[03:24] <jake333> how do i install darwin streaming server onto ubuntu
[03:24] <evand> jake333: This is not the channel to ask that in.  /join #ubuntu
[06:10] <CIA-4> ubiquity: evand * r1483 ma/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/gtkui.py): Stopped the username auto-fill from clobbering the m-a username selection.
[07:03] <CIA-4> migration-assistant: evand * r39 migration-assistant/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Better i18n support, detection fixes, support for spaces in usernames.
[07:06] <CIA-4> migration-assistant: evand * r40 migration-assistant/debian/changelog: Releasing 0.4.1.
[02:05] <evand> cjwatson: can you upload m-a 0.4.1 (r40) and merge with my Ubiquity branch (r1483)?  The latter is dependent on the changes in the former.  Thank you.
[03:31] <xt> why does the "kickstart installer" download package-list from dapper-security, and not my local mirror?
[03:38] <cjwatson> xt: file a bug on kickseed with your kickstart file (minus any passwords) attached. It's an awkward corner case because we don't want people to miss out on security patches without realising it
[03:39] <cjwatson> evand: bazaar.launchpad.net only seems to have r39
[03:40] <xt> cjwatson: well, I only selected url --url http://x.x.x.x/ubuntu/, but it says my repository is broken because the package index doesnt match the dapper default server install
[03:40] <xt> because it download the package index from ubuntu-security
[03:42] <cjwatson> xt: bug please :-)
[03:43] <xt> argh! :)
[03:43] <xt> Is kickstart fundamentally different from preseed?
[03:51] <evand> cjwatson: arr, I'll fix that in a bit.  Class now.  Sorry about that.
[03:54] <cjwatson> xt: kickstart is implemented on top of preseed, and you can actually mix them if you want
[03:54] <cjwatson> (our kickstart has a 'preseed' command extension)
[03:55] <xt> k, I think i'll be better of making a good preseed
[03:58] <evand> cjwatson: fixed
[07:57] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r1909 ubiquity/ (5 files in 4 dirs): merge from Evan
[07:57] <evand> thanks!
[07:57] <cjwatson> just minor tweaks in the merge, d-i/manifest and debian/changelog
[07:58] <cjwatson> (I tend to only update d-i/manifest right before an upload)
[07:58] <evand> ah, I had originally left the updated packages bit in tact as subtle hint that it depended on the new m-a
[07:58] <evand> but I'll remember that for future merges
[07:58] <cjwatson> evand: uploaded migration-assistant earlier, which you may have noticed
[07:58] <cjwatson> ah, noted
[07:58] <evand> indeed, just waiting on a few builds
[07:58] <evand> spac and amd64
[07:59] <evand> sparc*
[07:59] <cjwatson> just trying to decide what else is urgent
[07:59] <evand> eh?  Are we approaching a cut off?
[07:59] <cjwatson> well, there's the beta in <2 weeks
[07:59] <evand> ah, indeed
[08:00] <cjwatson> evand: bug 89821?
[08:00] <evand> cjwatson: it sounds like the spaces in the username bug.
[08:00] <evand> but I wont know for sure until I see the logs
[08:01] <cjwatson> ok
[08:03] <evand> The only other major issue I'm working around right now is that m-a does a bad job of detecting which users of Windows XP it should actually care about, that and handling /home on a different partition.  Both of those should be relatively easy to fix and will do so for .2
[08:04] <evand> err 0.4.2


[03:27] <FourDollars> Where is the log of #ubuntu-installer ? I want to find some information from it.
[03:28] <FourDollars> Not mind. I found it at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com :)
[07:55] <ramsrambo> Need help installing Ubuntu 12 beta 2
[08:14] <_tasslehoff_> Is it possible to choose the type of partition table created in the alternate installer?
[09:15] <stgraber> jibel: anything interesting in today's testing?
[09:17] <jibel> stgraber, no, I tried to reproduce a m-a crasher when 2 OS are already installed without success
[09:18] <stgraber> k. I just finished catching up on the installer bugmail and couldn't find anything critical in there either. Will do some ISO testing then :)
[09:19] <jibel> found a bug report about a failed install due to not enough memory (600MB in a VM on amd64) we should consider updating the documentation and memory requirements
[09:20] <stgraber> that was Lubuntu though
[09:20] <jibel> stgraber, you commented on it btw
[09:20] <stgraber> I successfully installed Ubuntu and Edubuntu on 512MB yesterday
[09:21] <jibel> stgraber, from a live session ?
[09:21] <stgraber> yeah
[09:21] <jibel> amm64 ?
[09:21] <jibel> *amd64
[09:23] <stgraber> good question, might have been i386, will do another test on Ubuntu amd64 with 512
[09:26] <jibel> stgraber, I don't think that's worth it. does it make sense to install 64bit with so little memory ?
[09:26] <stgraber> not really, no
[09:28] <jibel> my opinion is that it is a documentation issue now.
[09:33] <infinity> We've already confirmed a few times this week that amd64+512MB is a losing scenario.
[09:33] <infinity> Updating the docs seems smarter.
[10:06] <mpt> cm-t, I will finish writing up the specification today. But the first step is to add a button to the bottom of the initial screen <https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/Doc?docid=0AU5sFuLRpCpBZGZra2pqY2pfMTAxZ25rcnBnNXY#_Welcome_>, "Reinstall From Sync…". This would take you to a new "Reinstall from sync" page in the installer, which would contain a sign-in form.
[10:07] <mpt> Once you'd signed in, the installer would go and fetch the list of computers synced to that account, and present them for you to choose one.
[10:07] <mpt> Does that make sense so far?
[10:09] <cm-t> yes it does
[10:10] <cm-t> I am looking at the docs, if I understand well, it will be at the 3.8
[10:11] <mpt> Oh yes, I hadn't noticed that section was there :-)
[10:11] <mpt> I think I'll move that between the "Welcome" and "Preparing to install Ubuntu" sections
[10:12] <mpt> because once you have finished the selection, it will come back to that "Preparing to install Ubuntu" screen
[10:14] <cm-t> I see
[10:15] <Blackyugin> That's look good, thanks
[10:18] <cjwatson> _tasslehoff_: as of 12.04 you can preseed partman-partitioning/default_label; not before
[10:19] <cjwatson> infinity: amd64+512MB improved very substantially following the fix for bug 979350; it works if you don't run the installer from a live session
[10:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 979350 in user-setup "install with encrypted home failed near the end: OSError: [Errno 12] Cannot allocate memory" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/979350
[10:20] <stgraber> I actually just got amd64 to install with 512MB using the live session, so I guess it depends exactly what you do in the live session and exactly what you choose in the installer
[10:21] <infinity> cjwatson: Fair enough.  Probably still saner to recommend 1G on amd64.  The subset of people with amd64 machines and only 512MB can't be large.
[10:28] <cjwatson> yeah
[10:34]  * infinity wonders where best to fix preinstalled images having non-standard sources.lists.
[10:35] <infinity> Well, that wasn't the right question.  The right place is in lb_chroot_archives or whatever in live-build.
[10:36] <infinity> But maybe something hackish-but-more-reviewable is a better option right now.
[11:22] <CIA-32> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5393 trunk/ (debian/changelog scripts/plugininstall.py): merge lp:~vorlon/ubiquity/lp.947738
[11:46] <_tasslehoff_> exit
[13:11] <CIA-32> apt-setup: cjwatson * r234 ubuntu/ (7 files in 4 dirs):
[13:11] <CIA-32> apt-setup: Add extras.ubuntu.com Release files for precise, and remove those for
[13:11] <CIA-32> apt-setup: oneiric.
[13:13] <CIA-32> apt-setup: cjwatson * r235 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1:0.55ubuntu4
[14:21] <CIA-32> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5394 trunk/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[14:21] <CIA-32> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: apt-setup 1:0.55ubuntu4,
[14:21] <CIA-32> ubiquity: console-setup 1.70ubuntu5.
[14:28] <CIA-32> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5395 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.10.16
[16:37] <bdmurray> ev: bug 986246
[16:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 986246 in wubi "Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock. during Wubi install" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/986246
[16:38] <stgraber> bdmurray: yep, we're aware (see #ubuntu-release)
[16:38] <stgraber> bdmurray: I'm testing a fix now
[16:38] <bdmurray> ah, too many channels to check!
[19:33] <loan> hi everybody
[19:33] <loan>  can I ask a question?
[19:33] <loan>  I've received the license of Mathematica
[19:33] <loan>  and a .sh file, for installation
[19:33] <loan>  should I execute it?
[23:41] <cm-t> mpt: just receive all that, thanks you for reactivity :) I will back to work on it sunday
[23:42] <mpt> ok cm-t, have fun


[22:34] <bluesabre> Interestingly, lightdm-gtk-greeter doesn't seem to work on the raspberry pi / 19.10
[22:35] <ochosi> oh
[22:35] <Unit193> You broke it! :'(
[22:35] <bluesabre> slick-greeter does, so not a lightdm-specific thing
[22:35] <ochosi> couldn't think of a reason why it wouldn't
[22:35] <Unit193> Logs?  In /var/log/lightdm/?
[22:35] <ochosi> has there even been a (fairly recent) release?
[22:36] <bluesabre> (process:1518): GLib-ERROR **: 20:58:08.196: creating thread 'gmain': Error creating thread: Resource temporarily unavailable
[22:36] <bluesabre> ** Message: 21:03:01.863: Starting lightdm-gtk-greeter 2.0.6 (Sep 18 2018, 01:17:10)
[22:36] <bluesabre> Yeah, not in a while... been neglecting it since it just worked
[22:37] <bluesabre> Don't know why those messages pasted in reverse, but ok
[22:37] <bluesabre> Oh, I copied the wrong pair
[22:37] <bluesabre> Some messages  though
[22:38] <bluesabre> Also, surprised to see both of you immediately as I said something :D
[22:40] <Unit193> bluesabre: https://bugs.archlinux32.org/index.php?do=details&task_id=60
[22:42] <bluesabre> Unit193: nice find
[22:42] <Unit193> https://github.com/canonical/lightdm/issues/55
[22:42] <Unit193> bluesabre: Hope that helps! :P
[22:43] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-panel 4.15.0 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfce4-panel-4-15-0-released-tp56229.html (by Simon Steinbeiss)
[22:43] <bluesabre> Welp, if I fix it, I guess that makes my rasppi purchase worthwhile :D
[22:43] <Unit193> https://github.com/ArcticaProject/arctica-greeter/commit/7aab2968b93387463d4d5d0aabf9c29a76c994b8
[22:45] <Unit193> http://m.quickmeme.com/img/c0/c05a2be72ba98e91654001547183a9cdb7f5ac206d30934a03a37ee34390e9d0.jpg
[22:45] <bluesabre> :)
[22:46] <Unit193> I'm running Xfce with sysvinit and elogind if there's stuff you'd want to test there, but it's not a Pi so I don't hit that issue.
[22:47] <bluesabre> ooh
[22:47] <bluesabre> I do think there were some things related to elogind, so I'll keep that in mind
[23:17] <bluesabre> Sure enough, that one line fixes it
[23:17] <bluesabre> thanks a bunch Unit193
[23:18] <Unit193> Awesome!!


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[18:49] <waltman> It's interesting how most of their prizes are closed-source :)
[20:07] <TheEvilPhoenix> jedijf_znc:  welcome :P
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[05:50] <Kilos> morning all
[05:51] <Kilos> and sundry
[06:06] <superfly> good morning
[06:10] <Kilos> hiya superfly
[06:10] <Kilos> lo tonberryE352
[06:15] <Squirm> morning
[06:15] <Squirm> woop, last day of work
[06:15] <Squirm> then 2 week break
[06:15] <Squirm> lo henkj
[06:15] <Kilos> hi Squirm henkj
[06:15] <henkj> hi Squirm
[06:15] <Squirm> henkj: I see now that you're working, you come on to irc
[06:15] <Squirm> :P
[06:16] <henkj> Squirm: yeah we have an internal irc server at work
[06:16] <henkj> so I connect to a few other servers as well
[06:16] <Squirm> ah
[06:16] <Squirm> :p
[06:17] <Squirm> Kilos: I've also known henkj for quite some time now
[06:17] <Kilos> ah thats nice
[06:18] <Kilos> funny how they sooner or later get here
[06:18] <Kilos> but the room small today
[06:18] <henkj> lots of people taking today off i guess
[06:18] <Kilos> others musta taken the day off to make a long weekend
[06:19] <Squirm> I have 2 weeks after today :)
[06:19] <Kilos> lekker Squirm
[06:20] <Squirm> indeed
[06:21] <henkj> nice
[06:21] <Kilos> what if they have a server crash while you are away?
[06:21] <Squirm> Kilos: here's one for you
[06:21] <Squirm> http://sourceforge.net/projects/suicide-linux/
[06:21] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[06:21] <henkj> I should plan to take some leave
[06:21] <Squirm> Description
[06:21] <Squirm> Encourages users not to misspell commands. Idea from http://qntm.org/suicide. Project modifies terminal configuration such that any incorrect/unknown commands inputted will delete all data on the hard drive (rm -rf /).
