[00:21] <shauno> wildly off-topic, anyone ever click the accessibility 'feature' on capatchas hoping it'll be more useful than the alphabet soup, and marvel at the results?
[00:25] <BigRedS> haha, no
[00:25]  * BigRedS looks for a captcha
[00:26] <shauno> the one on the signup for a google account hurts my head
[00:29] <directhex> http://kotaku.com/5816423/when-katamari-damacy-and-minecraft-collide
[00:33] <shauno> oh boy
[00:33] <shauno> that could be interesting in multiplayer
[00:34] <shauno> my best attempt at making sense of google's capatcha - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ssm4RVw8MOo
[00:49] <MattJ> :)
[01:13] <Azelphur> If you have hyperthreading turned on, and top says it's using 50%, does that mean your using 50% of the physical core, or 50% of the HT core?
[01:15] <directhex> Azelphur, top treats hyperthreads as physical cores
[01:15] <Azelphur> cool
[01:15] <directhex> i.e. quadcore with ht shows as 8 cores
[01:15] <directhex> but will likely never go over 50% load, due to HT
[01:15] <Azelphur> so if I've got 4 processes using ~60% I'm pretty much ok to add another 4 processes also using 60% :P
[01:20] <shauno> not sure about google's new look.  funny feeling it's going to 'mesh' well with some of the ubuntu themes tho  (eg, those that have dark toolbars)
[01:21] <Azelphur> shauno: that's why I don't use firefox, it tries to skin the web with my gnome theme, doesn't work very well
[01:21] <Azelphur> I use chrome instead, it doesn't do that \o/
[01:24] <shauno> oh, not as well as I thought
[01:24] <shauno> http://cl.ly/2s2U1f3o140W1R3H0L0G
[01:31] <shauno> what on earth is "apps available for download" in the bfb?
[01:43] <shauno> http://cl.ly/3E0s3t0f1b0U392h1P2d   I'm not entirely sure why it's offering me "kde collectd database-viewer".  that's a pretty odd list
[04:36] <dragonkeeper> things that happen during a recession :  women are having sex with there husbands because they cant afford batteries
[04:40] <Pendulum> dragonkeeper: I really don't think that's an appropriate comment for this channel.
[04:42] <dragonkeeper> it was quiet
[04:42] <Pendulum> dragonkeeper: it was a sexist, in appropriate comment
[04:43] <Pendulum> *inappropriate
[06:35] <AlanBell> it was indeed
[06:35] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:37] <AlanBell> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ubuntu-UK/237328659623076 need 21 more people to like this then it can have a vanity URL
[07:47] <ali1234> shauno: did you only just install unity or what?
[07:48] <shauno> I don't use guis on linux very often
[07:48] <ali1234> "apps available for download" is a search function. try typing in the name of a program you don't have installed
[07:48] <shauno> because they make me want to throw my shoes at my screen
[07:48] <ali1234> it's not supposed to show up unless you start searching
[07:48] <shauno> interesting.  I don't believe I was searching for anything
[07:49] <ali1234> yes. it's a bug
[07:50] <ali1234> JGJones: i got jabber-terminal working but it isn't very good
[07:50] <ali1234> doesn't really work with apps that move the cursor around
[07:51] <ali1234> it's really simple anyway though
[07:53] <AlanBell> I don't like that apps available for download stuff
[07:53] <ali1234> i do
[07:53] <AlanBell> makes it harder to find the stuff you actually have
[07:53] <ali1234> it's a lot better than having to use software centre
[07:53] <ali1234> unity already made it impossible to find stuff you already have :(
[07:53] <ali1234> if you want it to be easy switch back to gnome classic
[07:54] <ali1234> or put that stuff on the launcher
[07:54] <AlanBell> yeah, have done on my main laptop as unity broke because I dared to change something in ccsm and because it doesn't do multi-monitors
[07:54] <ali1234> "available apps" doesn't show up in the main dash anyway
[07:55] <ali1234> not unless you click "more apps" first
[07:55] <ali1234> it should do though
[07:55] <ali1234> it's just another way in which unity is inconsistent with even itself
[07:55] <ali1234> i don't know why i'm even still using it tbh
[07:56] <AlanBell> if you click the bfb, then use the categories dropdown that doesn't look like a dropdown
[07:57] <ali1234> what's a bfb?
[07:57] <ali1234> best friends button?
[07:57] <AlanBell> then you find all your old friendly categories
[07:57] <AlanBell> big button top left
[07:57] <ali1234> oh you mean the big button that's smaller than all the buttons on the launcher?
[07:57] <AlanBell> yes
[07:57] <AlanBell> thats the one
[07:57] <AlanBell> it is called the BFB
[07:58] <ali1234> you mean shortcuts?
[07:58] <ali1234> i don't see categories
[07:58] <AlanBell> top right of the dark brown window is a dropdown, gives you an unthemed grey list of categories
[07:58] <JGJones> ali1234, it's a first release so expected crappiness ;-) - how does it work with line by line output (ie as I would expect from something like cu)?
[07:59] <ali1234> it doesn't
[07:59] <ali1234> JGJones: it doesn't work with any app that keeps on outputing actually
[07:59] <ali1234> it seems to wait for the program to exit first
[07:59] <ali1234> AlanBell: dark brown window??
[07:59] <JGJones> ah pity - guess it still need more work - no idea if it's in active development
[08:00] <ali1234> AlanBell: you mean: click "more apps" then click the "v" on the right end of the search box?
[08:01] <AlanBell> maybe, I don't have it in front of me right now
[08:03] <JGJones> ali1234, it say "All Applications" and a down-arrow in a circle to the right of it - click on this to get categories
[08:04] <JGJones> sorry...memory failed me - no circle, just a V
[08:05] <AlanBell> sounds about right
[08:05] <AlanBell> then it shows you a small selection of stuff you might have, then an equal amount of stuff you don't have
[08:06] <ali1234> well yeah
[08:06] <ali1234> i mean, why are you guys just noticing this now?
[08:06] <ali1234> i've been saying this for two months
[08:06] <ali1234> the available apps thing *is* good when you searcht hough
[08:06] <ali1234> because you don't have to know if the app is installed or not
[08:07] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: except it also lists uninstalled apps if you don't have admin-rights
[08:07] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: complaining about that gets you a "BUT IT'S A FEATURE!!!!" reply
[08:07] <ali1234> it just shouldn't show up until you search, and this is a known bug, one of the few problems that are actually acknowledged
[08:08] <ali1234> MartijnVdS: well ok i'll add that one to my list of things to complain about
[08:08] <AlanBell> ali1234: I did know about that a while back
[08:08] <ali1234> no point showing it if the user isn't in sudoers
[08:08] <ali1234> AlanBell: so you're just complaining now that the shiny has worn off?
[08:09] <ali1234> i guess now we know exactly how long that takes :)
[08:09] <AlanBell> no, I complained at the time
[08:09] <AlanBell> then it broke
[08:10] <AlanBell> the default lens should just be apps installed grouped by category
[08:10] <ali1234> no, the default lens should be what it is now except you should be able to replace the 8 default icons with anything you want
[08:11] <AlanBell> the thing with 6 *huge* buttons does nothing that I want to do
[08:11] <AlanBell> 8 then
[08:11] <ali1234> 8 huge icons
[08:11] <ali1234> and yeah it literally has nothing i want on it
[08:11] <ali1234> and i did say this tw months ago too
[08:11] <ali1234> but again nobody listened
[08:12] <ali1234> actually it's probably longer than two months now
[08:12] <AlanBell> yeah, echo chamber stuff
[08:12] <AlanBell> I listened
[08:13] <ali1234> none of the bugs have been fixed either
[08:15] <ali1234> and i don't mean design bugs
[08:16] <ali1234> i mean stuff like firefox rejecting user input, the window not having a title bar, menus that disappear when you move the mouse over them
[08:17] <MartijnVdS> Try running calibre on oneiric
[08:17] <ali1234> what's calibre?
