[00:43] <jStefan> jhutchins, 22.10 is in the future, not the scope of this channel
[00:43] <jStefan> !next
[01:54] <jhutchins> Ok, pedants, how do you disable compositing on _22.04_ Gnome.
[02:00] <thrice> pretty sure you cannot disable compositing
[02:01] <thrice> it's built-in to gnome's shell, and always active
[02:03] <jhutchins> So maybe my answer was the best one after all.
[02:34] <enigma9o7[m]> well probably worth trying gnome x11 to see if its different.  But if wayland turns games from 60fps to 5fps I think others would have noticed and it'd be a big deal....
[02:58] <comicsansg> so...those bug report messages you'd get if a process crashed...I could never get them to display me anymore information other than the binary path if I told it to show more.
[02:58] <comicsansg> it just sits there indefinitely ;-;
[02:58] <comicsansg> I get the feeling it's working for everyone else, since it's still a feature in today's release
[02:59] <comicsansg> *er...current release
[04:09] <syllin> i'm using the default desktop environment on 20.04, i think gnome. i'm finding that logging out of the desktop session (be it through shut down, or just the "log out" button) is causing some of my applications to shut down ungracefully. does anyone know what ubuntu does re: sigterms, sigkills, etc, in this case?
[04:24] <rdr> can you guys see this: 〜(꒪꒳꒪)〜 specifically the characters in the middle, they show up as boxes for me
[04:25] <rdr> i swapped over from ubuntu-mate by installing ubuntu-desktop but i might be missing a font
[04:26] <enigma9o7[m]> I can.
[04:26] <rdr> enigma9o7[m]: are you on your phone or ubuntu?  I might be missing a font package, if you are on your computer maybe we could compare font packages
[04:28] <enigma9o7[m]> On a computer.
[04:28] <rdr> i have all the fonts of a normal ubuntu installation apparently
[04:29]  * enigma9o7[m] posted a file: (59KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/zhBjIPsFLZokJBNeEzfPSaNj/fonts.txt >
[04:30] <enigma9o7[m]> Do I really need 645 fonts, good god.
[04:32] <rdr> hmm, i tmight help if i knew the command you used to generate the list
[04:32] <rdr> or if you could do it through apt by grepping for font packages
[04:37] <Jari--> morning, happy with my Ubuntu distribution
[04:38] <rdr> enigma9o7[m]: nm, found it, it was noto-fonts, the full package
[04:39] <enigma9o7[m]> 〜(꒪꒳꒪)〜
[04:39] <rdr> yay
[04:39] <rdr> the happy feeling you get when you solve a problem and close 8 tabs
[04:39] <Jari--> enigma9o7[m]: what sort of codes, I see A4 AA A4 B3 A4 AA only
[04:40] <Jari--> what is it?
[04:40] <enigma9o7[m]> It's what rdr originally asked about, owo in small letters (kinda)
[04:41] <rdr> https://u.teknik.io/zwQF4.png
[04:42] <jammy> I don't see a noto-fonts package?
[04:42] <rdr> sorry it's fonts-noto
[04:45] <enigma9o7[m]> 〜(꒪꒳꒪)〜
[04:47] <jammy> should it work in irssi?
[04:48] <puzi> am i audible
[04:50] <Bashing-om> jammy: fonts-noto-mono is what I use here on irssi.
[04:50] <ruzi> ok
[04:50] <Bashing-om> !info fonts-noto-mono
[08:42] <Bit> I want to install ubuntu server 22.04 LTS via autoinstall. On Ubuntu 20.04 LTS can I simply change the parameters in the GUI. But how can I change the parameters in grub on 22.04?
[08:45] <ice9> I have hyprid graphics and using nvidia's prop driver; in Xorg the CPU fan is very quite (2500 RPM) while in Wayland, it's (3500 RPM minimum) and very loud all the time, though there is no high system load, any idea?
[08:54] <michaelrose> Didn't wayland and nvidia only very very recently gain the ability to accelerate xwayland ice9
[08:56] <michaelrose> so logically your CPU is working very hard to do work the GPU was going which doesn't appear to be a permanent issue to some degree it will be resolved by updating you also naturally want to make sure that you are enabling any hardware accelerated decoding in your browser of choice which is notably different from merely having hardware acceleration in general enabled for your browser
[08:57] <jluc> How is screen icc profiles color management on wayland now ? Is it now possible ?
[09:02] <hans_> how can i check WHAT job is running when shutdown is hanging like "A stop job is running for Session c1 of user hans" ?
[09:02] <hans_> like this https://i.imgur.com/AskuShq.png
[09:03] <hans_> what "stop job" is running? how can i check?
[09:04] <Bit> I want to install ubuntu server 22.04 LTS via autoinstall. On Ubuntu 20.04 LTS can I simply change the parameters in the GUI. But how can I change the parameters in grub on 22.04?
[09:12] <alkisg> # systemctl | grep -i session
[09:12] <alkisg> session-c2.scope            loaded active running   Session c2 of User alkisg
[09:12] <alkisg> The stop job is the session c1 itself; it would be nice to have a hotkey to list the jobs processes though
[09:13] <alkisg> systemctl status session-c2.scope => lists of processes; but I don't know of any way to run that while the system shuts down
[09:15] <alkisg> Bit, press e in grub, and edit the command line?
[09:15] <alkisg> There's an #ubuntu-server channel btw
[09:15] <hans_> Bit: my best guess is in /etc/default/grub
[09:15] <hans_> Bit: but i don't actually know.
[09:16] <hans_> Bit: remember to run `sudo update-grub` (or was it `sudo grub-update` ?) after editing /etc/default/grub tho
[09:20] <Macer> so do all ubuntu apps roll out with snap now?
[09:25] <ogra> Macer, some do
[09:40] <Chalky> Test message
[09:43] <Chalky> My land network is fine but my wireless does not work.  Any ideas where  to start.
[09:44] <gry> Chalky hi
[09:44] <Chalky> Hi
[09:44] <gry> Chalky did your wireless work before?
[09:44] <Chalky> Yes, before I upgraded to 22.04.
[09:44] <lsd|2> networkmanager gave ass?
[09:44] <gry> Chalky what error message does it show when you try to connect to wireless?
[09:46] <Chalky> Not sure what you mean.  I dont get anthing now.  No symbol in settings and if i diconnect the wire connection no symbol there either.
[09:47] <lsd|2> Chalky: command "iwconfig" saying something ?
[09:47] <lsd|2> if mode says none or auto its fucked
[09:48] <Chalky> lo        no wireless extensions.
[09:48] <Chalky> eno1      no wireless extensions.
[09:48] <ogra> lsd|2, can you tame your language a bit ?
[09:48] <ogra> Chalky, looks like a driver issue
[09:49] <ogra> Chalky, have you checked for proprietary drivers in the software settings yet ?
[09:49] <Chalky> I agree
[09:49] <ogra> (while you are on a wired connection preferably)
[09:50] <Chalky> Checked no there and none available
[09:51] <ogra> hmm
[09:51] <ogra> does "rfkill" list a wireless device ?
[09:51] <Chalky> Worked before with 21.04 and 21.10
[09:53] <Chalky> No
[09:53] <ogra> lspci | grep -i net | nc termbin.com 9999
[09:53] <ogra> give the url this returns here ...
[09:54] <Chalky> Do I just copy and paste the command into the terminal?
[09:55] <ogra> yep
[09:55] <ogra> it shoudl list all network cards on your PCI bus and paste that to termbin
[09:55] <Chalky> Returns this hyperlink  https://termbin.com/ovs7
[09:56] <Chalky> 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection (Lewisville) (rev 04)
[09:56] <ogra> Chalky, so the system does not see a wireless device at all ...
[09:56] <ogra> Chalky, arew you sure there is no hardware switch i.e. on your keyboard to toggle wlan off/on ?
[09:57] <Chalky> Mmmm, it's a destop and I have plugged on a dongle.
[09:57] <ogra> (many laptops have such a key somewhere on the function row)
[09:57] <ogra> oh, you should have said that it is a dongle 🙂
[09:57] <Chalky> Soz
[09:58] <ogra> run the above command again but replace "lspci" with "lsusb"
[09:58] <ogra> hmm, or not ... one sec
[09:59] <ogra> lsusb | nc termbin.com 9999
[09:59] <ogra> use that one instead
[09:59] <Chalky> https://termbin.com/2e2e
[10:00] <ogra> Bus 003 Device 002: ID 0bda😛812 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL88x2bu [AC1200 Techkey]
[10:00] <ogra> there we go ...
[10:00] <Chalky> Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
[10:00] <Chalky> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[10:00] <Chalky> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 413c:2005 Dell Computer Corp. RT7D50 Keyboard
[10:00] <Chalky> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 046d:c016 Logitech, Inc. Optical Wheel Mouse
[10:00] <Chalky> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
[10:00] <Chalky> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[10:00] <Chalky> Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
[10:00] <ogra> eeek, dont
[10:00] <ogra> (this is what the termbin is for 😉 )
[10:01] <Chalky> termbin ??
[10:01] <ogra> click the link you posted 😉
[10:02] <ogra> it has the stuff you tried to paste here
[10:02] <lsd|2> Chalky: it just gives your output to website if someone will be interested will have a look on it, bot here has silenced you
[10:03] <Chalky> ok
[10:03] <Chalky> I am now looking at the data in the link
[10:03] <ogra> https://github.com/cilynx/rtl88x2BU_WiFi_linux_v5.3.1_27678.20180430_COEX20180427-5959
[10:03] <ogra> there is a driver ... lets see if there is probably a pre-packaged dkms version in the archive
[10:05] <ogra> Chalky, one of these two packages should help: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=rtl88&searchon=names&suite=jammy&section=all
[10:06] <ogra> i sadly do not know which of them ... but my guess would go to rtl8821ce-dkms
[10:06] <ogra> so install that, reboot and see if you get wifi then
[10:07] <ogra> if not, uninstall it again and try the other
[10:07] <Guest81> i installed nextcloud with snap. is there a way to direct it to http://my.great.server/nc and not to its default http://my.great.server ?  So I can install other server snap stuff without using haproxy?
[10:07] <ogra> if that does not work either, uninstall that too and follow the instructions on the github link i gave above
[10:08] <Chalky> OK, I believe I now need to install one or both of these drivers.   On my own :-o .  Thanks for the help much appreciated!
[10:08] <ogra> sudo apt install rtl8812au-dkms
[10:08] <ogra> thats all you need to do
[10:08] <Chalky> :-)
[10:08] <ogra> to uninstall: sudo apt purge rtl8812au-dkms
[10:08] <ogra> (bit dont forget to reboot after installing)
[10:10] <ogra> Guest81, https://github.com/nextcloud-snap/nextcloud-snap/issues probably ask there if https://github.com/nextcloud-snap/nextcloud-snap does not have the instructions you need
[10:10] <Chalky> installing now
[10:12] <Chalky> Rebooting,  Thansk !!!!!!
[10:12] <ogra> good luck
[10:27] <gry> Chalky how is it
[10:41] <muniv> ,,
[10:50] <Guest81> ogra, thx
[11:20] <eoli3n> Hi, i'm trying my preseed file that I use for focal on jammy
[11:21] <eoli3n> it seems to work, but it asks for which kind of installation I want "normal or minimal"
[11:21] <eoli3n> how to answer this with preseed ?
[11:27] <Macer> eoli3n: if you are using it as a desktop then normal is probably what you are looking for
[11:27] <Macer> personally i’d rather use minimal and install everything i want / need
[11:29] <eoli3n> thanks Macer but you didn't get my questio
[11:29] <eoli3n> n
[11:30] <Macer> guess not lol
[11:30] <Chalky> modprobe: FATAL: Module 88x2BU not found in directory /lib/modules/5.15.0-27-generic
[11:30] <eoli3n> my question is not "what should I choose between nomal or minimal" but how to automate this answer with an automated preseed installation
[11:30] <Macer> oh
[11:31] <ogra> Chalky, what did you do ?
[11:31] <Macer> no idea then  i’d probably just turn them into img and dd the image to drives and set up a script to expand the file system to it
[11:31] <smallville7123> is this normal?       libQt5Core.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:31] <ogra> smallville7123, looks like a missing dependency
[11:31] <Chalky> Hi, it's not worked so far
[11:32] <ogra> Chalky, well, what did you try yet ?
[11:32] <ogra> (explain each step you did)
[11:32] <Chalky> I get this message: modprobe: FATAL: Module 88x2BU not found in directory /lib/modules/5.15.0-27-generic
[11:32] <Jeremy31> Chalky: See https://github.com/cilynx/rtl88x2bu.git as that other one is deprecated
[11:33] <ogra> whet did you do before this, step by step
[11:33] <ogra> *what
[11:33] <Chalky> Installed the first driver as you stated
[11:33] <ogra> k
[11:33] <Chalky> ok
[11:33] <ogra> and that dd not work automatically ?
