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[12:08] <Mez> allee, again, thanks :D
[12:09] <allee> why thx twice? :)
[12:10] <Mez> oh,
[12:10] <Mez> lol
[12:10] <Mez> I came back and like, saw a highlight and thought it was recent
[04:27] <Riddell> deb http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/hoary-kde342 hoary-updates main
[04:27] <Riddell> testers please
[04:28] <Riddell> \sh_away: first task as main dude is working out why the heck kdepim won't compile http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/tmp/kdepim-3.4.2.tar.bz2
[04:29] <Riddell> (don't use the debian directory in that tar file)
[09:52] <\sh> Riddell: u worked to much :)
[10:00] <JRe> cool 3.5 branch has been created
[10:00] <JRe> =)
[10:10] <JRe> mmm big thread about feature freeze on kde-devel :)
[10:34] <\sh> hey JRe
[10:34] <JRe> hi \sh
[10:34] <\sh> when can we see u as a motu? :)
[10:35] <insanekane> Riddell: why was the KDE front-end removed from Debconf ?
[10:35] <insanekane> hi \sh :)
[10:35] <\sh> huhu insanekane
[10:36] <insanekane> :)
[11:05] <JRe> Riddell: is there any official tarball for icecream ar may i create one by co the svn ?
[11:13] <Riddell> JRe: create one
[11:13] <JRe> Riddell: ok!
[11:21] <Tonio-> Riddell: you wanted testers -> I am with 3.4.2 for on hour testing and everything seems fine ;)
[11:21] <Tonio-> no bugs relevated at the moment...
[11:23] <Tonio-> Just migrated my second PC, this one, and that's seems okay too.
[11:24] <Riddell> Tonio-: woo!  thanks :)
[11:26] <Tonio-> a little bug with the klauncher applet seems to be resolved, nice ;)
[11:28] <JRe> Tonio-: there is 3.4.2 packages or you have compiled the branche ?
[11:28] <Tonio-> Riddell:  As you've asked me to tell you, after many tries (need to learn...), it seems okay now, and I submited many packages on REVU
[11:28] <Tonio-> JRe:  Riddell  has given the repo params
[11:28] <Tonio-> give me one sec
[11:28] <JRe> Tonio-: thanks =)
[11:29] <Tonio-> deb http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/hoary-kde342/ hoary-updates main
[11:29] <JRe> Riddell: you have another tester =)
[11:29] <Tonio-> amazing, cause 3.4.2 doesn't even seem to be officially released....
[11:29] <JRe> Riddell: thanks for the packages
[11:30] <Riddell> Tonio-: released later today, that's why I need testers
[11:31] <Tonio-> Riddell: okay, I'll let you know if I have any problem...
[11:31] <Tonio-> nice new system icon ;) hehe
[11:34] <JRe> Tonio-: you have updated from 3.4.1 or from 3.4.0 ?
[11:35] <Tonio-> 3.4.1
[11:54] <allee> Riddell: 3.4.1 -> 3.4.2 went well.  No problem playing with it yet
[11:54] <Riddell> awooga
[12:03] <\sh> kdebase is missing
[12:03] <Riddell> \sh: it's there for hoary, it's not going to compile for breezy withou xmkmf
[12:03] <\sh> Riddell: I know...I need it as well
[12:04] <Riddell> news just in: no other distribution has made packages so they're delaying the release until tomorrow
[12:09] <JRe> Riddell: how can i sign a package builded with pbuilder?
[12:09] <JRe> Riddell: in order to have it uploaded into REVU
[12:10] <allee> JRe: debsign
[12:10] <JRe> allee: thanks =)
[12:12] <\sh> debuild -S -sa
[12:12] <\sh> is ok
[12:13] <\sh> Riddell: gentoo folks asked me, if we already have 3.4.2 ,-)
[12:16] <JRe> \sh: say no otherwise they'll be to disapointed =)
[12:18] <JRe> \sh: are you still developpingyour bittorrent front end ?
[12:18] <JRe> Riddell: ow BTW have you seen that mornfall have improved kapture (ept now)
[12:19] <insanekane> isnt there one already ? a nice QTorrent ? also, there is a KDE Torrent client iirc
[12:20] <JRe> is there anyone named anthony mercatante here ???
[12:24] <JRe> these guy have uploaded an impressive number of KDE packages on REVU, even that already exists
[12:24] <Mez> Riddell - where's the 3.4.2 files for haory#/
[12:25] <JRe> Mez: [11:29]  <Tonio-> deb http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/hoary-kde342/ hoary-updates main
[12:25] <Mez> ty
[12:26] <JRe> Okay anthony mercatante is tonio
[12:34] <JRe> Riddell: you now why Tonio has replaced my packaging stuff which has already been packaged ?
[12:34] <JRe> mmm wrong phrase =)
[12:35] <JRe> why he's packaging stuff which i have already packaged =)
[12:39] <Mez> whats witht eh KDE packages in REVU
[12:40] <JRe> Mez: ???
[12:40] <Mez> katalog, kbootsplash etc etc
[12:41] <JRe> Mez: Tonio seems to have uploaded a bunch of packages
[12:41] <JRe> Mez: the same day
[12:42] <JRe> Mez: he have even uploaded package that already where on REVU =) =)
[12:42] <JRe> s/where/were/
[12:42] <Mez> link to duplicates?
[12:44] <JRe> ktvschedule
[12:44] <JRe> krecipes
[12:47] <JRe> (i have reuploaded krecipes without seeing it was already here because it was a new upstream)
[12:47] <Mez> lol
[12:47] <Mez> well...
[12:48] <Mez> his packaging need a bit of fine tuning
[12:48] <Mez> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=191&text=in+changelog%2C+distribution+should+be+breezy%2C+not+unstable.%0D%0A%0D%0AIn+diff+there+are+.guess+and+.sub%2C+these+shouldn%27t+be+there+%28make+clean+before+you+package%29
[12:48] <JRe> Mez: yeah he seems to have made a chain packaging =)
[12:48] <JRe> Mez: tough i am impressed by so many package in that short time
[12:49] <Mez> lol
[12:49] <JRe> Mez: the first one was on July 27, 04:50 last one July 27, 10:00
[12:50] <Mez> lol
[12:54] <Mez> well, I'm posting the same on all his packages at the mo
[12:54] <JRe> Mez: i have reposted ktvschedule
[12:55] <JRe> Mez: so don't comment this one  =)
[12:56] <Mez> JRe, already commented it :P
[12:58] <Mez> on both of your uploads
[01:00] <Mez> you need source upload :D
[01:00] <JRe> Mez: sure =)
[01:00] <JRe> Mez: you know how to deal with the gpg-agent issue ?
[01:00] <Mez> what issue?
[01:01] <JRe> Mez: Enter passphrase: gpg: problem with the agent - disabling agent use
[01:04] <Mez> never heard of it
[01:05] <Mez> never had it *
[01:05] <JRe> Mez: =)
[01:09] <JRe> Mez: you think that i can use pdebuild --debbuildopts -S -sa will be fine  ?
[01:09] <Mez> JRe, once you know it builds, jiust debuild -S -sa
[01:10] <Mez> IT's a source build, it doenst try and compile anything
[01:10] <JRe> Mez: okay
[01:10] <Mez> it basically does what pdebuild does before it gets to the pbuilder
[01:12] <JRe> Mez: damn gpg error debsign: gpg error occurred!  Aborting....
[01:13] <Mez> lol
[01:13] <Mez> check if the Changleog is the same as your GPG key
[01:13] <JRe> Mez: yes it is =)
[01:14] <Mez> hmm
[01:14] <Mez> lol
[01:14] <Mez> just sign it manually
[01:14] <Mez> debisgn *_source.changes
[01:15] <Mez> debsign *_source.changes
[01:15] <Mez> JRe, try reinstalling gpg
[01:15] <Mez> or download my version of it
[01:15] <Mez> assuming you're using hoary
[01:15] <JRe> Mez: yes it mon hoary
[01:16] <Mez> http://www.sourceguru.net/ubuntu/hoary/
[01:16] <Mez> download the gpg backport and try that
[01:16] <JRe> Mez: ok! thanks!
[01:16] <JRe> Mez: (ATM i sign it manually)
[01:18] <Mez> lol
[01:18] <JRe> Mez: thanks for the tips =)
[01:18] <Mez> ;)
[01:18] <JRe> Mez: and for the backport =)
[01:18] <Mez> hehe
[01:18] <Mez> I did it ages ago
[01:27] <allee> JRe: plain hoary debsign works here.  check gpg-agent is running and check the file:pid: as given is GPG_AGENT_INFO
[01:27] <allee> JRe: Does 'normal' signing with debuild work?
[01:27] <Mez> JRe, krecipes - you package this from scratch - or get from upstream/
[01:31] <JRe> Mez: from scratch
[01:31] <Mez> ok
[01:33] <JRe> allee: jre       6988  0.0  0.3   4280   756 ?        Ss   09:44   0:00 gpg-agent --daemon
[01:33] <JRe> allee: /tmp/gpg-uEUWBz/S.gpg-agent:6988:1
[01:35] <KabelKasper> Riddell: Just upgraded to KDE 3.4.2, only problem i got was arts wich depends on an uninstallable libarts1c2
[01:35] <Riddell> KabelKasper: in hoary?
[01:36] <KabelKasper> Yes, I used http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/hoary-kde342/
[01:36] <Riddell> hmm, ok
[01:37] <Riddell> hmm, yes, how did that happen
[01:38] <JRe> KabelKasper: you upgrade from 3.4.0 or 3.4.1 ?
[01:38] <KabelKasper> from 3.4.1
[01:41] <Riddell> and how did nobody else notice that including me
[01:42] <JRe> mmm strange
[01:42] <Riddell> spooky
[01:58] <JRe> Mez: the second time i upload to REVU, no need to upload orig.gz anymore, right ?
[02:00] <Mez> er, always upload,
[02:00] <Mez> It's best
[02:00] <Mez> lo0l
[02:00] <JRe> Mez: =) =)
[02:00] <Mez> just dput revu *_source.changes
[02:00] <Mez> cause then when you upload the .orig
[02:01] <Mez> it makes life easier to review it
[02:16] <Riddell> should be arts fixes now if someone could check
[02:22] <KabelKasper> Riddell: Thanks, now it works ;)
[02:28] <Riddell> KabelKasper: phew
[02:29] <allee> Riddell: thumb up ;)
[02:29] <Riddell> now somebody tell me my kdepim doesn't link
[02:48] <allee> Riddell: I've played a bit with kontact, no problems
[02:49] <allee> Riddell: but logout login for a new arts check and now I have 2 gpg-agents running :(
[03:29] <je4d> Riddell: on the off chance you've heard of this issue before: I've got a fresh ubuntu + kubuntu-desktop install here, and anything that uses the http kioslave is freezing
[03:30] <Riddell> je4d: hoary?
[03:30] <je4d> Riddell: yea
[03:30] <Riddell> je4d: with any updates?
[03:30] <je4d> ftp.kde.org's 3.4.1 packages, but it was happening without them
[03:30] <je4d> aswell as the official hoary-updates repo
[03:31] <Riddell> how strange, never heard of that
[03:32] <je4d> also, I can't get kde apps to give debug output on the command line, all the stuff in kdebugdialog is ignored - but i guess this is the intent?