[08:17] <MartijnVdS> "itunes for ebooks"
[08:17] <ali1234> oh yeah that
[08:17] <ali1234> why, what happens?
[08:18] <MartijnVdS> Sometimes you get the app/window
[08:18] <MartijnVdS> but un-maximize it, and it'll disappear
[08:18] <MartijnVdS> nothing will react to clicks
[08:18] <MartijnVdS> gtk-window-decorator crashes
[08:18] <ali1234> ah yeah, get some of that on natty with certain apps
[08:18] <MartijnVdS> and STDERR of the app will complain about 16777216x16777216 window size being max
[08:19] <MartijnVdS> I wish I had a 16777216x16777216 screen ;)_
[08:19] <ali1234> it seems like annoying existing customers in order to attract a different user base is all the rage at the moment
[08:19] <ali1234> everyone is doing it
[08:20] <ali1234> replace the existing UI that mostly works with something new written from scratch that is incredibly annoying, buggy, and needs much higher hardware requirements to run
[08:21] <ali1234> and also don't bother to fix any of the older bugs in the stuff that you do keep
[08:21] <ali1234> and at the same time introduce an app store or some other kind of shop the extract more money from users
[08:32] <daubers> Morning
[08:39] <diplo> Morning all
[08:41] <MartijnVdS> howdy
[08:41] <Myrtti> hola
[08:53] <daubers> Must be coffee time
[08:53] <Gary> COFFEE!!!
[08:53] <daubers> I know, shocking behaviour isn't it
[08:54] <Gary> I've managed to get our newbie to go get coffee, woo
[08:59] <gord> thunderbird with the conversation plugin really is nice
[09:02] <popey> Morning all
[09:02] <gord> morning
[09:03] <Gary> morning popeypet and gord
[09:03]  * popey tickles Gary
[09:07] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:07] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:07] <MooDoo> morning
[09:07] <bigcalm> Hullo!
[09:11] <Myrtti> when all this is over, Ill go on a road/train/biketrip with constantly changing scenery
[09:12] <diplo> Guys and Girls, 11.04 running here, want to run 4-5 VM's on desktop.. thoughts on Virtualbox or using KVM ?
[09:13] <popey> i would use virtualbox personally
[09:13] <popey> others swear by kvm
[09:14] <bigcalm> VirtualBox works for me
[09:14] <bigcalm> Though I have no experience of KVM
[09:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> KVM works well on servers but lacks some of the UX features of VirtualBox. Conversely VBox lacks some of the server features of KVM ;-)
[09:22] <diplo> Cool, thanks guys, virtual box it is
[09:22] <diplo> Anyone know how it takes having a different amount of ram added later ?
[09:22] <diplo> Boss is upgrading memory in my PC so i can run more VM's
[09:23] <bigcalm> You can configure each VM to have a different amount of memory
[09:23] <bigcalm> And this can be altered later
[09:23] <bigcalm> Same goes for any of the virtual hardware
[09:23] <diplo> nah I mean the host, doesn't mind having different memory allocated later
[09:24] <bigcalm> No, it won't care
[09:26] <hoover> morning all
[09:26] <diplo> cheers
[09:35] <MooDoo> :)
[09:42] <MooDoo> if you didn't know [or couldn't get to the meeting last night] we have an approval pad you can add stuff too - http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/reapproval
[09:50] <MooDoo> ooo oanother quiet day
[10:07] <danfish> MooDoo: boo!
[10:08] <MooDoo> danfish, aaaaaaaaaaaaarrrghhhh
[10:08] <MooDoo> :)
[10:09] <danfish> "aaaaaarrggghhhh" - is it national talk like a pirate day again?
[10:09] <bigcalm> No, 19th September that be
[10:10]  * AlanBell is on a train
[10:10] <danfish> bigcalm: aye aye
[10:10] <nigelb> AlanBell: where are ya headed to?
[10:11] <AlanBell> cabinet office first, then Home office in the afternoon
[10:12] <danfish> AlanBell: good luck - you might need it :/
[10:12] <MooDoo> danfish, no you said boo and i was scared
[10:13] <MooDoo> AlanBell, don't shout at them too much
[10:13] <danfish> MooDoo: sorry - and after the donner und blitzen yesterday
[10:14] <MooDoo> lol
[10:18] <AlanBell> convincing Sir Humphrey of the value of Software Freedom
[10:19] <bigcalm> :D
[10:19] <AlanBell> I will also be telling them of the danger of Open Source increasing the risk of zombie invasions
[10:27] <AlanBell> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ubuntu-UK/237328659623076 4 people like this
[10:27] <AlanBell> maybe facebook isn't the answer!
[10:28] <MooDoo> maybe people didn't know about the page.
[10:28] <BigRedS> Is that all of us who were in the meeting yesterday having now liked it?
[10:28] <BigRedS> and everyone who didn't see its inception still hasn't?
[10:29] <AlanBell> probably
[10:29] <AlanBell> I don't know how you are supporsed to see these things
[10:29] <diplo> 7 people now
[10:29] <MooDoo> I've just shared it and asked people to like it so we hit the 25 we need for a vanity url
[10:29] <diplo> :)
[10:30] <BigRedS> I think it relies on people seeing their friends liking things
[10:30] <MooDoo> diplo, 9 :)
[10:31] <shauno> grumble.  making me log into facebook twice in one month.
[10:32] <AlanBell> shauno: yeah, I know what you mean
[10:32] <BigRedS> ach, you'll be won over yet :)
[10:32] <MooDoo> #stopwhining ;)
[10:32] <MooDoo> pmsl even my boss has liked the page ;)
[10:32] <BigRedS> #wrongsocialnetworkingsite :)
[10:33] <AlanBell> it doesn't seem to be the right tool for middle aged blokes with no social life
[10:33] <shauno> that's just doubled your likes.  perhaps irc is the more effective networking ;)
[10:33] <AlanBell> IRC works fine
[10:33] <MooDoo> IRC works and so does facebook
[10:33] <BigRedS> Ah, I have many friends who wont even email :(
[10:34] <AlanBell> my teenage cousins use it loads
[10:34] <shauno> BigRedS: that's the main reason I use facebook at all.  I've far too much family who have forgotten how to email
[10:34] <AlanBell> they say things like "aww, I feel crap" and they get 20 comments on it
[10:34] <diplo> I started on facebook as 75% of people I used to chat on MSN only use FB now
[10:34] <shauno> last time I tried to ignore it, my mother got a new surname without me noticing
[10:34] <diplo> And only put images on there now
[10:35] <MooDoo> well i'm getting all my friends likeing the page, we'll get that decent URL yet :)
[10:35] <AlanBell> diplo: but not with KDE
[10:36] <diplo> lol AlanBell :)
[10:36] <BigRedS> nobody uses kde anyway
[10:37] <AlanBell> I don't get stuff like this http://www.facebook.com/Intel
[10:37] <AlanBell> why would 1.8 million people like intel on Facebook
[10:37] <BigRedS> they've got a clip with the madagascar penguins in it!
