[22:44] <powersj> magicalChicken: when are you around this week?
[22:46] <magicalChicken> powersj: I'm full time this week and next
[22:47] <powersj> magicalChicken: oh cool :) care if I set something up for tomorrow morning?
[22:48] <magicalChicken> powersj: sure, tomorrow morning is good
[22:48] <magicalChicken> I have debian/centos support pretty much finished
[22:48] <powersj> magicalChicken: sweet!


[00:02] <Ultimoore> hi room.
[00:36] <Ultimoore> anybody online here?
[00:40] <Ultimoore> So ill start off a topic . Should Canonical have a flagship phone?
[01:04] <Ultimoore> IMO Canonical has the chance since they are less known. they can do what Android and Apple have never done. Ok lets begin, Android is great because for thoes people who just want a android phone they can go to any provider and get what they need. Thus giving people options for phones. Iphone is good because it is one phone that is built around IOS to make it run smooth and almost every provider sells it. IMO Ubuntu should d
[02:16] <Ultimoore> hello all
[04:01] <Ultimoore> anyone online?


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[14:03] <praisethemoon> elacheche, what is wannacry?
[14:59] <elacheche> praisethemoon: It's a ransomware, take a look at this http://thehackernews.com/2017/05/wannacry-ransomware-cyber-attack.html
[15:00] <praisethemoon> elacheche, is only on win?
[15:01] <elacheche> Hopefully, afaik, there is no information about a vulnerability in the Linux implementation of SMB..
[15:04] <praisethemoon> so, how bad it is? :/
[15:04] <praisethemoon> i opened fb a while ago and all news were about it
[15:15] <elacheche> Very bad I guess..
[15:15] <elacheche> To imagine how serious the situation is, reports said that the 1st
[15:15] <elacheche> version of WannaCry "has already
[15:15] <elacheche> infected over 170,000 computers across 99 countries worldwide only in
[15:15] <elacheche> past two days".. That version was already shutdown because of a
[15:15] <elacheche> Kill-Switch find in it..
[15:15]  * elacheche have something wrong with his xterm config, fixing t x)
[20:02] <hassoon> 'sup


[08:56] <Unit193> knome: Hello!  Can you check the breakdown thing on dev.x.o and see if it works on php8.1?
[09:48] <knome> Unit193, what breakdown?
[09:49] <Unit193> https://dev.xubuntu.org/ just that.
[09:56] <knome> shows just empty content?
[09:56] <knome> i guess that's a breakdown...
[09:56] <knome> but i also don'ẗ know if we have an active release set?
[09:57] <knome> (or how that thing i created, works)
[10:06] <Unit193> Hah, yay! :D
[10:14] <knome> i guess ping me again in a few days if you don't hear anything from me
[10:15] <Unit193> OK, thanks.


[12:07] <robotgeek> Burgwork: ping
[12:13] <Burgwork> robotgeek, pong
[12:13] <robotgeek> Burgwork: would you be willing to cheer for me in the meeting tommorow?
[12:15] <Burgwork> robotgeek, what time is it?
[12:15] <robotgeek> 20.00 utc, 21'st
[12:17] <Burgwork> robotgeek, yes I can, as that is noon here
[12:17] <robotgeek> Burgwork: cool, thanks!
[12:18] <Burgwork> robotgeek, can you ping me when the meeting starts?
[12:18] <robotgeek> Burgwork: sure, will do :)
[03:35] <LaserJock> hi Madpilot
[03:36] <Madpilot> hi LaserJock
[05:50] <robotgeek> Madpilot: ping
[06:01] <Madpilot> robotgeek: hi
[06:02] <robotgeek> Madpilot: just reminding, CC meeting tommorow :)
[06:02] <Madpilot> yeah 2000Z - I'm in a RL meeting at exactly the same time :(
[06:02] <robotgeek> RL?
[06:03] <Madpilot> real life
[06:03] <robotgeek> ah..
[06:03] <robotgeek> no problems :)
[06:03] <robotgeek> Burg work is cheering
[06:03] <Madpilot> yeah, I wanted to be there - my name is up for op on #ubuntu, for my sins
[06:03] <Madpilot> :P
[06:05] <robotgeek> so is Seveas, nalioth
[06:05] <robotgeek> and anyone else from #ubuntu-doc :)
[06:06] <Madpilot> good luck with membership, anyway - I'll be talking w/ seveas later, and I'll put a word in for you - I'm sure mdke already has
[06:06] <robotgeek> thanks Madpilot
[06:12] <LaserJock> robotgeek: hmm, I think I might have a meeting 2000-2100 but it might be short. I'll try to drop in on the CC meeting if I can
[06:12] <robotgeek> thanks LaserJock
[06:14] <robotgeek> LaserJock: i'll probably ping you when the time comes :)
[06:21] <LaserJock> robotgeek: what is the URL for your wiki page?
[06:22] <robotgeek> LaserJock: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/VenkatRaghavan
[06:25] <bhuvan> robotgeek: best wishes!
[06:25] <robotgeek> thanks bhuvan
[06:25] <bhuvan> robotgeek: i prefer to include links to your patches in your wiki page
[06:25] <robotgeek> bhuvan: nice idea!
[06:25] <bhuvan> robotgeek: thus, the approver may be more comfortable
[06:25] <bhuvan> you may get the links from ubuntudoc-commits mailing lists
[06:26] <robotgeek> yes, i am subscribed :)
[06:26] <EricNeon> hi
[06:27] <LaserJock> hi EricNeon
[06:27] <Madpilot> hi EricNeon
[06:27] <EricNeon> :)
[06:29] <EricNeon> I am writing a mail to Mark to introduce the Ubuntu-cn team
[06:30] <Madpilot> cn?
[06:30] <EricNeon> we will speed up for dapper release
[06:30] <EricNeon> CN, Ubuntu China
[06:31] <EricNeon> last week ,we have a meeting with mark and yaste and hande
[06:31] <Madpilot> cool - Mark was just in China, I think
[06:33] <EricNeon> we talk about community construction and dapper release party
[06:34] <EricNeon> they ask me mail a plan to him
[06:35] <robotgeek> bhuvan: more work for me :)
[06:58] <robotgeek> bhuvan: thanks, done
[06:58] <bhuvan> robotgeek: ok
[07:04] <bhuvan> robotgeek: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc-commits/2006-February/001913.html
[07:05] <robotgeek> bhuvan: hmm, my email client missed that :)
[07:05] <robotgeek> thanks :)
[07:29] <LaserJock_away> lol, I'm already thinking about dapper+1
[07:29] <Madpilot> bhuvan: braver than I am :P
[07:30] <robotgeek> heh, i am on dapper and lovin it
[07:30] <LaserJock_away> I've been on dapper since about Oct.
[07:30] <bhuvan> robotgeek, great!
[07:30] <robotgeek> bhuvan: my airport extreme works, i just moved my kmail to dapper too.
[07:31] <LaserJock_away> so how do you guys write for dapper? Do you have dapper installed on a spare box or something?
[07:32] <robotgeek> LaserJock_away: yeah, i just use dapper
[07:32] <Madpilot> LaserJock_away: most of the apps I've written stuff for aren't changing much for Dapper, from what I've heard
[07:32] <robotgeek> lots of ppl use qemu/whatever
[07:32] <Madpilot> Is there a Flight4 LiveCD?
[07:32] <LaserJock_away> yeah
[07:33] <LaserJock_away> it should have espresso on it so you can install from the liveCD
[07:36] <LaserJock_away> hmm, I might try it out too. I haven't used any of the Flight .isos
[07:37] <jsgotangco> my hibernate is borked
[07:37] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: uggh
[07:37] <jsgotangco> yes
[07:37] <jsgotangco> the joys of laptop testing
[07:38] <jsgotangco> robotgeek, sleep resides in memory
[07:38] <jsgotangco> hibernate goes to disk
[07:38] <robotgeek> ah, i don't think i've ever hibernated
[07:39] <robotgeek> macs don't hibernate, lol
[07:41] <LaserJock_away> I haven't been bold enough to try Ubuntu on my laptop. Dapper on a desktop no problem, but laptops just scare me ;-)
[07:41] <LaserJock_away> robotgeek: they don't, my iMac does I think
[07:42] <robotgeek> LaserJock_away: my power button doesn't work, closing the lid sleeps well, however
[08:51] <mdke_> morning
[08:57] <Madpilot> mdke_: you going to make the CC meeting?
[08:58] <mdke_> maybe, maybe not
[08:59] <Madpilot> robotgeek is going for membership, is all
[09:01] <mdke_> yeah, saw it in the scrollback
[09:01] <jsgotangco> hmmm CC would be 4am on my side :/
[09:01] <mdke_> his membership is so obviously a cinch that our presence is unnecessary, but I will leave a message if I can't get there
[09:03] <mdke_> Madpilot, couple of TODOs on the desktopguide I thought of recently
[09:03] <mdke_> i added a blank section for how to use the menu editor
[09:04] <mdke_> that way we can point to that, instead of having those ugly sections about adding a desktop file in /usr/share/applications
[09:04] <mdke_> those are truly awful
[09:06] <Madpilot> true - I'm torrenting the Flight4 LiveCD right now, so I'll play with it tomorrow and write some of that
[09:06] <mdke_> rocking
[09:07] <mdke_> the other thing was maybe we could include something on apt-get in the add-applications section
[09:07] <Madpilot> does the server-guide cover apt-get? Could we link to their docs?
[09:10] <mdke_> not easily i don't think
[09:10] <mdke_> the problem is that the guide will be both on the system and on the internet, the links might break
[09:10] <mdke_> we could use their code though
[09:10] <mdke_> if its friendly enough
[09:17] <Madpilot> stuff written for server admins might be a bit much for newbies to the CLI...
[09:18] <Madpilot> I'll apply the same test to it I did to vim: If I understand it, I'll write about it. If I don't, forget it. :P
[09:23] <mdke_> :)
[09:24] <mdke_> -> work
[10:00] <Kamping_At_Hut> is there anything on printer sharing in ubuntu breezy in the help? the wiki and help.ubuntu dont seem to have anything
[10:00] <Madpilot> Kamping_At_Hut: there are wiki articles on XP->Ubuntu and Ubuntu->XP printer sharing
[10:01] <Kamping_At_Hut> Madpilot: im after ubuntu -> debian sharing, same deal?
[10:01] <Madpilot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWinXP
[10:01] <Madpilot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsXPPrinter
[10:01] <Madpilot> no idea, but that should be easier than win->Linux
[10:02] <Kamping_At_Hut> i dont think it is ;) because of the cups mangling in ubuntu
[10:02] <Madpilot> hmm, a quick wiki search only turns up specs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrinterSharing
[10:02] <Madpilot> not a good sign
[10:03] <Kamping_At_Hut> mm. sounds like your finding the same stuff as me :/
[10:04] <Kamping_At_Hut> nothing on break-my-ubuntu either (aka ubuntuguide)
[10:05] <Madpilot> heh
[10:06] <Kamping_At_Hut> im sure there was a few lines of the config file you change and you could do sharing :/ *cant rememeber where he saw it *
[10:06] <Madpilot> check the other "we're too cool for the official wiki" wiki: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/BreezyCust
 ok good idea
[10:07] <Madpilot> actually, some of the stuff there is pretty good - the Breezy eyecandy section, for example
[10:08] <Kamping_At_Hut> it may be good stuff, its just a pity it cant be with other good stuff :
[10:08] <Kamping_At_Hut> :| (damn keyboard with | in the wrong spot)
[10:10] <Madpilot> doesn't seem to be anything at gwos, either
[10:12] <Kamping_At_Hut> im going to try this http://occy.net/printing
[10:12] <mdke_> some printing help would be useful
[10:13] <Madpilot> mdke_: can you start an email of "things it would be cool to get into the docs before Dapper string freeze"?
 how long is it utnill freeze? a month?
[10:13] <Kamping_At_Hut> *untill
[10:13] <Madpilot> about that
[10:13] <mdke_> Madpilot, alright
[10:14] <Kamping_At_Hut> i can probably put my hand up for something, just depends on time restraints
[10:18] <Madpilot> Kamping_At_Hut: that printing url - "occy" rings faint bells - someone who shows up on #ubuntu or #ubuntu-offtopic sometimes, I think
[10:21] <Kamping_At_Hut> woot. it works
[10:21] <Kamping_At_Hut> *hugs cups, even ubuntus version*
[10:22] <Kamping_At_Hut> Madpilot: hm. ill check my logs then and see if it comes up
[10:27] <Kamping_At_Hut> Madpilot: yeh, he/she/it seems to show up a bit (lots of log entries)
[10:27] <Kamping_At_Hut> brb. finding network calbe :/
[10:48] <mpt> UBUNTU DOCUMENT STORAGE FACILITY
[10:48] <mpt> INTRUDERS WILL BE PROSECUTED
[10:48] <jsgotangco> lol
[10:48] <jsgotangco> seriously...
