[00:05] <Bauldrick_> so far vlc is the only media player i can get to play audio cd's :(
[00:09] <ActionParsnip> Bauldrick_: does kscd not fly?
[00:09] <ActionParsnip> !info kscd
[00:10] <Bauldrick_> ActionParsnip: i put disk in - ask to play it with kscd - kscd starts but does nothing. as if it can't see device
[00:11] <Bauldrick_> /media/cdrom0 is linked to /dev/scd0 which is linked to /dev/sr0 (the device i guess
[00:11] <ActionParsnip> Bauldrick_: is there an option in kscd to set the cd device?
[00:12] <Bauldrick_> ActionParsnip: no - the only option is to eject cd when finished!!!!!!
[00:12] <ActionParsnip> Bauldrick_: does it have a man page?
[00:13] <ActionParsnip> Bauldrick_: what app would you like to play cds in?
[00:14] <Bauldrick_> i'd like to put a cd in the tray and it play, so kscd - do you think it's the symlinks? why does it goto /dev/scd0 and that link to /ev/sr0
[00:14] <kingjere> Bauldrick_: Your problem rings a bell. Try tail -f /var/log/messages in a terminal then play a cd
[00:15] <ActionParsnip> Bauldrick_: /dev/scd0: symbolic link to `sr0'
[00:16] <ActionParsnip> Bauldrick_: is the optical drive a sata drive?
[00:16] <ActionParsnip> or is it pata?
[00:18] <Bauldrick_> ActionParsnip: sata - played a cd after 'tail' - __ratelimit: 8 callbacks suppressed
[00:19] <Bauldrick_> ^^ in vlc ofcourse
[00:19] <ActionParsnip> Bauldrick_: thought so: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdemultimedia/+bug/355581
[00:23] <Bauldrick_> ActionParsnip: cheers, i'll look through that link on buttom bug page
[00:35] <Bauldrick_> ActionParsnip: simple, or not! (for me atleast) kscd looking for /dev/cdrom. but that wasn't there, only cdrom2 was, so ln -s cdrom2 cdrom, it works!
[00:35] <ActionParsnip> Bauldrick_: sweet move bro
[00:48] <miyavi> Does anyone know how to speed up the key repeat and shorten the repeat delay?
[00:49] <JontheEchidna> miyavi: in System Settings, go to the Keyboard and Mouse section
[00:50] <JontheEchidna> on the first page there should be rate and delay settings
[00:50] <miyavi> I must be blind, because I checked there twice
[00:50] <JontheEchidna> hmm... maybe it's because I'm running KDE 4.3 beta
[00:50] <miyavi> That might do it
[00:50] <miyavi> I'm on the stable one
[00:50] <drbobb> JontheEchidna: nope no such thing there
[00:51] <drbobb> well not in the standard jaunty version
[00:51] <JontheEchidna> This is what it looks like in 4.3: http://imagebin.ca/view/iOJhIjv.html
[00:51] <drbobb> miyavi: xset can do that
[00:54] <miyavi> JontheEchidna: http://i41.tinypic.com/zmyviu.jpg This is what I've got
[00:55] <JontheEchidna> yeah, must be new in 4.3 :(
[00:55] <miyavi> Son of a-
[00:55] <JontheEchidna> oh, wait
[00:55] <JontheEchidna> wait wait wait
[00:56] <JontheEchidna> it could be bug 362978
[00:56] <JontheEchidna> grr, no ubottu
[00:56] <JontheEchidna> https://launchpad.net/bugs/362978
[00:56] <miyavi> Oh great... Well to fill you in more, I was using gnome first. Then I sudo apt-get'd KDE
[01:00] <kanon-mat> hehe, my desktop environment just disappeared, looks like openbox on a black background
[01:01] <miyavi> You need help with that? o.o
[01:01] <drbobb> miyavi: xset r rate N M
[01:01] <drbobb> N is the delay in milisecs, M the rate of repeats per sec
[01:01] <kanon-mat> not right now, but it will probably happen again
[01:02] <kanon-mat> kwin is running
[01:04] <sylvanus_> hello
[01:04] <kanon-mat> !hi
[01:04] <miyavi> Thanks drbobb, now to mess with it
[01:05] <sylvanus_> Can anyone teach me to use my new webcan?
[01:05] <miyavi> sylvanus_ what do you want to do exactly?
[01:05] <deco> just installed kde 4 on my ubuntu system , wow i must say they really improved it! it's so awesome now
[01:06] <sylvanus_> well aren't supposed be able to be viewed or view others if they have a web cam?
[01:06] <phylon_> when i run vmware I get this error /usr/lib/vmware/bin/vmware: /usr/lib/vmware/lib/libgcc_s.so.1/libgcc_s.so.1: version `GCC_3.4' not found (required by /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2)
[01:06] <miyavi>  Well, with a webcam you can take pictures, record video, or stream over the internet
[01:07] <sylvanus_> How would I stream over the internet?
[01:07] <deco> phylon_, install gcc
[01:07] <miyavi> Programs like Ekiga, or skype. Websites like Stickam?
[01:07] <sylvanus_> ok so i just go to that site then what?
[01:08] <phylon_> fixed it
[01:08] <phylon_> sudo cp /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 /usr/lib/vmware/lib/libgcc_s.so.1/
[01:08] <phylon_> thanks
[01:08] <miyavi> Well, it depends what you wanna do really
[01:08] <deco> phylon_, cool
[01:08] <sylvanus_> like what can i do? new to all this
[01:08] <W4gn3r> talking about webcam, is there any software that can record my desktop AND my webcam (like some screencasts over the web)?
[01:08] <miyavi> Why did you get a webcam in the first place?
[01:09] <sylvanus_> so I could maybe make some friends and connect with people
[01:09] <miyavi> You'll probably wanna head over to stickam.com then
[01:09] <miyavi> It's a site like myspace/facebook, where you set up a chatroom of sorts
[01:10] <miyavi> and random people can join
[01:10] <sylvanus_> is it safe to use a webcam is there anything I should know?
[01:10] <miyavi> Uh, there's a rare occasion that someone could hack your PC and look at your webcam
[01:11] <miyavi> So if you're paranoid, turn it to a wall when you're not using it
[01:11] <deco> sylvanus_, don't  do anything naughty with ;-)
[01:11] <sylvanus_> why wheres the fun in that?
[01:12] <deco> is torvalds still using gnome? because i find the latest kde4 good for daily use
[01:13] <sylvanus_> can I use it with an instant messenger service?
[01:13] <deco> sylvanus_, you can use it with any im that supports web cams
[01:14] <a_> hi...  i cant isntall backtrack in packard bel mh 35. it is freezzing.can anyone helps me
[01:14] <sylvanus_> ok let me go to stickam and try it there?
[01:14] <miyavi> Sure thing?
[01:15] <sylvanus_> seeya thanks!
[01:17] <miyavi> a_ what are the specs of your PC?
[01:18] <miyavi> Also, backtrack isn't so much supposed to be an OS as it is a LiveCD, since some of the programs are geared to physical access
[01:18] <a_> intel dual core inside 1.4,  1gb ram,253 video card
[01:19] <miyavi> I don't see why you can't install it
[01:21] <a_> and when i try to start live cd ,first it opens but in some minutes it is frezzing...before i am starting live cd i havte to start ubuntu and restart my pc
[01:21] <a_> else live cd doesnt work
[01:23] <miyavi> Well, there's some special way do install two linux distros, because they'll both come with grub
[01:23] <miyavi> You'd probably wanna go to a backtrack IRC or a forum
[01:24] <a_> thank u for your information miyavi
[01:24] <miyavi> Sorry I couldn't help you dude
[01:42] <miyavi> Does anyone know the name of that Python irc bot?
[01:42] <miyavi> Nevermind, I remember it. Phenny
[02:01] <BoostedR36MK3> my wireless card shows as eth1 and when using iwlist eth1 scan it tells me that eth1   interface does not support scanning
[02:02] <BoostedR36MK3> anyone know why it does this
[02:36] <pbc> ftp://dygod4:dygod4@d090.dygod.cn:2088/%5B%E7%94%B5%E5%BD%B1%E5%A4%A9%E5%A0%82www.dygod.cn%5D%E6%88%91%E7%88%B1%E9%BB%91%E6%B6%A9%E4%BC%9A090526.rmvb
[02:38] <bdizzle> hi, I was wondering if anyone could help me diagnose a very annoying problem of 9.04 freezing up every 10 to 15 minutes on me
[02:39] <super-captain-re> im quite the noob when it comes to linux, could someone perhaps give me a pointer as to how to run an update when i do the update in a terminal and it says to run the update to fix the issues
[02:40] <bdizzle> super-captain-re: sudo apt-get update
[02:41] <super-captain-re> yeah but then it says you might want to run the update to fix the problems
[02:41] <super-captain-re> i did it again, and it said the same thing
[02:41] <bdizzle> hmm
[02:41] <bdizzle> I dunno then
[02:41] <snarkster1> what else does it show on the screen
[02:42] <super-captain-re> W: GPG error: http://wine.budgetdedicated.com jaunty Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY<PHONE_NUMBER>7EE263
[02:42] <super-captain-re> thats what it says
[02:43] <snarkster1> then do a google on pgp key ubuntu
[02:49] <snarkster> super-captain-re: did you get any information
[02:49] <super-captain-re> so i will make my own key?
[02:49] <snarkster> no
[02:49] <wirechief> super-captain-re:  try this : sudo dpkg --remove --force-depends bar
[02:49] <snarkster> did you google what i said to google
[02:50] <super-captain-re> yes i did google it... what i found mentions making a key
[02:50] <wirechief> super-captain-re:  sudo apt-get -f install
[02:50] <super-captain-re> hmmm well i did the apt-get, and i know i needed an update...
[02:50] <super-captain-re> i haven't updated in i don't know how long
[02:50] <wirechief> super-captain-re: sudo apt-get -f dist-upgrade
[02:51] <super-captain-re> ah thank you
[02:51] <super-captain-re> ill be sure to remember that
[02:51] <wirechief> do those three things, you will see stuff that needs to be forced just change force-depends bar  to packagename
[02:52] <wirechief> takes a while sometimes but eventually youll work the bad out.
[02:52] <wirechief> just keep repeating it. till its fixed
[02:53] <super-captain-re> it appears to have handled everything i think
[02:53] <wirechief> save the steps for the next time :)
[02:53] <SCR> hmmm... i will
[02:53] <SCR> thanks for the help
[02:54]  * wirechief goes back to bug killing bye
[02:54] <SCR> lol bye
[03:07] <Jckl> anyone know how to install a usb to serial cable. When i plug it in it shows a high speed usb device was connected in dmesg but does not link it to ttyusb*
[03:15] <Jckl> how do i find the vender and pid of my serial>usb cable
[03:26] <pubuntu> Hello ppl
[03:28] <pubuntu> where is a good place to learn linux command? any link?
[03:28] <Jckl> what command
[03:28] <pubuntu> any command
[03:29] <pubuntu> I am new to linux
[04:12] <iivv> how do i fix the font rendering in kubuntu?
[04:12] <Jckl> none of my usb devices will work
[04:13] <slacker> what kind of USB devices?
[04:14] <ign0ramus> iivv, do you have "msttcorefonts" installed?
[04:14] <Jckl> usb stick nor keyboard nor usb serial
[04:15] <iivv> ign0ramus: yeah, and those fonts all work (i'm using consolas right now), but the default anti-aliasing is too fuzzy
[04:15] <iivv> but when i turn it off, everything's too jagged
[04:15] <ign0ramus> iivv, then you can adjust anti-aliasing in System Settings > Appearance
[04:15] <slacker> are you using a PS2 keybaord
[04:15] <ign0ramus> iivv, > Fonts
[04:16] <Jckl> i was tring to get my usb to serial converter to work which it did work before upgrading to 9.04
[04:16] <iivv> ign0ramus: i have, and while that does tweak things a bit, its still too fuzzy. so i tweaked .fonts.conf and now some fonts are a bit spaced out
[04:16] <Jckl> the keyboard is a usb wireless keyboard i connected to test it
[04:17] <slacker> not sure about the serial adapter, never used one
[04:17] <ign0ramus> iivv, you should be able to restore your config... if you've edited the file, there should be a .bak file created
[04:17] <slacker> what about the USB stick?
[04:17] <Jckl> doesnt work either
[04:18] <Jckl> dmesg shows usb devices but is not linking them to ttyusb*
[04:18] <iivv> thanks ign0ramus. ctrl alt backspace awaaay
[04:18]  * ign0ramus waves goodbye
[04:20] <slacker> not even listed device notifer?
[04:20] <Jckl> not that i seen
[04:20] <Jckl> lsusb shows nothing different after plugging it in
[04:20] <Jckl> either
[04:24] <slacker> does lsusb at least list the USB hubs?
[04:24] <Jckl> yes
[04:24] <Jckl> thats all it lists
[04:26] <Barridus> it lists more than that on my pc
[04:27] <Jckl> it should list the devices connected to but mine is broke
[04:28] <Barridus> i dunno what all it would list if my power wasn't out (thus my powered usb hub is off), but it lists the integrated webcam and what i assume is the mouse
[04:29] <Barridus> does anyone here use Kopete?