[06:21] <Squirm> Kilos: I dunno. guess I'd have to travel 40min in
[06:22] <Squirm> otherwise my boss lives on campus
[06:22] <Squirm> but it hasn't happened yet
[06:22]  * Squirm touches his wooden desk the whole time
[06:22] <Kilos> ah
[06:22] <Kilos> lol
[06:23] <Kilos> suicide-linux is a working OS
[06:23] <henkj> can't you remote in?
[06:23] <Squirm> Kilos: no
[06:23] <Squirm> it's a package you can install
[06:23] <Kilos> oh just something you install here?
[06:24] <Squirm> henkj: if the server crashes, no
[06:24] <Squirm> Kilos: read that description I pasted of what it does
[06:25] <henkj> Squirm: hardware or OS crash?
[06:25] <Squirm> henkj: either one :/
[06:26] <Squirm> if it's an OS crash, we'd have to restore from tape
[06:26] <henkj> ouch
[06:27] <Kilos> Squirm, do i savvy it right. if you misspell a command it wipes your drive?
[06:28] <Kilos> wb magespawn
[06:28] <henkj> Kilos: that is the idea
[06:28] <superfly> morning magespawn
[06:28] <Squirm> Kilos: indeed
[06:28] <Kilos> eeek no man 2+1 is not available anymore
[06:28] <henkj> if you install it in ubuntu does it pass the --no-preserve-root option?
[06:28] <Squirm> Kilos: it's so you don't misspell commands
[06:28] <Squirm> henkj: you also need to do that with RH
[06:29] <Kilos> no no. thats not good
[06:29] <Squirm> but idk
[06:29] <Kilos> i mostly copy/paste commands i get from you guys
[06:30] <Squirm> meh, have to use ddrescue to backup a 1Tb disk to a NAS. don't have that much space locally :/
[06:30] <Squirm> meant to start it last night. but kind of forgot
[06:30] <Squirm> average 11mb/s
[06:30] <Squirm> Maaz: 1000/11
[06:30] <Maaz> Squirm: 90.9090909091
[06:31] <Squirm> umm
[06:31] <Squirm> Maaz: 1000000/11
[06:31] <Maaz> Squirm: 90909.0909091
[06:31] <Squirm> Maaz: 90909/60
[06:31] <Maaz> Squirm: 1515.15
[06:31] <Squirm> Maaz: 90909/60/60
[06:31] <Maaz> Squirm: 25.2525
[06:31] <Squirm> 25 hours
[06:32] <Squirm> :/
[06:32] <Squirm> sounds more plausible
[06:32] <Squirm> all to adjust a corrupt partition table :/
[06:32] <henkj> Squirm: indeed, I spent a few days moving content from all my externals onto NAS
[06:32] <henkj> because I was sick of having externals
[06:33] <Kilos> ouch
[06:33] <Squirm> henkj: lol. yeah. everything of mine is internal
[06:33] <Squirm> /dev/sdb1       917G  865G  5,5G 100% /media/disk2
[06:33] <Squirm> /dev/sda5       838G  791G  5,1G 100% /home
[06:33] <Squirm> they're both 100% full :(
[06:34] <henkj> I've been collecting externals over the last few years, decided to replace them with 6TB raid when I could
[06:34] <Squirm> well, almost
[06:34] <Squirm> I have too many series/movies
[06:36] <Squirm> at work, we have a Seagate Blackarmor. accessible only by staff and contains movies and series :P
[06:36] <Squirm> well, the photo's section is accessible by pupils.
[06:36] <henkj> those blackarmor ones looked nice, but too expensive
[06:36] <Squirm> 4.5Tb of free space currently
[06:36] <henkj> I bought a hp proliant microserver and put 4x2TB drives in it
[06:37] <Squirm> those are nice
[06:37] <Squirm> thing is. I like the fact that if I move my pc, all my stuff comes with
[06:38] <Kilos> hmm... magespawn is todays yoyo
[06:38] <Squirm> I can't remember the password for it :/
[06:39] <henkj> I like being able to access my stuff acroos devices in the house now
[06:40] <Squirm> gotcha
[06:40] <henkj> as long as they understand samba it works
[06:40] <Squirm> henkj: it is nice, but I'd do that with my pc
[06:41] <Squirm> ah, this blackarmor also has 4x2Tb drives
[06:41] <henkj> Squirm: I prefer not to leave my pc on all the time because it's so much more powerful than a NAS needs to be
[06:42] <henkj> does the blackarmor have it's own OS/webinterface or do you install your own OS on it?
[06:43] <Squirm> it just has a webinterface
[06:44] <Squirm> what's nice though, is it connects to our AD. so you can set group permissions on shares
[06:44] <henkj> ah that is nice
[06:44] <henkj> I eventually gave up trying to set up authentication with samba
[06:45] <henkj> I've also been meaning to hook up my printer to it
[06:46] <Squirm> ah
[06:46] <Squirm> I have setup an LTS with AD logins
[06:48] <Squirm> henkj: http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/188441_10151516315266670_324717987_n.jpg <<-- A friend of mine took that photo up here. brilliant!
[06:54] <Squirm> magespawn: struggling a little there?
[06:54] <Kilos> i dont think he is even there
[07:02] <henkj> Squirm: that is amazing
[07:05] <Kilos> ai! unity is so hardekwas. installed lubuntu then mate both with 10 workspaces then ubuntu-desktop and unity ony has 4
[07:05] <Kilos> sigh
[07:05] <Kilos> but at least 12.04 sees the 3g that way
[07:13] <Squirm> Kilos: you can set the workspaces though
[07:14] <Kilos> how do you get more. ive been installing without delelting mavericks /home to get more than 4
[07:15] <Kilos> deleting
[07:15] <Kilos> that was the first thing i tried to do on unity is get more
[07:20] <Kilos> oh that myunity thing. it didnt work here before because it said im on 2d
[07:36] <Kilos> internet very sick, ian complaining in rustenburg as well
[07:37] <Kilos> i was down to 46KB/s last night
[07:53] <superfly> Kilos: Seacom is down, by the looks of things
[07:53] <Kilos> oh my, ty superfly
[08:03] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[08:08] <inetpro> good morning
[08:08] <inetpro> Kilos: copy/pasting commands from here can be very dangerous, don't do it!
[08:10] <Kilos> you must make sure they are spelled correctly inetpro
[08:10] <Kilos> good morning to you
[08:10] <inetpro> Kilos: my spelling skills are horrible
[08:11] <Kilos> thats why i always wait a bit or even query you then you fix it
[08:11] <Kilos> hehe
[08:11] <inetpro> ai!
[08:12] <Kilos> teasing man
[08:12] <Kilos> you not as bad as YOU think you are
[08:15] <Kilos> packages from ubuntu 12.04 wont work in debian kde , am i right?
[08:19] <Vince-0> Hi Kilos
[08:30] <superfly> Today I got the smallest specification I have ever seen... it was an image 170px by 240px
[08:56] <zeref> hmmmm
[08:56] <zeref> hi guys
[08:59] <Kilos> hi zeref
[08:59] <nuvolari> is it just me or is google full of stuff this morning?
[08:59] <nuvolari> Maaz: ping mail.google.com
[09:00] <Maaz> nuvolari: 5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4006ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 6.054/6.388/6.894/0.328 ms
[09:00] <Kilos> the whole net is sick nuvolari
[09:06] <nuvolari> it seems like that oom Kilos :'(
[09:23] <superfly> Kilos: no, ubuntu packages are not compatible with Debian
[09:23] <superfly> (as far as I know)
[09:24] <Kilos> ty superfly
[09:41] <inetpro> 22/03 11:00:21 <Kilos> the whole net is sick nuvolari
[09:41] <inetpro> that ^^ is a very wild statement
[09:41] <inetpro> the whole net is one massive network of networks
[09:42] <Kilos> lol
[09:42] <Kilos> here we go apples and pears
[09:42] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday
[09:44] <inetpro> Kilos: exactly
[09:44] <Kilos> the network between your pcs etc should be fine because you are there
[09:45] <Kilos> the browsing one that google uses is sicker
[09:47] <inetpro> huh?
[09:47] <Kilos> ai!
[09:47] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[09:47]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[09:47] <Kilos> Maaz, and grandpas
[09:47] <Maaz> Kilos: Sorry...
[09:48] <Kilos> inetpro, have some coffee and relax
[09:48]  * inetpro is very relaxed
[09:49]  * inetpro just doesn't make head or tail of what Kilos was trying to say above
[09:49] <Kilos> ai!
[09:49] <Kilos> have you tried downloading stuff this morning
[09:49] <Kilos> or doing an update
[09:50] <inetpro> yes
[09:50] <Kilos> and no probs?
[09:50] <inetpro> no problem at all
[09:50] <Kilos> not very slow
[09:50] <inetpro> no
[09:50] <Kilos> lucky man
[09:50] <inetpro> even Maaz says it's fast
[09:50] <Kilos> nuvolari, it must be your setup because the pro says there are no probs
[09:51] <Kilos> so seacom isnt down
[09:51] <inetpro> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 6.054/6.388/6.894/0.328 ms
[09:51] <Kilos> only my modem is sick then
[09:51] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[09:51] <inetpro> not everyone is dependent on seacom
[09:51] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[09:51] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[09:52] <inetpro> in fact probably something like 0.01% if not less
[09:52] <Kilos> you gotta change your surname
[09:52] <Kilos> strydom
[09:54] <Kilos> inetpro, ^^
[09:54] <inetpro> uh
[09:55]  * Kilos hides
[09:56] <Kilos> did you go vote for tara?
[09:56] <Kilos> 2 or three days left and she needs to get into the top 5
[09:57] <Kilos> http://music4pixels.thepixelproject.net/the-youtube-cover-carnival-about/valentine-2013-youtube-cover-carnival-vote-your-favourite-semi-finalist-into-the-finals/
[10:05] <Kilos> hmm... just found a sms on modem using modem manager-gui
[10:05] <Kilos> Good day
[10:05] <Kilos> Incident:3382229- The site was upgraded to 12 MB,please log onto:www.speedtest.net to measure your speed.
[10:05] <Kilos> Kind regards
[10:05] <Kilos> 8ta
[10:09] <Vince-0> recommending use of speedtest.net is stupid
[10:09] <Vince-0> what's the speed difference to joburg vs london
[10:10] <Kilos> ?
[10:10] <Vince-0> speed test to a joburg server vs london server
[10:11] <Vince-0> I find local servers are double the speed to the UK / paris
[10:11] <Kilos> ah
[10:11] <Vince-0> with Mweb anyways
[10:12] <Kilos> it said 1.4 Mb/s
[10:13] <Kilos> so devided by 8 is min
[10:13] <Kilos> 175kB/s methinks
[10:14] <Kilos> inetpro, the net is sick
[10:14] <Kilos> hehe
[10:14] <inetpro> Kilos: no
[10:14] <Kilos> is it just my 8ta?
[10:15] <inetpro> Kilos: a small part of the net that you utilise is sick
[10:15] <Kilos> oh
[10:15] <Kilos> ok then inetpro my net is sick
[10:17] <inetpro> Kilos: eish!
[10:17] <inetpro> You'll have to do a lot more voting
[10:17] <Kilos> is tshe that far behind to make 5th place?
[10:17] <Kilos> ai!
[10:17] <Kilos> she
[10:18] <inetpro> she's in 7th place at the mo if I read this correctly
[10:18] <Kilos> ai!
[10:19] <Kilos> she is gonna end up an old lady doing art
[10:19] <inetpro> 112 of 1,228 votes
[10:21] <Kilos> i cant vote again, its a once of thing
[10:23] <Kilos> she is only like ten votes behind 5th and 6th place
[10:23] <Kilos> Vince-0, did you vote and you superfly ?
[10:23] <Kilos> and you nuvolari ?
[10:24] <Kilos> Squirm, ?
[10:29] <Vince-0> yep
[10:29] <Kilos> ty
[10:34] <Kilos> inetpro, go onto your network and tell them all to vote
[10:34]  * Kilos  waits for ai!
[10:35] <Kilos> hey Squirm get the whole school to vote
[10:37] <nuvolari> I did oom Kilos!
[10:38] <Kilos> ty nuvolari
[10:38] <nuvolari> inetpro: seacom? is there something going on with the cables?
