[14:56] <nvez-> Hello everyone.. I have identified a bug that has regressed (few other people reported it). I created a new bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1435363
[14:58] <apw> henrix, ^
[14:58] <henrix> looking...
[15:00] <henrix> nvez-: there's a new kernel in -proposed that should be released soon... have you tried it?
[15:01] <nvez-> henrix: I haven't tried anything yet, I just wanted to make sure to get the ball rolling on it by starting first steps of opening a bug, etc.
[15:01] <nvez-> I just saw the same exact behaviour when I first had that bug, made that change and it's worked fine now.
[15:02] <nvez-> made that change = disable KSM
[15:02] <henrix> ack
[15:02] <nvez-> I haven't done more in depth testing but I think servers running mdraid are affected but those with hardware weren't
[15:02] <nvez-> But don't quote me on that yet, it's just something I've noticed but don't have 100% confirmation on
[15:03] <nvez-> The iowait was insanely high on mdraid machines for no reason, but hardware had no issues.  I didn't check if they were affected or not.
[15:39] <infinity> henrix: The "new kernel in proposed" is in updates/security.
[15:43] <mnaser> sorry, i disappeared.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1435363
[15:43] <mnaser> added data here
[15:43] <mnaser> i'll look at the proposed kernel if i can run it on a server and replicate
[15:44] <henrix> infinity: ack, thanks
[15:44] <henrix> mnaser: looks like the kernel is now in -updates (and security)
[15:46] <infinity> mnaser: Just a simple update/dist-upgrade should get you -48 ... Would be worth seeing if the bug's still there.
[15:46] <mnaser> henrix: just out of curiosity, are you proposing to upgrade just to see if its still there, or because it was patched/seen?
[15:46] <mnaser> oh ok
[15:47] <mnaser> henrix i might be making noise..
[15:47] <mnaser> the server which i suspect was seing most of the issues
[15:47] <henrix> mnaser: i was simply wondering if the issue was fixed in the new kernel
[15:47] <mnaser> was running 3.13.0-32-generic
[15:48] <henrix> mnaser: ah, that's a much older kernel...
[15:48] <mnaser> *sigh* i guess this machine wasnt updated
[15:48] <mnaser> let me do some more checks :X
[15:48] <mnaser> i'm very sorry about this if this is the case
[15:49] <henrix> mnaser: yeah, i was looking at the bug logs and i see a few ooops there, so i would definitely upgrade and see what happens with a newer kernel
[15:50] <mnaser> nope i can confirm
[15:51] <mnaser> this issue exists on a machine running 3.13.0-46-generic
[15:52] <mnaser> i'll be setting up a new machine either today or tomororw
[15:52] <mnaser> similar specs
[15:52] <mnaser> ill tets it out
[15:52] <mnaser> *test it out
[15:56] <henrix> mnaser: ack, thanks.  please update the bug report with those results (and the logs)
[15:56] <mnaser> good idea
[15:56] <mnaser> can i just run apport again?
[15:56] <henrix> mnaser: or, if it's easier for you, just open a new bug and simply mark this one as a dup ;)
[15:57] <henrix> mnaser: yes, re-running apport should do be enough (i guess...)
[15:57] <mnaser> i'll remove the logs i uploaded there
[15:57] <mnaser> just in case that someone looks over itagaina
[15:57] <mnaser> and dismisses it because they see -33
[16:00] <apw> df
[16:02] <smb> apw, you use too much space
[16:02] <apw> smb, always
[16:04] <mnaser> henrix: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1435363 bug updated
[16:11] <henrix> mnaser: ack, thanks.  i'll have a look in a bit
[16:35] <henrix> mnaser: is the bug easily reproducible?  if so, could you add the steps to reproduce in the bug report?
[16:36] <henrix> mnaser: probably, it's a perf degradation, right?  or do you actually see a crash/hang...?
[18:55] <Sleaker> I'm curious what the linux-lts-utopic package is for, and what the benefit of moving to the 3.16 kernel over the 3.13 provides.
[18:56] <Sleaker> oh maybe I found it on the 14.04 section of the Ubuntu wiki under Kernels.
[18:56] <Sleaker> support cycle for 3.13 is the full 5 yrs and the 3.16 is only 18 months
[19:00] <infinity> Sleaker: It's purely for hardware enablement reasons.  If 3.13 is working for you, there's no reason to use the HWE kernel(s).
[19:01] <Sleaker> infinity: alright, thanks.  do the point releases come with the newer kernel preinstalled?
[19:01] <Sleaker> like 14.04.2
[19:01] <apw> yes
[19:03] <infinity> Sleaker: Depending on what media you install from, but yes.
[19:04] <Sleaker> infinity: hmm ok. Seems odd for canonical to not support the default install media for as long as the LTS is valid.
[19:06] <Sleaker> thanks for the answers though, that's what I needed.
[19:07] <infinity> Sleaker: When 16.04 ships, we strongly encourage (and tools yell at you) people using one of the HWE kernels to upgrade to the 16.04 lts backport kernel, which is supported for the rest of 14.04.
[19:07] <infinity> Sleaker: It's just the interim ones we drop support for.
[19:07] <Sleaker> right.
[19:07] <infinity> Sleaker: For instance, on 12.04, the 12.10, 13.04, and 13.10 kernels are no longer supported, but the 12.04 (3.2) and 14.04 (3.13) kernels are supported until 12.04 EOL.
[19:07] <Sleaker> just seems odd to ship a kernel that wont be supported across the full release but label it as such.
[19:08] <Sleaker> ie, 14.04.2 ships the 3.16kernel, but support gets dropped after 18 months, wheras the full release is supported long past that?
[19:08] <infinity> Sleaker: You're not the only person who thinks that.  Many of us are just cogs trying to make do with the requirements given to us. ;)
[19:08] <Sleaker> mhmmm
[19:08] <Sleaker> just glad I didn't get that kernel in atm.
[19:08] <Sleaker> :D
[19:09] <Sleaker> hopefully don't need it for the new hardware we'll be testing on either.
[20:09] <mnaser> henrix: sorry, went afk, ill update more details on how i identify the issue
[21:44] <backjlack> Hello!
[21:44] <backjlack> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.18.9-vivid/ is missing MEMCG configuration.
[21:45] <backjlack> The entire memory cgroup is missing.


[17:36] <mgz> hm, looking at this osutils path manip stuff makes me want to resurrect the old Just van Rossum plan for Path objects.
[17:37] <mgz> if we have to make everyone use the osutils versions already we could at least provide an api that doesn't suck quite so much.
[22:30] <poolie> hi all
[22:44] <peitschie> hi poolie
[22:49] <elmo> is it relatively easy to get the modification time of files that have changed (i.e. would appear in bzr st output) through bzrlib or should I just parse the output of bzr st?
