[00:08] <xivulon> umountroot take 2: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6726/
[09:09] <cjwatson> saispo: so *what* exactly went wrong with germinate 0.44? What were the errors?
[09:34] <CIA-1> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2640 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/kde_ui.py): * KDE frontend: Translate the partition create dialog too.
[10:26] <CIA-1> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2641 ubiquity/ (3 files in 2 dirs): * Fix crash if opening /cdrom/.disk/info fails (with Jonathan and Evan).
[10:30] <xivulon> cjwatson, I would appreciate some help with bug #204133
[10:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204133 in wubi "wubi install unusable - Buffer I/O error on device loop0" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204133
[10:31] <xivulon> myself, evand and cking are on it, but the resolution might not be trivial (see cking comments)
[10:41] <xivulon> and it would involve some delicate files
[10:44] <cjwatson> I think adding me to the mix is unlikely to help at this point, frankly
[10:44] <cjwatson> I do feel that adding complexity to the system (as you suggest in your last comment) will only make it worse and even harder to debug
[10:45] <cjwatson> but honestly, my head hurts just looking at that bug and I need to sort out recruiting catch-up today
[10:46] <xivulon> I'll wait for cking and evand to discuss further, if you have any idea on how to handle it, please let us know
[10:46] <cjwatson> it sounds to me as if Colin K simply misunderstood the order of events, and that talking to *him* on IRC would help
[10:46] <cjwatson> he's on UK timezone
[10:46] <xivulon> ah is up on #ubuntu-kernel...
[10:46] <cjwatson> right, he'll be *much* better at dealing with this than going through me
[10:48] <xivulon> ok, wanted also to make sure you knew about the bug
[10:49] <cjwatson> I do ;-)
 ..me neither. I think we may need some expertise from someone like Colin Watson.
[11:54] <saispo> cjwatson: excuse me i'm not @work today
[11:54] <saispo> i can tell you that on monday
[11:55] <cjwatson> saispo: it's a shame you didn't tell me at the time, rather than just saying "there were some errors"
[11:55] <cjwatson> saispo: this means that the chances of me being able to fix it for 8.04 are greatly reduced
[11:55] <saispo> yep :/ it's a python error
[11:55] <cjwatson> are you building mythbuntu?
[11:55] <saispo> no
[11:56] <cjwatson> ok
[11:56] <saispo> , i build my own custom cd
[11:56] <saispo> don't move, i try to connect to my remote server
[11:56] <cjwatson> you should have filed a bug with the error dump
[11:56] <saispo> no, don't take the time :/ i have a lot of work yesterday
[11:56] <saispo> i powerup my laptop
[12:07] <saispo> cjwatson: can i copy/paste it here ?
[12:09] <cjwatson> paste.ubuntu.com
[12:12] <saispo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6750/
[12:12] <saispo> no problem with germinate 0.43
[12:15] <cjwatson> huh, that's odd
[12:16] <cjwatson> eek, uncommitted change
[12:16] <cjwatson> sorry about that, will fix
[12:17] <saispo> ok :)
[12:31] <cjwatson> saispo: 0.45 making its way into the archive now; sorry about that glitch
[12:34] <saispo> no problem :)
[12:34] <saispo> thanks cjwatson
[14:11] <xivulon> evand ping
[14:12] <evand> xivulon: pong
[14:13] <xivulon> ah 2 things,1 you may want to review the logs of #ubuntu-kernel we discussed on umountroot
[14:14] <xivulon> 2 I have a new report of segfault, that is with a 2.36 build
[14:14] <xivulon> good news is that I have a potential idea
[14:14] <xivulon> would need you to upload a build to have them test it
[14:15] <xivulon> can you pls replace src/wubi/info_networking.nsh with http://paste.ubuntu.com/6759/
[14:15] <xivulon> and upload a build?
[14:15] <evand> will do
[14:15] <xivulon> thx
[14:25] <evand> cjwatson: fwiw, given slangasek's comments in bug 215347, I think I'm going to have to revert my changes to partman-target and ubiquity and hold them and the fix for the point that he raises in a branch until Intrepid.
[14:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215347 in ubiquity "freeze exception: clear_partitions warning." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215347
[14:25] <xivulon> evand, the above is only for having the users test with more debugging info, not really a fix per se (in case I wasn't lear)
[14:31] <cjwatson> evand: I'll follow up in the bug
[14:31] <evand> xivulon: http://people.ubuntu.com/~evand/tmp/Wubi-8.04-beta-rev482.exe
[14:33] <xivulon> great thx: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=751366
[15:07] <xivulon> evand pls follow discussion on #ubuntu-kernel
[15:18] <CIA-1> debian-installer: cjwatson * r906 ubuntu/ (9 files in 4 dirs): * Move to 2.6.24-16 kernels.
[15:20] <CIA-1> debian-installer: cjwatson * r907 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20070308ubuntu38
[15:21] <evand> xivulon: indeed
[15:37] <xivulon> well apparently cking was not able to reproduce fs corruption, which is good news
[15:38] <xivulon> but we are not sure why, since sync operations are slow and do not seem to show much respect for sysctl settings...
[16:34] <Mirv> is it intended that the language selection on bootup on live cd does not any more affect LANG? now the Install icon isn't translated, even though the installer apparently gets its language info from the kernel parameter.
[16:34] <Mirv> this has changed during the last few days, I took screenshots on 5th where the Install icon was translated (together with the menu entries etc. which have translations included even without language packs)
[16:35] <cjwatson> there was a bug about that, I'd be investigating it if I weren't on the phone
[16:36] <cjwatson> oh, I bet casper needs to be changed, sigh
[16:37] <Mirv> ok.
[16:39] <cjwatson> argh. hard.
[16:49] <cjwatson> Mirv: bug 213930, FWIW
[16:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213930 in gfxboot-theme-ubuntu "Language selection does not affect live system, only menu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213930
[16:59] <Mirv> cjwatson: thanks, I tried to find that
[17:07] <xivulon> Evand in the bug report I do not see the debugging message I added, there should be for instance one "DetectNetworkSettings" after profile name
[17:13] <evand> 7hrm
[17:22] <evand> xivulon: fixed and tested, http://people.ubuntu.com/~evand/tmp/Wubi-8.04-beta-rev482.exe .  Sorry about that.
[17:22] <xivulon> np
[17:22] <evand> err wait
[17:22] <xivulon> that is built with 2.36 correct?
[17:22] <xivulon> waiting
[17:22] <evand> yikes, I just put that in the wrong place
[17:22] <evand> ok, done
[17:22] <xivulon> same link?
[17:22] <evand> yes
[17:23] <xivulon> thx
[17:23] <evand> and yes, it is
[17:47] <xivulon> evand I see lupin 0.15 in the manifest but only 0.14 in LP
[17:49] <evand> forgot to push, fixed
[17:49] <xivulon> thanks
[17:53] <xivulon> bdmurray: would you mind testing the lates daily ISO and see if you can boot without hacks?
[17:54] <bdmurray> xivulon: Do you mean install using wubi from the latest daily and then see if I can boot normally?
[17:55] <xivulon> yes please
[17:55] <bdmurray> The Ubuntu daily-live?
[17:55] <xivulon> yes, we have some sysctl changes would like to know if they are sufficient
[17:56] <xivulon> much appreciated
[18:04] <bdmurray> xivulon: I forget does it need to be an i386 iso?
[18:04] <xivulon> you should use the same arch that was causing problems originally
[18:26] <CIA-1> partman-target: evand * r716 ubuntu/check.d/partitions_formatted: Fix output of partitions_formatted.
[18:34] <bdmurray> xivulon: I've just noticed that if you press "ok" when presented with "not enough free space" the setup still comes up.
[18:38] <xivulon> bdmurray: can you post the log (in %temp%)?
[18:39] <xivulon> evand, in my segfault hunt I found that most reports segfault at either registry_reader.nsh or the tooltip plugin
[18:40] <xivulon> that is where the program stops, not necessarily where the problem starts
[18:40] <xivulon> but there are new versions for both and it might be worth to try and update them, as usual it's a shot in the dark
[18:42] <evand> xivulon: If we hope to get them in the final version for Hardy, we'll need to demonstrate that they actually fix the bugs in question.  Now that we're in FinalFreeze this is especially true.
