[00:04] <rotten777> So... installing Kubuntu 11.10 on my workstation with a nVidia card and Intel SSD... everything went great until trying to use the binary nvidia-settings which evidently doesn't install the prerequisite "python-gtk2" to actually SAVE the configuration when changed.... and it only lasted about 3 boots until I had a 51GB ".xsession-errors" file that filled my drive not allowing X to start.
[00:04] <rotten777> seriously I had to remove the file and link /dev/null to .xsession-errors as to not fill my drive again
[00:05] <Daskreech> antonio_: sorry you can ask in #samba as well.
[00:05] <Daskreech> rotten777: install python-gtk2 then?
[00:05] <rotten777> Daskreech it is fixed already... I was just amazed how terrible an experience 11.10 has been
[00:06] <rotten777> why isn't python-gtk2 installed with nvidia-settings
[00:06] <Daskreech> rotten777: I'm not sure. Ask nvidia
[00:06] <rotten777> nVidia configures apt package requirements for Kubuntu?
[00:07] <Daskreech> !info nvidia-settigns
[00:07] <Daskreech> !info nvidia-settings
[00:07] <Daskreech> rotten777: mail the maintainer
[00:07] <rotten777> matthew@hws:~$ apt-cache search nvidia-settings
[00:07] <rotten777> nvidia-settings - Tool of configuring the NVIDIA graphics driver
[00:07] <rotten777> nvidia-settings-updates - Tool of configuring the NVIDIA graphics driver
[00:07] <rotten777> matthew@hws:~$
[00:08] <rotten777> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-settings/+bug/721453
[00:08] <rotten777> it is a known bug
[00:08] <rotten777> Daskreech who is the maintainer?
[00:08] <Daskreech> ah well then I guess a fix is coming
[00:08] <Daskreech> rotten777: it's on the package info
[00:09] <rotten777> k checking. thanks!
[00:09] <Daskreech> THough if there is a bug then it's probably better to put your comments there so they can be public
[00:12] <rotten777> k
[00:12] <rotten777> any complains about firefox speed in 11.10?
[00:14] <Daskreech> I've not had any
[00:14] <Daskreech> though I open it maybe once a month
[00:14] <rotten777> I think thats what was filling my .xsession-errors file. I'm almost scared to bring it back from /dev/null.
[00:15] <rotten777> are you a rekonq user?
[00:32] <krian> Just installed kubuntu for the first time.  Any good tips or websites for a first timer?
[00:34] <vehemoth> Daskreech: how's things?
[00:34] <Daskreech> rotten777: didy ou look in the file?
[00:35] <Daskreech> krian: Tip. hang around for more than 5 minutes
[00:35] <rotten777> Daskreech the xsessions file or the package?
[00:35] <Daskreech> vehemoth: I'm ok
[00:35] <Daskreech> rotten777: the file
[00:35] <rotten777> no i deleted it
[00:35] <rotten777> but upon googling it's a common problem
[00:36] <vehemoth> Daskreech: that's good
[00:39] <Daskreech> rotten777: yeah but still would be nice to know what was causing it
[00:40] <rotten777> i'll remove the symlink and let it fill up and come back on here once it's got something to report
[00:42] <Daskreech> You can just monitor it once it's like 500 megs to one gigglebyte it's already way too big. You can copy it and resymlink
[00:43] <rotten777> it went from 0 to 51GB in less than an hour
[00:43] <rotten777> i'd imagine it's a looped error
[00:43] <rotten777> but i will keep an eye and come back when i have a good idea what it is
[00:50] <Daskreech> ok
[01:00] <rotten777> Daskreech it started filling up with nepomuk data... I don't have nepomuk set to run at startup but evidently it is being referenced
[01:01] <rotten777> Daskreech nevermind that was another file I was tailing
[01:05] <Daskreech> rotten777: which file?
[01:09] <Daskreech> last time I had .xsession-errors grow to 62 GBs it was nepomuk and akonadi fighting
[01:20] <Mesaph> Hi, i need help. I installed kubuntu 11.10 yesterday on my netbook, but it crashed 4 times and i cant figure out why. The Screen turns black, a lot of text scrolls through the window and it ends with "panic occured; switching to text console"
[01:21] <Mesaph> i cant find a log of any of the crashes, but im fairly new to linux, so i might miss something obvious
[01:22] <Mesaph> google doesnt help much, there are various threads of people who get a similiar error message, but it doesnt seem related as my crash isnt really reproducable..
[01:33] <lethu> Mesaph, does this occur on every boot?
[02:16] <phiscribe> __________________|_______________________
[02:18] <phiscribe> all seems calm in kubuntu land, could bug fixes be multipling like ethoturbobunnies thus the smooth sea of parts and joins?
[02:19] <phiscribe> or were there that many causualties?
[02:26] <Daskreech> phiscribe: probably if someone if coding
[04:05] <westyvw> anyone find a fix to keep rekonq from crashing when using kget
[04:05] <westyvw> thought about getting a ppa
[04:07] <spacebug-> westyvw: is it a known bug?
[04:08] <westyvw> spacebug-: yes i think it might be, i thought i saw something about it
[04:08] <spacebug-> ok
[04:09] <westyvw> spacebug-: but it is hard to make sure beacuase it has happened on and off for the last 2 years
[04:09] <spacebug-> hum
[04:09] <spacebug-> could you give me something to try?
[04:12] <spacebug-> ok tried it now
[04:14] <spacebug-> ran it in a terminal now and got "The program 'rekonq' received an X Window System error." and more error ouput
[04:14] <westyvw> yep me too
[04:16] <westyvw> not sure if that has been filed with kubuntu or not
[04:18] <spacebug-> actually now I removed kget and still rekonq crashes when I try to download something
[04:49] <bigsley> Hey where am i
[04:49] <well_laid_lawn> !#kubuntu
[04:50] <bigsley> whattafuck
[04:50] <well_laid_lawn> !language | bigsley
[04:51] <bigsley> Are these bots or something
[04:51] <well_laid_lawn> ubottuis a bot
[04:51] <well_laid_lawn> !bot
[04:52] <well_laid_lawn> I'm not a bot
[04:52] <Guest53525> oh man! this happens everytime!
[04:52] <bigsley> well laid hi there where are u from
[04:53] <well_laid_lawn> Guest53525: you shouldn't irc as root
[04:53] <well_laid_lawn> bigsley: I'm from aus and there is a offtopic channel if you want to chat
[04:53] <well_laid_lawn> this is a support channel
[04:53] <Guest53525> you mean the name shouldn't be root?
[04:53] <well_laid_lawn> the user shouldn't be root
[04:53] <well_laid_lawn> !root
[04:54] <bigsley> oh seems to me i'm in the wrong place
[04:54] <well_laid_lawn> !offtopic
[04:54] <well_laid_lawn> bigsley: where did you want to go?
[04:55] <well_laid_lawn> bigsley: keep it in the channel please
[06:15] <BentFranklin> I have an old ATI All-in-Wonder card, been using it for video but it also has a coax jack in it for tv & a tv tuner.  It worked under Windows 2000.  Want to play VCR tapes into it and capture video to disk.  How can I find out if there are drivers for this card?
[06:17] <vehemoth> do you know the model number, if so you can usually search for it and find something
[06:18] <vehemoth> alternatively you can install it and a capture program and try it out
[06:49] <BentFranklin> vehemoth: It looks like my card isn't well supported, at least for tv input.  I think I'll just move the card to an old legacy Win2000 box I keep around.
[06:54] <vehemoth> BentFranklin: okay
[08:14] <ryrych> hi
[08:15] <ryrych> Kubuntu 11.4/11.10 – one - twice a day X server is terminated unexpectedly
[08:19] <well_laid_lawn> I'd check in ~/.xsession-errors if it exists
[08:24] <ryrych> well_laid_lawn: new session has overwritten it (in the meantime there was restart)
[08:31] <well_laid_lawn> ryrych: next time you'll have to back it up maybe
[08:49] <ryrych> well_laid_lawn: it happened again. It occured at 09:41 but .xsession-errors starts after that
[08:50] <well_laid_lawn> ryrych: when it crashes you'll have to go to a tty and backup the file from there afaik
[08:50] <well_laid_lawn> before you start X again
[08:51] <ryrych> well_laid_lawn: the problem is it restarts automatically
[08:51] <ryrych> and return to kdm
[08:52] <ryrych> ah, I see
[08:52] <ryrych> from tty
[08:54] <well_laid_lawn> ryrych: you can get to a tty and back?
[09:01] <ryrych> well_laid_lawn: I’ve got it
[09:01] <ryrych> but don't know what to look for
[09:01] <ryrych> it’s third time in a row today ;(
[09:03] <well_laid_lawn> ryrych: I'd start from the last line and work back
[09:05] <ryrych> well_laid_lawn: I did, but it doesn't tell me anything. Could you look at it?
[09:05] <well_laid_lawn> !paste
[09:05] <well_laid_lawn> sure
[09:06] <ryrych> well_laid_lawn: thanks, http://paste.ubuntu.com/723042/
[09:08] <well_laid_lawn> ryrych: the last lines are about akonadi and nepomuk crashing
[09:08] <well_laid_lawn> seems they take the desktop down with them
[09:09] <ryrych> what about "X Error: BadWindow"?
[09:11] <well_laid_lawn> ryrych: they're all errors in that errors file
[09:11] <well_laid_lawn> the last ones are the ones near the end of the xsession
[09:11] <well_laid_lawn> there's no timemarks on the errors
[09:13] <ryrych> well_laid_lawn: do you think it is nepomuk/akonadi fault?
[09:13] <ryrych> and is it Kubuntu or KDE related?
