[00:24] <Caelte> hi
[00:25] <holstein> Caelte: hello
[00:25] <Caelte> is there anyway to stop the system from using my browsers proxy settings?
[00:26] <holstein> hmmm
[00:26] <holstein> im not sure about that
[00:26] <holstein> you might want to try #ubuntu-beginners
[00:26] <holstein> whats the issue?
[00:26] <holstein> you use a proxy?
[00:26] <holstein> and you want just the browser to bypass it?
[00:27] <Caelte> well I run a proxy in my browser for surfing
[00:27] <Caelte> but the whole system seems to use the proxy
[00:27] <holstein> thats not working for you?
[00:28] <holstein> again, im really not sure
[00:28] <holstein> but
[00:28] <Caelte> so my system doesn't access the internet properly because it's a password protected proxy
[00:28] <holstein> i was thining you would have to set that system wide
[00:28] <holstein> and if you used a browser plugin
[00:28] <holstein> foxyproxy?
[00:29] <Caelte> I just want to surf with some anonymity
[00:29] <holstein> that would be only the browser
[00:29] <Caelte> switch proxy for chrome, but the same idea as foxy
[00:30] <Caelte> and yes, you would think it would only change the browser but it changes system wide
[00:30] <holstein> have you tried it in firefox?
[00:30] <Caelte> no
[00:30] <holstein> im wondering if that not just the way chrome does it
[00:31] <Caelte> I don't use firefox
[00:31] <holstein> yeah, me neither
[00:31] <holstein> might be worth a try in the spirit of trouble shooting
[00:31] <Caelte> I'll try the beginner channel, thanks holstein
[09:53] <rebirth> i am having trouble installing ubuntu studio. i've downloaded the iso and mounted it with gmount, but i can't figure out what to do next
[10:01] <rebirth> do i  need to boot from a cd to install?
[11:10] <brianmc> What would be the best tool in UbuntuStudio to guess at beats per min from acoustic guitar+vocals?
[13:33] <ScottL> brianmc, you could use a metrenome
[13:34]  * brianmc runs screaming in horror as he is reminded of Bowie's Laughing Gnome
[13:36] <ScottL> brianmc, a metronome reminds you of Bowie's Laughing Gnome ?
[13:37] <brianmc> Go listen to it, there's a bit in the lyrics... "What's that noise?" "It's Fred, he's a metro-Gnome"
[14:16] <ScottL> ah, lol, i'll have to do that :)
[17:32] <Zeu5> hi there, i am having a busload of problems using camtasia in windows. i am thinking of trying out video recording in ubuntu. i already am running ubuntu but i came across this ubuntu studio. i am doing e learning videos for my programmin class of students. i just want to add my voice over the video itself should i get ubuntu studio? or i jus need to install a few software in my current ubuntu?
[17:34] <Zeu5> anyone?
[17:40] <rlameiro> Zeu5: hi
[17:40] <Zeu5> anyone?
[17:40] <Zeu5> rlameiro:  hi
[17:40] <rlameiro> well, do you want to do screen cast?
[17:40] <Zeu5> rlameiro: is tat the actual term?
[17:41] <Zeu5> basically i am teaching php and mysql to 19-21 yr olds
[17:41] <rlameiro> ok, but you record the video fron the desktop right?
[17:41] <Zeu5> rlameiro: camtasia was vv nice to use but its windows and i had a HUGE problem getting my sound to work.
[17:41] <Zeu5> rlameiro: yes
[17:41] <rlameiro> ok
[17:41] <rlameiro> well, once you recrd your video
[17:42] <rlameiro> you can use Xjadeo + Ardour
[17:42] <Zeu5> rlameiro:  i am willing to consider ubuntu solutions came across ubuntustudio hence popped in here to seek advice
[17:42] <rlameiro> ardour is a multitrack audio recorderrecorder
[17:43] <Zeu5> rlameiro: are u saying i do not need to install ubuntu studio per se? but simply install xjadeo + ardour on my standard ubuntu 10.0.4?
[17:43] <rlameiro> xjadeo is a video only player, it wont play audio, the main objective is to use it for after adding audio
[17:43] <rlameiro> it syncronizes using the jack transport
[17:43] <rlameiro> well, thecnically yes :D
[17:43] <rlameiro> you dont need
[17:43] <rlameiro> but ubuntustudio, do have all you need for this setup
[17:44] <Zeu5> rlameiro: sorry i have only ever used camtasia i am a super noob. infact i only used ubuntu for less than 2 months so far
[17:44] <rlameiro> also, you just need to install ubuntustudio metapackages to have ubuntustudio, you dont need to do a full install
[17:44] <rlameiro> ahh, ok
[17:44] <tucemiux> how do you guys recommend I add audio to a video I created?  I want to record my voice over it and then add background music
[17:44] <rlameiro> wait, i remeber to see some ultra cool software a la camstasia
[17:44] <rlameiro> give me 5 minutes to search it up
[17:45] <Zeu5> rlameiro: thanks!
[17:45] <rlameiro> tucemiux: read what i said before
[17:45] <Zeu5> tucemiux: think its xjadeo + ardour. in case you just logged in and cannot see the previous few sentences
[17:46] <Zeu5> rlameiro:  i am looking at xjadeo and ardour.. guess i still dunno how it works until i download and try
[17:47] <rlameiro> well, they are quite powerfull tools, so it will need some time to get to know them good
[17:48] <tucemiux> Zeu5, i would just add the metapackage and youll have ubuntustudio on your machine, remember once you upgrade you will no longer have ubuntu, you will have ubuntustudio
[17:48] <Zeu5> rlameiro: any luck with that camtasia equivalent?
[17:48] <tucemiux> Zeu5, getting the sound appz  to work is going to be a PITA with ubuntu, that's why i use ubuntustudio
[17:49] <rlameiro> Zeu5: still searching
[17:49] <Zeu5> tucemiux: oh no.. :( i am not sure if my laptop is powerful enough
[17:49] <rlameiro> you can leave the ubuntustudio artwiork and desktop if you want to stay with the same
[17:49] <Zeu5> tucemiux: i usually just my ubuntu for programming purposes
[17:49] <rlameiro> if it runs ubuntu, it runs ubuntustudio
[17:50] <tucemiux> Zeu5, your laptop is powerful enough, I used to run ubuntustudio with a PIII laptop, and if your machine is still not powerful enough then you can try the real time kernel
[17:50] <Zeu5> rlameiro: tucemiux i only need to be able to do what rlameiro says is a screencast
[17:51] <Zeu5> tucemiux: i guess mine is powerful enough. but does that mean i need to ubuntu to switch to ubuntustudio? and anyway i do not need graphics editing.. i already have GIMP and i barely used it
[17:51] <Zeu5> *uninstall ubuntu to switch to ubuntustudio
[17:51] <rlameiro> well, then you dont need to install ubuntustudio
[17:51] <rlameiro> they use the same repositoriew
[17:52] <rlameiro> *repositories
[17:52] <tucemiux> Zeu5, if you can get the audio to work on plain ubuntu and it records really good then you should be good
[17:52] <Zeu5> tucemiux: u are saying in case i have a PITA getting the audio to work then i shd consider installing ubuntustudio?
[17:52] <tucemiux> Zeu5, you dont need to uninstall ubuntu, remember ubuntustudio = ubuntu + "Audio+Video that works out of the box"
[17:52] <Zeu5> tucemiux: i see..
[17:53] <tucemiux> Zeu5, exactly
[17:53] <Zeu5> tucemiux: in tat case, why dont i just install the audio and video components separately?
[17:53] <rlameiro> Zeu5: FINALLY
[17:53] <tucemiux> Zeu5, sure, install the applications and try them on ubuntu
[17:53] <rlameiro> found it
[17:53] <rlameiro> http://www.ws4gl.org/
[17:53] <rlameiro> check the videos to look at the features
[17:54] <Zeu5> thanks rlameiro
[17:54] <rlameiro> Zeu5: http://www.ws4gl.org/webcamstudio-demos
[17:55] <rlameiro> Zeu5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoXtcaWwsP0&feature=player_embedded
[17:55] <rlameiro> this is very nice demo
[17:56] <tucemiux> rlameiro, so if I want to add my voice and a soundtrack on the background I should mix the sound in ardour and then add the sound to the video app?? how do you synchronize the audio to the video?
[17:57] <rlameiro> you use xjadeo for it
[17:57] <rlameiro> xjadeo is a video player tha is synced using the jack transport
[17:57] <rlameiro> you need to set the timing on ardour to jack
[17:58] <rlameiro> and then when you play start on ardour, the video will start etc
[17:58] <rlameiro> after that, you can join audio and video using ffmpeg or something like that
[17:58] <rlameiro> or openshot
[17:59] <rlameiro> or some vidoe editor
[17:59] <rlameiro> *video
[17:59] <Zeu5> rlameiro: saw this comment in the youtube video.  It's using Java and a lot of it. If you are running intensive stuff like CompizFusion, this is not helping. If you are doing this plus have less than a Intel Dual Core CPU system...it's going to be VERRRRY slow.
[17:59] <tucemiux> rlameiro, is there an app that will allow me to play a video and I can record my voice while the video is playing?
[17:59] <rlameiro> well, maybe
[17:59] <rlameiro> tucemiux: dont know
[18:00] <rlameiro> but this is a very good way
[18:00] <rlameiro> xjadeo is made for this
[18:00] <rlameiro> you can use qtractor if you like
[18:01] <tucemiux> rlameiro, if I could find an app that will allow me to play the video and I could describe what's going on I could just add sound with kino but i guess I'll leave this little project for later
[18:01] <rlameiro> Zeu5: well, its possible
[18:01] <rlameiro> i tried it, but I do have a dualcore :D
[18:01] <tucemiux> Zeu5, are you going to post your videos on youtube?
[18:01] <Zeu5> sounds scary. i am not sure if ishd use it
[18:01] <Zeu5> tucemiux: well tat is the easiest way for my students to access the videos
[18:01] <rlameiro> well, gtk record desktop, wil record your mic if you want
[18:02] <Zeu5> some of them would like to access the videos at home so ..
[18:02] <rlameiro> but it will do so, at the same time you are recording the video
[18:02] <Zeu5> camtasia studio makes it very easy to edit the video and produce in various formats
[18:02] <Zeu5> i am not sure if gtkrecordMydesktop is also that user friendly..