[22:53] <mwhudson> elmo: getting the mtime from a path is pretty easy
[22:53] <mwhudson> i think getting the list of files that would appear in st might be a little annoying
[22:55] <spiv> elmo: the_tree.get_file_mtime(file_id)
[22:56] <poolie> hi peitschie, elmo, spiv, mwhudson
[23:47] <spiv> poolie: if you can get the code out of the error class without regression performance then that would be nice
[23:47] <poolie> i'd much rather regress the feature than the performance
[23:47] <poolie> after all this isn't even something someone specifically asked for
[23:47] <spiv> That's true.
[23:48] <poolie> it was kind of inferred from "they wouldn't have got confused if ..."
[23:49] <spiv> I think maybe it's occasionally come up in user support on IRC too, but only very occasionally.
[23:49] <poolie> oh, seeing that reminded me of the url escaping thing too
[23:51] <spiv> I'm personally pretty relaxed about it now that the open_repository call is confined to str(e).  So constructing and repr()ing the exception is simple and safe, and it's only when generating text for display to a user we do the extra work (although I can see an argument for making that be something other than str(e) to be more careful).
[23:51] <spiv> But if you'd rather remove this marginal feature, that's fine with me too.
[23:53] <poolie> i guess it's dropped down my priority list too now
[23:53] <poolie> i would really rather not see code like that come in in future though
[23:53] <poolie> i think exceptions really should be value objects, or very close to it
[23:53] <poolie> (i realize it's a tradeoff)
[23:55] <spiv> Perhaps if we had other exceptions that wanted to provide that sort of hint when displayed to a user we'd find a better a home for the hint-generation/error-formatting.


[22:51] <davidstrauss> Am I correct to interpret the docs as saying the minimum for an upstart script is simply an "exec" line?
[22:55] <ion> That’s optional, too.
[22:55] <ion> The minimum job definition is an empty file.
[22:56] <ion> There are a number of important use cases where a job doesn’t have a main process.
[22:56] <davidstrauss> ion, dependency routing?
[22:57] <ion> For instance, something that changes the system state in some way in the pre-start script and changes it back in the post-stop script, such as /etc/init/apport.conf
[22:59] <davidstrauss> ion, One more question. What does this mean by "optional arguments to pass to it"? "exec gives the path to a binary on the filesystem and optional arguments to pass to it"
[22:59] <ion> % echo foo
[22:59] <ion> foo
[23:00] <davidstrauss> ion, Should that instead say "and, optionally, arguments to pass to it"
[23:00] <ion> “foo” here is an argument. From Upstart’s point of view, all program arguments are optional.
[23:01] <davidstrauss> ion, Sure. I'm just trying to figure out if the doc is trying to say that (1) upstart manages optional arguments to an executable in some configurable way or (2) that upstart allows you to pass in arguments on the exec line
[23:02] <ion> 2
[23:02] <davidstrauss> ion, OK. Where can I file a request to revise the docs?
[23:02] <ion> As a bug report on Launchpad, or as a merge request on Launchpad.
[23:05] <davidstrauss> ion, the getting started guide doesn't appear in the source branch; am i missing something?
[23:05] <ion> Ah, i was thinking you were reading init(5) or something.
[23:06] <davidstrauss> ion, I'm reading this: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/getting-started.html
[23:07] <ion> I guess one could still report a bug against Upstart, since the web page is part of the project, kind of. Or bug Keybuk on IRC. :-)
[23:12] <davidstrauss> ion, https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart/+bug/689939


[00:05] <vorlon> 3:10:41elapsed
[00:05] <vorlon> hah, missed it by 10 minutes
[00:05] <vorlon> I'll bump the timeout to 4h for right now
[00:06] <sarnold> ha :)
[07:19] <ricotz> tjaalton, hello :), I hoping you will have time today to take a look at libreoffice/lunar SRU
[08:54] <bdrung> please accept nvme-stas from the lunar new queue (for the SRU)
[10:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ddcci-driver-linux [source] (jammy-proposed) [0.4.1-3ubuntu2]
[10:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted dm-writeboost [source] (jammy-proposed) [2.2.13-1ubuntu3]
[10:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted evdi [source] (jammy-proposed) [1.12.0+dfsg-0ubuntu2~22.04.2]
[10:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted adv-17v35x [source] (jammy-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1]
[10:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted linux-apfs-rw [source] (jammy-proposed) [0+git20220214+ds-2ubuntu2~22.04.2]
[10:17] <tjaalton> bdrung: needs an AA
[10:21] <bdrung> tjaalton, Alkaline, NiMH, or Li-ion? ;)
[10:24] <tjaalton> hah
[10:25] <bdrung> I have some spare batteries.
[10:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted iptables-netflow [source] (jammy-proposed) [2.6-2ubuntu2]
[10:27] <tjaalton> maybe some admin needs more juice ;)
[10:33] <tjaalton> ricotz: I don't see 7.5.4 in mantic yet
[10:35] <tjaalton> so I don't see why the rush
[10:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mysql-8.0 [source] (lunar-proposed) [8.0.33-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[10:39] <ricotz> tjaalton, 7.5.4 is in mantic rc2 = final
[10:39] <ricotz> there is no need to do a no-change rebuild in mantic, so having a lower version for some time is and was acceptable
[10:45] <ricotz> tjaalton, please review and accept it under this condition
[10:45] <tjaalton> ok, well I had no prior knowledge of this, and the bug didn't mention it
[10:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libreoffice [source] (lunar-proposed) [4:7.5.4-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[10:49] <ricotz> tjaalton, thank you very much
[14:28] <bdrung> vorlon, please accept nvme-stas from the lunar new queue (for the SRU)
[14:48] <jbicha> vorlon: please remove gdm3 from lunar-proposed per comments on bug 2020641 that it is unverifiable
[14:48] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Bug 2020641 in gdm3 (Ubuntu Jammy) "Installing or removing apps through snap-store launches another gdm session" [High, Fix Committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2020641
[14:48] <jbicha> on that series
[15:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mysql-8.0 (kinetic-proposed/main) [8.0.33-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 8.0.33-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (core, i386-whitelist, ubuntu-server)
[15:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mysql-8.0 (jammy-proposed/main) [8.0.33-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 8.0.33-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (core, i386-whitelist, ubuntu-server)
[15:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mysql-8.0 (focal-proposed/main) [8.0.33-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 8.0.33-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-server)
[15:24] <vorlon> bdrung: I don't see nvme-stas in the lunar new queue
[15:24] <vorlon> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lunar/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=
[15:24] <vorlon> bdrung: in fact I see it in the lunar release pocket
[15:29] <vorlon> jbicha: I would like to understand why "patching lunar is unlikely to be useful" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/2020641/comments/24
[15:29] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2020641 in gdm3 (Ubuntu Jammy) "Installing or removing apps through snap-store launches another gdm session" [High, Fix Committed]
[15:30] <vorlon> since it's a reversal of vanvugt's previous comment about it being a generic bug
[15:31] <jbicha> vorlon: does comment 20 help?
