[02:26] <javatexan> #ubuntu is too busy talking about video games...LOL.  Can someone help...Wine die on me, so i completely uninstalled it and erased the shorcuts out of main menu (so it wouldn't duplicate), but when I install wine now, I get no shortcuts in gnome main menu....
[02:27] <javatexan> is there a way to regenerate the shortcuts in main menu?
[02:27] <paultag> humm, interesting
[02:27] <paultag> javatexan, shucks, I'm not sure. I usually use it on the command line :/
[02:27] <javatexan> I heard from Wine-headquarters that ubuntu generates them
[02:27] <paultag> javatexan, aye
[02:27] <paultag> javatexan, let me see if I can find anything on it
[02:28] <javatexan> thanks paultag....unfortunately my friend google has come up blanks for me.
[02:28] <javatexan> LOL
[02:28] <aveilleux> javatexan: When you delete Main Menu items, they're placed under a "deleted" category in the configuration files, ie. they won't be created again
[02:28] <javatexan> oh
[02:28] <paultag> <3 aveilleux
[02:29] <javatexan> can I delete them out of ther aveilleux?
[02:29] <javatexan> so they will be recreate
[02:29] <aveilleux> javatexan: You can try and dig them out... but the easier way to do it would be to just recreate the WINE shortcuts yourself through the menu editor.
[02:30] <aveilleux> javatexan: I can walk you through that if you would like
[02:30] <javatexan> k...will check it out or try to recreate by hand
[02:31] <aveilleux> javatexan: For reference... the WINE configuration tool is called "winecfg", the "Browse C: Drive" shortcut command is "nautilus ~/.wine/drive_c/", and the uninstallation app is crap so don't bother with it
[02:32] <javatexan> lol, I found out the last one the hard way, that is why I had to reinstall :(
[04:51] <bpatel> I need help getting wifi running on my laptop ThinkPad T510 Intel Wifi Link 6250
[04:53] <bpatel> how to install drivers?
[04:55] <shahan> bpatel: doesnt it connected automatically?
[04:57] <bpatel> how to i install drivers?
[04:59] <bpatel> i need help getting wifi running on my laptop
[05:02] <zkriesse> bpatel: ok
[05:03] <zkriesse> bpatel: specs?
[05:03] <bpatel> i have a lenovo thinkpad t510
[05:03] <bpatel> intel wifi link 6250
[05:03] <zkriesse> Ubuntu 10.04?
[05:04] <zkriesse> !wifi
[05:04] <ubot2> Wireless documentation, including how-to guides and troubleshooting information, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:04] <zkriesse> take a look at that page...might get you going
[05:05] <bpatel> im on the beta version
[05:05] <zkriesse> ah 10.10
[05:05] <bpatel> yup
[05:06] <bpatel> i will review the doc will you be online for a bit?
[05:07] <shahan> bpatel: you take a look... no problem .... There are many experts waitting for you to solve ur problem :)
[05:07] <zkriesse> yes
[05:07] <zkriesse> shahan: Experts eh?...lolz
[05:08] <shahan> zkriesse: ya.... :)
[05:08] <Mohan_chml> lol :P
[05:08] <zkriesse> bpatel: yes Ill be online for another hour or so...
[05:08] <zkriesse> Just cause my cloak is Ubuntu/member doesn't mean Im super man lol
[05:09] <shahan> :)
[05:10] <bpatel> thanks guys, breaking up with microsoft windows is hard :(
[05:13] <Mohan_chml> bpatel: try dual boot first and then throw it off =]
[05:15] <jimboz> hello
[05:15] <Mohan_chml> Hello jimboz
[05:15] <jimboz> anyone know how to adjust the color saturation in ubuntu?
[05:17] <Mohan_chml> you are talking about windows and fonts etc.?
[05:17] <Mohan_chml> jimboz: ^
[05:18] <jimboz> Mohan_chml, yeah, total display saturation... like you'd find in display properties in windows
[05:19] <Mohan_chml> jimboz: look system-> preferences-> Appearance and then click customize and goto font tab
[05:19] <Mohan_chml> I think that will help you (:
[05:20] <jimboz> hrm, i don't see saturation there
[05:21] <AndrewMC> jimboz: System> preferences> monitors
[05:22] <AndrewMC> Try there I'm not in front of my ubuntu box right now to make sure that's what you want so I'm running on memory lol
[05:22] <jimboz> AndrewMC, don't see anything like that
[05:22] <jimboz> http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/sb/img/mediacolorenhancements1.jpg
[05:22] <jimboz> i'm looking for a graphical EQ for my whole display, so OS wide saturation and gamma
[05:25] <AndrewMC> jimboz: http://superuser.com/questions/173123/how-to-change-the-color-depth-in-ubuntu-10-04
[05:25] <jimboz> depth is bit depth, not saturation :)
[05:26] <Mohan_chml> Google is not helping with that ):
[05:26] <Mohan_chml> brb
[05:26] <AndrewMC> jimboz: You might want to try #ubuntu
[05:27] <jimboz> k
[05:43] <bpatel> i need help installing these drivers http://www.intellinuxwireless.org/?n=Downloads
[05:43] <bpatel> i think its asking me to edit the kernal
[05:45] <Mohan_chml> bpatel: I have a question for you. Is your hardware not detected in system-> Administration-> Hardware drivers ?
[05:45] <bpatel> nope
[05:45] <bpatel> it only see one my video card
[05:46] <Mohan_chml> Its not detected? Ubuntu actually checks for drivers and Installs them automatically
[05:47] <Mohan_chml> I Can see install instructions in the link you gave
[05:47] <Mohan_chml> bpatel: ^
[05:47] <bpatel> ya i though thats what it did becaue i can get to the internet from the wired connecton
[05:48] <bpatel> and going from System\Admin\aditional Drivers, it was able to get my video drivers but nothing eles
[05:48] <bpatel> one bit of good news i got bluetooth is working my laptop :-)
[05:48] <Mohan_chml> your wireless driver should be automatically installed
[05:49] <bpatel> am i just missing how to enable the device?
[05:49] <Mohan_chml> click system-> preferences -> network connections and add a wireless device and check for it
[05:49] <Mohan_chml> It surely is installed
[05:50] <Mohan_chml> brb
[06:05] <bpatel> i ran the following command <sudo lshw -C network> and got *-network UNCLAIMED
[06:09] <seidos> bpatel, you might have to load the module manually with modprobe.  run lspci | grep Wireless to find out what kind of card it is
[06:10] <seidos> then maybe we can find what module you need to use it.
[06:11] <seidos> bpatel, if there is no module available for your device, you'll have to use ndiswrapper
[06:12] <seidos> bpatel, but if there is a module, you can just type sudo modprobe modulename and see if it works.  like if you have a realtek 8180 you can type sudo modprobe rtl8180
[06:13] <bpatel> device is Intel Corporation centrino Advanced-N + WiMax 6250
[06:14] <bpatel> i checked ndiswrapper and it looks like my device is not supported http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ndiswrapper/index.php?title=Category:Intel
[06:15] <seidos> bpatel, this might help you:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1529993
[06:15] <bpatel> oh thank god
[06:18] <seidos> well, in summary, try sudo modprobe iwlang
[06:18] <seidos> and if that doesn't work, try turning off the wireless via on/off switch, then turning it back on.
[06:27] <bpatel> according to the form i need to install the microcode, and i got the following instruction http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1529993 do just need to move the file to /lib/firmware via command <% cp iwlwifi-6050-4.ucode /lib/firmware>
[06:30] <bpatel> i am getting (FATAL: mODULE IWLANG NOT FOUND
[06:31] <seidos> bpatel, did you go here yet?  http://intellinuxwireless.org/?n=Downloads
[06:33] <bpatel> yup that is were i went to get the file
[06:34] <bpatel> i am not sure if i installed it correctly
[06:34] <seidos> there is a readme that comes with the .ucode file
[06:36] <seidos> hmmm, i'm not sure
[06:36] <seidos> still reading
[06:36] <seidos> did you install the lucid backports as well?
[06:36] <seidos> bpatel, ^^
[06:37] <seidos> you might need the lucid wireless backports in order to get iwlang.
[06:37] <seidos> i'm not sure what good the microcode is without the module
[06:38] <bpatel> is this the command ?
[06:38] <bpatel> sudo apt-get install linux-backports-modules-wireless-lucid-generic
[06:39] <seidos> bpatel, should work, if that is the name of the package.  looks right to me.  i'm running karmic.
[06:39] <bpatel> brb, might be diconnected for a bit, dont have a switch or a so i need to move the internet cable
[06:40] <seidos> bpatel, i'm thinking that once you cp the .ucode file like you have, then run the modprobe command, it should work
[06:40] <seidos> all right
[06:40] <seidos> bpatel, you can just see if you can ping the gateway
[06:43] <bpatel_> ok im back
[06:44] <seidos> how'd it go?
[09:09] <shahan>  /msg shahan group 654321
[09:12] <duanedesign> :)
[09:12] <hobgoblin> was my thought :)
[09:13] <Mohan_chml> shahan: Pm please :P
[09:13] <hobgoblin> or use /msg ;)
[09:14] <Mohan_chml> heya hobgoblin =]
[09:14] <hobgoblin> hi
[09:16]  * Mohan_chml will be off for the next two hours. :/ (Power cut ):)
[09:20] <shahan> Mohan_chml:
[09:20] <Mohan_chml> heya shahan
[10:44] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[10:48] <shahan> Silver_Fox_: hi
[10:48] <shahan> Silver_Fox_: how r u?
[10:56] <Silver_Fox_> Hello shahan ,  I am fine thank you. How are you ?
[10:56] <shahan> Silver_Fox_: alhamdulillah (all praise to allah)
[10:57] <shahan> Silver_Fox_: :)
[12:21] <Indigo_Studio> hallo :)
[12:22] <Silver_Fox_> Hello Indigo_Studio
[12:22] <Indigo_Studio> Someone tells me he i will get help for my beginner-questions :)
[12:24] <Indigo_Studio> i installed an screensaver but i cant use them :(
[12:26] <Indigo_Studio> why ??
