[00:38] <_Sigma_> can anyone help me with an issue to do with using mpiexec over 5 nodes, one of them being ubuntu 14.04 and the others being ubuntu 12.04. my error message is:unrecognized argument usize. does anyone know whats going on, or at least point me in the proper direction
[04:22] <Pinchiukas> Is there a way to make the installation of Ubuntu server smaller and less memory hungry?
[04:31] <histo> Pinchiukas: yes install a minimal system
[04:37] <Pinchiukas> histo: how?
[04:40] <histo> Pinchiukas: expert install, net install, or use debootstrap
[04:40] <histo> !lowmemory | Pinchiukas
[04:48] <Pinchiukas> Is the "Install a command-line system" still available on the installation CDs?
[04:48] <Pinchiukas> I don't remember seeing one and I don't have one on hand.
[04:53] <histo> Pinchiukas: the server install is a command-line system
[04:53] <histo> Pinchiukas: afaik it's only availible on the server and net/mini iso
[04:56] <Pinchiukas> Ok, I'll try that, thanks.
[05:10] <MACscr> wth, why would my ubuntu server keep getting a dhcp address if i have a static one assigned?
[05:11] <MACscr> its very frustrating
[05:13] <MACscr> nvm, for some reason the network manager was installed. i removed it. hopefully that solves it
[06:35] <Sachiru> 0118 999 881 99 9119 725... 3
[07:07] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:09] <kickinz1> morning
[07:11] <lordievader> Hey kickinz1, how are you?
[07:13] <kickinz1> good, and you? your pxe is working right now?
[07:15] <lordievader> kickinz1: Doing good, haven't used PXE in a while but should still be good. (I get the feeling you are confusing me with someone else ;) )
[07:17] <kickinz1> if so sorry ;)
[07:18] <kickinz1> I was wrong yes, but that doesn't matter for the good morning, and the like ;)
[07:19] <lordievader> kickinz1: True, true. Just thought I'd mention it to avoid any further confusion ;)
[08:12] <Braden`> Hello
[08:12] <Braden`> How would I modify /etc/init.d/php5-fpm to always perform "chown www-data.www-data /var/run/php5-fpm.sock" every time "service php5-fpm start" is called?
[08:14] <Sachiru> Query: Why do you want php5-fpm to do that?
[08:15] <Braden`> I noticed that after upgrading ubuntu, the new version of apache fpm actually cares who owns the sock
[08:15] <Braden`> socket
[08:15] <Braden`> I get 500 errors if I don't set the owner
[08:17] <Sachiru> Okay... so why do you need to set the owner every time you start the service?
[08:17] <Sachiru> And not, you know, set it once and be done with it?
[08:17] <Braden`> Because the sock file is destroyed and recreated when the service is restarted
[08:18] <Braden`> and when it is recreated it is owned by root.root
[08:20] <Braden`> Sachiru:  I presume you know how to accomplish what I am wanting, or will you sit there and let me to continue to suffer?
[08:20] <Braden`> :)
[08:20] <histo> Braden`: you've been answered multiple times in #ubuntu
[08:20] <histo> Braden`: that's probably not what you want to do. try adding "listen.owner = www-data" and "listen.group = www-data" to the conf file in /etc/php5/<other
[08:20] <histo>  │                 | stuff here>
[08:20] <histo> from ben64Braden`: that's probably not what you want to do. try adding "listen.owner = www-data" and "listen.group = www-data" to the conf file in /etc/php5/<other
[08:20] <histo>  │                 | stuff here>
[08:21] <Braden`> Oh, I didn't see that
[08:21] <histo> stupid touchpad on this machine.
[08:21] <Braden`> Thank you
[11:21] <dkorras> hi all, please help me. i ahev created a bond interface on my UBuntu machine, but when I ifup bond0 i get the error:  sh: echo I/O error
[11:27] <pmatulis_> morning
[11:28] <dkorras> monring
[11:28] <dkorras> morning
[12:37] <mrfraggs> hi, thers some shell gui tool to configure the interfaces
[12:37] <mrfraggs> whats it called again? i used it (i hope it was on ubuntu and not centos ...)
[13:23] <jamespage> zul, hmm - there is a bug in cloud-archive-backportpackage
[13:23] <jamespage> its generating the changelog against 12.04 for 14.04 targetted packages
[13:23] <zul> jamespage:  erp
[13:24] <zul> jamespage:  ill have a look
[13:24] <jamespage> zul, ta
[13:25] <no_gravity> Shouldnt a change of the A RECORD of a subdomain immediately have an effect? When i dig sub.mydomain.org ... why do i still get the old ip?