[09:14] <well_laid_lawn> ryrych: most of the errors are from nepomuk
[09:15] <well_laid_lawn> I'd try disabling that first as a check
[09:20] <ryrych> well_laid_lawn: but why does Nepomuk affect X server? Hm
[09:20] <well_laid_lawn> no idea at all - but it shows in xsesion-errors
[09:21] <well_laid_lawn> s/si/ssi/
[09:22] <ryrych> well_laid_lawn: thanks, I'll fill in a bug report :)
[09:23] <well_laid_lawn> cheers :)
[10:52] <mirrakor> is someone here who wants to test a QT flash card application? (I just did my first try with a ubuntu ppa)
[11:14] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:14] <gnuman> hello
[12:16] <gnuman> hello anyone?
[12:27] <gnuman> hello
[12:27] <gnuman> anyone?
[12:29] <joe___> hi ^^
[12:30] <jo_> hello
[12:31] <jo_> i am new here..just would like to see how is this working..
[12:31] <gnuman> anyone here uses red hat or slackware?
[12:32] <jo_>  /msg NickServ help
[12:33] <jo_> how is this works? (change nick for example..)?
[12:35] <jo_> ?
[12:37] <mirrakor> jo_: ping
[12:37] <BluesKaj> jo_, /nick mewnick
[12:37] <BluesKaj> newnick :)
[12:37] <jo_> i  don't underdtand :(
[12:38] <BluesKaj> jo, you want to change your nick ?
[12:38] <mirrakor> jo_: you only speak Greek?
[12:38] <jo_> nooo
[12:38] <jo_> i mean the orology here
[12:39] <BluesKaj> orology?
[12:39] <jo_> what was this few line above with orange lines?
[12:39] <Metatron> irc takes commands inside the chat box, these are prefixied with /    so /nick brandnewneickname  is something you can type  or /me  scrathes head
[12:40]  * Metatron scratches head
[12:40] <BluesKaj> server messages of people joining and quitting
[12:40] <jo_> aa..
[12:41] <jo_> so you that's how i can change  my nickname?
[12:41] <jo_> :)
[12:41] <mirrakor> pay attention that there is no leading space in front of it, otherwise you'll type it as a textmessage
[12:41] <mirrakor> jo_: exactly
[12:41] <mirrakor> but it only works, if the nick name you want to use is not already used by someone else
[12:42] <zorro_el> heyy
[12:42]  * joe___ scratching head :D
[12:42] <zorro_el> it works fine
[12:42] <zorro_el> i am now zorro_el i see
[12:42] <zorro_el> i am sorry for the lack of knowlwdge...
[12:43] <zorro_el> instead i a m very familiar with computers, i don't know many things about commands, but it seems so interesting to me, better than "clicking" mouse buttons, so i would like (try) to learn!
[12:47] <annalena> hello i have a little problem in libre office, those little help texts when the mouse curser stays for a while on a button do have black letters on gray backround,  i would like to change the letters to white
[12:49] <annalena> i think the problem is the black letters are from the gtk theme and the gray backround from KDE
[12:54] <u19809> HI all, I need to install the libqt-mysql:386 libraries. However they depend on libmysqlclient which is apparently not yet multiarch ... what can I do ?
[12:55] <BluesKaj> annalena, I'm using kde theme and the default is blck lettering on whatever colour theme you've chosen
[12:55] <BluesKaj> black
[12:56] <BluesKaj> u19809, install ia32-libs if you haven't already , but that's no gurantee either
[12:56] <u19809> ia32-libs is that still relevant for 11.10 ? I understand 32 bit support is handled differently ...
[12:57] <u19809> ia32 is installed
[12:57] <joe___> annalena; you can change the colors in system-settings-->appearence-->colors
[12:57] <BluesKaj> google earth pretends to have a 64 bit version but it brings it's own 32 bit libs , but still doesn't work on my 64 bit pc
[12:58] <annalena> joe___: libre office as an gtk programm so im not sur eif the kde colorssettings will apply
[12:59] <BluesKaj> u19809, I guess multiarch support doesn't work for everything
[13:00] <u19809> probably but that means I cannot install qt32 ;(
[13:11] <u19809> honestly ... this akonadi nepomuk stuff pisses me off enormously ... my system is SLOW and I cannot get kate to open a file anymore ...
[13:19] <spacebug-> hum, rekonq crash everytime I try to download a file
[13:21] <joe___> did you try downloading the file with other progs, eg wget?
[13:21] <Peace-> spacebug-: use another browser for me rekonq is not a serious browser
[13:24] <spacebug-> joe___: yes. Peace-: I normally don't use it but I talked to a person here last night who said there was a problem with kget and rekonq so I tried and it crashed, then I tried after removing kget and same still crash
[13:26] <Peace-> spacebug-: i don't really like rekonq is not a browser even for this kind of problem ...
[13:27] <spacebug-> yeah well, just thought maybe the developers would like to know. Maybe they already do
[14:10] <ArchangelSe7en> off I go
[14:21] <TeslaTony> I recently removed lightdm, but kdm didn't automatically step in. How do I reactivate it?
[14:46] <spacebug-> how can I watch quicktime movies in kubuntu/firefox ?
[14:48] <Girly-Girl> download the .mov and use VLC
[14:49] <spacebug-> so there is not support for it in browser?
[14:50] <spacebug-> it worked with totem-plugins
[14:51] <martin__> how would I make my own KDM theme?
[14:55] <lelamal> hi all, once I could get the preview of webpages in Quassel by mouse-hovering over links, but now it's not working anymore. How can I get it back, please?
[15:14] <mfraz74> What image is the bitmap flag screensaver supposed to be showing?
[15:15] <martin__> okay figured - but how do I take a screenshot when I'm looking at the login screen?
[15:17] <mfraz74> The image I'm seeing looks like the old KDE 3 error icon
[15:18] <mfraz74> This one - http://www.opensync.org/attachment/ticket/145/opensync_kdepim_crash.png
[15:20] <BluesKaj> martin__, did you try prtscn key?
[15:21] <martin__> BluesKaj: yes
[15:23] <BluesKaj> and the image wasn't saved in ~/Documents , martin__ ?
[15:23] <martin__> hm, maybe
[15:23] <martin__> let me check
[15:23] <gnuman__> hahaha
[15:24] <BluesKaj> gnuman__, care to share your humour ?
[15:25] <martin__> BluesKaj: it didn't
[15:26] <BluesKaj> ok  martin__ , bummer ..maybe you have to use the enter key after using printscreen
[15:27] <martin__> BluesKaj: you mean it'd press "Copy" in KSnapshot?
[15:28] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[15:28] <BluesKaj> it might save the image until you get to the desktop and then you could "save as"
[15:29] <BluesKaj> hey phoenix_firebrd
[15:29] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: hi
[15:29] <martin__> BluesKaj: hm yeah good point
[15:30] <BluesKaj> martin__, heh , I'm just guessing
[15:30] <martin__> http://linuxtidbits.wordpress.com/2009/12/07/taking-a-kdm-screenshot/
[15:30] <martin__> I'll try that
[15:32] <martin__> aw it's outdated
[15:32] <BluesKaj> it might work tho
[15:32] <martin__> the file doesn't exist
[15:35] <lelamal> hi all, once I could get the Website preview for sites linked to in the conversation in Quassel by mouse-hovering over links, but now it's not working anymore. Is it working for you? How can I get it back, please?
[16:41] <pangolin> why is it when I click on the volume manager or network manager it appears at the top of my screen instead of at the bottom near the panel like it used to?
[16:47] <u19809> rekonq cannot access any urls ... get undefined symbol in kio_http.so ... using 11.10
[16:50] <abe> hi all. I am thinking of installing kubuntu via SSH on LVM having a minimal KDE only. Would the alternate CD iso work in this case? I can't find much details on what the alternate CD can or cannot do.
[16:51] <abe> or I should ask if the kubuntu alternate CD would provide me with such option.  or would another route be easier :)
[17:05] <seele> how do i turn off akonadi and nepomuk? i get a ton of notifications every time i boot and i dont really need either on my laptop
[17:15] <BluesKaj> seele, you could remove akonadi.conf...rather drastic but I have it turned off anyway
[17:17] <erinaceus> seele, how about going into the Service Manager and turning off Nepomuk and akonadi?
[17:18] <Belial`> anyone else noticing random times where thumbnail previews stop working in the taskbar after a reboot or logging out and back in?
[17:23] <BluesKaj> seele, is it that annoying mail dispatcher agent notification? if so , rm ~/.config/akonadi/*
[17:24] <seele> BluesKaj: erinaceus: thanks, that sounds like the solution
[17:39] <sanzante> hi... I've upgraded to 11.10, now sound is crazy, when I play some KDE sound (for example with Phonon config dialog) Pulseaudio mutes channel
[17:39] <sanzante> if you umute channel you can hear the sound for less than a second, just until Pulseaudio mutes it again :(
[17:39] <sanzante> weird, isn't?
[17:52] <sanzante> without PulseAudio Amarok can't play sounds.. well , Amarok says is playing, but no sound
[17:55] <lethu> sanzante, try unmuting with alsamixer
[17:55] <sanzante> done, no luck
[17:55] <sanzante> seems that pulse audio has more priority
[17:56] <lethu> sanzante, open kmixer then check your soundcard priority
[17:57] <sanzante> I've disabled the Nvidia HDMI device and it's only enabled the internal audiocard
[17:57] <sanzante> in phonon dialog is the first device
[17:57] <sanzante> if I play the test sound I can hear it if I unmute channel... until pulseaudio mutes it
[17:58] <sanzante> I suppose it's pulseaudio because unistalling it there's no weird mutting behavior
[17:58] <lethu> mhh
[17:58] <sanzante> I can unmute channel using pulse audio.. ok.. it keeps unmuted.. until I push phonon test sound: cahnel is muted instantly
[17:59] <sanzante> cool, isn't? :D
[18:02] <lethu> sanzante, rather weird
[18:02] <lethu> sanzante, try this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1145603
[18:02] <sanzante> I read in the changelog that KDE 4.7 improved PulseAudio support... is better to just unisntall PulseAudio? I don't use Gnome, only some of its applitactions..
