[01:34] <Dannilion> is there a way to manually force Kubuntu to use the correct resolution for my laptop monitor?
[01:35] <tretle> xorg config file?
[01:36] <Dannilion> that would be a good place to start. Where is it again?
[01:36] <tretle> but you should probably wait for someone else to help as i cant remember myself
[01:36] <tretle> and messing around with it can break your system
[01:37] <Dannilion> yes
[01:37] <Dannilion> need to reboot anyhow- messed up sudo's time ;)
[01:37] <tretle> lol
[01:45] <Dannilion> that's odd- /etx/X11/xorg.conf has the correct resolution (1280 x 800) but xrandr is saying 1024 x 768
[01:47] <Dannilion> how do I get Kubuntu to display 1280 x 800 instead of 1024 x 768?
[01:49] <tretle> cough cough, patience is key here :D
[01:49] <tretle> u using gutsy?
[01:51] <Dannilion> yes
[01:51] <Dannilion> and patience until... ?
[01:53] <gnomefreak> until someone
[01:53] <gnomefreak> !fixres | Dannilion
[01:53] <ubotu> Dannilion: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:53] <gnomefreak> :) night
[01:53] <tretle> untl someone with some knowledge on how to fix the problem at hand can step in
[01:53] <tretle> there we go
[01:54] <tretle> night gnomefreak
[02:21] <Dannilionz> yay! Thank you!
[02:25] <phr0stbyte> Anyone running VMware 6?
[03:39] <DanaG> Kill_X has random  in his(?) exit message.
[03:39] <DanaG> 000F000F
[04:00] <xsacha> hey, ever since yesterday when i updated, knetworkmanager has said im disconnected and all my websites cant be found. however, i can get on to irc?
[04:01] <xsacha> on kubuntu gutsy gibbon
[04:02] <wfarr> xsacha, Network Manager emits a signal for "not connected"
[04:03] <wfarr> many apps, when NM is installed, will check for this
[04:03] <wfarr> it's possible your IRC client/IM client is not doing this
[04:03] <wfarr> so it doesn't set you to "Offline" mode, unlike other apps
[04:03] <xsacha> so i have to kill kNM?
[04:04] <xsacha> awesome, it works! thx
[04:23] <Toma-> Does Dolphin ment to have 2 bookmark panels on either side of the viewing area?
[04:31] <stdin> anyone having problems with less?
[04:44] <Toma-> Hobbsee: youre a KDE fan right? Have you seen Dolphin come up with 2 bookmark columns?
[04:51] <stdin> yeah, I get that
[06:41] <scotth> anyone here having problems getting the number of viewports to change in compiz on the latest gutsy?
[06:41] <scotth> I've got 2x2 and can't change it
[06:55] <kingrayray> has anybody on gutsy been having any problems with banshee not reporting tracks to last.fm ?
[06:56] <DanaG> Somehow networkmanager sucks at finding type of WPA-PSK:
[06:56] <DanaG> AES or TKIP.
[06:56] <kingrayray> that sucks
[06:56] <DanaG> I thought it was entirely broken, because I couldn't connect.
[06:56] <DanaG> The SSID is hidden, yet knetworkmanager failed to even show "<ssid hidden>"
[06:56] <kingrayray> I had a lot of trouble getting my wifi card to connect to my 'net router, but it could connect to my offline router so I think verizon just sucks...
[06:57] <kingrayray> but on the other hand it worked in windows. I ended up just plugging an ethernet cord in, lol
[06:57] <xsacha> DanaG: ever since i updated KN it thinks im disconnected even tho im not
[06:57] <xsacha> DanaG: i have to kill KN so that apps know im online
[07:00] <DanaG> Oh, and I tried a different wifi card under XP -- even that had issues until I selected TKIP manually.
[07:00] <DanaG> And even XP does not show "SSID Not Broadcast" -- but XP makes the "connect to other network" a helluvalot harder to find.
[07:01] <xsacha> my HP laptop installs its own wireless software which is pretty good.. shows a nice list and all
[07:01] <xsacha> for XP
[07:03] <Hobbsee> DanaG: run "iwlist interface scan" and see if it comes up on that, adn then automatically on knm after?
[07:04] <DanaG> I use Intel Pro/Set.
[07:04] <DanaG> If I manually set ESSID, then it shows up with that SSID in knetworkmanager.
[07:06] <SeveredCross> I can report that the installer is a bit broken?
[07:06] <kingrayray> what happened?
[07:06] <SeveredCross> Inexplicably fails for me--after asking for xserver-xorg configuration, it just dies and says that that step cannnot be completed.
[07:07] <SeveredCross> Goes to a red screen and says "An installlation step failed..."
[07:07] <kingrayray> ah
[07:07] <kingrayray> I used the gui installer
[07:07] <SeveredCross> And tells me to try and re-run iti. when I do so, it just fails again.
[07:07] <SeveredCross> I grabbed a daily build so no LiveCD, only alternate install.
[07:07] <kingrayray> yeah
[07:07] <kingrayray> I'm lazy these days :p
[07:08] <SeveredCross> It's not a dealbreaker because I can still boot the system and just apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and that'll take care of damn near everything I need.
[07:08] <SeveredCross> It's just a bit of a pain. :)
[07:08] <SeveredCross> And very strange, needless to say.
[07:08] <kingrayray> its probably something lame too, like a typo in a script. lol
[07:09] <SeveredCross> Proably.
[07:09] <kingrayray> well, it would be if I wrote it. lol
[07:09] <SeveredCross> I wouldn't be surprised...Or a package barfs with a strange return code and just sends the script into a tizzy fit.
[07:09] <kingrayray> lmao yeah
[07:09] <kingrayray> the joy of bugs
[07:10] <SeveredCross> I like staying on the bleeding ege of things.
[07:10] <SeveredCross> So I use development software, heh.
[07:10] <kingrayray> yeah
[07:10] <SeveredCross> When I compile new versions, I'll be damned if I check ut thew latest stable tarball. I svn checkout everything.
[07:10] <SeveredCross> Sure it's not quite as stable but still!
[07:10] <kingrayray> yeah I used to do that, I know exactly whatcha mean lol
[07:11] <kingrayray> but since then my free time has diminished greatly, so I can't spend too much time fixing my box
[07:11] <kingrayray> :(
[07:11] <SeveredCross> :(
[07:11] <SeveredCross> That is a sad sad occurence.
[07:11] <kingrayray> its terrible, my system's all stable, and I only get like 30 updates a day :(
[07:11] <kingrayray> lol
[07:13] <kingrayray> do you use banshee by chance?
[07:13] <kingrayray> .. and last.fm in conjunction? :p
[07:18] <SeveredCross> Yep.
[07:18] <SeveredCross> I do.
[07:18] <T-Connect> Is there a program that I can erase cd-rw?
[07:18] <SeveredCross> I really like Banshee.
[07:18] <kingrayray> SeveredCross: have you been having issues with it not reporting tracks? :s
[07:18] <SeveredCross> Nope, not recently
[07:18] <kingrayray> hmm
[07:18] <SeveredCross> Which build, 0.12.1?
[07:18] <kingrayray> lemme check
[07:19] <kingrayray> yes sir
[07:19] <kingrayray> hmm that's odd
[07:20] <kingrayray> are pretty screenshots offtopic here? xD
[07:20] <T-Connect> How do you guys erase cd-rw on Ubuntu?
[07:20] <kingrayray> umm I usually just right click it and go erase
[07:21] <kingrayray> or you could use gnomebaker or k3b, depending on your flavor of choice
[07:21] <T-Connect> Ok
[07:21] <T-Connect> Which one is good?/
[07:21] <DanaG> I prefer Amarok -- nothing else does folder views.
[07:22] <kingrayray> DanaG: that is a sweet feature about amarok
[07:22] <kingrayray> I just don't like how qt looks among the rest of my apps because im a gtk junkie
[07:22] <SeveredCross> That's my issue too.
[07:22] <kingrayray> because amarok is obviously better
[07:23] <SeveredCross> Plus Amarok seems finicky about multimedia keys on GNOME.
[07:23] <kingrayray> I'm just way too picky about interfaces
[07:23] <kingrayray> T-Connect: I like gnomebaker for the same reason I don't like amarok hehe
[07:23] <SeveredCross> And multimedia keys are too handy.
[07:23] <kingrayray> yeah totally
[07:23] <Admiral_Chicago> whats the fastest way to get virtualization going in Gutsy
[07:24] <kingrayray> brb
[07:25] <kingrayray> grrg
[07:25] <kingrayray> there we go :D
[07:25] <DanaG> I just let Amarok use its global shortcuts.
[07:26] <T-Connect> Cool it formating over my cd-rw
[07:26] <T-Connect> Thanks
[07:26] <kingrayray> np
[07:27] <T-Connect> I will save that info into my notes.
[07:28] <T-Connect> I like to write stuff down just in case I'm looking for something.
[07:28] <kingrayray> that's never a bad idea
[07:29] <kingrayray> grr fonts annoy me sometimes. brb
[07:35] <T-Connect> Hmmm... It stuck on 99% on gnomebaker?
[07:35] <T-Connect> It still going.
