[01:06] <Kobe_Lee> @happyaron,优客助手目前不存在777的文件了啊
[05:49] <Kobe_Lee> 呼叫happyaron
[08:00] <ypwong> JackYu, leonard and I are on the phone now
[08:00] <ypwong> Kobe_Lee, happyaron 现在在美国市区
[08:00] <ypwong> 时区
[08:06] <Kobe_Lee> ypwong,好的，我晚上联系他


[11:33] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[14:34] <mparillo> There were supposed to be new ISOs today, right? But if I am reading #ubuntu-release correctly, they may have a new LVM Encryption bug, so that needs to be fixed before the re-spin?
[14:43] <RikMills> likely
[14:45] <RikMills> oh, subiquity bug
 @MichaelTunnell, Another "big" feature that has not received much attention is KDE connect SMS integration. SMS from the desktop works very well.  It does not support pictures, yet but texting works great.
 @DarinMiller, great suggestion! thank you!
[17:25] -queuebot:#kubuntu-devel- Builds: Upgrade Kubuntu amd64 [Focal Final] has been updated (20200421)
[20:10] -queuebot:#kubuntu-devel- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Focal Final] has been updated (20200422)
 We have a new real RC image now to test!
[20:13] <RikMills> !testers
 live booting now...
[20:21] <valorie> woooooo!
[20:21]  * valorie is assigning GSoC slots today so ..... not testing yet
[20:21] <valorie> yesterday was supposed to be "back up the laptop" day
[20:22] <valorie> but instead was in hospital, so .... maybe later!
[20:23] <RikMills> yikes. yes. take it easy
[20:25] <valorie> so far, so good!
[21:43] <mparillo> In the hospital? Covid? zsyncing
 French install summary: l'installation était sans faille. Le plus excellent.
 Has anyone noticed manually connecting a wifi via the panel in live boot does not carry forward to the install.  But if the connection is made during the install, the connection is remembered after reboot?
[23:25] <valorie> @DarinMiller that sounds like a buglet to me
[23:26] <valorie> otoh, unsure *anything* carries over from the live session
[23:27] <valorie> unless you are chrooting in and tinkering with the file system or so
 I would classify it more as featurelet where the installer would notice an active wifi connection and prompt the user to carry it forward.  But I unless the ubiquity developers are bored and dying to add more features, it would not be worth the effort.


[01:09] <maheanuu> If anyone is seeing this, would you please email me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>as I am not seeing any conversations at all in here, although I do see my post after I send it....   I think that it is Mana causing the problem as I had a dickens of a time getting in here just now
[01:10] <aveilleux> maheanuu ping
[02:24] <deejoe> do we have anyone who speaks persian
[02:25] <deejoe> ?
[03:19] <johnny77> Anyone up for a conversation about how Gnome and KDE work?
[03:20] <johnny77>  I just read that Linux is like legos and Gnome and KDE are just packages. So can any "gnome" program work in KDE and vice versa?
[03:20] <aveilleux> johnny77: What do you mean by "work"?
[03:20] <collinp> Linux is like Legos, but with a singular base - the Linux kernel.
[03:20] <johnny77> aveilleux, how they are put together.
[03:20] <aveilleux> johnny77: As long as the libraries are there on the system, it doesn't matter if the program was written for GNOME or KDE
[03:21] <collinp> GNOME and KDE are both desktop environments. GNOME uses GTK while KDE uses QT, but you can run GTK applications on KDE or QT apps on GNOME.
[03:21] <johnny77> so the plasma desktop could be loaded in gnome?
[03:21] <aveilleux> johnny77: Programs written in Qt can run properly in GNOME (see Amarok) and any GTK program can run properly in KDE (see Brasero)
[03:21] <aveilleux> johnny77: Plasmids could, yes
[03:22] <collinp> The way KDE works is that most everything is dependent upon Plasma, so you would effectively be loading KDE on top of GNOME if you can do that.
[03:22] <aveilleux> johnny77: You'd generally not run both GNOME and KDE simultaneously, they do the same thing and it would just cause problems
[03:22] <aveilleux> johnny77: You can, however, run KDE programs on GNOME and vice-versa without a problem
[03:23] <johnny77> So I could completely drop the KDE panel and run the gnome panel or run both to get features of both.
[03:24] <aveilleux> johnny77: Theoretically, yes
[03:25] <johnny77> Honestly, I'm finding things in both I like, but don't really want to keep logging in and out. I'm trying to fingure out how I can combine the best of both to get what I want.
[03:26] <johnny77> I'm curious how the two work together and independently. i.e. If I load the gnome panel in KDE and edit it, when I log back into gnome will it retain the edit I made it KDE?
[03:26] <aveilleux> johnny77: Yes, the settings are retained.
[03:29] <johnny77> If I play around with something and it "breaks" KDE, I should be able to just log into gnome and reinstall KDE? Probably depends on how bad the break is, right?
[03:31] <aveilleux> johnny77: You always have the option of reinstallation, but a better idea would be to just clear the KDE settings
[03:34] <johnny77> Is there a way to make the icons on the gnome desktop only be on a certain workspace?
[03:34] <aveilleux> johnny77: Not that I'm aware of.
[03:36] <johnny77> aveilleux, that is one of my favorite features of KDE. I can set up a desktop for a certain function. And then switch to it, when I need to.
[03:36] <aveilleux> johnny77: GNOME handles the desktop differently
[03:38] <johnny77> And how it handles the desktop is a large part of what makes gnome gnome or KDE KDE, right?
[03:38] <johnny77> At least that is how I currently understand it.
[03:39] <aveilleux> johnny77: The desktop itself? That seems like very little of the desktop environment. The desktop itself is just a folder.
[03:39] <aveilleux> johnny77: The panels, window borders, menus and etc. are larger parts.
[03:42] <johnny77> it's hard to learn two similar, but different OS at the same time. It when I first start to understand, I get lost again.
[03:43] <aveilleux> johnny77: KDE and GNOME are not OSs. They are DEs, Desktop Environments.
[03:44] <_spacer_> hi room
[03:44] <johnny77> aveilleux, exactly! :)
[03:45] <johnny77> I think the most confusing thing, is coming from windows where window is both the OS and DE.
[03:45] <_spacer_> i am a complete ubuntu noob, attempting to achieve a fairly (at least it seems) complex task
[03:45] <aveilleux> _spacer_: What task
[03:45] <_spacer_> i want to run ubuntu 1010 headless, remotely
[03:45] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1010 in drivel (Ubuntu) "out-of-date (heat: 1)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1010
[03:46] <aveilleux> _spacer_: Graphically? It can't be done.
[03:46] <aveilleux> _spacer_: X configures itself intrinsically, meaning it has to have a monitor attached.
[03:46] <_spacer_> not at all?
[03:47] <Cheri703> once it is set up it can be aveilleux...
[03:47] <aveilleux> _spacer_: There's really no reason to. Everything that can be done graphcally can be done in the command-line
[03:47] <aveilleux> Cheri703: No. You can't boot properly into the graphical environment without a monitor attached.
[03:47] <Cheri703> I did it earlier today
[03:47] <Cheri703> and then remote desktopped into it
[03:48] <Cheri703> because I moved my computer and hadn't hooked up the monitor yet and needed a file
[03:48] <aveilleux> Cheri703: I've been trying to do this since 9.04. The VNC engine won't run without a proper X session. Unless you set up a virtual X host, which is godawful to set up.
[03:48] <Cheri703> uhm, I did it earlier today
[03:48] <_spacer_> i dont doubt that, but i have very little experience with this system
[03:48] <Cheri703> I have it set to auto login, and I turned it on, it did its thing, and then I was able to access it
[03:49] <_spacer_> ok monitor or no, no big deal at this point
[03:49] <aveilleux> Cheri703: X refuses to start entirely without a monitor, or boots into safe graphics mode and won't let you connect until a user logs in (which is interrupted by the safe mode warning dialog)
[03:50] <aveilleux> _spacer_: Look into SSH. It's a command-line remote login system. Literally everything that has a graphical system can be done with the command-line (apart from obviously graphical things, like games)
[03:50] <Cheri703> ok, aveilleux I get what you're saying, but I did it earlier today. I went in via remote desktop with NO monitor connected, got transmission running, did my downloads via the web interface, then later hooked up the monitor, AGAIN remoted into it, opened "monitors" and then it recognized and came up
[03:50] <_spacer_> i am using remote x11vnc, and the ssl/ssh vnc client
[03:50] <aveilleux> _spacer_: This has nothing to dow ith VNC.
[03:50] <aveilleux> with*
[03:50] <_spacer_> im getting hung up on reboot
[03:51] <Cheri703> I also ssh -X 'd into it without the monitor hooked up
[03:51] <aveilleux> _spacer_: Yes, because X (the graphical environment) can't start properly without a monitor.
[03:51] <aveilleux> _spacer_: Look into PuTTY. Text-mode.
[03:51] <Cheri703> I am using the older kernel, so maybe that's got something to do with it, but...
[03:51] <Cheri703> it still works
[03:51] <aveilleux> Cheri703: Some hardware starts with a virtual monitor, that could be it. Certain types of video cards do, that is
[03:51] <_spacer_> there is a monitor attached for now, ideally i'd like to loose it but if i cant then it is fine for now
[03:52] <aveilleux> _spacer_: What are you looking to do on this system?
[03:52] <Cheri703> I will try it with a different video card, just to check
[03:52] <Cheri703> give me a bi
[03:52] <Cheri703> *bit
[03:53] <_spacer_> i have putty aswell, doesn't seem to be required with the ssl/ssh version of tight vnc
[03:53] <aveilleux> _spacer_: Ignore VNC. Answer my question, please.
