[12:14] <katabatic> somebody PLEASE help.........
[12:14] <MrLinux> yes Yuma
[12:15] <intelikey> heh frojnd modprobe -l i2c
[12:15] <intelikey> try that one.
[12:15] <MrLinux> I have some background broceses runing now is a problem ?
[12:15] <animimotus> I have search in manual and program preferences
[12:15] <intelikey> heh frojnd modprobe -l i2c-*   even
[12:15] <Yuma> MrLinux: You should have the Add programs open.
[12:15] <Yuma> MrLinux: The "Add/Remove Programs" program.
[12:16] <Yuma> MrLinux: Close it, because it locks the apt-get (the "original" installer).
[12:16] <frojnd> FATAL: Can't have multiple wildcard
[12:16] <intelikey> frojnd i normally just turn on bash_completion and do a modprobe i2c[tab_key]
[12:16] <MrLinux> Need to get 206kB of archives.
[12:16] <MrLinux> After unpacking 586kB of additional disk space will be used.
[12:16] <MrLinux> Do you want to continue [Y/n] ?
[12:16] <MrLinux> Yes ?
[12:16] <NeonLightning> what is the command line to mount a drive so my user can get at it
[12:16] <NeonLightning> and write to it
[12:17] <Yuma> MrLinux: Yes!
[12:17] <frojnd> intelikey: huh?
[12:17] <intelikey> NeonLightning mount.
[12:17] <Yuma> MrLinux: You want that, don't you?
[12:17] <MrLinux> yes ofecorse :D
[12:17] <NeonLightning> well mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 doesn't let my user write to it
[12:17] <Yuma> MrLinux: Then *Go*!
[12:17] <MrLinux> * Restarting OpenBSD Secure Shell server...                             [ ok ]
[12:17] <MrLinux> Setting up ssh (4.2p1-7ubuntu3) ...
[12:17] <MrLinux> root@ubuntu:/home/ubuntu#
[12:18] <MrLinux> now what ?
[12:18] <intelikey> NeonLightning then set the permissions
[12:18] <NeonLightning> can i do that from konquer
[12:18] <frojnd> intelikey: i succed:
[12:18] <Yuma> MrLinux: Then you have the ssh port open.
[12:18] <katabatic> SOMEBODY please help me figure out why it's not connecting to the router with DHCP automatically on boot, on wired network. I can tell it to connect manually, and it connects, but not automatically at boot! I installed some packages, and it stopped working, can't figure out what.
[12:18] <MrLinux> is open now ?
[12:18] <Yuma> MrLinux: Well, it's not open, it's listening for a ssh connection.
[12:18] <MrLinux> tnx man :P
[12:18] <Yuma> MrLinux: No problem.
[12:19] <Yuma> katabatic: Is the router configured to be a Dhcp server?
[12:19] <intelikey> NeonLightning you first of all didn't specify what the fs was.   meaning that we would have to assume linux ext3   that being the default   (however it's probably ntfs which you should have specified)
[12:19] <frojnd> intelikey: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1237/
[12:20] <NeonLightning> well one drive is a ext3 and ones a fat32
[12:20] <NeonLightning> but i'm only concerned with getting one right now
[12:20] <Vluid>  /WHOIS
[12:21] <intelikey> frojnd yep   so insert the one that you need.    and don't ask me what you need.  i've never seen your computer nor a hardware list for it.
[12:21] <frojnd> insert in what
[12:21] <intelikey> NeonLightning if the one you mounted is ext3   then sudo chmod 777 /it's/mount/point
[12:22] <fabrizio> scusate ,c' qualche italiano??
[12:22] <Yuma> !it
[12:22] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:22] <Yuma> :)
[12:22] <fabrizio> grazie, ho linux solo da 30 minuti circa e st cercando di scoprire i vari programmi...!!
[12:22] <intelikey> NeonLightning if you want the vfat writable  try   sudo mount -o remount,umask=000 /it's/mount/point
[12:23] <NeonLightning> remount?
[12:23] <intelikey> NeonLightning the reason they are different is M$ file systems have no permissions bit  so a vertual permissions bit is set for the entire fs.
[12:24] <NeonLightning> yea i knew that but didn't know what remount does
[12:24] <intelikey> NeonLightning it "remounts" it.
[12:24] <Yuma> Well, someone knows any case of having a Vim, Kate, Quanta, Konqueror, Firefox to see some file different of the `cat file`?
[12:24] <intelikey> NeonLightning man mount
[12:25] <intelikey> frojnd insert into the kernel    that's what modprobe does.   it insert a module into the running kernel
[12:25] <NeonLightning> /dev/hda1 on /mnt/hda1 type vfat (rw,umask=000) and its still not letting me write to it i tried setting the umask to 500 and still not luck
[12:26] <Yuma> Nevermind.
[12:27] <intelikey> hmm   /dev/hda1 on /mnt/hda1 type vfat (rw,umask=000)        and echo test > /mnt/hda1/testfile ; cat /mnt/hda1/testfile
[12:27] <frojnd> intelikey: I added one modue into runnig kernel, hod do I use now sensors
[12:27] <NeonLightning> that worked
[12:28] <intelikey> NeonLightning then you have read write access
[12:28] <intelikey> if your file browser cant write close it and try again
[12:28] <NeonLightning> so its just konquerer not listening
[12:29] <intelikey> NeonLightning yeah probably read the perms one time and has it's mind made up that it can't write there.   there is probably a way to refresh that but a close reopen should suffice
[12:30] <NeonLightning> didn't suffice and i noticed that i was going through media not mnt and when i try going through mnt it isn't even letting me do anything other then copy and create a cd out of the folder
[12:31] <intelikey> frojnd did you install the kde front end also ?
[12:31] <intelikey> frojnd ksensors ?
[12:31] <NeonLightning> damn nautilus is so much better but i can't find my normal ubuntu cd's
[12:32] <intelikey> NeonLightning is that a live CD you are running ?
[12:32] <NeonLightning> ya
[12:32] <NeonLightning> i kinda broke my /boot partition on my fc4 install and don't have anywhere to backup my user folder so i can reinstall
[12:33] <NeonLightning> because i just wanbna wipe out that drive but i got stuff i gotta backup off there worth about 40gig
[12:34] <intelikey> NeonLightning ok.   well you could rebuild the boot partition and make it bootable again.... err scratch that.   you don't like the command line....
[12:35] <NeonLightning> i'm find with command line just don't know how to rebuild it
[12:35] <intelikey> !away | zeekstarr
[12:35] <ubotu> zeekstarr: Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines
[12:35] <NeonLightning> everyone just keeps telling methey don't have a clue how to fix it eather
[12:35] <fabrizio> c' qualche italiano??
[12:35] <NeonLightning> the boot partition got formated when i let ym friend use my computer
[12:35] <kris_> ++++++
[12:35] <NeonLightning> well not formated deleted
[12:36] <intelikey> NeonLightning install testdisk  and run it.
[12:36] <NeonLightning> i don't have that drive in the computer right now
[12:36] <NeonLightning> i needed room for my other cdrom so i could still write a cd off the live
[12:36] <intelikey> if the damage is only to the partition table that should recover it.
[12:37] <intelikey> i see
[12:37] <juanito> he
[12:37] <NeonLightning> no they were screwing around in qtparted and removed the partition
[12:37] <juanito> im spanhis
[12:37] <intelikey> yes but if they havent over writen it it should be recoverable
[12:37] <juanito> alguien habla espaol?
[12:37] <intelikey> !es
[12:37] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[12:38] <juanito> ok
[12:38] <NeonLightning> hrm well i might do that later then(don't got time tonight)
[12:39] <intelikey> and even if it's not you can still copy a kernel and initrd into /boot on the main install partition and reinstall your boot loader and it should boot.
[12:40] <NeonLightning> well i think i have the parition backed up but i don't know how to set it as /boot again
[12:40] <intelikey> just copy it's content to the mountpoint    easiest way
[12:41] <tempy> hi all, on kubuntu 6.10, what repostory is 'qemu' in? i have main restricted universe mulitverse enabled but install qemu failes
[12:41] <NeonLightning> well if i can get my g/f to be find about me and my son chilling at my dad's a bit longer i may do this tonight
[12:41] <intelikey> !qemu
[12:41] <ubotu> qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[12:41] <intelikey> !info qemu
[12:41] <ubotu> qemu: fast processor emulator. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.2-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 3630 kB, installed size 9860 kB (Only available for amd64 i386 powerpc alpha sparc arm s390)
[12:41] <tempy> multiverse* failed*
[12:41] <intelikey> it's in universe             ^
[12:42] <tempy> k, weird
[12:42] <intelikey> she will to be find about it some
[12:44] <lenscape> how do I get kubuntu to leave my search path alone in /etc/resolv.conf ?
[12:44] <tempy> is it advisable to have main restricted universe multiverse set in the security.archives?
[12:44] <intelikey> lenscape find the script that's changing it and nuke that puppy
[12:44] <sleepy495> what's the konsole command to see if you have rendering on?
[12:44] <intelikey> or rewrite it that it.
[12:45] <BluesKaj> for  ATI it's fglrxinfo
[12:45] <intelikey> sleepy495 glx something ???
[12:45] <intelikey> i'be never played with it
[12:45] <intelikey> i've
[12:46] <BluesKaj> glxinfo
[12:46] <intelikey> BluesKaj probably  fglrxinfo  that i was thinking about
[12:47] <Yuma> lenscape: Do you configure the network with dhcp?
[12:47] <lenscape> Yuma: yes
[12:48] <intelikey> well i've shut every one up i think i'll go now.
[12:48] <Yuma> lenscape: There you have the problem.
[12:48] <lenscape> Yuma: in SuSE it is easy to tell dhcpd to leave the search alone
[12:48] <Yuma> lenscape: dhclient overwrite the information of /etc/resolv.conf with the dhcp server information.
[12:48] <Yuma> lenscape: I think it's in /etc/conf.d/dhcp
[12:48] <Yuma> lenscape: Wait, I'll search.
[12:48] <lenscape> Yuma: but I can't find the option in kubuntu
[12:49] <intelikey> lenscape you set the file imutable  :)
[12:49] <lenscape> intelikey: then I don't get the other info
[12:49] <Yuma> lenscape: /etc/dhcp3/dhclient
[12:49] <lenscape> what's annoying is that I've told my dhcp server to announce two search parameters but kubuntu is ignoring the second
[12:49] <Yuma> lenscape: You should do a `info dhclient.conf` to know what to change.
[12:50] <Yuma> lenscape: I can't remember right now.
[12:50] <Yuma> lenscape: Sorry, the file is: /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[12:51] <lenscape> no info on dhclient.conf. Got a man page, though
[12:51] <der0b> Hey folks, is there a way to have Knetworkmanager take my wpa password from kwallet?
[12:51] <lenscape> intelikey: quite. Info is a pain
[12:52] <lenscape> info is almost impossible to navigate in a console. Konqueror makes it usable
[12:52] <Yuma> lenscape, intelikey: Is there any way to make man use less instead of more?
[12:52] <intelikey> !wifi | der0b
[12:52] <ubotu> der0b: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:52] <lenscape> Yuma: use Konqueror
[12:52] <der0b> much thanks
[12:52] <intelikey> that's the best i can do on that der0b not sure it will help
[12:53] <Yuma> lenscape: Konqueror? man;/dhclient.conf?
[12:53] <lenscape> Yuma: #whatever
[12:53] <der0b> I'm thinking I can, doesn't hurt to read a bit :)
[12:53] <der0b> *can't
[12:53] <Yuma> Woooooooo...
[12:53] <lenscape> Yuma: man:/whatever works too
[12:53] <lenscape> also, use
[12:53] <lenscape> ## for info
[12:54] <intelikey> that's it.
[12:54] <Yuma> Hey wait.
[12:54] <intelikey> i knew there was a shorter short cut
[12:54] <Yuma> lenscape, intelikey: The "info problem" isn't of info, but of Konqueror.
[12:54] <intelikey> ## and #  and isn't there something like ! also  or is it |
[12:54] <Yuma> If you open a terminal and do a `info dhclient.conf` you find the information.
[12:55] <lenscape> that's just info reading man pages
[12:55] <intelikey> Yuma not the top node of the info tree ?
[12:55] <intelikey> info is never blank
[12:55] <lenscape> Yuma: that's not a real info page
[12:56] <intelikey> not from the command line it isnt
[12:56] <Yuma> Hmmm, then how are the info pages?
[12:56] <lenscape> anyway, thanks for the pointer. I'll have a play tomorrow.
[12:56] <Yuma> Because I thought info do read the man pages.
[12:56] <intelikey> info nothing@all   and you get a page
[12:57] <Yuma> Oh, but info dhclient.conf do the trick.
[12:57] <intelikey> there are info pages too
[12:57] <Yuma> Not the node tree, but the man page for dhclient.conf.
[12:57] <intelikey> yeah
[12:57] <Yuma> If you can't read in Konqueror it's not an info fault, but a konqueror one.
[12:58] <Yuma> In the small computers that doesn't have X and Kde I like to use info because it uses less instead of more to cat the information.
[12:58] <lenscape> Yuma: you're missing the point. Info will always give you an answer even if it is rubbish. Konqueror is more specific
[12:58] <Yuma> And you can go forward and backward in the information page.
[12:58] <intelikey> to list the info pages installed  ls /usr/share/info
[12:59] <kubuntero> ok
[12:59] <Yuma> intelikey: Oh, I see the difference.
[12:59] <kubuntero> I have to find the capital citied of two countis in north america not including USA
[12:59] <Yuma> info bzip2 is completely different from man bzip2
[01:00] <intelikey> what konq does is searches /usr/share/info/   and if there isn't anything there then no info   and for man /usr/share/man/#/  and if no page then no man
[01:00] <Yuma> lenscape: But using Konqueror to read the man pages is not always possible.
[01:00] <lenscape> Yuma: that's because a lot of Gnu software has a brief man page and detail info page
[01:01] <lenscape> Yuma: sure. Use man when Konqueror isn't appropriate
[01:01] <lenscape> anyway, I'm off. Bye.
[01:01] <Vilhelm1> plz help me, when I run Konqueror, the window is totally empty of icons -> I opened kdesktop in XFCE environment and made some setup but I don't know exactly when something went wrong
[01:01] <Yuma> lenscape: Hehe, ok. We'll talk about this later.
[01:01] <Yuma> lenscape: You're retreating... :)
[01:02] <Vilhelm1> when I open Konqueror in terminal, I get messages that read konqueror: WARNING: Pixmap not found for mimetype inode/directory
[01:02] <intelikey> retire!=retreat
[01:02] <intelikey> Vilhelm1 sounds like a theeme thang.
[01:03] <Vilhelm1> intelikey: maybe, so what should I do?
[01:03] <intelikey> ignore it ?
[01:03] <intelikey> fix it ?
[01:03] <intelikey> change the theme ?
[01:03] <Vilhelm1> hmm...
[01:03] <intelikey> report it as a bug to the theme maker ?
[01:04] <kubuntero> I have to find the capital citied of two countis in north america not including USA. What kind of Homework is that?
[01:04] <intelikey> jump up and down while screeming "i want it to work !"   then hold your breath until you turn blue ?
[01:05] <intelikey> kubuntero that's nice.   but don't ask us to do your home work for you please.
[01:05] <intelikey> try google.com
[01:05] <kubuntero> I;m not I did it already
[01:06] <MidMark> hi, I've a problem on my notebook, it say: unable to find swap-space signature
[01:06] <intelikey> answer is geography for 200
[01:06] <MidMark> and swap isn't enabled
[01:06] <MidMark> what can I do?
[01:06] <kubuntero> I said Puerto rico :-)
[01:07] <Vilhelm1> intelikey: I use XFCE and I have no full control of KDE
[01:07] <Vilhelm1> maybe something's missing?
[01:07] <kubuntero> !kgeography
[01:07] <ubotu> kgeography: Geography learning tool for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 341 kB, installed size 776 kB
[01:08] <kubuntero> intelikey: Thats the answer ;)
[01:08] <Vilhelm1> and do you think I'd better run kcontrol with sudo?
[01:09] <Yuma> I'm off to sleep.
[01:09] <Yuma> See you other day.
[01:09] <intelikey> MidMark iirc there is an init script that will automatically mount swap partitions even when they are not in fstab   something like mountvirtfs    is this error message a big problem ?
[01:09] <intelikey> Vilhelm1 it probably expects kdesu
[01:10] <CSonicGo> I sure hope the fiesty release gets wireless networking and video support right this time.