[07:36] <kingrayray> well, I can't say I've blanked an RW in quite some time, and if you're using gutsy, maybe there is a bug of some sort. I don't know
[07:36] <T-Connect> I'm using 7.04
[07:36] <kingrayray> then this is not the channel you are looking for
[07:37] <kingrayray> join #ubuntu
[07:37] <kingrayray> this is #ubuntu+1 hehe
[07:38] <T-Connect> Ha Ha Ha it still going after I quit. XD
[07:38] <T-Connect> Wtf
[07:38] <kingrayray> lol weird
[07:38] <T-Connect> Reboot
[07:45] <T-Connect> Ok I got rid of it.
[07:45] <T-Connect> It might be a beta version.
[07:46] <T-Connect> It did over format cd-rw.
[07:47] <kingrayray> it forgot to say "Hey im done!" :D
[07:50] <T-Connect> Right click on the iso does work without the gnomebaker. =D
[07:50] <T-Connect> It will erase too.
[07:50] <kingrayray> yeah that's how I burn isos
[07:56] <xsacha> same with kde
[08:07] <srbaker> folks
[08:07] <srbaker> i need some help with tftp
[08:07] <srbaker> client is saying "File not found"
[08:07] <srbaker> even though the server is sending it
[08:08] <srbaker> akrus: do you know anything about netbooting?
[08:09] <win32suxs> Hi There
[08:09] <kingrayray> hello
[08:09] <win32suxs> Guys i need a help from you
[08:10] <srbaker> i need help with tftp
[08:10] <srbaker> and #ubuntu didn't help
[08:10] <srbaker> im getting unexplainable "File Not Found" on the client
[08:10] <win32suxs> I am asked my a charity organisation to install web server
[08:11] <win32suxs> I have just installed Ubuntu 704 and can some one please tell me how to install apache ?
[08:11] <win32suxs> and configure offcourse please?
[08:13] <Hobbsee> win32suxs: #ubuntu for feisty support, like it says in the topic
[08:19] <win32suxs> Hobbsee: did you mean channel name with feisty support?
[08:19] <kingrayray> win32suxs: this is #ubuntu+1
[08:19] <xsacha> win32suxs: this channel is got ubuntu gutsy gibbon, #ubuntu is for feisty fawn (7.04)
[08:20] <Hobbsee> win32suxs: yes
[08:20] <win32suxs> Do you guys use Apache server by any chance ?
[08:20] <Hobbsee> !apache
[08:20] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[08:26] <kingrayray> using nautilus for uploading stuff to ftp seems to have broken recently.. anybody else got a similar issue?
[08:26] <kingrayray> it says uh.. "there was an error launching the default action command with this location"
[08:27] <win32suxs> clear
[08:27] <win32suxs> not much help unfortunately :(
[08:28] <kingrayray> http://kingrayray.wallooza.org/Screenshot.png
[08:28] <kingrayray> hehe
[08:28] <win32suxs> There is so much of information to setup IIS on windows but i dont want to do that
[09:12] <win32suxs> how can i change ServerName in ubuntu i had a look at the file /etc/apache2/apache2.conf file and i cant find any thing called ServerName ?
[09:12] <win32suxs> Amaranth: any help please?
[09:14] <level1_> Hi, I'm on feisty, and I think that the latest kernel could resolve an issue I'm having with suspending... is it safe to download 2.6.22 for me?  Is there an easy way to do it?
[09:14] <T-Connect> I didn't find anything wrong with the Tribe 2 release. I burn it onto dvd-rw to test the build out.
[09:15] <T-Connect> Seem stable to me. I testedd most stuff out on it.
[09:15] <Hobbsee> level1_: no, you dont want to take gutsy's kernel to feisty.
[09:15] <Hobbsee> level1_: if you try to install it straight, it wont install - you'll have to rebuild the entire thing for feisty.
[09:16] <level1_> Hobbsee: I see... is there another option?  Nobody's put the kernels in .deb for feisty yet?
[09:16] <level1_> Is gutsy fairly stable at this point?
[09:16] <T-Connect> I thought kernels is in Ubuntu.
[09:16] <level1_> ?
[09:16] <Hobbsee> Nobody's put the kernels in .deb for feisty yet?  <-- see what i just said
[09:17] <Hobbsee> no, it's got broken bits.  you should not run it yet
[09:17] <level1_> how hard is it to compile a kernel?
[09:18] <T-Connect> Oh great I'm banned fron #ubuntu just for load back after a few mins.
[09:18] <T-Connect> lol
[09:18] <T-Connect> [INFO] 	You are banned from this channel.
[09:19] <T-Connect> I wonder why I'm banned?
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[10:17] <mikkael> is it possible to find out when libapt-pkg-libc6.6-6-4.4 will be uploaded to the servers ?
[10:26] <shirish> does anybody how I can know if I'm using GDM as my login screen or not
[10:47] <pvandewyngaerde> this doesn't look good http://pietervandewyngaerde.googlepages.com/updatewrong.png
[10:53] <RoC_MasterMind> When 2.6.21 makes it into an Ubuntu package, will the tickless feature be enabled?
[10:53] <MugginsM> I'd rather have a tickles feature ;)
[10:54] <pvandewyngaerde> isn't that for .23 ?
[10:55] <RoC_MasterMind> It debuted in 2.6.21
[10:55] <RAOF> RoC_MasterMind: However, we already have .22 :)
[10:55] <RoC_MasterMind> that doesn't mean tickless is compiled in.
[10:56] <ponicg> Tickles?
[10:56] <RoC_MasterMind> It's not enabled by default when I downloaded and merged my config.
[10:56] <ponicg> ohh, tickless*
[10:56] <ponicg> lol
[10:56] <ponicg> I can't read
[10:56] <pvandewyngaerde> Tickless is unfortunately not merged into the x86-64 architecture in kernel.org kernels, but you can get the patch for this here. This patch hopefully will go into the 2.6.23 kernel.
[10:57] <pvandewyngaerde> http://www.linuxpowertop.org/results.php
[10:57] <RoC_MasterMind> On #ubuntu-devel somebody said the config flag is set to yes in gutsy.
[10:57] <RoC_MasterMind> CONFIG_NO_HZ=
[10:57] <RoC_MasterMind> y
[10:59] <RoC_MasterMind> I don't understand...I saw tickless when I downloaded <IP_ADDRESS> in the menuconfig.
[11:01] <RoC_MasterMind> If it's config var is CONFIG_NO_HZ and that's set to yes in the config in /boot/, then it would be enabled...correct?
[11:06] <RAOF> Yup, apparently unless you're running x86-64
[11:10] <RoC_MasterMind> Yeah those 64-bit people.
[11:10] <RoC_MasterMind> That craze was replaced by the dual core craze.
[11:12] <RAOF> Well, not really
[11:13] <pvandewyngaerde> i have 2 opteron 64 bit cpu :-)
[11:13] <RAOF> x86-64 is still substantially faster than IA32 :)
[11:13] <RAOF> Even on this C2D :)
[11:14] <RoC_MasterMind> "gutsy-desktop-i386"...does that mean it's ubuntu based...?
[11:16] <RoC_MasterMind> Substantially...how so?
[11:16] <RoC_MasterMind> Where do I get Tribe 2 so I can hose my system?
[11:17] <RAOF> RoC_MasterMind: x86-64 removed some of the more braindead restrictions of IA32.  In particular, it doubled the compiler-visible registers
[11:19] <RAOF> So, rather than being slightly slower in 64bit mode (like all other 32/64 bit processors), it gets ~10% speed improvement in general, and substantially more for some (mainly multimedia and rendering and crypto) applications.
[12:35] <MugginsM> hrm, aptitude just came up in what looks like chinese
[12:35] <MugginsM> that was exciting
[12:43] <hollandlucas> lol
[01:47] <dr_evil> interesting. I just burned tribe 2 on cd, and it's running dog slow. logs many "Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 12345" must be a bad CD
[02:12] <dr_evil> the second CD passed verification, but the gui is frozen and doesn't redraw, except mouse cursor
[02:19] <dr_evil> login shells not working properly either, I can type but don't get output from ps, and then it freezes
[02:29] <dr_evil> anyone got an idea whats wrong?
[02:30] <sn0> dr_evil are you still getting i/oo errors on the cd?
[02:30] <sn0> just incase its the drive that is playing up, have you tried other disks
[02:31] <dr_evil> no, I'm not getting io errors
[02:31] <dr_evil> and memcheck has been running for 10 minutes now without problem
[02:31] <sn0> i originally had problems with the i386 image but i wasn't able to reproduce
[02:31] <sn0> tried one of this week's daily images and it worked fine
[02:36] <dr_evil> I now tried booting 4th time, and just heard the startup sound, but no image, and TFT says: no input signal on DVI#1
[02:53] <dr_evil> now (6th attempt) it booted into gui, and I was able to run the installer
[02:54] <sn0> dr_evil sounds quite strange, what is your computer spec?
[02:56] <dr_evil> core 2 duo 2,4 Ghz, intel 975 chipset, 2GB Kingston Ram, some SATA harddisks, nvida graphics card
[02:57] <dr_evil> it's kind of stuck now after selecting manual disk space partitioning, just showing the wait cursor...
[02:57] <sn0> 975 hmm someone else was experiencing problems i think yesterday
[02:57] <sn0> anything in the dmesg when booting ?