[12:58] <Indigo_Studio> can someone helps me ??
[15:35] <dumbstupidhuman> do you know of an easy way to change my name?
[15:36] <dumbstupidhuman> irc name?
[15:37] <AbhiJit>  /nick name
[15:37] <AbhiJit> dumbstupidhuman, ^^
[15:38] <Mohan_chml> dumbstupidhuman: what nick name you want..?
[15:41] <name> haha
[15:44] <Mohan_chml> -_-'
[15:53] <bobobob> hey guys, does anyone know of a product that just installs a basic os to run VMs and then lets you cycle through VMs with say CTRL-F keys?  Just curious, that would be cool...
[15:53] <bobobob> or opensource project
[15:55] <bobobob> i was installing ubuntu server and saw the VM option and it made me think of that say for a laptop
[15:56] <bobobob> okay, I can tell from the deafening silence that someone has already asked this one.  :D  LOL
[15:57] <hobgoblin> or possibly that there is no-one constantly monitoring the channel :d
[15:57] <bobobob> LOL, well that could be true too :)
[15:57] <hobgoblin> but I've not heard of such a thing - but agree it would be useful tool
[16:00] <bobobob> brb
[18:53] <oly562> hi
[18:59] <hobgoblin> oly562: hi
[19:00] <Dizzo> Hi, I am trying to get Flash to work on Chrome, but when I try to download the files, I get "Your Google Chrome browser already includes the latest Adobe® Flash® Player built-in." Help?
[19:04] <jimboz> does anyone know how to change the number of lines the mouse wheel scrolls per click (currently its at 3 i think)
[19:06] <oly562> dizzo there are many issues with flash, may I ask if your using 64amd cpu?
[19:06] <Dizzo> yes!
[19:06] <Dizzo> what should I do?
[19:08] <oly562> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-enable-flash-support-for-google-chromium-browser.html
[19:08] <oly562> if that doesn't work then there is another link im trying to find for you... sb
[19:09] <Dizzo> oly562: thanks!
[19:10] <oly562> yw
[19:23] <Dizzo> that link seems to work
[19:23] <Dizzo> I got some warnings after I enable it
[19:23] <Dizzo> but I can ignore those right?
[19:26] <Dizzo> [5903:5903:17127102349:ERROR:chrome/common/json_pref_store.cc(44)] Error reading Preferences: File doesn't exist. /root/.config/google-chrome/Default/Preferences: No such file or directory
[19:26] <Dizzo> xdg-settings: unknown desktop environment
[19:26] <Dizzo> *** NSPlugin Viewer  *** WARNING: unhandled variable 18 (<unknown variable>) in NPN_GetValue()
[19:26] <Dizzo> But it works!
[20:05] <serfus> someone here use Rubyripper? ripping with it is extremely slow
[20:11] <kristen> hello?
[20:11] <phillw> !topic
[20:11] <ubot2> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[20:12] <kristen> im really REALLY new at this and i think i may have done something stupid. wondering if someone could help
[20:12] <serfus> kristen, talk to us :)
[20:12] <kristen> i cant get my cd rom to run, it makes a start up noise but then nothing
[20:13] <kristen> so like an idiot i just kept clicking on things thinking that it would help. like if i reinstalled every program
[20:14] <serfus> so what's now?
[20:14] <kristen> so now i tried to download my driver for my new printer off the website and it just gives me...well a page of garble
[20:15] <kristen> i just want to resore my system back to june when i got it
[20:15] <kristen> can you help?
[20:15] <serfus> but your printer used to work?
[20:16] <kristen> the printer that presently installed works fine
[20:16] <kristen> its the new one that i cant get hooked up
[20:16] <serfus> oh, you want to restore... hum i'm not sure if it's possible
[20:16] <kristen> ok so what are my options?
[20:17] <kristen> thanks for helping me by the way:)
[20:17] <serfus> i'm confused, what is that you are trying to achieve now?
[20:17] <kristen> im getting rid of my old printer
[20:17] <kristen> and i just bought a new one today
[20:17] <serfus> to install your new printer or to restore your computer?
[20:17] <kristen> the cd rom drive isn't working
[20:18] <kristen> so i cant install the driver for the new printer
[20:18] <kristen> and for some reason i cant download the driver off the webiste either
[20:18] <serfus> what happens when you try to download the driver?
[20:18] <kristen> i just want the cd rom to work and my new printer to work
[20:19] <kristen> ould not open the file /home/kristendecamilla/Desktop/hplip-3.10.6.run using the Unicode (UTF-8) character encoding.
[20:19] <kristen> that
[20:19] <kristen> and the screen is bright red
[20:20] <serfus> how are you trying to run that file?
[20:20] <serfus> just run it
[20:20] <kristen> like i said i tried and it keeps not letting me
[20:21] <serfus> do you know how the check if it's have executing permissions?
[20:23] <kristen> not
[20:23] <kristen> no
[20:23] <kristen> but i can follow directions:)
[20:23] <serfus> right click on the file, then properties and then go to permissions tab, there check the "allow executing file as program"
[20:23] <serfus> i think this should do the trick
[20:27] <serfus> kristen, succeeded?
[20:27] <kristen> i dont know
[20:27] <kristen> how do i find out
[20:28] <serfus> kristen, you did what i said?
[20:28] <kristen> yes
[20:28] <serfus> now just double click on that file
[20:28] <serfus> and run it
[20:28] <kristen> should they be read files or read and write files?
[20:29] <serfus> it should have the x permission
[20:30] <serfus> so you can execute it
[20:30] <kristen> wow
[20:30] <kristen> its working
[20:30] <kristen> now im confused
[20:31] <kristen> what do i do when it saysd this
[20:31] <serfus> kristen, if it's long use pastebin
[20:31] <kristen> it wont let me
[20:31] <kristen> hang on
[20:33] <kristen> its working
[20:33] <kristen> i love you
[20:33] <kristen> who eveer you are
[20:33] <Mohan_chml> serfus: you got one :P
[20:33] <serfus> the pleasure is mine :)
[20:34] <Galeo> Hi. I'm currently using wine to install a wireless adpater with the windows drivers, everything goes fine until it says to plug-in my adapter to continue installation. I plug the adapter in, and it says it is not found despite the fact that the adapter is recognized when I type lsusb in cmd.
[20:34] <serfus> Mohan_chml, hehe ya... i suppose you have masses
[20:34] <Mohan_chml> Galeo: Suggestion 1: Never use Wine
[20:35] <Mohan_chml> serfus: :P
[20:36] <Mohan_chml> Galeo: why you like to use Windows Drivers??
[20:36] <Galeo> Mohan_chml : until now, I didn't want to, but I can't get it installed another way, and even friends of mine skilled in Ubuntu can't get it through...
[20:38] <Mohan_chml> Hmmm..! But It is not good to work with Wine as it will corrupt Us. And Can you explain what happened to your wisreless driver in Ubuntu?
[20:38] <Galeo> it is the D-Link DWA-125 wireless n 150 usb adapter, I found a lot of explanations on forums, but it never worked.
[20:38] <Mohan_chml> Galeo: you read about wvdail or something like that?
[20:40] <Galeo> I'll read about it. Thx.
[20:40] <Mohan_chml> Wait
[20:40] <Mohan_chml> Galeo: tell me what you read coz I am tired of googling :D
[20:42] <Mohan_chml> Galeo: If you could explain a bit more, It will be helpful and read http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1563406
[20:43] <Mohan_chml> 46 th and 47 reply sounds that the problem is solved. But idk whether it is your problem
[20:44] <Mohan_chml> serfus: you found anything about Rubyripper?
[20:46] <Mohan_chml> Hmmm..! I was talking all alone >:|
[20:51] <Galeo> msg\ Mohan_chml : sorry, it seems I'm having issues with irc.  May I private msg you ?
[20:51] <Mohan_chml> Galeo: Sure
[20:54] <serfus> Mohan_chml, ya, seems like this is a known problem but i can't find any solution :(
[20:55] <Mohan_chml> serfus: try looking for it =]
[20:55] <serfus> i am! and google is not helping me
[20:56] <Mohan_chml> serfus: sometimes google may fail. But you can find a solution soon ;)
[20:56] <serfus> looks like an awesome tool for ripping, but idk why dosn't like ubuntu or rather ubuntu dosn't like it
[20:57] <Mohan_chml> serfus: try looking for alternate softwares
[21:00] <serfus> there is a bunch of good ripping tools but they don't have some of the features rubyripper has
[21:00] <Mohan_chml> argh!
[21:01] <Mohan_chml> serfus: then design one Ripper by your own ;)
[21:02] <suprengr> serfus: throggen?
[21:03] <serfus> Mohan_chml, sure... the best thing i can do now is to " print "hello world"  " :D
[21:03] <serfus> suprengr, uhm?
[21:04] <suprengr> dvd ripper
[21:04] <suprengr> ... can deal with drm if really wanted as well
[21:05] <serfus> i want to use rubyripper to rip audio not dvd
[21:06] <suprengr> soz... has assumed u  had audio on dvd in need of it
[21:07] <serfus> no. i have audio cd and want to rip it to flac, but it's ok... i used plenty of tools, just having problems with this particular one
[22:34] <bodhi_zazen> Anyone want to look this over ?
[22:34] <bodhi_zazen> his
[22:34] <bodhi_zazen> http://bodhizazen.net/Tutorials/ssh_keys/
[22:37] <Mohan_chml> bodhi_zazen: It looks kewl
[22:46] <bodhi_zazen> Mohan_chml: just put it up, looking it over for final touches at the moment, if you see any mistakes ...