[18:02] <rlameiro> Zeu5: yes, i am sure it is nice
[18:03] <Zeu5> rlameiro: have you personally tried gtk recordMydesktop?
[18:03] <rlameiro> but, the xjadeo + Ardour is a professional setup, contrary to camstasia...
[18:03] <rlameiro> yes
[18:03] <rlameiro> its a simple desktop recorder
[18:03] <rlameiro> you press the button "record" and  it starts recording
[18:04] <rlameiro> simple like that
[18:04] <rlameiro> cant be easier
[18:04] <Zeu5> rlameiro: i am not a professional i am a normal user. i saw the screenshots of ardour.. vv scarey.. so many knobs and settings to change
[18:04] <rlameiro> Zeu5: yes i know that
[18:04] <tucemiux> Zeu5, you use recordMyDesktop to create the video -- that's what I have right now, I have a video but no audio THEN you add the audio to it.  The trick is to convert the format of your video to a format you can edit it, once you choose your poison you can format the video so that you can edit the video with whatever app you want
[18:04] <rlameiro> I did said it is a powerfull tool
[18:04] <Zeu5> rlameiro: in tat case the webcamstudio and the gtk recordMydeskTop are basically the same thing ?
[18:05] <rlameiro> no no
[18:05] <rlameiro> webcamstudio integrates a lot of stuff inside
[18:05] <rlameiro> you can streem the video live with it
[18:05] <Zeu5> rlameiro: i see. i dont have to do that though. ha.
[18:05] <rlameiro> its lot powerfull, but maybe CPU hungry too
[18:06] <rlameiro> Zeu5: what did you did on camstasia
[18:06] <rlameiro> can you explain me the steps
[18:06] <rlameiro> maybe there is a simple way
[18:06] <Zeu5> rlameiro: first select the area of the screen to record. usually tat s the entire screen
[18:07] <Zeu5> rlameiro: then i will demonstrate how to do simple php programming based on the assignments given to teh students.
[18:07] <Zeu5> after tat i used camtasia's own smart pan and zoom.. they have this cool way of zooming in at any point in the video and it stays sharp
[18:08] <Zeu5> once done, i can cut away any portion of the recording to make the pacing of the whole video better.
[18:08] <rlameiro> Zeu5: i think you can use that zoom thing on linux, using acessibility tools
[18:08] <rlameiro> but you do that speaking at the same time?
[18:08] <Zeu5> i can add in captions below the videos
[18:09] <rlameiro> well, then you just need GTK record desktop
[18:09] <rlameiro> and then a Video editor
[18:09] <Zeu5> rlameiro:  so far i have done it without speaking. ii have to do it now cause some want to hear the instructions
[18:09] <rlameiro> like openshot or pitivi
[18:09] <Zeu5> camtasia would have allowed me to do audio as well, but something screwed up and i am not sure what
[18:10] <Zeu5> so i just need gtk recordmydesktop AND openshot?
[18:10] <rlameiro> well, there is magnifier software for linux
[18:10] <Zeu5> is audio taken care of?
[18:10] <rlameiro> you can use it to magnify parts of the screen
[18:10] <rlameiro> gtkrecordmy desktop, record audio as well
[18:11] <rlameiro> Zeu5: install gtk record my desktop from the software center and try it
[18:12] <rlameiro> Zeu5: the name is gtk-recordmydesktop
[18:12] <rlameiro> you can also select windows and stuff
[18:12] <rlameiro> i am installing it too now
[18:13] <Zeu5> rlameiro: so its just gtkrecordmydesktop and one of (openshot OR pitivit)
[18:14] <rlameiro> yes
[18:14] <rlameiro> for the magnifier
[18:14] <rlameiro> i am not sure what would do that
[18:14] <rlameiro> i will search for it now
[18:17] <rlameiro> Zeu5: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1333955/out.ogv
[18:18] <rlameiro> little test i made just now
[18:18] <brianmc> Zeu5, sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-video ubuntustudio-audio
[18:19] <Zeu5> whoa rlameiro  that is cool..
[18:19] <rlameiro> Zeu5: yep
[18:19] <Zeu5> rlameiro:  except for the pan and zoom in camtasia, this looks pretty darn good
[18:19] <rlameiro> you can use ORCA
[18:20] <Zeu5> brianmc: what will ubuntustudio-video and audio  install?
[18:20] <brianmc> Well, if you search for them in synaptic you'll see the full package list.
[18:21] <rlameiro> Zeu5: it will install the various software that come by default on ubuntustudio
[18:22] <brianmc> For what you're wanting to do, you'll be able to use a video editor which is synched with audio via JACK, and can be mucked about with in Ardour
[18:22] <Zeu5> rlameiro, brianmc : god.. i am so overwhelmed by choices. i even spent last 15 mins trying to see which of openshot or pitivi i shd use.
[18:22] <Zeu5> can any of you guys kindly point to a simple solution for me?
[18:23] <Zeu5> i am just goin to take it and run with it.
[18:23] <Zeu5> so far, i understand i ve the following choices:
[18:23] <Zeu5> 1) sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-video ubuntustudio-audio though not sure what apps i am supposed to use affter installing
[18:24] <Zeu5> 2) install gtk recordmydesktop and openshot or pitivi (though not sure if audio editing is possible?)
[18:26] <rlameiro> sorry
[18:26] <rlameiro> i was playing with orca and had some problems :D
[18:28]  * brianmc is firing up Kino to see if it is usable
[18:32] <Zeu5> i just read this article http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/ubuntustudio-video so does this mean i canot use recordmydektop? and use something else?
[18:32] <Zeu5> provided i install ubuntustudio-video
[18:33] <rlameiro> no
[18:33] <rlameiro> there is no screen recorder on the packages
[18:33] <rlameiro> you will need to install gtk recordmydesktop also
[18:34] <Zeu5> rlameiro: oh i see.
[18:35] <Zeu5> rlameiro: so in summary wat shd i do? follow brianmc 's suggestions and then install gtkrecordmydesktop and use that for recording?
[18:35] <rlameiro> well, that 2 packages will give you a lot of software to fiddle :D
[18:35] <rlameiro> but in a nutshell, yes
[18:37] <brianmc> Effectively, what you'd do is use a tool you know to capture the video, then use the Jack transport (& Patchage) to dub in your audio
[18:37] <Zeu5> rlameiro: sorry if i sound a bit pushy or obnoxious. i want to sound as polite as i can but i really need to ask this
[18:37] <rlameiro> go for it Zeu5
[18:38] <Zeu5> after installin the 2 packages and recordmydesktop, what app should i use for pan zoom effects? caption adding? and syncing the video correctly with a audio track? and recording audio tracks
[18:38] <rlameiro> for the zoom
[18:38] <brianmc> I assume if you're doing desktop capture you end up with videos that need hacked. It's then just a matter of recording the audio and, say, importing it to Kino containing edited video, and export to desired format
[18:38] <rlameiro> i am looking at it at the momet
[18:38] <rlameiro> for the captions and stuff
[18:38] <brianmc> IIRC Kino can do subtitles
[18:38] <rlameiro> well, use openshot
[18:39] <rlameiro> brianmc: kino is for DV video
[18:39] <brianmc> Yes, but convenient for many other things
[18:39] <rlameiro> and you need to render everything  everytime you modify something
[18:39] <Zeu5> so the process is like this recordmydesktop to capture my screen
[18:39] <rlameiro> not a good idea
[18:39] <Zeu5> then to capture my audio?
[18:39] <rlameiro> the audio is captured at the same time as the video
[18:40] <Zeu5> oh okie
[18:40] <Zeu5> so recordmydesktop for both audio, video
[18:40] <rlameiro> yes
[18:40] <Zeu5> openshot to edit the video
[18:40] <rlameiro> then import the clip to openshot and do with it wathebver you want :D
[18:40] <Zeu5> then wat about this Jack transport (& Patchage) to dub in your audio that brianmc  recommended?
[18:42] <rlameiro> that is the first option i gave you, he just explained it a little more technical :D
[18:43] <rlameiro> for the video editing part
[18:43] <rlameiro> i am not an expert
[18:43] <rlameiro> you should try more options really
[18:43] <rlameiro> not all do everything
[18:44] <rlameiro> so maybe try beetween kino, openshot, pitivi
[18:44] <rlameiro> etc
[18:44] <brianmc> first and last are in the ubuntustudio-video metapackage
[18:44] <rlameiro> I also ear about kdeenlive
[18:48] <rlameiro> Zeu5: for the panning and zoom
[18:48] <rlameiro> you should read about orca and try it out
[18:48] <rlameiro> it has some nice features, but i can't tell you for sure if it is what you need
[18:54] <Zeu5> i think i am going to go with openshot. i think iit has zooming
[18:54] <Zeu5> thanks guys.. really appreciate aeverything
[23:46] <Dustin_> hello, i just installed ubuntu studio and i am trying to get onto a wireless network
[23:51] <ScottL> Dustin_, ubuntu studio comes with gnome-network-admin by default, problem is that it has the disable_gui patch applied
[23:51] <ScottL> Dustin_, however, network-manager is included on the ubuntu studio dvd
[23:51] <ScottL> Dustin_, do you know how to enable the dvd as a repository?
[23:52] <ScottL> Dustin_, this page shows you how about the cd (or dvd) as repository https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu#CD-ROM/DVD
[23:53] <ScottL> once you have enabled the dvd as repository you need to Refresh you applications list (because you enable a new repository and don't know about which applications it offers until you Refresh the list)
[23:53] <ScottL> and then you can enable network-manager
[23:54] <ScottL> network-manager is the default network manager for ubuntu desktop and should work
[23:58] <Dustin_> ScottL: ok thanks let me try that
[23:59] <ScottL> Dustin_, sure, i'll be on and off for a while and i'll keep checking this channel, if you have troubles again, ask, and idle in channel for a while


[03:19] <karmavil[m]> Hi. I have a question. The message bellow looks more like an issue report but is not:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/9ab1a86cc306904256fabca866a0961acff3e8fc>)
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[03:22] <karmavil[m]> Let me know what do you think about having an option to format the output like that. I understand the project has other priorities, not this one
[03:52] <karmavil[m]> And [related to the last comment](https://github.com/MirServer/ubuntu-frame/issues/143#issuecomment-161165533) I think it might be true. I have set one of the monitors with `orientation: right` (vertical) and the output showed  that it didn't detect the orientation  correctly. I would even adventure to guess that it's not detecting the properties of the second monitor but instead replicating the values of the main monitor
[04:14] <karmavil[m]> * the output on the screenshot below it has
[06:35] <karmavil[m]> Ok forget about it, I should better make somme external auxiliary tool for that.