[13:29] <rbasak> no_gravity: it's common for DNS responses to be cached.
[13:30] <jamespage> zul, urh - glance is also not backporting from proposed for precise-icehouse - that rings a bell? didn't we have trouble in the lab with that one?
[13:30] <zul> six
[13:30] <no_gravity> rbasak: yeah.. i found out now. 1h ttl.
[13:52] <zul> jamespage:  interesting http://paste.ubuntu.com/7726547/
[13:52] <jamespage> zul, yeah - I think its assuming we are always backporting to precise still
[16:18] <begginner> How do I get the system to mil itself (14.04 LTS)  I installed sSMTP and alpine and can send mail to other machines, but not to itself.
[16:21] <RoyK> begginner: install postfix
[16:27] <begginner> I just installed postfix as you suggested... still no luck.  Where do I look for error messages?
[16:28] <RoyK> begginner: /var/log/mail.*
[16:28] <RoyK> begginner: have you setup a firewall?
[16:30] <begginner> I have not set up a firewall, but the server is behind one (10.17....)
[16:31] <RoyK> begginner: then you need to setup port forwarding somewhere to allow the smtp traffic to enter your machine
[16:35] <begginner> Where can I read about that?  I didn't know the firewall could stop mail from localhost to localhost
[16:35] <RoyK> erm
[16:36] <RoyK> no
[16:36] <RoyK> it can't
[16:36] <RoyK> begginner: so - trying to just 'mail myuser' won't send it?
[16:38] <begginner> instead of silenec I am seeing error messages now in the mail log
[16:41] <RoyK> pastebin that
[16:41] <RoyK> !pastebin | begginner
[16:43] <begginner> Just a second... I'll try that.   But now that I install postfix I can no longer mail off that box to other machines
[16:44] <RoyK> that's wierd indeed
[16:44] <begginner> !pastebinit http://paste.ubuntu.com/7727205/
[16:44] <begginner> I guess I did that wrong
[16:45] <RoyK> caldwell is your username?
[16:46] <RoyK> and add things like postmaster/hostmaster/abuse etc to /etc/aliases and run newaliases to generate the hash
[16:47] <begginner> yes
[16:48] <RoyK> begginner: it's really wierd - never seen this before
[16:50] <begginner> the only line there is "postmaster: root"; do I just set the rest to root?
[16:50] <RoyK> preferably your own user
[16:50] <RoyK> or
[16:50] <RoyK> set them to root and
[16:50] <RoyK> root: youruser
[16:50] <RoyK> that way you get the root mail too
[16:53] <begginner> things might be working...
[16:55] <RoyK> :)
[16:55] <begginner> Thank-you very much...   I check more carefully in awile but I sent mail to myself and another machine...
[16:55] <begginner> bye
[18:46] <bitbyte> Is any one any good with grub available ?
[18:49] <bitbyte> well summary of the issue is on : http://pastebin.com/9rvUhbPv
[18:52] <sarnold> bitbyte: I don't actually see any problems / questions..
[18:54] <bitbyte> sorry most the details are in the pastebin link, i’ve added it in grub and now when the server reboot now bypasses grub and goes straight to booting and still can’t find the keyfile to unlock the encrypted LVM
[18:59] <sarnold> why bother with encrypted filesystems if the key is stored on the machine?
[19:02] <bitbyte> the first I would say its good security practice to have it encrypted, the second I work away alot and oftern need to reboot the server, thirdly this is a dry run for putting the keyfile on a USB stick so the final prodcut is as long as USB is plugged in itll boot into the OS
[19:02] <bitbyte> there are other reasons which i’m not going to get into but for the moment i’m a little stuck with grub
[19:12] <pythonista> Tried to change the mysql directory, cannot get either mysql or apparmor to restart: http://askubuntu.com/questions/490075/error-restarting-apparmor-while-changing-mysql-data-directory
[19:42] <frogblue> 'lo sry to ask but do you know any serious channel where I could have answer with apache2 directives. httpd channel seems like more a bash channel than anything else...
[19:46] <rbasak> !ask|frogblue
[19:47] <frogblue> rbasak, well the question is there, maybe not well written, I concede..