[03:33] <je4d> i'm currently grabbing a copy of kdelibs from 3_4_branch hoping it'll fix it
[03:35] <Riddell> je4d: you could try the 3.4.2 packages
[03:35] <Riddell> deb http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/hoary-kde342/ hoary-updates main
[03:37] <je4d> are there any known issues with those packages?
[03:37] <Riddell> nope
[03:37] <je4d> cool. just checking, since this is my @work box
[03:45] <je4d> Riddell: installed kdelibs from there, all is better (:
[03:46] <Riddell> je4d: phew
[03:46] <je4d> yea - i can put firefox away now and go back to konq.. it was driving me nuts
[03:47] <je4d> thanks for the repo.. when's that going to be moved to ftp.kde.org?
[03:49] <Riddell> je4d: it's already there (but you can't see it until 3.4.2 is released)
[03:50] <je4d> ok, i'll wait for the "latest" link to be updated befor grabbing the rest (people don't like me chewing up the office's bandwidth :P)
[03:50] <je4d> .. d.k.o says 3.4.2 is today - what time are we announcing?
[03:53] <Riddell> je4d: delayed until tomorrow
[03:55] <JRe> is it possible to have two different pbuilder chroot installed in the same time ??? (like one for breezy, one for hoary)
[03:55] <Riddell> not honestly sure
[04:35] <JRe> Riddell: it's possible to have two chroot installed in the same time with pbuilder
[04:35] <JRe> Riddell: using --basetgz
[04:36] <Riddell> there you go then JRe
[04:36] <Riddell> there you go then je4d
[04:36] <JRe> Riddell: yeah pbuilder do really _rocks_
[04:38] <JRe> Riddell: when i'll be able to really use it, i'll update PbuilderHowto because i think it's interessant, ok ?
[04:38] <JRe> s/interessant/interesting/
[04:38] <JRe> (damn frenglish)
[04:39] <Riddell> JRe: formidable
[04:41] <je4d> Riddell: ?
[04:42] <Riddell> je4d: tab completion weirdness
[04:42] <je4d> :P
[06:40] <apokryphos> Why doesn't Kubuntu use backports instead of another kubuntu.org repo?
[06:43] <Riddell> apokryphos: that's something I may look in to
[06:46] <Riddell> i18n packages up on dev.kubuntu if someone could test them
[06:48] <sebas> Riddell: Do you have 3.4.2 packaged? :)
[06:48] <sebas> I.e. are the packages already available for us mere mortals?
[06:51] <Riddell> 11:25 < JRe> Mez: [11:29]  <Tonio-> deb http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/hoary-kde342/ hoary-updates main
[06:54] <sebas> Lovely.
[08:38] <KabelKasper> Riddell: Maybe I found a sceond issue? kde-i18n-de depends on kdelibs4c2 but its not installable.
[08:38] <KabelKasper> Or is it me who makes somewhat wrong?
[08:39] <KabelKasper> same for other language packs
[09:38] <Riddell> KabelKasper: thanks for spotting that.  I'm sure I had changed that but seems not.  fixing
[10:14] <Riddell> KabelKasper: try now
[10:17] <KabelKasper> Riddell: Good work! :)
[11:21] <Riddell> review day tomorrow
[11:21] <Riddell> send stuff to revu


[03:35] <wspardaw__> f
[03:41] <wspardaw> hi
[03:53] <wsparda> hi
[03:56] <wsparda> hi all
[09:10] <elgaton> Hello everyone, could someone please nominate bug #877776 for Oneiric? Thanks!
[09:10] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 877776 in openbve (Ubuntu) "openbve does not depend on the required package libmono-i18n4.0-all (affects: 6) (dups: 3) (heat: 52)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/877776
[09:12] <micahg> elgaton: done
[09:12] <elgaton> micahg: Thanks!
[09:33] <elgaton> micahg: Are you there?
[09:33] <micahg> elgaton: yes, but I think this should move to #ubuntu-motu :)
[09:33] <elgaton> micahg: OK :)
[15:35] <mutley89> If this is better asked elsewhere let me know: Lately I've been having a problem with X crashing and dumping me back to the login screen, I've been trying to follow this page in order to report the problem: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Backtracing, after starting X, ssh-ing in, and starting and attaching gdb, once I trigger the crash, both the local machine and the ssh terminal completely lock up, is this normal and
[15:35] <mutley89> how do I proceed.
[15:47] <hggdh> mutley89: I am confused -- you state that you are thrown back to login, and that you get locked. Which of the two?
[15:48] <mutley89> normally without gdb, thrown back to login, but with gdb, it freezes
[15:50] <mutley89> Also when X crashes I get the following before it locks up: Program received signal SIGABRT, Aborted.
[15:50] <mutley89> 0x00007f3a3d73c3a5 in raise () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6
[15:54] <hggdh> mutley89: OK, so it is an abort. But we need to know how it was driven
[15:54] <hggdh> mutley89: what version of Ubuntu are you running?
[15:55] <mutley89> 11.10
[15:57] <hggdh> mutley89: first of all, enable apport -- edit /etc/default/apport, and set enabled to 1
[15:57] <hggdh> mutley89: then sudo start apport
[15:57] <hggdh> then repeat the crash without gdb
[15:58] <mutley89> hggdh: okay, thanks
[17:22] <Cas_> looking for some help on which package to move this bug to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/deluge/+bug/871454
[17:22] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 871454 in deluge (Ubuntu) "deluge-gtk assert failure: *** glibc detected *** /usr/bin/python: double free or corruption (!prev): 0x09fff3e0 *** (affects: 1) (dups: 1) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[17:23] <Pici> Cas_: why do you think it needs to be moved?
[17:23] <Cas_> well its not a deluge bug
[17:25] <Cas_> from the strace it looks like libcairo2 but wanted clarification
[17:36] <hggdh> Cas_: actually, it is difficult to know, since GDB backtrace processing stopped with UNWIND_UNAVAILABLE
[17:36] <hggdh> so there might be many more frames below the last one shown
[17:37] <hggdh> (but I agree that it seems to have been libcairo2 trying a double free)
[17:41] <Cas_> hggdh, which package would you suggest i add? only libcairo appears in 'also affect dist' is this the same?
[17:47] <hggdh> Cas_: sounds like it indeed
[18:26] <njin> Hello, can someone look at bug 902163 thanks
[18:26] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 902163 in partman-partitioning (Ubuntu) "Loss of data during resizing partition ? (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/902163
[19:43] <Cas_> hggdh, thanks
[23:20] <wspardaw> hi
[23:20] <wspardaw> all
[23:20] <wspardaw> ey
[23:20] <wspardaw> wus uo
[23:39] <hggdh> dislexia?
[23:39] <bdmurray> hggdh: its dyslexia
[23:54] <hggdh> bdmurray: I am also a sufferer of ti
[23:55] <hggdh> OTOH I can argue, I think successfully, that mine is proper Portuguese


[05:46] <studio-user548> How do i update kernerl for no dirty cow
[17:02] <bravis> so how did I endup on low latency ?
[17:02] <bravis> more importantly how do I get off it.
[18:13] <coreuser> Hi.. I have a Mac MacOS and a PC with Ubuntu. I would like to use the Monitor connected to the Ubuntu PC as a video reciver for the Mac with MacOS. So.. I would like to cast just video from the Mac laptop to the Ubuntu PC but the audio would keep playing on the Mac. How can I do this? I only want to cast video from Netflix and Youtube.
[18:13] <coreuser> is there a way to use Chromecast?
[18:13] <coreuser> can I turn a Ubuntu PC into a chromecast reciever window?
[18:16] <bravis> probably not sure
[18:19] <bravis> just have to install chromecast and see what happens
[18:19] <bravis> what is the default editor in studio?


[07:04] <Tm_T> Myrtti: I'm ok for being a guinea pig, no need to be sorry (:
[10:50] <U_Crazy> hey all...
[10:50] <Paddy_NI> Hello people, long time no see
[10:51] <Paddy_NI> Flannel, Are you available to talk?
[10:52] <U_Crazy> i just any problem!!!
[10:55] <Myrtti> Paddy_NI: looks unlikely - his idle is over four hours
[10:56] <Paddy_NI> Myrtti, Ah I see, thank you anyway
[10:56] <Paddy_NI> Perhaps I'll try later
[10:56] <Myrtti> U_Crazy: how can we help you?
[10:57] <U_Crazy> http://punya-rizal.blogspot.com
[10:57] <Myrtti> yeah, you're not getting back into our IRC channels
[10:57] <Myrtti> go away.
[12:14] <Fuchs> Myrtti: lovely sidenote, szal is +b in the german ubuntu channels for a duration of SYS.MAXINT years
[12:16] <Myrtti> Fuchs: oh... not entirely unsurprising
[12:16] <Fuchs> not for such links, though.
[12:17] <Fuchs> (He did those as well, and it was annoying. But he did worse, so we had to remove him. I hope he doesn't continue in the english channels now)
[12:18] <Myrtti> Fuchs: you have my permission to thwap him on the head if he continues in the true freenode catalyst way
[12:18] <Myrtti> :-P
[12:18] <Myrtti> and I'm sure nobody else disagrees either
[12:19] <Myrtti> he is getting a bit tiresome
[12:19] <Fuchs> \o/   *gets his rubber mallet*
[12:19] <Fuchs> Myrtti: well, he started to spread racist and antisemitic bs in the german channels. The bunch of image links (with questionable content) was annoying, but not a good reason for a long ban. The other stuff was.
[13:01] <Myrtti> so, I've been gaining a few karma points in launchpad lately by filing in unity/aptdaemon etc bugs.
[13:01] <Myrtti> fun times.
[13:02] <pangolin> Myrtti, you can apply for membership soon :P
[13:02] <Myrtti> YEAH!
[13:02] <Fuchs> isn't she one already?   *looks at cloakie*
[13:02] <Myrtti> Fuchs: sarcasm is wasted on you since you're not in THE CABAL
[13:02] <Fuchs> Myrtti: we could apply on the same date, and then tell them how horrible the other one is
[13:02] <Fuchs> :(
[13:03]  * Fuchs feels left out and goes to corner
[13:03]  * popey lights a fire in the corner
[13:04]  * pangolin gets the marsh mellows out
[13:04] <Myrtti> seriously though, I wish the omnibar clock would reappear
[13:04] <Myrtti> I lost mine
[13:05] <elky> i wish i could put load indicators in my panel again
[13:05] <pangolin> you can
[13:05] <Myrtti> elky: you can, I have
[13:05] <Fuchs> :/
[13:05] <elky> pangolin, HOW?
[13:06] <pangolin> elky, there is a network0indicator package
[13:06] <Myrtti> I wonder what it is I'm using
[13:06] <pangolin> s/0/-
[13:06] <Myrtti> noooyyyyyy
[13:06] <Myrtti> now it's launching the stupid system monitor app
[13:06] <elky> how does network indicator tell me when my mem or disk is thrashing?
[13:06] <Myrtti> System Load Indicator © 2011 Michael Hofmann
[13:07] <pangolin> that one ^
[13:07] <pangolin> indicator-multiload
[13:08] <elky> ok i installed it. do i have to dig through somewhere to make it actually show up?
