[04:23] <godlessfather> is there an easy way to migrate precise armel to armhf?
[08:29] <infinity> wookey_: Don't think I've ever tried to build it on a model, but my guess would be "A very long time". :P


[06:03] <phanimahesh> Hi!
[06:04] <phanimahesh> Anyone around who can help with a packaging issue on trusty?
[08:57] <sergico> hi averyone
[08:58] <sergico> looking for some help on accessing the gps device on ubuntu touch running on a nexus4 phone
[08:58] <sergico> cannot find any details on how to access the device at "low level"
[08:58] <sergico> I'd like to got the nmea stream fromt he gps, if this is possible
[12:54] <sergico> hi
[12:54] <sergico> again
[12:55] <sergico> I'm looking for some info on how to interface to the nexus4 gps device running ubntu touch
[12:55] <sergico> cannot find any info on the net
[13:12] <popey> sergico: i believe access to gps is done via qtlocation
[18:10] <wellsb> Can somebody else confirm that mirfbdump is not working with the latest system image?  Since it's no longer recognizing my device as mako, I'm forcing it to get the screenshot, but it's still all black
[18:11] <daker> wellsb: i just saw a black screenshot from popey :)
[18:12] <daker> http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2014-02-23-180207.png
[18:15] <popey> oh
[18:16] <popey> balls
[18:17] <daker> :)
[19:04] <sergiusens> popey, no screnshotting with 4.4 and mako
[19:06] <popey> sergiusens: ☹
[19:07] <sergiusens> popey, wait4mir to support it ;-)
[19:08] <popey> thats a regression
[19:15] <wellsb> Indeed
[21:27] <hakermania> ./j #ubuntu-devel
[21:27] <hakermania> -_-
[22:36] <sergiusens> popey, to be fair; the regression was introduced in october with mir; the screenshot replacement was a hack
[22:37] <popey> sergiusens: fair enough, it's just a balls-ache when filing bugs or promoting the platform if you can't take screenshots
[22:37] <sergiusens> I know
[22:37] <sergiusens> popey, don't ask me; I was on maguro until a month ago :-)
[22:37] <popey> heh
[22:37] <popey> thanks for sorting terminal out, much appreciated.
[22:38] <daker> screenshot this is the minimum :) if we won't tell you need screencasting too ;)
[22:42] <oakes> anyone from canonical here?
[22:43] <popey> oakes: wassup?
[22:43] <popey> oakes: note it's sunday, many people are busy with family or sleeping or something other than sitting on irc though ☻
[22:43] <oakes> i was hoping to find out how long it usually takes to get a desktop app approved for the USC
[22:43] <oakes> mine has been pending review for several weeks
[22:44] <popey> yeah, there's quite a few in the queue
[22:44] <oakes> ok, i just wanted to make sure i didn't submit it to the wrong place or something
[22:44] <popey> which app? I'll look at the queue
[22:44] <sergiusens> daker, I think screencasting is higher prio that screenshot and should be coming soon
[22:45] <popey> feel free to pm if you dont want to say here
[22:45] <oakes> it's called Nightcode
[22:45] <popey> ok, one moment
[22:45] <popey> oakes: there's ~15 before you in the queue.
[22:45] <popey> oakes: I'll mention it to the main guy who does the reviews.
[22:45] <oakes> ok thanks
[22:46] <oakes> it's actually a JAR file (written in clojure) so i suspect it will take longer to package
[22:47] <popey> maybe, the guys who do the packaging have packaged all kinds of things so I wouldn't assume that ㋛
[23:47] <spymastermatt> I was wondering if anyone could help me here
[23:47] <spymastermatt> I am trying to get to grips with conditional layouts
[23:48] <spymastermatt> I have created a set of conditional layouts for the main application
[23:48] <spymastermatt> but when I put in a component which itself has conditional layouts
[23:49] <spymastermatt> the component's layouts will not work and any children of the component are not displayed
[23:51] <spymastermatt> anyone?
[23:58] <nik90> spymastermatt: you cannot do that
[23:58] <spymastermatt> oh
[23:58] <spymastermatt> if it's not a stupid question: why?
[23:59] <nik90> spymastermatt: It is stated in the conditional API docs that you cannot insert a conditional layout inside another conditional layout.
[23:59] <nik90> spymastermatt: not sure why there is this limitation. I guess for that you need to talk to a SDK dev


[14:04] <YokoZar> Is it sheer coincidence that no one has sent an email to the ayatana mailing list in 2 weeks?
[14:04] <YokoZar> or is it broken somehow?
[14:32] <mac_v> YokoZar: i guess we have run out of stuff to complain about ;)
[14:33] <SiDi> meh
[14:33] <SiDi> damn netsplit
[14:33] <SiDi> i was alone in bear.freenode.net T_T
[16:35] <aboSamoor> I installed kubuntu and it over wrote the osd notification for the brightness ! After removing kubuntu i still can not restore the osd one !


[01:42] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[02:47] <Eickmeyer> !ru
[02:48] <webchat77> hello all
[02:48] <webchat77> hallo?
[07:15] <jelly> hmm, new intel microcode
[18:10] <Gallomimia> am i here? yes i'm here
[18:11] <ogra> looks like you are here
[18:11] <Gallomimia> odd that....
[18:11] <Gallomimia> ..... are you here too?
[18:12] <ogra> i do pretend that at times ...


[00:11] <valorie> arraybolt3: \o/
[00:11]  * valorie has been wanting this for sooo long
[01:21]  * mamarley grumbles loudly at the latest version of "gnupg" forcing him to install "postfix" on a bunch of client systems.
[09:19] <sgmoore> arraybolt3: https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/kubuntu
[14:57] <tsimonq2> mamarley: Which version of (K)ubuntu?
[14:57] <tsimonq2> RikMills, sgmoore, arraybolt3: Could we please take the time to evaluate what is in the Kubuntu seed sometime over the next two weeks?
[14:58] <tsimonq2> The Technical Board is questioning the amount of packages are in there, vorlon raised cvs as an example.
[14:58] <tsimonq2> I'm happy to take the heat for us if there is justification for keeping packages in there.
[15:00] <RikMills> tsimonq2: I don't se cvs in there
[15:02] <RikMills> *see
[15:03] <tsimonq2> RikMills: https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/packagesets/noble/kubuntu is what they were looking at.
[15:05] <RikMills> tsimonq2: it is not in https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/kubuntu/tree/supported
[15:05] <tsimonq2> RikMills: When's the last time we've asked the DMB to update the packageset? :)
[15:06] <tsimonq2> There *was* discussion in the TB meeting about that process being unclear.
[15:06] <RikMills> so if it is getting pulled in by something else, that is a release team script issue
[15:06] <tsimonq2> Strong +1, just making sure *our* ducks are in a row before I tell them their ducks are not. :)
[15:06] <RikMills> tsimonq2: I have been meaning to do that for a while
[15:08] <sgmoore> I am brand new to seeds and really don't have a clue. I really would like to know the proper process though.
[15:08] <RikMills> thing is, as I have been MOTU and main uploader, I have been lazy about it
[15:08] <RikMills> since I gan upload anything in universe without the kubuntu set matching
[15:08] <RikMills> *can
[15:09] <tsimonq2> RikMills: I totally understand that, too :)
[15:11] <RikMills> tsimonq2: sgmoore: so a full review of the kubuntu seed whould be a good task for 24.04. to keep everyone happy
[15:11] <RikMills> sgmoore: did you have motu at one point?
[15:13] <sgmoore> I have not, was working on it when things exploded.
[15:14] <sgmoore> I plan on fixing that of course
[15:16] <RikMills> sgmoore: good. package sets are fine, but they never get updated often enough. I think it is hugely important for flavours to have a MOTU or even core dev active
[15:16] <RikMills> tsimonq2: is a great example
[15:16] <sgmoore> Of course
[15:19] <tsimonq2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2024-February/002888.html is worth referencing
[15:19] <sgmoore> well to be fair doesn't cervisia depend on cvs? And it is still an active application AFAIK
[15:20] <tsimonq2> That is fair, yes. Just need to make sure it's documented as such. :)
[15:20] <sgmoore> ack
[15:21] <tsimonq2> Thanks for your input everyone :) arraybolt3 or anyone else, let us know if you have thoughts!
[15:22] <tsimonq2> sgmoore: Oh, and re: your earlier question about proper process...
[15:23] <tsimonq2> Usually it goes, add it to the seed, update your metapackage, then ask the DMB to poke the packageset.
[15:23] <tsimonq2> I know in the past the packageset part was done automagically, but I believe the process is being evaluated at this point.
[15:23] <sgmoore> kool, refresh my memory... DMB?
[15:23] <tsimonq2> Developer Membership Board :)
[15:24] <sgmoore> thanks lol
[15:24] <tsimonq2> No worries! There is `!dmb-ping` in #ubuntu-devel for emergencies, otherwise the best way to contact the DMB is via the devel-permissions list.
[15:24] <sgmoore> I was looking at the seed ( desktop ) and wondering why we install thunderbird and not KDE's lovely kmail?!?!
[15:24] <tsimonq2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/devel-permissions
[15:26] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[15:26] <RikMills> tsimonq2: there is a update-seed script that look at a complete clone of all the frameworks, plasma, and gear repos and adds them to the seed
[15:26] <RikMills> *looks
[15:27] <RikMills> that is where: https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/kubuntu/tree/supported#n228
[15:27] <RikMills> comes from
[15:27] <tsimonq2> Oh wow, nice!
[15:28] <tsimonq2> BluesKaj: Heya :)
[15:28] <RikMills> I think it is still in bzr somewhere. I will find it
[15:28] <sgmoore> oh neato
[15:28] <BluesKaj> hey tsimonq2
[15:30] <RikMills> BluesKaj: how are you doing? It is a lomg time since we talked
[15:32] <BluesKaj> I'm doing ok, getting old and creaky but I'm managing , how about you, RikMills?
[15:35] <tsimonq2> sgmoore: Thunderbird vs KMail> I don't know if there is a reason, although I'm biased because I use Thunderbird and have never gotten KMail to work quite right for me. :)
[15:35] <tsimonq2> For your own context, we had a discussion within Lubuntu a few years ago about our default web browser.
[15:35] <RikMills> BluesKaj: BluesKaj I don't thing I am as old as you but I think I am getting to that of feeling, so I and definitely understand
[15:36] <RikMills> *donk think
[15:36] <tsimonq2> sgmoore: We would be shipping Falkon by default, fullstop, if we could count on the underlying Chromium library to be updated frequently. We ship Firefox solely because it delegates the responsibility of those security concerns to folks at Mozilla and Canonical. I could see the conversation about KMail being similar.
[15:37] <sgmoore> tsimonq2: So what should be in the packageset exactly KDE packages plus dependencies or ?
[15:38] <BluesKaj> tsimonq2, I used kmail til 2008 then it got too complex for me to even set up so I went with gmail \
[15:38] <sgmoore> Ah, I see, valid point... but I find it sad the (K) buntu doesn't ship a KDE application by default.
[15:38] <tsimonq2> sgmoore: In my opinion (I'd be curious to see if RikMills concurs), all of KDE should be in supported, what we ship should be in our main desktop seed, anything extra shouldn't be in supported or desktop. :)
[15:39] <sgmoore> I use and love the whole kontact suite of apps. It has come a long way.
[15:39] <tsimonq2> I agree, they're a great idea and I love the UX, just comes down to functionality, for me personally. :)
[15:41] <sgmoore> Now with firefox ( browser default ) I can totally agree with, browsers and their security nightmares is best left with a much better paid Canonical team.
[15:42] <tsimonq2> I don't think Kubuntu officially has an opinion on KMail vs Thunderbird, so you are welcome to prepare justification. :)
[15:42] <sgmoore> But I honesly have not seen an enormous amount of kmail CVEs. I don't see an issue with supporting it.
[15:43] <sgmoore> Is this something I bring to KC or ?
[15:45] <RikMills> kmail depends on qtwebenine, which is very har to update in a sable release
[15:45] <RikMills> *hard
[15:46] <sgmoore> Ah, valid point
[15:46] <sgmoore> that is a bit beastly isn't it.
[15:46] <RikMills> indeed
[15:46] <sgmoore> and plenty of CVEs
[15:46] <sgmoore> I don't, I have to backport a few for Debian LTS lol
[15:47] <sgmoore> I know rather
[15:47] <sgmoore> and had, fat fingers.