[18:42] <evand> Are these install attempts using the new NSIS?
[18:43] <xivulon> last 2 reports yes (482 should be using 2.36 unless I made a mistake)
[18:44] <evand> argh
[18:44] <xivulon> hard evidence is going to be difficult, will talk to the debian mainteiner of nsis in case he has any tip
[18:44] <xivulon> I still cannot reproduce
[18:45] <xivulon> I guess though there is no harm in doing a temp build with 2.36 and new tooltips/registry_reader and pass it to users with problems
[18:45] <evand> Getting it in otherwise is going to be equally difficult, unless slangasek is more willing to let such changes in than I think as they don't have any dependencies in the archive.
[18:45] <evand> yeah, definitely
[18:46] <evand> Even for our own sanity at this point, we shouldn't be throwing entirely new versions of things in to try to solve the problems of a minority.
[18:47] <xivulon> Well in the case of registry_reader the delta should be small... I already spotted a couple of suspicious differences...
[18:49] <xivulon> I didn't write that part of the code, it's from Ecology2007, and I he sourced from an nsis script that has since been updated
[18:51] <evand> ok
[18:54] <xivulon> also neither is actually that essential, one is for tooltip, one is to detect ip/gateway to preseed in case there is no dhcp
[18:56] <evand> right, but the new versions could trigger segfaults as well, no?
[18:57] <evand> err could cause
[19:00] <xivulon> yes, well I will create a branch with new tooltips and new reg_reader code with some special builds, better have it ready
[19:00] <xivulon> if it solves some real user cases without too much troubles we will resume the discussion
[19:00] <evand> fantastic, thanks
[19:01] <evand> any word from newz on getting a direct download link for wubi on the website?
[19:01] <xivulon> no I never talked to him
[19:01] <evand> oh?  I thought you were in discussions with him and slangasek, or was that just for metalink?
[19:02] <xivulon> I only taled to slangasek re metalinks
[19:02] <xivulon> on irc
[19:02] <bdmurray> xivulon: I've having a bit of hard time recreating it as I started cleaning up the drive.  The free message said "4999 MB < 5000 MB" so maybe it only continues at the specific amount of free space?
[19:02] <xivulon> ah you need 1 MB!!!
[19:03] <xivulon> you can do it!
[19:03] <xivulon> (probably 2 for some headroom)
[19:04] <bdmurray> That's not a problem, I thought we were talking about the fact that clicking on "OK" lets you proceed when you have 4999 MB free
[19:04] <xivulon> ah sure, I will need the log for that ^
[19:04] <bdmurray> I'll see what I can do
[19:04] <xivulon> the log is in your user temp folder
[19:05] <xivulon> %temp%
[19:08] <xivulon> bdmurray: did you have a partial installation when you run the installer? or was that after having uninstalled?
[19:08] <xivulon> well I'll see from the log...
[19:11] <xivulon> evand on 204133 I think that the fs corruption was a coincidence (see my last comment), coupled with cking comments on irc about his inability to reproduce fs corruption, that is encouraging
[19:14] <evand> indeed, here's hoping
[19:14] <bdmurray> xivulon: does http://pastebin.com/f56adc04b
[19:14] <bdmurray> ...have what you are looking for?
[19:14] <evand> I'll start to put wubi through a stress test as well.
[19:15] <evand> xivulon: re download button> So you never got a response to your email on the 1st to Matthew about the matter?
[19:17] <xivulon> bdmurray, thanks
[19:17] <bdmurray> xivulon: I didn't realize the log was appended to
[19:18] <xivulon> evand no, unless I missed it
[19:18] <xivulon> but do not think so (no = no email response)
[19:18] <evand> ok, I'll talk to him and see what's up.
[19:18] <xivulon> thx
[19:20] <xivulon> bdmurray I think that occurred because you where just at 5000 free
[19:20] <xivulon> and when the log was written you dropped below (I left a second check just in case, but without quitting)
[19:22] <xivulon> will fix it!
[19:23] <xivulon> if you start with 4999 for instance the application should quit
[19:23] <xivulon> in fact that is what happened in the later runs of yours
[19:25] <xivulon> have to go, bdmurray please add a comment to 204133 when you are done over sysctl, if it does not work you may want to fiddle with the sysctl settings in /etc/init.d/lupin-sysctl and rise the numbers in there
[19:26] <xivulon> see cking comment for a link on the topic
[19:26] <bdmurray> xivulon: yes, I've seen them
[19:26] <xivulon> thanks a lot!
[19:26] <bdmurray> xivulon: after installing I click "close" and it is not responsding do you want the same log file?
[19:27] <xivulon> hmm after installing you should see the reboot dialog, and the only button should be "finish"
[19:29] <bdmurray> It said / says "Installation Complete" (w/o the green bar all the way full as we've discussed) and only button available was "Close"
[19:29] <bdmurray> It also said "Completed" above the green bar
[19:30] <xivulon> hmm strange it should move automatically to the reboot page
[19:30] <xivulon> yeah send the log
[19:31] <xivulon> maybe a screenshot too
[19:31] <bdmurray> okay, should I use the same green bar bug or a new one?
[19:32] <xivulon> that will do
[19:43] <evand> xivulon: ok, he's committed to having it on the "alternate install options" page, and he's going to start a discussion on whether its appropriate to have on the main downloads page.
[19:46] <xivulon> evand thanks a lot
[22:10] <joshk> ~>air
[22:39] <joshk> er


[03:22] <gwaily> hello?
[03:22] <gwaily> anybody here?
[03:24] <arraybolt3> o/
[03:28] <porquilho> yes
[03:28]  * Bashing-om Sometimes thinks I am a body
[03:36] <guiverc> gwaily, if you have a Xubuntu support question, please just ask it (be patient, people respond when they can).  For general discussion, #xubuntu-offtopic is more appropriate
[03:40] <gwaily> what is this thing used for? I'm new to linux
[03:42] <arraybolt3> IRC is a chat protocol that's kinda like Discord, only it's a lot older. This particular chat room (or channel, in IRC terms) is for Xubuntu technical support.
[03:42] <arraybolt3> Basically, if something goes wrong with your computers, there's a bunch of volunteers here who might be able to help you fix it.
[03:43] <arraybolt3> (Heh, "computers" was a typo, though still accurate :P)
[03:45] <arraybolt3> There's also channels for just chatting with people (#ubuntu-offtopic being one of the most popular), channels for discussing a particular topic (#ubuntu-discuss and #linux for instance), etc.
[03:46] <guiverc> this room is specifically for Xubuntu questions (supported releases only)
[05:41] <AlanSmith425> Hi, I have a very strange problem with Xubuntu 22.04.1, can someone please help?  I have a PC that I need to autologin (it's running a graphical program unattended as an appliance), but randomly I will still get a login prompt on boot.  On certain hardware I get a login prompt 99% of the time, on certain other hardware (with a cloned disk image)
[05:41] <AlanSmith425> I'll get a login prompt 10% of the time.  I've already followed some online suggestions to create the autologin group and add the user to that, it doesn't solve the issue.  How can I troubleshoot what's going on?  Is there a way to nuke PAM or the greeter or something, so it's literally impossible to get a login prompt?
[05:46] <arraybolt3> Silly question, but are you sure it's the login prompt you're seeing and not the screen locker?
[05:47] <AlanSmith425> Thanks for your reply.  I am not sure.  How can I tell the difference?  I have configured power options to not sleep nor lock, though.  This is the first screen that appears on boot.
[05:50] <AlanSmith425> As part of trying to fix the problem, I had also put the user into the group nopasswd login.  At which point the login prompt doesn't require a password anymore, instead you had to just click the login button.  I've removed the user from that group.
[05:55] <arraybolt3> Sorry, got distracted, back now.
[05:55] <arraybolt3> There's two possible ways to tell the difference.
[05:55] <arraybolt3> For one, a login screen *should* let you attempt to shut the computer down. A lock screen usually won't provide that option.
[05:56] <arraybolt3> For two, a login screen will take a while to log into, whereas a lock screen will come unlocked almost instantly when you provide your password and hit Enter.