[10:37] <AlanBell> if you are not an employee or parter
[10:37]  * BigRedS likes intel
[10:38] <shauno> 14yo girls must be a growth market for them
[10:38] <AlanBell> come to think of it, I am a partner and I don't like them on Facebook
[10:41] <diplo> AlanBell, a lot of these companies do a like us and you get entered to a competition
[10:41] <X3N> I wonder how facebook would look if dislike was ever implemented
[10:41] <X3N> like you could go round disliking evil companies etc
[10:42] <X3N> -like
[10:44] <AlanBell> diplo: ok, intresting
[10:45] <shauno> can you make content only available to people who like you?
[10:47] <BigRedS> yeah
[10:48] <BigRedS> there was a whole spate of 'like this to see the rest' a while ago
[10:49] <shauno> well, I'm sure intel feels better now that it has more friends than me
[10:51] <BigRedS> haha
[10:51] <AlanBell> buy computer, unbox, yay it works, must go make friends on facebook wtih the manufacturer of the CPU
[10:51] <BigRedS> well, we are asking them to do that with their OS :)
[10:51] <AlanBell> call me odd, but I don't get how that is a mainstream thing to do
[10:52] <AlanBell> BigRedS: kind of, but more a community
[10:52] <AlanBell> an intel user group of PCB hdesigners I could totally understand
[10:54]  * MattJ wonders at the nonsensical prices of 2.5" HDDs on the Maplin website
[10:54] <shauno> I'm happy to just admit I'm too old for this and carry on with my life :)
[10:55] <BigRedS> I think sometimes maplins price for amusement rather than competetiveness
[10:56] <MattJ> 120GB - £49.99, 160GB - £54.99, 320GB - £39.99, 640GB - £54.99
[10:56] <MattJ> I think you may be right
[10:57] <Ng> MattJ: I don't think I would ever buy a disk from maplin ;)
[10:58] <MattJ> The one I have now has been working fine for 3 years :)
[11:01] <BigRedS> I just don't view maplin as a computer bits shop
[11:02] <BigRedS> so I'd be concerned about warranties
[11:02] <BigRedS> well, custoemr service, especiall wrt warranties
[11:02] <dwatkins> Maplin are extremely expensive - I consider it paying for the convnience of being able to walk there to get components.
[11:03] <MattJ> Ok, you know somewhere cheaper for good laptop HDDs?
[11:03] <dwatkins> MattJ: Tesco were selling 250 GB external disks for about 20 GBP recently.
[11:03] <MattJ> Heh
[11:04] <hamitron> Maplin do replace dead parts :)
[11:04] <dwatkins> I'd just look up a particular size on froogle and compare various shops, assuming they were compatible, or choose a model number which is compatible and find the cheapest.
[11:04] <hamitron> but I wouldn't use them still :D
[11:04] <dwatkins> hamitron: yeah, but the manufacturer warranty should allow for that also
[11:05] <hamitron> yeh, I just took it into the shop and they shipped another to me
[11:05] <BigRedS> yeah, the issue is going to the shop you got it from and persuading them to talk to the manufacturer
[11:05] <hamitron> in some ways it was easier, because I didn't have to repackage it
[11:06] <exobuzz> finally got my z68 + sandy bridge gfx working on ubuntu. horrible crashing thing it was.
[11:06] <exobuzz> worked fine with h67 + sandy bridge.. something with the z68 and gpu power saving
[11:06] <hamitron> exobuzz: nice
[11:06] <hamitron> :)
[11:06] <exobuzz> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38492
[11:06] <dwatkins> ace, exobuzz
[11:06] <lubotu3`> bugzilla.kernel.org bug 38492 in Video(DRI - Intel) "sandy bridge gpu crash on z68 chipset (related to power saving)" [High,New]
[11:06] <exobuzz> nasty comment out code hack ;-)
[11:07] <exobuzz> hopefully a proper fix can be found. i wonder though. is it a) kernel bug b) mb bug or c) another intel chipset bug
[11:07] <dwatkins> reminds me of the issues I had with USB-attached disks
[11:08] <dwatkins> still no actual fix, I just had to stop it idling
[11:08] <exobuzz> got timeouts/disconnects ?
[11:08] <dwatkins> exobuzz: yeah, details at http://rowla.dyndns.org/blog/2011/04/28/usb-attached-disk-hangs/
[11:10] <dwatkins> oops, forgot to include the link to the comment
[11:10] <exobuzz> dwatkins, could also try http://malus.exotica.org.uk/kernel/0001-reverted-b963801164618e25fbdc0cd452ce49c3628b46c8.patch which solved it for me on my server with usb and disconnects.
[11:10] <exobuzz> there is a new patch on usb mailinglist instead of this manual revert also, but im still currently using this as ive not tested the new thing
[11:10] <dwatkins> thanks exobuzz :) I corrected the link to the comment also
[11:11] <dwatkins> I'm guessing I'd need to recompile the driver for that fix.
[11:12] <exobuzz> dwatkins, yeh. heres it on bugzilla. it fixed similar problems for other people also https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32432
[11:12] <lubotu3`> bugzilla.kernel.org bug 32432 in USB "USB Disconnects / resets after commit b963801164618e25fbdc0cd452ce49c3628b46c8" [Normal,New]
[11:12] <dwatkins> cheers exobuzz
[11:14] <X3N> Is there no way to download a directory from the ubuntu one website?
[11:14] <dwatkins> "doesn't stay idle for long" suggests it doesn't let the drive sleep much
[11:14] <exobuzz> dwatkins, the launchpad bug you reference, i posted there and a couple of people told me it fixed it then
[11:14] <dwatkins> nice, exobuzz
[11:18] <exobuzz> dwatkins, one more thing sorry. this is a patch from one of the usb kernel guys in replacement of my revert that fixes it also for at least one person. ive not tested myself http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.usb.general/48304
[11:19] <dwatkins> exobuzz: no worries, I'll take a look - thanks again
[12:55] <popey> WAKE UP EVERYONE!
[12:55]  * JamesTait yawns
[12:55] <JamesTait> No. Don't want to.
[12:55]  * JamesTait goes back to sleep.
[12:57] <MooDoo> popey, YESSIR!!!!
[12:57] <bigcalm> popey: it's all rather futile
[12:57]  * MartijnVdS snores a bit louder
[12:57] <bigcalm> But then, that's life in general
[12:58] <JamesTait> bigcalm: Here's me, brain the size of a planet....
[12:59]  * bigcalm goes to stick his head in a pig
[12:59] <Laney> oink
[12:59]  * popey gets a diamond sword
[13:07] <MartijnVdS> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-13949070
[13:07] <directhex> i wonder if kataminey damacraft works in multiplayer...
[13:08] <popey> heh
[13:09] <popey> thats quite bonkers, i had never heard of that game before this week
[13:09] <daubers> which game?
[13:10] <MartijnVdS> kd
[13:10] <popey> kataminey damacraft
[13:10] <daubers> Oh dear
[13:11] <directhex> katamari damacy is an institution!
[13:11] <Dave2> Na, na na na na na, na na na na na na...
[13:12] <directhex> and thanks to Dave2 for a useful non-goat interjection!
[13:16] <daubers> directhex: It certainly is cool
[13:17] <daubers> Blasted SORBS database
[13:17] <directhex> Na, na na na na na, na na na na na na...