[19:50] <lordievader> frogblue: I guess what rbasak means is that you can ask your apache questions here. Who knows perhaps someone has the answer ;)
[19:51] <frogblue> didn't want to bother you with apache2 questions but if you invite me, ty then
[19:52] <frogblue> I have several vhosts. each sites have an admin backend. I'd like to force http://site/admin to https://site/admin
[19:53] <frogblue> without htaccess
[19:54] <frogblue> I tried redirectmatch but i can only do redirectmatch (.*)/admin https://tld/admin  what i would like to do is something like redirectmatch (.*)/admin https://$1/admin but the backreference doesn't catch the tld aparently
[19:55] <lordievader> frogblue: For as far as I know, what you want can be accomplished with apache's rewrite rules. However, I know next to nothing about apache's rewrite rules. But I'm sure someone else can help you with that ;)
[19:56] <frogblue> so the last answer I had on #httpd was you must not use redirectmatch but you can do what you want to achieve
[19:56] <frogblue> hence my coming here where I regurlarly read more sensible answers :)
[19:56] <frogblue> lordievader, ty
[20:05] <rbasak> frogblue: can you not just do one per domain? Why must your (.*) catch the domain name also?
[20:05] <rbasak> frogblue: you can have per-virtualhost redirects
[20:06] <frogblue> yeah am reading the redirects only right now. of course I can write one line per vhost but am intersting i n knowing if I can use a "catch for all" thing
[20:07] <frogblue> meaning that only file would be needed to force site1/admin site 2/admin... site1000/admin to https://siten/admin
[20:08] <rbasak> I got the impression virtualhost level was the highest level you could go for this sort of thing. But I'm not an expert in this area.
[20:08] <frogblue> same for me :)
[20:10] <SpinDoct0r> Does anybody have an experience troubleshooting 802.3ad network card bonding in Ubuntu Server 14.04 LTS. It claims to be up but will not send traffic.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/7728111/
[20:15] <blaaa> I am thinking about installing some web/php-based management tools (e.g. phpldapadmin)
[20:16] <blaaa> Is it good practice to use the packages in the repositories, or is it better to install packages like this manually into a php-environment (from the repository)
[20:18] <genii> blaaa: Best practice is to use the repository packages, since if there are any crucial security updates, they can be applied.
[20:18] <PryMar56> blaaa, of course the repo packages use standard locations and file extensions. This makes it easy for outsiders to target your setup files and try and get usefil info
[20:20] <frogblue> rbasak, RewriteEngine On
[20:20] <frogblue> RewriteCond %{HTTPS} !=on
[20:20] <frogblue> RewriteRule ^/?administrator(.*) https://%{SERVER_NAME}/administrator/$1 [R,L]
[20:20] <frogblue> this works. tooko me 9 freaking hours to get there...
[20:31] <blaaa> genii: Yes, maintenance-wise it's a bit more straightforward, but If there are any patches, theyr would be easily applied manually to the manual packages as well, maybe even faster if I'd keep a close watch on mailing lists etc
[20:32] <lordievader> blaaa: That's manual work. Why not let apt do the updates for you ;)
[20:32] <blaaa> PryMar56: I suppose using packages like this at all is the greates risk, but managing ldap from the command line can be a pain (for me at least)
[20:32] <lordievader> If I know one thing, its that sysadmins are lazy :P
[20:33] <blaaa> lierdievader: yes, true :)
[20:34] <blaaa> I have picked 14.04 lts for the lts part, so why wouldn;t I use that
[21:55] <Jeeves_Moss> how do I setup circular logging on a bind server for queries
[22:45] <Monotoko> anyone got any idea at all why different servers of mine keep rebooting into memtest?
[22:46] <Monotoko> I can't find any documentation of this behaviour
[22:46] <sarnold> Monotoko: a goofy / broken grub configuration seems likely
[22:47] <Monotoko> sarnold, it just randomly reboots... without me touching it, the one time I've seen it happen it's said "Ctrl Alt Del pressed"
[22:47] <Monotoko> when I reboot it again, it's fine
[22:48] <sarnold> Monotoko: I wonder if some process is writing to /proc/sysrq-trigger
[22:48] <sarnold> Monotoko: or maybe yo'uve got a noisy/busted usb hub or keyboard?