[03:53] <_spacer_> well at the moment, iam
[03:53] <_spacer_> what i want to do with this system?
[03:54] <aveilleux> _spacer_: Yes.
[03:54] <_spacer_> mostly just to learn the system, i'd love to be free of the windows environment
[03:54] <_spacer_> a couple of things are of interest
[03:54] <aveilleux> _spacer_: A headless system is not the best learning point for Linux.
[03:55] <_spacer_> 1 a file server
[03:56] <_spacer_> i'm sure its not but if i can tuck the case away in my closet and access it from my laptop, well that would be pretty cool
[03:56] <Cheri703> aveilleux, _spacer_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System
[03:56] <aveilleux> _spacer_: You can do everything you want to do with that from command-line.
[03:56] <Cheri703> x is designed to be used over a network and NOT specifically through attached harware
[03:57] <Cheri703> *hardware
[03:57] <Cheri703> aveilleux: as a new person, they may not WANT to use the command line, whether possible or not
[03:57]  * Cheri703 doesn't want to if avoidable
[03:57] <aveilleux> Cheri703: It will simplify matters a hundredfold.
[03:58] <Cheri703> not to people used to gui's
[03:58] <aveilleux> _spacer_: I run two servers from command-line, and they operate as Web, file, SHOUTcast and game servers. And they run from command-line.
[03:58] <Cheri703> and a lot of people are comfortable with that, a lot of people are not
[03:59] <Cheri703> _spacer_: check this link out: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO.html
[03:59] <Cheri703> sorry if you're getting caught in the middle there _spacer_
[04:00] <_spacer_> thats the thing, like most people i learnt on a gui system.  i'm planning on learning the command line, but my wife is up one side of me and down the other for all these friggen computer and cables all over the place
[04:00] <_spacer_> no worries
[04:00] <Cheri703> yeah, I'm a gui person who learns cli as needed :)
[04:00] <paultag> _spacer_, rock out with the GUI until you're cool with it
[04:00] <Cheri703> hopefully that xdmcp thing will help
[04:00] <paultag> _spacer_, keep at it. Cheri703 rocks, listen to her :)
[04:00] <Cheri703> _spacer_: one thing that may have helped mine was to set up auto login, it's under system > administration > login screen
[04:01] <Cheri703> ha! I'm still learning
[04:01] <_spacer_> thanks paul i will
[04:01] <Cheri703> that way you don't end up with it stuck in limbo or something
[04:01] <Cheri703> I have NO idea if that is the missing piece, but something to try
[04:01] <Cheri703> also you will need to set up the password for connecting (this threw me for a while)
[04:01] <_spacer_> thats one other thing i was tring to avoid... auto login
[04:01] <Cheri703> ok, hang on then, one sec
[04:02] <_spacer_> i actually tried to use that but i was getting hung up on the whole keyring pass thingy
[04:02] <_spacer_> sure sp
[04:02] <Cheri703> ok, go to system > preferences > remote desktop
[04:03] <_spacer_> ok
[04:03] <Cheri703> and I know you're using some other vnc program, but start there, set up access
[04:03] <_spacer_> ok there
[04:04] <Cheri703> ok, that *should* let you log in via vnc from another comp, and I *think* you have to be logged in to use that
[04:04] <_spacer_> i have allow view, control
[04:04] <_spacer_> and user pass thats it, oh and never display and icon
[04:05] <_spacer_> + my network ip
[04:05] <Cheri703> yeah, put in a password on that, yeah
[04:06] <Cheri703> then try from another computer, just to check that you have access
[04:06] <_spacer_> yeah if i reboot, im done.  need to run down and enter the pass word
[04:06] <_spacer_> oh i can vnc np, its the whole login thats messin me up
[04:07] <Cheri703> ok, so that's where we will try the auto login, just to check things out. I will look to see if there's another method (probably is)
[04:07] <Cheri703> oh, ok...sorry, was confused on that
[04:07] <Cheri703> ok, so go to system > administration > login screen and choose the auto login
[04:07] <Cheri703> might have to go to users and choose "not asked at login" or something
[04:07] <_spacer_> i read somewhere about ssh into the box, login that way is that a possibility?
[04:08] <Cheri703> uhm, maybe? I have ssh'd, but not to do that
[04:08] <_spacer_> i can get in via ssh, but unable to start the vnc server
[04:08] <_spacer_> or display for that matter
[04:09] <Cheri703> AH, ok
[04:09] <Cheri703> you want just file server mainly?
[04:09] <Cheri703> at the moment?
[04:09]  * Cheri703 got distracted by all of the other stuff
[04:10] <Cheri703> from terminal type: ssh -X IPAddressOfServerComputer
[04:10] <Cheri703> wait...are you on a linux computer now?
[04:10] <Cheri703> sorry...I need to ask these things first
[04:10] <_spacer_> really just want to be able to have complete control of the desktop remotely, file server and all that stuff is secondary
[04:10] <Cheri703> ok
[04:10] <_spacer_> yes i am running both at the moment
[04:10] <Cheri703> because you can access files graphically via ssh, but not the desktop that way
[04:10] <Cheri703> ok
[04:11] <Cheri703> from terminal type: ssh -X IPAddressOfServerComputer  it will ask you to confirm stuff and login and whatnot
[04:11] <_spacer_> i am running xp on my laptop (for now)
[04:11] <Cheri703> ok
[04:11] <Cheri703> nvm
[04:11] <Cheri703> sorry
[04:11] <Cheri703> why don't you want it to auto login?
[04:12] <_spacer_> oh sorry,flippin touchpad just went all wrangy on me
[04:13] <Cheri703> np
[04:13] <_spacer_> i dont want to auto login because i have a 15 yo son
[04:13] <Cheri703> ahhh...ok
[04:13] <Cheri703> that makes sense :)
[04:13] <Cheri703> hmm...
[04:13] <_spacer_> hey is currently on internet ban, and would do anyhting to get on his msn
[04:14] <Cheri703> understandable
[04:14] <_spacer_> ok so where were we
[04:14] <Cheri703> I'm pondering
[04:14] <Cheri703> I think we got thrown off track initially by the whole boot into x headlessly or not topic
[04:15] <Cheri703> so here's what I understand: you want to a. be headless, b. have full desktop control, c. not auto-login
[04:15] <_spacer_> you got it exactly
[04:15] <_spacer_> am i asking too much?
[04:15] <Cheri703> I don't think so
[04:15] <Cheri703> a. should not be a problem
[04:15] <Cheri703> b. in theory shouldn't be a problem
[04:15] <_spacer_> i didn't think so either
[04:16] <Cheri703> c. is where I'm not super familiar but I will look
[04:16] <shahan> Hello
[04:17] <Cheri703> hi
[04:17] <_spacer_> if you can do anything from command line, then it shouldn't be a stretch to think that the login could be satisfied from ssh session
[04:17] <shahan> I have a xubuntu 10.10 cd, now I want to create an .iso from this cd and want to store the .iso on my PC
[04:18] <_spacer_> can you not download the .iso?
[04:18] <Cheri703> yeah, I think I've found something
[04:18] <Cheri703> _spacer_: see if this is helpful/makes sense: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8913391&postcount=10
[04:19] <Cheri703> shahan: if you can't download it, you *may* be able to use brasero (or whatever the xubuntu equivalent is, I have no idea) to create the iso, I would suggest testing it once created though
[04:20] <_spacer_> reading brb
[04:20] <_spacer_> thx btw
[04:20] <shahan> Cheri703, I am on Maverick. just want to create the .iso from that xubuntu cd..... ok... I am trying
[04:21] <Cheri703> shahan: in brasero, it'd be the "disc copy" option
[04:22] <Cheri703> _spacer_: no problem :) if you can deal with my fumbling over myself, and something helpful is in there, then awesome :)
[04:22] <shahan> ChanServ, its for cd/dvd to cd/dvd  copy
[04:23] <Cheri703> no, you can choose image file
[04:24] <Cheri703> under "select disc to write to" there should be the option for "image file"
[04:25] <_spacer_> read thru looks like it makes sense, im gonna give it a go.
[04:25] <Cheri703> good luck!
[04:25] <Cheri703> let me know if it works
[04:25] <Cheri703> I'm going to bookmark that page :)
[04:34] <_spacer_> yeah, its getting late gonna try in the am, thx for your help.  I'll stop back in tomorrow and let you know how it works out.
[04:34] <_spacer_> thanks for all your help either way.
[04:34] <Cheri703> kk, sure :) have a good night
[04:34] <_spacer_> and you
[04:35] <Cheri703> shahan: did you find it?
[05:04] <shahan> Cheri703, Brasero is creating a .toc file
[05:04] <shahan> its not .iso file
[05:04] <Cheri703> hmm...
[05:05] <Cheri703> http://www.sajeshcherian.com/2010/08/convert-brasero-images-into-iso-format.html
[05:09] <shahan> Cheri703, tnx... hope it will be helpful.
[05:09] <Cheri703> sure
[05:10] <shahan> electricity gone....
[05:10] <shahan> will be back after an hour
[05:10] <shahan> bye
[05:10] <Cheri703> k, bye
[05:40] <ggeorgy> hi ? :)  how create a shortcut to a sh file? :)
[05:44] <JoeMaverickSett> ggeorgy: right click > Make link > drag that link to anywhere you want :)
[05:46] <ggeorgy> ok thanks :)
[06:29] <shahan> back
[07:10] <safetynet> This is a new install of Meercat, I download a file and cannot find it in the "Download" folder under "Places" Any idea's what going on ? ?
[07:11] <safetynet> Ah never mind I found it.......