[13:21]  * bigcalm resists queuing up some Katamari Damacy
[13:21]  * daubers wonders what would happen if he made his backup mx server the primary mx server
[13:22] <daubers> will it relay correctly, or will it fail
[13:23] <directhex> ARGH
[13:23] <BigRedS> depends what you've told it to do :)
[13:23] <directhex> i have the katamari damacy soundtrack in my head
[13:23] <bigcalm> directhex: bwuhahaha
[13:23] <daubers> BigRedS: It was some time ago I set it up, it should just relay
[13:24] <directhex> bigcalm, they won't leave! my brain is populated by John the Dog, Bigmouth the Duck, Yuuhi the Crow, Pe the Goat, Booby the Pig, Sexy the Cat & Nyuu the Cow
[13:24] <bigcalm> Heh
[13:25] <bigcalm> The sound track is fun fun fun
[13:25] <directhex> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ucXQ6SamLE
[13:26] <bigcalm> Damn you
[13:26] <bigcalm> It does not mix well with http://soundcloud.com/ninja-tune
[13:26] <directhex> is that the complete list of participants? i thought there was an elephant
[13:28] <MartijnVdS> directhex: nellie the elephant?
[13:29] <bigcalm> Packed her trunk and said good bye to the circus
[13:29] <popey> of she went with a trumpety trump
[13:29] <bigcalm> Tump trump trump
[13:33] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS, one of my sons favourite songs that is......:)
[13:33] <MooDoo> toy dolls version
[13:33] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: reminds me of lots of drunk nights
[13:34] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS, the other song is the blitzkrieg bop by the ramones, he loves singing hay ho lets go hay ho lets go
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: hah, a real music lover then :)
[13:36] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS, lol it's the only two proper songs he really likes, although he sometimes in keen on iron maiden lol
[13:37] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: do you have him wear dirty leather jackets as well? :P
[13:39] <MooDoo> Martinp23, only when we go to rock concerts......2.5 years isn't to young for that is it?
[13:39] <MooDoo> lol
[13:39] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: haha :)
[13:57] <danfish> afternoon all
[13:57] <danfish> I've had a google,but doesanyoneknow of a way to rsync to mutiple destinations in parallel?
[13:57] <andrewebdev> how do I know what version of ubuntu (32 bit or 64 bit) I'm using?
[13:58] <directhex> andrewebdev, "uname -m"
[13:58] <andrewebdev> thx :0
[13:58] <andrewebdev> :) *
[13:59] <andrewebdev> erm no idea what i686 means
[13:59] <danfish> andrewebdev: 32bit
[13:59] <andrewebdev> ok thx
[14:01] <hamitron> ubuntu is i686 now?
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> 32-bit Ubuntu, yes
[14:01] <hamitron> damn
[14:01] <hamitron> :(
[14:01] <hamitron> most my machines are i586
[14:01] <ali1234> i686 doesn't even mean anything anyway
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: you're still using first-generation Pentiums?
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: or Pentium MMXes?
[14:02] <danfish> hamitron: post 10.04 it was dropped iirc
[14:02] <hamitron> or K6-2
[14:02] <hamitron> or VIA C3
[14:02] <hamitron> or SiS 550
[14:02] <hamitron> or AMD Geode
[14:02] <MartijnVdS> modern VIA C3s are i686 minus SSE2-3
[14:02] <MartijnVdS> afaik
[14:03] <hamitron> my VIA C3 won't run i686 only code
[14:03] <ali1234> so in other words not i686
[14:03] <MartijnVdS> Time for 21st century hardware
[14:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> My VIA C7 does run 10.04 server
[14:03] <hamitron> oh well, my mind is made up now
[14:03] <hamitron> haha
[14:03] <hamitron> no ubuntu :/
[14:03] <ali1234> time to drop ubuntu
[14:03] <hamitron> yeh
[14:04] <MartijnVdS> funroll-loops.org?
[14:04] <MartijnVdS> or whatever it was called
[14:04] <hamitron> it has moved on to be something I don't need for my stuff
[14:04] <MartijnVdS> http://funroll-loops.info/
[14:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> LinuxFromScratch FTW!
[14:04] <hamitron> TheOpenSourcerer: that is my last option
[14:04] <ali1234> holy false dichotomy batman
[14:04] <hamitron> well, not last
[14:04] <hamitron> :)
[14:04] <ali1234> if you don't want to use ubuntu clearly the only choice is LFS
[14:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/29/ubuntu-demonstrated-running-on-galaxy-tab-10-1-summarily-dubbed/
[14:05] <ali1234> because nobody else could possibly make an easy to use distro
[14:05] <ali1234> and certainly not without compiling it for i686
[14:05] <ali1234> and requiring everyone to have 3d hardware
[14:05] <hamitron> slackware is easy to use, think it is i486
[14:05] <ali1234> such a thing would be unthinkable
[14:05] <ali1234> even considering it would drive any programmer mad
[14:06] <hamitron> 10.04 runs on i586 ok then?
[14:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> My VIA C7 does run 10.04 server
[14:06] <hamitron> C7 is i686
[14:06] <ali1234> i bet newer versions do too
[14:06] <ali1234> gcc sucks so much it hardly ever uses i686 instructions even if you tell it to
[14:06] <hamitron> hehe
[14:06] <hamitron> I know CentOS 5.x won't run
[14:06] <hamitron> :/
[14:07] <hamitron> or Arch
[14:07] <ali1234> for example meego is "compiled" for only core2+
[14:07] <ali1234> but the only places where those instructions turn up is where they are hand coded in assembly
[14:07] <ali1234> in the whole distro
[14:07] <hamitron> hehe
[14:07] <ali1234> and i know because i wrote a tool to disassemble every single binary in the whole thing and scan for them
[14:07] <hamitron> ali1234: CentOS just fails to boot
[14:08] <hamitron> dunno if it was an instruction, or just a cpu check at startup
[14:08] <ali1234> one of the only packages that uses c2 instructions on meego is glibc which has hard cded assembly
[14:08] <ali1234> and of course without glibc you can't run anything at all
[14:08] <ali1234> none of the high level stuff uses it
[14:08] <ali1234> it's almost like they want to force people to buy intel hardware if they want to use meego
[14:09] <hamitron> "coded by a coder from intel"
[14:09] <hamitron> ;)
[14:09] <ali1234> well yeah
[14:09] <ali1234> nearly all of meego is coded by coders from intel
[14:09] <ali1234> the rest is coded by coders who used to work for nokia :)
[14:09] <hamitron> I think I'd better get busy
[14:10] <hamitron> got a distro to design
[14:10] <hamitron> ;/
[14:11] <hamitron> but I'm open to any suggestions, for other options
[14:11] <hamitron> because I am lazy
[14:11] <hamitron> ;/
[14:11] <ali1234> debian
[14:11] <ali1234> fedora, opensuse
[14:11] <ali1234> that's about it
[14:11] <hamitron> slackware
[14:11] <hamitron> ;/
[14:11] <ali1234> fedora and opensuse are probably i686
[14:11] <ali1234> not checked
[14:12] <hamitron> but even with all these, I need a custom X.org
[14:12] <ali1234> i don't really care about that :)
[14:12] <MartijnVdS> The world is moving on
[14:12] <hamitron> MartijnVdS: and I shall let it
[14:12] <hamitron> so let me be boring, and use old junk
[14:12] <hamitron> ;)
[14:12] <ali1234> i noticed earlier that ubuntu no longer holds the number 1 spot on distrowatch
[14:12] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: I won't stop you :)
[14:12] <ali1234> for the 3 month and shorter charts
[14:13] <ali1234> it's been overtaken by mint
[14:13] <hamitron> MartijnVdS: until I feel this old hardware here is useless, it will live to see another day :D
[14:13] <ali1234> will be interesting to see what happens on the longer term charts
[14:13] <hamitron> mint? :/
[14:13] <hamitron> bah
[14:13] <ali1234> yeah tbh i would not touch it
 the rest is coded by coders who used to work for nokia :) <-- plus subcontractors.