[11:33] <ogra> *did
[11:33] <Chalky> No
[11:34] <Chalky> Rebooted
[11:34] <Chalky> removed dongle before rebooting.
[11:34] <ogra> and plugged it back after booting ?
[11:34] <Chalky> Yes
[11:34] <ogra> k
[11:35] <Macer> in the case of my wifi not working i just connected it to my bluetooth phone hotspot and used the proprietary drivers section
[11:35] <ogra> did you then uninstall the firt deb and installed the other one ?
[11:35] <Chalky> checked to see if a Perpiotery diver appeared ....  no
[11:35] <Macer> ah ok. that sucks.
[11:36] <ogra> Chalky, not sure they would show up there
[11:36] <Jeremy31> Chalky: rtl8821ce-dkms only works with PCI(e) wifi
[11:36] <ogra> Chalky, which of the packages did you try first ?
[11:36] <Chalky> uninstalled the first deb but could not remember the command for the second, so did the first again. .....no joy
[11:36] <ogra> well, uninstall it with apt purge and try the second
[11:37] <Macer> the real fun is when you have to unearth firmware lol
[11:37] <ogra> if that does not work you will need to try the one from github
[11:37] <Macer> is ndiswrapper still a thing? might be able to use windows drivers too.
[11:37] <ogra> Chalky, and Jeremy31 is correct rtl8812au-dkms is for usb devices ...
[11:38] <Chalky> this one: sudo apt purge rtl8812au-dkms
[11:38] <ogra> is that the one you had installed ?
[11:38] <Chalky> yes
[11:38] <smallville7123> wsl --install -d Ubuntu-20.04          wait for download & install to finish           sudo apt update && sudo apt install qterm && qterm
[11:38] <ogra> okay, that means you will need to use github
[11:39] <Chalky> I've looked at that and it's very confusing to me.
[11:40] <ogra> Chalky, sudo apt install git ... then git clone https://github.com/cilynx/rtl88x2bu.git
[11:40] <ogra> Chalky, next: cd rtl88x2bu
[11:40] <smallville7123> btw is it normal to have a speed of 279 kb/s in apt get
[11:41] <lsd|2> smallville7123: missing kde or qt libraries
[11:41] <ogra> Chalky, if you are in that directory you run "sudo ./deploy.sh"
[11:41] <ogra> it should then build and install the driver
[11:41] <smallville7123> Unpacking libqt5core5a:amd64 (5.12.8+dfsg-0ubuntu2.1) ...
[11:41] <mrkubax10> does the WSL ubuntu package include graphical environment
[11:42] <Chalky> what does git ... mean?
[11:42] <smallville7123> no
[11:42] <mrkubax10> qterm is graphical application...
[11:42] <dTal> it means a right arseole
[11:42] <smallville7123> Chalky: git is the command line interface for communicating with github.com
[11:43] <smallville7123> among other things
[11:43] <ogra> mrkubax10, https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-ubuntu-on-wsl2-on-windows-11-with-gui-support#1-overview
[11:44] <mrkubax10> ogra: it was question for smallville7123 :D
[11:44] <smallville7123> xserver's do exist lol
[11:44] <ogra> ah, i thought it was for the channel 🙂
[11:44] <ogra> either way, it should work
[11:44] <lsd|2> Chalky: its a tool for devs when you baking your cake you have a list
[11:45] <smallville7123> Processing triggers for libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0:amd64 (2.40.0+dfsg-3ubuntu0.2) ...
[11:45] <smallville7123> qterm: error while loading shared libraries: libQt5Core.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:45] <lsd|2> Chalky: go on, its not far to do so
[11:48] <mrkubax10> smallville7123: do you have working graphical environment inside WSL?
[11:49] <ogra> smallville7123, there is ##windows-wsl .. perhaps you have better chances to get answers there, but that clearly seems like an issue with the library path in use
[11:50] <ogra> (since that lib got clearly installed in your paste above)
[11:50] <Chalky> Terminal is asking for Username for 'https://github.com':
[11:50] <ogra> Chalky, for the clone command ?
[11:50] <ogra> it shoudl not ...
[11:50] <Chalky> yes
[11:50] <ogra> how exactly did you run it ?
[11:51] <Jeremy31> typo, Chalky
[11:51] <Chalky> I don't think it has ran.
[11:51] <ogra> git clone https://github.com/cilynx/rtl88x2bu.git
[11:51] <ogra> definitely works here without askign anything
[11:51] <Jeremy31> it only asks for password on git clone when there is a typo
[11:52] <Chalky> so far:  $ git clone https://github.com/cilynx/l88x2bu.git
[11:52] <ogra> typo 😉
[11:52] <lsd|2> what for is that $ sign
[11:52] <lsd|2> dont use it never in console
[11:52] <Chalky> cloning into 'l88x2bu' ...
[11:52] <Jeremy31> there is no l88x2bu
[11:52] <ogra> right
[11:52] <ogra> Chalky, copy/paste my line above
[11:53] <Chalky> ok
[11:56] <Chalky> Done
[11:56] <ogra> cd into the dir it created
[11:56] <ogra> cd rtl88x2bu
[11:57] <ogra> then run "sudo ./deploy.sh" (just copy paste what is between the quotes)
[11:58] <Chalky> in
[11:59] <eoli3n> where can I get help on a preseed ubuntu install?
[11:59] <Chalky> Building module
[11:59] <ogra> great
[12:00] <Jeremy31> Chalky: Secure Boot will need to be disabled if you have an UEFI install, check>  mokutil --sb-state
[12:01] <ogra> give the deb based dkms installs worked i dont think there is any secureboot involved here
[12:01] <ogra> *given
[12:02] <lsd|2> Chalky: dont do it now, but is very useful when you press altogether cltr+ c in console
[12:03] <lsd|2> it gives you back to previous state
[12:03] <Chalky> Checked, secure boot is disabled
[12:04] <ogra> Chalky, did the script finish without errors ?
[12:06] <Chalky> yes and I am in dir rtl88x2bu
[12:06] <lsd|2> [12:57] <ogra> then run "sudo ./deploy.sh" (just copy paste what is between the quotes)
[12:06] <ogra> well, reboot ... and leave the dongle plugged ... see if it worked
[12:06] <Chalky> doing it now.  Will come back to you after.
[12:07]  * ogra wishes ... good luck ...
[12:07] <smallville7123> upgrading to wsl 2 seemed to fix it
[12:08] <ogra> yay
[12:08] <smallville7123> :)
[12:11] <webchat89> Hello everyone.
[12:12] <webchat89> I am experiencing a really really weird bug on ubuntu 22.04. Almost everytime I start, or install a virtual machine. My system logs me out automatically.  Thanks again, gone !
[12:15] <webchat89> Will ubuntu log you out automatically if you try to use too many system resources at once?
[12:35] <ogra> webchat89, normally not
[12:36] <webchat89> I just noticed that it is doing it and there may not be enough available ram.
[12:39] <gyro412> hello all, i'm have issues connecting to Ubuntu 22.04 via RDP and VNC using Remmina on a Raspberry Pi client. The server receives key strokes and mouseclicks(not movement) but i have not display on the client side. Server is using AMD rx580 gpu with Kernel drivers
[12:41] <eoli3n> where can I get help on a preseed ubuntu install?
[12:42] <ogra> webchat89, if linux runs out of ram (and swap space) it starts killing processes pretty randomly ... it would likely not every time kill the same thing
[12:44] <ogra> eoli3n, peraps there is someone in #ubuntu-devel who implemented the new options in ubiquity ... note though that this is not a support channel usually ...
[12:45] <eoli3n> thanks, just asked
[12:45] <jahral> LEAVE
[12:46] <ogra> gyro412, 22.04 defaults to wayland ... try to log out and pick an Xorg session on the Pi ... see if that helps
[13:32] <asan> Uhmm, i'm trying to debug the postinstall script in a deb package. where can i get help
[13:39] <Jeremy31> asan: paste the script at dpaste, post URL and tell us what is wrong
[13:51] <WeeBey> Hello frens. Is there any trick to make an Apple MagicMouse visible in ubuntu? It is not shown in the bluetooth manager
[13:55] <WeeBey> in the gui app, it doesn't show. From terminal I could see it. I did: #trust MAC and then #pair MAC
[13:55] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:55] <WeeBey> both said successful, but still no mouse in blueman and no mouse movement
[14:07] <WeeBey> omg, christmas miracle. It connected through the terminal. It asked for a pincode and it was 0000 ll
[14:11] <WeeBey> Oof. It's not usable.
[14:23] <FatAlbert> hi
[14:23] <FatAlbert> is there a wawy to apt-get install ansible but only the manual pages ?
[14:24] <ogra> FatAlbert, sudo apt install ansible-doc perhaps ?
[14:24] <leftyfb> FatAlbert: why not just read something like https://linux.die.net/man/1/ansible?
[14:25] <leftyfb> ogra: there's no ansible-doc package
[14:25] <FatAlbert> leftyfb: because i can't run filtering commands and other `less' like utilities on that
[14:25] <ogra> leftyfb, on my 20.04 there is
[14:25] <FatAlbert> im using 18.04
[14:26] <leftyfb> ah, looks like it's in universe which might not be enabled on the fresh 22.04 I have here
[14:26] <FatAlbert> ok stop fighting i need tgo get the man pages of ansible
[14:26] <FatAlbert> :D
[14:27] <leftyfb> hm, nope, I have universe enabled
[14:27] <ogra> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/focal/en/man1/ansible.1.html
[14:27] <ogra> does that suffice ?
[14:28] <ogra> (or do you need them locally)
[14:29] <ogra> also, we're not fighting here ... we're "cuddling aggressively" 😉
[14:29] <leftyfb> looks like it's gone in jammy https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=jammy&keywords=ansible-doc
[14:29] <rob0> ogra++
[14:30] <ogra> yeah, it only existed in focal as a package
[14:30] <nbusrone> Hi , I have a usb flashdrive which auto unmount.How to check for error
[14:31] <leftyfb> yeah, not in bionic either
[14:31] <leftyfb> nbusrone: look in dmesg -Tw # while you plug it in and try to mount it
[14:36] <nbusrone> leftyfb : which pastebin website i should paste ?
[14:36] <nbusrone> for the log
[14:37] <leftyfb> nbusrone: you can use any one you want, though this is ubuntu, so there is obviously a biased towards https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/
[14:38] <nbusrone> leftyfb : it ask for login , any alternative ?
[14:38] <leftyfb> nbusrone: again, any one you want
[14:39] <leftyfb> nbusrone: dmesg -T | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:42] <nbusrone> leftyfb : https://paste.ee/p/9writ#Nnv6r3T8KeOSJNhfJ1uKHnmSGXmZKodu
[14:43] <nbusrone> leftyfb : sorry for late reply , search for alternative pastebin and choose paste.ee on some recommended website.
[14:43] <leftyfb> nbusrone: you can try to run fsck or similar on it, but the drive might be bad
[14:44] <nbusrone> leftyfb : I tried fsck but it still auto unmount
[14:44] <nbusrone> leftyfb : https://paste.ee/p/llWqn#geSiPO6AwdoZMo0zw2VsergU8_YZHBj7
[14:48] <nbusrone> leftyfb : everytime i plugin doing anything , it always give me this error usb 3-6: device descriptor read/64, error -110
[14:48] <leftyfb> It's probably a bad drive. Buy a new one
[14:51] <nbusrone> leftyfb : https://paste.ee/p/EpQd7#6nBSM8r6rMY1vvZ5bhgrhK8KhY8NHSQX
[14:51] <nbusrone> leftyfb : it was fine yesterday
[14:52] <leftyfb> That's how faults happen. One day they're fine, the next they're not
[14:52] <ezekiel4u> does anybody here know of a good vpn?
[14:52] <leftyfb> !ot | ezekiel4u
[14:53] <nbusrone> leftyfb : The drive was plugin to the smart tv , and today i turn on the tv doesn
[14:53] <nbusrone> tv doesn't start and i turn off and remove the drive and plugin again , until i need to copy a file it get stuck and auto unmount.
[14:54] <nbusrone> leftyfb : do you confirm it's pen drive issue faulty or i cn still format and save? what are the reason it auto unmount ?
[14:55] <leftyfb> nbusrone: run fsck on it, repartition/reformat it. If it's still giving I/o errors, it's a bad drive. Throw it away and get a new one
[14:57] <nbusrone> leftyfb : which fsck commend to fix ? not very sure the command
[14:57] <gyro412> ogra, i tried using an X session on the Ubuntu (server) side but not on the pi. The pi is Sway and has no issues connecting to my other machines.
[14:57] <leftyfb> https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tecmint.com/fsck-repair-file-system-errors-in-linux/amp/
[15:27] <hackerman> Hi. I installed a newer version of libseccomp via dpkg in an attempt to fix an issue on my system but as it didn't resolve it, would like to remove it. I still have libseccomp2 installed via aptitude, but when I attempt to remove the deb install via dpkg --remove libseccomp2, it won't let me due to dependencies. Is there a way to remove the dpkg
[15:27] <hackerman> version since the apt version is still installed?