[15:47] <RikMills> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/02/thunderbird-snap-in-ubuntu-24-04
[15:47] <tsimonq2> We could consider doing those security updates, it's not out of the question. That being said, part of the discussion around Firefox vs Falkon was, would our time be better spent on something else?
[15:47] <RikMills> is that true tsimonq2
[15:47] <RikMills> ?
[15:48] <tsimonq2> RikMills: My default answer is "no, that isn't true" for OMG! Ubuntu! :P
[15:48] <tsimonq2> That being said, I know there are efforts in this direction.
[15:48] <tsimonq2> I have personally been using the Thunderbird snap on my production machine for months now, with zero issue.
[15:48] <RikMills> it would make sense
[15:51] <tsimonq2> For the record, today is my last full day of this week. I'll be in a car for 8 hours tomorrow en route to $dayjob headquarters.
[15:52] <sgmoore> So with all of this said ... https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/kubuntu/tree/supported#n228 wouldn't really be a true set of packages we support in LTS because we don't ship them all on the seed. Right? Or am I mistaken and we do have to worry about CVEs for the next 3 years on kmail ? Or webengine?
[15:52] <tsimonq2> I will be available via phone for emergencies, and I do have an incredibly bad habit of Talk to Texans while driving... :P
[15:53] <tsimonq2> sgmoore: The answer to your question is a more de facto one (as opposed to de juris), meaning, unofficially, yes flavors should put their best effort into CVE patches, but it falls under "it's in Universe, so there is no obligation."
[15:54] <tsimonq2> In recent history, I *think* me and arraybolt3 have been the only ones to do community security updates. I really hope I'm wrong on that.
[15:54] <tsimonq2> And of course, Ubuntu Pro does ship some security updates for packages in Universe, on customer request. I have contacts there ifneedbe :)
[15:54] <RikMills> sgmoore: the question of what the supported seed means is a little unclear. Is it packages that we want to support for updates/patches, or is it ones that we want o maintains uplod rights to
[15:54] <sgmoore> Ok, well I have done several for Debian LTS, so I will certainly do them here.
[15:55] <sgmoore> Well, I would think we would want to support the packages we upload :)
[15:56] <tsimonq2> We should be careful in our messaging, because if we tell the TB "hey, these packages are in supported just because we want to have upload access to them," even if that was the truth at some point, we'll get met with "uhhhh.... wat??" :)
[15:57] <tsimonq2> I would say that going forward, supported packages should reflect only the packages we update as a flavor every cycle. Gear, Frameworks, Plasma, and anything else we would like to actually support.
[15:57] <tsimonq2> I'm not opposed to keeping supported as it is, iff we can justify it.
[15:58] <sgmoore> Which brings in the bug triage mess we have in launchpad, Which is personally something high priority to fix, with little support from either kde or launchpad teams it seems.
[15:58] <tsimonq2> Don't worry, I'm working on that.
[15:58] <tsimonq2> Quite a bit of "unseen" work on that front has been happening. ;)
[15:59] <sgmoore> tsimonq2: Oh yeah? I got an update on the bug saying, none of us were around when the plugin was made and we don't have the resources to update it.
[15:59] <sgmoore> this cycle at least.
[15:59] <tsimonq2> sgmoore: From Ben, right?
[15:59] <tsimonq2> Or are you saying from the LP team?
[15:59] <sgmoore> No, launchpad devs
[15:59] <tsimonq2> Cool, have a link?
[15:59] <RikMills> tsimonq2: we have MOTU, and if we can include you a core-dev so the need have all things you want to be able to upload is not such an issue now
[16:00] <tsimonq2> RikMills: Given that I now have $dayjob backing for this effort, yes you can absolutely include me. :)
[16:00] <tsimonq2> I know, very well, that this is not the way it used to be, of course.
[16:01] <RikMills> yeah, we used to have to add a lot to the seeds to be able to work
[16:01] <sgmoore> tsimonq2: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/2052788
[16:01] -ubottu:#kubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2052788 in Launchpad itself "launchpadplugin is outdated and doesn't work with modern versions of Bugzilla" [Undecided, Incomplete]
[16:02] <RikMills> wow. A long time since I even tried to if that worked
[16:03] <RikMills> *see if
[16:03] <sgmoore> So I made this to track our plasma bugs... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-desktop/+bug/2053125
[16:03] -ubottu:#kubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2053125 in Plasma 5.27 "Tracking 5.27 Plasma Bugs" [High, Triaged]
[16:04] <sgmoore> I hand imported bugs from bugs.kde.org with Plasma and Kubuntu in them.
[16:05] <sgmoore> It still needs refinment. But at least it is one place I can go through each component and triage bugs.
[16:05] <tsimonq2> sgmoore: I would highly suggest reaching out to bdmurray in #ubuntu-devel to see if he has any thoughts on this. After all, he is "Ubuntu's Bug Master" ;)
[16:05] <sgmoore> Yeah, I remember him :) And Nate on the KDE side.
[16:06] <tsimonq2> Yes of course :D
[16:37] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: LocutusofBorg also did some community CVE updates... via VBox microreleases.
[16:37] <arraybolt3> As for upload permissions, I'm happy to help with evaluating the seed.
[16:38] <arraybolt3> And also, I have MOTU privileges, so sgmoore, et. al.: if something comes up where you need to do an upload and both Rik and Simon have vanished, I can help out too.
[16:39] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: I sometimes forget how much LoB does, I should stop that :D
[16:39] <tsimonq2> If anyone wants a direct contact on the security team, I'm happy to make that connection.
[17:01] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: QtWebEngine seems like one of those things that could be seriously helpful and is instead just a security mess. I wonder if at some point (maybe for a future cycle, maybe for this one if we're ambitious) we could figure out a plan that would allow us to keep it constantly updated?
[17:02] <arraybolt3> I don't think an MRE would work because of how the upstream Qt release cycle works, but something along those lines...
[17:38] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: We should have a chat with the Security Team about this. :)
[17:40] <arraybolt3> right now I don't think we even have access to the latest QtWebEngine security patches because Qt5 has been left behind for so long...
[17:41] <arraybolt3> and given the amount of time it takes for Plasma to update to the latest megarelease of Qt (if the Plasma 6 transition was any indicator), that would be a "hole" we'd be left with an awful lot of the time.
[17:43] <arraybolt3> oh? maybe not though, https://code.qt.io/cgit/qt/qtwebengine.git/log/?h=5.15.16
[17:48] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: if you want to get in touch with the Security Team over it, that would be great. I would love if we could regularly keep QtWebEngine up to date, and due to Qt's policies it looks like we may be able to regularly security patch even Qt5's WebEngine.
[17:55] <arraybolt3> holy smoke QtWebEngine requires Python2 to build :exploding_head: I really hope these docs are just out of date.
[19:10] <sgmoore> arraybolt3: Thank you
[19:11] <sgmoore> While I certainy do intend on fixng my MOTU. I would rather my time be spent on a spectactular LTS release right now.
[19:12] <sgmoore> And yeah, there was a QT5 release, it is in neon already, ubuntu/debian is behind.
[19:24] <sgmoore> Though to be fair, it was fairly recent and the current transition was in place.
[20:00] <sgmoore> arraybolt3: Can I add you as a point of contact for LTS re-qualification?
[20:17] <arraybolt3> sgmoore: I'm not sure, I don't have a very deep understanding of Kubuntu's internals (kubuntu-automation mainly) and am not sure how good of a job I'd do at being a point of contact.
[20:21] <sgmoore> Okay, no worries.
[20:33] <Eickmeyer> sgmoore: I was toying with the contact idea, but decided against it. But keep this in mind for resource awareness and collaboration needs: 1) I'm a MOTU. 2) Ubuntu Studio shares the Plasma DE. 3) Ubuntu Studio seeds some KDE packages that Kubuntu doesn't seed, such as digiKam and Kdenlive. 3) Edubuntu seeds a TON of KDE Educational applications.
[20:33] <Eickmeyer> With that, Ubuntu Studio's health, and to a lesser extent, Edubuntu's, directly depends on Kubuntu.
[20:34] <Eickmeyer> So, there's some overlap and I believe tsimonq2 and I will be working closely with you.
[20:42] <sgmoore> Wonderful :)
[20:44] <sgmoore> THey were happy with my list, I just thought the more the merrier. All is well.


[08:11] <vicious1> anyone awake?
[08:37] <stickupkid> vicious1, people are around...
[08:38] <stickupkid> achilleasa, CR -> https://github.com/juju/names/pull/107
[09:23] <stickupkid> achilleasa, CR -> https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/12058
[09:24] <magicaltrout> morning all if someone is around with the permission to do so can you get me re-added to the bigdata-charmers group https://launchpad.net/~spicule
[09:25] <magicaltrout> my membership lapsed and now Mark wants some stuff fixing
[09:40] <jamespage> anyone know whether a leader-settings-changed hook execution gets bumped to the top of the execution queue on minions?
[09:43] <stickupkid> manadart, achilleasa ^ any idea, I can go look as well...
[09:43] <stickupkid> magicaltrout, unfortunately not, I'll bring it up in our standup though
[10:03] <magicaltrout> thanks!
[10:23] <stickupkid> jamespages, I don't think anything changes the order of a set of hooks. Is there a bug?
[11:31] <achilleasa> can I get a quick CR on https://github.com/go-amz/amz/pull/77?
[12:04] <manadart> stickupkid: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/12059
[13:35] <stickupkid> manadart, https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/12060
[13:39] <manadart> magicaltrout: Should be good to go now.
[14:02] <stickupkid> anyone see this failure: FAIL: uniter_test.go:268: UniterSuite.TestUniterInstallHook
[14:02] <stickupkid> looks like a race https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fh7D5htKvQ/
[14:04] <magicaltrout> all good thanks manadart
[14:07] <achilleasa> stickupkid: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/12061 (adds the missing filter and removes that defer block)
[14:24] <stickupkid> achilleasa, whilst you wait https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/12060
[14:52] <hml> stickupkid: achilleasa: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/12062  please
[15:03] <stickupkid> hml, ta
[15:03] <stickupkid> achilleasa, ta, hml, on it
[15:14] <hml> stickupkid: do i owe you any reviews?
[15:15] <stickupkid> hml, not atm, waiting for 12060 to land, then you can review my other patch again
[15:15] <stickupkid> hml, TL;DR soon'ish
[15:16] <magicaltrout> hey folks https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HGdqfjF9mv/ I've updated the bigtop charms and tried deploying them and its throwing this error
[15:16] <magicaltrout> anyone got any ideas as to whats seemingly up with layer basic on xenial?
[15:27] <magicaltrout> i'm not sure why its trying to install setuptools>=42 when wheelhouse.txt seems to pin it at < 42
[16:00] <magicaltrout> /var/lib/juju/agents/unit-namenode-5/.venv/bin/python3 -m pip install --ignore-installed --no-user --prefix /tmp/pip-build-env-t05ihjrt --no-warn-script-location --no-binary :none: --only-binary :none: --no-index --find-links wheelhouse setuptools
[16:00] <magicaltrout> that for example, works
[16:00] <magicaltrout> but my endless grepping doesn't help me figure out where setuptools > 42 is coming from


[00:08] <debrisrat> hi !
[00:08] <debrisrat> sorry
[00:09] <debrisrat> how can i Uninstall Macbuntu ?
[00:19] <shadrach> i'm having problems with my wireless connectivity. It used to work but when I upgraded it stopped working.  I am currently on 11.10 I am trying to connect to a router running WPA-PSK encryption. Can anyone help?
[00:21] <shadrach> I am able to connect to a non encrypted network with no problems
[00:38] <romeyro_lpt> phunyguy: how you doing ? long time no see
[00:45] <cablop> i got tired of unity
[00:45] <cablop> so i want to switch to KDE
[00:45] <shadrach2> i'm having problems with my wireless connectivity. It used to work but when I upgraded it stopped working.  I am currently on 11.10 I am trying to connect to a router running WPA-PSK encryption. Can anyone help?
[00:45] <cablop> how can i switch to KDE without converting the whole thing in kubuntu?
[00:46] <amason_> shadrach2: can you provide us with more information ?
[00:46] <amason_> cablop: what do you mean by converting ?
[00:47] <shadrach2> amason_:  what can I give you?