[22:49] <Monotoko> sarnold, it's virtual
[22:49] <Monotoko> no keyboard there to hit
[22:49] <Monotoko> i've only ever had it open when it's done it once
[22:49] <sarnold> Monotoko: on crazy.
[22:49] <sarnold> Monotoko: check the /etc/sysctl.d/10-magic-sysrq.conf file -- you can disable to sysrq interface, that might do the trick
[22:50] <sarnold> Monotoko: but it'd be best to figure out why it's happening. maybe you could use auditd to watch /proc/sysrq-trigger?
[22:50] <Monotoko> il have a look... cheers, it took my primary nameserver out today so I'm just intent on stopping it happening on my important systems atm
[22:50] <sarnold> yikes.
[22:50] <Monotoko> I will see if I can figure out why on a test system
[23:04] <tiblock> Hi. In what version a2ensite/a2dissite/a2enmod/a2dismod scripts was invented? I fail to find that information in google
[23:05] <sarnold> tiblock: they've been there since lucid at least: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=a2ensite&mode=&suite=lucid&arch=any
[23:06] <tiblock> sarnold, thank you
[23:12] <Patrickdk> even longer :)
[23:12] <Patrickdk> they where around in 7.04
[23:13] <sarnold> it feels like they've been around for ever but I don't have the tools or data to figure it out :) heh


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[13:37] <FloMG19> Good afternoon. I hope it's okay if I ask you a quick question about versioning. The channel should fit more than #ubuntu.
[13:37] <FloMG19> I checked out the kernel source for linux-headers-5.4.0-126 on different ways. (Git.. Downloading Deb files from security.ubuntu..) and the Makefile says it's <IP_ADDRESS> I am bit confused as I would expect something like 5.4.126. Also in the modinfo in compiled modules it mentions 5.4.203. Is that right and the compiled modules are going to work with 5.4.0-126?
[13:38] <FloMG19> The reason is that a customer demands a driver binary for that particular kernel version.
[13:40] <tjaalton> FloMG19: 5.4.203 comes from upstream. 5.4.0-126 is the packaging revision
[13:41] <tjaalton> or abi version to be exact
[13:41] <tjaalton> you'd need to rebuild it for every kernel update
[13:41] <tjaalton> which is why dkms is handy
[13:48] <FloMG19> But if the customer demands the module as binary for 5.4.0-126 from us, it's totally fine to check out the ubuntu kernel from git with the appropriate task, make modules_prepare and go for it? I don't have to install Ubuntu in an older version for executing DKMS, right?
[13:52] <FloMG19> For newer kernel versions, I'd do the same. But in this industry (Asterisk/ISDN/Dahdi), it seems to be normal to run on deprecated Linux kernels and to not touch the running system.
[14:02] <FloMG19> Then, thank you very much :) And have a nice afternoon
[14:04] <tjaalton> in that case, yes


[00:00] <idioterna> it's our third year exploring it
[00:00] <idioterna> https://bou.si/pic/batch/kras
[00:00] <kristian1> I recently heard that the hospitality of the Vietnamese has been to the point where they no longer like tourists ... very sad
[00:00] <idioterna> pics
[00:00] <idioterna> yeah i can imagine
[00:00] <idioterna> ljubljana is overflowing with tourists in the summer
[00:00] <idioterna> but not so much the rest of the year
[00:00] <kristian1> are those your pics?
[00:01] <idioterna> yeah
[00:01] <idioterna> from my phone
[00:01] <idioterna> i haven't copied canon's memory card yet
[00:01] <kristian1> stunning landscape, and your family looks nice :)
[00:02] <idioterna> if you ever come during summer, i have to recommend my favourite bicycle ride
[00:02] <idioterna> but you can do it with a car as well
[00:02] <idioterna> or a motorcycle if that's your thing
[00:02] <idioterna> i took my coworker from helsinki
[00:02] <idioterna> https://bou.si/pic/batch/alpe-with-kalle
[00:02] <kristian1> I've not been on a bike for 25 years or so
[00:03] <kristian1> more beautiful landscapes there
[00:03] <kristian1> have you been to Romania? I was surprised that the Carpathians are so prominent and beautiful
[00:04] <idioterna> no, but a guy i know came back two weeks ago and his pics were amazing
[00:04] <idioterna> of the mountain roads mostly
[00:04] <idioterna> i've been to bulgaria, it's very similar
[00:04] <kristian1> also a ton of citadels in the mountains
[00:04] <idioterna> yeah
[00:04] <kristian1> I have been told that, yes
[00:05] <kristian1> it's crazy how we got all these apps and websites to save time
[00:05] <kristian1> and we're total slaves of them
[00:05] <idioterna> hehe
[00:06] <idioterna> well i'm lucky that way
[00:06] <idioterna> i've saved up enough for retirement by the time i was 35
[00:06] <idioterna> so now i just work for fun
[00:06] <idioterna> i've been taking care of my grandma for a couple of years now
[00:06] <kristian1> I can't even afford to die and I'm almost 40 :(
[00:06] <kristian1> https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/13856206?adults=1&children=0&infants=0&toddlers=0&check_in=2018-11-16&check_out=2018-11-19&s=saGOr5P2
[00:06] <kristian1> does that link work?
