[00:00] <ardchoille> genii: Those are plugins, I meant extensions.
[00:00] <genii> ardchoille: As such, no
[00:01] <ardchoille> :(
[00:02] <ardchoille> Oh well, guess I don't need them anyway.
[00:02] <ardchoille> genii: But, thanks for the plugin search tip :)
[00:02] <Minataku> Any Unix user should know grep :P
[00:02] <Dr_Willis> heh.. by the time i get ssh'd to the other box and irc'd here.. the machine is done fscking.. and time to reboot..
[00:03] <Minataku> Heh
[00:03] <Dr_Willis> brb
[00:03] <Minataku> I'm installing DR-DOS 7.03 on Minataku (Toshiba Satellite 100CS)
[00:04] <Minataku> I told it no memory manager, I plan to install a separate one
[00:04] <Minataku> QEMM :3
[00:08] <ahmad> i can't play audio on my kubuntu
[00:08] <ahmad> anyone has a solution ?!
[00:08] <tashiro> Uadio or mp3?
[00:09] <ahmad> mp3
[00:09] <ahmad> it tells me that amarok cannot play mp3 as package is not installed
[00:09] <ahmad> and after i installed and restarted amarok it didn't play it again
[00:10] <tashiro> Forgot how to do that
[00:10] <mith__> i didn't have any problem with mp3 support
[00:10] <tashiro> Google "Mp3 codecs for kubuntu" thats wat i did
[00:11]  * Dr_willis jamms to Kenny G.
[00:11] <mith__> amarok has offered install the support, end it installed it automatically
[00:11] <ahmad> i have a question
[00:11] <Dr_willis> I belive the 'kubuntu-restricted-extras' package installs mp3 and other things as well. :)
[00:11] <ahmad> what kubuntu did you install
[00:11] <mith__> did u really quit from amarok or just put it down to the panel?
[00:11] <ahmad> or which one you already downloaded ?!
[00:12] <ahmad> no .. i quit it
[00:12] <mith__> 7.10
[00:12] <ahmad> what size is it
[00:12] <ahmad> ?!
[00:12] <mith__> less than 700 mb
[00:13] <ahmad> i think it is the same i have here
[00:13] <ahmad> how do you enter your root then ?! it didn't ask me about the root password in log in !!
[00:14]  * Dr_willis is totally confused by this conversation.
[00:15] <mith__> why do you need the root?
[00:15] <mith__> (sorry my english isn't the best :d )
[00:15] <ahmad> to install programs and mount HDD drives
[00:15] <Tm_T> !sudo | ahmad
[00:15] <ubotu> ahmad: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[00:16] <tashiro> AHAMAD
[00:16] <ahmad> what ?
[00:16] <mith__> i don't need it... hey man if i start the "add/remove programs" it's automatically asks my password
[00:16] <tashiro> try pasting this into ur terminal
[00:16] <tashiro> sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[00:16] <tashiro> It worked for me
[00:18] <Jangari> anyone use kicker-kblogger?
[00:18] <Tm_T> Jangari: what is that?
[00:18] <ahmad> E: Couldn't find package libxine-extracodecs
[00:18] <Jangari> it's apparently a rather good blog editor
[00:18] <Tm_T> I see, never heard
[00:18] <Jangari> except i can't seem to find it
[00:18] <Jangari> i mean, i've installed it, but can't find it anywhere in the system
[00:19] <Dr_willis> Jangari,  it may be the menus need to be refreshed.,
[00:19] <mith__> hmm if I install anything in the "add/remove programs" section, it downloads and extracts the packages perfectly, but before installation ends, it writes: "problems with installation, the packages have errors" or something like this..... but the programs what i installed, are working perfectly, after this eror message too..... has anybody knows whats this?
[00:19] <Dr_willis> Or ya could launch it from a terminal.
[00:19] <Jangari> mm
[00:19] <Jangari> what's the command?
[00:19] <Dr_willis> or log out/backin and seeif it shows up..
[00:19] <Dr_willis> Jangari,  no idea try 'kicker-kblogger'  :) or look in apt:/ in konqueror and search the package to see what files it installed
[00:20] <Jangari> is konqueror kubuntu's package manager?
[00:20] <mith__> not
[00:21] <ahmad> i don't even know how to install xmms
[00:21] <ahmad> i am trying now to install it
[00:22] <Tm_T> ahmad: tried amarok?
[00:22] <ahmad> Tm_T : i already tried it and it failesd
[00:22] <ahmad> failed
[00:23] <Tm_T> ahmad: failed in what?
[00:24] <ahmad> Tm_T : it says it cannot play mp3 and asked me to install mp3 support
[00:24] <tashiro> Ahmad try installing vlc it comes with its own mp3 codecs that work for amarok
[00:24] <Tm_T> tashiro: untrue
[00:24] <ahmad> and after installation i restarted it and it fails again
[00:24] <Tm_T> !codecs > ahmad
[00:25] <tashiro> It works fine for me
[00:25] <Tm_T> did you look that?
[00:25] <Tm_T> tashiro: doesn't matter
[00:25] <navid> I just installed
[00:25] <ahmad> seems that this kubuntu version is defective
 Loosen up dude i was just tryin to help
[00:26] <ignoramus> I cannot install Synce (to connect Smartphone to Kubuntu) - I get the following error: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45519/  Any ideas?
[00:26] <Tm_T> tashiro: I know
[00:26] <Tm_T> tashiro: and I appreciate it
[00:26] <lgkan> I have some screenshots showing the trouble I'm having, every second line such as this window and others like username list, is blacked out
[00:26] <lgkan> how do I correct that
[00:27] <Tm_T> lgkan: check your coloursettings
[00:27] <Dr_willis> lgkan,  there are some kde color themes that do that.
[00:27] <ahmad> it seems a big mistake to leave suse and install kubuntu
[00:27] <navid> I just installed Kubuntu Gusty on a box with a Radeon HD 2400 XT. Now I tried to change the resolution to 1024*768 but now it gives me a 16 color screen. I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and installed fglrx but it doesn't work. Any idea?
[00:27] <Tm_T> ahmad: hold on
[00:27] <lgkan> doesnt seem to matter on the theme, happens on all themes, so colors??
[00:27] <Dr_willis> ahmad,  then dont leave.  I would suggest getting away from xmms however.. its code base is quite dated and i dont beliuve theres much  work on it any more
[00:28] <Tm_T> lgkan: colors, see "alternate background in lists"
[00:28] <Tm_T> Dr_willis: ehm
[00:28] <Dr_willis> I like the beep-media-player these days.
[00:28] <Dr_willis> !info bmpx
[00:28] <ubotu> bmpx: Beep Media Player eXperimental. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.40.0~rc3-1build1 (gutsy), package size 2999 kB, installed size 9264 kB
[00:28] <tashiro> Any advice on how to run Warcraft 3?
[00:28] <Dr_willis> whatever happened to xmms2 ?
[00:28] <lgkan> checkin
[00:28] <ahmad> Dr_wills:so what is your suggestion
[00:28] <Dr_willis> !info xmms2
[00:28] <ubotu> xmms2: Client/server based media player system. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2DrJekyll-4ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 10 kB, installed size 56 kB
[00:28] <tashiro> I used wine but it slows up the game
[00:29] <Dr_willis> I wonder if xmms2 is useable now. I havent tried it lately.
[00:29] <claydoh> ignoramus: the package you are trying to install conflicts with the package dcc-milter that you have installed
[00:29] <Dr_willis> tashiro,  wine or cedega. thats about you ronly options.
[00:29] <navid> I just installed Kubuntu Gusty on a box with a Radeon HD 2400 XT. Now I tried to change the resolution to 1024*768 but now it gives me a 16 color screen. I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and installed fglrx but it doesn't work. Any idea?
[00:29] <tashiro> Thanks doc i'll go try it
[00:29] <ignoramus> claydoh: is dcc-milter necessary, or can I remove it?
[00:30] <claydoh> I dunno, it isn't installed by default in kubuntu so I think so
[00:30] <claydoh> !info dcc-milter
[00:30] <ubotu> dcc-milter: Distributed Checksum Clearinghouse - sendmail milter plugin. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.42-4build1 (gutsy), package size 240 kB, installed size 576 kB
[00:30] <ignoramus> claydoh: thanks - i was thinking that, but it's good to check with the experts first ;)
[00:30] <Tm_T> ahmad: install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[00:30] <dennister> hey folks...i'm still very unhappy with how slow and unresponsive my pc (I think its xorg that's not redrawing as quickly as usual) is, and while purging all the compiz stuff yesterday did improve things a bit, the problems still exist
[00:32] <dennister> here r the system-wide issues: apps are very slow to load and close; i constantly get the message that an app is not responding (terminate or keep running); even my K menu is slow or won't respond; it took over 20 minutes to do a simple apt-get update
[00:32] <Tm_T> dennister: run "top" in konsole
[00:32] <ahmad> i am curious about some point
[00:32] <Tm_T> ahmad: yes?
[00:32] <dennister> these are recent issues (last 48 hours) in a normally-zippy machine
[00:32] <ahmad> what is the difference between alternate and desktop ?!
[00:32] <ahmad> :-shy face
[00:33] <Dr_willis> desktop includes a live cd/desktop on the cd.. alternative is just an installer
[00:33] <ahmad> oh mann
[00:33] <Tm_T> installer and packages, no live
[00:33] <dennister> Tm_T: i did that last night, as well as just now, and it shows very little system and cpu usage
[00:33] <Tm_T> dennister: load?
[00:33] <dennister> i should say memory % and cpu usage
[00:33] <ahmad> then the alternate copy has more packages than the desktop one ?!
[00:34] <Tm_T> ahmad: no, contents in different format
[00:34] <Tm_T> but same stuff
[00:34] <Dr_willis> ahmad,  it may have a few more packages never counted... but proberly not many. nothing you couldent install anyway
[00:34] <Tm_T> ahmad: did kubuntu-restricted-extras install well there?
[00:34] <ahmad> i don't know how to make this task
[00:35] <ahmad> Tm_T : i don't know how to make this task
[00:35] <dennister> load average: 0.02, 1.89, 3.48
[00:35] <Tm_T> dennister: interesting, still sluggish?
[00:35] <dennister> Tm_T: so sluggish it's almost unusable
[00:35] <Tm_T> dennister: weird
[00:36] <Tm_T> dennister: something in cd/dvd drive?
[00:36] <Tm_T> ahmad: run "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras" in konsole
[00:36] <dennister> Tm_T: nothing, and yes it's wierd...which is why i come to the experts :P
[00:36] <Dr_willis> ive seen hard drive/cd be 'bad' and the system keeps scanning the disk/drive  and really lag things out
[00:36] <Tm_T> Dr_willis: I have that in times
[00:36] <Tm_T> evil
[00:37] <Dr_willis> Hmm. dang it - firefox keeps dieing on me. :) teach ME to go to Youtube.
[00:37] <dennister> well the hard drive is only 1 yr old, the optical drive 18mths...i know that doesn't rule them out, but...
[00:37] <Tm_T> ahmad: luck?
[00:38] <ahmad> Tm_T : E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-restricted-extras
[00:38] <ahmad> i am about to cryy
[00:38] <Tm_T> ahmad: no need to worry :)
[00:38] <Dr_willis> ahmad,  you are using the latest Gutsy release of kubuntu?
[00:38] <Dr_willis> !find restricted-extras
[00:38] <ubotu> Found: kubuntu-restricted-extras, ubuntu-restricted-extras, xubuntu-restricted-extras
[00:38] <ahmad> 7.10
[00:39] <ahmad> is that the last one ?!
[00:39] <Tm_T> tes
[00:39] <Tm_T> yes
[00:39] <dennister> i've also got gentoo on this same hard drive and it's not sluggish...seems to be only and suddenly affecting kubuntu
[00:39] <Tm_T> ahmad: "sudo apt-get update" gives what?
[00:39] <Dr_willis> i would do a 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get upgrade' then try 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras'
[00:39] <Tm_T> ahmad: use pastebin :)
[00:39] <Tm_T> Dr_willis: hmm, you like? :)
[00:40] <Tm_T> Dr_willis: if you have time, help ahmad, I'm bit in the middle of something here
[00:40] <vit___> puta
[00:40] <lele> ji all
[00:40] <Tm_T> vit___: excuse me?
[00:40] <Dr_willis> ahmad,  be sure your spelling is correct also. :)
[00:41] <ahmad> Tm_T or Dr_wills :
[00:41] <ahmad> Ign cdrom://Kubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Release i386 (20071016.1) gutsy/main Translation-en_US
[00:41] <ahmad> Ign cdrom://Kubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Release i386 (20071016.1) gutsy/restricted Translation-en_US
[00:41] <ahmad> Reading package lists... Done
[00:41] <Tm_T> Dr_willis: thanks :)
[00:41] <ahmad> you mean about my spelling here dr_wills ?!
[00:41] <dennister> something else that's wierd about this kubuntu installation? all of a sudden only *some* of my fat 16 partitions on other drive weren't writable anymore from kubuntu, but ok with gentoo
[00:41] <Dr_willis> all spelling. :) for the package names at least.
[00:41] <ahmad> or in the konsole ?! :D
[00:41] <lgkan> thanks the alternate txt color fixed that problem
[00:41] <ahmad> ok
[00:42] <ahmad> it gives reading packages lists ... Done
[00:42] <ahmad> what next ?!
[00:42] <Dr_willis> i would do a 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get upgrade' then try 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras'
[00:42] <Dr_willis> update, upgrade, try again
[00:42] <Tm_T> Dr_willis: ahmad: you don't have repositories enabled
[00:42] <dennister> so no one has any other suggestions about my sluggish system? i'd really like to know before i wipe the whole thing clean, cause my son is having the same problem with his new feisty installation
[00:43] <Dr_willis> Tm_T,  thats possible also. :)
[00:43] <Tm_T> Dr_willis: that's the case
[00:43] <lgkan> anyone have any recommendations for wirless tools for a laptop
[00:43] <Dr_willis> !info kubuntu-restricted-extras
[00:43] <ubotu> kubuntu-restricted-extras: Commonly used restricted packages. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 10 (gutsy), package size 3 kB, installed size 32 kB
[00:44] <ahmad> Dr_wills : 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[00:44] <ahmad> Dr_Wills : E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-restricted-extras
[00:44] <ahmad> Tm_T : please discuss alittle more
[00:44] <Dr_willis> well if You are using Gutsy., its possible you dont have the 'multiverse' repository enabled.
[00:45] <Dr_willis> !multiverse
[00:45] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[00:45] <Tm_T> Dr_willis: he doesn't have any repositories enabled
[00:45] <Dr_willis> I forget the proper way to enable them. :) i do it old skool and manually edit the configs
[00:46] <Dr_willis> lets see fire up adept_manager with    kdesu adept_manager
[00:46] <ahmad> i already started that approach 5 mins ago
[00:46] <Dr_willis> i always hate adept :) cant een get it to do the reositories
[00:46] <Dr_willis> !easysource
[00:46] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[00:47] <Dr_willis> Check your /etc/apt/sources.list you should have some lines like the following 3
[00:47] <Dr_willis> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy universe multiverse
[00:47] <Dr_willis> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-updates universe multiverse
[00:47] <Dr_willis> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-security universe multiverse
[00:48] <Tm_T> ...
[00:48] <Dr_willis> you may or may not have 'us' but the 'multiverse' at the end is impiorntant.
[00:49] <Tm_T> ahmad: actually, paste your whole /etc/apt/sources.list to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[00:49] <Dr_willis> Tm_T,  good idea. :)
[00:49] <ahmad> the kubuntu updates is inactive in the software sources windows in the Adept Manager
[00:50] <Tm_T> ahmad: activate all sources
[00:50] <oem__> hi to all
[00:50] <Tm_T> moin
[00:50] <JJtech> hello
[00:51] <JJtech> im a new kubuntu user
[00:51] <JJtech> pleeeaase som1 help
[00:51] <DM|> so in GNOME there is a way to set up so people can control your desktop , where is that setting in KDE?
[00:51] <DM|> JJtech just ask the question, dont ask if anyone can help
[00:51] <JJtech> ahhh.. ok
[00:51] <JJtech> thnz
[00:52] <dennister> jjtech, like this: how do i test my hard drive and dvd for bad sectors/hardware probs?
[00:52] <JJtech> i just finish installing kubuntu.. how do i use optimal performance for my geForce 8400 nvidia??
[00:52] <dennister> that's for everyone helping, too , lol
[00:52] <nosrednaekim> DM|: you mean like VNC?
[00:53] <Dr_willis> JJtech,  you did install the nvidia drivers for your video card? that would be step 1.
[00:53] <JJtech> yes
[00:53] <JJtech> finish updating actually
[00:53] <DM|> nosrednaekim yes
[00:53] <vit___> bye
[00:53] <nosrednaekim> DM|: I think there is kvnc..