[07:40] <shahan> I am from xubuntu now
[07:42] <Rahi> how can I add ubuntu repository on xubuntu?
[07:43] <Rahi> repositoy is not downloading anything
[07:44] <hobgoblin> Rahi: if you added it did you also update?
[07:46] <Rahi> hobgoblin no
[07:47] <hobgoblin> then you need to - add repository - update - stuff in new repo available
[07:47] <hobgoblin> no idea what gui tool is available in xubuntu - but in a terminal sudo apt-get update will work
[07:48] <Rahi> hmm.... xubuntu 's gui is not strong ....
[07:48] <Rahi> have many bugs I think
[08:03] <bioterror> I would like to know about these bugs
[08:10] <hobgoblin> bioterror: I think bug in this case = I don't know what I need to do as I can't find it
[08:10] <bioterror> dont say it like that! the problem is never between the seat and the display
[08:56] <shahan> getting no sound on my MAVERICK
[09:35] <jappie> bioterror, sorry I never reacted yesterday...my internet connection had problems and it took nearly all day to get it fixed! You were saying about my imap problem that I have to adjust where I store my send emails?
[09:37] <bioterror> oh
[09:37]  * bioterror hamemrs head
[09:37] <bioterror> hammers
[09:37] <bioterror> I dont have a evolution near me (i'm at work ;)
[09:38] <bioterror> maybe I could soon try go google something
[09:44] <jappie> bioterror, thanks! Kind of a bummer that it won;t work well with evolution. ...I tried a bunch but maybe I have to switch back to pop3 or something.
[09:45] <bioterror> no you dont
[09:45] <bioterror> pop3 is not an option
[09:45] <jappie> that's what I hoped for:-)
[09:46] <jappie> ps..any idea why my media-tech mt40290 webcam will not work with actual calls in skype? I works fine in skype test mode.
[09:53] <bioterror> jappie, it might take a while from to get evolution running. so I'm hoping someone with already running evolution could help you
[09:53] <bioterror> I'm stuck for another 5 to 6 hours at my work plus an hour for traveling back to home ;)
[09:55] <jappie> bioterror, now worries and no hurries! If anybody else can help great, if not I can wait until tonight or tomorrow! Thanks !
[09:56] <bioterror> yeah, I'll help you as soon as I can
[09:56] <bioterror> I'll promise ;)
[10:00] <jappie> bioterror, I really appreciate it;-)
[10:00] <jappie> good luck at work!
[10:00] <bioterror> well
[10:00] <bioterror> moving profiles over network
[10:01] <bioterror> I just noticed that this chick has some m4a files and moving her profile folder takes a little longer than it usually takes. I should have walked downstairs, take her laptop and use usb drive
[10:15] <LeMoiLib> Hello world! I have this error when trying to update my packages:
[10:15] <LeMoiLib> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ lucid/partner Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.canonical.com_ubuntu_dists_lucid_partner_binary-i386_Packages)
[10:15] <LeMoiLib> Does anyone know what's wrong?
[10:15] <LeMoiLib> thanks
[10:16] <bioterror> you have same source twice
[10:16] <bioterror> open your software sources from synaptics or what every you use and check it
[10:18] <LeMoiLib> hi bio, looking....
[10:24] <LeMoiLib> Bio I found the same source twice and I remove one! It works fine now thanks. Bio, I know its not the place here but you might be able to help me, which channel do I go to if I have some programming issues?
[10:24] <bioterror> I'm not a programmer :)
[10:24] <bioterror> I'm local it support guy at tv/radio station ;)
[10:38] <ManikDepresif> hi
[10:39] <ManikDepresif> I have a question regarding to HP ProLiant Microserver and ubuntu installation
[10:39] <ManikDepresif> anyone can help around?
[10:51] <bioterror> http://www.sophos.com/blogs/gc/g/2010/10/27/firefox-hit-critical-zeroday-vulnerability/
[10:58] <LeMoiLib> Hey bio, hope still around! My old notebook just went to one of his long inner meditative state! I really admire you supporting other at tv/radio! I'm not a programmer myself, actually only lot of books with theory. But I wanted to learn on my own, but I promise you that's not easy! You'll hardly found a manual out where they don't assume basic clicking is obvious! The book you have to learn are not IDE specific unless sponsored by M$. Result ne
[11:03] <bioterror> hmmm
[11:03] <bioterror> result ne
[11:03] <bioterror> ends there
[12:11] <kristian-aalborg> hi all
[12:11] <friTTe|> hi
[12:16] <kristian-aalborg> how do I stop linux from looking for my soundcard at startup?
[12:17] <kristian-aalborg> it doesn't find it, so I added it to a startup script.. thus there is no use of spending time on it during the "regular" boot
[12:25] <friTTe|> but it works ok?
[12:44] <kristian-aalborg> yes
[12:44] <kristian-aalborg> I'm just looking to maximize boot time ;)
[12:49] <bioterror> kristian-aalborg, you have to download kernel source and compile with minimal hardware configuration
[12:49] <kristian-aalborg> can't I just throw in a # somewhere?
[12:49] <bioterror> maximize boot time sounds fun
[12:50] <kristian-aalborg> bioterror: it is
[12:50] <bioterror> did you rather mean "minimize" :D
[12:50] <kristian-aalborg> maximize it from the viewpoint of the user, that is ;)
[12:50]  * kristian-aalborg saved it
[12:54] <bioterror> kristian-aalborg, http://www.linuxdocs.org/HOWTOs/Kernel-HOWTO.html start from there
[12:55] <kristian-aalborg> thanks, but kernel-building is beyond my capabilities
[12:55] <kristian-aalborg> there must be a script where I can disable looking for the sound card
[12:55] <bioterror> my lubuntu boots fast
[12:56] <kristian-aalborg> so does my slitaz... I'm just slightly annoyed by this
[12:56] <duanedesign> kristian-aalborg: have you looked at Bootchart yet? It automatically makes a chart of your system’s boot performance.
[12:56] <bioterror> I cant understand how disabling soundcard would make it "faster"
[12:56] <kristian-aalborg> it spends time looking for it... then does not find it
[12:56] <bioterror> ahhh, it was searching for something that doesnt work
[12:56] <kristian-aalborg> yes
[12:58] <kristian-aalborg> it does work, due to a line I added in some configuration file or other... but not via the normal boot
[13:46] <danielmontt> Hello, I have a problem with Ubuntu 10.04; I can run the Live CD with option "noapic", no problem, it runs quite well, then I install it to the hard drive and when it starts after a while it hangs up and that's it
[13:48] <yip> I got something weird. I tried installing frontpage with Wine. Something went terribly wrong and now I can uninstall it anymore. I re-started my machine and now when I start my Evolution mail I get a dialogscreen "openshh" which will not go away and I don;t want to type any of my passwords here...help please
[13:51] <yip> now suddenly the openshh disappeard....do I need to be worried?
[16:00] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[18:37] <jappie> I think I have a problem; When I start Evolution I get a "openshh" terminal and it won't let em do anything except write a password. I can't close the terminal and all other applications are not accessible. ON my desktop appears the message "could not grab keyboard. A malicous client maybe eavesdropping on your session". Not sure if it is related but this started appearing after  installed some software with Wine and this went wron
[18:37] <jappie> g and could not uninstall it(  I finally managed to uninstall but "openssh" keeps poping up in Evolution.  How do I close/stop this...
[18:39] <jappie> brb
[18:39] <bioterror> hi jappie
[18:39] <bioterror> just got home from work
[18:50] <jappie> hi Bioterror..
[18:50] <bioterror> hi
[18:50] <jappie> hope u had a good day!
[18:50] <bioterror> well
[18:50] <bioterror> I had to buy some chocolate and grapefruit limonade for my wife
[18:51] <jappie> must have mad her happy;-)
[18:51] <bioterror> well, hope so
[18:51] <jappie> I hope so too....mine is sometimes less easy to please...
[18:52] <bioterror> well
[18:52] <bioterror> about evolution
[18:52] <jappie> yes please
[18:53] <jappie> did you read about my openssh problem?
[18:54] <bioterror> well
[18:54] <bioterror> sounds weird
[18:55] <jappie> yes..it worries me! I did try to change some email setting for the imap to see if had some effect but that was much ealier.
[18:56] <jappie> When I use Wine or virtual box with XP installed, can I get Window virusses and such or no?
[18:56] <bioterror> trojans you might get ;)
[18:56] <bioterror> and basic malmware
[18:56] <bioterror> but that machine should be behind NAT
[18:57] <jappie> so should install anti-virus in VB and Wine?
[18:57] <jappie> what is NAT?
[18:57] <bioterror> Network Address Translation
[18:58] <jappie> ps...I do have Ubuntu Firewall installed and does not show anything in its log
[18:59] <bioterror> you should have AppArmor by default
[19:01] <jappie> Any ideas what I can do to get rid of the openshh?
[19:02] <bioterror> jappie, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1008906
[19:03] <bioterror> I use openssh all the time
[19:03] <bioterror> you dont want to get rid of that?
[19:05] <jappie> I want to get rid of the fact when I open Evolution that it brings up openshh and everything freezes.  ;D
[19:30] <bioterror> jappie, Edit -> Preferences -> Mail Accounts -> Edit your account -> Defaults tab -> Sent Message Folder -> Choose your remote folder
[19:36] <jappie> im back....will start what u suggested...
[19:43] <jappie> Bioterror...U R the MAN!!!! It works great!
[19:44] <bioterror> ofkooz ;)
[19:47] <jappie> bioterror,  (I think...oeps) I figured out what it was with the openshh. I created a new email account and played around with the (wrong) options. I deleted this account from Evolution and now the openshh is gone. I will re-create it in a minute and configure it correctly.
