[04:22] <thoreauputic> racookier: check what you have in /etc/resolv.conf
[04:23] <thoreauputic> sounds like a DNS issue, or you can't reach a gateway running a nameserver etc
[04:23] <thoreauputic> also a proxy will confuse apt
[04:23] <Film905> thoreauputic, you took the words right out of my mouth....er off my keyboard
[04:25] <omar> thoreauputic: yes it's updated
[04:27] <thoreauputic> omar: what does "locate flashplayer.xpt"  without  quotes return?
[04:28] <thoreauputic> omar: and/or  locate libflashplayer.so
[04:28] <zeeo> who can help me with my wireless under kubuntu
[04:28] <omar> thoreauputic: /home/omar/.mozilla/plugins/flashplayer.xpt
[04:28] <thoreauputic> omar: and the other one?
[04:28] <zeeo> i keep geting eth1      No scan results
[04:28] <omar> thoreauputic: /home/omar/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[04:29] <thoreauputic> omar: OK - did you install falsh from their website ?
[04:29] <thoreauputic> omar: because those are user specific - so I doubt that flashplayer-nonfree is inatalled
[04:30] <thoreauputic> omar: dpkg -l flashplayer-nonfree | grep ^ii    < -- any output?
[04:30] <omar> thoreauputic: I used apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[04:31] <thoreauputic> bah s/flashplugin-nonfree , sorry
[04:31] <thoreauputic> omar: does  dpkg -l flashplugin-nonfree  produce output?
[04:31] <omar> thoreauputic: what do you mean
[04:31] <thoreauputic> omar: ^^^
[04:32] <omar> thoreauputic: that's a lot
[04:32] <omar> thoreauputic: you want me to write it down
[04:32] <grothesk> Hi!
[04:32] <thoreauputic> omar: a package doesn't put plugins in your home dir - it puts them in the system hierarchy
[04:32] <racokkier2> ok, my resolv.conf has nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
[04:32] <thoreauputic> omar: no, don't paste it
[04:32] <racokkier2> anyway apt cant contact with servers
[04:32] <grothesk> Is compiz/XGL broken at the moment? I can't install it according to the wikis. :-(
[04:33] <omar> thoreauputic: that I got: Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[04:33] <thoreauputic> omar:  what does    dpkg -l flashplugin-nonfree | grep ^ii   say ?
[04:34] <omar> thoreauputic: dpkg -l flashplugin-nonfree | grep ^ii
[04:34] <racokkier2> and ping <IP_ADDRESS>  (network is ureachable)
[04:34] <omar> thoreauputic: ii  flashplugin-nonfree 7.0.68~ubuntu2~dapper1 Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer
[04:34] <thoreauputic> OK it's installed then
[04:35] <thoreauputic> omar: try removing the plugins from ~/.mozilla/plugins ( or just move them)
[04:36] <thoreauputic> racokkier2: can you ping your router/ gateway ?
[04:36] <omar> thoreauputic: removed
[04:36] <zeeo> racokkier2 do a trace route
[04:37] <thoreauputic> omar: restart your browser and try  badgerbadgerbadger.com  :)
[04:38] <omar> thoreauputic: it works nicely
[04:38] <thoreauputic> omar: OK problem solved then :)
[04:38] <omar> thoreauputic: nop.
[04:38] <thoreauputic> omar: ?
[04:38] <omar> thoreauputic: my pages like www.bws.com.pe
[04:38] <omar> thoreauputic: and www.latinka.com do not work still
[04:39] <thoreauputic> omar: are you sure these pages do not require flash 8?
[04:39] <omar> thoreauputic: I am not sure of anything lately my friend
[04:39] <rawrness> I don't like the menu bar thingy size how can i change it?
[04:40] <rawrness> it just takes up to much space
[04:40] <Jucato> latinka.com doesn't work on Konqueror either. but it says it's just using Flash 7
[04:40] <omar> jucato; I am using firefox
[04:40] <LjL> rawrness: system settings, panel
[04:40] <Dr_willis> http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/llama.php         My fave
[04:40] <rawrness> do other sites work on firefox?
[04:41] <Jucato> lol! Dr_willis have you seen the badgers.php?
[04:41] <omar> rawrness: yes
[04:41] <Dr_willis> Yes
[04:41] <Dr_willis> thers a badger wallpaper somewhere thats sort of a DaVinci-Badger
[04:41] <Jucato> heh
[04:41] <rawrness> XD
[04:41] <Film905> Omar: those sites may need a higher version of flash. They work fine for me, but I have my system edited to look like I have flash 9
[04:41] <Jucato> omar: latinka.com works on my Firefox (but not on Konqi)
[04:42] <ubuntu_newbie> has any tried to install sun studio creator?
[04:42] <thoreauputic> :(
[04:42] <omar> rawrness: how can I have my system like yours
[04:42] <rawrness> what you mean like mine?
[04:42] <omar> Film905: sorry , how can I do the same
[04:43] <Jucato> omar: bws.com.pe works
[04:43] <thoreauputic> latinka.com works in firefox here
[04:43] <omar> rawrness: I got confused sorry, with Film905
[04:43] <rawrness> Kk
[04:43] <ubuntu_newbie> moreover, when i try to install i get "The following RPM packages need to be installed: compat-libstdc++, compat-libstdc++-devel"
[04:43] <omar> jucato: yes those used to work
[04:43] <rawrness> understandable ithink....
[04:43] <Jucato> omar: do other Flash sites work?
[04:44] <thoreauputic> meh, the mere idea of having a *whole* site running on flash is obscene....
[04:44] <rawrness> Very
[04:44] <Film905> omar: instructions at http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/08/14/flash-9-for-xubuntu/
[04:45] <ubuntu_newbie> What do ineed to install to get compat-libstdc++, compat-libstdc++-devel|?
[04:45] <Film905> the tweak has worked well for me for about a month. But, as always, use at your own risk
[04:45] <ubuntu_newbie> jucato
[04:46] <omar> jucato: yes always
[04:46] <Jucato> huh?
[04:47] <racokkier2> yes i can ping my gateaway
[04:47] <racokkier2> yes i can ping my gateaway
[04:47] <ubuntu_newbie> can u help me a bit. have you ever installed sun studio creator?
[04:47] <Jucato> ubuntu_newbie: who? me? nope... sorry
[04:48] <ubuntu_newbie> aight, What do ineed to install to get compat-libstdc++, compat-libstdc++-devel|?
[04:49] <Jucato> hm... we don't seem to have those in our repos. we only have libstdc++, no "compat-" stuff
[04:49] <rawrness> ahh hide menu is the koolest thing ever
[04:49] <rawrness> no stupid bar in my way
[04:49] <Jucato> rawrness: what menu?
[04:49] <Jucato> I mean, what bar?
[04:49] <omar> Film905: did it , but nothig
[04:50] <rawrness> the one with the kmenu
[04:50] <Jucato> aaah :)
[04:50] <rawrness> i hate cludder
[04:50] <rawrness> but love shortcuts
[04:50] <neuron> my keyboard doesnt work anymore when i try to run ubuntu in normal mode, but it does in recovery mode, i can even startx and it works, i just saw something in my Xlog
[04:51] <neuron> "(WW) Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap"
[04:51] <rawrness> weridness.....
[04:52] <omar> Film905: do u think is a good idea to remove firefox and get it back
[04:52] <racokkier2> yes i can ping my gateaway but nothing more that local addresses
[04:52] <rawrness> what was the keyboard shortcut for resoultion
[04:53] <Dr_willis> rawrness,  you mean alt-ctrl-NUMPAD + and - ?
[04:53] <rawrness> ahh
[04:53] <racokkier2> ping www.ubuntu.com (unknown host)
[04:53] <thoreauputic> racokkier2: and you are sure your nameservers are correct? Can you ping <IP_ADDRESS>  ?
[04:54] <rawrness> ah i iknow why icoun't get it to work right
[04:54] <rawrness> stupid 10 $ wireless keyboard
[04:54] <rawrness> il just change the res. thingy in the file
[04:55] <rawrness> and hope i don't screw it up this time
[04:56] <racokkier2> in other computers i can ping <IP_ADDRESS> but here no
[04:56] <rawrness> btw how can i make a program start on startup
[04:57] <thoreauputic> racokkier2: other computers on the same network? Same subnet?
[04:57] <Jucato> rawrness: create a link in ~/.kde/Autostart
[04:57] <Dr_willis> rawrness,  depends on what you are wanting to start also...
[04:58] <xwolf-> how can i open gnome sessions with the same installation i am using now?
[04:58] <Dr_willis> xwolf-,  huh?
[04:59] <steveire> Hey, A few days ago a compiz icon appeared in the bottom right of my screen which was handy for turning it on/off, now it's disappeared again. Any idea what gives?
[04:59] <thoreauputic> xwolf-: umm - install ubuntu-desktop
[04:59] <racokkier2> yes same subnet
[04:59] <xwolf-> thoreauputic just that?
[04:59] <steveire> Also, since installing acroread, that has become the default application for pdfs. How do I change that back to kpdf?
[04:59] <thoreauputic> racokkier2: well, I'm puzzled - did you try pinging other iPs like <IP_ADDRESS> (google)
[05:00] <thoreauputic> xwolf-: yes - it will install gnome, and you can choose it on login, or choose KDE etc
[05:00] <Jucato> steveire: in Konqueror > Settings menu > Configure Konqueror > File Associations
[05:00] <xwolf-> thoreauputic great, ok.
[05:00] <xwolf-> thank you
[05:00] <thoreauputic> xwolf-: no problem :)
[05:00] <Jucato> xwolf-: I'd suggest using "sudo aptitude update" then "sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop" to do that
[05:01] <xwolf-> how about using adept for that, Jucato?
[05:01] <Jucato> if you have plans of removing GNOME in the future
[05:01] <Jucato> xwolf-: hm.. Adept...
[05:01] <Jucato> xwolf-: aptitude has this nice feature that it will remove whatever was installed with a package, IF you installed it with aptitude
[05:01] <steveire> Jucato: done on the second point, cheers. Any idea on the first point?
[05:02] <xwolf-> i'm not gonna do it right away, just considering the facts on using different window managers
[05:02] <Jucato> steveire: no idea, sorry
[05:02] <Jucato> xwolf-: ok. just thought you'd like to consider that :)
[05:04] <racokkier2> any idea about ???
[05:04] <xwolf-> already done that, thank you
[05:06] <rawrness> peoples perfereces:  high res or low res?
[05:07] <racokkier2> or one command to configure net
[05:07] <racokkier2> net-config or something
[05:08] <rawrness> Weirdness konquoror just opened 18 windows
[05:09] <Jucato> O_O
[05:12] <thoreauputic> racokkier2:  have a look at  man interfaces
[05:12] <thoreauputic> racokkier2: and  man resolv.conf
[05:13] <jpiccolo_> native rez
[05:20] <rawrness> I have noticed that my cd drives don't like to manuely open with the button
[05:20] <rawrness> i have to click the eject icon....
[05:20] <rawrness> half the time
[05:21] <Film905> On my laptop the cd drive will not open manually if the media is mounted.
[05:21] <rawrness> strange........
[05:22] <Film905> I have to umount and then it will open. or I have click eject
[05:22] <Jucato> rawrness: try to close any app/tab that has accessed the media
[05:22] <neuron> got a problem with my keyboard, it stops responding when i kdm starts, this doest happen in recovery mode tho
[05:23] <rawrness> then how ar eyou typing?
[05:23] <rawrness> ???
[05:23] <neuron> i cant type my password in, and i figured that it stops running becouse i was spamming numlock, and when kdm started it stop working
[05:23] <neuron> im in recovery mode
[05:23] <rawrness> ah
[05:24] <neuron> keyboard under kdm works in recovery mode
[05:25] <steveire> What do I use to view a dvi file? It previews in konqueror, but doesn't open in kpdf.
[05:26] <Jucato> steveire: try kghostview. I think that's installed by default
[05:26] <kesara> How can I get a 686 kernel with smp support without manually configuring?
[05:27] <kesara> Actually what is the name of the pkg that I need to install?
[05:27] <steveire> Doesn't open it for me anyway.