[15:28] <leftyfb> hackerman: which release of ubuntu?
[15:28] <kostkon> !info libseccomp2
[15:28] <hackerman> 20.04 currently
[15:28] <hackerman> ubunt userver
[15:29] <Jeremy31> hackerman: If installed manually using a deb file, you could double click on the file and see if the software tool will allow you to remove
[15:29] <leftyfb> hackerman: sudo apt install libseccomp2=2.5.1-1ubuntu1 --reinstall
[15:30] <hackerman> leftyfb E: Version '2.5.1-1ubuntu1' for 'libseccomp2' was not found
[15:30] <ioria> =2.5.1-1ubuntu1~20.04.2
[15:30] <leftyfb> oh, needs the full thing. Not something I do very often :)
[15:31] <hackerman> Looks like that did it - dpkg -l now shows only 2.5.1. Thanks!
[15:32] <leftyfb> hackerman: this is why we recommend sticking with only official ubuntu packages from your running release of ubuntu
[15:33] <hackerman> agreed. 2.5.4 is in 22.04 but haven't upgraded yet. Will stick to os releases moving forward. I think this was an edge case with a specific docker container that required >= 2.5.3
[15:47] <urk> How do I backup folders at the command line?  This morning I ran an update, and it toasted my system.  The update was suspicious since it offered to update 64 packages.
[15:48] <oxfuxxx> tar -cvf backup.tar /path/to/folders
[15:49] <leftyfb> urk: there is no built-in manner to revert a system. You can use rsync to backup your personal files to an separate storage device
[15:49] <leftyfb> urk: what version of ubuntu are you running and what packages were updated and what errors were there? How was your system "toasted"?
[15:50] <jhutchins> !backup
[15:52] <urk> leftyfb:  I don't recall, but it is the most current.
[15:52] <smallville7123> o.o yay https://github.com/DesktopECHO/kWSL works
[15:54] <leftyfb> urk: ok, it seems like you have no interest in fixing it. Use rsync to copy your files to a new storage device and install fresh. Good luck
[15:54] <urk> Oxfuxxx:   Thanks.  I'm trying to get to the command line at bootup.
[15:56] <leftyfb> urk: use a live usb
[15:58] <urk> leftyfb:   I do have an interest in fixing it.  I need to first get to the command line so that I can back up the files, and then will revisit the issue of repair.  Condition is pretty bad so don't know if it can be repaired.
[15:59] <jhutchins> I don't seem to have seen much mention of LVM snapshots as a way to protect against bad upgrades lately.  I've only worked with VMWare snapshots, which are great for that.  Do LVM snapshots work?
[15:59] <ravage> urk, you can mount and fix the system from the live usb too
[16:00] <jhutchins> urk: Vague generalities do not lend themselves to solutions, you'll do better if you can ask specific questions about specific functions.
[16:01] <CSWookie> I want to install tzdata from a script, but it asks a couple of questions about location.  Is there a way to supply them from the command prompt?
[16:02] <CSWookie> More specifically, I want to install it as part of a Dockerfile based on ubuntu:20.04.
[16:04] <kostkon> CSWookie, those 2 envs in your dockerfile: ENV DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive ENV TZ=<your timezone>, then RUN ln -snf /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime \ && echo $TZ > /etc/timezone
[16:05] <CSWookie> Will that make it so that I don't need to install tzdata, or will that make it so my install proceeds without asking?
[16:06] <kostkon> CSWookie, you won't need to install it afaik
[16:06] <ogra> CSWookie, you normally need to pre-seed the debconf prompts if the packge does not actually allow env variables to override them ...
[16:07] <CSWookie> Thanks @kostikon ogra what does pre-seed.
[16:07] <ogra> (not sure what tzdata requires here ... "sudo debconf-show tzdata" shows the currently set data)
[16:07] <ogra> https://wiki.debian.org/PackageManagement/Preseed
[16:07] <CSWookie> Thank you.
[16:09] <ogra> note that if you can use env vars, this is usually easier ... but some prompts require actualy pre-seed values
[16:09] <kostkon> CSWookie, that '\' in ' \ &&' is not supposed to be there, fyi, just happens that that cmd is spread into 2 lines in my Dockerfile
[16:09] <noarb> does ubuntu have some sort of apt cache enabled by default? what is the benefit of using something like Apt-Cacher NG ?
[16:10] <ogra> a package proxy like apt-cacher saves you from re-downloading if you i.e. do package builds in chroots or containers or have many ubuntu machines in a network
[16:11] <noarb> is it just more fully featured than apt-cache? Doesn't a fresh install have some caching enabled by default?
[16:12] <ravage> noarb, a local installation usually downloads a package once. there is no need or any caches
[16:12] <ogra> no idea which one is more featueful ... i tend to use the packageproxy snap (which is based on approx) ...
[16:12] <ravage> *for
[16:16] <nbusrone> leftyfb :  how to force usb flash drive not to automatically un mount ?
[16:19] <Joel> Trying to upgrade 20.04 to 22.04, thoughts on what this trying to tell me? https://gist.github.com/jjshoe/c9f5c03e9533bfb7bceac757cfb36a80
[16:22] <ogra> Joel, i'd guess you have some third party repo eabled and installed docker from there which made a mess
[16:23] <ogra> try "sudo apt -f install"
[16:23] <ogra> that should remove the wrong packages or try to resolve the mess if it can
[16:30] <Joel> ogra will give it a shot, thanks
[16:36] <qqz> Hi, I wanted to update my gpg key at launchpad
[16:36] <qqz> following the instructions I did at first upload it to hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com
[16:37] <qqz> then I registered the fingerprint at launchpad and got an encrypted email
[16:37] <qqz> I have decrypted that email with my key which did work fine
[16:37] <ogra> qqz, there is #launchpad for launchpad support ....
[16:37] <qqz> the key fingerprint in the decrypted message was correct and so I opened the url referenced in the decrypted message
[16:38] <qqz> ahh, ok
[16:42] <Joel> hrumph, I'm certain I've made a mess, haha.
[17:12] <Joel> Hrm, now it's complaining I don't have enough free space in /boot, but I for sure only have a single kernel installed, 22mb short. What a pain.
[17:12] <Joel> https://gist.github.com/jjshoe/3259e34c33e8fe79a5cd6b23108dad4a
[17:13] <Joel> if anyone has tips on how to save more space, lmk :\
[17:13] <ravage> that already looks pretty minimal
[17:13] <ravage> did you create that boot partition yourself?
[17:13] <ravage> i dont think Ubuntu uses one at all on a default install
[17:15] <ravage> i would try to resize that partition with a gparted livecd if possible
[17:15] <ravage> you will always have trouble with any new kernel updates
[17:15] <Joel> I did not create it myself.
[17:16] <ravage> what filesystem is / ?
[17:16] <ravage> is the system encrypted?
[17:17] <Joel> the system is encrypted
[17:17] <ravage> ok that explains that there is a boot partition
[17:18] <Joel> I'm reading I can try setting MODULES=most to MODULES=dep in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf
[17:19] <ravage> that will take up even more space than dep
[17:19] <Joel> ?
[17:19] <ogra> do-release-upgrade will make sure your currently running kernel sticks around, so you can always go back to that one
[17:20] <ravage> he cant go back to anything if he cant start the upgrade ogra :)
[17:20] <ogra> and yes, Modules=dep is a way to slim down the initrd
[17:21] <ravage> getting more space in /boot needs messing with your LVM i think
[17:21] <ravage> i would not touch that without a full backup. and with a full backup you can just do a fresh install
[17:21] <Joel> ogra yeah, trimmed 40mb, should be able to update.
[17:21] <ravage> isnt dep the default?
[17:21] <ogra> nope
[17:21] <ogra> most ...
[17:21] <ravage> ok
[17:21] <ravage> why? :D
[17:22] <ogra> for the biggest compatibility
[17:22] <Joel> ogra thanks again for all your help on the way here
[17:22] <ravage> mkay
[17:22] <ogra> i.e. you can always just replace HW or add a controller or some such withut having to re-build the initrd
[17:22] <ravage> ok. http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man5/initramfs.conf.5.html
[17:22] <ravage> if i could read i knew it :)
[17:22] <Joel> I didn't change the compression option to xz yet, either, so could probably save a little bit more, but figured I'd start with MODULES=dep
[17:22] <ogra> (or stick your disk into a completely different machine)
[17:23] <ravage> my bpool is about 2GB. should be be plenty :)
[17:23] <ogra> dep pretty much tiest it to exactly the HW you run on
[17:23] <ogra> *ties
[17:24] <Joel> ogra good to know. post update I could always switch it back. Might not hurt for me to look into shrinking/growing partitions on an encrypted drive. I had assumed the sizing had something to do with grub requirements
[17:25] <Joel> Though, I won't ever move the hard drive, honestly.
[17:26] <Joel> I'm far more likely to buy a new hd, and mount existing at another mount point, and copy stuff over.
[17:26] <ravage> buy a SSD :)
[17:45] <freakyy85> does ubuntu have any php version below 8.1?
[17:45] <freakyy85> jammy
[17:45] <ravage> no
[17:46] <freakyy85> that sucks, nextcloud doesnt support php8.1
[17:46] <freakyy85> ;)
[17:46] <ravage> there are PPAs. but thats not supported here then
[17:46] <ogra> sudo snap install nextcloud ...
[17:47] <freakyy85> ok thanks all
[17:47] <ogra> (maintained *by* nextcloud themselves)
[17:48] <freakyy85> ogra i already tried installing but im using caddy
[17:48] <freakyy85> and not apache
[17:48] <ogra> ah, well, yeah, with the snap you have to use whats bundled indeed
[17:48] <ravage> freakyy85, the most (and only?) PPA for that is https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/ubuntu/php
[17:49] <gordonjcp> freakyy85: it doesn't matter what Ubuntu has
[17:49] <ogra> you could still use caddy as a frontend server/reverse proxy though
[17:49] <gordonjcp> freakyy85: it's insane to run it on your machine directly, just run it in a docker container
[17:49] <freakyy85> gordon: caddy? or nextcloud?
[17:49] <gordonjcp> freakyy85: both
[17:49] <ravage> why is it insane? i nextcloud on LXC and it works just fine
[17:50] <freakyy85> why? caddy is a webserver
[17:50] <ravage> i find docker more insane
[17:50] <gordonjcp> ravage: well, lxc is still a container
[17:50] <ogra> if you go container, go the full path and use snaps 😉
[17:51] <ogra> (though indeed not if you cant live with the bundled webserver 😄  )
[17:59] <urk> I'm trying to unpack the contents of a tar file on a memory stick, but it isn't unpacking after running tar -xvf file-name.tar.  Also the file-name.tar is red.  Is that normal?
[18:00] <ogra> red means it ihas been marked executable ... (probably wrongly) ... yu can just ignore that
[18:03] <urk> ogra:  How come the file won't unpack?
[18:06] <enigma9o7[m]> What happens when you try?
[18:07] <gordonjcp> urk: maybe it's not a tar file
[18:07] <urk> enigma8o7[m]: nothing at all
[18:08] <urk> It's a tar file.
[18:08] <gordonjcp> are you sure
[18:08] <Jeremy31> urk: >  file filename.tar.gz
[18:08] <urk> The file name is backup.tar
[18:08] <gordonjcp> urk: that doesn't mean it's a tar file
[18:08] <Jeremy31> file backup.tar
[18:09]  * filename urk: > Jeremy31
[18:09] <goddard> is something wrong with the ubuntu iso?
[18:09] <enigma9o7[m]> Nothing, just returns the prompt?
[18:09] <enigma9o7[m]> `tar xf backup.tar`
[18:09] <Jeremy31> goddard: I just did an install earlier
[18:10] <ravage> goddard, the answer is probably no. and there is more than one Ubuntu ISO
[18:10] <goddard> ill try with safe graphics because it just gets stuck and never loads
[18:10] <urk> File name is v
[18:10] <urk> Backup.tar
[18:11] <Jeremy31> Can you check the properties of it in file manager?
[18:12] <urk> I created it when copying the documents, and picture folders to a usb
[18:13] <urk> I have no window manager, and only access to the command line.  Nothing works after the last update.
[18:14] <gordonjcp> urk: what is the output of "file backup.tar"?
[18:23] <phr34k> Can anybody lend me a hand. I just did a version upgrade from 16 to 20.04, seem pretty fine for the most part, but somehow it knocked cloud-init, and it doesn't configure the network properly.
[18:24] <phr34k> I'm just not sure what I can do about it, I'm not that savvy with linux yet, can anybody steer me in the right direction?
[18:26] <alkisg> phr34k: are you talking about cloud-init or about netplan?