[02:59] <vinneh> anyone noticed firefox cant install anything
[02:59] <vinneh> you have to download the package from the ftp source manualy and then install it from a local source
[03:00] <vinneh> firefox themes, extensions
[03:00] <dr_evil> sn0 I'm looking...
[03:01] <dr_evil> Brought up 2 CPUs
[03:01] <dr_evil> PCI BIOS BUG MCFG area at f0000000 is not E820-reserved
[03:01] <dr_evil> PRI not using MMCONFIG
[03:01] <dr_evil> PCI not using MMCONFIG
[03:02] <vinneh> dr evil
[03:02] <dr_evil> some ACPI table errors and warnings
[03:02] <vinneh> have you tried setting a lpj kernel param and noacpic
[03:03] <dr_evil> not yet. but feisty was working well on that machine
[03:03] <vinneh> oh
[03:03] <vinneh> is gutsy same kernel ver?
[03:04] <stdin> no
[03:04] <stdin> feisty=2.6.20 gutsy=2.6.22
[03:04] <vinneh> maby the flakey smp and apic issues are back
[03:06] <dr_evil> nothing else that looks suspicious in dmesg
[03:06] <dr_evil> install is still stuck
[03:06] <dr_evil> im going to reboot and try the noacpi
[03:06] <vinneh> i had to use
[03:06] <vinneh> alternate iso
[03:07] <vinneh> ubiquity would hang whne i selected a mountpoint
[03:07] <vinneh> apparently if you launch ubiquity with sudo
[03:07] <vinneh> it works in the live cd
[03:07] <vinneh> dr evil
[03:07] <vinneh> for a 2.0 core duo lpj is 8000000
[03:08] <vinneh> i dont know what it is for 2.4
[03:09] <dr_evil> well, sleep 1 seems to wait 1 second, should i try something else from the shell before rebooting?
[03:10] <vinneh> im trying to find the corect lpj for you
[03:10] <vinneh> you might as well chuck it in
[03:12] <vinneh> hi danni
[03:12] <vinneh> did you get your res sourted?
[03:14] <dr_evil> I'm trying to run ubuquity as root before rebooting
[03:15] <vinneh> good plan
[03:15] <maniacmusician> I'm compiling something and it says that it needs me to set a variable before it can compile (ASOUND_LIBRARY). How would I set that variable? I'm relatively new to compiling so this stuff is still a bit over my head.
[03:16] <vinneh> does it have a configure script?
[03:16] <vinneh> what you compiling
[03:16] <maniacmusician> err kind of. I'm compiling KDE4 from SVN. I've already got a working KDE4, so now I'm compiling kdeaccessibility
[03:16] <vinneh> you prolly have to put something in the makefile
[03:16] <vinneh> oh
[03:17] <vinneh> dunno
[03:17] <vinneh> i dont do kde at all
[03:17] <vinneh> lol
[03:17] <maniacmusician> setting variables would be a common thing no matter what was compiling, I would think...I've seen it at least in other programs. Also, KDE4 uses CMake, not make
[03:18] <gnomefreak> maniacmusician: you might want to ask about that in #ubuntu-motu its a better place for compiling/building questions
[03:18] <gnomefreak> or #kubuntu-devel
[03:18] <maniacmusician> thanks gnomefreak
[03:23] <dr_evil> installation is running now
[03:25] <vinneh> so it was just that stupid ubiquity not having permision bug
[03:25] <vinneh> i just use alternate iso's now
[03:25] <vinneh> old skool installer works great
[03:26] <Hobbsee> vinneh: ubiquity not having permission bug?
[03:26] <Hobbsee> which bug #?
[03:28] <sn0> bug 122645
[03:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122645 in ubiquity "manual partitioning hangs indefinitely" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122645
[03:28] <sn0> bug 123984
[03:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123984 in ubiquity "Gutsy Gibbon: Test of tribe 2. Installation." [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123984
[03:29] <Hobbsee> oh right, so you were meaning 122645
[03:29] <dr_evil> sn0 yes that partitioning problem is also in the relaese notes
[03:29] <sn0> ye
[03:30] <Hobbsee> oh neat, migration assistant dying
[03:31] <vinneh> tested what
[03:31] <vinneh> the manual partitioner?
[03:31] <vinneh> oh
[03:31] <vinneh> lol
[03:31] <vinneh> migration assistant
[03:32] <dr_evil> migration assistant also didn't show my feisty installation
[03:35] <sn0> Hobbsee i have nothing to migrate :<
[03:35] <Hobbsee> sn0: ah
[03:36] <dr_evil> highest resolution offered it 1024*768, it somehow didn't detect the native screen resolutun :/
[03:44] <dr_evil> xresprobe was a bad idea, no more display output :(
[03:51] <dr_evil> bug 67369
[03:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 67369 in xorg "[Feisty]  Wide screen not correctly detected (16/10)" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/67369
[04:04] <vinneh> dr evil
[04:05] <vinneh> upi can fix that
[04:05] <vinneh> really easily
[04:05] <vinneh> oh
[04:05] <vinneh> what graphic xhip
[04:05] <vinneh> chip
[04:06] <dr_evil> nvidia. but I already fixed it as described in the bugreport
[04:07] <vinneh> okies
[04:32] <dr_evil> samba-common is installed, but "Shared Folders" claims it isn't
[06:02] <vinneh>  melst
[06:57] <Dannilion> ARG! More graphics problems
[06:57] <Dannilion> I can't even play Supertux at the moment- the screen flashes
[08:01] <dr_evil> is it normal that selecting any hdd root folder needs about 20 seconds until the content is displayed?
[08:04] <dr_evil> running ls in xterm will display it immediately
[08:05] <dr_evil> and the desktop doesn't redraw during that time
[09:11] <vinneh> man i love the synaptics touchpad driver
[09:11] <vinneh> option TwoFingerScrolling "1" :D
[09:45] <GaryParr> hello... was directed over here from the #ubuntu channel... have an LVM EVMS question and no one could answer... anyone here mind?
[09:47] <GaryParr> installed feisty from alternate cd... created logical volumes... two weird (or maybe not) things... first disk usage analyzer shows / at 100% but a df -h shows / at something like 17% full.... no big deal....
[09:47] <GaryParr> real question... is there a difference (performance/stability) between mapping a logical volume through EMV device instead of the lvm2 mapper?
[09:48] <GaryParr> errr.... make that EVMS device
[09:50] <GaryParr> ello? anyone here?
[09:51] <gnomefreak> GaryParr: did you read the topic?
[09:51] <gnomefreak> this is not the place for feisty questions
[09:53] <GaryParr> yeah... sorry for that... the #ubuntu group suggested I try here... the idea was the collective brain power on this channel exceeded what was over there...
[09:53] <gnomefreak> GaryParr: yeah i saw go back in there and ask again
[09:53] <GaryParr> will do...
[10:46] <BFrank> how is gutsy able to have all the apps dump debugging info to the terminal?
[10:46] <BFrank> ~
[10:58] <DigitalNinja> Anyone know how long Feisty upgrades will last?
[10:59] <DigitalNinja> I need to know how much time I have before I'm forced to "upgrade" to Gutsy
[11:01] <sn0> DigitalNinja 18months on non LTS releases i believe
[11:01] <DigitalNinja> Oh
[11:01] <DigitalNinja> That's right
[11:02] <theoros> will gutsy have a "Mount ISO" option in the contextual menus?
[11:02] <DigitalNinja> Lets see
[11:02] <sn0> where LTS is 3 years on desktop and 5 years on server
[11:02] <sn0> theoros it would be nice :) but you can script it easily at the moment
[11:03] <theoros> sn0: yeah, i know, but i doubt most ubuntuists would want to go around scripting it themselves
[11:03] <DigitalNinja> That means this October we will all be forced to upgrade to Gutsy
[11:03] <DigitalNinja> Do I have that right?
[11:03] <sn0> well usually ive been posting people to http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Mount_ISO_script , but i haven't seen a note to include it if one exists
[11:03] <theoros> DigitalNinja: you won't be forced, per se, you just won't be able to get updates
[11:03] <DigitalNinja> I see
[11:04] <sn0> DigitalNinja not at all, the 18months is how long updates will be provided to the repositories i guess, so quite some time yet
[11:05] <DigitalNinja> sn0: If my counting is correct October to October is 18 months
[11:05] <theoros> for feisty? wasn't it released a few months back?
[11:05] <sn0>  25
[11:05] <sn0>
[11:05] <sn0> April 19th
[11:05] <sn0>
[11:05] <sn0>
[11:05] <DigitalNinja> oh
[11:05] <sn0> oops, sorry for paste
[11:05] <DigitalNinja> my counting is way off
[11:05] <sn0> wiki'd :)
[11:05] <theoros> so you have a year and a half from april 19th :)
[11:05] <DigitalNinja> oh
[11:05] <DigitalNinja> let me recount
[11:06] <theoros> it's over a year, that's all i'd need to know :p
[11:06] <DigitalNinja> theoros: It depends on when you decide to install Feisty
[11:07] <DigitalNinja> I'm going to be installing a couple of terminal servers using Feisty
[11:07] <theoros> DigitalNinja: true, but feisty updates will last until october 2008
[11:07] <DigitalNinja> I see
[11:07] <DigitalNinja> wait
[11:07] <DigitalNinja> I don't see
[11:08] <DigitalNinja> where do you get "october 2008"
[11:08] <sn0> DigitalNinja for servers generally you wouldn't want to touch them, so maybe dapper LTS (depending on kernel support + machine spec) or debian stable would be other alternatives
[11:08] <sn0> as they generally don't get updates and are supported for a long time
[11:09] <DigitalNinja> sn0: I would agree with you. However, this is a terminal server using LTSP. There are issues with 6.06. That's why I need Feisty
[11:09] <sn0> ah i see
[11:09] <DigitalNinja> one issue I ran into with 6.06 is sound.