[05:28] <Jucato> steveire: can you check what Konqueror is using to preview the file? Right-click on the file and see what Preview with _____ says
[05:29] <steveire> I mean the icon is a mini version of the file. Right click doesn't give any preview option.
[05:31] <sam_> hey... any guys here not how to use patch and diff to patch files?
[05:32] <Jucato> steveire: that's strange...
[05:32] <steveire> indeed.
[05:33] <Jucato> hm... what type of a file is a .dvi?
[05:33] <Jucato> video?
[05:33] <steveire> I've messed with konq before though, and set html files to be associated with Kate. No I can't use it as a browser. I'm going to do a clean edgy install in a few weeks and get everything right this time.
[05:34] <steveire> Jucato: I can open it with xdvi
[05:35] <Jucato> it's a LaTeX file?
[05:35] <steveire> yes, it is.
[05:36] <Jucato> ah
[05:38] <sanpi> join c
[05:55] <Film905> any suggestions on pod/vidcast clients for linux?
[05:56] <abattoir> Amarok(the default music player) is a pretty nifty podcasting client
[05:56] <abattoir> Film905: ^^^^
[05:57] <Film905> outstanding. I didn't realize it had that capability..
[05:57] <Rambo3> zencast
[05:58] <abattoir> Film905: you'd be amazed by what it can do ;)
[06:01] <susu> hay
[06:01] <Kubu> is there any program like DOWNLOAD accelerator Plus for ubuntu?
[06:02] <claydoh> kget, d4x
[06:02] <abattoir> Kubu: kget ?
[06:02] <abattoir> hah :P
[06:07] <lupine_85> !kget
[06:07] <ubotu> kget: download manager for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu6.2 (dapper), package size 425 kB, installed size 1164 kB
[06:07] <lupine_85> :/
[06:07] <lupine_85> !wget
[06:07] <ubotu> wget: retrieves files from the web. In component main, is standard. Version 1.10.2-1ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 225 kB, installed size 1952 kB
[06:07] <lupine_85> ++
[06:09] <dimsuz> hi guys! Yesterday I noticed that something eats my dialup traffic. Soon I discovered that this is some cron job running apt. Wtf? Can I disable this behind-the-scenes downloading?
[06:10] <lupine_85> dimsuz: sudo crontab -e ?
[06:10] <lupine_85> it might be in there
[06:10] <lupine_85> if not, check your cron.daily, cron.weekly, etc directories
[06:11] <dimsuz> lupine_85: I just did it. Can't find. I recall this script called smth like "res...." Well, maybe I missed it. I'll look closer...
[06:12] <h3sp4wn> dimsuz: have you installed cron-apt ?
[06:14] <dimsuz> h3sp4wn: hm. no idea. not manually in any case. maybe as a part of dist-upgrade... how to check?
[06:15] <h3sp4wn> aptitude show cron-apt | grep -i installed
[06:15] <claydoh> could it be adept-updater?
[06:15] <abattoir> !info kitty
[06:15] <ubotu> Package kitty does not exist in any distro I know
[06:15] <abattoir> !info kitty edgy
[06:15] <ubotu> kitty: a Qt/KDE based RSS podcast and video aggregator. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.2-2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 246 kB, installed size 648 kB
[06:16] <abattoir> Film905: there doesnt seem to be a packge for it in the repos, I guess you'll have to download and compile it manually
[06:16] <dimsuz> h3sp4wn: State: not installed
[06:17] <h3sp4wn> dimsuz: I suppose it could be adept-updater (remove adept and adept-updater)
[06:17] <dimsuz> h3sp4wn: they weren't running for sure...
[06:18] <h3sp4wn> no idea then (I would remove them anyway)(
[06:18] <dimsuz> h3sp4wn: i looked at process tree with ksysguard and it looked like: sh->anacron->resXXXXX->apt->http IIRC
[06:18] <dimsuz> h3sp4wn: :)
[06:19] <dimsuz> h3sp4wn: then I just killed apt and all returned to normal
[06:19] <dimsuz> h3sp4wn: thanks for help!
[06:20] <Kubu> por que no tengo permisos para instalar el driver de la impresora?
[06:20] <h3sp4wn> dimsuz: I still think it would be the adept updator
[06:21] <dimsuz> h3sp4wn: ok, I'll check it out
[06:22] <Film905> ls
[06:22] <JohnFlux> !mp3
[06:22] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:25] <paco> hi
[06:25] <Ghostrider> hello
[06:26] <paco> anybody know if xgl run under kubuntu edgy
[06:26] <paco> ??
[06:26] <Ghostrider> I've got a question about kubuntu: how do I need to format my partitions for it?
[06:27] <segfault_> Ghostrider, one large partition mounted at / and a swap partition is likely suficient
[06:28] <abattoir> paco: yes, i've heard of people running it under both dapper and edgy
[06:28] <abattoir> !xgl
[06:28] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[06:28] <abattoir> paco: ^^^ might help you
[06:29] <Ghostrider> at the moment I've got a large windows partition and a large linux partition (linux is not installed yet)
[06:29] <azzgor> i got a problem, my keyboards doesnt work anymore after kdm starts, its like it got plugged out
[06:30] <segfault_> Ghostrider, add a swap partition for linux to that and u should be fine
[06:30] <Ghostrider> ok thanx
[06:30] <segfault_> np
[06:30] <Ghostrider> does it need to be a primary or an extended?
[06:31] <segfault_> doesnt matter
[06:31] <Ghostrider> ok
[06:31] <Ghostrider> bye
[06:37] <paco> thanks ubotu
[06:42] <|lostbyte|> Hi guys.
[06:44] <adam__> hi there
[06:45] <adam__> can i safely cancel adept update process and continue it later on ?
[06:45] <adam__> the packages are still downloading
[06:46] <seumas> I had to unplug all of my drives except cdrom and one drive to get Ubuntu installed. Now that it's installed, should I be able to plug the other SATA drives in and expect it to automatically choose the right boot drive?
[06:47] <sakitel> hi everybody
[06:47] <sakitel> my problem is i can't use the spellcheck from openoffice in my language(spanish)
[06:49] <adam__> is there anyone who knows the answer ?
[06:51] <seumas> adam_: I can't speak to adpet specifically, but I think it should be safe if it's just downloading (they don't install until everything in that session has downloaded). HOWEVER, you might have a problem if something has already downloaded that depends on the package that isn't yet finished downloading... Haven't ever actually done that myself though, so hopefully someone who HAS can say for sure.
[06:52] <seumas> adam_: I think apt-get and aptitude would let you cancel out of the whole process, so if downloading is still occurring - NOTHING gets installed. Even already downloaded stuff. But I just don't know about adept.
[06:59] <mrbrdo> how can you change a certain line in a text file in one line (without tools like nano, vim..) - only change a certain line by one-line command
[06:59] <zorglu_> mrbrdo: by doing a real complex, unreadable bash shell
[07:00] <zorglu_> and i forgot unmaintainable :)
[07:00] <mrbrdo> :P
[07:00] <mrbrdo> so it's not possible an easy way?
[07:00] <zorglu_> or you put this script in a file and then execute the script :)
[07:01] <zorglu_> no trivial way, as far as i know
[07:02] <trappist> example?
[07:02] <seumas> You could probably do something with sed and the substitute command if you know exactly what content you want to replace.
[07:02] <trappist> you could say: perl -pi -e 's/this/that/' filename
[07:02] <seumas> or do the same thing with sed without loading perl. ;)
[07:03] <Celeste> hi
[07:03] <seumas> Of course, I'm not sure how (simply) you could make sure it only changes ONE line and not every line that matches, via sed.
[07:03] <mrbrdo> i can use ASP only
[07:03] <zorglu_> ASP=?
[07:03] <seumas> You must drink a lot.
[07:04] <mrbrdo> yeah
[07:04] <mrbrdo> lol
[07:04] <mrbrdo> brb
[07:04] <zorglu_> anybody what he meant by ASP?
[07:04] <trappist> I guess active server pages
[07:04] <seumas> Not sure why you'd use ASP to edit a line in a file from the command line....
[07:04] <trappist> yeah prolly not.  certainly not in linux :)
[07:05] <h3sp4wn> There is a program for using asp in linux (forget the name of it - was included with cobalt raq / cubes)
[07:05] <zorglu_> oh this is a microsoft thing for doing web, correct ?
[07:06] <trappist> h3sp4wn: nowadays I think it's called sunone asp.  sun bought it from chilisoft
[07:06] <mrbrdo> yeah
[07:06] <mrbrdo> actually
[07:06] <mrbrdo> pretty weird
[07:06] <mrbrdo> Linksys WRT54G runs on Linux
[07:06] <seumas> Whoa, I didn't know that.
[07:06] <mrbrdo> and it uses ASP
[07:06] <CainMadness> How would I access the music files on my hard drive? My brother-in-law partitioned the drive I'm running Linux on, and the music wasn't put into the partition with Linux, and I can't seem to access the other partition through any of my media players.
[07:06] <seumas> And I'm a Sun engineer :)
[07:07] <danbuntu> cain mount the partition
[07:07] <h3sp4wn> mrbrdo: v5/v6/v7 uses vxworks
[07:07] <seumas> CainMadness: You should be abut to mount the drive and (at least) read it.
[07:07] <trappist> seumas: http://www.sun.com/software/chilisoft/
[07:07] <CainMadness> Hmm.
[07:07] <mrbrdo> nah mine is still on linux :)
[07:07] <mrbrdo> v2 i think
[07:07] <mrbrdo> anyway, brb
[07:07] <CainMadness> And how would I mount it in Linux?
[07:08] <seumas> CainMadness: I don't know how to do that with the kde interface, but just 'man mount' from the command line and it should get you going. Then you can play with automount to keep it always loading.
[07:08] <CainMadness> Mmk.
[07:08] <Dr_willis> mount what?
[07:09] <CainMadness> Other partition on the drive I'm using.
[07:09] <Dr_willis> it a ntfs/windows parttion?
[07:09] <Dr_willis> if so,..,
[07:09] <Dr_willis> Defacto NTFS (and works for Vfat as well) guide for your Fstab/mounting of NTFS partitions -->  http://wiki.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfs-en#how_do_i_mount_an_ntfs_volume
[07:09] <CainMadness> I'm using a dual boot. On the first drive is NTFS with windows. On the second drive, is Kubuntu and FAT32, with the music in the other partition n this drive.
[07:10] <CainMadness> So first drive doesn't matter.
[07:10] <Dr_willis> edit the fstab. make an entry for the new drive. Be sure to make the mountpoiint first. and if its ntfs/fat32 be sure to use the right umask= options
[07:11] <zorglu_> fat32 is the name for linux too ?
[07:11] <trappist> vfat
[07:12] <zorglu_> pl
[07:12] <zorglu_> ok
[07:12] <Dr_willis> vfat is the filesystem for the fat32 variants. :P
[07:13] <Dr_willis> from my fstab -->   /dev/hda1       /media/hda1     ntfs    defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[07:13] <CainMadness> kk
[07:17] <gissi> Anyone tried to compile the Asterisk 1.4 beta2 on Ubuntu already?
[07:18] <emilio> hi
[07:18] <jatos__> hi
[07:19] <main2> i got a nvidia 6800 with 128MB, can i use my 20" TFT on the 1680x1050 resolution?
[07:20] <h3sp4wn> !fixres
[07:20] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:21] <zorglu_> q. is there a bot command to perform search on the help.ubuntu.com ?
[07:23] <h3sp4wn> Not as far as I know - There is not even a plain text version of the docs on there
[07:25] <zorglu_> too bad
[07:26] <h3sp4wn> I tried stripping the html tags from it once but its got too much javascript etc for me to do it quickly
[07:28] <igor> I have a question too, funny how to keep my Konvesation program allways on top? :)
[07:29] <zorglu_> igor: alt f3 -> advanced -> always on top
[07:29] <zorglu_> keep above other i meant
[07:32] <sakitel> #kubuntu-es
[07:32] <sakitel> join #kubuntu-es
[07:33] <igor> at least :), thanks zorglu_, any suggestions on best linux audio player?
[07:33] <h3sp4wn> igor: amarok or moc
[07:33] <Mortice> amarok. hands down.
