[02:35] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via applications -> accessories -> terminal (gnome) or kmenu -> system -> konsole (kde). Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[02:35] <PathagenX> Windows is laike Linux with KDE installed but faster
[02:35] <gnomefreak> asiatic: what is it you are looking for?
[02:35] <kingdong> KDE ->  =(
[02:36] <Crippy-Boy> PathagenX: Windows is like linux with KDE installed? *head in hands*
[02:36] <asiatic> im new to this whole thing
[02:36] <asiatic> so i dont know
[02:36] <PathagenX> Yea. Crap
[02:36] <jbaby> KUBU does seem faster than windows
[02:36] <sris> is there a commando available in ubuntu that does the same thing as sockstat?
[02:36] <gnomefreak> asiatic: do you need help with ubuntu?
[02:36] <Crippy-Boy> PathagenX: in your opinion...
[02:37] <PathagenX> Yea..
[02:37] <sethk> sris, netstat
[02:37] <kidko> Anybody know where I could get something like XML::Parser Perl Module? I need it to compile a program...
[02:37] <PathagenX> easy source sucks
[02:37] <sethk> kidko, CPAN
[02:38] <gnomefreak> PathagenX: please take your opinions somewhere else
[02:38] <klug> will ubuntu 6.06.1  come with ati drivers,  and a 3d accelorator (to play Unreal Tournament 2004)  ?
[02:38] <CorpseFeeder> oik oik oik! flibble.
[02:38] <Crippy-Boy> PathagenX: is there anything you dont think 'sucks'
[02:38] <klug> or will i have to go through bunk like in Debian ?
[02:38] <PathagenX> Stuff that works
[02:38] <Crippy-Boy> PathagenX: I mean, if you can do a better job, Please bless us all...
[02:38] <PathagenX> Stuff that works is cool.
[02:38] <gnomefreak> klug: no you need to install them from multiverse repo see /msg ubotu ati   for more info
[02:39] <klug> oh ok,  well at least it is froma repo
[02:39] <CorpseFeeder> i want to edit my ra61sta.dat file but i can't because i don't know how
[02:39] <sky123>  hello..ive been trying to get openldap with tls working...but ran in to a roadblock...i copied over the public cert.pem into the client side....but i receive some errors.
[02:39] <klug> gnomefreak:  will i have to edit  apt.sources for multiverse ?
[02:39] <gnomefreak> klug: yes
[02:40] <gnomefreak> !repos > klug
[02:40] <klug> thanx pal
[02:40] <gnomefreak> klug: your pm has instructions
[02:40] <james296> how can I make Skype use the Gnome interface?
[02:40] <sky123> the errors are ldap_starttls_s: Connect error Sep  8 19:34:48 vm1 sshd(pam_unix)[3050] : check pass; user unknown Sep  8 19:34:48 vm1 sshd[3050] : pam_ldap: ldap_simple_bind Can't contact LDAP server can someone help with this?
[02:40] <PathagenX> Imma need a nice sources.list pasted to me, please, someone?
[02:41] <PathagenX> !repos > PathagenX
[02:41] <adil> hello everyone :)
[02:42] <Crippy-Boy> 'Lo :-)
[02:42] <adil> the highest level is root (i hope i am right:) ). what is the one right under it?
[02:42] <adil> the highest a user can have
[02:42] <CorpseFeeder> how can I find out what how to fill in my rt61sta.dat wireless config file if there is no instructions?
[02:43] <CorpseFeeder> i am stuck in limbo
[02:43] <nozorro> adil: the root user is the most powerful wrt permissions if you mean that
[02:43] <spiderworm> !webcam
[02:43] <ubotu> webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[02:43] <adil> yes nozorro
[02:44] <adil> i added another user because i dont want to use root every time
[02:44] <adil> but i want that user to have huge permissions
[02:44] <adil> how can i make that please?
[02:44] <Crippy-Boy> adil: Add the user to the sudoers file.
[02:44] <nozorro> adil: in ubuntu there's no root by default
[02:44] <ACU> I have phpmyadmin installed (apache works) but I do not know how to make the phpmyadmin works any hint
[02:44] <dk> im new to ubuntu dapper, everything is working fine, but sometimes my internet connection drops for a minute or so, why is this happening??
[02:45] <adil> nozorro: i have root and i have a user, so that problem is solved :)
[02:45] <kidko> All right... Well, I got the XML::Parser downloaded. Now when I type in make (There is a makefile), it sends out a bunch of errors that, by my guess, complains about just about everything in the script. Does anybody have an idea of how I could fix this?
[02:45] <adil> Crippy-Boy: can you please give me a help doing that?
[02:45] <CorpseFeeder> if I put "AuthMode=OIK!" and "EncryptMode=FLIBBLE" in my RA61STA.DAT file will that make my wireless card work in WPA-PSK?
[02:45] <adil> i am trying to learn
[02:45] <dk> does anyone else experience this problem?
[02:46] <henaro> Hello 8)
[02:46] <dk> internet connection dropping every so often
[02:46] <kingdong> hello 8)
[02:46] <nozorro> adil: you need to use the visudo editor
[02:46] <Crippy-Boy> adil: sudo nano /etc/sudoers
[02:46] <nozorro> if you want to follow Crippy-Boy's advice
[02:46] <CorpseFeeder> where can I find how to edit my rt61sta.dat file correctly?
[02:47] <gnomefreak> Crippy-Boy: visudo :)
[02:47] <nozorro> as i said
[02:47] <sethk> kidko, paste the error output on the paste site
[02:47] <brendonjt> kia ora
[02:47] <adil> ok, the file opened
[02:48] <henaro> Sooo
[02:48] <ladydoor> Crippy-Boy: actually, you need to use visudo. but if you read the manual, you'll see that you can use nano as the actual editor used instead of vi
[02:48] <DeadPiggy> where can i go to get some noob help?
[02:48] <adil> so now i should add the username under root?
[02:48] <henaro> Yeahh.....
[02:48] <CorpseFeeder> and why do I have to type sudo at the start of almost every single terminal command I use?
[02:48] <ladydoor> !noob
[02:48] <ubotu> Words like noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.
[02:48] <ladydoor> oh
[02:48] <jbaby> I notice there is programs for linux that let you watch tv on ur pc. Do you need to have any different hardware?
[02:48] <ladydoor> that's not what i wanted it to say
[02:48] <henaro> Soooo, I am having a problem with gcc...
[02:48] <ladydoor> DeadPiggy: what i wanted it to say was something like "ask your real question first"
[02:48] <dk> no one knows how to fix this internet connection issue?
[02:48] <henaro> 8)
[02:48] <ladydoor> :-)
[02:48] <gnomefreak> ladydoor: !ask
[02:49] <DeadPiggy> ah well i figured everyone wouldnt want to be bothered and maybe there was a channel that i cant find
[02:49] <ladydoor> gnomefreak: right right
[02:49] <dk> can you guys hear me
[02:49] <ghotli> yes
[02:49] <dk> ok
[02:49] <ladydoor> CorpseFeeder: you only need to type sudo if you need to be root
[02:49] <quiet> no.. IRC doesn't have voice capbilities.
[02:49] <gnomefreak> DeadPiggy: if you ask here we can point you to where it needs to go if not in here
[02:49] <dk> lol
[02:49] <jbaby> This room has voice?
[02:49] <ladydoor> CorpseFeeder: and if you really want you can set a root password and su
[02:49] <jbaby> oops nm
[02:49] <Crippy-Boy> ladydoor: i've always been fine using nano :-)
[02:49] <kingdong> my IRC is speaking out loud to me right now
[02:49] <quiet> apparently?
[02:49] <gnomefreak> it can
[02:49] <Lilandra> lupine_85: um...kernel panic (tho i didn't turn off acpi yet)
[02:49] <kingdong> what is wrong with your IRC?
[02:49] <ladydoor> Crippy-Boy: really? i thought you couldn't even edit it without visudo. weird
[02:49] <gnomefreak> nvm not voice as in sound
[02:50] <jbaby> No mirc channels have voice I dont think
[02:50] <gnomefreak> ladydoor: visudo is the edit iirc
[02:50] <quiet> hehe... my irssi screams at me when you say my name.
[02:50] <nozorro> adil: man sudoers
[02:50] <DeadPiggy> well im completely new with ubuntu and installed it fine and just need to know how to get to the desktop
[02:50] <jbaby> Yahoo does though
[02:50] <DeadPiggy> it takes me to the command line everytime
[02:50] <gnomefreak> jbaby: no irc has voice channels
[02:50] <ladydoor> gnomefreak: iirc? what does that mean?
[02:50] <quiet> DeadPiggy: what did you install with?
[02:50] <CorpseFeeder> well I Seem to need to be root with almost everything in the online HowTos despite the instructions not mentioning this need.
[02:50] <jbaby> Really?
[02:50] <quiet> ladydoor: if i remember correctly
[02:50] <Fuzz> !paste
[02:50] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[02:50] <gnomefreak> ladydoor: if i remember correctly
[02:50] <sethk> ladydoor, you can edit the file.  the comments in the file tell you to never do it.
[02:50] <ladydoor> quiet: aha
[02:51] <ladydoor> sethk: oh. lol
[02:51] <sethk> ladydoor, you can set your EDITOR environment variable to control which editor is used by visudo
[02:51] <DeadPiggy> i installed with the cd i mounted from the iso
[02:51] <gnomefreak> its never a good idea to use a command you dont know what it does
[02:51] <ladydoor> sethk: right, that's what i was saying.
[02:51] <jbaby> fdisk is a good one lol
[02:51] <sethk> ladydoor, then, you were right.  :)
[02:51] <ladydoor> sethk: lol
[02:51] <quiet> gnomefreak: why not? that's the stuff viruses are made of..  :)
[02:51] <sethk> jbaby, fdisk is a good program.
[02:51] <Lilandra> what kernel does ubuntu 6.0.6 use?
[02:52] <quiet> Lilandra: 2.6.15
[02:52] <jbaby> yeah, it turns ur hard drive blank
[02:52] <gnomefreak> quiet: you have to know what it does to make a virus out of it :)
[02:52] <CorpseFeeder> i wish i knew what this damned thing expects me to type into it's .dat file
[02:52] <Lilandra> quiet: is that the same across the board for amd64, ppc, i386?
[02:52] <quiet> probably.
[02:52] <Crippy-Boy> Well, is there any specific reason why you have to use visudo? i've never had a problem using nano :-/
[02:52] <gnomefreak> CorpseFeeder: i have never seena  .dat file in or for ubuntu
[02:52] <quiet> ew.... nano1?
[02:52] <gnomefreak> Crippy-Boy: dont have to
[02:53] <sethk> CorpseFeeder, what program is associated with the .dat file?
[02:53] <knix> So I'm having some issues with sound on my Ubuntu laptop. It's not swapping between speakers/headphones as it should. It uses whatever I have in at boot, eg. if I have headphones in when I boot, only the headphones work, and if I unplug them, speakers do not. Any ideas?
[02:53] <brendonjt> ok  on the website  it has the i386 kernal  how do i get the 686  kernal
[02:53] <gnomefreak> brendonjt: synaptic
[02:53] <quiet> brendonjt: install it?   linux-image-2.6-686
[02:53] <DeadPiggy> quiet: I installed with a cd I mounted from the iso off the website
[02:53] <kingdong> is the 686 kernel a lot faster?
[02:53] <jbaby> Whats the difference between 386 and 686?
[02:53] <don_jr> Is there a way I can see what process' are running on my machine?
[02:53] <mike__> i have an edgy question, what is there channel?
[02:54] <kingdong> i installed 386 by mistake
[02:54] <gnomefreak> mike__: #ubuntu+!
[02:54] <gnomefreak> avk
[02:54] <quiet> DeadPiggy: which cd though?? the live cd? the alternative installation cd? the server cd?
[02:54] <jbaby> ctrl-alt-delete
[02:54] <gnomefreak> mike__: #ubuntu+1
[02:54] <sethk> don_jr, ps aux
[02:54] <sethk> don_jr, ps -eaf
[02:54] <mike__> gnomefreak:  thaknk u
[02:54] <sethk> don_jr, lots of variations
[02:54] <don_jr> sethk thanx man, always my savior! :)
[02:54] <gnomefreak> yw
[02:54] <CorpseFeeder> I have a file I am suposed to edit for a RT61 wireless card in /etc/Wireless/RT61STA named rt61sta.dat but I have no clue what it vlaues it expects for AuthType= and EncryptMode=
[02:54] <DarthShrine> Hey everyone.
[02:54] <brendonjt> !686
[02:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 686 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:55] <Bumbelbee> bye
[02:55] <jbaby> !fdisk
[02:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fdisk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:55] <DarthShrine> I just tried to run something in wine and I got an error about libntdll.so not being found. How can I resolve this?
[02:55] <DeadPiggy> quiet: wow Im an idiot.  thanks
[02:55] <mike__> fdisk i hated that
[02:55] <sky123> Hi guys...i know this is a bit of a redundant question...but has anyone actually got the TLS support to work with openldap in UBUNTU?? for authentication??
[02:56] <jbaby> !windows
[02:56] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. Also see http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 - !equivalents - http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[02:56] <jake1> ok...... i need help understanding directions
[02:56] <jake1> http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOn64bit#head-56206e8bc74083807ffe06ccb471d3f964cb670a
[02:56] <jake1> i'm a little confused
[02:57] <nozorro> jake1: what is it that you don't understand?
[02:58] <jake1> i'm at the point "Run configure, build and install with:"
[02:58] <jake1> what do i run configure on
[02:58] <Deeah> How do I turn off Screen Reader/Magnifier?
[02:58] <jake1> i'm confused
[02:58] <Deeah> or disable it
[02:58] <CorpseFeeder>  I have a file I am supposed to edit for a RT61 wireless card in /etc/Wireless/RT61STA named rt61sta.dat but I have no clue what it values it expects for AuthType= and EncryptMode=
[02:58] <DarthShrine> jake1, In the directory, type ./configure
[02:58] <sethk> jake1, you extract the source code into a directory.  cd to that directory, then do:      ./configure
[02:58] <jake1> what directory
[02:58] <jake1> what source code
[02:58] <Crippy-Boy> Why not install wine from the repo instead of building from source?
[02:58] <ladydoor> jake1: the directory you extract the source to
[02:58] <jake1> i'm lost
[02:58] <DarthShrine> The one with the Wine stuff that youshould have from extracting...
[02:58] <quiet> buh... reboot requires... back in a bit.
[02:59] <jake1> crippy-boy that is for 32-bit
[02:59] <quiet> required*
[02:59] <nozorro> jake1: in the build dir. the './configure' command starts the script named such in your working dir.
[02:59] <jake1> ok... but then what is that second part
[02:59] <sethk> jake1, the web site whose URL you posted is for using the source code
[02:59] <jake1> after that
[02:59] <mike__> any ghood eye candy for non ati card users?
[02:59] <sethk> jake1, so those instructions don't have anything to do with what you are trying to do.
[02:59] <Fuzz> uhm im having problems with my fglrx display drivers, could someone help pls?
[02:59] <jake1> LDFLAGS="-L/lib32 -L/usr/lib32 -Wl,-rpath,/lib32 -Wl,-rpath,/usr/lib32"
[02:59] <Deeah> Is anyone in here running edgy and they upgraded from dapper? Is X working and it's half stable/usable?
[03:00] <DarthShrine> jake1, It tells you what commands to use there, too.
[03:00] <ladydoor> Deeah: #ubuntu+1
[03:00] <Crippy-Boy> jake1: ahh, sorry didn't realise you wasn't using 32 bit.
[03:00] <gnomefreak> Deeah: install xserver-xorg-core xorg adn xserver-xorg-video-all
[03:00] <gnomefreak> oops
[03:00] <jake1> sethk: what do you mean it doesn't have anything to do with what i want to do
[03:00] <jake1> i want to install Wine
[03:00] <gnomefreak> Deeah: yeah that but please join #ubuntu+1
[03:00] <jake1> that's what that article is about
[03:00] <sethk> jake1, you are looking at instructions related to source code.  You don't have source code.
[03:00] <brendonjt> can i run the linux 686 in a amd 2600+ athlon?
[03:00] <DarthShrine> I want to make Wine work ^_^
[03:00] <jake1> i have source code to Wine
[03:00] <sethk> jake1, no, that article is for installing from _source_
[03:00] <sethk> jake1, then why did you say "what source code?"
[03:01] <Shadowpillar> DarthShrine: what's the prob now?
[03:01] <Fuzz> uhm im having problems with my fglrx display drivers, could someone help pls?
[03:01] <sethk> jake1 and "what directory?"
[03:01] <brendonjt> fuzz:whats happening?