[05:56] <arraybolt3> If the screen is impeding your ability for the app to work, though, it's probably a login screen.
[05:57] <AlanSmith425> Ok.  I have the power icon on the top right, which allows me to shutdown/restart the machine.  So that mean's it's a login screen?
[05:57] <arraybolt3> Yeah.
[05:57] <AlanSmith425> The tricky thing is, the problem occurs intermittently.  I can reboot over and over, and it will autologin half of the time sometimes.
[05:58] <arraybolt3> I'm sadly not too familiar with how autologin works without a greeter, and if autologin with a greeter doesn't work, then I don't really know how to proceed here. What you might be able to do is uninstall the greeter (which will make the system boot into a terminal, I believe), then enable autologin on the console and add a "startx" line to $HOME/.profile to start the X session.
[05:58] <arraybolt3> You'll definitely want to test that before actually doing it in production.
[05:59] <arraybolt3> Also the GUI might end up looking wonky - it may be possible to rectify that by making a change to $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS just before running startx, but I don't know if that will work on Xubuntu or not.
[06:00] <AlanSmith425> Ok, I will try that, thanks.  Also, I'm not too familiar with the deep guts of linux.  Can you point me to a log file where I might look for errors and such?  Would it be var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log?
[06:05] <arraybolt3> That sounds likely.
[06:05] <arraybolt3> Maybe also look at the output of "journalctl".
[06:06] <AlanSmith425> kk Thanks.   If anyone else has any insights, please help?
[06:12] <AlanSmith425> Hmm, /var/log/lightdm/seat0-greeter.log  has these lines:
[06:12] <AlanSmith425> ** Message: 16:35:27.836: [Configuration] Reading file: /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf
[06:12] <AlanSmith425> Excess arguments.
[06:12] <AlanSmith425> (lightdm-gtk-greeter:879): Gtk-WARNING **: 16:35:28.417: Drawing a gadget with negative dimensions. Did you forget to allocate a size? (node menubar owner GreeterMenuBar)
[06:12] <AlanSmith425> Is this normal?
[06:15] <AlanSmith425> There's nothing in lightdm.log that indicates it was trying to autologin, would it normally say something if so?
[06:21] <arraybolt3> I actually don't know :P
[06:21] <arraybolt3> Sorry, I've never had autologin fail on me, so I'm giving somewhat general troubleshooting advice and ideas that are mostly shots in the dark.
[06:23] <AlanSmith425> It's very mysterious.  It works perfectly 100% in a VM.  Just on actual hardware does it act oddly.
[06:24] <arraybolt3> If sometimes autologin works and sometimes it doesn't, and especially if it's hardware-dependent, I'm guessing this is a race condition bug in LightDM itself.
[06:24] <arraybolt3> Might be worth filing a bug report on.
[06:24] <arraybolt3> But in the mean time, you just need the system to work.
[06:25] <arraybolt3> So, here's a possibly helpful question. Is the GUI actually used? Or is it just part of the app but you never interact with it?
[06:25] <arraybolt3> Meh, that's still going to lead to complicated answers though.
[06:25] <arraybolt3> hmm...
[06:26] <AlanSmith425> This is for a digital signage system.  So I need to be able to display MPV at least.  Also the other staff onsite aren't familiar with Linux so having a GUI kinda helps them if they need to change IP address or whatever.
[06:27] <arraybolt3> "Further investigation on what I was seeing showed this to be a race between X starting and the intel i915 graphics kernel module being loaded (because it's not built into the kernel)." Drat.
[06:27] <arraybolt3> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1250875 Looks like you're running into this bug.
[06:27] -ubottu:#xubuntu- Launchpad bug 1250875 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "Lightdm sometimes fails to auto login" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[06:28] <arraybolt3> I don't know if that comment is accurate or not, but it looks like this is something that's happened to other peopel.
[06:28] <arraybolt3> *people
[06:30] <AlanSmith425> Ah, nice find, thanks.  Hmm, I already jumped ship on this system from Kubuntu to Xubuntu due to running into some obscure bug.  Maybe it's time to jump to Lubuntu -_-;
[06:30] <arraybolt3> What was the bug on Kubuntu?
[06:30] <arraybolt3> Was it also with the greeter?
[06:31] <arraybolt3> Because you should be aware that Kubuntu and Lubuntu both use the same greeter, SDDM.
[06:31] <arraybolt3> (Xubuntu uses LightDM, which is different.)
[06:31] <arraybolt3> AlanSmith425: OK, I found some interesting info.
[06:32] <arraybolt3> Is there a ~/.dmrc file?
[06:32] <AlanSmith425> No, with Kubuntu the problem was, if the system was booted when the screen was turned off, then turning the screen on wouldn't display an image.
[06:33] <AlanSmith425> Yes, I have tried some troubleshooting around the ~/.dmrc file.  I have tried having it, deleting it, and also changing the session name to "xfce"
[06:33] <arraybolt3> Do you have an /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf file or /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d directory?
[06:33] <AlanSmith425> Deleting the ~/.dmrc file sometimes causes the next boot to autologin correctly.  But I couldn't get it to be fixed permanently.
[06:35] <AlanSmith425> I have the lightdm.conf file.  I also have the directory, but it seems to be empty.
[06:35] <arraybolt3> Try opening the lightdm.conf file with nano or whatever.
[06:35] <arraybolt3> (You'll need to open it as root, e.g. sudo nano /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf)
[06:35] <AlanSmith425> [Seat:*]
[06:35] <AlanSmith425> autologin-guest=false
[06:35] <AlanSmith425> autologin-user=build
[06:35] <AlanSmith425> autologin-user-timeout=0
[06:36] <AlanSmith425> (build is the correct username)
[06:36] <arraybolt3> So you already did this.
[06:36] <AlanSmith425> The autologin-user thing?  Yeah.
[06:37] <arraybolt3> Maybe the timeout field should be removed, or possibly set to -1?
[06:38] <arraybolt3> (Sometimes 0 means "instant" and -1 means "indefinite".)
[06:38] <arraybolt3> (I don't know if it will act that way here, but it might.)
[06:38] <AlanSmith425> I have also been able to reproduce on a fresh install of xubuntu using the "login automatically" option in the installer, on this hardware.  Hmm, how do I show what graphics kernel module I am using?  (To check if I am running into the Intel race condition in that bug you linked to me.)
[06:39] <arraybolt3> If your system has an Intel CPU and no discrete graphics card, then it's almost certainly using the i915 driver.
[06:39] <arraybolt3> `lspci -k` should show you what drivers are used for what hardware.
[06:39] <arraybolt3> (For at least some hardware in the system.)
[06:39] <AlanSmith425> Ok, yeah, it's a small form factor corporate machine with an intel CPU.  So highly likely.
[06:40] <AlanSmith425> Yup, i915
[06:41] <arraybolt3> Bah. I don't have a Xubuntu ISO on my system at the moment for testing.
[06:42] <AlanSmith425> Hmm, so the bug is "Confirmed" and 10 years old.  I guess there's zero chance of anyone bothering to fix this anytime soon...?
[06:43] <arraybolt3> Probably more like "almost no one else can reproduce the bug so it's impossible to fix".
[06:43] <arraybolt3> Oh wow. My Internet is horribly slow, I won't be able to test things locally to see how to work around the bug.
[06:43] <arraybolt3> Yeah, you might try Lubuntu and see if it gives you better results. I have yet to hear of Lubuntu's autologin failing to work.
[06:44] <AlanSmith425> Ok, I'll give it a try.  By finding that bug, you've at least saved me a few days of bashing my head against a wall :)    Thanks so much.
[06:46] <arraybolt3> Glad to at least try to help! :)
[17:23] <simone46> hi, I'minstalling xubuntu right now and I'm wondering about the button "skip" ... what does it skip?
[19:31] <xubuntu46i> Hi
[19:31] <xubuntu46i> I am installing Xubuntu, the last version
[19:31] <xubuntu46i> I am installing it in a pendrive
[19:33] <xubuntu46i> I want to use windows when I don't insert my pendrive in my computer
[19:33] <xubuntu46i> I hope I can do the boot correctly
[19:34] <xubuntu46i> I did the partition in my pendrive whit the root partition with a default setting
[19:34] <xubuntu46i> and an ESI or something called like that because it was reiquiered
[19:35] <xubuntu46i> I hope everything will be okay
[19:35] <xubuntu46i> any suggestions or opinions?