[10:49] <mpt> There's way too much meta-ness in Ubuntu documentation generally
[10:49] <mpt> Like, using the word "documentation"
[10:49] <mpt> and the word "wiki"
[10:49] <mpt> and the word "user"
[10:50] <mpt> and "document" and "storage" and "facility"
[10:50] <Kamping_At_Hut> meta?
[10:50] <Madpilot> meta-ness?
[10:50] <mpt> meta-ness, i.e. writing about the writing rather than writing about the topic
[10:50] <Madpilot> ah, OK
[10:51] <Kamping_At_Hut> *blank look*
[10:51] <Madpilot> see also our ongoing efforts to get our wiki's UserDocumentation page into some sort of usable shape :P
[10:51] <mpt> Kamping_At_Hut, a simple example, there's a wiki page called "UserDocumentation"
[10:52] <mpt> not "HelpUsingUbuntu" or "UbuntuSupport" or something like that, but "UserDocumentation"
[10:53] <Kamping_At_Hut> mm. think i get it
[10:53] <Madpilot> as opposed to too much of the rest of the wiki, which is DeveloperDocumentation or ProjectDocumentation or some such...
[10:53] <mpt> Madpilot, yeah, separate wikis will help there
[10:54] <mpt> but it could still have been called "HelpUsingUbuntu" from the beginning
[10:54] <jsgotangco> we are all experts in the end
[10:56] <Madpilot> we can change the name when we migrate to the new server - there'll be lots of redirects going in anyway
[10:56] <mpt> well, on a separate help site, it can be called "/" :-)
[10:57] <Madpilot> yeah, that too :P
[10:58] <Madpilot> giving the main page a name does make it easier to link back to, though
[10:59] <Madpilot> Wikipedia uses Main_Page
[10:59] <mpt> to its eternal shame
[11:00] <mpt> hmm, I suppose that's a feature request for Moin
[11:00] <Madpilot> it's more descriptive than "Index", I guess
[11:02] <mpt> That the biggest text on <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page> is "Main Page" is stupid
[11:02] <mpt> It should be "Wikipedia"
[11:02] <Madpilot> bug in MediaWiki, I guess
[11:03] <mpt> Same goes for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ and "FrontPage" -- it's not a wiki about using Microsoft Web authoring tools!
[11:03] <Madpilot> bug in all wiki apps, then :P
[11:03] <mpt> http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/ has it right
[11:04] <mpt> ah, they don't repeat the title as a heading on any page
[11:04] <Madpilot> nice - so it *is* possible to seperate page name from title
[11:05] <Madpilot> actually, they do, kind of, but it's up in the grey header so it's less obvious
[03:27] <mgalvin> anyone here have privs to make a wiki page immutable?
[04:28] <mdke_> mgalvin, no one does at all, here or not
[04:29] <mgalvin> mdke_: ah ok, thanks
[04:30] <mgalvin> just wondering b/c people keep ranting and/or making large modifications to DapperFlight4, i was looking for a way to prevent people from ranting on that page and such
[04:30] <mgalvin> not a big deal
[04:30] <jsgotangco> hmm
[04:30] <jsgotangco> how ugly does the <procedure> block render in yelp?
[04:32] <mdke_> mgalvin, publish it on a web site rather than a wiki?
[04:33] <mdke_> jsgotangco, it's fine, similar to orderedlist
[04:33] <jsgotangco> okay
[04:33] <jsgotangco> s/to/from
[04:47] <mgalvin> mdke_: that is a possibility
[04:51] <jsgotangco> heh that didn't look bad at all thanks
[05:16] <robotgeek> jjesse: i just took a look at the adept guide, wasn't there something regarding the use of sudo for gui apps?
[05:16] <robotgeek> kdesu vs sudo, i.e.
[05:25] <jjesse> robotgeek: the adept guide unfortnatly hasn't been touched since breezy
[05:25] <jjesse> so i don'tk now how accurate it is
[05:25] <robotgeek> jjesse: hmm, okay.
[05:28] <jsgotangco> mgalvin: ping
[05:43] <FreakinNuts> robotgeek: There's something on the RootSudo wiki regarding sudo on graphical apps.
[05:47] <robotgeek> FreakinNuts: i'll take a look for the details, i think it might be wrong to use sudo for graphical apps
[05:47] <FreakinNuts> robotgeek: That's correct....you want to use something like gksudo or use the "Run Application As" feature that is implemented in Ubuntu.
[05:48] <FreakinNuts> kdesu in kubuntu.
[05:49] <robotgeek> hmm, it's a one liner.
[05:50] <robotgeek> jjesse: will you correct it, or you want me to mail it to the list?
[08:47] <robotgeek> Burgwork: ping
[08:49] <LaserJock> hi robotgeek, are you ready?
[08:49] <robotgeek> yeah, LaserJock :)
[08:49] <robotgeek> LaserJock: meeting has not yet started, though
[08:50] <LaserJock> robotgeek: how long have you been contributing to Ubuntu? that is one of the main questions they will ask
[08:50] <robotgeek> since 2005-09-08.
[08:50] <LaserJock> robotgeek: good
[08:51] <robotgeek> :)
[08:51] <Burgwork> robotgeek, pong
[08:51] <robotgeek> Burgwork: CC in 8 minutes :)
[08:52] <LaserJock> hmm, is mdke going to be there?
[08:52] <Burgwork> robotgeek, already there
[08:52] <robotgeek> Burgwork: cool thanks!
[09:12] <robotgeek> mdke_: ping
[09:23] <ompaul> wrt the wiku  can the text and title search be merged that was what provoked my email?
[09:24] <Burgwork> ompaul, would be nice
[09:24] <ompaul> it is not obvious and I have 10 years + on web browsing
[09:33] <mdke_> robotgeek, pong
[09:33] <robotgeek> mdke_: #ubuntu-meeting, betterwikispecs
[09:33] <robotgeek> or docs, rahter
[09:36] <mdke> what are they talking about?
[09:37] <robotgeek> mdke: they kinda went tangent after the server issue
[09:37] <Madpilot> in -meeting? no idea, I just got in
[09:37] <mdke> oh
[09:38] <Madpilot> Burgwork raised his favourite piece of flamebait, "We should use MediaWiki instead of MoinMoin" :P
[09:38] <robotgeek> heh
[09:38] <Burgwork> no, I am raising why I think mediawiki is technically better suited to our tak
[09:40] <mdke> Burgwork, that's very helpful
[09:57] <Burgwork> mdke, are you being sarcastic?
[09:57] <mdke> not now, but i was yeah
[09:58] <Burgwork> mdke Burgwork, that's very helpful <-- that line
[09:58] <mdke> yes
[09:58] <Burgwork> figured, but wasn't certain
[09:59] <manicka> congrats robotgeek :)
[09:59] <mdke> i'm bummed I wasn't around to defend my spec :/
[10:00] <Kyral> 'bout time you bastard ;P
[10:01] <mdke> night all
[10:01] <Madpilot> later, mdke
[10:03] <LaserJoc1> I'm just reading the CC backlog, so the general idea was that the current wiki is fine and we don't need a docteam wiki?
[10:03] <Burgwork> yes, that was the CCs idea
[10:04] <Madpilot> sounds like it :(
[10:04] <Madpilot> I missed the first part of the meeting, though
[10:05] <Burgwork> we simply need to sell the idea better
[10:05] <LaserJoc1> hmmm, I thought we should move it from wiki to something else for that reason. It's sorta like "why do you need another wiki?"
[10:05] <Burgwork> they don't understand the value yet
[10:29] <LaserJock> Burgwork: would showing the stages a doc would go through help?
[10:31] <Burgwork> LaserJock, sorry, don't understand
[10:33] <LaserJock> Burgwork: say something like, w.u.c --> gets cleaned up --> everybody likes --> new wiki ? Like what would the process be to get a new doc into the new wiki.
[10:34] <Burgwork> ah
[10:34] <Burgwork> the current idea is to migrate all docs, regardless of of state
[10:34] <LaserJock> really? I thought it was just going to be a few
[10:34] <mdke> LaserJock, no, all docs
[10:35] <LaserJock> do we want all docs?
[10:35] <Burgwork> yes
[10:35] <LaserJock> like even MOTU/* ?
[10:35] <Burgwork> no, those are not docs
[10:35] <Burgwork> anything in CategoryDocumentation
[10:35] <LaserJock> ahh, ok. that helps
[10:36] <LaserJock> ok, and then how is that different than the docteam repo work? (playing devil's advocate a little here)
[10:37] <mdke> because only a few people can access that
[10:37] <Madpilot> LaserJock: the wiki is far larger than any of our repo docs, and way more open
[10:37] <mdke> everyone would be able to edit the wiki
[10:37] <LaserJock> so then how is it different that the current wiki?
[10:37] <mdke> did you see the spec?
[10:38] <LaserJock> yes, but not recently.
[10:38] <Madpilot> we wouldn't have the specs, MOTU stuff, etc messing up the searches for actual docs
[10:38] <mdke> it would be different in two ways
[10:38] <mdke> 1, what Madpilot said, and 2, all the documentation would be in one place
[10:38] <LaserJock> BetterWikiDocs, right?
[10:38] <mdke> yes
[10:38] <LaserJock> but why wouldn't you just use namespace to do that?
[10:39] <LaserJock> or is that not practical
[10:39] <Madpilot> can MoinMoin do namespacing the same way MediaWiki can?
[10:39] <mdke> that doesn't help the search thing, and i am totally sold on having a single site which just does help
[10:40] <LaserJock> I'm just saying, why wouldn't you put all the docs under Documentation/ or something like that? that seems to seperate.
[10:40] <Burgwork> LaserJock, doesn't solve the searching issue
[10:40] <LaserJock> mdke: I think it is a great idea to have a single site for help.
[10:40] <Madpilot> got to run - work :P
[10:40] <Madpilot> see you all later
[10:41] <LaserJock> hmmm, but you can't just search within Documentation/* or CategoryDocumentation ?
[10:41] <mdke> what if you want to search somewhere else?
[10:41] <mdke> like for a spec
[10:42] <Burgwork> the problem of how do you guess what an anonymous user wants
[10:42] <Burgwork> the logged in users are pretty easy
[10:42] <LaserJock> I'd think we would be able to have some sore of drop-down menu of major catagories but I don't really know wiki stuff very well
[10:42] <mdke> you can't limit searches like that, unless you have a search box for each potential subject of the wiki
[10:43] <LaserJock> it seems like something like how forums are set up would do what you want as far as separation?
[10:43] <Burgwork> don't see how the forums apply?
[10:43] <mdke> there is simply no point making the effort of trying to push lots of things into one box
[10:43] <LaserJock> Burgwork: like how there are subforums and you can search within subforums, that's all
[10:43] <mdke> especially since they bear no relation to each other
[10:44] <Burgwork> yes, but that is totally suboptimal
[10:44] <Burgwork> all forums are crap for actually getting useful information, to be honest
[10:44] <Burgwork> great for random chitchat
[10:44] <mdke> they are good for questions and answers
[10:44] <mdke> and bad as a reference tool
[10:44] <LaserJock> I'm not talking about making it a forum, but just have forum-like search features
[10:45] <LaserJock> I agree
[10:45] <mdke> what's the value in having them on the wiki?
[10:45] <LaserJock> what?
[10:45] <mdke> docs
[10:45] <mdke> if there is some value, I'm prepared to weigh it against the value of having them on their own site
[10:45] <mdke> which is considerable :)
[10:45] <mdke> right now, I don't see any value in it
[10:46] <mdke> erm
[10:46] <Burgwork> there is very little intercommunication between doc wiki pages and non-doc wiki pages
[10:46] <mdke> damn my stream of consciousness
[10:46] <LaserJock> people can search across many different areas I suppose. Perhaps a spec has something to do with what you are looking for. How do you know that the user isn't interested in specs or MOTU docs, etc.
[10:46] <Burgwork> ergo, very few links to break and little referencing of the other area
[10:46] <mdke> LaserJock, if they are interested in that, they go to the wiki and search
[10:46] <Burgwork> LaserJock, that is the reason why we need another wiki
[10:47] <mdke> if they want documentation, they go to documentation and search
[10:47] <Burgwork> we don't know what they are searching for
[10:47] <LaserJock> but it isn't always so clear cut. How is the user to know whether they need w.u.c or h.u.c ?
