[23:45] <Mobidoy> Humm, is there a channel for bug team ?
[23:46] <Mobidoy> bugsqad that is
[23:47] <Mobidoy> ahh got it, Ubuntu-Bugs :-)
[23:59] <cyphermox_> yup


[01:40] <MythbuntuGuest90> I cannot get my irblaster to work.  I have 2 PVR 250's (one with remote) and a serial ir blaster from irblaster.info
[01:40] <MythbuntuGuest90> The PVR250 "haupauge tv card" remote works fine, but when I select an irblaster neither one works
[01:40] <MythbuntuGuest90> I tried the instructions in the install pdf, but same result
[01:51] <bicchi> I am tyring to install mythbuntu and when i click the install icon it opens the editor to edit the install icon.
[01:51] <bicchi> i tried running "ubuquity mythbuntu-ui" from the command line and also get an error.
[02:19] <superm1> bicchi, from a like disk?
[02:20] <superm1> the command mythbuntu's UI overrides GTK if you have ubiquity-frontend-mythbuntu
[02:32] <MythbuntuGuest90> Trying everything to get my serial irblaster to work.
[02:33] <MythbuntuGuest90> Anyone familiar with serial irblaster from irblaster.info?  (using a PVR250 remote also, got that working)
[02:33] <MythbuntuGuest90> getting device doesn't support sending on irsend command
[02:42] <superm1> so you just need to run the command "ubiquity"
[02:42] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest90, start out with a digital camera
[02:42] <superm1> see if you are seeing anything sent with it
[02:54] <MythbuntuGuest90> Will it still send codes even with "hardware doesn't support sending? "
[02:59] <superm1> no
[02:59] <superm1> that means you need to add an argument likely
[02:59] <superm1> for the device and explicitly say /dev/lirc0
[02:59] <superm1> or similar
[03:02] <MythbuntuGuest90> where would I put that?
[03:03] <MythbuntuGuest90> according to the forums it should be /dev/lircd or /dev/lircd1
[03:04] <superm1> i dont know off hand, you might be better making a forum post tbh
[05:10] <bicchi> i am setting up mythbuntu for the first time and when I get the part of configuring the backend I get a black screen and nothing else happens.
[05:10] <bicchi> This is after I run the mythfilldatabase.
[05:13] <bicchi> In other words, I do not see the "MythTV Backend Setup" and all I get is a black screen that I have to press Esc to go back to the Desktop
[05:13] <bicchi> no letters, and nothing else gets displayed. just a black screen.
[05:42] <superm1> bicchi, radeon?
[05:42] <superm1> there is an open bug if so
[05:42] <superm1> bug 341898
[05:42] <superm1> bicchi, ^
[05:42] <Zinn> Bug 341898 in mythtv "MythTV Frontend does not work with RADEON DRI" [Unknown, Invalid] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/341898
[05:42] <bicchi> superm1: yes radeon
[05:43] <superm1> bicchi, follow the workaround near the bottom in the comments then
[05:43] <superm1> with the env variable
[05:43] <superm1> or disable dri
[05:49] <bicchi> superm1: so the solution is to do enter this on a terminal: XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS="1" mythfrontend
[05:49] <bicchi> but my problem is with the backend.
[05:53] <superm1> bicchi, for mythtv-setup, do the same thing
[05:53] <superm1> XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS="1" mythtv-setup
[05:53] <superm1> or disable DRI
[05:57] <bicchi> doing the XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS="1" mythtv-setup
[05:57] <bicchi> i get input/output error message
[05:57] <bicchi> perhaps disabling DRI but do not know how to do that.
[09:13] <rieslingranger> moin moin, wird hier deutsch gesprochen?
[12:26] <marko_d> hi
[12:26] <marko_d> i have tried to install mythbuntu 9.04 on a pc with an ati card
[12:27] <marko_d> and when using using the open source drivers i got blank UI on the mythbackend setup app
[12:28] <marko_d> i.e. i got an blank rectangle at first, and than what it seemed like a list of devices
[12:28] <marko_d> also blank
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[14:48] <Bicchi> I have a an ATI Radeon and I am getting hit by this bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+bug/341898
[14:48] <Bicchi> I tried doing the "XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS="1" mythtv-setup" and still have the black box during seting up the backend.
[14:49] <Bicchi> i even tried putting the "Option Dri off" to my xorg and still no go.
[16:00] <MythbuntuGuest91> Hi all, does any one of a PPA with a recent working version of Myth Vodka in it
[16:03] <danielk22> Has anyone gotten USB-UIRT to work with jaunty yet? I've gotten transmit to work by commenting out the repeat count and manually sending repeats in the channel change script, but I haven't gotten rx to work.. if you cat ttyUSB0 or use mode2 you get output, but lircd doesn't seem to decode it and irrecord throws errors with usb_uirt_raw and usb_uirt2, and learns wacky codes with uirt2 (which doen't work with lircd either).
[16:04] <danielk22> The problems with the driver reported here (http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/USB-UIRT) seem to have been fixed, so I'm scratching my head.
[16:05] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest91, no
[16:07] <MythbuntuGuest91> is it just not stable enought at the momment then ?
[16:08] <tgm4883> It's...replaced.   Although I don't have a PPA with Mythfeed in it yet either
[16:09] <tgm4883> IIRC, the devs of mythvodka decided to do all work on MythTV .22
[16:09] <tgm4883> and I don't run .22, so I stopped hosting it
[16:11] <MythbuntuGuest91> ah right. So basicly I will have to wait untill .22 or run trunk.
[16:12] <tgm4883> well it looks to me as dev on mythvodka has stopped
[16:12] <tgm4883> back in Feb
[16:12] <tgm4883> either it was renamed to Mythfeed, or it was forked and mythfeed is the result of that
[16:13] <tgm4883> either way I think mythvodka is done
[16:13] <MythbuntuGuest91> it certianlly seems to have every one talking about it, probably because of the name!
[16:14] <MythbuntuGuest91> although Hulu & iPlayer integration would be good.
[16:14] <MythbuntuGuest91> thanks for the info.
[16:14] <tgm4883> well, like I said Mythfeed (previously mythvodka (previously mythstreams)) has hulu support
[16:14] <tgm4883> I just need to get it packaged
[16:15] <tgm4883> i'm not sure about iplayer support though, I'm in the US so it doesn't really affect me
[16:16] <MythbuntuGuest91> unless you have some where to bounce the traffic off. I am the UK so its kind of the oposite sitution for me.
[16:17] <tgm4883> yep
[16:17] <tgm4883> are you following the mythvodka thread on the forums?
[16:17] <tgm4883> IIRC, they are talking about the iplayer support right now
[16:18] <tgm4883> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1006069&page=33
[16:19] <MythbuntuGuest91> thanks
[16:20] <tgm4883> np
[17:46] <JEDIDIAH__> how do you deal with an alternate prefix in mythfeed?
[17:56] <JEDIDIAH__> np
[18:20] <MythbuntuGuest22> anyone ever had a problem with their HDTV displaying a blank screen as soon as X starts?
[18:20] <danielk22> Does anyone know how do you restart jaunty to use a new kernel? "shutdown now -r" will reboot to the same kernel.. (I grant that is quicker, but I'd like to try some kernel upgrades..) My workaround now is to "shutdown now -P" then call someone located physically near the machine and having them press the power button, not ideal...
[18:23] <danielk22> nevermind, I think I found the bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kexec-tools/+bug/251242
[18:24] <danielk22> sorry, false unalarm.. I don't have kexec-tools installed...
[18:30] <danielk22> bah! correct myself again, 251242 is the bug I ran into. It appears kexec-tools is only on some of my jaunty machines, but not the mythbuntu CD installed ones... it's only on some machines that I upgraded to jaunty.
[20:08] <JEDIDIAH__> does anyone use mythfeed with trunk?
[20:29] <mattwj2002> hi everyone
[20:29] <mattwj2002> right now I am converting my ubuntu 9.04 64-bit setup to mythbuntu
[20:29] <mattwj2002> :D
[20:30] <mattwj2002> ssssslllllllooooowwwww download though
[20:43] <danielk22> mattwj2002: the key is to find a fast mirror nearby.. if you use the ubuntu default mirror finding it doesn't send you to the fastest mirror, just one in your country.
[20:49] <mattwj2002> it is okay
[20:49] <mattwj2002> :)
[21:12] <mattwj2002> how long does it usually take for the mirrors to cool off?
[22:11] <foxbuntu> mattwj2002, just depends, the first few days after a release are the worst, it tapers off pretty quickly after that
[22:12] <mattwj2002> nice :)
[22:49] <gumpert345> does something like the aeonproject exist for mythtv?
[22:50] <danielk22> gumpert345: no
[22:51] <gumpert345> thats sad
[22:51] <gumpert345> thx for the info though


[09:09] <jbailey> doko: Around?
[09:31] <doko> jbailey: yes
[09:32] <jbailey> doko: Heya!  Is there any sort of regression checker in the gcc testsuite?
[09:33] <doko> no, there was one running upstream for checkins; usually I inspect the logs manually. elmo wrote something for binutils, which now runs in the build as well (comparing against the installed version).
[09:33] <jbailey> Hmm.
[09:33] <jbailey> I was thinking that the simplest one would be no FAILs
[09:33] <jbailey> And just mark everything that currently FAILs as XFAIL and move on.
[09:34] <jbailey> IIRC, dejagnu can give a different return code for that.
[09:34] <doko> It's difficult to automatically tell about regressions, new failing testcases show up as false positives
[09:38] <jbailey> Sure, I'm just thinking at the release point for gcc-4.1 and such.
[09:38] <jbailey> I don't think new test cases are usually added to the stable branch.
[09:41] <doko> they are.
[09:41] <jbailey> Ah, hmm.
[09:42] <jbailey> That could suck.
[09:43] <jbailey> In this case, the hppa patch is totally localised to the machine descriptor, but in general, I'm happier if I know that I'm not going to break something elsewhere.
[09:43] <doko> you would have to save the .log files instead of the .sum files for all tests, then you can detect added testcases as well
[09:46] <jbailey> Well.  I think I was hoping more that sometime in stage 3, we just submit a list of current fails, mark them as XFAIL and move on. =)


[00:00] <cyberanger> Meeting in 30 minutes
[00:01] <Juzzy> I should timestamp chat
[00:01] <Juzzy> Agenda?
[00:01] <Unit193> [20:00:01] < cyberanger> Meeting in 30 minutes
[00:01] <Unit193> VERY on time!
[00:01] <Juzzy> so 8:30 EDT
[00:01] <Unit193> Yep!
[00:01] <Juzzy> oh lol
[00:01] <Juzzy> @ topic
[00:01] <Unit193> I wasn't going to say that part...