[01:11] <intelikey> Vilhelm1 i'm not a gui ex-spert (that would be a drip, right)   so maybe someone else can help you with that.
[01:11] <NeonLightning> intelikey: if i stick the harddrive back in could you guide me through this
[01:11] <MidMark> intelikey: the problem I haven't swap so when my ram is finished?
[01:11] <dope> hey have any of you guys see this: http://www.ex-parrot.com/~pete/upside-down-ternet.html
[01:11] <dope> how do i get that to work?
[01:11] <intelikey> NeonLightning in about 30 minutes i have to make rounds.
[01:12] <NeonLightning> will it take longer then that to fix that boot partition you think
[01:12] <NeonLightning> may take me around 10min to figure out how to get my drives in order again
[01:13] <NeonLightning> poor ribbon and bay placement in this computer
[01:13] <intelikey> MidMark so  sudo dd if=/dev/zero of /.swapfile bs=1048576 count=400 && sudo mkswap /.swapfile && swapon /.swapfile
[01:13] <intelikey> back in a bit.
[01:16] <MidMark> intelikey: yes I have done mkswap and now it backs thanx, try to reboot and see if it still works
[01:17] <MidMark> I have seen that suspend can cause the uuid of swap to change :-/
[01:18] <MidMark> after reboot swap is off again :(
[01:18] <MidMark> any idea?
[01:19] <Vilhelm1> intelikey: when i type kdesu kcontrol, I get message "Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
[01:28] <MrLinux> is some one on-line ?
[01:29] <MrLinux> I have a question
[01:30] <MrLinux> heloo
[01:30] <MrLinux> is some on here who can help me ?
[01:30] <Lynoure> MrLinux: hard to tell, without you asking
[01:30] <MrLinux> How do I disable the Firewall ?
[01:30] <Lynoure> There is no firewall by default
[01:31] <MrLinux> are you sure ?
[01:31] <MidMark> ok have to change also fstab and fix hibernation
[01:31] <Lynoure> So unless you installed one, there is none. Pretty sure.
[01:31] <Lynoure> MrLinux: but if unsure, do  sudo iptables -L
[01:31] <Lynoure> MrLinux: and put it in pastebin
[01:32] <jordo23> are there 64 bit java packages for kubuntu?
[01:32] <MrLinux> Lynoure:
[01:32] <MrLinux> ubuntu@ubuntu:/sbin$ sudo iptables -L
[01:32] <MrLinux> Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT)
[01:32] <MrLinux> target     prot opt source               destination
[01:32] <MrLinux> Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT)
[01:33] <MrLinux> target     prot opt source               destination
[01:33] <MrLinux> Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT)
[01:33] <MrLinux> target     prot opt source               destination
[01:33] <MrLinux> ubuntu@ubuntu:/sbin$
[01:34] <bomber> is this the new pastebin?
[01:35] <MrLinux> Lynoure:
[01:36] <MrLinux> the firewall is ON ?
[01:38] <MidMark> !java
[01:38] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[01:38] <MidMark> !sun-java5
[01:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sun-java5 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:38] <MidMark> !sun-java
[01:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sun-java - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:38] <MidMark> !sun-java5-jre
[01:38] <ubotu> sun-java5-jre: Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.5.0-08-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 7279 kB, installed size 16132 kB
[01:38] <MaxDamage``> hello guys :p
[01:39] <Lynoure> !pastebin | MrLinux
[01:39] <ubotu> MrLinux: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:40] <sleepy495> what's the command to remove a .deb package? is it dpkg -i?
[01:40] <Lynoure> MrLinux: anyway, no firewall...
[01:40] <MrLinux> ok
[01:40] <MrLinux> tnx
[01:41] <Lynoure> sleepy495: there are many, apt-get remove   is one
[01:41] <Lynoure> sleepy495: or dpkg --purge
[01:41] <sleepy495> thanks, one more question, what's apt-get clean do?
[01:41] <Lynoure> sleepy495: latter removes configuration files too, so be careful with it.
[01:42] <sleepy495> ok
[01:42] <Lynoure> sleepy495: it removes the local cache of .deb files, that is, not installations, just the files that were installed from
[01:42] <MaxDamage``> hey guys, im having trouble with direct rendering
[01:43] <MaxDamage``> im using 6.10 edgy
[01:43] <MaxDamage``> a friend gave me some things to add to xorg.conf but i keep messing it up
[01:43] <MaxDamage``> can anyone help?
[01:43] <Lynoure> sleepy495: Not the command to do right after you have installed the new version of something risky :)
[01:44] <Lynoure> sleepy495: other than that it is very safe thing to do to free up some disk space.
[01:44] <Lynoure> MaxDamage``: depends on what you are adding, and how it messes up
[01:45] <MaxDamage``> let's go private
[01:45] <MaxDamage``> lemme just register :/
[01:45] <Lynoure> MaxDamage``: I would not recommend it, unless you do not want anyone else to help
[01:45] <MaxDamage``> oh
[01:45] <MaxDamage``> well it's a lot of things to add
[01:45] <Lynoure> MaxDamage``: it's almost 03:00 here, I might fall asleep any moment :)
[01:46] <sleepy495> do I just type apt-get clean and the package itself or just apt-get clean?
[01:46] <MaxDamage``> same time here ;)
[01:46] <MaxDamage``> 02:46
[01:46] <Lynoure> sleepy495: just apt-get clean, usually, though hmm, see man apt-get to see if clean can take parametres?
[01:47] <Lynoure> sleepy495: no, it even cannot take any parametres.
[01:48] <Lynoure> MaxDamage``: the channel is quiet enough, ask here, use pastebin and you'll be well and dandy :)
[01:48] <sleepy495> k,thanks
[01:49] <MaxDamage``> oh, yeah i forgot about pastebin :D
[01:49] <MaxDamage``> just a second
[01:51] <MaxDamage``> okay there
[01:51] <MaxDamage``> http://pastebin.com/857236
[01:51] <MaxDamage``> that's what he said i should put in my xorg.conf
[01:52] <MaxDamage``> i put it... and it crapped
[01:52] <MaxDamage``> lol
[01:52] <MaxDamage``> had to run a live cd to learn konsole cmd's
[01:56] <bky> my USB mouse is being a pain, it works some of the time... it seems like every other boot it doesn't work, it's not even listed in /dev/input, and i can't figure out why
[01:56] <Lynoure> MaxDamage``: did you keep a copy of the old one, at least?
[01:56] <MaxDamage``> yes!
[01:56] <MaxDamage``> i wouldnt be here if i hadn't
[01:56] <MaxDamage``> :D
[01:56] <Lynoure> The pastebin is taking a bit now, it seems
[01:58] <Lynoure> MaxDamage``: did you get a syntax error on the configuration or just something else?
[01:58] <Minataku> bky: Have you tried un/replugging it in while running?
[01:58] <Minataku> It could be marginal HW, like it's not properly recieving/processing the wakeup call
[01:59] <bky> yes, when it works i can unplug it and plug it in as much as I want and it still works. when it doesn't work, unpluging it does nothing
[01:59] <MaxDamage``> i didnt get anything
[01:59] <MaxDamage``> just didnt wanna start
[01:59] <bky> in fact, it doesn't even light up after i unplug it when it's not working
[01:59] <Minataku> bky: So if it doesn't work at boot, it won't work at all that whole uptime session?
[02:00] <Lynoure> MaxDamage``: you are missing various EndSection  things at least, I think
[02:00] <bky> and the mouse is fine- it works fine when it works and was running perfectly on windows a month ago and fedora a day ago
[02:00] <Minataku> Even after "reseating" it a couple times?
[02:00] <bky> yes
[02:00] <MaxDamage``> well im kinda new at this stuff
[02:00] <MaxDamage``> i see some things down there
[02:00] <MaxDamage``> but i dont know if i should change them
[02:00] <bky> i can unplug it and plug it in (I tired different ports) and it will not work if it didn't work on boot
[02:00] <MaxDamage``> altho i can fix a broken config now
[02:00] <hanso> when I run apt-get there is a message about packages not used anymore and that I can remove them using "apt-get autoremove". is that a smart thing to do or?
[02:01] <Lynoure> MaxDamage``: you can prolly see them when comparing to the original   or you could also look at  man xorg.conf
[02:01] <bky> and normally it will power on reguardless (i have borken the mouse drivers a few times on fedora), but it will not even power
[02:01] <thev> KDE is randomly restarting on me.  I don't get an error.  Just X restarting  Can anyone help me trace the problem?
[02:01] <Lynoure> MaxDamage``: there might be other things wrong too, but I'm too sleepy to see them.
[02:01] <thev> it's highly disconcerting
[02:01] <Minataku> thev: There's ALWAYS an error
[02:01] <MrLinux> Lynoure:
[02:01] <MrLinux> If I don't istall the Kubuntu
[02:01] <phobiac> Ark won't install .deb files. I get the error, "the utility ar is not in your PATH."
[02:01] <phobiac> Any ideas?
[02:01] <thev> I mean it doesn't post an error like when a program crashes
[02:01] <Minataku> bky: Check dmesg for info?
[02:02] <Minataku> thev: It'll be in a log file
[02:02] <MaxDamage``> Lynoure: yeah, i guess so.. got msn/icq/skype so we can talk later when ur okay? :P
[02:02] <bky> checking..
[02:02] <MrLinux> now I run it
[02:02] <MrLinux> on I boot
[02:02] <MrLinux> My oter system is afected ?
[02:02] <thev> Minataku - how do I find the log file it would be in?
[02:02] <MrLinux> My oter operating sistem will be afected ?
[02:02] <Minataku> I think /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[02:02] <intelikey> back
[02:02] <Lynoure> MaxDamage``: sorry, I do pro bono support only here, other things I charge for.
[02:02] <Minataku> Failing that, /var/log/kdm.log (if KDM has such, I use xdm)
[02:03] <MaxDamage``> im not asking for support
[02:03] <MaxDamage``> nothing's broken
[02:03] <MaxDamage``> just a little help
[02:03] <bky> will dmesg show things from the last boot? (the mouse is working right now)
[02:03] <Lynoure> MaxDamage``: If you want small talk or chitchat, I'm pretty much always on #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:03] <Minataku> bky: Hm
[02:03] <Minataku> One moment please
[02:04] <MaxDamage``> i see
[02:04] <MaxDamage``> well okay then
[02:04] <intelikey> bky no it wont
[02:04] <Minataku> bky: Do you have a /var/log/messages ?
[02:04] <MaxDamage``> i think i'll ask my question later again
[02:04] <MaxDamage``> lol
[02:04] <Minataku> intelikey is right, it won't, I was just looking for the alternative
[02:04] <MaxDamage``> and now i think i'll get some sleep
[02:04] <thev> hmmm there is an error initializing GLX
[02:04] <intelikey> MaxDamage`` ask it now  i might be able to answer it
[02:04] <bky> yes I will look in there
[02:05] <MaxDamage``> well i did
[02:05] <MaxDamage``> i think..
[02:05] <MaxDamage``> oh wait
[02:05] <MaxDamage``> it fucked and didnt send it
[02:05] <intelikey> language .
[02:05] <MaxDamage``> intel, i got a problem with direct rendering
[02:05] <Jucato> !language
[02:05] <MaxDamage``> sorry.. :p
[02:05] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[02:05] <Minataku> thev: Now you're on the track to finding out what's wrong :D
[02:06] <bky> i don't see any usb/mouse related errors in messages. 1 sec i'll upload it to my server...
[02:06] <intelikey> who had that boot partition problem ?
[02:06] <bky> errr actaully I can't. lol
[02:06] <Minataku> lol
[02:07] <thev> maybe I'll just try reinstalling NVidia driver
[02:07] <Minataku> Hm... that's a perplexing problem, though one that seems somewhat familiar
[02:07] <Minataku> thev: That could fix it
[02:07] <thev> ok, we'll see.  Thanks for the help Minataku!
[02:07] <Minataku> bky: The mouse you said works on the same computer?
[02:07] <Minataku> thev: No problem ^^
[02:07] <intelikey> MaxDamage`` in the channel please.   but do 3d is kinda out of the console realm
[02:08] <MaxDamage``> okay okay..
[02:08] <bky> yes, the mouse works for sure
[02:08] <MaxDamage``> i got a problem with 3d rendering and a friend told me i gotta add some things to xorg.conf
[02:09] <MaxDamage``> http://pastebin.com/857236
[02:09] <intelikey> bky what is your issue ?
[02:09] <MaxDamage``> there they are
[02:09] <MaxDamage``> but i keep messing it up
[02:10] <bky> my usb mouse isn't detected sometimes, it doesn't even show up in dev, but normally a reboot fixes it.
[02:10] <intelikey> MaxDamage`` no  "endsection"   line on that device
[02:10] <bky> unpluging doesn't help
[02:10] <MaxDamage``> aha
[02:10] <MaxDamage``> okay
[02:10] <intelikey> MaxDamage`` can't start a new section without closing the first.
[02:11] <intelikey> or actually i'm not sure you can't inbed them but i wouldn't
[02:11] <MaxDamage``> why not?
[02:12] <Lynoure> MaxDamage``: Your friend could not help you further? Depending on what you want to do, "ati" driver might work as well as "radeon". Does 9200 do AGPMode 4? If I recall, at least 9000 did not yet.
[02:12] <intelikey> even if that was the intent.  you are still one    endsection   short of syntax
[02:12] <Lynoure> MaxDamage``: but, yeah, if you are missing EndSections, fixing anything else will not help you.
[02:13] <MaxDamage``> Lynoure: he went offline .. :/
[02:13] <jason10> whats goin on
[02:13] <MaxDamage``> probably an internet connection problem
[02:13] <MaxDamage``> well what should i do
[02:13] <Lynoure> MaxDamage``: You could pastebin your whole xorg.conf
[02:13] <MaxDamage``> put these things in the end of the file
[02:13] <MaxDamage``> okay
[02:14] <jason10> anybody here use kxdocker?
[02:14] <intelikey> and also the  load *   lines need in a section too i think    section "modules"    iirc
[02:15] <jason10> no?
[02:15] <MaxDamage``> http://pastebin.com/857257
[02:16] <MaxDamage``> here it is
[02:16] <intelikey> bky i don't seem to find anything on that.   i would assume it's an init script problem because udev only makes device nodes for the things that it's told to make.
[02:17] <intelikey> bky possably something finishing a little too quickly or starting at the wrong time.
[02:18] <bky> hmm, ok, well, I will look at the logs more. I can check if changing runlevels fixes it or not
[02:18] <Lynoure> MaxDamage``: you seem to have multiples of some sections...
[02:18] <Lynoure> MaxDamage``: like "device"
[02:18] <MaxDamage``> yeah, that's what i noticed
[02:18] <MaxDamage``> is it bad?
[02:18] <intelikey> maybe changing /etc/rcS.d/??makedev  to a different number   ?
[02:18] <intelikey> bky ^
[02:19] <Lynoure> MaxDamage``: I'm not sure whether it just overrides or messes it all up :)
[02:19] <MaxDamage``> i thought so too...
[02:19] <Lynoure> MaxDamage``: with same bus id, I'd bet on the latter
[02:19] <MaxDamage``> bet on the latter?
[02:20] <Lynoure> MaxDamage``: that it messes up :)
[02:21] <MaxDamage``> aha :p
[02:21] <Lynoure> But I'm too sleepy to dig into that
[02:21] <intelikey> got a call gota run.
[02:21] <MaxDamage``> well under each device section it's a different device
[02:21] <MaxDamage``> so i dont see what's wrong
[02:22] <Lynoure> if it is, then ok.
[02:22] <MaxDamage``> well okay, i gotta run too..
[02:22] <MaxDamage``> getting really late
[02:22] <MaxDamage``> and i gotta meet my gf at 11
[02:23] <MaxDamage``> :p
[02:23] <MaxDamage``> bye :)
[02:23] <Lynoure> But they have a same bus id, which is a bit weird...
[02:23] <Lynoure> oh well.
[02:24] <MaxDamage``> uh?
[02:24] <MaxDamage``> probably.. i'll check that too :)
[02:24] <MaxDamage``> bye :)
[02:34] <jairo> saludos
[02:35] <jairo> alguien me puede ayudar?
[02:35] <jairo> necesito ayuda urgente por favor...
[02:35] <Hawkwind> !es
[02:35] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[02:36] <jairo> gracias amigo
[02:37] <bonbonthejon> hi all
[02:37] <jairo> nadie responde en el canal kubuntu-es
[02:38] <Daisuke_Ido> he has a point.