[19:35] <xubuntu46i> thank you
[22:40] <porquilho> what are these loop2 loop18 disks when you do sudo fdisk -l
[22:53] <rfm> porquilho, they're artifacts of installed snaps, it's how the squashfs that holds the snap gets mounted.
[22:53] <porquilho> thanks
[22:53] <porquilho> im going to delet eit
[22:53] <porquilho> den
[22:54] <rfm> porquilho, "lsblk" will show you which loop is connected to which snap
[22:54] <rfm> porquilho, in general you should just ignore them
[22:55] <porquilho> https://i.imgur.com/RTJ4rHc.png
[22:55] <porquilho> is this normal
[22:55] <porquilho> gtk?
[22:55] <porquilho> i have xubuntu i dont need gtk
[22:56] <porquilho> what is gtk
[23:01] <rfm> porquilho, gtk is a graphic toolkit used by many apps, mainly GNOME related but some apps running on Xubuntu would use them.  firefox may need them, I forget how to display dependencies...
[23:01] <porquilho> its okay
[23:01] <porquilho> thank yoiu
[23:03] <rfm> porquilho, it's "snap connections | grep firefox" and indeed firefox depends on gtk-common-themes and gnome-3-38
[23:04] <porquilho> ill check then
[23:04] <porquilho> https://i.imgur.com/hPPCc7a.png
[23:05] <porquilho> rfm:


[15:35] <hank> Another bad date ("unknown") popped up in the OVAL XML for CVE-2022-32886 on 20.04
[15:37] <hank> would it be possible for the generator to attempt to parse the dates it creates?
[15:54] <ebarretto> hank, it could, but then what? this shouldn't stop the process from generating the data imho
[15:54] <ebarretto> I think this is something to be fixed in CVE generation, or avoided during CVE generation
[15:59] <ebarretto> hank, what kind of issues is the date causing to you?
[16:16] <hank> I mean, if the generator is producing a bogus date, that's something to alert on
[16:17] <hank> I ask because this has happened multiple times, and could be noticed during the generation process if it just tried to read what it creates
[16:18] <hank> the problem this causes to me is that my software is parsing the OVAL feed and erroring out because "unknown" isn't any sort of valid date
[16:27] <ebarretto> hank, the generator is not producing a bogus date, it comes from CVE file: https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cve-tracker/tree/active/CVE-2022-32886 ... the OVAL data is still a valid one with this bogus date (oscap oval validate will succeed)
[16:28] <ebarretto> hank, which software are you using?
[16:37] <ebarretto> my colleague fixed the CVE date status, should take a few hours to have this reflected in OVAL
[16:37] <ebarretto> I will personally take a look tomorrow on what is happening with the CVE generation to create this bogus date
[16:53] <hank> Clair, but the code handling this is specifically https://github.com/quay/goval-parser/blob/master/oval/types.go#L134


[00:22] <nixternal> wow, converting the docs to html and fixing all of the links is a real pita
[02:31] <CIA-6> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal gutsy * r4487 /kubuntu/ (4 files in 2 dirs): updates to allow me to build for the kubuntu.org website
[07:56] <mdke> nixternal: don't forget to merge your changes to the relevant bzr branch if you want them to be permanent
[08:26] <mdke> nixternal: for fixing links, you might want to have a look at the script I used for feisty and adapt it it's under ubuntu/fix-links.sh iirc
[13:15] <nixternal> mdke: not going to make them permanent just yet...I am going to try and thing of a better way for the Hardy branch on doing the job
[13:16] <jjesse> morning rich
[16:36] <ubotu> New bug: #158689 in ubuntu-docs (main) "RealPlayer Help link not working" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158689
[20:36] <jjesse> mdke: ping... i did a bzr status of the ubuntu-hardy branch and it showed  a large chunk of changes, things being modified, things being deleted and then everything being re-added


[01:32] <c_smith> yay! finally got a working Samba share! :D
[01:33] <c_smith> the previous attempt I made, Windows couldn't connect, don't know about other Linux or Macs, but Windows at least can now connect.
[01:37] <nathwill> haha! andoirc ftw!
[01:39] <nathwill> we'll see how long the battery lasts like this
[02:07] <c_smith> I have 2 high capacity batteries for this laptop, one is from my mother when she got rid of her laptop which thankfully was the same model as this one.
[06:37] <bkerensa> OpenBox come to me!
[06:37] <bkerensa> :D
[14:11] <nathwill> morning all
[15:45] <bkerensa> Hey Nathwill
[15:45] <bkerensa> OpenBox ftw
[15:45] <bkerensa> :P
[15:45] <nathwill> yeah?
[15:45] <bkerensa> across the boad
[15:46] <bkerensa> :D
[15:46] <nathwill> it's pretty sweet once you get the rc.xml and the menu.xml set up the way you like it :D
[15:46] <bkerensa> Ubuntu Server Base with OpenBox
[15:46] <bkerensa> :D
[15:46] <nathwill> sweet
[15:46] <nathwill> what're you using for a tray?
[15:46]  * nathwill runs off to break
[15:46] <bkerensa> adesklet
[15:57] <bkerensa> nathwill: :P
[16:08]  * nathwill returns
[16:12] <bkerensa> indeed
[16:12] <bkerensa> :D
[16:13] <bkerensa> nathwill: I also installed CB for dual-boot on my laptop
[16:13] <nathwill> oh yeah?
[16:13] <bkerensa> yeah
[16:13] <nathwill> you steal the .config dir for the openbox conf?
[16:13] <bkerensa> ?
[16:13] <bkerensa> it was configed out of the box
[16:13] <bkerensa> :D
[16:13] <nathwill> hrm
[16:13] <bkerensa> didnt have to do anything.... looks just like your setup
[16:13] <bkerensa> :D
[16:13] <bkerensa> identical
[16:14] <bkerensa> except for the wallpaper
[16:14] <nathwill> i dunno what the default openbox config is for ubuntu
[16:14] <bkerensa> no no
[16:14] <bkerensa> on CB
[16:14] <bkerensa> :D
[16:14] <nathwill> oh
[16:14] <nathwill> gotcha
[16:14] <nathwill> yeah, that's a good thing. :)
[16:14] <bkerensa> OpenBox on Ubuntu was fun.... I found a howto
[16:14] <bkerensa> :D
[16:14] <nathwill> nice
[16:15] <bkerensa> kinda surprised CB doesnt offer a e-mail client by default
[16:15] <nathwill> i like the keyboard shortcuts in CB, which is why i tend to steal the configs for other dists i use OpenBox on
[16:15] <nathwill> well
[16:15] <bkerensa> what do they want me to use Pine :D
[16:16] <nathwill> no, mutt
[16:16] <bkerensa> lol
[16:16] <nathwill> mutt, w3m, moc, mc, identicurse
[16:16] <nathwill> fugget about gtk sucka
[16:17] <bkerensa> what do you use?
[16:17] <nathwill> for mail?
[16:17] <nathwill> claws-mail
[16:17] <nathwill> with a different theme than the default
[16:17] <nathwill> cuz the default is ugly as sin
[16:18] <nathwill> but claws-mail has fantastic filtering and processing rule tools
[16:18] <bkerensa> Hmm
[16:19] <nathwill> i usually use that or thunderbird
[16:19]  * bkerensa has to use Thunderbird.... LastPass Support, WiseStamp and other features
[16:19] <bkerensa> :D
[16:19] <nathwill> i'm not at all a fan of evolution
[16:21] <bkerensa> nathwill: What do they call the thunderbird package for CB/Debian?
[16:21] <nathwill> icedove
[16:21]  * bkerensa tried mozilla-thunderbird
[16:21] <bkerensa> I thought so
[16:21] <bkerensa> :P
[16:21] <nathwill> yeah, icedove and iceweasel are the non-mozilla-branded packages
[16:21] <nathwill> but it's the exact same software
[16:21] <bkerensa> LOL
[16:22] <bkerensa> nathwill: What are you using for music?
