[10:48] <knome> hello people :) any developers around?
[10:49]  * smartboyhw points at zequence and OvenWerks still:P
[10:49] <knome> i know who they are, just asking if they are *around*
[10:49] <knome> but you'll do good as well
[10:49] <knome> all the xfce testing stuff is now under xubuntu desktop
[10:50] <knome> if you don't necessarily want to run your own tests, you should point your testers to report the xfce tests under our product
[10:51] <knome> i know you're also trying to go DE-agnostic, so this might be more or less meaningless information for you
[10:59] <zequence> knome: ack
[11:00] <knome> zequence, ta :)
[11:00] <smartboyhw> Good evening zequence:)
[11:07] <zequence> We should actually start doing multimedia application testing now, since debian freeze is in effect
[11:07] <zequence> I'll post something about it on the list
[11:07] <smartboyhw> zequence, +1
[19:45] <len_away> knome: Thanks for the help.
[19:45]  * len_away is camping, but there is a computer in the office :)
[19:49] <knome> len_away, heh, np :)
[19:49] <len_away> knome: anything less we can worry about is nice.
[19:52] <knome> sure
[19:52] <knome> if you need help with the tracker, feel free to ping me as well
[20:03] <len_away> Yup... back to play now, see you all later.
[20:56] <madeinkobaia> For those who're on board, hi : )


[00:52] <poolie> lifeless, re that query for bugs affecting users
[00:52] <poolie> i'll try it without the subquery
[00:52] <poolie> that sql is being generated by higher level code that asks for a query affects_me=True
[00:53] <poolie> would it be risky, or beneficial, to change the way that's implemented in general?
[00:53] <poolie> so that it always does a join
[00:53] <poolie> or is it likely to be sensitive to the larger query of which it's a part?
[01:04] <lifeless> sadly its risky
[01:04] <lifeless> however I tried a join and it wasn't substantially better
[01:05] <lifeless> backlog in -ops has pastebin / explain for hloeung
[01:05] <lifeless> not saying 'do not join', more 'join may not be enough / may be a distraction'
[01:21] <mwhudson> lifeless: https://code.launchpad.net/~mwhudson/launchpad/introduce-IParticipationWithAnnotations-bug-623199 btw
[01:22] <mwhudson> (running it through ec2 test now)
[01:26] <lifeless> cool
[01:59] <thumper> wallyworld_: I don't have a show desktop in the launcher
[02:00] <wallyworld_> thumper: hmmmm. mine has been there for a while. perhaps it got removed and i still have an old launcher entry which points to nothing
[02:01] <wallyworld_> if it has been removed, how does one show the desktop now?
[02:01] <thumper> wallyworld_: it is in alt-tab
[02:02] <wallyworld_> thumper: so it is. too many keypresses though :-(
[02:02] <thumper> what is the purpose of showing the desktop?
[02:02] <wallyworld_> so i can access icons and shortcuts i have there
[02:02] <thumper> wallyworld_: try super-D
[02:03] <wallyworld_> hitting super brings up the launcher
[02:03] <wallyworld_> and then 'd' has no effect
[02:03] <thumper> wallyworld_: hold down super and press "D"
[02:03] <thumper> works for me
[02:03] <wallyworld_> yehah i tried that too
[02:04] <thumper> wallyworld_: I think your computer just hates you
[02:04] <wallyworld_> i knows i like kde
[02:04] <wallyworld_> it
[02:05] <wallyworld_> generally i don't mind unity except for that key workflows are too inconvenient
[02:05] <wgrant> unity --reset?
[02:05]  * wallyworld_ tries that
[02:06] <wallyworld_> still hates me
[02:09] <wgrant> jelmer: https://code.launchpad.net/~guadalinex-members/firstboot/gecos is a bit special.
[02:20] <StevenK> Can haz review? https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/fix-search-oops/+merge/77429
[02:44] <StevenK> lifeless: Can we close bug 702188? Since we haven't had read-only mode for a few months now ...
[02:44] <_mup_> Bug #702188: librarian 500s during read-only mode <librarian> <oops> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/702188 >
[02:49] <poolie> lifeless, huwshimi, so as a compromise for 'bugs affecting me' perhaps i'll just leave off the count
[02:50] <poolie> it looks a bit odd
[02:50] <poolie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/858618/+attachment/2477988/+files/20110929_001.jpeg
[02:50] <_mup_> Bug #858618: hard to find bugs that affect you in a project <bugs> <ui> <Launchpad itself:In Progress by mbp> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/858618 >
[02:50] <poolie> but i think it's still a step forward
[02:50] <poolie> what an awful jpeg
[02:50] <poolie> but you get the idea
[02:52] <huwshimi> poolie: Is the query too slow or something?
[02:52] <huwshimi> poolie: I agree it looks a little odd, but I'm not sure we can do anything about it
[03:13] <jtv> We definitely need a psycopg upgrade for what I'm doing.  :(
[03:25] <poolie> huwshimi, yes, it is a bit slow
[03:25] <poolie> and robert's reasonably concerned that just adding more to this page will make it worse
[03:25] <poolie> perhaps we can eventually make them fetched asynchronously
[03:26] <poolie> obviously there would still be some db load from it
[03:26] <poolie> huwshimi, so what i'm really wondering is, do you think it's a step forward over all?
