[02:06] <littlegirl> Hey there. (:
[02:07] <littlegirl> ahoneybun are you at keys?
[02:07] <ahoneybun> hello littlegirl :)
[02:07] <ahoneybun> what?
[02:08] <ahoneybun> at keys
[02:08] <ahoneybun> ?
[02:08] <littlegirl> You put the how-to line above the important line - you might want to switch those around. Also, did you and Valorie decide not to have the GUI (Muon) instructions in that section at all?
[02:08] <littlegirl> Ah, at keys is my way of saying at the keyboard. Sorry. (:
[02:08] <ahoneybun> lol
[02:09] <ahoneybun> I just removed the part dealing with the source.list
[02:10] <littlegirl> The part with Muon also got removed. If you do a diff you can see it. (:
[02:11] <littlegirl> I made sure and put GUI and command line instructions for everything, and there are now just command line instructions on that section. (:
[02:13] <littlegirl> Also, the "Add a PPA" subheading is gone from the "Managing Personal Package Archives" section. You might want to put that back as well. (:
[02:13] <ahoneybun> I don't see anything about muon on ppas
[02:14] <ahoneybun> I see
[02:16] <ahoneybun> check it now :)
[02:18] <smartboyhw> Hey guys:P
[02:19] <ahoneybun> smartboyhw: hey
[02:20] <smartboyhw> ahoneybun: How's docs?
[02:20] <ahoneybun> smartboyhw: coming along :)
[02:20] <smartboyhw> ;)
[02:20] <ahoneybun> https://trello.com/board/kubuntu-docs-saucy-salamander/518d39bc9433cf5507000173
[02:21] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Almost perfect. (:
[02:22] <ahoneybun> littlegirl: almost?
[02:22] <ahoneybun> smartboyhw: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs
[02:22] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Now you got rid of Valorie's changes at the bottom. If you replace [02:23] <ahoneybun> omg thanks
[02:23] <littlegirl> heh
[02:23] <littlegirl> She probably would have realized it and fetched them. (:
[02:24] <ahoneybun> littlegirl: but more work for her
[02:24]  * littlegirl nods at ahoneybun
[02:24] <littlegirl> Hey there, smartboyhw. (:
[02:24] <littlegirl> Are you another docs contributor?
[02:24] <ahoneybun> bad if we just erase each others work
[02:24] <smartboyhw> littlegirl: o/ packager
[02:25] <littlegirl> Not a problem, though, because you can revert or at least copy and paste from the history. (:
[02:25] <smartboyhw> tester also
[02:25] <littlegirl> smartboyhw: Oh! That's something I've never tried. (:
[02:25] <littlegirl> Tester I've been and will probably always be. (:
[02:26] <littlegirl> ahoneybun, what still needs doing that I can do?
[02:26] <ahoneybun> well I have lordievader on something but he has been busy
[02:27] <ahoneybun> not sure If I should just take him off
[02:27] <ahoneybun> don't want to seem mean
[02:27] <littlegirl> Yeah, don't do that. I'd wait and see if he says he can'
[02:27] <littlegirl> can't do it. (:
[02:28] <littlegirl> Is there anything else?
[02:28] <ahoneybun> I think we could use more content
[02:28] <ahoneybun> not sure what though
[02:29] <littlegirl> Then I guess that can wait until you know what it ought to be. (:
[02:29] <ahoneybun> well we have have gone over connecting to the internet, managing all the software
[02:30] <ahoneybun> what you get in the included software and the technology behind those apps
[02:31] <ahoneybun> smartboyhw: since you are a packager and tester could you give some insight to what the development page should have?
[02:31] <ahoneybun> If I'm right that's the last thing for the software page
[02:31] <smartboyhw> ahoneybun: You mean development software or!?
[02:31] <ahoneybun> dev software
[02:32] <smartboyhw> KDevelop, Eclipse…
[02:32] <ahoneybun> smartboyhw: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Software/Development
[02:32] <smartboyhw> ahoneybun: ^
[02:32] <ahoneybun> yea that
[02:32] <ahoneybun> 's in there
[02:33] <smartboyhw> QtCreator?
[02:33] <ahoneybun> yep
[02:35] <smartboyhw> ahoneybun: That'll do…
[02:35] <ahoneybun> smartboyhw:  why the "...":
[02:35] <smartboyhw> ahoneybun: Why not the "…"?
[02:36] <ahoneybun> yea
[02:38] <ahoneybun> littlegirl: I guess we need some brainstorming
[02:47] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Okay, but that sounds like a group thing - maybe for one of those meetings you guys hold. (:
[02:48] <ahoneybun> well Darkwing is busy with his kids
[02:50] <ahoneybun> I do wish to have another meeting
[02:57] <valorie> o/
[02:57] <ahoneybun> valorie: hey!
[02:58] <valorie> meeting sounds like a good thing, but there is no hurry, imo
[02:58] <valorie> hi
[02:59] <valorie> we've got the list -- it's a bit slower that way, but aside from ever more linking to the ubuntu and KDE sources, I think we have the bulk of what we need, done
[02:59] <ahoneybun> valorie: I think we should have another soon to look at where we are and where we want to go now
[02:59] <valorie> right, but we can proceed on the list
[02:59] <valorie> it's summer now, and things will move more slowly
[03:00] <ahoneybun> no one talks back on the list
[03:00] <valorie> it's the nature of foss projects
[03:00] <valorie> that's ok
[03:00] <ahoneybun> I'm a bit more available
[03:00] <valorie> we've got a LOT done now
[03:01] <valorie> and I think we have a good working relationship now
[03:01] <littlegirl> Nice to meet you, valorie. (:
[03:01] <valorie> hi again, littlegirl
[03:01] <valorie> I've been around forever
[03:01] <valorie> welcome back
[03:02] <littlegirl> Oh, hehe, sorry about that. My life has been very upside down lately and I've been away from the computer for quite some time. (:
[03:02] <littlegirl> And thanks. (:
[03:03] <ahoneybun> I guess I'm just looking for more to do
[03:03] <ahoneybun> valorie: you think we got a lot done?
[03:03] <valorie> yes
[03:03] <valorie> one suggestion I have is to hang out in #kubuntu and maybe the forums, and notice what common questions come up
[03:04] <valorie> we should answer those; maybe in the form of an FAQ, or maybe we've already covered them
[03:04] <ahoneybun> valorie: I added the ppa from #kubuntu
[03:04] <valorie> not bugs, but just common questions
[03:04] <valorie> the ppa from #kubuntu?
[03:04] <ahoneybun> valorie: someone was aasking about it
[03:04] <valorie> not sure what you are referring to, or on what page.....
[03:04] <ahoneybun> in there
[03:05] <ahoneybun> there was nothing about ppas in any of our work so far
[03:05] <ahoneybun> I saw someone was having problems with ppa
[03:05] <ahoneybun> so littlegirl and I added that
[03:05] <valorie> oh, you mean you added to the managing repository page because of a question that was asked in #kubuntu?
[03:05] <valorie> cool
[03:06] <valorie> I read backlog, but sometimes lack context
[03:06] <ahoneybun> it was missing ppa info
[03:06] <valorie> yes
[03:06] <valorie> not that we advocate their use, for beginners especially
[03:07] <valorie> but as people go along, sometimes they need backports, or betas
[03:08] <ahoneybun> yea
[03:09] <valorie> also, offering support in #kubuntu is good for those who plan on becoming Kubuntu Members
[03:09] <valorie> :-)
[03:09] <valorie> and on the forums as well
[03:10] <ahoneybun> valorie: I never liked forums too much
[03:10] <ahoneybun> hard to find things to help out in
[03:10] <ahoneybun> I love IRC though
[03:10] <valorie> well, that is the major way new people find us
[03:11] <valorie> because google sends them there -- forums along with our documentation
[03:11] <valorie> I think it's hard here because we don't have a bot which announces new questions
[03:11] <ahoneybun> is there going to be a docs.kubuntu.org?
[03:12] <valorie> for instance, in #amarok, every new Amarok forum post is announced by a bot
[03:12] <ahoneybun> that is cool
[03:12] <valorie> ahoneybun: that's a worthwhile question
[03:12] <ahoneybun> yea
[03:13] <valorie> there are wibbly sort of plans for our own kubuntu server
[03:13] <valorie> where we could install our own wiki
[03:13] <ahoneybun> I have heard about it before
[03:13] <valorie> or whatever we like
[03:14] <valorie> but when you feel that we're 'nearly there' -- bring it up to the -devel list, and see if you can get the Council to make that happen
[03:15] <ahoneybun> do you feel we are nearly there?
[03:15] <valorie> I do
[03:16] <ahoneybun> you are part of the council
[03:16] <valorie> what else do you think we need to help our our new users?
[03:16] <valorie> I am indeed
[03:16] <ahoneybun> do we have a part about installing new languages?
[03:16] <valorie> and what else do you think we need to help people find our docs?
[03:17] <ahoneybun> I'm not to sure what we can do about that on our part
[03:17] <valorie> what exactly do you mean by installing new languages?
[03:17] <ahoneybun> just thinking out loud
[03:17] <ahoneybun> setting up a pc for a new user
[03:17] <valorie> do you mean changing from Eng. to something else in the install process?
[03:18] <ahoneybun> maybe have a install thing to walk them though the install process?
[03:18] <valorie> it might be cool to have an Installation page/s
[03:18] <valorie> yes, exactly
[03:18] <valorie> lots of images
[03:19] <ahoneybun> that could be one page
[03:19] <valorie> perhaps even mostly the slides used on the DVD/usb
[03:19] <ahoneybun> but a main page
[03:19] <ahoneybun> making a dvd/usb
[03:19] <ahoneybun> ?
[03:19] <valorie> I think that would be helpful for people deciding whether or not to install
[03:19] <valorie> if they see the entire process, it seems very non-scary
[03:20] <ahoneybun> yes
[03:20] <valorie> and we can do links to the fiddly bits like installing beside windows
[03:20] <ahoneybun> just how to get the images
[03:20] <valorie> etc.
[03:20] <valorie> those are all available, but I don't know where
[03:20] <valorie> the list will know though
[03:21] <ahoneybun> google to the rescue
[03:21] <valorie> we looked before, as i recall, but I didn't find them
[03:22] <valorie> I especially would have appreciated a guide to reinstalling over a hosed install, next to windows, using an SSD
[03:22] <ahoneybun> valorie: http://www.google.com/imgres?client=ubuntu&hs=YN1&sa=X&channel=fs&biw=1920&bih=901&tbm=isch&tbnid=B8BJCph1sCpnlM:&imgrefurl=http://www.webupd8.org/2013/04/see-whats-new-in-kubuntu-1304-raring.html&docid=OlL0qgNJNfn5SM&imgurl=http://img.netupd8.com/kubuntu-13.04-installer.png&w=1022&h=766&ei=L4y6UYjUJ4bU8wSljoGADA&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:8,s:0,i:106&iact=rc&page=1&tbnh=182&tbnw=243&start=0&ndsp=32&tx=191&ty=93
[03:22] <valorie> because my other laptop is still unusable
[03:22] <ahoneybun> sorry
[03:22] <ahoneybun> http://img.netupd8.com/kubuntu-13.04-installer.png
[03:22] <valorie> until I get my son to fix either grub, the fstab file, or the bios
[03:22] <valorie> not sure what exactly needs fixing
[03:23] <valorie> well, I'd like to see all the slides
[03:23] <ahoneybun> yes I know
[03:23] <valorie> our artwork is so great!
[03:25] <ahoneybun> the installer?