[18:03] <sanzante> trying your link..
[18:13] <TEP|CLI> i tried to install a new theme onto KDM, but it returned "Cannot read sfc.xml", and it bumped me into one of the TTYs.  Is there any way I can reset the KDM login window theme via command line?
[18:13] <sanzante> thanks lethu, trying from gnome, rebooting desktop...
[18:13] <TEP|CLI> or do I have to uninstall and reinstall KDM?
[18:14] <lethu> TEP|CLI, hold on
[18:16] <TheEvilPhoenix> ugh
[18:16] <TheEvilPhoenix> lethu:  you'll have to forgive me for dying like that - i ran into some net issues
[18:17] <TheEvilPhoenix> lethu:  i *temporarily* reverted to GDM (I had put KDE on top of standard Ubuntu)
[18:17] <TheEvilPhoenix> lethu:  so i can start fixing things :P
[18:17]  * TheEvilPhoenix has the GUI again
[18:17] <lethu> TheEvilPhoenix, np, you can fix it by editing /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc
[18:18] <TheEvilPhoenix> lethu:  i reverted the login screen back to the default :P
[18:18] <TheEvilPhoenix> lethu:  *after* forcibly rebooting the system and putting GDM back onto the login system with dpkg-reconfigure
[18:18] <lethu> TheEvilPhoenix, cool
[18:18] <TheEvilPhoenix> lethu:  in any case, there's got to be a reason the XML for the theme wasnt read
[18:18] <TheEvilPhoenix> it said "Cannot read /usr/share/blah/sfc.xml"
[18:18] <lethu> TheEvilPhoenix, was it a new theme?
[18:18] <TheEvilPhoenix> mhm
[18:19] <TheEvilPhoenix> one i was creating
[18:19] <lethu> TheEvilPhoenix, check for syntax/etc.. errors
[18:19] <TheEvilPhoenix> oh lol
[18:19] <TheEvilPhoenix> i found the reason
[18:19] <TheEvilPhoenix> >.>
[18:19] <TheEvilPhoenix> the thing accidentially deleted the .xml
[18:19] <TheEvilPhoenix> explains why everything exploded
[18:19]  * TheEvilPhoenix slaps his computer
[18:20] <lethu> ah, glad you found out
[18:20] <TheEvilPhoenix> yeah, i needed the GUI to do that though :P
[18:21] <lethu> next time you can edit  /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc
[18:21] <lethu> and look for the THEME line
[18:21] <TheEvilPhoenix> yep
[18:21] <TheEvilPhoenix> (the other reason i rebooted into the GUI... the tty's keep throwing USB errors - a known bug on this hardware)
[18:22] <lethu> aww
[18:22] <TheEvilPhoenix> which messes with irssi
[18:22] <TheEvilPhoenix> brb trying this again
[18:25] <TheEvilPhoenix> w00t it worked :P
[18:26] <lethu> nice
[18:30] <irshadahmead> any one der 4 me
[18:30] <TheEvilPhoenix> lethu:  tbph, i thought my system was fubar'd for a bit :P
[18:30] <TheEvilPhoenix> lethu:  is there any way to screenshot the login screen pre-login?
[18:33] <lethu> TheEvilPhoenix, there is, but you'll have to look it up, I don't remember it
[18:33] <TheEvilPhoenix> GOOGLIFICATION!  ;P
[18:33] <lethu> ;)
[18:37] <TheEvilPhoenix> eww it requires a ton of things to work
[18:37]  * TheEvilPhoenix refuses to do this
[18:37] <TheEvilPhoenix> :P
[18:37] <TheEvilPhoenix> it'd be easier just loading this in a VM :P
[18:39] <BluesKaj> TheEvilPhoenix, http://linuxtidbits.wordpress.com/2009/12/07/taking-a-kdm-screenshot/
[18:40] <TheEvilPhoenix> BluesKaj:  thanks
[18:46] <Snowhog> Anyone using Quassel (Version: 0.3.7 (dist-7db97a6)) notice that the preview of embedded hyperlinks no longer works?
[18:51] <yofel> Snowhog: do you mean 0.7.3 ?
[18:51] <Snowhog> yofel: Ooops. Yes. Sorry; typo.
[19:04] <antlarr> hi
[19:05] <antlarr> anybody had a problem with knetworkmanager in which it shows there's connection, but the computer doesn't get an IP?
[19:08] <BluesKaj> antlarr, run sudo dhclient eth0 , for ethernet or  wlan0 for wifi
[19:15] <BluesKaj> antlarr, afterwards to find your pc IP , run ifconfig , then the IP is,  inet addr:192.168.X.X
[19:21] <antlarr> BluesKaj: yes, I know that, but I don't seem to get any ip from dhclient
[19:23] <BluesKaj> ant you're connected dhclient doesn't show an IP , but one does get assigned if it shows in inet address
[19:23] <BluesKaj> antlarr,^
[19:24] <antlarr> <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:25] <antlarr> that doesn't seem too right to me
[19:25] <BluesKaj> route -n . what does that give?
[19:30] <antlarr> I did a dhclient and I'm waiting for it to finish
[19:30] <antlarr> as soon as it finish, I'll see the ip and the route
[19:35] <khear> hi, is there a way to hide the Hibernate and Sleep options from the K-menu, so that I won't accidentally choose them (like i did, and the machine wouldn't wake up)?
[19:35] <BluesKaj> 169.254 looks like a subnet
[19:36] <antlarr> BluesKaj: I got the same ip, and I got two routes
[19:36] <antlarr> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> U 1000 0 0 wlan0
[19:36] <antlarr> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> U 1003 0 0 wlan0
[19:39] <BluesKaj> antlarr, what does route give ?
[19:40] <antlarr> just what I wrote
[19:40] <antlarr> those two lines
[19:41] <Snowhog> yofel: Well, a bit of Googling finds this: -DWITH_WEBKIT=OFF    Disable WebKit support. You will not have webpage previews on hovering URLs. So, it appears that a recent compilation of Quassel utilized this option, and now we don't get webpage previews anymore.
[19:44] <BluesKaj> antlarr, try this , it will show beside inet for eth0 , ip addr
[19:44] <yofel> Snowhog: which release are you on?
[19:46] <yofel> Snowhog: ah, confirmed on oneiric (shows as disabled in the buildlog)
[19:48] <Snowhog> yofel: Kubuntu 11.10
[19:48] <BluesKaj> also konverstion won't launch the default browser unless it's on the same desktop , it changes the browser to the url , but one has to click on it in the taskbar
[19:50] <yofel> Snowhog: can you file a bug about it please?
[19:50] <yofel> ubuntu-bug quassel
[19:51] <alexdevillx> Hi all, how to install KDE UFW (Firewall)?
[19:52] <Snowhog> yofel: As it was disabled during compilation, it isn't a bug per se. My guess is that the loss of this 'feature' has already been commented on. If the developers decide that it should/needs to be reenabled, it will be in a subsequent update.
[19:53] <Snowhog> alexdevillx: ufw is already installed, but not enabled, by default in *buntu versions.
[19:53] <yofel> Snowhog: it wasn't *intentionally* disabled during build, quassel is built with:
[19:53] <yofel> dh_auto_configure -Skde -- -DWITH_KDE=ON -DWANT_MONO=ON -DEMBED_DATA=OFF -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debugfull
[19:53] <alexdevillx> i need GUI for UFW
[19:54] <yofel> alexdevillx: not in the archive
[19:55] <lethu> alexdevillx, gufw
[19:55] <lethu> alexdevillx, it uses gtk tho
[19:55] <alexdevillx> it doesnt work
[19:55] <alexdevillx> first it uses gnome icons
[19:56] <alexdevillx> kdesu gufw
[19:56] <Snowhog> yofel: "(shows as disabled in the buildlog)" -- but you show "dh_auto_configure -Skde -- -DWITH_KDE=ON -DWANT_MONO=ON -DEMBED_DATA=OFF -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debugfull", so are you saying that the option was 'left out' of the build procedure?
[19:56] <lethu> alexdevillx, no need to use kdesu
[19:56] <alexdevillx> still it doesnt work
[19:56] <lethu> alexdevillx, you can unlock it from gui
[19:56] <alexdevillx> how
[19:56] <lethu> alexdevillx, does it throw you errors?
[19:56] <yofel> Snowhog: I was talking about the cmake output, which is: "-- QtWebKit not found, disabling WebKit support" - bug IMO
[19:57] <lethu> alexdevillx, there is an unlock button iirc
[19:57] <alexdevillx> i'll how
[19:58] <alexdevillx> http://s50.radikal.ru/i127/1110/d9/961bebef10d1.png
[19:59] <lethu> alexdevillx, it's the bottom right corner button
[20:01] <arthur> hello
[20:01] <arthur> ____________
[20:01] <alexdevillx> ok, i'm bad in english
[20:01] <alexdevillx> i added some rules
[20:01] <alexdevillx> what is deny
[20:01] <alexdevillx> allow
[20:01] <alexdevillx> reject
[20:01] <jjjet42> ...
[20:02] <alexdevillx> whats the difference
[20:02] <TheEvilPhoenix> alexdevillx:  in... iptables?
[20:02] <alexdevillx> yes
[20:02] <TheEvilPhoenix> isnt deny "drop"?
[20:02]  * TheEvilPhoenix has never seen "DENY" as a valid target
[20:02] <TheEvilPhoenix> anyways...
[20:02] <alexdevillx> its firewall
[20:02] <TheEvilPhoenix> alexdevillx:  "ALLOW" is just that - it does not block whatever matches on the rule.
[20:03] <TheEvilPhoenix> alexdevillx:  DROP (DENY?) will just drop the packet and then it disappears.