[04:30] <iivv> how can i write an exception for a font in .fonts.conf? i don't want anti aliasing at all on certain microsoft fonts
[04:37] <Jckl> slacker: anymore ideas?
[04:55] <kurumin> comofaço para instalar uma webcam no linux?
[04:56] <kurumin> name dudu
[05:30] <Guest35455> what is this?
[05:30] <brujula__> Jelow.
[05:32] <Jckl> dmesg shows usb devices but is not linking them to ttyusb* Any ideas?
[05:33] <Guest35455> is this a chat?
[05:54] <Jckl> can ANYONE help me with my usb problem
[06:07] <iivv> can anyone help me install jack
[06:07] <iivv> apt-get says i have broken packages
[06:07] <iivv> (can't install python-cddb)
[06:16] <Lillymon> Has anyone else had a problem in Kuickshow on Kubuntu Jaunty where 'Thumbnail Preview' no longer works?
[06:20] <B0BBY> Hello People.
[06:20] <B0BBY> Is there a way to kick of the Kubuntu install from inside another distro?
[06:34] <edgar> alguien vivo por aki??
[06:34] <Jckl> anyone know why i cant accees network manager? it shows installed in my package manager
[06:47] <jose> Hello... I have a questions ... I installed Ubuntu 9.04 x64 and I'mt trying to install amsn and its giving me an error can somebody help me please? thanks :)
[06:55] <alakhia> jose: amsn?
[06:55] <BoostedR36MK3> my network management is not working
[06:55] <BoostedR36MK3> also my wireless shows up as eth1?
[06:56] <alakhia> BoostedR36MK3:  i suppose you already tried the settings?
[06:57] <BoostedR36MK3> if i set the wired connection in a terminal i can get it to connect
[06:57] <BoostedR36MK3> but i cant get network management to do anything with it
[06:57] <BoostedR36MK3> ande for the wireless i cant scan for networks at all
[06:58] <alakhia> i don't think i'll be of much help ... last time i had problems i hacked my /etc/rc.local to get it to work
[06:58] <BoostedR36MK3> what did you do to it
[06:59] <alakhia> i added: /etc/init.d/networking restart
[06:59] <alakhia> basically, i restarted networking after logging on
[07:00] <alakhia> that somehow got things working
[07:00] <alakhia> i also had to restart networking after a suspend
[07:00] <BoostedR36MK3> hm
[07:00] <alakhia> so i also added the same command in /etc/acpi/sleep.sh
[07:00] <BoostedR36MK3> sudo iwlist eth1 scan works
[07:00] <BoostedR36MK3> so now i just need to figure out what is wrong with network management
[07:01] <alakhia> i bypassed network manager all together
[07:01] <alakhia> however, after upgrading to 9.04, things are working better
[07:01] <alakhia> no need for such ugly hacks on my laptop at least
[07:01] <carolija> mornin here too all
[07:01] <BoostedR36MK3> upgrading to 9.04 broke a lot of my stuff
[07:01] <BoostedR36MK3> this is the last thing i need to fix
[07:02] <BoostedR36MK3> took me all day to get my usb to work again and i dont even know exactly how i fixed it
[07:03] <alakhia> did you do a fresh install or upgrade?
[07:03] <BoostedR36MK3> upgrade
[07:03] <jose> can anyone help me to install amsn on ubuntu x64 9.04 please?
[07:04] <jose> Im new lol
[07:04] <alakhia> what is amsn?
[07:04] <jose> its a msn client
[07:04] <BoostedR36MK3> jose: open a terminal and type sudo apt-get install amsn
[07:05] <jose> BoostedR36MK3 thank you it worked
[07:05] <alakhia> you might try a live cd of 9.04 and see if your networking is better? I found that upgrades sometimes mess things up
[07:06] <alakhia> if the live cd is better, you might wish to do a clean install
[07:06] <BoostedR36MK3> maybe i probably should have reinstalled it lol.. i had no panels in kde or nothing after the upgrade
[07:06] <alakhia> that sounds bad
[07:07] <BoostedR36MK3> last thing to fix that i know of is this network manager
[07:07] <BoostedR36MK3> funny thing is i have non of the problems others are
[07:07] <BoostedR36MK3> my flash and my sound all work fine
[07:07] <alakhia> you can also try to create a new user and see if that works better ...
[07:07] <jose> I have a question I was following some steps to install beryl and compiz fusion but I dont know what I did and "Beryl settings manager" is not opening ..
[07:07] <alakhia> it will have a clean .kde dir
[07:08] <BoostedR36MK3> i tried a new kde dir ;)
[07:08] <BoostedR36MK3> renamed the current and did a relogin
[07:08] <BoostedR36MK3> that will create a new one
[07:08] <alakhia> yeah ...
[07:08] <BoostedR36MK3> but didnt solve anything.. i had to manually add the panel and widgets
[07:09] <BoostedR36MK3> jose: its something like odccm
[07:09] <jose> I have a question I was following some steps to install beryl and compiz fusion but I dont know what I did and "Beryl settings manager" is not opening .. can someone help please? thanks :)
[07:09] <alakhia> that's strange ... i didn't have such problems
[07:09] <BoostedR36MK3> or something
[07:09] <jose> what is that Boosted ?
[07:09] <BoostedR36MK3> i installed it back on like 7.04 or whatever version that was
[07:09] <BoostedR36MK3> that is to open the manager
[07:09] <jose> oh
[07:09] <jose> so I can't install it on 9.04 ?
[07:09] <BoostedR36MK3> not sure
[07:09] <BoostedR36MK3> i havnt tried it
[07:09] <jose> :/
[07:10] <BoostedR36MK3> it used a lot of resources when i had it running
[07:10] <jose> :/
[07:10] <alakhia> kwin is better in 4.2 in my opinion
[07:11] <BoostedR36MK3> i like kde 4.2 much better than kde3 even broken lol
[07:17] <Jocker> hi
[07:17] <Jocker> who can help me with installation of LAMP?
[07:18] <alakhia> !lamp to Jocker
[07:18] <alakhia> !LAMP
[07:19] <jose> anyone knows how to install flash player for x64
[07:19] <jose> ?
[07:21] <Jocker> everybody Thanks
[07:27] <kyle__> Hey guys, Does any one know how I can rip my audio disk directly in to MP3s? cant see any option in k3b to do this
[07:30] <jose> hey anybody knows when I type su
[07:30] <jose> it appears this after i type my pass
[07:30] <jose> su: Authentication failure
[07:30] <jose> anybody knows why?
[07:31] <jose> su: Authentication failure
[07:31] <jose> how can I fix that ?
[07:31] <jose> please help
[07:32] <jose> :<
[07:32] <BoostedR36MK3> are you typing your root password
[07:32] <jose> yes
[07:32] <jose> but is not working
[07:33] <jose> I remember long time ago I had the same issue and someone here told me to do
[07:33] <jose> su -u or something like that
[07:33] <jose> and it fixed
[07:33] <jose> but I ask first before mess with this
[07:34] <BoostedR36MK3> su -l root  ?
[07:34] <jose> I dont remember should I do that?
[07:34] <jose> to make it work?
[07:34] <BoostedR36MK3> you can try it
[07:34] <BoostedR36MK3> there is no -u that i know of
[07:35] <jose> su: Authentication failure
[07:35] <jose> :/
[07:35] <BoostedR36MK3> what do you need su for
[07:35] <jose> Im trying to update java
[07:35] <BoostedR36MK3> you can use sudo command
[07:35] <jose> with the current version :S
[07:36] <BoostedR36MK3> sudo apt-get update
[07:36] <alakhia> make sure you type your own password, not root's
[07:36] <jose> so everything I install I have to do
[07:36] <jose> sudo apt-get update
[07:36] <jose> for everything right?
[07:36] <BoostedR36MK3> sudo apt-get update should update all avail
[07:36] <jose> oh great
[07:36] <alakhia> you can also use sudo to set root password
[07:37] <alakhia> i think
[07:37] <jose> really ty for helping me :p
[07:37] <jose> i have only 1 password
[07:37] <jose> the root one
[07:37] <BoostedR36MK3> might be easier for you to use a package manager
[07:38] <jose> how is that?
[07:38] <BoostedR36MK3> no need to type commands
[07:38] <jose> oh thats going to be great
[07:38] <jose> look
[07:38] <alakhia> jose: you actually have 2 users so their passwords can be different
[07:38] <jose> java still needs to be updated
[07:38] <jose> Version 6 Update 13
[07:39] <jose> Oops! You don't have the recommended Java installed.
[07:39] <jose> Your Java version is 1.6.0_0. Please click the button below to get the recommended Java for your computer.
[07:39] <alakhia> the 2 users are: you and root
[07:39] <jose> Correct
[07:39] <jose> me and root but only putting sudo works
[07:39] <alakhia> so, the two users do not have to be using the same password
[07:39] <jose> if I put su following the instruction from java website
[07:39] <jose> is not working
[07:39] <alakhia> sudo asks for your password, su asks for the root password
[07:40] <BoostedR36MK3> try sudo synaptic
[07:40] <jose> great
[07:40] <jose> package manager
[07:40] <jose> :)
[07:41] <alakhia> good call, BoostedR36MK3
[07:41] <BoostedR36MK3> now in the list you can right click and choose what you want to do
[08:06] <kyle__> does any one know how to rip to MP3s from an audio cd
[08:12] <iivv> kyle__:http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase-runtime/userguide/audio-cd.html
[08:14] <kyle__> iivv: thank you
[08:14] <iivv> kyle__: np, hope it works
[08:16] <undesigned> anyone know anything about lirc?
[09:34] <serpico> hi
[09:35] <serpico> there is a widjet to change user session fastly?
[09:37] <eeos> anyone out there who has a nice script for recursively visiting all subdirectories of a directory and executing a command?
[09:37] <svenxy> find . -type d -exec do_something_with {} \;
[09:41] <eeos> svenxy: thanks a lot .... I forgot about it, was using bash script! :D
[09:57] <serpico> glpiana: è il linguaggio con cui si creano i filmati flash
[09:57] <serpico> there is a widjet to change user session fastly?
[09:57] <svenxy> serpico - in KDE or GNOME?
[09:57] <eeos> serpico: switch user
[09:58] <serpico> svenxy: kde
[09:58] <eeos> serpico: switch user, in menu leave
[09:59] <serpico> eeos: yes but i need a widjet in desktop
[09:59] <svenxy> eeos - yep, that not fast enough? then ctrl-alt-<f9> (or <f7> or wherever the other session is running
[09:59] <svenxy> serpico - why? GUI-dependent?
[10:00] <serpico> svenxy my dad is a gui-dependent :D
[10:00] <svenxy> serpico - OK, agreed, that is a prob
[10:00] <serpico> hehehe
[10:01] <Mamarok> serpico: make a desktop icon and associate a shortcut to it?
[10:01] <serpico> mamarok: it's a good idea
[10:01] <serpico> mamarok: but can i make this?
[10:02] <Mamarok> serpico: of course, it will not look as shiny as a widget, but still can work
[10:02] <Mamarok> serpico: did you check on kde-look.org if there is no widget yet?
[10:03] <serpico> mamarok yes i've checked but i don't see any widjet
[10:03] <serpico> widget*
[10:04] <Mamarok> serpico: I mean on the website itself? maybe check also kde-apps.org
[10:05] <serpico> mamarok i'm going to see kge-apps.org
[10:08] <serpico> mamarok: there aren't
[10:08] <Mamarok> serpico: kde.apps.org
[10:08] <serpico> :(
[10:08] <Peace-> Hi guyrs
[10:08] <Peace-> -.-''
[10:09] <Peace-> guys
[10:09] <serpico> mamarok kde.apps.org don't find them
[10:10] <Mamarok> serpico: actually, what is not GUI enough in clicking on the menu and go to switch user?
[10:11] <serpico> mamarok...i don't know...my dad don't like it...bah...
[10:12] <eeos> I have a difficulty: since upgrading to 904, I cannot restart the Xserver using ctrl + alt + backspace anymore. Why? Anyone else experiencing the same?
[10:13] <Mamarok> serpico: well, he might get used to it if he tries a few times? Once a second user is loaded it's quite easy to use the shortcut, and that's should be possible to associate to a desktop icon
[10:14] <Mamarok> eeos: that has been disabled on purpose
[10:14] <Mamarok> eeos: as it's not a recommended behaviour, normally one should log out
[10:16] <eeos> Mamarok: when the system freezes, or the graphic card driver misbehaves, it is really useful
[10:16] <eeos> Mamarok: how do we reactivate it?
[10:16] <Mamarok> eeos: you can reactivate it though, you need to install a package, let me get it for you
[10:20] <Mamarok> eeos: install dontzap
[10:20] <Mamarok> !info dontzap
[10:21] <Mamarok> eeos: you can also use AltGr+SysRq+k
[10:21] <Mamarok> which is the recommende method, as it will save the session
[10:22] <Mamarok> Alt+Ctrl+Backspace doesn't
[10:23] <mari32xa> ciao
[10:28] <eeos> Mamarok: thanks for the last suggestion, it sounds very interesting .... do you knw what variables are saved within the session?
[10:29] <Mamarok> eeos: not by heart, no, but killing it the old way saves nothing
[10:30] <Mamarok> ...too late :(
[10:34] <eeos> Mamarok: sorry, I lost the key combination you gave me to restart the Xserver saving the session ....