[00:47] <cablop> i tried before... so i got this issue, each thing has its own login manager, gdm or kdm... if you start a kde session, then you cannot start another user session in the computer if the default is gdm.... same thing if you set kdm, but another user uses unity or gnome, onvce they do, no way to swith or start anew user session...
[00:48] <cablop> i installed kde-desktop or something like that, and that thing changed me the colors of login the name of login, everything, even the name on the grub!
[00:48] <amason_> shadrach2: me specifically nothing, but the if you provide enough information to the channel they may be able to help. I would start with at least your version of kubuntu, kernel, wifi chipset, any messages in kern.log
[00:49] <shadrach2> amason_: ok thanks i'll get that info and post it
[00:51] <cablop> so how to install kde to have it almost complete, but not changing the name or other things of my desktop?
[01:10] <amason_> cablop: well apt-get install kubuntu desktop just adds the kubuntu desktop to your ubuntu install
[01:11] <cablop> amason_: but it should change the grub colors and the linux name to kubuntu, right?
[01:11] <amason_> your hostname will be the same as it currently is
[01:11] <amason_> it will change the bootsplash
[01:12] <amason_> you can keep gdm/ldm as your greeter
[01:12] <amason_> if you wish
[01:13] <amason_> i don't know that it will change the grub colours
[01:56] <caesar_> this just started happening today when i click on FB friends..
[01:56] <caesar_> http://i44.tinypic.com/wvsq2u.png
[01:57] <kala_> hola
[01:57] <kala_> hello
[02:12] <aperson> I have a problem where after a while, entries in the 'application launcher menu' are unresponsive
[02:12] <aperson> and I have to use krunner to start apps
[02:12] <aperson> the only way I know to fix this is by restarting kdm
[02:13] <aperson> anyone experience this/have ideas?
[02:13] <aperson> I'm on 4.7.3, for what it's worth
[02:14]  * szal doesn't have that
[03:17] <amason_> aperson: i get that from time to time but only seems to be on systems which use a proprietary video driver
[03:17] <Chamaeleo> Hello! Is there anyone I might ask about troubles with a fresh kubuntu install on a Macbook?
[03:17] <amason_> you don't need to ask to ask.. you can just ask your question
[03:17] <amason_> and if anyone knows they will help
[03:19] <Chamaeleo> Sorry, new to the channel and unsure of etiquette. I just finished a fresh install of Kubuntu 10.10 on my Macbook (rev 3,1). Everything seems to be working pretty well, except my trackpad. I've tried adjusting the settings for the trackpad, but it works only sporadically and very sluggishly. Are there other drivers or configuration that I need to see to?
[03:27] <amason_> 10.10 ?
[03:27] <amason_> or 11.10 ?
[03:46] <Chamaeleo> 10.10, the 64bit version. On the Ubuntu page, it was listed as the most recent version compatible with my Mac.
[03:49] <Chamaeleo> Correction - on very low sensitivity, it works sluggishly if I keep the whole pad of my finger on the touchpad (as opposed to the tip). If I raise or lower the sensitivity, I get no functionality at all.
[03:53] <seanmc98> hello
[03:54] <seanmc98> how do i install different themes in kubuntu
[05:10] <Nickmh> Hi All
[05:11] <Nickmh> are there any printer gurus awake?
[05:11] <Resistance> define "printer gurus"
[05:12] <Resistance> because printers in Ubuntu/Kubuntu are horridly straightforward
[05:12] <Resistance> unless of course there isnt a linux print driver for the printer
[05:12] <Nickmh> heh :) A Printer Guru is anyone that can get a brother hl4570cdw working :)
[05:12] <Resistance> ;P
[05:13] <Nickmh> Prepare to be annointed :)
[05:13] <Resistance> i'm not the guru ;P
[05:13] <Resistance> in fact
[05:13] <Resistance> i dont use brother printers
[05:13] <Nickmh> I've installed the .deb package - Lovely,  but the swine driver is not appearing in the Drivers list?
[05:13] <Resistance> for the sole reason i have access to state-owned laser printers from hell ;P
[05:14] <Resistance> Nickmh, did you perhaps modprobe the driver?  or perhaps restart with the printer connected to the system?
[05:14] <Resistance> (if that's how they connect)
[05:15] <Nickmh> Is my imagination allowed to run riot with "modprovbe"?
[05:15] <Resistance> not really
[05:15] <Nickmh> "modprobe" sorry :)
[05:15] <Resistance> there's specific ones, but i'm unsure of what you'd be using with modprobe
[05:15] <Resistance> sec, i must run a google
[05:15] <Resistance> ;P
[05:17] <Resistance> out of curiosity
[05:17] <Resistance> which one of the provided .debs did you use?
[05:17] <Resistance> (see, google pwns :P)
[05:18] <Resistance> (they have two for your model)
[05:18] <Nickmh> hl4570cdwcupswrapper-1.1.1-5.i386.deb3
[05:19] <Nickmh> forget the 3, my typo
[05:19] <Resistance> hmm
[05:19] <Resistance> well, since i'm going to nuke the OS on this system anyways...
[05:20]  * Resistance installs the .deb for modprobe search purposes
[05:22] <Resistance> hmm
[05:23] <Resistance> just to ask... where'd you get the .deb from?
[05:23] <Nickmh> Brother USA
[05:23] <Resistance> because the .deb i got from brother (the manufacturer) directly isnt named that
[05:23] <Nickmh> When I go through the Standard settings GUI, the printer appears in the list, I can select it, but then I don't get to the choose the drivers from a list afterwards
[05:23] <Resistance> you dont really need to iirc :/
[05:23] <Resistance> at least not normally
[05:23] <Nickmh> AAAhhhh,  you may be onto something
[05:24] <Resistance> if the system doesnt detect a driver, it wont usually ask, is what i've experienced
[05:24] <Resistance> and on another note http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/download_prn.html#HL-4570CDW%20/%20HL-4570CDWT
[05:24] <Resistance> that's what i'm using to get the driver
[05:24] <Nickmh> Yeh, I used the cupswrapper
[05:24] <Resistance> ok sec
[05:25]  * Resistance installs
[05:25] <Resistance> eww
[05:25] <Resistance> lintian errors... </packager jargon>
[05:26] <Resistance> you may just need to reboot
[05:26] <Resistance> and then plug in the printer
[05:26] <Resistance> and hope it works
[05:27] <Resistance> of course, if the debs are broken, its irrelevant ;P
[05:27] <Nickmh> it's on the network.  Was it bad not mentioning that?
[05:27] <Resistance> (usually i'd just build the driver from source)
[05:27] <Resistance> and yes that might have something to do with it
[05:27] <Resistance> you should always mention that ;P
[05:27] <Resistance> did you check to see if the linux drivers allow network-printing?
[05:27] <Nickmh> Sorry.  So used to doing eveyrthing over the network,  hadly have anything plugged into this box
[05:28]  * Resistance knows some printers which have network print support in WIndows, but fail to make it work in Linux
[05:28] <Nickmh> In windo$ they do
[05:28] <Nickmh> AAhhh,  that would make sense
[05:28] <Resistance> but yeah you might consider rebooting
[05:29] <Resistance> and then going through the "Add a printer" thing again
[05:29] <Resistance> but fwiw, if its installed, cupswrapper should work
[05:29] <Nickmh> I can get Web GUI to connect.  http://localhost:631 etc Well, that's what it's telling me it's doing. But I can't get the driver selection to appear.
[05:30] <Nickmh> HHHmmm  I might just have to kep fighting with it.  try a few things
[05:31] <Resistance> it might not need the driver selection, is what i said
[05:31] <Resistance> i've set up CUPS network prints which seem to work without selecting a driver
[05:32] <Resistance> but that's just my system...
[05:32]  * Resistance has some nasty hacks and modifications on his system
[05:33] <Nickmh> I'm also seriously new to Linux.  Hence Ubuntu.  Love it.    OK.  Lets see what damage we can do from here :)
[05:38] <Resistance> you probably wont need to modprobe if you're using CUPS ;p
[05:38] <Nickmh> love the idea of modprobe 'ing something though.  Soundfs a bit private though LOL
[05:39] <Resistance> :P
[05:40] <bonezlaptop> >>.ot//
[05:41] <bonezlaptop> :">}OOP/..
[06:02] <Nickmh> Resistance.  Am I allowed to cjheat and talk to it through Samba :)  Cause that worked.  Thanks for your help
[06:11]  * phiscribe cries
[06:12] <phiscribe> i foobared my kubuntu instal
[06:16] <Shaan7> phiscribe: what does that mean?
[06:29] <phiscribe> Shaan7 sorry i was fiddling with xorg.conf and well, foobared it, ( to me it means the same German word furchtbar, which means awful and terrible.)
[06:29] <Shaan7> aw, its xorg.conf again :/
[06:29] <phiscribe> i can fix it, just need to do it, just whining to the masses, relives stress
[07:58] <costin-ramona> hi
[10:36] <Aprendiz> hi all
[10:36] <vprints> hi
[10:38] <Aprendiz> I have problems with share folders
[10:39] <Aprendiz> I have configured with total control for everyone but not works
[10:39] <Aprendiz> for writing
[10:40] <vprints> SMB share ?
[10:40] <vprints> and the share works (others can see files)
[10:40] <vprints> but others cannot write to files?
[10:43] <Aprendiz> yes
[10:44] <Aprendiz> I have kubunti 11.10 64 bits and I have several problems, anyone have experience with 64 bits?
[11:04] <Aprendiz> any idea?
[11:09] <vprints> mabe it is mounted as read-only?
[11:11] <UnrealPancake> Hello. I Have a 64 bit computer with Windows 7 and Ubuntu Dual Booted. Would It be a bad Idea to add Kubuntu as well?
[11:11] <UnrealPancake> Laptop*
[11:15] <Aprendiz> vprints: I have configured in the folder total control for every one
[11:16] <UnrealPancake> ?
[11:18] <vaigha> p
[11:32] <george> hello. I'm affect by this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/896533 Any ideas?
[11:45] <vprints> Aprendiz: i mean on the client side
[11:45] <vprints> but i do not know much about network shares
[11:46] <Aprendiz> vprints: and sound? I have problems too next an update, really, kubuntu doesn't work very good for me :(
[11:53] <andomeda> hello
[11:53] <Lynoure> hi
[11:59] <Aprendiz> vprints: is your user in audio group?
[12:14] <Aprendiz> anybody can help me with a problem with the sound?
[12:26] <vprints> Aprendiz: you should describe your issue more
[12:33] <Timewarper>  whats the best data recovery software (undelete) for linux?
[13:08] <new2net> Timewarper: clonezilla
[14:14] <ubuntu> Hello everyone
[14:15] <ubuntu> I'm testing out a Toshiba with a Nvidia card, and it looks to me that it doesn-t use Optimus
[14:15] <ubuntu> however, in the shop when i tried it with Win7, it seemed to use Optimus
[14:16] <ubuntu> How do i figure out what-s going on at the hardware/driver level?
[14:17] <vprints> i think you should first research what driver / OS / HW  combinations support optimus at all
[14:18] <ubuntu> "lspci | grep VGA"    returns only         "01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Device 0dec (rev a1)"       . No intel in sight
[14:18] <vprints> at least the current official state
[14:18] <vprints> BIOS settings could also theoretically be useful to look at
[14:18] <ubuntu> rgr
[14:19] <ubuntu> given lspci output, what do you think?
[14:20] <vprints> BIOS might nhave one of the cards disabled
[14:20] <ubuntu> that would be awesome!
[14:20] <vprints> :P
[14:20] <vprints> but i'm not sure optimus is currently supported for linux
[14:20] <vprints> it might be
[14:20] <vprints> but might not
[14:21] <vprints> so research first
[14:21] <ubuntu> thats what i believe too, exception for bumblebee proj
[14:22] <ubuntu> but if it doesnt work, ill trade with my father and get his inferior laptop :/
[14:24] <vprints> well, just use the more powerful VGA card then
[14:24] <vprints> not the biggest worry i think
[14:24] <ubuntu> ty for the help vprints
[14:25] <ubuntu> what im looking for though is a link or hint in the right direction to figure out how to see what linux is using
[14:26] <ubuntu> i know of lspci, are there other commands i should look into?
[14:30] <Antisoche> ubuntu: Xorg.log ?
[14:31] <ubuntu> @Antisoche: Xorg.0.log?
