[09:55] <shogun_> Is there allowed to be off topic talk in this channel?
[09:55] <shogun_> omg a soviet russia joke
[09:55] <shogun_> I used to live in russia
[09:55] <mrkoje> Tedd,  Goto  http://www.AIM.com  front page shows AIM for Linux Version 1.5
[09:55] <Tedd> mrkoje: It freezes when I download it.
[09:55] <Ej25goddess> in soviet russia, russia lives in you!
[09:55] <Tedd> Ej25goddess: Is that so?
[09:55] <shogun_> Ew, why would you want to use that?, just use gaim man
[09:55] <Ej25goddess> actually no, I lied, my apologies
[09:55] <Tedd> Everybody needs to stop saying that.
[09:56] <shogun_> You can turn the buddy icons off so your buddylist isn't giant
[09:56] <Tedd> Ej25goddess: I am very upset.
[09:56] <mrkoje> Tedd,  What more can you ask for?  Look, I'm just very partial to AIM.
[09:57] <mrkoje> Tedd,  The AIM from AOL even has a deb package what more could you ask for holy cow
[09:57] <shogun_> Tedd, your best bet is to download WINE and use aim on it
[09:57] <Tedd> shogun_: READ. I've tried already :)
[09:57] <shogun_> are you sure you followed the procedures right?
[09:57] <mrkoje> shogun_,  why?! Why use WINE when AOL has already released a native port for linux and specifically ina  deb
[09:58] <shogun_> are you new to ubuntu?
[09:58] <Tedd> mrkoje: I'm about to try from a different browser.
[09:58] <shogun_> mrkoje, I was suggesting it to him, not myself
[09:58] <shogun_> mrkoje, I'm saying if he complains over the linux port
[09:58] <shogun_> mrkoje, since the version is quite old.
[09:58] <mrkoje> Tedd,  Honestly.. I have been reading your request for help for 3 hours now! That is the best you could ever ask for... it a goddamned deb!
[09:58] <defiance> Jesus christ, that's a fricking hilarious discussion to read.
[09:59] <Tedd> mrkoje: Had you read the part where I said "I'm trying to"?  I didn't mean to come across like that :) lol
[10:00] <Tedd> It's just a preference for God's sakes. If I can get AIM running, I will. If not, no big. I wait a few weeks and I can my laptop with AIM if I need it.
[10:00] <shogun_> thing is, there is a theme to make your gimp look exactly like aim
[10:00] <shogun_> I don't know where it is, you can try googling it
[10:00] <shogun_> oops I mean gaim lol
[10:00] <YukiIkyuta> shogun_, gimp?
[10:00] <YukiIkyuta> Hah.
[10:00] <defiance> Hahaha
[10:01] <shogun_> It even changes the sounds so it sounds like AIM
[10:01] <drshasta19> dam
[10:01] <shogun_> the only thing you can't do I guess is direct connect with people who have regular AIM
[10:01] <drshasta19> i jsut dropped the external hard disk...
[10:01] <defiance> drshasta19, ouch >_<
[10:01] <drshasta19> dam it!
[10:01] <Fujitsu> Dropped as in took off, or dropped as in down?
[10:01] <drshasta19> it is not mine !!!
[10:01] <Ej25goddess> So here is my next Ubuntu question
[10:01] <drshasta19> dropped on the floor
[10:02] <Ej25goddess> I have anubuntu live CD, it works on my laptop, but not on my desktop
[10:02] <Fujitsu> Ahh.  AIM.deb done :D
[10:03] <shogun_> I have a geforce 6800GT
[10:03] <Tedd> Had to install IE through Crossover Office to do it.
[10:03] <Ej25goddess> 1920 x 1200
[10:03] <Ej25goddess> native
[10:03] <defiance> Ej25goddess, well it probably sets the wrong refreshrate
[10:03] <drshasta19> well ... i dont know how i'm gonna tell my friend that his disk does not work anymore...
[10:03] <Ej25goddess> for an lcd?
[10:03] <defiance> O_o
[10:03] <defiance> Or resolution
[10:03] <shogun_> lcds don't have refresh rates lo
[10:03] <YukiIkyuta> Fujitsu.
[10:04] <Fujitsu> 3 Linux vs. 1 Windows computers here. That last Windows computer is holding onto its current OS since a certain parent doesn't want to be Windows free... >:-(
[10:04] <drshasta19> hehe
[10:04] <dip> anyonw know how to list the hardware in Mac OS X ?
[10:04] <Ej25goddess> any ideas?
[10:04] <shogun_> stop being so microsoft anti, if any other corp had that power, they'd do the EXACT same thing
[10:04] <Tedd> EH? Damnit. It gets to 99 and then dies on me.
[10:04] <drshasta19> i just switched from fedora to ubntu on my laptop
[10:04] <YukiIkyuta> dip, we're not an OSX support channel.
[10:04] <shogun_> I don't like microsoft either, but I still use it
[10:04] <drshasta19> and i am done configurin the ati card, i am very staisfied with it
[10:05] <dip> YukiIkyuta: really
[10:05] <dip> YukiIkyuta: since when
[10:05] <mrkoje> drshasta19,  what ati card do you have?
[10:05] <Fujitsu> shogun_, that is why no corporation should have that power! Open Source doesn't suffer from such an issue!
[10:05] <drshasta19> M10
[10:05] <defiance> Ej25goddess, have you tried doing an install?
[10:05] <mrkoje> drshasta19,  I am about to (in the future) install ubuntu on a machine with an x700
[10:05] <YukiIkyuta> dip, since we were an Ubuntu support channel.
[10:05] <Ej25goddess> I tried an install, and I had a corrupt cd
[10:06] <mrkoje> drshasta19,  thing is there is a deb with the drivers and then there is an ati package from their website
[10:06] <Ej25goddess> so the install failed
[10:06] <GNAM> problem of open source is that linux kernel may became a commercial software at any moment.
[10:06] <GNAM> .
[10:06] <dip> YukiIkyuta: amazing
[10:06] <drshasta19> i used the ati package
[10:06] <Ej25goddess> and it ate my windows install too
[10:06] <GNAM> as an example.
[10:06] <dip> anyone know how to list the hardware in Mac OS X ?
[10:06] <YukiIkyuta> dip, I thought so too.
[10:06] <drshasta19> it took me awhile but it works now
[10:06] <YukiIkyuta> x_x
[10:06] <mrkoje> drshasta19,  the full 60mb one?
[10:06] <Ej25goddess> so I just reinstalled windows
[10:06] <drshasta19> yes
[10:06] <Ej25goddess> and redownloaded ubuntu
[10:06] <drshasta19> 70.5 Mb :)
[10:06] <mrkoje> drshasta19,  it was easy enough you use?
[10:06] <shogun_> Fujitsu, They made a good OS, it happens to be the most popular, you don't give away free food, you buy it, and a company makes it, what is tehre people going to hate on Coke now too? It's one of the leading corps in america, Windows is a good product, It gets buggy because hackers target it since It's the most POPULAR OS
[10:06] <drshasta19> mrkoje, yes
[10:07] <mrkoje> drshasta19,  now if I could only find a driver for my stupid onboard cmedia cmi9880 card
[10:07] <drshasta19> mrkoje, i had to update a few stuffs thoug
[10:07] <drshasta19> ha :)
[10:07] <YukiIkyuta> shogun_, admittedly, there are many more bugs to target.
[10:07] <mrkoje> drshasta19,  update what?
[10:07] <shogun_> Fujitsu, regardless, I don't like some of microsofts actions, but oh well It's not going to affect me
[10:07] <drshasta19> my apt list :)
[10:07] <GNAM> YukiIkyuta in ubuntu? I agree
[10:07] <mrkoje> oh ok
[10:07] <drshasta19> ha
[10:07] <Danar> shogun_, uh, it doesn't "get buggy" because hackers target it... it's made buggy, and hackers target those bugs...
[10:07] <YukiIkyuta> shogun_, hackers targetting software doesn't *make* the software more buggy, it simply tests it more rigourously. Also, it may affect you.
[10:07] <Fujitsu> It doesn't get buggy because hackers target it! Windows 2000 crashed (think Stop Message) on bootup at the first public demonstration.
[10:07] <defiance> Hmm.
[10:07] <GNAM> stop talking about old windows versions.
[10:07] <mrkoje> anyone know about linux cmedia drivers? Specifically cmi9880?
[10:08] <Ej25goddess> My windows installs have always been fine unless I did something to them :D
[10:08] <Fujitsu> Windows 98's excellent USB support was exhibited when a scanner was plugged in on stage. It promptly BSODed.
[10:08] <shogun_> ok, I am sure if hackers cared enough, they could do the same exact things to linux, but they do not care since it's not nearly as popular
[10:08] <defiance> Heh, same here
[10:08] <YukiIkyuta> shogun_, also, Microsoft is a registered `monopoly' in several countries, including the US, India, recently South Korea.
[10:08] <shogun_> I really don't care lol, an OS is an OS to me
[10:08] <defiance> I can't understand peoples problems with spyware and stuff
[10:08] <defiance> I never get those problems.
[10:08] <YukiIkyuta> shogun_, I'm sure they couldn't.
[10:08] <Madpilot> there's #ubuntu-offtopic for OS-bashing, everyone...
[10:08] <Danar> shogun_, if you say so
[10:09] <alex_extreme> hi
[10:09] <shogun_> my friend is only 16, and he just bought $3000 worth of microsoft shares with his own money lol
[10:09] <Ej25goddess> can anyone recomend a site to get 1920 x 1200 pixel wallpapers otehr than deviant art?
[10:09] <IcHx> hi
[10:09] <YukiIkyuta> shogun_, .. so?
[10:09] <Danar> shogun_, wow... :/
[10:09] <mrkoje> Ah hah! Found it!  www.alsa-project.org
[10:09] <alex_extreme> I'm doing an OEM install of Ubuntu on this computer I have built, which I plan to sell. I am testing it at the moment, and I noticed the floppy drive doesn't work when I double click it in Nautilus
[10:09] <shogun_> hes a good programmer too lol, so you would think hes anti-microsoft
[10:09] <feugan3333> shogun_: shame poor guy
[10:10] <alex_extreme> I get this: give UDI is not a mountable volume
[10:10] <alex_extreme> *given
[10:10] <alex_extreme> any ideas?
[10:10] <YukiIkyuta> shogun_, ..? why? Several people who are good programmers waste their talent like that.
[10:10] <mrkoje> shogun_,  I guess it was better then google... he would have only gotten 6 shares
[10:10] <Ej25goddess> uh, shogun, even if he hated microsoft he would buy the stock that he thought would make him money
[10:10] <IcHx> does anybody uses kubuntu here???
[10:10] <shogun_> He doesn't care, he'll make money from it in like 2 months, unless microsoft gets farked over with the xbox 360s being recalled
[10:10] <Danar> xbox 360, and google too
[10:11] <Madpilot> shogun_, Ej25goddess, YukiIkyuta: #ubuntu-offtopic is nice and quiet...
[10:11] <shogun_> google is becoming more and more like microsoft though
[10:11] <defiance> Hrm.
[10:11] <Danar> how's that?
[10:11] <tiglionabbit> shogun_: google actually makes things though
[10:11] <defiance> Anyone have any serious supportquestions?
[10:11] <shogun_> I do sort of
[10:11] <tiglionabbit> you mean microsoft is becoming more like google...  sort of?
[10:11] <Fujitsu> defiance, it would appear not.
[10:11] <Ej25goddess> can anyone suggest why ubuntu live doesnt want to display after going though the normal text setup?
[10:12] <Ej25goddess> my live cd works on my laptop
[10:12] <Ej25goddess> but not on my desktop
[10:12] <shogun_> where can I download a list of commands for ubuntu?
[10:12] <Fujitsu> Ej25goddess, sounds like a video card issue.
[10:12] <Ej25goddess> someone mentioned something about referesh rates
[10:12] <tiglionabbit> Ej25goddess: graphics cards?
[10:12] <shogun_> for terminal
[10:12] <Danar> Ej25goddess, try changing the resolution?
[10:12] <Ej25goddess> how can I do that as its setting up?
[10:12] <Danar> Ej25goddess, try CTRL-ALT-+
[10:12] <feugan3333> shogun_: That would be a list of linux commands, and beleive me you don't want to know all of them.
[10:12] <Danar> cycles through available resolutions
[10:12] <Ej25goddess> when shoudl I do that?
[10:13] <defiance> Ej25goddess, when X has started
[10:13] <tiglionabbit> Ej25goddess: that will only work while the gui is running
[10:13] <Danar> when you see nothing... or whatever
[10:13] <Ej25goddess> I cant get into the gui o.o
[10:13] <Madpilot> !cli
[10:13] <ubotu> from memory, cli is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/ or http://www.tuxfiles.org
[10:13] <shogun_> feugan3333, lol I just want a list for the most useful commands you should know for linux
[10:13] <Madpilot> shogun_: see ubotu just above ^^^
[10:13] <Danar> Ej25goddess, what do you mean it doesn't want to display?
[10:13] <Danar> Ej25goddess, does it go to a black screen when x starts?
[10:13] <Ej25goddess> correct
[10:13] <tiglionabbit> Ej25goddess: what do you get?  If you press control-alt-F# (some F key below 7) you get a text terminal, right?
[10:13] <shogun_> madpilot, arigato
[10:13] <Ej25goddess> and my moniter says there is no signal
[10:13] <Danar> right, so maybe that resolution doesn't work. try ctrl-alt-+
[10:13] <tiglionabbit> oh that's not good
[10:14] <Ej25goddess> here Ill get on my laptop
[10:14] <shogun_> Any one know how I can get into some sort of process manager thing?
[10:14] <Ej25goddess> then walk though it
[10:14] <YukiIkyuta> shogun_, `top'
[10:14] <defiance> Ej25goddess, alrighty-
[10:14] <defiance> .
[10:14] <Ej25goddess> one moment Ill be back
[10:14] <YukiIkyuta> shogun_, arigatou*
[10:14] <feugan3333> shogun_: Search google and you will find lots, for example http://www.freeos.com/articles/4414/
[10:14] <tiglionabbit> shogun_: there's a gui one under applications -> system tools -> System monitor
[10:14] <Danar> shogun_, in a terminal you can use 'ps -ef' to see everything
[10:15] <bata> hello everybody.
[10:15] <shogun_> thanks everyone
[10:15] <IcHx> hmmm
[10:15] <bata> I have an ALSA - related question
[10:15] <bata> I've been searching the forums and the net for the past 6 hours
[10:16] <bata> does anyone know how to enable multiple-channel mixing in ALSA?
[10:16] <shogun_> do they plan on fixing the problem with # in sources.list file? with the next release
[10:16] <defiance> bata, have you read the docs on www.alsa-project.org ?
[10:16] <bata> some of them
[10:17] <shogun_> It's really annoying how I have to keep on modifying it
[10:17] <tiglionabbit> shogun_: what problem?
[10:18] <tiglionabbit> shogun_: #s are comments.  You can use synaptic or the 'add programs' thingy to edit your repository list if you don't want to touch that file
[10:18] <bata> i will try reading some more
[10:18] <shogun_> tiglionnabbit, does synaptic come with ubuntu, or do I have to download it?
[10:18] <bata> it appears to be a fairly difficult problem.
[10:18] <bata> shogun_, it comes with ubuntu
[10:19] <Madpilot> shogun_: System menu - Admin - Synaptic
[10:19] <shogun_> thanks
[10:19] <defiance> wb ej25goddeses
[10:19] <ej25goddeses> thanks
[10:20] <ej25goddeses> sorry for the delay I had to install xchat ton this computer
[10:20] <defiance> ej25goddeses, boot the desktop-machine and wait for the screen to go blank
[10:20] <ej25goddeses> ok
[10:20] <ej25goddeses> :: boots thet machine ::
[10:20] <shivy> Good Morning to yall chatters, having fun troubleshooting ?
[10:20] <defiance> ej25goddeses, when it does, try ctrl+alt+plus and see if it makes any difference.. if not, then it's not a resolution-problem.
[10:21] <defiance> ej25goddeses, (plus = numerical plus)
[10:21] <tiglionabbit> one thing ej25goddeses could do is switch to terminal and run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", and accept the default options but change the resolutions listed so it chooses a lower one
[10:21] <shivy> i had that problem hehehehe figured out I had to add a shift key
[10:21] <shivy> :)
[10:22] <tiglionabbit> add a shift key, what do you mean?
[10:22] <defiance> tiglionabbit, yup, but its easier to see if it really is a res-problem first. :P
[10:22] <shivy> ctrl alt shift +
[10:22] <shivy> if your not using the numerc plus
[10:22] <tiglionabbit> oh, yeah, because + is above the =
[10:22] <shivy> :)
[10:22] <shogun_> So, overall I've been hearing that ubuntu and fedoracore are the best distros
[10:22] <Danar> shivy, you should be able to just hit it repeatedly, rather than having to use shift
[10:22] <Danar> and cycle through any available resolutions
[10:22] <tiglionabbit> shogun_: lets not get into this "best" thing
[10:22] <queuetue> Hello.  I've set up an ssh key with an empty passphrase to allow me to log into a remote server in a script.  This procedure works fine from an OSX box and a RH box, but when I try it under Ubuntu (Breezy), ssh asks for a passphrase -- for a key that does not have one.  Am I doing something wrong ... or is ubuntu's ssh broken in some way?
