[00:00] <Ors> nosrednaekim: tx, i'll try that right away
[00:00] <ere4si> Ors, I pull out the ethernet cable before installing :)
[00:00] <andrey_>  <synaptik> thanks
[00:00] <andrey_> by by all
[00:00] <tekteen> bye
[00:00] <andrey_> sorry for my english. by
[00:00] <tekteen> andrey_: no problem
[00:01] <tekteen> also it is bye :-)
[00:02] <crackhead_25> can anyone help? help me get sound working again? it' sjust silent! it was working fine yesterday
[00:03] <nosrednaekim> crackhead_25» did you do a kernel update?
[00:04] <crackhead_25> nosrednaekim: i dont think so
[00:04] <crackhead_25> however, i probably should.. ha.. it's 2.20 or something
[00:04] <shaffy> does anyone know of a better/another compression program other than Ark?
[00:04] <ere4si> what's the attraction to the nick "crackhead"? - there's so many...
[00:05] <tekteen> shaffy: xarchive
[00:05] <ere4si> .tar.gz
[00:05] <tekteen> shaffy: or cli tools
[00:05] <crackhead_25> nosrednaekim: any help?
[00:06] <nosrednaekim> crackhead_25» 2.20? thats fiesty.... gutsy is the latest release
[00:06] <shaffy> tekteen: thanks.  much appreciated.  :)
[00:06] <tekteen> shaffy: np
[00:07] <crackhead_25> nosrednaekim: how should i check to see?
[00:09] <Arwen> argh --> enable Desktop Cube in compiz --> change horizontal virtual size to "2" --> rotate the cube -> lol texture failure
[00:11] <shaffy> tekteen: do you know how to install the rar wrapper for xarchive?
[00:11] <tekteen> shaffy: hold on
[00:12] <shaffy> tekteen: thanks. :)
[00:12] <tekteen> unrar
[00:13] <shaffy> tekteen: thanks again.  :)
[00:13] <markit> hi, I'm trying to install hardy alpha5 from cd, but does not recognize my laptop screen resolution, so I have just $. any way to specify monitor Horyz/vert at boot time? any workaround?
[00:13] <tekteen> !hardy|markit
[00:13] <ubotu> markit: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE PRE BETA (ALPHA) SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[00:14] <storbeck> markit: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:15] <markit> storbeck: will the install process resume then? after startx I mean
[00:16] <storbeck> markit: It's a config file for your X
[00:16] <storbeck> So yes.
[00:16] <markit> btw, it also seems not to get my italian keyboard layout, it has at boot time, but looses then with the X-cash stuff
[00:17] <markit> very hard editing anything then
[00:17] <Y-Town> everyone asleep?
[00:17] <storbeck> markit: That's also in your xorg.conf
[00:17] <markit> storbeck: well, since X is not run, should not affect
[00:17] <storbeck> Note: You can also set everything by reconfiguring your xserver-xorg
[00:17] <storbeck> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[00:18] <yuji> so why does everybody here like kde over gnome?
[00:18] <markit> storbeck: I set italian keyboard at boot time, it works ok in kernel boot options line, but then it starts, is unable to start X, and at $ I have a US keyboard
[00:18] <mrunagi> anyone here know of a way to edit pdf files on kubuntu?>
[00:19] <Arwen> mrunagi, install Windows in VMWare and then run Adobe Acrobat?
[00:19] <storbeck> mrunagi: sudo apt-get install pdfedit
[00:19] <markit> mrunagi: AFAIR, koffice can edit pdf, but I could be wrong
[00:19] <helpme> hello any one can help a mac user and lover to install ubuntu in a old pc ?
[00:20] <storbeck> helpme: What's the problem?
[00:20] <cinex> helpme: you would probably be best with an xubuntu alternative cd
[00:20] <cinex> if its old old
[00:20] <helpme> the pc it's only 64 mega ram
[00:20] <cinex> thats low
[00:21] <storbeck> helpme: I have an old laptop (pentium 2 300mhz, 5gb hdd, 50mb ram) with Ubuntu Hoary installed
[00:21] <helpme> I've tried to boot in text mode but it always go in graphical mode where it does not work very weel since the little 64mb
[00:21] <storbeck> It runs decent
[00:21] <storbeck> helpme: Do the server install
[00:21] <helpme> ok I try it live
[00:21] <storbeck> Then when it's done, apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[00:21] <storbeck> Or kubuntu-desktop, whichever you prefer
[00:23] <storbeck> You may want to also look into DSL
[00:23] <helpme> I don't see any server option in the boot screen tought !
[00:23] <storbeck> I don't believe you can do it on the LiveCD
[00:23] <storbeck> helpme, Have a look at DSL
[00:24] <Corty> Is there any way i can force the system tray to always show up two lines using kde?
[00:24] <storbeck> helpme:  http://damnsmalllinux.org/
[00:24] <helpme> reading
[00:26] <storbeck> Corty: Set the size to 48
[00:26] <helpme> right , question is : why ubuntu does not go in Txt boot if I select the txt install ? anyone can explane ? pls
[00:27] <storbeck> helpme: Which version?
[00:27] <helpme> lasted downloaded few minute ago
[00:27] <Y-Town> I am using ubuntu right now on a laptop that has win xp also (dual boot)  After I am familiar with Ubuntu and am ready to delete windows what all do I need to do to get Linux to use the NEW space on the HD?
[00:27] <storbeck> Gutsy or Hardy?
[00:27] <storbeck> Y-Town: Re-partition
[00:27] <helpme> Ubuntu 7.10 - Supported to 2009
[00:28] <Corty> storbeck, the panel?
[00:28] <storbeck> Yes Corty
[00:28] <teqsun> I am dualbooting winxp and ubuntu,  would it be possible to run a virtual machine through ubuntu of the winxp?
[00:28] <Y-Town> storbeck: just a matter of a resize then?
[00:28] <storbeck> Yes
[00:28] <Corty> storbeck, it is at 48px
[00:28] <Y-Town> :o)
[00:28] <intelikey> if the pros want a laugh.   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d1b061b05    or if the beginners want to go "wow!"    either one.   i was bored.    it's a draw poker game writen entirely in bash.
[00:28] <Corty> but i have 13 systray icons side by side
[00:28] <storbeck> Corty: Try making it bigger, I forget the correct size
[00:28] <Corty> ok
[00:29] <storbeck> helpme: You need the alternate CD
[00:29] <storbeck> helpme: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
[00:29] <Corty> 60px oh hell
[00:29] <Corty> now they scare me :/
[00:29] <intelikey> and i might add "those other two players will clean you out if you don't watch it.
[00:29] <helpme> storbeck I'm there
[00:30] <storbeck> Do you see the []
[00:30] <storbeck> Under the Download
[00:30] <Corty> Ah, thats it, you can set the size back again!
[00:30] <Corty> Thanks for the hint storbeck :)
[00:30] <helpme> Check here if you need the alternate desktop CD. This CD does not include the Live CD, instead it uses a text-based installer.  ? ? ? <<< this ?
[00:30] <storbeck> No problem, Corty
[00:30] <storbeck> Yes, helpme
[00:31] <storbeck> That will be a text only install.
[00:31] <intelikey> can anyone idintify the exact type of draw poker that is.  i don't know the name.    ?
[00:31] <helpme> Thanks <<< downloading
[00:31] <storbeck> np
[00:33] <intelikey> 'create node '
[00:36] <storbeck> intelikey: You might want to work out some bugs
[00:37] <intelikey> storbeck with ?
[00:38] <intelikey> storbeck ummm try it as #!/bin/sh   my bash is fully posix.    don't know what bug you are talking about though.
[00:40] <storbeck> intelikey: When entering in a large bet -> http://pastebin.us/?show=m4b5644ff
[00:40] <intelikey> storbeck oh krap.   it doesn't parse two pair correctly.   if two players have two pair each it can call the wrong  one winner.
[00:40] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: were you bored today?
[00:41] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido ummm maybe....   :)
[00:41] <Daisuke_Ido> heh
[00:42] <intelikey> storbeck well if you want to go in debt fourtyleven bazillion... that's your business    heh.
[00:42] <storbeck> I'm just saying, you shouldn't be allowed to bet more than you have.
[00:43] <intelikey> i could have made it not allow credit.  but made it "sky is the limit" on purpose.
[00:43] <storbeck> Well, I'm just letting you know about a bug. It's up to you if you want to fix it or not
[00:43] <storbeck> Doesn't matter to me
[00:43] <Y-Town> anyone using synaptic instead od adept on kubuntu?
[00:44] <intelikey> storbeck did you notice that it never mentions any kind of curency ?    i inteneded it to be an ammusement only.   like playing for match sticks.
[00:44] <storbeck> Ok
[00:44] <intelikey> storbeck did you find any "real bugs" tho ?    i did find the two pair issue.
[00:45] <storbeck> Um, well it causes an unexpected error. I'd constitute that as a bug
[00:45] <intelikey> any more information ?
[00:45] <intelikey> unexpected error <<< pretty broad range there.
[00:45] <storbeck> Did you look at the pastebin?
[00:45] <intelikey> umm yeah.  i'll look again.
[00:46] <storbeck> place a bet type the amount "1 to -2562352352571709" then press [enter].
[00:46] <storbeck> So I'm not allowed to enter anything over 1?
[00:46] <intelikey> oh i'm calling a script that you don't have.   heh.  i'll build that in as a function.
[00:47] <intelikey> yeah you're "2562352352571709" in debt dude.   pay up!
[00:47] <intelikey> :)
[00:47] <storbeck> XD
[00:48] <intelikey> man that's a lot of match sticks !
[00:52] <intelikey> ok i built stack in as a function. http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d15dda469
[00:54] <storbeck> Why does a=4?
[00:54] <storbeck> Place your bets.  a
[00:54] <storbeck> Raised 4  call or fold?
[00:56] <crackhead_25> can anyone help me get my sound working?
[00:56] <intelikey> you entered a non number and it was discarded as a "non-sensical bet" which the computer player sees as a check and then he bet 4
[00:56] <sir_corgi> Hello. Does anyone here know how to use a cell phone as a modem?  Is there a specific channel I get help with that in?
[00:56] <intelikey> thus the "raised 4"   not that you bet anything.
[00:57] <intelikey> sir_corgi over a blue tooth connection ?
[00:57] <intelikey> sir_corgi kppp might support that if your phone does.
[00:57] <sir_corgi> No. The cell phone uses a USB connection.
[00:58] <storbeck> intelikey: http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=m2773318f
[00:58] <intelikey> oh  then i don't know.    linmodems.org maybe.
[00:59]  * Arwen np: SuperMarioWorld_SS_100p_13145.avi | DivX 5 | MP3 | lol speed run
[01:00] <storbeck>  [ ! -z "$1" -a -f $1 ] &&\     <== Are you sure that's correct?
[01:00] <martijn81> how do i install vmware in kubuntu?
[01:01] <storbeck> markit: www.vmware.com
[01:02] <sir_corgi> How to I find a channels list in Konversation?  I want to go try to ask my question in another channel.
[01:02] <intelikey> storbeck that's what happens when you grab an external script and paste it in carelessly    it uses same varable names and hoses the main script.    amended.   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d712613f2
[01:03] <intelikey> not tested tho.
[01:05] <intelikey> ok it's not right yet.    heh.  worked here before i changed it.   but i forgot that i had used any externals    so scrap that paste.
[01:05] <storbeck> inaety: Error is fixed
[01:05] <ubuntu> meow
[01:05] <intelikey> yeah but it's not right
[01:05] <storbeck> Ah
[01:05] <intelikey> it's not parsing pairs correctly
[01:05] <ere4si> ubuntu: try #puppylinux
[01:06] <intelikey> i'll play with it a little more and either post a final. or admit defeet.
[01:06] <ubuntu> woof ;___;
[01:06] <ere4si> :)
[01:06] <ubuntu> its beautifulsnow here ;)
[01:06] <ere4si> hey!
[01:07] <Xdange1> hey guys... i'm using kubuntu 7.10..i can get sound with my headphones but not with my laptop speakers. What could have gone wrong??
[01:07] <ubuntu> on live cd partitioning the hard drive ;) this time I'll put a /home
[01:07] <ere4si> makes life so much easier ubuntu
[01:07] <intelikey> at any rate.   if anyone sees a simply way to do what i have hacked and cobbled    feel free to amuse your self.
[01:08] <intelikey> you use partitions ?
[01:08] <Josie> intelikey: What did you hack and cobble together?
[01:08] <storbeck> Xdange1: alsamixer
[01:08] <storbeck> Unmute front
[01:08] <Xdange1> storbeck: i have checked that
[01:09] <storbeck> It says 00?
[01:09] <intelikey> Josie i hate to post a broken script.   but http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d1d0736ee bash script poker game.
[01:09] <Xdange1> storbeck: and everything seems normal, nothing is muted
[01:09] <Josie> haha. nice intelikey
[01:09] <ubuntu> im so confused with qparted though ere4si, i used to be good with linux, what the bunny!! I mean,I delete one partion, then I cant delete the other one ;p
[01:09] <ubuntu> want a simple way to wipe the entire thing ;p
[01:09] <intelikey> Josie it doesn't quite calculate the pairs correctly tho
[01:09] <storbeck> Xdange1: It says 00 and not MM?
[01:10] <ere4si> ubuntu: seems strange - did you upset it somehow?
[01:10] <ubuntu> no, just started ;)
[01:10] <Xdange1> storbeck: yes
[01:10] <martijn81> when i try to install vmware i get
[01:10] <martijn81> $ sudo smart install VMware-player-2.0.2-59824.i386.rpm
[01:10] <martijn81> error: Unable to create channel for file: VMware-player-2.0.2-59824.i386.rpm
[01:10] <ubuntu> havent 'confirmed' any changes yet ere4si ;)
[01:11] <Xdange1> storbeck: i see 00 there
[01:11] <martijn81> is there anything i can do?
[01:11] <ubuntu> nevermind ere4si, i was doing it the hard way ;)
[01:11] <Ors> Hi there, I have a problem with installation.  It goes until 76% and then it stops.  Internet is not connected.   Josie :)
[01:11] <Josie> Haha, I bet.
[01:12] <storbeck> Are you talking about internal or external speakers?
[01:12] <Josie> intelikey: How long have you been using linux? you must be fairly bored to start programming card games in bash.
[01:12] <ubuntu> lol ill be fine ere4si ;) thanksa
[01:12] <ere4si> ubuntu :)
[01:15] <ubuntu> ;p ere4si  does it matter what order the partitions are? I did: sda1 10gb  / ---- sda2 3gb swap  ---- sda3 60gb    ^^
[01:16] <tekteen> ubuntu: nope
[01:16] <ere4si> ubuntu: I have swap after / then /home
[01:16] <ubuntu> Alrighty then, time to try this out ^_^ See ya coffee bean people! Oh ere4si same as me then :)
[01:16] <ubuntu> Thanks, see ya in a lil bit ;)
[01:17] <ere4si> :)
[01:17] <intelikey> ubuntu 3 g swap ?     can the kernel use that ?
[01:17] <intelikey> i know older kernels didn't do over 2g     idk about the new
[01:17] <Ors> Hi there, I have a problem with installation.  It goes until 76% and then it stops.  Internet is not connected.  Any suggestion how to solve this?
[01:17] <storbeck> I'm off.
[01:18] <storbeck> Later.
[01:20] <Ors> No one can help a newbie?
[01:21] <ere4si> intelikey, 3.5G is what I've read it can use
[01:21] <ere4si> Ors, you may have to leave it for a few min
[01:22] <Ors> ere4si: ok
[01:28] <NickPresta> Any known problems with the recent update? (udev and volume-id)
[01:29] <theunixgeek> :)
[01:30] <theunixgeek> How do I get Konqueror to stop asking me how to open HTML pages when I click a link? KDE 4.
[01:31] <NickPresta> theunixgeek, I would imagine you would change the file association settings. You can askin #kubuntu-kde4. They can help better over there
[01:31] <theunixgeek> NickPresta: thanks
[01:37] <yuji> meh. I sudo apt-get install compiz-kde and I got an error. now my windows are messed up. How can I revert?
[01:38] <tekteen> yuji: alt+f2 then type kwin --replace
[01:38] <Strangelet> Something is up with my flash in Konqueror, now flash does not function the way it should. YouTube videos have crammed interface buttons and the videos themselves refuse to load. Other forms of flash media cause problems such as severe lag. I do not know what the problem is. Flash functioned perfectly in the past. Could anyone give me a solution?
[01:38] <yuji> thank you tekteen!
[01:38] <Strangelet> tekteen: Yaylo! :D
[01:38] <tekteen> yuji: np
[01:38] <tekteen> Strangelet: hey
[01:38] <Strangelet> tekteen: Helping people I see. ;)
[01:39] <tekteen> yep
[01:40] <Ors> tekteen:then you could perhaps help me too ;-)
[01:40] <tekteen> Ors: what do you need?
[01:41] <Ors> tekteen: I have a problem with installation.  It goes until 76% and then it stops.  Internet is not connected.
[01:41] <tekteen> Ors: connect the internet
[01:42] <Ors> tekteen: previously I was told to disconnect...