[00:07] <idioterna> yeah, but it's way outside city center
[00:07] <kristian1> bugger
[00:07] <idioterna> let me find one for you
[00:08] <kristian1> very kind of you
[00:08] <kristian1> I'm looking for something where I don't disturb people if I'm home late ... I won't be partying, but the trips may take a long time
[00:09] <idioterna> https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/15021326?s=eJ1ir4Ph
[00:09] <idioterna> this one is the cheapest i can find in the city centre
[00:10] <kristian1> I need one that is available from the 16th to the 19th
[00:10] <kristian1> sorry I forgot to mention that
[00:10] <kristian1> but dead center is not required ... walking distance would be nice though
[00:11] <kristian1> https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/18120290?adults=1&children=0&infants=0&toddlers=0&check_in=2018-11-16&check_out=2018-11-19&s=saGOr5P2
[00:12] <kristian1> hurm, also looks like it's a bit from the actual town
[00:12] <idioterna> no this is way outside town
[00:12] <idioterna> like 20 minutes with a bike
[00:14] <idioterna> https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/13168644?adults=1&check_in=2018-11-16&check_out=2018-11-19&s=6iRgk_4w is a room in the centre
[00:15] <idioterna> https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/26362715?adults=1&check_in=2018-11-16&check_out=2018-11-19&s=6iRgk_4w looks ok too
[00:15] <kristian1> that's the same link :)
[00:16] <idioterna> no
[00:16] <idioterna> the number is different :)
[00:16] <idioterna> behind rooms/
[00:17] <kristian1> ah!
[00:18] <idioterna> it's weird that for your dates there's a lot less available
[00:19] <kristian1> that's just my famous luck
[00:19] <kristian1> :)
[00:19] <kristian1> "You will get your own set of keys, and you may come and go as you please."
[00:19] <kristian1> but also talk of a baby
[00:20] <idioterna> i don't think the place is set up in a way that they'd be bothered by people coming and going
[00:20] <kristian1> that's not the impression I get either
[00:21] <kristian1> you know how it is when you go on a trip ... sometimes you're home very late
[00:21] <idioterna> yeah i know
[00:21] <idioterna> i've been to airbnbs in copenhagen a lot in the past year
[00:24] <kristian1> it's nice with the metro net that you can stay somewhere like Valby and zoom into Copenhagen fast and cheaply
[00:24] <kristian1> also, center Cph is not really nice
[00:24] <idioterna> yeah it's built up much more than ljubljana
[00:25] <kristian1> dirty, noisy ... aggressive
[00:25] <idioterna> ljubljana is trying hard in the recent years to become greener, but it's always been quite green
[00:25] <kristian1> <-- not much of a Copenhagen fan
[00:25] <idioterna> i really liked roskilde
[00:25] <kristian1> but one thing I should take into consideration is that I don't know this town at all ... so a bit of commute will be an experience
[00:25] <kristian1> Roskilde is nicer
[00:26] <kristian1> do you know Frederiksberg?
[00:26] <idioterna> yeah
[00:26] <idioterna> i've been there for a week in june
[00:26] <kristian1> that's like the nice part of Copenhagen
[00:26] <idioterna> yeah it was much nicer
[00:26] <idioterna> we could keep windows open at night and sleep nice
[00:26] <kristian1> are you aware it's the only part of Copenhagen with a non-socialist mayor?
[00:26] <idioterna> no
[00:26] <kristian1> that's quite funny
[00:27] <kristian1> all big cities are red but Copenhagen is virtually communist
[00:27] <kristian1> lots of corruption scandals recently with their "Enhedslisten" mayors
[00:27] <kristian1> sorry ... I'll shut up about Danish politics now :)
[00:27] <idioterna> i don't mind
[00:28] <idioterna> i'm a communist as well, philosophically
[00:28] <kristian1> well ...
