[04:49] <pitti> Good morning
[05:16] <larsu> hi pitti!
[05:16] <pitti> hey larsu, wie gehts?
[05:16] <larsu> gut, und dir?
[05:16]  * larsu can't stop hacking
[05:19] <pitti> larsu: prima, danke
[07:42] <dholbach> hiya
[07:42] <dholbach> I don't know what the plan is WRT gnome 3.7 - how do you feel about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-monitor/+bug/1130956?
[07:42] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1130956 in gnome-system-monitor (Ubuntu) "Update gnome-system-monitor to 3.7.90" [Undecided,New]
[08:09] <jibel> good morning
[08:10] <highvoltage> morning jibel
[08:10] <jibel> Hey  highvoltage
[08:50] <m4n1sh> mvo: can you please have a look at the merge req in your free time
[09:33] <seb128> hey desktopers
[09:34] <Sweetsha1k> seb128: ho
[09:34] <seb128> Sweetsha1k, where are ... oh, other side of the table
[09:34] <seb128> got it
[09:34] <chrisccoulson> lol
[09:35] <chrisccoulson> seb128, how come i always end up with you sat next to me? ;)
[09:35] <seb128> Laney, btw ricotz pointed at http://git.gnome.org/browse/pango/patch/?id=6ee53b4e4567b4d7f2b8799d00ecea223ab4b28f to fix linking issues with the new pango
[09:35] <seb128> chrisccoulson, oh, I didn't see you
[09:35] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey
[09:35] <Sweetsha1k> seb128: really?
[09:35] <chrisccoulson> hi!
[09:35]  * Sweetsha1k looks up.
[09:35] <Sweetsha1k> seb128: true dat.
[09:35] <Sweetsha1k> amazing
[09:36] <chrisccoulson> mterry, what was that? sorry, i didn't hear ;)
[09:36] <mterry> :)
[09:36] <seb128> chrisccoulson, firefox failed to build in the ppa it seems
[09:36] <seb128> did you notice?
[09:36] <chrisccoulson> seb128, WHICH PPA?
[09:36] <seb128> YOUR PPA
[09:36] <seb128> DUDE
[09:36] <chrisccoulson> hah
[09:36] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[09:37]  * ogra_ shades his ears ...
[09:38] <Sweetsha1k> mterry: we should finally switch from UDP to TCP for voice so that such communication fails dont happen
[09:38] <Sweetsha1k> chrisccoulson: ^^
[09:38] <chrisccoulson> lol
[09:38] <mterry> Sweetsha1k, :)
[09:39] <chrisccoulson> hi ogra_. i bet you wish you were sat here next to seb128 too!
[09:39] <ogra_> did he shout in RL as well ?
[09:39] <Sweetsha1k> ogra_: you dont wanna know about RL
[09:39] <chrisccoulson> ogra_, YES
[09:39] <Sweetsha1k> ogra_: scary stuff
[09:39] <seb128> STEAK
[09:39] <ogra_> managers ... tsk
[09:39] <ogra_> LOL
[09:44] <RAOF> desrt: What's up?
[09:44] <RAOF> desrt: I'm driving the projector, but I can spare some cycles.
[09:47] <desrt> RAOF: weird trackpad issue
[09:47] <desrt> RAOF: i sum it up here: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=694343
[09:47] <ubot2> Gnome bug 694343 in mouse ""disable touchpad" doesn't completely disable touchpad" [Normal,Needinfo]
[09:50] <RAOF> Wooo!
[09:50] <desrt> neat bug, eh? :)
[09:52] <RAOF> Yeah.
[09:54] <RAOF> desrt: So, synaptics has *two* ways to disable it - there's device-enabled and synaptics-off.
[09:54] <RAOF> Hysterical raisins.
[09:55] <desrt> lemme guess which one *syn*daemon uses....
[09:55] <RAOF> Ding!
[09:55] <desrt> RAOF: can you put that info in the bug?
[09:55] <Laney> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1698083/
[09:55] <desrt> Laney: that's some nice looking code!
[09:55] <Laney> the stroke of genius is evident
[09:56] <desrt> the sort of genius that causes one to think that the best thing to do before creating a thread is to instruct the kernel to not allow us to create threads
[10:05] <Laney> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1698116/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/1698110/
[10:20] <Laney> hmm
[10:21] <Laney> when / how often / how soon are autopkgtests run after upload?
[10:22] <Laney> for the record - didier answered me irl: scanned every 15 mins
[10:24] <desrt> Laney: "i believe that the internet is real"
[10:28] <Sweetsha1k> desrt: the cake is a lie
[10:46] <TheMuso> OOOOI/c
[10:53] <dholbach> asking again since now more poeple are up: I don't know what the plan is WRT gnome 3.7 - how do you feel about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-monitor/+bug/1130956?
[10:53] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1130956 in gnome-system-monitor (Ubuntu) "Update gnome-system-monitor to 3.7.90" [Wishlist,New]
[10:57] <desrt> dholbach: that's a pretty low criticality component...
[10:57] <desrt> dholbach: do you know about gnome3-staging?
[10:58] <desrt> dholbach: they have gnome-system-monitor 3.7 in their PPA
[10:58] <dholbach> ah, just saw pitti's comment
[10:58] <dholbach> desrt, no, no idea about the ppa
[10:58] <pitti> yeah, just discussed in #u-devel
[10:58] <desrt> desktop team will probably sync things out of this PPA
[10:58] <pitti> I'm sponsoring
[10:59] <desrt> pitti: 3.7 ALL the things!
[10:59] <desrt> seb looks unhappy :p
[10:59] <desrt> jdstrand: around?
[11:45] <didrocks_on_pidg> hum, interesting… at least it works
[11:45] <didrocks_on_pidg> for some definition of working :p
[11:45] <ogra_> well, it gives you a weird nick
[11:45] <ogra_> :P
[11:46] <didrocks> ogra_: it was _on_pidgin_and_crying :)
[11:46] <ogra_> haha
[11:47] <didrocks> ogra_: I doubted for one second to upload the patch. People using IRC on pidgin doesn't even deserve the patch :p
[11:47] <Laney> _with_happiness
[11:47] <Laney> _at_how_beautiful_an_irc_experience_can_be
[11:47] <ogra_> didrocks, ++
[11:48] <didrocks> :)
[12:51] <notgary> What are all the different lists of work items that someone could work on if they wanted to help out with packaging during the global jam?
[12:51] <notgary> I've got: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/versions.html
[12:51] <notgary> and
[12:51] <notgary> http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~lucas/merges.html
[12:51] <notgary> and was wondering if there were any others I could like to
[12:57] <notgary> I've also got a lit of build failures reported by Jenkins http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs/
[13:17] <Laney> pitti: could it be that the new gobject-introspection makes things ftbfs like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1698884/ ?
[13:21] <Laney> http://btlondon2012.co.uk/pano.html?view.hlookat=-28.0528&view.vlookat=2.5688&view.fov=4.7186&imarkerath=-28.0528&imarkeratv=2.5688
[13:21] <Laney> o hai blue fin
[13:28] <Sweetsha1k> Laney: Icanhazcheeseburger?
[13:28] <Sweetsha1k> Laney: oh wait, I just had one.
[13:29] <Laney> yum yum
[13:31] <Sweetsha1k> isnt that nomnomnom?
[13:31]  * Sweetsha1k needs to retrain his lolcode ...