[07:33] <zorglu_> best is subgective, amarok is popular
[07:33] <zorglu_> require a huge amount of memory but looks nice on the screen
[07:33] <h3sp4wn> moc is good if you are not running X (the executavle is mocp)
[07:34] <fdoving> !info mpd
[07:34] <ubotu> mpd: Music Player Daemon, the name says it all. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.11.5-5.1 (dapper), package size 96 kB, installed size 332 kB
[07:34] <igor> how about something similar to WinAmp? :)I tried Amarok, yaak
[07:34] <fdoving> igor: beep-media-player
[07:34] <zorglu_> xmms ?
[07:34] <t_> hi. question: i installed fresh kubuntu desktop and amarok doesn`t want to read ogg music. what`s wrong?
[07:34] <zorglu_> t_: can you hear any sound , beside not the one of amarok
[07:35] <seumas> t_: Are you sure it can't read it? Or is it just not playing it to your sound card? That is -- if you look at the visualization thingy, does it look like it's playing something?
[07:35] <t_> zorglu- yes, with ubuntu start etc.
[07:36] <t_> seumas - visualisation is still
[07:36] <seumas> t_: Because I had exactly that problem. The only way I found to fix it was to install Ubuntu, then install the kubuntu-desktop package on top of it. :(
[07:36] <zorglu_> t_: oh check the internal volume of amarok ?
[07:37] <t_> in amarok litlle (winampy) windows is`nt even name of the song even if i double clicked the file
[07:37] <t_> i use the oggs from xiph.org
[07:39] <t_> i click the file .ogg, and amarok starts, but there is no song name in amarok
[07:39] <seumas> t_: If you check the amarok configuration, does it have an "engine" selected? Should be Xine by default, I believe.
[07:40] <t_> yes it is
[07:41] <t_> it`s fresh system, i only configured the internet connection
[07:42] <t_> the movie with Mandela in koffeine works with sound
[07:43] <t_> it`s problemm with amarok
[07:43] <t_> hm
[07:43] <t_> the oggs work with koffeine
[07:46] <Dr_willis> Darn it - where is it that you can get a list of all the KIOSlaves - like  apt:\ and fish:\   ( i think thats the riht term)
[07:46] <Dr_willis> i found it once...
[07:46] <abattoir> Dr_willis: its in Khelpcenter
[07:46] <abattoir> Dr_willis: Kmenu->Help
[07:47] <fdoving> Dr_willis: you can use kinfocenter -> protocols.
[07:47] <Dr_willis> there it is. :P
[07:47] <h3sp4wn> Does anyone know all the different options for starting and stopping things with dcop ?
[07:48] <fdoving> h3sp4wn: like 'kdcop' lists them?
[07:49] <ubuntu_newbie> hey hey
[07:49] <h3sp4wn> fdoving: for example dcop dcop kicker restart (just some doc's about the options for that command)
[07:49] <ubuntu_newbie> is there an installer for compat-libstdc++ on Ubuntu?
[07:50] <fdoving> h3sp4wn: i doubt they are documented anywhere.
[07:50] <Dr_willis> There is no documentation available for /kio_apt/index.html.  - lol! someone better get writing some docs! :p
[07:50] <ubuntu_newbie> I'm trying to get Sun Creator Java studio installed
[07:51] <TheGateKeeper_> amazing how much crap comes up when you kioslaves into google
[07:52] <ubuntu_newbie> http://my.opera.com/vetler/blog/show.dml/148576
[07:52] <ubuntu_newbie> Never mind :)
[07:52] <ubuntu_newbie> !compat-libstdc++
[07:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about compat-libstdc++ - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:53] <voraistos-> Hey. So, as i promised, reiserFS = ????
[07:53] <ubuntu_newbie> !thanks
[07:53] <ubotu> Thanks for the help!
[07:54] <ubuntu_newbie> !FISHING
[07:54] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops
[07:54] <ubuntu_newbie> !windows
[07:54] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. Also see http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 - !equivalents - http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[07:54] <voraistos-> much faster. very happy i tried that. And, by the way, i tried kubuntu as well. Good Bye gnome. Sorry about that ;)
[07:56] <zorglu_> http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 is so fun
[08:02] <stephan> lol
[08:04] <t_> if anyome know the answer for question: how to run amarok (it even doesn`t shows the song name in itself after double click on file) then i`m listenning
[08:04] <voraistos-> hey guys, i just installed kubuntu, and i was wondering, to install extra codecs, flash and stuff, do i have to do it the ubuntugnome way ?
[08:05] <abattoir> t_: is amarok loaded? do you see it?
[08:05] <abattoir> voraistos-: there are some variations...
[08:05] <abattoir> !mp3
[08:05] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:05] <abattoir> voraistos-: ^^^ the first link should help
[08:06] <voraistos-> what about the variations? 8is it included?)(hmm... ill suppose so)
[08:06] <abattoir> voraistos-: well, for mp3 support, in gnome i guess you had to install gstreamer stuff
[08:07] <abattoir> voraistos-: here you'd nee libxine-extracodecs
[08:07] <abattoir> voraistos-: the flash package is same, but you'd have to explicitly 'enable' it in konqueror
[08:07] <abattoir> *need
[08:07] <voraistos-> ok. i know about xine
[08:08] <t_> abattoir - sorry
[08:08] <t_> yes it`s loaded
[08:08] <t_> i can see it
[08:08] <t_> the visualisation is still on 0
[08:08] <abattoir> t_: is the file an mp3 file? do you have the relevant codecs installed?
[08:08] <t_> it`s ogg vorbis
[08:09] <abattoir> t_: hmm, is it added to the playlist?
[08:09] <voraistos-> they talk a lot about ogg theora, but no Xvid? u know why ?
[08:09] <abattoir> who? :P
[08:09] <abattoir> maybe because Ogg theora is a free format and Xvid is a restricted one?
[08:10] <voraistos-> ubuntu forums and wiki ...
[08:10] <voraistos-> i dont think xvid is restricted
[08:10] <t_> abattoir - yes
[08:10] <t_> the koffeine works ok with this file
[08:10] <t_> it`s the canon ogg from xiph.org
[08:10] <voraistos-> xvid is GPL2
[08:11] <seumas> Erm... xvid is GPL
[08:11] <abattoir> t_: hmm, which version of amarok do you have?
[08:12] <abattoir> aah, its DivX which is protected, isnt it...
[08:12] <t_> abattoir - how to check?
[08:12] <seumas> Yeah. divx is also that crappy self-destruct rental thing that bombed :)
[08:12] <erik_[NL] > hi all :D
[08:12] <abattoir> t_: Help->About amarok
[08:13] <trappist> seumas: hah I remember that.  that was fun.
[08:13] <t_> abattoir - 1.3.9
[08:13] <erik_[NL] > finaly got Opera with Flashplayer plugin, on my amd64 kUbuntu, but how do i install a realplayer plugin?
[08:15] <erik_[NL] > the flash player sux btw
[08:16] <voraistos-> what? gnash ?
[08:16] <abattoir> t_: 1.4.3 is the latest version, do you want to upgrade to that to see if it works?
[08:16] <seumas> We're always a good two versions behidn the real flash. :)
[08:16] <abattoir> t_: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.3.php
[08:18] <trappist> seumas: supposedly not for long.
[08:18] <seumas> When the linux team at adobe releases the linux flash plugin, is that going to be the latest version to match the windows/osx versions?
[08:19] <voraistos-> hmmmm
[08:19] <seumas> I presumed it would probably just be an "official" lagging distribution. :)
[08:19] <stu_> I need to burn an ISO - what should I use please?
[08:19] <voraistos-> we do dream too
[08:19] <seumas> stu_: erm.. k3b... probably already installed.
[08:19] <erik_[NL] > and another thing, when i add: deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu dapper-commercial main to my repository, nothing happens when i update :(
[08:20] <stu_> thanks
[08:20] <TheGateKeeper_> erik_[NL] :
[08:20] <TheGateKeeper_> wget -c http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/r/realplay/realplayer_10.0.7-0.0_i386.deb
[08:20] <TheGateKeeper_> sudo dpkg -i realplayer_10.0.7-0.0_i386.deb
[08:21] <t_> abattoir - i use the two first codes from site you gave me
[08:21] <t_> abattoir - but how to install the new amarok itself?
[08:22] <erik_[NL] > THNX TheGateKeeper :D
[08:24] <erik_[NL] > TheGateKeeper, is there a amd64 build for that? or do i use the --force-architecture command
[08:25] <abattoir> t_: open adept, then go to Manage Repositories
[08:25] <h3sp4wn> !dapper-commercial
[08:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dapper-commercial - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:25] <abattoir> t_: there add the 'deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-143 dapper main' line
[08:25] <t_> abattoir - ok
[08:25] <abattoir> t_: after that click apply, close and then fetch updates
[08:26] <abattoir> t_: search for amarok, it should say 'Upgradable', click on it and upgrade :)
[08:26] <voraistos-> is libxine-extracodecs still in the repos ? cant find it after enabling everything :(
[08:26] <t_> abattoir - i thought it would be something like this
[08:26] <t_> abattoir - thanks Frenchman
[08:26] <abattoir> t_: heh :P
[08:26] <abattoir> voraistos-: its in multiverse
[08:26] <abattoir> voraistos-: you'd have to 'add' that
[08:26] <abattoir> !multiverse
[08:26] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[08:27] <abattoir> voraistos-: ^^^
[08:27] <h3sp4wn> !info libxine-extracodecs
[08:27] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), package size 1148 kB, installed size 2976 kB
[08:27] <voraistos-> well, i am not knew to ubuntu, what i mean is multiverse "should be" enabled, since i just enabled it ;)
[08:27] <h3sp4wn> well its not
[08:28] <voraistos-> hmm... ill try that the vim way
[08:29] <abattoir> voraistos-: check if you enabled it agains dapper-backports, rather than dapper
[08:29] <t_> abattoir - (for me) it`s strange- i don`t have amarok-engines installed
[08:29] <abattoir> and also make sure you fetched updates :)
[08:30] <abattoir> t_: aah, that must be, strange that i didnt think of it :(
[08:30] <abattoir> but then, i'm so tired :(
[08:30] <abattoir> *that must be it
[08:30] <abattoir> t_: try installint the metapackage along with the amarok-xine engine
[08:31] <voraistos-> ok. i found my problem. original sources.list was incomplete. however i just took a look at the link u gave me, what is the canonical commercial repo?
[08:34] <voraistos-> damn. all those french guys....
[08:35] <TheGateKeeper_> where is the printer que?
[08:35] <t_> when i try to install this strange part of amarok- there is "there was an error commiting changes. possibly there was a problem."
[08:39] <tr0g> will someone help me
[08:39] <tr0g> please
[08:39] <TheGateKeeper_> np I found it
[08:39] <tr0g> I installed kub  and my monitor went black
[08:40] <tr0g> is there another linux gui that i can install
[08:40] <tr0g> im running gentoo right now, but all I have it a command prompt  livedcd root
[08:40] <tr0g> anyone???
[08:40] <t_> what is the open source alternative for adobe flash?
[08:41] <LeeJunFan> tr0g: it sounds more like an X error that any gui you install will suffer from.
[08:41] <TheGateKeeper_> tr0g: installed kubuntu?
[08:52] <ConsoleFx> i am getting this error message when i am clicking the deb file directly...
[08:53] <ConsoleFx> the utitility is not in your path...
[08:53] <ConsoleFx> plz install it or contact your system administrator...
[08:53] <ConsoleFx> whats the prob..
[08:53] <ConsoleFx> i am geting this error in aptget..
[08:53] <ConsoleFx> i am unable to install any deb :(
[08:54] <ConsoleFx> and after that i tried in another way too... sudo dpkg -i package.deb .. but still i am getiing the following error -> dpkg-deb: `libxine-extracodecs_1.1.1+ubuntu1-2_i386.deb' is not a debian format archive
[08:54] <ConsoleFx> dpkg: error processing libxine-extracodecs_1.1.1+ubuntu1-2_i386.deb (--install):
[08:54] <ConsoleFx>  subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2
[08:55] <ConsoleFx> why its happenning??
[08:55] <ConsoleFx> how i can install deb apps then :shocked:
[08:55] <Conhe> HOWTO run program in cobol?
