[01:35] <andresmujica> hi all
[01:35] <andresmujica> how should i treat this issue?
[01:35] <andresmujica> http://www.linuxloop.com/news/2008/12/21/time-for-ubuntu-to-move-to-stability/
[01:35] <andresmujica> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-app-install/+bug/311455
[01:35] <andresmujica> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1016743&page=2
[01:36] <andresmujica> i've just confirmed that installing any adobe air application
[01:36] <andresmujica> would erase the add/remove application list
[01:37] <andresmujica> anyone knows about an adobe air bug tracker?
[01:37] <andresmujica> hmm
[01:37] <andresmujica> google is my friend
[01:37]  * Rocket2DMn looks
[01:37] <andresmujica> bugs.adobe.com
[01:38] <andresmujica> gonna look into there...
[01:39] <Rocket2DMn> idk if LP recognizes that upstream bug tracker
[01:39] <Rocket2DMn> you can certainly go ahead and confirm/triage the bug on LP tho
[01:39] <andresmujica> yeap
[01:40] <Rocket2DMn> are you on bugcontrol?
[01:40] <andresmujica> i'm gonna check the upstream bug tracker
[01:40] <andresmujica> not yet
[01:40] <andresmujica> hope to be there soon :)
[01:40] <andresmujica> but i know how to add a bugtracker to launchpad :)
[01:40] <Rocket2DMn> cool, well do your triaging and ping me when youre done, i can set the importance for you
[01:40] <andresmujica> thks
[01:40] <Rocket2DMn> np
[01:41] <james_w> andresmujica: have you worked out why the list is empty?
[01:41] <andresmujica> about bugcontrol do you know when new applicactions would be reviewed?
[01:41] <andresmujica> i'm into that..
[01:42] <andresmujica> not pretty sure yet thou
[01:42] <james_w> what's in "/usr/share/app-install/"
[01:42] <james_w> ?
[01:42] <andresmujica> let me recreate the bug again
[01:42] <james_w> as for applications, we aim to review them within a week or so, but obviously things may move slower around this time of year
[01:42] <james_w> I'll try and review yours soon
[01:42] <andresmujica> hehe thks :)
[01:46] <andresmujica> diff app-install/desktop/ /tmp/app-install/desktop/
[01:46] <andresmujica> Sólo en app-install/desktop/: com.happytoad.air.fotobooth.130a080afcc69239d6f9896eebed2327bc93ed43.1.desktop
[02:48] <andresmujica> well, it turns out that adobe has a flashplayer public bug tracking system, but it's in JIRA and therefore Launchpad still doesn't have support for it...
[02:48] <andresmujica> Rocket can you set the importance for the bug.. i would say low ...
[02:49] <andresmujica> for bug #311455
[02:50] <andresmujica> bug #157488
[02:50] <andresmujica> for the JIRA issue...
[02:52] <Rocket2DMn> is this really a gnome-app-install issue?
[02:52]  * Hobbsee mutters about crack packaging
[02:52] <Hobbsee> and this is *precisely* why we don't enable stuff like this by default.
[02:53] <Hobbsee> Rocket2DMn: it's not a gnome-app-install issue, i don't think
[02:53] <Hobbsee> although perhaps it should be more robust?
[02:53] <Rocket2DMn> idk
[02:53] <Hobbsee> oh, getlibs too
[02:53] <Hobbsee> right, we really don't support that then
[02:54] <Hobbsee> oh wow, that's *really* special.
[02:55] <Rocket2DMn> what the heck kind of install directions are those, lol
[02:55] <Hobbsee> Rocket2DMn: ones which subvert the entire packaging system
[02:55] <Rocket2DMn> indeed
[02:56] <Hobbsee> "take these files out of a deb, and put them in a location"
[02:56] <Hobbsee> no, just fix your scripts, and install the debs as normal.  duh?
[02:56] <Hobbsee> wgrant: look above, you might enjoy this crack
[02:57] <Rocket2DMn> ok, so where exactly in the "install" process is it breaking the system?
[02:58] <Rocket2DMn> somewhere something happens that results in the applications not being shown in add/remove
[02:59] <andresmujica> yeap, i do agree that is not gnome-app-install fault....
[03:02] <Rocket2DMn> gnome-app-install ?
[03:03] <Rocket2DMn> Hobbsee and andresmujica ^
[03:03] <Rocket2DMn> hmmm
[03:03] <Rocket2DMn> thats the only thing i can find that makes sense
[03:03] <Rocket2DMn> but its still not right
[03:04] <Hobbsee> Rocket2DMn: i don't know, but it looks like they're on severe crack with their written instructions, let alone what's in their deb.
[03:04]  * wgrant cries.
[03:04] <Rocket2DMn> +1 wgrant
[03:04] <Rocket2DMn> what configuration got screwed up that add/remove doesnt see the list anymore though?
[03:04]  * Hobbsee wonders if playonlinux is worse, or better, than that abomination
[03:05] <wgrant> PlayOnLinux is undoubtedly worse.
[03:05] <wgrant> But it's easier to install.
[03:05] <wgrant> Rocket2DMn: I'm trying to work that out.
[03:05] <Rocket2DMn> automatix for life baby
[03:05] <Hobbsee> that was also on crack.
[03:05] <wgrant> PlayOnLinux has worse code than Automatix.
[03:05] <Hobbsee> and also broke things
[03:05] <wgrant> Automatix did worse things, but its code was better.
[03:05] <Rocket2DMn> now they have ultamatix
[03:05] <Hobbsee> which is still written by an incompetent.
[03:06] <Hobbsee> see mjg59's reviews of all of them.
[03:06]  * Rocket2DMn misses Feisty
[03:07] <Rocket2DMn> ok well it would be cool if we can track down what is changed that add/remove reads, perhaps it just cant parse some configuration/xml file?  maybe its a glitch that DOES fall under gnome-app-install
[03:07] <Rocket2DMn> despite those shoddy install directions
[03:08] <andresmujica> well. i've installed some air applications and the only thing i've found at /usr/share/app-install was that desktop dir was modified by adding a .desktop file for the air app installed.
[03:08] <andresmujica> and the name is somewhat long so maybe that's the faul?
[03:08] <andresmujica> t
[03:08] <Hobbsee> Rocket2DMn: the other problem is that only part of 2 packages are being installed
[03:08] <Hobbsee> and whatever getlibs crack does
[03:08] <wgrant> I'm a little confused as to the point of Adobe AIR - is it basically writing web applications that run on fewer platforms than web applications?
[03:09] <Hobbsee> so there could well be incompatibility there (either now in the future)
[03:10] <andresmujica> one of the air apps installed is called FotoBoth, a lame copy of cheese...
[03:10] <Hobbsee> wgrant: it's trying to cash in on the macbook appeal
[03:12] <Rocket2DMn> yeah this is using an entire process that is unsupported.... getlibs isnt in any of our repos or debian's
[03:13] <Alonely> heya; I'm having an incredibly aggravating time trying to dual-boot Windows and Linux; when I attempt to install Ubuntu, this shows up: "/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off"
[03:14] <Alonely> I want this so badly to work :<
[03:15] <Rocket2DMn> Alonely, this isnt a support channel, you should try #ubuntu
[03:15] <Rocket2DMn> what version of ubuntu are you using anyway, i havent seen that error in quite some time
[03:15] <Alonely> I know, I'm just venting frustration
[03:16] <Alonely> hrm, to be honest, I'm not exactly sure
[03:16] <Alonely> stupid as that is
[03:16] <Alonely> my friend burned me a copy awhile ago and I just now got around to using it
[03:16] <Rocket2DMn> how long ago was awhile ago
[03:16] <Alonely> probably about a year
[03:17] <Rocket2DMn> yeah that could be an unsupported version of Ubuntu
[03:18] <Rocket2DMn> you should download the latest from ubuntu.com
[03:18] <Alonely> mm, I'll just have to wait until I can burn the newest one
[03:18] <Hobbsee> or get them to send you one
[03:18] <Alonely> as of now I have no blank CDs, bah
[03:18] <Alonely> true
[03:18] <Hobbsee> where are you located?
[03:19] <Alonely> Florida, USA
[03:19] <Hobbsee> hrm
[03:20]  * Hobbsee looks at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FloridaTeam/NewUser
[03:21] <Hobbsee> there are some linux user groups there - one of them can probably give you a cd of it
[03:21] <Hobbsee> someone in #ubuntu-florida might be able to send you one more quickly, too
[03:21] <Alonely> thankya! :D
[03:21] <Hobbsee> you're welcome!
[03:22]  * Hobbsee has a couple, but is in australia, so isn't so much help ;)
[03:22] <Alonely> :<
[03:22] <Alonely> poo
[03:22] <Alonely> alsoalso, since my newbishness has already been displayed
[03:22] <Alonely> I have a quick question: kubuntu or xubuntu?
[03:23] <Alonely> I'm thinking KDE
[03:23] <Hobbsee> which do you like the look of more?
[03:23] <Alonely> Kubuntu
[03:23] <Alonely> so that?
[03:23] <Hobbsee> then go with that ;)
[03:23] <Alonely> 'kay
[03:23] <Alonely> gee tanks
[05:54] <duanedesign> bug #307684 could someone please set this bug to 'wishlist', thank you
[05:56] <crimsun> duanedesign: done.
[05:56] <duanedesign> thank you
[06:48] <duanedesign> Bug #311415 I think this bug should probabally be set to 'wishlist'
[07:56] <duanedesign> a bug concerning a broken link on https://help.ubuntu.com should be attached to?
[07:56] <Hobbsee> ubuntu-website, i think
[07:57] <duanedesign> i  think you are right. i did one awhile back and couldnt remember it.