[15:33] <vorlon> jbicha: that establishes that there's no practical reproducer outside of DCV, but it doesn't explain vanvugt's comment that it's not useful to fix on lunar
[15:33] <vorlon> jbicha: I would consider accepting a blind verification (comment #23) if this were an SRU-worthy useful fix for users on lunar
[15:35] <jbicha> vorlon: I'll ask vanvugt to follow up on Monday since we won't push the SRU before then anyway
[15:35] <vorlon> jbicha: thanks
[15:36] <jbicha> I didn't realize blind verification was possible in some cases :)
[15:37] <vorlon> jbicha: sometimes when a bug is severe but has no reproducible test case, we will accept smoketests instead
[15:46] <vorlon> jbicha: btw, the argument against verification seems to be that there are no non-LTS images in DCV.  But does DCV somehow prohibit release upgrades? Perhaps we consider it unlikely due to the target audience for the platform, but that could be both a test case and an argument for fixing
[15:47] <jbicha> fabiomirmar: ^
[16:59] <bdrung> vorlon, sorry, my bad. i meant jammy new queue: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jammy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=
[17:49] <Trevinho> vorlon: hey did you see this https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2023/06/05/%23ubuntu-release.html#t12:47 ?
[18:43] <bdmurray> vorlon: Given that r-cran-dtplyr is stuck in -proposed and blocked by r-base and r-cran-dtplyr is also fixed in Debian. Would removing it from -proposed and waiting for it to sync work?
[18:59] <vorlon> Trevinho: hi! I did but have only managed to context switch back to SRU work today
[18:59] <Trevinho> vorlon: ok ok... np, so, what should I do there? can I just re-upload?
[19:00] <vorlon> Trevinho: so my understanding is that yes, there was some prior discussion about this, and other members of the SRU team were similarly uncomfortable with changes that are stated to be unrelated and unused, but that would impose a burden on us to verify that this is true
[19:00] <vorlon> Trevinho: why not patch those changes back out?
[19:00] <Trevinho> vorlon: I understand that...
[19:01] <Trevinho> vorlon: so that would imply forking to a packaging branch only for yaru... Instead of having upstream stable code together with ubuntu one
[19:02] <Trevinho> now... We can do that, it's just I think would be just easy to check once that no meson.build file has references to the upstream folders and then add SRU documentation for that. Once that's done I assume it's easier to see from diffs if something changes that
[19:03] <Trevinho> indeed it requires some effort on first change, but then thigs should go without having to split
[19:07] <vorlon> Trevinho: from the SRU team side, I don't find this very compelling.  I see that yaru-theme is a native package; but you're telling me that there are changes to it for the benefit of "upstream" that cause churn in Ubuntu.  This does not sound to me like an appropriate use of native packaging; and if it's not a native package, then yes, you will have an Ubuntu branch that diverges from upstream
[19:09] <vorlon> also branches are cheap, DVCSes are good, and divergences from normal Ubuntu processes are expensive
[19:10] <Trevinho> that's fine, I'll handle that upstream differently then
[19:10] <vorlon> ok
[19:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nautilus (lunar-proposed/main) [1:44.0-1ubuntu2 => 1:44.2.1-0ubuntu1] (ubuntu-desktop)
[19:29] <vorlon> bdmurray: you're saying that the fixes from r-cran-dtplyr 1.2.2-1ubuntu1 have been upstreamed, therefore we can remove that package and sync the new Debian version?
[19:30] <vorlon> bdmurray: (you could also just force-sync over it, in that case?)
[19:31] <bdmurray> Yes, that is what I'm saying.
[19:32] <vorlon> bdmurray: right, I think syncpackage -f is appropriate here and doesn't require an archive admin's involvement :)
[19:33] <bdmurray> Gotcha
[19:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mutter [source] (lunar-proposed) [44.2-0ubuntu1]
[19:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-shell [source] (lunar-proposed) [44.2-0ubuntu1]
[19:51] <jbicha> vorlon: could you review appstream-glib for focal? Brian accepted the Jammy version into proposed yesterday (same patches)
[20:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: yaru-theme (jammy-proposed/main) [22.04.4 => 22.04.5] (ubuntu-desktop)
[20:03] <Trevinho> vorlon: ok that version should be fine ^
[20:14] <blackboxsw> hey vorlon or other SRU vanguards. If there is time today to an initial unapproved review of cloud-init SRU into -proposed for F,J,K,L series that would be great. I think we've hit PTO or EOD for other SRUers the last couple of days. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/2023110 If no,  time, nothing critical here, just a desire to get some bake/test/verification time in.
[20:14] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2023110 in cloud-init (Ubuntu) "sru cloudinit (23.1.2 to 23.2)" [Undecided, In Progress]
[20:16] <vorlon> jbicha: I expect I'll get there before the end of the day
[20:16] <vorlon> blackboxsw: I'm looking at it right now
[20:16] <blackboxsw> YEAH!!! Christmas came early
[20:17] <blackboxsw> I've closed the bionic task due to us missing the "closed" queue
[20:17] <vorlon> that is maybe the saddest Christmas ever
[20:17] <blackboxsw> heh, set the bar low and constantly be amazed
[20:19] <fabiomirmar> vorlon, jbicha: I'm sorry, I was on-and-off on several meetings and tickets... I saw your comment/question on DCV... DCV is actually a .deb, and it fails on Lunar if you try to install it (errors with "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dcv/dcv: symbol lookup error: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libatk-bridge-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_string_free_and_steal")... I believe if I try to do-release-upgrade it will also break the same way, but I'm testing
[20:19] <fabiomirmar> it as we speak
[20:19] <vorlon> fabiomirmar: uh wow
[20:20] <jbicha> fabiomirmar: do we have source code for the deb?
[20:20] <fabiomirmar> I even tried to hack it, but it was looking more like a frankenstein and I believe it lost the purpose of validating if it would work with Lunar
[20:20] <fabiomirmar> hmmm, not sure if this is open source... let me see
[20:21] <vorlon> fabiomirmar: well bits of it are open source, because that error means they're shipping a bundled copy of libglib-2.0.so.0!
[20:22] <jbicha> yes, I saw that error with something using glib. But undefined symbols seems very odd for jammy->lunar. It's more expected the other way around
[20:23] <fabiomirmar> yeah, not really open
[20:23] <fabiomirmar> https://download.nice-dcv.com/eula.html
[20:24] <vorlon> The lunar libatk-bridge2.0-0 has a versioned dependency on libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.75.3) which implements that function (grep g_string_free_and_steal /var/lib/dpkg/info/libglib2.0-0\:amd64.symbols).  That error message from installing a deb can only mean it's improperly hijacking libglib-2.0.so.0
[20:27] <fabiomirmar> yeah, it must be it...