[13:08] <pangolin> probably just want to log back in
[13:09] <pangolin> I'm on kubuntu right now
[13:09] <pangolin> also, this is not a support channel, please seek help in the proper channel/forum and don't idle in here. kthxbye
[13:10] <Myrtti> arp arp arp.
[13:10]  * pangolin gives elky a hug
[13:11]  * popey stopped using indicators that update the screen reguarly when he figured it eats batter because it keeps waking up a redrawing the screen
[13:12] <Myrtti> yeah, battery isn't my main concern since the battery is pretty much done for by now anyway
[13:12] <Myrtti> it's the loads that are more interesting
[13:13] <elky> popey, i want it for my work pc, i don't have to care about battery there, but i do like to see why everything stops responding
[13:15] <oCean> I hear in 12.04 will be ubuntu-one qt client, now on kubuntu I use the gnome/gtk client
[13:15] <oCean> have not tried 12.04 yet!
[13:46] <bazhang> at the sound of the tone, please re-ask your question
 how do I know whether I have desktop or server ubuntu?
[13:48] <bazhang> he was claiming not to have xubuntu installed, when his pastebin showed it was
[14:17] <bazhang> is marksaitis even running ubuntu? asking about sysv in 11.10
[14:17] <ikonia> who knows
[14:24] <topyli> i'm suddenly getting support requests pretty much every day though launchpad
[14:24] <topyli> the irc-council list is getting some as well
[14:25] <topyli> "sound is broken and i don't even like motörhead" or something
[14:25] <topyli> well the problems are more sane than that, but still :)
[14:28] <mneptok> "If you don't like Motorhead, go run OSX and listen to your Michael Buble. Linux is for boil-faced metal gurus."
[14:28] <topyli> good template for a reply, that
[14:28]  * mneptok fires up "Dancing On Your Grave"
 Who told me that I cant upgrade 11.04 to 11.10?!!! In openvz?
[14:37] <bazhang> would that be a factor?
[14:40] <ikonia> not going to help
[14:40] <ikonia> he had this explained to him in detail yesterday for 12.04
[14:42] <topyli> yes, in +1
[14:42] <bazhang> wonder why he was talking about lubuntu / xubuntu and wanting only server, yet cannot discern if he is using a server
[14:42] <bazhang> this was in #ubuntu
[14:43] <bazhang> yet has at least two DE installed
[14:43] <topyli> yesterday he was in +1, wanting to (eventually) upgrade to 12.04
[14:44] <bazhang> he first came into #ubuntu with a giant rant
[14:44] <topyli> oh, ok
[14:44] <ikonia> he had this explained to him in pretty solid detail, now he's upgraded despite being told not to....shock horror, it doesn't work
[14:44] <bazhang> lxde is horribly broken the devs are idiots, bugs are never fixed etc
[14:45] <bazhang> I doubt most of what he has said after yesterday
[14:45] <topyli> way to get support
[14:45] <ikonia> I will be no longer helping him
[14:46] <bazhang> "someone" told him not to upgrade, but it was a breeze
[14:46] <ikonia> yeah me and iceroot went through why he shouldn't upgrade and the issues it may cause
[14:46] <bazhang> he's been removed once already for a big rant about how easy it is to everything in Windows
[14:46] <bazhang> +do
[14:47] <ikonia> don't really want him removed, but it's pointless trying to help him when he does the opposite then comes in complaining his system is broke
[14:47] <topyli> yeah upgrading over two versions like xp - vista - 7 must be trivial
[14:49] <ikonia> topyli: the issue he had was around openvz and how his host had locked the shared components down
[14:49]  * mneptok inserts an invalid product key into topyli's ignition
[14:50] <topyli> :)
[14:50] <topyli> ikonia: you told him to talk to his provider, i don't know what else to say
[14:51] <ikonia> topyli: the provider can do it easy for him though
[14:51] <ikonia> that's why I don't understand the problem, only takes a few minutes
[14:51] <topyli> yes, but we can't
[14:51] <ikonia> totally
[14:57] <bazhang> I think Lars everytime I see Larss
[14:57] <ikonia> yes, I did at first
[15:02] <bazhang> mcloy? or marksaitis
[15:03] <ikonia> mcloy
[15:03] <bazhang> ah ok another issue
[15:03] <ikonia> yup
[15:05] <mneptok> jrib: be aware, MarKsaitis changes his story about what is and is not installed as suits the need. i don't think it's possible to get 100% straight answers.
[15:06] <bazhang> he was told to purge not to remove
[15:07] <jrib> mneptok: it is early in my irc day so my patience is high fortunately :)
[15:07] <ikonia> jrib: kudos
[15:26] <bazhang> mneptok, he just said he was on 11.10 moments before
[15:26] <bazhang> now its 11.04?
[15:27] <ikonia> bazhang: he's changed his story as he knows the upgrade he'd been advise not to do has messed his system up
[15:27] <mneptok> jrib caught it. and it's more him anyway, as he got version info.
[15:27] <bazhang> ok
[15:28] <ikonia> I'll bet a done of his issues are down to this upgrade, because of the issues with openvz
[15:28] <bazhang> and no one called him a fool
[15:28] <jrib> ...
[15:33] <mneptok> i'm looking for a GUI sftp client. this is Ubuntu server with no GUI. i use XFCE. on Mint. how do i add Backtrack repos from the command line with Synaptic?
[15:34] <jrib> ikonia: you can't do * * * * *?
[15:34] <ikonia> jrib: not for what he's wanting to do
[15:34] <jrib> mneptok: is that all one question?
[15:34] <jrib> amazing
[15:34] <jrib> ikonia: oh
[15:34] <ikonia> he was in earlier in the week,
[15:35] <ikonia> then asking in ##linux
[15:35] <ikonia> etc
[15:35] <bazhang> mneptok, plz command to install oracle jave from cli
[15:35] <ikonia> really........
[15:36] <ikonia> I'm out there are too many people in today not listening and asking the same thing over and over again
[15:36] <bazhang> there was actually someone who aske d that, and did not know wget
[15:36] <ikonia> jrib: has the golden command
[15:36] <ikonia> it's all about to become clear
[15:37] <ikonia> jrib: wow, it's almost as if thats the wrong kernel.....
[15:37] <oCean> there it is :(
[15:37] <bazhang> thats not 11.10's kernel
[15:38] <mneptok> bazhang: my ipod is not recognized by the default OpenBSD media player. what Fedora yum repository will fix this?
[15:38] <ikonia> or an 11.04
[15:38] <bazhang> yum rockbox --emerge iTunes
[15:38] <mneptok> bazhang: no GUI way?
[15:39] <mneptok> BOOM HEAD SHOT
[15:39] <bazhang> mneptok, ouch!
[15:39] <mneptok> there really is a secret language we can speak to each other ;)
[15:39] <jrib> is there a page that catalogs the ubuntu versions and the kernels available in each?
[15:40] <h00k> how do i  shot web
[15:40] <ikonia> jrib: that's a redhat kernel,
[15:40] <oCean> el5
[15:41] <ikonia> (incase you didn't notice)
[15:41] <jrib> ikonia: oh, didn't expect that...
[15:41] <bazhang> awesome
[15:41] <jrib> <-- never used redhat
[15:41] <jrib> what's el5?
[15:41] <ikonia> jrib: yeah, it's an openvz server with parital root
[15:41] <ikonia> jrib: which is why he was instructed specfically not to upgrade
[15:41] <bazhang> rhel?
[15:41] <oCean> jrib: el is enterprise linux
[15:41] <ikonia> jrib: which is why he's ignored it and having problems
[15:41] <ikonia> bazhang: Red Hat Enteprise Linux
[15:41] <jrib> hmm
[15:42] <bazhang> and he comes to #ubuntu for help with rhel?
[15:42] <ikonia> bazhang: it is ubuntu
[15:42] <bazhang> ikonia, yeah I know
[15:42] <jrib> seems to have become quiet
[15:42] <ikonia> bazhang: it's a virtualised redhat hypervisor
[15:42] <bazhang> ikonia, yes openvz
[15:42] <ikonia> so he is running ubuntu
[15:42] <ikonia> but it has some pretty big limitations
[15:42] <ikonia> ahh ok, you're up to speed
[15:42] <bazhang> so lies from the start
[15:43] <ikonia> well, missleading certain]
[15:43] <ikonia> who -r would get him the info he desires on his setup
[15:46] <popey> 16:40:47 <+ikonia> jrib: that's a redhat kernel,
[15:46] <popey> YOU MEAN LINUX KERNEL, HATER!
[15:46] <popey> etc
[15:47] <ikonia> popey: you should be a script writer
[15:47] <h00k> popey: that's GNU/LINUX to you!
[15:48]  * h00k ducks, scurries off
[15:48] <jrib> oh we have an on-call helper now :)
[15:49] <h00k> oh, that's nice
[17:39] <LjL> i'll be away until monday, happy whatever you celebrate
[17:40] <pangolin> happy easter LjL
[17:40] <pangolin> have a great weekend
[17:41] <LjL> thanks, you too
[17:41] <pangolin> thank you.
[18:15] <Tm_T> LjL: happy thursday! (:
[18:15] <pangolin> Tm_T, Today is Friday
[18:16] <Tm_T> I know, but LjL said "whatever you celebrate" (:
[18:17] <pangolin> oh, right. Happy Thursday to you too
[18:17] <Tm_T> <3
[22:24] <Amaranth> @btlogin
[22:24] <Amaranth> hrm
[23:30] <zykotick9> timothy in #ubutu "jen you r a faggot" could be an issue
[23:39] <guest-ov02Wj> l
[23:39] <guest-ov02Wj> why am i here?
[23:40] <Jordan_U> guest-ov02Wj: Probably because you were banned from... Gotta love patience.
[23:41] <Jordan_U> Sigh.
[23:44] <Jordan_U> I need to watch some eggs I'm boiling. If they pop in again could someone try to quickly ask them not to leave?


[04:52] <Kilos> morning all of ya
[05:12] <Squirm> hi
[06:27] <magespawn> morning y'all
[06:30] <TaraLS> magespawn,  Hiya
[06:31] <magespawn> TaraLS: how is the pc?
[06:38] <TaraLS> magespawn, The same. It hasn't frozen yet in the last six hours, though I haven't been doing anything but text-based browsing, essentially.
[06:39] <magespawn> mmm so not actually any closre to finding out what it was then
[06:40] <TaraLS> Nope
[06:40] <TaraLS> I'm sure it's the CPU. I'll get it sorted eventually
[06:41] <Squirm> morning
[06:45] <TaraLS> Squirm,  Hiya.
[06:45] <magespawn> hey Squirm
[06:45] <magespawn> just sorted one here in the shop that was a faulty power supply
[06:46] <Squirm> Power Supply tester ftw
[06:46] <TaraLS> What were the symptoms?
[06:46] <magespawn> but when i tested the power supply directly it was fine
[06:46] <TaraLS> What's a power supply teter?
[06:46] <TaraLS> tester*
[06:46] <magespawn> power on the board fan startting up and hard drive spinning up but no post or anything on the screen
[06:47]  * Squirm goes back to watching Futurama
[06:47] <magespawn> a little black box that allows you test the power from the supply without plugging into a motherboard
[06:55] <TaraLS> I have a question, actually
[06:55] <TaraLS> My motherboard temp, on Hardware Sensors Detector, shows in the red for any degree above 28c. How do I change that?