[03:31] <huwshimi> poolie: I would have thought having links to those pages would be super useful (is there currently any other way to view them without doing an advanced search?). I'm not sure I understand how it could make thinks worse.
[03:31] <poolie> i also think it would be super useful, and there is no way other than an advanced search
[03:32] <poolie> and as a consequence the url is risible
[03:32] <poolie> so i think the worse is only in it being a little ugly and people perhaps complaining it's broken
[03:32] <poolie> which we can fix separately
[03:32] <poolie> either through a smarter query or caching or whatever
[03:32] <poolie> perhaps a triggered update of a cache table
[03:33] <poolie> thanks
[03:34] <huwshimi> poolie: Now that I'm thinking about it again,  one think that might be worth considering is putting those links into their own portlet (maybe with a "My bugs" title... or something more appropriate) to make a bit more of a feature out of the fact those links now exist.
[03:35] <poolie> all the per-person links?
[03:36] <huwshimi> poolie: Yeah, although really this is a different issue...
[03:38] <poolie> indeed
[03:38] <poolie> in fact turning them into toggle filter buttons would be great, i think
[03:38] <lifeless> huwshimi: I like your search mockup; have you considered having the search terms visible in the result (like search facets)
[03:38] <poolie> so you can get to 'high', 'open and closed', 'affects me'
[03:38] <poolie> but this is much bigger, i just wanted a bit of a stop gap
[03:38] <lifeless> huwshimi: you may have and decided its out of scope, but if you haven't thought about it, I can point you at a number of bugs related to folk doing iterative refinement of searches
[03:39] <lifeless> which this could help with
[03:39] <poolie> huwshimi, oh could i see your mockup?
[03:40] <huwshimi> poolie: What I really would like to do at some point is have a "these are link to the things in this context that apply to me" portlet that is consistent across as much of Launchpad as we can, which would include those links on the bug pages
[03:41] <poolie> yeah
[03:41] <huwshimi> lifeless: Oh, do you mean the mockups for the bug columns work?
[03:41] <lifeless> huwshimi: yes
[03:43] <huwshimi> lifeless: I think deryck has decided that doing anything to the search is out of scope for the short turn around they have for this feature, except maybe the summary of terms (which I think was in the mockup)
[03:46] <huwshimi> poolie: Emailed
[03:48] <lifeless> huwshimi: no worries
[03:48] <poolie> ah i see what you mean about 'no columns'
[03:48] <lifeless> huwshimi: it will be an improvement nevertheless
[03:49]  * StevenK prods lifeless a little harder.
[03:51] <StevenK> [12:44] < StevenK> lifeless: Can we close bug 702188? Since we haven't had read-only mode for a few months now ...
[03:51] <_mup_> Bug #702188: librarian 500s during read-only mode <librarian> <oops> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/702188 >
[03:53] <huwshimi> lifeless: Yeah, I'd really like to see that advanced search stuff turned into filters etc. I did in fact do some basic mockups for that, but at this stage it's out of scope. Hopefully that might turn into a second stage of this work another time.
[03:56] <lifeless> StevenK: sure
[03:59]  * StevenK dithers between Fix Released and Invalid
[04:00] <wgrant> Won't Fix
[04:01] <StevenK> wgrant: Thanks. Done.
[04:03] <StevenK> lifeless: I'm also having trouble making a tarball of Twisted 11.0.0 plus a cherry pick I applied to it, I would love a bit of help if you're able.
[04:03] <lifeless> StevenK: what happens?
[04:04] <StevenK> lifeless: TBH, I thought I just had to tar up the new bits -- but it still identifies itself as 11.0.0, so buildout loves me not.
[04:04] <lifeless> I have no idea how to make a twisted release
[04:04] <lifeless> it used to be a Dark Art
[04:05] <StevenK> You told me how to do a storm release with setup.py flags, I was wondering if they could be used ...
[04:05] <lifeless> possibly
[04:06] <lifeless> know, can I remember them... your shell history might be  abetter bet ;)
[04:06] <StevenK> I tried that yesterday, no dice.
[04:07] <lifeless> egg_info might be the key
[04:07] <wgrant> egg_info -b-blahsomesuffix sdist?
[04:09]  * StevenK is concerned the tarball is 700KiB smaller ...
[04:10] <StevenK> And is .gz for further hilarity
[04:11] <StevenK> No docs. Handy.
[04:14] <StevenK> In fact, there is no egg info in the old tarball.
[04:15] <lifeless> twisted devs are even less keen on eggs than I
[04:18] <nigelb> benji: heh, its probably conflicting with my commit to db-devel. I'll get a new branch ready soonish
[04:18] <benji> nigelb: cool; just let me know and I'll land it when you're ready
[04:31] <StevenK> Using ./setup.py egg_info and tarring up that results in buildout still insisting it's 11.0.0
[04:48] <StevenK> wgrant: It seems you fixed bug 55099 along with your BugTask target work. Do you want to close it?
[04:48] <_mup_> Bug #55099: IBugTaskSet.createTask should take a target argument <lp-bugs> <tech-debt> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/55099 >
[04:50] <wgrant> StevenK: Indeed, nice find.