[19:52] <bioterror> :)
[21:44] <kosaidpo> hello
[21:44] <kosaidpo> any idea how to kno the size of the installed packages ?
[22:26] <zeacuss> hello
[22:27] <zeacuss> \what is this
[22:27] <zeacuss> is this a chat
[22:27] <zeacuss> ?
[22:33] <aveilleux> Well then.
[22:38] <ibuclaw> lol
[23:20] <johnny77> I was looking for a gmail notifier in KDE and found that Google has developed one. I've pastebinned how they told me to install. Now while I trust Google, I'm curious from a learning point what they are telling me to do. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/521044/
[23:22] <aveilleux> johnny77: They're having you download the source and compile it yourself
[23:22] <aveilleux> johnny77: Instead of using sudo make install, though, you should do sudo checkinstall
[23:24] <johnny77> aveilleux: thanks again!
[23:27] <johnny77> aveilleux: do you use or familiar with KDE 4.5?
[23:27] <aveilleux> johnny77: No, not really
[23:27] <johnny77> aveilleux: ok, just checking.
[23:32] <johnny77> In trying to install gmail notifier made by google I ran into this error http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/521049/ Can anyone help?


[06:59] <robitaille> @topic
[08:06] <damned> morning all
[10:32] <GNAM> @schedule rome
[10:32] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 04 Jul 22:00: Technical Board | 05 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jul 21:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[02:07] <Ro1> hi
[05:34] <Hobbsee> @schedule sydney
[05:34] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 05 Jul 06:00: Technical Board | 06 Jul 06:00: Edubuntu | 07 Jul 05:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 07 Jul 06:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 12:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[05:35] <Hobbsee> there is no way in the universe i'm getting up for that.
[05:35] <Hawkwind> Just stay up from the night before :)
[05:37] <Hobbsee> heh, no way
[05:37] <Hobbsee> i'm not that much of a lover of being shot.
[05:37] <Hawkwind> Hah
[06:03] <sivang> @schdule Israel
[06:03] <sivang> @schedule Israel
[06:03] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Israel: 04 Jul 23:00: Technical Board | 05 Jul 23:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Jul 15:00: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 05:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[06:04] <dholbach> @worldcup berlin
[06:04] <dholbach> :-p
[06:04] <sivang> hehe
[06:10] <Ubugtu> Dholbach: Germany is going to loose anyway
[06:11] <Meyer> brazil already lost :(
[06:11] <dholbach> Ubugtu: I might agree.
[06:26] <ogra> dholbach, bah, nothing of the new german patriotism in your blood ?
[06:26] <ogra> (even though that seems to switch off brain cells)
[06:29] <Meyer> ogra, some?? brazilians are dead stupid on world cups...
[06:29] <ogra> hehe, well, germany is just changing a lot ...
[06:30] <ogra> i think its the first time people actually carry the german flag in the streets where it was something people threw weird looks at you if you did that a year ago
[06:33] <ogra> s/where/while/
[08:09] <Meyer> ogra, everyone was using the yellow jersey on the streets until the last game.. :P the streets here were all painted green and yellow... and almost every car had a little brazilian flag hanging out...
[08:14] <ogra> Meyer, well, in germany we have this history problem ... its not cool to carry a german flag and commit public to patriotism here since 1945 its a noticeable major change
[08:16] <Meyer> i know.. :)
 magic 8ball: will germany win the worldcup?
 Of course
[10:01] <Seveas> dholbach, --^
[10:16] <dholbach> Seveas: :-)


[09:51] <raviloop> hello
[09:51] <raviloop> my PC is p4 , ram :2gb, processor : core 2 duo, which OS should i use
[09:52] <raviloop> i instlaled ubuntu 16.04 LTS, but it becomes quite slow when i use netbeans sort of softwares
[09:55] <raviloop_> hello
[09:55] <raviloop_> my PC is p4 , ram :2gb, processor : core 2 duo, which OS should i use
[09:55] <raviloop_> which linux distro will be perfect
[09:55] <raviloop_> is it Lubuntu?
[10:01] <raviloop_> is anyone there?
[11:56] <heybroken> Hey buddys, have some problems here with instalation. Can someone help me? This is what happens when i trying to install lubuntu on my pc http://i.imgur.com/kJNWeql.jpg
[11:57] <heybroken> Im tryed with nomodeset also
[11:58] <heybroken> Also i see error E[Xorg[1052]] failed to idle channel 0xcccc0000 [Xorg[4414]]
[11:59] <heybroken> In blackscreen after this grafic glitch
[12:40] <dudz> tried with another graphics card heybroken ?
[18:12] <jani_> Jo
[18:57] <Fr_Dae> hi, i'm on Lubuntu 16.10x64, and after a update, lxpanel don't run on autostart, do you know why and how fix it ? thanks


[00:57] <bkero> lol I know the sysadmins there.
[00:58] <bkerensa> :D
[00:58] <bkero> Under fitzhugh and phong


[00:24] <tsimonq2> where could I find all of the UDS sessions after this upcoming one? YouTube?
[01:30] <hallyn> ok, if i switch vmbuilder from Architecture:all to :any, that should be ok?  (it builds fine on power8)
[01:33] <hallyn> hm, no
[01:33] <hallyn> maybe i shouldn't have to,
[01:40] <tsimonq2> and why do some package updates go to wily first instead of xenial?
[01:57] <cyphermox> tsimonq2: that doesn't sound right, packages would go to xenial now, wily is released. the usual process is that stable updates should land in the development release before they are uploaded to wily.
[02:02] <tsimonq2> well obviously not
[02:03] <tsimonq2> -16 is in xenial-proposed
[02:03] <tsimonq2> -17 is in wily-proposed
[02:03] <tsimonq2> (kernel)
[02:03] <tsimonq2> Why?
[02:06] <tsimonq2> cyphermox: or is that irregular?
[02:08] <cyphermox> tsimonq2: I suppose they're fixing bugs in wily and there's a good reason why it didn't land in xenial first
[02:08] <tsimonq2> cyphermox: but usually that doesn't happen?
[02:08] <cyphermox> (possibly because they're in the process of preparing a new shiny other kernel for xenial)
[02:09] <cyphermox> no, usually stuff lands in xenial first, on the premise that stuff should be tested in the devel release before the fix is send to wily-proposed.
[02:09] <tsimonq2> cyphermox: do you know if upstream packages(Debian) go to xenial, and if so, what repo? main? universe?
[02:10] <tsimonq2> cyphermox: or is that conditional
[02:10] <tsimonq2> cyphermox: and if so how is that controlled
[02:11] <infinity> tsimonq2: The kernel is a unique snowflake.  Once it's ready to move from wily-proposed to wily-updates, I'll copy it to xenial as well.
[02:11] <infinity> (Until 4.3.0 lands in xenial)
[02:11] <tsimonq2> infinity: got it :)
[02:11] <tsimonq2> infinity: can YOU answer that question that I just asked him?
[02:12] <infinity> You could probably answer it yourself with some Googling.
[02:12] <infinity> But we autosync from Debian until Debian Import Freeze (in a few months).
[02:12] <tsimonq2> infinity: but you would give me the answer I want, as I want it
[02:12] <tsimonq2> infinity: but would it go to main?
[02:12] <infinity> Not if it's not already in main.
[02:13] <tsimonq2> infinity: but how would I get it from Debian into main instead of universe?
[02:13] <tsimonq2> (would do it in the future, just curious)
[02:13] <infinity> You'd file a Main Inclusion Request and make a case for why you think we should support it.
[02:14] <tsimonq2> and where's that>
[02:14] <tsimonq2> and what are the requirements for packages in main?
[02:14] <infinity> Seriously, Google a bit dude.  Just a little.
[02:14]  * infinity goes back to his vacation.
[02:14] <tsimonq2> sorry
[02:15]  * ScottK read that as vaccination for a moment.
[02:15] <tsimonq2> XD
[05:58] <tjaalton> infinity: btw, added a debdiff for vivid on the initramfs-tools bug which adds kernel/ubuntu/i915 modules to copy, but wonder if I should just upload?
[06:46] <pitti> Good morning
[07:53] <dholbach> good morning
[07:54] <seb128> hey dholbach
[07:54] <dholbach> hey seb128
[07:54] <seb128> wgrant, hey, did you have any chance to debug the evolution/e-d-s translation issue on launchpad?
[08:17] <LocutusOfBorg1> hi folks, does freenode have an ubuntu channel for xserver folks?
[08:17] <LocutusOfBorg1> wrt #1511649
[08:23] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg1, there was #ubuntu-x, unsure if it's still active, but you can also try to grab tjaalton or robert_ancell
[08:25] <tjaalton> #ubuntu-x is still there
[08:25] <tjaalton> LocutusOfBorg1: merge is pending
[08:26] <tjaalton> I've done it locally already
[08:26] <tjaalton> just have five critical bugs to sort out before end of next week, so had to postpone testing this
[08:31] <LocutusOfBorg1> tjaalton, WOW thanks!