[20:27] <vorlon> $ dpkg -c nice-dcv-server_2023.0.15065-1_amd64.ubuntu2204.deb |grep libglib
[20:27] <vorlon> -rw-r--r-- root/root   1277456 2023-04-27 01:43 ./usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dcv/libglib-2.0.so.0
[20:27] <vorlon> $
[20:27] <vorlon> delete that file ;P
[20:27] <fabiomirmar> and if I do-release-upgrade from jammy to kinetic it works, but then when I do it from kinetic to lunar, it breaks... when starting dcvserver I get and error with the same issue
[20:27] <fabiomirmar> Jun 09 20:26:46 ip-172-31-21-13 systemd[1]: Starting dcvserver.service - NICE DCV server daemon...
[20:27] <fabiomirmar> Jun 09 20:26:46 ip-172-31-21-13 dcvserver[1992]: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dcv/dcvserver: symbol lookup error: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libatk-bridge-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_string_free_and_steal
[20:28] <vorlon> anyway yeah if you have to hack the debs to get a use case for reproducing it then it's obviously not a real-world use case
[20:29] <fabiomirmar> yeah... I started trying to hack, but then got to this conclusion that it would lose its purpose
[20:29] <fabiomirmar> in this case, what should we do with the gdm3 SRU for lunar?
[20:30] <vorlon> fabiomirmar: I would like to still hear from vanvugt about why he says it's "not useful to fix" given that he previously says it's a general bug
[20:30] <fabiomirmar> vorlon, ack... let's wait for him to chime in on Monday
[20:31] <fabiomirmar> Thanks for looking into this
[20:33] <vorlon> blackboxsw: packages/debian whyyyyyyy
[20:34] <vorlon> makes filtering debdiffs inconvenient :P
[20:34] <vorlon> shame on you making the SRU team read
[20:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cloud-init [source] (lunar-proposed) [23.2-0ubuntu0~23.04.1]
[20:35] <blackboxsw> we've tried hard to not do any work for the last couple cycles to cut down on reading. but, alas the community keeps contributing :)
[20:37] <blackboxsw> ohhh right packages/debian.... yeah the sample build scripts are there for quick developer helpers and some downstreams actually use them as a guide for packaging basics... maybe worth dropping that at some point
[20:38] <blackboxsw> or minimally just pulling it out of cloud-init and into a separate repo
[20:40] <vorlon> blackboxsw: LP: #1724623 is called out in the changelog but has no SRU test case; do you want to provide a test case, or remove the bug reference?
[20:40] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 1724623 in apport (Ubuntu) "Update ubuntu cloud info" [Medium, Fix Released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1724623
[20:41] <vorlon> (for most packages, the answer would be "it's a packaging change that affects interaction with the rest of the OS so it should have a test case" but um apport is about the least critical part of cloud-init's interaction with the OS, so)
[20:41] <blackboxsw> vorlon I'll provide a test case for that. looks straight forward
[20:41] <vorlon> ok
[20:41] <vorlon> blackboxsw: ditto LP: #1956788
[20:41] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 1956788 in cloud-init "system_cfg not read on Oracle datasource" [High, Fix Released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1956788
[20:42] <blackboxsw> yes we have to validate that for sure given it's a significant change for Oracle DS requested by them on LTSes
[20:42] <blackboxsw> ditto: will carve out test verification
[20:42] <vorlon> so should there be a test case attached to that bug specifically?
[20:42] <vorlon> ok
[20:49] <vorlon> jbicha: tell me about the cherry-picks on nautilus for lunar, please.  are we guaranteed to have had the same upstream testing before they landed in the gnome-44 branch that we would have before a gnome 44 point release?
[21:05] <jbicha> vorlon: I have now added Test Cases 2 and 3 to test those 3 fixes since no, there isn't quite the same upstream commitments for cherry-picks that aren't in a stable release yet
[21:05] <jbicha> I'm heading out for an appointment, have a good weekend!
[21:23] <blackboxsw> test procedures added for both LP: #1724623 and LP: #1956788
[21:23] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 1724623 in apport (Ubuntu) "Update ubuntu cloud info" [Medium, Fix Released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1724623
[21:23] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 1956788 in cloud-init "system_cfg not read on Oracle datasource" [High, Fix Released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1956788
[21:32] <bdmurray> blackboxsw: I think there is a typo in your test case 'lxc file push openstack.json dev-$release/run/cloud-init/instance-data,json'
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[21:44] <vorlon> bdmurray, blackboxsw: also 'ec2.son'?
[21:45] <bdmurray> That's right son
[21:45] <bdmurray> It must be Friday!
[21:45] <vorlon> fail.son
[21:45] <blackboxsw> ahh man.... keyboreds are hard
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[23:11] <vorlon> Trevinho: I guess I'm confused; the latest yaru-theme update I see in the queue still includes the delta in question to the cinnamon theme?
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[00:48] <hpidcock> a quickee https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10582
[01:34]  * thumper looks
[01:34] <thumper> lgtm hpidcock
[01:35] <hpidcock> difficult one wasn't it
[01:37]  * thumper nods
[04:47] <timClicks> thumper: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10534
[04:47] <thumper> ta
[04:57] <thumper> timClicks: looks like you've lost a heading now
[05:00] <timClicks> thumper: fixed
[05:28] <wallyworld> anastasiamac: small review PP? https://github.com/juju/names/pull/97
[05:30]  * anastasiamac looking
[05:35] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: lgtm with some pondering :)
[05:35] <wallyworld> ty
[05:59] <timClicks> shiny new project README: scroll down to the bottom of https://github.com/juju/juju/


[04:44] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:46] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: \0 .
[04:47] <lotuspsychje> hey there Bashing-om
[04:47] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: hows the night been?
[04:47] <Bashing-om> slow, not much action ... 'buntu getting too tame ?
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> lol
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> lotus gonna wake them up
[04:50] <Bashing-om> seems they do come out when you come on :)
[04:54] <lotuspsychje> :p
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: rocknroll! :p
[05:14] <Bashing-om> Yer getting into the groove :) Me, I am falling asleep .
[05:23] <Bashing-om> !bootiso
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> !grub2iso
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> !isoboot
[05:27] <Bashing-om> And ... that's all folks - g nite
[05:27] <lotuspsychje> nite Bashing-om
[06:18] <EastTexas> How secure is uBuntu vs Mint or Fedora or OpenSUSE or Manjaro?
[06:20] <wafflejock> EastTexas, really depends on what you mean by that exactly and what extra packages you install or configure and how you go about that
[06:21] <wafflejock> EastTexas, I've heard Mint has had issues in the past with not updating packages that had security issues, but would have to dig into those stories to see what the truth of that is Manjaro or any rolling release you will be downloading source and building so can get the latest as it comes out but that may be more or less secure/stable depending on the particular package/maintainers
[06:24] <EastTexas> I'm looking at web & graphic design apps like Krita, GIMP, Inkscape, Scribus others
[06:24] <wafflejock> Been a long time since I've used OpenSUSE but hear they have both a regular release and a rolling release option (or at least are working on it) Fedora I've never really run... pretty much always used debian based stuff mostly due to availability of .debs originally and now cause I do web dev and it's convenient to have the same LTS on a server and my dev machine
[06:25] <wafflejock> you can search for particular versions of packages in different versions of Ubuntu here but for the most part should be fine http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[06:25] <wafflejock> scribus is the only one I've not used at all
[06:25] <EastTexas> I use Bluefish
[06:25] <wafflejock> mm never used that one
[06:26] <wafflejock> I use IntelliJ stuff mostly phpstorm
[06:26] <EastTexas> it's good even on W7
[06:26] <wafflejock> used SublimeText for a while there, VSCode isn't bad for modern JS and stuff
[06:26] <wafflejock> yah might check it uot
[06:26] <wafflejock> out*
[06:26] <EastTexas> thanks
[06:27] <wafflejock> yeah they've got that here too http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=bluefish&searchon=names&suite=yakkety&section=all
[06:27] <EastTexas> is there a way to override deny from in htaccess & send wp hackers to hell.com?