[18:28] <phr34k> well it's a ubuntu hosted at digital ocean, cloud-init overwrites the netplan config files, but every time i reboot it basically whipes out the ipv4 address configuration it's supposed to have.
[18:29] <phr34k> I basically got a line like this "Getting data from <class 'cloudinit.sources.DataSourceDigitalOcean.DataSourceDigitalOcean'> failed" somewhere in the cloud init log, I'm not really sure what that's all about though
[19:17] <goddard> any way to manually get my firefox data to the snap or flatpak?
[19:17] <goddard> i tried copy and pasting .mozilla folder but it never works
[19:18] <urk> leftyfb:  I would like to see if I can repair my system, but don't have a clue as to where to begin.   I'm in Live CD, but using the Debian district which doesn't work very well on this co.puter.
[19:20] <urk> I'm using the gpt partition scheme, and it lookske gpt3 is where the corrupted fe system resides.
[19:26] <Joel> update mostly went well, so far only chromium not working, but no shock there
[19:33] <jilocasin> afternoon everyone
[19:34] <Joel> Do snaps still leverage ~/.config for app level storage, or is it something else more complicated now?
[19:34] <jilocasin> does anyone know of a linux command (not shell construct) that can tell if a path resolves to a file or a directory? thanks.
[19:35] <Joel> jilocasin file
[19:36] <alkisg> jilocasin: and `test -f`, `test -d` aren't suitable for your use case?
[19:36] <jilocasin> alkisg: no
[19:37] <alkisg> ...because?
[19:37] <alkisg> They are executables
[19:37] <alkisg> ls /usr/bin/test ....
[19:38] <jilocasin> I need to find a bunch of files.  locate can't tell the difference between files and directories.  Users have named many folders that same as the file I am looking for.  Therefore I need a command that I can pipe the output of locate into and filter out anything that's a directory.
[19:38] <ogra> use find ?
[19:38] <jilocasin> ogra:I started this morning, and it's *still* running.
[19:40] <ioria> jilocasin, stat /path/to/*   is a good command, but idk if it's suitable for your use case
[19:40] <alkisg> locate ... | while read -r f; test -f "$f" && echo "$f"; done
[19:41] <alkisg> I've no idea why you don't like shell constructs, they fit exactly what you described
[19:44] <jilocasin> alkisg: because when I try somerthing like your example, I get errors like this:  -bash: syntax error near unexpected token `done'
[19:44] <ioria> alkisg, you missed a 'do'
[19:44] <Pdq> Happy to report that I was able to fix my system completely, and everything works fine now.  Apparently a full upgrade didn't complete itself properly, but now is working.
[19:45] <Pdq> I didn't have to reinstall.  Thank goodness.
[19:45] <alkisg> jilocasin: what ioria said
[19:45] <alkisg> locate ... | while read -r f; do test -f "$f" && echo "$f"; done
[19:45] <alkisg> Or -d to print directories
[19:46] <jilocasin> alkisg: did it an it runs without returning anything
[19:47] <alkisg> Paste two lines of sample output
[19:47] <alkisg> (of your locate command)
[19:48] <alkisg> E.g. this one prints all files that contain "share", but not the directory /usr/share:    locate share | while read -r f; do test -f "$f" && echo "$f"; done
[19:49] <ioria> jilocasin, or   locate <filename> | xargs ls -dl | grep -v ^d
[19:50] <ioria> jilocasin, if you really want to use 'locate'
[19:52] <jilocasin> ioria: no, but my only other option is find, and it's taking *hours* to search.
[19:58] <jilocasin> my locate command is: sudo locate -e -b -r ^foo$
[19:59] <ioria> nope, it does find directories too
[19:59] <ioria> you said no directories
[20:02] <ctnxbq> for find to be slow you'd need to have 100500 billion files in your system
[20:02] <jilocasin> ctnxbq: close
[20:02] <ioria> yep, suspicious
[20:02] <jilocasin> ioria: there isn't a locate option (that I know of) that will only return files.
[20:03] <ioria> jilocasin, nope, but can build it :    locate <filename> | xargs ls -dl | grep -v ^d
[20:03] <jilocasin> ioria: tried it, fails becasue each part needs to be run as sudo
[20:04] <ioria> jilocasin, nope
[20:05] <Guest32> I bricked a chromebook trying to install ubuntu (via usb). I now have a new chromebook (11e chromebook thinkpad). is this computer compatible with ubuntu?
[20:05] <ioria> jilocasin, you 're doing something really wrong there
[20:06] <jilocasin> ioria: I just tried it, I set the first part as sudo, as I have to, and then the second complains that I don't have permissions to ls -dl, and if I try to xarg sudo -s " " then it complains that there's no ls-dl |grep command
[20:06] <ctnxbq> just thinking, find needs to go recursively over directories. Will then the timestamp for directories updated too (i.e. each read causes write) if noatime is not set for a partition?
[20:06] <ioria> jilocasin, it's not ls-dl but ls -dl   (there is a space)
[20:07] <ioria> jilocasin, btw, good luck
[20:08] <jilocasin> ioria: yes I know that (see the first part of my comment) the second part was just a type on my end.
[20:08] <jilocasin> thanks and take care
[20:08] <Joel> Ugh, One other broken thing, ddccontrol no longer works for switching monitors *sob* most painful thing to have go in my upgrade. grrr.
[20:27] <TrippyJ> Aloha! Does there exist something I can install that provides some good, basic diagnostics for my VPS that I can access via web? CPU, disk, RAM, stuff like that - ideally, I'd like to be able to serve it from my current web server, but that isn't a strict requirement
[20:28] <freakyy85> Oh yes thatd be smth interesting
[20:29] <TrippyJ> I seen a java solution the produced a jar, but ... eh. I'd like the information to go to a database or something
[20:29] <leftyfb> TrippyJ: https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/kibana/current/metrics.html
[20:29] <freakyy85> Webinterface with cool graphics
[20:30] <freakyy85> Systemstats
[20:31] <TrippyJ> Yeah like uhh
[20:31] <TrippyJ> htop
[20:31] <TrippyJ> hmm I wonder if I can just grab the information from that for web, actually
[20:31] <leftyfb> TrippyJ: I gave you a link
[20:31] <TrippyJ> I am reading that one also, but having trouble understanding it
[20:32] <leftyfb> TrippyJ: regardless, #ubuntu-offtopic would be more appropriate for software opinions. This is a support channel
[20:34] <jhutchins> TrippyJ: Not quite what you asked for, but you might look at Nagios, Icinga, and CheckMK.  They're meant for remote monitoring of more than one server, but they do the job.
[20:35] <leftyfb> TrippyJ: what you're looking for will not be as simple as "sudo apt install magic-application"
[20:36] <TrippyJ> Indeed, but I am pretty sure it is just a couple lines of code actually, now, for the basics that I wanted. I am checking out some of the stuff jhutchins mentioned, but I don't think the Kibana Metrics applies to my use case
[20:37] <leftyfb> it 100% does and will do a better job of it than any of the ones jhutchins suggestion. Those are more meant for a NOC to monitor and respond to issues. I sounds like you're looking for pretty historical graphs
[20:38] <leftyfb> while nagios/icinga/checkmk can do graphs, they are neither pretty nor "a couple lines of code" to get working
[20:38] <leftyfb> because that isn't what they are meant for
[20:39] <freakyy85> Hm
[20:41] <jhutchins> I would say CheckMK qualifies as pretty (for some values of pretty).
[21:16] <de-facto> hmm sometimes the hot corner or the exposee feature is "stuck" on gnome 42
[21:17] <de-facto> repeatedly pressing super key brings it back to some deterministic state
[21:17] <de-facto> sometimes i cant even choose windows in the exposee view via mouse
[21:17] <leftyfb> !bug | de-facto
[21:18] <de-facto> no idea about details such as package or bug, just an observation
[21:20] <leftyfb> de-facto: start with the "gnome-shell" package
[21:21] <de-facto> i cant even reliably reproduce it yet, i just observe it sometimes
[21:21] <de-facto> did not understand what leads to that state yet
[21:21] <leftyfb> de-facto: that's fine, just report the bug
[21:21] <leftyfb> report what you know
[21:25] <imi> how do I change between icon themes? I want the default high contrast black and white back
[21:27] <leftyfb> imi: install gnome-tweaks
[21:43] <enigma9o7[m]> imi: with gnome, right?
[21:47] <enigma9o7[m]> assuming yes, then open gnome tweaks, go to apperance tab, and click the little down arrow next to icons, and chose highcontrast
[22:48] <goddard> many flatpak apps can run
[22:48] <goddard>  (gnome-extensions-app:3): Gtk-WARNING **: 18:46:54.346: cannot open display:
[22:48] <goddard> says this
[22:49] <leftyfb> goddard: flatpak isn't officially supported on ubuntu
[23:01] <imi> how do I change between icon themes? I want the default high contrast black and white back (wayland most probably)
[23:01] <leftyfb> imi: you've been answered twice
[23:02] <imi> ok thanks
[23:05] <imi> that changes the window appearance I mean the icons on the left
[23:12] <goddard> / #flatpak
[23:13] <enigma9o7[m]> imi, i already answered you.  did it not work as I described?
[23:40] <kjazhedera> hola!
[23:44] <wez> G'day.


[00:48] <jander99> so many old bugs.
[00:48] <dtchen> s/old//
[00:48] <jander99> Well yes, so many bugs
[00:49] <yofel> so many new bugs without a package...
[00:49] <yofel> ~2400 ...
[00:49] <jander99> I'm trying to work bugs back from 2007.
[00:51] <jander99> New / Undecided ~23600 yofel :(
[00:52] <yofel> i know :(
[00:53] <yofel> anybody an idea what to do with bugs filed against ubuntu that are about including packages on the live-cd ?
[00:53] <jander99> are the packages *only* used for the livecd?
[00:55] <yofel> well depends, right now I mean something like bug 400573 which is more a usability issue
[00:55] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 400573 in wvdial "[include in live-cd] wvdial (1.60.1+nmu2)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/400573
[00:56] <BUGabundo> yofel: not sure! you should ask CC
[00:56] <BUGabundo> or some Main dev
[00:57] <yofel> you think that's something worth asking in #ubuntu-devel ?
[00:57] <jander99> At first glance, I wanna say maybe NetworkManager should be worked on to be better, rather than using yet another program to accomplish the same thing. But that's my opinion.
[00:57] <BUGabundo> for a better answer, yeah
[00:57] <BUGabundo> jander99: in this case, sure
[00:58] <BUGabundo> im replying to a more broader case
[00:58] <BUGabundo> for this case I guess asac opinion would be enough
[01:01] <jander99> bug 122619 is about a package no longer in the latest release of Ubuntu, but also again a version that's reached EOL.  So how do I tackle this?  The package is still valid in supported versions, but the bug is against an older version.
[01:01] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 122619 in qtorrent "[apport] qtorrent crashed with AttributeError in __stop()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122619
[01:02] <andresmujica> won't fix explaining the reasons
[01:03] <jander99> Good enough for me. Thanks
[01:03] <jander99> hmm. i can't choose Wont Fix.
[01:03] <yofel> jander99: Won't Fix is for Bug Control only
[01:04] <jander99> So should I mark incomplete, with the stated reasons?
[01:04] <andresmujica> write the reason i'll mark it as won't fix
[01:04] <BUGabundo> jander99: no
[01:04] <jander99> Okay. Thanks.
[01:05] <Ampelbein> jander99: i think the report is still valid, looking at the package the code affected has not changed much. and Intrepid is still supported, so why won't fix?
[01:05] <BUGabundo> andresmujica: like the new ajax status thingies on LP ?
[01:05] <andresmujica> hmm not really
[01:05] <BUGabundo> :S
[01:05] <Ampelbein> (despite the fact that upstream appears dead and there's no further development going on)
[01:05] <andresmujica> first time i've used i made a mess
[01:06] <BUGabundo> Ampelbein: great thing about bugs: they can always be re-opened
[01:06] <BUGabundo> :))
[01:06] <jander99> Ampelbein: That's where I'm struggling to figure out where this little bug belongs.  The report is filed against a still-active version of qtorrent, but from an older Distro.  I don't have a copy of Intrepid to test this on.
[01:06] <BUGabundo> also there are sooo many more alternatives, with active development
[01:07] <Ampelbein> BUGabundo: yeah right. so you close all bugs older than 2 months because they can be reopened? (you can use launchpadlib for that).... just kidding ;-)
[01:08] <Ampelbein> jander99: i'd set to incomplete, asking for confirmation and close after ~4 weeks of no answer.
[01:10] <BUGabundo> Ampelbein: /me is ashamed to admit he doesn't even close his own bugs after stuff getting fixed
[01:10] <jander99> Ampelbein: Done.  I also explained 7.04 is EOL but the package is available in Hardy and Intrepid. If it gets a hit confirming the existence in Hardy or Intrepid we can go from there.
