often finding things faster than sending it away to see if it's worth sending away.
[05:42] <dr_willis> Yea - some of the cups 'tweaks' are annoying.
[05:44] <unix_infidel> LeeJunFan: who do you work for?
[05:44] <unix_infidel> just an lowly IT cat?
[05:44] <unix_infidel> or dedicated forensics?
[05:44] <LeeJunFan> unix_infidel: I've got my own company, wireless internet, in a small city. But I've been known for years as the primary IT/Network guy in town.
[05:45] <LeeJunFan> unix_infidel: a lot of my friends are cops, and my wife recently (2 yrs) became a deputy, I used to get some forensics stuff years ago before there was a lab downstate (MI) for it. Now everything gets shipped there.
[05:45] <unix_infidel> LeeJunFan: yea, i live in Texas, there's always some guy who's the better IT guy in town :P
[05:46] <unix_infidel> Next on the list is exploit research and encryption cracking....
[05:46] <dr_willis> Next on the list: ' take over the world'
[05:46] <unix_infidel> dr_willis: you could do that with those two things alone.
[05:46] <dr_willis> Then  ' find a decent laundry '
[05:46] <LittleMe> another texan is doing that already
[05:46] <dr_willis> :)
[05:47] <unix_infidel> LittleMe: you obviously havent been to south east asia...
[05:47] <dr_willis> LittleMe,  Bill gates is not from Texas.
[05:47] <dr_willis> :P
[05:47] <LittleMe> hehe
[05:47] <unix_infidel> they literally have labs of students paid from 3rd party companies that faciliate cracking, of anything from sattelite firmware / codes to breaking movie encryption.
[05:48] <unix_infidel> satellite*
[05:48] <LittleMe> okay
[05:48] <dr_willis> movie encryption?
[05:48] <dr_willis> :)
[05:49] <LeeJunFan> Problem with Satellite encryption is changing private keys faster than they can be cracked.
[05:49] <dr_willis> And they got ARMIES or people playing World of Warcraft/Farming - to make Money for their EVIL plans!
[05:49] <LittleMe> unix_infidel: why do you ask me about my diagnostic tools?
[05:49] <unix_infidel> dr_willis: yea...discs and files that are passed around on the "latest releases"
[05:50] <unix_infidel> LeeJunFan: autorollers, these guys know their stuff...it works for about 2 weeks.  You see it in virtually every household in SE Asia.
[05:50] <dr_willis> I just use BitTorrent. :)
[05:50] <unix_infidel> lol @ dr_willis
[05:51] <dr_willis> Wife wanted to download last weeks Soap Operas for her..
[05:51] <LeeJunFan> netflicks & k9copy. har har!
[05:51] <dr_willis> That would be a good use of Streaming video.. for the old soaps.
[05:51] <LeeJunFan> unix_infidel: doesn't matter, the NSA probably forwards all that stuff to them anyway, they don't need bots.
[05:52] <orient2000> I can not find right link for automatix.
[05:52] <unix_infidel> LeeJunFan: lol, then i wonder how many NSA bots are planted on IRC servers thoughout the world :P
[05:52] <dr_willis> !easyubuntu
[05:52] <ubotu> EasyUbuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. For help with and discussion of easyubuntu please join #easyubuntu.
[05:52] <dr_willis> orient2000,  id advise easyubuntu over automatix
[05:52] <LittleMe> orient2000: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=138405
[05:52] <unix_infidel> not necessarily the channels. why plant them as part of a client when you have access to the servers :P
[05:53] <LeeJunFan> unix_infidel: I bet they don't bother, if they've got sniffers in the hubs for AT&T and MCI they pretty much have 70% of all internet traffic being logged.
[05:53] <dr_willis> nothing like lots of useless logs eh.
[05:53] <h3sp4wn_> Anyone know of any bomb design software for kde ? (One way to find out)
[05:53] <LeeJunFan> hahah
[05:53] <dr_willis> h3sp4wn_,  just go watch MythBusters
[05:53] <dr_willis> :)
[05:54] <unix_infidel> LeeJunFan: Heh, i never thought they would go to that extreme....but its certainly feasible.
[05:54] <LittleMe> h3sp4wn_: yes, gimp :)
[05:54] <dr_willis> or the  History channel.
[05:54] <LeeJunFan> unix_infidel: welcome to the United Police States of America.
[05:54] <h3sp4wn_> LittleMe: Gimp is not a kde app and it doesn't do any simulation type stuff
[05:54] <LittleMe> h3sp4wn_: on then try Manhatten ProjeKt
[05:55] <dr_willis> I used a FiniteElement program years ago - that could simulate situations/loads/experiments like that. :P
[05:55] <dr_willis> I forget the name..
[05:55] <orient2000> I did use easyubuntu but can not find real player maybe I am blind. It should be in media right?
[05:55] <dr_willis> !realplayer
[05:55] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:55] <unix_infidel> LittleMe: we're all doing something wrong...at any given moment :P
[05:55] <h3sp4wn_> orient2000: It is in the dapper-commercial repository
[05:56] <dr_willis> I was thinking installing realplayer was like a 3 line cut/paste job. :P
[05:56] <dr_willis> or even easier of its in the comercial repos.
[05:57] <roadrunner_> I still have problems with flash playing sound from firefox, but sound plays from any other browser... does anyone know how I can find out what the problem is?