[14:31] <Antisoche> Most likely
[14:33] <Antisoche> Xorg generates a logfile for each display instance.  '0' is the default display, but there's also 'failsafe' and '1', '2', etc, depending on the number of servers you run.
[14:39] <ubuntu> alot to process heh. TY!
[14:50] <ubuntu> no Intel either. "Warning, couldn't open module nvidia" "Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nouveau_drv.so" "Warning, couldn't open module nv"
[14:50] <ubuntu> didnt know there were 3 drivers for nvidia
[14:50] <ubuntu> it seems to be using nouveau
[15:02] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[15:20] <daviddoria> When I click on the little "updates" icon in the panel and then try to install updates, it says I don't have permission. Shouldn't I have permission to do something that the system pops up in the tray and asks me to do? I can run it with gksu no problem, but that seems like an awkward thing to have to do
[15:24] <daviddoria> is there a way to move a panel to my second monitor?
[15:24] <BluesKaj> daviddoria, use kdesudo on kde , and why not just sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade in the konsole/terminal
[15:25] <daviddoria> BluesKaj, sure, I can do that, but why would it pop up an icon asking me to do something and then not give me permission to do it? that seems odd
[15:27] <BluesKaj> package managers always ask for pw either when you launch or when an app is chosen to install, muon asks for it right at launch for some reason.
[15:28] <daviddoria> BluesKaj, asking for a password would be fine. However, it doesn't ask, it just wont let me do anything
[15:28] <BluesKaj> daviddoria, muon ?
[15:28] <Ddpbf> daviddoria: what did you start muon software center or muon package manager?
[15:28] <Ddpbf> (USC like, or synaptick like)
[15:28] <daviddoria> Ddpbf, unfortunately I closed it so I'm not sure which it was. It was a yellow icon in the panel
[15:29] <Ddpbf> ok type this
[15:29] <Ddpbf> afirst alt+f2
[15:29] <daviddoria> i just started muon package manager
[15:29] <genii-around> Is polkit-kde-1 installed?
[15:29] <Ddpbf> then in liitle box kdesudo muon
[15:29] <daviddoria> i marked some packages to upgrade, then when i click "apply changes" it says "this operation cannot continue since proper authorization was not provided"
[15:30] <daviddoria> genii-around, no
[15:31] <daviddoria> genii-around, should i install it
[15:31] <Ddpbf> daviddoria: start manager with root privilegies
[15:31] <daviddoria> Ddpbf, yea it works fine if started with kdesudo
[15:31] <Ddpbf> you started package manager
[15:31] <ubuntu> it should ask you for your password
[15:31] <genii-around> daviddoria: There's currently a known bug where package manager will not prompt for password if that package is not installed, so yes
[15:33] <Ddpbf> daviddoria: so it is solution now install that package :)
[15:33] <phoenix_firebrd> what should i do to enable vaapi for gma x4500 ?
[15:33] <genii-around> ( the change will not take effect until a logoff-logon cycle)
[15:34] <daviddoria> ok thanks
[15:34] <daviddoria> round 2: is there a way to move a panel to my second monitor? In gnome I just alt+drag it, but that doesn't seem to work here
[15:36] <ubuntu> thank you guys for the help
[15:37] <daviddoria> ok, thanks for the input all
[15:46] <BluesKaj> BBL, stuff to do
[15:57] <Eruaran> Does anybody know how to fix the problem with the clock on the panel not showing 12 hour (AM/PM) time?
[15:57] <Eruaran> I've installed Kubuntu 11.10 on several machines now and this problem appears on every system.
[15:57] <Eruaran> I can't believe no one else is having this problem.
[16:04] <Ddpbf> Eruaran: you could adjust time in system settings
[16:04] <Eruaran> I have done this
[16:04] <Ddpbf> format of it also
[16:04] <Eruaran> Everything is set correctly
[16:04] <Eruaran> It should be displaying 12 hour AM/PM time
[16:05] <Eruaran> It does not
[16:05] <Eruaran> And there is no way to make it do so
[16:05] <Eruaran> EVERY install of Kubuntu 11.10 does this
[16:05] <Eruaran> on the live CD, it displays the correct time format
[16:05] <Eruaran> But when you install it, you get the 24 hour time problem
[16:05] <Eruaran> Its very annoying
[16:05] <Ddpbf> errr 24 hour is more correct acctuall
[16:06] <Ddpbf> it is not error
[16:06]  * Eruaran sighs
[16:06] <Ddpbf> if you dont like it you could change it
[16:06] <Eruaran> I cannot change it
[16:06] <Eruaran> I've said that already
[16:06] <Eruaran> It seems no one is listening
[16:06] <Eruaran> This is a bug
[16:09] <Ddpbf> http://www.imagebam.com/image/61da5591680308
[16:09] <Ddpbf> did you try this?
[16:09] <genii-around> Eruaran: System Settings... Common Appearance and Behaviour... Locale... Countr/Region and Language... Date and time tab on right... set time Format to: pH:MM:SS AMPM
[16:10] <Ddpbf> genii-around: i posted him link to the picture :)
[16:10]  * genii-around slides Ddpbf a coffee
[16:10] <Ddpbf> thanks man i appreciate it
[16:11]  * genii-around makes more coffee
[16:11]  * Ddpbf is cofee adict
[16:11]  * Peace- too much coffee is bad
[16:12] <Ddpbf> Peace-: Balzac drunk 100 cofees per day
[16:12]  * Peace- thinks balzac is sick
[16:12] <Ddpbf> and he staied a live :)
[16:12]  * Eruaran sighs
[16:12] <Ddpbf> It was french writer from 19 century
[16:13]  * Peace- *was sick
[16:13] <Ddpbf> :)
[16:13] <Ddpbf> it might be true
[16:13] <Peace-> i have studied him
[16:13] <Peace-> i guess but i hate that kind of stuff , i like numbers
[16:14] <genii-around> Philosophy in #kubuntu-offtopic please :)
[16:14] <Peace-> xD
[16:14] <Ddpbf> this is literature, but i guess it is in sam channel
[16:14] <Ddpbf> :D
[16:15]  * Ddpbf is running fast in #kubuntu-offtopic
[16:15] <Peace-> bye guys have a nice day
[16:15] <Eruaran> Ok if anyone has a solution please let me know
[16:16] <Peace-> genii-around: you no :D :P
[16:16] <Peace-> Eruaran: ?
[16:16] <Eruaran> Please do not tell me how to use locale settings again as if I haven't already stated that I have already done so
[16:16] <Eruaran> Is it really that hard to understand?
[16:16] <Peace-> Eruaran: i was offline sir...
[16:16] <Eruaran> KDE's settings are correct - the panel clock doesn't display correctly
[16:16] <Eruaran> This happens on every new Kubuntu install I do on multiple systems
[16:16] <Peace-> Eruaran: screenshot?
[16:17] <genii-around> Eruaran: The important thing is the exact setting to be: pH:MM:SS AMPM for the panel clock to display 12 hour
[16:17] <Eruaran> good grief
[16:17] <Eruaran> for some reason its just started working
[16:17] <Eruaran> i haven't changed any settings
[16:18] <Peace-> reloaded the plasma?
[16:18] <Peace-> rebooted?
[16:18] <Eruaran> many times before...
[16:18] <Eruaran> many times...
[16:18] <Eruaran> yes,  its been on pH:MM:SS AMPM all along...
[16:18] <Eruaran> bizarre
[16:18] <Peace-> i dunno
[16:19] <Peace-> ok :D bye
[16:19] <Eruaran> the only thing I did just then was install the adjustable clock widget
[16:19] <Eruaran> then remove it
[16:19] <Eruaran> because it also wasn't displaying 12 hour time...
[16:19] <Eruaran> then when I tried the normal one again... it worked
[16:19] <genii-around> Maybe you have desktop session saving in a way that it always ends up loading the 24 hour setting into the clock
[16:20] <Eruaran> I don't know
[16:20] <Eruaran> something just kicked it into shape
[16:21] <Eruaran> :@
[16:23] <Eruaran> The article is incorrect
[16:23] <Eruaran> oops
[16:23] <Eruaran> wrong channel
[17:07] <benbloom> I'm curious about installing kubuntu 64bit vs 32bit on an AMD64 chipset. I used the 64bit build for a while but found it lacking support for features I needed. what are the basic differences?
[17:25] <susundberg> benbloom: the 64bit release is compiled with 64b support. The all features etc support for devices should be there if they are in 32b version
[17:25] <susundberg> the code is 'almost' excatly the same
[17:31] <benbloom> so for instance, if i want to run flash on kubuntu 64 i can install the 32bit driver and run it no problem susundberg?
[17:33] <benbloom> driver is the wrong word.
[18:15] <mithrop> Hi here
[19:10] <BluesKaj> BBL, stuff to do
[19:36] <snikker> hi, i've installed grub2 (with kubuntu 10.11) and now i'm unable to run windows recovery partition <F9> key at boot, can you help me?
[19:38] <marcin> hj
[20:18] <bill> Hello everone.
[20:57] <snikker> hi, i've installed grub2 (with kubuntu 10.11) and now i'm unable to run windows recovery partition <F9> key at boot, can you help me?
[21:04] <OerHeks> snikker, i hope the partition is still on your HDD, please paste.ubuntu.com the output of " sudo fdisk -l  "
[21:05] <OerHeks> normally grub2 would not touch that hardwarekey to recovery
[21:05] <snikker> OerHeks: yes the partition is on my hd, is hidden but exist.
[21:06] <OerHeks> can you see the instance in your grubmenu when you hold shift @ boot
[21:07] <snikker> OerHeks: ok, now i try to hold shift
[21:07] <snikker> OerHeks: nothing change with shift hold down
[21:13] <uabn93>  How can i stop this error for mounting my patriot usb thumb drive? "the kernel driver for this filesystem type is not available...../dev/sdb1 is not a valid block device"
[21:24] <Orcris> Does anyone know how to make my screen lock? If I just press the lock button, nothing happens, and I just need to wait for about 5 minutes, it will turn off, but the screensaver won't work. How do I get it to lock?
[21:28] <AndroidLoverInSF> i like kde, it has more functionality than unity, but dolphin tends to crash a lot recently in 11.10. also sometimes when i click on the "start-menu" bottom left, it pops up but cant do anything. this tends to happen when non-local drives are not present, but why would it affect the startmenu. i can see why it would cause dolphin to hang. anyway dolphin doesnt handle disconnected drives as well as nautilus it seems. but i still like kde better
[21:28] <AndroidLoverInSF>  than unity
[21:29] <BarkingFish> Orcris: It's pretty easy
[21:30] <BarkingFish> If you click the K button on your panel, go to Leave, and in the next menu which pops up, under Session, click Lock
[21:30] <Orcris> I'm using the netbook interface.
[21:30] <Orcris> When I click the lock button on the top, nothing happens.
[21:30] <BarkingFish> right, I'm not sure how that differs since I'm on the desktop interface
[21:31] <BarkingFish> You might want to speak to #kde if you're having issues with Lock not locking your screen
[21:31] <Orcris> Okay. Thanks.
[21:31] <BarkingFish> np
[21:54] <loadid> i'm having trouble on new installs, my lcd monitor goes out of range as soon as grub loads and stays there even after booted up.  If i attach a crt monitor everything is well.  I changed the refresh rate to 60hz and it worked on the LCD monitor until i rebooted and then i guess went back to auto.  Any help??
[21:56] <phoenix_firebrd> what i have to do to use vaapi for intel gma x4500
[21:57] <BluesKaj> loadid, which graphics card ? Have you installed the recommended driver in kmenu>apps>system>additional drivers ?
[21:58] <loadid> BluesKaj: that would affect grub?
[21:58] <loadid> the video card works, if i hook up a crt monitor
[21:59] <loadid> it's just at a frequency my lcd doesn't support, and it changes back to auto from 60hz when i reboot
[22:00] <BluesKaj> yes it could depend on which graphics mode or whether one is being set at boot in /etc/default/grub
[22:03] <BluesKaj> loadid, usually lcds like a 50hz setting best , dunno why , that's just my experience
[22:03] <loadid> it's an nvidia card, i'll load some different drivers and see what happens
[22:05] <BluesKaj> loadid, well that's a start for sure , nvidia has additional drivers
[22:05] <BluesKaj> BBL, stuff to do
[22:07] <phoenix_firebrd> what i have to do to use vaapi for intel gma x4500
[22:08] <the_master11> hola
[22:08] <the_master11> alguien me puede ayudar
[22:12] <Timewarper> How can i install virtualbox (the closed source version) in ubuntu?