[07:57] <duanedesign> thank you
[08:15] <duanedesign> you
[08:15] <duanedesign> I think Bug #311747 should be set to 'wishlist', thank you
[08:16] <maco> kernel.org's priority maybe ought to be up there as well...
[08:28] <Hobbsee> that sounds like it should get lost in the murky depths of brainstorm
[08:28]  * Hobbsee smacks it with a stick
[08:30] <duanedesign> Hobbsee: thank you
[08:30] <Hobbsee> np
[08:32] <duanedesign> I think Bug #311606 should be set to 'wishlist' thank you
[08:34] <Hobbsee> marked
[08:35] <duanedesign> thank you again
[14:49] <_ismael_> bonjour
[14:49] <_ismael_> hi
[15:55] <skorasaurus> howdy.
[15:56] <nhandler> Hi skorasaurus
[15:57] <skorasaurus> how do I create an upstream task ? I was reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage#Marking%20a%20Bug%20as%20Requiring%20Forwarding but it does not say how.
[15:57] <skorasaurus> i suggest that it should say how, or at least, link to a page that it should.
[15:57] <skorasaurus> link to a page that describes how*
[15:59] <nhandler> skorasaurus: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Watches explains how to set a bug watch
[16:00] <skorasaurus> nhandler, aha.
[16:00] <nhandler> Feel free to edit the wiki page to make it more clear
[16:00] <skorasaurus> I'm confused then, what's the difference between creating an upstream task and setting a bug watch ?
[16:01] <skorasaurus> (they seem like the same thing, or no ?)
[16:01] <skorasaurus> nhandler, i'll edit the page.
[16:02] <nhandler> They are pretty much the same thing. An upstream task just says that it affects an upstream project. A bug watch takes it one step further and actually links to an upstream bug report
[16:03] <skorasaurus> k. thanks for the info.
[16:03] <skorasaurus> I'll add that to the page too.
[16:04]  * skorasaurus is starting to triage bugs and is forwarding one upstream
[16:05] <nhandler> skorasaurus: Keep in mind, many people will sometimes use the two terms interchangeably
[16:06] <skorasaurus> k. thanks.
[17:09] <charlie-tca> Here's an interesting bug... bug 311759
[18:45] <MTecknology> Hobbsee: ping
[19:45] <skorasaurus> Hi.
[19:48] <Nafallo> ubottu: please kick emma or something...
[20:03] <skorasaurus> i just triaged one of my first bugs, anyone mind to see if I did it right ?
[20:06] <joumetal> what is number of that bug?
[20:09] <skorasaurus> oh sorry.
[20:09] <skorasaurus> https://bugs.launchpad.net/brasero/+bug/311880
[20:14] <hggdh> skorasaurus, good work. I marked it triaged. Thanks for the help
[20:17] <skorasaurus> once I do my part, do I post in here that it needs to be marked triaged ?
[20:17] <skorasaurus> (because it's marked confirmed, right ?)
[20:23] <hggdh> skorasaurus, yes, it was marked confirmed. Only bug-control can mark it triaged
[20:23] <skorasaurus> k.
[20:23] <hggdh> once it has been confirmed, and there is nothing else to be done by bugsquad/control, we mark it traiged
[20:23] <skorasaurus> thanks hggdh
[20:24] <hggdh> since you did it all... THANKS
[20:24] <grindhold> hello: i've got a strange problem. i installed a fresh ubuntu on a pc. i tried to install the updates on the system but it tells me, that it cannot reach the update servers. sources.list fits and i don't know what to do else. on this pc i can reach the update-servers
[20:25] <grindhold> i already tried the main server, the german server an the switzerland server for updates
[20:25] <grindhold> i also get very much md5 hashsum mismatches for no reason
[20:26] <hggdh> grindhold, you will probably get more help on #ubuntu -- this channel is not for user support
[20:26] <hggdh> but
[20:26] <hggdh> you *do* have a network connection, right?
[20:27] <LimCore> hello
[20:27] <grindhold> yes. ubuntu already installed about 50 packages :D
[20:27] <grindhold> err.. updates
[20:27] <LimCore> [8.10] switching of users - fails on all boxes I have access too.  Either epically (it doesnt work at all, or crashes machine with nvidia driver) or partially (it works at random, on intell gfx)
[20:27] <hggdh> grindhold, did you manually change the sources.list? and what version of Ubuntu?
[20:28] <LimCore> report this agains what package? Im testing on gnome
[20:28] <grindhold> intrepid. i changed sources.list with the graphical interface
[20:28] <hggdh> LimCore, fast-user-switch-applet
[20:28] <LimCore> thanks hggdh
[20:29] <hggdh> grindhold, can you show your sources.list in a pastebin?
[20:29] <grindhold> roger
[20:30] <LimCore> how to get a bug to have higher fixme priority>
[20:33] <hggdh> LimCore, you can raise the importance (but this will not mean that it will be worked now). You can also esplain in the bug *why* it should be looked at now
[20:33] <hggdh> s/esplain/explain/
[20:37] <grindhold> this here is the sources.list http://pastebin.com/d4503b875
[20:44] <LimCore> well it is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fast-user-switch-applet/+bug/311978 anyway
[20:53] <grindhold> short read in buffer_copy (backend dpkg-deb during `./usr/lib/openoffice/program/libsvgfilter680li.so')
[20:53] <grindhold> what does that mean
[20:53] <grindhold> i just wanted to fix broken packages
[20:53] <grindhold> and get this error oO
[20:54] <LimCore> grindhold: pastebin or something the full error?
[20:59] <grindhold> damnit... closed the window.. i am trying to reproduce the error
[20:59] <grindhold> here :
[20:59] <grindhold> http://pastebin.com/d23d1514
[21:02] <hggdh> grindhold, it looks like your sources.list is kosher
[21:03] <grindhold> thx hggdh, i think that too
[21:05] <hggdh> grindhold, how are you on disk space?
[21:08] <grindhold> hggdh: this pc has about 960 GB free space :D
[21:12] <grindhold> sooo. i deleted these packages manually from /var/cache/apt/archives, restarted and tried to reinstall them.. now i get these: http://rafb.net/p/9z1UC782.html
[21:13] <grindhold> i am about to milk mice -.-
[21:16] <hggdh> grindhold, let's get back to disk space: did you install under one single filesystem?
[21:17] <grindhold> i have a swap with the size of 2 GiB on a 500 GB disk. the rest ist ext3 and the ubuntu is running on it
[21:18] <grindhold> i have a second disk fully formatted in ext3, mounted under /media/files
[21:20] <hggdh> ok, so all of Ubuntu is under /
[21:20] <grindhold> roger
[21:20] <grindhold> yes.. the 498 GiB partition is mounted under /
[21:21] <joumetal> bug 130813 looks similar
[21:23] <joumetal> grindhold: have you already tried archive.ubuntu.com?
[21:23] <hggdh> joumetal, good idea
[21:23] <grindhold> yes i tried, joumetal. that's the Ubuntu Main Server, aight?
[21:25] <joumetal> yes. does it give same error? (after apt-get update)
[21:25] <hggdh> grindhold, yes. did you put *all* sources.list under it?
[21:26] <grindhold> how do you mean that? hggdh
[21:27] <hggdh> all sources in sources.list were using archive.ubuntu.com, correct?
[21:28] <grindhold> i have to look at sources.list again.. just a moment
[21:31] <grindhold> hggdh: everything runs under archive.ubuntu.com except 2 lines with "archive.canonical.com"
[21:31] <grindhold> it should be allright, no?
[21:31] <hggdh> it should, but just in case, comment out the archive.canonical.com
[21:31] <hggdh> and try again
[21:32]  * hggdh does not believe in witches, but that they exist, they do
[21:35] <grindhold> i commented it out. now i have a new prob maybe this makes things clearer: i get this error: "Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2  Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)" while trying to get the new repository indexes
[21:37] <hggdh> yay
[21:38] <grindhold> it's so confuscating :D
[21:40] <crimsun> keep in mind that transparent proxies often do nefarious things. check with your isp.
[21:42] <grindhold> but the source is NOT offline and from another pc with the same isp in the same household i reach the packages :D
[21:47] <crimsun> grindhold: is that bzip2 error reproducible across several hours?
[21:47] <grindhold> it is ocurring at all servers
[21:47] <grindhold> now i tried the "find best server"-feature
[21:47] <grindhold> i get the same error
[21:48] <grindhold> crimsun: i do not think, that the sources are down.. its nearly impossible, that so many are down. and i reach them with another pc in the same network. thats the riddiculous thing
[21:49] <joumetal> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=756864 gives some suggestions. like aptitude update and links to another thread too.
[21:49] <crimsun> grindhold: i doubt it would be the repositories' issue
[21:49] <crimsun> grindhold: i suspect either a medium error (wireless or wired ethernet?) or a driver error
[21:55] <crimsun> grindhold: i.e., which driver are you using?
[21:58] <grindhold> driver for ethernet?
[21:59] <crimsun> grindhold: whichever driver for whichever hardware over which the data flow
[22:00] <grindhold> ehrmm.. how am i going to find that out?
[22:00] <grindhold> i think i will not do that with ifconfig
[22:01] <crimsun> grindhold: lspci -v and lsmod
[22:04] <grindhold> lsmod http://pastebin.com/d3aac2f9c  lspci  http://pastebin.com/d2813b405
[22:05] <crimsun> grindhold: is the r8169 driver generating any errors that you can see via dmesg?
[22:06] <grindhold> i can see none.. i searched with dmesg | grep r8169
[22:07] <grindhold> i get this > http://pastebin.com/d1ef986b1
[22:08] <crimsun> grindhold: ok. how comfortable are you reading network traces? (tcpdump/tshark output)
[22:08] <crimsun> (or wireshark if you prefer a gui)
[22:09] <grindhold> i would use wireshark if i were able to download it. i may try. i know the main protocols, but i am not really able to interpret the hexdump
[22:12] <crimsun> ok, let's go another level higher. anything suspicious in /var/lib/apt/lists/ ?