[05:06] <StevenK> I need to remove a key from the prod configs before I can rip it out of schema-lazr, right?
[05:10] <wgrant> Yes.
[05:26]  * wgrant hunts for a reviewer for https://code.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/no-key-oopses/+merge/77447
[05:26] <StevenK> wgrant: I've been looking for a reviewer for 3 hours
[05:28] <wgrant> StevenK: Yours is certainly *a* fix, but I don't think it's the right Zopey one.
[05:29] <StevenK> Awww
[05:50] <jtv> I've got some time to review right now.
[05:51] <jtv> Ahhh--treating upload errors as user errors.  Been wishing for that.
[06:36] <jtv> wgrant: review done
[06:37] <StevenK> MPJs have been going *really* slowly :-/
[06:38] <jelmer> wgrant: hmm, indeed
[06:39] <wgrant> jtv: Ah, I keep forgetting we're on 2.6 now.
[06:39] <wgrant> Thanks.
[06:39] <wgrant> jelmer: There are a couple of others like it.
[06:39] <StevenK> wgrant: 2.6? We should move to 2.7 :-P
[06:40] <wgrant> You'd think.
[07:34] <cjwatson> Do I need a bug report to attach to a branch that removes code?  I assume it'd be qa-untestable, so doesn't need a bug for QA workflow, right?
[07:34] <poolie> cjwatson, i believe you do not need one
[07:36] <cjwatson> Thanks.  Not ready to submit it yet, waiting for an RT to be resolved so that I can deploy the replacement
[07:37] <lifeless> cjwatson: depends on the code being removed.
[07:38] <lifeless> cjwatson: e.g. we can verify that some action *doesn't* happen, so there is no intrinsic untestability of removal per se - but some removals may be untestable (as some additions and modifications are untestable)
[07:38] <nigelb> Can someone help me QA bug 88545 :)
[07:38] <_mup_> Bug #88545: Abolish the "statusexplanation" database field <bad-commit-10978> <lp-bugs> <qa-needstesting> <tech-debt> <Launchpad itself:Fix Committed by nigelbabu> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/88545 >
[07:41] <cjwatson> lifeless: it's removing one of the ftpmaster scripts
[07:42] <cjwatson> so not so much some action doesn't happen, as (about to be) dead code
[07:42] <lifeless> cjwatson: for that I would just nuke from orbit with no bug.
[07:42] <lifeless> cjwatson: unless you want something to point at an celebrate.
[07:42] <nigelb> lol
[07:42] <cjwatson> hah.  ok
[07:43] <lifeless> cjwatson: (I'm very keen to remove all archive admin access to the db, you might be able to tell :P)
[07:43] <cjwatson> I've noticed
[07:44] <cjwatson> still some way to go, but archive-cruft-check is a fairly easy one to migrate now that I have a full dists/ mirror on lillypilly
[07:45] <cjwatson> and maybe if I help a bit with it people won't lecture me as much ;-)
[07:45] <lifeless> cjwatson: I'm actually fine with stuff still running on coco, just removing the db access and the potential for massive locks and errors there is the key thing :)
[07:45] <lifeless> cjwatson: I'm glad you're putting some time into it!
[07:47] <cjwatson> we fixed all our locally-written out-of-tree db access quite a while back; everything we run that touches the db is in the LP tree now.  TBH it mostly amounts to queue, change-override, and lp-remove-package
[07:47] <cjwatson> nowadays
[07:47] <cjwatson> though I wouldn't swear to there being nothing else
[07:47] <cjwatson> oh, and sync-source for the cases that the API method doesn't cover yet
[07:48] <lifeless> yeah, but until we nuke *everything* we can't disable the account
[07:48] <cjwatson> right
[07:48] <cjwatson> we have quite a few reports to migrate to lillypilly
[07:49] <cjwatson> but I think that's all unblocked now
[07:55] <wgrant> cjwatson: Ah, excellent, always good to remove code.
[08:53] <poolie> could i get a review on https://code.launchpad.net/~mbp/launchpad/323000-affecting-user/+merge/77469 please?
[09:03] <nigelb> poolie: Is that a new filter?
[09:05] <rvba> poolie: Sure.
[09:09] <poolie> nigelb, it's a link to see the bugs that affect you
[09:10] <nigelb> poolie: Neat!
[09:10] <nigelb> <3 it
[09:11] <nigelb> I'm guessing now, people will more aggresively use the affects me
[09:11] <poolie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/323000/+attachment/2478784/+files/20110929_002.png
[09:11] <_mup_> Bug #323000: Make "this bug affects me too" bugs visible from user profile <lp-bugs> <profile> <Launchpad itself:In Progress by mbp> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/323000 >
[09:12] <nigelb> I saw
[09:48] <bigjools> wgrant: https://launchpad.net/~lynxman/+archive/ppa
[09:48] <poolie> rvba, so what did you think of https://code.launchpad.net/~mbp/launchpad/323000-affecting-user/+merge/77469 ?
[09:49] <rvba> poolie: done with the review in just one sec.
[09:49] <poolie> thanks!
[09:50] <rvba> poolie: I know it's just a drive by fix but I confess I *love* the removal of all the "List" in front of every single link ;).