[08:55] <ConsoleFx> plz help
[08:56] <Conhe> SMB connection failed
[08:56] <Conhe> =\
[08:57] <ConsoleFx> why all are silent here..
[08:57] <ConsoleFx> :o
[08:57] <ConsoleFx> :(
[08:57] <claydoh> ConsoleFx: some of us are doing other things :)
[08:57] <claydoh> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats#head-c675e53915a0137a1c1e61237d136910f3966486
[08:57] <claydoh> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[08:58] <claydoh> use the package manager, you probably have corrupted downlods
[08:58] <ConsoleFx> i know how to install apps.. but i am getting these errors :( why?? i think it shouldn't show these errors..
[08:58] <|lostbyte|> Today is googles birthday.. :)
[08:58] <ConsoleFx> nope claydoh.. i have checked its md5 too
[08:58] <ConsoleFx> its all correct
[08:58] <ConsoleFx> plz help
[08:58] <Conhe> HOWTO run program in cobol?
[08:59] <claydoh> so use  Adept or apt-get after enabling the proper repositories
[08:59] <t_> this problemm with amarok - it reads FLACs, but not ogg. :D :D :D
[08:59] <claydoh> works fine for ogg for me
[09:00] <ConsoleFx> ya i used apt-get -install pack.deb and enter and i m getting this error Reading package lists... Done
[09:00] <ConsoleFx> Building dependency tree... Done
[09:00] <ConsoleFx> E: Couldn't find package libxine.deb
[09:00] <ConsoleFx> so what i will do now :(
[09:00] <akus> jest tu ktos z polski
[09:00] <claydoh> 'sudo apt -get install libxine-extracodecs'
[09:00] <ConsoleFx> i am very worried
[09:00] <claydoh> 'sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs'
[09:01] <ConsoleFx> i used it too...
[09:01] <claydoh> did  you enable the extra repositories, then run 'sudo apt-get update'?
[09:02] <ConsoleFx> root@exploit-laptop:/home/exploit/Desktop/# apt-get install libxine.deb
[09:02] <ConsoleFx> ya..
[09:02] <ConsoleFx> wll how to enable tthe extra repositories..
[09:02] <ConsoleFx> @ claydoh
[09:02] <ConsoleFx> ?
[09:02] <claydoh> see my links above
[09:02] <ConsoleFx> k
[09:03] <t_> what is good source for vorbis/flac torrents?
[09:03] <ConsoleFx> is it?? -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:03] <ConsoleFx> ??
[09:03] <ConsoleFx> claydoh
[09:03] <ConsoleFx> ?
[09:03] <ConsoleFx> ya claydoh i also did it :(
[09:04] <claydoh> then run this command exactly: 'sudo apt-get update'
[09:04] <claydoh> then try this exactly:
[09:04] <t_> i can`t find torrent flacs for backstreet boys :/ :D
[09:04] <claydoh> 'sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs'
[09:05] <claydoh> then post any error messages if you get em
[09:05] <ConsoleFx> okie
[09:05] <claydoh> usue http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ if you have to paste a lot of text
[09:05] <ConsoleFx> do i need to give ' mark  in the commands?
[09:05] <claydoh> nope
[09:05] <ConsoleFx> k
[09:06] <claydoh> sorry, forgot that  wa there on my clipboard
[09:09] <seb__> Hello all.
[09:10] <seb__> Is there somebody who already translated KDE applications? "make package-messages" use a gettext version that is not designed for KDE. I tryed to install teh package "gettext-kde - version of gettext used by KDE" but it says it's already installed. I do nto understand: isn't gettext-kde the patched version of gettext for KDE?
[09:11] <Blissex> seb__: ask in #KDE-devel as that's really a devel issue.
[09:12] <seb__> Blissex: thanks
[09:12] <Tm_T> seb__: ugh, sounds indeed devel-kind of question
[09:14] <t_> i`m getting that directories to play mp3, i checked multiverse repositories, and type "libxine-extracodecs" in search but there`s nothing
[09:17] <Blissex> !restricted
[09:17] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:17] <claydoh> make sure you have universe as well
[09:17] <Blissex> t_: look at the first link above.
[09:18] <t_> Blissex - but there is nolibxine-extracodecs in my Adept (i checked multiverse)
[09:20] <voraistos-> I want amarok to detect my .aac files to include them in my library do you know how i can do that ?
[09:20] <t_> claydoh - ok, i did. let`s find out if it will give something
[09:20] <voraistos-> doesnt seem to have any option like that in the GUI
[09:21] <t_> claydoh - no, there is still no "libxine-extracodecs" in adept
[09:21] <voraistos-> what the repo problem? i can certainly solve it ;)
[09:22] <t_> voraistos - i can`t find libxine-extracodecs in my Adept
[09:22] <voraistos-> pls not that ubuntu main restricted universe and MULTIVERSE might not be there
[09:22] <t_> voraistos - i checked multiverse and universe, + that what was on kubuntu desktop install
[09:23] <t_> voraistos - what do you mean?
[09:23] <voraistos-> i just installed kubuntu, and i had to add multiverse myself (with vim)
[09:23] <aivars> slaists
[09:24] <Mo-Z> uhm... in buntu u use gksudo gedit (etc)  on a command in terminal.... how does that  command sound in kubuntu?
[09:25] <t_> voraistos - http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot2ua8.png
[09:26] <t_> voraistos - i doesn`t mean that i have multiverse?
[09:26] <voraistos-> you can join #voraistos as well
[09:26] <Mo-Z> !kate
[09:26] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), vi/vim (terminal-based), terminal based: vi/vim, emacs, nano (user-friendly). HTML/CSS editors: !html; Programming: !code
[09:27] <Mo-Z> can someone help me?
[09:27] <Mo-Z> uhm... in buntu u use gksudo gedit (etc)  on a command in terminal.... how does that  command sound in kubuntu?
[09:27] <claydoh> t_: did you refresh/reload after making the changes?
[09:28] <voraistos-> claydoh: he has the problem i saw. multiverse is not there
[09:31] <Mo-Z> uhm... in buntu u use gksudo gedit (etc)  on a command in terminal.... how does that  command sound in kubuntu?
[09:32] <claydoh> try kdesu kwrite
[09:33] <claydoh> kdes = gksudo, kwrite=gedit
[09:34] <LeeJunFan> !kdesu
[09:34] <ubotu> In KDE, use kdesu to run graphical applications with root priveleges when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[09:34] <h0ax> oh hello :P
[09:37] <Mo-Z> thx.. an do u know the command for a window in root? (in ubuntu i recall this was sudo nautilus or something)
[09:39] <voraistos-> sudo konqueror i think
[09:39] <LeeJunFan> !sudo
[09:39] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[09:39] <LeeJunFan> sudo -i will get you a root shell.
[09:39] <voraistos-> sudo su as well
[09:39] <h3sp4wn> sudo su (seems pointless to me)
[09:40] <voraistos-> just easier on the keyboard
[09:41] <Mo-Z> LeeJunFan: i was thinking more about running konqueror as root....
[09:41] <LeeJunFan> should use kdesu for that.
[09:42] <h0ax>
[09:42] <LeeJunFan> kdesu for any kde application. If you use sudo [kdecommand]  it preserves env variables like $HOME, and you can end up tmp files and sockets being owned by root.
[09:43] <LeeJunFan> stuff in $HOME, /tmp and /var/tmp is likely to get messed up ownership using sudo [kdecommand]
[09:43] <h3sp4wn> Mo-Z: krusader is better than konqueror (if you must run a gui app as root)
[09:43] <voraistos-> yeah. konqueror is internet more than ready, so hacker big door opened
[09:44] <Mo-Z> aha
[09:44] <Mo-Z> do i need to download that app or is it allready installed?
[09:47] <h3sp4wn> !info krusader
[09:47] <ubotu> krusader: Twin-panel (commander-style) File Manager for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.60.1-0ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 1940 kB, installed size 5280 kB
[09:47] <chris_> Hello...
[09:48] <kb> hello
[09:48] <chris_> I've got a weird one: I bring up the Kubutu "System Settings" tool, click "Printers", and the click
[09:48] <chris_> "Administrator Mode".  I get the nice red outline of an empty window and... nothing.
[09:48] <chris_> Any clues?
[09:49] <kb> not really :(
[09:50] <voraistos-> your system seems broken. cant really know since i dont have a printer
[09:50] <chris_> voraistos: Any ideas on how to un-break it?
[09:52] <shanky> good evening
[09:55] <gnomefreak> iirc the printer issue he has is due to latest updates and is known about
[09:55] <gnomefreak> nixternal: ping
[09:56] <Myxo> can anyone help me with configuring my wireless card?
[09:56] <gnomefreak> !wireless
[09:56] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:57] <Myxo> well alright but my laptop won't even recognize my wireless card right now
[09:57] <Myxo> i've got the drivers installed with ndiswrapper, but I can't connect to anything
[10:00] <Myxo> so no one can help me then?
[10:04] <shanky> hey, I have just install kubuntu, and I can't find how to add an scanner in order kooka o xsane to use it
[10:07] <MDCore> it is cool to ask about compiz packages here ? (i.e. why can't I get all of them)
[10:08] <main2> MDCore: ?
[10:08] <main2> what is all MDCore?
[10:09] <lipeuk> Hi guys! I'm with a laptop and I've just installed ubuntu on it. When I start it, nothing has came up so far. Just this msg... Mounting root file system. I have got a sata hard driver.
[10:09] <MDCore> from what I can tell... it's either compiz-manager or csm that I need.
[10:09] <t_> why there are so many french geeks that support newbies?
[10:10] <main2> MDCore: one sek?
[10:10] <main2> one sec..
[10:10] <MDCore> thanks!
[10:11] <main2> MDCore: 'compiz' is a 'meta transform' (am i saying that right) pacakge
[10:11] <MDCore> ok
[10:11] <main2> so if you install it via adept, it will install the other needed
[10:11] <main2> packages
[10:11] <main2> you need 'compiz' and 'csm'
[10:14] <MDCore> yeah.. but I can't find csm despite adding all the required repositories... :P
[10:14] <draik> What does it mean when I get this error...              Floating point exception
[10:14] <MDCore> if I try to install csm I get: "Package csm is not available, but is referred to by another package."
[10:15] <draik> I'm trying to run    ./Photogenics    but that's the error that I keep getting
[10:16] <futfut> desesperate
[10:18] <higi__> does windows vista consume a lot of memory and stuff?
[10:18] <Kyral> Why would WE know that?!
[10:18] <draik> good point
[10:18] <Kyral> (But rumors state that it will require a gaming-class PC to run all its toys)
[10:19] <draik> Kyral, AFAIK, I've heard it will consume quite a bit of all your resources, a bit more than just gaming-class
[10:19] <brooks> .
[10:19] <Kyral> Consider you can get all the Aero Effects from XGL NOW
[10:20] <draik> XGL doesnt work for me
[10:20] <Kyral> Then Aero won't lol
[10:20] <sybux> hi, I've got a little problem. The K bar with the k menu and all other quick lunch doesn't start time to time. What shell command shall I run to start it ?
[10:21] <draik> kicker
[10:21] <h3sp4wn> draik: You could try xgl on kanotix (all you need to do is run a script and everything is done for you)
[10:21] <draik> h3sp4wn, thanks. I'm not into XGL anymore as I was at first
[10:22] <draik> h3sp4wn, would you know what    Floating point exception    means? I can't run a certain app
[10:22] <h3sp4wn> draik: on 64 bit ?
[10:23] <draik> 32
[10:23] <t_> who ho
[10:23] <Lintsi> hey, where i can get kaffeine 0.82 as *.deb?
[10:23] <Lintsi> :D
[10:23] <h3sp4wn> draik: No idea it could mean alot of things
[10:23] <draik> :(
[10:23] <fildo_> is konversation v1.0 on backports yet?
[10:23] <nixternal> gnomefreak: pongalong
[10:24] <draik> The sad thing is that there is no install or configure file for Photogenics. It says to either click on the icon or to type "Photogenics" on CLI
[10:24] <draik> nothing
[10:25] <draik> thanks though, h3sp4wn
[10:26] <t_> yeah, baby
[10:26] <t_> who`s the daddy?
[10:27] <main2> crimsun: hi m8, vlc not in the backport yet right?