[22:17] <Timewarper>  k thx bye
[23:27] <92AAABK9M> I seem to have a problem booting a kubuntu 11.10 (upgrade).  I get the kubuntu splacsh with the dots under and it hangs. I think it's a video issue because I made some changes to the video card before this problem happened.  question is, how do I get it to boot to a safe mode so I can investigate the issue?
[23:29] <izzyb> I seem to have a problem booting a kubuntu 11.10 (upgrade). I get the kubuntu splacsh with the dots under and it hangs. I think it's a video issue because I made some changes to the video card before this problem happened. question is, how do I get it to boot to a safe mode so I can investigate the issue?


[06:12] <dsmythies> Thanks all. Yes, I learned that the ubuntulog bot was gone. It is gone as of march 14th on a lot of channels. I really wanted to see previous day logs for the kernel channel, as I accidently left the room after asking something. I have a request in at rt.ubuntu.com
[06:16] <dsmythies> tomreyn: yes, that is the site, and yes, they don't show up if there hasn't been traffic for a long time. However, they do show up if there is traffic, but that ubuntulg bot is required. I found this site useful: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots
[23:39] <tomreyn> dsmythies: you possibly missed this response in -kernel: <apw> dsmythies: trigger process was jammed, should be coming through now
[23:40] <tomreyn> also thanks for explaining what you were up to.


[00:08] <bitmonk> i've got the latest client software on 9.10, and files don't seem to be syncing with the web ui - i only have one computer linked for now, so not sure if my client isn't sending anything, or if the web ui is out of sync..
[02:30] <pablo_> hi
[02:31] <pablo_> sync problem
[09:10] <bravebug> Hi, all
[09:12] <bravebug> To who I ask question about packeging?
[12:25] <superpapalolo> Hi !
[12:34] <superpapalolo> Hi !
[13:53] <superpapalolo> Hi ! Is this a help chan for ubuntuone users or not ?
[13:54] <andrew> hello
[13:54] <andrew> superpapalolo: Having a problem?
[13:55] <superpapalolo> yes but just on one of my computers andrew (it works on the others)
[13:55] <superpapalolo> I can't synchronize nautilus with my account
[13:56] <superpapalolo> Ans trying to fix it, I "caceled" my computer in the account menu, expecting to add it after
[13:57] <superpapalolo> but there's no way to add a computer
[13:57] <andrew> hrm, don't know, but if you stick around, somebody should be able to lend a hand
[13:58] <superpapalolo> ok, thanks, I've reported the bug
[14:05] <joshuahoover> hi superpapalolo!
[14:06] <superpapalolo> pong joshuahoover
[14:06] <joshuahoover> what happens when you launch ubuntu one on the computer that isn't working properly for you?
[14:06] <superpapalolo> no joshuahoover
[14:07] <superpapalolo> it never sunchronize with the server
[14:07] <superpapalolo> synchronizes*
[14:07] <joshuahoover> superpapalolo: ok, do you have the latest updates? are you running karmic?
[14:07] <superpapalolo> yes
[14:08] <superpapalolo> and I reinstall all tha stuff by synaptic trying to fix it
[14:08] <superpapalolo> and I have the update
[14:08] <superpapalolo> and upgrade
[14:08] <joshuahoover> superpapalolo: can you look at ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log and see if there are any syncdaemon-exceptions.log files?
[14:08] <superpapalolo> I do it now.
[14:10] <superpapalolo> I have six of them joshuahoover oO'
[14:10] <joshuahoover> superpapalolo: can you open the one named syncdaemon-exceptions.log and paste it here? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/? then post the url here?
[14:12] <superpapalolo> Huh.. it's empty :/
[14:13] <joshuahoover> superpapalolo: ok, how about this log file, ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/oauth-login.log ?
[14:13] <superpapalolo> 2009-11-02 12:29:01,864:864.619016647 UbuntuOne.Client.Applet Démarrage du client Ubuntu One version 1.1
[14:14] <superpapalolo> a lot of this line
[14:14] <joshuahoover> superpapalolo: and nothing else?
[14:14] <superpapalolo> nop
[14:14] <joshuahoover> superpapalolo: do any of the other ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon-exceptions.log files have anything in them?
[14:14] <superpapalolo> yes in the first
[14:15] <superpapalolo> 2009-11-02 12:48:28,155 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.ActionQueue - ERROR - Protocol version error
[14:15] <superpapalolo> 2009-11-02 12:48:28,166 - twisted - ERROR - Unhandled error in Deferred:
[14:15] <superpapalolo> 2009-11-02 12:48:28,167 - twisted - ERROR - Unhandled Error
[14:15] <superpapalolo> Traceback (most recent call last):
[14:15] <superpapalolo> Failure: twisted.internet.error.ConnectionLost: Connection to the other side was lost in a non-clean fashion: Connection lost.
[14:15] <joshuahoover> superpapalolo: ok, let's try this from a terminal session: killall ubuntuone-client-applet ubuntuone-syncdaemon
[14:16] <superpapalolo> done
[14:16] <joshuahoover> superpapalolo: then this: mv ~/.config/ubuntuone ~/.config/ubuntuone_old
[14:16] <joshuahoover> superpapalolo: then: ubuntuone-client-applet
[14:16] <superpapalolo> done
[14:17] <superpapalolo> seems to work
[14:17] <superpapalolo> not
[14:18] <superpapalolo> The same as ever : trying to connect and nothing
[14:18] <joshuahoover> superpapalolo: can you tell me if you have an ubuntu one token when you go to applications->accessories->passwords and encryption keys (under the passwords tab)?
[14:19] <superpapalolo> yes I have it
[14:20] <joshuahoover> superpapalolo: ok, let's try quitting the ubuntu one client, deleting that token, and starting the ubuntu one client again
[14:20] <superpapalolo> the kill line and I delete my key ?
[14:21] <joshuahoover> superpapalolo: yes :)
[14:21] <superpapalolo> freaky :D
[14:23] <andrew> not sure if it was mentioned, but remove the ubuntu one ppas and the client, then install the client from the official ubuntu repos
[14:25] <superpapalolo> now it can stay connected, it's better. I test it and I tell you. Thanks joshuahoover
[14:25] <statik> hello world
[14:25] <joshuahoover> superpapalolo: good! thank you, i'll be here, so ping me if you need further assistance :)
[14:26] <superpapalolo> I'll do it, thanks a lot for your help joshuahoover
[14:26] <CardinalFang> I'm going to get breakfast.  I'm assuming stand-up is happening in constant, non-DST time.
[14:26] <joshuahoover> hello statik :)
[14:29] <CardinalFang> Heya, statik.  From Friday:  Yes, I once wrote a RADIUS plugin, back in y2000 or so.
[14:42] <superpapalolo> doesn't work joshuahoover
[14:42] <joshuahoover> superpapalolo: same problem?
[14:42] <superpapalolo> exactly the same
[14:43] <superpapalolo> It worked 5 minutes
[14:44] <joshuahoover> superpapalolo: anything in the ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon-exceptions.log or ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/oauth-login.log files?
[14:44] <superpapalolo> checking
[14:46] <superpapalolo> 2009-11-02 15:40:46,875 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.ActionQueue - ERROR - Protocol version error
[14:46] <superpapalolo> 2009-11-02 15:40:46,891 - twisted - ERROR - Unhandled error in Deferred:
[14:46] <superpapalolo> 2009-11-02 15:40:46,891 - twisted - ERROR - Unhandled Error
[14:46] <superpapalolo> Traceback (most recent call last):
[14:46] <superpapalolo> Failure: twisted.internet.error.ConnectionLost: Connection to the other side was lost in a non-clean fashion: Connection lost.
[14:46] <joshuahoover> superpapalolo: ok, i don't think you have the latest client
[14:46] <superpapalolo> I installed it today in synaptic
[14:47] <joshuahoover> superpapalolo: can you do this in a terminal session and tell me what version shows for ubuntuone-client? dpkg -l ubuntuone*
[14:47] <superpapalolo> ok
[14:48] <superpapalolo> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[14:48] <superpapalolo> | Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
[14:48] <superpapalolo> |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[14:48] <superpapalolo> ||/ Nom            Version        Description
[14:48] <superpapalolo> +++-[14:48] <superpapalolo> ii  ubuntuone-clie 1.1+r273-0ubun Ubuntu One client
[14:48] <superpapalolo> ii  ubuntuone-clie 1.1+r273-0ubun Ubuntu One client GNOME integration
[14:48] <superpapalolo> ii  ubuntuone-clie 1.1+r273-0ubun Ubuntu One client tools
[14:48] <superpapalolo> un  ubuntuone-oaut <néant>       (aucune description n'est disponible)
[14:48] <superpapalolo> un  ubuntuone-ppa  <néant>       (aucune description n'est disponible)
[14:48] <superpapalolo> un  ubuntuone-ppa- <néant>       (aucune description n'est disponible)
[14:48] <superpapalolo> un  ubuntuone-stor <néant>       (aucune description n'est disponible)
[14:48] <superpapalolo> un  ubuntuone-stor <néant>       (aucune description n'est disponible)
[14:48] <joshuahoover> superpapalolo: are you using our ppa?
[14:48] <superpapalolo> ubuntu's
[14:49] <joshuahoover> superpapalolo: but you have the ubuntuone-ppa installed and the version you're showing is from our ppa
[14:49] <joshuahoover> superpapalolo: you're running karmic?
[14:49] <superpapalolo> yes
[14:51] <joshuahoover> superpapalolo: ok, well, you have the ppa installed, which should still work, but it would be better to use the packages that come with karmic
[14:52] <superpapalolo> how can I erse it all and reinstall so ?
[14:52] <superpapalolo> erase*
[14:52] <joshuahoover> superpapalolo: the way to use the karmic packages would be to: sudo apt-get purge ubuntuone*
[14:52] <joshuahoover> superpapalolo: then try following the instructions here: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+faq/778
[14:53] <joshuahoover> superpapalolo: note, you won't have to do step 7 there
[14:53] <joshuahoover> superpapalolo: as long as you run: sudo apt-get purge ubuntuone*
[14:53] <superpapalolo> sudo apt-get purge ubuntuone* done
[14:55] <superpapalolo> now I have no more packages about ubuntuone ?
[14:57] <joshuahoover> superpapalolo: were you able to follow the instructions in the link i posted?
[14:57] <superpapalolo> doing it step 5
[14:58] <joshuahoover> superpapalolo: ok, good
[14:59] <superpapalolo> I don't do step 7 is it ?
[14:59] <superpapalolo> do I (I mean)
[15:00] <jblount> MEETING BEGINS
[15:00] <jblount> HI EVERYBODY!
[15:00] <jblount> If you are part of the Desktop+ developers team, could you please respond with a "me" ? We'll be taking status from everyone in the form of DONE / TODO / BLOCKED
[15:00] <jblount> me
[15:00] <CardinalFang> Er, now?
[15:00] <CardinalFang> me
[15:00] <superpapalolo> joshuahoover, May I do the step 7 or not ?
[15:01] <jblount> CardinalFang: Now is the time, or an hour from now? I may be confused again.
[15:01] <joshuahoover> superpapalolo: if you already did sudo apt-get purge ubuntuone* then you can skip
[15:01] <joshuahoover> jblount: heh
[15:01] <CardinalFang> jblount, an hour before now. :)
[15:01] <superpapalolo> ok joshuahoover
[15:01] <teknico> CardinalFang, that's the confused one ;-)
[15:01] <teknico> me
[15:01] <jblount> CardinalFang: You forgot to start it then :)
[15:02] <CardinalFang> jblount, It doesn't matter to me.  As long as aquarius and .ar, et c are happy.
[15:02] <teknico> aquarius is not here this week
[15:03] <vds> me
[15:06] <jblount> Let's get started, hopefully everyone will catch up with us!
[15:06] <jblount> DONE: Got my Windows 7 vm setup and found out that IE isn't as broken for our webinterface as I thought (woohoo!)
[15:06] <jblount> TODO: #449821 (a few /account/ page changes) and #387159 (account-assitance form), continue polishing the /files/ interface
[15:06] <jblount> BLOCKED: Nope
[15:06] <jblount> CardinalFang: You're up
[15:07] <CardinalFang> ONE: Rewrote some of new utilities/ini_apply_changes .  Took afternoon off.  Added new test and better failure file name this morning.  Reviewed aquarius' logging patch this morning.