[13:33] <pitti> Laney: yeah, most likely; there have been some changes in that area
[13:33] <pitti> Laney: all the examples have <instance-parameter> wrapped in a <parameter> tag
[13:41] <Laney> pitti: The examples in g-i you mean? I see <parameters> <instance-parameter …> … </parameters> in both
[13:41] <pitti> right, forgot the 's', sorry
[13:43] <xnox> cyphermox: are in you in BlueFin?
[13:43] <Laney> hmm, so I don't see the difference
[13:43] <Laney> looking in tests in g-i
[13:49] <pitti> Laney: I was looking at commit d1ac20f7920
[13:49] <pitti> and 9c0bd59b02
[14:08] <mitya57> hi, can anybody please look at / sponsor lp:~mitya57/gnome-system-monitor/lp1110498 ?
[14:10] <Laney> you should propose a merge and get it on the sponsor list
[14:10] <pitti> mitya57: we just got g-s-m 3.7.90 into raring
[14:10] <pitti> mitya57: so I'm pretty sure that this is not relevant any more
[14:11] <pitti> mitya57: indeed, verified; closing
[14:11] <mitya57> pitti: oops, didn't notice that (my branch is two days old) :)
[14:11] <pitti> mitya57: yeah, the one I sponsored two hours ago or so was from today; sorry
[14:12] <Laney> hmm, so there's http://git.gnome.org/browse/vala/commit/?id=9cd5d1d5eb8bdeecfcf544971b6a9f4c20718f80
[14:12] <Laney> but not for start
[14:13] <pitti> Laney: would it actually be desirable to silently discard broken elements instead of failing on them?
[14:13] <Laney> ah: http://git.gnome.org/browse/vala/commit/?id=c755bb4bd3b078363193ea41495e4c9f2782a9d8
[14:13] <mitya57> Laney: how can I make a merge against ubuntu-desktop branch show up there?
[14:13] <Laney> no, it needs to explicitly ignore the ones it wants to
[14:13] <Laney> like this
[14:14] <pitti> Laney: ah, so we need to backport that vala patch?
[14:14] <Laney> seems so
[14:14]  * Laney does
[14:19] <desrt> jbicha: we can talk here too
[14:19] <Laney> kinky
[14:20] <desrt> O_o
[14:23] <jbicha> desrt: in front of all these people?!
[14:24] <pitti> what on earth are you guys doing!?
[14:25]  * larsu doesn't want to know
[14:27] <desrt> jbicha: gnome-shell actually has a direct depend on gconf as well
[14:27] <desrt> presumably because a .convert file is installed
[14:27] <desrt> i think it's probably safe to not have that as a depend
[14:28] <Laney> pitti: haha, you already sponsored that for ricotz in -0.18
[14:29] <pitti> Laney: ah, that's still using 16?
[14:29] <Laney> yeah
[14:29] <Laney> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/130734937/vala-0.18_0.18.1-0ubuntu3_0.18.1-0ubuntu4.diff.gz
[14:29] <jbicha> desrt: maybe, how do we handle upgrades though?
[14:29] <jbicha> desrt: you're using gnome-terminal 3.7?
[14:32] <desrt> yup
[14:35] <jbicha> anyone want to sponsor https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/vte/ubuntu-vte3 ?
[14:35] <mlankhorst> would be better to ask in ubuntu-devel?
[14:36] <jbicha> desrt: let me know if you figure out how to get new tabs to keep the same working directory ^ that fix is a prerequisite
[14:37] <desrt> oh ya.  that's sort of been annoying me a lot.
[14:38] <jbicha> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-terminal/tree/NEWS#n12 but I couldn't get it to work
[14:39] <jbicha> pitti: are you still patch piloting?
[14:39] <pitti> jbicha: yes
[14:40] <jbicha> pitti: cool, can you look at vte3? ^
[14:44] <pitti> jbicha: hm, this really needs to run in each and every shell we are running? what does it do?
[14:45] <pitti> jbicha: i. e. how does __vte_ps1() actually get used?
[14:47] <jbicha> http://git.gnome.org/browse/vte/tree/src/vte.sh?h=vte-0-34
[14:47] <jbicha> and it's needed for gnome-terminal 3.7
[14:48] <jbicha> http://git.gnome.org/browse/vte/commit/?h=vte-0-34&id=2975562
[14:50] <marga> So, I'm trying to figure out a sound bug, and there's one thing that's driving me crazy.  If I open gnome-control-center sound from unity, it shows a completely different window than if I open it from cinnamon
[14:50] <marga> from unity, there's no hardware tab
[14:51] <marga> and the contents of the tabs are different
[14:52] <marga> and, when I connect my usb headphones, I get no sound.
[14:55] <pitti> jbicha: uploaded, thanks
[15:11] <TheMuso> marga: yes I believe we show a different UI depending on the desktop shell used.
[15:11] <jdstrand> infinity: can you kill these: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+archive/ppa/+build/4317384 https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+archive/ppa/+build/4317385
[15:12] <jdstrand> whoops
[15:12] <jdstrand> infinity: asked in #ubuntu-release (where I meant to ask)
[15:18] <pitti> jdstrand: I don't think he can; you need to ask vanguard in #is
[15:18] <jdstrand> interesting
[15:18] <jdstrand> pitti: ok, thanks
[15:39] <Laney> hi mlankhorst
[15:39] <mlankhorst> g'day
[15:39] <Laney> NO
[15:41] <czajkowski> random 13.04 desktop question, on start up, when you get to the login screen, type in password. why does the user name and name of machine become highlighed?
[15:49] <seb128> czajkowski, they do?
[15:49] <czajkowski> they do
[15:49] <czajkowski> each and every time
[15:49] <czajkowski> it's very odd
[15:49] <czajkowski> but not as odd as the other issue I get where  it boots up and looks black
[15:49] <czajkowski> but if I hite the contrast button there is my login screen
[15:50] <czajkowski> but that only happens every 3/4th time
[16:02] <TheMuso> czajkowski: Your audio issue should be resolved now as of the latest pulse update.
[16:02] <czajkowski> whoo
[16:02] <czajkowski> TheMuso: at least I wasnt imagining it :)
[16:06] <mterry> seb128, chrisccoulson: bug 1049046 is what you were talking about?
[16:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1049046 in update-manager (Ubuntu Quantal) "Software updater stops complete update if only one source cannot be found" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1049046
[16:06] <chrisccoulson> mterry, yeah, that's the one. thanks
[16:34] <qengho> chrisccoulson: https://code.launchpad.net/~cmiller/chromium-browser/ppa-chromium-browser.raring.stable
[16:36] <rickspencer3> stgraber, hey, so when I started up this morning, it seemed that I had no pulseaudio
[16:36] <rickspencer3> I suspect this is due to having user session upstart running
[16:36] <rickspencer3> anyway I can get you some info so you can look into that?
[16:37] <stgraber> rickspencer3: what do you get if you do "status pulseaudio"?
[16:37] <rickspencer3> stgraber, well ... unfortunately I have restarted and it works now
[16:37] <rickspencer3> I forgot I was running user session upstart :(
[16:37] <stgraber> rickspencer3: ok. Anything interesting in ~/.cache/upstart/pulseaudio.log?
