[03:04] <gdeeble> Curiosity, I know that having software raid causes GRUB issues, that you have to repoint GRUB to the proper location, but does having the bios on an older desktop cause the same issue? Like I have 2 250gb drives that I want to run as a RAID1 for my server OS partition so I have that redundant, but want to check before starting into that project seeing everything is working and this would
[03:04] <gdeeble> be an upgrade.
[03:05] <patdk-lap> heh?
[03:05] <patdk-lap> since when does raid cause grub issues?
[03:05] <gdeeble> I was reading that. Maybe I misunderstood.
[03:05] <TheLordOfTime> where did ya read that?
[03:06] <patdk-lap> if you setup raid, grub should install itself on all raid disks to boot
[03:06] <patdk-lap> so that if one is missing, it can boot from the other
[03:06] <SpamapS> yeah
[03:06] <patdk-lap> in order for that to work though, will depend on how your bios failsover from disk to disk to boot
[03:07] <gdeeble> I was looking at the zentyal setup guide, when I was googling. Apparently, I need to go back and re-read it. LOL.
[03:07] <gdeeble> I was going to run as RAID1 for boot/os, which should be a mirror image, meaning it should boot even if degraded due to 1 drive failure. Is this not right?
[03:08] <SpamapS> gdeeble: that is right
[03:08] <SpamapS> gdeeble: the point is, grub will just install itself onto both drives
[03:08] <SpamapS> so there's no issue with repointing
[03:08] <SpamapS> gdeeble: you're installing onto this software raid and building it during the installer, right?
[03:09] <gdeeble> What I want to do, is allow the bios to raid the 2 drives then install the OS.
[03:10] <patdk-lap> you want to use bios raid?
[03:10] <gdeeble> This is the first time I'm working with any raids with linux, as I know on my desktop running windows, I just set it up in the bios and mounted the drive and it showed as 1.
[03:10] <patdk-lap> then your stuck using dmraid
[03:10] <patdk-lap> I would recommend not using a raid option in the bios, and use mdadm
[03:11] <gdeeble> Wouldn't software raid use more processing power from the proc, than using bios?
[03:11] <gdeeble> or are they the same
[03:13] <patdk-lap> both are software raid
[03:13] <patdk-lap> the bios is not hardware raid
[03:13] <gdeeble> Interesting, didn't know that.
[03:13] <gdeeble> I always assumed(yes bad) that if handled by the bios, it would show as 1 drive to any other software.
[03:14] <patdk-lap> only if by bios you mean, add in raid card, and not the motherboard bios
[03:14] <patdk-lap> you have 3 different raids currently
[03:14] <patdk-lap> hardware raid, fakeraid, and softraid
[03:14] <patdk-lap> fakeraid is what bios raid is
[03:14] <gdeeble> fakeraid = bios
[03:14] <gdeeble> Ok.
[03:14] <patdk-lap> it's software raid + bios boot helper stuff
[03:15] <gdeeble> It's not any better than just a standard software raid then, correct?
[03:15] <patdk-lap> nope
[03:15] <patdk-lap> well, it can be
[03:15] <patdk-lap> but only in the case of, a disk failure
[03:15] <patdk-lap> and then, it's still iffy if it's any better
[03:16] <patdk-lap> the worst thing that can happen for pure softraid is if a disk fails, but doesn't completely fail
[03:16] <patdk-lap> so the bios still attempts to boot it
[03:16] <patdk-lap> but I believe that is also going cause fakeraid the same issues
[03:18] <p7ank5te7> Sorry, dropped connection.
[03:19] <p7ank5te7> So either way it could turn out bad without a true raid card
[04:50] <paulorodrigues> hello
[04:50] <paulorodrigues> anyone can help me?
[04:50] <paulorodrigues> ls
[04:51] <jotterbot1234> hey mate
[04:51] <jotterbot1234> what's up?
[04:51] <paulorodrigues> I am having problems with my ubuntu server
[04:51] <paulorodrigues> after an reboot it doesnt boot anymore
[04:51] <paulorodrigues> I can only boot using a boot cd
[04:52] <paulorodrigues> I triend to install grub, but it dont fix it
[04:52] <jotterbot1234> I would boot using a liveCD like you describe and repair your grub partition
[04:52] <jotterbot1234> hmm
[04:52] <paulorodrigues> yes
[04:52] <paulorodrigues> how can i repair without losing data?
[04:53] <jotterbot1234> Maybe someone else on here can contribute? Have you tried googling "grub restore"? DId you receive any error codes? any feedback at boot?
[04:53] <paulorodrigues> no, it simple ask for a boot device
[04:53] <paulorodrigues> its like i dont have operation system
[04:54] <paulorodrigues> but I can boot with a live CD and the server works well
[04:55] <jotterbot1234> Your hard drive might be dead? Do you have a spare you can try and copy it over to low level. Using dd? and then try and boot from that?
[04:55] <paulorodrigues> but i can access my hard drive
[04:55] <paulorodrigues> with the boot cd
[04:57] <paulorodrigues> i have 2 disk in raid with the operation system
[05:02] <Laogeodritt> Has anyone used darkstat before? Know if it's possible to get stats on a per-port basis for all hosts? (If not, any suggestions for packages that can do that?) I'd like to track the traffic and data transfer for different services running on my server
[09:49] <JHofmann> hi
[09:50] <JHofmann> apt-get error mkinitramfs... anyone experience?
[09:52] <zetheroo> when configuring 2 identical drives as RAID1 do I have to set one of them to be bootable - or is it enough to make the ext partition on the RAID1 bootable ?
[09:54] <JHofmann> server is installed on vmware vsphere 5 server.... "df -H"  -> /boot is 11% used
[09:57] <JHofmann> here is screenshot : http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/6595/errored.jpg
[09:58] <JHofmann> what can be the reason of this error? anyone have an idea?
[10:47] <giaco> hello
[10:48] <giaco> I need help: struggling with tomcat6 on Quantal. I'm having difficulties in running tomcat6 over java6 instead of java7
[10:49] <giaco> should I forward the question to a tomcat channel?
[10:55] <jamespage> giaco, are you using the tomcat6 packages from ubuntu? or an upstream tarball?
[10:55] <giaco> jamespage: tomcat6 package from ubuntu
[10:55] <jamespage> giaco, right
[10:55] <jamespage> giaco, what issue are you seeing?
[10:55] <giaco> but nevermind, I've just solved ( from JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk to JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-amd64 )
[10:56] <jamespage> giaco, great!
[10:56] <jamespage> the packaging init script should check in know locations for java
[11:19] <koolhead17> jamespage: i found 1 missing line in /etc/swift/container-server.conf
[11:20] <koolhead17> which comes from our cloud repo for folsom
[11:20] <koolhead17> i had to simply run cat >> /etc/swift/container-server.conf << EOF [container-sync] EOF
[11:20] <koolhead17> for the fix
[11:22] <koolhead17> also i don`t understand why swift package by defualt does not allow logging :(
[11:44] <alex88> hi guys, what are the advantages to use lvm?
[11:44] <jamespage> yolanda, any chance you could ack https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/horizon/memcache-fixup/+merge/153109 please
[11:44] <yolanda> ok
[11:49] <yolanda> jamespage, you are fixing cache and email settings also?
[11:50] <jamespage> yolanda, no - I just use slightly different quilt settings to adam who did the last refersh
[11:50] <yolanda> the diff was confusing me
[11:58] <jamespage> yolanda, my ~/.quiltrc - http://paste.ubuntu.com/5610447/
[12:09] <jamespage> yolanda, fyi oslo-config went 1.1.0 today - most projects are bumping pip-requires to >= 1.1.0
[12:09] <jamespage> I've updated raring and backported to the PPA as well - should land ~1hr or so
[12:09] <jamespage> adam_g, ^^ fyi
[12:21] <yolanda> jamespage, do they pushed that changes upstream in some of the projects?