[22:46] <bodhi_zazen> You may wish to refresh the page
[22:46] <Mohan_chml> =]
[22:50] <stlsaint> bodhi_zazen: sup
[23:03] <bodhi_zazen> T for looking at my page Mohan_chml
[23:04] <Mohan_chml> bodhi_zazen: I have no other busy work than reading ot at 3:30 AM ;)
[23:04] <Mohan_chml> s/ot/it
[23:04] <bodhi_zazen> LOL
[23:05] <bodhi_zazen> Well, it should put you to sleep =)
[23:05] <Mohan_chml> bodhi_zazen: I was also re-building the structure of www.cvoid.com
[23:05] <Mohan_chml> so Its not a big deal =]
[23:06] <earthling_> Is there a gui for laptop-mode-tools ?  and is it ok to install it on a desktop computer?
[23:08] <Mohan_chml> earthling_: I don't think that a GUI is available for that
[23:09] <Mohan_chml> I saw a link about this. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=940612
[23:09] <Mohan_chml> earthling_: ^ take a look
[23:10] <earthling_> looks good
[23:12] <earthling_> I just installed the laptop-mode-tools, made the hard drive alot quieter :)
[23:13] <Mohan_chml> (:
[23:13] <earthling_> I was looking for weeks for something like that
[23:18] <Mohan_chml> Try searching the Forums before looking at anything earthling_ . You can find solution for all issues =]
[23:21] <earthling_> yeah, I think I found it there
[23:22] <earthling_> other than the hard drive noise, my ubuntu experience has greatly exceeded my expectations
[23:22] <earthling_> in 1.5 months time
[23:24] <Mohan_chml> earthling_: Its worthless saying that Ubuntu is not User friendly, w/o trying it. If you try it, you will never get back to M$ :D
[23:26] <earthling_> I would agree with that
[23:27]  * Mohan_chml needs some sleep. But haz a lot of works to be done :/
[23:27] <earthling_> cya Mohan_chml
[23:28] <Mohan_chml> earthling_: I will be leaving at 5 AM alone =]
[23:28] <Mohan_chml> Its only 4
[23:28] <earthling_> ah ok
[23:29] <earthling_> I think it would be great if there was Ubuntu stores similar to Apple stores
[23:30] <earthling_> where people would find out about ubuntu for the first time and try things out before they do the usb drive
[23:30] <Mohan_chml> earthling_: they are marketing their product for money but we are marketing which we like and want the world to look at it
[23:30] <Mohan_chml> so, we are standing tall ;)
[23:31] <earthling_> there's a certain credibility that goes along with a brick and mortar store
[23:31] <earthling_> among the general public
[23:32] <Mohan_chml> hmmm!
[23:33] <earthling_> those stores are kindof fun, expensive stuff though
[23:35] <phillw> earthling_: there is a 'ubuntu store', where you can purchase merchandise with with the branding; but I you have a read of http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=37 that will give you a better idea of what / who we are,
[23:37] <phillw> earthling_: the shop, btw, can be found at https://shop.canonical.com/
[23:38] <earthling_> I recall seeing something on the desktop about that
[23:38] <earthling_> Ubuntu One Store or something?
[23:39] <earthling_> thats for music I think
[23:42] <phillw> earthling_: the on-line store is gradually being developed, it will be a part of the the Ubuntu Software area eventually. I can go dig out the announcement, but it may take me a while :-)
[23:44] <earthling_> ok
[23:44] <earthling_> bbl


[02:11] <ScottK> Quassel uploaded (didn't even have to break the freeze to do it).  ;-)
[02:45] <shtylman> what the hell...
[02:45] <shtylman> my openoffice kde file dialog has no text when I right click...
[02:45] <shtylman> how does that happen!!
[03:11] <shtylman> ok...this is some serious voodo bs
[03:11] <shtylman> the file dialog shows the text fine with qtcurve style
[03:11] <shtylman> but shows NO text with oxygen style
[03:11] <shtylman> wtf!!!
[03:11] <shtylman> there has to be a reasonable explanation for this!
[03:15] <seele> anyone going to be in london next week?
[03:22] <jjesse> are you?
[03:35]  * jjesse beds
[04:27] <nixternal> shtylman: I just realized, I totally forgot to add an "Office" section to the slideshow :D
[05:02] <rgreening> oh no
[05:02] <rgreening> :P
[05:17] <maco> when Riddell comes back, tell him yes, i'm still alive
[06:01] <apachelogger> shtylman: did the installer package land yet?
[06:01] <apachelogger> ScottK: is choqok on the netbooky, if not, should we change that?
[06:23] <apachelogger> hm
[06:23] <apachelogger> apparently launchpad depends on firefox nowadays
[06:23] <apachelogger> ah
[06:23] <apachelogger> in konqueror it works
[06:24] <apachelogger> that is considerably good, I only need 2 browsers to edit a bug
[06:24] <apachelogger> good thing I do not need 2 operating systems to operate 2 browsers though
[06:25] <apachelogger> apparently I was too excited, the button does not work in konqueror
[06:25] <apachelogger> on to arora
[06:26] <apachelogger> no luck
[06:26] <apachelogger> opera it is
[06:30] <apachelogger> oh, opera 10 looks fancy I must say
[06:30] <apachelogger> hooray for opera
[06:33]  * apachelogger starts beating up kdesudo since launchpad is out of range
[06:41] <apachelogger> it is quite interesting how tools that are supposed to help with distro development always get in my way
[06:41] <apachelogger> to the point where I file bug reports about the tools rather than actually fixing stuff
[08:17] <apachelogger> dpm: ping
[08:18] <dpm> hey apachelogger, morning
[08:18] <apachelogger> dpm: morning :)
[08:18] <apachelogger> dpm: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2009-July/003090.html about timezones4
[08:19]  * dpm reads...
[08:19] <apachelogger> is it possible to have it imported from kdebase-runtime but mapped to kde4libs?
[08:20] <apachelogger> as I see it we either import and list it under kdebase-runtime or we map it somehow to kde4libs (former is inconsistent with upstream though)
[08:23]  * dpm looks in Rosetta
[08:37] <dpm> apachelogger: yeah, I think we can do the mapping in Rosetta (template listed in LP under kde4libs, but the actual source package is kdebase-runtime). Let me confirm this with the Rosetta devs to be certain and I'll come back to you later on. Btw, would it not be easier to sort this out in the packages and get kde4libs to generate the template instead of kdebase-runtime? (just wondering)
[08:39] <apachelogger> dpm: kde4libs does not include the source of kdebase-runtime so it cannot generate this particular pot
[08:41] <dpm> ah, ok
[08:50]  * apachelogger finds dpkg-divert quite sick
[09:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: ping
[10:08] <freinhard> Riddell: built and installed pyqt4 4.8.4 for karmic yesterday, tested some pyqt apps (printer config, jokey) and seems to work. what now? debdiff? ppa?
[10:08] <Riddell> freinhard: PPA is good
[10:08] <Riddell> hi apachelogger
[10:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: hola, please review http://paste.ubuntu.com/271381/ and http://paste.ubuntu.com/271380/
[10:11] <apachelogger> I am replacing dpkg-divert in kdesudo with update-alternatives
[10:11] <apachelogger> getting rid of the diversion is quite hackish though
[10:12] <apachelogger> kdesudo pre-depends kdebase-runtime and that removes the diversion while conflicting and breaking older versions of kdesudo thus forcing it into intermediate removal
[10:18] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm well looks ok, hard to say without testing it, maybe put in a PPA for testing?
[10:19] <freinhard> erm, where does dput upload things in case i forgott to specify my ppa as target?
[10:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah, will do that
[10:20] <Riddell> freinhard: to ubuntu but it'll be discarded since you're not on the key ring
[10:30] <freinhard> Riddell: k, uploaded.
[10:37] <shtylman> apachelogger: not that I know of...
[10:37] <apachelogger> shtylman: whom to poke?
[10:39] <shtylman> apachelogger: evand over at ubuntu-installer
[10:42] <neversfelde> Riddell: amarok is in ninja PPA and bzr
[10:42] <Riddell> neversfelde: rock!
[10:42] <Riddell> did I ever mention that Qt is a beast?
[10:42] <Riddell> well Qt 4.6 is even more of a beast
[10:46] <ghostcube> rofl
[10:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: does 4.6 have multi-OS-tarball already?
[10:55] <Sput> according to the blog entry, it does
[10:58] <freinhard> yay, more useless traffic
[10:59] <freinhard> apachelogger: just commtied a fix for kdesudo.
[11:02] <Riddell> apachelogger: not that I've seen
[11:06] <apachelogger> freinhard: a fancy one I hope :D
[11:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, we should establish some policy... like 3 developers need to agree to implement a dpkg-divert
[11:07] <apachelogger> getting rid of that is an incredible PITA
[11:09] <freinhard> apachelogger: nope, just redirected bugs to lp, not that fancy ;)
[11:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: that dpkg-divert was the course recommended to me by the author of dpkg
[11:09] <apachelogger> jeez
[11:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/apachelogger/ppa/ubuntu karmic main
[11:11] <apachelogger> updated runtime and kdesudo
[11:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: oh, pretty pretty please move the install-package trunk ownership to some team I am member of
[11:22] <Riddell> apachelogger: oh sorry, but go ahead and just push it to ~kubuntu-members
[11:23] <Riddell> I can mark my branch as obsolete
[11:23] <apachelogger> I cannot do that I think
[11:23] <Riddell> why not?
[11:23] <apachelogger> because you own it :P
[11:23] <apachelogger> who am I to decide your software is obsolete
[11:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: anyway, youd still need to change the trunk series
[11:23] <Riddell> well I just said so, you have my full blessing
[11:24] <apachelogger> otherwise lp:install-package will get the wrong branch
[11:24] <Riddell> I can change that too
[11:24]  * apachelogger pushes to members
[11:27] <shtylman> apachelogger: I am waiting on feedback in ubuntu-release about the new package...and if that works out...I will be able to merge into ubiquity trunk
[11:27] <shtylman> apachelogger: I don't know what else has to be done after that... evand said 'binary new'
[11:27] <shtylman> apachelogger: but that doesn't really mean anything to me :)
[11:27] <apachelogger> shtylman: an archive admin needs to approve the new package
[11:27] <apachelogger> Riddell or ScottK can do that
[11:27] <Riddell> I can indeed
[11:27] <shtylman> goodie
[11:28] <shtylman> Riddell: do you need a branch location?
