[06:44] <gichity> Hello all. When trying to install ubuntustudio from an alternate DVD on hard disk. After i have successfully partitioned and intending to install ubuntustudio i get a "Debootstrap error.. Failed to determine the codename for release". What is the solution?
[06:44] <gichity> meant *am trying to install ubuntu studio not when
[08:23] <mothersofinventi> I can listen to MIDI normally using timidity through command line, I simply don't understand why don't I hear a sound when it comes to rosegarden. some problem related to jack, perhaps?
[08:38] <mothersofinventi> hello!
[10:24] <rvchila> morning!
[10:33] <AutoStatic> goodmorning
[19:58] <rvchila> good afternoom
[20:00] <abstrakt> rvchila: yup it is
[20:01] <rvchila> how is going on ?
[20:01] <abstrakt> fine
[20:06] <astraljava> abstrakt: Btw. I am presently installing from a USB stick created from an alternate install .iso, so Ubuntu Studio might work out the same.
[20:07] <abstrakt> astraljava: ?
[20:07] <astraljava> abstrakt: :D
[20:07] <abstrakt> astraljava: i can make live USB images out of the regular installers
[20:07] <abstrakt> but i haven't been able to get a live usb of studio to work for me
[20:07] <abstrakt> of course i haven't tried doing anything more than using Fedora LiveUSB Creator
[20:07] <astraljava> abstrakt: Ahh... then I _totally_ misunderstood you in the first place. :) Sorry.
[20:07] <abstrakt> works like a charm for vanilla 9.10 and 10.04 discs
[20:08] <abstrakt> in fact i just did a LiveUSB install of 10.04 last night
[20:08] <astraljava> abstrakt: Somehow my {eyes|mind} left out the 'live' part. :D
[20:09] <abstrakt> astraljava: yeh i duno if there's some other stoftware for creating non-live USB images, maybe
[20:09] <abstrakt> astraljava: i mean, the Ubuntu live images let you either run the installer or run the live OS
[20:09] <abstrakt> take your pick
[20:09] <abstrakt> i just ran the installer, worked fine
[20:09] <abstrakt> but the alternate ones are text-based installer only
[20:09] <abstrakt> no live
[20:09] <astraljava> Ok. Understood.
[21:02] <holstein> hey guys
[21:02] <holstein> check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuServerFlashDriveInstaller
[21:02] <holstein> FireCrotch posted that the other day in here
[21:03] <holstein> said that a bootable USB stick was made to install ubuntustudio from that same tutorial
[21:03]  * holstein has not tried it yet
[21:03] <holstein> astraljava abstrakt ^^
[21:04] <abstrakt> holstein: awesome thanks
[21:04] <abstrakt> holstein: for now it appears that i don't really need the defacto studio distribution
[21:04] <abstrakt> holstein: i just installed 10.04 64 bit (regular, not studio) last night
[21:04] <abstrakt> and it works great actually
[21:05] <holstein> i think i still prefer that
[21:05] <abstrakt> holstein: actually i basically solved my problem twice over. for one, i bought a 100' ethernet cable so i'm not even using the wireless card
[21:05] <holstein> the upgade method
[21:05] <abstrakt> so there won't be any conflicts with restricted drivesr
[21:05] <holstein> abstrakt: nice
[21:05] <abstrakt> but i also
[21:05] <abstrakt> figured out that i don't need the RT kernel :)
[21:05] <holstein> and the speed and relaibility is better with a wire too
[21:05] <abstrakt> or at least figured out how to get away with not using the RT kernel
[21:05] <holstein> nice
[21:05] <abstrakt> holstein: yeah actually latency is lower
[21:05] <holstein> if you dont need it, you dont ned it
[21:06] <holstein> need*
[21:06] <abstrakt> indeed, apparently i don't
[21:06] <holstein> i need it
[21:06] <abstrakt> holstein: oh? what do you use it for then?
[21:06] <holstein> with my interface and my set-up
[21:06] <holstein> i get MUCH better latency
[21:06] <holstein> and no xruns
[21:06] <abstrakt> holstein: which interface?
[21:07] <holstein> presonus firepod
[21:07] <abstrakt> holstein: oh
[21:07] <abstrakt> you don't really need the RT kernel for that though do you?
[21:07] <abstrakt> just for the firepod
[21:07] <holstein> not really
[21:07] <abstrakt> i have a firepod
[21:07] <abstrakt> it has the headphone/line out
[21:07] <holstein> just to get low latency
[21:07] <abstrakt> which is zero latency
[21:07] <holstein> when overdubbing
[21:07] <abstrakt> yeh but the monitor outs are zero latency
[21:07] <holstein> and no xruns
[21:07] <abstrakt> but ardour already accounts for the latency
[21:07] <holstein> tracking 8 tracks at once
[21:07] <abstrakt> and moves your tracks into place for you
[21:08] <holstein> abstrakt: so im told
[21:08] <abstrakt> you don't use ardour?