[01:43] <tekteen> ubuntu likes the internet
[01:43] <ere4si> tekteen, he started like that - then without cable - then asked to let it go for a few min - seems to be a persistant issue
[01:43] <tekteen> what does it say when it is at 76%
[01:43] <Ors> nothing
[01:43] <Ors> the blue screen appears as normal
[01:43] <tekteen> Ors: what does it say it is doing?
[01:44] <tekteen> Ors: alt install cd?
[01:44] <tekteen> or live cd
[01:44] <Ors> says nothing, the one i downloaded and burnt
[01:44] <Ors> live cd I guess
[01:44] <tekteen> ok
[01:45] <tekteen> and when it is at 76% what does it say it is doing?
[01:45] <ere4si> Ors, is there any status bar message at the bottom?
[01:45] <tekteen> or above
[01:45] <Ors> nothing at all
[01:46] <tekteen> Ors: it has to say something (ex. formating partitions)
[01:46] <ere4si> Ors, did you see the last thing it was doing e.g. installing language packs or similar?
[01:46] <ere4si> it's important
[01:46] <Ors> no, it was 75-76%
[01:47] <Ors> it did not show any info what it was doing
[01:47] <ere4si> ?
[01:47] <tekteen> what did it do before?
[01:47] <bmk789> could anyone recommend an alternative to kooka?
[01:47] <tekteen> bmk789: what does it do?
[01:47] <bmk789> scanning
[01:48] <Ors> tekteen: there was the blue bar only
[01:48] <ere4si> Ors, there's always a comment for each action the install does - you need to be quick sometimes but it always says what it is doing
[01:49] <Ors> ere4si: ok, i will do it again and watch it closely :-X
[01:49] <ere4si> :)
[01:50] <Strangelet> Something is up with my flash in Konqueror, now flash does not function the way it should. YouTube videos have crammed interface buttons and the videos themselves refuse to load. Other forms of flash media cause problems such as severe lag. I do not know what the problem is. Flash functioned perfectly in the past. Could anyone give me a solution? (btw, Flash functions perfectly in Firefox)
[01:51] <Dr_willis> Theres been a big long issue with flash in konqueror - over the past few months. Ive not even ttried to use it in konqueror. I just use firefox
[01:52] <theunixgeek> I accidentally removed my task manager from my panel! :S How do I get it back? KDE 4
[01:52] <tekteen> theunixgeek: find it in the widgets and then drag it to the bar
[01:52] <theunixgeek> tekteen: thanks
[01:53] <nosrednaekim> just installed dapper on this computer.... talk about stone age :)
[01:53] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: Hardy is LTS :)
[01:54] <nosrednaekim> DaSkreech» exactly... I'm testing upgrades between the two
[01:56] <mith_> can i ask questions about superkaramba here?
[01:56] <bacon000> in 7.10 with free nvidia driver, i get "static" on my monitor.  it's like the frequencies are incorrect.  when i try to investigate in System Settings, all options are grayed out even after entering administrator mode.  any ideas?
[01:57] <Strangelet> How do I totally remove flash from my computer? So I can create a fresh new installation
[01:57] <ere4si> !nvidia | bacon000
[01:57] <ubotu> bacon000: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:57] <tekteen> Strangelet: sudo apt-get --purge remove flashplugin-nonfree
[01:57] <bacon000> ubotu: they don't work for me.  2.6.22-14 seems to break them.
[01:58] <Strangelet> tekteen: Tried that, it won't go away. XC
[01:58] <bacon000> i mean, ere4si ...
[01:58] <cleomar> algum brasileiro?
[01:58] <tekteen> Strangelet: it is installed in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[01:58] <ere4si> bacon000, sorry - that's all I know
[01:58] <Strangelet> tekteen: Would it be safe to manually destroy the plugin?
[01:59] <tekteen> Strangelet: yes
[01:59] <Strangelet> kthx. :D
[01:59] <bacon000> Is it a known problem that 7.10 with the latest patches breaks the binary nvidia drivers?
[02:00] <mith_> if i load a widget which uses python, it doesn't shown on my desktop, only the karamba widget's border...python and all other things are installed...what's the problem?
[02:00] <ere4si> bacon000, not from what I've read...
[02:00] <bacon000> ere4si: ok, thx.  i'll investigate more.
[02:00] <nosrednaekim> mith_» probably a problem witht he widget itself
[02:02] <mith_> nosrednaekim:  i've tried a lot of widgets i don't think so all of the widgets are wrong...
[02:08] <yuji> 	Option "addARGBGLXVisuals" "True"
[02:08] <yuji> 	Option "DisableGLXRootClipping" "True"
[02:08] <yuji> oops, what i mean to say is: anybody know how to deal with the error Warn: No GLXFBConfig for Depth32 when I run compiz --replace?
[02:08] <nosrednaekim> yuji» yes?
[02:09] <yuji> my google searches suggested I change depth to 24 in xorg.conf and adding those 2 lines did not help :(
[02:10] <Arwen> yuji, set your default depth to 24 instead of 32
[02:10] <ere4si> yuji, #compiz might help more
[02:10] <ere4si> or is it #compiz-fusion?
[02:10] <Arwen> #compiz-fusion
[02:11] <Arwen> but both #compiz and #beryl redirect there
[02:11] <yuji> default depth is set to 24. Thanks for the channel info. i did not know. i will go there
[02:11] <ere4si> k
[02:27] <Ors> ere4si: are you still there? At 76% it stopped again, it was Copying files... that isn't very helpful
[02:28] <ere4si> Ors, hard to help from here :) - was there a particular process it was doing at the time
[02:28] <ere4si> did you m
[02:28] <tekteen> Ors: how long did you wait?
[02:28] <tekteen> are you still waiting
[02:28] <tekteen> ?
[02:29] <ere4si> oops - check the disk?
[02:29] <ere4si> see the message ?
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> Ors» check whats running with alt+esc
[02:30] <ere4si> nosrednaekim, good on you for that command :)
[02:30] <Ors> alt+esc does not work
[02:30] <ere4si> maybe not then ...
[02:30] <ere4si> must be the disk
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> then pop up a terminal and run "top" or ps -ef
[02:31] <Ors> but even if there is a problem with the disk, the partition should eliminate that, I thought
[02:32] <tekteen> Ors: the cd not th HD
[02:32] <tekteen> the*
[02:32] <Ors> right, I will do that although I have already checked
[02:53] <Ors> tekteen: the problem is probably that my hard disk is less than 3 GB, sorry
[02:55] <ere4si> we all learnt something there then Ors  :)
[02:56] <nosrednaekim> :)
[02:57] <intelikey> ok as far as im concerned this is a final.   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d85c514  i did a rewrite on the hand parsing algrithm  it seems to work correctly now.   if anyone wants to beta test it feel free.
[02:57] <nosrednaekim> hand parsing?
[02:57] <intelikey> and i'm not sure what the game is actually called.
[02:57] <Daisuke_Ido> where's the spiffy ascii art?
[02:57] <intelikey> nosrednaekim poker
[02:58] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido that's your area.
[02:58] <Daisuke_Ido> hah
[02:58] <nosrednaekim> intelikey» ah :)
[02:58] <Daisuke_Ido> if only
[02:58] <nosrednaekim> dang...
[02:58] <nosrednaekim> C?
[02:59] <nosrednaekim> no! BASH!
[02:59] <intelikey> bash
[02:59] <nosrednaekim> thats crazy.
[02:59]  * nosrednaekim should read the first lines of programs :)
[03:00] <intelikey> fully posix "except" $RANDOM    $RANDOM not in dash   and i'm not sure about csh/ksh/kcsh
[03:01] <intelikey> */zsh
[03:01] <nosrednaekim> I'm sorry but I haven't a clue how to play poker, but thats one long bash script
[03:01] <intelikey> nosrednaekim i have longer.
[03:01] <nzk> Does anybody know how to rip the audio from a video file as an mp3?
[03:01] <nosrednaekim> nzk» use avidemux
[03:02] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: couldn't you potentially write a simple random number generator to make it fully posix?
[03:02] <intelikey> i have one.
[03:03] <intelikey> just didn't include it.    but it does use external commands   "not that the script is free of them"   just that the more you use the slower it gets.
[03:03] <intelikey> and that script is already "very"
   ;/
[03:06] <nzk> nosrednaekim: I don't see any options for outputting solely to mp3.
[03:06] <Daisuke_Ido> nzk: so export to wav and encode :)
[03:07] <nzk> s/outputting solely to mp3/outputting solely to any sound format
[03:07] <intelikey> !info mpg123
[03:07] <ubotu> mpg123 (source: mpg123): MPEG layer 1/2/3 audio player. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.66-1 (gutsy), package size 141 kB, installed size 344 kB
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> nzk» I'm fairly certain you can export the audio as mp3... if its an AVI (which generally have an mp3 as the audio track)
[03:09] <crackhead_25__> CAN anyone helpme get MY SOUND to work?
[03:09] <nzk> nosrednaekim: Thanks :)
[03:10] <tekteen> !sound
[03:10] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[03:11] <intelikey> can a user be not in any group ?
[03:11]  * intelikey changes group to ""
[03:13] <tekteen> crackhead_25__: type aplay -l
[03:13] <tekteen> in the konsole
[03:13] <fignew> yao
[03:13] <tekteen> what does it say
[03:13] <crackhead_25__> tekteen: do you want that in pastebin?
[03:14] <crackhead_25__> tekteen: http://pastebin.ca/924132
[03:14] <tekteen> yep
[03:14] <tekteen> thanks
[03:15] <tekteen> it found your sound card
[03:15] <tekteen> go to http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main and see if you chipset is listed
[03:15] <draik> I am in Power Saving under Monitor & Display. Power Saving is disabled. Why does my laptop monitor keep going pitch black?
[03:16] <tekteen> also in case you did not know I am following the instructions on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[03:16] <crackhead_25__> tekteen: it's audigy se.. it was working yesterday..
[03:16] <tekteen> crackhead_25__: have you done an update?
[03:16] <tekteen> rebooted?
[03:17] <crackhead_25__> tekteen: yeahi did an update..
[03:17] <tekteen> crackhead_25__: what did you update?
[03:17] <crackhead_25__> tekteen: do you know how to roll it back?
[03:17] <crackhead_25__> i just did adept's update thing
[03:17] <tekteen> I do not know
[03:17] <crackhead_25__> ANYONE KNOW a command to roll back a most recent adept update session, which might have screwed up my sound drivers???
[03:18] <Daisuke_Ido> can't you force an install of the older version?
[03:18] <tekteen> go to the adept_manager and go to view > view last dpkg run
[03:18] <Daisuke_Ido> assuming you know what was updated
[03:19] <Daisuke_Ido> hmm
[03:20] <Daisuke_Ido> dvd-rip defaulting to a nice of 19 for transcode is pretty unpleasant
[03:20] <Daisuke_Ido> and of course, you can't renice it without sudo.  so i'm running the whole shebang with sudo :\
[03:21] <crackhead_25__> tekteen: last dpkg run doesnt seem to show anything..
[03:21] <Daisuke_Ido> but on the plus side, i've got it reniced to -10 :D
[03:21] <fignew> Daisuke_Ido: what's wrong with a nice of 19... sounds right to me
[03:21] <fignew> so you want your system to be slow?
[03:21] <Daisuke_Ido> fignew: when the pc isn't being used for anything else and i want the video encoding to take up a majority of the cpu time...  yes.
[03:21] <tekteen> crackhead_25__: try this command in the konsole: sudo apt-get --purge remove linux-sound-base alsa-base alsa-utils;sudo apt-get install linux-sound-base alsa-base alsa-utils
[03:22] <fignew> It won't make a difference what the nice is if the system isn't being used for anything else
[03:22] <Daisuke_Ido> seems to.
[03:22] <Daisuke_Ido> same situation, 17-19fps with a nice of 19, 50-55 with a nice of -10
[03:23] <fignew> LOL!
[03:23] <fignew> then you have another process stealing CPU cycles
[03:23] <Daisuke_Ido> then i should really look into that
[03:23] <crackhead_25__> tekteen: now what? i ran it.
[03:24] <tekteen> crackhead_25__: restart your machine and see if it works :-)
[03:24] <tekteen> we just reinstalled the sound system
[03:25] <crackhead_25__> tekteen: ok, be right back
[03:25] <crackhead_25__> tekteen: how do i set ndiswrapper to autoload?
[03:25] <tekteen> crackhead_25__: it will on its own
[03:25] <crackhead_25__> tekteen: how so? it wasn't before..
[03:25] <tekteen> I think ndiswrapper -m
[03:26] <tekteen> crackhead_25__: sudo ndiswrapper -m
[03:27] <BanTam> does anyone know why, whenever i install startup manager it also installs firefox? and if i remove firefox it also removes startup manager?
[03:27] <Daisuke_Ido> ooh, maybe because it depends on firefox?
[03:27] <BanTam> i cant see why , firefox is a web browser
[03:27] <Daisuke_Ido> or if it doesn't it's a mistake on the packager's part
[03:28] <BanTam> startup manager has nothing to do with the internet
[03:28] <tekteen> BanTam: firefox is a whole display system too
[03:29] <tekteen> BanTam: it has other purposes but it still does not seem right
[03:29] <BanTam> it is? i did not know that
[03:29] <tekteen> xul runner
[03:30] <Daisuke_Ido> firefox isn't a dependency of startupmanager
[03:30] <tekteen> it should not be
[03:30] <Daisuke_Ido> at least not the version in backports
[03:30]  * beautifulsnow asks if it's possible to install the gnome based add/remove in Kubuntu, and if so, what's the application name for it ^_^
[03:31] <crackhead_25> tekteen: it didnt work
[03:31] <Daisuke_Ido> figured it out
[03:31] <Daisuke_Ido> yelp (the gnome2 help manager) is a dependency of startupmanager
[03:31] <Daisuke_Ido> and firefox is a dependency of yelp
[03:31] <tekteen> crackhead_25: ok
[03:31] <Daisuke_Ido> so there you go, that's why it installs firefox.
[03:31] <crackhead_25> tekteen: ndiswrapper didnt automatically load either
[03:32] <tekteen> crackhead_25: look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[03:32] <yuji> is there a way to modify the window previews at the bottom right to match my compiz layout? (3x3)
[03:32] <BanTam> thx
[03:32] <yuji> er desktop previews
[03:32] <tekteen> crackhead_25: pastebin the commands sudo ndiswrapper -l    and   sudo ndiswrapper -m
[03:32] <Daisuke_Ido> i noticed that the "make the layout more like windows!" storms are being voted down en masse
[03:34] <crackhead_25> tekteen: i got it. ndiswrapper to load auto.. now jjst sound still doesnt work..
[03:34] <tekteen> ok
[03:34] <tekteen> I am not good with sound
[03:35] <tekteen> look at the troubleshooting guide
[03:35] <crackhead_25> ANYONE HELP? can't get sound on soundblaster audigy se to work on ubuntu, although it wwas working yesterday??
[03:35] <Daisuke_Ido> lord you're impatient
[03:36] <Daisuke_Ido> are your speakers turned on? </windows support>
[03:37] <prince_jammys> please verify that your computer is plugged in
[03:37] <fale_> hi
[03:37] <tekteen> hi
[03:37] <prince_jammys> !hi
[03:37] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[03:38] <fale_> guys I have a big problem: I have download throught apt a package. Where can I find that package?
[03:38] <Daisuke_Ido> fale_: are you looking for the actual *package* or the software that was installed using the package?
[03:38] <fale_> Daisuke_Ido: the package ;)
[03:39] <Daisuke_Ido>  /var/apt/cache/archive i believe
[03:39] <crackhead_25> guys, anyone SOUND HELP -- can't get my sound to work again, was just working yesterday.. dont know what happened.. drivers fine, recognizes card, but still nooo sound!?
[03:39] <Daisuke_Ido> oops
[03:39] <Daisuke_Ido>  /var/cache/apt/archive
[03:40] <Daisuke_Ido> !repeat | crackhead_25
[03:40] <ubotu> crackhead_25: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com  http://wiki.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntuforums.org or http://www.kubuntuforums.net while you wait. Also see !patience
[03:40] <fale_> Daisuke_Ido: thx
[03:40] <fale_> Daisuke_Ido:  I love you
[03:40] <Daisuke_Ido> you're welcome, and i'm...  flattered, i think -_-
[03:40] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm not sure
[03:42] <ere4si> free love can be a curse at times :)
[03:43] <tekteen> when is it not a curse?
[03:43] <tekteen> it never ends well :-)
[03:43] <ere4si> it's not a curse if she's pretty
[03:44] <tekteen> then there is less chance it will end well :-)
[03:44] <Daisuke_Ido> free love, summer of 67, haight asbury...  did you see what they looked like?  trust me, free love is a curse.