[09:51] <poolie> yeah i do too
[09:51] <poolie> :)
[09:51] <poolie> > LIST AFFECTING BUGS
[09:51] <poolie> it's not cobol
[09:52] <poolie> thanks for the reivew
[09:52] <poolie> rvba i saw robert just closing some tech debt bugs with the comment that someone will fix them when (and only when) they see the code and care about changing it
[09:52] <poolie> and the bug is noise
[09:53] <poolie> and i'm inclined to agree
[09:53] <nigelb> poolie: heh, its not COBOL
[09:53] <rvba> poolie: Okay, I understand.
[09:53] <poolie> i believe in cleaning things up, i just doubt the bug will make it happen
[09:54] <wgrant> bigjools: We clearly have some differing opinions. I may track him down later.
[09:54] <bigjools> wgrant: yes, that's why I pointed it out
[09:55] <wgrant> bigjools: Well, this is all based on my packaging from yesterday.
[09:55] <rvba> poolie: True. Especially since the bugs are piling-up quickly I guess.
[09:55] <wgrant> But he's done odd stuff like installing the .ez again.
[09:55] <wgrant> Instead of linking the package in.
[09:55] <wgrant> I wonder if there's a reason for that.
[09:55] <rvba> poolie: but like you said, the duplication in this particular file is really *bad* ;)
[09:56] <wgrant> Hmmmmm interesting.
[09:56] <poolie> rvba the main thing that puts me off cleaning it up is that i can see it's using some amount of zope magic but i don't understand it well enough to know if it's tasteful or not
[09:56] <wgrant> rabbitmq-management is based on mine, but rabbitmq-management-agent is based on rabbitmq-stomp.
[09:56] <poolie> hm, the duplication perhaps suggests nobody else is comfortable with it either :)
[09:56] <rvba> hehe
[09:57] <poolie> i think actually possibly the whole url structure and ui needs to be reconsidered
[09:58] <poolie> so that these are not just ~6 totally  different pages  (even with less code duplication) but a generic bug list with some filters
[09:58] <poolie> i guess we could make the bugs./~ page just link to generic bug searches
[09:58] <rvba> That sounds like a good idea.
[09:58] <poolie> hm
[09:58] <wgrant> bigjools: I fixed the FatalUploadError OOPSes, btw.
[09:58] <poolie> but there is no generic bug search?
[09:58] <bigjools> \o/
[09:59] <poolie> oh, there is
[09:59] <poolie> like to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=mbp&field.bug_supervisor=&field.bug_commenter=&field
[09:59] <poolie> .subscriber=&field.tag=&field.tags_combinator=ANY&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.has_cve.used=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.affects_me.used=&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_branches.used=&field.has_branches=on&field.has_no_branches.used=&field.has_no_branches=on&field.has_blueprints.used=&field.has_blueprints=on&field.has_no_blueprints.used=&field.has_no_blueprints=on
[09:59] <poolie> like to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.reporter=mbp
[10:00] <poolie> but, it's a bit harder to navigate from there - you lose the context of coming to it from ~mbp
[10:00] <rvba> Good point ...
[10:02] <poolie> mrevell, speaking (vaguely) of responsive design, have you visited askubuntu.com from a mobile browser?
[10:03] <poolie> it is a thing of beauty
[10:04] <mrevell> poolie, I havent; I'll have a look, thanks.
[10:19] <poolie> thanks allenap
[10:19] <nigelb> poolie: wow. Its awesome on a mobile.
[10:19] <poolie> yeah
[10:20] <poolie> it even has little unfoldy overlay bits, which
[10:20] <poolie> obviously are possible on webkit
[10:20] <poolie> but, i rarely see sites that both use ajax *and* are mobile specifci
[10:20] <nigelb> The firefox input website also has a cool looking mobile UI.'
[10:20] <poolie> mrevell, just one quick thing while i'm tweaking, i'd like to change the 'get the code' in the footer to point to dev.l.n not to the branch contents
[10:21] <poolie> (which are not actually all that useful without instructions)
[10:21] <poolie> we've got past "omg there's actual code" and now we can look for at least some people to really change it
[10:24] <nigelb> heh
[10:24] <nigelb> So, point it to https://dev.launchpad.net/Getting
[10:25] <mrevell> Aside from /Getting being the scariest wiki page I have seen this month, I think that's a great idea.
[10:25] <poolie> that's why i was going to go to the top level
[10:25] <poolie> it's a bit less scary
[10:25] <poolie> including having a "noooo i just want cds"
[10:25] <mrevell> poolie, Sounds like a grand plan :)
[10:26] <nigelb> Is /Getting that scary? :)
[10:26] <poolie> well, not really ,but it does have "i need help with lp"
[10:26] <poolie> and the top level has an easy "Get the source code" link
[10:26] <mrevell> nigelb, I didn't read a single word on that page and I was scared.
[10:26] <mrevell> It's a lot of text.
[10:26] <poolie> :)
[10:26] <nigelb> haha
[10:26] <mrevell> It needs a Usability and Communications Specialist to fix it.
[10:27] <mrevell> Barring that, a Product Manager.