[21:08] <holstein> BUT i get no lag with softsynths either
[21:08]  * holstein uses ardour
[21:08] <holstein> and i usually mix with a lower latency setting
[21:09] <holstein> BUT now, i can use rakarrack for real-time effects
[21:09] <holstein> with out any lag
[21:09] <holstein> and MIDI too
[21:10] <abstrakt> you mean jackrack?
[21:11] <abstrakt> i'm not sure how mixing with a "lower latency setting" means anything
[21:11] <abstrakt> anyway, i do all my monitoring through the headphone jack, which is zero latency
[21:11] <holstein> abstrakt: i meant a higher latency
[21:11] <holstein> more relaxed settings to mix
[21:11] <holstein> because the lag doesnt matter so much
[21:11] <abstrakt> are you playing a physical/outboard/hardware MIDI keyboard?
[21:12] <holstein> rakarrack is kinda like jackrack in a way
[21:12] <abstrakt> cuz if you are, you don't need jack midi
[21:12] <holstein> its nice
[21:12] <abstrakt> you should just use ALSA midi
[21:12] <holstein> abstrakt: yeah, i know, but i like to route with JACK while im using the synths
[21:12] <abstrakt> cuz otherwise your midi will be stuck on whatever latency jack audio is stuck with
[21:12] <holstein> and it works well
[21:12] <abstrakt> holstein: route the MIDI with jack while you're using the synths?
[21:12] <abstrakt> cuz you can still route the jack audio
[21:13] <holstein> hmmm
[21:13] <holstein> i think thats how im doing it
[21:13] <holstein> i just route it in Qjack
[21:13] <holstein> and i think thats just a connections bay for that right?
[21:13] <abstrakt> holstein: do you have 'seq' selected under MIDI in qjackctl ?
[21:13] <holstein> hmmmm
[21:14] <holstein> id have to look
[21:14] <abstrakt> yeah you don't need to have jack running in order to use the ALSA connection stuff
[21:14] <holstein> it 'just worked'
[21:14] <abstrakt> ALSA midi that is
[21:14] <holstein> and i didnt mess with it
[21:14] <abstrakt> there's three tabs in the connections
[21:14] <rvchila> anyone know when ardour 3 will be realeased ?
[21:14] <abstrakt> ALSA, MIDI, and Audio
[21:14] <holstein> yeah/
[21:14] <abstrakt> rvchila: ask #ardour
[21:14] <rvchila> thanks
[21:14] <abstrakt> rvchila: the answer is "don't ask when ardour 3 will be released"
[21:14] <holstein> and my MIDI connections that i use are under the ALSA tab
[21:14] <rvchila> why ?
[21:14] <abstrakt> holstein: oh ok well then you're fine
[21:15] <holstein> abstrakt: COOL :)
[21:15] <abstrakt> holstein: and you probably don't need the RT kernel
[21:15] <holstein> probably not
[21:15] <holstein> but thats how i role :)
[21:15] <abstrakt> holstein: you can still use the JACK MIDI to route MIDI from application to application
[21:15] <holstein> lol
[21:15] <abstrakt> holstein: for which there is zero latency
[21:15] <holstein> roll*
[21:15] <abstrakt> holstein: for hardware though you want to do it with ALSA
[21:15] <abstrakt> otherwise you'll be stuck on whatever latency jack audio is on
[21:15] <holstein> rvchila: i dont know if there is an offical date yet
[21:16] <holstein> did you check the site?
[21:16] <abstrakt> holstein: so like if you want to connect e.g. rosegarden to hexter
[21:16] <holstein> i think theres an alpha or beta of ardour 3.x
[21:16] <rvchila> yes, there is a svn version
[21:16] <abstrakt> holstein: using JACK, there will be zero latency, because it's software-to-software
[21:16] <abstrakt> rvchila: yeah there's a beta
[21:16] <abstrakt> rvchila: basically Ardour 3 has MIDI support
[21:16] <abstrakt> dunno what all kind of midi support it has, but it has it
[21:16] <rvchila> for this reason i would like it
[21:16] <abstrakt> rvchila: but there's already rosegarden
[21:17] <abstrakt> so in a way it's almost redundant
[21:17] <abstrakt> we'll see though, i have faith that las will make it good
[21:17] <rvchila> i have seriously problems with rosegarden ( sorry i´m spanish and i don´t know much english enough )
[21:17] <holstein> rvchila: theres an interview with paul davis at..
[21:17] <holstein> http://opensourcemusician.libsyn.com/
[21:17] <holstein> its been a while though
[21:17] <rvchila> my rosegarden crash every time i load it
[21:18] <holstein> hmmm
[21:18] <holstein> i hate to talk about another distro here
[21:18] <abstrakt> holstein: try it without the RT kernel :)
[21:18] <holstein> but the musix guys are mostly spanish speaking
[21:18] <rvchila> traverso or qtractor, they need, for me, a stretch
[21:18] <abstrakt> holstein: i had issues with rosegarden crashing also
[21:19]  * holstein too
[21:19] <abstrakt> yeh
[21:19] <abstrakt> i'll try to double confirm whether or not this is still an issue for me tonight
[21:19] <rvchila> but i mean in the first moment when i load
[21:19]  * holstein would trust an ardour beta release though
[21:19] <holstein> those guys are ACTIVE
[21:19] <rvchila> just i click rosegarden, and crash, i have to kill this pid
[21:19] <abstrakt> yeah they are active
[21:19] <abstrakt> rvchila: are you on ubuntu studio?