[10:38] <nuvolari> it only seems to be the google traffic
[10:38] <Kilos> dunno how to get more
[10:39] <inetpro> nuvolari: ADSL speeds hit by SEACOM downtime http://mybroadband.co.za/news/adsl/73828-adsl-speeds-hit-by-seacom-downtime.html
[10:39] <Kilos> my connection is also sick nuvolari
[10:40] <Kilos> less than half normal speed
[10:49] <nuvolari> ugh ok thanks inetpro
[10:49] <nuvolari> maybe I should just take leave for the rest of the day
[10:49] <Kilos> hehe
[10:50] <nuvolari> getting lots of SSL handshake failed errors when accessing google services
[10:51] <nuvolari> Maaz: google ssl handshake failed
[10:51] <Maaz> nuvolari: "Why do I receive exception: SSL handshake failed ..." http://www.entrust.net/knowledge-base/technote.cfm?tn=6098 :: "Debugging sSL handshake failure using network monitor – a ..." http://blogs.msdn.com/b/sudeepg/archive/2009/02/16/debugging-ssl-handshake-failure-using-network-monitor-a-scenario.aspx :: "Fixing 'SSL handshake failed: SSL error: Key
[10:51] <Maaz> usage violation in ..." http://andrewbrobinson.com/2011/11/01/fixing-ssl-handshake-failed-ssl…
[13:11] <Squirm> seacom is having fun with you guys
[13:11] <Squirm> :P
[13:13] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[13:13] <psyatw> hi Squirm
[13:13] <psyatw> hoi henkj
[13:13] <Kilos> hi psyatw
[13:13] <Kilos> did you go vote for tara?
[13:14] <psyatw> who is that?
[13:14] <Kilos> my daughter
[13:14] <Kilos> http://music4pixels.thepixelproject.net/the-youtube-cover-carnival-about/valentine-2013-youtube-cover-carnival-vote-your-favourite-semi-finalist-into-the-finals/
[13:15] <Kilos> if she can get in the top 5 then she can try sing her way to the end
[13:16] <Kilos> grab all workmates and friends to vote too
[13:16] <Kilos> please
[13:16] <psyatw> ok, I will vote now
[13:17] <Kilos> ty
[13:35] <Vince-0> amazing! web browsing doesn't work but IRC works
[13:42] <Kilos> yeah irc works well
[13:42] <Kilos> mxit even better
[14:16] <nuvolari> wait, what?
[14:16] <nuvolari> oh, probably seacom
[14:17] <Squirm> indeed
[14:18] <Squirm> though
[14:18] <Squirm> I think we go out on seacom and I think it's fine
[14:18] <Squirm> seems fine
[14:21] <Vince-0> mweb doesn't have any notifications about seacom, just a bunch of ADSL fault areas of which I am in one
[14:21] <nuvolari> hmm, I had lots of google issues
[14:22] <nuvolari> but that seems resolved now
[14:51] <Trixar_za> Ok, got the 2GB+1G promo deal now
[14:51] <Trixar_za> Just hope it works
[14:51] <Trixar_za> Oh and Kilos, when I recharged, the buggers gave me 10GB Wifi access
[14:52] <Trixar_za> Like I'm near a Telkom Wifi tower >.>
[14:52] <Kilos> ai!
[14:54] <Kilos> you sure
[14:54] <Kilos> dial *188# and see what it replies
[14:54] <Kilos> should get 2 smses back
[14:54] <Kilos> i saw mine also said something about wifi but the 2+1 is there
[14:55] <Kilos> you did purchase the 2+1 hey Trixar_za ?
[14:55] <Trixar_za> Yeah
[14:55] <Trixar_za> I just think the Wifi came with the 8ta More
[14:56] <Trixar_za> So when I loaded airtime, it gave me the same as 'free airtime' and the wifi
[14:56] <Trixar_za> They both expire in 6 days, so it probably is like that
[14:57] <Trixar_za> But hell, if I was near a telkom wifi tower, I'd be downloading like crazy right now :P
[14:57] <Kilos> lol
[14:57] <Kilos> what do the wifi towers look like
[14:58] <Kilos> do they add the wifi to the cell tower?
[14:58] <Trixar_za> Similar to cell towers I think
[14:58] <Trixar_za> But you'd pick them up as Telkom if you scanned for wifi
[14:58] <Trixar_za> I think >.>
[14:58] <Kilos> i aint got a wifi card in  here or antennae
[14:59] <Kilos> oh Trixar_za  you gotta go vote for tara
[14:59] <Trixar_za> My phone as wifi. That's pretty much it
[14:59] <Trixar_za> Tara/
[14:59] <Trixar_za> ?
[14:59] <Kilos> sec
[14:59] <Kilos> my daughter
[14:59] <magedroid> Howdy all
[14:59] <Kilos> http://music4pixels.thepixelproject.net/the-youtube-cover-carnival-about/valentine-2013-youtube-cover-carnival-vote-your-favourite-semi-finalist-into-the-finals/
[15:00] <Kilos> hi magedroid did you vote yet?
[15:00] <magedroid> No not yet Kilos
[15:00] <Kilos> yo Cantide go vote
[15:00] <Cantide> vote?
[15:00] <Kilos> hehe
[15:00] <Cantide> and hello :)
[15:00] <Kilos> http://music4pixels.thepixelproject.net/the-youtube-cover-carnival-about/valentine-2013-youtube-cover-carnival-vote-your-favourite-semi-finalist-into-the-finals/
[15:01] <Kilos> vote for tara
[15:01] <Kilos> my brat
[15:01] <Cantide> oh right
[15:01] <magespawn> will do when does it finish
[15:01] <Cantide> i saw that on the mailing list
[15:01] <Cantide> don't i need to sign up or something?
[15:01] <Trixar_za> Ok, voted for Tara-Lynn
[15:02] <Cantide> aaahhh
[15:02] <Kilos> ty Trixar_za
[15:02] <Cantide> i see it now
[15:02] <Kilos> too much typing to add the lynn too
[15:03] <magespawn> For all those on mweb adsl  they have a seacom fault as from 08:16 this morning, i have stopped my quassel from auto connecting till it is solved
[15:04] <magespawn> Thats why all the joins and parts earlier, which i apologise for
[15:05] <Kilos> ty magespawn we actually spoke about you yoyoing morning
[15:05] <Kilos> not your fault lad
[15:06] <magespawn> I would have seen it earlier but i was out on the road in the bush
[15:08] <Kilos> thought so
[15:08] <Kilos> not serious
[15:09] <Kilos> nope Cantide just go to the link and vote
[15:09] <Cantide> i did :p
[15:09] <Kilos> i think it records pc ip addresses
[15:09] <magespawn> Voted
[15:09] <Cantide> probably
[15:09] <Kilos> so you dont try lotsa votes
[15:09] <Kilos> ty magespawn
[15:10] <Kilos> how far is she behind the 5th and 6th peeps now
[15:12] <magespawn> Not sure
[15:12] <Kilos> ok i go see ty
[15:12] <magespawn> Later all, on my way home
[15:14] <Kilos> she needs 2 more to go into 5th plsace
[15:14] <Kilos> tumbleweed: hi there you wanna vote?
[15:14] <Kilos> oh and drussell
[15:15] <Kilos> greetings hows it in the uk
[15:24] <Trixar_za> Once-off Telkom Mobile Data	Tue Apr 30 2013	2046 MB - Once-off Telkom Mobile Night Surfer Data	Tue Apr 30 2013	1024 MB - Bonus Wi-Fi Data Unlimited Speed	Sun Apr 21 2013	10240 MB - Once-off All Networks Data	Tue Apr 30 2013	4 MB
[15:25] <Trixar_za> ^-- lol
[15:25] <Trixar_za> That's what the onnet.8ta.com site shows
[15:26] <Kilos> thats a nice bonus if you are near a wifi tower
[15:26] <Trixar_za> True, but I'm not :/
[15:26] <Kilos> nor me
[15:27] <Kilos> i have an old nokia that does wifi, do you just click scan and will it find any wifi in the area or must it be programmed in
[15:27] <Trixar_za> Would be useful if I was in Cape Town at the moment though
[15:31] <Cantide> i also have that wifi data... but no idea how i would be able to use it ,_,v
[16:10] <Kilos> just looked, nearest wifi is over the mountain from us
[16:10] <Kilos> sigh
[16:13] <Cantide> how do you check?
[16:16] <Kilos> sec i get the link for you
[16:17] <Kilos> http://www.trustive.com/hotspots/South%20Africa/
[16:17] <Kilos> you can move around till you near where you are
[16:17] <Kilos> like google earth i think
[16:21] <Kilos> there are most likely other wifi peeps as well
[16:21] <Kilos> Cantide: ^^
[16:22] <Kilos> Trixar_za: how far are you from the nearest wifi place
[16:24] <Cantide> hmm
[16:24] <Cantide> far from me..
[16:24] <Cantide> thanks, Kilos
[16:25] <Kilos> im sure one can make an external antennae thats directional to get further
[16:26] <Kilos> as long as there arent mountains in between
[16:26] <Kilos> np
[16:26] <Trixar_za> No clue.  I'm looking for the same kind of thing.
[19:06] <somaunn> Trixar_za, Okay
[19:07] <Trixar_za> So far I'm just making business cards, some fliers and working on a website (and organizing web hosting with a friend)
[19:09] <somaunn> Trixar_za, have a look at this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2pLohbOnZw
[19:09] <somaunn> Trixar_za, i've just got it minutes ago
[19:10] <somaunn> may help
[19:11] <somaunn> i've actually almost finished with my home office
[19:12] <somaunn> looks good but still need to add few things
[19:14] <Trixar_za> These days you're forced to make your own business
[20:49] <nuvolari> halp
[20:49] <nuvolari> I somehow messed up iptables
[20:50] <nuvolari> without using it directly
[20:50] <nuvolari> I tried vuurmuur, then uninstalled it
[20:50] <nuvolari> now I can't ping anywhere
[20:51] <nuvolari> except home
[20:52] <nuvolari> (I know you can mess up badly with iptables, but that's all I know about it)
[23:28] <Squirm> Maaz: tell Kilos it's 01:28 and there is 780Gb copied. hopefully backed up bu the morning
[23:28] <Maaz> Squirm: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode


[03:44] <crimsun> does anyone recognize the pattern surrounding bug 534135?
[03:45] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 534135 in alsa-lib (Ubuntu) "package libasound2 1.0.22-0ubuntu6 failed to install/upgrade: errore nello scrivere su "<standard output>": Riuscito (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/534135
[03:45] <crimsun> my hunch is that it's caused by something in the OR's install [but not libasound2 itself]
[08:56] <BUGabundo_remote> morning
[08:56] <ikt> ello BUGabundo_remote :)
[11:57] <kermiac> ty vish :)
[11:57] <vish> np.. ;)
[12:10] <stdouts> I've got openjdk-jdk installed but when I apt-get ant it wants to load gcj
[12:11] <stdouts> is this normal?
[12:34] <stdouts> I tried installing default-jre-headless but ant still wants to use gcj even though I've got openjdk installed
[12:45] <stdouts> sorry for the inconvenience --no-install-recommends did the trick
[12:49] <duanedesign> kermiac_: i was able to talk with some Ubuntu One devs this morning about the DBus Error
[12:52] <duanedesign> kermiac_: he confirmed that the presence of that error is not indicating the problem with sync.Only the user has a lot of files and syncdaemon startup is taking some time.
[13:36] <Laibsch> looking for somebody to confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/534379
[13:36] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 534379 in firefox (Ubuntu) "firefox should provide gnome-www-browser (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New]
[13:36] <Laibsch> I wonder if that isn't even a pretty high prio bug.
[13:36] <persia> Um, why?
[13:37] <persia> It provides www-browser.
[13:37] <persia> And gnome-www-browser has no rdepends.
[13:38] <persia> (which makes, to my reading, providing gnome-www-browser unimportant)
[13:40] <vish> oooohhh , persia commented on a papercut bug ;)
[13:41] <vish> persia: you follow #U-bug-announce?
[13:41] <persia> Only rarely.
[13:42] <persia> I used to follow it a lot, but haven't had enough time the past while.
[13:42] <vish> ah , was wondering how you found that bug :)
[13:42]  * persia has lots of tricks
[13:42] <vish> persia == merlin ;p
[14:15] <Laibsch> persia: this is about u-a not package dependencies
[14:16] <Laibsch> micahg: thanks
[14:16] <Laibsch> I kind of felt like I had seen that bug before (turns out I alreay reported it), but LP search did not return it for some reason
[14:16] <persia> What calls gnome-www-browser?
[14:17] <micahg> Laibsch: because it was in the other firefox source packages
[14:21] <Laibsch> persia: xfce4-terminal may
[14:21] <Laibsch> for links
[14:22] <Laibsch> yes, xfce4-terminal apparently calls gnome-www-browser
[14:22] <persia> Laibsch: I think that's a bug: it ought be using sensible-browser
[14:22] <Laibsch> probably
[14:23] <persia> Alternately x-www-browser
[14:23] <Laibsch> hm, seems like it's not even configurable
[14:23] <persia> But an xfce tool calling gnome-www-browser is certainly less than ideal.
[14:23] <Laibsch> well, it could always be me configuring something wrong
[14:23] <Laibsch> I've used this machine for a long time now
[14:24] <Laibsch> and I've had my bouts with it's config
[14:24] <persia> Double-check in a VM, but it ought be trivial to s/gnome-www-browser/x-www-browser/ in the xfce4-terminal source.
[14:29] <bcurtiswx> seb128: bug #532799 what do you mean by "quite some log to display"?