[11:09] <theoros> DigitalNinja: april 19th 2007 = 4th month, add a year, that makes 4th month of 2007, add 6 months, that's 10th month = oct 2008?
[11:09] <theoros> 4th month of 2008*
[11:09] <DigitalNinja> theoros: I guess I need to go back to counting school
[11:09] <DigitalNinja> lol
[11:10] <DigitalNinja> I'm hoping Feisty and LTSP will allow the thin client to play audio
[11:11] <sn0> ill refrain from saying Debian too many times DigitalNinja but its another option :)
[11:11] <DigitalNinja> lol
[11:11] <DigitalNinja> Sure it is
[11:11] <DigitalNinja> I'll grow old waiting for updates
[11:12] <DigitalNinja> That's why "Debian" users run testing or unstable
[11:12] <sn0> it depends how its being used really, i run sid on the desktop but for servers stable or stable + backports
[11:12] <sn0> as lenny is quite volatile atm
[11:13] <DigitalNinja> I guess Feisty would qualify as testing
[11:13] <DigitalNinja> sort of
[11:17] <BFrank> what is done in beta releases of ubuntu to make it verbose at the terminal?
[11:18] <sn0> BFrank to show verbose when booting ?
[11:18] <BFrank> no
[11:18] <BFrank> when running apps
[11:18] <sn0> oh i misunderstood, thought maybe the grub quiet/splash options
[11:25] <BFrank> ***MEMORY-WARNING***: firefox-bin[28652] : GSlice: g_thread_init() must be called before all other GLib functions; memory corruption due to late invocation of g_thread_init() has been detected; this program is likely to crash, leak or unexpectedly abort soon...
[11:25] <BFrank> ***MEMORY-WARNING***: firefox-bin[28652] : GSlice: g_thread_init() must be called before all other GLib functions; memory corruption due to late invocation of g_thread_init() has been detected; this program is likely to crash, leak or unexpectedly abort soon...
[11:25] <BFrank> apparently firefox dumped core
[11:26] <PriceChild> BFrank, those memory warnings are shown for everyone else too... its incorrect coding which needs to be fixed in all the apps
[11:26] <BFrank> does that effect more than just Ubuntu?
[11:26] <BFrank> also, how are they being made to display?
[11:28] <sn0> BFrank wfarr mentioned its new GLiB + GObject stuff , i dont understand it really :)
[11:28] <BFrank> interesting
[11:28] <BFrank> so that was a compilation option on Glib/Gobject?
[11:28] <BFrank> that would probably mean, this would affect more than just Ubuntu
[11:30] <sn0> BFrank see<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:30] <gnomefreak> BFrank: with firefox you are going to get that until maybe last alpha maybe beta
[11:32] <BFrank> I was curious how it was happening and how that might impact the use of firefox on more than just ubuntu
[11:33] <gnomefreak> BFrank: its all glib apps but firefox doesnt use g_thread never calls it never did (all mozilla apps) so we have to find away around it but the warning is not harmful
[11:33] <BFrank> hmm, well firefox continuously coredumps when going to preferences
[11:33] <BFrank> or when trying to download files
[11:33] <BFrank> and thunderbird is crashing also
[11:33] <gnomefreak> BFrank: its not related
[11:33] <BFrank> ah
[11:33] <BFrank> it also has problems sending the core file or information too
[11:33] <gnomefreak> BFrank: please file bug reports using apport when you crash
[11:34] <gnomefreak> BFrank: thats an apport issue
[11:34] <gnomefreak> BFrank: make sure you are up to date
[11:34] <gnomefreak> iirc the apport devel said that was fixed in latest (i might be wrong) but wont know anymore on that until after the 15th
[11:34] <BFrank> what do I need to type at terminal
[11:35] <BFrank> to apt-get to update?
[11:35] <gnomefreak> BFrank: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade   (but you really should know the terminal before using gutsy)
[11:36] <BFrank> sweet
[11:36] <BFrank> it is updating
[12:09] <PriceChild> does anyone else find that on some reboots/halts, gdm is killed... then starts up again before being killed again for shutdown?
[12:26] <tretle> http://pastebin.com/944044
[12:26] <tretle> could someone clarify that its totem crashing said applictaion
[12:27] <tretle> and what bonabo is having problems with?


[00:04] <mwhudson> xnox: still looking for docs btw
[00:05] <mwhudson> xnox: you said texi files but which ones :)
[00:06] <xnox> mwhudson:  the ones inside libisoburn source package
[00:06] <xnox> mwhudson:  i thought me saying that was enough =)
[00:06] <mwhudson> xnox: ah :)
[00:06] <xnox> mwhudson:  also for +1 https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/ there are a few small auto-* trackers
[00:06] <mwhudson> my son keeps waking up between 5 and 6 am
[00:06] <xnox> some of them are bonkers
[00:07] <xnox> and some of them are are tiny / trivial to complete.
[00:07] <mwhudson> xnox: my +1 is done for now :)
[00:07] <xnox> ah cool
[00:07] <mwhudson> oh god libguestfs ftbfs on riscv? sounds fun
[00:07] <mwhudson> (yara transition)
[00:07] <xnox> that's not good
[00:08] <mwhudson> it failed in 11 minutes, suspiciously quick
[00:08] <mwhudson> oh dependency gunk
[00:08] <xnox> it no like python3 installable please help?
[00:09] <mwhudson> i wonder if mashing retry will help
[00:09] <xnox> vim-tiny : Depends: vim-common (= 2:8.1.2269-1ubuntu6) but 2:8.2.0716-3ubuntu1 is to be installed
[00:09] <xnox> sounds like arch:all build on amd64 finished, before riscv64 one?
[00:09] <mwhudson> don't undestand the python3 stuff
[00:10] <mwhudson> the 3.8.3 build finished like 45 days ago
[00:10] <xnox> mwhudson:  vim-tiny is missmatched across arches
[00:11] <mwhudson> oh because it failed on riscv too
[00:11] <mwhudson> 	function RunTheTest[39]..Test_pattern_compile_speed line 7: Expected range 0.01 - 10.0, but got 10.51081
[00:11] <mwhudson> raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaage
[00:11] <xnox> we did discuss "build profiles" in launchpad builder the other day in different context.
[00:12] <xnox> i wonder if "tick, rebuilt with DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nocheck" is sensible for riscv64 port
[00:12] <xnox> Test_pattern_compile_speed
[00:12] <xnox> yeah, anything with "speed" in the test name, sounds very optimistic on riscv64
[00:14] <mwhudson> it only failed by a bit so a retry might work
[00:18] <mwhudson> xnox: how is your xorriso testing going?
[00:21] <xnox> mwhudson:  so built an image with that extra flag added
[00:21] <xnox> and it's weird
[00:21] <xnox> only has p1, no p2 or p3
[00:21] <xnox> p1 not mountable at all
[00:21] <mwhudson> it's supposed to be weird but probably not like that
[00:22] <xnox> wipefs indicates "normal" number of partition tables like the old images
[00:22] <xnox> i think maybe append esp is now needed too
[00:23] <xnox> -J -joliet-long -l -b boot/grub/i386-pc/eltorito.img -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table --grub2-boot-info --grub2-mbr cd-boot-images/usr/share/cd-boot-images-amd64/tree/boot/grub/i386-pc/boot_hybrid.img -part_like_isohybrid --efi-boot boot/grub/efi.img -efi-boot-part --efi-boot-image -partition_offset 16 cd-boot-images/usr/share/cd-boot-images-amd64/tree
[00:23] <xnox> is what i tried, and i can easily retry that
[00:23] <xnox> with any options you want me to try
[00:24] <xnox> xorriso -as mkisofs -r -checksum_algorithm_iso md5,sha1 -V Ubuntu\ 20.10\ amd64 -o /home/xnox/canonical/ubuntu-cdimage/scratch/ubuntu/groovy/daily-live/debian-cd/amd64/groovy-desktop-amd64.raw -J -joliet-long -l -b boot/grub/i386-pc/eltorito.img -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table --grub2-boot-info --grub2-mbr
[00:24] <xnox> cd-boot-images/usr/share/cd-boot-images-amd64/tree/boot/grub/i386-pc/boot_hybrid.img -part_like_isohybrid --efi-boot boot/grub/efi.img -efi-boot-part --efi-boot-image -partition_offset 16 cd-boot-images/usr/share/cd-boot-images-amd64/tree CD1
[00:24] <xnox> is the full one
[00:26] <mwhudson> i don't think we want both "-efi-boot-part" and "--efi-boot-image" do we?