[12:21] <jamespage> yolanda, yes - glance and ceilometer have already bumped
[12:22] <yolanda> i can fix them
[12:22] <yolanda> i'm just going crazy with the ceilometer meterings so a change of topic is good
[12:47] <jamespage> yolanda, you really don't need todo anything
[12:47] <yolanda> i saw it, i was confused because i think we had patched it
[12:53] <jcastro> Daviey: do you know when we're supposed to hear about our talk submissions for ODS?
[12:55] <ivoks> jamespage: you can reproduce this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/maas/+bug/1069570
[12:55] <jamespage> ivoks, yes
[12:55] <ivoks> within kvm?
[12:55] <jamespage> ivoks, yes -  ipxe and the os present differently to the isc dhcp server so they get different IP's
[12:55] <ivoks> i wonder...
[12:56] <ivoks> dhcp server opens both ipv4 and ipv6 udp ports
[12:56] <ivoks> ipv6 dhcp doesn't use mac address for identification
[12:57] <ivoks> could it be that maas dhcpd offers ipv4 address over ipv6 udp (which is possible)
[12:57] <ivoks> and then, once os boots up, it requests ipv4, since it's defined like that within /e/n/interfaces
[12:57] <ivoks> if you can easily reproduce this, could you do me a favor and disable ipv6 on maas server and see if that happens again?
[12:58] <Daviey> jcastro: i do not
[12:58] <jamespage> ivoks, I don't think that is the case
[12:58] <jamespage> ivoks, but I can try
[12:59] <ivoks> jamespage: if it's something you could easily try, that would be awesome, since i'm low on resources right now to try it myself
[12:59] <jcastro> Daviey: any idea who I could ping?
[13:00] <Daviey> jcastro: ttx might know.
[13:00] <Daviey> ivoks / jamespage: ipxe is ipv4 only, no?
[13:00] <jamespage> ivoks, fwiw we have a patched version is isc-dhcp-server we use with vmaas
[13:00] <jamespage> which ignores the uid that ipxe sends
[13:01] <Daviey> well, makes the identifier purely MAC - rather than MAC + client-id
[13:01] <ivoks> jamespage: right, but ipxe should send uuid only when ipv6 pxe booting
[13:02] <ttx> jcastro: depends on the exact track, they started to tell people yesterday, I think
[13:02] <Daviey> ivoks: Are you sure our ipxe supports ipv6?
[13:02] <jamespage> ivoks, ah - right
[13:02] <ivoks> Daviey: yes
[13:02] <ivoks> well, pxe
[13:02] <ivoks> not sure about ipxe :)
[13:03] <Daviey> We did have this doubling up issue due to ipv4/ipv6 with UEC Avahi based registration.  Ended up having to pach out ipv6 support in the registration code.
[13:04] <jcastro> ttx: that's a reasonably good enough answer! So I guess I should find out by EOW.
[13:05] <ivoks> if we can easily test it, it would at least tell us that ipv6 isn't the problem
[13:05] <ttx> jcastro: let me see what I can find -- what was your talk name ?
[13:05] <jcastro> ttx: the juju charm workshop
[13:06] <jcastro> ttx: we had another one too, something like "lessons learned from dogfooding openstack", but I can't remember the exact title.
[13:07] <koolhead17> jcastro: salute
[13:08] <ttx> jcastro: see pm
[13:19] <Daviey> smoser: did you SRU that isc-dhcp checksum patch that seemed to impact xen?  If not, i think we should bite the bullet and carry this client-uid one aswell.
[13:21] <smoser> i did not sru the isc-dhcp, no. i did say i'd follow up on that.
[13:21] <smoser> and its not xen only.
[13:21] <smoser> it was kvm that was reported.
[13:21] <smoser> (virtuio driver)
[13:22] <Daviey> smoser: er, i thought qemu carried support already?
[13:23] <Daviey> smoser: http://git.qemu.org/?p=qemu.git;a=commit;h=1d41b0c .. so surely it's only on xen we are seeing this?
[13:23] <smoser> it was reported on kvm.
[13:24] <smb> Daviey, if that is about udp problem, libvirt installs a mangle rule for iptables
[13:24] <smoser> i think it happens only if you have the virtio kernel module loaded
[13:24] <smoser> which maybe (possibly) does in kernel what that qemu patch would do in user-space
[13:24] <smoser> ?
[13:24] <Daviey> smb: it does NOW, but didn't in earlier versions?
[13:24] <smb> smoser, Daviey  The problem is with all pv network drivers
[13:25] <Daviey> smb: Some of this is cross-distro issues, with RHEL.. With ubuntu as a guest.. So i'm not sure what their libvirt was doing.
[13:25] <smb> Daviey, Not sure when it started, but its there in P at least
[13:28] <smoser> Daviey, i seem to recall that it only occurs if you have the virtio_net driver loaded in the host
[13:28] <smoser> or somethign liek that.
[13:28] <smb> All depends whether "sudo iptables -t mangle -S" shows
[13:28] <smb> -A POSTROUTING -o virbr0 -p udp -m udp --dport 68 -j CHECKSUM --checksum-fill
[13:29] <smb> So people that installed libvirt do not see it
[13:29] <Daviey> Ah!
[13:30] <Daviey> If you use the openstack xen support outside of libivrt, you would see this.
[13:30] <Daviey> (openstack supports direct xen and libivrt xen)
[13:31] <smb> Right
[13:31] <Daviey> smoser: virtio-net can be used by xen, no?
[13:31] <smb> Or people using kvm directly
[13:31] <smb> Daviey, no
[13:31] <smb> Daviey, They have their own pv driver
[13:32] <smb> netback or was it netfront...? one of the two :-P
[13:32] <koolhead17> soren: hello
[13:32] <Daviey> smb: Oh, i thought you could now use qemu's virtio.. ok.
[13:34] <jamespage> adam_g, yolanda: switched the trunk builds for quantum to the the milestone-proposed branch as master is now open for havana
[13:34] <jamespage> Daviey, ttx: ^^ fyi
[13:35] <jamespage> ttx: I'll keep one eye on openstack-dev ML but can you ping me as projects switch over from master for grizzly rc1
[13:38] <Daviey> jamespage: thanks
[13:51] <ttx> jamespage: I'll try to remember to ping you. You can also watch the appearance of a milestone-proposed branch
[14:13] <jamespage> ttx, ta - will do
[14:15] <soren> koolhead17: Ohai.
[14:28] <jamespage> Daviey, can I object to a later version dependency upgrade in cinder? https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1150720
[14:30] <Daviey> jamespage: why aren't we seeing this error?
[14:31] <Daviey> jamespage: Oh, it's only visible with storwize_svc ?
[14:31] <jamespage> Daviey, yep
[14:32] <jamespage> Daviey, its a pita because cinder uses stevedore for extension loading; and if pip-requires is not 100% correct then #ERROR
[14:32] <jamespage> Daviey, I can patch it out if need be and pick a fix for paramiko...
[14:32] <Daviey> jamespage: well, it looks like a 1 line fix
[14:32] <Daviey> jamespage: https://github.com/paramiko/paramiko/commit/f8239015ec427a2b5e62afa8370885894483a356
[14:32] <jamespage> yes
[14:34] <Daviey> jamespage: Seems annoying to bump this late stage, doesn't it
[14:39] <Daviey> dosaboy: Hey, Your nova upload to precise...  i think that the outcome of our discussion a few days ago was to reject.  I have now rejected it, but can be salvaged easily if needed.
[14:40] <jamespage> Daviey, yes - I've raised a task on that bug for Ubuntu explaining the situation.
[14:40] <jamespage> Daviey, phew - paramiko has a test suite
[14:43] <jamespage> Daviey, guh - we would need to SRU that fix
[14:44] <jamespage> it does not qualify for the cloud-archive
[14:44] <Daviey> jamespage: yep, find out what exactly it does.. and see if you feel it meets the SRU criteria
[14:44] <dosaboy> Daviey: sorry got the right channel now ;)
[14:44] <Daviey> dosaboy: hola!