[14:14] <hamitron> is it not just ubuntu really, with fancy graphics?
[14:14] <ali1234> but they seem to have gotten all the people who dumped ubuntu when natty came out
[14:14] <hamitron> ;)
[14:14] <ali1234> directhex: yeah i include subcontractors as "working for nokia" since nokia does SO MUCH subcontracting that whole companies exist basically working for nokia and nothing else
[14:15] <directhex> ali1234, i believe elop vowed to stamp out their number of subcontractors
[14:15] <ali1234> yeah hence "used to"
[14:21] <JGJones> Mint - isn't that based on Ubuntu or is that the distro that plan to migrate to Debian?
[14:22] <directhex> they keep flitting between debian and ubuntu
[14:23] <JGJones> ah. Never used it - never seen the need to really, so far ubuntu works for me.
[14:26] <MooDoo> mint is nice, just installs everything that you'd normally do with ubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:16] <hamitron> is there any reason there can't be 2 superusers, 1 with more power than the other?
[15:18] <hamitron> say give "admin" UID=1, without write access to everything
[15:19] <hamitron> then have root with UID=101
[15:19] <hamitron> with traditional root powers
[15:22] <hamitron> admin would have UID=0 sorry
[15:24] <directhex> hamitron, so many things hardcode checks for uid=0
[15:24] <directhex> hamitron, i mean, sure, selinux could probably do it. but bleh
[15:24] <hamitron> my reasoning is so could have a seperate OS filesystem in place, with power over ubuntu packages installed
[15:25] <hamitron> I suppose another option is a chroot jail for ubuntu
[15:25] <hamitron> in say /usr/ubuntu
[15:27] <hamitron> idea been so could have an OS for all my machines, but the option to use ubuntu "stuff" on the machines that can handle it
[15:31] <hamitron> could make the base slackware, then call it slackuntu
[15:31] <hamitron> no harm in my trying, be good fun ;)
[16:02] <brobostigon> afternoonings everyone.
[16:05] <MooDoo> brobostigon, hullo :)
[16:05] <brobostigon> MooDoo: hello,:)
[16:06] <em> afternoon brobostigon
[16:06]  * brobostigon has just got a first, the first person to respond this afternoon.
[16:06] <brobostigon> em: afternoonings.
[16:06] <brobostigon> ie, MooDoo .
[16:07] <brobostigon> the first was MooDoo,
[16:08]  * brobostigon gets MooDoo a beer.
[16:12]  * TheOpenSourcerer coughs in brobostigon 's direction
[16:12] <MooDoo> brobostigon,  :)
[16:13]  * brobostigon gets one for TheOpenSourcerer also.
[16:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-D
[16:13] <brobostigon> :)
[16:13] <brobostigon> hook norton, haymaker, ok?
[16:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Old Hooky if you have it.
[16:24]  * brobostigon looks,
[16:24] <brobostigon> TheOpenSourcerer: only one bottle :(
[16:25] <directhex> apparently TheOpenSourcerer likes local banburyish ale
[16:25] <brobostigon> hook norton-ish real ale*
[16:25] <Laney> fake ale mmm
[16:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> "bottle"? You mean you don't have a barrel of 'bright' lying around then?
[16:26] <brobostigon> TheOpenSourcerer: not of, old, no, sorry.
[16:27] <directhex> brobostigon, if they can call oxford airport "london oxford airport", i'm pretty sure hook norton can count as banbury
[16:28] <brobostigon> directhex: quite, oxford is nowhere near london, peoplewould get a rather huge shock.
[16:28] <tombrough> why is it when I ask a commercial enterprise a straight question like "How much would it cost to rent your venue for a day?" they come back with an enthusiastic and interested tone email that tells you everything BUT how much it would cost to rent the venue for a day.
[16:28] <directhex> tombrough, they want to play the haggling game
[16:29] <directhex> brobostigon, stanstead is pretty far from london too...
[16:29] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: so are Luton and Gatwick... ;)
[16:29] <brobostigon> directhex: true, also, yes.
[16:29] <directhex> ... as is gatwick. ffs!
[16:29] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: also, yes.
[16:29] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: they have this "problem" here as well. Maastricht Airport is now "Maastricht/Aachen" (which is an hour away)
[16:29] <tombrough> hey its a linux event run by local volunteers who are not a registered charity .... how much money do you think we have to spend?
[16:30] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: Rotterdam became Rotterdam/Den Haag
[16:30] <directhex> however, simcity taught me to always locate your airport far from your city, due to pollution and decreased land values!
[16:30] <MartijnVdS> etc.
[16:30] <MartijnVdS> directhex: tell that to San Diego
[16:30] <directhex> MartijnVdS, polluted & with low land values!
[16:30] <MartijnVdS> directhex: hm, true true
[16:30] <Laney> london schiphol airport
[16:31] <directhex> i'm waiting for london manchester airport.
[16:31] <MartijnVdS> Laney: well.. from 2013 you can take a 4-hour train ride from Schiphol to St Pancras
[16:31] <MartijnVdS> Laney: so it's not THAT far-fetched
[16:31] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ouch, yes, reminds me of lubeck airport, no more than a tent, and ryanair, call it hamburg/lubeck, even though, it is several hours drive away.
[16:31] <directhex> or london birmingham? it's not much slower taking the train from gatwick to london as birmingham to london
[16:31] <DJones> directhex: It should be London Ringway Airport (going back to its old name)
[16:31] <Ng> lubeck isn't *that* bad, or at least it isn't these days :)
[16:32] <brobostigon> Ng: it was,lasttime i was there.
[16:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> Sounds like Good Old Microsoft's Cloud based Office 365 is neither cloudy or simple: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/google/complexity-of-office-365-is-a-good-thing-for-google-apps/3055
[16:34] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: also, Girona/Barcelona
[16:34] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i dont know that one,
[16:35] <MartijnVdS> Brussels/Zaventem
[16:35] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: you are more welltraveled in airports it seems, compared.
[16:36] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: I've been to some conferences ... :)
[16:36] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i can imagine, :)
[16:37] <directhex> i don't remember last time i used msoffice
[16:37] <directhex> i definitely never *paid* for it
[16:37] <directhex> wifey bought it for a special discount rate in 2008ish, i think
[16:39] <MartijnVdS> I can get it at a discounted price
[16:39] <MartijnVdS> and then I can use it as long as I work for my current employer
[16:39] <MartijnVdS> strange licenses
[16:45] <directhex> MartijnVdS, the new version of their "ultimate steal" license is much worse than the old one
[16:45] <directhex> i.e. previously you needed to be eligible at purchase time, and got office ultimate. now you get office academic, which expires when you are no longer .ac.uk
[16:46] <directhex> wow, they also increased the price of windows 7 to £71 academic. i paid half that.
[16:46] <MooDoo> i've got ms technet so i get it for a yearly fee
[16:47] <MooDoo> well not that i'm renewing this year :)
[16:47] <popey> MooDoo: you personally pay for technet?
[16:48] <directhex> what's technet?
[16:48] <MooDoo> popey, i did, but not renewing this year as i have use for it now
[16:48] <MooDoo> directhex, a subscription to their products.....