[16:37]  * rickspencer3 looks
[16:38] <rickspencer3> stgraber, 12 lines of this:
[16:38] <rickspencer3> pulseaudio: error while loading shared libraries: libpulsecommon-2.1.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[16:38] <rickspencer3> which is weird because I think I got pulse 3 yesterday
[16:39] <stgraber> my guess is that pulse crashed and upstart failed to respawn it because of an existing pid file. I believe I saw that here at some point too. A simple workaround would be to add a pre-start of "pulseaudio -k || true" so that it'd cleanup before spawning it
[16:39] <rickspencer3> stgraber, should I log a bug for that or something?
[16:39] <stgraber> I'll do that change to the job in the next upload, hopefully that'll fix it (would still be nice to figure out exactly why pulse is dying and fix that too ;))
[16:39] <rickspencer3> stgraber, well, I suspect it had something to do with upgrading yesterday, tbh
[16:40] <rickspencer3> so is probably transient
[16:40] <rickspencer3> thanks stgraber
[16:40] <stgraber> rickspencer3: I just commited the change to bzr, so the job will workaround any issue like that with the next build. As the feature technically isn't in the archive, we don't need a bug report here. It'd probably be useful to log a bug for the pulse crash if we ever manage to reproduce it and get some debug info
[16:41] <rickspencer3> stgraber, ok, thanks
[16:43] <stgraber> seb128: hey there. I'm trying to debug the qt theme being wrong when running under user sessions. Can you suggest someone who has a clue as to how our qt theming is working?
[16:43] <seb128> stgraber, Riddell maybe?
[16:44] <seb128> stgraber, is that qt4 or qt5? what's the issue?
[16:45] <stgraber> seb128: well, the problem happens under a unity session. Outside of an upstart user session we get a theme that looks like gtk (testing with mumble), within a user session we get an ugly theme (all gray, probably some kind of default theme)
[16:45] <seb128> stgraber, it happens only with the new upstart though?
[16:45] <stgraber> yep
[16:46] <seb128> not sure what qt is using to determine what gtk is using...
[16:46] <seb128> could be xsettings
[16:46] <Riddell> stgraber: Qt has some magic to detect if its running under gnome and loads the gtk theme if so, maybe that's broken in unity?
[16:46] <Riddell> it's window manager atoms I believe
[16:46] <seb128> Riddell, do you know what's the magic? env variable?
[16:46] <Riddell> ^^
[16:47] <stgraber> Riddell: ah, good idea. I looked at the environment but didn't find anything obvious. I'll go check the xatoms on the root window
[16:49] <mitya57> it's not xsettings definitely
[16:49] <mitya57> my patch that brings xsettings support to qt is awaiting review for longer than a month :(
[16:52] <mitya57> (they really should have dholbach^W patch pilots)
[16:59] <stgraber> seb128, Riddell: found it, it depends on GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID being set (to any value)
[17:00] <stgraber> I'll add that to the gnome-session job, should do the trick
[17:00] <seb128> stgraber, seems wrong
[17:01] <seb128> stgraber, something is/was setting it, why that something stopped working and shouldn't we fix that cause rather?
[17:01] <mitya57> funny comment @ https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/raring/qt4-x11/raring/view/head:/src/gui/kernel/qapplication_x11.cpp#L2370
[17:01] <mitya57> / GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID is deprecated for some reason, but still check it
[17:02] <Riddell> :)
[17:02] <stgraber> seb128: well, if you know what usually sets it, I'd be happy to look into it. I just grepped all of /usr/bin and /etc without finding a single match
[17:03] <Riddell> a shame there's no reliable way to do that
[17:03] <mitya57> but well, GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID is a fallback to "DESKTOP_SESSION=gnome" check
[17:03] <seb128> stgraber, gnome-session does
[17:03] <seb128> stgraber, gnome-session/main.c:        gsm_util_setenv ("GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID", "this-is-deprecated");
[17:03] <stgraber> seb128: hmm, odd
[17:04] <stgraber> stgraber@castiana:~$ cat /proc/$(pgrep gnome-session)/environ | tr '\0' '\n' | grep SESSION_ID
[17:04] <stgraber> stgraber@castiana:~$
[17:04] <stgraber> seb128: is that code conditional on something else?
[17:05] <seb128> stgraber, no
[17:05] <seb128> stgraber, but it's updating it by making a call over the dbus session bus
[17:05] <seb128> UpdateActivationEnvironment
[17:09] <stgraber> seb128: hmm, right, so it'll only be set to things that are dbus activated, not for what's started by upstart or by a child of an upstart job (in this case, compiz/unity)
[17:09] <seb128> stgraber, weird, compiz/unity are not dbus activated in the traditional workflow either
[17:11] <stgraber> seb128: hmm, indeed... maybe gnome-session explicitly sets it for things it spawns itself? I had a quick look here and compiz on a regular system definitely has GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID in the environment
[17:15] <seb128> stgraber, well, gsm_util_setenv() does g_setenv (variable, value, TRUE);
[17:16] <seb128> stgraber, so any child (e.g the autostarted .desktop) should have the env
[17:16] <stgraber> ok, so it applies to both its children and to dbus activated stuff. That explains how compiz usually inherits it
[17:16] <seb128> yeah
[17:18] <stgraber> ok, so the next upstart upload will have a simple trick in gnome-session.conf to export GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID to jobs depending on gnome-session. That should do the trick (at least it works here). Hopefully QT will stop depending on that variable soon and we can drop that workaround then.
[17:19] <mterry> mpt, seb128 and chrisccoulson don't like the dialog that we added in bug 1049046.  A suggestion was that the "OK" button should be something like "Continue" or "Continue Anyway" or some such.  Thoughts?
[17:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1049046 in update-manager (Ubuntu Quantal) "Software updater stops complete update if only one source cannot be found" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1049046
[17:20] <seb128> mterry, mpt: "OK" is not really informative on the what you are saying "OK" to
[17:20] <mpt> mterry, what OK button?
[17:20] <seb128> or what's coming next if you ack it
[17:20] <mterry> mpt, sorry...  let me get you context
[17:21] <czajkowski> rickspencer3: if you're on raring and booted up and have no sound, I logged that bug and it's just been fixed - may be seperate but just so you know.
[17:21] <czajkowski> rickspencer3: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1129990
[17:21] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1129990 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "Sound no longer works unless you kill it each time for each application" [High,Fix released]
[17:22] <mterry> mpt, hmm, I don't see the addition to the spec promised by comment #5 in that bug?  But the dialog you proposed in that bug, I put an "OK" button on (because the rest of the error dialogs in update-manager use OK)
[17:23] <mpt> mterry, well, you grabbed it so it fell off my to-do list ;-)
[17:23] <mterry> mpt, you can see the dialog if you edit your sources.list and screw up one of the URLs
[17:23] <mpt> mterry, and I'm running Ringtail?
[17:23] <mterry> mpt, yes
[17:24] <seb128> stgraber, in the new upstart world the autostarts are not spawned by gnome-session anymore?
[17:24] <seb128> stgraber, I don't understand why the env is unset if gnome-session still starts those
[17:25] <seb128> stgraber, are we likely to have the same issue with some other variables?
[17:26] <stgraber> seb128: compiz has a separate upstart job with the setup in my PPA, so it's not spawned by gnome-session. Same thing applies to pulseaudio and gnome-settings-daemon
[17:27] <stgraber> seb128: from a simple environment diff, we seem to be missing two variables. GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID and XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP
[17:27] <seb128> stgraber, right
[17:27] <TheMuso> Um, I think Pulseaudio gets automatically spawned, it doesn't get explicitly loaded under normal circumstances.