[14:44] <Daviey> dosaboy: Hey, Your nova upload to precise...  i think that the outcome of our discussion a few days ago was to reject.  I have now rejected it, but can be salvaged easily if needed.
[14:44] <dosaboy> howdi
[14:45] <dosaboy> ok so that patch has been applied through a different patch set?
[14:45] <dosaboy> or are we rejecting it outright?
[14:45] <dosaboy> seem to remember another patch set incluing it (possible from adam_g?)
[14:48] <Daviey> bah
[14:48] <streulma> hey, is there a ppa for updated php 5.3 and updated mysql-server ?
[14:50] <Daviey> streulma: not a supported one AFAIK.  So if you find one, check the policy on security updates
[14:51] <streulma> Daviey: in Debian we have Dotdeb, I just run Debian on the server right now, for updates...
[14:51] <streulma> Daviey: but, love Ubuntu :)
[14:51] <Pici> PPAs are provided by the community. We can't ensure that you will be getting security updates in a timely manner.
[14:53] <Daviey> streulma: I'm not entirely sure of dotdeb's security policy.
[14:54] <streulma> Pici: what to have to do to get security updates for mysql and php on Ubuntu Server then ?
[14:55] <Pici> streulma: Nothing. If you are running a supported release then you will be getting security updates.
[14:56] <streulma> Pici: ok, then choose a VPS with Ubuntu Server 12.04 LTS then :)
[15:11] <jamespage> yolanda, w00t - I have a running ceilometer
[15:11] <jamespage> yolanda, spotting a couple of bugs but nothing major
[15:11] <yolanda> nice!
[15:11] <jamespage> (in your charms that is)
[15:11] <yolanda> is that working without stevedore problems?
[15:11] <jamespage> yolanda, it is now that I've got the up-to-date oslo-config package
[15:12] <Daviey> dosaboy: I *think* the situation was.. you upload needed re-basing as it was trumped by a security upload.. And adam_g confirmed that as it was now in stable/essex, a refreshed snapshot would include it.
[15:12] <Daviey> dosaboy: The issue now, is that nobody has created a new set of snapshots.
[15:12] <Daviey> (they need doing quickly really)
[15:12] <yolanda> jamespage, did you notice the "connection lost" problem, after doing the relation between nova and ceilometer? i always have to reboot nova machine to make that work
[15:13] <jamespage> yolanda, I'm not running in canonistack so don;t get that issue
[15:13] <yolanda> and the duplicate nodes?
[15:13] <jamespage> yolanda, I have seen that tho - but I think we already discussed this
[15:14] <yolanda> jamespage, but you told that with latest juju versions it should work, i use juju from lp source, and i have that problem
[15:14] <dosaboy> Daviey: gotcha, let me know if I can help with anything
[15:14] <jamespage> yolanda, I don't see duplicate nodes
[15:20] <yolanda> jamespage, how about if you reboot nova, or stop/start it?
[15:24] <fakhir> Hello. I have a server with a network interface and a virtual network interface. how can I chose to always use the vitrual network interface for outgoing connections?
[15:51] <SpamapS> fakhir: that is a routing issue
[15:52] <SpamapS> fakhir: your default route determines where most outgoing connections go
[15:52] <fakhir> SpamapS, ok how do I set the default route?
[15:54] <SpamapS> fakhir: in /etc/network/interfaces
[15:54] <SpamapS> fakhir: man 5 interfaces
[16:27] <hallyn> stgraber: did you pull alex's patch for lxc-archlinux?  if not lemme push it real quick before you cut
[16:27] <hallyn> oh i see you did, nm :)
[16:28] <hallyn> are you pulling the lxc_map_ids patch right now?
[16:28] <hallyn> (that one should be in rc, it's a regression)
[16:29] <stgraber> hallyn: yeah, I think I pulled it too
[16:29] <stgraber> hallyn: hmm, I don't see it applied actually, let me fix that. I certainly meant to have it
[16:30] <stgraber> hallyn: pushed
[16:31] <hallyn> thx
[16:33] <rbasak> jamespage: around? I've got mongo past the alignment fault, but mongod hangs in atomic_intrinsics_gcc.h. I presume the ARM part of that needs fixing. Did you say that you'd done something with this already?
[16:33] <jamespage> rbasak, right!
[16:34] <jamespage> so that was the second part of the problem
[16:34] <jamespage> lemme push my patch for that bit
[16:34] <jamespage> rbasak, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5611149/
[16:35] <jamespage> to start with I refactored stuff to use the gcc builtins for __sync_*
[16:35] <rbasak> jamespage: ah - I didn't realise that wasn't being applied already.
[16:35] <jamespage> but I'm not comfortable that I have it right
[16:35] <rbasak> Or is it? I'm confused. Are you saying that this is the fix, or that it doesn't work?
[16:36] <jamespage> rbasak, well the original patch from fedora-arm is - but it does not work
[16:36] <jamespage> that is my revised patch
[16:36] <rbasak> Ah, OK
[16:39] <djkorn> good day guys.
[16:40] <djkorn> need info for virtualbox-server
[16:52] <Fieldy> djkorn: can you be more specific?
[17:41] <koolhead17> hi all
[17:42] <koolhead17> seems like patch  for this https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1024477
[17:42] <koolhead17> has still not landed in Ubuntu
[17:43] <koolhead17> i am using 1.7.4-0ubuntu2~cloud0   & can still see the bug
[18:42] <Pest> i need help
[18:44] <Pest> i need that webcam saves screenshots something like /home/pictures/screen.jpg  but not rewrite each time. like screen 1, screen 2 etc
[18:44] <Pest> advices, gentlemen?
[18:45] <sarnold> Pest: maybe you could convince logrotated to rotate your photos as if they were logs
[18:46] <stgraber> hallyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5611525/ does that look reasonable to you?
[18:46] <stgraber> hallyn: also, what exactly is going on with the cupset cgroup? why can't we put pid 1 in there?
[18:46] <Pest> i mean, should i put in sfwebcam.conf line like /home/pictures/screen %N .jpg ?
[18:47] <stgraber> hallyn: with that change, I now get the following result for /proc/1/cgroup in a "b" container running in a "a" container. http://paste.ubuntu.com/5611528/
[18:47] <hallyn> stgraber: hold on...
[18:48] <hallyn> what are you trying to do?
[18:48] <hallyn> the hook as is was working for me,
[18:48] <stgraber> hallyn: I'm trying to fix the hook failing to setup the cpuset cgroup here, making the rest of it fail (as it's set -e)
[18:48] <hallyn> stgraber: i think you need a reboot
[18:49] <hallyn> then the first time lxc creates /sys/fs/cgroup/xxx/cpuset it will set clone_children to 1
[18:49] <hallyn> and all should just work
[18:49] <hallyn> it did for me last night
[18:49] <stgraber> hmm, ok. Let me try that then
[18:49] <hallyn> stgraber: well, or just set clone_children to 1 by hand,
[18:50] <hallyn> and make sure to fill the mems and cpus fields in the lxc directory.  after that all should go well
[18:50]  * hallyn has caused trouble yet again
[18:51] <stgraber> hallyn: what do you mean by "fill the mems and cpus fields in the lxc directory"?
[18:52] <Pest> oh, "tnx" guys... so helpful
[18:52] <hallyn> stgraber: make sure that /sys/fs/cgroup/cpuset/lxc/cpuset.{cpus,mems} both are not empty
[18:53] <RoyK> Pest: cheese should do
[18:53] <Pest> RoyK: ?