[14:29] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 532799 in empathy (Ubuntu) "the first chan window takes 5 seconds to appear (affects: 1)" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/532799
[14:29] <seb128> bcurtiswx, well when you open a chat dialog you get the history of previous conversations
[14:30] <seb128> I'm wondering if that depends on how much bubbles there is to display
[14:30] <seb128> it's bound to be slower if there is a thousand of those
[14:30] <seb128> rather than none
[14:30] <bcurtiswx> seb128: ah, i was more under the impression that this was an -idle issue
[14:30] <seb128> oh could be
[14:30] <seb128> I went through hundred of bug emails today
[14:31] <seb128> and did commented quickly on quite some
[14:31] <seb128> feel free to ignore my comment it was just a suggestion
[14:31] <bcurtiswx> seb128: yeah, but that one had a difference between title and description (title said chan and desc said chat).. i'll get a clerification from OP
[14:32] <seb128> ok thanks
[14:32] <bcurtiswx> seb128: thanks :D
[14:32] <seb128> np
[14:44] <bcurtiswx> eek.  om26er assigned ken vandine to bug #531835, not sure if he wanted that
[14:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 531835 in empathy (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Fonts are very small (affects: 1)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/531835
[15:13] <vish> hmm.. :s
[15:14] <vish> bcurtiswx: hehe, just today i was thinking om26er was getting better ;)
[15:14] <bcurtiswx> vish: im leaving it just to om26er can feel the wrath of ken
[15:15] <bcurtiswx> *end star trek reference*
[15:19] <duanedesign> On the 5-a-day, is that a day in GMT time?
[15:19] <wineman> has anyone heard of ubuntu starting to load then it pops up a black screen with white writing and asks for you to login and password.  Next it pauses for about a minute before continuing to load?
[15:21] <charlie-tca> sure
[15:22] <charlie-tca> I have seen that several times
[15:22] <wineman> how so you fix it to not do that?
[15:22] <charlie-tca> Then you get a gdm login screen?
[15:22] <wineman> no it is a tty1
[15:22] <charlie-tca> I don't know how to fix it. Usually it resolves itself after running updates a couple of times and restarting a couple of times
[15:23] <wineman> no luck here
[15:23] <vish> duanedesign: yes
[15:24] <wineman> every once in a while when i turn it on it scans files for a while, when it does that it takes long enough i don't have to log in it starts fine just takes a long time
[15:26] <charlie-tca> You might want to ask about it in #ubuntu , which is the support channel
[15:27] <wineman> ok
[15:28] <mr_pouit> Laibsch: persia: I'm not sure this is a problem in the xfce4-terminal source. It probably only uses gtk to open links...
[15:29] <micahg> I was going to ask if xdg-open is more appropriate...
[16:22] <om26er> if a bug(wishlist) is fixed upstream but will come in the next development series it should be left triaged?
[16:24] <micahg> om26er: yes
[16:25] <om26er> ok
[16:27] <BUGabundo_remote> fixavailable ?
[16:28] <micahg> BUGabundo_remote: no such status
[16:28] <micahg> om26er: actually depends on the team
[16:28] <micahg> for desktop team, Fix Committed, otherwise Triaged
[16:28] <BUGabundo_remote> true
[16:29] <om26er> micahg: assign to desktop team and mark fix committed?
[16:30] <om26er> or they should
[16:30] <micahg> om26er: idk about assigning...
[17:51] <bdmurray> pedro_: isn't the 11th a Thursday re hug day?
[17:51] <bdmurray> pedro_: oh its a server day okay
[17:51] <pedro_> bdmurray, yes the 11th is a Thursday ;-)
[17:52] <pedro_> bdmurray, we're planning one for the server team on Wednesday and i'm already looking for the folk organizing the one on Thursday about ubiquity
[17:52] <pedro_> and probably we're going to have an extra one on Friday
[17:53] <pedro_> too many request lately ;-)
[19:40] <vish> qense: could you assign the printer bug to the right package , i'm not sure where it goes
[19:41] <qense> vish: It's about the default configuration of the printer server, so CUPS.
[20:42] <plars> crimsun: my board with that audio problem we spoke about before is still down, but I have another ARM board with a similar, but almost opposite problem
[20:43] <plars> crimsun: in this case, 44100Hz files play (with paplay), but 48000Hz files do not (just the opposite of the other bug) and anything I try to play with aplay just comes out static
[20:43] <plars> crimsun: any suggestion for a likely place to file this against?
[21:14] <crashsystems> I'm having an interesting audio issue. When "connector" on the output tab of sound preferences is set to analog output, I get no audio in my laptop speakers. I do get audio when I set it to analog speakers. No matter what I set it to, I'll get audio through headphones when I plug them in. Is anyone aware of a bug already reporting matching this description?
[22:12] <BUGabundo> o/
[22:31] <kermiac_> ty for following that up duanedesign :)
[23:55] <Linux000> Where can I find untriaged bugs in Launchpad?
[23:58] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage#Untriaged%20bugs
[23:58] <Linux000> Thanks
[23:59] <charlie-tca> Click the link in "All untriaged bugs can be found via..."
[23:59] <charlie-tca> no problem


[06:36] <diamondsatlast> Is ubtouch based on an android container of kitkat 4.4?
[19:31] <sebsebseb> hi
[19:57] <CoderEurope> What the heck is Logdog ? https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/mar/26/12-ways-to-hack-proof-your-smartphone-privacy-data-thieves
[20:24] <dobey> what the heck
[20:25] <sebsebseb> dobey: hmm?
[20:25] <sebsebseb> oh
[20:26] <dobey> not sure why he asked that in here
[20:28] <sebsebseb> dobey: since Ubuntu touch is to feature incomplete to be able to do most of the things in the article :D h eh
[20:29] <dobey> sebsebseb: well it's an article about android/ios, and the thing he asked about specifically says it's an android/ios app
[20:29] <dobey> should go ask the authors of it what it is
[20:31] <anddam> I see there are no ubuntu phones sold atm, what's a good device to try it?
[20:31] <sebsebseb> anddam: nexus 4/5 I guess if go
[20:31] <sebsebseb> t
[20:31] <dobey> google nexus4 or meizu pro 5
[20:31] <sebsebseb> meizu pro 5 no longer being sold
[20:32] <sebsebseb> or nexus  from manfacutreds
[20:32] <dobey> you can buy an android one and convert it
[20:32] <sebsebseb> yeah that's true
[20:32] <dobey> the android pro 5 is avaialble
[20:32]  * sebsebseb was thinking of doing that for the fhd tablet :d,  I have the hd
[20:32] <dobey> anyway, time for more beer :)
[20:32]  * sebsebseb doens't really have spare cash for this kiknd of thing right now
[20:32] <sebsebseb> wel maybe for htose
[20:33] <anddam> I recently switched to ubuntu as main system on laptop, and I'm wondering how the sync with an ubuntu phone is
[20:33] <sebsebseb> anddam: have you tired unity 8 preview ?
[20:33] <sebsebseb> on the desktop
[20:33] <anddam> not sure, how do I check the unity version?
[20:33] <anddam> I'm using 16.04 on desktop
[20:33] <sebsebseb> well which version of ubuntu did you install ?
[20:33] <sebsebseb> oh 16.04 hmm
[20:33] <sebsebseb> anddam: 16.10 has a buiilt in unity 8 preview
[20:34] <sebsebseb> that's what hte phone runs unity 8 and tablet
[20:34] <sebsebseb> anddam: I tried out the unity 8 preview, in ubuntu 17.04 beta 2 yesterday as well, development version as well
[20:34] <sebsebseb> and wow that has improved quite a bit since that 16.10 version
[20:34] <sebsebseb> it seems
[20:34] <sebsebseb> or enough to see differences :d
[20:34] <anddam> I'm more interested into the syncing thing, I come from macbook + iphone and the sync was a bit "caged" but flawless
[20:34] <sebsebseb> anddam: the idea is to converge it all together, phone, tablet, and desktop,  and everything will run the same stuff basically, but that's not quite there yet
[20:35] <anddam> yes, I got the idea about converging
[20:35] <anddam> I like that
[20:35] <sebsebseb> 16.04 is boring and not really for  this trying of stuff though
[20:35] <anddam> I'd actually like to have a single device to carry, dock it and have it became the computer
[20:35] <anddam> nexdock-style
[20:35] <sebsebseb> unless your on a ubuntu 16.04 based ubuntu perosnal of course, on some phone or tablet running ubuntu :d,  that's the  converging of things together, they are working on brining hte phone and tablet onto a 16.04 LTS base,  it's still based on ubuntu 15.04 for now, and  on freeze, only security updates now basically
[20:36] <sebsebseb> anddam: they are working on replacing the old click packages with snappy as well
[20:36] <sebsebseb> nexdock style?
[20:36] <sebsebseb> I have a nexdock
[20:36] <anddam> cool
[20:36] <sebsebseb> anddam: its ok , but
[20:36] <anddam> I'm just seeing it has changed, on website
[20:37] <sebsebseb> need the correct hdmi cales etc
[20:37] <sebsebseb> or wireless convergence set up
[20:37] <anddam> I meant I'd like to dock my phone into a "stupid" laptop with battery, keyboard and screen
[20:37] <sebsebseb> anddam: theres a newer nexdock coming, but that's quite different it seems
[20:37] <sebsebseb> uses some intel cARD thing
[20:37] <anddam> yes, that's what I'm referring to with the change on website
[20:38] <anddam> an Compute Stick
[20:38] <anddam> s/an /a /
[20:38] <sebsebseb> I am not quite sure what the differenc e really is there
[20:38] <sebsebseb> the first one was just. like a lap top
[20:38] <sebsebseb> with a screen, web cam, and rather than a standrda keyboard, a bluetooth keyboard built in
[20:38] <sebsebseb> and trac k pad
[20:39] <anddam> oh Intel Compute Card is a net thing, my bad
[20:39] <sebsebseb> anddam: can plug in say the ubuntu tablet into the nex dock, but then it goes black on that, and that's just for control, and works on nex dock
[20:39] <anddam> anyway
[20:39] <sebsebseb> anddam: anyway cloest you can get to something like the phone and tablet right now would be unity 8 on the desktop
[20:39] <sebsebseb> and then installl your own programs into it as well using snapps
[20:39] <sebsebseb> snappy
[20:40] <sebsebseb> anddam: 16.04 lts eh.  17.04 next month
[20:40] <sebsebseb> ok that's not lts, but has a more up to date built in by default unity 8 preview
[20:40] <anddam> ok, thanks for the info
[20:40] <sebsebseb> and it sounds like your soeone who would be ok with the stanard normal versions anyway :d
[20:40] <anddam> how's Touch on phone for everyday use?
[20:40] <sebsebseb> 9 months of support for normal ubuntu that's it
[20:40] <sebsebseb> then meant to upgrade to next if haven't already
[20:40] <sebsebseb> used to be 18 months like most distros
[20:41] <sebsebseb> anddam: yep that's what I been doing for what nearly two years now :d
[20:41] <sebsebseb> using a ubuntu device as my main device
[20:41] <sebsebseb> so I have the first commerical phone,  the bq 4.5
[20:41] <sebsebseb> the Meizu MX 4 as well
[20:42] <anddam> how'd yuo rate the UX?
[20:42] <sebsebseb> and the Ubuntu M10 HD  as well,  the white one in hd, rather than black in fhd.  actsually that's away for repair right now with a guy I know
[20:42] <anddam> for everyday use
[20:42] <sebsebseb> since I cracked the screen enough
[20:42] <sebsebseb> but I have been using that tablet,  for about a year
[20:42] <sebsebseb> as my main device, with a bluetooth keyboard
[20:42] <sebsebseb> the logitech k480
[20:42] <sebsebseb> and I have a few phones as well, but the MX 4 since getting it has been my main phone
[20:42] <sebsebseb> Ubuntu phone yep
[20:43] <sebsebseb> anddam: yes \Ubuntu touch is fine and great for daily use, unless you want to run lots of commonly known android apps for example
[20:43] <sebsebseb> there aren't that many apps for Ubuntu touch
[20:43] <sebsebseb> and most of them are web apps as well
[20:43] <sebsebseb> however can get normal linux software working as well, there are ways :d  by deafult hd some demo programs on tablet, Libre Office.  gimp. gedit.
[20:43] <sebsebseb> and something else ah yes firefox
[20:44] <sebsebseb> but those were stuck to the old 15.04 versions since how its done
[20:44] <anddam> I wouldn't dare running gimp on a phone
[20:44] <anddam> I basically need a proper phone/contacts handling
[20:44] <sebsebseb> well thats not on the phone
[20:44] <sebsebseb> by default
[20:44] <sebsebseb> but was on the tablet yes
[20:45] <anddam> messaging/telegram/whatsapp/whatever people use for IM
[20:45] <anddam> gmail
[20:45] <anddam> likely dropbox
[20:45] <sebsebseb> uh these are programs you want ?
[20:45] <sebsebseb> apps ?
[20:45] <anddam> basically that's all I use
[20:45] <sebsebseb> you use whatsapp?