[11:28] <apachelogger> shtylman: first the package needs to be built :)
[11:28] <shtylman> lp:~shtylman/ubiquity/kubuntu-installer-style
[11:28] <apachelogger> binary new is part of the package publishing processing
[11:28] <shtylman> gotcha
[11:29] <apachelogger> package gets uploaded -> built -> if build successful and new package -> queue -> archive admin approves or rejects -> depend on that it gets published or not
[11:32] <shtylman> apachelogger: does the package get built from the trunk of a particular project? or from anywhere?
[11:33] <apachelogger> shtylman: any, that process applies to all new packages
[11:33] <Riddell> from what gets uploaded
[11:34] <shtylman> I see
[11:36] <apachelogger> I am wondering if bug 278722 is just to annoy me or if our KDE really breaks that often
[11:36] <apachelogger> anyway
[11:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: what do we do about it?
[11:36] <apachelogger> I still think that xterm would be a saver bet than x-terminal-emulator
[11:36] <apachelogger> especially since latter can be konsole and if KDE fails to start it is likekly that konsole also fails
[11:37] <Tm_T> indeed
[11:39] <micmord> apachelogger: I agree, konsole in a failsafe session can not serve
[11:40]  * apachelogger checks xterm size
[11:40]  * apachelogger grmubles
[11:40] <apachelogger> almost 1MiB
[11:42] <apachelogger> Recommends: logrotate, xserver-xorg-core | xserver,
[11:42] <apachelogger>  kdebase | x-session-manager | x-window-manager, xterm | x-terminal-emulator
[11:42] <apachelogger> unless we blacklist xterm it actually should be on the karmic cd
[11:42] <apachelogger> oh
[11:43] <apachelogger> actually, x-terminal-emulator is probably provided by konsole
[11:43] <ryanakca> Riddell, shtylman: Wiki changes really live now
[11:43] <apachelogger> Provides: x-terminal-emulator
[11:43] <apachelogger> meh
[11:44] <micmord> apachelogger: no, konsole doesn't provide x-terminal-emulator
[11:44] <micmord> see my comment #5
[11:44] <apachelogger> micmord: it does now
[11:44] <apachelogger> I mean packgewise
[11:45] <micmord> apachelogger: are you sure?  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/271409/
[11:45] <apachelogger> yes I am sure
[11:45] <apachelogger> I am looking at the most recent control file right now
[11:45] <micmord> ok :-P
[11:49] <apachelogger> well, this is all a bit lamish alrigt
[11:50] <apachelogger> xsession provides that hook handling xsession
[11:50] <apachelogger> eh
[11:50] <apachelogger> handling failesafe
[11:51] <apachelogger> anyway, so either the alternatives priority of konsole needs to be super low so it gets not default
[11:51] <apachelogger> though that still requires kdm to recommend xterm only
[11:51] <apachelogger> at times all this stuff annoys me quite a bit
[11:52] <apachelogger> well
[11:52] <apachelogger> screw it
[11:52]  * apachelogger goes for the low hanging fruit
[12:11] <apachelogger> neversfelde: ping
[12:12] <neversfelde> apachelogger: pong
[12:13] <apachelogger> neversfelde: wanna ask the krita doods if they would consider debundling the photoshop plugin stuff from koffice?
[12:13] <apachelogger> into a seperately released tarball that is
[12:13] <apachelogger> otherwise we can't provide psd support in ubuntu (graphicmagick which appears to be a dep of that beasty) is in universe and I doubt we will get it to main
[12:14] <apachelogger> so ultimately the plugin needs to be built in universe as well
[12:15] <neversfelde> mhh, I know no one from the koffice project
[12:15] <neversfelde> but if no one else can do it, I can ask them
[12:17] <neversfelde> apachelogger: what is psd support?
[12:17] <apachelogger> psd = photoshop file
[12:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: please drop oooqs2-kde form the archives
[12:21] <apachelogger> unmaintained upstream and incredibly broken
[12:21] <apachelogger> rather KDE3ish as well
[12:22] <apachelogger> freinhard: are we even allowed to do upstream releases for kdesudo? :S
[12:22]  * apachelogger doubts that we can upload a tarball to lp, so it would not be an official release
[12:23] <apachelogger> must talk to tonio
[12:23] <freinhard> apachelogger: no idea, just did what all other changelog entries did before ;)
[12:23] <apachelogger> oh well, tonio can sort that out :P
[12:23] <apachelogger> need some testing
[12:23] <apachelogger> everyone go add deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/apachelogger/ppa/ubuntu karmic main  and upgrade
[12:23] <apachelogger> that should upgrade kdesudo and kdebase-runtime
[12:24] <apachelogger> and hopefully not break either of them due to maintainer scripts issues
[12:25] <Riddell> apachelogger: uh we still have that thing?
[12:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: failsafe, yes
[12:29] <apachelogger> find it incredibly pointless though, could as well go to a tty
[12:32] <freinhard> apachelogger: apport: "sorry, the package kdebase-runtime 4:4.3.1-0ubuntu1 failed to install or upgrade."
[12:36] <freinhard> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/271416
[12:37] <freinhard> apachelogger: second try: http://paste.ubuntu.com/271417
[12:39] <davmor2> Riddell: cd eject issue is fixed :)
[12:39] <Riddell> that's fortunate, it would be a pretty poor alpha with an issue like that
[12:41] <davmor2> Riddell: I didn't say there weren't other issue just that, that one was fixed ;)
[12:42] <apachelogger> freinhard: lol, that issue is pretty crappy alright
[12:42] <apachelogger> insane me wants to write sh with makefile magic :D
[12:44] <apachelogger> freinhard: uploaded fix for that, should be built in half an hour or so
[12:45] <apachelogger> davmor2: there were others?
[12:45] <freinhard> apachelogger: k, i'll check that later
[12:45] <apachelogger> issues are to be reported, triaged, and left rotting :D
[12:46] <davmor2> apachelogger: Yes I just couldn't find them till I could boot a cd :)
[12:46] <apachelogger> at times one can also skip the triaging
[12:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: what is your opinoin on screensaver by default?
[12:46] <apachelogger> wrote a mail about that to the list a week ago or so
[12:48] <freinhard> screensaver? haven't seen that since the late 1990s ;)
[12:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: I've always been against screensavers on the grounds of them having no point
[12:50] <apachelogger> good :)
[12:51] <apachelogger> should we ship some though
[12:51] <apachelogger> I imagine users looking for something but not finding anything
[12:51] <apachelogger> possibly we could also do a update-notifier implementation like we have in kaffeine, arora and friends
[12:53] <Riddell> open screensaver kcontrol module and it prompts to install kscreensaver?
[12:54] <apachelogger> aye
[12:54] <Riddell> that seems like a good idea
[13:00] <Riddell> ooh qt 4.6 works
[13:00] <Riddell> now what PPA to put it in?
[13:02] <apachelogger> super experimental?
[13:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: experimental I guess
[13:03]  * apachelogger thinks that we need an experimental staging repo
[13:03] <apachelogger> that way we could build stuff so it doesnt depend on qt 4.6
[13:04] <apachelogger> it's not like users would install qt 4.6 just because they don't check twice, right? ;)
[13:04] <apachelogger> if [ ! `echo $$file | grep './po/'` ]; then\
[13:05] <apachelogger> is there a more sensible approach to archive that in sh?
[13:05]  * apachelogger knows there is ?? in bash, but according to the manpage that operator does not exist in sh
[13:22] <freinhard> apachelogger: besides some unkown media types, works.
[13:22] <freinhard> apachelogger: should /usr/bin/kdesudo be a symlink?
[13:22] <apachelogger> no
[13:22] <apachelogger> usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu should
[13:23] <freinhard> k, then everything is fine
[13:24] <apachelogger> yay
[13:28] <Riddell> lots of talk of this nitrogen kwin decoration on planet, maybe we should package it
[13:34] <Sput> too late
[13:35] <Sput> ah, though, you guys still ship KDE 4.3
[13:35] <Sput> it's just been merged into oxygen for 4.4
[13:37] <Riddell> right but for karmic might be nice
[13:40] <freinhard> Riddell: uploaded pyqt4 and sip to my ppa for karmic and jaunty
[13:44] <ScottK> Riddell: Tonio made packages for it at one point.
[13:47] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: think we could sneak in a plasma-widget-networkmanagement update before alpha 6?
[13:47]  * JontheEchidna could update the package
[13:49] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I just did one yesterday
[13:49] <JontheEchidna> oh, so you did
[13:49] <JontheEchidna> wonder how I missed that
[13:49] <apachelogger> mhh, nitrogen for karmic ... lets better wait for KDE 4.4 :)
[13:49] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: if you fancy fixing the  upload I did to kubuntu-ppa/backports that would be lovely
[13:49]  * JontheEchidna will take a look
[13:49] <apachelogger> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/pkg-kde-tools/ubuntu <---- !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[13:50] <apachelogger> you have no idea how difficult it is to import anything into bzr without loosing something important
[13:50] <JontheEchidna> whoa, did you import the svn repo?
[13:50] <apachelogger> it is git
[13:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: kdesu upgrade worked perfectly
[13:50] <apachelogger> svn prolly would have been easier
[13:50] <apachelogger> but since git is superior to bzr
[13:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: cool
[13:51] <Riddell> neversfelde: amarok works perfectly
[13:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: could you also give the upgrade a shot ... add my ppa and upgrade, that should pull in new runtime and kdesudo
[13:51] <JontheEchidna> ah, the diversion funkiness?