[16:22] <bkerensa> :D
[16:22] <nathwill> deadbeef
[16:22] <nathwill> depends on what you want
[16:22] <bkerensa> :P
[16:23] <nathwill> i use the last.fm client most of the time
[16:23]  * bkerensa just installed rhythmbox
[16:23] <bkerensa> :D
[16:23] <bkerensa> which has Last.fm plus everything else
[16:23] <nathwill> i like deadbeef for simplicity and lightweightness, but the mpd+sonata combination is also very popular in CB community
[16:23]  * bkerensa is kind of considering paying the monthly cost of Spotify
[16:23] <bkerensa> =/
[16:23] <nathwill> it's bloody retarded that their native linux client requires a paid account
[16:23] <bkerensa> yeah
[16:24] <bkerensa> their excuse is rubbish
[16:24] <bkerensa> saying they dont know how to put in ads
[16:24] <bkerensa> honestly though Premium was nice
[16:25] <bkerensa> the offline mode for my phone and laptop
[16:25] <bkerensa> :D
[16:25] <bkerensa> But now you have to have Facebook
[16:25] <nathwill> yeaaaah
[16:25] <nathwill> not so cool
[16:25] <nathwill> slacker is good, and their new client has offline caching
[16:25] <nathwill> but i don't think they have a native linux client
[16:26] <nathwill> it's all done thru the browser
[16:26] <bkerensa> nathwill: How do I update the right-click menu? It didnt automatically add thunderbird and rhythmbox
[16:26] <bkerensa> :D
[16:26] <nathwill> it never does, that's what's great
[16:26] <nathwill> are you in CB?
[16:26] <nathwill> or ubuntu?
[16:27] <bkerensa> CB
[16:27] <bkerensa> menu.xml?
[16:27] <nathwill> settings->openbox->gui menu editor
[16:27] <nathwill> or menu.xml
[16:27] <nathwill> for the menu, i find it easier to use the gui (obmenu)
[16:29] <bkerensa> uhhh
[16:29] <bkerensa> derp derp
[16:29] <bkerensa> why did it not add to the menu?
[16:29]  * bkerensa edited the menu.xml and added a item and saved
[16:29] <bkerensa> =o
[16:30] <nathwill> openbox --reconfigure ???
[16:30] <nathwill> may need to reload it
[16:30] <nathwill> i don't have to reconfigure after using obmenu, but you might need to if you do it by hand
[16:30] <bkerensa> yep
[16:31] <bkerensa> :)
[16:31] <nathwill> cool
[16:31] <bkerensa> just had to reload
[16:31] <bkerensa> odd :P
[16:32] <bkerensa> notably still some things that suck about LastPass
[16:32]  * bkerensa uses 12-13 character strong passwords
[16:33] <bkerensa> so if I ever nuke one of my boxes its a fun process of resyncing everything
[16:33] <bkerensa> :D
[16:33] <nathwill> i bet
[16:36] <nathwill> i just have a funky algorthim i run through in my head to generate the pass
[16:37] <bkerensa> LOL
[16:37] <nathwill> they're pseudo-random, and... between 10-20 char depending on the service
[16:37] <bkerensa> well for most sites I use a 13 char strong pass
[16:37] <bkerensa> then for like two or three things I use a similar 12 char strong pass (with a few changed chars)
[16:38] <bkerensa> idk I imagine my pass and setup is more secure than most companies
[16:38] <bkerensa> ;)
[16:38] <bkerensa> I'm behind three firewalls
[16:38] <bkerensa> :P
[16:38] <nathwill> yikes
[16:38] <bkerensa> one at the gateway.... one at the router and another on my hub
[16:38] <bkerensa> :D
[16:39] <bkerensa> although I think I might setup a server in our telco closet
[16:39] <bkerensa> they have a rack in their but no servers
[16:39] <bkerensa> :)
[16:39] <bkerensa> just phone stuffs
[16:40] <bkerensa> In fact they have a weird vault of a thing that houses the phone stuff it looks like a safe with a front safety glass panel.... I think IntegraTelecom handles that though
[16:41] <nathwill> interesting
[16:44] <bkerensa> nathwill: We should grab sushi soon ;) I know a good place out towards your neck of the woods
[16:45] <nathwill> hellz yeah
[16:45] <nathwill> anything other than pasta, i'm down for
[16:46] <bkerensa> lol
[16:46] <bkerensa> maybe we can get Brian_H to duck out for some sushi ;) Idk if Indianians like Sushi though
[16:46] <bkerensa> :P
[16:48] <bkerensa> Hmm
[16:49] <bkerensa> Alright perfect, we're in for the t-shirts Ben, let me know next steps?
[16:49] <bkerensa> Thanks,
[16:49] <bkerensa> Eric
[16:49] <bkerensa> looks like we got t-shirts
[16:49] <bkerensa> :D
[16:49] <bkerensa> for Ocelot release
[16:50] <Brian_H> lol
[16:51] <bkerensa> Shirts are expensive
[16:51] <Brian_H> yes they are lol
[16:51] <bkerensa> I told them $23-24 a pop
[16:51] <bkerensa> and they were like so $300 or $2000
[16:51] <bkerensa> I said I estimate around $250
[17:22] <nathwill> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/09/from-desert-to-web-bringing-dead-sea.html
[17:23] <bkerensa> :(
[17:23]  * bkerensa is hating Google right now
[17:24] <bkerensa> finally
[17:24] <bkerensa> :P
[17:24] <bkerensa> their smtp is constantly down
[17:30] <nathwill> you should host a mail server of your own!
[17:31] <nathwill> then you can spend time hating yourself!
[17:39] <tgm4883> I am literally doing this guy's job today https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGS2tKQhdhY
[17:39] <nathwill> that is the best movie ever
[17:39] <tgm4883> agreed
[17:58] <bkerensa> nathwill: For redundancy local hosting of a mail server is unfeasible
[17:58] <bkerensa> :P
[17:58] <bkerensa> tgm4883: I sent a mail to the list asking for Feedback on the Ocelot Release Party.... I'm thinking waiting a week or two after the 13th might be good
[17:59] <bkerensa> It would help me out too because I'm still working to get stuff ready like t-shirts
[17:59] <bkerensa> and food
[17:59] <tgm4883> bkerensa, yea that might be better
[17:59] <bkerensa> BTW!
[17:59] <tgm4883> at least doing it the weekend after, not during the week
[17:59] <bkerensa> IF ANYONE IS GOOD AT THE GIMP AND WANTS TO HELP DESIGN SHIRTS LET ME KNOW
[17:59] <bkerensa> :P
[17:59] <bkerensa> Eucalyptus will be sponsoring our t-shirts
[18:00] <tgm4883> bkerensa, you might want to be a little more specific
[18:00]  * bkerensa is still looking for a food/snack sponsor
[18:00] <bkerensa> tgm4883: More specific?
[18:00] <bkerensa> :D
 IF ANYONE IS GOOD AT THE GNU Image Manipulation Program AND WANTS TO HELP DESIGN SHIRTS LET ME KNOW
[18:00] <tgm4883> fixed
[18:00] <bkerensa> :P
[18:01] <tgm4883> cause you could get a lot of unwanted help from people good at the gimp
[18:03] <bkerensa> nathwill: How do I launch TweetDeck on CB? :)
[18:35] <nathwill> tweetdeck?
[18:35] <nathwill> isn't that an adobe air app?
[18:36] <nathwill> ^bkerensa
[18:36] <bkerensa> nathwill: Yeah
[18:36] <bkerensa> =/
[18:39] <nathwill> so ya just need to install adobe air and then install tweetdeck
[18:39] <bkerensa> I have
[18:39] <nathwill> ok
[18:39] <bkerensa> but how do I make it launch from menu.xml
[18:39] <bkerensa> ;)
[18:39] <nathwill> ah
[18:39] <nathwill> what command do you use to launch it at cli?
[18:41] <nathwill> i don't really know much about adobe air
[18:42] <bkerensa> I have no idea
[18:42] <bkerensa> :P
[18:42] <nathwill> i think you just put in the command for adobe-air with the application as parameter $1
[18:43] <nathwill> hrm
[18:43] <nathwill> google is not helpful in this regard
[18:43] <bkerensa> yeah
[18:43] <bkerensa> --> /opt/TweetDeck/bin/TweetDeck
[18:43] <bkerensa> should be command
[18:43] <nathwill> hrm
[18:43] <bkerensa> but tweetdeck went somewhere weird on CB
[18:44] <bkerensa> and I cannot find it
[18:44] <bkerensa> =o
[18:44] <nathwill> whereis TweetDeck ?