[17:28] <achiang> mterry: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1126516
[17:28] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1126516 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Xorg crashed with SIGABRT in <unavailable> in ??() (Nexus 7)" [Critical,New]
[17:29] <stgraber> TheMuso: right, the current jobs are just examples. It'll eventually be up to you guys to choose what you want to have started by upstart and what should be dbus activated instead.
[17:30] <mterry> bryce, you want help with the above bug?   Just want me to reproduce it?
[17:36] <bryceh> mterry, yeah see if you can repro
[17:41] <Laney> ricotz: what is the pango1.0-multiarch-modver?
[17:46] <Laney> I see, it's automatically generated
[17:46] <Laney> oh no, it's set in the rules file
[17:50] <ricotz> Laney, i guess it was suppose to be use by rdepends to track this version
[17:50] <ricotz> Laney, like plymouth
[17:51] <czajkowski> I've a bit of an odd one on raring atm, and before I log a bug am curious if anyone else can replicate it.  if you click empty recycling bin - it opens up the folder of my /home and looks like this, is this now normal? http://ubuntuone.com/2UdQROWOWnq5yOrzCj2JUu
[17:51] <Laney> it's some kind of abi then?
[17:51] <Laney> ricotz: will we have to rebuild packages for it?
[17:52] <Laney> actually I only see pango-graphite depending on it
[17:52] <ricotz> Laney, in case of plymouth just the initramfs trigger will be affected and i already made infinity fix that a while ago
[17:53] <ricotz> (by the module location change ^)
[17:53] <bschaefer> czajkowski, hmm from that screen shot it looks like your trash icon has some trash in it
[17:53] <bschaefer> (the trash icon)
[17:53] <bschaefer> now if you don't have any trash, and the trash icon thinks its full then thats a bug
[17:53] <czajkowski> bschaefer: well it does, but I'd expect the folder to show up is the trash folder not the one wher all home is
[17:53] <czajkowski> I'd have thought it should bring you to your trash folder
[17:54] <czajkowski> so you could review the items, and empty
[17:54] <Laney> ah, it hardcoded the directory
[17:54] <Laney> ricotz: OK, uploading 1.32.5 to raring now
[17:54] <Laney> I'll let it age in proposed some time though
[17:54] <Laney> like a fine wine
[17:54] <bschaefer> czajkowski, right, it should open a trash window somewhere
[17:54] <bschaefer> but im guessing its not focusing the right window
[17:54] <ricotz> Laney, oh i thought 1.32.4 was the target
[17:55] <czajkowski> yup
[17:55] <czajkowski> bschaefer: bingo
[17:55] <Laney> ricotz: hope not!
[17:55] <Laney> .6 was the borked one
[17:55] <bschaefer> possibly, which is a Nautilus focus bug
[17:55] <bschaefer> IIRC
[17:55] <Laney> seb128: confirm/deny
[17:55]  * bschaefer tries to find that bug
[17:55] <ricotz> Laney, just saying i thought seb128 was working on .4
[17:55] <Laney> gtk asks for .4 I think but .5 should also be good
[17:56] <Laney> .6 is bad
[17:56] <seb128> I was looking at .5
 ricotz, no, I want 1.32.4 then
[17:56] <seb128> so +1
[17:56] <ricotz> ok
[17:56] <seb128> ricotz, I got confused by the versions
[17:57] <ricotz> alright
[17:58] <bschaefer> czajkowski, well im not sure where it is atm, Trevinho would know if its a bug already
[17:58] <bschaefer> hopefully :)
[17:58] <czajkowski> if not I can log one for raring
[17:58] <bschaefer> czajkowski, I would file a bug, worst case it gets marked a dup of the real one :)
[17:59] <bschaefer> as I don't see a bug that describes your problem 100%
[18:00] <czajkowski> against nautilus
[18:00] <bschaefer> czajkowski, hmm it could be unity/bamf or nautilus
[20:47] <thumper> hi folks
[20:47] <thumper> I've just removed a ppa
[20:48] <thumper> and I want to revert packages that may have been upgraded back to the defaults
[20:48]  * thumper has no working unity
[21:13] <czajkowski> :/
[21:14] <czajkowski> suspects many of the folks on sprint in london may be able to help but are all offline
[22:09] <xnox> thumper: purge-ppa is your friend.
[22:10] <xnox> czajkowski: purge-ppa for similar cases always helps =)
[23:04] <TheMuso> thumper: Did you use ppa-purge?


[12:26] <juliux> @schedule berlin
[12:26] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 24 Jul 17:00: Kernel Team | 25 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 25 Jul 22:00: Xubuntu Developers | 26 Jul 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 27 Jul 14:00: MOTU Team | 31 Jul 17:00: Ubuntu Server Team meeting
[04:59] <zul> hello
[05:02] <BenC> ok, hello everyone
[05:02] <BenC> This is the Ubuntu Kernel Team meeting, our agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[05:03] <BenC> Unfortunately, Kyle and Tim are at UbuntuLive and wont be attending, which shortens our agenda quite a bit
[05:04] <BenC> A few highlights of recent things we've been working on include UME kernel (amitk), and liveCD memory issues (pkl)
[05:05] <BenC> amitk: would you care to elaborate on some of the work you're doing with UME, and plans for power management improvements?
[05:06] <BenC> ah, amit has lost connection :)
[05:07] <BenC> While he's regaining that connection...any questions from community folks?
[05:07] <zul> not me
[05:07] <zul> I didnt prepare anything at least
[05:07] <BenC> this is going to be a short meeting, so we'll have time for this sort of thing :)
[05:08] <zul> oh yeah ill try to get to vserver this week what about openvz?
[05:08] <ScottK> Would anyone be willing to work on kernel bug triage while we wait?
[05:09] <BenC> zul: openvz looks like it may miss the gutsy release, but we are discussing possibilities with them
[05:09] <zul> ok
[05:09] <BenC> they are still based on 2.6.20 kernel, and the reject list is huge against 2.6.22
[05:10] <zul> and im not touching it ;)
[05:10] <amitk_> I dropped out...
[05:10] <BenC> ScottK: you're more than welcome to do that at any time :)
[05:11] <BenC> amitk: saw that on the other server...we were just discussing some open topics, but I had wondered if you wanted to give an update on UME and/or power savings work in gutsy
[05:11] <ScottK> BenC: Unfortunately for me, when it comes to the kernel, I'm more of a triagee than a triager.
[05:12] <BenC> ScottK: heh, a good time for that is bug days, in which we'll have a kernel team person actively helping and working on kernel bugs
[05:13] <ScottK> Sure.  Just thought maybe it would be a target of opportunity while waiting.  No problem.
[05:13] <amitk_> nothing big really - UME kernels seem to work on the menlow platform
[05:13] <amitk_> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/power-management-in-ubuntu has been modified to be more focused for gutsy
[05:14] <amitk_> and I am now working on splitting up the test cases for laptop-testing group in order to revive it
[05:14] <BenC> excellent, the laptop testing sounds really promising
[05:15] <BenC> amitk: have you contacted heno about the test infrastructure yet?
[05:15] <amitk_> no I haven't. I will do that right away
[05:16] <BenC> hopefully they've been working on the backend already, and it will just be a matter of plugging in the explanations and reporting procedures that you come up with
[05:16] <BenC> pkl_: you've been tasked with livecd memory usage problems, and with virtualization (mainly xen)...how's that coming?