[13:51] <neversfelde> Riddell: for me too
[13:52] <Riddell> Nightrose: when is amarok release due?
[13:52] <Nightrose> Riddell: tomorrow late morning
[13:53] <Riddell> hmm, do we break alpha freeze to get it into alpha or not bother?
[13:54] <neversfelde> probably important that amarok 2.2 gets enough testing before beta
[13:54] <apachelogger> dont break
[13:54] <apachelogger> doesn't make much difference does it
[13:54] <apachelogger> neversfelde: if it lands tomorrow or on friday doesn't make all that much of a diff :P
[13:54] <neversfelde> ok
[13:54] <apachelogger> IMHO at least
[13:55] <Nightrose> rc tagging on monday
[13:55] <Nightrose> if that helps to decide
[13:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/pkg-kde-tools/ubuntu/revision/58
[13:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: what do you think about that change?
[13:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: should be fine
[13:56] <apachelogger> if pot extraction fails we know why :D
[13:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: bonus points if you work out a way for it not to generate .pot files for kde-l10n-xx packages
[13:57] <apachelogger> that would be easy if we hand't dh7 and cdbs at the same time :S
[14:00] <Riddell> it is a pain that
[14:01] <Riddell> I'm sure dh7 is all very nice but I'm not convinced the Debian world needs yet another build system
[14:01] <rgreening> Riddell: I have two kspashx running on login and they hang unless I kill one. One seems UID 1000 and the other root. I have myself setup to auto-login and I expect this is why both ksplashx end up running at the same time. YOu need to retool your patch or remove as this currently will prevent any auto-login from working.
[14:01] <Riddell> rgreening: that's next on my todo list
[14:01] <rgreening> ok
[14:01] <rgreening> \o/
[14:02] <Riddell> just takes a mouse click to work around in the mean time :)
[14:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: it is pretty neat for stuff that does not have a .mk file that sorts everything
[14:02] <rgreening> btw Riddell, usb-creator translations working a-ok. I test build a package (in lp:~roderick-greening). Awesome help from you.
[14:02] <apachelogger> allows very easy implementation of standard stuff
[14:02] <apachelogger> but getting information out of it is quite nasty
[14:04] <jtholmes> kubuntu partman crashing 9/15/09 live-cd  is this known
[14:05] <Riddell> jtholmes: not to me, get  /var/log/syslog and /var/log/installer/* report a bug on ubiquity
[14:06] <jtholmes> Riddell, did that but got syslog and partman will recreate and add installer thx
[14:08] <apachelogger> hm
[14:08] <apachelogger> funs
[14:10] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: upgrade went fine
[14:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: k, thx
[14:11] <apachelogger> always those freezes
[14:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: will bzr push kdesudo and runtime later on
[14:12] <Riddell> neversfelde: did you commit amarok packaging to bzr?
[14:17] <neversfelde> Riddell: yes
[14:18] <Riddell> groovy
[14:33] <allee-k> Mhhm, kwin or plasma-desktop blocks/hangs after resume (intel gfx).  Must be something new with 4.3* in karmic
[15:02] <ScottK> agateau: I'm pulling your changes into quassel via their git now, so please make sure Sput continues to have your latest and greatest.
[15:03] <agateau> ScottK: will do
[15:03] <Sput> ScottK: and use the master branch in the future, as I don't think I'll keep maintaining the libindicate branch
[15:03] <ScottK> Sput: Will do.
[15:03] <Sput> after I accidentally merged it into master last night :]
[15:03] <agateau> :)
[15:04] <agateau> \o/
[15:04] <Sput> agateau: we were wondering how you ever managed to get it to compile though, given that bash and zsh didn't like your escaping of -DDESKTOP_FILE
[15:04] <Sput> are you using some weird shell?
[15:04] <agateau> Sput: yes, strange, I use zsh
[15:04] <Sput> hmmm... maybe it was only bash then
[15:04] <Sput> still weird :)
[15:04] <agateau> it built here, but Jonathan reported this issue as well
[15:05] <apachelogger> hm
[15:05] <agateau> it's in my TODO
[15:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: seems like only a target spanning if would make it stop process kde-10n
[15:07] <apachelogger> or we move everything to a shell script and just pass KUBUNTU_DESKTOP_POT and DEB_SOURCE_PACKAGE over
[15:08] <apachelogger> there does not seem to be a way to return/end/exit a target processing from within the target and ifeq outside the targets makes them whine
[15:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: there can't be a if DEB_SOURCE_PACKAGE starts with kde-l10n ?
[15:08] <apachelogger> nope
[15:08] <apachelogger> well, there can
[15:09] <apachelogger> but if it is done in shell inside a target it is limited to the shell scope (i.e. no matter what you do you can't make the target return to caller)
[15:09] <apachelogger> if you do it outside in a makefile style if you still have to pipe it through a shell because make doesn't have anything startswithish and/or regexp support
[15:10] <Riddell> all sounds like too much hassle really
[15:11] <apachelogger> aye
[15:11]  * apachelogger inspects the cdbs files a bit, maybe they have a solution to that, though it is doubtable
[15:16] <apachelogger> oh
[15:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: silly me, I seem to have found something :S
[15:18] <apachelogger> ifneq ($(findstring kde-l10n-,$(DEB_SOURCE_PACKAGE)),kde-l10n-)
[15:18] <Sput> agateau: we fixed it already.
[15:19] <agateau> Sput: oh great, thanks!
[15:21]  * Riddell uploads kdebase-workspace
[15:22] <apachelogger> arent we like in freeze? :S
[15:23] <Riddell> hmm, oh yes
[15:23] <apachelogger> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/pkg-kde-tools/ubuntu/revision/59
[15:26] <Riddell> apachelogger: that works?
[15:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: pretty much so
[15:26] <apachelogger> if it cant find kde-l10n-de in the source pkg name it will process the targets
[15:26] <apachelogger> otherwise not
[15:28] <Riddell> groovy
[15:28] <apachelogger> it sure is a good thing kdesudo got it's own development team and ubuntu-dev is not a member of it
[15:29] <freinhard> narf, buggy pyqt
[15:29] <apachelogger> that would be the py in the pyqt
[15:30] <apachelogger> hrrr
[15:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: workspace is in chrootwait
[15:30] <freinhard> that would be the sip in the pyqt
[15:30] <apachelogger> that cant b egood
[15:30] <rgreening> mmmm.... py
[15:31]  * apachelogger takes a sip of the vodka so he does not have to beat up another package
[15:33] <apachelogger> anyone with the gnome around?
[15:34] <freinhard> apachelogger: http://dpaste.com/93857/ works for 4.4.4 segfaults with 4.5.2/4
[15:35] <apachelogger> hm
[15:35] <apachelogger> thats what you get from not using rdale's awesomeness :P
[15:41] <freinhard> apachelogger: thx for the hint, works with PySide
[15:42] <apachelogger> that does not use sip, does it?
[15:42] <apachelogger> it sure as hell does not use smoke
[15:42] <freinhard> nope doesn't use sip
[15:43] <freinhard> the only thing i care about is: doesn't use bugs ;)
[15:43] <yuriy> aaah spaces befor parentheses
[15:45] <ScottK> apachelogger: buildd's are busted ATM.
[15:45] <ScottK> (thus the chrootwait)
[16:01] <nixternal> yowsers, don't reboot after updating today :/
[16:03] <yuriy> nixternal: everything broken for you too?
[16:03] <yuriy> karmic hasn't been working for me for 2 days now
[16:04] <ejat> Oo ..
[16:04] <ejat> nixternal: broken package? bugs?
[16:04] <ejat> :(
[16:05] <nixternal> yuriy: yup, everything..and I mean everything
[16:05] <nixternal> can't moutn private shares, therefor I can't get net access, nor do I even get a desktop
[16:06] <ejat> ouch ..
[16:06] <nixternal> isn't main frozen?
[16:06]  * ejat just upgrade it just now ... so i think i also get involved in it right ?
[16:07] <yuriy> huh probably a different problem.  what i get is with nvidia X tries to start and fails and I can't get to a terminal. If i go into recovery mode and remove xorg.conf, kdm works, but crashes as soon as i log in, even with a fresh .kde
[16:07] <jjesse_> my karmic netbook works great
[16:08] <jjesse_> no prolbems on that system
[16:08] <ejat> is this for netbook @ desktop?
[16:08] <nixternal> x86_64
[16:09] <ejat> nixternal: owh .. thanks god .. im save .. :)
[16:11] <nixternal> well, I am updating my netbook now, I will see how that goes
[16:12] <nixternal> dpkg: error processing acpid (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[16:12] <nixternal> I swear, nobody tests their damn packages
[16:14] <jjesse_> i thought testing thier packages meant just uploading them to repo and letting everyone do it for them :)
[16:14] <JontheEchidna> latest acpid upgrade went fine for me
[16:14] <ghostcube> isnt this microsoft style jjesse
[16:15] <ghostcube> :D
[16:15] <nixternal> seems upstart and initscripts are broken and they know about it...trying to figure it out now it seems
[16:15] <jjesse_> that was a sarcastic comment from me
[16:16] <JontheEchidna> upstart and initscripts are held back for me; probably why stuff didn't fail
[16:17] <nixternal> right, they are held back for me too, but another package that wasn't held back though is causing it, as it doesn't work w/o the new upstart it seems
[16:32] <nixternal> umm, whatever you do, 64 or 32bit, do not reboot
[16:32] <nixternal> my netbook at least boots up, but you get 0 keyboard or mouse action
[16:34] <jjesse_> nixternal i had that problem, had to do a fresh install to get it back up and working
[16:34] <Sput> that sounds like the evdev driver hasn't been rebuilt when it should be :)
[16:34] <jjesse_> that was last week?