[06:28] <wafflejock> eh can do your redirects in the .conf files too don't need to use .htaccess files for the most part when you control the server
[06:28] <wafflejock> the main apache conf in /etc/apache2 will have what's allowed from htaccess files too
[06:29] <EastTexas> I'm cheap using a shared server
[06:29] <wafflejock> how cheap is the shared server?
[06:29] <wafflejock> if it's more than free just get a VPS :)
[06:30] <EastTexas> hostmetro
[06:31] <wafflejock> hmm yeah that's pretty cheap can do a VPS for $5 though
[06:31] <wafflejock> digital ocean or linode
[06:33] <EastTexas> I HATE digital ocean or linode all they do is try & Scrape or Hack my Site!  All IP Ranges are BLOCKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:34] <wafflejock> ah well that's not really the providers fault
[06:34] <wafflejock> why not just use fail2ban
[06:34] <wafflejock> people come in from AWS or Azure too I'm sure or any number of other ways
[06:35] <EastTexas>  I also blocked today all of 'deny from 38' due cogentco.com, psi-net.com bots & hackers    I had a string 30+
[06:35] <EastTexas>  ips
[06:36] <EastTexas> what is fail2ban?
[06:36] <wafflejock> fail2ban will watch logs it does some regex on the files in the logs to get IP addresses of computers that are doing malicious things and bans their IP using iptables I'm pretty sure for a set amount of time
[06:37] <wafflejock> by default has some configs for ssh and smtp and some other things
[06:38] <EastTexas> I have walled off from everyone except the USA works like a charm... daily attacks from .ua, .ru, .fr, .nl
[06:38] <wafflejock> basically I just keep my firewall locked down except ports that must be open and then have fail2ban for any services that are open to being knocked on, turn off password based ssh login and just use a pub/private key pair only open ssh for your IP
[06:38] <wafflejock> yeah if all your traffic/customers are in one region that's fine
[06:39] <EastTexas> I do USA only...
[06:39] <wafflejock> there are also hardening tools you can run to help point out possible issues you can fix with your configuration to help lock it down more or let you know where there are potential holes
[06:40] <EastTexas> No pays are hard in the USA, worse over the border...
[06:40] <wafflejock> for the most part things are pretty secure to start though
[06:40] <wafflejock> yah
[06:40] <wafflejock> I've had good luck working with people internationally really
[06:40] <EastTexas> there are a few holes here and there.. mostly .ca for some odd reason?
[06:41] <wafflejock> but could see how that could be really bad
[06:42] <wafflejock> yeah well problem with any explicit IP range banning is those IPs might be redistributed or whatever and then you end up blocking someone because of old geoip information
[06:42] <EastTexas> Infected Jail-Broken SmartPhones
[06:42] <EastTexas> FYI - Block This Bad User Agent:* com.google.GoogleMobile/23.1.0 iPhone/10.2.1 hw/iPhone6_1
[06:43] <EastTexas> it targets graphics
[06:44] <EastTexas> http://androidforums.com/threads/the-second-half-of-mobile-security.1003172/
[06:44] <wafflejock> was listening to a tech podcast the other day where some service wasn't letting this guy sign up because it thought he was in China because of his IP
[06:46] <EastTexas> I can relate my US ISP was sold to Canadians & they half the sites thinks I'm from there...
[06:47] <EastTexas> https://www.webmasterworld.com/search_engine_spiders/4836796.htm
[06:49] <EastTexas> Here is a new bad UA:  Java/1.7.0_09-icedtea
[06:50] <EastTexas> I also had a bad attack from .cn today they tried over 50 times!
[06:51] <EastTexas> too bad I can't remote format their computer 8(
[06:52] <wafflejock> EastTexas, hah ah well it happens if no one is hammering on your server it probably isn't online
[06:53] <EastTexas> They only think I'm using WP ;}
[06:53] <wafflejock> yeah there are always tons of bots looking for old WP installs to exploit
[06:54] <EastTexas> I hate WP...
[06:54] <wafflejock> I'm with ya
[06:54] <EastTexas> I think a micro CMS might be the way to go for most sites?
[06:56] <EastTexas> you know it's late when cooking commercials are on....
[06:57] <EastTexas> I miss the Ronco Commercials
[06:57] <wafflejock> I've got a homebrewed thing for drag and drop to make "blog pages" and has online invoicing baked into it something along the lines of what square space offers but just building it to avoid reinventing the wheel for customers we have with small businesses that want roughly the same stuff
[06:58] <wafflejock> people want a "blog" and sort of rightly so if they actually publish new content to it but can't deal with working with or maintaining WP
[06:59] <wafflejock> I mean I can't deal with it, but most people developers or not who have tried are of the same opinion
[06:59] <EastTexas> if it works it works, but it better be secure 4 sure
[07:00] <EastTexas> What I don't like WP patch this that & the other thing too...
[07:00] <EastTexas> left the word about out...
[07:01] <EastTexas> if I could only click'n edit a post...
[07:02] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:02] <wafflejock> yeah keeping the plugins and themes and wp itself up to date is a mess also just not a fan of having PHP write out the front end the way it does, I like having all my client and server side stuff as separated as possible
[07:02] <wafflejock> o/
[07:02] <EastTexas> good night folks.... gota catch some zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz's
[07:02] <wafflejock> 'night
[07:03] <EastTexas> Which is better Fedora 25 or Mint?
[07:03] <EastTexas> or Ubuntu XFCE maybe GNOME?
[07:06] <EastTexas> My head almost hit the keyboard...
[07:06] <EastTexas> night ya'll
[07:10] <ducasse> morning all
[07:12] <linuxterminali_>  hey anyone here I need help in deciding what part of my pc's hardware causing choppiness and random
[07:13] <linuxterminali_> freezes for couple of second
[07:13] <linuxterminali_> so that i can upgrade that part
[07:18] <lordievader> Hey ducasse, how are you doing?
[07:19] <ducasse> good thanks, and you?
[07:23] <lordievader> Doing good too :)
[07:25] <ducasse> had your morning coffee yet? :)
[07:28] <EriC^^> morning ducasse lordievader
[07:28] <ducasse> hi EriC^^, how are you doing?
[07:29] <EriC^^> great, you?