[10:27] <Hawkwind> !info vlc
[10:27] <ubotu> vlc: multimedia player for all audio and video formats. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.4.debian-1ubuntu6 (dapper), package size 7620 kB, installed size 18808 kB
[10:27] <main2> =)
[10:31] <t_> ktorrent keeps crashing on opening
[10:31] <sync350> Does anyone know where I can find printer drivers for a HP deskjet 842c printer?
[10:31] <Lintsi> !info kaffeine
[10:31] <ubotu> kaffeine: versatile media player for KDE 3. In component main, is optional. Version 0.7.1-1.3ubuntu10 (dapper), package size 1528 kB, installed size 3748 kB
[10:34] <sync350> anyone know anything about finding linux printer drivers?
[10:35] <now3d> sync350: check Linux Printing project
[10:35] <sync350> where at?
[10:36] <sync350> nvm... i'll google that :p
[10:36] <sybux> hi, I've got a little problem. The K bar with the k menu and all other quick lunch doesn't start time to time. What shell command shall I run to start it ?
[10:36] <sync350> K, i think i found the site, thanks now3d :)
[10:37] <now3d> sync350: no
[10:37] <now3d> sync350: no problemo i mean ;)
[10:40] <obf213> ok
[10:42] <jeisma> Accidentially turned off my menu toolbar, what do I press to get it back?
[10:42] <DaSkreech> how do I get a list of the printers available to this computer?
[10:42] <DaSkreech>  Without konqueror?
[10:42] <DaSkreech> jeisma: Ctrl+M
[10:42] <jeisma> DaSkreech: thanks
[10:43] <Mochito> hello
[10:43] <Mochito> good afternoon
[10:45] <obf213> is there a quicktime plugin for firefox
[10:45] <obf213> i already read the restricted formats page
[10:45] <obf213> and i have all that stuff but quicktime doesnts seem to work in firefoox
[10:46] <DaSkreech> obf213: does it work in mplayer?
[10:46] <obf213> DaSkreech i cant save and open it
[10:46] <obf213> it has to open in the webbrowser
[10:46] <sybux> Arg... I'm surfing on a site that display embeded video but it's in windows media player and it can't load. Is there a way to see them excpeted by opening the source code and cut and paste the link to the .wmv ?
[10:47] <Dr_willis> sybux,  theres a few 'video downloader' extensions on the firefox extsnsion site. that may let ya download the .wmv
[10:47] <sybux> ok I'll try with firefox and not konqueror !
[10:54] <proger> eayubuntu doesnt seems so easy after all :(
[10:57] <proger> help with easyubuntu needed
[10:58] <sync350> why isn't it easy, what do you want help with?
[10:58] <kay_> glx wont work on kubuntu ?
[10:58] <DralaFi> I wonder how long 'till kubuntu has kde-3.5.4
[10:59] <Dr_willis> its in some of the testing repos.
[10:59] <Dr_willis> i dident see much of a diff. so i dident bother putting it on this new install yet.
[10:59] <proger> when i type sudo python easyubuntu.in - error message occurs 'cannot connect to X server'
[10:59] <Dr_willis> glx works fine for me on kubuntu kay_
[11:00] <Dr_willis> proger,  how did you login ?
[11:00] <Dr_willis> are you ssh'd in? or somthing odd?
[11:00] <kay_> do anyone know how i put in gaim xfire in kubuntu?
[11:00] <proger> eee, i m typed this from kde Shell
[11:01] <kay_> Dr_willis:  hm hoe you get it?
[11:02] <kay_> Dr_willis: i mean which packages
[11:02] <lipeuk>   I installed ubuntu on my laptop and it has sata hard disk which is not recognizing by the system. I load live cd again and i am trying to mount the partition i created and it says special device does not exist but it does! does anyone know how to fix it up?
[11:03] <Dr_willis> gaim xfire in kubuntu? You mean "how do i INSTALL gaim and xfire under kubuntu?' ?
[11:03] <kay_> Dr_willis: no sorry i mean glx
[11:04] <kay_> Dr_willis: and gaim has an xfire polugin but i have read it wont work in kubuntu
[11:04] <kay_> Dr_willis: but first the glx thing
[11:04] <shanky> hey, I have just install kubuntu, and I can't find how to add an scanner in order kooka o xsane to use it
[11:05] <shanky> any idea?
[11:05] <claydoh> need make and model of scanner
[11:05] <kay_> Dr_willis: you there?
[11:05] <Dr_willis> all i did to get GLX working was follow the !ati or !nvidia docs/guide.
[11:06] <kay_> Dr_willis: ah ok
[11:06] <kay_> Dr_willis: i mean the cube desktop you know?
[11:07] <claydoh> shanky: if yo tell us the brand and model, we might be able to help :)
[11:07] <Dr_willis> cube desktop?
[11:07] <Dr_willis> you referng to the XGL stuff?
[11:07] <voraistos-> hey does any one know how to install gnash for x86 ?./configure is looking for some x package , i dont know what that is !
[11:07] <voraistos-> or AIGLX
[11:08] <h3sp4wn> voraistos-: have you installed xorg-dev
[11:08] <claydoh> voraistos-: you will need xorg-dev, and a lot of other -dev packages
[11:08] <kay_> Dr_willis: yes i think that is what i mean
[11:08] <shanky> claydoh: is an epson dx3800 multifunction printer
[11:09] <shanky> connected via usb
[11:09] <Dr_willis> kay_,  xgl is a work in progess and dont worth for me yet
[11:09] <Dr_willis> !xgl
[11:09] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[11:09] <Dr_willis> go read up on it.
[11:09] <erik__> hi! i'm a newbie, why after kubuntu installation cdrom is disable?how can i work it?
[11:09] <claydoh> shanky: http://www.sane-project.org/cgi-bin/driver.pl?manu=epson&model=dx3800&bus=any&v=&p=
[11:09] <claydoh> so we have a starting point :)
[11:09] <Dr_willis> erik__,  clarify the 'disabled' part ?
[11:10] <kay_> Dr_willis: xgl sorry
[11:10] <erik__> cdrom with I make an installation of os
[11:11] <Dr_willis> erik__,  that.. clarified nothing. :P
[11:13] <erik__> I install OS with cdrom drive, now with OS operative this drive is mount but disable.
[11:14] <Dr_willis> erik__,  you put in a cd.. you can access the cd?
[11:14] <Dr_willis> try right clickiong on the cdrom icon and using the mount/eject menu items?
[11:15] <voraistos-> h3sp4wn claydoh , now it is looking for DSL velopement and mixer package ..... rings a bell ?
[11:15] <gsuveg> re
[11:16] <naegling23> im having a problem with a game not going full screen, it then steals the mouse, so I cant move it out of the screen, but I cant close the screen because not all of it is visible.  I end up having to turn the computer off in order to exit
[11:16] <claydoh> voraistos-:  nope :(
[11:16] <naegling23> I cant alt tab or ctl alt esc either
[11:16] <erik__> I don't have icon...if i go in control panel-->disk and filesystem i can see the drive /media/cdrom0,type auto, /dev/hdb - disable
[11:16] <Dr_willis> naegling23,  try alt-ctrl-backspace or alt-ctrl-f1 :P
[11:16] <gsuveg> ia hve problem with opera. many sites in opera looks ugly. ff / konq good. but, if im install opera-static sites look good in opera.
[11:17] <gsuveg> MetaMorfoziS: szia
[11:17] <h3sp4wn> voraistos-: check config.log
[11:18] <claydoh> shanky: I may have it, gimme a sec to check
[11:18] <naegling23> ok, dr willis, if it works ill let you know, if it doesnt, ill be back in five minutes after I reboot
[11:19] <voraistos-> h3sp4wn ok i check
[11:20] <voraistos-> hmmm there is a lot
[11:20] <claydoh> shanky: you need to open the file (with sudo) /etc/sane.d/epson and edit it
[11:21] <claydoh> there is a line near the bottom that only has "usb", put a "#" in fron of it
[11:21] <claydoh>  tha will disable that line
[11:22] <claydoh> and on the line a few below that, remove the "#" from the line that has this:
[11:22] <claydoh> # usb 0x4b8 0x110
[11:22] <claydoh> save, and you should be OK
[11:26] <shanky> claydoh: thanks
[11:28] <Celeste> Will it slow down my system when I install  "ubuntu-desktop" on a "kubuntu" ?
[11:29] <MetaMorfoziS> csa gsuveg
[11:29] <shanky> claydoh: I have done waht you told me, and xsane can't still detect any device
[11:29] <claydoh> hmmm
[11:29] <joseantonio> alguien que hable espaol?
[11:30] <shanky> joseantonio: query
[11:30] <gsuveg> Celeste: hmm?
[11:30] <shanky> there is something similar to Yast in kubuntu?
[11:31] <claydoh> shanky: try running it with sudo: kdesu kooka
[11:31] <claydoh> System Settings is the closest thing
[11:31] <claydoh> to yast
[11:32] <|lostbyte|> Hi, any one could help be know why eth0 wont show in ifconfig ?
[11:32] <|lostbyte|> dmesg | grep eth0
[11:32] <|lostbyte|> [4294692.971000]  eth0: RealTek RTL8139 at 0xe09ba800, 00:16:76:7a:66:98, IRQ 193
[11:32] <|lostbyte|> [4294692.971000]  eth0:  Identified 8139 chip type 'RTL-8100B/8139D'
[11:32] <zorglu_> |lostbyte|: do 'ip link'
[11:33] <trappist> |lostbyte|: is eth0 in your /etc/network/interfaces
[11:33] <|lostbyte|> 1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP> mtu 16436 qdisc noqueue
[11:33] <|lostbyte|>     link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
[11:33] <|lostbyte|> 2: eth1: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc noop qlen 1000
[11:33] <|lostbyte|>     link/ether 00:16:76:7a:66:98 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
[11:33] <|lostbyte|> 3: ppp0: <POINTOPOINT,MULTICAST,NOARP,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast qlen 3
[11:33] <|lostbyte|>     link/ppp
[11:33] <proger> yahoo,easybuntu is trully easy
[11:33] <trappist> |lostbyte|: please don't do that
[11:33] <|lostbyte|> Ok
[11:33] <fildo_> hey guys, i removed konversation .
[11:33] <fildo_> i try to reinstall, but i get umnet deps
[11:34] <|lostbyte|> trappist, yes i have eth0 in there.
[11:34] <zorglu_> |lostbyte|: look for more dmesg... the card is later removed
[11:34] <fildo_> actually nevermind
[11:34] <|lostbyte|> zorglu_, dmesg is pasted on top.. for eth0
[11:34] <fildo_> user error ha!
[11:35] <trappist> |lostbyte|: is it in 'ifconfig -a'
[11:35] <zorglu_> |lostbyte|: same as last time :) http://perso.orange.fr/pierre.g/xnview/images/screenshots/xnview1_lnx.jpg
[11:35] <zorglu_> not that cur/past
[11:35] <shanky> claydoh: as root I get this message: X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
[11:35] <|lostbyte|> There is an eth1
[11:35] <|lostbyte|> trappist, ^^
[11:35] <zorglu_> !baddevice > shanky
[11:36] <zorglu_> trappist: 'ip link' doesnt show eth0
[11:36] <shanky> thanks zorglu_
[11:36] <zorglu_> ok off for tremulous fragging, this is serious stuff :)
[11:37] <|lostbyte|> trappist, Thats right..
[11:37] <|lostbyte|> trappist, its eth1
[11:37] <claydoh> shanky: try installing sane-utils (it is in universe repositories) and run the command sane-find-scanner
[11:38] <|lostbyte|> trappist, Why did it take eth1 ? can i change it back ?
[11:38] <claydoh> you are looking for vendor= and product=,
[11:38] <claydoh> maybe they are different than what the sane site says
[11:39] <claydoh> if you look at the epson fconf file you will see where they need to go
[11:39] <claydoh> other than that, I am at a loss
[11:40] <zorglu_> |lostbyte|: trappist: sorry i didnt notice that eth0 from dmesg had the same mac, that ip link eth1, sorry
[11:41] <shanky> claydoh: I think the settings are ok, is a problem with the baddevice message, I'm going to restart X
[11:41] <|lostbyte|> huh?