[00:26] <mwhudson> oh wait
[00:26] <mwhudson> no xorriso option parsing is just insane
[00:27] <xnox> mwhudson:  do partitions look sane to you on the arm64 live-server iso for groovy?
[00:27] <xnox> cause that does
[00:27] <xnox> -append_partition 2 0xef cd-boot-images/usr/share/cd-boot-images-arm64/tree/boot/grub/efi.img -e boot/grub/efi.img -no-emul-boot
[00:27] <xnox> instead of --efi-boot
[00:28]  * mwhudson downloads
[00:29] <xnox> mwhudson:  $ sudo blkid /dev/nbd4*
[00:29] <xnox> /dev/nbd4: UUID="2020-07-08-00-28-23-00" LABEL="Ubuntu 20.10 amd64" TYPE="iso9660" PTTYPE="dos"
[00:29] <xnox> /dev/nbd4p1: UUID="2020-07-08-00-28-23-00" LABEL="Ubuntu 20.10 amd64" TYPE="iso9660"
[00:29] <xnox> /dev/nbd4p2: SEC_TYPE="msdos" LABEL_FATBOOT="ESP" LABEL="ESP" UUID="1B83-07B5" TYPE="vfat"
[00:29] <xnox> bah
[00:29] <xnox> mwhudson:  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zWnqb56yKR/
[00:29] <xnox> that does look better
[00:30] <xnox> although not sure if `-part_like_isohybrid` is still needed or not
[00:30] <mwhudson> yes but what does sfdisk -l say
[00:30] <mwhudson> can you mount p1 and actually access all of filesystem.squashfs?
[00:30] <xnox> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qj47Sjcp6X/
[00:30] <mwhudson> that does look more sane yes
[00:31] <xnox> $ sudo mount /dev/nbd4p1 /mnt/
[00:31] <xnox> $ md5sum /mnt/casper/filesystem.squashfs
[00:31] <xnox> 9f1cf4cd18ab458a35f86180a8eccd88  /mnt/casper/filesystem.squashfs
[00:31] <mwhudson> are there limitations on having to have the ESP in the first XXX MiB of the disk?
[00:31] <xnox> mwhudson:  shall i try again without -part_like_isohybrid?
[00:31] <xnox> mwhudson:  there should not be.
[00:31] <mwhudson> xnox: yeah i'm not sure if that's doing anything for us
[00:33] <mwhudson> xnox: what does cd-boot-images/usr/share/cd-boot-images-amd64/tree contain, is it a list of files to include or something?
[00:33] <xnox> mwhudson:  cd-boot-images dir, is just unpacked dpkg-deb -R of cd-boot-images-amd64
[00:33] <xnox> package
[00:33] <xnox> yes, it contains things
[00:33] <xnox> grub pc modules, grub efi modules, etc.
[00:34] <xnox> mwhudson:  https://packages.ubuntu.com/groovy/all/cd-boot-images-amd64/filelist
[00:34] <mwhudson> ah
[00:34] <xnox> grub/efi.img too
[00:34] <mwhudson> this is a silly q but where does it get the files like filesystem.squashfs from?
[00:35] <xnox> ubuntu-cdimage uses python code to download it from launchpad
[00:35] <xnox> before debian-cd is invoked by ubuntu-cdimage
[00:35] <xnox> because debian-cd is a "sub-dir repo" that one is supposed to clone inside lp:ubuntu-cdimage checkout
[00:35] <xnox> source it's scripts and drive things
[00:36] <xnox> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/focal/ubuntu
[00:36] <xnox> is where i asked my instance of ubuntu-cdimage to download squashfs from
[00:36] <mwhudson> sorry i mean, where are they on disk when xorriso runs?
[00:36] <xnox> yes
[00:36] <xnox> i am in scratch dir, everything is unpacked as files everyehere
[00:36] <mwhudson> ok
[00:36] <xnox> to CD1 has like pool, casper/squashfs, grub.cfg, etc.
[00:38] <xnox> it works
[00:38] <xnox> let me propose update to debian-cd
[00:38] <mwhudson> ah right
[00:38] <xnox> basically --grub2-efi stuff is busted
[00:38] <xnox> append ESP by hand
[00:38] <xnox> be merry
[00:39] <xnox> mwhudson:  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2GZFmD3w9r/ is the contents of CD1
[00:39] <xnox> it's most of the "usual" stuff
[00:39] <xnox> the only "bootloady" thing is grub.cfg
[00:39] <mwhudson> ah ok
[00:40] <xnox> the rest of the "bootloady" stuff in factored into cd-boot-images-amd64 as it has to be built on amd64 host
[00:40] <xnox> (..... arm64, ppc64el)
[00:43] <mwhudson> i think we kinda want  -efi-boot-part --efi-boot-image or we will end up with efi grub on the iso twice
[00:43] <mwhudson> but it seems that -efi-boot-part --efi-boot-image does cray cray stuff
[00:43] <mwhudson> and i wonder why
[00:44] <xnox>   --efi-boot FILE             Set El Torito EFI boot image name and type
[00:44] <xnox>   -e FILE                     Set EFI boot image name (more rawly)
[00:44] <xnox>   --efi-boot FILE             Set El Torito EFI boot image name and type
[00:44] <xnox>   -e FILE                     Set EFI boot image name (more rawly)
[00:44] <xnox>   --efi-boot FILE             Set El Torito EFI boot image name and type
[00:44] <xnox>   -e FILE                     Set EFI boot image name (more rawly)
[00:44] <xnox> bah
[00:44] <xnox> sorry about that
[00:44] <xnox> so -e is not short for --efi-boot
[00:45] <mwhudson> oh want
[00:45] <mwhudson> *wat
[00:47] <xnox> mwhudson:  what was the bug number for this?
[00:47] <mwhudson> xnox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/1886148
[00:47] <xnox> mwhudson:  i guess i should test if this image actually boots
[00:48] <xnox> mwhudson:  in bios cdrom / usb; efi cdrom / usb
[00:48] <mwhudson> right there are four cases
[00:48] <mwhudson> even more if you want to include firmware that speaks mbr but not gpt
[00:48] <mwhudson> but perhaps we don't care about that any more?
[00:49] <mwhudson> wait wtf why does your change produce a dos partition table
[00:52] <mwhudson> xnox: can we add tests of this to debian-cd somehow?
[00:52] <mwhudson> make an image, boot it four ways in system emulation
[00:52] <mwhudson> a la casper's autopkgtests
[00:53] <xnox> mwhudson:  to debian-cd => no, that's running on amd64 only
[00:53] <mwhudson> system emulation!
[00:53] <xnox> mwhudson:  it could be added to like cd-boot-images
[00:54] <xnox>  mwhudson:  so i think this change, makes it not boot with grub2 on bios at all
[00:54] <mwhudson> xnox: usr/share/cd-boot-images-amd64/xorriso-cmd.txt <- is your idea that debian-cd will read this eventually?
[00:54] <xnox> yes, but debian-cd diverged
[00:54] <mwhudson> but it doesn't today?
[00:55] <xnox> it was more of a cheat-note / documentation on how one could use the package
[00:55] <xnox> mwhudson:  i feel like i should upload the image i built, for you to test
[00:55] <xnox> cause i want to sleep
[00:56] <mwhudson> xnox: yeah you go to sleep and i'll spend some time playing
[00:56] <xnox> or i guess it is easy to rebuild things locally
[00:56] <mwhudson> i should have lunch
[00:56] <xnox> unpack iso
[00:56] <xnox> unapck cd-boot-images
[00:56] <xnox> call the dir with unpacked iso CD1
[00:56] <mwhudson> yeah, no need to upload your current thing i think
[00:56] <xnox> and rerun xorriso command from https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zWnqb56yKR/
[00:57] <xnox> adjusting the output command
[01:00] <xnox> ok uefi-disk seems to boot
[01:00] <xnox> but nothing else
[01:00] <xnox> no bios-disk, no bios-cdrom, no uefi-cdrom
[01:00] <xnox> as in doesn't detect as bootable, doesn't load grub
[01:00]  * xnox flips tables
[01:06] <xnox> and snapd fails to seed
[01:06] <xnox> lovely
[01:15] <mwhudson> that hopefully is something else :)
[01:20] <xnox> mwhudson:  https://sites.google.com/site/grubefikiss/grub-on-iso-image
[01:21] <xnox> mwhudson:   -isohybrid-mbr boot/grub/i386-pc/boot_hybrid.img
[01:21] <xnox> hmmmm, what?!
[01:21] <mwhudson> eh what
[01:21] <mwhudson> i thought it had to be an isolinux thing there
[01:21] <xnox> GrubHybridBootable-(Notbios)-efi :
[01:21] <mwhudson> but if you can just dump grub in...
[01:24] <mwhudson> somehow the css on this page makes it too hard to read
[01:28] <xnox> boom
[01:28] <xnox> -eltorito-alt-boot was missing i think
[01:30] <xnox> cdrom & disk uefi are good
[01:30] <xnox> cdrom & disk bios are good too
[01:30] <mwhudson> amazing
[01:31] <xnox> can you test https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CkqZ62WgRV/ somehow?