[02:38] <jairo> alguien me puede ayudar?
[02:38] <bonbonthejon> jairo: if you can speak english we can help you
[02:40] <BluesKaj> guess not
[02:40] <bonbonthejon> nope
[02:40] <jairo> bonbonthejon: i dont enter with the root
[02:41] <bonbonthejon> jairo: are you trying to use the root password?
[02:42] <jairo> during the instalation the program dont give me the option
[02:42] <bonbonthejon> jairo: you do not need one for many things
[02:42] <jairo> what?
[02:43] <bonbonthejon> jairo: kubuntu uses sudo, which uses your user's password
[02:43] <jairo> how can mount the windows partition?
[02:43] <bonbonthejon> jairo: you can set it with 'sudo passwd root' if you till need it
[02:43] <bonbonthejon> still*
[02:43] <jairo> i try it, but dont work
[02:44] <bonbonthejon> jairo: sudo will ask for your password, then passwd will ask for a root password
[02:45] <jairo> y enter the password and confirm ot, but when the program ask me the password for the root, and i enter this password, dont work
[02:45] <bonbonthejon> jairo: you are setting the root password
[02:45] <bonbonthejon> jairo: then you can do 'su' to become root, if you need that
[02:45] <jairo> yes, i setting the root password
[02:45] <jairo> how i make thos?
[02:45] <jairo> this?
[02:45] <Jucato> !sudo | jairo
[02:45] <ubotu> jairo: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[02:46] <jairo> ok
[02:46] <jairo> y read that
[02:46] <bonbonthejon> jairo: read that, if you still have problems, ask again
[02:47] <jairo> one question please
[02:47] <jairo> how i can mount hte windows partition?
[02:47] <bonbonthejon> !windows
[02:47] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[02:47] <bonbonthejon> #ntfs
[02:47] <bonbonthejon> !ntfs
[02:47] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions. For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[02:47] <CSonicGo> hahahaha what
[02:47] <bonbonthejon> jairo: ^^^^
[02:48] <bonbonthejon> CSonicGo: never seen that?
[02:48] <jairo> ah?
[02:48] <jairo> what is the command?
[02:49] <bonbonthejon> !ntfs | jairo
[02:49] <ubotu> jairo: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions. For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[02:49] <jairo> ok
[02:49] <CSonicGo> no heh that's rich
[02:50] <Lam_> what the heck is happening to my system? my secondary drive was corrupted, and when i managed to reactive the drive with fsck -f -c to reallocate the bad sectors to retreive the data, the data was trasnferring to my main drive when that drive started saying it has bad sectors when i scanned it no less than a week ago and it was perfectly fine
[02:55] <beg1689> is kubuntu the same as ubuntu just with a different default desktop?
[02:55] <BluesKaj> yup
[02:56] <BluesKaj> kde desktop in kubuntu
[02:56] <beg1689> but nothing else is different?
[02:56] <beg1689> like the kenel?
[02:56] <BluesKaj> not that i'm aware of
[02:56] <beg1689> ok
[02:57] <beg1689> i took the linux distro test and it said i should use kubuntu
[02:57] <beg1689> currently im using fedora core 6
[02:57] <BluesKaj> linux distro test?
[02:58] <beg1689> should have said "a" not "the"
[02:58] <beg1689> http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/index.php?firsttime=true
[02:58] <beg1689> asks you some questions and recommends a distro,  seems cool, fedora core is the only one ive tried so far
[02:59] <beg1689> but it didnt show up in my results (because i said i liked KDE and fedora is gnome-based)
[03:00] <beg1689> and about 64 bit support... should i just install the x86 version?
[03:00] <beg1689> i always seemed to have strange problems running 64 bit, and as far as i know i dont really need to
[03:01] <Rob-West> nixternal
[03:01] <bonbonthejon> yay the test said I should use kubuntu
[03:01] <beg1689> lol
[03:02] <nidkea> Can someone explain to me what's wrong with my ktorrent? My mates running it and getting AWESOME down speed.  And my ports are even forwarded.
[03:02] <beg1689> ok i guess my last quesation before i toss fc6 out the door and put ubuntu in is, it is debian based, does that mean it supprots .deb packages and such?
[03:03] <BluesKaj> yup
[03:03] <beg1689> cool
[03:03] <BluesKaj> dpkg -i is the cmd :)
[03:04] <manchicken> I learned something new that I hadn't known before.
[03:04] <Daisuke_Ido> beg1689: install kubuntu and never look back
[03:04] <manchicken> `dpkg-query -S /usr/bin/perl` will tell you what deb package /usr/bin/perl belongs to.
[03:04] <TheDebugger> Kubuntu!
[03:04] <bonbonthejon> BluesKaj: you should use apt-get first
[03:05] <lupine_85> kubuntu++
[03:05] <BluesKaj> apt-get on a deb pkg ?
[03:05] <muesli_> what packages do i need to make kaffeine able to play dvds?
[03:05] <manchicken> beg1689: What's holding you back?
[03:05] <bonbonthejon> BluesKaj: no, you should see if the package is in the repositories, before you install a deb
[03:05] <lupine_85> !dvd
[03:05] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[03:05] <manchicken> lupine_85: Damn, you beat me.
[03:05] <muesli> lupine_85: thnx
[03:06] <Daisuke_Ido> BluesKaj: apt-get to install one of the several thousand already in the repository.
[03:06] <Daisuke_Ido> +packages
[03:06] <BluesKaj>  Daisuke_Ido, bonbonthejon, he asked me about deb pkg support
[03:07] <bonbonthejon> BluesKaj: yeah
[03:07] <beg1689> ok now im just waiting for the .iso to download
[03:07] <Daisuke_Ido> oooh
[03:07] <Daisuke_Ido> i see now
[03:07] <BluesKaj> not the repos debs
[03:07] <Trigger242> Can someone explain to me what's wrong with my ktorrent? My mates running it and getting AWESOME down speed.  And my ports are even forwarded.
[03:07] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm answering an answer then :\
[03:07] <Daisuke_Ido> whoops
[03:08] <bonbonthejon> Trigger242: torrents depend on your connection speed and the seeders
[03:08] <beg1689> does the CD version include the liveCD?
[03:08] <beg1689> or is that just on dvd
[03:08] <bonbonthejon> beg1689: if you download the standard cd, it is a livecd
[03:09] <beg1689> can you still install from it?
[03:09] <Daisuke_Ido> yes
[03:09] <bonbonthejon> beg1689: yup
[03:09] <beg1689> alright
[03:09] <bonbonthejon> beg1689: I sometimes have trouble with the livecd, I prefer the alternative install cd, it is text based installer
[03:09] <Daisuke_Ido> quite a nice installer actually, compared to what it did have (debian's installer, more or less)
[03:10] <bonbonthejon> Daisuke_Ido: are you the same way, prefer the alt. install?
[03:10] <Daisuke_Ido> and in those two statements it was just shown that the whole thing is a matter of preference :)
[03:10] <Daisuke_Ido> i actually like the graphical installer, never had any problem with it
[03:10] <beg1689> hmm
[03:10] <bonbonthejon> Daisuke_Ido: well, sometimes there are technical reasons the live cd wont work
[03:10] <beg1689> what bootloader does kubuntu use, ive only used grub
[03:10] <Daisuke_Ido> and for an end-user targeted distro, an easy graphical installer is a plus
[03:10] <Daisuke_Ido> it uses grub
[03:10] <BluesKaj> grub it is
[03:11] <bonbonthejon> beg1689: grub usually
[03:11] <beg1689> good
[03:11] <Daisuke_Ido> bonbonthejon: this is true
[03:11] <beg1689> im just hoping i still know what im doing when i switch, having only ever used fedora core 4,5,6
[03:11] <bonbonthejon> beg1689: have you used kde before?
[03:12] <beg1689> yea
[03:12] <bonbonthejon> beg1689: cool, I used fedora up to core 3, when I found ubuntu
[03:12] <BluesKaj> Trigger242, have you done all the configuring , including router detection ?
[03:13] <beg1689> this my sound like a stupid question, but the i386 version still supports dual-core, right?
[03:13] <beg1689> my fedora kernel says i686
[03:13] <BluesKaj> Trigger242, some torrent sources are slow , no matter what one does
[03:17] <BluesKaj> beg1689, i ran the 64bit dapper version , but i switched to the x86 due to hardware recognition probs
[03:18] <BluesKaj> but, maybe your experience will be more positive
[03:19] <Daisuke_Ido> i do believe the i385 edition supports dual processors
[03:19] <Daisuke_Ido> at least, they both show up here.
[03:19] <wallace__> hello
[03:19] <manchicken> AWESOME!
[03:19] <manchicken> I have full DVD functionality.
[03:19] <Minataku> Most generic kernels are SMP enabled
[03:20] <beg1689> well ill be using wine, too and it doesnt like 64 bit
[03:20] <wallace__> i have a question concerning the render call.  i'm learning to use backgroundrb.
[03:20] <Minataku> Since an SMP kernel will run on a UP system just fine
[03:20] <aib> how can I tell what package provides a particular file/
[03:20] <manchicken> Even Dreamworks movies and Kill Bill work.
[03:20] <beg1689> search
[03:20] <wallace__> oops, wrong channel.
[03:20] <beg1689> http://rpm.pbone.net/
[03:20] <BluesKaj> i'm running x86 on an AMD64 pc
[03:20] <beg1689> you might not want to download them through that, but thats how i find which package i need sometimes
[03:21] <beg1689> oh wait, thats rpms
[03:21] <Daisuke_Ido> hey ed
[03:21] <aib> from the command line.
[03:21] <Daisuke_Ido> BluesKaj: same here, an x2
[03:21] <beg1689> dont listen to the newbie ;)
[03:21] <aib> yeah, "search" is a pretty obvious answer that doesn't really tell me anything
[03:22] <Minataku> Hi, Daisuke_Ido
[03:24] <juano> someone knows how to fix IP-restrict-NAT for webcam in amsn? i'm having this issue since im behind a router, thanks
[03:24] <BluesKaj> aib i jus type the name in konq addressbar and you'll get "hits"
[03:25] <aib> someone who knows how to use the command line, please!
[03:25] <BluesKaj> whereis "filename" in the CLI
[03:26] <mike__> hi all i am looking for some help with wmv streams in web pages in fire fox
[03:27] <madmike> yup I'm goin nutz
[03:27] <BluesKaj> mike , make sure you have mplayer plugin installed
[03:28] <mike__> well i thought i did
[03:28] <mike__> it list installed but i keep getting errors on mov streams and wmv streams
[03:28] <BluesKaj> mplayer plugin in FF plays the windows media streams
[03:28] <mike__> let me check
[03:28] <mike__> :) thanks for the help
[03:29] <BluesKaj> check FF by typing about:plugins in the addresbar
[03:31] <BluesKaj> agente2012, do you know  agent007 ? :)
[03:31] <mike__> it shows that totem is handeling them
[03:32] <BluesKaj> are you using gnome ?
[03:32] <mike__> the wmv stream
[03:33] <mike__> nope kde
[03:33] <BluesKaj> what (k)ubuntu desktop are you using kde or gnome ?
[03:33] <BluesKaj> ok
[03:33] <BluesKaj> dapper or edgy
[03:34] <mike__> edgy
[03:34] <BluesKaj> FF2 then right ?
[03:34] <agente2012> BluesKaj:  I agente007 in secret xD
[03:35] <agente2012> agent*
[03:35] <mike__> ff1
[03:35] <BluesKaj> my suggestion is , dump totem and install (K)mplayer , mike
[03:35] <mike__> did not see ff2 in the repositories i am using
[03:36] <BluesKaj> firefox 2.0 is the default in edgy
[03:36] <bonbonthejon> what ftp client do people use?
[03:36] <mike__> removed totem and it is working but very choppy
[03:36] <mike__> oh yes ff2 sorry
[03:37] <agente2012> is easy ;)
[03:37] <BluesKaj> there's amplayer plugin for FF2
[03:37] <dope> I'M SO WASTED RIGHT NOW
[03:37] <agente2012> K+system+konsole
[03:37] <agente2012> sudo apt-get install mplayer
[03:38] <mike__> that is what i am using and is choppy
[03:38] <mike__> :)
[03:39] <dope> oh wait wrong channel
[03:39] <dope> i can't launch some applications with katapult like gvim/vim for example
[03:39] <dope> or checkgmail
[03:40] <mike__> ok totem is gone
[03:40] <mike__> and mplayer is skinda working
[03:40] <mike__> very choppy on wmv
[03:40] <BluesKaj> mike , try this , it worked for me : http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/
[03:52] <bonbonthejon> in konqueror's remote:/, is it possible to delete a connection
[03:55] <mike__> ok thanks for the help i will work on it more later
[03:56] <BluesKaj> reboot FF and it should be there
[03:58] <beg1689> ok i had problems
[03:58] <pwn4tt4ck> what is the open source version of limewire?
[03:58] <beg1689> using the i386 kubuntu cd
[03:59] <beg1689> it started up and gave me a menu, i chose the install or start kubuntu option
[03:59] <ironfroggy> any idea why amarok suddenly has an empty collection?
[03:59] <ironfroggy> but all my files are still there
[03:59] <beg1689> after a bit, it comes up with an error, something about soft bug on CP#0
[03:59] <beg1689> CPU#0*
[04:00] <pwn4tt4ck> open source version of limewire is called what, anyone know?
[04:00] <manchicken> pwn4tt4ck: Why use LimeWire?  There's ktorrent.
[04:00] <BluesKaj> pwn4tt4ck, frostwire
[04:00] <pwn4tt4ck> thank you, and I guess I could use the torrent
[04:00] <pwn4tt4ck> later
[04:00] <manchicken> pwn4tt4ck: And those programs are "Free Software," not "open source."
[04:00] <BluesKaj> if you 'need' it
[04:01] <BluesKaj> amule is better imo
[04:02] <pwn4tt4ck> !frostwire
[04:02] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[04:02] <BluesKaj> take that back, manchicken :)
[04:02] <corrupted_> hi
[04:02] <corrupted_> i have a really noobish question about how to install a .bin file _-_
[04:02] <beg1689> ok a quick google tells me its because my wireless was turned off on my laptop, time to try again
[04:03] <corrupted_> anyone help me?
[04:03] <manchicken> BluesKaj: Anything under the GPL is Free Software as defined by their license agreement.
[04:03] <manchicken> And FrostWire requires non-free Java.  I would agree with the amule preference though.
[04:03] <manchicken> But only with tor.
[04:03] <corrupted_> hello?
[04:03] <corrupted> hmmm
[04:04] <corrupted> can anyone here me >.<
[04:04] <manchicken> With what?
[04:04] <manchicken> A .bin file doesn't mean anything.
[04:04] <manchicken> What .bin file is it?
[04:04] <corrupted> digichat
[04:04] <corrupted> :/
[04:04] <manchicken> Is it a text file or a binary file?
[04:04] <corrupted> i have no clue
[04:04] <manchicken> What's digichat?
[04:04] <corrupted> im new to this stuff
[04:05] <corrupted> it is called install_Digichat.bin
[04:05] <manchicken> corrupted: do you get carbage when you type `head -n FOO.bin`?
[04:05] <manchicken> What is the purpose of digichat?
[04:05] <corrupted> its a host file
[04:05] <corrupted> a chat
[04:05] <corrupted> basicly
[04:05] <BluesKaj> !bin
[04:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:05] <manchicken> What do you plan on doing with it?
[04:05] <corrupted> hosting
[04:06] <manchicken> hosting what?
[04:06] <BluesKaj> !binary
[04:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about binary - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:06] <Croupier> hey guys
[04:06] <corrupted> oh crap this is not ubuntu irc this is kubuntu >.<
[04:06] <corrupted> wrong irc
[04:06] <forge> isn't digichat a java applett?
[04:06] <corrupted> yea
[04:06] <Croupier> i am trying to run wine to install something but its saying something about the $display not configured correctly
[04:06] <manchicken> corrupted: Why not use IRC to host a chat instead of this non-free program?
[04:06] <BluesKaj> just goto #ubuntu
[04:06] <Croupier> i cannot find anything on the wine page
[04:07] <manchicken> !freedom
[04:07] <ubotu> freedom is important. Ubuntu is as free as we can make it, which means mostly free software. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/licensing
[04:07] <corrupted> for one i payed for this (non free program) and two i think its better personally
[04:07] <Croupier> and something about the x xserver running
[04:07] <manchicken> corrupted: Less freedom is never better.