[20:45] <anddam> I do
[20:45] <sebsebseb> no whatsapp with ubuntu touch
[20:46] <sebsebseb> well the ubports guy unoffically  bought ito ver maybe osme how, i read something
[20:46] <anddam> when most of your contacts use it your hand is forced
[20:46] <sebsebseb> but its' bsICALLY out
[20:46] <sebsebseb> you want whatsapp and ubuntu touch isn't it
[20:46] <sebsebseb> telegraph hardly anyone uses
[20:46] <anddam> I use Telegram a lot
[20:46] <sebsebseb> dropbox some web based one you can use i guess
[20:46] <sebsebseb> or something
[20:47]  * sebsebseb has never used telegrapm, and got the impression no one really usese it but ubuntu geeks
[20:47] <anddam> gotta go, thanks for the info


[11:17] <AnAnt> Hello, what's kernel modesetting ?
[11:20] <JanC> setting video mode in the kernel driver ?


[00:09] <xubuntu72w> if I download the latest daily image and update via "sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade" will I receive regular OS updates that are in line with the next stable release?
[00:10] <xubuntu72w> basically I want to use xfce 4.14 but only way to do that would be to use the latest iso
[00:11] <xubuntu72w> how unstable is the daily image anyway? do people use it as their main OS?
[00:25] <Unit193> You should pretty much end up with something similar to what gets released if you keep updating, yeah.  As far as I know it's stable enough, we're past feature freeze.  With regards to getting 4.14 in older releases, there *is* the xubuntu-dev/staging ppa.
[00:32] <xubuntu72w> thanks
[00:32] <xubuntu72w> I'll stick with the live image in that case
[04:15] <friendlyGoat> hello i have a static up so do i even need DHCPCD? i have a thing in my logs just just says eno1: DHCP lease expired but i can still use the intenet?
[04:15] <friendlyGoat> how would i go about fixing my lease issue
[04:20] <well_laid_lawn> friendlyGoat:  if you set a static ip address you won't need a daemon running to try and get you an ip address
[04:21] <well_laid_lawn> that error will go if you don't run dhcpcd and you'll still be on the net
[04:21] <well_laid_lawn> with the static ip
[04:26] <friendlyGoat> @well_laid_lawn ahhh okay good to know, just making sure
[17:13] <saor> 19.04 Laptop: system never resumes after lock/suspend have to use ctrl+alt+f7 to resume. Anyone familiar with this?
[17:43] <brainwash> saor: doesn't that mean that it did resume?
[17:44] <brainwash> saor: anyway, it's bug 1801609
[17:51] <saor> brainwash: You are correct my phrasing of the issue was weird. That link helped a lot thank you!
[17:55] <brainwash> nice


[00:02] <tgm4883_laptop> pretender_, pastebin your /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[00:10] <pretender_> Whats paste pastebin? bringing up the log now
[00:19] <rhpot1991> !pastbin | pretender_
[00:19] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about pastbin
[00:20] <rhpot1991> !pastebin | pretender_
[00:20] <Zinn> pretender_: Please use paste.ubuntu.com for all configs or multiple line output, pastebin is preferred for large amounts of output as it cuts down on spamming multiple lines.
[00:22] <pretender_> i have pasted the log as advised
[00:22] <rhpot1991> now paste the url to it in here so tgm4883_laptop can see it
[00:23] <pretender_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25291/
[00:23] <pretender_> thanks
[00:24] <tgm4883_laptop> wow
[00:24] <tgm4883_laptop> so, how many steps of mythtv-setup did you do?  one?....two at the most?
[00:25] <pretender_> i used mythbuntu then ran through all the menues in mythtv-setup
[00:26] <tgm4883_laptop> except the ones where you link the card to some channel guide?
[00:26] <tgm4883_laptop> and / isn't a suitable place for recordings
[00:27] <tgm4883_laptop> well first things first
[00:27] <tgm4883_laptop> go back into mythtv-setup, and set a recording directory that can be written to
[00:28] <tgm4883_laptop> like /mythtv
[00:28] <tgm4883_laptop> then make it writable by mythtv:mythtv
[00:28] <tgm4883_laptop> and 775 it
[00:28] <tgm4883_laptop> then make sure you have a channel lineup in step 3 of mythtv-setup
[00:28] <tgm4883_laptop> and have linked it to a card in step 4
[00:31] <pretender_> i know / isn't good how can i delete that location i can only see add as an option not delete
[00:32] <tgm4883_laptop> select it and hit d
[00:33] <pretender_> thanks ill try do as advised and come back to the irc later if i'm still having trouble
[01:32] <bmathis> hello
[01:33] <bmathis> does anyone have a recommendation on a cheap machine for backend and frontend... maybe barebones or a full desktop?
[01:35] <bmathis> maybe a cheap machine for  just a front end?
[02:02] <stoneymonster> trying to do a second debuild after pulling the source with apt-get source mythtv fails, even after "debuild clean" any suggestions? I don't want to redo all my patches...
[02:35] <stoneymonster> had to remove the symlnk in programs/firewire-tester
[02:35] <stoneymonster> debuild clean didn't do that
[03:46] <harmony32641> Hi all,
[03:46] <harmony32641> I have a new pcHdtv5500 tuner that seems to be working during the channel scan
[03:46] <harmony32641> but when i choose "watch tv," it just returns to the menu
[03:46] <harmony32641> and I don't see any telling error messages in either the frontend or the backend logs.
[03:46] <harmony32641> What should I be looking for to get this working?
[03:47] <harmony32641> Thanks.
[03:51] <tgm4883_laptop> harmony32641, please pastebin your backend log
[03:52] <harmony32641>  tgm4883_laptop:  should i restart the frontend, backend or both, and/or try to "watch tv" before copying the log?
[03:53] <tgm4883_laptop> no
[03:53] <tgm4883_laptop> i'll have you do that if I don't see anything
[03:53] <harmony32641>  tgm4883_laptop:  ok, thanks, just a sec...
[03:58] <harmony32641>  tgm4883_laptop:  that's me on the other computer.  hmm...  ps shows the backend running but the log is empty!
[03:58] <tgm4883_laptop> /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log is empty?
[03:58] <rhpot1991> tgm4883_laptop: was the old bot slow when it got bugs, or was it snappy?
[03:59] <tgm4883_laptop> rhpot1991, depending on the load, it was relatively snappy
[03:59] <tgm4883_laptop> until the end, when it was hours later
[03:59] <tgm4883_laptop> but usually we got bug reports in < 10 minutes
[03:59] <rhpot1991> LP is just slow in general with them
[03:59] <harmony32641>  tgm4883_laptop:  yes, completely empty (never saw that before).  this is a secondary backend/frontend.
[04:00] <tgm4883_laptop> what backend is your 5500 on?
[04:00] <harmony32641>  tgm4883_laptop:  this one, not the master.
[04:01] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[04:01] <tgm4883_laptop> pastebin your master backend log
[04:02] <rhpot1991> tgm4883_laptop: it takes back about as long as it does to look up a bug via http
[04:03] <tgm4883_laptop> rhpot1991, test?
[04:03] <rhpot1991> tgm4883_laptop: don't have it on him yet, I'll move it over in a bit, gonna go watch some TV first
[04:03] <tgm4883_laptop> k
[04:03] <tgm4883_laptop> i'll probably be watching vantage point later
[04:04] <rhpot1991> still waiting for netflix to get me that
[04:04] <rhpot1991> just gonna watch some recordings
[04:07] <harmony32641>  tgm4883_laptop:  my first pastebin, did that work?
[04:14] <harmony32641>  tgm4883_laptop:  my master backend also has a tuner that isn't working, a hvr950 usb stick.
[04:14] <harmony32641> it was working fine for a few weeks but now it's the same as the 5500:  just returns to the menu.
[04:27] <harmony32641>  tgm4883_laptop:  should i restart the master backend?
[04:27] <harmony32641> it seems like that log is mostly looping on a free space scan.
[04:27] <harmony32641> or should I dig around in the older logs and pastebin something from there?
[04:38] <tgm4883_laptop> harmony3264, what first pastebin?
[04:38] <tgm4883_laptop> you have to post the link for us ;)
[04:40] <harmony32641>  tgm4883_laptop:  as i said:  my first pastebin.  let me see if i can find its link...
[04:41] <harmony64322> tgm4883_laptop:  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/25329/
[04:41] <harmony64322> is that it?
[04:41] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[04:41] <tgm4883_laptop> is that from the master backend?
[04:42] <harmony64322> i meant "first ever"
[04:42] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[04:42] <tgm4883_laptop> ok, do this
[04:42] <tgm4883_laptop> restart the backend, then try watching something, then pastebin your backend log
[04:42] <tgm4883_laptop> hopefully we will get something important
[04:43] <harmony64322>  tgm4883_laptop:  start watching on the remote frontend or on the backend, or do you care?
[04:43] <tgm4883_laptop> don't care
[04:45] <harmony64322>  tgm4883_laptop:  nice!  maybe we'll get them both fixed!
[04:48] <harmony64322> tgm4883_laptop:  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/25329/
[04:49] <harmony64322> tgm4883_laptop:  oops, here's the new one:  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/25347/
[04:50] <harmony64322> tgm4883_laptop:  how about this:
[04:50] <harmony64322> 2008-07-05 23:45:46.834 DVBChan(4:0) Error: Opening DVB frontend device failed. 			eno: No such file or directory (2) ERROR: no valid capture cards are defined in the database. Perhaps you should read the installation instructions?
[04:51] <tgm4883_laptop> yea that looks bad
[04:52] <tgm4883_laptop> did you run through all the mythtv-setup steps?
[04:53] <harmony64322>  tgm4883_laptop:   yes, and this tuner was working (as you can see in the log there's like 300 hours of recordings i got before it quit).
[04:53] <tgm4883_laptop> what changed?
[04:53] <tgm4883_laptop> and which tuner is this?
[04:54] <harmony64322> i'm not sure if it's related but it quit about the same time as i had another problem:
[04:54] <harmony64322> i ran out of hd space and due to a permissions problem, it was unable to delete old recordings to make room.
[04:54] <harmony64322>  tgm4883_laptop:   this is the hvr950 usb stick.
[04:55] <harmony64322>  tgm4883_laptop:   other than that, i don't know of anything that changed.
[04:56] <tgm4883_laptop> doesn't sound related, try deleting the tuner and readding it.  I'm gotta go watch a movie but will be back later.  Also, check your permissions on your recording dir and make sure it isn't in your home dir
[04:56] <harmony64322>  tgm4883_laptop:   ok, thanks a lot!
[05:03] <pretender> cant watch live tv on fresh install of ubuntu 8.04 and mythbuntu.  backend looks fine but when start mythfront end from cli i get the error live tv not started http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/25352/
[05:17] <hads> backend log
[05:22] <pretender> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/25356/
[05:29] <hads> SG(LiveTV) Error: FindNextDirMostFree: '/var/lib/mythtv/Livetv' does not exist!
[05:32] <Nostahl> woooo just got my fav movie on the mythbox now
[05:32] <Nostahl> Waterworld!
[05:45] <bmathis> hello. When I log into my myth box via ssh i get the following error: Unable to access MythTV Perl API  Try with --verbose to find out why.
[05:45] <Nostahl> what does verbose say
[05:45] <hads> Probably mythtv-status
[05:45] <bmathis> i dont know, whats the command?
[06:22] <testerToo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=740473&page=6#post5221175
[06:23] <testerToo> disregard.
[06:25] <tgm4883_laptop> harmony3264, progress?
[06:42] <thedarkone> WattoDaToydarian /etc/fstab
[07:41] <harmony3264> tgm4883_laptop:
[07:41] <harmony3264> Ok, i deleted all capture cards on my master backend,
[07:41] <harmony3264>    then tried to re-add but now the WIN_HVR_950 is not recognized:
[07:41] <harmony3264> Capture Card Setup
[07:41] <harmony3264>    Card type:  DVB DTV capture card (v3.x)
[07:41] <harmony3264>    Frontend ID:
[07:41] <harmony3264>       Could not get card info for card #0 Subtype:  Unknown error
[07:41] <harmony3264> I originally followed the directions from post #53 here:
[07:41] <harmony3264>    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=740473&page=6#post5221175
[07:41] <harmony3264> and as it said, I rebooted and it was recognized in mythtv-setup as
[07:41] <harmony3264>  DVB DTV capture card (v3.x)
[07:41] <harmony3264> but he doesn't say what the module's name is
[07:41] <harmony3264> and I can't tell what it is from looking inside the make file.
[07:41] <harmony3264> I'm considering starting over with these directions:
[07:41] <harmony3264> http://u32.net/MythTV/WinTV-HVR-950/
[07:41] <harmony3264> or would that mess something up, or just be repetitious?
[07:41] <harmony3264> btw, my recordings dir is under my home dir
[07:41] <harmony3264> because I've mounted a raid there (Data) for them
[07:41] <harmony3264> but i think it's ok because it was recording there fine
[07:41] <harmony3264> when the tuner's module would load.