[03:25] <ahoneybun> valorie: http://www.webupd8.org/2013/04/see-whats-new-in-kubuntu-1304-raring.html
[03:26] <valorie> that does have some of them
[03:26] <valorie> and that's a good website, for sure
[03:28] <ahoneybun> I could just use a VM to get the images lol
[03:28] <valorie> anyway, that website author found the slides somewhere
[03:28] <valorie> so can we
[03:28] <valorie> they are in the ISO, for starters
[03:29] <valorie> which means, to me, that they are in a file on launchpad somewhere
[03:29] <valorie> the packagers will know where
[03:30] <ahoneybun> I could just take them from the installation of the iso in a VM ;)
[03:31] <valorie> ok
[03:32] <ahoneybun> got them all :)
[03:33] <valorie> cool
[03:34] <valorie> obviously they all need to be shrunk to a more reasonable size
[03:35] <ahoneybun> yea
[03:35] <valorie> I was thinking it would be cool to have one image per page, and have a link at the bottom of each, after any necessary text, to just go forward and back
[03:35] <valorie> just like the actual install process
[03:36] <valorie> and make sure any links to outside pages are in a new tab, rather than navigating people away
[03:36] <ahoneybun> not sure about the new tab thing
[03:37] <ahoneybun> check trello and lay it out
[03:37] <valorie> I know when I'm doing something for the first time, I like to be able to get aquainted with the new thing as much as possible
[03:37] <ahoneybun> so a main to link to the subpages
[03:37] <ahoneybun> like
[03:37] <valorie> I'd like to make fed-up Windows users comfortable
[03:37] <valorie> to make this their first Linux
[03:37] <valorie> wouldn't that be great?
[03:37] <smartboyhw> Hey valorie
[03:38] <valorie> hi smartboyhw
[03:38] <valorie> how are you?
[03:38] <ahoneybun>  /Install/DiskSetup
[03:38] <ahoneybun>  /Installing/DiskSetup
[03:51] <valorie> I think we lost littlegirl
[03:55] <ahoneybun> seems
[03:55] <ahoneybun> valorie: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Installing
[03:56] <valorie> nifty!
[03:56] <ahoneybun> refresh the page
[03:57] <valorie> it seems shrunken a bit too much
[03:57] <ahoneybun> and then click the image
[03:57] <ahoneybun> I had to scale with gimp
[03:57] <ahoneybun> that opens the full image
[03:57] <valorie> yeah
[03:57] <ahoneybun> yep :)
[03:58] <valorie> what percentage did you shrink it?
[03:58] <valorie> I'm just wondering if either a bit more or less would be more clear
[03:58] <valorie> see how the fonts look funky?
[03:58] <ahoneybun> I know
[03:58] <ahoneybun> I made the width 550px then the height resized
[03:58] <valorie> worth playing with a bit
[03:59] <valorie> because we could do 600 or 500 and it might look better
[03:59] <valorie> with 600, centered
[03:59] <ahoneybun> 725 and it still looks a but funky
[04:00] <valorie> try an even number
[04:00] <valorie> sometimes odd numbers do that
[04:01] <valorie> what is the raw size width?
[04:01] <valorie> gads, need the rest of my dinner
[04:01] <valorie> back in a min
[04:04] <ahoneybun> k
[04:28] <valorie> any luck with other sizes?
[04:31] <ahoneybun> not really
[04:35] <valorie> oh, well
[04:35] <valorie> aren't the originals svgs?
[04:37] <ahoneybun> no
[04:37] <ahoneybun> png
[04:37] <ahoneybun> working on it
[04:40] <valorie> k
[04:44] <ahoneybun> I think would I could
[04:44] <ahoneybun> I did my best
[04:47] <valorie> I wonder why the ISO has png instead of svg
[04:47] <valorie> very odd
[04:47] <ahoneybun> no
[04:47] <ahoneybun> I took a snapshot
[04:47] <valorie> why?
[04:47] <ahoneybun> thought that was best
[04:47] <valorie> we have access to the originals
[04:47] <ahoneybun> oh
[04:48] <valorie> sec
[04:57] <ahoneybun> brb
[04:59] <ahoneybun> back
[05:02] <valorie> I'm working on a short para to kick off the series of slides
[05:04] <ahoneybun> oh where are the images at
[05:04] <valorie> I thought you were getting the raw images off the ISO
[05:05] <valorie> if not, then I would look on launchpad
[05:06] <ahoneybun> can't find them on the iso
[05:06] <valorie> I wouldn't know how to do that either
[05:11] <valorie> ahoneybun: https://launchpad.net/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[05:11] <valorie> looks like they can just be checked out like anything else
[05:12] <ahoneybun> that is ubuntu though
[05:12] <valorie> Provides the slideshows that are shown while installing Ubuntu, Kubuntu and other....
[05:13] <ahoneybun> I see
[05:18] <ahoneybun> I can't copy them from there well without coping the branch
[05:20] <valorie> sure
[05:20] <valorie> I figured that the branch would have to be checked out, yeah
[05:30] <valorie> added my text
[05:30] <valorie> just a suggestion
[05:31] <ahoneybun> what text?
[05:32] <valorie> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Installing
[05:32] <valorie> at the top
[05:33] <ahoneybun> nice
[05:34] <ahoneybun> I'm off for the night, I will post to the list later
[05:37] <valorie> cool
[05:37] <valorie> thanks for your work, ahoneybun
[05:38] <valorie> funny how we had the same idea at the same time
[06:04] <soee> good morning
[08:37] <Riddell> hmm, I'm not convinced any of these are ours http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20130614-saucy.html#kubuntu
[08:38] <wgrant> kubuntu inherits the seeds that contain them.
[08:51] <seaLne> something that might be worth adding to the todo list when releasing packages of new kde releases would be updating http://community.kde.org/KDE_SC/Binary_Packages i added .3 and .4, not sure how many people would look there but i think it looks good to have kubuntu listed
[08:52] <valorie> good thought, seaLne
[08:52] <seaLne> and its easier now, as the list used to be in svn with special permissions needed to update
[08:54] <valorie> gosh, the major releases of Kubuntu are all still available
[08:54] <valorie> we could expand that list a LOT
[08:54] <valorie> probably not very useful though
[08:57] <Riddell> seaLne: thanks added to ninjas
[08:58] <Riddell> shadeslayer: how is 4.10.80 doing?
[08:58] <Riddell> "SDO Needs updating" shadeslayer what's SDO?
[08:59] <Riddell> http://kyofel.dyndns.org/kubuntu/build_status_4.10.80_saucy.html  hmm could be worse I guess
[08:59] <mck182> sdo = shared desktop ontologies
[09:06] <Riddell> ah hah
[09:26] <yofel> queeestion: why does debian have kde-sc-dev-latest again?
[09:26] <yofel> Only reason I can think off is to prevents having to manually do rebuilds if like kdepimlibs disables a feature because kdelibs is too old which leads to other packages not building something as well
[09:28] <Riddell> so they only have to update one entry in the Build-Depends: list rather than all of them?
[09:28] <yofel> hm, no. One ends up wrong linking too
[09:28] <yofel> Riddell: no, I meant why have it at all. But on second thought it makes sense
[09:29] <yofel> means I'll have to fix 4.10.80 though, as that has >= 4.10.4
[09:29] <Riddell> Quintasan: you know anything about libgadu?  is it still useful?  (it doesn't compile in saucy)
[09:35] <valorie> is gadugadu even working anymore?
[09:35] <Riddell> I don't know
[09:35] <valorie> I've never known a single person who made use of it
[09:35] <Riddell> it's only ever been popular in poland as I understand it
[09:35] <valorie> ah
[09:36] <Riddell> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadu-Gadu  yep still up says wp
[09:41] <yofel> shadeslayer: you only pushed kdelibs to bzr, right?
[09:41] <smartboyhw> Hey yofel, shadeslayer
[09:42] <yofel> *sigh*
[09:42] <yofel> morning smartboyhw
[09:42] <shadeslayer> yofel: nope, everything :(
[09:43] <shadeslayer> sorry about the screw up :/
[09:43] <yofel> shadeslayer: really o.O? I looked at kdepimlibs, konsole and kde-workspace and they don't have the changelog update...
[09:43] <shadeslayer> aha
[09:43] <shadeslayer> some of them were not pushed
[09:43] <shadeslayer> see notepad
[09:43] <shadeslayer> eh
[09:43] <shadeslayer> invoke-rc.d: initscript android-tools-adbd, action "start" failed.
[09:44] <yofel> mhm, you're right
[09:45] <yofel> meh
[09:45] <shadeslayer> yofel: so, how do we fix this screw up in a way that does not involve manually fixing each branch :(
[09:46] <yofel> shadeslayer: could you push whatever isn't pushed?
[09:47] <yofel> then simply running a small script over everything should work...
[09:48] <shadeslayer> yofel: everything is pushed, except the packages that were moved to manual, should I push those too?
[09:48] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer: You don't normally mess up do you? (Only I do…)
[09:48] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: yeah, I was doing multiple things yesterday
[09:48] <shadeslayer> and I managed to lose track of one thing in the madness that was yesterday
[09:49] <yofel> shadeslayer: they should simply not build, otherwise I need to put a changelog check into the script
[09:49] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer: Humans can't multitask (even if you DARE to think you can)
[09:50] <smartboyhw> You haven't watched National Geographic's "Test your brain" ...
[09:50] <shadeslayer> yofel: uh, for those manual packages debuild -S -sa doesn't even complete, and it's most likely because of patch failiures
[09:50] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: I keep thinking I can :/
[09:50] <yofel> shadeslayer: I know
[09:50] <smartboyhw> lol
[09:50] <smartboyhw> What's the prob here? 4.11 beta 1?
[09:51] <shadeslayer> yofel: right so, just make your script skip those packages?
[09:51] <yofel> smartboyhw: yeah, the initial upload of it went a bit wrong
[09:51] <shadeslayer> I've documented the list on the etherpad
[09:51] <smartboyhw> :(
[09:51] <yofel> hm...
[09:51] <yofel> true, I could just take the saucy package list, remove then and loop over the result
[09:51] <yofel> *them
[09:51] <shadeslayer> yep
[09:52] <yofel> I should have something done in ~2h, it's lunch time in a few min. here
[09:52] <shadeslayer> \o/ power
[09:52] <yofel> ^^
[09:52] <shadeslayer> yofel: np
[09:53] <yofel> Riddell: you didn't do any PPA-only work on 4.10.80 yet, right?
[09:54] <yofel> shadeslayer: on second thought... those packages should really be pushed even if they fail. Otherwise you need to do the dep update by hand as well...
[09:54] <yofel> (which is only really fine as long people remember to do it)
[09:55] <shadeslayer> okay, I'll push those as well
[09:55] <yofel> thanks!
[09:56] <yofel> I need to teach kubuntu-initial-upload to do the same
[09:57] <Riddell> yofel: nope
[09:57] <yofel> o
[09:57] <yofel> k
[09:58] <shadeslayer> yofel: all done
[09:58] <shadeslayer> oddly : Pushing kdeartwork
[09:58] <shadeslayer> No new revisions or tags to push.
[09:59] <yofel> oh, debcommit is run after bzr-buildpackage-ppa
[09:59] <yofel> so it didn't even commit
[10:00] <yofel> hm, then moving the package build part below committing and pushing should fix it
[10:06] <Riddell> new files in calligra beta, it is a beast http://paste.kde.org/773492/
[10:08] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Hurray!
[10:14] <soee> valorie, gadu gadu is/was most popular  instant messaging client here in Poland
[10:17] <Riddell> soee: library got fixed, gadu in kopete is safe :)
[10:29] <soee> Riddell, the kids in school will be happy :) they are using it most
[10:46] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:59] <shadeslayer> yofel: btw I saw a build dep on kde-sc-dev-latest this morning
[10:59] <shadeslayer> I was half asleep though, so I don't recall where I saw it
[10:59] <shadeslayer> didn't we get rid of that last cycle?