[22:14] <grindhold> define "suspicious". there are files that begin with the names of servers i tried yet. the mainserver, the german mainserver, and intergenia.ubuntu.de further there are the canonical archives, a lock file, and a folder with the name partial. i can not see anything that shouldn|t be there
[22:17] <crimsun> grindhold: ok, this may sound stupid, but does bunzip2 actually work properly? can you confirm with a silly text file?
[22:18] <grindhold> this textfile is supposed to be saved als .bz2, aight?
[22:21] <grindhold> okay.. bunzip2 yourmum.bz2 --> bunzip2: yourmum.bz2 is not a bzip2 file.
[22:21] <grindhold> i think it works right
[22:25] <crimsun> grindhold: sorry, you should bzip2 a text file, then bunzip2 it
[22:25] <grindhold> ahrgs kay :)
[22:26] <grindhold> yes it works
[22:26] <crimsun> oh, whew
[22:26] <grindhold> i the outputfile is the same as the input
[22:26] <crimsun> can you try backing up /var/lib/apt/lists/*, then removing it and rerunning the aptitude update ?
[22:27] <grindhold> i can try.. atm the system is wasted anyway :D
[22:27] <grindhold> just wait a moment
[22:29] <crimsun> i'm actually headed out for dinner, but i will check back in ~3 hours. hopefully you'll have chased it down. =)
[22:29] <grindhold> i hope too
[22:29] <grindhold> thx
[23:24] <hggdh> grindhold, how are things going?
[23:26] <grindhold> hggdh: just reinstalling the whole system
[23:26] <grindhold> i cant find anything else.. its riddiculous
[23:37] <Hobbsee> MTecknology: contentless pong?


[05:41] <sakhi> Mornings
[05:42] <nlsthzn> alo
[06:54] <superfly> morning sakhi, nlsthzn
[06:55] <nlsthzn> Good morning mr. superfly
[07:16] <Kilos> morning superfly  and others
[07:17] <JabberwockyA19> good morning Kilos
[07:17] <Kilos> hi there JabberwockyA19
[07:17] <JabberwockyA19> another extremely hot day in stellenbosch
[07:18] <Kilos> Maaz, koffie asseblief
[07:18] <Maaz> Eish Kilos  Die engelse het tot ons boeretroos oorgeneem. Vra asseblief in engels.
[07:18] <Kilos> it will surely rain soon
[07:18] <Kilos> you guys get lotsa rain
[07:18] <JabberwockyA19> I hope so
[07:19] <superfly> morning Kilos and JabberwockyA19
[07:19] <superfly> Maaz: coffee please
[07:19] <Maaz> superfly: There isn't a pot on
[07:19] <JabberwockyA19> hi superfly
[07:19] <superfly> Maaz: coffee on
[07:19]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[07:19] <Kilos> JabberwockyA19, are you another one thats aircon addicted
[07:19] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[07:19] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[07:20] <superfly> aircon addicted oom Kilos? When it's this hot, you can't work unless the aircon is on
[07:20] <Kilos> temp? superfly
[07:20] <Kilos> oh wait
[07:21] <Kilos> Maaz, weather in capetown
[07:21] <Maaz> Kilos: City not found
[07:21] <Kilos> oh my
[07:21] <nlsthzn> we lost the cape?
[07:21] <nlsthzn> morning uncle Kilos
[07:21] <Kilos> Maaz, weather in cape town south africa
[07:21] <Maaz> Kilos: In Cape Town, South Africa at 9:00 AM SAST on January 27, 2012: 25°C; Humidity: 50%; Wind: SSE at 6 km/h; Conditions: Clear; Sunrise/set: 6:01 AM SAST/7:54 PM SAST; Moonrise/set: 10:00 AM SAST/10:01 PM SAST
[07:21] <Kilos> hiya nlsthzn
[07:22] <superfly> Kilos: my office doesn't actually have aircon, we have a big fan going, and we open the windows
[07:22] <superfly> but it cooks in here because the sun shines directly in here for the first half of the morning... from about 6am to about 9am
[07:22] <Kilos> one needs to teach the bot to accept wrongly phrased questions
[07:22] <JabberwockyA19> Kilos: I am an aircon addict without aircon :-/
[07:22] <Kilos> lol
[07:22] <Kilos> they dont make men like they used to
[07:23] <Kilos> yeah superfly thats only lekker in winter
[07:23] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for superfly and Kilos!
[07:23] <Kilos> Maaz, dankie man
[07:23] <Maaz> Groot plesier my vriend
[07:23] <JabberwockyA19> if it's 18 degrees I will still turn the aircon on
[07:23] <Kilos> wow
[07:23] <Kilos> thats cold
[07:23] <Kilos> you must be sick
[07:24] <JabberwockyA19> been working too much in the dmz ^_^
[07:24] <superfly> Kilos: I don't mind the heat if I don't have to think too much
[07:24] <superfly> but these desk jobs require constant engagement of the brain, and I can't think in that sort of heat
[07:25] <Kilos> ha ha ha the heat affects your brain?
[07:25] <Kilos> whew
[07:25] <superfly> Kilos: we don't all have heads of steel like you :-P
[07:25] <Kilos> you need to do like the idiot rugby fans and put half a watermelon over  your head
[07:26] <Kilos> or try a beanie and just keep dipping it in cold water
[07:27] <superfly> bwahaha, oom Kilos, you crack me up
[07:27] <Kilos> oh superfly try using a fan with a dish of water in from of it
[07:28] <Kilos> cools down lekker
[07:28] <Kilos> even go out and hose down the walls outside as soon as the sun is off them
[07:29] <superfly> Kilos: we're on the 7th floor, it'll be a little difficult to do that
[07:29] <Kilos> oh my, i didnt know that, sorry
[07:30] <Kilos> well then its a fan that will help, and prayers for global warming to go somewhere else
[07:34] <Kilos> bbtn=be back tonight, have a good day all.
[14:45] <kbmonkey> hi
[16:04] <zeref-Lap> hmmm
[16:15] <inetpro> good evening
[16:15] <inetpro> what's wrong zeref-Lap?
[16:51] <zeref-Lap> was stuck on a programming prob
[18:24] <Kilos> evening superfly and ALL you others
[18:25] <Kilos> hi drussell plustwo
[18:26] <drussell> heya Kilos
[18:27] <superfly> Naandsê oom Kilos
[18:28] <Kilos> oh my net splits again
[18:41] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[18:41]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[18:41] <superfly> Maaz: coffee please
[18:41] <Maaz> superfly: Okay
[18:42] <Kilos> Maaz, with milk
[18:42] <Maaz> Yay Kilos You aren't one of those skinny guys that needs to drink black coffee to cast a shadow
[18:42] <Kilos> Maaz, and sugar
[18:42] <Maaz> Do something yourself Kilos
[18:42] <Kilos> sigh
[18:45] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and superfly!
[18:45] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[18:45] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[18:49] <Kilos> drussell, where are you? in the states?
[18:49] <drussell> Kilos: England
[18:49] <Kilos> oh
[18:50] <Kilos> shame that cold wet place\
[18:50] <Kilos> you guys use aircon to warm up hey?
[18:52] <drussell> Kilos: hehehehe I have a log burning stove ;o)
[18:52] <Kilos> haha
[18:54] <drussell> Kilos: http://ubuntuone.com/5wMbmGrlykASgbKw9NFllZ
[18:55] <Kilos> drussell, is that link gonna eat data
[18:58]  * Kerbero is terug in nederland
[18:58] <drussell> Kilos: it's just a small photo of the stove
[18:58] <Kilos> naand Kerbero
[18:58] <drussell> Kilos: hmm maybe not so small 2.4MB
[18:58]  * Kerbero dink hy moet ook 'n foto neem van die oond/kagel waarvoor hy sit
[18:59] <Kerbero> maar nou is die netwerk na my server dood
[18:59] <Kilos> eish drussell im stretching to make 1m a day
[18:59] <bakuman> :(
[18:59] <Kilos> i will save the link and go see some time
[18:59] <bakuman> hi oom Kilos
[18:59] <Kilos> lo bakuman
[19:00] <Kilos> tell me something about ubuntuone, if i go there with my pc can i give someone else permission to put stuff there?
[19:01]  * bakuman only used Dropbox
[19:01] <Kilos> where is dropbox
[19:02] <bakuman> how do oyu mean where?
[19:02] <bakuman> www.dropbox.com
[19:02] <Kilos> inna sky or on your pc?
[19:02] <Kilos> ah
[19:03] <bakuman> sky + pc
[19:03] <Kilos> isnt that same as ubuntuone
[19:03] <Kilos> i have never tried it but see its part of maverick
[19:04] <Kilos> also another question, can a windows pc user use ubuntuone?
[19:04] <bakuman> sounds about the same, but havent used it. I know Dropbox works easily cross platform, you can share some folders with other people
[19:04] <superfly> Kilos: yes, UbuntuOne has a Windows client
[19:05] <Kilos> was thinking of getting tara to store all her stuff up there, is that wise?
[19:06] <bakuman> depends what "all her stuff is", there is a limit ons space
[19:06] <Kilos> oh on ubuntu one as well?
[19:07] <Kilos> she has many gigs of stuff
[19:07] <Kilos> hehe
[19:07] <Kilos> mainly music and music vids i think
[19:08] <Kilos> oh and software thats installed in her pc but loses everytime winsucks crashes
[19:13] <inetpro> good evening
[19:13] <Kilos> lo inetpro
[19:17] <Kilos> ty superfly do you know the size one can use?
[19:18] <superfly> Kilos: on dropbox?