[01:10] <BUGabundo> but then again, not many ppl open as many bugs as me :)
[01:10] <Ampelbein> jander99: thanks.
[01:12] <jander99> Ampelbein, no problem.  I'm tired of seeing so many bugs that may or may not seem meaningless against the raw number of open bugs.  So I'm trying to start with the oldest untouched bugs and get them someplace.
[01:13] <BUGabundo> jander99: feel free to close any of my opened bugs pre-jaunty
[01:13] <BUGabundo> and even those.....
[01:14] <BUGabundo> I'm on karmic so I can't test heh
[01:14] <BUGabundo> jander99: if you have any questions, ping me, I'm usually around
[01:14] <jander99> Well at this point I'm going through "New Undecided" sorted by least recently updated.  So I'm dealing with bugs from 2007.
[01:14] <BUGabundo> YoBoY did a great job a few months ago closing over 200 of my bugs
[01:15] <BUGabundo> jander99: I've been filing bugs since 2006
[01:15] <BUGabundo> eheh
[01:15] <BUGabundo> so you will find bugs from me for sure
[01:16] <jander99> I'm still just finding it hard to determine whether a bug is truly valid or not.  I'd rather not invalidate a bug if its of some importance and still exists in the latest stable release or an LTS release.  I'd at least like to bring them back to the attention of someone who could make a more definitive choice than I can.
[01:17] <andresmujica> bugabundo: did you get the multiple volume controls ???
[01:18] <BUGabundo> andresmujica: yep
[01:18] <BUGabundo> jander99: just keep in mind most of those are now too old.... users gone, users that can't retest, fixed, etc
[01:19] <BUGabundo> a few months ago a triagger touch a bug I filed on 6.10...... yeah right! so now what? kill it
[01:55]  * BUGabundo stolen from @yofel: gn folks [mv /dev/awake /dev/bed]
[03:52] <MT-> Did I handle this bug right? bug 129702
[03:53] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 129702 in human-cursors-theme ""Loading" mouse pointer's hotspot is off" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129702
[04:01]  * micahg is checking...
[04:02] <micahg> MT-: no, unofrtunately
[04:03] <MT-> what should I have done better?
[04:03] <micahg> I believe he was stating that it still exists on the current ubuntu release
[04:03] <micahg> Your intent was correct
[04:03] <micahg> if the bug was limited to the EOL release it would have been the correct action
[04:04] <MT-> oh - i thought that's how he meant it
[04:04] <micahg> and you were also correct to quote the CoC even though he was aware of it, he was not atbiding by i
[04:04] <micahg> *abiding by it
[04:04] <micahg> so, +1 for effort
[04:04] <MT-> :)
[04:05] <micahg> I'd mark it confirmed and check upstream for a related bug
[04:05]  * micahg is not quite sure where upstream is for this
[04:05] <MT-> I tried to reproduce it myself on 9.04
[04:05] <micahg> and to save yourself anotehr screaming match
[04:05] <micahg> oh?
[04:05] <micahg> and it doesn't happen?
[04:05] <MT-> no
[04:06] <MT-> I'm wondering if him using the prereleased version may have screwed up a config though
[04:06] <micahg> then set back to incomplete and see if the user is running 9.04
[04:06] <micahg> possibly
[04:06]  * micahg doesn't know too much about themes
[04:06] <micahg> possibly video driver related?
[04:06] <micahg> are you using the fglrx driver?
[04:07] <MT-> I am on my desktop
[04:07] <MT-> My laptop is just intel :(
[04:08] <MT-> micahg: would lspci be helpful perhaps?
[04:08] <micahg> lshw -C video will tell you
[04:09] <micahg> his original report showed fglrx
[04:09] <MT-> neat command :)
[04:10] <MT-> micahg: what command shows what driver is being used?
[04:10] <micahg> what do you mean?
[04:11] <MT-> to see if they actually are using fglrx?
[04:11] <micahg> in the output of lshw -C video, it shows the driver usually
[04:11] <micahg> http://pastebin.com/f4404f48d
[04:12] <micahg> line 11 :)
[04:12] <MT-> oh - mine doesn't have that :P
[04:12] <micahg> it doesn't have a configuration line?
[04:13] <MT-> configuration: latency=0
[04:13] <MT-> that's the line
[04:14] <micahg> ah, then are you using hte free intel drivers?
[04:14] <MT-> yup
[04:15] <micahg> yeah, I think it only displays restricted drivers
[04:15] <micahg> but I"m not sure
[04:15] <MT-> oh
[04:17] <micahg> Is it only a gnome issue?
[04:17] <micahg> or any flavor of ubuntu with the theme?
[04:18]  * micahg can test with fglrx
[04:18] <micahg> how do I enable a theme?
[04:18] <MT-> you means there's more than just one flavor!? :P - I forget that there's anything other than a cli install sometimes.
[04:19]  * micahg is running Xubuntu
[04:19] <MT-> gnome-apearance-properties i believe
[04:19]  * micahg doesn't have that...
[04:19]  * MT- has no idea
[04:19]  * micahg might have a live CD around...
[04:20]  * MT- uses obconfig :P
[04:20]  * micahg will try with a LiveCD in Virtualbox
[04:20] <MT-> actually - all I use anymore is vim .conf/opebbox/rc.xml :P
[04:20] <MT-> that's what I did - except I installed
[04:25] <micahg> a VM test might not be valid
[04:26] <micahg> it has its own video drivers
[04:27] <MT-> that's what I did first - I did try my desktop with the fglrx driver too
[04:29] <MT-> micahg: If a bug is confirmed, where do you assign a bug in the mouse?
[04:30] <jander99> Hi all.  I'm working on resolving an older bug, number 125609, and the issue is with the source package from the maintainer of that package. How do I deal with this case?
[04:31] <jander99> er, bug 125609
[04:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 125609 in irqbalance "X is required to build irqbalance" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/125609
[04:33] <micahg>  MT- what do you mean?
[04:34] <micahg> jander99: have you seen the reply to that bug?
[04:34] <MT-> micahg: I was looking at another bug with the mouse pointer and I confirmed it.
[04:35] <micahg> ah, ok
[04:35] <micahg> MT-: I would ask in #ubuntu-x
[04:36] <jander99> micahg: Yes, I've read it.  I can confirm the bug exists as the reporter has stated.  Should I file a bug upstream and just label it confirmed? The upstream is google code, and I'd rather not file the bug myself.  But its not actually a bug in Ubuntu, just the package itself.
[04:37] <MT-> ok
[04:37] <micahg> jander99: are the build dependencies actually required?
[04:38] <jander99> micahg: Makefile for irqbalance calls gccmakedep (which I don't have on my system). I guess I could fire up my VM and see how to get gccmakedep
[04:41] <micahg> jander99: you can check on packages.ubuntu.com
[04:42] <micahg> MT-: was the theme bug that the arrow and the spinner show?
[04:44] <micahg> jander99: that's in xutils-dev
[04:45] <micahg> I don't understand why you need to buld xutils-dev to make a package with it
[04:45] <jander99> micahg: Thanks, packages.ubuntu.com is being terribly slow for me.  So I think its confirmed for Ubuntu, yet its an issue for the maintainer of the package, not for Ubuntu.
[04:45] <micahg> *build
[04:45] <micahg> yeah
[04:45] <micahg> it seems to be broke
[04:45] <micahg> I had it installed
[04:45] <micahg> so I checked with dpkg -S executable
[04:45] <micahg> <executable?
[04:46] <micahg> ugh
[04:46] <micahg> you know what I mean
[04:46] <MT-> micahg: it was that the pointer moves when going from the waiting to normal pointer
[04:47] <MT-> "As this pointer has a throbber superimposed onto a normal arrow"
[04:47] <jander99> micahg: Yes, thank you.  I guess I'll mark as confirmed, at least in the way he worded it.  I'm trying to see how far back this particular version goes.  I could direct the reporter to file a bug with the package maintainer. hmm.
[04:47] <micahg> jander99: I don't know if it is confirmed
[04:47] <micahg> I'd say hop in #ubuntu-x and ask them
[04:48] <micahg> MT-: not quite sure what a throbber is
[04:48] <micahg> it has the spinner on the arrow
[04:48] <micahg> it doesn't move...
[04:48] <micahg> at least in the LiveCD
[04:48] <micahg> again, maybe it's an fglrx issue
[04:48]  * micahg would probably need gnome to test and that's not happening :)
[04:49] <MT-> I tested in gnome
[04:49] <micahg> indeed, but you don't have fglrx
[04:49] <MT-> I don't test much on this system - it's pretty trimmed down
[04:49] <MT-> I do on my desktop ;)
[04:49] <micahg> you can hop in #ubuntu-x and see if anyone has fglrx and gnome
[04:49] <micahg> is that where you tested?
[04:49] <MT-> yup
[04:50] <micahg> 64 bit or 32 but?
[04:50] <micahg> *bit
[04:50] <MT-> 32
[04:50] <micahg> ok
[04:50] <MT-> it's an old old junker
[04:50] <micahg> with what version of Ubuntu, Jaunty?
[04:50] <MT-> ya
[04:51] <micahg> MT-: actually apport-collect would probably be better
[04:52] <micahg> we need to confirm he is on Jaunty
[04:52] <micahg> MT-: have you seen the responses page?
[04:52] <micahg> sorry
[04:52] <micahg> just saw your comment on the bug
[04:53] <MT-> I wonder if this would be the right package for that mouse bug - xserver-xorg-input-mouse
[04:53] <micahg> bug #?
[04:53] <MT-> 259060
[04:53] <MT-> bug 259060
[04:53] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 259060 in human-cursors-theme "left handed cursor does not switch pointer orientation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/259060
[04:54] <micahg> hmmm
[04:54] <micahg> what did ubuntu-x say?
[04:54] <MT-> nothing yet
[04:55] <jander99> quiet bunch in there.
[04:55] <micahg> well, it is the weekend
[04:55] <jander99> Yeah.
[04:55] <micahg> and the people in europe are still sleeping
[04:55] <MT-> weekend is the busiest time for me
[04:55] <micahg> MT-: I would say it depends if there is already some way for the theme to know if it's right or left handed
[04:56] <micahg> if that exists and the theme is choosing to display the same thing, it's a wishlist in the theme
[04:56] <MT-> I tried other themes with the same result
[04:56] <micahg> otherwise, it would be in the theme and the mouse driver
[04:56] <MT-> idk if that changes anything
[04:56] <micahg> MT-: same as?
[04:56] <micahg> it changes or no?
[04:56] <MT-> no change
[04:57] <MT-> i suspect it's not just ubuntu though
[04:57] <MT-> I don't wanna test either :P
[04:57] <micahg> ok, I'd say check with ubuntu-x tomorrow to see if that's supported
[04:57] <MT-> ok
[04:58] <micahg> no point in making lots of noise in the bugs
[04:58] <MT-> thanks :)
[04:59] <micahg> np, feel free to come back with more questions
[04:59] <MT-> I think bug stuff is done for me tonight - I need to go to work soon. I'm thinking of getting there about 0000 instead of my nromal 0200
[04:59] <micahg> ah, ok
[04:59]  * micahg is just starting for the night :)
[04:59] <jander99> micahg, I downloaded the irqbalance package and the Makefile has gccmakedep in it as well.  I think the Ubuntu package is just a debianized version of the vanilla package.
[05:00] <MT-> that's why my ssytem was running hot!
[05:00] <micahg> that's usually how it is jander99
[05:00] <MT-> I left the vm on
[05:00] <micahg> ah
[05:00] <micahg> jander99: can you make it with just xutils-dev installed?
[05:01] <jander99> I'll try that, stepped outside for a moment.  Built a VM today and snapshotted it with a default Jaunty64 install.
[05:01] <jander99> Gonna come in handy heh.
[05:17] <jander99> micahg: Thanks for your help, getting late here so I'll work on this bug tomorrow.  Hopefully I can get some sort of resolution. :)
[05:34] <micahg> ok
[05:37] <MT-> @config list plugins.bantracker.bansite
[05:37] <ubot4> MT-: Error: 'supybot.plugins.bantracker.bansite' is not a valid configuration variable.
[05:37] <MT-> lol = wrong chan
[05:42] <MT-> @bugtracker add malone malone https://launchpad.net/malone Malone
[05:42] <ubot4> MT-: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
[09:23] <bananeweizen> I want to close a bug for the first time in launchpad.
[09:24] <bananeweizen> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/86103 is a (meanwhile fixed) Java6 bug.
[09:24] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 86103 in sun-java6 "azureus-> java: xcb_xlib.c:50: xcb_xlib_unlock: Assertion `c->xlib.lock' failed." [High,Fix released]
[09:24] <bananeweizen> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/181582 is a duplicate, set to no project and with status "new"
[09:24] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 181582 in ubuntu "java application are not working anymore (dup-of: 86103)" [Undecided,New]
[09:24] <bananeweizen> I would set the duplicate to project java6 and afterwards close it fixed.