[05:17] <amitk_> I would also like to put out a call for volunteers to do some powertop hacking (www.linuxpowertop.org)
[05:17] <pkl_> BenC: currently suspended, looking at the critical #126964 bug.
[05:18] <pkl_> That's the liveCD corruption and hang bug.
[05:18] <BenC> ah, right
[05:18] <pkl_> The hang I traced last week to a race I put into Squashfs in April.  Fixed.
[05:18] <BenC> been able to point the blame at anything specific yet?
[05:19] <BenC> good, nice work
[05:19] <pkl_> The corruption bug is much rarer, but very nasty.
[05:20] <pkl_> Unfortunately the available debug info proved impossible to track this down.
[05:20] <BenC> pkl_: would this benefit from crashdump?
[05:20] <BenC> I could probably write up something, and create an ISO which can handle crashdumps capturing
[05:21] <pkl_> I have put in a lot more non-invasive (i.e. no spewing rubbish to dmesg) logging via a psedo file (debugfs), and got some good debug info yesterday,
[05:22] <pkl_> I believe I know the execeptional set of circumstances which cause the bug.  It looks like an undiscovered race condition in the Squashfs fragment cache code.
[05:22] <BenC> ok, if you need more extensive testing, would be good to talk heno about putting out a call for that
[05:22] <BenC> otherwise, keep up the good work you're already doing
[05:22] <pkl_> Debugging is currently ongoing.
[05:23] <pkl_> Yeah, I've been up to 6am most nights..
[05:23] <pkl_> As it's Squashfs I have a vested interest in fixing it, and a certain responsibility :)
[05:24] <BenC> pkl_: sleep becomes a luxury at times :)
[05:25] <BenC> Well, unless there's some other topics people want discussed, this meeting is at an end
[05:25] <BenC> I'll give a short pause from the chair...
[05:26] <BenC> And, that's it folks :)
[05:27] <BenC> thanks everyone, have a good week and so you all in two weeks for the next meeting
[05:28] <amitk_> bye
[08:04] <Meyvn> @schedule
[08:04] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 25 Jul 12:00: Edubuntu | 25 Jul 20:00: Xubuntu Developers | 26 Jul 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 27 Jul 12:00: MOTU Team | 31 Jul 15:00: Ubuntu Server Team meeting | 31 Jul 19:00: Technical Board


[19:16] <johnc4510> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available:
[19:16] <johnc4510> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue143


[05:01] <mfisch> When Debian re-assigns copyrights in the copyright file, do we just assume that was done correctly? I've never seen a bunch of copyright changes like this before.
[05:06] <siretart> mfisch: only the holder can reassign copyright, and also only in some jurisdiction. and AFAIUI, the project as a whole does not hold copyright for any considerable amount of copyright
[05:07] <mfisch> I didn't mean Debian the project, I mean the guy who took over in debian
[05:08] <siretart> I think that's a case-by-case decision then
[05:13] <mfisch> looks like bryce has dealt with this package a lot and his is one of the removed names
[05:15] <mfisch> night all
[07:18] <dholbach> good morning
[07:18] <geser> good morning
[13:43] <obounaim> Hello everybody
[13:45] <obounaim> I was trying to merge the last version of electricsheep from Debian, but I have noticed that there some undocumented changes in the last debian version
[13:45] <obounaim> is it ok?
[14:25] <geser> yes, we follow the Debian package and only change where needed
[15:51] <AlexBell> hi are James Page, Miguel Landaeta, tony mancill, or Jakub Adam on IRC?
[15:54] <sladen> AlexBell: try jamespage
[15:54] <jamespage> AlexBell, hello
[15:54] <tumbleweed> or nomadium or tmancill
[15:55] <AlexBell> hi jamespage ! I am wondering most the logs from the tomcat7 package are tomcat7:adm. why is catalina.out tomcat7:root ?
[16:00] <AlexBell> jamespage: do you know or is that an upstream thing?
[16:01] <jamespage> AlexBell, I suspect its a packaging thing - just looking now
[16:05] <jamespage> AlexBell: I can see how that happens but I can't tell you why they are different
[16:06] <AlexBell> jamespage: is it a security feature or bug?
[16:06] <jamespage> AlexBell, if I knew why I'd be able to answer that :-)
[16:06] <AlexBell> I take it you don't know
[16:06] <AlexBell> haha
[16:06]  * jamespage thinks about it a bit more


[12:54] <holstein> musegarden: o/
[12:54] <musegarden> hello
[12:54] <holstein> musegarden: you mind if i announce where you are located?
[12:54] <holstein> not sure if anyone is near you or not...
[12:58] <musegarden> oh no, go ahead :)
[12:58] <musegarden> I have to leave soon though. Errands to run.
[12:59] <holstein> yeah, me too... but you know where to find me :)
[13:00] <holstein> musegarden is up in boone
[13:00] <musegarden> all right, yeah, I'll try to get on later today :)
[13:00] <holstein> we have a few regulars... akgraner internalkernel
[13:00] <holstein> BugeyeD_ Nivex
[13:01] <holstein> the other lurkers participate too
[13:01] <musegarden> What do you usually talk about?
[13:02] <holstein> how busy we are ;)
[13:03] <holstein> nah... whatever really
[13:03] <holstein> its been slow in here though
[13:03] <holstein> we should/could be talking about meetups
[13:03] <holstein> like install fests, or whatever
[13:03] <musegarden> install fests are fun :P
[13:04] <holstein> for example, meeting up with you near ASU (with permission)
[13:05] <holstein> having some boxes sitting around folkds can check out
[13:05] <holstein> handing out CD's
[13:05] <musegarden> That would be fun to do.
[13:05] <holstein> whatever buntu related event really
[13:05] <holstein> musegarden: yeah, and thats what we need to be doing
[13:06] <musegarden> See I've been trying to get stuff of that nature together but everyone is either too scared of linux or refuses to leave their room :P
[13:06] <akgraner> Hi all!
[13:06] <holstein> safety in #'s :)
[13:07] <holstein> musegarden: are you on the mailing list?
[13:07] <musegarden> for what?
[13:07] <holstein> its actually quite active
[13:08] <holstein> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-nc
[13:08] <musegarden> oh no, I'm not on that. I should be
[13:08] <akgraner> holstein, for release party we'll have banners and I'll have bootable usb sticks for all the supported derivates
[13:08] <akgraner> we can also create CD's on the fly there if you want
[13:08] <musegarden> Done
[13:09] <musegarden> I have been having such a time making a bootable usb lately >_>
[13:09] <holstein> akgraner: :)
[13:10] <holstein> musegarden: i use unetbooting
[13:10] <holstein> musegarden: i use unetbootin*
[13:10] <holstein> and i just go ahead and format the USB stick each time
[13:10] <musegarden> I have been as well, I even tried straight dd'ing it and I still can't get it to boot.
[13:10] <holstein> only the 11.10 USB are supposed to be hybrid
[13:11] <holstein> i havent tried DD'ing, but i saw others having issues with it as well
[13:11] <musegarden> I'll figure it out eventually I guess. I gotta go run some errands for now, so talk to you guys later. :)
[13:11] <holstein> musegarden: \o
[13:12] <holstein> cool... new folkz :)
[13:12] <akgraner> I use startup disk creator
[13:13] <akgraner> it's on Ubuntu by default
[13:13] <akgraner> works beautifully
[13:13] <holstein> that didnt work for me so many times in the past, i stopped trying
[13:13] <akgraner> I just used it last night
[13:13] <holstein> i think that was 9.10?