[01:31] <xnox> note that before -e there is no -eltorito-alt-boot
[01:31] <xnox> becuase otherwise, i think -e overwrote the -b
[01:31] <xnox> and i'm not sure if i have to specify -no-emul-boot second time, but it feels like it is a modifier on the current boot image
[01:31] <xnox> thus needs to be done again, after the alt-boot option
[01:33] <mwhudson> xnox: ok
[01:33] <mwhudson> xnox: i wonder what happens if you change -e argument to --efi-boot-image but also you should go to bed
[01:34] <mwhudson> xnox: we should also change boot-amd64 to accumulate $N.mkisofs_opts option by option with comments
[01:35] <xnox> mwhudson:  a lot of them should be factored out higher up
[01:35] <xnox> ie. anything that is not specific to arch
[01:35] <mwhudson> yeah
[01:35] <xnox> like -J -r etc
[01:35] <xnox> where the rest of "label" "CD1" are added etc
[01:35] <xnox> and the arch specific ones should be in the cd-boot-images-amd64 xorriso.cmd
[01:41] <mwhudson> yeah you do need -no-emul-boot args i think
[01:41] <mwhudson> *two
[01:42] <xnox> mwhudson:  vorlon: https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/debian-cd/unbreak-grub2-hybrid-iso/+merge/387008
[01:42] <xnox> if that makes sense, please review/merge/deploy
[01:42] <xnox> i guess it can't be worse than what we have now
[01:43] <mwhudson> xnox: i'll try to review before you get up again :)
[01:43]  * mwhudson is currently reading wiki pages about el torito etc
[01:44] <mwhudson> not yet reading xorriso source but that's coming, i can tell
[01:44]  * xnox goes to find my whiskey with the new giant sphere ice cube moulds that i got
[01:45] <mwhudson> https://wiki.osdev.org/El-Torito -> "The UEFI legacy partition layout (not to be confused with Legacy BIOS mode) prescribes that the EFI System Partition shall be marked by an MBR partition of type 0xef. Other MBR partitions are permissible. E.g. one which starts at Logical Block Address 0 to make the ISO mountable. It is not allowed, nevertheless, to let the ISO partition enclose the EFI System Partition."
[01:45] <mwhudson> prettttttttttttttttty sure that's what our images were doing
[01:46] <mwhudson> oh heh the next paragraph starts
[01:46] <mwhudson> "Several popular Linux distributions offer a layout that does not comply to either of the UEFI alternatives"
[01:50] <mwhudson> xnox: i think possibly we could get away with still using isohybrid
[01:51] <mwhudson> rather than putting all of grub2 into the mbr
[01:51] <mwhudson> but it doesn't actually matter i guess
[01:51] <xnox> so ideally i want clean partitions (no weird Gap1 parition)
[01:51] <xnox> boots everywhere
[01:51] <xnox> sgdisk -p & sgdik -O claim everything is valid
[01:52] <xnox> cause today, once one burns the .iso to usb stick _no regular tool_ can be used to add a partitin
[01:52] <xnox> they all freak out
[01:53] <xnox> mwhudson:  so we could use -b grub2/eltorito.img -isohybrid-mbr syslinux?grub? -eltorito-alt-boot -e esp?
[01:54] <mwhudson> xnox: yes there is a syslinux thing you can pass to  -isohybrid-mbr  that just jumps to the el torito-specified boot method
[01:54] <mwhudson> chain booting from MBR boot to ISO boot i guess
[01:55] <xnox> "Script grub-mkrescue produces this layout for booting via EFI." after moder UEFI layout
[01:55] <xnox> hm
[01:55] <xnox> with MBR partition type 0xee
[01:55] <xnox> but then the whole thing must be FAT, and we want most thing to be ISO9660
[01:55] <mwhudson> i don't understand why the data for the efi boot method ends up in the middle of the data for the regular files
[01:56] <mwhudson> why can't it be before or after it?
[01:56] <xnox> you can order it anywhere you want
[01:56] <xnox> with -sort option
[01:56] <mwhudson> you can?
[01:56] <xnox> yeah
[01:57] <mwhudson> where is *that* documented? it's not in xorriso's info ...
[01:57] <xnox> normally one sorts weights of like bootloader stuff to be first, then kernel, then initrd, then squashfs, then pool
[01:57] <xnox> but currently i didn't do that
[01:57] <xnox> cause then things are well, in the order of ureadahead
[01:58] <xnox> $ xorriso -as mkisofs 2>&1 --help | grep sort
[01:58] <xnox>   --sort-weight NUMBER FILE   Set LBA weight number to file or file tree
[01:58] <xnox>   --sort-weight-list DISKFILE Read list of NUMBER FILE pairs for --sort-weight
[01:58] <xnox>   --sort-weight-patterns DISKFILE  --sort-weight-list with pattern expansion
[01:58] <mwhudson> ah
[02:00] <xnox> that page is really good
[02:00] <xnox> "The MBR and BIOS El Torito boot image written by grub-mkrescue have the same capability. "
[02:01] <mwhudson> yeah it's making more sense than anything else i've read so far
[02:02] <mwhudson> i wonder if the reason sgdisk hates the gpt data on the old isos is because the partitions overlap
[02:02] <xnox> i don't know if we should switch to the moderl UEFI layout, or if it even works.
[02:02] <xnox> or if we must do something extra the "unless the ISO offers a second set of volume descriptors and file tree at a higher block address"
[02:02] <mwhudson> yeah i don't know what that means :)
[02:12] <mwhudson> oh wait the stuff being booted from is on the filesystem of course, so the partition table has to point at the filesystem
[02:13] <xnox> sure but there are options like -hide
[02:13] <xnox> to include things in iso9660 but not be visible at all in the directory structure
[02:13] <mwhudson> hmm
[02:13] <xnox> and like one can hide stuff from joilet, or rock-ridge, or hfsplus, etc.
[02:14] <xnox> and one can specify that the same file is access under different names
[02:14] <xnox> without exploading the size of the iso twice
[02:14] <mwhudson> leaning towards the position that we don't want a gpt on the iso at all
[02:14] <mwhudson> "old" isos have a gpt but it's broken so firmware ignores it
[02:14] <xnox> It is read by EFI when booting from USB stick or hard disk, and may be used for finding and mounting a HFS+ partition inside the ISO image.
[02:15] <mwhudson> "new" isos have a valid but actually deeply unhelpful gpt
[02:21] <mwhudson> xnox: yeah but EFI will read the MBR if there is no gpt
[02:22] <xnox> An MBR partition with type 0xee indicates the presence of GPT.
[02:22] <xnox> and i have that
[02:22] <xnox> why did it generate that
[02:29] <xnox> mwhudson:  don't forget to delete the output file, before each xorriso run.
[02:29] <xnox> mwhudson:  because otherwise it appends a session, rather than clobbering and creating a new file
[02:29] <mwhudson> xnox: argh
[02:30] <xnox> because stateful!
[02:42] <mwhudson> my head hurts
[02:59] <mwhudson> xnox, vorlon: did we change which version of xorriso we were using recently?
[03:01] <xnox> mwhudson:  yes
[03:01] <xnox> mwhudson:  from hand-build one, to recent one.
[03:02] <mwhudson> xnox: from what to what?
[03:02] <mwhudson> xnox: and did we have a custom libisofs too?
[03:02] <mwhudson> xnox: also go to bed
[03:02] <xnox> Bump all groovy builds to use newer xorriso (1.4.2 from xenial instead of vendored 1.2.4).
[03:03] <xnox> # temporary hack until such time as we can upgrade all builds to 1.2.4
[03:03] <xnox> new_xorriso="/home/cdimage/xorriso/xorriso-1.2.4/xorriso/xorriso"
[03:03] <xnox> and it was only used on some arches
[03:03] <xnox> from xorriso project, not from libisoburn
[03:04] <mwhudson> hmm
[03:04] <mwhudson> becase i changed the command line and got this:
[03:04] <mwhudson> libisofs: FAILURE : Image write error
[03:04] <mwhudson> libisofs: NOTE :  > Caused by: Overlapping MBR partition entries requested
[03:05] <mwhudson> but the change in xorriso version presumably did not cause image builds to fail
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[08:08] <Laney> xnox: context?
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[10:43] <xnox> Laney:  lots of ftbfs in haskell, due to Monad Fail changes.
[12:06] <LocutusOfBorg> hello ubuntu-archive bbswitch NBS-proposed cleanup ping!
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[14:51] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: bbswitch cleaned up
[15:04] <LocutusOfBorg> ta
[15:14] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, may I also request a forget-hint for it? http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/b/bbswitch/groovy/arm64
[15:14] <LocutusOfBorg> looks baaaaaaad
[15:49] <xnox> apw:  vorlon: the zfcpdump-kernel & zfcpdump-kernel-signed is the biennial updates of the zfcpdump kernel with two bugfixes.
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[16:19] <xnox> more haskell removals ubuntu-archive https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/agda-stdlib/+bug/1886847
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[18:46] <Eickmeyer> ubuntu-archive: teward and I have numerous new packages in the queue to review. I want to make sure that those will get reviewed. vorlon in particular rejected redkite, this upload has the fix you requested.
[18:46] <Eickmeyer> That said, I will be out with my family most of today.