[05:57] <LittleMe> unix_infidel: we only do something wrong if we think about it. if you don't think about it, it just is what it is.
[05:57] <h3sp4wn_> http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/pool/main/r/realplay/realplay_10.0.7-<IP_ADDRESS>.ubuntu0.1_i386.deb
[05:58] <roadrunner_> anyone?
[05:58] <orient2000> thanks
[05:58] <roadrunner_> is there a way to uninstall flash from FF and then reinstall it?
[05:58] <LittleMe> yes I think there is a plugins folder
[05:59] <roadrunner_> do you know where?
[05:59] <LittleMe> try from a command line 'find /usr -name plugins'
[05:59] <roadrunner_> I don't know where Adept downloads stuff >_> I installed FF through adept
[06:00] <roadrunner_> so where would the FF folder be located?
[06:01] <roadrunner_> anyone...?
[06:02] <LittleMe> roadrunner_: try from a command line 'find /usr -name plugins'
[06:02] <dr_willis> adept  and apt use the same cache.  - /var/somthing. :P lol
[06:03] <actinic> how do you disable automatic preview?
[06:03] <thompa> openoffice is acting strange though im not sure its the problem
[06:03] <roadrunner_> now should I just delete flashplayer.xpt all together to remove it?
[06:03] <thompa> is it possible that nvidia driver or some xorg file could casue graphic problems in OO
[06:03] <roadrunner_> (BTW, what is the delete command?)
[06:04] <[Nirvana] > ...> /var/cache/apt/archives
[06:04] <LittleMe> roadrunner_: 'rm' deletes files
[06:04] <thompa> sometimes the characters in OO slant to the right or i can read only the top part unless i open and close the screen
[06:04] <LittleMe> thompa: yes it's possible
[06:05] <LittleMe> roadrunner_: you might try to google 'ubuntu flash uninstall' or something
[06:05] <thompa> LittleMe: is there something in xorg.conf i can disable for nvidia
[06:05] <LittleMe> thompa: yes you can change the 'nvidia' line to read 'nv'.  Is it showing 'nvidia' now?
[06:05] <thompa> maybe i should test with vesa, i got no nvidia logo anyway but nvidia works
[06:06] <LittleMe> yeah vesa is a good test
[06:06] <thompa> yes its the second time i installed on this comp. same problem
[06:06] <actinic> someone please drag a *.txt file to their desktop and tell me if auto preview interferes with icon display
[06:06] <thompa> right now i just need to type
[06:07] <LittleMe> actinic: ok
[06:07] <thompa> i wonder if i should try the .com nvidia driver
[06:08] <thompa> monitor is 1440x900 which is not too normal
[06:08] <actinic> thanks LittleMe
[06:08] <LittleMe> actinic: i see the text file in the icon.  at least the beginning of it
[06:08] <actinic> if your results are like mine the application icon is watermarked behind the text
[06:09] <LittleMe> thompa: did you install the nvidia driver using Adept ?
[06:09] <actinic> LittleMe, from what I can tell there's no way to DISABLE auto preview from happening
[06:09] <actinic> is that what you're seeing?
[06:10] <LittleMe> actinic: i remember seeing somehwere that it can be turned off
[06:10] <actinic> right click > properties > preview tab > uncheck auto preview .... doesn't work
[06:10] <LittleMe> actinic: you don't want your spouse to see your loves messages from #kubuntu friends?
[06:11] <actinic> lol, porn too!
[06:11] <roadrunner_> hm... reinstalling flash did not make sound come back. Does anyone else know why sound would not work in Firefox, but it would in any other browser?
[06:12] <nixternal> roadrunner_: you have to change a DSP setting..one sec and i will point it out
[06:12] <LittleMe> roadrunner_: Look at this page: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/29760
[06:12] <actinic> well if you find out how to disable i'm all ear ... uh, eyes :)
[06:12] <nixternal> there you go..that links to the info
[06:13] <LittleMe> roadrunner_: google is your friend to diagnose & fix issues
[06:13] <crimsun> as I've stated on that page, creating the symlinks for esd is NOT the right way to fix it.
[06:13] <crimsun> in fact, when pulse replaces esd, that fix will break utterly
[06:13] <LittleMe> actinic: looking
[06:13] <crimsun> however, you're free to use whatever fix you want.
[06:14] <roadrunner_> I have looked
[06:14] <roadrunner_> but I don't understand what they are saying
[06:14] <LittleMe> scroll half way down and people post work arounds on that page
[06:14] <roadrunner_> I am new to linux, I don't know how to re-write esddsp...
[06:14] <crimsun> you only need to create a symlink, roadrunner_
[06:15] <roadrunner_> does anyone here use FF with Kubuntu that knows a quick fix >_<
[06:15] <crimsun> there're two workarounds listed on that page
[06:15] <roadrunner_> Would you mind at least pointing the correct one out?
[06:15] <LittleMe> roadrunner_: try this quick fix: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/29760/comments/12
[06:15] <roadrunner_> because the one I saw said it would be unstanle
[06:17] <orient2000> I did click on http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/pool/main/r/realplay/realplay_10.0.7-<IP_ADDRESS>.ubuntu0.1_i386.deb and it started downloading then I left I do not know what heppened. Was it installed?
[06:17] <LittleMe> roadrunner_: did you try that quick fix? i just did it
[06:17] <roadrunner_> Um... do I just type that into the konsole?