[00:15] <cyberanger> Meeting in 15 minutes
[00:15] <Unit193> Script or do you sit there camping for the second? (I'm guessing script...)
[00:20] <cyberanger> Meeting in 10 minutes
[00:25] <cyberanger> Meeting in 5 minutes
[00:26] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: you chairing this one?
[00:28] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: ping
[00:30] <cyberanger> Meeting Time
[00:30] <cyberanger> #startmeeting
[00:30] <MootBot> Meeting started at 19:30. The chair is cyberanger.
[00:30] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[00:30] <pace_t_zulu> o/
[00:36] <pace_t_zulu> hello?
[00:36] <nathandyer> Hello :)
[00:36] <pace_t_zulu> hi nathandyer
[00:37] <nathandyer> This is my first meeting, is this unusual?
[00:37] <pace_t_zulu> nathandyer: a bit
[00:37] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: ping
[00:42] <cyberanger> hey pace_t_zulu
[00:43] <netritious> hey cyberanger, pace_t_zulu
[00:43] <cyberanger> yeah, sorry, modem lockup (torrent bug, won't happen twice)
[00:43] <pace_t_zulu> Shall we do this?
[00:43] <netritious> I'm in and out atm
[00:43] <cyberanger> right after  I started mootbot, real bad timing
[00:44] <pace_t_zulu> I have limited typing ability
[00:44] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: of course, if everyone is reade (sounds like it)
[00:44] <cyberanger> ready*
[00:44] <netritious> tried to catch the meeting on time but didn't work out for me either (unpacking)
[00:44] <pace_t_zulu> Ready
[00:44] <nathandyer> Ready
[00:44] <cyberanger> I've only got one item, and it can wait
[00:45] <cyberanger> any other item for this meeting?
[00:45] <netritious> I'm here for a min or so
[00:45] <cyberanger> netritious: anything for the meeting?
[00:46] <netritious> no sure don't cyberanger
[00:46] <pace_t_zulu> I have no agenda items
[00:46] <cyberanger> ok, guess my two are are it
[00:46] <cyberanger> item one, elections next month
[00:47] <cyberanger> [topic] Elections next month
[00:47] <MootBot> New Topic:  Elections next month
[00:47] <cyberanger> at our meeting, aug 4th
[00:48] <cyberanger> item two, I've got busy two months, and am focusing on a project to start a state lug
[00:49] <cyberanger> and resigning my trustee position this month, and will run for east tn leadership next month
[00:49] <cyberanger> I'm appointing pace_t_zulu the trustee pending next months election
[00:49] <cyberanger> unless anyone here objects
[00:49] <pace_t_zulu> None here
[00:50] <nathandyer> Sounds good to me
[00:50] <cyberanger> [vote] appoint pace_t_zulu Trustee Pro Tempre
[00:50] <MootBot> Please vote on:  appoint pace_t_zulu Trustee Pro Tempre.
[00:50] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[00:50] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-us-tn
[00:50]  * cyberanger hopes he spelled that right
[00:50] <cyberanger> +1
[00:50] <MootBot> +1 received from cyberanger. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[00:50] <pace_t_zulu> +0
[00:50] <MootBot> Abstention received from pace_t_zulu. 1 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1
[00:51] <nathandyer> +1
[00:51] <MootBot> +1 received from nathandyer. 2 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2
[00:51] <pace_t_zulu> Interim trustee works too
[00:51] <cyberanger> lol, yeah, that it would have
[00:51] <cyberanger> netritious: ?
[00:51] <cyberanger> wrst: ?
[00:51] <cyberanger> any body else
[00:52] <netritious> sounds good +1
[00:52] <cyberanger> netritious: ccan MootBot heear that (it's in vote)
[00:52] <MootBot> Private +1 vote received. 3 for, 0 against, 1 have abstained. Count is now 3
[00:52] <netritious> was getting there lol
[00:53] <cyberanger> and one private, last call for votes, I'll wait one minute & if there isn't close votes
[00:54] <cyberanger> ok
[00:54] <cyberanger> [endvote]
[00:54] <MootBot> Final result is 3 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 3
[00:55] <cyberanger> our yearly terms end next meeting, with elections for new leadership
[00:56] <cyberanger> I've already begun transitioning trustee duties to pace_t_zulu, for this month
[00:56] <cyberanger> he's just finishingg my term for this month, unless he runs for trustee next month
[00:57] <cyberanger> that's all I have, any new items?
[00:58] <pace_t_zulu> I have nothing to add.
[00:58]  * wrst checks in for a bit
[00:58] <nathandyer> Neither have I
[00:59] <cyberanger> congrats Trustee Pro Tempre, pace_t_zulu
[00:59] <netritious> congrats pace_t_zulu :)
[00:59] <cyberanger> and see everyone next month
[00:59] <cyberanger> #endmonth
[00:59] <nathandyer> congrats pace_t_zulu!
[00:59] <cyberanger> lol
[00:59] <cyberanger> #endmeeting
[00:59] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 19:59.
[00:59] <cyberanger> I wish I could end a month that easily
[00:59] <wrst> woot pace_t_zulu|ec2
[00:59] <Unit193> Congrats pace_t_zulu! At what point do you find who is running?
[01:00] <wrst> cyberanger: me too
[01:00] <pace_t_zulu> Thanks guys
[01:00] <nathandyer> I've gotta split. Fun first meeting!
[01:01] <cyberanger> Unit193: mailing list or during the meeting
[01:01] <cyberanger> it's pretty open forum
[01:02] <Unit193> Thanks! I was just wondering...
[01:02] <cyberanger> in tennessee to lead, in tennessee to vote, not much else required ;-)
[01:02] <pace_t_zulu> Gotta run y'all
[01:02] <cyberanger> and too tight knit a group to have any issues usually ;-)
[01:02] <cyberanger> see you pace_t_zulu
[01:02] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: see pm
[01:02] <cyberanger> at your leasure
[01:03] <Unit193> pace_t_zulu: Adios! cyberanger: :D
[01:03] <wrst> cyberanger: not a lot of politics even in the politics
[01:03] <cyberanger> Unit193: see you later
[01:03] <Unit193> And good luck with the lug!
[01:04] <Unit193> cyberanger: Not me, I was saying adios to pace
[01:04] <cyberanger> Unit193: thanks (I'll still be here, just as a leader gotta insure I can do it, if I can't insure that, insure someone else can)
[01:04] <cyberanger> oh, I was highlighted for the big smile
[01:05] <cyberanger> wrst: yeah, we keep it simple, have opinions, and hate everyone for it
[01:05] <cyberanger> but keep it out of politics, keep it civil
[01:05] <wrst> yep good stuff
[01:06] <cyberanger> I'd elect any policitan that could do that (and let my budget look like Washington DC's)
[01:09] <cyberanger> even funnier, most of our opinions agree
[01:09] <cyberanger> including ones hating unity
[01:11] <cyberanger> wrst: that's why some of us here (myself and I'll let others name themselves) are creating a statewide lug
[01:12] <cyberanger> not to conflict with any other lug or this loco
[01:12] <cyberanger> but allow small towns without a lug have a place to goto
[01:13] <cyberanger> and allow differing ideas (esp if ubuntu council someday cared about my debian talk here, or somebody else assisting in arch, so on)
[01:14] <Unit193> I know people in main -offtopic or even support channels that talk about debian a little
[01:15] <cyberanger> #ubuntu-offtopic?
[01:15] <cyberanger> or some other offtopic
[01:15] <cyberanger> (cause #ubuntu even sounds off topic to me ;-))
[01:16] <cyberanger> Unit193: ^^
[01:16] <Unit193> Xubuntu and Lubuntu, I don't ever go to ubuntu*
[01:16] <wrst> cyberanger: I think its a good idea
[01:17] <wrst> #ubuntu is a mad house
[01:17] <Unit193> Mostly because I don't use "Ubuntu". Going to have a lug channel? (Not going to troll it...)
[01:17] <cyberanger> Unit193: I avoid it like the plauge, but some things are unavoidable
[01:18] <cyberanger> Unit193: yes, but I'll have to get back to you on that (I didn't set that part up)
[01:18] <Unit193> cyberanger: Na, I was just asking
[01:19] <cyberanger> and your welcome to join (as am I, I just dunno what channel to join)
[01:20] <cyberanger> some other lugs have members from 10, 20 years ago, that moved out, joined the air force, I'd only ask there be an intrest in linux, unix, etc.
[01:20] <cyberanger> and the state is more a focus area, not a limiter
[01:21] <cyberanger> Unit193: we setup a few channels, I think we decided on one, with the plan to follow is to forward the others to it
[01:21] <cyberanger> that's why idk which is the channel that we planned for
[01:23] <cyberanger> Unit193: #tn-lug is the one I know of, if you (or anyone else) want's to join that
[01:23] <Unit193> I'm not an exclusive Liunx user, but I sure as heck use it! (Sadly, the best computer for VBox is windows >_> )
[01:24] <Unit193> cyberanger: I don't think there are any active lugs close to me
[01:24] <cyberanger> I'm into FreeBSD, pfsense, m0n0wall, debian, ubuntu
[01:24] <cyberanger> avoid windows, been years I've chosen to use it
[01:25] <cyberanger> sometimes the choice isn't your own though
[01:25] <cyberanger> Unit193: well, idk your actual town, I might have a better idea where it'd be otherwise
[01:25] <Unit193> I've never use a *BSD, but I kinda want to try one and OpenIndiana while I'm at it
[01:26] <cyberanger> I followed that regions lugs, anything about 150 miles from Erie, PA
[01:26] <cyberanger> a town that didn't have a lug when I left, and appears to have died since
[01:27] <cyberanger> OpenIndiana?
[01:27] <Unit193> Solaris
[01:28] <wrst> Unit193: i tried out pcbsd here a few weeks ago... not for me but for server security i suspect it would be great
[01:28] <cyberanger> (mainy FreeBSD was for work, but I used it for a small while myself, as a server, esp when learning pfsense)
[01:28] <cyberanger> Unit193: ah
[01:28] <cyberanger> wrst: yeah, it's a different beast
[01:28] <cyberanger> servers mainly
[01:29] <cyberanger> and routers (pfsense and m0n0wall are FreeBSD or NetBSD derived)
[01:29] <cyberanger> oh, I left out CentOS
[01:29] <wrst> yeah cyberanger i tried pc-bsd meant of course to be a desktop version it was ok, but kde based and a really awkward implementation of kde
[01:30] <cyberanger> on my list
[01:30] <wrst> centOS :\
[01:30] <cyberanger> wrst: yeah, but cpanel is a limiting factor
[01:30] <Unit193> cyberanger: If you want to know what location and LUG I'm talking about, PM?