[18:47] <teward> *unneeded ping*
[18:47] <teward> *sends Eickmeyer to the Voids*
[18:47]  * Eickmeyer salts teward
[19:20] <GunnarHj> Hi bdmurray, was about to attend to bug #1886282, but gnome-user-docs and gnome-getting-started-docs are stuck in focal's new queue. Any chance you can 'release' those?
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[19:50] <bdmurray> GunnarHj: Done
[19:51] <GunnarHj> bdmurray: Thanks!
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[23:16] <xnox> vorlon:  mwhudson: I don't know if it helps or not, but I made an alternative ghc tracker at https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/ghc-new.html
[23:16] <xnox> it considers i386 & all .debs to be always installable.
[23:16] <xnox> making i386 column green, and collapsing most of the output by default.
[23:17] <xnox> such that we can see what's missing.
[23:17] <xnox> ideally we'd just not run i386 for this tracker, but i don't know how to make ben be invoked for this tracker without i386.
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[23:20] <mwhudson> xnox: certainly looks better
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[23:26] <xnox> mwhudson:  RM requests filed for agda & agda-stdlib (which is arch:all ....), also haskell-gitlib
[23:27] <xnox> mwhudson:  uploading haskell-heist fix
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[18:12] <pavlushka> u-la-la: tell zaki that I'll be off for a week or two.
[18:12] <u-la-la> pavlushka: I'll pass that on when zaki is around.


[12:53] <ubotu> cables called the ops in #ubuntu
[12:54] <PriceChild> he jsut asked to be kicked...
[12:54] <Amaranth> those are known trolls
[12:54] <Amaranth> i banned them both yesterday
[12:55] <rob> yeah, I was just about to kick them myself then realised I wasn't opered up :(
[12:55] <Amaranth> i don't have my script
[12:55] <Amaranth> using Colloquy on OS X :P
[12:55] <rob> heh, I ment in the ircop sense
[12:56] <mc44> Amaranth: OS TRAITOR?
[12:56] <mc44> :)
[12:56] <rob> hehe
[12:56] <PriceChild> burn him!
[12:56] <Amaranth> mc44: broken laptop
[12:56] <PriceChild> pfft that's what they all say
[12:56] <rob> I'm on Vista right now, should I duck and cover?
[12:56] <mc44> rob: run!
[12:56] <Amaranth> Get out the pitchforks
[12:56] <Amaranth> rob: No no, don't run, you're fine
[12:56] <PriceChild> *yawns*
[12:57] <PriceChild> at least its calmed down after the other day *touches wood*
[01:00] <BFTD> Hi, can anyone in here give me a ubuntu host mask?
[01:01] <rob> BFTD, are you part of the Ubuntu project at all?
[01:01] <BFTD> rob yes, yes I am
[01:01] <BFTD> xubuntu actually
[01:01] <pleia2> BFTD: you have to be an ubuntu member to get a member cloak
[01:01] <nalioth> BFTD: have you become an Ubuntu Member?
[01:02] <rob> I was just about to mention nalioth :)
[01:02] <BFTD> ah yes, so I have to wait till I get approved then in the launchpad group?
[01:03] <nalioth> BFTD: yep, a call on the carpet is required  :P
[01:03] <BFTD> ?
[01:03] <pleia2> he going to the CC and going through the process of getting approved
[01:03] <pleia2> s/he/he means
[01:03] <rob> the latest version is 7.10 right?
[01:03] <nalioth> rob: no, that is the future
[01:04] <BFTD> thats gutsy
[01:04] <nalioth> rob: latest stable is 7.04
[01:04] <rob> oh good, I thought I was going to have to download another .iso
[01:04] <rob> thanks :)
[01:04] <BFTD> would any of you happen to know who the op of #ubuntu-california is?
[01:05] <pleia2> BFTD: /msg chanserv info #ubuntu-california
[01:15] <BFTD> how do I get a GPG?
[01:15] <mc44> !gpg
[01:15] <ubotu> gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto and class #8 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClassroomTranscripts
[01:22] <ubotu> Minataku called the ops in #kubuntu
[02:11] <ubotu> MenZa called the ops in #ubuntu
[04:12] <ubotu> porkonastick called the ops in #ubuntu
[04:12] <ubotu> CrackWhore called the ops in #ubuntu
[04:12] <ubotu> eloel called the ops in #ubuntu
[04:12] <ubotu> AGirl called the ops in #ubuntu
[04:12] <ubotu> iamagirl called the ops in #ubuntu
[04:12] <ubotu> girlwn called the ops in #ubuntu
[04:13] <ubotu> IndyGunFreak called the ops in #ubuntu
[04:16] <ishock_> Test?
[04:16] <PriceChild> ishock_, hey
[04:16] <PriceChild> have you reconnected on 8001?
[04:18] <ishock_> oh
[04:18] <ishock_> Oops
[04:19] <iShock> PriceChild: Fine, now I have LO
[04:19] <PriceChild> LO?
[04:19] <iShock> :P*
[04:20] <PriceChild> Are you on port 8001?
[04:20] <iShock> Yews
[04:20] <PriceChild> iShock, you may rejoin #ubuntu
[04:20] <iShock> OMG
[04:20] <PriceChild> Thankyou for your patience
[04:20] <iShock> U R DCC FL00der.
[04:20] <iShock> Lol, jk
[04:20] <PriceChild> :)
[04:21] <PriceChild> *beds*
[04:31] <chump> can someone test me for ddcexploit please ?
[04:32] <nalioth> chump: stand by
[04:33] <nalioth> chump: all good, thanks for your patience, you can join #ubuntu now
[04:34] <chump> nalioth:  can you explain what the exploit does to me &
[04:34] <nalioth> chump: /msg ubotu exploit
[04:37] <chump> well thank guys
[09:31] <ubotu> bruenig called the ops in #ubuntu
[09:49] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, VIrUZ_ said: ubotu putty is offtopic
[12:33] <Myrtti> oh, aoithr lalala is back again?
[12:44] <gnomefreak> where?
[02:53] <GazzaK> hello kind Op's and Op'esses, I'd like to make a complaint :p
[02:53] <mc44> Sorry, this isn't the complaints department.
[02:53] <jussi01> lol
[02:53] <mc44> you want #gentoo
[02:53] <jussi01> hehhehe
[02:53] <jussi01> rofl
[02:53] <GazzaK> ##windows is bad enough :'(
[02:55] <GazzaK> seriously, it's really bad
[02:56] <GazzaK> it's no fun there
[02:59] <GazzaK> damnit, I'm giving them help now, save me
[02:59] <jussi01> lol
[03:01] <Hobbsee> hahah
[03:01] <GazzaK> seriously Hobbsee they smell in there
[03:01] <Hobbsee> poor GazzaK
[03:03] <jussi01> GazzaK: why are you in there anyway?
[03:03] <GazzaK> in where?
[03:03] <jussi01> ##windows
[03:03] <GazzaK> 'cos SHE kicked me there (redirect)
[03:03] <nalioth> GazzaK joined ##windows to rile them up
[03:03] <jussi01> oh... you left...
[03:04] <jussi01> lol
[03:04] <nalioth> we all know GazzaK is a big troublemaker  :P
[03:04] <GazzaK> I am not
[03:04] <GazzaK> I'm a good boy
[03:04] <nalioth> medium-sized?
[03:04] <GazzaK> well maybe
[03:04] <jussi01> lol
[03:04] <Hobbsee> hiya nalioth!
[03:04] <GazzaK> kthxbye
[03:04] <nalioth> howdy Hobbsee
[03:04] <GazzaK> did you sing that Hobbsee
[03:04] <jussi01> Hobbsee: ...never....
[03:05] <GazzaK> maybe I should suggest Hobbsee joins ##apple for a bit :p
[03:05] <jussi01> lol
[03:05] <Hobbsee> dream on
[03:07] <nalioth> nothing wrong with ##apple
[03:07] <GazzaK> she knows I'll kick her on join
[03:08] <nalioth> best channel covering Cupertino on any network
[03:08] <GazzaK> i'll have to try to entice her into #ubuntu-uk
[03:08] <GazzaK> cappuccino ?  yes please
[03:09] <Hobbsee> GazzaK: but i dont live in the UK at this point.
[03:09] <GazzaK> phew
[03:09] <jussi01> lol
[03:09] <Hobbsee> still...distro sprints and whatnot seem to be there sometimes
[03:10] <nalioth> GazzaK: if you're gonna blaspheme, i'll give Hobbsee your access in ##apple
[03:10] <GazzaK> as I said, I'm a really nice boy, I'd never ever be naughty
[03:11] <GazzaK> wow, no one laughed
[03:12] <Hobbsee> :(
[03:13] <GazzaK> :'(
[03:13] <elkbuntu> poor puppy :(
[03:13] <GazzaK> what make and model hound is it?
[03:13] <nalioth> shetland sheepdog
[03:13] <GazzaK> awww
[03:13] <GazzaK> how sick?
[03:13] <nalioth> sick enough to keep me awake
[03:14] <elkbuntu> GazzaK, have you ever heard a dog puking?
[03:14] <GazzaK> elkbuntu, yes, it ain't nice
[03:14] <elkbuntu> GazzaK, that's all it needs to be to keep a neighbourhood awake ;)
[03:15] <GazzaK> and you have to tidy it up right away, or the dog starts eating it up again....