[10:59] <yofel> shadeslayer: probably slipped in with a merge, shouldn't have any effect though?
[11:00] <shadeslayer> I thought so too, just wanted to confirm if we are still using that
[11:17] <soee> hmm you should give public access to ninjas notes, now i dont know how 4.11 beta builds :<
[11:18] <shadeslayer> it is public
[11:18] <shadeslayer> you just have to signup on identity.kde.org
[11:18] <shadeslayer> and http://kyofel.dyndns.org/kubuntu/build_status_4.10.80_saucy.html
[11:20] <soee> why i cant use custom nickname ?
[11:21] <shadeslayer> custom nickname where?
[11:21] <shadeslayer> on i.ko?
[11:21] <yofel> ask kde sysadmins...
[11:21] <soee> shadeslayer, it generates few option bye first and second name i entered
[11:21] <soee> but there is not option to use custom one :<
[11:22] <shadeslayer> thats how it works :P
[11:22] <soee> thats bad :/
[11:58] <shadeslayer> alright, our first autopilot test : lp:~rohangarg/+junk/autopilot
[11:59] <Quintasan> Riddell, valorie: Yeah, people still use gg in Poland
[11:59] <shadeslayer> just branch, cd into the autopilot dir and run autopolit run kubuntu
[11:59] <Quintasan> The question is how many IM cliets use that
[11:59] <Quintasan> Riddell: I can see kopete and ekg using that
[12:00] <shadeslayer> needs the default kicker in the panel + the kicker should have the shortcut of alt+f1
[12:28] <smartboyhw> Now now Riddell, which alpha are we not in this cycle?
[12:32] <Riddell> well we did say no alpha 2
[12:32] <Riddell> but it's being moved about and alpha 3 dropped
[12:32] <Riddell> so I expect we'll do both alphas
[12:37] <smartboyhw> Alpha 3 dropped?!
[12:37]  * smartboyhw misses too much during his exam.
[12:39] <Riddell> it's still in discussion on -release
[12:42] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Sure. Lubuntu has the same thought as you guys.
[12:42] <smartboyhw> That's what I heard from mailing lists.
[12:43] <ScottK> Riddell: Please let them know if it's OK with us to move Alpha 1 a week later on top of KDE 4.1 beta 2 or not.
[12:43] <Riddell> oh move alpha 1 as well
[12:44] <ScottK> OK.  Tell infinity/skaet/etc.
[13:02] <Riddell> hum
[13:02] <Riddell> alt+left arrow moves to the text virtual terminal
[13:02] <Riddell> that was scary,thought X had crashes
[13:02]  * shadeslayer needs ideas for ui testing
[13:02] <Riddell> shadeslayer: context?
[13:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: doesn't switch for me
[13:03] <shadeslayer> Riddell: writing autopilot tests
[13:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: saucy?
[13:03] <shadeslayer> but can't think of what exactly can I write for ui tests
[13:03] <shadeslayer> yes
[13:03] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+junk/autopilot
[13:04] <shadeslayer> wrote a simple test to see how one goes about writing autopilot tests, seems simple enough
[13:04] <shadeslayer> I started with rekonq, but rekonq doesn't support introspection I think
[13:04] <shadeslayer> Dolphin does
[13:04] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer: \o/
[13:05] <smartboyhw> Hmm, let me really plan for the ISO testing Classroom session…
[13:05] <shadeslayer> wrote a test_dolphin.py : http://paste.kde.org/773594/
[13:05] <shadeslayer> though I can't quite figure out what methods the app proxy supports
[13:11] <shadeslayer> yofel: news on 4.11 fixes
[13:12] <shadeslayer> ah, seems like you pushed to bzr already?
[13:14] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: go write tests :P
[13:16] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer: I don't write autopilot tests...
[13:18] <yofel> shadeslayer: brr, errored out on kdeplasma-addons, I'll upload what I have and re-run it
[13:18] <shadeslayer> okay
[13:18] <yofel> (rsync failed for some reason...)
[13:20] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[13:42] <Riddell> shadeslayer: is there a new shared-desktop-ontologies ?
[13:42] <shadeslayer> yes
[13:42] <Riddell> oh yes there is
[13:42] <shadeslayer> needed by 4.11
[13:43] <yofel> that's already in saucy though
[13:43] <Riddell> this is confusing http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/oscaf/ doesn't show it
[13:43] <Riddell> and neither does this http://oscaf.sourceforge.net/
[13:43] <shadeslayer> odd
[13:43] <shadeslayer> vHanda: ^^
[13:44] <Riddell> but http://sourceforge.net/projects/oscaf/files/shared-desktop-ontologies/ does
[13:44] <Riddell> why is sourceforge using trac? aren't they direct competitors?
[13:44] <shadeslayer> probably just not announced on the site
[13:44] <vHanda> Please use this - http://sourceforge.net/projects/oscaf/
[13:44] <vHanda> Riddell: beats me - Sourceforge allows using trac internally
[13:45] <vHanda> it's one of their internal options
[13:45] <vHanda> so I doubt they are competitors
[13:46]  * vHanda will ask trueg to update the other pages as well
[13:53] <shadeslayer> yofel: I've retried kde4libs as well
[13:53] <shadeslayer> since attica was updated
[13:58] <yofel> shadeslayer: could you update-the build-dep? Just so it ends up in dep-wait for the backports instead of failing
[13:59] <shadeslayer> will do
[14:02] <yofel> thanks
[14:08] <shadeslayer> yofel: done
[14:09] <yofel> shadeslayer: thanks!
[14:09] <yofel> yay, done here too
[14:10] <shadeslayer> nepomuk-core needs a bit of fixing too
[14:13] <therazr> sorry folks but what is the best kubuntu release for a new install? 12.04 or 13.04? thank you
[14:14] <smartboyhw> 12.04 definitely
[14:14] <therazr> smartboyhw: why? thanks
[14:14] <therazr> because it is LTS, doesn't it have older packages? like kernel version and such
[14:15] <smartboyhw> It's supported for a much longer time and is stable (and you can install new kernels in 12.04.2, it includes newer kernels)
[14:16] <smartboyhw> Don't forget, 13.04 is there for 9 months ONLY.
[14:16] <therazr> smartboyhw: So when 13.10 comes out I can't upgrade from 12.04 to 13.10 but I can upgrade from 13.04 to 13.10 right?
[14:16] <therazr> And when a new LTS comes out, should I upgrade directly from 12.04?
[14:17] <smartboyhw> This discussion should happen in #kubuntu actually…
[14:17] <shadeslayer> I don't see why you can't upgrade from 13.04 to 13.10
[14:18] <therazr> shadeslayer: I said I could, not from 12.04 though
[14:18] <Riddell> therazr: correct
[14:18] <Riddell> therazr: which is best to install depends on your needs, ask in #kubuntu for more help
[14:18] <shadeslayer> oh okay, I read that wrong
[14:19] <therazr> I'll ask there :), sorry
[14:25] <Quintasan> Riddell: If it doesn't compile and needs some work I think I can pester the developer of that to update if he is still planning to work on that
[14:25] <Quintasan> talking about libgadu
[14:26] <Riddell> Quintasan: it got fixed
[14:26] <Quintasan> Oh
[14:26] <Quintasan> I see.
[14:26] <Riddell> so problem over
[14:27] <Quintasan> The last update was last year so I was kind of wondering if the development is still going on
[14:27] <Riddell> shadeslayer: need any help on 4.10.80?
[14:27] <Riddell> I see lots of dep waits
[14:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: should be sorted once kde4libs is done building
[14:28] <therazr> Is KDE5 coming with Kubuntu 14.04?
[14:28]  * Quintasan goes back to books
[14:28] <shadeslayer> dunno, I'd rather not drop KDE5 on an LTS
[14:28] <ScottK> therazr: KDE5 isn't really what it will be and probably not.
[14:29] <shadeslayer> maybe as a tech preview in a PPA
[14:29] <therazr> ScottK shadeslayer and how is KDE going to support Mir since it's what Ubuntu chose?
[14:29] <Riddell> therazr: project neon is working on early packages now
[14:29] <shadeslayer> therazr: it won't
[14:29] <shadeslayer> therazr: it'll support wayland / X11 / whatever upstream decides to do
[14:29] <smartboyhw_> therazr: We won't use Mir (for sure) …
[14:29] <Riddell> shadeslayer: how come lots are green and lots of dep wait on 4.10.80?  were build-deps not updated?
[14:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: Minor screw up
[14:30] <therazr> smartboyhw_: Are we having proprietary drivers support? graphics drivers
[14:30] <ScottK> therazr: One of three things happens: Mir is compatible with what KDE is doing, we (Kubuntu team) figure out how to integrate it), or Kubuntu dies.
[14:30] <smartboyhw_> lol
[14:30] <therazr> ScottK: are you serious? Can't you use Xserver or Wayland?
[14:30] <ScottK> smartboyhw_: Not kidding.
[14:31] <Riddell> that reminds me,I should start a conversation about flavours and Mir on ubuntu-devel mailing list
[14:31] <ScottK> therazr: In the long run, not really.
[14:31] <ScottK> Long run is measured in years though.
[14:31] <smartboyhw_> therazr: They will kill Wayland one day (for sure)
[14:31] <therazr> I Think Mark Shuttleworth would not be very happy to have KDE/Xfce and all the others dropped from Ubuntu
[14:31] <Riddell> I expect us to use Wayland in the long run
[14:31] <smartboyhw_> Riddell: Do it!
[14:31] <shadeslayer> what Riddell SAID
[14:32] <shadeslayer> erm
[14:32] <Riddell> smartboyhw_: who will kill Wayland?
[14:32] <shadeslayer> also depends on patchery to mesa
[14:32] <smartboyhw_> For Ubuntu Studio, that isn't much a problem, we are making multi-DE:P
[14:32] <Riddell> smartboyhw_: multi-DE?
[14:32] <smartboyhw_> Riddell: Ubuntu devs? (in 10 years?) In the Ubuntu archive?
[14:32] <ScottK> shadeslayer: That's why I think we end up figuring out how to integrate with Mir or the Mir people figure out how to maintain compatibility with the rest of the world.
[14:33] <smartboyhw_> Riddell: Yep, we are aiming for users to choose whatever desktop environment they want.
[14:33] <Riddell> I think figuring out how to integrate with Mir is unlikely
[14:34] <Riddell> finding the best way for Mir and Wayland to coexist is about the best we can hope for
[14:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ooh lots of blue now
[14:37] <yofel> blue because I just re-uploaded most of it, should be in dep-wait shortly
[14:46] <shadeslayer> hooray :)
[14:46] <shadeslayer> my WiFi is broken again
[14:47] <smartboyhw_> :(
[15:00]  * Riddell spams kubuntu-devel ML with merge requests
[15:01] <smartboyhw_> 404 Not found....:P
[15:01]  * smartboyhw_ is aiming for full mark in his computer literacy exam.
[15:03] <Riddell> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-June/037250.html  non-Unity flavours and Mir
[15:04] <smartboyhw_> I'm asking our flavour lead to review the Studio bits.
[15:07] <Riddell> ooh Mirv is a handy chap, was just looking to do qtwebkit and he's fixed it already :)
[15:08] <Riddell> murthy: how's the merges?
[15:12] <shadeslayer> new symbols on kde4libs
[15:12] <Riddell> there usually are
[15:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you taking care of it?
[15:13] <shadeslayer> yus
[15:13] <Riddell> yo da man
[15:15] <shadeslayer> I don't suppose you know off hand what optional=templinst means?
[15:15] <shadeslayer> I remember seeing documentation about it
[15:15] <shadeslayer> but Google can't find it
[15:16] <Riddell> it means there's a voodoo spell that'll shrink your head
[15:17] <ScottK> shadeslayer: If you ask nicely on #debian-qt-kde, probably svuorela or MoDaX can tell you.