[19:18] <Kilos> no ubuntuone superfly
[19:18] <superfly> oh, no.
[19:18] <inetpro> You get 5GB for free! Add more storage to suit your needs.
[19:18] <Kilos> ah ty
[19:20] <inetpro> + 20 GB $2.99 / month or $29.99 / year
[19:23] <Kilos> better to save on dvd's then
[19:25] <Kilos> ty guys. i go crash now
[19:25] <Kilos> sleep tight all
[19:25] <inetpro> night Kilos
[19:34] <Kerbero> is dropbox nie goedkoper nie?
[19:40] <superfly> Kerbero: in raw monetary terms, no
[19:40] <Kerbero> ok
[19:40] <superfly> UbuntuOne is $30/year, whereas DropBox is $100/year
[19:40] <Kerbero> ahh
[19:40] <superfly> however, UbuntuOne is only 20GB and DropBox is 50GB
[20:00] <superfly> Maaz: 20 / 30
[20:00] <superfly> Maaz: 20/30
[20:00] <Maaz> superfly: 0.666666666667
[20:00] <superfly> Maaz: 50/100
[20:00] <Maaz> superfly: 0.666666666667
[20:00] <superfly> Maaz seems to be a little slow tonight
[20:00] <Maaz> superfly: 0.5
[20:01] <Maaz> superfly: Excuse me?
[20:01] <Tonberry> maaz pi*e
[20:01] <Maaz> Tonberry: 8.53973422267
[20:01] <superfly> er, other way round, I think
[20:01] <Tonberry> o0
[20:01] <superfly> Maaz: 30/20
[20:01] <Maaz> superfly: 1.5
[20:01] <superfly> Maaz: 100/50
[20:01] <Maaz> superfly: 2.0
[20:02] <superfly> Kerbero: there you have it... DropBox is $2/GB and UbuntuOne is $1.50/GB
[20:02] <Tonberry> maaz 10!
[20:02] <Maaz> Tonberry: 10
[20:02] <superfly> Maaz: !10
[20:02] <Maaz> superfly: What?
[20:02] <superfly> Maaz: 10^3
[20:02] <Maaz> superfly: 9
[20:02] <superfly> uh, OK
[20:02] <Tonberry> lol
[20:02] <superfly> Maaz: 2^4
[20:02] <Maaz> superfly: 6
[20:03] <Tonberry> dont some languages have xor=^ ?
[20:04] <Tonberry> nope
[20:04] <Tonberry> wait
[20:04] <Tonberry> calculator was in hex
[20:04] <Tonberry> its an xor
[20:25] <zeref> o0o0


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[04:28] <cephalex> Hi, I'm trying to use an ancient language in ubuntu but unfortunately it seems the language is not listed in text entry as input language. Do you have any idea about how can I edit a current language and save it as the ancient language that I want ?
[04:33] <JanC> cephalex: "Text Entry" is about keyboard layouts
[04:33] <cephalex> yep
[04:33] <cephalex> and I dont know how to add a new keyboard layout which is not listed
[04:34] <JanC> right, I was wondering because keyboard layouts aren't (always) linked to languages
[04:35] <JanC> and they are mostly country-specific and not language specific
[04:37] <JanC> so I assume you need a keyboard layout for a new script
[04:38] <cephalex> thats true its Manichean script *, the language or script belongs to an old region and also religion which is not existing anymore ( Might have few followers in China).
[04:39] <JanC> I know the data used to create keyboard layouts is in /usr/share/X11/xkb/ and you probably want to search for documentation about XKB
[04:40] <cephalex> I see, thanks in advance. I needed a kind of keyword to search about it
[04:40] <JanC> alternatively, you could look into creating an ibus input method
[04:40] <JanC> especially if this language has lots of characters like Chinese has
[04:42] <JanC> seems like there aren't that many
[04:42] <cephalex> actually it is not an asian language, its an Indo-European language which was spoken and written in Iran like 1500 years ago, it has only 44 characters
[04:49] <JanC> maybe the people at SIL can also help you; they have experience with making it possible to use "unknown" languages & scripts (although for non-extinct ones)
[04:55] <cephalex> where is SIL ? how can I reach them ?
[05:00] <JanC> sil.org
[05:01] <JanC> seems like they use Keyman/KMFL for text entry, which seems to be supported by SCIM/iBus input methods
[05:10] <JanC> cephalex: according to https://github.com/ibus/ibus/wiki there should be a #ibus channel here on Freenode
[05:11] <cephalex> Thanks in Advance dear JanC
[05:11] <JanC> they can probably tell you if it makes sense to use that or something else
[05:16] <JanC> also: http://linux.lsdev.sil.org/wiki/index.php?title=Installing_KMFL_on_Ubuntu
[08:06] <Laney> moin
[08:09] <seb128> hey Laney, happy friday!
[08:15] <Laney> hey seb128
[08:15] <Laney> same to you!
[08:15] <Laney> how are you?
[08:15] <seb128> good! sunny friday :-)
[08:16] <seb128> just had coffee outside to start the day
[08:16] <seb128> how are you?
[08:18] <willcooke> o/
[08:19] <Laney> it's CLOUDY!
[08:21] <seb128> hey willcooke! did you recover from UOS? ;-)
[08:21] <willcooke> *yawn* not quite
[08:21] <willcooke> I think I'm going to swap some hours today
[08:21] <willcooke> be fresh for next week
[08:22] <seb128> that makes sense
[08:22] <seb128> btw you were right
[08:22] <willcooke> I was??  That doesnt sound like me
[08:22] <seb128> update-notifier logic to open update-manager after a week is buggy
[08:22] <willcooke> ah
[08:22] <seb128> it never worked correctly
[08:22] <seb128> and is not going to open it anymore in xenial
[08:22] <willcooke> hehe "how did this EVER work?!"
[08:23] <willcooke> oh, thats bad
[08:23] <seb128> it worked because we were not autoinstalling security updates
[08:23] <seb128> and opening the Ui after 1 day for those
[08:23] <willcooke> ahhhh
[08:23] <seb128> now we open on normal updates
[08:23] <seb128> which is 7 days
[08:23] <seb128> which conflicts with logrotate
[08:23] <seb128> the code looks at how old are the logs
[08:23] <willcooke> can we make it 6 days instead>?
[08:23] <seb128> and they are rotated weekly
[08:23] <seb128> yes
[08:23] <seb128> or we could make it ignore the logs age
[08:24] <seb128> it has a stored value on when update-manager was last open
[08:24] <seb128> unsure why mvo added the log logique
[08:24] <willcooke> oki, sounds like we have options then.  Let's see what mvo says and make a call then?
[08:24] <seb128> +1
[08:24] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[08:25] <seb128> btw it's bug #356152
[08:25] <seb128> 6 digits bug!
[08:25] <willcooke> ha
[08:25] <seb128> mvo fixed the logrotate case
[08:25] <willcooke> logged by silbs
[08:25] <seb128> except he didn't
[08:25] <seb128> he made it ignore empty logs
[08:25] <seb128> so e.g dpkg.log is empty when just rotate
[08:26] <seb128> but dpkg.log.1 ctime is the rotation time
[08:26] <seb128> which means the fix wasn't enough
[08:26] <seb128> but I guess we never really hit the issue because we had frequent security updates and opening daily for those
[08:26] <seb128> so yeah, waiting for mvo
[08:26] <seb128> we could just consider the previous u-m use, or we could look at log but their mtime and not their ctime
[08:27] <seb128> that would fix it, the rotated log wouldn't have the rotation timestamp but the last edit one
[08:29] <willcooke> sounds full of edge cases to me :)
[08:29] <willcooke> but storing a value somewhere also sucks
[08:29] <willcooke> coin toss
[08:29] <seb128> well, we have the value atm
[08:29] <seb128> in gsettings
[08:30] <willcooke> ah, kk
[08:30] <seb128> $ gsettings get com.ubuntu.update-manager launch-time
[08:30] <willcooke> so if that value doesnt exist or is > 6 days old then run
[08:30] <willcooke> ?
[08:31] <seb128> the code just do "if MAX(launch-time, log-date) > current-1week; then start"
[08:31] <seb128> or rather <
[08:32] <seb128> e.g it looks at the most recent event between logs date and previous start and check if that's more than a week old
[08:32] <seb128> which is never because of the logrotate
[08:32] <seb128> I'm going to read the bug I pointed again
[08:32] <willcooke> got it, and that would handle a fresh install where nothing had ever been run?
[08:32] <seb128> it has quite some text to read
[08:32] <willcooke> yeah, and it goes off in to the weeds with people absuing each other
[08:33] <seb128> I don't fully understand the log logic
[08:33] <seb128> I think it's to not start it if you manually used apt
[08:33] <seb128> which makes sense
[08:33] <willcooke> hummmmmmmmm - I /think/ I disagree
[08:33] <willcooke> like:
[08:33] <seb128> you don't want to annoy synaptic/command line users prompting them with a graphical tool
[08:34] <willcooke> I always use apt to install things, but I usually rely on update notifier
[08:34] <seb128> it's tricky
[08:34] <seb128> you could also dist-upgrade manually every 3 days
[08:34] <seb128> and be annoyed by u-m prompting you
[08:35] <willcooke> but it would only prompt if there were actual updates right?  So in the case of a frequent updater there might not be updates to install?
[08:35] <willcooke> and so they wouldnt get prompted?