[06:57] <Kilos> yo mazal
[06:57] <Kilos> hi TaraLS
[06:57] <mazal> Môre oom Kilos
[06:57] <magespawn> there should be somewhere in the bios where you set the temp for the mb
[06:57] <mazal> Morning magespawn
[06:57] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[06:57] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[06:57] <magespawn> Good day mazal
[06:58] <Kilos> have you still got that link to that other drive tool?i forget what it was called
[06:58] <TaraLS> Hiyo Kilos
[06:58] <TaraLS> magespawn,  Okeydokey. I will fiddle around later. What's a good temp for it?
[06:58] <mazal> Morning TaraLS
[06:59] <magespawn> i generally set the cut of temp at 75 celsius
[06:59] <magespawn> is the cpu reaches that the pc will automatocally switch off
[07:02] <magespawn> Kilos you talking to me?
[07:02] <Kilos> lol yeah
[07:03] <Kilos> hows things?
[07:03] <magespawn> good and you?
[07:03] <Kilos> remember it was something also about data recovery in place without saving to somewhere else
[07:03] <Kilos> i think
[07:03] <Kilos> im ok ty
[07:04] <Kilos> maybe you were on the fone at the time i forget
[07:06] <Kilos> ah magespawn i think it was this one
[07:06] <Kilos> http://www.diydatarecovery.nl/mbrtool.htm
[07:06] <Kilos> scrolled back in maaz
[07:07] <Kilos> and this http://www.diydatarecovery.nl/DiskPatch.htm
[07:07] <Kilos> whew
[07:10] <Kilos> ill try get them after 11pm on night surfer data if i can stay awake
[07:10] <magespawn> Maaz is good for that
[07:10] <Kilos> yeah i forget to scroll back where i am pm ing him
[07:11] <Kilos> got 1400 lines saved there
[07:11] <Kilos> amazing the stuff i ask the bot
[07:12] <Kilos> or get him to search google for me
[07:12] <TaraLS> mazal,  Hiya
[07:12] <TaraLS> Whew it's hot. Disgusting.
[07:14] <Kilos> magespawn, you gonna write a testimnial for the re approval thing
[07:14] <Kilos> testimonial
[07:15] <magespawn> was thinking about it
[07:15] <Kilos> good
[07:15] <Kilos> im too doff
[07:17] <magespawn> hah
[07:18] <magespawn> but you spend the most time and for most newcomers are the first contact
[07:19] <Kilos> ya but havent even got an idea on writing a testimonial
[07:19] <Kilos> hey bmg505 all good with ZS6LMG
[07:26] <Kilos> has drubin replied yet on where he got all those stats from 2 years ago?
[07:26] <Kilos> hi Squirm yawner
[07:27] <mazal> Kilos just write what Ubuntu-za means for you and have done for you
[07:27] <Kilos> thats like 100 pages mazal
[07:27] <mazal> Zip it lol
[07:27] <Kilos> lol
[07:27] <Kilos> hehe
[07:28] <mazal> That's fine , maybe the guys can just put link there to the document
[07:28] <Squirm> hi
[07:28] <mazal> Hi Squirm
[07:29] <mazal> Even someone like Tara can give a good testimonial
[07:30] <mazal> Tara me lady , where are you ?
[07:32] <Squirm> wow I'm bored
[07:33] <magespawn> lol @ Squirm
[07:33] <Kilos> aw nothing interesting to do Squirm
[07:34] <Squirm> none whatsoever
[07:34] <Kilos> oi
[07:38] <Squirm> anyone suggest a good Netbook distro? I'm tempted to put mint onto it. but may be a little heavy
[07:38] <mazal> Xubuntu ?
[07:39] <mazal> How many ram Squirm ?
[07:39] <Kilos> or lubuntu
[07:39] <Squirm> I guess I could live with xfce
[07:40] <Squirm> don't like lxde, little too light :P
[07:40] <magespawn> i love xfce
[07:40] <Squirm> I'll give xubuntu a shot
[07:40] <Squirm> don't like Vector Linux which is currently installed
[07:56] <magespawn> Puppy Squirm?
[07:57] <TaraLS> mazal, Testimonial?
[07:58] <Squirm> magespawn: still want something nice and usable :P
[07:58] <TaraLS> *puts on American infomercial accent* "I had problems with a certain OTHER Operation System, but once I tried Linux's Distro Ubuntu, I found that it wasn't the end of the world for me! :D I was back, up and running, and ready to rolll! THANKS, Ubuntu."
[07:58] <Squirm> I guess I can't have everything
[07:58] <magespawn> lol
[07:58] <Squirm> TaraLS: Ubuntu isn't half of it
[07:58]  * Squirm runs
[07:59] <TaraLS> Pfft, don't spoil the fun, Squirm.
[07:59] <TaraLS> Or I really WILL make you squirm.
[07:59]  * TaraLS brandishes a hot poker.
[07:59] <Squirm> I'm having fun
[07:59]  * Squirm brandishes his bottom
[08:01] <magespawn> okay then none of that 50 Shades of Grey stuff
[08:06] <Squirm> sorry magespawn, unlike you I haven't read it so I don't know what you mean by that
[08:06] <Squirm> :P
[08:06] <Squirm> I apologise. I'm bored and in a weird mood :/
[08:06] <Kilos> hehe
[08:07] <magespawn> no worries all in good fun, and i have not read it either
[08:07] <Squirm> can't wait till January
[08:08] <Squirm> school is upgrading to 4*4Mbit bonded lines
[08:08] <magespawn> so 16 Mbit altogether
[08:09] <Squirm> oh yes :)
[08:09] <magespawn> i will be interested in how that changes your browsing
[08:09] <Squirm> least theoretically, will be interesting to see if I get that speed
[08:09] <Squirm> and our ISP is linked to the TENET backbone
[08:09] <Squirm> ^^
[08:11]  * magespawn is watching HakTip on Linux Terminal 101
[08:15] <Kilos> hi psydroid
[08:26] <TaraLS> magespawn,  Fifty Shades. I have read it.
[08:26] <TaraLS> It is written horrendously badly.
[08:26] <TaraLS> Like it's written by some horny thirteen year old.
[08:26] <TaraLS> Just... ugh.
[08:26] <magespawn> right
[08:27] <mazal> Sorry TaraLS , wasn't paying attention :P
[08:27] <mazal> What I meant by testimonial is that type of thing you wrote yes
[08:27] <magespawn> thanks for the warning
[08:28] <mazal> And maybe saying that the ZA community helps people as far as possible with Ubuntu problems etc.
[08:28] <TaraLS> Oh
[08:29] <mazal> How's that pc btw ?
[08:29] <mazal> I saw you guys were busy with heating again this morning ?
[08:32] <TaraLS> Eh.
[08:33] <mazal> See a bit later guys
[08:33] <mazal> Need to go get some things
[08:33] <TaraLS> My PC is LAME. That is all.
[08:33] <TaraLS> Take care, mazal.
[09:52] <charl_> good morning
[09:53] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[09:53]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[09:56] <Kilos> hi charl_
[09:56] <charl_> hi Kilos
[09:56] <Kilos> macoffee please
[09:56] <Kilos> eish
[09:56] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[09:56] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[09:57] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_ and Kilos!
[09:57] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[09:57] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[09:59] <Kilos> friendly warning, dont use boot-repair on kde
[10:00] <charl_> ah, it's a mess
[10:00] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[10:00] <Maaz> charl_: Sure
[10:00] <Kilos> did it from unity to kde and now kde drive is lost
[10:01] <charl_> ok
[10:02] <Kilos> from gnome to gnome you gotta actually boot into second drive start repair then uplug power to first drive to get it to only use the second drive
[10:02] <charl_> i have tried to manually fix my boot sector a few times using various grub command line tools
[10:02] <charl_> but i have almost always failed
[10:02] <Kilos> and it cant go into kde so you cant boot from there
[10:02] <charl_> ended up reinstalling is the easiest
[10:02] <Kilos> cant
[10:03] <Kilos> drive shows as unallocated in gparted but can allocate anything to it
[10:03] <Kilos> or partition
[10:03] <Kilos> or activate or enable
[10:03] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:03] <charl_> sounds irritating
[10:03] <Kilos> very
[10:07] <Kilos> i often use xp to fixboot and fixmbr but stupid xp cant see sata drives without getting some driver or something
[10:07] <Kilos> grrr
[10:07] <charl_> bah
[10:08] <Kilos> lol
[10:08] <Kilos> so tinight will get some new mbr boot + partition tools
[10:09] <Kilos> tonight
[10:29] <Kilos> rofl
[10:30] <Kilos> If a man speaks in the forest and no woman hears him, is he still wrong ?
[10:30] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[10:38] <mazal> ib
[11:02] <Kilos> wbb
[11:04] <Vince-0> haai
[11:17] <charl_> hi Vince-0
[11:17] <Vince-0> hi charl
[11:38] <TaraLS> mazal, inetpro confluency superfly  Have a lookie: http://slexy.org/view/s21OHhcisn
[11:39] <magespawn> later all
[11:39] <TaraLS> magespawn,  Nuuu.
[11:39] <TaraLS> magespawn,  Well okay. Toodles. :)
[11:39] <magespawn> why?
[11:39] <TaraLS> Just to get a bit of feedback. But it's not necessary.
[11:39] <magespawn> can spare a few
[11:40] <magespawn> will check it
[11:40] <TaraLS> :D
[11:40] <TaraLS> http://slexy.org/view/s21OHhcisn <--
[11:40] <TaraLS> At the bottom is the result of all that nonsense. I just wanted to share the temperatures etc
[11:40] <TaraLS> My MB has been up past 51c before (and it says that 'high' for it is 45c)
[11:41] <mazal> CPU is running very cool
[11:41] <mazal> 37 degrees is not very hot
[11:43] <TaraLS> Ya. :)
[11:43] <TaraLS> It goes up to 53c when I stream/convert streaming bideo though
[11:43] <TaraLS> video that is
[11:43] <mazal> Not high enough to make it freeze
[11:43] <TaraLS> Hm.
[11:43] <mazal> My dual core always ran at 55 to 58 under load
[11:43] <TaraLS> It shows in the red on the temps.
[11:43] <TaraLS> My MB is at 35 now and showing red
[11:44] <TaraLS> It shows red on anything above 28c
[11:44] <TaraLS> But I think you said that's something changeable in the bios
[11:44] <TaraLS> SOmewhere.
[11:44] <magespawn> seems all fine to me too
[11:44] <mazal> No I didn't comment on the bios
[11:44] <TaraLS> Does that mean that my hardware is fine then, or?
[11:44] <TaraLS> Like... I don't get it.
[11:44] <mazal> Your cpu is def fine
[11:44] <TaraLS> :| darn it
[11:44] <mazal> Those temps are normal
[11:45] <TaraLS> Like, on Hardware Sensor Detect, the CPU and 'cores' are different things
[11:45] <TaraLS> The cores are almost always at 37c
[11:45] <TaraLS> And CPU fluctuates
[11:45] <TaraLS> It's at 33c currently
[11:45] <magespawn> it "looks" fine, but you never know
[11:45] <magespawn> cpu haas two cores inside it
[11:46] <mazal> Does the temps in bios say about the same TaraLS ?