[11:41] <claydoh> x won't fix, maybe a reboot
[11:41] <claydoh> but I have to leave, hopefully you cna get it easily sorted
[11:45] <joseantonio> me dice la utilidad no esta en su path
[11:45] <LjL> !es
[11:45] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[11:46] <erik__> Dr_willis I make operation and it's function, now when i insert cd appear icon and i read cd, now the problem is with dvd-rw
[11:47] <erik__> when I insert cd it doesn't work, in disk & filesystem I can see it but is unmount and I don't know what I do.can you help me
[11:47] <islam_> As Salaam e laikum (meaning: May Peace b on u) . http://www.submission.org/ ... Your source for Islam (submission) on the internet.
[11:47] <islam_>  [112:0]  In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
[11:47] <islam_>  [112:1]  Proclaim, "He is the One and only GOD.
[11:47] <islam_>  [112:2]  "The Absolute GOD.
[11:48] <islam_>  [112:3]  "Never did He beget. Nor was He begotten.
[11:48] <islam_>  [112:4]  "None equals Him."
[11:48] <islam_>  http://download.al-islaam.com/audiovideo/anasheedram/al-islaam/html/samtan/lastbreath.swf
[11:48] <trappist> |lostbyte|: oh, that's happened to me.  for some reason something changes in /etc/iftab, where it can be fixed
[11:49] <zorglu_> ??
[11:49] <|lostbyte|> trappist, thanks, will look over that right now..
[11:52] <dad> someone help me please
[11:52] <dad> how do I install on linux I have downloaded firefox and I dont know how to use prompts
[11:52] <gnomefreak> dad: we cant unless you tell us the problem
[11:52] <dad> i installed kub
[11:53] <gnomefreak> dad: you didnt need to download it
[11:53] <LjL> dad: load up Adept. that will let you install software
[11:53] <LjL> !adept
[11:53] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[11:53] <LjL> !apt
[11:53] <ubotu> apt is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto  -  Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[11:53] <LjL> !packages
[11:53] <dad> adept on kub is where
[11:53] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, apt-cache, the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com  -  Ubuntu has about 18000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[11:53] <gnomefreak> dad: in the K menu under system or utilities
[11:53] <dad> just teach me how to change dir ectorys
[11:53] <dad> and install manually  please
[11:54] <gnomefreak> !ff
[11:54] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[11:54] <gnomefreak> dad: ^^^ read that
[11:54] <LjL> dad: to change directories, you use the "cd" commands. to install from terminal, you use "apt-get install blah"
[11:54] <dad> i dont want to install that  i have kybuntu now
[11:54] <dad> i tried cd\desktop
[11:54] <dad> nothing
[11:54] <dad> how do i format it
[11:54] <gnomefreak> dad: its cd Desktop
[11:54] <LjL> that would be "cd Desktop", i think
[11:54] <dad> k  thanks
[11:55] <LjL> dad: case matters, and so does spacing
[11:55] <dad> ok the command is apt-istall?
[11:56] <LjL> dad: no, "apt-get install", followed by the name of the package you want to install
[11:56] <LjL> dad: actually, "sudo apt-get install" (you need sudo to have administrator privileges)
[11:56] <dad> ok brb
[11:56] <LjL> !sudo
[11:56] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[11:58] <_mac> Wenas... alguien habla espaol ????
[11:58] <dad> it says file is locked
[11:58] <dad> apt-get install firefox = lock file?
[11:58] <dad> could not open lock file"
[11:59] <_mac> Somebody speak spanish ???
[11:59] <dad> no
[11:59] <dad> sorry
[12:00] <nimnrod> _mac: hola mac
[12:00] <dad> hey guys  why is my file locked
[12:00] <dad> help
[12:00] <shanky> _mac: join #kubuntu-es
[12:00] <Acc> can i use .rpm filesunder kubuntu
[12:00] <_mac> oks
[12:00] <Acc> ?
[12:00] <_mac> join #kubuntu-es
[12:00] <_mac> COMo ?:S
[12:01] <dad> once in a directy  how do i view files in that directory
[12:01] <Acc> can i use .rpm files under kubuntu ?
[12:01] <dad> command?
[12:01] <nimnrod> _mac: /join #kubuntu-es
[12:01] <_mac> como hago eso ??
[12:01] <shanky> _mac: necesitas una / antes del join -> "/join #kubuntu-es"
[12:01] <_mac> xD gracias
[12:01] <|lostbyte|> !aoss
[12:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about aoss - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:02] <|lostbyte|> :S
[12:02] <|lostbyte|> !find aoss
[12:02] <ubotu> File aoss found in alsa-oss
[12:02] <Acc> it is the following problem
[12:02] <Acc> i want to use mycanon i550 printer
[12:03] <Acc> but the only driver i can find is an rpm
[12:03] <Acc> can i use this under kubuntu?
[12:03] <Acc> and how?
[12:04] <Rambo3> did you check linux printer page
[12:04] <Acc> no
[12:04] <Rambo3> !alien
[12:04] <ubotu> rpm is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous).
[12:04] <Rambo3> check that first
[12:04] <Acc> and what's the url?
[12:04] <Acc> i'm a starter, u have to know
[12:05] <Acc> ;)
[12:05] <dad> question
[12:05] <Rambo3> http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi
[12:05] <dad> youre in a helpdiectory
[12:05] <dad> how do you look at all the files
[12:05] <dad> in the dos like window
[12:06] <Rambo3> ls
[12:06] <Rambo3> dir
[12:07] <dad> ls dir
[12:07] <Acc> ah yes, found it myself, nevertheless thx very much
[12:08] <Rambo3> dad try : ls -la
[12:10] <dad> everything says its locked up
[12:10] <dad> when i  try that aptget intalled thing
[12:10] <dad> its locked
[12:11] <Rambo3> you have synaptic running
[12:11] <dad> im confused
[12:11] <dad> ?


[00:01] <fullermd> igc: Hey.
[00:01] <poolie> k
[00:01] <igc> hi fullermd
[00:01] <fullermd> igc: Do I remember right that sometime back in the Dark Ages of N months ago you had some stuff toward recursive upgrade?
[00:01] <poolie> igc, which would be similar to the main web site
[00:03] <igc> fullermd: I do
[00:03] <igc> fullermd: there was a branch somewhere ...
[00:03] <igc> but it missed the 2.0 cut and ...
[00:04] <igc> fell down my list of priorities
[00:05] <igc> fullermd: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bzr/bzr/smooth-upgrades
[00:13] <fullermd> Was it particularly incomplete, or just didn't get wrung out and landed?
[00:16] <igc> fullermd: the patch was almost ready for re-review IIRC
[00:17] <igc> fullermd: I don't think I addressed all of poolie's internal design issues
[00:17] <igc> fullermd: external design was largely ok I think
[00:18] <fullermd> Cool.
[00:18] <fullermd> The hope for that soon enough is one of the things holding me back from feeling able to declare "OK, time, we're moving $STUFF to 2a".
[00:20] <fullermd> So, if you come up with a "nearly done stuff we should finish" list while sprinting, keep it in mind   :)
[00:28] <fullermd> (I mean, I know how bored you all are, with so little to do...)
[00:41] <maxb> Odd_Bloke: Could you comment on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/183559 - "Fix Committed" where?
[00:42] <bob2> maxb: is it in the "related branch"?
[00:43] <maxb> Hmm.... could be.... though that doesn't correspond to my understanding of "Fix Committed"
[00:43] <spiv> maxb: http://bazaar-vcs.org/BugGuidelines
[00:44] <spiv> Oh, stale link.
[00:44] <spiv> maxb: http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/bzr.dev/developers/bug-handling.html
[00:44] <spiv> maxb: specifically, http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/bzr.dev/developers/bug-handling.html#bug-status
[00:44] <maxb> ah. different to how ubuntu use the status. confusing :-/
[01:47] <james_w> poolie1: hi, do you have the password for the udd list? (I think I'm an admin too?)
[01:47] <james_w> poolie1: if so, could you send me it, I'll add it in to listadmin and so help with the moderation
[01:51]  * igc lunch
[03:23] <GungaDin> Hi
[03:23] <GungaDin> I'm trying to merge from trunk to my branch and after a log list of changes and conflicts I get a 'bzr: ERROR : [Error 5] Access is denied", even though I have admin rights..
[03:24] <GungaDin> any ideas why?
[04:24] <bob2> GungaDin: on windows?  is it possible you have one of the files open in an editor or something?
[04:28] <GungaDin> yup, on windows
[04:28] <GungaDin> hmmm... maybe
[04:28] <GungaDin> yeah
[04:29] <GungaDin> good point
[05:59] <poolie> spiv, igc, can you tell me again the topics you wanted to add for next week?
[05:59] <poolie> i don't see them on the wiki
[06:10] <spiv> poolie: the two I have are the 2.1/Ubuntu topic (which is already there), and maybe also talking about what the bzr team needs to do with the code import system
[06:10] <poolie> k thanks
[06:10] <poolie> i'd like you to present a bit of a summary about what's already in the UDD specs and already done
[06:10] <poolie> for those who may not have read it too much
[06:11] <spiv> Ok, that makes sense.
[06:11] <poolie> and also to try to think of an interesting lightning talk
[06:11] <poolie> doesn't have to be particularly relevant, in fact refreshingly irrelevant ++
[06:11] <spiv> There's a lot of spec to wade through, and the current status of a lot of it is pretty hard to figure out.
[06:12] <spiv> Hmm, irrelevant lighting talk...
[07:38] <vila> hi all
[07:38] <spiv> vila: good evening
[07:39] <vila> hehe, last tiem you do that one for a couple of days :)
[07:39] <spiv> :)
[08:37]  * igc1 dinner
[08:58] <guilhembi> Hello everybody. I have a question. When I'm in "bzr qlog", clicked the "Diff" button, and ticked "Complete",
[08:59] <guilhembi> is there a quick way to go from diff hunk to diff hunk? My case is that the file is huge, with some changes here and there, so I hit PgDown a lot; but I still need to see the complete file, to get better context... ?
[08:59] <luks> guilhembi: there is no way at the moment
[08:59] <guilhembi> luks: ok, thanks.
[09:07] <davidstrauss> guilhembi: Could you just use a really big context?
[10:42] <bialix> Hi GaryvdM
[10:43] <GaryvdM> Hi bialix
[10:43] <bialix> I want to share with you quote from my today's mail
[10:43] <GaryvdM> ok
[10:44] <bialix> one mane wrote: "I've chose DVCS from Mercurial and Bazaar, and QBzr was the reason I've selected Bazaar"
[10:45] <bialix> it's a rough translation from russian
[10:45] <bialix> GaryvdM: ^
[10:45] <GaryvdM> Woot!
[10:45] <bialix> Indeed!
[10:45] <bialix> :-)
[10:56] <spiv> bialix, GaryvdM: nice :)
[10:57] <bialix> hi spiv, thanks
[10:58] <bialix> spiv: quick question
[10:58] <stefano-k> hi, i have a question about translation of qbzr
[10:58] <bialix> what is needed to add traffic reports for ftp transport?
[10:59] <bialix> stefano-k: ask
[11:00] <bialix> spiv: what is needed to add traffic reports for ftp transport?
[11:01] <spiv> bialix: hmm
[11:01] <spiv> bialix: add calls to self._report_activity everywhere the code reads or writes data I guess
[11:01] <bialix> ok, I understand
[11:02] <bialix> I've started to actively using ftp and want to improve it a bit
[11:07] <ElMonkey> hullo
[11:07] <ElMonkey> is there any way to push parts of a private repo into a public one?
[11:08] <GaryvdM> bialix: Is that just for qbzr, or also in bzr cli?
[11:12] <bialix> GaryvdM: um?
[11:12] <GaryvdM> bialix: traffic reports for ftp transport
[11:12] <bialix> ElMonkey: using fast-import-filter but it will create second branch completelly unrelated to original private one
[11:13] <bialix> GaryvdM: CLI
[11:14] <ElMonkey> bialix, so changes from the original private branch couldnt be pushed after the creation of the new repo?