[07:29] <lordievader> ducasse: Not yet.
[07:29] <lordievader> Hey EriC^^
[07:32] <ducasse> good here as well, EriC^^, just a quiet morning. _really_ nice weather today.
[07:34] <EriC^^> same here, weather is ok slightly better
[07:41] <lordievader> Pretty cloudy here again, though it seems the wind has gone down a bit.
[07:48] <ducasse> just sun and blue sky here, and just about all the snow/ice is finally gone. not too sad about that last bit.
[08:16] <lotuspsychje> working day, have a nice one guys
[10:10] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:16] <OerHeks> hi di hi
[11:22] <ducasse> mmmmmmmmmorning!
[11:23] <OerHeks> monday payday , how are you ducasse
[11:23] <ducasse> good enough, how about the two of you?
[11:24] <OerHeks> it is raining cats and dogs
[11:24] <OerHeks> so Drabber is happy :-D
[11:24] <ducasse> he likes rain?
[11:25] <OerHeks> well, the light is growing, and the grass too, he wants to go out all the time
[11:27] <ducasse> same with luna, she's out for an hour plus at a time, hasn't been that since november or so.
[11:28] <OerHeks> today i started to put my plants outside too
[11:28] <OerHeks> maybe a little cold, but i think they like it
[11:29] <OerHeks> next step: bigger pots and fresh soil
[11:29] <ducasse> ah, i got my mother to promise to help me do a little planting outside by my porch when it's warm enough.
[11:29] <OerHeks> gardening is fun, yeah
[11:30] <OerHeks> a little efford gives a ton of joy
[11:30] <ducasse> i want to see what i can keep alive :)
[11:32] <ducasse> i have a bit of space here where i'm allowed to grow stuff if i want, so i thought i'd try to make something out of it.
[11:33] <OerHeks> get a bag of seeds, and try
[11:34] <OerHeks> birdseed will do too
[17:18] <ducasse> damn it, every time crazytux is asked for something he is currently on mint, but insists he'd really using xubuntu. he's been doing this for ages now to get support from us.
[17:25] <OerHeks> yes, ioria is in PM with him
[17:26] <ducasse> about that or helping him?
[17:27] <ducasse> last time he was here i asked him to try 16.04 since mint works, but he was really reluctant. curious if he did it.
[17:27] <OerHeks> helping ..
[17:29] <ducasse> it just annoys me that he thinks we're idiots who won't suspect he's lying...
[17:30] <OerHeks> normally i would not say 'i doubt that'
[17:34] <OerHeks> the longer we give support, the more strict we become :-D
[17:34] <ducasse> but thankfully it looks like he has stopped wasting our time with questions like 'will installing lxde in addition to xfce slow things down' again and again and again :)
[17:46] <ducasse> OerHeks: what grep options do you use the most? i'm adding some stuff to the grep wiki article.
[17:48] <OerHeks> i mostly grep ip adresses and usernames in my irc-logs
[17:49] <OerHeks> just came over this site, https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.nl/ .. nvidia driver is a collection of holes
[17:52] <ducasse> what isn't these days? *sigh*
[18:01] <ducasse> gtg, bbl
[19:34] <Bashing-om> !persistence
[20:16] <Bashing-om> Yard chores, back in a bit .
[21:12] <Bashing-om> Did not take long for splitting out for fire wood to get real old . R&R !
[21:13] <daftykins> :)
[21:26] <Bashing-om> !raid


[00:38] <bluesabre> rafaellaguna: In case the question is still out there, I'm the xubuntu technical lead
[00:39] <bluesabre> I hopped on this channel to listen for bugs common to our projects
[18:34] <gsilva> hello all
[18:58] <gsilva> wxl, does this mean our meeting has been approved? http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/meeting/22484/community-1505-planning-session/
[19:52] <wxl> yes gsilva !
[19:53] <gsilva> Great :D
[20:00] <gsilva> What's next, wxl ? Should we invite all TLs from the mailing list and later invite the users from the users mailing list?
[20:00] <wxl> gsilva: yep
[20:01] <wxl> gsilva: find the blueprint, too (shoudl be linked)
[20:55] <gsilva> okay, done for the TLs. Soon I'll take care of the other part of the task
[22:33] <gsilva> wxl, you around?
[22:34] <gsilva> or someone comfortable with bazaar
[22:54] <ianorlin> I might be why gsilva ?
[22:55] <gsilva> ianorlin, in this section of LP (https://code.launchpad.net/lubuntu-manual) I have a branch lp:lubuntu-manual
[22:55] <gsilva> and that huge load of stuff to push the code
[22:56] <gsilva> how can I fix that to be equal - branch lp:lubuntu-manual and push lp:lubuntu-manual?
[23:02] <ianorlin> your local branch ah I haven't figured that out either
[23:02] <ianorlin> I think it is bzr merge
[23:12] <wxl> gsilva: what up?
[23:12] <gsilva> wxl ^
[23:13] <wxl> looking
[23:13] <wxl> um hold on
[23:15] <wxl> gsilva: give me the output of `bzr info`
[23:16] <gsilva> 1 sec
[23:33] <gsilva> apologies
[23:33] <gsilva> An old friend was provoking me to exchange some tracks
[23:33] <gsilva> damn, good ol'days
[23:36] <gsilva> wxl, here you go: http://i57.tinypic.com/11il7pi.jpg
[23:39] <wxl> gsilva: i see nothing
[23:39] <wxl> sends me to http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=11il7pi&s=8
[23:39] <gsilva> and now? http://i57.tinypic.com/11il7pi.jpg
[23:39] <gsilva> w8
[23:39] <gsilva> http://tinypic.com/r/11il7pi/8
[23:40] <gsilva> I think the last one works
[23:45] <wxl> "think"
[23:45] <wxl> aaaaaaaaaaaand it doesn't
[23:45] <wxl> imgur
[23:46] <wxl> or pastebin
[23:46] <wxl> !pastebin | gsilva
[23:46] <gsilva> http://imgur.com/qzEOKYl
[23:48] <wxl> that looks like how it should
[23:48] <wxl> so maybe i don't understand the problem
[23:49] <gsilva> The problem is with LP
[23:49] <gsilva> (https://code.launchpad.net/lubuntu-manual)
[23:49] <gsilva> you have branch lp:lubuntu-manual
[23:49] <gsilva> and then push lp:gustavo...
[23:49] <gsilva> And I don't want that
[23:50] <gsilva> It wasn't like that before but now it is again for some reason :o
[23:50] <wxl> what?
[23:50] <wxl> hold on and let me log in
[23:50] <gsilva> If you go to (https://code.launchpad.net/lubuntu-manual) you have push lp:gustavo bla bla bla
[23:50] <gsilva> if you click the code, you have push lp:lubuntu-manual, as it should
[23:51] <gsilva> Here: http://prntscr.com/6zqilb
[23:51] <gsilva> Clicking the code repo below
[23:51] <wxl> well actually i see push lp:wxl…
[23:51] <wxl> so it might not be so strange
[23:51] <gsilva> http://prntscr.com/6zqiow
[23:51] <gsilva> OHH
[23:51] <gsilva> Maybe that's in case you want to fork the repo?