[07:41] <harmony3264>  ls -l Data/mythtv
[07:41] <harmony3264> drwxrwsr-x 2 mythtv mythtv 16384 2008-07-06 02:24 recordings
[08:08] <harmony3264>  tgm4883_laptop:   I'm going to get something to eat but I will check back here.
[08:08] <harmony3264> Thanks again!
[08:23] <harmony32641>  tgm4883_laptop:   actually i just had to restart x on that machine.
[08:23] <harmony32641> I'll still check back in a while...
[08:28] <tgm4883_laptop> harmony32641, IIRC you have to rebuild that every time there is a kernel upgrade
[08:38] <harmony32641>  tgm4883_laptop:  yeah, a pain huh.
[08:38] <harmony32641> but I built it on 2.6.24-19 and I just checked that my kernel is still the same.
[08:58] <jeffery> when I exit out of mythtv-setup, it says "Path live/ doesn't exist." ... where should I create the path?
[12:09] <XLV> i just installed mythbuntu, now i want it to have same desktop theme, menu/panel items etc as ubuntu, i have already installed ubuntu-desktop, can it be done?
[12:34] <laga> XLV: log out, choose gnome as your session in gdm, log back in
[12:39] <XLV> laga, thanks, i am using vnc to control htpc, cause its on a crt tv atm with svideo tvout at 1024x768, and its annoying to try to do any maintenance on it using the crt tv as display, so i couldnt see that mythbuntu offered there the option for WM
[13:16] <noisymime> If anyone would like to try out a new experimental myth frontend, gloss 0.1 has just been released, including packages for 8.04. Testing/feedback greatly appreciated.
[13:17] <laga> noisymime: great stuff. can't try it right now, though, my backend is offline
[13:54] <Aquahallic> Mornin' folks
[14:06] <XLV> mythbuntu comes with threaded fddshow included?
[14:06] <XLV> or i should try to install coreavc for linux?
[14:07] <laga> ffdshow? isn't that windows stuff? ;)
[14:07] <laga> mythtv in mythbuntu 8.04 can do multithreading for certain content
[14:08] <XLV> my bad, i meant ffmpeg or whatever its called ;-)
[14:36] <Aquahallic> mythtv comes with ffmpeg but it doesn't come with the restricted. You have to enable the medibuntu repositories to get the restricted drivers.
[14:38] <laga> the internal player in mythtv does not care about the ffmpeg packages
[14:59] <gpd> So I installed ubuntu hardy, then apt-get installed mythbuntu-desktop.
[15:00] <gpd> now i have a working system - but the mythconverg tables and mythtv user are not in the mysql
[15:00] <gpd> mythtv-setup doesn't want to do that stage - do i create by hand - or is there a reconfigure i should do?
[15:15] <gpd> probably because I set a root password for mysql?
[15:16] <laga> gpd: sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database
[15:17] <gpd> laga: fantastic - thank you! :)
[15:18] <laga> gpd: kudos for not forgetting your root password for mysql. :)
[18:32] <Frans-Willem> Has anyone every attempted to get the MythBuntu diskless client to login via LDAP and share the home dir from the server ?
[18:34] <laga> not me.
[18:34] <laga> i'd be interested in that, tho
[18:38] <laga> Frans-Willem: you don't even need ldap if you just want the home dir
[18:50] <Frans-Willem> Well, I've considered just mounting the entire homedir or even just /home/mainuser, but I feel LDAP would be nicer :p
[18:52] <laga> i wasn't aware LDAP had special file sharing powers
[18:53] <Frans-Willem> Well, I'm not that sure about LDAP, but I'm afraid that things might get ugly if the credentials on the client and the server don't match
[18:53] <laga> no, LDAP doesnt seem to be able to transfer real files. or at least let you mount directories
[18:53] <laga> .. over the network
[18:54] <Frans-Willem> So how would you do it then? simply share /home read-write and mount it on the clients ?
[18:54] <foxbuntu> laga, no but LDAP will allow you to create a home dir or at least universal creds to prevent issues when creating mount points
[18:55] <laga> foxbuntu: what would be issues? different UID/GID on server and client?
[18:56] <laga> Frans-Willem: yes, assuming the UIDs match. nfs-kernel-server doesn't really have any fancy UID mapping :( but that might have changed with nfs version 4
[18:56] <foxbuntu> yeah...for the most part it wouldnt matter, the permissions just have to be matched up, it only becomes an issue with a large environment
[18:57] <Frans-Willem> So would it be safe to just share /home ?
[18:58] <Frans-Willem> Or would it be better to mount /home to something like /var/cache/mythbuntu-diskless/clienthome ?
[18:58] <Frans-Willem> (Although that would make it complicated if your main box is supposed to be a frontend too
[18:59] <foxbuntu> Frans-Willem, why are you trying to share /home?
[18:59] <Frans-Willem> foxbuntu: Because things like video covers are by default shared in the homedir
[19:00] <foxbuntu> Frans-Willem, create a shared location and symlink to it from the default location?
[19:00] <foxbuntu> that would be much safer
[19:01] <Frans-Willem> Hmmmz...
[19:01] <Frans-Willem> That *is* a nice solution indeed :)
[19:01] <Frans-Willem> Hadn't thought of that yet
[19:03] <Frans-Willem> so like creating /var/lib/mythtv/videocovers and "ln -s /var/lib/mythtv/videocovers /home/mainuser/.mythtv/MythVideo" on the server and "mainip:/var/lib/mythtv/videocovers /home/mainuser/.mythtv/MythVideo nfs ..." in the fstab of the clients ?
[19:04] <foxbuntu> no
[19:04] <Frans-Willem> ?
[19:04] <foxbuntu> not far off
[19:05] <foxbuntu> you want the /home location to think its a folder when it really is a symlink to the nfs location
[19:05] <foxbuntu> so the symlink is actually on the clients
[19:06] <foxbuntu> the directory is on the server
[19:06] <foxbuntu> and the clients nfs mount to the server's shared directory
[19:06] <foxbuntu> so:
[19:07] <foxbuntu> On Server1: /var/lib/mythtv/SharedFolder1
[19:07] <foxbuntu> On Client1: nfs mount /somedir/
[19:07] <foxbuntu> (which is the server location then)
[19:08] <Frans-Willem> Ok, so to recap, on the server:
[19:08] <foxbuntu> then On Client1: ln -s /home/someuser/.mythtv/MythVideo /somedir/
[19:09] <Frans-Willem> How is that different to simply mounting /home/someuser/.mythtv/MythVideo to a network share ?
[19:09] <foxbuntu> because you dont want your server writing to the /home directory
[19:09] <foxbuntu> permissions would get all screwed up to make it work
[19:10] <foxbuntu> you want the server writing to a local spot that is shared to the clients and then if you want to use that default location symlink to it to maintain security
[19:11] <Frans-Willem> Hmmm, just to be sure we're both on the same page
[19:11] <Frans-Willem> what's the difference between (on the client) doing either:
[19:11] <Frans-Willem> mount -t nfs <IP_ADDRESS>:/var/lib/mythtv/videocovers /home/mainuser/.mythtv/MythVideo
[19:11] <Frans-Willem> and
[19:12] <Frans-Willem> mount -t nfs <IP_ADDRESS>:/var/lib/mythtv/videocovers /var/lib/mythtv/videocovers
[19:12] <Frans-Willem> ln -s /var/lib/mythtv/videocovers /home/mainuser/.mythtv/MythVideo
[19:12] <Frans-Willem> Isn't the second doing exactly the same as the former but with one extra redirection ?
[19:14] <foxbuntu> Im sorry I was misunderstanding what you were trying to accomplish before
[19:14] <foxbuntu> it sounded like you wanted to share /home and mount it on the server or other clients and write to the clients
[19:14] <laga> !spork foxbuntu
[19:14] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about spork foxbuntu
[19:14] <foxbuntu> !stab laga
[19:14]  * Zinn stabs laga with a rusty spork.
[19:14] <laga> ah, thanks.
[19:17] <Frans-Willem> heh :p
[19:18] <Frans-Willem> foxbuntu: Yes, that was one of my possible solutions
[19:18] <Frans-Willem> I was thinking about:
[19:19] <Frans-Willem> - Either creating a shared dir (safest, but requires me to create a seperate dir for every shared thing)
[19:19] <Frans-Willem> - Sharing /home on the server and mounting that on the clients (credentials fuckup, probably)
[19:20] <Frans-Willem> - Sharing a random dir (like /var/lib/mythtv/clienthome) and mounting that to /home on the clients (clients have same credentials, so less of a fuckup, but doesn't allow the server to be a frontend too)
[19:20] <foxbuntu> Frans-Willem, you have your ideas, my only advice is to stay away from sharing /home
[19:21] <Frans-Willem> But that third solution looks safe too ?
[19:24] <foxbuntu> Frans-Willem, yeah...it wouldnt be an issue
[19:25] <Frans-Willem> K :)
[19:30] <Frans-Willem> So who else is actually using the diskless setup ?
[19:30] <foxbuntu> Frans-Willem, you are the only one
[19:30] <foxbuntu> ;)
[19:31] <Frans-Willem> Ok, so let's say that I write down everything I did to make my config useful (e.g. shared media, everything working correctly), who should I send it to for review and possible inclusion in MythBuntu ?
[19:33] <foxbuntu> Frans-Willem, put it in a Wiki
[19:34] <laga> i wish i used the diskless tuff
[19:35] <laga> +s
[19:35] <foxbuntu> laga, that funny considering its your baby
[19:36] <laga> yeah
[19:36] <laga> :)
[19:36] <laga> i'm kinda glad it's so.. complete. all the functionality is there, and most stuff i'd consider adding is minor hacks to MCC
[19:37] <foxbuntu> laga, its really grown pretty quickly
[19:39] <Frans-Willem> It's just great being able to put the main box outside of the living room, and simply have a completely passive box in the living room :)
[19:41] <Frans-Willem> It's quite good actually, but there are quite a bit of things that I feel should've been in there by default
[19:41] <Frans-Willem> e.g. the mounting of the videos, music, and pictures dir
[19:42] <laga> yes
[19:42] <laga> but you need lots of magic to do that.
[19:42] <laga> maybe using bonjour..
[19:42] <Frans-Willem> :/
[19:42] <Frans-Willem> Hell no :/
[19:42] <laga> it's kinda there. you can tell mythbuntu to export your stuff in MCC
[19:42] <laga> but i'm not sure if mounting is automagic
[19:43] <Frans-Willem> For mounting you need to add some lines to the fstab of the diskless one, and fix the lts.conf file to not rewrite it on each boot
[19:43] <laga> such things - shares etc could probably be put into the mysql DB. but you probably dont want to depend on that.
[19:43] <laga> for mythtv itself, there'll probably be support for just streaming media using the mythtv protocol
[19:44] <rhpot1991_laptop> the recordings dir and stuff get shared automagically IIRC
[19:44] <rhpot1991_laptop> via samba
[19:44] <laga> rhpot1991_laptop: you need to enable it first
[19:44] <rhpot1991_laptop> only works if you use the defualt as well
[19:44] <rhpot1991_laptop> its really not that hard to do that yourself either :)
[19:44] <Frans-Willem> Hmm, I've got all dirs shared through samba and NFS, yet my diskless clients didn't mount it
[19:45] <rhpot1991_laptop> Frans-Willem: You need to setup your client to mount them
[19:45] <laga> rhpot1991_laptop: i meant to make it more dynamic by getting the location for the various directories from the DB, but i'm not sure if that happened.
[19:46] <Frans-Willem> rhpot1991_laptop: Are we talking about the Live CD or the Diskless setup? and if we're talking about the diskless setup, how did you set it up then ?
[19:46]  * rhpot1991_laptop searches for a good wiki entry to describe the process
[19:46] <Frans-Willem> I basically just adjusted fstab myself
[19:47] <laga> rhpot1991_laptop: i think he already knows how to setup fstab
[19:47] <rhpot1991_laptop> ah ok
[19:47] <Frans-Willem> :)
[19:48] <Frans-Willem> Oh btw, did you also have to adjust lts.conf and add that extra "[default]" line ?
[19:48] <rhpot1991_laptop> mine isn't diskless, just another backend, all I did was added the shares to fstab myself
[19:48] <Frans-Willem> Ah ok
[19:48] <rhpot1991_laptop> I don't use default shares either so I had to go and create them and all
[19:48] <rhpot1991_laptop> s/shares/folders/
[19:49] <laga> Frans-Willem: the [default] thing is a known bug, i just never got around to fixing it..
[19:49] <Frans-Willem> Yeah, that's basically what I did, but on top of that I also had to add a line to lts.conf as that was missing and causing LTSP to syntax error and ignore the directive not to overwrite fstab
[19:49] <laga> which is a shame ;)
[19:49] <rhpot1991_laptop> laga: I wonder if you could mysql all that and have clients/backends/etc read that upon install from the master backend
[19:50] <laga> rhpot1991_laptop: yeah, and if the mysqld is down? ;)
[19:50] <rhpot1991_laptop> epic failure
[19:51] <laga> heh
[19:51] <laga> indeed
[19:51] <Frans-Willem> If the mysqld is down the whole backend is prolly down in which case your diskless client shouldn't be booting anyway :p
[19:51] <laga> Frans-Willem: wanna bet?