[03:15] <nalioth> not this one
[03:15] <nalioth> she just found a new spot to puke in
[03:15] <PriceChild> I woke up this morning... sat up, looked out the window and there were a couple of dogs outside by the pond...
[03:17] <GazzaK> PriceChild, is there anymore to that story?
[03:18] <PriceChild> Well it was an odd thing to see... seen as we don't own any dogs
[03:18] <GazzaK> what were they doing?  fishing?
[03:18] <PriceChild> and seen as there were dog discussions on I thought it must be a sign that I should bore you all with it :)
[03:18] <jussi01> lol
[03:20] <Seeker`> I saw a dog once.
[03:20] <PriceChild> "it was a tuesday"
[03:20] <nalioth> i ate a dog once
[03:20] <PriceChild> did you realise at the time?
[03:20] <nalioth> nope
[03:21] <nalioth> only found out after the fact
[03:21] <GazzaK> was it nice?
[03:21] <PriceChild> was it nice?
[03:21] <nalioth> not really prepared well at all
[03:21] <PriceChild> (and was it nice after learning?)
[03:21] <Seeker`> was it nice?
[03:21] <Pumpernickel> was it nice?
[03:21] <GazzaK> lol
[03:21] <nalioth> i've eaten all kinds of animals
[03:23] <nalioth> guess the room is full of vegans, eh?
[03:23] <PriceChild> that or animal lovers
[03:24] <GazzaK> what kind of animals nalioth, not the normal ones, what exotic ones?
[03:24] <GazzaK> any more pets?
[03:24] <jussi01> and croadile
[03:24] <jussi01> and crocadile
[03:24] <GazzaK> wonder what kitten tastes like
[03:24] <jussi01> lol
[03:24] <PriceChild> GazzaK, :O
[03:24] <PriceChild> how dare you
[03:24] <jussi01> GazzaK: ever had dimsims?
[03:24] <jussi01> :P
[03:24] <nalioth> turtle, snake, lizard, dog, cat, squirrel, snail, frog, can't remember any more
[03:24] <GazzaK> well I have one curled up on my lap you see, and I have a microwave...
[03:25] <PriceChild> :O
[03:25] <jussi01> hahaha
[03:25] <GazzaK> whats cat taste like?
[03:25] <jussi01> GazzaK: dimsims!!
[03:25] <Pumpernickel> Chicken.
[03:25] <Hobbsee> GazzaK: chicken.  duh.
[03:25] <GazzaK> whats dimsims?
[03:25] <Hobbsee> everyone knows that
[03:25] <PriceChild> everything tastes like chicken
[03:26] <GazzaK> I would imagine it's a bit bony though, she ain't that fat
[03:26] <nalioth> oh yeah, forget to mention the feral and wild variety of pig
[03:26] <PriceChild> except kfc...
[03:26] <PriceChild> so i hear
[03:26] <nalioth> deer
[03:26] <GazzaK> boar is nice
[03:26] <nalioth> buffalo
[03:26] <PriceChild> I've had deer
[03:26] <jussi01> GazzaK: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dim_sim
[03:26] <PriceChild> that was lovely
[03:27] <jussi01> emu pie was great!
[03:28] <GazzaK> my cat is looking at me...
[03:28] <jussi01> lol
[03:28] <GazzaK> I feel bad now
[03:30] <jussi01> hehe... this is th ops channel and we are talking about eating pets... hmmmm
[03:30] <jussi01> grrrr....
[03:32] <jussi01> do i taste good?
[03:32] <GazzaK> like chicken
[03:32] <jussi01> lol
[03:32] <TheSheep> what do you get for trolling on @ubuntu-ops? :)
[03:32] <GazzaK> money?
[03:33] <PriceChild> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/OperatorGuidelines
[03:33] <PriceChild> "Trolling: ban"
[03:33] <jussi01> TheSheep: booted?
[03:34] <Hobbsee> TheSheep: mailing list, or irc channel?
[03:34] <nalioth> jussi01: no, not pets
[03:35] <jussi01> nalioth: [16:24]  <GazzaK> well I have one curled up on my lap you see, and I have a microwave...
[03:35] <jussi01> [16:26]  <GazzaK> I would imagine it's a bit bony though, she ain't that fat
[03:36] <nalioth> ah, well that's just GazzaK the troublemaker
[03:36] <jussi01> lol
[03:36] <nalioth> none of the animals i've eaten were pets
[03:37] <Hobbsee> sure sure.
[03:38] <GazzaK> eeek, am I getting the blame, again?
[03:38] <jussi01> GazzaK: of course
[03:39] <elkbuntu> GazzaK, we have to blame someone, it may as well be someone who enjoys it
[03:39] <GazzaK> but I don't, It makes me cry each time
[03:39] <jussi01> nice call elkbuntu
[03:39] <jussi01> GazzaK: yeah, cry with happiness
[04:21] <Daviey> ;)
[04:25] <nalioth> ok, i'm gonna try to get some sleep
 dogs
[05:24] <goban> hey it wont let me join ubuntu
[05:24] <goban> i am on 8001
[05:26] <jrib> goban: testing
[05:27] <goban> jrib, i dont appear to be kickd
[05:27] <jrib> goban: thanks for your patience, you should be able to rejoin #ubuntu now
[05:27] <goban> thanks
[05:28] <ishock_> Hiya jrib
[05:28] <jrib> ishock_: hi
[05:28] <ishock_> Still dccing people? :O
[05:28] <goban> this is really off-topic but im about to get a VPS, what would you recommend? (my price cap is about 30)
[05:29] <ishock_> goban, check budgetdedicated.com...Good prices, you pick what you need, and you get a free trial
[05:29] <goban> thanks
[05:29] <ishock_> Np
[05:42] <elkbuntu> goban, #ubuntu-offtopic is a good place to ask off-topic questions like that
[05:42] <goban> gotcha
[06:26] <ishock_> jrib?
[06:29] <jrib> ishock_: hi
[06:30] <ishock_> Can you unban me from #ubuntu? I'm not on  port 8001 but  Iwanna ask something...How do I install wine?
[06:32] <jrib> ishock_: why aren't you on port 8001?
[06:32] <ishock_> My internet DCs, and Konversation reconnects to 6667
[06:32] <jrib> change the settings
[06:33] <ishock_> I dunno where...Im only asking for how to install wine, can you tell me real quick?
[06:33] <crdlb> !dcc
[06:33] <ubotu> There are people around who think it is funny to abuse a bug in certain routers by sending invalid DCC commands. When bitten by this bug ops in #ubuntu remove users so they are no longer targets. To fix it have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit
[06:33] <ishock_> !wine > ishock_
[06:33] <jrib> ishock_: /msg ubotu wine
[06:33] <jrib> do change your port settings though
[06:33] <ishock_> I dunno where
[06:34] <crdlb> see above
[06:34] <ishock_> Oh
[06:34] <ishock_> Well...
[06:34] <ishock_> What the...
[06:34] <ishock_> How do  Icheck repos again?
[06:37] <PriceChild> ishock_, this is not a support channel.
[06:39] <ishock_> Well, considering I don't feel I should have to change ports to ask one stupid little question, and doing it would make Konversation crap out on me again...
[07:04] <Peke_Mulatita> ola
[07:12] <jrib> why don't we just send that ip to #ubuntu-es?
[07:24] <PriceChild> jrib, well its not a spanish ip is it?
[07:24] <PriceChild> I thought it was turkish
[07:35] <jrib> "ola" sounds spanish, geolocation puts it somewhere in spain too
[07:36] <PriceChild> hehe ok maybe not...
[07:36] <PriceChild> *blames hobbsee for putting the turkish in his head*
[07:37] <PriceChild> Still, I don't like the idea of forwarding to -es because IMO they aren't genuine and are all (that I've seen) just trying to annoy.
[07:38] <jrib> yeah, a lot of them seem to pop in, spam an email address and leave
[07:41] <PriceChild> several just degrade to pasting the same letter repeatedly
[08:47] <ubotu> Flannel called the ops in #ubuntu
[08:54] <nixternal> anyone heard of JerryMcFartz2* in #ubuntu? He logged in rappidly with 3 clones...keep an eye on him
[10:35] <Mez> so f**king annoyed... my jack setup wont work in gutsy


[00:23] <santa_> RikMills: I've just pushed the changes after testing builds for kdesignerplugin, kdelibs4support and akonadi
[05:22] <RikMills> santa_: thanks!
[11:15] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all


[14:48] <LinDol> have a great night! :)
[16:40] <spark_> hi every one, i got some weird blutooth bug under the lts version of ubuntu gnome, to be simple here is the issue, when I do connect my bluetooth keyboard or bluetooth mouse gnome shell compleatly freeze along with running apps but TTY still run fine. The freeze last about 5 minutes before returning to normal. after that both the mouse and keyboard works just fine. I do not know where to look at to fix this. if i pair them in tty it work
[16:40] <spark_> s instantaly and i get no freeze but when i switch back to X it freeze
[23:09] <darkxst> Noskcaj, there is a second patch required for ppc tests https://git.gnome.org/browse/gjs/commit/?id=c7689ebba066a5028bab7202b515a482d63a5e25
[23:14] <darkxst> Noskcaj, also don't make ppc tests fatal until we can confirm they pass