[00:53] <DM|> nosrednaekim ive set up VNC all the ports blahh blahh and it still refuses connection
[00:53] <Dr_willis> I thought the restricted-manager thing asks by default. :) other then that - i cant think  of anything else to do from the start.
[00:54] <dennister> JJtech: updating itself won't necessarily install the restricted graphics drivers
[00:54] <nosrednaekim> !vnc
[00:54] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[00:54] <dennister> !nvidia
[00:54] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[00:54] <JJtech> kk.. i'll try
[00:55] <kreib> !KDE4
[00:55] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. RC 1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc1.php
[00:55] <DM|> nosrednaekim no im trying to set up KDE to allow me to VNC into the box
[00:56] <lovre> hi alll
[00:56] <lovre> what should i use to emulate windows games?
[00:56] <nosrednaekim> DM|: oh, go to #kde and they'll probably be able to help you more.
[00:56] <nosrednaekim> lovre: wine?
[00:56] <akira> lovre wine
[00:56] <lovre> Wine is no good for games. No sound in most games, and the screen flickers :(
[00:56] <nosrednaekim> play native linux games then
[00:57] <lovre> waiting for UT3 for linux :D
[00:57] <lovre> there arent many native linux games out there
[00:57] <lovre> at least not good ones
[00:57] <akira> im currently working on microslugs freelancer for linux
[00:58] <Dr_willis> I normally ssh into a box, then start a stand alone vnc session.
[00:58] <JJtech> guys, what is more in eye-candy? kubuntu or ubuntu?
[00:58] <Tm_T> Kubuntu
[00:59] <nosrednaekim> JJtech: kubuntu for sure
[00:59] <Dr_willis> eye candy - causes ocular cavaties
[00:59] <Dr_willis> :)
[00:59] <lovre> :p
[00:59] <akira> lol
[00:59] <JJtech> (:
[00:59] <Dr_willis> i think i spelt ocular right. :)
[00:59] <JJtech> lol
[00:59] <akira> :)
[00:59] <JJtech> Dr_will u from where?
[00:59] <julio3patas> how can i imrpove dvd playback it plays and is like it hesitates sometimes i am using xine and have a 8800 gts plenty of memory and quad cpu, how can dvd playback be improve, thanks
[01:00] <r0y4l> is there a kde4 package that includes the new version of kate?
[01:00] <nosrednaekim> julio3patas: that is a problem with dma
[01:00] <nosrednaekim> r0y4l: I believe its part of kde4-sdk
[01:00] <julio3patas> nosrednaekim: it is a sata dvd drive
[01:00] <Tm_T> r0y4l: topic
[01:01] <nosrednaekim> julio3patas: does it always stutter... or is it only occasionally?
[01:01] <JJtech> how to dual boot???
[01:01] <JJtech> i want to use my VISTA ultimate
[01:01] <akira> which os.s
[01:01] <julio3patas> every other couple of seconds
[01:01] <nosrednaekim> JJtech: you should probably have loaded that first
[01:02] <JJtech> ouch
[01:02] <nosrednaekim> julio3patas: sure its not your DVD drive?
[01:02] <DM|> UGH kde sucks for mounting stuff GUI
[01:02] <r0y4l> nosrednaekim: thx that was correct! :)
[01:02] <akira> yep and only use half your hard drive
[01:02] <julio3patas> i tried on a sata drive and a ide drive same thing, the drive is fine
[01:02] <nosrednaekim> DM|: eh?
[01:03] <nosrednaekim> !DMA
[01:03] <ubotu> dma is Direct Memory Access/Addressing. It makes hard disks & optical drives transfer data faster, and is almost always enabled in Ubuntu 6.06. For more info see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DMA
[01:03] <DM|> nosrednaekim trying to mount an ext3 and it keeps giving me errors , yet in GNOME it works just fine
[01:03] <julio3patas> sata drives don't use dma
[01:03] <nosrednaekim> julio3patas: yeah... I know, just wanted to see that factoid for something
[01:04] <nosrednaekim> DM|: use "disks and filesystems" in systemsettings
[01:04] <JJtech> 1st i load windows XP SP2, then dual boot with VIsta Ultimate, then Ubuntu on my secondary SATA... but when i tried loading UBUNTU, it beeps wild.. then a very loooong beep
[01:05] <nosrednaekim> julio3patas: did you try another media player?
[01:05] <Dr_willis> or the media:/ address
[01:06] <akira> jjtech did you make the proper swap partition
[01:07] <JJtech> i used guided
[01:08] <JJtech> i have 2 SATA and EDIE drive..
[01:08] <JJtech> 1 hard disk for every OS...
[01:09] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. Only beeping i can think of would be the bios beeping.. It boots up ubuntu then starts beeping?
[01:09] <akira> jjtech was there any othe os.s runing at the time or was it on boot
[01:11] <JJtech> i think when ubuntu loads up it starts beeping..
[01:11] <JJtech> it beeps wildy, then a very loong beep
[01:11] <Dr_willis> You think? Hmm...  you see the grub menu? it beeps befr/after that?
[01:12] <JJtech> blank screen
[01:12] <akira> no grub?
[01:12] <twylight> beep
[01:12] <JJtech> nothing
[01:12] <JJtech> blank screen then beep
[01:12] <JJtech> my red LED blinking
[01:12] <Dr_willis> caps lock led?
[01:13] <JJtech> no.. on my CPU
[01:13] <Minataku> CPUs have no LEDs
[01:13] <JJtech> i mean
[01:13] <Minataku> You probably mean the case
[01:13] <JJtech> in my casing
[01:13] <JJtech> yes
[01:13] <ardchoille> Sounds like maybe the hard drive light (hd being accessed)
[01:13] <Minataku> Sorry, but that's an error that really annoys me
[01:13] <JJtech> yeah
[01:14] <Dr_willis> my wife calls it the 'guts' :)
[01:14] <Minataku> lol
[01:14] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: lol
[01:14] <JJtech> lol
[01:14] <akira> :)
[01:14] <N0oBi3> !compiz
[01:14] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[01:14] <Dr_willis> and she has a new 'lapdesk' :)
[01:14] <JJtech> but anyways, i figured it out just recently
[01:14] <Minataku> >.<
[01:14] <Minataku> lol
[01:14] <ardchoille> lol
[01:14] <JJtech> im just wondering why it beeps annoyingly
[01:14] <JJtech> it's like it will explode or something
[01:15] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: Your wife's dictionary have lots of white out?
[01:15] <Dr_willis> it beepes befor you get to any OS then?
[01:15] <JJtech> yeah
[01:15] <Dr_willis> ardchoille,  you dont whant to know the fight we had over a 'mango vs. a greenpepper'
[01:15] <akira> dr.willis lmao
[01:15] <Dr_willis> I would say.. open up the case. dust it out.. double check all fans,  power up and look.
[01:16] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: There was a recent bug that disallowed tty1-6 showing text, they're active, they just don't show anything. And if he is experiencing a grub error, he won't see the output
[01:16] <Dr_willis> ardchoille,  havent seen that one.
[01:16] <JJtech> no.. there is no problem with the internals..
[01:16] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: tons of folks confirmed it in launchpad
[01:16] <Dr_willis> JJtech,  you dont want to know the times ive heard that. :)
[01:16] <akira> jjtech then you have something tweaked wrong
[01:16] <Dr_willis> JJtech,  it wont boot any os?, could try unpluging  all the hd's except one.
[01:17] <JJtech> then why when i load my VISTA it wont do like ubuntu does
[01:17] <Dr_willis> live cd would be a good test also
[01:17] <ardchoille> JJtech: Did you install nvidia or ati drivers via the restricted drivers manager?
[01:17] <JJtech> ardchoille> not yet..
[01:17] <ardchoille> ok
[01:17]  * Dr_willis thinks the whole deal needs more clarification. HOW can you boot vista if you dont even see a grub menu?
[01:18] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: default entry in menu.lst ?
[01:18] <akira> Dr_willis : you got me on that one?
[01:18] <JJtech> when booting, i press F11 to choose where to boot 1st...
[01:18] <Dr_willis> so hes bypasing grub totally with F11 - ive done similer with a machine,
[01:19] <JJtech> i hav 3 hard disk, each with diffirent OS
[01:19] <Dr_willis> Problem with the f11 method. is that some times hard drives get 'swaped' around in the bios ive noticed. so  what was sdb when you installed.. becomes sda whenyou boot it with the bios menu feature.
[01:19] <JJtech> i see
[01:19] <redelf> hi all
[01:19] <Dr_willis> But ive never heard of the ubuntu system beeping.. the flashing led. ivbe seen when the kernel really really crashes bad.,
[01:20] <JJtech> i think it's not with the ubuntu
[01:20] <akira> i only have 1 hd with 3 o.s and never had a prob
[01:20] <Dr_willis> akira,  you hit a key at boot and tell the pc what hd to boot? ive had different machines handle that 'way' differntly.
[01:21] <JJtech> no problem with 1 hard disk..i tried that already..
[01:21] <Dr_willis> but eevnif the hd;s were getting switched - he still should be seeing a grub menu.
[01:21] <JJtech> but i want to use each hard drive, and separate system..
[01:22] <akira> Dr_willis i never used more than 1 hd
[01:23] <JJtech> anyway, i change settings in my BIOS, when i want to load Kubuntu i change bios settings..and it fixed.. no beeping
[01:23] <JJtech> i have 3 hard disk, but each only 80g
[01:24] <akira> Dr_willis:not is he didnt have a swap
[01:25] <JJtech> ???
[01:26] <Cake> damn
[01:28] <akira> wifes buggin me for dinner be back latrs all
[01:28] <dennister> JJtech: ok, well it looks like i'll be wiping this hard drive clean over the weekend and starting from scratch
[01:28] <Dr_willis> ive booted with no swap. there would be some errors if the fstab tryes to mount the thing and its not there.. but ive had it boot.
[01:29] <JJtech> i see
[01:29] <JJtech> got to go... bRb
[01:30] <dennister> JJtech: having a different OS on 2 or 3 diff 80G drives is actually a good idea...i have 2 drives and if  one drive goes bad, you have a backup while u try to rescue/re-install the other
[01:30] <dennister> i loved the fact that while my winblows was on sata drive, i put linux on ide drive...and i never have to "fool windows" to think it's on the first drive
[01:31] <dennister> when i was a noob i wasted a coupla weeks following howtos on how to "fool windows"; then found out by lucky accccccident that ubuntu did all that for me
[01:32] <dennister> aaaaaaaaaack!
[01:32] <dennister> <----talks to ghosts, herself...
[01:33] <dennister> actually, it was my slow-to-redrrraw xorg that was at fault :P
[01:33] <roar_> KDE 4  is awesome!
[01:35] <|Jason8|MK|> Hey guys.
[01:35] <|Jason8|MK|> I just installed kubuntu today, and it didn't install my sound card.
[01:36] <|Jason8|MK|> I checked in /dev/ for the sound card device, and it's not even there.
[01:36] <|Jason8|MK|> Any ideas?
[01:36] <Dr_willis> there are some newer sound cards/chipsets that dont have linux/alsa support.. yet... sadly.
[01:36] <Dr_willis> i would say use 'lspci' and see what your sound card is. and check the ubuntu forums
[01:36] <Dr_willis> also check the !alsa wiki page
[01:36] <Dr_willis> !alsa
[01:36] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[01:37] <|Jason8|MK|> Thanks.
[01:37] <|Jason8|MK|> I just got this computer over the summer, it has an Nforce 405 chipset on the board
[01:37] <BluesKaj> |Jason8|MK|, in the konsole : cat /proc/asound/cards
[01:38] <|Jason8|MK|> no such file or directory.
[01:38] <BluesKaj> ok try , lspci | grep audio
[01:39] <dennister> gonna close this to save hdd seek time ppl, annnd wipe hdd clean over weekend...later all
[01:39] <lgkan> >>>bring it on<<<<O
[01:39] <|Jason8|MK|> BluesKaj: nothing happened.
[01:40] <|Jason8|MK|> Just gave me a new line in the terminal.
[01:40] <BluesKaj> |Jason8|MK|, look for "audio controllers "type : lspci
[01:42] <onishidato> hello veryone
[01:42] <RATTTTS> i have a problem with wine
[01:42] <|Jason8|MK|> No audio controllers :/
[01:42] <onishidato> do you know how can i play a .DAT file on Kubuntu?
[01:42] <onishidato> :(
[01:43] <|Jason8|MK|> It's a High-Definition Audio card with an nvidia chipset.
[01:43] <RATTTTS> i have a dual boot, and in my vista boot, xfire runs perfectly with its updates. when i log onto my linux boot and access the vista os from it to run the xfire.exe with wine, it runs the oldest version of xfire. how do i make it run the updated version??????
[01:43] <onishidato> someone can help me?
[01:43] <|Jason8|MK|> ...Actually, most of the stuff when I use lspci comes up as NVidia Corporation: Unknown Device
[01:44] <angel> jason i have nvidia hd  and run good
[01:44] <angel> wait
[01:44] <Dr_willis> RATTTTS,  i wouls suggest you reinstall xfire with wine, and not run apps from a windows hd. that has caused issues with me in the past.
[01:44] <RATTTTS> true, but i cant get xfire to install with wine so i have to do it that way
[01:44] <Dr_willis> its also possible thers some other xfire.exe  thats the newer one.
[01:44] <RATTTTS> i get some errors
[01:45] <Dr_willis> im suprised that xfire works at all. :) old or new.
[01:45] <|Jason8|MK|> RATTTTS: sounds like you have two copies of xfire installed.
[01:45] <RATTTTS> ??
[01:45] <angel> jason8: my module is   snd_hda_intel
[01:45] <RATTTTS> i doubt i have 2 copies
[01:45] <DM|> So i got VNC working to connect to a KDE box but cant control the desktop, any ideas?
[01:45] <BluesKaj> |Jason8|MK|, did you setup alsa in the soundsystem as Dr_willis suggested ?
[01:45] <Dr_willis> Prove it. :) you could reinstall xfire under windows and tell it to installto c:/NEWXFIRE and see if you an run it from there.
[01:46] <RATTTTS> by the way. has anyone successfully run WOW on linux without cedega?
[01:46] <RATTTTS> il try that
[01:46] <Dr_willis> DM|,  there may be some  security setting for the kde remote desktop (sounds like)  I never share the current desktop - so cant  tell ya even where to look.
[01:46] <angel> chip: alc883  with module: snd_hda_intel
[01:47] <DM|> RaTTTTs i do yes
[01:47] <lgkan> how does one take ownership of a harddrive previously with xp or vista on it
[01:47] <RATTTTS> u run wow?
[01:47] <RATTTTS> on wine?
[01:47] <DM|> RATTTTS: yes with WINE
[01:47] <RATTTTS> how did u do it?
[01:47] <DM|> cedega f*ing blows
[01:47] <lgkan> If I can run gw on wine wow should work too
[01:47] <DM|> RaTTTTs there are how twos
[01:48] <DM|> toos*
[01:48] <onishidato> how can i play a .DAT on kubuntu?
[01:48] <RATTTTS> i tried the how tos
[01:48] <DM|> tos*
[01:48] <RATTTTS> they all suck
[01:48] <|Jason8|MK|> BluesKaj: It seems as though kubuntu can't even see the sound device.
[01:48] <RATTTTS> can you direct me to a good how to?
[01:48] <DM|> RaTTTTs http://www.wowwiki.com/Linux/Wine#Sound_stops_working_after_alt-tabbing_out
[01:48] <DM|> wait
[01:48] <RATTTTS> thats what you used right?
[01:48] <DM|> yeah thats the one
[01:48] <RATTTTS> thatnbx
[01:48] <RATTTTS> thanx*
[01:49] <DM|> RaTTTTs i didnt use a guide, i know wine pretty well
[01:49] <BluesKaj> |Jason8|MK|, ' alsamixer ' in the terminal ?
[01:49] <RATTTTS> kool
[01:49] <|Jason8|MK|> BluesKaj: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[01:49] <angel> play .data  in kubuntu
[01:50] <angel> fist aptitude install   libxine-dev libxine-doc libxine1-gnome libxine1-plugins libxinerama-dev
[01:50] <RATTTTS> hey DM|
[01:50] <BluesKaj> |Jason8|MK|,  hmmm... bummer :/
[01:50] <DM|> RATTTTS yes?
[01:50] <Tm_T> angel: er?
[01:50] <angel> second: open kaffeine  and search .dat
[01:50] <RATTTTS> i did access my vista boot from wine to run wow.exe and it got me to the login screen...graphics were great, but when i login and select my character and it loads the game, it just keeps loading
[01:50] <|Jason8|MK|> BluesKaj: I was looking around google and this computer's supposed to be real good with linux in general.
[01:51] <RATTTTS> and dodest play
[01:51] <Tm_T> angel: you don't make much sense
[01:51] <RATTTTS> doesnt play*
[01:51] <|Jason8|MK|> Maybe it's because I'm running an old version of kubuntu.  I got 6.06 right now.