[03:01] <jake1> it appeared to be talking about the libc6-i386 and the libc6-dev-i386 library
[03:01] <jake1> not Wine
[03:01] <jake1> if you read before it and the steps i took
[03:01] <DarthShrine> Shadowpillar, Same as above; libntdll.so not found. In /usr/lib/wine there's a libntdll.def.
[03:01] <DarthShrine> s/above/before/
[03:01] <sethk> jake1, I know what it is saying.
[03:02] <Shadowpillar> DarthShrine: what are you trying to get work?
[03:02] <jake1> so i need to cd to the Wine source code directory
[03:02] <jake1> and compile it
[03:02] <jake1> ?
[03:02] <jake1> what are the commands below for then?
[03:02] <Fuzz> well when i type fglrxinfo i get "the" error: Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[03:02] <jake1> is that how you do it?
[03:02] <sethk> jake1, why do you want to compile it?  why not just install the binary version?
[03:02] <DarthShrine> Shadowpillar, Just Wine in general, nothing will run without that library.
[03:02] <Fuzz> and also it screws my screen up
[03:03] <Shadowpillar> DarthShrine: that's odd
[03:03] <nozorro> jake1: these are the compilation steps
[03:03] <jake1> because the bin version is for 32-bit and the source apparently is critical for running it on 64-bit according to #winehq
[03:03] <Shadowpillar> DarthShrine: what version of wine are you running?
[03:03] <Fuzz> i have to set my driver to "ati" in the xorg.conf to fix that
[03:03] <brendonjt> fuzz:how did you install it
[03:03] <jake1> if i use the bin it won't work they said
[03:03] <jake1> i need to follow those steps
[03:03] <Shadowpillar> jake1: whoa whoa
[03:03] <Shadowpillar> jake1: stop
[03:03] <Fuzz> like this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinayDriverHowto/ATI
[03:03] <brendonjt> fuzz:have you got restricted modules installed
[03:03] <DarthShrine> Shadowpillar, I'm not sure. I can't even run wine -v
[03:03] <Shadowpillar> jake1: I got wine running without recompiling it
[03:03] <Fuzz> i did the Install instructions for Ubuntu 6.06 (Dapper Drake) section
[03:03] <jake1> on 64-bit?
[03:04] <brendonjt> fuzz:sudo apt-get install  xorg-driver-fglrx
[03:04] <Shadowpillar> jake1: yep, I do it
[03:04] <Fuzz> thing is ... it worked before, only then it screwed up my xorg.conf so bad my gui wouldnt load
[03:04] <Shadowpillar> jake1: hold on one sec
[03:05] <nozorro> jake1: just follow the steps, where's the problem?
[03:05] <Fuzz> xorg-driver-fglrx is already the newest version.
[03:05] <jake1> i didn't understand what i was suppose to do nozorro
[03:05] <Shadowpillar> jake1: http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/archive/ubuntu/dapper/wine_0.9.20~winehq0~ubuntu~6.06-1_i386.deb
[03:05] <Shadowpillar> jake1: download that
[03:05] <Shadowpillar> also, DarthShrine.. http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/archive/ubuntu/dapper/wine_0.9.20~winehq0~ubuntu~6.06-1_i386.deb
[03:05] <Fuzz> so thats not it apperantly
[03:05] <nozorro> jake1: but what, specifically?
[03:06] <Shadowpillar> jake1: and install it dpkg -i --force-architecture wine_0.9.20~winehq0~ubuntu~6.06-1_i386.deb
[03:06] <Shadowpillar> nozorro: I got it under control
[03:06] <jake1> nozorro: i did not understand that they meant to configure Wine
[03:06] <brendonjt> fuzz: hmm have you tried uninstalling the drivers and reinstalling it
[03:06] <Shadowpillar> jake1: and then apt-get install lib32asound2 and libasound2
[03:06] <nozorro> Shadowpillar: :-|
[03:06] <Fuzz> no
[03:06] <Fuzz> actually
[03:06] <Fuzz> how do you uninstall them
[03:07] <jake1> it seemed to be talking about the libraries mentioned in the steps prior
[03:07] <Shadowpillar> nozorro: I have wine running fine under 64 bit
[03:07] <Shadowpillar> jake1: hello?
[03:07] <jake1> yes
[03:07] <bohemian> Can anyone help with a sound problem? I updated to dapper and my sound has gone from * except Firefox
[03:07] <jake1> Shadowpillar: should i apt-get install those libs before installing Wine
[03:07] <jake1> ?
[03:07] <Shadowpillar> yeah, wouldnt hurt
[03:08] <Fuzz> how do you uninstall the fglrx drivers then?
[03:09] <kingdong> sudo apt-get uninstall fglrx
[03:09] <Fuzz> thnx
[03:09] <Shadowpillar> jake1: and then do the dpkg command like I said
[03:09] <Fuzz> not quite
[03:10] <saga21> hi people :)
[03:10] <kingdong> the package name might be slightly different, i forget
[03:10] <saga21> :S
[03:10] <Fuzz> how can u know?
[03:11] <DarthShrine> Shadowpillar, A quick reinstall of Wine showed that I have 0.9.9-0
[03:11] <jake1> alright
[03:11] <nozorro> bohemian: enabling esd might help
[03:11] <jake1> it seems to be working
[03:11] <saga21> wine suck I try
[03:11] <jake1> ok.... done
[03:11] <saga21> but the counter strike no working
[03:11] <jake1> now i should test it
[03:11] <jake1> or is there some configuring i need to do first Shadowpillar
[03:11] <jake1> ?
[03:12] <DarthShrine> saga21, Wine won't make CS run.
[03:12] <saga21> no :(
[03:12] <Shadowpillar> jake1: did you install it?
[03:12] <Shadowpillar> jake1: winecfg
[03:12] <jake1> i that command
[03:12] <jake1> the dpkg -i
[03:12] <jake1> is that it
[03:12] <jake1> ?
[03:12] <Shadowpillar> to set things up like pseudo drives
[03:12] <Shadowpillar> should be
[03:12] <livingdaylight> hi, installing another os on my other hardrive has wiped the ubuntu menu.lst from grub which i need to manually add. Can you tell me how i mount sda from sdb so can acces this?
[03:12] <Shadowpillar> if any errors come up, tell me, because I'm going off memory here
[03:13] <Shadowpillar> there might be other things needed
[03:13] <Deeah> Where can I get an icon pack? For things that can't be included, ie the firefox ball(trademarked) and other crap like that.
[03:13] <jake1> is winecfg accessible from any directory
[03:13] <jake1> or is there a dir i need to be in
[03:13] <jake1> ?
[03:13] <Shadowpillar> jake1: yeah, it's a command
[03:13] <saga21> hey but I can install CS
[03:13] <saga21> in ubuntu-es
[03:14] <Fuzz> how do i find out what package my fglrx drivers are
[03:14] <Shadowpillar> DarthShrine: check out winehq.org and look in the downloads sections for debian/ubuntu
[03:14] <bnovc> i've tried installing ubuntu on a friend's laptop to dual boot with windows which is already on it. the ubuntu installer detects windows and says it will resize that partition but then when i click forward it says can't find space to install....i tried doing "largest continuous space" and clicking forward on that just stalls forever
[03:14] <saga21> say about install CS with wine
[03:14] <kwilkers> i would like to mount or "map" a network windows share at login, is this possible?
[03:14] <Shadowpillar> DarthShrine: in my experience, wine that comes with ubuntu is kinda shitty.
[03:14] <pianoboy3333> Anyone here a quodlibet user?
[03:14] <Crippy-Boy> bnovc: How much free space is there on the windows partition?
[03:15] <saga21> I am noob
[03:15] <saga21> :P
[03:15] <bnovc> Crippy-Boy: its a 60 gig drive, 40 or so is free
[03:15] <Crippy-Boy> bnovc: hmm, You could always try resize it manually.
[03:15] <mYth[SeNtiX] > hi
[03:15] <Shadowpillar> DarthShrine: http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb
[03:15] <saga21> hi!!
[03:15] <bnovc> Crippy-Boy: yea, i suppose i should do that...i figured ubuntu might be safe (not sure why i think so)
[03:15] <nozorro> kwilkers: after adding the place to Network Servers on desktop, it should reappear after each login
[03:16] <Shadowpillar> jake1: so, any luck?
[03:16] <the_dude> hmmm
[03:16] <the_dude> no aka yet
[03:16] <bnovc> i didnt want to increase the risk of destroying her windows install when i changed the partitions
[03:16] <mYth[SeNtiX] > anyone can help me with regards how to stop a process from starting automatically at startup, please?
[03:16] <kwilkers> nozorro:  thank you, i'll poke at that!
[03:16] <jake1> sweet
[03:16] <jake1> seems to be working
[03:16] <jake1> some error messages during launch about not vinding suitable visual
[03:16] <jake1> but it seems to work anyways
[03:16] <eyequeue> mYth[SeNtiX] , man update-rc.d
[03:16] <nozorro> kwilkers: first add it from Places > Connect to Server
[03:17] <bnovc> Crippy-Boy: i guess ill do that; any idea why it would error though?
[03:17] <bnovc> i'm confident 30-40gigs is enough
[03:17] <Shadowpillar> jake1: cool cool, and you can manage to install other 386 only apps in a similar way, though not as simply.
[03:17] <jake1> now i'm curious..... how would i launch a program i install with it
[03:17] <mYth[SeNtiX] > ok here's my prob, i installed ubuntu-server and then got xfce4 as a temporary gui
[03:17] <kingdong> whoever wanted firefox icon, check this out: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Firefox_&_Thunderbird_icon
[03:17] <jake1> does it create an icon somewhere to the program
[03:17] <mYth[SeNtiX] > now i want to stop it from lunching automatically at startup
[03:17] <Shadowpillar> jake1: like with zsnes, I had to download the deb for 32 bit SDL
[03:17] <mYth[SeNtiX] > eyequeue
[03:17] <Shadowpillar> jake1: wine program.exe
[03:17] <Crippy-Boy> bnovc: Yeah, its definitly enough, not sure why the error, I normally use the alternative cd after partitioning myself.
[03:17] <jake1> where do the programs install to?
[03:18] <eyequeue> mYth[SeNtiX] , man update-rc.d
[03:18] <bnovc> Crippy-Boy: i'm not familiar w/what the alternative cd is
[03:18] <Crippy-Boy> bnovc: Text based installer.
[03:18] <brendonjt> hi ya all  just upgraded from linux 386 to linux 686  and it is so good so far
[03:18] <Shadowpillar> jake1: usually to /home/yourname/.wine/drive_c/
[03:18] <mYth[SeNtiX] > eyequeue any idea what should i remove but?
[03:18] <bnovc> Crippy-Boy: ah ok, well i *kind* of want her to isntall it herself and i figured the fluffier the better ;)
[03:18] <saga21> hey one question
[03:18] <bnovc> but then it didnt work :|
[03:19] <saga21> I need see with my webcam in amsn
[03:19] <eyequeue> mYth[SeNtiX] , whatever you don't want to start
[03:19] <saga21> is posibly?
[03:19] <kingdong> brendonjt, is it faster
[03:19] <mYth[SeNtiX] > xfce4
[03:19] <Crippy-Boy> bnovc: yeah, I dunno just resize the partition with GParted or whatever and then let her do the actual install.
[03:19] <mYth[SeNtiX] > automatically starting at startup
[03:19] <mYth[SeNtiX] > the gui
[03:19] <Shadowpillar> saga21: yeah, make sure you have the latest version, plug in your webcam, go to preferences
[03:19] <saga21> ok ;)
[03:20] <saga21> thank men :P
[03:20] <bnovc> Crippy-Boy: it will detect both partitions and ask her to go to it?
[03:20] <brendonjt> kingdong:  yip seems  to be
[03:20] <kwilkers> nozorro:  thanks for that.  now that server connection will be persistent?
[03:20] <Deeah> I have a 10 gig /; an 85 gig /home; and I have about 17 gigs of unpartitioned space all on the same drive.(I only have one drive in this machine) What should I use to add the 17 gigs of unallocated space to the /home; so /home is 100+ gigs instead of 85. I don't want to lose any data if possible.
[03:21] <Deeah> I'm using gnome
[03:21] <nozorro> kwilkers: works for me with ssh folders. it stays there unless the server goes down or you remove the volume from the desktop
[03:21] <mYth[SeNtiX] > eyequeue maybe the update-rc.d has a command line to show all processed automatically starting at starup?
[03:21] <bnovc> Deeah: do you need the space
[03:21] <kwilkers> nozorro:  beautiful, i'll reboot to check it out.  thanks for the help!
[03:21] <mYth[SeNtiX] > eyequeue maybe the update-rc.d has a command line to show all processes* automatically starting at starup?
[03:21] <eyequeue> mYth[SeNtiX] , ls /etc/init.d/
[03:21] <mYth[SeNtiX] > ah k
[03:22] <abo> is Squirrel the best sql client for linux?
[03:22] <Deeah> bnovc, not really, but I would like to use it.
[03:22] <mYth[SeNtiX] > must be 'gdm' then
[03:22] <kingdong> Job 3:14
[03:22] <bnovc> Deeah: if you dont really need it, maybe you should just use it as backup or something
[03:22] <sethk> Deeah, you can make a new file system in the space, and then use a symbolic link to make it available in /home
[03:22] <jake1> how do i uninstall something i installed with Wine
[03:22] <jake1> ???
[03:22] <Crippy-Boy> bnovc: Well when its resized you should have so many g unused space, And "Largest continuous free space" should work fine.
[03:22] <sethk> Deeah, that's not exactly adding it to /home, but it can have a similar effect.
[03:22] <sethk> Deeah, or you can use lvm
[03:22] <Deeah> sethk, So there is no way to use it and make /home larger?
[03:22] <bnovc> Crippy-Boy: oh, largest continuous free space referes to the largest free partition?
[03:22] <mYth[SeNtiX] > and eyequeue, is there a way to enable it again after i remove it from update-rc.d?
[03:23] <flaco> hi.... now I delete a symbolic link
[03:23] <bnovc> i thought it would try to awkwardly partition space in the center
[03:23] <eyequeue> mYth[SeNtiX] , yes. man update-rc.d
[03:23] <Deeah> I can't just "resize" /home?
[03:23] <bnovc> flaco: rm -rf <symlink name?
[03:23] <sethk> Deeah, is the unused space contiguous to /home?
[03:23] <bnovc> *>
[03:23] <eyequeue> flaco, rm
[03:23] <Shadowpillar> jake1: invoke its uninstall program?
[03:23] <Crippy-Boy> bnovc: Im guessing so yeah,
[03:23] <sethk> Deeah, lvm will make /home larger
[03:23] <eyequeue> bnovc, why -rf?
[03:23] <flaco> but..... ln -s /route1 /route2
[03:23] <bnovc> eyequeue: its not necessary, just habit
[03:23] <flaco> rm -rf what?
[03:23] <sethk> Deeah, but it adds a level of complication and I'm not sure it's justified.
[03:23] <nozorro> flaco: just like any other file
[03:23] <flaco> ok
[03:23] <eyequeue> bnovc, a bad one
[03:23] <jake1> ah
[03:24] <jake1> got it thanx
[03:24] <pianoboy3333> Anyone here a quodlibet user?
[03:24] <bnovc> eyequeue: nah, i have backups of everything
[03:24] <eyequeue> flaco, rm thelink
[03:24] <eyequeue> bnovc, but you are advising others here
[03:24] <flaco> thks
[03:24] <bnovc> eyequeue: it wont hurt him to add -rf
[03:24] <sethk> Deeah, if the free area is contiguous to /home (just before or just after), a tool like gparted can be used to enlarge /home.  but, always backup before trying something like this.
[03:25] <eyequeue> bnovc, it's inappropriate for a symlink
[03:25] <bnovc> eyequeue: its overkill, not inappropriate
[03:25] <eyequeue> bnovc, explain how it is appropriate please
[03:25] <ladydoor> bnovc: i'm going to throw in with eyequeue. you don't want to attach -rf to rm if you don't absolutely have to
[03:25] <sethk> bnovc, to use -r unnecessarily, especially with f, is absolutely wrong
[03:25] <steinex> hey, someone here using a thinkpad under ubuntu? i'd have a question about the third mouse button.
[03:25] <ladydoor> bnovc: because mistyping could reach havoc
[03:25] <sethk> all risk, zero benefit
[03:25] <bohemian> Me too, it's a terribly bad habit.
[03:26] <ladydoor> *wreak
[03:26] <zebedee> cool i have found terminal and the man command, it's like msdos but with more options :-)
[03:26] <bnovc> heh
[03:26] <sethk> zebedee, we'll ignore that for the moment.   :)
[03:26] <sethk> zebedee, it's also quite wrong.  you can run bash and zsh in windows.