[03:45] <ere4si> if you can't be with the one you love, love the one your with
[03:45] <prince_jammys> well it wasn't exactly free. you did provide the path to the apt cache
[03:45] <Daisuke_Ido> stephen stills...  ah, how i miss CSNY
[03:46] <tekteen> ere4si: I can learn to love no one :-D
[03:46] <ere4si> a troubled teen maybe? tekteen
[03:46] <tekteen> lol
[03:46] <ere4si> :)
[03:46] <tekteen> I just have fun taking down the idea of love
[03:47] <tekteen> I do it in my spare time
[03:47] <ere4si> you don't learn love - it hits you like a train
[03:47] <tuxwulf__> So how much swap partition is recommended?
[03:47] <lol> eciadsl is anyone familiar with it??
[03:47] <Daisuke_Ido> painfully and leaving you flattened?
[03:47] <prince_jammys> a rare moment in the kubuntu help channel
[03:47] <tekteen> tuxwulf__: how much ram do you have?
[03:47] <ere4si> hehe
[03:47] <prince_jammys> back to biz
[03:48] <tuxwulf__> tekteen: 1 Gb
[03:48] <tekteen> tuxwulf__: 2GB swap
[03:48] <ere4si> these days with 1G mem I turn swap off
[03:48] <Daisuke_Ido> oh no, don't let LimCore ever hear you say that!  i got flamed to hades and back for suggesting that.
[03:48] <Daisuke_Ido> (2x ram for swap)
[03:48] <ere4si> I said I do - didn't recommend
[03:49] <tuxwulf__> tekteen: Daisuke_ : Thanks...! I was wondering if this was still the rule of thumb...
[03:49] <Daisuke_Ido> i think his figure was...  1.2x ram minus memory used by running apps + 12% or something incredibly stupid like that...
[03:49] <lol> eciadsl is anyone familiar with it??
[03:49] <Daisuke_Ido> like you know that when setting up a swap partition
[03:49] <Daisuke_Ido> !patience | lol
[03:49] <ubotu> lol: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[03:50] <ere4si> !lol
[03:50] <ubotu> Please don't use "LOL" and "OMG" and so forth on a regular basis. This is IRC, not IM, and using those lines on their own is not required, and it is rather annoying to the rest of the people in the channel; thanks.
[03:50] <lol> !ballmer
[03:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ballmer - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:50] <lol> Bugga ths bot sux
[03:50] <ere4si> hehe
[03:50] <lol> Whateva
[03:50] <Daisuke_Ido> i don't say this often, but have you taken your meds today?
[03:51] <Daisuke_Ido> OJOGBUTCLSWHTRTVOTJBIWBMITLIHWTDHGCOAC <- my personal take on IMisms, and yes, it does mean something
[03:51] <prince_jammys> k plz sry thx :P
[03:52] <tekteen> ?
[03:52] <tekteen> I am not good with im chat
[03:52] <Daisuke_Ido> OJ's obviously guilty but under the current legal system we have to respect the verdict of the jurors, but it wouldn't bother me in the least if he were to drive his golf cart off a cliff.
[03:53] <ere4si> that's the us for you
[03:53] <ere4si> *usa
[03:53] <Daisuke_Ido> i assure you, i was a hit at chat parties back in the 90s when that was actually relevant :D
[03:55] <beautifulsnow> Why's KDE so slow... I was running Gnome + Compiz + 2 Virtual Machines, and it ran amazing... here I am now running KDE by itself, and it's sluuggggiisssh
[03:57]  * tekteen was sent to bed
[03:57] <tekteen> bye
[03:57] <prince_jammys> bye
[03:57] <ere4si> bye
[03:59] <Arwen> question: how do I write a man page?
[04:03] <ere4si> Arwen, http://www.cs.hmc.edu/qref/writing_man_pages.html
[04:03] <Arwen> ARGH, there has got to be a more sensible way to do it
[04:04] <ere4si> Arwen, http://babbage.cs.qc.edu/courses/cs701/Handouts/man_pages.html
[04:05] <Arwen> uh... please give me a sensible editor for this...
[04:06] <ere4si> Arwen, all I did was google "write a man page"
[04:17] <oem> what is the default compoents installed in konqueror for playing live radio
[04:19] <tekstacy> What's a good program for a kid to build a simple web page with?
[04:19] <DaSkreech> Kate :)
[04:19] <tekstacy> that works on 7.10
[04:20] <tekstacy> :)   I wish I could do that.  Xorg.log.old only had one unusual message about bogus length in write keyboard description. What happens is best described as a gradual lockup shortly after logging into kubuntu
[04:31] <heinkel_111> it locks up everything including Ctrl+alt+del
[04:31] <heinkel_111> it locks up everything including Ctrl+alt+del+F1 console (sry
[04:32] <heinkel_111> yet i cant find a runaway process in top that i can blame for my trouble
[04:32] <heinkel_111> could it be graphics card driver trouble and not show up in xorg log?
[04:34] <heinkel_111> hmm it seems to me like it is triggered by resizing of windows
[04:35] <heinkel_111> it just does not
[04:35] <heinkel_111> could kwm be the culprit?
[04:39] <Dr_willis> Dang it - I fullscreened a vmware session.. and cant rember the hotkey to UN fullscreen it.. :)
[04:42] <Daisuke_Ido> f11?  right-ctrl-f11?
[04:42] <Dr_willis> yea tryign those.. heh - i got it maxed on one monitor.
[04:42] <Dr_willis> not sure if i hit a bug in vmwareserver under windows or not
[04:42] <Daisuke_Ido> got a support case that i've taken under my wing at the moment :)
[04:43] <Daisuke_Ido> he's about ready to ditch ubuntu because the advice in the forums wasn't all that helpful
[04:43] <Daisuke_Ido> conexant :(
[04:43] <Dr_willis> sounds like someone who will NEVER EVER be happy...
[04:44] <Daisuke_Ido> no, it was *really* not helpful
[04:44] <gundam_rx78nt1> hi everybody.
[04:44] <Dr_willis> heh - write better docs. :)
[04:44] <Daisuke_Ido> i went through it and was thinking "now why the eff?"
[04:44] <Dr_willis> ive written 2 wiki pages.
[04:44] <Dr_willis> on the fusesmb and the isofuse tools.
[04:45] <ubuntu> hey
[04:45] <Dr_willis>  The thing about the wiki anf forums.. all the  info came from somewhere else. :)  People never want to go read docs these days.. but it depends on the task i guess
[04:45] <gundam_rx78nt1> I just updated my kernel to 2.6.24-8-generic and instead of using the ipw3945 drivers for my wireless, it uses the ilw3945 drivers and it doesn't connect or associates with my router.
[04:45] <gundam_rx78nt1> any ideas?
[04:45] <Daisuke_Ido> but he can't get online without going online, he only had a generic string describing his modem (from vista's device manager), which if the person helping on the forum had looked for it, he would have found that it's a conexant and there's a driver available.
[04:45] <ubuntu> this is heinkel?111 i need help with system hangups described earlier
[04:46] <Daisuke_Ido> gundam_rx78nt1: #ubuntu+1?
[04:46] <ubuntu> i didnt get to read responses cause i got hung up
[04:46] <Dr_willis> Daisuke_Ido,  DIALUP? ick.. I want nothing to do with it.. Good luck.
[04:46] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:46] <Daisuke_Ido> that's hardy's kernel, right?
[04:46] <gundam_rx78nt1> Daisuke_Ido ?
[04:46] <gundam_rx78nt1> Yes,
[04:47] <Daisuke_Ido> gundam_rx78nt1: yeah, #ubuntu+1 will be more helpful, because that's probably an issue they've run into
[04:47] <gundam_rx78nt1> Ok, let me try it there.
[04:48] <heinkel_111> hey
[04:49] <heinkel_111> anybody here that can help me with clues for solving my strange system hang-up?
[04:49] <heinkel_111> symptom: it is my desktop that stalls
[04:49] <heinkel_111> it stalls first time i resize a window after login to kubuntu/kde graphically
[04:49] <gundam_rx78nt1> heinkel: did you run a memory test?
[04:50] <heinkel_111> gundam_rx78nt1: no, but it appears to work well when using windows
[04:51] <icanhasadmin> is there a command to download/install a .deb from a website?
[04:51] <icanhasadmin> kget doesn't like it
[04:51] <heinkel_111> when my system stalls, i can still see "top" in a terminal window for some time but after a while it stops completely
[04:51] <Dr_willis> wget it . then sudo dpkg -i it
[04:52] <heinkel_111> it is not possible to use console Ctrl+alt+del+F1
[04:52] <icanhasadmin> ty
[04:52] <heinkel_111> top doesnot show runaway processes
[04:52] <heinkel_111> and xorg.log has no special warnings
[04:52] <heinkel_111> except may bogus length on keyboard description
[04:53] <Y-Town> Anyone know why when I try to set my monitor resolution and hit "administrator" it blanks out the screen and refreshed and does not let me access the area?
[04:55] <icanhasadmin> how would i go about getting katapult to start with gnome?
[04:57] <heinkel_111> katapult and gnome? isnt that a contradiction in terms?
[04:57] <heinkel_111> katapult is kde application
[04:58] <icanhasadmin> it runs in gnome.. really well... sorry i was just curious, i use both :P
[04:58] <Y-Town> Anyone know why when I try to set my monitor resolution and hit "administrator" it blanks out the screen and refreshed and does not let me access the area?
[04:59] <heinkel_111> icanhasadmin: i guess it runs because you have both gnome and kde on the computer then?
[05:15] <crackhead_25> CAN ANYONE Help me get sound to work on my kubuntu? audigy card. drivers seem fine. can see card. but still no sound (even though it was working yesterday)?!!?
[05:16] <heinkel_111> crackhead_25:do you also have onboard audio?
[05:16] <crackhead_25> yeah
[05:16] <heinkel_111> multiple sound card problem
[05:17] <crackhead_25> i'm not sure if that's it..
[05:17] <crackhead_25> i kind of tried a few of those suggestions before, and it didnt really work .. what do you have in mind?
[05:17] <heinkel_111> crackhead_25: when you start up you computer, the first soundcard recognized gets the first sound device file
[05:18] <heinkel_111> but it is a little bariable which soundcard is detected as the first one
[05:18] <heinkel_111> variable
[05:18] <crackhead_25> argh. now i dont see any soundcards in my cat /proc/asound/cards
[05:18] <heinkel_111> so it is a little variable which soundcard is actually being used
[05:19] <heinkel_111> no soundcards? that beats me, i just had a similar problem some time back so i figured i'd tell you about it, but that was the multiple soundcard problem
[05:19] <crackhead_25> could be..
[05:20] <icanhasadmin> use alsa, try options <cardname> model=audo
[05:20] <icanhasadmin> *auto
[05:20]  * heinkel_111 is logging out for troubleshooting in console
[05:24] <LeeJunFan> anyone here running hardy having problems with apt-get giving BADSIG errors?
[05:26] <vers> Can I get album art on kubuntu?
[05:26] <vers> like a music file manager?
[05:27] <Dr_willis> try amarok or the other media players
[05:28] <Dr_willis> I hate album art. :)
[05:28] <vers> well which one do u use?
[05:28] <Dr_willis> i use bmpx to play my songs.
[05:28] <Dr_willis> or amarok.
[05:29] <vers> rite on....i have amarok
[05:30] <Daisuke_Ido> using gnome, i kind of want to take a look at banshee
[05:34] <heinkel_111> hey...still havent figured out how to fix the system freeze problem
[05:34] <heinkel_111> but i figured out how to use irssi and lynx from console
[05:35] <heinkel_111> at least that was good for something
[05:35] <Dr_willis> heinkel_111,  what no screen ussage?
[05:35] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:35] <heinkel_111> screen? oh i am not a truely condescendent unix user yet... :P
[05:36] <heinkel_111> condescending i mean
[05:36] <Dr_willis> we got a  lot of adolesant unix users also. :)
[05:36] <heinkel_111> so...do i need my beloved kde back?
[05:36] <Dr_willis> i gotta go get some smokes for the wife... bbl
[05:44] <Arwen> compiz is so very pointless --> http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/4348/curm1ka8.png
[05:49] <regeya> Arwen: using compiz with kde 3.5 for expose and to work with awn nicely (yes, I know all about it being gnome-centric, thanks) having said that I'll agree that most of its features are pointless
[05:54] <regeya> okay.  I'm mostly idling in #ubuntu.  how the heck to I filter out the constand messages from FloodBot[1-3] in konversation?
[05:54] <Arwen> regeya, use /ignore
[05:54] <rrbox> does konversation have spellchecking feature, or can it be added ?
[05:55] <regeya> Arwen: doesn't seem to work
[05:55] <regeya> they've got three bots that keep setting and unsetting join throttling, constantly.
[05:56] <regeya> as in, it gets set, then unset, at least once every couple of seconds.
[05:56] <regeya> so the floodbots are living up to their name..
[05:56] <Arwen> rrbox, right-click the text box and select "auto spell-checking"
[05:57] <rrbox> ahhh coool
[05:57] <rrbox> didn't see it anywhere in settings
[05:58] <rrbox> also got thrown off ealier with no search field in konqueror, found all i had to do was type colon for searching
[06:04] <klobster> don't suppose there is an electrician in here?
[06:04] <Dr_willis> klobster,   :)   may be some EET's
[06:05] <klobster> anyone who knows what a 3 pole 40 amp contactor switch does?
[06:06] <Dr_willis> 3 poles = + - and ground, 40 amp is the rateing...
[06:06] <Dr_willis> contactor = Hmm...  Not sure. proberly uses a smaller switch to pull in a larger switch.
[06:06] <klobster> what about contactor (that much I got)
[06:06] <Dr_willis> Like a relay does.
[06:06] <klobster> smart man!
[06:07] <Dr_willis>  40 amp = that may give ya quite a jolt.
[06:07] <Dr_willis> V=IR
[06:07] <klobster> it looks like some sort of electro magnetic fuse, seems to somehow allow power to my heater
[06:07] <klobster> I know, switch breakers are off
[06:08] <Dr_willis> its to you furnace?
[06:08] <klobster> both have a one way button (make sense?); one is in the pushed in position, one is in the frefall-loose position
[06:08] <klobster> well, electric heater, yeah ^^
[06:09] <regeya> weird.  I have the floodbots ignored on everything including notices, but still the notices come rolling in.  blah.
[06:09] <klobster> I am assuming one is failing?  or something deeper?
[06:10] <klobster> msg Dr_willis: whoops, I didn't mean to flood this channel with non kde/linux questions.  sorry
[06:10] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:10] <Dr_willis> klobster,  like that msg. :)
[06:10] <Dr_willis> just dont get the #@&&!! shocked out of yourself.
[06:11]  * klobster can't stop laughing at my own stupidity
[06:11] <klobster> any idea which switch is in the correct position?  the one that is pushed in is making a slight humming sound.
[06:13] <Dr_willis> Normally things like that are set where you activate it.. and its held in by elctro-magnet type effect. so if power gos off.. it stays off. as a failsafe.
[06:13] <Dr_willis> but You may have somting totally diffrent. :) I would say go googling for a manual for the thing.
[06:13] <klobster> hrmm.  so there were 24 other crackheads logged in?
[06:14] <klobster> Dr_willis: yeah I been looking it's model c25dnf340.  so you are saying the "up" one (the humming one) should be the operational one?
[06:15] <Dr_willis> klobster,  once you start messing with Home heating, thers all sorts of safty issues.. Its hard to tell.
[06:16] <klobster> I know, IBEW might send a guy to break my kneecaps
[06:16] <klobster> CRAP HOW DO I DELETE THAT? KNOW THEY KNOW!!!
[06:18] <Dr_willis> or you  might start a fire..
[06:20] <klobster> hey, I didn't buy a Microsoft house, okay? ; )  I am aware of the risks.
[06:20] <klobster> but seriously folks don't do this sort of thing
[06:21] <klobster> alternate joke: I know, that's why i am only drinking light beer.
[06:25] <Toyd> hello can somebody help me please how do i set a password for root
[06:25] <Toyd> its urgent
[06:26] <Dr_willis> well one would use the passwd command to set a users password.
[06:26] <Toyd> nvm got it
[06:27] <klobster> lol
[06:27] <Dr_willis> :) you passed the test then young jedi.
[06:27] <Toyd> my konquerer was opening a lot of instances of it self
[06:27] <matt_> Help whats this channel called! And whats the passwd for this channel!
[06:27] <Toyd> so i am guessing it was because i didnt have a password a
[06:27] <Toyd> nd someone found that out
[06:27] <Dr_willis> matt_,  this is #debian , and the password is  BillGatesRocks
[06:27] <Toyd> you guys have any clue?
[06:27] <Toyd> what could have happend to me
[06:27] <Toyd> it was opening a zillion konqueror instances
[06:27] <Dr_willis> Toyd,  we are a bit confused on what you are talking about. :)
[06:28] <Dr_willis> that sounds like a browser popup to me.
[06:28] <Toyd> yeah
[06:28] <Toyd> no konquerer was opening itself over and over again
[06:28] <Toyd> in a rapid speed
[06:28] <Toyd> i couldnt stop them
[06:28] <Toyd> so i had to log off
[06:28] <Dr_willis> thats weird.
[06:29] <Toyd> i didnt have a password
[06:29] <Toyd> root password
[06:29] <Toyd> so is it still werd now?
[06:29] <stdin> !root
[06:29] <Dr_willis> i dont see what the root password has to do with  any of this.