[19:51] <laga> ;)
[19:51] <laga> go to MCC, make a bootable thumb drive, check the "wake on lan" option, enter MAC address. done
[19:52] <laga> although i have to admit i never really tested it ;)
[19:53] <Frans-Willem> heh :p
[19:54] <Frans-Willem> Btw, has anyone ever attempted making a mythbuntu backend without an actual videocard ?
[19:54] <Frans-Willem> Like have X run in VNC mode only ?
[20:49] <m_tadeu> hi everyone
[20:50] <m_tadeu> is there a way to display the mouse cursor?
[20:58] <m_tadeu> think I got it :)
[21:17] <laga> Frans-Willem: i'd probably use X tunneling in ssh
[21:21] <Frans-Willem> laga: I use a Windows machine as my main desktop ;)
[21:21] <rhpot1991_laptop> Frans-Willem: you can still forward X to that, its a bit of a pain though
[21:21] <rhpot1991_laptop> have to get cygwin running to forward apps to
[21:22] <Frans-Willem> Yeah, I've already looked at it before, and figured it'd be easier to just stick to VNC :p
[21:22] <rhpot1991_laptop> agreed
[21:40] <talmagec> Can anyone help me with mythtv setup?
[21:41] <talmagec> I have a Hauppauge winTV card and I built the device driver, tried to set up in backend, but all I get is a green screen when I try to watch tv.  Everything works fine in windows, so nothing wrong with cable source, etc.
[21:50] <laga> you built the device driver?
[21:52] <talmagec> yes
[21:52] <talmagec> i think its configuration of backend
[21:52] <talmagec> not sure
[21:53] <talmagec> i did the aptitude install mercurial build-essential linux-source, then cd /usr/local/src and then hg clone http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb followed by make & make install
[21:54] <laga> does it work in other applications?
[21:55] <talmagec> i have only tried in windows
[21:55] <talmagec> i haven't tried to get it to work in linux except in mythtv
[21:55] <talmagec> i'm thinking it has something to do with backend setup
[21:55] <laga> why did you build the v4l-dvb drivers from hg?
[21:56] <Frans-Willem> My Hauppauge WinTV 500MCE was pretty much plug and play, why would you want to build it from source :p?
[21:56] <laga> anyways, i recommend trying it in another application first, like xawtv or mplayer
[21:57] <talmagec> i was reading directions from linux magazine
[21:58] <talmagec> installing xawtv now
[21:59] <talmagec> i'm going to reboot and brb
[22:02] <talmagec> i cant get xawtv to even start
[22:10] <talmagec> no luck in motv either.
[22:11] <talmagec> i'm in the USA using cable (no box), so i assume my settings are:  NTSC-M, us-cable
[22:11] <talmagec> is that right?
[22:37] <bmathis> hello
[22:38] <bmathis> does anyone have a good walkthrough of setting up the remote that comes with a hauppauge pvr-150? I cant seem to get it to work, even with the mcc.


[00:02] <knome> nighty
[00:09] <e-head> hey guys
[00:09] <e-head> I'm trying to add "tiling" fuctionality to xfwm, sort of like aero-snap.
[00:14] <e-head> so, anyone around?
[00:15] <e-head> I have found a blog entry and patch (I think) on a german site on how to patch xfwm4.
[00:15] <e-head> It looks like it's not the same minor version that xubuntu uses though.
[00:16] <e-head> Would it be reckless to just compile and install a patched version?
[02:33] <gglitch> Question: if I, as a user of Xubuntu 11.10, install kubuntu-desktop, to have the option of logging into either one, what exactly will happen? I know a bunch of kde stuff will be downloaded and installed, but will KDE stuff run in the background even when I'm logged into xfce?
[02:34] <gglitch> And will it affect the appearance of my xfce environment?
[03:36] <douglas> I installed Xubuntu 11.10 on a machine, and connected it to a windows 7 machine via LAN, and network bridged the LAN and WiFi on the win7, and Xubuntu can't connect to the internet because it is auto configuring its IP address to the same one as the win7 machine...
[03:38] <douglas> Does Xubuntu use the same networking daemon as Ubuntu?
[03:39] <brianp1992> can anyone explain what the KDE is?
[03:42] <Unit193> !kde
[03:42] <Unit193> douglas: You can set the IP in the networking applet.
[03:44] <douglas> yeah, I was wondering why it failed setting it up automatically... I guess its most likely windows fault, right? :P
[03:44] <douglas> thanks anyways Unit193
[08:23] <Yancho> guys are there some known problems betweeen xubuntu's ubuntuone installer and the ubuntuone packages found in apt ?
[08:34] <well_laid_lawn> !bugs
[08:35] <well_laid_lawn> !launchpad
[08:51] <chebureque> hi, everybody!
[08:52] <chebureque> can anyone tell me how to change workspaces layout? by default they all set in a line, but i need 2x2 layout
[09:11] <baizon> omg
[09:11] <baizon> people cant even wait longer then 5 min
[09:53] <Kingsy> guys, I have just plugged in a usb phone, but I cant find it to unmute it in the sound settings.. what is the best way of doing this?
[09:54] <Kingsy> it appears in dmesg as [ 1907.519282] generic-usb 0003:04B4:0306.0005: hiddev0,hidraw2: USB HID v1.10 Device [HID 04b4:0306] on usb-0000:00:1a.0-1.1/input3
[09:58] <Unit193> Not seen a USB phone, so all I personally can do is tell you to see if it turns up in pavucontrol, and that the hardware is compatible.
[10:03] <Kingsy> pavucontrol ?
[10:03] <Kingsy> I am in the sound mixer now if thats what you mean ?
[10:03] <well_laid_lawn> !info pavucontrol
[10:06] <Kingsy> well_laid_lawn: that program is AWESOME
[10:07] <Kingsy> everything works perfect now
[10:07] <well_laid_lawn> I never use it - I just know the bot link ;)
[10:07] <Kingsy> man I need to remember pavucontrol.. MUST install that on every xubuntu installation
[10:07] <Unit193> Glad it helped!
[10:08] <well_laid_lawn> the phones accessable now?
[10:18] <Kingsy> well_laid_lawn: your damn right, I made the phone call.. SMASH
[10:18] <well_laid_lawn> woot
[10:22] <Cyrus_CN> i'm glad  to be here,please take care.
[11:46] <Starn> hey the installer is different than what i remember.. how do i select the partition i want to install on.. (don't wanna accidently install over the other OS's) am i gonna have to do a manual setup? if so whats the suggested Swap size for 4gb of ram?
[11:47] <Starn> also this is the first time i am having a defualt install of Xubuntu.. normally i used ubuntu.. but now it has unity. (dislike that) and this is closest i can get to old ubuntu without using old ubuntu
[12:03] <fireballin> Sup all, i am trying to duel boot linux with Win 7 but before the gui starts it locks  up and i can see where it says "unable to Mount Image"
[12:15] <profus2> hi everybody
[12:16] <profus2> could somebody help me with finding the easiest way of connecting to a xubuntu client 11.10 via vnc (local lan)
[12:16] <profus2> ?
[12:17] <profus2> i have a vnc client installed on my machine and would like to connect to the linux client
[12:18] <Starn> um.. remote desktop?
[12:19] <profus2> what program?
[12:19] <Starn> profus2: are you trying to remotely control a machine? for VNC to work you need a server machine and a client.
[12:19] <Starn> i believe xubuntu comes with one? i could be wrong.
[12:20] <profus2> @Starn: did not find anything
[12:20] <Starn> i often use Teamviewer for remote control and VPN.
[12:20] <Starn> profus2: look into teamviewer see if it's what you want..
[12:20] <profus2> i would not use teamviewer for "internally" connect
[12:21] <Starn> profus2: i personally use it to remotely control my desktop via my phone over local network.
[12:21] <profus2> @Starn: cool
[12:21] <profus2> we have some windows machines here and they can speak via vnc
[12:21] <profus2> so very strange that this should not be possible with linux
[12:21] <Starn> profus2: have you done a google search?
[12:22] <Starn> profus2: it is very possible in linux.
[12:22] <profus2> i found some info relating to older ubuntu versions and wanted to asked the experts what is valid with the new 11.10
[12:23] <Starn> they have remote desktop viewer built into xubuntu in the internet section i don't use it but i believe it also can go through lan via direct ip.
[12:23] <profus2> thanks anyway, I will try to find some info on the net
[12:23] <Starn> profus2: i am no expert if i was i would probably have told you a great answer.
[12:23] <tomreyn> hi, i'd like to use a gnome-applet on xubuntu. apparently you do this via the xfapplet plugin, but this is not available on my xubuntu 11.10. do i need to install some package?
[12:24] <profus2> @Starn: thanks again and cu some time ..
[12:24] <Starn> profus2: i am right you can use the remote desktop viewer in xubuntu to access VNC locally.. you'd type something like <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:25] <Starn> tomreyn: i don't know the answer but i am sure someone will eventually get to you
[12:25] <Yancho> guys is it possible to help me debug ubunt one client please ?
[12:29] <Starn> does empathy messenger come with xubuntu?? or is this something i will have to manually get? i prefer it over pidgin.
[12:30] <Starn> never mind i just answered my own question right after typing that.
[12:30] <Starn> anyways be right back.. rebooting install is done.
[14:15] <starn> how do i get Empathy onto xubuntu
[14:20] <starn> second thought forget that.. where is cron file stored?
[14:21] <Pici> Which cron file?
[14:21] <starn> where i put the script in for random wall papers every 5 minutes.
[14:22] <Pici> Just run crontab -e as your user.
[14:22] <starn> i want to copy the script from my old install.. this is a fresh one.
[14:22] <Pici> Its in /var/spool/cron/ then
[14:23] <starn> i temporarly have the hard drive with the other xubuntu hooked up so i can get some of my old settings that i don't remember how to setup... haha
[14:29] <starn> Pici: thanks. now i'm waiting 5 minutes to see if it worked..
[14:30] <starn> Pici: omg it worked thank you so much for telling me there is no way i would've remembered how i wrote that script down!
[14:35] <Pici> np :)
[14:37] <starn> ugh i dislike pidgin used to love it.. so i like totally just removed it and installed empathy haha
[14:40] <TheSheep> gajim ftw :)
[15:13] <ivan__> hey guys! Could anybody help, I lost sound after mute and unmute
[15:16] <TheSheep> ivan__: start the mixer, change the device to pulseaudio and unmute that too
[15:33] <ivan__> hey TheSheep
[15:33] <ivan__> thnx
[15:33] <ivan__> can't find what you said but
[15:33] <ivan__> i've tried restarting alsa
[15:33] <ivan__> reinstalling pulseaudio
[15:33] <ivan__> rebooting
[15:33] <ivan__> what not
[15:33] <ivan__> and still cant get sound ???
[15:39] <TheSheep> ivan__: press altf+f2, type xfce4-mixer, press enter
[15:41] <ivan__> well I don't have any pulse* there no more
[15:42] <ivan__> just two alsas
[15:44] <ivan__> before i started doing stuff
[15:44] <ivan__> i had a lot more options there
[15:45] <ivan__> but the last thing i did is i reinstalled pulseaudio, so i dont really see a reason for all that stuff missing
[15:48] <WhereIsMySpoon> Question: what terminal emulator does xubuntu use?
[15:48] <WhereIsMySpoon> xfce to be precise
[15:49] <ivan__> how do i find out WhereIsMySpoon ?
[15:49] <WhereIsMySpoon> if i knew that i wouldnt be asking, now would i?
[15:50] <ivan__> ;) i thought you were not a xubuntu user and came here to find out
[15:50] <WhereIsMySpoon> nope, just installed xubuntu
[15:50] <WhereIsMySpoon> i like it so far
[15:50] <WhereIsMySpoon> but dont like the terminal emulator
[15:51] <starn> i just fresh installed xubuntu and i know my hardware supports playing one audio stream through headphones and another to speakers.. and i am wondering how i do this?
[15:51] <ivan__> same here, first time linux experience, seems quite decent!
[15:51] <WhereIsMySpoon> this isnt my first linux experience ^^
[15:51] <WhereIsMySpoon> i just dont like ubuntu anymore
[15:52] <ivan__> yeah, that unity stuff is crap.
[15:52] <WhereIsMySpoon> it really is
[15:52] <WhereIsMySpoon> and gnome 3 sucks too
[15:52] <WhereIsMySpoon> so, anyone know what terminal emulator xfce uses, please?
[15:52] <starn> WhereIsMySpoon: i agree... i switched to xubuntu the second they started using unity.
[15:53] <ivan__> WhereIsMySpoon, I'd try asking in #ubuntu there are lot of people there
[15:53] <starn> WhereIsMySpoon: http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/terminal
[15:53] <ivan__> oh..
[15:53] <ivan__> ;]
[15:53] <starn> all i had to do was click "help" on this and "about" "visit terminal website"
[15:54] <WhereIsMySpoon> that aint what mine looks like
[15:54] <starn> i kinda like it. i costumized mine.