[06:35] <karmavil[m]> I will remove those messages to avoid you the pain of going through those long messages
[06:37] <karmavil[m]> Mm maybe not. I will leave them there to emphasize my point
[07:00] <RAOF> So, you should be able to filter out by severity.
[07:00] <RAOF> (critical, error, warning, info, debug)
[07:01] <RAOF> It would not be a bad idea (or particularly difficult) to add a journalctl log target with more structured logging.
[07:57] <karmavil[m]> That's nice. Thank you I didn't thought about journalctl I will how it goes. But either way with that, grep or sid I'm pretty sure lot of the people trying out mir would like to avoid having to dig in filtering outputs. It's part of the job thought but I don't know.. I don't feel myself capable of  touching the sources of mir right now so meanwhile I will be reading logs 🙂
[07:57] <karmavil[m]> * I will see how it
[08:05] <RAOF> My general principle with logs is: it's easiest to debug stuff if the relevant information is in the logs when you hit it, so logs should be nice and verbose :)
 "That's nice. Thank you I didn'..." <- There's a GLog example in the demo-server (GlogLogger) that could be used as a template
 "My general principle with logs..." <- I agree. But it makes it hard at the beginning. I will actually think that there is a lot to learn from them, like it's the perfect entry point to understand how mir works
[08:11] <karmavil[m]> * I agree. But it makes it hard at the beginning. I actually think that there is a lot to learn from them, like it's the perfect entry point to understand how mir works
[08:29] <alan_g[m]> I agree too. Any filtering should be in the log reader. (Which the default of dumping as console text doesn't facilitate very well)
[08:37] <karmavil[m]> Yeap. I'm still not clear if there is log file somewhere. But I'm going to start simple. Like  pasting the log from the output.
[08:37] <karmavil[m]> I took a look at journalctl and it adds the date and time in top of the date and time. It's like an those readers of memory (hexadecimal adresses things) having the final message in a fraction of the screen. Nevertheless journalctl could be the source of the logs.
[08:37] <karmavil[m]> Alright thank you for the suggestions
[08:39] <karmavil[m]> s/an//
[08:39] <karmavil[m]> s/an//, s/adresses/addresses/
[08:58] <karmavil[m]> Not the suggestion, the solution :D
[14:15] <alan_g[m]> How does running a DnD test driven by virtual pointer hang Miriway?
[15:55] <alan_g[m]> ...and the answer is that dispatching input events on the Wayland thread is not a great idea as it can hang both the input thread and the Wayland thread


[01:24] <davecheney> are perf events support on armhf/omap4 ? http://lwn.net/Articles/368607/
[01:25] <davecheney> /support/supported/
[10:51] <ndec> ogra_: hi. i just realised that we never really discussed about 12.10 OMAP4 kernel... what do you guys expect?
[11:16] <ogra_> ndec, hmm, not sure, ppisati ^^^ any idea ?
[12:02] <ppisati> ndec: you mean the kernel version? or what else?
[12:10] <ndec> ppisati: how to you plan to manage the OMAP4 kernel? so it's both the kernel version, and the branch strategy.
[12:10] <ndec> and also are you planning to make panda images?
[12:12] <ogra_> oh, a "panda tablet" in germany !
[12:12] <ogra_> http://aldi-nord.de/aldi_ab_mittwoch_0606_48_5_967_15052.html
[12:13]  * ogra_ wonders why anyone would go with 4:3 nowadays ... weird decision
[12:13] <ogra_> bah, and it uses only a 4430
[12:14] <ppisati> ndec: omap4/panda is still our refernce platform wrt arm
[12:14] <ppisati> ndec: so yes, we'll do panda images
[12:14] <ndec> ogra_: i didn't know about this tablet ;-)
[12:14] <ppisati> ndec: if omap4 delta against upstream is small, we could collapse omap3/4 in master and leave a topic branch for omap5
[12:15] <ndec> which kernel version are you shooting for?
[12:15] <ppisati> ndec: 3.5 for sure, but if 3.6 is out in time, we could pick it
[12:15] <ndec> ok. there will be very minimal enablement effort by us on 3.5.
[12:16] <ndec> we are going to spend some more time on 3.4 for customer/products constraints.
[12:16] <ppisati> ndec: ah, and we are going to support any omap5* reference/broadly available that comes out before 12.10
[12:16] <ndec> that includes the tilt tree.
[12:16] <ppisati> ok
[12:16] <ndec> ppisati: i don't think OMAP5 has been discussed.
[12:16] <ndec> i mean between canonical and IT
[12:16] <ndec> TI
[12:17] <ppisati> nope
[12:17] <ppisati> AFAIK
[12:17] <ppisati> but i pick andy's tilt code, so omap5 support is included
[12:17] <ndec> yes.
[12:17] <ppisati> cool
[12:17] <ndec> but there won't be a 3.5 kernel with omap4+omap5
[12:18] <ndec> from us nor andy
[12:18] <ppisati> ah
[12:18] <ppisati> so you are going to stay on 3.4
[12:18] <ndec> yes.
[12:18] <ppisati> ok
[12:18] <ppisati> about 3.6?
[12:18] <ndec> too far away!
[12:18] <ndec> ;-)
[12:18] <ppisati> ok
[12:18] <ppisati> so 3.4 is going to be well supported, i see
[12:19] <ppisati> do you know which kernel will jelly bean use?
[12:19] <ogra_> ndec, i think its based on some lenovo device (medion is owned by lenovo)
[12:19] <ndec> if you use mainline'ish kernel for OMAP4, you are missing 4460 support (e.g. it will run at 600Mz, instead of 1.2). you are missing PM (DVFS, thermal, ...), and you are missing audio analog.
[12:19] <ndec> but you should get everything else.
[12:19] <ndec> including some decent HDMI (display+audio)
[12:20] <ndec> ppisati: jelly bean, there is no official information on it. there are 3.4 branches in google trees. so i guess that's what they will use.
[12:20] <ppisati> hopefully some of this stuff will enter 3.[5|6]
[12:20] <ppisati> i see
[12:21] <ndec> but our decision to stay on 3.4 is not correlated with android. we need to fix some PM issues in 3.4 for a product.
[12:21] <ppisati> ogra_: and indeed fakeroot debian/rules clean binary in a fresh quantal-amd64 chroot chokes on tools too
[12:21] <ndec> i think we should be able to get a 3.6 kernel. but not 100% sure.
[12:21] <ppisati> ndec: ack
[12:21] <ogra_> ppisati, aha, i guess tim should be able to help though
[12:21] <ppisati> ndec: btw there was a nasty bug about freq scaling
[12:22] <ppisati> ogra_: yep
[12:22] <ndec> in 3.3, right?
[12:22] <ndec> ppisati: well, what bug?
[12:23] <ppisati> ndec: kernel hangs after a period of forcefull freq scaling (using a dummy script to stress the cpu and then leave it idle)
[12:24] <ppisati> ndec: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap4/+bug/971091
[12:24] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 971091 in linux-ti-omap4 "Pandaboard ES freezes with the default CPU scaling governor ondemand" [Medium,Confirmed]
[12:24] <ppisati> ndec: when you have time, can you try it (and leave a panda es overnight) with one of your kernel?
[12:24]  * ppisati -> really out to get some food, brb
[12:50] <janimo> ogra_, what is the status with armel, will we have the same images built with it as with armhf for 12.10?
[12:52] <ogra_> we dont build armel images since precise
[12:53] <ogra_> and by the looks of it armel will completely vanish soon
[13:11] <ogra_> janimo, what do you do with armel that you ask ?
[13:12] <janimo> ogra_, nothing, just wondering if we should drop the ac100 armel kernels once armhf + graphics work
[13:12] <ogra_> we should drop them with the next upload imho
[13:12] <janimo> oh right, I forgot there are no images anymore
[13:12] <janimo> great
[13:12] <janimo> I am rebasing on 3.1 now
[13:13] <ogra_> yay
[13:13] <janimo> and I hope to have a working package soon
[13:13] <janimo> sometimes I hate git too :)
[13:13] <ogra_> great, i'll upload my driver package then after the freeze
[13:13] <janimo> especially when rebasing between wildly differing repositories
[13:13] <ogra_> heh
[15:12] <ogra_> hmpf, jasper seems unhappy on the current images
[16:09] <marvin24_DT> janimo: did you acutally tried booting a 3.1 kernel with your config?
[16:09] <janimo> marvin24, yes and it failed :)
[16:10] <marvin24_DT> I guessed so
[16:10] <ogra_> mine works fine over here
[16:10] <janimo> it was a shot in the dark really
[16:10] <janimo> I hate merging config files and reviewing dozens of config entry docs :/
[16:11] <ogra_> you should have kept my packaging ;)
[16:11] <marvin24_DT> yeah, so big thanks for doing it anyway
[16:12] <marvin24_DT> janimo: at least all the CONFIG_*TEGRA* stuff should be enabled
[16:12] <marvin24_DT> I'll give a detailed reply on the list
[16:12] <janimo> ok, I was not sure how much of it is tegra3
[16:12] <janimo> I'll do an updateconfig now but will take all hints from your mail too :)
[16:18] <ogra_> hmof, isntalling PVR on the panda image kills the package manager with held broken packages, fun
[16:22] <ogra_> eeek, infinity we need to patch flash-kernels default bootscr's for all arches i fear...
[16:22] <ogra_> cat /proc/cmdline
[16:22] <ogra_> ro
[16:22] <ogra_> ...
[16:22] <ogra_> indeed debian does neither use quiet nor splash
[16:23] <ogra_> though beyond that it works surprisingly well
[16:23] <marvin24_DT> janimo: you cannot activate something specific for tegra3 if the cpu is not selected
[16:33] <infinity> ogra_: If it works at all, that's something. :P
[16:33] <ogra_> yeah, it seems to work fine apart from my kernel issues
[16:33] <ogra_> (display isnt detected)
[16:33] <infinity> Displays are overrated.
[16:34] <ogra_> especially on preinstalled desktop images without sertial output :P
[16:35] <infinity> ;)
[16:43] <janrinze2> lilstevie: do you accept bugfixes for your git tree?