[01:30] <cyberanger> leaving it FreeBSD or centos pretty much
[01:32] <cyberanger> I think they support Red Hat, but that's costly for it's worth
[01:38] <wrst> cyberanger: I do like the state lug idea could have a little wider topic area
[01:39] <cyberanger> chugalug is more of a work focus (to a point)
[01:39] <cyberanger> and a little outside my area
[01:39] <cyberanger> too far, too little notice (usually)
[01:39] <cyberanger> servers, programmers
[01:40] <cyberanger> klug seems to die often enough (my guess, too tied to utk for anything in summer)
[01:40] <cyberanger> nlug is great, cookelug seems an in-person group
[01:40] <cyberanger> haven't heard golum recently
[01:41] <cyberanger> wnclug (ashevliie nc area) is a great desktop focus
[01:41] <cyberanger> I'm a routing and networking person, found some in the area where dial up is it, I support it more than any lug I know of
[01:41] <cyberanger> varity is nice
[01:43] <cyberanger> see everybody shortly, leaving the hotspot, heading home
[01:43] <cyberanger> some stops on the way, 45 minuts I guess
[01:48] <wrst> later cyberanger
[02:35] <wrst> wb pace_t_zulu
[02:35] <pace_t_zulu> hey wrst
[02:35] <pace_t_zulu> had to improvise for a bit
[02:36] <wrst> well sometimes thats fun
[02:38] <Unit193> I've had to SSH into router > Computer 1 > Computer 2 to get to my screen
[02:38] <wrst> Unit193: tell me more of tomato, if you have the time?
[02:39] <Unit193> wrst: I'm  not the best at this, but sure! I can tell you the b/w usage back to September if you wish (Upload, download, both)
[02:41] <Unit193> I have options for Realtime, Last 24 Hours, Daily, Weekly, Monthly. Keyfile ssh access, good QOS (that I don't use)
[02:41] <Unit193> Great Access Restrictions with iptables as a backend
[02:42] <wrst> hmm Unit193 I think I'm sold :)
[02:42] <Unit193> wrst: Haha! Nice! Any questions that you may be looking for?
[02:43] <wrst> no just curious why you liked and I think cyberanger uses it also?
[02:44] <Unit193> Tomato-USB has VPN and USB support too
[02:46] <wrst> I might give that a try looking at some screen shots pretty impressive stuff
[02:47] <Unit193> Screenshots from? http://www.polarcloud.com/tomato
[02:47] <wrst> yes
[02:48] <Unit193> I'll be back in a few (Shower in case you REALLY wanted to know ;) )
[02:48] <wrst> Unit193: i just put one of these in for my aunt today http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833162034&cm_re=dd-wrt-_-33-162-034-_-Product
[02:49] <wrst> and Unit193 I'm perfectly ok with lack of detail, I'm out for the night probaby see you later
[03:33] <Juzzy> oo
[03:33] <Juzzy> mtg still going on?
[03:34] <Juzzy> Where is minutes?
[03:40] <cyberanger> wrst: not used it in awhile, built my own
[03:40] <cyberanger> out of debian (was ubuntu)
[03:41] <cyberanger> and I used pfsense since then too (but prefer my own, more support for my needs)
[03:42] <Unit193> cyberanger: Built your own? Works on normal routers too?
[03:42] <cyberanger> wrst: you use something similar, dd-wrt right?
[03:42] <cyberanger> Unit193: no, not yet, desktop or server (or laptops)
[03:44] <cyberanger> two nic's are needed. my case I have 4 I think, one lan ethernet card, one celluar card, one 56k modem ( for a bad day) and one wan ethernet card
[03:44] <cyberanger> perhaps I miscounted, cause I think I'm forgetting one
[03:44] <Unit193> Seen untangle? (Linux distro, kinda)
[03:44] <cyberanger> yeah, prefer pfsense to it though
[03:45] <netritious> Unit193: untangle is such a resource hog
[03:45] <cyberanger> and celluar and dial up support seem lacking in any modern router distro too
[03:45] <Unit193> netritious: I've never used it, just a glance
[03:45] <cyberanger> (granted dial up isn't modern, but what I need to support it, is the same thing I need to support modern celluar cards)
[03:45] <netritious> cyberanger: pfsense, at least when you start adding packages, doesn't seem so stable to me...to many things break
[03:46] <cyberanger> netritious: I didn't see that, but it was awhile ago, things changed I suppose
[03:48] <netritious> cyberanger: I ran the 2.0-RC1 for about three maybe four months on the watchguard, updated one day from pfsense and would never boot
[03:49] <netritious> since the watchguard doesn't have a monitor and I could never get the console working properly I have to disassemble everytime to pull the CF card to reload
[03:50] <cyberanger> yeah, not a good thing, one more reason DIY is sometimes best
[03:50] <netritious> so call it a corner case but it did the same thing on 1.2 a year or so ago and remember I bad mouthed in here a bit
[03:50] <netritious> *bad mouthed pfsense
[03:50] <cyberanger> yeah, I do, when I was first starting swissknife-router
[03:50] <netritious> cyberanger: I compeltely agree
[03:51] <netritious> ...that DIY at least for me (and you?) is working out great
[03:51] <netritious> shorewall is pretty cool
[03:51] <netritious> but buggy in lucid
[03:52] <cyberanger> yeah, trying to turn it into a project too, but right now the project is on hold
[03:52] <cyberanger> chilispot on debian is great, dunno if I've done much with shorewall
[03:52] <netritious> no project for me...real application or moving along to maybe LFM
[03:53] <netritious> or back to FreeBSD
[03:53] <cyberanger> LFM?
[03:53] <netritious> Linux From Scratch
[03:53] <cyberanger> ah, right
[03:53] <netritious> sorry, LFS
[03:54] <netritious> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
[03:54] <cyberanger> FreeBSD is nice, but idk if shorewall works on it
[03:54] <netritious> I'm not so strapped into shorewall that it's required
[03:54] <cyberanger> since shorewall deals with iptables, not ipfw (which means I've not used it, prefer to write my own rules)
[03:54] <netritious> it just manages Netfilter
[03:55] <cyberanger> just like iptables does (forgot I can say Netfilter to you, most people don't know iptables isn't the firewall, Netfilter is)
[03:55] <netritious> FreeBSD actually has a few native firewalls
[03:57] <netritious> ipfw is most like Netfilter/iptables, but I do believe there is one that is significantly more sophisticated...
[03:57] <netritious> can't put my finger on the name atm
[03:57] <cyberanger> pf
[03:57] <netritious> been a while for me and (real) FreeBSD
[03:57] <cyberanger> I'd guess it's pf
[03:57] <netritious> I think that's what pfSense uses? or does pfSense use ipfw?
[03:58] <cyberanger> (pfsense was named for making more sense out of pf, to an end user, but nowadays idk)
[03:58] <cyberanger> (now it may tie into ipfw, or both might tie into the same kernel code, so you can use both?)
[03:58]  * netritious is out of touch with Unix
[03:58] <netritious> lol
[03:59] <cyberanger> well, I prefer debian, and unfortunately my hands are tied sometimes
[03:59] <netritious> cyberanger: any time you want to give me a 1:1 rundown on the finer points of using iptables I'm all ears.
[04:00] <netritious> I still haven't mastered it, but I'm learning
[04:01] <cyberanger> I'm still learning too (it's sorta like trying to see every inch of the US in a week, can't be done)
[04:01] <cyberanger> but I've used it's DNAT feature to redirect port 80 to a transparent intercepting proxy (squid)
[04:02] <netritious> I'm kinda sort of (very slowly) working on a web gui for iptables using lighttpd, php5 (fastcgi) and sqlite
[04:02] <cyberanger> I've done the same rule, adapted for dns, to beat another firewall forcing me to use their dns server
[04:03] <netritious> my goal is to create a meta-package for my ppa
[04:03] <cyberanger> found that if you set it right, it's extremely lightweight, extremely versitale, and there is a rule for anything
[04:03] <cyberanger> but I think the finer bit is in the NAT table, from a router's prospective
[04:03] <netritious> Netfilter? (..is extremely lightweight?) just asking what you mean
[04:04] <netritious> it *is* lightweight
[04:04] <cyberanger> port forwarding, DMZ
[04:04] <cyberanger> yes Netfilter/iptables combo is all that, lightweight, versitle, with a rule for any need
[04:05] <netritious> right now my dev box is 1GB ram, 1.3 GHz celeron (mobile), and 4GB CF, and I am only using 38 mb ram and <700MB on the hdd
[04:05] <netritious> with a running fw
[04:07] <netritious> I started with ubuntu jeOS (8.04) and upgraded to lucid, changed kernel from -virtual to -generic-pae (for servers) and went from there, basically cutting out the ubuntu-standard package altogether
[04:08] <cyberanger> I've had it do portforwarding to a ampache server on port 8080, since I didn't trust ampache on day one, didn't want it as root
[04:08] <netritious> the -virtual kernel isn't built with Netfilter
[04:08] <cyberanger> but to all computers, it was listening on 80
[04:08] <netritious> ampache? is that a typo or a cool web server I don't know about?
[04:09] <cyberanger> this case not a typo, derived from apache2, multimedia web player
[04:09] <netritious> ah
[04:10] <cyberanger> like lala.com (prior to apple buying it, damn I hate that to this day, no great replacement yet even)
[04:11] <cyberanger> it's worth the trust, but I didn't fully trust the source recommending it
[04:11] <netritious> cool cyberanger
[04:11] <cyberanger> so I played it carefully
[04:11] <netritious> well I'm out for the night... have to get up early in the morning... Unit193 nice to see a new face in here :)
[04:12] <netritious> nite cyberanger, err'body :)
[04:12] <cyberanger> my dev box is anything with virtualbox 256mb ram, debian
[04:12] <cyberanger> night netritious
[04:12] <cyberanger> I rsync between desktop and laptop
[04:12] <Unit193> Too late to say adios...
[04:13] <cyberanger> yeah, gotta be quick with alot of the people here
[04:14] <Unit193> I had to file a bug :/
[04:15] <cyberanger> on what
[04:15]  * cyberanger grabs the can of RAID
[04:16] <Unit193> Silicone spray and match got 'em
[04:26] <cyberanger> lol
[04:30]  * Unit193 has done that ^^
[04:32]  * cyberanger borrows a line from Independence Day, Let's Nuke the Bastards
[04:33] <Unit193> The flame from silicone spray is so much better than others!
[05:24] <orias> 0.0
[05:30] <cyberanger> orias: a real eye opener, huh
[05:30] <orias> fire cleanses almost everything
[05:30] <orias> :D
[07:22] <Unit193> Now is as good as ever...
[07:23] <Unit193> pace_t_zulu: Now you get to watch me be stupid too ;)  (Though I don't plan to say anything...)
[10:34] <wrst> cyberanger: yes
[10:57] <cyberanger> yes?