[15:18] <shadeslayer> ack
[15:18] <shadeslayer> I'll do some more google magic before asking though
[15:18] <shadeslayer> I distinctly remember this being documented
[15:31] <shadeslayer> template instantiations
[15:31] <shadeslayer> it's sort of documented on the man page
[15:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer: which man page?
[15:45] <shadeslayer> dpkg-gensymbols
[15:48] <Riddell> "A  symbol  marked as optional can disappear from the library at any time and that will never cause dpkg-gensymbols to fail." jolly good
[15:48] <Riddell> obvious question is why have it at all in the symbols file
[15:50] <Riddell> groovy merges trello card all done except pykde which ScottK says he'll do when the time is right
[15:54] <shadeslayer> so it seems to me it's fine for template instantiation symbols can disappear
[15:55] <shadeslayer> and hence it doesn't cause ABI breakage
[15:55] <shadeslayer> just waiting for i386 to finish
[15:55] <Riddell> yep
[15:57] <ScottK> Now that 4.10.4 is in Experimental, I can probably do that.
[15:59] <Riddell> shadeslayer: "SRU soprano 2.9.2" is that still going to happen (am looking at trello items)
[15:59] <Riddell> I seem to remember it's not needed except for with 4.11? vHanda?
[15:59] <shadeslayer> I think upstream suggests using that one for supported versions
[16:00] <Riddell> apachelogger: "kmix leaks the memory" got a bug number for that?
[16:01] <Riddell> and isn't it in 4.10.3/4?
[16:02] <shadeslayer> okay, I've updated bzr
[16:02] <shadeslayer> will upload the package in a bit
[16:06] <Riddell> +       _silentlyCreateInitialWallet = walletGroup.readEntry("Silently Create Initial Wallet", false);
[16:06] <Riddell> do we want to turn that on by default in kwallet?
[16:06] <Riddell> I think we do
[16:13] <Riddell> ah harald already did it, moving to done
[16:14] <Riddell> shadeslayer: moved upload poppler to Done too
[16:18] <Riddell> agateau: you still plan to do bug 215383 ?
[16:24] <shadeslayer> ScottK: are the arm boxes still up?
[16:25] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Not at the moment.
[16:25] <shadeslayer> okay
[16:26] <ScottK> I need to do some eglibc magic to make it possible to use them for raring/saucy.
[16:26] <ScottK> I haven't had time.
[16:26] <ScottK> If someone needs to build for an older release, I can fire them back up next time I'm at home.
[16:26] <shadeslayer> nah, I needed saucy :P
[16:27] <shadeslayer> I'll just use emulation
[16:27] <shadeslayer> ScottK: what was the hardware called though?
[16:28] <ScottK> Efika MX Smarttop.
[16:28] <ScottK> No longer available though.
[16:28] <shadeslayer> right
[16:28] <shadeslayer> well, cheaper options now
[16:28] <shadeslayer> if you just want a arm builder
[16:28] <ScottK> Nah.  I got mine for free.
[16:28] <shadeslayer> haha
[16:29] <shadeslayer> I've had my eye on this one : http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php for some time :P
[16:29] <shadeslayer> as a home server
[16:33] <Riddell> mm I should set up a pandaboard so it's accessible
[16:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: can you explain this to me (or on trello card)? "/etc/grub/* contains Ubuntu exclusive handling"
[16:35] <soee> what was the page with 4.11 beta status for saucy ?
[16:37] <Riddell> soee: see https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas
[16:37] <shadeslayer> http://kyofel.dyndns.org/kubuntu/build_status_4.10.80_saucy.html
[16:38] <soee> +1 for shadeslayer :)
[16:38] <soee> +  0.5 for Riddell for good intentions :D
[16:38] <Riddell> hey, I was trying to help you learn how to find it! :)
[16:38] <shadeslayer> haha
[16:40] <soee> hmm my brother tries to copy cd with Nero and he failed :D i gave him k3b and hi did it with few clicks :)
[16:40] <soee> *tried
[16:45] <Riddell> ryanakca: http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/viewpoint/as-others-see-us-the-view-from-quebec.2012088963  the soverigntists see a nirvana while the federalists see drugs and poverty :)
[16:47]  * Riddell puts muon-discover on the images
[16:53] <ryanakca> Riddell: On that note, I had a bit of a chuckle the other day when the Quebec Health Minister announced: "Quebec will within the next two years be the first country to have digitised its health system at the national level." (http://argent.canoe.ca/nouvelles/sante-linformatisation-sera-completee-en-2015-28052013 , second paragraph) ;)
[16:54] <Riddell> the english wasted billions trying to do that
[16:55] <Riddell> still plenty of paper used in the scottish nhs, their computing stuff is hopelessly inefficient, maybe my NHS Hackday stint is the beginnings of change
[16:55] <shadeslayer> :D
[16:58] <genii> Hm, so they're already announcing they're a counry now?
[16:58] <genii> *country
[16:58] <ryanakca> I also think the miniter's editor forgot to run "sed -e 's/country/province/g;s/national/provincial/g'" before handing off the speech :D
[17:03]  * Riddell out
[17:10]  * shadeslayer pokes qemu to go faster
[17:17] <shadeslayer> hum
[17:17] <shadeslayer> #MISSING: 4:4.10.80# _ZNK8Analitza11PlotBuilder6createERK6QColorRK7QStringPNS_9VariablesE@Base 4:4.9.80
[17:17] <shadeslayer> that doesn't look good
[17:23] <ahoneybun> Riddell: maybe place links for now on the kubuntu.org/support
[17:25] <shadeslayer> oh my
[17:25] <shadeslayer> apol: ping
[17:25] <shadeslayer> apol: ef3fb2f79079a769612d2d377abc955be0f4ac55 in analitza , does that not break ABI?
[17:30] <shadeslayer> AFAICT PlotBuilder is a public class and you just changed the signature of the public function create
[17:30] <shadeslayer> correct me if I'm wrong :)
[17:46] <apol> shadeslayer: yes it does
[17:47] <shadeslayer> :)
[17:47] <shadeslayer> apol: please be bumping so version then ?
[17:49] <apol> uh
[17:49] <apol> i'll do that
[17:49] <shadeslayer> thx
[17:49]  * shadeslayer will monitor repo and use the patch for Kubuntu
[17:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: last I checked markey complained about it leaking but did not push for a fix in .10
[17:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: the grub stuff is for me :P
[17:52]  * apachelogger needs to give grub a detailed check for ubuntuism
[17:58] <Quintasan> lol
[18:00] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: should I finalize Monday for PA4 meeting?
[18:00] <Quintasan> hell no
[18:00] <Quintasan> At least not this monday
[18:00] <shadeslayer> bah :/
[18:01] <Quintasan> 17th, 19th and 24th = exams
[18:02] <shadeslayer> I might be going on vacation from 20th to 30th
[18:02] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: postpone to Akademy? :P
[18:02] <Quintasan> I'm not going to Akademy but we can do it online while you are there and have some free time
[18:03] <Quintasan> is yofel going to Akademy as well?
[18:03] <shadeslayer> we can do it during KDS
[18:03] <Quintasan> K
[18:06] <Quintasan> Mentlegen
[18:06] <Quintasan> well
[18:06] <Quintasan> As expected, asian input works after install out of box
[18:06] <Quintasan> Riddell: Can we switch to fcitx if I get proper QA done?
[18:07] <ScottK> Quintasan: Does it support all the same languages?
[18:07] <ScottK> Last I heard, it didn't.
[18:07] <Quintasan> ScottK: It does
[18:07] <Quintasan> We just didn't have a package for Anthy
[18:08] <Quintasan> And it turned out there are more backends now in saucy
[18:08] <ScottK> OK.
[18:08] <ScottK> That was my only objection.
[18:10] <Quintasan> plus it has better KDE intergration
[18:11] <Quintasan> unlike *cought* ibus*cough*
[18:12] <ScottK> Right.  I think it's a good idea now that it won't narrow our language support.
[18:12] <ScottK> It's more than just QA though.  IIRC there's some language pack related magic that would need updating.
[18:13] <Quintasan> I did that and apachelogger kind of fixed it, but now I know what I did wrong so that's out of the way
[18:13] <Quintasan> ScottK: That said I'm not thinking about saucy, more like saucy+1
[18:13] <Quintasan> Or even +2 but that would be the worst case
[18:13] <ScottK> OK.
[18:14] <Quintasan> Unless I get a lot of people for testing - saucy+1
[18:20] <shadeslayer> whaaaa
[18:20] <shadeslayer> make[4]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libQtWebKit.so', needed by `lib/libkdewebkit.so.5.11.0'.  Stop.
[18:20] <shadeslayer> !find /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libQtWebKit.so
[18:20] <shadeslayer> !find /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libQtWebKit.so saucy
[18:21] <shadeslayer> why this does not make any sense at all
[18:21] <shadeslayer> both libqtwebkit4 and libqtwebkit-dev are installed
[18:22] <shadeslayer> and it built fine in my chroot before I uploaded it
[18:26] <apachelogger> Quintasan, ScottK: if we are serious about input methods I think we need a whole set of ISO tests targetted at the entire l10n experience
[18:28] <Quintasan> apachelogger: As in testcases for iso.qa.ubuntu.com?
[18:29] <Quintasan> I think it's doable
[18:32] <shadeslayer> anyone on saucy?
[18:35] <apachelogger> Quintasan: yes
[18:36] <apachelogger> well, doesn't really matter, probably could be a less frequent test
[18:36] <apachelogger> but definitely something to run before release
[18:36] <genii> shadeslayer: Yup
[18:36] <shadeslayer> genii: on Kubuntu, when you lock the screen, are you also missing the 'switch session' button?
[18:37] <genii> shadeslayer: Lemme check
[18:37] <shadeslayer> genii: and can you suspend via the kickoff / homerun ?
[18:37] <shadeslayer> I had to install pm-utils to get the suspend button
[18:38] <shadeslayer> still no idea why it doesn't show a switch session button on the lock screen
[18:46] <yofel> Quintasan: FWIW, I'm going
[18:46] <genii> shadeslayer: I have classic menu... Anyhow, when I go K..  Leave...Lock... In same area as Lock under "Session" is also Logout and Save Session. Under "System" I have Sleep, Restart, Shutdown.  After I do Lock, on activity all there is is just: The session has been locked by username  box with username not editable, and a password text entry field.
[18:47] <shadeslayer> genii: no unlock button at the bottom?
[18:48] <shadeslayer> below the password field
[18:48] <genii> Yes, that too, sorry :)
[18:48] <shadeslayer> yofel: awesome, I can give you back your wifi dongle
[18:48] <shadeslayer> genii: and no switch session button?
[18:48] <genii> shadeslayer: None at all.
[18:48] <shadeslayer> okay, so that's just not me
[18:49] <shadeslayer> *not just me
[18:49] <yofel> shadeslayer: \o/ (I could actually use it for my raspberry pi now ^^)
[18:49] <genii> shadeslayer: Maybe if only one user logged in it doesn't show?
[18:49] <shadeslayer> genii: dunno, it appeared on raring just fine
[18:50] <genii> Hm.
[18:50] <shadeslayer> which is why I noticed it in the first place
[18:52] <yofel> hm...
[18:52] <yofel> about that
[18:52] <shadeslayer> *grumble* debootstrap can't work properly when the partition is mounted with nodev :/
[18:52] <yofel> upower always depended on pm-utils
[18:52] <shadeslayer> atleast for foreign arch's
[18:52] <yofel> in saucy, it depends on pm-utils | systemd-services
[18:52] <yofel> how did you get pm-utils removed?