[18:44] <bkerensa> nothing
[18:44] <bkerensa> LOL
[18:44] <nathwill> which?
[18:44] <bkerensa> WAIT
[18:44] <bkerensa> oooooo
[18:44] <nathwill> which TweetDeck?
[18:44] <nathwill> eh?
[18:44] <bkerensa> I installed it on my laptop
[18:44] <bkerensa> not on my desktop yet
[18:44] <bkerensa> =o
[18:44] <nathwill> ROFL
[18:44] <nathwill> excellent
[18:44] <nathwill> so you installed CB on multiple pc's? :D
[18:44] <nathwill> woo hoo!
[18:45] <bkerensa> umm yeah
[18:45] <bkerensa> shh
[18:45] <bkerensa> :P
[18:45] <nathwill> pffft.
[18:45] <bkerensa> dont want the Canonical overlords to hear about that
[18:45] <bkerensa> :D
[18:46] <nathwill> well, you see... it's really Ubuntu w/ Openbox... you see... *cough*
[19:02] <thefinn93> https://imgur.com/ffUjp
[19:02] <thefinn93> Looks like it's gonna be cloudy with a chance of Debian
[19:05] <nathwill> lol
[19:13] <nathwill> http://edos.debian.net/weather/
[19:14] <bkerensa> nathwill: icedove is weak sauce
[19:14] <nathwill> it's... the same as thunderbird dude
[19:15] <bkerensa> nathwill: Thats a negative ghost rider :P
[19:15] <bkerensa> Its not syncing my Gapps labels
[19:16] <nathwill> pfft
[19:16] <nathwill> no comment
[19:16] <bkerensa> :P
[19:16] <bkerensa> why cause you run your own mailserver ?
[19:16] <bkerensa> :P
[19:17] <nathwill> yep
[19:18] <bkerensa> :P
[19:18] <bkerensa> and what happens if Linode has an outage?
[19:18] <bkerensa> :D
[19:19] <bkerensa> you lose mail :P
[19:24] <nathwill> never happened yet
[19:24] <nathwill> lol
[19:24] <nathwill> and besides... that issue exists with all service providers
[19:29] <bkerensa> I had three outages in under a year with Linode
[19:29] <bkerensa> :D
[19:30] <bkerensa> Now mind you that was outages
[19:30] <bkerensa> sometimes the entire host machine would somehow mysteriously lock up
[19:30] <bkerensa> :D
[19:30] <bkerensa> which they did not consider an outage
[19:31] <nathwill> where were you located?
[19:31] <bkerensa> Even Linode's major fanboys dont suggest using a Linode for e-mail
[19:31] <bkerensa> UK and Fremont
[19:31] <nathwill> hrm
[19:31] <bkerensa> Fremont has a DC wide outage
[19:31] <nathwill> i was in Fremont
[19:31] <nathwill> weird
[19:31] <bkerensa> and UK had issues
[19:31] <bkerensa> yeah
[19:31] <nathwill> still am in fremont
[19:31] <bkerensa> Yeah oddly only half their host machines went down
[19:31] <bkerensa> :P
[19:31] <bkerensa> Linode doesnt explain much
[19:31] <bkerensa> they did say it was DC wide but somehow it didnt effect all their boxes
[19:32] <bkerensa> :P
[19:33] <bkerensa> nathwill: http://status.linode.com/
[19:34] <bkerensa> Your lucky
[19:34] <bkerensa> Fremont has issues a lot
[19:35] <bkerensa> I got downtime in Nov, May and Aug just in Fremont
[19:35] <bkerensa> :D
[19:35] <nathwill> yeah, that's weird
[19:35] <bkerensa> I guess its better then the DC getting robber or exploding
[19:35] <bkerensa> :P
[19:35] <bkerensa> ThePlanet had a DC explosion
[19:35] <bkerensa> and their was a DC in chicago that got robbed
[19:36] <nathwill> that's really cool
[19:36] <bkerensa> http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2007/11/04/armed-robbery-at-chicago-data-center/
[19:39] <nathwill> cut through an exterior wall... lmao
[19:41] <bkerensa> LOL
[19:43] <nathwill> http://schlem.deviantart.com/#/d3h7w7q
[19:43] <nathwill> i'm going to start slapping these everywhere
[19:55] <bkerensa> slapping them everywhere? As in make stickers?
[19:59] <bkerensa> People who put price as $2 on CL for servers make me so mad
[19:59] <bkerensa> :P
[20:23] <c_smith> hello, got down to Fry's this morning, found out my original price range wouldn't cut it for the type of PC I want to build: a gaming PC.
[20:24] <c_smith> $800-$900 is what I should be aiming for, not $500 with $200 as a cushion.
[20:28] <bkerensa> -o
[20:41] <c_smith> ayup, gonna be closer to Christmas when I get the money for it, possibly in January.
[20:42] <c_smith> bkerensa, if possible, I'd like to run the parts list by ya and get your take on them.
[21:22] <bkerensa> sure send it in pm
[21:24] <c_smith> ok
[22:01] <c_smith> any luck on a space for the release party?
[22:10] <bkerensa> still waiting
[22:10] <bkerensa> these kinds of things take a month or so to setup
[22:10] <bkerensa> and its still convention season
[22:12] <bkerensa> PuppetLabs on the 13th was kind of a best bet consider location, space, amenities since people want a weekend I have no idea
[22:12] <bkerensa> Some UG's pay a couple hundred a month just to have a place to do meetings
[22:12] <bkerensa> like Nedspace membership
[22:25] <bkerensa> :D
[22:25] <bkerensa> Damn my site loads fast
[22:25] <bkerensa> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0Ke4LL0hIc
[22:25] <bkerensa> My page load times embarrass sites like AOL or Engadget
[22:25] <bkerensa> :P
[22:37] <bkerensa> Brian_H: Much props you guys have a fast site
[22:37] <Brian_H> sweet :)
[22:38] <bkerensa> Brian_H: Faster than Ubuntu.com or Redhat.com
[22:38] <bkerensa> :D
[22:38] <bkerensa> 4.3 second load time
[22:38] <c_smith> I bet.
[22:39] <bkerensa> Ubuntu.com 7 seconds and Redhat 6.7
[22:39] <bkerensa> :D
[22:39] <Brian_H> not for long we are working on a revamp lol
[22:39] <bkerensa> LOL
[22:39] <bkerensa> You use a CMS platform?
[22:39] <Brian_H> yea we will be using joomla
[22:41] <c_smith> has anyone heard Dave-SB's version of Toccata and Fugue? pretty sick
[22:47] <bkerensa> Brian_H: WHAT???
[22:47] <bkerensa> =o
[22:47] <bkerensa> Serious?
[22:47] <Brian_H> yea for what we are doing its a better solution than the alternatives that were presented
[22:47] <bkerensa> Joomla is like the most insecure CMS platform their is though
[22:47] <bkerensa> :P
[22:48] <bkerensa> Harvard used Joomla until they got hacked
[22:48] <bkerensa> :P
[22:49] <Brian_H> doh
[22:49] <bkerensa> :P
[22:49] <Brian_H> I'll have to tell the admins to lock it down
[22:49] <bkerensa> yeah :)
[22:49] <bkerensa> a lot of modifications :D
[22:50] <bkerensa> atleast you didnt say "Were moving to PHPNuke"
[22:50] <bkerensa> :D
[22:50] <Brian_H> hahaha this is very true
[22:51] <c_smith> what is PHPnuke and why is it so bad?
[22:52] <bkerensa> its a very old php based portal software :P
[22:53] <bkerensa> imho the top three most insecure CMS platforms are PHPNuke, Joomla and Typo3
[22:53] <bkerensa> :D
[22:53] <Brian_H> oh good, firefox 7 is out, was wondering when they were going to replace 6.02 ... it was getting quite old
[22:53] <bkerensa> yeah
[22:53] <bkerensa> ?