[10:36] <Mamarok> eeos: AltGr+SysRq+k
[10:36] <Mamarok> killing X the other way round doesn't save anything at all
[10:37] <eeos> Mamarok: what variables are saved when you kill using this method?
[10:38] <{DC}Ken> morning,   I'm having a problem with the new upgrade.   I've got the intel 845G video chip and I've tried F4 to disable the graphics but it still loads compiz fusion.   It hangs on the desktop within a few seconds of boot up
[10:42] <Mamarok> eeos: I don't know by heart, sry, but that's certainly documented somewhere in a manpage
[10:43] <Mamarok> {DC}Ken: you most likely have hit a bug then, as there are problems with that intel card
[10:43] <Mamarok> {DC}Ken: also, you should not have compik fusion installed, as Kwin uses it's own desktop effects
[10:44] <Mamarok> compiz* even
[10:44] <{DC}Ken> ok
[10:44] <{DC}Ken> I installed it on an earlier verzion
[10:44] <{DC}Ken> version*
[10:45] <{DC}Ken> Is there a way to uninstall it through the recovery?
[10:45] <ola222> hi
[10:45] <Mamarok> !info compiz
[10:45] <Mamarok> {DC}Ken: you can uninistall it with sudo apt-get rempve compiz
[10:45] <{DC}Ken> ok
[10:45] <Mamarok> remove*
[10:46] <{DC}Ken> ty I'll give that a try
[10:46] <Mamarok> {DC}Ken: mind the typo
[10:46] <{DC}Ken> np  I have that problem too
[10:46] <Mamarok> {DC}Ken: its sudo apt-get remove compiz
[10:46] <Mamarok> :)
[10:46] <{DC}Ken> what server is this so I can get back here easier than chasing down the help page
[10:47] <Mamarok> {DC}Ken: server?
[10:48] <{DC}Ken> irc server
[10:48] <Mamarok> {DC}Ken: oh, you mean this channel? its on irc.freenode.net
[10:48] <{DC}Ken> ok ty
[10:48] <Mamarok> {DC}Ken: but if you have a Kubuntu installed this channel is already set to default on Quassel
[10:48] <Mamarok> Quassel= IRC client
[10:48] <{DC}Ken> thats if I can get into kubuntu lol
[10:49] <{DC}Ken> a bunch of us use afternet for some gaming and i have it saved on the windows side
[10:50] <{DC}Ken> thats why I have the {DC} tag infront of my handle
[10:50] <Mamarok> {DC}Ken: well, there is another possibility to disable the desktop effects altogether:
[10:50] <{DC}Ken> oh?
[10:52] <Mamarok> {DC}Ken: you can edit the following file (when not logged into KDE that is, so you might have to start in the recovery mode
[10:52] <Mamarok> ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc
[10:52] <Mamarok> in the upper part there is a section called compositing
[10:53] <Mamarok> where you can put 'enabled' to false instead of true
[10:54] <Mamarok> {DC}Ken: does this help you?
[10:54] <{DC}Ken> ok ty I'll give that a try first and see what happens
[10:55] <{DC}Ken> have a great day/evening and thanks again
[10:55] <{DC}Ken> I'll let you know if it did help as I have it installed on this machine under a dual boot
[11:03] <eeos> does anyone know how to change the color of the panel in kde 4.2.3?
[11:05] <Zorael> Why is it Krfb uses about as much cpu when inactive (merely humming in the background) as x11vnc does with a client connected?
[11:06] <Zorael> more, even
[11:20] <{DC}Ken> 1 more quick question
[11:21] <{DC}Ken> is there a login and password for a different admin account in recovery?
[11:22] <{DC}Ken> Mamarok:  when I tried the ~/,kde/share/config/kwinrc    it said permission denied
[11:33] <Mamarok> {DC}Ken: it's just a plain text file you can open with any editor, and the user has rights on it as it is in his user space
[11:33] <Mamarok> {DC}Ken: beware though, if you edit it with your admin rights which is default when you login in recovery mode
[11:34] <{DC}Ken> ok I tried logging in in recovery and it logged me in but I still didn't have permission
[11:34] <Mamarok> {DC}Ken: you have to change the ownership back to the user after that
[11:34] <Mamarok> {DC}Ken: you don't have to log in at all, starting in recovery mode gives you sudo rights by default
[11:35] <{DC}Ken> ok
[11:35] <Mamarok> and the default editors around are either vi or nano AFAIR
[11:35] <{DC}Ken> I tried the sudo apt-get remove compiz    but it said file was not found and 0 removed
[11:36] <{DC}Ken> but as soon as I tried to go to the desktop it shows the compiz fusion splash screen
[11:36] <{DC}Ken> ok
[11:42] <kaddi_> how can I enter a folder whose name begins with a $ in shell?
[11:43] <Mamarok> kaddi_: you can't, the $ is not an allowed sign in file or folder names
[11:43] <Mamarok> as it is used for environment variables
[11:43] <desu> kaddi_: cd \$foo
[11:44] <makdaknife> escape the $ with a backslash
[11:44] <Mamarok> still not allowed, you really should avoid that sign in names
[11:44] <makdaknife> Mamarok: it is allowed... I just tested it
[11:44] <makdaknife> Mamarok: not ideal... but it works
[11:44] <Mamarok> makdaknife: well, it shouldn't then
[11:44] <desu> technically, you can have ANYTHING except '/' in file names
[11:45] <desu> linux and most of the filesystems allow everything except '/'
[11:45] <desu> *linux kernel
[11:45] <kaddi_> desu that doesn't work in my case... :/
[11:46] <desu> kaddi_: you're doing it wrong
[11:46] <desu> kaddi_: what error are you getting?
[11:46] <Mamarok> well, it still is a reserved character and therefore it should not be used in file or folder names, escaping it is in XML or LaTeX or scripts
[11:47] <kaddi_> my bad... desu,wrong tab... :/
[11:47] <desu> Mamarok: well, the OS allows it, the filesystem allows, most of the apps allow it...
[11:47] <desu> those apps which do not, need to be fixed
[11:48] <kaddi_> Mamarok, tell that to Microsoft :p I'm lurking in my windows-wastebin ;)
[11:48] <Mamarok> desu: this doesn't change the fact it is a reserved character, so allowing it is not a good idea IMHO
[11:50] <desu> Mamarok: reserved character or not, it is still allowed... neither the OS nor the FS care which shell you're using and whether you need to espace that character :P
[11:50] <desu> *escape
[11:50] <Mamarok> check your linux books, guys: http://tinyurl.com/rescharacters
[11:50] <kaddi_> autocomplete won't work on \$RECYCLE.BIN though, it only offers the variables. Which is why I thought that backslash didn't work
[11:51] <Mamarok> kaddi_: yes, I know, Windows allows a lot of stuff that shouldn't be *sigh*
[11:52] <desu> Mamarok: neither the OS nor the FS care which characters your shell considers "reserved".
[11:52] <kaddi_> In fairness: they don't use $ for their variables either, so I suppose they didn't really see a problem in allowing them... I've never tried to name a file %comspec% or similar on Windows ... should be fun though :D
[11:52] <desu> so, yeah, they're perfectly legal and perfectly normal.
[11:59] <makdaknife> Mamarok: I just read through the chapter in your link to the Linux cookbook... there is nothing there to say that these characters are illegal, only that they are reserved and if you want to usethem they need to be quoted or escaped... our advice to kaddi was to escape the dollar sign, which is exactly what the linux cookbook tells you todo
[12:02] <Mamarok> makdaknife: well, bad wording on my side, but reserved means they should not be used elsewhere
[12:03] <Mamarok> especially if one wants to use a script that points to filenales or folders, it makes your work more compilcated and error prone
[12:04] <Mamarok> so unless you really have to, I would suggest not to use it, the alphanumeric character set is wide enough for folders and filenames
[12:06] <makdaknife> Mamarok: point taken... generally I avoid even using spaces in filenames etc... but that's because I'm a lazy coder... unfortunately if you want to script anything that is beyond the scope of your own usage and conventions, you need to accept that some people just do stupid things because those things are still permitted...
[12:24] <cuznt> i am runnign in gnome right now but i have kde 4.2.2 and when i start my keyboard ceases to work
[12:28] <yaa_> kde musdie
[12:30] <Mamarok> cuznt: are you running 9.04
[12:30] <Mamarok> ?
[12:30] <Mamarok> yaa_: do you have a question?
[12:31] <yaa_> mama hi)
[12:31] <Mamarok> yaa_: hi, do you have a question?
[12:32] <yaa_> no no thanx
[12:33] <Mamarok> !chat | yaa_
[12:33] <Mamarok> hm, taht was the wrong one...
[12:33] <Mamarok> !ot | yaa_
[12:33] <Mamarok> here you go
[12:33] <yaa_> )) i know
[12:34] <Mamarok> cuznt: still need help?
[12:35] <ahmed> how i check if samba start  at   startup or not? because everytime i start my pc i have to tun sudo \etc\init.d\samba restart if i didnt run it i got error permission when i open share on xp
[12:37] <Mamarok> ahmed: you can add it to the autostart in systemsettings -> advanced Tab -> autostart
[12:38] <desu> ahmed: sudo ln -s /etc/init.d/samba /etc/rc2.d/S99samba
[12:38] <desu> -.- Mamarok beat me to it
[12:38] <ahmed> Mamarok:  u told me befor but it didnt work
[12:38] <desu> ahah!
[12:38] <desu> ahmed: sudo ln -s /etc/init.d/samba /etc/rc2.d/S99samba
[12:38] <desu> wait wut
[12:38] <Mamarok> desu: point taken :)
[12:38] <desu> why didn't it work?
[12:38] <ahmed> desu: what it do?
[12:39] <ahmed> no i tried to add to autostart and didnt work i didnt try ur command]
[12:39] <desu> ahmed: it symlinks samba startup script to the runlevel 2 RC directory telling it to start after every other service has started
[12:40] <ahmed> ok i'll try it and tell u now
[12:40] <desu> btw, what error did you get with Mamarok's method?
[12:41] <Mamarok> desu: btw, this is not a competition :)
[12:41] <desu> >.>
[12:41] <desu> <.<
[12:41]  * desu never took this as a competition >.>
[12:41] <desu> i was just wondering why your method doesn't work >.>
[12:41] <desu> since technically it should <.<
[12:42] <Mamarok> depends on what runlevel you add it, since you can choose those in autostart
[12:42] <ahmed> i didnt get errors but when i restart i try to open shares on xp pc i get permission error so i had to run sudo \ets\init.d\samba restart to make share allowed on xp
[12:42] <desu> ah...
[12:42] <desu> ahmed: did you modify the samba config in any way?
[12:42] <desu> ahmed: also, linux uses forward slashes, not back slashes >.>
[12:43] <ahmed> desu: yes i did
[12:43] <ahmed> sorry i misstyped
[12:44] <ahmed> desu: i run  sudo ln -s /etc/init.d/samba /etc/rc2.d/S99samba in konsol do i have todo something else?
[12:45] <desu> ah, then, of course, you'll have to reload the config/restart it
[12:45] <desu> ahmed: actually, just rm /etc/rc2.d/S99samba
[12:45] <desu> you WILL have to restart it every time you modify the config
[12:47] <ahmed> desu: ok iremoved it what i have 2do  now
[12:48] <desu> sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[12:48] <ahmed> anything else?
[12:48] <desu> nope
[12:49] <ahmed> ok if i restart kubuntu do i have to run sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[12:49] <desu> hmm...
[12:49] <desu> ahmed: do this: ls /etc/rc2.d/*samba
[12:50] <ahmed> i got /etc/rc2.d/S20samba
[12:50] <desu> then no, you wont have to do that.
[12:50] <desu> (as i suspected)
[12:50] <desu> but every time you modify the config file, you will have to do that
[12:50] <bewofthe> yes i do
[12:51] <ahmed> ok let me try i'll restart and try and i'll tell u ok
[12:51] <bewofthe> rain and a fuse blew
[12:51] <desu> bewofthe!!
[12:51]  * desu huggles
[12:51] <bewofthe> my keyboard works to sign into kde 4.2.2 but then stops working.
[12:51] <bewofthe> im in gnome ait
[12:51] <bewofthe> as i type
[12:52]  * bewofthe hugs freeware
[12:52] <desu> bewofthe: go to system settings, enable sticky keys and slow keys, apply, disable sticky keys and slow keys, apply.
[12:52] <bewofthe> ok
[12:52] <desu> (in kde)
[12:52]  * desu huggles bewofthe
[12:52] <bewofthe> ah
[12:52] <bewofthe> ty
[12:54] <MushroomKingdom> Hello, and good morning. I reinstalled Kubuntu and I'm having some troubles. I basically can't find repositories in konsole for anything.
[12:54] <desu> MushroomKingdom: they aren't there in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[12:55] <MushroomKingdom> I have that file, but my Konsole wont allow me to find any
[12:56] <desu> ?
[12:56] <desu> what do you mean?
[12:56] <MushroomKingdom> sudo aptitude search [] doesn't work
[12:56] <MushroomKingdom> I can't find firefox, irssi,
[12:57] <desu> MushroomKingdom: did you run sudo apt-get update first?
[12:57] <MushroomKingdom> Hm, that may be it
[12:57] <ahmed> desu: it didnt work
[12:57] <Pici> You don't need sudo to search either.