[06:29]  * stdin kicks ubotu
[06:29] <storbeck> !info root
[06:29] <Dr_willis> by default there is no root password. you can not directly login as root.
[06:29] <Dr_willis> bot-be-lagged ?
[06:30] <klobster> Ubotu: dead?
[06:30] <Toyd> so how can i secure my box better Dr_willis is setting a root password sufficient i am guessing no ...
[06:30] <storbeck> !hug ubotu
[06:30] <Toyd> ??
[06:30] <stdin> there we go :p
[06:30] <storbeck> Mwahah, the hug of death ^_^
[06:30] <Toyd> when will i be prompted for the root password?
[06:31] <Dr_willis> Toyd,  the logic is that NOT having a root password - is more secure
[06:31] <Daisuke_Ido> Dr_willis: i hate conexant so much.
[06:31] <Toyd> just when i install stuff or also for opening programs?
[06:31] <Dr_willis> Daisuke_Ido,  :)
[06:31] <Daisuke_Ido> Dr_willis: BUT!  i was able to get him the driver that dell supplies
[06:31] <Dr_willis> Toyd,  you use 'sudo' and the initial USERS password. root has no password. thus cant login directly
[06:31] <Daisuke_Ido> so with a teensy bit of luck...
[06:32] <Dr_willis> Daisuke_Ido,  and a lot of cussing. :)
[06:32] <Toyd> Dr_willis i have no user profiles just root?
[06:32] <Daisuke_Ido> nah, we've both been very calm
[06:32] <Toyd> so how do i make a user profile?
[06:32] <Daisuke_Ido> !root | Toyd
[06:32] <Dr_willis> Toyd,  id be curious as to how you installed without making an initial user, the installer asked for a username, and password.
[06:33] <stdin> Daisuke_Ido: no bot
[06:33] <Daisuke_Ido> ahh
[06:33] <Daisuke_Ido> anyway
[06:33] <BanTam> do i need to have the kubuntu cd checked in my repository?
[06:33] <Daisuke_Ido> there is no root, the user you're logged in as is the primary, i'd imagine
[06:33] <Dr_willis> BanTam,  not really
[06:33] <BanTam> its getting annoying
[06:33] <BanTam> lol
[06:33] <Dr_willis> BanTam,  remove it then. Its proberly way out dated anyway
[06:34] <Toyd> [root@andLinux ~]#  !root | Toyd
[06:34] <Toyd> bash: !root: event not found
[06:34] <stdin> Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[06:34] <BanTam> i did disable it, just wanted to make sure
[06:34] <Toyd> i dont get it
[06:34] <Dr_willis> Toyd,  ! things are bot commands.. and the bot is broken at this time
[06:35] <Toyd> i set the password but i am never prompted for it why is that?
[06:35] <Toyd> how did setting the password help me secure it?
[06:35] <stdin> there is no root pass set by default, so nothing uses it
[06:35] <Daisuke_Ido> it didn't, it made things less secure.
[06:35] <Toyd> :/
[06:36] <Toyd> Daisuke_Ido so how can i prevent a random stranger from gaining access to my box?
[06:36] <Dr_willis> Toyd,  setting a root password will NOT secure things.  the installer should of created a initial user and asked for the users name and password.
[06:36] <Toyd> :/
[06:36] <Toyd> it didnt
[06:36] <stdin> then how are you logged in?
[06:36] <Daisuke_Ido> Toyd: are you running any services that are visible to the outside world?
[06:36] <Dr_willis> Toyd,  are you sure you installed ubuntu then.. you really did somthing odd if theres no other user.
[06:37] <Toyd> i think i skipped that part
[06:37] <Toyd> yes kubuntu
[06:37] <Dr_willis> You might want to do a reinstall then. Im not even sure that part CAN be skipped.
[06:37] <stdin> you can't skip that part, there is no option to
[06:37] <Dr_willis> unless it was some old installer/versions
[06:37] <prince_jammys> can't he just change the password for his user?
[06:37] <Dr_willis> I recall some bug ages ago where people were entering 'root' as their initial user name.
[06:37] <Toyd> it was the default setting it installed as root then
[06:38] <Toyd> i never specified a name and password
[06:38] <Toyd> it was on default
[06:38] <prince_jammys> Toyd: type in terminal: whoami
[06:38] <stdin> what version did you install?
[06:38] <Toyd> prince_jammys it says root
[06:38] <prince_jammys> type:: echo $UI
[06:38] <prince_jammys> echo $UID
[06:39] <Toyd> echo $UID = 0
[06:39] <Toyd> what does that mean?
[06:39] <prince_jammys> interesting
[06:39] <storbeck> Just make a new user with root permissions
[06:39] <Toyd> :/
[06:39] <prince_jammys> means you are indeed root :)
[06:39] <Toyd> i dont want to be root its not secure
[06:39] <prince_jammys> you could just create an admin user
[06:39] <Toyd> how do i do that
[06:40] <storbeck> useradd
[06:40] <Toyd> how do i not run linux as root
[06:40] <prince_jammys> you can do it from the GUI i think
[06:40] <prince_jammys> if you want to skip the command line
[06:40] <klobster> prince_jammys: isn't he already an admin user?  wouldn't he want to make a guest?
[06:40] <Toyd> can you give me an example please prince_jammys
[06:40] <Toyd> this is confusing the hell out me :(
[06:40] <storbeck> useradd user
[06:40] <storbeck> passwd user
[06:40] <Toyd> thanks
[06:41] <prince_jammys> yeah, he's root. but he can make an admin user, like the default user in ubuntu
[06:41] <prince_jammys> someone who has admin privileges but must use sudo
[06:42] <storbeck> sudo su
[06:42] <Dr_willis> prince_jammys,  the bigger question is how did he even get  that system installed. :)
[06:42] <Toyd> ok done
[06:42] <prince_jammys> Dr_willis: i don't remember how the ubuntu install goes anymore
[06:42] <Toyd> i made a useraccount so how do i run kubuntu with my new useraccount and not in root?
[06:43] <prince_jammys> Toyd: log out and back in as that user
[06:43] <Toyd> how do i logout from Konsole?
[06:43] <Dr_willis> prince_jammys,  Im pretty sure it dosent enable root by default, and it forces you to make an initial user. :)
[06:43] <Dr_willis> Toyd,  You mean KDE?
[06:43] <Toyd> yes
[06:43] <Toyd> in Konsole
[06:43] <Toyd> please
[06:43] <Dr_willis> look for a lotoug button :)
[06:43] <Toyd> no
[06:43] <Dr_willis> konsole is the cli terminal for kde.
[06:43] <Toyd> i need to do it via commandline
[06:44] <Dr_willis> CONSOLE is the  shell on the consoles
[06:44] <Dr_willis> if you are not in X. use the logout command. :)
[06:44] <stdin> "exit", "logout" or Ctrl-D will logout from CLI
[06:44]  * Dr_willis thinks there will be deeper issues here soon.
[06:45] <Toyd> and how do i login via Konsole with the new useraccount?
[06:45] <Dr_willis> Toyd,  its not konsole
[06:45] <Toyd> ok done nvm
[06:46] <Dr_willis> Normally KDM launches and you enter the user/password that starts up X and KDE.
[06:46] <el-gokulo> are you using andLinux? oO
[06:46] <Toyd> :(
[06:46] <Toyd> el-gokulo
[06:46] <Toyd> dont spoil my support moment :(
[06:46] <el-gokulo> ;P
[06:47] <kuba> i have really weird problem - just installed kubuntu and my speakers dont seem to work even though they are pluged in
[06:47] <Toyd> nvm works guys thanks a lot :)
[06:47] <crackhead_25> hey, trying to do a feisty to gutsy upgrade.. how do i expand my /boot folder? it says there isnt enough space to download or something.. ???
[06:47] <prince_jammys> very good
[06:48] <SilentDis> it lives!  woooo!
[06:48] <matt_> Are you using snazzy KubuntuDesktopEnvoiroment?
[06:49] <SilentDis> of course :)
[06:49] <Toyd> so is it save to run as root?
[06:49] <matt_>  Are you using snazzy KubuntuDesktopEnvoiroment?
[06:49] <Toyd> no
[06:50] <Toyd> el-gokulo still there?
[06:50] <Toyd> shit :(
[06:50] <SilentDis> pardon my offtopic-ness... but i just put my drives into a box with a brand new motherboard, brand new processor, and it worked first off.  Can dimdows say the same?  NO!  muhhahahahaha!  :D
[06:50] <matt_> Go to Sypnatic Package Manager>Kubuntu Desktop>INSTALL! and youve got KDE!
[06:50] <Toyd> every app crashes ;(
[06:51] <crackhead_25> can anyone help me? how doi expand my /boot folder so that i can do a feisty to gutsy upgrade?
[06:51] <storbeck> You don't have to do anything.
[06:51] <SilentDis> crackhead_25: /boot is full, or the first hard drive is full?
 are you talking to me?
[06:51] <storbeck> Just run the install.
[06:51] <el-gokulo> try it with gparted. but maybe it wont work
[06:52] <crackhead_25> i believe it says boot is full.. or not enough room in boot.. the hd is not..
[06:52] <matt_> For what?
[06:52] <SilentDis> crackhead_25: got a lot of extra kernels installed or something?
[06:52] <Toyd> el-gokulo
[06:52] <Toyd> any idea how come every app crashes on my new useraccount :(
[06:52] <stdin> you aren't using kubuntu, so no
[06:53] <el-gokulo> nopes. sry
[06:53] <crackhead_25> silentdis: probably a handful of older ones
[06:53] <prince_jammys> oh, i thought it was kubuntu
[06:53] <SilentDis> crackhead_25: might wanna just clean out kernels.  kmenu > system > adept manager
[06:54] <storbeck> Don't delete all of them though >_>
[06:54] <SilentDis> crackhead_25: do a search for 'linux-' and see what's checked.  probably a boatload of 'em in there.  pull the checked items for stuff older than the latest kernel.
[06:54] <Toyd> stdin i am using kubuntu
[06:54] <Toyd> i was humoring el-gokulo
[06:54] <stdin> then how did you install a root only system?
[06:55] <Toyd> want to see screenshot
[06:55] <Toyd> s
[06:55] <Toyd> i dont use andLinux
[06:55] <crackhead_25> SilentDis: what's diff between remove and purge?
[06:56] <SilentDis> crackhead_25: purge should get rid of the .deb file from the local store... i think that's the only difference.
[06:56] <crackhead_25> so i should purge?
[06:56] <SilentDis> crackhead_25: i'm of the mind to just remove them, leaving the .deb myself.  if everything works ok, then i just do an aptitude autoclean later ;)
[06:57] <SilentDis> crackhead_25: always good to have a 'plan B' ;)
[06:58] <el-gokulo> SilentDis, purge removes also the the config files and so on
[06:58] <SilentDis> el-gokulo: ahhh, thank you.
[06:58] <SilentDis> el-gokulo: not much for config files for an old unused kernel though, is there?  lol
[06:59] <Dr_willis> purge removes the system config files..  I think its time to reinstall.  and you may want to download the latest cd/release. Because its Not designed to do that. (there may be some bugs in the old releases that allowed it)
[07:00] <Bossmanbeta> anyone aware of a way of detaching a remote X application running via 'ssh -Y' for re-attaching later? (Just like 'screen' but for X apps) There's an old-old app called 'xmove' (last updated 1997) but it's very buggy and doesn't work. VNC and NX are whole-desktop solutions and doesn't work well when I want to run local & remote apps on a unified local desktop.
[07:01] <Toyd> Liar :(
[07:01] <Dr_willis> Bossmanbeta,  #debian had no idea eh? :)
[07:01] <Toyd> el-gokulo that means that you hacked me
[07:01] <SilentDis> Toyd: default install for <n>ubuntu is to create a user account immediately, root remains completely disabled and only accessible via sudo.  if you end up with a 'root only' system, you did something funky during install :)
[07:01] <Bossmanbeta> Dr_willis,  lol!!! stalker!! :)
[07:01] <Toyd> and started all those konqueror screens
[07:01] <Toyd> thanks for proving it
[07:01] <Dr_willis> Bossmanbeta,  I saw you in #LinuxChix also!
[07:01] <Bossmanbeta> Dr_willis, I checked #gentoo, #centos, #debian, #archlinux ... now here................
[07:02] <Dr_willis> Bossmanbeta,  if the #gentoo guys dont know.. well.. they know everything.
[07:02] <Bossmanbeta> besides the fingertip bleeding personal googling I've done :-)
[07:02] <Bossmanbeta> well to be fair ... #gento was dead
[07:02] <Bossmanbeta> so I'll try them again later
[07:02] <el-gokulo> Toyd, sry couldnt resist
[07:02] <el-gokulo> nice pr0ns
[07:02] <stdin> !ot
[07:02] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[07:03] <SilentDis> Bossmanbeta: hmm... i've spawned programs from one Xclient to another Xserver... but never actually moved them.  while logically possible... i'm not sure how to go about that either.
[07:03] <Bossmanbeta> SilentDis, Yea... it's my personal holy grail.... screen is the ticket, but of course, it's just for shell-based apps
[07:04] <SilentDis> Bossmanbeta: stupid question.. is there an 'xscreen' that does this?  lol
[07:04] <Toyd> ok nvm
[07:04] <Bossmanbeta> lol
[07:04] <Toyd> el-gokulo was right
[07:04] <Bossmanbeta> SilentDis, if I were so lucky
[07:05] <crackhead_25> SilentDis: let's see if this re-dist attempt works now
[07:05] <weedar> I'm uninstalling Kubuntu on my gf's laptop as I now have my own to toy with...Is there any quick-n-easy ways to remove GRUB and just leave the vista (yuck!) boot loader?
[07:05] <Bossmanbeta> SilentDis, the thing is the app dies when the ssh conneciton dies, becuase the app has no Xserver to draw to .... and nohup doesn't protect it
[07:05] <crackhead_25> use vista and repair install
[07:05] <crackhead_25> (load from rescue installation)
[07:05] <Toyd> i am using andLinux i am sorry to have bothered you guys its just that i am using Kubuntu and andLinux together so i don't know why i can't ask general kubuntu questions in here and why people like stdin have to be so bureacratic
[07:05] <Toyd> :(
[07:05] <weedar> crackhead_25: Hm, I'm not sure I have any boot media, nowadays all you get are on-disk recovery images
[07:06] <Toyd> this is just  a way for me to learn Kubuntu
[07:06] <Toyd> so i can make the switch easier
[07:06] <Toyd> eventually
[07:06] <kuba> can anyone help me out?
[07:06] <Toyd> but some people like stdin dont get that
[07:06] <SilentDis> Toyd: what was your original question?  i came late, and have missed any reposts of it.
[07:06] <Bossmanbeta> SilentDis, the ghetto-workaround I came up with was just VNC, but sized-down to the borders of the singular application, but it's really a poor solution ...
[07:06] <el-gokulo> Toyd, whats not worlin with kubuntu and andLinux?
[07:07] <el-gokulo> working
[07:07] <stdin> Toyd: there is no way to install a root only kubuntu install, just won't happen
[07:07] <SilentDis> Bossmanbeta: yeah, that sounds kludgy.  you know... wait...
[07:07] <crackhead_25> weedar: use the ondisk recovery installation
[07:07] <crackhead_25> (go to startup options.. and do rescue.. or wahtever.. )
[07:07] <weedar> crackhead_25: Ah, got it. I'll have to check which shortcut-key to press during boot first I guess.. F5 or F8 I suppose
[07:08] <SilentDis> Bossmanbeta: iirc, the people who make WindowBlinds (i know i know, windows app) make something to allow you to use 2 computers with 1 keyboard and mouse, and drag apps between the two.  i *think* there's a linux port...  might that be sorta up the alley?
[07:08] <Bossmanbeta> SilentDis, also it shows it's limitations as a solution when you want to run multiple apps off the same server... then essentially you have to either start another vnc server instance, or widen the vnc window... (ewww) ... 'ssh -Y' is the way to go......... but of course, I can't protect the app from a disconnect or have any versatility to reconnect as I would with screen
[07:08] <weedar> crackhead_25: That should only fix the boot-loader, right? I'd hate to wipe my gf's Vista, since I value my life
[07:08] <kuba> each time i start adept installator i get a dialog box saying that another process is using programs database and each time i try to resolve it adept crashes. i was going through "ps -e" but found no other instance of adept can anyone help me here?
[07:08] <Bossmanbeta> hmm
[07:08] <prince_jammys> !aptfix
[07:08] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[07:08] <Bossmanbeta> SilentDis, what's the app called?
[07:09] <weedar> SilentDis: Thanks for mentioning that app! I recently heard about it, but never got it's name :)
[07:09] <prince_jammys> kuba^
[07:09] <SilentDis> Bossmanbeta: Stardock systems is the company that makes it iirc...
[07:09] <kuba> yes, how do i use that?
[07:09]  * SilentDis goes looky looky
[07:09] <prince_jammys> kuba: try the command above
[07:10] <nuxil> man command
[07:10] <Bossmanbeta> ..hmm "multiplicity"
[07:10] <SilentDis> yeah...
