[10:08] <baz> Dr_willis, would X have to be installed on the server too?
[10:08] <Dr_willis> baz,   isntalling the X apps would pull in and install quite a bit of X.  but you do not need to be running X or kdm/gdm/xdm
[10:08] <earthmeLon> Hey guys, I downloaded a cursor theme for x11 and I found where in Compiz Manager to change my theme, but I don't know where I need to put the theme files.  Could someone throw me a bone here?
[10:09] <baz> "The X is built with network in mind with the capability to run a (graphical) session on a remote computer"
[10:10] <baz> that quote sounds like something super-cool... but its really nothing?
[10:10] <baz> it sounds a lot like u could have a dumb terminal with only X installed and attach that to any server u like
[10:11] <baz> but really X and all its progs have to be installed everywhere anyways?
[10:11] <Dr_willis> baz,   you can have a 'dumb terminal' that is just the X display.. and have allt he apps running on the server
[10:11] <Dr_willis> baz,  Not all the apps...  just the X display/server
[10:11] <Dr_willis> baz,  theres been X terminals out for years that do just that..  a big server - serving up 1000+ X terminals to the clients
[10:12] <baz> Dr_willis, that would be great... thats kind of what i am looking for - is it not?
[10:12] <Dr_willis> $300 X terminal,   and a $30,000+  server
[10:12] <baz> using my local X to connect to my server?
[10:12] <Dr_willis> baz,  you seem to be obsessed about not installing stuff ont eh server.. IF you run stuff ON the server.. it has to be installed On the server.. the CLIENT just needs X
[10:13] <baz> Dr_willis, in these dumb terminal environments you speak of, how does one choose a program?
[10:13] <baz> Dr_willis, how does one interact with files?
[10:13] <baz> is there a duplicate program installed for each instance?
[10:14] <baz> nautlius 30,000 times, firefox duplicated 30,000 times?
[10:14] <Dr_willis> baz,  yoyu sit down at it.. you see a KDM login/gdm login..  and  type in the user name/paswword.. and  away it goes..
[10:14] <Dr_willis>  baz  if 1000 clients are all runnign  firefox.. then the server is running firefox 10000 times...
[10:14] <Dr_willis>  the clients are just displaying the output of the program to the screen
[10:14] <cweigle> Does anyone know of a good ruby compiler?
[10:15] <Dr_willis> baz,  the 'client' can  be totally without a hard drive..  or just a minimal local drive
[10:15] <baz> Dr_willis, thats making a lot of sense to me actually and making me angry at the same time
[10:15] <simplexio> baz: check ltsp ubuntun howto
[10:15] <MrEgg964> hi all :) I'm trying to rsync (with ssh) /usr/share/fonts/truetype from one computer to another, but I'm getting a 'Permission denied' error. How can I give rsync the necessary privileges for the operation to complete? TIA
[10:16] <tweak> sudo!
[10:16] <Dr_willis> baz,  ages ago we had 'serial' terminals that just did text. :) basicially the same idea.
[10:16] <MrEgg964> tweak: no, sudo doesn't work
[10:16] <Dr_willis> i still have a serial terminal or 2
[10:16] <cweigle> sudo apt-get install opera
[10:16] <Dr_willis> !opera
[10:16] <cweigle> oops sorry accidently clicked over from terminal
[10:17] <simplexio> MrEgg964: you need right permission on both machines to write/read those path
[10:17] <Dr_willis> I dont think oprea is in the repos
[10:17] <cweigle> I didn't mean to post that
[10:17] <cweigle> Yes it is willis
[10:17] <Ivo> opera is not free software ;)
[10:17] <Ivo> so it won't be in the repos
[10:17] <cweigle> Opera is free im getting it right now
[10:17] <simplexio> there is .deb packages in opera site
[10:17] <MrEgg964> simplexio: right! so what should I do? create an rsync account on both computers?
[10:17] <simplexio> work nicely
[10:18] <nvrpunk> how do I script ulimit -HSn 16384 to run at start?
[10:18] <Guest51856> I'm having problems registering a username, so I'm posting a C question here (apologies).  Can anyone help with this: http://rafb.net/p/p7KXye69.html
[10:18] <nvrpunk> if I add it to rc.local it says command not found
[10:18] <Ivo> cweigle: but it's not open source
[10:19] <Dr_willis> i recall opera used to be on medibuntu but dident see it there lately
[10:19] <Ivo> by "free" I mean open source
[10:19] <rww> Dr_willis: it's in Ubuntu's Partner repositoriy, if I remember correctly.
[10:19] <simplexio> MrEgg964: root own all those files so...
[10:19] <cweigle> Ivo, its still in the repos
[10:19] <Ivo> nvrpunk: it might be not in $PATH, so specify the full path to the executable
[10:19] <Dr_willis> rww,  i recall it used to be there..  but i havent checked lately :)  i was testing out the opera beta the other day
[10:20] <kernel> Hi,~
[10:20] <simplexio> opera 9.63 .deb package is latest package
[10:20] <rww> Guest51856: If you need nickserv help, please /join #freenode and ask there. C programming questions are off-topic for this channel; you'd be much better off getting your registration problem sorted and then asking elsewhere.
[10:20] <user____> Guest51856: (maybe) the space between uint8_t and * looks a bit fishy
[10:20] <baz> Dr_willis, so what about this... I have installed locally the ubuntu desktop... this desktop runs programs that are installed on it, it knows what programs to display in the menu based on apt data (right?) and then ofcourse there are utility programs like network manager installed
[10:21] <kernel> Maybe , Can i use the 4 GB RAM in 32 bit??
[10:21] <Dr_willis> kernel,  not all of it will get used. Most. but not all
[10:21] <cweigle> Ok, so does anyone know about a good ruby compiler
[10:21] <baz> Dr_willis, my remote server has apt installed on it
[10:21] <Ivo> kernel: yes
[10:21] <Ivo> enable highmem
[10:21] <Ivo> in the kernel configuration
[10:22] <kernel> kernel recomplie?
[10:22] <doseryder> What's that package/program that gives me the Program launcher at the middle bottom of the screen whcih resembles the one avaibable in OSX?
[10:22] <baz> Dr_willis, is it atleast theoretically possible that my local desktop simply use what is available on the server to run the programs installed on the server
[10:22] <kernel> By the way, if Server kernel use, then Use 4GB RAM?
[10:22] <user____> cweigle: try #ruby and search their channel topic for links to FAQ's etc
[10:23] <cweigle> ok
[10:23] <simplexio> kernel: $ zgrep -i highmem /proc/config.gz
[10:23] <kernel> oh Thanks..
[10:23] <cweigle> Oh and weird thing, the flash bug in Intrepid is nonexistant in opera
[10:23] <simplexio> kernel: if no, then recompile
[10:23] <rww> doseryder: Avant Window Navigator?
[10:23] <cweigle> So if you have a flash item you need to view use opera browser
[10:23] <kernel> simplexio Thanks Very much
[10:24] <Dr_willis> baz,  they run on the server. and appear locally.  the apps wold be accessing the files  on the server.
[10:24] <Ivo> kernel: just download the kernel version you need,
[10:25] <kernel> Ok, Thanks.
[10:25] <baz> Dr_willis, exactly, we are on the same page...
[10:25] <doseryder> rww: ty, I think thats what I need.  What is that "program launher" called?
[10:25] <Ivo> copy /boot/config (or something like this) to .config in the kernel source dir
[10:25] <Dr_willis> baz,  thats what i have been sayinf ro the last hr+ :)
[10:25] <doseryder> i'm referring to it with a wrong term
[10:25] <tweak> what is beryl?
[10:25] <Dr_willis> !beryl
[10:25] <Ivo> then edit .config with your text editor and enable highmem
[10:25] <rww> doseryder: it's called a "dock", according to OS X.
[10:25] <simplexio> baz: yes. there is many ways to do it... mount  /usr/ from server to destop /usr/, then all programs are in server but desktop runs them. or you can use for an example ssh -X user@server and run apps installed in server. in that case programs are run in server but display is on your computer. Also there is ltsp option which is again little different
[10:25] <tweak> kew
[10:25] <Ivo> beryl is a compozing window manager, like compiz
[10:26] <Ivo> but now it's a part of compiz fusion
[10:26] <rww> tweak: one of the parents of Compiz Fusion. You should use Compiz Fusion instead.
[10:26] <doseryder> rww: ty.  u have urself a good day =D
[10:26] <tweak> i'm using compiz... don't know about fusion?
[10:26] <bazhang> tweak, its the same
[10:26] <tweak> o
[10:26] <Ivo> kernel: add CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y to the kernel configuration and comment out "CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM"
[10:27] <tweak> what's a VLC theme?
[10:27] <bazhang> tweak, help in #compiz-fusion
  compiz actually IS 'compiz-fusion' now a days :)
[10:27] <Ivo> tweak: there is no updated distro that uses compiz instead of compiz-fusion :)
[10:27] <baz> simplexio, is mounting /usr a viable safe option!?
[10:27] <kernel> Ivo // Very Thanks, I will use it.
[10:27] <rww> tweak: Compiz is the name of the compositing window manager. Compiz Fusion is the name of the plugins and configuration system it uses.
[10:27] <Ivo> in some distributions, the starting binary isn't compiz, but it's compiz-fusion
[10:27] <Ivo> If it's compiz, it's still compiz fusion :D
[10:28] <simplexio> baz: yes, for using server /usr/ on another computer
[10:28] <tweak> anyone know what a VLC theme is?
[10:28] <rww> tweak: it's a theme for the program VLC
[10:28] <rww> !info vlc | tweak
[10:28] <tweak> oh lol
[10:28] <baz> simplexio, how do i do it?
[10:29] <baz> simplexio, without screwing anything up locally
[10:29] <msl> !man zcat
[10:29] <simplexio> baz: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=249889 ,, and google nfs howto ubuntu
[10:29] <baz> simplexio, ok cool
[10:30] <Djon> Sex Cool
[10:30] <baz> is it ludacris to install the desktop on a server and remote into it? Are there other disadvantages besides the 1.9gb of space consumed?
[10:31] <bazhang> !ru | Djon
[10:31] <Ivo> baz: you should not do this.. just use ssh, not remote
[10:31] <baz> ivo, i have definitly heard that before... but why? windows seems to work with a remoting model...
[10:31] <nathan-_> anyone familiar with atftpd?  I have a weird problem where it simply doesn't start - no errors in syslog
[10:32] <baz> Ivo: is it a security issue?
[10:32] <forces> hi!
[10:32] <tweak> does anyone know how to autoclear the downloads window in firefox?
[10:33] <phnom> Can I start vino without using gnome, if so, how?
[10:33] <rww> tweak: Firefox Preferences > Privacy > uncheck "Remember what I've downloaded"
[10:33] <tweak> rww: Thanks. :)
[10:33] <forces> dos anyone know how can I synchronize my zune with ubuntu?
[10:34] <forces> s/dos/does/
[10:35] <arussel> I am trying to install scim but I don't have the language Support option: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SCIM#Quick Setup , how can I install it ?
[10:35] <vertana> forces: You're outta luck. I've never seen anyone sync a Zune before (unless you google and I'm proved wrong) *shrugs*
[10:35] <baz> is nfs the linux equivalent of samba
[10:35] <forces> :O
[10:36] <nathan-_> lol
[10:36] <sarmisak> baz: no, different protocols but nfs is much faster but windoze machines cannot connect to it properly
[10:36] <sarmisak> baz: if you have a mixed environment, prefer samba
[10:37] <sarmisak> baz: also 'samba' is linux
[10:37] <nathan-_> although if you are using Windows 2003 R2 it can do NFS
[10:37] <mattias_> how can i make wget crawl wikipedia?
[10:37] <baz> sarmisak, thank u
[10:37] <dzup> hi, is there a program p2p compatible with the gtella network? like kazza in windows??
[10:38] <arussel> mattias_: what do you mean ? getting all of wikipidia pages ?
[10:38] <koshari> dzup frostwire
[10:38] <Dr_willis> !p2p
[10:38] <Dr_willis> !gnutella
[10:38] <mylisto> anyone have problems with skype dropping calls in ubuntu
[10:38] <Mohammad[B]> hi all, i have a question about w3m, how to i can refresh a page every 1 minutes in this browser ?
[10:38] <Ivo> mattias_: just "wget [the link]" :D
[10:38] <mictor> ive had a few dropped calls
[10:38] <linduxed> i was wondering what to do if i put in an sd-card into my laptop, and it doesnt recognize it
[10:39] <mictor> after like 3o mins
[10:39] <Ivo> mylisto: it's an internet connection problem
[10:39] <mylisto> there is this hypnosis conference that is going on now
[10:39] <mylisto> and I keep on getting dropped
[10:39] <mylisto> Doub't it Ivo...
[10:39] <mylisto> I've had other conference calls...np
[10:39] <linduxed> any sd project around that google doesnt know about?
[10:40] <dzup> DC++ cant makeit work, isthere a manual?
[10:40]  * Panarchy says Hi
[10:40] <arussel> mattias_: keep it on the chan, this can be of interest to everyone (and usually considered bad manner to pm people you don't know)
[10:40] <mylisto> ivo:
[10:40] <mylisto> what were you syaing
[10:40] <mictor> how long are you calls before you get dropped
[10:41] <Panarchy> Is there any distribution which has only GNOME, Ubuntu icons for GNOME, DPKG, Apt-Get, Network Capabilites, Generic Drivers & the GNOME Terminal Emulator? Or is there a way for me to slim down a distribution to contain just those? As I've been creating my own distribution, and want to start off with only the bare minimum, before adding the features and programs that I want to have on my distribution. But I DEFINITELY need those featu
[10:41] <mylisto> like 2 minutes if that
[10:41] <mylisto> only happens on conf calls
[10:41] <mattias_> fine, w/e...
[10:41]  * sukiminna my connection is so slow rite now :(
[10:41] <mattias_> anyways
[10:41] <bazhang> !minimal | Panarchy
[10:41] <mylisto> there are a few people who are getting dropped
[10:41] <arussel> mattias_: you can make a script the download the main astronomy page and then get link from there
[10:41] <mylisto> this is sooo frustrating
[10:41] <mattias_> how?
[10:41] <Ivo> mylisto: skype is bad...
[10:42] <arussel> but parsing a google search would probably give better result
[10:42] <Panarchy> Thanks, but I've already tried with the Original version, alternate version, server version and minimal version
[10:42] <Koordin> hi. how can i tell to apt-get / aptitude that i don't want this package to be upgraded ?
[10:42] <mictor> do you have video running at the same time?
[10:42] <bazhang> Panarchy, then you have tried them all. those are the choices with ubuntu
[10:42] <Panarchy> Is there any distribution that has only GNOME, Ubuntu icons for GNOME, DPKG, Apt-Get, Network Capabilites, Generic Drivers & the GNOME Terminal Emulator? Or is there a way for me to slim down a distribution to contain just those?
[10:42] <rww> Koordin: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto#Introduction%20to%20Holding%20Packages
[10:42] <arussel> mattias_: what language can you program ?
[10:42] <mattias_> none whatsoever
[10:42] <mattias_> ive had linux for a week
[10:43] <bazhang> Panarchy, please dont keep repeating the same question. you need to do it a non-ubuntu way at this point
[10:43] <arussel> mattias_: :-) that's not a lot
[10:43] <jepong> hello... i'm wondering why transmission won't start download as fast as other bittorrent client like deluge?
[10:43] <mattias_> so cant i do this in wget or smth?
[10:43] <skitzware> Panarchy: Best try Arch... install what you want
[10:43] <simplexio> mylisto: define conference calls. app you use, infra is there * somewhere, does app say why connection was lost
[10:43] <arussel> mattias_: yes but some script knowledge would help a lot
[10:43] <nathan-_> Panarchy: try jigdo, Debian
[10:43] <Koordin> ok thanks rww. and why does apt-get does not upgrade some packages ("have been kept back") whereas aptitude safe-upgrade update them ?
[10:44] <bazhang> Panarchy, you should ask in ##linux as it is offtopic here
[10:44] <mylisto> simplexio:
[10:44] <mattias_> well, if you show me a script, i can generally understand it, but though not write one. yet
[10:44] <mylisto> conference call in skype
[10:44] <rww> Koordin: apt-get and aptitude have different dependency-resolution engines. Perhaps that's why. I'm not sure, though; I only use aptitude.
[10:45] <simplexio> mylisto: its skype problem.. you have it working? mine missbehaves and uses all cpu from one core
[10:45] <khelll> hi guys, i have a problem, the fan of the processor keeps working, and the battery life is only 20 mins, any suggestions?
[10:45] <Panarchy> nathank: jigdo?