[12:58] <MushroomKingdom> Pici: I've always got a warning message when searching without sudo
[12:58] <desu> ahmed: do this: runlevel
[12:58] <desu> MushroomKingdom: apt-get search foo
[12:58] <MushroomKingdom> desu: Thanks I think it worked. I'll find out right away
[12:58] <Pici> apt-cache search
[12:58] <Pici> or aptitude search.  there is no apt-get search funtion
[12:58] <desu> ah, yeah, apt-cache
[12:58] <desu> sorry
[12:59] <MushroomKingdom> 90% on updates
[12:59] <ahmed> <desu: N 2
[13:00] <desu> ahmed: /etc/init.d/samba status
[13:00] <MushroomKingdom> yay, thanks that worked.
[13:00] <ahmed> desu: * nmbd is running
[13:00] <ahmed>  * smbd is running
[13:01] <desu> ahmed: what seems to be the problem?
[13:01] <desu> ahmed: how exactly does it "not work"?
[13:02] <ahmed> the problem is  on xp i try to open share i type my ip \\<IP_ADDRESS> i get windows cannt find \\<IP_ADDRESS> if i run sudo \etc\init.d\samba restart it work fine it happen everytime i shutdown kubuntu or restart it
[13:03] <desu> ahmed: once again, linux uses FORWARD slashes, not backward slashes.
[13:03] <desu> ahmed: anyway, what's the exact output of the restart?
[13:03] <ahmed> ok sorry again
[13:04] <ahmed> * Stopping Samba daemons                                                [ OK ]
[13:04] <ahmed>  * Starting Samba daemons                                                [ OK ]
[13:05] <desu> hmm...
[13:05] <ahmed> after that everything work fine but if i restart the problen comes again
[13:05] <desu> and does it work now?
[13:05] <desu> hmm...
[13:05] <desu> anything else you do?
[13:05] <ahmed> it worked now after i restart samba
[13:05] <desu> hmm...
[13:05] <desu> do this
[13:05] <bewofthe> i could not find the stickey keys setting
[13:05] <desu> stop samba
[13:06] <desu> and then start it
[13:06] <desu> instead of just restarting
[13:06] <desu> bewofthe: settings -> system settings -> accessibility
[13:06] <desu> bewofthe: then modifier keys and keyboard filters
[13:07] <bewofthe> ty again
[13:07] <ahmed> desu: ok i run sudo /etc/init.d/samba stop
[13:07] <ahmed> now i run sudo /etc/init.d/samba start
[13:07] <ahmed>  * Starting Samba daemons                                                [ OK ]
[13:08] <Idhan> I have a problem with ooffice, Is installed but I can't run it, also, trough the command line, I dont get any back information about the problem.. it simply does nothing.. any help
[13:08] <vbgunz> anybody have an issue on nvidia cards where some of your screen is suddenly highlighted black (in lack of a better definition)? do you know what is happening?
[13:09] <giuseppe_> arrivederci
[13:09] <desu> vbgunz: happens with me :/
[13:10] <desu> vbgunz: no idea why, though :/
[13:10] <ahmed> desu: after i start the problem is come back again now i got the error
[13:10] <desu> Idhan: what does running oofice through the command line say?
[13:10] <desu> ahmed: file a bug, please
[13:11] <cuznt> got it thanks
[13:11] <desu> ahmed: also, paste your entire /etc/init.d/samba to pastebin.ca
[13:11] <cuznt> now 1 more ?
[13:11]  * desu huggles cuznt
[13:11] <desu> cuznt: yes? :3
[13:11] <cuznt> knetwrokmanager is no longer the default?
[13:11] <desu> "no longer the defualt"?
[13:11] <cuznt> watch a fity year old man type
[13:12] <cuznt> i turned off the manger by accident
[13:12] <cuznt> and now turning it on it no longer looks the same
[13:12]  * cuznt 's little wifi antenna is replaced
[13:12] <Idhan> desu: nothing..
[13:13] <desu> Idhan: nothing?
[13:13] <desu> Idhan: no output?
[13:13] <desu> Idhan: or something like "command not found"?
[13:13] <Idhan> desu: exactly..not output..
[13:13] <desu> cuznt: replaced?
[13:13]  * desu doesn't understand :(
[13:13] <Idhan> desu: no, the command is there..
[13:13] <desu> Idhan: try reinstalling?
[13:13] <cuznt> hard to describe
[13:14] <Idhan> desu: yes.. is the best option I think.. thank you
[13:14] <cuznt> i got it
[13:14] <ahmed> desu: i restart samba it worked again
[13:14] <ahmed> desu: http://pastebin.ca/1437665
[13:14]  * cuznt crashes into the learning curve
[13:15]  * cuznt huggles desu danks
[13:16] <desu> danks?
[13:17] <ahmed> desu: any troubles in files
[13:18] <AceKing> Hi all, I'm running Ubuntu 9.04 and on certain things I try to run it says I need administrative privileges... How do I set privileges?
[13:18] <desu> ahmed: 'sec... haven't looked at the paste yet
[13:18] <desu> AceKing: add to the group "admin" the users to whom you want to give the admin priviledges
[13:18] <desu> AceKing: man sudoers if you want to set per-program permissions
[13:19] <AceKing> desu: I'm new to Ubuntu can you tell me how to do that?
[13:19] <desu> restart|force-reload)  $0 stop; sleep 1; $0 start;
[13:19] <desu> wow...
[13:19] <desu> AceKing: type `man sudoers' in the terminal
[13:20] <desu> ahmed: seems strange, since restart only calls start and stop...
[13:20] <desu> ahmed: file a bug
[13:20] <AceKing> desu: Ok, it brought up a lot of text
[13:20] <desu> yes :)
[13:21] <desu> you're supposed to read that :P
[13:21] <ahmed> desu: I stopped samba and start it there is error i restart it it work
[13:21] <desu> though, just adding the user to the admin should give him all the permissions
[13:21] <desu> ahmed: fiel a bug :P
[13:21] <desu> *file
[13:21] <AceKing> desu: Thank you
[13:21] <ahmed> desu: how i do that
[13:22] <desu> ahmed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/
[13:23] <ahmed> then i have to write my problem there and wait??
[13:23] <desu> yes
[13:24] <ahmed> for several days of nightmare
[13:31] <AceKing> desu: I am lost. Isn't there a simple way to set admin privileges?
[13:32] <desu> AceKing: click on k-menu -> system -> kuser -> select the user you want -> add the user to the group "admin"
[13:32] <DarkTan> is there any way to dowgrade wine back to version 0.9.56?
[13:32] <desu> AceKing: the disadvantage is that the user gets full rights to the system, which you most probably do not want
[13:33] <desu> DarkTan: download 0.9.56 separately, uninstall the current, install 0.9.56
[13:33] <AceKing> desu: I am trying to use a disk partition program that it will not let me use
[13:34] <desu> ...
[13:34] <desu> AceKing: run it as "sudo <program>"
[13:34] <DarkTan> desu: how do i download it?
[13:34] <desu> DarkTan: search packages.ubuntu.orf
[13:35] <desu> *org
[13:35] <AceKing> desu: I'm sorry, I'm new to this and don't know how to do that
[13:35] <DarkTan> ok, will try
[13:36] <desu> AceKing: what's the program's name?
[13:36] <AceKing> desu: KDE Partition Mangager
[13:36] <desu> AceKing: run konsole and type sudo kparted, then enter your password.
[13:37] <AceKing> desu: Thank you
[13:37] <desu> AceKing: worked?
[13:38] <DarkTan> Desu: how do i searh the address?
[13:38] <DarkTan> that*
[13:39] <desu> sorry, it's packages.ubuntu.com
[13:39] <DarkTan> ok
[13:43] <Kiry> ok, I realize this is a very stupid question
[13:44] <Kiry> but I can not seem to get Adobe Flash to download/install so I can play Pandora radio
[13:44] <AceKing> desu: it says "Command not found"
[13:44] <skygenetic> need help on internal mic setting
[13:45] <skygenetic> help
[13:45] <skygenetic> !help
[13:46] <desu> AceKing: try sudo partitionmanager
[13:46] <desu> Kiry: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[13:47] <Kiry> the package installer says its installed already
[13:47] <Kiry> but the pandora site says it isn't
[13:47] <desu> Kiry: are you on konqueror?
[13:47] <Kiry> adept manager?
[13:47] <desu> Kiry: no, i mean, web browser
[13:48] <Kiry> (hangs head) I thought I knew more about kubuntu but I guess not
[13:48] <desu> Kiry: which web browser?
[13:48] <Kiry> oh no, firefox
[13:48] <desu> oh...
[13:48] <desu> then pandora's site sucks
[13:48] <svist> ???
[13:48] <desu> default flash plugin works fine for me
[13:48] <skygenetic> i cant record sounds and chat in skype , it seems like my internal mic is not working , how do i configure it
[13:48] <desu> skygenetic: most probably it's muted
[13:48]  * desu must go
[13:48] <skygenetic> but i do unmute it
[13:48] <desu> see ya all later....
[13:49] <Kiry> possibly pandora's site sucks but it does load and work on Win7's Firefox...
[13:50] <DarkTan> how do i install a .tar.gz?
[13:52] <AceKing> DarkTan: what are you trying to install?
[13:52] <DarkTan> an older version of wine
[13:53] <AceKing> DarkTan: why an older version?
[13:53] <DarkTan> trying to run a game called Last Chaos. according to their forums, doesn't work on the new one
[13:53] <Kiry> nope, pandora's site sucks period
[13:55] <Eruaran> Hi, I have a notebook system with Kubuntu 9.04 on it and it just wont connect to some wireless routers
[13:55] <AceKing> DarkTan: I'm not sure how to do that. You'll need someone with more experience.. Sorry
[13:55] <DarkTan> ok
[13:55] <Eruaran> Some it has no problem with, but others it just loops, repeatedly asking for your password
[13:55] <Eruaran> anyone know what to do ?
[13:56] <DarkTan> run Xfce on those routers
[13:56] <DarkTan> err... when conecting to those routers
[13:56] <DarkTan> I've had the same problem since 6.10
[13:57] <DarkTan> KDE won't connect, Xfce will. I don't know why
[13:57] <Eruaran> What does Xfce use to connect ?
[13:57] <Eruaran> (can't I just install the part I need ?)
[13:57] <DarkTan> i'm not sure, would have to log out to find out. but it does have it;s own network manager
[13:57] <Eruaran> ah
[13:59] <Eruaran> fixing problems on linux is fun
[13:59] <DarkTan> indeed
[13:59] <Eruaran> there is always a solution one way or another
[13:59] <DarkTan> so, you kow how to install programs rom tar.gz files?
[13:59] <Eruaran> Windows on the other hand, makes me want to kill myself
[14:00] <Eruaran> In general yes
[14:00] <Eruaran> Although most that I've installed that come like that tend to not need anything but to be uncompressed (like Skype)
[14:01] <DarkTan> well. i think wine needs more than that
[14:01] <Eruaran> Are you using Kubuntu ?
[14:01] <DarkTan> yeah, but i need an older version of wine
[14:01] <Eruaran> Not using the one in the repositories ?
[14:02] <Eruaran> ah i c
[14:02] <Eruaran> newer version doesn't work with something ?
[14:02] <DarkTan> correct
[14:02] <Eruaran> what app ?
[14:02] <DarkTan> Last Chaos
[14:03] <Eruaran> first time Ive heard of that game
[14:04] <DarkTan> free MMORPG
[14:05] <Eruaran> yes
[14:06] <Eruaran> hmm I've only got Wine 1.0.1 in the repositories here
[14:07] <DarkTan> i got an older one directly, just don;t know how to install it
[14:08] <Eruaran> could force install it
[14:08] <Eruaran> and deal with the broken packages as you go
[14:08] <Eruaran> :P
[14:08] <DarkTan> how does that work?
[14:09] <Eruaran> might be a bit of a pain but might still be ok
[14:10] <Eruaran> just a sec
[14:12] <Eruaran> It will require some bash commands
[14:12] <Eruaran> I'm a novice with bash but with a bit of googling its still doable
[14:13] <DarkTan> ok, will fiddle later
[14:25] <SanityInAnarchy> So... what happened to WPA in 9.04?
[14:26] <SanityInAnarchy> Anyone? Because I'm starting to feel like I should expect basic things to stop working in Kubuntu. First bluetooth, and now this...
[14:26] <kaddi_> SanityInAnarchy: I think there is a bug with the knetworkmanager, but both the gnome nm-applet and wicd should be able to connect to WPA
[14:27] <kaddi_> installing wicd will uninstall networkmanager though. just as a warning
[14:27] <GodHand> Hi, im making my own kubuntu live cd using UCK. doe any1 know how to change the default plasma theme while rooted??
[14:27] <SanityInAnarchy> Ah, alright. Just like the solution for bluetooth in 8.10 -- use something from gnome.
[14:28] <kaddi_> I think wicd isn't gnome... but maybe check that with the other people here. ;) And I found it works much better than nm.. but that's opinion :)
[14:29] <SanityInAnarchy> Well, true, wicd probably isn't. But you know, this worked in 8.10.