[11:46] <TaraLS> If I recall correctly, I thiiiink they did. I will restart in a moment and check.
[11:47] <magespawn> TaraLS:  you can set the emergency cut off due to high heat in some bios
[11:47] <TaraLS> magespawn,  But isn't it there for a reason?
[11:47] <magespawn> so that if a fan fails then the pc will switch itself off before the critical tempreature is reached
[11:47] <TaraLS> Emergency cut off prevents damage. I don't want to cause damage.
[11:47] <TaraLS> Yeah
[11:48] <mazal> It basically shuts your pc down before the cpu blows
[11:48] <magespawn> what i was saying though if the sensor is sensing high heat when it actually is not then it may be turning the machine off anyway
[11:49] <magespawn> in other words the sensor is damaged in some way
[11:49] <TaraLS> Hm.
[11:50] <TaraLS> Is it possible for only the sensor to be damaged?
[11:50] <mazal> Did the pc start shutting down also ?
[11:51] <magespawn> that was my theory
[11:52] <TaraLS> No.
[11:52] <TaraLS> It shut down once.
[11:52] <TaraLS> Well
[11:52] <TaraLS> It rebooted
[11:52] <TaraLS> Without warning
[11:52] <TaraLS> Every other time, it just freezes.
[11:52] <TaraLS> Cant even do the reisusb thingy to restart
[11:53] <magespawn>  i am off home see you all later
[11:53] <mazal> Bye magespawn
[11:53] <magespawn> need lunch and need to do some manual labour
[11:53] <TaraLS> magespawn,  *wave*
[11:53] <mazal> I wonder if that PSU is ok
[11:54] <TaraLS> oi
[11:54] <TaraLS> How do I check the PSU without actually swapping it out and using another?
[11:54] <TaraLS> Mom's is 250Watts. Mine's 400w
[11:55] <mazal> But then the live should have caused issues too
[11:55] <mazal> That's the thing that keeps puzzling
[11:56] <TaraLS> mazal,  Well...
[11:56] <TaraLS> The live did cause issues eventually
[11:56] <mazal> You can use this : http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp to calculate if you have enough power
[11:57] <TaraLS> I had the computer on for about two days, and then I got hardware sensors detect on live, to see what the temps were doing when I used live, and then live froze
[11:57] <mazal> And that is IF the PSU is working fine
[11:57] <TaraLS> I had to do sudo apt-get-update to fully install sensors
[11:57] <TaraLS> And then I restarted, restarted live, didn't get the sensors or do any updates, and it still froze
[11:57] <TaraLS> My comp had been on for about two and a half days without a break at that point
[11:57] <mazal> hmm
[11:59] <mazal> Forget that calculator btw , I see it is way outdated
[12:00] <TaraLS> I was gonna say... I have to input a lot of stuff. And why does it matter if it is outdated?
[12:01] <mazal> This one seems better http://www.thermaltake.outervision.com/
[12:01] <mazal> The other one didn't even have core2duo
[12:01] <TaraLS> Whew... okay. Here I go.
[12:01] <mazal> Do you know what cpu you have ?
[12:02] <TaraLS> It's an intel dual-core E5300 somethingorother
[12:02] <TaraLS> That means I have 2 physical CPUs, right?
[12:03] <Kilos> one physical cpu with two cores in it
[12:03] <mazal> Nope
[12:03] <mazal> Ok I'll try do it for you Tara
[12:03] <mazal> Just tell me what you have
[12:04] <TaraLS> omg
[12:04] <mazal> How many ram ?
[12:04] <TaraLS> 4gig
[12:04] <TaraLS> I did the CPU part
[12:04] <mazal> 2 sticks ? or 1 stick ?
[12:04] <TaraLS> 2 DDR2
[12:04] <TaraLS> 2 2gig
[12:05] <mazal> k
[12:05] <mazal> 3d card ?
[12:05] <mazal> Nvidia , what model ?
[12:05] <TaraLS> I did that already
[12:05] <TaraLS> I have no idea what to do for HDD
[12:05] <TaraLS> nVidia GeForce 9500
[12:05] <TaraLS> Def 3D or Unity wouldn't run
[12:06] <mazal> HDD would probably be IDE 7200
[12:06] <Kilos> 1 TB sata
[12:07] <TaraLS> Ech well
[12:07] <TaraLS> Without the HDD stuff, and with a CD-ROM drive added
[12:07] <TaraLS> I need 266W
[12:07] <TaraLS> And I've obviously got more than what I've only put in thus far.
[12:08] <mazal> Mine gives 302W
[12:08] <mazal> So you well within limits
[12:08] <mazal> IF it is fine
[12:08] <TaraLS> I dunno what PCI card to select, or anything else
[12:08] <TaraLS> Yeah.
[12:08] <mazal> Remember over time a PSU can start to give less power
[12:08] <TaraLS> But not within the limits of mom's, so I can't use IT to test.
[12:08] <TaraLS> "remember". I didn't even know that :P
[12:08] <TaraLS> But my other computer lasted four years.
[12:08] <mazal> hehehe
[12:09] <TaraLS> Then I sploded it.
[12:09] <TaraLS> Granted...
[12:09] <TaraLS> The house I was in then was much better electrically than this piece of eck house
[12:09] <mazal> Then there is things like unstable power , dust etc
[12:09] <TaraLS> (I haven't had a surge protector the entire time)
[12:09] <mazal> That can effect and damage it as well
[12:10] <mazal> I have seen before that a PSU get's damaged and gives only have the wattage it should
[12:10] <TaraLS> Wow
[12:10] <TaraLS> Is there a way to check it without having to swap it out with another?
[12:10] <mazal> But only way to test is to unplug it and plug in a different one
[12:10] <TaraLS> And are you SURE the CPU is fine?
[12:10] <TaraLS> Darn.
[12:11] <mazal> Well according to your heat read-outs it is defnitely not overheating
[12:11] <TaraLS> :(
[12:11] <mazal> But that is IF the sensor is fine and actually giving the correct reading
[12:11] <TaraLS> And you can tell by me looking in the bios?
[12:12] <TaraLS> Ooh. 680w power supply only $40 AUssie dollarz
[12:12] <mazal> No if the sensor is faulty the bios reading will be faulty as well
[12:12] <TaraLS> Can too much power be a super bad thing?
[12:12] <TaraLS> Well bugger.
[12:12] <mazal> You shouldn't spend money on a psu
[12:12] <mazal> Maybe it is ok
[12:12] <mazal> You should test it first
[12:12] <TaraLS> I won't spend money on anything until I know for sure what it is.
[12:13] <mazal> Ya that is best policy
[12:13] <TaraLS> But, I can't test it on mom's PSU. So where do I get a spare one that has enough power?
[12:13] <mazal> THAT be the big problem
[12:13] <TaraLS> Yeah
[12:16] <TaraLS> I tell you what though
[12:16] <TaraLS> All this PC nonsense
[12:16] <TaraLS> I'm a lot less intimidated looking at individual parts now than I was before.
[12:17] <TaraLS> Could the CPU still be an issue, even if its not overheating?
[12:17] <TaraLS> What about the mb?
[12:17] <mazal> The mb can be yes
[12:17] <mazal> It can be any of your hardware
[12:18] <TaraLS> Okay. I'ma see if I can find mb temperatures in the bios somewhere (though I don't remember seeing it; unless it's like northbridge/southbridge?).


[01:52] <thafreak> dzho: sorry...i didn't see your mention the other day :)
[01:53] <thafreak> I should configure my irssi better
[02:31] <Unit193> No notify-remote?  hilightwin?
[13:45] <thafreak> any of you fine folks play with any ubiquiti hardware?
[13:46] <thafreak> I'm considering buying one of their edge switches
[14:48] <jrgifford> thafreak: I love their router
[14:49] <jrgifford> and i love their switches
[14:49] <jrgifford> and i love their access points
[14:49] <jrgifford> this is the gateway drug to UBNT: https://www.ubnt.com/airmax/nanostationm/
[14:49] <jenni> [ Ubiquiti Networks - NanoStation®M ] - https://j.mp/1aZKXRb
[14:50] <jrgifford> i have 2 of these @ work: https://www.ubnt.com/accessories/toughswitch/
[14:50] <jenni> [ Ubiquiti Networks - TOUGHSwitch™ ] - https://j.mp/1aZKZIE
[14:51] <jrgifford> and one of these: https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-pro/
[14:51] <jenni> [ Ubiquiti Networks - EdgeRouter™ PRO ] - https://j.mp/1aZL7Ig
[14:51] <jrgifford> and the pro variant of these: https://www.ubnt.com/unifi/unifi-ap/
[14:51] <jenni> [ Ubiquiti Networks - UniFi® AP ] - https://j.mp/1aZLbrt
[14:52] <jrgifford> thafreak: long story short, they build great stuff.
[14:52] <jrgifford> needs to get sued over the GPL though
[14:52] <Unit193> Soo, yes you use a lot. :D
[14:52] <jrgifford> and https://www.ubnt.com/unifi-voip/uvp/ is on backorder at my normal supplier, but i'm waiting for one of these.
[14:59] <thafreak> their phone?
[15:00] <thafreak> Do you know anything about their phones actually?
[15:00] <thafreak> Are they vanilla sip and you just use them with your pbx, or do they have their own pbx?
[15:00] <jrgifford> I don't know
[15:00] <thafreak> ah ok
[15:00] <jrgifford> I'm getting one for 2 reasons:
[15:00] <jrgifford> 1. i don't like my samsung desk phone.
[15:00] <thafreak> I'm interested to know when you get one
[15:01] <jrgifford> 2. I want to tinker with one.
[15:01] <thafreak> I buy one of each thing alot for experimenting
[15:01] <thafreak> write it off as R&D costs :)
[15:02] <thafreak> I have a used (from ebay) hp switch and a cheap dumb gigabit switch, and I think both are starting to flake a bit
[15:02] <thafreak> so I was going to replace them with the edge switch 24 port
[15:02] <jrgifford> let me put it this way: If you don't mind their GPL infractions, getting the UBNT stuff is a good move.
[15:03] <thafreak> since all the other decent brands (HP, even Dell) all seem to cost > $300 for their entry level web managed switches
[15:03] <jrgifford> http://libertybsd.net/ubiquiti/
[15:03] <jenni> [ Four ways Ubiquiti Networks is creatively violating the GPL ] - https://j.mp/1JH1YuB
[15:04] <thafreak> i seem to remember seeing they were using vyatta for there edge routers
[15:04] <jrgifford> it's a fork, yeah
[15:07] <thafreak> that sucks...wish they were better citizens
[15:07] <jrgifford> Yeah... i didn't know about that until after we had already bought all their stuff.
[15:08] <jrgifford> which is why i recommend their hardware. not their ethics.
[15:08] <jrgifford> the SEC got 'em for some shady stuff back when they first started trading.
[15:34] <jrgifford> Has anyone here seen ec2/virtual instances get corrupt partitions more often than their physical counterparts?
[15:35] <jrgifford> Ours all get corrupted after 10-15 days of uptime.