[16:39] <jjesse_> then once i did a reinstall all of the updates worked fine
[16:41] <mterry> Riddell, hello!  Do happen to know of any plans to sync python-qt4 to debian's 4.5.4-1?
[16:53] <yuriy> mterry: I think freinhard is working on 4.5.4 (don't know if it's a sync)
[16:53] <mterry> yuriy, OK.  I'm not particular.  :)  thx
[16:55] <Riddell> mterry: yes it's here if you want to test it https://edge.launchpad.net/~freinhard/+archive/ppa
[16:55] <Riddell> mterry: are you looking for something in paticular?
[16:56] <mterry> Riddell, I think it will fix a ubiquity bug 428200
[16:56] <mterry> Riddell, will test to see
[17:02] <mterry> Riddell, freinhard, yeah, I can confirm that freinhard's package fixes bug 428200, so maybe add that to the changelog?
[17:03] <mterry> adding new target now
[17:03] <Riddell> mterry: how common is this bug?   do we want to fix it before the alpha on thursday?
[17:04] <mterry> Riddell, Kubuntu won't be installable with the Russian language.  I'm not sure how many other languages are affected.  (tried a couple, didn't hit it)
[17:05] <mterry> Riddell, I also have no idea why the choice of language would affect it....
[17:05] <Riddell> sounds like we should try and get it in, I'll see what the release team thinks
[17:24] <rgreening> Riddell: icefox may have adblock in a new release. trying to see if I can get a release today and post. Will you be able to upload?
[17:27] <rgreening> Riddell: hmm... arora 0.9.0 I provided you doesn't seem to be uploaded?
[17:29] <rgreening> ScottK: ping
[17:36] <Riddell> rgreening: doh
[17:36] <rgreening> ya
[17:37] <rgreening> can you upload 0.9.0 asap
[17:37] <rgreening> Riddell: ^
[17:37] <Riddell> doing
[17:37] <rgreening> Riddell: ok. ty. Also, I may get a 0.9.1 later today (but not 100% certain icefox will have it ready in time for me to package and upload).
[17:38] <rgreening> Riddell: will you be around later or can someone else like ScottK be able to upload (as we have a standing FFe for arora)
[17:38] <Riddell> we're in alpha freeze so later today may be too late until after alpha is out
[17:38] <Riddell> I'll be around at some point
[17:39] <rgreening> Riddell: the 0.9.1 will have working adblock and initial wallet support (not kwallet but a wallet of sorts).
[17:39] <rgreening> ok. how long do we have until its too late?
[17:40] <rgreening> i.e. the drop dead time?
[17:40] <rgreening> we definately want 0.9.0 in though for now.
[17:40] <Riddell> dunno, depends when slangasek starts building images, probably this chroot breakage will take some time to clear
[17:41] <rgreening> hehe
[17:42] <rgreening> ok, let's get 0.9.0 in and I'll work on the update. If we can get it in, we do it, otherwise it's in the beta
[18:18]  * Riddell updates webkitkde, it's working quite well
[18:21] <Riddell> well, except for gmail :(
[18:26] <rgreening> wow
[18:26] <rgreening> haha
[18:26] <rgreening> Riddell: did arora get uploaded
[18:27] <Riddell> rgreening: launchpad says  yes
[18:31] <rgreening> kool
[18:31] <rgreening> :)
[18:35] <freinhard> how did i manage to upload python-qt4_4.5.4-0ubuntu1? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-qt4/4.5.4-0ubuntu1
[18:42] <davmor2> freinhard: magic
[18:43] <freinhard> davmor2: and who's the wizzard?
[18:43] <davmor2> freinhard: but sssshhhhh cause everyone will want to use it
[18:43] <davmor2> Riddell: I believe
[19:56] <e-jat> im just got brick .. upgrade to latest alpha5 .. keyboard n mouse freeze :(
[21:59] <ScottK> freinhard: You can grab the .dsc from launchpad and see who's key signed it.
[22:03] <Riddell> I confe, it was I
[22:04]  * ScottK unstick's Riddell's "s" key.
[22:13] <Riddell> Riddelll: err, hello, who are you then?
[22:13] <jjesse> lol
[22:14] <Riddelll> I'm the real Riddell, you're the imposter!
[22:45] <jtholmes> woo hoo they finally fixed save session for kubuntu 9.10 that was hosed for the last three releases thanks Kubuntu folks, nice job really helps
[23:05] <Riddell> pgquiles: ping
[23:06] <pgquiles> Riddell: pong, here too :-)
[23:06] <Riddell> pgquiles: can you see my chat on facebook?
[23:06] <Riddell> and can you respond?
[23:06] <pgquiles> Riddell: I can see you and I did already respond. Are you testing it with Konqueror? (I'm on Firefox 3.5 now)
[23:06] <Riddell> I'm testing with kopete
[23:07] <Riddell> guess that doesn't work then :(
[23:07] <pgquiles> I just sent you another message through facebook, can you see it ?
[23:07] <Riddell> nope
[23:07] <pgquiles> it does not work, then
[23:08] <pgquiles> I can see what you sent me: "one two one two"
[23:08] <pgquiles> it seems that it half works
[23:08] <Riddell> try now, I logged out of the web interface
[23:09] <pgquiles> I sent two pongs
[23:09] <Riddell> fooey
[23:10] <Riddell> hmm, interesting, I gave kopete the wrong password and it still logged in
[23:10] <pgquiles> !?
[23:10] <pgquiles> intriguing
[23:10] <pgquiles> does that mean the facebook chat protocol does not check credentials when you send but only when you receive?
[23:12] <pgquiles> did you see my "pong to your "pong from web interface" " ?
[23:14] <Riddell> yes
[23:14] <Riddell> pgquiles: how about now?
[23:14] <pgquiles> I can see your ping, can you see my pong ?
[23:14] <Riddell> nope
[23:14] <Riddell> even with the right password it doesn't work
[23:14] <pgquiles> ugh
[23:21] <nixternal> cool, putty works with vista!!! thank god for Vista
[23:22] <nixternal> I have 3 karmic machines, which are nothing more than paper weights with power buttons
[23:25]  * davmor2 forces nixternal to wash his mouth out with soapy water
[23:25] <nixternal> no way dude, at least it just works...though putty and this keyboard aren't friends
[23:27] <davmor2> nixternal: this is why my main box always runs one version behind :)
[23:27] <nixternal> this is why I will have a debian or opensuse box from now on
[23:30] <nixternal> actually opensuse, this way I can keep an eye on um :p
[23:32] <Riddell> what broke in karmic?
[23:32] <nixternal> Riddell: sysvinit, upstart, mountall, you name it
[23:33] <nixternal> by far the worst state I have come across in 4 years
[23:33] <nixternal> everything in the past always had a simple fix or workaround
[23:33] <nixternal> not this one :(
[23:37] <nixternal> oh well...guess i will go find another hobby to do and hope everything is groovy by tomorrow...if you need me, hit up my cell phone, as i have 0 puters right now w/o wiping and starting over, and i don't have any cds around :/
[23:37] <nixternal> silly me
[23:41] <Riddell> could be related to all the chroots being broken too I suppose


[02:30] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:21] <ducasse> good morning
[06:29] <lordievader> Good morning
[18:21] <marcoagpinto> Hello!
[18:21]  * daftykins hides
[18:23] <marcoagpinto> it is me, the cola demon
[18:24]  * lotuspsychje runs
[18:26]  * sarnold hides
[18:27]  * joelcrump cracks a pepsi
[18:27]  * oerheks kills an onion
[18:28] <marcoagpinto> what?! You killed the Tor Browser? :(((((((
[18:28] <daftykins> excellent


[10:48] <gnuoy> tinwood, got a sec for https://github.com/openstack-charmers/charms.openstack/pull/10 ?
[10:48] <tinwood> gnuoy, lemme take a look.
[10:48] <gnuoy> ta
[10:53] <tinwood> gnuoy, done.
[10:53] <gnuoy> tinwood, thanks
[10:59] <gnuoy> tinwood, updated
[11:02] <tinwood> gnuoy, looks good to me +1
[11:12] <gnuoy> tinwood, can you hit the button?
[11:12] <tinwood> gnuoy, I don't know - I'll give it a go.
[11:13] <tinwood> gnuoy, sadly not.  I don't have write access tot he openstack-charmers repo.  I probably need to be elected to a group?
[12:21] <tinwood> gnuoy, thanks for the invite :)
[12:46] <beisner> o/
[12:51] <gnuoy> narindergupta, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327638/
[13:03] <shruthima> hi kwmonroe , I have tried to deploy the IBM-IM charm that you have proposed for merge request but facing some issues..Please can we have a discussion for 5-10 min on these..
[13:59] <shruthima> hi mbruzek/kwmonroe , I have tried to deploy the IBM-IM charm that you proposed for merge request but facing some issues..Please can we have a discussion for 5-10 min on these..
[13:59] <mbruzek> Sure
[13:59] <mbruzek> shruthima: What error did you see?
[14:00] <shruthima> actually when we deploy is is not asking for license to accept
[14:00] <shruthima> and it is gng to unknown state
[14:01] <mbruzek> shruthima: please run "juju list-agreements" and pastebin the output
[14:02] <shruthima> root@ptcvm2:~# juju list-agreements Press return to select a default value. Username:  (it is asking for username and password)
[14:03] <shruthima> when we use launchpad id it is showing incorrect email/password
[14:04] <mbruzek> shruthima: what launchpad id are you using?
[14:04] <shruthima> mbruzek:ERROR failed to list user agreements: cannot get discharge from "https://api.jujucharms.com/identity/v1/discharger": cannot start interactive session: cannot get token: Provided email/password is not correct.
[14:05] <shruthima> salmavar
[14:07] <mbruzek> https://launchpad.net/~salmavar shows the user is "Shruthima" is the email wrong on this page?