[18:52] <shadeslayer> fun
[18:52] <shadeslayer> yofel: it was not on the install media
[18:52] <yofel> fun indeed
[18:52] <shadeslayer> I have systemd-services installed OTOH
[18:54]  * apachelogger wonders if Riddell will write up a summary of that very long thread he started
[18:54] <shadeslayer> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/pending/saucy-desktop-amd64.manifest
[18:54] <yofel> well, we do have to do the consolekit deprecation too, so maybe PM stuff needs attention as well
[18:54] <shadeslayer> manifest says systemd-services
[18:54] <apachelogger> yofel: I suggest you go upstream with consolekit crap
[18:54] <apachelogger> consolekit is deprected so using it in KDE software is not very nice
[18:55] <yofel> true, there's a trello pad somewhere, needs bugfiling
[18:57] <genii> shadeslayer: I went Switch User and logged a second one in to see if switching is then enabled on Lock.... it's not, stilll the same.
[18:58] <shadeslayer> genii: aha, so a bug possibly
[18:58] <shadeslayer> was the upstart user session stuff deployed?
[18:58] <shadeslayer> could be because of that?
[18:59] <shadeslayer> though I'm doubtful, because all that script did was run startkde
[19:00] <genii> Each of these users has saved session, those come up fine.
[19:02] <yofel> Riddell: wrt. Qt JS bug: that bug on LP talks about Qtwebkit, all references I have to mine are from Qt/QtScript
[19:03] <genii> shadeslayer: The weird thing was, looks like it locks your session automatically now if you Switch User. Because I did Switch user, it kicked me out to lightdm, I logged in secondary, then went Switch User from ther back to lightdm... then when I logged into the first user again, when desktop came up it was locked already
[19:03] <shadeslayer> oh yeah
[19:03] <genii> ( I don't usually use this feature so not sure what the regular behaviour is supposed to be)
[19:03] <shadeslayer> that's a bug I think
[19:03] <shadeslayer> that was in raring as well IIRC
[19:04]  * shadeslayer rages at tar
[19:04] <shadeslayer> stupid tar in the recovery
[19:04] <shadeslayer> tar: invalid tar magic
[19:04] <yofel> what the hell...
[19:04]  * yofel reads the mir thread...
[19:05] <ScottK> apachelogger: Makes sense.  And they need to be well enough written that people like me that know nothing about input methods can do the test.
[19:25] <shadeslayer> this build failiure makes no sense -.0
[19:25] <shadeslayer> -.-
[19:28] <shadeslayer> anyway, I'm sleeping, night
[19:32] <soee> hmm do you have problems playing youtube video in 2 separate tabs in latest firefox ?
[19:39] <genii> soee: On 21 if i have multiple youtube tabs then leave them and go do something else for a while, the plugin-container starts hogging resources until flash crashes.
[19:40] <genii> Then it recovers after a minute to 90 seconds and I can refresh the tabs and it plays again
[19:40] <soee> in my case only one video is played but not without problems, some strange things happen with it
[19:41] <genii> soee: If nvidia, maybe try disable vdpau/hardware acceleration in the player
[19:43] <genii> For a while, everyon in my videos looked like The Hulk and sometimes at wrong speed until i disabled it
[19:47] <soee> :)
[19:47] <soee> now it started to work oO
[19:50] <soee> context menu doesn't work
[19:50] <soee> i think ill back to chrome
[21:47] <ahoneybun_> Hello all
[21:53] <Riddell> hi ahoneybun_
[21:53] <ahoneybun_> Riddell: hello
[21:55] <ahoneybun_> Riddell: how's the 4.11?
[21:58] <Riddell> dunno shadeslayer and yofel were putting it through the system
[22:01] <ahoneybun_> Oh ok
[22:02] <ahoneybun_> So is there talk of our own server?
[22:04] <Riddell> not heard anyone else but I've sort of wanted one for a while but not got enough excuse for one
[22:04] <ahoneybun_> Just one in general or for the docs?
[22:05] <ahoneybun_> Also maybe place it at Kubuntu.org/support
[22:05] <Riddell> yep
[22:05] <ahoneybun_> Oh cool
[22:05] <Riddell> but we don't have any practical way to put it on the kubuntu.org server
[22:05] <ahoneybun_> Oh
[22:06] <ahoneybun_> Maybe have it docs.Kubuntu.org?
[22:06] <soee> what are requirements for such server ?
[22:06] <ahoneybun_> Not sure
[22:08] <ahoneybun_> Riddell: what are the requirements?
[22:10] <Riddell> dunno, not much
[22:10] <Riddell> ability to ssh in and run apache
[22:10] <Riddell> bytemark would be a good candidate
[22:10] <Riddell> they might even give us one for free
[22:13] <ahoneybun_> Can a raspberry pi run it?
[22:14] <ahoneybun_> Riddell: I could run it on there
[22:14] <Riddell> it could but it wouldn't be very reliable
[22:16] <yofel> ahoneybun_: 4.11 coming along slowly, see ninja pad
[22:16]  * yofel put the full package split list there now
[22:18] <ahoneybun_> yofel: thanks ^^
[22:18] <Riddell> I'll ask bytemark if they can do us a server
[22:19] <ahoneybun_> Riddell: sweet I'll help where I can ^=^
[22:39] <valorie> do we have a sysadminish person to care for a server?
[22:39] <valorie> and will canonical sysadmins play well with us
[22:40] <ahoneybun_> valorie: I can try
[22:40] <ahoneybun_> ;)
[22:41] <valorie> have you administered a server before?
[22:41] <ahoneybun_> A bit on my raspberry pi
[22:42] <ahoneybun_> I would love to learn
[22:44] <valorie> you might hang out in #kde-sysadmin and hear what it's like to run a huge system
[22:44] <ahoneybun_> Yea
[22:44] <valorie> I think we'll need at least two people
[22:44] <valorie> this is high-volume compared to a personal server on a pi
[22:45] <ahoneybun_> Agreed
[22:45] <ahoneybun_> I can put it on a old p4
[22:45] <valorie> the amarok team finally gave up their server and moved everything to KDE infra
[22:46] <valorie> because it was too hard for the sysadmins to keep up
[22:46] <valorie> I would think we get at least as heavy use as Amarok was
[22:46] <valorie> I think putting anything on an old p4 is a bad idea
[22:47] <valorie> we need professional equipment, and people will enough time to do proper monitoring, etc.
[22:47] <valorie> which is why we've never had a server of our own up till now
[22:47] <soee> what would you like to have on such server ?
[22:47] <soee> and you are talking about dedic, vps, shared ?
[22:48] <valorie> we've been talking about having docs there
[22:48] <valorie> and now some support stuff
[22:48] <ahoneybun_> Oh well I have time during the Summer but I can make time
[22:48] <valorie> since it's doubtful canonical would like another company to be supported on their servers
[22:49] <ahoneybun_> This is for the docs
[22:49] <valorie> I'm just trying to say, ahoneybun_, that this is a much bigger scale than you might realize
[22:49] <ahoneybun_> I know
[22:50] <ahoneybun_> I realize that now but still would like to try it
[22:50] <bkerensa> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/06/14/certificates-for-ubuntu-members/
[22:50] <bkerensa> Now we need Kubuntu Certs
[22:50] <bkerensa> ;p
[22:52] <ahoneybun_> bkerensa: members?
[22:52] <valorie> nice
[22:52] <valorie> bkerensa: have you applied for yours?
[22:53] <bkerensa> valorie: I did
[22:53] <valorie> cool
[22:53] <bkerensa> ahoneybun_: yar
[22:53] <valorie> I can just imagine mark gritting his teeth as he signs yours
[22:53] <ahoneybun_> Cool so Kubuntu members would get that?
[22:53] <valorie> :-)
[22:53] <valorie> yes, ahoneybun_
[22:53] <soee> http://elv13.wordpress.com/2013/06/14/sflphone-kde-1-2-3-released/
[22:53] <ahoneybun_> Cool
[22:53] <valorie> sec
[22:54] <bkerensa> valorie: I can see jono gritting his teeth when he sees the request heh ;p
[22:54] <bkerensa> is ok though ;)
[22:55] <ahoneybun_> valorie: I still want to be a member btw
[22:55] <bkerensa> ahoneybun_: idk how that works I believe its limited to Ubuntu Members there was no mention of flavors
[22:55] <bkerensa> ahoneybun_: I would e-mail Michelle or ask Jono
[22:56] <ahoneybun_> bkerensa: cool but I would still want to be a member
[22:56] <jono> bkerensa, I never grit my teeth
[22:56] <jono> I am English, my teeth might fall out if I grit them :-)
[22:56] <bkerensa> jono: its not a good practice ;p
[22:56] <bkerensa> LOL
[22:56] <jono> :-)
[22:56] <ahoneybun_> bkerensa: jono bacon? But I'm almost 1 1/2 months in
[22:56] <jono> ahoneybun_ yup
[22:57] <valorie> ahoneybun_: when one gets kubuntu membership, that is also ubuntu membership
[22:57] <ahoneybun_> jono:  I have only been helping for over a month
[22:57] <jono> ahoneybun welcome! :-)
[22:57] <jono> and thanks for your contributions :-)
[22:58] <bkerensa> ahoneybun_: so per jono ^ Kubuntu Members can get one
[22:58] <ahoneybun_> jono: thanks and NP :-) I would like membership status
[22:58] <valorie> anyway: my last word on a server - if it will be crappy in any way, we shouldn't do it at all
[22:58] <ahoneybun_> If I can
[22:58] <ahoneybun_> valorie: agreed
[22:58] <valorie> nothing is better than crappy
[22:58] <bkerensa> valorie: servers are always crappy... you have to maintain them and such
[22:59] <bkerensa> ;)
[22:59] <ahoneybun_> bkerensa: even without I want membership
[22:59] <ahoneybun_> Lol
[22:59] <valorie> bkerensa: I think you lack a bit of context; my point was top-notch support
[22:59] <ahoneybun_> bkerensa: valorie if I do it I would make it the best I could
[22:59] <bkerensa> valorie: yar :) what would the server be used for?
[23:00] <valorie> our docs
[23:00] <valorie> mostly
[23:00] <valorie> moinmoin is really not a great wiki
[23:00]  * yofel has experience in how to not maintain a server
[23:00] <yofel> time's the bigger issue though
[23:00] <ahoneybun_> valorie: it lacks a few important features
[23:01] <valorie> my worry is that anything else without a lot of work won't be any better
[23:01] <yofel> wasn't it just the canonical installation that was missing features?
[23:01] <valorie> the KDE mediawiki instance, has a LOT of work into it
[23:01] <yofel> (of moinmoin)
[23:01] <valorie> theming, language/translation support
[23:02] <valorie> etc.
[23:02] <valorie> right now we have no language/translation support at ALL
[23:02] <ahoneybun_> yofel: as it might be too late to do it for this release
[23:02] <valorie> yofel: dunno
[23:02] <valorie> ahoneybun_: for sure
[23:02] <valorie> hurry isn't important
[23:02] <valorie> quality is all we want
[23:02] <yofel> ahoneybun_: too late for what? If it's just exporting, wouldn't c&p of the wiki pages to a local install work?