[01:51] <BluesKaj> |Jason8|MK|, so your machine is fairly new ?
[01:52] <|Jason8|MK|> BluesKaj: Yeah.
[01:52] <|Jason8|MK|> It's an Acer T180, bought it this summer.
[01:52] <BluesKaj> |Jason8|MK|, yeah, could be
[01:52] <|Jason8|MK|> So far kubuntu/ubuntu hasn't liked the integrated graphics or the sound.
[01:52] <DM|> RATTTTS so you are running it from a Windows drive?
[01:53] <RATTTTS> yes and it runs but when it loads it just keeps loading...after i select my character
[01:53] <Minataku> I've got DESQview/X up and running
[01:53] <Minataku> It's pretty cool
[01:53] <DM|> RATTTTS what vid card
[01:53] <Minataku> X11 on DOS
[01:53] <RATTTTS> 8600 m gs
[01:53] <DM|> RATTTTS nice, ok do you have write permissions on the windows drive
[01:53] <RATTTTS> ya i think so
[01:53] <BluesKaj> my pc ran dapper , thats 6.10 I think , and mine's almost 2 yrs old
[01:53] <angel> jason8: yes you have kernel old
[01:53] <RATTTTS> pretty sure i do
[01:53] <DM|> RATTTTS create a folder on the windows drive to be sure
[01:54] <RATTTTS> ok let me try
[01:54] <onishidato> how can i change my profile to root?
[01:54] <onishidato> they ask me if i'm a root
[01:54] <DM|> !permissions onishidato
[01:54] <Dr_willis> onishidato,  who asks you?
[01:54] <RATTTTS> ya, i can make a folder on it
[01:54] <DM|> lol woops wrong one
[01:54] <BluesKaj> |Jason8|MK|, I'd defeintely go for the newer release 7.10
[01:54] <Minataku> Haha, sweet
[01:54] <onishidato> my computer
[01:54] <Minataku> XEV.EXE XD
[01:54] <RATTTTS> i made a folder DM|
[01:55] <DM|> RATTTTS try the following command: wine /path/to/folder/wow.exe -opengl
[01:55] <jhoc2x2> im back
[01:55] <Daisuke_Laptop> mmmkay, apparently something didn't like that kde4 rc1 installation
[01:55] <onishidato> when i try to use the aptitude install   libxine-dev libxine-doc libxine1-gnome libxine1-plugins libxinerama-dev, they ask me that
[01:55] <RATTTTS> ok hold on
[01:55] <JJtech> is wine ok to use? what r pros and cons
[01:55] <JJtech> ??
[01:55] <JJtech> is wine ok to use? what r pros and cons??
[01:55] <Minataku> WINE is great
[01:55] <Dr_willis> onishidato,  when using 'system' type commands like that you NEED to use sudo at the start of the command
[01:55] <Minataku> !repeat
[01:55] <ubotu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com  http://wiki.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntuforums.org or http://www.kubuntuforums.net while you wait. Also see !patience
[01:56] <Dr_willis> sudo aptitude install   libxine-dev libxine-doc libxine1-gnome libxine1-plugins libxinerama-dev
[01:56] <Minataku> The pros are it lets you run a whole bunch of various Windows programs without Windows
[01:56] <|Jason8|MK|> BluesKaj: Got ya.  I'll download it at school next week some time :D
[01:56] <Tm_T> Dr_willis: erm?
[01:56] <Minataku> The cons are that it can't run all of them
[01:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> RATTTTS: check winehq and look for the opengl line in the comments.  add that to the .WTF config file
[01:56] <JJtech> i see
[01:56] <JJtech> thanks
[01:56] <Dr_willis> onishidato,  get it? sudo aptitude install   libxine-dev libxine-doc libxine1-gnome libxine1-plugins libxinerama-dev
[01:56] <Minataku> np
[01:56] <onishidato> thanks
[01:56] <RATTTTS> ok ill try your method. thanx for helping
[01:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> because yes, WoW works great with opengl (daggerspine ftw :D)
[01:56] <Tm_T> Dr_willis: that makes no sense
[01:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> i didn't say that >_>
[01:56] <JJtech> can my splinter Cell double agent run in wine?
[01:57] <Dr_willis> Tm_T,  hes trying to install stuff without using sudo.,
[01:57] <Minataku> There's something strangely awesome about typing "xset q" at a DOS prompt and having it return info about the running X server
[01:57] <Minataku> lol
[01:57] <Tm_T> Dr_willis: yes but why -doc -dev and xinerama packages?
[01:57] <Tm_T> he doesn't need them
[01:57] <JJtech> will my SplinterCell4 run in wine?
[01:57] <Minataku> !repeat
[01:57] <ubotu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com  http://wiki.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntuforums.org or http://www.kubuntuforums.net while you wait. Also see !patience
[01:57] <Dr_willis> Tm_T,  because thats what he said he was trying to install.. I dont have ESP.. ask him. :P
[01:57] <Daisuke_Laptop> S.T.A.L.K.E.R works, no reason that shouldn't.  if it offers an opengl mode, you're probably even better off
[01:57] <Minataku> !coc | JJtech
[01:57] <ubotu> JJtech: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[01:58] <Minataku> It's worth a shot, but probably not
[01:58] <JJtech> sorry
[01:58] <Minataku> It's okay
[01:58] <Minataku> Just calm down
[01:58] <|Jason8|MK|> Thanks for your help guys.  I appreciate it.  And happy Thanksgiving!
[01:59] <JJtech> i have been using windows OS since win95 up till now.. just recently change to linux
[01:59] <NickPresta> JJtech, welcome.
[01:59] <JJtech> thanks
[01:59] <Daisuke_Laptop> since win95?  noob...   :P
[01:59] <Tm_T> Daisuke_Laptop: krhm
[01:59] <JJtech> i have win95, win98, XP SP@, VISTA ULTIMATE
[01:59] <genii> lol Daisuke
[02:00] <joseph_> hey DM|   the filepath is wrong here /media/VistaOS/Program Files/World of Warcraft/wow.exe     i got it by right clicking the wow.exe file and going to properties
[02:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> and oh, definitely welcome.  always ready to bring another soul into the light
[02:00] <joseph_> what do i do?
[02:00] <DM|> joseph_ RATTTTS?
[02:00] <joseph_> yes lol
[02:00] <joseph_> sorry about that
[02:00] <angel> ratsss --dieee
[02:00] <RATTTTS> there u go
[02:00] <DM|> joseph try...  wine "/media/VistaOS/Program Files/World of Warcraft/wow.exe" -opengl
[02:00] <angel> ratt logout
[02:00] <Tm_T> angel: ?
[02:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> !coc | angel
[02:01] <RATTTTS> with quotes?
[02:01] <ubotu> angel: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[02:01] <DM|> RATTTTS aye, linux doesnt like spaces in file paths
[02:01] <DM|> RATTTTS wine "/media/VistaOS/Program Files/World of Warcraft/wow.exe" -opengl
[02:01] <Dr_willis> with the name  'program files' having a space - quotes are needed
[02:01] <Tm_T> you\ can\ escape\ spaces
[02:01] <Dr_willis> or cd to   "/media/VistaOS/Program Files/World of Warcraft/" then wine wow.exe  :)
[02:02] <Dr_willis> which i find works better
[02:02] <DM|> Tm_T  \ \ \ \  is too time consuming, quotes are easier
[02:02] <Tm_T> DM|: well tabfilling does it for you
[02:02] <DM|> Dr_willis wine wow.exe -opengl
[02:02] <DM|> Tm_T yes, quotes = easier though
[02:02] <DM|> copy paste, bam
[02:02] <Tm_T> all works
[02:03] <DM|> im not arguing the validity of the statement only its ease of use
[02:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> and therein lies the beauty of linux!  for any action, there are usually multiple ways to go about it.
[02:03] <Minataku> I find escaping easier
[02:03] <Tm_T> DM|: heh, well, you still have to write quotes, or just hit tab
[02:03] <Minataku> Because I usually forget the first quote then I have to go back
[02:03] <Minataku> lol
[02:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> "home"
[02:03] <Dr_willis> Dont forget the proper Case also.. :)
[02:03] <angel> ratttts:sorry
[02:03] <DM|> Tm_T to each their own :)
[02:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> works for me, don't think it does in a tty
[02:03] <JJtech> how to install flash player in konqueror browser??
[02:04] <Tm_T> DM|: yup
[02:04] <RATTTTS> hey DM| awesome help man it worked...problem is now, i cant alt tab out of the game lol
[02:04] <Minataku> Daisuke_Laptop: Not that easy, and even then, there's still multiple pressings of arrow keys
[02:04] <angel> i sorry
[02:04] <Daisuke_Laptop> yeah
[02:04] <Minataku> Followed by "End"
[02:04] <RATTTTS> i alt tab and it flashes what im tabing into then just goes back to the game
[02:04] <Minataku> Heehee
[02:04] <Minataku> Pig Up
[02:04] <Daisuke_Laptop> why followed by end?
[02:04] <Minataku> XD
[02:04] <DM|> RATTTTS you wont be able to , try switching to a diff desktop <alt><cntl> <left> or <right>
[02:04] <Minataku> Daisuke_Laptop: I've usually forgotten to put quotes on the end, too
[02:04] <Minataku> lol
[02:05] <Daisuke_Laptop> RATTTTS: because the game is pretty much taking over that desktop
[02:05] <Daisuke_Laptop> ah...
[02:05] <Dr_willis> or run the game in a window
[02:05] <RATTTTS> oh ya ill try that...lol
[02:05] <Tm_T> ok, back to topic, kids
[02:05] <DM|> RATTTTS also activate "sound in background in wow settings
[02:05] <Minataku> This is on topic
[02:05] <DM|> otherwise sound will be messed
[02:05] <Minataku> This can happen in Kubuntu
[02:05] <RATTTTS> hmm how to you make batch files in linux....i would like to run the game by double clicking from now on
[02:05] <Tm_T> Minataku: support channel
[02:05] <Minataku> It's valid to everyone here
[02:05] <Daisuke_Laptop> now.  kde4rc1 screwed
[02:05] <Minataku> It's also support related
[02:05] <Daisuke_Laptop> can't launch a kde4 session...
[02:05] <RATTTTS> sound in background....is that in a file, or in the game setting within the game?
[02:05] <Tm_T> Minataku: not currently
[02:05] <Minataku> Since someone may have wanted to know but was too afraid to ask
[02:05] <DM|> RATTTTS we dont do batch files here, you can make a custom entry in your kmenu
[02:05] <Dr_willis> RATTTTS,  make a file with the line you typed..    then chmod +x the file, then ya can double click onit
[02:06] <DM|> RATTTTS a setting in Sound in wow
[02:06] <Minataku> Like the kid in the back of the class who wet himself the first day and doesn't talk anymore
[02:06] <Minataku> XD
[02:06] <RATTTTS> ok kool
[02:06] <Minataku> Sorry
[02:06] <JJtech> lol
[02:06] <RATTTTS> save file as .txt?
[02:06] <NickPresta> RATTTTS, you don't have to have an extension
[02:06] <Daisuke_Laptop> (/usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/apps/kdm/ doesn't exist)
[02:06] <DM|> RATTTTS doesnt need an extension
[02:06] <Dr_willis> RATTTTS,  extensions  are not needed. :) perhaps save it as .run so you rember what it does
[02:06] <RATTTTS> ok kool. hey DM| wats this background sound thing you mentioned?
[02:06] <JJtech> excuse me, how do i install flash player in konqueror??
[02:07] <DM|> RATTTTS a setting in Sound in wow
[02:07] <RATTTTS> ok kool
[02:07] <RATTTTS> ok
[02:07] <RATTTTS> so u mean just press escape in the game and go to the sound options right?
[02:07] <DM|> Ok now to my problem :) hehe , VNC, wont allow me to control the desktop once connected, only view, is there a KDE setting
[02:07] <Tm_T> !flash | JJtech
[02:07] <ubotu> JJtech: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[02:07] <DM|> RATTTTS yes
[02:07] <RATTTTS> ok thanx
[02:08] <Tm_T> RATTTTS: can you set your nick to lowercase?
[02:08] <Tm_T> hmmh
[02:08] <Tm_T> JJtech: ok, you have flash installed?
[02:08] <JJtech> not yeet
[02:09] <JJtech> pls help
[02:09] <Tm_T> JJtech: install kubuntu-restricted-extras package
[02:09] <JJtech> where?
[02:09] <RATTTTS> ok
[02:09] <DM|> Tm_T but you can tab fill his name :P ..... hehe
[02:09] <rattts> there we go
[02:09] <Tm_T> rattts: thanks
[02:09] <Tm_T> DM|: erm?
[02:09] <DM|> Tm_T type ratt and tab, autocompletes the name
[02:10] <Tm_T> DM|: I know
[02:10] <DM|> Tm_T im giving u a hard time :)
[02:10] <Tm_T> JJtech: open konsole and enter "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras"
[02:10] <Tm_T> DM|: I recommend not to
[02:10] <DM|> lol/...
[02:10] <Minataku> Tm_T: Now, now, don't be abusive
[02:10] <rattts> hey DM| i did "chmod +x wowrun" without the quotes...and nothing happened.
[02:10] <Tm_T> Minataku: ?
[02:11] <DM|> rattts usually doesnt give an output
[02:11] <JJtech> ok i'll try
[02:11] <DM|> tm_t just create a launcher in your kmenu (right click, edit menus)
[02:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> rattts: that's a typical thing.  if a command is successful, it probably won't tell you.  if there's an error, it'll let you know
[02:11] <Minataku> Throwing your weight around doesn't look too good
[02:11] <DM|> tm_t mt.
[02:11] <DM|> rattts:  just create a launcher in your kmenu (right click, edit menus)
[02:11] <rattts> ya ok but no double clickable icon popped up on my desktop
[02:11] <JJtech> Tm_T>> with the quotes in it?
[02:11] <rattts> no queotes lol
[02:11] <Minataku> No, no quotes
[02:11] <Tm_T> JJtech: without quotes :)
[02:11] <JJtech> ok
[02:12] <new2kubuntu7> Can anybody remote connect to my desktop and help me fix my windows
[02:12] <Tm_T> no
[02:12] <rattts> can i just do a make file?
[02:12] <Dr_willis> new2kubuntu7,  thats scary in several ways. :)
[02:12] <new2kubuntu7> Dr_willis, lol
[02:13] <Tm_T> new2kubuntu7: try ##windows if you need MS Windows support
[02:13] <new2kubuntu7> Dr_willis, im just seeing what you guys would say lol
[02:13] <DM|> new2kubuntu7: Windows fixing? bleh
[02:13] <JJtech> i typed it already, then it appear: " [sudo] password
[02:13] <Minataku> I have a DOS machine running X Window System :3
[02:13] <Minataku> :D
[02:13] <Minataku> lol
[02:13] <rattts> there is no right click edit menus???
[02:13] <new2kubuntu7> Lol my theme!
[02:13] <new2kubuntu7> not ms windows
[02:13] <new2kubuntu7> lol
[02:13] <Tm_T> JJtech: then enter your password
[02:13] <DM|> rattts Menu editor when u right click on your kemenu
[02:13] <DM|> kmenu
[02:13] <Rukus> so i officially uninstalled the KDE desktop. it made me mad. I went to gnome.
[02:13] <Rukus> so yah
[02:14] <Rukus> nice knowin you all
[02:14] <Tm_T> Rukus: ok
[02:14] <Rukus> thanks for all the help
[02:14] <Rukus> :)
[02:14] <rattts> where is my kmenu?
[02:14] <DM|> Rukus yeah im not likeing KDE right now
[02:14] <JJtech> ok.. done.. i thinks its installing
[02:14] <new2kubuntu7> Rukus: i hate kde!!! grr i love gnome easy!
[02:14] <Tm_T> JJtech: great :)
[02:14] <rattts> im running ubuntu newest version
[02:14] <DM|> rattts that big fat hard to miss K on the kicker bar
[02:14] <Rukus> i went to ubuntu to get away from frills and  bling that made things complicated.
[02:14] <rattts> i have no k lol
[02:14] <Rukus> so i duno why i chose kde
[02:14] <Rukus> gnome is for me
[02:14] <DM|> rattts running KDE right?
[02:14] <rattts> oh ok u  mean the ubuntu icon lol
[02:14] <rattts> gnome
[02:14] <Dr_willis> go run jwm then. :)
[02:14] <Tm_T> Rukus: http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/current.png
[02:15] <DM|> you are in the wrong channel
[02:15] <Minataku> Ugh... GNOME FTL
[02:15] <rattts> lmao
[02:15] <Minataku> Worst. DE. EVER.
[02:15] <DM|> rattts for #kubuntu is for kubuntu support
[02:15] <Minataku> Sorry, had to get that out.