[11:18] <cyberanger> wrst: ^
 wrst: you use something similar, dd-wrt right?
[13:00] <Xpistos> how did the meeting go last night?
[13:00] <Xpistos> morning wrst
[13:00] <Xpistos> et all
[13:00] <wrst> morning Xpistos
[13:39] <twayneprice> morning wrst
[13:48] <wrst> hey twayneprice got the email I may try to join in on that if my work cooperates, thanks
[13:59] <twayneprice> wrst:  Cool.  I'm looking forward to it.
[13:59] <wrst> yes hopefully I will be able to make that
[15:25] <Xpistos> Okay so I finally broke down and am byuying a new computer
[15:25] <Xpistos> http://ecomm.dell.com/dellstore/basket.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&itemtype=CFG&details=undefined
[15:34] <wrst> cool XP
[15:34] <wrst> UHH
[15:34] <wrst> cool Xpistos
[15:35] <Xpistos> my wife is a bit upset that I would spend that much but it was my bonus money
[15:35] <Xpistos> she said we could buy a car for that
[20:12]  * cyberanger wonders what a bonus is, considers *looking at* Xpistos's
[20:12]  * cyberanger could use a car ;-)
[20:13] <cyberanger> congrats on the reward for some hard work Xpistos
[20:21] <Xpistos> Thank you
[20:21] <Xpistos> I have been doing network support and web maintence - 2 jobs for the price of one
[21:33] <Xpistos> I have an interestign question.
[21:34] <Xpistos> I have a VIDEO_TS folder that I need to transfer to a DVD. How do I go about doing that? I don't believe I can do a straight copy to a DVD but is there another way?


[06:39] <bkerensa> popey: Uh actually I would say a pretty balanced amount used Linux
[06:44] <bkerensa> popey: probably 40%+ of technical staff anyways
[06:45] <bkerensa> albeit I bet most don't use flash though
[06:45] <bkerensa> and not Ubuntu but Fedora, Arch and OpenSuse seem to be the most popular... And a dash of Xubuntu
[09:23] <dholbach> hey hey... I've been struggling with the network somewhat - I hope it stays stable now :-/
[14:47] <aveemashfaq> dholbach , when is it going to be this time. in 10 min or after an hour
[14:48] <dholbach> mhall119, balloons: ^
[14:48] <dholbach> in an hour I think
[14:48] <balloons> aveemashfaq, yes, 1 hour and 12 mins from now
[14:48] <aveemashfaq> just change it in the schedule please
[14:49] <aveemashfaq> on ubuntuonair.com
[14:49] <elfy> comm team in ubuntu-on-air is showing 15:00 GMT which is in 11 minutes
[14:49] <aveemashfaq> and any topics decided
[14:49] <aveemashfaq> that's my point elfy
[14:58] <balloons> jose, can you change the Community Team Q&A events on the calendar to be 1600 UTC?
[14:59] <elfy> hi balloons :)
[14:59] <elfy> silly old dst changes :p
[14:59] <balloons> yea, I wonder what to do with it
[15:00] <aveemashfaq> balloons please use a space after the name even when putting a comma, this would help tag the person
[15:00] <elfy> aveemashfaq: ?
[15:01] <aveemashfaq> it must be aveemashfaq : ? . I am using kiwi irc and i get those things highlighted to me when i put a space
[15:01] <elfy> just using someone's name highlights them - or does in normal irc clients at least - don't often bother with webclients at all
[15:02] <aveemashfaq> i did not know that. i don't use dedicated irc because they don't work in my college network
[15:02] <elfy> yep understood
[15:04] <mhall119> irssi + ssh + byobu == winning
[15:12] <balloons> znc + anything you wish = winner
[15:12] <balloons> <3
[15:15] <mhall119> yeah, I haven't taken the time to setup znc yet, I hear it finally supports multiple networks
[15:17] <aveemashfaq> i was frightened for a while thinking what is all of this and is this the topic of discussion
[15:40] <belkinsa> balloons, agreed ZNC bouncer rocks.
[15:41] <balloons> mhall119, yea multiple networks used to not be fine, but it's trivial now
[15:42] <czajkowski> aloha
[15:42] <belkinsa> o/ czajkowski and everyone else.
[15:43] <elfy> hi belkinsa
[15:56] <jose> balloons: for all future events?
[15:56] <balloons> jose, yea
[15:57] <jose> balloons: got it, thanks for confirming!
[15:57] <jose> balloons: also, could you please let me know if you're going to continue doing this over the next month? or you're having a slight holiday?/
[15:59] <balloons> jose, good question. The last two weeks of the year at least we will not be doing it
[15:59] <balloons> I suspect there may be a week or two more in there as well
[16:43] <jose> balloons: please lemme know so I can cancel it beforehand
[17:02] <balloons> jose, please cancel dec 23rd and dec 30th. I'll let you know if there are more
[17:02] <jose> ack
[17:44] <dholbach> all right my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow!


[00:00] <daftykins> me and mspaint right thar
[00:02] <zmoylan-pi> all those years at college weren't waster... :-P
[00:02] <zmoylan-pi> *wasted
[00:02] <daftykins> 8D
[00:03] <daftykins> bed for me, g'night folks \o
[00:03]  * daftykins sniffs at diddledan's HDDs on the way out
[00:04]  * diddledan corrals his disk to protect it
[00:05] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[10:30] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[14:22] <zmoylan-pi> for the minecraft players who remember elite... https://www.avorion.net/
[22:29] <diddledan> wait, you can boot the pi without binary blobs?!
[22:30] <diddledan> https://github.com/christinaa/rpi-open-firmware/blob/master/README.md
[22:35] <zmoylan-pi> tis a new thing i think.  tis nice to know that some of the weird haven't a clue code is now absent from the mix


[05:37] <Kilos> good morning za peeps
[05:58]  * Kilos waits to see if shedding will strike again
[07:16] <Kilos> ek word sommer mal
[07:56] <Kilos> morning pieter2627
[07:56] <pieter2627> hi Kilos
[07:57] <pieter2627> How are things?
[07:58] <Kilos> quiet, we waiting for superfly  to get a break to check the site comment and tell us what next
[07:58] <Kilos> his days are way to short to get everything done
[07:59] <Kilos> how are you?
[07:59] <pieter2627> ah i see... good ty
[08:00] <Kilos> s/comment/content
[08:00] <Kilos> if you are bored you can help me though
[08:01] <pieter2627> with what do you need help?
[08:01] <Kilos> lol finding the missing locos or any ubuntu or linux users there
[08:02] <Kilos> only if you are bored with nothing to do
[08:02] <Kilos> i found another group
[08:02] <Kilos> kenya
[08:03] <Kilos> they are in the lug and the founder guy is back in switzerland
[08:05] <pieter2627> i'll be able to check some just before 12H. Where does one look for them?
[08:06] <Kilos> this is what ive found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AfricanTeams
[08:06] <Kilos> wait ill give another link for where to find them
[08:07] <Kilos> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/
[08:08] <Kilos> i have just been contacting those i could via email but many have answered
[08:08] <Kilos> maybe they dont like my face
[08:09] <Kilos> i use the slexy link in ubuntu-africa as a greeting message
[08:10] <pieter2627> ok
[08:11] <Kilos> but Symmetria  said his servers are going mad with download and so on so there must be many buntu users out there
[08:11] <Kilos> finding them is the thing
[08:12] <pieter2627> i might try google then... it normally likes me :P
[08:12] <Kilos> lol
[08:13] <Kilos> ya google isnt my friend, it just gives me more work
[09:41] <Kilos> hmm...
[09:52] <pieter2627> Kilos: i see the africanTeam(s) wiki page list some as missing, does it mean that contact can be established or...?
[09:53] <pieter2627> s/can/can't/
[09:53] <Kilos> everytime i find one i add them in there or get them to do it and mark them as not missing anymore
[09:54] <Kilos> those that show as missing are those that have been inactive for a long time
[12:39] <mopkop42> Hello...
[12:40] <Kilos> hi mopkop42
[12:41] <Kilos> hoekom kom jy van die site aff
[12:41] <Kilos> af
[12:41] <mopkop42> Hello oom Kilos!  Dit het net 1GB RAM.  Mate lyk mooier :)
[13:05] <Kilos> mate is lekker
[13:06] <Kilos> soos gnome2 lekker was
[13:06] <Kilos> amper anyway
[13:07] <mopkop42> amper?
[13:09] <Kilos> ja die drie goed wat bo was met gnome2 is net 2 , jy moet een van hulle oopmaak om die derde een se goed te sien
[13:09] <Kilos> apps en twee ander, ek vergeet wat
[13:09] <Kilos> die derde een is nou in die eerste een
[13:10] <mopkop42> Darem het ek nooit gnome 2 gebruik nie, so ek hoef nie gewoond te raak aan die nuwe goed nie...
[13:10] <Kilos> lol
[13:13] <Kilos> gnome2 was baie lekker
[13:42] <mopkop42> Good day everyone, have some Church things to do...
[13:53]  * nlsthzn sees mention that mate looks good... wait wut?
[13:53]  * nlsthzn shudders
[13:53] <Kilos> lol
[13:53] <Kilos> compared to untiy
[13:53] <Kilos> unity
[13:56] <Kilos> nlsthzn  what are you using now
[13:56] <nlsthzn> unity
[13:56] <Kilos> oh my
[13:56] <nlsthzn> but I would like to be using gnome 3
[13:56] <Kilos> strange i never tried gnome 3 and now im so happy with kde i might never
[13:57] <nlsthzn> depending on the mix of apps you use there is so much inconsistancies with the way mate looks... issue of gtk2 and gtk3 and the fact that gnome is continiously changing the defaults of how applications should look etc... frustrating for me to use linux at the moment...
[13:58] <nlsthzn> both gnome and kde is doing good stuff and then there is parts that just suck >.<
[13:58] <Kilos> no man kde rocks
[13:58] <nlsthzn> it is ok
[13:59] <Kilos> a whole year crash free
[13:59] <Kilos> more now even
[13:59] <nlsthzn> I am sure that most distro's and interfaces can stay up depending on what you do with it...
[13:59] <nlsthzn> I can crash anything :p
[13:59] <Kilos> lol
[13:59] <Kilos> well you try fix what wasnt even broken
[14:00] <nlsthzn> messing with games native and via wine really shows some of the less than ideal systems on linux
[14:00] <Kilos> i dont even try wine anymore
[14:00] <Kilos> crashed unity twice so thats it
[14:00] <nlsthzn> sound and video subsystem is really patchy... perhaps wayland and or mir will help a bit on the video side
[14:00] <nlsthzn> as for the sound... who knows
[14:01] <nlsthzn> must say ubuntu 14.04 is so far giving me no hassle...