[14:29] <kaddi_> yes I know... and there where many other things that worked back in 8.10 :) I really regretted upgrading at first, but after overcoming these problems, jaunty is actually quite nice :)
[14:30] <SanityInAnarchy> Seems par for the course in kde4 -- take the perfectly working kde3 network manager app, port it to kde4, and drop features.
[14:30] <kaddi_> networkmanager never worked for me in kde3, lol
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> yeah, networkmanager sucked in kde3 too, but in different ways
[14:31] <kaddi_> hehe, don't make the same problems twice, eh? ;)
[14:57] <GodHand> Hi, im making my own kubuntu live cd using UCK. doe any1 know how to change the default plasma theme while rooted??
[15:01] <sylvanus_> what Instant Messenger will work with my Logitech Quickcam Chat in ubuntu 9:04
[15:02] <sylvanus_> please somebody help
[15:03] <Dragnslcr> I believe Kopete's Yahoo protocol supports audio and video
[15:04] <sylvanus_> that for me Dragnslcr?
[15:04] <Dragnslcr> Yes
[15:05] <sylvanus_> So do I have to istall Kopete?
[15:05] <Eruaran> what is with amarok
[15:05] <Eruaran> it has become unusable
[15:06] <Eruaran> rescan collection half a dozen times and it cant pick up all albums... and some albums it does pick up it doesnt put any songs in there
[15:06] <Eruaran> and it just crashed...
[15:06] <makdaknife> Eruaran: I feel your pain...
[15:06] <Eruaran> its screwed up
[15:07] <sylvanus_> do I have to install Kopete? Dragnslcr?
[15:07] <makdaknife> and it can't even play cd's without ripping them anymore....
[15:07] <Eruaran> might have to try juk I think
[15:07] <Dragnslcr> sylvanus_- it's installed by default
[15:08] <sylvanus_> where don't see it?
[15:08] <Eruaran> it cant even give me an album cover even if I point it to where I've saved one I've already downloaded for it
[15:08] <makdaknife> Eruaran: I found that it was best to nuke the amarok collection database and start from scratch last time that it freaked out
[15:08] <Eruaran> really ?
[15:08] <wizardslovak> how can i resize pictures?
[15:09] <makdaknife> Eruaran: what version are you running?  I will get the path for you
[15:12] <Eruaran> I'm talking about the one in my .kde/apps/amarok
[15:12] <wizardslovak> makdaknife: well mi picture is 2mb and i need it to be smaller .5mb
[15:12] <Eruaran> umm
[15:12] <Eruaran> .kde/share/apps/amarok
[15:12] <makdaknife> Eruaran: hmmm yeah... maybe... if you nuke it, it will be like starting over
[15:12] <Eruaran> ok
[15:12] <makdaknife> :-)
[15:13] <makdaknife> Eruaran: I highly recommend getting a later version of amarok
[15:13] <Eruaran> yeah I cant till 1am
[15:13] <makdaknife> Eruaran: many of my woes were overcome by this
[15:13] <Eruaran> off peak
[15:13] <makdaknife> Eruaran: crap... you on dial-up?
[15:14] <Eruaran> I went over my peaktime dl limit
[15:14] <Eruaran> after 1am it will be fast again
[15:14] <makdaknife> Eruaran: ah
[15:14] <Eruaran> I have cable
[15:14] <Eruaran> but I'm at 56k speed right now
[15:17] <Eruaran> this sucks
[15:17] <Eruaran> even after nuking it comes back the same
[15:18] <makdaknife> wizardslovak: you could open an image in Gwenview... and then use the Email plugin to resize it to a particular size
[15:18] <makdaknife> wizardslovak: you may need to install kipi plugins
[15:18] <Eruaran> I've never seen Amarok behave so badly
[15:18] <wizardslovak> kipi
[15:18] <Eruaran> its like its an alpha
[15:18] <makdaknife> Eruaran: sorry... I guess you will have to wait till 1pm
[15:18] <Eruaran> makdaknife: yes :P
[15:19] <Eruaran> I shall be in pain for the next 40 minutes
[15:19] <juan> hi
[15:19] <juan> q lo q.
[15:19] <makdaknife> Eruaran: yeah...  I'm forgetting the name?
[16:02] <kaddi> konversation?
[16:02] <mtnd3w> yes!
[16:03] <mtnd3w> thank you
[16:03]  * kaddi is a konversation-fangirl :)
[16:03] <kaddi> your welcome :)
[16:03] <andybleaden> has that been replaced now in jaunty by quassel then...must be I suppose as that is what I am on now
[16:05] <Eruaran> makdaknife: my upgrades are coming down the line now
[16:05] <Eruaran> :D
[16:07] <error_> I get this error massage when updating: The backend took too much time to process the synchronous request - you need to fork!
[16:08] <error_> any help?
[16:09] <error_> in 9.04...
[16:10] <makdaknife> Eruaran: good stuff... hope you like the new version
[16:10] <makdaknife> Eruaran: it looks like amarok 2.1 beta hasn't made it into the repo yet... but 2.0.9 is good enough
[16:14] <Eruaran> It still doesn't pick up all my albums :(
[16:18]  * Eruaran sighs
[16:18] <Eruaran> whats the point
[16:18] <Eruaran> cant even display album covers
[16:18] <Eruaran> crap
[16:31] <Mamarok> Eruaran: watch your language!
[16:32] <Eruaran> eh ?
[16:32] <Mamarok> Eruaran: also, Amarok 2.0.2 is quite outdated unfortunately, there should be a 2.0.96 in the repos by now and 2.1 is due later
[16:43] <epicurus> soo... kubuntu
[16:45] <Mamarok> epicurus: do you need help?
[16:45] <epicurus> nah just installed kubuntu to check it out.. impressive :)
[16:45] <Mamarok> :)
[16:48] <mahmoud_> hey guys,my display on laptop it is very slow
[16:49] <mahmoud_> it is frist time used linx kubuntu 9.04
[16:49] <Mamarok> mahmoud_: you should give some more details: CPU, RAM, graphic card
[16:50] <mahmoud_> cpu 1.8 dual-core
[16:50] <mahmoud_> 2 g ram
[16:50] <mahmoud_> gra phic card intel 945
[16:51] <mahmoud_> what do i do?
[16:51] <Mamarok> mahmoud_: you should try disable some desktop effects, do <ou know how?
[16:51] <Mamarok> *you
[16:51] <mahmoud_> how?
[16:52] <Mamarok> go to the menu -> system settings -> Desktop
[16:52] <Mamarok> there you should see an option "Desktop effects"
[16:53] <mahmoud_> ok i am here
[16:53] <Mamarok> Is the compsiting active?
[16:53] <Mamarok> compositing* even
[16:54] <mahmoud_> i dont see that
[16:55] <mahmoud_> where is?
[16:56] <mahmoud_> mamarok -- where is the compsiting active?
[16:56] <epicurus> ohh cool lol Mamarok I just turned on desktop effects
[16:57] <epicurus> looks even better ^_^
[16:57] <Mamarok> mahmoud_: when you are in the desktop effects option, you should see if the compositing is active, I guess yes as this is default
[16:59] <Mamarok> mahmoud_: there is a known bug with the driver for your card: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/342923
[16:59] <Mamarok> mahmoud_: to have a faster desktop, you can try diabling the compositing
[17:00] <pape> answer me
[17:00] <Mamarok> pape: where is your question?
[17:00] <epicurus> u didnt ask anything pape lol
[17:01] <pape> my question is i can't use amsn
[17:01] <pape> help me please
[17:02] <GinoManGFs> ... use kopete
[17:02] <GinoManGFs> :)
[17:02] <pape> who
[17:02] <GinoManGFs> kopete
[17:02] <GinoManGFs> came with kubuntu
[17:02] <Mamarok> mahmoud_: or you will have to change your X server settings to use UXA
[17:02] <GinoManGFs> or should have
[17:02] <pape> who is kopet
[17:02] <mahmoud_> how plz?
[17:02] <Mamarok> pape: kopete is an application for IM protocols
[17:03] <GinoManGFs> kopete is a program that allows you to use multiple IM protocols in one program
[17:03] <pape> where is application
[17:03] <mahmoud_> how to change?
[17:03] <pape> im protocol
[17:03] <pape> im
[17:03] <Mamarok> mahmoud_: I am not an X server specialist, let's hope somebody else can tell you how, sorry
[17:05] <mahmoud_> ok anther q it is kopete it is not work?
[17:05] <WB2Colorado> Pape, it should be in the Internet menu under applications
[17:05] <Mamarok> mahmoud_: I don't exactly understand your question I am afraid
[17:06] <Mamarok> mahmoud_: what do you want to know exactly?
[17:06] <mahmoud_> the chat is not work on kopete?
[17:06] <pape> ok
[17:07] <Mamarok> mahmoud_: Kopete is an IM protocol application, for IRC you need either Quassel or Konversation
[17:07] <kingjere> I'm one of the unfortunate victims of the NVidia kde 4.* can't come out of suspend things. Is that improved (fixed)?
[17:07] <Mamarok> and Quassel is installed by default
[17:07] <mahmoud_> ok is it no work
[17:08] <WB2Colorado> So is Konversation
[17:08] <mahmoud_> and  i need install
[17:08] <Mamarok> WB2Colorado: Konversation works quite well, rest assured :)
[17:08] <mahmoud_> some program to chat like msn or yahoo
[17:08] <WB2Colorado> I know
[17:09] <Mamarok> mahmoud_: for your graphic card problem:
[17:09] <Mamarok> !intel | mahmoud_
[17:09] <GinoManGFs> I hate Quassel
[17:09] <GinoManGFs> it kept putting me in identities that were not the ones I wanted
[17:09] <Mamarok> GinoManGFs: watch your language!
[17:10] <Mamarok> GinoManGFs: if you don't like something, just use something else then
[17:10] <GinoManGFs> like it would append a _ after my name
[17:10] <GinoManGFs> ...
[17:10] <Mamarok> there is choice enough
[17:10] <GinoManGFs> "watch your language"?
[17:10] <pape> french
[17:10] <kaddi> !fr
[17:10] <GinoManGFs> that's a new context
[17:10] <pape> i want to change the the language
[17:11] <pape> but i can't
[17:11] <Mamarok> pape: the go to #ubuntu-fr
[17:11] <Mamarok> oh, you want to change the default language in your settings you mean?
[17:11] <Mamarok> pape: in ystem settings -> Regional & Language -> add French and set it as the system language
[17:12] <GinoManGFs> I'm so bash.orging the watch your language quote
[17:13] <mahmoud_> mamarok how to install msn caht?
[17:13] <Mamarok> mahmoud_: in Kopete, there is an option AFAIR
[17:13] <Mamarok> GinoManGFs: read the topic please
[17:13] <mahmoud_> ok but is dispper
[17:14] <Mamarok> mahmoud_: what is your native language? You could get help in your mothertongue in another channel maybe
[17:14] <mahmoud_> disapper
[17:14] <mahmoud_> plz dont
[17:14] <Mamarok> ok
[17:14] <mahmoud_> ok step by step
[17:14] <Mamarok> mahmoud_: what did disappear?
[17:14] <GinoManGFs> .... Do not install kde 4.3 beta unless you are an experienced user, there are still packaging issues
[17:15] <GinoManGFs> oooooooookaaaaaay
[17:15] <mahmoud_> kopete
[17:15] <GinoManGFs> I'm remember not to do that
[17:15] <GinoManGFs> thanks for the tip
[17:15] <Mamarok> GinoManGFs: this is a support channel in the Ubuntu domain, so there are rules, including the language to use
[17:15] <pape> donner moi un sit francophone
[17:15] <Mamarok> !fr | pape
[17:15] <pape> g parle pas bien l'anglais
[17:16] <pape> ok merci
[17:16] <Mamarok> mahmoud_: what do you mean, it doesn't work?
[17:16] <mahmoud_> yes
[17:16] <mahmoud_> it is does
[17:17] <Mamarok> mahmoud_: check the panel in the lower right of your screen, there is a speech bubble?
[17:17] <Mamarok> if yes, click on it to restore Kopete
[17:18] <mahmoud_> not there
[17:18] <Mamarok> mahmoud_: then restart it
[17:18] <mahmoud_> restart what
[17:18] <mahmoud_> ?
[17:18] <mahmoud_> system
[17:18] <Mamarok> Kopete, if it is not running
[17:19] <mahmoud_> yap
[17:19] <mahmoud_> ?
[17:21] <mahmoud_> whats up?
[17:21] <Mamarok> mahmoud_: you need to have full sentences if you want me to understand your problem
[17:21] <mahmoud_> i havent
[17:22] <mahmoud_> kopete it is not work on my system and disapper
[17:22] <Mamarok> mahmoud_: then try to restart it
[17:22] <mahmoud_> i cant find it
[17:23] <mahmoud_> ok
[17:23] <Mamarok> ...patience....
[17:24] <kaddi> you've earned your coffee for today ;)
[17:25] <Mamarok> yeah, I guess so
[17:25]  * Mamarok goes and fetches a coffee now
[17:26] <mahmoud_> mamarok
[17:26] <mahmoud_> the kopete it is not there
[17:29] <Mamarok> mahmoud_: in the menu -> Internet, there is no Kopete?
[17:29] <mahmoud_> yes
[17:29] <Mamarok> yes there is?