[02:15] <Tm_T> ok
[02:15] <Dr_willis> C64 Geos! :)
[02:15] <rattts> ya i know lol but they are pretty much the same lol
[02:15] <DM|> rattts #ubuntu is for vanilla ubuntu support (gnome by default)
[02:15] <Minataku> Dr_Willis: JWM is awesome
[02:15] <Rukus> gnome, KDE, same thing, Its what YOU make it. both run the same programs, both can look the same, its all the same thing. KDE is a little more user friendly tho.
[02:16] <rattts> you guys are much more help than people on the #ubuntu channel
[02:16] <DM|> rattts not really when u ask a question here, we assume you are running KDE, which can give you different support methods
[02:16] <Minataku> Fluxbox is even better
[02:16] <DM|> rattts im not usually in here..
[02:16] <DM|> : P
[02:16] <Minataku> Actually, DM|, I don't even use *buntu
[02:16] <Minataku> I use Gentoo and NetBSD primarily
[02:16] <rattts> ok i know what you mean but can you guys finish helping me with this. i just  right clicked and opened the menu thing
[02:16] <Rukus> TM _T.  you better get a gf
[02:16] <Tm_T> Rukus: like to join #kubuntu-offtopic ?
[02:17] <DM|> Minataku Well yes but obviously you wouldnt ask a gentoo question here now would u
[02:17] <DM|> who got kicked
[02:17] <rattts> lol can i just make a .bat file and run it with wine?
[02:17] <DM|> oh rukus
[02:17] <DM|> no rattts
[02:17] <Minataku> I can't stand GNOME, I think KDE is bloated and I seriously dislike how Ubuntu dumbs everything down
[02:17] <Minataku> DM|: No, I'm here to provide support
[02:17] <Dr_willis> rattts,  you could of..
[02:17] <DM|> rattts its easy, right click ubuntu icon , edit menu
[02:17] <rattts> ya i am in edit menu but i dont know what to do now?
[02:18] <DM|> Minataku and thats fine and dandy
[02:18] <Tm_T> Minataku: yes, enough
[02:18] <lgkan> any idea how to configure, or what util for a logitech mx4000 will enable the side scroll on the wheel
[02:18] <Minataku> On less of a distro level and more of a Linux level
[02:18] <DM|> rattts select the section you wnat the "shortcut" to go, and click new item, its all very easy, you just have to look
[02:18] <Minataku> Tm_T: I'm allowed to have an opinion
[02:18] <Minataku> Especially since I _DO_ volunteer my time here
[02:18] <angel> alguien que hable español
[02:18] <angel> alguien que hable español
[02:18] <Tm_T> Minataku: you are, but take that to offtopic please
[02:18] <Minataku> angel #kubuntu-es
[02:18] <DM|> Minataku you are, but not in here lol
[02:19] <Minataku> DM|: It would seem so
[02:19] <DM|> Minataku : )
[02:19] <Minataku> Someone hoisted the USSR flag, it seems
[02:19] <DM|> Careful
[02:19] <Minataku> No opinions. Follow the state.
[02:19] <Minataku> :P
[02:19] <Minataku> I did explicitly avoid a certain flag
[02:20] <Minataku> I'm never gonna go there
[02:20] <Azzco> Still off-topic ;)
[02:20] <Dr_willis> its off topic tobe talking about offtopic!
[02:20] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:20] <Minataku> Haha
[02:21] <DM|> VNC, I can connect to my KDE desktop and view it but not control it, is there a setting im missing
[02:21] <DM|> Im new to KDE
[02:21] <Minataku> !vnc
[02:21] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[02:21] <Dr_willis> DM|,  may want to check  http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdenetwork/krdc/using-krdc.html
[02:21] <JJtech> Tm_T> ldconfig deffered processing now taking place.. what shud i do?
[02:21] <Minataku> Oh, yeah, I forgot there's yet another stupid KDE reimplementation for VNC, as well
[02:21] <DM|> Dr_willis im using xtightvncviewer not rdesktop
[02:22] <rattts> ok thank for all your support people. one more question...i crtl+alt+"right arrow key" out of wow and wow dissapeared? wats up with that?
[02:22] <Tm_T> JJtech: wait
[02:22] <Minataku> Try the Ubuntu link from the bot
[02:22] <DM|> rattts press alt cntl <opposite key> to get back
[02:22] <Dr_willis> DM|,  you need to check the  kddc settings that are shareing the desktop i guess..  thats why i mentioned that site
[02:22] <DM|> JJtech wait it out, its working. the hamsters are on their wheels
[02:22] <rattts> i did. i went to all 4 of my desktops and wow is gone lol
[02:22] <rattts> i think it closed
[02:22] <JJtech> ok
[02:23] <JJtech> is it ok if i type help in konsole?
[02:23] <DM|> rattts running compiz?
[02:23] <Minataku> rattts: Open a terminal and type ps -ax
[02:23] <Minataku> Then look for it
[02:23] <DM|> Dr_Willis kddc?
[02:23] <Minataku> If it IS still running, it's likely you'll have to close it manually
[02:23] <rattts> yes im running compiz..unfortunately i can turn my screen into a cube for some odd reason
[02:23] <Dr_willis> DM|,  krdc
[02:23] <Minataku> He meant krdc
[02:23] <rattts> cant*
[02:23] <Minataku> The stupid KDE reimplementation of VNC
[02:24] <DM|> Dr_Willis KDE is the server not the client
[02:24] <rattts> wat does ps -ax do?
[02:24] <Dr_willis> DM|,  and yes.. you need to be sure the SERVER is not set to 'read only' type mode.
[02:24] <Minataku> KDE seems to love taking things that exist and work excellently and making idiotic, broken reimplementations of them for no good reason
[02:24] <DM|> rattts dont worry about that,
[02:24] <rattts> ok
[02:24] <Minataku> rattts: It'll list all running processes
[02:24] <Minataku> DM|: Don't horn in on my assist
[02:24] <DM|> rattts if  you are running compiz it clears the wow screen, shut it down and restart wow,, DO NOT RUN COMPIZ WHILE PLAYING WOW IN FULL SCREEN MODE
[02:25] <rattts> hey, does linux have a ctrl+alt+delete windows equivalent...i like being able to manage my processes
[02:25] <Minataku> I'm trying to get him to see if WoW did indeed stop running
[02:25] <DM|> Minataku he has no need for that, thats not the problem
[02:25] <rattts> ok
[02:25] <Minataku> Ah
[02:25] <Minataku> Sorry then, DM|
[02:25] <DM|> Minataku its ok, i wasnt calling you out about it, just trying to help
[02:25] <Minataku> I thought you were just trying to push me aside
[02:25] <Minataku> lol
[02:25] <rattts> how do i shut compiz down again its been  a while since i installed it and i forgot how?
[02:25] <Minataku> Still, sorry, DM| :)
[02:25] <DM|> rattts alt F2, then metacity --replace
[02:25] <DM|> : )
[02:26]  * Minataku shudders
[02:26] <DM|> rattts to run compiz again, AlT f2 "compiz --replace"
[02:26] <Minataku> Ugh... metacity
[02:26] <rattts> so in alt f2 i type in "metacity --replace"
[02:26] <rattts> ok thanx
[02:26] <DM|> Minataku i prefer it, but this is not the place to discus it
[02:26] <Minataku> Discus!
[02:26] <DM|> lol
[02:26]  * Minataku pulls out a frisbee and wags his fox tails
[02:26] <Minataku> :D
[02:26] <Minataku> XD
[02:27] <DM|> grr this vnc is making me want to scream
[02:27] <Minataku> Spelling errors can be fun. :)
[02:27] <Minataku> Did you check the link from ubotu?
[02:27] <Minataku> !vnc
[02:27] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[02:27] <Minataku> It might have something that'll help
[02:27] <rattts> ok umm in gnome, i have 4 desktop icons i can ctrl+alt+"right or left" into...when i do metacity replace i only have 2, how do i make 4?
[02:28] <DM|> The thing is Minataku i can connect... but it doesnt allow me to move windows, only view
[02:28] <Minataku> rattts: Well, when a male desktop icon and a female desktop icon love each other...
[02:28] <Minataku> j/k
[02:28] <Minataku> XD
[02:28] <stdin> rattts: you know where to go for gnome support...
[02:28] <rattts> lol i fixed it nvm
[02:28] <Minataku> DM|: There's no extra info there?
[02:28] <rattts> thank for all the help
[02:28] <rattts> im logging out now cya guys
[02:28] <Minataku> Later
[02:29] <JJtech> Tm_T> uhhmm, my konsole here is still.. nothing happens.. shud i close it?
[02:29] <Minataku> DM|: Hm. Perplexing problem.
[02:29] <Minataku> Unfortunately, I've never used VNC.
[02:29] <Tm_T> JJtech: not yet, it installed and doesn't show any error?
[02:29] <Minataku> So I can't really help
[02:29] <JJtech> no error
[02:29] <Rukus> whats the best way to reinstall the KDE desktop back? aptitude install kubuntu-desktop ?
[02:29] <DM|> Minataku yes, GNOME worked fine when i set it up the same method on a diff computer, it seems its KDE
[02:29] <Tm_T> JJtech: yay! lovely :)
[02:29] <Tm_T> Rukus: that
[02:29] <Rukus> ok
[02:29] <JJtech> but still i can't watch video at youtube
[02:29] <Rukus> thx
[02:30] <Tm_T> JJtech: now, open Konqueror, settings -> configure -> plugins
[02:30] <Minataku> Hm
[02:30] <JJtech> ok..i'll try
[02:31] <Minataku> To think, if you'd just used Firefox, you'd have been vegging out on YouTube videos hours ago
[02:31] <Minataku> :P
[02:31] <Dr_willis> I start the kde desktop with the SystemSettings->shareing-> Desktop, and start a inviatiation, then i run vncviewer IP.it.says:#itsays and then when it connects it ASKS if i want the client to have read only access or not.  - Interesting way to do it.
[02:32] <Dr_willis> its not a good idea to share the current desktop and view it at the same time in vnc viewer.. :) it was sort of like having 2 mirrors faceing each other effect. heh.
[02:32] <Minataku> When I'm doing cross-network dealings, I usually just use X tunneling over SSH
[02:32] <Tm_T> JJtech: there's "scan new plugins" button to hit
[02:32] <Minataku> Which takes away the need to constantly retransmit an entire screen
[02:32] <JJtech> Tm_T> ok
[02:33] <JJtech> Tm_T> then?
[02:33] <JJtech> i hit the scan button
[02:33] <Tm_T> yes, when it have done the scan
[02:33] <Tm_T> see the next tab
[02:33] <Tm_T> if you find any flash related there, you're done
[02:34] <DM|> Minataku nope nothing in that helps
[02:34] <JJtech> not a thing
[02:34] <ratttts> hey DM| sound doesnt work on wow lol. i did the enable background sound thing but nothing happened
[02:34] <DM|> ratttts: again check out the link i gave you
[02:34] <Tm_T> JJtech: hmm?
[02:35] <ratttts> ok
[02:36] <Tm_T> JJtech: back to konsole
[02:36] <Tm_T> JJtech: "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree"
[02:37] <Tm_T> JJtech: and uhm, ->
[02:37] <Rukus> TM_T is that the proper way to make flash work under amd64? is to install that?
[02:37] <ardchoille> Tm_T: apt-cache search "uhm"  didn't return anything
[02:37]  * ardchoille hides
[02:37] <Tm_T> Rukus: no idea, I have never used 64bit system
[02:38] <Rukus> oh ok
[02:38] <Rukus> thanks anyways
[02:40] <DM|> oy this is really stinkin, VNC wont allow me to control the deskto
[02:40] <Dr_willis> DM|,  when i connected KDE poped up a dialog that had a checkbox to allow the remote user to controll the desktop or not.
[02:40] <windswept> hello
[02:41] <Dr_willis> it also randomly generated a password.. which i found annoying. :) but i rarely use that method.
[02:41] <guhhh> is there any way that i can recover my system? its all messed up!
[02:41] <windswept> how do I start the installer from the live cd.
[02:42] <Tm_T> windswept: it's in desktop, icon?
[02:42] <ardchoille> guhhh: You're going to have to narrow it down a little more than that
[02:42] <ardchoille> windswept: There should be an icon on the desktop
[02:42] <windswept> tim, no icon...
[02:42] <Minataku> Woohoo! I fixed the no-mouse problem in DESQview/X :D
[02:43] <DM|> Dr_willis lol now its just straight up refusing connections
[02:43] <Minataku> I had to load a DOS mouse driver first
[02:43] <Minataku> Hooray for CuteMouse :D
[02:43] <rdvon> where can I download a debian file of the purple plugin pack for pidgin?
[02:43] <windswept> also, the machine currently has a version of ubuntu on it which I want to blow away. (sort of)
[02:43] <Dr_willis> DM|,  im testing this on a single machine using localhost as my ip:
[02:43] <ardchoille> windswept: alt+f2, type in "ubiquity" (no quotes)
[02:43] <Dr_willis> DM|,  i enabled the uninvited connections, and the allow uninvited connections to controll.
[02:44] <windswept> ardchoflle
[02:44] <windswept> thanks
[02:44] <ardchoille> yw
[02:44] <Dr_willis> now when i 'vncviewer localhost:0' i get a dialog that  confirms it. then it works.
[02:44] <Minataku> That's rather dangerous, though
[02:44] <lovre> does any1 know if i can send SMS messages over internet by some free gateway? Im trying to write an application that would send SMS' to my phone when im away from computer.. is this possible?
[02:45] <lovre> sorry for OT
[02:45] <Minataku> Unless you're sure that it can't get out over the network
[02:45] <rdvon> !pastebin
[02:45] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:46] <guhhh> if my system is lost, what should i copy to make a backup? /usr /var /etc /home ....?
[02:46] <DM|> Dr_willis thats weird, works now.. i didnt change anything
[02:46] <rdvon> I'm trying to compile pidgin.. running ./configure worked and it said to type "make".. So I did and this happens:
[02:46] <rdvon> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45527/
[02:46] <ardchoille> Is kwrite not in the kmenu at all?
[02:47] <DM|> Dr_willis lol it crashed
[02:47] <Dr_willis> DM|,  dont forget the 'apply button' at the bottom. :)
[02:47] <Dr_willis> DM|,  now ya know why i normally SSH into a box. and run vncserver  with a real light window manager,
[02:47] <DM|> lol i did
[02:47] <DM|> Dr_willis aye... lol its sad
[02:47] <ardchoille> Is kwrite only a shell that uses the kde text editor component?
[02:47] <Dr_willis> ive noticed a lot of the KDE control center panels. get sized where the buttons are not seen
[02:48] <DM|> Dr_willis KDE is so heavy
[02:48] <Minataku> And GNOME is so ugly
[02:48] <Minataku> lol
[02:48] <Dr_willis> DM|,  i perfer the manual way. :) i keep icewm going (or jwm) and just a few apps that i always want running.
[02:48] <Minataku> Sorry XD
[02:48] <DM|> ssh for the win
[02:48] <Rukus> 41 minutes to back up a DVD so far
[02:48] <Minataku> Fluxbox is both very light and featureful
[02:48] <Rukus> wow
[02:48] <rdvon> Help plz.... :'(
[02:49] <DM|> rdvon ask the question, dont ask for help
[02:49] <rdvon> I asked it. >.>
[02:49] <Rukus> we missed it
[02:49] <Rukus> ask again
[02:49] <ardchoille> rdvon: Is there some reason you're compiling instead of using the one in the repos?
[02:49] <Minataku> No
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> ardchoille: pretty much
[02:49] <DM|> rdvon sudo apt-get install pidgin
[02:50] <rdvon> Not pidgin >.>
[02:50] <Minataku> You don't have to ask again, we can just scroll (or look) up
[02:50] <rdvon> the pidgin plugin pack
[02:50] <rdvon> I meant the plugin pack.
[02:50] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[02:50] <DM|> Dr_willis anyway to scale down the effects and stuff so my VNC is faster
[02:51] <ardchoille> rdvon: That amke file is messed up
[02:51] <ardchoille> rdvon:  in "rm -f $file &&  -o $file en_AU.po"  That "-o" is an argument that is missing a command
[02:51] <Minataku> lol
[02:52] <ardchoille> rdvon: That's the reason for the "/bin/sh: -o: not found" error
[02:52] <Downix> ok, I ran cedega no problem yesterday, but today after update, the graphics driver for my nvidia no longer seem to handle 3D at all
[02:52] <Dr_willis> DM|,  use a lighter window manager/desktop. :) disable wallpaper. disable fancy themes, eyecandy, other stuff...
[02:53] <Minataku> I highly recommend Fluxbox
[02:53] <Dr_willis> DM|,  of course you will be turning them off on your main desktop as well..