[10:45] <simplexio> mylisto: you could try start skype from terminal and see if it gives some error duting call
[10:45] <Panarchy> bazhang: I'm on ##linux and #debian as well
[10:45] <mylisto> how do I do that
[10:46] <simplexio> mylisto: you start terminal and type skype
[10:46] <arussel> mattias_: if you're willing to learn, you probably could do what you want in a couple of day (for learning a scripting language + get your stuff)
[10:46] <linduxed> i was wondering what to do if i put in an sd-card into my laptop, and it doesnt recognize it
[10:47] <mattias_> that is inevitable, however, im in need of a wget spider
[10:47] <mictor> is there an addon for skype to adjust the webcam settings, i have an eee pc 901 and the webcam sucks in low light
[10:47] <Perfex> lin .. first try trbooting with it in,, if not then you have to mount it
[10:47] <simplexio> mattias_: wget -r if i recall it eight
[10:47] <sarmisak> mattias_: you should be able download a complete site with wget, have you checked 'man wget'
[10:47] <khelll> hi guys, i have a problem, the fan of the processor keeps working, and the battery life is only 20 mins, any suggestions?
[10:47] <mattias_> indeed
[10:47] <sarmisak> simplexio: probably that ;)
[10:48] <mattias_> i typed wget --help in terminal
[10:48] <pytychack> sal
[10:48] <Perfex> looked into power settings ? khelll
[10:48] <sarmisak> mattias_: try 'man wget', it's a more complete manual
[10:48] <simplexio> mattias_: google will give you some nice howto for it
[10:48] <arussel> sarmisak: in his case the site is wikipedia. a bit big isn't it ...
[10:48] <mattias_> oh right
[10:48] <mattias_> cool
[10:48] <Panarchy> Ah, Nathan I see what you mean by jigdo. It's not the file size so much that worries me, it's that I'll be adding more programs to it... enough for 700MB CD iso. Eventually enough to completely take up a DVD
[10:48] <sarmisak> arussel: it should be like downloading whole internet, but that's his call :D
[10:49] <Panarchy> So I don't want to have a lot of unneeded programs clogging up space and complicating things
[10:49] <arussel> :-)
[10:49] <Flannel> Panarchy: Please stop asking this.  You have already been answereda number of times.
[10:49] <fallore> is there a program i can use to mess with my partitions? the one i used when i installed ubuntu worked fine, but i dont know how to get it back open
[10:49] <lillyz> hey I have a problem on ubuntu 8.10 amd64 on install it gets to after copy files then it updates time from server and just quits and ubiquity seems to be closing unexpectedly just right after that. Can someone give me any ideas on how to fix. (md5sum on cd is fine, burnt twice now low speed, cd check said no errors i have a 64bit cpu)
[10:50] <Panarchy> Flannel: Well I really need to figure/find all of this stuff out
[10:50] <Panarchy> and the sooner the better!
[10:50] <khelll> Panarchy : there is Power management, but it's all about display and sleep nothing more
[10:50] <skitzware> fallore: install gparted
[10:50] <rww> !gparted | fallore
[10:50] <fallore> thanks
[10:50] <Flannel> Panarchy: You need to do it in the proper channels.  I will not allow you to continue to ask in here.
[10:50] <sarmisak> khelll: maybe you should pop a terminal window and type 'killall trackerd'
[10:50] <shavin> why does my battery indicator on the menu bar disappear sometimes? like when ac shuts down. how do i bring it back on. i tried "adding" battery indicator by right clicking on panel but then that is different from the one existing earlier. And sometimes when the original one comes back on there become two indicators.
[10:51] <sarmisak> shavin: when you see the indicator right click to it, there are settings when to display it
[10:51] <rww> shavin: Have you tried System > Preferences > Power Management > General > Always display an icon.
[10:51] <mylisto> how can I install ventrilo
[10:51] <mylisto> ?
[10:52] <shavin> let me see that
[10:52] <fallore> is it possible to resize a partition? i see the option but it's greyed out
[10:52] <Flannel> fallore: You can't resize mounted partitions.  You'll need a liveCD
[10:52] <fallore> can i unmount it? it isn't my ubuntu partition?
[10:52] <Flannel> fallore: Ah, yes you can.
[10:52] <khelll> sarmisak and what does that suppose to do?
[10:52] <bazhang> !give me a test
[10:52]  * Guest75603 gives me James Dean
[10:52] <rww> fallore: right-click it and hit unmount if it isn't your Ubuntu partition.
[10:52] <fallore> thanks :D
[10:52] <bazhang> Guest75603, disable that script
[10:53] <dzup> !p2p
[10:53] <baz> is there a way to remote into a box using the credentials already on that box? VNC, for example, simply uses its own password that u define rather than accounts already on the computer....
[10:53] <fallore> how do i unmount it with root permission?
[10:53] <rww> fallore: To resize the root partition, you'll need to boot from an Ubuntu or GParted Live CD, as Flannel said.
[10:53] <skitzware> sudo umount /dev/whatever
[10:53] <fallore> nevermind
[10:53] <fallore> i took care of it
[10:54] <shavin> okay i chose 'always display battery indicator' how do i bring it to effect(tge indicator did not come on yet), Do i have to restart??
[10:55] <Panarchy> Flannel: As in John Flannel from the band They Might Be Giants?
[10:56] <timc``> hey - i'm trying to add a in grub to the boot options, but it won't stay (if i go back to the menu, or reboot, it's gone). any ideas?
[10:56] <timc``> i'm trying to add a line*
[10:56] <Dr_willis> timc``,  you are editing the file as root? /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
[10:56] <jepong> hello... i'm wondering why transmission won't start download as fast as other bittorrent client like deluge?
[10:57] <Panarchy> Can the ubuntu icons/visual improvements for GNOME be added to any linux distribution's GNOME?
[10:57] <fallore> jepong: it could be that transmission uses different ports, and so you have ports opened for deluge but not xmission
[10:57] <bazhang> !offtopic | Panarchy
[10:57] <bazhang> Panarchy, please take non-support related questions to #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:57] <Dr_willis> I was thinking ive seen ubuntu-gnome-themes on gnome-look.org
[10:58] <timc``> ah, good call, Dr_willis. let me try that. i was just hitting esc at the grub loading menu
[10:58] <timc``> didn't know the location of that file
[10:58] <Dr_willis> timc``,  err.. editing stuff ont eh grub menus that way will NOT NOT NOT save changes. :)
[10:58] <Panarchy> bazhang: That seems pretty much like the kind of question I can ask on this channel
[10:59] <Panarchy> HOw isn't it?
[10:59] <Dr_willis> timc``,  you must alter the  menu.lst and you can make it where you dont need to hit escape to see the menu also.
[10:59] <pwuertz> hi.. can I install ubuntu to a second partition from a running system using Ubiquity so I don't have to download/boot a livecd?
[10:59] <Flannel> !install | pwuertz
[10:59] <bazhang> Panarchy, this is not about any linux distributions gnome, it is ubuntu support ONLY.  Please take it elsewhere. Thanks.
[11:00] <Flannel> pwuertz: that page (first link) has a number of methods for installingw without a CD
[11:00] <timc``> good :)
[11:00] <pwuertz> Flannel: thanks
[11:00] <Panarchy> bazhang: But I have some questions about the distribution of ubuntu's gnome improvements/icons
[11:01] <Dr_willis> timc``,  back up your original menu.lst just in case also
[11:01] <bazhang> Panarchy, then discuss in #ubuntu-offtopic not here.
[11:02] <rww> Panarchy: and for some light, related, reading material, install the package ubuntu-artwork and read /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-artwork/copyright. If you're planning on redistributing Ubuntu stuff, have your lawyer read it too.
[11:03] <Panarchy> Thanks rww
[11:03] <Panarchy> I'll look into ubuntu-artwork
[11:04] <mattias_> woooo i got it working!!!
[11:04] <mattias_> wget -r -e robots=off --wait=1 <http://address>
[11:06] <Panarchy> What's the command to sort installed packages by size?
[11:06] <Smokey012> What the hell! sorry what is this about plz?
[11:07] <Smokey012> As you may have gatherd by my very technical question that I am new to this
[11:07] <Dr_willis> !irc | Smokey012
[11:08] <Dr_willis> Smokey012,  you are in a chat room with 1000+ other people
[11:08] <Flannel> Smokey012: This is IRC, Internet Relay Chat.  You're in #ubuntu, which is the primary support channel for Ubuntu technical support.  Welcome!
[11:08] <Smokey012> That is what I thought, so where is all the chat lol
[11:08] <froggy_> hello
[11:08] <Smokey012> Hey Froggy
[11:09] <Panarchy> hi froggy
[11:09] <shavin> if i add another battery icon to the menu panel, the original one and the second one show different minutes left to full charge. One is showing 18 minutes until charged and the original one is showing 20 minutes until charged. Howis this happening?
[11:09] <Dr_willis> Smokey012,  well it is 6 am  in the usa :P
[11:09] <Panarchy> What's the command to sort installed packages by size?
[11:10] <Smokey012> Aahhh I see. well 11 am here, so just getting going lol
[11:10] <trancefat> Hi All, can I create a regular backup of a particular folder with a timestamped name for it? If I must do this thru cron then does crontab take a command?
[11:10] <ziroday> shavin: they both get thier battery information from different places. gnome-power-manager also monitors your battery life over time and tries to find a more realistic figure as to how much battery time you have left whilst the other one just reads it straight from the battery
[11:11] <ziroday> Smokey012: you should probably note that this is for support queries whilst #ubuntu-offtopic is just for general chat
[11:11] <Flannel> Panarchy: There is no single command
[11:11] <rww> Panarchy: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=602270
[11:11] <shavin> ziroday: the original one takes it directly from the battery? or the new one?
[11:12] <Smokey012> Aahh I see, well that makes sense then
[11:12] <ziroday> shavin: depends, the one that is blue takes it from the battery and then monitors your battery life over time and tries to make it more realistic. The green one gets it direct from the battery. its recommended you use the blue one
[11:13] <walter> makrele5
[11:13] <Panarchy> Flannel: Actually there is. I just forgot it. Think it was dpkg [then something I forgot] or dpkg--query [then something I forgot]
[11:15] <gnusar> does anyone know where i can find the source of the default panel clock on gnome?
[11:15] <shavin> ziroday: okay i just checked.one is 'Power manager for gnome'. the other one is 'Battery Charge Monitor', Why is one recommended over the other?
[11:15] <baz> whats the name of the command to launch the gnome menu?
[11:15] <ziroday> shavin: power manager for gnome. It should be blue-ish
[11:15] <baz> or the ubuntu menu
[11:16] <shavin> okay thanks
[11:16] <baz> how can u run a program from the terminal but still be able to use the terminal?
[11:16] <ziroday> shavin: any time :)
[11:16] <ziroday> baz: <programname> &
[11:17] <shavin> ziroday: which laptop do u use?
[11:17] <skitzware> gnusar: gconf-editor apps - panel - applets - clock_screen0
[11:17] <rww> baz: put an & at the end of the command (e.g. firefox &)
[11:17] <baz> thanks guys
[11:17] <ziroday> baz: or <programname> & disown which has it so if you close the terminal the program still runs
[11:17] <ziroday> shavin: I use an old thinkpad T60
[11:18] <baz> hmm... i am actually ssh'ing -X into my server and that doesn't seem to work
[11:18] <trancefat> Can I give a timestamped value to a folder name while copying it?
[11:18] <ziroday> baz: after executing the program hit enter for a command line
[11:19] <baz> oh there we go!
[11:19] <Dr_willis> baz,    also read up on bash job controll and the 'screen' program
[11:19] <baz> is it possible to run gnome through ssh -x :)
[11:19] <leoncino240> buon giorno
[11:20] <baz> screen program? reading....
[11:20] <Dr_willis> baz,  you can have the whole desktop  forwareded..
[11:20] <leoncino240> !list
[11:20] <shavin> i think the old machines are the best. the new ones are just so weak to every thing. the old ones are sturdy. I had an assembeld P-III desktop. Its processor fan stopped running, and if my guess is correct it went on for a full duration of indian summer(i cannot be sure) and the processor did not burn. The repair guy said it should have burnt the processor in matter of hours
[11:20] <Dr_willis> baz, X  runs locally... all the apps on on server
[11:21] <baz> Dr_willis, i installed ubuntu-desktop (in my VM)
[11:21] <rww> !ot | shavin
[11:21] <baz> Dr_willis, so i guess everything is there right
[11:21] <Dr_willis> baz,  should be
[11:21] <baz> Dr_willis, u think it will work?
[11:21] <shavin> ubottu: :-)
[11:22] <Dr_willis> baz  it can... but  it may be a bit slow.. Or if the machine is real close ont eh same lan.. You could use XDMCP
[11:22] <BlackAeronaut> Howdy all.  Having a problem with Audacious in Ubuntu Hardy Heron - damn thing won't play MP3s.
[11:22] <baz> Dr_willis, looking into that too now - you are giving me a lot of homework!!! thanks
[11:22] <user____> trancefat: hmm, maybe cp /home/user/tmp/ /home/user/`date`tmp2
[11:22] <Dr_willis> baz,  theres also 'vnc'
[11:23] <ziroday> BlackAeronaut: I trust you have the mp3 codecs installed?
[11:23] <BlackAeronaut> Whoops, scratch that,  I'm on Ibex.  ^_^;;
[11:23] <ziroday> BlackAeronaut: do the files play in Movie Player (totem)?
[11:23] <baz> Dr_willis, vnc doesn't use the local accounts and only logs onto sessions already running - its more like "remote asistance" on windows where i am looking for a true remote desktop
[11:23] <mohamed> I've problem in bidgin messenger it's not want to open after i installed the KED and XFAC ?
[11:24] <trancefat> user____: I need to copy a full directory/ i tried adding -r to the command you gave
[11:24] <baz> whats the command to start gnome?
[11:24] <Dr_willis> baz,  thas 100% incorrect.. :) in many ways...
[11:24] <BlackAeronaut> ziroday: they'll play in Amarok.
[11:24] <baz> "gnome" doesn't seem to be it
[11:24] <bootcamp911> anything wrong MP3 codecs ? > ziroday
[11:24] <Dr_willis> baz,  you can configure vnc to work like that.. or not.. :)
[11:24] <froggy_> hola
[11:25] <ziroday> BlackAeronaut: right, running audacious from the terminal and playing the files shows any errors?
[11:25] <baz> Dr_willis, would i need a different client then? the one that comes with 8.10 has very limited options and a silly manual password to ype in
[11:25] <ziroday> bootcamp911: pardon?
[11:25] <Dr_willis> baz,  you can have totally hidden 'vnc sessions' on the vncserver. or it 'can'  share the currently seen desktop.. or it can spawn vnc sessions on the fly..or you can ssh in and start one...
[11:25] <Ward1983> my friend seems to have a whole lot of trouble getting ubuntu server installed on a software raid aray, is there a common problem or something people commonly miss?
[11:25] <Dr_willis> baz,  any vnc client should work with any vncserver.
[11:25] <mohamed> I've problem in bidgin messenger it's not want to open after i installed the KED and XFAC ?
[11:25] <bootcamp911> mp3 not good? > ziroday
[11:25] <Ward1983> im getting tired of waiting for him to install :p we want to make our servers redundant
[11:25] <froggy_> kiero hacer popo
[11:25] <Dr_willis> baz,  vnc is a very flexiable tool. it does much more then 'share the current desktop' :)
[11:25] <user____> trancefat: man find has excellent examples at the end of the man page. you need to recursively find the files and then pipe them individually trough the "add-date-modifier" and then call the cp command
[11:25] <ziroday> bootcamp911: mp3 is fine
[11:25] <BlackAeronaut> ziroday: haven't tried that yet.  I'm still new to Linux and I haven't gotten the hang of running apps from Terminal.
[11:25] <baz> Dr_willis, interesting again
[11:26] <ziroday> BlackAeronaut: no worries. Just type in audacious and hit enter
[11:26] <ziroday> BlackAeronaut: and if anything comes out copy and pastebin it
[11:26] <bootcamp911> i am change ogg to mp3 tomorrow :-/ .... > ziroday
[11:26] <ziroday> bootcamp911: great
[11:26] <BlackAeronaut> ziroday: wait one.
[11:26] <ziroday> BlackAeronaut: no problem :)
[11:26] <Panarchy> What's the command to sort installed packages by size?
[11:27] <trancefat> user____: can i create a name by installing the timestamp program?
[11:27] <rww> Panarchy: Once again, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=602270
[11:27] <Panarchy> rww:thanks
[11:27] <ThomasRDK> Ubuntu 8.04, ProFTPd, - i can't transfer files with a name in special characters (æøå) through FTP or see them correctly via SSH, they show up like ?? in local terminal and Ã¦ in FTP client, although they show up just fine in Gnome GUI. How do i transfer those files with special characters?