[11:15] <bialix> yep
[11:15] <bialix> only by diff + patch
[11:15] <bialix> or you can drop the history but preserve file-ids
[11:16] <bialix> in the latter case you can cherrypick changes from original repo
[11:16] <bialix> but you won't share history
[11:16] <ElMonkey> hmm, tricky
[11:17] <ElMonkey> the sitation is this: i have a private repo with all my projects, and i'd like to open source one of them
[11:17] <ElMonkey> the thing is, that there's also some shared files between projects
[11:17] <GaryvdM> ElMonkey: Are the different projects in different branches?
[11:17] <ElMonkey> GaryvdM, no, its one repo
[11:18] <ElMonkey> if it was different branches, i guess i wouldn't have this problem
[11:18] <GaryvdM> ElMonkey A branch does not = repo
[11:18] <GaryvdM> ElMonkey: you can have more than one branch in a shared repo
[11:20] <ElMonkey> well, its just some folders in a repo
[11:20] <GaryvdM> ElMonkey: in a branch?
[11:20] <GaryvdM> ElMonkey: To check, go into the folder and type bzr info
[11:21] <bialix> ElMonkey: show us output of `bzr info`
[11:21] <ElMonkey> Standalone tree (format: 1.9-rich-root)
[11:23] <bialix> it's a branch
[11:23] <bialix> by repo in bzr usually understand shared-repo
[11:24] <bialix> ElMonkey: I'd say it's a bad idea keep all your projects in the one branch
[11:24] <GaryvdM> ElMonkey: maybe bzr-split does that - I'm not sure though.
[11:24] <bialix> bzr-split does not filter out history
[11:25] <ElMonkey> well, whats the alternative? the reason for it being so as the projects share quite a few source files
[11:25] <ElMonkey> well, as things grow
[11:25] <ElMonkey> well, well, well
[11:25] <bialix> let me guess: you need nested trees, right?
[11:26] <ElMonkey> i dont know :)
[11:26] <bialix> well, if there is only few common source files then you can add them in every branch with the same file-ids and cherrypick changes
[11:26] <ElMonkey> i've been trying to figure out the proper way of doing this last year, but i didnt get anywhere
[11:27] <bialix> or you can extract common files in the separate branch and then merge them back to every project and therefore share them
[11:28] <bialix> ElMonkey: what is your background before you switch to bzr? svn& cvs&
[11:28] <bialix> ElMonkey: what is your background before you switch to bzr? svn? cvs?
[11:29] <ElMonkey> cvs, then svn, in the meantime a bit of clearcase agony :)
[11:29] <bialix> ElMonkey: unlike cvs bzr can't share separate files, only group of files called trees
[11:30] <bialix> unlike svn bzr still has no support for equivalent of svn:externals
[11:30] <ElMonkey> well, i havent really run into this problem before with the other RCSs
[11:30] <bialix> the latter called nested trees in bzr
[11:30] <ElMonkey> never had the need to publish just parts of something before
[11:30] <GaryvdM> ElMonkey: The idea with nested trees, is that you can have a branch for proj A and a branch for proj B, and a branch for shared, at it all works nicely. Nested trees is not implemented yet, but smc-proj alternative. Note: this is something you needed in the beginning. To get there, you can use bialix's suggestion:  fast-import-filter
[11:31] <bialix> scmproj
[11:33] <ElMonkey> bah, i should just write a shell script that pushes source tarballs onto the server occasionally :)
[11:35] <ElMonkey> thanks for the tips, though
[11:35] <ElMonkey> i'll have to do a bit more research to decide what to do
[12:45] <jelmer> moin
[14:18] <ronny_> lifeless: ping? got a wave account by any chance
[14:19] <ronny_> i'd like you to take a look at the revised distributed testing sketchup at https://wave.google.com/wave/#restored:wave:googlewave.com!w%252BezH3Z8aIB
[14:54] <Tak> hmm, I don't think it's possible to link waves like that
[15:06] <ronny_> Tak: works fine
[15:07] <bialix> Tak: wfm
[15:07] <Tak> ah - the ua check breaks it
[15:07] <Tak> bialix: ???
[15:07] <bialix> Tak: what?
[15:08] <ronny_> wfm = works for me
[15:08] <Tak> ah
[15:47] <GaryvdM> bialix: You have wave?
[15:48] <GaryvdM> bialix: If possible, please invite me :-)
[15:52] <beuno> GaryvdM, to what address do you want the invitation?
[15:52] <GaryvdM><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:53] <GaryvdM> Hi beuno
[15:53] <GaryvdM> :-)
[15:53] <beuno> GaryvdM, hi
[15:53] <beuno> and sent
[15:53] <beuno> it takes a few days sometimes to materialize
[15:54] <beuno> but it's in the tubes
[15:55] <GaryvdM> Thanks beuno
[15:56] <beuno> GaryvdM, np. Are you going to be at UDS this time?
[15:57] <GaryvdM> beuno: No :-(
[15:57] <GaryvdM> beuno: Are you going to the bzr sprint?
[15:58] <beuno> GaryvdM, no, I'm off tomorrow to a different sprint
[15:58] <GaryvdM> I see.
[15:59] <beuno> (lazr-js, Canonical's javascript library)
[16:01] <bialix> GaryvdM: just yesterday I've got invitation
[16:01] <bialix> GaryvdM: I'm still don't understand how to work with this thing
[16:02] <bialix> when I figure out how can I made invitation I'll do
[16:02] <GaryvdM> bialix: beuno has sent me an invitation.
[16:02] <bialix> ah, ok, thanks beuno
[16:02] <GaryvdM> bialix: I think you have to wait a while before you can send an invite.
[16:02] <bialix> you need to wait several days
[16:03] <bialix> before you got invitation
[16:03] <bialix> I waited ~ week
[16:03] <GaryvdM> ok
[16:03] <bialix> it works very slow for me as it full of ajax
[16:04] <bialix> approx as slow as google reader
[16:04] <bialix> maybe it's firefox
[16:04]  * bialix still not sure what is wave for
[17:03] <GaryvdM> bialix: for bug 418471 - Do you think we should have a "?", or a "x" for the icon?
[17:10] <GaryvdM> Or maybe trashbin
[17:15] <GaryvdM> Going to go with trashbin...
[17:31] <bialix> GaryvdM: I've thought about sheet of papaer and red X over it
[17:31] <bialix> and similar thing for folders
[17:31] <bialix> GaryvdM: sorry, I'm tired today; trashbin is ok
[17:32]  * bialix gonna home
[17:41] <Pegasus_RPG> hello. I'm trying to commit changes to a branch that I initially checked out using http apparently. I've imported my ssh key onto this system and logged in to launchpad with bzr launchpad-login. but it's still trying to use http. How can I get it to change to ssh without editing anything in .bzr/ ?
[17:45] <lifeless> ronny_: I do
[17:45] <lifeless> robert.collins
[17:52] <Pegasus_RPG> ahh bzr bind is what I needed
[18:10] <elroboto> help! how to setup a simple bzr repository for development, we dont need editors
[18:14] <GaryvdM> elroboto: bzr init   - But I recomend that you do some reading first: http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/latest/en/mini-tutorial/
[18:18] <elroboto> thanks bro
[18:34] <nyu> bzr: ERROR: Revision {[('term/i386/pc/at__keyboard.c', 'svn-v3-single1-dHJ1bmsvZ3J1YjI.:d0de0278-0dc1-4c01-8a07-af38b3205e46:trunk%2Fgrub2:2613')]} not present in "KnitVersionedFiles(_KnitGraphIndex(CombinedGraphIndex()), <bzrlib.knit._DirectPackAccess object at 0x27ca350>)".
[18:34] <nyu> anyone can give me directions on how to debug this?
[18:36] <nyu> note that there's no at__keyboard.c file in our reposiroty, it's at_keyboard.c (one underscore)
[18:36] <beuno> nyu, have you run "bzr check" and "bzr reconcile"?
[18:38] <nyu> check raises an internal error:
[18:38] <nyu> bzr: ERROR: bzrlib.errors.SHA1KnitCorrupt: Knit <bzrlib.knit._VFContentMapGenerator object at 0x5a7aa90> corrupt: sha-1 of reconstructed text does not match expected sha-1. key ('svn-v4:d0de0278-0dc1-4c01-8a07-af38b3205e46:trunk/grub2:2681',) expected sha 81411fbdd0c3cdb2041adeb7761a4a16d28f8fe8 actual sha d698afceb95a6f9fe71e7462fddd4843d0d3ecb8
[18:38] <nyu> what is this "svn-v*" information?
[18:39] <nyu> I didn't expect anything from svn needed to be preserved
[18:39] <beuno> seems bzr-svn was used
[18:39] <nyu> yes
[18:39] <nyu> it was
[18:42] <nyu> beuno: is it feasible to attempt recovery of this repository, or is the only debugging option trying to figure out when and how it reached this state?
[18:42] <beuno> nyu, I don't know much around this area of bzr
[18:43] <beuno> abentley or jam may be able to help
[18:43] <nyu> beuno: do you think this problem is linked to the fact bzr-svn was used?
[18:44] <beuno> nyu, it could of been a faulty version of bzr-svn
[18:44] <beuno> jelmer, around?
[18:44] <beuno> but I'm stabbing in the dark here
[18:45] <nyu> beuno: that's what we thought initially, as we were using bzr-svn 0.4.10.  but then I rebuilt the repository from scratch using 1.0.0
[18:45] <nyu> and hit the same problem
[18:45] <nyu> unfortunately it doesn't happen inmediately, only after a few days of using it
[18:46] <beuno> nyu, what version of bzr?
[18:46] <nyu> beuno: 2.0.1
[18:46] <nyu> with --format=1.14-rich-root shared root
[18:47] <beuno> nyu, I'd try the mailing list
[18:49] <nyu> ok
[20:08] <moldy> hi
[20:15] <GaryvdM> Hi moldy
[20:16] <lifeless> GaryvdM: did you ping me?
[20:16] <GaryvdM> lifeless: no not recently.
[20:17] <lifeless> kk
[20:17] <lifeless> kk
[20:29] <elroboto> .
[21:31] <elroboto> help!! ive initilized a direcotry, and merged with the main branch, but i cant see the changes on the main branch?
[21:32] <elroboto> im using the windows Gui
[21:35] <elroboto> yohoo
[22:07] <elroboto> HELP!!!
[22:07] <elroboto> how to create a simple branch without
[22:08] <elroboto> just simple push and merges
[22:08] <elroboto> no editions
[22:11] <elroboto> how to make a bzr tree standalone in linux?
[22:17] <bob2> you make a branch with 'bzr branch'
[22:17] <elroboto> ohhhhhhhhh
[22:18] <elroboto> bob2:  i mean a standalone branch, i dont want to control
[22:19] <bob2> not sure what you mean
[22:19] <mzz> I don't understand the question
[22:19] <elroboto> i just want to share , some code between webdevs
[22:19] <mzz> if you're trying to create a new empty branch to start a new project in that's just "bzr init"
[22:20] <mzz> if you have a branch and want others to have access to it that usually involves "bzr push"-ing it it to a location they have access to
[22:20] <mzz> but the manual covers all that
[22:21] <mzz> you may have to explain what you're trying to do in more detail
[22:21] <elroboto> this is the scenario
[22:21] <mzz> (possibly including what you've already tried and how it didn't work)
[22:21] <elroboto> 1. we need a central repository
[22:21] <elroboto> 2. there is 5 developers
[22:21] <elroboto> they just want to share code, without control
[22:21] <mzz> I don't know what "without control" means
[22:22] <elroboto> for example, when we try that with Bzr windows GUI
[22:22] <fullermd> mzz: Dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria.
[22:22] <elroboto> it works fine
[22:23] <elroboto> but when we try to store it on linux, we do "bzr init" , the changes are not reflected on the peers
[22:23] <mzz> "bzr init" is not normally a thing that shows up elsewhere.