[17:30] <mahmoud_> no it is there
[17:30] <Mamarok> then start it :)
[17:30] <mahmoud_> y
[17:30] <tomsdale> kaffeine and audacious tickel Xorg and Kwin to use more than 50% CPU power when kwin is enabled. Anyone something similar to report?
[17:30] <mahmoud_> it is
[17:31] <mahmoud_> no there
[17:31] <Mamarok> tomsdale: did you check bugs on Launchpad?
[17:31] <Mamarok> mahmoud_: oh, it is not there! sry, didn't understand you
[17:31] <Mamarok> mahmoud_: you can install it then:
[17:31] <mahmoud_> how?
[17:31] <Mamarok> mahmoud_: do you know how to use the oackage manager?
[17:32] <Mamarok> package*, sry
[17:32] <mahmoud_> no
[17:32] <mahmoud_> i am sorry iit is frist time to used kubuntu
[17:32] <Mamarok> mahmoud_: it is easiest to do in a terminal then
[17:33] <mahmoud_> ya
[17:33] <Mamarok> mahmoud_: type Alt+F2, you will have a small window on your screen then
[17:33] <mahmoud_> yes
[17:33] <Mamarok> then type: konsole and the return key
[17:34] <Mamarok> this will open a terminal window
[17:34] <mahmoud_> yes
[17:34] <Mamarok> there you type the following:
[17:34] <Mamarok> sudo apt-get install kopete
[17:34] <Mamarok> it will ask you your password
[17:35] <mahmoud_> it is done but
[17:35] <mahmoud_> not open
[17:35] <Mamarok> mahmoud_: what is not open?
[17:35] <mahmoud_> kopete
[17:36] <Mamarok> mahmoud_: this will not open it, it will install it
[17:37] <mahmoud_> i am understand but when me write that and install not anthing running
[17:37] <Mamarok> mahmoud_: it did ask you your password?
[17:37] <mahmoud_> no
[17:37] <mahmoud_> dont ask
[17:38] <neversfelde> mahmoud_: open a konsole and give as the output of
[17:38] <neversfelde> apt-cache policy kopete
[17:38] <neversfelde> s/as/us
[17:38] <mahmoud_> how i do that?
[17:38] <Mamarok> mahmoud_: are you the person who installed Kubuntu on the computer?
[17:38] <hgg> sayclip
[17:39] <Mamarok> hgg: do you have a question?
[17:39] <mahmoud_> yes
[17:39] <hgg> nope..sorry
[17:39] <Mamarok> mahmoud_: and you just did open a konsole window, didn't you?
[17:39] <hgg> I was just looking at the kopete configuration... it was saying something about command aliases..
[17:39] <mahmoud_> es
[17:39] <mahmoud_> yea
[17:40] <hgg> trying to find out how it is used..
[17:40] <Mamarok> mahmoud_: please type the following command in this window, the hit the return button
[17:40] <Mamarok> sudo apt-get install kopete
[17:40] <mahmoud_> sudo apt-get install kopete
[17:40] <Mamarok> not here, in the konsole window
[17:40] <mahmoud_> i write that
[17:41] <Mamarok> then you hit the return key
[17:41] <mahmoud_> yes
[17:41] <mahmoud_> yes
[17:41] <Mamarok> and it asks you your password
[17:41] <mahmoud_> but no running
[17:41] <Mamarok> mahmoud_: did you enter your password?
[17:41] <mahmoud_> it is no ask my password
[17:42] <Mamarok> mahmoud_: I think you should get some help close to you, this is difficult by distance
[17:42] <Mamarok> mahmoud_: there are channels in your language where you could get help too, you know?
[17:42] <kaddi> Mamarok: can I pm you?
[17:42] <Mamarok> kaddi: why?
[17:43] <kaddi> just want to run something by you :) nothing evil ;)
[17:43] <mahmoud_> sorry for this time
[17:45] <Mamarok> mahmoud_: don't be sorry, we all were starting at one time :)
[17:45] <Mamarok> mahmoud_: you did install Kubuntu or are you running a live CD?
[17:46] <mahmoud_> no
[17:46] <mahmoud_> install
[17:46] <Mamarok> you did install then,right?
[17:46] <mahmoud_> yes
[17:47] <dell> slm
[17:47] <dell> kimse yokmu
[17:47] <Mamarok> mahmoud_: and the CD is not in the computer anymore?
[17:47] <Mamarok> dell: english, please!
[17:47] <mahmoud_> yes
[17:47] <dell> okay
[17:48] <Mamarok> mahmoud_: to run from the system you need to remove the CD, else it starts from the CD again
[17:48] <mahmoud_> i do
[17:48] <mahmoud_> this
[17:49] <Mamarok> try typing: kopete - directly in the konsole then
[17:50] <mahmoud_> ok
[17:52] <mahmoud_>   Something did not happen
[17:52] <Mamarok> mahmoud_: but you have some errors in the konsole then?
[17:53] <mahmoud_> i dont know
[17:53] <Mamarok> mahmoud_: did it print something in the konsole after your command?
[17:53] <MSpin_> Hello! I'm trying to figure out a key mapping issue between the mysql CLI and konsole.  I press delete, I get a ~.  BS works fine.
[17:54] <mahmoud_> you can remot desktop on my laptop?
[17:55] <Mamarok> mahmoud_: I prefer not to, this is my work PC. Maybe you can get some help nearby?
[17:57]  * Mamarok is sorry for him :(
[18:01] <tomsdale> that's interesting. I had problems with high cpu load with kaffeine and audacious. I installed now compiz as my default window manager and the CPU load is the first time managable!
[18:03] <Jiggers> I accidently enabled slow keys
[18:03] <Jiggers> how do i enable it for future reference?
[18:03] <Jiggers> *disable
[18:03] <Jiggers> never mind
[18:03] <Jiggers> bye bye
[18:03] <tomsdale> seems kwin is not playing nicely with my system
[18:04] <Mamarok> tomsdale: which KDE?
[18:04] <tomsdale> Mamarok: 4.2 jaunty
[18:05] <Mamarok> tomsdale: kaffeine is not a KDE 4 application you should use dragonplayer instead
[18:05] <Mamarok> audacious isn't neither AFAIK
[18:06] <tomsdale> Mamarok: all I am looking for was a small footprint audio application. Dragon player is also more a video player, isn'tt it.
[18:06] <Mamarok> so is kaffeine
[18:06] <Mamarok> abd dragonplayer replaces kaffeine
[18:06] <Mamarok> and*
[18:07] <tomsdale> ok. would you recommend something for a tiny audio player. I have a lot of small files I don't want to import in amarok.
[18:08] <Mamarok> tomsdale: there is moc, running from the terminal
[18:08] <Mamarok> tomsdale: smallest I know of
[18:09] <tomsdale> thx, i'll check it out. but terminal might be too cumbersome sometimes
[18:09] <Mamarok> tomsdale: you will like it, it's a nice one
[18:09] <Mamarok> tomsdale: and you can run more than one konsole or tabs inside
[18:10] <makdaknife> tomsdale: otherwise try vlc
[18:10] <makdaknife> not that small... but works a treat
[18:10] <error_> hi. I got this error when I use kpackage kit:The backend took too much time to process the synchronous request - you need to fork!
[18:10] <error_> any idea?
[18:11] <Dragnslcr> error_- I've gotten that a few times, too, but it doesn't seem to break anything
[18:11] <tomsdale> but that compiz experiment surprises me. I have the impression compiz is more responsible with my CPU than KWin. Then again I quite tweaked it.
[18:11] <BooVeMan_work1> hi - I can't seem to remove widgets/plasmoids from my panel - so I'm stuck with five Device Notifier Icons...
[18:11] <bayardo> Hello, somebody knows how to install proprietary Graphics Driver
[18:11] <error_> it say finish, but nothing hapend...
[18:11] <Mamarok> error_: close it, then start again
[18:12] <Mamarok> bayardo: what graphic card and what version of Kubuntu?
[18:12] <error_> I did,and it repets
[18:12] <bayardo> ok its a HD2600 XT
[18:12] <Mamarok> error_: are you a bit familiar with the terminal?
[18:12] <BooVeMan_work1> bayardo: kdesudo jockey-kde
[18:12] <bayardo> an 9.04
[18:12] <error_> not too much
[18:13] <error_> litlle
[18:13] <Mamarok> bayardo: what brand is that ATI?
[18:13] <Mamarok> error_: you will see, it's quite easy :)
[18:13] <error_> yes!!
[18:13] <error_> ready
[18:14] <Mamarok> bayardo: if this is an ATI card older than 6 month don't use the fglrx driver, it's buggy and will break your X
[18:14] <Mamarok> error_: opened a konsole?
[18:14] <error_> yes
[18:14] <Mamarok> error_: sudo apt-get update
[18:14] <bayardo> yes older
[18:15] <bayardo> i dont remenber the brand
[18:15] <Mamarok> bayardo: then I suggest you check in the forums if this card is known to work with the fglrx driver first, before you install that one
[18:15] <error_> W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net jaunty Release: The following signaturescouldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 2836CB0A8AC93F7A
[18:15] <error_> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[18:15] <Mamarok> bayardo: well, there is ATI, NVIDIA and Intel, but that number doesn't look like Intel
[18:15] <TataCarComp> hi there
[18:16] <kaddi>  hi :)
[18:16] <Mamarok> error_: ok, you have a missing PPA key, do you try to install stuff from a PPA?
[18:16] <bayardo> well is a sapohire
[18:16] <BooVeMan_work1> hi - I can't seem to remove widgets/plasmoids from my panel - so I'm stuck with five Device Notifier Icons...
[18:16] <bayardo> and use to work with ubuntu
[18:16] <error_> kde is yust installed, just firefox
[18:16] <Mamarok> BooVeMan_work1: right click on the desktop, unlock widgets
[18:17] <error_> and updates
[18:17] <Mamarok> error_: well, that gpg key means you have a third party repository in your sources.list
[18:17] <bayardo> but then i pass to kubuntu and i can´t active de fglrx
[18:17] <error_> what shuld I do?
[18:17] <Mamarok> bayardo: you shouldn't, that driver is totally buggy, use the radeon driver
[18:18] <Mamarok> error_: could you please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to http://paste.ubuntu.com please and give the link here?
[18:19] <error_> ok, Il thray
[18:19] <TataCarComp> wow i didnt knew the website  http://paste.ubuntu.com. very nice!
[18:20] <Mamarok> TataCarComp: mandatory for eversything above three lines, so the channels is not overrun by pastes :)
[18:20] <BooVeMan_work1> Mamarok: they ARE unlocked - never locked them in the first place
[18:20] <Mamarok> BooVeMan_work1: hover over it and click on the x in the sidebar then
[18:21] <TataCarComp> yeah that makes sense Mamarok. ubuntu has a really smart community ;)
[18:21] <Mamarok> yep, that's why we are all here, aren't we? :)
[18:21] <error_> http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/183010/
[18:22] <Mamarok> error_: that's ok, you have the PPA for KDE 4.2.3 activated there, I'll tell you how to add the key, moment
[18:22] <BooVeMan_work1> Mamarok: I seem no t to explain me - I have now five New Device Widges in my principal Panel - i right-click them  and say Remove this ... and nothing happens
[18:22] <TataCarComp> i dont read the news in kontact so often about kde and kubuntu. and i am not really in the community. to be honest it's my first chat since years. but i think i should come here more
[18:22] <error_> ok
[18:23] <Mamarok> TataCarComp: actually, the chat is not here but in #kubuntu-offtopic, this channel is for support only
[18:24] <Mamarok> error_: gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv 2836CB0A8AC93F7A
[18:24] <TataCarComp> oh really, thanks - i've learned allready 2 things today ;)
[18:24] <Mamarok> TataCarComp: yaw :)
[18:24] <BooVeMan_work1> Mamarok: I have no x...
[18:24] <Mamarok> BooVeMan_work1: how that, you have no X?
[18:24] <Mamarok> BooVeMan_work1: you mean X is not starting?
[18:24] <BooVeMan_work1> its not the sidebar nor the desktop its the bottom panel
[18:24] <TataCarComp> ok then bye. i visit now the off topic channel. bye and thanks Mamarok
[18:25] <trappist> ever since upgrading to jaunty, all videos periodically, like, skip sort of, along with their audio.  it doesn't appear to be a performance thing, and it happens in mplayer, xine, even flash videos.  anyone seen this?
[18:25] <Mamarok> !codec | trappist
[18:25] <bayardo> well thanks
[18:25] <BooVeMan_work1> trappist: Yes - and still looking for a solution - Sound in amarok is fine
[18:25] <Mamarok> error_: you are still with me?
[18:26] <error_> yes
[18:26] <trappist> Mamarok: I've got the codecs installed.
[18:26] <Mamarok> did you type that first line I gave you?
[18:26] <error_> did that
[18:26] <Mamarok> ok second you need:
[18:26] <trappist> BooVeMan_work1: sorry to hear that, but I'm also glad I'm not alone :)
[18:27] <Mamarok> gpg --export --armor 2836CB0A8AC93F7A | sudo apt-key add -
[18:27] <trappist> BooVeMan_work1: maybe we can figure out what we have in common.  I'm using an ATI card - you?