[21:20] <rvchila> yep, exactly 10.04
[21:20] <abstrakt> rvchila: 9.10? 10.04? 32 bit? 64 bit?
[21:20] <rvchila> 64 bits
[21:20] <abstrakt> k
[21:20] <rvchila> with rt kernel
[21:20] <abstrakt> rvchila: try it without the RT kernel
[21:20]  * abstrakt actually can't see a reason that the RT kernel is useful anymore ... :/
[21:20] <rvchila> i will try
[21:21] <rvchila> but first i will have to learn how is work ardour
[21:21] <abstrakt> rvchila: i was using it for MIDI, but apparently it's better to just use ALSA for MIDI
[21:21] <holstein> the RT kernel crashes quite a few things i think
[21:21] <abstrakt> holstein: yeah it does
[21:21] <holstein> zynaddsubfx
[21:21] <holstein> lmms?
[21:21] <abstrakt> yeah it crashes zyn for sure
[21:21] <abstrakt> and rosegarden
[21:21] <rvchila> you mean rt kernel on ubuntu 10.04 ?
[21:21] <holstein> RG
[21:22] <abstrakt> rvchila: i mean any RT kernel
[21:22] <holstein> the RT kernel in gerneral
[21:22] <abstrakt> rvchila: the RT kernel is not specific to ubuntu
[21:22] <rvchila> for example, on 9.10 i hadn´t got problems
[21:22] <abstrakt> rvchila: fedora has an RT kernel available in Planet CCRMA
[21:22] <abstrakt> rvchila: 9.10 32 bit? 64 bit? 9.10 with the rt kernel? non-rt kernel?
[21:22] <rvchila> 9,10 64 bits with rt kernel
[21:22] <rvchila> i just did the upgrade
[21:23] <abstrakt> rvchila: did you do an "upgrade" or did you do a full/fressh install?
[21:23] <rvchila> upgrade
[21:24] <rvchila> i will try to install normal kernel
[21:26] <abstrakt> rvchila: ahh, i always do a fresh install
[21:26] <rvchila> but will i have to change the limits conf ?
[21:26] <rvchila> in case i use the normal kernel stuff ?
[21:27] <abstrakt> no those limit clauses don't affect anything
[21:27] <abstrakt> if you're not running RT anyway
[21:27] <abstrakt> it just gives your user *permission* to run as realtime
[21:27] <abstrakt> doesn't mean you are or have to run realtime
[21:28] <rvchila> ok, understood


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[02:10] <genii> This person who keeps dropping the last character off the end of commands is starting to annoy me
[02:11]  * genii thinks about !prayer and recomposes
[02:48] <elky> since daftykins is insisting on trying to undermine everything i say in -ot, could someone else help me stop this deviation into suicide discussion?
[02:48] <elky> s/discussion/incitement/
[02:49] <elky> or whatever hateball is trying to do
[02:50] <elky> thanks
[02:51] <IdleOne> Don't know how much it helped but I tried.
 http://stop-irc-bullying.eu/stop      thats a new one
[15:35] <bazhang> nor will dist-upgrade  I wonder why so many people get that wrong
[15:42] <LjL> because the name seems self-descriptive?
[15:43] <bazhang> wonder if thats a debian thing, or some other distro
[15:43] <LjL> it's Debian but it doesn't "upgrade to a new version" on Debian either. it's simply *meant* as a smarter way than simple "upgrade" for when you're doing some big upgrades that shuffle packages around, such as a release upgrade
[15:44] <LjL> so yes it's meant for dist upgrades, no it doesn't actually perform dist upgrades unless you change sources.list first
[15:44] <DJones> To me Update gives the idea that it updates software already installed, Upgrade suggests upgrading to a new version
[15:44] <bazhang> debian still relies on aptitude full-upgrade if memory serves
[15:45] <bazhang> yeah fedora has that
[15:45] <bazhang> !yum
[20:12] <Seveas> hey
[20:12] <Seveas> it's troll feeding time in -offtopic
[20:12] <Seveas> if feeding time is over, a kick wouldn't be too bad I think
[20:13] <Seveas> nevermind, he left
[20:18] <DJones> Hmmh, I think Seveas should be given the job of dealing with HFSPlus next time he trolls
[20:49] <lotuspsychje> hi i have a little request
[20:50] <lotuspsychje> i know the policy is not a trigger for everything, but a triiger for 'additional drivers' in #ubuntu would be very handy
[20:50] <lotuspsychje> as most users never check that section
[20:51] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[20:55] <genii> Hm. http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi doesn't seem to like two word searches. Like for: additional drivers    ...for instance
[21:01] <Unit193> There doesn't seem to be anything and Jockey also isn't listed.  Did you know you could pull it up with software-properties-gtk --open-tab=4 ?  Though, it's far less useful than it used to be.
[21:49] <LjL> DJones: i'm pretty sure Seveas has dealt with HFSPlus a lot in the past