[10:27] <nigelb> Which needs a product manager to hire one ;)
[10:27] <mrevell> :)
[10:27] <mrevell> heh
[10:27] <mrevell> nigelb, getting there...
[10:27] <poolie> a Brave U&C Specialist
[10:27] <nigelb> Brave/Fearless all that
[10:27] <mrevell> which makes me think of the Holy Grail
[10:28] <nigelb> We should register launchpad.xxx and it should show the list of all XXX comments in the code.
[10:28] <nigelb> Just to show the sense of humour we have ::P
[10:28] <poolie> :)
[10:28] <mrevell> "Getting the Launchpad source code is fairly simple," and here are 1092 words to tell just how simple.
[10:29] <nigelb> Its only one step.
[10:29] <nigelb> Get rf and run it.
[10:30] <mrevell> Yeah, assuming you want rf to take over your machine. I'm not deliberately sniping at that page; I can, though, see some ways in which it can be better.
[10:30] <poolie> well
[10:30] <poolie> it's getting better
[10:30] <poolie> but it is not trivial
[10:30] <poolie> https://code.launchpad.net/~mbp/launchpad/get-the-code/+merge/77496
[10:30] <nigelb> I did let rf take over my machine. BUt maybe we should have a page with the different ways including that thing wgrant uses
[10:30] <nigelb> (containers?)
[10:31] <poolie> i think they're under /Running
[10:31] <poolie> i have used schroots in the past
[10:31] <mrevell> I use a VM
[10:31] <poolie> at the moment i'm running it outside because it's slightly easier
[10:31] <poolie> but it's good to know they're there
[10:32] <mrevell> Yeah, I think new U&C person and I will need a mini-sprint where we get together for a couple of days to garden the dev wiki.
[10:32] <nigelb> I found it less blocking when launchpad was just running on my machine
[10:32] <nigelb> that way I wanted to touch the code more often :)
[10:33] <poolie> i wonder, while i'm there, if i should link to the blog too
[10:33] <poolie> it's one of the more interesting bits
[10:33] <poolie> compared to, say, the Terms of Use ;-)
[10:34] <nigelb> heh
[10:34] <mrevell> Yeah, shouldn't make the footer too wide, right?
[10:34] <mrevell> But, then...
[10:34] <mrevell> we have "Take the tour" and "Read the guide" just above
[10:35] <mrevell> maybe the blog link should go beside those.
[10:35] <poolie> i'd like to unify them too
[10:35] <poolie> it's a little weird with the shaded bar and then the unshaded bar
[10:35] <poolie> and one is left aligned and the other centered
[10:35] <poolie> well, maybe we can
[10:39] <wgrant> nigelb: I use LXC (see /Running/LXC). On Oneiric it works really well.
[10:40] <wgrant> And it only takes a couple of seconds to start.
[10:40] <wgrant> I have a few scripts in ~/bin
[10:41] <wgrant> So to start the VM I just run lp-start on the host. lp-sh will SSH in and preserve the working dir, or you can give it a command and it will run that. lp-bounce restarts the appserver quickly. It all works pretty smoothly, and didn't take long to get used to.
[10:41] <nigelb> wgrant: Needs Oneiric right?
[10:42] <nigelb> I'm not quite ready to part with Lucid :)
[10:42] <wgrant> Works OK on Natty, but not Lucid.
[10:43] <mrevell> I wonder how important it is to make Launchpad work well on mobile browsers. My gut feeling is that we should do it; I need to get some research to back me up :)
[10:44] <StevenK> rvba: O hai, I have two reviews for you -- https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/kill-+viewstatus/+merge/77460 and https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/drop-mdzcsv/+merge/77464
[10:44] <nigelb> mrevell: Checkout other codehosting websites as well
[10:44] <nigelb> maybe we need a mobile bzr client :P
[10:45]  * nigelb runs
[10:45] <rvba> Hi StevenK, okay, I'll have a look.
[10:55] <poolie> mrevell, personally i think it's pretty far down the line
[10:55] <poolie> so i mention that more just because i was impressed than that i thought we should do it
[10:56] <mrevell> Yeah, it is impressive. We get requests every now and then; Stuart Langridge last night, for example.
[10:56] <poolie> oh for a mobile site?
[10:57] <poolie> i think if we had internal notifications/timelines they would be a good thing to make work well mobile
[10:57] <poolie> so people could check up on things in idle moments
[10:59] <lifeless> I'd argue for an app, not a mobile site per se. IMBW.
[11:05] <StevenK> http://lpqateam.canonical.com/ does not need OpenID?
[11:09] <StevenK> lifeless: ^
[11:16] <poolie> lifeless, which is kind of to say: apis useful enough someone could make an app
[11:17] <poolie> few roundtrips, maybe notification/activity apis
[11:18] <mrevell> If we took the responsive web design approach (basically, you make sure your site renders well on different form factors, mobile, PC, whatever), then it'd be more sustainable, I think, than an app. It would be good to see the API in such a state that it could support a widely used mobile app, though.
[11:29] <rvba> StevenK: r=me&allenap.  Nice cleanups ;)
[12:23] <StevenK> rvba, allenap: Many thanks for the reviews. :-)
[12:24] <rvba> np
[13:03] <deryck> Morning, all.