[03:26] <sethk> zebedee, you are confusing the shell with the operating system.
[03:28] <Crippy-Boy> Why is it that in here everyone feels the need to jump on people if they make a small mistake, Its really quite patronising.
[03:28] <bioticpro> whats a good program to make animated gifs from mpg/avi clips?
[03:28] <zebedee> sethk. Oh i'll read more and type less... :-)
[03:28] <DarthShrine> Shadowpillar, Same error with the package from the other repi.
[03:28] <sris> Hi, what kind of "recovering" tools is available in ubuntu?
[03:28] <DarthShrine> repo*
[03:28] <sethk> Crippy-Boy, WRONG   :)
[03:28] <sris> Because ive done something really stupid
[03:28] <bohemian> heh
[03:29] <Crippy-Boy> sethk: How?
[03:29] <sethk> Crippy-Boy, you have an underdeveloped sense of irony.
[03:29] <eyequeue> Crippy-Boy, bad advice is dangerous
[03:29] <sethk> sris, you have to be more specific.
[03:29] <bnovc> you're obsessing over something that makes no difference
[03:29] <eyequeue> bnovc, you are wrong
[03:29] <bnovc> i think its kind of humorous, so you can continue
[03:29] <Crippy-Boy> eyequeue: So it warrents about 5 or 6 people to jump on someone to say the same thing?
[03:29] <zebedee> I meant msdos as in command line, not dodgy mouse
[03:30] <bnovc> eyequeue: no, i'm not - you can have your opinion though
[03:30] <sris> sethk: well, i was trying to fix my sound, because i was unable to change the volume. so I followed the steps in the guide on the wiki.
[03:30] <eyequeue> Crippy-Boy, if that someone doesn't listen to the first person
[03:30] <sris> sethk: after a reboot it kind of had the oposite effect though, because the sound wasn\t working at all
[03:30] <sethk> sris, ok, so far that doesn't sound disasterous
[03:30] <sris> sethk: i tried to fix the edited configs back, but that didnt help
[03:31] <sethk> sris, your problem now is you have no sound?
[03:31] <sris> sethk: no
[03:31] <sethk> sris, sorry, I'll let you finish
[03:31] <sris> sethk: almost there :)
[03:31] <Crippy-Boy> eyequeue: And what makes you think they'll listen to the 4 people that follow? I find being patronising and having a holier than thou attitude little more helpful than a 'RTFM'
[03:31] <livingdaylight> anyone know whether there is a conflict between lilo and grub?
[03:31] <bohemian> Crippy-Boy,   several people merely agreed it was a bad habit, I didn't see any jumping on anyone.
[03:31] <sethk> livingdaylight, conflict in what respect?
[03:31] <livingdaylight> i have two hardrives and ones got grub and ones got lilo
[03:31] <eyequeue> Crippy-Boy, hopefully the target of the bad advice (flaco) will note that it is unacceptable to the variety who speak against it
[03:32] <sris> sethk: one of the steps told me to install something like libesd-arla0 which i did
[03:32] <sethk> livingdaylight, only the master will be used anyway
[03:32] <Crippy-Boy> bohemian: Its not just now, Ive seen it a couple of times which is why i said something.
[03:32] <sris> sethk: well, i though it would be a good idea to remove that again
[03:32] <sethk> livingdaylight, makes no difference what's on any drives other than primary master
[03:32] <livingdaylight> sethk: in that i've installed another os on sdb but now sda is not available to me at bootup. Looks like Zenwalk took out my Ubuntu menu.lst
[03:32] <Timmy|GDS> I need a overclocking utility for i386 so I dont have to access the BIOS
[03:32] <eyequeue> crimsun, and what is wrong with rtfm?
[03:32] <sris> sethk: so i ran apt-get remove thatname
[03:32] <Crippy-Boy> bohemian: Normally i would keep my mouth shut.
[03:32] <sris> and it startet to remove everything, a lot of x stuff and gnome stuff
[03:32] <eyequeue> Crippy-Boy, and what is wrong with rtfm?
[03:32] <bohemian> Normally you're better company :)
[03:32] <sethk> livingdaylight, if your menu.lst was clobbered, then yes, you have a problem, but I can't see why zenwalk would touch menu.lst
[03:33] <eyequeue> crimsun, misdirect, disregard
[03:33] <Crippy-Boy> eyequeue: What is right with it?
[03:33] <sris> sethk: this is my first linuxinstall so im not really know what im doing
[03:33] <bohemian> This is probably the wrong cvhannel for this discussion...
[03:33] <sris> sethk: but i aborted in after a while
[03:33] <flaco> hey man.. I was on the phone.. and I say thank you for your advice...
[03:33] <eyequeue> Crippy-Boy, the documentation written by the author is there for a reason, and is intended to explain the command in question
[03:33] <sris> sethk: and no, i can boot, log in, but there's nothing there
[03:33] <kingdong> what bittorrent client do you guys use
[03:33] <livingdaylight> sethk: well, i see no other explanation. So, i figured i need to manually add ubuntu's menu.lst to the Zenwalk one and i'll be ok
[03:33] <eternalswd> I just bought a new external harddrive and was wondering if there are any filesystems other than FAT32 that is fully supported by both linux and windows ie something that can write files larger than 4GB
[03:33] <sethk> sris, if you can boot and log in, quite a bit is there.
[03:34] <Crippy-Boy> eyequeue: In theory... If i give you a 'Brick laying for dummies' book and tell you to build a house do you think you could?
[03:34] <sris> sethk: yeah i think its mostley gnome desktopstuff
[03:34] <livingdaylight> sethk: but i've never used lilo and i don't know where the menu.lst in Zenwalk is, to check whether my theory is right
[03:34] <sethk> livingdaylight, lilo uses a file, lilo.conf.  but, remember, lilo.conf is only used once, when lilo is installed (or reinstalled)
[03:34] <eyequeue> Crippy-Boy, i don't have the ability to get out of bed, so no.  i do have the ability to type on a keyboard, which i assume all here have as well
[03:35] <sethk> livingdaylight, the equivalent of menu.lst is written to the drive.
[03:35] <sris> sethk: libesd-alsa0 is the name of the package i tried to remove
[03:35] <l33t_n00b> what program do you use to configure wireless
[03:35] <sethk> sris, let's look at it from another direction.  did you lose any important files, or did you just mess up your install?
[03:35] <sris> sethk: i think i just messed up my install
[03:36] <sris> sethk: im running from the CD now
[03:36] <sethk> sris, why not just reinstall?
[03:36] <sethk> sris, unless you want to track down the problem for educational reasons.
[03:36] <livingdaylight> sethk: so, any ideas? I don't want to have to physcally connect and disconnect everytime i want to go into one or the other hardrive to get into Ubuntu or Zenwalk, everytime
[03:36] <Crippy-Boy> eyequeue: And if someone comes across a problem even though theyve read the manual, Or cant find a manual, Or cant find anything relavent to what they need in the manual? And above all else its just pure arrogance. If you dont like a question, don't answer it.
[03:36] <sris> sethk: well first of all im curious of why removing that package started to remove a lot of other things
[03:37] <kitche> livingdaylight: you can use either bootloader if you want you just have to edit the config of one of them to boot both
[03:37] <sethk> livingdaylight, I wish I knew more about zenwalk.  Why did you install zenwalk in the first place?  Is there something that grub can't do for you?
[03:37] <ladydoor> !attitude
[03:37] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[03:37] <kingdong> arr-tee-eff-emm!
[03:37] <eyequeue> Crippy-Boy, if someone states they don't understand a man page, they get a different response
[03:37] <sethk> sris, oh, because there are dependencies
[03:37] <JoseStefan> i had a dream, someone hacked into my ubuntu by using the recovery console :/
[03:37] <nomasteryoda> peace people
[03:37] <sethk> sris, when you install something, say X, the package manager will say oh, you also need y, z, a, b, and c
[03:37] <sris> sethk: ouch
[03:37] <Deeah> sethk, http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/7358/screenshotqv9.png
[03:37] <jake1> anyone know of Visual Basic is free
[03:37] <bohemian> Crippy-Boy,    what is your problem? If you don't like the way people provide help and advice, provide it yourself in a manner you deem appropriate.
[03:37] <nomasteryoda> and greetings from the evil side of the net... esus
[03:37] <jake1> the one by microsoft
[03:37] <sethk> sris, so, when you uninstall X, it then says hey, you no longer need y,z,a,b,c.
[03:37] <sethk> sris, and out they go.
[03:37] <Crippy-Boy> eyequeue: I really dont care to carry this on as its not going anywhere. i just dont agree with it.
[03:38] <l33t_n00b> what program is the most popular for configuring and maintaining wireless profiles?
[03:38] <sris> sethk: but i wasnt uninstalling X, i just thought it was some soundspecific package
[03:38] <sethk> sris, Unless you are seriously short of disk space, it's better not to uninstall (except to fix a problem).
[03:38] <virilius> hi ppl
[03:38] <sethk> sris, it's an alsa library, so you are correct.
[03:38] <Crippy-Boy> bohemian: Im not looking for help, and i do oftern provide it myself, I was merely voicing my opinion.
[03:38] <sris> sethk: well yeah, i was just trying to get my sound back
[03:38] <sethk> sris, but possibly your dependency data got messed up, or you stumbled on an obscure bug in the package manager.
[03:38] <livingdaylight> sethk: why did i install Zenwalk, is there something Grub can't do for you? i don't understand?   However, it appears that it did.
[03:39] <Jack_Sparrow> jake1: Realbasic for linux is free, it uses most of the same syntax and if you buy the upgrade it will compile for either linux or WIndows
[03:39] <sris> sethk: i got supicious right away because it prompted is was going to remove 30XXX files or something
[03:39] <sethk> sris, and your system is in a state now where it might take many hours to figure out what happened, and why.
[03:39] <Crippy-Boy> RealBasic is aweful.
[03:39] <sethk> sris, yes, that's definitely bizarre  :)
[03:39] <nomasteryoda> i hear it is better than kdevelop
[03:40] <sethk> livingdaylight, you are using operating system names and boot loader names as if they were the same thing.
[03:40] <sris> sethk: i see, i was hoping there was some gnome-desktop recover stuff around :)
[03:40] <Jack_Sparrow> Basic in general is not great
[03:40] <Crippy-Boy> kdevelop is an IDE, RealBasic is a language, How can they be compaired?
[03:40] <sethk> livingdaylight, grub has nothing specifically to do with linux, it's a general purpose boot loader.
[03:40] <virilius> I just install edgy knot2 and did the update to every packet... at the moment I have installed Xorg 7.1 and fglrx 8.28.8... However, the fglrx drivers isn't loading! :( Any idea? I though fglrx 8.28.8 already supported Xorg 7.1
[03:40] <kitche> Jack_Sparrow: I heard Helix is good
[03:40] <sethk> livingdaylight, when you install another operating system, that doesn't mean you have to install that other operating system's boot loader.
[03:40] <eyequeue> virilius, /join #ubuntu+1
[03:40] <eyequeue> !edgy
[03:40] <sethk> livingdaylight, of course, poorly designed o/s installs like windows clobber whatever boot manager happens to be there.
[03:40] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[03:40] <Timmy|GDS> I need a overclocking utility for i386 so I dont have to access the BIOS, pm me with a solution please!
[03:41] <sethk> livingdaylight, but if that happens, you just reinstall grub.
[03:41] <kitche> sethk: slackware does that by default :(
[03:41] <l33t_n00b> !schedule
[03:41] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[03:41] <Jack_Sparrow> HE was looking for VB, RealBasic is close in syntax and has the ability to vross compile which is why I suggesated that program
[03:41] <sris> sethk: correct me if im wrong, but i installed it all on a single partition. that would mean that a reinstall would erase all my data too?
[03:41] <jake1> Jack_Sparrow... i've been looking all over for VB for Linux
[03:41] <Jack_Sparrow> Nope
[03:41] <not-a-bot> Good evening :)
[03:41] <Crippy-Boy> Jack_Sparrow: I appologise.
[03:41] <virilius> eyequeue: thanks and sorry
[03:41] <sethk> kitche, no, not the current version.
[03:41] <nomasteryoda> sris, yes you are right... it would toast your data
[03:41] <Jack_Sparrow> Crippy-Boy: np
[03:41] <sris> sethk: theres no way of simply reinstalling gnome?
[03:41] <eyequeue> virilius, no prob
[03:41] <sethk> sris, no, you don't need to erase anything.
[03:41] <jake1> it's not microsoft doesn't make it do they?
[03:42] <sethk> sris, when you install, if there are already file systems that the install can use, it gives you the option of installing without erasing.
[03:42] <Timmy|GDS> m$ is 64Y
[03:42] <Jack_Sparrow> VB is MS... RB is not
[03:42] <livingdaylight> sethk: no, i know the difference between an os and a loader, i was confused as to what you meant. It wasn't clear to me however, that i didn't need to install lilo, I was just following the default installation
[03:42] <sethk> sris, yes, you can reinstall gnome, I'm just not sure it will fix it.
[03:42] <sethk> sris, but it can't hurt.
[03:42] <sethk> sris, just bring up synaptic and find gnome and do a reinstall
[03:42] <kitche> Jack_Sparrow: nevermind I was thinking of realplayer not BASIC
[03:43] <Jack_Sparrow> k
[03:43] <not-a-bot> I just setup my OV519 according to this http://blog.thedarkmere.net/index.php?/archives/14-Ubuntu-ov51x-jpeg-guide.html and everything seems to work fine, no more modprobe errors and the little LED on my cam is lit
[03:43] <sethk> livingdaylight, ok.  My thought would be to reinstall grub, and then add the new o/s to grub's menu.  assuming grub can handle it.  That's what I meant about whether there is something grub can't handle.
[03:43] <not-a-bot> isn't it supposed to be available as /dev/video1 now?
[03:43] <sris> sethk: how would i do that? no, from the CD, or from the "recovery consol" ?
[03:43] <not-a-bot> I only have dev/video0 which is mny tv-card :S
[03:43] <ubuntu_newbie> sethk: i tried the howto but it doesnt help authentication against active directory, it just deals with getting windows to see ubuntu shares via samba
[03:44] <thomas> hey guys, i'm having trouble with a cron job. I have set it up to execute a script every half hour, but it isn't. I have tried both as my user and root. The script is executable, and works from terminal. Can somebody help me figure this out???
[03:44] <sethk> sris, you said you can log in.  so you can do a command line reinstall of ubuntu-desktop
[03:44] <sethk> sris, if your desktop is there, only missing sound, then you can use synaptic which is easier to use than the command line utility apt-get
[03:44] <sris> sethk: well, after i log in i cant do anything
[03:44] <sethk> sris, give me an example of something you can't do.
[03:45] <sris> sethk: nah, my desktop isnt there
[03:45] <sethk> sris, ok, then command line it is.
[03:45] <sris> sethk: after i log in, i just get a brown screen
[03:45] <sris> sethk: i tried some hotkeys but that didnt work
[03:45] <sris> like alt-F2
[03:46] <ubuntu> HI
[03:46] <thomas> type ctrl alt F5
[03:46] <sris> and when i tried to restart the shell, well, i dont even know what happend
[03:46] <ubuntu> What can I use on the LiveCD to burn a DVD?
[03:46] <sethk> sris, ok.  try    sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop         probably it will say already installed, but try it.
[03:46] <quiet> does anyone know what the entries are for kismet source= for ndiswrapper(wlan0) cards?
[03:46] <nozorro> thomas: maybe you have to restart cron?
[03:46] <thomas> ubuntu: install gnomebaker
[03:46] <ubuntu> thomas: LiveCD
[03:46] <thomas> nozorro, i have tried this.
[03:46] <eyequeue> ubuntu, the drive will be occupied, you can't
[03:46] <sris> sethk: sorry if im repeating myself, but where should i execute that command_
[03:46] <sethk> sris, no, better, do this:   sudo apt-get --reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[03:46] <quiet> ubuntu: you can install n the livecd
[03:46] <livingdaylight> sethk: ah..so that is what you meant. :) How do i reinstall grub though? i wonder if that is beyond me. I can go and get menu.lst from ubuntu and add it to Zen's menu.lst but reinstalling grub sounds like a big job
[03:46] <seshomaru> hello - can anyone tell me whats the command that will display the type of CPU I have?
[03:46] <ubuntu> eviltux: It's another drive, DUH!!!
[03:46] <quiet> seshomaru: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[03:46] <ubuntu> It even sez blank DVD-R on my desktop
[03:46] <sethk> sris, all you have is the command line, so you have to type it there.  :)
[03:46] <thomas> ubuntu: you can install gnomebaker in a live setting. However, you won't have enough swap/memory to burn a cd.
[03:47] <sethk> sris, if you can get a terminal window
[03:47] <seshomaru> quiet, thanks!