[10:23] <Danar> no, use the + on the numpad
[10:23] <shivy> I discoverd with enlarging a terminal --ctrl alt shift + to enlarge and ctrl alt - to shrink
[10:24] <tiglionabbit> queuetue: don't leave an empty password!  People could be watching your hostname right now and will break into your machine
[10:24] <tiglionabbit> =P
[10:24] <tiglionabbit> unless I don't know what you mean by an "ssh key"
[10:24] <ej25goddeses> ok
[10:24] <queuetue> tiglionabbit: You might want to re-read what I said.  Obviously I don't have an empty password.
[10:24] <HappyFool> an empty passphrase is only useful if you can get at the id_rsa file
[10:24] <shogun_> haha, this is pretty ridiculous, I erased a CD-RW containing windows xp, to replace it with ubuntu, then I accidently replaced my windows partition with ubuntu, and now I'm dling windows again to do it all again lol
[10:24] <ej25goddeses> imi mam bootetd and mmy scsreen is blank
[10:24] <defiance> ej25goddeses, okay, try ctrl + alt + plus
[10:25] <defiance> a few times, and see if the screen wakes up.
[10:25] <HappyFool> queuetue: tried ssh -vv ?
[10:25] <shivy> im making a beautifull data disk for all my music/picture crap, Still need to figure out how to make it writable for me users ... chmod i did .. but doesnt help much .. :(
[10:25] <shivy> even chowned it
[10:25] <HappyFool> queuetue: i have quite successfully used ssh on ubuntu; i suspect the error is yours ;)
[10:25] <ej25goddeses> its not waking up
[10:25] <defiance> ej25goddeses, okay, try ctrl + alt + F1 then
[10:25] <queuetue> HappyFool: Please stop trying to help me.
[10:26] <Enfors> I just installed postfix, but by acident I exited it's configuration program that automatically started when I installed it. How do I start that configuration program again? I tried removing and reinstalling postfix with apt-get hoping that would trigger the postfix config program, but it didn't.
[10:26] <HappyFool> ?
[10:26] <ej25goddeses> now im iin the console :)
[10:26] <melonipoika> hi all, anyone knows how to resize ext3 partition? i hae tryed gparted, qtpart, from ubuntu, from live cd, from windows... and no way... could you please help me?
[10:26] <shivy> I LOVE ctrl-alt-F1
[10:26] <shivy> :)
[10:26] <tiglionabbit> shivy: to set permissions for the CD writer, go to system -> admin -> users and groups
[10:26] <defiance> ej25goddeses, ahh, good.
[10:26] <ej25goddeses> :-)
[10:26] <ej25goddeses> where to from here?
[10:26] <Danar> ej25goddeses, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:26] <queuetue> Does anyone else know why a passphrase-less ssh key would require a passphrase under Ubuntu?
[10:26] <defiance> ej25goddeses, now log in on that console, and try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:26] <defiance> doh :P
[10:26] <Danar> ;)
[10:26] <shogun_> shivy, try using http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/ for that partition problem
[10:27] <ej25goddeses> should i login as root?
[10:27] <Danar> sure
[10:27] <Danar> but then, you don't need the 'sudo'
[10:27] <shogun_> alright later
[10:27] <YukiIkyuta> Enfors, dpkg-reconfigure postfix
[10:27] <Enfors> Thanks
[10:27] <tiglionabbit> melonipoika: the partition must not be mounted at the time.  I haven't done this but I'm pretty sure it works
[10:27] <tiglionabbit> just select size or resize from any of those apps
[10:28] <melonipoika> tiglionabbit, i have tryed that, from the live cd, but the option to resize cannot be selected
[10:28] <tiglionabbit> hmm
[10:28] <Danar> ej25goddeses, when it gets to the resolution part, enable the four lowest ones, then start X and try cycling through them again
[10:28] <linuxboy> I got this strange problem. I go to the King Kong page. And my firefox crashed. But if I remove the flash player packages, then go there again firefox downloads flash and then works. No problem. What is the difference between the 2 flash plugins?
[10:29] <queuetue> linuxboy: Some closed-source incompatible bug?
[10:29] <Danar> ej25goddeses, if it still doesn't work, then either it doesn't like your video card, or it's something else
[10:29] <linuxboy> queuetue: they should be the same plugin
[10:29] <melonipoika> gparted is complaining about features in the partition that are unsuported
[10:29] <melonipoika> sorry, parted i mean
[10:29] <Mabus06> Help!! I am in recovery mode right now but when booting normally it freezes at login screen
[10:29] <shivy> Friday at work: Shivy got a call rom customer " Hi my router doesnt seem to work anymore can I reset it by unplugging the power cable ? " " shivy respond : yeah sure " " hears some noise " ok here it goes ....POEF !! ...aaah its on Fire ! " "shivy respond : i think you got the wrong cable ! "
[10:29] <ej25goddeses> what should I tell it is my "bus identifiier"
[10:30] <Danar> ej25goddeses, you should be able to leave that
[10:30] <Mabus06> can someone give me some directions as to how to find out what my problem is more specifically, so you guys can help me easier?
[10:30] <Danar> ej25goddeses, leave it what it is, or use blank
[10:30] <queuetue> linuxboy: And they probably both have the same bug.
[10:30] <linuxboy> queuetue: no. the one works, the other doesn't
[10:30] <shivy> she put back the wrong cable
[10:30] <shivy> poor zyxell
[10:30] <shivy> she killed it
[10:31] <queuetue> linuxboy: Then I would suggest they are not the same version.  But since source is unavailable...  I would suggest you not support the MPAA or Macromedia. :)
[10:31] <Mabus06> can anyone offer advice? this is a rather serious issue...
[10:31] <shivy> hit us Mabus
[10:31] <linuxboy> queuetue: by avoiding all flash thing? bah!
[10:31] <shivy> :)
[10:31] <ej25goddeses> ok I gave it all of my moniters settings
[10:32] <queuetue> I've set up an ssh key with an empty passphrase to allow me to log into a remote server in a script.  This procedure works fine from an OSX box and a RH box, but when I try it under Ubuntu (Breezy), ssh asks for a passphrase -- for a key that does not have one.  Am I doing something wrong ... or is ubuntu's ssh broken in some way?
[10:32] <feugan3333> Mabus06: we can't help unless you ask your question.
[10:32] <ej25goddeses> now im back at the command prompt
[10:32] <queuetue> linuxboy: Flash is a pox on the Internet. :)
[10:32] <Mabus06> I already did...
[10:32] <ej25goddeses> how do I get into gnome?
[10:32] <linuxboy> queuetue: it is. Pity lots of people use it
[10:32] <defiance> ej25goddeses, now do /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[10:32] <Mabus06> It freezes at login screen, how do I find out why so you guys can help me better?
[10:32] <frogzoo> ej25goddeses: usually just boot & login
[10:32] <queuetue> linuxboy: nple because people install it.  If they didn't, then no one would use it.
[10:32] <ej25goddeses> I am running a live distro, wouldnt it looses these seettings if I rebooted?
[10:33] <Mabus06> I'm using irssi on recovery mode right now... :(
[10:33] <shivy> ej25: I think so
[10:33] <linuxboy> queuetue: so blame windows. still doesn't help me
[10:33] <defiance> ej25goddeses, yes it would. type what I said. :P
[10:33] <ej25goddeses> ok
[10:33] <mexp> hey got a pb... hope someone can help: i upgraded to breezy, and as a result got two pppoe connections fired up simultaneously (at startup). how do I delete one of them?
[10:33] <feugan3333> Mabus06: Try switch consoles with ctrl alt F1
[10:33] <shivy> ej25: Try doing a sweet sweet install of a breezy badger ..t will better your life
[10:33] <tiglionabbit> Mabus06: I think I've heard this issue before..   Could be graphics hardware, but I'm not really sure.  Check the forums  ( http://ubuntuforums.org )
[10:33] <Mabus06> feugan3333: nope, that does not work in a normal boot... its frozen in the true sense of the word
[10:34] <ej25goddeses> it said startiing gnome display manager [fail]
[10:34] <defiance> Hrm
[10:34] <queuetue> linuxboy: Sure it does - send a letter to the MPAA telling the you have no interest in installing flash - or going to see their overblown productions until they stop suing their customers.
[10:34] <Mabus06> tiglionabbit: it will be rather hard to browse the forums with lynx...
[10:34] <shivy> oi
[10:34] <defiance> ej25goddeses, then you got a setting wrong
[10:34] <shivy> restart gdm
[10:34] <tiglionabbit> Mabus06: no other computer?
[10:34] <ej25goddeses> then ill retry it
[10:34] <linuxboy> queuetue: and they will jump because one lonely linux user does that?
[10:34] <ej25goddeses> :)
[10:34] <feugan3333> Mabus06: What was loading when it froze?
[10:34] <defiance> ^^
[10:34] <GNAM> auauua another victim of dist-upgrade
[10:34] <drshasta19> hey how do i remove evolution ?
[10:34] <queuetue> No one knows about blank assphrases in ssh?
[10:35] <Mabus06> feugan3333: it was at the login screen, cursor flashes for a second then it freezes
[10:35] <shivy> apt-get remove evolution
[10:35] <queuetue> linuxboy: No, because all of us do.  But "all of us" requires you, too.
[10:35] <GNAM> when SMART became official ubuntu packet manager?
[10:35] <drshasta19> ok thanks
[10:35] <feugan3333> Mabus06: It's most likely then a graphics driver issue.
[10:35] <linuxboy> queuetue: ok, you can start. Send them a mail
[10:35] <queuetue> linuxboy: I do, every week.
[10:35] <tiglionabbit> GNAM: official?
[10:35] <shivy> or actually ' sudo -c apt-get remove evolution '
[10:35] <Danar> ej25goddeses, what does dmesg|tail say?
[10:35] <Mabus06> feugan3333: I made no graphics changes except installing a few new packages to get my webcam to work, that's the only thing close I can think of
[10:35] <GNAM> yeah
[10:36] <linuxboy> queuetue: I don't see flash dissapering off the net
[10:36] <Mabus06> feugan3333: I don't remember the exact names of the packages, how do I find out what was most recently installed?
[10:36] <GNAM> smart and synaptic same author
[10:36] <GNAM> so no problem.
[10:36] <tiglionabbit> GNAM: who cares about official.  Aptitude, Synaptic, and Apt-get are still there for using
[10:36] <queuetue> linuxboy: And you won't - not as long as you keep working against my efforts. :)
[10:37] <linuxboy> queuetue: what about production companies that make videos in flash? aren't they where the money is
[10:37] <ej25goddeses> whats dmesg|tail do?
[10:37] <queuetue> linuxboy: I don't know - I've never seen one, since I don't install flash.  But they don't have any of my money.
[10:37] <ejofee> where do i find kernel-source?
[10:37] <linuxboy> I got this strange problem. I go to the King Kong page. And my firefox crashed. But if I remove the flash player packages, then go there again firefox downloads flash and then works. No problem. What is the difference between the 2 flash plugins?
[10:38] <Danar> ej25goddeses, dmesg shows system messages, | directs the output to another command, tail displays the last 10 lines
[10:38] <HappyFool> ejofee: it's linux-source-2.6.12
[10:38] <ej25goddeses> iti says thaaat utf8 is not a recommended IO chaarset for FAT filesystems
[10:38] <queuetue> linuxboy: How is this  aporblem?  There are obviously two versions of the flash plugin - the newer one fixes a bug that used to crash.  Why are you concerned about this, if you have the fix?
[10:38] <ej25goddeses> charsest
[10:38] <feugan3333> Mabus06: well you could use "apt-cache search xxx" where xxx is any keyword like "webcam"
[10:38] <ejofee> HappyFool: ohh, you people got me! :)
[10:38] <linuxboy> queuetue: I don't want your help
[10:39] <Danar> ej25goddeses, o.O
[10:39] <HappyFool> ejofee: it's possible you really want linux-headers-386 (or -k7 or similar)
[10:39] <ej25goddeses> yeah
[10:39] <queuetue> linuxboy:  Too bad you already got it. :)
[10:39] <ej25goddeses> i feel the sasme way
[10:39] <Mabus06> okay I only have one console, feugan3333, so brb
[10:39] <ejofee> HappyFool: i need it as compatible as possible to the default one so as to install the nvidia driver
[10:39] <tiglionabbit> linuxboy: dunno, but asking again probably wont help you.  I've read that an older version crashed when the color depth wasn't set to 24 bits, and such stuff, but uh, now that it's upgraded, why do you need to care?
[10:39] <Danar> ej25goddeses, have you been writing to a windows partition from linux?
[10:40] <HappyFool> ejofee: afaik for that you need the right linux-headers package
[10:40] <linuxboy> tiglionabbit: yes. thats a per user hack. Not a real fix
[10:40] <ej25goddeses> I have a windows partitiion
[10:40] <ej25goddeses> and I have a live linux cd in it
[10:40] <HappyFool> ejofee: you're aware of the ubuntu packaged drivers?
[10:40] <Danar> ej25goddeses, have you accessed it from linux?
[10:40] <robotgeek> hi, i was trying to setup a breezy chroot using debootstrap, but the apt-get update fails with a gpg error. i solved the issue with a include=gnupg --resolve-deps, it this a bug?
[10:40] <tiglionabbit> linuxboy: hack?
[10:40] <ej25goddeses> nope, I havent gotten iin the gui, and I wouldnt knwo how to do anythinig from a comand prompt
[10:40] <shivy> i deleted my windows
[10:40] <shivy> :)
[10:40] <fre> i cannot install it any more :(
[10:40] <ejofee> HappyFool: it's my first day with (k)ubuntu
[10:41] <tiglionabbit> =}  me too, but now I have roommates asking me to play online RPGs with them
[10:41] <ejofee> HappyFool: no, i am not
[10:41] <Danar> ej25goddeses, ok, well either way you can ignore it for now. might not pose a problem anyway, and shouldn't interfere with loading linux
[10:41] <shivy> to much windows at work already
[10:41] <HappyFool> !tell ejofee about nvidia
[10:41] <Danar> ej25goddeses, any other messages?
[10:41] <feugan3333> !windows
[10:41] <ubotu> I guess windows is unnecessary, everything runs in Linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office or find an !alternative, or what you remove to make room for kubuntu
[10:41] <queuetue> tiglionabbit: WOW, at least, works under ubuntu - my wife plays it.
[10:41] <ej25goddeses> some crap about bluetooth, but this system doesnt have any bluetooth devices
[10:41] <queuetue> tiglionabbit: You need to get cedega, though.
[10:41] <HappyFool> ejofee: also take a look at help.ubuntu.com
[10:41] <Danar> heh, i wish everything ran in linux
[10:41] <tiglionabbit> queuetue: nifty.  Hmm, perhaps I should subscribe
[10:42] <ej25goddeses> brb
[10:42] <robotgeek> hmm, this is weird. i am on my laptop, firefox/lynx doesn't connect to the internet. however, i am on irc from the machine. what gives?
[10:42] <tiglionabbit> I haven't been able to find a buildable version of wineX in my random tries
[10:42] <defiance> WineX?
[10:42] <Danar> tiglionabbit, google cvscedega
[10:42] <defiance> It's Cedega nowadays.
[10:42] <ejofee> HappyFool: and, btw, is it true ubuntu doesn't include mc (midnight commander)?! i find it nowhere, which surprises me unpleasantly :(
[10:42] <tiglionabbit> Danar: that's what I mean
[10:43] <tiglionabbit> last time I did that it had problems
[10:43] <Danar> tiglionabbit, first result in googling cvscedega: http://winecvs.linux-gamers.net/index.php/Main_Page
[10:43] <Danar> tiglionabbit, there's your answer ^
[10:43] <GNAM> windows and ubuntu in vmware or ubuntu and windows in vmware? that's the question
[10:43] <GNAM> .
[10:43] <tiglionabbit> that's exactly what I did before
[10:43] <fre> mh does that gnome-bluetooth packet not exist in ubuntu ?
[10:43] <Danar> tiglionabbit, WFM
[10:43] <HappyFool> ejofee: no, it is in. it's in the 'universe' repository. are you a Debian user by any chance?
[10:44] <tiglionabbit> Danar: what?
[10:44] <Danar> tiglionabbit, WFM = Works For Me
[10:44] <queuetue> GNAM: You will be happier with windows under a linux host than linux under a windows host.
[10:44] <tiglionabbit> well, I'll try running the script again then
[10:44] <Danar> tiglionabbit, try profile 0
[10:45] <queuetue> GNAM: A linux host should never have to be rebooted except kernel upgrades.  That windows host will need to be rebooted a few times a day. ;)
[10:45] <GNAM> yes but about drivers ;)
[10:45] <GNAM> ?
[10:45] <ej25goddeses> ok im back
[10:46] <ej25goddeses> sorry about that
[10:46] <queuetue> GNAM: If vmware takes care f you, no problem.  If they don't, then ... well, then buy better supported hardware. ;)
[10:46] <ej25goddeses> so danar, any other ideas?