[07:10] <kuba> in the console? event not found
[07:10] <Toyd> http://x-arcade.com/ does this work o Kubuntu?
[07:10] <Toyd> on*
[07:10] <weedar> kuba: to run written commands like that you open a Konsole window
[07:10] <klobster>  <crackhead_25> can anyone help me?
[07:10] <klobster> !!!
[07:10] <weedar> It's the command line interface
[07:11] <Bossmanbeta> doesn't look like there's a *nix port for that SilentDis
[07:11] <Dr_willis> Toyd,  you meand does the web site work?
[07:11] <SilentDis> doh
[07:11] <prince_jammys> :)
[07:11] <Dr_willis> Toyd,  or does the controller work?
[07:11] <Bossmanbeta> SilentDis, the website is already giving me a rash from all the winblowz color-theme-screenshots
[07:11] <prince_jammys> yes, it's making some pacman sounds
[07:11]  * Bossmanbeta gets some penguin-cream
[07:12] <SilentDis> Bossmanbeta: wonder what they think when they see their log and see Konq hitting it lol
[07:12] <weedar> I'd love it if rdesktop actually worked with the seamless functionality
[07:12] <Bossmanbeta> lol
[07:12] <Dr_willis> The xarcade  joysticks   (the one i have at least) uses the ps2 keyboard interface. they are seen as a keyboard. newer ones may be USB also I guess. :)
[07:12] <Bossmanbeta> SilentDis, PageDefault: Memory Address <X0BF001>
[07:12] <nuxil> next version of kubuntu. will it have kde4 only ?
[07:13] <SilentDis> Bossmanbeta: what was the appname you found before that's no longer maintained?
[07:13] <Bossmanbeta> "xmove"
[07:13] <stdin> nuxil: there will be 2, one with kde3 and one with kde4
[07:13] <Bossmanbeta> hasn't been touched since 1997, which means it officially has ford-pinto status
[07:13] <Dr_willis> a kubuntu4 and a kuduntu3 ?
[07:13] <crackhead_25> weedar: using vista to repair her installation.. even if it completely reinstalled, you'd not wipe anything.. just refresh the vista.. her docs and everything stay put
[07:13] <nuxil> stdin, good to hear.
[07:13] <SilentDis> sorry i'm so slow here, 2h worth of updates still going on in the background :P
[07:14] <kuba> aaa how do i run this aptfix?? typing !aptfix at the console gives "event not found"
[07:14] <Bossmanbeta> xmove is essentially an Xserver proxy... clever... but doesn't work
[07:14] <crackhead_25> weedar: as long as you use the vista tools, they should keep it all nice and safe.. even if windows sucks and is slow and has all kinds of other problems, they're pretty good at keeping you from effing your computer unintentionally.. it's part of their overcontrolling charm.. ha
[07:14] <stdin> kuba: read what ubotu said
[07:14] <stdin> !aptfix | kuba
[07:14] <ubotu> kuba: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[07:15] <SilentDis> stdin: so... i take it it's bad of me to just delete the lock file as i have been doing?  lol
[07:15] <stdin> SilentDis: if something is actually running, then yes
[07:16] <SilentDis> stdin: ahh.  yeah, i can see if something was running, but i do check ahead on that one ;)
[07:16] <kuba> aa sorry didnt get that, ill try it
[07:16] <stdin> SilentDis: that's what fuser -vik does, checks if anything is using the lock file and optionally kills the process
[07:17] <SilentDis> stdin: cool, thanks :)
[07:18] <SilentDis> Bossmanbeta: i'm sorry, your problem is making my ears bleed.  i must stop now.  NEXT!
[07:18] <Bossmanbeta> thanks for trying SilentDis
[07:18] <Bossmanbeta> lol ... you know the clerk at the DMV said the same thing to me... their terminals were *nix terminals... I figured they'd be able to help ... you'd be surprised how angry a city worker can get when exposed to a topic outside their mental cubicle
[07:19] <Bossmanbeta> j/k of course...
[07:19] <kuba> ubotu: thank you, it worked ;)
[07:19] <stdin> ubotu is a bot
[07:19] <ubotu> Yes, I can confirm that I am a bot. http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots for all information.
[07:19] <kuba> aaa :D
[07:19] <weedar> crackhead_25: "keeping you from effing your computer", I'm not sure I agree, but I love the phrase :D
[07:19] <SilentDis> Bossmanbeta: the only thing i can think of is hitting x.orgs full docs and looking for the one random command to do it at this point.
[07:20] <Bossmanbeta> SilentDis, the funny thing is, in my googling-journey .. I found about 150 forum posts about the SAME topic... each ended in the same way ... frustrated silence
[07:20] <Dr_willis> Sounds like a business oppurtinity
[07:20] <Dr_willis> go for it!
[07:20] <SilentDis> wow
[07:20] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:20] <weedar> Anyone know if Krfb (desktop sharing) for KDE3 does not work in KDE4?
[07:21] <Bossmanbeta> Dr_willis, If i were a coder........ maybe :)
[07:21] <crackhead_25> Bossmanbeta: aint that the best conclusion of all? lol. i hate it, too.
[07:21] <stdin> weedar: you'd probably want to use krfb-kde4 in kde4
[07:21] <weedar> stdin: yeah, I just noticed it was available, I'll try that before I start complaining ;
[07:21] <SilentDis> my 'coding' abilities are limited to scripting languages as well :P
[07:22] <weedar> BTW guys, KDE4 is looking pretty good, not very unstable either. Really looking forward to the next stable release of Kubuntu :)
[07:22] <Bossmanbeta> crackhead_25, yea it's the one that had me praying at the altar of Linus..... Inaminae padre spiritu linus pengooinnus bashus illigitimo
[07:22] <SilentDis> *ZOT*
[07:24] <SilentDis> damnit.  i need another cellphone connected to my computer, running another EVDO connection, and figure out how to setup linux to 'loadshare' between the 2 :P
[07:24] <Bossmanbeta> SilentDis, just get a riverbed WAAS appliance
[07:24] <Bossmanbeta> *don't forget to put a 2nd mortgage on the house to purchase it too)
[07:24] <SilentDis> huh?
[07:25] <Bossmanbeta> wide area network acceleration
[07:25] <SilentDis> ahhhh
[07:25] <Bossmanbeta> e.g. Riverbed, Cisco WAAS, Wanjet
[07:25] <SilentDis> while it's nice to finally have some form of high speed net access out here in the boonies that's affordable, it's still not fast enough!
[07:25] <weedar> Ok, tried it..here comes the comlaints :) Installed krfb-kde4 and set it to allow uninvited connections - on the other laptop, running kde3 I am unable to connect with krdc using "<IP_ADDRESS>:0"
[07:25] <weedar> Do I have to do more to get desktop sharing working?
[07:26] <Bossmanbeta> u running evdo as your primary connection? interesting
[07:26] <Bossmanbeta> that maxes out at like 2megabit doesn't it?
[07:26] <SilentDis> Bossmanbeta: no choice.  my options out here are Dialup at $85/mo, evdo at $25/mo, or satellite at $60/mo.  take your pick :P
[07:26] <Bossmanbeta> (downstream, that is)
[07:27] <SilentDis> Bossmanbeta: realistic speeds hover around 600k/sec
[07:27] <Dr_willis> Where in the world is dialup $85 a mo at?
[07:27] <Bossmanbeta> 600K bits or bytes
[07:27] <Bossmanbeta> probably bits
[07:27] <SilentDis> Dr_willis: Lyndon Station, WI.  Verizon phone line + extended long distance plan to dial into the Dells, internet service in the dells.  grand total comes to $85/mo.
[07:28] <SilentDis> Bossmanbeta: kilobits, yes.
[07:28] <Daisuke_Ido> note to self: never move to wisconsin
[07:28] <Bossmanbeta> so that's about 1/3rd a T ... well... better than the latency you'd get with satellite
[07:29] <SilentDis> Dr_willis: lotta outlying areas in wisconsin, and most of the country actually, that is the only option.
[07:29] <Dr_willis> Write your congressman! demand better internet! :P
[07:29] <SilentDis> Dr_willis: if you live in a city, of course, there's dsl.  lyndon station proper has NOTHING though.
[07:29] <Bossmanbeta> I'm surprised cable isn't out there... youg et cable-tv?
[07:30] <SilentDis> no cable tv for me.
[07:30] <SilentDis> big c-band satellite dish :D
[07:30] <Bossmanbeta> ah
[07:30] <Dr_willis> Theres some wireless isp's getting started up around here ive seen. :) but  they are a one man show. I think heh..
[07:30] <Dr_willis> They could go under at any time.
[07:30] <SilentDis> i seriously considered actually starting one.  i could get the zoning without issue, just that inital startup capital that's a problem ;)
[07:30] <Dr_willis> Us poor Americans with our  not up to the rest of the world's speed. in internet connection.
[07:31] <Daisuke_Ido> SilentDis: doesn't that allow you a pretty good range of "good channels"?  or "bad channels" depending on your viewpoint?
[07:31] <Bossmanbeta> Dr_willis, that is so true... every South korean bus driver has 100megabit to the net in their homes... it's a shame shame on us
[07:31] <SilentDis> Daisuke_Ido: what do you mean by channels?
[07:31] <Dr_willis> Bossmanbeta,  but we got running water!
[07:31] <Daisuke_Ido> satellite
[07:32] <Daisuke_Ido> tv, that is
[07:32] <Bossmanbeta> Dr_willis, I donno about you .. but with an itnernet connection, i can BUY water..............
[07:32] <Bossmanbeta> :-)
[07:32] <Dr_willis> Bossmanbeta,  and they need it - to keep their kids gold farming in WoW
[07:32] <Bossmanbeta> lol...
[07:32] <SilentDis> Daisuke_Ido: ohh.  iirc, last i figured it out, with my mpeg decoder on it, i have somewhere around 3000 channels right now available.  quite a bit still free and clear.
[07:32] <Bossmanbeta> I thought that was china... S korea too? figures..
[07:32] <Daisuke_Ido> SilentDis: i'm...  not talking about good reception *wink wink nudge nudge*
[07:33] <SilentDis> Daisuke_Ido: lmao.  no, most of the 'good stuff' is digital now.  tune to a sat, there's 24 analog channels, 3 of which are taken up by a digital mpeg stream, which has another 100 channels or so inside it.
[07:33] <Daisuke_Ido> Bossmanbeta: while i do feel the US is woefully behind in internet access, look at the logistics of wiring S. Korea vs. the USA, both in population and sheer size.
[07:34] <Daisuke_Ido> aww
[07:34] <stdin> erm, this is all very interesting and all, but entirely offtopic
[07:34] <SilentDis> the analog stuff is childs play to decode.  the mpeg streams are an entirely different story lol
[07:34] <Daisuke_Ido> it is, i'll stop talking now
[07:34] <Bossmanbeta> Daisuke_Ido, we won the cold war.... sent men to the moon, and a probe to mars............  wiring yucka-puck mississippi shouldn't be that hard
[07:35] <SilentDis> sometimes, i feel like i'm so far in the backwoods we have to pump in sunshine :P
[07:35] <Bossmanbeta> SilentDis, I'm in NYC ... All I see is the tops of buildings and the exhaust from taxi cabs........ so a little country is a good thing, believe me you
[07:36] <stdin> !ot | SilentDis, Bossmanbeta we have a whole channel devoted to offtopic, please use it instead
[07:36] <ubotu> SilentDis, Bossmanbeta we have a whole channel devoted to offtopic, please use it instead: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[07:36] <Daisuke_Ido> my last comment on the subject: i'm not saying it can't be done, but the cost to build the infrastructure to do it is going to raise monthly costs (more than it should, knowing those greedy $&*%#s), and people won't stand for THAT, so they teeter along with substandard connectivity
[07:36] <paco> hi men
[07:36] <SilentDis> Bossmanbeta: ok, here's the deal with your original problem.  the issue is the xclient is not modular, therefore proxies are the only way it is gonna happen now.  there's proposals out to modularize all of xwindows, but it ain't happening soon.
[07:36] <paco> i have a question for you
[07:36] <Daisuke_Ido> ah, a question!
[07:37] <Daisuke_Ido> fire at will
[07:37] <paco> how can I change my 64bits version of Kubunto for a 32bits version
[07:37] <Dr_willis> ick. :)
[07:37] <paco> without delete nothing
[07:37] <Bossmanbeta> SilentDis, how'd you come by that info, as far as the proposals and lack of manifestation?
[07:37] <Dr_willis> backup all the impiorntant stuff.. reformat, restore the imporntant data.
[07:37] <Daisuke_Ido> that's the only way
[07:38] <paco> there is no way to keep my Win Vista also
[07:38] <SilentDis> Bossmanbeta: i'm gleaning it bit by bit from various proposals up at http://www.x.org/
[07:38] <paco> beacuse i have vista and kunbuntu
[07:38] <Dr_willis> paco,  You just need tor eformat/reisntall linux
[07:38] <Daisuke_Ido> oh, sure, you can keep that, just install the 32 bit version in the same place your 64 is
[07:38] <Dr_willis> thats nothing to do with vista
[07:38] <paco> and i only want change de kubuntu archite3cture
[07:38] <SilentDis> side note to pacos question:  would going with a 64bit os install and then setting up a 32-bit userspace work?
[07:38] <Dr_willis> backup your impornatnat linux stuff..  reinstall the 32bit. restore imporntant data
[07:39] <Bossmanbeta> SilentDis, you'd think it would have manifested by now, with everyone using 'ssh -Y' over the years.... and the predominance of 'screen' ... someone would have realized that peanut butter + chocolate (screen+X) = bliss
[07:39] <Dr_willis> SilentDis,  there is the 32bit 'chroot' stuff.. but thats more for specific apps..
[07:39] <SilentDis> Dr_willis: got it, thanks.
[07:39] <paco> ok
[07:39] <paco> then if
[07:39] <SilentDis> paco: did you set /home as a seperate partition by chance?
[07:40] <paco> I dont think soy
[07:40] <paco> so
[07:40] <paco> then
[07:40] <SilentDis> paco: yeah, you're going the backup > reinstall > restore route then.
[07:40] <chalcedony> SilentDis: how can one tell if one has kde or gnome?
[07:40] <paco> if I save my linux data in a external har drive
[07:41] <paco> later can i Install kubunto 32bits whitoh crash Vista, dont?
[07:41] <SilentDis> chalcedony: do you have a kmenu in the lower left corner?  or a gnome toolbar along the top?
[07:41] <paco> I have scarey by de grub loader
[07:41] <paco> scared sorry
[07:41] <Bossmanbeta> SilentDis, for what is's worth, I posted this in: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/424/ ...my $0.02
[07:42] <SilentDis> paco: if you backup your data, then just flop in a 32-bit kubuntu cd, reformat and reinstall, you should be fine.  it'll reconfig grub without headache and vista should still be listed there.
[07:42] <chalcedony> SilentDis: ty that settles it :)
[07:42] <chalcedony> husband has kde
[07:42] <SilentDis> chalcedony: yep yep.  there's commands and such to 'verify' it, but when you can just look, why bother?  lol
[07:42] <chalcedony> hehe
[07:42] <paco> ok tanx
[07:42] <paco> I have never do this
[07:43] <chalcedony> SilentDis: do you know where to go to download Xchat (not xchat gnome) ?
[07:43] <paco> and I dint know if the grub loader could be affected by de change and lost all my windows vista data
[07:43] <SilentDis> chalcedony: i've never had luck with xchat.  i ended up setting up a jabber server on a POS box and just using that :P
[07:43] <paco> thanx
[07:43] <SilentDis> paco: before you go...
[07:43] <Bossmanbeta> paco, you can also try Pidgin
[07:44] <Bossmanbeta> paco, Pidgin has a nice IRC client built in
[07:44] <chalcedony> hmm
[07:44] <chalcedony> sounds interesting
[07:44] <SilentDis> paco: you might wanna consider splitting your linux partition into 2 partitions.  one for /, one for /home, so you don't have to do this again.  reinstall of the os and loose no userdata
[07:44] <chalcedony> Bossmanbeta: can you oper with it?
[07:44] <Bossmanbeta> chalcedony, I dont see why not ...
[07:44] <Bossmanbeta> It's a full blown irc client...
[07:45] <paco> ok, thaths a good idea
[07:45] <Bossmanbeta> just create an "account"
[07:45] <Bossmanbeta> which is really just the login specs for the login-script
[07:45] <chalcedony> people say that and then .. full except ti doesn't do /notice .. doesn't do dcc ..
[07:45] <paco> thank you
[07:45] <Bossmanbeta> I think it does /dcc
[07:45] <Bossmanbeta> give it a try
[07:45] <SilentDis> paco: if you do it... i'd personally recommend about 10gb for the os install.  esp. if you wanna play with both gnome and kde.  5gb is about the minimum i've found.
[07:45] <paco> bye
[07:46] <paco> yes
[07:46] <Bossmanbeta> but then again, I haven't been an oper in years...