[23:03] <yofel> (images would be an issue ofc)
[23:03] <valorie> yofel: if we do just that, there is no point
[23:03] <ahoneybun_> valorie: Darkwing  wanted them HTML so it would export languages
[23:03] <valorie> in fact, it would be worse than what we have, because right now we have canonical support
[23:03] <yofel> valorie: I mean for the part that ends up on the install image
[23:04] <valorie> yofel: work on that has not yet begun
[23:04] <yofel> ok, then I'm quiet
[23:04] <ahoneybun_> yofel: that was the plan I believe then access over the internet for more work
[23:04] <valorie> Darkwing is in charge of that, and he's busy with his kids right now
[23:04] <ahoneybun_> More detail
[23:04] <ahoneybun_> Yea
[23:04] <valorie> right now we're just going wild on the wiki
[23:05] <ahoneybun_> Lil wild
[23:05] <valorie> the docs for the image will be a tiny subset of that
[23:05] <ahoneybun_> Yes
[23:06] <valorie> and we hope for excellent translation coverage of that, since it will be small and mostly unchanging
[23:06] <ahoneybun_> We hope for excellent everywhere valorie :)
[23:06] <valorie> right
[23:07] <valorie> I'm working for that on the wiki version too
[23:07] <ahoneybun_> I know laugh out load
[23:07] <ahoneybun_> Lol
[23:11] <ahoneybun_> valorie: can we host the wiki on KDE user base somehow?
[23:12] <valorie> we discussed that, as I recall, and came up with no answers
[23:12] <valorie> I think we would have to come up with a good proposal to KDE
[23:13] <juancarlospaco> was reading the package re-vamping proposal, interesting...
[23:13] <valorie> .... and might be better on Community
[23:13] <valorie> not sure
[23:14] <ahoneybun_> Yes
[23:14] <juancarlospaco> I hope they consider Binary Deltas and UDP based delivery protocol, because we are on 2013
[23:17] <ahoneybun_> Community.kde.org
[23:28] <valorie> right
[23:28] <valorie> sec, restarting after updates
[23:45] <valorie> ok, off for dinner and dad-night
[23:47] <yofel> usr/share/dbus-1/interfaces/org.kde.nepomuk.FileWatch.xml goes into nepomuk-core-dev, right?


[05:45] <canne> hi all :) anyone had issues setting up samba unique to 14.04 ? (ie: no issues with 13.* or 12.*)
[13:51] <Garrick1> !bonjour
[15:20] <Finetundra> how would one reinstall libvncserver?
[15:41] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Hi, I have this error that I was able to collect from dmesg: [   17.535173] [drm:parse_device_mapping [i915]] *ERROR* General definiton block child device size is too small.
[15:41] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Could you help me to understand what it means?
[15:42] <JohnnyComeL8ly> I was also wondering if that message points to why I keep getting artifacts in my DE.
[15:43] <JohnnyComeL8ly> The artifacts don't happen all the time, but they frequently happen over icons and text.
[16:06] <JohnnyComeL8ly> I have an Optiplex GX270  with a 865g iGPU.  (lspci entry) "VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)"
[16:07] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Is there something I haven't gotten you that you need to help me?
[16:59] <running_walker> if I have installed  both xserver-xorg-video-radeon, and xserver-xorg-video-vesa should I remove  xorg-video-vesa???
[17:00] <running_walker> or should I remove xorg-video-cirrus?
[17:00] <krytarik> running_walker: Why would you want that?
[17:01] <running_walker> I dont know should I have all of them installed or only one?
[17:03] <running_walker> if I want to run  xserver-xorg-video-radeon  should I remover the others or keep them?
[17:03] <krytarik> Nope, not necessary.
[17:04] <running_walker> ok but how do I know that xserver-xorg-video-radeon is used and not used another?
[17:10] <krytarik> running_walker: By running "lshw -C video" or "lspci -k | grep -A 3 VGA", for example.
[17:13] <running_walker> I use dual screen one is LVDS and the other is VGA
[17:13] <running_walker> which is the right command
[17:13] <running_walker> ?
[17:13] <krytarik> That's not about the output device, but the graphics one.
[17:53] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Did anyone see what I asked about?
[17:54] <JohnnyComeL8ly> You'll find it @ [10:41]
[17:55] <GranoSalis> hi
[17:56] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Hi.
[17:56] <GranoSalis> im having some problems with updating ma repositories
[17:56] <GranoSalis> after  apt-get update i get a bunch of 404 errors
[17:56] <JohnnyComeL8ly> That means that it can't connect to it....
[17:57] <JohnnyComeL8ly> It being the server[s].
[17:57] <GranoSalis> its surely because of me using lubuntu13... but im kinda stuck using it till the end of the week
[17:57] <GranoSalis> i tried the US server with no luck
[17:57] <GranoSalis> as well as my countrys server
[17:58] <wxl> GranoSalis: it *IS* because of that. once end of life hits, all the normal locations in the repos disappears.
[17:59] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Oh, okay, I was ignorant of that.... sorry.
[17:59] <GranoSalis> wxl: any way for me to upgrade to 15.04 from 13?
[17:59] <wxl> GranoSalis: yikes.
[18:00] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Just download the ISO, back up your files, and install the fresh 15.04
[18:00] <wxl> that's certainly one way
[18:00] <JohnnyComeL8ly> What's another?
[18:00] <GranoSalis> i hope there is one
[18:00] <wxl> digging
[18:01] <wxl> sadly i think that's going to be your best bet
[18:01] <GranoSalis> because all stores here that sell cd's and dvd's are closed and i cant find my usb drives
[18:02] <GranoSalis> seems like i have to find the usb drive
[18:02] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Ya better hope you have a fast internet connection, because you'll be there a while if you don't.
[18:02] <JohnnyComeL8ly> wxl: Do you know about graphics issues?
[18:03] <wxl> GranoSalis: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/upgrade
[18:03] <GranoSalis> waiting is not that big of a problem as is not having flash installed
[18:03] <wxl> JohnnyComeL8ly: to some very small degree. what's your problem?
[18:03] <JohnnyComeL8ly> I have this error that I was able to collect from dmesg: [   17.535173] [drm:parse_device_mapping [i915]] *ERROR* General definiton block child device size is too small.
[18:04] <JohnnyComeL8ly> GranoSalis: You should be able to get the ISO without using flash.
[18:04] <wxl> WILY WEREWOLF drm:parse_device_mapping [i915]] *ERROR* General definiton block child  device size is too small.
[18:04] <wxl> oops
[18:04] <wxl> wrong past
[18:04] <wxl> https://youtu.be/9IfgX-k7Hag
[18:04] <wxl> that's a weird problem JohnnyComeL8ly
[18:04] <wxl> do you have any other symptoms?
[18:05] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Yes, graphics get all choppy like... I'll try to get a snapshot.
[18:06] <wxl> JohnnyComeL8ly: looks like the fix is in the works but it might be some time before coming down the line to ubuntu. you may want to search for bugs and if there isn't a bug report, make one. http://patchwork.freedesktop.org/patch/45621/
[18:06] <wxl> in any case, this is *NOT* a *L*ubuntu problem, but an *U*buntu one
[18:07] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Okay, thanks.  Does it matter if I'm using VGA?
[18:08] <wxl> JohnnyComeL8ly: not totally sure, but i can't imagine it would. VGA is still pretty darn prevalent despite HDMI/DVI becoming increasingly popular.
[18:08] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Well, I'm using a Dell GX270 and all it has is a VGA.
[18:08] <GranoSalis> failed to download repository information
[18:08] <GranoSalis> i'll have to download the new release,thanks for the help
[18:09] <wxl> right, should be fine, JohnnyComeL8ly
[18:09] <wxl> GranoSalis: you sure your internet connection is working right and don't have any firewall issues of any kind?
[18:09] <wxl> JohnnyComeL8ly: when you get the bug report done, let me know and i'll try to help triage it
[18:10] <JohnnyComeL8ly> wxl: Where would I make the bug report?
[18:10] <wxl> !bugs | JohnnyComeL8ly
[18:11] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Okay.
[18:11] <krytarik> !eolupgrades | GranoSalis: This would be it
[18:11] <GranoSalis> sorry was afk
[18:11] <wxl> ooh good call krytarik
[18:13] <GranoSalis> krytarik: i'll try that,thanks
[18:13] <krytarik> GranoSalis: That'd still take a looong time though. :D
[18:14] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Better to get a fresh ISO, I think.
[18:15] <JohnnyComeL8ly> wxl: I looked through installed packages, and I can't tell which one gives me i915
[18:16] <GranoSalis> im really thinking about just going to sleep and paying a buck tomorrow  to get the ubuntu dvd from my local cd store :D
[18:16] <JohnnyComeL8ly> GranoSalis: Where are you, that you can do that?
[18:17] <GranoSalis> Bosnia
[18:17] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Does anyone know if they do that in the USA?
[18:19] <GranoSalis> we dont have any pirating laws so that kind of stores are popular here
[18:20] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Well, it isn't pirating...
[18:20] <GranoSalis> linux isnt but thousands of games are
[18:21] <GranoSalis> gotta fo,again thanks for the help
[18:22] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Hey, did you know my dad is Slovenian? (Not too far from Bosnia....)
[18:23] <GranoSalis> Its a nice country,i hope that i will have a chance to visit it in the near future
[18:25] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Yeah, I want to do that too.
[18:27] <wnickc> anyone ever had trouble adding online accounts?
[18:30] <wnickc> i can open the window but clicking "add account" does nothing
[18:50] <wxl> JohnnyComeL8ly: you figure it out?
[22:46] <Nairolf21> wxl : I'll be here for the session about LXQT
[22:47] <wxl> Nairolf21: great!
[22:47] <Nairolf21> have you seen the keynote ? Is it interessting to see it ?


[00:08] <valorie> cool!
 everything "landed" fine here... thanks again Rik!
[13:12] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[20:20] <santa_> good night everybody
[20:22] <santa_> RikMills: thanks for new plasma
[20:22] <santa_> I'll test asap
[20:22] <santa_> have you pushed to _archive already? :P
[20:24] <santa_> RikMills: another thing beyond plasma: I have seen a bunch of ktp-* packages failing to build in my latests test rebuilds, they are fixes in kde's git which I plan to get into the packages so you could upload ubuntu2 versions
[20:24] <santa_> they are 5 packages
[21:38] <santa_> ok, so:
[21:38] <santa_> - plasma tested, it works
[21:39] <santa_> - they are fixes in the staging branches for: ktp-accounts-kcm, ktp-call-ui, ktp-common-internals
[21:40] <santa_> also ktp-contact-runner and ktp-text-ui would fail to build in focal if not built against the fixed ktp-common-internals
[21:41] <santa_> so I didn't touch these two
[21:41] <santa_> RikMills @RikMills ↑
[21:51] <RikMills> santa_: thanks! I'll try to take a look in the morning
[22:38] <santa_> ack
[22:38]  * santa_ signs off, see you :)


[12:23] <ogra> you should see womething like: in.tftpd[2914] : tftp: client does not accept options
[12:23] <ogra> the ubuntu tftp netboot triggers such a message
[12:23] <racter> in syslog?
[12:23] <ogra> yes
[12:23] <racter> i grep'ed everything in /var/log for 'tftp' but nothing
[12:25] <ogra> probably cliebow has an idea, he's more familiar with the different ppc things you need to regard, i only every worked with one single ppc might be you need totally different options for yours
[12:26] <racter> got it - thx ogra
[12:26] <racter> i'll try to catch cliebow
[12:27] <ogra> also habve a look at wiki.ltsp.org for different dhcpd conf settings etc
[12:28] <ogra> it has some docs about ppc ... even these are for ltsp 4.2 much of the server side stuff applies
[12:35] <cliebow_> lynn-:i netboot powerpc
[12:35] <lynn_> we just booted an i386 thin-client successfully and we didn't see any tftp requests anywhere
[12:36] <racter> cliebow: what?
[12:36] <racter> oic you netboot powerpc?
[12:37] <lynn_> cliebow_, do you know anything about "can't read elf"?
[12:38] <lynn_> i mean the "can't read elf" error
[12:38] <lynn_> that we get when we try to netboot a ppc
[12:38] <cliebow_> no...but you should see what nfsroot it is trying to mount\
[12:39] <cliebow_> what ppc client anyway?