[10:47] <Burgwork> they want help vs. they want to help Ubuntu
[10:47] <Burgwork> there is a very clear cut line there
[10:48] <LaserJock> it isn't to me
[10:48] <mdke> they'll know, because it will be called the right thing
[10:48] <mdke> help
[10:48] <mdke> and it will have a massive logo on it :)
[10:49] <LaserJock> but what if I need help packaging, for instance? (something I know) do I look at h.u.c or w.u.c?
[10:49] <mdke> w
[10:49] <mdke> because that is development
[10:49] <LaserJock> but I needed help?
[10:49] <Burgwork> that is helping Ubuntu, not setting up your printer
[10:49] <LaserJock> totally ;-)(
[10:50] <LaserJock> umm ;-) even
[10:50] <mdke> but you're not going to find that on anything.ubuntu.com
[10:50] <LaserJock> ok, so what if you had a choice at h.u.c when you did a search to also search w.u.c?
[10:50] <mdke> robotgeek, no, it's not as simple as that
[10:51] <mdke> i think the mistake was presenting this as a search problem
[10:51] <robotgeek> mdke: hmm, okay
[10:51] <mdke> it's much bigger
[10:52] <LaserJock> my problem is I don't see "help" as being very clearly defined so I'm having trouble drawing the line between help. and wiki.
[10:52] <mdke> LaserJock, call it documentation then
[10:52] <mdke> robotgeek, it's about giving users documentation in one place rather than two, and giving documentation a bigger and better profile
[10:52] <Burgwork> robotgeek, search is one aspect of the problem
[10:52] <LaserJock> mdke: there are a lot of wiki pages in MOTU/ that I would call documentation.
[10:52] <jjesse> i have 90% of my time found the needed information by using the search for text function in  the wiki
[10:52] <mdke> LaserJock, call it user documentation then
[10:53] <Burgwork> end user help
[10:53] <robotgeek> mdke: #3 on BetterWikiDocs makes a lot of sense
[10:53] <Burgwork> MS has a clear distinction
[10:53] <mdke> robotgeek, yeah, that should be #1 for me
[10:54] <LaserJock> MS isn't very open either. we do our development in public which means, I think, that the separation is a little fuzzy
[10:54] <Burgwork> yes, but think of the difference between MSDN and their knowledgebase
[10:54] <LaserJock> what if what the user is wanting help on is addressed in a spec?
[10:55] <mdke> LaserJock, i think you're clinging too hard to this "definition" thing. Just think about your users looking for documentation to use their system
[10:55] <Burgwork> end users should not be using a spec to get help
[10:55] <mdke> LaserJock, if the help is in a spec, then there is no need for us to assist them to find it, it should be in documentation
[10:55] <LaserJock> mdke: the reason that I'm worried about the definition is that we will have to decide what goes to help.
[10:55] <Burgwork> we can say in the help "This is going to be made easier by XYZ spec"
[10:55] <LaserJock> sure
[10:56] <mdke> LaserJock, that is not as difficult as you're making out, i repeat, think about users grappling with their system
[10:56] <mdke> there is a pretty clear distinction between development and user documentation
[10:57] <LaserJock> I suppose, although I think they are pretty closely tied together
[10:57] <LaserJock> unless the help meets all the users needs
[10:57] <mdke> they aren't, IMO.
[10:57] <mdke> ok, i'm going to bed
[10:57] <robotgeek> night mdke
[10:57] <mdke> nighty night
[10:57] <LaserJock> I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for having to root around in the development to get the help I needed.
[10:58] <mdke> LaserJock, no one is undervaluing that
[10:58] <LaserJock> cya mdke, and just to let you know, I support the spec. I think it is a great idea
[10:58] <mdke> :)
[10:59] <LaserJock> I'm just trying to work through all the issues and get us thinking about it. I think there are disadvantages to anything but I think in this case the advantages far outweigh the disadvantages
[11:08] <LaserJock> hmm, I don't suppose it is possible to have a test wiki (mediawiki maybe?) to do somewhat of a mockup?
[11:16] <Burgwork> LaserJock, see the thread on -doc about improving the wiki to what it needs to be
[11:18] <LaserJock> well, but for our separate wiki? I just wonder what it would look like? Same as right now with a link at help.u.c?
[11:18] <Burgwork> ideally it would integrated svn and wiki
[11:18] <Burgwork> mdke did some work on this
[11:22] <LaserJock> cool
[11:42] <robotgeek> hi, can anyone help with some docbook?
[11:42] <robotgeek> desktopguide.xml:25: element book: validity error : root and DTD name do not match 'book' and 'article'
[11:46] <LaserJock> robotgeek: umm, did you happen  to mix book and article somewhere?
[11:49] <robotgeek> LaserJock: i don't think so
[11:51] <robotgeek> LaserJock: lemme revert the files, lol


[18:42] <loskutak> ping -> few seconds wait, then standard ping with 300ms latency
[18:42] <vfw> loskutak: Could be that your router is giving out a nameserver IP that is no longer in use.
[18:42] <loskutak> host av.com instant... host google.com -> connection timed out no servers could be reached
[18:42] <vfw> 300ms seems ok.
[18:43] <vfw> loskutak: can you ping google.com
[18:43] <vfw> ?
[18:43] <Jordan_U> loskutak: Try using the dns server <IP_ADDRESS> .
[18:43] <vfw> loskutak: What nameserver are you using now?
[18:43] <loskutak> vfw: I cannot
[18:44] <vfw> loskutak: Interesting..
[18:44] <loskutak> how to see what ns am I using?
[18:44] <vfw> loskutak: Are you using your router's caching nameserver?
[18:44] <tgm4883> loskutak: what is the output of 'host google.com <IP_ADDRESS>'
[18:45] <vfw> loskutak: cat /etc/resolv.conf
[18:45] <vfw> loskutak: Try what tgm4883 suggests....
[18:45] <loskutak> tgm4883: connection timed out, no servers could be reached
[18:45] <vfw> loskutak: What country are you in?  (What is your location?)
[18:45] <tgm4883> loskutak: very interesting. Can you ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:46] <Stinky_Feet> Onepamopa: Are your kernel headers matching your kernel? It is using /lib/modules/4.4.24-dk/build, what is the output of uname -r? I compiled the driver without problems...
[18:46] <Onepamopa> Stinky_Feet, yes they're matching
[18:46] <peeps[lappy]> does ubuntu still default to dash which masquerades as bash?  i can't remember how you even tell which is running. i thought maybe it was a symlink in /bin/bash, but not seeing it
[18:46] <loskutak> cannot ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:46] <Onepamopa> uname -r -> 4.4.24-dk
[18:46] <vfw> loskutak: What country are you in?  (What is your location?)
[18:46] <loskutak> Czech Republic, Prague
[18:47] <Jordan_U> peeps[lappy]: Ubuntu has never had dash masquerading as bash. Ubuntu symlinks /bin/sh to dash.
[18:47] <loskutak> /etc/resolv.conf -> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>\nsearch lan
[18:47] <vfw> loskutak: Not sure what is going on.  You may need to talk to your Internet Service Provider.
[18:47] <tgm4883> loskutak: are you talking to us from the same machine that you are having the issue from?
[18:47] <loskutak> tgm4883: yes
[18:47] <Jordan_U> peeps[lappy]: You'll notice pretty quickly if you ever try to use dash interactively that it not bash.
[18:47] <loskutak> tgm4883: it is really weird...
[18:48] <Stinky_Feet> Onepamopa: OK, all I could think of, I'm on 4.4.0-47-generic, no problems...
[18:48] <Jordan_U> s/it/it's/
[18:48] <vfw> loskutak: Do you have a firewall/router that may be blocking google.com?
[18:48] <Onepamopa> Stinky_Feet, so you can compile it w/o problems? huh
[18:48] <Onepamopa> I'll try @ generic
[18:48] <tgm4883> loskutak: what's the output of 'nmcli d'
[18:49] <loskutak> vfw: possibly, don't know... but everything works well usually..
[18:49] <vfw> loskutak: You may need to restart your router, cable-modem, or DSL-modem.
[18:49] <Stinky_Feet> Onepamopa: Yep: http://pastebin.com/izZVdkxi
[18:49] <Onepamopa> I'll try now, booting ...
[18:50] <loskutak> tgm4883: wlan0 connected, eth0 unavailable
[18:50] <loskutak> ok, will try that
[18:50] <vfw> loskutak: traceroute <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:50] <tgm4883> loskutak: what version of ubuntu is this?
[18:51] <Onepamopa> Stinky_Feet, strange, I was able to compile @ the generic kernel, but not @ custom
[18:51] <vfw> loskutak: Have you been experimenting with iptables?
[18:51] <Onepamopa> what the ...
[18:51] <Onepamopa> they having identical .config & everything
[18:51] <loskutak> tgm4883: 14.04.5
[18:51] <loskutak> vfw: no
[18:51] <loskutak> vfw: no config tweaking when this happened
[18:51] <vfw> fully updated?
[18:52] <vfw> You might try updates.
[18:52] <vfw> loskutak: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:53] <tgm4883> loskutak: can you ping termbin.com
[18:53] <loskutak> vfw: not really, but only few latest uninteresting upgrades pending. will do that...
[18:53] <mr_lou> I record a video on my phone at 2 am. Copy it to Ubuntu via Mass Storage => timestamp on the video becomes 3 am. Copy it to Ubuntu via MTP => timestamp = 2 am. Metadata for both copies says it was recorded 1 am.......   O_o     Have had this problem for years with several version of Ubuntu and several phones....   wtf?
[18:53] <Stinky_Feet> Onepamopa: Oh well, I have no idea...
[18:53] <loskutak> tgm4883: I can
[18:54] <vfw> loskutak: Finish updates and reboot.
[18:54] <tgm4883> loskutak: what's the output of 'tracepath <IP_ADDRESS> | nc termbin.com 9999'
[18:54] <vfw> tgm4883: You mean traceroute?
[18:54] <tgm4883> vfw: nope
[18:54] <vfw> Ok
[18:55] <tgm4883> vfw: although it gives the same output, I think it was renamed at some point
[18:55] <Jordan_U> mr_lou: If the metadata for the video says it was recorded at 1 AM then it seems pretty clear that the phone is writing the metadata incorrectly.
[18:55] <ldsh> Hi, I would like to use my ubuntu gnome with my new NVIDIA 1050 Ti, but I have only a black-grey screen at the moment of login (and nothing in live CD after I chose to try without installing). It works fine under Windows (so the card is not dead). I see that some people (phoronix) have this card working on linux.
[18:56] <mr_lou> Jordan_U, Sounds logical, if it was just one phone. But it's been this way with the past 4 phones I've had. Granted, they've all been Sony phones.....
[18:59] <Jordan_U> mr_lou: While it unfortunately makes sense for timestamps on files to be mucked with by a file transfer, especially via USB Mass Storage and a FAT filesystem, the contents of the video file won't change no matter how you're transfering it. Is your phone configured with the same time zone as your computer? Does the phone itself report the time in the metadata of the video correctly?
[19:01] <mr_lou> Jordan_U, Both phone and Ubuntu is set to find the correct timezone themselves. I checked that it's correct; GMT+1 for me. But it sure does look like the phones uses GMT for meta. Yes, copying files from mass storage sometimes gives files a new timestamp: the one for when it was copied. This is not what happens here though. It doesn't get the timestamp of the time of the copy, but rather of the time of recording + 1 hour.
[19:01] <mr_lou> Jordan_U, This has happened ever since I used Sony Ericsson Aino (first time I noticed it), and up through other phones I've used since then.
[19:02] <mr_lou> Just crazy
[19:02] <mr_lou> At the time I assume it was a bug somewhere and that it would soon be fixed - but apparently not.
[19:02] <loskutak> tgm4883: http://termbin.com/73l0
[19:03] <tgm4883> loskutak: as vfw said, it's worth a shot rebooting your devices
[19:04] <kikll> hey people
[19:05] <loskutak> tgm4883: have been upgrading... going to try that now :)
[19:06] <phako> hi, where would I get help regarding a PPA built that is stuck in dependency wait?
[19:06] <phako> *build
[19:06] <nacc> phako: which PPA?
[19:07] <phako> https://launchpad.net/~yg-jensge/+archive/ubuntu/shotwell-unstable - it waits for libgexiv2-dev 0.10.24 which is also in that PPA
[19:07] <phako> er 0.10.4
[19:08] <kikll> guys im using trisquel mini 7 and i've add ubuntu repo's of trusty tahr since its base but when i do an update of my source list it ignores these repo's , can someone help please
[19:12] <cr__> hola
[19:12] <nacc> phako: i'm not sure how the ppa resolution works, tbh; it seems like when the build tried before, the pacakges weren't there. YOu might try asking in #launchpad.