[08:35] <seb128> though I guess if you are that kind of users you could change the config or the update-notifier "days before notifying"
[08:35] <willcooke> true
[08:36] <seb128> it would prompt for updates yes
[08:36] <seb128> but not with the 7 days delay
[08:36] <willcooke> oki, well - anyway, sorry to drag this down to nitty details, we can work it out once we know the logic mvo was implementing
[08:36] <seb128> like you log in, apt index refresh, and you would directly get it opening because you didn't use the UI for more than 7 days
[08:37] <seb128> but yeah, the bug has some arguments around those lines
[08:37] <seb128> "if you install/remove a software it resets the updater delay"
[08:37] <seb128> I think the current behaviour is too smart and that makes it confusing
[08:37] <seb128> we better open it weekly if there is an update
[08:38] <seb128> and if you don't like it just change the config to be like annual or never
[08:38] <willcooke> +1
[08:39] <seb128> k, let's check with mvo when he's around and then go for that if he has no objection
[08:39] <seb128> thanks for pointing the issue out!
[08:39] <willcooke> perfect, thanks seb128
[08:39] <seb128> yw
[08:39] <willcooke> now, seb128, how do you feel about looking at a u-s-d patch?
[08:39] <willcooke> :)
[08:40] <seb128> willcooke, is that the touchpad timeout hack from the oem team?
[08:40] <willcooke> seb128, exactly
[08:41] <seb128> I replied  the other day saying that their patch looks like an hack and I don't like it/would prefer if they opened an upstream bug/discussed upstream what a proper solution would be
[08:41] <willcooke> does look a bit hacky doesnt it
[08:41] <seb128> but that I wouldn't stop them from landing it if they wanted
[08:41] <seb128> like I can see how the hack is desirable/fix the problem now
[08:42] <willcooke> if (!strcmp(priv->main_touchscreen_name, g_strdup (device_info[i].name)))
[08:42] <willcooke> makes me sad
[08:42] <seb128> but I would prefer if they were engaged into finding a proper solution as well, which might let us replace the hack later on
[08:42] <seb128> for the record it's https://code.launchpad.net/~hui.wang/unity-settings-daemon/unity-settings-daemon-master-touchscreen-fix/+merge/293704
[08:43] <willcooke> looking at the diff
[08:43] <willcooke> there's a darn goto in there
[08:43] <seb128> I think they tried to ping Laney next after I said I was not really wanting to put my name next to the ack on it
[08:43] <seb128> lol, indeed
[08:43] <seb128> +        if (rtime++ < RETRY_TIMES) {
[08:43] <seb128> +                sleep(1); /* sleep 1 second */
[08:43] <seb128> + goto retry;
[08:43] <seb128> quality code!
[08:44] <Laney> as if I'm more likely to approve a hack than you :P
[08:44] <seb128> Laney, :-)
[08:44] <willcooke> urgh
[08:44] <seb128> Laney, note that I didn't redirect them to you, just saw that you got pinged next
[08:44] <willcooke> so it's just going to sit there going round and round until the TS comes back.  And if it doesnt it will loop forever?
[08:44] <Laney> yeah
[08:45] <seb128> no
[08:45] <Laney> + if (!strcmp(priv->main_touchscreen_name, g_strdup (device_info[i].name))) {
[08:45] <seb128> it tries twice
[08:45] <Laney> wwwwwwwwwwwhy
[08:45] <seb128> not for ever
[08:45] <willcooke> seb128, oh yeah
[08:45] <Laney> it'll stop after RETRY_TIMES
[08:45] <willcooke> sleep(1) lol
[08:46] <seb128> "If we let the system call do_touchscreen_mapping() before the reconnectting, the u-s-d will crash."
[08:46] <seb128> says the comment
[08:46] <seb128> which makes me think "right, there is a segfault, let's fix it"
[08:46] <seb128> not "let's have a good sleep and not fix the segfault"
[08:47] <seb128> anyway I don't want to rant, cf what I said earlier, I would prefer them to engage in finding a proper fix
[08:48] <Laney> you should comment on there saying that IMHO
[08:48] <seb128> yeah, doing that now
[08:48] <Laney> new wireless AP just arrived :-D
[08:49] <Laney> maybe i'll be able to work from the garden now
[08:51] <willcooke> Laney, which one did you get?  Can it run openwrt?!
[08:52] <Laney> I got a ubiquiti thing
[10:09] <Sweet5hark1> https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=72e6a1365cb08986b542a5beb797634bca62d85b
[10:10] <Sweet5hark1> ^^ epic way to close a rant in a commit message with "I hate this crap"
[11:03] <Laney> what even is nagios
[11:04] <Laney> Sweet5hark: looks like someone's having fun
[11:06] <Sweet5hark> Laney: ya
[11:22] <andyrock> hey all
[11:50] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: just copied 5.1.3~rc2 for xenial to the ppas ...
[11:51] <Sweet5hark> seb128: ^^ if there is no "arrgh, LIbreOffice killed my kitten" feedback from the PPA, thats the one to SRU when upstream releases final in ~one week.
[11:51] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, alright, I should be able get to it at the weekend
[11:52] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, please get this pushed to yakkety archive too
[11:52] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: no sweat with this, upstream hasnt released yet.
[11:55] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, just saying get these 5.1.x update into yakkety too ;)
[11:56] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: not gonna happen -- as usual yakkety will release with 5.2.x -- we wont be wasting ressources on 5.1/yakkety without very very good reasons.
[12:03] <seb128> Sweet5hark, hey, k, let's see next week if it's ready then ;-)
[12:03] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, I see, I better not answer on that opinion (while an appropriate 5.2 release is like 2 months away)
[12:03] <seb128> hey andyrock!
[12:22] <willcooke> hair_length--;
[12:27] <seb128> worked this time? ;-)
[12:46] <willcooke> finally!
[13:11] <seb128> happyaron, hey, could you have a look to backporting the patch for bug #1574347?
[13:26] <attente> Laney, seb128: i got an email saying that further phasing of gnome-software has been stopped because of possible regressions. does that mean that the package hasn't yet been released to all users?
[13:26] <seb128> attente, correct
[13:26] <seb128> that has link to errors.ubuntu.com issues?
[13:27] <seb128> in which case check those and if they are not regression mention it to bdmurray (I saw that you did that yesterday, is there other ones now?)
[13:28] <attente> there seems to be an increase in the rate for this particular error
[13:28] <attente> (according to the email at least. i can't actually tell through e.u.c)
[13:29] <attente> https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/dc83afe90b31d0984940db9de2ff06b2c6ee8b78
[13:30] <attente> this one seems to have spiked though: https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/71f9f7b2ce32e9d389723076873adffc52b7e0e2
[13:31] <seb128> that one doesn't have a working retracing :-/
[13:33] <seb128> those metrics are often not reliable
[13:33] <seb128> if none of the issues seem like new ones/due to the SRU changes just tell bdmurray to flag is as good
[13:33] <seb128> I don't think they are regression
[13:34] <seb128> the first one looks similar to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1551834
[13:34] <seb128> I doubt it's a regression
[13:34] <seb128> that log journal has
[13:34] <seb128> "mar 01 17:20:30 hostname org.gnome.Software[1010]: (gnome-software:3576): Gs-WARNING **: failed to install filezilla.desktop: Timeout was reached"
[13:34] <seb128> so maybe an issue when a timeout is hit
[13:43] <attente> yeah... i can't figure out why it's happening. it looks like it's trying to upgrade a NULL app, but i can't imagine how that's possible
[13:44] <attente> app=0x2000000000 is really disconcerting
[13:44] <attente> so is plugin=0x0...
[13:45] <seb128> could be memory corruption...
[13:45] <seb128> anyway I don't think those are regressions, we shouldn't block the SRU
[13:56] <seb128> attente, ^
[13:56] <seb128> attente, speaking about SRU, since that one moved to updates do we have a next one lined up?
[13:56] <attente> seb128: i'm not sure it's not a regression... it appeared first back in february, then disappeared until the sru which brought it back
[13:56] <seb128> or a least of issues for the next one
[14:00] <seb128> attente, https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/77807d3502a3e74469d5b5dca0a34e9197c647d6 seems similar?
[14:00] <attente> i'm a bit hesitant to do another sru... we rebased on top of gnome-software 3.20.2, but the delta between 3.20.1 and 3.20.2 is large and there aren't too many changes we made to it yet
[14:00] <attente> (since that sru i mean)
[14:01] <attente> yeah, does look similar
[14:01] <seb128> and that was in the release version
[14:05] <seb128> attente, 3.20.2 ... we are going to want to SRU that though no?
[14:06] <attente> seb128: i'm not sure... it is a big delta
[14:06] <seb128> just means it needs more testing
[14:07] <seb128> but we need to move forward on g-s in the LTS, stalling is not going to work since there are still stability issues and missing features
[14:07] <seb128> and it's not a key component to the system, if we screw it up systems still boot and can still install updates through update-manager
[14:07] <seb128> though not screwing up would be better :-)
[14:07] <Laney> yes we should update to the new upstream
[14:07] <Laney> we would normally do that
[14:08] <Laney> the fact that we are using snapshot doesn't make a difference to that policy
[14:09] <seb128> the question is whether we want that to be the next SRU?
[14:09] <Laney> rather than what?
[14:09] <seb128> or do we want another round of selected changes
[14:09] <seb128> like important ones that would be safer to get through in a week
[14:09] <seb128> where we think the update might need to sit in proposed longer and need some regression-fix-iterations
[14:22] <Laney> attente: is the app getting disposed or something?
[14:23] <attente> Laney: i don't think so. the memory in that TransactionData struct seems to be getting wiped away, but i can't imagine how since it's on the stack
[14:25] <Laney> why do you think that?
[14:31] <seb128> ximion, hey, I just read that bug with "no application data found" ... dholbach had a similar issue yesterday, apt-get update was failing on a repo not having a Release file which made the /var/lib/app-info/yaml/ symlinks to not be created
[14:31] <seb128> ximion, just mentioning it in case the bug you try to debug is a similar one
[14:32] <seb128> Laney, attente, did we end up having a bug filed about that btw? still unsure on what component the report should be, apt? g-s?