[20:03] <alexdevillx> i need to accept only apps in rule
[20:03] <alexdevillx> nothing more
[20:03] <TheEvilPhoenix> alexdevillx:  REJECT, iirc, requires another module, but rejects the packet, and then sends back a reject reason.
[20:03] <yofel> TheEvilPhoenix: UFW
[20:03] <TheEvilPhoenix> yofel:  oic
[20:03] <TheEvilPhoenix> he said iptables ;P
[20:04] <TheEvilPhoenix> yofel:  isnt UFW just a frontend for iptables
[20:04] <alexdevillx> UFW
[20:04] <TheEvilPhoenix> ?
[20:04] <lethu> TheEvilPhoenix, it is
[20:04] <TheEvilPhoenix> lethu:  i see
[20:04] <TheEvilPhoenix> alexdevillx:  for what its worth, `man ufw`
[20:04] <TheEvilPhoenix> it defines what everything does iirc
[20:04] <lethu> ^
[20:04] <alexdevillx> I bad english
[20:05] <TheEvilPhoenix> lethu:  then shouldnt DENY in ufw add a DROP rule in iptables?
[20:05] <TheEvilPhoenix> lethu:  as well, REJECT would add a REJECT rule in iptables, no?
[20:05]  * TheEvilPhoenix works solely with iptables because he's fscking epic that way
[20:05] <alexdevillx> ok
[20:05] <lethu> it does, the default "safe" config for ufw is DENY Incoming // ALLOW Outgoing
[20:06] <alexdevillx> ok
[20:06] <alexdevillx> DENY = Green = Good = Your system is protected
[20:06] <lethu> yup
[20:06] <TheEvilPhoenix> lethu:  iptables-equivalents: iptables -P INPUT DROP / iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT  ?
[20:06] <KjetilK> if you're not doing anything complex, I'd recommend arno-iptables-firewall
[20:06] <alexdevillx> allow = firewall tured off
[20:07] <lethu> TheEvilPhoenix, I believe so
[20:07] <alexdevillx> ok, its enough
[20:07] <alexdevillx> what is iptables?
[20:07] <alexdevillx> I have the same stuff on android
[20:07] <lethu> alexdevillx, gufw --> ufw --> Iptables
[20:08] <alexdevillx> where can i find iptables
[20:08] <KjetilK> just install it, let debconf manage it, say which external interfaces  you have and which ports should be open, and that's it
[20:08] <lethu> alexdevillx, iptables is already installed since you are using ufw to control it
[20:08] <alexdevillx> omg
[20:08] <alexdevillx> firefox doesnt work
[20:08] <lethu> alexdevillx, ufw is an interface to iptables
[20:09] <lethu> alexdevillx, allow outgoing
[20:09] <lethu> alexdevillx, then it should work
[20:09] <alexdevillx> irc
[20:09] <alexdevillx> why it works?
[20:09] <lethu> different port
[20:11] <alexdevillx> oh
[20:11] <alexdevillx> and which?
[20:11] <alexdevillx> hmm
[20:11] <alexdevillx> hell
[20:12] <lethu> alexdevillx, you can check which port in your irc client
[20:13] <lethu> alexdevillx, the port the client connects through to the server
[20:13] <alexdevillx> i have added 8080 and 80 outgoin' ingoin' and firefox desnt work
[20:15] <cher> Does anyone here have experience with (k)ubuntu 11.04 64 bit and javax.smartcardio? Somehow TerminalFactory.getDefault().terminals().list() always returns an empty list. The card reader is a simple USB PC/SC card reader, an OmniKey 3121, and it shows up fine with lsusb.
[20:15] <lethu> alexdevillx, try ($ufw disable) then ($ufw enable)
[20:15] <lethu> alexdevillx, in a console
[20:15] <KjetilK> alexdevillx, it sounds like you're overcomplicating things
[20:16] <KjetilK> Unless you have a lot of users on the inside you don't trust, there isn't that much reason to tough outgoing traffic at all
[20:16] <KjetilK> s/tough/touch/
[20:18] <KjetilK> I think I have a pretty hard problem...: I have a new SSD installed on an old laptop. It installs fine and runs for a while. Eventually, it seems like the filesystem (ext4) is getting corrupted, and finally it is not even recognized by grub, at which point the system becomes unbootable. I think the SSD is to blame, but I should find out for sure before returning it
[20:19] <alexdevillx> it doesnt work still
[20:20] <alexdevillx> what is the dns port
[20:20] <cher> Ha got it I'm one step further. I was missing libpcsclite-dev. Now I get sun.security.smartcardio.PCSCException: SCARD_E_NO_READERS_AVAILABLE - that should be not so difficult to debug.
[20:21] <KjetilK> alexdevillx, I don't know anything about ufw, but I can suggest arno-iptables-firewall
[20:21] <KjetilK> very simple and works great
[20:21] <KjetilK> that is, very simple if you do only simple things
[20:22] <KjetilK> if all you want to do is to firewall one machine, you can't go wrong with it
[20:22] <alexdevillx> KjetilK: screenshot?
[20:22] <KjetilK> alexdevillx, no screenshot, it is just a script
[20:22] <alexdevillx> ok
[20:23] <alexdevillx> what are the HTTP ports?
[20:23] <alexdevillx> 80 and 8080
[20:23] <alexdevillx> why doesnt firefox work
[20:23] <lethu> KjetilK, ext4 is known to behave incorrectly with some western digital drives (which use a feature I can't recall ftm) and also ecryptfs
[20:23] <KjetilK> you install it, answer two or three questions and that's it
[20:23] <KjetilK> lethu, hmm, OK, I use ecryptfs
[20:23] <KjetilK> lethu, it isn't the ATA TRIM feature?
[20:24] <lethu> KjetilK, iirc it's a sensor technology
[20:24] <lethu> as in movement sensor
[20:24] <lethu> for chock prevention
[20:25] <KjetilK> lethu, OK, this is a OCZ device, I don't think it has that
[20:26] <lethu> KjetilK, ext4 and ecryptfs has issues on many brands of hd's tho, not only western digital's with that feature
[20:26] <KjetilK> It would be nice if I could repair it from the grub rescue prompt, but it doesn't even detect it is an ext4 filesystem
[20:26] <KjetilK> hmmm, ok
[20:27] <KjetilK> any ideas what I can do to try to get grub to see the filesystem as an ext4 file system and perhaps get it mounted?
[20:28] <lethu> KjetilK, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ecryptfs-utils/+bug/372014
[20:28] <lethu> KjetilK, read #2
[20:28]  * KjetilK looks
[20:28] <alexdevillx> oh
[20:29] <alexdevillx> it works
[20:29] <alexdevillx> Found it
[20:29] <alexdevillx> it worked as v6
[20:29] <lethu> KjetilK, I believe you will have to mount your ext4 partition from a live-cd environment
[20:29] <lethu> alexdevillx, gratz
[20:30] <KjetilK> lethu, I'll try
[20:30] <alexdevillx> whats the difference between tcp and udp?
[20:30] <lethu> alexdevillx, different protocols used by different services
[20:30] <KjetilK> IIRC, the live CD didn't recognize the file system either, though
[20:31] <KjetilK> alexdevillx, UDP is a much simpler protocol, both are low-level stuff
[20:31] <KjetilK> for one thing, TCP requires traffic both ways, UDP just one way
[20:31] <lethu> KjetilK, you should try looking for a data recovery suite/live-cd
[20:32] <lethu> I don't have any in mind right now except perhaps GRC's recovery cd
[20:32] <alexdevillx> whats better Deny or reject
[20:33] <KjetilK> lethu, I'm running rescatux right now
[20:33] <alexdevillx> hey
[20:33] <lethu> KjetilK, any chances?
[20:33] <alexdevillx> can anyone hear me
[20:33] <lethu> alexdevillx, yes?
[20:33] <alexdevillx> i didnt add 8001 rule in gufw why irc still works?
[20:34] <alexdevillx> sh**
[20:34] <lethu> alexdevillx, because you probably allowed outgoing packets
[20:34] <alexdevillx> reject
[20:34] <alexdevillx> cant get my firefox work
[20:35] <KjetilK> lethu, trying to fsck it now
[20:35] <KjetilK> alexdevillx, remove any outgoing rules on port 80
[20:38] <alexdevillx> irc
[20:38] <alexdevillx> it works?
[20:38] <KjetilK> lethu, I don't think it is the ecryptfs problem, I haven't seen anything about that, and it appears to be fixed in Oneiric
[20:38] <KjetilK> alexdevillx, yup, you're still here :-)
[20:38] <alexdevillx> lol
[20:39] <alexdevillx> removed all 80 rules and it works now
[20:39] <alexdevillx> lol
[20:39] <KjetilK> :-)
[20:40] <KjetilK> I would recommend for you to only have rules on incoming
[20:40] <alexdevillx> lol
[20:40] <lethu> KjetilK, it was just a supposition, since I met those problems and fixed them by removing ecryptfs, and always it's not the first time I had such issues with new filesystems
[20:41]  * KjetilK nods
[20:41] <lethu> KjetilK, I had used reiserfs previously and it had killed my hd
[20:41] <KjetilK> I'd like to use ext4 since it does have ATA TRIM support, which the SSD supports...
[20:41] <KjetilK> I guess I can live without ecryptfs
[20:42] <KjetilK> I'm not really paranoid, I just pretend to be :-)
[20:42] <KjetilK> Oh, I did install with XFS and it still crashed on me
[20:42] <lethu> KjetilK, if you wanna be sure about ecryptfs behaving correctly with your ext4 fs, try installing bitcoin and letting it run for a while
[20:42] <alexdevillx> lol
[20:43] <alexdevillx> will do it tomorrow
[20:43] <lethu> KjetilK, while watching the kern log
[20:43] <KjetilK> lethu, OK
[20:43] <lethu> KjetilK, if it doesn't throw any erros then you can rest on both your ears
[20:43] <KjetilK> :-)
[20:43] <Belial`> is anyone using quassel with kubuntu 11.10?