[02:53]  * Dr_willis highly reccomends jwm
[02:53] <Dr_willis> :P
[02:53] <Minataku> It's extremely featureful while also being extremely light
[02:53] <Minataku> He IS replacing this on his MAIN DESKTOP
[02:53] <Dr_willis> It's extremely featureful while also being extremely lighter. :)
[02:53]  * ardchoille looks up jwm
[02:53] <Minataku> JWM is a bit light for that
[02:53] <DM|> Minataku Fluxbox is too simplistic for me, i find it ugly, thats why im trying KDE
[02:53] <rdvon> I use compiz fusion with a nice vista-ish style theme.
[02:53] <rdvon> Flame effects optional.
[02:54] <rdvon> ;)
[02:54] <Dr_willis> KDE + VNC = proberly going to be slow no matter what.
[02:54] <Minataku> Then forget about ever using VNC
[02:54] <DM|> thats what im fearing
[02:54] <DM|> im using ssh mostly
[02:54]  * BonesolTeraDyne perfers afterstep for a light desktop
[02:54] <Dr_willis> now freenx might be a little better.
[02:54] <DM|> and running apps through ssh
[02:54] <DM|> freenx doesnt have resumable sessions, or i havent found out how to do it
[02:55] <Dr_willis> never noticed. :) never used freenx actually. Last i looked there was some bugs with it and gutsy.
[02:55] <rdvon> I'm still getting the same compile error >.>
[02:55] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: jwm reminds me of icewm
[02:55] <DM|> Dr_willis worked fine for me under gnome
[02:55] <Dr_willis> ardchoille,  its lighter :) its about as basic as one can get and still have  a start button.
[02:55] <NickPresta> rdvon, the makefiles created for my system didn't have errors in them. I don't know what to tell you
[02:56] <rdvon> archdoille: so how do i fix the make file?
[02:56] <NickPresta> I just compiled the plugin pack
[02:56] <Minataku> Yeah, jwm is incredibly light and very nice
[02:56] <johndavid> any know how to install n1 mimo wireless card driver on xubuntu?
[02:56] <rdvon> I just got downloaded and configured again.
[02:56] <rdvon> same error.
[02:56] <Dr_willis> jwm does have some issues with twinview/dual monitors however.
[02:56] <Minataku> But it's a little too light IMO for standard use
[02:56] <ardchoille> rdvon: I'd contact the developer and ask him/her. You're going to have to, cuz it's simply not gonna work as it.
[02:56] <Dr_willis>  I use it for vnc. and my mythtv box desktop.
[02:56] <Minataku> It's good for very tight systems
[02:57] <rdvon> ardchoille: is there a .deb file I could use :'(
[02:57] <ratttts> whats a good media player for linux?
[02:57] <ratttts> for music
[02:57] <rdvon> rattts: amarok
[02:57] <DM|> rythymbox i like
[02:57] <Minataku> But I prefer to step up to Fluxbox for capable systems
[02:57] <Minataku> Like Piyoko
[02:57] <rdvon> Amarok! :)
[02:57] <Minataku> ratttts: Audacious
[02:57] <ratttts> wow a big mix lol
[02:57] <Dr_willis> ratttts,  amarok. bmpx, songbird.
[02:57] <rdvon> Of course, songbird.
[02:57] <ardchoille> rdvon: Be careful with .deb's, find one made for Ubuntu, don't use one made for another distro cuz that's a bad idea.
[02:57] <Minataku> Definitely use Audaciots
[02:57] <Dr_willis> songbird is getting better all the time. :)
[02:57] <DM|> Dr_willis they finally fix songbird of all the bugs and crashes?
[02:57] <Minataku> *Audacious
[02:57] <johndavid> anyone know how to run ndis wrapper?
[02:57] <ratttts> honestly. which one is lightly packaged and easy to use
[02:57] <Minataku> ratttts: Audacious.
[02:57] <Dr_willis> DM|,  havent seen it crash on me lately.  they di release a new version last week
[02:57] <rdvon> ardchoille: could you send me a precompiled .deb... plz... :'(
[02:58] <Minataku> Ever use XMMS?
[02:58] <DM|> rattts if you use gnome, just use rythmbox
[02:58] <ratttts> ok thanks ill give it a try
[02:58] <BonesolTeraDyne> rdvon: songbird... heh, I forgot about that thing.
[02:58] <Downix> anyone know why an update of the system would cause 3D to fail?
[02:58] <Minataku> Audacious is pretty much the exact same
[02:58] <rdvon> rattts: no no no. use amarok
[02:58] <rdvon> ;)
[02:58] <ardchoille> rdvon: I don't have one
[02:58]  * BonesolTeraDyne goes off to get the latest version
[02:58] <Dr_willis> !info bmpx
[02:58] <ubotu> bmpx: Beep Media Player eXperimental. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.40.0~rc3-1build1 (gutsy), package size 2999 kB, installed size 9264 kB
[02:58] <DM|> lol
[02:58] <Minataku> So if you've ever used Winamp then you'll be comfortable with Audacious, too
[02:58] <rdvon> ardchoille: could you compile quickly.. only takes a sec :'(
[02:58] <DM|> i sense "brand" loyalty here
[02:58] <Minataku> Plus, I know a developer of it
[02:58] <ratttts> ok ya i used winamp
[02:58] <ardchoille> rdvon: And I don't compile. If it isn't in the repos, I don't use it :)
[02:58] <Minataku> So if you have problems, I can bug him for you
[02:58] <ratttts> ill try audacious first
[02:58] <Minataku> lol
[02:59] <Minataku> j/k, but you can always report any bugs, of course
[02:59] <Minataku> :D
[02:59] <rdvon> If rattts doesn't want access to an extensive script collection which you can download within amaroK then sure. go with the other ones :P
[02:59] <Minataku> Victory is mine!
[02:59] <Minataku> rdvon: Useless waste
[02:59] <Minataku> He's already not using KDE because it's a bloated pile
[02:59] <Dr_willis> we all need 1000+ scripts to paste what we are listing to - into irc.
[02:59] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:59] <ratttts> wats that command to completely remove somethign asgain?..i know it has the word purge in it
[02:59] <DM|> Dr_willis omfg, i cant reboot the computer and connect via VNC
[02:59] <Minataku> It's just purge
[02:59] <rdvon> Minataku: well... fine... But everyone I'm talking to on pidgin knows what I'm listening to via the pidgin plugin :P
[02:59] <Minataku> You need to make it a switch, though
[03:00] <Dr_willis> DM|,  Now you get to learn 'trouble shooting 101' skills. :)
[03:00] <ratttts> no lol its not purge
[03:00] <flaccid> kopete can do that too
[03:00] <Minataku> rdvon: Those scripts are incredibly annoying and also banned most places
[03:00] <DM|> Dr_willis im just tired, its KDE's problem
[03:00] <ratttts> its some long command to completely remove something
[03:00] <rdvon> Minakatu: For im. Not on irc.
[03:00] <rdvon> That'd be annoying >.>
[03:00] <Minataku> I don't even use IM, thankfully
[03:00] <DM|> Dr_willis KDE have an XDMCP option?
[03:00] <Minataku> Considering IM is already annoying enough
[03:00] <Tm_T> DM|: IIRC has already
[03:00] <flaccid> xorg has xdmcp
[03:00] <rdvon> Minataku: IM is the greatest thing on earth.
[03:00] <flaccid> !xdmcp
[03:00] <ratttts> ok let me ask it this way, what do you guys type in the termianl to completely remove some software you have installed?
[03:01] <ubotu> xdmcp is the X Display Manger Control Protocol -- look at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO/ to find out how to configure it
[03:01] <Minataku> rdvon: The crap it is
[03:01] <ratttts> ok let me ask it this way, what do you guys type in the termianl to completely remove some software you have installed?
[03:01] <Minataku> It's as bad as cell phones
[03:01] <flaccid> also stuff on xdcmp/think client on the ubuntu wiki
[03:01] <NickPresta> rdvon, I created a deb using checkinstall. I can't promise you it will work on your system but I suppose it's worth a short?
[03:01] <Tm_T> Minataku: rdvon: offtopic
[03:01] <NickPresta> s/short/shot
[03:01] <Minataku> ratttts: emerge --remove packagename
[03:01] <rdvon> Could someone *please* compile this for me. :'(
[03:01] <rdvon> http://downloads.guifications.org/plugins//Plugin%20Pack/purple-plugin_pack-2.2.0.tar.gz
[03:01] <BonesolTeraDyne> Ok, that's annoying. Konqueror just decided that blogger.com doesn't need a working editor, and now the page is non-functional.
[03:01] <Minataku> But that won't work for you
[03:01] <Minataku> lol
[03:01] <rdvon> and make a .deb
[03:01] <rdvon> :(
[03:01] <DM|> flaccid looks like i have to install gdm :P
[03:01] <NickPresta> rdvon, look at my messages above
[03:01] <rdvon> Oh thanks nic.
[03:01] <rdvon> *nick
[03:02] <ardchoille> rdvon: If that make file is corrupt, no one else will be able to compile it either
[03:02] <flaccid> DM|: you don't have to use gdm, i guess that was what the guide was written for.. you can use kdm
[03:02] <NickPresta> rdvon, meet me in #kubuntu-offtopic for the deb/information
[03:02] <NickPresta> ardchoille, I just compiled it just fine on my system
[03:03] <Minataku> ardchoille: It's "makefile"
[03:03] <Minataku> No space
[03:03] <DM|> flaccid that guide isnt written for ubuntu
[03:03] <coreymon77> hey guys
[03:03] <flaccid> DM|: the one on the ubuntu wiki is
[03:03] <coreymon77> i have a computer on a livecd
[03:03] <ardchoille> I wasn't aware the phonics police were here
[03:03] <Minataku> ardchoille: There's a big difference
[03:03] <husni> hye
[03:03] <coreymon77> and im trying to mount a osx drive
[03:03] <DM|> flaccid it linked me a tldp.org
[03:03] <Minataku> Namely, if you add a space, it doesn't work right
[03:04] <coreymon77> its giving me the error that its not in fstab
[03:04] <flaccid> ubuntu wiki is a good place to search for anything you need to do. if its not there add it after you have done it :0
[03:04] <flaccid> DM|: search the wiki...
[03:04] <DM|> I am
[03:04] <ardchoille> Minataku: Worked quite well for me, I added a space and irssi posted the sentence :P
[03:04] <coreymon77> how would i go about puting the right information in fstab in order to mount the drive
[03:04] <Minataku> ardchoille: Try naming it "make file" in your next programming project
[03:04] <Minataku> It'll fail without specific instructions to make
[03:05] <Tm_T> Minataku: and you can stop that offtopicing
[03:05] <Minataku> At which point you're just being stupid
[03:05] <ardchoille> !coc | Minataku
[03:05] <ubotu> Minataku: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[03:06] <Minataku> Uh, if you named it "make file" in your project, that would be stupid.  :P
[03:06] <Tm_T> nobody isn't renaming anything so stop it
[03:08] <Minataku> Sorry, as an engineer, if it's not correct within reasonable tolerance, it's wrong.
[03:08] <DM|> well we arent engineers
[03:08] <rdvon> Thanks for your help everyone.
[03:08] <rdvon> the 8ball loves you all.
[03:08] <DM|> rdvon : )
[03:08] <rdvon> The Purple 8 Ball says:  It's possible
[03:08] <Minataku> Haha
[03:09] <ardchoille> I love tose things
[03:09] <rdvon> ;)
[03:09] <Minataku> I had a real one, but it broke
[03:09] <Minataku> Out of nowhere it started leaking :(
[03:09] <rdvon> :(
[03:09] <DM|> Dr_willis my only solution ... auto login
[03:09] <Minataku> Cheap plastic 8ball
[03:10] <coreymon77> so, can anyone help me mount a ppc osx drive on a dapper livecd?
[03:10] <rdvon> The Purple 8 Ball says:  Certainly
[03:10] <rdvon> XD
[03:10] <Minataku> lol
[03:11] <ardchoille> rdvon: lol
[03:11] <Minataku> Dr_Willis left
[03:11] <coreymon77> please, this is an emergency
[03:11] <Minataku> coreymon77: It uses the Apple Partitioning Scheme
[03:11] <coreymon77> Minataku: so, what do i put in fstab?
[03:11] <Minataku> Is this on a PPC machine or an X86 machine?
[03:12] <BonesolTeraDyne> Minataku: he\she said PPC
[03:12] <Minataku> Well, when you look in /dev, you should see partition entries there
[03:12] <Minataku> BonesolTeraDyne: I can take a harddrive out of a PPC machine and put it into an x86 machine
[03:12] <Minataku> It'll still use whatever scheme it used in the old machine
[03:13] <Minataku> coreymon77: One of those entries will probably be the partition you're looking for
[03:13] <BonesolTeraDyne> Minataku: ? Wha? I answered your question...
[03:13] <coreymon77> Minataku: i know the partition
[03:13] <Minataku> BonesolTeraDyne: An HDD from a PPC Mac can be put into an x86 PC
[03:13] <DM|> later all
[03:14] <coreymon77> Minataku: thats not the point
[03:14] <coreymon77> Minataku: its a laptop
[03:14] <coreymon77> Minataku: and the partition is hda3
[03:14] <Minataku> coreymon77: What filesystem did you use?
[03:14] <BonesolTeraDyne> Minataku: That's a given, but I was just answering your question on what coreymon said.
[03:14] <coreymon77> Minataku: i still need to know what to put in fstab
[03:14] <Minataku> HFS+ ?
[03:14] <Minataku> UFS?
[03:14] <coreymon77> Minataku: whatever was the default
[03:14] <coreymon77> Minataku: because its my moms computer
[03:14] <Minataku> I don't know what that is
[03:14] <coreymon77> Minataku: and she wouldnt do anything out of the ordinary
[03:14] <Minataku> We'll try both then
[03:15] <coreymon77> Minataku: any way to find out, with konsole maybe
[03:15] <Minataku> Yes, you can try file -zrks /dev/hda3
[03:15] <Minataku> That SHOULD read the fs and give the report
[03:16] <Minataku> If it's HFS+, it should be easy
[03:16] <Minataku> If it's UFS, it may be impossible
[03:16] <rattts> hey people.  i have compiz installed. why wont a cube desktop show up?
[03:16] <Minataku> First, you can try seeing if the kernel can figure it out
[03:17] <Minataku> Just type "sudo mount /dev/hda3 /<someemptydirectory>"
[03:17] <stdin> rattts: 1) you have to activate that plugin, 2) support in #compiz-fustion
[03:17] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. My HD just did a  backflip on me.. AGAIN.. weird
[03:17] <Dr_willis> ata2.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x0
[03:17] <Minataku> If it fails, it'll complain and we'll be a bit stuck
[03:17] <Dr_willis> :)at elast i got some error messages however
[03:17] <Minataku> Heh
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> rattts: install ccsm
[03:18] <Minataku> Too bad they're practically useless
[03:18] <coreymon77> Minataku: heres what it says
[03:18] <r_> Anyone figure out how to move widgets? I can only rotate them...
[03:18] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: check the cables?
[03:18] <coreymon77>  /dev/hda3: writable, no read permission
[03:18] <Dr_willis> res 51/40:00:9d:f1:60/00:00:00:00:00/e2 Emask 0x9 (media error) - Hmm so 0 is this a sign that my hd is getting ready to die a big death?
[03:19] <Minataku> coreymon77: Do it with sudo then
[03:19] <stdin> r_: kde4 support in #kde4-devel
[03:19] <Dr_willis> DaSkreech,  i will do that in a min. Its sata.. Hmm.. could be the cable is pinched i guess.
[03:19] <Minataku> Dr_Willis: Ah, that's a better error
[03:19] <Minataku> And it could very well be on it's way out
[03:20] <coreymon77> Minataku: Macintosh HFS Extended version 4
[03:20] <Minataku> Oooooh
[03:20] <Dr_willis> Hmm. i hope not - its a fairly new 500gb hd. :)
[03:20] <bmk789> i need a good program that will do RSS, podcasts, and video podcasts all together, is there something good like this
[03:20] <Dr_willis>   well be back in a little bit.
[03:20] <bmk789> like miro + rss feeds
[03:20] <Minataku> Now, to see if the kernel supports HFS+
[03:20] <Minataku> Or if you need a userland tool
[03:21] <coreymon77> Minataku: i dont need anything complicated
[03:21] <coreymon77> Minataku: i just need a way to get the data from the hd
[03:21] <stdin> Minataku: CONFIG_HFSPLUS_FS=m     (from "grep HFS /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic")
[03:21] <Minataku> Okay
[03:21] <Minataku> In that case
[03:21] <coreymon77> stdin: this is a dapper livecd though
[03:21] <coreymon77> stdin: does it use the same kernel?
[03:22] <stdin> hmm, nope
[03:22] <stdin> let me see if i can find out if dapper has it...
[03:22] <Minataku> coreymon77: sudo mount -t hfsplus /dev/hda3 /<emptydirectoryasmountpoint>
[03:22] <Minataku> Or try that
[03:22] <guhhh> im having problems with permissions in the compromised system... is there any way i can copy the files that im having permissions problems to copy?