[14:32] <ximion> seb128: if a repo is added, the symlinks should not be touched...
[14:32] <ximion> for that particular bug, it looks like there might be conflicting metadata somewhere
[14:32] <seb128> ximion, well, the repo was not added, it was probably there before upgrading to xenial
[14:32] <seb128> also dholbach changed mirror
[14:33] <seb128> he had symlinks for the wrong mirror
[14:33] <seb128> they never picked the new source due to the E:
[14:33] <seb128> like /var/lib/app-info/yaml/ had symlinks to archive.de
[14:33] <seb128> but he was on the archive.us now
[14:33] <seb128> so the symlinks were broken
[14:34] <seb128> and apt-get update wouldn't update them
[14:34] <ximion> yep, that's an issue - I discussed that with Laney yesterday
[14:34] <seb128> k
[14:34] <seb128> do you know if there is a bug open about  it?
[14:34] <ximion> ideally, the broken repos get fixed, because APT doesn't tell us enough information to reliably update the data
[14:34] <seb128> if not I'm going to ask dholbach to file it ... on which component should it be open?
[14:34] <attente> this is new too... https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/111ba23deb7463e9f1203f30099e0c2ca6c2af80?
[14:37] <ximion> seb128: since the original cause is in APT, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1562733 would be the thing
[14:38] <ximion> the other package involved, appstream itself, could only work around this
[14:38] <seb128> attente, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1281949 suggests it's not
[14:39] <seb128> ximion, thanks
[14:42] <flexiondotorg> Is it expected that GTK 3.20 will be added to Yakkety?
[14:42] <flexiondotorg> Just trying to figure out what may or may not be need for MATE in Debian and Ubuntu.
[14:42] <seb128> flexiondotorg, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/1576576
[14:43] <seb128> flexiondotorg, summary "would be nice, but it requires theme updates/rewrite for unity/xfce/..., so depends if we find resources to get that done"
[14:43] <seb128> I wouldn't count on it atm
[14:43] <seb128> but wouldn't rule it out either
[14:48] <Laney> I tried 3.20 the other day
[14:48] <Laney> nautilus stopped drawing the background for some reason
[14:48] <Laney> and everything else was broken
[14:48] <seb128> :-(
[14:49] <Laney> will poke at it next week a bit
[14:49] <seb128> Laney, the nautilus bg issue is likely https://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?id=7f0e1b0c6869eb826e6c20d31c81bd917779db8f
[14:50] <Laney> k
[14:57] <flexiondotorg> Laney, seb128 Migrating to GTK 3.20 is not trivial.
[14:58] <seb128> flexiondotorg, right, that's what the bug I pointed out is about
[14:58] <flexiondotorg> seb128, Yep.
[14:58] <flexiondotorg> So Debian has GTK 3.20 and MATE has GTK 3.20 compatible themes. Which took the team several months to migrate to GTK 3.20.
[14:59] <Laney> They should apply this expertise to light-themes
[14:59] <seb128> do you have anyone who worked on that and would be interested in helping other flavors?
[14:59] <flexiondotorg> Can I drop the MATE 3.18 themes into Yakkety in such a away the Debian sync won't overwrite them?
[15:00] <flexiondotorg> seb128, The MATE team has 2 talented themers. One is a Fedora contributor, so has little interest in work on Debian/Ubuntu.
[15:00] <flexiondotorg> But he did help willcooke out a few weeks ago.
[15:01] <flexiondotorg> The MATE 3.20 themes are now quite widely used by various Fedora spins because they offer complete GTK 3.20 compatibility.
[15:05] <flexiondotorg> Laney, seb128 I'll see what can be done regarding light-themes.
[15:05] <seb128> flexiondotorg, thanks
[15:05] <seb128> that would be very useful
[15:06] <flexiondotorg> The Ubuntu MATE themes are (pretty much) identical to Ambiance and Radiance.
[15:06] <seb128> so we can probably take inspiration of what has been done there
[15:06] <Laney> are they different from the mate-themes?
[15:06] <flexiondotorg> I'm going to see if I can get Ambiant-MATE and Radiant-MATE update for 3.20. If so, merging those changes to light-themes should be trivial.
[15:07] <seb128> great
[15:07] <seb128> brb, restarting to test n-m update
[15:07] <flexiondotorg> Yes, mate-themes are the themes for MATE and are distro agnostic.
[15:08] <flexiondotorg> We maintain several versions for GTK 3.14, 3.16, 3.18 and 3.20. Because distros move at different paces.
[15:09] <willcooke> pitti, I'm noticing that my NFS mounts are not mounting at boot in 16.04.  Do you think this might be a systemd issue, and if so, any pointers as to where I can start looking to find out what's going on?
[15:09] <Laney> turnout:  21.4% (+5.0)
[15:09] <willcooke> also sudo mount -a doesn't work, but sudo mount ~/Videos (for eg.) does work
[15:10] <willcooke> Laney, oof.  Still twice what we had here (but that was PCC only)
[15:13] <seb128> Trevinho, andyrock, buon pomeriggio! is there any unity SRU planned? seems like there is a good batch of fixes from andyrock which got a +1 and would be nice to land those
[15:14] <andyrock> seb128: Trevinho is in charge of that
[15:14] <andyrock> :D
[15:14] <seb128> right
[15:31] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, I want to prepare one ASAP... I wanted to land the terminal fix as well
[15:32] <Trevinho> I've been doing some tests, as the one I have would be quick and fast, but the proper one would need an API break in compiz, so still trying to avoid it
[15:32] <seb128> Trevinho, k, there might be enough to do one without that if it's tricky/going to take longer ... but your call
[15:32] <seb128> Trevinho, what about the bamf/menus  issue?
[15:32] <willcooke> Trevinho, is the missing menus issue any closer to being solved?  I think we should hold on until that's fixed
[15:32] <seb128> Trevinho, did you get a fix? or just a workaround?
[15:32] <Trevinho> seb128: well, that's actually done right now... But I've just to figure out if the one line change is fine or...
[15:32] <seb128> k
[15:33] <Trevinho> willcooke: it seems that the bamf fix is enough for many reporters
[15:33] <Trevinho> willcooke: so, I'll land that anyway... Then we can see if we get more reports
[15:34] <Trevinho> as the racey nature of the bug, causes that even debugging data could cause false-negatives in tests
[15:37] <willcooke> thx
[15:41] <ximion> Laney: if you are bored, could you maybe take a look at why org.kde.kate.desktop is missing from the dep11-generator output?
[15:41] <ximion> see https://github.com/ximion/appstream/issues/39
[15:42] <Laney> I don't have an easy way to do that atm
[15:42] <ximion> at the curent point in time, I also wonder whether it would be possible to change the existing AppStream metadata files in Xenial, rather than xenial-updates post-release. That would be pretty useful for switching to the appstream-generator too
[15:42] <Laney> and no I'm not bored
[15:42] <Laney> and no it is not
[15:42] <Laney> we absolutely cannot re-publish a released suite
[15:42] <ximion> not even exchanging some files on the server?
[15:43] <Laney> no
[15:43] <Laney> that changes the hashes which is a republish
[15:43] <ximion> well, then this might become a bigger issue than I thought
[15:44] <ximion> or maybe not... - since appstream-generator publishes its media files in a directory layout without main/contrib/non-free, keeping the old files might work easily
[15:44] <ximion> so the old data can be kept in xenial without breaking things, while still switching to the new generator
[15:45] <Laney> yes we'll need a way to import and freeze so things referenced in a frozen suite can never be deleted
[15:45] <ximion> or - even easier - one could define a new media directory :P
[15:45] <Laney> that's what we talked about the other day
[15:47] <ximion> protecting package-ids could work... but every bit in asgen would need to check for the list-of-locked-stuff before attempting to delete things
[15:48] <Laney> do you have a database layer to do it at?
[15:49] <Laney> I'll resurrect my local mirror next week hopefully and run kate on that to see what happened there
[16:01] <seb128> k, calling it a week
[16:01] <seb128> have a nice w.e everyone!
[16:03] <Laney> bye seb128!
[16:07] <flexiondotorg> Laney, seb128 It will take some weeks but we gonna have a go at 3.20 support.
[16:09] <Laney> nice!
[16:14] <Laney> pitti: any idea if I can make a conditional (ConditionPathExists=/dev/disk/by-uuid/...) .mount unit mount the thing when the path starts to exist?
[16:14] <Laney> it's for hot-plugging a USB drive and getting it mounted in the right place under /srv
[16:18] <Laney> huh actually this doesn't work even at boot time
[16:27] <Laney> maybe BindsTo= and After= the ....device
[16:29] <Laney> BindsTo is too strong
[16:36] <ximion> Laney: I think adding a final-publish command to asgen which exports all media associated with a specific suite into one directory makes the most sense
[16:37] <ximion> together with marking the frozen suite as untouchable, so the HTML pages and hints don't get updated anymore
[16:37] <Laney> ximion: don't understand
[16:38] <ximion> Laney: before the suite is frozen, you run final-publish on it, copying all media to a new directory dedicated to that suite, and rewriting the MediaBaseUrl to point to that new directory
[16:38] <ximion> then, the generator won't have access to that dir anymore
[16:39] <Laney> what is 'before'?