[15:07] <CardinalFang> TODO: Sort bugs from Karmic users.  Help with u1couch problems.  Perhaps kidnap aquarius' bugs.
[15:07] <CardinalFang> BLOCKED: So I says to Mabel, I says "I ain't blocked on nothing, I reckon."
[15:07] <CardinalFang> teknico, sir!  What say you?!
[15:07] <teknico> DONE: investigation of different deletion behavior in Evolution and the contacts web UI; studied the User Experience Strategy doc; done some branch reviews
[15:07] <teknico> TODO: resume work on funambol; help design the next features of the contacts web UI
[15:07] <teknico> BLOCK: none
[15:07] <teknico> next: vds
[15:07] <superpapalolo> after following step by step the instructions, it sincs. I try to share between my wife's computer and mine, to reboot my computer and if it works properly, I'll just be back to thank you joshuahoover, if not I don't know... I'll thank you for your time and then I'll take a beer to pass over it.
[15:07] <vds> DONE: code review, testing sync daemon, added my objectives
[15:07] <vds> TODO: continuing on watchdaemon I guess
[15:07] <vds> BLOCKED:not really
[15:08] <joshuahoover> superpapalolo: excellent! as always, ping me if you have further questions :)
[15:09] <vds> jblount: I guess it's EOM
[15:11] <jblount> vds: I think so :)
[15:21] <urbanape> poop.
[15:21] <urbanape> MEETING STARTS AND/OR BEGINS
[15:21] <CardinalFang> Dang.
[15:22] <urbanape> drop yer linen and stop your grinnin'
[15:22] <urbanape> if you're on Desktop+, say "me" and let's do the DONE, TODO, and BLOCK thingy.
[15:22] <teknico> mmm, again already?
[15:22] <CardinalFang> We love them so much.
[15:22] <urbanape> hrm, double poop
[15:22] <urbanape> noone called me.
[15:22]  * urbanape saddens
[15:22] <teknico> :-D
[15:23] <urbanape> some day, I'll even learn this whole checking on IRC channels thing
[15:23] <CardinalFang> urbanape, "M**TING B*GINS".
[15:24] <urbanape> DONE: working on Bindwood, HR stuff, incident reports, &c. Nothing concrete.
[15:24] <urbanape> TODO: Finish up some of that stuff.
[15:24] <urbanape> BLOCK: None
[15:24] <urbanape> so, no one really missed anything from me
[15:24] <CardinalFang> Okay, now, going for breakfast, for real this time.
[15:26] <CardinalFang> So, u1-s/trunk-2a is frozen, yesno?
[15:27] <superpapalolo> I'm back here to thank you joshuahoover, it works perfectly now. Just drinking a beer... cheers ! your good health !!!
[15:27] <joshuahoover> superpapalolo: great! thank you for your patience :)
[15:47] <jcastro> joshuahoover, you're on at 1900UTC for openweek (reminder)
[15:47] <ukev> urbanape, anything new to test on the bindwood side?
[15:47] <joshuahoover> jcastro: yep, thanks!
[15:50] <urbanape> ukev, not just yet. I'm working on some better batching for the first run to not make FF hang until done, and long-polling the _changes feed to keep down on unnecessary ongoing polls
[15:50] <urbanape> soon
[15:55] <ukev> ok thanks
[15:55] <RachaelB> hi all
[15:55] <joshuahoover> hi RachaelB!
[15:55] <RachaelB> yo! yo! yo! in the house lol
[15:55] <RachaelB> ok more probs with ubuntuone :(
[15:56] <joshuahoover> RachaelB: sorry to hear that, i'll do my best to help get things working :)
[15:56] <RachaelB> ive done a clean install of the final release of unr
[15:57] <RachaelB> and the applet wont download files on the server back to the pc
[15:57] <RachaelB> ive tried deleting .config
[15:57] <RachaelB> and that didnt work... any ideas?
[15:58] <RachaelB> and you know that you're my favourite tecchie guru.... so please???
[15:59] <RachaelB> the ubuntu one local folder on shows "files shared with me" - nothing else
[15:59] <RachaelB> only shows*
[15:59] <joshuahoover> RachaelB: alright, does the client connect for you?
[16:00] <RachaelB> it connects... sometimes complains about authorisation making me go through the whole proces but yes, by and large it connects
[16:01] <RachaelB> btw i don't know if it's possible to fall in love with an o/s, but i *think* i might rapidly be heading that way with 9.10
[16:02] <joshuahoover> RachaelB: can you paste the contents of ~/.cache/ubuntuone/syncdaemon-exceptions.log to http://pastebin.ubuntu.com and post the link here?
[16:02] <RachaelB> yup - gimme a moment
[16:02] <joshuahoover> thanks RachaelB
[16:03] <RachaelB> any particular log file, or just the most recent?
[16:04] <RachaelB> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/307649/
[16:06] <RachaelB> there's also this one
[16:06] <RachaelB> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/307650/
[16:07] <RachaelB> the other exceptions.log are empty documents
[16:13] <RachaelB> any ideas joshua?
[16:13] <joshuahoover> RachaelB: can you paste ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/oauth-login.log as well?
[16:13] <RachaelB> lol
[16:15] <RachaelB> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/307655/
[16:17] <joshuahoover> RachaelB: sorry, i'm trying to do a few things at once here :) looking at the log files currently that you posted
[16:18] <joshuahoover> RachaelB: if you run this from a terminal session, can you let me know what version of ubuntuone-client you have? dpkg -l ubuntuone*
[16:20] <RachaelB> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[16:20] <RachaelB> | Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
[16:20] <RachaelB> |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[16:20] <RachaelB> ||/ Name                      Version                   Description
[16:20] <RachaelB> +++-[16:20] <RachaelB> ii  ubuntuone-client          1.0.2-0ubuntu2            Ubuntu One client
[16:20] <RachaelB> ii  ubuntuone-client-gnome    1.0.2-0ubuntu2            Ubuntu One client GNOME integration
[16:20] <RachaelB> un  ubuntuone-oauth-login     <none>                    (no description available)
[16:20] <RachaelB> un  ubuntuone-storage-protoco <none>                    (no description available)
[16:20] <RachaelB> un  ubuntuone-storagefs       <none>                    (no description available)
[16:22] <RachaelB> 1.0.2-0ubuntu2 <<< easier to read
[16:22] <RachaelB> off topic... but i can't manually set a root password either now :(
[16:27] <joshuahoover> RachaelB: when you installed ubuntu one, how did you do it?
[16:28] <RachaelB> clean install of unr from the release cd
[16:28] <joshuahoover> RachaelB: ok
[16:29] <joshuahoover> RachaelB: i'm checking something here real quick
[16:29] <RachaelB> okey-kokes np
[16:32] <joshuahoover> RachaelB: if you run this from a terminal session, what do you get? ps -ef | grep ubuntuone-syncdaemon
[16:33] <ukev> Hi, I just got an internal server error on the ubuntu one webseite while modifying an contact
[16:33] <RachaelB> rachael   2359     1  0 11:04 ?        00:01:34 /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-syncdaemon
[16:33] <RachaelB> rachael   8356  8253  0 16:32 pts/0    00:00:00 grep --color=auto ubuntuone-syncdaemon
[16:33] <RachaelB> @ukev i keep getting those as well
[16:33] <ukev> ok great :)
[16:34] <RachaelB> @ukev i think it *is* a server problem - seems to clear up by itself
[16:34] <ukev> (I also get an error in evolution while modifying a contact)
[16:34] <joshuahoover> ukev: i let our guys know about that so someone should be looking into it right away
[16:35] <joshuahoover> RachaelB: if you go to applications->accessories->passwords and encryption keys do you have a token for ubuntu one under "passwords"?
[16:35] <joshuahoover> ukev: what is the error you're getting in evolution?
[16:35] <RachaelB> here we go again lol
[16:36] <ukev> joshuahoover, it's a very nice one just saying "another error" in german "Anderer Fehler"...
[16:36] <RachaelB> token present and correct
[16:36] <joshuahoover> RachaelB: i thought so
[16:37] <RachaelB> let me guess... delete and restart?
[16:37] <joshuahoover> facundobatista: can you look at these log files that RachaelB kindly posted for us and let us know what the problem might be? i'm running out of ideas :(
[16:37] <joshuahoover> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/307655/
[16:37] <joshuahoover> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/307650/
[16:38] <facundobatista> joshuahoover, ok
[16:38] <joshuahoover> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/307649/
[16:39] <facundobatista> joshuahoover, strange... because AQ receives an internal error from the server doing oauth, but also Main can not find the token and raises an exception
[16:39] <facundobatista> verterok, ^ ?
[16:39] <RachaelB> !!!yay!!! i've stumped you lol
[16:40] <joshuahoover> facundobatista: it has me scratching my head
[16:40] <joshuahoover> RachaelB: you win!
[16:40]  * verterok looks
[16:40] <RachaelB> thanks - what's my prize???
[16:40] <joshuahoover> RachaelB: good question...the satisfaction that you've stumped facundobatista and me? ;)
[16:41] <joshuahoover> ukev: you get the evolution error when modifying a contact in your ubuntu one address book?
[16:41] <RachaelB> but let's face it... it's not *that* difficult to confuse most men
[16:41] <ukev> joshuahoover, right
[16:41] <joshuahoover> ukev: and the error doesn't say anything else?
[16:41] <verterok> facundobatista, joshuahoover: the error seem to be a missing token.
[16:41] <joshuahoover> RachaelB: heh
[16:41] <facundobatista> verterok, but isn't that a standard thing?
[16:41] <facundobatista> verterok, why Main crashes about it?
[16:41] <ukev> in the title is displayed "an error accurs while modifiying a contact..." and in the body of the message "another error" nothing else...
[16:42] <facundobatista> verterok, I mean, users have not the token when first started...
[16:42] <verterok> facundobatista: Main don't crash
[16:42] <verterok> facundobatista: syncdaemon tries to get the connect when a connect request is made via dbus
[16:42] <facundobatista> verterok, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/307649/
[16:43] <verterok> facundobatista: that's not a crash, it's an exception :)
[16:43] <facundobatista> verterok, ok, ok, but why are we getting into that?
[16:43] <facundobatista> verterok, somebody tells to search the token when it shouldn't?
[16:43] <verterok> facundobatista: because syncdaemon is trying to connect, and don't have the oauth token yet
[16:44] <verterok> facundobatista: somebody is telling to connect before we have a token in the keyring
[16:44] <facundobatista> verterok, ah, ok
[16:44] <verterok> facundobatista: and the onyl way to tell syncdaemon to connect is via dbus
[16:44] <joshuahoover> ukev: i think you'll need to file a bug, but i'd like you to provide some more debug info if you could by running the following commands in a terminal session:
[16:44] <joshuahoover> $ evolution --force-shutdown
[16:44] <joshuahoover> $ /usr/lib/evolution/evolution-data-server-2.28
[16:45] <facundobatista> verterok, the applet tells it?
[16:46] <verterok> facundobatista: yes
[16:46] <facundobatista> joshuahoover, ^
[16:46] <joshuahoover> ukev: then start evolution as you normally would and try edit the contact again...once the error occurs, copy and paste all the output from the terminal session and attach it to a bug you'll file here: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/evolution-couchdb/+filebug
[16:47] <joshuahoover> facundobatista, verterok: would it be at all helpful for RachaelB to delete the token she has now and start the client back up again?
[16:47] <verterok> joshuahoover: she has a token?
[16:47] <ukev> joshuahoover, you know that my auth-token etc. are printed in the terminal session?
[16:47] <RachaelB> yes i do
[16:47] <verterok> RachaelB: hi
[16:48] <RachaelB> verterok: hi
[16:48] <RachaelB> verterok: ive got a token and allegedly the applet is connected
[16:48] <joshuahoover> ukev: you can remove that and you can mark the bug report as private so only you and the ubuntu one team have access to the report
[16:49] <verterok> RachaelB: could you paste the output of: tail ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log ?
[16:49] <RachaelB> verterok: lol np
[16:51] <RachaelB> http://paste.ubuntu.com/307678/
[16:51] <verterok> RachaelB: yay!, you'r connected!
[16:51] <verterok> RachaelB: line 32-35 of the pastebin
[16:52] <verterok> joshuahoover: ^
[16:52] <RachaelB> verterok: ive always been connected
[16:52] <joshuahoover> verterok: :)
[16:52] <joshuahoover> RachaelB: the problem is no sync, correct?