[06:17] <roadrunner_> because I just did that
[06:17] <roadrunner_> and it didn't do anything
[06:18] <crimsun> it's not supposed to appear to do anything
[06:18] <LittleMe> roadrunner_: yes copy & paste those three lines into a shell.  it will prompt you once for a root password
[06:18] <roadrunner_> I did
[06:18] <roadrunner_> and it did
[06:18] <roadrunner_> and it didn't look like it did anything
[06:18] <roadrunner_> and sound still doesn't work
[06:18] <LittleMe> roadrunner_: close firefox completely and try your flash again
[06:19] <LittleMe> orient2000: no.. you only downloaded the player.  You have not installed the file you downloaded yet.
[06:20] <LittleMe> orient2000: try searching google for 'how do I install a .deb file'
[06:20] <boingolov> or man dpkg
[06:20] <LittleMe> yeah
[06:20] <orient2000> OK thanks
[06:20] <roadrunner_> still no sound
[06:21] <boingolov> roadrunniner, flash grabs /dev/dsp
[06:22] <roadrunner_> wait a moment
[06:22] <boingolov> so if you have other things running alsa sound, it's kind of either / or with /dev/dsp
[06:22] <roadrunner_> I have sound at the moment
[06:22] <roadrunner_> I cleared temp files in FF and it works now
[06:22] <roadrunner_> Ill tell you if it is still working tommorrow =D Because multiple people have got it  "working" for me but it always seems to break again
[06:22] <boingolov> that's the down side to any program that attempts to grab /dev/dsp.  as long as everything uses also libs for sound they can all share and play nice.
[06:23] <boingolov> s/also/alsa
[06:23] <crimsun> within reason, yes.
[06:23] <crimsun> for instance, we haven't fixed asym for multiple users
[06:23] <boingolov> but once something grabs /dev/dsp (such as the flash plugin ), all bets are off .  if flash gets to play audio, other stuff likely won't.  and vice versa
[06:24] <crimsun> that depends whether the default card supports hardware multiopen
[06:24] <crimsun> if it does, then /dev/dsp* is a non-issue
[06:24] <crimsun> (as is plughw:X)
[06:25] <boingolov> ahh, which cards support that?
[06:25] <roadrunner_> so... what? Im going to have the same problem again?
[06:25] <boingolov> roadrunner, most likely, yup
[06:25] <roadrunner_> because everytime multiple things try to play sound it is going to die?
[06:25] <roadrunner_> and there is no permanent fix for it?
[06:26] <crimsun> boingolov: cards that use the emu10k1, cs46xx, or certain hda-intel drivers
[06:26] <boingolov> aye
[06:26] <LittleMe> roadrunner_: check the bug report page for fix info
[06:26] <boingolov> I have the snd_intel8x0
[06:27] <LittleMe> roadrunner_: remember the changes you made.  You may need to remove the symlink file one day
[06:27] <LittleMe> bookmark that page
[06:28] <LittleMe> roadrunner_: ever played "N game" ??
[06:28] <LittleMe> roadrunner_: very fun flash game
[06:29] <roadrunner_> nope
[06:29] <boingolov> maybe if they ever release flash 8.5/9 for linux they'll get the audio right
[06:29] <roadrunner_> I gotta go now... thanks for the help... Ill prolly be back in a day or two with the same problem ;)
[06:29] <LittleMe> roadrunner_: deal with tomorrow when it comes
[06:29] <LittleMe> you are welcome
[06:29] <roadrunner_> haha... will do =D G'night everyone, thanks
[06:29] <Hawkwind> boingolov: It's due to be released after the first of the year
[06:30] <boingolov> they already have beta of 9 for windows (I'm positive) and macosx (I'm less than positive)
[06:31] <boingolov> would be cool to see a beta of linux before the first of the year
[06:31] <Hawkwind> boingolov: Won't happen
[06:32] <boingolov> I don't expect it, considering we never did get a version 8, but it would be nice nonetheless
[06:32] <Hawkwind> boingolov: I read the developers blog the other day and he made it clear there won't be a release for Linux before the first of the year
[06:32] <Hawkwind> Yeah it would be super nice.
[06:32] <Hawkwind> Especially since so many sites now require flash 8 to view them
[06:32] <boingolov> yeah
[06:32] <boingolov> pisses me off
[06:35] <thompa> LittleMe: i did nvidia-glx only and it works . no logo and some other intresting effects
[06:35] <usp8riot> anyone know how to exit the x server? i'm trying to install the nvidia sound driver
[06:36] <thompa> just tested bzflag and ran nvidia-settings no prob
[06:36] <boingolov> x and sound are two seperate beasts
[06:36] <usp8riot> yes, but the nvidia driver calls for it
[06:36] <crimsun> usp8riot: ...sound? Why, does snd_intel8x0 not work?
[06:37] <usp8riot> don't know, i'm just using alsa
[06:37] <LittleMe> thompa: Great!
[06:37] <usp8riot> is there a difference?
[06:37] <LittleMe> usp8riot: yes press ctrl-alt-backspace (careful! it's immediate)
[06:37] <LittleMe> usp8riot: or you canjust logout & login
[06:38] <usp8riot> but it takes me back, it doesn't a command line
[06:38] <crimsun> usp8riot: do you hear sounds at all?
[06:38] <usp8riot> nm, i guess i can choose the command line when i logout, right?