[19:12] <kikll> here's what i get when i run apt-get update http://pastebin.com/ZnM8JxiM
[19:12] <cr__> i am new this
[19:13] <cr__> i test the SO
[19:13] <nacc> kikll: trisquel is not supported here, afaict.
[19:13] <nacc> kikll: i would contact their support
[19:14] <studio-user260> hi
[19:14] <nacc> cr__: what is "SO"?
[19:15] <studio-user260> it depends
[19:15] <studio-user260> but most likel it is a scream to stop the horses
[19:15] <phako> nacc: nah, the package was there before. But I'll check in lp
[19:22] <PapoHack> who speak spanish
[19:22] <Tachyon_> si
[19:22] <akik> !es
[19:24] <PapoHack> this is channel of support??
[19:24] <akik> PapoHack: yes, if you speak english
[19:25] <PapoHack> ohh my english is bad
[19:25] <PapoHack> jaja
[19:26] <loskutak> I am back... rebooted everything, still not pinging <IP_ADDRESS> But it seems something went wrong on much higher level, apparently it has got tv news coverage as well. Whole country affected? don't know
[19:26] <loskutak> at least I can still reach freenode :)
[19:28] <loskutak> http://downdetector.com/status/google/map/
[19:31] <koroso> hey all
[19:32] <loskutak> outlook down as well...
[19:33] <akik> loskutak: try connecting to your local country services first
[19:34] <akik> loskutak: and see if dns can find those ip addresses
[19:34] <loskutak> akik: yeah it works... only google based things went down
[19:37] <loskutak> But it seems our country is back online :)... Hopefully it will stay that way
[19:39] <loskutak> It is amazing how bad things start to be without accessible google... You cannot really search for what is going on, many people are using google DNS many websites are relying on fonts and other things from google etc...
[19:39] <pitti_> hi all. i just installed xubuntu on usb and it wont connect to wifi. i use password but it does nothing any help would be greatly apreciated :) im looking forward to learning linux
[19:40] <loskutak> thanks for the help!
[19:41] <Tachyon_> hello. because my system partition(I think it's std7 it's running out of space, I through about "borrowing" some space from std3. unfortunatelly, I don't know now what to do because if I try to grow sda7 says it doesn't have any space preceding. http://i.imgur.com/ZdyfpnH.jpg what can I do now ?
[19:41] <vfw> loskutak: It's best to use the nameserver recommended by your ISP
[19:42] <Tachyon_> sda * -- I am used with std from cpp :D
[19:42] <zero_> hola queria saber como instalar mpich2 y algun compilador intel para ubuntu gracias
[19:43] <Tachyon_> I thought it's english only here
[19:45] <loskutak> vfw: I had issues with that before, so I switched to google DNS... but the issue was that <IP_ADDRESS> was completely unreachable from our country now, so it was not a nameserver issue...
[19:46] <pitti_> am i doing this right?
[19:50] <koroso> how can i configure network on wireless because its started on lan :s
[19:57] <koroso> nobody can help me?
[19:57] <brotherBox> i have the same problem
[19:57] <brotherBox> i usually delete the wired connection then
[19:58] <ioria> koroso, what's your problem ?
[19:59] <LondonAppDev> Hello. I am using Ubuntu 16.04. Under the bluetooth icon (top right) I have a list of two devices and I want to remove these devices from the list. The problem is, when I go to the bluetooth menu where you can add/remove devices, they don't appear in the list. Is there a terminal command I can use to clear the devices off? Thanks in advance.
[20:04] <Alumin> The mouse in my Dell Latitude E6530 laptop running Kubuntu 12.04 (precise) isn't set up for scroll wheel emulation.  Where would I get started on figuring out how to set that up?
[20:07] <Alumin> are we talking getting my hands dirty with xorg.conf?
[20:07] <Alumin> that's what it used to be, back in the day, but maybe things are fancier now
[20:08] <pac1> ls
[20:08] <ldsh> Even on a live cd of the daily build of the development version of Ubuntu my 1050 Ti do not seem to work,whereas it is in the list of supported hardware on the nouveau website https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/CodeNames/#nv130familypascal and some people have made benchmark with it on linux at phoronix and I saw tutorials explaining how to install proprietary drivers. I just want to be able to boot in Ubuntu with this card installed.
[20:08] <ldsh> Does anybody have an idea of what to do?
[20:09] <koroso> hey ioria
[20:09] <ioria> koroso, what's up ?
[20:10] <koroso> when my system started it's automatically on ethernet
[20:10] <koroso> i'm fine and u?
[20:11] <koroso> i want to configure it on wlan
[20:11] <ioria> koroso, i'm ok, tx.... and you want to autostart wifi instead ?
[20:11] <pac1> I'm having trouble getting a library in /usr/local/lib to be recognized using ldconfig.  just running ldconfig does not add it to the cache.  I've looked online for information about this and the directions say to just run ldconfig.  I'm assuming that may not be enough.  Anyone have a clue as to what I'm missing?
[20:11] <koroso> yes thats right
[20:12] <koroso> i'm on lubuntu desktop now ;)*
[20:12] <ioria> koroso, ok, right-click on Network icon and choose 'Edit Connections' then edit again on your wifi connection , go in General  Tab and select autostart
[20:12] <ldsh> koroso, TLP allows to configure this kind of thing (and many other): http://linrunner.de/en/tlp/tlp.html
[20:13] <BluesKaj> ldsh,  by development version do you mean ubuntu 17.04 , if so ask in #ubuntu+1
[20:13] <ioria> koroso, 'Atuomatically connect when available .... "
[20:14] <koroso> ok thank u ;) problem solved
[20:14] <ioria> koroso, good guy
[20:15] <ldsh> BluesKaj, By dev version I mean that I tried to use the most up to date possibility (so yes, 17.04) because I couldn't boot with the last release. So my problem is not specific to the dev version.
[20:15] <ldsh> I did just hope the dev one could solve the issue.
[20:16] <ldsh> But I would clearly prefer to work on release (16.10)
[20:18] <marco__> ciao a tutti
[20:18] <Bashing-om> ldsh: Try with the recommended driver ? http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/111596/en-us . The 375 version is availabale in out trusted PPA .
[20:19] <koroso> ioria an other problem ;) what is the command on terminale to install .tar.gz
[20:19] <koroso> i_ try sudo alien
[20:19] <koroso> -k
[20:19] <koroso> but it doesnt work
[20:19] <mochaMan> can NetworkManager (in 16.04 if it matters) activate both a wired and a wireless connection at the same time? or do I need to do this without NetworkManager?
[20:19] <ioria> koroso, ta.gz is an archive (bunch of files) not installable per se
[20:19] <ldsh> Bashing-om, How do I install it when either the card is not installed, ether I can't boot?
[20:20] <koroso> okkk
[20:20] <ioria> koroso, tar.gz is just an archive
[20:20] <Bashing-om> !nomodeset | ldsh
[20:20] <koroso> which extension i can install so ?
[20:21] <ioria> koroso,  you decompress it with tar -zxvf gile.tar.gz, maybe in a new directory thats all
[20:21] <ioria> koroso,  you install with apt-get install ( or if you know the risks with sudo dpkg -i)
[20:22] <Jordan_U> koroso: There is no standard way to install that will work for all tar.gz files. They are archives that can contain any contents, they are not packages. What are you actually trying to install?
[20:22] <ldsh> Bashing-om, Ok, so I remove the card, change the boot option, than reboot with the card. I go try this. Do you advise to have the screen plugged to the motherboard or the graphic card?
[20:22] <ioria> koroso,   but with .deb packages
[20:22] <koroso> yes i unzipped it then i just have to launch install file
[20:23] <koroso> kk
[20:23] <ioria> koroso,   be warned of the risks , you can break your system
[20:23] <koroso> i'm discovering ubuntu and info
[20:23] <koroso> ok ioria
[20:24] <ioria> koroso,   l/ubuntu  is ok as far as you don't mess with it
[20:24] <BluesKaj> ldsh, have you checked ubuntu-restricted drivers in 16.10 ?
[20:25] <davis> did something change recently regarding apt for security.ubuntu.com?
[20:25] <ldsh> BluesKaj, yes
[20:26] <davis> i'm trying to do apt update and its not responding
[20:26] <koroso> i will take care
[20:26] <koroso> :)
[20:26] <marco__> ciao a tutti
[20:26] <ioria> koroso,   good
[20:26] <BluesKaj> ldsh, and what was the recommended driver there?
[20:26] <Bashing-om> ldsh: Card monitor connected to the installed card, sos ystem detects . bot with the nomodeset boot parameter and install the PPA source , update the system to pick up this new source, install the driver .. and finally upgrade the system .
[20:26] <Jordan_U> koroso: No. Don't try to do anything with the tar.gz file yet. What are you actually trying to install?
[20:27] <koroso> i want to learn more about network ;)
[20:27] <koroso> it's ok jordan ioria has already answer me
[20:28] <koroso> can  u give me an advise to for it?
[20:28] <ldsh> BluesKaj, No drivers as I can't go to there with the card installed by now. So when I can access it, I'm with intel chipset
[20:29] <koroso> website for newbe
[20:29] <ioria> koroso,  http://linux-training.be/linuxnet.pdf
[20:29] <BluesKaj> ok , ldsh so you're running a hybrid gpu system ?
[20:29] <marco__> ciao
[20:30] <koroso> thank u :)
[20:31] <ldsh> BluesKaj, I was running with the chipset (integrated on the CPU) for some times before I got the new GPU.
[20:31] <Jordan_U> koroso: Is there a reason you are refusing to tell us what you're trying to install? Installing from tar.gz is rarely a good idea. You should try to stick to getting your software from the default repositories, possibly using ppas if needed, possibly .deb files if you're desparate and tar.gz files only if you have a compelling reason to do that instead of any of the former.
[20:31] <koroso> no lol it's just a software
[20:31] <koroso> for programming in python
[20:31] <ioria> yeah, that's usually
[20:31] <koroso> wingkdr
[20:31] <BluesKaj> ldsh, then you have to set the nvidia card/pci-e as default gpu/graphics in the uefi/BIOS
[20:32] <ioria> koroso,  no, please python is crucial on ubuntu :þ
[20:33] <koroso> ok ok :)
[20:33] <Bashing-om> ldsh: Did you change in bios for the new card ?
[20:33] <ldsh> BluesKaj, I did it. This was needed to access the bios (And I gess to work under Windows)
[20:33] <koroso> ^^ and linux using terminale for newbe do u have any doc about it ?
[20:34] <Jordan_U> koroso: Googling "wingkdr python" isn't showing any reasonable looking results. Is the software really named wingkdr?
[20:34] <Pici> Jordan_U: maybe wingIDE
[20:35] <ioria> !terminal | koroso
[20:36] <ioria> koroso,  is wingIDE as Pici said ?
[20:37] <koroso> yes
[20:37] <koroso> lol
[20:37] <ioria> koroso,  so, you can use .deb package ...
[20:37] <ioria> koroso,  the first on the list
[20:38] <koroso> ok thank u i will download .deb
[20:38] <ldsh> Bashing-om, I did add the nomodeset then update-grub, shutdown, set the GPU, plugged the hdmi to the gpu, than boot, it goes trough the bios and grub (it always did after I set the bios to use first pci-e), and it get stuck on something like /dev/nvme0n1p2: clean, numbers/numbers files, numbers/numbers blocks
[20:38] <ldsh> (the strange dev name is because the OS is on a nvme ssd)
[20:38] <ioria> koroso,  but geany can do the job (almost)
[20:39] <BluesKaj> ldsh, have you seen this?  http://tipsonubuntu.com/2016/11/19/nvidia-375-20-released-x-org-1-19-support-ubuntu-ppa/
[20:39] <koroso> geany ;) ok i will do research about it
[20:39] <ioria> koroso,  after the download , double-click on it
[20:39] <ldsh> BluesKaj, Yes, but I first need to boot with nouveau in order to do such.
[20:40] <ioria> koroso,  30 days of trial though
[20:43] <BluesKaj> ldsh, can you get to a login with nomodeset?
[20:43] <BluesKaj> !nomodeset | ldsh
[20:44] <ldsh> BluesKaj, Nope, I have the message I wrote to Bashing-om . I try to reboot in case
[20:44] <Bashing-om> ldsh: nvme devices I have no experience with .. All I know is that it should work now in 16.04 and above // You may have more at play here than graphics .