[22:53] <bkerensa> Im still hoping FF makes major improvements in speed
[22:53] <bkerensa> :D
[22:53] <Brian_H> well yea 6.0.2 is like what a week old? I mean comon! talk about a long release cycle
[22:53] <c_smith> so the FF 7 update finally made it to the Update servers?
[22:54] <Brian_H> oh not yet
[22:54] <bkerensa> probably in a few hours
[22:54] <Brian_H> not really looking forward to it breaking all my addons again lol
[22:54] <c_smith> might as well check.... wonder if there's a way to check the build status.
[23:16] <nathwill> and the award for the most secure cms platform goes tooo.... jekyll!
[23:19] <c_smith> what about Mr. Hyde?
[23:25] <nathwill> octopress?
[23:26] <nathwill> well... i guess that wouldn't really work
[23:26] <nathwill> cuz octopress is the more dapper of the two


[05:17] <twb> When network installing 8.04 onto a blank virtual (qemu) disk, I keep getting the following error:
[05:17] <twb> The target file system contains files from a past installation. These files could cause problems with the installation process, and if you proceed, some of the existing files may be overwritten. Proceed with installation to unclean target?
[05:18] <twb> I'd like to understand why this is happening, and how to stop it.
[05:18] <twb> (This netinst is obviously done with d-i, not ubiquity.)
[13:23] <tjaalton> cjwatson: the twoliner patch for grub made multipath work, whee :)
[13:34] <CIA-5> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1014 ubuntu/debian/changelog: No-change rebuild to pick up new components (udev, hw-detect).
[14:02] <tjaalton> cjwatson_: the installer will still ask for module options even if disk-detect.sh has '|| true' appended after module_probe. happens now four times if multipath is used (since they all are built in)
[14:05] <tjaalton> cjwatson_: oh, the latest version might be different
[14:06] <cjwatson> hm, that's true
[14:18] <cjwatson> tjaalton: working on it
[14:19] <tjaalton> cjwatson: ok thanks, it's just a minor nuisance but it interrupts the installer ;)
[14:24] <cjwatson> annoyingly I can't find any other way to tell whether dm-round-robin is loaded
[14:39] <CIA-5> hw-detect: cjwatson * r104 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog disk-detect.sh):
[14:39] <CIA-5> hw-detect: Improve checks for dm-* drivers being present to avoid relying on them
[14:39] <CIA-5> hw-detect: being built as modules.
[14:39] <cjwatson> untested but I hope that'll work
[14:41] <CIA-5> hw-detect: cjwatson * r105 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.71ubuntu3
[14:46] <tjaalton> I might be able to test it tomorrow
[14:51] <cjwatson> I'll upload d-i to include that at some point later today
[17:17] <CIA-5> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1015 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20081029ubuntu8


[06:42] <sagaci> daily isos for precise seem to be generating
[06:54] <head_victim> blahdeblah: I just hit the update cron last night, sorry that was probably my bad
[06:55] <head_victim> sagaci: I've had 12.04 running in a VM since 11.10 was released :P
[06:55] <head_victim> blahdeblah: doesn't appear to be running automatically. BUT they are currently working on the upgrade to drupal 6 finally (or so the email I got says)
[06:55] <sagaci> I prefer to take it from a fresh start, ala on my main laptop :)
[06:56] <head_victim> It was a fresh start, I only installed 11.10 in the VM so I can update the sources.list to precise ;)
[06:56] <blahdeblah> head_victim: I thought i added a cron hit to my server a while back
[06:56] <head_victim> blahdeblah: hadn't run in several hundred days according to the admin bit when I looked at it so thought I'd do a manual and see what happened
[06:57] <blahdeblah> when i get a chance, i'll add it to my list so it gets hit regularly
[06:57] <head_victim> I'd hold up, in case it needs to be changed when they do this update
[06:58] <head_victim> The only things we need the website for that loco.u.c can't do is the news feed on the main page, an about us page, a contact us page and the planet.
[06:59] <sagaci> head_victim: did you end up getting that mechanical keyboard?
[06:59] <head_victim> The calendar and stuff we should really shut off unless it can pull an RSS feed off the loco.u.c but I'm holding off making too many decisions and thoughts until I see what it looks like done.
[06:59] <head_victim> sagaci: nah got a cherry linux. When i started down the mechanical keyboard slope it quickly got prices out of my market.
[06:59] <head_victim> The only mechanical keyboard I ended up wanting was one of the Decks.
[07:00] <sagaci> what's a cherry linux
[07:00] <head_victim> Cheery Cymotion Master Linux keyboard, has linux logos instead of windows, etc.
[07:02] <sagaci> oh ok
[07:02] <sagaci> like 100 bucks or something
[07:02] <head_victim> Sent you a link in pm so I didn't spam the channel
[07:02] <head_victim> I g+'d it
[07:03] <sagaci> was it compatible, like keymapped, with ubuntu out of the box
[07:03] <sagaci> USB?
[07:03] <head_victim> Yep
[07:03] <sagaci> are you going to LCA?
[07:06] <head_victim> Nah can't afford it.
[07:07] <sagaci> I've got a wedding to go to in QLd then a similar thing at sydney the week before and after, respectively
[07:08] <head_victim> We're looking at running the installation fest on the 7th or 8th if that coincides iwth the wedding ;)
[07:11] <sagaci> it's in mackay, which is the 14th, a day before the sunday before
[07:11] <head_victim> Ah, not quite the right part of Qld then or the right time :)
[07:12] <sagaci> the daily looks bootabl
[07:13] <head_victim> I've not had any real issues yet but it is going to be an LTS so I'm not expecting huge dramas.
[07:14] <sagaci> nah they seem to want it stable for most uses by alpha1+a week
[07:14] <sagaci> whether that will happen will need to be seen
[07:21] <sagaci> head_victim: were you meant to send that to the list
[07:21] <head_victim> Which one?
[07:21] <sagaci> don't worry, I just got an email about it
[07:22] <sagaci> at first it seemed like it was from the ubuntu-au list
[07:23] <head_victim> I'm lost :)
[07:23] <sagaci> never mind
[07:23] <sagaci> :)
[07:26] <head_victim> blahdeblah: in talks with the Canonical folk about the upgrade. Other than theming to the new look and adding openid login (via launchpad) is there any major advancement's you would be looking fore?
[07:36] <head_victim> WB
[07:42] <head_victim> If anyone knows of a drupal module that will allow an ical feed into some sort of read only calendar sing out
[09:32] <airtonix> head_victim: tried using views ?
[10:00] <head_victim> airtonix: no idea what that even is :)
[10:01] <airtonix> head_victim: what version of drupal are you using
[10:01] <head_victim> It's been decided to focus on core components first to get it going. The ubuntu.org.au is moving from 5 to 6
[10:01] <airtonix> then it's understandable that you don't know
[10:01] <head_victim> So they're going to set up openid login and the ubuntu theme
[10:01] <airtonix> views is a default component of 7
[10:01] <airtonix> and to be honest
[10:01] <head_victim> Well there you go :)
[10:01] <airtonix> anyone running a version less than 6 is asking to be hacked
[10:02] <head_victim> If you can find a ubuntu theme for drupal 7 I'm happy to ask we go straight to that.
[10:02] <airtonix> i wouldn't
[10:02] <airtonix> not yet anyway
[10:02] <airtonix> v6 is the happy medium ground
[10:02] <airtonix> all the usefull addons aren't properly migrated to v7 yet
[10:03] <airtonix> but then v7 is great out of the box as is
[10:03] <airtonix> content creation kit is core in 7
[10:03] <airtonix> as is views
[10:03] <head_victim> Ok good to know. I personally know nothing about drupal except point and click admin after it's set up (even then there isa lot of trial and error)
[10:03] <airtonix> yeah i spent alot of time in drupal
[10:03] <airtonix> coding, theming, and admin
[10:04] <airtonix> i was waiting for the module: Panels to move to v7 but then i discovered Django
[10:04] <airtonix> now i don'
[10:04] <airtonix> don't care about anything php
[10:04] <head_victim> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-drupal-theme is the project we're going to borrow the themes from.