[12:39] <racter> it's a blue-ish g4 tower
[12:39] <racter> blue and gray
[12:39] <lynn_> blue-gray & dark grey
[12:41] <cliebow_> it seeems that would be the latest firmware...if you ctrl-optn-o-f you can  go to openfirmwaartre..but that wont give you any logging..you need to watch the servers logs..
[12:41] <cliebow_> or use ewiresshark'
[12:41] <racter> right - we're in openfirmware typing `enet:0` on the client
[12:42] <racter> on the server we can see that it is getting dhcp requests but nothing about tftp
[12:42] <cliebow_> boot enet:192.168.whaatever
[12:42] <racter> we were trying that before - like enet:<IP_ADDRESS>
[12:42] <racter> do we need to put a path there too?
[12:42] <cliebow_> racter..sometimes the position of yaboot and yaboot.conf is important
[12:43] <cliebow_> it seems sometimes important for those to be in the root of the tftp chroot..
[12:44] <racter> o ok - which would be /var/lib/tftpboot ?
[12:44] <cliebow_> if you use wireshark..cana you see 606 packets or so as if the kernel is loading?
[12:45] <racter> i'll install it now
[12:45] <cliebow_> like 31 nonsense packets..then dhcp..then the kernel coming down
[12:51] <racter> here's one "read request, file: /vmlinux, Transfer type: octet[Malformed Packet] "
[12:51] <cliebow_> like 31 of them?
[12:51] <racter> just one of those
[12:52] <cliebow_> oohh it ids loading the i386 jkernel
[12:52] <racter> and that's followed by a "file not found" tftp msg
[12:52] <racter> we'll try enet:<IP_ADDRESS>,yaboot
[12:52] <cliebow_> why not post your dhcpd.conf so i can see what you are using..perhaps pastebot.ltsp.org....use the dropdown to specify ltsp
[12:53] <cliebow_> even better maybe tyake this over there
[12:53] <racter> http://pastebot.ltsp.org/152
[12:54] <racter> ok - lynn+i are in that channel too
[12:54] <cliebow_> i wonder if your openfirmware is sending a different option 60
[12:56] <cliebow_> with wireshark you should be aable to see if the client is sending AAPLBSDPC as vendor class identifier
[12:57] <cliebow_> this i s an ubuntu server right? and you are looking at /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[12:57] <lynn_> hey, where in wireshark should we be looking?
[12:57] <lynn_> we never used it before this
[12:57] <cliebow_> should be a ble to Closely examine every packet
[12:58] <lynn_> o thanks
[12:59] <cliebow_> i have a g4 ibook here as a client
[12:59] <lynn_> kernel loaded, "can't claim malloc buffer" error
[12:59] <racter> ok we symlinked /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/powerpc/yaboot to /var/lib/tftpboot/yaboot and then booted the client enet:<IP_ADDRESS>,yaboot - now we are getting that malloc error
[01:00] <cliebow_> that is wierd...does wireshark show it is loading /yaboot?
[01:01] <racter> checking
[01:03] <racter> it looks like it is loading /yaboot
[01:03] <racter> and then choking with this malloc error
[01:04] <cliebow_> i have a demo setup here...sony ibook and ibook g4
[01:06] <cliebow_> i am  getting a wireshark outpit of successful boot to send you..and my dhcpd.conf
[01:07] <racter> great
[01:16] <cliebow_> racter:theoretically you can pick up that capture at <IP_ADDRESS>/applenetboot...like 12 meg of it..give it a minute to upload
[01:17] <racter> this is a capture i can load into wireshark?
[01:18] <lynn_> so no clue about the "malloc buffer" error?
[01:19] <lynn_> it looks like it loaded the kernel and then crashed for some reason
[01:19] <cliebow_> never saw that before.
[01:19] <cliebow_> are you looking at the wireshark capture?
[01:19] <lynn_> the machine became unresponsive and i had to reboot
[01:20] <lynn_> jake is
[01:20] <lynn_> i mean racter is
[01:20] <cliebow_> it is up  thereyou shhould bee able to file..open that with wireshark
[01:20] <racter> so i see yours is requesting /ltsp/powerpc/yaboot
[01:21] <racter> we'll try enet:<IP_ADDRESS>,ltsp/powerpc/yaboot
[01:22] <cliebow_> perhaps..this an ubuntu,right? and you are using /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf..
[01:23] <racter> ya
[01:24] <lynn_> one machine gives us a malloc error and the other says "unknown or corrupt filesystem"
[01:24] <lynn_> two different errors using the same command
[01:24] <racter> both in yaboot 1.3.13 but on different machines
[01:24] <lynn_> a g3 & a g4
[01:25] <cliebow_> something is really wonky..
[01:25] <cliebow_> wanna post yaboot.conf?
[01:25] <racter> from the server?
[01:25] <racter> ya
[01:26] <racter> http://pastebot.ltsp.org/153
[01:27] <racter> this was generated automatically by ltsp-build-client
[01:30] <cliebow_> can you verify that /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/powerpc/vmlinux is a simlink to
[01:30] <cliebow_> 2.6.20-12
[01:30] <cliebow_> etc etcx etc
[01:31] <racter> vmlinux-2.6.20-15-powerpc ya
[01:38] <cliebow_> i am unsure whether your error involves a corrupt yaboot  or vmlijnux
[01:39] <racter> maybe we should rebuild them?
[01:39] <cliebow_> you can try my yaboot if you like at <IP_ADDRESS>/yaboot.gz 9unzip it)
[01:39] <racter> ok
[01:39] <cliebow_> and 9i think) powerpckernel.feisty.tar.gz
[01:40] <cliebow_> dhcpd.conf is there as well
[01:40] <lynn_> thx
[01:41] <cliebow_> wish i could see just what is happening
[01:41] <racter> that kicked us back out to open firmware
[01:41] <racter> weird!
[01:42] <cliebow_> i am just holding down the n key at boot
[01:42] <racter> ok - we have yaboot on these machines from their current ubuntu installs
[01:45] <felipe__> Hello. Im trying to install School Tool on my system ( I have Ubuntu, not Edubuntu) but it says it depends on python 2.4 and python 2.5 is installed. i manually installed python 2.4 but still theres a problem of dependency on python 2.4
[01:45] <cliebow_> maybe it is getting a "senior moment" cause that machines dhcp discover packet has an option 60 different from AAPLBSDPC
[01:46] <lynn_> cliebow_, do you know what the "enet:0" command does exactly?
[01:47] <lynn_> in yaboot
[01:48] <cliebow_> not for sure...maybe a broadcast?
[01:49] <cliebow_> fwiw my old notes are in  http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/CpuArchitectures
[01:50] <lynn_> ok we'll take a look, thx
[01:50] <cliebow_> not mu ch help i guess
[02:09] <racter> * felipe__<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #edubuntu
 Hello. Im trying to install School Tool on my system ( I have Ubuntu, not Edubuntu) but it says it depends on python 2.4 and python 2.5 is installed. i manually installed python 2.4 but still theres a problem of dependency on python 2.4
 maybe it is getting a "senior moment" cause that machines dhcp discover packet has an option 60 different from AAPLBSDPC
 cliebow_, do you know what the "enet:0" command does exactly?
 in yaboot
 not for sure...maybe a broadcast?
 fwiw my old notes are in  http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/CpuArchitectures
 ok we'll take a n
[02:10] <felipe__> racter: ???
[02:15] <LaserJock> ogra: still up?
[03:10] <sbalneav> Evening all
[03:11] <LaserJock> hi
[03:12] <sbalneav> Hey LaserJock!
[03:14] <LaserJock> how's life up North?
[03:22] <sbalneav> Not too bad!
[03:22] <sbalneav> coding LDM2 :)
[03:24] <LaserJock> sweet
[03:24] <LaserJock> I'm finishing up a the lab for today
[03:25] <LaserJock> going to drive home and see about working on some dynamic menus
[03:28] <LaserJock> bbiab
[08:21] <highvoltage> Burgwork: "The wonderful people at O'Reilly and I".. that sounds quite funny :)
[08:40] <LaserJock> morning highvoltage
[08:42] <highvoltage> morning LaserZ
[08:57] <RichEd> hi highvoltage & LaserJock
[08:57] <LaserJock> morning RichEd
[08:59] <highvoltage> morning RichEd
[09:06] <highvoltage> win 12
[09:58] <RichEd> hi pips1 : give me 3 / 4 mins
[10:00] <pips1> perfect for me too
[10:11] <RichEd> pips1-ping
[10:19] <pips1> sorry I need 5 mins
[11:24] <RichEd> hi meduxa
[11:28] <meduxa> hi
[11:28] <RichEd> meduxa: can you see my msg window ?
[11:29] <meduxa> yes
[11:29] <meduxa> although i cannot answer, I think
[11:30] <pips1> meduxa: so you haven't registered your nick ?
[11:30] <meduxa> ups....nop
[11:30] <meduxa> I'll do it tomorrow
[11:30] <meduxa> today I'm full of work
[11:30] <pips1> right
[11:35] <meduxa><EMAIL_ADDRESS>or<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:35] <meduxa> my e-mail
[11:35] <RichEd> RichEd> hi there
 just a note to let you know where we are at this stage ... I'm busy laying out objectives for edubuntu and ubuntu-education for now until March 2008 ... and will be fleshing these out into action plans that support the objectives
 so within the next week, we can look at defining some concrete areas to work together
[11:35] <RichEd> that was it :)
[11:37] <meduxa> ok
[11:41] <pips1> meduxa, fyi, this chat is logged... so if you don't want to increase spam to your inbox you might want to obfuscate email addresses you post in here, fwiw :-)
[11:42] <meduxa> well it is impossible to recieve more spam ... but thanks, it is a good info
[11:42] <pips1> hehe
[11:42] <meduxa> I'll be aware next time
[02:09] <willvdl> ping ogra
[02:16] <pips1> willvdl: ping
[02:16] <pips1> ^^^
[02:18] <willvdl> pips1, pong
[02:52] <pips1> willvdl: just pinging you because ogra joined :-)
[03:03] <willvdl> pips1, thanks :)
[03:36] <RichEd> willvdl: ping
[03:37] <RichEd> willvdl: msg @ canonical
[03:40] <pinch150g> Is there anyone out there that could help me with a boot issue?
[03:41] <pips1> pinch150g: just ask the question :-) if anyone can answer it, they will...
[03:43] <pinch150g> When I boot from the 7.04 disc, I get a message that says the tty could not continue.  It happens with any selection I make from the bootscreen.  When I take off the quiet splash from the boot parameters, I see that it is trying to do something with the floppy
[03:44] <pinch150g> I have turned off the floppy, and that does not help
[03:44] <pinch150g> I have tried to add the Floppy parameter as so FLOPPY=16
[03:44] <pinch150g> It will not boot.  Any ideas?
[03:45] <ogra> pinch150g, the floppy shouldnt have anything to do with the failure
[03:45] <pinch150g> I have also tried putting a good disc in the floppy as I have seen on the ubuntu forums, and nothing works
[03:45] <ogra> did you do y CD selfcheck ?
[03:45] <fsgaston> I was wondering if anybody has LTSP working with Windows authentication and some processing done locally "fat client"
[03:45] <pinch150g> It won't boot into that either
[03:45] <ogra> pinch150g, so you dont get beyond the menua at all ?
[03:45] <pinch150g> I did the MD5 on the image and it checks out.
[03:47] <pinch150g> I get to the dmesg part but it freezes after it tries the floppy several times or it gets stuck.
[03:48] <pinch150g> I am running a dell precision 530 dual Xeon processors.