[20:45] <ldsh> But I have access  to tty2
[20:45] <ldsh> yes, the nvme did work fine. I don't think it creates a problem now
[20:46] <BluesKaj> ldsh, then sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade , then sudo apt install nvidia-375
[20:46] <Bashing-om> ldsh: Agreed, if you can reach a TTY .. the device is recognized and we can focus on a graphic's driver .
[20:47] <ldsh> Yes, that's what I'm thinkinf about ;)
[20:47] <ldsh> g
[20:48] <BluesKaj> ldsh, read my post above
[20:48] <Bashing-om> ldsh: K, any return from ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' ? As we prepare to install a driver .
[20:51] <ldsh> Seems I only have nvidia 304 as up to date, so I'll have to install the ppa
[20:51] <cheil> hello
[20:52] <BluesKaj> oh yeah forgot you needed the ppa for that driver, ldsh oops , my mistake , sorry
[20:52] <Adriannom> Hi. Using XFCE, I select a wifi network on NetworkManager, it tries to connect, then says "Disconnected - you are now offline". It DOESN'T ask for password. Other devices and ubuntu machines get a password prompt as expected and can connect fine. Help?
[20:53] <ldsh> Bashing-om, yes, the command return only the 304.132 . I go for the ppa
[20:54] <Bashing-om> ldsh: For that card you will require a later driver -- nVidia recommends the 375 version . ONLY one driver at a time can be installed . will have to purge that 304 driver prior to installing another .
[20:55] <BluesKaj> usually when nvidia drivers are installed the currentr driver is removed , shouldn't have to purge
[20:56] <ldsh> Bashing-om, It told me it was removing the 304 when doing a apt install nvidia-375
[20:56] <ldsh> But I was surprised doing update did not update from 304 to 375 (I did install first with nvidia-current)
[20:58] <ldsh> So it's installing now. Should I remove the nomodeset? (and put it back in case it do not work)
[20:58] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-current xenial
[20:59] <ldsh> rebooting
[21:00] <Bashing-om> ldsh: If you set nomodeset from the grub command line ..it is then a one time thing and will not carry over a reboot .
[21:00] <ldsh> And loggin prompt!
[21:00] <BluesKaj> odd that the nvidia-367 driver wasn't default for that card
[21:00] <Adriannom> Anyone?
[21:00] <ldsh> Bashing-om, I don't really know what this option does and if this should be removed if possible, or kept without worry
[21:01] <joeblow> Hi there.   I am having an issue where I cannot boot to the Ubuntu Desktop 64 bit 16.10 cd (or a USB stick) on my PC.   Can anyone help?
[21:01] <joeblow> I have tried with secure boot disabled, fast boot disabled, and intel rst disabled.
[21:02] <ldsh> Bashing-om, blueskSeems to work now :)
[21:02] <joeblow> I either get a hard lock with a black screen (keyboard lights solid and unresponsive) with USB,  or a repeated reboot when booting from DVD
[21:02] <Bashing-om> ldsh: nomodeset disables Kernel Mode setting and forces to use of the fall back graphic's driver in your case .
[21:02] <ldsh> BluesKaj, *
[21:02] <A124> How do I force new mysql install?
[21:03] <joeblow> My motherboard is an Asus Maximus Ranger III with an intel skylave processor
[21:03] <A124> I mean I removed the var/lib but then new install does not ask for spassword and does not create root user
[21:04] <joeblow> sorry thats a maximus ranger viii
[21:05] <compdoc> you removed /var/lib?
[21:05] <joeblow> I can boot other UEFI disks successfully (OSX/Chameleon, Windows 10, SteamOS),  just not ubuntu
[21:05] <ldsh> joeblow, I did not try with DVD, but I had that motherboard and it was booting fine with live USB
[21:06] <joeblow> ldsh,  yeah,  I was afraid it was a corrupt image,  but I redownloaded it multiple times and its the same image
[21:06] <Adriannom> No one knows about NetworkManager?
[21:06] <OerHeks> joeblow, any overclocking set on that mobo?
[21:06] <ldsh> Bashing-om, I removed the nomodeset and it still booting fine :)
[21:07] <joeblow> It was overclocked,  and I set everything down to stock defaults.   I still see the same behavior
[21:07] <ldsh> Bashing-om, BluesKaj thanks for your help :)
[21:08] <compdoc> Adriannom, I never install it because I dont need it. but whats the problem?
[21:10] <Adriannom> Using XFCE, I select a wifi network on NetworkManager, it tries to connect, then says "Disconnected - you are now offline". It DOESN'T ask for password. Other devices and ubuntu machines get a password prompt as expected and can connect fine.
[21:10] <Bashing-om> ldsh: To make sure that you are no longer using that boot parameter ' cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep "Kernel command line:" ' .
[21:12] <Adriannom> compdoc: this is a new one on me, the pc is going to be used by muggles so I need NM to be working
[21:14] <compdoc> Adriannom, is XFCE your only desktop?
[21:16] <Adriannom> compdoc: yup
[21:17] <A124> how to force package reconfigure for mysql to create root user etc?
[21:17] <compdoc> Adriannom, I dont know how you put that system together, but why not just boot the ubuntu desktop without installing, and see how it's supposed to work?
[21:17] <Adriannom> Syslog says: wlp9s0 state change failed, reason "none"
[21:18] <Adriannom> compdoc: it was working fine before :/
[21:18] <b00b00> hello
[21:18] <compdoc> ahh
[21:19] <Adriannom> Oh, it also says wlp9s0 failed to initiate shed scan
[21:19] <compdoc> there an option to forget the connection, so you can set it up again?
[21:19] <Adriannom> Tried that
[21:19] <compdoc> lspci shows the wlp9s0?
[21:20] <A124> Useless channel as always
[21:20] <Adriannom> It shows the wireless network controller
[21:20] <compdoc> still named wlp9s0?
[21:21] <Adriannom> Nope, it just has a description
[21:21] <ldsh> Bashing-om, The nomodeset is not present in the return of the command.
[21:21] <Adriannom> Network controller: Intel corporation wireless 3160 (rev 93)
[21:21] <ldsh> So that should be good
[21:22] <b00b00> i wrote a script that analyze log stardate+timestamp<--->enddate+timestamp, all works fine, but the problem i ran into is like if timestamp not exist log, then i have nothing in return since value not exist, is there a good way to handle such case in bash? like if i use timestamp="2016-11-10 00:00" so if "00:00" not exist script will try from "00:01" or in case of "00", will try "01" (hours
[21:22] <b00b00> case), thanks
[21:22] <Bashing-om> ldsh: Good ,, should now be good to go .. hapy trails to you :)
[21:22] <compdoc> Adriannom, three should be a lof showing driver errors. maybe dmesg?
[21:22] <compdoc> *log
[21:23] <b00b00> i want to avoid extra loops and so, so asking if there is "well known solution" for such case
[21:24] <b00b00> i prefer for some reason bash in that case, so please not Python me :)
[21:25] <Adriannom> compdoc: bunch of stuff, standing out we have "link is not ready" and "deauthenticated from <mac address?> reason: 15=4WAY_HANDSHAKE_TIMEOUT
[21:26] <bittin> popey or anyone else here that can edit the Ubuntu wiki?
[21:26] <Adriannom> "
[21:26] <bittin> guess it should be 2016 and 2017 here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZestyZapus/ReleaseSchedule
[21:26] <bittin> and not 2013 and 2014 :p
[21:27] <compdoc> Adriannom, possible one of the little antenna connections is undone or unscrewed? tried power cycling the wap?
[21:29] <root____5> test
[21:29] <OerHeks> bittin, good find!
[21:30] <root____5> Hey, people.
[21:30] <bittin> OerHeks: heh yeah :p
[21:30] <Adriannom> compdoc, maybe but it's a laptop. Nope but same error vs other nearby secured access points
[21:30] <harveyc> hello everyone from manchester
[21:30] <Bashing-om> root____5: Not a good practice to run an IRC ckent as "root" huge security hole .
[21:31] <root____5> Yeah, Hi. Hello everyone from Baku
[21:32] <Adriannom> compdoc: I'm going to find an ethernet port and see if reinstalling network manager helps
[21:34] <tolecnal> I'm trying to delay the start of the daemon process LCDd, so I first used: 'update-rc.d LCDd remove', followed by 'update-rc.d LCDd defaults 10 10' to have it with a lower priority. However, when I look at the symlinks created in rc2.d/ -> rc5.d/, they are all listed as 'S03LCDd', meaning it doesn't respect my custom values. This is under 16.04LTS. I haven't used 16.04 that much, but used update-rc.d quit
[21:34] <tolecnal> e a bit under 12.04 and 14.04 without ...
[21:34] <tolecnal> ... issues, is this dealt with differently from 16.04 and onwards?
[21:34] <davis> on ubuntu, do you use ethtool or nm to change settings for autonegotiate, 1000mb, full duplex?  I'm trying to modify via ethtool and it does not ocmpleain but afterwards when I query the interface it is still set for autonegotiate
[21:35] <davis> nm-connection-editor does not show any ui for mondifying these settings
[21:35] <davis> but I also don't know where to put them so they stick after reboot
[21:35] <Bashing-om> tolecnal: Short response is yes .. 16.04 is now systemd rather than upstart.
[21:36] <Bashing-om> tolecnal: To convert from upstart to systemd see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers .
[21:40] <tolecnal> Bashing-om: thanks, much appreciated
[21:44] <Bashing-om> tolecnal: Well .. at leat point ya in the right direction, though no direct help :)
[21:44] <alex123> Hi what is the PPA for Barry: http://www.netdirect.ca/software/packages/barry/installdebian.php
[21:45] <tolecnal> Bashing-om: hehe, I don't think I'll bother with rewriting it just as of yet. I think I'll rather just rename the symlinks manually :) less work.
[21:46] <debkad> alex123: try the deb from here https://sourceforge.net/projects/barry/files/barry/
[21:46] <Bashing-om> tolecnal: I am all for "less work" .
[21:46] <alex123> debkad, thanks :)
[21:46] <tolecnal> Bashing-om: had it been for work, I'd put more effort into it. This however is for my HTPC at home, so not really that critical.
[21:46] <Pici> alex123: it looks like the barry packages are in the Ubuntu repos, no need for a PPA
[21:47] <Pici> (oh, nevermind, they were removed)
[21:47] <malkauns> is there a way to resize a Xephyr window on the fly?
[21:47] <DBSNode> NO
[21:47] <DBSNode> forget it
[21:47] <DBSNode> you can't
[21:47] <alex123> Pici and debkad, appreciate  your help :D
[21:47] <debkad> No problem :)
[21:49] <malkauns> lol thx
[21:50] <malkauns> can u move an app window between different Xephyr window sessions?
[21:54] <Marku> TiCPU: and others I finally fixed it..  i had to select the efi in ubuntu within the bios security tab... thanks for helping me
[21:57] <debkad> malkauns: i don't know about Xephyr, but may be xdotool can have some useful task that you can use with Xephyr
[21:57] <malkauns> hmm
[21:58] <malkauns> was thinking even maybe Xephyr combined with Xpra
[21:59] <debkad> malkauns: here is someone have something related to Xephyr and he used xdotool http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/186273/emulate-key-combination-with-xdotool ( as a hint )
[21:59] <malkauns> k, thx will read
[22:01] <wirebrush456> fghf
[22:01] <wirebrush456> ah i can talk
[22:02] <debkad> congratulation wirebrush456
[22:02] <wirebrush456> clones eh
[22:03] <wirebrush456> clones allowed?
[22:03] <debkad> ?
[22:03] <debkad> many nicks?
[22:03] <wirebrush456> ya
[22:03] <debkad> 3 i think
[22:04] <wirebrush456> [22:02] Clones detected in ##linux: ngkaho1234 ngkaho1234_phone (*!*@unaffiliated/ngkaho1234)
[22:04] <nacc> wirebrush456: asking that question sort of implies you are not here for the right reason ...
[22:04] <debkad> anyway it depends on rules i guess
[22:05] <wirebrush456> i am just randomly clicking the mirc servers to be honest
[22:05] <Jordan_U> wirebrush456: Please take offtopic chatter elsewhere to keep this channel clear for Ubuntu support.
[22:05] <nacc> wirebrush456: don't do that.