[18:27] <Mamarok> !sound
[18:27] <error_> sey :OK
[18:27] <Mamarok> error_: then do again sudo apt-get update
[18:28] <BooVeMan_work1> trappist: Nvidia
[18:28] <Mamarok> error_: followed by sudo apt-get upgrade
[18:28] <Mamarok> error_: then check carefully if you really want to install all this
[18:29] <trappist> BooVeMan_work1: amd cpu, 32bit
[18:29] <error_> all kind of kde stuff...
[18:29] <error_> I,l upgrade
[18:30] <BooVeMan_work1> trappist: Intel CPU + board
[18:30] <trappist> crazy.
[18:30] <Mamarok> error_: it's an upgrade to KDE 4.2.3, which is mainly a bug correction upgrade, quite save
[18:30] <tyeserel> bonjour tout le monde =)
[18:30] <trappist> BooVeMan_work1: audigy sound card?
[18:30] <error_> ok
[18:30] <Mamarok> !fr | tyeserel
[18:30] <BooVeMan_work1> trappist: onboard Intel HDA
[18:30] <error_> now I can install software whit kpackagekit?
[18:31] <trappist> BooVeMan_work1: do you run kontact 24/7?
[18:31] <BooVeMan_work1> trappist: nope I'm a thunderbird guy - but that constantly
[18:31] <Mamarok> BooVeMan_work1, trappist make sure to use the xine backend in phonon and try removing pulseaudio, it doesn't go well with xine and is not needed by KDE apps
[18:31] <Jack8899> How can I make KMail let the recieved mails stay on the server, but delete them on the server, when I delete them locally. The first option is given in the settings, but the second (the deletion) not
[18:32] <BooVeMan_work1> Mamarok: THAT is a recomendation - I thought pulse would be the latest...
[18:32] <Mamarok> Jack8899: you can't do this with POP, only with IMAP
[18:32] <trappist> Mamarok: I don't use phonon and don't have pulseaudio
[18:32] <Mamarok> trappist: if you use KDE4 you have phonon
[18:32] <trappist> oh, what's the package?
[18:32] <Mamarok> there is no way around
[18:33] <Mamarok> trappist: it's one of the pilars of KDE4, handles all the sound
[18:33] <Mamarok> and installed by default of course
[18:33] <Jack8899> Mamarok: But actually I think thunderbird could do it until now...
[18:33] <Mamarok> trappist: systemsettings -> multimedia, that's phonon
[18:33] <error_> Mamarok: Thanks a loooot!!
[18:34] <Mamarok> Jack8899: well, kmail doesn't use sieve by default, it works only with the sieve protocol
[18:34] <Mamarok> Jack8899: if your server supports it you can activate that
[18:34] <Jack8899> Mamarok: What is sieve?
[18:34] <Mamarok> error_: you are welcome :)
[18:34] <Mamarok> !sieve
[18:35] <Mamarok> hm, let's google or the definition then...
[18:35] <Mamarok> for*
[18:35] <BooVeMan_work1> Mamarok: phonon works with arts or may atrs go al well?
[18:35] <BooVeMan_work1> *arts
[18:36] <Mamarok> BooVeMan_work1: there is no arts anymore in KDE4, it uses alsa
[18:36] <Mamarok> Jack8899: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sieve_%28mail_filtering_language%29
[18:36] <trappist> Mamarok: mine tells me pulseaudio doesn't work, falling back to my via hardware
[18:36] <Mamarok> arghs, sorry for the encoding...
[18:36] <BooVeMan_work1> thats the point when dist-upgrade leaves you with starnge systems
[18:36] <trappist> forgot I took that audigy out :)
[18:37] <Mamarok> trappist: well, you should disable pulseaudio anyway and selct your soundcard directly, push pulseaudio to the bottom
[18:37] <error_> me again, update gone ok,but cant insstall or list any software :-(
[18:37] <trappist> Mamarok: yeah it was already that way
[18:37] <Jack8899> Mamarok: I didnt ever have to activate that on thunderbird... but where is it to activate, i cannot find it in the pop settings
[18:38] <Mamarok> Jack8899: it's an option in the tools menu I think
[18:41] <error_> mamarok: I thurn off ppa and it is the same....
[18:41] <Mamarok> Jack8899: no, in the Settings menu actually
[18:41] <eurythmia> I'm running jaunty on a dell optiplex 760, so I have an ATI RadeonHD 3450, which has dual DVI out ... so I'm trying to set up an extended desktop (without xinerama, because it seems to be broken for ATI on jaunty), but both the catalyst control centre, and the display settings box seem to think that both displays are the same ... so I can get a mirrored desktop, but that's it. Any help would be appreciated.
[18:41] <Jack8899> Mamarok: There is a manage sieve script, but then there comes a empty window. It says available script, but its empty. I  have only one button to close it
[18:42] <Mamarok> error_: well, once it's installed you can't really go back that way :)
[18:42] <colton_> On kubuntu, there's a box which contains all of the desktop files. What is the difference between the files in this box and sitting outside of it on the desktop? (what's the function of the box?)
[18:42] <error_> mamarok: no no, I cant install anithing.ame error as before
[18:42] <Mamarok> error_: what error?
[18:43] <Mamarok> error_: you just did the upgrade, didn't you?
[18:43] <error_> mamarok: yes, but it aper when I tray to instal something
[18:43] <error_> mamarok: The backend took too much time to process the synchronous request - you need to fork!
[18:44] <Mamarok> error_: just use the konsole for installing then: sudo apt-et install <packagename>
[18:44] <Mamarok> seems your kpackegekit is not working
[18:44] <Mamarok> apt-get*
[18:44] <Mamarok> ok, I'm off for a walk, need some air, bbl
[18:45] <error_> mamarok:ok, thank, so cant use kpackagekit?
[18:45] <trappist> BooVeMan_work1: laptop or desktop, and does it do wireless networking?
[18:46] <Mamarok> error_: apparently not, but that's not a big problem once you get used to the command line, and you already started to do so :)
[18:46] <Mamarok> later!
[18:46] <BooVeMan_work1> trappist: deskop - no wireless
[18:46] <error_> mamarok:he he, ok then. it is my doom I gues
[18:47] <neversfelde> Jack8899: Seive is a programming language especially for filtering mails on imap servers
[18:48] <Jack8899> neversfelde: It's just some script language for me to programm my own filtering?
[18:49] <neversfelde> yes
[18:50] <gigi> ciao
[18:50] <gigi> !list
[18:50] <giuseppe_> mi aiutate per favore
[18:50] <alejandro> buenas a la gente del canal
[18:50] <alejandro> necesito ayuda de alguien por favor
[18:50] <alejandro> c
[18:50] <alejandro> con algo sencillo
[18:51] <gigi> come faccio a scaricare un film
[18:51] <trappist> !pt
[18:51] <alejandro> alguien que hable en español?
[18:51] <trappist> !es
[18:53] <gigi> mi date una lista?
[18:53] <giusto> alla fine non riesco a scaricare aiuto
[18:55] <giusto> buonasera e arrivederci
[18:56] <trappist> !it
[18:56] <gigi> una lista film in italiano
[18:57] <gigi> grazie
[19:03] <ati> hello everybody
[19:03] <ati> i have a problem
[19:04] <ati> my laptop wont wake up after suspend
[19:04] <gigi> !list
[19:04] <ati> i have jaunty on it
[19:04] <ati> can anybody help me?
[19:05] <trappist> gigi: please cut that out.
[19:28] <hook3d> when i use amarok, when i got to play vids on youtube/smplayer/vlc they dont move
[19:28] <hook3d> but when i close amarok videos will run fine
[19:39] <draik> I just had my internet on the desktop terminate randomly again. How do I go about seeing why it keeps on doing that?
[19:40] <eurythmia> hey, I have jaunty set up on a machine with a radeon HD3450 ... I have the fglrx driver installed (and in use), and I used the amdcccle app to set up my monitors as "separate displays" ... what I want is bigdesktop, but when I run "aticonfig --dtop=horizontal --overlay-on=1" I get the error: "Error: Options, e.g. --dtop and --desktop-setup, are not supported when RandR 1.2 is enabled!" can somebody please help me to get this figured out?
[19:42] <lindenle1> HI All, my keyboard just stopped working, is there some known bug in kubuntu that can cause this?
[19:43] <isotope> atheros+wep question
[19:44] <isotope> it appears that the driver works as I'm able to scan for wireless networks
[19:44] <isotope> but it always fails to get an ip address
[19:44] <isotope> can I assume its not a drive issue?
[19:44] <isotope> driver issue?
[19:45] <alex_dinamo> hello guys
[19:46] <alex_dinamo> one question, how safe is network upgrade from 8.04 -> 8.10?
[19:46] <alex_dinamo> I tried it on a previous release and had bad luck and ended up with a wrecked system
[19:47] <SandGorgon> anybody use koffice 2.0 ? I'm reading rave reviews over at slashdot
[19:48] <chaos2fu> hii can someone help me to connect with a VPN usinng the pptp-protocoll?
[19:49] <slow-motion> hi
[20:15] <sea> Hi, question: where does one put a font to install it?
[20:16] <sea> oh nvm, found it
[20:17] <antar> podskajite russkiy kanal
[20:19] <Jack8899> I cannot run more then one multimedia application. It's like the first multimedia pp I run is using the audio stream so the other apps cannot play audio.
[20:23] <astrobear> i badly need koffice
[20:23] <astrobear> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libg/libgsf/libgsf-1-114_1.14.7-0ubuntu1_i386.deb  404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[20:23] <astrobear> i'm in a live cd right now
[20:23] <astrobear> because i can't install koffice in the kubuntu i have installed
[20:23] <Pici> What version of Kubuntu are you using?
[20:23] <astrobear> for some reason i was thinking koffice would be installed in the kubuntu live cd, silly me
[20:23] <astrobear> anyway, i need help
[20:24] <astrobear> pleas
[20:27] <astrobear> bah
[20:28] <astrobear> i ended up deleting everything from the /etc/apt/sources.list file and just putting in the jaunty url
[20:28] <astrobear> seems to work...
[20:28] <astrobear> downloading right now
[20:28] <astrobear> guess this is an older ubuntu and the repos aren't online anymore
[20:34] <[[BoCcA_Di_RoSa]> io italia
[20:34] <smike> hi all
[20:39] <iivv> how do i make exceptions for certain fonts in .fonts.conf?
[20:46] <senorpedro> anyone using the chromium build?
[21:01] <Schwag> i was wondering guys, i just installed my nvidia drivers, but everytime i restart i have to reinstall them, but they function perfectly everytime i reinstall, and i always save the x config, it just never uses it after i restart, what gives? and i cant use the nv restricted drivers wither, then my secondary monitor doesnt work, and none of my opengl apps work then either
[21:02] <Mamarok> you don't have to reinstall them, reconfigure you mean I think :)
[21:02] <Mamarok> or are the pacakges removed?
[21:03] <Schwag> no there still there, just everytime i restart the computer the drivers dont work, and i have to reinstall them
[21:03] <Schwag> and the restriceted drivers do not work at all
[21:03] <Mamarok> reconfigure
[21:04] <Mamarok> or activate if you prefer
[21:04] <Mamarok> installing would be adding new packages
[21:04] <Schwag> how do i reconfigure? or activate it?
[21:04] <[[BoCcA_Di_RoSa]> io italia
[21:05] <Schwag> and so im gonna have to reconfigure everytime i restart? i never had this problem before till i switched to kubuntu
[21:05] <Schwag> all ive ever done with any distro is install the nvidia drivers off their site and nvidia settings, set the card up, save the xconfig and voila
[21:06] <Mamarok> Schwag: no, that should not happen, unless you restart without saving your settings
[21:06] <Mamarok> Schwag: well, you didn't say you were using extermal sources, why not use the nvidia drivers distributed in the repos?
[21:06] <Schwag> they dont work
[21:07] <Mamarok> Schwag: are you sure? I know a lot of people who use those and they work prefectly well
[21:08] <Schwag> i just tried the restricted nvidia drivers, no opengl apps work, cant adjust resolution, and nvidia-settings doesnt work either
[21:08] <Mamarok> did you use kde-jokey to configure it?
[21:08] <Schwag> no
[21:09] <Mamarok> Schwag: well, if they really don't work for you, please file a bug on Launchpad so that gets fixed
[21:09] <Mamarok> Schwag: jockey is the tool to configure proprietary hardware drivers, you should use it
[21:13] <jose> Hi I need help please.... I can't watch videos over youtube with mozilla ubuntu 9.04 x64 bits .. sometimes the flash player works sometimes it doesn't please help :(
[21:16] <jose> anybody knows ? please?
[21:17] <DasEi> jose: close browsers, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:17] <Mamarok> !pateince | jose
[21:17] <Mamarok> !patience | jose
[21:17] <Mamarok> ok, I call it a day, far too tired to make usefull support anymore
[21:18] <jose> I'm sorry
[21:18] <Mamarok> jose: hever mind :)
[21:22] <jose> Mamarok it says
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[21:22] <jose>  │
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[21:24] <jose> should I close the terminal now? Sorry for the noob question
[21:24] <jose> I'm new with ubuntu :x
[21:34] <iivv> how do i check what version of kde i am running
[21:41] <heberth> hijos
[21:52] <stephane> bonjour
[21:57] <johny-b-goode> Hello People.
[21:57] <johny-b-goode> I'm having an issue with the bottom panel not resizing after resizing using kRotate kAnd KSize kAnd KEverything gadget.