[20:44] <alexdevillx> chkrootkit
[20:45] <alexdevillx> I like kde more than gnome
[20:45] <alexdevillx> and backtrack is awesome
[20:46] <cher> I documented the solution to my smartcard issue here: http://www.riedquat.de/blog/2011-10-30-05
[20:46] <alexdevillx> ARP P01S0N
[20:48] <i1920x1080> I have a fairly good nvidia card and the nvidia binary from the repos. I can play games in Windows at 1080 in the highest details possible at 60fps *but* I cannot figure out how to play a .mkv file in VLC without it looking all choppy. What's going on?
[20:48] <alexdevillx> Anybody likes rootkits? =)
[20:48] <KjetilK> lethu, I managed to mount it at least :-)
[20:48] <lethu> KjetilK, nice good job
[20:52] <alexdevillx> Rootkit foudn
[20:52] <alexdevillx> unhide.rb
[20:53] <KjetilK> lethu, thanks! and the filesystem has lots of errors according to fsck...
[20:53] <lethu> KjetilK, yw
[20:53] <alexdevillx> Ok, i'm gnome
[20:53] <alexdevillx> Gone
[20:54] <lethu> alexdevillx, bye
[20:54] <alexdevillx> Всем пока
[20:56] <KjetilK> this filesystem is just totally messed up. I just hope I can get the logs out to do some forensics...
[20:59] <TheEvilPhoenix> KjetilK:  i take it you corrupted the fs?
[20:59] <KjetilK> TheEvilPhoenix, yeah, presumably
[21:00] <KjetilK> apparently, /var/log hasn't survived
[21:00] <TheEvilPhoenix> did someone take rm -rf to your drive or something?
[21:00] <TheEvilPhoenix> :P
[21:00] <KjetilK> TheEvilPhoenix, I think that it is actually the SSD that is to blame, but I need to be pretty sure about it before returning it
[21:00] <KjetilK> hehe
[21:00] <KjetilK> nope :-)
[21:01] <KjetilK> after my latest attempt, it worked pretty well for a couple of days, but suddenly things started to go wrong
[21:01] <KjetilK> the OS remounted ro and as far as I could see at that point, nothing essential was missing
[21:03] <KjetilK> is any useful forensic information stored anywhere else in the file system other than /var/log?
[21:12] <i1920x1080> I have a fairly good nvidia card and the nvidia binary from the repos. I can play games in Windows at 1080 in the highest details possible at 60fps *but* I cannot figure out how to play a .mkv file in VLC without it looking all choppy. What's going on?
[21:17] <KjetilK> i1920x1080, which driver are you using on Linux?
[21:33] <lethu> i1920x1080, try this, go to System Settings --> Desktop Effects --> Advanced (tab) --> uncheck "suspend desktop effects for fullscreen windows"
[21:34] <lethu> i1920x1080, if that doesn't work try disabling Vsync in the same page
[21:34] <lethu> i1920x1080, also check your are using the additional drivers nvidia proprietary drivers
[21:36] <i1920x1080> lethu: I'll go through that list in a moment, thank you!
[21:36] <lethu> i1920x1080, np
[21:49] <KjetilK> one should take a hint and throw a disk away when fsck crashes with a bus error ;-/
[22:11] <phoenix_firebrd> need some info on kjots
[22:11] <well_laid_lawn> !info kjots
[22:11] <phoenix_firebrd> well_laid_lawn: hey
[22:12] <well_laid_lawn> hello :)
[22:12] <phoenix_firebrd> well_laid_lawn: i need to know about the new kjots
[22:12] <well_laid_lawn> I dunno anything about it
[22:12] <well_laid_lawn> what were you looking for?
[22:15] <phoenix_firebrd> well_laid_lawn: there are three categories in kjots namely notes, local notes and akonadi ... , previously there was only one category. The new changes are confusing and they are not documented(I couldnt find them)yet.
[22:16] <well_laid_lawn> phoenix_firebrd: mabe try in #kde if there's no documentation yet
[22:17] <phoenix_firebrd> well_laid_lawn: do you know where the online documentation is? I couldnt find them
[22:17] <well_laid_lawn> not offhand
[22:17] <i1920x1080> man, I just went through a bunch of settings to try and get vlc to play smooth video and it still looks choppy when things move fast on screen. I've got driver 280.13 from Kubuntu repos. I got a GTX 460. One screen and effects are top notched. But I've tried suspending in full screen to outright turning effects off. I've tried extreme performance as a mode, nothing works :(
[22:17] <phoenix_firebrd> well_laid_lawn: ok, let me try in #kde
[22:18] <i1920x1080> videos still look a bit choppy when things start moving fast :./
[22:18] <well_laid_lawn> phoenix_firebrd: found this - http://userbase.kde.org/KJots
[22:20] <phoenix_firebrd> well_laid_lawn: no useful info is available
[22:20] <phoenix_firebrd> i1920x1080: have you tried smplayer?
[22:22] <i1920x1080> no
[22:22] <i1920x1080> I can try and see what happens
[22:23] <phoenix_firebrd> i1920x1080: vlc is not as good as smplayer when playing hd videos with vdpau
[22:24] <i1920x1080> phoenix_firebrd: it's worth a try
[22:24] <i1920x1080> installing now
[22:24] <phoenix_firebrd> i1920x1080: ok
[22:24] <phoenix_firebrd> i1920x1080: have you install the vdpau lib
[22:25] <i1920x1080> not sure, I doubt it if it didn't come in as a dependency
[22:26] <i1920x1080> phoenix_firebrd: you're right
[22:27] <i1920x1080> smplayer is doing something right. something vlc is getting wrong
[22:27] <i1920x1080> that's kind of sad. I like vlc too... damn :/
[22:27] <i1920x1080> video is much better :|
[22:28] <phoenix_firebrd> i1920x1080: everyone like vlc, its the way vlc internally works makes it to consume lot of cpu thereby reducing the performance
[22:28] <phoenix_firebrd> i1920x1080: enjoy
[22:28] <phoenix_firebrd> i1920x1080: have you set the video output to vdpau in smaplyer>
[22:28] <i1920x1080> no
[22:28] <i1920x1080> just played the video
[22:28] <i1920x1080> I'll look for that
[22:30] <phoenix_firebrd> i1920x1080: you have to set it to get the actual gpu acceleration , also check that if you have installed libvdpau1
[22:30] <i1920x1080> phoenix_firebrd: I just did that, changed it from xv and there was no noticeable  difference
[22:31] <phoenix_firebrd> i1920x1080: may be you didnt install libvdpau1
[23:44] <phoenix_firebrd> How do i change the status of a bug in a kde bug report


[07:21] <mac_v> !log
[07:21] <ubot4> Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/
[08:53] <Mark__T> Hey, I just compiled indicator-messages to work with the new seperated libindicator/libindicate. Do I need to do some action for pidging to work with that? (restarting/rebuilding ...)
[09:13] <Mark__T> Okay, found the reason: undefined symbol: indicate_indicator_set_property_icon
[09:13] <Mark__T> in pidgin-libnotify
[09:51] <mac_v> mpt: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareStore/Icons progress icon  , you need to subscribe to the page ;)
[09:53] <Mark__T> SiDi: did you manage to build xfce4-indicator-plugin?
[09:54] <SiDi> Mark__T, hi
[09:54] <SiDi> not really :D
[09:54] <SiDi> Well, i did, the applet works
[09:54] <SiDi> but it doesnt display messages
[09:54] <SiDi> because of no indicator-messages. And this one depends on indicator-applet so i'm back at the start point
[09:57] <Mark__T> SiDi: I have the plugin running, and the 'No indicators' messages is gone because I rebuilt indicator-messages, but pidgin refuses to load pidgin-libnotify plugin
[09:57] <SiDi> lawl
[09:58] <Mark__T> I think I should try {em,tele}pathy
[09:58] <SiDi> i think there are unit tests in one of the indicator packages
[09:58] <Mark__T> SiDi: I get undefined symbol: indicate_indicator_set_property_icon from pidgin-libnotify
[10:00] <Mark__T> I guess I need to talk to kenvandine or ted
[10:12] <SiDi> yeah :/
[10:12] <SiDi> maybe a side effect of the split
[12:03]  * MacSlow -> lunch
[14:27] <dashua> SiDi, notify-osd in the middle of the desktop now?
[14:28] <SiDi> dashua, yeh, im not responsible for that :P
[14:28] <dashua> Ah alright ;)
[14:28] <SiDi> dashua, that's a bit shocking but it might be better than in a corner
[14:28] <SiDi> i dont have an opinion yet :P
[14:28] <dashua> Yeah, I'm indifferent as well.
[14:31] <mac_v> dashua: which type bubble does that? for me all seem on top right
[14:31] <dashua> All notifications now it seems
[14:33] <dashua> Oh nice.  Camera shutter sound in sound-theme-freedesktop 0.4 on screenshot
[14:33] <dashua> Cool
[14:34] <dashua> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/23031/screenshot_A6RaYJ.png
[14:38] <mac_v> i think i need to *not* update ;p
[15:50] <SiDi> dashua, i know someone who has a notify-osd branch in which you can change the color of the bubble :P
[15:50] <SiDi> To make even sexier screenshots
[15:50] <dashua> Oh, link me please :)
[15:53] <SiDi> (lp:~sidi/notify-osd/xfconf-experimental :P)
[15:53] <SiDi> (but its based on 0.9.16, not 18
[15:54] <dashua> Ok thx
[15:57] <dashua> http://paste.ubuntu.com/260378/
[15:58] <dashua> I need any flags?