[11:27] <bootcamp911> i hv never use mp3 bf till tomorrow (really) > ziroday
[11:27] <transporter> can somebody help with a good diary software for hardy
[11:27] <Panarchy> rww: Gonna bookmark that site
[11:28] <BlackAeronaut> Internet traffic's murder out here where I'm at.  It's a miracle I'm not getting boote all the damn time.
[11:28] <mohamed> how i can find a Arabic Chat about Ubunto?
[11:28] <ziroday> transporter: you can try almanah, never used it myself but it looks like it does what you want
[11:28] <user____> trancefat: you can include the output of any program aka: "echo today is `date`", where date is the terminal command
[11:28] <Flannel> !sa | mohamed
[11:28] <ziroday> !arabic | mohamed
[11:28] <transporter> ziroday: almanah does not show up in my repos
[11:29] <Panarchy> mohamed: #ubuntu-sa
[11:29] <bootcamp911> @@@@@@@@@@@@
[11:29] <Makdaam> hi, how do I get the current configuration of Xorg? it detects everything automatically and I need to make minor changes to the config
[11:29] <baz> Dr_willis, xdmcp seems to boil down to ssh -X... right
[11:29] <ziroday> transporter: you need to enable the universe repo
[11:29] <trancefat> user____: but that results in a string date format... i was looking at an int
[11:29] <BlackAeronaut> ziroday: http://paste.ubuntu.com/105854/
[11:29] <Yohooo> How to be a hacker?
[11:29] <ziroday> Makdaam: it should be in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:30] <transporter> ziroday: how do i do that
[11:30] <ziroday> !contribute | Yohooo
[11:30] <rww> !hacker | Yohooo
[11:30] <ziroday> transporter: one sec
[11:30] <Ward1983> my friend seems to have a whole lot of trouble getting ubuntu server installed on a software raid aray, is there a common problem or something people commonly miss?
[11:30] <Ward1983> im getting tired of waiting for him to install :p we want to make our servers redundant
[11:30] <Makdaam> ziroday: my xorg.conf has 1 line and it's a newline
[11:30] <trancefat> user____: maybe like i want to copy a folder called project to backups/121093913_project
[11:30] <Dr_willis> baz,  Not really..  xdmcp was around way befor ssh was..   gdm/kdm/xdm can 'query' the network and see what machines are   there and which have xdmcp service.    The effect is similer in ways.. but not the same. also  it is proberly not as secure.. but may be  a little faster
[11:30] <rww> Yohooo: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html is also instructive
[11:30] <user____> trancefat: man date, you need to add control switches, which are not at the top of my head
[11:30] <ziroday> Makdaam: right, well then I have no idea where the config is sorry. The people in #ubuntu-x might know.
[11:30] <Flannel> !raid | Ward1983
[11:30] <koshari> trancefat do you want unix time?
[11:30] <Stalker72> What do I type to join the Kubuntu channel?
[11:30] <Ward1983> thanx a bunch Flannel
[11:30] <trancefat> koshari: yes
[11:30] <rww> Stalker72: /join #kubuntu
[11:30] <Flannel> Stalker72: /join #kubuntu
[11:31] <Stalker72> rww and Flannel: thanks
[11:31] <Makdaam> ziroday: thanks
[11:31] <Ward1983> Flannel, can you explain how LVM is related to software RIAD?
[11:31] <Ward1983> RAID
[11:31] <andi_> can anyone tell me how to install podsleuth?
[11:31] <ikonia> Ward1983: it's not - they are two seperate technologies, which can be used together, or not
[11:31] <Flannel> Ward1983: Sometimes people think of one when they mean the other.
[11:31] <andi_> please. :)
[11:31] <baz> Dr_willis, the document i found is long and thick - is really worth reading or should i better start with: Advanced VNC config, SCREEN, BASH Job Control
[11:31] <ziroday> !universe | transporter please read this
[11:32] <Ward1983> Flannel, ikonia ah ok, so no advantages of LVM with RAID then? its the same as on a signel disk?
[11:32] <ikonia> Ward1983: no - they are not the same thing
[11:32] <ziroday> andi_: its in the repos so sudo apt-get install podsleuth should work
[11:32] <ikonia> Ward1983: there are massive advantages to either system, but both are totally different
[11:32] <ikonia> Ward1983: there is also an administration over head as a draw back
[11:32] <baz> how do u start gnome desktop from a command - is it possible?
[11:32] <rww> andi_: If you're using hardy or intrepid, you can just install the podsleuth package
[11:32] <Ward1983> ikonia, so there's no advantage of using them together if i dont feel like using LVM?
[11:33] <Dr_willis> baz,  learn bash first. :)   its more fundamental.
[11:33] <BlackAeronaut> ziroday: did you get a look at my paste?
[11:33] <ikonia> Ward1983: there are massive advantages to using them together IF you need those advantages
[11:33] <Flannel> baz: That'd depend on your system.. You can try 'startx'
[11:33] <engemec> hi buddy!
[11:33] <ikonia> Ward1983: but the more you use eg: raid = +1 over head, lvm = +1 overhead, raid and lvm = +3 over head in adminstration
[11:33] <ziroday> BlackAeronaut: sorry I forgot, everything looks fine there. And thats after selecting an mp3 file to play?
[11:33] <andi_> rww- thanks!
[11:34] <Panarchy> brb pizza!
[11:34] <engemec> buddies! I would like to reduce my memory ram busy.
[11:34] <Ward1983> ikonia, ok then im not gonan recommend it, thanx
[11:34] <rww> baz: You want gnome-session, I think
[11:34] <BlackAeronaut> No, I don't know how to do that in terminal.
[11:34] <rww> !away > Panarchy
[11:34] <ikonia> Ward1983: both are VERY powerful and can provide amazing benifits IF used in the right way with the right tools
[11:34] <BlackAeronaut> ziroday: No, I don't know how to do that in terminal.
[11:34] <ziroday> BlackAeronaut: no, no not in the terminal. Using audacious, when selecting an mp3 file does do any errors pop up in the terminal?
[11:34] <ikonia> Ward1983: if you don't have a need or use the wrong setup - it can be a real pain and at worst fatal to your system
[11:34] <baz> Flannel, rww, sudo startx (sudo was required) through my ssh -X seemed to start but nothing is visible - i will try gnome-session
[11:34] <Ward1983> ikonia, one more thing: software raid is better / faster then fakeraid right?
[11:35] <BlackAeronaut> ziroday: OH!  Wait one...
[11:35] <Panarchy> !ubottu pizza
[11:35] <ikonia> Ward1983: no - again they are different technologyes, software raid is %100 in the linux kerneal and controlable, fakeraid is a setup of reverse engineered windows driver that (in my opinion) is a disgrace
[11:35] <Panarchy> !pizza
[11:35] <ikonia> Panarchy: stop
[11:35] <engemec> i'm using ubuntu 8.04 without graphics efects and my system using 330mb
[11:36] <Ward1983> ikonia, well its for a home server, mainly to learn, but its also gonna have some KVM VMs running
[11:36] <Ward1983> ikonia, also its a xeon with 8GB or RAM :p
[11:36] <Stalker72> When I try to install Kubuntu using the minimal installer, it says "boot:". What do I do?
[11:36] <Flannel> Stalker72: Hit enter.
[11:36] <Ward1983> ikonia, yeah so fakraid is the best option in linux :)
[11:36] <ikonia> Ward1983: I'd advise against using fake raid for anything, esepcially a learning situation as it is not relevant (again in my opinion) to any real world situation
[11:36] <BlackAeronaut> ziroday: http://paste.ubuntu.com/105855/  Got an interesting looking error here.
[11:36] <ziroday> engemec: you can use top/htop to find out where all the ram is going to
[11:36] <Stalker72> Flannel: OK, thanks! :D
[11:36] <Ward1983> ikonia, i must add though that in windows fakeraid works pretty nice :) i still use windows sometime when i want to play a game
[11:37] <ziroday> BlackAeronaut: hmm it seems to be an error with pulseaudio. Can you play the .ogg files in ~/Examples?
[11:37] <ikonia> Ward1983: as I've said, as a technology, I find it a disgrace
[11:37] <BlackAeronaut> Ziroday: Wait one...
[11:39] <koshari> trancefat date --date="Wed Aug 22 07:51:04 UTC 2007" +%s
[11:39] <BlackAeronaut> ziroday: No ogg in there, but they got an spx.
[11:40] <baz> hehe running gnome-session crashed my desktop
[11:40] <ziroday> BlackAeronaut: thats fine. Does that audio file play?
[11:42] <BlackAeronaut> ziroday: the files won't load.  No messages show up in terminal.
[11:42] <ziroday> BlackAeronaut: right, it seems like audacious isn't working with pulseaudio. You are running intrepid?
[11:43] <engemec> ziroday, i don't undestand. top command show me somethigs, but can't follow it. top command does't show me everything.
[11:43] <BlackAeronaut> ziroday: yes.  I'm not using pulse audio, though.  I got everything pointing to ALSA.
[11:43] <ziroday> BlackAeronaut: when you go to Preferences -> Audio -> Audio System is  the PulseAudio Output Plugin selected?
[11:43] <BlackAeronaut> Ziroday: ALSA Output.
[11:43] <leandroribeiro> Hi you all! Is there any repo that would allow me to install KDE 4.3 on top of Ubuntu 8.04?
[11:44] <fuzzel_>  	irc.abjects.net
[11:44] <engemec> ziroday: everything is important. I will try use fluxbox or blackbox
[11:44] <Ward1983> ikonia, do you happen to know if this will work in a KVM guest? then i can make him a little howto
[11:44] <engemec> ziroday: thanks a lot
[11:45] <rww> leandroribeiro: Did you mean KDE 4.2?
[11:45] <Ward1983> ikonia, (dont have anough disks for raid here)
[11:45] <ziroday> engemec: it shows you the _top_ programs. To sort by memory you can hit F and then n
[11:45] <leandroribeiro> rww: yes! :)
[11:45] <leandroribeiro> misspell
[11:45] <ziroday> BlackAeronaut: can you change it to pulseaudio?
[11:45] <BlackAeronaut> Sure, but that wasn't working before either.
[11:45] <tavish> what command makes the output of some command to show one page at a time
[11:45] <Flannel> tavish: less
[11:45] <BlackAeronaut> ziroday: Sure, but that wasn't working before either.
[11:46] <ikonia> Ward1983: it will work within a kvm guest, however it will work very badly due to the disks being a virtualised disk, common practice is to present a singel disk to a virtual machine that is configured at the host rather than the guest
[11:46] <ziroday> What is the difference between less and more?
[11:46] <imyourdj86> ciao
[11:46] <Ward1983> ikonia, ok doesnt mather if its slow its only to show how to set it up :)
[11:46] <Dr_willis> ziroday,  more is less then less.. and less is more then more. :)
[11:46] <Ward1983> ikonia, plus then i did this once myself i never did it
[11:47] <Ward1983> ikonia, thanx for the info again :)
[11:47] <Dr_willis> ziroday,  more was out years ago.. less came out with more features then more.. :)
[11:47] <rww> ziroday: see the first line of the Description section of "man less" ;)
[11:47] <Solarium> Good afternoon guys
[11:47] <Dr_willis> ziroday,  and less memory/cpu ussage. :)
[11:47] <ziroday> rww: Dr_willis: right, thanks!
[11:47] <Dr_willis> UNIX Command History lessons. :)
[11:47] <BlackAeronaut> ziroday: No such luck.
[11:47] <trancefat> koshari: thanks
[11:47] <ziroday> BlackAeronaut: hmm
[11:48] <Solarium> A little wierd question but i am counting on you :P  There is a debian based distro called satux, does any one know how i turn it to be in english ? (default is brasilian)
[11:48] <ziroday> BlackAeronaut: hmm well it "just works" over here. So I'm really not that sure. Sorry
[11:49] <rww> leandroribeiro: I'm not sure how to do it in Hardy. Try asking in #kubuntu; they deal with this sort of thing more than this channel.
[11:49] <BlackAeronaut> ziroday: It's okay.  I guess some programs are just weird in certain combinations.  *sighs*
[11:49] <leandroribeiro> rww: thanks! I'll do that!
[11:50] <user____> Solarium: does it still login as root by default? http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-691762.html
[11:50] <Solarium> user____, yes
[11:50] <Solarium> user____, yes
[11:51] <Solarium> user____, well i geuss so, it doesn't have terminal installed ^^ and alt+f dont work :D
[11:51] <user____> Solarium: so thats a good reason not to use satux :-)
[11:51] <Solarium> user____, well i have the sis curse @_@ and seems like the satux is the only distro that has 3D support for my VGA card
[11:51] <koshari> trancefat or for current unix time, date +%s
[11:52] <Dr_willis> Solarium,  and what video card is that?
[11:52] <linux_newbie> !su
[11:52] <trancefat> koshari: thanks... thats exactly what i wanted
[11:52] <antonio__> hi
[11:52] <Dr_willis> Solarium,  it would seem odd that its some how doing somthing special to get that card going.. if its using the normal X  packages/drivers...
[11:53] <Solarium> Dr_willis,   SiS 771/671 Mirage 3
[11:53] <trancefat> koshari: so that means i can take a backup of a folder by cp path/to/project path/to/backup/date+%s
[11:53] <DeadPanda> trancefat: cp -r
[11:54] <trancefat> DeadPanda: yes of course...
[11:54] <antonio__> i installed monodevelop and apache on ubuntu, now when i try to build in monodevelop it builds but still wants to run from xsp2, how do i change it so it runs on apache ?
[11:54] <Solarium> Dr_willis, well its a long story that goes like this, sis has 3d driver but wont release it to end users, brasil has some company that makes cheap laptops with same card, and the company develops the satux linux
[11:54] <user____> trancefat: cp path path/backup/`date+%s`
[11:54] <Solarium> Dr_willis, so sis released the driver to them
[11:54] <CCRMAlite> hi I'm trying to use gparted to create a HFS+ partition on my external drive
[11:54] <user____> trancefat: and also what DeadPanda said
[11:55] <trancefat> user____: thanks
[11:55] <CCRMAlite> HFS is blocked out though
[11:55] <Solarium> Dr_willis, from my understanding they have some agreement with sis so they cant release the source code for it
[11:55] <CCRMAlite> and yes the drive is unmounted
[11:55] <koshari> user____ recursive switch,
[11:56] <rww> CCRMAlite: try installing the hfsprogs package.
[11:56] <rww> CCRMAlite: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/features.php claims that gparted needs it to create HFS+ partitions
[11:56] <BattleStarJesus> I am having difficulty with the NVDIA graphics driver.  It only provides me with resolution optins for 640x480 and 320x240, how do I enable more resolution settings?
[11:56] <CCRMAlite> does ubuntu use apt-get?
[11:56] <_2> what's the default boot loader in the new ubuntu ?
[11:57] <_2> CCRMAlite yes or aptitude
[11:57] <_2> !apt | CCRMAlite
[11:58] <_2> so is the default boot loader grub or grub2  ???
[11:59] <Hagge2> Where is a good place to have shared dokuments in the Linux file system?
[11:59] <koshari> trancefat as user____ said but with space between "date" and " +%s
[11:59] <koshari> Hagge2 /var/www
[11:59] <trancefat> koshari: yeah, i just figured that out
[11:59] <_2> Hagge2 or /mnt
[12:00] <trancefat> koshari: do you think can i stick this line in crontab?
[12:00] <msl> Hagge2, I always put it in either /media/stuff or /home/shared
[12:00] <koshari> trancefat cant see why not if it works,
[12:00] <koshari> trancefat make a little script if it dont
[12:00] <_2> Hagge2 /usr/local/documents  would be good
[12:01] <Hagge2> msl: thanks, and set some group rights to apply, cheers mate
[12:01] <trancefat> koshari: can i make the script in a text editor and save it as a .sh?
[12:01] <CCRMAlite> rww: so in short I can install hfsprogs with apt-get right? I'd rather avoid any compiling if I can.
[12:01] <_2> so what's the default boot loader in the new ubuntu ?
[12:01] <mx> hi
[12:01] <Hagge2> _2: thanks, and set some group rights to apply, cheers mate
[12:01] <SlimeyPete> _2: you mean Intrepid, or Jaunty?
[12:01] <koshari> trancefat just make it executable
[12:01] <rww> CCRMAlite: sudo apt-get install hfsprogs should work fine
[12:01] <SlimeyPete> (define "new" :) )
[12:02] <_2> SlimeyPete both
[12:02] <trancefat> koshari: by right clicking and selecting that option?