[00:28] <idioterna> well, an anarchist-syndicalist, but those are nuances that are not really important :)
[00:28] <idioterna> but i do agree communism very much lends itself to corruption
[00:29] <kristian1> I've had great pleasure in reading Walter Benjamin, and I think your guy provides some nice commentary ... but I'm opposed to communism as a political system as it has never worked
[00:29] <idioterna> it can't really work without total transparency and very high levels of political engagement
[00:29] <idioterna> well it has worked
[00:29] <kristian1> yeah, and most people don't care and never will
[00:29] <kristian1> I
[00:29] <kristian1> * I'm curious now ... where?
[00:29] <idioterna> but isn't really applicable in most situations
[00:30] <kristian1> Tito?
[00:30] <idioterna> no no god no
[00:30] <idioterna> yugoslavia under tito was a dictatorship
[00:30] <kristian1> I know some people miss him
[00:30] <kristian1> but yes it was
[00:30] <idioterna> well, that's the thing
[00:30] <idioterna> if you're a dictator, you can cater for the part of population that supports you
[00:30] <idioterna> if you're a socialist dictator, you can even be "democratic"
[00:31] <kristian1> he seems to me (as an outsider) to have been the least horrible communist dictator, maybe
[00:31] <idioterna> we didn't need as much repression because the state could let people cross the border to buy stuff in the west
[00:31] <idioterna> and work there and bring money home
[00:31] <idioterna> and people loved the system because "everyone had jobs and housing"
[00:32] <idioterna> but that's not what was happening
[00:32] <idioterna> there were regions that were lagging behind more and more
[00:32] <idioterna> anyway, this is a really long debate we're starting
[00:32] <kristian1> yes, at a bad hour
[00:32] <idioterna> there are a number of small communes that successfully implemented socialist ideas and a communist way of doing governance
[00:33] <idioterna> mostly these were jewish kibbutzes
[00:33] <idioterna> and some spanish villages
[00:33] <kristian1> ah, now I follow your line of thinking
[00:33] <idioterna> there's an interesting experiment going on in northern free syria
[00:33] <idioterna> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Federation_of_Northern_Syria
[00:33] <linkdoggo> ^ Democratic Federation of Northern Syria - Wikipedia https://tinyurl.com/y8ktqady ^
[00:33] <kristian1> for small communities that people can leave if they don't like it ... it may work
[00:34] <idioterna> but i don't think it can last long without a lot of support from outside
[00:34] <idioterna> yeah that's usually the problem
[00:34] <idioterna> people who pull more than their fair share tend to leave because they get a better deal elsewhere
[00:35] <idioterna> slovenia is a kind of a weird country because we've got insanely small income inequality and almost no violent crime to speak of
[00:35] <idioterna> nobody believes anyone else is actually rich
[00:35] <idioterna> and it's kind of true
[00:35] <kristian1> as a nationwide system, communism always relies on violence
[00:35] <idioterna> yeah, it has
[00:35] <kristian1> Denmark is very equal as well
[00:35] <idioterna> and it makes sense, because without repression, there's no incentive to remain a part of it
[00:36] <kristian1> yeah
[00:36] <idioterna> but we now have russian millionaires and english families moving in
[00:36] <idioterna> because it's cheap and we still have an amazing quality of life
[00:37] <idioterna> both work-life balance wise and stuff like health care and crime levels and school system
[00:37] <idioterna> there's problems in all of those areas, but nothing really horrible
[00:37] <kristian1> sorry, did I ask about this one?
[00:37] <kristian1> https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/13856206?adults=1&children=0&infants=0&toddlers=0&check_in=2018-11-16&check_out=2018-11-19&s=saGOr5P2
[00:38] <idioterna> it's about a 15 minute walk
[00:38] <kristian1> that's not too bad
[00:38] <idioterna> no, it's fine
[00:38] <idioterna> looks ok
[00:38] <kristian1> I had the most horrible experience in Warsaw a few years ago
[00:39] <idioterna> with airbnb?
[00:39] <kristian1> I did not read the description properly ... my (dirt cheap) room was behind the bedroom of the host
[00:39] <kristian1> insanely awkward
[00:39] <kristian1> yeah, it was no fault of anyone but me ...