[09:24] <bananeweizen> Is taht right?
[09:46] <bananeweizen> Well, I now found, that a duplicate cannot be closed, if the original bug is still open for another project.
[09:47] <bananeweizen> Thanks for not helping. Quite a nice first bug triaging experience... :\
[09:49] <Hobbsee> !weekend
[09:49] <ubot4> It's a weekend.  Often on weekends, the paid developers, and a lot of the community, may not be around to answer your question.  Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would, or try again during the working week.
[09:50] <Hobbsee> (particularly applicable on sundays)
[10:35] <luca__> hi
[10:36] <luca__> i fixed a bug in Usplash.. it's my first time doing something like this.. where should i post/tell/write the fix ?
[10:37] <bossekr> hi folks, I would like to track bugs reported over ubuntu and looking for a query to select all ubuntu bugs... any idear ?
[10:38] <micahg> bossekr: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[10:38] <bossekr> I'm looking for something like http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?maint=bossekr%40debian.org
[10:39] <micahg> luca__: first, a bug haas to be filed
[10:39] <luca__> where ?
[10:39] <luca__> My first time..
[10:40] <micahg> ah usplash pacakge?
[10:40] <micahg> then follow this procedure: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO#Patch%20Testing%20and%20Review
[10:40] <luca__> well there is a bug in the source of usplash..
[10:40] <micahg> yes, but a report needs to be filed to track the change
[10:41] <micahg> luca__: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+filebug
[10:41] <micahg> hmm, not sure bossekr
[10:44] <micahg> bossekr: check in #ubuntu-motu to see if they have any tricks
[10:44] <micahg> don't know if anyone's around though
[10:47] <bossekr> will launchpad close bugs for ubuntu if there is a Close: statement in previous versions ?
[10:53] <micahg> previous versions?
[10:53] <micahg> if the appropriate message is in teh changelog it will close it
[10:53] <micahg> they can be made in debian too and when we import, it will close the bug
[10:55] <luca__> well i added my fix to this bug report https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/257181
[10:55] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 257181 in usplash ".text_background does not palette color correctly" [Undecided,New]
[10:56] <micahg> luca, that won't work
[10:56] <luca__> hm ?
[10:56] <micahg> you can't just add fixes as text
[10:56] <luca__> why not ?
[10:57] <micahg> You need to provide a debdiff or at least a patch file: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO#Patch%20Testing%20and%20Review
[10:58] <luca__> whats a patchfile :P ?
[10:58] <luca__> gah this looks like work...
[10:58] <micahg> create a patch file between the original and the revised versions
[10:59] <luca__> the bug is not that important that i would do this Oo
[10:59] <micahg> but I think the motus want a debdiff
[10:59] <micahg> They're very busy...
[10:59] <luca__> -__- well I will try it
[11:01] <micahg> it depends how fast you want it to get in really...
[11:01] <luca__> :P
[11:01] <micahg> eventually, someone will see what you posted
[11:01] <micahg> and do the work
[11:01] <luca__> well it's my first time doing this.. so it looks a little confusing to me..
[11:02] <micahg> but if they have a debdiff, it might make it into karmic, or you can ask them if it's worth it
[11:02] <micahg> #ubuntu-motu can help you
[11:02] <micahg> +1 for effort though :)
[11:18] <luca__> usplash source: out-of-date-standards-version 3.7.3 (current is 3.8.0)
[11:19] <luca__> huch ?
[11:19] <luca__> does this mean i have old sources ?
[11:19] <micahg> maybe
[11:19] <micahg> what version did you pull down
[11:19] <luca__> hm i got my source from ubuntu server..
[11:19] <micahg> it usually means the package needs to be update
[11:19] <micahg> updated by the maintainer
[11:19] <micahg> don't worry about it
[11:19] <luca__> hm okay
[11:22] <luca__> buhhh
[11:22] <luca__> i think i have my debdif now
[11:23] <luca__> debdiff
[11:25] <micahg> ok, someone can probably help you with that in #ubuntu-motu
[11:25]  * micahg is signing off
[15:53] <bcurtiswx> bananeweizen: triaging isn't necessarily about closing bugs.  its about getting them into a state that the developers can work on it.  There are a lot of intermediate things that can stop a bug in this process.  Things like incomplete information, or finding duplicates.  You best first triage experience should be working with another triager to understand the process.  Hands on is the best way in this case.
[15:53]  * bcurtiswx glues micahg down
[15:53] <BUGabundo> ahahaahahahah
[15:54] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx: nice definition
[15:54] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx: what did micahg do this time?
[15:54] <bcurtiswx> BUGabundo: thanks.. and micahg said they were signing off, so i stopped this from happening
[15:55] <bcurtiswx> i know its like 4 hours later
[15:55] <bcurtiswx> but better late then never they say
[15:57] <BUGabundo> but micahg is not here
[15:57] <BUGabundo> but give me context
[15:57] <BUGabundo> I have no idea what you are refering to
[15:57] <bcurtiswx> (04:25:20 AM) ***micahg is signing off
[15:58] <bcurtiswx> its like 9am on a sunday... im still not all "there"
[15:58] <BUGabundo> $ dateSun Jul 19 15:58:36 WEST 2009
[15:58] <bcurtiswx> almost 4PM
[15:58] <bcurtiswx> nice
[15:59] <bcurtiswx> im just starting my Sunday
[17:46] <LimCore> hello world
[17:46] <LimCore> so, I have this Ubuntu that doesn't log into X from GDM,  but if you VT1 -> startx works. nothing in dmesg, messages nor Xorg.log nor ~/.xsession-errors.   Someone want to point me what to debug before I reinstall this?
[17:47] <jjesse> are you running karmic or jaunty?  if karmic i thought i saw some discussion about problems that way
[17:51] <BUGabundo> hey LimCore. you are on the wrong #
[17:51] <BUGabundo> #ubuntu-bugs is to help bug triage
[17:51] <BUGabundo> for support please visit #ubuntu
[17:51] <BUGabundo> or #ubuntu+1 for karmic.
[17:51] <BUGabundo> thank you
[17:55] <LimCore> Im not here for support, BUGabundo, you seem to miss the point, please read again
[17:55] <BUGabundo> LimCore: just did. that doesn't seem appropriated for this channel
[17:56] <BUGabundo> not that if someone knows, can't help you ! :p
[17:56] <LimCore> Triaging bugs consists of several things:     * Ensuring that new bugs have all the necessary information.
[17:57] <BUGabundo> yes true
[17:57] <bcurtiswx> LimCore: do you have a specific bug # you are working with?
[18:02] <jander99> Is packages.ubuntu.com still down?
[18:02] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: if you are available, may I PM you?
[18:03] <BUGabundo> evanrmurphy: that's so naughty of you :)
[18:04] <BUGabundo> jander99: seems so http://isthisdownforyou.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpackages.ubuntu.com%2F
[18:05] <bcurtiswx> nice site
[18:05] <BUGabundo> eheh
[18:05] <BUGabundo> found it like 2 weeks ago
[18:05] <BUGabundo> very good to remote test a site
[18:05] <jander99> BUGabundo: Thanks.  Is there another way to check what package a particular file resides in?
[18:06] <LimCore> jander99: there is apt-file search xxx
[18:07] <jander99> Will that search for files not installed on my system?
[18:07] <BUGabundo> jander99: dpkg -S PACAKGE
[18:07] <BUGabundo> jander99: it will search on your apt DB
[18:08] <LimCore> jander99: yes it will
[18:21] <jander99> I'm working on bug 125609 and think I have a solution.  it requires changing the source, how should I proceed?
[18:21] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 125609 in irqbalance "X is required to build irqbalance" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/125609
[18:22] <micahg> jander99: have you talked to ubuntu-x?
[18:22] <BUGabundo> hey micahg
[18:22] <micahg> hi BUGabundo
[18:23] <jander99> micahg: Hi, no need to.  gccmakedep is the same as gcc -M.  I just changed the Makefile so it used gcc instead of gccmakedep and thus ends the dependency of xutils-dev
[18:23] <LimCore> bcurtiswx: not yet, because while gathering info to report the bug, I seem to resolve it
[18:23] <micahg> jander99: process for patches is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU#MOTU Processes
[18:23] <micahg> that's not right...
[18:24] <micahg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO#Patch%20Testing%20and%20Review
[18:24] <micahg> that's better
[18:24] <BUGabundo> LimCore: evev if fixed for you, maybe having that info where some other user with the same prob, can find it, would be kewl, right?
[18:24] <micahg> jander99: does the programs need xutils though?
[18:25] <micahg> well, doesn't look like it by the dependencies
[18:25] <micahg> ...
[18:25] <jander99> micahg, no, as far as I can tell it only depends on xutils because the Makefile calls a binary in it.
[18:25] <micahg> ok
[18:26] <micahg> I'd say go for it if you can, that wiki page denotes the process
[18:28] <LimCore> BUGabundo: yeap I will probably report the bug,  ONCE I am done fixing and testing it
[18:29] <BUGabundo> eeh
[18:29] <BUGabundo> ok ok
[18:35] <jander99> What kind of diff does Ubuntu prefer, in terms of a patch?
[18:35] <BUGabundo> a branch on launchpad jander99
[18:36] <micahg> or a debdiff, per the wiki
[18:38] <BUGabundo> micahg: old wiki entrie?
[18:38] <micahg> not necessarily
[18:38] <micahg> IDK
[18:38] <micahg> you can ping ubuntu-motu as it's their entry
[18:40] <jander99> This is my first time writing a patch. So I feel a little lost.  heh
[18:41] <micahg> ok, I'd say hop in #ubuntu-motu for help, we just get the bug to Triaged, they take it from there
[18:42] <jander99> micahg: Ok, thanks.  You guys have been great help since I'm still a newb at this heh
[18:42] <micahg> no problem, we love people coming in and helping
[18:46] <bcurtiswx> i code as part of my graduate studies, but ive really never seen a basic code for gnome.  Is there a place I can find one, maybe to get a better understanding of it?
[18:47] <micahg> basic code?
[18:47] <bcurtiswx> more like a "hello world" type gnome code
[18:47] <bcurtiswx> give beginners a taste
[18:48] <micahg> bcurtiswx: #ubuntu-motu would be the place to ask I think...
[18:57] <BUGabundo> "micahg1 seems to be unliked too.  He/She got  beaten 1 times. "
[18:57] <BUGabundo> "pedro_ is a very loving person.  He hugged others 14  times. "
[18:58]  * BUGabundo yeah BUGabundo is reading #s stats again :)
[18:58] <BUGabundo> maco wrote the longest lines, averaging 57.0 letters per line.
[18:58] <BUGabundo> #ubuntu-bugs average was 51.0 letters per line.
[18:58] <BUGabundo> BUGabundo wrote the shortest lines, averaging 31.4 characters per  line.
[18:58] <BUGabundo> d'oh
[18:58] <BUGabundo>  BUGabundo spoke a total of 39508 words!
[18:58] <BUGabundo> BUGabundo's faithful follower, hggd,  didn't speak so much: 38571 words.
[18:58] <bcurtiswx> lol
[18:58] <BUGabundo> Channel average was 8.04 words per line.
[18:59] <BUGabundo> http://ubuntustats.dnsalias.net/ubuntu-bugs.html
[18:59] <bcurtiswx> bcurtiswx1
[18:59] <bcurtiswx> wtf :P
[19:00] <BUGabundo> "BUGabundo always lets us know what he's doing: 162 actions!"
[19:00] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx: better register that and merge with your nick :)
[19:02] <bcurtiswx> done
[19:04] <bcurtiswx> why are some people blue
[19:07] <BUGabundo> ah?
[19:08]  * BUGabundo points finger to Gender separation!!! bad andresmujica
[19:09]  * micahg thinks it's fairly random
[19:15] <andresmujica> no Gender separation!!  until a few months ago i was pretty sure that lean was a male name.. until i saw a video from her !!!
[19:16] <BUGabundo> heehhehehehe
[19:16] <BUGabundo> andresmujica: sent you the avatar link. did you get ir ?
[19:16] <BUGabundo> *it
[19:16] <jander99> micahg: I think I've gotten this bug triaged correctly.  Can you take a look and let me know if there's anything else I can do?  bug 125609
[19:16] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 125609 in irqbalance "X is required to build irqbalance" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/125609
[19:16] <andresmujica> yeap.. just regenerated the page.. let's take a look
[19:17] <micahg> jander99: what do you think the importance should be?
[19:17] <micahg> !importance
[19:17] <ubot4> You can learn about setting bug importance at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance
[19:18] <jander99> Considering there is a binary available, and this is a very corner case, I'd say low.
[19:18] <micahg> I agree
[19:19] <micahg> andresmujica: any way to link google code bugs up top, or does there need to be a project for the package?
[19:20] <andresmujica> hmm, i believe a project for the package is needed.. not sure...