[04:08] <corrupted> manchicken your confusing
[04:08] <junocdx> anyone help me get my webcam working
[04:08] <junocdx> ?
[04:08] <manchicken> corrupted: Demanding freedom isn't confusing... giving up your freedom for the sake of shallow functionality on the other hand... that's confusing.
[04:09] <lupine_85> but having the freedom to choose less freedom is also important :p
[04:09] <manchicken> There's no such thing as choosing less freedom.
[04:10] <lupine_85> course there is
[04:10] <junocdx> What about your freedom slowely being taken away from you?
[04:10] <BluesKaj> Shallow functionalty ...fancy for almost useless , or lessthan useful ?
[04:10] <lupine_85> I can choose a Free nv driver, or I can choose a non-free nvidia driver
[04:10] <lupine_85> spot the choice
[04:10] <lupine_85> (of course, I choose nouveau when it's ready for public use)
[04:10] <manchicken> lupine_85: Nope.  Because the reason why there aren't any good Free 3d drivers for nvidia is because nvidia has removed all choices which also provide freedom.
[04:11] <lupine_85> not the case
[04:11] <manchicken> lupine_85: Sure it is.
[04:11] <lupine_85> why?
[04:11] <manchicken> lupine_85: You didn't choose less freedom.
[04:11] <manchicken> lupine_85: You were forced into it.
[04:11] <lupine_85> free drivers are being developed right now
[04:11] <lupine_85> no, I wasn't
[04:11] <lupine_85> I can use nv if I want to
[04:11] <manchicken> lupine_85: Yup.  You know why they're collecting so much money for that driver project?
[04:11] <lupine_85> mm, to buy 8800s
[04:11] <manchicken> To build a legal warchest.
[04:12] <lupine_85> nah
[04:12] <lupine_85> I think you'll find what they're doing is perfectly legal
[04:12] <manchicken> nVidia will sue with everything they have upon the first release of anything resembling a 3d driver that they didn't get paid royalties for.
[04:12] <lupine_85> it wouldn't get to the courtroom even if /I/ was representing them
[04:12] <lupine_85> clean-room implementation isn't something that can be sued for
[04:13] <manchicken> Unless they have an incredibly ambiguous software patent.
[04:13] <BluesKaj> MS predatory tactics ...works for billl gates :(
[04:13] <lupine_85> what?
[04:13] <Minataku> Bill Gates has no power in Microsoft anymore
[04:13] <BluesKaj> whaynot nvidia
[04:13] <Minataku> Know your enemy
[04:13] <lupine_85> seriously. what law does clean-room software implemention break?
[04:13] <junocdx> Can anyone help me get my webcam working?
[04:13] <Minataku> It's not Bill Gates.
[04:13] <Minataku> It's Steve Ballmer.
[04:13] <manchicken> lupine_85: Patents.
[04:14] <lupine_85> software patents don't exist here :p
[04:14] <BluesKaj> who cares , he still symbolizes the marketing techniques
[04:14] <manchicken> lupine_85: They're not worried about building a legal warchest where patents aren't a problem.
[04:14] <manchicken> They're worried about it where they DO have patent laws.
[04:14] <Kr4t05> Minataku: I never thought that Bill Gates was responsible for many of the things that Microsoft did in later years. Over-zealous subordinates.
[04:14] <lupine_85> and besides which, clean-room implementation probably bypasses that as well
[04:14] <manchicken> Nope.
[04:15] <Minataku> Bill Gates says DRM is stupid and shouldn't be used by corporations/should be bypassed by users
[04:15] <manchicken> If they have a patent where "allowing 3d acceleration on an nvidia graphics card" is the synopsis of the patent, then ANY implementation doing so would be a violation of that patent.
[04:15] <katabatic> anybody knowledgeable who can help me with my connection problem?
[04:15] <Minataku> Gates isn't behind any of Microsoft's evil
[04:15] <manchicken> Minataku: No he didn't.
[04:15] <lupine_85> do they?
[04:15] <Minataku> It's all Steve Ballmer
[04:15] <manchicken> Minataku: You have no idea what you're talking about.
[04:15] <lupine_85> is that even patentable?
[04:16] <Minataku> A similar evil is Steve Jobs
[04:16] <manchicken> lupine_85: In the US, unfortunately, yes.
[04:16] <lupine_85> lol
[04:16] <Daisuke_Ido> !offtopic
[04:16] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:16] <lupine_85> USA got owned by the corporations
[04:16] <Minataku> manchicken: Perhaps YOU need to do some research as well before you tell someone they're completely wrong
[04:16] <junocdx> Can anyone help me get my webcam working?
[04:16] <manchicken> lupine_85: It's just the flawwed notion that you should get to control anybody who shares the same idea as you.
[04:17] <Kr4t05> lupine_85: Which is why this man is moving to Tokyo at the first sign of trouble on the horizon...
[04:17] <lupine_85> and here was me thinking patents were for specific things and inventions, rather than general methods
[04:17] <manchicken> Minataku: I have.  I also saw Gates on CNet telling them that Zune's chief features include those that allow media companies to control their "intellectual property."
  That's why FSF is fighting them so hard.
[04:18] <lupine_85> well, we're ok then
[04:18] <Daisuke_Ido> Kr4t05: this isn't the place for attacking people based on where they live.
[04:18] <junocdx> You can't stereotype all Americans from what you hear about the corporate jackasses in the country.
[04:18] <manchicken> I'm running a DVD player right now that is illegal in the US, even though the only DVDs I watch are ones I bought retail.  I had to install it from a repo abroad.
[04:18] <Minataku> Thank you, junocdx and Daisuke_Ido
[04:19] <lupine_85> meh. isn't everything that bush doesn't specifically allow illegal these days?
[04:19] <lupine_85> I've not been keeping track
[04:19] <Minataku> I for one am an American who also fights strongly against corporate nazism
[04:19] <manchicken> lupine_85: Naw.   I wonder if ripping DVDs would work...
[04:20] <Kr4t05> When I say "attack" I don't mean it that way...
[04:20] <Kr4t05> ...
[04:20] <Minataku> The man doesn't even want to make money anymore, for fqck's sake he gives it away like it was garbage
[04:20] <Minataku> lol
[04:20] <lupine_85> psssssssst! wanna buy a nuke?
[04:20] <lupine_85> oops, I just broke the patriot act
[04:21] <lupine_85> like I care :p
[04:21] <Daisuke_Ido> Kr4t05: oh, you have the right, but this isn't the place
[04:21] <Kr4t05> Daisuke_Ido: Point taken. :)
[04:21] <junocdx> I have to agree... this is the place to help people like me fix their webcam.  =D
[04:21] <Daisuke_Ido> i attack the current administration on a regular basis :D
[04:22] <manchicken> junocdx: I've never been able to get a webcam to work.
[04:22] <junocdx> :(
[04:22] <Minataku> Well, my apologies if I've upset or offended anyone and also for going off topic
[04:23] <manchicken> Anybody know of a tor client for KDE?
[04:23] <Kr4t05> manchicken: Ktorrent?
[04:23] <manchicken> Naw, tor is different from torrent.
[04:23] <Kr4t05> manchicken: Oh, wait...
[04:24] <Kr4t05> manchicken: I thought you were abbreviating...
[04:24] <manchicken> ah ^_^
[04:24] <Kr4t05> manchicken: TorPark? It's Firefox with Tor installed...
[04:24] <Kr4t05> Or somethign...
[04:24] <Kr4t05> It might have a Linux version.
[04:25] <manchicken> You mean a version that'll work in a GNU OS?
[04:25] <manchicken> ^_^
[04:26] <Kr4t05> manchicken: Yeah...
[04:26] <Daisuke_Ido> "It's GNU/Linux!" - R. Stallman
[04:26] <Daisuke_Ido> >_>
[04:26] <Daisuke_Ido> carry on
[04:26] <lupine_85> I thought he prefered GNU+Linux now?
[04:26] <Kr4t05> I've been using Kubuntu and FOSS for over a year, not and I still refer to it as "Linux."
[04:26] <BluesKaj> hmmm, xmms player in streamtuner is non responsive , won't close ..what's the fill cmd ?
[04:26] <Kr4t05> now*
[04:26] <BluesKaj> kill
[04:26] <lupine_85> I like "GNU/GNU+Linux (but a lot of it isn't)"
[04:27] <Kr4t05> BluesKaj: killall -9 xmms?
[04:27] <lupine_85> e.g. we don't call it GNU+Xorg+BSD+Linux because that'd be silly
[04:27] <Kr4t05> lupine_85: We can't help that... The world is dominated by money...
[04:27] <BluesKaj> Kr4t05, yup that worked , thx
[04:28] <lupine_85> ?
[04:28] <Kr4t05> You can hold good intentions in one hand, and a $20 in the other, you see what people go for first.
[04:28] <manchicken> No, it's GNU using a Linux kernel.
[04:28] <manchicken> GNU also works with a Darwin kernel.
[04:28] <lupine_85> manchicken: it's also Xorg using a Linux kernel. and many other things using a linux kernel
[04:28] <manchicken> xorg will work with more than just a linux kernel.
[04:28] <lupine_85> so what % of GNU programs must be installed for it to be a GNU/ system?
[04:29] <Croupier> Make sure that your X server is running and that $DISPLAY is set correctly.
[04:29] <manchicken> lupine_85: ls, ar, tar, cp, mv, rm, top, ps....
[04:29] <Kr4t05> Whatever it is, it works without question and is completely free, which is more than can be said for Windows.
[04:29] <Croupier> thats what i get when i try to intall steam with wine
[04:29] <Croupier> any ideas guys
[04:29] <lupine_85> manchicken: I know what the GNU commands are :)
[04:29] <manchicken> Kr4t05: Cost isn't a problem.  It's freedom.
[04:29] <lupine_85> the question still stands
[04:29] <Croupier> been trying winehq but it doesnt really say much
[04:29] <manchicken> lupine_85: The C library that linux builds with is GNU, too.
[04:29] <lupine_85> how does one /define/ a GNU system?
[04:30] <Minataku> Stallman just wants his outfit to get it's bit of well-deserved credit, I can't say I blame him
[04:30] <lupine_85> so if it uses glibc it's a gnu system?
[04:30] <Kr4t05> manchicken: Call me narrow-minded, but I don't see it as a major problem, right now.
[04:30] <manchicken> lupine_85: A GNU operating system is a GNU operating system.
[04:30] <lupine_85> ...you're sidestepping :p
[04:30] <lupine_85> you don't have a definition
[04:30] <manchicken> Kr4t05: I suppose nobody can FORCE you to value your freedom ^_^
[04:31] <Kr4t05> Too many people seem to have a vendeta against big business. Freedom is there, you have the freedom, but, much as what has been proven time and again, when humans are given freedom, they merely ask for more.
[04:31] <manchicken> lupine_85: If most of the system can keep running and running well with everything but GNU and and the compatible kernel of your choice on it, then it's a GNU operating system.
[04:31] <lupine_85> ok
[04:32] <lupine_85> remove X
[04:32] <lupine_85> is it running - and running well - by your definition?
[04:32] <manchicken> Kr4t05: I have no problem with corporations.  I only have a problem with the notion that it's okay to restrict freedom for the sake of profit.
[04:32] <manchicken> lupine_85: Yes.
[04:32] <Minataku> Too many big businesses have a vendetta against their customers
[04:32] <manchicken> lupine_85: I use GNU without X on a rather regular basis.
[04:32] <Kr4t05> Minataku: That's reality.
[04:32] <lupine_85> cool. but by my definition, it isn't, because I do a fair bit of graphics manipulation
[04:33] <Minataku> Whom most of them are assumed to be liars and theives out to do nothing more than steal everything they "deserve" to be paid for
[04:33] <lupine_85> so it's not a very good definition, because it's subjective
[04:33] <manchicken> lupine_85: Graphics manipulation is the function of a graphics program, not an operating system.
[04:33] <lupine_85> the function of an operating system is to enable programs
[04:33] <manchicken> Yup.
[04:33] <manchicken> And X is a program.
[04:33] <lupine_85> so is ar
[04:33] <Kr4t05> Too many people are living in the fantasy that businesses exist to please customers. Maybe in the 1920's, but now? Those businesses exist simply for the purpose of lining the pockets of their benefactors.
[04:33] <manchicken> It's a server program, that client programs connect to.
[04:34] <lupine_85> everything userspace is a program
[04:34] <Kr4t05> It's human nature. There's only one thing that can change that.
[04:34] <manchicken> lupine_85: ar is an archive program that builds static libraries, and is necessary for building programs from source into usable libraries and binary executables.
[04:34] <lupine_85> you still don't have an objective definition
[04:34] <lupine_85> I know what it is
[04:34] <manchicken> lupine_85: Evidently not.
[04:34] <lupine_85> dpkg also uses it
[04:34] <Minataku> Kr4t05: Exactly, so can you blame the customers (or as the corporations see them, dirty theives) for having a vendetta against the corporations?
[04:35] <manchicken> lupine_85: X is not necessary for the operation of the computer.
[04:35] <lupine_85> neither is ar
[04:35] <lupine_85> not strictly :p
[04:35] <manchicken> lupine_85: Build tools are necessary for an operating system.
[04:35] <manchicken> lupine_85: No build tools, no operating system.
[04:35] <Minataku> I sent a letter to one of my representatives via the EFF
[04:35] <manchicken> lupine_85: X is optional.  A build system is not.
[04:36] <Minataku> I got back a letter basically telling me that I was against these things because I was nothing more than a lousy theif who wanted to steal everything
[04:36] <Kr4t05> Minataku: No. I spread the blame evenly. The customers are guilty of expecting more than reasonable in the eyes of companies that they no full well couldn't care less, and at the same time, I blame those very companies for not caring more about the customers themselves.
[04:36] <Minataku> Thelma Drake told me, in so many words, to "fuck off"
[04:36] <manchicken> Minataku: Scan it and post it.  I'll send that off to FSF and they'll lamb-baste the sender.
[04:36] <manchicken> Minataku: If you can do that, it would be quite valuable.
[04:36] <Minataku> manchicken: I may have destroyed it in rage
[04:37] <Minataku> If I can find it I will
[04:37] <Minataku> Otherwise I'll just send the bitch another one, she got reelected somehow anyway
[04:37] <manchicken> Minataku: If it ever existed, that'd be a great letter to get posted.
[04:37] <manchicken> ^_^
[04:38] <Minataku> manchicken: Note it didn't say any of that, but the gist of the letter just from the tiny bit of it I read was what I got
[04:38] <manchicken> Gotta figure out how to get tor working...
[04:39] <Linux_Galore> manchicken: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=10825
[04:39] <manchicken> Ooh...
[04:40] <Minataku> Maybe Jim Webb won't be corrupted by entertainment dollar$ and will actually fight for his constituents
[04:40] <Kr4t05> The thing I don't like about the free software movement, is the concept of a 'pure system', that is, an entire OS built without a single line of propreitary code. It doesn't exist, or at least not in the sense of being of any use to the 'typical user'. The companies aren't open about there products, simply because Microsoft, Sony, HP and Apple all say "Don't!"
[04:40] <Minataku> Instead of elegantly insulting them in very disguised words
[04:41] <tony__> hello., I need to install mysql 5, do i need to install the server version or Clien version ????
[04:41] <Minataku> Like Thelma Drake
[04:41] <Kr4t05> And, politicians are arrogant. Plain and simple.   Do you need to run the database server, or do you need a client that you can use to connect to an existing server?
[04:41] <Minataku> But, sorry again for going off topic and for anything else anyone may not have liked
[04:41] <manchicken> tony__: If you want to run your own database server, you need both.
[04:42] <manchicken> Yeah, it might be time to respect the topic now...  heh
[04:42] <tony__> I need to install few php mysql scripts .that need mysql database
[04:42] <tony__> so i assume it would be the server one for this reason
[04:42] <manchicken> tony__: So you need to create a mysql database server then, right?
[04:42] <tony__> yes.
[04:42] <manchicken> tony__: Then you'll need both clients and server.
[04:43] <tony__> why i need the client
[04:43] <tony__> ?
[04:43] <manchicken> tony__: Client lets you interact with the server.
[04:43] <manchicken> tony__: So you can manage your data.
[04:43] <tony__> i only need the server to run the script
[04:43] <manchicken> Though I suppose you could use the command-line.
[04:43] <spitwise> phpmyadmin is great
[04:43] <tony__> is the client is GUI ?