[06:38] <usp8riot> yes, but i'd rather have the official nvidia driver
[06:38] <usp8riot> for my nvidia soundstorm
[06:38] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> how can i get 32bit libraries for firefox libgtk, etc , im using x64
[06:38] <crimsun> usp8riot: don't unless you want a world of headache.
[06:39] <LittleMe> usp8riot: no, don't choose the command line login when you log back in
[06:41] <thompa> LittleMe: well i still have the problem with open office and sometimes the desktop flickers
[06:46] <usp8riot> does anyone think windows sound quality is better with audigy cards?
[06:47] <Cornellius> "To start e just insert 'exec /opt/e17/bin/enlightenment'  in your .xinitrc, .xsession or wherever you define that."  <-- How do I do that ?
[06:47] <Hobbsee> Cornellius: kate .xinitrc and add that line
[06:47] <LittleMe> usp8riot: audigy's are 48khz native so they interpolate most sound from 44khz.  the result is less than optimal.
[06:48] <boingolov> 'gearboxing'
[06:48] <LittleMe> that said I'm using an audigy 2 :)
[06:48] <boingolov> still though, 44.1->48 is better than 48->44.1
[06:48] <Zaire> k I got unrar and working  now for the very last step how do I edit the xlib stuff out of cedega
[06:49] <LittleMe> boingolov: ahh nice to know
[06:49] <boingolov> sample rate conversion is ugly
[06:49] <usp8riot> so in lamens terms....?
[06:49] <LittleMe> yeah it is :)
[06:49] <LittleMe> usp8riot: in lamens terms, I like my audigy 2 pro a lot :)
[06:49] <boingolov> it's not so bad going from 96 down to 44.1 though, you have a lot more samples to pick from, and it's painless going from 96 to 48 (obviously)
[06:50] <boingolov> not that I have any 96khz converters haha
[06:50] <usp8riot> i'm just speaking of the drivers for it, i believe creative screwed us linux people over with quality
[06:51] <LittleMe> usp8riot: apparently they aren't even making x-fi drivers for linux
[06:51] <boingolov> my mbox2 (not linux compatible) can do 44.1 or 48 with the hardware clock (i.e., no gearboxing)
[06:51] <Hobbsee> Zaire: yeah, that is a bit of a pain
[06:51] <usp8riot> LittleMe: i hear they're going to though
[06:51] <LittleMe> usp8riot: good
[06:51] <crimsun> LittleMe: there will be
[06:52] <LittleMe> I hope for fbsd too :)
[06:53] <sponix> crimsun:  ever use dvdshrink ?
[06:53] <LittleMe> if only %3 of their users are linux than that %3 can make or break all of their profits..
[06:53] <boingolov> so what happens if someone from the fbsd camp wants to copy functionality of a linux driver ?  can the bsd license trump the gpl?
[06:53] <crimsun> sponix: no, since I don't own a dvd drive
[06:53] <crimsun> boingolov: what?
[06:53] <sponix> crimsun:  ouch
[06:53] <LittleMe> boingolov: no, no necessarily.  If they copy/paste code, then yes.  if they take ideas, no
[06:53] <usp8riot> that's why i'm wanting to use my nvidia soundstorm since i can hopefully get better quality. should i use it for better quality than my audigy 2?
[06:54] <crimsun> usp8riot: god no
[06:55] <crimsun> the dsp on the audigy 2 /kills/ the soundstorm
[06:55] <LittleMe> usp8riot: if you want audigy specific features go with audigy.  otherwise go with the nvidia.   Your speakers have a lot more to do with the quality of sound you hear
[06:55] <usp8riot> but there is no dsp with linux is there?
[06:55] <sponix> there _was_ :)
[06:55] <crimsun> dsp's hardware, why does Linux matter?
[06:56] <LittleMe> linux can't use computer chips.   (chuckle)
[06:56] <usp8riot> i'm just saying since nvidia has drivers to take full advantage and creative won't let anyone know the hardware specs, nvidia's going to sound better
[06:56] <LittleMe> Zaire: what question did you have
[06:56] <LittleMe> usp8riot: maybe, try both & see what you like
[06:56] <crimsun> usp8riot: the audigys are the best supported cards for most consumers
[06:57] <crimsun> Zaire: you can't.
[06:57] <sponix> Zaire:  why not just force it to install with no deps ?
[06:57] <crimsun> dude, no you can.t
[06:57] <Zaire> http://tom.digitalelite.com/2006_06_09_08_32_00.html
[06:58] <crimsun> you have to have the /source/ to generate a deb
[06:58] <Zaire> thats the site that says otherwise
[06:58] <DoorGunner> hi all
[06:58] <Zaire> yea you extract the .deb to its basic source and edit the Xlibs stuff out according to that site
[06:59] <oomph_7> anyone know how to correct this error
[06:59] <oomph_7> kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!
[06:59] <oomph_7> i got it while installing KVPNC
[06:59] <Zaire> I just don't know where to find the xlib dependencies in it
[06:59] <crimsun> they'd be in debian/control
[07:00] <Zaire> a k where ever that is in there is the question really
[07:01] <crimsun> it's in debian/control
[07:01] <crimsun> you extracted it, didn't you?
[07:01] <thompa> can anyone confirm why the nvidia may not show after nvidia-glx install?