[16:52] <verterok> RachaelB, joshuahoover: what was the problem?
[16:52] <verterok> ahh
[16:52] <RachaelB> verterok: but the applet doesnt sync down to the computer the files held on the server
[16:53] <joshuahoover> RachaelB: and the server has files for the account you hooked this computer up with, correct? when you go to https://one.ubuntu.com/files there are files there?
[16:53] <verterok> RachaelB: is there a change you have two different users?
[16:53] <verterok> *chance
[16:53] <RachaelB> verterok: there are files on the server (don't want to lose those!)
[16:54] <RachaelB> verterok: two different users? don't think so
[16:54] <RachaelB> verterok: this worked ok b4 the clean unr install of the final release
[16:54] <joshuahoover> RachaelB: what happens if you put a small text file in your ~/Ubuntu One folder?
[16:54] <verterok> RachaelB: sure, I was asking if there is a chance that you'r connected with a different user :)
[16:54] <verterok> RachaelB: ok
[16:55] <facundobatista> verterok, she installed cleanly a new releasea
[16:55] <facundobatista> verterok, is there a chance that *that* created a new user for her?
[16:55] <RachaelB> i'll see what happens with a new file
[16:56] <RachaelB> youre not gonna believe this - it's just synched everything
[16:56] <RachaelB> adding a blank file worked
[16:57] <RachaelB> i never though of trying that - *doh*
[16:58] <RachaelB> still... must be a bug of some description - shouldnt really have to do that
[16:59] <RachaelB> <<<<< *happy*
[16:59] <joshuahoover> RachaelB: so after you copied the file, everything copied down to your Ubuntu One folder from the server?
[16:59] <RachaelB> yup
[16:59] <verterok> RachaelB: could you file a bug, and attach all the logs?
[17:00] <ukev> joshuahoover, I don't think it make sense to post the hole output of evolution-data server because I isolated the lines which accur while modifiying the contact and theses lines are still 15933... (!!)
[17:00] <verterok> RachaelB: execute: "tar -cjf ~/Desktop/syncdaemon-log.tar.bz2 ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log" to get all the logs :)
[17:02] <RachaelB> what would you like me to file the bug under?
[17:04] <RachaelB> where's the "report new bug" option gone?
[17:05] <joshuahoover> RachaelB: right-click on the ubuntu one client and select "report a problem"
[17:05] <joshuahoover> RachaelB: you don't see that anymore?
[17:06] <RachaelB> just figured that out... but how do you generally report new bugs nowadays?
[17:07] <joshuahoover> RachaelB: for ubuntu one, that's the preferred way
[17:11] <RachaelB> ok peeps it's now: Bug #471316
[17:11] <RachaelB> told ya
[17:11] <RachaelB> lol
[17:11] <joshuahoover> thanks RachaelB!
[17:12] <RachaelB> np.... thanks for your help (as ever)
[17:12] <RachaelB> it's been..... emotional
[17:13] <RachaelB> see you later for my next set of problems!!!!
[17:13] <RachaelB> joshuahoover: before i go, any ideas why i cant manually set a root password nowadays?
[17:14] <RachaelB> joshuahoover: i can go through the process of setting it, but then it doens't seem to remember/set it
[17:14] <joshuahoover> RachaelB: sorry, i have no clue about that one
[17:15] <RachaelB> that's ok... i'll have a hunt around
[17:15] <joshuahoover> RachaelB: i'm not very helpful for you today, huh?
[17:15] <RachaelB> joshuahoover: hey! you sorted out my sync problems
[17:15] <RachaelB> joshuahoover: that's a pretty major step forward - thank you *so* much
[17:15] <joshuahoover> RachaelB: yeah, kind of...not a good final solution, but at least you're up and running again :)
[17:15] <joshuahoover> RachaelB: thank you for your patience :)
[17:16] <joshuahoover> RachaelB: for your root password problem, i'd ask over on #ubuntu
[17:16] <RachaelB> joshuahoover: thanks for the advice... see ya later! bye x
[17:16] <joshuahoover> bye RachaelB!
[17:56] <mattgriffin> Any application developers in this channel may want to join #ubuntu-classroom (#ubuntu-classroom-chat for questions) for a discussion led by Rick Spencer called "Scratch your own itch, learn how to write your own app". The full timetable is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[17:56] <mattgriffin> starting in 5 minutes
[19:16] <tcole> @reviewlist
[19:16] <tcole> whoops, wrong channel again
[19:43] <yos> Well, I did the updates and apparently ubuntu one is working (I see the cloud symbol) but I cannot connect
[19:47] <verterok> yos: can you pastebin the contents of ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon-exceptions.log ?
[19:48] <yos> verterok, I've never used 'pastebin'
[19:50] <verterok> yos: ok np. in a terminal session: gedit ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon-exceptions.log
[19:51] <verterok> yos: then select all the file contents and right click copy
[19:51] <verterok> yos: go to http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[19:52] <verterok> yos: paste and then click in the 'paste!' button :)
[19:52]  * verterok reviews
[19:52] <verterok> ups
[19:53] <gunknown> hi. can i share files using ubuntuone with people without an ubuntuone account?
[19:54] <yos> verterok, I did that, now what ?
[19:54] <verterok> yos: copy the url and paste it here :)
[19:54] <verterok> yos: it should changed to something like: paste.ubuntu.com/XXXXX
[19:55] <yos> verterok, it isn't...I don't know why
[19:56] <yos> verterok, http://paste.ubuntu.com/307875/
[19:56] <yos> ^^
[19:56] <yos> I figured it out yay
[19:56] <verterok> yos: :)
[19:57] <verterok> yos: ok. looks like you don't have the access token in your keyring
[19:58] <verterok> yos: when you started the ubuntuoen client, it opened a browser tab to authorize the machine?
[19:58] <yos> No
[19:58] <yos> No browser
[20:01] <yos> verterok, no browser opens and by the way, I did restart the client after updating
[20:01] <verterok> yos: ok, could you pastebin the contents of ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/oauth-login.log?
[20:02] <Solarion> hey
[20:02] <Solarion> :)
[20:02] <Solarion> what's the purpose of having the server code proprietary?
[20:03] <yos> verterok, no need to pastebin
[20:03] <yos> Starting Ubuntu One client version 1.0.2
[20:03] <yos> Starting Ubuntu One client version 1.0.2
[20:03] <yos> verterok, that is it ^^
[20:03] <verterok> yos: ok, so looks like you have a token..or the client isn't requesting a new one
[20:03] <verterok> youcould you check in your keyring if there is Ubuntu One token?
[20:04] <__lucio__> Solarion, if we store everything encrypted, we cant have a web ui.
[20:04] <verterok> yos: Applications --> Accessories --> Password and Encryption
[20:04] <Solarion> __lucio__: I think perhaps and perhaps not
[20:04] <Solarion> It depends on how you do it, and what you're trading off
[20:04] <Solarion> for instance, you can do the public/private key thing
[20:05] <__lucio__> Solarion, enlighten me
[20:05] <Solarion> you could do a java applet or such
[20:05] <Sparckus> hi, will there be a log of the full days topics in #ubuntu-classroom posted anywhere?
[20:05] <__lucio__> Solarion, now for real. web means web.
[20:05] <yos> verterok, no keys at all
[20:05] <verterok> yos: in the passwords tab?
[20:05] <Solarion> __lucio__: you can't store the key server-side?
[20:06] <yos> verterok, all of the tabs are blank
[20:06] <Solarion> there's also read vs write
[20:06] <__lucio__> Solarion, but if we have the key with the data, whats the point?
[20:07] <verterok> yos: ok, looks like an applet issue
[20:07] <verterok> yos: did you changed your default browser?
[20:07] <Solarion> __lucio__: depends on whom it is you're protecting. :)
[20:07] <Solarion> suppose it's redudnant from the openid, tho
[20:07] <yos> no verterok
[20:07] <Solarion> with public key, though, it's clear that you can view the data
[20:07] <verterok> yos: ok, please quit the client
[20:08] <yos> done
[20:08] <Solarion> you can also allow the client to *elect* to auto-encrypt the data, at the loss of sharing, as well
[20:09] <__lucio__> Solarion, but thats no fun!
[20:09] <Solarion> __lucio__: it's a cost-benefit tradeoff
[20:09] <__lucio__> Solarion, we have a plan to encrypt on the server side and make the storage servers requests the keys for downlods. so we can limit the damage is we have security problems
[20:09] <Solarion> wonder if you could do something with html5 web storage
[20:09] <verterok> yos: start it again
[20:10] <__lucio__> Solarion, yes, but the whole idea (from where i see it) is sharing
[20:10] <Solarion> __lucio__: but you're not every user. :)
[20:10] <Solarion> if you just want it for the backup or sync capabilities, the must-be-able-to-share is a liability
[20:10] <__lucio__> Solarion, thats why i get to pick :)
[20:11] <Solarion> what is why you get to pick?
[20:11] <__lucio__> whats important
[20:11] <__lucio__> but im just kidding
[20:11] <yos> verterok, done
[20:11] <Solarion> kidding and sarcasm often translate poorly to ASCII/UTF-8 :)
[20:11] <__lucio__> Solarion, and i misread "every user" for "even an user"
[20:11] <Solarion> ah
[20:12] <verterok> yos: it opened a firefox tab with a page to authorize the machine?
[20:12] <Solarion> I think public/private key encryption is the right way to go
[20:12] <__lucio__> Solarion, anyhow. but the user can make the choice now, and ecrypt the directory with encryptfs or something like that
[20:12] <verterok> joshuahoover: do you know about auth issues with the applet? :)
[20:12] <Solarion> write private, read public, share public, on the client
[20:12] <__lucio__> we dont have to add any special support for that
[20:12] <joshuahoover> verterok: no, none that i'm aware of
[20:12] <Solarion> __lucio__: that's far from as simple as checking "encrypt" and entering a master key passphrase
[20:13] <yos> verterok, No not at all
[20:13] <verterok> joshuahoover: yos don't have a token and the applet isn't opening firefox
[20:13] <joshuahoover> verterok: have you had yos try running the client from a terminal session?
[20:13] <Solarion> I'd be very interested what you can do with Mozilla here
[20:13] <Solarion> maybe they have very little overlap, who knows
[20:13] <verterok> joshuahoover: no :)
[20:13] <__lucio__> Solarion, yes. i know.
[20:14] <verterok> yos: please quit the client, and open a terminal session
[20:14] <joshuahoover> yos: please quit the client and then run it from a terminal session with: ubuntuone-client-applet
[20:14] <Solarion> is it at least encrypted between client and server?
[20:14] <yos> ok
[20:14] <joshuahoover> verterok: i'm testing this just in case
[20:14] <yos> gksudo ?
[20:14] <verterok> yos: no, just terminal
[20:14] <__lucio__> Solarion, yes we do that
[20:14] <Solarion> or is "super_seekr1t_bidn155_pl4nz.gnumeric" crossing the wire in plaintext
[20:14] <Solarion> k
[20:14] <Solarion> :)
[20:15] <Solarion> (no peeking in my files for that file!)
[20:15] <gunknown> can i share files using ubuntuone with people without an ubuntuone account?
[20:15] <verterok> yos: btw, Accesories -> Terminal
[20:15] <Solarion> gunknown: in the next version of Ubuntu
[20:16] <joshuahoover> gunknown: not currently, but we're going to make that possible in the not too distant future
[20:16] <Solarion> or do you mean without either of you having an account?
[20:16] <gunknown> and on which ways?
[20:16] <gunknown> via http?
[20:16] <gunknown> no, assuming i have an account and want to share with people dont having an acc
[20:17] <joshuahoover> gunknown: yes, http...you'll get a link that you can pass to people that will allow them access to the files directly
[20:17] <gunknown> ok, cool
[20:17] <yos> verterok, that doesn't open up a browser session either
[20:17] <joshuahoover> yos: any errors?
[20:17] <verterok> yos: nono, do you have terminal session opened?
[20:18] <gunknown> and even more ways? ftp?
[20:18] <Solarion> __lucio__: thanks for the chat. :)
[20:18] <__lucio__> Solarion, np!
[20:18] <__lucio__> thank you for your interest
[20:18] <Solarion> :)
[20:18]  * Solarion looks forward to where it sounds like this is headed.