[07:01] <prabhu> how to upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04
[09:52] <duffydack> ive accidentally removed this netbook from my u1 accounts so its failing auth, how can i add it back without deleting the key and setting it up again
[19:46] <intrader> Hello, anyone - I  am following up with 'fan always on problem'. I was hoping that adding acpi_osi=Linux to GRUB CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT. But no luck. Anyone help please. Googleing show many people having the problem with 10.10
[23:33] <jauu> Hi! Does anybody know how I can use the ubuntu one client on UBuntu Server? According to the FAQ, the normal client requires a GUI.
[23:50] <karni> hmm any devs here?
[23:50] <karni> Xmas. not good time for collaboration I think ;)


[09:24] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Get Out Your Guitar Day! \m/
[10:28]  * sidneisilva looks for the nearest guitar


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[06:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> 3 words, done!
[06:44] <superfly> perfect!
[06:45] <Kilos> lol
[06:46] <nuvolari> oh hi superfly!
[06:46] <nuvolari> oom Kilos, het oom vir my 'n email subject? samblief
[06:47] <Kilos> nuvolari  Follow up from LOCO Ubuntu ZA re-verification
[06:48] <Kilos> superfly  one must do it in edit mode right?
[06:48] <Kilos> i dont wanna mess up
[06:50] <superfly> Kilos: yes. I'll make a little template quickly
[06:50] <Kilos> cool
[06:53] <Kilos> im trying to add stuff to the agenda as well but the add button is no longer there so it looks like that is also edit mode
[06:57] <Kilos> inetpro  wake up sleepy head
[07:00] <nuvolari> I have no mail with that subject :-/
[07:02] <Kilos> nuvolari  i posted it last night on slexy, hold on ill do it again
[07:03] <Kilos> nuvolari  http://slexy.org/view/s21RPzEuzC
[07:03] <Kilos> slexy is lekker fast today
[07:07] <Kilos> ill reply to him as well so you should get it in new mails now now
[07:11] <Kilos> nuvolari  i missed the start sorry
[07:11] <Kilos> [ubuntu-za] Follow up from LOCO Ubuntu ZA re-verification
[07:13] <Kilos> i go sort sheep out
[07:30] <mazal> Morning everyone
[07:42] <mazal> superfly, how do I add testimonial for you ? I don't see a button for it ?
[08:02] <Kilos> mazal you have to edit the page
[08:02] <Kilos> i just added mine
[08:02] <mazal> Oom Kilos , I don't see the edit button anywhere , where is it located on the page ?
[08:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> top left under the ubuntu wiki logo
[08:03] <Kilos> are you on ubuntu?
[08:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal: does it say immutable page?
[08:04] <Kilos> ty ThatGraemeGuy
[08:07] <mazal> Found it thanx ThatGraemeGuy
[08:08] <mazal> I kept looking at the bottom where testimonials are :P
[08:09] <Kilos> lol
[08:10] <mazal> btw ook Kilos , I'm so in love with Kubuntu I am considering putting it on my home pc as well ;)
[08:10] <Kilos> lekker man
[08:10] <mazal> Maar dis groot werk ai
[08:10] <Kilos> ja jy moet tyd spandeer om als te leer doen
[08:11] <Kilos> but once you understand most of it there is nothing to compare imo
[08:12] <mazal> problem is , I'm gonna have to put in a new pc and re-arrange my whole living room for that
[08:12] <mazal> That's the work I'm talking about
[08:12] <Kilos> just rsync your /home folder to a stick or something then it makes a new install easier
[08:12] <Kilos> hahaha
[08:13] <mazal> Main machine there has Win 7 on ( for gaming ) so can't change that. BUT , I have a server with Ubuntu on it. So considering to changing my server to my main pc with K on it.
[08:13] <mazal> But then I have a problem with server
[08:14]  * nlsthzn is back from the shops
[08:14] <nlsthzn> oh hi superfly
[08:14] <Kilos> you could just install kubuntu-desktop but im not sure what will be left out
[08:15] <mazal> Noo that was a fail
[08:15] <mazal> I tried that on my work pc
[08:15] <mazal> VERY unstable
[08:15] <Kilos> oh my
[08:15] <mazal> That's why I formatted it and installed just Kubuntu
[08:15] <Kilos> aha
[08:15] <mazal> Ya I couldn't even get k3b to work
[08:16] <Kilos> ya i think clean installs are better
[08:16] <Kilos> eish
[08:16] <mazal> Too many desktops on the same install doesn't seem like a good idea
[08:16] <Kilos> i even have k3b on unity
[08:17] <mazal> So at home , I will have to add some server stuff to the K install and hope it runs ok , I needs my server , too many things that runs to it
[08:17] <Kilos> ah then you can just install the server stuff afterwards
[08:18] <mazal> Yeah , just hope it stays stable
[08:18] <Kilos> you need a bad drive to make kde unstable i think
[08:18] <mazal> It has never been an issue with unity , but haven't done it in K yet. But I don't think it will be an issue
[08:20] <mazal> I'm wish I never went to PC gaming. Was a big mistake that. That forces Win onto me. But I have so many games for it now , can't let all that money go to waste
[08:20] <mazal> Should have stayed on console with my pc's only ubuntu like it was
[08:21] <Kilos> lol
[08:21] <Kilos> get an xbox or playstaion
[08:21] <Kilos> station
[08:22] <mazal> I have for many years then little more than a year ago changed that
[08:24] <mazal> So now I first have some logistical problems to sort out and then will move to K there
[08:24] <Kilos> ok
[08:24] <mazal> Must re-arrange the living room lol
[08:24] <Kilos> have they found a way to add ram to playstations
[08:24] <Kilos> haha
[08:25] <mazal> nope
[08:25] <Kilos> i looked at maybe getting an old one and use it as a pc
[08:25] <mazal> But I must say , I have huge respect for that PS3 hey. Mine has been going for 7 years now.  Last year still saw new releases
[08:25] <Kilos> imo its just ram that they run low on
[08:25] <mazal> That's a proper piece of hardware
[08:26] <Kilos> wow
[08:26] <mazal> And tough as nails. Doesn't break. Only weakness is the BD drive. That eventually breaks down
[08:26] <Kilos> BD drive?
[08:27] <mazal> Blue ray drive
[08:27] <Kilos> ah
[08:27] <mazal> I dunno if the new PS4 is that strong , time will tell
[08:31] <Kilos> maybe one day ill get one and see how it does as a desktop pc
[08:33] <Kilos> i looked at some of the modern games my boet has on his lappy. they are too fast for me to even think of playing
[08:33] <Kilos> so i play freecell and mahjong
[08:35] <mazal> The current era in gaming is very bad actually
[08:36] <mazal> Most games release totally broken with massive day one patches
[08:36] <mazal> Many games are online only
[08:36] <mazal> And almost all of them release only 60 to 70% and rest you must by with DLC
[08:36] <mazal> These days they say what is going to be DLC even before the main game release
[08:38] <mazal> So at the end of the day , you paid for two games to get 1 full game and have to do insanely big updates to fix the game as well
[08:40] <Kilos> eish
[08:41] <superfly> Kilos, mazal: you need to add the "@SIG@" at the end of your testimonials
[08:41] <mazal> k
[08:41] <Kilos> oh ok lemme try that
[08:42] <mazal> Done
[08:43] <Kilos> oh my
[08:45] <Kilos> die engelse is slim ne
[09:38] <Kilos> hi smile
[09:38] <smile> hi Kilos :)
[09:43] <smile> amazon is slow :p
[09:45] <Kilos> its because they got old peeps working there
[09:46] <Kilos> hire a teenager while they know everything
[09:48] <smile> I ordered on friday evenin :P
[09:48] <smile> * evening
[09:48] <smile> so that means delivery on wednesday
[09:48] <smile> or thursday
[09:49] <Kilos> ordered what?
[09:56] <smile> ssd ;)
[09:56] <smile> samsung evo 850
[09:56] <smile> http://www.amazon.de/Samsung-MZ-75E500B-EU-interne-silber/dp/B00P73B1E4/?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1421421337&sr=1-2&keywords=samsung+850+evo
[09:57] <smile> or English if you prefer: http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-2-5-Inch-Internal-MZ-75E500B-AM/dp/B00OBRE5UE/?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1421339445&sr=1-1&keywords=Samsung+850+EVO+500GB+2.5-Inch+SATA+III+Internal+SSD+%28MZ-75E500B%2FAM%29&tag=lifehackeramzn-20&ascsubtag=%5Br|theoldreader.com%5Bt|link%5Bp|1679714645%5Ba|B00OBRE5UE%5Bau|5727177402741770316
[09:57] <Kilos> wow thats great, be patient
[09:57] <Kilos> expensive hey
[09:58] <Kilos> where is your link shortening tool
[09:58] <Kilos> Maaz  shorten http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-2-5-Inch-Internal-MZ-75E500B-AM/dp/B00OBRE5UE/?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1421339445&sr=1-1&keywords=Samsung+850+EVO+500GB+2.5-Inch+SATA+III+Internal+SSD+%28MZ-75E500B%2FAM%29&tag=lifehackeramzn-20&ascsubtag=%5Br|theoldreader.com%5Bt|link%5Bp|1679714645%5Ba|B00OBRE5UE%5Bau|5727177402741770316
[09:58] <Maaz> Kilos: That reduces to: http://is.gd/7JM8Q5
[09:58] <Kilos> use the bot in pm mode
[09:59] <smile> sorry, Kilos ;)
[09:59] <smile> Kilos: yeah, pretty expensive stuff ;)
[09:59] <smile> also pretty good stuff :D
[10:00] <smile> a new year's present from my parents :)
[10:00] <Kilos> lovely
[10:02] <smile> indeed :)
[10:03] <smile> now downloading 600 megabyte :P
[10:03] <smile> oh, 700 xD
[10:03] <smile> new graphics stack, new init system and new browsers :P
[10:04] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:05] <Kilos> spoiled
[10:06] <smile> oh yeah, new virtualbox too :P
[10:06] <smile> and wine :p
[10:06] <Kilos> whew
[10:06] <smile> I'm not sure my system will boot in a few moments :D
[10:06] <Kilos> haha
[10:08] <smile> Kilos: was it you who advised me to make money on the internet instead of working for free on Wikipedia? :P
[10:09] <Kilos> ya lol
[10:09] <smile> I'm on http://clixsense.com now ;)
[10:09] <smile> I earned 30 dollars already :)
[10:09] <Kilos> cool
[10:09] <smile> they pay via paypal, no fees :)
[10:10] <Kilos> nice
[10:10] <smile> yeah. I used adsclickcash.com too, but they are evil
[10:11] <smile> the fee is 1/2 of the amount they pay you
[10:11] <Kilos> ai!
[10:11] <smile> you need to be a member for at least 30 days
[10:11] <smile> and you can only ask for 1 dollar at a time
[10:11] <smile> and you need to wait 45 days for your next payment
[10:11] <Kilos> wow that sucks
[10:12] <Kilos> have they got any suckers working for them even?
[10:12] <smile> yeah. So I'm just getting my money away from that site into paypal every 45 days and I won't invest my time there any longer ;)
[10:12] <smile> lol, Kilos :p clixsense is more popular :)
[10:13] <smile> Kilos: they have paid about 1000 dollars
[10:13] <Kilos> peeps that use others badly shouldnt even be supported
[10:13] <smile> that means only 1000 payments
[10:13] <smile> on adsclickcash
[10:13] <smile> on clixsense: We've paid our 4,385,875 members $9,827,282.92 on time, every time!