[14:09] <beisner> hi bcsaller, interested in your take on this behavior we're seeing:  https://github.com/juju/charm-tools/issues/220    tldr;  while trying to automate charm build in openstack ci, we're seeing lower layer ignores impact higher layer files.
[14:09] <shruthima> mbruzek: username is Shruthima .. email is salmavar
[14:10] <mbruzek> beisner: bcsaller is on the west coast, and it is 6 am there. I would not expect him in yet.
[14:11] <mbruzek> beisner: sorry 7am
[14:11] <beisner> mbruzek, ah thx.  :)  do you have any ideas on that^?
[14:13] <mbruzek> beisner: I saw this bug come in, no idea why the dot files don't make it to the built charm. Ben told us we could look at "Tactics" to handle different kinds of files. We can include Tactics files in our layers that will govern how to copy, compose specific file types. Look at the code regarding Tactics
[14:14] <beisner> mbruzek, actually the dotfile is a separate issue
[14:14] <beisner> mbruzek, that dotfile (hidden files) issue is @ https://github.com/juju/charm/issues/201
[14:15] <beisner> https://github.com/juju/charm-tools/issues/220 is what we're blocked on
[14:16] <mbruzek> beisner: Ah I see
[14:22] <mbruzek> shruthima: what version of juju do you have? "juju version"
[14:22] <shruthima> juju 2.0
[14:24] <mbruzek> shruthima: What specific version? For example I am on 2.0-beta8-xenial-amd64
[14:25] <mbruzek> beisner: perhaps you can overwrite that ignore statement in the base layer. I wouldn't know how to do that (of course) but there might be away
[14:25] <mbruzek> a way
[14:25] <shruthima> 2.0-beta7-xenial-amd64
[14:26] <beisner> mbruzek, i think the expected behavior is that each layer should be able to declare its own set of ignores, and layers above it should operate only on their own declared ignores.
[14:26] <mbruzek> beisner: Yeah that makes sens, but something tells me Ben had though of this, and you can remove ignores or overwrite them somehow.
[14:26] <shruthima> mbruzek: Now iam able to authenticate  juju list-agreements command is showing []
[14:27] <mbruzek> shruthima: What commands did you run to get to that state?
[14:28] <shruthima> i was checking juju status
[14:28] <shruthima> and iam checking juju debug-log it is not gng to reactive even
[14:30] <jcastro> So the jenkins charm, on the store page points to launchpad, but the branch itself lives upstream
[14:31] <jcastro> are we manually syncing these because the one from the store seems old?
[14:31] <mbruzek> shruthima: Can you deploy ibm-im now? Does it ask for terms?
[14:31] <marcoceppi> beisner: dot files were a known issue, I thought they had sorted it though
[14:32] <shruthima> yup after authentication i have tried it is not asking for terms
[14:32] <mbruzek> marcoceppi: His current problem is the README.md not makign it to the final charm
[14:32] <shruthima> i have used juju deploy /root/charms/trusty/ibm-im  --series trusty --resource ibm_im_installer=/root/repo/agent.installer.linux.gtk.x86_64_1.8.3000.20150606_0047.zip
[14:32] <marcoceppi> mbruzek: I'm aware, but it might not be a build issue
[14:33] <mbruzek> shruthima: pastebin the juju list-agreements command after you authenticate
[14:33] <beisner> marcoceppi, so the hidden dot file thing is an issue, but not a current blocker.  our blocker is that lower layer ingore declarations are causing higher layers to drop files (it appears).
[14:33] <marcoceppi> beisner: right, which makes sense in our current design but might not be the end goal.
[14:33] <marcoceppi> beisner: why even bother having the ignore in the first place? since it'll just be overwritten with the top layer
[14:33] <shruthima> mbruzek: root@ptcvm2:~/charms/trusty# juju list-agreements []
[14:34] <shruthima> it is displaying []
[14:34] <beisner> marcoceppi, this seems inert (just a readme file), but we also need to ignore unit tests from lower layers so they don't make it into higher layers or the built charm.
[14:34] <marcoceppi> beisner: that's a bigger issue
[14:35] <beisner> marcoceppi, it is.
[14:41] <shruthima> mruzek: http://paste.ubuntu.com/17144275/
[14:44] <mbruzek> shruthima: Ah!
[14:45] <marcoceppi> beisner: going to work on a fix today for 2.1.3
[14:45] <marcoceppi> err, 2.14
[14:45] <marcoceppi> 2.1.4
[14:48] <beisner> marcoceppi, rock on.  much appreciated :)
[14:48] <shruthima> mbruzek: juju debug-log http://paste.ubuntu.com/17144408/
[14:49] <shruthima> actually not understanding were it is getting struck bec deploy is gng smooth but installtion is not happening even reactive is not getting called according to logs what i have checked
[14:50] <shruthima> terms is not displying though ,could u please suggest what may be the reason?
[14:50] <mbruzek> shruthima: Paste bin a juju status
[14:51] <gnuoy> jamespage, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327638/
[14:51] <shruthima> mbruzek : http://paste.ubuntu.com/17144275/
[14:54] <mbruzek> shruthima: The reason you didn't get prompted to agree to the terms is because you are deploying the local charm. Terms is only prompted by charms deployed from the charm store.
[14:55] <mbruzek> shruthima: If you reset that environment and juju deploy cs:~kwmonroe/trusty/ibm-im  you should be prompted for the terms
[14:56] <shruthima> is there any way to check local charms with terms
[14:56] <shruthima> ok il check
[14:57] <kwmonroe> shruthima: it doesn't make much sense to enforce a term with a local charm, because if you have the charm locally, you could just edit metadata.yaml and remove the "terms" key.
[14:57] <cmars> shruthima, distribution of a charm through the charmstore is gated by capturing user agreement to terms
[14:57] <kwmonroe> so terms are only enforced when deploying from the charm store
[14:57] <jamespage> gnuoy, two nits
[14:57] <kwmonroe> heh cmars, i was just about to make you jump in :)
[14:58] <cmars> shruthima, we can't effectively gate distribution if that distribution is happening out of band with a local charm deploy
[14:58] <cmars> shruthima, nor would we have any legal basis for knowing who's agreed to what terms for a given charm deployment
[14:59] <cmars> shruthima, i recommend publishing the charm to the charmstore, possibly with access permissions restricted if it's not ready for general public consumption
[15:00] <shruthima> yes i agree it wont make sense for local charms but i mean in terms of testing juju terms before deploying charms
[15:01] <shruthima> thanks for making me clear
[15:01] <gnuoy> jamespage, nits swatted
[15:51] <cory_fu> bcsaller: Can you take a look at beisner's issue above (https://github.com/juju/charm-tools/issues/220)?  I'm not really familiar with the intended behavior of "ignores"
[15:55] <beisner> hi cory_fu, bcsaller - fyi marcoceppi is also looking.  i think this is where that behavior change was introduced:  https://github.com/juju/charm-tools/issues/85
[15:55] <cory_fu> From a quick glance at the code, though, the ignore property uses rget (https://github.com/juju/charm-tools/blob/master/charmtools/build/config.py#L90) which seems pretty explicit that ignores are combined from all layers before being handled, rather than being per-layer like the issue expects.
[15:55] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: yes, but I think the issue is valid
[15:56]  * marcoceppi has a suggestion he's writing in the bug
[15:56] <cory_fu> beisner: I'm not sure.  From the implementation of the ignores property, it seems like it was that way from the begining.  I do think your interpretation of how it should work is better, though
[15:58] <bcsaller> maybe it should work that way, sure, but having to ignore a file you intend/expect to override in a later layer is also a little much since overwrite is the default behavior
[15:58] <cory_fu> Although, there's also some ambiguity in whether an ignore in a given layer should ignore that file from only the current layer (and allow the same file from a lower layer to come through), or if it should block the file from only lower layers (i.e., preventing merges with the file as defined in the current layer), or block it from the current layer and below, having no file be given to higher layers
[15:58] <bcsaller> like a base layer shouldn't have to say ignore: readme
[15:58] <bcsaller> thats just a dead chicken
[15:59] <cory_fu> That's also a good point
[16:00] <beisner> bcsaller, we would like to ignore the unit_tests dir.  that's a little more concrete example than a readme file.
[16:00] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: https://github.com/juju/charm-tools/issues/220#issuecomment-224941776
[16:01] <marcoceppi> bcsaller: ^^
[16:01] <cory_fu> That removes the ambiguity, I like it
[16:02] <cory_fu> Do we need to change the key name, though?  Why not just change the behavior of "ignore"?
[16:04] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: because how would I distinguish between ignoring on my layer and ignoring on layers below me?
[16:04] <marcoceppi> I suppose if the key is a string vs a dict
[16:04] <marcoceppi> but then it's a list of things
[16:05] <cory_fu> Yeah, I guess I'm saying the current behavior isn't really useful, and I don't think it's used much at all, so just change it to be a map and re-use the existing key name
[16:06] <cory_fu> I guess if we want to be backwards compatible, we can detect list vs map
[16:06] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: that's fine, I suppose we could create a tactic that rewrote the key if it was a list?
[16:06] <marcoceppi> and gave a warning
[16:06] <cory_fu> Perhaps, though I'm think the value might be processed before a tactic has a chance to rewrite it
[16:07] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: good point
[16:07] <marcoceppi> so just do it transparently to the user?
[16:08] <cory_fu> Yeah.  I don't think that feature is even documented anywhere.  It's certainly not in https://github.com/juju/charm-tools/blob/master/doc/source/build.md
[16:08] <bcsaller> only apply ignores to layers previous to itself? then clear the list
[16:08] <bcsaller> maybe
[16:09] <kwmonroe> admcleod: you were right about zeppelin getting trigger happy.  it does indeed fail because it thinks hadoop is ready earlier than it actually is.  i didn't notice it before because it does eventually become ready.. is this similar to what you saw? http://paste.ubuntu.com/17146568/
[16:10] <beisner> bcsaller, that seems like a useful and simple default behavior.   i like marcoceppi 's idea of having finer granularity with a different thing - but that can be a different thing, yah?