[07:46] <chalcedony> Bossmanbeta: i'd have to upgrade ..  what i have goes with gaim
[07:46] <paco> I have reserved 10 gb of free space
[07:46] <Bossmanbeta>  exist sin gaim
[07:46] <Toyd> Bossmanbeta may i love you now
[07:46] <Bossmanbeta> exists*
[07:46] <Bossmanbeta> toyd? :)
[07:46] <SilentDis> paco: well, you could go 5gb for the os and 5gb for /home then at least
[07:46] <Bossmanbeta> I guess you didn't know gaim/pidgin included an irc client? :)
[07:46] <chalcedony> the one in gaim isn't as good
[07:46] <paco> yes could be
[07:47] <paco> thanx
[07:47] <paco> bye men
[07:47] <SilentDis> !bye | paco
[07:47] <ubotu> paco: Au revoir!
[07:47] <Bossmanbeta> chalcedony, well I dont use it, I use Xchat... but I have used pidgin often to get to the irc, though not with oper status
[07:47] <chalcedony> but that's just what i heard. i REALLY use XChat
[07:47] <Bossmanbeta> well I run Gnome.. so... sorry :)
[07:48] <chalcedony> Bossmanbeta: me too
[07:48] <Bossmanbeta> I came here to ask my ssh question, after my fingertips bled from googling-to-no-end
[07:48] <Dr_willis> im using xchat, under windows vista at the moment. :)
[07:48] <chalcedony> awww
[07:48] <chalcedony> Dr_willis: cool
[07:48] <Bossmanbeta> or if you want to go all bashful .... try irssi
[07:49] <chalcedony> it was kvirc that doesn't do notice i think
[07:49] <Bossmanbeta> (that was a pun) yay
[07:49] <chalcedony> heh
[07:49] <chalcedony> i didn't like the way i had to change channels in irssi /ircII
[07:49] <chalcedony> XChat is a nice step from mirc
[07:49] <chalcedony> and more flexible
[07:49] <SilentDis> Bossmanbeta: hmm... a crappy but possible workaround:  seperate x server running on remote box, vnc into that x server over and over again... big pain in the ass... is that what you were doing anyway?
[07:49] <Dr_willis> a root canal ie a nice step from mirc. :)
[07:50] <Bossmanbeta> i remember in the 90s... all we had was ircII and Pheonix scripts .... funfun
[07:50] <chalcedony> i had IRCII EPIC4
[07:50] <Dr_willis> I rember IRCing on a 'green bar' printing terminal. in the 90's
[07:50] <Dr_willis> or was it the late 80's
[07:50] <chalcedony> hehehe
[07:50] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:50] <Bossmanbeta> SilentDis, yes, but not over & over... I'd size the VNC window to the single-app ... if I needed to run a 2nd.. I'd widen the VNC window (wincing and making faces all-the-way)
[07:50] <chalcedony> i had ircII on that
[07:50] <storbeck> I remember IRCing on the abacus ^_^
[07:50] <Daisuke_Ido> bah.  telnet in and use RAW commands.
[07:50] <Daisuke_Ido> we have a winner
[07:51] <chalcedony> hehehe
[07:51] <chalcedony> BBSs  :)
[07:51] <SilentDis> Bossmanbeta: understandable.  i see what you're aiming for, but i just don't see it as happening as of right now.
[07:51] <Bossmanbeta> ...compuserve on an atari 800xl 300baud modem..... <bows>
[07:51] <Daisuke_Ido> the first annual "Hey you kids, get off my lawn!" award goes to...  storbeck!
[07:51] <storbeck> Haha
[07:51] <chalcedony> Bossmanbeta: you win :)
[07:51] <SilentDis> I had a CoCo with an acoustic coupler, that was fun :)
 I'm here all week....
[07:51] <SilentDis> felt very Wargames :D
[07:52] <chalcedony> my husband worked on computers that used paper tape, punch cards
[07:52]  * Dr_willis hits play+record and erases SilentDis 's irc client
[07:52] <chalcedony> we had a 300 baud accoustic coupler until we moved a couple years ago
[07:52] <SilentDis> NOOOOOOO!
[07:52] <Bossmanbeta> wow
[07:52] <Y-Town> anyone know the name of the kde package that has traceroute, ping etc?
[07:52] <Daisuke_Ido> i still maintain that the greatest piece of software ever created for MS-DOS was Telix 3.22
[07:52] <Bossmanbeta> punch tape... I wasn't born then... timesharing mainframes for the win...
[07:52] <chalcedony> Y-Town: can you run mtr ?
[07:53] <Dr_willis> I recall seeing an 'analog' computer. :) in a college once.
[07:53] <chalcedony> Bossmanbeta: my husband did that in basic
[07:53] <Y-Town> chalcedony: mtr?
[07:53] <Bossmanbeta> GWbasic .. yay ... 10 print hello   20 goto 10
[07:53] <chalcedony> Y-Town: let me find it for you
[07:53] <SilentDis> Dr_willis: *sigh* sad part was, that happened to me.  i think it was Xanax or something similar, wouldn't work one day, realized it had no label on it.  feared the worst, popped it into a tape deck and was greeted by barry mantalow recorded by my father.  i wanted to cry.
[07:54] <chalcedony> MTRCombines traceroute and ping into a single network diagnostic tool.
[07:54] <chalcedony> www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/ - 5k - Cached - Similar pages
[07:54] <chalcedony> mtr (My traceroute) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediamtr or My traceroute is a computer program which combines the functionality of the traceroute and ping programs in a single network diagnostic tool. ...
[07:54] <chalcedony> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mtr_(My_traceroute)
[07:54] <Daisuke_Ido> we all had that happen...  for me, it was the game Bedlam
[07:55] <SilentDis> then there was the incident with my gameboy sliding underneath the electric frying pan...  after dad put it down while playing tetris and wanted some food... *sigh*
[07:55] <Y-Town> chalcedony: thanks....   I was looking for the one KDE has, I found the one for gnome
[07:55] <chalcedony> ah
[07:55] <Daisuke_Ido> there are two things that the CoCo had that no one has been able to duplicate or surpass
[07:55] <chalcedony> i like mtr lite
[07:55] <chalcedony> run in terminal
[07:55] <chalcedony> you can paste it and everything
[07:56] <Y-Town> :o)
[07:56] <Daisuke_Ido> shamus...  and doubleback.
[07:56] <Y-Town> I am trying to put everything together still... just built the system...
[07:56] <SilentDis> Daisuke_Ido: i just remember having a 15-color monitor and all my friends being jealous because they only had 8-color ones.  after that, it's all a blur.
[07:56] <Bossmanbeta> CGA for the win
[07:57] <Bossmanbeta> ...or EGA for those who drove cadillacs
[07:57] <chalcedony> SilentDis: i remember fighting over the good monitor
[07:57] <Daisuke_Ido> Bossmanbeta: neither.
[07:57] <Daisuke_Ido> Tandy Graphics Adapter
[07:57] <Bossmanbeta> eek
[07:58]  * SilentDis gets out and pushes the EVDO bits flying through the air
[07:58] <Daisuke_Ido> the 1000TX was my first IBM-compatible
[07:58] <Bossmanbeta> Well I was an Amiga 500 and 1000 nut for a while... that was fun... lightyears ahead of its time
[07:58] <SilentDis> i started late in the IBM compatible stuff.  my first was a 486SX25 with 4mb ram.
[07:59] <Bossmanbeta> heh I remenber the SX/25's .... you could overclock them
[07:59] <SilentDis> lol
[07:59] <chalcedony> 486 was the cream de la creme
[07:59] <romunov_> i install kubuntu, but now it won't load it
[07:59] <Bossmanbeta> remember DR dos??
[07:59] <romunov_> when i boot up the pc, it says it can't detect drives
[07:59] <chalcedony> yup
[07:59] <Bossmanbeta> I insisted on running that... I hated MS even then
[07:59] <SilentDis> ohhh yes.  way better than the MSDos that came on the system ;)
[07:59] <chalcedony> right on
[07:59] <romunov_> but when i go into install, it shows (formatted) partitions and everything
[08:00] <Bossmanbeta> yea but MS kept F'ing with the command.com and Digital Research had to keep patching to keep it compatible with 3.11
[08:00] <chalcedony> romunov_: i feel for you
[08:01] <SilentDis> here i sit now, with a 2.2ghz beamoth running, a P1 300mhz doing Xubuntu 7.10 with pidgin (and nothing else) and an OpenBSD box doing my server work in the closet.  it hasn't seen daylight in months.  lol
[08:01] <Bossmanbeta> There should be a #8bit-nostalgia channel.
[08:01] <Bossmanbeta> I'd live in there
[08:01] <SilentDis> make one!  lol
[08:02] <Bossmanbeta> yea and sit by myself with my whislting tape player and texas instuments TI/99-4A
[08:02] <klobster> romunov_: where is it that you get the undected drive error?
[08:02] <klobster> *undectected
[08:02] <SilentDis> just curious... anyone seen the new apple piece of paper thats actually a laptop?
[08:03] <Bossmanbeta> i read many reviews.
[08:03] <Bossmanbeta> all bad
[08:03] <klobster> crap *undetected
[08:03] <Bossmanbeta> battery life is terrible
[08:03] <SilentDis> i saw one at best buy the other day... i was impressed, but i can't see using it.
[08:03] <Bossmanbeta> and I recall reading that the battery is NOT removable 'ala iPod
[08:03] <SilentDis> that was one of my fears.  the other was breaking it if i opened it funny
[08:03] <crackhead_25> hey guys, i'm upgrading feisty to gutsy here, with the adept manager, and it just hanged at preparing to configure libgl1-... what should i do???
[08:04] <Bossmanbeta> SilentDis, I respectfully recommend the EEE PC.... (I bought one for the wife)... or wait 6 months for the next line of EEE PC's to come soon.
[08:04] <Daisuke_Ido> Dr_willis: i feel bad for the guy i've been helping - not only is it a conexant modem, it's a broadcom wireless :\
[08:04] <SilentDis> Bossmanbeta: was thinking of jogging down to the evil empire and grabbing the acer they have on sale for $500.  ditching vista and throwing kubuntu at it.
[08:05] <Bossmanbeta> crackhead_25, I've failed once during a feisty-to-gutsy upgrade... I killed the upgrade process and reran it ... nothing bad should happen -- but that was my experience
[08:05] <klobster> $500? hit up slickdeals.net, I have seen better
[08:05] <crackhead_25> Bossmanbeta: but wont it just fail again at the same spot?
[08:05] <Bossmanbeta> SilentDis, the EEE PC runs a linux variant... I forget the distro name
[08:06] <Lynoure> Bossmanbeta: Xandros, I think
[08:06] <Bossmanbeta> yea Lynoure that's it
[08:06] <SilentDis> Bossmanbeta: debian based or something else.  i find i really like how debian does things is all :)
[08:06] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello everyone!
[08:06] <Bossmanbeta> my wife uses it as an organizer.... palm-pilot+2
[08:06] <Bossmanbeta> crackhead_25, it shouldn't hurt to retry it
[08:06] <klobster> SilentDis: join #debian
[08:07] <chalcedony> SilentDis: debian is under ubuntu /kubuntu .. a lot of files are .deb
[08:07] <SilentDis> klobster: kubuntu is debian based, and a lot prettier.  i'll stick with kubuntu :)
[08:07] <chalcedony> and you an apt-get
[08:07]  * SilentDis is an aptitude monkey ;)
[08:07] <MilhousePunkRock> I am trying to migrate from static IP (manual configured, wireless with wpa_supplicant) to DHCP. Both knetworkmanager and wicd fail to get an IP, sudo dhclient3 gets one though...
[08:07] <chalcedony> that too :)
[08:08] <Bossmanbeta> Personally I dont think the distro you like or run should dictate which channel you sit in..... all the debian variants are equally benefited by the technical expertise of their user base
[08:08] <crackhead_25> Bossmanbeta: how do i resume the upgrade???
[08:08] <Bossmanbeta> crackhead_25, just restart it
[08:08] <crackhead_25> restart what??
[08:08] <Bossmanbeta> crackhead_25, and see if it hangs at the same spot
[08:08] <SilentDis> Bossmanbeta: as it should hopefully be :)
[08:08] <chalcedony> Bossmanbeta: it's finding good people that matters
[08:08] <Lynoure> However, most of you might fit well in #kubuntu-offtopic =)
[08:08] <Bossmanbeta> chalcedony, I agree 101%
[08:08] <crackhead_25> Bossmanbeta: restart what? directions?
[08:08] <SilentDis> this is the box: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=8221530
[08:08] <Bossmanbeta> crackhead_25, how's you kick off the upgrade?
[08:08] <crackhead_25> i opened adept maanger again, but there's no option to do so
[08:08] <Bossmanbeta> how'd*
[08:09] <Bossmanbeta> Lynoure, I was never one to color my coloring books in the lines :)
[08:09] <SilentDis> crackhead_25: check this out...
[08:09] <Bossmanbeta> but human beings need some latitude imho
[08:09] <SilentDis> !upgrade | crackhead_25
[08:09] <ubotu> crackhead_25: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[08:09] <crackhead_25> how do i resume the upgrade??
[08:09] <klobster> SilentDis: you asked how to learn about debian.  Oh.  Now that I read closer you were making a statement.  NM
[08:10] <Bossmanbeta> crackhead_25, it will just restart.... no biggie
[08:10] <SilentDis> klobster: yeah hehe, sorry i was vagueish there.  i will try again.  i like the thing with the stuff!   I used to move the thing by the object, so i could get to the doodads and add it to my stuff.  it was great!
[08:12] <crackhead_25> SilentDis: how do i resume my upgrade? i was advised to cancel it. now i dont/cant seem to get it to resume..?
[08:12] <SilentDis> klobster: NOWAI!!!!!11!!!one!!1!elevendy!11!!
[08:14] <SilentDis> crackhead_25: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kubuntu-upgrade/ :)
[08:14] <crackhead_25> SilentDis: that doesnt help. ???
[08:14] <SilentDis> crackhead_25: it gives you a step-by-step upgrade via pictures.  easy to follow :)
[08:15] <crackhead_25> i went through all that. there was a problem. it hung at configuring a libgl1.. then i was advised to cancel it. so i did. it canceled and advised me to 'resume' it. i start adept mgr again. there are no buttons highlighted. i dont know how to resume it.
[08:15] <Bossmanbeta> crackhead_25, 'update-manager -c' doesn't work for you?
[08:15] <SilentDis> crackhead_25: oh!  sorry, i missed that.  what Bossmanbeta said :)
[08:15] <Bossmanbeta> well i was relating my experience in my 1 failed feisty-to-Gutsy upgrade..
[08:16] <Bossmanbeta> rerunning update-manager -c from CLI worked for me
[08:16] <crackhead_25> i'm running kubuntu, not ubuntu
[08:16] <Lynoure> crackhead_25: figures, being here :)
[08:16] <Bossmanbeta> I didn't think 'update-manager -c' is specific to Gnome
[08:17] <SilentDis> crackhead_25: same thing.  alt-f2 > 'update-manager -c' (sans quotes) > options > run as different user > root (your password) > run :)
[08:17] <stdin> update-manager is the gnome update manager...
[08:17] <SilentDis> doh, that's what i get for having both on my box. :(
[08:18]  * Bossmanbeta is obviously wrong.... <apologies>
[08:18] <SilentDis> sorry about that crackhead_25.
[08:18] <crackhead_25> wtf.. it says it's in anunusuable state???
[08:19] <crackhead_25> please, i need one or both of you two to be right, or my computer is totally effed..
[08:19] <Bossmanbeta> well it sounded like you were locked-up at the upgrade process prior to cancelling anyway
[08:19] <SilentDis> there's no "version upgrade" in adept manager now for you?
[08:19] <crackhead_25> yes, it was. soi cancelled. so what now? im afraid ill reboot, and it wont even boot because it's failed partially through.
[08:20] <crackhead_25> i open adept mgr, and none of the buttons get highlighted as active/possible.
[08:20] <Bossmanbeta> you running adept mgr from cmd line?
[08:20] <SilentDis> sounds like it's locked and another app is using it.  what's that magic command again?
[08:20] <stdin> how far did the upgrade go?
[08:20] <klobster> stdin!!
[08:21] <crackhead_25> upgrade had dl'd and was preparing to install everyting.. it hanged on configuring libgl1..
[08:21] <crackhead_25> am i supposed to pid kill it, and then restart it?
[08:21] <SilentDis> !aptfix | crackhead_25
[08:21] <ubotu> crackhead_25: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[08:21] <stdin> you should just be able to do "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade" then
[08:22] <azzco> Will there be any more tutorial days on kubuntu-devel?
[08:22] <SilentDis> crackhead_25: that'll unlock you, and you can try again.
[08:22] <stdin> azzco: we're planning to do more
[08:23] <Bossmanbeta> the lock file may be in place if apt crashed badly ... /var/cache/apt/
[08:23] <azzco> stdin: Will I need much basic knowledge to be able to follow the discussion?
[08:23] <crackhead_25> so then re-run adept maanger and try upgrade?
[08:23] <stdin> azzco: depends on the particular session, but generally no
[08:23] <SilentDis> crackhead_25: yeah, after that command, just open up adept manager again, and there should be the 'version upgrade' button back.