[10:13] <smile> :)
[10:14] <Kilos> cool
[10:14] <Kilos> support those kinds of people
[10:14] <smile> yeah :D
[10:19] <smile> I like pacman ;) it's the package management system of Arch Linux
[10:19] <smile> you can run pacman multiple times :) that makes the best use of your bandwidth and cpu power
[10:34] <smile> rebooting :)
[10:47] <Kilos> hmm...
[10:47] <Kilos> whew i thought you broke it
[10:48] <smile> hi :)
[10:48] <smile> my computer is still booting ;)
[10:48] <Kilos> yay
[10:49] <smile> No, I had to reboot a few times to clean up my GRUB menu
[10:49] <smile> :)
[10:54] <Kilos> Maaz  seen inetpro
[10:54] <Maaz> Kilos: inetpro was last seen 21 hours, 4 minutes and 23 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-01-18 05:50:00 PST], and has been online on freenode since 2015-01-18 03:47:28 PST
[10:54] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:57]  * mazal must still find the proper way of cleaning up grub
[11:09] <Kilos> what is there to clean up?
[11:10] <Kilos> smile what do you do to clean up grub
[11:12] <mazal> Remove the old kernels
[11:13] <Kilos> if it aint broke dont fix it
[11:13] <mazal> Well that's mostly what is being done
[11:13] <Kilos> dpesnt apt-get autoclean do that
[11:13] <mazal> I dunno
[11:13] <Kilos> or apt-get clean
[11:14] <mazal> I tried it twice before and on both occasions I had system instability afterwards , that why I say I must find the proper way
[11:14]  * Trixar_za shakes head
[11:14] <Kilos> lol
[11:15] <mazal> I have 2 how-to's and neither worked lekker
[11:15] <Kilos> Trixar_za  explain man
[11:15] <Trixar_za> Cybercrime is so bad because of the wetware (human element), not the security of the systems themselves.
[11:16] <Trixar_za> Can't you use grub-update2 to update (and clean) the grub entries?
[11:17] <Kilos> my grub works so i leave it alone
[11:18] <Trixar_za> er, that should be grub2-update - lol
[11:19] <Trixar_za> I've broken mine a few times, so it's good to remember :P
[11:19] <Kilos> smile , explain man
[11:21] <inetpro> Kilos: I was not gone that long man
[11:21] <inetpro> good afternoon
[11:21] <Kilos> hi inetpro  yes you were
[11:21] <Kilos> maaz cant lie
[11:21] <Maaz> Kilos: *blink*
[11:21]  * inetpro was just quiet for that long
[11:22] <Kilos> good excuse
[11:22] <inetpro> how's yeah all doing?
[11:22] <Kilos> we working towards ubuntu membership
[11:23] <Kilos> go testify for the fly
[11:23] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/superfly
[11:23] <Kilos> we had long chats last night that you missed man
[11:25] <Kilos> and we had some fun with that gpg key thing
[11:25] <inetpro> hmm... I see
[11:25] <Kilos> mine told me after running a bit to do some other work as well to generate more bits
[11:25]  * inetpro will have to check later
[11:25] <Kilos> lol
[11:31] <Kilos> oh inetpro  how do we add stuff to the agenda now?
[11:32] <Kilos> 2 things to add in plans for 2015
[11:32] <inetpro> just edit like you edited before
[11:33] <inetpro> same system, nothing changed
[11:34] <Kilos> oh you mean add stuff next to the plans?
[11:34] <Kilos> before there was an add button man
[11:37] <Kilos> now ive forgotten what the 2 things were sigh
[11:37] <Kilos> one was membership
[11:39] <Kilos> how will noobs and list peeps add stuff to the agenda. not everyone knows about the edit thing
[11:40] <Kilos> that should be a gui function
[11:42] <smile> Kilos: grub customizer ;)
[11:42] <smile> thats a GUI tool
[11:43] <Kilos> what custromizing do you do
[11:43] <smile> I delete memtest from the list, also the advanced options get removed, and I rename some stuff to be easily readable
[11:43] <smile> And sometimes I change the order :)
[11:44] <Kilos> does memtest test everytime or only when you tick it
[11:45] <Kilos> mazal  sien jy nou
[11:45] <Kilos> ill leave well enough alone
[11:47] <mazal> Hoe nou wat nou ?
[11:48] <Kilos> lees^^
[11:48] <superfly> I updated the agenda
[11:48] <superfly> anyone else want to edit the agenda?
[11:48] <mazal> Ah ok , that's something else intirely
[11:48] <superfly> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20150127
[11:49] <mazal> smile , do you have dual-boot ?
[11:50] <Kilos> ah ty superfly  there were 2 things to discuss at the meeting, i forget the other one
[12:15] <mazal> Kilos , wrote for you as well. Didn't know you are also applying , saw it on agenda now
[12:15] <mazal> I added my 2 cents
[12:16] <Kilos> ty mazal  i havent any contributions so it will be a miracle if i get it
[12:17] <mazal> Might I ask , what is ubuntu membership about ? Do you get certain perks or something ?
[12:18] <Kilos> well for one
[12:18] <Kilos> you can hook your thumbs under your armpits and say i am a member
[12:18] <Kilos> lol also you can then request stuff from the loco council
[12:19] <mazal> And the loco council is the guys above all the loco's ?
[12:19] <Kilos> you become like a part of the family
[12:19] <Kilos> ya
[12:19] <Kilos> mazal  have you signed the code of conduct?
[12:20] <Kilos> sjoe dit was n mission
[12:20] <mazal> I signed few things a while back , I think that was one of them yes
[12:20] <Kilos> im sure the monkey helped me to do it years ago but it showed me as not signed
[12:21] <Kilos> i dont know if changing pcs makes it want you to sign again
[12:22] <Kilos> did you get a gpg key?
[12:22] <mazal> No that doesn't sound familiar
[12:22] <Kilos> then you havent signed it
[12:22] <Kilos> what a jog
[12:22] <Kilos> job as well
[12:23] <Kilos> your pc generates a key
[12:24] <Kilos> http://www.wikihow.com/Sign-the-Ubuntu-Code-of-Conduct
[12:25] <Kilos> the fly had to help me
[12:26] <Kilos> not HAD to help but had to HELP
[12:26] <mazal> Shees dis omtrent 'n storie en 'n half
[12:26] <Kilos> lol
[12:35] <smile> mazal: triple boot ;)
[12:35] <smile> I have to go
[12:35] <smile> see you alter
[12:36] <smile> * later
[12:46] <Kilos> wb ThatGraemeGuy
[12:47] <mazal> home time
[12:47] <mazal> Bye everyone , have a nice evening
[12:47] <Kilos> cheers mazal
[12:51] <Kilos> ohi gremble
[12:57] <gremble> Hey Kilos
[13:54] <Kilos> wb drussell  where you been man
[13:58] <drussell> Kilos: Hey! thanks. Holiday until last week, then travelling most of last week ;o) Hope you had a good Xmas/New Year?
[13:59] <Kilos> ya all good ty
[13:59] <Kilos> nice to have you back
[15:02] <charl> good afternoon
[15:02] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[15:02]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[15:06] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[15:06] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[15:06] <Maaz> charl: No problem
[15:06] <Kilos> hi charl
[15:07] <charl> hi Kilos
[15:07] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee please
[15:07] <Maaz> Kilos: There isn't a pot on
[15:07] <Kilos> oi
[15:07] <charl> Maaz is rude again today
[15:07] <Kilos> hehe
[15:07] <charl> how are you Kilos ?
[15:07] <Kilos> fine ty and you lad
[15:08] <Kilos> bit older and blinder but fine
[15:08] <charl> good, good
[15:08] <charl> blinder?
[15:08] <Kilos> ya one eye is blind and other one also cant see
[15:09] <charl> ah :(
[15:09] <Kilos> hehe but kde lets me enlarge text lekker without needing tweak tools
[15:10] <charl> yeah kde is pretty flexible
[15:11] <Kilos> mazal has also converted to kde
[15:11] <Kilos> been nagging him for a year to try it, now he raves about it
[15:11] <charl> a lot of people seem to be strangely negative towards kde
[15:11] <Kilos> ya weird
[15:12] <charl> it seems like people think because it's one of the older desktop environments that it's outdated or something
[15:12] <charl> that's unfortunate because the new kde looks pretty modern actually
[15:12] <Kilos> i tried it in 9.10 i think and couldnt even connect online so gave up till12.04
[15:12] <charl> it might lack in one or two areas but then nothing is perfect in any case
[15:12] <charl> i think the earlier versions of kubuntu were not very well supported
[15:13] <charl> if i remember correctly it was a personal project of 1 guy
[15:13] <charl> after 12.04 they started inserting more resources into it and things got better
[15:13] <Kilos> the fly and pro always saying they dont have probs because they use kde convinced me to give it a fair trial and now i love it
[15:13] <charl> but i stand to be corrected as i'm not entirely sure what the story was anymore
[15:13] <charl> yeah
[15:14] <Kilos> 12.04 is super stable
[15:14] <Kilos> i mean 14.04
[15:14] <Kilos> next will be 16.04
[15:15] <charl> 14.04 is a good release all-round
[15:15] <Kilos> lot of work to customize i find
[15:15] <charl> i try to keep my desktops up to date on the latest so running 14.10 right now is best for me
[15:15] <charl> but in the server park it's mostly the LTS releases
[15:15] <charl> yeah but all desktops take a lot of work if you really want to customise them
[15:15] <charl> i try to keep most things default as far as possible
[15:15] <Kilos> if i had adsl id keep upgrading but its too much data for 3g
[15:16] <Kilos> by customize i mean to show 10 workspaces and large text and make good sounds from irc
[15:17] <Kilos> channel messages here go pling and nick said goes bloep
[15:17] <Kilos> bell.ogg
[15:17] <charl> ah
[15:17] <Kilos> hey have you signed the ubuntu code of conduct?
[15:18] <charl> i haven't signed any of ubuntu anything
[15:18] <charl> why do i need to sign a code of conduct ?
[15:18] <charl> just to use an operating system even
[15:18] <Kilos> no man dodo
[15:19] <Kilos> we are pushing to get more ubuntu members registered
[15:19] <charl> ah
[15:20] <Kilos> we only have 4 and three arent here anymore
[15:20] <charl> well i'm a user of ubuntu but so i am a user of a lot of stuff, i tend not to register for something unless absolutely necessary
[15:20] <Kilos> so the loco council suggested we get more
[15:20] <charl> what benefit is there to being a member?
[15:21] <Kilos> thats too involved to answer
[15:21] <charl> ah :) ok
[15:21] <Kilos> like why do you come to this channel
[15:21] <charl> just to hang out :P
[15:21] <charl> same reason as i am on 7+ other irc channels
[15:21] <Kilos> right because its a good place to hang out
[15:21] <charl> yup
[15:22] <Kilos> ill let you know the perks when i get them written down sometime
[15:23] <Kilos> main one is being part of the ubuntu community
[15:24] <Kilos> go see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20150127
[15:24] <charl> checking
[15:24] <Kilos> testimonials are the order of the day
[15:25] <charl> ah yes
[15:25] <charl> interesting
[15:26] <charl> oh i see, you need to get testimonials written for you in order to get membership ?