[15:58] <DanRabbit1> is that really going to be the new default behavior?
[15:58] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: yes!
[15:58] <DanRabbit1> ah...
[15:58] <DanRabbit1> I hope there's a preference to put it back.
[15:58] <mac_v> i'm updating to join in on the confusion ;0
[15:59] <DanRabbit1> I mean, yea it's more noticeable
[15:59] <DanRabbit1> but, it's also going to be invasive
[15:59] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: i dont think we will get a pref
[15:59] <DanRabbit1> :(
[15:59] <DanRabbit1> I guess that's what god created hackers for...
[15:59] <SiDi> dashua, Oo
[16:00] <SiDi> dashua, you dont only have this ? give me the whole output please :)
[16:00] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: notify-osd has too many rules , prefs for that would break a lot of stuff
[16:00] <SiDi> DanRabbit1, actually on a pure technical plan, you're less likely to be disturbed by it if its on the middle than if its on the top
[16:00] <SiDi> except during presentations
[16:00] <DanRabbit1> and videos
[16:01] <SiDi> in which case you're likely to have disabled them
[16:01] <SiDi> yeh, videos too
[16:01] <dashua> SiDi, http://paste.ubuntu.com/260379/
[16:01] <DanRabbit1> i don't even know how to disable
[16:01] <SiDi> dashua, EPIC
[16:01] <SiDi> i forgot to push a file :D :D
[16:01] <dashua> Ah
[16:02] <SiDi> pushed
[16:02] <SiDi> MacSlow, the last diff i gave you is probably wrong then :D
[16:02] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: actually for me this works out great , i use a single right vertical panel , and previously for notification daemon i had the area in the exact same spot... so yah \o/
[16:02] <mac_v> ;p
[16:03] <DanRabbit1> that's why I suggest a pref
[16:03] <MacSlow> SiDi, sorry... very busy atm and not near the gconf/xconf stuff atm
[16:04] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: if keep saying perfs MacSlow will strangle you ;)
[16:04] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: bring it up in ayatana mailing list
[16:04] <SiDi> MacSlow, no problem :P better that way since i forgot a file in the tree
[16:04] <MacSlow> DanRabbit1, listen to mac_v  :)
[16:04] <SiDi> if i add 20 lines of code it'll be a 3000 lines patch :d
[16:05] <SiDi> DanRabbit1, the code for positioning has probably changed A LOT
[16:05] <SiDi> which means setting up a pref would be long
[16:05] <SiDi> and require some code split, probably
[16:05] <DanRabbit1> I'm just saying
[16:05] <DanRabbit1> for me
[16:06] <DanRabbit1> I'm going to block the update
[16:06] <DanRabbit1> We need one of these things: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RU2A985UKbY/SOrPTW4FZ4I/AAAAAAAABnw/b4aspUNuhfk/s400/Picture+6.png
[16:06] <DanRabbit1> the little desktop, I mean
[16:09] <SiDi> DanRabbit1, if there are MANY complaints about it post release, feel free to bug me ~1 or 2 months before 10.04 feature freeze ;P
[16:10] <DanRabbit1> haha... why wait for tomorrow?
[16:10] <SiDi> because i have tons of bugs to fix in other apps :P
[16:10] <DanRabbit1> SiDi: have you blogged about the change?
[16:10] <SiDi> about which ? i'm not a notify-osd dev, i just like messing with it :P
[16:11] <DanRabbit1> ah, well whoever decided it would look better in the middle of the screen should blog about why it's better
[16:11] <SiDi> because it doesnt cover your apps toolbar
[16:12] <SiDi> for instance DanRabbit1, with the top right positioning, firefox's search entry was covered
[16:12] <DanRabbit1> ah, I think a better fix would have been a close button.
[16:12] <SiDi> which was preventing from seeing what you write
[16:12] <DanRabbit1> SiDi: you can click through.
[16:12] <SiDi> close button == need to move the mouse too, and to _accurately_ click on a part of the bubble
[16:13] <SiDi> yeh but usually you use keyboard shortcuts
[16:13] <SiDi> so the entry is focused but covered by a bubble
[16:13] <DanRabbit1> it could just show on mouseover
[16:13] <DanRabbit1> the close button I mean
[16:13] <SiDi> if it covers content in the middle you can scroll up/down in almost all apps to move the content you wanna read
[16:13] <SiDi> with both mouse & keyboard
[16:13] <SiDi> but the close button requires to hover the bubble, aim a corner, and click
[16:14] <SiDi> while with n-o we can prevent a bubble from disturbing just by hovering it
[16:14] <DanRabbit1> yea, I dunno
[16:14] <DanRabbit1> I just disgree with the whole behavior of notify-osd sometimes
[16:14] <DanRabbit1> It's confusing
[16:14] <DanRabbit1> and weird.
[16:14] <SiDi> Yes, it's weird
[16:15] <DanRabbit1> and, I'm not a total computer noob
[16:15] <DanRabbit1> my mom would explode.
[16:15] <SiDi> but i think that once the old habits are gone, n-o will be more agreable than the previous ones
[16:15] <SiDi> DanRabbit1, iits because you're not a 'noob' :) you got habits
[16:15] <SiDi> i love being able to royally ignore notifications when i focus on something else
[16:15] <SiDi> and i love being notified about whats going on in my computer
[16:16] <SiDi> and n-o allows me both much more easily than notification-daemon with its down timeouts and actions
[16:16] <DanRabbit1> Yea, notify OSD definitely needs to get actions
[16:16] <DanRabbit1> that was convenient
[16:17] <SiDi> NO
[16:17] <SiDi> definately, no :P
[16:17] <SiDi> i was so sick of things opening without my consent when i wasnt aiming the close button correctly
[16:17] <SiDi> notifications are for notifying
[16:17] <DanRabbit1> adjust your mouse :p
[16:17] <SiDi> if they want actions, there's the messaging applet
[16:17] <DanRabbit1> which is bad juju
[16:17] <ScottK> SiDi: That's one view.  It doesn't seem widely shared so far.
[16:18] <SiDi> ScottK, people dont like things that respect semantics :D
[16:18] <DanRabbit1> messaging applet is all about bad :(
[16:18] <DanRabbit1> we need less clutter, not more.
[16:20] <ScottK> SiDi: Personally I'm not a fan of "Ha! I'm going to tell you about something, but not actually let you deal with it", but I understand this isn't going to change.
[16:25] <DanRabbit1> ScottK: I agree fully
[16:26] <DanRabbit1> That was the killer feature that got me to switch to Banshee
[16:26] <ScottK> DanRabbit1: It's also a settled issue for notify-osd and Gnome in Ubuntu.
[16:26] <ScottK> There's no point in rediscussing it.
[16:26] <DanRabbit1> I know :(
[16:42] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: FWIW , it protested against it when proposed in the ayatana mailing list :)
[16:43] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: this was proposed a long time back , you can check out the discussion in archives
[16:44] <mac_v> s/it/I
[17:07] <djsiegel__> DBO lamalex DanRabbit1: http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/08/26/losing-my-religion/
[17:13] <ScottK> He has some valid point, but is fundamentally wrong.  Design is no different than code in these regards.
[17:32] <DBO> morning djsiegel__
[17:33] <DBO> is otto around? :)
[17:35] <djsiegel__> DBO: he's coming, his nick is chaotic
[17:35] <DBO> awesome
[17:35] <chaotic> DBO: hey
[17:36] <DBO> hey chaotic :)
[17:36] <chaotic> DBO: I've just realised I never got back to you on that last email - really sorry about that
[17:36] <DBO> its okay
[17:36] <chaotic> DBO: been super busy
[17:36] <chaotic> how you doing?
[17:36] <DBO> that project has been stalled by my being super busy also
[17:37] <DBO> I have been alright, enjoying my new job, loving working with canonical :)
[17:37] <chaotic> DBO: cool
[17:37] <DBO> so I have a challenge for you
[17:37] <chaotic> DBO: so what can I help with?
[17:37] <chaotic> DBO: uh huh
[17:37] <DBO> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/269345/wpa_active_window.png
[17:38] <DBO> that is the new look of the icons of the window picker applet
[17:38] <DBO> they are bigger in general
[17:38] <DBO> which means they are no longer actually gtk buttons
[17:38] <DBO> but I need a method of identifying the active window from the not active ones
[17:39] <DBO> you can kinda see what I came up with, but I am not really happy with it
[17:39] <DBO> are you familiar with the window picker applet from UNR?
[17:39] <chaotic> DBO: in that png it's the one in the middle right?
[17:39] <DBO> yes
[17:40] <chaotic> DBO: not really familiar
[17:40] <DBO> ok, well the philosophy is really simple, there is an icon for every window. These icons are height of the panel (24px) and are packed next to each other. There is a 3px border on each side we can play with also.
[17:41] <chaotic> DBO: deselected could go to greyscale?
[17:41] <chaotic> DBO: they look a little blurry - are they scaled?
[17:41] <DBO> unfortunately yes
[17:41] <chaotic> DBO: ah
[17:41] <DBO> there is no good way to get quality icons 100% of the time :(
[17:42] <DBO> I am working on that problem in another one of my projects, but it isn't ready yet
[17:42] <chaotic> DBO: know what you mean
[17:43] <chaotic> can you use a highlight colour behind?
[17:43] <DBO> sure
[17:44] <DBO> just keep in mind sometimes that icon can be pretty much wholly consuming of the 24x24 area leaving only the 3px borders...
[17:44] <DBO> so I am also dimming the opacity of the other icons, but its hard to notice that...
[17:44] <chaotic> no I see that
[17:45] <chaotic> can deselected become greyscale?
[17:45] <DBO> I could do that
[17:46] <DBO> Im pretty sure I can make anything you can dream up happen :)
[17:46] <DBO> thats why its a challenge, you dream up the awesome, I make it happen
[17:46] <chaotic> DBO: hahaha
[17:47] <chaotic> DBO: can you send me some full screenshots so I can see it in context?