[16:47] <marvin24_DT> janimo: remember that the 3.1 doesn't need a mem=448M@0 option anymore
[16:47] <marvin24_DT> it may fail to boot if you add one
[16:48] <janimo> marvin24, oh so not only kernel changes but flash-kernel possibly.
[16:48] <janimo> ogra_, do you know what the deal is there ^ ?
[16:48] <ogra_> f-k doesnt have any special options at all in the booltloader setup
[16:50] <marvin24_DT> abootimg provides a standard bootimg.cfg ?
[16:51] <ogra_> nope
[16:51] <ogra_> f-k in quantal isnt tested on the ac100 yet
[16:51] <ogra_> that will likely need some tweaks
[16:52] <ogra_> i wasnt thinking janimo actually uses quantal on his test ac100 though
[16:53] <janimo> I am not doing an SRU with 3.1 but I am on the precise userland when testing
[16:54] <janimo> marvin24, I'll do some tests with the abootimg, I need to flash it anyway as the current kernel does not boot now
[16:55] <ogra_> you dont have sosboot installed ?
[16:57] <janimo> ogra_, I have 2.2 android I think so lost sosboot quite a while ago
[16:57] <janimo> I even forgot about it :)
[16:58] <ogra_> ah, sad
[16:58] <ogra_> makes working on the device so much harder
[16:58] <janimo> I am not sure if I could not go back to 2.1 ar all or it was just too annoying
[16:59] <janimo> well only bad kernel can mess it up, and I knew I'd have to resort to nvflash if I break it, oh well :)
[17:32] <ogra_> janimo, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1025386/ in case that helps you ... thats my config based on the 3.0 one, works fine since about six weeks for me
[17:32] <marvin24_DT> ogra_: what's you mem line if any?
[17:32] <ogra_> tegrapart=recovery:300:a00:800,boot:d00:1000:800,mbr:1d00:200:800 root=UUID=f8d60f31-32db-4655-8276-332dd4c7e703 mem=512M@0M quiet splash
[17:33] <ogra_> thats my cmdline
[17:35] <marvin24_DT> ok
[17:35] <ogra_> works fine with the binary driver
[17:39] <marvin24_DT> yes
[17:39] <marvin24_DT> I haven't tested mem=448M@0 yet
[17:40] <ogra_> well, mem=512M@0M somewhat sounds like we are stealing away all video ram
[17:40] <ogra_> but it doesnt seem to have any bad effect
[17:40] <marvin24_DT> it is reserved by the kernel now
[17:40] <marvin24_DT> I wonder if we need it at all
[17:40] <marvin24_DT> (I'm on for-next and too lazy to compile a 3.1 kernel
[17:41] <ogra_> i can try that if i'm through with the alpha1 tests tomorrow
[17:42] <marvin24_DT> no need, I can try it myself later on
[17:42] <ogra_> well, its not like we are in a hurry for quantal yet :)
[17:44] <marvin24_DT> who made the stupid decission to release a distro every 6 month ...
[17:44] <marvin24_DT> that's a lot of stress for everyone
[17:45] <ogra_> the initial ubuntu dev team did :)
[17:45] <marvin24_DT> if we had more time, I would give u-boot a try
[17:45] <marvin24_DT> get rid of fastboot
[17:45] <marvin24_DT> and android partitions
[17:45]  * ogra_ doesnt care ...
[17:46] <ogra_> if we could have an installer that wouldnt require flashing as the first step, that would intrest me
[17:46] <ogra_> but the few MB you gain by dropping the partitions i dont really care about
[17:48] <marvin24_DT> remember that we still need this tegra/nvidia partitions patch
[17:49] <marvin24_DT> and the ugly command line to support it
[17:49] <janimo> hmm, no boot woth al those config options added
[17:50] <marvin24_DT> janimo: maybe you should try to lay you config beside and try paz00_defconfig first
[17:50] <marvin24_DT> janimo: can you post your config somewhere?
[17:50] <marvin24_DT> I'll try it here
[17:51]  * marvin24_DT just finished porting nvec to device tree and is in danger to get bored
[17:51] <janimo> yes, I may just try a simple defconfig build
[17:51] <janimo> I'll pastebin my config
[17:53] <janimo> marvin24, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1025415/
[18:06] <infinity> janimo: Are there enough cookies in the world to bribe you to figure out what's up with mono on armel?
[18:06] <janimo> infinity, vegan cookies?
[18:06] <infinity> Of course.
[18:07] <janimo> I am not suicidal enough from fighting git rebases and the slight twists in  kernel packaging on various trees that make me dig for hours so why not?
[18:08] <janimo> notice I talk like Ncommander when it comes to mono
[18:09] <janimo> only armel but armhf fine. Ah this is the new armel for v5 ?
[18:10] <janimo> infinity, is our armel like Debian's now?
[18:10] <infinity> janimo: Ish.
[18:10]  * NCommander bails out of the nearest window head first upon hearing NCommander and mono
[18:10] <infinity> janimo: Debian is v4t, we're v5t, but close enough.
[18:11] <janimo> but just enough not to freeload I guess :)
[18:11] <NCommander> janimo: infinity is it a FTBFS or something worse?
[18:11] <infinity> janimo: Freeloading should, in theory, work.  We may have toolchain issues confusing things.  Dunno.
[18:11] <janimo> NCommander, is there worse? :) glibc dobule free causing FTBFS
[18:11] <NCommander> The ARMv7 extensions were at one point #ifdef guarded, but upstream redid that patch a lot which may have broken it
[18:12] <NCommander> janimo: I recommend holy water and a sacrifice to $DIETY
[18:12]  * janimo wonders which deities are monkeys
[18:13] <infinity> Some Hindu ones, probably.
[18:13] <janimo> infinity, wikipedia confirms, and chinese and japanese too
[18:13] <janimo> a latino monkey deity would have been preferable though. oh well
[18:13] <infinity> Heh.
[18:17] <marvin24_DT> janimo: your config booted here
[18:54] <scientes> how do i debug unaligned memory fault in kernel code?
[19:01] <janimo> marvin24, oh nice. It may be a command line option then
[19:02] <janimo> So I may get the boot part, modify the cmdline in some meaningful way and retry
[19:07] <janimo> marvin24_DT, ^
[19:07] <janimo> marvin24_DT, is the nvec DT work required for mainlining?
[19:52] <marvin24_DT> janimo: nvec is already mainlined
[19:52] <marvin24_DT> it is required for the future ;-)
[19:53] <marvin24_DT> tegra arch will remove board files soon
[20:39]  * janimo is using a digital camera to film the ac100 screen while booting. Easier than going through all the trouble of figuring out how to get earlier kernel messages from a hung kernel
[20:40] <janimo> marvin24, here is hangs after Freeing init memory: 336K
[20:41] <janimo> unless I pass --no-log to the kernel it keeps saying it does not find init and ptys, but I see there are similar bugs in LP
[20:50] <janrinze> marvin24_DT: will the ASUS TF101 (transformer) be supported with this new endeavor?
[22:30] <ipersite> hi everybody
[22:31] <ipersite> nobody here?
[22:32] <TypoNAM> we're around, what's up?
[22:32] <ipersite> i need some help with the beaglebone. i think it's a stupid problem.
[22:34] <TypoNAM> I'm not familiar with that board, but I'm sure somebody here will help you figure it if you state what the problem is once they become available ;)
[22:34] <ipersite> thank you in advance :)
[22:35] <ipersite> anyway i just copied the preinstalled image on the sd card (zcat | dd)... put it in the board... and nothing happens!
[22:36] <TypoNAM> as in nothing on the monitor (if you have one connected) or nothing in the serial console (serial port connection)?
[22:37] <ipersite> I see two serial ports once I connect the usb cable (ttyUSB0/1)
[22:37] <ipersite> nothing appears on minicom
[22:37] <ipersite> it's 115200 8N1
[22:38] <TypoNAM> and software and hardware flow control is set to No/None right?
[22:38] <ipersite> exactly
[22:38] <TypoNAM> thats correct then, strange that you get two USB TTY devices from a single USB to serial adapter
[22:39] <TypoNAM> what USB adapter are you using?
[22:39] <ipersite> mmm.. the one integrated on the board
[22:39] <ipersite> Ltd FT2232C Dual USB-UART/FIFO IC
[22:40] <TypoNAM> ahh, an embedded FDTI chip
[22:40] <ipersite> right
[22:40] <ipersite> should i check other serial ports? using ttl to rs232/usb?
[22:41] <TypoNAM> I'm looking up the documentation on the beaglebone, see if I see something you might have missed ;)
[22:42] <ipersite> thanks... i checked all resources on the web, for ex. elinux.org gives instructions for manual installation but those don't apply to my case
[22:44] <TypoNAM> interesting trick/suggestion in the readme to use this instead of minicom: screen `ls /dev/{tty.usb*B,beaglebone-serial}` 115200
[22:46] <ipersite> ls: impossibile accedere a /dev/tty.usb*B: File o directory non esistente
[22:46] <ipersite> ls: impossibile accedere a /dev/beaglebone-serial: File o directory non esistente
[22:46] <ipersite> it means no such file or directory
[22:46] <TypoNAM> which revision of the beaglebone do you have?
[22:48] <ipersite> i think it's a3
[22:49] <ipersite> i'm not sure... wait i'm double checking
[22:49] <ipersite> ok is A5
[22:49] <TypoNAM> hmmmm
[22:50] <TypoNAM> ok, try the second ttyUSB in /dev/ if you haven't already
[22:51] <ipersite> already done... nothing
[22:51] <TypoNAM> what image file did you use to copy from on to the sd card/
[22:51] <TypoNAM> ?
[22:52] <ipersite> the one for omap3 server... (ubuntu-12.04-preinstalled-server-armhf+omap.img.gz)
[22:52] <TypoNAM> that looks right to me
[22:53] <TypoNAM> do you have another sd card you could try it on instead?
[22:53] <ipersite> yes of course. what do i need to try?
[22:54] <TypoNAM> try that same image, but on your other sd card and then place that into the beaglebone just to see if maybe its a problem with the first SD card
[22:55] <ipersite> i tried to flash the same sd with Angstrom dist. and it worked like a charm.
[22:56] <TypoNAM> hmmm, so its just a problem with the ubuntu 12.04 server image huh? :/
[22:56] <ipersite> mmm... i'll try with the desktop...