[08:32] <LocutusOfBorg1> well, in my ppa is already built
[08:32] <LocutusOfBorg1> please be aware of the new wrapper
[08:32] <LocutusOfBorg1> https://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xorg-server/news/20150821T010032Z.html
[08:32] <tjaalton> I know
[08:32] <LocutusOfBorg1> I did add xserver-xorg-legacy to virtualbox-x11 package, because it still need a root x mode (upstream is working on this)
[08:33] <LocutusOfBorg1> and on ubuntu xenial it is currently failing to migrate in -release because of the installation test failure
[08:33] <tjaalton> know that too :)
[08:33] <LocutusOfBorg1> wonderful, so I'm happy to see you taking care of it
[08:33] <LocutusOfBorg1> :D
[08:33] <tjaalton> yes, maybe next week
[08:33] <tjaalton> maybe the week after
[08:34]  * LocutusOfBorg1 is wondering if we can have something like "make the package mandatory if exists, don't install otherwise", without playing with rules file
[08:34] <LocutusOfBorg1> tjaalton, not a problem, actually my wonder was an answer like "ubuntu don't want to have this wrapper"
[08:35] <LocutusOfBorg1> but if you plan to merge it, it is fine then, and I hope to remove the legacy dependency before xenial release anyway
[08:41] <tjaalton> yep
[10:27] <pitti> cjwatson: looking at bug 1511376 to do the equivalent finish-install fix in ubiquity
[10:27] <pitti> cjwatson: as ubiquity doesn't actually (seem to) use the finish-install udeb
[10:28] <pitti> cjwatson: I wondered, woudl ubiquity/install_misc.py chroot_cleanup() be an appropriate place for that, or is there a better one?
[10:28] <pitti> cjwatson: i. e. to set /target/etc/mtab -> /proc/self/mounts
[11:22] <cjwatson> pitti: That doesn't feel like the right place, no.  I'd suggest somewhere in scripts/plugininstall.py:Install
[11:22] <cjwatson> There's a bunch of fairly ad-hoc finalisation tasks in there
[11:23] <pitti> cjwatson: ah, thank you
[12:28] <cyphermox> good morning
[12:37] <mdeslaur> good morning cyphermox
[14:44] <dupingping> Hi, everybody.
[14:44] <dupingping> Who made the page? http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/desktop/models/?release=12.04+LTS&category=Desktop&category=Laptop
[14:44] <dupingping> How about modify it as follow?
[14:44] <dupingping> http://people.ubuntu.com/~dupingping86/
[14:45] <dupingping> I just designed this page.
[15:09] <seb128> bdmurray, hey, could you explain those
[15:09] <seb128> "Your upload of nautilus version 1:3.10.1-0ubuntu9.9 to trusty has resulted in an error that was first reported about this version of the package.  The error follows:
[15:09] <seb128> https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/c96cb327d13f20d2ae77c13634dd34454a57e6cf"
[15:09] <seb128> but the table has reports for the 7 previous versions
[15:10] <seb128> could you let that nautilus update in? the regressions mentioned are false ones
[15:11] <bdmurray> seb128: in that case the problem didn't exist in or wasn't reported about 9.8 and that particular issue should be ignored, however I think there are some legitimate ones.
[15:11] <seb128> which ones?
[15:12] <bdmurray> https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/ddc9b270a643149cf4e73a57de6c326d8a468fb0
[15:13] <seb128> bdmurray, that has reports on 1:3.10.1-0ubuntu9.3
[15:13] <seb128> it's just not common
[15:13] <bdmurray> but not on ubuntu8 which was the one in the release pocket
[15:13] <dupingping> http://people.ubuntu.com/~dupingping86/
[15:13] <seb128> right, but it's also a false regression
[15:14] <dupingping> I just designed this page.
[15:14] <seb128> dupingping, hey, you already wrote that
[15:14] <bdmurray> https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/7b4d30774cd6698d6ac8a5718610a01b33b5e427 ?
[15:14] <dupingping> seb128, the page is useful?
[15:15] <seb128> dupingping, no idea, it looks like "old" compared to the ubuntu one to me
[15:15] <seb128> the styling
[15:15] <seb128> but I don't work on that website
[15:15] <seb128> dupingping, you can open a bug with your suggestion on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website-content/+filebug
[15:15] <bdmurray> https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/148216bb1232ca884058218ca27b169db04d02e0
[15:16] <dupingping> seb128, yes, i see.
[15:18] <seb128> bdmurray, again, that new one skept the previous version for some reason, but it as a couple of report for each precedent ones, it's not relevant
[15:18] <seb128> bdmurray, unsure about the one before, it doesn't make sense for that to be a new issue due to the change and has only 3 reports
[15:20] <bdmurray> seb128: 148216 only has package versions from -updates in 14.04 which seems suspicious. How about I review all the Trusty ones and email you with the ones that aren't obviously not regressions.
[15:22] <seb128> bdmurray, ok, that works for me. The change in that SRU is a 1 liner basically undoing a change that was done in recent versions so going back to old code, it shouldn't create a regression ... I'm happy to review the list just to make sure though
[15:24] <bdmurray> seb128: the review might be helpful for the phased updater too, so thanks
[15:34] <Odd_Bloke> pitti: So as I mentioned earlier this week, we are substantially changing how we build images for xenial; if I point you at an image file (let me know the image format you consume), would you be able to test that out and check it works for you?
[15:36] <pitti> Odd_Bloke: sure!
[15:36] <pitti> Odd_Bloke: qcow2 for local qemu is most appreciated, and that works for glance import too; otherwise, qemu-img can convert between stuff, but woudl be easier not to
[15:39] <Odd_Bloke> pitti: Great; I have a build from a couple of days ago, so I'll push that up somewhere.
[15:40] <pitti> Odd_Bloke: no hurry, though; I probably won't get to testing it today any more, need to leave in about an hour
[15:41] <Odd_Bloke> pitti: Don't worry, my Internet connection is in no hurry. ;)  Is a message in here enough, or shall I drop you an email with the URL?
[15:41] <pitti> Odd_Bloke: either works for me
[15:42] <pitti> Odd_Bloke: then I'll see how well I can download it through airport or hotel wifi :)
[15:42] <Odd_Bloke> pitti: :D
[15:42] <Odd_Bloke> pitti: I am producing QCOW2 images, so it's only ~320MB.
[15:42] <pitti> "only" :)
[15:43] <pitti> it was 150 or so in raring when we started with those, but they accumulated a lot of stuff (my package purge list has become rather long :) )
[15:44] <tsimonq2> could I use the devel alias in my sources.list?
[15:45] <pitti> tsimonq2: yes, works in principle
[15:45] <pitti> I just found it to interact in funny ways with apt-cacher-ng, otherwise it's fine
[15:45] <tsimonq2> pitti: could I do replace all from xenial to devel?
[15:45] <pitti> yes
[15:46] <tsimonq2> pitti: so how do I fix the apt-cacher-ng issues?
[15:46] <pitti> I don't know
[15:46] <pitti> I gave up using "devel"
[15:46] <tsimonq2> anybody else know?
[15:47] <pitti> tsimonq2: it might even work for you
[15:47] <pitti> but I have tons of schroots, containers, QEMUs of different relelases etc. which all share one acng, and occasionally it caused hash sum mismatches
[15:48] <pitti> but just try it
[15:48] <tsimonq2> pitti: but how would I fix the hash sum mismatches then?
[15:48] <pitti> pitti | I don't know
[15:49] <tsimonq2> hmm.would +1 know about this better?
[16:02] <Saviq> pitti, hey, question about packaging, from time to time we hit the proverbial wall of Build-Depends being too broad, has there been talk, or maybe there's a solution, to declare what's needed to build just the source package? maybe also test dependencies (autopkgtest helps here, but nocheck could skip those top-level deps)?
[16:04] <slangasek> pitti: is p-m now using the trigger syntax for autopkgtests, and is there a way to see the value of triggers on autopkgtest.u.c?
[16:08] <pitti> Saviq: sorry, I don't understand the question
[16:08] <pitti> slangasek: yes, britney has used explicit triggers for maybe one or two months now, which makes the whole thing much more robust
[16:09] <pitti> slangasek: it's also a prerequisite for minimizing deps from proposed
[16:09] <pitti> slangasek: yes, there are two places: in result.tar there's a testinfo.json which contains it in machine parseable form
[16:09] <pitti> slangasek: and if you look at the top of a log it says e. g. ADT_TEST_TRIGGERS=linux-meta/<IP_ADDRESS>.19
[16:09] <slangasek> pitti: right. so fwiw I'm currently trying to figure out of devscripts in xenial-proposed is what caused the regression (on 2 of 3 architectures) in license-reconcile: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/l/license-reconcile/xenial/amd64/ http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/l/license-reconcile/xenial/armhf/
[16:09] <slangasek> pitti: could we have the triggers exposed on the index somehow?
[16:10] <pitti> slangasek: yeah, I guess that would be usefull
[16:10] <pitti> useful too
[16:10] <slangasek> pitti: for that matter I don't see a link to result.tar
[16:11] <slangasek> artifacts.tar.gz doesn't include this
[16:11] <pitti> slangasek: no, it needs to be in result.tar, as proposed-migration, kernel-matrix, etc. need the testinfo.json
[16:11] <pitti> right, there's no link to it; the general idea is to present results.tar in the debci log in a more human friendly  manner
[16:12] <pitti> so that log should get it at lesat
[16:12] <pitti> but showing it on the index page also sounds useful
[16:12] <slangasek> pitti: ok, that's all the more reason to have the trigger info on the index page
[16:13]  * pitti files bug 1511780
[16:13] <slangasek> ta :)
[16:13] <slangasek> meanwhile I've confirmed that devscripts was the trigger for the regression, how disappointing :)
[16:13] <pitti> slangasek: if I ever get out of "OMGfixthisnow" mode, there's tons of improvements like this to be made
[16:13]  * slangasek nods
[16:14] <Saviq> pitti, if you only want to build a source package, you rarely need all of Build-Depends, same if you don't run the tests, some dependencies in Build-Depends are really runtime test dependencies
[16:14] <Saviq> pitti, building a unity8 source package takes a long time in the train today because of all the packages its Build-Depends pulls in
[16:14] <pitti> slangasek: confirming which package broke what should get a lot easier and more predictable with the -proposed minimalization too
[16:15] <pitti> slangasek: I have 3/4 of the autopkgtest support written, but still fighting with what to do in the case when that apt pinning fails and we need to use full -proposed
[16:15] <pitti> slangasek: I was going to look at that during the flight; no distractions :
[16:15] <pitti> )
[16:15] <pitti> Saviq: oh, I see; well, you never need any of the B-D to build a source
[16:15] <Saviq> pitti, but some packages need some specific dh_ bits, and there's no way to declare those, either
[16:16] <pitti> Saviq: "debuild -S -nc" should do fine and avoids any black magic that debian/rules might do to your package, or fail on
[16:16] <pitti> Saviq: dh_* are not called for -S
[16:16] <pitti> just debian/rules clean, which you can eliminate with -nc
[16:16] <pitti> (of course you must then ensure to not have any build cruft there -- but we all build in sbuild, right?)