[22:05] <wirebrush456> this server is massive huh
[22:05] <wirebrush456> ok
[22:06] <wirebrush456> sorry
[22:06] <wirebrush456> thousands of people man
[22:06] <nacc> wirebrush456: please stay on topic, the size of the channel is irrelevant
[22:06] <wirebrush456> ok
[22:08] <wirebrush456> well i was thinking of getting an old laptop and putting some linux on it
[22:10] <mpak> hi
[22:16] <Bashing-om> wirebrush456: Old hardware generally == (l)ubuntu in this channel .
[22:17] <malkauns> nacc, please stay on topic, the fact that he is talking about the size of the channel is irrelevant :P
[22:18] <wirebrush456> we are the borg you will be assimilated the size of the channel is irrelevant
[22:18] <fooobarrr> oh nice there's an airgas right near my work
[22:18] <slavanap> Does current Ubuntu kernel supports auditd (auditctl) or what is alternatives?
[22:19] <winsen> hi all
[22:19] <winsen> I need to change grub boot order, can you tell me which number I should use to make windows7 first, I don't understand  the 2 first lines :https://paste.debian.net/897848/
[22:19] <malkauns> fooobarrr, airgas is irrelevant
[22:20] <slavanap> winsen, why you want to make Windows first? Just google grub save state. It will resolve almost all issues with OS loading.
[22:21] <debkad> winsen: you can rename /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober to /etc/grub.d/06_os-prober or /etc/grub.d/07_os-prober or /etc/grub.d/09_os-prober and update grub
[22:21] <Jordan_U> debkad: winsen: Don't do that.
[22:22] <Jordan_U> winsen: Use GRUB_DEFAULT='osprober-chain-6C262A14372B6B22' in /etc/default/grub to make Windows the default entry.
[22:22] <slavanap> winsen, http://askubuntu.com/questions/148662/how-to-get-grub2-to-remember-last-choice
[22:22] <debkad> Jordan_U: what's wrong with that?
[22:22] <Jordan_U> debkad: It will cause problems when the grub-common package gets updated with changes to /etc/grub.d/ .
[22:23] <slavanap> Does anyone know about auditctl?
[22:23] <debkad> i never had an issue with that methode .. may be things changed
[22:23] <slavanap> I want to log all network outgoing connections on my system. What I should use?
[22:25] <L0g4nAd4ms> OMG why is that that I have to make eclipse use GTK 2 because the default value 3 will hang my system ?
[22:25] <L0g4nAd4ms> http://askubuntu.com/questions/761604/eclipse-not-working-in-16-04 ?
[22:27] <Adriannom> compdoc: I've run out of time for today but thanks for your help :)
[22:28] <compdoc> Adriannom, you should still boot the desktop
[22:28] <compdoc> to see if the hardware is good
[22:28] <compdoc> *ubuntu desktop
[22:28] <Jordan_U> L0g4nAd4ms: Because this bug hasn't been fixed yet: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/java-common/+bug/1552764 If you'd like help working around the bug we can do that here, but if you're just here to complain about it not being fixed please move that to #ubuntu-offtopic or elsewhere.
[22:29] <Adriannom> compdoc: loaded windows and it worked fine
[22:29] <compdoc> ok. good luck
[22:29] <Adriannom> Thanks :)
[22:30] <slavanap> compdoc, have you ever used auditctl or alternatives?
[22:30] <compdoc> slavanap, no
[22:31] <L0g4nAd4ms> Jordan_U, why is  that that on a LTS version shit aint stable ?
[22:32] <slavanap> oh, it still supported although description references 2.6 kernel.
[22:32] <slavanap> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/30046/logging-outgoing-connections-as-they-happen
[22:33] <Jordan_U> L0g4nAd4ms: That isn't a support question. Again, this channel is for support only. If you want to discuss why things are the way they are, or rant about your problems, please do so elsewhere.
[22:35] <cnidarian_king> hello
[22:36] <L0g4nAd4ms> Jordan_U, ok well then.
[22:36] <L0g4nAd4ms> i think this just a serious problem.
[22:40] <supercooluser> does anyone know where git puts the gitignore file?? i just installed git and am looking for the gitignore file.
[22:40] <supercooluser> er sorry, the .gitconfig file
[22:40] <nacc> supercooluser: um, that's in the repository, generally
[22:41] <nacc> supercooluser: oh, .git/config or ~/.gitconfig, etc.
[22:41] <nacc> supercooluser: it's not present by default, if that's what you're asking?
[22:41] <supercooluser> nacc, i want the global one so i can declare aliases that will be used in all my repositories
[22:41] <nacc> supercooluser: that's most appropriate to put in ~/.gitconfig
[22:42] <nacc> supercooluser: note that you sholnd't even need that level of knowledge, though
[22:42] <nacc> supercooluser: use `git config --global ...`
[22:42] <nacc> supercooluser: or `git config --system ...` if you insist, but if they are only needed for your user's repos, then the former is better, IMO
[22:43] <supercooluser> naac, information overload. i think i got it though
[22:43] <supercooluser> ill try both
[22:43] <supercooluser> git installed in /usr/bin. so do i put the .gitignore file there?
[22:44] <nacc> supercooluser: no
[22:44] <Sean_McG> hi, how do I properly bump the package version of a kernel when I am building it with custom patches? Is it determined from debian.<release>/changelog?
[22:45] <nacc> supercooluser: perhaps read `man git-config`, but you want to put it in ~/.gitconfig, a file called .gitconfig in your home directory (or just use `git config --global`)
[22:46] <Sean_McG> basically I patched a kernel I got from 'apt-get source $(uname -r)' and ran 'fakeroot debian/rules binary-headers binary-generic' and the package name matched my currently running kernel which is not what I want
[22:46] <nacc> Sean_McG: you should do a `dch -i` before building
[22:46] <nacc> Sean_McG: to add a changelog entry
[22:46] <Sean_McG> OK
[22:47] <nacc> Sean_McG: but that won't necessarily bump your version 'correctly', it depends on what you are doing and what you want
[22:47] <supercooluser> naac, thank you
[22:48] <Sean_McG> I just want to prevent apt-get from offering me the kernel I had before. I understand that when the external repos bump the package I will have to re-do mine but that is fine.
[22:48] <Sean_McG> I'm currently on trusty, but I've switched to kernel 4.4.0 for the HWE update earlier this year.
[22:50] <vfw> Sean_McG: You can blacklist kernel upgrades.
[22:50] <hunter07> hello buddies
[22:51] <tak3d0wn> hello
[22:51] <hunter07> how are you today ?
[22:51] <tak3d0wn> doing fine. youself?
[22:51] <hunter07> nice to meet you i'm indonesian, and i use ths hex chat with
[22:51] <hunter07> gnome
[22:51] <tgm4883> !OT
[22:52] <Sean_McG> vfw: that's with 'dpkg --set-selection' ? Not a bad idea, but first I have to fix my local versioning issue
[22:53] <hunter07> ada orang indonesia ?
[22:54] <OerHeks> bittin, it is changed.
[22:54] <hunter07> jancok aku bingung cok nang kene
[22:54] <hunter07> wassu tenan terahe
[22:57] <tgm4883> Sean_McG: If you are just doing it for yourself, the version could look any way you want. What you'll probably want to do though is something like this   4.8.0-20.22+seanmcg
[22:59] <Sean_McG> tgm4883: cheers, will try that
[23:03] <Sean_McG> 8-core i7 and this still takes a while to build
[23:08] <krad_> huh
[23:12] <nds_> if i upgraded to yakkety correctly, am i mean to get updates from both yakkety in release and xenial in release?
[23:12] <genii> No, just Yakkety
[23:15] <nds_> ok, i had som trouble with a bug during the recommended update-manager, but with dist upgrade and install -f i have upgraded many packets and the kernel is on 4.8. should i manually edit the /etc/lsb-release to yakkety?
[23:15] <Sean_McG> I should plan to upgrade to xenial soon... maybe during the Christmas break when I have the time
[23:16] <Bashing-om> nds_: Have you rebooted since ?
[23:16] <nds_> hm, once. btw, now the gui-updater added xenial to sources.list, i should just delete that line right? i have 5 lines for yakkety there
[23:16] <genii> nds_: dist-upgrade will only upgrade applications over major releases and kernels. To go to a new *buntu ditribution is normally do-release-upgrade
[23:17] <nds_> ok
[23:18] <Jordan_U> nds_: Don't do anything more until we're more clear what the current state of your installation is.
[23:18] <nds_> sure
[23:18] <Jordan_U> nds_: How did you attempt to upgrade, and what exactly happened?
[23:18] <Bashing-om> nds_: Also, your sources.list file controls what repo you are accessing . have a look at /etc/apt/sources.list to see what release you are working with at this time .
[23:20] <nds_> i dont remember every permutation of commands i ran, but i tried doing it accordingly to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseNotes but it crashed due to some crash related to python2.7 float unicode something
[23:20] <nds_> mid install, after that i tried running it in some other ways, like do-release-upgrade but they all failed
[23:20] <hello> hi there
[23:21] <nds_> at one point my repos was pointed to 17.04, then i deleted sources.list
[23:21] <nds_> at some point i was able to do apt install -f to be able to do apt dist-upgrade which ran for a long time and pretty much fixed everything, it installed 4.8
[23:22] <nds_> and now im here, many packets, like apt, is on a much higher version than on my old 16.04
[23:22] <nds_> but the gui-menu says 16.04 and my /etc/lsb.. says 16.04
[23:22] <nds_> i maybe ran do-release-upgrade after dist-upgrade, but then it didnt take effect
[23:22] <nds_> hm
[23:23] <nds_> should i run some command to give you a summary of my state?
[23:25] <Bashing-om> nds_: In my mind 1st is to look at the sources.list . pastebin ' cat -n /etc/apt/sources.list ' . so we know what we are working with and toward .
[23:26] <Bashing-om> !paste | nds_
[23:27] <Sean_McG> what the... I did a 'fakeroot debian/rules clean' and I think it smoked my changelog changes
[23:29] <nds_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23519513/
[23:30] <nds_> i manually deleted the xenial lines the "Software & Updates" GUI added when i checked boxes for updates (they say for example "xenial-security" so i expected it to happen)
[23:35]  * Sean_McG aways for food -- thanks for the hints
[23:35] <Bashing-om> nds_: Will have to work on your sources.list file ( get restricted and multiverse back ) but for now .. what results ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ' ?
[23:38] <nds_> result, held back: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23519537/
[23:38] <nds_> kept back* :)
[23:40] <genii> nds_: use dist-upgrade instead of just upgrade
[23:41] <nds_> same result
[23:41] <nds_> i could paste it but i see that its exactly the same
[23:41] <Bashing-om> nds_: Now-a-days .. ' sudo apt full-upgrade ' is prefered over the apt-get dist-upgrade . May as well learn the new .
[23:42] <nds_> ty, yeah :) i dont even know the old, it is awesome to learn what the commands really do
[23:42] <nds_> same result again
[23:43] <nds_> is it because i have yakk in sources.list but my system think its on xenial?
[23:44] <Bashing-om> nds_: Do not know yet .. please pastebin the result of ' sudo apt full-upgrade ' . Let all see what you are looking at .
[23:45] <nds_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23519566/
[23:46] <Bashing-om> !info cpp-5
[23:48] <Bashing-om> nds_: Does not bode well, huh ? .. what returns ' apt-cache policy cpp-5 ' for a point of reference .
[23:49] <nds_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23519589/
[23:50] <nds_> ah now when i read the packages names.. theyre important
[23:54] <Bashing-om> genii: nds_ Not real sure of a best paractice here .. maybe best to fix the sources.list file before trying to --reinstall the held packages ??
[23:55] <nds_> should i remove the yakkety, let the "Software & Updates" GUI fill it with rows when i check the checkboxes?
[23:55] <nds_> what would do-release-upgrade do here
[23:58] <Bashing-om> nds_: All indications are presently that you are on yakkety . As such leave yakketty sources .. as to "do-release-upgrade" that is to go to the next release .. as of now there is no next in line .


[06:21] <joelesko> chrisccoulson:
[11:57] <Pieplay> the daily build ppa is for testing only, Where do I find the stable ppa ?
[12:08] <micahg> Pieplay: see /topic?
[18:47] <FernandoMiguel> evening
[18:48] <FernandoMiguel> micahg: chrisccoulson: any idea why chromium is asking for keychain password?
[18:48] <FernandoMiguel> I had users reporting this several weeks ago
[18:49] <FernandoMiguel> but it started happening to me last week
[19:14] <micahg> FernandoMiguel: starting with m12, there was proper gnome-keyring integration
[19:25] <FernandoMiguel> micahg: so, how do I "fix" this?
[19:38] <chrisccoulson> FernandoMiguel, set your keyring password to the same as your login one?