[18:54] <RoyK> Pest: cheese is an application to use webcams or similar
[20:01] <stgraber> hallyn: ok, a reboot sorted it. The only cgroup that's wrong is the systemd one but I'm not sure I care ;) http://paste.ubuntu.com/5611746/
[20:12] <hallyn> cool
[20:13] <kieppie> hi folks
[20:14] <kieppie> I have a headless 12.04 server doing my KVM/libvirt stuff, but I'd like to drasticly scale down the power-consuption on it - just shy of hibernation/standby when not doing any heavy lifting. how can I aggressively tune the power-consumption for on-demand use?
[20:21] <lisandrop05> hello, I'm join files splitted using zip -s
[20:21] <lisandrop05> but there is no way
[20:21] <lisandrop05> which command I need to use to join the files again?
[20:44] <lostme> Hey, I work on Openvpn on Ubu Server, I tried to get a certificate signed by my own with "sudo openssl ca -config ca.cnf -in xx.req -out newcerts/xx.crt -notext", but I get only "usr/ssl/serial: no such file or directory" and "error while loading serial number". What's wrong?
[20:47] <sarnold> lostme: usr/ssl/serial  ?
[20:48] <sarnold> lostme: can you copy-and-paste to a pastebin somewhere the entire command and output?
[20:50] <lostme> serial is a file, and I cannot copy and paste, sry
[20:51] <ScottK> lostme: Use the pastebinit package to put it in a pastebin.
[20:54] <stgraber> lxc-stop: failed to stop 'test-lucid': Operation not permitted
[20:54] <stgraber> FAIL
[20:54] <stgraber> runTest (__main__.SimpleLxcTests) ... lxc-stop: failed to stop 'test-lucid': Operation not permitted
[20:54] <stgraber> hallyn: ^
[20:54] <hallyn> sigh.  where is this?
[20:55]  * hallyn goes to replace all lxc testsuites with "if true: pass"
[20:55] <stgraber> hallyn: running integration-test on current staging
[20:56] <hallyn> what is integration-test?
[20:57]  * hallyn still waiting for edubuntu to install :)
[20:57] <hallyn> maybe i'll take the opportunity (if it boots :) to introduce the kids to it
[20:58] <stgraber> hallyn: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~serge-hallyn/+junk/lxc-test/
[20:58] <stgraber> root@castiana:~# lxc-stop -n test-lucid
[20:58] <stgraber> lxc-stop: failed to stop 'test-lucid': Operation not permitted

[20:58] <stgraber> I can't remember ever seeing that kind of thing :)
[20:59] <hallyn> stgraber: so what happens if you lxc-stop it yourself?
[20:59] <stgraber> well, I can't ;) that's what I just tried
[20:59] <hallyn> stgraber: the lxc.stopsignal seems a likely culprit
[21:00] <stgraber> hallyn: yeah... I have that problem with any container on my machine, so it's a global problem, very likely introduced by the stopsignal stuff
[21:00] <hallyn> can you strace it and see what is getting the eperm?
[21:01]  * hallyn waiting on his test instance to finish installing ubuntu-dev-tools
[21:01] <stgraber> hallyn: kill(32498, -1)                         = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument)
[21:02] <stgraber> hallyn: so for some reason it uses -1 as the default value for the signal, instead of 9 (I guess our default is SIGKILL right?)
[21:04] <hallyn> stgraber: but the patch to lxc_stop_callback() defaults to using SIGKILL which was used before as explicitly
[21:08] <stgraber> hallyn: yeah, that doesn't make sense ... the -1 value should only be possible if "handler->conf->stopsignal" was set, which it isn't in my case...
[21:08] <stgraber> hallyn: if stopsignal isn't set, it should just be using the standard SIGKILL value as was the case in the past...
[21:09] <hallyn> right
[21:11] <stgraber> hallyn: shouldn't stopsignal be initialized to 0?
[21:11] <stgraber> (in conf.h)
[21:12] <stgraber> hmm, no, was missing context looking at the diff
[21:14] <hallyn> right, memset
[21:20] <hallyn> why does rootfs get an extra / prepended?
[21:21] <hallyn> stgraber: you've verified that without that patch it works?
[21:22] <hallyn> great, apparently i mistyped my interfaces file
[21:23] <stgraber> hallyn: I haven't tried reverting yet, but I can't think of anything else which would change the second parameter of kill() to -1
[21:23] <stgraber> I'm building a version with some extra debug statements now
[21:34] <hallyn> oh wait, heh, i guess my instances are hanging from the cgroup-lite bug :)
[21:39] <stgraber> hallyn: so handler->conf->stopsignal is definitely -1 in my case, now to figure out why
[21:40] <stgraber> hallyn: and I also confirmed that config_stopsignal isn't called, so that part works too
[21:43] <hallyn> buffer overrun?
[21:44] <hallyn> stgraber: on my end, i can't get a raring instance with eth0 as bridge_port to br0 to boot today.
[21:52] <stgraber> hallyn: so I confirmed that at the end of lxc_conf_init stopsignal is indeed 0, so if nothing touches it afterwards and it's -1 at the time of lxc_stop it looks like something is overwriting it by accident
[21:52] <hallyn> right, i'm looking over git wc -p for clues
[21:57] <stgraber> added a ton more debuging here, hopefully that should show me roughly where the value changes to -1
[21:59] <mkander> I have a strange problem here. After I installed plex media server on the server it is requesting and receiving multicast stream from the IPTV from the provider. Even though Plex is turned off. Any idea how I can debug? I dont want the server to get flooded.
[22:00] <mkander> cant find out what is generating the request
[22:02] <sarnold> mkander: as I understand IGMP, the router will periodically poll the network to see if multicast groups are still needed, and unsubscribe from ones that aren't needed any longer
[22:02] <sarnold> mkander: see e.g., http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Group_Management_Protocol#IGMPv3_membership_query
[22:02] <sarnold> mkander: you might be able to just wait a little while..
[22:06] <mkander> sarnold: Thanks for the tips, read the article
[22:06] <mkander> sarnold: I have waited for one week but something is still requesting with IGMP
[22:06] <sarnold> mkander: hahaha
[22:07] <sarnold> mkander: oh jeeeze :) that's ... wow.
[22:07] <sarnold> mkander: I thought perhaps it'd been ten minutes or something.
[22:07] <mkander> it was 5 :P
[22:08] <mkander> but still it is requesting the stream somehow
[22:08] <mkander> verified this by telneting into the router and running igmpproxy
[22:09] <mkander> after some minutes it gets a request from the server ip
[22:13] <stgraber> hallyn: so it doesn't appear to be anything during initialization... I'm now digging into the mainloop/command handler
[22:16] <hallyn> stgraber: i gotta run, sorry.  i *woudl* say just push without that patch, but that's like a ticking timeobomb if we're overrunning memory
[22:16] <hallyn> i'd guess my monitor changes for cgroup are to blame
[22:16] <hallyn> will look later tonight wehn ig et back
[22:16]  * hallyn out
[22:16] <stgraber> I'll dig some more. I'd rather not push rc1 with a potential memory corruption of the conf struct ;)
[22:18] <stgraber> hallyn: yay, finally found the first place where the value appears to be -1. It's in lxc_command_mainloop_add. Looking at what happens before that one is called
[22:40] <hubuntu> silly question: when using virtual manager I would like to share clipboard between my ubuntu desktop and my ubuntu server in the VM
[22:40] <hubuntu> is that possible? there were some tool for such things for vmware last time I used that stuff in 2007
[22:42] <sarnold> hubuntu: I think the virt-manager just fires up a VNC client. I'm not sure if any vnc clients make it easy to share clipboard or the selection buffer, but perhaps one exists? (I don't know that the standard one _doesn't_ do that..)
[22:45] <hubuntu> using spice
[22:45] <hubuntu> i think it is the spice-vdagent package
[22:45] <hubuntu> but thanks a lot sarnold
[22:45] <hubuntu> :)
[22:46] <sarnold> hubuntu: woo :) good luck :)
[22:47] <hubuntu> aptitude in precise is always a bit weird and wants to delete a lot of stuff all the time... I end up using apt-get and I get what i want
[22:47] <hubuntu> is that normal?