[00:39] <idioterna> well, that depends on how religious they are i suppose :)
[00:40] <idioterna> i hope they didn't keep you awake :)
[00:40] <kristian1> they did not
[00:40] <kristian1> nice people
[00:42] <idioterna> still feels like you have to kiss them good night or something :)
[00:42] <kristian1> yeah
[00:42] <kristian1> I'm that age where you have to go to the bathroom at night
[00:43] <kristian1> especially after a long day of Polish cafés
[00:43] <kristian1> I cringe when I think of that place :)
[00:43] <idioterna> yeah i can imagine
[00:44] <kristian1> sorry, one redundant question
[00:44] <kristian1> https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/18120290?adults=1&children=0&infants=0&toddlers=0&check_in=2018-11-16&check_out=2018-11-19&s=saGOr5P2
[00:44] <kristian1> this one is how far from town center by bus do you think?
[00:44] <idioterna> there's no bus there
[00:45] <idioterna> there's number 12 but it doesn't run on weekends i think
[00:45] <idioterna> and it runs every hour or so
[00:45] <kristian1> "There is bus stop in 3 min from house."
[00:45] <idioterna> yeah, not a good bus
[00:46] <idioterna> maybe i'm biased a bit :)
[00:47] <idioterna> yeah http://www.lpp.si/sites/default/files/lpp_vozniredi/iskalnik/tmp/files/867/12_B_204071.pdf
[00:47] <linkdoggo> ^ https://tinyurl.com/yb7sw7pd ^
[00:48] <idioterna> every 70 minutes
[00:48] <idioterna> bad bus :)
[00:48] <kristian1> https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/13856206?s=51
[00:48] <idioterna> even on workdays it doesn't go frequently
[00:48] <kristian1> I guess this is it
[00:49] <idioterna> this one is much closer
[00:50] <idioterna> it's a 15 minute walk or so
[00:50] <idioterna> not in a very interesting part of town
[00:50] <idioterna> https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/13540105 is like 5 minutes from the center
[00:51] <idioterna> but looks a little shady
[00:51] <pitastrudl> hm ,the owners seem pretty nice
[00:52] <idioterna> https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/11058696
[00:52] <idioterna> this one looks better
[00:53] <kristian1> I was looking at that also
[00:53] <idioterna> they give you a bike, which is great
[00:53] <kristian1> but it looks less private
[00:53] <idioterna> that's true
[00:53] <kristian1> I can barely ride a bike
[00:53] <kristian1> it's not that I don't want people around, I just don't want to be a nuisance
[00:56] <idioterna> https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/21332437 looks fine too
[00:57] <kristian1> ha, that's also one of the first ones I considered
[00:57] <kristian1> but, my line of thinking is ... I go to Venice just before Ljubljana, and Vienna just after ... so I will see plenty of nice places
[00:58] <kristian1> thus, I don't need a beautiful place to stay in Ljubljana
[00:58] <idioterna> well it's close to old town
[00:58] <kristian1> but that last one sure is nice
[00:58] <idioterna> like, inside it :)
[00:58] <idioterna> https://www.airbnb.com/s/homes?refinement_paths%5B%5D=%2Fhomes&query=ljubljana&allow_override%5B%5D=&checkin=2018-11-16&checkout=2018-11-19&zoom=18&search_by_map=true&sw_lat=46.04514798685511&sw_lng=14.501198783992663&ne_lat=46.051604506710056&ne_lng=14.51627279865636&s_tag=zdUQqXm0
[00:59] <idioterna> i don't know what you see on this map
[00:59] <idioterna> but it's right under the castle
[00:59] <kristian1> I understand that much
[00:59] <kristian1> but my budget likes the other one, I guess
[00:59] <kristian1> not that it's a big difference
[00:59] <idioterna> it's 10 euros or something
[01:01] <kristian1> yeah
[01:01] <kristian1> hurm hurm hurm
[01:01] <kristian1> but, you know what?
[01:02] <kristian1> often, I really like staying somewhere a bit obscure ... and see a normal neighbourhood with the shops and stuff
[01:02] <kristian1> the anthropology is better
[01:02] <idioterna> i agree
[01:03] <idioterna> i think you'll see more of what ljubljana is in the one down opekarska street
[01:03] <kristian1> the one I got?