[23:51] <wxl> perhaps
[23:51] <gsilva> You branch the latest one and then push a fork?
[23:52] <wxl> the ACTUAL branch is here and it looks right https://code.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-wiki-docs/lubuntu-manual/trunk
[23:52] <gsilva> yes, that's correct
[23:52] <gsilva> okay, nevermind. I thought it was because of anything poorly configured
[23:53] <wxl> cuz honestly, the instructions on the lubuntu-manual page that says to grab lp:lubuntu-manual pulls from the trunk of lubuntu-manual owned by lubuntu-wiki-docs, i.e. https://code.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-wiki-docs/lubuntu-manual/trunk
[23:53] <gsilva> yeap
[23:54] <gsilva> Nevermind, it's a feature I never worked with before, thus my doubts
[23:54] <wxl> np, i understand
[23:54] <gsilva> But yea, now that I am thinking of it, if you push to wxl later you'll create another repo
[23:54] <gsilva> that's the way to fork a repo probably
[23:55] <wxl> well just like github
[23:55] <wxl> the way to contribute to a repo that works for everyone regardless of there access to a repo is:
[23:55] <gsilva> May be, yeah. Github is simpler to push stuff
[23:55] <wxl> 1. branch the code
[23:55] <wxl> 2. make changes
[23:56] <wxl> 3. push the code to your repo
[23:56] <wxl> 4. request a review
[23:56] <wxl> 5. upon successful review, code is merged from your repo to the main repo
[23:57] <wxl> in github, it's actually very simple:
[23:57] <wxl> 1. fork the code
[23:57] <wxl> 2. make changes
[23:57] <wxl> 3. push the code to your fork
[23:57] <wxl> 4. issue a pull request
[23:57] <wxl> 5. upon approved request, code is merged from your fork to the main repo
[23:57] <wxl> so it's actually not any easier ;)
[23:58] <gsilva> I meant easier to push things
[23:58] <gsilva> because you don't need to specify the location, as long as you are within the repo you want to work with
[23:58] <wxl> not true actually
[23:58] <gsilva> Like, you branch, do changes and git push automatically sends it to the origin where you branched it first
[23:58] <gsilva> unless, ofc, you want a specific location
[23:59] <wxl> on the other hand you NEED to host a separate codebase online with github
[23:59] <wxl> you do not need to do that with lp
[23:59] <gsilva> true


[17:59] <jcastro> popey: pleia2 or jose: I am listed as owner for ubuntu-etherpad
[17:59] <jcastro> I'd like to hand it over to someone mildly more responsible than I've been
[18:00] <jose> I'd vote for popey if he's willing
[18:00] <jose> I thought he was handling it
[18:00] <popey> o/
[18:00] <popey> sure thing
[18:01] <wxl> jose: since you're here, you appear to have some sort of reputation as a wizard when it comes to getting flights. care to share your secrets?
[18:01] <jose> matrix.itasoftware.com
[18:02] <wxl> huh
[18:02] <jose> I was actually gonna take a nap since I didn't get any sleep last night, maybe ping me in an hour with the exact details and I can take a look
[18:03] <pleia2> matrix <3 <3 when you finally do the search, use the time bars view
[18:06] <wxl> yeah i just did that
[18:06] <wxl> it didn't result in too much of a difference, but that's useful
[18:06] <wxl> tsimonq2: find your flight a la http://matrix.itasoftware.com/
[18:10] <acheronuk> that gives me very expensive results to get to akademy :/
[18:10] <wxl> i saw only a marginal difference going to lfnw
[18:10] <wxl> but still, it's easier than e.g. kayak
[18:13] <pleia2> yeah, you can't book through that site but you find all the listings and then go to the airline itself and see if it's bookable
[18:14] <tsimonq2> wxl: Gracias
[18:14] <wxl> tsimonq2: de nada.
[18:14] <tsimonq2> jose: Gracias to you too ;)
[18:16] <acheronuk> matrix gave me a lowest of £1,454 & kayak is £312
[18:16] <acheronuk> oh well. what is cheapest way on the day. :)
[18:17] <wxl> that seems oddly inconsistent
[18:19] <acheronuk> if or when I book it, I'll just go through the sites listed here: http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/travel/cheap-flights#compare
[18:20] <pleia2> yeah, kayak is a discount booking service, so it has additional deals and things, matrix pulls data from airlines
[18:21] <pleia2> I'm very picky about fare classes and sometimes I need to change flights, so I always book directly with the airlines
[18:24] <tsimonq2> Wow, this is weeeeeird
[18:24] <tsimonq2> It keeps wanting to give me 2 day layovers :P
[18:24] <wxl> ouuuch
[18:27] <tsimonq2> Ahhhh yess yay
[18:27] <tsimonq2> wxl: I'd have to fly Milwaukee to Seattle to get anything practical...
[18:27] <wxl> tsimonq2: is that the nearest airport?
[18:28] <tsimonq2> wxl: It's the nearest airport that won't give me insane layovers
[18:28] <wxl> will you be able to get transportation there?
[18:28] <tsimonq2> Well I don't know
[18:29] <tsimonq2> Will taxi cabs let me, given that I'm under 18?
[18:29] <wxl> so it goes mil -> sea -> bli?
[18:29] <wxl> well i'm sure if your mom sticks you in there, you'll be fine
[18:30] <wxl> there's also potential bus and stuff
[18:30] <pleia2> I've never heard of any laws about it (I rode in cabs as a minor)
[18:31] <tsimonq2> pleia2: Well I'm 15 but people keep telling me I look $age+1 sooo idk :)
[18:31] <pleia2> you'll be fine as long as you can pay ;)
[18:31] <pleia2> they may question a 7 year old walking up to a cab alone, but teenagers whatever
[18:33] <tsimonq2> Do airports check age?
[18:33] <wxl> absolutely
[18:34] <pleia2> for what exactly?
[18:34] <pleia2> the ticket agent needs ID when you check a bag, and so does TSA, so they'll see it
[18:35] <tsimonq2> ...so I need a legal form of identification?
[18:35] <pleia2> pretty sure all US airlines allow 15 and up to travel unacommpanied though
[18:35] <pleia2> yes, a state ID card is fine
[18:35] <tsimonq2> That's going to be a problem... :|
[18:35] <pleia2> (if you don't have a drivers license)
[18:35] <wxl> the airlines do have policies regarding minors
[18:35] <wxl> you can get an id card quick and easy
[18:35] <tsimonq2> Oh?