[03:22] <Minataku> If it fails, then you're up crap creek :\
[03:23] <stdin> coreymon77: what kernel version do you have>
[03:23] <Minataku> BTW: HFS is a pain in the ass with it's dual fork system
[03:23] <Minataku> You'll probably have to do some crazy crap to get the data correctly
[03:23] <coreymon77> stdin: 2.6.15-26-powerpc
[03:23] <Minataku> I.E. the data forks and not the resource forks
[03:23] <coreymon77> Minataku: well that may be, but it doesnt matter now
[03:23] <Minataku> Of course, the Mac will require both
[03:24] <DaSkreech> guhhh: sudo ?
[03:24] <Minataku> Because Macs frickin' suck ass in that kind of way
[03:24] <coreymon77> Minataku: thats not the point!
[03:24] <Tm_T> !ohmy | Minataku
[03:24] <Minataku> I gave you the command
[03:24] <Minataku> Try it already
[03:24] <mneptok> Minataku: teh Nac no longer uses resource and data forks.
[03:24] <Minataku> Tm_T: "Ass" is not a swear word anymore
[03:25] <mneptok> *the
[03:25] <ubotu> Minataku: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[03:25] <Minataku> Come back to 2007 from 1950
[03:25] <coreymon77> stdin: will it work?
[03:25] <stdin> Minataku: don't be rude
[03:25] <Minataku> mneptok: It does if it uses HFS+
[03:25] <stdin> coreymon77: looking
[03:25] <mneptok> Minataku: no, it doesn't
[03:25] <Minataku> Which I believe is still an option
[03:25] <Minataku> Funny, since the dual forks is what HFS is MADE FOR
[03:26] <mneptok> Minataku: HFS and HFS+ both support forks, but only Classic MacOS uses them
[03:26] <Minataku> coreymon77: You can try typing the damn command and seeing if it will
[03:26] <Minataku> But if you don't actually want any help, then that's fine too
[03:26] <guhhh> DaSkreech: no, im trying with k3b
[03:26] <stdin> coreymon77: yeah, same config as the newer kernels
[03:26] <coreymon77> stdin: thanks
[03:26] <Minataku> You can scroll up to find it. I don't care to repeat it.
[03:27] <Minataku> In fact, I'm done for tonight.
[03:27] <Minataku> Y'all can help yourselves.
[03:27]  * Minataku walks off
[03:27]  * mneptok laughs
[03:28] <stdin> Minataku: as a warning, behave or don't speak
[03:28] <Minataku> I already said I'm done
[03:29] <mneptok> and yet there you are.
[03:29] <Minataku> My apologies for my behavior, but I'm rather frustrated
[03:29] <mneptok> this planet has that effect on people.
[03:29] <Minataku> So I'm stepping back
[03:29]  * genii hands Minataku a soothing coffee
[03:30]  * Minataku downs it in one gulp
[03:30] <Minataku> lol
[03:30] <Minataku> Thanks XD
[03:30] <DaSkreech> guhhh: I don't know waht the problem space is
[03:30]  * mneptok hands Minataku a soothing metadone prescription and a copy of Dom Giampolo's "FS Design With The Be Filesystem"
[03:30] <mneptok> +h
[03:30] <Minataku> lol
[03:31]  * Minataku shreds the perscription and just reads the book
[03:31] <genii> heh I have a book like that
[03:31] <mneptok> good read. Dom's at Apple now.
[03:31] <Minataku> I'm not a big drug guy
[03:31] <mneptok> and probably more frustrated than you ;)
[03:31] <Minataku> Only what I'm perscribed by an actual doctor
[03:32] <Minataku> lol
[03:32] <Minataku> If he's at Apple, he must be
[03:32] <Minataku> He lost his GOOD job because of them
[03:32] <Minataku> Now he's a slave there instead
[03:32] <coreymon77> YES!
[03:32] <ardchoille> coreymon77: It works?
[03:32] <mneptok> it's more what he wants to do for Apple vs. what The Steve wants him to do for Apple
[03:32] <Minataku> coreymon77: You'd have been saying that 15 minutes ago if you had tried the command when I gave it to you
[03:33] <mneptok> Minataku: don't make me shove you out the airlock
[03:33]  * mneptok *raar*s halfheartedly
[03:33] <Minataku> Hey, I have a point, don't I? :P
[03:33] <nosrednaekim> Minataku: you sound like my little bro..
[03:33] <mneptok> yes. sadly, at the moment, it's at the top of your head. :P
[03:33]  * genii examines Minataku's pointiness
[03:33] <genii> ;)
[03:34] <Dr_willis> Perverts! :)
[03:34]  * BluesKaj doesn't see the point ...of the discussion
[03:34] <Dr_willis> well backing up stuff off this hd.. befor it dies..
[03:34] <Dr_willis> BluesKaj,  its like a Broken Pencil.
[03:34] <Tm_T> !offtopic
[03:34] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[03:34] <Minataku> I gave him the command, and he chose to ignore it. The worst that would have happened if he had typed it and there had NOT been HFS+ support would have been an error.
[03:35] <Minataku> Sorry, but that is one of my all time buttons, being ignored when I'm helping someone
[03:35] <Minataku> You push that one, and I'm over the edge
[03:35] <Dr_willis> Huh? did you say somthing? :P
[03:35] <BluesKaj> give the guy a medal or somebody pat him on the back or something :)
[03:36] <Minataku> It's really the utmost in disrespect, as if my help isn't good enough or something
[03:37] <stdin> Minataku: regardless of others behaviour, it's not an excuse to mirror it. just rise above it and relax
[03:37] <Minataku> Sorry, but when I'm disrespected, I don't feel much like giving respect back
[03:38] <stdin> then respect the channel if not the user you're helping
[03:38] <stdin> (and the other users in the channel)
[03:38] <Minataku> Either way, I'm sorry for getting out of hand
[03:38] <stdin> ok, forgiven :)
[03:38] <Minataku> I'm sure you've had times like this :P
[03:38] <Minataku> I just don't tend to handle them as well as others. XD
[03:39] <DaSkreech> Minataku: Coffee?
[03:39] <Minataku> Don't drink it
[03:39] <Minataku> Caffiene has no effect on me anyway
[03:39] <stdin> I compile something when I'm upset, like the kernel or something. when it's done I'm too tired to be angry :p
[03:39] <DaSkreech> !coffee
[03:39] <ubotu> coffee is a caffeinated beverage made by filtering water through ground up roasted beans of the coffee plant. Flavouring to taste such as milk or cream, sugar or sweetener are often added afterwards. Not to be confused with !java
[03:39] <genii> DaSkreech: :)
[03:40] <Minataku> Everything I tried to compile today failed and pissed me off. XD
[03:40] <genii> tm_t added !coffee for me today
[03:40] <stdin> Minataku: that's why the gnu folk added the "rm" command
[03:40] <angel> XD
[03:41] <biovore> rm -- remove microsoft :-P
[03:41] <Minataku> Yeah, but using it in that case is admitting failure :P
[03:41] <stdin> biovore: no, that's mkfs :p
[03:41] <Tm_T> yes yes
[03:41] <Tm_T> Minataku: no reason to misbehaviour
[03:41] <Minataku> We already established that
[03:41] <DaSkreech> Hey
[03:41] <NickPresta> there needs to be a "simulate" option for `rm`. Doing something like `rm -rfs /*` when I'm upset with my computer would make me feel better =D
[03:41] <Tm_T> yup yup
[03:41] <DaSkreech> if you had a blank file system what would you need to add to it to start apt-getting ?
[03:42] <Minataku> Sorry, I'm still a tad angry
[03:42] <Minataku> DaSkreech: A kernel, for one
[03:42] <DaSkreech> NickPresta: that's what chroots are for :)
[03:42] <DaSkreech> Minataku: Well a live cd could suply that
[03:42] <Minataku> Libraries would be nice, too
[03:42] <Minataku> XD
[03:42] <mneptok> Minataku: people ignore my advice all the time. and with all due respect, mine's worth more than yours. you learn to let people make their own beds.
[03:42] <Tm_T> yup
[03:42] <Minataku> I'll partially ignore your comment, mneptok
[03:42] <stdin> let them crawl back :)
[03:43] <mneptok> Minataku: your *Ubuntu advice will be worth as much as mine when we share an office. :)
[03:43] <Minataku> Well if it's buntu advice :P
[03:44] <mneptok> BeOS and any Apple OS, too. i've worked in those sausage factories, as well.
[03:44] <Minataku> I've used BeOS
[03:44] <Minataku> I also have fair experiece with A/UX
[03:44] <mneptok> it's a great OS. if this is 1994.
[03:44] <Minataku> Which I must admit, is the best OS to ever come out of Apple
[03:45] <Minataku> They should have stuck with that one
[03:45] <DaSkreech> Haiku!!!
[03:45] <naelrssinssrig> good evening all and happy thanksgiving to usa irc'ers
[03:45] <mneptok> DaSkreech: necrophilia is *really* unattractive ;)
[03:45] <jacob> hello, what are the packages i need to install to give dvd playback
[03:45] <Minataku> <.<
[03:45] <Minataku> !dvd
[03:45] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[03:45] <mneptok> jacob: or just install VLC
[03:45] <naelrssinssrig> I hate jumping into a chat room new and asking for help but this one has been kicking my butt for 3 days
[03:46] <jacob> mneptok: i did install vlc but i can't get past the first menu
[03:46] <jacob> mneptok: like i press play disc, and then dvd (titles) but it plays like a 15 second clip
[03:46] <naelrssinssrig> anyone out there have a one of these acer aspire 5520 laptops and having problem getting kubuntu to boot
[03:47] <mneptok> jacob: menus are usually a different track on the DVD. try skipping to the next track.
[03:48] <DaSkreech> mneptok: It was the only really innovative OS for lie .. a long time
[03:48] <DaSkreech> naelrssinssrig: you do realise that's what this channel is for? :)
[03:48] <Minataku> Then Jobs went and ruined it
[03:48] <jacob> mneptok: after it plays the 15 sec thing it basically acts like its the end of the playlist
[03:48] <DaSkreech> naelrssinssrig: did you try any cheat codes?
[03:49] <Minataku> IDDQD
[03:49] <Minataku> j/k
[03:49] <Minataku> XD
[03:49] <mneptok> DaSkreech: but there were fundamental problems that are not easily remedied
[03:49] <naelrssinssrig> what channel is this
[03:49] <naelrssinssrig> kubuntu channel right
[03:49] <Tm_T> please please stop that offtopic
[03:49] <DaSkreech> naelrssinssrig: kubuntu support .. to fix your problems
[03:49] <Pyrobyte> hello all whenever i try to open amarok i get this error "Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: Permission denied." it opens and works, but there is no system tray icon. i do not have kde installed but was told to come here as you may know more about amarok any ideas
[03:49] <naelrssinssrig> right .. I am having problems
[03:49] <mneptok> DaSkreech: (e.g. lack of a decent netstack and half-right POSIX compliance)
[03:49] <naelrssinssrig> kubuntu won't boot on this laptop
[03:49] <DaSkreech> naelrssinssrig: live cd ?
[03:50] <naelrssinssrig> no the live cd works just fine.. and installs...
[03:50] <DaSkreech> ah
[03:50] <naelrssinssrig> when I reboot... I end up in a busybox ash
[03:50] <DaSkreech> what does the install do?
[03:50] <DaSkreech> with no errors?
[03:50] <NickPresta> Pyrobyte, is that the only error you get?
[03:50] <Pyrobyte> i used to gat another error about dcopserver but it doesn't come up anymore
[03:50] <naelrssinssrig> found on tht ubuntu forums that it is appeantly the acpi that the hard drive controller uses.. and noacpi in grub doens't help the boot
[03:50] <soviet> why kubuntu stinks so much ?
[03:51] <NickPresta> soviet, that is your opinion.
[03:51] <BonesolTeraDyne> soviet: How does it stink?
[03:51] <naelrssinssrig> the install goes great... no problems
[03:51] <soviet> in a lot of special ways
[03:51] <Pyrobyte> wait, i found the system tray icon, its in a window not the tray
[03:51] <soviet> exact same problem heare
[03:51] <soviet> is the update manager
[03:51] <soviet> can't stop stinking
[03:52] <DaSkreech> naelrssinssrig: so It's never booted?
[03:52] <Tm_T> soviet: are you ranting or asking help?
[03:52] <naelrssinssrig> DaSkreech: no it always fails.. even in recovery mode ends in busybox
[03:52] <genii> naelrssinssrig: By any chance was it the server install? No gui with that one
[03:53] <naelrssinssrig> genii: no it was graphical...
[03:53] <DaSkreech> genii: that wouldn't explain bustbox
[03:53] <DaSkreech> Busybox
[03:53] <genii> DaSkreech: Yeah, true should just give regular shell
[03:53] <naelrssinssrig> and the 64 bit won't even boot to the install desktop
[03:53] <NickPresta> Pyrobyte, you may need to `find ~ -user root -group root` and see if there are any files related to amarok owned by root. If there are, `chown yourusername:yourusername /path/to/file`
[03:54] <Pyrobyte> NickPresta: i will give it a go thanks
[03:54] <naelrssinssrig> I have been using linux for bout 10 years... this is the first problem I have not been able to figure out myself
[03:54] <naelrssinssrig> kubuntu is one 4 of my 5 comptuers...
[03:54] <naelrssinssrig> er is on
[03:55] <naelrssinssrig> I have read that opensuse works on this laptop.. and someone else suggested fedora 8 but I want Kubuntu/Ubuntu...
[03:55] <Pyrobyte> NickPresta: only output is "/home/mitchell/.kde/socket-ubuntu    /home/mitchell/.rnd"
[03:55] <naelrssinssrig> I didn't try Ubuntu because both K and U come from teh same package sources.. it wouldn't help do ya think?
[03:56] <DaSkreech> No it wouldn't
[03:56] <naelrssinssrig> didn't think so
[03:56] <DaSkreech> is there a list of the cheatcodes
[03:56] <DaSkreech> I forget
[03:56] <DaSkreech> I recall there are two powermanagement cheat codes
[03:56] <DaSkreech> noapci and another one
[03:56] <DaSkreech> It may be the other one that you need
[03:57] <DaSkreech>  noapci always seems to work for me so far
[03:57] <NickPresta> Pyrobyte, yes, the folder .kde/socket-YOURHOSTNAME is owned by root but the files instead shouldn't be (at least they aren't on my system). I don't know how else to help you. Try asking in #amarok
[03:58] <NickPresta> !boot | DaSkreech
[03:58] <ubotu> DaSkreech: Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[03:58] <Pyrobyte> NickPresta: thanks
[03:58] <NickPresta> should be in BootOptions
[03:58] <weenus> test
[03:58] <naelrssinssrig> DaSkreech I tried both cheat codes and ended up in the busybox
[03:58] <weenus> testing
[03:58] <DaSkreech> naelrssinssrig: what's the hard drive controller?
[03:59] <naelrssinssrig> DaSkreech: lemme see if I can figure it out in this vista crap.. one sec
[03:59] <DaSkreech> ha ha
[03:59] <DaSkreech> That's normally easier in the live Cd
[04:02] <soviet> stinky
[04:02] <soberon> Hi... Please: I am trying to share files, but says: "SMB and NFS servers are not installed..." Which package(s) I must to install?  Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[04:04]  * DaSkreech hums Noooothing is where it should be
[04:04] <naelrssinssrig> haha
[04:05] <DaSkreech> !laptop
[04:05] <ubotu> Laptop support information can be found on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops - http://www.linux-laptop.net/ - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam - http://tuxmobil.org
[04:05] <DaSkreech> Though that's probably defunct now
[04:05] <DaSkreech> naelrssinssrig: #ubuntuforums is maybe your best bet
[04:05] <naelrssinssrig> DaSkreech: I have worn out the forums... that is why I ended up here
[04:06] <soberon> Yes... but what package is needed for it?... I can see other machines in the net, but if I try to share one of my files theese announcement appears
[04:06] <naelrssinssrig> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=565213&highlight=acer+5520
[04:06] <naelrssinssrig> that is the closest I found to my exact problem
[04:06] <DaSkreech> naelrssinssrig: I'm guessing if you figure out the chipset that's making the kernel hurl you will be a long way to the fix
[04:07] <DaSkreech>  #ubuntuforums is an irc chan that would probably be able to help you narrow it down quickly
[04:07] <naelrssinssrig> ok I will try there...
[04:07] <naelrssinssrig> thanks daskreech
[04:07] <DaSkreech> Sure
[04:08] <naelrssinssrig> I will reboot with the live cd and find the exact chipset..
[04:08] <naelrssinssrig> daskreech: just do the kinfo?
