[00:16] <wolftune> Help! Okular won't print!
[00:16] <wolftune> I searched online but didn't find a solution yet
[00:17] <wolftune> There's no error given, just click print and nothing happens. I can print to PDF though. And everything else on the system prints fine
[00:17] <linuxdude> hello
[00:17] <wolftune> Firefox printed the PDF but it looked all rasterized even though it is just text
[00:19] <wolftune> ok, got a terminal message about the issue: /usr/local/bin/lpr: 15: /usr/local/bin/lpr: /usr/local/bin/lpr.app: not found
[00:20] <Sir1786> mr0wl: where you from?
[00:20] <linuxdude> Does anyone know if i can change all the grey in plasma? Like in dolphin, system setings, and etc windows.
[00:21] <wolftune> linuxdude: the "grey" you mean the color scheme?
[00:21] <linuxdude> I guess yes
[00:22] <wolftune> you can just try different plasma themes
[00:22] <wolftune> "Desktop Theme" is the section in prefs
[00:22] <wolftune> under "Workspace Appearance"
[00:22] <linuxdude> All that grey  drives me crazy
[00:23] <wolftune> and you can download other themes from the internet
[00:23] <mr0wl> Sir1786: from the US, you?
[00:23] <wolftune> I like the nice black theme, Caledonia. It's by far my favorite
[00:23] <wolftune> Caledonia is here: https://sourceforge.net/projects/caledonia/
[00:23] <Sir1786> mr0wl: same
[00:28] <linuxdude> wolftune: thank you
[00:40] <wolftune> everyone, I got the answer to my question about printing. I had to do % mv /usr/local/bin/lpr /usr/local/bin/lpr_samsung
[00:40] <wolftune> worked now!
[03:51] <Watcher> Having trouble  with grub after  after installing Win 7 on /dev/sda1. I have 3 drives, sda, sdb and sdc. Windows is on sda1, linux /boot is on sdb1 linux / is on sdb5.. I've ran boot-repair after booting a live CD but I had my thum drive in and now I have to boot with the thumb drive. I've tried re-running boot-repair and I've tried manually re-installing grub. Nothing helps.
[03:53] <Watcher> I used the steps here "http://askubunt.com/questions/83771/recovering-grub-after-installing-windows-7".
[03:53] <Watcher> To manually re-install grub. It didn't seem to make a difference.
[04:01] <calwig> Watcher, just the perfect link I needed to install W7 after ubuntu, thanks
[04:02] <Watcher> You're welcome calwig. Hope it works for you.
[04:02] <calwig> s
[04:02] <calwig> Say.. Make it work for ya :)
[04:02] <calwig> Hoping is useless
[04:03] <calwig> ok just kidding
[04:03] <calwig> :)
[05:32] <nick__> hey gents
[05:32] <nick__> anyone know when alpha3 will be released? wondering if i should wait, or use alpha2, or use the daily
[06:14] <MiSJAH> morning all ;)
[10:05] <Capprentice> Hello !
[11:53] <LogicallyDashing> With compositing on, is there a way to scale a window when the application doesn't really support it?
[11:55] <LogicallyDashing> Specifically, shrinking a window (and also everything in it) locked at 1024x768 so that it's 960x540
[13:03] <administrator> привет всем
[13:40] <dieter_> hello: I'm having a problem reading PDF files. As much as I understand the problem arisezes from the fact, that I try to read a PDF file from a version > 10 which I downloaded from the internet. When trying to open it, it tells me that I need a newer version of Accrobat Reader, but there is no version 10.x available for Linux. Is there a way to read it anyway (alternative reader, etc.) ? And yet the problem may not be the reading itself
[13:40] <dieter_> such PDFs with Version >10.x
[13:40] <dieter_> hallop
[13:41] <dieter_> hello
[13:41] <LogicallyDashing> dieter_: Kubuntu comes with okular, which should read your PDFs fine
[13:43] <dieter_> Okular does not work on versions higher than 10, if they are downloaded from the internet, such as the pdf on "http://www.strassenverkehrsamt.lu.ch/nav_lnk_strassenverkehr/index/strv_formulare.htm"
[13:44] <AciD`> dieter_ > okular works great with those pdf
[13:44] <AciD`> dieter_ > and that is pdf v1.4, which is quite old now
[13:45] <AciD`> even firefox 19 can read those internally
[13:45] <dieter_> I tryed on three different installations, when I open the pdf (from various readers) it allway displays the same error
[13:46] <dieter_> even reading them inside browsers, as chrome
[13:46] <AciD`> something is wrong with you installations I guess then
[13:46] <AciD`> did you use the same liveusb ?
[13:46] <yofel> okular and evince both use poppler for reading PDF's, so it wouldn't make a difference which one you use
[13:46] <dieter_> most pdf are readable, but not the ones on the page I mentioned
[13:47] <blacklist> sorry inside kubuntu 12.04.02  is upgrade kernel ?
[13:47] <AciD`> dieter_ > with kubuntu 12.10 and kde 4.10, I can read those pdf without problem
[13:47] <dieter_> no, the installations are different ones
[13:48] <dieter_> so you tried on that page?
[13:48] <yofel> Blacklist: if you mean whether it has the new backport kernel: the installation image doesn't. But you can install it yourself from the archive
[13:50] <Blacklist> yofel: is possible gime guide for install the new backport ?
[13:50] <yofel> Blacklist: which KDE version are you using? 4.8 or 4.10?
[13:52] <yofel> Blacklist: try this first: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-lts-quantal linux-image-generic-lts-quantal kubuntu-desktop
[13:54] <dieter_> I'm using kubuntu 12.10 and KDE 4.8.5, and yet am not able to read those file on any of the three systems available to me
[13:54] <Blacklist> yofel: is very good thanks
[13:55] <dieter_> ... yet I can read pdf from other sites
[13:55] <yofel> dieter_: 12.10 has 4.9, so you're on 12.04?
[13:55] <Blacklist> yofel:  is problem is my vers. of KDE is 4.8.5?
[13:56] <yofel> no. 4.10 just needs a slightly different install command
[13:56] <dieter_> ... sorry folks, I just realised that some of the PDFs on that page are readable indeed, but try it with the file Nr. 12, and 12b
[13:57] <dieter_> sot try "http://www.strassenverkehrsamt.lu.ch/nav_lnk_strassenverkehr/index/strv_formulare.htm" and then the file indexed with 12 or 12b
[13:57] <dieter_> they can't be read
[13:58] <Blacklist> yofel: ok can you give me also the command to vers. 4.10KDE so if I upgrade my laptop I go direct
[14:00] <yofel> see http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.10 on how to upgrade to 4.10, but note https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1127476. I don't know what happens when you upgrade after installing the X/Kernel backports
[14:00] <yofel> needs to be tested
[14:01] <dieter_> yofel: maybe your right, where can I check wether I'm on 12.04 or 12.10?
[14:02] <yofel> open konsole and run 'lsb_release -r'
[14:02] <liudas> guys, have some problems with wifi: doesnt connect at startup, after i open network management applet checkbox "enable wireless..." is uchecked, clicking to enable wifi connects but checkbox stays unchecked
[14:03] <liudas> i use 12.10 + kde 4.10
[14:03] <dieter_> yofel: I'm on 12.04, but do you think it matters for my problem?
[14:04] <yofel> it might not, I was just confused by what you sad
[14:04] <Blacklist> thanks yofel
[14:05] <dieter_> ... could you do me a favor and see, if you get a problem reading the file indexed with 12 on "http://www.strassenverkehrsamt.lu.ch/nav_lnk_strassenverkehr/index/strv_formulare.htm"
[14:06] <yofel> ok, I do get the same message like you when opening those files
[14:06] <yofel> in firefox and okular
[14:07] <dieter_> so we have the same problem; which is good -- any suggestions as to try a soluntion?
[14:08] <yofel> not yet. I'm booting up the development release to see if that can open it
[14:09] <dieter_> ... by the way, I had that problem on other cases as well
[14:34] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[15:30] <MiSJAH> morning all ;)
[17:10] <mik_> hi
[17:11] <mik_> have a problem with kubuntu's audio
[17:13] <mik_> I have a problem with kubuntu's audio
[19:00] <genni> SALVE
[19:05] <genni> !list
[19:13] <harry_> hello!
[20:21] <CoJaBo> How do I disable the "freeze the machine if I accidentally scroll the mouse on the taskbar" feature?
[21:15] <goodtime> yeah i tweeked this plasma desktop awesome
[21:15] <shalokshalom> Hi there :D
[21:15] <goodtime> wana see shalokshalom
[21:16] <shalokshalom> I find only Version 0.9.2 in the repos from rekonq is this cuz of the debian freeze or something like that ?
[21:16] <goodtime> i think ive finaly after 10 years of linux have the deam desktop
[21:17] <shalokshalom> goodtime Wanns see your plasma !
[21:17] <goodtime> its like window7 mack kde plasma with a gnome setup lol
[21:17] <shalokshalom> Screenshot !
[21:17] <goodtime> its definitly a hibread
[21:18] <goodtime>  ill dcc a snapshot
[21:18] <shalokshalom> hnn ?
[21:19] <goodtime> hmmm
[21:21] <plank> hi
[21:21] <shalokshalom> Wanna accept and got technical challenges :/
[21:21] <shalokshalom> hi plank
[21:22] <shalokshalom> goodtime wanna try it one more time :)
[21:47] <juanjo> hi to everybody
[21:48] <Guest82989> sera a tutti
[21:49] <Guest82989> avrei bisogno di una mano per  riuscire ad acquisire video dalla video camera
[21:50] <juanjo> sera guest
[21:51] <Guest82989>  /nick gionnysssss
[21:51] <Guest82989> sera
[21:51] <Guest82989> mi puoi dare una mano?
[21:51] <juanjo> yo tambien soy nuevo
[21:54] <giovanni_> sera a tutti
[21:54] <giovanni_> avrei bisogno di una mano per  riuscire ad acquisire video dalla video camera
[21:56] <giovanni_> c è qualcuno che capisce di easycap?
[21:58] <DarthFrog> !it | giovanni_
[22:13] <goodtime> finaly i have this plasma kde desktop lookin bad ass and hardend to the max
[22:14] <goodtime> anybody wanna see?
[22:15] <shalokshalom> me ^.^
[22:18] <goodtime> pm shalokshalom
[22:41] <phiscribe> hardened as in security?
[22:53] <goodtime> yes phiscribe
[22:54] <goodtime> after 5 years of messing with many GUI's i finaly got what ive wishedfor right down to the  T
[22:54] <phiscribe> ok, lay it on me
[22:55] <goodtime> this kde gui is very costomizeable man
[22:55] <phiscribe> i mean screenshot
[22:55] <goodtime> i run ubuntu 12.04LTS ok
[22:55] <goodtime> but!
[22:56] <goodtime> i apt-get install kde-full\
[22:56] <goodtime> apt-get install kde-full
[22:56] <goodtime> *
[22:56] <goodtime> so then i reboot
[22:57] <phiscribe> im up to 12.10 when im booted into kubuntu.  im on lubuntu here.  12.10 has latter versions of apps i use in the repo's, so i dont have to live in ppa hell.
[22:58] <goodtime> the unity login starts and i click the ubuntu symbol next to the password entry
[22:58] <goodtime> it give me the choice of unity gnome or kde
[22:58] <goodtime> i chose kde
[22:59] <goodtime> it boots the kde plasma GUI
[22:59] <shalokshalom> phiscripe thats the same reason, why i dl kubu 13.04 now
[22:59] <goodtime> ha!
[22:59] <goodtime> while running unity lol
[23:00] <shalokshalom> goodtime unity is a plug in for compiz.
[23:00] <goodtime> 13.04  isnt gonna have updates long so i stick with 12.04 LTS
[23:00] <goodtime> its all debian base
[23:01] <goodtime> it all piggyback of debian
[23:01] <shalokshalom> goodtime i love rekonq and in 12.04 there is only an unstable pre version of it available, so.
[23:02] <goodtime> it work well in kubuntu shalokshalom
[23:03] <goodtime> its a ok web browser i use it sometimes
[23:03] <shalokshalom> facebook too ?
[23:03] <phiscribe> 12.04 wouldnt give me latest gimp or audacious maybe inkscape, so went to 12.10
[23:03] <goodtime> dont use facebook man!!!!
[23:04] <goodtime> its evil ok
[23:04] <shalokshalom> Current Version is 2.2 and in the repos is only 0.9....
[23:04] <shalokshalom> I know that ;)
[23:04] <shalokshalom> fumano.com
[23:04] <shalokshalom> alternative
[23:05] <apachelogger> shalokshalom: rekonq 1.0 is in the backports repository
[23:05] <shalokshalom> phiscribe U use a 64 Bit CPU ?
[23:05] <shalokshalom> apachelogger hnn
[23:06] <shalokshalom> apachelogger And is there a newer in 12.10 ?
[23:06] <apachelogger> 1.1
[23:06] <shalokshalom> Current is 2.2
[23:06] <apachelogger> 13.04 currently has 2.2
[23:06] <phiscribe> half and half two newer machines with 64 two older with 32
[23:06] <shalokshalom> Thanks a lot
[23:06] <shalokshalom> I know, cuz that, i try 13.04 now......
[23:07] <shalokshalom> Use Chakra for the 64 Versions, when u real love KDE ;)
[23:07] <apachelogger> the thing is... rekonq's usefulness mostly comes from the qtwebkit library and that is something you do not really want to change on a released software stack
[23:07] <apachelogger> can break all sorts of things
[23:07] <phiscribe> i find the rate of point releases to be well....insane  the lenght in between needs be cut in tenths
[23:08] <apachelogger> phiscribe: pointreleases of what?
[23:08] <shalokshalom> apachelogger Cuz that ---> Rolling Release ?
[23:08] <phiscribe> ubuntu kubuntu lubuntu about all distro's realy
[23:08] <apachelogger> shalokshalom: there is no rolling release system at this time
[23:08] <shalokshalom> I know
[23:09] <apachelogger> well, unless you think of the kubuntu ppa, which is really a rolling releaes on top of a relased core system ;)
[23:09] <shalokshalom> I mean, thats one ofmany many Reasons, to get one
[23:09] <shalokshalom> Good Idea ?
[23:10] <apachelogger> phiscribe: distro pointreleases are only new ISOs rolled from a more recent version of the archive, I do not see what reducing the release cadance would improve?
[23:10] <apachelogger> shalokshalom: no
[23:10] <shalokshalom> ^.^
[23:10] <apachelogger> the problem does not magically go away
[23:10] <shalokshalom> Yeah i love this:
[23:10] <apachelogger> you just have an exuse when shit breaks
[23:11] <shalokshalom> Bring a feature and then call it not an good idea.
[23:11] <apachelogger> shalokshalom: hm?
[23:11] <shalokshalom> Wunerfull
[23:11] <phiscribe> perhaps thats not the right fulcrum to point to.  it just seems to me making it new and shiny has replaced making it hardy and reliable.
[23:11] <phiscribe> my 2 cents is probably only worth 1/2 a penny.
[23:12] <shalokshalom> I wish me realy a rolling concept: REALY
[23:12] <apachelogger> phiscribe: LTSs are made to be reliable ^^
[23:12] <shalokshalom> Rolling do both ?
[23:12] <yofel> rolling is not hardy and reliable, no
[23:13] <goodtime> bill gates should just make a deal with linux and make a android os for pc's
[23:13] <shalokshalom> goodtime there is a android for x86
[23:14] <goodtime> microsoft games and everything work for it heh
[23:14] <apachelogger> the present proposal on the table suggests a never-freezing version which would get a constant flow of new feature versions and at key points in time (once every 2 years) an LTS release would be created from that
[23:14] <apachelogger> the quality expectations for LTS remain the same
[23:14] <shalokshalom> and bill gates isnt anymore by microsoft
[23:14] <phiscribe> i dont know enough about the development process.  but like with 12.04, i would be glad to use it.  but i can't get for example gimp 2.8 from the repo's.  something seems wrong in the whole process when an application cant run on the operating system because of a point release.
[23:14] <goodtime> right 2 years apachelogger
[23:14] <shalokshalom> U mean buntu LTS is stable -.-
[23:15] <goodtime> its the same as debian ok
[23:15] <goodtime> very stable ok
[23:15] <phiscribe> i should be able to run gimp 2.8 on kubuntu 9.01 or whatever.
[23:16] <apachelogger> phiscribe: did you report a bug ^^
[23:16] <goodtime> yep yep
[23:16] <phiscribe> if there was even such a thing
[23:16] <shalokshalom> apachelogger this concept is nice
[23:16] <apachelogger> ah yes, I see
[23:16] <phiscribe> no it was clear that they were not going to ever add it to backports,
[23:16] <goodtime> kubuntu is debia with a differnt GUI ok.
[23:16] <apachelogger> phiscribe: there is a difference in expecations I believe
[23:16] <goodtime> debian*
[23:16] <yofel> there already is bug 1002780
[23:16] <phiscribe> probably
[23:17] <shalokshalom> ke is too available on debian.
[23:17] <phiscribe> but gimp is just one example
[23:17] <shalokshalom> *kde
[23:17] <apachelogger> phiscribe: the target of 12.04 would be to provide a long term supportable high-quality system
[23:17] <goodtime> yes apachelogger
[23:17] <shalokshalom> apachelogger wish u see my grin now ^.^
[23:17] <apachelogger> as such pushing new feature releases is not something that would be considered an important thing
[23:17] <apachelogger> it's not part of the mission
[23:18] <goodtime> right
[23:18] <phiscribe> yes, but my expectation or want perhaps is to have stable OS with my choice of applications.  but somewhere down the line applications became linked in ways to the OS that dissolow this.
[23:18] <phiscribe> disallow
[23:18] <shalokshalom> We want both ;)
[23:18] <apachelogger> can still be done, just saying, there are some 20k applications in ubuntu
[23:18] <goodtime> you want a android os for pc's then heh
[23:18] <apachelogger> and at any point in time some 5 actual versions of ubuntu are supported
[23:18] <shalokshalom> phiscribe chakra do this ;)
[23:18] <apachelogger> so we are talking about 5*20k applications wanting developer attention
[23:19] <apachelogger> phiscribe: they are not linked
[23:19] <shalokshalom> They are kde centric and use gimp 2.8 in an stable OS LOL
[23:19] <apachelogger> phiscribe:  the thing is... they are considered part of the system and of the support/quality constraints of the system
[23:19] <phiscribe> WARNING im drinking rum.  usualy it just makes be vocal.  brown liquor makes me an ass.... (but this is dark rum not light)
[23:20] <yofel> shalokshalom: we have gimp 2.8 in a stable release too
[23:20] <apachelogger> you can still get a newer gimp (from a ppa) but then that version is not supported by the ubuntu community
[23:20] <shalokshalom> yofel in 12.04 ?
[23:20]  * goodtime smokes some sticky icky
[23:20] <yofel> shalokshalom: no, 12.10, which is stable as well
[23:20] <shalokshalom> Since ?
[23:20] <yofel> october 2012
[23:20] <apachelogger> shalokshalom: I'll ask you to stop trolling please.
[23:21] <apachelogger> phiscribe: did that make any sense to you?
[23:21] <apachelogger> support matters are really crappy to explain
[23:21] <shalokshalom> I was away from buntu since 2 Month and when im gone 12.04 wasnt stable, i think on updates now.......
[23:21] <yofel> it's just not a LTS release, so will only be supported till april 2014, while 12.04 gets 5 years of support
[23:21] <apachelogger> which is also part of the motivation behind the present rolling release proposal
[23:21] <apachelogger> (making things simpler)
[23:21] <shalokshalom> rolling release means infinte support
[23:22] <shalokshalom> infinite
[23:22] <goodtime> good work shalokshalom!
[23:22] <goodtime> i was going to say that lol
[23:22] <apachelogger> shalokshalom: that's nonesense
[23:22] <goodtime> 2 years isnt enoughf
[23:23] <goodtime> it isnt going to happen thoe shalokshalom
[23:23] <yofel> shalokshalom: with constantly changing software which means configuration migrations and constant UI and feature changes
[23:23] <goodtime> its just a good idea
[23:23] <shalokshalom> I wish me only two things together: Actual and Stable
[23:24] <apachelogger> latest X so that nvidia binary drivers don't work anymore?
[23:24] <shalokshalom> yofel There is one singel Part, i dont understand now:
[23:25] <goodtime> modules? apachelogger?
[23:25] <yofel> s/nvidia/ati/, nvidia usually has updates ready when X is officially released
[23:25] <apachelogger> goodtime: pardon?
[23:25] <phiscribe> ah well its mute point for me.  i use lubuntu on old machines just to have fast access to media point and a browser.  i think kde is sexy looking but i work with graphics and specialty printing.  means im adobe and corel so its windows or mac desktop not linux
[23:25] <shalokshalom> Debian has how many coders ? More than hundret profeesional who gets Money ?
[23:25] <goodtime> its modules in linux
[23:25] <goodtime> not drivers
[23:25] <shalokshalom> And ubuntu too ? How many ?
[23:26] <apachelogger> phiscribe: k ^^
[23:26] <goodtime> technical wise speeking anyways apachelogger
[23:26] <shalokshalom> I know tiny Distros, with less than 10 People, who GET IT !? Stable, Perfect Support AND New Software:
[23:26] <shalokshalom> So maybe they can do magic ?????
[23:26] <apachelogger> goodtime: modules aren't drivers?
[23:27] <goodtime> they are
[23:27] <apachelogger> what's your point then? :P
[23:27] <goodtime> they ant called drivers in linus
[23:27] <apachelogger> shalokshalom: stop the trolling
[23:27] <goodtime> linux*
[23:27] <apachelogger> goodtime: but they are drivers? :P
[23:27] <goodtime> yeah dont do that shalokshalom
[23:27] <goodtime> no
[23:28] <shalokshalom> apache that one question
[23:28] <shalokshalom> thats
[23:28] <goodtime> the reason some os call then that is because so many people run windows
[23:28] <apachelogger> mh
[23:28] <shalokshalom> How many Programmers work offical and unoffival on Ubuntu ?
[23:28] <apachelogger> goodtime: they are stilld drivers
[23:28] <apachelogger> they are implemented as kernel modules
[23:28] <goodtime> so some linux os call them drivers but they are modules
[23:29] <apachelogger> they could be implemented statically in the kernel
[23:29] <apachelogger> in which case they'd not be modules but drivers
[23:29] <apachelogger> you are absolutely right though, the nvidia thing is a module :)
[23:29] <goodtime> yeah i guess so yeah
[23:29] <goodtime> :)
[23:30] <shalokshalom> My Mum told me:
[23:30] <apachelogger> so... what do you when you have an X update for which you have no compatible nvidia module?
[23:30] <shalokshalom> No Anwser is too an Anwser ^.^
[23:30] <yofel> shalokshalom: plenty, but are you talking about kubuntu or ubuntu now? kubuntu doesn't have a really large team
[23:30] <apachelogger> becaue in that scenario you have a piece of stable new software (X) that should go into the system
[23:30] <shalokshalom> yofel Buggy is not the DE or ?
[23:30] <shalokshalom> How much ?
[23:30] <apachelogger> and at the same time introducing it would comprise stability of the system
[23:31] <shalokshalom> Debian and Ubuntu
[23:31] <apachelogger> or rather, it would comprise the reliability in that you could not use the nvidia module anymore
[23:31] <yofel> I don't know how many
[23:31] <apachelogger> s/comprise/compromise
[23:32] <shalokshalom> Dont get me wrong:
[23:32] <goodtime> i have missed this channel
[23:32] <apachelogger> and estimated 300-500 developers contribute regularly to the ubuntu platform
[23:32] <apachelogger> of those somewhere between 100-200 are doing so in a professional capacity
[23:32] <shalokshalom> Buntu create and support many positive techologies in the GNU/linux World, thats my Point of View....
[23:33] <shalokshalom> apachelogger So and why tiny Distros can do ist Stable AND Actual @ the same time ? Cuz they do a rolling release ..... ?
[23:34] <goodtime> i think so shalokshalom
[23:34] <apachelogger> there is no such thing as stable software...
[23:35] <goodtime> heh right apachelogger
[23:35] <shalokshalom> The Background behind the Point Release Development is of course  the debian Release Circle hnn ?
[23:35] <goodtime> i know what you meen apachelogger
[23:35] <apachelogger> what you get with a rolling release is two things .. a semi-reliable system with up-to-date software
[23:35] <yofel> shalokshalom: so why are you not using 12.10? 12.04 is for people that want stability and a system that doesn't change much (that includes the applications in it)
[23:35] <shalokshalom> apachelogger NEARLY
[23:35] <apachelogger> this is a natural result of basically having no off-shore development branch
[23:35] <apachelogger> what you use is what you develop on
[23:36] <goodtime> but i know someone who runs debian and there is no way you or anybody could evereven ping
[23:36] <apachelogger> so it is a primary concern that it remains working
[23:36] <shalokshalom> yofel Cuz 12.10 too have only 1.0 (1.1Backport) of my favorite Browser Rekonq, who is now in 2.2
[23:36] <apachelogger> i.e. if it breaks you cannot unbreak it easily
[23:36] <goodtime> hes a freakin ghoast and ill pick his brain one of these days
[23:37] <apachelogger> shalokshalom: 12.10 was released with rekonq 1.1
[23:37] <shalokshalom> WOW
[23:37] <shalokshalom> -.-
[23:37] <apachelogger> there is no pending request to bring 2.2 to 12.10
[23:38] <shalokshalom> apachelogger I anwser on the request of yofel
[23:38] <shalokshalom> Why i do not use 12.10
[23:38] <goodtime> it works on my pc i installed and i think it was a defaunt installed on my os rekong that is
[23:38] <apachelogger> well, it seems to me that you do not wish to use it because otherwise you would have filed a request to bring rekonq 2.2 to kubuntu 12.10
[23:39] <goodtime> default*
[23:39] <shalokshalom> apachelogger U write:
[23:39] <shalokshalom>  the present proposal on the table suggests a never-freezing version which would get a constant flow of new feature versions and at key points in time (once every 2 years) an LTS release would be created from that
[23:39] <yofel> shalokshalom: the releases are supposed to have working software, as new software always has a chance to break something it's first tested until a new release has it.
[23:39] <shalokshalom> Who one says that exactly hnn ? :)
[23:39] <shalokshalom> Sound great.
[23:39] <goodtime> it was preinstalled on my os i should have said
[23:40] <shalokshalom> yofel I speak about REKONQ ?
[23:40] <apachelogger> and yofel tries to explain why rekonq 2.2 is not in 12.10
[23:40] <yofel> shalokshalom: I do too, but the current releases are a bundled set of tested software which is verified to work
[23:40] <shalokshalom> KDE is the most uprising DE and Rekonq the Primary Internet Browser ?
[23:41] <yofel> adding even one new version has chances to disrupt that
[23:41] <apachelogger> technically konqueror is the browser of the KDE software collection
[23:41] <shalokshalom> yofel I understand and cuz that, for the fifth time:
[23:41] <shalokshalom> Rolling Release
[23:41] <yofel> so it needs someone to do extensive testing - want to do it?
[23:41] <goodtime> yes yofel because linux is a bunch of geek progrhammers that are constantly working on thing hence the whole open sourse theory right?
[23:41] <paul_> hello all
[23:41] <shalokshalom> apachelogger not in kubuntu
[23:41] <apachelogger> yeah
[23:41] <apachelogger> paul_: hi
[23:42] <yofel> goodtime: if that were right we would all be using gentoo ^^
[23:42] <goodtime> okay heh
[23:42] <shalokshalom> and konqueror and rekonq use same parts of it, so the development gets nearly in one hand....
[23:42] <shalokshalom> hey paul
[23:43] <shalokshalom> yofel i dl 13.03 now and test it
[23:43] <shalokshalom> 13.04
[23:43] <goodtime> yofel: iwas just refering to what you said " the releases are supposed to have working software, as new software always has a chance to break something it's first tested until a new release has it.
[23:44] <shalokshalom> Confused by using openSUSE ^.^
[23:44] <yofel> shalokshalom: the *current* ubuntu philosophy is to value stability for officially released software. Thanks to that the procedures to update something in the stable release implies a lot of "paperwork"
[23:44] <goodtime> '
[23:44] <shalokshalom> yofel in Theory
[23:44]  * apachelogger pokes yofel
[23:44] <yofel> sure rekonq *can* be put into the backports for 12.10, you just need to find someone that has the time for it
[23:44] <shalokshalom> I cant see that kind of Stabiliy, what i wish.
[23:45]  * yofel pokes back
[23:45] <goodtime> run unix then shalokshalom lol
[23:45] <goodtime> or a old vax machine
[23:45] <shalokshalom> yofel Thats what i mean: 200 offical devs and no one finds the time to do this: For the Browser of the most growing DE: Thats crazy
[23:46] <goodtime> if you want super stable shalokshalom
[23:46] <goodtime> unix
[23:46] <yofel> if you say so... *k*ubuntu doesn't have 200-or-so devs though
[23:46] <shalokshalom> yofel Maybe it should
[23:47] <goodtime> it be cool
[23:47] <goodtime> i would be cool
[23:47] <yofel> sure it should, help is always welcome!
[23:47] <shalokshalom> I think its simply a crazy method, whats going on with unity.....
[23:47]  * goodtime is listening to Juke Joint Jezebel (Single Mix) by KMFDM on Greatest Shit [Audacious]
[23:48] <shalokshalom> Not cuz the design: Cuz the tech behind that.......
[23:48] <shalokshalom> Without Blue system kubuntu will collapse hnn ?
[23:49] <shalokshalom> Why they do not use the Unity Design in KDE and force all there Programmers, Maintainers and Packeters on qt and kde ?
[23:49] <shalokshalom> NOPE
[23:50] <shalokshalom> They integrate Unity IN Compiz ???? How crazy is that.
[23:51] <shalokshalom> Only cuz they scared, to switch away from GNOME..
[23:51] <goodtime> Gnome is stable man
[23:52] <goodtime> thats why plus all the years of gnome work
[23:52] <apachelogger> you might want to carry this to #kubuntu-offtopic
[23:58] <goodtime> sorry apachelogger