[22:57] <TypoNAM> the desktop image most likely does not have serial console enabled, of which is the case for pandaboard for example, so you'll need a monitor, keyboard, and mouse hooked up in order to make use of that image
[22:57] <ipersite> i don't have the dvi cape :(
[23:01] <ipersite> ok now i flash the sd with the desktop image...
[23:16] <ipersite> it's slower copying the desktop image that the server one
[23:16] <ipersite> despite the desktop image is 200MB less (compressed)
[23:24] <ipersite> ok finally... i'm testing
[23:25] <ipersite> nothing.. uff
[23:26] <GrueMaster> From what I have been told, beaglebone requires a different kernel.  If so, desktop & server will both fail you.
[23:26] <GrueMaster> (same kernel on both images).
[23:26] <ipersite> oh... and where i can get the working kernel?
[23:28] <GrueMaster> That I don't know.  Try asking on #beagle.
[23:28] <ipersite> thank you a lot.
[23:28] <GrueMaster> The Ubuntu omap image is (iirc) moving to community supported, so...
[23:29] <ipersite> ah...i didn't know that
[23:30] <infinity> We'd be happy if that community told us what we needed to do to make it work on the bone. :P
[23:30] <GrueMaster> Well, don't take my word for it, I no longer work on this project (I just pass on knowledge).
[23:30] <infinity> But I'm not going to buy the hardware and do it myself.  -ENOTIME.
[23:30] <GrueMaster> infinity == slacker.  :P
[23:31] <ipersite> eheheh
[23:31] <infinity> >:(
[23:31] <GrueMaster> You should be able to do it in your sleep.
[23:32] <infinity> I feel like there's a "that's what she said" joke there.
[23:34] <ipersite> ok, thank you guys, i'm going to sleep. bye and thanks again.


[00:00] <wgrant> james_w: I sometimes wonder how people survive without multi-finger tapping...
[00:01] <Awsoonn> wgrant, do I need special hardware or will any touchpad work?
[00:01] <wgrant> Awsoonn: If your touchpad does scrolly things, it's the right kind
[00:02] <Awsoonn> it does inded, how do i enabe multitouch scrolling and tapping and such?
[00:02] <wgrant> Awsoonn: Multi-finger tapping needs to enabling; we have it on by default.
[00:02] <wgrant> But it's very hard to do now.
[00:02] <wgrant> Which is what I'm trying to fix.
[00:02] <wgrant> It worked in Hardy.
[00:02] <pedro_> are you using a macbook?
[00:02] <wgrant> Anybody who feels like testing, even if they don't normally use those features: https://edge.launchpad.net/~wgrant/+archive
[00:02] <Awsoonn> if you ned testers, this is a fresh install I'm on right now
[00:02] <wgrant> pedro_: Me?
[00:02] <pedro_> wgrant: yes
[00:03] <wgrant> Grab the newer xfree86-driver-synaptics from there.
[00:03] <wgrant> pedro_: No.
[00:03] <pedro_> all this multi taping thing reminds me of a macbook
[00:03] <wgrant> pedro_: Why?
[00:03] <pedro_> you know where you don't have a second button for the menu and things like that
[00:03] <wgrant> Macbooks have two-finger scrolling on my default.
[00:03] <wgrant> Ah.
[00:03] <wgrant> I rarely use buttons.
[00:06] <Awsoonn> wgrant, will I need to restart X?
[00:07] <wgrant> Awsoonn: You will.
[00:07] <Awsoonn> or enable it in a config file or anythign after i install your package?
[00:07] <Awsoonn> alrighty then. see you in a flash
[00:07] <wgrant> No config required.
[00:10] <Awsoonn> cool!
[00:11] <wgrant> It works? What have you tried?
[00:11] <Awsoonn> 2 finger tap works prety well
[00:11] <Awsoonn> 3 finger worked once
[00:11] <Awsoonn> it usually just makes my mouse go crazy on teh screeen
[00:11] <wgrant> 3 is hard to get right. You have to ensure the fingers hit around the same time with around the same pressure.
[00:13] <Awsoonn> ok, I got it to work once more
[00:14] <wgrant> It takes a bit of getting used to. But two-finger works reliably?
[00:14] <Awsoonn> yea,
[00:14] <wgrant> Excellent. Thanks.
[00:14] <Awsoonn> scrolling, hasn't worked yet for me here
[00:15] <wgrant> Two-finger scrolling? Is it enabled?
[00:15] <Awsoonn> I don't know
[00:15] <Awsoonn> I dt enable anythign, so I guess not?
[00:15] <Awsoonn> lag is killing my typing here, sorry
[00:15] <Awsoonn> how do I enable the scrolling function?
[00:16] <wgrant> xinput set-int-prop "Your Touchpad's Device Name Here" "Synaptics Two-Finger Scrolling" 8 1 0
[00:17] <wgrant> You can then scroll vertically just by dragging two fingers up or down anywhere on the touchpad.
[00:17] <Awsoonn> how can I find my touchpad's name?
[00:17] <wgrant> xinput list
[00:18] <Awsoonn> does it require a x-restart?
[00:18] <wgrant> No.
[00:19] <wgrant> xinput list-props "Your Touchpad Here"
[00:19] <wgrant> That will show the current settings.
[00:19] <wgrant> You're looking for a "1 0" for Synaptics Two-Finger Scrolling.
[00:20] <wgrant> Just above the middle of that listing.
[00:20] <hggdh> wgrant, this is on your synaptics version, correct?
[00:20] <wgrant> hggdh: Yes.
[00:20] <Awsoonn> ok, I se it in there
[00:20] <hggdh> without restart, I still get the fetch failure on xinput list
[00:20] <Awsoonn> oh that is jsut too cool
[00:20] <wgrant> hggdh: Yep... it's an amd64-specific bug that we're trying to work out.
[00:20] <Awsoonn> I had my fingers too close I guess
[00:21] <Awsoonn> I can boot this int 64-bit too if you need.
[00:21] <wgrant> Awsoonn: We can reproduce it, so that won't be necessary.
[00:21] <wgrant> But thanks for testing!
[00:22] <Awsoonn> hey thanks for doing the hard work!
[00:22] <Awsoonn> maybe you'll be the person I wanted to talk to :)
[00:23] <Awsoonn> rnoicly enough... I cant in here with a problem, on INtrepid, the volume buttons on my laptop cause the vlue to quickly go all teh way to max, and all teh way to low with one press. then the keyboard stops responding
[00:23] <wgrant> .... volume?
[00:23] <wgrant> Do you mean brightness?
[00:23] <wgrant> I've not seen that with volume before.
[00:23] <wgrant> Damn.
[00:23] <Awsoonn> if I were on a micro, I'd say that the interupt wasing being cleared after servicing, but I dont knwo how it works on a computer
[00:24] <wgrant> What kind of laptop is it?
[00:24] <Awsoonn> HP
[00:24] <wgrant> And can you recover by switching to a VT and back?
[00:24] <Awsoonn> I'll try :)
[00:24] <wgrant> And if you run xev and hit a volume key, do you see lots and lots of events?
[00:24] <wgrant> And if you turn off key repeat in System->Preferences->Keyboard, does it fix it?
[00:29] <Awsoonn> not quite
[00:29] <Awsoonn> I have a slightly differant t set of snptoms
[00:29] <Awsoonn> switchign to a VT and back fixes it
[00:30] <Awsoonn> but, turnign off repeat doen'st fix it
[00:31] <wgrant> Hmm.
[00:31] <wgrant> What does xev say?
[00:31] <Awsoonn> it makes it better maybe though, I don tget any mesages in xev, and the volume only goes up one click, but after that one click, the keyboard stops working and it can't go any farther up
[00:31] <wgrant> OK.
[00:32] <wgrant> Hmm
[00:32] <Awsoonn> interestingly enough, i can't evn put my curso in the terminal after it borks
[00:32] <Awsoonn> i'll paste bin you some xev
[00:33] <Awsoonn> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/57192/
[00:35] <Awsoonn> if that means anything to you :) Ibegan to log the xev, presses volume up got one click, couldn't go any farther, then volume down, couldnt go any farther, did a few ups and downs after that for good measure, switched to a VT and back and paste bin'd it
[00:35] <Awsoonn> so you have the story to go with the log.
[00:36] <wgrant> I've so far been unable to catch the kernel guy I need...
[00:36] <Awsoonn> I don't even know where to start looking for that kind of code, otherwise I'd have looked myself
[00:37] <wgrant> Exactly.
[00:37] <Awsoonn> well, e-mail me or msg me if you need more help with it or anything
[00:39] <wgrant> Will do.
[00:39] <wgrant> Thanks.
[00:39] <Awsoonn> accually, do you think you could give me a pointer to where that code might lie?
[00:40] <wgrant> I have no clue.
[00:40] <Awsoonn> you think it's in teh kernel? I was thinkign the same thing, but what module would tha tbe part of?
[00:40] <wgrant> A couple of us think it's in the kernel, yes.
[00:41]  * wgrant knows the kernel not.
[00:41] <Awsoonn> and let em guess, a couple of the kernel guys think it's in X
[00:41] <wgrant> We haven't managed to talk to them yet.
[00:41] <Awsoonn> right on, who is the guy you were hopign to track down?
[00:41] <wgrant> rtg
[00:41] <Awsoonn> awesome, a new name to me. :)
[00:42] <crimsun> wgrant: probably on more readily tomorrow US time, as today is a federal holiday
[00:43] <Awsoonn> rtg is Canadian?
[00:43] <ogra> heh, no
[00:43] <ogra> american
[00:43] <wgrant> crimsun: Aha.
[00:43]  * Awsoonn wonders how many people know it's Canadian thanks giving day
[00:44]  * ogra does
[00:44]  * Awsoonn wonders is ogra is getting turkey tonight
[00:44] <ogra> nah, i had pork, we dont celebrate thanksgiving in germany :)
[00:45] <paulproteus> PMT, Any luck with that btw?
[00:45] <Awsoonn> I recomend you start ThanksGiving in Germany... turkey s delicious afterall.
[00:46] <PMT> paulproteus - trying.
[00:46] <ogra> well, i can have turkey without a reason ;)
[00:46] <PMT> it'll take awhile for me to figure out how to burn battery to trigger this
[00:49] <greg-g> PMT: glxdemo :)
[00:51] <PMT> working on it
[00:51] <PMT> i'm using cpuburn and glxdemo
[00:53] <PMT> gotta travel to b-more
[00:53] <PMT> will call back ca 11 PM sorry :(
[00:54] <james_w> PMT: please drop a note in the bug once you have tested, whether it works or not
[01:34] <james_w> wgrant: do you know what bug 282963 is a duplicate of?