[07:01] <thompa> nvidia logo that is
[07:02] <thompa> is it not there by default?
[07:02] <Zaire> yea I extracted it but Im trying to find the debian control stuff
[07:02] <thompa> im still having some graphic issues, now in vesa it says 24 color monitor is 1440x800
[07:03] <adrigm> nas
[07:03] <thompa> but i can see mt screen is 1024x768
[07:03] <thompa> does an lcd need vert. and horiz. refresh rate?
[07:03] <LittleMe> thompa: what video card/monitor are you using?
[07:04] <thompa> hi,
[07:04] <LittleMe> thompa: yes
[07:04] <crimsun> Zaire: it's in debian/ wherever you chose to extract the deb
[07:04] <LittleMe> thompa: but the xorg.conf defaults will work (flicker flicker!)
[07:04] <thompa> im using nvidia 660 128 Ram and westinghouse LCD 1440x900
[07:04] <Zaire> its the the home folder
[07:04] <thompa> LittleMe: somethings not right
[07:05] <thompa> maybe the montitor settings or synch
[07:05] <Zaire> oddly enough I can run cedega from the extracted source but I can't install it lol
[07:06] <thompa> if i use nvidia it seems to work but every bnow and then kind of melts a little
[07:06] <LittleMe> thompa: bring up a command line prompt and type 'gtf 1440x800 85' (for 85 hz vert refresh)
[07:06] <thompa> its a big problem when doing word processing
[07:06] <thompa> ok
[07:06] <LittleMe> thompa: the output will need to go into your xorg.conf file
[07:07] <LittleMe> make sure your monitor supports 85hz vert refresh (or use higher if your monitor will go higher)
[07:07] <crimsun> Zaire: what was the command you used to extract it?
[07:07] <crimsun> Zaire: (the dpkg-deb -x one)
[07:07] <thompa> LittleMe: it does not give me correct output
[07:07] <LittleMe> thompa: put the output of gtf in the same section as the Driver "nvidia" section
[07:07] <thompa> usage only
[07:08] <thompa> command works but gives usage
[07:08] <crimsun> Zaire: the normal one or the small one?
[07:08] <crimsun> Zaire: because the small one doesn't have a dependency on xlibs
[07:08] <crimsun> Zaire: no, use the small one
[07:08] <crimsun> Zaire: then use the 5.2.2 cpkg update
[07:08] <LittleMe> thompa: what does it say?
[07:09] <thompa> LittleMe: im in vesa now should i change back to nvidia first?
[07:09] <thompa> usage: gtf x y refresh [-v|--verbose]  [-f|--fbmode]  [-x|--xorgmode]
[07:09] <crimsun> Zaire: you're /supposed/ to use the small one according to the instructions -- which you read, correct?
[07:09] <thompa> etc etc
[07:09] <LittleMe> thompa: yes sure since nvidia had the same symptom
[07:09] <thompa> be right back
[07:09] <Zaire> I didn't see anything about the small one nope
[07:09] <crimsun> reading instructions is a /good/ thing.
[07:10] <Zaire> generally lol but I tend to do things as I go along lol
[07:11] <LittleMe> thompa: wb, nvidia working?
[07:11] <crimsun> Zaire: so remove the normal one.
[07:11] <thompa> yep
[07:11] <Zaire> how lol
[07:12] <LittleMe> now try gtf again
[07:12] <crimsun> Zaire: apt-get --purge remove cedega
[07:12] <thompa> LittleMe: gtf 1440x800 85  gives same
[07:12] <LittleMe> thompa: then try   gtf 1440 800 60
[07:12] <Zaire> invalid operation cedega
[07:12] <Zaire> oops nvm
[07:12] <thompa> my montor is 1440x900
[07:13] <LittleMe> thompa: gtf 1440 800 85 works for me btw
[07:13] <Zaire> ok got it
[07:13] <LittleMe> thompa: OH then try 900 instead of 800
[07:13] <thompa> ok thanks for being there
[07:13] <LittleMe> thompa: use google to find out the refresh rates your monitor supports
[07:13] <thompa> that worked
[07:13] <LittleMe> GOOD
[07:14] <Zaire> ok you gotta be kidding me lol it says the same thing as norm cedega about the Xlibs lol
[07:14] <thompa> so now paste into xorg?
[07:14] <LittleMe> thompa: now paste the output of gtf into the xorg.conf file, the same section as Driver "nvidia"
[07:14] <crimsun> Zaire: um, what version are you installing?
[07:14] <Zaire> 5.1
[07:14] <crimsun> Zaire: because 5.2.1 certainly doesn't have a dependency on xlibs
[07:14] <LittleMe> thompa: put it right under 'Driver "nvidia"' if you like
[07:15] <thompa> LittleMe: ok, its a great monitor for paperwork, can view 2 docs side by side
[07:15] <thompa> righto
[07:15] <LittleMe> thompa: I'm sorry I'm mistaken.  put that line into your "Monitor" section, not the nvidia driver section
[07:15] <thompa> ok
[07:16] <orient2000> my sorces.list is empty I can not get any update what can i do?