[12:02] <rww> _2: Umm. Grub.
[12:02] <rww> _2: same as it's been for a while
[12:02] <Hagge2> msl: sorry there too fast on the tab key
[12:02] <SlimeyPete> _2: intrepid uses grub. I presume Jaunty does too but I'm not certain. You could ask in #ubuntu+1.
[12:02] <koshari> trancefat yes and add a comment
[12:02] <_2> rww grub or grub2 ?
[12:02] <trancefat> koshari: comment for me to understand later right? or is it for the crontab
[12:02] <_2> SlimeyPete asking because grub is weak but grub2 has been fixed
[12:03] <koshari> trancefat first like of the script, #!/bin/bash and place the script somewhere in your path
[12:03] <_2> SlimeyPete i use partitionless systems and grub can't be installed there.  grub2 can however.
[12:03] <Flannel> _2: GRUB
[12:03] <koshari> trancefat otherwise create a bid dir in ~/ and restart the session
[12:04] <rww> _2: Not sure, but I think grub. grub2 is in the repositories in intrepid and jaunty, though.
[12:04] <_2> Flannel someone needs to put in a word for grub2,  much more flexable
[12:04] <Flannel> _2: You can use GRUB2, its just not default (also I don't know if its installable during install, but it is in the repos)
[12:04] <koshari> trancefat sorry, freate a "bin" dir in ~/
[12:04]  * piotr is now playing: Nieznany - Nieznany - 10. Angelique Kidjo (Benin) - Bala Bala.mp3 - (3:41)
[12:04] <Flannel> _2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubTwo
[12:04] <Flannel> piotr: Please turn that off
[12:04] <koshari> trancefat tells the editor its a bash script
[12:05] <baz> if u installed ubuntu server (without the desktop), there is no reason to ssh -X into, right?
[12:05] <_2> Flannel ok   and drop a hint about grub2    :)
[12:05] <koshari> trancefat and you for that matter
[12:05] <trancefat> koshari: should the script file be placed inside this bin directory?
[12:06] <koshari> trancefat it dont have to be, anywherein your path so you dont have to call the absolute path to the script, or you can call the absolute path to your script in cron
[12:06] <lianimator> how to get wacom intuos3 buttons working in intrepid?
[12:06] <lianimator> also the eraser and tilt?
[12:07] <root_at> hey, does the ubuntu kernel have block2mtd jffs2 and mtdblock for sure? and does it have the "losetup -f" command?
[12:07] <trancefat> koshari: ok, thanks for your help
[12:07] <koshari> trancefat if you just drom it in your home ~/ will be the absolute path anyrate
[12:07] <sparcio> oh my god just see this http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4638483/Empire_of_the_City___Ring_of_Power___All_Files_            this will tell what's happenning in world
[12:07] <Argus1> can someboby help me with ubuntu instalastion?
[12:07] <koshari> trancefat no worries, bed 4 me now
[12:07] <rww> !warez | sparcio
[12:08] <trancefat> koshari: good night
[12:08] <root_at> hey, does the ubuntu kernel have block2mtd jffs2 and mtdblock for sure? and does it have the "losetup -f" command?
[12:08] <sparcio> AFTER SEEING THOSE VIDEOS YOU PEOPPLE WILL KNOW WHO ARE THE ONES WHO DONT WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW
[12:12] <jason_> ok i got CrossOver pro. 7.1.0
[12:12] <jason_> how i install it
[12:12] <user____> root_at: (you could check the kernel package build file via packages.ubuntu.com)
[12:13] <ziroday> jason_: you need to ask crossover support, we don't support that here sorry.
[12:14] <lyhana8> hi, where are the hisotory of the konsole kept ?
[12:14] <rww> lyhana8: /home/username/.bash_history
[12:16] <lyhana8> rww is there any other ?
[12:16] <NET||abuse> Hi guys, just checking out my little brothers laptop, it's a pretty old(~2003) compaq, running ibex, is there a way to profile the startup time? it's really dog slow
[12:16] <rww> lyhana8: not sure about konsole, but that's the only place they're kept in gnome-terminal
[12:16] <rww> NET||abuse: check out bootchartd
[12:17] <rww> !info bootchart | NET||abuse
[12:17] <NET||abuse> ok, that's a good start, will do, thanks :)
[12:17] <joycetick> how can you get a launcher to execute something in the terminal and then leave the terminal open?
[12:18] <ber2> hi everybody
[12:19] <joycetick> hey
[12:19] <joycetick> not many people on?
[12:19] <primski> i dunno what happened with msn, pidgin, pecan and all this stuff in the last week or so, but somehow between switching to wdl account type, all my contatcs got deleted :o now, no matter what msn client - no contancts - wtf, anyone else with simmilar problem?
[12:20] <joycetick> nope mines all good
[12:20] <primski> weird, made me quit msn altogether, its better this way, waste of time anyways :p
[12:20] <user____> joycetick: create a bash script with two commands: #1: program #2: sleep program
[12:22] <cwillu> joycetick, tack a "; read" on to the end of the line, and the window will stay open until you hit enter
[12:23] <Guest_571nukisen> How To create a wireless connection in 8.10 Ubuntu?
[12:23] <Guest_571nukisen> I Cant reach internet
[12:24] <joycetick> cwillu: thanks that worked
[12:27] <Guest_571nukisen> if i Edit wireless connection i cant save
[12:27] <Guest_571nukisen> The ok button is grey
[12:27] <lesshaste> hi.. I want to use use Data::Dumper; and  use Geo::Google;  in perl.. is there a way to install them using apt-get?
[12:28] <aniket> i need some network health
[12:28] <Guest_571nukisen> maybe you cabn run it in wine
[12:28]  * N3bunel brb
[12:29] <primary_> I am having trouble configuring proper resolution with NVIDIA driver version 173.  I only have two resolutions to choose from.  How do I enable more resolutions?
[12:30] <IceWind> hi! does anyone know the name of an app that list me graphically all the folders and it's sizes?
[12:30] <tvgv> hello everyone i am trying to install beryl on ubuntu eee it can be done and i have installed repository manager but i cannot find it
[12:30] <tvgv> anyone please help???
[12:30] <rww> IceWind: Applications > Accessories > Disk Usage Analyzer
[12:31] <aniket> where can i get network help in IRC..
[12:31] <aniket> im new to it
[12:31] <tvgv> then icewind?
[12:31] <aniket> IRC
[12:31] <aniket> ..
[12:31] <IceWind> rww, alright! It's not installed. Thnaks!
[12:31] <ortsvorsteher> !details | aniket
[12:31] <IceWind> tvgv, ?
[12:32] <tvgv> Anyone nstalled beryl yet?
[12:32] <rww> IceWind: Disk Usage Analyzer is installed by the package "gnome-utils". Try installing that.
[12:32] <rww> !beryl | tvgv
[12:32] <tvgv> yes rww can u help me
[12:32] <rww> aniket: For help with the Freenode network, ask in #freenode.
[12:32] <rww> aniket: (you can get there by typing /join #freenode)
[12:32] <IceWind> rww, i just needed a name! I'm installing it now!
[12:32] <tvgv> i loaded from syn but i cannot find it on the desktop icons
[12:32] <IceWind> :)
[12:33] <tvgv> what and how do u use beryl
[12:33] <rww> tvgv: with what? Beryl? No, because you should be using Compiz instead. If you're using Compiz, install compiz-config-settings-manager
[12:33] <rww> !ccsm | tvgv
[12:34] <primary_> tvgv start here: http://www.compiz-fusion.org/
[12:34] <tvgv> duck im missing the full terminal addy please onlynew to all this like five days lol
[12:35] <primary_>  I am having trouble configuring proper resolution with NVIDIA driver version 173.  I only have two resolutions to choose from.  How do I enable more resolutions?
[12:36] <aniket> ubottu: i need help to configure ad hoc in Ubuntu
[12:36] <tvgv> ok thaat worked now what dudes
[12:36] <ortsvorsteher> primary_: may you try displayconfig-gtk
[12:36] <aniket> help
[12:36] <aniket> ubottu: i need help to configure ad hoc in Ubuntu
[12:36] <emorris> Hi, I'm trying to set up JACK, etc, and have looked around the internet on how to do so, primarily focussing on the page at help.ubuntu.com . I'm on Intrepid, rt kernel. However, I get at least 50 XRUNS per second, however high I increase the Frames/Period. Any ideas?
[12:37] <aniket> ubottu: i tried command "sudo iwconfig wlan0 mode ad-hoc" but facing problem
[12:38] <jajo> hello, how can I download video (format: flash) from webpage?
[12:38] <emorris> aniket: you can click on the network manager icon in the system tray, then click create new wireless network
[12:39] <primary_> ortsvorsteher: what is displayconfig-gtk
[12:40] <ortsvorsteher> primary_: sry, it was a package in hardy to set your resolution for display
[12:41] <Dre4m> Good afternoon people, would someone be able to please point me in the right direction for a MSN compatible program for linux that has webcam support (that doesn't make it look dark and terrible like AMSN) ? thankyou very much in advanced
[12:41] <tvgv> got amsn
[12:42] <quibbler> jajo, try: http://keepvid.com/ , http://vixy.net/ , http://youtubeloader.com/ and many more.... use google to find
[12:42] <tvgv> or skype
[12:42] <ber2> Dre4M: yeah, aMSN would be my choice too
[12:42] <ortsvorsteher> !who | tvgv
[12:42] <primary_> ortsvorsteher:  I am running Xubuntu and I'm not seeing it.
[12:42] <ortsvorsteher> primary_: which distribution? hardy? intrepid?
[12:42] <lillobyte91> italian?
[12:43] <adam7> !it
[12:43] <Dre4m> thankyou guys, . . . the thing is AMSN makes the webcam look unusable you know? . . . awfull cam looks great in xp . . in ubuntu it looks like a joke you know?
[12:43] <primary_> ortsvorsteher: 8.10
[12:43] <primary_> ortsvorsteher: 8.10, is that intrepid?
[12:43] <Dre4m> so im having to dual boot or go back to using windows just to use a webcam which is rediculous . . . any driver tweaks or anythign i can do?
[12:44] <ortsvorsteher> primary_: yes, 8.10 is intrepid. which resolution do you have now?
[12:44] <jajo> quibbler: I have found a few but they are oriented on few servers for video streaming like youtube, and the one which I am interested in is not in list; thanks I try to look at those you mentioned
[12:44] <aniket> help me help me... command for wireless ad hoc connection on ubuntu
[12:44] <emorris> aniket: you can click on the network manager icon in the system tray, then click create new wireless network
[12:45] <quibbler> jajo what is the url you are trying to download?
[12:45] <primary_> ortsvorsteher: resolution is 640x480 but panning 1024x768
[12:45] <toader> Hi, I want to ftp huge files from a server to another server. How to make it to continue to transfer even i disconnect to the server one ?
[12:45] <Dre4m> i cant be the only person  thats had this problem
[12:45] <DkySven> hello people
[12:46] <emorris> Dre4m: I don't think it's to do with AMSN, unless it has options. It's either your webcam or the module for it. I have the same problem with webcam on SKype
[12:46] <ortsvorsteher> primary_: sorry, i have to go now... ask again your complete question please in the channel
[12:46] <DkySven> I've installed ubuntu 8.10 on a laptop and messed around too much with GDM, now if I log in I hear the sound of the desktop, but i see only the background color of the login manager
[12:46] <jajo> quibbler: http://plus.joj.sk/plus-tv-archiv/lampa/08-01-2009/1842394.html
[12:46] <DkySven> how can I fix this?
[12:47] <primary_> ortsvorsteher: thats cool, thanks
[12:47] <user___> Dre4m: frankly speaking, and still meant honest and helpful, people here dont think much about msn, becasue it is the most ms-centric chat protocol. i know that its a peer group issue..
[12:47] <bthompson> hey guys how can i make sure that i see ntfs volumes from programs...for instance when i use amarok i can't see my ntfs volumes where my music is stored...
[12:48] <emorris> bthompson: are they mounted?
[12:48] <wolfgang> ok guys
[12:48] <bthompson> same with open office...yes they are...
[12:48] <wolfgang> I think ubunt messed up my windows installation
[12:48] <emorris> odd
[12:48] <toader> HI, anybody know how to make ftp continue to work even i disconnect to server??
[12:48] <bthompson> emorris, i guess open office is fine amarok only looks at /
[12:48] <aniket> emorris: thanx for the reply but i need a terminal command.
[12:49] <emorris> bthompson: it should be in /media
[12:50] <toader> hi,  how to make ftp continue to work even i disconnect to the server????
[12:50] <user___> toader: wikipedia mentions the "reget" command in the ftp-article
[12:50] <bthompson> ah ok..
[12:50] <yue> Hi, I'm using wubi on one machine and want to transfer the installation into another machine, what should I do?
[12:50] <Neremor> hello!
[12:50] <user___> toader: search for string "REST"
[12:50] <Neremor> i've a problem with alsa
[12:50] <Neremor> http://www.onlyfree.de/php/pasteservice/show.php?id=16817
[12:50] <bthompson> emorris, thats my problem possibly..give me a sec..
[12:50] <Neremor> this configuration file works, that means i hear sound out of my 4 boxes
[12:51] <BattleStarJesus> I am running Xubuntu and having trouble configuring proper resolution with NVIDIA driver version 173.  I only have two resolutions to choose from.  Currently the resolution is 648x480 and panning 1024x768.  How do I enable more resolutions?
[12:51] <Neremor> but the sound has the same loudness out of every box
[12:51] <bthompson> emorris, that is my problem...
[12:51] <wolfgang> I can't boot windows or ubuntu, I just get the blue screen of death or a "starting up" message from ubuntu that never goes anywhere, I'm running off the live disk and I can't access anything
[12:51] <DkySven> when using dpkg-reconfigure I get 'invoke-rc.d: initscript gdm, action "reload" failed
[12:51] <DkySven> what does that mean?
[12:51] <wolfgang> anyone?
[12:51] <Neremor> the front-boxes should be louder than the rear boxes
[12:52] <user___> DkySven: "gdm" is the gnome display manager == login screen
[12:52] <minghags> Hello, can anyone help my with that problem: "apt-get: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"?
[12:52] <DkySven> I know
[12:52] <user___> ok :-)
[12:52] <miik> how can ubuntu servers be so fast? i download a 691 mb ISO file in 1 minute, at 10.7 megabyte/s
[12:52] <DkySven> but what does the error file mean?
[12:52] <DkySven> error emssage*
[12:53] <wolfgang> anyone know how I can access my windows partion from ubuntu when my win partion wont boot from bios?
[12:53] <emorris> bthompson: ubuntu mounts stuff in /media by default, but shows it in the 'Computer' location. However, some apps don't know about this so you have to point them directly to /media
[12:54] <baz> is ok to use emacs on a production server?
[12:54] <tvoet_> anyone know how i can re-install iptables ufw without internet access?
[12:54] <CCRMAlite> I'm trying to use gparted to create a HFS+ partition on an external harddrive
[12:54] <aniket> what is the command for setting up an adhoc connection in Ubuntu
[12:54] <tvoet_> it's not on the download cd
[12:54] <aniket> what is the command for setting up an adhoc connection in Ubuntu ?
[12:55] <CCRMAlite> I loaded the hfsprogs utility
[12:55] <glymph> baz: that depends how you use it
[12:55] <CCRMAlite> but this has only made hfs appear to be available
[12:55] <minghags> "apt-get: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" I had downgraded my gcc compiler to 3.3 and lot of my programs need 4.X but i don't know where to get it manually, I don't know if that is the problem but i assume
[12:55] <siddu_teja> how to keep my wall paer fixed
[12:56] <bthompson> emorris, next question...i have 3 160 gb drives...i just came from a windows world...so bare with me...i completely wiped out windows an am loving ubuntu by the way...i want to convert the other 2 drives that are ntfs...to linux....im used to just formating the whole things ntfs and make folders and saving data on those drives..do i just do the same thing with ubuntu and format them and create ext3..
[12:56] <baz> glymph, it is not pure console requiring some gui libs - is that recommended? A lot of people for example do not recommend installing the desktop
[12:56] <CCRMAlite> when I try to format the partition to hfs it says "error filesize can't be bigger than 2gb"
[12:56] <minghags> anyone can help?
[12:56] <emorris> bthompson: yep, although Ubuntu can read ntfs too
[12:56] <CCRMAlite> which doesn't make sense since there are no files and I'm formatting
[12:57] <glymph> baz: there is an entirely text-based version of emacs
[12:57] <rascal999> i have a tablet computer and im wondering if making it alternate between the battery and mains would save power, and, if so, are there any programs out there that let me do this
[12:57] <baz> glymph, oh really, how do i fire it up?