[16:48] <MooDoo> directhex, 120 a year for windows 7, office, server etc etc etc and you get 2 licnsed per product
[16:48] <popey> golly
[16:48] <popey> didnt think anyone paid for it
[16:49] <popey> thought everyone got their employer to
[16:49] <MooDoo> popey, i was feeling poorly at the time, had a brain fart :)
[16:49] <bigcalm> Indeed. Horay for the MS Partner Pack
[16:49] <MooDoo> now i don't have any use for it, especially don't want to renew with baby due in 2 months
[16:53] <bigcalm> Miss-read as: MooDoo> now i don't have any use for it, especially don't want to renew with baby
[16:54] <MooDoo> lol
[16:54] <MooDoo> *chuckle*
[17:22] <brobostigon> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/29/number_plate/   lol
[17:27] <MattJ> Funny, I was wondering exactly that the other day :)
[17:27] <MattJ> 1) whether such things were allowed [apparently not] 2) who gets to decide 3) how to automate the decision
[17:30] <BigRedS> that's alarmingly close to the DVLA not viewing itself as infallible
[17:30] <BigRedS> good work
[17:54] <AlanBell> afternoon all
[17:56]  * AlanBell has been having a good afternoon in the Home Office
[17:57] <AlanBell> warning them of the danger of open source in the event of a zombie invasion
[17:57] <brobostigon> afternoonings AlanBell
[17:57] <brobostigon> lol
[18:02] <BigRedS> haha
[18:36] <AlanBell> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ubuntu-UK/237328659623076 need 8 more people to like that for a vanity URL
[18:37] <AlanBell> so if you are a facebook fetishist then please help us out :)
[18:38] <brobostigon> AlanBell: i had a thought, for our achievement list, mumble, and vnc'd live system, from global jam.
[18:39] <AlanBell> ah, mentioned that for the quiz night, but not the global jam, good point
[18:39] <brobostigon> :)
[18:39] <brobostigon> global jam, was the test, to see if it worked.
[18:40] <AlanBell> how did people cope with trains before mobile broadband?
[18:40] <brobostigon> douglas adams,
[18:50] <bigcalm> I used to read books
[19:25] <DOOD> hi can i have some help please
[19:26] <DOOD> hello
[19:26] <directhex> don't ask to ask. just ask.
[19:26] <brobostigon> what is the issue? ottherwise how do we know if we canhelp, or not.
[19:28] <directhex> ARGH
[19:28] <directhex> not just mibbit, it seems
[19:28] <brobostigon> hmm,
[19:40] <brobostigon> new ubuntu one, android file app-
[19:59] <Rafz^> Evening all
[20:00] <brobostigon> evening Rafz^
[20:07] <Rafz^> Quite amusing evening for me, someone from work has got the lovesan worm and trying to get rid ^_^
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> lovesan? that's very old, right?
[20:08] <Rafz^> yeah it's really old, some people don't run windows update for years and years though
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> ah, yes, it's the same as "Blaster"
[20:08] <Rafz^> yes
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> Rafz^: did you point and laugh? :P
[20:08] <Rafz^> yes
[20:09] <Rafz^> I was going to lecture but I thought it best to just smile and enjoy the bottle of wine I got for the trouble
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> also, set up automatic updating
[20:10] <Rafz^> certainly
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> 8 years worth of updates.. that must take a week to install, right?
[20:10] <Rafz^> its hilarious, she said "I just close that box when it asks me to update" to which i replied "for the past decade?"
[20:11] <brobostigon> lol
[20:11] <Rafz^> quite, well the issue is at the moment is im trying to get the updates on another system so I can move them without connecting to my network but then again i think i dont have storage big enough
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> Rafz^: just get the service packs
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> Rafz^: they include every update up to that point
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> Rafz^: and are ~300M-1G each I think
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> I think they fit on CDs
[20:12] <Rafz^> oh well that isn't so bad, let me try and dig out a couple of DVDs (afk 2mins)
[20:13] <Rafz^> re
[20:13] <popey> hehe
[20:13] <popey> a virus...
[20:14] <popey> from the past!
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> popey: "Blaster from the Past(er)"
[20:14] <popey> heh
[20:15] <Rafz^> infact i dont really understand because it's a netbook; it can't even be that old
[20:15] <Rafz^> lol QQ
[20:15] <Rafz^> Thank you for your interest in obtaining updates from our site.
[20:15] <Rafz^> To use this site, you must be running Microsoft Internet Explorer 5 or later.
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> Rafz^: check which version of XP it has, with which Service Packs
[20:16] <popey> o_O
[20:16] <popey> retro
[20:16] <Rafz^> sp3!
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://i.imgur.com/OpAho.jpg
[20:18] <Rafz^> Erm, last updates installed on 16 june
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> Rafz^: this year?
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> Rafz^: there's an SP4 and 5
[20:18] <Rafz^> yeah!
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> (for XP)
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> well maybe not 5
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> but 4
[20:22] <Rafz^> dling now, the issue is that no matter what I tried to do whilst at work offline: edit registry; end process; search, it was all stopped by the worm so I'm not too sure now. I think perhaps it may be a virus that has installed some dodgey anti-virus program and is "faking" finding the worm and demanding monies to get rid of it.
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> could be
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> best option is: backup files, reinstall
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> you never know what's "safe" in cases like that
[20:22] <Rafz^> Yeah, figures - was afraid of that.
[20:30] <dwatkins> Malware Bytes is pretty good at finding trojans
[20:38] <AlanBell> yay, blender should be installable in oneiric today
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: installable != running properly :P
[20:38] <nigelb> MartijnVdS: step by step :P
[20:38] <AlanBell> it will be perfect
[20:38] <AlanBell> and work with openshot
[20:39] <AlanBell> I appear to have sneezed near that box or something so unity doesn't start of course
[20:40] <nigelb> lol
[21:00] <Rafz^> Why did you guys first install Unbuntu?
[21:00] <MartijnVdS> because it sucked less than Debian at the time :)
[21:02] <dutchie> spinny compiz cube!
[21:02] <dutchie> and wobbly windows
[21:02] <Rafz^> And what languages can you gice code in?
[21:03] <JGJones> um...I installed warty warthog...in fact I actually replaced windows with it - decided the best way to learn linux was to go cold turkey - no dual boot etc.
[21:03] <MartijnVdS> JGJones: 4.10 \o/
[21:03] <daubers> lo
[21:03] <brobostigon> becaue i undertood its installer, unlike debians properly at the time, and halittle energy, and couldnt dealwith debian's installer.
[21:03] <JGJones> prior to this, I've played with mandrake and redhat so I can't remember why I installed Ubuntu or even how I heard of it :)
[21:04]  * MartijnVdS went to the first "UDS" in Barcelona in 2004-12 :)
[21:04] <Rafz^> "learn linux", how far have you got with that JGJones:?
[21:04] <MartijnVdS> it wasn't called that back then
[21:05] <JGJones> Rafz^, Well I'm still using ubuntu exclusively, now on 11.10 not 4.10! :) The original PC that I installed 4.10 on is now a 10.04 server in the garage. I also work with linux servers in jobs etc so it was a worthwhile jump :)
[21:05] <brobostigon> my first was debian,late 90's, thenn suse, the freebsd, then debian, then a mixture, as now, between ubuntu and debian.
[21:05] <daubers> Anyone know how I can contact the Lightning devs?
[21:05] <MartijnVdS> daubers: sa in Thunderbird calendar thingy?
[21:05] <JGJones> I even replace OSX with Ubuntu on my macbook.
[21:05] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Yeah, that one
[21:06] <MartijnVdS> daubers: probably in the Mozilla bugzilla
[21:06] <daubers> MartijnVdS: I'm trying to modify it, hence was after a dev I could ask a question :)
[21:06] <Rafz^> Sorry, I only installed a week ago & i am going cold turkey too, I just am struggling to remember why I did it.