[16:39] <Laney> that sounds weird
[16:39] <Laney> you have to have someone sitting around babysitting the generator
[16:39] <Laney> at release time
[16:39] <Laney> then publish the suite one more time for that
[16:39] <ximion> jap
[16:39] <Laney> I don't like it
[16:39] <Laney> plus you waste space unless it's made up of hardlinks
[16:40] <ximion> another option would be to split the media directory, but we get huge problems then with deleting old data
[16:40] <ximion> yes, hardlinks would be the thing
[16:41] <ximion> btw, as long as the packages don't get deleted from Xenial, asgen won't touch the xenial suite
[16:41] <ximion> so you already have that guarantee
[16:42] <ximion> if you don't trust the generator on that, I think there is no other way than to move files out of the generator's control
[16:43] <Laney> I trust the generator, but I don't trust myself to not accidentally damage it
[16:43] <Laney> AND the other thing you could gain, as we said the other day, is the ability to reprocess the same thing in another suite
[16:44] <Laney> dep11-generator forget org.kde.kate.desktop -> do the right thing if xenial is frozen
[16:45] <ximion> while I agree that this would be nice, implementing it would be painful - at time, we have a mapping of package -> multiple components, when adding a suite, we would need to reprocess every package again as soon as the suite changes, which is wasteful, or would need to add some additional complexity by adding an optional suite parameter
[16:46]  * Laney shrugs
[16:46] <ximion> if you accidentially delete a package, it shoould simply return with the new processing step
[16:46] <ximion> s/step/run/
[16:46] <Laney> if you want to do no work then just ignore the problem and tell people to avoid touching the frozen suite ever
[16:47] <ximion> exception is screenshots, which might become unavailable
[16:47] <ximion> yeah, that's what I do at time ;-)
[16:47] <ximion> (and what I plan to do for Debian)
[16:48] <Laney> annoying isn't it
[16:48] <Laney> what happens if you enable fonts?
[16:48] <ximion> unless, of course, there is some solution which solves this issue
[16:48] <Laney> then you skew the frozen version
[16:49] <ximion> then fonts will show up in all suites which have packages providing them
[16:49] <ximion> even Xenial, but that won't matter, since the xenial suite is frozen on the server
[16:49] <ximion> so, while the appstream server knows more things then, the xenial users won't see them
[16:51] <ximion> not ideal, I agree
[16:51] <ximion> dropping xenial from the config would mean that all packages and components vanish from the database and media cache
[16:52] <ximion> database isn't an issue, media-cache is, that's why I suggested exporting it
[16:52] <ximion> in theory, we could even do that transparently for every suite until is is marked frozen...
[16:53] <ximion> hmm, that could actually work quite well, at the expense of some inode and creating quite some amount of hardlinks
[16:54] <ximion> I'll think about this more
[16:57] <ximion> Laney: making the generator maintain multiple media pools which derive from one "base-pool" might actually be an easy way out
[16:57] <ximion> that way, as soon as a suite is marked as untouchable, its current state is frozen
[16:57] <Laney> sounds heavy on inodes
[16:57] <Laney> but other than that it probably is okay
[16:57] <ximion> means someone needs to do this post-release, but that's something I consider doable
[16:58] <Laney> you could skip loading Packages files for those suites entirely then
[16:58] <Laney> which probably saves some time
[16:58] <ximion> Laney: did you know that dak internally mirrors the whole Debian archive using hardlinks? ^^
[16:58] <ximion> jup
[16:58] <ximion> it saves time, *and* it makes the DB smaller, as we can drop those packages from the db
[16:59] <ximion> means resurecting an untouchable suite is not a great idea, but that won't happen anyway ^^
[16:59] <Laney> probably call it released rather than frozen
[16:59] <Laney> frozen already means something else
[17:00] <Laney> or immutable or something
[17:01] <ximion> untouchable is the term used by dak
[17:01] <ximion> released is imho not descriptive enough, and frozen is taken by pre-release freeze etc.
[17:02] <Laney> whatever is not "frozen" is ok by me
[17:02] <Laney> and in the end I don't care about the implementation if it gives me my two use cases
[17:02]  * ximion agrees "frozen" is bad
[17:02] <Laney> 1) protection from myself
[17:02] <Laney> 2) ability to reprocess the same package in newer suites
[17:02] <Laney> s/newer/touchable/
[17:03] <Laney> which I think this would do
[17:04] <Laney> like at the most extreme you could fully reprocess sid at any time without fearing the data for stretch (once that is released)
[17:04] <ximion> 1) definitely, 2) too (but less-nice ^^)
[17:05] <ximion> jup, this would be possible :)
[17:05] <Laney> it would be nice right now to be able to test if kate (etc) is fixed
[17:05] <Laney> without having to upload it
[17:05] <Laney> this also becomes easier if I get around to doing a mirrorless generator
[17:06] <ximion> I will likely make this an optional feature, if possible, since e.g. Archlinux won't want this
[17:06] <ximion> Laney: kate is at least fixed in Debian.... :P
[17:07] <ximion> as for download-on-demand: that could be implemented easily in asgen, since there is no direct reference of filenames anywhere, except for display-purposes
[17:07] <Laney> at the expense of leaving your machine on overnight the first time
[17:08] <Laney> man this is weird, my internet is flaking out
[17:08] <Laney> I blame the new n-m
[17:08] <Laney> optional> they just wouldn't use the config flag ever
[17:09] <Laney> overnight> unless it's possible to download the cache and stuff from appstream.distro and just plug that into a local instance
[17:09]  * Laney bets they are not relocatable though
[17:15] <Laney> right, goodnight ximion et al
[17:16] <ximion> gn8! :)
[17:35] <willcooke> night all
[18:17] <pitti> Laney: such a condition will not automatically start it, just prevent starting it if the condition is false; you need to bind the .mount to the corresponding .device


[00:40] <abhort42> Well, i'm trying to install Linux on a computer that has windows xp on it..I have no cdrom and cant boot off usb...and i dont want to use a loopback filesystem...anyway i can install linux on here?
[00:40] <abhort42> PXE is out of the question as well
[00:48] <Unit193> Well, the methods to install are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation#Installation_without_a_CD  (or http://www.instantfundas.com/2007/08/install-any-linux-distro-directly-from.html but oh well)
[00:48] <Unit193> abhort42: You got a floppy drive and a floppy?  :P
[00:49] <abhort42> nope, no floppys
[00:50] <abhort42> just a computer with a net connection, thats all...and flash drives
[00:51] <abhort42> i was contemplating PXE but all i got is wireless, no ethernet cable...sigh..
[00:51] <abhort42> i almost used wubi but i just dont want a loopback install
[02:46] <csc`> How easy is it to setup dual monitors with lubuntu 12.10?
[02:47] <csc`> mostly plug and play or is it a more advanced matter such as xinerama?
[02:50] <phillw> csc`: the default Menu --> Preferences ->> Monitor Settings
[02:50] <phillw> should see the additional monitor if it is connected up and powered on before you turn the computer on.
[02:51] <csc`> phillw, so its basically a matter of a few clicks really
[02:51] <csc`> cool beans
[02:51] <phillw> csc`: ona good day, yes.. on a bad day, it needs more work... always go for a good day :)
[02:52] <csc`> phillw, well its a boat anchor dell. Also pretty bummed lubuntu of all flavors is forcing PAE
[02:52] <csc`> lucky for me i have a pentium M which doesnt complain about the pae kernel being forced.
[02:55] <phillw> csc`: have a look at http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=84 and then note the date of the post.... Or, put another way... lubuntu can support dual screen :D
[02:56] <phillw> csc`: we now have lxrandr installed as default :)
[13:08] <newbie|8> hia
[13:08] <newbie|8> hi
[13:08] <newbie|8> when I install Lubuntu I can not change the resolution. Is this normal?
[13:42] <cerebrate> archive manager closed unexpectedly
[13:43] <cerebrate> successful unpacking when not unpacking to desktop
[18:51] <doppelganger_> I've edited the file /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart to run hamachi on startup
[18:51] <doppelganger_><EMAIL_ADDRESS>start"
[18:51] <doppelganger_> I've added this line to the file
[18:52] <doppelganger_> But it's not working yet.
[18:52] <doppelganger_> What am i  doing wrong?
[18:54] <doppelganger_> Doesn't this "autostart" file run files as superuser?
[18:54] <doppelganger_> How do I do that?
[18:55] <Unit193> No, it runs as the logging in user, as long as you select the Lubuntu session.
[19:05] <doppelganger_> Will try /etc/rc.local. If i don't come back it either worked or i've exploded my pc in anger.
[19:05] <doppelganger_> []'s
[19:10] <doppelganger_> didn't work
[19:10] <doppelganger_> What do I do to run "sudo /etc/init.d/logmein-hamachi start" on startup?
[19:14] <Unit193> sudo crontab -e  and put @reboot sudo /etc/init.d/logmein-hamachi start   or you could actually have the daemon set to run on startup....
[19:15] <Unit193> !init
[21:26] <Silverlion> hey there... any "Team-Leader" in here?
[21:27] <Silverlion> there might be a problem with one update server
[22:05] <wxl> finally upgraded to 12.04 and now i have a few oversized menu icons
[22:05] <wxl> amsynth, for example, is insanely huge
[22:07] <wxl> 12.10 sorry :)


[01:51] <marktangowaltz> I am needing assistance with using ubuntu 7.04 as a file server for my two Mac G4's
[10:56] <m12> hi all
[10:57] <m12> i need to enable TUN/TAP with modconf but i dont know how to install it
[11:48] <soren> m12: For hat?
[11:49] <soren> m12: er... for what?
[11:57] <m12> for hotspot
[11:59] <m12> when i do modconf, it dont list TUN under KERNEL/DRIVERS/NET/...
[12:02] <soren> the module is already there.
[12:02] <soren> Just add it to /etc/modules
[12:06] <m12> sudo modprobe tun ?
[12:12] <soren> m12: Just tun
[12:12] <soren> m12: Look in the file. It should all make sense then.
[12:12] <m12> i have restarted server and lost connection to it :(
[12:13] <m12> cant get to it for 1h or more :/
[12:13] <soren> Well, loading tun will not do that. You must have done something else.