[13:31] <rvba> Morning jcsackett!
[13:31] <jcsackett> morning, rvba. :-)
[13:32] <deryck> abentley, coming for standup.  sorry to be running later.
[13:32] <abentley> deryck: s'okay.
[14:00] <allenap> Thanks for the review jcsackett :)
[14:01] <jcsackett> you're welcome, allenap. :-)
[14:10] <allenap> jcsackett: Got time for another one? https://code.launchpad.net/~allenap/txlongpoll/queue-prefix-optional/+merge/77535
[14:10] <jcsackett> allenap: sure thing.
[14:23] <jcsackett> allenap: r=me.
[14:27] <allenap> jcsackett: Thanks :)
[15:06] <bigjools> gary_poster: do you know if we have a convention for versioning eggs where I've backported a revision from upstream's trunk?  setup won't let me use a "+" in the version string :(
[15:06] <gary_poster> bigjools, revision and "-r12345" can't be forced upon the situation somehow?
[15:06] <bigjools> that's what I am using
[15:07] <bigjools> looks *wrong* as I am used to Debian versions :)
[15:07] <gary_poster> bigjools :-) I say go with it
[15:07] <bigjools> gary_poster: I guess I will, thanks :)
[15:07] <gary_poster> welcome :-)
[15:16] <bigjools> gary_poster: any ideas what's going on here? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/699159/
[15:17] <gary_poster> bigjools, what's that ">" doing in there?  :-)   if this is versions.cfg, just specify a version
[15:17] <bigjools> gary_poster: it's not, it's from setup.py for txlongpoll
[15:17] <bigjools> it finds the distro but there's an error, I don;t know what that error means
[15:18] <bigjools> I guess it's a problem in the Twisted dist
[15:19] <bigjools> yeah,the file is in the original but not in the sdist that setup makes :(
[15:21] <gary_poster> bigjools, on call will be with you soon
[15:25] <mgz> hello, I wonder if anyone would be interested in landing a launchpadlib mp for me?

[15:28] <mgz> allenap perhaps?
[15:29]  * nigelb waves to mgz :)
[15:29] <nigelb> Congrats on the new job!
[15:29] <mgz> ...I did wonde what that syntax was in the on call review field...
[15:29] <mgz> thanks nigelb!
[15:30] <allenap> mgz: Sure, let me take a look.
[15:30] <nigelb> mgz: That meant rvba is a trainee reviewer being mentored by allenap :)
[15:35] <gary_poster> bigjools, I don't know what the story is there.  .py files are generally included by default AFAIK.  You can mess with MANIFEST.in to try and get it, I guess
[15:35] <bigjools> gary_poster: I think it's something to do with how the egg is built
[15:36] <bigjools> well, the distribution I mean
[15:36] <gary_poster> right, the sdist
[15:36] <bigjools> gary_poster: it's missing a few setup.py files in the tree.  They are there in the tarball in the LP download cache
[15:36] <bigjools> so I must be building it wrong
[15:36] <gary_poster> bigjools, the only thing I would know to look at on the basis of that traceback is MANIFEST.in...
[15:37] <bigjools> there's no MANIFEST.in, just a MANIFEST
[15:37] <bigjools> hmmm I wonder if I grabbed the wrong source
[15:38] <gary_poster> bigjools, in your original package you would create a MANIFEST.in.  MANIFEST is generated, using MANIFEST.in if it exists and otherwise doing whatever it thinks it ought to do.  But, yeah, something like "grabbing the wrong source" would make more sense to me because *.py stuff is always included by default AFAIK, so that really doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
[15:39] <bigjools> indeed
[15:39] <bigjools> well, there's no MANIFEST* in the download tarball
[15:39] <bigjools> so I guess it's generated "doing whatever it thinks it ought to do"
[15:40] <bigjools> jml: I reckon you've built custom Twisted distros for LP, do you know the runes to do it right?
[15:40] <gary_poster> yes, bigjools
[15:41] <jml> bigjools: IIRC, it's pretty straightforward
[15:41]  * jml thinks
[15:41] <bigjools> jml: I'd just running setup.py sdist, but it's not generating the right MANIFEST by the looks of it, it's missing some setup.py files in the tree
[15:41] <jml> Hmm.
[15:41] <bigjools> s/I'd/I'm/
[15:42] <jml> I don't recall that.
[15:42] <jml> (Maybe I just made a tarball?)
[15:42] <jml> Hmm.
[15:43] <jml> Oh, right.
[15:43] <jml> ./bin/admin/build-tarballs . /tmp/twisted-release/
[15:43] <jml> (pilfered from http://twistedmatrix.com/trac/wiki/ReleaseProcess)
[15:43] <jml> Maybe I did that.
[15:44] <sinzui> jcsackett, do you have time to review https://code.launchpad.net/~sinzui/launchpad/ask-question-from-bug/+merge/77562
[15:44] <jcsackett> sinzui: sure.
[15:44] <jml> bigjools: ^
[15:44] <bigjools> jml: thanks - I don't have a bin/admin :(
[15:44] <jml> bigjools: now that's just weird. It's a checkout of the tree?