[02:00] <wgrant> james_w: It's a dupe of part of one of my bugs, but that turned out to in fact be two completely different bugs with similar symptoms. I'm not sure it's really a dupe of any.
[02:01] <wgrant> james_w: Oh, I did file bug #261721. That's it.
[02:01] <james_w> it sounded like the one you were describing
[02:01] <wgrant> It is, yes.
[02:01] <wgrant> I'll comment with the current knowledge on my bug, and dupe the other one.
[02:02] <james_w> ah, or is it two bugs and he also has them both?
[02:02] <wgrant> Ehem.
[02:02] <james_w> thanks though
[02:02] <wgrant> It's actually the same laptop.
[02:02] <wgrant> Interesting.
[04:25] <Awsoonn> any reson why tring to install fglrx would want to remove ubuntu desktop as well as xorg?
[04:25] <Awsoonn> 8.10 here btw
[04:26] <Awsoonn> jockey doesn't give me an option to install it interestingly enough as wel
[04:26] <Hobbsee> because fglrx isn't compatible with the new X yet, iirc.
[04:27] <Awsoonn> :D awesome.
[04:27] <Awsoonn> so the solution is to wait then I suppose huh?
[04:27] <Hobbsee> yeah
[04:27] <Hobbsee> and hope that ati upgrades.
[04:28] <Awsoonn> the open source drivers are pretty amazing imho, I've gone a full 2 days and didn't even realize I was using them :)
[04:29] <Awsoonn> in any case, thank you Hobbsee
[04:29] <Hobbsee> Awsoonn: you're welcome
[06:11] <dholbach> good morning
[06:27] <Taim> So I am running up against a possible bug where my system hangs just after logging in.  I want to say it is either 1.  Network-Manager related, 2.  ATI xorg related or 3.  Something completely other.  The problem is that the system hangs so bad, sysreq magic and other fun things don't work.
[06:27] <Taim> I look at the usual suspect logs, but I don't see anything that really stands out to me.
[06:28] <Taim> I am also starting to wonder if it isn't a hardware issue as it only happens on a cold boot after being down for more than say 1 hour.
[06:28] <Taim> After that, a power cycle clears it up even if it's a hard reboot.
[06:52] <Taim> So, uhmn....I don't want specific help.  Was hoping to get some idea of exactly how to traige where this should go.
[06:56] <PMT> moop.
[06:56] <PMT> Taim - what wireless card are you using?
[06:56] <Taim> Atheros AR5001X+ (rev 01)
[06:56] <PMT> A-ha.
[06:57] <PMT> you're connecting to a WPA network, aren't you.
[06:57] <Taim> Sure am.
[06:57] <PMT> High-five. Welcome to ath5k land.
[06:57] <Taim> mnn..
[06:57] <Taim> Should have guessed.
[06:58] <PMT> :)
[06:58] <PMT> This is hardly conclusive.
[06:58] <PMT> I'm just another user with the ath5k card and bugs with it doing the same thing.
[06:58] <Taim> True true.
[07:03] <Taim> So, although it is yet something else to travel down, I am seeing only 1 bug on Atheros for anything 8.10.
[07:03] <Taim> It also doesn't mean that this is truly my problem.
[07:03] <PMT> hold please
[07:04] <Taim> <hold music> in my head.
[07:05] <Taim> Rick Astly even in my head...that's bad.
[07:06] <PMT> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/261142
[07:07] <PMT> bug 269253
[07:07] <PMT> bug 276508
[07:07] <PMT> also bug 272185 (it's mislabeled as being intel-specific)
[07:09] <Taim> How are you searching on this?  I tried an advanced search with "Atheros" and "ath5k" as seperate queries.  To help me narrow down, I selected any of the intrepid and 8.10 milestones in the advanced search.
[07:09]  * PMT shrugs.
[07:09] <PMT> I happen to have found these bugs by being subscribed to them. :)
[07:10] <Taim> All I got was bug 263543
[07:11] <PMT> searching with ath5k on ubuntu bugs works for me...
[07:11] <PMT> as a simple search
[07:11] <PMT> http://xrl.us/otsmf
[07:12] <Taim> Interesting.
[07:12] <Taim> I was expecting more noise from previous versions.
[07:12] <PMT> ath5k was just enabled in intrepid. :)
[07:13] <PMT> rather - it was just shipped in the kernel in a kernel version between hardy and intrepid.
[07:13] <Taim> haha, so true...
[07:13] <PMT> so we get to be test dummies. :)
[07:13] <Taim> Never thought about that.
[07:14] <PMT> I happened to be following the driver's development, so that's why I knew that to start.
[07:15] <Taim> Ah.  It's only a passing interest as it's only a backup machine for me.
[07:16] <Taim> I usually try to keep my wireless to Intel cards.
[07:17] <PMT> bdmurray - was this a not-subtle hint to go to #ubuntu?
[07:18] <bdmurray> PMT: nope, its nearly the 14th in my tz
[07:18] <PMT> oh, I didn't get a diff against the topic in my client, so I was guessing. :)
[07:20] <PMT> Taim - ah, it's my new laptop, so I have a slightly more active interest.
[07:22] <PMT> ooh, james_w, testing now
[07:22] <Taim> PMT: I understand.
[07:23] <PMT> james_w - tragically, the version with your patch still crashes.
[09:42] <Tumie> hi guys, i'm using an EEEPC with EEEbuntu,, but if a window is too big for my screen (800*480), and i click on something, it goes to the other (not viseble) side of the window,, i just can't click something..
[09:44] <leoquant> Tumie try #ubuntu
[09:44] <Tumie> (this happens with xchat: server -> edit & amsn -> webcamsettings
[09:44] <Tumie> ok,
[09:45] <persia> Tumie, Or try ubuntu-mobile (assuming you're willing to test intrepid)
[12:41] <seb128> dholbach: so what are those harvest review buttons supposed to do?
[12:46] <persia> seb128, It just puts it in the "reviewed" category, in the hopes that other people don't have to review the same thing.
[12:46] <seb128> persia: so there is no way to hide items?
[12:47] <persia> seb128, Not really.  Mark Reviewed is the closest to hiding.  Used to be that you couldn't even do that.
[12:48]  * ogra hands seb128 a black edding marker
[12:48] <persia> ogra, The problem with using those on harvest is that it makes it hard to read the other applications.
[12:49] <persia> seb128, I think Mark Reviewed takes it off the primary list.  If it doesn't, you could file a bug.
[12:49] <ogra> t works as long as you dont scroll
[12:49] <persia> ogra, It breaks when I open a new application.
[12:49] <ogra> so dont open it :P
[12:49] <ogra> your screen is trashed by then anyway, who would want to open other apps
[12:50] <persia> heh
[12:51] <seb128> I was looking at harvest, it's useful but really noisy
[12:51] <seb128> lot of incorrect changes, closed bugs, duplicates, etc listed
[12:52] <ogra> you could use little black tape stries though, thats less harmfull
[12:52] <ogra> *stripes
[12:53] <seb128> hum, harvests seems to list all the fedora patches that are stored on their cvs
[12:53] <seb128> which means lot of patches which are deprecated and not used, they tend to clean the spec but let those there too
[12:54] <persia> seb128, For the incorrect/dupes/etc. complain to bdmurray, who produces the LP input scripts.  For fedora, complain to dholbach, but I suspect the suggestion will be to mark all the reviewed patches reviewed, and then we only see the new ones (which could be useful).
[12:54] <persia> Yeah, fixing the fedora importer to parse the spec file is probably a good idea.
[12:56] <seb128> bug #248103
[12:56] <seb128> apparently the mark reviewed button not working is a known issue
[12:58] <seb128> the service used to list the nbs has outdated informations
[12:59]  * ogra thinks probably mark doesnt simply have the time ...
[12:59] <persia> Frustrating.  Mark Reviewed used to work.
[12:59]  * ogra stops making silly jokes now
[13:26] <dholbach> persia: what seb128 said
[13:26] <dholbach> it's a harvest bug
[13:26] <dholbach> no idea, why it's failing
[13:26] <dholbach> I'll investigate
[13:26] <seb128> dholbach: thanks
[13:26] <seb128> dholbach: the fedora cvs listing old patches combined to the button non working makes it difficult to have clean lists
[13:27] <dholbach> seb128: I know
[13:28] <seb128> dholbach: I guess that the "list bugs has being closed upstream when other upstream tasks are closed but not the corresponding one" is a launchpad bug, right? you use the filter to list bugs which are closed upstream there?
[13:28] <dholbach> seb128: it's a LP bug and it's filed already
[13:28] <dholbach> seb128: which filter?
[13:29] <dholbach> seb128: that's a list that bdmurray generates - I'm not sure how much filtering and intelligence is added
[13:29] <dholbach> the tasks mismatch is really annoying :/
[13:30] <seb128> dholbach: the show bugs which are resolved upstream launchpad search option
[13:30] <seb128> dholbach: anyway as you said that's a launchpad bug
[13:31] <seb128> dholbach: I guess the only bug on your side there is the review button not always working (and maybe the fedora list that should be filtered using the spec too)
[13:31] <dholbach> yeah, and I'm sorry not taking a look at it earlier
[13:32] <dholbach> I'm a bit busy with all kinds of things right now
[13:32] <dholbach> need to head off for the berlin bug jam in a bit too
[13:34] <seb128> dholbach: everybody is busy no blame, I was just looking at cleaning the harvest desktop list to maybe start promoting it for contributors
[13:34]  * dholbach hugs seb128
[13:40]  * seb128 hugs dh
[13:41] <james_w> debhelper?
[13:42] <seb128> james_w: no, dh<tab> to match dholbach who just left the channel ;-)
[13:42]  * james_w hugs yada
[13:43]  * Hobbsee boots james_w into the middle of next milenium
[13:43] <seb128> hey Hobbsee
[13:43] <Hobbsee> hey seb128!
[13:43] <Hobbsee> james_w: should we trust any of your uploads, if you like yada?  :)
[13:44] <james_w> it's not the yada you should worry about
[13:44] <Hobbsee> it's the checkinstall?
[13:45]  * james_w has a set of homebrewed erlang scripts to do packaging
[13:45] <james_w> debian/control, what's that?