[22:49] <ScottK> Using apt-get is the sane way to go.


[15:47] <ali2cool> Hey guys i want to know more about the new upcoming update from Ubuntu that is 14.10


[06:34] <bombae> Hello, who do I ask for help?
[06:34] <bioterror> !ask | bombae
[06:34] <ubot2`> bombae: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[06:35] <bombae> This is awesome.
[06:36] <bioterror> so, shoot
[06:36] <bombae> I recenty deleted my Mac OS X off a macbook 4.1(intel, 64bit). When I restart my computer I have to hold down F1 to get Ubuntu to run, other wise I get "Missing Operating System".
[06:37] <bioterror> I've seen that question before!
[06:37] <bombae> I tried reinstalling, like 3 or 4 times. I still have to hold down F1 to get Ubuntu to run.
[06:37] <bioterror> yes
[06:37] <bombae> Does that mean you can help me?
[06:37] <bioterror> just a moment
[06:40] <bioterror> you had to say it something
[06:40] <bioterror> I'm not a mac user, but I remember this :D
[06:40] <bioterror> takes a moment
[06:40] <bioterror> hold on and enjoy your flight!
[06:41] <bombae> No problem and thank you so much.
[06:41] <bioterror> some people seems to prefer this: http://refit.sourceforge.net/
[06:43] <bioterror> but!
[06:43] <bioterror> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1908210
[06:43] <bioterror> those should help you
[06:50] <bombae> I'm not sure. I'm not triple booting, I now only have Ubuntu installed.
[06:52] <bombae> Can you tell open this file in Terminal ~/.config/inkscape/?
[06:52] <bombae> Can you tell me how to open this file in Terminal: ~/.config/inkscape/
[06:53] <bioterror> cd ~/.config/inkscape/
[06:56] <bombae> Are you a robot?
[06:58] <bioterror> I am highly developed AI
[07:00] <bombae> Hahaahaha, awesome.
[07:00] <bombae> Once Terminal finds this file: ~/.config/inkscape/
[07:00] <bombae> How do I delete it?
[07:00] <bioterror> that's a directory
[07:01] <bioterror> cd ~/.config/
[07:01] <bioterror> rm -rf inkscape
[07:03] <bombae> Hmmm, not working for me.
[07:07] <bombae> I'm trying to delete the Inkscape preference file, to restore Inkscape's default settings. I got this location off a forum: ~/.config/inkscape/
[07:07] <bombae> You are saying its a directory, is that safe to delete?
[07:08] <bioterror> yes
[07:08] <bombae> and what are the exact steps to delete it?
[07:09] <bioterror> Fri10:01 <bioterror> cd ~/.config/
[07:09] <bioterror> Fri10:01 <bioterror> rm -rf inkscape
[07:11] <bombae> Thank you so much, it worked.
[07:15] <bombae> If there any free way to obtaining all the terminal commands for Ubuntu?
[07:15] <bombae> of*
[07:19] <bioterror> yes
[07:19] <bioterror> !cmd | bombae
[07:20] <ubot2`> Factoid 'cmd' not found
[07:20] <bioterror> !bash | bombae
[07:20] <ubot2`> bombae: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome), K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE), or Menu -> Accessories -> LXTerminal (LXDE). Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[07:20] <bioterror> !apt | bombae
[07:20] <ubot2`> bombae: APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome), !Adept (KDE) or !KPackageKit (KDE)
[07:22] <bombae> This is such a relief. I was the using the askubuntu.com forum for days with no help aside from the spell checks.
[07:23] <bioterror> glad to hear  ;)
[07:25] <bombae> For the record, I just moved into this chat. Thank you for housing me :-D.
[07:26] <bioterror> that's why this is called beginners
[07:26] <bioterror> we are openminded groub with slow paced channel activity
[07:27] <bioterror> better than #ubuntu itself for the beginners, as we have only ~50 users here and there's like 2000
[07:29] <bombae> True.
[12:25] <bombae> Hello
[12:25] <bombae> any Ubuntu experts present?
[12:28] <bioterror> bombae, you know the procedure
[12:28] <bioterror> just ask
[12:29] <bombae> Still have not figured out how to get Ubuntu to boot up from start up, without having to hold down the f1 key.
[12:30] <Blazemore> Why do you have to hold f1?
[12:30] <Blazemore> What happens if you don't?
[12:30] <bioterror> becouse of apple
[12:30] <Blazemore> explain?
[12:30] <bombae> "Missing operating systems"
[12:30] <Blazemore> bombae: Your BIOS is set to boot from the wrong hard drive?
[12:30] <Blazemore> What does F1 do?
[12:31] <bombae> I dont know, this grey globe just pops up
[12:31] <bombae> and then Ubuntu loads.
[12:31] <bombae> I figured it out by accident, just holding down keys when I was in prayer mode.
[12:32] <Blazemore> bombae: So, back a bit. How many hard drives do you have?
[12:32] <bombae> As far as I know one.
[12:33] <bombae> it is a macbook 4.1
[12:33] <Blazemore> Hmm
[12:33] <bioterror> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=767677
[12:35] <bombae> I found a lot information how dual booting, but im not. I completely deleted my Mac OS X.
[12:36] <Blazemore> OK so you have *only* Ubuntu on this machine
[12:36] <Blazemore> And unless you press F1 during startup, you get an error message "Missing operating system"?
[12:36] <bombae> Yes.
[12:48] <bioterror> but your problem is still related to those things
[12:48] <bioterror> as it doesnt understand your partition
[12:49] <bioterror> bombae, have you blessed your device?
[12:49] <bioterror> !bless
[12:49] <ubot2`> Factoid 'bless' not found
[12:50] <bombae> hahahahaa
[12:50] <bioterror> it's not a matter of laughter
[12:50] <bioterror> that's stupid apple stuff :D
[12:51] <bombae> That is why I'm here :-D
[12:51] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MactelSupportTeam/AppleIntelInstallation#Single-Boot:_Ubuntu_Only
[12:51] <bioterror> you did it by this guide?
[12:51] <bombae> let me see.
[12:53] <bombae> I did not use that guide.
[12:54] <bioterror> you could give it a shot?
[12:54] <bioterror> and give a thought about that bless thing :P
[12:55] <bombae> Lol.
[12:59] <bombae> Okay, so reinstall with those directions. This is like my 20th reinstall . . . I am so atheist now.
[13:00] <bombae> I used a usb for all my reinstalls because the disk is broken on this machine. Will that change the dynamics of the directions?
[13:05] <bioterror> :D
[13:05] <bioterror> hard to say
[13:05] <bioterror> but I use always USB for installing os's
[13:05] <bioterror> must faster than cd's for example
[13:09] <bombae> Just to be 100%. I break out my windows laptop that has Unetbootin and the Ubuntu ISO. I install it on to the USB that will then be used in my macbook. I follow the directions you gave me?
[13:10] <bioterror> no need for unetbootin
[13:10] <bioterror> just dd it ;)
[13:11] <bombae> I don't understand.
[13:12] <bioterror> !dd
[13:12] <ubot2`> Factoid 'dd' not found
[13:12] <bioterror> :D
[13:15] <bombae> Im confused now.
[13:15] <bombae> dd=download it?
[13:15] <bioterror> sudo dd if=ubuntu-image.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M
[13:15] <bioterror> where the sdX is the device of the usb pendrive
[13:18] <bombae> ahhh.
[13:25] <bombae> Thank you again. I will let you know if it works.
[13:26] <bioterror> thank then if it works ,)
[13:52] <ashley88323> Hey all. New to Ubuntu. Is there a way to stop the screensaver when watching full screen video (other than turning off the screen saver first?)
[13:55] <bioterror> it actually depends on software
[13:55] <ashley88323> I'm running Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[13:55] <bioterror> and your video watching software is?