[14:01] <Kilos> 15.10 is mir hey?
[14:01] <nlsthzn> nope
[14:01] <nlsthzn> not sure when mir will drop
[14:01] <Kilos> 14.04 is super stable
[14:02] <Kilos> oh i thought it was out in 15.04
[14:02] <nlsthzn> the .2 update did break a few things which really p*ssed me off but there are always work arounds online :p[
[14:02] <Kilos> not 15.10
[14:02] <nlsthzn> oh perhaps 15.10
[14:02] <Kilos> broke what
[14:02] <nlsthzn> was thinking of 15.04
[14:03] <nlsthzn> they haven't ported all of the latest packages to .2 so you can't install them...
[14:03] <Kilos> what broke with updates on 14.04
[14:03] <nlsthzn> makes some wine and steam things not work properly... there is a bug filed but no fix yet
[14:03] <nlsthzn> some mesa gl things
[14:03] <Kilos> oh not ubuntu stuff
[14:03] <Kilos> add on stuff
[14:03] <nlsthzn> yes core files
[14:04] <nlsthzn> that come with ubuntu normally
[14:04] <Kilos> ya but your addons broke them
[14:04] <nlsthzn> no
[14:04] <Kilos> must be
[14:04] <nlsthzn> anybody installing 14.04.2 will face this issue...
[14:04] <Kilos> im fully up to date and nothing broke
[14:04] <nlsthzn> that is why there is a bug report with many people commenting
[14:05] <nlsthzn> it may be to do with our hardware and the applications we would like to run
[14:05] <Kilos> ah
[14:05] <nlsthzn> just because it works for you doens't mean there is nothing broken ;)
[14:05] <Kilos> haha
[14:05] <nlsthzn> anyway there is a work around if you find the bug report and read the correct comment
[14:06] <nlsthzn> which reminds me, I have some more Windows applications to install :p
[14:06] <Kilos> only real hassles ive ever had have been nm
[14:06] <Kilos> eeek
[14:06] <Kilos> see
[14:06] <Kilos> you break it
[14:07] <Kilos> you like putting fiat uno parts in an audi
[14:07] <nlsthzn> oh well... maybe the power of a thousand geeks not strong enough for my foo
[14:08] <nlsthzn> for all of the anti windows sentiment there is a lot of things that it does well... but biased will always make the world look different
[14:08] <Kilos> you know what pro and his buddy did to me
[14:08] <nlsthzn> nope
[14:08] <Kilos> ya the 7 i run works
[14:08] <Kilos> i lent them my sjambok naow they wont give it back
[14:09] <nlsthzn> ... baby bath time... sorry will be back later (perhaps)
[14:09] <Kilos> now in gonna apply to be on the council and not lend the stronger sjambok to anyone
[14:09] <Kilos> enjoy
[14:09] <nlsthzn> tell them to give it back :p
[14:10] <Kilos> they say no more capitoal punishment
[14:10] <Kilos> twits
[14:10] <Kilos> cyber sjambokking hurt no one
[14:31] <nlsthzn> Kilos, not sure why you would have a sjambok... nobody here is a slave... all volenteers last time I checked :p
[14:36] <Kilos> wow now you starting too
[14:37] <Kilos> i give up
[14:37] <Kilos> and become a beggar again
[14:37] <Kilos> volunteers
[15:33] <inetpro> dankie nlsthzn
[15:33] <inetpro> at least someone who agrees with me :-)
[15:34] <inetpro> good afternoon everyone
[15:34] <inetpro> oh and hi Kilos
[15:34] <nlsthzn> I know it can be frustrating uncle Kilos ... best you can do is your best and those it inspires will add more value... most won't... this is the nature of the beast...
[15:35] <nlsthzn> everyone scratches his or her own itch
[15:35] <nlsthzn> oh hai inetpro
[15:35] <nlsthzn> :)
[15:35] <Kilos> its fine i will design cyber torture methods
[15:35] <inetpro> ai!
[15:35] <Kilos> ohi inetpro
[15:36] <Kilos> i have friends in hidden places
[15:37] <Kilos> and the mafia dont care about modern rules
[15:39] <Kilos> and of course there is always the pro. after much todo about nothing he still gets things done
[15:39] <nlsthzn> just be careful not to tare down all that you have built up ;)
[15:39] <Kilos> haha you think i would break down all my tears and sweat
[15:39] <Kilos> sjoe
[15:40] <nlsthzn> not on purpose
[15:40] <nlsthzn> we control our actions, not the consequences of those actions
[15:40] <Kilos> well by accident i can be forgiven
[15:40] <nlsthzn> and that would give you satisfaction?
[15:41] <nlsthzn> oh well I MEANT no harm...
[15:41] <nlsthzn> so alls well I guess
[15:41] <nlsthzn> :/
[15:41] <Kilos> lol
[15:41] <Kilos> no man
[15:41] <Kilos> how often do i offend peeps
[15:42] <nlsthzn> I doubt you do :)
[15:42] <nlsthzn> and keep up the amazing work you are doing btw
[15:42] <Kilos> one doesnt hurt his family
[15:42]  * nlsthzn can hear an unhappy baby again
[15:42] <nlsthzn> *sigh*
[15:42] <Kilos> shame
[16:25] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:12] <inetpro> wb danfowler
[17:12] <inetpro> oh and Neo31
[17:22] <inetpro> heh Kilos, I see you got yourself into trouble this morning?
[17:22] <Kilos> with who now?
[17:23] <inetpro> the news team
[17:23] <Kilos> oh he apologised once he rtfs
[17:23] <Kilos> he misunderstood
[17:24] <inetpro> hmm... ok
[17:25] <Kilos> i didnt ask for help as such, i said what we are doing and if anyone could help we would be thankfull i think
[17:26] <Kilos> one from the board has already come to me with links
[17:26] <Kilos> they know Kilos is in town
[17:26] <Kilos> soon they will hide like you
[17:27]  * inetpro has never posted anything newsworthy before
[17:27] <inetpro> is this the place they told you to post?
[17:27] <inetpro> to post to*
[17:27] <Kilos> here?
[17:27] <inetpro> no man
[17:27] <inetpro> ubuntu-news-team
[17:27] <Kilos> yes thats what the lady told me to send to but she said send to the team because she could be away
[17:28] <inetpro> ah
[17:28] <Kilos> i try not to make mistakes but ya
[17:28]  * inetpro only subscribed to it the other day
[17:29] <Kilos> im happy, because they add news about the new korea team and i  helped them
[17:29] <Kilos> like you do
[17:29] <Kilos> lol
[17:29] <Kilos> gave them links
[17:29] <inetpro> cool
[17:30] <Kilos> but at leasat cantide has contacts there now too
[17:30] <Kilos> least
[17:31] <inetpro> will be interesting to see the reaction once it hits the big news
[17:31] <Kilos> peeps will get to understand i make many mistakes but i try everything i can to help ubuntu not me
[17:33] <Kilos> but im not going to become a FB fan
[17:33] <inetpro> uh, seriously!?
[17:33] <Kilos> i dont like it man you know that
[17:34] <inetpro> oh I read that wrong... missed the _not_
[17:34] <Kilos> haha
[17:34] <Kilos> rtfs
[17:34]  * inetpro almost fell off his chair
[17:35] <Kilos> haha
[17:35] <Kilos> i dont think though at times
[17:35] <Kilos> i asked neo to translate the greeting to french for me
[17:36] <Kilos> but i forgot i met a lady last night thats also an ubuntu fan and is in the south of france
[17:36] <Kilos> so ill ask her just now
[17:36] <Kilos> she even has a ppa package
[17:37] <inetpro> Kilos: you forgot your other job
[17:37] <Kilos> uh oh
[17:37] <Kilos> i still greet everywhere
[17:37] <Kilos> and look at trello
[17:38] <inetpro> you let the klaus dude slip through your fingers in locoteams
[17:38] <Kilos> what did i miss
[17:38] <Kilos> he spoke foreign
[17:38] <inetpro> use google translate
[17:38] <inetpro> google can help you to speak foreign
[17:38] <Kilos> after he left i realised i helped him before i think and he does english
[17:39] <Kilos> im too slow man
[17:39] <Kilos> he wanted a command to install stuff right?
[17:39] <inetpro> :-)
[17:39] <Kilos> i would have taught him aptitude
[17:40] <Kilos> oh but anyway thats not my job there
[17:40] <Kilos> i cant support the world
[17:41] <Kilos> then i get told this isnt a support channel
[17:42] <Kilos> do you even look at trello anymore inetpro  ?
[17:42] <Kilos> so much stuff there
[17:43] <inetpro> I deleted it
[17:43] <Kilos> wow really?
[17:43] <Kilos> why?
[17:43] <inetpro> useless technology
[17:43] <Kilos> eish
[17:43] <inetpro> haha... I'm joking man
[17:43] <Kilos> you lie man
[17:44] <Kilos> haha
[17:44] <Kilos> oh i saw some other funny stuffs
[17:44] <Kilos> lemme see if i can find it
[17:45] <Kilos> but i dont even know what reddit is
[17:45] <Kilos> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/l5b3x/members_and_canonical_employees_claim_your_flair/
[17:47] <Kilos> dont say rtfs
[17:47] <Kilos> not even in caps
[17:50] <inetpro> Kilos: it's about http://www.ubuntu.com/tour/en/
[17:50] <Kilos> lol
[17:50] <Kilos> are there pictures
[17:51] <Kilos> no man whats that link doing
[17:52] <Kilos> looks like unity installing
[17:52] <Kilos> killed it now
[17:54] <inetpro> ah, I think I know what you want
[17:54] <inetpro> you want the flair thingy?
[17:54] <Kilos> im gonna hit you
[17:54] <Kilos> i was wondering what that was
[17:55] <inetpro> Kilos: first read about reddit
[17:55] <inetpro> 'https://www.reddit.com/wiki/faq
[17:55] <Kilos> do you use it?
[17:55] <inetpro> no
[17:55] <inetpro> well, yes
[17:55] <inetpro> sometimes
[17:56] <inetpro> depends
[17:56] <Kilos> make up your mind
[17:56] <Kilos> what do you use it for
[17:56] <inetpro> is a nice place to view popular opinions
[17:56] <Kilos> oh
[17:57] <inetpro> links that receive community approval bubble up towards #1
[17:57] <Kilos> i need to go there, maybe they can help me
[17:57] <inetpro> it's like a commenting site
[17:57] <Kilos> so what is that flair thing
[17:57] <inetpro> people post comments about anything and everything
[17:58] <inetpro> if you post a comment you're just a number
[17:58] <inetpro> people just end up ignoring you
[17:58] <Kilos> if i post everyone will have to read it twice to understand
[17:59] <inetpro> but with a flair you stand a better chance
[17:59] <Kilos> is that all
[17:59] <Kilos> like brownie points
[18:00] <inetpro> yep, it allows you to stand out in the crowds
[18:01] <Kilos> no i like being hidden
[18:02] <Kilos> but you cant paint a roof from the bottom of the ladder
[18:04] <inetpro> good point
[18:04] <inetpro> that is why I don't use it
[18:04] <Kilos> lol
[18:04] <Kilos> now
[18:04] <inetpro> well then again, I said I do use it... hmm...