[03:47] <ubuntu> thomas: DVD.  Why not?  I am trying to burn an iso image on another hard drive
[03:47] <eviltux> what? 0.o
[03:47] <sethk> sris, if you can't get a terminal window, then do:    control-alt-f1
[03:47] <thomas> ubuntu: unless you have a swap drive somewhere on a disk.
[03:47] <sethk> sris, that wil give you a console login.
[03:47] <sris> sethk: hm, no i cant, or well, i can switch to another terminal with alt-shit-Fx
[03:47] <kielby> is anyone having trouble accessing www.ubuntu.com? it times out for me
[03:47] <kracker> can anyone recommend a way to mount a gpg/pgp filesystem from a file on my usb/disk under Ubuntu?
[03:47] <thomas> ubuntu: type swapon /dev/hd** <--- w/e your swap partition is, if you have one.
[03:47] <sethk> sris, ok, those are consoles.  use a console.
[03:48] <sris> sethk: yeah, that works, okey than, thanks for the help :)
[03:48] <thomas> then you can probably burn a dvd no problem.
[03:48] <sethk> sris, "terminal" usually means a terminal window running in the desktop
[03:48] <eyequeue> kielby, no delay here
[03:48] <ubuntu> thomas: hm... the disk is ntfs, and only one partition.  could I use a usb key as swap?
[03:48] <thomas> ubuntu: yeah you'll have to format it.
[03:48] <apecat> aargh, i happened to hibernate my system
[03:48] <apecat> did a hard reboot
[03:48] <thomas> ubuntu: that's a good idea. Just make sure you set your burn speed slower than the read speed of your usb key.
[03:48] <apecat> and it hibernates itself again when it it booted
[03:48] <sethk> ubuntu, you can, but usb access is slow, so it's not a great idea.
[03:49] <apecat> how do i wake this thing up?
[03:49] <thomas> apecat: i have never been able to hibernate ubuntu.
[03:49] <apecat> thomas: heh meneither
[03:49] <ubuntu> thomas: gnomebaker do overburns alright?  issue is this dvd image is like 60mbytes too big and nero isn't cutting it
[03:49] <seshomaru> quiet, how about my motherboard?
[03:49] <apecat> and i wouldn't want to
[03:49] <apecat> just happened to press hibernate by mistake
[03:49] <ubuntu> thomas: not sure if it is hardware or software issue as to overburning not happening
[03:49] <thomas> apecat: usually it saves my swap properly, but messes up when i power it back on.
[03:49] <kracker> just trying to mount a file based gpg/pgp fat file system in a file on another fat filesystem
[03:49] <ubuntu> sethk: Why is that?  It's USB 2, and quite fast on win
[03:49] <sethk> seshomaru, there are files in /sys that describe your hardware
[03:49] <thomas> ubuntu: can you skim some files out of it?
[03:50] <thomas> ubuntu: you can open the iso in fileroller.
[03:50] <sethk> ubuntu, it's just a relatively slow device.  but for burning, that may not matter.
[03:50] <seshomaru> sethk,  thanks
[03:50] <apecat> well, this is sort of disturbing, sinc eit falls asleep/dies againa ftaer teh reboot
[03:50] <sethk> seshomaru, kde has a very nice program to display stuff about your hardware.  gnome probably does as well.
[03:50] <ubuntu> thomas: yea, it's a dvd image though.. and I'm not sure if it would work properly if one of the VOB files was missing
[03:51] <shadowhywind> does anyone have any experence with wireless and ipw2200
[03:51] <thomas> its a video dvd... didn't know that.
[03:51] <thomas> gnomebaker has overburn
[03:51] <thomas> but 60mb might be cutting it.
[03:51] <thomas> and who knows whether or not your dvd player will read it properly afterwards.
[03:51] <livingdaylight> sethk: aguess, there's nothing more to say
[03:51] <ubuntu> other option is to reauthor the whole thing using DVD Shrink, but I don't want to do that.
[03:52] <seshomaru> sethk, im on gnome , i m looking thru /sys but im afraid i dont really understand
[03:52] <thomas> seshomaru: /sys really isn't important.
[03:52] <thomas> it is important
[03:53] <seshomaru> thomas, i want to find the type of motherboard this machine has
[03:53] <thomas> you don't know???
[03:53] <seshomaru> no
[03:54] <thomas> there's probably a command to do that.
[03:54] <thomas> but i don't know it.
[03:54] <seshomaru> i bought this computer a long time ago ,before i even knew what an OS is
[03:54] <thomas> why is it you need to know?
[03:54] <sethk> seshomaru, seshomaru specifically for cpu, you can do:   cat /proc/cpuinfo
[03:54] <thomas> is there another issue?
[03:55] <seshomaru> thomas - i want to change the Mboard to a new one (that supports Nvidia)
[03:55] <_pete> is there an easy way to download files from the repositories to a thumb drive and install them using synaptic on another system??
[03:55] <seshomaru> the current one doesnt have a slot for videocard
[03:55] <thomas> seshomaru, so just buy a new motherboard that supports nvidia?
[03:55] <Pelo> evening folks
[03:55] <seshomaru> sethk , thanks i found the CPU
[03:55] <seshomaru> thomas yes
[03:56] <thomas> why do you need to know what you have now if you're buying a new one.
[03:56] <PathagenX> so he can sell that one?
[03:56] <Crippy-Boy> thomas: i think he wanted to find out what the socket type wsa?
[03:56] <Crippy-Boy> was*
[03:56] <ubuntu> whoever said somethign about wireless, it's a huge PITA FYI =)
[03:56] <seshomaru> but as i understand it has to be similar in some ways to the old one, thats what the guy in the shop told me
[03:56] <seshomaru> i know nothing of hardware
[03:56] <Pelo> anyone know how to associate an icon with a file type in ubu ?  , I tried with rightclick properties but it only works for that one file
[03:56] <ubuntu> What would be proper way to open a file browser as root?
[03:57] <PathagenX> sudo filebrowser
[03:57] <Pelo> ubuntu  gksudo nautilus
[03:57] <Crippy-Boy> seshomaru: Yeah, you have to get one that supports that processor, If its old it may just be easier buying a new motherboard and processor.
[03:57] <PathagenX> or if you are already root, filebrowser
[03:57] <thomas> seshomaru: if your motherboard now is older than you know, you won't find one around today similar to it.
[03:57] <ubuntu> Pelo: thx
[03:57] <thomas> yeah thats what the guy was talking about
[03:57] <seshomaru> Crippy-Boy,  thanks
[03:57] <thomas> if you're not planning on buying a new cpu
[03:58] <thomas> which you should really should consider... getting a new cpu.
[03:58] <seshomaru> thomas that why i want to find out my Mboard.....
[03:58] <Crippy-Boy> seshomaru: what type of processor is it/
[03:58] <seshomaru> if the Mboard is too old - i'll get a new CPU
[03:58] <seshomaru> Pentium 4 2.20
[03:58] <seshomaru> 2.20 ghz
[03:58] <Pelo> anyone know how to associate an icon with a file type in ubu ?  , I tried with rightclick properties but it only works for that one file
[03:58] <thomas> its a p4? thats not that old!
[03:58] <Crippy-Boy> Ahh, You should be fine with just a new mobo
[03:58] <seshomaru> its 3 years old
[03:58] <LOL> >.< I'm in big trouble... i did sudo mv /etc/ jre-1_5_0_08-linux-i586.bin ~/Desktop and it moved the ect directory over to my desktop.. and i didnt want that... now i cant see to be able to copy it back :O
[03:58] <Crippy-Boy> socket 478 (if i remember rightly)
[03:59] <seshomaru> in China - 3 years is old....
[03:59] <seshomaru> ok - thank you all ...must go
[03:59] <thomas> as long as it's an intel board that supports pentium 4. ask the people you're buying the new motherboard from to make sure it supports P4.
[03:59] <Crippy-Boy> Hes gone :-)
[03:59] <thomas> LOL: thats quite a problem.
[03:59] <Crippy-Boy> hehe
[04:00] <ubuntu> Ok that didn't work out well
[04:00] <ubuntu> How would I mount a filesystem so regular user can read it?
[04:00] <LOL> thomas, anything i can do to revert it?
[04:00] <thomas> what kind of filesystem?
[04:00] <ubuntu> ntfs
[04:00] <ubuntu_newbie> sethk: you can stil help mi out on that ting
[04:00] <thomas> ubuntu: mount -t ntfs /dev/hd** /where/you/want/mounted
[04:01] <peterocks> can i use synaptic to download packages to the disk w/out installing them?
[04:01] <ubuntu> thomas: "so regular user can read it"
[04:01] <not-a-bot> Hello, where could I find help with my stupid webcam, I'm desperate :-(
[04:01] <thomas> ubuntu: then sudo chown <your user name> /where/you/mounted/it
[04:01] <not-a-bot> Why won't it show up as /dev/video1 ?
[04:01] <thomas> ubuntu: if you had patience you would have let me finish typing.
[04:01] <ugarit> how does one install new themes in gnome?  I just downloaded http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=31618
[04:01] <superjew9020> does any1 no y everytime my screensaver comes on my whole computer locks up
[04:01] <Crippy-Boy> gah, damn mailing lists, Havent opened mail in a couple of days and *BAM*
[04:01] <thomas> ugarit system>preferences>theme
[04:02] <thomas> and import the file you downloaded.
[04:02] <thomas> LOL: your entire etc folder is in a bin on your desktop???
[04:02] <peterocks> superjew9020: i have the same problem but only with certain ones
[04:02] <ubuntu> this ubuntu dealie is somewhat compelling
[04:02] <thomas> ubuntu: absolutely.
[04:02] <peterocks> superjew9020: i havent taken the time to resolve the issue, but i think it may be a driver issue
[04:02] <LOL> thomas, im not sure if its in a "bin" but its on my desktop now, not in / anymore, and it has a little lock icon over it
[04:02] <ugarit> thomas: I did and got this error: file format is invalid
[04:02] <thomas> ubuntu: and even if you still need windows, you don't have to install it per se... check out vmware player.
[04:03] <dzer0> hello
[04:03] <Pelo> ubuntu http://www.linuxcommand.org/index.php
[04:03] <dzer0> I need some help with a few things
[04:03] <ubuntu> thomas: tried experiment installing ubuntu for a DFU... didn't entirely work out.  might try again in a few years
[04:03] <thomas> LOL: is it in a compressed file?
[04:03] <not-a-bot> does noone use a webcam and a tv-card simultaniously here?
[04:03] <superjew9020> o cuz all of the ones that came with my ubuntu always r lockin up
[04:03] <Pelo> ubuntu  http://www.ss64.com/bash/index.html
[04:03] <caminomaster> hi
[04:03] <LOL> thomas doesnt seem like it, just a regular folder
[04:03] <Pelo> ubuntu , just a few linux basics
[04:03] <caminomaster> who can help me with midi?
[04:03] <thomas> ubuntu: follow a vmwareplayer qemu for windows guide. you can install ubuntu inside windows.
[04:03] <ubuntu> thomas: nah... I like my windows stuff to run full speed.  I might use freebsd or ubuntu or such for desktop when I get faster hardware though..
[04:03] <espresso> help!! I can't find where I hid my php.ini file
[04:03] <thomas> ubuntu: just until you get used to it.
[04:03] <dzer0> 1, I have 2 displays, a dell 2405fpw at 1920x1200 and a cheap 1280x1024, and I cant get the dell to run at full res, and the second monitor wont work at all
[04:04] <dzer0> 2, I need to find an XGL tutorial
[04:04] <ubuntu> Pelo: I'm a Unix sysadmin, not a newbie :)
[04:04] <thomas> ubuntu: you are using a livecd. installed ubuntu is at least twice as fast.
[04:04] <thomas> !res
[04:04] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:04] <Pelo> dzer0  there was one on diggs a few days ago , do a search
[04:05] <bioticpro> what is a good program to convert avi to animated gif in linux?
[04:05] <Phuzion> Alright, I think I officially screwed up apt, every time I try to do apt-cache search (anything), I get this:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22973
[04:05] <thomas> and dzer0, rather than telling us what model of computer you have, more importantly is what kind of graphics card you have.
[04:05] <ubuntu> thomas: I'm well aware of that.  I'm just not sure it's ready yet
[04:05] <Phuzion> What did I do?
[04:05] <thomas> ubuntu: take it from me... it is definitely ready.
[04:05] <LOL> thomas, how can i change the permission of the ect folder through a command?
[04:05] <Pulshion> hi, does anyone know programs that can crack .rar password?
[04:05] <dzer0> thomas: didn't say model of computer, said model of monitor, and I am using an nvidia 7600 GT on PCI-E
[04:05] <thomas> ubuntu: try installing it in a virtual machine in windows.
[04:05] <ubuntu> thomas: dunno.  another thing is a lot of my income comes from online poker, and I'd need online poker clients to run ... they don't
[04:06] <dzer0> also, what's the apt command to search for a package?
[04:06] <ubuntu> thomas: meh... I've done that with every OS... :)
[04:06] <thomas> LOL: you didn't answer my question. exactly where are the contents of your /etc folder now? and are they in a compressed folder?
[04:06] <Pulshion> hi, does anyone know programs that can crack .rar password?
[04:06] <LOL> dzero apt-cache search programname
[04:06] <LOL> thomas, i said that im not sure what you mean, its just a regular folder
[04:06] <thomas> dzer0: you need to install the 3d nvidia drivers. they are in apt i believe.
[04:06] <ubuntu> dzer0: man apt...  if you use "/searchterm" when you are in manual page viewer, it will search for a string.  then hit enter again or n for next occurence of string
[04:06] <thomas> LOL in /etc on your desktop?
[04:07] <ubuntu> thomas: also wtf is with the black on white terminal by default? >:P
[04:07] <LOL> thomas... yeah i accidentaly moved the /etc/ folder to my desktop... now i cant move it back to /
[04:07] <thomas> ubuntu: sorry its not white on black like windows.
[04:07] <Pulshion> hi, does anyone know programs that can crack .rar password?
[04:07] <Renan_s2> Pulshion: it is impossible to crack RAR password.
[04:07] <dzer0> thomas: how would I go about doing that? not really the best linux user ever
[04:07] <ubuntu> thomas: white on black isn't a windows thing... it's a common sense thing!
[04:07] <thomas> LOL: do sudo cp /home/<user>/Desktop/etc/ /etc/
[04:08] <Pulshion> Renan_s2 -- i seen it being done
[04:08] <eyequeue> ubuntu, much easier on the eyes
[04:08] <Renan_s2> Pulshion: then you would need some "brute-force" atack method
[04:08] <thomas> ubuntu: you can change the setting if it annoys you. but black on white tends to blend in with every other program known to man.
[04:08] <eyequeue> ubuntu, a white background is like staring at a lightbulb
[04:08] <Pulshion> Renan_s2 -- anything in linux?
[04:08] <LOL> thomas : sudo: uid 1000 does not exist in the passwd file!
[04:08] <Phuzion> Alright, I think I officially screwed up apt, every time I try to do apt-cache search (anything), I get this:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22973
[04:09] <ubuntu> eyequeue: exactly
[04:09] <dzer0> how do I install the nvidia 3d drivers?
[04:09] <eyequeue> ubuntu, white on black is much less irritating
[04:09] <sproingie> Phuzion: actually i think that's just the mirrors acting up
[04:09] <ubuntu> eyequeue: uhm, again, exactly.  that's what I said above :)
[04:09] <Phuzion> Oh?
[04:10] <[WA] dlichterman> Help, I borked my xserver trying to install the radeon drivers and all I get it a black screen.   I am trying to install apache 1.3 but I dont know what the package is called
[04:10] <sproingie> Phuzion: try another mirror.  i've had good luck with uk.archive.ubuntu.com
[04:10] <thomas> Most web pages are black on white...
[04:10] <sproingie> Phuzion: if you change the mirrors, you have to apt-get update of course
[04:10] <sharp> mp4's don't work...
[04:10] <thomas> how many programs have a black background?
[04:10] <Phuzion> sproingie:  just change us.ubuntu to uk.ubuntu?
[04:10] <dzer0> thomas: should I install nvidia-glx? is that the one?
[04:10] <LOL> thomas, can you give me the command to change the permissions on /etc/ so i can move it?
[04:10] <eyequeue> thomas, and that makes it what?  mass stupidity?
[04:10] <thomas> sharp: install gstreamer plugins.
[04:10] <sharp> thomas, did
[04:10] <sproingie> Phuzion: or pick a country code til one works :)
[04:10] <ubuntu> web page has more colors and more black on it than a terminal window though
[04:11] <thomas> dzer0: i don't know, i don't use nvidia, but if i were to guess, i'd say those were them.