[13:56] <ashley88323> flash player - to watch youtube
[13:57] <bioterror> there has been some discussions about it: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1090393
[13:58] <ashley88323> Ta for the pointer
[14:01] <Sidewinder1> ashley88323, I use Totem and it, I believe automatically disables my screensaver.
[14:04] <ashley88323> So I've got a gedit window open and pasted the code there but can't save to /bin/ or /usr/bin - any ideas?
[14:05] <Sidewinder1> Open gedit with gksudo; that'll give you root to copy, but, BE CAREFUL!
[14:06] <Sidewinder1> or save..
[14:06] <ashley88323> Maybe I'm just not ready to do this Ubuntu thing. What's gksudo?
[14:07] <Sidewinder1> In a terminal, type gksudo gedit, that being said, why do you need to copy something to /bin, which is in root. Usually not necessary and can be dangerous unless you're sure of what your doing.
[14:09] <ashley88323> Following this part of the instructions Next, save the following script as ~/bin/flash_saver.sh
[14:09] <ashley88323> without spotting the ~
[14:09] <ashley88323> and the need to create the file first
[14:10] <ashley88323> file => directory
[14:11] <Sidewinder1> I generally don't go messing with that sort of thing; that said I should probably respectfully bow out..
[14:12] <ashley88323> ok - different question Sidewinder1 - can you get youtube to open videos in Totem?
[14:15] <Sidewinder1> ashley88323, Probably not, I watch very few youtube videos, very, very few. But those that I do I think flash (non-free)is the player that is used.
[14:16] <ashley88323> ok
[14:18] <Sidewinder1> ashley88323, As a side note, if you wish to save a youtube vid, to watch in Totem, Firefox has a plug-in/addon called "UnPlug", that works nicely. Hope that helps too.
[14:18] <ashley88323> Will take a look
[14:19] <ashley88323> Ok - different question
[14:19] <ashley88323> Big annoyance is typing away not looking at the screen and up pops another window from another application and you end up typing into that
[14:19] <ashley88323> Is there a way in ubuntu to stop that
[14:21] <Sidewinder1> To which application (pop-up) are you referring?
[14:22] <ashley88323> Anything - its the principle of preventing the focus changing to another window without my say so!
[14:22] <ashley88323> Could be a browser window wanting to report a time out or something equally pointless
[15:44] <kristian-aalborg> /dev/sdd1             459G   30G  406G   7% /home/kristian/usb
[15:44] <kristian-aalborg> this means that it holds 459G, right?
[15:44] <kristian-aalborg> *not* including file system overhead?
[15:45] <kristian-aalborg> sorry, this is the order of the numbers:
[15:45] <kristian-aalborg> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[15:45] <bioterror> you have 500GB drive
[15:47] <aeoril> kristian-aalborg:  what command did you use to get that output?
[15:48] <Sidewinder1> Probably fdisk -l?
[15:48] <bioterror> df -h
[15:48] <bioterror> geeee guys ;)
[15:49] <aeoril> geeez, guys ;)
[15:50] <kristian-aalborg> yes, df -h
[15:50] <kristian-aalborg> and yes, the drive is 500GB
[15:52] <kristian-aalborg> I'm doing a backup to it now... the partition I am backing up is 451GB... I would hate to run out of space, naturally
[15:58] <bioterror> should be enough
[16:01] <geirha> Note that when df -h says 459G it means 459GiB ~= 493GB
[16:50] <kristian-aalborg> yes


[00:22] <Rcart> hello everyone, i'm completed new in triaging bugs but i want to start with this :). So, i'm reading the How To Triage in the wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage and i'm looking for my first bug
[00:24] <Rcart> i've found this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdebi/+bug/623727 and its looks like isn't a bug 'cause the reporter is traying to install a package for the development version (maverick) in Lucid Lynx
[00:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 623727 in gdebi (Ubuntu) "crash when opening the .deb file geeqie-common_1.0-4_all.deb (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[00:25] <Rcart> the package geeqie is in the lucid repos and has no problem installing
[00:25] <Rcart> so, the status for this "bug" should by invalid?
[00:25] <Rcart> be*
[00:25] <micahg> Rcart: it's valid, gdebi-gtk is a GUI package installer, it shouldn't crash on launch IMHO
[00:27] <Rcart> yeah, i know, but does isn't crashing 'cause is installing a package for a version that isn't supported yep?
[00:28] <micahg> Rcart: it shouldn't cresh in any case
[00:33] <Rcart> Ok, so, if i recreate the bug, i should be set to confirmed and wait to be triaged by an UbuntuBugControl member?
[00:34] <micahg> Rcart: yes, if you can recreate you can mark confirmed and ask someone here to mark triaged
[00:34] <micahg> Rcart: also try to ascertain how bad it is (can't install any packages, can't install maverick packages...)
[00:35] <Rcart> Ok, working on...
[00:37] <Rcart> sorry, i got to leave. Thanks micahg.  We schedule themed quizzes, every Friday, to test your knowledge of your favourite operating system (Ubuntu, of course!) and keep you exercising those cranial muscles.
[02:07] <ryanakca> oops. I thought I was in -bots. My bad.
[02:09] <yofel> gnome bug 622266
[02:09] <ubot2> Gnome bug 622266 in Chat themes "Should decide which default font to use for chat view" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=622266
[02:11] <yofel> hm, iirc LP warns that another bug tracks an upstream bug too when adding a bugwatch that was already added somewhere else
[02:11] <yofel> but I'm not sure what that looked like, maybe ask in #launchpad
[02:11] <Pici> Perhaps its exposed via the api, but not the lp interface itself?
[02:17]  * bcurtiswx_ doesn't know :(
[03:22] <andypea> Hi, I want to try and fix the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/texlive-extra/+bug/575812
[03:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 575812 in texlive-extra (Ubuntu) " revtex4-1 should be upgraded to bugfix release on 3/15/2010 (affects: 6) (heat: 46)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[03:22] <andypea> Any pointers on where to start?
[05:52] <chilicui1> mrand: around?
[05:53] <mrand> chilicui1: howdy!  briefly... heading to bed soon.  What's up?
[05:55] <chilicui1> mrand: ok, hi, I'm working on bug 623727 and I cant confirm it even when I'm using the same version of gdebi, what information should I ask, it seems like its python version is ok
[05:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 623727 in gdebi (Ubuntu) "crash when opening the .deb file geeqie-common_1.0-4_all.deb (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/623727
[05:57] <mrand> chilicui1: Perhaps it was a corrupted download?  I'd be tempted to ask if it is reproducible if they download the .deb again.
[05:57] <chilicui1> mrand: I've downloaded it, and it works ok
[05:57] <chilicui1> mrand: ok, I'm gonna do that
[05:58] <mrand> chilicui1: cool.  I assume you know to mark it as incomplete if you ask a question like that.
[05:58] <chilicui1> mrand: yep, it just seem to me weird, I wanted another opinion
[05:59] <mrand> chilicui1: working on bugs proves that you'll eventually see EVERY kind of weird failure.
[05:59] <mrand> Which can be interesting.  And sometimes frustrating.
[05:59] <micahg> nah mrand, there are always more surprises around the corner ;)
[06:00] <chilicui1> mrand: jaja, u're right, thx for the help, I'll keep triaging a little bit more, good night
[06:01] <mrand> night!
[06:01] <mrand> micahg: indeed!
[12:25] <devildante> hi all :)
[13:36] <hggdh> hi devildante
[13:36] <devildante> hi hggdh :)
[13:36] <devildante> hi to pedro_ too :)
[13:37] <hggdh> buenas pedro_
[13:38] <pedro_> morning hggdh devildante
[13:38] <devildante> bonjour pedro_ :p
[13:41] <pedro_> reboot brb
[14:09] <bcurtiswx> Good morning
[15:08] <maco> sure
[15:08] <maco> dear touchpad: dont change channels
[15:08] <jpds> sure.