[19:38] <chrisccoulson> the login keyring should be unlocked when you start your session
[19:39] <FernandoMiguel> chrisccoulson: it is
[19:39] <FernandoMiguel> some where along the devel cycle, Ubuntu changed it
[19:39] <FernandoMiguel> twicce
[19:39] <FernandoMiguel> from one that wasn't to the same
[19:40] <FernandoMiguel> even after I change it LOL


[13:20] <superxgl> hi all, is there anyone who are using Apache Whirr?
[13:55] <superxgl> and where to download hadoop AMI ?
[21:49] <boozee> hello
[21:52] <boozee> I have an ubuntu server on EC2, and I need to have a user which will only have access to by sftp. I've created such user, restricted his sftp sessions to his home directory (via vsftpd), set his bash to /bin/false so he won't be able to ssh in, but I can't connect with it via sftp, as I keep getting the
[21:52] <boozee> Permission denied (publickey).
[21:52] <boozee> Connection closed
[21:52] <boozee> messages. How can I allow that user (and only that user) to login with a password and without a certificate file ?
[22:38] <boozee> http://serverfault.com/questions/231579/how-do-i-set-up-an-sftp-user-to-login-with-a-password-to-an-ec2-ubuntu-server


[00:01] <motobot> Where do I find the configuration on my RPi to make it accessible from a terminal on my PC?
[00:01] <motobot> Right now I cannot connect
[00:11] <motobot> I'm looking at firewall settings at the moment. I think this may do it
[00:14] <ubuntu-mate> hi, I can't boot in to any OS including mate which created the boot menu which is now gone after a big gaming overload crash in windows
[00:14] <ubuntu-mate> I am on a Live CD and would like to at least find the Mate Installation
[00:31] <roberto_> Good night
[00:31] <motobot> not sure if a restart is required to enable the firewall settings
[00:31] <motobot> g'nite roberto
[00:32] <roberto_> ;]
[00:33] <roberto_> motobot, do you know customize color clock in Ubuntu Mate?
[00:35] <deskwizard> ubuntu-mate: if I understand you corrently you wnat to apt-get boot-repair (or something like that)
[00:35] <deskwizard> that should get the system up, but your partitions should still show up when booted on the livecx
[00:35] <ubuntu-mate> yes
[00:35] <deskwizard> s/livecx/livecd
[00:36] <ubuntu-mate> they do
[00:37] <deskwizard> sorry mate, I must be missing something here... quite not sober either so not really helping hehehe
[00:37] <ubuntu-mate> can I do that from this live CD?
[00:37] <deskwizard> ubuntu-mate: depends what THAT is :P help me a bit here :P
[00:38] <ubuntu-mate> so that it will re-create the boot menu on power up - apt get boot-repair
[00:38] <ubuntu-mate> is what I am talking about
[00:38] <ubuntu-mate> is there such a thing?
[00:38] <deskwizard> ubuntu-mate: mkay, yeah you can install it on the livecd once its booted, apt-get it like usual
[00:39] <deskwizard> when you run it it should find your install and fix the boot meny
[00:39] <deskwizard> s/meny/menu
[00:39] <ubuntu-mate> thanks
[00:39] <roberto_> do you know customize color clock in Ubuntu Mate?
[00:39] <ubuntu-mate> nothing usual about me being in Ubuntu
[00:40] <deskwizard> ubuntu-mate: not as far as I'm aware
[00:40] <deskwizard> besides being, you know, cool 'cause not windows lol
[00:40] <deskwizard> but jokes aside, boot repair should do it for you, worked for me ;)
[00:42] <deskwizard> ubuntu-mate: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[00:44] <ubuntu-mate> Invalid operation boot-repair
[00:45] <deskwizard> sudo apt-get install boot-repaor
[00:45] <deskwizard> boot-repair*
[00:46] <ubuntu-mate> where will it install on a live boot?
[00:46] <deskwizard> ubuntu-mate: live file system, it'll be gone if you reboot the live cd, but we dont care since we only need it once :)
[00:47] <deskwizard> (unless you made your live media with persistance enabled yaddi-yadda)
[00:47] <deskwizard> but the last point remains ;)
[00:48] <ubuntu-mate> Unable to locate package boot-repair
[00:48] <ubuntu-mate> ubuntu-mate@ubuntu-mate:~$
[00:48] <ubuntu-mate> no I do not know what I am doing
[00:49] <deskwizard> more likely my fault, 1 sec
[00:49] <deskwizard> ah...
[00:50] <ubuntu-mate> I am old, sick and slow and so is my computer
[00:50] <deskwizard> go to the link I gave you earlier, the 2nd option will give you the commands you need to run
[00:50] <deskwizard> it's not in the ubuntu repository but in another ppa thats why it wouldnt find it
[00:50] <deskwizard> ubuntu-mate: makes 2 of us ;)
[00:51] <ubuntu-mate> I'm just glad to see something on the screen after days of nada
[00:51] <ubuntu-mate> the CD-rom would not even read a live CD before
[00:51] <ubuntu-mate> drive I mean
[00:51] <deskwizard> wow, thats quite the crash, even for windows hehehe
[00:52] <ubuntu-mate> well if they had Black Desert Online in Mate, I wouldn't be in windows
[00:52] <ubuntu-mate> anyway thanks for the link I will just slowly read and learn
[00:53] <deskwizard> no worries, there's a lot of text for the little you actually have to do hehehe
[00:53] <deskwizard> install package, run, click repair, reboot
[00:53] <deskwizard> TLDR version
[00:54] <deskwizard> hit me up if anything come up, I'll be around for a little while, my glass isn't empty yet :P
[00:54] <deskwizard> even more if you get it working, I don't care about the thank yous, just wanna help get stuff up
[00:55] <deskwizard> (there's a your mom joke in there)
[00:56] <ubuntu-mate> yes I will let you know if it worked and I appreciate the joke
[00:58] <deskwizard> cool :)
[01:07] <ubuntu-mate> it's running that's a good sign, it's scanning my installation, fingers crossed deskwizard
[01:07]  * deskwizard crosses fingers, eyes and toes
[01:08] <ubuntu-mate> lol
[01:08] <deskwizard> I had a "touching wood" joke as well but decided to let it slide lol
[01:08] <deskwizard> ubuntu-mate: I hope it'll work :)
[01:10] <ubuntu-mate> yeah let it slide, goodness knows how long this will take, it actually takes and hour to show up a menu on a windows repair usb and then it doesn't work
[01:10] <ubuntu-mate> my computer is so sick, no idea why it takes so long to do anything after a "click"
[01:11] <deskwizard> could be a lot of things, from a dusty cpu cooler to a dying power supply, or just being old like mines hehe
[01:13] <ubuntu-mate> windows 10 on a computer that did not come with it has a lot to answer for in terms of destruction
[01:14] <ubuntu-mate> anyway it's still scanning and I need breakfast
[01:14] <ubuntu-mate> so thanks for pointing me to the right place
[01:14] <deskwizard> np mate, glad I could be helpful
[01:14] <deskwizard> have a nice snack :)
[01:15] <ubuntu-mate> thumbs up
[01:40] <ubuntu-mate> =omg still scanning
[01:49] <ubuntu-mate> foiled again - GPT detected whatever that is - so why it find the bios-grub partition that was there before instead of making yet another partition?
[01:49] <ubuntu-mate> I mean, why didn't it find it?
[01:50] <ubuntu-mate> sudo apt-get install -y boot-repair && boot-repair
[02:12] <deskwizard> ubuntu-mate: uhm, strange
[11:07] <emre> eemre450
[11:49] <Kenzo> hello all
[11:50] <Kenzo> does anyone know how to download a public key? i'm trying to authorize the avast repository i just added but the pgp i need to add is just a jumble of alphanumerics on a webpage. not dowloadable.
[11:54] <Kenzo> no one?
[12:24] <Kenzo> hey guys, i've tried to add a pgp key and got the error "gpg: invalid armour header" any ideas what this might mean?
[12:25] <Astro7467> no instructions/info on the avast site?
[12:28] <Astro7467> see if this helps https://www.ghacks.net/2011/03/31/adding-missing-ppa-keys-to-an-apt-keyring/
[12:32] <Kenzo> none that are helpful unfortunately. thanks i'll check it out
[12:34] <Kenzo> i'm not sure where to go from there. i've created the key/pgp file from the appendix that avast pointed to i just don't know what's up with their headers
[12:35] <teward> Kenzo: is this for the Avast repository key, or no?
[12:35] <Kenzo> teward, yes is it
[12:36] <teward> Kenzo: ah, well it's not that hard heh.  First: wget http://files.avast.com/files/resellers/linux/avast.gpg
[12:36] <teward> second: `sudo apt-key add avast.gpg`
[12:36] <teward> (FWIW: https://support.business.avast.com/hc/en-us/articles/210816523-Avast-Installation-for-Ubuntu-Debian- plus personal knowledge is where this came from)
[12:36] <teward> note wget is a terminal command ;)
[12:37] <teward> and I had to go through this setting up Avast AV on a mail server so... :)
[12:37] <teward> (it's still working!  :D)
[12:38] <Kenzo> ah thanks, see i copied/pasted the key into a text file as the instructions on avast didn't mention wget. the i did the sudo apt-key add to the path of the key i saved
[12:38] <Kenzo> should that not work?
[12:39] <teward> Kenzo: *sometimes*?  But it's really odd when trying to pull from a web page - because your browser can screw things over.
[12:39] <teward> Kenzo: just wget the file instead of copy/pasting - it downloads the file instead of displaying it in your web browser without proper formatting.
[12:39] <teward> (they should be serving that as text/plain but they don't.)
[12:39] <Kenzo> i copied from their appendix on the last page
[12:39] <Kenzo> http://deb.avast.com/lin/doc/techdoc.pdf
[12:40] <teward> Kenzo: probably better to just pull from the file itself ;)
[12:41] <teward> besides, you're copying formatted text from a PDF - guarantee you there's extra control chars in there breaking the data in the armored text data.
[12:41] <Kenzo> yeah i think so! thanks teward :)
[12:42] <Kenzo> teward, do you know whether this will run well on a desktop? i'm not on a server
[13:04] <Kenzo> does anyone know whether it's ok to to run a server antivirus on a desktop/laptop
[13:05] <KTrad> What do you mean exactly?
[13:05] <KTrad> Like an antivirus designed for a linux server on your desktop, or run an antivirus server while also using it as your desktop
[13:06] <Kenzo> the former, antivirus designed for server to run on desktop
[13:07] <KTrad> should be fine
[13:08] <Kenzo> even without a gui?
[13:08] <KTrad> My question is why even run an antivirus on a linux box? It's just a desktop right? And you're not going to be sharing much files to OSX/Windows?
[13:10] <Kenzo> more of a safe than sorry situation. and if i move files from another pc via usb i'd like to know any nasties could be picked up.
[13:11] <KTrad> fair enough
[13:11] <ouroumov> Just so you know, people have reported problems with AVs on Ubuntu MATE.
[13:12] <Kenzo> ah really? anything in particular - false positives?
[13:12] <KTrad> Do you know which one specifically? And is it a MATE specific issue or Ubuntu as a whole?
[13:13] <ouroumov> Well, stuff like that: https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/caja-with-dropbox-antivirus-problem-infinite-starting-caja/7160
[13:14]  * KTrad waits for her powerbook to load
[13:14] <ouroumov> False positive breaking stuff is not an uniquely Linux issue
[13:16] <Kenzo> i'm hoping that the issue in that link is down to the specific programme not liking dropbox. which i don't use. i like a gui so this server antivirus might not be the one
[13:17] <KTrad> doesn't avast make a linux AV?
[13:17] <KTrad> Their windows offering isn't horrible. Might want to look at that
[13:18] <KTrad> though I have my servers using ClamAV
[13:18] <Kenzo> used to but i think they dropped support for it a while ago and focused on the server edition.
[13:18] <Kenzo> i'm going off this article http://www.networkworld.com/article/2989137/linux/av-test-lab-tests-16-linux-antivirus-products-against-windows-and-linux-malware.html
[13:18] <Kenzo> maybe sophos is my best bet
[13:18] <KTrad> Comodo and Sophos seem to be decently liked
[13:20] <Kenzo> comodo seemed not to perform well according to AV-Test which surprised me
[13:20] <KTrad> I personally don't use one
[13:21] <KTrad> so have not first hand experience
[13:21] <KTrad> that reminds me though I need to update my e-mail server
[15:30] <akuma> hi
[15:30] <alkisg> Hello
[15:30] <akuma> where are u?
[15:31] <akuma> cant access anything
[15:31] <akuma> thanks, China
[15:31] <akuma> anyone?