[04:11] <Phuzion> sproingie:  thanks
[04:11] <truNWA> hello
[04:11] <eyequeue> thomas, they probably are mimicing a redmond company or something
[04:11] <sharp> thomas, installed gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse (and the rest of them)
[04:11] <thomas> LOL: that also requires sudo. how did you mess up your sudo? you do have a root password right?
[04:11] <gran1> Anyone know the answer to my question regarding searching for a package name with apt-get?
[04:11] <corsair> ok this wireless thing is a total bunch of **** with the 4318.  Darn thing says i have a connection.  the network says there is a signal. but network-manager says there are no connections and wont wont provide a selection for setting one up.  Any ideas
[04:11] <LOL> thomas, yeah i have my root pass
[04:11] <champ`measure> I want to install Ubuntu onto a new computer, I made the CD already out of the ISO file that I downloaded. But when I put in the CD I get an error : Emm386 : Warning : Address line A20 already enabled. Anyone able to help me out?
[04:12] <thomas> corsair, are you using WPA?
[04:12] <corsair> i would like to and wpasupplicant is installed
[04:12] <LOL> thomas i guess the sudo got messed up becuase its located in /ect/ ? im not sure... i would log on my root account and move it but im afraid ubuntu wont start up if i restart
[04:12] <thomas> LOL oh yeah.. lol
[04:12] <phiwum2> Hey ho.  Ubuntu newbie here.  I'm a long time Slackware user, so I don't know diddly about packaging systems like apt.
[04:12] <thomas> LOL su root
[04:12] <thomas> LOL: i hope you can do that.
[04:12] <Phuzion> Yeah, this isn't working
[04:12] <phiwum2> I need to get an older version of a package.  How do I do that?
[04:13] <Phuzion> I'm getting to 44% on updating the first mirror
[04:13] <dzer0> shit, how do I run the display setup again? it detected my SECOND monitor as my first
[04:13] <thomas> Phivum2: check out synaptic
[04:13] <Phuzion> And it just locks
[04:13] <LOL> thomas, it doesnt change anything omg
[04:13] <bluefusionxl> anyone know how i change welcome messages for proftpd?
[04:13] <ubuntu> thomas: uhm, I still can't get regular user to get access to mounted win partition
[04:13] <jaytee> I just loaded Ubuntu for the first time tonight. I loaded it on one of my computers that was running Windows Server 2003 and now it dual boots and runs great!
[04:13] <phiwum2> thomas: I know how to get packages, but not older versions.
[04:13] <thomas> LOL: don't worry, its not the end of the world..
[04:13] <ubuntu> bluefusionxl: /etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf ?
[04:13] <thomas> LOL: if you can't use sudo or root, you can use a livecd to do it.
[04:13] <[WA] dlichterman> Can someone help me fix my xserver, I installed the CVS versions to try to get 3d acceleration, and All I get it a black screen
[04:13] <thomas> LOL: you just need to mount your / partition and your home partition.
[04:13] <LOL> thomas >.< its my first perfect install of ubuntu, ill throw my computer out of the window and kill myself afterwards if i cant fix this without reinstalling ubuntu
[04:14] <bluefusionxl> No such file or directory.. plus its not in the config
[04:14] <dzer0> grr, use nv driver or nvidia driver? whats the difference?
[04:14] <thomas> bluefusionxl: check out gproftpd
[04:14] <Crippy-Boy> LOL: You dont need to reinstall, Just boot the live cd and move etc back
[04:14] <corsair> i removed and reinstalled the network-manager.  Are there some files I need to mess with to get it to do its thing?
[04:14] <stephans> anyone used google earth on 606 with res 1280x800?
[04:14] <eyequeue> phiwum2, tried "man apt-get" yet?
[04:14] <phiwum2> eyequeue: I did, but I missed the relevant bits!
[04:14] <champ`measure> I want to install Ubuntu onto a new computer, I made the CD already out of the ISO file that I downloaded. But when I put in the CD I get an error : Emm386 : Warning : Address line A20 already enabled. Anyone able to help me out?
[04:14] <thomas> LOL: use a live cd, mount both partitions, and then use sudo cp
[04:15] <eyequeue> phiwum2,               A specific version of a package can be selected for installation
[04:15] <Phuzion> So, can someone verify if <IP_ADDRESS> (uk.archive.ubuntu.com) is working?
[04:15] <LOL> thomas or crippy-boy, how do i do that? can you type out the commands i would need to input?
[04:15] <jesus_> why amsn dot works properly on ubuntu?
[04:15] <ubuntu> Soooo how do I either 1) Phuzion responds to ping
[04:15] <thomas> champ`measure: did you get the cd off of the ubuntu site or mirror?
[04:15] <brian98> right I'm ditching me ati card and about to put ina new nvidia
[04:15] <eyequeue> phiwum2, you know less commands no doubt, grep for that line
[04:15] <phiwum2> eyequeue: Thanks!
[04:15] <ubuntu> Phuzion: responds to ping
[04:15] <brian98> more fun and games no doubt
[04:15] <eyequeue> phiwum2, sure thing
[04:15] <Phuzion> ubuntu:  I figured that, it gets to 44% then stalls
[04:15] <champ`measure> thomas: I downloaded the .iso file off the wedsite
[04:15] <ubuntu> So... how do I either 1) mount filesystem so regular user can read it or 2) launch a file browser as root ?
[04:16] <thomas> <IP_ADDRESS> is working
[04:16] <KanRiNiN> Hey guys, I'm searching in the forums right now, I installed Network Manager-gnome through Synaptic, but I get nm: 'a.out': No such file
[04:16] <ubuntu> Phuzion: shrug.  quit and start again?
[04:16] <Phuzion> apt and apptitude don't work
[04:16] <robin_> greets. A problem. Firefox won't prompt to save passes on certain banking sites but konqueror always does. Is there something specific to be done to enable this ?
[04:16] <sethk> KanRiNiN, nm is not the name of the file
[04:16] <ubuntu> Working pretty good, too.  Tried my damndest to flood it and only 2% packet loss!
[04:17] <sethk> KanRiNiN, nm is the utility to dump the symbols from an executable file.
[04:17] <ubuntu> robin_: forums.mozillazine.org
[04:17] <sethk> KanRiNiN, the default file name to use is a.out
[04:17] <sethk> KanRiNiN, since there is no file a.out, you get that message
[04:17] <sethk> KanRiNiN, but why are you trying to run nm in the first place?
[04:17] <dzer0> what's the command to restart linux?
[04:17] <dzer0> i mean
[04:17] <dzer0> lol
[04:17] <dzer0> xgl
[04:17] <thomas> LOL: you there?
[04:17] <ubuntu> dzer0: uh, reboot ?
[04:17] <sethk> dzer0, shutdown -r now
[04:17] <Crippy-Boy> sudo reboot.
[04:17] <LOL> thomas yup
[04:17] <sethk> dzer0, with sudo if you aren't root
[04:18] <KanRiNiN> My roomate's router is wpa, so like the forum said, I downloaded wpa supplicant and network manager, and I'd really really like netowrk manager to work..
[04:18] <KanRiNiN> I'm just not sure how to trouble shoot it
[04:18] <thomas> LOL: don't shutdown the computer, just hold the power button down. then use a livecd.
[04:18] <sethk> KanRiNiN, for some reason you think network manager is somehow related to nm
[04:18] <sethk> KanRiNiN, nm is a program completely unrelated to network manager
[04:18] <ubuntu> So... how do I either 1) mount filesystem so regular user can read it or 2) launch a file browser as root ?
[04:18] <LOL> thomas im not sure if i have a livecd, i have the ubuntu install cd (dapper) and i guess failsafe from GRUB is the same thing, am i right?
[04:18] <Crippy-Boy> Whoops, lol, I think dzer0 wanted to restart xgl :D well, looks like that did the job anyway :D
[04:19] <[WA] dlichterman> Can someone help me fix my xserver, I installed the CVS versions to try to get 3d acceleration, and All I get it a black screen
[04:19] <sethk> KanRiNiN, and the computer really doesn't care that there is another program, somewhere, that starts with n and has an m in it
[04:19] <fastoy> Can anybody help with ubuntu on ThinkPad 600E?   I think in dapper it is NetworkManager
[04:20] <KanRiNiN> yea ok, sudo NetworkManager, but nothing happens just like at startup.  sethk isn't there a grep or something I can use
[04:20] <sethk> KanRiNiN, grep finds strings inside of files, has nothing to help you here.
[04:20] <sethk> KanRiNiN, it isn't possible that nothing happens
[04:20] <Crippy-Boy> fastoy: have you already installed or are you trying to boot the live cd?
[04:21] <sethk> KanRiNiN, it can say "no such program".  It can do something and return you to a prompt.  it absolutely _cannot_ do nothing.
[04:21] <fastoy> Crippy-Booting Live CD. 192 MB RAM
[04:21] <BHSPitLappy> hi all.
[04:21] <KanRiNiN> sethk: then it returns to prompt
[04:21] <fastoy> Turned off QuickBoot in BIOS.
[04:21] <RawSewage_> Anime video has dual tracks:  English and Japanese.  What tool do I use to set a video file's Default to Japanese and not English
[04:21] <sethk> KanRiNiN, ok, that means it found the program.  It may be running and you don't realize it.
[04:21] <Crippy-Boy> fastoy: im not sure then, Try using the alternate or the server install cd, I installed with the server cd on here (Thinkpad T23)
[04:21] <sethk> KanRiNiN, are you on the desktop or in a console?
[04:22] <KanRiNiN> console
[04:22] <KanRiNiN> well
[04:22] <bman> How do I change the timezone from the console?
[04:22] <KanRiNiN> I have a terminal open
[04:22] <ubuntu_newbie> sethk: i stil havin truble printin form dis damn ting
[04:22] <fastoy> Crippy-Ok. I thought this was supposed to be "easy."
[04:22] <BHSPitLappy> I have a big dependency circle, seemingly revolving around lbc6 <IP_ADDRESS>, and it prevents me from installing a bunch of stuff. heard of this?
[04:22] <sethk> KanRiNiN, that's nice, but you are on the desktop?
[04:22] <phiwum2> eyequeue: Can I see what versions are available?
[04:22] <KanRiNiN> yes
[04:22] <sethk> KanRiNiN, do this:   ps aux | grep -i network
[04:22] <eyequeue> phiwum2, apt-cache show foo | less
[04:22] <sethk> KanRiNiN, see if anything shows up.
[04:22] <phiwum2> eyequeue: Thanks again.
[04:22] <Crippy-Boy> fastoy: It normally is :P, I have no idea why the lice cd hangs for you, But i had a few problems with the live cd installing on other computers so i never bother with it now.
[04:23] <Crippy-Boy> live*
[04:23] <sethk> KanRiNiN, what you were probably trying to ask before is whether there is a utility to find out where the file NetworkManager is.  There is such a utility, but it won't help you.
[04:23] <eyequeue> phiwum2, no prob
[04:23] <fastoy> Seems like there are lots of problems with TPs. I just had one lying around.
[04:23] <sethk> KanRiNiN, because, when you are returned to the prompt with no error message, that means NetworkManager was found.
[04:23] <stormchas3r> anyone know anything about the Ubuntu Certified Pro Exam?
[04:23] <fastoy> Crippy-Thanks.
[04:23] <sethk> KanRiNiN, you can do   which NetworkManager    and it will show you where it is
[04:23] <thomas> stormchas3r: sounds like a scam.
[04:23] <sethk> KanRiNiN, that's if your report is accurate.
[04:24] <KanRiNiN> ok I got the report back from the first command
[04:24] <sethk> stormchas3r, sure, you send me money, and you get a certificate and a secred decoder ring
[04:24] <KanRiNiN> synaptic installed it to sbin
[04:24] <KanRiNiN> so I need to link it to bin right?
[04:24] <KanRiNiN> so it starts when my user starts?
[04:24] <stormchas3r> sethk, really, little orphan annie style
[04:24] <ubuntu_newbie> yo...can anyone help mi print to a windows print server?
[04:24] <stormchas3r> sethk, better drink your ovaltine
[04:24] <sethk> KanRiNiN, I think network manager doesn't do what you think it does.
[04:24] <corsair> ok, so where are the files the must be edited so that the system can do wpa without network-manager cause its not working for me either.   the icon is there and it shows the wired connections but nothing for wireless
[04:24] <sethk> KanRiNiN, network manager is a program to allow you to configure the network
[04:25] <sethk> KanRiNiN, it has nothing to do with starting the network when you boot.
[04:25] <sethk> KanRiNiN, once the network is configured properly it will start at boot.
[04:25] <thomas> corsair: i'm certain it won't connect to a wireless network while you're wired.
[04:25] <mbvo> I'm trying to set up a windows/linux network but sometimes i can see the computers sometimes i can't(right now i can't)
[04:25] <KanRiNiN> sethk:  I have no problem starting any network when I boot.  iwconfig and ifconfig take care of that.  I wanted a program to browse wifi signals.
[04:25] <sethk> KanRiNiN, the question now is why, when you run NetworkManager, you don't see the program on the desktop.
[04:25] <KanRiNiN> sethk: if that's not the correct program, can you recommend one
[04:25] <KanRiNiN> nice inductive reasoning
[04:25] <KanRiNiN> ..
[04:26] <sethk> KanRiNiN, network manager can be used to browse wireless networks, although it calls another program to do it.
[04:26] <KanRiNiN> bingo
[04:26] <KanRiNiN> missing 1 essential program
[04:26] <sethk> KanRiNiN, someone, what's the name of that program to browse networks?   wifi-radar?  something like that...
[04:26] <KanRiNiN> possibly.  but also shouldn't there be an applet for network manager?
[04:26] <sethk> KanRiNiN, yes
[04:26] <KanRiNiN> wifi rader is pretty useless
[04:26] <corsair> Thomas, ok but it didnt do anythign while it was not wired either.. i had eth0 disabled and it had no options
[04:26] <KanRiNiN> I wanted to try a different program
[04:26] <sethk> KanRiNiN, there is at least one other
[04:27] <thomas> corsair: I don't know, i have used a wireless network in ubuntu
[04:27] <sethk> someone?  programs to browse wireless networks?
[04:27] <thomas> !wireless
[04:27] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:27] <thomas> all i can say..
[04:27] <ubuntu_newbie> im gonna switch bak to windows
[04:27] <sethk> thomas, that's a start.
[04:27] <ubuntu_newbie> this printing problem is unreal
[04:27] <thomas> ubuntu_newbie what printer do you have?
[04:27] <ubuntu_newbie> hp deskjet 3740
[04:27] <sethk> ubuntu_newbie, if it is better for you, then by all means run it.
[04:27] <thomas> ubuntu_newbie: and is it on a windows computer?
[04:27] <ubuntu_newbie> thomas:yeah
[04:27] <mbvo> I'm trying to set up a windows/linux network but sometimes i can see the computers sometimes i can't(right now i can't), can someone help me?
[04:28] <thomas> ubuntu_newbie: i think you need to login using the username/password of the windows computer.
[04:28] <ubuntu_newbie> thomas: its on a windows domain controller
[04:28] <sethk> thomas, I think his problem is that samba has to authenticate with his domain server.  the printer is attached to his domain server.
[04:28] <thomas> ubuntu_newbie: try that.
[04:28] <ubuntu_newbie> thomas:i did but no dice
[04:28] <corsair> ubotu: btw those docs are less than useful for 4318
[04:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about btw those docs are less than useful for 4318 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:29] <phiwum2> ubuntu_newbie: Setting up printers to work with Windows domain controllers can be a pain in the ass.  But that's the fault of MS!  Anyway, it can be done.
[04:29] <ubuntu_newbie> phiwum2: any howtos on the situation
[04:29] <phiwum2> ubuntu_newbie: I've done it, but it was a while back.
[04:29] <thomas> ubuntu_newbie: that frustrated me for a bit too. but when i moved my other computer over to ubuntu... i had no problems.
[04:29] <[WA] dlichterman> can someone please help me fix my xserver.    Nothing works past that.  I have tried reinstalling the xserver-xorg-core and nothing.
[04:29] <jediborger> Can I get some help with fixing my ATI driver?
[04:29] <phiwum2> ubuntu_newbie: I'm afraid I'm not an expert at all!
[04:29] <corsair> i have and have fresh instaled on this laptop at least 9 time tring different howtos  its feel hopless =(
[04:29] <phiwum2> jediborger: What card?
[04:29] <thomas> !ati
[04:30] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:30] <jediborger> RAdeon 9200
[04:30] <ubuntu_newbie> phiwum2: damn..
[04:30] <jediborger> I had it working with the included driver
[04:30] <phiwum2> ubuntu_newbie: I can send you my cups config file.