[04:43] <spitwise> tony__: ^
[04:43] <manchicken> tony__: Some are.
[04:44] <manchicken> Web app clients are security risks.
[04:44] <tony__> Thanks
[04:44] <spitwise> !phpmyadmin
[04:44] <ubotu> phpmyadmin: set of PHP-scripts to administrate MySQL over the WWW. In component universe, is extra. Version 4:2.8.2-0.2 (edgy), package size 3522 kB, installed size 13752 kB
[04:44] <spitwise> you can use your browser
[04:44] <tony__> yes, i worked with phpmyadmin before
[04:44] <tony__> :)
[04:44] <manchicken> tony__: Don't forget to install the php-mysql feller.
[04:44] <tony__> thanks.
[04:44] <Linux_Galore> more on using tor with ubuntu + settings up the firefox plugins -> http://techflock.blogspot.com/2006/11/surf-web-anonymously.html
[04:44] <tony__> is php5 in repo already ?
[04:45] <spitwise> think so
[04:45] <tony__> thanks
[04:45] <tony__> :)
[04:45] <manchicken> Who uses firefox?
[04:45] <manchicken> konq++
[04:45] <spitwise> i do
[04:45] <tony__> i do
[04:46] <tony__> on both window and linux
[04:46] <junocdx> Opera > Firefox
[04:47] <tony__> had no major issur with FF on window . :) .. nor linux
[04:47] <tony__> specially the sites that i visit ..
[04:48] <manchicken> junocdx: Opera is a terrible browser.
[04:48] <e1> hello, i tried to use thunderbird awhile ago, and now some emails i had before in my regular email account is only viewable in thunderbird, how do i fix this so i can see my mail in my regular account
[04:48] <hawk_> hello everyone, well i was thinking is there any other kind of desktops that you can install like for instance like fluxbox and others
[04:48] <junocdx> manchicken: and why is that?  I've been using it for 6 years and absolutely love it.
[04:49] <manchicken> 3 reasons
[04:49] <tony__> can thunderbird be configured to check Hotmail accounts ????
[04:49] <manchicken> 1) It's spyware, 2) it's non-free, 3) it's not standards compliant.
[04:50] <junocdx> manchicken:  have you ever used it?
[04:51] <tony__> i think almost all programs out there are kinda spyware :) ..
[04:51] <manchicken> junocdx: Yup.  I stopped once I discovered that it was transmitting back to its "owner" every site I visited.
[04:51] <hawk_> so can i install fluxbox on this os.. and if so how do i do that
[04:51] <katabatic> SOMEBODY HELP PLEASE! my problem is that, at boot, it won't automatically get an IP address from the router via DHCP. I have to disable/enable the card in network settings, or type some command to enable it, then it connects. I perhaps did something that caused this, but I can't figure it out!! it worked perfectly before.
[04:51] <manchicken> tony__: Only on non-free operating systems is spyware that common.
[04:51] <junocdx> manchicken: if you didnt look at child porn that wouldnt be a problem ;)
[04:52] <manchicken> katabatic: What type of card?
[04:52] <tony__> thats true manchicken
[04:52] <e1>  hello, i tried to use thunderbird awhile ago, and now some emails i had before in my regular email account is only viewable in thunderbird, how do i fix this so i can see my mail in my regular account
[04:52] <manchicken> junocdx: Excuse me?
[04:52] <lupine_85> CP? dcc2mekplzthx
[04:52] <junocdx> manchicken: was a joke.
[04:52] <tony__> on window .. almost all programs that i have , connect to internet to transfer some info . no matter what program i use
[04:52] <manchicken> junocdx: Do you have a problem son?  Please be respectful.
[04:52] <lascar> good evening all
[04:53] <lupine_85> omg that's not CP
[04:53] <katabatic> manchicken, wired
[04:53] <manchicken> junocdx: Spyware is never okay.  That joke was highly inappropriate.
[04:53] <tony__> e1 i think what happens is that thunderbird downloads the email and removes them from server
[04:53] <manchicken> katabatic: What card specifically?
[04:53] <lascar> does anyone know of a good note-taking app?  And please don't say knotes...
[04:53] <tony__> e1  I belive you have the option to leave a copy on server
[04:54] <e1> tony__ o crap
[04:54] <katabatic> it shouldn't matter. worked fine before, but I installed/uninstalled packages and maybe changed some settings, then it stopped working
[04:54] <e1> tony__ what if my thunderbird was than uninstalled
[04:54] <tony__> almost all email clients do that e1
[04:54] <katabatic> and I don't know what
[04:54] <lupine_85> e1: do you have an IMAP mailbox anywhere?
[04:54] <lupine_85> you can copy your emails to that and they'll stay there
[04:54] <junocdx> manchicken: sorry? =\
[04:54] <lupine_85> (it's what I do :) )
[04:55] <e1> lupine_85 what's an IMAP mailbox, i prolly don't have
[04:55] <manchicken> junocdx: It's cool. ^_^
[04:55] <tony__> e1 I am not sure , but all email program put the email in a database , sometimes databases are not removed when you uninstall
[04:55] <hawk_> nvm
[04:55] <lupine_85> maildir is hardly a database ;)
[04:55] <e1> tony__ what if i then totally uninstalled kubuntu and reinstalled kubuntu =)
[04:55] <tony__> but again , i am not sure if thunderbird dose that
[04:55] <lupine_85> (mbox could be a type of flat file, I guess, but not maildir)
[04:55] <tony__> e1 good luck with getting your data in that case
[04:56] <LameBMX> kay .. i tried to update to a newer version of gaim .. which required gtk upgrade ... and yea .. like everything is broken now ... no icons n stuff any clues anyone .. also gettin gtk failed to open display errors for beryl
[04:56] <lupine_85> e1: your provider will be able to tell you if you're using IMAP or POP3
[04:56] <e1> tony__ darn it, so i can't get it back anymore
[04:56] <manchicken> LameBMX: Why not use kopete?
[04:56] <e1> lupine_85 o i guess it's pop3
[04:56] <e1> lupine_85 cuz i remember last time it checked automatically and it was pop3
[04:56] <lascar> gaim has a better feel
[04:56] <e1> sigh..that sucks so bad =(
[04:56] <LameBMX> never played with kopete manchicken
[04:56] <manchicken> I disagree, but I suppose that's subjective.
[04:57] <manchicken> LameBMX: You should check it out.  It's quite nice.
[04:57] <lascar> plus it's scalable
[04:57] <LameBMX> i was tryint o get the amarok status message thing working
[04:57] <katabatic> manchicken, any idea
[04:57] <tony__> e1 even if you leave a copy on your server, you ISP will remove them when your inbox gets full .. so best thing is to backup important emails
[04:57] <LameBMX> hence the gaim upgrade
[04:57] <manchicken> lascar: How scalable does an IM client have to be?
[04:57] <lupine_85> nah, the best thing to do is to run your own mail server
[04:57] <lascar> manchicken: if i wanna add nifty functions and change its appearance, then I should be able to.
[04:57] <e1> tony__ but i was well within the 200 mb, tsk so sad
[04:57] <manchicken> katabatic: It may be a hardware issue.  It could be a driver issue.  It could be a networking issue.  Driver or hardware may be the most likely if it's a fresh install.
[04:58] <e1> tony__ how do i make sure i leave copy on server right now this time
[04:58] <manchicken> lascar: You can do that with kopete.
[04:58] <junocdx> anyone recommend a good budget chipset for a non-poweruser?
[04:58] <manchicken> lascar: kopete has a fully functional plugin library.
[04:58] <tony__> e1 hold on let me check my thunderbird
[04:58] <LameBMX> manchicken, how the hey do i hide contacts that arent online
[04:58] <manchicken> lascar: I think you can also use Ruby Qt/KDE to use it.
[04:58] <lascar> manchicken: how "fully functional" are we talking?
[04:58] <e1> tony__ k thx
[04:58] <lascar> i haven't touched it since breezy, methinks
[04:58] <manchicken> LameBMX: Click the icon with a bunch of people on it in the toolbar.
[04:58] <katabatic> manchicken, read what I said
[04:59] <katabatic> it shouldn't matter. worked fine before, but I installed/uninstalled packages and maybe changed some settings, then it stopped working
[04:59] <manchicken> lascar: The UI uses the library.
[04:59] <LameBMX> manchicken, how do i hide offline users
[04:59] <lupine_85> now here's a question. I have a logical volume that I'm using for qemu, and it is being treated as a full physical hard drive by the guest OS, i.e. it has an MBR and a partition table
[04:59] <manchicken> LameBMX: I just said.
[04:59] <lascar> !ntfs
[04:59] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions. For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[04:59] <LameBMX> ahh found it .. no it was under settings
[04:59] <tony__> go to Edit >>Account Settings.
[04:59] <lascar> !ntfs-3g
[04:59] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[04:59] <lupine_85> is there any way I can specify to mount said partition, even though I don't have a device file for it?
[04:59] <e1> tony__ k
[04:59] <manchicken> katabatic: I'm saying it DOES matter.
[05:00] <tony__> e1 click on server settings
[05:00] <manchicken> LameBMX: kopete is really easy to use.
[05:00] <e1> tony__ k
[05:00] <manchicken> lascar: The UI actually uses the library directly for everything IIRC.
[05:01] <manchicken> lascar: The plugin UI is the same library.
[05:01] <LameBMX> manchicken, i dont really care about its full ease ... and its already on my nerves wanting that dang wallet to run
[05:01] <tony__> e1 check the checkbox : Leave messages on server . and set the time period for it
[05:01] <manchicken> LameBMX: All KDE stuff uses wallet.  Wallet is a great thing.
[05:01] <lascar> ok
[05:01] <e1> tony__ cool
[05:01] <manchicken> LameBMX: Keeps your private information private.
[05:01] <LameBMX> manchicken, no memory is a good thing
[05:01] <manchicken> LameBMX: Wallet isn't a problem with memory.
[05:01] <LameBMX> manchicken, how is it private when it is stored?
[05:01] <tony__> e1 hope that helps
[05:02] <manchicken> LameBMX: It's encrypted.
[05:02] <e1> tony__ what if i want it kept on server forever, well not forever, but just leave it on server and don't do anything to it
[05:02] <LameBMX> and encryption gets broke
[05:02] <hawk_> all of the packeges that i try to install dont work
[05:02] <katabatic> manchicken, why would it?
[05:02] <e1> tony__ do i just check until i delete or remove them from inbox?
[05:02] <tony__> e1  yes
[05:02] <manchicken> katabatic: Because there may be a problem with the driver for that particular device.
[05:02] <e1> tony__ k thx alot =)
[05:03] <tony__> e1 no problmes :)
[05:03] <manchicken> LameBMX: "KWallet saves this sensitive data for you in a strongly encrypted file, accessible by all applications, and protected with a master password that you define."
[05:03] <manchicken> LameBMX: That's from the KWallet documentation.
[05:04] <spookcomix> I've got a question about the way Kubuntu "auto mounts" CDs, and labels them with the CD name.  I like the auto-mounting, but not the labeling.  I'd rather that all CDs mount to /media/cdrom0.  Possible?
[05:04] <LameBMX> manchicken, i can read a manpage too .. i would rather use my physical memory to remember passwords
[05:05] <hawk_> how do i add other desktop to the grafical login?
[05:05] <manchicken> LameBMX: That wasn't in the manpage.  That was in the KDE documentation for kwallet.
[05:05] <LameBMX> physical memory as in my brain ... its a bit harder to crack
[05:05] <manchicken> LameBMX: IIRC, kopete allows you to not use kwallet.
[05:07] <LameBMX> well im giving it a try ... but its already gotten on my badside
[05:08] <manchicken> spookcomix: I believe you can fix that in the /etc/fstab.
[05:08] <manchicken> hawk_: I'm sorry, I'm not entirely sure what you mean.
[05:09] <LameBMX> but that still dont save the real issue lol
[05:09] <LameBMX> anyone know any way to rebuild the k menu thingy ... i got lots o broken apps on it lol
[05:09] <spookcomix> Well, I looked there.  There was (at one point in my experimenting), a line for a /dev/sd0 (I believe) that should mount to /media/cdrom, but when I would try to do that myself, I'd get a message about that device not even existing.
[05:10] <manchicken> LameBMX: kwallet is just a normal part of KDE.
[05:10] <freshburn> YIPEE! this first time i got my desktop and/or laptop to connect to anything internet
[05:10] <manchicken> freshburn: Congratz.
[05:10] <junocdx> do I run a .bin in konsole?
[05:11] <lupine_85> chmod +x file.bin; ./file.bin
[05:11] <manchicken> spookcomix: I'm not sure what device would be /dev/sd0...
[05:11] <junocdx> thnx
[05:11] <freshburn> but konq. and mozilla wont load any sites and the adept update manager fails on d/l attemps for updates
[05:11] <LameBMX> manchicken, and if i want to choose not to use it ...
[05:11] <spookcomix> Oh, and also, one CD that I entered (trying to get Broodwars to work) no longer gets mounted, no matter what.  One time when it was mounted, I tried editing the icon that showed up on the desktop and tried to modify it to mount to /media/cdrom0.  After that, it won't show up, no matter what.  Other CDs auto-mount and show up fine.
[05:11] <manchicken> freshburn: Paste your /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:11] <manchicken> !paste
[05:11] <freshburn> konversation had to retry connect 3 times before it worked
[05:11] <ubotu> paste is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste)
[05:12] <manchicken> spookcomix: It may not be a recognized filesystem.
[05:12] <LameBMX> Gtk-WARNING **: Error loading icon: Unable to load image-loading module: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-png.so: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-png.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:12] <hawk_> anyone know how to add a desktop to the kde login screen
[05:12] <manchicken> LameBMX: So install those libraries.
[05:12] <Dr_willis> hawk_,  theres a series of .desktop files that define those
[05:12] <manchicken> hawk_: You mean how to add more different choices?
[05:12] <hawk_> yes
[05:12] <Dr_willis>   /usr/share/xsessions/kde.desktop
[05:12] <hawk_> like fluxbox
[05:12] <LameBMX> hawk_, what are you trying to add ... /usr/share/xsessions is where they are located .. and you can use one of the existing .desktop for a template
[05:13] <freshburn> no pastebin so far only konversation will work
[05:13] <Dr_willis> make one for whatever desktop ya want
[05:13] <manchicken> hawk_: `sudo apt-get install fluxbox`
[05:13] <freshburn> but i have a wierd setup
[05:13] <hawk_> it says that it is a break in the packege
[05:13] <Dr_willis> fluxbox installed one on this system. or just copy kde.desktop to whatever.. and edit the file
[05:13] <xcon> hi lame
[05:13] <freshburn> my xp machine dialsup then internet connection shared to linksys router then to my kubuntu machines
[05:13] <manchicken> freshburn: paste your apt sources.list so that I can see them.  I can't help you troubleshoot your problem if I can't see what your sources are.
[05:14] <manchicken> xcon: lame is nice.  xine is nice, too.  I got DVDs playing on my machine today.
[05:14] <lascar> xine = very nice
[05:14] <manchicken> Yesh.
[05:14] <manchicken> libdvdcss2 is nice, too ^_^
[05:14] <xcon> yea, xine and lame are great... but i was looking for LameBMX here
[05:14] <hawk_> thanx
[05:15] <xcon> i like kaffeine for ins xine goodness
[05:15] <manchicken> Ah.
[05:15] <manchicken> heh
[05:15] <xcon> anyway whats up man? tried to call
[05:15] <lascar> blech!  I had all sorts of library issues with kaffeine eons ago
[05:15] <manchicken> hawk_: Works?
[05:15] <hawk_> stiil working
[05:16] <LameBMX> whaddup xcon
[05:16] <manchicken> freshburn: WE CANNOT help you with an adept or apt issue if you do not post your /etc/apt/sources.list file.
[05:16] <xcon> i used ssh tunnel and VNC to see what chan u were in ^_^
[05:16] <LameBMX> lol
[05:16] <LameBMX> eh im in a few
[05:16] <LameBMX> see how like every icon is broken
[05:17] <xcon> ah, no... didn't want to be called a voyeur
[05:17] <xcon> ok im lookin
[05:18] <freshburn> i cant post to pastebin and i cant private message you without registering w/ freenode because i have no html i can post it to the chan but then ppl will be very angry with me lol
[05:18] <LameBMX> xcon stop movin my curser
[05:18] <LameBMX> lol
[05:18] <xcon> ok... but thats kde, so why icons a problem?