[15:32] <alkisg> This channel is for ubuntu questions
[15:32] <alkisg> Not for geography...
[15:32] <akuma> oh...
[15:32] <akuma> sorry
[15:32] <alkisg> np
[15:32] <akuma> how do I install things?
[15:32] <alkisg> You open software boutique from the menu
[15:33] <akuma> keeps giving me the message "failed to install packages"
[15:33] <alkisg> Open a terminal. Run this: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade. What's the output? Put it to paste.ubuntu.com.
[15:34] <akuma> I ran "sudo apt-get update", but it failed
[15:34] <alkisg> We need to see the output to know why it failed
[15:35] <akuma> 1 sec
[16:01] <elijah> hi
[16:32] <melih> sa
[17:42] <Kyros> what would be the easiest way to go about running telegram when I login?
[17:47] <pavlushka> Kyros: try session-manager
[17:49] <Kyros> you just made me realize i could add it to the startup apps
[17:49] <Kyros> which works
[20:21] <Kenzo> ouroumov, think you may have been right about antiviruses not playing nicely with ubuntu-mate. since installing sophos i've had to force shutdown my system because it just crashed :/
[20:22] <Kenzo> i've had to do that twice! not sure if merely coincidence
[20:33] <Kenzo> why is it that software updater doesn't want to update "X.Org X Window System"? it's always unchecked but still there
[22:10] <plaindave> I'm unable to turn on flash in Chromium. I d/l'd flash and tried to follow the instructions in readme.txt, but failed. Any help would be appreciated.


[00:38] <pursuivant> muon (master) v5.4.2-144-g3b0e2bb * Aleix Pol: discover/qml (4 files)
[00:38] <pursuivant> Fix issues pointed out by David
[00:38] <pursuivant> Change opacity when not hovered in application list delegate.
[00:38] <pursuivant> Improve title on Top lists.
[00:38] <pursuivant> Add a bit of a hover effect for the CategoriesView
[00:38] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/3b0e2bbc07375f038c498e2158eca28aa6d21995
[00:38] <pursuivant> muon (master) v5.4.2-145-g7381e5c * Aleix Pol: discover/qml/Breadcrumbs.qml
[00:38] <pursuivant> Make breadcrumbs method private
[00:38] <pursuivant> This way the file can be moved upstream without having weird public API
[00:38] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/7381e5c20fc4623b64540777b06c5c8887ca8cbc
[01:21] <pursuivant> muon (Plasma/5.4) v5.4.2-6-g3c1cccd * Aleix Pol: libmuon/backends/PackageKitBackend/PKTransaction.cpp
[01:21] <pursuivant> Fix package removal on PackageKit
[01:21] <pursuivant> Allow PackageKit to remove dependencies if necessary. Shouldn't be a
[01:21] <pursuivant> problem.
[01:21] <pursuivant> Fixes removal in Fedora (see bugs attached) and Archlinux.
[01:21] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/3c1cccdb7f9b0d53da3e2e22bfafe2cefd5fc577
[01:51] <pursuivant> muon (master) v5.4.2-147-gbbfcd18 * Aleix Pol: libmuon/backends/PackageKitBackend/PKTransaction.cpp
[01:51] <pursuivant> Merge branch 'Plasma/5.4'
[01:51] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/bbfcd184a0cd99897eea8a4345f50185573ba527
[08:54] <alvin> I'm trying to report a bug > $ ubuntu-bug kmail
[08:54] <alvin> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[08:55] <mparillo> Let's see if this helps.
[08:55] <mparillo> !bug
[08:56] <mparillo> Well, that is a little stale
[08:58] <alvin> Yes, there's no menu item in the help anymore. I'll have to do it manually. Actually I was counting on ubuntu-bug to tell me there were already lots of duplicates. (You can't erase or move mail in Kmail in Kubuntu 15.10)
[08:58] <yofel> try apport-cli
[08:58] <yofel> then we'll know if it's apport or the UI that crashes
[08:59] <yofel> actually, is there something apport related in /var/crash/ ?
[08:59] <alvin> yofel: Yes, there is
[09:00] <yofel> please report that using apport-cli
[09:00] <alvin> Wait. You mean the bug where ubuntu-bug crashes? Against what package?
[09:01] <yofel> just run apport-cli /var/crash/<crashfile>
[09:01] <yofel> unless that crashes as well
[09:20] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:29] <soee> hiho
[09:30] <clivejo> o/
[09:30] <alvin> Crashes too. Not visible. There's just nothing after pressing 'send'
[09:31] <soee> clivejo: any idea when your plasma-nm package will be in wily archive ?
[09:31] <clivejo> soee: sorry, no idea
[09:32] <clivejo> has to be approved, yofel said something about it being a week before it gets that far, all going well
[09:32] <soee> clivejo: ok, cool :-)
[09:33] <clivejo> soee: are you Polish?
[09:33] <soee> clivejo: sure
[09:34] <clivejo> would you be up for a translation of a project?
[09:35] <soee> clivejo: what project ? :-)
[09:40] <clivejo> soee: see PM
[11:19] <yofel> maxyz: the acc fix for allow-stderr needs to be in all repositories or just in the ones pitti found?
[11:21] <maxyz> yofel: I've ran that script in frameworks and applications, with a wrapper that commits the changes if any.
[11:23] <yofel> fair enough, thanks
[11:25] <maxyz> yofel: https://paste.debian.net/318520/
[11:26] <yofel> sweet, thanks!
[11:59] <clivejo> o/ @ maxyz
[12:02] <clivejo> Ive noticed that while in dolphin and menu clicking a photo to open it in GIMP, dolphin often crashes, anyone else seen this?  It appears to be random and doesnt happen everytime
[12:03] <maxyz> clivejo: Hi
[12:04] <clivejo> yesterday it was driving me mad crashing, yet today when I have time to investigate the issue it wont do it!
[12:04] <clivejo> hi maxyz, nice work in debian git :)
[12:10] <maxyz> clivejo: Mmh, can you reproduce the problem when you modify the file with gimp?
[12:24] <clivejo> I cant reproduce it today
[12:28] <clivejo> I was transferring photos from my phone via KDEConnect and cropping/fixing them in GIMP at the time
[12:28] <clivejo> but I cant reproduce it today
[12:32] <sgclark> morning
[12:32] <mamarley> Hi :)
[13:06] <clivejo> is there a PPA I can add to test the new kernels or do I have to download and install the .debs everytime there is an upgrade/new release
[13:41] <yofel> AFAIK there is no easy to install PPA on purpose, but feel free to ask in #ubuntu-kernel
[13:46] <pursuivant> muon (Plasma/5.4) v5.4.2-7-g8920872 * Rex Dieter: discover/org.kde.discover.desktop
[13:46] <pursuivant> org.kde.discover.desktop: validation fixes
[13:46] <pursuivant> mostly using ; as delimeters, and ensuring ; at the end too
[13:46] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/89208725ec4c18129076c661873bf303ab7a4d38
[13:47] <pursuivant> muon (master) v5.4.2-149-gf5a97ac * Rex Dieter: discover/org.kde.discover.desktop
[13:47] <pursuivant> Merge branch 'Plasma/5.4'
[13:47] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/f5a97ac4d608682a0a244e9269d122074906c6fc
[14:32] <BluesKaj> hey folks
[14:40] <sgclark> heya
[14:43] <marco-parillo> Hiyas: xenial running fine on my VM today. Nothing ugly.
[14:44] <pursuivant> muon (master) v5.4.2-150-ga4b888e * Aleix Pol: discover/qml/Breadcrumbs.qml
[14:44] <pursuivant> Fix breadcrumbs navigation
[14:44] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/a4b888e4942e77098ef3091ebf6595f3e6c83502
[15:20] <clivejo_> anyone know offhand how to see what is taking longest during boot?
[15:21] <clivejo_> Ive installed the patched plasma-nm, but still taking a while to get into plasma
[15:21] <yofel> there is systemd-analyze
[15:22] <yofel> not sure if that tracks stuff post-login
[15:22] <clivejo_> Startup finished in 6.439s (kernel) + 21.689s (userspace) = 28.128s
[15:23] <clivejo_> but its about 90seconds before the desktop loads, with autologin
[15:23] <yofel> meh, we need session journals :S
[15:23] <clivejo_> also, I need these systems to auto start firefox
[15:24] <clivejo_> but if the user shuts down with firefox loaded the system tries to run it twice and throws errors
[15:25] <clivejo_> ie "Firefox is already running but not responding.  To open a new window, you must first close the existing Firefox process or restart the system"
[15:25] <yofel> huh? it auto-starts at shutdown?
[15:25] <clivejo_> is there a way to turn off session saving?
[15:25] <yofel> there is a checkbox somewhere I believe
[15:26] <clivejo_> no, at shutdown it saves the apps you leave running
[15:26] <clivejo_> but I have firefox set as autostart.  If the user leaves it open, it tries to run it twice
[15:26] <yofel> startup and shutdown > desktop session > on login
[15:27] <clivejo_> yup, thats where I run firefox
[15:27] <clivejo_> ah On login, start with new session
[15:31] <clivejo_> lets try that
[15:48] <yofel> ahoneybun: I see correctly that you didn't get anywhere regarding docs.kubuntu.org?
[15:48] <yofel> what exactly needs to be done there?
[15:55] <Mamarok> yofel: Xenial planning on 3.11. -- isn't that your birthday?
[15:57] <yofel> now that you mention it - it is ^^
[15:58] <Mamarok> I've seen that because I was putting it in my agenda :)
[15:59] <Mamarok> hm, with those silly daylight saving changes, UTC is no GMT-1, right?
[16:00] <yofel> right now is 16:00 UTC
[16:00] <yofel> timezones are confusing *-.-
[16:00] <Mamarok> yep, so GMT is UTC+1
[16:00] <yofel> right
[17:30] <TJ-> Mamarok: GMT = UTC
[17:39] <pursuivant> muon (Plasma/5.4) v5.4.2-8-gf110bb3 * Aleix Pol: libmuon/backends/PackageKitBackend/PackageKitResource.cpp
[17:39] <pursuivant> Fix PackageKit details display
[17:39] <pursuivant> Properly check if the details we receive are the ones we're interested in.
[17:39] <pursuivant> Make sure we update when the resources arrive in the resource instance.
[17:39] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/f110bb31d0599fda5478d035bdaf5ce325419ca6
[17:39] <pursuivant> muon (master) v5.4.2-152-g479f45a * Aleix Pol: libmuon/backends/PackageKitBackend/PackageKitResource.cpp
[17:39] <pursuivant> Merge branch 'Plasma/5.4'
[17:39] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/479f45a2e6196957b87233de641d240448530772
[17:59] <Mamarok> TJ-: yeah, my bad, I meant CET, not GMT
[17:59] <TJ-> :D
[18:31] <ahoneybun> yofel: things just need to be copied over I think
[19:59] <sick_rimmit> Good evening my friends :-)
[20:11] <sgclark> hi
[20:13] <sick_rimmit> Hi sgclark
[22:07]  * ahoneybun wonders why pluging in an hdmi restarts the whole shell...
[22:32] <clivejo> Torx 7


[07:46] <slyon> Hey! Could somebody please re-try the pycurl/<IP_ADDRESS>-4 autopkgtest for me? It seems to be working fine locally, as well as on canonistack, with or without squid proxy. I'm not sure why it failed earlier... maybe a network hiccup? https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/p/pycurl/hirsute/amd64 (Maybe lets test on amd64 first and see if that works now)
[11:46] <juliank> slyon: done
[12:02] <slyon> thanks!
[12:59] <paride> Laney, hi! I submitted a MP updating ubuntu-meta for which I'd like a +1 from foundations (and desktop): https://code.launchpad.net/~paride/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+git/ubuntu-meta/+merge/394577
[12:59] <paride> but I'm not sure if anybody got actually notified about it. Pinging you as your name is in the latest changelog entries :)
[13:00] <paride> that's what's in the seeds already + some packaging changes
[13:04] <paride> Laney, also, would it make sense to maintain ubuntu-meta in a git repo?
[13:04] <paride> I was a bit surprised not to find one
[14:18] <rbalint> paride, +1 from foundations
[14:19] <paride> rbalint, thanks!
[19:09] <arunpyasi> mitya57: Hi I'm from pkg-deepin-team, can I pm you?
[19:09] <mitya57> Hi! Sure!
[23:08] <ItzSwirlz> Anyone want to review this SRU for fixing some spotify links in Cinnamon/Cinnamon's Screensaver? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cinnamon/+bug/1901344