[21:06] <MartijnVdS> daubers: use the lazyweb (twitter) :)
[21:07] <JGJones> Rafz^, don't worry...to be honest I think you're probably getting it easier ;-) I learnt a LOT about editing xconf files!
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> JGJones: which you don't need anymore ;)
[21:08] <Rafz^> Well, I just sit here looking at IRC and using the mp3 player and that's about all I know how to do. I isntalled python in some vein hope that I'd actually manage to learn some after watching hours of tutorials and im sure for just a few seconds someone said how it was better to learn to code on an OS like this...perhaps that's why I swapped.
[21:08] <JGJones> Rafz^, but cold turkey is best way to learn. It'll be annoying, you'll have the "Windows" way of doing as an automatic reflex etc - it's just a matter of unlearning that and doing it the linux way.
[21:08] <JGJones> Rafz^, well...I still can't code - you don't need to code :)
[21:09]  * MartijnVdS writes Perl for money, python for fun
[21:09] <Rafz^> What's the difference in the linux way? I mean I am just using is like a mac with the applications on the side instead of bottom :o
[21:09] <JGJones> although I do keep telling myself I gotta learn to code...I did enjoy it back in uni (Pascal(!) and I think perl...not sure, been years)
[21:10] <JGJones> Rafz^, you coming to Ubuntu from Windows or OSX?
[21:10] <Rafz^> Windows
[21:10] <JGJones> Why did you want to learn to use linux - ie going cold turkey?
[21:11] <Rafz^> I liked the literature that I read; I liked the fact that it was open-source; I liked the fact that many great things have come from it; i like the morality in it
[21:11] <JGJones> My reason for doing it was that I wanted to expand my IT skills to include linux and I can't work with linux if I don't use it myself - ie break my own system, fix it etc. I learnt about open source etc afterward :)
[21:12] <Rafz^> Do you think that now it is just too user friendly to command some of that investigation that you had to put in?
[21:13] <JGJones> Rafz^, although with 4.10 - I used command line a lot, even with no X. With 11.04 - when I tell people how to fix something - I tell him how to do so using GUI methods (which for me is a sure sign of how much ubuntu have improved...I avoid telling people how to use the terminal
[21:13] <JGJones> Rafz^, so I guess...if you wanna learn linux, it's a good idea to play with the terminal. Start with the basics - ie if you want to move a file, using mv, cp, ls etc
[21:14] <JGJones> as well as a few others like apt-get install app etc.
[21:14] <JGJones> keep it simple until you're more comfy with that and expand from there perhaps.
[21:15] <Rafz^> that's a nice idea
[21:15]  * StevenR hrrms and wishes the installer would progress (it's a VM, with a usb disk and a local-disk iso of natty... but it won't progress beyond the "make sure you have some disk space" phase
[21:15]  * Rafz^ smiles
[21:16] <Rafz^> Community is good also! Wouldn't get this with windows.
[21:16] <JGJones> Ah that's the other reason that got me stuck on Ubuntu...the community.
[21:16] <JGJones> The folks in here does smell a bit, but they're friendly ;-)
[21:17] <JGJones> The forums was fantastic in the early days for me too.
[21:19] <JGJones> Ubuntu's Code of Conduct is another appeal too.
[21:19] <Rafz^> Yeah I had a look at that
[21:20] <Rafz^> brb smoke
[21:26] <Rafz^> re
[21:30] <Safiyyah> popey did you make it to the post office?
[21:35] <czajkowski> hmmm
[21:35] <czajkowski> there is a fedora sticker on Gorgamon
[21:35] <czajkowski> one of them sticky icky ones that does not like to come off
[21:36] <AlanBell> how could that possibly have got there I wonder
[21:48] <Rafz^> Just took an IQ test got 117 is that bad or good?
[21:49] <bigcalm> That's 17 points above average
[21:49] <Rafz^> oh
[21:49] <Rafz^> thats not great
[21:50]  * brobostigon is in the mid 140's.
[21:51] <jpds> Rafz^: Better than being below?
[21:51] <Rafz^> 140-160 is genius right?
[21:52] <brobostigon> no idea, i dont know, nor care.
[21:52] <brobostigon> Rafz^: 180's 200+ is genius.
[21:53] <Rafz^> ahh ok
[21:53] <AlanBell> no, 200+ is breakdown of the scale
[21:53] <brobostigon> ok, sorry, i misunderstood then.
[21:54] <AlanBell> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_reference_chart
[21:56] <brobostigon> Rafz^: according to those scales, you are above normal.
[21:56] <AlanBell> or in more detail http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/IQtable.aspx
[21:56] <brobostigon> thank you AlanBell.
[21:56] <AlanBell> "You can see why presently nobody should be able to get a deviation IQ higher than 195 (or 201 on the 16 SD scale).  There are not enough people in the world to 'beat'."
[21:57] <brobostigon> lol, quite,
[21:58] <AlanBell> there is a facebook IQ app which is I think supposed to be fairly good
[21:59] <AlanBell> did it when facebook was very very young and all the Lotus business partners were trying out this fangled social networking thing
[22:00] <brobostigon> they did an IQ, within the forms theygave me, for info on me, for my doctors, for aspergers diag.
[22:00] <Azelphur> I never did an IQ test for my diag, must have changed \o/
[22:00] <brobostigon> Azelphur: maybe.
[22:00] <AlanBell> my cleverest friend is now maco
[22:01] <brobostigon> AlanBell: how brainy is he/she ?
[22:01] <AlanBell> she
[22:02] <Azelphur> afaik unless you have an IQ test specifically tailored for aspergers the results are totally invalid btw
[22:02] <Azelphur> speak of thed evil :P
[22:02] <AlanBell> hi maco
[22:02] <AlanBell> was just talking about you but you were not here :)
[22:03] <AlanBell> you are my cleverest friend on facebook
[22:03] <AlanBell> we were discussing IQ tests
[22:03] <brobostigon> Azelphur: that is probebly wht they did,
[22:03] <maco> oh dear
[22:03] <Azelphur> yea :)
[22:04] <Azelphur> I'm seriously thinking about buying a second dedicated server
[22:04] <maco> those were just created to draw dividing lines for mental disabilities. beyond that it's not really so meaningful
[22:04] <Azelphur> I optimized my first one and added 25% extra capacity, it filled within an hour
[22:04] <AlanBell> maco: you thrashed me with your jolly clever 142
[22:04] <maco> (the creator of the first IQ tests said they shouldn't be used to try to extrapolate beyond that)
[22:04] <maco> AlanBell: hmmm?
[22:04] <maco> and where did i get a 142?
[22:04] <brobostigon> Azelphur: it was around a hundred pages, for me too fillout.and then some for my mum and dad.
[22:04] <AlanBell> I scored a measly 141
[22:05] <Azelphur> ouch \o/
[22:05] <AlanBell> maco: facebook IQ app, it shows you the IQ of all your friends who have taken it
[22:05] <AlanBell> bit odd, but there you go
[22:05] <maco> i dont recall taking it, but ok
[22:05] <brobostigon> Azelphur: quite, a few i mrked as invalid stupid questions though, as unanswereable.
[22:05] <maco> when i was actually tested in person it was a bit lower than that (testing to get into school's gifted program)
[22:05] <AlanBell> http://apps.facebook.com/iqtests/index.php
[22:06] <maco> SRSLY?
[22:06] <maco> We can't display this content while you're viewing Facebook over a secure connection (https).