[13:14] <holstein> im sure its fine by now
[13:14] <holstein> dd is the ddeal though :)
[13:31] <akgraner> holstein, I am sure it is but that's all commandline and well you know me
[13:39] <holstein> akgraner: gdiskdump :)
[13:39] <holstein> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/gdiskdump-gui-for-diskdump-dd.html#more-12122
[13:40] <akgraner> oh cool
[13:40] <holstein> i havent checked it out though
[13:40]  * holstein still on lucid
[13:41] <akgraner> you sticking w/lucid til 12.04
[13:41] <holstein> most places
[13:41] <holstein> i have a slightly borked 11.10 xubuntu install
[13:42] <holstein> for testing ubuntustudio stuff
[13:42] <akgraner> gotcha
[13:42] <holstein> i'll probably start running 12.04 ASAP on something...
[13:42] <holstein> but, i might run 11.10 on the netbook
[13:43] <holstein> im not touching my audio machine for a while though
[13:46] <BugeyeD_> no wonder my ears are burning.
[13:48] <BugeyeD_> akgraner: you need to become one with the shell
[13:49] <BugeyeD_> i've been doing that since amiga cli
[13:49] <BugeyeD_> trs-80 and c=64 doesn't count, because there was no graphical environment (save for geos) available anyway
[13:49] <holstein> dd if=akgraner of=akgraner+cli :)
[13:50] <BugeyeD_> load "cli",8,1
[13:50] <BugeyeD_> i can't believe i remember that ... sheesh, how friggin' old AM i, anyway?
[13:51] <BugeyeD_> sys 64738  <-- hard reboot for a commodore-64
[13:51] <BugeyeD_> i'm full of information that's useful to precisely nobody
[13:52] <Tracy_P> It is interesting trivia though
[13:52] <Tracy_P> I never had a C=64
[13:52] <holstein> BugeyeD_: hehe
[13:52] <BugeyeD_> i ran a bbs (bulletin board system for all you young'uns) on a c=64 for years before anyone had ever heard of the internet.
[13:53] <BugeyeD_> i spent way too much time on the c=64 back then.
[13:53] <BugeyeD_> probably 50/50 between that and my guitar. should have stuck with the guitar.
[13:53] <BugeyeD_> probably be making less money today, but probably have a lot more fun
[13:54] <BugeyeD_> with the guitar, that is. i suppose holstein might be able to clue me in there.
[13:54] <Tracy_P> I had 300 and 1200 baud modems in the past
[13:54] <BugeyeD_> me too
[13:54] <holstein> yeah.. depends
[13:54] <Tracy_P> Did you ever connect to a MBBS?
[13:55] <holstein> i teach 2 computer classes right now... i make in 2 weeks about what i make playing 2 shows ;)
[13:55] <BugeyeD_> the bbs started at 300 baud, then i splurged and bought a (gigantic) 1200 baud modem. while the modem could communicate at 1200 baud, the computer couldn't keep up. so you'd see stuff purting out at intervals instead of a steady stream.
[13:55] <holstein> you definitely *dont* get into music for the $$
[13:55] <Tracy_P> I remember those days
[13:55] <holstein> theres an easy way to make a million dollars in the music buisness though... start out with 2 million...
[13:56] <BugeyeD_> holstein: i'll be those two shows give a whole lot more satisfaction than the 2 weeks of work, without even talking of money.
[13:56] <BugeyeD_> haha
[13:56] <holstein> well, im enjoying teaching the smaller class
[13:56] <holstein> 5 11th graders
[13:57] <BugeyeD_> i'm sure i'd blow most of mine on prs guitars and old tube amps and such
[13:57] <holstein> its the 7th and 8th graders... :/
[13:57] <holstein> they are still kids
[13:57] <BugeyeD_> can you put yourself on their level? those are the teachers that the kids like, and the ones they learn from
[13:57] <holstein> and, most upper level computer stuff requires some patients and waiting
[13:58] <holstein> the 11th graders are capable of that
[13:58] <BugeyeD_> Tracy_P: mbbs?
[13:58] <Tracy_P> multi-bbs..
[13:58] <holstein> theres also 11 of the younger ones
[13:58] <holstein> thats more challening
[13:58] <Tracy_P> oh it was a product that ran on 286 and 386 computers late 80's early 90's
[13:59] <Tracy_P> 64 modems, so up to 64 people connected at once
[13:59] <internalkernel> omg... I had a friend who used to run a bbs off his c64, that was a long time ago...
[13:59] <internalkernel> Im feeling my age at the moment...
[13:59] <BugeyeD_> Tracy_P: i connected to plenty, but not sure about that. for intel computers, i remember wildcat and a few others. but i was mainly commodore/amiga so i remember mostly color64bbs (greg pfountz - i even remember the author's name, how sad) and fidonet (distributed messages, like usenet).
[14:00] <BugeyeD_> internalkernel: i don't wanna hear about it
[14:00] <internalkernel> lol... the internet before it Al Gore invented it...
[14:00] <BugeyeD_> internalkernel: i'm guessing you're younger than i am, though we're probably close
[14:00] <BugeyeD_> ... series of tubes ...
[14:00] <internalkernel> might be... I do have 3 kids... oldest of which is 13, so we're probably real close...
[14:01] <holstein> that black box from 'the IT crowd' ;)
[14:01] <BugeyeD_> i really need to get back to work. :/
[14:01] <internalkernel> I just finished my amish breakfast sandwich...
[14:01] <internalkernel> about to begin working on my beignets...
[14:01] <internalkernel> I love philly...
[14:02] <holstein> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTBsm0LzSP0
[14:02] <BugeyeD_> one of these days i need to get out west where you folks are. maybe i can make this installfest i just heard about. and try out one of amber's usb sticks.
[14:03] <BugeyeD_> my laptop doesn't boot usb; i have to boot from cd to execute a wedge that can then boot from usb.
[14:03] <BugeyeD_> and i've had mixed results with booting usb sticks on newer hardware (mostly desktops). may have to do with the 'hybrid' comment i heard a few minutes ago, i dunno.
[14:06] <BugeyeD_> so is musegarden a musician? possibly a cross between muse and soundgarden? two bands which i'd never ordinarily mention in the same sentence ...
[14:06] <holstein> hmmm... i didnt ask
[14:06] <holstein> someone introduced us in #ubuntu-beginners
[14:12] <BugeyeD_> cool.
[14:16] <akgraner> holstein, hmmm I do like byobu but don't really do much on the server side or in term windows right now
[14:17] <akgraner> holstein, did I tell you - I have been asked to design a 6 week course using Ubuntu for an intro to computers class...
[14:18] <akgraner> for 8th graders at a private school here...I thought of you...
[14:22] <holstein> akgraner: nice
[14:22] <holstein> i put ubuntu on the bosses computer at this school, and a few of the other teachers
[14:22] <holstein> i didnt say much about it yet
[14:23] <akgraner> :-)
[14:23] <holstein> im going to wait a while, see if they ask
[14:23] <akgraner> see if they notice
[14:23] <holstein> i'll tell them i spend $10 on the machine ;)
[14:23] <holstein> spent*
[14:28] <holstein> they notice when they want MS office and/or netfilx :/
[14:29] <akgraner> :-)
[16:19] <Tracy_P> The MBBS allowed MUD's where you could interact with others in the scripted environment. The one I remember was named Kyrandia. Dump gems down a hole, marry someone, to get to the highest level. Also a public chat, such as IRC gives us and private chat that you can have one on one conversations.