[18:35] <wxl> and you do have time for a passport
[18:36] <pleia2> most states do ID cards at the DMV, it's a good thing to have anyway
[18:36] <wxl> yup
[18:36] <wxl> http://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/dmv/license-drvs/how-to-apply/id-card.aspx
[18:38] <wxl> for proof of id, you can use social security card, w2, paystub (if it includes ss number), a parent or guardian that can show their id/license
[18:38] <tsimonq2> Ah ok
[18:38] <wxl> for proof of residency, you need paycheck within 90 days or bank statement
[18:38] <wxl> also certified school record or transcript
[18:39] <wxl> or parent or guardian
[18:40] <wxl> and for proof of citizen ship, birth certificate
[18:40] <wxl> fairly simple
[18:40] <tsimonq2> Ah ok
[18:40] <wxl> you should get on that
[18:41] <wxl> you could also get a passport https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/passports.html
[18:41] <wxl> you do have time
[18:41] <wxl> however it's not free
[18:43] <tsimonq2> Ok
[18:44] <wxl> to do it, you need both parents, a birth certificate
[18:45] <wxl> but expect it ot be in excess of $100
[18:45] <tsimonq2> wxl: Why not just go for a state ID then?
[18:46] <wxl> well, a passport is useful if you want to travel abroad (*ahem* akademy)
[18:46] <tsimonq2> Also, general question, I know some airlines have policies about the time of day minors can travel but I'm failing to find Delta's related policy. Can anyone help?
[18:46] <tsimonq2> wxl: Mom says no Europe :P
[18:46] <wxl> *currently*
[18:47] <wxl> try a search for "minors travelling alone" or "unaccomanied minors"
[18:47] <tsimonq2> I did
[18:47] <tsimonq2> They have a page
[18:47] <tsimonq2> They just don't have that particular policy
[18:47] <wxl> https://www.delta.com/content/www/en_US/traveling-with-us/special-travel-needs/children.html
[18:48] <wxl> tl;dr parent or designated adult must take you to the gate and wait until the flight has left, connecting flights are ok
[18:48] <tsimonq2> But nothing about time of day?
[18:48] <wxl> should be there 2 hours before
[18:49] <wxl> ooh and they give you a barcode XD
[18:49] <acheronuk> I will need a new passport if I go to akademy. +£75 cost I think :(
[18:49] <tsimonq2> Travel is not permitted on Red Eye flights (Red Eye flights are between 9pm-5am).  Exceptions below apply only if a qualifying connection flight is not available from the airport.
[18:49] <tsimonq2> International flights
[18:49] <tsimonq2> Domestic short haul flights ( 2 hours or less, non stop)
[18:49] <tsimonq2> Flights to/from Alaska and Hawaii
[18:49] <tsimonq2> Markets with only one connection and it is the last flight of the day
[18:49] <tsimonq2> wxl: GAH ^
[18:49] <tsimonq2> Wait a minute
[18:49] <tsimonq2> I might want to call them
[18:49] <wxl> yeah that might work
[18:50] <tsimonq2> This flight is less than 2 hours but starts at 8:30 XD
[18:50] <pleia2> yeah, it sounds like for 15-17 none of this is actually required
[18:50] <wxl> with delta for a 15+ year old the parent can decline the unaccompanied minor program
[18:50] <pleia2> ^ yes, that
[18:50] <wxl> i.e. you don't HAVE to be escorted and all that crap
[18:50] <tsimonq2> And Alaska Air as well
[18:50] <wxl> your mom may want it tho
[18:50] <tsimonq2> pleia2: Yeah I understand THAT
[18:50] <tsimonq2> wxl: No way :P
[18:50] <pleia2> you should call them so you don't worry, but I think you're fine ;)
[18:50] <wxl> see link above
[18:50] <wxl> it's all there
[18:58] <tsimonq2> wxl, pleia2, jose: How's this itinerary look to you? https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B0exhmhCedI-anhjUnJoMGdMb2M
[18:58] <tsimonq2> I can have someone drive me to Milwaukee then I can take a cab from Seattle
[18:59] <wxl> tsimonq2: bad. you need to go to bellingham, not seattle
[18:59] <wxl> that's a freaking 3 hour drive
[19:00] <tsimonq2> wxl: I'll plug it in, but usually that gives me insane layover times
[19:01] <tsimonq2> wxl: Yeah there's no way
[19:01] <tsimonq2> wxl: Way too long of layoversa
[19:01] <tsimonq2> *layovers
[19:04] <wxl> wow that sucks
[19:04] <wxl> oh well
[19:06] <wxl> maybe you should google a taxi company and make sure you got everything all set
[19:09] <tsimonq2> wxl: Uh no, it's an hour and a half?
[19:09] <wxl> oh oops
[19:09] <tsimonq2> wxl: That's what Google says :P
[19:09] <wxl> i was looking at the bus XD
[19:33] <ahoneybun> tsimonq2: I'm just going to deal with the layovers
[19:33] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: XD
[19:34] <ahoneybun> you just don't have waiting skills I have
[19:34] <tsimonq2> Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
[19:35] <ahoneybun> did you get an email from Claire?
[19:35] <tsimonq2> Not yet
[19:36] <ahoneybun> I've taken off Friday and Monday
[19:38] <ahoneybun> now 22 hours is too much lol
[19:38] <ahoneybun> tsimonq2: 22h 15m
[19:38] <tsimonq2> O__________O
[19:38] <ahoneybun> yeaaa
[22:59] <ahoneybun> mhall119: ping
[23:02] <ahoneybun> popey: heyo
[23:06] <popey> hello ahoneybun
[23:06] <ahoneybun> popey: I'm wondering if someone from the UCC could comment on this post: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/donwload-ubuntu-17-04-beta-2-flavors
[23:07] <ahoneybun> if any of the Kubuntu folks do, the post will not be approved since Joey seems to have an issue with us for some reason
[23:08] <ahoneybun> also having a netural person might help fix the issues we're having
[23:08] <popey> ahoneybun: see pm
[23:14] <popey> Ok, read the article. I dont see the problem
[23:15] <popey> "news site posts article and has an opinion" is not generally an objectionable thing
[23:15] <ahoneybun> mm
[23:16] <popey> It's not like he says "Kubuntu releases a beta and it's terrible!"
[23:16] <ahoneybun> Sadly I might have to use my blog to voice my different opinion on it
[23:16] <popey> knock yourself out
[23:16] <popey> you (and he) are entitled to voice your opinions.
[23:16] <pleia2> (we don't like echo chambers anyway)
[23:16] <ahoneybun> thanks for looking at it anyway popey <3
[23:17] <popey> no worries dude, anytime
[23:18] <tsimonq2> popey: No, but he's basically implying that Kubuntu is useless now.
[23:18] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: I look forward to reading your blog post :)
[23:18] <popey> he is entitled to argue that
[23:19] <ahoneybun> tsimonq2: I think the talk about the post it over tho
[23:19] <popey> opinions are like .. uhm.. belly buttons .. yes, that's safe... everyone has one.
[23:19] <tsimonq2> Hahaha
[23:19] <ahoneybun> tsimonq2: "might"
[23:20] <tsimonq2> popey: So we can say that he's wrong? :)
[23:20] <popey> you can voice your opinion, sure