[13:54] <persia> james_w, In case you weren't around, at one point discussion of yada was a kick-worthy offense.  Not sure if that's still being enforced.
[13:54] <james_w> heh :-)
[13:54] <Hobbsee> persia: it should be.   But i've already been dealing with nutcases today, and am getting lazy.
[13:55] <persia> Hobbsee, It used to be, although I've not seen anyone kicked for it since Dapper.
[13:55] <Hobbsee> persia: well, people got told off for kicking other people.  Or acting, really, at all.  So people try not to act as much as possible.
[13:55] <Hobbsee> at least in userland and such
[13:56] <persia> Interesting.  Not sure that's best, but at least good to know.
[13:56] <Hobbsee> persia: yeah, i think many people hold your opinion, but, what can you do?
[15:35] <joumetal> does bug 99505 have enough information to be confirmed?
[16:04] <savvas_> has anyone noticed a bug report about intrepid, when ejecting a cd/dvd rom, it inserts it back in?
[16:06] <persia> savvas_, Yes.  I don't remember the number offhand, and it doesn't happen for me (my hardware isn't like that), but it's worth searching for it.
[16:07] <savvas_> I tried to search but couldn't find it :\ the package responsible seems to be "eject" package right?
[16:10] <leoquant> savvas: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/264011
[16:13] <leoquant> ejecting cd rom/dvd rom problems seems to be related to mac´s (in intrepid)
[16:14] <savvas_> not a mac, sorry :)
[16:16] <savvas_> This is my dvd drive:       product: DVD-RW  DVR-212       vendor: PIONEER
[16:17] <savvas_> seems to be my case, thanks leoquant:)
[16:18] <leoquant> nop
[16:18] <savvas_> hm.. so I should file a different bug report?
[16:19] <leoquant> i think so
[16:21] <savvas_> ah wait you're right
[16:21] <savvas_> my cd/dvds can be eject, but they are inserted right back in
[16:21] <savvas_> *ejected
[16:22] <persia> I'm sure I saw someone discussing that a couple days ago, but if you can't find the bug, and file a new one, perhaps someone will mark it duplicate, or discover it is truly different.
[16:25] <savvas_> which package should I use? eject or hal?
[16:26] <savvas_> or some other?
[16:26] <bdmurray> Trying it in a tty w/o being logged into X might help determine that
[16:27] <savvas_> bdmurray: should I stop gdm and try from a tty?
[16:27] <bdmurray> savvas_: logging out of X should be enough
[16:28] <savvas_> ah cool, let me save my work and I'll give it a shot
[16:28] <savvas_> be right back
[16:34] <savvas0> well um.. I used the eject command in a tty and it still ejects and re-inserts the dvdrom
[16:35] <savvas0> I'll try with the eject button on the device again
[16:38] <bddebian> Boo
[17:01] <savvas0> sorry for the delay, the dvdrom isejected and  inserted right back in, even while in tty
[17:03] <bdmurray> savvas0: and that is when you press the button?
[17:03] <savvas0> yes bdmurray
[17:05] <savvas0> I've shut down the machine, booted and used tty1
[17:06] <savvas0> another weird thing was that while in tty, I used ls -l /media/cdrom0 and the contents of the dvd media were "total 0"
[17:06] <bdmurray> seb128: could you look at 279158?
[17:09] <seb128> bug #279158
[17:10] <seb128> bdmurray: what about it?
[17:11] <bdmurray> seb128: is gnome-spell really redundant and should those packages be updated?
[17:11] <persia> There's quite a few redundant dependencies in the seeds currently.  This late in the cycle doesn't seem the best time to try to hunt them down and fix them.
[17:11] <seb128> bdmurray: evolution doesn't use it nowadays, I'll update it in the next upload, not sure about either something else is using gnome-spell though
[17:12] <seb128> s/either/whether
[17:23] <savvas0> um.. another problem I have is that when I switch tabs in a program, like firefox, it doesn't show all the contents of the current tab
[17:24] <savvas0> I hope this weird behaviour is reported, because I really don't know how to phrase it or which package is in question, since I've noticed this on other programs as well
[18:34] <Treenaks> Is there any more I can do for bug 281825?
[18:44] <chrisccoulson> Treenaks - you could subscribe 'ubuntu-main-sponsors', as you have attached a patch for the problem
[18:45] <LaserJock> bdrung: around?
[18:46] <Treenaks> chrisccoulson: ok
[18:59] <bdrung> LaserJock: yes
[19:01] <LaserJock> bdrung: sweet
[19:01] <LaserJock> bdrung: looking at bug #278764
[19:02] <LaserJock> just added a comment
[19:02] <bdrung> we should switch the default backend to TkAgg or GtkAgg
[19:02] <LaserJock> bdrung: we need to set TkAgg as the default backend
[19:02] <bdrung> currently matplotlib pulls both in (tk and gtk)
[19:02] <LaserJock> bdrung: I had an idea though, that we should maybe create python-matplotlib-gtk and python-matplotlib-qt metapackages
[19:03] <bdrung> LaserJock: good idea.
[19:03] <LaserJock> even if somebody has python-qt{3,4} installed there are deps on other gnomeish packages like python-glade2
[19:04] <bdrung> maybe add python-matplotlib-tk too
[19:04] <LaserJock> it's not just python-gtk2 vs python-qt4
[19:04] <LaserJock> well, I was thinking we'd keep tk and wx in a base python-matplotlib
[19:05] <LaserJock> so those are the base and then if you want the more DE-specific backends you can add those on
[19:05] <LaserJock> hmm, though wx is wxgtk
[19:05] <bdrung> LaserJock: currenlty${shlibs:Depends} pulls gtk libs
[19:05] <bdrung> wx should be part of mpl-gtk
[19:05] <LaserJock> right
[19:06] <LaserJock> hmm, it's slightly complicated
[19:06] <LaserJock> in terms of upgradability
[19:07] <LaserJock> we'd probably want python-matplotlib to depend on mpl-gtk and mpl-qt and like mpl-base (that has tk and the rest of the deps)
[19:08] <LaserJock> or maybe it wouldn't need to dep on mpl-qt as that's never been default
[19:08] <bdrung> qt was never default
[19:09] <LaserJock> but we shouldn't take away backends that people have already had :-)
[19:09] <bdrung> but mpl-gtk would conflict with mpl-qt
[19:09] <LaserJock> would it conflict?
[19:10] <bdrung> or how do you would handle /etc/matplotlibrc?
[19:10] <LaserJock> well, I was thinking that mpl-base would always be installed and would have the default (TkAgg)
[19:11] <LaserJock> and then you'd want to put in a note somewhere that if you want GTK or Qt backends you need to install the packages
[19:11] <bdrung> mpl-gtk should have GtkAgg as default
[19:11] <LaserJock> but you're right, the -gtk and -qt packages should set those as the default
[19:12] <LaserJock> bah, mpl has *too* much choice :-)
[19:12] <bdrung> yes :)
[19:12] <persia> You could use alternatives for the front-ends.
[19:13] <LaserJock> hmmmmm
[19:13] <persia> And have the configuration point at the base alternative.
[19:13] <LaserJock> that's a good idea
[19:13] <LaserJock> so we'd just have 3 different maplotlibrc files in /etc
[19:13] <LaserJock> -base, -gtk, -qt
[19:13] <bdrung> should -qt use QtAgg or Qt4Agg as default?
[19:14] <persia> When doing this, create the virtual mpl-frontend package, and have each frontend Provide: it, so you can add/remove later at leisure.
[19:14] <persia> Qt4Agg for intrepid.
[19:14] <LaserJock> yeah
[19:14] <LaserJock> we can do python-qt4 | python-qt3 I think and default to Qt4
[19:14] <bdrung> we should contact the debian maintainer
[19:15] <LaserJock> ok, that's Jaunty stuff though
[19:15] <LaserJock> for Intrepid should we revert to TkAgg or GtkAgg?
[19:16] <LaserJock> I thought GtkAgg has some issues
[19:16] <bdrung> mom
[19:17] <LaserJock> I was thinking move moving python-tk into the | line so we'd have: python-tk | python-gtk2 | python-wxgtk2.8 | python-qt3 | python-qt4
[19:18] <persia> Wait, is all of this in *one* binary package?
[19:19] <LaserJock> yes
[19:19] <LaserJock> that's the current situation
[19:19] <LaserJock> and people are sometimes a bit upset that they have to download like 100MB just to install this plotting library
[19:19] <persia> I'd be very tempted to split the frontends into separate binary packages, just so each would have the correct dependencies.
[19:20] <persia> Oh, yes, especially for a 100MB package.  That calls for splitting :)
[19:20] <LaserJock> the package isn't 100MB, it's really small
[19:20] <LaserJock> it's the deps that kill us
[19:21] <bdrung> have a look at bug #220137. if the current version fixes this we should use GtkAgg
[19:24] <LaserJock> bdrung: it works with TkAgg here but not GTKAgg
[19:25] <LaserJock> I *thought* we were defaulting to TkAgg not Agg
[19:25] <bdrung> with mpl 0.98.3?
[19:25] <LaserJock> that's my bad for not checking that more thoroughly
[19:25] <LaserJock> 0.98.3-3ubuntu2
[19:25] <bdrung> gtkAgg was default a long time (if i read the changelog correct)
[19:25] <bdrung> ok, then use TkAgg
[19:26] <LaserJock> it was yes, to give a default GUI backend
[19:26] <LaserJock> I thought Debian was using TkAgg by default (I swear that's what the Debian maintainer said)
[19:26] <LaserJock> but it's actually Agg, which is not GUI
[19:26] <LaserJock> since I already change the backend I didn't notice it
[19:27] <LaserJock> so I'll move python-tk to the front of the backend |
[19:27] <LaserJock> and people will have to just deal with installing some gnome libs for Intrepid
[19:27] <LaserJock> I think it's too late to split everything up and get alternatives set up, etc.
[19:28] <LaserJock> and we need to talk to Debian about that
[19:28] <bdrung> please grab the debian changes 0.98.3-4
[19:28] <LaserJock> yeah
[19:29] <LaserJock> I should have most of them in, but not all
[19:29] <LaserJock> I grabbed a bunch of the changes in -4 from SVN when I uploaded our -3ubuntu1
[19:29] <bdrung> if you have the package ready i would like to have a look at it
[19:35] <bdrung> LaserJock: last comment in bug #278764: upstream should add an "auto" backend, which scans which backend is available
[19:41] <LaserJock> bdrung: I gotta run. I'll whip up a package and send it too you if you like
[19:42] <bdrung> LaserJock: yes
[19:42] <bdrung> or debdiff
[19:42] <bdrung> i found a typo. i will upload a fix to debians svn
[19:43] <LaserJock> bdrung: do you have commit access to the svn repo?