[17:48] <DBO> yes
[17:48] <DBO> let me put on a UNR theme also
[17:53] <DBO> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/269345/UNR-wpa-screen.png
[17:54] <DBO> chaotic, ^^
[17:54] <chaotic> DBO: looking
[17:54] <chaotic> DBO: hmmm, does get lost a bit
[17:55] <DBO> yeah
[17:55] <chaotic> DBO: that mail icon stands out a lot - how come that's highlighted so much
[17:56] <DBO> on the right?
[17:56] <DBO> no idea, ignore that...
[17:56] <DBO> thats not really part of this issue :)
[17:56] <chaotic> DBO: no, I know but they background colour makes a big difference there
[17:57] <DBO> it does make a difference, we could do something like that
[17:57] <DBO> however I really was hoping to be more subtle :P
[17:58] <DBO> excuse me for a moment, I need to restart my x server
[17:58] <DBO> maximus always screws up my windows...
[18:00] <DBO> back
[18:04] <chaotic> DBO: I'll have a think, have to leave shortly I'm afraid
[18:04] <DBO> chaotic, thats all I ask :)
[18:07] <DBO> chaotic, one more thing, if you think it should be animated or something like that, I can do that too.
[19:20] <djsiegel__> mrooney|w: any idea which project this affects? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/344228
[19:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 344228 in hundredpapercuts "Deleting an image that's used as a desktop wallpaper removed it as a wallpaper without notice" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[19:20] <djsiegel__> gnome-settings-manager or something?
[19:20] <mrooney|w> well, I guess it would depend on how you want to fix it
[19:21] <mrooney|w> nautilus handles deleting it I believe, so you might want a warning there
[19:21] <djsiegel__> gnome-control-center ?
[19:21] <djsiegel__> nah
[19:21] <djsiegel__> the user should be able to download a photo to their desktop
[19:21] <djsiegel__> set it as the background
[19:21] <djsiegel__> and delete the photo
[19:21] <djsiegel__> deleting a file should not change you desktop
[19:21] <djsiegel__> users don't think how the software works
[20:28] <Mark__T> SiDi: ping
[20:28] <SiDi> pong
[20:28] <SiDi> average lag : 6000ms
[20:28] <SiDi> packet loss : 0%
[20:28] <Mark__T> do yo still have the pidgin error I pasted here in your history?
[20:29] <SiDi> hm, no ? :P
[20:29] <SiDi> well, its somewhere in my history... but i dont even know in which browser
[20:30] <Mark__T> just the missing symbol thing I pasted in this channel
[20:30] <SiDi> do you want me to search for it ?
[20:30] <SiDi> (and, which paste site was it ?)
[20:31] <Mark__T> it was a oneliner in here, me explaining why pidgin-libnotify doesn't work
[20:33] <SiDi> oh
[20:35] <SiDi> Mark__T, i cant find it in my history
[20:36] <Mark__T> np, tomorrow I need to send it to me from the box I try to run latest indicator foo
[20:37] <Mark__T> so that I have that information at hand when kenvandine or tedg wake up
[20:39] <SiDi> :)
[20:59] <lamalex> djsiegel_: that would definitely be nautilus
[20:59] <djsiegel_> lamalex: I don't know...
[20:59] <lamalex> seems like it'd be an easy fix too, just copy the photo to a private nautilus directory ~/.local/share/nautilus/ or something, and use that
[21:02] <djsiegel_> right, but the piece of software that would make the copy
[21:02] <djsiegel_> unfortunately, there needs to be a background API
[21:02] <djsiegel_> right now, I think individual apps just set the gconf key
[21:03] <djsiegel_> but something watches that key for changes
[21:03] <djsiegel_> does nautilus draw the desktop wallpaper?
[21:03] <lamalex> nautilus draws it yes
[21:03] <lamalex> well it would just always be $XDG_DATA_HOME/nautilus/wallpaper
[21:03] <lamalex> what would be *the* wallpaper file
[21:04] <lamalex> s/what/that
[21:04] <lamalex> when you set new wallpaper it would get copied there
[21:04] <lamalex> unrelated to the old file
[21:06]  * lamalex thinks that ^ is a decent solution
[21:07] <djsiegel_> well, there's a lot of push behind being able to edit the current image
[21:07] <djsiegel_> see my user story on the bug
[21:09] <lamalex> I don't think that's right, if you edit the image you should have to reset it, or expect that if you delete it, it goes away
[21:11] <djsiegel_> hmm
[21:11] <djsiegel_> I think editing an image is a more advanced action than deleting or moving a file
[21:11] <djsiegel_> novice users will delete and move files often
[21:12] <lamalex> god these fscking notifications are driving me nuts
[21:12] <djsiegel_> but if you open an image and edit it
[21:12] <djsiegel_> haha
[21:12] <djsiegel_> I am updating now
[21:19] <mac_v> lamalex: me too! seems totally weird when a mail notification pops up in the center!
[21:20] <lamalex> mac_v: you should 2nd my post to the ayatana list
[21:20] <lamalex> every time one pops up ive got like a 3 second "wtf is this?" period
[21:25] <mac_v> lamalex: FWIW , i did protest the minute it was proposed > https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg00106.html
[21:25] <lamalex> mac_v: yah, i think i remember
[21:26] <mac_v> lamalex: but when its not something they are going to listen to ... its like why bother! uninstall and use mumbles ;)
[21:26] <DanRabbit1> djsiegel_: I agree with that article quite a bit. Sometimes you need a little dictatorship. The democracy should be in choosing who's in charge.
[21:27] <mac_v> DanRabbit1: when you install mumbles , it will block a lot ot notify-osd bubbles :)
[21:27] <DanRabbit1> mumbles?
[21:28] <mac_v> yeah , mumbles , it uses old notification daemon
[21:29] <DanRabbit1> so we can use actions and that?
[21:29] <DanRabbit1> I'll check it out.
[21:29] <DanRabbit1> I have to go make lunch right now though :D
[22:03] <popey> so i take it the middle of the right side of the screen for the notification bubble is intentional, i dont need to file a bug?
[22:03] <DanRabbit1> yea, it's intentional :/
[22:04] <popey> how [insert_word_I_havent_thought_of_yet]
[22:04] <DanRabbit1> yea, that was my reaction too
[22:04] <lamalex> seems to be the concensus
[22:05] <DanRabbit1> I'm glad you agree as well, lamalex
[22:05] <lamalex> there's a thread going on the list
[22:05] <lamalex> DanRabbit1: how's that tictactoe icon coming
[22:05] <lamalex> :)
[22:07] <DanRabbit1> give me one second
[22:07] <DanRabbit1> thoughts? http://elementary-project.com/abuse/tictactoe.svg
[22:08] <SiDi> DanRabbit1, write a hacker symbol with o's ? :D
[22:09] <lamalex> the triple Os should have a line through them, that's a winning move!
[22:09] <DanRabbit1> I was thinking along those lines, but it just didn't look good.
[22:09] <popey> SiDi: I was thinking the same thing!
[22:09] <lamalex> DanRabbit1: you should move the top X to the top left and block the O
[22:09] <popey> the hacker logo but in a game of O and X
[22:09] <lamalex> and leave it asymatric
[22:09] <lamalex> asymmetric
[22:10] <DanRabbit1> okay
[22:12] <DanRabbit1> let me check my french fries real fast :D
[22:14] <lamalex> yum
[22:17] <DanRabbit1> they're ready
[22:17] <DanRabbit1> I'll brb
[22:50] <mrooney|w> djsiegel1: do you think the papercutters team could be unsubscibed from all papercut bugs, and let that up to individual members if they want to?
[22:50] <mrooney|w> it is too much volume for me and is making it hard for me to process the actual bugs I am subscribed to


[09:08] <rmg51> Morning
[09:09] <rmg51> let me be the first to say....
[09:09] <rmg51> it's here....
[09:09] <rmg51> Fosscon
[09:38] <JonathanD> goooooood morning Pennsylvania!
[09:55] <rmg51> 0/
[10:08] <InHisName> Howdy !
[11:41] <rmg51> sitter is here
[11:41] <rmg51> time to leave for Fosscon
[11:41] <rmg51> see you all there
[11:41] <JonathanD> 76 is CLOSED
[11:41] <rmg51> you mean I have to use Broad Street?
[11:42] <rmg51> see you soon
[11:42] <JonathanD> I meana we are stuck
[11:43] <JonathanD> cant move
[11:43] <rmg51> Broad Street it is
[14:11] <teddy-dbear> greetings from Fosscon
[20:01] <Samuraialba> good bacon to all!


[06:08] <inetpro> good morning
[07:30] <superfly> \o
[07:35] <charlvn> hi superfly
[07:36] <superfly> how goes?
[10:50] <kbmonkey> hi charlvn, and superfly, and maiatoday
[10:50] <kbmonkey> who else is here...?
[10:51] <superfly>  heya kbmonkey
[11:11] <charlvn> h5 2b
[11:11] <charlvn> ah num lock
[11:11] <charlvn> hi kbmonkey
[11:25] <kbmonkey> ah darn, back to work. cheers folks...
[11:50] <charlvn> ciao kbmonkey
[15:38] <inetpro> who stole the time?
[15:39] <Kerbero> the daleks
[15:50] <superfly> inetpro: i know... I was late and missed the train I wanted to take this afternoon because i didn't see the time.
[17:18] <magespawn> Evening all
[17:48] <superfly> hi magespawn
[17:49] <magespawn> How  is it going?
[17:54] <magespawn> superfly are you still  doing websites?
[17:55] <superfly> magespawn: sorta, what's up?
[17:58] <magespawn> People  I do  hardware for have asked forna website, but what they want is beyond what I can do at the moment.