[22:06] <maco> Would you like to temporarily switch to a regular connection (http) to use this app?
[22:06] <maco> You will have a secure connection upon your next login.
[22:06] <AlanBell> hmm, I thought I had checked the always use https box
[22:07] <bigcalm> You did, that's why you're seeing the message
[22:07] <bigcalm> Apps are hosted by 3rd parties, not by Facebook
[22:07] <AlanBell> "You have temporarily turned off secure browsing in order to access an unsupported application. To enable secure browsing again, please log out and log in again."
[22:07] <AlanBell> bigcalm: yeah, I understand the architecture
[22:07] <maco> AlanBell: wondering why you didnt get prompted though?
[22:08] <bigcalm> Ah, ok. Then my text is for maco :)
[22:08] <AlanBell> dunno, I don't recall being asked if I wanted to temporarily turn it off
[22:09] <brobostigon> and i explained my logic behind not being able to answer some of the questions they gave me. and they asked me again, rephrased.
[22:30] <directhex> not much point to adult iq tests
[22:40] <xapel> is it possible to migrate from windows mail to evolution?
[22:47] <directhex> xapel, i don't know. possibly if you export your windows mail to something else like eudora format. generally, pop3 sucks for this
[22:53] <brobostigon> good night, sleep well, everyone.
[22:55] <xapel> directhex, the email is a gmail account. I just need to export the folders. Any ideas?
[22:55] <directhex> xapel, if it's a gmail account, then your mail is still stored on google's servers, not in windows mail. right?
[22:56] <brobostigon> yes, you could just point evolution at google's imap server?
[22:57] <directhex> brobostigon, assuming he was using gogle's imap support and not their pop3 support
[22:57] <directhex> http://www.linuxloop.com/2008/01/06/gmail-evolution-and-imap/
[22:57] <brobostigon> directhex: true, hmmm.
[22:58] <brobostigon> good night eveyone,
[23:04] <xapel> directhex, yes the mail is still on google's servers, but the person has created some folders in her mail client and copied mails there. I want the same folders in evolution with the same contents
[23:07] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Paul Mellors] Tweetdeck + Ubuntu Natty + 64bit - http://paulmellors.blogspot.com/2011/06/tweetdeck-ubuntu-natty-64bit.html
[23:24] <Laney> Just had to drop everything and dash across Nottingham on our bikes at top speed
[23:24] <Laney> isn't geocaching fun? :-)


[02:52] <LukeJM> any c programmers?
[02:52] <LukeJM> jest need to know which packages I need to install to get the compiler to work correctly
[02:53] <LukeJM> seems to work fine when I compile "hello world" but then running it does nothing
[02:53] <persia> I'd recommend starting with build-essential.  That ought be everything you expect.
[02:53] <LukeJM> ok, got that
[02:53] <LukeJM> having some other problem then
[02:54] <LukeJM> the program compiles ok, but doesn't do anything when I run it... its only supposed to printf ("hello world!\n");
[02:58] <LukeJM> thoughts?
[03:00] <persia> Dunno.  You might try stepping through it with a debugger, or looking at strace output.  It's probably a bug.
[03:01] <LukeJM> can't see how... its only 4 lines... and I've compared it to the book
[03:01] <LukeJM> #include <stdio.h>
[03:01] <LukeJM> int main (void)
[03:01] <LukeJM> {
[03:01] <LukeJM> printf ("hello world\n");
[03:01] <LukeJM> return o;
[03:01] <LukeJM> }
[03:02] <jrib> return o?
[03:02] <jrib> erm
[03:02] <LukeJM> errr... 0
[03:02] <LukeJM> THAT was a typo... :)
[03:03] <LukeJM> its right in my source
[03:04] <jrib> LukeJM: should work.  Why don't you pastebin the actual file and your terminal session LukeJM?
[03:09] <LukeJM> lucas@lucas-laptop:~$ gcc -Wall test.c -o test
[03:09] <LukeJM> lucas@lucas-laptop:~$ test
[03:09] <LukeJM> lucas@lucas-laptop:~$
[03:09] <jrib> heh
[03:09] <jrib> ./test
[03:09] <LukeJM> oh you gotta be kidding me
[03:10] <LukeJM> *shakes head*
[03:10] <jrib> yeah, . isn't in your PATH, so you're calling some shell builtin probably
[03:10] <LukeJM> works like a charm... :)
[03:10] <persia> That, or /usr/bin/test
[03:11] <LukeJM> sheesh... gotta be carefull what I name stuff I guess
[03:11] <persia> which ${potential-name} is a good thing to run first :)
[03:12] <LukeJM> so even though i'm in the same directory as the executable I gotta tack the "./" on there?
[03:12] <persia> Or add ./ to your $PATH
[03:12] <persia> (note that this is dangerous, as you never know what might be executed, depending on where you are)
[03:13] <LukeJM> weird... I didn't have that problem when I was running it at school
[03:13] <jrib> LukeJM: what distro?
[03:13] <persia> LukeJM, echo $PATH at home at at school : they might be different.
[03:13] <LukeJM> they're on ubuntu as well...
[03:13] <jrib> sysadmin probably added it
[03:14] <LukeJM> huh.... learn something new every day... thought I was going crazy
[03:14] <persia> silly sysadmin : someone's going to be a wrapper around ls and nab the box one day.
[03:14] <persia> s/be/put a/
[03:16] <LukeJM> well good... now I can finally bang out this temp conversion program assignment
[03:17]  * persia idly wonders if linking against a conversion library would be an acceptable solution
[03:18] <LukeJM> lol, i'm guessing no
[03:18] <persia> I also :)
[03:18] <LukeJM> thanks for the help jrib, persia...
[03:19] <jrib> np
[21:51] <compr00t> test
[21:51] <compr00t> sry
[22:40] <kaafmim> :-X
[22:44] <Ljudkort_> :*
[22:45] <kaafmim> :-D


[00:01] <patr|ck> if my answer was correct, then the bug can be closed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debootstrap/+bug/977126
[00:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 977126 in debootstrap (Ubuntu) "debootstrap is unable to install debian lenny" [Undecided,New]
[00:06]  * patr|ck rings the door bell twice and sits down again
[01:35] <hggdh> patr|ck_: correct :-)
[01:36] <patr|ck_> :-)
[08:26] <patr|ck> when https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1079801 is working on 12.04 and maybe in 13.04 aswell, should i add that to the report comments?
[08:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1079801 in xorg (Ubuntu) "3D apps do not load for the intel "sandy bridge" gfx chip" [Undecided,New]
[10:31] <patr|ck_> that bug is also present in 13.04
[10:31] <patr|ck_> works in 12.04 but is present in 12.10 and 13.04
[14:03] <BlackNarcissus> Hello everyone. I know this is not the place to get help but I'm running out of options so I figured I'd ask here. I'm running Quantal with empathy 3.6 and it's giving me and others a "Certificate self-signed" error when connecting to jabber.org. It's the only IM client to do so. Any workaround ?
[14:04] <BlackNarcissus> Thanks a lot if anyone's reading this.
[21:28] <alo21> hi all
[21:29] <alo21> I would like to upload on the same PPA the same version of a program, but for differnte Ubuntu version. How can I do this?
[21:33] <jtaylor> you add version suffixes with the different versions
[21:33] <jtaylor> e.g. +ppa1~u12.04, +ppa1~u12.10
[21:36] <alo21> jtaylor: in the changelog too. Right?
[21:36] <jtaylor> yes
[21:36] <alo21> jtaylor: thanks