[03:48] <ogra> well, it surely has nothing to do with your floppy  ... but likely with the hw detection of the controller
[03:48] <pinch150g> Any ideas?
[03:48] <ogra> not really ...
[03:49] <ogra> does it boot in a different machine (if you have one around)
[03:49] <pinch150g> I can go to work and try it, but I used the AMD64 version of UBUNTU 7.04 at work yesterday with great success.  I have not tried this disc up there yet.
[03:50] <pinch150g> Is there a way to find drivers for this machine and load them with boot parameters?
[03:51] <ogra> try #ubuntu-ernel, they might know ;)
[03:51] <ogra> *kernel
[03:51] <pinch150g> thanks, I will
[04:00] <pips1> hi jinty
[04:20] <pinch150g> orga are you still there?
[04:21] <ogra> yep
[04:21] <ogra> even thugh the highlight works better if you flip the two middle letters in my nae ;)
[04:21] <ogra> *name
[04:21] <pinch150g> I can't get anybody to answer on the #ubuntu-kernel
[04:22] <pinch150g> sorry
[04:22] <pinch150g> :)
[04:22] <ogra> many of them are us westcoast ... so be patient, they might just get up
[04:22] <pinch150g> k
[04:23] <pinch150g> Here is my error if it helps.
[04:23] <pinch150g> I get the following error:
[04:23] <pinch150g> end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0 (Multiple Times)
[04:23] <pinch150g> then
[04:23] <pinch150g> /bin/sh: cant access tty; job control turned off
[04:23] <pinch150g> Then it hangs after
[04:23] <pinch150g> sr1: scsi3-mmc drive: 32x/32x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
[04:55] <LaserJock> ogra: good morning oliver :-)
[05:08] <pips1> a good day to you LaserJock and good evening
[05:09] <pips1> cu guys
[05:12] <RichEd> hi sbalneav
[05:12] <RichEd> hello again LaserJock : different day same **** :)
[05:12] <ogra> LaserJock, gcompris done now ...
[05:16] <LaserJock> ogra: good, and tuxpaint is on it's way? :-)
[05:16] <LaserJock> hi RichEd
[05:16] <ogra> yes
[05:17] <LaserJock> ogra: you're awesome dude!
[05:18] <ogra> so lets see if the auto closing from changeogs works now ... tuxpaint uploaded
[05:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 32252 in tuxpaint "Installs two desktop launchers in different sections" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/32252
[05:20] <LaserJock> hmm, yeah, I haven't seen that in action yet :-)
[05:20] <ogra> so the mail is processed ...
[05:21] <ogra> no changes on the bug yet
[05:25] <LaserJock> ogra: I'm going to make up a new edubuntu-docs package
[05:25] <ogra> yay
[05:26] <LaserJock> putting in some translations, doing some fixes, and switching the versioning to what's used in ubuntu-docs
[05:27] <LaserJock> ogra: sound ok to you?
[05:27] <LaserJock> perhaps you can get it in before the Freeze Tuesday if I get it to you this weekend?
[05:27] <ogra> indeed
[05:28] <ogra> just do what you like, we're early in the dev cycle
[05:28] <ogra> no need to ask me for approval :)
[05:29] <LaserJock> ogra: well, I'm applying for core-dev today
[05:29] <ogra> yay
[05:29] <LaserJock> hopefully soon I won't have to bug you so much
[05:29] <ogra> Hobbsee made it yesterday ...
[05:29] <LaserJock> i saw
[05:29] <ogra> with sugar on top ...
[05:30] <ogra> she'll even jump on archive admin tasks right away
[05:30] <ogra> very impressive
[06:15] <LaserJock> ogra: nifty, it closed the bug
[06:22] <ogra> yeah
[06:27] <ogra> ok, dia sync request filesd as well ... now only fuse is left on my merges list


[00:00] <kaddi> ok
[00:00] <kaddi> thanks :)
[01:27] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[04:44] <lulzwerth> hello
[04:45] <lulzwerth> hello
[04:45] <lulzwerth> KUBUNTU FTW
[04:46] <lulzwerth> TALK TO ME FAGGOTS
[04:46] <lulzwerth> SAY SOMETHING FAGGOTS
[04:46] <FloodBotK1> lulzwerth: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:56] <testerest> hello all
[05:48] <xodiak> hello
[05:48] <xodiak> a possible Mint14 to Kubuntu 12.10 convert here.
[05:55] <xodiak> alright then. Such a lively group of folks.. :)
[08:37] <orange_> hello , what is this?
[08:37] <orange_> hello?
[11:28] <john> I'm currently using 12.04 and have been holding off upgrading to 12.10 due to the note in the release notes warning that there are issues with ATI Rage Pro chip-sets. How would I find out if that has been fixed? Does it even affect upgraders as opposed to fresh installs?
[12:24] <foormea> hi. any specific chan for ubuntu on nexus7?
[12:26] <Tm_T> foormea: not that I know, I think #ubuntu-arm is the closest one
[12:32] <foormea> Tm_T: thanks
[12:36] <mr0wl> is there an offical go-mtpfs repostiory?
[13:05] <Tm_T> mr0wl: I believe no
[13:48] <pigload> hi..
[15:12] <mr-rich> Can I use a package from 12.10 in 12.04?
[15:22] <tsimpson> mr-rich: probably not, no
[15:23] <vibhav> Riddell: there?
[15:58] <markit> shadeslayer: hi!
[15:58] <markit> shadeslayer: I've some news about KDE and ltsp, good news
[15:59] <markit> but also a question... you told me to put environment setups for change KDE variables under /usr/env/, that is a dir I have not
[16:00] <markit> the only place I've found where export a changed KDEVARTMP is in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/
[16:00] <markit> also would love to know where KDEVARTMP is definet in the first place
[17:40] <Scunizi> Good morning all.. I just loaded gparted on the latest LTS version and it tries to load then nothing... task bar shortcut appears then after several seconds disappears.
[17:40] <Scunizi> How do I fix that.. I feel more comfortable with gparted than the kde version.
[17:57] <shadeslayer> markit: line 231 of startkde
[18:19] <markit> shadeslayer: with nfs and async, I've reduced the I/O from 600MB to 140 first login, and 96 sequent
[18:20] <markit> shadeslayer: if you use sshfs (that is the default) you get 783MB at the first login, and 767 on sequent
[18:20] <shadeslayer> cool!
[18:20] <markit> shadeslayer: not that much, is nfs4 async that alleviates a BIG problem
[18:20] <markit> and async is much less "secure" in terms of data loss than sync
[18:21] <markit> shadeslayer: also gnome in the same situaiton has 30MB of I/O
[18:21] <shadeslayer> oh
[18:21] <markit> shadeslayer: just imagin 24 clients "eating" 700MB each at login in the school...
[18:22] <markit> it can take half an hour to finish login if not more
[18:22] <markit> btw, I tried to mount /home and /var/tmp, but I've been warned that there could be an app that does not write in /var/tmp/kdecache-username and if run from multiple PC create big problems
[18:22] <shadeslayer> understandable
[18:23] <markit> i.e. if writes in /var/tmp/programname
[18:23] <markit> so I use KDEVARTMP to redirect in ~/.cache
[18:23] <markit> where do you think is the better, more clean place for that setting?
[18:24] <markit> also how make kde devs interested infixing this issue? ;P
[18:26] <shadeslayer> I would recommend making another dir in ~ called .kdetmp and export the var to that dir
[18:27] <shadeslayer> as for getting people interested the ML is the best way
[18:27] <shadeslayer> outline your issues and ask how we can improve them
[18:29] <shadeslayer> markit: how do you set kdevartmp right now ?
[18:31] <markit> shadeslayer: I've created a script under /etc/X11/Xsession.d/10ltspMM_rm_phonondevicesrc
[18:31] <markit> that does:
[18:31] <markit> rm "$(eval echo $HOME)/.kde/share/config/phonondevicesrc"
[18:32] <shadeslayer> why? 0.o
[18:32] <markit> since the user can login from different PC, and the kde message telling that audio hw has changed is really a pain
[18:32] <markit> expecially for children
[18:32] <markit> then I do
[18:32] <markit> KDEVARTMP=$(eval echo $HOME)/.cache
[18:32] <markit> export KDEVARTMP
[18:32] <markit> well, without eval (that's the old version)
[18:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^ phonon issues with LTSP
[18:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can we override it using config files?
[18:33] <shadeslayer> markit: apachelogger is our multimedia overlord :)
[18:34] <markit> brw, I need easy to implement global configs like those you can put in /etc/kde, not some fancy js script (well, maybe one day I will learn js and master kde config scripts... why js and not python? ;P))
[18:34] <markit> shadeslayer: oh, thanks for pointing the problems to people that can help/solve
[18:35] <markit> I would love to help a kde del setup a ltsp server in fat config, maybe in a KVM vm
[18:36] <shadeslayer> markit: for settings I recommend looking at kubuntu-desktop-settings
[18:36] <markit> maybe the high I/O could be mitigated a lot on KDE side, just is unoticed on superfast PC
[18:36] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: there is a bug report for that
[18:36] <shadeslayer> oic
[18:36] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: and for which app can you override it using config files?!
[18:37] <shadeslayer> huh?
[18:37] <markit> shadeslayer: also I've users, in Thin config, that logout but neverless some akonadi process is still active, I'm not 100% sure, you could test on your own workstation adding an user loggin in, loggin out and reloggin on your use, then # ps axu | grep otheruser
[18:37] <apachelogger> ah
[18:37] <apachelogger> well
[18:37] <apachelogger> it is a kde config
[18:37] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[18:37] <FloodBotK1> apachelogger: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:37] <apachelogger> I did not write that piece of software
[18:38] <apachelogger> nor will I ever look at it TBH
[18:38] <shadeslayer> lol
[18:39] <markit> btw, any hope to have 4.10 on 12.04? there is also a big problem if 16bpp color is used
[18:39] <shadeslayer> hm
[18:39] <markit> without composition, oxygen and a LOT of other themes are broken
[18:40] <markit> KDE people says "they are not designed for 16bpp", my ltsp guru says that with 16BPP you have no problems except if your color palette are broken
[18:40] <markit> and, "of course", Gnome works well with 16bbp...
[18:41] <markit> btw, ltsp people have nothing agains kde, just they started with gnome and, when tried kde, had to give up... if gnome will not fit, they will use xfce or better ldxe
[18:41] <markit> is just me that insist in making it work ;P
[18:41] <markit> so if there is something easy they can do to help kde, they happily will
[18:41] <markit> but are not able to troubleshoot kde
[18:42] <markit> they have scarse resources and more urgent bugs/features
[18:42]  * markit a voice in the desert ;P
[18:42] <shadeslayer> heh
[18:44] <shadeslayer> markit: I could try and backport it, or if there's a patch that you can find I can try and get it patched for 4.9.4
[18:44] <shadeslayer> the latter would be preferable
[18:45] <markit> shadeslayer: I'm not sure it fixes, seems to me to recall something about a fix in that area, don't remember if of QT or KDE itself
[18:45] <markit> shadeslayer: in a desktop, how can you set to 16bpp? there is not such a config in the systemsettings AFAIR
[18:45] <markit> I do setting ltsp config for that
[18:45] <shadeslayer> idk myself :P
[18:46] <markit> could you try instead of crate a new user on your desktop, login, logout and see if there are processes that "survive" the logout? That's a problem also if you have a ltsp server that is always on and serves hundred of usrs
[18:47] <markit> brb, will read the log, food time :)
[18:48] <shadeslayer> I'll try, can I get back to you on Monday? :)
[20:40] <markit> shadeslayer: sure, I will do further investigation also
[21:37] <SJr> Hi I'm having problems with Kubuntu 12.10, my left click functionality seems very broken. I can left click some things but not other things, I can't for instance move windows around.