[15:26] <charl> i'm not going to expect people to write testimonials for me :P
[15:26] <Kilos> i do yes because i havent contributed like other peeps do
[15:26] <charl> i just help out a bit between here and there
[15:26] <charl> ah ?
[15:27] <charl> i guess if you're contributor to the ubuntu project itself you automatically get membership
[15:27] <Kilos> no they also have to apply
[15:27] <charl> ah but then it's easy
[15:27] <Kilos> the fly even has a package in the repos
[15:27] <charl> because you simply say you've done x and y and you get membership
[15:28] <charl> that's awesome ! which package ?
[15:28] <Kilos> they can ya
[15:28] <Kilos> openlp
[15:28] <Kilos> read his page from that link
[15:28] <Kilos> he does lots
[15:28] <charl> nice !
[15:28] <charl> $ apt-cache show openlp|grep Maintainer
[15:28] <charl> Maintainer: Ubuntu Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:28] <charl> Original-Maintainer: Raoul Snyman<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:28] <charl> that's pretty cool
[15:29] <Kilos> yeah
[15:29] <charl> if i would ever want to contribute i would do that as well, maintaining up to date packages is important
[15:30] <charl> but yeah i have so much on my plate if i start yet more projects i will end up getting sunk
[15:30] <Kilos> lol
[16:14] <Kilos> hi Tonberry_
[16:14] <Tonberry_> hi
[16:24] <Kilos> ha bduk1  minetest time?
[16:44] <Kilos> hi octoquad
[16:44] <octoquad> hello Kilos
[16:44] <octoquad> :)
[16:44] <Kilos> hehe
[16:44] <Kilos> :-)
[16:44] <octoquad> so I saw something about apt-offline in the mailing list... is this to be discussed in the upcoming meeting next week?
[16:44] <Kilos> i can see them but still gotta type it
[16:45] <Kilos> yes
[16:45] <Kilos> we looked at it, lots of work
[16:45] <octoquad> really? What's the plan/blueprint for its use...
[16:46] <octoquad> reading the docs: http://apt-offline.alioth.debian.org/
[16:46] <octoquad> I see where this is going
[16:50] <octoquad> actually reading this though: http://www.debian-administration.org/article/648/Offline_Package_Management_for_APT
[16:52] <Kilos> work it out then we can discuss it more at the meet. maybe get a few more peeps to look at it
[16:53] <octoquad> well, I get the jist of it, just not sure what the plan is...I'll wait for the meeting and chime in
[16:53] <Kilos> the thing is at the meeting there isnt time to then still research something
[16:54] <Kilos> we looked at it and there were suggestions of easier ways of doing things
[16:54] <Kilos> like carrying the repos around
[16:55] <Kilos> just keeping them up to date will be a pain but then the same will apply to apt-offline i think
[17:06] <gremble> What is apt-offline?
[17:22] <Kilos> its a kinda program where you can get all updates and packages on one pc then transfer them to other pcs that havent got internet
[17:22] <Kilos> sorry i took so long, busy eating
[17:29] <Kilos> hi smile
[17:30] <smile> hi :)
[17:30] <smile> a few moments ago chatzilla got stuck loading
[17:30] <smile> never happened before
[17:30] <smile> second try was a good one :)
[17:30] <Kilos> lol
[17:38] <gremble> I really just want to watch lecture videos, but I can't, the internet is too slow
[17:39] <gremble> :(
[17:39] <gremble> Right now it sucks to be a South Africa
[17:39] <gremble> n*
[17:39] <Kilos> ai!
[17:39] <Kilos> cant you download them then watch locally
[18:10] <gremble> I could
[18:10] <gremble> Would still take the same amount of time
[18:11] <Kilos> ya but download now for tomorrows watching
[18:11] <Kilos> cant you wget them
[18:12] <gremble> Rather just use the website portal to download them
[18:17] <Kilos> ya whatever way just plan ahead. waiting for vids that buffer all the time is maddening
[18:18] <Kilos> i had that prob wit gprs signal
[18:18] <Kilos> with
[18:18] <Kilos> evening superfly
[18:21] <magespawn> good evening
[18:22] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[18:22] <Kilos> your turn to go sign the code of conduct
[18:22] <Kilos> hehe
[18:34] <Kilos> inetpro  i forgot that funny word you used so i just made a miscellaneous section
[18:48] <magespawn> i signed sometime ago Kilos, unless i need to resign?
[18:49] <Kilos> i think if you on another pc you need to
[18:49] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:49] <Kilos> because i see there is another gpg key there of mine but it said i hadnt signed
[18:50] <Kilos> maybe someone can enlighten me
[18:53] <Kilos> just go see your page and it will say whether you have signed
[18:53] <Kilos> hmm... SDCDev  hopping hey
[19:01] <inetpro> Kilos: funny word?
[19:01] <inetpro> good evening
[19:01] <Kilos> evening. if i could remember it id tell you
[19:02] <Kilos> the word for other things to discuss at meetings
[19:02] <superfly> hi Kilos
[19:03] <magespawn> hi superfly inetpro
[19:03] <superfly> hey magespawn
[19:03] <superfly> magespawn: if you haven't yet, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/superfly -- I'm applying for Ubuntu membership
[19:06] <inetpro> Kilos: best is to discuss and research apt-offline before the meeting
[19:07] <inetpro> then just report back progress at the meeting
[19:07] <Kilos> yes inetpro  i agree but it needs someone with savvy to investigate it
[19:08] <inetpro> get octoquad to help you with the research
[19:08] <Kilos> to help you man
[19:08] <Kilos> its too involved for me to understand
[19:09]  * inetpro is too tired
[19:09] <charl> good evening
[19:09] <charl> hi inetpro, superfly, Kilos, magespawn
[19:09] <inetpro> hello charl
[19:09] <Kilos> lol
[19:09] <Kilos> hi charl
[19:10] <Kilos> inetpro  are you writing testimonials?
[19:11] <inetpro> superfly: what is your due date?
[19:14] <magespawn> hi charl
[19:14] <magespawn> cool superfly, i'l check it out
[19:18] <inetpro> superfly: hmm... that graeme guy forgot to post the three words on the wiki
[19:19] <superfly> inetpro: we'll have to remind him tomorrow
[19:19] <superfly> inetpro: my due date? I'm not pregnant...?
[19:19] <inetpro> lmga
[19:19] <inetpro> you know what I mean
[19:19] <magespawn> lol
[19:19] <Kilos> lol
[19:20] <Kilos> twits
[19:20] <magespawn> another one superfly? putting the super in fly
[19:20] <magespawn> brb
[19:20] <magespawn> \/exit
[19:20] <inetpro> superfly: what's the next step after testimonials?
[19:20] <Kilos> application to the loco
[19:21] <inetpro> have you applied yet?
[19:21] <Kilos> after meeting
[19:21] <superfly> No. You have to add your name to the list.
[19:21] <Kilos> first we fishing for 3 words
[19:21] <superfly> "The next 22:00 UTC meeting will be at Thursday, February 5th, 2014 at 22:00:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting on irc.freenode.net."
[19:21] <superfly> "The next 12:00 UTC meeting will be at Wednesday, January 21st, 2014 at 12:00:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting on irc.freenode.net."
[19:22] <inetpro> what council is this?
[19:22] <superfly> I can't do 12:00 UTC, I'm going to have to go for the 22:00 UTC
[19:22] <superfly> The Ubuntu membership council
[19:22] <inetpro> ah
[19:23] <superfly> inetpro: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/NewMember#Preparing_your_Application
[19:25] <inetpro> hmm... 12:00 UTC = 14:00 SAST ?
[19:25] <superfly> yes
[19:26] <superfly> Oh wow, Kilos, you got a recommendation from drubin!
[19:26] <Kilos> oh my
[19:26] <Kilos> where did you see that
[19:26] <Kilos> how does he know
[19:26] <inetpro> yikes and 22:00 UTC is midnight
[19:27] <inetpro> nice writeup by drubin as well
[19:27] <Kilos> where do you see this??
[19:28] <inetpro> Kilos: on your page man
[19:28] <Kilos> oh my
[19:28] <Kilos> how does he know
[19:29] <inetpro> Kilos: go to your page and click subscribe
[19:29] <inetpro> then you get an email every time someone edits it
[19:29] <inetpro> the wiki is just superslow today
[19:30] <Kilos> oh wow
[19:31] <magespawn> superfly, you want new comments above or below the note about the sig command?
[19:31] <Kilos> sig at end
[19:31] <superfly> magespawn: above
[19:32] <Kilos> inetpro  where is drubin and how would he even know i want to apply
[19:32] <Kilos> and how do i thank him
[19:33] <inetpro> Kilos: he knows it all
[19:33] <Kilos> how
[19:34] <inetpro> he's still on the mailing list
[19:34] <inetpro> I guess
[19:35] <Kilos> haha now you know why i need so much help
[19:35] <Kilos> my AI is getting worn
[19:35] <octoquad> inetpro, Kilos, Re: apt-offline, let me know what the plan is around this and I'll look into it
[19:35] <inetpro> Kilos: send him a message to drubin (-AT-) ubuntu (-DOT-) com
[19:36] <Kilos> now im lost
[19:36] <superfly> Kilos: apt-offline is really easy, but I'll explain on the mailing list.
[19:36] <Kilos> octoquad  see if you can figure it all out then we can discuss it here before the meeting
[19:37] <Kilos> ah ty superfly
[19:37] <inetpro> Kilos: he said mailing list
[19:37] <Kilos> who?
[19:37] <inetpro> superfly: you think it would be worth it?
[19:38] <Kilos> inetpro  ping
[19:38] <inetpro> Kilos: pong
[19:38] <Kilos> what do i do with that command
[19:38] <Kilos> hehe\
[19:38] <Kilos> send him a message how
[19:38] <inetpro> ai!
[19:38] <superfly> magespawn: no pregnancy, inetpro was asking which review session I'm choosing for my Ubuntu membership application
[19:39] <inetpro> Kilos: (-AT-) = @
[19:39] <Kilos> oh
[19:39] <inetpro> Kilos:  (-DOT-) = .
[19:39] <Kilos> lol
[19:39] <Kilos> why dont you say so man or pm me
[19:41] <inetpro> Kilos: it's on his public page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/drubin
[19:43] <inetpro> that is how you put email addresses on a web page to prevent email address harvesting
[19:47] <Kilos> aha
[19:47] <Kilos> i tried to save hgis addy in evo the normal way. and it made that funny thing and crashed evo
[19:47] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:49] <magespawn> good night all, bed time for me
[19:49] <Kilos> night magespawn
[19:49] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:50] <Kilos> An application has crashed on your system (now or in the past)
[19:51] <Kilos> sigh
[19:59] <Kilos> oh my. reading other peeps pages makes me skaam
[20:14] <smile> night
[20:28] <Kilos> night guys. sleep tight
[20:34] <Kilos> Maaz  hi
[20:34]  * Maaz waves to Kilos
[20:35] <Kilos> superfly  ty for the apt-offline info
[20:35] <Kilos> sleep tight
[20:35] <superfly> yw