[05:19] <stdin> freshburn: what can't you post it to pastebin?
[05:19] <Dr_willis> freshburn,  why not register with freenode? - /msg nickserv help
[05:19] <LameBMX> i dk ... i compiled newest stable gaim .. had to compile gtk and its deps to do it ... and after that the amarok plugin for game worked but beryl and about everything else died (gtk based ..)
[05:20] <manchicken> freshburn: Why can't you post it to pastebin?
[05:20] <freshburn> dr willis my html (firefox and konquerer) wont load any sites
[05:20] <Dr_willis> sounds like you got some other issues to fix.
[05:20] <manchicken> freshburn: Try using konqueror.
[05:20] <freshburn> and i thought to register with freenode it was a web site but if its just nickserv i can do it
[05:21] <phobiac> I can't install .deb files on my home server. It's running ubuntu, and I've tried ark and file-roller (both defaulted to opening it). Ark tells me I'm missing something called ar, but I can't find a package with that name.
[05:21] <Dr_willis> try http://<IP_ADDRESS>
[05:21] <LameBMX> xcon, see the beryl error now .. used to have gtk errors ... they are off the clipboard thanx to a reboot to try and get aiglx workin
[05:21] <manchicken> freshburn: That's to cripple bots.
[05:21] <freshburn> its wierd that this works and i can access my shares from the xp computer running the internet connection
[05:21] <Dr_willis> phobiac,  thats because you normally use 'sudo dpkg -i whatever.deb' - its BEST to use the package managers, or sudo apt-get install packagename
[05:22] <hawk_> Hmmm.... i cant get fluxbox to install at all
[05:22] <Dr_willis> freshburn,  accessing windows shares have nothing to do with resolving web site addresses. :)
[05:22] <LameBMX> phobiac, apt-cache search partofname
[05:22] <manchicken> hawk_: What's the problem?
[05:22] <LameBMX> phobiac,  helps find package names to install with apt-get install
[05:22] <phobiac> Dr_willis: This package isn't in a repository, and I haven't tried a command line install yet. I'll try that.
[05:22] <Dr_willis> freshburn,  however i am wiondering how irc worked for you
[05:22] <Dr_willis> phobiac,  whats the program?
[05:22] <phobiac> Webmin
[05:22] <freshburn> dr willis but it proves  concept of connection with that pc over my network, ive spent the last 2 days just getting xp and kubuntu to use my linksys router in harmony
[05:23] <manchicken> freshburn: Do you have a firewall that is blocking port 80?
[05:23] <xcon> no, im not lookin at your screen ATM
[05:23] <Dr_willis> phobiac,  webmin is loved/hated. :) its proberly best to isntall that with the webmin source.
[05:23] <manchicken> freshburn: That doesn't sound like that much of a feat.
[05:23] <stdin> phobiac: are you on ubuntu or kubuntu ?
[05:23] <freshburn> nope i disabled both of them just to get this straightened out
[05:23] <phobiac> Hmm, it appears I'm missing some dependencies. That's probably the issue.
[05:24] <hawk_> i am geting this problem :::: Your libstdc++ doesn't have the sstream or strstream classes
[05:24] <phobiac> stdin: I run kubuntu, but this server I'm using ubuntu on. I'm too limited in my knowledge to handle full command line, I need the gui for this server.
[05:24] <manchicken> hawk_: try `apt-get build-dep fluxbox`
[05:25] <manchicken> Then try installing it again.
[05:25] <juano> anyone configured Kontact with gmail right?
[05:25] <juano> cant seem to send messages
[05:26] <stdin> phobiac: I know there is a way to install a deb packare in GUI on ubuntu, but I don't remember it right now, but you can install it with a simple command: sudo dpkg -i package.deb
[05:26] <Dr_willis> phobiac,  sudo dpkg -i  whatever.deb is too hard eh >:)
[05:26] <doodles> when i use suspend or hibernate i always have to enter my password after restoring the system... is there a way to change that?
[05:27] <juano> plus mail isnt fetching
[05:27] <manchicken> juano: Does gmail provide you with an smtp server?
[05:27] <juano> manchicken: smpt.gmail.com
[05:27] <phobiac> No, sudo dpkg -i is working. I'm just having some issues with the package that are about to be worked out. I was just wondering why gui install wasn't working, I've done it before. Of course this is a fresh install so maybe I didn't do something right.
[05:27] <juano> manchicken: port 465
[05:27] <phobiac> Oh well
[05:27] <manchicken> doodles: Yes.  Look in the power management screens.
[05:27] <juano> manchicken: pop.gmail.com port 995
[05:27] <xcon> Lame,thats not what you meant right?
[05:28] <juano> manchicken: thats for fetchin
[05:28] <manchicken> juano: SMTP is for sending.
[05:28] <xcon> cuz you're in kde... never saw beryl
[05:28] <LameBMX> ewwww i hate icons on the desktop .. watch ..
[05:28] <hawk_> ok when i did "apt-get build-dep fluxbox" it gave me a long list of err's
[05:28] <juano> manchicken: yes, i know.. i did everything i was supposed to
[05:28] <LameBMX> all the x's ... where the xchat icon on the taskbar ... lol ... hover the space between icons
[05:28] <xcon> ok watchin
[05:28] <stdin> hawk_: post them on pastebin
[05:29] <hawk_> how do i do that
[05:29] <LameBMX> plus the beryl error makes no sense
[05:29] <doodles> where can I find power management?
[05:29] <stdin> !pastebin | hawk_
[05:29] <ubotu> hawk_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:29] <manchicken> juano: Try telnetting to their SMTP server and see if it will accept the connection.
[05:29] <freshburn> any websites i.e. www.google.com return a can not connect error
[05:30] <manchicken> freshburn: Can you ping google.com?
[05:30] <Dr_willis> phobiac,  the dpkg -i method will not install other packages that  are needed/dependencies
[05:30] <freshburn> not even a 404 or nothing, just one text line saying, cannot connect to http://blah.blah.blah
[05:30] <juano> manchicken: k , sec
[05:30] <xcon> lol im watch9in you try to type
[05:30] <hawk_> here u go http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1260/
[05:30] <Dr_willis> freshburn, as a test does  http://<IP_ADDRESS>
[05:30] <Dr_willis> freshburn,  work or not?
[05:30] <manchicken> hawk_: Try running it with sudo.
[05:31] <intelikey> !dns
[05:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dns - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:31] <hawk_> that is what i got when i ran it in sudo
[05:31] <stdin> hawk_: have you got adept open?
[05:31] <manchicken> hawk_: `sudo apt-get...`
[05:31] <xcon> oh, crap... try --replace?
[05:31] <hawk_> yes
[05:31] <phobiac> Dr_willis: I just downloaded the dependent packages by hand.
[05:31] <hawk_> lol
[05:31] <manchicken> hawk_: Close adept.
[05:31] <hawk_> lol
[05:31] <hawk_> its working now
[05:31] <Dr_willis> phobiac,  ya could dpkg -i *.deb
[05:31] <manchicken> hawk_: Adept has the dpkg database locked.
[05:32] <hawk_> oh thats why
[05:32] <freshburn> that my friend worked so then i have my dns not correct
[05:32] <freshburn> right?
[05:32] <juano> manchicken: yeah i can telnet,
[05:32] <juano> (to) smtp.gmail.com 465
[05:32] <juano> Trying <IP_ADDRESS>...
[05:32] <juano> Connected to gmail-smtp.l.google.com.
[05:32] <hawk_> noooo, more err's
[05:32] <juano> sorry for paste guys
[05:32] <LameBMX> xcon, typin is fine .. no auto repeat for backspace though lol ...
[05:32] <manchicken> juano: Then you've probably got an authentication problem.
[05:32] <stdin> hawk_: you aren't the only one to have forgotten to close adept :P
[05:32] <xcon> lame, ok i see... it's emerald i thought but i forget exactly how... brb
[05:32] <manchicken> juano: Double-check gmail's documentation on how to authenticate.
[05:32] <juano> manchicken: ok
[05:32] <hawk_> ok i got it to run but it is now giving me more problems
[05:32] <hawk_> lol
[05:33] <manchicken> Paste 'em ^_^
[05:33] <hawk_> thank you for you help
[05:33] <phobiac> Dr_willis: The problem is that the .deb depends on a few perl packages. It's not to hard to go through by hand and install them all.
[05:33] <stdin> no problem hawk_ :)
[05:33] <Dr_willis> phobiac,  yep. webmin has a lot of parts. :)
[05:33] <phobiac> I'm considering just compiling this from the source.
[05:34] <freshburn> ok i think i got it thanks guys
[05:34] <hawk_> well here is some of the new err's http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1261/
[05:34] <stdin> phobiac: the command 'sudo apt-get -f install' (no package) usually goes and gets dependencies for you
[05:34] <xcon> Lame, sorry botu that... re-ran kwin for ya
[05:35] <phobiac> stdin: Will that work for a local package?
[05:35] <LameBMX> xcon its all good .. life happens ... but yea .. im a bit lost at the moment lol
[05:35] <Dr_willis> phobiac,  the 'source' for webmin is perl code i belive.. it just isntalls to the right place.
[05:35] <xcon> damn. it was supposed to work, even w/o manager
[05:35] <manchicken> hawk_: Try `sudo apt-get update`
[05:35] <stdin> phobiac: yeah, it's really only useful for local packages
[05:36] <hawk_> trying it
[05:36] <LameBMX> xcon, since when does things ever work that easy on this computer
[05:36] <juano> manchicken: nope, cant seem to send
[05:36] <xcon> or else i should have gone on to run emerald too
[05:36] <LameBMX> xcon, you really askin for too much with that
[05:36] <juano> manchicken: it stays in outbox
[05:36] <phobiac> Dr_willis: Yeah, I realized there's no source when I checked the site again. And thanks stdin I'll try that.
[05:36] <manchicken> juano: Do the tests work?
[05:36] <LameBMX> bery dont need need emerald .. just wont be able to grab windows n junk
[05:36] <juano> manchicken: tests?
[05:36] <xcon> lame... lemme try that again, this time with the power on
[05:36] <Dr_willis> phobiac,  last i installed it from the 'source' it wasent that hard.
[05:37] <hawk_> now by doing it this way it will add it the kde login right?
[05:37] <manchicken> juano: Try to test for what encryption protocols are supported.
[05:37] <Dr_willis> phobiac,  i do seem to recall installing some extra packages beforhand to get it to work with the https: stuff
[05:37] <lascar> does anyone know of a good note-taking application?
[05:37] <xcon> wait whos typin here
[05:38] <Dr_willis> lascar,  several blogg-notepad-posteit type programs out. 'zim' is one. (gtk based i think)
[05:38] <lascar> tried it and hated it
[05:38] <Dr_willis> lascar,  tomboy (i think also)
[05:38] <lascar> and good evening Dr_willis
[05:38] <manchicken> hawk_: What now?
[05:38] <Dr_willis> lascar,  too bad! thats my 'final answer' :) heh heh
[05:38] <Dr_willis> i perfered how zim worked to the other i tried.
[05:38] <lascar> tomboy...
[05:39] <Dr_willis> depends on the features ya need i guess. :)
[05:39] <lascar> just note-taking for classes
[05:39] <seven11> where would i find the autoupdate file for download the new updates
[05:39] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:39] <lascar> Dr_willis: full of jokes today, aren't you?
[05:39] <lascar> :-p
[05:40] <hawk_> well using apt-get fluxbox add it to the kde login screen under diffrenet desktops
[05:40] <Dr_willis> look at the battery life. :)
[05:40] <Dr_willis> lascar,  so you want more of a 'outliner' not a 'poste-it-note' thang.
[05:40] <manchicken> hawk_: I believe it will.
[05:40] <lascar> Dr_willis: outliner, me and post-its don't get along either
[05:40] <Dr_willis> outlines... *shudder*  Class *shudder x2*
[05:40] <hawk_> thank you so much for all your help people
[05:41] <lascar> indeed, 'tis a necessary evil for now
[05:41] <Dr_willis> lascar,  cant recall using anything that let ya auto-generate outlines.. in... ages....
[05:41] <manchicken> hawk_: Not a problem man. ^_^
[05:41] <manchicken> hawk_: This is Free software.  We help our neighbor ^_^
[05:41] <phobiac> Aha, got webmin working. Thank you stdin and Dr_willis.
[05:41] <angel> hola
[05:41] <Dr_willis> !find outline
[05:42] <ubotu> Found: libroxen-outline, vim-vimoutliner
[05:42] <manchicken> Dr_willis: what about emacs?
[05:42] <manchicken> Making outlines?
[05:42] <Dr_willis> !info vim-vimoutliner
[05:42] <ubotu> vim-vimoutliner: script for building an outline editor on top of Vim. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.4-3 (edgy), package size 87 kB, installed size 436 kB
[05:42] <stdin> phobiac: you're welcome :)
[05:42] <intelikey> "a necessary evil"   isn't that another word for  "who cares about good and evil"    ?
[05:42] <manchicken> M-x outline-mode in emacs.
[05:42] <hawk_> well i hope to get as good as you guys so i can help other people
[05:42] <Dr_willis> manchicken,  :) i knew emacs could do it.. heh
[05:42] <manchicken> Dr_willis: Emacs is delicious.
[05:43] <Dr_willis> i tend to just do quick and dirty edits.. :) so i use vim mainly
[05:43] <angel> hola alguien habla espaol???
[05:43] <manchicken> !es @ angel
[05:43] <stdin> !es | angel
[05:43] <Dr_willis> actually i sort of like fte also.
[05:43] <ubotu> es: An extensible shell based on `rc'. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.90beta1-10.1 (edgy), package size 99 kB, installed size 248 kB
[05:43] <ubotu> angel: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[05:43] <angel> ok, gracias
[05:43] <manchicken> Ooh, pipe.
[05:43] <stdin> heh
[05:43] <manchicken> de nada
[05:43] <lascar> !libroxen-outline
[05:43] <ubotu> libroxen-outline: Outline mode module for the Roxen Challenger web server. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-12 (edgy), package size 5 kB, installed size 52 kB
[05:44] <jonah8204> so i accidently erased all the files in my etc directory, used a copy of an etc directory from another computer running kubuntu, everything works fine except aptitude/apt/adept all seem to beleive i have no packages installed. anyway to fix this?
[05:45] <lascar> so...there's no KDE note-taking app?
[05:45] <manchicken> lascar: There are several.
[05:45] <Dr_willis> lascar,  try the various text editors
[05:45] <manchicken> lascar: knotes
[05:45] <stdin> jonah8204: I think apt/dpkg keep lists of packages in /var/lib not /etc
[05:45] <intelikey> !info knotes
[05:45] <ubotu> knotes: KDE sticky notes. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 241 kB, installed size 836 kB
[05:45] <Dr_willis> note-taking is not the same as 'outline generation'
[05:45] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:45] <manchicken> lascar: kfocus is nice for task management.
[05:46] <Dr_willis> emacs and vim also have outline modes/features
[05:46] <manchicken> Emacs is a delicious text editor ^_^
[05:47] <juano> manchicken: nope, cant send.. weird
[05:47] <intelikey> vim is a powerful text editor
[05:47] <manchicken> juano: I think you've got an authentication error.
[05:47] <stdin> juano: google smtp is "smtp.gmail.com" port "587" you need to use your<EMAIL_ADDRESS>as username for it and you need to set it to use TLS to connect (that's what works for me)
[05:47] <hybrid> vim > vile > emacs
[05:47] <juano> stdin: ok ill try again
[05:48] <manchicken> The editor of the beast: vi vi vi
[05:48] <manchicken> ^_^
[05:48] <hybrid> hehe
[05:48] <jonah8204> stdin: thanks, i see there are a bunch of files *-old, i guess it made backups and started a new "database"
[05:48] <intelikey> manchicken the permission of the beast rw-rw-rw-
[05:49] <manchicken> intelikey: Very true.
[05:49] <manchicken> Numbers are fun ^_^
[05:49] <juano> stdin: nope doesnt seem to work, maybe cause im routed or somethin?
[05:51] <stdin> juano: maybe, I found some settings from google you can try, as a final test: http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=13287
[05:52] <juano_> could it be firewall or something?
[05:53] <juano_> though through thunderbird i can send mail ok
[05:53] <stdin> looked at http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=13287 ?
[05:53] <manchicken> intelikey: The hex of the beast 29A.