[15:54] <WhereIsMySpoon> and i didnt want to know about a terminal
[15:54] <starn> ya know mine doesn't look like that either.... mine has smoother edges.. and prettery text.
[15:54] <WhereIsMySpoon> i wanted to know how to find out what *I* have
[15:55] <starn> did you defualt;y install xubuntu?
[15:55] <WhereIsMySpoon> i installed it from ubuntu
[15:55] <WhereIsMySpoon> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[15:55] <starn> than you're more likely still using ubuntu's
[15:55] <WhereIsMySpoon> ubuntus terminal emulator is not the same as this one im using here
[15:55] <WhereIsMySpoon> the one that xfce is popping up for me auto forks processes
[15:56] <WhereIsMySpoon> which is hella annoying
[15:56] <starn> i have no issues with my ubuntu to xubuntu or my fresh install with xubuntu. nothing like that.
[15:57] <WhereIsMySpoon> my normal ubuntu install with unity didnt do this
[15:57] <WhereIsMySpoon> so i dont know why switching to xfce should
[15:57] <starn> i would have to reboot into the defualt install of ubuntu than xubuntu like what you did to see.. but i use the lower bar that can be hidden to bring up my terminal
[15:57] <starn> WhereIsMySpoon: it shouldn't
[15:57] <starn> do you see a help button WhereIsMySpoon ?
[15:58] <WhereIsMySpoon> no
[15:58] <WhereIsMySpoon> there is ^ - [] X on the top right
[15:58] <WhereIsMySpoon> the ^ is actually an up arrow
[15:58] <ablomen> WhereIsMySpoon, normally it would be xfce4-terminal
[15:58] <WhereIsMySpoon> then there is a thing to click on on the top left
[15:59] <ablomen> to check which you are using, check ps ax or something
[15:59] <WhereIsMySpoon> which gives a menu with maximize, minimize, minimize all other windows, move, resize
[16:00] <WhereIsMySpoon> i see gnome-terminal
[16:01] <WhereIsMySpoon> which is what im using on my otehr install of ubuntu
[16:01] <WhereIsMySpoon> which doesnt do this weird forking
[16:01] <WhereIsMySpoon> sooooo
[16:02] <xsl> guys where can i find all options of kioskrc
[16:06] <starn> WhereIsMySpoon: try running the terminal that came with xubuntu.. see if that helps.
[16:07] <WhereIsMySpoon> i am
[16:07] <WhereIsMySpoon> starn - im just pressing on the icon top left which opens up the menu
[16:07] <WhereIsMySpoon> then clicking terminal emulator
[16:08] <WhereIsMySpoon> literally, its called that, "terminal emulator"
[16:08] <starn> WhereIsMySpoon: and it still says it's the same one as what you use in your ubuntu install? for when i did like you did i have two terminal's.
[16:09] <WhereIsMySpoon> i dont know how to get what it is, apart from looking in my processes and seeing a gnome-terminal
[16:09] <WhereIsMySpoon> which i guess is what is running
[16:09] <WhereIsMySpoon> but i cant be sure
[16:10] <starn> on mine i see "terminal"
[16:11] <starn> infact WhereIsMySpoon the only gnome i see is polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1.. nothing else that is gnome is running.
[16:12] <WhereIsMySpoon> i have gnome-keyring-daemon, gdm-simple-slave --displayid /org/gnome/DisplayManager/Display1, gnome-volume-control, your polkit thing, gnome-terminal and gnome-pty-helper
[16:12] <WhereIsMySpoon> im not sure im actually running xfce properly
[16:13] <WhereIsMySpoon> maybe i need to reboot or smth
[16:13] <starn> hey anyone in here know how to split the audio to play through speakers as well as headphones but only certain audio sources? eg Teamspeak goes to headphones rest of the audio through speakers?
[16:13] <starn> WhereIsMySpoon: you may need to..
[16:13] <WhereIsMySpoon> i think thats quite difficult to do starn
[16:13] <WhereIsMySpoon> i know you cant do it on windows
[16:13] <WhereIsMySpoon> 7 that is
[16:13] <WhereIsMySpoon> or vista
[16:14] <WhereIsMySpoon> iunno, im sure google has some answers
[16:14] <starn> WhereIsMySpoon: you mean can or can't?? for i can do it in xp vista and 7 my hardware supports it.
[16:14] <WhereIsMySpoon> you physically cannot do it in 7
[16:14] <WhereIsMySpoon> all sound is redirected through one output
[16:14] <WhereIsMySpoon> "so you cant pirate music"
[16:14] <starn> WhereIsMySpoon: with my hardware i can enable it.
[16:15] <WhereIsMySpoon> your hardware might very well allow it
[16:15] <starn> i orinally learned how in win 7
[16:15] <WhereIsMySpoon> windows 7 doesnt
[16:15] <WhereIsMySpoon> unless theres some sort of hack
[16:16] <starn> WhereIsMySpoon: there is no hack.. windows 7 supports it.. i just use the audio drivers provided by the sound card maker not windows.
[16:16] <starn> and therefor i feel that my sound card supports the ability than i assume xubuntu can too.
[16:16] <WhereIsMySpoon> hmm
[16:16] <WhereIsMySpoon> ok then
[16:16] <WhereIsMySpoon> google it ^^
[16:16] <WhereIsMySpoon> im sure it isnt any different on ubuntu than xubuntu
[16:16] <WhereIsMySpoon> theyre only window managers rather than different systems
[16:17] <starn> google is sucking for me.. only providing info on how to stop audio from playing through both.
[16:17] <WhereIsMySpoon> starn, PulseAudio seems to be the thing to do it with
[16:18] <starn> natively xubuntu uses alsa
[16:18] <WhereIsMySpoon> http://www.pulseaudio.org/
[16:18] <starn> and WhereIsMySpoon i tried using pulse on same machine with ubuntu than xubuntu and ended up breaking everything.. hence fresh install...
[16:19] <WhereIsMySpoon> lol really?
[16:19] <WhereIsMySpoon> nice
[16:19] <starn> oh wow i made it come out both.... not exactly how i wanted but it's a step.
[16:20] <WhereIsMySpoon> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=843012
[16:20] <WhereIsMySpoon> try that
[16:20] <WhereIsMySpoon> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=922860
[16:20] <WhereIsMySpoon> and this i think
[16:22] <WhereIsMySpoon> ohhhhh
[16:22] <WhereIsMySpoon> i see whats happening
[16:22] <WhereIsMySpoon> this terminal launches nautilus forking it
[16:22] <WhereIsMySpoon> but not most other apps
[16:23] <WhereIsMySpoon> how interesting
[16:23] <WhereIsMySpoon> i guess thats useful
[16:23] <WhereIsMySpoon> you dont usually want nautilus to be clogging up a terminal
[16:33] <xsl> what file allows me to edit the applications menu?
[16:34] <holstein> you can try alacarte... or check out http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu
[16:34] <holstein> xsl: ^
[16:39] <xsl> tyvm
[16:45] <starn> in teamspeak my headphones or what ever appears to be playback device: HDA Intel(ALC1200 Analog) [plughw:0,0]   how would i figure out what to type for speakers? for like say a music player???
[17:26] <gour> evening
[17:27] <gour> have problem with my friend's machine (netbook) - can't login via gui manager (it looks like incorrect password), although same login works in cli. nay hint?
[17:28] <gour> it looks like lightdm created some mess
[17:30] <gour> mc
[17:32] <gour> ahh...repalced my keyboards..
[17:34] <gour> personally i'm not fan of lightdm and prefer lxdm over it
[17:34] <gour> having too many problems with it on arch---it was messing with locales
[17:37] <gour> hopefully it's not too difficult to replace lightdm with lxdm
[17:37] <gour> ahh, it looks xubuntu stuff is tied to lightdm :-(
[17:40] <gour> it looks that there are quite some horror stories about problems with lightdm & (x)ubuntu
[18:06] <gour> we're going to put arch on the machine instead of fixing this stupid issue...
[18:14] <`marianne`> hello!
[18:14] <`marianne`> i'm having problems with grub every time i try to install... ugh... any linux atm
[18:15] <`marianne`> trying to install xubuntu again, maybe from there i can do a boot repair
[18:15] <`marianne`> but boot repair has been, unusually, failing badly
[18:15] <`marianne`> anyone else been having problems with grub lately?
[18:15] <holstein> nope... whats the trouble?
[18:15] <holstein> i know, i would likely test the hardware at that point
[18:16] <`marianne`> well, as will happen most likely after i finish this install, i'll get a plain grub command line
[18:16] <holstein> `marianne`: do you get to the desktop live?
[18:16] <`marianne`> and any time i try to update-grub after fixing it with boot repair, it whines at me about being out of memory and syntax errors in the newly generated grub.cfg.new
[18:17] <`marianne`> holstein, i can boot the livecd, yeah
[18:17] <holstein> sudo update-grub
[18:17] <holstein> report whatever whining, and we can troubleshoot that
[18:17] <`marianne`> but i'm having this weird grub problem with debian, linux mint, and *ubuntu
[18:17] <holstein> i would want to test that hard drive
[18:18] <holstein> yup.. and the hardware is a constant
[18:18] <holstein> if you get to a desktop live, then the hard drive is a constant option for a point of failure
[18:18] <`marianne`> *pouts* i hope not
[18:19] <holstein> yeah?... hardware is cheap... id rather just know and replace it and move on
[18:19] <`marianne`> anyway, install finished, guess i'll see if it worked lol
[18:19] <holstein> relatively cheap i should say
[18:19] <`marianne`> sure, me too, but i just had to replace a dodgy graphics card lol
[18:19] <`marianne`> after deciding to treat myself to a bluray player
[18:19] <`marianne`> anyway, back in a bit, lets see if it works :)
[18:40] <`marianne`> well, that didn't work
[18:41] <`marianne`> even after a default boot repair
[18:45] <`marianne`> perhaps i should just get an SSD
[18:45] <`marianne`> given that i've wanted one for forever, and 120gb isn't too unreasonable a price
[19:07] <MeXTuX> I installed Ubuntu 11.10 and want to try Xubuntu. Is it as easy as enter sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop ??? :)
[19:08] <baizon> MeXTuX: yes
[19:08] <baizon> MeXTuX: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/xubuntu
[19:12] <MeXTuX> Is the notification system the same as in GNOME??
[19:12] <baizon> MeXTuX: yes
[19:12] <baizon> the indicator applet
[19:42] <joel135> what handles wallpapers in xubuntu?
[19:43] <joel135> how do I turn it off/on?
[19:44] <hobgoblin> joel135: right click - desktop settings - none in Image
[19:46] <joel135> I can't do that without logging out and in right now (no pcmanfm running) what's the command?
[19:47] <joel135> or how do I start pcmanfm at the desktop again without logging out?
[19:52] <joel135> turns out I'm using lubuntu... bye :)
[21:55] <Dayofswords> is there some way I can get similar functionailty as the right-click >encrypt/sign/descypt that seahorse can do on normal ubuntu?
[22:17] <ThePendulum> How do I mount an ISO file?
[22:18] <ThePendulum> It says it can't find it in /fstab, which is true, because the file is in my home folder
[22:28] <TheSheep> !iso
[22:30] <Dayofswords> also, there is archive mounter, haven't used it yet in xubuntu
[22:32] <ThePendulum> I tried the mount command, but as I said, it returns that the file can not be found in the /fstab folder
[22:32] <ThePendulum> For my file is in the home folder, not in fstab
[22:32] <TheSheep> ThePendulum: because you didn't type it like in the example
[22:33] <ThePendulum> What did I miss?
[22:33] <ThePendulum> Oh wait
[22:33] <ThePendulum> a / at the end for setting the mount point to its root
[22:33] <TheSheep> ThePendulum: don't moount at /
[22:33] <ThePendulum> So apparently, I mounted it
[22:34] <ThePendulum> Where else?
[22:34] <TheSheep> ThePendulum: mount at some directory you created for that
[22:34] <TheSheep> ThePendulum: if you mount at your system's /, it will crash horribly
[22:34] <ThePendulum> Well, it didn't
[22:34] <ThePendulum> lol
[22:48] <Dayofswords> does anyone else has issues copy/patsing file from thunar(?) file manger on tot he desktop?
[22:48] <Dayofswords> on to the*
[22:48] <ThePendulum> Works just fine for me
[22:48] <ThePendulum> What folder are you trying to copy from?
[22:50] <Dayofswords> any file actually, i copy a file(right click, copy) in the file manager and then right click on desktop, and the paste option is unavavble. i go to the desktop fold int he file manager and i can patse it.
[22:50] <Dayofswords> jeez that was some bad typing...
[22:50] <Dayofswords>  i go to the desktop folder in the file manager and i can paste it.*
[22:51] <ThePendulum> That seems to be true indeed
[22:51] <ThePendulum> Can't you just drag it?
[22:52] <Dayofswords> yes, that works.
[22:52] <Dayofswords> i go look around and see if it's a bug
[22:54] <Dayofswords> i think this is it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/351816