[18:04] <inetpro> well
[18:04] <Kilos> what are you doing about membership
[18:05] <inetpro> I just read what others say, in other words, in that sense I actually do use it
[18:05]  * Kilos waits!
[18:05] <inetpro> he's waiting for?
[18:06] <Kilos>  what are you doing about membership
[18:06] <inetpro> I don't use it
[18:06]  * inetpro thought he said so
[18:06]  * Kilos waits!
[18:07]  * inetpro already mentioned that he is not using it
[18:07] <Kilos> what are you doing about your membership
[18:07] <inetpro> it in this case is still referring to reddit membership
[18:07] <Kilos> we are past that
[18:08] <inetpro> and Kilos is referring to ubuntu membership?
[18:08] <Kilos> ubuntu membership
[18:08] <inetpro> yikes!
[18:09] <Kilos> if you like i will vote 0
[18:09] <Kilos> that means abstain i think
[18:09] <inetpro> ai!
[18:10] <inetpro> loadshedding killed him again?
[18:10] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:11] <inetpro> wb Kilos
[18:11] <Kilos> ty who killed me
[18:11] <Kilos> oh ami i have a home network
[18:11]  * Kilos clever
[18:12] <Kilos> eth and wifi
[18:12] <Kilos> and no need for iptables thank heavens
[18:12] <Kilos> kde has really gone forward with nm
[18:13] <Kilos> why did you say yikes inetpro  ?
[18:14] <inetpro> Kilos: about the misunderstanding
[18:14] <Kilos> lol
[18:14] <inetpro> the answer is, one day
[18:14] <Kilos> sigh
[18:14] <Kilos> see things dont work without a sjambok
[18:14] <inetpro> when I' ready
[18:15] <Kilos> you are way past ready, shoulda been done years ago
[18:18] <inetpro> my evidence of real contribution is still low
[18:18] <Kilos> eish
[18:21] <Kilos> soon the site will launch then you have that to add as well
[18:21]  * inetpro is not good at advertising his self
[18:21] <Kilos> also add you helped under extreme conditions to make me
[18:22] <Kilos> you can and i am goosie and what you do and when you started etc
[18:22] <Kilos> then testimonials do the rest
[18:22] <inetpro> jaja
[18:23] <Kilos> grrrr
[18:23] <inetpro> when is your next meeting?
[18:23] <Kilos> i dunno its too hard to find on the calender
[18:24] <Kilos> that other link where you add yourself at a certain time is better for me
[18:24] <Kilos> but the girls will remind me hopefully
[18:25] <Kilos> i must just smile nicely
[18:30] <Kilos> inetpro  where is that link where new members add them selves please
[18:30] <inetpro> erm
[18:31] <Kilos> that one with the 2 times
[18:31] <inetpro> oh that
[18:31] <Kilos> ya
[18:32] <inetpro> follow the trail https://ubuntu-za.org/
[18:32] <Kilos> lol
[18:33] <inetpro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards
[18:33] <Kilos> ty
[18:33] <Kilos> no man
[18:33] <inetpro> yes man
[18:36] <Kilos> first thusday and 3rd wednesday of the month
[18:36] <Kilos> thursday
[18:36] <Kilos> too much rtfs to get there
[18:37] <inetpro> https://ubuntu-za.org/ -> Getting Involved -> Join us! -> Become an official Ubuntu Member -> 12:00 UTC Board / 22:00 UTC Board
[18:37] <Kilos> ya lotsa work
[18:37] <Kilos> ive had a long day
[18:39] <Kilos> ive bookmarked it 3 times now
[18:39] <Kilos> sigh
[18:39] <Kilos> already i mean
[18:40] <inetpro> no need to bookmark
[18:40] <inetpro> just click our homepage above and follow the trail
[18:40] <Kilos> ya ill remember how now
[18:42] <Kilos> hi pieter2627
[18:43] <pieter2627> Hi Kilos
[18:43] <inetpro> wb pieter2627
[18:43] <pieter2627> oh hi inetpro
[18:59] <inetpro> Kilos: go look at your calendar and switch to the Calendar tab, at middle top you will see a dropdown with Events in the Next 7 Days being selected
[18:59] <inetpro> click the dropdown and select Events in the Next 31 Days
[18:59] <inetpro> then in the search box next to that type 'Ubuntu Membership' and see what happens
[19:00] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:01] <inetpro> you will see that your next meeting is on Friday, 8 May at 00:00
[19:02] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:05] <Kilos> i see that ty
[19:07] <Kilos> 8 may and 20 may
[19:07] <Kilos> you could make the 20 may one
[19:07] <Kilos> comfortably
[19:08] <Kilos> superfly  are you too busy sir?
[19:22] <inetpro> bye neo{tab}
[19:22] <Kilos> lol
[19:23] <pieter2627> night all
[19:24] <inetpro> good night piet{tab}
[19:24] <inetpro> ai!
[19:24] <inetpro> Maaz: is http://ubuntu-africa.snyman.info/ up?
[19:25] <Maaz> inetpro: No, http://ubuntu-africa.snyman.info/ is down (Server is not responding)
[19:25] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:27] <Kilos> isnt in ubuntu-africa.info
[19:28] <inetpro> Kilos: the new one yes
[19:28] <inetpro> that is for production
[19:28] <Kilos> oh
[20:00] <smile> Hi guys :)
[20:00] <Kilos> wb smile
[20:00] <smile> Thanks :)
[20:10] <superfly> inetpro: my web server is having issues...
[20:10] <inetpro> ai!
[20:11] <superfly> not sure why, every day it gets to a point where it hangs. haven't had the time to look into why, just restart it
[20:11] <inetpro> superfly: what's the problem?
[20:11] <superfly> *shrug*
[20:12] <superfly> Maaz: is ubuntu-africa.snyman.info up?
[20:12] <Maaz> superfly: Yes, http://ubuntu-africa.snyman.info/ is up
[20:12] <inetpro> superfly: I know the feeling :-)
[20:13] <Kilos> ai!
[20:14] <inetpro> fortunately it's only our testing site
[20:14] <Kilos> inetpro   do you know when the newsletter comes out?
[20:15] <inetpro> Kilos: not yet
[20:15] <Kilos> im too busy to try find that too
[20:16] <inetpro> Kilos: either Monday or Tuesday
[20:17] <Kilos> aw my post will be late for this week then
[20:17] <inetpro> why?
[20:18] <Kilos> they must still edit it and get it past pleia2 and i think she is away tomorrow and tuesday
[20:22] <Kilos> anyway well see hey
[20:22] <Kilos> maybe they dont even post it
[20:23] <inetpro> another opportunity to learn to be patient
[20:23] <Kilos> lol
[20:46] <Kilos> inetpro  what is obsfucation on an email address please
[20:46] <inetpro> Kilos: address at gmail.com
[20:46] <Kilos> oh that
[20:47] <Kilos> ty
[20:47] <inetpro> or even address at gmail dot com
[20:47] <inetpro> or some clever javascript to make it look normal but the moment you copy and paste it's scrambled
[20:48] <Kilos> no thats too much
[20:48] <inetpro> uh
[20:49] <Kilos> i like things easy and simple
[20:50] <Kilos> otherwise i get lost even more
[20:50] <inetpro> Kilos: the bots also like it easy and simple
[20:51] <inetpro> otherwise they also get lost
[20:51] <Kilos> lol
[20:59] <inetpro> Kilos: http://ubuntu-africa.info/
[21:00] <Kilos> w000000t
[21:00] <Kilos> ty so much superfly
[21:00] <Kilos> were the content stuffs good?
[21:01] <Kilos> i mean are you satisfied
[21:01] <Kilos> or do they meet your approval
[21:01] <inetpro> sshhh!
[21:01] <superfly> i think it'll be easier to get people to fix stuff now that it's up there
[21:02] <inetpro> :-)
[21:02] <Kilos> did you see anything needs fixing superfly  ?
[21:02] <inetpro> Kilos: we need to think about a different catch phrase
[21:03] <Kilos> for what?
[21:03] <inetpro> something other than "Welcome to Africa!"
[21:03] <superfly> not just a catch phrase, we need a proper intro block
[21:03] <Kilos> oh
[21:06] <inetpro> does the paragraph unde "Give meaning to your life" sound right at http://ubuntu-africa.info/join-us.html ?
[21:06] <Kilos> ok so do i wait before i go to canonical and ask them to approve what they can find needs approval
[21:06] <Kilos> hehe
[21:06] <inetpro> Kilos: wait man
[21:06] <Kilos> ok
[21:06] <inetpro> why always such a rush?
[21:07] <Kilos> hmm...
[21:07] <Kilos> anyway the welcome to africa should have been welcome africa
[21:07] <Kilos> but whatever you guys think is best
[21:08] <inetpro> think about it, talk about it and improve it
[21:08] <inetpro> it's not done until it is done
[21:08] <Kilos> is the jumbotron thing supposed to run sequentially or just random
[21:09] <Kilos> i see it often repeats a page
[21:09] <inetpro> you mean an image?
[21:10] <Kilos> yes when you refresh the view
[21:10] <Kilos> maybe its me
[21:10] <Kilos> hit refresh a few times and see
[21:14] <inetpro> nothing wrong with that
[21:14] <Kilos> nope
[21:15] <inetpro> even the irc chat works
[21:15] <Kilos> that is a wonderful thing, it brings peeps direct to irc
[21:15] <smile> Slaapwel :)
[21:15] <Kilos> not fb or tweet place
[21:15] <Kilos> sleep tight smile
[21:16] <smile> Thanks
[21:17] <Kilos> la Ubuntu LoCo (Communauté Locale) d'Afrique du Sud a formé le projet de mettre
[21:17] <Kilos> hehe
[21:17] <Kilos> i even have a traslation team
[21:17] <Kilos> translation
[21:33]  * inetpro going to hit the sack
[21:33] <inetpro> good night
[21:33] <inetpro> oh and before I go
[21:33] <inetpro> thanks superfly!
[21:35] <Kilos> night inetpro  ty
[21:35] <Kilos> and ty very much superfly
[22:11] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[18:08] <DammitJim> anyone here have experience with a place that can recover hard drive data?
[18:12] <mhall119> DammitJim: not a place, but I've used the photorec tool to recover files from failing drives many times
[18:12] <DammitJim> photorec?