[12:57] <CCRMAlite> as for HFS+, which is what I really want, I can't even TRY formatting to that
[12:57] <emorris> emorris: although if you wanted to install linux on them, they would need to be a linux filesystem for example ext3
[12:57] <glymph> baz: search the repositories for the relevant package, there are several
[12:57] <CCRMAlite> even though the utility I installed is supposed to be for HFS+
[12:58] <bthompson> emorris, so is there even a need to do that?  I guess what would be the benefit of me moving on that data around so i could get to ext3 on all my drives..
[12:58] <glymph> baz: I would imagine "nox" (as in no X) would suffice
[12:58] <baz> glymph, installing 26mb for gedit on a remote production server is not something people do is it?
[12:58] <emorris> bthompson: you only need to use a linux filesystem if you want to put linux on it
[12:58] <emorris> installl linux on it **
[12:59] <glymph> 26 MB is a tiny amount of data by today's standards.
[12:59] <baz> glymph, emacs22 or emacs21?
[12:59] <emorris> bthompson: unless you want the benefits of ext3...
[12:59] <bthompson> emorris, ok thats cool..i guess it would be go to leave the one drive ntfs as it is a portable drive that i often take to a friends house...he wouldn't be able to read it...
[12:59] <bthompson> emorris, what would be the benefits...
[13:00] <baz> glymph, i agree 26mb is very little - even 2gb is very little when you have terrabytes but for some reason people highly suggest not to install the desktop
[13:01] <james|> they say dont install desktop not because of space but because of security
[13:01] <james|> dont install stuff you dont need to have
[13:01] <badboy111> a little help please. can somebody point me to the apt-get sourcelist for ppc. pls
[13:01] <james|> plus you shouldnt be editing files on a production server anyway
[13:01] <emorris> bthompson: no need to defrag, journaling support (less likely to become corrupted), quieter
[13:01] <CCRMAlite> anyone familiar with gparted?
[13:01] <baz> james|, you should edit locally and deploy?
[13:02] <CCRMAlite> and hfs+ partition formats
[13:02] <james|> baz: yes, via your configuration management/tracking and version control tool
[13:02] <daredevilthere> How do i convert songs from wma to mp3 in ubuntu
[13:02] <james|> baz: so you know *exactly* what state that production server is in, so you can rebuild a new one if necessary
[13:02] <dayo_> baz: if u have a test server do it there. or, at least backup before editing
[13:02] <baz> james|, does that include apache conf?
[13:02] <bthompson> emorris, well that sounds like a lot better option to me then...is there anyway for a user to read ext3 in windows...maybe if i put an app on the portable drive that they have to install...
[13:03] <fernando> alguem anda por ai?
[13:03] <james|> baz: it includes anything you changed / added from the bare server install - changes to ssh config, apache config, new directories, extra server mounts, etc
[13:03] <armadillio> anyone know how to do a shared connection between wireless and ethernet?
[13:03] <user___> badboy111: #ubuntu-powerpc (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat)
[13:03] <baz> james|, i use svn for versioning - are there any other suggested tools for conf files?
[13:04] <bthompson> anybody have any idea how to make amarok your default music player.....i tried to go system and preferred application and putting in the command line but it still opens totem..
[13:04] <mattias__> i made a recursive download with wget, and when i open one of the downloaded webpages and click on a link, it says the page is not found, although the page is in the same dir with the other page i tried to acces it from.
[13:04] <quibbler> daredevilthere, look here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=37793
[13:04] <daredevilthere> quibbler: thanks
[13:05] <emorris> bthompson: Ext2Fsd, but I think it must be installed rather than run from the disk. If you still need Windows to access it on a regular basis, you may as well stay with NTFS though.
[13:05] <mattias__> where is file:/// ?
[13:05] <user___> mattias__: does the html source code contain an absolut or relative link?
[13:05] <emorris> mattias__: /
[13:05] <dayo_> bthompson: right-click on your media file and click 'Open with other app'. Then make default
[13:06] <mattias__> err, i think relative. I told wget to convert links for offline use
[13:06] <bthompson> emorris, its not a regular basis...maybe 2 times a year..i have taken it to a friends how to copy movies on to or whatever...
 yes... errm
[13:06] <emorris> well it's up to you i guess
[13:07] <ubuntu> hi. can anyone tell me if there is a program that i can use to see the speed, signal level of my wireless connection ?
[13:07] <CCRMAlite> anyone familiar with gparted?
[13:07] <ubuntu> for now i'm using the live cd
[13:07] <baz> i installed RoundCube (mail web interface) thru apt-get... how can I know "where" it is, so to speak - that is how to run it, if it integrated with apache, etc.
[13:07] <tvgv> is shell terminal? y or n
[13:08] <user___> y
[13:08] <tvgv> ?
[13:08] <tvgv> ty user
[13:08] <bthompson> dayo_, it didn't ask me to make it default..
[13:08] <emorris> ubuntu: you can see the speed in system monitor (System>Administration>System Monitor>Resources tab)
[13:08] <daredevilthere> how can i decorate tty consoles with images?
[13:09] <DeadPanda> baz: dpkg -L 'package-name'
[13:09] <dayo_> bthompson: when u right-click to open with a different app, there's a checkbox at the bottom left that says 'Make default'
[13:09] <bthompson> dayo_, i don't see that option...
[13:09] <dayo_> bthompson: bottom left of the app-chooser menu
[13:09] <dayo_> bthompson: which ubuntu?
[13:09] <user___> daredevilthere: you mean *.png, etc. or ascii graphics?
[13:09] <baz> DeadPanda, cool!
[13:10] <ubuntu> emorris: thanks
[13:10] <bthompson> dayo_, 8.10
[13:10] <DeadPanda> baz: You're welcome :)
[13:10] <bthompson> dayo_, only option i have is use a custom command..
[13:10] <daredevilthere> user___: anyone would do . do u knw how?
[13:10] <BattleStarJesus> I currently have a video resolution crisis and after searching forums I have discovered that there is a solution here: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Latest_Nvidia_Dapper#PROBLEMS_SECTION but that page is no longer.  I am trying to find where it has gone or if there is a new site with the same information.
[13:10] <bthompson> dayo_, and there is a list of applications...i select amarok..and nothing else comes up..
[13:11] <baz> how can u search the filesystem thru terminal
[13:11] <dayo_> bthompson: below that custom command should be 'Use as default for this kind of file'. In 8.04 at least :/
[13:11] <bthompson> dayo_, nope i don't see that option..
[13:11] <dayo_> bthompson: that's weird. hmmm. hang on
[13:11] <bthompson> dayo_, i wonder if it is because im opening from ntfs volume
[13:12] <dayo_> bthompson: ?
[13:12] <bthompson> dayo_, well i copied to desktop..and still nothing..
[13:13] <hyperair> how advisable is it to use a separate partition for /etc
[13:13] <whocares> God Day All!
[13:13] <bn43> hi I have a konica minolta fax scanner printer 2900 I need to get working on ubuntu
[13:13] <bn43> can anyone help please?
[13:14] <dayo_> bthompson: i'm stumped. no idea why it won't show 'Use as default app' :-(
[13:14] <user___> daredevilthere: gnome terminal: edit -> profiles - edit - background..
[13:14] <ezerhoden> bn43: System > Administration > Printing
[13:15] <bthompson> dayo_, i just looked at an install of 8.04 i have on an old machine and it doesn't have the option either...
[13:15] <whocares> got a problem with media player in Firefox i cant get the music to play from my radio station web site it shows it is playing (streaming) but no sound
[13:15] <bn43> ezerhoden: yeah I got that far - printer is recognised but no driver for it
[13:15] <FloodBot1> !netsplit
[13:15] <bn43> been trying generic pcl drivers - printer says receiving but does not print
[13:16] <dayo_> bthompson: that's creepy. what desktop are u using on the 8.04?
[13:16] <whocares> Hey ezerhoden  dont you be in Mepis channel too
[13:17] <bthompson> dayo_, gnome
[13:17] <ezerhoden> whocares: yes, i have idled in there for years
[13:17] <whocares> its me Barber bill
[13:17] <ezerhoden> whocares: cut my linux teeth with mepis
[13:17] <bn43> ezerhoden: did u get my last message?  printer recognised but no driver
[13:17] <whocares> me too
[13:18] <ezerhoden> bn43: sorry, look on manufacturers website for a linux driver. i dont know if cups does not have one listed
[13:18] <ezerhoden> whocares: i remember you
[13:18] <bn43> um ok cool
[13:18] <bn43> does anyone else have experience with konica minolta printers?
[13:19] <toader> Hi, how to nohup ftp? thanks
[13:19] <whocares> ezerhoden, can you help me with this got a problem with media player in Firefox i cant get the music to play from my radio station web site it shows it is playing (streaming) but no sound
[13:19] <ikonia> bn43: he gave you pretty sound advice
[13:19] <bn43> ikonia: I've looked and no driver
[13:19] <dayo_> bthompson: have u tried this: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Intrepid#Associate_default_applications
[13:19] <ikonia> whocares: what player is it using ? a flash based one?
[13:19] <leleobhz> someone can tell-me if its possible to change the arch of a system?
[13:19] <ikonia> bn43: have you checked if it's supported at all ?
[13:19] <jrib> toader: why not use screen?
[13:19] <whocares> I got banned from there you know
[13:19] <toader> jrib: what is screen?
[13:19] <jrib> !screen | toader
[13:20] <jrib> leleobhz: only by reinstalling
[13:20] <whocares> didn't like my old name bibleman Bill
[13:20] <bn43> this particular printer is not listed as supported
[13:20] <leleobhz> i think can be done changing apt arch and using aptitude to reinstall all packages
[13:20] <leleobhz> its possible?
[13:20] <ikonia> bn43: ok - so there is your answer
[13:20] <whocares> I dont know that player
[13:20] <ikonia> leleobhz: you can't change architechture
[13:20] <ikonia> whocares: do you want to give us the website so we can see which player ?
[13:20] <bn43> but I've learned that that does not necessarily mean it does not work under linux - someone may have found a way
[13:20] <leleobhz> ikonia: why?
[13:20] <bn43> which is why I'm asking here
[13:21] <ikonia> bn43: if it's not supported - it won't work as there will be no driver for it
[13:21] <ikonia> leleobhz: because you can't
[13:21] <whocares> http://www.encouragementfm.com/_pages/main.php?station=kgly
[13:21] <bthompson> dayo_, no..thanks i will review and try
[13:21] <ikonia> leleobhz: the two different archs work in different ways
[13:21] <user___> leleobhz: the kernel is arch dependent. its the fixed root of the whole system
[13:21] <leleobhz> forget the kernel
[13:21] <whocares> i think flash
[13:21] <the[V]oid> omg it took me about half an hour to kill them all -,- http://evoid.de/page/devblog/?p=207
[13:21] <leleobhz> i need only know if can i reinstall all userland with another arch
[13:21] <whocares> BRB
[13:22] <ikonia> leleobhz: no - you can't
[13:22] <jrib> leleobhz: reinstall the operating system.  That is the only supported way to change arch
[13:22] <user___> leleobhz: how is userland going to work without the appropiate kernel?
[13:22] <whocares> ok back
[13:22] <leleobhz> Linux zorg.leleobhz.org <IP_ADDRESS>-xen #7 SMP Sat Jan 17 08:22:19 BRST 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[13:22] <ikonia> whocares: I can listen to it fine, it must be a codec issue, let me see if I can find out what its steaming with, out of interest have you got all the audio codecs installed
[13:23] <leleobhz> the kernel is amd64 (ive compiled it to support xen)
[13:23] <ikonia> leleobhz: showing us your uname output won't change anything
[13:23] <leleobhz> user___: so my problem now is only userland
[13:23] <ikonia> leleobhz: you can't do it -
[13:23] <whocares> I think i do
[13:23] <ikonia> !codec | whocares
[13:23] <shahrooz> Hi guys
[13:23] <shahrooz> I need a quick help
[13:23] <ikonia> whocares: worth checking those
[13:24] <whocares> Will give it a try
[13:24] <ikonia> whocares: worth checking at leasst
[13:24] <shahrooz> HOW I CAN INSTALL WINE ON A NETLESS PC ?
[13:24] <ikonia> shahrooz: you don't need to use caps lock
[13:24] <ikonia> shahrooz: use a CD install media
[13:25] <r_nato> Hi can someone help me ? I m a brazilian !!!
[13:25] <srv> "sudo apt-get update" returns "Failed to fetch http://ir.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid-updates/main/source/Sources.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch" but "sudo aptitude update" completes with no error! what's wrong?
[13:25] <jrib> !offline | shahrooz
[13:25] <leleobhz> r_nato: and...?
[13:25] <jrib> shahrooz: please don't use caps
[13:25] <shahrooz> ok !
[13:25] <shahrooz> what's wrong !
[13:25] <dayo_> r_nato: there's nothing wrong with being brazillian. embrace your brazillianness
[13:25] <quibbler> r_nato, can't help you with that
[13:25] <shahrooz> What cd ?
[13:26] <srv> shahrooz: salam
[13:26] <ikonia> shahrooz: the one available from http://www.ubuntu.com
[13:26] <r_nato> leleobhz, my ubuntu didnt leave me install programs
[13:26] <shahrooz> srv: salam ikonia: you mean Ubuntu CD !?
[13:26] <ikonia> shahrooz: yes - the ubuntu install cd as I said
[13:26] <baz> anyone have an image of a working Ubuntu/Postfix/Dovecot/OpenLDAP/SpamAssasin/ClamAV?
[13:26] <whocares> i have installed ichthux desktop on ubuntu Ce 8.04
[13:26] <tvgv> omg
[13:26] <r_nato> whit the apt-get its ok
[13:26] <ikonia> baz: working exim/dovecot/openldap/spamassisin setting here
[13:27] <shahrooz> ikonia: i have it ! but there is no wine
[13:27] <r_nato> but if i download some program and try install
[13:27] <transmissiond-pr> hello
[13:27] <r_nato> i got a problem
[13:27] <srv> shahrooz: mitooni package e wine ro besoorate file e .deb download koni o ba'd nasbesh koni, albatte fekr konam kolli dependency dare
[13:27] <r_nato> let me see the messege
[13:27] <transmissiond-pr> i have a proble with transmissiond
[13:27] <baz> ikonia, can i have it :)
[13:27] <shahrooz> srv: dl kardam vali mogheye nasb , koli dl kard !
[13:27] <dayo_> r_nato: pastebin.com
[13:28] <ikonia> whocares: ubuntu CE is not supported here as it's not packaged by the official ubuntu development team
[13:28] <shahrooz> ikonia: i download deb file from getdeb but when i install it , it going to dl another fils !
[13:28] <whileimhere> Can anyone tell me how to use the command line to copy a whole dir of files to another folder?
[13:28] <baz> i really like linux but windows is soooooooooooo much easier
[13:28] <dayo_> r_nato: or http://paste.ubuntu.com
[13:28] <whocares> I have got both ubuntu and kubuntu the restricted ones
[13:28] <jrib> whileimhere: cp -a
[13:28] <whileimhere> thanks
[13:28]  * Panarchy says Hi
[13:28] <Panarchy> Is there any distribution that has only GNOME, Ubuntu icons for GNOME, DPKG, Apt-Get, Network Capabilites, Generic Drivers & the GNOME Terminal Emulator? Or is there a way for me to slim down a distribution to contain just those? As I've been creating my own distribution, and want to start off with only the bare minimum, before adding the features and programs that I want to have on my distribution. But I DEFINITELY need those featur
[13:28] <ikonia> whocares: cp -R source destination
[13:28] <jrib> baz: what are you finding difficulty doing?
[13:28] <shahrooz> ikonia : Hello !!
[13:28] <transmissiond-pr> i have 3 process with diferent pid 2 aways sleeping and 1 running
[13:28] <ikonia> shahrooz: yes ?
[13:29] <jrib> !minimal | Panarchy
[13:29] <shahrooz> ikonia : :) i told you my problem
[13:29] <dayo_> Panarchy: eeeewww gnome. Xubuntu is were it's at! :P
[13:29] <r_nato> look the terminal just say it for me ... make: ** [install-dirs] Erro 1
[13:29] <shahrooz> ikonia: how can help me ?
[13:29] <dayo_> uh oh
[13:29] <user___> baz: the linux learning curve is steeper, once you have mastered it, you will love unix
[13:29] <simplexio> baz: so you started suing computers sowhere 95.. for old dos/4dos people linux is much easier and faster to use
[13:29] <user___> exactly
[13:29] <simplexio> baz: s/suing/using
[13:29] <ikonia> shahrooz: you need to download the dependencies too - see the note that jrib asked ubottu to show you
[13:30] <jrib> r_nato: what are you trying to install exactly?