[04:30] <ubuntu_newbie> phiwum2: so you dont remember anything that you did?
[04:30] <ubuntu> thomas: I can't manage to install gnomebaker from the LiveCD
[04:30] <jediborger> but decided to install EasyUbuntu's driver since it said it was better
[04:30] <thomas> so reinstall the radeon driver, it might fix something.
[04:30] <bohemian> (WA)dli.. tried running sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg  ?
[04:30] <[WA] dlichterman> will do right now.....
[04:30] <phiwum2> ubuntu_newbie: This was a Slackware box, not an Ubuntu box.
[04:30] <[WA] dlichterman> im in recovery mode
[04:30] <jediborger> problem now is it's worse
[04:30] <thomas> ubuntu: really. I could install software running a livecd before.
[04:30] <ubuntu_newbie> o
[04:30] <Gevaudan82> Guys, what's the name of the os-x dock like menu launcher for gnome?
[04:30] <[WA] dlichterman> so that means no sudo right cause im as root
[04:31] <thomas> ubuntu: how much ram do you have?
[04:31] <phiwum2> ubuntu_newbie: but it should be similar.
[04:31] <jediborger> so how do I reinstall the oringinal driver?
[04:31] <ubuntu> thomas: 256
[04:31] <bohemian> there is no need to sudo if you are root
[04:31] <corsair> is it hard to get 2.17.xx kernel compiled in dapper cause I read that it has native support for broadcom wifi
[04:31] <ubuntu_newbie> phiwum2: the problem is that it might have problems and considering the fact that im a n00b i wouldnt have the slightest idea of what to do lol
[04:31] <ubuntu> thomas: I think the issue might be with me not computer maybe >:P  I can't find it with a synaptic search and apt-get install gnomebaker sez it can't find it
[04:31] <jazzrocker> corsair, that comes down to "is it hard to get a kernel compiled" <- answer is no
[04:32] <[WA] dlichterman> k what should have happened, it just flashed adn then back to CLI
[04:32] <phiwum2> ubuntu_newbie: I understand that.
[04:32] <jazzrocker> corsair, you won't have the ubuntu specific patches... but you can still compile just about any kernel... it has more to do with *your* hardware than ubuntu itself
[04:32] <corsair> guess ill try that.. seems like my last hope
[04:32] <jediborger> So does anyone know how to reinstall the ATI driver that comes with Ubuntu?
[04:32] <bohemian> (WA)dli...  try a reboot now
[04:32] <LOL> ok thomas, im in livecd
[04:32] <jazzrocker> jediborger, reinstall?
[04:32] <thomas> LOL excellent!
[04:32] <phiwum2> ubuntu_newbie: But this is not a good reason to give up!  Send me an email.
[04:32] <ubuntu> thomas: you sure gnomebaker is name of package ??
[04:32] <[WA] dlichterman> bohemian thanks rebooting now
[04:33] <jediborger> jazzrocker: yeah how do you?
[04:33] <phiwum2> ubuntu_newbie: I don't know that I can help, but I'll try<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:33] <jazzrocker> jediborger, uhhh, why do you need to do that?
[04:33] <jazzrocker> jediborger, and why are you under the impression that you need to reinstall your ATI driver
[04:33] <thoreauputic> !info gnomebaker
[04:33] <ubotu> gnomebaker: application for CD/DVD creation in the GNOME desktop. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.1-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 862 kB, installed size 2640 kB
[04:33] <ubuntu_newbie> phiwum2: do you have msn messenger
[04:33] <jediborger> because direct rendering doesn't work the driver Easyubuntu installed
[04:34] <edmundo_v> phiwum2, what are you trying to do?
[04:34] <phiwum2> ubuntu_newbie: No.
[04:34] <jediborger> thus my games under wine don't work anymore
[04:34] <jazzrocker> jediborger, well then you don't want a re-install you want a fresh install
[04:34] <phiwum2> edmundo_v: I'm tussling with an ATI Radeon Xpress 200M
[04:34] <[WA] dlichterman> bohemian I owe you my life, you freaking rock, and this is why ubunutu rules.  Thanks a million
[04:34] <phiwum2> edmundo_v: And I'm new to Ubuntu, but not new to Linux.
[04:34] <jediborger> oh then is there a way to just fix the video driver without reinstalling ubuntu totally?
[04:35] <edmundo_v> oh, not that about the printers
[04:35] <thomas> LOL: are you with me? i'm PMing you.
[04:35] <ubuntu_newbie> phiwum2: the problem is that i cant move the printer because all the other computers on the domain already login to that printer automatcally
[04:35] <feross> anyone know what the hotkey to hide gnome-terminal border is? looked in Keyboard shortcuts but don't see it there..
[04:35] <insub> How can i connect on the internets on Ubintu
[04:35] <LOL> thomas, not getting any PMs =/
[04:35] <phiwum2> edmundo_v: It's ubuntu_newbie that's working with the printer.
[04:35] <sethk> jediborger, yes, you can install drivers without installing the rest of the world.
[04:35] <thomas> LOL okay, mount your partitions.
[04:36] <sethk> feross, probably it isn't set, and you can choose any shortcut you like and configure it.
[04:36] <skybird> wow
[04:36] <skybird> i am here
[04:36] <LOL> one second thomas, ill try registering, maybe thats why it wont let me see the PMs
[04:36] <phiwum2> ubuntu_newbie: I had to talk to a Windows printer at my last job.  Obviously I couldn't move it and I refused to use Windows.
[04:36] <corsair> ah, even better, I can just upgrade to edgy and it has the 2.17 kernal
[04:36] <jediborger> sethk: ok then can someone point me to the driver that ubuntu normally installs so i can install it?
[04:36] <edmundo_v> ubuntu_newbie, what are trying to do?
[04:36] <phiwum2> ubuntu_newbie: I'm sure there are other folks that know more than me, but I'd be willing to help.
[04:36] <ubuntu_newbie> edmundo_v the problem i have is that i cannot connect to the windows printer on my network
[04:36] <Tylerdurderner> thomas, nevermind, it doesnt seem to want to let me do that on Gaim
[04:36] <sethk> jediborger, you said you have an ati board?
[04:36] <vdepizzol> I'm trying to install xubuntu alternate cd in a computer with 64mb of RAM. Then a message appear telling the installer is in "low memory mode" and the installer stops
[04:36] <jediborger> sethk: yes
[04:36] <sethk> !ati
[04:36] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:37] <thomas> tyler don't use gaim.. install xchat.
[04:37] <ubuntu> vdepizzol: more RAM.  probably solved
[04:37] <ubuntu_newbie> and edmundo_v the printer is on the windows domain controller
[04:37] <ubuntu> Tylerdurderner: don't use xchat, use irssi
[04:37] <insub> How can i connect on the internets on Ubintu
[04:37] <vdepizzol> ubuntu, but the help in the installer tells 32mb of RAM
[04:37] <edmundo_v> ubuntu_newbie, I have an epson Stylus CX something (in Windows XP) here and it works nice through my Ubuntu
[04:37] <ubuntu> someone kickban insub
[04:37] <thomas> ubuntu: thanks, but you know, i'm dealing with it.
[04:37] <infidel> ubuntu what's wrong with xchat?
[04:37] <jediborger> ok thanks
[04:38] <thoreauputic> vdepizzol: you might need the alternate CD for a 64MB machine - the installer uses more memory on the desktop CDs
[04:38] <ubuntu_newbie> yes but the problem is edmundo_v this is on a windows 2003 server machine
[04:38] <Gurpartap> ubuntu doesnt detect my realtek rtl 8139D *PCI* ethernet card. any other similar issues? any references? please help me soon
[04:38] <insub> ubuntu, stfu useless failed abortion
[04:38] <ubuntu> ubuntu_newbie: hmmm?
[04:38] <Crippy-Boy> ubuntu: xchat is easier to use
[04:38] <KeithWeisshar> is frozentech the only dvd vendor that is cheap
[04:38] <ubuntu> vdepizzol: shrug.  it's not working ... so... more arm! =)
[04:38] <ubuntu> Crippy-Boy: pssh
[04:38] <Tylerdurderner> thomas ill be right back, ill try getting on xchat
[04:38] <vdepizzol> thoreauputic: but it's the alternate cd :P
[04:38] <thomas> thanks tyler.
[04:38] <ubuntu_newbie> edmundo_v,sethk,phiwum2, thanks for all the help but i have to leave
[04:38] <sethk> Gurpartap, that's very odd; it's a very popular card.
[04:38] <thomas> i know xchat works. i have no idea about irssi.
[04:39] <Crippy-Boy> ubuntu: I never said i use xchat (im using bitchx) just that for most itd be easier to use :-)
[04:39] <Neo8750> irssi > *
[04:39] <ubuntu> insub: please adhere to TOC
[04:39] <Neo8750> thomas: whats wrong with irssi
[04:39] <Gurpartap> sethk: some specs ->
[04:39] <thoreauputic> vdepizzol: ah - well in that case I don't know: have you tried doing a "server" install then doing " sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop" ?
[04:39] <thomas> i don't know, but i'm helping tyler, i want him using xchat because i know how to use that.
[04:39] <phiwum2> eyequeue: Got a moment?
[04:39] <thoreauputic> vdepizzol: type server at the prompt..
[04:39] <Crippy-Boy> Neo8750: Its not exactly the easiest client to use :-)
[04:40] <eyequeue> phiwum2, okay
[04:40] <synchk> Hello, I'm having some issues with NTP.
[04:40] <mymy_> anychance to see blender 2.42 in edgy ?
[04:40] <vdepizzol> thoreauputic: my network card doesn't work on ubuntu, so I don't have internet access on it
[04:40] <thomas> thanks, but if you guys want to finish off helping tyler put his /etc/ folder back in the right place, by all means go ahead. if not, leave me alone with him please. we don't need 50 people telling him what irc program to use.
[04:40] <KeithWeisshar> should i order the ubuntu 6.04.1 dvd or wait fro ubuntu 6.10
[04:40] <Neo8750> Crippy-Boy: much easier then bitchx
[04:40] <sethk> Gurpartap, you did a standard install and it did not find the card?
[04:40] <Gurpartap> mobo: intel 810i, processor: 997MHz p III, 256MB ram
[04:40] <synchk> Whenever I update, the time is always wrong.
[04:40] <thoreauputic> vdepizzol: hmmm :(
[04:40] <eyequeue> !info blender edgy
[04:40] <ubotu> blender: Very fast and versatile 3D modeller/renderer. In component main, is optional. Version 2.41-1ubuntu5 (edgy), package size 4797 kB, installed size 12744 kB
[04:40] <phiwum2> eyequeue: I'm supposed to revert to version 8.24.8 of the fglrx driver, but I don't see it.
[04:40] <Gurpartap> sethk: standard install
[04:40] <sethk> Gurpartap, do    lspci     see if the card shows up in the list
[04:40] <eyequeue> mymy_, no
[04:40] <Phuzion> Alright, I'm seriously pissed off now, I can't figure out how to get apt working
[04:40] <Gurpartap> ok
[04:40] <synchk>  8 Sep 22:39:41 ntpdate[27765] : adjust time server <IP_ADDRESS> offset 0.022075 sec
[04:40] <synchk> It is always .02 seconds off.
[04:40] <eyequeue> !schedule > mymy_
[04:41] <Neo8750> Phuzion: whats wrong?
[04:41] <Crippy-Boy> Neo8750, Maybe so but he's helping the guy so he chose an easy to use client that he's familiar with :-)
[04:41] <thoreauputic> vdepizzol: you should still be able to apt-get xubuntu-desktop from the Cd itself
[04:41] <phiwum2> eyequeue: I'm looking at http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide
[04:41] <fatbrain> Hello, I have a 5-button mouse, is there a way I can get Ubuntu to recognize is?
[04:41] <thoreauputic> vdepizzol: the packages are there on th alternate CD
[04:41] <phiwum2> eyequeue: And maybe that version works better for my card.
[04:41] <Phuzion> Neo8750:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22973 when I do apt-get update
[04:41] <melon> is xmms already in the latest desktop release of ubuntu?
[04:41] <Phuzion> i mean
[04:41] <eyequeue> phiwum2, fglrx is not within my experience
[04:41] <Phuzion> apt-cache search (anything_
[04:41] <phiwum2> eyequeue: Okay, thanks.
[04:41] <sethk> synchk, the time resolution is larger than .02, so that means nothing
[04:41] <vdepizzol> thoreauputic: and to install the cd, how I do? apt-cdrom?
[04:42] <eyequeue> phiwum2, perhaps google fglrx and the version number and .deb?
[04:42] <mtholdenss> howcome when i follow this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager  to install xgl and compiz it doesnt work but when i follow this  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=222034   it works...
[04:42] <vdepizzol> thoreauputic: *install the packages of the cd
[04:42] <thoreauputic> vdepizzol: it should be added to the /etc/apt/sources.list I think - but yes, apt-cdrom add should also work
[04:42] <edmundo_v> fatbrain, xorg has some options to set buttons and map them
[04:42] <thomas> or maybe.. search fglrx in synaptic... its in there.
[04:42] <Tylerdurdener> !nick
[04:42] <eyequeue> !xgl > mtholdenss
[04:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nick - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:42] <thomas> tyler
[04:42] <fatbrain> edmundo_v: thanks
[04:42] <thomas> tyler are you in xchat?
[04:42] <vdepizzol> thoreauputic: very thank you. I'm going todo this now
[04:43] <Tylerdurdener> thomas yup
[04:43] <thomas> k
[04:43] <edmundo_v> I used it to switch buttons in my one finger strange mouse
[04:43] <thomas> you see my pms them
[04:43] <thomas> then*
[04:43] <thoreauputic> vdepizzol: note that 64MB is really close to the bare minimum - it will be slow I suspect
[04:43] <Tylerdurdener> not yet.. im pretty sure i have to register my nickname first, i forgot the command, i thought it was /nickserv register but it doesnt work
[04:43] <vdepizzol> thoreauputic: i know :P
[04:43] <synchk> sethk: what? I just want a time that is perfectly right.
[04:43] <thomas> tyler its /nick -- your name
[04:43] <thoreauputic> vdepizzol: if you can put in more ram, do so :)
[04:44] <vdepizzol> thoreauputic: also didn't work the server instalation
[04:44] <thoreauputic> vdepizzol: define "didn't work"
[04:44] <maple1> dear aunt, let's set double the killer delete select all
[04:44] <Phuzion> brb, any messages to me, please send them in PM
[04:44] <Crippy-Boy> its /msg nickserv register <pass>
[04:44] <thoreauputic> !doesn't work
[04:44] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[04:44] <Tylerdurdener> thomas /nick just changes my nickname
[04:44] <Crippy-Boy> Tylerdurdener: /msg nickserv register <pass>
[04:45] <mymy_> !schedule
[04:45] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[04:45] <phiwum2> eyequeue: Thanks again for the suggestion.  I didn't find a .deb, but I found the driver for that version.
[04:45] <wthww>
[04:45] <eyequeue> phiwum2, cool
[04:45] <vdepizzol> thoreauputic: it didn't work like my last try to install xubuntu: I defined the language, the keyboard layout, then the instalation setup some modules and the screen got blue
[04:45] <Tylerdurdener> Crippy-Boy, doesnt look like its working :(
[04:46] <thoreauputic> vdepizzol: have you tried asking in #xubuntu ?
[04:46] <Crippy-Boy> Tylerdurdener: Well try /msg nickserv identify <pass> and see what it says, You might have registered.
[04:46] <sethk> synchk, there is no such thing
[04:46] <vdepizzol> thoreauputic: the problem isn't with xubuntu, is with the alternate instalation
[04:47] <sethk> synchk, any machine as a maximum resolution it can deal with.
[04:47] <zebedee> where would one be able to get an existing valid source tarball pls  re trying to makefile for rtl8180l w/lan ? Thanks :-)
[04:47] <Neo8750> Phuzion: it may just be the mirror near you is down
[04:47] <sethk> synchk, after all, it has a clock.  the shortest time interval it can measure is limited by the clock speed
[04:47] <Neo8750> try again later
[04:47] <thoreauputic> vdepizzol: have you been able to install linux on this machine before?
[04:47] <sethk> synchk, plus, the NTP protocol does not correct the time to .02
[04:47] <synchk> sethk: My clock speed is 3.8ghz.
[04:47] <Tylerdurdener> Crippy-Boy it goes through but i dont get any input other than what i pmed it
[04:47] <synchk> sethk: This is much higer than .02s.
[04:47] <Phuzion> back
[04:48] <sethk> synchk, indeed, I was just using that as an illustration
[04:48] <sethk> synchk, however, there is nothing that the machine can do in a single clock tick
[04:48] <Phuzion> So, can someone help me out with my problem with apt?