[10:05] <head_victim> Details also at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDrupal
[10:05] <head_victim> THe main move for the update was so we can theme the website with current Ubuntu branding instead of the old school browns.
[10:05] <airtonix> yeah that won't work for v7
[10:05] <airtonix> v7 theming is more streamline than it was for 6
[10:06] <head_victim> I've made a request for openid logins as well so it's not another account you need to make.
[10:06] <airtonix> good idea
[10:06] <head_victim> Lowering the bar for contributions is a good thing.
[10:06] <airtonix> consider "not hosting comments" too
[10:06] <airtonix> let disqus or facebook do it
[10:06] <airtonix> disquss preferrably
[10:07] <head_victim> Tempting. Leave it as a news feed, planet, about us and contact us and to the rest elsewher4e
[10:07] <head_victim> We already have a large-ish fb account so that seems appropriate.
[10:07] <airtonix> yeah the point is that someone else handles the bandwidth for spam and all that
[10:08] <head_victim> Yeah, the team website is hosted by Canonical.
[10:08] <airtonix> and more people can contribute too
[10:08] <airtonix> no its not a case of bandwidth cost
[10:08] <airtonix> it's a case of speed
[10:08] <head_victim> Saving them both is a good thing, means they can use the bandwidth elsewhere and we get quicker loads.
[10:08] <airtonix> all coming from the one server... you'd wanna hope your server and it's pipe is freakn awesomesauce
[10:09] <airtonix> but that's beyond the scope of something like ubuntuau ?
[10:09] <airtonix> it's not really going to be intense bandwidth usage?
[10:10] <head_victim> The main thing is if we host it ourselves and the person providing the hosting goes awol (which does happen even with the best of intentions) we're stuck. Having Canonical host it means the team will ALWAYS have access to it.
[10:10] <head_victim> There is no major bandwidth use from my knowledge but I don't see the stats.
[10:11] <head_victim> I just know the user list is out of control with spam users so the idea of open id authorisation sounds pretty nice.
[10:13] <head_victim> Hmmm https://code.launchpad.net/~michealh/ubuntu-drupal-theme/7.x
[10:15] <head_victim> Anyway, I'll bbl. Gotta head off for a bit. Feel free to chime in suggestions on the ML if you want everyone to see/consider it. Or just leave messages in here. I read scrollbacks, probably a little too much.
[11:22] <jaddi27> head_victim, I saw your email about the website upgrade
[11:24] <head_victim> jaddi27: happy days :)
[11:24] <jaddi27> Yes, certainly. One thing we might want to do is display the calendar data from l.u.c on the website
[11:25] <head_victim> I was debating just a button that links to the meetings and events list or if we should ical feed it in
[11:26] <jaddi27> Yes, I am not entirely sure what is best. My thought was that if we can have the events listed on the website, it might lead to more people seeing them
[11:27] <jaddi27> I know quite a few people don't like having to follow lots of links to get information
[11:28] <head_victim> Ok, basically the Canonical person said they'd focus on the core of the upgrade first and this can be added later. mainly because I didn't have the info on hand. If you know a drupal module that will do it let me know and we'll suggest it
[11:31] <jaddi27> Ok. I will try to get a demo working in a couple of weeks, after my exams are finished
[11:31] <jaddi27> At least we are getting a theme upgrade
[11:31] <head_victim> jaddi27: also - http://www.facebook.com/apps/application.php?v=info&id=164414672850
[11:31] <head_victim> jaddi27: as for the drupal module, they will test and install it if they know what one "works"
[11:32] <jaddi27> The facebook app - I started using it a while ago,but it didn't actually do everything I wanted
[11:33] <head_victim> Ah ok, I wasn't sure if that was the one you tried or not
[11:33] <head_victim> I just found it googling about
[11:33] <jaddi27> The main thing is that creating group events will invite everyone in the group to the event, whereas that application does not do that at the moment
[11:33] <jaddi27> I will keep watching it to see if they have any updates
[11:35] <head_victim> http://drupal.org/project/gcal_events is looking something like what we'd want on the website.
[11:38] <jaddi27> The only issue with that is that it must be a google calendar feed, not an ics feed
[11:40] <head_victim> Hmm might wait for the upgrade, maybe built into 6.x
[11:41] <jaddi27> no, it isn't unfortunately
[11:42] <jaddi27> We might be able to use that module by importing using the XML link for the calendar in Google Calendar
[11:43] <head_victim> http://www.drupalove.com/drupal-video/ical-events-nodes watching that now
[11:43] <jaddi27> Does your google calendar show the upcoming Translations meeting at the correct time? Mine shows it at 4pm on Friday
[11:43] <head_victim> Yeah there's a bug for that hang on I'll link
[11:44] <jaddi27> ok
[11:44] <head_victim> Bug 786322
[11:44] <head_victim> That's it I think
[11:50] <jaddi27> Ok. Thanks for that link
[11:51] <head_victim> I thought it was daylight savings issues but doesn't appear to be
[11:52] <jaddi27> No, it is in the formatting of the ical file
[11:52] <jaddi27> I think it is a similar issue to what we had in Thunderbird a while ago
[11:53] <head_victim> Regressions with the update that happened recently?
[11:55] <jaddi27> I think the update might not be correctly done
[11:55] <jaddi27> I have a feeling there was an issue where the timezone was incorrectly defined or something
[11:56] <head_victim> Ah ok, I wasn't using the ical last time this happened I don't think
[11:56] <jaddi27> Ok
[11:57] <jaddi27> The ical shows the event as starting at 0600 on 2011-11-05 UTC
[11:57] <jaddi27> (that is the translations meeting)
[11:57] <head_victim> And that is wrong, should be 0800 :/
[11:57] <jaddi27> yes
[11:58] <jaddi27> the timezone data is alright - set to UTC, which is the easiest way to do it
[11:58] <jaddi27> but when it is generating the ical file, it is not making the correct times
[12:00] <jaddi27> I think the drupal modules http://drupal.org/project/date and http://drupal.org/project/calendar will do the ics work we want
[12:00] <head_victim> So it's got to do with the ical generation on the loco.u.c end
[12:00] <jaddi27> but I have not tried it yet
[12:00] <jaddi27> I think it is, yes
[12:00] <head_victim> That's ok I can make the suggestions to the admin doing the update and see if they have time after the core upgrade.
[12:01] <jaddi27> Ok, that would be great
[12:01] <jaddi27> I think the timezone implementation for l.u.c needs to be changed
[12:01] <head_victim> Well add comments to the bug :) Doing the troubleshooting for them to that level might help prod them to fix the regression :)
[12:02] <jaddi27> A team can set a default timezone, but users can also set a timezone, and all pages they visit will have events shown in that timezone
[12:02] <jaddi27> Yes, that sounds good
[12:02] <jaddi27> Oh, my last comment meant that is what I think they should do, not what can already be done
[12:05] <head_victim> Nah I think events should be set at a specific date and time with mention of what tz it's in. If you import an ical it should auto convert to whatever tz you've specified.
[12:05] <head_victim> Too confusing otherwise.
[12:07] <jaddi27> Yes, that could be done
[12:08] <jaddi27> I think all data should be stored in UTC in the database - all of the timezone conversion is done on the fly using PyTz (I looked that much up, but couldn't understand where the rest of the code was)
[12:36] <head_victim> jaddi27: the website modules have been passed on :)
[12:36] <head_victim> Well I'm off for the night, cheerio
[12:37] <jaddi27> thanks for that. speak to you later


[22:04] <Guest42> Hello. Is there a way to control / enforce order of interfaces generated by netplan ?  I am referring to intenger id listed from "ip a" shell command. It seems to randomly order 802.11q vlan interfaces, not taking into account id, name or anything else.
[22:07] <Guest42> #5, 6, 7  alternate in order by 'chance' ? is there way to control it to be consistent ?
[22:07] <Guest42> 1: lo
[22:07] <Guest42> 2: enp1s0f0
[22:07] <Guest42> 3: enp1s0f1
[22:07] <Guest42> 4: bond0
[22:07] <Guest42> 5: bond0.4@bond0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP>
[22:07] <Guest42> 6: bond0.2@bond0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP>
[22:07] <Guest42> 7: bond0.3@bond0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP>