[11:37] <melazyboy> |QuaD-: bah
[11:37] <|QuaD-> :)
[11:38] <jelajah> quit
[11:41] <|QuaD-> bob2: i toggled the passive and getting 450kb/s
[11:41] <|QuaD-> thanks
[11:45] <oscarh> anyone runnig hoary and knows why applications:/// doesn't work anymore?
[11:48] <ironwolf> oscarh: where are you typing it?
[11:48] <oscarh> nautilius
[11:48] <seb128> because the support for the vfolder has been dropped
[11:48] <oscarh> fileborvser
[11:48] <seb128> it was not working fine
[11:48] <seb128> the new system is better
[11:48] <oscarh> seb, so how do i edit the menu?
[11:49] <oscarh> sorry, new to gnome
[11:49] <seb128> you don't
[11:49] <oscarh> seb, wonderfull
[11:49] <seb128> that's been rewritten; that's a devel branch
[11:49] <oscarh> :)
[11:49] <seb128> you can add .desktop files
[11:49] <seb128> but you have no UI to do this for the moment
[11:50] <oscarh> don't like stuff on the desktop, but no worries, i like the console
[11:50] <maz1977> hi all
[11:50] <maz1977> I have a question about my winmodem
[11:50] <|QuaD-> seb128: what happened? i am lost
[11:50] <seb128> ?
[11:51] <bluewheel> maz1977, good chance it will cause hell
[11:51] <maz1977> the device manager tool has find a modem
[11:51] <|QuaD-> restate your message in 1 easy to read msg
[11:51] <maz1977> on which device I can find it??'
[11:52] <seb128> ??
[11:52] <|QuaD-> ok never mind then
[11:52] <cenerentola> hi there.... hi seb128
[11:52] <seb128> I don't understand the question
[11:52] <|QuaD-> seb128: did you need help
[11:52] <seb128> morning
[11:52] <seb128> no, I don't need any help, why ?
[11:53] <maz1977> seb128 are you talkin to me?
[11:53] <|QuaD-> seb128: i thouhgt you did
[11:53] <|QuaD-> sorry
[11:53] <maz1977> I would like to make a link like ln -s /dev/??? /dev/modem
[11:54] <seb128> maz1977, no, I'm talking with the guy with a weird char in the start of his name :p
[11:55] <maz1977> none can help me?
[12:05] <qazwer> I want install a server,what's better of debian or ubuntu?
[12:06] <|QuaD-> qazwer: debian stable
[12:07] <qazwer> thanks
[12:07] <linux_galore> seen a few people ask about Ubuntu as a server......time to make a server release
[12:07] <|QuaD-> qazwer: i actually think the developers reccomend against ubuntu for servers
[12:08] <daniels> |QuaD|: no, we absolutely do not
[12:08] <daniels> linux_galore: why would we want a separate 'server release'?
[12:08] <daniels> we use ubuntu on all our servers and see no reason for anyone else not to
[12:09] <daniels> boot with 'linux custom' in the installer and you won't get gnome or anything
[12:09] <linux_galore> daniels: why not..... if people want to pay for it
[12:09] <cenerentola> linux_galore free as in freedom and free as in beer
[12:09] <linux_galore> who needs a desktop with a server all you need is a nice admin interface vie the LAN
[12:10] <daniels> linux_galore: 'linux custom', you don't get gnome installed
[12:10] <|QuaD-> daniels: i am sorry for the confusion, i thought you reccomend agaoinst using it on a server
[12:10] <|QuaD-> i guess i was wrong :(
[12:10] <linux_galore> yeah but Linux custom doesnt have a nice server admin interface ala SLE9 by Novel
[12:10] <|QuaD-> linux_galore: so use sle8
[12:10] <|QuaD-> *sle9
[12:11] <qazwer> i like ubuntu ,i always use it on my work pc.i want install it on my server.
[12:11] <linux_galore> |QuaD| were I work thats a "your fired" response
[12:12] <bluewheel> linux_galore, I love the acceptance they have for new things :-)
[12:12] <qazwer> but has not webadmin ?
[12:12] <__learner__> does anyone here have EPSXE working under ubuntu?
[12:12] <linux_galore> to say Linux only exists on the desktop and go away if you want anything else is to me very narrow
[12:13] <bluewheel> linux_galore, I thought linux's main use was on servers in the enterprise
[12:14] <arctick> anyone who wants a REAL stable server uses bsd though
[12:14] <womble> Is there a dockable dialup management thing for Warty that I can give to ordinary users to control their PPP connection?
[12:15] <linux_galore> bluewheel: yes and there are now companies that make server releases to match the desktop releases......you know its like saying ooh you can buy a family car but we dont do anything but family cars.......your dead in the water
[12:15] <daniels> you don't need separate server and desktop releases
[12:15] <linux_galore> pffft Ive got BSD servers that do just as good a dummy spit as Linux
[12:16] <daniels> (distro wars are off topic)
[12:16] <qazwer> yes, I don't think  separate server and desktop releases
[12:16] <bluewheel> see i've only run Linux on my home machines and my work desktop, I managed to get one work server to used Linux for a file server because win2k crashed too much and they were pull out hair
[12:16] <arctick> i dont think that analogy works with OOS
[12:16] <linux_galore> I know so have a desktop server selector in the install under expert
[12:16] <arctick> oss rather
[12:17] <linux_galore> I cant see a distro doing a good desktop and server from a single CD
[12:17] <arctick> there are lots of custom-target distros that do quite well, look at knoppix
[12:18] <linux_galore> yes but say Im a corp with $$$ and Im like OK nice desktop but do you have a server option.......ooh use the same CD....eeer yeah right......Hello Mr Novell do you have a server to go with your desktop
[12:18] <arctick> and the number of cds is pretty irrelevant when you have apt
[12:18] <bluewheel> i am sure i will get canned for saying this but Solaris is a good out of the box Server OS
[12:19] <qazwer> My english not good.sorry.I'm from china.
[12:19] <linux_galore> not everyone wants a free ride some people are happy to pay for the extra's
[12:19] <bluewheel> housetier, someone had to do it :-)
[12:19] <housetier> :)
[12:19] <bluewheel> qazwer, where in china ?
[12:19] <Kamion> FYI, I renamed the 'custom' option to 'server' earlier today to drive home the point that it's perfectly reasonable to use Ubuntu as a server
[12:19] <qazwer> guangdong
[12:20] <bluewheel> qazwer, ahh ok have a friend in Bejing at the moment
[12:20] <linux_galore> Kamion: yeah but your not going to have apache mysql and php and a few mail server options squished into that single CD
[12:21] <qazwer> hehe,3q,but how to only to say you?
[12:21] <bluewheel> I think there is a need for server / desktop products to be differant, if for no other reason than we accept more failure on our desktop
[12:22] <bluewheel> a server though needs a seperate toobox to interface with since it is locked away somewhere deep in the depths
[12:22] <linux_galore> yes and the server rig can be a good money earner
[12:22] <Kamion> linux_galore: sure, but that's ok, you can get them from the network totally trivially. people installing servers will be picking their own package sets anyway.
[12:23] <daniels> if GNOME crashes, that has no effect on your web server
[12:23] <bluewheel> linux_galore, and there is that, I mean people don't mind paying for a server OS and if it undercuts windows then it is very viable option for TCO
[12:23] <daniels> there's no reason to say 'let's make something stable for our servers and it's OK, our desktops can be complete crap'
[12:23] <linux_galore> Kamion: I can do that with Novell too but II dont get the Enterprise server rig for that reason i get it because everything on the CD works together very well
[12:24] <bluewheel> daniels, but people accept it, it does not mean they will look at deiban stable, it has a very good version of gnome
[12:24] <Kamion> everything in Ubuntu main should work together just as well as everything on the CD
[12:24] <bluewheel> as in it's stable as hell
[12:24] <__learner__> where is the folder where the page should be in apache for linux? How can I change that?
[12:25] <arctick> i cant see Ubuntu or Debian taking any market share away from rh or novell anytime soon... the thing is people want proven stable packages
[12:25] <linux_galore> Kamion:  I dont want a desktop Ive already done that....now I want a dedicated server solution
[12:25] <arctick> plus a big name
[12:25] <Kamion> linux_galore: I wasn't contradicting that in the slightest
[12:25] <bluewheel> arctick, yea and peope also want to pay for software that comes from a nice big company who will certify and support it
[12:25] <bob2> __learner__: /var/www/
[12:25] <__learner__> tx a lot
[12:25] <linux_galore> Kamion: as soon as the customer install either red hat or Novell guess whats happens........both of those companies will throw in a 12 month desktop install for free....bye bye Ubuntu
[12:26] <Kamion> the guy who runs all our servers doesn't want his distribution to pick the set of packages though; he wants to select them by hand and have them be the minimal possible selection to reduce security exposure
[12:26] <Kamion> linux_galore: our releases are all supported for 18 months and we'll be doing longer-term support options too.
[12:26] <qazwer> if I set LC_ALL=zh_CN,I want save filename by zh_CN not UTF8, how can i do it?
[12:26] <arctick> wow, sounds like you got an admin that cares
[12:26] <linux_galore> Kamion: you can do that with any distro.....you miss the logic of having a distro
[12:26] <daniels> arctick: well, we didn't just hire random people
[12:26] <Kamion> linux_galore: as a distribution developer, I respectfully disagree :-)
[12:27] <daniels> arctick: just picking people off the streets ... 'do you care about admin?' 'no, I hate my servers' 'come work for us!'
[12:27] <arctick> lol
[12:27] <daniels> linux_galore: as far as I can tell, your main complaint about Ubuntu is that it's free
[12:27] <linux_galore> Kamion: using your logic I may aswell go grab Debian because im getting the same thing anyway
[12:27] <Kamion> distributions are about large-scale software integration and support; they aren't just about picking package sets for you 'cos you don't want to bother managing your server
[12:28] <Kamion> linux_galore: you don't get security support over three release cycles with Debian
[12:28] <bluewheel> daniels, it's more than just free, it just works
[12:28] <daniels> linux_galore: er, no, Ubuntu and Debian are different distributions, with different installers, packages, hardware support, and package sets
[12:28] <linux_galore> daniels: no Im saying Ubuntu needs to go beyond the desktop
[12:28] <bluewheel> debian / gentoo / freebsd are just free
[12:28] <daniels> linux_galore: it's already there
[12:29] <arctick> ive got a server related question. when youve set up apache, where do you stick your websites?
[12:29] <linux_galore> nope single CD desktop for a server......sorry no go and Im not sitting around while I have to download a pile of packages missing on the Ubuntu "desktop" CD for a server
[12:29] <arctick> im going to try to learn php+sql
[12:30] <Kamion> if you're managing a reasonable number of servers then you'll have a local mirror anyway
[12:30] <Kamion> that's what all the server admins I know do
[12:30] <Kamion> since you don't want to download all the security updates a dozen times
[12:30] <bob2> linux_galore: so you'd be happy if someone generated cd images without gnome but with dovecot?
[12:31] <linux_galore> yes I just grab a server enterprise CD shove it in one machine bingo I have a mirror......no having to play with packages Im not sure of on a download.......also I know all the apps on the CD have been integrated into the admin tool kit
[12:32] <linux_galore> bob2: yes but also with the services/apps have a admin interface....ie a beefed up webmin/control center
[12:32] <bob2> hah
[12:33] <Kamion> that's what we're doing with everything in main, not just with the CD
[12:33] <Kamion> only integrating the CD is the lazy distro's approach
[12:33] <linux_galore> yes but no X....just a remote browser login
[12:34] <linux_galore> Kamion: you mean lazy as in "doesnt chew up time"
[12:34] <Kamion> linux_galore: like it or not customers want to install stuff not on the CD, so any sane distro will integrate that stuff too
[12:35] <Kamion> unless your beloved CD is *all* that's supported, in which case they're offering less
[12:35] <linux_galore> Kamion: yes but I dont want to work around a "desktop" CD to install a server....i want a server CD for servers
[12:37] <bluewheel> I must say that i am pretty blown away by ubuntu, it's bacome such a great distro in such a small time, gee what some backing with money can do :-)
[12:41] <arctick> the fact its based on debian helps a lot i think
[12:42] <bluewheel> arctick, of course but it's still very ncie
[12:42] <bluewheel> nice
[12:42] <arctick> i must agree, i switched from gentoo and im not looking back
[12:43] <arctick> i'd like to contribute something to ubuntu but i dont know what
[12:43] <bluewheel> yea i have converted both my debian boxes
[12:49] <Xophe> I have been advised to compile an earlier kernel than the Ubuntu-provided <IP_ADDRESS>, to see if the problems I'm having with my CD-ROM drive (mostly ripping CDs) are kernel-related
[12:50] <bluewheel> arctick, do what i do convert people, i've converted 2 new users through nothign else than showing it to them
[12:50] <superted> anyone running hoary here?
[12:50] <Xophe> is there a ubuntuish way of doing this?
[12:50] <Rattboi> superted, a lot are
[12:50] <bluewheel> Xophe, yep well it's the debian way but yes there are smart ways of doing it
[12:50] <bluewheel> Xophe, have you downloaded the source ?
[12:51] <superted> Rattboi: and its all good in the hood? :)
[12:51] <Rattboi> hmm
[12:51] <Rattboi> depends, I guess
[12:51] <Rattboi> what are you expecting?
[12:51] <Xophe> bluewheel: partly I'm wondering whether there are patched sources which should be tried rather than vanilla kernel.org
[12:51] <Rattboi> it's pretty good though
[12:51] <Xophe> I'm familiar enough with make-kpkg
[12:51] <Rattboi> expect instabilities at times
[12:52] <bluewheel> Xophe, i don't know about that i am running a ppc so my kernel is just d/l'ed source form elsewhere
[12:52] <bluewheel> i didn't use the ubunutu one
[12:52] <bluewheel> Xophe, tell the truth I don't even know what the ubuntu one is like
[12:52] <Xophe> bluewheel: well, quite; I don't even know if kernel.org is authoritative for amd64
[12:53] <superted> Rattboi: well is it complicated to downgrade afterwards if it gets too unstable?
[12:53] <bluewheel> amd64 might wanna try some user pages ?
[12:54] <Xophe> I'm afraid I don't know how to parse that
[12:54] <bob2> Xophe: have you filed a bug?
[12:54] <Xophe> bob2: no, because I don't know the cause of my problems yet
[12:55] <BockBilbo> hello!
[12:55] <Xophe> however, if that would cause a kernel for me to try to appear as if by magic, I'm up for it
[12:55] <Kamion> Xophe: we don't have any amd64-specific patches in our kernel, if that's any guide
[12:55] <BockBilbo> can anyone tell me how to recover grub??
[12:56] <Xophe> Kamion: that's worth knowing, certainly
[12:56] <Kamion> there're a couple of patches which touch that architecture but they touch other architectures too
[12:56] <Xophe> (the symptoms of this particular problem are that while playing CDs directly works fine, ripping hem causes cdparanoia to go "++++" and sound-juicer to go at approximately 0.3x speed
[12:57] <Xophe>  ... mjg59 said that there were possibly issues with 2.6.8 and .9 with ripping, so...)
[12:58] <bluewheel> BockBilbo, did you install a dud kernel ? might want to use a live cd and then fix your config
[12:58] <BockBilbo> bluewheel, is not that
[12:58] <BockBilbo> the prob is that i have to install win for my parents
[12:58] <BockBilbo> and it will erase grub init
[12:58] <Xophe> Kamion: I presume that this means there isn't a terribly authoritative place to go for earlier ubuntu-flavoured kernels
[12:58] <BockBilbo> so i need to reinstall grub after installing win
[12:59] <Kamion> actually, I tell a lie, there's one amd64-specific patch on top of another patch we've applied to add a wireless driver, but that obviously doesn't matter for the upstream kernel
[12:59] <Kamion> Xophe: we don't have a snapshot.debian.net equivalent yet, no
[12:59] <BockBilbo> bluewheel, what command shall i use in knoppix, for instace, to reinstall grub?
[01:00] <Xophe> OK.  I'll try to remember all the options to make-kpkg then
[01:01] <bluewheel> reinstall, not sure i know that editing the config will fix most problems, i run PPC so i don't use it much at all
[01:01] <bluewheel> i normally troubleshoot for friends
[01:03] <bluewheel> but i assume there would be some grub command that you reinstall the actual program
[01:04] <Kamion> grub-install
[01:05] <Kamion> needs to be run in an appropriate root or given the --root-directory=/whatever option (I think the latter works, anyway)
[01:22] <xevil> anyone having problems with USB periphials working only intermittently?  For example my Epson 2450 scanner will work at boot usually, then a half hour later, I get an IO error...
[01:23] <xevil> the silence is deafening... :)
[01:27] <bluewheel> cya everyone
[01:39] <bip> anybody has any experience runnin ubuntu on a iMac ?
[01:39] <bip> i tried sarge rc 2 net install cd on it w/out luck ...
[01:39] <bip> now i m gettin a ubuntu ppc .iso for it
[01:44] <candyman> hey, how does the ubuntu-live recognise and mount disks automagically?
[01:44] <gen> by auto mounting perhaps
[01:44] <wood1> bluewheel, what about the Access Database thing
[01:45] <bip> anybody use ubunto on ppc here ?
[01:45] <bip> not a single mac user around ?
[01:45] <bip> :-(
[01:45] <bob2> bip: lots of people do
[01:46] <wood1> So
[01:46] <bob2> but asking "does anyone know anything about $blah?" or "does anyone use $foo?" is not a good way to get people to help you
[01:46] <Kamion> bip: kind of depends what problems you had with sarge d-i rc2
[01:47] <hazza96> do many people use ubuntu as a server, like a samba or mail server
[01:48] <bob2> lots
[01:48] <bip> well a lot ...
[01:48] <bip> i got  broken dependency issue ...
[01:48] <candyman> I installed my desktop andgen, auto mounting? what would that be?
[01:48] <bip> and no usable x enevironement ...
[01:49] <hazza96> I installed ubuntu last night and i like what i have seen so far
[01:49] <bip> i have succesfully ran both sarge and yellow dog linux on iBook
[01:49] <hazza96> i will be trying it out on my server before using it on my client's sites
[01:49] <bip> but now i have got this ol iMac for free
[01:49] <Kamion> bip: oh, dependency issues aren't really due to the installer, so Ubuntu should be ok
[01:58] <rattboi> god, I'd love to find some old iMac for free
[01:59] <gen> a dead mac is a good mac
[01:59] <georgia> gen: rubbish!
[02:00] <georgia> sometimes a mac is the right tool for the job
[02:00] <georgia> sometimes windows is the right tool for the job, sometimes its linux on x86, sometimes linux on something like sparc, depends o the job
[02:01] <gen> which job? a blow job? /sarcasm
[02:01] <bob2> chill dudes
[02:01] <gen> no problem
[02:01] <gen> im reviewing for an exam anyhow
[02:06] <bip> mac r great machines ...
[02:07] <bip> find me <a ol x86 machine that still usable as desktop ;-)
[02:07] <bip> i have a sparc x86 and  some macs here
[02:07] <bip> and they all do something useful ;-)
[02:26] <ondrej> mm all
[02:26] <rattboi> yo
[02:34] <ondrej> I just wanted to say THANK YOU ... Ubuntu CDs arrived today :-)
[02:36] <arctick> im still waiting for mine :(
[02:37] <bip> i m downloading mine right now
[02:43] <strat50s> hi
[02:44] <crimsun> 'lo
[02:51] <VerTiCal> What
[02:51] <VerTiCal> ur
[02:51] <gen> what
[02:51] <gen> ur
[02:51] <VerTiCal> What's root's password on the liveCD?
[02:51] <VerTiCal> >.>
[02:51] <gen> isn't one
[02:53] <rattboi> ubuntu doesn't have a root user by default
[02:53] <VerTiCal> ...
[02:53] <sladen> VerTiCal: there isn't one.  Type   sudo apt-get install ...    etc
[02:53] <sladen> VerTiCal: sudo mount /foo/bar /mnt
[02:55] <rattboi> if you get annoyed with that, though, you can do "sudo -s" to be in root
[02:56] <VerTiCal> ah
[02:56] <VerTiCal> thanks
[02:59] <Keybuk>  Twas the launchpad meeting,
[02:59] <Keybuk>  and all through the ballroom...
[02:59] <GotD0t> Keybuk: is that necessary
[02:59] <Keybuk> GotD0t: the singing?  it's too quiet :p
[02:59] <GotD0t> Keybuk: hehe
[03:00] <GotD0t> Keybuk: only reason im here is i forgot to charge my mp3 player
[03:00] <GotD0t> Keybuk: and without it, it would be too quite during my drive to school
[03:00] <GotD0t> Keybuk: ok, its pretty much done, im out
[03:14] <aaroncuk> hi all, wheres the best place to get themes for ubuntu??
[03:15] <zenwhen> aaroncuk,  ~/themes
[03:15] <zenwhen> .themes
[03:15] <zenwhen> that is
[03:16] <aaroncuk> is there a site that has loads on
[03:17] <zenwhen> aaroncuk, ?
[03:17] <aaroncuk> can u download new themes from the web
[03:17] <zenwhen> http://gnome-look.org
[03:18] <aaroncuk> cheers, thats the ticket
[03:18] <zenwhen> :)
[03:18] <zenwhen> I thought you asked where to put them.
[03:18] <zenwhen> lol
[03:19] <aaroncuk> what do am i looking for, gd2 themes?
[03:19] <aaroncuk> sorry i meant gtk2
[03:19] <zenwhen> gtk and metacity
[03:21] <krischan> Hello everyone. Are there XFCE-desktop-experienced people around? I could use some help please.
[03:32] <krischan> Do you know how the panel of xfce4 can be kept in the foreground when another window is maximized? For the moment, I have to resize/move all maximized windows of a desktop in order to make the panel visible. That's bulky.
[03:34] <Grenshad> hi
[03:36] <Grenshad>  is someone have got problems with modplugbmp which is complaining about POTFILES.in and libmodplug ?
[03:39] <mousematt> any via unichrome users here? or C3 users?
[03:41] <Xophe> Hello
[03:42] <Xophe> I popped in earlier talking about building an older kernel
[03:42] <Xophe> the vanilla kernel.org kernel that I built panics on boot, failing to recognize its root filesystem
[03:42] <Xophe> (built from the .config that came with the <IP_ADDRESS> generic amd64 kernel
[03:43] <Xophe>  which came with Ubuntu Warty)
[03:43] <bob2> you'll need to build an initrd
[03:43] <Xophe> oh, damn
[03:43] <Xophe> of course
[03:43] <bob2> then screw around making it boot
[03:44] <PPCUser> Hello
[03:45] <RuffianSoldier> hey bob2
[03:45] <Xophe> however, in addition, I've observed something odd with this machine
[03:45] <PPCUser> Sorry, I've had a quick look over a few Ubuntu mirrors, but can't find a Live PPC CD of Warty... are they available?
[03:45] <RuffianSoldier> no
[03:45] <Xophe> any reboot short of turning the mains power off causes the bios to fail to recognize the hard drive
[03:45] <jdub> PPCUser: there's no ppc live cd yet
[03:45] <bob2> PPCUser: no, sorry
[03:46] <PPCUser> Alright, thanks guys
[03:54] <sid77> PPCUser: download the installable one, it is really cool ;)
[03:56] <Xophe> now, the initrd thing.  THat means I need cramfs patches, right?
[03:57] <Xophe> (also, I'm guessing that this isn't a good place to report minor but annoying bugs... what is?)
[03:59] <superted> Xophe: bugzilla
[03:59] <superted> Xophe: allthough the bug might be minor, it can bring down the user experience
[04:00] <Xophe> superted: right... but it would be nice not to have to go through the hassle of dealing with bugzilla for minor bugs
[04:00] <Xophe> does reportbug or bug do anything useful?
[04:00] <superted> i don't know
[04:00] <superted> you could maybe try and tell one of the devs about the bug
[04:01] <Xophe> they're annoyed enough with me as it is :)
[04:01] <superted> hehe
[04:02] <bob2> Xophe: reportbug routes bugs to ubuntu-users
[04:03] <Xophe> and is that a good idea?
[04:03] <rodi> so, speaking of annoyed...  I have one nagging problem left with Hoary, and after a little poking around on the forums and the wiki, haven't found anyone else having it...
[04:03] <rodi> My screen starts to flicker as if the refresh rate is incorrect every time I log in.
[04:04] <fabbione> Xophe: please report bugs only on kernels that come from us
[04:04] <fabbione> Xophe: do not send reports for kernel you compiled yourself
[04:04] <rodi> The problem being that this is an LCD (laptop) and one generally doesn't set the refresh or sync rate on them as far as I understand.
[04:04] <fabbione> Xophe: also.. out kernel is patched.. so it is pointless to use our config on a vanilla kernel
[04:04] <rodi> I thought it might help to install the binary kernel, but it appears to only be available for Warty right now, and I'm not sure it would help anyhow.
[04:04] <rodi> Any sugggestions?
[04:05] <Xophe> fabbione: ok: "my CD-ROM drive does not work for ripping CDs"
[04:05] <Xophe> but the point of building a non-Ubuntu kernel was that I have been informed that there are bugs in 2.6.8.x and 2.6.9.x regarding ripping CDs
[04:06] <Xophe> and before reporting a bug as a kernel bug (probably hardware-specific) I wanted to test this theory
[04:06] <Xophe> and I have asked here before about earlier builds of Ubuntu-flavoured kernels
[04:06] <Xophe> and was told that there aren't any
[04:06] <Xophe> fabbione: so, suggestions welcome
[04:06] <fabbione> Xophe: if it was such a big problem people would have reported it much earlier than now
[04:07] <murf> hello, who is member of ubuntu team members, there is no list on the website (or i'm blind) ...
[04:07] <Xophe> how many people are running Ubuntu on "IBM IntelliStation A Pro"s?
[04:07] <fabbione> so my suggestion is still report a bug (severity minor) with all possible details, including try more than one tool
[04:07] <fabbione> and not just "cdrip" doesn't work
[04:07] <Xophe> *sigh*
[04:07] <farruinn> Xophe: afaik, linux-source-2.8.* is the ubuntu patched source and kernel-source-* is the unpatched source, so maybe try with linux-source if you haven't already
[04:07] <sgarrity> I'm trying to install ubuntu on a G3 iMac - doesn't anyone know of any free tools to resize a Mac OS X partition? (HFS, I think)
[04:07] <murf> oh ... the correct question was - is there list of ubuntu developer members ?
[04:08] <bob2> murf: there isn't one
[04:08] <murf> bob2: so it sounds like anonymous distribution ....
[04:08] <sid77> sgarrity, never heard of. I know there is something commercial which do the wotk but I'm not too sure about it :(
[04:08] <Xophe> farruinn: sure, but linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS> is precisely not the source I need to try to verify this hypothesis
[04:08] <sgarrity> sid77: Yeah, thought so. Thanks.
[04:08] <bob2> murf: no, read the lists, it's pretty obvious who's doing it
[04:08] <jdub> hey sgarrity
[04:09] <murf> bob2: you mean mailing list ?
[04:09] <sgarrity> jdub: hey, I'm finally getting around to trying Ubuntu - I'm seeing if I can get it installed on my old G3 iMac.
[04:09] <sid77> sgarrity, try to format the partition, it's really worth :)
[04:09] <wezzer> good evening everyone
[04:09] <jdub> sgarrity: rad
[04:09] <sgarrity> sid77: Well, I only have the iMac for mac browser testing (I'm a web-developer).
[04:10] <rodi> hey wezzer
[04:10] <sid77> sgarrity, so go ahead and put that OSX dvd in to format everything ;)
[04:10] <trukulo> jdub, you have to say to me if you need something special for the conference
[04:12] <RuffianSoldier> Sweet - Ubuntu has KDE 3.3.1 (Havent tried it yet) I love KDE - just hate K apps
[04:13] <crimsun> well, hoary has mostly 3.3.2 now
[04:13] <crimsun> still a few metasets with 3.3.1
[04:13] <RuffianSoldier> Well - im running Hoary
[04:13] <RuffianSoldier> :-D
[04:13] <RuffianSoldier> I love Gnome because it works - but KDE is such Eye Candy
[04:14] <Markrian> FYI, never EVER mention 'Ubuntu' in #debian.
[04:14] <crimsun> they're just jealous.
[04:15] <crimsun> ;-)
[04:15] <wezzer> Gnome has better usability imho
[04:15] <b_e_n_z> why not?
[04:15] <wezzer> and it isn't so candy as KDE
[04:15] <crimsun> RuffianSoldier: gnome is fairly nice eye candy, too
[04:15] <Markrian> I just got attacked by like 10 people, accused of trolling when I suggested Ubuntu to a user who clearly found installing debian tough
[04:15] <RuffianSoldier> crimsun - I love Gnome
[04:16] <Qerub> Markrian: What did they say?
[04:16] <Markrian> Pretty much 'quit trolling', generally mocking me (?!) for using Ubuntu
[04:20] <mashu> bye
[04:20] <RuffianSoldier> anyone here running the latest KDE?
[04:21] <Qerub> RuffianSoldier: 3.3.1 here.
[04:21] <Qerub> (But not using Ubuntu.)
[04:21] <RuffianSoldier> IC
[04:21] <crimsun> RuffianSoldier: only konsole and konqueror ocassionally :)
[04:21] <RuffianSoldier> :-)
[04:22] <RuffianSoldier> both good K Apps
[04:22] <Qerub> amaroK and Kicker are great too :)
[04:22] <RuffianSoldier> ya
[04:22] <Synek> aterm & firefox? ;P
[04:22] <RuffianSoldier> KSIRC and Kopete blow
[04:22] <RuffianSoldier> Aterm rocks
[04:23] <Synek> heheh
[04:23] <RuffianSoldier> Firefox is a given
[04:23] <RuffianSoldier> whatever that means :-p
[04:24] <Synek> hm, depending on kde-stuff to only run konqueror or konsole? no thank you :)
[04:32] <ctr> is there a ubuntu specific ppc channel ?
[04:33] <farruinn> ctr, unfortunately no
[04:33] <crimsun> ctr: not that I'm aware of, but I might well be misinformed
[04:33] <farruinn> at least I don't know of any
[04:33] <farruinn> but there are a number of ppc folks who come here
[04:34] <ctr> k, I just wanted to know how 'stable' hfs+ support was
[04:34] <sid77> ctr, don't know, but you can ask here
[04:34] <ctr> I managed to mount the disk and unmount it
[04:34] <farruinn> ctr, I find it quite stable
[04:35] <ctr> but I fear reading from it or doing anything with it incase it becomes fubar'd
[04:35] <sid77> mmmh
[04:35] <farruinn> reading is well supported, writing is not so well supported
[04:35] <sid77> farruinn, no hfsplus?
[04:35] <sid77> on
[04:36] <farruinn> hfs is fine afaik, but I believe that writing to hfs+ is a bit buggy
[04:36] <ctr> ahhh
[04:36] <farruinn> but I haven't had any problems
[04:36] <ctr> hmm
[04:36] <ctr> so I should probably, to be safe, mount it read-only ?
[04:36] <farruinn> and you can always use hpmount if you're wary of ruining the disk
[04:36] <sid77> I actually write/read a lot
[04:36] <farruinn> sid77: same here, but I believe that it's one of those "experimetal" things in the kernel =)
[04:37] <sid77> I mount it in rw and do the work by the user root (to get around the user/group problem) are there safer way?
[04:37] <Hendrik_> who has experience with installing ati drivers?
[04:39] <bob2> you mean the binary-only ones?
[04:39] <farruinn> sid77, I tried setting gid=1000,uid=1000 once and it really screwed up the permissions on my os x partition
[04:39] <Hendrik_> yeah
[04:40] <Hendrik_> i think the main problem is my dual monitor
[04:40] <Hendrik_> <- 9800 pro
[04:40] <ctr> sorry about that
[04:40] <ctr> X crashed
[04:40] <ctr> erm, yes, so you guys use your partitions fine ?
[04:40] <Hendrik_> i have now only 640*480 @ the second monitor
[04:41] <farruinn> ctr, do you have os x installed on this partition?
[04:41] <sid77> farruinn, I only run a mount -t hfsplus /dev/...
[04:41] <RuffianSoldier> Xorg for life!
[04:41] <farruinn> sid77: yes, but then you have to do everything as root,right?
[04:42] <ctr> farruinn, yes
[04:42] <ctr> farruinn, I have a big osx partition and a small linux one
[04:43] <farruinn> ctr, _don't_ set gid=1000,uid=1000 when mounting the os x partition =)
[04:43] <farruinn> it will change the ownership on every file you touch
[04:43] <ctr> ahh
[04:43] <ctr> what do you recommend ?
[04:44] <farruinn> ctr, I'm actually still trying to figure out how to mount my hfs+ without having to be root
[04:44] <ctr> how do you mount it and read it as a normal user ?
[04:45] <SGC|Work> mount -t hfsplus /dev/hd? /mountpoint
[04:45] <ctr> k
[04:45] <ctr> how do I mount it as read only ?
[04:45] <ctr> so it wont be changed at all
[04:45] <SGC|Work> hang on, let me check the mount parms for options
[04:45] <SGC|Work> one lets you do ro
[04:45] <farruinn> in your fstab put ro as an option
[04:46] <SGC|Work> unless you're mounting it manually
[04:46] <xiximkopp> does anyone of you use an nvidia graphic adapter in recent hoary??
[04:46] <SGC|Work> mount -t hfsplus 0o ro /dev/hd? /mountpoint
[04:46] <SGC|Work> mount -t hfsplus -o ro /dev/hd? /mountpoint
[04:46] <xiximkopp> my glx doesnt work anymore :-(
[04:46] <ctr> SGC|Work, thanks :)
[04:47] <SGC|Work> ctr, no prob
[04:47] <ctr> And read only wont mess the partition up will it ?
[04:47] <SGC|Work> nope
[04:47] <sid77> farruinn, yep I do the mount work by root
[04:48] <ctr> hmmmmm
[04:48] <xiximkopp> anybody knows whats wrong with glx???
[04:49] <scizzo> xiximkopp: nothing is wrong with glx
[04:50] <ctr> Thanks guys :)
[04:50] <xiximkopp> did you update? tried glxinfo/glxgears?
[04:50] <farruinn> ctr, np, glad to see more people using ubuntu on ppc =)
[04:50] <scizzo> xiximkopp: I am using warty
[04:50] <tritium> xiximkopp, do they segfault?
[04:51] <xiximkopp> tritium, yupp
[04:51] <xiximkopp> yours too?
[04:51] <tritium> me too.  Hadn't noticed until you pointed it out.
[04:51] <tritium> Yeah.
[04:51] <ctr> farruinn, I left a space for linux and thought I'd try ubuntu
[04:51] <ctr> farruinn, so far so good :)
[04:51] <xiximkopp> nasty thingy...
[04:52] <scizzo> xiximkopp: no errors in the dmesg logs?
[04:52] <tritium> My menus still give me trouble, sometimes requiring a reboot.
[04:52] <scizzo> xiximkopp: /var/log/dmesg
[04:52] <scizzo> or something
[04:52] <ctr> farruinn, the hfs+ thing is great
[04:52] <ctr> farruinn, if I can be convinced enough I may even move all my mail over to thunderbird
[04:52] <ctr> and all my browsing
[04:52] <farruinn> ctr, excellent
[04:53] <ctr> soI use the same tools, email, bookmarks etc whether in OSX or Linux
[04:53] <tritium> Wow, I can't believe that the mixer_applet2 takes up 20MB virtual memory, or the clock-applet using 18.6MB.
[04:53] <ctr> ok
[04:53] <ctr> brb
[04:53] <farruinn> tritium: I know, same with trashapplet
[04:53] <tritium> I don't get it.
[04:53] <farruinn> it annoys me
[04:54] <tritium> That's ridiculous.
[04:54] <xiximkopp> scizzo, nothing in dmesg, module loaded, correct permissions...
[04:57] <xiximkopp> even tried to install the drivers form nvidia.com... the same
[04:58] <scizzo> xiximkopp: sounds like weird support
[04:58] <scizzo> xiximkopp: what geforce card?
[04:58] <tritium> xiximkopp, maybe something with Xorg?
[04:58] <RuffianSoldier> I installed KDE - and Ubuntu removed my loggout ability in Gnome :-/
[04:59] <RuffianSoldier> its mad at me
[05:00] <ctr> sweet
[05:01] <ctr> I changed my uid on linux
[05:01] <ctr> to be the same as the one on my mac partition
[05:01] <sid77> ctr, so you should have no problem to touch file
[05:01] <ctr> ahh
[05:01] <ctr> mounted it read-only for the moment
[05:02] <xiximkopp> scizzo, gf2mx
[05:02] <xiximkopp> tritium, i dont know...
[05:03] <xiximkopp> could be
[05:04] <scizzo> xiximkopp: hmmm...those I have had troubles with before
[05:05] <ctr> how do I play mp3's ?
[05:05] <RuffianSoldier> how can I add KDE into the GDM sessions list?
[05:06] <wezzer> ctr: sudo apt-get install madplayer0.8-mad
[05:06] <scizzo> wezzer: gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:06] <ctr> hmm
[05:06] <ctr> how come rhythmbox wont play the mp3 ?
[05:06] <wezzer> scizzo: ach, I'm bit tired today, thanks for correcting :)
[05:06] <crimsun> ctr: did you add gstreamer0.8-mad?
[05:07] <wezzer> ctr: as scizzo said, type sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:07] <xiximkopp> scizzo, i dont understand
[05:07] <scizzo> ctr: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:07] <scizzo> xiximkopp: I am not sure how xorg works
[05:08] <scizzo> xiximkopp: but the geforce2 cards I had to do some weird stuff to get it going normally before....but I am not sure now how
[05:08] <xiximkopp> scizzo, it worked all the time... until yesterday, when i updated...
[05:09] <scizzo> xiximkopp: upgraded from warty to hoary?
[05:09] <ctr> k
[05:09] <ctr> thanks :)
[05:09] <mas01cr> OK, for reference: a vanilla kernel.org 2.6.7 kernel compiled with the config from ubuntu's generic amd64 kernel (a) boots and (b) rips CDs successfully with at least cdparanoia
[05:10] <farruinn> ctr, you're setting up rythmbox to use your iTunes music library?
[05:10] <ctr> Another quick question, I have setup a network profile in the network config tool, how do I set that as the default boot profile ?
[05:10] <ctr> farruinn, yeah
[05:10] <farruinn> ctr, sweet =)
[05:10] <ctr> farruinn, yep
[05:10] <xiximkopp> when warty was stable... i run hoary for some time now...
[05:11] <ctr> hah
[05:11] <ctr> cool
[05:11] <ctr> you can, if you include universe
[05:11] <ctr> install ferite
[05:11] <ctr> it even has rc2 there
[05:11] <ctr> nice
[05:11] <superted> ferite?
[05:11] <ctr> http://www.ferite.org
[05:11] <farruinn> superted, apt-cache show ferite man
[05:12] <RuffianSoldier> can someone help me add KDE to GDM?
[05:12] <RuffianSoldier> its just for testing of the new version
[05:13] <ctr> can I play unencrypted .m4a files ?
[05:13] <wezzer> I don't know if totem supports them
[05:13] <wezzer> but mplayer can play those
[05:15] <svenl> Kamion: ubuntu warthy dog has the same keyboard bug as debian-installer fixed recently. It proposed me macintosh USB keymaps only while i am on a amd64 box.
[05:15] <carthik> RuffianSoldier, just apt-get install KDE, it comes up automatically
[05:15] <carthik> did for me
[05:15] <RuffianSoldier> I did
[05:15] <RuffianSoldier> and it did not
[05:15] <RuffianSoldier> :-/
[05:15] <RuffianSoldier> I need to test this latest KDE
[05:16] <Kamion> svenl: "Warty Warthog", not "warthy dog", please
[05:16] <Kamion> (or just "warty")
[05:16] <svenl> Kamion: released-ubuntu :)
[05:16] <Kamion> svenl: ok, we import fixes (semi-)automatically from Debian, so that fix should be in the next release
[05:16] <RuffianSoldier> carthik - do you know how to add it?
[05:16] <Kamion> we're up to date on kbd-chooser at the moment
[05:16] <svenl> Kamion: ok, just wanted to let you know.
[05:16] <Kamion> svenl: thanks
[05:17] <Kamion> svenl: I think I vaguely heard about that bug but it's good to know exactly ...
[05:17] <svenl> Kamion: the motherboard didn't like to boot from the scsi drive on the adaptec controller.
[05:17] <carthik> RuffianSoldier, in a minute
[05:17] <RuffianSoldier> :-D
[05:17] <RuffianSoldier> ty
[05:17] <svenl> but when i got the dvd-burner from my pegasos box, it worked, altough video mode is strange.
[05:17] <Andrei_V> How do I identify to NickServ from centericq ???
[05:18] <svenl> As for promise ata raid, u-i (?) shows individual disks, so this probably means if i install them, i will not be able to see them.
[05:18] <svenl> Will move them to via sata, and do software raid on them.
[05:20] <Xophe> Kamion: do bug reports generated by reportbug go somewhere useful for ubuntu developers?
[05:20] <carthik> RuffianSoldier, go to /etc/gdm/
[05:20] <Kamion> Xophe: ubuntu-users at the moment; it's not great ...
[05:20] <Xophe> is your dislike of filtering ubuntu-users for useful bug reports greater than my dislike of bugzilla?
[05:20] <daniels> Kamion: have you got anything already on the l-r-m udeb front I could steal?
[05:20] <RuffianSoldier> carthik - ok
[05:23] <carthik> RuffianSoldier, there ought to be another way, add a file called .Xsession to you home directory
[05:23] <Kamion> daniels: not quite, but nearly; mind if I just upload it when I'm done and you can rev it again after that?
[05:23] <carthik> one second, let me search for a forum link for you
[05:23] <RuffianSoldier> carthik - im confused
[05:23] <Kamion> test-building now
[05:24] <Kamion> Xophe: the main issue is that ubuntu-users bug reports don't get saved, and are liable to get lost unless they can be fixed immediately
[05:24] <daniels> Kamion: sure, sounds fine to me
[05:24] <Xophe> Kamion: ok, that sounds suboptimal
[05:24] <bip> what brought u all to ubuntu ?
[05:24] <Xophe> I guess I'll have to fight with bugzilla then
[05:24] <bip> i come fromn debian ...
[05:24] <bip> and it looks like it might be an improvement ...
[05:25] <bip> i like the fixed release cycle ...
[05:25] <carthik> RuffianSoldier, I'm sorry, but I cannot find a file I thought should be there...
[05:25] <carthik> anyways, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1211&highlight=xsession is a beginning
[05:25] <bip> and the way packager r bundled into logical groups
[05:27] <carthik> RuffianSoldier, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2920 is what I was looking for
[05:28] <RuffianSoldier> well - KDE might use different parameters
[05:33] <Xophe> Right, that's it
[05:33] <Xophe> I would like to report a bug against linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-amd64-generic
[05:33] <Xophe> and I really would like to help you folks
[05:33] <Xophe> but that package is unknown to bugzilla
[05:33] <sid77> anyone have tried hoary on a powerbook? last time I dist-upgraded I got a nice 800x600 xorg (which on a 12" is not really usable)
[05:33] <Xophe> (and my patience is beginning to wear slightly thin)
[05:35] <Fergi> hi all, i am a beginner, sorry for my stupid question, he he he, would you mind  to tell me how to install tex, latex, kile in ubuntu, I just install my ubuntu an hour ago
[05:36] <spiv> Xophe: Just file it against UNKNOWN
[05:37] <farruinn> Fergi, take a look at Synaptic in the Computer > System Configuration menu
[05:37] <farruinn> that is a graphical front-end to the apt package management system
[05:37] <Fergi> Got it, thx so much
[05:37] <netmonk> Fergi, check out this guide http://ubuntuguide.org/ , check for the Repositories section and then Add-On Applications
[05:39] <Xophe> spiv: where should I report bugs against bugzilla?
[05:39] <spiv> Xophe: In the Websites component.
[05:39] <spiv> Xophe: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Websites
[05:40] <Xophe> thanks
[05:40] <spiv> s/component/product/... I always forget bugzilla's terminology :)
[05:40] <spiv> Xophe: Thank you for being patient enough to report bugs :)
[05:43] <Xophe> having come from Debian's bug reporting, I have to wonder why Ubuntu has made it harder for its users
[05:43] <Xophe> presumably there's a corresponding improvement for the developers, but...
[05:44] <Tomcat_> What is a good address book apart from Evolution and Thunderbird?
[05:45] <sebas> kaddressbook (in kdepim)
[05:46] <Kamion> Xophe: only a temporary measure while we finish our bug tracking system
[05:47] <Kamion> Xophe: kernel bugs in general go against 'linux'
[05:47] <Kamion> Xophe: no, there isn't really a corresponding improvement for the developers particularly in the current situation
[05:48] <Xophe> oh.  oh well
[05:49] <Kamion> the new system when finished will have e-mail submission, and will (we hope ...) be a significant improvement
[05:49] <Xophe> from my point of view, definitely
[05:54] <mart> hmmm... hello. what is archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/hoary/array-1/ ?
[05:55] <bob2> test cds for hoary
[05:55] <RubenV> pre release for hoary cds
[05:55] <mart> and that's different to the daily builds?
[05:56] <RuffianSoldier> wtf?
[05:57] <RuffianSoldier> ok - I realized I did apt-get install kdesktop instead of apt-get install kde
[05:57] <RuffianSoldier> and now I cant apt-get install kde
[05:57] <RuffianSoldier> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:57] <RuffianSoldier>   kde: Depends: kdeaddons but it is not going to be installed
[05:57] <RuffianSoldier>        Depends: kdegraphics but it is not going to be installed
[05:57] <RuffianSoldier> E: Broken packages
[05:58] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: are you using hoary?
[05:58] <RuffianSoldier> bob2 - yes
[05:58] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: then that's be expected
[05:59] <RuffianSoldier> didnt they add KDE 3.3.1 yeserday bob2?
[05:59] <bob2> I see some 3.3.2 uploads
[05:59] <RuffianSoldier> ic
[05:59] <RuffianSoldier> i want it :-(
[06:00] <RuffianSoldier> anyway I can download the ubuntu .deb from the repos with a browser then install it from that?
[06:00] <RuffianSoldier> or anywhere I can get the ubuntu kde.deb?
[06:00] <bob2> erm, that won't help
[06:01] <emanuelez> hello *
[06:01] <RuffianSoldier> well - will this KDE problem be fixed?  I havent used the new KDE yet - i really want to
[06:01] <farruinn> RuffianSoldier: kde is a meta package, so dpkg -i kde.deb won't do you much
[06:02] <RuffianSoldier> well - anyone else have problems install KDE in hoary?
[06:02] <ctr> how do I change this nautilus back to the older school
[06:02] <emanuelez> i have a problem with gnome menus: i installed azureus so i added a new item to the menu as documented in ubuntuguide.org but nothing works. itt added the item but nothing happens when i click it
[06:03] <farruinn> ctr, preferences, behaviour tab, always open in browser
[06:03] <stuNNed_> hi all
[06:03] <RuffianSoldier> bob2 - im guessing some required KDE packages havent been added to the repos yet?  so KDE wont install...... am I correct?
[06:04] <emanuelez> RuffianSoldier, ubuntu developers are not really focusing on kde... i wonder if k3b works...
[06:05] <RuffianSoldier> emanuelez - I have known that for ages - my question is - since the latest KDE is in hoary repos - why am I not able to get it?
[06:05] <gangalino> I'm having trouble understanding how to share my RealPlayer w/ other logins. whereis doesn't even show realplay for other users
[06:05] <zAo^^> lo all
[06:06] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: I don't know, check the bts
[06:06] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: you can't get it because it's not all there
[06:06] <RuffianSoldier> thats what I thought
[06:07] <zAo^^> I had no updates for 3 days now; what is wrong? (standard sources on Warty)
[06:07] <mart> gangalino: how did you install it?
[06:07] <bob2> zAo^^: warty only gets security updates
[06:08] <farruinn> zAo^^: I know, isn't it great! ;-)
[06:08] <RuffianSoldier> zAo^^ Just upgrade to Hoary - I did - and it was easy
[06:09] <gangalino> mart: by typing "./RealPlayer10GOLD.bin". Follow the prompts provided to finish installing the player.
[06:09] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: please don't encourage random people to do that
[06:09] <RuffianSoldier> :-(
[06:09] <RuffianSoldier> ok
[06:09] <RuffianSoldier> I enjoy Hoary though
[06:09] <RuffianSoldier> :-D
[06:09] <gangalino> there's even a share directory in my home
[06:09] <xt> How do I change priority between alsa-cards ?
[06:10] <xt> I'm getting the tv-card-snd-device as first ;(
[06:10] <zAo^^> RuffianSoldier, I did 2. Failed in all ways...
[06:10] <RuffianSoldier> hmmm
[06:10] <RuffianSoldier> went perfect for me
[06:10] <mart> gangalino: I've not been using ubuntu for long, but in debian I was using alien to convert the helix player rpm to a deb and installing that
[06:10] <zAo^^> I need to open my RAW pictures in Gimp. In Debian Sarge I could...
[06:11] <farruinn> zAo^^: perhaps you need mrwtoppm-gimp?
[06:12] <zAo^^> farruinn, never heard of :) What is it?
[06:12] <farruinn> zAo^^: I don't know, I just ran `apt-cache search raw | grep gimp'
[06:12] <zAo^^> GIMP-plugin to support Minolta DiMAGE 5/7/7i RAW images
[06:13] <farruinn> is that what you're looking for?
[06:13] <zAo^^> I need Canon's. I did that 2 :)
[06:15] <nxvl> hi
[06:15] <nxvl> Ubuntu came's with Xorg or XFree?
[06:16] <farruinn> ubhuti xorg
[06:16] <ubhuti> xorg is available in hoary.  XFree86 is in warty.
[06:16] <bob2> warty with xfree86, hoary with x.org
[06:16] <gangalino> any neomagic soundcard users here?
[06:16] <nxvl> thnx
[06:26] <NanoTek> hey
[06:27] <NanoTek> ? Could someone post here the result of : cat ~/.bashrc
[06:27] <NanoTek> thx :p
[06:28] <spity> hi
[06:28] <NanoTek> hi spity
[06:30] <rodi> NanoTek: "No such file or directory"
[06:30] <rodi> ;)
[06:31] <NanoTek> Oo lol thx
[06:34] <tritium> sucks to your assmar!
[06:40] <spiral> hello
[06:40] <spiral> does anyone here use kde on hoary ?
[06:40] <cenerentola> never ;)
[06:40] <spiral> :-)
[06:41] <veshen> which advantages takes hoary over warty?
[06:41] <cenerentola> why are u looking for kde?
[06:41] <ctr> veshen, firefox 1.0
[06:41] <veshen> thanks ctr
[06:42] <ctr> ven: various other things, but I upgraded to hoary for it
[06:42] <zAo^^> farruinn, the Minolta way didnt work :D
[06:42] <veshen> have you got any problems with hoary crc?
[06:43] <veshen> sorry, ctr
[06:43] <bob2> ctr: what does firefox 1.0 do that 0.9.3 doesn't?
[06:43] <cenerentola> bob2: let's say is more trendy?!
[06:43] <NanoTek> re
[06:43] <Synek> much more
[06:43] <Synek> ;>
[06:44] <sebas> 1.0 has quite another 'find feature', IIRC.
[06:44] <sebas> No extra window anymore, but a wider status bar at the bottom.
[06:44] <Synek> indeed
[06:44] <bob2> 0.9.3 has typeahead find, too
[06:44] <sebas> Also some security fixes, IIRC.
[06:44] <ctr> bob: there ate various tweaks, my favorite is the better in-page-searching
[06:44] <sebas> bob2: I didn't mean typeahead, but a different find widget.
[06:45] <ctr> when you type you get a thing at the bottom
[06:45] <ctr> and you can jump forwards, backwrds, highlight words
[06:45] <sebas> That's not typeahead find, is it?
[06:45] <sebas> typeahead is the one *without* pressing control + F.
[06:45] <cenerentola> q lulu
[06:45] <ctr> think so
[06:46] <veshen> what other things are worth in hoary?
[06:46] <ctr> er
[06:46] <veshen> does it give much problems?
[06:46] <ctr> I think they use X.org's server rather than Xfree86
[06:47] <ctr> the version of gnome is more current
[06:47] <mart> veshen: x.org seems to work better with laptops (mine at least)
[06:47] <ctr> to be honest
[06:47] <ctr> #i installed warty yesterday
[06:47] <ctr> and upgraded to hoary last night
[06:47] <Kamion> mart: the Array CDs get some degree of QA; dailies are totally automatic
[06:47] <zerokarmaleft> veshen, you should be prepared to find certain things broken/mishaving in hoary
[06:48] <Kamion> mart: which CD were you using when you had to use mknod?
[06:48] <veshen> thanks zerokarmaleft
[06:48] <zAo^> lol ^^ laptop :)
[06:49] <mart> Kamion: todays daily.  anything else and it would have been more than just a raised eyebrow :)
[06:49] <veshen> so warty is more reasonable to work, and hoary to investigate?
[06:49] <ctr> ves: I have had no problems with haory
[06:49] <Kamion> mart: the dailies use udev; there is expected to be some device chaos, but I'd like a copy of your /var/log/debian-installer/* after the install to see what's wrong
[06:50] <veshen> ctr: which version of gnome comes with hoary?
[06:51] <ctr> veshen, how do I find out ?
[06:51] <zerokarmaleft> veshen, the latest 2.9.x release IIRC
[06:51] <veshen> ok, thanks ctr and zerokarmaleft
[06:51] <mart> Kamion: I don't know if there'll be an "after the install" on that, hang on, and I'll boot it again
[06:51] <veshen> one last question please, which is the best way to update to hoary?
[06:52] <bip> i think i have a brokem cd player ...
[06:52] <Kamion> mart: note that the node needs to be in /dev/cdroms/
[06:52] <ctr> I followed the instructions on the wiki
[06:52] <ctr> which, were,
[06:52] <ctr> setup apt-sources.list and then dist-upgrade
[06:52] <bip> if i pick the expert option in the installer , will it let me install over a network ?
[06:53] <veshen> ctr: thanks a lot
[06:53] <ctr> ves: np
[06:53] <suix> hi
[06:53] <ctr> I am on a ibook so I am not sure if that makes a difference
[06:53] <bip> im trym
[06:54] <bip> im tryin to install into a Imac ctd
[06:54] <bip> im tryin to install into a Imac ctr
[06:54] <mart> Kamion: it has worked this time!
[06:54] <bip> i dont know if tha makes a difference
[06:54] <ctr> kip: ahh
[06:55] <ctr> kip: doubt it
[06:56] <ctr> gah I hate writing documentation
[06:57] <lillo> hello
[06:57] <lillo> can someone help me? I have a problem
[06:57] <rodi> you don't have to ask to ask.  Just ask ;)
[06:57] <carthik> lillo ask and someone might help
[06:57] <lillo> ok :)
[06:57] <carthik> :)
[06:57] <lillo> just installed ubuntu on a SATA drive
[06:58] <lillo> my system has a SATA 120 GB HD and another 10 GB IDE disk
[06:58] <lillo> the SATA disk has a primary partition with WinXP on it
[06:58] <lillo> I installed Ubuntu on a new partition on this SATA disk
[06:58] <lillo> the install asked me if I wanted to install grub and I let it do it
[06:59] <mart> Kamion: very weird, I can't break it again.  Perhaps my laptop didn't reset properly or something, it's detected it twice on 'linux' and once on 'expert' since
[06:59] <lillo> but now when I choose to run Windows, it just halts and doesn't load anymore
[06:59] <lillo> how can I solve this issue?
[07:00] <Kamion> mart: udev and hotplug have some race conditions
[07:00] <Kamion> mart: I've personally seen problems I haven't been able to debug because they go away when I try to look into them
[07:01] <Kamion> mart: there's light at the end of the tunnel though: a udev/hotplug rewrite is happening that will apparently fix most of that
[07:01] <rodi> lillo: if you installed GRUB on the MBR, your Windows might be fuxxored :(
[07:01] <lillo> yes I did :(
[07:01] <RuffianSoldier> You can download a Hoary ISO already?
[07:01] <lillo> any way to fix this?
[07:01] <rodi> lillo: http://www.geocities.com/epark/linux/grub-w2k-HOWTO.html is a good guide
[07:02] <Kamion> RuffianSoldier: gotta test newer installer code somehow
[07:02] <RuffianSoldier> ic
[07:02] <rodi> I think you'll have to mount the windows disk, save whatever you can, then re-install, lillo.  Someone correct me if I'm wrong- haven't run windows in close to five years.
[07:02] <RuffianSoldier> so technically - Hoary is out
[07:02] <mart> what's the coolest file system?
[07:02] <Kamion> no, obviously it isn't
[07:02] <tseng> filesystems arent supposed to be cool
[07:02] <lillo> rodi, thanks. And I hope you're wrong and I can restore my install
[07:02] <tseng> they are supposed to work
[07:03] <tseng> ext3 works :)
[07:03] <Kamion> the ISO images are marked "Alpha"
[07:03] <RuffianSoldier>  hoary-install-i386.iso
[07:03] <RuffianSoldier> http://archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/5.04/array-1/
[07:03] <tseng> thats an array
[07:03] <tseng> very first pre-release
[07:03] <mart> tseng: reiser, ext3 and xfs have all worked for me.  I have to make my mind up somehow...
[07:03] <RuffianSoldier> ic
[07:03] <RuffianSoldier> PR
[07:03] <Kamion> RuffianSoldier: I'm aware of it, I built and published it ;)
[07:03] <rodi> mart: what do you need it to do?
[07:04] <RuffianSoldier> Kamion - you built and published Ubuntu? huh?
[07:04] <rodi> Kamion: hehe, "aware"
[07:04] <Kamion> RuffianSoldier: I'm the developer responsible for building CD images.
[07:04] <RuffianSoldier> aaaaaah
[07:04] <mart> rodi: store files? :)
[07:04] <RuffianSoldier> Im talking to a celebrety everyone!
[07:04] <RuffianSoldier> Kamion!
[07:04] <rodi> mart: are you looking for stability? speed?  fast recovery?
[07:04] <Kamion> dude, a number of developers hang out on #ubuntu
[07:05] <RuffianSoldier> im just being silly
[07:05] <Kamion> I noticed ;)
[07:05] <RuffianSoldier> I did find Hoary very easy to upgrade to
[07:05] <lillo> hummm, really, any way to restore the winXP MBR? This starts to look scary
[07:05] <RuffianSoldier> I had 100% success
[07:05] <RuffianSoldier> lillo - your the 2nd person today to have WinXP MBR problems
[07:05] <mart> rodi: as far as I remember XFS has relatively slow deletes, I think that's helpful for me
[07:05] <lillo> heh
[07:06] <RuffianSoldier> seriously - Ubuntu has bad luck with XP - it messed  up my 50 Gigger
[07:06] <JanC> sounds like good luck
[07:06] <RuffianSoldier> heh
[07:07] <mart> XFS is cool enough for now
[07:07] <zerokarmaleft> does fixmbr from the rescue console work?
[07:07] <JanC> 1 shot and XP was death
[07:07] <JanC> :-)
[07:07] <lillo> fixmbr? Don't know it...
[07:07] <RuffianSoldier> Why Ubuntu Why! I love yoU! Why did you destroy my 50GB Hard Drive!  :-D
[07:08] <njs12345> hmm..
[07:08] <njs12345> gnome-panel is kind of messed up
[07:08] <RuffianSoldier> explian?
[07:08] <zerokarmaleft> lillo, boot up the XP cd, and there should be an option for an emergency console
[07:08] <Kamion> Hoary has a newer version of parted in the installer, which may help with the Windows cooperation problems
[07:08] <njs12345> my top panel is just blank and doesn't respond when I right click or drag it around, while the bottom one works as normal
[07:08] <Kamion> (not Array 1, but dailies and the future Array 2)
[07:08] <njs12345> but the top one is needed to start programs, so it's kind of useless
[07:08] <RuffianSoldier> restart
[07:08] <zerokarmaleft> lillo, and fixmbr /?...since i don't remember any of the command line options
[07:09] <lillo> hm, ok thanks
[07:09] <njs12345> RuffianSoldier: if you were talking to me, I've tried that ;)
[07:09] <RuffianSoldier> :-/
[07:09] <lillo> later I guess I should NOT install grub on the MBR
[07:10] <njs12345> I'm using 2.9.2cvs041212-0ubuntu3
[07:10] <zerokarmaleft> lillo, indeed :)
[07:10] <zerokarmaleft> lillo, i keep XP on a separate disk
[07:10] <lillo> heh
[07:10] <zerokarmaleft> god i hate dual booting
[07:11] <Ubuntu> zerokarmaleft - Ubuntu added all 3 of my other OSs into GRUB
[07:11] <Ubuntu> I registered this nick hehehe
[07:11] <njs12345> lol
[07:12] <zerokarmaleft> lol, nick squatter!
[07:12] <Ubuntu> nick squatter?
[07:12] <Ubuntu> huh?
[07:12] <lillo> ok, going to try restoring, thanks people!
[07:12] <lillo> bye
[07:12] <rodi> good luck lifeless
[07:12] <rodi> heh, oops.
[07:12] <rodi> s/lifeless/lillo/
[07:12] <njs12345> how can I force the install of a specific version of a package?
[07:13] <njs12345> with apt, of course
[07:13] <Ubuntu> hahahahah
[07:13] <njs12345> I'm going to try downgrading
[07:13] <Ubuntu> HOld a gun to your computer
[07:13] <housetier> njs12345 apt-get install package=1.2.5
[07:13] <njs12345> thanks housetier
[07:13] <housetier> good luck1
[07:13] <housetier> !
[07:15] <Kamion> njs12345: (note that the version in question must be in one of the Packages files corresponding to the deb lines currently in /etc/apt/sources.list)
[07:15] <unperson> If you're installing a non-packaged library, where is the normal place to put the headers?  Would it be /usr/local/include?
[07:18] <RuffianSoldier> channel dead
[07:18] <unperson> eh?
[07:18] <RuffianSoldier> channel dead
[07:19] <RuffianSoldier> call the coranor
[07:20] <RuffianSoldier> hi
[07:20] <njs12345> hmm strang
[07:20] <njs12345> if I run strace on gnome-panel it stops on a poll () call
[07:21] <seb128> njs12345, killall gnome-panel gnome-vfs-daemon nautilus trashapplet
[07:22] <RuffianSoldier> Gnome robots owns
[07:23] <njs12345> seb128: that worked! woot
[07:23] <mart> I wonder if openstuff.net could be persuaded to do some ubuntu merchandise
[07:23] <njs12345> so it would appear to be a gnome-vfs bug
[07:24] <ionic> hey
[07:24] <ionic> i need help
[07:24] <RuffianSoldier> spamming?
[07:24] <ionic> how to make my nvidia card get accelerated
[07:24] <ionic> ??
[07:24] <ionic> im on ubuntu
[07:24] <RuffianSoldier> well - I dont see why you would come here if you werent
[07:24] <seb128> njs12345, yes
[07:25] <RuffianSoldier> DRI
[07:25] <Agrajag> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[07:25] <njs12345> well thanks a lot seb
[07:25] <njs12345> brb
[07:27] <ionic> i did
[07:27] <ionic> but wont work
[07:28] <ionic> ok its working now
[07:28] <ionic> thanks
[07:30] <darren> I know Ubuntu uses the .deb package, but I also read that it can use RPM, is this true?
[07:30] <alexissoft> hi
[07:30] <fulvioo> install Alien
[07:30] <Agrajag> darren: well not really
[07:30] <Agrajag> I guess you could use alien though
[07:30] <njs12345> yeah - I think you'd do something like this:
[07:30] <Ribs> darren: use .deb files whenever you can
[07:31] <njs12345> dpkg -d <rpm file>; dpkg *.deb
[07:31] <njs12345> oops
[07:31] <njs12345> alien -d <rpm file>; dpkg *.deb
[07:31] <darren> There's only a rpm on the sun site
[07:31] <njs12345> but yeah deb is better
[07:31] <njs12345> oh
[07:31] <Agrajag> for java?
[07:31] <fulvioo> get the .bin
[07:31] <Agrajag> darren: http://www.livejournal.com/users/davyd/125253.html
[07:31] <njs12345> see also
[07:31] <Agrajag> read that, someone made a deb for it
[07:32] <njs12345> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/wiki/Java
[07:32] <darren> If I install from the bin, Azureus can't find java
[07:32] <Agrajag> it works for me
[07:32] <fulvioo> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[07:33] <zAo^> does gimptool exist for Ubuntu?
[07:34] <Agrajag> hm, apt-cache search gimptool returns libgimp2.0-dev
[07:35] <Agrajag> maybe it's in there
[07:35] <tritium> man, gconf-editor crashes _every_ time I click on /apps/evolution/mail
[07:36] <marcellus> "It also includes the gimptool-2.0 utility."
[07:36] <zAo^> thanks Agrajag , I should try that first ;-)
[07:37] <tsk1979> ubuntu is build upon debian... right?
[07:37] <tsk1979> so apt-get is built into it
[07:37] <BeanDip> I have a problem I can't fix in hoary.  There is a file in conflict between the latest kdelibs package and the gnome-menu package.  I have tried apt-get -f install, apt-get -f ugrade, and pretty much everything standard.  I have tried apt-get remove kdelibs. apt-get clean, No matter what I try, apt and dpkg die with the following errors:
[07:37] <BeanDip> Unpacking gnome-menus (from .../gnome-menus_2.9.2cvs041212-0ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
[07:37] <BeanDip> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-menus_2.9.2cvs041212-0ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[07:37] <BeanDip>  trying to overwrite `/etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu', which is also in package kdelibs-data
[07:37] <tsk1979> i am a gentoo user, thinking about moving
[07:37] <BeanDip> can anyone help?
[07:37] <mart> BeanDip: the wonderful world of dpkg --force-overwrite
[07:39] <mart> BeanDip: I would try dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-menus__2.9.2cvs041212-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[07:39] <marsjays> anyone know how to get a 3com officeconnect wifi adapter working?
[07:39] <zAo^> great, RAW file loaded :)
[07:39] <zAo^> which chipset?
[07:39] <mart> BeanDip: it's a bit of a last resort option
[07:39] <marcellus> I used that last resort last night.
[07:39] <BeanDip> mart
[07:39] <BeanDip> no dice
[07:39] <tsk1979> does the ubuntu install CD(latest) support SATA natively?
[07:39] <BeanDip> now I get the following:
[07:40] <BeanDip> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of gnome-menus:
[07:40] <BeanDip>  gnome-menus depends on libgnome-menu0; however:
[07:40] <BeanDip>   Package libgnome-menu0 is not configured yet.
[07:40] <BeanDip>  gnome-menus depends on libgnomevfs2-0 (>= 2.9.1); however:
[07:40] <BeanDip>   Package libgnomevfs2-0 is not configured yet.
[07:40] <tsk1979> or do i have to first install it and then enable SATA support by rebuilding?
[07:40] <mart> BeanDip: dpkg --configure -a  or dpkg --configure libgnomevfs2-0
[07:41] <marcellus> Ubuntu supported SATA for me (Debian didn't).
[07:41] <superted> xorg says that my nvidia kernel module is version 6111 whilst my other is 6229, how can i update the kernel module?
[07:42] <mart> BeanDip: it usually takes a few goes to get everything to sit nicely
[07:42] <mart> BeanDip: particularly when there is a lot of interdependent packages
[07:42] <murf> there is no X in the installation cd ? it have to be installed from net ?
[07:43] <Kamion> X is on the CD
[07:44] <Kamion> as is the standard Ubuntu desktop
[07:44] <Kamion> BeanDip: might wanna try 'apt-get -f install' now
[07:44] <mart> murf: hazarding a guess, if you pick 'server' it might not install X
[07:45] <mart> murf: at the CD boot prompt, I mean
[07:46] <murf> mart: oh you are probaly right, i just hit the enter ... ;-)
[07:49] <Simira> lulu: I put up a UbuntuWomen page on the wiki, and added my article
[07:51] <taurex> just installed ubuntu just getting to grips with it, I'm a redhat/fedora user, where do I put the default gateway?
[07:52] <bob2>  /etc/network/interfaces
[07:52] <cardador> taurex: computer > syst conf > network
[07:52] <taurex> so it goes together with the ip?
[07:52] <taurex> cardador: thx but I'm text only
[07:53] <cardador> ah
[07:53] <lillo> hello again
[07:53] <lillo> I have another problem :P
[07:53] <HcE> How come there is no kernel-image-2.4.28-i386 and kernel-headers-2.4.28?
[07:54] <bob2> HcE: are you using warty?
[07:54] <HcE> only kernel-headers for m68k
[07:54] <njs12345> taurex: should look something like this - http://pastebin.ca/2983
[07:54] <lillo> in order to restore the MBR with fixmbr, I need to boot the WinXP CD... but I need the SATA drivers too
[07:54] <HcE> bob2: I'm browsing the pool
[07:54] <HcE> may be I'm that's blind
[07:54] <lillo> which are on my motherboard CD
[07:54] <Kamion> HcE: kernel-* is generally random crap left over from Debian
[07:54] <Kamion> HcE: our kernels are linux-*
[07:54] <HcE> doh!
[07:54] <HcE> right...
[07:54] <bob2> HcE: 2.4 is not supported on ubuntu, and kernel-blah is debian stuff, not ubuntu
[07:54] <lillo> I need to copy these on a 1.4 MB disk
[07:54] <HcE> *look again*
[07:54] <HcE> I need 2.4 kernel =/
[07:54] <lillo> but the problem is Ubuntu doesn't recognize my floppy!!
[07:54] <njs12345> HcE: why?
[07:55] <taurex> njs12345: thanks a lot
[07:55] <HcE> because of touchscreen driver only written for 2.4
[07:55] <njs12345> oh.. that sucks, I pity you
[07:55] <lillo> whenever I try to open a floppy, it says "unable to mount volume"
[07:56] <lillo> when I try the format utility, it says "unable to open device, program aborting"
[07:56] <HcE> njs12345: it's about 200 lines, so I think maybe I'll just rewrite the driver for 2.6 kernel
[07:56] <njs12345> heh cool
[07:56] <njs12345> I've done a little kernel programming before.. just enough to get my hands wet, but still, I was pretty proud of myself
[07:56] <HcE> but it's not my code, and I've never written a kernel module
[07:57] <njs12345> hmm
[07:57] <njs12345> HcE: put the code on pastebin (http://pastebin.ca/)
[07:58] <HcE> hmm
[07:58] <lillo> can anyone help me accessing my floppy? I have urgent need to
[07:59] <njs12345> lillo: does this work
[07:59] <njs12345> cat /dev/fd0
[07:59] <njs12345> you ought to get lots of random crap
[07:59] <lillo> heh, /dev/fd0: No such file or directory (!)
[07:59] <marsjays> i'm having problems with my home-brewed kernels.. they wont boot, i just get a message saying "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,4)"
[08:00] <njs12345> oh dear
[08:00] <HcE> njs12345: pastebin.ca really slow?
[08:00] <njs12345> oh ok.. there are loads of other ones
[08:00] <natty> hi everyone!
[08:00] <njs12345> try
[08:00] <njs12345> http://pastebin.uniformserver.com/
[08:01] <natty> i have a couple of probs i cant solve, can i get help with ubuntu probs in here?
[08:01] <marsjays> lillo, njs12345: actually, since ubuntu runs devfs per default, the floppy is at /dev/fd/0 or something similar
[08:01] <njs12345> oh
[08:01] <Kamion> marsjays: Ubuntu doesn't run devfs by default
[08:01] <njs12345> well, I'm using Hoary, so it might be different
[08:01] <njs12345> yeah, i thought it ran udev by default?
[08:02] <Kamion> correct, with traditional paths
[08:02] <lillo> humm, doing cat /dev/fd/0 does give nothing... I have to ctrl-c
[08:02] <Kamion> marsjays: the Warty installer uses devfs and the Hoary installer uses udev with devfs-style paths, but that's different
[08:02] <HcE> njs12345: http://pastebin.uniformserver.com/pastebin.php?show=27
[08:02] <marsjays> Kamion: ok.. but the path was right :)
[08:03] <Kamion> marsjays: only in the installer. post-install, it's /dev/fd0.
[08:03] <Kamion> unless I'm confused :)
[08:03] <marsjays> Kamion: not on my hoary system it isn't :-P
[08:03] <natty> ok i guess i'll just shoot :) problem: i want to connect my laptop to my desktop. they both have wireless, but i dont know how to add the wireless card to ubuntu after i've installed ndiswrapper.ie:how do i set it to recive(be an access point), and forward packets to the laptop?
[08:04] <lil_anthony> can someone tell me how to check a drive for bad blocks isn't hte command badblocks /dev/hda?
[08:04] <marsjays> anyone know why my homebrewed kernels wont boot?
[08:05] <natty> marsjays, whats the error?
[08:05] <Kamion> marsjays: there'll be a /dev/fd/0, but I'm betting that /dev/fd is a symlink to /proc/self/fd, which has nothing to do with floppy drives
[08:05] <marsjays> Kamion: hmm, ok..
[08:05] <Kamion> so /dev/fd/0 is the standard input file descriptor
[08:05] <Kamion> from what I can see floppies are still /dev/fdN
[08:05] <marsjays> natty: "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,4)"
[08:06] <natty> marsjays, did you compile support for the filesystem type into the kernel?
[08:06] <HcE> marsjays: did you compile your filesystem type into the kernel?
[08:06] <HcE> natty: ;)
[08:06] <marsjays> Kamion: ah, oh yeah.. forgot to insert the floppy module ;D
[08:06] <marsjays> natty, HcE: yes
[08:07] <Kamion> marsjays: heh
[08:07] <marsjays> lillo: sudo modprobe floppy; ls /dev/fd*
[08:08] <darren> I installed jre from the bin file, but it installed it to my home dir. Where's it supposed to be installed?
[08:08] <lillo> heh, now it's reading it
[08:08] <lillo> why the hell is the floppy module not loaded at startup?
[08:09] <pepsi_> whats a floppy?
[08:09] <pepsi_> ;)
[08:09] <natty> marsjays, tbh i dont know any other reason for that error, i've only got that when i've not put reister in the kernel and tried to boot
[08:09] <marsjays> pepsi_: hehe
[08:09] <lillo> thanks a lot btw :)
[08:09] <natty> or double check you put ide support in there too
[08:10] <marsjays> lillo: if you want to load the floppy module at boot, just add it to /etc/modules
[08:10] <njs12345> HcE: fixed one build error :)
[08:10] <njs12345> only 7 left..
[08:10] <HcE> hey
[08:11] <lillo> marsjays, tnx, I'll keep it in mind
[08:11] <alexissoft> warty => hoary pfiiioouuuuu
[08:11] <alexissoft> hard :)
[08:11] <HcE> njs12345: is it tricky work, or easy doable?
[08:12] <njs12345> the first one was really easy, but the next ones look a bit harder
[08:12] <HcE> ok
[08:13] <njs12345> the first one is in the line
[08:14] <njs12345>  if (usb_submit_urb(&mydev->readurb))
[08:14] <njs12345> I looked up usb_submit_urb on lxr.linux.no and it's got a new argument, of which the default seems to be GFP_KERNEL, so just used that
[08:15] <njs12345> changed it to
[08:15] <njs12345>         if (usb_submit_urb(&mydev->readurb, GFP_KERNEL))
[08:15] <HcE> ok *make mental note*
[08:16] <titanfox> hello. I want to know how I can download and configure a linux kernel for Ubuntu
[08:17] <titanfox> I want to install <IP_ADDRESS>-k7. Downloading is not a problem, but I also want to edit the settings
[08:17] <cenerentola> carlos: buenas noche de puta madre
[08:17] <Agrajag|gone> that's not very nice
[08:17] <carlos> cenerentola: you need to learn more words :-P
[08:17] <titanfox> or how do I configure a existing ubuntu installation ?
[08:18] <titanfox> it loads a wrong driver for my scsi board
[08:18] <titanfox> err. module
[08:18] <cenerentola> carlos: will u be my teacher... nasty teacher?
[08:18] <cenerentola> carlos: obviously joking, dont misunderstand anything
[08:18] <carlos> cenerentola: ;-)
[08:18] <carlos> don't worry
[08:19] <njs12345> ok
[08:19] <njs12345> HcE: found the next few errors :)
[08:19] <HcE> hihi
[08:20] <HcE> njs12345: nice...
[08:20] <HcE> lack of words
[08:22] <craig_> Hey Ogra, I was told to ask you about Mr Burns on the forum.. http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=6708&page=2&pp=10 is this your project?
[08:22] <noirequus> howdy
[08:23] <njs12345> ok
[08:23] <njs12345> HcE: I've got it to build
[08:24] <HcE> njs12345: nice =)
[08:24] <njs12345> but I dunno if it'll run
[08:24] <noirequus> anybody got powerpc experience?
[08:24] <HcE> hehe, I'll be able to test i tomorrow I hope
[08:24] <HcE> the touchscreens are at work
[08:24] <njs12345> do you want the source code?
[08:25] <HcE> njs12345: that would be excellent
[08:25] <njs12345> ok
[08:25] <tritium> Anybody else experience gconf-editor crashing if you try to open /apps/evolution/mail ?
[08:25] <tritium> (in Hoary)
[08:25] <njs12345> now, there are few "assignment from incompatible pointer type errors" that may well cause it to segfault/etc
[08:25] <njs12345> I'll try fixing them
[08:26] <HcE> ok (=
[08:26] <njs12345> http://pastebin.uniformserver.com/pastebin.php?show=28
[08:26] <njs12345> for the time being, that's my buildable source
[08:28] <ctw> Hi everybody! Does anyone here know if I can install ubunto on an apple ibook with a G3 processor (the information on the ubuntu website suggest that ubuntu requires G4 or G5, but the wording is not entirely clear)
[08:28] <zerokarmaleft> omg, lillo
[08:28] <zerokarmaleft> lillo, just got back from lunch...noticed you're having to jump through some more hoops :/
[08:31] <HcE> njs12345: do I grab wrong or did you paste the old code?
[08:32] <njs12345> HcE: I just got it to build perfectly :)
[08:32] <njs12345> wait a sec
[08:32] <njs12345> what makefile are you using?
[08:32] <HcE> a really small one
[08:33] <noirequus> ctw go right ahead with your ibook install
[08:33] <njs12345> show me it
[08:33] <Dawson64> I've just installed Ubuntu 64 bit... any ideas how I can isntall ATI drivers?
[08:33] <HcE> njs12345: http://pastebin.uniformserver.com/pastebin.php?show=29
[08:33] <njs12345> ah
[08:33] <njs12345> ok
[08:33] <Agrajag|gone> Does ATI even make 64-bit drivers?
[08:33] <HcE> don't remember if I needed to tweak it, I'm getting the old source directly now
[08:34] <njs12345> you need an even smaller makefile ;)
[08:34] <HcE> hihi
[08:34] <Dawson64> Agrajag|gone: I don't think so... but even 2D support would be nice. I can't change above 1024 x 768... I'd like to be able to use 1600 x 1200.
[08:34] <njs12345> obj-m := itmtouch.o
[08:34] <njs12345> just that one line
[08:34] <njs12345> then you do
[08:35] <njs12345> sudo make -C <kernel source code path> SUBDIRS=$PWD modules
[08:35] <HcE> ok
[08:35] <ctw> thanks noirequus! Have you done an install on a G3 ... is there anything I should look out for?
[08:36] <zerokarmaleft> njs12345, are you working on a USB driver?
[08:36] <njs12345> yeah, I was.. but I think I just finished
[08:36] <njs12345> I'm not sure about whether the last fix I made will mess it up
[08:36] <HcE> hihi
[08:37] <zerokarmaleft> i'm in the middle of writing one too
[08:37] <noirequus> well, i've not actually installed ubuntu, but my ibook cratered last night and osx wouldnt install in any fashion
[08:37] <noirequus> so i put YDL on it (i had the disks laying around)
[08:38] <noirequus> am now torrenting the ubuntu image and gonna put that on
[08:38] <noirequus> i had no probs with YDL, i just prefer debian
[08:38] <ctw> what's YDL?
[08:39] <noirequus> i don't like redhat linux (ydl is based on it), but the rpm hell seems to be fixed with "yum" yellowdog update manager
[08:39] <noirequus> yellow dog linux www.yellowdoglinux
[08:39] <noirequus> one of the older ppc linux distros
[08:40] <marsjays> ah, i finally got my kernel to boot.. but during the startup HAL complained about missing kernel features, anything special i have to compile into the kernel to make HAL work? any patch?
[08:40] <ctw> well I'm running debian on another machine, so I guess I would prefer ubunu (haven't tried ubuntu yet)
[08:40] <noirequus> debian rocks
[08:40] <ctw> I just switched recently from suse, and I really like it to..
[08:41] <noirequus> i like the way i can have apt-get install from source, rather than install precompiled binaries
[08:42] <ctw> I've mostly used apt-get for binaries so far, but their package manager rocks
[08:42] <noirequus> apt-get by default installs binaries, but it can be told to compile from source
[08:42] <ctw> it sounds like we'll be installing ubuntu on ibooks around the same time ... care to exchange e-mails to help each other out in case somthing goes wrong?
[08:42] <noirequus> what can i say, i've been spoiled by fink
[08:43] <noirequus> fink on osx rocks
[08:44] <HcE> njs12345: is the paste-page a bit buggy? I get excactly the same code on your paste and mine
[08:44] <njs12345> really? exactly?
[08:44] <HcE> yes
[08:44] <HcE> 27 and 28 are alike
[08:46] <HcE> maybe I screwed some way =/
[08:49] <kent> '7j #ubuntu.se
[08:51] <Tyche> Apache conf file for apache2 can someone remind me where that is?
[08:52] <titanfox> in ubuntu, what file contains the information what modules Ubuntu should load during startup ?
[08:52] <Tyche> Is it the conf.d that has taken its place?
[08:52] <kent> titanfox, /etc/modules  ?
[08:53] <HcE> njs12345: thanks for your help, I have to go now! I know it's doable at least :)
[08:53] <njs12345> ok, fine, well, I tried ;)
[08:53] <titanfox> kent: in the folder /etc/modules ?
[08:53] <titanfox> kent : I want to change the SCSI module that ubuntu loads
[08:54] <titanfox> kent : the one that he loads now (79xx) does not work, sicne I have another adapter (29160N from adaptec)
[08:55] <kent> titanfox /etc/modules is not a folder, its a file.  I use that to edit which modules gets loaded.
[08:56] <titanfox> kent : then how must I edit that file so that it loads the right SCSI module ?
[08:58] <kent> titanfox, well, do you know what module you want to load instead of 79xx? put that one in there then. There might be a better way though. Debian had some program that configures loading of modules, but i dont know what its called and if its installed on ubuntu.
[08:58] <titanfox> kent : I dont think that is the right file
[08:58] <titanfox> kent : that file is only 288 bytes
[08:58] <Kyaneos> hi
[08:59] <titanfox> kent : when I boot, I get a modprobe error that the module doesnt exist or something, but /etc/conf does not contain any info about SCSI
[08:59] <jcoventry> hello
[08:59] <jcoventry> is anyone able to test a small puzzle game i programmed for x86 linux
[09:00] <njs12345> jcoventry: OK
[09:00] <farruinn> titanfox: cat /etc/modules and you'll see that it's a *list* of the modules to be loaded
[09:00] <jcoventry>  http://www.twilightice.net/~joshuacoventry/linux/
[09:00] <jcoventry> the puzzle game download link is at that page...
[09:02] <s0cks_work> Back
[09:03] <lil_anthony> can someone please tell me the command to type to check and repair a file system on ubuntu?
[09:03] <noirequus> fsck?
[09:03] <lil_anthony> i'm trying fsck -a -C /dev/hda but it says bad magic block
[09:03] <noirequus> how bout "man fsck"
[09:04] <lil_anthony> how abut it?
[09:04] <lil_anthony> i read it :)
[09:04] <jcoventry> njs12345: did you get there?
[09:04] <noirequus> thats as far as my noodle stretches
[09:04] <noirequus> sorry
[09:04] <farruinn> lil_anthony: to use fsck I believe the filesystem needs to be mounted as read only
[09:05] <lil_anthony> ok it says its not cleanly mounted
[09:05] <lil_anthony> whatever that means
[09:05] <socomm> Or bettter yet, not mounted at all.
[09:05] <njs12345> oh crap, sorry
[09:05] <njs12345> just let me dl and run it now
[09:05] <lil_anthony> so do you have to boot into a special mode
[09:05] <lil_anthony> or what?
[09:05] <farruinn> lil_anthony: you need to fsck / ?
[09:05] <socomm> Yes single user mode.
[09:06] <jcoventry> ok no problem, njs12345
[09:06] <farruinn> that's done on boot if it needs to be done, right?
[09:06] <socomm> Or 'Safe Mode' as Ubuntu calls it.
[09:06] <lil_anthony> i dont know
[09:06] <jcoventry> isn't there also a safe mode on windows?
[09:06] <farruinn> socomm: is that single user mode?
[09:06] <lil_anthony> so how you get into safe mode on ubuntu?
[09:07] <socomm> Yes that's the actual name for it.
[09:07] <socomm> Why Ubuntu calls it `safe mode' I'll never know.
[09:07] <njs12345> it's OK I guess
[09:07] <farruinn> lil_anthony: sudo `shutdown -F now' I believe
[09:07] <njs12345> but you need to be able to resize it
[09:07] <lil_anthony> that forces the shutdown
[09:07] <jcoventry> does it work, njs12345
[09:08] <socomm> Anyway anyone how I can get my mouse cursor back to that fancy industrial theme?
[09:08] <njs12345> works, yes
[09:08] <jcoventry> can you send a screenshot of it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>please?
[09:08] <socomm> Try `shutdown -Fr now'
[09:10] <njs12345> jcoventry: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/~njs/puzzle.png
[09:10] <farruinn> whenever I use `shutdown -F now' it goes into single user mode... then ctrl-d reboots...
[09:11] <socomm> All right use `shutdown -F now', that's probably what you want.
[09:13] <yorkomo> pardon me gents, but where does firefox get installed to?
[09:14] <socomm> /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox
[09:17] <scizzo> I wonder if I should try to use hoary
[09:18] <fulvioo> I havent see a problem on hoary yet
[09:18] <jcoventry> thanks, njs12345
[09:18] <fulvioo> im only using for 3 days though
[09:19] <marsjays> is there _anyone_ who knows how to make the firmware for my 3com wifi adapter load correctly?
[09:19] <aekold> hi
[09:20] <socomm> Apparently the MPAA is cracking down on BitTorrent Tracker websites.
[09:22] <Ribs> again?>
[09:23] <ions|ubuntu> how do I add vfat support so I can mount a floppy?
[09:23] <socomm> vfat should be in the stock kernel.
[09:23] <Ribs> ions|ubuntu: should be there already
[09:24] <socomm> mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy
[09:24] <ions|ubuntu> cat /proc/filesystems did not list it
[09:24] <socomm> vfat or fat
[09:25] <socomm> I've compiled my own kernel, so you're on your own.
[09:25] <ions|ubuntu> hmm anyway to do this w/o having to go in as root?
[09:25] <aekold> anoyone have xmms segment fault when upgrade to hoary?
[09:26] <ions|ubuntu> this is not my machine, it's a friend's and they're not going to like anything as complicated as using root to use a floppy
[09:26] <socomm> aekold: Not here.
[09:27] <aekold> then, where?
[09:27] <socomm> I meant it doesn't segfault on my machine.
[09:27] <aekold> i cant fix it
[09:28] <aekold> i try to delete all configuration and reinstall but nothing
[09:28] <socomm> When did you upgrade?
[09:28] <aekold> today
[09:29] <socomm> I upgraded like two days ago. This is probably just a temporary bug, upgrade later on to see if the bug goes away.
[09:29] <aekold> rhythbox says that "there is no plugin installed to handle a MP3 file"
[09:29] <aekold> but with totem i can ear mp3s
[09:32] <socomm> aekold: Join Ubuntu's mailing list and report the probems.
[09:32] <daniels> aekold: sudo apt-get install gstreamer-mad gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:34] <marsjays> please, somebody kick me in the groin.. i've been complaining about my wifi adapter not working for like a week, and now it turns out it was working, i just didn't activate it
[09:35] <freddy__> hi
[09:36] <aekold> daniels, thx rhythbox is running well
[09:36] <daniels> aekold: no worries
[09:36] <aekold> socomm, not so much to say about the problem
[09:36] <freddy__> I just wanted to ask what u guys use for timetracking of your different jobs. I used to use gnotime, but cannot install it on ubuntu. Can u refer me to anything like that ?
[09:36] <aekold> aekold@ubuntu:~ $ xmms
[09:36] <aekold> Violacin de segmento
[09:36] <aekold> aekold@ubuntu:~ $
[09:37] <aekold> violacion de segmento aka segment fault
[09:37] <aekold> heh
[09:37] <RubenV> checking for xmlcatalog... not found
[09:37] <RubenV> configure: error:
[09:37] <RubenV> *** Ooops, couldn't find xmlcatalog.  Actually this should
[09:37] <RubenV> *** never happen at this point, which means your system is really broken.
[09:37] <RubenV> anyone knows this?
[09:37] <socomm> Install the dev package for that library.
[09:37] <iz> <freddy__gnotime - utility for tracking and invoicing time spent on projects
[09:37] <farruinn> freddy__: it's in universe
[09:38] <freddy__> farruinn: but I cannot get it instlled due to dependencies
[09:38] <RubenV> socomm: well, I have most libxml dev pkgs
[09:38] <farruinn> freddy__: this is in hoary then?
[09:39] <freddy__> farruinn: it says: libgtkhtml3.1-11 (>= 3.1.19)
[09:39] <freddy__> farruinn: and will not install that due to evolution and others
[09:40] <socomm> RubenV: Try libxml2-utils xml-core.
[09:40] <ironwolf> daniels? is evo off of CRACK yes?
[09:40] <ironwolf> *yet?
[09:41] <socomm> libxml-catalog-perl
[09:41] <daniels> ironwolf: not really, keeps crashing for me
[09:41] <socomm> Evo works for me.
[09:41] <ironwolf> daniels: any eta?  It's a xorg thing so its you right? ;)
[09:42] <ironwolf> socomm: are your running latest hoary?
[09:42] <socomm> dist-upgraded sunday.
[09:42] <Walcky2> hi all
[09:42] <ironwolf> socomm: to warty latest or hoary latest?
[09:42] <socomm> hoary
[09:43] <ironwolf> socomm: well it seems borked in current hoary. not sure why.
[09:44] <Walcky2> does anybody try to install mono (or monodevelop) whith de latest hoary packages ?
[09:45] <daniels> ironwolf: er, evolution?  that's the gnome team's fault ;)
[09:45] <cenerentola> hi there
[09:46] <zerokarmaleft> Walcky2, afaik all of the mono dependencies haven't been updated to 1.04
[09:46] <cenerentola> can someone help me with the utf-8 thing...
[09:46] <cenerentola> this kind of things can be changed after installation?
[09:46] <cenerentola> s/lation//
[09:47] <JStrike> So. My NVidia kernel module doesn't seem to work with the latest update from hoary. Is this a known issue?
[09:48] <lifeless> ya4
[09:48] <Walcky2> zerokarmaleft: ok so I cannot install anything on my new hoary system...:(
[09:48] <socomm> Reinstall the kernel module.
[09:48] <cenerentola> jstrike: ask daniels
[09:48] <JStrike> daniels : ?
[09:49] <socomm> Hoary uses Xorg, so you'll need to reinstall the  drivers for it.
[09:49] <zerokarmaleft> Walcky2, you can build mono from the source tarballs on hoary
[09:50] <daniels> JStrike: yeah
[09:50] <JStrike> socomm : I know. I have been using Hoary for a while now with XOrg. This issue just seems to be with the latest XOrg or kernel from hoary
[09:50] <zerokarmaleft> Walcky2, a bit more apt-get elbow grease involved but i have mono 1.05 up and running
[09:50] <Walcky2> zerokarmaleft: arghh ..... I think it will be a hard work
[09:50] <JStrike> daniels : My NVidia kernel module doesn't seem to work with the latest update from hoary. Apparently you know something about this
[09:52] <JStrike> Should I roll back the XOrg package or kernel or do something else?
[09:52] <Walcky2> zerokarmaleft: I don't understand you're last sentence...can U explain it a little bit please ?
[09:52] <JabberWonkie> Has anyone had issues with Ubuntu accessing Hitachi harddrives on their laptops
[09:52] <RubenV> JabberWonkie: i think i have a hitachi and it works nicely
[09:53] <JabberWonkie> Hmm..I got one on my Inspiron 8200 and accessing the hard drive is gawd awful slow.
[09:53] <JabberWonkie> maybe it's the controller
[09:54] <RubenV> i have an inspiron 8600 and it doesn't give any problem
[09:55] <daniels> JStrike: i don't know whether nvidia-glx, linux-restricted-modules-*, or what is at fault; if you could try rolling back your nvidia-glx first and then your linux-restricted-modules package, that would be awesome
[09:55] <daniels> right now, i just have no clue where it breaks
[09:55] <JabberWonkie> RubenV: did you have to look for any drivers after install?
[09:55] <titanfox> I installed the Nvidia Graphics driver, but it says that it is installed correctly, but that my kernel is configured to use rivafsb and that the nvidia module will not load untill I remove the riva module. But where do I edit this >
[09:56] <RubenV> JabberWonkie: no
[09:56] <RubenV> atleast not for anything hard disk related
[09:57] <ironwolf> daniels: aren't you the gnome/xorg team? ;)
[09:57] <daniels> ironwolf: seb is the one-man gnome team, i am the x team
[09:57] <JabberWonkie> What modle hitachi do you have?
[09:58] <tvon> Does anyone know of a fix to the 2.6.9/nvidia-glx issues?
[09:59] <zerokarmaleft> Walcky2, to build mono from source tarballs, you have to apt-get the library dependencies (packages ending in -dev)
[09:59] <tvon> you also need mcs installed
[09:59] <tvon> to build mcs
[09:59] <tvon> fyi
[10:00] <JabberWonkie> Maybe I f&#$ed the install.  I guess I could try again.
[10:03] <zerokarmaleft> Walcky2, most of the library dependencies aren't really mentioned at mono-project.com, but if you check the output after running the configure scripts, you'll see which libraries are missing and then grab them with apt-get
[10:03] <illek> Hi all.  Can anyone enlighten me as to how to see the other partitions on my HD.  I edited fstab and mtab but still see only the Ubuntu partition
[10:04] <Ribs> illek: They need to be mounted :)
[10:04] <illek> from a terminal?
[10:05] <farruinn> illek, or go to the computer place in nautilus
[10:05] <farruinn> "disks" in the Computer menu on warty
[10:06] <Walcky2> zerokarmaleft: it was to be a hard work, wasn't it ?
[10:06] <illek> thats my problem, they don't show up in "Disks"
[10:06] <zerokarmaleft> Walcky2, i finished in an hour or so
[10:09] <Walcky2> zerokarmaleft: you download the mono's tarballs (mono-jit, mono-assembly, mono-mcs, ....) and apt-get the corresponding dependencies (libglib-dev, libc6-dev, ...) before you build them that's right ?
[10:09] <zerokarmaleft> Walcky2, right
[10:11] <noirequus> y'all be good
[10:11] <funky_> hi
[10:11] <Walcky2> zerokarmaleft: so let's go, I test that immediately....and thanks for your help
[10:11] <zerokarmaleft> np
[10:13] <tranceConscious> is there a way to configure my network proxy during the installation of ubuntu?
[10:14] <mart> tranceConscious: without Alt-F2'ing and setting it in /etc/apt.conf
[10:15] <mart> tranceConscious: I'd love to know if there is
[10:16] <tranceConscious> let me try it...
[10:16] <mart> sorry, /etc/apt/apt.conf
[10:17] <funky_> whats the name of the console package manager like synaptic ?
[10:17] <mart> Acquire::http::Proxy "http://wwwcache:8080/";
[10:17] <mart> funky_: aptitude?
[10:17] <funky_> yeah
[10:17] <farruinn> funky_: there's also dselect
[10:18] <mart> farruinn: you sadist :)
[10:18] <funky_> farruinn: i know, but i was trying to recall the other
[10:18] <farruinn> :D
[10:18] <funky_> thanks anyway :)
[10:19] <funky_> is there any way to find a broken package ?
[10:19] <funky_> without using synaptic ?
[10:19] <funky_> the synaptic filters dont works for me
[10:19] <funky_> or i dont use them
[10:20] <tranceConscious> is apt.conf or apt.conf.d cause i find an apt.conf.d in /etc/apt...?!?
[10:20] <mart> tranceConscious: doesn't exist by default
[10:20] <mart> /etc/apt/apt.conf
[10:20] <farruinn> funky_: maybe apt-cache unmet
[10:21] <mart> does gnome have a gui for saying "cardctl eject"?
[10:21] <tranceConscious> can you copy paste or send me an apt.conf that has the unstable sources as default???
[10:22] <mart> tranceConscious: you want to put them in /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:22] <mart> they're probably already in there, just uncomment the lines with "hoary"
[10:22] <tranceConscious> can someone you copy paste or send me an apt.conf and a sources.list that has the unstable sources as default???
[10:22] <mart> tranceConscious: one step at a time!
[10:22] <tranceConscious> there is no apt.conf. i only find apt.conf.d
[10:23] <mart> tranceConscious:  do you want to use a proxy?
[10:23] <mart> tranceConscious: if you do, you need to create and apt.conf
[10:24] <mart> tranceConscious: if you want unstable sources, then you need to modify /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:26] <scizzo> anyone else but me having problems using Rhythmbox in hoary?
[10:26] <scizzo> (rhythmbox:9582): Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text()
[10:26] <scizzo> etc
[10:29] <tranceConscious> ok, I need to use a proxy. can you send me an apt.conf to see how to configure the proxy....? and then can you send me a copy of sources.list to see how to configure mine too? [I'm not a total stranger with linux, don't worry]
[10:29] <zerokarmaleft> scizzo, is that when you import a folder?
[10:29] <findeton> hello !
[10:29] <scizzo> zerokarmaleft: when I try to play
[10:30] <findeton> I'm having the next problem:
[10:30] <findeton> $ gcc main.cc  -o exectuable
[10:30] <findeton> gcc: installation problem, cannot exec `cc1plus': No such file or directory
[10:30] <neighborlee> is there a unpacker ( like say file roller) that will let you unpack to hidden dir
[10:30] <findeton> what's the solution?
[10:31] <farruinn> findeton: apt-get install g++ if you haven't already
[10:32] <zerokarmaleft> scizzo, well i'm still running warty but i'm running rhythmbox 0.8.8 with no problems
[10:33] <zerokarmaleft> scizzo, actually sometimes it locks up whenever it plays a new file but i've got the hunch that it's a gstreamer issue and not rhythmbox
[10:33] <findeton> farruinn: oh dear :)
[10:33] <findeton> farruinn: I  thought  I only needed gcc :P
[10:33] <farruinn> g++ is the c++ compiler
[10:34] <findeton> yeah, but... then why it fails if I use the gcc command ? I don't understand :)
[10:35] <farruinn> gcc is the c compiler
[10:35] <farruinn> gnu c compiler
[10:37] <findeton> well, okay, anyway it works now so thanks you !
[10:37] <findeton> now I must go, bye !
[10:40] <scizzo> zerokarmaleft: are you using UTF-8 with X?
[10:43] <tranceConscious> can someone tell me what should i put in my apt.conf to use a proxie??? [I cant find an apt.conf file in /etc/apt]
[10:44] <farruinn> tranceConscious: you must create apt.conf in that directory (e.g. sudo vim /etc/apt/apt.conf)
[10:44] <farruinn> and if you man apt.conf then search for proxy it will show you how to use a proxy
[10:45] <farruinn> http::proxy http://[[user] [:pass] @] host[:port] /
[10:45] <tranceConscious> you mean I should create an empty apt.conf? does man work on the first boot after the 1st installation phaze?
[10:46] <farruinn> man should work
[10:46] <farruinn> you could also sudo gedit /etc/apt/apt.conf
[10:46] <farruinn> or sudo echo 'http::proxy http://[etc] ' > /etc/apt/apt.conf
[10:48] <tranceConscious> sudo echo 'http::proxy http://[etc] ' > /etc/apt/apt.conf
[10:49] <tranceConscious> I was used in using unstable sources in debian. what do i have to comment out now in ubuntu? universe???
[10:49] <farruinn> replace [etc]  with whatever is applicalbe
[10:51] <tranceConscious> what is the root password and how do i change it?