[13:30] <ugliefrog> im still new and i love it...still have to learn new things but I can say its great
[13:30] <jrib> !away > dayo_away
[13:30] <BattleStarJesus> What channel do I go to for Ubuntu chat?
[13:30] <dayo_> how do i view the PM?
[13:31] <shahrooz> ikonia: ok jrib: hi , where i can download the WINE dependencies ?
[13:31] <dayo_> i'm still newbish when it comes to irc, u know?
[13:31] <ardchoille> !ot | BattleStarJesus
[13:31] <simplexio> after windows get something good as bash and easy unix like filesystem using i can consider changing back. i mean has anyone ever tried move whole desktop & settings folder to another harddisk ?
[13:31] <jrib> shahrooz: did you see the message ubottu gave you?
[13:31] <shahrooz> jrib: no !
[13:31] <jrib> !offline > shahrooz
[13:31] <dayo_> jrib: how do i view the PM?
[13:31] <baz> jrib: i'm definitly doing something complicated - installing mail server, ldap, spam block etc... but i must say if u do it in windows, and you have no idea what you are doing, something pops up in the startmenu, you likely click configure, it guides you thru an expert system (wizard) asking you to configure stuff that 99.9% people need - u may look up a couple of things here and there for clarification but thats it - and thats without havi
[13:31] <baz> ng prior knowledge of what u are doing! just a rant sorry
[13:32] <tvgv> advanced-desktop-eeepc:
[13:32] <tvgv>   Depends: kicker (<=4:<IP_ADDRESS>-1) but 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy2 is to be installed
[13:32] <tvgv>   Depends: ksmserver (<=4:<IP_ADDRESS>-1) but 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy2 is to be installed
[13:32] <tvgv> ????????
[13:32] <shahrooz> ubottu : yes, now
[13:32] <FloodBot1> tvgv: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:32] <ikonia> tvgv: they are called dependencies
[13:32] <tvgv> how do i fix them mate
[13:32] <Ward1983> ikonia, i can see now why he is so confused, that link you gave me is total crap, its not clear at all
[13:32] <jrib> dayo_: depends on your client
[13:32] <Ward1983> that was the same link i gave him
[13:32] <ikonia> Ward1983: which one ?
[13:32] <dayo_> jrib: irssi over screen
[13:33] <ikonia> Ward1983: which link, I don't remember giving you one
[13:33] <zetheroo> is there an app that I can use to do a thorough scan of a hdd?
[13:33] <zetheroo> looking for bad sectors etc ..
[13:34] <shahrooz> jrib: now i have a shell script file, how i can use it !?
[13:34] <Ward1983> ikonia, installing on software raid
[13:34] <Ward1983> ikonia, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID
[13:34] <jrib> shahrooz: what method are you using?  How did you generate the shell script?
[13:34] <ikonia> Ward1983: I agree those links are very bad, I'm in the process (as of yesterday) of re-writing them
[13:34] <ikonia> Ward1983: there will be new ones by the end of the weekend
[13:35] <dayo_> does anyone know how to view PMs with irrsi?
[13:35] <shahrooz> jrib: synaptic package manager -> file -> generate ...
[13:35] <dayo_> irssi*
[13:35] <Ward1983> ikonia, wow nice :)
[13:35] <ikonia> dayo_: use alt+left/right arrors to scroll the windows
[13:35] <viki44> how can I install WavaAccess PCMCIA using terminal
[13:35] <jrib> shahrooz: now you use the script on another debian/ubuntu system that has internet access
[13:35] <Ward1983> ikonia, the thing thats not very clear is swap, is that just spreak over the array aswell? (RAID5)
[13:36] <shahrooz> jrib: the another system i told , has no internet access !
[13:36] <ikonia> Ward1983: if you make it on a raid 5 array - yes it's spread out
[13:36] <dayo_> ikonia: thank u! :o)
[13:36] <hp> 有臺灣的朋友在么。。。
[13:36] <ikonia> !jp | hp
[13:36] <unop> shahrooz, you need atleast one system that is connected to the internet.
[13:36] <Ward1983> ikonia, ah thanx, i think / hope i understand the rest more or less
[13:36] <ikonia> Ward1983: ask if your not clear
[13:36] <jrib> shahrooz: you have to generate the script on the system that has no internet access.  Then you use the script on a system that does have internet access
[13:36] <baz> how come running 'ps' in my ssh session only shows "bash" and "ps"
[13:36] <shahrooz> unop : :D
[13:36] <unop> shahrooz, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OfflinePackageDownload
[13:36] <CCRMAlite> anyone familiar with gparted?
[13:36] <shahrooz> unop : sorry pal but the another system has no modem
[13:36] <Ward1983> ikonia, if i understand correctly i just setup the same partitioning layout on all disks to start with?
[13:36] <dayo_> ikonia: and how do i send PMs?
[13:36] <jrib> baz: you probably want something like: ps -ef
[13:36] <rtew4535> baz: try  ps x  or  ps aux
[13:36] <baz> how can i know if my mail server process is running
[13:37] <unop> shahrooz, do you have any computers that have internet access??
[13:37] <quibbler> zetheroo, fsck
[13:37] <maxbaldwin> dayo_:  /msg <user> <message>
[13:37] <iJoh> CCRMAlite, how familiar? :o
[13:37] <ikonia> dayo_: use the "/msg $username" command
[13:37] <shahrooz> unop : ye , my pc
[13:37] <ruhaan_jslip> is there a way to sync my ipod touch to ubuntu?
[13:37] <unop> shahrooz, so use that PC to download the packages then
[13:37] <ruhaan_jslip> or a data transfer wud do fine to
[13:37] <ikonia> Ward1983: what level of raid are you using (just to be clear)
[13:37] <baz> ps -ef sure does show it
[13:38] <jrib> ruhaan_jslip: jailbroken?
[13:38] <ruhaan_jslip> nope
[13:38] <Ward1983> ikonia, just software raid
[13:38] <dayo_> ikonia: great. thank u!
[13:38] <shahrooz> unop : ! i want install wine or another software on a internet-less pc
[13:38] <Ward1983> ikonia, and RAID5
[13:38] <ruhaan_jslip> i am running the stock firmware
[13:38] <shahrooz> unop: no my pc !
[13:38] <ruhaan_jslip> 2.2
[13:38] <jrib> ruhaan_jslip: what version?
[13:38] <Ward1983> ikonia, RAID5 over 4 disks to be specific
[13:38] <bsusa> hello
[13:38] <jrib> ruhaan_jslip: then no, not without jailbreaking afaik
[13:38] <ruhaan_jslip> darn
[13:38] <ruhaan_jslip> even running windows in a VM wont work?
[13:38] <unop> shahrooz, yes, on your ubuntu machine - generate the shell script - take that shell script to the machine which has internet access, use it to download the packages - take the packages back to your ubuntu machine and install them
[13:39] <ikonia> Ward1983: ok - so your partitions don't have to be the "same" just as much disk as you want to use
[13:39] <unop> shahrooz, does that make things clearer now?
[13:39] <bsusa> could someone help me please, when i play videos they get out of sync. how can i fix this?
[13:39] <jrib> ruhaan_jslip: the 1.x hash used by apple was broken, but the 2.x hash, people are still working on (and apple doesn't help)
[13:39] <bthompson> dayo_, i don't know i don't see any of these options under system administration...
[13:39] <shahrooz> unop : yes , now, thanks
[13:39] <Ward1983> ikonia, that sounds confusing again lol
[13:39] <baz> in the ps help, what is a ttys: "x  processes w/o controlling ttys"
[13:39] <unop> shahrooz, i've written some instructions here - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OfflinePackageDownload
[13:39] <jrib> ruhaan_jslip: you might be able to do it with a vm with wondows like you said, but I've never tried
[13:40] <shahrooz> unop : i should select for example wine on aother system and generate script and dl it by my pc ?
[13:40] <Ward1983> ikonia, oh wait no i understand i think :)
[13:40] <hp> 。。。。。
[13:40] <jrib> !tty | baz
[13:40] <bthompson> dayo_, i don't have system -> administration -> advanced or file association...
[13:40] <Ward1983> ikonia, you mean if i decide to use half of the deisk as raid and other half as regular partition thats possible?
[13:40] <LeChacal> I am new to compiling programs from source and I was wondering if i could compile from source a version of a program that I made changes to but still leave the version that I got from the repository installed and have both work. If so how would I go about doing that?
[13:40] <baz> ah
[13:40] <pwuertz> Flannel: hm.. these instructions https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromLinux have lots of errors.. there are path inconsistencies and some vital steps are missing completely... I would not recommend that to people searching for a installing guide
[13:40] <ikonia> Ward1983: mirroring your partitions have to be the same as it's a "copy" 5 is spanning multiple disks so your partitions could be 1 meg, 1000000meg and 20 meg, and you'd just have them all added together
[13:40] <unop> shahrooz, yea, if you want to install wine on that system .. and your PC is the machine that is connected to the internet.
[13:40] <ikonia> Ward1983: thats it' - correct
[13:40] <jrib> LeChacal: put your version in /usr/local/
[13:40] <shahrooz> unop : gott
[13:41] <shahrooz> unop : thank you so much
[13:41] <Ward1983> ikonia, so if i decide to make a partition with mount point /boot i need to do it 4 times?
[13:41] <Ward1983> ikonia, also 4 times boot flag?
[13:41] <jrib> !defaultapp | bthompson
[13:41] <CCRMAlite> ijoh: familiar enough to make HFS+ partitions
[13:41] <ikonia> Ward1983: no no no
[13:41] <Ward1983> ikonia, lol ok thats what i tohught, the confusing part :p
[13:41] <ikonia> Ward1983: first thing to know is /boot cannot be raid 0 or raid 5 - keep that in mind up front
[13:41] <SMEPTb> òåñò ....  ìåíÿ âèäíî ?
[13:42] <LeChacal> jrib: how would i do compile and have it end up in  /usr/local/?
[13:42] <SMEPTb> êîäèðîâêà íàìàíàÿ?
[13:42] <ikonia> Ward1983: you make the partitions as you want on the disk, then you make a "virtual" partition spanning the physical partitions, you then put the mount points you want on your virtual partiton, so it doesn't matter the layout of the "real" partition
[13:42] <baz> ikonia, he does have to make identical partitions on each drive...
[13:42] <jrib> LeChacal: usually you can pass --prefix /usr/local/ to ./configure.  Why do you want to do this?
[13:42] <jrib> !ru | SMEPTb
[13:42]  * jrib guesses
[13:42] <ikonia> baz: no he doesn't for raid 5
  ñïñ)
[13:43] <bthompson> jrib: thanks so much
[13:43] <NooKia> why is ubuntu using xorg 1.6 if on the xorg page states 7.4 ?
[13:43] <jrib> SMEPTb: what language?
[13:43] <baz> ikonia: sorry, not necessarily identical but he does have to make all the partitions he needs manually
[13:43] <Ward1983> ikonia, he means the size i think :)
[13:43] <SMEPTb> ru
[13:43] <ikonia> Ward1983: the size doesn't have to be the same
[13:43] <jrib> SMEPTb: /join #ubuntu-ru
[13:43] <SMEPTb> os
[13:43] <SMEPTb> ok
[13:43] <Ward1983> ikonia, wtf :s
[13:43] <baz> ikonia, Ward1983, but its much prettier when the size is identical :)
[13:43] <ikonia> Ward1983: come on, don't need that sort of langauge
[13:44] <baz> Ward1983, how many drives u got?
[13:44] <ikonia> baz: it really doesn't matter
[13:44] <Ward1983> ikonia, so one 1GB disk with 1 TBdisk and one 500GB one can be raid5 ?
[13:44] <LeChacal> jrib: i need to remove the timestamping ability of wget to use it in one scrip, but i still want to get official updates for it when they come out.
[13:44] <NooKia> why is ubuntu using xorg 1.6 ? on the xorg site states 7.4 ?
[13:44] <NooKia> why is ubuntu using xorg 1.6 ? on the xorg site states 7.4 !
[13:44] <CCRMAlite> ijoh are you still with me?
[13:44] <Ward1983> ikonia, lol i type it before i realise, this is the only channel im going to that freaks about that word...
[13:44] <jrib> LeChacal: you really need to recompile for that?
[13:44] <ikonia> Ward1983: they can, but the parity will be limited to the smallest disk
[13:44] <iJoh> CCRMAlite: I am, but I can't find any answers anywhere :p
[13:44] <CCRMAlite> right on
[13:45] <maxbaldwin> Nookia: Don't be flooding. We saw your post, wait until someone else has an answer. or look it up yourself if nobody know.
[13:45] <Ward1983> ikonia, lol yeah thats what i thought
[13:45] <maxbaldwin> *knows
[13:45] <Ward1983> so the size ideally is the same
[13:45] <LeChacal> jrib: yes that is what i got from talking to the people in the wget irc channel. wget has a bug in it that does not allow you to turn off timestamping
[13:45] <jrib> NooKia: please don't repeat.  Ubuntu does use xorg 7.4.  1.6 is the version of the xorg-server iirc
[13:45] <ikonia> Ward1983: in terms of not wasting space, yes that is better, sorry I should have made that clear
[13:45] <NooKia> xorg-server iirc ?
[13:45] <NooKia> whats that ?
[13:45] <Ward1983> ikonia, no problem its very clear now
[13:45] <jrib> NooKia: if I recall correctly
[13:45] <CCRMAlite> actually I would settle for anyway of partitioning an HFS+ format
[13:45] <CCRMAlite> on an external
[13:46] <CCRMAlite> without erasing the volume
[13:46] <CCRMAlite> and without using osx
[13:46] <jrib> NooKia: ubuntu has 1.5.2 from X -version.  Not sure where you are getting 1.6
[13:46] <baz> Ward1983, one thing that ikonia said that is very important is that grub can't read RAID5, so u know what u need to do?
[13:46] <howtoo> hello, I've got a problem with an old laptop here. I had ubuntu installed on it, and it worked like a charm for a couple of months. Then I got what I thought was a harddisk crash due to being an old harddisk in an old computer
[13:46] <Ward1983> baz, offcourse else i would ask :)
[13:46] <NooKia> o mean the new release
[13:46] <NooKia> i mean the new release
[13:46] <howtoo> got a new HD, and it crashed again after a week
[13:46] <baz> Ward1983, what?
[13:46] <jrib> NooKia: what new release?  8.10 is the newest release
[13:47] <NooKia> its not
[13:47] <NooKia> its jounty
[13:47] <NooKia> rc3
[13:47] <howtoo> is there any known problems with ext3fs on ubuntu?
[13:47] <ikonia> NooKia: thats not released, and is supported in #ubuntu+1
[13:47] <ikonia> howtoo: no
[13:47] <Ward1983> baz, i do not need to prove to you i understood ikonia 's explenations do i?
[13:47] <jrib> NooKia: yes, it is.  jaunty won't be released until april.  Jaunty is for development
[13:47] <howtoo> ok
[13:47] <howtoo> hmm
[13:47] <baz> Ward1983, i am curious, there are different ways
[13:47] <Ward1983> baz, im testing this in a virtual envirenment, dont worry im not screwing up my system
[13:47] <CCRMAlite> will os x install on anything other than HFS+?
[13:47] <iJoh> CCRMAlite: it seems to me that GPartEd can create HFS+ easily, but yours is greyed out?
[13:47] <bn43> does the live cd support printing? via cups?
[13:47] <jrib> NooKia: apt-cache policy xserver-xorg will show you the version of xorg
[13:47] <howtoo> wierd to get bad blocks on a brand new hard disk
[13:47] <NooKia> so if it wasnt release what was it ?
[13:48] <baz> Ward1983, haha, i'm not testing u man, trying to learn myself
[13:48] <NooKia> its out to download
[13:48] <ikonia> NooKia: a development platform that is discussed in the channel #ubuntu+1
[13:48] <ikonia> NooKia: please join #ubuntu+1 to talk about jaunty
[13:48] <Ward1983> baz, lol ok it looked like you were
[13:48] <NooKia> its out to download so it has been released
[13:48] <Ward1983> baz, wait untill im done, ill make a screenie :)
[13:48] <iJoh> CCRMAlite: Probably some other mac format like HFS, so the answer must be a sort of "no". You can create a FAT32 partition and repartition that with an OS X DVD with the disk utility
[13:48] <CCRMAlite> yes iJoh
[13:48] <bhaskark> hi, just now i updated my system to 8.10, but my System freezes before login screen, any help?? btw i removed compiz and compiz-core
[13:48] <maxbaldwin> no, beta's out for download, NooKia.