[18:12] <DammitJim> I"m creating an image with ddrescue
[18:12] <mhall119> DammitJim: it's part of the testdisk package in Ubuntu
[18:13] <DammitJim> but I don't think I have enough room on this hard drive
[18:13] <mhall119> it'll recover images from a disk image
[18:13] <mhall119> do you have another drive you can recover files to?
[18:13] <DammitJim> yeah, about that... I tried using ubuntu-rescue-remix, but couldn't create a usb drive to run it
[18:13] <DammitJim> this hard drive is 2TB
[18:13] <mhall119> never heard of that remix before
[18:13] <DammitJim> I'll need something larger than that
[18:13] <mhall119> how much data was on it?
[18:13] <DammitJim> not much... maybe 50GB
[18:14] <mhall119> it's recommended to use dd to create an image file of the drive, but if you don't have space for that it's not strictly necessary, you just need space to put the recovered files
[18:14] <DammitJim> yeah, I'm just afraid I'll mess up the drive even more
[18:14] <mhall119> it's good practice to use dd to create an image, because every time you access a failing drive you can potentially destroy data
[18:14] <DammitJim> then we send it to a recovery place and they say they can't get anything back
[18:15] <DammitJim> right mhall119 ... that's my fear
[18:15] <mhall119> but, if you don't have any better options, you can still give that a try
[18:15] <mhall119> if the drive is working enough to be read at least


[07:59] <tsimonq2> infinity: could you (or someone with the permissions) please approve the libfm SRU ( bug 1562764 ) and once that lands in xenial-updates, do a respin of the Lubuntu 16.04.1 image?
[09:55] <davmor2> Hey guys can someone add upgrades to the iso tracker please, making a start on netboot
[10:40] <sakrecoer> Hi, where can i find the schedule for dot releases? i've found this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseSchedule however, it doesn't announce for when 16.04.2 release is scheduled..
[10:50] <apw> sakrecoer, likely an exact date has not yet been determined for 16.04.2, but it will be approximatly 6 moths from now
[10:53] <sakrecoer> apw: thank you! :) so, a good way to stay informed is to check /XenialXerus/ReleaseSchedule regularily?
[10:57] <apw> sakrecoer, i would expect to see it being put in provisionally quite soon, once the current one is out of the way
[11:02] <davmor2> Guys I'm having major issues with netboot detecting usb and networking in kvm I'm going to try on hardware but I assume it will be a real issue so just a heads up
[11:22] <rbasak> sakrecoer: you can subscribe to release schedule wiki page changes if you want.
[11:25] <flocculant> infinity: do you know the download links on 16.04.1 are wrong? and no upgrade tests for it either
[11:28] <davmor2> infinity: netboot iso's for xenial are fubar, I get error while running 'modprobe -v usb-storage'  and then get No network interfaces on kvm and hardware
[11:28] <sakrecoer> thank you rbasak! :)
[11:29] <davmor2> flocculant: hey dude how's life
[11:29] <flocculant> just emptied the kitchen of 3 buzzing hornets
[11:29] <flocculant> everything is just great now :D
[11:38] <davmor2> cyphermox: one for you to look at too dude :) I'm using mini.iso from http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial-updates/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[12:40] <coreycb> hello, can an archive admin please promote python-aodhclient and python-monascaclient to main? this will help get some of our openstack packages out of dependency waits.
[12:41] <coreycb> here are the accompanying MIR bugs: bug 1552415 and bug 1590836
[12:43] <coreycb> we also have packages blocked by MIR bug 1552415 if we could get a review of that.  thanks!
[12:44] <coreycb> bah, first 2 bugs above should have been 1590836 and bug 1586069
[14:08] <davmor2> infinity, cyphermox: just tried server cd amd64 on kvm and got the same issue so there is a definite issue with the debian installer
[14:26] <davmor2> infinity, cyphermox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/1604441
[14:55] <infinity> davmor2: ORLY?
[14:57] <jderose> infinity: so no new RC ISOs yet, sans proposed?
[14:57] <infinity> jderose: Waiting on verification of a dhclient bug, so I can squeeze that in the respin.
[14:58] <infinity> jderose: Also looking at davmor2's claim that d-i is FUBAR.
[14:58] <infinity> jderose: And was sick and in bed all morning. :/
[14:58] <jderose> infinity: gotcha, thanks. i'm just anxious to get testing :)
[14:58] <jderose> ah bummer, sorry to hear your sick. bad timing for that
[14:58] <infinity> jderose: Like I said in my mail, don't let any of that stop you from testing!
[14:59] <infinity> jderose: You find bugs in the current daily, we fix them for the respin (maybe).    Verdict?
[15:00] <jderose> infinity: this was the only thing I found - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1604173
[15:01] <infinity> jderose: Kay, and that's upgrade-only, so not ISO critical.  But should definitely be looked at.
[15:01] <jderose> yeah true, can be fixed post ISO. plus, it's just slightly annoying, not a deal breaker by any means
[15:03] <jderose> infinity: so there are d-i problems that were found? i mean, i'm assuming FOOBAR might not be code for "works perfectly in every way" :P
[15:04] <infinity> jderose: Yeah, I'm grabbing a mini.iso and server.iso to confirm right now.  Maybe I'm crazy, maybe davmor2 is.
[15:04] <infinity> Hotel wifi isn't being my bestest friend today, though.
[15:05] <jderose> infinity: gotcha. for what it's worth, i didn't find any problems with the server ISO (although we only test amd64, don't test i386)
[15:05] <infinity> He claimed amd64 was bust, so...
[15:05] <infinity> I'm considering blaming him instead. :P
[15:07] <jderose> infinity: guess it could be something unique to the mini ISO. that's also something we don't test
[15:08] <infinity> He claimed mini and server were both broken.
[15:08] <infinity> davmor2: Can you confirm exact versions you tested, and what qemu cmdline you use to reproduce your woes?
[15:08] <infinity> davmor2: We seem to have conflicting reports of awesomeness. ;)
[15:11] <infinity> davmor2: FWIW, a simple "kvm -m 2G -hda disk.img.server -cdrom mini.iso" worked fine here and got me a network.
[15:11] <davmor2> infinity: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial-updates/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso and http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/xenial/daily/current/
[15:12] <infinity> davmor2: "current" links don't fill me with confidence of versions being correct. :)
[15:12] <davmor2> infinity: command I use is kvm -m 2048 -vga qxl -cpu host --soundhw ac97 -cdrom Downloads/xenial-server-amd64.iso -hda kvm-images/ubuntu20hda.qcow2 -pflash kvm-images/bios.fd and replace the xenial-server-amd64 with mini.iso
[15:13] <davmor2> infinity: also I tested netboot on hardware
[15:13] <davmor2> same issue
[15:13]  * infinity tries your CLI.
[15:13] <davmor2> infinity: you'll need uefi in play
[15:13] <davmor2> maybe that is the cause
[15:14] <infinity> Oh, "bios.fd" is actually not a BIOS? :P
[15:14] <davmor2> I aslo have secureboot enabled on both kvm and hardware
[15:14] <jderose> davmor2: that could be. BIOS mode installs were fine for me, but i didn't test UEFI server installs
[15:15] <infinity> Might be easier for me to just reboot and play, then.  I never got around to setting up kvm with SB with Microsoft keys.
[15:15] <davmor2> infinity: bios.fd is the uefi file I pull from downloading uefi package that I can't remember the name of
[15:16] <infinity> /usr/share/qemu/OVMF.fd ?
[15:16] <davmor2> infinity: that's the one
[15:16] <infinity> Do you have the MS keys in your keyring?
[15:17] <davmor2> no it's /usr/share/ovmf/OVMF.FD iirc
[15:17] <jderose> infinity: yeah, i use the files from the ovmf package. but there is some trickiness using xenial or newer as the host, at least in my experience - http://blog.system76.com/post/139138591598/howto-qemu-w-ubuntu-xenial-host-uefi-guest
[15:17] <infinity> Same file. :)
[15:17] <davmor2> infinity: I do and I set it against shim
[15:17] <jderose> davmor2: so you're only hitting an issue with secure boot is enabled?
[15:18] <davmor2> jderose: let me turn it off and see
[15:18] <jderose> (i've still never gotten around to playing with secure boot with qemu, probably should at some point)
[15:20] <infinity> I'll have to bounce and look once this ISO is down.  A dmesg from the failing install would be good.
[15:20] <infinity> I'm guessing it might be refusing to validate module sigs or something, but I can't quite fathom WHY that would be.
[15:21] <davmor2> so with uefi only it gets past the issue so it is just secureboot
[15:21] <davmor2> let me double check it on hardware though
[15:22] <infinity> davmor2: Definitely want dmesg from the failed systems, then.
[15:23] <infinity> It's almost certainly our module sig validation patches in play, but they should be happy.
[15:23] <infinity> Hrm.  Unless the build system accidentally strips the sigs off the modules or something awful.
[15:23] <infinity> Will poke in 20m. :P
[15:23]  * infinity kicks the WiFi.
[15:24] <apw> davmor2, yeah can we get some dmesg output or something in the failing mode ...
[15:26] <davmor2> sorry was confirming with no secureboot on hw I get screwy gfx but it gets to networking now
[15:32] <apw> infinity, or whats in the udebs arn't signed
[15:32] <davmor2> apw, infinity: not the best d-i installer in the universe if I disable secureboot http://people.canonical.com/~davmor2/desktop-screenshots/screwy-gfx.jpg
[15:32] <apw> i assume the netboot uses udebs
[15:33] <infinity> apw: Indeed.
[15:34] <jderose> davmor2: i see the problem, the screen is too glossy! :P
[15:34] <davmor2> apw, infinity: any clues as to how to get dmesg of a system that has no usb or networking?
[15:35] <apw> infinity, ok picked random udeb ... they seem signed ... ~Module signature appended~
[15:35] <infinity> Paraphrase the bits that talk about loading the modules?
[15:35] <infinity> davmor2: How do I enable SB and inject MS's key in OVMF?
[15:37] <davmor2> infinity: see pm
[15:39] <xnox> davmor2, one should be able to run qemu kvm with uefi in serial mode, and then esentially $ cat /var/log/syslog should generate all the output in your terminal on the host....
[15:39] <xnox> pipe to pastebinit or some such
[16:06] <davmor2> apw, infinity: http://paste.ubuntu.com/20051421/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/20051642/  I'll try and dig out a /var/log/dmesg too but I couldn't find one so that is just the command dmesg and syslog
[16:06] <davmor2> xnox: mount the hd and wrote it there in the end ;)
[16:08] <infinity> [    0.000000] Secure boot enabled
[16:08] <infinity> Jul 19 15:44:31 hw-detect: modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'usb_storage': Required key not available
[16:08] <infinity> Huh.