[01:03] <kristian1> I'm starting to get too tired for thinking/typing
[01:03] <idioterna> the "i guess this is it" one yeah
[01:03] <idioterna> https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/13856206?s=51
[01:04] <idioterna> this one
[01:05] <kristian1> yeah, that one
[01:05] <kristian1> also, Milovan has what appears to be a very Slovenian name
[01:05] <kristian1> :)
[01:05] <idioterna> it's a serbian name, actually
[01:05] <idioterna> but we're all brothers :)
[01:06] <kristian1> ah
[01:06] <idioterna> us and serbs, we're both supposed to hate croatians!
[01:06] <idioterna> and apparently we do
[01:06] <kristian1> I understand you have some baggage there but that it's getting better
[01:06] <idioterna> we had wars and border disputes and whatnot not so long ago :)
[01:06] <kristian1> I feel very lucky that we have not fought our neighbours for something like a hundred years
[01:06] <idioterna> well i liked it better in yugoslavia in that regard
[01:07] <kristian1> except the Germans of course, but they took a whooping for it
[01:07] <idioterna> we had no borders and didn't really care about them
[01:07] <kristian1> yeah, that was one thing that worked
[01:07] <idioterna> yeah i've recently seen the movie
[01:07] <kristian1> how old are you?
[01:07] <kristian1> what movie did you see?
[01:07] <idioterna> under sandet
[01:07] <idioterna> i'm ~39
[01:09] <kristian1> ah, the hell with that
[01:09] <kristian1> total revisionism
[01:09] <kristian1> the West is so keen on hating itself that we started to invent historical atrocities
[01:10] <idioterna> you mean what they show in the movie?
[01:10] <idioterna> i didn't think it was an atrocity
[01:10] <idioterna> i mean i find it quite credible, but not really an atrocity
[01:10] <kristian1> it was the British who ordered the German boys to do that stuff, but Copenhagen artists want to show us as war criminals
[01:10] <idioterna> oh
[01:11] <idioterna> yeah, i do find more than a million wehrmacht that were basically starved to death at the rheinlagers an atrocity, but
[01:11] <idioterna> in slovenia, we murdered entire families after the war
[01:11] <kristian1> the movie may work as drama, I have not seen it
[01:11] <idioterna> and didn't really do a very good job in terms of due process :)
[01:11] <idioterna> but after the war, nobody was really interested in that
[01:11] <kristian1> there was a lot of crap in Denmark too
[01:12] <idioterna> we just settled scores
[01:12] <idioterna> mostly personal i suspect
[01:12] <idioterna> the war was brutal and i don't think anyone had second thoughts in the aftermath
[01:13] <idioterna> my grandpas were both part of communist partisans but some from my family ran for their lives so
[01:13] <kristian1> there is a fairly recent Danish war movie that I enjoyed
[01:13] <idioterna> many politicians are still arguing about it though
[01:13] <idioterna> i don't think it's possible to set it right
[01:13] <kristian1> same here ... not as bad as it used to be
[01:14] <kristian1> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_9th_(film)
[01:14] <linkdoggo> ^ April 9th (film) - Wikipedia ^
[01:15] <idioterna> cool, i'll try to find it
[01:15] <idioterna> one thing that still works in slovenia is bittorrent
[01:15] <idioterna> nobody can really prosecute you if you do it
[01:15] <idioterna> not yet anyway
[01:15] <idioterna> the new eu copyright directive is likely to change that
[01:15] <idioterna> and moving to switzerland is pricey :)
[01:16] <idioterna> ok my gf wants me to come sleep
[01:16] <idioterna> later
[01:16] <idioterna> come to this channel or mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:16] <idioterna> we can talk about ljubljana or bled or whatever
[01:16] <idioterna> good night :)
[01:17] <kristian1> I will remember the bittorent part :)
[01:17] <kristian1> thanks for the chat, goodnight
[12:38] <sasa84> jou jou joou
[12:38] <sasa84> ooo t3ch ..dolgo te nismo videli :)
[18:44] <slax0r> https://ptpb.pw/fDxc.png
[18:44] <slax0r> i've done it ^^
[19:07] <zdobbie> ti si najbolj kul tata
[19:52] <CrazyLemon> slax0r done what? put elephants on your wall??
[19:52] <CrazyLemon> kudos!
[21:54] <CrazyLemon> https://i.imgur.com/QGQuDVp.png
[21:54] <CrazyLemon> whats wrong with google