[16:16] <Saviq> yup
[16:17] <pitti> Saviq: I assume this is in the context of the train/automatic merges and stuff?
[16:17] <Saviq> pitti, yes
[16:17] <pitti> -nc should be fine there
[16:17] <Saviq> pitti, yeah, that helps
[16:17] <Saviq> robru, ↑↑
[16:17] <pitti> Saviq: I'm surprised that you survived for so long without that
[16:17] <pitti> a lot of packages need all kind of stuff which you really don't want to all install on these production boxes? :-)
[16:18] <slangasek> Saviq, robru, pitti: I thought we had to use the clean target because it might do things like e.g. generation of debian/control
[16:18] <slangasek> in the context of the train
[16:21] <Saviq> slangasek, I also thought there's things like autoconf that you need to call before you can get a tarball out of a branch
[16:21] <Saviq> or *re*conf
[16:21] <slangasek> well
[16:21] <slangasek> perhaps
[16:22] <slangasek> though in that case these are not properly constructed UDD-style source-package branches, which I thought was a prerequisite for the train
[16:24] <didrocks> Saviq: slangasek: yeah, a word of warning, but some cmake/autotools project expect the clean target to be run to build the source package
[16:24] <didrocks> famous example being projects only having autogen.sh
[16:24]  * slangasek nods
[16:24] <didrocks> also, same issue with python projects, you need to resolve the imports for setup.py
[16:24] <didrocks> hence the only rule that worked was "let's get b-d"
[16:25] <didrocks> (not saying it's the right thing, just giving context)
[16:25] <Saviq> didrocks, yeah, thanks, helps a lot
[16:26] <Saviq> didrocks, I was just asking whether it's a topic in the dpkg community to potentially introduce something like Source-Depends
[16:27] <Saviq> would save hours in the train...
[16:27] <pitti> Saviq: no, it's not a topic AFAIK
[16:27] <didrocks> Saviq: maybe we can start with a X-Source-Depends and brought the issue upstream? (and if not present, the train fallback to Build-Depends)
[16:27] <Saviq> didrocks, yeah, that's what I was thinking
[16:27] <Saviq> robru, ↑
[16:27] <pitti> err, autogen.sh in "clean"? that's evil
[16:27] <pitti> that belongs into build
[16:28] <didrocks> pitti: you will never know what I've seen, my eyes are bleeding ;)
[16:28] <didrocks> see, that's why I've glasses now!
[16:28] <pitti> perhaps a good chance to actaully fix these packages :)
[16:28] <Saviq> pitti, I think the problem is that the result of autogen.sh is expected to be part of the tarball...
[16:28] <Saviq> or at least that's the history
[16:33] <Saviq> didrocks, robru, bug #1511785
[16:35] <pitti> Saviq: hm, that is really old school
[16:35] <pitti> Saviq: normally you just build-dep on dh-autoreconf, have dh --with=autoreconf (or call dh_autoreconf for non-dh packages), and it'll DTRT
[16:36] <pitti> avoids lots of noise between package builds, as they are really hard to review and utterly uninteresting
[16:36] <Saviq> sure, agreed, wonder if there's a solution for setup.py
[16:36] <Saviq> maybe we can drop b-d in the train and fix packaging instead
[16:36] <pitti> Saviq: would it be totally unreasonable for train packages to require that they get updated to packaging standards which are only 3 years old, not 10? :-)
[16:37] <Saviq> pitti, nope, +1 from me
[16:37] <didrocks> pitti: how would you do it for python project?
[16:37] <pitti> didrocks, Saviq: OOI, why does building a .dsc need to call setup.py?
[16:37] <didrocks> bumping version for release
[16:37] <didrocks> (and so creating version.py)
[16:38] <pitti> sorry guys, I need to leave, and then long travel to Austin
[16:38] <didrocks> (I guess some of our packages have the same mechanism in CMakeLists.txt)
[16:38] <didrocks> pitti: have a safe travel!
[16:38] <pitti> see you next week in an odd time zone :)
[16:38] <Saviq> o/
[16:38] <didrocks> enjoy jetlag! ;-)
[16:42] <happyaron> pitti: safe trip, :)
[16:42] <sil2100> slangasek, cjwatson: could anyone of you guys help me check the installability problem of ocaml on ppc64el? I don't have any way of getting this arch testable
[16:42] <slangasek> sil2100: porter-ppc64el.canonical.com?
[16:43] <sil2100> slangasek: how do you use that? ;)
[16:43] <sil2100> First time I see this address
[16:43] <slangasek> sil2100: https://wiki.canonical.com/InformationInfrastructure/ISO/BuildInfrastructure/PorterBoxes
[16:43] <sil2100> Is it VPN only?
[16:43] <sil2100> slangasek: thanks
[16:53] <sil2100> slangasek: so, on the ppc64el porterbox it seems that the xenial chroot doesn't exist - it appears in the schroot -l but can't switch to it as /srv/chroots/xenial-ppc64el does not exist
[16:55] <sil2100> slangasek: and I don't want to meddle too much on a machine that's used by others
[17:25] <slangasek> sil2100: oh, sorry, of course this is xenial - and the current porter box is a P7, whereas xenial is built targetting P8 hardware, so we're without a working porter environment for xenial for the near term
[17:25] <slangasek> sil2100: we're working on getting this fixed but it's going to take a bit of hardware shuffling
[17:26] <sil2100> Ok... any other possibility of getting some ppc64el chroot to test that issue?
[17:27] <slangasek> sil2100: probably easier to let me remote debug it for you.  What's the root of the issue you're trying to solve?
[17:29] <sil2100> slangasek: it seems that the new ocaml is uninstallable on ppc64el, at least that's what the transition page says - not much more info sadly
[17:30] <sil2100> It built fine and works good on all other archs
[17:30] <sil2100> Want to make sure it's not a red herring
[17:46] <cjwatson> sil2100: for installability issues, all you need is chdist(1) from ubuntu-dev-tools
[17:47]  * slangasek nods
[17:48] <cjwatson> sil2100: sorry, devscripts, not ubuntu-dev-tools
[17:48] <cjwatson> no need at all to be on the same architecture, since it's purely configuring apt differently and then letting it do the graph analysis
[17:49] <cjwatson> (and you can't actually install packages, obviously, but just say no to that prompt)
[17:49] <slangasek> I don't remember seeing '.uninstallable' as a transition tag before; how does that work, anyway? is it possible the tag itself is broken for ppc64el?
[17:50] <cjwatson> I think that is unlikely.  it's been around for ages and has always worked well for me
[17:50] <cjwatson> dose-debcheck does the analysis
[17:51] <cjwatson> or dose-distcheck or whatever it's called these days
[17:53] <cjwatson> The following packages have unmet dependencies.
[17:53] <cjwatson>  camlp4 : Depends: ocaml-nox-4.01.0
[17:53] <cjwatson>  camlp4-extra : Depends: ocaml-nox-4.01.0
[17:53] <cjwatson> says chdist
[17:53] <cjwatson> ah
[17:54] <cjwatson> I bet this is NBS
[17:55] <cjwatson> yeah, camlp4 is now distributed separately, and probably hasn't been auto-synced due to it being in an ubuntu-versioned source
[17:56] <cjwatson> being called away, will come back and sort this out soon
[18:08] <tumbleweed> autopkgtest.ubuntu.com seems MIA
[18:09] <sarnold> tumbleweed: there's some issues in the datacenter, it's possible that's one of the affected services
[18:09] <sil2100> cjwatson: camlp4 is something different
[18:09] <sil2100> cjwatson: anyway, thanks!
[18:14] <robru> slangasek: yes we have a couple packages now that are generating debian/control by './debian/rules clean' but we invoke that manually, eg, no deps are present during cleaning. deps get installed by 'bzr bd' afterwards.
[18:14] <robru> slangasek: pitti I'm open to trying 'debuild -S -nc' after a maual './debian/rules clean', I'm not sure what implications that would have though
[18:38] <cjwatson> sil2100: camlp4 is the cause of your problem :P
[18:39] <cjwatson> sil2100: it's still present in xenial and lists ocaml as its source package there, and therefore gets counted as uninstallable by the tracker even though that isn't really true for the purposes of the transition
[18:40] <cjwatson> sil2100: I've synced camlp4 now, that should make this glitch go away
[18:45] <sil2100> cjwatson: strange that it didn't cause any problems on other archs
[18:45] <sil2100> I actually thought that camlp4 was already synced because of that
[18:47] <sil2100> cjwatson: anyway, thanks! :)
[19:10] <hallyn> urg
[19:11] <hallyn> arges: hey are you around?