[05:53] <hawk_> hello, i am back... well i have installed fluxbox but how do i add it to the login screen for kde
[05:53] <manchicken> juano_: If it was a network issue like that, you wouldn't have been able to telnet.
[05:54] <intelikey> 110110110
[05:54] <lascar> and tomboy it is.  Thanks Dr_phil!
[05:54] <lascar> I mean Dr_Willis ;)
[05:54] <juano_> but its weird, it sais no new messages on this server and i just sent one, when i enter through http i can see it right there in my inbox
[05:54] <juano_> ive already enabled POP3 through gmail
[05:54] <manchicken> intelikey: That'd be<PHONE_NUMBER>
[05:54] <intelikey> no i was using the perms idea still
[05:55] <manchicken> Ah.
[05:55] <manchicken> I suppose ^_^
[05:55] <intelikey> as it were 110 110 110
[05:55] <stdin> hawk_: what's in /usr/share/xsessions/ ?
[05:55] <hawk_> ok lets go and see
[05:56] <manchicken> hawk_: Find the fluxbox.desktop
[05:56] <hawk_> kde.desktop
[05:56] <hawk_> and that is it
[05:56] <manchicken> hawk_: And copy it to /usr/share/xsessions
[05:56] <hawk_> ok
[05:57] <stdin> if you installed the package "fluxbox" it should be in there already
[05:57] <hawk_> well i guess i am just unlucky
[05:57] <hawk_> lol
[05:57] <manchicken> hawk_: Copy the kde.desktop to fluxbox.desktop, and then edit it to point to fluxbox.
[05:58] <hawk_> ok
[05:58] <manchicken> hawk_: When I apt-get install'ed fluxbox, it put the fluxbox.desktop in there, too.
[05:58] <manchicken> I'm gonna hit the roost here in about 2 minutes.
[05:58] <hawk_> no there is no fluxbox in there
[05:58] <manchicken> It's 22:58.  Eesh.
[05:59] <manchicken> hawk_: Making your own won't hurt.
[05:59] <stdin> hawk_: it should look like this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1264/
[05:59] <jonah8204> even though the dpkg info is in /var/lib/dpkg, i haven't had anyluck with any of the files helping my system recongnize which packages are installed, anything i can do to "scan" my systems installed packages and make a new db?
[06:00] <manchicken> jonah8204: What is the problem you're having specifically?
[06:00] <marco> Hello, I'm using ubuntu but I'd like to try Debian. I know that Ubuntu is debian related but... Curiosity :) Will I see lot of changes or... it's going to be pretty much the same? Finally, what about automatic updates and synaptic ? Will I see it in Debian? Tanks
[06:01] <manchicken> marco: I would think it pretty simple.  I'm not sure what they use over there.
[06:01] <phobiac> It is package based though, as far as I know.
[06:01] <Dr_willis> marco,  id stick with ubuntu. :)
[06:01] <manchicken> marco: You may just be able to modify your /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-get update && apt-get upgrade to switch.
[06:02] <Dr_willis> marco,  thers a lot of little differances and bits of 'polish' with ubuntu/kubuntu - that make debian seem a bit rough in places.
[06:02] <marco> What do you do to update your system?
[06:02] <manchicken> phobiac: Debian?  Yeah, of course it's package-based.
[06:02] <stdin> marco: If you're going to try debian, then a fresh install is recommended, but mostly it's the same, but be warned you may have to install gnome or kde ofter, as I don't think they are installed by default
[06:02] <Dr_willis> marco,  ubuntu/kubuntu  have their own update repositories. works the same as debian does
[06:02] <hawk_> it want let me copy back into the session flolder
[06:02] <intelikey> marco debian stable or development ?
[06:02] <manchicken> phobiac: That's like saying oil is carbon-based.
[06:03] <stdin> hawk_: sudo cp
[06:03] <jonah8204> manchicken: apt/dpkg/aptitude don't recongnize that i have packages installed on my system (this after an (accidental) erasing of my etc directory)
[06:03] <manchicken> hawk_: Use sudo.
[06:03] <manchicken> jonah8204: Ahh...  I'm not sure how to come back from that.
[06:03] <manchicken> jonah8204: Be more careful with sudo ^_^
[06:04] <Minataku> jonah8204: That's... that's pretty bad
[06:04] <marco> Well, there's one fta with 31r4
[06:04] <marco> ftp
[06:04] <manchicken> Okay, it's time to hit the roost.
[06:04] <manchicken> Later folks.
[06:04] <jonah8204> :) it really is, i guess i have to reinstall :(
[06:04] <Minataku> That's like accidentally destroying all the concrete in your house's foundation
[06:05] <lupine_85> jonah8204: maybe an apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop will do you
[06:05] <lupine_85> if you're lucky :)
[06:05] <lupine_85> reinstall will be less hassle, most likely
[06:06] <intelikey> jonah8204 may i ask how you "an (accidental) erasing of my etc"  ?
[06:06] <intelikey> what did you do ?
[06:07] <phobiac> Jonah: Going on what lupine said, you might be able to make a sources.list in /etc/apt/
[06:07] <jonah8204> intelikey i messed up with wildcards i needed to get ride of certain files. rm *something. and it erased everything except the dirs, not the result i was excpecting
[06:07] <Jucato> (sudo rm -rf /etc......)
[06:07] <phobiac> And then do apt-get instal kubuntu-desktop? Possibly?
[06:07] <ironfroggy> anyone experience odd problems with amarok suddenly thinking the collection is empty?
[06:07] <intelikey> Jucato yeah....
[06:07] <jonah8204> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop seems like a good suggestion, i'm gonna try it
[06:07] <ironfroggy> yet i get no database connection errors and the files in the collection are all present.
[06:08] <phobiac> johnah: You'll need a sources.list though.
[06:08] <phobiac> I would assume.
[06:08] <jonah8204> i
[06:08] <juano_> manchicken: lol this is drivin me nuts
[06:08] <jonah8204> i've got one, i'm using the /etc dir from another pc
[06:08] <intelikey> i accadentillu did  sudo rm -fr /etc     and typed in my passwd   and waited while it removed my files... accidentally.
[06:08] <Jucato> maybe something that uses --get-selections and --set-selections
[06:08] <phobiac> Ah okay.
[06:08] <juano_> manchicken: i tried that conf, doesnt work
[06:09] <jonah8204> intelikey: lol
[06:09] <juano_> manchicken: and through thunderbird seems i can only send mail
[06:09] <juano_> manchicken: i try sending to myself an email
[06:09] <juano_> manchicken: and then fetching it, doesnt seem to work
[06:12] <marco> Debian comes in 2 DVDs . I's lot of software, no ? :)
[06:13] <intelikey> marco the two dvd set is all the repo on disk so you don't install from the network you install from the disks      (not the initial install only)
[06:14] <marco> right
[06:14] <marco> is 31r4 the latest release?
[06:15] <intelikey> marco there is #debian you know.
[06:16] <marco> oh. I'm sorry. Since ubuntu is debian related... dint mean
[06:16] <intelikey> !debian
[06:16] <ubotu> Ubuntu and Debian are closely related. Ubuntu builds on the foundations of Debian architecture and infrastructure, with a different community and release process. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship
[06:16] <marco> tnks
[06:18] <K`zan> What does it take to get a super user konqueror file manager - I can su it, but I can't do anything :-(.
[06:18] <intelikey> kdesu konqueror
[06:18] <K`zan> thanks! intelikey
[06:19] <phobiac> sudo konqueror has always worked for me too.
[06:20] <intelikey> phobiac mmm hmm  but "works for me"   is not a recomendation
[06:20] <bky> i have 2 issues, one I asked about before, but the new one trubles me...
[06:20] <intelikey> !works for me
[06:20] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[06:20] <K`zan> kdesu konqueror --profile filemanagement
[06:20] <K`zan> kdesu: Unknown option '--profile'.
[06:20] <stdin> !worksforme
[06:20] <K`zan> wich works fine without the kdesu...
[06:20] <bky> my video card is acting odd, I think it's the drivers. when I use the open drivers, it seems fine
[06:20] <stdin> sudo can mess up some config files, kdesu wont
[06:21] <bky> when I open and close windows (and do other things, like just mosing over the header buttons) my video card makes this buzzing sound
[06:21] <K`zan> Yep, well this is the only real problem I have run into with ubuntu yet :-), it is a gross PITA, but I can log out and back in and do what I need to do :-(.
[06:21] <Jucato> K`zan: kdesu 'konqueror --profile filemangement'
[06:22] <bky> it's not the card for sure (as I said, only the proprititary drivers do it)
[06:22] <intelikey> K`zan the options --profile filemanagement  are good for what ?    is it like you can't browse without  --profile filemanagement  ???
[06:22] <K`zan> Jucato: Damn, I should have caught that :-), thanks!
[06:22] <bky> and it worked with no noise on suse/fedora/xp
[06:22] <K`zan> Nope, malformed URL :-(.
[06:23] <stdin> K`zan:  kdesu -c 'konqueror --profile filemanagement'
[06:23] <Jucato> K`zan: try double quotes
[06:23] <intelikey> kdesu konqueror
[06:23] <stdin> ^^ works best
[06:23] <K`zan> double quote gets same resulyt.
[06:23] <intelikey> so simple to just do it.
[06:23] <Jucato> :O
[06:24] <Jucato> that never happened to me...
[06:24] <draik> Hello all
[06:24] <K`zan> Sigh, trying to edit my root .bashrc and it will not allow me to do it...
[06:24] <draik> just kidding
[06:24] <intelikey> lol
[06:25] <Jucato> heh :)
[06:25] <K`zan> sign, that doesn't work either.
[06:25] <intelikey> K`zan why in the world are you wanting to run konq to edit a file.
[06:25] <intelikey> ?
[06:25] <K`zan> oh well
[06:25] <K`zan> intelikey: To see if I can if I need to...  Handy when you admin a lot.
[06:26] <intelikey> K`zan  sudo nano /root/.bashrc
[06:26] <K`zan> Might as well just run as root, but I hate to do that.
[06:26] <K`zan> nano, nahhh
[06:26] <K`zan> :-)(
[06:26] <intelikey> kate
[06:26] <K`zan> doesn't work, going to have to fake out X to begin with...
[06:26] <intelikey> ok i've heard enough whining tho.
[06:27] <K`zan> Same here :)
[06:27] <K`zan> Can't be done, enough said.
[06:27] <draik> Hey Jucato & intelikey do you know of a channel where I can get help with remoting into my friend's computer?
[06:27] <Jucato> draik: nope.. sorry... :(
[06:27] <intelikey> draik ssh ?
[06:27] <draik> I know it can be done. I just want to be able to do it so that I can help from home
[06:28] <draik> intelikey: This is the error message I get...        [Notice]  -ChanServ- You do not have channel operator access to [#ssh]
[06:28] <ramanuj> can anybody tell me how to start a service on boot
[06:28] <ramanuj> in ubuntu
[06:28] <intelikey> draik ssh no not channel.   are you trying to use ssh ?
[06:28] <ramanuj> as i am have to start my wlan everytime i start my computer
[06:29] <draik> intelikey: ssh over VNC
[06:29] <draik> !vnc
[06:29] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[06:29] <intelikey> ramanuj init scripts
[06:29] <stdin> draik: you get your friend to install ssh, then get them to set up a user account for you
[06:29] <draik> whoops
[06:29] <draik> backwards... VNC over ssh
[06:29] <draik> stdin: They have ssh installed
[06:29] <ramanuj> i know in RPM based distributions but here in ubuntu i m new
[06:29] <ramanuj> where these init scripts are in ubuntu
[06:29] <draik> !autostart
[06:29] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[06:30] <intelikey> draik the vnc part i have no exp with but ssh in and make sure that you can connect
[06:30] <stdin> draik: then you just need an account and pass to login with
[06:30] <draik> !autostart > ramanuj
[06:30] <draik> stdin: I have his UN/PW already
[06:30] <draik> intelikey: the issue is with our routers... Can't connect to him
[06:30] <stdin> draik: then just: ssh username@host
[06:31] <draik> stdin: he's behind a router at his home
[06:31] <stdin> draik: ahh, then he nees to forward port 22 to his internal IP
[06:31] <draik> hmmm
[06:31] <stdin> port 22 = ssh
[06:31] <intelikey> draik the router will have to open/forward port 22  or you will have to set his box's ssh to listen on an open port.
[06:32] <draik> stdin: FWD port 22 to his IP and then do it from home?
[06:32] <intelikey> ssh defaults to 22 but could be anything
[06:32] <stdin> draik: yeah, if he forwards port 22 (default for ssh) on the router to his internal IP then you'll be able to connect from the net
[06:33] <draik> stdin: Very good. I will try that tomorrow. I just saw what time it is. I'm sure he's not awake. What about doing it via GUI?
[06:33] <intelikey> correct.    and or  edit /etc/ssh/sshd.conf and have ssh listen on a port that the router has open and ssh username@ip:port#
[06:34] <stdin> draik: he'll have to do it on the router, there is normally a web interface to it, normally on http://<IP_ADDRESS> (or similar)
[06:35] <draik> stdin: I mean about going into his computer via some GUI so that I can see his desktop
[06:36] <stdin> draik: freenx is one way, or VNCoverSSH is another
[06:37] <draik> I have FreeNX, but I have issues with running the app
[06:37] <draik> VNCoverSSH didn't work for us
[06:37] <draik> we kept trying
[06:37] <stdin> he'll need a good upstream bandwidth to forward X over SSH
[06:38] <draik> I am also unable to scp from desktop to laptop and laptop to desktop here at home
[06:39] <intelikey> sshd running
[06:39] <stdin> on both ?
[06:41] <LameBMX> xcon, you still alive out there lol
[06:43] <draik> should be intelikey stdin
[06:43] <Rob-West> nixternal
[06:43] <stdin> draik: do you have a firewall on either the desktop or laptop?
[06:44] <draik> nope
[06:44] <stdin> draik: and both are linux?
[06:44] <draik> Both are Kubuntu
[06:44] <draik> Dapper on laptop
[06:44] <draik> Edgy on desktop
[06:45] <stdin> draik: if you run "ps ax|grep sshd" on both do you see something like "5070 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd" ?
[06:46] <draik> stdin: yes
[06:46] <xcon> lame: yea, plyin with fire
[06:46] <stdin> draik: and have you changed to config on either (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) ?
[06:47] <draik> stdin: nope
[06:47] <stdin> draik: do you get any error messages ?
[06:48] <draik> I think that I might have the scp done with incorrect parameters
[06:48] <xcon> lame: too many screen ses floatin around, had to back away...
[06:49] <stdin> draik: you use it like "scp filename user@host:port:/path/to/save/to/filename"
[06:49] <stdin> draik: as an example "scp myfile user@laptop:/home/user/myfile"
[06:50] <LameBMX> xcon, yea i understand ....
[06:50] <LameBMX> is vnc working xcon
[06:50] <xcon> lame: i get one second before vnc frezes
[06:51] <draik> hmmm
[06:51] <draik> stdin: that didn't work
[06:51] <stdin> draik: did you get any errors?
[06:51] <draik> no such file or directory
[06:51] <LameBMX> xcon, well what you want to know ... icons are still brok
[06:52] <xcon> lets see another round of "how to get gaim to work... " did you compile your own gtk and then gaim in /usr/local?
[06:52] <stdin> draik: that was just an example, you change it to your use the file you want to send
[06:52] <draik> I am on my desktop... so I typed           scp filename laptop@lap.top.ip.addy:/my/desktop/location
[06:53] <LameBMX> xcon, no i used --prefix=/usr
[06:54] <draik> GOT IT
[06:54] <draik> it's supposed to be my desktop's info, not my laptop's info
[06:54] <draik> so...
[06:54] <draik> it's supposed to be typed...
[06:54] <draik> scp filename desktop@desk.top.ip.addy:/my/desktop/location
[06:56] <stdin> draik: yeah, takes a bit of working out the right syntax at first
[06:56] <draik> Thank you stdin
[06:56] <draik> Thank you intelikey for your help as well
[06:56] <draik> Now I can go to sleep
[06:56] <draik> I was about to crash like windows
[06:57] <Jucato> good night draik! sorry I couldn't help...