[10:51] <farruinn> ubhuti rootsudo
[10:51] <ubhuti> By default the root password is disabled in Ubuntu.  Instead use sudo (and your user password).  If you haven't already, please read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:51] <jbroome> Nice :)
[10:53] <scizzo> this is lovely
[10:54] <scizzo> I choose to use UTF-8 in locales but when I want to use it in gdm it tells me that sv_SE.UTF-8 does not exists
[10:54] <scizzo> :)
[10:56] <Kamion> scizzo: is it in /etc/locale.gen? Did you run 'dpkg-reconfigure locales'?
[10:56] <scizzo> Kamion: read what I said once again please
[10:57] <scizzo> "I choose to use UTF-8 in locales...."
[10:57] <scizzo> so yes...I used dpkg-reconfigure locales
[10:57] <scizzo> and yes...it is in /etc/locale.gen
[10:58] <scizzo> the problem I am going to get is that if I do not use UTF-8 then some programs will become weird....GTK2 is using UTF-8 for the strings and so I need UTF-8 to make everything work
[10:58] <Kamion> scizzo: sorry, wasn't entirely clear to me from what you said, a lot of people get that bit wrong
[10:58] <Kamion> scizzo: does 'perl -de1' spit out any errors?
[10:59] <Kamion> or actually make that 'LC_ALL=sv_SE.UTF-8 perl -de1' just to make sure
[10:59] <Kamion> and drop the 'd' from the perl options, because I suck
[10:59] <scizzo> no
[10:59] <Kamion> so it must be an X.org-specific thing
[10:59] <Kamion> blame daniels :-)
[10:59] <pusling> where to get .deb-packages for mplayer ? The debian marillat mirror won't work
[11:00] <pusling> if I choose sarge
[11:00] <scizzo> Kamion: LC_ALL=sv_SE.UTF-8 perl el gives me nothing
[11:00] <Kamion> -e1 (one), not l (ell)
[11:01] <Kamion> but anyway, yeah
[11:01] <scizzo> sorry yes I ment that
[11:01] <Kamion> scizzo: might want to file a bug with your version of, um, libx11-6 I think
[11:01] <scizzo> missed the -
[11:01] <fuzzix> Holy...!
[11:02] <fuzzix> hello :)
[11:02] <scizzo> Kamion: let me check something first
[11:02] <burnis> Hello :P
[11:02] <Kamion> scizzo: there've been some similar problems since X.org was introduced; daniels fixed some of them but I think some may still remain
[11:03] <fuzzix> Anyone got the patience for (hopefully) a quick on regarding oss emulation for an ensoniq? Modules loaded, aliases added but no dice.
[11:04] <fuzzix> *on warty
[11:05] <scizzo> Kamion: that is what I am looking at right now
[11:05] <scizzo> brb
[11:06] <candyman> waste is not on universe
[11:06] <candyman> it is gpl, why is it so?
[11:07] <Kamion> candyman: it's not in Debian, so we didn't get it automatically. anything else in universe is only there because people cared sufficiently
[11:07] <tuppa> woohoo!
[11:07] <tuppa> dist-upgrade on hoary just broke my desktop totally!
[11:08] <candyman> Kamion, thanks
[11:08] <scizzo> Kamion: so it seems that I know where that error comes from...but now...I get another error...the UTF-8 error is gone
[11:08] <candyman> so I should compile it myself?
[11:10] <riley> when i ran a configure script, right after checking for gcc it checked for something called cc, which it said it could not find in $PATH... i searched for cc on synaptic, but could only find things like cccc and cccd... what should i install from synaptic to solve this problem?
[11:10] <tuppa> anyway
[11:10] <tuppa> nothing a reboot can't fix ;)
[11:10] <Kamion> candyman: guess so
[11:11] <farruinn> riley gcc g++
[11:11] <Kamion> riley: cc = C compiler; it's the name you'd find it on in ancient Unixes
[11:11] <Kamion> riley: have you installed gcc?
[11:11] <candyman> well, they say p2p is a bad thing
[11:12] <candyman> and it is going to get me to learn how to compile and install stuff myself.
[11:12] <candyman> thanks, Kamion ;)
[11:12] <riley> Kamion: yeah i thought i had gcc installed... i'm not sure if i do on this system though
[11:13] <riley> Kamion: looks like i didn't... must be on my other ubuntu system
[11:14] <SirFunk> is there a chan for ubuntu ppc?
[11:15] <Kamion> this one
[11:15] <scizzo> well...totem kan play files.. :)
[11:15] <SirFunk> heh
[11:15] <SirFunk> i think ubuntu is neglecting to turn on the fans in my powerbook.. it gets REALLY HOT
[11:16] <Kamion> varies rather a lot by model, that does
[11:16] <Kamion> I'm not sure all of them are supported by the kernel
[11:16] <SirFunk> that would suck if linux melted my laptop :-D
[11:16] <Kamion> note that the AlBook basically uses its case as a heatsink; this is normal
[11:16] <chapter3> i just plopped in the livecd, and it didn't pickup my linksys wireless card, any ideas?
[11:17] <rtousey> chapter3, which one do you have?
[11:17] <SirFunk> Kamion: my fans are on like non-stop with OSX
[11:17] <rtousey> I was just going to ask about that
[11:17] <SirFunk> and i'm not even sure if they come on at all with linux
[11:17] <Kamion> SirFunk: feel free to file a bug if it's running radically hotter than Mac OS or whatever, though. Make sure to include a tarball of /proc/device-tree
[11:17] <chapter3> the 802.11b one, pcmcia
[11:17] <Kamion> there are some tunable parameters for the fans in /proc
[11:17] <SirFunk> Kaloz: hmmm... ok
[11:17] <SirFunk> oopse
[11:17] <fuzzix> dmesg: unable to register OSS PCM device 0:0
[11:17] <fuzzix> unable to register OSS mixer device 0:0
[11:17] <SirFunk> Kamion: i mean.. i'll cehck that out
[11:18] <riley> Kamion: thanks, that did it
[11:18] <scizzo> fuzzix: do you have a webcam?
[11:18] <rtousey> chapter3, take a look at linuxquestions.org/hcl
[11:18] <fuzzix> scizzo: Just occured to me too!
[11:18] <chapter3> k
[11:18] <Kamion> SirFunk: what kind of powerbook?
[11:19] <SirFunk> 1st gen 12" g4
[11:19] <rtousey> now, does ubuntu include madwifi drivers? for my linksys card?
[11:19] <rtousey> maybe in universe?
[11:19] <fuzzix> scizzo: You reckon unplugging it will help?
[11:19] <fuzzix> Never really use it
[11:19] <Kamion> rtousey: yes, though not in the installer yet
[11:19] <Kamion> we'll have them in the installer for hoary though, it should be done tomorrow or so
[11:19] <scizzo> fuzzix: it helped for me
[11:20] <Kamion> SirFunk: refer to http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2004/12/msg00067.html
[11:20] <rtousey> Kamion, but it is in universe?
[11:20] <scizzo> fuzzix: because the USB sound overwrites everything
[11:20] <Kamion> rtousey: no, it's in restricted, and should be installed by default
[11:20] <rtousey> Kamion, oh
[11:20] <scizzo> fuzzix: try to unplug it and restart or something
[11:20] <fuzzix> scizzo: I'll give it a shot - thanks
[11:20] <Kamion> rtousey: the live CD is ... a bit different in warty
[11:20] <scizzo> fuzzix: it might help if you just inplug it
[11:21] <fuzzix> I'll try a reboot - need to get it warking on boot anyway
[11:21] <fuzzix> *working
[11:21] <SirFunk> Kamion: hmm... /sys/devices/temperatures does not exist
[11:22] <Kamion> SirFunk: are any therm* drivers actually loaded?
[11:22] <scizzo> fuzzix: it would work...you just need to find that one little module to rmmod.. :P
[11:22] <SirFunk> Kamion: one sec
[11:22] <rtousey> Kamion, excellent, thanks
[11:22] <rtousey> Kamion, what do you mean, about the live cd?
[11:22] <chapter3> anybody fixed the xmms/horay issue yet btw?
[11:22] <SirFunk> Kamion: nope, none loaded
[11:23] <Kamion> rtousey: the warty live CD isn't necessarily a good metric of what an installed system supports, unfortunately; we're working on fixing that for hoary
[11:23] <rtousey> Kamion, i installed from the install cd
[11:23] <SirFunk> Kamion: when i try to load them it says "no such device"
[11:23] <Kamion> rtousey: oh, sorry, I confused you with chapter3
[11:23] <Kamion> SirFunk: did you try all of them?
[11:23] <rtousey> Kamion, so, the drivers should already be there...i can just put in the card and go!
[11:24] <rtousey> Kamion, a common mistake
[11:24] <Kamion> rtousey: in theory :-)
[11:24] <SirFunk> Kamion: yeah there's only 2
[11:24] <rtousey> Cool, you guys have another convert
[11:24] <chapter3> btw, is there a horay livecd yet?
[11:24] <Kamion> SirFunk: therm_adt746x and therm_windtunnel, right?
[11:25] <Kamion> SirFunk: sounds like your board isn't supported by the version of the kernel you're running ...
[11:25] <Kamion> at least the fans on it
[11:25] <SirFunk> Kamion: that blows
[11:25] <SirFunk> i wonder if any kernel supports it
[11:25] <Kamion> it's possible 2.6.9 fixes it. please send tarball of /proc/device-tree and it'll be possible to tell
[11:26] <SirFunk> Kamion: i'm using 2.6.9
[11:26] <Kamion> d'oh :)
[11:26] <SirFunk> yeah
[11:26] <Kamion> SirFunk: then definitely file a bug
[11:27] <SirFunk> ok, where do i do that.. i'm pretty new to ubuntu
[11:27] <Kamion> bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[11:28] <zerokarmaleft> are the stock ubuntu kernels configured for QoS networking?
[11:28] <mAIJK> Hi, I have installed KDE @ ubuntu. But when i try to use synaptic or something like that it says that my root password is wrong. I have tried gksudo and so on. It works with fluxbox and gnome
[11:28] <hawk16> sup
[11:29] <hawk16> yo how i use the livecd to install ubuntu
[11:29] <Hikaru79> You don;t
[11:29] <Hikaru79> *don
[11:29] <Hikaru79> *don't
[11:29] <Kamion> zerokarmaleft: CONFIG_NET_QOS is enabled; some of the classifiers are modules you'd have to load
[11:29] <Hikaru79> I can't spell -_-;;
[11:29] <fuzzix> Good stuff :)
[11:29] <hawk16> heh
[11:29] <Hikaru79> hawk16, use the Install CD
[11:29] <hawk16> thing is
[11:29] <Hikaru79> Free download just like the LiveCD
[11:29] <hawk16> my windows cd broke in half
[11:29] <hawk16> so i really have nothing
[11:29] <Hikaru79> o_o
[11:29] <hawk16> to download it with
[11:29] <Kamion> unfortunately the installation stuff wouldn't fit on the live CD
[11:29] <Riddell> mAIJK: KDE doesn't work with sudo yet, you will need to set a root password with `sudo passwd` on the command line
[11:30] <Hikaru79> Well, what are you connecting to IRC from?
[11:30] <Kamion> can't you download it using the live CD itself? you can mount a hard disk to put the image on ...
[11:30] <hawk16> LiveCD
[11:30] <hawk16> im on LiveCD
[11:30] <Hikaru79> Why not download through LiveCD? I think it has CD-burning software
[11:30] <Hikaru79> Installed.
[11:30] <hawk16> what will it save to?
[11:31] <lamont_r> you pretty much need a second cdrom before you can run on livecd and burn another
[11:31] <mAIJK> ridell What do u mean? (newbie)
[11:31] <hawk16> i have 2
[11:31] <hawk16> cd roms
[11:31] <hawk16> both are burners
[11:32] <lamont_r> then you should have no problems burning.
[11:32] <hawk16> but i mean
[11:32] <hawk16> dosent it have to save to something?
[11:32] <lamont_r> apt-get from http sources is b0rked on the livecd though (known)
[11:32] <farruinn> hawk16: mount your harddrive
[11:32] <hawk16> ok
[11:32] <hawk16> use page file?
[11:33] <hawk16> btw does ubuntu have that gay password screen with half-naked ugly people?
[11:33] <Kamion> that's not the default.
[11:34] <chapter3> btw, is there a horay livecd yet?
[11:34] <hawk16> ok good
[11:34] <GotD0t> chapter3: nope, not till april ;-)
[11:34] <Kamion> it's certainly on its way, I'm not sure if there's been an official test release yet
[11:34] <hawk16> i dont want half-naked ugly people on my password screen
[11:34] <Kamion> there'll be a test release long before April
[11:34] <chapter3> darn, i would like to run the livecd and have it work with my linksys wireless card :\
[11:34] <GotD0t> that would be silly Kamion
[11:35] <jbroome> I prefer full-naked
[11:35] <Kamion> interesting, a fair number of the complaints were about the people being excessively good-looking (=> not ordinary people)
[11:35] <hawk16> yea but there ugly
[11:35] <Kamion> GotD0t: which people?
[11:35] <hawk16> and theres a guy
[11:35] <hawk16> so its worse
[11:35] <Kamion> anyway the login screen argument is SO three months ago
[11:35] <Kamion> GotD0t: er, I meant "which would be silly?"
 at the final release date and expect it all to work with no user testing
[11:37] <GotD0t> Kamion: oh? how so?
[11:37] <Kamion> hardware detection being brought into line with the installer by dint of both using the same code
[11:37] <GotD0t> Kamion: gotcha
[11:37] <Kamion> there's stuff on the wiki about it I think, since it's been discussed at the conference
[11:38] <Kamion> basically we take the first half of the installer and use it to bring up a live CD environment
[11:38] <GotD0t> Kamion: that sounds good
[11:38] <chapter3> so has anybody sucessfully gotten the livecd to work with a linksys wireless card?
[11:38] <hawk16> is it possible to run World of Warcraft on ubuntu
[11:39] <GotD0t> hawk16: only one way to find out ;-)
[11:39] <Readis> Howdy all...
[11:45] <hawk16> i got liquid cooling :)
[11:47] <jose_luis1mx> join#torreon
[11:48] <jose_luis1mx> join #torreon
[11:48] <hawk16> its fun having liquid cooling
[11:49] <hawk16> my cpu is at 3.86ghz and is running at 28c
[11:49] <tranceConscious> I do a sudo passwd root and create a password. I then do su - and when it asks for the password i enter the password i just created and works fine. But when in the graphical login I try root and same password as before, it returns to asking for the username. what is going on. can someone help???
[11:50] <hawk16> hmm
[11:50] <farruinn> tranceConscious: are you trying to login to gnome as root?
[11:51] <hawk16> i don't know much about graphical user interface linux
[11:51] <farruinn> from gdm
[11:51] <hawk16> im a server guy