[19:11] <hallyn> could you remove the netcf vivid package i just pushed to vivid-proposed?  (it may just get auto-refused - i used same version # currently in use in wily)
[19:13] <hallyn> i guess i'll use 1:0.2.6-1ubuntu1~15.04.1   ?  vivid currently has 1:0.2.6-1, wily has 1:0.2.6-1ubuntu1
[19:14] <hallyn> or 1:0.2.6-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[19:16] <hallyn> ok yup, auto-rejected
[19:30] <slangasek> sil2100, cjwatson: either of you know why camlp4 has added a 'camlp4-dbgsym' binary package? (currently in binary NEW)
[19:31] <slangasek> that seems like a horribly wrong thing for the Debian ftpmasters to have let into the archive
[19:47] <ScottK> slangasek: I don't think it generates that binary in Debian.
[19:48] <cjwatson> slangasek: our NEW shows *-dbgsym
[19:48] <cjwatson> sil2100: yeah, I didn't look at other arches
[19:48] <cjwatson> slangasek: (this is arguably a bug, but not a very important one)
[19:52] <arges> hallyn: ok back i see netcf in vivid queue.... is that the right one?
[19:58] <slangasek> cjwatson: oh; so the dbgsym being listed as 'NEW' doesn't mean it's in Debian as a .deb, ok
[20:04] <slangasek> doko: I'm assuming that your syncing of swig 3.0.7-1 means that we want to trade swig2 for swig3 in main now
[20:05] <hallyn> arges: yup, it's the right one now :)  thx
[20:31] <cjwatson> sil2100,slangasek: there is in fact a subtle bug in the transition tracker which you can ignore for your purposes
[20:32] <cjwatson> it's to do with the stuff that tries to filter out packages from the release pocket that've been superseded en bloc by source packages in -proposed
[20:32] <cjwatson> the problem is that that only filters out binaries from a given component if it finds binaries from that component in -proposed *in the same component*
[20:33] <cjwatson> so camlp4-extra is in universe, and should be disregarded since it's only in the release pocket and there's a newer version of the ocaml source in -proposed
[20:33] <cjwatson> but as it happens, the only non-arch-all binary built by the ocaml source that remains in universe is ocaml-native-compilers, and that happens to be built on all architectures except for ppc64el (presumably it requires porting)
[20:34] <cjwatson> so the top-level tracker "go" script fails to filter out camlp4-extra, but just on ppc64el
[20:34] <cjwatson> you owe me half an hour of my life scratching my head trying to figure that one out :P
[20:34]  * cjwatson attempts a quick fix
[20:45] <hjd> Could someone please retry libio-compress-lzma-perl in Xenial? :) Looks like it failed to build initially because it was synced/attempted built before one of its dependencies (libio-compress-perl) which is now available.
[20:48] <cjwatson> hjd: done
[20:48] <hjd> cjwatson: Thank you.
[20:50] <cjwatson> damnit, I shouldn't edit transition tracker code at 9pm on Friday, I fear I may have broken it and don't immediately have time to fix it
[20:50] <cjwatson> I'll come back to it in a bit and figure it out if nobody beats me to it
[20:53] <cjwatson> I guess I could just have hit a locking failure, since update-transitions doesn't have locking of its own
[21:00] <cjwatson> ah yes, just locking silliness
[21:04] <cjwatson> sil2100: should sort itself out in a bit but I have to wait for cron to do its thing
[21:10] <hjd> Another thing I stumbled across; django-celery depends on python3-django-nose which in turn depends on python3-nose. However, this was broken for a short while in python3-django-nose so it didn't pull in python3-nose which caused django-celery to ftbfs in Xenial. This should be fixed again now, and I suspect the package would build successfully on a rebuild.
[21:10] <hjd> Though I wonder whether there's any guidelines regarding transitive dependencies or if packages should ideally list all necessary dependencies even if they happen to also be installed by other dependencies?
[21:13] <sil2100> cjwatson: thanks!


[11:12] <thehand> Hello!
[11:20] <thehand> I just wanted to point out that the default setting for On AC Power (When laptop lid is closed), and On Battery Power (When laptop lid is closed), under Power Management for Netbook Remix, should be to Blank Screen, as not all hardware has full support for Suspend.
[11:20] <thehand> My laptop, for instance.
[11:20] <thehand> Thank you for your time.
[19:11] <UbuntuNISMO> what is this about?


[00:05] <Alec> It's very quiet in here
[00:05] <Alec> "" for #ubuntu-women-project
[00:05] <Alec> "" for #ubuntu-women (tab fail)


[03:27] <nlsthzn> Night shift coming to an end... cheers for now :)
[05:49] <superfly> home now, nlsthzn?
[05:50] <nlsthzn> superfly: yup :)
[05:51] <nlsthzn> superfly: can you ping me quickly... want to see if audio works
[05:51] <superfly> nlsthzn: ping!
[05:52] <nlsthzn> superfly: thanks... worked like a charm
[05:52] <superfly> cool
[05:52] <superfly> nlsthzn: what client are you using?
[05:53] <nlsthzn> xchat... but I always have to set it up to use mplayer to get sound for some reason
[05:53] <superfly> oh
[05:53] <nlsthzn> if I don't I just get an un-earthly noise
[06:06] <kbmonkey> more internet mense
[06:06] <nlsthzn> kbmonkey: alo
[06:07] <Kerbero> o/
[06:07] <superfly> afternoon kbmonkey
[06:07] <kbmonkey> afternoon? hope not! he he
[06:08] <kbmonkey> well we survived the longest night
[06:08] <Kerbero> not yet
[06:08] <Kerbero> night ends at 7:48 here
[06:08] <Kerbero> *sun rises
[06:09] <nlsthzn> hmmm... so this summer has just about peeked... pity the temp outside doesn't know this and will continue to rise for the next month :(
[06:17] <nlsthzn> New kernel works :)
[06:21] <kbmonkey> cool nlsthzn :) which kernel is that?
[06:21] <nlsthzn> 3.0 rc-2 ...
[06:22] <kbmonkey> self compiled?
[06:22] <nlsthzn> Linux spike 3.0.0-0300rc2-generic #201106081532 SMP Wed Jun 8 16:21:54 UTC 2011 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
[06:22] <nlsthzn> nah, deb
[06:22] <kbmonkey> oooh I want too :)
[06:23] <kbmonkey> well Linus said new feature include: Nothing. lol, just a version change. fresh.
[06:26] <nlsthzn> .38 had a power regression... apparently this one doesn't
[06:27] <kbmonkey> sure critical fixes as per usual :)
[06:27] <nuvolari> mornings
[06:28] <kbmonkey> alo there nuvolari
[06:28] <nuvolari> lo lo, how're you on this fine morning?
[06:29] <kbmonkey> I finished my tea before the rusks, so now I have a dilemma!
[06:32] <nlsthzn> :)
[06:33] <kbmonkey> i keep waiting for winter nuvolari, but forget on the coast the longest night just passed. heh
[06:38] <kbmonkey> enjoy the day all, later
[07:15] <sakhi> morning nuvolari #ubuntu-za
[10:09] <queery> Maaz, martini
[10:09]  * Maaz shakes up a vodka and gin mixed Martini for queery
[10:10] <nlsthzn> Sweet...
[10:10] <nlsthzn> Maaz: rum and coke
[10:10] <Maaz> nlsthzn: *blink*
[10:10] <nlsthzn> Thought as much :/
[10:11] <kbmonkey> ooh, martinis!
[10:12] <queery> haha
[10:26] <drubin> queery: at least you aren't stiring your vodka
[10:26] <drubin> James wold be proud
[10:26] <nlsthzn> Captain Jack Sparrow doesn't approve of the lack of rum
[10:45] <queery> but course not
[10:49] <Squirm> morning
[10:57] <nuvolari> morning sakhi
[10:57] <nuvolari> and Squirm, queer, drubin  nlsthzn
[10:57] <queery> hi nuvolari
[10:57] <Squirm> nuvolari: :O
[10:58] <nlsthzn> hi all :)
[12:12] <scar[w]> Kerbero: the power regression is still there
[12:15] <scar[w]> AFAIK there were 2 regressions, first on 2.6.35, second (smaller power increase) on 2.6.38
[12:20] <scar[w]> an improvement was made on <IP_ADDRESS> but the issue is still there, in some instances I have noticed if you turn apm off it lowers power usage :P
[12:22] <scar[w]> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/760131 for natty/oneiric
[12:46] <Kerbero> o
[12:47] <Kerbero> well i only have power issues on my phone
[12:47] <Kerbero> should maybe check what kernel it is running
[15:10]  * nuvolari dies
[15:13] <kbmonkey> omg, he died, he died! oh wait... he's... waking up! its a zombieeee!
[15:14] <nuvolari> I hate GWT 1.7
[15:14] <nuvolari> and GXT
[15:14] <kbmonkey> I'm not a fan of web coding myself
[15:39] <nuvolari> the problem is that it renders my machine useless for ~5 minutes
[15:47] <kbmonkey> awe thats not good
[15:48] <kbmonkey> well be back later
[18:33] <panphried> Maaz J
[18:33] <Maaz> panphried: *blink*
[18:34] <panphried> Maaz, joint please
[18:34] <Maaz> panphried: Go get it yourself!
[18:34] <panphried> ok, Maaz, I will
[18:35] <panphried> Maaz Joint
[18:35] <Maaz> panphried: Excuse me?
[18:35] <panphried> Never mind Maaz
[18:49] <kbmonkey> lol @ panphried :P
[19:25] <inetpro> good evening
[19:25] <queery> hi
[19:25] <queery> Maaz, coffee on
[19:25]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[19:25] <queery> Maaz, coffee for all
[19:25] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already
[19:29] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for queery!