[15:49] <dyfet> I think #602748 can be marked as triaged
[15:51] <vish> bug #602748
[15:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 602748 in syncevolution (Ubuntu) "please update syncevolution to latest stable version (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/602748
[16:23] <elopio> devildante left us without bug day :)
[16:23] <elopio> *hugs for devildante*
[16:41]  * devildante hugs elopio back (but a little late :p)
[16:51] <holstein> hggdh: ping-o-la
[17:06] <hggdh> holstein: pong-o-la
[17:06] <holstein> hggdh: :)
[17:07] <holstein> i'll PM you
[17:23] <holstein> GrueMaster: you got a minute?
[17:23] <GrueMaster> Yep.
[17:23] <GrueMaster> Persia warned me that I was being stalked.
[17:23] <GrueMaster> :P
[17:23] <holstein> lol
[17:26] <holstein> GrueMaster: so you know what im talking about then
[17:26] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tasksel/+bug/562706
[17:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 562706 in tasksel (Ubuntu) "On i386, selecting the ubuntu studio packages fails to install (affects: 1) (heat: 28)" [Critical,New]
[17:26] <holstein> GrueMaster: did you get ubuntustudio installed?
[17:26] <holstein> did you just install the OS, and add the packages later?
[17:26] <GrueMaster> I was running a test for NCommander at the time.  Not something I actively test.
[17:26] <holstein> that has beem my work-around
[17:26] <holstein> GrueMaster: AH
[17:26] <GrueMaster> I believe I used the alt image.
[17:27] <holstein> thats all we got
[17:27] <holstein> no live yet :/
[17:27]  * holstein is working on that too
[17:28] <GrueMaster> If you need me to retest, let me know so I can start downloading and work it into my schedule.
[17:28] <persia> There's a reason there's no live image: live images have such lousy latency that it's a poor demo.
[17:29] <GrueMaster> understandable.
[17:29] <holstein> i think it would be a nice option
[17:29] <holstein> for testing audio interface compatibility
[17:30] <holstein> and other gear
[17:30] <holstein> if someone wants to easily test a wacom tablet with blender
[17:31] <holstein> that would be a way to see and test the functionailty
[17:39] <GrueMaster> Should be easy enough to add a message at startup that says the live image is for hardware testing only and to ignore latency issues or something to that effect.
[17:41] <hggdh> 36
[17:42] <bdmurray> jibel: Did you have some question for me?
[18:19] <sinurge> its ubuntu bug hug day right today?
[18:20] <devildante> sinurge: it's tomorrow
[18:21] <sinurge> devildante, hmmm thought the email from kamus said it was th 26th
[18:21] <devildante> sinurge: no, no, it's today, I got confused :p
[18:22] <micahg> devildante: it's today :P
[18:22]  * devildante facepalm
[18:22] <devildante> s
[18:22] <sinurge> den we all missed our egg timers :D
[19:57] <ojap> hello
[20:18] <nigelbabu> Anyone knows who launchpad.net/~papukaija is on IRC?
[20:27] <hggdh> nigelbabu: NOPE
[20:27] <nigelbabu> hggdh: ok, I'll have to contact via LP
[20:28] <ojap> I'd like to contribute to the bug squad more.
[20:28] <vish>   hggdh, mind reader for whole channel! :D
[20:29] <hggdh> ojap: what can we do to help you?
[20:29] <hggdh> vish: :-)
[20:30] <ojap> well, have joined the launchpad group and been looking through the bugs found in Launchpad, just looking for some advice to get started helping out!
[20:30] <nigelbabu> !mentor
[20:30] <ubot2> Looking for a helping hand with bug triage? Read the wiki for information about requesting a bugsquad mentor: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors
[20:30] <hggdh> ojap: you can start by reading http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs
[20:30] <vish> ojap: have you read the wikis for starters?
[20:31] <vish> ojap: the one hggdh pointed , he is too fast :)
[20:32] <BlackZ> seb128: could you please look at bug #624892 ?
[20:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 624892 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) "Rhythmbox crashes on startup (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/624892
[20:32] <seb128> no
[20:32] <seb128> sorry but it's ui freeze and I'm busy until eod
[20:32] <ojap> I have, initially tried assigning bugs to the correct packages. However, don't know really know how to make the next step with solving a bug.
[20:33] <vish> BlackZ: when the backtrace needs more debugging symbols atleast..
[20:34] <vish> s/when//
[20:36] <vish> BlackZ: too many missing symbols , all the '??' need a debug package installed , ex: ?? () from /lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
[20:37] <vish> ojap: next step? as in?
[20:37] <pedro_> BlackZ, since when are you getting that crash?
[20:38] <nigelbabu> vish: can you unassign https://launchpad.net/~watson516 and assign a new student.  No response via mail or on IRC
[20:38] <hggdh> well, there is an assertion failure on thread 1
[20:38] <hggdh> and then there is also this line: RhythmDB:ERROR:rhythmdb-query.c:480:rhythmdb_read_encoded_property: code should not be reached
[20:38] <BlackZ> pedro_: today (I installed maverick today)
[20:38] <hggdh> in libglib, but we are missing the debug symbols there
[20:39] <BlackZ> hggdh: right
[20:40] <vish> nigelbabu: done..
[20:40] <ojap> vish: well just find the number of bugs overwhelming and unsure where to start, have also tried to ensure that bugs have the appropriate information attached and this also seems fairly complicated. would you suggest getting a mentor to learn more about the bug squad?
[20:40] <nigelbabu> vish: thanks
[20:40] <hggdh> BlackZ: I wonder if the message above has something to do with the assertion failure (which most probably is the resposible party for the SIGABRT)
[20:40] <vish> np..
[20:43] <vish> ojap: number of bugs are always overwhelming ;) .. requesting a mentor is also an option and you'd get assigned a mentor if and when a mentor is available in your preferred time slot.
[20:43] <pedro_> BlackZ, is that easy to reproduce? could you get a new backtrace with the glib debugging symbols installed?
[20:43] <pedro_> there's no similar backtrace on the upstream bts or in lp
[20:43] <vish> ojap: an easy way to start with bugs is , thinking about a package/application you like :)
[20:43] <pedro_> so would be nice to get a full one for it
[20:43] <BlackZ> pedro_: just open rhythmbox and the crash will be reproduced (in my case)
[20:43] <pedro_> BlackZ, i'm listening music with rhythmbox here :-)
[20:44] <pedro_> otherwise i wouldn't ask
[20:44] <vish> lol!
[20:44] <vish> pedro_: too cheeky ;p
[20:44]  * pedro_ hugs vish
[20:44] <BlackZ> pedro_: I will attach a new backtrace with the glib debugging symbols installed
[20:45] <vish> ojap: and looking at the bugs in that application/package and trying to see if the bugs are still relevant or if the bug still exists in the latest package
[20:45] <pedro_> BlackZ, thanks a lot ;-)
[20:45] <BlackZ> pedro_: thank you for looking!
[20:49] <ojap> vish: how would I find bugs related to a particular application, would this simply be through a search?
[20:52] <yofel> ojap: look at bugs for a specific package (bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/<packagename>/) like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus for example
[20:52] <vish> ojap: yup, search helps, you can click on the package name on the bugs and you will get a list of all the bugs , like for ex, the above RB ,bug will give you https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox
[20:53] <vish> yofel:   :)
[20:58] <ojap> vish: Ok, looking at a particular package is a good idea.
[20:59] <vish> ojap: have fun , and if you have any doubts , just ask here , anyone who is around and knows will answer
[21:08] <ojap> vish: Ok, thanks for your help.
[21:08] <vish> np.. :)
[21:37] <theorem> if my citrix receiver client is crashing and reporting the crash from libc-2.11.1.so for the amd64 architecture where should I report it ?