[16:11] <apw> infinity, do you have shell, if so you could check what keys are in the keyring
[16:11] <infinity> apw: I will shortly.  That was from davmor2's paste up there.  I'll get to where he is in a few minutes.
[16:12] <davmor2> apw: I have shell open now if you tell me what to do I can do it
[16:13] <rtg> apw, didn't we have trouble with time of day impacting these keys once upon a time ?
[16:15] <apw> rtg, we had cases where if the first byte was 0 that they didn't work, so randomly, but that one looks long enough
[16:16] <rtg> apw, I was just thinking of the absolute platform time predated the MS cert, then it might cause issues
[16:16] <rtg> s/of/if/
[16:17] <rtg> hmm, RTC time: 15:44:21, date: 07/19/16
[16:17]  * xnox thought we explicitely fixed secureboot stuff to ignore time
[16:17] <xnox> are udebs signed, or just debs?
[16:17] <infinity> Yeah, my VM here has a sane time, that's not the issue.
[16:17] <rtg> xnox, keyrings are somewhat independent of secureboot
[16:18] <rtg> xnox, just .ko's
[16:18] <apw> xnox, i opened up block-modules and one i picked in there had some kind of signature appended
[16:18] <davmor2> I'll update the bug to say it is just secure boot
[16:21] <davmor2> apw, infinity: this is the bug I'm using feel free to swap it all about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/1604441 as it most likely isn't d-i now
[16:30] <infinity> Found the bug.
[16:30] <infinity> Spinning up test fix.
[16:31] <davmor2> infinity: yay \o/
[16:31] <rtg> in d-i ?
[16:31] <infinity> Yeah.
[16:31] <infinity> rtg: We miiiiight be stripping modules.
[16:31] <infinity> DERP.
[16:31] <rtg> doh!
[16:32] <davmor2> To quote Muttley Shuggin' fashin' shuggin' fashin' dick dastardly
[16:33] <infinity> Lobbing a test build at my PPA.
[16:34] <slangasek> tsimonq2: hi, did you happen to see the email I sent asking about lubuntu image sizes?  16.04.1 around the corner and everything's still reporting as 'oversized'
[16:34] <davmor2> infinity: but yay for iso testing
[16:38] <xnox> davmor2, well, we kept using old kernel with all d-i builds, so this is first d-i build with new kernel...
[17:03] <infinity> davmor2: http://ppa.launchpad.net/adconrad/ppa/ubuntu/dists/xenial/main/installer-amd64/20101020ubuntu451.4~ppa1/images/netboot/mini.iso
[17:03] <infinity> davmor2: Testing locally too.
[17:06] <davmor2> infinity: downloading
[17:08] <infinity> davmor2: Seems to get past that hump for me at least.
[17:08]  * infinity uploads.
[17:11] <infinity> pitti: ^-- Review, please.  The i386 image size bump is to match yakkety (for my peace of mind, and also because the slightly fatter modules didn't fit anymore :P)
[17:11] <wxl> infinity: just curious on the eta of that respin for trusty.
[17:12] <infinity> wxl: trusty?  It's still dailies...
[17:12] <infinity> wxl: Did you mean xenial?
[17:12] <wxl> infinity: derp. yes.
[17:12] <infinity> wxl: Once this d-i change lands, I'll rebuild the world.
[17:12] <infinity> wxl: So, likely an hour or two?
[17:12] <infinity> slangasek: Or if you'd like to take my d-i upload?
[17:13]  * infinity will self-review in 5m.
[17:13] <wxl> k cool. thx for your hard work infinity :)
[17:15] <pitti> infinity: done
[17:16] <xnox> infinity, is 5m as per bdmurray guidelines "long enough time pass i cannot even remember i did this"
[17:16] <infinity> xnox: Heh.
[17:16]  * xnox wants whatever infinity is drinking
[17:16] <infinity> xnox: Nothing, sadly.  Too sick to.
[17:17] <xnox> =(
[17:17] <xnox> oh.
[17:17] <rtg> infinity, 'Strop stripping modules' ?
[17:17] <infinity> rtg: Oh, close enough.
[17:18] <infinity> The best bit is that I've put that in three changelogs and pitti reviewed it, and no one noticed.
[17:18] <infinity> rtg: So, we'll just hone our stripping a bit.
[17:18] <infinity> With a strop.
[17:18] <pitti> Strop stipping?
[17:18] <rtg> razor sharp :)
[17:19] <xnox> Enterprise class engineering =)
[17:19] <infinity> The engineering bit was right.
[17:19] <infinity> It was the technical documentation that wasn't.
[17:19] <infinity> I'm okay with that.
[17:21] <infinity> Tempted to upload trusty with the same typo, just for consistency.
[17:21] <infinity> And lolz.
[17:22] <jderose> infinity: hehe :P
[17:23] <infinity> davmor2: I assume you got a successful install out of that?  I'm still mid-install on hotel WiFi, but at least all the module loading bits were good.
[17:59] <davmor2> infinity: sorry food got called, installing now
[17:59] <davmor2> install has an ip address and is downloading files \o/
[18:00] <davmor2> infinity: ^
[18:01] <davmor2> infinity: I'll continue with this install and confirm no further issues but I'm passed the point of failure previously
[18:36] <davmor2> infinity: I now have a booting desktop so I would say that is fixed I'll comment on the bug for pitti it'll be a pain in the arse to test the sru way so we'll stick with what we've done :)
[18:36] <pitti> davmor2: "test the sru way" hm? context?
[18:37] <davmor2> pitti: it's the debian installer how do you install it from proposed for a cd image?
[18:37] <infinity> davmor2: I'm testing "the SRU way" right now (as in, downloading the proper mini.iso)
[18:37] <infinity> But it should be identical to the PPA one I pointed you at.
[18:37] <pitti> davmor2: hm, I only know that for netboot
[18:38] <pitti> oh, we build mini.iso too, not just netboot images?
[18:38] <infinity> We do.  Which is much simpler to test for this case.
[18:39] <infinity> And yes, the mini.iso in proposed is also correct, as expected.
[18:39] <infinity> So, I'd call that v-done.
[18:39] <davmor2> pitti: I've tested infinity's build which works fine and I have a booting desktop
[18:40] <infinity> pitti: Cool with sru-releasing that now?
[18:40] <pitti> infinity: sure, it can't possibly break running systems
[18:41] <infinity> It could, if I try really hard.
[18:41] <infinity> Maybe with an embedded worm that turns every installer into an attacker.
[18:41] <infinity> Which, ironically, would require me fixing this bug first, since we couldn't load network drivers. :P
[18:44]  * infinity waits patiently for pitti's releasy magic.
[18:45] <davmor2> infinity: so if I grab the proposed server image that should have the fix right?
[18:50] <davmor2> apparently not :(
[18:52] <davmor2> infinity: seriously strop stripping modules ;)
[18:53] <infinity> :P
[18:53] <jderose> hehe
[18:53] <infinity> There is no new server image yet, that'll be built once the new d-i is in updates.
[18:53] <infinity> pitti: Did we miscommunicate?  Am I releasing that, or are you?  (or did you and LP is lagging?)
[18:56] <infinity> pitti: Right, assuming miscommunication and releasing myself. :)
[19:15] <rharper> hi, could someone let the curtin bzr399 package into proposed to replace the older 389?
[19:22] <infinity> rharper: The one with only 1/4 bugs tested and verified?
[19:22] <slangasek> infinity: he's asking for an overwrite of -proposed, not a release to -updates
[19:23] <infinity> Oh, trusty.
[19:23] <infinity> Nevermind.
[19:23] <infinity> I was looking at 399 already being in xenial.
[19:24] <rharper> slangasek: thanks for translating what I had in my mind  to the correct phrasing
[19:37] <infinity> pitti: Can you roll up some trusty langpacks in the next week?
[20:09] <jderose> infinity: are new respins in progress yet, or are you still waiting other packages?
[20:09] <infinity> jderose: Almost ready to start.  Another 10m or so before I start pushing buttons.
[20:09] <infinity> (Waiting on the publisher to finish)
[20:09] <jderose> infinity: awesome
[20:20] <xnox> so hot in the uk at the moment
[20:38] <infinity> jderose: Respinaroo is respinnering.
[20:38] <infinity> jderose: Do me a favour and poke a bunch of flavour leads to get their poop in a group?  After battling a clod all day and bugs all evening, I'm done. :P
[20:39] <jderose> infinity: respinerrific!
[20:39] <infinity> s/clod/cold/
[20:39] <jderose> infinity: hehe, well i could give it a try i guess, but that feels out of my jurisdiction :P
[20:39] <infinity> Jurisdictions are fuzzy.
[20:40] <jderose> true, true
[20:55] <bdmurray> is there a reason the xorg lts-xenial stack is still in proposed?
[20:57] <slangasek> infinity: ^^ ?
[20:58] <infinity> bdmurray: Because I'm waiting for Timo and friends to tell me it's awesome and tested.
[20:58] <bdmurray> infinity: Is there a timeline for that?
[20:58] <slangasek> ah, and also this is lts-xenial for trusty, so zero impact on 16.04.1
[20:59] <infinity> bdmurray: This week or early next, ideally, so dailies can stop using proposed.
[20:59] <infinity> bdmurray: I'll poke them some tomorrow.
[20:59] <infinity> slangasek: Right.
[23:40] <tsimonq2> slangasek: it is oversized (we still aim for CD size) and it's an issue that I don't think we will be able to address in time for 16.04.1
[23:44]  * tsimonq2 tests to see if the bug fix got in the daily image
[23:44] <tsimonq2> s/daily/16.04.1/
[23:54] <tsimonq2> infinity: ping, it's urgent, Lubuntu has no Alternate images: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily/20160718/ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily/20160719/
[23:54] <tsimonq2> infinity: those sirectories are empty
[23:54] <tsimonq2> *directories
[23:54] <tsimonq2> infinity: what's going on here?
[23:55] <tsimonq2> whoever else is on the release team as well, am I not seeing this correctly?
[23:55] <wxl> tsimonq2: did you check if other flavors/images are affected?
[23:56] <tsimonq2> wxl: let me see
[23:56] <wxl> i do know there was some sort of d-i image that was getting fixed
[23:56] <wxl> might want to check server specifically
[23:56] <jderose> infinity: furious round of testing with the latest RC ISOs at System76... no issues found. so shiny, so chrome.
[23:56] <tsimonq2> alright
[23:57] <tsimonq2> wxl, infinity: Ubuntu Server is NOT affected, this is only a Lubuntu Alternate image issue
[23:57] <wxl> tsimonq2: do you see any problem with any other image at all?
[23:57] <tsimonq2> checking


[13:13] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 https://twitter.com/kubuntu/status/1419308799500894220
 It was fun while it lasted...(or at least until 21.04 came out)  :)