[16:11] <beisner> bcsaller, well <= self actually
[16:14] <beisner> strike -1 prev statement ;-)
[17:28] <kwmonroe> anyone (kjackal?) have thoughts on bundle naming conventions?  for big data specifically, i'm thinking <engine>-<task>-<highlight>, like hadoop-analytics-hive, or spark-processing-kafka, or ignite-visualization-zeppelin
[17:35] <beisner> coreycb, some overdue housekeeping along with a cleaner way to split legacy (precise):  https://code.launchpad.net/~1chb1n/openstack-charm-testing/pxc-vs-mysql-vs-precise-config-options/+merge/296963     validating @ osci (will retrigger your precise proposed test run as one of those steps of validation).
[17:38] <coreycb> beisner, thanks!
[17:38] <beisner> coreycb, yw
[17:38] <marcoceppi> kwmonroe: why not the other way? <engine>-<highlight>-<task> ?
[17:39] <marcoceppi> spark-kafka-processing
[17:39] <marcoceppi> the <task> in the middle feels weird
[18:10] <beisner> thedac can you also do the honors on this? - (fyi: jamespage tinwood ) need to unignore things for now to proceed with automating things.   https://github.com/openstack-charmers/charm-layer-openstack/pull/7
[18:10] <thedac> sure
[18:12] <beisner> thedac, thanks again
[18:14] <thedac> beisner: merged
[18:14] <beisner> off to the races then, thx thedac :)
[18:23] <kwmonroe> ack marcoceppi, thx.  <task> may be superflous too.. like if you already know what spark and kafka are, you probably don't need somebody to say "processing" or whatever
[18:24] <kwmonroe> yes cory_fu, i misspelled superfluous ^ get over it
[18:29] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: I've got questions
[19:05] <marlinc> I'm currently trying to run OpenStack in LXD containers (just to try it out). I'm currently running into the following error: RuntimeError: Exit code: 1; Stdin: ; Stdout: ; Stderr: mount --make-shared /var/run/netns failed: Permission denied
[19:05] <marlinc> I'm not sure how to allow the LXC container to create that mount point
[19:11] <cory_fu> marcoceppi: Sorry, I was out for a bit.  What question do you have?
[19:13] <cory_fu> kwmonroe, petevg, kjackal, admcleod: Any objection to me creating a Jira and a patch for the Spark charm layer?
[19:13] <petevg> cory_fu: sounds good to me.
[19:27] <kwmonroe> +1 cory_fu
[19:27] <cory_fu> kwmonroe: For https://github.com/juju-solutions/layer-openjdk/issues/5 do we need to be worried about the non-zero exit code?  The test failure doesn't look like it was actually choking on the output
[19:29] <cory_fu> Also, if the grep does fail, maybe we should report something more useful than "Unexpected return code"
[19:31] <kwmonroe> hmph, you're right cory_fu.. we weren't testing the output for anything, so the ssh host warning shouldn't have mattered.
[19:31] <kwmonroe> i wonder if the rest of that output was "warning...java not found"
[19:32] <cory_fu> I don't actually even understand why the command exited non-zero.
[19:32] <cory_fu> kwmonroe: Actually, looking at the code, that print dumps all of the output, so it doesn't look like the `java -version` command even generated any output
[19:33] <kwmonroe> yeah, agreed
[20:18] <cmars> cherylj, didn't see test timeouts due to npipe listener Close, but I also forgot to capture stderr. However, I did find some other test failures -- which I also saw when testing in my own KVM. Opened LP:#1590947
[20:18] <mup> Bug #1590947: TestCertificateUpdateWorkerUpdatesCertificate failures on windows <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1590947>
[20:19] <cmars> running again, this time with stderr redirected properly...
[20:19] <xilet_> So, I can't find much documentation on it so far, can anyone explain how expose is supposed to work? (Trying to expose openstack-dashboard)
[20:19] <cherylj> thanks, cmars
[20:41] <cory_fu> xilet_: It should be pretty straightfoward.  The charm has to call `open-port <port>` to open a port, which would then be listed in `juju status`.  If you call `juju expose <service>` on that service, then you should be able to connect to that unit's public address (also listed in juju status) on any of the ports the charm opened.
[20:41] <xilet_> Yeah, I see exposed: yes, but no public addresses listed
[20:41] <xilet_> I am using 2.0-beta7-xenial-amd64
[20:42] <arosales> xilet_: are you using maas or lxd as the cloud?
[20:43] <xilet_> http://pastebin.com/StVS70z5  [for juju status]
[20:43] <xilet_> lxd
[20:44] <cory_fu> xilet_: The public-address for openstack-dashboard/0 is <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:44] <cory_fu> xilet_: It's listed under [Units]
[20:44] <arosales> xilet_: what I see also
[20:44] <arosales> and exposed is true
[20:44] <arosales> under [Services]
[20:45] <arosales> IP under [Units]
[20:45] <xilet_> Right, the question I had is what does it actually 'do', because it was on that IP before I exposed it
[20:45] <cory_fu> And it has ports 80 and 443 open, so you should be able to go to http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ or https://<IP_ADDRESS>/
[20:45] <xilet_> some of the documentation mentioned doing the firewall rules to make it publically available
[20:45] <cory_fu> xilet_: It was on that IP before, but the firewall rules blocked all external trafic to it
[20:45] <xilet_> ah ok, so you need to manually set up a bridge to the network to acutally make expose work?
[20:46] <cory_fu> You shouldn't.  The lxd provider should manage the bridge for you
[20:46]  * cory_fu hasn't used the lxd provider, though.
[20:47] <magicaltrout> expose has not effect on lxd local
[20:47] <xilet_> Ok, because right now nothing else on the general network (<IP_ADDRESS>/24) can reach that (<IP_ADDRESS>/24) subnet
[20:48] <magicaltrout> but you will have to do some funky bridging on ports for stuff on that box which you want making pubic
[20:48] <cory_fu> magicaltrout: I know that's true with the 1.25 local provider, but I thought it was needed for 2.0 lxd provider
[20:48] <cory_fu> If that's true, it seems like a bug in the lxd provider
[20:49] <magicaltrout> dunno then, I run beta7 and I do some IPtables natting to get local services exposed on the box
[20:49] <magicaltrout> the networking for LXD is on a 10.x subnet
[20:49] <magicaltrout> which isn't available to external processes
[20:50] <magicaltrout> of course i could have just missed something in a release note or similar
[20:50] <cory_fu> magicaltrout: Oh, are you talking about getting lxd provided services to be accesible from outside the machine that it's bootstrapped on?  I was assuming access directly from the machine that did the bootstrap
[20:50] <magicaltrout> ah no
[20:50] <magicaltrout> that is certainly fine
[20:51] <magicaltrout> but if you have a remote box running lxd local, and want that service "exposed"
[20:51] <magicaltrout> you do some iptables natting
[20:51] <magicaltrout> but my understanding is "expose" in juju does nothing in lxd local because there is no firewall unlike AWS etc
[20:51] <xilet_> Yeah, that is what I am trying to accomplish: remote server, everything running contained on that system, wanting direct https access without a ssh tunnel to reach it from other systems
[20:52] <magicaltrout> yeah you'll need to do some natting xilet_
[20:52] <magicaltrout> that said, i just slapped openvpn on the box to make my life easier
[20:53] <magicaltrout> cory_fu: demoed some juju big datastuff to the JPL guys this week, they loved it
[20:53] <xilet> magicaltrout: thanks, I just wanted to make sure I was not missing something obvious.
[20:53] <magicaltrout> not that i'm aware of xilet
[20:53] <magicaltrout> xilet: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/getting-started-with-lxc-on-an-ubuntu-13-04-vps
[20:53] <magicaltrout> that was my reference
[20:54] <magicaltrout> the iptables call down the bottom
[20:54] <magicaltrout> there may be other/better ways
[20:54] <xilet> Thanks it is a start. I was thinking of being really lazy and setting up apache proxies
[20:55] <cory_fu> magicaltrout: Awesome.  :)  Did they have any specific feedback?
[20:56] <magicaltrout> mostly stuff like "this is freaking awesome, look how quickly all that stuff is configured" ;)
[20:56] <magicaltrout> the usual
[20:57] <magicaltrout> i've sent a few of them jcastro 's charmer summit mailshot
[20:57] <magicaltrout> as they're in the same place I'm hoping to drag a few alng
[20:57] <magicaltrout> along
[21:00] <xilet> magicaltrout: worked like a charm, thank you!
[21:00] <cory_fu> That would be awesome
[21:00] <magicaltrout> no problem xilet
[21:00] <magicaltrout> cory_fu: https://github.com/SciSpark/SciSpark they make a lot of use of scispark at JPL
[21:01] <magicaltrout> I'll see if we can get them to build a charm for it, as they stand up scispark, hadoop and ipython/zeppelin stuff
[21:29] <xilet> so one more stupid question, again on 2.0beta7 of openstack, there was never a prompt for setting a user account for horizon,  keystone user-list does show an admin user, if I just reset the password for that one user account is that the best way to gain access or did I miss a default password somewhere?
[21:33] <xilet> Nevermind, did the smart thing and just added a new user.
[22:34] <xilet> Sorry for the set of openstack questions, but if any of you have it working, how do you attach cinder to a lvm group local to the physical machine? The host can see it fine.


[17:50] <mhall119|work> popey: we're working on it
[17:51] <mhall119|work> it'll be better before the 7th


[15:21] <shinobi> TJ / jeremy31: FYI : https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/nFWqRx2rSN/
[19:11] <ricotz> tjaalton, hi :), could you please retry https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-team/+archive/ubuntu/bootstrap/+build/20950474
[20:50] <tjaalton> ricotz: why? the kernel hasn't built yet
[20:53] <ricotz> tjaalton, the amd64 package was finished over 2 hours ago