[07:16] <LittleMe> thompa: in xorg.conf find the Section "Screen" part and then add "1440x900" as the first Mode
[07:16] <thompa> LittleMe: i pasted and removed hashmark,
[07:16] <Hobbsee> orient2000: you likely spelled it wrong.  i'ts /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:17] <thompa> but there is still horizsync and vertrefresh
[07:17] <thompa> LittleMe: do i need those for LCD
[07:17] <LittleMe> thompa: the modeline overrides the refresh rates, i think
[07:17] <LittleMe> thompa: i think so yes
[07:17] <LittleMe> thompa: i use CRTs though. :)
[07:18] <thompa> the refresh rates are whats probably messing things up
[07:18] <LittleMe> thompa: did you add 1440x900 into the Modes line?
[07:18] <thompa> ok i guess i should r-x
[07:18] <LittleMe> thompa: r-x what do you mean by that
[07:18] <thompa>  Modeline "1440x900_60.00"  106.47  1440 1520 1672 1904  900 901 904 932  -HSync +Vsync
[07:18] <thompa> is what i got there
[07:18] <LittleMe> good
[07:19] <LittleMe> thats 60hz refresh rate (might be flickery but WILL work)
[07:19] <thompa> its lcd suppoosed to be 60 i think for this one
[07:19] <thompa> ill test
[07:21] <LittleMe> working?
[07:21] <orient2000> id di open it but I could not save because no privilages then I typet sudo -i and password but now I can not gedit .. list
[07:22] <LittleMe> thompa: working??
[07:22] <thompa> LittleMe: it seems faster
[07:22] <thompa> more respnsive
[07:22] <LittleMe> thompa: working at 1440x900?
[07:22] <thompa> yes
[07:22] <LittleMe> GOOD!
[07:23] <thompa> let me test openoffice first
[07:23] <thompa> i hope the 60 is correct
[07:23] <LittleMe> you might be able to go higher.. higher is better usually
[07:23] <LittleMe> except you don't want to go over your monitor's ability
[07:24] <LittleMe> thompa: make a backup of your xorg.conf file.  go to /etc/X11 and type 'cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.2006.07.07'
[07:25] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> how do i install the flash player on x64 ?
[07:25] <LittleMe> thompa: i mean 'sudo cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.2006.07.07'
[07:25] <thompa> ok
[07:25] <thompa> openoffice works, no falling letters btw
[07:25] <LittleMe> wow!
[07:26] <LittleMe> thompa: you can send me a check or paypal donation plz :)
[07:26] <thompa> but i never had the problem with kword,
[07:26] <thompa> LittleMe: thanks
[07:26] <LittleMe> thompa: yw.
[07:27] <thompa> i knew it was either xorg or nvidia or openoffice
[07:27] <thompa> but ive had the same problem on many distros
[07:27] <thompa> so i guess its the monitor
[07:27] <LittleMe> thompa: i thought the problem is fixed now?
[07:27] <thompa> LittleMe: does that sound right that its monitor setting in xorg
[07:28] <thompa> yes it works
[07:28] <thompa> thanks again
[07:28] <LittleMe> thompa: it might be the monitor setting yes
[07:28] <thompa> i want to make sure i understand the problem
[07:28] <LittleMe> thompa: we set your resolution to 1440x900 that probably fixed it
[07:28] <LittleMe> thompa: that's my guess.  your monitor was interpolating a lower resolution which looked bad
[07:28] <thompa> it was originally 1440x900, but the modeline is new
[07:29] <LittleMe> OH
[07:29] <LittleMe> yes then the modeline fixed it
[07:29] <LittleMe> I don't see why all linux distros don't try to make a gui or automate gtf as we did here
[07:30] <thompa> what is the gtf that i used?
[07:30] <LittleMe> thompa: gtf 1440 900 60
[07:30] <thompa> its not 1005 accurate
[07:30] <thompa> 100% sry
[07:30] <LittleMe> why do you say it's not 100% accurate?
[07:30] <thompa> is it just a hardware detection command?
[07:31] <LittleMe> "Gtf is a utility for calculating VESA GTF  modes."
[07:31] <LittleMe> "Generalized Timing Formula"
[07:32] <thompa> thanks , i just found the man
[07:32] <thompa> page
[07:32] <LittleMe> thompa: yes probably your monitor was interpolating an frequency that was not 100% aligned with it
[07:32] <LittleMe> but I'm not sure about lcd
[07:32] <thompa> I thought monitors could autosync
[07:33] <LittleMe> they try
[07:33] <thompa> this one had some hardware switch to change resol. but it doesnt work too well
[07:34] <thompa> LittleMe: ive had enough, gotta sleep....Thanks a gazillion!
[07:34] <LittleMe> I suggest you enter more modelines for all resolutions you want to use
[07:34] <LittleMe> yw
[07:34] <thompa> this lCD is only 1440x900
[07:34] <LittleMe> divide that by two and there's another resolution you can use
[07:34] <LittleMe> 720x450
[07:35] <thompa> i can tell its working better by grabing a window and shaking it
[07:35] <LittleMe> i know what you mean.. nice to see things work smooth & fast
[07:35] <thompa> no distortion, openGL screensaver work too
[07:35] <Zaire> yeps dual monitors is sweet lol
[07:35] <LittleMe> I'm dual monitors now :)
[07:35] <thompa> what are dual monitors for?
[07:36] <thompa> i got 2 connections on this nvidia
[07:36] <LittleMe> for more desktop space :) i have one 21 inch and one 19 inch montior
[07:36] <Zaire> so you do something on one and monitor stuff on the other like Im doing with IRC lol
[07:36] <thompa> there is one crt here and one more lcd lying around
[07:36] <LittleMe> why not use both?