[19:20] <micahg> jander99: you should probably subscribe to receive updates and update the bug if upstream gets back to you
[19:20] <micahg> ok
[19:20] <micahg> I'm going to mark triaged -> Low as jander99 upstreamed it
[19:20] <jander99> micahg: Thanks. :)
[19:20] <micahg> np, thank YOU for doing the work
[19:21] <micahg> were you at this all night?
[19:22] <jander99> Little bit last night, little bit today.  Maybe 3 hours total? Alot of that just learning proper methods and such.
[19:22] <micahg> ah, ok
[19:23] <jander99> Procedures on the wiki are a bit...generic. No one's fault as there is a learning curve to all this.
[19:23] <micahg> well, you can propose changes to the wiki
[19:24] <alex-weej> MT-: you are unbelievable.
[19:24] <jander99> Well unfortunately there aren't really changes to the wiki that need to happen, at least not yet.  Once I get more experience at triage I might see a better way to do things, then make a proposal.
[19:25] <micahg> ok
[19:26] <micahg> ping MT-
[19:27] <MT-> micahg: You were looking at bug 129702 with me. Could you please talk to alex-weej. He's obviously not listening to anything I'm trying to tell him.
[19:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 129702 in dmz-cursor-theme ""Loading" mouse pointer's hotspot is off" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129702
[19:27] <micahg> alex-weej: I'm assuming you're on jaunty
[19:28]  * MT- will just listen
[19:28] <alex-weej> micahg: and karmic
[19:29]  * micahg thought so...
[19:29] <micahg> MT-: you cannot assume because the bug is reported against an older release that the user is using the older release
[19:29] <alex-weej> MT-: you could do yourself a favour when "triaging" bugs like this and check the upload date of the latest version of the software
[19:29] <hggdh> er. *should* not assume
[19:29] <micahg> alex-weej: is the theme now correctly labeled in the bug?
[19:29] <MT-> micahg: I did ask though
[19:30] <micahg> hggdh: right :)
[19:31] <micahg> alex-weej: MT- is new at this, new triagers sometimes get overzealous in their quests, there's no need for hostility in the responses
[19:31] <hggdh> alex-weej, I understand you are upset on not really much being done on this bug, but *please* be nice.
[19:31] <alex-weej> sorry
[19:32] <hggdh> please keep in mind that most here are volunteers. Being agressive is a most assured way of being left aside
[19:32] <micahg> alex-weej: both MT- and I tried to reproduce without success, but that might have been because we were trying with the human theme instead of the dmz theme
[19:32] <alex-weej> i am sick of having to "defend" bugs that have no reason to have expired, that's all
[19:32] <MT-> micahg: I did try with dmz theme as well, just fyi
[19:33] <hggdh> micahg, I have to get on the road to Austin, will log in later. Can you please keep on with this>
[19:33] <hggdh> ?
[19:33] <alex-weej> it definitely happens with dmz. dmz has a lot of faults, really.
[19:33] <micahg> you shouldn't have to defend, but you can't expect everyone to have the same results you do when testing
[19:33] <andresmujica> alex-weej: if possible for you add an screencast showing the symptom with latest release.
[19:33] <micahg> if we can't reproduce, we generally ping to see if it's still relavent
[19:33] <micahg> indeed
[19:33] <alex-weej> micahg: i can when i have installed ubuntu on about 20 machines since and seen it on all of them ;)
[19:34] <BUGabundo> andresmujica: I still don't see my avatar there  :(
[19:34] <alex-weej> micahg: the problem here is that even if the hotspot was closer, the drawing is half a pixel too high up in the source svg
[19:34] <andresmujica> bugabundo: still processing ubuntu channel is a bit big.. also i've added ubuntu+1 ..
[19:34] <micahg> alex-weej: I reset the bug to new, please post which Ubuntu version and a screenshot so that we know what to look for
[19:34] <BUGabundo> great
[19:34] <alex-weej> aaaaargh
[19:35] <alex-weej> micahg: please,
[19:35]  * BUGabundo points to apport-collect BUGID
[19:35] <alex-weej> just go to firefox, click a link, watch the cursor jump left-right
[19:35]  * micahg is running xubuntu, can someone with gnome try
[19:35] <BUGabundo> mine doesn't jump... but the text beneeth it does !:(
[19:35] <alex-weej> BUGabundo: !?
[19:35] <BUGabundo> alex-weej: bug please
[19:35] <micahg> bug 129702
[19:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 129702 in dmz-cursor-theme ""Loading" mouse pointer's hotspot is off" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129702
[19:35] <MT-> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dmz-cursor-theme/+bug/129702
[19:35] <alex-weej> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dmz-cursor-theme/+bug/129702
[19:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 129702 in dmz-cursor-theme ""Loading" mouse pointer's hotspot is off" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[19:36] <BUGabundo> calm down guys! one is enough ! :p
[19:36] <alex-weej> 3 different URLs
[19:36] <alex-weej> hehe
[19:36] <MT-> :P
[19:37] <andresmujica> bugabundo: found the error... you were listed twice...
[19:37] <BUGabundo> oops
[19:37] <alex-weej> luckily there aren't many apps that make use of "left_ptr_watch"
[19:37] <alex-weej> but as a web page is loading in firefox
[19:38] <alex-weej> you get it
[19:38] <alex-weej> then when it stops loading, it goes back to left_ptr
[19:38] <BUGabundo> alex-weej: is this gutsy only?
[19:38] <BUGabundo> I'm on karmic
[19:38] <alex-weej> karmic
[19:38] <alex-weej> and jaunty
[19:38] <alex-weej> and intrepid and hardy and gutsy
[19:38] <BUGabundo> ok
[19:38] <BUGabundo> should add that to the OP desc
[19:39] <alex-weej> why?
[19:39] <alex-weej> the package version is the same
[19:39] <alex-weej> in all versions
[19:40] <BUGabundo> also don't confirm your own bugs!
[19:40] <micahg> indeed, stuck at 0.4.1
[19:40] <alex-weej> BUGabundo: i am well within my rights to confirm it if i have tested it on a range of machines
[19:41] <micahg> alex-weej: a more descriptive description would be better, rather than don't touch, I'm updating with pacakge version
[19:41] <BUGabundo> tricky , but I conced on that
[19:41] <micahg> I don't agree
[19:41] <BUGabundo> I cant test this
[19:41] <micahg> it could be human error
[19:41] <micahg> in general
[19:41] <alex-weej> i could be moving the mouse right and left
[19:41] <alex-weej> yeah
[19:41] <alex-weej> i suppose
[19:41] <alex-weej> :P
[19:42] <bcurtiswx> alex-weej: it doesn't matter how many machines you have tested on.  you don't want to comfirm your own bugs
[19:42] <bcurtiswx> s/comfirm/confirm
[19:42] <alex-weej> i'll stop confirming my own bugs when people stop resetting them to Incomplete on a whim
[19:42] <alex-weej> :P
[19:43] <MT-> Incomoplete is not a closed status. It's used when more information is needed.
[19:43] <alex-weej> MT-: this is one of the better bug reports that hasn't been closed and re-opened every 6 months
[19:43] <alex-weej> it's just an in-built reaction now to put it "back" to confirmed
[19:43] <bcurtiswx> alex-weej: incomplete means the triager feels theres more information needed...
[19:44] <alex-weej> basically i just don't see how ubuntu is going to get that level of polish if minor bugs like these which are starved of development time just "vanish" and wait to be re-reported
[19:44] <alex-weej> the whole ethos of people assuming old bug reports are invalid is wrong
[19:45] <alex-weej> granted, on this one, it seems people are having difficulty reproducing
[19:45] <alex-weej> i will update the description when micahg is finished
[19:45] <micahg> alex-weej: I don't think thats' the assumption necessarily
[19:45] <micahg> but usually, time fixes these things
[19:45] <micahg> I updated it already
[19:45] <andresmujica> alex-weej: try uploading a screencast to watch the bug in action
[19:46] <alex-weej> it's over the top, i can describe how to do it
[19:46] <alex-weej> andresmujica: will you try it? i will explain exactly now
[19:46] <andresmujica> go on
[19:46] <alex-weej> and if i can articulate it properly, i will post the same instructions
[19:46] <alex-weej> andresmujica: launch firefox, load any web page
[19:47]  * BUGabundo listens in
[19:47]  * yofel too
[19:47] <alex-weej> click a link on said web page, move the mouse pointer away from the link so that the pointer changes from the "hand" to the "pointer with a rotating circle thing"
[19:47]  * simon-o too
[19:47]  * bcurtiswx three
[19:47] <alex-weej> then wait till the next page stops loading
[19:47] <alex-weej> and watch the actual arrow part of the cursor move
[19:47] <alex-weej> more than 1 pixel
[19:48] <alex-weej> actually, exactly 1 pixel i think :)
[19:48] <alex-weej> and about half a pixel down
[19:48] <BUGabundo> wait
[19:48] <BUGabundo> let me test
[19:48]  * MT- tries again
[19:49] <BUGabundo> can't reproduce
[19:49]  * MT- fails
[19:49] <BUGabundo> or I'm doing it wrong
[19:49]  * bcurtiswx can't reproduce
[19:49]  * andresmujica kills firefox again to test it...
[19:49]  * alex-weej is in awe
[19:49] <alex-weej> ok, video time
[19:49] <BUGabundo> ahahah
[19:49] <BUGabundo> sorry alex-weej
[19:49] <simon-o> I don't see this on firefox 3.5
[19:49] <yofel> neither do I
[19:49] <BUGabundo> I'm - and im sure everyone else-  is not trying to say you are wrong
[19:50] <BUGabundo> we just can't see it
[19:50] <BUGabundo> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2a1pre) Gecko/20090718 Ubuntu/9.10 (karmic) Minefield/3.6a1pre ID:20090718185927
[19:50] <alex-weej> t's not the browser...
[19:50] <MT-> I believe he said it happens in firefox and epiphany
[19:50] <BUGabundo> I never saw the "rotating thing"
[19:51] <alex-weej> what mouse pointer did you have as the next page was loading?
[19:51] <simon-o> the arrow one
[19:51] <alex-weej> just a plain arrow?
[19:51] <simon-o> without rotating
[19:51] <alex-weej> go here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/
[19:51] <alex-weej> click the launchpad icon in the top left
[19:51] <alex-weej> and move the mouse immediately underneath it
[19:51] <andresmujica> the rotating thing is shown when the other page is downloading ...
[19:51] <simon-o> maybe my connection is too fast
[19:51]  * MT- still does not see reproduction
[19:52] <MT-> I have just enough lag time
[19:52] <micahg> andresmujica: can you confirm then?
[19:52] <andresmujica> nop, no confirmation.
[19:52] <micahg> alex-weej: if you'd like to upstream to debian or whoever is the original source, I'd be happy to mark triaged and we can forget about it
[19:53] <alex-weej> already done
[19:53] <alex-weej> it was fine
[19:53] <alex-weej> i brought it up directly with Jimmac
[19:53] <alex-weej> he admitted it was there, and did nothing about it
[19:53] <alex-weej> probably fixed it in SuSE
[19:53] <micahg> ok, but we need a link to an upstream bug to change the status in LP
[19:53] <BUGabundo> alex-weej: can't see it either on LP page
[19:54] <alex-weej> what screencast software should i use?
[19:54] <andresmujica> gtkrecordmydesktop
[19:54] <alex-weej> istanbul doesn't seem to capture properly
[19:54] <BUGabundo> vlc ?
[19:54] <MT-> adobe! :P
[19:54]  * BUGabundo slaps MT-
[19:55] <MT-> sorry, had to todd out humor
[19:55] <alex-weej> andresmujica: package?
[19:55] <BUGabundo> alex-weej: vlc !
[19:55] <BUGabundo> its shorter to type :)
[19:55] <andresmujica> alex-weej:  sudo apt-get install gtkrecordmydesktop
[19:55] <micahg> !info gtk-recordmydesktop
[19:55] <andresmujica> just paste it :p
[19:55] <ubot4> micahg: gtk-recordmydesktop (source: gtk-recordmydesktop): Graphical frontend for recordmydesktop. In component universe, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>-2ubuntu2 (jaunty), package size 79 kB, installed size 564 kB
[19:55] <andresmujica> auch
[19:55] <andresmujica> -
[19:55] <alex-weej> hyphen :P
[19:55] <andresmujica> missing -
[19:56] <BUGabundo> see andresmujica ... smaller is better
[19:56]  * BUGabundo at least in this case....
[19:56] <lajjr> sudo apt-get install gtk-recordMyDesktop
[19:56] <alex-weej> got it!
[19:57] <alex-weej> can't wait for you guys to see this
[19:57] <alex-weej> and then go "ah yes, mine does that too!" :P
[19:57] <MT-> us either
[19:57] <alex-weej> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/29257745/out.ogv
[19:58] <MT-> I do see what he's referring to in that image - that's not dmz, that's human - isn't it?