[19:44] <bdrung> yes
[19:44] <bdrung> since some weeks
[19:44] <LaserJock> wow, sweet, was that easy to get?
[19:44] <bdrung> yes
[19:44] <LaserJock> cool
[19:45] <bdrung> make an account on alioth.debian.org and request to join the python project
[19:45] <LaserJock> I gotta run, as I said, I'll send you an email today
[19:45] <LaserJock> or attach a debdiff to the bug, or something
[19:47] <bucket529> Need someone to change bug 282313 from 'Undecided' to 'Wishlist' - triaged packaging request
[19:55] <bdrung> bucket529: done
[19:55] <bucket529> bdrung: Thank you.
[20:24] <bdmurray> bucket529: Hi!  I've noticed you've assigned a few bugs to the grub package is that right?
[20:52] <azimout_> anyone here from bugcontrol?
[20:54] <bdmurray> azimout_: I am
[20:54] <azimout_> hi, bill murray
[20:54] <azimout_> regarding this bug:
[20:55] <azimout_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linda/+bug/191565
[20:55] <azimout_> the package is not in the repositories of hardy and intrepid, not in debian, and generally abandoned
[20:55] <azimout_> what should we do about this bug?
[20:56] <RAOF> Wontfix it, saying that it's been removed from current & development versions.
[20:57] <RAOF> Since that bug doesn't appear SRU worthy, Intrepid's the only place that bug applies, anyway.
[20:57] <azimout_> sorry, i meant brian murray. bill murray is the actor :-$
[20:59] <azimout_> that is correct
[21:08] <raboof> should this be a bug against the kernel (which fails to suspend) or acpi-support (which fails to unmount the remote disk before suspending), or both?
[21:08] <raboof> suspend fails when I try to suspend while a cifs partition that went offline is still mounted.
[21:13] <chrisccoulson> raboof - your problem might be with pm-utils
[21:13] <chrisccoulson> or the kernel
[21:15] <raboof> chrisccoulson: hmm, i'm not sure I'm using pm-utils
[21:15] <raboof> i'm calling /etc/acpi/sleep.sh (from acpi-support)
[21:15] <raboof> actually I don't quite see how pm-utils and acpi-support relate :)
[21:16] <chrisccoulson> acpi-support is largely obsolete. with a normal configuration, pm-utils is used. Are you calling sleep.sh with the 'force' option?
[21:17] <raboof> chrisccoulson: no, only 'sleep'
[21:17] <raboof> so pm-utils replaces acpi-support nowadays?
[21:18] <chrisccoulson> this is a desktop right? with full gui? is gnome-power-manager running?
[21:18] <chrisccoulson> if gnome-power-manager is running, then /etc/acpi/sleep.sh just exits without doing anything
[21:18] <raboof> it's a desktop with X, but gnome-power-manager is not running
[21:19] <chrisccoulson> ah, ok, so it will take care of the sleep. normally, the request to sleep from the desktop goes through HAL, which uses pm-utils
[21:21] <raboof> i'll see if pm-suspend works for me, too
[21:26] <raboof> ok, seemed to work nicely. So the recommende way is to use pm-utils - can I safely remove acpi-support from the system?
[21:28] <chrisccoulson> so, pm-suspend works successfully?
[21:28] <chrisccoulson> i would keep acpi-support, as acpid uses it to handle acpi events from the kernel
[21:28] <chrisccoulson> only remove acpi-support if you're not using acpid
[21:29] <raboof> i seem to be using that (or at least, it's running :) )
[21:29] <raboof> weird to have 2 so similar services in place though
[21:32] <chrisccoulson> well, there is a bit of overlap but they aren't that similar
[21:33] <raboof> well, they both seem to have a sysvinit-like way of configure what happens on suspend/wakeup - though it looks like pm-utils' is a lot simpler
[21:34] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i think you're right. but acpi-support contains scripts to handle a variety of ACPI events from the kernel (not just suspend/hibernate)
[21:37] <chrisccoulson> whilst everybodies minds are focused on gnome-power-manager, i have an issue which I think might be g-p-m (or it could be gnome-session). i wouldn't mind somebodies opinion before i open a bug report
[21:38] <chrisccoulson> basically, i have g-p-m set to ask me what to do when the power button is pressed (which I think is the default). In this case, the upstream logout session-dialog appears when i press the power button. If you don't respond to the dialog, it logs you out automatically after 60 seconds.
[21:38] <chrisccoulson> the problem is when multiple users are logged on to the system. if i press the power button, then the session dialog appears on everybodies desktops (including inactive users). 60 seconds later, all of the inactive users get logged out!
[21:38] <chrisccoulson> fantastic!
[21:42] <james_w> nice
[21:42] <chrisccoulson> can you recreate that?
[21:43] <james_w> let me try
[21:43] <james_w> I believe ted is going to upload a change so that it tries to call over dbus to request the shutdown dialog instead
[21:44] <james_w> I don't know if this will have an effect here
[21:44] <james_w> chrisccoulson: is the logout dialog global?
[21:44] <james_w> i.e. if the active user cancels no-one gets logged out?
[21:44] <chrisccoulson> only the users who don't click get logged out
[21:45] <chrisccoulson> the logout dialog is just the gnome-session logout dialog
[21:45] <chrisccoulson> teds fix to call the 'shutdown' dialog will make it worse, as that shuts the machine down if you don't respond within 60seconds
[21:46] <chrisccoulson> so even if the active user cancels the dialog, the machine will still shut down without warning in 60s
[21:46] <chrisccoulson> ouch!
[21:46] <james_w> chrisccoulson: yeah, let's hope that won't happen
[21:46] <chrisccoulson> hopefully. so, g-p-m shouldn't really call the session dialog unless the users session is the active one, should it?
[21:49] <james_w> I'm not sure it can know
[21:51] <chrisccoulson> it must be able to though, because it knows not to automatically suspend the machine or turn off the monitor when a user is inactive
[21:51] <chrisccoulson> unless that is enforced elsewhere?
[21:54] <james_w> well, something should be able to
[21:54] <james_w> it uses consolekit to do that, so we probably need some more consolekit love here
[21:54] <james_w> when the user presses the power button pop up a dialog to all active sessions
[21:55] <james_w> if the user chooses to shutdown then ask to confirm if there are multiple users logged in?
[21:55] <chrisccoulson> that would be good.
[21:55] <james_w> dealing with a timed shutdown isn't going to be good though
[21:55] <chrisccoulson> the session dialog already pops up a policykit auth prompt if you try to shut down when multiple users are logged in
[21:57] <RAOF> dbus has the concept of active console; there are a bunch of policies which allow only the active console to frob the knob.
[21:58] <chrisccoulson> RAOF: is that 'at_console'
[21:58] <RAOF> I think it might be.
[21:59] <chrisccoulson> doesn't that open it for anyone logged in at a console (active and inactive)?
[22:00] <james_w> RAOF: that's deprecated now, replaced by consolekit
[22:03] <chrisccoulson> i'll open a bug report against g-p-m for this problem anyway. i wonder if it was an issue in hardy?
[22:03] <chrisccoulson> there was no timeout on the session dialog in hardy though
[22:07] <RAOF> james_w: Oh.  I thought it was talking to consolekit.  Oh, well.
[22:08] <james_w> well, sorry, I think it is implemented via consolekit now
[22:08] <james_w> but I believe 'at_console' itself is deprecated, and hoped to go away
[22:09] <RAOF> Poor at_console :)
[22:09] <james_w> chrisccoulson: yeah, I can reproduce
[22:09] <chrisccoulson> thanks!
[22:11] <james_w> chrisccoulson: would you /join #ubuntu-desktop for a minute?
[22:11] <chrisccoulson> np
[23:01] <azimout> question: support for feisty ends in less than 5 days (19.10.2008)
[23:02] <azimout> there's still 131 bugs associated with it
[23:02] <azimout> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+bugs
[23:02] <azimout> what are we going to do about that?
[23:06] <greg-g> azimout: the simple answer: it depends
[23:07] <greg-g> it depends on the bug and if it is reproducible in any later version
[23:10] <azimout> i see. thanx
[23:11] <charlie-tca> I got at least one in work, it's a memory leak against feisty but may carry over
[23:17] <barmymatt> Hi. I've provided some information on a bug and have now been asked to start the application from terminal (no problem) and to "attach my trace".  How do I create the trace that I'm being asked for?... or where should I look for more info? Cheers.
[23:17] <greg-g> charlie-tca: yeah, best thing to do is to see if you can reproduce it with Intrepid.
[23:17] <bdmurray> barmymatt: what bug?
[23:18] <charlie-tca> We're working on it
[23:18] <barmymatt> 273159 - a problem with mythbuntu control centre
[23:18] <bdmurray> bug 273159
[23:19] <barmymatt> that's the one....
[23:20] <barmymatt> so... how do I create the trace that I'm being asked for?
[23:23] <bdmurray> barmymatt: it's not clear to me what he is looking for but you can find Mario (superm1) in #ubuntu-devel
[23:24] <barmymatt> bdmurray: thanks, I'll find him.
[23:39] <MTecknology> so - if a bug is marked Invalid, that means that it doesn't exist which means it could have been fixed or not, but nobody is on the other end to say that it is either way...
[23:39] <MTecknology> is that right?
[23:41] <bdmurray> Bugs can also be Invalid because there wasn't enough information to determine the root cause so Fix Released is inappropriate.
[23:41] <afflux> hello
[23:54] <afflux> back from 5 days without internet, thanks to my isp, reading my bug mail. Just saw this mail from tdflanders: Hi there Pedro, Kjell Braden is not responding, possibly on a Holiday. I am reassigning all compiz.real bugs to you, since I do not know the developers of this package. I will also notify the launchpad team. This is obviously a very important bug. Cheers, Thomas.
[23:55] <afflux> This guy obviously has too much free time.
[23:55] <bdmurray> afflux: that's interesting
[23:55] <afflux> he filled my inbox with ~40 mails, all containing about the same content but in different duplicates of the same bug.