[07:36] <thompa> how do you switch
[07:36] <Zaire> spanning is gross lol
[07:37] <LittleMe> thompa: i can e-mail you entries you need to get twinview working
[07:37] <orient2000> My update manager do not work. It is closing fast. What can I do? Please help.
[07:37] <thompa> ive heard about twinview is it worth using?
[07:37] <LittleMe> yeah the nv 6600 usually has two monitor ports
[07:37] <LittleMe> YES
[07:37] <thompa> i can use virtual desktops now
[07:37] <LittleMe> twinview is great
[07:37] <Zaire> twinviews actually pretty easy I just got the glx files and config then enabled my drivers and changed the display setting
[07:37] <LittleMe> virtual desktops aren't the same
[07:38] <thompa> are both monitors showing the same desktop?
[07:38] <Zaire> yea this is 2 live desktops that are more or less one and you can move from one monitor to the other easy and smooth
[07:38] <thompa> like with mouse?
[07:38] <LittleMe> No. each has it's own desktop space
[07:39] <LittleMe> you can drag windows from one monitor to the other
[07:39] <Zaire> yeps mouseand programs
[07:39] <thompa> cool
[07:39] <LittleMe> very
[07:39] <Zaire> thats why I said more or less one
[07:39] <Zaire> but yes I love dual monitors lol
[07:39] <thompa> could i watch a movie on one and work on other?
[07:39] <LittleMe> YES
[07:39] <thompa> cool
[07:39] <Zaire> love that part to lol
[07:39] <LittleMe> but it doesn't work with porn
[07:40] <thompa> i got a big crt and a 15 inch viewsonic
[07:40] <thompa> right now this is westinghouse 1440x900
[07:40] <thompa> ha
[07:41] <thompa> the laptop is nvidia also with xgl running
[07:41] <LittleMe> twinview only works with porn if you enter "option   "pron"  "true" "
[07:41] <thompa> i gotta take a break this is addictive
[07:41] <LittleMe> put that into xorg.conf
[07:42] <thompa> ;}0
[07:42] <LittleMe> bye
[07:42] <Zaire> brb lol
[07:43] <LittleMe> thompa: Option          "SecondMonitorHorizSync"        "30.0-86.0"
[07:43] <LittleMe> thompa: Option          "SecondMonitorVertRefresh"      "50.0-160.0"
[07:43] <LittleMe> That's what I use to set my 2nd monitor refresh
[07:44] <LittleMe> in the device section
[07:44] <thompa> is it crt what res.?
[07:44] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> i compiled amarok beta1 from source, now i want to uninstall it but i dont have the source so cant do "make uninstall" and can remove it with adept , how can i remove it ?
[07:44] <LittleMe> Yes my 2nd monitor is viewsonic optiquest q95. i use it at 1024x768@85hz
[07:45] <LittleMe> then in your device section you'll need to enter new metamodes
[07:45] <LittleMe> Here's what I use
[07:45] <thompa> mines same resolution viewsonic vp171s
[07:45] <LittleMe> Option          "MetaModes"     " 1152x864, 1024x768; 1152x864,NULL; 128
[07:45] <LittleMe> 0x960,NULL; 1024x768,NULL; 1024x768, 1024x768; 800x600, 1152x864; 800x600, 800x6
[07:45] <LittleMe> 00; 800x600,NULL"
[07:45] <thompa> that sounds about right to me
[07:46] <LittleMe> you see how I have resolutions that use commas?  the first entry  1152x864,1024x768 is my default twinview reoslution
[07:46] <thompa> i cant find any specs on the westinghouse though but so far so good
[07:46] <thompa> do you use nvidia-settings?
[07:46] <LittleMe> if you want a mode to only use one monitor (for a game) then use a NULL entry for the 2nd resolution. (see above)
[07:47] <LittleMe> no except to change anti alias settings or something
[07:48] <LittleMe> These two entries turn on twinview in xorg.conf (device section)
[07:48] <LittleMe> Option          "TwinViewOrientation"   "RightOf"
[07:48] <LittleMe>         Option          "Xinerama"      "on"
[07:49] <LittleMe> oh put this one first:         Option          "TwinView"      "true"
[07:49] <thompa> where do you change setting for like clone mode and stuff?
[07:49] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> i compiled amarok beta1 from source, now i want to uninstall it but i dont have the source so cant do "make uninstall" and can remove it with adept , how cant i remove it ?
[07:49] <LittleMe> try google 'twinview clone xorg.conf' or something :)
[07:49] <_rince_> mrgn
[07:49] <thompa> i have to cnnect the monitor , clear some clutter
[07:50] <thompa> LittleMe: thanks im going to copy that
[07:50] <thompa> take care
[07:50] <LittleMe> you too,
[07:55] <Desh> After following the Wiki guide to using fglrx on my laptop with a Mobility Radeon 9700, fglrxinfo reveals my OpenGL renderer to be mesa3d not ATI, any clues?