[19:30] <queery> Maaz, ty
[19:30] <Maaz> Enjoy queery
[21:07] <junglejim> Good evening all
[21:07] <junglejim> Does any know if this line in /var/log/messages means that X crashed? Pid: 32462, comm: Xorg Tainted: G         C  2.6.35-28-generic #50-Ubuntu FJNB19C/LIFEBOOK S7020
[22:11] <Guest36911> heita


 "I didn't get far… wild guess..." <- Yeah, I *think* the way we're building `test_exclusion_filter` may not work.
[02:25] <sophie-w>  * grayson-g: how did you fix your clang headers problem? I think I might be getting the same thing
[02:25] <sophie-w> Edit: problem seems to have gone away for no reason
 "Yeah, I *think* the way we're..." <- Or maybe not? 😬
[06:40] <RAOF> Aaaaah. gtest only looks at the last --gtest_filter, and we pass it twice!
[07:03] <RAOF> Ah! We pass the exclude filter to tools/discover_gtests.sh as a --gtest_filter, but tools/discover_gtests.sh expects excludes to be passed as --gtest-exclude.
[07:08] <RAOF> Also, nvidia-core22 is failing to find the NVIDIA EGL platform, but in a way that strace is pretty happy to help with.
[07:09] <RAOF> And with that, EOW!
[08:12] <Saviq> Moan o/
[09:26] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/ubuntu-frame]** Saviq drafted [pull request #117](https://github.com/MirServer/ubuntu-frame/pull/117): snap: migrate to `base: core22`
[12:08] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq drafted [pull request #2745](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2745): Base core22
[12:08] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq edited [pull request #2745](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2745): snap,ci: migrate to 22.04 / `base: core20`
[17:07] <Saviq> Good weekend o/


[00:00] <phillw> nm_geo: you would have to chat with lp people; changing your lp name is possible but not reccommened
[00:02] <sagaci> can't you make a new username and merge them
[00:02] <nm_geo> oh I don't want to change it but the pad.ubuntu will not let me sign in NP
[00:02] <nm_geo> I can see the activity
[07:23] <jibel> Welcome to Ubuntu QA and Testing | http://qa.ubuntu.com/ | Currently testing Quantal Beta 1 Candidates | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[09:20] <mvo> if someone has a current install of the test image, does software-center open up normally? i.e. is bug #1042707 fixed?
[09:28] <jibel> mvo, french install of 20120903.4, software-center opens normally
[09:28] <jibel> *fresh
[09:49] <mvo> jibel: \o/
[13:48] <plars> is it abnormal to get a warning that language support is incomplete, asking if I want to download it when the language I selected is english? iirc, some languages (such as english) should be complete on the install media, or is that not the case anymore?
[13:48] <plars> This is on ubuntu-server-omap4 btw
[13:49] <plars> jibel, psivaa? ^
[13:50] <jibel> plars, it's a long standing bug, I don't have the bug number handy, but you may find it or a duplicate in launchpad
[13:50] <plars> jibel: ok, so I'm correct in thinking that's not right at least... thanks
[15:30] <plars> jamespage: do you know if the instructions at http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/ServerWhole#Tomcat%20server are correct? I'm trying it right now on a mac server and it doesn't seem to be working as described, but tomcat is installed
[15:31] <jamespage> plars, hmm - looks a little incorrect - what are you seeing thats different?
[15:33] <plars> jamespage: well I can't connect to anything on localhost:8080 for starters
[15:34] <jamespage> plars, sudo service tomcat7 status ?
[15:34] <plars> jamespage: I just rebooted though (unrelated), give me a moment and I can give more details
[15:37] <plars> jamespage: odd, it's working now
[15:37] <plars> jamespage: I wasn't seeing the "it works" page coming up at the moment earlier
[15:37] <jamespage> plars, are you running virtual?
[15:37] <plars> but haven't run through these, so I thought it best to check if they were up to date
[15:37] <plars> jamespage: no
[15:38] <jamespage> plars, worth checking /var/log/tomcat/catalina.out to see why it took a long time then
[15:38] <jamespage> /var/log/tomcat7 that is
[15:53] <balloons> anyone have a non-networking install work on amd64 quantal desktop?
[15:54] <balloons> my current installation is attempting to download files and is failing.. despite me not being connected to the internet, and telling it not to install updates
[15:55] <jibel> balloons, I did a non-network installation in english and it was successful. Is it what is failing for you ?
[15:56] <balloons> jibel, see above.. basically it doesn't seem to respect the don't install updates option
[15:56] <balloons> if it finds a network connecton, it will try and use it
[15:57] <jibel> balloons, works fine here
[15:58] <balloons> jibel, so if you have an active connection, and tell it not to install updates, does the installer not hit the archive to get packages?
[16:01] <balloons> in my case here's what happened.. I had networking on, but it's REALLY slow and laggy.. the installer actually disabled the download updates at the beginning. I toggled the connection, but it didn't see it as valid. Anyways, fast forward to package install, and the installer hangs trying to contact the ubuntu server to download packages. I was able to use skip to finish the installation
[16:02] <balloons> when I say hung.. well, it just kept trying to hit the ubuntu server and didn't suceeed.. it wasn't going to succeed.. I'm not sure if it would ever have continued on it's own
[16:02] <elfy> balloons: if you need it checked - I can do a non-networked install to me too something
[16:03] <balloons> elfy, sure.. It just seems like ubiquity will try and use the connection if it finds one.. and in my case, the connection isn't really valid so it can't use it
[16:05] <balloons> I'm going to have a look at the log
[16:08] <elfy> so are we talking here about a new install - already installed system here balloons
[16:08] <balloons> new install, beta1
[16:13] <balloons> I'll paste the log
[16:13] <balloons> it's semi-interesting
[16:13] <elfy> ubuntu - or will xubuntu do ?
[16:14] <balloons> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1186023/
[16:14] <balloons> so, interesting that ubiquity will still build a sources file with the network sources
[16:15] <balloons> perhaps this is normal, to force a timeout on them.. I'm not sure.. also it's intersting to see the ubuntu i386 entries in there..
[16:15] <elfy> ok - I'll get tyhe ubuntu beta and have a go - so disable network prior to starting the install
[16:15] <balloons> jibel might be able to tell me more. Otherwise, I'm going to have to repeat some installs and pull the logs on them to see how it works
[16:15] <balloons> elfy, you can leave it on
[16:16] <balloons> but don't tell it to install updates
[16:16] <elfy> ok
[16:16] <elfy> oh I never ever do that
[16:16] <balloons> then, after partitioning, it will pull updates anyway
[16:16] <elfy> ok - will check it out
[16:16] <balloons> is there anyway you can leave networking on, but keep the network local?
[16:16] <balloons> or block the archive?
[16:16] <balloons> that would simluate what I had
[16:17] <balloons> no external inet access.. only internal
[16:17] <elfy> mmm - all my machines are ethernet to router
[16:17] <elfy> not sure I'll be able to replicate
[16:18] <balloons> well, I'm curious what it will do
[16:18] <balloons> we'll see when we pull the log from it :-)
[16:21] <elfy> balloons: ok - well it's downloading now - will clarify exactly what you want when I boot it
[17:27] <forestpiskie> balloons: ping
[17:27] <balloons> pong
[17:28] <forestpiskie> that took longer than I anticipated lol - had to feed child - so what exactly do you want me to do - install - leave net connected - not tell it to update ?
[17:34] <balloons> forestpiskie, yes
[17:35] <balloons> and pull the logs when your done :-)
[17:35] <forestpiskie> k
[17:35] <forestpiskie> which logs you want ?
[17:35] <balloons> /var/log/installer
[17:35] <forestpiskie> okey doke
[17:35] <balloons> syslog mostly is the interesing piece
[17:36] <forestpiskie> yep - will do and then will escape back to the relative calm of 12.10 xubuntu :D
[17:37] <forestpiskie> what's with the funky symbols in the partition window that mean absolutely nothing :(
[17:38] <balloons> they do things
[17:38] <balloons> there's a bug to add some tooltips
[17:38] <forestpiskie> mmm
[17:38] <forestpiskie> create partition - that's going to freak people out - what happened to calling it Edit ...
[17:54] <forestpiskie> balloons: so var/log/installer/debug and /var/log/syslog ?
[17:54] <balloons> forestpiskie, sure.. what's it look like?
[17:55] <balloons> paste it if your ok with thta
[17:56] <forestpiskie> http://pastebin.com/mjMuZAhk and http://pastebin.com/MnhFVq1r
[17:56] <forestpiskie> there you go - back shortly
[18:07] <elfy> balloons: was that any help?
[18:08] <balloons> elfy, sorry I missed the links
[18:08] <balloons> looking now
[18:08] <elfy> lol - glad you've got them - cos I certainly haven't anymore :p
[18:09] <balloons> yea.. it hit the archive
[18:09] <balloons> I'll have to ask the team about it
[18:10] <balloons> it also hit the archive to download some things
[18:10] <balloons> thanks, this is perfect
[18:10] <elfy> cool - well if it makes it to a bug - give me link to me to it
[18:11] <elfy> I think I saw it downloading lang files - I used to disconnect when installing
[19:53] <noskcaj> can you download the beta through testdrive?
[20:01] <balloons> noskcaj, yes
[20:01] <balloons> if you sync the image in testdrive, you will get the lastest version of the image
[20:01] <balloons> so.. right now that would be the beta candidate iso images
[20:01] <noskcaj> just the daily image?
[20:02] <balloons> if you wait until after beta is released, it will grab the new daily image -- I trust that makes sense
[20:02] <noskcaj> yes, thanks