[15:45] <bigjools> jml: yes
[15:45] <bigjools> well, new tarball download
[15:45]  * jml svn ups
[15:45] <jml> oh, that might not get included in the release tarballs
[15:45] <bigjools> ah
[15:45] <jml> right. it doesn't.
[15:46] <jml> (incidentally, can I help get these patches upstream?)
[15:46] <bigjools> jml: they are already upstream, just not released
[15:46]  * deryck lunches offline for daycare pickup
[15:46] <bigjools> it's the fix for 638, adds a --logger option
[15:46] <jml> bigjools: ahh, cool.
[15:46] <bigjools> nasty change if you ask me :(
[15:47] <bigjools> so I backported the patch anyway, and it all works fine locally.  Now I need to package it!
[15:47] <bigjools> maybe I should just svn co it
[15:48] <jml> Twisted's pretty darn stable, I'd recommend just svn co to the latest revno.
[15:48] <bigjools> oh, really?
[15:48] <jml> well, by "recommend", I mean 'consider as an option'
[15:48] <bigjools> :)
[15:49] <allenap> mgz: Landed :)
[15:49] <jcsackett> sinzui: r=me, looks good.
[15:49] <sinzui> thank you
[15:49] <mgz> allenap: thanks!
[15:50] <jml> it's unlikely to break compatibility, the NEWS files will flag any changes that do, and there isn't much QA that happens before turning trunk into a release -- it's all done at commit time.
[15:50] <jml> but, alternatively, co releases/twisted-11.0 or whatever and apply the patch manually.
[15:51] <bigjools> jml: I was taking the conservative option but you fill me with ebullient confidence
[15:52] <jml> that said, in the past, I'm pretty sure we've done something like just apply the patch to the download-cache tarball, run the Twisted tests and then retar it.
[15:52] <jml> sorry for the meandering response
[15:52] <bigjools> jml: re-tarring it sounds the safest option for sure
[15:53] <bigjools> but I may stick my neck out
[15:53] <jml> I'll count this as another vote to release Twisted
[15:53] <bigjools> :)
[15:53] <jml> we're due another one anyway
[16:46] <cjwatson> jcsackett: would you mind reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/remove-archive-cruft-check/+merge/77524 ?
[17:32] <jcsackett> cjwatson: sure.
[17:42] <jcsackett> cjwatson: this deals with stuff i'm not totally familiar with. i take it the ubuntu archive admins are the only ones who needed this stuff?
[18:31] <flacoste> jcsackett: i'm +1 on your review
[18:31] <flacoste> jcsackett: can you land it for cjwatson please, unless cjwatson has PQM access nowadays
[18:33] <jcsackett> flacoste: i *probably* can, landing is sometimes so so for me. :-p
[18:33] <jcsackett> cjwatson: do you have landing powers, or do you need a helping hand?
[18:35] <nigelb> Hi! Could someone with access to qastaging db help me qa a db patch?
[18:46] <flacoste> nigelb: sure
[18:46] <flacoste> nigelb: what do i need to do?
[18:46] <nigelb> flacoste: aha, let me grab the bug
[18:46] <flacoste> jcsackett: is sinzui still stick today?
[18:46] <sinzui> I am about
[18:46] <flacoste> hi sinzui! how are you feeling?
[18:46] <sinzui> ell
[18:46] <sinzui> well
[18:46] <flacoste> pffew
[18:47] <flacoste> for  a moment, i thought it was a 'h' that was missing!
[18:47] <flacoste> glad to hear you are feeling better!
[18:49] <nigelb> flacoste: This is my change set http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/launchpad/db-stable/revision/11030
[18:49] <nigelb> I need someone to "check the duration that the patch took to apply in the qastaging-restore logs on devpad"
[18:50]  * flacoste looks
[18:52] <nigelb> patch number is patch-2208-84-1.sql if that helps
[18:57] <flacoste> nigelb: hashn't been applied yet
[18:58] <nigelb> flacoste: Oh. Landing on qastaging doesn't apply it automatically?
[18:58] <flacoste> nigelb: you landed on db-devel, right?
[18:58] <nigelb> Yeah
[18:58] <flacoste> which gets deployed to staging
[18:58] <nigelb> "Fixed in db-stable r11030"
[18:59] <flacoste> but last staging update dates from 2011-09-28 08:10:25
[18:59] <flacoste> that's 10 hours ago
[18:59] <flacoste> let me investigate what is happening there
[18:59] <nigelb> this was 11 horus ago
[18:59] <nigelb> hours, not the Egyptian diety
[18:59] <nigelb> *deity
[18:59] <flacoste> lol
[19:00] <flacoste> yeah
[19:00] <flacoste> and staging is running r11032
[19:00] <flacoste> so your patch should have been applied
[19:00] <flacoste> i'm probably looking in the wrong log file
[19:00] <nigelb> ah
[19:00] <flacoste> ah
[19:00] <flacoste> i need to sync the log first
[19:00] <flacoste> of course
[19:01] <flacoste> doh
[19:01]  * sinzui has a Gunbis cat that has been staring at him for 3 Horuses.
[19:01] <flacoste> lol
[19:01] <nigelb> heh
[19:01] <flacoste> nigelb: i'm hopping on a call, this might lag a little, are you around for the next hour?