[13:48] <baz> Ward1983, okidoki
[13:48] <jrib> LeChacal: ok.  Your other option is to just edit the wget source package from ubuntu.  But if you really want two version, one with timestamping and one without then installing to /usr/local/ is the way to go
[13:48] <CCRMAlite> and I installed the hfsprogs utility
[13:48] <CapriCoRN^80> i have installed cairo-dock but i am not getting it working
[13:48] <iJoh> CCRMAlite: At least, that's what I've tried
[13:48] <calaveraDeluxe> hi all, i have
[13:49] <calaveraDeluxe> oops
[13:49] <maxbaldwin> or the Alpha I think.
[13:49] <CapriCoRN^80> i did its settings
[13:49] <toader> jrib: My case is: I ssh to server 1, then server 1 need to ftp upload file to server 2. Now I disconnect to server1, how to make server1 continue to upload files to server2. But Screen seems not be able to achieve this.
[13:49] <NooKia>  pasted from DW 2009-01-16  	NEW • Development Release: Ubuntu 9.04 Alpha 3
[13:49] <jrib> toader: screen can do that.  What did you try?
[13:49] <LeChacal> jrib: yes because i have another script that uses timestamping and since i cant use an option to just turn it off i need two versions
[13:49] <CCRMAlite> iJoh I don't know of anyway of using disk utility to convert fat32 to HFS+
[13:50] <NooKia> its a development  RELEASE
[13:50] <CCRMAlite> not without erasing data on the volume
[13:50] <toader> jrib: so, I issue screen command on my computer, or on server1?
[13:50] <jrib> LeChacal: you may not want to put the new wget binary in /usr/local/bin/ since then it will be preferred to the "standard" one and some programs may need the timestamping
[13:50] <iJoh> CCRMAlite: Yes, you'll lose everything on the FAT32 because you're going to format it again, into HFS+
[13:50] <maxbaldwin> Nookia: go to #ubuntu+1 and discuss it. This is for 8.10 only.
[13:50] <CCRMAlite> no iJoh I mean on the volume
[13:51] <CCRMAlite> I have a seperate partition on the same volume
[13:51] <baz> every mail server tutorial integrates with MySQL but someone in this channel the other day highly suggested against using MySQL as a store for email... what are people's general thoughts on this? does it add an unnecessarily complex dependency for little reward, or is it fine to use MySQL for the store?
[13:51] <jrib> toader: you ssh, you run screen, you do whatever you need to do with ftp, you disconnect.  Screen stays running and you can even ssh back and reattach the screen later if you want with 'screen -r'
[13:51] <CCRMAlite> there is a fat32 partition and an ms-dos partition with windows files
[13:51] <LeChacal> jrib: ok thank you
[13:51] <CCRMAlite> I don't want to lose my windows files
[13:51] <maxbaldwin> CCRMAlite: then back them up to a server, USB, or a CD or something.
[13:52] <CCRMAlite> using disk utility I would have to change my 'volume scheme'
[13:52] <CCRMAlite> this external IS my backup lol
[13:52] <iJoh> hmm, maybe it's a while since I've tried disk utility then :o
[13:52] <CapriCoRN^80> ?
[13:52] <toader> jrib: ok, thanks. I will try
[13:53] <CCRMAlite> I could potentially back up the windows files but I was trying to avoid it
[13:53] <maxbaldwin> you should always back up files. :\
[13:53] <iJoh> CCRMAlite, but I tried creating an HFS+ partition once (tried OSx86 project) by formating a FAT32 into HFS+ on my HDD - Which also contained a windows partition. I did not break anything
[13:53] <ikonia> NooKia: please stop discussing it here
[13:53] <ikonia> NooKia: I won't ask again
[13:53] <calaveraDeluxe> hi all, i have trouble connecting to my airport express, it worked flawlessly the last few month, and today it just stoped working. it asked me for the password, i retyped and it didn't work. i removed the protection, now it can connect but all i can do send out one ping, after that i do not get any response whatsoever. could someone point me to where to start looking?
[13:54] <CCRMAlite> it would be exceptionally nice if there were a way to re-partition, keep the data, and be compatible between windows, mac, and linux.
[13:55] <badserii> Hi. How to make such that all files created by a user to be of speciffic permissions. Thank you!
[13:55] <CCRMAlite> yeah I managed to do that with a sony vaio umpc but I can't remember how
[13:55] <CCRMAlite> I think it was because it was a special type of os x install
[13:55] <CCRMAlite> maybe if I can find that disc I'll be able to do it with that
[13:55] <user___> badserii: file from the past of the future?
[13:56] <jrib> badserii: set the umask you want
[13:56] <jrib> badserii: though user___ asks a good question you should answer
[13:56] <iJoh> CCRMAlite, a patched OS X install?
[13:56] <CCRMAlite> yeah
[13:56] <badserii> user___: from future
[13:56] <CCRMAlite> sorta
[13:56] <user___> badserii: so jrib was 100% correct :-)
[13:57] <CCRMAlite> it has to do with bridging the gap between PPC and intel
[13:57] <CCRMAlite> the basis of the osx86 project
[13:57] <Ward1983> ikonia, it keeps telling me i dont have defined a root filesystem but thats the raid array
[13:57] <badserii> user___ , jrib:Thank you!
[13:57] <ikonia> Ward1983: have you made a / file system mount point on the raid array ?
[13:57] <Ward1983> ikonia, cannot seem to tell it the muntpoint of the raid array
[13:57] <ikonia> Ward1983: your using the alternative cD to install yes ?
[13:57] <Ward1983> ikonia, nope i cannot fidn where to do that
[13:58] <ikonia> Ward1983: your using the alternative CD to install yes ?
[13:58] <Ward1983> ikonia, server
[13:59] <Ward1983> ikonia, (server also supports soft raid)
[13:59] <ikonia> Ward1983: so you've made multiple partitions in the partitioner, and then made a device (say md0) across those devices, yes/no
[13:59] <Ward1983> ikonia, yep
[13:59] <Ward1983> ikonia, oops i mean yes :p
[13:59] <ikonia> Ward1983: so in that same menu you should be able to mark /dev/md0 as say / file system
[14:00] <Ward1983> ikonia, ok then i just nee to look better :p thanx
[14:00] <tvgv> how do i add keys through terminal
[14:00] <tvgv> ???
[14:01] <ikonia> Ward1983: if your really stuck hang on until the weekend ends when I have the document finished, its just turned out to be bigger updates than I thought
[14:01] <ulisse> 'lo guys
[14:01] <tvgv> uli u know much mate
[14:01] <tvgv> ??? reposi
[14:01] <ulisse> why isn't there any trace of airprime modue in ubuntu 8.10? is there a module that replaces it?
[14:02] <mattgriffin> when i set the Login Window to automatically log me in, i get a window to auth my keychain. there isn't a "remember" option. is there a way to get it to remember my keychain password. i think it prompts me b/c it needs it to log into my wifi connection at home. thanks.
[14:02] <iJoh> CCRMAlite, I uncovered some more. Seems HFS+ must be at the end of a volume
[14:03] <clarks> anyone know about evolution mail?
[14:03] <scunizi> mattgriffin, is this machine accessable by anyone else?
[14:03] <Stalker72> I accidentally removed the menu bar. How can I restore it?
[14:03] <maxbaldwin> clarks: lots of people do. what do you need?
[14:03] <mattgriffin> scunizi: i'm the only user
[14:03] <whileimhere> Is there an easy way to take about 100 files and make the file names all lower case?
[14:03] <scunizi> mattgriffin, 'cause you realize that doing that is a security risk?
[14:04] <quibbler> Stalker72, right click on panel add menu bar
[14:04] <clarks> maxbaldwin, i need the email that avaible for evolution other than gmail..
[14:04] <oholiab> whileimhere: give me a minute and I can help you with that
[14:04] <tvgv> matt griffin from shepp
[14:04] <unop> mattgriffin,  set a blank passphrase for the keychain - it seems to be the only solution
[14:04] <mattgriffin> scunizi: yeah. i'm willing to take the risk. this is just a play computer (dell mini) at my home.
[14:04] <Stalker72> quibbler: thanks
[14:04] <bhaskark> hi, just now i updated my system to 8.10, but my System freezes before login screen, any help?? btw i removed compiz and compiz-core
[14:04] <whileimhere> oholiab cooool
[14:04] <tvgv> matt are u from shepp
[14:05] <oholiab> whileimhere: Are they all in the same directory with no files you DON'T want to change in?
[14:05] <clarks> maxbaldwin, you know?
[14:05] <scunizi> mattgriffin, System>Admin>Login Window should have the option to do that.
[14:05] <mattgriffin> tvgv: in chicago
[14:05] <mattgriffin> scunizi: awesome. thanks.
[14:05] <unop> whileimhere, cd directory && rename '$_ = lc' *
[14:05] <maxbaldwin> clarks: your looking for a webmail that's compatible with evoluion other that gmail?
[14:05] <tvgv> ok cool
[14:06] <clarks> maxbaldwin, yes..you know?
[14:06] <yakuz> I installed ubuntu and then created a partion to install win xp on. Then xp always booted but I fixed it so now Grub is booting. And I added xp in the menu.lst file but when I try to boot from it I get -Error13: invalid or unsupported executable format. I think it might be that I said the xp to be hd0,0 but I think that is where my ubuntu ext3 partion is. How can I see which my ntfs partion is?
[14:06] <Ward1983> ikonia, no ill probably manage just fine :)
[14:06] <scunizi> mattgriffin, np, yw
[14:06] <maxbaldwin> I dunno... I don't use evolution, but I guess if you get msn there's an email package for that.
[14:06] <ugliefrog> is compiz bad?
[14:06] <maxbaldwin> no
[14:06] <maxbaldwin> not at all
[14:06] <tvgv> uglie i dont know i just installed
[14:07] <tvgv> cant activate
[14:07] <scunizi> ugliefrog, sometimes it behaves badly and you have to give it a timeout
[14:07] <Ward1983> ikonia, if i get it to work ill send you some usefull screenshots or movies of the process so you can add them in your manual if you feel like it
[14:07] <tvgv> ikonia have u got vids for this stuff it would be a real help
[14:07] <ugliefrog> k whew just turned it on see what it does all ive noticed is the windows when u drag them
[14:08] <ugliefrog> i c
[14:08] <scunizi> yakuz, sudo fdisk -l will show all your partitions
[14:08] <Ranakah> how can i change path where is wtmp file?
[14:08] <tvgv> how did u turn it on uglie
[14:08] <unop> whileimhere,  or:  cd directory && for i in *; do j=$(tr [A-Z] [a-z] <<<"$i");  mv "$i" "$j"; done
[14:08] <tvgv> UGS how u turn on mate
[14:08] <scunizi> yakuz, but remember that sda2 for grub is really hd(0,1)
[14:08] <ugliefrog> under system go to apperance
[14:09] <unop> whileimhere, make a backup of your files first tho.
[14:09] <ugliefrog> preferences then to appearance
[14:09] <tvgv> yes then
[14:09] <simo_> hello every1, i need some help with xubuntu panels. Is this the right place?
[14:09] <scunizi> !ccsm | ugliefrog
[14:09] <ugliefrog> then visual effect
[14:10] <ugliefrog> sweet ill try it
[14:10] <tvgv> so install simple-ccsm'
[14:10] <tvgv> is it sudo apt get install
[14:11] <kertak> hi
[14:11] <quibbler> simo_, yes
[14:11] <whocares> still Have problem with sound
[14:11] <pipegeek_> How does uname determine your hostname?  What it's reporting (localhost.localdomain) is not what's in /etc/hostname, or what's returned by 'hostname'.
[14:11] <scunizi> tvgv, if you want to find the package name then you could apt-cache search <package>, otherwise it's easier to use synaptic to search for the two different ccsm's
[14:11] <pipegeek_> ever since I upgraded to intrepid.
[14:12] <unop> pipegeek,  hostname --fqdn  #perhaps
[14:12] <simo_> quibbler, great man- can you please help me?
[14:12] <kertak> exit
[14:12] <quibbler> simo_, what is the problem?
[14:12] <yakuz> scunizi: thanks for the command. I only have one hdd so it's always hd0,0 ? or is hd0,1 another partion etc? This is my menu.lst http://pastebin.com/d192f52ce
[14:12] <tvgv> scunizi my problem is the gaps mate here i need videos sent for this stuff
[14:13] <tvgv> im going crazy
[14:13] <simo_> in the past i used ubuntu and it was very easy to move around cursors in gnome panel
[14:13] <yakuz> scunizi: and this is what I get from fdisk -l http://pastebin.com/d6514bec6
[14:13] <pipegeek_> unop, thx
[14:13] <simo_> prob with xubuntu is that i cannot put icons in panels wherever i want
[14:13] <leinad_> Hi there, is there any distro that still support php4 (i does not want to compile apache by myself with php4 support - need distro with packages) ????
[14:13] <oholiab> whileimhere: Are they all in the same directory with no files you DON'T want to change in?
[14:14] <Jampiter> Hi
[14:14] <quibbler> simo_, right clicking you can't choose move?
[14:14] <Stalker72> Is there a way to make everything in (K)ubuntu run with GStreamer? My speakers don't work with anything else than OSS.
[14:14] <yakuz> scunizi: so I should write (hd0,1) ?
[14:14] <unop> oholiab, i've given him a couple of suggestions already
[14:14] <Jampiter> How do I change the computer name? I mis-spelt it ¬¬
[14:14] <unop> !hostname | Jampiter
[14:14] <scunizi> yakuz, with one drive it will always be known as sda<something>... the <something> represents the partition.  grub starts counting at 0 (zero), so the first partiiton on the drive would be sda1 or hd(0,0), the second would be sda2 or hd(0,1), etc.
[14:15] <Jampiter> Thanks unop :)
[14:15] <simo_> quibbler, I did but it wont place the icon whereever i please, it will stack it on the left
[14:15] <simo_> basically it stacked one icon after another
[14:15] <elostio> leinad php4 is supported until 6.10
[14:15] <whocares> My sound from cd Plays but system sounds dont
[14:15] <yakuz> scunizi: ah okey. then it's not strange that I get an error. sda2 is my ntfs partion so I will replace it with hd0,1 in the menu.lst
[14:15] <yakuz> going tro try it now
[14:16] <whocares> and the web site dont work either
[14:16] <whocares> my cd playes with rythem box
[14:16] <quibbler> simo_, if you add a new icon it may go to the left but normally if you then right click choose move then move your mouse it should move for you
[14:16] <scunizi> yakuz, might work. typically it's much easier to install windows first then ubuntu and you'll avoid this mess.. windows really likes to be the first thing on the drive (install order as well as location on the harddrive)
[14:17] <simo_> quibbler, Yea I know at least thats what i use to do in ubuntu and it worked
[14:18] <scunizi> tvgv, so you want to install ccsm?  from the terminal?  easier to go to System>Admin>Synaptic Package Manager
[14:18] <simo_> but here it just wont work i tried many times
[14:18] <whocares> when i test the sound sytem that works
[14:18] <oCean_> simo_: when you right-click the icon, does menu appear, and option "lock to panel" is ticked?
[14:18] <tvgv> yer broi di i got that running
[14:19] <oholiab> unop: fair enough :)
[14:19] <tvgv> but how do i make it work do i retart my comp
[14:19] <whocares> ezerhoden, can you help me with this got a problem with media player in Firefox i cant get the music to play from my radio station web site it shows it is playing (streaming) but no sound
[14:19] <quibbler> simo_, i,m using ubuntu and i thought the xubuntu acted the same.
[14:19] <whocares> my cd playes with rythem box
[14:19] <whocares> when i test the sound sytem that works
[14:19] <scunizi> !who |  tvgv
[14:19] <whocares> My sound from cd Plays but system sounds dont
[14:19] <whocares> !sound
[14:19] <chilli0> Hello all
[14:20] <simo_> "lock to panel" is not there in xubuntu, Xubuntu uses xfce instead of gnome
[14:20] <tvgv> scunizi> you mate
[14:20] <chilli0> Avm stays on top of my windows, and i have set it to go under them
[14:20] <scunizi> tvgv, couple questions... did you enable the restricted driver in System>Admin>Hardware drivers (if you have an ati or nvidia, possibly another)?
[14:20] <oCean_> simo_: ah, ok.
[14:20] <tvgv> scunizi> after u tick things how do u make it work
[14:20] <simo_> its quite fast but this prob is making me crazy
[14:20] <bazhang> tvgv, check the keybindings
[14:21] <tvgv> i have an ubuntu eee 4g
[14:21] <tvgv> scunizi> sorry
[14:21] <chilli0> Avm stays on top of my windows, and i have set it to go under them
[14:21] <quibbler> simo_, you could try in #xubuntu
[14:21] <tvgv> scunizi> i have an ubuntu 4g
[14:21] <tvgv> so its possibly another
[14:21] <tvgv> intel
[14:21] <quibbler> simo_, maybe it is different!