[21:58] <johny-b-goode> Is there a way in kde to resize the screen without using that tool?
[22:01] <draik> What does 'history -r' do?
[22:34] <pafnow> HI
[22:35] <kaddi> hi pafnow :)
[22:35] <kaddi> too slow :/
[22:51] <mihalis> anybody knows about blocked kernel updates???
[22:51] <DasEi> mihalis: more precisely ?
[22:52] <mihalis> kpackagekit finds updates about linux-generic etc but does not update
[22:53] <jamesjedimaster> is there any error message?
[22:54] <mihalis> no .there is no update option....I heard that I should add kde 4.2.2 repositories .... but still nothing
[22:55] <jamesjedimaster> try with command line apt-get update and upgrade
[22:55] <mihalis> I did it but nothing really happened
[22:56] <jamesjedimaster> did apt-get upgrade shows anything about an update for the kernel?
[22:56] <ign0ramus> mihalis, what if you try to install the kernel directly in terminal? (use "aptitude search linux-image" to find)
[22:57] <mihalis> has it has the updates but it says tha the 4 packages will remain as they are
[22:58] <mihalis> ign0ramus I am a bit afraid to do it with no automated procedure....
[22:59] <ign0ramus> mihalis, the only 'automation' is apt, which you would be using with or without a gui...
[22:59] <mihalis> ok I will try it....
[23:00] <mihalis> ign0ramus do u know anything about apparmor (an other subject)
[23:00] <ign0ramus> mihalis, not really, because my kernel doesn't support that module.  sorry.
[23:01] <mihalis> Do u use SElinux?
[23:02] <ign0ramus> mihalis, no, i use Kubuntu Jaunty, but I use kernel 2.6.30rc7, which doesn't support Apparmor
[23:02] <slow-motion> n8
[23:03] <mihalis> I feel like to talk about linux security .......
[23:03] <mihalis> I have some concerns lately
[23:03] <ign0ramus> mihalis, that is an excellent topic, but this channel relates to kubuntu support
[23:04] <mihalis> yes reffering to kubuntu mainly
[23:05] <ign0ramus> mihalis, SELinux has excellent documentation
[23:05] <speedj> Hello all
[23:05] <speedj> I have a litlle problem with Kubuntu...
[23:05] <ign0ramus> mihalis, you can find a lot of information here http://selinux.sourceforge.net/
[23:06] <speedj> In the installation, I install Ubuntu, and after, I download the paquets for Kubuntu.
[23:07] <speedj> But, in the start of kubuntu, the language of my application are in english...and I'm french, and a new user in the world of linux
[23:07] <ign0ramus> speedj, are you using a Kubuntu install disc or an Ubuntu install disc?
[23:07] <mihalis> i will have to give it a try because even if apparmor ships with kubuntu 9.04 Crispin Cowan (lead programmer) was hired by MS and it will be abandoned...
[23:08] <speedj> So, I download the paquets "Langage Fr" (with sudo apt-get...), but my applications are again in english
[23:08] <mihalis> speedj try download the original iso from kubuntu site
[23:09] <mihalis> and install from there
[23:09] <ign0ramus> speedj, in System Settings, there is Regional & Language... have you tried specifying votre langue there?
[23:11] <ign0ramus> speedj, Once you change your language, log out and when you log in once more, your system should be in your preferred language
[23:11] <speedj> That's a good idea, but I want Gnome+KDE, and I suppose that if i install Ubuntu and after Kubuntu, it may become a problem for the partitions of mondrive disk...?
[23:12] <speedj> *on my drive disk
[23:12] <mihalis> hoe did you install kubuntu once again ... ?
[23:13] <mihalis> *how
[23:13] <ign0ramus> speedj, if you are installing 2 OSes on 2 separate partitions, simply select your language using the install procedure
[23:14] <ign0ramus> speedj, if you are using gnome and kde on a single install and switching between the two, make sure each environment is set to your language in each environment
[23:14] <mihalis> ign0ramus shounldn't he install the kde 4 packages on the same partition?
[23:14] <mrr> Hello
[23:15] <mihalis> (an opinion)
[23:15] <speedj> By the "gestionnaire of paquetages" (i'm sorry, i don't know the word in english for "gestionnaire")
[23:15] <ign0ramus> mihalis, it depends on what he is trying to accomplish...
[23:16] <ign0ramus> speedj, your "package manager"
[23:16] <speedj> yes
[23:17] <speedj> I search "kubuntu-desktop" in my package manager, and i install kubuntu
[23:17] <luigi> hello
[23:17] <speedj> and now, i have a problem with the language of kubuntu
[23:17] <ign0ramus> speedj, yes, and when you log into kde, you can change the language if it is not what you want ... in System Settings
[23:17] <luigi> idem
[23:18] <mihalis> have you  installed your specific language packages ....?
[23:18] <speedj> i know that, i try, but...impossible, my applications stay in english
[23:18] <ign0ramus> speedj, did you log out of kde, and then log in again?
[23:19] <speedj> yes, i installed the package in fr
[23:19] <speedj> yes
[23:19] <speedj> but nothing
[23:21] <ign0ramus> speedj, do you have
[23:21] <ign0ramus> "kde-l10n-fr
[23:21] <ign0ramus> installed?  (stupid enter button)
[23:22] <speedj> ah, no, maybe a solution
[23:23] <ign0ramus> JontheEchidna, you here?
[23:23] <speedj> and i install this by the command "sudo apt-get kde-l10n-fr" ?
[23:23] <ign0ramus> speedj, ouai
[23:23] <speedj> ok, thank you
[23:24] <speedj> thank you ignoramus
[23:24] <ign0ramus> speedj, hope this helps you
[23:24] <ign0ramus> speedj, pas de probleme :)
[23:24] <speedj> merci :-)
[23:25] <ign0ramus> speedj, then try to apply your language again in kde and log out and log in... you *should* have your apps in your language then.
[23:26] <speedj> ok, i try this now
[23:27] <speedj> and so, i must be quit IRC, because I have on Gnome this
[23:27] <speedj> good bye
[23:29] <trappist> if I play video in any app, including flash, as in youtube, every couple of minutes it seems to have a minor siezure, the audio and video skip a few seconds.  this is ever since the upgrade to jaunty.  anybody else seeing this?
[23:30] <ign0ramus> trappist, what kind of graphics card?
[23:31] <trappist> ign0ramus: ati, but I talked to a guy earlier who had the same issue with nvidia
[23:31] <trappist> I was hoping to find him here again to ask him if he's running compiz
[23:31] <ign0ramus> trappist, does it work better if you are not running compiz?
[23:32] <trappist> ign0ramus: I don't know, it's a bit of a pain to shut down compiz, and I may have to watch 20 minutes of video to test.  was hoping to find more issue-friends before going through all that.
[23:32] <trappist> a pain because I have a zillion apps running, and they don't usually handle the transition well
[23:33] <trappist> before you say it, though, it does still happen with all those apps shut down
[23:33] <ign0ramus> trappist, i don't have ati, so i cannot duplicate... my only advice would be to checking compositing (compiz) and your ati drivers
[23:34] <trappist> ign0ramus: well I got confirmation earlier that it's not ati-specific.  also not amd-specific and a bunch of other things, but it may be compiz-specific... my compiz performance suffered a lot with the upgrade too.
[23:35] <trappist> maybe I could log in with gnome and see if it still happens.  that's a pain too though, so maybe tonight I'll do all that at the same time.
[23:35] <ign0ramus> trappist, Jaunty has a lot of video regressions (especially with Intel graphics)... it would help to narrow down your issues by doing things like disabling compiz and seeing if you have the best driver for your graphics first... .02
[23:35] <gmiernicki> anyone else having problems with linux-rt hanging the entire system a few minutes after logging in?
[23:35] <gmiernicki> linux-rt seems VERY unstable :(
[23:36] <trappist> ign0ramus: yeah that's what I want to do, narrow it down - preferably by finding somebody with the same problem and a somewhat similar setup, but I'll gather more info here and come back to whine some more ;)
[23:36] <ign0ramus> trappist, we'll be here :)
[23:37] <trappist> gmiernicki: I wouldn't recommend running linux-rt unless you're like running a nuclear power plant or something
[23:37] <gmiernicki> its supposed to be used in DAW's
[23:37] <gmiernicki> for realtime audio in jack
[23:37] <trappist> ah that - yeah that's another good use :)
[23:38] <gmiernicki> of coz, its pretty frustrating when the system hangs for no apparent reason
[23:38] <trappist> I would imagine you'd have to be careful what kind of resources you have competing for realtime execution
[23:38] <gmiernicki> and the #linux-rt ppl have nothing good to say about the ubuntu linux-rt package
[23:39] <trappist> they probably know what they're talking about
[23:39] <trappist> you could build your own rt kernel
[23:39] <gmiernicki> yes, they develop the real kernel patch
[23:39] <gmiernicki> apparently the ubuntu team did their own, and it sucks :(
[23:39] <gmiernicki> sorry i cant be more apathetic
[23:40] <trappist> I wouldn't be surprised if there's a bunch of other (maybe unnecessary stuff) in the ubuntu rt kernel that may conflict with its realtime-ness
[23:40] <trappist> my advice would be to file a bug and build your own rt kernel
[23:41] <gmiernicki> u got me there, i dont know much about how the ubuntu kernel team works
[23:41] <gmiernicki> im not sure building my own kernel would be the best approach, as i would have to go with 2.6.29
[23:41] <trappist> I don't know much about the team, but I know distro kernels in general and ubuntu kernels in specific are chock full of non-mainline features that are nice for most systems but not so nice for others... including, apparently, realtime systems
[23:41] <gmiernicki> prolly cause all sorts of fun problems with 9.04
[23:42] <trappist> I wouldn't expect that to be a problem at all.  in fact I just saw an announcement of a repo that provides daily builds straight from the git tree.
[23:42] <gmiernicki> could you post the link to that?
[23:43] <trappist> let me dig it up...
[23:43] <nightdrever> how do i get a room list?
[23:44] <trappist> gmiernicki: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/
[23:45] <gmiernicki> thanks trappist
[23:45] <trappist> gmiernicki: I'm not sure how you'd fashion your sources.list, but here's the announcement: http://blog.redvoodoo.org/2009/05/daily-upstream-crack-of-day.html
[23:45] <ign0ramus> nightdrever, /list is one way, but it may flood your connection
[23:46] <trappist> I think /list takes a filter argument
[23:46] <DasEi> nightdrever: /list                   in your irc client
[23:46] <trappist> there's a bazillion channels, you don't want the full list
[23:46] <ign0ramus> trappist, it can, but if you are looking for a complete list, no filters necessary
[23:47] <nightdrever> thankz
[23:47] <trappist> true, but the complete list is probably too long to be very useful for most purposes
[23:47] <ign0ramus> trappist, touche :)
[23:48] <solipcyst> Hello everyone.  So, I'm trying to nail down why my boot takes so long, and I installed bootchart from the official repos, but it doesn't seem to be working? (no trace of bootchartd on my system).  Any help?  General boot speed help is much appreciated as well.
[23:49] <ign0ramus> solipcyst, have you turned off usplash to see what operations are being performed at boot?
[23:50] <solipcyst> ign0ramus: no i haven't.  i've tried switching switching around my views with ctrl+alt+function-keys, and one of the screens says something to the effect of "loading hardware..." while it hangs
[23:51] <solipcyst> how would i temporarily turn off usplash?
[23:51] <ign0ramus> solipcyst, edit your "/boot/grub/menu.lst" and take the word 'splash' out of the string you boot from
[23:52] <ign0ramus> solipcyst, this is probably your quickest and easiest way to troubleshoot long boot times... you should start there first.
[23:52] <solipcyst> ign0ramus: i'll give that a go.  any clue about my original question regarding bootchart.  a quick search turned up a lot of dead ends regarding bootlogging in general other than bootchart.
[23:53] <ign0ramus> solipcyst, never used bootchart :/
[23:53] <solipcyst> ign0ramus: no problem.  i probably should have tried a simpler route such as the one you suggested first anyway.  i'll likely be back here soon :)
[23:54] <ign0ramus> solipcyst, best of luck!
[23:54] <DasEi> solipcyst: check your /var/log/syslog for errors,  do a: dmesg > dmesg.txt in trml an check the txt file, install bum and pick out uneeded services
[23:54] <DasEi> !bum
[23:54] <ign0ramus> DasEi, he left
[23:54] <phoenixz> How can I let SSH ignore the knownhosts file? I have some weird problem with a program that keeps replacing the knnown host file and with that it messes up its own ssh calls.. I want to configure ssh to ignore the known hosts file for the moment, just to be able to continue testing. How do I do this?
[23:55] <DasEi> ign0ramus: thx for dis-ignorance :)
[23:56] <nightdrever> ok i installed a chess program xboard...when i start it it comes up........failed to start first chess program gnuchessx on localhost: No such file or directory........HOW DO I FIX THIS???
[23:56] <ign0ramus> DasEi, i have my moments :)
[23:56] <nightdrever> THEN SOMETHING ABOUT A BROKEN PIPE
[23:57] <ign0ramus> nightdrever, first result on a google search: http://www.delorie.com/gnu/docs/xboard/FAQ.html#[C.22]
[23:58] <ign0ramus> hi dad!
[23:59] <ign0ramus> bye dad :'(