[04:10] <metaborn>  /msg nickserv identify Valexor9
[04:10] <DaSkreech> sudo lshw | less works for me
[04:10] <DaSkreech> Whoot :)
[04:11] <DaSkreech> Time to have a personal chat with nickserv
[04:11] <metaborn> I'm new to this, it's a pain
[04:11] <metaborn> Trying to register my nic
[04:12] <DaSkreech> !register
[04:12] <ubotu> By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[04:12] <stdin> metaborn: the name metaborn has already been registered 2 years 18 weeks 2 days (5h 28m 18s) ago
[04:12] <metaborn> Thank you
[04:13] <metaborn> I know, I registered it a long time ago, but I forgot the password
[04:13] <stdin> metaborn: you have to get a staffer to drop it for you so you can register it
[04:13] <metaborn> How do I do that?
[04:13] <metaborn> how do I get a hold of a staffer?
[04:13] <metaborn> I'm looking though the faq right now
[04:14] <DaSkreech> #freenode might help
[04:14] <metaborn> Thank you
[04:14] <DaSkreech> I thought they nuked people who didn't log in?
[04:14] <stdin> or /who freenode/staff/*
[04:14] <Minataku> Not here they don't
[04:15] <coreymon77> okay guys
[04:15] <coreymon77> new question
[04:15] <coreymon77> if i boot this computer into target disk mode
[04:15] <coreymon77> and connect this computer and the other laptop through firewire cable
[04:15] <coreymon77> how do i get the dapper livecd kubuntu to recognize and mount my target disk mode laptop as an hd an mount it
[04:16] <coreymon77> so that i can take the files from the hard drive and move them to my computer
[04:17] <surgy> yo
[04:17] <angel> tu
[04:17] <angel> el
[04:17] <surgy> i need help compiling a program anyone up to the task?
[04:17] <coreymon77> you guys do know what target disk mode is right?
[04:18] <genii> !compile
[04:18] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[04:19] <surgy> genii: lol how did i know your answer? actually i was looking for application specific help, im trying to compile pcsx2 and it doesnt have a make file or a config file, and was wandering if a guru such as yourself might be of some assistance?
[04:19] <coreymon77> oky
[04:19] <coreymon77> lets try this
[04:20] <coreymon77> how do i set up a bcm43xx wifi card on a dapper livecd without an internet connection on that computer
[04:20] <Naelrssinssrig> DaSkreech: Nvidia.. almost everything is nvidia.. wtf it should work
[04:20] <genii> surgy: Normally yes but tonight I am weary and only giving the simple fast answers LOL
[04:20] <stdin> surgy: post (to pastebin) what "ls" shows in the dir
[04:20] <surgy> genii: lol thnx anyways
[04:21] <genii> !info pcsx2
[04:21] <ubotu> Package pcsx2 does not exist in gutsy
[04:21] <genii> hmm
[04:21] <genii> what is it?
[04:21] <surgy> http://pastebin.ca/794471
[04:21] <surgy> a ps2 emulator
[04:21] <stdin> !info pcsx
[04:22] <ubotu> pcsx: Sony PlayStation emulator. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.699df-rc3-1 (gutsy), package size 8 kB, installed size 40 kB
[04:22] <genii> Aaah ok
[04:22] <surgy> as in playstation 2
[04:22] <stdin> like that ^?
[04:22] <surgy> yeah but pcsx is the playstation one emu i want the playstation 2 emu which is called pcsx2
[04:22] <DaSkreech> Naelrssinssrig: you said this series is known to have problems?
[04:23] <se7en> !gimp
[04:23] <Naelrssinssrig> DaSkreech: yea I found a forum post with the same problems I have the series doesn't have them just this one laptop in the series
[04:23] <ubotu> gimp is an advanced image manipulation application for Ubuntu. See http://www.gimp.org for tutorials and more information.
[04:24] <stdin> surgy: it has .am and .ac files (automake/autoconf), make sure you install autoconf and autotools-dev, then run "autoreconf"
[04:24] <surgy> stdin: any ideas?
[04:24] <stdin> surgy: that should make a configure script
[04:24] <surgy> stdin: ok
[04:24] <genii> surgy: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=399165
[04:25]  * genii sips
[04:25] <Naelrssinssrig> DaSkreech: most of the aspire 5520's have a few wireless driver problems or the video but they are most fixed with the restricted drivers packages... mine the 5520-5716 seems to be the only one with this boot problem
[04:25] <stdin> what type of evil app donesn't even have a README??
[04:25] <genii> stdin: That IS evil
[04:25] <surgy> stdin: it has one in a subdirectory but its very vague and missleading, also the configure script is going to make me a make file right?
[04:26] <stdin> surgy: configure is easy (for the user)
[04:26] <stdin> ./configure ; make ; sudo make install
[04:26] <surgy> yeah but when i run ./configure it should create a make file right?
[04:26] <surgy> kewl
[04:26] <stdin> (that installs to /usr/local)
[04:26] <genii> the url I gave has about 3 steps involved to make the program, ubuntu-specific
[04:27] <DaSkreech> Naelrssinssrig: that's the 5520 G ?
[04:27] <surgy> got some errors
[04:27] <Naelrssinssrig> DaSkreech: it has an nvidia 8400M G video card so I figure that is what t hey are talking about it is the 5520-5716
[04:27] <surgy> stdin: http://pastebin.ca/794474
[04:28] <stdin> surgy: did it make a configure tho?
[04:28] <surgy> stdin: yes sir!
[04:28] <stdin> then who cares! :p
[04:28] <stdin> run it and roll :)
[04:28] <surgy> stdin: this cares:
[04:28] <surgy> ./configure: line 1706: syntax error near unexpected token `pcsx2,0.9.4'
[04:28] <surgy> ./configure: line 1706: `AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE(pcsx2,0.9.4)'
[04:29] <stdin> hmmmmm
[04:29] <surgy> which is relevant to the above errors right?
[04:29] <Naelrssinssrig> DaSkreech: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834115411
[04:30] <stdin> surgy: it may be using a different version of autoconf
[04:30] <genii> I just built the thing while you were discussing it using exactly the info supplied at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=399165
[04:30] <stdin> go for the guide then :p ^
[04:30] <genii> Bah I'm getting cranky LOL
[04:30] <surgy> stdin: can you clarify this? "If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow."
 Maybe I have additional libs installed
[04:32] <surgy> stdin: lol im prolly a bit green to be doing battle with demons :)
[04:33] <apparle> DaSkreech: My installer crashed while cpying installation logs(97%) . Reinstall is required or not
[04:33] <surgy> if only i could get genii to send me his prebuilt source :) or whould that even work?
[04:33] <stdin> surgy: I've used linux for, well, ever. I don't get automake and I never will!
[04:33] <DaSkreech> hi apparle
[04:33] <se7en> !conky
[04:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about conky - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:33] <surgy> stdin: well it said something about making tokens legitimate?
[04:34] <apparle> DaSkreech: hi
[04:34] <weenus> #
[04:34] <Naelrssinssrig> conky is a system monitor
[04:34] <Naelrssinssrig> DaSkreech: are you talking about a daily release do you think that might help?
[04:34] <stdin> surgy: to fix that you'd need to learn autotools, there are only about 10 people in the world that really understand autotools and I'm not one of them
[04:34] <weenus> excuse me I'm learning kopete as an irc client
[04:34] <DaSkreech> Naelrssinssrig: they have a new ubuntu CD built every day you could get the one for the latest hardy release and see if that works >_<
[04:35] <Naelrssinssrig> DaSkreech: ouch... I guess it couldn't hurt to try..
[04:35] <apparle> daskreech: what do you say
[04:35] <surgy> stdin: oh :( well this blows, why whould a software dev make a package and add it to the repos then make a better version of it and not add the better one to the repos? or even make a deb for that matter.....
[04:35] <DaSkreech> apparle: does it boot?
[04:35] <weenus> so I'll sending up message that won'[t warant a response
[04:36] <genii> surgy: I have my system set up to compile with dynamic libs so it likely will do you no good anyhow if yer missing the lib thats on mine
[04:36] <DaSkreech> surgy: time?
[04:36] <stdin> surgy: did you read http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=399165 ?
[04:37] <surgy> stdin: yeah and i tried it twice, i guess i can try it again, the other two atempts failed
[04:37] <surgy> DaSkreech: ?
[04:37] <apparle> daskreech: yes
[04:37] <surgy> DaSkreech: gotcha :)
[04:37] <DaSkreech> apparle: ok apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:38] <surgy> man i really want this program
[04:38] <genii> stdin: He said he tried it, yes. But then he has 0.9.4 code and not 0.9.3 which is what I just made (per the post)
[04:38] <apparle> DaSkreech: why should i do that??
[04:39] <DaSkreech> apparle: the install crashed but it boots?
[04:39] <DaSkreech> Naelrssinssrig: this is a production laptop?
[04:40] <weenus> /#join
[04:40] <apparle> DaSkreech:yes and I also have the desktop
[04:40] <surgy> genii: good point
[04:40] <surgy> genii: i guess sourceforge might have the older source?
[04:40] <genii> surgy: I imagine so
[04:41] <apparle> DaSkreech:yes and I also have the fully functional desktop desktop. installer crashed after installing grub while copying the installation logs(97%)
[04:41] <genii> I got it by the svn
[04:41] <surgy> ok ill check it out
[04:41] <DaSkreech> apparle: Oh .. Pfft
[04:41] <surgy> genii: can you verify the compile by running the program? if you have time of course?
[04:42] <genii> ok hangon
[04:42] <genii> bah. Crashes and burns :(
[04:42] <surgy> :(
[04:42]  * genii fumes
[04:42] <surgy> genii: error?
[04:42] <apparle> now does anybody know how to install PCTel HSP56 modem (I don't want  to change the kernel)
[04:42] <genii> core dump
[04:42] <se7en> does someone know a good type writing trainer
[04:43] <surgy> se7en: mmorpg
[04:43] <surgy> :)
[04:43] <apparle> se7en: I also want one
[04:43] <genii> surgy: No error. Immediate core dump
[04:44] <apparle> surgy: from where to get mmorpg
[04:44] <surgy> genii: any ideas?
[04:44] <genii> surgy: Not ofhand
[04:44] <surgy> apparle: was a joke mmorpg is a genre of games play them it will make you better at typing :)
[04:45] <apparle> does someone know a good type writing trainer
[04:45] <surgy> genii: where did you get your 9.3 source?
[04:46] <genii> from the svn command. So it may then be whatever was in there
[04:46] <apparle> how to install the PCTel modem
[04:46] <genii> (I need more coffee)
[04:46] <surgy> ok thnx
[04:47] <genii> apparle: the command:  apt-cache search typ|grep tutor       gives some install candidates for typing tutors
[04:47] <weenus> apparle: there is a Mavis Beacon like program for Ubuntu I will find it for you.
[04:47] <Dr_Willis> mavis bacon does work under wine. :)
[04:47] <sparr> how can i find the UUID of an ext3 partition?
[04:47] <Dr_Willis> !uuid
[04:47] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell: « sudo blkid » (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[04:48] <Dr_Willis> or ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid (i think)
[04:48] <genii> sparr: sudo blkid /dev/whatever
[04:48] <DaSkreech> apparle: kde-edu has some good ones
[04:49] <weenus> apparle: I just tyuped typing tutor into synaptic and 8 programs came up. tuxtype, ktouch, junior typing
[04:50] <weenus> there is no end to open source bounty
[04:50] <DaSkreech> Ktouch
[04:50] <DaSkreech>  that was it :)
[04:50] <sparr> thanks
[04:51] <apparle> how to pen passworded rar files
[04:51] <cs__> arrrrrrghdth
[04:51] <cs__> ati fglrx GL is still stuck at mesa no matter what i try on that cchtml wiki >_<
[04:52] <cs__> 7.10.
[04:52] <DaSkreech> apparle: try unrar
[04:52] <wilson> cat /etc/fstab is basically the same thing isn't it ?
[04:52] <DaSkreech> NetersLandreau: ping
[04:52] <soberon> In order to edit a config file, What text editor is used?... kate do not works
[04:52] <apparle> daskreech: i have it
[04:52] <DaSkreech> wilson: as ?
[04:52] <cs__> fglrx is working, opengl is not
[04:53] <wilson> "blkid"
[04:53] <DaSkreech> !doesntwork | soberon
[04:53] <ubotu> soberon: Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[04:53] <surgy> genii: how do i use the svn code?
[04:53] <weenus> soberon: It doesn't matter what editor you use, you have to have permissions to write to the file your editiing
[04:54] <genii> eg:    svn co https://pcsx2.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/pcsx2 pcsx2
[04:54] <genii> fetches it
[04:54] <soberon> well... from console with # kate /etc/samba/smab.conf says some as cannot connect to xserver
[04:54] <surgy> in the address bar of a browser?
[04:55] <DaSkreech> soberon: ah you want a command line editor?
[04:55] <DaSkreech> soberon: try nano
[04:55] <genii> oh, I used bash instead of sh as in the instructions.
[04:55] <wilson> i would be lost without mc aka midnight commander
[04:55] <genii> surgy: No, at command line
[04:56] <surgy> gotcha thnx :)
[04:56] <soberon> Thanks... i come from Debian an used gedit
[04:56] <cs__> i like vi
[04:57] <soberon> Thanks again... I will try nano
[04:57] <apparle> any one who uses a PCTel modem
[04:57] <twylight> beep
[04:57] <cs__> no one knows how to fix my mesa gl software problem? :(
[04:58] <DaSkreech> cs__: what does mesa do?
[04:58] <cs__> daskreech - be really slow :P
[04:58] <apparle>  :(
[04:58] <cs__> i want to have hardware gl rendering on my x850 gt radeon in fglrx
[04:58] <surgy> genii: so its built now how do i install/run it?
[04:59] <DaSkreech> Which fglrx ?
[04:59] <cs__> the new 7.11 one
[04:59] <wilson> surgy: what are you compiling ?
[04:59] <surgy> pcsx2
[04:59] <cs__> i'm not touching the older 8.3x drivers from the repositories with a stick
[04:59] <cs__> they're poor at GLSL
[04:59] <apparle> modem :( :(
[04:59] <wilson> have you run configure yet ?
[04:59] <surgy> lol :)
[05:00] <DaSkreech> ..
[05:00] <DaSkreech> wouldn't 8 be better than 7 ?
[05:00] <surgy> there is no configure
[05:00] <cs__> DaSkreech: i'm referring to a different version number
[05:00] <DaSkreech> !winmodem | apparle
[05:00] <genii> surgy: just run the pcsx2   eg in same dir you just built it, or copy the file someplace accessible:   ./pcxs2
[05:00] <ubotu> apparle: You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto
[05:00] <wilson> i see, well there's make install   but who knows where it will put it
[05:00] <cs__> 7.11 is basically 8.433
[05:00] <wilson> usually in /usr/local
[05:01] <DaSkreech> How?
[05:01] <cs__> the 8.4x fglrx driver has massive speed improvement
[05:01] <surgy> genii: there is no executable
[05:01] <cs__> and aiglx
[05:01] <DaSkreech> Right i heard
[05:02] <genii> surgy: cd pcxs2; sudo bash install.sh all; ./pcsx2
[05:02] <genii> surgy: cd pcxs2; sudo bash build.sh all; ./pcsx2                     rather
[05:03] <surgy> genii: ../GS.h:41:21: error: GL/glew.h: No such file or directory
[05:04] <genii> bah
[05:04] <apparle> DaSkreech: i am unable to understand what the page says. would you explain it
[05:05] <flaccid> correct place to add a path to the user shell path?
[05:05] <DaSkreech> apparle: Wooooah :)
[05:05] <surgy> genii: any idea what dependancy is cuasing that one?
[05:05] <DaSkreech> !path
[05:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about path - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:05] <genii> surgy: I would recommend to diligently read the url I provided earlier. Install the packages which are specified there before doing the command provided above. Especially important to install the Nvidia CG toolkit as specified there.
[05:05] <flaccid> ah ~/.profile
[05:06] <DaSkreech> flaccid: ~/.bash_profile shoudl work
[05:06] <surgy> genii: yes sir and thank you sir for your patients and all of your help, i shale return informed and compiled :) thanks again!
[05:06] <flaccid> ~/.profile is where it is but it calls that anyway
[05:06] <apparle> DaSkreech:https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto
[05:06] <DaSkreech> apparle: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto/PcTel
[05:06] <DaSkreech> that's old thought
[05:06] <DaSkreech> though
[05:06] <DaSkreech> and very Gnome centric
[05:06] <DaSkreech> apparle: You have kppp ?
[05:07] <apparle> DaSkreech: yes
[05:07] <genii> stdin: Got some aspirin? ;)
[05:07] <stdin> genii: no, but plenty of paracetamol
[05:08] <genii> heh
[05:08] <DaSkreech> apparle: but you can't dial out?
[05:08] <genii> Well, bedtime for me.