[16:21] <Tracy_P> Those were the days when a dealer purchased a 1 GB harddrive for 1300 US
[16:21] <Tracy_P> 5.25 full height
[16:34] <BugeyeD_> i had (2) 5.25" floppy drives and (3) 3.5" drives for storage. couldn't afford a hard disk.
[16:35] <Tracy_P> That was probably closer to mid 80's then
[16:35] <BugeyeD_> and i did have games which saved state and users interacted with each other. the most popular was the murder motel (or something similar) where you are given a target, but you are also named as someone else's target. you got N moves per session to run around in the hotel and find your target without first being found.
[16:36] <BugeyeD_> yep, mid-80's
[16:36] <Tracy_P> I would have laughed my way through that game each time I got into it.
[16:37] <Tracy_P> My dad didn't let me have a modem in the mid-80's. I had to buy my own. Didn't have a job until I got out of high school. So it took until 88 before I had a modem.
[16:38] <Tracy_P> TI99-4A.. not sure of the - placement anymore.
[16:39] <Tracy_P> Had a modem that coupled with the headset for a few weeks, then bought one that took over the line.
[16:39] <Tracy_P> call waiting was always a challenge
[16:40] <Tracy_P> Now I'm working on a software product that the executable is 21 megs and delivered over the internet. how life has changed
[16:40] <BugeyeD_> heh, no kidding
[16:41] <BugeyeD_> back then, 21 megs would have transferred in what, 21 years?
[16:41] <Tracy_P> lol
[16:41] <Tracy_P> at 300 yup
[16:42] <BugeyeD_> and it was *amazing* at what could be done in the 64k of a commodore. and half of that 64k was ROM.
[22:54] <musegarden> Anyone there?
[23:38] <akgraner> hey
[23:39] <musegarden> hello


[15:30] <imbrandon_> or hack juju's cloud-init injection to add your stuff as well
[15:31] <imbrandon_> but its hard coded in juju so it would be a hack ( i did it on hp cloud back when i setup the first set of archive mirrors over there )
[15:31] <imbrandon_> ahasenack: ^^
[15:32] <imbrandon_> iirc it was not that nor that big of a change , just the fact of doing it tho felt dirty , heh
[15:34] <ahasenack> imbrandon_: yep, see it
[15:38] <imbrandon_> since cloud-init takes base64 encoded filecontents as a valid script i've long thought that a setting in env.y of like "init-extra: somebase64encstringgere" would be killer , but it never made it into the py version before new features were supposedly accepted and the go guys immediately said "no" trying to even mention getting it into go at all soooooo …
[15:38] <imbrandon_> ahasenack: that was months ago tho , if you wanted to prod at them again :)
[15:39] <ahasenack> imbrandon_: I subscribed to the bug, cloud-init even added an apt_proxy key because of it, all that's missing is juju using it
[15:39] <imbrandon_> :)
[15:57] <fcorrea> Hello folks. I'm on raring and it seems something went bad recently. I'm trying to deploy mysql on lxc but it doesn't seem to be working as if juju wasn't doing anything. It sits there and stays forever in a pending state
[15:57] <fcorrea> any ideas on how to debug?
[15:57] <fcorrea> juju debug-log shows nothing
[15:57] <marcoceppi> fcorrea: If I recall correctly, juju local provider is broken on raring
[15:58] <fcorrea> marcoceppi, oh, bummer
[15:58] <fcorrea> well, I guess I could create a quantal or precise vm and get things done I guess
[16:00]  * marcoceppi looks for the bug #
[16:00] <marcoceppi> You should have gotten a nasty error when trying to bootstrap
[16:01] <imbrandon_> hazmat / marcoceppi : you happen to know if the current openstack provider works on RAX ? or is it still a no-go
[16:01] <imbrandon_> pyjuju fwiw
[16:11] <fcorrea> marcoceppi, didn't get any error at all. It was all fine but nothing really happens after deploying
[16:12] <marcoceppi> fcorrea: You set a data-dir in your envionrments file, in there should be a machine-agent.log or something similar, if you could paste that in to a pastebin it'd be helpful to start debugging
[16:13] <fcorrea> marcoceppi, that's much more helpful: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5701877/
[16:14] <fcorrea> mmm...I'm wondering if my python got messed up
[16:14] <marcoceppi> fcorrea: yeah, that's the lxc/raring bug
[16:14] <fcorrea> marcoceppi, gotcha
[16:14] <marcoceppi> fcorrea:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/juju/+bug/1130809
[16:15] <fcorrea> marcoceppi, thanks. subscribed
[16:19] <brunogirin> Hi all, trying to run juju-core on Raring with EC2: juju status after bootstrap goes into infinite loop, any ideas what I can be doing wrong?
[16:29] <hazmat> imbrandon, no go
[16:30] <imbrandon_> okies, ty
[16:30] <hazmat> imbrandon, shouldn't be hard to amend.. it needs extensions detection in the client, and disabled nova network security-group/firewalls as they don't exist there.
[16:31] <hazmat> the rax idiosyncratic auth security is implemented
[16:31] <imbrandon_> cool, yea iirc thats getting flattened out now
[16:31] <imbrandon_> well not that specificly but where rax != os
[16:32] <hazmat> cool
[16:33] <imbrandon_> http://www.rackspace.com/blog/ramping-up-our-openstack-investment-involvement/
[16:33] <imbrandon_> ^^ if ya hadent seen it
[16:34] <imbrandon_> some other cool things comming out of RAX fast too, like 5 new complete SDK's that work on pure openstack out of the box and rax secondly
[16:34] <imbrandon_> including http://php-opencloud.com
[16:34] <imbrandon_> :)
[16:35] <imbrandon_> someone lit a fire under their arse i think :)
[16:36] <imbrandon_> its funny seeing all the activity for the last ~10 days on their github repos , the rush before OpenStack Summit :)
[17:21] <hazmat> its present for all the ostack contributors
[17:42] <ahasenack> SpamapS: hi, around?
[17:42] <ahasenack> SpamapS: wondering how to correctly use jitsu status
[17:42] <ahasenack> this hangs forever, for example:
[17:42] <ahasenack> jitsu watch ubuntu/0 --state=started --failfast
[17:42] <ahasenack> there is no service deployed in this env, just bootstrap
[17:43] <ahasenack> ok, timeout in front
[20:30] <marcoceppi> How hard would it be to add some way to track who promulgates what to the store?


[16:18] <joey> oh sorry nealmcb_ ... seems my canonical mail had a hiccup and I just got several emails from Friday only today


[01:22] <patdk-lap> anyone have a clue with grub + uefi + luks :)
[01:23] <patdk-lap> works great on non-uefi boot, but I get a blank grub config when booting uefi :(
[05:01] <sruli> has anyone uses ssl from letsencrypt? trying to get it working on my impad
[06:28] <PryMar56> recent do-release-upgrade of Vivid to Wily 15.10. If I set busybox=n in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf, then remake ramfs, reboot, it fails saying that no init candidate is found
[06:29] <PryMar56> adding init=/lib/systemd/systemd to cmdline is no help
[06:30] <PryMar56> its a known problem, so I left busybox=y
[10:32] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:47] <irreleph4nt> Hi all. Have you ever tried setting up OpenChange + SOGo on server 15.10?