[14:22] <simo_> thanx quibbler, I'll go there and see what happens
[14:22] <tvgv> scunizi> soz
[14:22] <ikonia> tvgv: 4g ?
[14:22] <scunizi> tvgv, what's an ubuntu 4g?
[14:22] <simo_> cya
[14:22] <whocares> !soundBlaster
[14:22] <tvgv> scunizi> check out ubuntu eee
[14:22] <ikonia> tvgv: what are you talking about ?
[14:22] <ikonia> tvgv: what is ubuntu 4g ?
[14:22] <scunizi> tvgv, oh an eeeeee pc right?
[14:22] <tvgv> scunizi> i run a human netbook
[14:22] <tvgv> scunizi> i run wine
[14:23] <scunizi> tvgv, so you're looking for the cube?
[14:23] <tvgv> scunizi> yes man that cube
[14:23] <bazhang> tvgv, is this eeebuntu, netbook remix, base install or full install; or is it just straight up ubuntu
[14:23] <tvgv> scunizi> ubuntu-eee
[14:23] <scunizi> tvgv, did you install the full ccsm or the light version ?
[14:23] <kane77> is it possible to grep for some string and output also couple of lines before and after found line?
[14:24] <bazhang> tvgv, which version of eeebuntu
[14:24] <tvgv> scunizi> yes
[14:24] <tvgv> scunizi> full install 2.5g
[14:24] <oCean_> kane77: yes, use -C option (=context, see man grep)
[14:24] <tvgv> its from ubuntu-eee.com
[14:24] <kane77> oCean_, thank you!
[14:24] <scunizi> tvgv, no .. I mean the full or light version of ccsm.. compiz config settings manager
[14:25] <bazhang> tvgv, normal kernel or one from array.org
[14:25] <calaveraDeluxe> I'm still having trouble connecting to my airport express, i get an ip (<IP_ADDRESS>), my airport is at <IP_ADDRESS>, i can ping it but i only get 3 or 4 reply's, after that there is nothing. if i reconnect i get again 3-4 replys, than all goes silent. does anyone know wehre to start looking?
[14:25] <oCean_> kane77: moment, not sure if i gave right option.
[14:25] <tvgv> scunizi> sorry um dont know seems big
[14:25] <tvgv> scunizi>um dont know not array from youtubelol
[14:25] <bazhang> calaveraDeluxe, you have encryption set or no
[14:25] <kane77> oCean_, yes, that does what I need
[14:25] <oCean_> kane77: yes it is. -A is for lines After, -B is for lines Before.. C = both
[14:25] <scunizi> tvgv, k. go to system>preferences>advanced desktop settings manager
[14:26] <calaveraDeluxe> usally yes, but i have removed it to see if that is the problem, but no luck
[14:26] <bazhang> calaveraDeluxe, what wifi chipset
[14:26] <scunizi> tvgv, then in the "Desktop" section enable "cube"
[14:27] <calaveraDeluxe> an intel one, let me have a look
[14:27] <bazhang> calaveraDeluxe, open a terminal and type ifconfig what entries are there
[14:27] <bazhang> calaveraDeluxe, something like wlan0 ?
[14:27] <Jack_Sparrow> tvgv, On the first page  put check next to rotate cube and desktop cube.. dbl click general options... up closer to the top...  click on desktop size  and set them to 4, 1 and 1  top to bottom... ctrl+alt+(Left Mouse Button) then move mouse
[14:27] <calaveraDeluxe> it always worked, it stoped to do so this morning
[14:27] <tvgv> scunizi>ok cool i have a problem with one thingback soon
[14:28] <Jack_Sparrow> oCean_, Can you give an example of that -c etc.. very cool..
[14:28] <tvgv> jack sparrow>
[14:28] <bazhang> calaveraDeluxe, I have one of those as well, sometimes they need a restart to get them going again (the airport dongle)
[14:28] <tvgv> jack sparrow>this is a killer
[14:28] <scunizi> Jack_Sparrow, that explaination should be accessable from ubutto :)
[14:28] <calaveraDeluxe> bazhang: nope, eth0 and eth1 . eth1 got the ip address
[14:29] <oCean_> Jack_Sparrow: well "grep -C 2 <string>" also outputs 2 lines before and after the line where the string is found
[14:29] <whocares> God Day Jack_Sparrow
[14:29] <tvgv> jack sparrow>will it work in a net book theme or do i have to change
[14:29] <scunizi> Jack_Sparrow, from something like !rotate
[14:29] <Ranakah> how can i change path where is wtmp file?
[14:29] <Jack_Sparrow> scunizi, I have the whole thing I use .. one sec
[14:29] <bazhang> calaveraDeluxe, try bringing down eth1 and bringing up again then sudo dhclient eth1
[14:29] <Jack_Sparrow> scunizi, Install ccsm  sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager Next go to system...pref..advanced desktop effects....  On the first page  put check next to rotate cube and desktop cube.. dbl click general options... up closer to the top...  click on desktop size  and set them to 4, 1 and 1  top to bottom... ctrl+alt+(Left Mouse Button) then move mouse
[14:29] <ikonia> Ranakah: you'd have to rebuild that package, it's hardcoded
[14:29] <Ranakah> okay tnx
[14:29] <scunizi> Jack_Sparrow, nice..
[14:29] <Jack_Sparrow> scunizi, the other one I use is for animations.. one sec
[14:30] <Jack_Sparrow> For Animations like Burning windows..Open CCSM  Under Effects.. Enable Animations and Animations add-ons... Close CCSM, Reopen CCSM, Double click Animations.. You will see tabs for Open, Close, Minimize etc... On the tab marked Open Select.. New.. Where it says open Effect Select... Burn.. Set Duration to 150.. For Window Match.. Type (type=Normal | Menu | PopupMenu | DropdownMenu | Dialog | ModalDialog)
[14:30] <whocares> How do i get mixer in terminal
[14:30] <scunizi> tvgv, shouldn't make a difference
[14:30] <bazhang> whocares, alsamixer
[14:30] <ikonia> whocares: as I said earlier ubuntu CE is not supported here
[14:30] <ikonia> whocares: please use the ubuntu ce support resources
[14:30] <whocares> there are none
[14:30] <scunizi> Jack_Sparrow, you keep those in a key combo? or in a file for cut and paste?
[14:31] <ikonia> whocares: there are - but #ubuntu does not support it as it is modified
[14:31] <Jack_Sparrow> Ocethanks.  I love how this works.. I help others and learn at the same time.. :)
[14:31] <whocares> I am Using Ubuntu with kubuntu
[14:31] <calaveraDeluxe> bazhang: did that, same behavior like before, can send out 4 pings, than not
[14:31] <calaveraDeluxe> hing
[14:31] <Jack_Sparrow> scunizi, I keep a notepad open. cut and paste..
[14:31] <whocares> ubuntu 8.04
[14:31] <ikonia> whocares: you're not - your using ubuntu CE 8.04 as you said earlier
[14:32] <bazhang> calaveraDeluxe, well I would try and resetting (ie turning on and then off) the dongle
[14:32] <oCean_> Jack_Sparrow: same here :)
[14:32] <calaveraDeluxe> ehm, how wuld i do that? :)
[14:32]  * scunizi is going to get some
[14:32] <thadthudpucker> this is going to sound really dumb, but i need to put the contents of a folder (subdirectories and all) into a folder that the owner is root and i dont have permissions for. I am trying to put some savegames into their appropriate folder
[14:33] <ikonia> whocares: read the FAQ http://ubuntuce.com/faq.htm
[14:33] <Jack_Sparrow> thadthudpucker, sudo or gksudo
[14:33] <bazhang> calaveraDeluxe, its just a plug; unplug, wait one minute or so, then replug
[14:33] <thadthudpucker> i know sudo, but i am flummoxed on the proper command to get everything in there
[14:34] <bthompson> is there a keybody shortcut to minimize all windows at once..
[14:34] <Jack_Sparrow> thadthudpucker, If you must.. use the very dangerous command gksudo nautilus then exit that file manager asap
[14:34] <atlef> Jack_Sparrow: thank you for the ccsm tip
[14:34] <Jack_Sparrow> np
[14:34] <thadthudpucker> Ah I will try that
[14:34] <jrib> bthompson: system -> preferences -> keyboard shortcuts
[14:34] <thadthudpucker> Thanks...doing it now
[14:34] <jordi_> hi everyone
[14:34] <Jack_Sparrow> bthompson, isnt there an icon bottom left to show desktop
[14:34] <calaveraDeluxe> bazhang: its an onboard chip ;) i'm sorry if i didn't make that clear, my english isn't perfect...
[14:35] <scunizi> Jack_Sparrow, for info purposes, at terminal how would you move a directory and all it's contents (doesn't matter if sudo or not) just curious?
[14:35] <bthompson> jrib, i tried that didn't see an option to minimize all windows on screen..in windows it is windows key and M
[14:35] <bazhang> calaveraDeluxe, airport express?
[14:35] <jrib> bthompson: it's probably referred to as "show desktop"
[14:36] <Jack_Sparrow> scunizi, -R for folder and all folders  inside   but man mv for details.. Still waiting for first cup of coffee to brew so I can wake up  :)
[14:36] <bthompson> ok
[14:36] <jrib> bthompson: "Hide all windows and focus desktop" under Window Management
[14:36] <scunizi> Jack_Sparrow, just poured mine :)
[14:36] <chilli0> Avm stays on top of my windows, and i have set it to go under them
[14:37] <jordi_> i've got 2 ubuntu computers at home: 1 is an apache webserver, and the other one my personal computer. in the router i set up the port 80 to redirect to the server. This is fine from outsite home, but when i want to visit my website from my personal computer, it keeps sending me to the router website. how can i work around this?
[14:37] <calaveraDeluxe> oh, my bad :) you mean the ape, already tried that... didn't help
[14:37] <tvgv> jack sparrow>well i selected it and nothing really happened butmy pages burning up lol
[14:37] <chilli0> Avm stays on top of my windows, and i have set it to go under them
[14:37] <scunizi> jordi_, use the internal ip
[14:37] <Boohbah> jordi_: place an entry in your hosts file
[14:38] <jordi_> it doesn't work either, and that's the strange thing, it also sends me to the router website
[14:38] <ugliefrog> man there is alot of settings in compiz i had no idea
[14:38] <jordi_> and i have nothing in my /etc/hosts that tells the browser to do so
[14:38] <thadthudpucker> Jack_Sparrow: Thank you cap'n I had bee trying to do this for about 3 hours (intersparsed with other things.)
[14:38] <chilli0> Avm stays on top of my windows, and i have set it to go under them
[14:38] <Boohbah> jordi_: "<IP_ADDRESS> my.web.server"
[14:38] <scunizi> jordi_, how do you mean the "router web site"  .. you only have one on the server
[14:38] <bazhang> chilli0, you mean awn?
[14:39] <bthompson> i just tried to assign windows an M key and it made all screen grey and black for the background..is that some kind of key to alter desktop
[14:39] <Jack_Sparrow> thadthudpucker, no, please use that with extreme caution.. it is not forgiving
[14:39] <chilli0> bazhang:  i mean awn avant windows manager
[14:39] <jordi_> Boohbah: if i do that, it also redirects me to the administration interface of the router
[14:39] <thadthudpucker> I did what i needed and exited, i shall save that for only when i am absolutely sure what i am doing.
[14:39] <jordi_> scunzi: only one website, yes, but it's the administration router's website i'm pointed to
[14:39] <jordi_> it's so weird
[14:40] <Ward1983> ikonia, lol i cannot ind where i can set the mountpoint of my raid device, allthough the device definitely exists
[14:40] <Boohbah> jordi_: hmm what sort of router is it?
[14:40] <scunizi> jordi_, you mean from your desktop you get the routers admin page?
[14:40] <Jack_Sparrow> thadthudpucker, That should have read no problem...
[14:40] <ryanakca> While installing with the alternate CD, I get errors that some .debs are corrupt, and that it fails to download them. Is it trying to ``download'' them from the CD? If so, can I have it download the corrupt ones from the web, since I have the network setup?
[14:41] <Jack_Sparrow> ryanakca, remove the cd as one of  your software sources..
[14:41] <Jack_Sparrow> ryanakca, system...admin...software sources
[14:41] <Ward1983> ikonia, never mind now i found it
[14:42] <calaveraDeluxe> bazhang: btw, thank you for for helping, i appreciate it. i'm really stuck on this .one...
[14:42] <ryanakca> Jack_Sparrow: ... cat `/etc/apt/sources.list': `/etc/apt/sources.list': No such file or directory
[14:42] <chilli0> Avm stays on top of my windows, and i have set it to go under them help please?
[14:42] <Ward1983> ikonia, because i rebooted and didnt make the device again the lines of the raid device were gone, probably a small bug of the installer
[14:42] <ryanakca> Jack_Sparrow: I'm in the process of installing the base system  from the alternate CD.
[14:42] <Jack_Sparrow> ryanakca, What version of ubuntu
[14:43] <Jack_Sparrow> ryanakca, ah.. sounds like you need a new cd..  is ths an hp or a dell you are trying to install on?
[14:43] <whocares> Im going back to mepis
[14:43] <Jack_Sparrow> whocares, exactly, hope it works for you
[14:44] <ryanakca> Jack_Sparrow: No, well, HP bought Gateway which bought eMachines last I heard, so indirectly, now, yes.
[14:44] <ryanakca> Jack_Sparrow: but, since I have networking setup, shouldn't it be possible to download the packages from the WWW?
[14:44] <Jack_Sparrow> ryanakca, If I can make a silly suggestion, reburn the same iso but at the slowest possible speed
[14:44] <liangyi> ????????
[14:45] <Jack_Sparrow> ryanakca, If one of the corrupt files is your sources list. that would be a problem
[14:45] <liangyi> 有人在吗
[14:45] <Jack_Sparrow> !cn
[14:46] <liangyi> ？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？／
[14:46] <ryanakca> Jack_Sparrow: no, it's telling me that some of the .deb files are corrupt. What's the cdrecord option? It defaults to 4x on my drive, but, ``No manual entry for cdrecord''
[14:46] <ikonia> liangyi: please stop
[14:46] <ikonia> Ward1983: no - the raid devices arn't made until you start the install
[14:46] <ikonia> Ward1983: its not a bug, its how it is meant to work
[14:46] <Jack_Sparrow> !jp > liangyi
[14:47] <liangyi> ????????????
[14:47] <ikonia> liangyi: please stop ???????????????
[14:47] <jrib> !cn | liangyi
[14:47] <scunizi> liangyi, englich here
[14:47] <scunizi> *english
[14:47] <Ward1983> ikonia, you dont know what i mean, i meant something else
[14:47] <Jack_Sparrow> Muted him for a sec
[14:47] <Ward1983> ikonia, but it doesnt mather its not important :)
[14:48] <D0N> hello
[14:48] <grayson> ! paste bin
[14:48] <IceWind> if(text == ??) user.mute(). :D
[14:48] <scunizi> !pastebin > grayson
[14:49] <D0N> does anyone know how to save a process priority and affinity ?
[14:49] <grayson> scunizi, thanks!
[14:50] <scunizi> grayson, also from terminal you can use pastebinit which is in the repos
[14:52] <fuji> ssssssssssssssss
[14:52] <fuji> jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj
[14:52] <D0N> does anyone know how to save a process priority and affinity ?
[14:52] <scunizi> fuji, don't do that
[14:53] <ross_t> I am trying to boot from CD to test (Ubuntu 8.10) out on an old Sony Vaio before installing but after logging on I get nothing but the mouse pointer.  Any ideas?
[14:53] <Mugshot> thanks.
[14:53] <Mugshot> 	so...How do I calculate my own upload & download ratio?
[14:53] <fuji> scunizi u r is?
[14:53] <datta> can anyone tell me how to delete my partition
[14:54] <Claire2009> hi.
[14:54] <Mugshot> again... how do i calculate my upload/download ratio?
[14:54] <grayson> scunizi, thanks again
[14:54] <scunizi> grayson, np :)
[14:54] <Claire2009> mugshot - hey
[14:54] <Mugshot> Thanks for letting me in.
[14:54] <datta> i am going to reinstall ubuntu after that
[14:54] <tvgv> TVGV
[14:54] <martin__> @ ross_t have you tried to restart x again? ctrl + alt + backspace
[14:54] <Mugshot> hi claire. ;)
[14:54] <tvgv> TVGV> madness bangs head into wall
[14:54] <Claire2009> anyone here know how to uninstall / reinstall pidgin?