[04:48] <synchk> sethk: Wrong. Else the machine would never get a single thing done.
[04:48] <sethk> synchk, really?  how do you figure that?  :)
[04:49] <synchk> sethk: If it doesn't get anything done in a single cycle, it gets nothing done in the second, or the third, or the nth.
[04:49] <sethk> synchk, nonsense
[04:49] <sethk> synchk, I'll give you an example
[04:49] <adam> woot! the ubuntu install worked, and im now a user!
[04:49] <synchk> sethk: Partial work _must_ be done in a single cycle, else no work would ever be done.
[04:49] <Phuzion> synchk:  I think he was implying entire tasks, such as calculations
[04:50] <Tylerdurdener> thomas are you still here?
[04:50] <sethk> synchk, it wants to read a byte from the memory.  when the clock is low, it sets up the address.  when the clock goes high, the memory controller grabs the address.
[04:50] <abo> welcome, adam!
[04:50] <sethk> synchk, while the clock is still high, the memory controller pulls down a line to the cpu that tells the cpu to wait
[04:50] <zebedee> adam:enjoy
[04:50] <adam> you bet!
[04:50] <eyequeue> congrats adam
[04:50] <abo> adam, it's a very good feeling, isnt's it!
[04:50] <synchk> sethk: So it's still getting things done in a single cycle..
[04:50] <Nox2k3> Hey I'm trying to get DRI to work with the open source Radeon driver on a 200M. The kernel says the driver loaded but I get no device nodes in /dev/drm and X complains about not being able to open the device nodes that don't exist.
[04:50] <sethk> synak, when the clock goes low, the memory controller shifts part of the address to the memory address bus.
[04:51] <sethk> synak, the memory controller then waits a preset number of clock ticks, typically three, to allow the address bus to settle.
[04:51] <Phuzion> Neo8750:  I have tried a few mirrors
[04:51] <Phuzion> And other people have verified that they work
[04:51] <adam> well, in the past 6 hours, i think i have learned the equivelant of my extensive knowledge of HTML. its a mind boggling experience, and i have so much more ahead of me
[04:51] <sethk> synchk, after the settling time, the memory controller drives a line to the memory itself, telling the memory to grab the address.
[04:52] <synchk> sethk: Work is still done in a single cycle.
[04:52] <sethk> synchk, I could go on, but you get the idea.  Nothing happens in less than about 20 clock ticks, and most things take much much longer.
[04:52] <Nox2k3> I'm using 2.6.15-26-k7 and ATI Technologies Inc ATI Radeon XPRESS 200M 5955 (PCIE) (1002:5955)
[04:52] <sethk> synchk, not from the perspective of the processor.  and not for the purposes of this discussion, which is to think about the resolution that the processor is capable of detecting when synchronizing the time.
[04:52] <Tylerdurdener> thomas, do you have aim i could talk to you with?
[04:52] <vdepizzol> thoreauputic: I started the old ubuntu on this 64mb ram computer, and typed apt-get install xubuntu-desktop. It's working! :P then I can use apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop?
[04:53] <sethk> synchk, NTP is extremely complicated, and is actually a marvel, but it has limits.
[04:53] <zebedee> adam:yep but so few crashes
[04:53] <sethk> synchk, because it uses the public internet and nothing on the 'net can be guaranteed, in terms of the time between sending and receiving a packet.
[04:53] <synchk> sethk: All modern processors are fully capable of handling .02s of time resolution. It is Ubuntu's failure of a NTP implementation which is at fault.
[04:53] <vdepizzol> thoreauputic: sorry for my bad english :S
[04:53] <thoreauputic> vdepizzol: that won't remove gnome - it's a meta-package only
[04:53] <carlo> can anyone help me to understand this error: W: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/b/bind9/libbind9-0_9.3.2-2ubuntu1.1_i386.deb
[04:53] <carlo>   Could not connect to localhost:4001 (<IP_ADDRESS>). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[04:53] <thomas_> tyler?
[04:53] <thoreauputic> vdepizzol: but installing xubuntu-desktop at least fives you xfce4 :)
[04:53] <synchk> sethk: There is no logical reason that my clock should be constantly .02s seconds off.
[04:54] <thomas_> sorry i think i dropped.
[04:54] <thoreauputic> * gives
[04:54] <thoreauputic> synchk: why are you worried about a .02 sec inaccuracy?
[04:55] <mtholdenss> get it synced with a server...
[04:55] <thomas_> as long as one second is actually equal to one second. all that matters
[04:55] <synchk> thoreauputic: I am a power user and run tasks which demand scientific accuracy. I also do not like unsync'd clocks.
[04:55] <Phuzion> mtholdness:  he does sync it with a server
[04:55] <Tylerdurderner> thomas_ did you get the whisper?
[04:55] <thoreauputic> carlo apparently apt thinks your repos are on your machine ( <IP_ADDRESS> )
[04:55] <mtholdenss> oh try diff servers then
[04:56] <thoreauputic> synchk: ntp not working for you ?
[04:56] <thomas_> tyler yeah
[04:56] <thomas_> you get mine?
[04:56] <vdepizzol> thoreauputic: :).. so, then I can't remove gnome?
[04:56] <mtholdenss> how do u know if ntp is working?
[04:56] <Tylerdurderner> nope, weird
[04:56] <Tylerdurderner> do you have aim thomas_?
[04:56] <bohemian> Anyone here had any issues with wine after updating to dapper from breezy? I have found the window behaviour quite strange
[04:56] <abo> how can I install xubuntu?
[04:57] <thomas_> mtholdness if you set it to periodically update, it does. every boot, and every so often in between.
[04:57] <mtholdenss> how can i updrade to edgy betas?
[04:57] <thomas_> tyler yeah
[04:57] <thoreauputic> vdepizzol: you can, but it's a bit involved - look at deborphan and debfoster packages
[04:57] <mtholdenss> upgrade*
[04:57] <Tylerdurderner> abo you can do sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[04:57] <Tylerdurderner> i believe abo
[04:57] <bohemian> abo  open synaptic and search for xubuntu
[04:57] <synchk> thoreauputic:  8 Sep 22:57:19 ntpdate[28667] : adjust time server <IP_ADDRESS> offset -0.010738 sec
[04:57] <thomas_> tyler what's your aim?
[04:57] <abo> ok thanx
[04:57] <Tylerdurderner> thomas_, msg me on hackershocker
[04:57] <bohemian> mark it for installation and aplpy
[04:57] <bohemian> apply
[04:57] <mtholdenss> edgy install?
[04:57] <carlo> thoreauputic any suggestions as to how this happened or how to fix?
[04:58] <synchk> thoreauputic: Ubuntu's NTP seems to be innaccurate to +/-.02 seconds.
[04:58] <thoreauputic> synchk: OK - I missed your earlier posts, but evidently ntp is working
[04:58] <thomas_> tyler add me?
[04:58] <Tylerdurderner> one second thomas_, figuring something out
[04:58] <thomas_> are you using a time server near you?
[04:58] <dicesquirrel> Question... I've created a small partition for Windows on my Ubuntu laptop, and installed Windows (it previously only had Ubuntu on it) and now grub doesn't seem to be installed. How can I install grub so that I can choose between Ubuntu and Windows XP when starting up?
[04:58] <thoreauputic> synchk: there are heaps of servers out there to synch with - I assume you've already tried ?
[04:58] <synchk> thoreauputic: No, it is innacurate.
[04:59] <detectiveinspekt> I have install beagle and beagled seems to be running but beagle can't find anything at all
[04:59] <synchk> thoreauputic: Yes.
[04:59] <Nox2k3> Does the Radeon DRM driver say anything spacific if it finds and initializes a radeon card. Mine is simply saying DRM loaded but I don't see any device files in /dev/dri.
[04:59] <basbryan> dicesquirrel: reinstall grub
[04:59] <dicesquirrel> basbryan, that's what I'm trying to do. -How-?
[04:59] <thomas_> Nox2k3: do aticonfig
[04:59] <thoreauputic> synchk: isn't it possible that your machine's clock is drifting ?
[04:59] <basbryan> boot from cd in repair mode and grub install
[05:00] <synchk> thoreauputic: NTP should account for this, +/-.02s is unacceptable.
[05:00] <Nox2k3> thomas_: I thought aticonfig was an fglrx thing, I don't have it installed. The problem is that I don't have any /dev/dri device nodes.
[05:00] <dicesquirrel> basbryan, that's it, just "grub install" in the console?
[05:00] <basbryan> dicesquirrel: i think so...  anyone have more to add?
[05:00] <synchk> thoreauputic: Other OSes with NTP seem to deal with this fine. I don't see what option Ubuntu disabled.
[05:00] <thoreauputic> synchk: well, I'm no expert - maybe you should look for a mailing list about the ntp program ?
[05:01] <synchk> A .02s inaccuracy in my clock basically makes my computer unusable.
[05:01] <dicesquirrel> basbryan, on the livecd I only get a few options, none of which are "recovery mode" as you say
[05:01] <Tylerdurderner> thomas_ ok i got it, im online now
[05:01] <Crippy-Boy> synchk: how exactly does .02s make it unusable?
[05:01] <basbryan> use back to get to menu
[05:01] <thomas_> .2 seconds is nothing.
[05:01] <basbryan> then choose grub choice?
[05:01] <thoreauputic> synchk: I'm not sure what you expect us to do about this - I suggest a bug report if you think it's a bug
[05:02] <basbryan> i know u need grub...  that's all
[05:02] <basbryan> i don't recall best way to get there
[05:02] <synchk> Crippy-Boy: I am a power user, and need critical time accuracy. I have specialized computing equipment to keep my hardware clock very accurate.
[05:02] <synchk> thomas_: Perhaps .2s is nothing to you.
[05:02] <basbryan> u don't need a reinstall
[05:02] <thoreauputic> I always think the term "power user" is so pretentious..
[05:02] <Neo8750> i wish people would make a script to check for all dependencies when installing multi[ple things from source
[05:02] <hondje> I think anyone who uses a computer is using power.
[05:02] <basbryan> dicesquirrel: 4 future reference...  install windows 1st...  then linux
[05:02] <synchk> thoreauputic: Maybe you aren't a power user then...
[05:02] <KeithWeisshar> can paper cd sleeves scratch the cd
[05:02] <Neo8750> at the start (this is not packages)
[05:03] <dicesquirrel> basbryan, I realize that, and that's the last thing I want. And I can't change what order I've done this in.
[05:03] <bohemian> I would have thought latency between you and the ntp servers would introduce more than a 0,02 second inaccuracy
[05:03] <Phuzion> hondje:  I laughed
[05:03] <thoreauputic> synchk: bah - i'm not talking about the level of use, just the terminology
[05:03] <hondje> Then I succeeded :D
[05:03] <dicesquirrel> Does anyone have any more specific advice on how I should reinstall grub using the LiveCD?
[05:03] <synchk> bohemian: No, NTP accounts for this lag.
[05:03] <basbryan> dicesquirrel: so from install cd...  u go back, to get to menu...  can u do grub from there?
[05:03] <thoreauputic> synchk: it's not a criticism of you
[05:04] <zebedee> hondje twice lol
[05:04] <synchk> thoreauputic: I am proud to call myself a power user.
[05:04] <treitter> I love the new Edgy login music :)
[05:04] <bohemian> What is a power user synchk?
[05:04] <hondje> :-)
[05:04] <thoreauputic> synchk: and what does that actually mean?
[05:04] <dicesquirrel> basbryan, not so far as I can tell.  "  Could not connect to localhost:4001 (<IP_ADDRESS>). - connect (111 Connection refused)"
[05:06] <synchk> Crippy-Boy: Accurate benchmarks.
[05:06] <Phuzion> synchk:  can't you just do some kind of offset?
[05:06] <synchk> Phuzion: No, there is a .04s spread, that's not possible.
[05:06] <thoreauputic> carlo do you have a proxy set ?
[05:06] <mike> help with a gdesklet desklet please
[05:07] <Schalken> is ti safe to upgrade to edgy yet?
[05:07] <JoseStefan> no
[05:07] <carlo> thoreauputic not unless one was set by default.
[05:07] <eyequeue> Schalken, #ubuntu+1 says no
[05:07] <thoreauputic> Schalken: if you have to ask, probably not ;)
[05:07] <Phuzion> Alright, so anyone here an expert at apt by chance?
[05:07] <Schalken> by 'safe' i mean my computer will still boot ;)
[05:07] <Neo8750> damn install thing has said 30minutes for last 30 minutes
[05:07] <mike> help with gnome bar gdesklet please
[05:07] <graft> Phuzion: what's the q?
[05:08] <thoreauputic> mike: be specific
[05:08] <Phuzion> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22973 when i do apt-cache search (anything)
[05:08] <hondje> If I were a power user bugged by .02s, I'd have said kerberos...but I'm an old fashioned troll :)
[05:08] <mike> thoreauputic:  well if you have ever seen the gnome bar gdesklet i am having trouble changing the launchers
[05:08] <ikaruga> I had a power outage. When I rebooted, apache2 stopped working. Any ideas?
[05:08] <JoseStefan> Phuzion, are you on 5.10 ?
[05:09] <graft> ikaruga: cause another power outage
[05:09] <Lilandra> Hi JoseStefan
[05:09] <thoreauputic> ikaruga:  fsck ? Check the file system
[05:09] <mike> thoreauputic:  all th elaunchers are filled outin this stile: launch('firefox')
[05:09] <JoseStefan> Hi Lilandra
[05:09] <dicesquirrel> Can anyone help me reinstall grub after an installation of Windows XP on a partition of a previously all-Ubuntu machine?
[05:09] <Phuzion> JoseStefan:  Umm, not sure, how do I check?
[05:09] <mike> thoreauputic:  but i want to change it to a path to launch firefox 2 beta
[05:09] <Lilandra> JoseStefan: ubuntu live caused kernel panic too! :)
[05:09] <thoreauputic> mike: sorry I don't personally know anything about gdesklets - address your questions to the channel in general
[05:09] <mike> thoreauputic:  any ideas?
[05:09] <carlo> thoreauputic there is no proxy set. It is set to connect directly.
[05:09] <Smoked1> I am backing up my files right now so that i can replace windows with ubuntu right now. :)
[05:10] <mike> thoreauputic:  what channel shoudl i go to?
[05:10] <mike> thoreauputic:  never mind
[05:10] <ikaruga> thoreauputic: so boot up in recovery mode?
[05:10] <JoseStefan> Lilandra, posible a hardware issue, bad or misconfigured. Or ubuntu doesnt like your hardware
[05:10] <Lilandra> JoseStefan: possibly
[05:10] <mike> help with configuring starters on a launche rplease!!!!!!!
[05:10] <Neo8750> dicesquirrel: boot off any linux rescue cd and reinstall grub to the mbr
[05:10] <thoreauputic> carlo it's a mystery then - it is clearly looking at your box and not the Net
[05:10] <JoseStefan> Phuzion, i dont remember :/
[05:10] <zebedee> smoked1:enjoy the ride
[05:10] <Phuzion> brb, I'll check and see if I can figure it out at the machine
[05:10] <Smoked1> I need to know if there is a way durring install to specify slixes instead of everything going to "/"
[05:10] <dicesquirrel> Neo8750: How? I don't understand.
[05:10] <Lilandra> JoseStefan, I can switch the harddrive (or take it out completely), I can also take out the agp video card
[05:11] <Smoked1> slices
[05:11] <zebedee> pass
[05:11] <mike> help with gdesklets please
[05:11] <Neo8750> dicesquirrel: thats good question to be honest i couldn't tell ya without looking it up
[05:11] <thoreauputic> ikaruga: yes, or run  sudo shutdown -r -F now ( I think F forces a check - have a look in man shutdown)
[05:11] <carlo> thoreauputic a mystery with no solution? I find that hard to believe. Thanks for the words of help.
[05:11] <JoseStefan> Lilandra, you could try with minimum hardware, in other word, remove non essential addon cards
[05:11] <Smoked1> last time I tried it there were no options for that and it bugs
[05:11] <realist> synchk: How exactly did you determine your clock is inaccurate by 0.02s, and with what clock reference are you using for comparison?
[05:11] <synchk> realist: NTP.
[05:11] <JoseStefan> Lilandra, then add each one at a time
[05:11] <Lilandra> ok JoseStefan
[05:11] <thoreauputic> carlo of course there's a solution - I just don't know what it is :)
[05:11] <dicesquirrel> Neo8750: Could you?
[05:12] <mike> any help with configuring launchers on a gdesklet bar
[05:12] <synchk> ntpdate[27765] : adjust time server <IP_ADDRESS> offset 0.022075 sec
[05:12] <Lilandra> I'll put it on and try it again in a bit
[05:12] <Smeggy> anyone know if its possible to embed php inside a bash script?