[10:46] <mexp> question here... can someone help... got two ppp interfaces on one dsl-connection, routing gets confused. how to remove/disable/delete one of them?
[10:46] <Danar> ej25goddeses, no other messages from dmesg?
[10:46] <tiglionabbit> Danar: still fails, I'll paste the result
[10:47] <ej25goddeses> no
[10:47] <ej25goddeses> nothing related to video
[10:47] <feugan3333> mexp: I think there is a config file under /etc/ppoe but I can't check cause I don't use ppoe
[10:47] <shivy> you gotta love chmod :)
[10:47] <tiglionabbit> er wait
[10:47] <queuetue> I've set up an ssh key with an empty passphrase to allow me to log into a remote server in a script.  This procedure works fine from an OSX box and a RH box, but when I try it under Ubuntu (Breezy), ssh asks for a passphrase -- for a key that does not have one.  Am I doing something wrong ... or is ubuntu's ssh broken in some way?
[10:47] <Danar> tiglionabbit, shouldn't have failed so soon...
[10:47] <runevi> is there a 'proper way' to upgrade Ubuntu 5.10 to the latest kernel?
[10:48] <Danar> runevi, synaptic should work fine
[10:48] <feugan3333> runevi: what do you mean "latest" kernel?
[10:48] <runevi> Danar: I mean to the latest kernel from kernel-org, does ubuntu package them?
[10:48] <Danar> runevi, oh. well you could add kernel.org to the sources.list
[10:48] <ej25goddeses> so danar, if I were to try an install rather than a live cd
[10:48] <feugan3333> runevi: Not unless you'd like to be stuck with a broken system
[10:48] <ej25goddeses> would have hteese same issues?
[10:49] <tiglionabbit> Danar: http://pastebin.com/459282
[10:49] <Danar> ej25goddeses, possibly.
[10:49] <queuetue> runevi: If it's packaged for ubuntu, then "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"  - if it isn't, then I would not suggest shoehorning it in - join the effort to package it instead. :)
[10:49] <runevi> My problem is quite simply that my SATA controllers became supported in 2.6.13 ;)
[10:49] <esters> is there an 64bit macromedia flash player ?
[10:49] <runevi> and 5.10 ships with 2.6.12
[10:49] <Danar> ej25goddeses, best to see why it's doing it first
[10:49] <ej25goddeses> alright
[10:49] <ej25goddeses> hnmm
[10:49] <shivy> apt-get install coffee-1.12
[10:49] <ej25goddeses> well I guess I willl pick this up tomorrow
[10:49] <ej25goddeses> I have someone calling me to bed
[10:49] <ej25goddeses> :D
[10:50] <runevi> queuetue: Well, the box won't use its 7 SATA-disks before I get myself a newer kernel ;D
[10:50] <ej25goddeses> thank you for all your help
[10:50] <esters> god damn it
[10:50] <ej25goddeses> I really apreciate it
[10:50] <shivy> :)
[10:50] <tiglionabbit> esters: unfortunately no, macromedia sucks
[10:50] <shivy> gn
[10:50] <robotgeek> hmm, this is weird. i am on my laptop, firefox/lynx doesn't connect to the internet. however, i am on irc from the machine. what gives? restarting the router doesn't help
[10:50] <ej25goddeses> sleep well, and thank you again
[10:50] <esters> tiglionabbit, i know :/
[10:50] <esters> 32bit fagets
[10:50] <tiglionabbit> esters: actually, you can grab some open source flash players and compile them on your machine, but they wont run much new stuff
[10:50] <Danar> tiglionabbit, go to ~/.WineCVS and run 'make clean' and try again
[10:51] <queuetue> runevi: The stock kernel is not meant to be run, unfortunately.  These days, it needs to be tuned for a specific distro - either by the Debian/Ubuntu maintainers, or by you, but "stock kernels" are really no longer appropriate.
[10:51] <tiglionabbit> Danar: there's no makefile there
[10:51] <iram_> runvei: I had similar issue with my ide raid controller.  nobody seems to be interested in helping people figure out how to use a newer kernel
[10:51] <Danar> hrm
[10:51] <runevi> queuetue: Except for slackware. ;D
[10:51] <mexp> feugan3333: checked the files in /etc/ppp but couldn't find anything related
[10:52] <tiglionabbit> Danar: oh, /sources/winex
[10:52] <esters> tiglionabbit, i used synaptic package manager to download packages keyword flash
[10:52] <queuetue> runevi: Even for slackware, if you ask Linus.
[10:52] <Danar> tiglionabbit, do you have a ~/winex directory?
[10:52] <tiglionabbit> I mean ~/.WineCVS/sources/cvscedega/winex
[10:52] <tiglionabbit> made clean there, I'll try again now
[10:52] <feugan3333> mexp: you check pppoe_on_boot ?
[10:52] <Danar> tiglionabbit, try again after 'make clean' if not, try 'make uninstall' and try again
[10:52] <alp> queuetue: lots of people happily use stock kernels or hand patched kernels every day
[10:52] <runevi> queuetue: Ohwell
[10:53] <iram_> runevi: the solution i chose was to spend 30 bucks on a new ide controller
[10:53] <runevi> iram_: Uhm.
[10:53] <queuetue> alp: If you say so, then it must be true for you.
[10:53] <mexp> feugan3333: yes, it only refers to dsl-provider file
[10:53] <runevi> iram_: I just bought _two_ new controllers, to have my 7 sata-disks on ;)
[10:53] <tiglionabbit> Danar: same problems
[10:53] <runevi> iram_: And SATAII-300, with NCQ/TCQ are quite expensive. ;D
[10:53] <feugan3333> queuetue: Where did you hear that stock kernels are not appropriate?
[10:54] <queuetue> runevi: You might have checked for ubuntu support before. :)
[10:54] <esters> 80GB samsung SATA2 and NCQ costs 40LS it's about 80$
[10:54] <queuetue> feugan3333: The Kernel developers mailing lists.
[10:54] <mexp> feugan3333: and there's only one connection there
[10:54] <runevi> queuetue: Well, I usually use SuSE ;)  And SuSE drivers are shipped with the cards. ;D
[10:54] <runevi> queuetue: But I decided to give Ubuntu a go.
[10:54] <defiance> BLah
[10:55] <esters> runevi, in LV sata 2 and NCQ HDD aren't so expensive
[10:55] <shivy> aaah
[10:55] <shivy> no suse
[10:55] <feugan3333> queuetue: I'll take your word for it, but I still find it hard to beleive.
[10:55] <shivy> too much background services and a crappy kde
[10:55] <esters> hehe
[10:55] <runevi> esters: It's not _that_ expensive, $250 or something for both controllers.
[10:55] <Danar> tiglionabbit, make uninstall, and follow the directions here as precisely as you can: http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=45
[10:55] <shivy> i tried running that on my laptop
[10:56] <shivy> and it crashed over and over
[10:56] <iram_> runevi: this thread might help http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=84174&highlight=kernel          Like I said, I gave up and just bought new hard ware
[10:56] <shivy> ubuntu is much sweeter for me cpu
[10:56] <runevi> esters: iram_ Thanks.
[10:56] <esters> runevi,  why do you need controllers if you have an moBo which supports sata2 & NCQ
[10:56] <esters> or you don't :)
[10:56] <feugan3333> mexp: I'm not sure. But it's there somewhere if you look hard enough :-)
[10:57] <esters> yesterday i installed kubuntu 64bit 5.10
[10:57] <runevi> esters: It's an old mobo ;)  The mobo is for a Duron 1300 ;)
[10:57] <shivy> :)
[10:57] <esters> i think gnome looks better
[10:58] <mexp> feugan3333: yeah... tried already for some HOURS to find it...
[10:58] <esters> KDE is more like doggy on the search bar and uselles RAM using
[10:58] <esters> runevi, i se nForce or KT old chipset?
[10:58] <esters> see*
[10:58] <Danar> tiglionabbit, also, doing this might help: sudo apt-get install gcc-3.4
[10:58] <Danar> CC=gcc-3.4
[10:58] <Danar> export CC
[10:59] <tiglionabbit> okay
[10:59] <runevi> esters: Not sure, it's a kt7a-raid mobo
[10:59] <esters> RAID mobo?
[10:59] <tiglionabbit> I just did a yes | sudo rm -r * in the source directory, to make sure it actually updates my source
[10:59] <runevi> esters: it's the name of the mobo :)
[10:59] <esters> what brand?
[10:59] <esters> is it?
[10:59] <esters> runevi,
[11:00] <runevi> esters: abit, i think
[11:00] <esters> ou
[11:00] <defiance> abit is teh shizznitz.
[11:00] <runevi> yup, abit.
[11:00] <esters> i have an Shuttle KT266A mobo
[11:00] <esters> @ my second home
[11:00] <esters> here i have Asus A8n-sli Deluxe
[11:00] <tiglionabbit> okay that was bad, now it thinks I should have the source there...   *deletes the whole tree*
[11:01] <senectus> can I re-install without formatting?
[11:01] <esters> but i think you can take a look on Biostar 6100-m9 which support Sata 2 and NCQ i think
[11:01] <senectus> install over the top of what I had?
[11:01] <runevi> esters: Basically, it's an old box which I want to use as a disk-server, so I bought 7 SATA-II disks, 2 nice controllers, and put it all in. :)
[11:02] <esters> WOW
[11:02] <esters> 7x25=175W of PSU
[11:02] <tiglionabbit> ah, it's actually getting new source this time.  So that's what I should have done--  delete the whole tree so it starts fresh
[11:02] <esters> i have only one 200gb segate barracuda
[11:03] <runevi> esters: The PSU in that box is 580W, so that shouldn't pose a problem. :)
[11:03] <Madpilot> senectus: install/reinstall what?
[11:03] <esters> runevi, hehe
[11:03] <runevi> esters: I'm more worried about the cooling ;)
[11:03] <esters> 12fan should do the trick
[11:03] <esters> 12cm*
[11:03] <runevi> esters: Well, yes, but I also need fans directly on the disks.
[11:03] <defiance> Opterons for teh win!
[11:03] <esters> barracuda's normal temp. is about 50~*
[11:04] <tiglionabbit> fuck, same error
[11:04] <runevi> esters: That's no good, you shorten their lives with that high a temp.
[11:04] <esters> when i putted 12cm FAN normal temp ir about 37~40
[11:04] <tiglionabbit> Danar: it still duzn't work, same output even with new source =[
[11:04] <melonipoika> hi, anyone can tell me how to turn off jounalling with tune2fs? i could't find i in the man page...
[11:04] <melonipoika> hi, anyone can tell me how to turn off jounalling with tune2fs? i could't find i in the man page...
[11:05] <robotgeek> melonipoika: no need to repeat
[11:05] <esters> i should propose to buy samsung's HDD's default temp about 20C :)
[11:05] <melonipoika> uy, soory
[11:05] <Danar> did you execute 'CC=gcc-3.4' and export CC?
[11:05] <melonipoika> it was a mistake
[11:05] <feugan3333> melonipoika: may I ask why
[11:05] <Danar> tiglionabbit, before running the script?
[11:05] <tiglionabbit> oops, I didn't export
[11:05] <melonipoika> yes, to resize partition wijt parted
[11:05] <esters> runevi, you are using ubuntu?
[11:05] <locomorto> Is it possible to change the ctrl-alt-backspace bind to something else?
[11:05] <esters> at the moment?
[11:05] <runevi> esters: Complete ubuntu-newbie, but yes.
[11:05] <robotgeek> locomorto: yes
[11:05] <runevi> esters: Started using ubuntu yesterday
[11:05] <locomorto> robotgeek: Where would I change that?
[11:05] <esters> runevi, GL
[11:06] <runevi> esters: It'll probably work out.  Used to admin a few debian servers earlier.
[11:06] <esters> oh that's good
[11:06] <esters> i'm a gamer,playing games like counter-strike for 4 years
[11:06] <melonipoika> feudan3333, i read that turning it off you change the filesystem to ext2, and then i can use parted. Then i will turn in on again
[11:07] <melonipoika> i'm not sure if i'm right
[11:07] <runevi> esters: Ah :)  I'm one of those sysadmin types, who have been sysadmining the least .. heh .. 7 years.
[11:07] <runevi> the last.
[11:07] <robotgeek> locomorto: you can do it in two ways. one from the gconfeditor gui, System Tools -> Configuration Editor
[11:07] <esters> on debian based systems or GAY windows?
[11:08] <runevi> esters: never been a windows admin.
[11:08] <robotgeek> locomorto: or gconftool-2 -t str --set /apps/metacity/global_keybindings/run_command_9 "<Control><Alt>Delete"
[11:08] <robotgeek> locomorto: gconftool-2 -t str --set /apps/metacity/keybinding_commands/command_9 "gnome-system-monitor"
[11:08] <runevi> esters: But debian/redhat/suse/freebsd/openbsd/netbsd/solaris
[11:08] <esters> great experience there runevi
[11:08] <feugan3333> melonipoika: I've never that but you best backup your data first.
[11:09] <ejofee> "In the Software Sources dialog that comes up, click the Add button." -- no such dialog comes up! what happens?
[11:09] <locomorto> robotgeek: Nono
[11:09] <runevi> esters: I _still_ hate twiddling with the kernel in distros i'm not familiar with ;D
[11:09] <robotgeek> locomorto: that will launch the gnom-esystem-monitor
[11:09] <esters> :D
[11:09] <locomorto> robotgeek: I want to change the one that kills X
[11:09] <Locke> whats a good video player? need to play a WMV and totem isn't wanting to be nice
[11:09] <defiance> Locke, mplayer/vlc
[11:10] <feugan3333>  s/never/never heard/
[11:10] <Locke> VLC is HORRIBLE
[11:10] <defiance> But you need the w32codecs to play WMV
[11:10] <esters> xine-ui Locke
[11:10] <defiance> Locke, I think it's quite nice.
[11:10] <defiance> Ugh.. xine is slow. >_<
[11:10] <defiance> mplayer for teh win
[11:10] <defiance> :p
[11:10] <robotgeek> locomorto: okay, one sec. /etc/xmodmap.conf , keycode 22 for me
[11:10] <runevi> defiance: Is there trouble with the w32codecs in combination with amd64?  Didn't get wmv to work as I'm used to ..
[11:10] <esters> but VLC is universal player for both win and linux
[11:10] <defiance> I haven't even found the w32codecs, but I've only searched in the reps.
[11:11] <[darkfire] > w32codecs is in the reps
[11:11] <Locke> I have the w32 codecs installed
[11:11] <defiance> [darkfire] , in what rep?
[11:11] <esters> runevi, don't know i'm now jusing 64bit ubuntu but i use VLC to watch video files
[11:11] <[darkfire] > make sure your mutiverse reps are on
[11:11] <robotgeek> ubotu: tell defiance about w32codecs
[11:11] <chris_dx> Any one available to answer newb ?
[11:11] <defiance> [darkfire] , they are.
[11:11] <robotgeek> chris_dx: right place, ask away
[11:12] <ajmitch> [darkfire] : no, w32codecs is not in multiverse
[11:12] <ajmitch> hi pitti
[11:12] <esters> runevi, you're from norway?
[11:12] <defiance> Thanks robotgeek
[11:12] <[darkfire] > well then i dont know
[11:12] <[darkfire] > I edited my sources.list file and added more reps
[11:12] <G> hey ajmitch your an op here right?
[11:13] <chris_dx> Just install ubuntu 5.04 1st time with new lcd monitor. Can't get higher than 640 resolution.
[11:13] <ajmitch> G: on a bad day
[11:13] <joedj> chris_dx: i had to enter my hsync/vsync and resolutions into xorg.conf manually
[11:13] <esters> chris_dx, i have a simmilar problem
[11:13] <G> ajmitch, got a moment?
[11:13] <[darkfire] > chris_dx: I had that probelm to
[11:13] <[darkfire] > joedj is correct
[11:14] <ale3hs> can anyone giv me instructions how to install rhythmbox 0.9.2 ??
[11:14] <ajmitch> G: you can ask general questions in here, I just try & keep the peace if something goes wrong :)
[11:14] <khab> could someone give me a hand with getting X running with with my ATI 200M?
[11:14] <queuetue> I've set up an ssh key with an empty passphrase to allow me to log into a remote server in a script.  This procedure works fine from an OSX box and a RH box, but when I try it under Ubuntu (Breezy), ssh asks for a passphrase -- for a key that does not have one.  Am I doing something wrong ... or is ubuntu's ssh broken in some way?
[11:14] <Locke> how well do Linksys wireless NICs work with Ubuntu?
[11:14] <robotgeek> ubotu: tell Locke about wireless
[11:15] <robotgeek> Locke: try to locate your card on that page
[11:15] <G> ajmitch, it's not general ubuntu, it's in regards to a couple of bans that are affecting wide groups of people...
[11:15] <ajmitch> G: such as?
[11:15] <G> ajmitch, such as<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is taking out some toronto users....
[11:15] <chris_dx> joedj: Where do i locate that file
[11:15] <[darkfire] > ale3hs: it should be be in "add application"
[11:15] <joedj> chris_dx: /etc/X11
[11:16] <feugan3333> ubotu: tell feugan3333 about wireless
[11:16] <Locke> well i've heard a few rumors that Linksys works horrible, i just wanted to know if anyone had a little firsthand experience
[11:16] <esters> chris_dx, you have putted ignore on PM's ?
[11:16] <senectus> Madpilot, uh.. ubuntu of course :-)
[11:17] <khab> can someone help me please? i am unable to get X running on my laptop with a Radeon 200M i am using version 5.10 X86_64 Version
[11:17] <esters> mm ATI drivers
[11:17] <ale3hs> [darkfire] , yea but its rhythmbox 0.9.1
[11:17] <khab> ya i;ve been trying to get it going for about 4 hours now
[11:19] <chris_dx> esters: What are PM's?
[11:19] <[darkfire] > chris_dx: private message
[11:19] <[darkfire] > chris_dx i sent you one with the a partial xorg.conf listing
[11:20] <khab> soo can someone please help me?
[11:20] <ale3hs> can somebody giv me a link that explains how u write scripts to install debs to ubuntu?
[11:21] <feugan3333> khab: what driver are you using?
[11:21] <Alex> ale3hs: the script to install a deb? add the words 'dpkg -i file.deb' into a file, newline, again, newline, again..
[11:21] <robotgeek> ale3hs: check the bash scripting guide at www.tldp.org
[11:21] <khab> right now the defualt one that ubuntu installs but X won't even load
[11:21] <ale3hs> Alex, robotgeek ok
[11:22] <dpupp> question: if im going to install totem-xine, is it ok to remove totem? or totem-gstreamer?
[11:23] <vbgunz> When will Linux natively become the best gaming OS ever?
[11:23] <Alex> vbgunz: When consoles die out?
[11:23] <Alex> vbgunz: It may well be the best gaming OS evaaaaaaar, as UT 2k4 seems to run better for me on Linux than it does on 'XP, but you're really not supplying even one criterion to judge 'best' by ;)
[11:24] <vbgunz> Alex: imho, computer is far better than any console. I have a PS2 and an XBox... PC is just better... or maybe its the games I like 1sPS
[11:24] <dpupp> should i remove totem before installing totem-xine?
[11:24] <chris_dx> [darkfire] : I have manual for monitor do i need to change your sample conf to match anything in manual?
[11:24] <Belutz> dpupp, no, it will remove totem-gstreamer automatically
[11:24] <Alex> FPS are much better with a mouse in my opinion, but.. theoretically, any of the consoles are 'better' gaming OSes? ;()
[11:25] <dpupp> ok thanks belutz
[11:25] <[darkfire] > chris_dx: no
[11:25] <PHR023N> anyone knows of a good fat32 partition recovery program running on linux? I accidently deleted mine about 60Gigs of it.
[11:25] <[darkfire] > no good
[11:26] <Alex> vbgunz: Although for what it's worth, I own all consoles and still play most of my games on the PC :)
[11:26] <smo> PHR023N: you deleted the partition, or the files within it?
[11:26] <vbgunz> PHR023N: don't write to that disk anymore until you find a way to recover from it... Any kind of writing could permanently destroy the data on the disk... Make sure you get a good read only util that can extract the data...
[11:27] <matid> Hi. Anyone here with some experience with Rosetta?
[11:27] <PHR023N> vbgunz: which rpog shoulh I used to read
[11:27] <vbgunz> Alex: the last best console game I played was Resident Evil 4... Other than that, yeah I love the PC. I just find myself booting into Windows when I want to play a game
[11:27] <[darkfire] > phr023n: you need a program to rewrite the fat table
[11:27] <Alex> vbgunz: Haha, yeah, I've been playing that lately. Finished it on easy, gone back on hard.. jeez..
[11:27] <Belutz> matid, you could ask rosetta related questions in #launchpad
[11:27] <vbgunz> PHR023N: not sure... :(
[11:28] <ardchoille> how do I add a user to a group?
[11:28] <vbgunz> Alex: 1 to 10 how would you rate the new RE4?
[11:28] <smo> ardchoille: adduser username groupname  .. nice and easy
[11:28] <PHR023N> [darkfire] : can u suggest a prog?
[11:28] <vbgunz> Alex: I would rate it about an 8 1/2, maybe 9 :)
[11:28] <ardchoille> smo: thanks
[11:28] <Alex> vbgunz: I'd say about an 8, really enjoyed it.  Do i just reboot for changes to take effect?
[11:29] <Alex> hey ardchoille :)
[11:29] <vbgunz> Alex: haha, I couldn't avoid a single snake in the box on that game... I got a bit freaked as Ashley with no weapons and flash light in the dark... Other than that, the game was very dynamic... definitely the best RE4 and i played them all :)
[11:30] <[darkfire] > chris_dx:yes or press ctrl+alt+backspace
[11:30] <Alex> vbgunz: I found the original for the PS1 in a cupboard the other day. But back to your question.. many games do indeed run native on Linux, and do it aalot better than you'd expect :)
[11:30] <ardchoille> smo: won't adduser username groupname set the primary group to groupname?
[11:31] <vbgunz> Alex: Can Quake 4 run on Linux? I think someone said it could...
[11:31] <cmug> it can
[11:31] <matid> Anyone here with some experience with Rosetta?
[11:31] <PHR023N> i'm really hopeless here
[11:31] <vbgunz> PHR023N: one sec
[11:31] <PHR023N> :(
[11:31] <Alex> ardchoille: usermod -G the-new-group-you-want-them-to-be-added-to username  <-- works too
[11:31] <cmug> vbgunz, ^
[11:31] <Alex> vbgunz: http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/quake4/
[11:31] <vbgunz> cmug: Quake 4 can?
[11:32] <PHR023N> vbgunz: i've just read something about fixdisktable
[11:32] <vbgunz> PHR023N: Can you access the disk from another Windows PC?
[11:32] <cmug> vbgunz, yes
[11:32] <PHR023N> vbgunz: yes i can
[11:32] <vbgunz> PHR023N: wasn't keeping up with your problem... did you delete the files on the disk?
[11:33] <[darkfire] > phro23n: http://www.thefreecountry.com/utilities/partitioneditors.shtml
[11:33] <ardchoille> smo: I think the proper way to do that is usermod -G groupname username
[11:33] <PHR023N> vbgunz: nope i accidetly changed the partition table
[11:33] <[darkfire] > phro23n: they have a list of good programs opensource, free, and paid
[11:33] <ardchoille> Alex: yeah, thanks
[11:34] <smo> ardchoille: adduser's worked for me for more years than I can count, so I've stuck with it.  there's always more than one way to skin a cat tho :)
[11:34] <peter_> hi all im new to ubuntu
[11:34] <emurz> #israel
[11:34] <chris_dx> [darkfire]  & others: Thanks for the help, Is it the same procedure for ubuntu 5.10?
[11:34] <emurz> ops
[11:34] <emurz> sorry for the mistake
[11:34] <peter_> im/m/33/uk
[11:34] <vbgunz> PHR023N: I have a utility that will recover deleted data from a disk... It doesn't need to run from Windows, it can run on boot up... I might have to upload it if you want it
[11:35] <PHR023N> vbgunz: well i got an ubuntu running from another hdd
[11:35] <vbgunz> Alex: thanks for that Quake 4 link, in your opinion, does it run better on Linux than on Windows?
[11:35] <ardchoille> smo: yes, but using "adduser bob admin" would mean that any file bob creates would be of group admin, right?
[11:36] <peter_> is there updates that i might need?
[11:36] <vbgunz> PHR023N: this utility does not work on Linux. It runs on PC boot up *though* maybe there is an option to run it from within Windows though I do not know for sure...
[11:36] <Seveas> peter_, if you enable the updates and security repositories, you get them automatically
[11:36] <PHR023N> vbgunz: that better then :)
[11:36] <martin__> Do any of you guys have any advice for setting up wireless devices?
[11:36] <Alex> vbgunz: Haven't tried Q4, but Ut2k4 ran alot better on Linux than Windows, so you'd best try it :)
[11:36] <[darkfire] > Phro23n: http://www.cgsecurity.org/index.html?testdisk.html
[11:36] <peter_> thank you seveas
[11:37] <smo> ardchoille: I don't believe so.  unless sticky bits dictate otherwise, you create files matching the uid and gid listed in /etc/passwd.  adduser name group just adds you to the list of users in a group's entry in /etc/group
[11:37] <vbgunz> If when you lost the data, you no longer wrote to the disk, you have a very good chance if not a great chance with saving the data
[11:37] <martin__> No matter what I do I can not get my wireless card to work
[11:37] <[darkfire] > PHRO23N: testdisk runs on linux or win. I can recover any kind of file table
[11:37] <vbgunz> Alex: sounds good, I will try it then, I cannot see why Linux just wouldn't perform better with the same game on the same pc VS Windows...
[11:37] <ubuntu_> hi all
[11:37] <martin__> I have installed the firmware and modules fine but no matter what I do I can not connect to my router
[11:38] <ubuntu_> Damn my windows crached
[11:38] <martin__> are there any good network tools that I can use
[11:38] <Stork> hi, i'm having problems compiling SQUID proxy server. here's the errors i get in a paste: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5608
[11:39] <Stork> any ideas?
[11:39] <vbgunz> PHR023N: that link [darkfire]  sent you looks good. Try that!
[11:39] <peter_> i just pluged my eaterhnet lead in and got straight on to the net,it does not come up with my bt server name though but no the less im still chating and surfing the web
[11:39] <feugan3333> martin__: Have you entered the correct essid and channel in System->Administration->Networking ?
[11:39] <vbgunz> am tired
[11:39] <[darkfire] > I have a question
[11:40] <PHR023N> vbgunz: but theres thousands of files in subdir? i'd prefer recovering the whole partition
[11:40] <vbgunz> need sleep :O
[11:40] <peter_> so my router works
[11:40] <dpupp> can someone tell me how to uninstall libdvdcss2? i tried: sudo dpkg -r libdvdcss2_1.2.8-1unofficialubuntu3_i386.deb but that gave: dpkg: you must specify packages by their own names, not by quoting the names of the files they come in. c
[11:40] <[darkfire] > How would i set up a proxy server
[11:40] <Stork> hi, i'm having problems compiling SQUID proxy server. here's the errors i get in a paste: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5608
[11:40] <vbgunz> PHR023N: I have to look for the app, one sec, it is about 60 mb or so
[11:40] <vbgunz> one sec
[11:40] <[darkfire] > PHRO23N: testdisk recovers the whole partion not just files
[11:40] <feugan3333> Stork: There is a squid package
[11:41] <martin__> I set those with iwconfig
[11:41] <PHR023N> vbgunz: i'm patient enuff :)
[11:41] <Toma-> dpupp: whats the package name?
[11:41] <martin__> i did not know you could do that graphically
[11:41] <^rubixcube> dpupp, dpkg -r libdvdcss2
[11:41] <wdh> Stork, and one time asking is more then enough
[11:41] <^rubixcube> you only need the package name
[11:41] <feugan3333> martin__: Now you know :-)
[11:41] <dpupp> Toma- good question. the file name is libdvdcss2_1.2.8-1unofficialubuntu3_i386.deb i found it on the forum...
[11:41] <PHR023N> [darkfire] : if thats the case i think i'll try it..
[11:42] <martin__> I can only see setting for essid key and wep but not channel info
[11:42] <dpupp> thanks ^rubixcube :) that worked.
[11:42] <PHR023N> vbgunz: i'm still waiting for yours too :) just in case
[11:42] <[darkfire] > How can i setup a proxy server, does any one know?
[11:42] <vbgunz> PHR023N: oh, it's small :P it's only 2.9
[11:42] <vbgunz> 2.9mb
[11:43] <feugan3333> martin__: I think it is autodetected, but if it does not work then you may need to use iwconfig
[11:43] <munzir> hi sirs, For those in Coutries with DST (summer time) do they need to set their linux systems manually or would it be automatic?
[11:43] <PHR023N> vbgunz: how do i get it from you...?
[11:43] <vbgunz> but you need Windows to run it the first time. It will bascially create the boot up disk for you... Do you have access to another Windows PC?
[11:43] <martin__> k
[11:43] <PHR023N> vbgunz: yes i do
[11:43] <vbgunz> ok
[11:43] <joedj> munzir: automatically, in general
[11:44] <smo> for dvdcss, install libdvdread3, then look in /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/  the maintainer has a shellscript to fetch libdvdcss for you
[11:44] <vbgunz> PHR023N: I will upload it somewhere and link you
[11:44] <[darkfire] > vbgunz: you can use dcc send if your not behind a strong firewall
[11:44] <feugan3333> PHR023N: also look at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/recovering.html
[11:44] <PHR023N> vbgunz: thats very helpful of you... godbless
[11:45] <peter_> is it worth me using ubuntu on my main pc as well? or is it best to keep xp on one computer ?
[11:45] <matid> Anyone here with some experience with Rosetta?
[11:45] <[darkfire] > peter_: it may be nice to have a winodws pc around, but i dont
[11:45] <feugan3333> peter_: I depends on how well you know linux and what you need to do
[11:45] <Viper12> unless you're playing a TON of win-only games......why in hell would you need any other operating system?
[11:46] <peter_> that question goes out to anyone lol
[11:46] <vbgunz> PHR023N: no problem, I hate Windows... I don't mean to bash it but my main reason for leaving it as my main working OS was because I always lost information to it because a system file always ended up deleted... I know the feeling of losing your stuff and being anxious on getting it back... one sec
[11:46] <smo> peter_: that depends entirely on what you use each of them for.  in your position, I'd probably keep both until you're comfortable with which will do what you need better
[11:46] <munzir> joedj: thanks a lot.
[11:46] <Madpilot> peter_: I've been Windows-free for more than 6 months now - I don't need it at all, your computer needs might differ...
[11:46] <peter_> sounds good to me all
[11:46] <joedj> munzir: there are ways to configure it incorrectly, of course :)
[11:47] <[darkfire] > peter_: you can go windows free and use wine
[11:47] <dukebody> i want to compile a pascal file but i get an error: module/unit interface 'crt' could not be imported. Could somebody help me?
[11:47] <peter_> im just concerd about the inter net conection because i use a bt router but obviosly cant load the disc on to linux
[11:47] <Madpilot> peter_: you can also dual-boot a computer - have both Ubuntu and XP (or any other combo) installed, and choose which to boot into when you start the machine
[11:47] <vbgunz> PHR023N: uploading now
[11:48] <joedj> dukebody: i have _no_ idea, but that sounds suspiciously like a windows library
[11:48] <munzir> joedj: does this has anything with the Hardware Clock being utc or not?
[11:48] <PHR023N> vbgunz: my hearts beating, praying like hell
[11:48] <peter_> now this linux is sounding good to me all the time lol
[11:48] <drcode> any one know good opensource pdf to html ?
[11:48] <vbgunz> PHR023N: it will work, this partition of information that you last was in fat or ntfs?
[11:48] <PHR023N> vbgunz: fat32
[11:48] <feugan3333> peter_: I don't know of any router's that are windows only
[11:48] <dukebody> joedj, yes it could be but it is aviable for linux i think?
[11:49] <joedj> munzir: no, just to do with how you set your timezone, really
[11:49] <vbgunz> ok
[11:49] <[darkfire] > peter_:routers are os independent
[11:49] <smo> crt was dos, wincrt was windows .. so I'd be very surprised if there isnt' a crt unit for linux, but i'd have no idea where to look (I haven't touched pascal since college)
[11:49] <PHR023N> feugan3333: thanks for the url ill try give it a read :)
[11:50] <feugan3333> PHR023N: no problem
[11:50] <peter_> well it works on ubuntu but i dont know if im suposed to use the install disk i just pluged the ethanet lead in my laptop and it works fine
[11:50] <feugan3333> peter_: you don't need the install disk then :-)
[11:50] <dukebody> i looked into http://www.gnu-pascal.de , smo , and found something, but i can't install it, i get an error
[11:50] <munzir> joedj: so is there any reason that favors hwclock to be set as UTC? I always see this recommendation in linux
[11:50] <peter_> wayhay lol
[11:50] <smo> peter_: given BT's track record, I'd try their software only if nothing else works.  if it's working with out it, stay without it
[11:51] <feugan3333> dukebody: I thought gcc had a pascal module
[11:51] <joedj> munzir: i believe either is fine
[11:51] <dukebody> yes feugan3333 , gpc
[11:51] <peter_> well all thanks for the help im off to have a look around my new o/s :O)
[11:52] <vbgunz> PHR023N: got an error in vmware on the ftp, will try to upload again through Ubuntu
[11:52] <PHR023N> vbgunz: no harm I'll wait :)
[11:53] <munzir> joedj: ok thanks again and I won't believe all that I read next time ;)
[11:53] <PHR023N> i've done nothing but tryng to recover for the last 6 hours..
[11:53] <joedj> munzir: i vaguely recall that other OSs (windows in particular) and linux wouldn't play nicely if you had it set the other way; perhaps that's the reason for the recommendation
[11:53] <vbgunz> PHR023N: sent you a private message
[11:54] <PHR023N> vbgunz: thanks !!! hope one day i can help you too :)
[11:54] <munzir> joedj: actually the recommendation say use UTC unless you are dual booting with windows then use localtime.
[11:54] <[darkfire] > Does anyone know how to setup a proxy server?
[11:54] <joedj> munzir: yeah =P
[11:54] <vbgunz> PHR023N: no problem, I know the feeling, am glad to help!
[11:56] <feugan3333> [darfire] : for firefox ?
[11:56] <PHR023N> thanks very much for the rest of you too...
[11:56] <PHR023N> god how i envy this channel...
[11:56] <[darkfire] > feugan3333: I don't want to use a proxy server, i want to be a proxy server.
[11:57] <[darkfire] > I need something like what AnalogX made.
[11:57] <Fujitsu> squid would do the trick?
[11:57] <PHR023N> some channels just ignore people with stupid newbie questions.. :)
[11:58] <[darkfire] > PHR02n: Well ther are a lot of noobs in linux, but yours wasnt a noob question.
[11:58] <feugan3333> PHR023N: This one does too, only the questions need to be really stupid :-)
[11:58] <Kaiser_Meeting> hi Hobbsee. see you later ;)
[11:58] <Hobbsee> hey Kaiser_Meeting
[11:58] <Kaiser_Meeting> :)
[11:58] <aeon17x> The noob situation in Linux isn't as bad as Windows though, which is comforting.
[11:58] <Kaiser_Meeting> in a meeting ;)
[11:59] <[darkfire] > ahh windows users
[11:59] <feugan3333> What's the start button anyways?
[11:59] <[darkfire] > The classic It wont take my password
[11:59] <PHR023N> feugan3333: lol
[11:59] <[darkfire] > Answer: The caps lock is on
[11:59] <feugan3333> Where is the any key?
[11:59] <soundray> feugan3333, the big round one on the front of your computer
[12:00] <feugan3333> lol
[12:00] <[darkfire] > All hail the 3 finger salute
[12:01] <PHR023N> this really cheer today... after losing almost my entire 3 years of work
[12:01] <[darkfire] > PH023N: You need to start having a backup routine
[12:01] <PHR023N> mybe i'll try to learn to use a SAN disk sooner than expected
[12:02] <PHR023N> or just create one using an old hardware with new hdd
[12:02] <otep> [darkfire] : what do you use for backups?
[12:02] <soundray> PHR023N, I came in late -- how did you lose your work?
[12:02] <vbgunz> PHR023N: yeah, completely agree with [darkfire] , I make about 8 backups a day... About 3 hours ago, I needed my last backup bad :( Restored in only a couple of minutes :)
[12:03] <[darkfire] > otep: since i keep all my files in one folder i just copy it to a usb drive
[12:03] <PHR023N> soundray: i accidently changed the partition table while trying to resize ext2 partition using cfdisk
[12:03] <otep> aaah i do too. i also try to keep cd/dvd copies.
[12:04] <soundray> PHR023N, do you know about programs that reconstruct a partition table?
[12:04] <[darkfire] > PHRO23N: Always defrag before resizeing partions
[12:04] <stephank> parted can restore partitions if you haven't formatted them yet
[12:04] <PHR023N> soundray: have u got any suggestion?
[12:04] <soundray> PHR023N, give me a minute.
[12:04] <dukebody> can somebody help me with "play" command?
[12:05] <PHR023N> whats a good backup prog on linux?
[12:05] <GNAM> RAR
[12:05] <otep> PHR023N: mondo? havent actually tried it yet, tho
[12:06] <PHR023N> vbgunz: 100kbit remaining :)
[12:06] <vbgunz> PHR023N: cool :)
[12:06] <soundray> PHR023N, the rescue thing I used in the past was gpart. It goes through your disk and finds data structures that look like partition boundaries, and uses that to "guess" what the correct partition table must have looked like.
[12:06] <Seveas> !goodmorning
[12:06] <ubotu> Gooooooooooooooooooooooooodmorning #ubuntu! It looks like another beautiful ubuntuous day, may humanity be with you and your problems be solved :)
[12:06] <chrisx1_> hey when i got to some website firefox closes
[12:06] <chrisx1_> any ideas?
[12:07] <Seveas> chrisx1_, don't go to that site anymore?
[12:07] <aeon17x> What website?
[12:07] <chrisx1_> i want to
[12:07] <PHR023N> soundray: that sounds good :)
[12:07] <chrisx1_> djbesty.tk
[12:07] <vbgunz> !ubotu welcome back beotch!
[12:07] <ubotu> vbgunz: What?
[12:07] <vbgunz> !:)
[12:07] <ubotu> vbgunz: I give up, what is it?
[12:07] <Seveas> !bot abuse
[12:07] <ubotu> I heard bot abuse is a bannable offense
[12:08] <soundray> PHR023N, but it's important to stop using that disk immediately for anything that might write to it.
[12:08] <Seveas> chrisx1_, works fine here
[12:08] <chrisx1_> umm
[12:08] <chrisx1_> closes on mine
[12:08] <Seveas> completely blank site though :)
[12:08] <chrisx1_> ur got 1.5 tho Seveas
[12:08] <Seveas> no, I run stable software
[12:08] <dukebody> can somebody help me with "play" command? i want to play a sound but a error told me my device is busy
[12:08] <Seveas> no just-released-stuff-with-lots-of-bugs
[12:08] <Danar> Seveas, uh, how's 1.5 unstable?
[12:08] <vbgunz> dukebody: try killall esd
[12:08] <Seveas> dukebody, esdplay
[12:09] <Seveas> Danar, quite a few bugs already
[12:09] <Danar> more stable than previous versions
[12:09] <aeon17x> I'm getting redirected.
[12:09] <PHR023N> soundray: i ve done that :) thanks
[12:09] <[darkfire] > seveas: yes 1.5 has bugs, but its better than 1.07
[12:09] <ToniK> i need help about updating unubtu 5.04 to 5.10
[12:09] <ToniK> how do i do it?
[12:10] <GNAM> fresh install ToniK.
[12:10] <ToniK> that's what i thought
[12:10] <PHR023N> gpart eh? what about dependencies should it be okay on a newly installed hoary?
[12:10] <aeon17x> ToniK: insert Ubuntu 5.10 CD and follow the instructions.
[12:10] <chrisx1_> bbl again
[12:10] <ToniK> thanks anyway
[12:10] <soundray> ToniK, I did it with apt-get
[12:10] <aeon17x> ToniK: it'll take a while though, and you have to restart afterwards.
[12:10] <ToniK> i have the Free install CD
[12:10] <Seveas> GNAM, nonsense
[12:10] <Seveas> you never need a fresh install
[12:10] <ToniK> and i have already installed the 5.04 version
[12:11] <Seveas> ToniK, pop in the cd, it will use it for upgrading
[12:11] <ToniK> and still using it
[12:11] <ToniK> although i'm still a linux rookie
[12:11] <soundray> ToniK, substituted all "hoary" occurrences in /etc/apt/sources.list with "breezy", apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade.
[12:11] <dukebody> Seveas, esdplay did not work
[12:11] <GNAM> fresh install is polish and I'm able to reconfigure my system in minutes
[12:11] <Seveas> dukebody, lsof /dev/dsp
[12:11] <libbn> is this a good thing to follow? http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2000/06/29/hdparm.html
[12:11] <[darkfire] > Gnam: you will lose all you files though
[12:11] <PHR023N> ive got to quit for a few minutes to run windows to try the prog vbgunz just send me... i'll be back to tell you guys of the outcome
[12:11] <Seveas> GNAM, you're too windows-minded
[12:12] <[darkfire] > Gnam: some people have actual information on it they cant lose
[12:12] <GNAM> upgrading a so is utopia.
[12:12] <dukebody> killall esd did not work, vbgunz
[12:12] <Seveas> libbn, sounds alright
[12:12] <Seveas> GNAM, bullshit
[12:12] <GNAM> auau
[12:13] <libbn> Seveas: yeah, but i read somewhere that it could be bad for your drive to run this. but im not sure where i read it
[12:13] <PHR023N> soundray, vbgunz , [darkfire]  and others ave been much help thanks again :)
[12:13] <PHR023N> bye :)
[12:13] <freelove> where do i get limewire?
[12:13] <soundray> PHR023N, good luck.
[12:13] <Seveas> libbn, you can reduce your hd's life if you use it improperly
[12:13] <dukebody> Seveas, no process appears after lsof /dev/dsp
[12:13] <[darkfire] > PHRO23N: good luck
[12:13] <Seveas> dukebody, weird, then play should work
[12:13] <freelove> whr can i get michael jackson's song who is it??
[12:13] <Seveas> try esd & && esdplay
[12:14] <Seveas> freelove, not in here
[12:14] <[darkfire] > www.allofmp3.com should have it
[12:14] <libbn> Seveas: you altered it ?
[12:14] <Seveas> [darkfire] , NOT in here
[12:14] <soundray> libbn, hdparm is a low level tool. In principle, you can use it to wreck your disk, and you won't have anyone to sue.
[12:14] <[darkfire] > hmm ok
[12:14] <PHR023N> thank i'm sure i'll nedd all the luck i can get :)
[12:14] <ToniK> thank you all
[12:14] <freelove> just asking;).....
[12:15] <vbgunz> dukebody: try killall esd &
[12:15] <libbn> soundray: well, we all enable dma on the disks, but why not take the extra step? our disks do run I/O 32 for sure. and so is our controller. so why not tell it to use it?
[12:15] <[darkfire] > Does anyone know how to setup a proxy server?
[12:15] <vbgunz> dukebody: listen to Seveas, he knows more than me!
[12:15] <Seveas> [darkfire] , apt-get install squid && read_documentation
[12:15] <soundray> libbn, exactly, that's what I do too, and I've never had a problem.
[12:16] <libbn> soundray: just enable dma or do u enable IO mode also?
[12:16] <soundray> libbn, and I got a tenfold increase of the hdparm -T benchmark on most disks where I tried it.
[12:16] <libbn> whats ur -tT right now ?
[12:17] <soundray> libbn, I don't mess with PIO settings. Not necessary on modern ATA/SATA drives.
[12:17] <dukebody> esd: ALSA lib pcm-dmis.c ... unable to open slave
[12:17] <libbn> soundray: why not? it still runs 16 bit then?
[12:18] <encompass> is there a program that can check the links of a website?
[12:18] <soundray> libbn, 130 MB in  3.01 seconds =  43.24 MB/sec (-T)
[12:18] <[darkfire] > seveas: what diretory is squid documentaion in
[12:18] <soundray> libbn, no, 32bit support is turned on.
[12:18] <linux_n00b_e> Hey guys, morning! :0
[12:19] <encompass> morning
[12:19] <encompass> well about 1 pm in finland
[12:19] <linux_n00b_e> I could use a little bit of assistance.
[12:19] <libbn> Timing cached reads:   636 MB in  2.01 seconds = 316.62 MB/sec
[12:19] <nalioth_zZz> [darkfire] : /usr/share/doc/   holds many wonderful things
[12:19] <libbn> Timing buffered disk reads:  138 MB in  3.14 seconds =  43.91 MB/sec
[12:19] <Seveas> [darkfire] , package squid-doc
[12:19] <libbn> with only dma on
[12:20] <Seveas> hmm, no, squid does not have a separate doc package :)
[12:20] <Seveas> so /usr/share/doc/squid should do
[12:20] <linux_n00b_e> I just installed Ubuntu on my box and after it asked me to take the disk out of my drive, the GRUB tried to re-boot.
[12:20] <linux_n00b_e> However on re-boot I got an error 2 message. anybody know what that means?
[12:21] <[darkfire] > hmm all there is a changelog
[12:21] <kcng> any1 still use 56k modem here?
[12:21] <Astxist> kcng, yes
[12:21] <encompass> keng ask a better question
[12:22] <Shadowpillar> question, how do I build debian packages the correct way?
[12:22] <linux_n00b_e> Does anyone know what an Error 2 message on the GRUB loader means?
[12:23] <kcng> i cant see the modem connection statistics window on my ubuntu, is there one?
[12:23] <encompass> I would google that, have you?
[12:23] <encompass> or man grub
[12:23] <gnask> Da*n .. im having real trouble with my TV-out .. i tried to follow every instruction i could find in the ubuntuforums.. but they all left me with a corrupt xorg.conf and a x-server that wont start.. :( doesnt anyone have a working tv-out via a nvidiacard ? .. i could use a correct configures xorg.conf that i can modify to suit my devices..
[12:23] <[darkfire] > sevas: malioth_zZz: thanks it was squid --help, it gives command line options
[12:23] <encompass> there are much better ways to find simple answers like that
[12:24] <soundray> linux_n00b_e, it can't find your kernel.
[12:24] <soundray> linux_n00b_e, can you drop to the grub shell by hitting 'c'?
[12:25] <linux_n00b_e> Oh... I don't know, let me see. Just hit the 'c' key?
[12:25] <VINTAGE> can you play games on ubuntu?
[12:25] <GNAM> auauauau
[12:25] <soundray> linux_n00b_e, when the grub menu is displayed.
[12:25] <GNAM> VINTAGE: MAME works
[12:25] <Nikusan> hey all I'm using ubuntu breezy installed kubuntu-desktop. now I want to remove it and all ~140 packages that it installed, is there an easy way to remove them all in one shot?
[12:25] <[darkfire] > vintage: freecive is all you need
[12:25] <soundray> linux_n00b_e, you may have to hit Esc during boot.
[12:25] <VINTAGE> MAME?
[12:25] <GNAM> yes
[12:26] <[darkfire] > vintage: mame is a arcade system emulatore
[12:26] <VINTAGE> whats mame?
[12:26] <VINTAGE> ah
[12:26] <VINTAGE> so i can play all windows games
[12:26] <VINTAGE> on ubuntu/
[12:26] <VINTAGE> ?
[12:26] <VINTAGE> with mame
[12:26] <linux_n00b_e> Nope, it won't let me in. Guess, I'll try running the installer again. Thanks...
[12:27] <soundray> linux_n00b_e, better luck next time.
[12:27] <[darkfire] > Vinatage: Mame is aracade machine emulator not windows.
[12:27] <linux_n00b_e> thanks soundray ;)
[12:27] <GNAM> auauauaua
[12:27] <oskude> VINTAGE, yup, but windows is not yet a arcade system :)
[12:27] <gum5h03> whts the deal with rhythmbox not playing .mp3's from the default config? I had to dl xmms to get my tunes to play. Rhythmbox doesn't recognize them as "valid streams" ?
[12:27] <dukebody> VINTAGE, for windows games try Cedega :?
[12:27] <VINTAGE> cedega?
[12:27] <VINTAGE> i dont know anything
[12:27] <VINTAGE> about linu
[12:27] <VINTAGE> x
[12:28] <VINTAGE> ive seen it ones
[12:28] <VINTAGE> but windows XP is driving me crazy :D
[12:28] <cmug> linux? is that something eatable?
[12:28] <toonsy> gum5h03: get gstreamer mad plugin in universe
[12:28] <oskude> cmug, yes, if you print it out :)
[12:28] <Seveas> !tell VINTAGE about enter
[12:28] <gum5h03> thxx!
[12:28] <dukebody> VINTAGE, i switched to linux since 1 week or less, you will love Linux!
[12:29] <VINTAGE> can someone kick those bots dammit :D
[12:29] <HerbY2> is there an easy way to change the boot drive. Right now I boot from sdb1 and would like to change it to sda1.
[12:29] <Seveas> gum5h03, mp3 is patent encumbered so we can't support it by default
[12:29] <Seveas> HerbY2, install grub on sda1 and instruct your bios to boot from there
[12:29] <dukebody> VINTAGE, cedega is a "emulator" for Windows games, it seems to be a good program but i can't install it
[12:30] <Seveas> !cedega
[12:30] <ubotu> from memory, cedega is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega and for a list of working games see http://www.transgaming.org/gamesdb or #cedega or http://www.frankscorner.org/
[12:30] <gum5h03> ah i see
[12:30] <VINTAGE> k thnx
[12:30] <VINTAGE> is that the only way (yet) for me to play windows games on linux?
[12:31] <Seveas> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5594 <-- lol!
[12:31] <HerbY2> Seveas, what I mean is that I would like to physically change the harddrives. So sda becomes sdb and sdb becomes sda.
[12:31] <Viper12> it is currently the 'best' way to....but wine (standard) works for some games.
[12:31] <Seveas> VINTAGE, yes, wine does not really support any games
[12:31] <dukebody> VINTAGE, i bet that but i don't really know
[12:31] <Seveas> HerbY2, switch the drives, boot from live cd and reinstall grub
[12:32] <HerbY2> Seveas, I'll give it a try
[12:32] <Madpilot> good night/morning/whatever, all... need sleep...
[12:32] <Seveas> HerbY2, the install cd has the 'rescue' boot option with which you can reinstall grub too
[12:32] <Viper12> there is also the free version of cedega, usually known as cvs-cedega.
[12:32] <Seveas> there also are linux-based games :)
[12:32] <[darkfire] > When i started using ubuntu. I thought i was just great. But now with the brushed OSX theme and icons for gnome it just looks awsome
[12:32] <gum5h03> is there a wine port for this distro?
[12:32] <Seveas> xmoto, supertux, pingus, planetpenguinracer, pioneers
[12:33] <nalioth_zZz> gum5h03: of course
[12:33] <HerbY2> Seveas, Ok.
[12:33] <Seveas> gum5h03, apt-get install wine ;)
[12:33] <defiance> Trigger13, ey btw, your debs, are they configured with ./configure --with-usplash?
[12:33] <defiance> Err, oops.
[12:33] <soundray> Seveas, should we tell HerbY2 about fstab as well?
[12:33] <nlindblad> greetings
[12:33] <Astxist> does anyone know why ubuntu bugzilla takes an ungodly amount of time to load a bug report?
[12:33] <Seveas> soundray, good call
[12:33] <gum5h03> thx again
[12:33] <Seveas> HerbY2, you need to change the file /etc/fstab too
[12:33] <Seveas> otherwise things will go pear-shaped
[12:34] <Seveas> same for /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:34] <mimosa> alguien que hable espaol?
[12:34] <Seveas> !es
[12:34] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[12:34] <libbn> 9.5 MB/sec increase i got when setting flag -c3 /dev/hdb hmmm.... this wont damage my disk will it?
[12:34] <kemik> !postfix
[12:34] <ubotu> kemik: Not a clue
[12:35] <kemik> !sendmail
[12:35] <ubotu> kemik: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[12:35] <libbn> soundray: ?
[12:35] <dukebody> yo mimosa
[12:35] <soundray> libbn, if it hasn't already, it is very unlikely that it will...
[12:35] <HerbY2> Seveas, Ok , that shouldn't be a problem.
[12:35] <kemik> Seveas:  it's just a matter of apt-getting postfix?
[12:35] <dukebody> ok
[12:35] <oskude> if someone wants to compile gvidcap1.1.4pre2 on breezy. ask me, i have it working.
[12:36] <libbn> soundray: so what u say? if u do something wrong with hdparm and screw up the disk, it will be noticed directly? like it dies and so on?
[12:36] <Seveas> kemik, postfix is installed by default
[12:36] <[darkfire] > How do i bridge network cards?
[12:36] <Seveas> oskude, write it down on the wiki :)
[12:36] <Shadowpillar> how do I create a .deb package?
[12:36] <soundray> libbn, I think it's possible to do that to your disk with hdparm, if you're really unlucky.
[12:37] <soundray> libbn, another risk is filesystem corruption.
[12:37] <oskude> Seveas, yup, but i need complete list of depencies and im too lazy to wipe my system :) (didnt log my doings so well ;)
[12:37] <libbn> well. it wasnt so big deal in increase. so ill let it be with dma only
[12:37] <Shadowpillar> Seveas: how do I go about making a .deb?
[12:38] <mimosa> dukebody
[12:38] <mimosa> quuieres charlar?
[12:38] <mahangu> i can mount my ipod shuffle, but i cant write to it on ubuntu
[12:38] <mahangu> on debian i can
[12:38] <mahangu> what's the deal?
[12:38] <oskude> Shadowline, easiest way is using "sudo checkinstall" instead of "sudo make install"...
[12:38] <soundray> libbn, but I feel that the risk is negligible. It's a personal decision,  though.
[12:38] <mahangu> im trying mount /dev/sda1 /media/ipod -t vfat -o rw,users
[12:38] <oskude> Shadowline, but for "good" debian package making you gotta do some reading... forgot where :)
[12:39] <soundray> libben, all my important stuff is backed up one way or another.
[12:39] <mahangu> does anybody know why my ipod is being mounted read only?
[12:39] <[darkfire] > mahango: do system->adminstartion->disks
[12:40] <Seveas> mimosa -> #ubuntu-es
[12:40] <Shadowpillar> oskude: prob is, checkinstall isnt entirely reliable for making distributable .deb's only for local installs, and I know all about that
[12:40] <libben> anyone in here think enabling pimode to 32 bits is a disaster on the disk?
[12:40] <mahangu> [darkfire] , yeah i see it
[12:40] <Shadowpillar> oskude: I'm talking about making a proper .deb file
[12:40] <Shadowpillar> oskude: dep tracking and whatnot
[12:41] <oskude> Shadowline, yup, i wanted once to do that to... was too much reading for me :)
[12:41] <mahangu> [darkfire] , what do i do there?
[12:41] <oskude> eeeh, ment Shadowpillar :)
[12:41] <[darkfire] > mahangu:do you see your ipod
[12:41] <mahangu> [darkfire] , yes
[12:41] <mimosa> pablo
[12:41] <mimosa> quieres hablr?
[12:41] <mahangu> [darkfire] , it mounts, i can read off it, i cant write to it
[12:42] <mahangu> mimosa, do /join #ubuntu-es
[12:42] <HymnToLife> uestion : how do you insert ASCII character on Linux
[12:42] <HymnToLife> like in windows you type Alt+the ASCII code
[12:42] <Shadowpillar> oskude: where were the docs that you read up on?
[12:43] <Seveas> HymnToLife, <ctrl><shift><unicode number>
[12:43] <[darkfire] > mahangu: click on your ipod an go to partions
[12:43] <Seveas>
[12:43] <Seveas>
[12:43] <HymnToLife> thanx Seveas
[12:43] <mahangu> [darkfire] , yes, im there
[12:43] <[darkfire] > mahangu: does it say accessible
[12:43] <oskude> Shadowpillar, that was on debian (year ago, or so)... but i recall seeing about ubuntu debs in the wiki...
[12:43] <sled> hi, I have a Swiss-German keyboard layout, but if I press alt gr + 7 it shows me a  instead of  |  - how can I fix this?
[12:43] <mahangu> [darkfire] , yes
[12:44] <sled> on windows, I always got a |  :/
[12:44] <Astxist> has anyone else here had gam_server eating alot of memory in Ubuntu Breezy?
[12:44] <[darkfire] > mahangu: what is the filesystem for it
[12:45] <mahangu> [darkfire] , fat
[12:45] <mahangu> it's an ipod
[12:45] <mahangu> shuffle
[12:45] <[darkfire] > mahangu: it should automatically mount
[12:45] <mahangu> [darkfire] , it _does_. i just can't write to it
[12:45] <mahangu> it mounts as chmod 700
[12:46] <[darkfire] > mahangu: change the chmod then
[12:46] <primo|ubuntu> Is there a keyboard shortcut to open a terminal?
[12:46] <Seveas> primo|ubuntu, you can make one :)
[12:46] <primo|ubuntu> That was my next question :)
[12:46] <Seveas> primo|ubuntu, system -> prefs -> keyboard shortcuts
[12:47] <primo|ubuntu> thanks
[12:47] <leagris> hi all
[12:47] <mahangu> [darkfire] , syntax?
[12:47] <soundray> sled, Ctrl-Shift-7-C
[12:47] <HymnToLife> Seveas > it thre something like Windows' character table where you an see all possible characters and their Unicode number ?
[12:47] <soundray> Seveas, thanks for the tip, that's really cool :)
[12:47] <[darkfire] > mahangu: mahngu where is your ipod mounted
[12:48] <sled> soundray, uhm is there an easier way? because I have to use | very often :/
[12:48] <leagris> I'd like your opinion on the last comment for this bug http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15324 Needless to say I feel quite sad about how it has been ruled.
[12:48] <mahangu> [darkfire] , /media/ipo
[12:48] <mahangu> *d
[12:48] <dockane> hi all. i would like to know, if there is any faq about using non-latin fonts (in my case arabic) with ubuntu. i need to install a desktop system which is capable of switching between latin an arabic. my motherlanguage is german, btw
[12:48] <[darkfire] > mahangu: in root chmod 777 /media/ipod
[12:49] <gum5h03> nice lil distro guys, looking forward to playing with it
[12:49] <primo|ubuntu> hmm, i had hoped by setting it to ctrl-shift-t it would open a new window unless one was already open... guess not
[12:49] <soundray> sled, give me a minute...
[12:49] <leagris> The bug is about SATA hard freeze un current Breezy. It has been identified and I am affected by this bug
[12:49] <oskude> HymnToLife, Applications->Accessories->Character Map ?
[12:49] <leagris> But the dev team is not willing to fix this for current Breezy
[12:50] <mahangu> [darkfire] , chmod: changing permissions of `/media/ipod/': Read-only file system
[12:50] <HymnToLife> I'm an idiot, I missed it :p
[12:50] <HymnToLife> Thanks oskude :)
[12:50] <oskude> HymnToLife, you welcome :)
[12:50] <leagris> How about ont fixing a critical blockig bug and saying. Sorry poor Breezy user.  It takes too much of my memory and cpu
[12:51] <j813> Hi guys, how can I add another Linux OS in Grub? What can I do during installing this other OS so that it will use the existing Ubuntu Grub? Thanks :)
[12:51] <nlindblad> what would you say is a good way to start contributing to the community/project?
[12:51] <samppa> some 400 megabytes of memory .(
[12:51] <Seveas> !contribute
[12:51] <ubotu> I guess contribute is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/participate
[12:52] <Seveas> ^-- nlindblad
[12:52] <mahangu> ill boot in to deb and try this out
[12:52] <mahangu> laters
[12:52] <nlindblad> I'm interested in your opinions
[12:52] <Seveas> samppa, kill it
[12:52] <samppa> I kill it all time
[12:52] <Shadowpillar> j813: yes you can
[12:52] <Seveas> !no contribute is at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[12:52] <samppa> It restarts always
[12:52] <ubotu> okay, Seveas
[12:52] <Shadowpillar> j813: just dont have the other OS install grub
[12:52] <Shadowpillar> j813: then in ubuntu, add the grub entry for that OS
[12:53] <Astxist>
[12:53] <Astxist> ops
[12:53] <j813> yup I did, but how can i add it in the Grub?
[12:53] <[darkfire] > Does anyone know how to bridge network cards?
[12:53] <leagris> Should I give my opinion as a omment on bugzilla for this http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15324 or shoud I keep it all about technical issue ?
[12:53] <Seveas> j813, sudo some_editor /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:53] <runevi> Uh, what's the point of this continously running process:
[12:53] <runevi> /bin/dd bs 1 if /proc/kmsg of /var/run/klogd/kmsg
[12:53] <Seveas> leagris, bugzilla is not for opinions
[12:53] <j813> OK, TY, let try it. :)
[12:53] <j813> me
[12:53] <Shadowpillar> here's a way to spread ubuntu: geocaching
[12:53] <Seveas> runedude_, the point is not to run klogd as root
[12:54] <Seveas> runevi*
[12:54] <runevi> Seveas: .. uh .. why not?
[12:54] <leagris> Seveas, another more appropriate place to discuss opinion on bug treatment ?
[12:54] <Seveas> runevi, in Ubuntu, everything that does not absolutely have to be run as root, does not run as root
[12:55] <Seveas> leagris, ubuntu-devel@lists
[12:55] <wap2> hello
[12:55] <runevi> Seveas: I don't see why the kernel is considered non-trusted. ;)  I mean, if the kernel is compromised, root is compromised  ..
[12:55] <soundray> sled, have you tried Alt-1 or AltGr-1?
[12:55] <Seveas> runevi, klogd isn't the kernel
[12:56] <runevi> Seveas: It logs the kernel.
[12:56] <Seveas> it's a userspace process
[12:56] <runevi> Seveas: If one is afraid of klogd being exploited, it has to be done with input from the kernel.
[12:56] <Seveas> not a kernel thread
[12:56] <Seveas> runevi, which is not at all impossible to do without hacking into the kernel
[12:56] <Shadowpillar> Seveas: any links that show how to build packages?
[12:56] <runevi> Seveas: Okaaay?
[12:57] <sled> soundray, lol that's funny if I press AltGr-1 it shows me a |, but there's a  on my keyboard
[12:57] <leagris> Seveas, can you tell where I can find the dev liste to subscribe ?
[12:57] <sled> and if I press AltGr + 7 it shows me a , but there's a | on my keyboard :D
[12:57] <Seveas> leagris, http://lists.ubuntu.com
[12:57] <leagris> thanks
[12:57] <Brik> i have a problem with my X system , when i reboot my Window manager and i try a new session...or i wanna go to a Term, doing CTRL+ALT+Fx my monitor will black...and remain so....
[12:57] <Seveas> Shadowline, wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU (follow links from there)
[12:57] <Brik> i must reboot...
[12:57] <runevi> Seveas: I fail to see how that should be accomplished?
[12:58] <Brik> i have this problem from my upgrade
[12:58] <dockane> is there anybody inhere using ubuntu in arabic ?
[12:58] <soundray> sled, you can swap them back using xmodmap, but I can't give you the detail.
[12:58] <sled> soundray, thanks a lot! :)
[12:58] <Seveas> runevi, 1) you end your machine an illegal packet over the network interface 2) the kernel logs that data as being illegal 3) externally given data is being sent to klogd
[12:58] <andrew_> I just rebooted my ubuntu machine, and gnome now comes up in 640x480 and the tool in the Systems menu for changing the resolution doesnt list any alternatives. Before the reboot it was in 1024x7678. Anyone know what causes that?
[12:58] <Shadowpillar> Seveas: any links that show how to build packages?
[12:59] <runevi> Seveas: I've not ever seen the kernel print the content of the packages to klogd , only the kernel error.. but okay?
[12:59] <Seveas> runevi, the cisco web admin is an excellent example of how this can be exploited, no doubt that a similar trick is possible with klogd
[12:59] <Seveas> runevi, iptables -J log :)
[12:59] <Seveas> it's really far-fetched
[12:59] <Seveas> but probably possible
[12:59] <runevi> Seveas: People that log that much should be shot in the first place. ;D
[01:00] <andrew_> Nobody knows about my screenres problem?
[01:00] <Brik> someone had problems with GNOME from the upgrade ... i have an NVIDIA
[01:00] <soundray> andrew_
[01:00] <soundray> andrew_, patience!
[01:00] <runevi> Seveas: The reason I'm asking is that my disk seems to be active every .. 10 seconds or so, without any activity from me .
[01:00] <runevi> Seveas: And I'm trying to hunt down what is writing constantly
[01:00] <soundray> andrew_, your monitor cable may have come loose, so it doesn't read the DDC signal.
[01:01] <HymnToLife> andrew_ > you certainly did something whrong tht involves the xorg.conf file
[01:01] <gum5h03> runevi: try downloading lsof and see what files r being accessed
[01:01] <Seveas> !tell andrew_ about fixres
[01:01] <andrew_> If I re-jiggle it, will the options change in the resolution tool automagically, or do I have to regenerate them?
[01:01] <sunshine82> im tryin to grt my webcam workin i need to check the make file because im gettin an error when i try and make
[01:01] <runevi> gum5h03: Already done that.
[01:01] <andrew_> ta Sev
[01:01] <sunshine82> i have a ame group cu-98a webcame
[01:02] <sunshine82> it suppose to use a dvio nw802 driver but it not workn
[01:02] <andrew_> HymnToLife, I havent touched any x conf files, so unless its something some program did, it probably aint that
[01:02] <oskude> runevi, are you running hoary ?
[01:02] <runevi> oskude: No, breezy
[01:02] <freelove> how do i get the gnome panel down like this? http://kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=26449&file1=26449-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=nuoveXT
[01:02] <HymnToLife> ubotu is more knowledgeable than me
[01:02] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, HymnToLife
[01:03] <HymnToLife> !fixres
[01:03] <ubotu> it has been said that fixres is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:03] <FallenHitokiri> hi what is the name of the xorg-devel pakages?
[01:03] <Rarj> Hi, Is there any way of Installing Ubuntu 5.10 from a Live CD ?
[01:03] <oskude> runevi, ok, i have still hoary on my notebook, and i have to kill a process on every boot, thats writing on my hd every 2sec or so...
[01:03] <HymnToLife> Rarj > no
[01:03] <runevi> oskude: Which one?
[01:03] <oskude> runevi, sec
[01:03] <Seveas> FallenHitokiri, there are a lot
[01:04] <Rarj> Ok... I cant seem to mount the HDD and even the USB drive is not recognised :(
[01:04] <FallenHitokiri> Seveas: i run configure on a kde-theme an get: X.. configure error: can't find x includes
[01:04] <oskude> runevi, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89385 read the last post
[01:04] <sunshine82> based on this page http://nw802.sourceforge.net/faq.html  im suppose to fix this file http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5609 but i dont know the guy who created the driver say it was baase on 2.4 kernel but im on 2.6
[01:04] <Seveas> FallenHitokiri, you need the kde development packages...
[01:05] <Seveas> kde-dev
[01:05] <FallenHitokiri> thx
[01:05] <Seveas> !info kde-dev
[01:05] <sunshine82> any ideas
[01:05] <runevi> oskude: Ah, it's that pretty new nasty 'hald' thing.  Ohwell.  Dead it will be.
[01:05] <beast> Hi all
[01:05] <Seveas> FallenHitokiri, kde-devel that is
[01:05] <Subhuman> hi
[01:05] <freelove> how do i bring a gnome panel at the bottom? :(
[01:05] <Seveas> freelove, click on another panel, select new panel, drag the new one to the bottom
[01:06] <runevi> oskude: Hmf, it still writes all the time.
[01:06] <freelove> Seveas: th:)
[01:06] <FallenHitokiri> Seveas: nice.. i only get: broken pakages if i run apt-get install kde-devel. (i have kde 3.5 installed with the deb-mirror from kubuntu.com)
[01:06] <oskude> runevi, roger
[01:06] <beast> is there any1 that can help me with some questions on ubuntu and a windows network before i download it? Pls
[01:06] <Subhuman> freelove, yes, or jus right click the panel u want at the bottom, click properties, then in the drop down select "bottom"
[01:06] <Seveas> ah, that's probably the proble, ask in #kubuntu what to do now
[01:07] <FallenHitokiri> Seveas: okay thanks
[01:08] <beast> up to now i have only used windows 2003 server. can i create a domain with ubuntu
[01:08] <eXistenZ> hello, I think one of the programs has messed up with my libs, and now I get this error: http://pastebin.com/459357 when I try to open some programs, can anyone help me?
[01:08] <andrew_> Thanks, first option in that howto fixed it. A bit bizarre
[01:08] <adele> I can only ever see the 1 computer in my Samba workgroup. What tools can I use to trouble shoot?
[01:08] <adele> any ideas?
[01:08] <adele> using webmin
[01:08] <odie5533> Are Intel Processors better at running multiple programs than AMD?
[01:09] <Subhuman> odie5533,  no AMD are better at multitasking
[01:09] <adele> why a domain?
[01:09] <Subhuman> odie5533,  intel are better at running single programs faster
[01:09] <Seveas> odie5533, is an apple better than an orange in fruityness?
[01:09] <Subhuman> but itz only slight from what i have seen
[01:09] <beast> it is what i am used 2
[01:10] <Seveas> it's complete nonsense that one is 'better' than the other in this respect
[01:10] <odie5533> Seveas: I'd have to disagree, oranges are much fruitier
[01:10] <sunshine82> i would like to move some  files from the desktop to a folder
[01:10] <Subhuman> Seveas, you can see in benchmarks that AMD handle multiple programs better.
[01:10] <sunshine82> i know it mv but i dont know how to type it
[01:10] <odie5533> Then... is Sun Java slower on Ubuntu than on Windows?
[01:10] <Subhuman> i always go  for AMD anyway cuz there more power for your money.
[01:11] <Seveas> Subhuman, more heat too
[01:11] <defiance> ..
[01:11] <defiance> more heat?
[01:11] <defiance> On an amd? XD
[01:11] <Seveas> amds produce more heat per MHz
[01:11] <defiance> Versus P4's? Prescott!?
[01:12] <Gostie> I've just installed ubuntu and I'm wondering how I can enable the root account?
[01:12] <frogzoo> in nethack-qt the display is all wrong @ 1200x800 - any ideas to set it up properly?
[01:12] <defiance> Haha, well, P4's are less effective per mhz.
[01:12] <Subhuman> Seveas, but thats nothing,
[01:12] <oskude> sunshine82, are you in Terminal ? Applications->Accessories->Terminal ?
[01:12] <Rarj> can anyone tell me how to get my HDD mounted under Ubuntu Live 5.10 ?
[01:12] <Seveas> defiance, I disagree, but let's keep it at that and stop bing off-topic
[01:12] <adele> a domain for a subnet?
[01:12] <Seveas> Rarj, mount /dev/your_drive /path/to/mountpoint
[01:12] <zandaa> I had a really weird coincidence yesterday or the day before O_O....
[01:12] <gum5h03> runevi: did u figure out what that process was doing? i had to step away
[01:12] <Seveas> Rarj, or system -> admin -> disks
[01:13] <sunshine82> oskude im in terminal
[01:13] <Rarj> yes, i tried the disks option.... all the partitions come up as inaccessible
[01:13] <zandaa> Seveas, guess what... I was on Windows, on MSN, changed my display picture to Tux, and my case temperature dropped a few degrees (weird coincidence ey?)
[01:13] <Seveas> zandaa, freaky :)
[01:14] <Subhuman> lol.
[01:14] <oskude> sunshine82, what do you want to move and to where ?
[01:14] <zandaa> Seveas, I know.. it was cool though
[01:14] <sunshine82> oskude do i put the one it from first or the one it goin to first eg. mv (where the files are)(where the files are goin)
[01:14] <hawking> The bastille package in repositories is for debian sarge and doesn't work properly in ubuntu breezy...where should i report that?
[01:14] <zandaa> Tux pwns all computers!!!
[01:14] <adele> Gostie 'sudo passwd root'
[01:14] <Subhuman> zandaa, my cpu runs 57C no matter what i do :P
[01:14] <Seveas> hawking, nowhere, using packages from debian on Ubuntu is totally unsupported
[01:14] <oskude> sunshine82, mv (this) (there)
[01:14] <Gostie> cheers adele
[01:14] <zandaa> Subhuman, hehe I've installed a new cooler too, so that helps a lot
[01:15] <hawking> Seveas : sad isn't it?
[01:15] <zandaa> Subhuman, but it's my case temp, not my CPU temp
[01:15] <Seveas> hawking, no
[01:15] <adele> anyone had samba workgroup problems?
[01:15] <sunshine82> oskude ok what the location of the desktop
[01:15] <eXistenZ> How can I know the packages I recently installed?
[01:15] <Seveas> hawking, use the ubuntu package
[01:15] <oskude> sunshine82, "~/Desktop"
[01:15] <hawking> Seveas : is there an ubuntu package for bastille?
[01:16] <Seveas> !info bastille
[01:16] <oskude> sunshine82, "~/" shows allways to your home directory
[01:16] <Subhuman> zandaa, I'm still running the lame factory fan/heatsink, I would get a better cooler, but next year ima probably upgrade all my stuff.
[01:16] <ubotu> bastille: (Security hardening tool), section universe/admin, is optional. Version: 1:2.1.1-11 (breezy), Packaged size: 357 kB, Installed size: 1504 kB
[01:16] <Seveas> so yes...
[01:16] <Rarj> in the disks option, all partitions come up as inaccessible
[01:16] <zandaa> eXistenZ, go into synaptic package manager, schoose Status, and then in the list there should be the option "installed"
[01:16] <hawking> Seveas : thx
[01:16] <eXistenZ> zandaa, I need the packages I Installed recently
[01:17] <oskude> sunshine82, the complete path would be "/home/yourusername/Desktop/"
[01:17] <zandaa> eXistenZ, ah sorry I misunderstood you there for a moment... I dunno where it shows the date of installation for packages
[01:17] <Seveas> eXistenZ, ls -lt /var/lib/dpkg/info
[01:17] <Rarj> even formatting doesnt work
[01:18] <Seveas> piping it through less may help :)
[01:18] <Rarj> any ideas anyone ? :)
[01:19] <primo|ubuntu> is there a nickserv command to retrieve a list of valid nick characters?
[01:19] <sunshine82> oskude cool i got it move to the folder im just tryin to figure out how to fix the nex problem
[01:19] <Rarj> ..
[01:19] <adele> Seveas thats kewl
[01:20] <Rarj> is there any way i can do a low level format for my HDD ?
[01:20] <Rarj> inubuntu?
[01:20] <hawking> Seveas : there is no ubuntu package for bastille here is the explanation of the ubuntu package : "...This package has been specifically modified to work for
[01:20] <hawking> Debian GNU/Linux.
[01:20] <hawking> "
[01:20] <Useful-> low level? You mean just formatting your drive, Rarj?
[01:21] <Rarj> yes
[01:21] <zandaa> how do I do a total removal of a program I installed with apt-get?
[01:21] <Rarj> im on a laptop
[01:21] <Rarj> yesterday i tried installing debian sarge
[01:21] <Rarj> and the filesystem went kaput
[01:21] <sunshine82> oskude i need to check if this is correct /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build
[01:21] <Rarj> now i get an GRUB error 15
[01:21] <oskude> zandaa, apt-get --purge remove <package>
[01:21] <Useful-> certainly rarj, there are many filesystems you can use
[01:22] <zandaa> oskude, thanks a lot
[01:22] <Rarj> i tried the ext3, it said it couldnt mount the partition
[01:22] <beast> is it worth it to install ubuntu as a server on a windows network?
[01:22] <gum5h03> rarj sounds like you have an MBR issue
[01:22] <Senkie> hoi
[01:22] <zandaa> I installed this thing called 'ack' it should be a kanji code converter, but I can't start the program
[01:22] <Useful-> Rarj: you tried formatting it or just mounting it?
[01:22] <oskude> sunshine82, type "uname -r" in the terminal and it shows your kernel version
[01:22] <Rarj> and now on ubuntu Live, all partitions come up as inaccessible
[01:22] <Rarj> formatting
[01:22] <jpjacobs> Rarj, yes, if you mean putting zero's all over the drive, use dd if=/dev/zero of=(your hd) , but it will take a while (oh don't do this on a mounted drive)
[01:23] <sunshine82> oskude this is the make file http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5609
[01:23] <Rarj> ok
[01:23] <Rarj> i had a dual boot of XP and SUSE
[01:23] <Rarj> now i cant boot
[01:23] <Seveas> hawking, apt disagrees with you: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5610
[01:23] <jpjacobs> but think twice, it is very irreversible ;)
[01:23] <Rarj> error 15 Grub loader
[01:24] <Rarj> ubuntu doesnt mount the hdd or the usb flash drive
[01:24] <oskude> sunshine82, i would leave that line like it is and try...
[01:24] <zandaa> Rarj, I think that's gonna need a total wiping of the HDD if I hear that....
[01:24] <defiance> Revellion, XD
[01:24] <sunshine82> oskude i know my kernel that not the problem the problem is the driver for my webcam was created for 2.4
[01:24] <Revellion> defiance: :)
[01:24] <Nikusan> Any changes I try make to my applications menu using smeg dont work, smeg lets me move icons around, but they dont actually move. And it wont let me delete any icons. anyone know why?
[01:25] <oskude> sunshine82, well, then you need kernel 2.4
[01:25] <zandaa> is there a program that can display tv-tuner data???
[01:25] <Rarj> exactly, thats what im planning to do.... (hdd format)
[01:25] <gum5h03> rarj, go download dban from sourceforge
[01:25] <gum5h03> it's a forensic data destroyer, very low level
[01:25] <sunshine82> oskude i corrected the first two lines i made sure those two files where in the folder butr i need to figur outt the last line because im gettin a new error
[01:25] <jpjacobs> Rarj, see  http://www.gentoo.org/doc/de/grub-error-guide.xml
[01:25] <Seveas> NiklasH_1ork, not moving around -> bug in gnome-menus
[01:25] <Seveas> Nikusan*
[01:26] <Rarj> thanks :)
[01:26] <zandaa> Seveas, are you aware of any software that can be run on Ubuntu to display TV-tuner input?
[01:26] <oskude> sunshine82, i have build some programs and i have NEVER messed with makefiles....
[01:26] <hawking> SEveas : although the program gives the error "ERROR:   System is not running a stable Debian GNU/Linux version. Setting to 3.0" twice
[01:26] <Seveas> zandaa, mythtv
[01:26] <zandaa> seveas, just through repos?
[01:26] <Seveas> hawking, right
[01:26] <Seveas> zandaa, yup
[01:26] <Rarj> where will it save the dban file on a live system, if the HDD cant be mounted ?
[01:26] <Rarj> ram ?
[01:26] <oskude> sunshine82, do you have experience with makefiles, or compiling ?
[01:27] <Rarj> swap ?
[01:27] <Seveas> hawking, that should still work on Ubuntu
[01:27] <gum5h03> dban is a live cd
[01:27] <Nikusan> Seveas, is there any way I can work around it?
[01:27] <sunshine82> oskude there is a way for it to work on 2.6 the person who created the driver started to figure it out but he gave up i guess or ran out of money
[01:27] <hawking> Seveas : it gives a bunch of errors when you try to apply the configurations
[01:27] <sunshine82> oskude ive got this far ok i just need to fix one more thing and it would work
[01:27] <oskude> sunshine82, well, i can only try to help track your errors, post on pastebin
[01:27] <Seveas> hawking, and what's the error you get when trying the sarge deb?
[01:28] <Seveas> Nikusan, no
[01:28] <gum5h03> reboot laptop, put in dban, run the data destroyer, intstall ubuntu after the data has been wiped
[01:29] <zandaa> Seveas, I got problem http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5612
[01:29] <jpjacobs> gotta go, Rarj good luck with the disk
[01:29] <Rarj> thank you
[01:30] <Seveas> zandaa, sources.list on the pastebin please
[01:30] <sunshine82> oskude this is the last error i got when i placed the files the make file need ed into the foder it was directed to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5611
[01:30] <sunshine82> oskude you see it now have an error created nw802.c
[01:30] <zandaa> seveas, where is the sources.list again?
[01:30] <sunshine82> oskude you see it now have an error created nw802.o
[01:31] <zandaa> seveas, found it
[01:31] <zandaa> Seveas, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5613
[01:31] <beast> is there anywhere i can go for very basic help?
[01:32] <oskude> sunshine82, did you "patch" the 2.4 version of this "nw802" or are you trying to compile the "normal" 2.4 version ?
[01:33] <sunshine82> oskude yea i patch the one that suppose to make it work on 2.6 but it doesnt
[01:34] <sunshine82> oskude http://nw802.sourceforge.net/news.html
[01:34] <oskude> sunshine82, what compiler version (gcc) do they recommend in their readme or so (breezy standard is 4.0)
[01:34] <adele> how do I get a channel list again?
[01:35] <hawking> Seveas : have a look http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5614
[01:35] <sunshine82> oskude i dont understand the question
[01:36] <kemik> argh
[01:36] <kemik> setting up a  mailserver is a mystery
[01:36] <oskude> sunshine82, ill try to find, sec...
[01:36] <Oetzi> hi can anyone tell me where I can find a good samba-cups howto?
[01:36] <hawking> Seveas : how can i rename the swap? It usually said this --> Rename the swap file to allow Bastille
[01:36] <hawking>  to make desired file modifications.
[01:37] <j813> guys is it safe to add another line in "Menu.lst" for my other Distro? Can I put it on the end of the document? :)
[01:37] <Loevborg> anyone have a clue why my gnome menus ("Appliactions") aren't localized to German?
[01:37] <oskude> sunshine82, did you get that source code from CVS ?
[01:38] <smo> j813; perfectly fine .. just put it outside of the large loud warnings about automagical configuration
[01:38] <sunshine82> oskude yea
[01:39] <etrain> i need some help with (home networking) to be able to share folders with my windows machine and i'm having no luck in the forums
[01:39] <sunshine82> oskude this is there readme file http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5615
[01:39] <oskude> sunshine82, well, CVS != stable... and its pretty old too
[01:40] <ejofee> is there any how to page on adding sources to adept (or synaptic, apt-get)
[01:41] <psychocat> is there a way to clear apt-get from packages that are having trouble being installed?
[01:41] <psychocat> ejofee: what are you trying to do?
[01:42] <psychocat> is there a way to clear apt-get from packages that are having trouble being installed?
[01:42] <sunshine82> oskude any ideas
[01:42] <ejofee> psychocat: it's my first day on ubuntu; i could find no gaim-silc and i remember i heard a few weeks ago that ubuntu had something like "the multiverse". i want to add that.
[01:42] <BlueDevil> ubotu: tell ejofee about repos
[01:43] <oskude> sunshine82, its a long shot, but try gcc-3.4
[01:43] <ejofee> btw, do you people think i will find silc on ubuntu?
[01:43] <psychocat> ejofee: all you have to do is edit /etc/apt/sources.list as root.  uncheck the repositories for multiverse and universe
[01:43] <BlueDevil> ejofee: yes
[01:43] <ejofee> it seems ubuntu is somehow silc-free, and i really don't know why
[01:43] <esters> hello there
[01:43] <ejofee> psychocat: which touches another problem: why can't i access root?
[01:43] <psychocat> ejofee: then sudo apt-get update and then upgrade
[01:44] <esters> i have a problem with mozzila FF
[01:44] <psychocat> ejofee: use sudo
[01:44] <esters> when i enter a page
[01:44] <esters> it closes
[01:44] <esters> FF
[01:44] <ejofee> psychocat: thank you
[01:44] <esters> why?
[01:44] <ejofee> BlueDevil: thank you
[01:44] <psychocat> ejofee: np :)
[01:44] <ejofee> :)
[01:44] <BlueDevil> yw
[01:45] <sunshine82> oskude ok it installed how do i use it
[01:45] <psychocat> esters: try running from terminal or konsole and see what error you get, then post it to the pastebin
[01:45] <hmpedersen> Mornin
[01:45] <ejofee> !easysource
[01:45] <ubotu> well, easysource is For an easy to use custom sources.list configurator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[01:45] <esters> psychocat, ok
[01:46] <oskude> sunshine82, AFAIK, in best case "export CC=gcc-3.4" (or was it "export cc=gcc-3.4")
[01:46] <psychocat> is there a way to clear apt-get from packages that are having trouble being installed?
[01:47] <sunshine82> oskude i type it into terminal it done what nex
[01:47] <oskude> sunshine82, then you try to build again
[01:48] <sunshine82> oskude so hw far back do i go
[01:48] <ejofee> psychocat, BlueDevil: the sources listed on http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic, are they all, that is, is this the best reference i could use?
[01:48] <sunshine82> oskude do i http://nw802.sourceforge.net/news.html
[01:48] <sunshine82> oskude again
[01:49] <BlueDevil> they cover pretty much everything, you can find additional repos using google
[01:49] <Rarj>  dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda gets me permission denied
[01:49] <oskude> sunshine82, "make clean" and "make" should be enough
[01:50] <BlueDevil> Rarj: do you want to wipe the disc?
[01:50] <psychocat> ejofee: I agree with bluedevil
[01:50] <sunshine82> oskude well i did that make clean and make im gettin the same error the nw802.o is error
[01:50] <BlueDevil> Rarj: sudo it
[01:51] <oskude> sunshine82, then you could try "Switch gcc link to gcc-3.4" in here http://pastebin.com/459335
[01:52] <sunshine82> oskude the is something wrong with that file nw802.c do u want to have a look
[01:52] <ejofee> psychocat, BlueDevil: btw, any idea at all why i can't find gaim-silc among all of the 17 000 packages?
[01:52] <sunshine82> oskude how do i switch gcc link to gcc-34
[01:52] <oskude> sunshine82, OMG, i know like nothing about c :)
[01:52] <oskude> sunshine82, sudo mv /usr/bin/gcc /usr/bin/gcc.backup
[01:52] <oskude> sunshine82, sudo ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-3.4 /usr/bin/gcc
[01:53] <oskude> sunshine82, and the make all like it was "sudo mv /usr/bin/gcc.backup /usr/bin/gcc"
[01:53] <oskude> sunshine82, and to make all like it was "sudo mv /usr/bin/gcc.backup /usr/bin/gcc"
[01:54] <bonvenon> does anyone know if Apple AirPort Express can be used for 802.11g at 54Mbit?
[01:54] <oskude> sunshine82, but before you undo that link, try "make clean" and "make" again
[01:55] <psychocat> ejofee: sudo apt-get install gaim-silc
[01:55] <oskude> sunshine82, but if that doesnt help, i dont know more...
[01:55] <sunshine82> oskude waht was that pastebin thing for
[01:56] <oskude> sunshine82, forget that
[01:56] <qt2> might someone be able to suggest a nice DARK skin for bmp? :3
[01:56] <psychocat> is there a way to clear apt-get from packages that are having trouble being installed?
[01:56] <hmpedersen> brb
[01:57] <Rarj> how do i change from a normal user level to root without logging off ?
[01:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> !udev
[01:57] <ubotu> it has been said that udev is a server used in Ubuntu (and other distros) that manages device nodes
[01:57] <sunshine82> oskude well iv done all the sudo commands u gave then make clean make it still doesnt work have i forget to do something
[01:57] <MickMcMack> Rarj, why do you want to be root?
[01:57] <Rarj> wanna do a format on the HDD, gives me access denied
[01:58] <MickMcMack> sudo -s
[01:58] <oskude> sunshine82, dunno, over my head then...
[01:58] <johndarkhorse> ubotu: tell Rarj about sudo
[01:59] <MrFarts> hey, any postfix gurus ?
[01:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> where is a good place for information on udev? any ideas?
[01:59] <oskude> sunshine82, sec.... telephone...
[02:00] <ejofee> any way i could use debian sources?
[02:00] <ejofee> (hope i didn't ask anything wrong)
[02:00] <_nano_> anyone uses Xfce?
[02:00] <hmpedersen> Back :)
[02:00] <zandaa> _nano_, yes I do
[02:01] <_nano_> zandaa, could you get the sensors working? I use inspiron 5100, and I can't seem to get them work :(
[02:01] <odie5533> I noticed a great speed decrease when switching from windows to ubuntu. Is there anyway to speed up or ubuntu or is speed the cost of open source?
[02:01] <zandaa> _nano), which sensors??
[02:02] <_nano_> zandaa, temperature (the one you could add in the panel)
[02:02] <zandaa> _nano_, which sensors?? are you talking about the desktop or something else?
[02:02] <Seveas> ejofee, no you should not
[02:02] <Seveas> Ubuntu has all packages that are in debian
[02:02] <_nano_> zandaa, yeah for the desktop
[02:02] <zandaa> _nano_, I can't even seem to add anything to the panel
[02:02] <topyli> odie5533: it's the prize of unix design :)
[02:03] <Seveas> odie5533, speed decrease?
[02:03] <zandaa> _nano_, found the add item option
[02:03] <_nano_> zandaa, well you could add stuff by right clicking on the panel
[02:03] <topyli> odie5533: also, the major desktops are genuinely big and heavy
[02:03] <zandaa> _nano_, hardware sensors right?
[02:03] <_nano_> zandaa, yes
[02:03] <ejofee> Seveas: i can't find gaim-silc :((
[02:03] <odie5533> Seveas: I can run 30 java applications on windows, and only about 3 on ubuntu
[02:03] <ejofee> Seveas: what is the difference between universe and multiverse?
[02:04] <zandaa> _nano_, it says no sensors selected
[02:04] <Seveas> ejofee, free vs non-free
[02:04] <odie5533> Seveas: there also seems to be a general speed decrease over all applications
[02:04] <ejofee> and if they are different, why do i find "universe multiverse" together?
[02:04] <_nano_> zandaa, yes that's what I get
[02:04] <Seveas> ejofee, apt-get source the package and use dpkg-buildpackage
[02:04] <zandaa> ok, hold on, gonna try somthing
[02:04] <hmpedersen> The only problem i have with ubuntu, is that latest flash for linux is 7.. And some of the sites i visit frequently uses flash 8..
[02:04] <_nano_> zandaa, the temperature display applet in Gnome works though
[02:04] <oskude> sunshine82, ok, im bak
[02:04] <_nano_> zandaa, it's just xfce i guess
[02:05] <Seveas> ejofee, that's just java being its crappy self
[02:05] <oskude> sunshine82, did you get the same error as before the new link of gcc ?
[02:05] <BlueDevil> hmpedersen: you'd have the same problem with any other distro
[02:05] <Seveas> odie5533*
[02:05] <ejofee> Seveas: (you said: "apt-get source...") are you talking about me using debian sources, or about gaim-silc?
[02:05] <hmpedersen> BlueDevil: Yeah.. But still.. It's the -only- problem i have..
[02:05] <zandaa> _nano_, maybe it is... have you looked to find a XFCE support site or not???
[02:05] <Seveas> ejofee, in this case debian sources, gaim-silc seems to be missing from Ubuntu
[02:05] <BlueDevil> hmpedersen: in that case, you're happy :)
[02:06] <hmpedersen> BlueDevil: heh.. Yeah :)
[02:06] <ejofee> Seveas: any idea why? like some general rules as to which debian packages are not to be found in ubuntu?
[02:06] <hmpedersen> BlueDevil: and ofcourse the fact that my bank is refusing to offer netbanking to anything but windows systems :P
[02:06] <ejofee> Seveas: ("why" = "why gaim-silc is not found in ubuntu")
[02:06] <BlueDevil> hmpedersen: you mean anything but IE :)
[02:06] <_nano_> zandaa, lemme check
[02:07] <Seveas> ejofee, in the case of gaim-silc: no idea
[02:07] <hmpedersen> "Windows is the only safe system.. Allowing any other systems to logon to our system, would be a security risk!"
[02:07] <Seveas> ejofee, is it in debian unstable and if so: for how long?
[02:07] <ejofee> Seveas: and no general rules as to which ones are ignored by ubuntu?
[02:07] <gnomefreak> what is the difference between gaim and gaim-silc?
[02:07] <ejofee> Seveas: oh, i see. thanks.
[02:07] <zandaa> hmpedersen, they don't know how wrong they are
[02:07] <BlueDevil> hmpedersen: you can fake the user-agent to look like IE's
[02:07] <hawking> how can i configure grub so that the password of it will always be the root password?
[02:07] <Seveas> ejofee, only the ones that are FTBFS on ubuntu and not yet fixed :)
[02:08] <Seveas> hawking, not
[02:08] <odie5533> Seveas: is there anyway to speed up java?
[02:08] <LoPMX> hile, does anyone here own an intel gma 900?
[02:08] <dashinho> This is probabbly not the best place to ask but... what's better fat32 or ntfs?
[02:08] <ejofee> gnomefreak: gaim-silc is a very secure irc protocol which is not included in the original gaim package (it is included in the windows version, instead)
[02:08] <BlueDevil> odie5533: yes, new proc, more mem
[02:08] <Seveas> odie5533, yeah, by throwing it out and using things written in a better language
[02:08] <hawking> seveas : no way to do that?
[02:08] <gnomefreak> oh ok ty
[02:08] <odie5533> Seveas: whats a better language? :)
[02:08] <Seveas> hawking, no, there is no way to sync grub with /etc/shadow automatically
[02:08] <ernie_> dash-ntfs is slightly more advanced
[02:09] <alp> odie5533: you might get performance enhancements running it with ikvm and the mono runtime
[02:09] <ejofee> gnomefreak: yw (you might want to try gaim-silc / silc, as it's quite revolutionary)
[02:09] <BlueDevil> odie5533: c# ahahaha
[02:09] <odie5533> BlueDevil: I just bought another 512mb of ram and no increase
[02:09] <Seveas> odie5533, C, C++, C#, hell even python is faster
[02:09] <hmpedersen> Zandaa: I agree..
[02:09] <hmpedersen> BlueDevil I've tried..
[02:09] <odie5533> Seveas: do you do any programming yourself?
[02:09] <oskude> sunshine82, you also know that the source code is 17months old ?
[02:09] <zandaa> hmpedersen, hehe.
[02:09] <gnomefreak> ejofee, is it a plug in for gaim to let you run irc from gaim?
[02:09] <Seveas> odie5533, quite a bit :)
[02:09] <odie5533> Seveas: which programming language do you find yourself using the most?
[02:10] <Seveas> python
[02:10] <gnomefreak> C :(
[02:10] <Seveas> and C comes close after that
[02:10] <topyli> gnomefreak: gaim supports irc out of the box
[02:10] <Seveas> C is good
[02:10] <hmpedersen> At the moment i'm attempting to transfer 2 dvd's full of christmas music to this computer from a large server.. (A server which doesnt have lan)
[02:10] <gnomefreak> topyli, than why the plug in in ubuntu for gaim?/
[02:11] <hmpedersen> Why is it, some people insist on using  pinnacles instantwrite? It -demands- to cut the mp3 fles to 8 chars!!
[02:11] <gnomefreak> C is confusing the crap out of me
[02:11] <zandaa> hmpedersen, I don't like any of pinnacle's burning software... just doesn't work right for me
[02:11] <ernie_> seveas- how is python for a first language to learn on?
[02:11] <Seveas> ernie_, excellent
[02:11] <topyli> gnomefreak: you mean gaim-irchelper? it just adds some more irc-specific options into the preferences dialog
[02:12] <hmpedersen> zandaa: I don't like pinnacle in general! I worked with their flamin software in videoediting for 2 years!
[02:12] <ejofee> gnomefreak: you could put it that way, yes. it's not irc, though. it's rather an innovation to the irc protocol (irc-INcompatible)
[02:12] <gnomefreak> topyli, yeah that is it and ohhhh ok didnt know that
[02:12] <ernie_> does ubuntu come with python by default?
[02:12] <Seveas> yes
[02:12] <gnomefreak> ernie_, yes
[02:12] <Seveas> lots of thing Ubuntu uses are written in python
[02:12] <Subhuman> ernie_, python is a great language to learn
[02:12] <Seveas> (update-{manager,notifier}, gnome-app-install to name a few)
[02:13] <Subhuman> ernie_, intuitive syntax, powerful, and nice to code in
[02:13] <Seveas> ernie_, you can create a palindrome checker in 3 lines :)
[02:13] <ejofee> why does synaptic say some of my sources are duplicate? is it because some are "universe" and some others are "universe multiverse"?
[02:13] <whyameye> when I run xemacs I get: Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion Warning: Unable to load any usable fontset, then the font in the program looks like crap. SUggestions?
[02:13] <ejofee> does "universe multiverse" include "universe"?
[02:14] <ernie_> is python ok to use on an older machine?
[02:14] <Seveas> ernie_, how old?
[02:14] <ejofee> can i safely remove "universe" or add "multiverse" to those lines?
[02:14] <Seveas> ejofee, yes, and multiverse :)
[02:14] <ernie_> 400 mhz amd k6-2 old
[02:14] <topyli> ejofee: yes. i just add them all to the same entry
[02:14] <sunshine82> oskude i know
[02:14] <Seveas> ernie_, that'll do
[02:14] <Seveas> http://www.kaarsemaker.net/home#guid65 <-- python++
[02:14] <samppa> ejofee: Remember to sudo apt-get update always when you have modified sources.list :)
[02:15] <Spee_Der> Good morning everyone.
[02:15] <oskude> sunshine82, you could ask on the mailing list of the program
[02:15] <ernie_> seveas et all thanks
[02:15] <queuetue> I've set up an ssh key with an empty passphrase to allow me to log into a remote server in a script.  This procedure works fine from an OSX box and a RH box, but when I try it under Ubuntu (Breezy), ssh asks for a passphrase -- for a key that does not have one.  Am I doing something wrong ... or is ubuntu's ssh broken in some way?
[02:15] <ejofee> Seveas, topyli, samppa: so wherever i find a source line ending in "universe" i can safely add "multiverse", right?
[02:16] <gnomefreak> Seveas, do you have one of those in english by chance?
[02:16] <Seveas> ejofee, yeah
[02:16] <oskude> sunshine82, dont forget to do "sudo mv /usr/bin/gcc.backup /usr/bin/gcc"
[02:16] <oskude> sunshine82, so that all is like it was...
[02:16] <ejofee> samppa: oh, i think this is what i forgot! i always was running synaptic / reload immediately after changing the config file (but shouldn't this do the same?)!
[02:16] <Seveas> gnomefreak, it's just one python thing, the 3-line palindrome checker. Shows a few of the nicenesses of python
[02:17] <ejofee> Seveas: thanks again.
[02:17] <gnomefreak> oh ok ty
[02:17] <hmpedersen> Zandaa: Is gnomebaker any good?
[02:17] <samppa> ejofee: I don't know about Synaptic, I don't remember does it do "apt-get update" while running
[02:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> Seveas: should i ask about fixing (suspected) udev issues here or -devel  or -bugs?
[02:17] <Rarj> hi again people...
[02:17] <zandaa> hmpedersen, never heard of gnomebaker before, what is it?>
[02:17] <samppa> ejofee: But I suggest doing the update manually when you have made changes to sources.list
[02:17] <Seveas> Kamping_Kaiser, depends on the issues, what's the problem/have you searched bugzilla?
[02:18] <HymnToLife> hmpedersen > sure it is
[02:18] <ejofee> samppa: right. thank you.
[02:18] <HymnToLife> zandaa > a CD burning app
[02:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> Seveas: i have bugzilla open. the problem is the floppy device is not being created properly. only /dev/fd is being made, not /dev/fd0
[02:18] <gnomefreak> zandaa, gnomebaker is a cd/dvd recorder with a gui interface
[02:18] <zandaa> hmpedersen, I have yet to burn a CD under linux
[02:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> on an up to date systems
[02:18] <hmpedersen> HymnToLife: Thanx.. i installed it a few days ago.. Havent tried using it yet
[02:18] <HymnToLife> for me it works just fine
[02:19] <hmpedersen> i havent had anything to write to disc yet :P
[02:19] <ejofee> what downloader does apt-get use and can it be set to use rsync?
[02:19] <zandaa> hmpedersen, I've lately only used windows to burn discs
[02:19] <runevi-terra> ... the pains of only one monitor . :-)
[02:20] <gnomefreak> zandaa, i find it easier to burn them in linux :)
[02:20] <zandaa> gnomefreak, why's that?
[02:20] <ejofee> any way i could use fuzzy package names in apt-get and still have them recognized (like "apt-get install uificatio" installing "gaim-guifications")?
[02:20] <hmpedersen> zandaa: Ive never had a working linux distro before i found ubuntu..
[02:20] <zandaa> hmpedersen, me neither
[02:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> ejofee: you would need some *'s
[02:20] <topyli> zandaa: i also think it
[02:20] <hmpedersen> ubuntu even identifies my dvd writer perfectly.. (usb)
[02:20] <topyli> 's easier to just burn stuff with the file manager
[02:20] <zandaa> topyli, and why is that?
[02:21] <gnomefreak> zandaa, its just less stuff to deal with like with windows xp burner its alot of searching and drag and dropping in nero well to burn iso isnt the easiest thing k3b wohooo very easy
[02:21] <topyli> zandaa: it would be horrible to have to launch a monster like nero just to make a simple data disk
[02:21] <zandaa> gnomefreak, I've only used nero before
[02:21] <ejofee> Kamping_Kaiser: please explain "you would need some *'s"
[02:21] <hmpedersen> Ive never used anything but nero..
[02:22] <zandaa> topyli, I've got no problems with nero, it works nice and simple
[02:22] <ejofee> Kamping_Kaiser: ohhh
[02:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[02:22] <ejofee> Kamping_Kaiser: stupid of me
[02:22] <oskude> sorry for off-topic, is there something "better/more used" than "partimage" ?
[02:22] <hmpedersen> Yeah.. Nero is nice, easy and simple :)
[02:22] <ejofee> Kamping_Kaiser: forget i ever asked that
[02:22] <topyli> gnomefreak: the easiest way to burn an iso must surely be right clicking the iso in nautilus and choosing "burn"