[22:23] <elroboto> A. commits and pushes
[22:23] <elroboto> B. pulls
[22:23] <bob2> elroboto: one person does 'bzr init', once
[22:23] <mzz> it is possible you're using a checkout on windows and a standalone branch elsewhere, but it is very hard to tell (even more so because I've never used that windows gui)
[22:23] <elroboto> C. Merges
[22:24] <bob2> elroboto: then everyone else pushes and pulls from that
[22:24] <elroboto> one time somebody told me a command to create a "share" bzr repository
[22:24] <mzz> so far I do not exactly understand what this thing is that works on windows and not elsewhere
[22:25] <mzz> but I suspect you're clicking a button in the gui and issuing a command on linux, and those two don't do the same thing
[22:25] <mzz> in which case you'll have to explain what button you're clicking
[22:26] <elroboto> yeah
[22:26] <mzz> (if I understand correctly so far your question is "I'm doing something in the windows gui and can't figure out how to do it on the linux commandline", but you haven't explained *what* you're doing in the windows gui in a way I can understand)
[22:26] <elroboto> they dont do the same
[22:26] <elroboto> exactly!
[22:26] <elroboto> im doing in windows BZR init
[22:26] <elroboto> and in linux im typing bzr init
[22:27] <mzz> "bzr init" is not something that shows up remotely (unless you're doing it in a network share or something)
[22:27] <elroboto> brb 2 hours
[22:27] <mzz> so unless the windows gui is nuts I don't understand the question
[22:28] <fullermd> Nor is it something that generally makes sense to do twice on one project.  I think he's confused about what he's trying to do...
[22:30] <mzz> well, not having used the windows gui, my best guess is his "init" button isn't actually equivalent to "bzr init", it's a more general "get me a branch" button that can also do "bzr branch" and/or "bzr checkout"
[22:31] <mzz> either that or his current branch is actually on a network share mapped by all those 5 developers, so he's only had to "bzr init" that one branch and hasn't had to branch it or check it out at all yet.
[22:32] <mzz> but that's just guesswork, so lemme try to switch topics:
[22:33] <mzz> I'm using bzr-builddeb and now have a bzr diff with "[22:35] <fullermd> Not offhand.  You're not running on some sort of case-insensible filesystem or something?
[22:35] <mzz> ext4, so no
[22:36] <mwhudson> jelmer: can you look at https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/88128 ?
[22:37] <mzz> the rest of the diff looks sane to me, including bzr noticing the bogus permission changes that happened. But that dir doesn't have either a rename or a permissions change I can see.
[22:37] <phcoder> Hello, all. May a repo internal structure (like indexes) get corrupted because of bzr-svn? Is there a way to regenerate all indices?
[22:37] <mzz> and even if it *had* a rename bzr-builddeb shouldn't have been able to see it, because it's importing a tarball.
[22:38] <mzz> phcoder: I'm no expert, but did you run "bzr check" yet?
[22:39] <mzz> phcoder: iirc bzr-svn also has an sqlite-based cache somewhere. Removing that cache may be reasonable, but don't take my word for that.
[22:40] <nyu> it's in ~/.bazaar/svn-cache
[22:40] <nyu> yeah, sometimes it helps. but not this time :-(
[22:41] <phcoder> I'm bzr-checking my local repo
[22:42] <phcoder> nyu: have you tried bzr reconcile on our repo?
[22:44] <nyu> phcoder: nope.  the description sounded uhm.. dangerous
[22:45] <phcoder> you can try it on a copy
[22:45] <nyu> you're right ;-)
[22:45]  * nyu tries
[22:46] <phcoder>     87 inconsistent parents
[22:46] <Standart> I have three machines, one is running bzr 2.0, one being the central server running 1.7 and one running 1.3. how can i push from the 2.0 machine to the server so that the 1.3 machine still can play with the rest? downgrading to 0.92 doesn't seem to work (can't downgrade to non richt-tree)?
[22:46] <phcoder> is it a problem?
[22:47] <nyu> bzr: ERROR: An inconsistent delta was supplied involving '<unknown>', '723@d0de0278-0dc1-4c01-8a07-af38b3205e46:trunk%2Fgrub2:'
[22:47] <nyu> reason: Parent not in inventory.
[22:47] <nyu> Standart: use --format when creating a shared-repo in the server
[22:47] <nyu> (I think)
[22:48] <phcoder> Standart: --rich-root-pack should be ok
[22:48] <Standart> do i have to throw away my rich-tree branch?
[22:49] <lifeless> no
[22:49] <lifeless> rich-root-pack is readable by 1.0 and compatible with 2a
[22:50] <Standart> ok
[22:50] <phcoder> nyu: can you send me a tar.lzma of our damaged repo, perhaps my bzr is newer and can reconcile it
[22:50] <lifeless> its just a lot slower
[22:50] <Standart> the 1.3 server says bzr: ERROR: Unknown branch format: 'Bazaar Branch Format 7 (needs bzr 1.6)
[22:50] <Standart> which format ist the best to be used with 2.0, 1.17 and 1.3?
[22:51] <nyu> phcoder: the second one?
[22:52] <nyu> I have both
[22:52] <lifeless> Standart: rich-root-pack
[22:52] <phcoder> nyu: yes
[22:52] <Standart> lifeless: i thought there are different versions of that
[22:52] <nyu> ok
[23:02] <Standart> with --create-prefix i can push to a location that I don't have shell access to. is there a way to choose a format?
[23:08] <lifeless> not on push
[23:08] <lifeless> you can do this:
[23:08] <lifeless> bzr init --format temp
[23:08] <lifeless> cd temp
[23:08] <lifeless> bzr push --create-prefix <url>
[23:08] <lifeless> cd ..
[23:08] <lifeless> rm -rf temp
[23:08] <lifeless> bzr push --overwrite <url>
[23:09] <Standart> I see. so it's always the format of the one I'm pushing from
[23:11] <lifeless> Standart: converting data is slow, we try to avoid it.
[23:11] <lifeless> Standart: if you can, upgrade your server to 2 - much much much faster
[23:12] <Standart> i can't. don't even have shell access
[23:12] <lifeless> Standart: that doesn't mean that you can't arrange for it to happen ;)
[23:12] <Standart> amd i need to checkout with bzr 1.3. can't help it
[23:13] <Standart> the existing repos are 0.92 but i cannot downgrade my new one, even if i wanted to, if i understand this correctly
[23:14] <Standart> looks like 1.14-rich-root can be used by all my versions.
[23:14] <lifeless> 2a can not be converted to 0.92 (unless you create new history - essentially a full export-import, which won't be able to be merged with)
[23:15] <lifeless> Standart: 1.14-rich-root can't be used by < 1.14
[23:15] <lifeless> Standart: rich-root-pack is the format you need
[23:18] <Standart> lifeless: ok, seems that i converted my local repos to 1.14-rich-root and pushed it to a server that took it as rich-root-pack
[23:23] <Standart> is there a format and push compatibility matrix somewhere?
[23:29] <mzz> blehhhh, I just wish the world would magically upgrade to 2a already
[23:30]  * mzz redoes some stuff so he can actually push it to launchpad without "different serializers" failure, hopefully
[23:36] <Peng> Agreed, but I'd do many other things with magic first. Like, world hunger, or 1 Gbps fiber for everyone.
[23:37] <Peng> Increase Dollhouse's ratings....
[23:37] <mzz> heh
[23:37] <fullermd> Also, I'd like a marshmallow-pooping unicorn.
[23:38] <mzz> ok, poor wording there. Still, annoying.
[23:38] <fullermd> I dunno how you can be so cruel as to want world hunger, though.
[23:38] <Peng> IP over wormhole, to decrease my RTT to Launchpad. :D
[23:39] <Peng> fullermd: Whoops. s/wo/ solve wo/
[23:39] <mzz> I keep forgetting to check for non-richroot formats before I init repos or branches
[23:43] <Standart> lifeless: thanks. everything rich-root-pack...


[02:17] <teward> can someone accept the Trusty nomination on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/automysqlbackup/+bug/1483942
[12:00] <teward> can someone accept the Trusty nomination on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/automysqlbackup/+bug/1483942 please?
[12:04] <rbasak> teward: done
[12:09] <teward> rbasak: thank you
[12:16] <teward> rbasak: any chance you can look @ the debdiff there, and potentially check it?  It needs SRU team approval for inclusion obviously, but it's a no-regressions fix, AFAICT
[12:16] <teward> (from Debian no less)
[12:19] <rbasak> teward: looks fine to me, except that I'd use 2.6+debian.3-1ubuntu0.1 instead of 2.6+debian.3-1ubuntu1 based on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdatePreparation#Update_the_packaging - it's clearer from the version it's an SRU then (though yours wouldn't cause any other issues).
[12:19] <rbasak> teward: you want sponsorship?
[12:22] <rbasak> teward: and if so, have you tested this etc?
[12:23] <rbasak> (eg. you know a trusty build won't FTBFS for some other reason)?
[12:28] <teward> rbasak: i'm running test builds of about 50 things, this is on my list for today
[12:28] <teward> rbasak: it'll need sponsored, yes.  i'll update the version string as well.
[12:28] <rbasak> teward: just let me know it builds and works and I'll happily upload for you.
[12:28] <rbasak> (since it's so very trivial)
[12:29] <teward> ack


[08:13] <Yonni_Poo> hello, I just got a system76 laptop, and definitely regret it. before I go venturing off into a vendor that's not totally linux exclusive, I checked the linuxlaptoptesting wiki on ubuntu.  I found good results for the Dell XPS
[08:13] <Yonni_Poo> can anyone suggest why I  might not get it? It uses NVidia, but I don't see *any* comments anywhere mentioning problems
[09:43] <onuppan> is the wiki for the 'LaptopTestingTeam' still updated?


[20:57] <flocculant> ftr - slickymaster has been next on the meeting for about 18 months ...
[23:18] <Unit193> flocculant: Yeah I think we're going to reset it at bluesabre.
[23:19] <bluesabre> I'll get one scheduled soon


[19:02] <moonhead> is this project still actively being developed?
[19:54] <robb_nl> moonhead: sadly enough not. see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-March/039281.html
[19:54] <moonhead> thanks robb_nl.  i was getting that feeling, but could not find evidence.
[19:54] <robb_nl> technically it is supported untill april 2019...
[19:55] <robb_nl> when ubuntu 14.04 LTS runs out of support
[19:55] <robb_nl> I think you would be better off with skolelinux.... (or can't I say that in this channel?)
[19:56] <moonhead> :)
[19:56] <robb_nl> what are you looking for moonhead ?
[19:56] <moonhead> right on.  thanks for the idea.  seems like most kid friendly projects are dead in the water.
[19:56] <robb_nl> I know another school project that might be VERY interesting...
[19:57] <robb_nl> linuxschools.com a server based on Ubuntu LTS + an Ubuntu client that preconfigures all services that the server offers
[19:57] <moonhead> nothing specific, but was hoping to find something with recent kernel and drivers.  i have a chromebook that didn't seem to play nicely until  15.10.  and, honestly, i just don't feel like doing a whole bunch of work to make this thing reasonably useful for a4 year old.
[19:58] <robb_nl> ah ok... just a client is what you need... :)
[19:58] <moonhead> yeah
[19:59] <robb_nl> I remembered a distro called doudou linux... but that is not being maintained either...
[19:59] <moonhead> right
[20:00] <moonhead> neither is sugar or qimo or most anything else i can find
[20:00] <robb_nl> OpenSuSE has an EDU version of the client that is active
[20:03] <mhall119> yeah, qimo has been retired :(
[20:03] <mhall119> all the games are still in Ubuntu though
[20:03] <mhall119> I should make a snap package of the wallpapers....
[20:05] <robb_nl> yeah gcompris, childsplay and all the tux applications are great for kids...
[20:08] <moonhead> thanks for the suggestions.  i'll check into the opensuse edu option
[20:08] <robb_nl> btw, you mention sugar... you ever used an XO laptop?
[20:09] <moonhead> no
[20:10] <robb_nl> I had one when my kids were very young. they absolutely didn't need any explanation, even when they never touched a pc before...
[20:10] <robb_nl> great OS....
[20:10] <robb_nl> for kids.. ;)
[20:11] <robb_nl> on standard hardware you can use it through sugar on a stick
[20:12] <robb_nl> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick
[20:12] <robb_nl> still actively developed!


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[22:26] <Spass> hi, is there any way to check if a package is installed in Xubuntu by default without checking it in a fresh VM? any "default Xubuntu packages" list available on LP for example?
[22:28] <Unit193> Check the manifest.
[22:28] <Unit193> Technically it has what's on the ISO, so has a few more stuff than would be on the final install, but very close.
[22:29] <Spass> thanks!