[05:12] <hondje> count tics instead when benchmarking
[05:12] <Smeggy> full on php.. not just a line or two...
[05:12] <carlo> Well I'm off to find it. See you all around again.
[05:12] <JoseStefan> realist, ntp.ubuntu.com is one
[05:12] <tanath> can anyone help me with this error? it's not recognizing a blank cd: http://pastebin.ca/164877
[05:12] <mike> help with gdesklets
[05:13] <Phuzion> JoseStefan:  Yes, I am on 5.10
[05:13] <elhaxxorz> Can someone help me? Firefox, Galeon, and Swiftfox are all crashing on the same sites! No idea what's going on, think it is Flash
[05:13] <hondje> elhaxxorz: link to the site?
[05:13] <JoseStefan> Phuzion, try: sudo apt-get update
[05:13] <elhaxxorz> hondje, www.yahoo.com
[05:13] <hondje> eeks
[05:13] <Phuzion> locked
[05:14] <realist> synchk: either your local and/or reference hardware clocks could be drifting, and just how accurately do you think NTP measures network delay, and jitter?
[05:14] <JoseStefan> Phuzion, do you have another package manager running?
[05:14] <Phuzion> Wait
[05:14] <Phuzion> I got the lock to disappear
[05:14] <thetictacaddict> when I first installed ubuntu, there was a symlink in my home directory to some media samples.  I deleted the link; can anyone tell me where those files are?
[05:14] <elhaxxorz> hondje, worked on Breezy,
[05:14] <Phuzion> But it stalls at 44% of the first one
[05:15] <hondje> elhaxxorz: If yahoo is crashing all your browsers, then you're probably right and it's one of your plugins that are shared
[05:15] <Phuzion> 44% [Connecting to uk.archive.ubuntu.com (<IP_ADDRESS>)]  [Connecting to securi
[05:15] <Phuzion> stalled there
[05:15] <JoseStefan> thetictacaddict:  Examples -> /usr/share/example-content
[05:15] <elhaxxorz> they are all firefox derivatives
[05:15] <Neo8750> dicesquirrel: http://sidvind.com/wiki/HOWTO_Restore_GRUB_after_Windows_XP_installation-cd
[05:15] <thetictacaddict> thanks!
[05:15] <elhaxxorz> do you have the opera repo?
[05:15] <JoseStefan> Phuzion, give it a min :P
[05:16] <JoseStefan> Phuzion: btw, that's your closest mirror, right?
[05:16] <hondje> I doubt the problem is gekko, and no one else is having trouble with yahoo :-)
[05:16] <Phuzion> JoseStefan:  timed out, and it's not the closest
[05:16] <Phuzion> But the us mirror does the same thing
[05:16] <JoseStefan> Phuzion, try main mirror
[05:17] <Phuzion> us.ubuntu.whatever?
[05:17] <mike> help me please with a gdesklet?
[05:17] <JoseStefan> Phuzion, you could try "us.", main one doesnt have a prefix
[05:17] <Dr_Willis> 'help me ObiWan, you're my only hope'
[05:18] <Neo8750> ,,,,
[05:18] <JoseStefan> Dr_Willis?
[05:18] <QMario> What happened here?
[05:18] <QMario> An attack?
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> :)
[05:18] <JoseStefan> did you do that?
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> QMario,  where?
[05:18] <zebedee> hello
[05:18] <QMario> Me?
[05:18] <Neo8750> hope not that suck
[05:18] <QMario> I did not do that.
[05:19] <richard> sudo get install rails --include-dependencies
[05:19] <richard> doesnt work
[05:19] <Phuzion> Channel join attack, someone tried to de-sync one of the servers
[05:19] <Phuzion> Didn't work
[05:19] <Phuzion> lol
[05:19] <richard> sudo gem install rails --include-dependencies
[05:19] <JoseStefan> nevermind
[05:19] <richard> doenst work
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> I got joins/parts/quits  hidden.
[05:19] <richard> any know why
[05:19] <Neo8750> sudo apt-get install rails ???
[05:19] <JoseStefan> channel join flood stopped working like 10 years ago
[05:19] <SkramX> hi, ATravelingGeek
[05:19] <ATravelingGeek> hey SkramX
[05:20] <SkramX> it's Office Feel Good to you, son.
[05:20] <mike> help with gnome bar please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:20] <Phuzion> Alright, apt STILL stalls at 44%
[05:20] <richard> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[05:20] <richard> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[05:20] <SkramX> HOW DO I INSTALL LINUX?
[05:20] <thoreauputic> !install
[05:20] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[05:21] <Phuzion> SkramX:  Don't shout
[05:21] <Dr_Willis> He dont want Ubuntu! he wants "linux" :P
[05:21] <thoreauputic> Phuzion: he left...
[05:21] <elhaxxorz> hondje, can you help any more?
[05:21] <Phuzion> thoreauputic:  lol, didn't see that
[05:21] <hondje> elhaxxorz: No, only recommendation I have is to reinstall all your shared plugins
[05:21] <elhaxxorz> how would i do that?
[05:22] <thoreauputic> richard: close synaptic or whatever other apt instance you have running
[05:22] <Crippy-Boy> Dr_Willis: in that case... www.linuxfromscratch.org :P
[05:22] <richard> sudo apt-get rails
[05:22] <richard> E: Invalid operation rails
[05:22] <thoreauputic> richard: syntac error
[05:22] <hondje> apt-get install --reinstall flashplugin-nonfree etc
[05:23] <Dr_Willis> richard,  time to read a few apt-get tutorials dude.
[05:23] <thoreauputic> richard: sudo apt-get install <package>
[05:23] <Pelo> hey guys
[05:23] <mike> can anyon ehelp me?
[05:23] <Dr_Willis> !ask
[05:23] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:24] <richard> the guide im reading says this
[05:24] <richard>  sudo gem install rails --include-dependencies
[05:24] <thoreauputic> mike: if anyone can help they will - you need to give people more information, and also be patient
[05:24] <bohemian> synchk, read rfc1305.
[05:24] <thoreauputic> !patience
[05:24] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[05:24] <richard> sudo: gem: command not found
[05:24] <Dr_Willis> gem? thats a new one on me.
[05:24] <Pelo>  a friend of mine  just manage to screw up is gnome installation and he's booting in CLI ,  anyone know the command line to install gnome back, with the right pacakge ?  sudo apt-get instal ??????
[05:24] <CorpseFeeder> is there anyone in here yet who has the slightest clue about how to get a RT61 chipset wireless card to work in ubuntu using WPA-PSK?
[05:24] <Dr_Willis> richard,  i think you may want to find a better guide.
[05:24] <eyequeue> Pelo, ubuntu-desktop
[05:24] <thoreauputic> Pelo: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[05:24] <Dr_Willis> gem maybe some ruby command.,
[05:24] <richard> http://www.urbanpuddle.com/articles/2006/06/10/install-ruby-rails-on-ubuntu-dapper-drake
[05:25] <Pelo> thanks eyequeue  and thoreauputic
[05:25] <thoreauputic> !anyone
[05:25] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[05:25] <bohemian> sudo apt-get reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[05:25] <thoreauputic> bohemian: wrong
[05:25] <Crippy-Boy> gem is a ruby package manager
[05:25] <sethk> reinstall is a flag, not a command
[05:25] <thoreauputic> bohemian: it would be apt-get install --reinstall
[05:25] <sethk> apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[05:25] <bohemian> ta
[05:25] <Pelo> thanks bohemian
[05:25] <sethk> thoreauputic, damn, late again.  :)
[05:26] <richard> im stuck guys
[05:26] <thoreauputic> sethk: :)
[05:26] <sethk> richard, would you like us to recommend a lubricant, or do you have a more specific question?
[05:26] <Pelo> he's gonna freak, I just gave him all 3 comman lines
[05:26] <richard>  sudo gem install rails --include-dependencies
[05:26] <richard> doesnt work
[05:27] <richard> step 5 on that url above
[05:27] <JoseStefan> gem?
[05:27] <richard> http://www.urbanpuddle.com/articles/2006/06/10/install-ruby-rails-on-ubuntu-dapper-drake
[05:27] <richard> step 5
[05:27] <richard> any ideas
[05:27] <richard> ?
[05:27] <Dr_Willis> dident we just decide that gem is some sort yf ruby tool
[05:27] <Dr_Willis> I would gyess you Missed a step.. or the guide is stupid.
[05:27] <richard> yeah but that doesnt help me install it
[05:27] <Phuzion> So, can someone help me out with my apt-cache problem?
[05:27] <Phuzion> 44% [Connecting to uk.archive.ubuntu.com (<IP_ADDRESS>)]  [Connecting to securi
[05:27] <Dr_Willis> or your paths dont include gem for some reason
[05:27] <Phuzion> it always stalls when running apt-get update
[05:28] <JoseStefan> Phuzion: use archive.ubuntu.com
[05:28] <Phuzion> I did
[05:28] <Dr_Willis> willis@amd64:~$ gem
[05:28] <Dr_Willis> bash: gem: command not found
[05:28] <Phuzion> Still stalled
[05:28] <JoseStefan> Phuzion: i still see uk.
[05:28] <sethk> Dr_Willis, or both
[05:28] <richard> so how do i install it!!!
[05:28] <Phuzion> I pasted the wrong thing
[05:28] <CorpseFeeder> i need someone with experience setting up RT61 wireless card to work with WPA-PSK. How do I get this thing work?
[05:28] <sethk> richard, what's the error, exactly?
[05:28] <Phuzion> I thought my pastebin was still in my clipboard
[05:29] <Dr_Willis> richard,  how about starting from the beginning wht What are you trying to isntall?
[05:29] <sethk> Phuzion, if you were using kde, it would be
[05:29] <richard> sudo gem install rails --include-dependencies
[05:29] <richard> sudo: gem: command not found
[05:29] <richard> http://www.urbanpuddle.com/articles/2006/06/10/install-ruby-rails-on-ubuntu-dapper-drake
[05:29] <Phuzion> sethk:  I'm using my Windows machine right now, I don't have a multiple clipboard
[05:29] <richard> I cant do step 5
[05:29] <Crippy-Boy> richard: sudo apt-get install rails
[05:30] <richard> tried that
[05:30] <Crippy-Boy> richard: you have ruby installed, right?
[05:30] <richard> oh it worked this time
[05:30] <adcuritn> hello
[05:30] <zebedee> hi
[05:30] <Crippy-Boy> ~Lol
[05:31] <Dr_Willis> were you using th correct command the other times? :P
[05:31] <adcuritn> I was wondering if I could get some help with a serial console
[05:31] <JoseStefan> !info rails
[05:31] <ubotu> rails: MVC ruby based framework geared for web application development. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.2-1ubuntu0.1 (dapper), package size 1723 kB, installed size 12820 kB
[05:31] <richard> lol
[05:31] <richard> well i am a noob
[05:31] <richard> only had linux ubuntu for 4 weeks
[05:31] <richard> first linux distro
[05:31] <richard> ex windows
[05:31] <Dr_Willis> Linux tip #1 - when in doubt  *THINK*
[05:31] <Dr_Willis> :P
[05:32] <Crippy-Boy> richard: Well, if it says command not found, Your doing something wrong, or dont have something installed.
[05:32] <Crippy-Boy> Dr_Willis: That doesnt work.
[05:32] <richard> we noobs rely on guides ..... and when the guides dont work :(
[05:32] <Phuzion> Alright, can someone help me out here, because honestly, I don't want to have to flatten and re-install, this isn't Windows
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> Crippy-Boy,  Tip #2 - see Rule #1 :P
[05:32] <adcuritn> What types of options of consoles does getty work with? (I.e. in /etc/inittab at the end of a line for serial consoles, it has vt100. I'd like to use adm3a. is this possible?)
[05:32] <hondje> The guide worked, you ignored it and tried to run gem without installing ruby
[05:32] <CorpseFeeder> is there noone here who can help setup RT61 chipset wireless cards?
[05:33] <mike> need help quick cant launch any programs
[05:33] <JoseStefan> richard, you can find most of the stuff you'd want to install in synaptic
[05:33] <Crippy-Boy> When in doubt, Kick the computer bang your head off a wall, Sleep on it then realise the answer was right infront of you but you were to stupid to realise
[05:33] <hondje> mike: Why can't you launch any programs?
[05:33] <caminomaster> HeLp me with a MIDI problem
[05:33] <Crippy-Boy> Failing that a 5 min break away from the computer helps :-)
[05:34] <adcuritn> can getty work with consoles emulating adm3a?
[05:34] <JoseStefan> Phuzion, put your sources.list on the !pastebin
[05:34] <Smoked1> So.. Does ubuntu give me any options to use slices durring the install?
[05:34] <Dr_Willis> caminomaster,  care to give a little more details.
[05:34] <sewo> anyone running ubuntu in a sony vaio?
[05:35] <Crippy-Boy> Smoked1: You mean to put /home on seperate partitions etc?
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> sewo,  theres a lot of difffent vaios
[05:35] <hondje> adcuritn: as long as /bin/login doesn't care
[05:35] <realist> !anyone
[05:35] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[05:35] <cvt> i'm on a 800mHz 128mB ram 1mB vid ram dell box
[05:35] <Smoked1> Crippy-Boy, yes
[05:35] <Crippy-Boy> Smoked1: Yes it does.
[05:35] <sewo> Dr_Willis, well yeah, but all of them have the /proc/acpi/sony issue
[05:35] <Smoked1> OK thats great then
[05:35] <sewo> so i want to confirm a bug related to that
[05:36] <Phuzion> JoseStefan:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22977
[05:36] <sewo> anyone?
[05:36] <tmccrary> I am trying to use Eclipse's internal web browser with ubuntu dapper, but I can't seem to find libswt-mozilla*.so for it anywhere.
[05:36] <tmccrary> Does this library even exist?
[05:36] <Smoked1> I think ubuntu and my laptop are going to have a great tinme
[05:36] <Smoked1> time
[05:36] <zebedee> yep
[05:36] <Crippy-Boy> Smoked1: Well me and mine are :-)
[05:36] <mike> hondje: ok u know the menue bar right?
[05:37] <hondje> mike: the panel on top with the menus? Yes
[05:37] <Smoked1> How is ubuntu server version? I usually use freebsd but I have used debian and loved it
[05:37] <Smoked1> ubuntu server version must be great
[05:37] <JoseStefan> Phuzion, looks good to me :(
[05:37] <mike> hondje:  well when i click the applications drop down it is flashing and i cant open any of the things in therre
[05:37] <Phuzion> Ehh
[05:37] <adcuritn> is it possible to set serial console to use only black and white and not colored fonts?
[05:37] <JoseStefan> Phuzion, i was hoping to find the solution there
[05:37] <Phuzion> Yeah
[05:37] <hondje> mike: flashing, like it's redrawing?
[05:37] <caminomaster> Dr_Willis, :/
[05:37] <Phuzion> I was hoping to god it was there
[05:37] <Phuzion> BUT NOOOO
[05:38] <tmccrary> Any 64-bit ubuntu eclipse users here?
[05:38] <mike> hondje: but the otehr drop downs like "places" and "system" work fine
[05:38] <Atomsk> !grub > Atomsk
[05:38] <JoseStefan> Phuzion, restart and then do sudo apt-get update right away, maybe
[05:38] <micah_hainline> w00t!  I finally got irc working.
[05:38] <caminomaster> Dr_Willis, my problem is that I don't know why
[05:38] <Phuzion> JoseStefan:  Tried it
[05:38] <hondje> hmm
[05:38] <Phuzion> Nothing worked
[05:38] <Crippy-Boy> Smoked1: Im not sure, I use server version to install (but only do a basic install not LAMP) and the only server i have is a naff box with sshd running for when im using hotspots and wanna tunnel.
[05:38] <mike> hondje:  i am not sure what u mean by re-drawing but its like blink fast
[05:38] <Dr_Willis> adcuritn,  the 'color' is most likely comming from the ls colloring of the files.. that is disableable.
[05:38] <Crippy-Boy> And that runs debian.
[05:38] <brian98> well feck that
[05:38] <caminomaster> but my midis sometimes sounds ok, but sometimes don't sound
[05:38] <brian98> nvidia definitely seems more stable than ati!
[05:39] <caminomaster> the sequencer moves, but is mute
[05:39] <brian98> but it's configuration is up its arse
[05:39] <mike> hondje: any ideas?
[05:39] <JoseStefan> Phuzion, could it be something wrong with your network setup?
[05:39] <micah_hainline> Hey fellas.  I'm here hoping that someone will be able to help me get my sound working in Ubuntu 6.06
[05:39] <dragonguy> Hello, good weekend, who would like help me with my problem. my ubuntu says ACPI Unable to locate RSDP when boot