[05:08] <apparle> DaSkreech: when i query the modem it says 'unable to open the modem'
[05:08] <DaSkreech> !find pctel
[05:08] <flaccid> hmm hopeful: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/SimpleXModeSelection
[05:08] <twylight> pwnd
[05:08]  * DaSkreech hordes the !coffee
[05:09] <twylight> !coffee
[05:09] <ubotu> Package/file pctel does not exist in gutsy
[05:09] <ubotu> coffee is a caffeinated beverage made by filtering water through ground up roasted beans of the coffee plant. Flavouring to taste such as milk or cream, sugar or sweetener are often added afterwards. Not to be confused with !java
[05:09] <DaSkreech> !find linmodem
[05:10] <ubotu> Package/file linmodem does not exist in gutsy
[05:10] <DaSkreech> hmm
[05:10] <cs__> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Gutsy_Installation_Guide hrm
[05:10] <DaSkreech> apparle: can you type sudo modprobe linmodem for me ?
[05:11] <apparle> DaSkreech: i am online on windows
[05:11] <DaSkreech> Right. of course
[05:11] <DaSkreech> !linmodem
[05:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about linmodem - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:12] <DaSkreech> !linmodems
[05:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about linmodems - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:12] <DaSkreech> hmm
[05:13] <DaSkreech> apparle: Gutsy right?
[05:13] <apparle> DaSkreech: yes
[05:13] <weenus> How do I get the normal irc commands to work with this?
[05:14] <weenus> This kopete is giving me fits
[05:14] <DaSkreech> apparle: are you registered with Nickserv ?
[05:15] <DaSkreech> weenus: you irc in kopete ?
[05:15] <weenus> #nick wenus
[05:15] <apparle> DaSkreech: what is that
[05:15] <weenus> see that doesn't work
[05:15] <DaSkreech> It's /nick
[05:15] <DaSkreech> apparle: Never mind then :)
[05:15] <awag> hello all
[05:15] <wenus> testing
[05:15] <DaSkreech> wenus: Not that hard
[05:15] <DaSkreech> !hi | awag
[05:15] <ubotu> awag: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[05:16] <wenus> alright cool
[05:16] <apparle> DaSkreech: tell me how to register
[05:16] <DaSkreech> !register | apparle
[05:16] <ubotu> apparle: By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[05:17] <wenus> Isn't there a simpler way that this: apparle: By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[05:17] <awag> anyone ever have a problem, where about 5 hours after logging into kde, all of a sudden video playback stops working,. avi mpg wmv, in every player that i have installed stops displaying video correctly, only sound
[05:17] <awag> this only has happened since my upgrade to gutsy
[05:17] <Tm_T> awag: nvidia?
[05:18] <awag> yes, geforce 6 series, compiz fusion
[05:18] <Tm_T> awag: try this: ctrl+alt+F4 and ctrl+alt+F7
[05:19] <awag> Tm_T, first one brings me to tty4 after showing some weird artifacts on the screen
[05:19] <Tm_T> yes
[05:19] <Tm_T> and latter should bring you back
[05:19] <awag> correct
[05:20] <Tm_T> does video playback works now?
[05:20] <awag> Tm_T, yes ! :)
[05:20] <awag> lol
[05:20] <awag> wtf
[05:20] <Tm_T> nvidia driver issue
[05:20] <Tm_T> neext
[05:20] <awag> haha
[05:20] <awag> thanks man
[05:20] <Tm_T> np
[05:21] <awag> is it an issue regardless if i am using compiz or not?
[05:22] <Tm_T> well OpenGL does help to trigger it so kinda yes
[05:22] <Tm_T> but you can't fully avoid it
[05:22] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: want to fix a Linmodem? :)
[05:22] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: nope sorry :)
[05:22] <awag> lol
[05:22] <DaSkreech> Bugger :)
[05:22] <nano> hola
[05:23] <awag> hi
[05:23] <DaSkreech> vi
[05:23] <DaSkreech> I mean
[05:23] <DaSkreech> hi
[05:23] <nano> alguien sabe como instalar java en x86
[05:23] <Tm_T> !es | nano
[05:23] <ubotu> nano: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[05:23] <nano> gracias
[05:23] <cs__> ha ha, 'vi'
[05:24] <awag> is that the bot speaking spanish?
[05:24] <cs__> glad my tv card works great in 7.10 though
[05:24] <apparle> DaSkreech:when i become online again i will tell you the result of 'sudo modprobe linmodem'
[05:24] <apparle> bye everyone
[05:24] <cs__> i miss recording and 60fps though :(
[05:24] <DaSkreech> apparle: bye
[05:25] <cs__> kdetv doesn't seem featureful and mythtv expects me to have the entire kitchen sink
[05:26] <flaccid> try tvtime
[05:26] <awag> cs_, i've been thinking about getting a tv in card, what is the one that you have working in kubuntu?
[05:27] <cs__> Encore ENLTV-FM
[05:27] <cs__> it's not very good (it was $20 lol)
[05:27] <cs__> in previous kubuntu versions it crashed the kernel
[05:27] <awag> cs_, sweet
[05:27] <awag> hehe
[05:27] <angel> !es | nano  ----> what purpot?
[05:27] <cs__> the tv card lacks closed captioning support
[05:27] <cs__> and is mono sound only
[05:28] <awag> mono sound, that kinda sucks
[05:28] <cs__> yea :(
[05:28] <awag> i can do without closed captioning though
[05:28] <cs__> it's also windows dependent and has crappy software for windows
[05:28] <cs__> i'm hoping linux will suit this card better :P
[05:29] <DaSkreech> !en | angel
[05:29] <ubotu> angel: The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[05:30] <angel> ok
[05:30]  * cs__ sudo apt-get install tvtime
[05:31] <angel> who is ubotu ?   an robot?     (question)
[05:32] <awag> he is a space robot
[05:32] <DaSkreech> !bot
[05:32] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[05:33] <awag> hey, another question, does anyone here ever get random full system freezes? like the kind that you can't kill X or switch to another tty
[05:33] <slaestat> Hi im new in kununtu
[05:33] <angel> ok thank of all
[05:33] <angel> kununtu ---> is new distro linux ???  sorry n_n
[05:34] <bazhang> not that new-several years old now
[05:34] <awag> kununtu is kubuntu for nuns
[05:35] <DaSkreech> awag: I do
[05:35] <DaSkreech> slaestat: Welcome
[05:35] <angel> thank you
[05:35] <slaestat> :o, sorry i thouht all you are using kubuntu because this is the default irc chat with it
[05:35] <slaestat> tnx
[05:36] <DaSkreech> angel: It's still kinda young but not young enough to think of it as young :)
[05:36] <awag> DaSkreech, was that in response to the system freezes?
[05:36] <slaestat> sorry for my write, i dont speak english very well
[05:36] <DaSkreech> Yes
[05:36] <slaestat> jeejje
[05:36] <DaSkreech> slaestat: Which language ?
[05:36] <slaestat> spanish
[05:36] <awag> DaSkreech, awesome, any idea what causes yours?
[05:36] <DaSkreech> !es | slaestat
[05:36] <ubotu> slaestat: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[05:36] <DaSkreech> awag: almost sure it's X drivers
[05:37] <slaestat> tnx, but im just want chat, jejeje i can use ubuntu/kubuntu
[05:37] <twylight> slae
[05:37] <DaSkreech> !offtopic | slaestat  :-)
[05:37] <slaestat> im not expert but, at least i can chat and use oficce
[05:37] <ubotu> slaestat  :-): #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[05:37] <slaestat> jejeje
[05:37] <twylight> !offtopic
[05:37] <DaSkreech> I win :)
[05:37] <Tm_T> meh
[05:37] <twylight> needless pissing contest
[05:37] <twylight> I need a smoke <.>
[05:38] <DaSkreech> awag: if I SSH in X is taking up over 90% CPU
[05:38] <Tm_T> twylight: what?
[05:38] <twylight> I said no contest is required for getting to the !offtopic command first
[05:38] <slaestat> ok i dont know how can i change chanel :P
[05:38] <twylight> and that I need to ingest some nice toxic nicotine
[05:39] <bazhang> slaestat: type /join #channelname
[05:39] <twylight> slaestat: /join #channelnamehere
[05:39] <twylight> oh wow
[05:39] <bazhang> heh
[05:39] <twylight> so close
[05:39] <awag> DaSkreech, I usually get it when I have about 50 firefox tabs open for too long, but today I got it randomly when I was just looking around in the compiz-fusion settings menu, firefox wasn't even running, weird
[05:39] <twylight> I'm not on the ball today
[05:39] <bazhang> twylight: get any sleep? :}
[05:39] <twylight> awag: I've found that many GL desktop apps mess with other apps that run
[05:40] <twylight> a minor amount
[05:40] <twylight> but my dad kicked me out
[05:40] <twylight> so I'm kinda in between living arrangements
[05:40] <DaSkreech> awag: well firefox sucks :)
[05:40] <twylight> BLASPHEMY
[05:40] <awag> hahaa
[05:40] <DaSkreech> awag: I think I'm getting close to what causes it but it's X
[05:41] <awag> DaSkreech, well i'm hoping that the next release fixes the memory usage issues
[05:41] <DaSkreech> It happens in Ubuntu as well but much less often
[05:41] <twylight> !firefox
[05:41] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[05:41] <twylight> !ssh
[05:41] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[05:41] <twylight> hmm
[05:41] <DaSkreech> awag: thats' a feature You can tweak it and tone it down
[05:41] <Tm_T> twylight: /msg ubotu
[05:41] <awag> DaSkreech, oh?
[05:42] <DaSkreech> twylight: Firefox sucks unfortunately the extensions kick large round butt
[05:42] <cs__> hrm tvtime didn't work
[05:42] <cs__> no yuv2 overlay support
[05:42] <cs__> maybe it's related to the mesagl problem
[05:42] <twylight> well this isn't #firefox-debate
[05:42] <awag> DaSkreech, my firefox seems to take up like 80% of my system memory if i open about 5 tabs and just let it sit there, it will slowly eat memory until it's at about 80% of my entire physical memory
[05:43] <awag> DaSkreech, what browser do you use?
[05:43] <DaSkreech> awag: firefox doesn't have memory leaks I'm aware of almost certainly your plugins
[05:43] <DaSkreech> Konqueror
[05:43] <DaSkreech> I have about 18 open with about 4 tabs each some with 9 tabs
[05:44] <twylight> if I start firefox at 8am
[05:44] <twylight> by 8pm
[05:44] <twylight> I have 120 tabs open
[05:44] <twylight> and my cpu is at 20%
[05:44] <hydrogen> opera is the greatest handler of tabs I've seen
[05:44] <hydrogen> opera++
[05:44] <hydrogen> and yes, firefox sucks
[05:44] <flaccid> opera 9.5 makes tabs damn fast
[05:44] <hydrogen> well, more appropriatly.. gecko sucks
[05:44] <awag> flaccid, lol
[05:44] <hydrogen> and firefox is just along for the ride
[05:44] <flaccid> its true
[05:44] <Tm_T> meh
[05:44] <awag> i like your name
[05:44] <awag> that was why i loled
[05:45]  * hydrogen hops on Tm_T, i'm along for the ride!
[05:45] <hydrogen> woah
[05:45] <twylight> Tm_T: did this place turn into a social channel while I was gone?
[05:45] <DaSkreech> hydrogen: you are light anyway :-P
[05:45] <Tm_T> no idea
[05:45] <awag> DaSkreech, I always resort to konq after my firefox starts to become sluggish
[05:46] <DaSkreech> twylight: Well unless you ahve a fix for awag I don't see any outstanding support requests
[05:46] <Tm_T> anyway, please keep offtopic in #kubuntu-offtopic
[05:46] <twylight> 'zactly
[05:46]  * DaSkreech keeps to his pillow
[05:46] <DaSkreech> Night all
[05:46] <twylight> nini
[05:46] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: nighty :)
[05:47] <awag> I wonder if there is something wrong with the forcastfox plugin that i have
[05:47] <DaSkreech> awag: that's an extension
[05:47] <DaSkreech> plugins are different
[05:47] <twylight> http://www.wellingtongrey.net/miscellanea/archive/2007-11-19-past-present-and-future-me.html
[05:50] <awag> also, in firefox, and sometimes though rarely in konquerer flash video has weird pauses, even though the video is loaded
[05:53] <rattts> i have 2 comps, both connected to a wireless router, one comp has shared folders, how can i access this comp or at least see it using ubuntu?
[05:53] <angel>  !bot
[05:53] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[05:53] <DaSkreech> awag: yeah I just blame flash for that
[05:54] <DaSkreech> awag: if it helps your anity any it doesit in windows as well
[05:54] <awag> DaSkreech, yeah I think I remember reading that it was a known issue or something
[05:54] <awag> DaSkreech, seems to work better the fewer firefox tabs I have open however
[05:57] <rdvon> Could someone please tell me that there exists a program for linux which converts mp4 files to 3g2 :'(
[05:58] <rdvon> Or say there isn't..
[05:58] <rdvon> Something.
[05:58] <DaSkreech> something
[05:58] <rdvon> :'(
[05:58] <rdvon> No program for linux then.
[05:58] <rdvon> Lame!
[05:58] <twylight> -6 C ;_;
[05:58] <twylight> this isn't going to be fun
[05:59] <rdvon> Super lame. :(
[05:59] <rdvon> I hate my phone!
[05:59] <rdvon> It needs to go die.
[05:59] <awag> what is 3g2?
[05:59] <DaSkreech> rdvon: http://www.google.com/linux?hl=en&q=3g2&btnG=Search
[05:59] <DaSkreech> First and third links
[05:59] <DaSkreech> Ah you are joking
[05:59] <awag> he left
[05:59] <rdvon> :(
[05:59] <awag> oh there he is
[05:59] <rdvon> I'm back!
[05:59] <DaSkreech> http://www.google.com/linux?hl=en&q=3g2&btnG=Search
[06:00] <rdvon> You have a program!!?!
[06:00] <rdvon> omg!
[06:00] <DaSkreech> rdvon: search engines are helpful :)
[06:00] <rdvon> I forgot about the linux one...
[06:00] <rdvon> vlc!
[06:00] <rdvon> of course!
[06:04] <twylight> AHH
[06:04] <awag> hmm, i want to make a recording of my cool compiz-fusion desktop, but xvidcap and recordmydesktop both seem too slow on my machine
[06:05] <twylight> you could always take a bunch of screenshots
[06:05] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: really going to bed now.
[06:05] <Chrisco> Who can suggest the easiest programming language to learn?   RUBY?  PERL?  PYTHON?  I programmed in basic back during the  80s, but am looking for something easy and fun to learn this weekend.   Anyone have thoughts?
[06:05] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: KDE4 is going to be amazing :)
[06:05] <DaSkreech> Chrisco: Binary. it only has two states!
[06:05] <rdvon> awag: I know of a great program.
[06:05] <awag> lol
[06:05] <twylight> Chrisco: RUBY is supposed to be a beauty to use
[06:06] <awag> rdvon, really?
[06:06] <rdvon> yes.
[06:06] <twylight> PERL is supposed to be very functional
[06:06] <rdvon> One sec, forgot the name
[06:06] <twylight> and PYTHON is supposed to be easy to use too
[06:06] <Chrisco> DaSkreech ------     0000000
[06:06] <DaSkreech> !info diveintopython
[06:06] <ubotu> diveintopython: free Python book for experienced programmers. In component main, is optional. Version 5.4-2ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 340 kB, installed size 4220 kB
[06:06] <cs__> arg
[06:06] <DaSkreech> You can apt-get that ^^^
[06:06] <cs__> still stuck in mesa =\
[06:07] <rdvon> awag: istanbul is the name.
[06:07] <rdvon> it's in the synaptic package manager
[06:07] <awag> rdvon, ok sweet i'll check it out
[06:07] <angel> !es
[06:07] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[06:07] <awag> Chrisco, I like java personally
[06:07] <Chrisco> AWAG --- was java easy to learn?
[06:08] <JJtech> hi to all
[06:08] <angel> bye good night an all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:08] <JJtech> im back
[06:08] <angel> brr
[06:08] <rdvon> I'm learning python...
[06:08] <rdvon> slowly yet surely ;)
[06:08] <twylight> java is a mess no matter how you use it
[06:08] <JJtech> i switch back to kubuntu.. i found that it is much nicer than ubuntu..
[06:08] <awag> Chrisco, well I'm by no means a pro at it, still learning myself, but it is pretty straightforward
[06:08] <scrubb> Adept keeps crashing with a SIGABRT error.  Help!
[06:09] <awag> twylight, why do you say that?
[06:09] <awag> lol
[06:09] <rdvon> that's funny, cuz I switched back to ubuntu thinking it was nicer then kubuntu,.
[06:09] <JJtech> lol
[06:09] <JJtech> why said so?
[06:09] <JJtech> rdvon> ???
[06:09] <rdvon> :?
[06:10] <twylight> awag in my experience it's just very messy to deal with
[06:10] <twylight> classes everywhere
[06:10] <scrubb> Anybody?
[06:10] <JJtech> actuall right now im installing from a live CD of Kubuntu
[06:10] <rdvon> I like my default ubuntu :)
[06:10] <twylight> right on JJ