[19:59] <simon-o> isn't that just the circle thing when it vanishes? I don't see a movement
[19:59] <MT-> s/image/vid/
[19:59]  * micahg also can't see anything
[19:59] <alex-weej> proper lol
[19:59] <alex-weej> i am gonna have to break this down further
[19:59] <alex-weej> let's see if i can take 2 screenshots in rapid succession
[19:59] <MT-> look at the left side of the cursor
[19:59] <MT-> mouse*
[19:59] <micahg> ah, are you saying after the page stops loading the cursor jumps?
[19:59] <andresmujica> err...
[20:00] <MT-> micahg: ya
[20:00]  * micahg sees that in the vid
[20:01]  * MT- still does not see it with that icon on his system though
[20:01] <MT-> Obviously not bumping mouse either
[20:01] <BUGabundo> I see the vid. but I don't have the circle on my cursor
[20:01] <micahg> BUGabundo: that was changed in FF3.5
[20:02] <BUGabundo> ahh
[20:02] <micahg> yeah, I can see it
[20:02] <lajjr> I get the animated circle counting like a clock. with little lines..animated working one..
[20:03] <micahg> in epiphany, it jumps a pixel or 2
[20:03] <MT-> micahg: so we do finally have enough for you to confirm it?
[20:03] <micahg> I don't think it's gnome specific though
[20:03] <micahg> anyone know how I can tell what theme I'm using in  Xubuntu?
[20:04] <micahg> I'm using the Crystal SVG icon set
[20:04] <micahg> I think it might be an X bug...
[20:04] <lajjr> Mine doesn't move the overlay of the animation disappears is all...
[20:04] <alex-weej> cursor is independent of icon set afaik
[20:04] <micahg> so then it probably is an X bug
[20:05] <micahg> let's go talk to ubuntu-x
[20:05] <alex-weej> lajjr: what icon theme?
[20:05] <alex-weej> human is fine
[20:05] <alex-weej> dmz is not
[20:05] <alex-weej> we ship dmz as default since gutsy btw
[20:05] <lajjr> mine human..
[20:05] <micahg> human was default on my liveCD
[20:05] <alex-weej> that's why then
[20:06] <MT-> fyi - on my laptop - I use the standard X icons - nothing special like dmz or human... no jump
[20:11] <alex-weej> micahg: what liveCD?
[20:11] <alex-weej> i can't even GET a human cursor theme on Jaunty here
[20:11] <micahg> Jaunty and64
[20:11] <alex-weej> same here
[20:11] <micahg> amd64\
[20:13] <alex-weej> when you change to DMZ theme
[20:13] <alex-weej> does it look any different?
[20:13]  * micahg would have to reload the liveCD
[20:14] <alex-weej> you are running Ubuntu?
[20:15] <alex-weej> i don't even have a /usr/share/icons/Human/cursor.theme
[20:16] <BUGabundo> $ ls /usr/share/icons/Human/
[20:16] <BUGabundo> total 40K
[20:17] <alex-weej> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 39 2009-07-06 15:24 /etc/alternatives/x-cursor-theme -> /usr/share/icons/DMZ-White/cursor.theme
[20:17] <alex-weej> Human is the icon set there
[20:17] <alex-weej> not a cursor theme
[20:21] <micahg> my mistake
[20:22] <micahg> ubuntu-x seems to be away for the weekend
[20:22] <micahg> I'll ping them tomorrow
[20:24] <micahg> i'll confirm it, because I see the cursor move, but I think the bug is not in the theme
[20:25] <micahg> cursor theme is just a set of icons, right?
[20:26] <andresmujica> maybe it's a missing icon between the themes...
[20:28] <micahg> I confirmed the bug
[20:28] <MT-> ok... I'm getting irritated... :P
[20:28] <micahg> and I'll follow up with ubuntu-x later this week
[20:28] <micahg> why MT-?
[20:28] <MT-> can we figure out what package this is in?
[20:28] <MT-> now that it's confirmed, I wanna fix it
[20:29] <micahg> MT-: fixing isn't the task of this channel...
[20:29] <MT-> first I wanna figure out what package it's in so I can try to reproduce it on another system - then I want to fix it
[20:29] <MT-> micahg: I'll take it elsewhere :)
[20:29] <micahg> triagers get it into the hands of the developers to fix
[20:29] <micahg> well
[20:29] <micahg> your time might be better spent elsewhere until ubuntu-x tells us where the bug belongs
[20:30] <micahg> I sugeest subscribing to the bug
[20:30] <MT-> I'm in the artwork team
[20:30] <micahg> and you'll see the update when/if I change the package
[20:30] <micahg> that's great
[20:30] <micahg> we need more artwork people
[20:31] <micahg> but it might not be an artwork problem
[20:31] <micahg> as I'm trying to state :)
[20:31] <MT-> That's where I got it from - and since I commented, I'll keep the updates going
[20:32] <micahg> good
[20:32] <MT-> offtopic - but this is why I'm in that team - https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-drupal-countdown
[20:32] <micahg> but I'm sure that there are other bugs in those pacakges that need a hgu
[20:32] <micahg> hug
[20:32] <MT-> speaking of which
[20:33]  * MT- hugs alex-weej
[20:34]  * alex-weej hogs MT-
[20:34] <MT-> I am too much of a hog for just a hug
[20:34] <alex-weej> you can grab the DMZ theme from svn: https://forgesvn1.novell.com/svn/opensuse-art/trunk/cursors
[20:34] <andresmujica> :)
[20:34] <MT-> and that made me laugh for the second time today
[20:34] <alex-weej> not 100% sure that is actually the latest, i doubt novell still use svn
[20:37] <MT-> alex-weej: it happens in white and black?
[20:38] <alex-weej> for some reason i can't activate DMZ-Black
[20:38] <alex-weej> some bug in gnome metathemes i guess
[20:38] <alex-weej> so not sure
[21:20] <bcurtiswx> hey all, i have a bug that upstream went to fixed.. should i let bug watch updater to change LP status, or should I change it myself?
[21:21] <bcurtiswx> actually nvm
[21:21] <bcurtiswx> bug that is fixed upstream.. fix committed? or fix released?
[21:23] <andresmujica> supposedly LP should update, but sometimes it doesn't work at all.
[21:23] <andresmujica> also for desktop bugs -if i'm not wrong- commited is when upstream commits the fix... it seems to vary according to the area...
[21:24] <bcurtiswx> ok, thanks andres :D
[21:29] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx: always commited until a package has been built
[21:34] <BUGabundo> on a tottally unrelated storie
[21:34] <BUGabundo> I just noticed the circle thingy on my mouse
[21:34] <BUGabundo> while reading emails on kmail
[21:35] <BUGabundo> I don't notice any side way movement on it
[21:35] <MT-> lol
[21:35] <BUGabundo> alex-weej: ^^^^^^^^^^
[21:35] <BUGabundo> but then again this is not the same test case :)
[21:35] <BUGabundo> I'm not clickin on anything
[21:35] <BUGabundo> but now I notice the darn circle
[21:35] <BUGabundo> so thanks you alex-weej :\\
[21:35] <andresmujica> i've seen that "side way" movement.. but didn't pay attention to it up today.. lol
[21:36] <BUGabundo> ahahahaaha
[21:36] <BUGabundo> so alex-weej *was* right?
[21:37] <BUGabundo> (07:57:01 PM) alex-weej: can't wait for you guys to see this
[21:37] <BUGabundo> (07:57:06 PM) alex-weej: and then go "ah yes, mine does that too!" :P
[21:37] <BUGabundo> brb
[21:37] <BUGabundo> need to move to the actic
[21:37] <MT-> it just took an army to find it :P
[21:37] <BUGabundo> I  did _not_ find it yet
[21:37] <MT-> see it*
[21:38] <MT-> after all the crap I'm doing to test stuff on my own system - I think it's time to reinstall :P
[21:39] <MT-> in a week or so :)
[21:48] <andresmujica> bug 400946
[21:48] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 400946 in linux "[karmic] loadavg is 0.00 0.00 0.00 all time" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/400946
[21:48] <andresmujica> anyone of you are affected by this one?
[22:03] <Trijntje> Hi all. I have a problem with cryptestup. On ubuntu 8.04 i can mount it using 'sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdf crypti'. On ubuntu 9.04 this gives: Command failed: cannot acces device. Is this a known issue?
[22:10] <BUGabundo> back
[22:40] <jander99> Need guidance again. :)  bug 154443, at what point is a bug considered so out of date, and how should it be handled in a case like this?
[22:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 154443 in restricted-manager "Boot splash screen is garbled at shutdown in Gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154443
[22:41] <micahg> jander99: ping the user and see if it's an issue with Jaunty CD
[22:42] <micahg> jander99: the goal I think is to fix bugs, but also not make hte reporter feel unimportant
[22:42] <jander99> micahg: Easy enough.  Keep the status the same or will a change be needed there as well?
[22:42] <micahg> incomplete
[22:42] <micahg> until you get a response
[22:43] <micahg> !status > jander99
[22:43] <ubot4> jander99, please see my private message
[22:43] <Trijntje> Hi all. I have a problem with cryptestup. On ubuntu 8.04 i can mount it using 'sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdf crypti'. On ubuntu 9.04 this gives: Command failed: cannot acces device. I could file a bugreport on this, but it would simply be: it does not work. Not very helpful. Is there a way to get cryptsetup to give a more verbose output?
[22:43] <jander99> (05:43:03 PM) ubot4: Factoid 'status' not found
[22:45] <micahg> ha
[22:45] <micahg> ok
[22:46] <micahg> jander99: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status <--  keep it bookmarked....
[22:47] <jander99> micahg: I'll keep it next to the Responses bookmark.  Thanks.
[22:48] <micahg> np, keep asking questions :)
[22:48] <micahg> Trijntje: I don't know too much about that program
[22:48] <jander99> I'm sure I'll have plenty until I get my feet properly wet in the way things go.
[22:49] <micahg> Trijntje: you can try to find out in support
[22:49] <micahg> #ubuntu
[22:49] <micahg> or open the bug and ask how to provide more info
[22:49] <micahg> It's Sunday and most people are here, but not here
[22:50] <Trijntje> micahg: I tried support, but they didn't know. So i thought i'd ask in #bug to see if it is a known issue
[22:50] <micahg> ah, idk
[22:50] <micahg> let's see if someone else can jump in here
[22:50] <Trijntje> yes, or maybe ill try again later this week.
[22:52] <andresmujica> trijntje: does that program need a special lvm crypto module ?  i'm aware of a bug related to it...
[22:53] <Trijntje> anderesmujica: i'm not sure, but lsmod shows dm-crypt is loaded
[22:55] <Trijntje> andresmujica:I'm rather new to all this, so i don't understand all suggestions
[23:03]  * jander99 thinks someone should go push the power button on packages.ubuntu.com
[23:06]  * BUGabundo kicks jander99 arse to make him jump to england
[23:06] <jander99> haha. Quite a jump across the Atlantic.
[23:09]  * BUGabundo kicks jander99 *harder*
[23:11] <jander99> another question.  What do I do if a bug is reported against an LTS that still has support, but the package in question is not available in newer releases?
[23:23] <andresmujica> jander99:  similar case to yesterday's one... desktop support for LTS has ended (unless is 8.04) and it's mainly security support... it must be a big problem to get solved.. generally you should test against the latest version available... maybe ping the latest uploader if the package has a newer version solving the issue that can go via backports...
[23:24] <andresmujica> had to tell to be honest.    forwarding the bug upstream could help also.  but probably is false to expect getting a fix on something that is not even in newer versions.
[23:32] <jander99> andresmujica: Thanks. In this particular case, the package does not even exist in Jaunty.  Can't tell when the package was dropped, since packages.ubuntu.com is still down.
[23:34] <micahg> jander99: rmadison or use launchpad.net/ubuntu


[12:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #85666 in xorg (main) "xon missing since repackaging" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85666
[10:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #35895 in xkeyboard-config "Not multimedia keyboard" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/35895
[12:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #85745 in xorg-server (main) "xorg crash meanwhile watch video on firefox" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85745
[01:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #85764 in xorg-server (main) "[apport]  Xorg crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85764
[05:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #85808 in xcursor-themes (main) "Feisty Herd4: X cursor theme does not obey." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85808
[10:23] <Ubugtu> New bug: #85868 in xorg-server "xorg does not recognize 1440x900 screens of toshiba laptops. A nightmare for newbies" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85868
[11:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #85901 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17 (restricted) "[apport]  package linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17-11-386 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85901


[14:32] <darklight_> Is there a chance  for the unity shortcuts to finally be customizable by the time 14.04 is released ?
[14:32] <darklight_> there are open bugs about this that are either being ignored or any work has been postponed for years
[14:33] <darklight_> it's not just annoying for regular users but it can be a real showstopper for people with disabilities
[14:34] <darklight_> it's also inconsistent since the same keys can be assigned to do other things but since they're hardcoded the bhaviour is not ovverrided