[07:55] <boingolov> vielgus, you hung it down and kill it ;)  if you didn't specify --prefix to configure, it likely installed everything in /usr/local/bin , /usr/local/sbin , /usr/local/lib
[07:55] <boingolov> hunt even
[07:56] <boingolov> configure defaults to /usr/local for this very reason
[07:58] <LittleMe> VieLGuS-KuTaS: I'm not sure.  the manual might say what is installed where, when you do a make install
[07:59] <boingolov> if amarok uses antoconf (and 99% of current open source projects do), it defaults to /usr/local unless you specified otherwise.  and if you specified otherwise, look otherwise
[08:06] <LittleMe> boingolov: ahh thanks for that info
[08:07] <LittleMe> nice! what are you going to play?
[08:07] <Zaire> first halflife 1 and the once I buy it Battle field 2
[08:08] <LittleMe> there's no HL1 for linux? surprising.
[08:08] <LittleMe> BF2 is fun.  i've played it a lot
[08:08] <Zaire> yea I like to play it at Lan parties
[08:08] <Zaire> but I always have to play off of someone else computer
[08:09] <nolte> how to configure the cups printserver it always asks for a password but mine doesn't work ?
[08:09] <LittleMe> http://lhl.linuxgames.com/
[08:09] <boingolov> nolte, cups from http needs root password, so you'll need to enable root acct to do it that way
[08:09] <LittleMe> that link is for zaire
[08:10] <nolte> boingolov: thanks, that helps
[08:10] <Zaire> cool thx
[08:11] <LittleMe> if you haven't set root password then open a shell and type 'passwd root'
[08:11] <boingolov> sudo passwd root even ;)
[08:11] <LittleMe> yeah
[08:12] <boingolov> also there was something else I had to do, can't remember, but found info on google
[08:14] <LittleMe> Zaire: apparently half life/counter strike works with wineX
[08:14] <LittleMe> so you don't need cedega for that
[08:15] <Zaire> I can't get cedega to work for some reason says something about an engine update
[08:15] <LittleMe> Zaire: http://board.iexbeta.com/lofiversion/index.php/t26777.html
[08:16] <Zaire> .rpm is useless in Kubuntu
[08:17] <emonkey> alien?
[08:17] <emonkey> !alien
[08:17] <ubotu> rpm is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous).
[08:17] <LittleMe> Zaire: but the basic idea is that you can get HL 1 working without cedega
[08:18] <Zaire> yea but I have cedega already
[08:18] <LittleMe> me I prefer quake 1 to HL 1 because the net code plays better
[08:18] <LittleMe> ahh true
[08:19] <boingolov> I would assume that alien will let you simply extract the contents of an rpm without installing.  at that point you should be able to install it in some non-standard place, mebbe /opt
[08:19] <Zaire> the damn engine update I have is source from what I can tell
[08:19] <boingolov> or /usr/local
[08:20] <Zaire> how would I be able to make the source into a deb package?
[08:21] <fiyawerx> i didn't catch the beginning of this convo, but if you're using something that wants to do make install, you can use 'checkmake' to create a deb out of it
[08:21] <fiyawerx> i think thats what its called
[08:21] <Zaire> its the cedega engine update source
[08:21] <fiyawerx> like to compile something i'd use ./configure, make, then checkmake (replaces make install)
[08:22] <boingolov> not everything has to be in a packate...
[08:22] <Zaire> I think
[08:22] <boingolov> package even
[08:22] <Zaire> where does cedega install anyway
[08:22] <boingolov> what I do is put my "experimental" stuff somewhere (definitely not in / or /usr) and leave everything else in the usual places
[08:22] <Desh_> Can someone help me with my kernel?
[08:23] <LittleMe> Desh_: ask your question
[08:24] <fiyawerx> !ask
[08:24] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:24] <Desh_> Well here is the thing, ls /boot/ gives me two kernel numbers: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17385
[08:24] <Desh_> And I think this may interfere with my fglrx
[08:27] <Zaire> there got it just didn't look hard enough for the engine file lol
[08:28] <Zaire> damn 3D acceleration failed on cedega
[08:28] <unix_infidel> ati 3d blows on linux.
[08:28] <unix_infidel> even with AMD on the ropes.
[08:28] <Zaire> I have Nvidia
[08:29] <unix_infidel> well then you're just whining...because almost everything nvidia has worked flawlessly with linux.
[08:29] <LittleMe> Desh_: how is it interfering with fglrx
[08:29] <Zaire> actually Im not whining jerk
[08:29] <unix_infidel> why are you using fglrx with nvidia?
[08:29] <Desh_> LittleMe: I dunno, mesa3d keeps being the OpenGL renderer. So I was wondering if maybe that ad anything to do with it?
[08:30] <unix_infidel> LOL, wow, i must need caffeine...
[08:30] <LittleMe> Desh_: I don't know about this issue but someone here might
[08:30] <Zaire> all I did was just state a fact presented to me by cedega
[08:30] <unix_infidel> Zaire: nah, man i thought you said something totally different...
[08:30] <unix_infidel> i cant read.
[08:31] <LittleMe> hehe
[08:34] <Zaire> Your graphics card does not appear to be setup correctly.
[08:34] <Zaire> Please check the documentation for your Linux distribution
[08:34] <Zaire> and your graphics card drivers to ensure proper installation
[08:35] <Desh_> Zaire, ATI card?
[08:35] <Zaire> XFX Geforce FX 5200
[08:35] <Zaire> I also get a similar error for the oss sound test on cedega
[08:41] <nolte> boingolov: thanks again, everything works now :-))
[08:44] <Zaire> why i not get play option
[08:44] <Zaire> nvm warcraft 2 finally decided to run the install lol