[17:59] <superfly> magespawn: you have my e-mail address from the mailing lists?
[17:59] <magespawn> Yup
[18:00] <superfly> e-mail me what they want, and I'll have a look and get back to you
[18:03] <magespawn> Okay thanks.
[18:03] <superfly> np
[18:05] <magespawn> Have you used Teamviewer?
[18:05] <superfly> I've heard of it
[18:09] <magespawn> I am just wondering how secure it is.
[18:12] <magespawn> Has anybody used Teamviewer or knows how it works?
[18:23] <superfly> Wow, they even have a Linux version
[18:23] <superfly> Oh. It's just the Windows version with a bundled WINE.
[18:28] <magespawn> Yup I also got a bit disappointed at that.
[18:32] <superfly> I don't generally trust stuff that isn't open source
[18:34] <magespawn> My accountant wants to use it to check the business books over the net, that why I want to know how secure it is, this has to be able to work on windows.
[18:37] <magespawn> I know there are other options such as putty.
[18:37] <superfly> magespawn: I don't know how secure it is. Check if it uses any encryption
[18:38] <magespawn> Will do.
[18:42] <magespawn> http://www.teamviewer.com/en/products/security.aspx apprently it does
[19:04] <Banlam> I've used TeamViewer a bit before, works quite nicely, no idea how secure it is though.
[19:05] <magespawn> http://www.teamviewer.com/en/products/security.aspx according to this very
[19:05] <magespawn> Seccure
[19:05] <Banlam> :)
[19:06] <magespawn> I am off to bed night all.
[19:06] <bakuman> nite
[19:06] <Banlam> gnight
[19:42] <inetpro> good evening


[05:36] <thatgraemeguy> Maaz_: tell andrewlsd, was just curious, thanks. I am quite happy where I am. Just good to keep tabs on salaries in my general area.
[05:36] <Maaz_> thatgraemeguy: I don't know who andrewlsd, is. Say 'andrewlsd, on freenode' and I'll take your word that andrewlsd, exists
[05:37] <thatgraemeguy> mmm
[05:37] <thatgraemeguy> Maaz_: tell andrewlsd, on freenode was just curious, thanks. I am quite happy where I am. Just good to keep tabs on salaries in my general area.
[05:37] <Maaz_> thatgraemeguy: Got it, I'll tell andrewlsd, on freenode
[06:16] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:16] <inetpro> thatgraemeguy: you're up early today
[08:27] <stickyboy> Is Pretoria nice this time of year?
[10:24] <superfly> stickyboy: so I've been told.
[10:27] <MaNI> only if you aren't allergic to jacaranda
[10:32] <superfly> or bees
[10:34] <gremble> Or vehicular accidents from sliding on Jacaranda mush after some rain
[11:40] <inetpro> Pretoria is actually nice all year around
[12:04] <inetpro> good mornings oom Kilos and welcome to #ubuntu-za
[12:04] <inetpro> oops... afternoon already?
[12:05] <Kilos> hi inetpro and others
[12:05] <Kilos> haha
[12:05] <Kilos> cheeky
[12:06] <gremble> Hey Kilos
[12:06] <gremble> Hey inetpro
[12:06] <Kilos> im trying to help a guy in china get testimonials for his membership application
[12:06] <Kilos> hi gremble
[12:07] <Kilos> i have no idea how he ended up in the africa channel
[12:09] <inetpro> Kilos: how're you doing today?
[12:09] <Kilos> bit eina but good ty inetpro
[12:10] <Kilos> not lekker when knifes invade your body
[12:11] <inetpro> hopefully helps to divert a bit of attention away from your head :-)
[12:12] <inetpro> which pain is worse?
[12:13] <Kilos> the head is actually quite lekker atm ty
[12:14] <Kilos> and op only hurts if i cough or sneeze or sit or bend or lift stuff
[12:14] <Kilos> so walk or lie down is best
[12:15] <Kilos> hard to type lying down though
[12:23] <Kilos> i go for a walk
[17:32] <Cryterion> Good evening everyone
[17:34] <gremble> Hey Cryterion
[17:41] <inetpro> heh Cryterion, gremble... how are you guys?
[17:41]  * inetpro very relieved that we pulled it through to the semi-final
[17:42] <Cryterion> all good, yeah that got through, but they gonna have a tough time against NZ in the semi's
[17:42] <gremble> I am well thanks and you inetpro?
[17:43] <inetpro> my son says we'll play against France :-)
[17:43] <Cryterion> We hope
[17:43] <inetpro> not impossible
[17:46] <Cryterion> not likely though http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/match/14230#stats
[17:48] <Cryterion> although they haven't played against each other for 2 years now
[17:53] <squish102> fance will struggle to beat NZ
[18:05] <inetpro> they are as unpredictable as ever... but I agree, it's unlikely
[18:05] <inetpro> in fact I think NZ will rip them apart
[18:06] <inetpro> will be yet another easy game for them
[18:09] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:10] <Kilos> welsh team played so well
[18:10] <Kilos> should been a walkover for us if we want to go much further
[18:11] <squish102> when is the NZ france game?
[18:11] <Kilos> we have to step up our gme
[18:11] <Kilos> nz playing in an hour
[18:11] <squish102> cool, have to go find it streaming somewhere again :(
[18:12] <Kilos> having a tv has some advantages
[18:13] <Kilos> inetpro hoe gaan dit daar by julle
[18:13] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[18:13] <superfly> hi Kilos
[18:14] <inetpro> Kilos: kwaai verlig, wallis het baie goed gespeel
[18:14] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:14] <squish102> tv - check.... tv signal - nada
[18:14] <Kilos> oh my
[18:15] <Kilos> actually inetpro i think wales was the better team today
[18:15] <Kilos> we were lucky with that last try'
[18:16] <Kilos> their fefence was great''
[18:16] <Kilos> defence
[18:18] <inetpro> Kilos: I disagree, we kept the scoreboard ticking in the first half, sad that we missed some penalties and beat them solid in the 2nd half
[18:19] <inetpro> we had the stonger team
[18:21] <inetpro> was a brilliant try in the end, despite the risky move, it worked
[18:22] <Kilos> yeah
[18:22] <inetpro> brilliant vision, excellent execution
[18:23] <Kilos> i mean if you look at the stats inetpro they worked 3 times harder than we did to keep us to what we just made
[18:24] <Kilos> we also cant afford missing kicks, pollard didnt have a good day
[18:25] <Kilos> he missed kicks that were much easier than what he has done successfully before
[18:25] <inetpro> pressure!
[18:25] <inetpro> could have cost us the game for sure
[18:26] <inetpro> good experience for the young dude, he played very well though
[18:27] <inetpro> they pulled it through when they had to, that is all that counts
[18:29] <inetpro> still way too many unforced errors
[18:29] <inetpro> we can do better, our boks have it in them to go all the way
[18:30] <inetpro> they just need to believe it and play that way
[18:32] <Kilos> yip
[18:44] <squish102> so if i am running ubuntu as a nas/tv pvr/other things... and now I want to use pfsence router software (freebsd), what would be the best virtlization software to run?
[18:44] <squish102> like virtualbox?
[18:45] <inetpro> squish102: kvm
[19:10] <Kilos> aw kiwi game not on tv
[19:10] <Kilos> sigh
[19:10] <inetpro> stupid sabc
[19:10] <Kilos> ya
[19:10]  * inetpro luister op rsg
[19:10] <Kilos> better to sleep then
[19:12] <inetpro> Fra 3 - 3 NZ
[19:34] <inetpro> Eish! France loosing it all the way...
[19:34] <inetpro> NZL  22 - 6  FRA
[19:51] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:51] <Kilos> kiwis sal wen
[19:51] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[22:33] <squish102> inetpro: can I still run my ubuntu server as is, and then open one freebsd session?
[22:34] <squish102> or do I need to backup the whole ubuntu, wipe server, install kvm, restore ubuntu, and then freebsd


[16:34] <akgraner> Good Morning :-)
[16:35] <Pendulum> hi akgraner
[16:35] <akgraner> Pendulum, hey!
[18:10] <nhandler> jussi showed me this today: http://moinmo.in/MacroMarket/EventAggregator . I'm not sure how useful it would be for us. I personally like the current calendar setup ore, but I figured I would pass it on
[18:45] <popey> can someone with access to the fridge calendar please fix the emea membership board meeting which should be 20:00 UTC today
[18:56] <nhandler> popey: Is that just this meeting? Or All meetings for the EMEA ?
[18:59] <popey> all of them
[18:59] <popey> but they happen on the first tuesday of the month, not sure you can schedule that?
[18:59] <nhandler> popey: Yep. That is how it was scheduled. Check now
[19:01] <akgraner> nhandler, is the time wrong?
[19:01] <nhandler> akgraner: It was
[19:01] <akgraner> across the board for all of the meetings?
[19:01] <popey> by the way, the text above the calendar says.. "The calendar below is in GMT (no daylight savings).
[19:01] <popey> which is wrong
[19:01] <nhandler> akgraner: It was a recurring event, so yes
[19:01] <popey> it should say UTC, not GMT
[19:02] <nhandler> popey: Google referrs to it as GMT as well, it would probably cause more confusion if we had our text say UTC
[19:02] <akgraner> oh ok - I haven't had a chance to look into that yet
[19:02] <popey> google sucks then :)
[19:02] <popey> GMT doesnt exist for 6 months of the year
[19:02] <popey> it really should say UTC
[19:03] <nhandler> File a bug ;)
[19:03] <popey> heh
[20:44] <akgraner> popey  - I am going to email all the teams who have meetings this month and ask that they double check their times etc
[20:45] <akgraner> also I've been sent a couple links to look at some other alternatives to the google calendar, since the fridge is getting an update :-)
[20:48] <popey> god idea
[20:49] <popey> *good