[12:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> could i build feisty+gutsy chroots using debian etch? (anyone here tried it?)
[12:15] <m12> will load it for 1h then i check, tnx for help soren :)
[12:16] <soren> Kamping_Kaiser: That shouldn't be a problem.
[12:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> soren, i know older versions of both systems (sarge and dapper) cant build 'forward' does etch do something special?
[12:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> s/etch/debootstrap
[12:47] <soren> Kamping_Kaiser: You can just grab the debootstrap package from gutsy, install it and use that.
[12:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> sounds bad. i'll try it out Some Time
[12:55] <kraut> moin
[12:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[01:39] <soren> Kamping_Kaiser: No, it's really no problem.
[01:40] <soren> Kamping_Kaiser: The difference between the one in Etch and the one in Gutsy is just gutsy and feisty install scripts, iirc.
[02:30] <disposable> i followed a chapter in a book "SAMBA by example" to set up a simple anonymous server. my smb.conf is at http://pastebin.com/d64b6c38 The problem is, i am now getting cca 800KBps-2MBps throughput with samba on a 100Mbit network. It's definitely not a network problem, because NFS runs at 10-11MBps. Can somebody tell me which options i need to put in?
[02:39] <mikubuntu> well, i'm sorry i din't find this room b4 i stayed up all nite and going crosseyed already, *but* i'll be back when everybodys a little more chatty and i can see and/or think straight.   arrrrrgggghhhhhh. nite guys.


[17:52] <Haris_> hello all
[17:52] <Haris_> I have a python script with import requests in it. I installed python and python3.9. and I installed pip and pip3. and I installed the module requests. but when I run my script it still complains that module requests doesn't exist
[17:52] <Haris_> this is ubuntu focal
[17:53] <Haris_> ..I installed the mod request with pip and pip3..
[17:54] <Haris_> hello?
[17:57] <JanC> why not just install the 'python3-requests' package with APT?
[18:00] <JanC> about not finding it, it really all depends on how & where you installed it with pip, and how & where you run the script...
[18:49] <Haris_> where is cron log on focal
[19:23] <Haris_> done for cron log. please ignore


 Haven't uploaded yet
 Will upload on 2nd Jan
[01:26] <wxl> well, you landed it, no?
 Yeah.
 Couldn't run dput
[01:53] <wxl> so if you had arcanist set up, i'm not sure how it landed it as something else
[01:55] <The_LoudSpeaker> No idea. Before this, i had the same set up. But if you or anyone else landed the diff. It would come as<EMAIL_ADDRESS> I think it is git settings issue.
[01:56] <wxl> yeah that's possible
 Specifically git email.
[01:56] <wxl> i certainly have a .gitconfig
[01:57] <wxl> 2B of the packaging requirements cover it
[01:58] <The_LoudSpeaker> I did do a got config and set username and user email. I remember it coz it asked me when I am was trying to update globalkeys the day before and committed changes locally
[01:58] <The_LoudSpeaker> *git config
[01:58] <The_LoudSpeaker> **i was
[02:00] <wxl> maybe you had it set up as a different user? you should go double check. that seems highly likely.
[02:00] <The_LoudSpeaker> Sure.
[02:00] <wxl> also check $EMAIL
[07:03] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker https://store.kde.org/p/1323348/ seems neat but like a lot of other themes, seems to be unlicensed. i think we should just do our own theme for sddm.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Couldn't run dput], Looked more like your gpg was not set up properly
 @RikMills [Looked more like your gpg was not set up properly], Yup! That was the reason for dput and debuild errors. But i dont understand how the author got changed.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Yup! That was the reason for dput and debuild errors. But i dont understand how …], Check the changelog
 DEBEMAIL env var
 @tsimonq2 [DEBEMAIL env var], Yup! I missed that probably.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Yup! That was the reason for dput and debuild errors. But i dont understand how …], The email used in the git commit message doesn't matter. It is what is in the debian/changelog trailer that matters! … The error you got was saying gpg could not sind the sectret key for your lubuntu.me address
 ^^^
 That'll do it
 Yep
 @RikMills [The email used in the git commit message doesn't matter. It is what is in the de …], Yeah. I understand the reason for debuild error. I don't understand why the commit https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMETAd5fbbc481817 has the author as<EMAIL_ADDRESS>The changelog has the correct email id and name.
 ^ Check on the commit here.
 `git config --global user.name "Raman Sarda"`
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Yeah. I understand the reason for debuild error. I don't understand why the comm …], That is odd, but doesn't stop you uploading
 `git config --global user.email<EMAIL_ADDRESS> @RikMills [That is odd, but doesn't stop you uploading], ^
 @tsimonq2 [git config --global user.email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>I probably did that.  It flags flavor as a spelling error. Great!
[07:31] <wxl> change the locale and let's seee if it still stick :)
 @wxl [<wxl> change the locale and let's seee if it still stick :)], Sounds like you need the spell checker in irssi...
[07:32]  * wxl points at the cat of nine tails
[07:33] <wxl> so i can get VLC to show up three times in Discover. twice for Firefox, but one of them doesn't have an icon. so that's fun.
 @lubuntu_bot [*wxl: points at the cat of nine tails*], Your dog grew nine tails?
 Your what hurts?
[07:34] <wxl> your brain, i think
[07:34] <wxl> isn't it past your bed time? XD
 It's past my sane brain time
[07:34] <wxl> uhhhhh, yup, i win
 Sleep is for the weak
 Want a sip of my Monster?
 I've switched from Red Bull
[07:35] <wxl> no, i prefer getting cancer from campfires, thank you very much
[07:36] <wxl> our local kombucha/jun maker just came out with a mate with green coffee bean— woo hah!
 You're close enough to California to get cancer from most things
 (get it? cause they label everything?)
[07:37] <wxl> they sure do. including, um, salted fish.
 HA
 @wxl [<wxl> so i can get VLC to show up three times in Discover. twice for Firefox, bu …], At least one of them is a snap.
 another is flatpak, and the least one should be the deb package?
 Yes, one would be the deb package but you would only get the flatpak recommendation if you add the flathub repo.
 were you wanting to have software-properties-qt styled with Breeze?
 @tsimonq2 wxl ^^
 or anyone else
[11:46] <kc2bez> We have our default Qt theme set to Breeze.
 @RikMills [were you wanting to have software-properties-qt styled with Breeze?], Don't get your question
 But since it needs to be run with sudo privileges, it use root definitions right?
 @HMollerCl [But since it needs to be run with sudo privileges, it use root definitions right …], Yes, unless you override them in the Exec line in the desktop file.
 ```Exec env QT_STYLE_OVERRIDE=Breeze software-properties-qt```
 I want to get the kubuntu one to launch with that, or get python to set the envar
 So I am asking if it makes sense to do a global change, or if Lubuntu wants to keep the FUGLY 'fusion' styled one
 @RikMills [So I am asking if it makes sense to do a global change, or if Lubuntu wants to k …], I prefer your breeze option, @tsimonq2 wxl?
 (Photo, 1280x432) https://i.imgur.com/bN7IxnZ.jpg
 however, there's not much change...
 those icons are the ones used in kde?
 No, it seems not as nice a change in Lubuntu
 (Photo, 741x470) https://i.imgur.com/Z8dDM36.jpg
[12:31] <kc2bez> FWIW I support your global change @RikMills
 I'll investigate if there is a way to improve the lubuntu appearance then
 the thing is that our system trys to use breeze icon themes, and we don't have those, so it fallas back to oxygen
 however, part of me thinks that it is not a bad idea to have a different aspect for apps run with sudo privileges, as a visual reminder to be carefull.
 @RikMills [Exec env QT_STYLE_OVERRIDE=Breeze software-properties-qt], This seems better. But also since that the theme changes right now, it reminds the user that they are using root and need to be careful. Imo.
 That is a quite lunatic rationale
 That's the reason we don't have same themes for root and user sessions of file manager.
 Still bonkers
 🤷🏻♂
 You really need a warning such as thunar gives
 (Photo, 885x637) https://i.imgur.com/ySUsNrD.jpg
 Expecting users to know what a misthemed window means, is not sensible. Especially for those who might need to know the most.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [That's the reason we don't have same themes for root and user sessions of file m …], I wouldn't say that's the reason, /me haven't look much at it because of that. I agree with rick that the warning is better.
 (Photo, 1115x767) https://i.imgur.com/ngzNB4R.jpg Really? … We have a warning at the bottom of the window.
 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 Wow *slow clap*
 Wow. Quite a poor warning
 Anyway, point still stands. Having rubbish theming is not the way to warn people. Most new or intermediate users would probably not even know why it was bad.
 @RikMills [Anyway, point still stands. Having rubbish theming is not the way to warn people …], agree
 @kc2bez [<reply to image>], but that doesn't happen in featherpad, for example.
 wow!! it happens now
 but after moving the mouse disappear...


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[03:01] <Andrew> Hello?
[03:02] <Andrew_> Hello?
[03:03] <aidian> hello
[03:10] <Andrew> Hi.
[03:10] <Andrew> Is there a meeting going on?
[03:11] <DonkeyHotei> i did not see one tonight, but i got the notification for it on my phone
[03:11] <Andrew> Oooh
[03:11] <Andrew> I think the meetings are every OTHER week now.
[03:11] <DonkeyHotei> have been for some time
[03:11] <Andrew> And I didn't change my calendar.
[03:12] <Andrew> Okay.
[03:12] <Andrew> Cheers, then.
[03:24] <aidian> hey, if anyone is in the sacramento area, the linux users group of davis has been putting up a FOSS/Linux booth at the local farmer's market
[03:25] <aidian> we have one coming up in february on a saturday, and we're always looking for help staffing the booth, literature to hand out, etc
[03:34] <aidian> would be nice to have someone representing ubuntu