[06:57] <stdin> night draik :)
[06:57] <draik> It's ok Jucato. You helped by not lying... you didn't try to bs me one route or another
[06:58] <draik> NIGHT EVERYONE... Time for some fresh eyes
[06:58] <Jucato> one router or another :)
[06:58] <intelikey> just a note but relative addressing works too.     scp filename desktop@desk.top.ip.addy:~/desktop/filename
[06:59] <intelikey> ~  and  $HOME   and ./
[07:00] <stdin> $HOME wont work if you have different usernames on the boxes, as bash will read the variable from the local box
[07:01] <stdin> hmm, looks like '~' wont either
[07:01] <intelikey> stdin \$HOME     :)
[07:02] <stdin> intelikey: that should work, I'm gonna try it and see :P
[07:02] <intelikey> i tried it but only locally
[07:03] <intelikey> both ~ and \~   work locally
[07:03] <stdin> intelikey: what dose 'echo ~' show tho?
[07:04] <intelikey> shows my home dir
[07:05] <stdin> intelikey: so user1 trying  'scp file user2@local:~/Desktop' will copy to /home/user1/Desktop
[07:05] <intelikey> no
[07:05] <intelikey> will copy to /home/user2/Desktop
[07:05] <intelikey> i just tried it...
[07:06] <stdin> intelikey: just tried, you're right :P
[07:06] <intelikey> both ~ and \~ work locally.   i don't know about over a network
[07:06] <stdin> intelikey: shouldn't matter
[07:06] <intelikey> agreed
[07:09] <ForgeAus> does Xnest work in kubuntu?
[07:10] <ForgeAus> I had it going in Zenwalk fine
[07:10] <ForgeAus> kubuntu says theres a server active on display 0
[07:10] <ForgeAus> I don't want to quit the one I'm in I just want to nest a new one
[07:10] <stdin> ForgeAus:  try "xnest -- :1" ?
[07:11] <ForgeAus> nope just gave me help info.. so I guess that was bad parameter?
[07:12] <intelikey> worked.
[07:12] <ForgeAus> ahhh without the -- it kinda works tho
[07:12] <ForgeAus> just doesn't load the *DM to log into it lol
[07:13] <stdin> ForgeAus: it won't. KDM can only be started once
[07:13] <stdin> intelikey: that will save me some typing from now on :P
[07:14] <intelikey> stdin yeah.
[07:14] <ForgeAus> hmmm well I doubt it was kdm Zenwalk used XFCE or something...
[07:15] <ForgeAus> but it did Xnest another loginscreen... KDM can't do that?
[07:16] <stdin> ForgeAus: don't think so, KDM can only be started once, and it's still running even when you login
[07:17] <ForgeAus> but you can't nest logins?
[07:17] <ForgeAus> ie be logged in as anothe user while your logged in?
[07:17] <bobleny> Hey, How do I copy and past in the terminal as root?
[07:17] <bobleny> Like, I need to copy a file from one place to another.
[07:18] <stdin> bobleny: cp file /place/to/copy/file
[07:18] <bobleny> Ok thank you
[07:26] <bobleny> Does the terminal have a problem with spaces or something in paths?
[07:27] <Jucato>  normally, you can't type file/directory names with spaces directly. you either enclose the whole name in " " or use \ before the spaces, or use Tab completion
[07:27] <bobleny> oh
[07:27] <Jucato> if the filename is "My File Name", you can either type is as "My File Name", My\ File\ Name, or just, type in My, then press Tab
[07:30] <K`zan> how to install a .deb ubuntu package file I downloaded ? apt-get install ./package.deb ?
[07:30] <bobleny> Thank you!
[07:30] <Jucato> K`zan: right-click on it -> Kubuntu Package Menu -> Install Package
[07:30] <Jucato> K`zan: or "sudo dpkg -i <filename.deb>"
[07:31] <K`zan> Jucato: Thanks, hadn't seen the package menu thing, looking.
[07:36] <stdin> ssh is fun :P
[07:37] <Rob-West> i know
[07:37] <hyper_ch> hi, what's the keystroke combination to log me out of the xsession?
[07:38] <stdin> hyper_ch: you mean kill the X server ?
[07:38] <stdin> or in KDE ?
[07:38] <hyper_ch> stdin: in kde.... it's not responding properly anymore
[07:38] <hyper_ch> how can I restart the xsession?
[07:38] <hyper_ch> stdin: or log me out totally from my system
[07:39] <hyper_ch> stdin: (not wanting to reboot)
[07:39] <hyper_ch> stdin: I have a terminal open
[07:39] <stdin> Alt-Ctrl-Delete, or Alt-Ctrl-Shift-Delete, or if all else fails Ctrl-Alt--Backspace
[07:39] <hyper_ch> stdin: thx
[07:43] <intelikey> brb
[07:47] <hyper_ch> stdin: ctrl-alt-backspace worked perfectly
[07:48] <stdin> the first 2 are KDE specific, ctrl-alt-backspace just kills the X server :)
[07:50] <hyper_ch> stdin: thx for the info :)
[07:51] <stdin> no problem :)
[07:51] <intelikey> ctrl+alt+del is not kde specific   x can catch that too  and use it for reboot.    it's not default in *buntu tho
[07:51] <intelikey> and in console it's reboot
[07:52] <intelikey> by default
[07:53] <stdin> he didn't want to reboot tho
[07:53] <intelikey> stdin the list of information you gathered looks for all the world like you might intend to try to hack this box at some later date ....
[07:53] <intelikey> :)
[07:53] <Jucato> stdin: please do so :)
[07:54] <stdin> intelikey: just keep that firewall up :P
[07:54] <intelikey> yeah fire wall   :)
[07:54] <intelikey> you know iptables wasn't running.
[07:54] <intelikey> err had no rules set
[07:55] <stdin> yeah, it's always running
[07:55] <hyper_ch> oh, new xserver-xorg-core... I guess I have to kill xserver again in a minute
[07:55] <stdin> just needs rules :P
[07:56] <stdin> just restrict what address sshd listens on
[07:57] <intelikey> stdin it doesn't run by default.   i start sshd manually
[07:57] <intelikey> and i guess i'm throught with it for now.
[07:58] <stdin> that's the way I run it to, I always have to start it if I know I'm going to use it
[07:59] <intelikey> but i don't see an easy way for the avarage script kiddy to crack a box with nosuid and no root login.     i'm not saying it can't be done but i don't see how...
[07:59] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: weak passwords
[08:00] <intelikey> Linux_Galore no password
[08:00] <unix_infidel> lol
[08:00] <makuseru> where is the sources.list?
[08:00] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: I noticed ubuntu doesnt lock the machine on distionary hacks
[08:00] <unix_infidel> you can do that manually.
[08:00] <stdin> makuseru: /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:01] <intelikey> Linux_Galore you do understand what "nosuid" means don't you ?
[08:01] <makuseru> thats what i thought i typed in
[08:01] <Linux_Galore> yeah but ubuntu should have it set that if the user tries more than 20 times in a session to login it locks the account for 30 min
[08:02] <Linux_Galore> yes
[08:02] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: yes
[08:02] <intelikey> but they can try for ever on a locked account  and root is locked.
[08:02] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: there are a few kernel patches to lock root
[08:03] <unix_infidel> ugh, i dont the he gets it :)
[08:03] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: ie you can have a root account but its really seriously monitored
[08:03] <Linux_Galore> yeah, no root acount blah blah
[08:03] <intelikey> ...
[08:03] <Linux_Galore> but its not any good to remote admin
[08:04] <intelikey> correct remote admin is impossable on this thing.
[08:04] <intelikey> can't be done.
[08:04] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: I prefere and IDS patch on the kernel
[08:05] <intelikey> :)
[08:05] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: its not new, but if the machine is critical its not a good idea
[08:07] <intelikey> oh yeah that too.   the fact that there is nothing on the box that i would hide from the world at large   helps too.
[08:07] <intelikey> :)
[08:07] <intelikey> there isn't even anything on this box i'd want to hide from M$  lol
[08:10] <Linux_Galore>  w
[08:10] <Linux_Galore>    w
[08:10] <Linux_Galore>      w
[08:11] <Linux_Galore>                    w
[08:11] <Linux_Galore>                          BOOM
[08:11] <Jucato> heh
[08:12] <Jucato> btw Linux_Galore, you could also tell the guys in #konversation that in irssi, netsplit parts and joins are handled by batches, not 1 line per nick
[08:12] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: why tell me, Ive already had a rant
[08:13] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: even left a message on the forum
[08:13] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: since you're interested about it, thought you might want that bit of info
[08:13] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: yeah, they are working on changing konversation
[08:13] <Jucato> ok, nvm. next time, I just won't say anything
[08:13] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: thats on the list
[08:14] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: yeah, but Im not a dev on that one so I cant do much
[08:14] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: apparently right now the way konversation is setup it cant filter the netsplit stuff
[08:16] <intelikey> hmmm when Jucato shuts up   he really shuts up....
[08:17] <intelikey> :)
[08:20] <radiant> .
[08:20] <intelikey> interesting bash -li doesn't add anything to   w  or  who
[08:20] <stdin> intelikey: I found out that too
[08:20] <xenophile7x7> its about damned time...
[08:20] <intelikey> :)
[08:21] <intelikey> stdin yeah i was still tracking all you did
[08:21] <intelikey> stdin like i said it gave me a chance to brush up.
[08:21] <stdin> I also niticed your nice perm for /
[08:21] <stdin> :)
[08:21] <intelikey> ty
[08:21] <intelikey> :)
[08:22] <intelikey> yeah i saw where you checked a lot of perms
[08:22] <intelikey> ;/
[08:22] <stdin> hehe :)
[08:22] <intelikey> and saved the /etc/shadow file
[08:22] <intelikey> >:]
[08:23] <stdin> I looked at the perms for /etc/shaddow, didn't save it, can't anyway
[08:23] <stdin> looked at /etc/passwd tho :)
[08:24] <intelikey> you did cat /etc/shadow   don't tell me you can copy and paste that data  then use john on it...
[08:24] <intelikey> i was born at night but not last night.
[08:24] <stdin> intelikey: try "cat /etc/shadow" as non root, it shouldn't let you
[08:25] <matthew> hey how do i access and control my cpu fan? something similar to speedfan on windows?
[08:25] <intelikey> stdin it does.
[08:26] <stdin> intelikey: well lucky for you. that outta my konsole history now :P
[08:26] <intelikey> stdin i may have the perms messed on my box...   does it work on yours ?
[08:26] <stdin> intelikey: I get "cat: /etc/shadow: Permission denied"
[08:27] <intelikey> stdin yeah and Console-Log-Daemon
[08:27] <intelikey> k i'll adjust mine
[08:27] <stdin> intelikey: I wasn't smart enough to log it :P
[08:27] <intelikey> lol
[08:28] <intelikey> doesn't matter there's no login unless i set a passwd for that purpose.  all accounts are locked.
[08:28] <stdin> on my system /etc/shaddow is 540 root:shaddow
[08:28] <stdin> opps, 640 :P
[08:29] <intelikey> yeah i fixed mine.   and actually 640
[08:29] <stdin> i noticed my little typo there
[08:29] <kraut> moin
[08:29] <intelikey> it wasn't the perm it was the group    was set to users
[08:30] <stdin> ahh, not good :P
[08:30] <intelikey> i know
[08:32] <stdin> intelikey: noticed I used a command like "find . -type f -perm /o=w" ?
[08:32] <intelikey> yeah
[08:32] <stdin> lets me find any file that is writable to everyone (others)
[08:32] <intelikey> but wasn't sure why
[08:33] <stdin> world writable
[08:33] <stdin> *writeable
[08:33] <intelikey> yes but in the users home dir  ?
[08:33] <stdin> intelikey: i ran it from /etc :P
[08:34] <intelikey> oh yeah you did cd eariler   heh
[08:36] <intelikey> i also noticed you grabbed the ip info   even though you had the ip... and i figured you were looking for local networking
[08:37] <stdin> I was just curious, see if you had a LAN
[08:38] <intelikey> hey i offered for you to "look around"   and expected no less
[08:39] <intelikey> did you ever find the master user name ?
[08:39] <stdin> if it was in /etc/passwd, then yes I did
[08:40] <intelikey> i noticed you looked in every thing in /home   but you didn't look in my home dir
[08:40] <intelikey> so i guess you didn't notice.
[08:40] <intelikey> :)
[08:40] <stdin>  /home had only 3 dirs in it, that I could see
[08:40] <intelikey> yep
[08:40] <intelikey> but my home is not in /home
[08:41] <stdin> I looked in /etc/passwd after looking in /home , so I'm sure I saw it
[08:42] <intelikey> yeah
[08:42] <stdin> but I wasn't being malicious, so didn't dig to deep :)
[08:42] <stdin> I always set my $HOME to 700, when there is a users group
[08:43] <stdin> 750 if using private groups
[08:43] <intelikey> tty2 [greg@~]  ls -dl ..
[08:43] <intelikey> dr-xr-x--x 14 greg root 4096 Jan  8 11:20 ..
[08:44] <intelikey> world executable but not readable
[08:44] <stdin> ls -ld .
[08:44] <stdin> drwx------ 71 myuser myuser 4096 2007-01-12 07:31
[08:44] <intelikey> now i can have subdirs that are world readable that they can access and not see what's in ~
[08:46] <stdin> I don't need users to go in my ~ anyway, I have a /share dir
[08:47] <intelikey> yeah.  my share dir is in my home so it works.  it's all good.
[08:47] <stdin> heh, look at those perms: drwxrwsrwt 4 root users 4096 2006-12-29 17:58 /share
[08:48] <intelikey> yeah
[08:57] <intelikey> sabalistics*.tar.gz
[08:57] <tn-> hello
[08:58] <stdin> hi
[08:58] <tn-> I was wondering if someone among you had encountered problems with the hda-intel sound driver ?
[08:59] <stdin> guess not
[08:59] <tn-> I found a web page aoubt this driver, but nothing could help
[08:59] <stdin> what sound card/chip is it?
[09:00] <tn-> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
[09:00] <tn->         Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Unknown device 2808
[09:00] <tn-> thomas@dev07:~$ LC_ALL="C" aplay -l
[09:00] <tn-> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
[09:00] <tn-> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel] , device 0: ALC260 Analog [ALC260 Analog]
[09:00] <tn->   Subdevices: 0/1
[09:00] <tn->   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[09:01] <tn-> the driver seem to recognize the chip correctly
[09:01] <tn-> but I get no sound
[09:01] <stdin> hmm
[09:01] <stdin> !sound
[09:01] <tn-> The 1st times I booted the machine I could have some sound
[09:01] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[09:02] <tn-> but little by little the volume got lower and lower
[09:02] <tn-> and now I have nothing
[09:02] <stdin> how old is it?
[09:03] <tn-> brand new !
[09:03] <tn-> I got it last friday
[09:03] <tn-> it's an HP with a core 2 duo
[09:03] <tn-> (not a laptop)
[09:03] <stdin> maybe a silly question, but have you made sure sound isn't muted ?
[09:04] <tn-> yes :)
[09:05] <stdin> have you checked with "alsamixer" too ?
[09:05] <tn-> yes...
[09:05] <stdin> (in konsole)
[09:06] <tn-> I tried also tu use alsactl but no success
[09:07] <chuen> stdn: Hi - are you still at work?
[09:07] <stdin> chuen: no, got home about 3am :P
[09:08] <chuen> Slacking off eh? ;-)
[09:08] <stdin> tn-: can you play sounds with aplay ? (you need a .wav file)
[09:08] <tn-> I tried, but no
[09:08] <tn-> aplay seems to be playing, but there is still no sound
[09:08] <intelikey> aplay ?    is that default install ?
[09:08] <chuen> The upgrade seems OK . I've got one 'funny' story about my printer though and one question about the soumixr.
[09:08] <chuen> soundmixer.
[09:08] <stdin> intelikey: yeah, it's from alsa
[09:09] <intelikey> i've never seen it
[09:09] <tn-> I alse tried to disable artsd in case it was locking the mixer and /dev/audio without success
[09:09] <intelikey> in alsa-utils  i guess
[09:10] <chuen> stdin: I've set up a User for my son, but when he logs in, the soundmixer doesn't function.
[09:10] <chuen> stdin: Is that because it is not set up p 'universally' across users.
[09:11] <stdin> chuen, and to tn- too I guess: are your users in the "audio" group?
[09:12] <tn-> yes I am :)
[09:14] <jordo23> Today is my birthday!
[09:14] <jordo23> Go jordo....it's your birthday...
[09:15] <tn-> stdin: what's interesting is that sound used to work, but volume got lower and lower with each reboot
[09:15] <stdin> hmm
[09:16] <chuen> stdin: Sorry, was  was reading email. 'Audio Group'?
[09:17] <StingRay> Hi, stdin :)