[21:38] <kamusin> !ping devildante
[21:38] <ubot2> Factoid 'ping devildante' not found
[21:38] <theorem> I guess I'll just submit a bug to the community and see what comes up ...
[21:43] <hggdh> theorem: so far, under the citrix client (if we have such a package)
[21:43] <theorem> hggdh: hmm, not that I'm aware
[21:43] <theorem> I snagged it direct from Citrix
[21:44] <theorem> is this a libc bug ??  :  Aug 26 16:13:11 topgun kernel: [ 1327.871643] wfica[2298]: segfault at 848480 ip 00000000f73e1b61 sp 00000000ffdc9760 error 4 in libc-2.11.1.so[f7371000+153000]
[21:44] <theorem> it *seems* that it occurred while inside libc
[22:16] <hggdh> theorem: it did happen inside libc, but it does not necessarily mean it is libc. It may be (and most probably is) an issue within the citrix code
[22:17] <hggdh> theorem: but we would need full debugging symbols to get it. Right now your best bet is to report it to citrix
[22:23] <BlackZ> hggdh: bug #624892: I attached another backtrace wth more debug symbols
[22:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 624892 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) "Rhythmbox crashes on startup (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/624892
[22:23] <BlackZ> ops, I forgot to set the bug's status to "New" back
[22:23] <BlackZ> done now
[22:38] <hggdh> BlackZ: looking
[22:39] <hggdh> BlackZ: yes, the failing assertion is "code should not be reached"
[22:39] <hggdh> BlackZ: on the top bt, frame #2
[22:40] <hggdh> which leads to an abort call
[22:40] <hggdh> BlackZ: prime material for upstream ;-)
[22:40] <BlackZ> hggdh: I'm going to report that bug to upstream
[22:40] <hggdh> BlackZ: cool! Thank you
[23:01] <BlackZ> hggdh: done


[10:32] <rikard> does someone know how to set "respawn" in upstart 0.5.0?
[10:34] <Keybuk> rikard: "respawn" :-)
[10:35] <rikard> I know, I have tried the following:
[10:36] <rikard> start on stopped S70motion and stopped S71iod
[10:36] <rikard> console output
[10:36] <rikard> respawn
[10:36] <rikard> script
[10:36] <rikard>         exec /etc/rc3.d/S85httpd start
[10:36] <rikard> end script
[10:36] <rikard> but I can't get it to work?
[10:38] <rikard> what's wrong?
[10:39] <Keybuk> it'll respawn the init script
[10:39] <Keybuk> not what the init script runs
[10:39] <Keybuk> you can't combine respawn and init scripts in that way
[10:39] <Keybuk> convert the init script into a proper upstart job instead
[10:41] <rikard> how to do it?
[10:42] <Keybuk> that's a complex question
[10:42] <Keybuk> but fundamentally your script should look something like
[10:42] <Keybuk>   console output
[10:42] <Keybuk>   respawn
[10:43] <Keybuk>   exec /usr/sbin/httpd --foreground
[10:43] <rikard> ok, thanks a lot for your help!
[22:02] <ion> http://www.milepost.eu/


[09:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- andyrock, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3658 Failed to build (disco/nux). Ready to build (/:, /: Failed to update local lp:nux cache., disco/Failed, disco/cache., disco/local, disco/lp:nux, disco/to, disco/update)
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[11:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3534 Failed to build (focal/openvswitch). Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination (focal/ovn)
[11:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3534 Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination (focal/ovn). Uploading build (focal/openvswitch)
[12:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamespage, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3534 Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination
[14:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ahasenack, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3936 Pending binary packages (focal/bind9). Successfully built (focal/bind9-libs, focal/debian-installer, focal/isc-dhcp)
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[05:43] <Burgundavia> There is an online tutorial on using package management tools, including Add/Remove, Synaptic and Aptitude in 20 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[12:20] <Luke> hmm...  first time ever using IRC, complete noob here.  Test Test =)
[12:20] <Luke> eh... nm... wrong channel.  sry
[06:58] <anmar> Hey guys. I am testing Edgy Eft Knot 2 (not sure if my last update pused it to 3) and I have some problems I wish resolved so I can file my report
[06:58] <anmar> My question is: Is this the right place to discuss this kind of stuff or should I still go to #ubuntu ?
[07:10] <Nailor> Well, we're not supporting channel
[07:10] <Nailor> Of course you can shoot us with the question, we'll might answer :P
[07:10] <Nailor> s/we'll/we/
[07:10] <anmar> Nailor: hehe... thanks dude...
[07:11] <anmar> Nailor: I am trying to test edggy knot 3 and resume is a problem.
[07:11] <Nailor> Worked fine before?
[07:11] <anmar> I am using the 915resolution packages but resume from suspend leaves my screen black
[07:12] <anmar> Nailor: where can I find what happens when you resume a laptop ?
[07:12] <Nailor> Dunno, ACPI documentation maybe?
[07:12] <anmar> Nailor: I mean what gets started first... it is a bit confusing since there are acpi packages, gnome-power-manager and hiberante ... yikes
[07:12] <anmar> Nailor: yeah.. I dug there a bit...
[07:13] <anmar> Nailor:  will keep digging... cause I think it might be a bug worth filing
[07:13] <Nailor> You could also check if someone has same kind of problems from laptop testing team wiki
[07:14] <anmar> Nailor: there is a laptop test report from this guy (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/Lenovo_IBM)
[07:14] <anmar> but it is incomplete
[07:15] <anmar> Nailor: BTW, can I use the same report or should I start my own ?
[07:17] <simira> anmar: search for similar problems reported in Launchpad, else, file a bug on it
[07:17] <anmar> simira: will do
[07:18] <Nailor> anmar: Use the same report, just add yourself as one of the contributors in there
[07:18] <anmar> Nailor: ok. cool.
[09:57] <Infecto> hmmm
[09:57] <Infecto> is something moving in suspent do ram problem
[09:57] <Infecto> ?
[10:02] <Burgundavia> Infecto: you filed a bug
[10:02] <Burgundavia> ?
[10:02] <Burgundavia> I have not seena  suspend to ram issue
[10:03] <Infecto> Burgundavia: it works for you ?
[10:03] <Infecto> for me it want to suspend
[10:03] <Infecto> not wake up
[10:03] <Infecto> but suspend


[17:30] <GSilva> Hey there
[17:30] <GSilva> is anyone in here?
[17:31] <holstein> yes
[17:31] <GSilva> I'd like to join the beginners team
[17:31] <GSilva> I was reading some information on the forums but seems I can't reply to nothing there
[17:31] <GSilva> With who should I talk to about joining this team?
[17:32] <holstein> i would /join the *-team channel and be patient
[17:32] <GSilva> roger
[17:32] <GSilva> thanks
[22:47] <GSilva> does anyone uses the version 13.04 of Ubuntu here?
[22:59] <Unit193> Not Ubuntu/Unity, but I use 13.04.
[23:00] <GSilva> hum
[23:00] <GSilva> do you have signed the launchpad code?
[23:00] <Unit193> CoC? Yep
[23:00] <Unit193> !coc
[23:00] <GSilva> exactly
[23:01] <GSilva> well, I can't find some credentials info
[23:01] <GSilva> but, let me see that video
[23:01] <GSilva> baah
[23:01] <GSilva> this is an older version
[23:01] <GSilva> I can't find password and encryption...
[23:02] <Unit193> `seahorse` from the terminal will bring it up.
[23:03] <GSilva> god dammit
[23:03] <GSilva> finally did it
[23:03] <GSilva> thanks mate
[23:03] <GSilva> appreciate ti!
[23:03] <GSilva> ti*
[23:03] <GSilva> IT!* :P
[23:06] <Unit193> Sure thing.
[23:07] <Unit193> (I'd assume you read it too...)
[23:08] <GSilva> yes, I'm watching and doing t
[23:08] <GSilva> it*