[20:18] <yos> verterok, yes, I ran it from terminal and joshuahoover no errors
[20:19] <verterok> yos: try this in the terminal session: xdg-open http://www.google.com
[20:19] <Solarion> and epsecially when the source is Freed
[20:19] <joshuahoover> verterok: did you have yos post oauth-login.log?
[20:19] <verterok> joshuahoover: yes, no errors
[20:19] <joshuahoover> verterok: great! ;)
[20:21] <yos> verterok, that command opens up my browser just fine
[20:21] <verterok> yos: ok.
[20:21] <joshuahoover> hmmm...
[20:22] <joshuahoover> verterok: yos doesn't have a token, correct?
[20:22] <yos> no token
[20:22] <joshuahoover> verterok: and no syncdaemon-exceptions.log?
[20:23] <verterok> joshuahoover: yes, "No acess token" error
[20:24] <joshuahoover> yos: if you run, this from your terminal session, can you let me know what version ubuntuone-client shows? dpkg -l ubuntuone*
[20:25] <yos> joshuahoover, "no packages found matching ubuntuone
[20:25] <joshuahoover> yos: ahhhhh
[20:26] <joshuahoover> yos: but you have applications->internet->ubuntu one?
[20:26] <yos> Yes
[20:26] <joshuahoover> yos: strange
[20:26] <yos> and the cloud symbol appears when I start it up
[20:26] <joshuahoover> yos: are you on karmic?
[20:26] <yos> Yes
[20:27] <yos> fresh install, fully updated
[20:27] <verterok> yos: please run: apt-cache policy ubuntuone-client-gnome
[20:28] <yos> verterok, that gives me version info, etc
[20:30] <verterok> yos: what is the Installed: version?
[20:31] <yos> 1.0.2
[20:33] <ukev> How does ubuntu one handle conflicts in contacts from webinterface and evolution?
[20:34] <verterok> yos: and: apt-cache policy ubuntuone-client ?
[20:34] <dutchie> my contacts don't seem to be syncing with the web UI
[20:35] <yos> verterok, same results
[20:36] <verterok> yos: ok, so you have the client installed correctly
[20:36] <verterok> joshuahoover: client is installed ok ^
[20:36] <joshuahoover> dutchie: no? if you go to .cache/desktop-couch/log/desktop-couch-replication.log can you paste the contents to http://pastebin.ubuntu.com
[20:36] <verterok> yos: give me a minute, I;m trying to find a way to force the auth token request
[20:37] <joshuahoover> verterok: very strange
[20:40] <dutchie> joshuahoover: http://pastebin.com/f6e6c42db is the last 200 lines
[20:41] <joshuahoover> dutchie: if you go to applications->accessories->passwords and encryption keys do you see an ubuntu one token under "passwords"?
[20:42] <verterok> yos: I have one more thing to try :)
[20:42] <verterok> yos: in a terminal session execute this: dbus-send --session --dest=com.ubuntuone.Authentication --print-reply  --type=method_call / com.ubuntuone.Authentication.login string:'https://ubuntuone.com' string:'ubuntuone'
[20:42] <dutchie> joshuahoover: yep
[20:42] <joshuahoover> dutchie: ok
[20:44] <yos> method return sender=:1.150 -> dest=:1.149 reply_serial=2
[20:44] <yos> verterok, ^^
[20:44] <verterok> yos: and now browser popup?
[20:44] <yos> no
[20:45] <verterok> yos: ok, let's do some cleanup :)
[20:45] <verterok> yos: execute this: dbus-send --session --dest=com.ubuntuone.Authentication --print-reply  --type=method_call / com.ubuntuone.Authentication.clear_token string:'https://ubuntuone.com' string:'ubuntuone'
[20:45] <joshuahoover> dutchie: i'm having someone help me on this one
[20:46] <yos> verterok, same result
[20:46] <verterok> yos: and now the login again: dbus-send --session --dest=com.ubuntuone.Authentication --print-reply  --type=method_call / com.ubuntuone.Authentication.login string:'https://ubuntuone.com' string:'ubuntuone'
[20:47] <verterok> yos: what we are doing is forcing a cleanup of the token and requesting it again
[20:47] <yos> ok
[20:47] <verterok> yos: if this don't work, I'm completely lost :(
[20:48] <verterok> yos: after running this last command, could you pastebin the contents of ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/oauth-login.log ?
[20:49] <yos> verterok, you want me to run the command again now or pastebin now ?
[20:49] <joshuahoover> dutchie: ok, so it looks like you're affected by a problem we're currently fixing...it's related to tokens on the server side and couchdb...we essentially need to "fix" the tokens but it takes quite a while to do so the script is running now and continues to fix tokens continually...this should be fixed within the next few days...my apologies for this
[20:49] <verterok> yos: what was the last command you executed? :)
[20:49] <dutchie> joshuahoover: no worries, it's not critical or anything
[20:49] <yos> the last one you gave me
[20:49] <dutchie> joshuahoover: nice to know what's going on, cheers
[20:49] <joshuahoover> dutchie: thanks for the patience and support!
[20:50] <verterok> yos: ok, please pastebin the log contents
[20:50] <dutchie> joshuahoover: no problem, thanks for having a go
[20:50] <dutchie> joshuahoover: actually, all the problems I've had have been "yeah, we know, fix in progress"
[20:51] <dutchie> thumbs up to the devs on that
[20:51] <yos> Starting Ubuntu One client version 1.0.2
[20:51] <yos> verterok, ^^
[20:51] <verterok> yos: nothing else?
[20:52] <yos> It's just that 5 times
[20:52] <joshuahoover> yos: do you use networkmanager?
[20:53] <joshuahoover> yos: are you behind a proxy server of some sort?
[20:54] <yos> No networkmanager no proxy
[20:54] <joshuahoover> yos: thanks
[20:54]  * joshuahoover scratches his head on this problem yos is having with ubuntu one client not connecting
[20:56] <yos> could it have something to do with the fact that I am on a cellular USB modem ?
[20:56] <joshuahoover> yos: yes, possible
[20:57] <joshuahoover> yos: but normally we see some sort of an error in the log file, when opening the client from a terminal session...somewhere
[20:57] <joshuahoover> yos: wait, you said you don't use networkmanager?
[20:57] <yos> Not that I am aware of no
[20:58] <joshuahoover> yos: i think that is the problem, we currently require the use of networkmanager
[20:58] <joshuahoover> yos: we're working on a fix for that though: bug 357395
[20:59] <joshuahoover> yos: could you run the following command in a terminal session? wget -q http://launchpadlibrarian.net/34282008/nm-checker && chmod 755 nm-checker && ./nm-checker
[20:59] <joshuahoover> yos: This downloads a small python script (that collects information about the state of NetworkManager on your computer), sets it to executable, and runs the script. If you want to check the script first, please open the URL in your browser first before running the command. :-)
[21:01] <yos> the reply was Got state:4
[21:04] <joshuahoover> yos: hmmm...ok, thanks
[21:06] <joshuahoover> yos: that means you are disconnected according to networkmanager
[21:06] <joshuahoover> yos: took me a while to find that, sorry...i didn't write that script, one of our devs did and he's on vacation this week :)
[21:08] <joshuahoover> yos: unfortunately, until we fix bug 357395 you'll either need to find a way to use networkmanager or wait for a fix to be released...i'm sorry it took us so long to arrive at this conclusion, i need to file a bug about not getting any error messages when you went through all those steps with verterok
[21:09] <yos> thanks joshuahoover for your support...I can actually wait on this for now :D
[21:10] <yos> Thanks to you too verterok
[21:10] <verterok> yos: np, sorry I wasn't able to figure it out earlier :/
[22:35] <jcastro> I get an internal server error when saving a contact after clicking on Save
[22:49] <joshuahoover> jcastro: arrggghh
[23:09] <ukev> Hi, how can I remove my bookmarks from the desktop couch? If I delete them via browser, they will be synced back from ubuntu one
[23:22] <joshuahoover> ukev: yes, if you delete your bookmarks while you have bindwood installed, they will sync to the server that way
[23:24] <ukev> joshuahoover, but they don't get deleted in the couch db because another client needs to know whether a bookmark is old and should be deleted or a bookmark is new and should be added to the couch... so they remain in the db...
[23:25] <joshuahoover> ukev: they aren't completely deleted...i believe they're marked as "deleted"
[23:25] <ukev> but because of another bug they will sync back in the firefox bookmarks in an folder called "Desktop Couch" if they were in the Toolbar folder before.... very strange
[23:26] <ukev> I need to clean them completely
[23:26] <ukev> you understand?
[23:26] <joshuahoover> ukev: understand
[23:26] <ukev> because there are 800 entrys in the db... and every time a delete them or the db... there will be more inside it :)
[23:27] <ukev> so I can't start fresh with... 10-20 bookmarks, which should work
[23:28] <joshuahoover> ukev: hmmm...i'm not sure i know how to answer your question (seems like an easy one to answer!)
[23:29] <ukev> hm... yes...
[23:29] <joshuahoover> ukev: can you stop by here tomorrow a bit earlier and ask for urbanape or me? sorry, urbanape is the guy who will know the best answer here (i need to learn as well)
[23:30] <ukev> yes ... maybe I will... I have wasted so much time for bindwood the last week, very frustrating
[23:30] <ukev> today I migrated all my bookmarks to some tomboy notes because that sync really works :)
[23:30] <joshuahoover> ukev: i'm sorry, bindwood is, as you've noticed, still in its early stages
[23:31] <joshuahoover> ukev: i appreciate you trying it out and trying to make it work!
[23:32] <ukev> yes, I noticed... and that fact is ok... but you should really communicate that on the website and on the howto... A few days ago, when I started trying bindwood, it was a feature on the https://one.ubuntu.com/features/ page, where it is removed now, what was a really good decision...
[23:34] <joshuahoover> ukev: good point...i'll try to make that very clear on the tutorial right now
[23:35] <ukev> don't get me wrong, it's really ok for software beeing buggy, but the user need to know it because other wise they will get wrong expectation wich will end in disappointment... and bindwood is in a really pre-alpha stage
[23:37] <joshuahoover> i agree...i'm taking your advice and trying to make the notice of bindwood being in a pre-final release (i won't quibble over alpha, beta, etc...it's not "there" yet, that much we both know) and that people need to consider that before installing
[23:38] <ukev> Oh and I just noticed something different... even the test_suite_db/with_slashed db will be replicated to ubuntu one and if I delete this db local - it will be synced back from ubuntu one... same happens with an db I created while trying out quickly
[23:39] <joshuahoover> you get the db back from the server?
[23:39] <ukev> yes
[23:39] <ukev> I runed the test suite locally... it synced to the server... I delete the db locally and it comes back from the server...
[23:40] <ukev> sorry.. runed=run :)
[23:41] <joshuahoover> ukev: that's in case you really didn't want to delete the database ;)
[23:41] <ukev> sorry but I don't understand the meaning of your last sentence
[23:41] <joshuahoover> ukev: i'll try to reproduce here and then file a bug unless you want to do the honors of filing a bug against https://edge.launchpad.net/desktopcouch
[23:42] <joshuahoover> ukev: just joking...we should delete it on the server...i was joking that it was a safety feature...you know, so you never make a mistake like deleting a database...bad joke
[23:43] <ukev> ah ok... I was not shure if that's a joke :)
[23:43] <ukev> ahhh... shure=sure... it's really to late .. sorry
[23:43] <joshuahoover> :)
[23:45] <joshuahoover> ukev: i'm going to file a bug if you don't...i'm heading off for dinner now
[23:45] <ukev> you can make the bug report if you can reproduce it, I really need a ubuntu one tesing and reporting break of 1-2 weeks - need to be productive :)
[23:45] <joshuahoover> ukev: will do :)
[23:46] <joshuahoover> ukev: thank you for all your help!
[23:46] <ukev> ok, good appetite
[23:47] <ukev> your welcome... but maybe you can reconsider your opinion on releasing the server sources... I think it will help the project and you can still make money on providing the service...
[23:48] <urbanape> ukev, we provide a view in desktop couch for all the records marked deleted
[23:48] <ukev> at the moment it's really the biggest point of criticism from the community
[23:48] <urbanape> (sorry, just popped in after dinner - still need to get the kid through the bath and to bed)
[23:49] <ukev> ok, thanks for the work again... maybe till 2 weeks :)
[23:49] <ukev> bye