[14:26] <Kimse> Anybody here ever tried to use automount inside a NAT'd LXC container to mount home directories shared via NFS?
[16:05] <maza|2> can i redirect www.yahoo.com to www.yahoo.com/one/two/three.php over my own dns server + apache?
[16:05] <bekks> Whats the actual goal behind that?
[16:06] <maza|2> referal link
[16:06] <maza|2> ad
[16:07] <bekks> Ah, user annoyance :P
[16:07] <maza|2> thx))
[16:09] <lordievader> Perhaps you can do something like that with the squid proxy?
[16:09] <bekks> squid doesnt rewrite.
[16:10] <lordievader> Ah...
[16:10] <bekks> you could point yahoo.com to your own webserver, make it listen to yahoo.com, and just use modrewrite
[16:19] <maza|2> bekks: dns server forward yahoo.com to <IP_ADDRESS> (my apache+bind host), then "Redirect / www.yahoo.com/one/two/three.php" by apache. But this link never open, because yahoo.com is still <IP_ADDRESS>, and there is no other pages
[16:19] <bekks> dns servers do not forward.
[16:20] <bekks> you need to configure YOUR dns server for pointing to YOUR apache server when accessing yahoo.com
[16:21] <bekks> Then, you need to create the rewrite rule, and obviously you need to configure your clients to use your dns server instead of another one.
[16:25] <bekks> maza|2: KEep it in the channel please, not in an unasked query.
[16:26] <bekks> maza|2: Keep it in here.
[16:27] <bekks> maza|2: Three time and you are out. *plonk*
[16:27] <bekks> *times
[16:27] <maza|2> ok
[16:39] <patdk-lap> heh? squid rewrites
[16:40] <patdk-lap> do it consistantly
[16:54] <lordievader> patdk-lap: Can it solve the aforementioned problem?
[20:10] <irreleph4nt> Hi all. Any idea why RSAT does not pick up my DHCP server? Runs just fine, though.
[20:12] <fgjuutpfg> Hello, I was hoping someone could help me out with a networking issue
[20:14] <fgjuutpfg> I'm using ubuntu 14.04 LTS on two machines, one of which (machine 1) is connected to the internet via wifi. The other machine (machine 2) is connected to the internet through machine 1's wifi connection, using ethernet. My issue is that when I log into my router, machine 2 does not show up under "connected devices", so I am unable to access its LAN ip
[21:31] <guntbert> fgjuutpfg: does 2 get its IP-address via DHCP from the wifi router?
[22:37] <fgjuutpfg> guntbert, no, it seems to be getting it from 1
[22:37] <fgjuutpfg> it's like 10.34.... whereas the others on the lan are 192.168.0.*
[22:37] <fgjuutpfg> but 2 seems to be getting some resolving from the router
[22:38] <fgjuutpfg> because i can address other machines in the LAN from 2 via their LAN address


[14:38] <dee> Hello
[14:38] <smartboyhw_> Hello dee
[14:39] <dee> Does someone know how to add a new event on the Fridge calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com//calendars/ ?
[15:05] <JoseeAntonioR> dee: ping
[15:05] <dee> JoseeAntonioR: hi Josee
[15:05] <JoseeAntonioR> dee: hey, let me grab a link with instructions :)
[15:06] <JoseeAntonioR> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge/Calendar#Adding_Events_to_the_Calendar
[15:06] <JoseeAntonioR> dee: may I ask what is the event?
[15:07] <dee> JoseeAntonioR: German Ubucon in October: http://ubucon.de/2013/
[15:07] <JoseeAntonioR> oh, I don't think that'll fit on the fridge
[15:07] <smartboyhw_> dee: LoCo event will be better
[15:07] <smartboyhw_> loco.ubuntu.com
[15:07] <dee> ah, okay. so the Fridge will not hold the worldwide Loco Events?
[15:07] <JoseeAntonioR> dee: nope, fridge calendar is for team meetings
[15:08] <dee> ah okay.
[15:08] <JoseeAntonioR> but yes, loco.ubuntu.com would be a great way to have an 'official' link to an event
[15:09] <dee> yes, in loco.ubuntu.com (or on the German subsite of it) there is a news already.
[15:09] <JoseeAntonioR> great then :)
[15:09] <dee> Could you (or somebody else) post a news in the UWN that we a have such an event?
[15:09] <dee> or is it too early?
[15:09] <JoseeAntonioR> dee: sure thing!
[15:09] <JoseeAntonioR> it's fine
[15:09] <JoseeAntonioR> I just need a planet post or something
[15:10] <dee> English or German?
[15:10] <JoseeAntonioR> english
[15:10] <JoseeAntonioR> if you can't post on the planet, I'd be happy to post on your behalf if you give me the post
[15:10] <dee> My blog or the Ubucon blog is only on the German planet because we only post German news.
[15:11] <smartboyhw_> dee: Are you a Ubuntu member?
[15:11] <JoseeAntonioR> looks like not
[15:11] <dee> smartboyhw_: nope.
[15:11] <JoseeAntonioR> dee: if you email me the blog post I can post it on planet.ubuntu.com for you and include it on the UWN
[15:11] <dee> "only" Ubuntu LoCo Member.
[15:11] <dee> JoseeAntonioR: okay, I have you mail adress and will write you later.
[15:12] <JoseeAntonioR> ok then, I'll PM it just in case
[15:31] <JoseeAntonioR> dee: did you get the PM?
[15:42] <dee> JoseeAntonioR: yes, thanks


[00:45] <thomi> half way through syncing emails
[00:45] <thomi> :(
[00:45] <thomi> maybe we should delete ones that are over a certain age?
[00:55] <wgrant_> thomi: We?
[00:56] <wgrant_> Oh, the staging mailbox
[00:56] <wgrant_> ?
[00:56] <wgrant_> There's a script to purge that.
[00:56] <wgrant> Connecting to it without purging first is suicide.
[00:57] <thomi> wgrant: *now* you tell me :D
[00:57] <thomi> wgrant: where's the script?
[00:57] <wgrant> Found 176826 messages.
[00:57] <thomi> this will take days otherwise
[00:57] <wgrant> lp:lp-dev-utils' purge-inbox.py
[00:57] <thomi> 95k/176k
[00:58] <wgrant> Invoke with '-u staging -w $PASSWORD -d 3' or so
[00:58] <wgrant> But I'm already a good way in.
[00:59] <thomi> wgrant: you're purging it now?
[00:59] <wgrant> Yep
[00:59] <thomi> awesome, I'll wait
[01:02] <wgrant> thomi: there's now a whopping 103 emails.
[01:02] <thomi> nice
[01:23] <thomi> new code seems to work perfectly :D
[01:35] <wgrant> thomi: You need to replace the "qa-needstesting" tag with "qa-ok"
[01:36] <thomi> wgrant: ugh,t hanks
[01:36] <thomi> done
[01:37] <wgrant> Thanks.
[11:51] <cjwatson> wgrant,blr: Could you have a quick look over https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/txpkgupload/sftp-interface-oopses/+merge/247459 ?  Would be nice to de-oopsify that.
[11:51] <cjwatson> (And possibly also see if the txpkgupload deployment process doesn't entirely suck this time.)