[08:24] <azzco> thanks stdin
[08:24] <SilentDis> 20 min, and a reboot, and i get to play wow.  FINALLY.
[08:24] <crackhead_25> there's a "full upgrade" button
[08:24] <crackhead_25> that what?
[08:25] <crackhead_25> there's also version upgrade, but version upgradew asn't there
[08:25] <SilentDis> crackhead_25: choose to update your repos really quick, and it should highlight
[08:25] <crackhead_25> fetch updates?
[08:25] <SilentDis> crackhead_25: yep
[08:26] <crackhead_25> is it going to see i already dl'd everything?
[08:26] <Bossmanbeta> it did when I failed
[08:26] <SilentDis> crackhead_25: it should see the .debs in there, yes.
[08:26] <Bossmanbeta> and resumed where it failed in the DL
[08:26] <klobster> crackhead_25: was there really 24 other people who chose to link their persona to crack?
[08:27] <crackhead_25> no, i just picked 25.. i dont know..
[08:27] <SilentDis> another random statistic, and proud of it!
[08:28] <Bossmanbeta> crackhead_25, (K)Ubuntu is pretty resilient, no worries...
[08:28] <crackhead_25> Bossmanbeta: im hoping.. i really need it to work
[08:28] <crackhead_25> it's going.. we'll see
[08:29]  * Bossmanbeta blesses crackhead_25 Inamina Padre Linus PengooInus bashus amen.
[08:29] <klobster> Bossmanbeta: even for crackheads!!
[08:29] <SilentDis> *ZOT*
[08:30] <crackhead_25> thanks man..
[08:30] <Bossmanbeta> what is "zot"
[08:31] <SilentDis> you... never... got... into... the internet oracle?
[08:31] <Bossmanbeta> is that where Neo enters the great penguin and jumps into the rabbit hole?
[08:31] <SilentDis> Bossmanbeta: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Oracle
[08:33] <klobster> Bossmanbeta: enters the great rabbit hole?  What kind of porn are you watching?
[08:33] <Bossmanbeta> klobster, its a reference to Alice in Wonderland & the matrix
[08:33] <SilentDis> the $2.99/minute sweedish variety, apparently.
[08:33] <stdin> !ot
[08:33] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[08:33] <SilentDis> sorry, sorry *goes and sits in the corner*
[08:33] <Bossmanbeta> SilentDis, I've never heard of this ... I'll be sure to read this.
[08:37] <klobster> Bossmanbeta: Ahh, a hybrid quote.  BTW: Wonderland in Alice was a GREAT porn..
[08:37] <klobster> I know, TNI
[08:37] <klobster> *TMI
[08:38] <toxop1asma> question: how to diff words instead of lines?
[08:39] <nuxil> what you mean ?
[08:39] <nuxil> sort -u ?
[08:39] <Bossmanbeta> toxop1asma, do u mean grep?
[08:40] <nuxil> egrep "(word1|word2|word3)" /file
[08:40] <toxop1asma> if i have two different files that are identical except for some words, how to see which words?
[08:40] <nuxil> man diff
[08:44] <nuxil> toxop1asma, diff file1 file2
[08:46] <toxop1asma> nuxil: i read the man, and it doesn't help. the thing is, the file is one huge line
[08:46] <Dr_willis> Ick.
[08:46] <Dr_willis> what kind of file is that? :)
[08:46] <toxop1asma> the kind you create if you're retarded :[ actually, i'm probably solving the wrong problem here
[08:46] <nuxil> tomsku, ahh. does it got witespaces in it?
[08:46] <nuxil> *toxop1asma,
[08:46] <toxop1asma> yeah
[08:47] <nuxil> cat file1 | tr " " "\n" | sort -u -o newfile1
[08:47] <nuxil> cat file2 | tr " " "\n" | sort -u -o newfile2
[08:47] <nuxil> diff newfile1 newfile2
[08:48] <nuxil> maybe that..
[08:48] <crackhead_25> anyone know why i can't see my programs, when i try to click "applications" on the k bar???
[08:48] <crackhead_25> nothing pops up when i click the applications on the menu bar
[08:48] <crackhead_25> places and system work fine..
[08:49] <Bossmanbeta> crackhead_25, try restarting X (ctrl-alt-backspace)
[08:49] <toxop1asma> nuxil: thanks, but i just realized that won't hlelp me anyway. here is another question, though. i have an huge directory, and i need to delete every jpg in it. echo *.jpg | rm doesn't work because rm says "too many arguments"
[08:49] <nuxil> toxop1asma, cd to that dir
[08:49] <nuxil> rm -rf *.jpg
[08:50] <Dr_willis> you may need to use xargs if theres a LOT of them
[08:50] <toxop1asma> bash: /bin/rm: Argument list too long
[08:50] <toxop1asma> what's xargs?
[08:50] <Dr_willis> time to learn about it. :)
[08:50] <Dr_willis> man xargs
[08:50] <pat5star> toxop1asma: use a while loop
[08:51] <toxop1asma> that sounds easier than learning :D
[08:51] <klobster> while loop: Please see #bash
[08:51] <Dr_willis> find ./  -name whatever  -type f -print | xargs /bin/rm -f
[08:51] <Dr_willis> or similer. :)
[08:51] <Dr_willis> or do a rm a*.jpg
[08:51] <Dr_willis> and so on. :)
[08:52] <Dr_willis> rm b*.jpg
[08:52] <Dr_willis> heh heh
[08:53] <Dr_willis> or use mc, select all, then delete.
[08:53] <Bossmanbeta> You could also script it
[08:53] <nuxil> or just delete the hole dir :p
[08:53] <toxop1asma> mc?
[08:54] <Bossmanbeta> for x in *.jpg ; do rm $x; done
[08:54] <nuxil> midnight commander
[08:54] <Bossmanbeta> put that in a file, then chmod +x it
[08:54] <toxop1asma> what i did was this (this is just for your amusement): wget'd a huge bunch of stuff in my home directory, by accident, while saving some important stuff there at the same time
[08:55] <Bossmanbeta> toxop1asma, I'd recommend you open a text file and put that line in there....
[08:55] <Bossmanbeta> then save it, chmod +x filename
[08:55] <Bossmanbeta> make sure the file is in that jpg directory
[08:55] <Bossmanbeta> then execute it ./filename
[08:56] <nuxil> he can run that from a concole
[08:56] <Dr_willis> alias removealljpg='for x in *.jpg ; do rm $x; done'
[08:56] <Dr_willis> :)
[08:56] <Bossmanbeta> more power to him then :)
[08:56] <Bossmanbeta> for a 1 time cmd I usually dont make aliases :)
[08:56] <nuxil> he dosent need a script file
[08:56] <Dr_willis> but wouldent *.jpg be expaneded too long?
[08:56] <toxop1asma> it's going
[08:57] <toxop1asma> it'll probably take a while, huh
[08:57] <Bossmanbeta> well that cmd will do it 1 file at a time
[08:57] <Bossmanbeta> to avouid the args problem
[08:57] <Bossmanbeta> avoid*
[08:57] <Bossmanbeta> yea go get a sandwich or something :)
[08:58] <Bossmanbeta> and get me a soda, would ya? :-)
[08:58] <toxop1asma> sure
[08:58] <storbeck> It's not delivery
[08:58] <Bossmanbeta> I am 13 hrs into a yum update on a box that had an uptime of 984 days.............
[08:58] <Dr_willis> its Degornieos?
[08:58] <Dr_willis> :)
[08:59] <nuxil> bash is fun :)
[08:59] <storbeck> I think it's spelled Digiorno, but yes :)
[08:59] <Bossmanbeta> updating: package name #######   [93/5067]
[08:59] <Bossmanbeta> lol
[08:59] <nuxil> o.0
[08:59] <storbeck> What did you do, install *?
[09:00] <Bossmanbeta> nah just a yum update on it
[09:00] <toxop1asma> well, it's working, i think, so thanks! i'll stop being stupid from now on, and read a book
[09:00] <Bossmanbeta> but the box had an uptime of 984 days without 1 udpate
[09:00] <storbeck> Heh
[09:00] <Bossmanbeta> toxop1asma, never confuse ignorance with stupidity, and the effort to remedy the former is honorable
[09:01] <storbeck> I feel like a little kid watching this show XD (Full Metal Alchemist)
[09:01] <Bossmanbeta> What does a server farm raise??
[09:02] <Bossmanbeta> Answer: Temperature.
[09:02] <Bossmanbeta> (that's when you guys say "wow.. funny, witty joke...")
[09:03] <nuxil> heh
[09:03] <toxop1asma> Bossmanbeta: stupidity is because i've known for a while that i should learn this. so i'll be killing both with one stone, it seems
[09:03] <Bossmanbeta> toxop1asma, that cmd I gave u is very versatile for doing something to many files at once
[09:03] <Bossmanbeta> take out the "rm" part and put in any other command
[09:04] <Dr_willis> i recall making a 'foreach' script once that sort of did that. :)
[09:04] <Bossmanbeta> toxop1asma, we're all still learning... Why do you think I'm still Bossmanbeta... if I were done learning, I'd just be "bossman"
[09:05] <Bossmanbeta> Dr_willis, I'm no scripting master :)
[09:05] <nuxil> Bossmanbeta, no BossmanStable
[09:05] <nuxil> :p
[09:05] <Bossmanbeta> lol nuxil
[09:05] <Bossmanbeta> better than BossmanSid I guess :D
[09:06] <Dr_willis> Time to Start Bossmanbeta !
[09:06] <Dr_willis> :)
[09:06] <Dr_willis> Now get to work!
[09:06] <Bossmanbeta> rofl
[09:06] <chalcedony> Boohbah: are you good with regex for grep?
[09:06] <Bossmanbeta> much more personality in here than in #ubuntu (for the record)
[09:06] <Bossmanbeta> shame I'm a Gnomer... My KDE exposure is pretty lame
[09:07] <chalcedony> Bossmanbeta: lol not that other b
[09:07] <Bossmanbeta> :)
[09:07] <chalcedony> i need to grep an irc log for  P^
[09:07] <chalcedony> a nick
[09:08] <toxop1asma> has gnome changed much in the last couple of years? i tried ubuntu then, and didn't like the ui
[09:08] <jussi01> !ot
[09:08] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[09:08] <chalcedony> jussi01: hugs dear
[09:09] <Bossmanbeta> toxop1asma, I guess I'll have to answer that in a PM
[09:11] <toxop1asma> Bossmanbeta: it won't let me send you a pm. #kubuntu-offtopic
[09:12] <nuxil> in the old days you could run gnome and enlightment as one desktop manager. i was a heaven for desktop freaks
[09:12] <nuxil> *i *it
[09:15] <nuxil> system-settings -> user-management is in some sort of japanees language.. strange
[09:15] <storbeck> toxop1asma: Try registering your nick.
[09:23] <Lynoure> toxop1asma: gnome is easy enough to try. only takes a download and a bit of your time.  If you don't like it, easy enough to switch back :)
[09:25] <nuxil> bleh.. gnome isnt worth trying :p
[09:37] <harmental> hey guys....are the "unsupported packages" worth the try?
[09:40]  * lysli is away: Parti pour l'instant.
[09:40] <pat5star> harmental: yes, just don't expect any support if you have any problems :)
[09:41] <stdin> !away > lysli
[09:41] <lysli> lol
[09:42] <harmental> pat5star: thats what unsupported is all about....
[09:42] <harmental> :oP
[09:43] <harmental> i guess...what im trying to understand is the difference between, for instance, the "supported" ktorrent and the unsupported one...
[09:45] <stdin> harmental: mostly the type of support, unsupported packages get community support only and supported ones can get commercial support
[09:46] <lysli> Vous avez quitté le canal #kubuntu (requested by stdin: "please read the guidelines before "lol"ing our rules, kthxbye").  ??
[09:46] <stdin> !fr | lysli
[09:46] <ubotu> lysli: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[09:47] <lysli> je sais pas mais a chaque fois que je me connecte y a toujours  cette fenetre
[09:47] <Dr_willis> i gotta wonder what comercial support is for ktorrent. :)
[09:47] <harmental> stdin: ok...i gues ill give them a try then.....i dont use commercial anyways :o)
[09:48] <Dr_willis> comercial = paid irc people who have to be nice to you? :)
[09:48] <harmental> Dr_willis: thats what my question was all about....
[09:48] <harmental> i was afraid that "unsupported" had some hidden meaning....
[09:49] <harmental> besides being "not supported" packages...
[09:49] <Dr_willis> unsupported = 'not officially supported by the comercial  support system'
[09:49] <Dr_willis> I guess.
[09:51] <abortd> what is  the smallest ubuntu installation?
[09:51] <Dr_willis> Depends on your needs. :)
[09:51] <Dr_willis> the JEOS variant is very small.. but its not designed for 'normal' users.
[09:51] <abortd> enough for web browsing lets say
[09:52] <Dr_willis> You may want to look into xubuntu,
[09:52] <Dr_willis> not sure how much smaller it is.. but its for lower-end machines
[09:52] <stdin> install the server edition then xorg, that's quite basic ;)
[09:52] <abortd> what iis the mb used for xubuntu
[09:53] <stdin> try asking in #xubuntu
[10:01] <lysli> \#ubuntu-fr
[10:12] <lordrayden> hi, last night I was playing music with Amarok, now I have no sound at all :(
[10:12] <lordrayden> eduard@MSI:~$ aplay -l**** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****card 0: rev50 [VIA 82C686A/B rev50], device 0: VIA 82C686A/B rev50 [VIA 82C686A/B rev50]  Subdevices: 0/1  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[10:13] <lordrayden> what do I reinstall/
[10:13] <lordrayden> pls
[10:13] <lordrayden> kubuntu gutsy
[10:14] <lordrayden> anyone? in debian I had ALSA, in Kubuntu I don't know yet :)
[10:15] <lordrayden> alsaconf don't work
[10:15] <harmental> hey guys...how can i compress a file using a password?
[10:16] <nuxil> lordrayden, do you get sound running this command
[10:16] <nuxil> play /usr/share/apps/amarok/data/Amarok_1.4_Welcome.ogg
[10:17] <lordrayden> wait a bit
[10:19] <lordrayden> shitty sound, but it is, though in system settings, test sound server - there is no sound
[10:19] <lordrayden> what do i do?
[10:19] <nuxil> system settings --> sound settings
[10:19] <lordrayden> I wouldn't like to reinstall the whole kubuntu :D
[10:19] <nuxil> hardware
[10:20] <lordrayden> k?
[10:20] <nuxil> detect automaticly ?
[10:20] <lordrayden> yes
[10:20] <nuxil> ok
[10:21] <lordrayden> standard default settings, didn't make a change, koz it was working :)
[10:21] <nuxil> go in amarok settings and see which sound engine its using
[10:21] <lordrayden> xine engine
[10:21] <pat5star> harmental: do you mean password protect a compressed file? If so, zip -e file.txt
[10:21] <nuxil> ok..
[10:22] <lordrayden> alsaconf isnt working in kubuntu?
[10:22] <nuxil> lordrayden, check kmix see if its muted or vol all down
[10:22] <lordrayden> I used it successfully bfore in debian etch
[10:23] <lordrayden> did it, it's working fine
[10:23] <storbeck> alsaconf? Perhaps you mean alsamixer?
[10:23] <lordrayden> look, Ill try the live cd, it just came 2 me
[10:23] <nuxil> no kmix
[10:23] <lordrayden> alsa configuration tool :)
[10:24] <lordrayden> nuxil, I put my kubuntu live and talk 2 U in 10 min, k?
[10:24] <nuxil> check in kmix if the outputs have a green light
[10:24] <lordrayden> they all have green lights
[10:24] <mrx_> hi!
[10:24] <nuxil> and all turned up ?
[10:24] <lordrayden> maybe it's a hardware error
[10:25] <lordrayden> let me check
[10:25] <lordrayden> c u in 10
[10:25] <mrx_> i got 3 parititions, but I can not use 2 of them. hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 1000 it says
[10:25] <mrx_> what is wrong?
[10:26] <mrx_> i am only user on this computer
[10:26] <harmental> pat5star: thats right...thx....
[10:26] <Dorwin6> format the particual
[10:26] <Dorwin6> partition
[10:26] <nuxil> heh
[10:27] <mrx_> how do i do that?
[10:27] <nuxil> ext or ntfs ?
[10:27] <mrx_> ext3
[10:27] <Dorwin6> u would have to use ext3
[10:27] <pat5star> harmental: yw
[10:27] <nuxil> edit your fstab
[10:27] <mrx_> why can i not use those partitions?
[10:28] <nuxil> you can if you sudo
[10:28] <mrx_> i am new to linux. is there some program i can install through package manager to format harddrives or anything?
[10:28] <mrx_> so how do i do sudo then?
[10:28] <nuxil> but you should edit fstab
[10:28] <mrx_> i don't know what fstab is
[10:29] <nuxil> sudo mount /dev/disk1/ /path ; kdesu konqueror then go to path
[10:29] <Dr_willis> a filesystem has to be mounted - in order for the system to access it.
[10:29] <Dr_willis> thats not the same as 'formating' them. :)
[10:29] <Dorwin6> nuxil : I hace some question to ask u regarding kubunty
[10:29] <Dr_willis> fdisk, then format, then mount.
[10:30] <storbeck> lol @ kubunty
[10:30] <Dorwin6> dude, its 10 in the morning on saturday, im lying down typing
[10:30] <Dorwin6> ;p
[10:30] <nuxil> he never said anything about formating the disks
 i am new to linux. is there some program i can install through package manager to format harddrives or anything?
[10:30] <dan__> storbeck: thats the next release
[10:30] <nuxil> im blind :p
[10:31] <Dr_willis> :P
[10:31] <storbeck> Haha, is it now?
[10:31] <nuxil> Dorwin6, then you are asking the wrong guy
[10:31] <mrx_> it says  /dev/sda2 is already mounted on
[10:32] <Dorwin6> can anyone advice me in regards of dual buat
[10:32] <azzco> Dorwin6: Dual boot, linux/win, linux/linux?
[10:32] <mrx_> mrx@ubuntu:~$ fdisk /dev/sda2
[10:32] <mrx_> Unable to open /dev/sda2
[10:32] <Dorwin6> linux/win
[10:33] <nuxil> fdisk -l /dev/sda
[10:33] <azzco> Dorwin6: is win allready installed?
[10:33] <Dorwin6> azzco : can i pm u, i have rough idea what to do
[10:33] <Dorwin6> yes currently using
[10:33] <mrx_> mrx@ubuntu:~$ fdisk -i /dev/sda2
[10:33] <mrx_> fdisk: invalid option -- i
[10:33] <azzco> Dorwin6: On ubuntuforums?
[10:33] <Dr_willis> you do NOT normally fdisk /dev/sda#  - its just sda
[10:33] <dan__> Dorwin6: why domt you consider virtualbox or vmware instead of dual boot?
[10:33] <nuxil> -l not -i
[10:33] <mrx_> mrx@ubuntu:~$ fdisk -l /dev/sda2
[10:33] <mrx_> Cannot open /dev/sda2
[10:34] <Dr_willis> sudo fdisk -l (as in LIST) for listing partitions
[10:34] <azzco> Dorwin6: You might be intrested in this link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot
[10:34] <Dr_willis> sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda
[10:34] <nuxil> sda not sda2
[10:34] <Dr_willis> NOT sda2 :)
[10:34] <Dr_willis> and you must use sudo
[10:34] <Dorwin6> dan__ : i would but i dont know how to do that, i saw a classmate of mine using virtualbox
[10:34] <mrx_> mrx@ubuntu:~$ sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda2
[10:34] <mrx_> Disk /dev/sda2: 9697 MB,<PHONE_NUMBER> bytes
[10:34] <mrx_> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 1179 cylinders
[10:34] <mrx_> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[10:34] <mrx_> Disk identifier: 0x00000000
[10:34] <mrx_> Disk /dev/sda2 doesn't contain a valid partition table
[10:35] <nuxil> spam.. and we said SDA not SDA2 twise now
[10:35] <dan__> Dorwin6: find virtual box in adept  :o)
[10:35] <azzco> VirtualBox is in adept? o.O
[10:36] <dan__> virtualbox-ose
[10:36] <Dorwin6> dan__ : does that means that you can load kubuntu, then always wins in another windows?
[10:36] <dan__> Dorwin6: yes
[10:36] <mrx_> sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda    just showed some statistics?? still can not usa sda2
[10:36] <nuxil> mrx_, sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda | tac | sed -n "1p"
[10:36] <nuxil> ok
[10:37] <Dorwin6> dan__ : can you guide me through how to do it ?
[10:37] <mrx_>   /dev/sda5            2433        2491      473886   82  Linux swap / Solaris
[10:38] <nuxil> mrx_, my fault. sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda and see what type sda2 is
[10:38] <dan__> Dorwin6: goto virtualbox.org and read up.  download the file I showed you.... I did it for the first time the other day and went well, and i'm a rookie as well   :o)
[10:39] <nuxil> my first command only works for a disk with 1 partition
[10:39] <mrx_>    /dev/sda2   *        1254        2432     9470317+  83  Linux
[10:39] <Dorwin6> thanks azzco for the link
[10:40] <Dorwin6> dan : I will download it and pm u again
[10:40] <Dorwin6> dan : many thanks
[10:40] <dan__> :o)
[10:40] <nuxil> mrx_, df | grep sda2
[10:41] <mrx_>   /dev/sda2              9321616   4586424   4261680  52% /
[10:42] <nuxil> lol
[10:42] <lordrayden> hi again, what do I reinstall in kubuntu to get my sound back? I did nothing but required updates, tried sound system test from kcontrol, have no sound, but on my kubuntu live cd it works fine...
[10:43] <lordrayden> the sound i mean :)
[10:43] <jussi01> lordrayden: which sound card?
[10:43] <mrx_> if i boot from cd i can select to format those partitions?
[10:44] <lordrayden> the same that works on live cd via 5.0
[10:44] <nuxil> mrx_, you said you had 2 partiton you could not use. now which one is it? its not sda2 since its your root partition,, and sda5 is you swap.
[10:44] <nuxil> how many partition is it on sda ?
[10:44] <nuxil> or do you have other disk in your pc?
[10:44] <jussi01> lordrayden: there is a problem with some sound cards in gutsy. please tell us the sound card.
[10:45] <lordrayden> where is the sond config tool/ smth like dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but for sound?
[10:45] <lordrayden> Via onboard sound card
[10:45] <andyp> is there a gui that coes with truecrypt?
[10:45] <andyp> comes
[10:45] <lordrayden> and it works with the kubuntu live cd
[10:46] <surgy> why arnt my samba shares showing up on my vista laptop?
[10:46] <jussi01> lordrayden: ok. have you followed the instructions in !sound?
[10:46] <lordrayden> no problem
[10:46] <lordrayden> what is !sound?
[10:46] <lordrayden> do i type it in konsole?
[10:46] <mrx_> i got a 15gb and 20gb harddrive in this computer
[10:46] <jussi01> !sound | lordrayden
[10:46] <ubotu> lordrayden: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[10:47] <lordrayden> k, let me see
[10:47] <mrx_> at least dolphins finds... 10g, 14g and 9.7g media there
[10:47] <nuxil> it finds mounted disks
[10:48] <nuxil> mrx_, just edit your fstab.
[10:50] <Y-Town> surgy: have you found anything in Vista to work well?
[10:50] <Dr_willis> surgy,  my shares work so good here..i find shrares with vista that dont really exist!
[10:50] <Dr_willis> :)
[10:51] <Dr_willis> i will have 'PublicFiles' and 'PublicFiles.exe' and 'Publicfiles.com' and 'Publiffiles.pif' shares.... figure that out
[10:51] <Dr_willis> Then the next day - it will be back to just 'PublicFiles'
[10:57] <surgy> i think my samba server on my linux box isnt running or isnt working right, or something along those lines
[10:57] <Dr_willis> see if you can see/connect to them locally.
[10:59] <Y-Town> surgy: Kubuntu?
[10:59] <surgy> on one machine and vista home on the laptop
[11:00] <Y-Town> surgy: You on Kubuntu?
[11:00] <surgy> i can see the laptops shared folders localy  but not the kubuntu shares, and Y-Town i answered that, my desktop is kubuntu 7.10
[11:02] <surgy> aha i want running the server!
[11:02] <surgy> i got it now
[11:06] <Dr_willis> heh heh..
[11:06] <Dr_willis> dident have samba server installed?
[11:10] <lordrayden> hi again, still no sound and I'm bored, can I use the kubuntu-live-dvd to repair my kubuntu installation? I have a separate /home partition, but maybe there is an easier way than formatting and clean install?
[11:12] <lordrayden> did anyone experience trouble updating the last few days? my system was runnin smooth 4 over a week till 2day
[11:12] <Dr_willis> im glad i have no sound issues with my audigy 2 card. :)
[11:13] <tuxv> i have a hard drive without a partition table, do you know how to fix it ?
[11:13] <lordrayden> not yet :)
[11:13] <Dr_willis> There may of been some buggy updates. But i havent noticed anything myself.
[11:13] <lordrayden> just kiddin
[11:13] <lordrayden> :)
[11:13] <tuxv> I tried qtparted, it says unable to create a partition table
[11:13] <Dr_willis> try booting an older kernel - see if that works
[11:13] <Dr_willis> tuxv,  that sounds like the hd may be dead.
[11:13] <tuxv> um... it reads the name and the size of the hd
[11:14] <nuxil> mkfs.ext3 /dev/disk
[11:14] <lordrayden> dr willis, my sound works fine when I run the live cd, I would like 2 avoid clean install, how do i do a recovery setup with *buntu?
[11:14] <swatto> morning all
[11:15] <tuxv> nuxil: I think it's going to work, thanks :)
[11:15] <Dr_willis> lordrayden,  not sure.  Thats whyi said try with an older kernel see if it works then.
[11:15] <Dr_willis> hmm.. qtparted says no partition table.. but it has a parittion table....
[11:15] <Dr_willis> since you can format it...
[11:16] <Dr_willis> I would be keeping data backups of anything imporntant you put on that hd.
[11:16] <nuxil> hehe yea strange
[11:16] <tuxv> nope... no info ojn that hd
[11:17] <tuxv> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57915/
[11:18] <lordrayden> tnx doctor, i can format, but i never had this struggle with debian, now i go give *buntu one more try, and if I update again and same prob, I get back to my old steady habits :)
[11:18] <nuxil> tuxv, to get info on the disk use. sudo hdparm -i /dev/disk
[11:18] <lordrayden> anyway, *buntu looks great
[11:19] <tuxv> mkfs is stuck with this line, Writing inode tables:  77/153
[11:19] <nuxil> tuxv, use fdisk and create a partition.
[11:20] <nuxil> tuxv, pgrep mksf.ext3 and kill the number
[11:20] <tuxv> what ?
[11:20] <nuxil> you said it was stuck
[11:20] <nuxil> use pgrep mkfs.ext3
[11:21] <tuxv> yeah
[11:21] <nuxil> then kill the pid
[11:21] <tuxv> ok
[11:21] <nuxil> and use fdisk
[11:21] <tuxv> got it
[11:21] <nuxil> sudo fdisk /dev/hdb
[11:22] <nuxil> sudo fdisk /dev/hdb press n , p, 1, w
[11:22] <nuxil> quit
[11:22] <tuxv> I issued the sudo fdisk /dev/hdb command... it's still working...
[11:23] <nuxil> then run mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb1
[11:23] <tuxv> fdisk doesn't start
[11:23] <tuxv> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo fdisk /dev/hdb
[11:24] <tuxv> it's stuck after this line
[11:24] <nuxil> hmm
[11:25] <tuxv> I was fomatting it with ubuntu, and killed the process halfway
[11:25] <tuxv> I think it had caused this error
[11:25] <tuxv> so it can't be any physical damage right ?
[11:28] <nuxil> tuxv, it shouldnt
[11:30] <swatto> when I try to open internet links in applications it tries to open konqueror and then just nothing happens - so i have to paste the link directly into the address bar - anyone know about this bug?
[11:31] <nuxil> i have the same issue
[11:31] <nuxil> i think its a bug
[11:35] <tuxv> cfdisk is also stuck
[11:35] <nuxil> tuxv, lsof /dev/hdb
[11:36] <tuxv> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ lsof /dev/hdb
[11:36] <tuxv> lsof: WARNING: can't stat() tmpfs file system /cow
[11:36] <tuxv>       Output information may be incomplete.
[11:37] <nuxil> strange
[11:38] <MDCore> I'm runny gutsy and having problems with wireless on my laptop. It detects the security on my AP's as WEP instead of WPA for some reason and won't let me connect. Any ideas?
[11:39] <Dorwin6_> sec dan, gonna identify
[11:43] <ercan_> hi, anyone using kde4?
[11:44] <ercan_> oh sorry. just saw a link in the topic, never mind
[11:54] <noaXess> what you people use for unpacking rar files?
[11:58] <MDCore> noaXess: rar ?
[11:58] <MDCore> unrar?
[11:59] <bascule> choices are limited
[12:13] <Dr_willis> what more do ya need. :) rar, unrar, or wine winrar.exe
[12:20] <crocod> i use 7z plugin to extract rars
[12:23] <nuxil> i made a bash rar cracker script a while ago. man its a slow prosess to crack pw on rar files
[12:23] <nuxil> epesialy on big files
[12:24] <Dr_willis> the rar files i find with passwords..normally get deleted and a note put on the tracker site  :)
[12:24] <crocod> not so slow on my ibm supercomputer grid
[12:25] <Dr_willis> passwordcracking@home :)
[12:25] <nuxil> http://pastebin.ca/924502
[12:25] <crocod> but this thing is taking 3 floors
[12:25] <crocod> :/
[12:25] <nuxil> takes up to 25 char pw lenght
[12:29] <ere4si> is it   startx   or   start x    to fire x up?
[12:29] <nuxil> startx
[12:29] <ere4si> thnx nuxil
[12:29] <Dr_willis> You could of tried each command. :)
[12:29] <stdin> commands don't contain spaces, only agreements to those commands
[12:31] <Dr_willis> agreements? Arguments. :)   Im getting tired also..
[12:31]  * Dr_willis needs to go get Sleepinated.
[12:32] <stdin> I've been up > 20 hours, simple sentences are no longer simple :p
[12:33] <nuxil> how do i make konwueror use detailed view as default ?
[12:33] <nuxil> on every dir
[12:34] <Dr_willis> save a profile,
[12:34] <vlt> Hello. When I open an NFS mounted folder in Konqueror sometimes not the same files as `ls` prints are shown. I must press Refresh, even closing and re-opening Konqueror doesn't help. Any idea how to solve this?
[12:34] <Dr_willis> save it as the default profile, whatever its called.
[12:34] <Dr_willis> vlt,  odd. f5 refreshes I thought.
[12:35] <vlt> nuxil: Settings -> profiles
[12:35] <Dr_willis> ive seen it happen if some app delets/makes a  file - while you are looking at a dir.
[12:36] <vlt> Dr_willis: Yes, F5 or refresh button refreshes. But I want Konqueror to show the actual contents at least when I re-open it, w/o having to press F5. Any idea?
[12:36] <Dr_willis> never noticed that issue.
[12:36] <Dr_willis> the #kde guys may know of some setting.
[12:37] <vlt> Dr_willis: I'll try. Thank you.
[12:47] <arias> pd sur kubuntu avec add and remove
[12:47] <arias> je viens de gnome et chercheaide pour gutsy
[12:47] <root______> hola
[12:48] <arias> someone for my pb
[12:48] <root______> hellow
[12:48] <arias> hola root
[12:48] <arias> que tal
[12:48] <arias> hi snill
[12:49] <arias> no one so bye bye
[12:49] <root______> hola arias bn y tu
[12:49] <arias> bn yu spik french,
 allah akbar
[12:51] <root______> hola
[12:51] <crocod> coca-cola
[12:51] <root______> jaja
[12:51] <krawek> root______: #kubuntu-es
[12:54] <root______> hola
[12:54] <stdin> !es | root______
[12:54] <ubotu> root______: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[12:55] <krawek> root______: doble click a ==> #kubuntu-es
[13:00] <root______> yes
[13:01] <root______> hellow
[13:12] <theunixgeek> Under Applications in my K menu, there are icons missing for the groups like internet, office, multimedia, etc. KDE4
[13:13] <root______> hola
[13:13] <SteveoSup> hello
 allah akbar
[13:14] <jpatrick> !en | root______
[13:14] <ubotu> root______: The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[13:19] <root______> hello ubotu cm these
[13:20] <root______> hello alesan
[13:21] <root______> hello kuadrosx.
[13:21] <stdin> why do you keep doing that?
[13:21] <Aranel> how can I use NVIDIA GeForce 9600GT with Linux ?
[13:22] <stdin> !nvidia | Aranel
[13:22] <ubotu> Aranel: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
 easy, just dont install nvidia drivers
[13:22] <Aranel> stdin: i know, but does NVIDIA support my card ?
[13:23] <stdin> Aranel: if you follow the link there is a list of supported cards
[13:23] <crocod> of course it does... NOT
[13:23] <stdin> crocod: if you don't have anything useful to say, then don't speak :)
[13:23] <root______> hello crocod
[13:23] <root______> cm these
 actually i'm  teh one who saying usefull thigs here and not you, your link useless, cuz that card not supported
[13:24] <Aranel> crocod: stdin: yes, it doesnt support :(
[13:24] <stdin> crocod: then post the information to show that
[13:25] <Aranel> crocod: stdin: Will NVIDIA support it soon ?
[13:25] <Aranel> i bought this card and i can't use it :/
[13:25] <sergeo> hi!)
[13:26] <root______> they all be located god tahat problem
[13:26] <root______> hi sergeo
[13:27] <root______> aranel you behave es a baby
[13:30] <Lynoure> root______: hm?
[13:31] <root______> hello lynoure
[13:32] <Lynoure> Aranel: If you are unsure if Nvidia has a closed source driver for your card, try some drivers or ask Nvidia. I think their pages have a list of what their closed drivers support, if closed is ok for you