[19:02] <nigelb> flacoste: I'll be in bed by then, I don't mind picking it up tomorrow
[19:02] <flacoste> nigelb: will email you then
[19:02] <nigelb> flacoste: Cool, thanks!
[19:23] <flacoste> nigelb: ok, back
[19:24] <nigelb> flacoste: and I'm still up :)
[19:25] <flacoste> waiting for logs to sync...
[19:28] <lifeless> *yawn*. babies.
[19:30] <nigelb> Morning lifeless
[19:35] <flacoste> morning lifeless
[19:37] <flacoste> working with python-gdata and the gdata API, i'm actually appreciating launchpadlib
[19:37] <nigelb> heh
[19:37] <nigelb> python-gdata is a fun API.
[19:37] <flacoste> nigelb: you have a weird definition of fun
[19:37] <nigelb> I once used it for some calender stuff and decided I will never touch those ever again.
[19:38] <flacoste> lol
[19:38] <flacoste> yeah, i totally understand that feeling
[19:38] <nigelb> the documentation is awesome
[19:38] <nigelb> Takes about 1 hour to figure out :P
[19:38] <flacoste> well, the gdata documentation
[19:38] <jcsackett> cjwatson: i've sent your branch out to land.
[19:39] <nigelb> and then you spend a next 8 head-desking how to get it to do what you want.
[19:39] <flacoste> nigelb: oh, you are only talking about understanding the 5 different ways in which you can authenticate
[19:39] <flacoste> yes, that took me about 1h
[19:39] <nigelb> heh
[19:41] <nigelb> flacoste: what specifically are you trying to do?
[19:42] <flacoste> nigelb: 2011-09-29 15:37:48 INFO    2208-84-1 applied just now in 0.3 seconds
[19:42] <nigelb> w00t
[19:42] <nigelb> I'll paste that to mark the bug qa-ok
[19:42] <flacoste> nigelb: i'm trying to update spreadsheets
[19:43] <nigelb> Oh. Ew.
[19:43] <flacoste> yeah
[19:43] <nigelb> That's going to be super painful.
[19:43] <flacoste> yeah
[19:43] <flacoste> the update API isn't exposed in python yet
[19:43] <flacoste> and isn't that hot to begin with
[19:43] <flacoste> and resorting to xls export isn't that fun either
[19:44] <nigelb> This means you'll have to play with a fair bit of XML.
[19:44] <flacoste> not sure how good is the round-tripping story there
[19:44] <flacoste> nigelb: no way! i'm not writing XML :-)
[19:44] <nigelb> heh
[19:44] <flacoste> nigelb: i'll upload new CSV files at the worst
[19:44] <nigelb> Eventually, you'll end up writing a new app to replace what you did with google docs spreadsheets :)
[19:45] <nigelb> To be fair, that'll probably end up being easier as well. :P
[19:47]  * nigelb sleeps
[19:52] <lifeless> flacoste: as an API wrapper launchpadlib is certainly easy to roll with; its defects are nonobvious to a casual user ;)
[19:52] <flacoste> :-)
[21:07] <mwhudson> gary_poster, lifeless : you might be interested in https://code.launchpad.net/~mwhudson/launchpad/introduce-IParticipationWithAnnotations-bug-623199/+merge/77611
[21:08] <gary_poster> mwhudson, hey, cool
[21:09] <mwhudson> gary_poster: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/861510 made me angry enough to start thinking about it again :-)
[21:09] <_mup_> Bug #861510: XMLRPCTestTransport is not torn down properly <test-system> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/861510 >
[21:11] <gary_poster> mwhudson, heh, I'm sorry you got angry, but glad you channelled it productively :-) .  As far as approving, I have no idea if you caught everything, but I'm a big +1 on making progress either way.  I'll approve it if you like.
[21:11] <gary_poster> (If so, I'll look a bit more carefully ;-) )
[21:12] <mwhudson> gary_poster: i don't know whether i should try to use it before landing, i think it probably makes sense to validate the idea
[21:12] <gary_poster> ...and my wife just came in to ask me when I was going to quit :-P
[21:12] <mwhudson> haha
[21:12] <mwhudson> well, ok, maybe leave it for today then :-)
[21:12] <mwhudson> i probably won't have time to work on it until next week
[21:12] <gary_poster> mwhudson, ok, thanks :-) .  The only thing I don't want to see is the progress languish...
[21:18] <mwhudson> ffs qastaging
[21:23] <lifeless>  mwhudson whats down with qastaging?
[21:24] <mwhudson> lifeless: just timing out a lot
[22:31] <lifeless> sinzui: hey, so your long mail was interesting
[22:31] <lifeless> sinzui: if you want to touch base about it monday or something, that would be cool
[22:39] <sinzui> lifeless, yes please! I expect to have a few additional ideas about policy
[22:44] <sinzui> huwshimi, https://launchpad.net/~huwshimi/+participation
[22:59] <sinzui> wallyworld, StevenK, wgrant, I will be a few minutes late to the meeting.
[22:59] <wallyworld> ok
[23:07]  * wgrant fixes the conflict.
[23:10] <wgrant> But there is no conflict...
[23:11] <wgrant> Hm, I wonder if the push failed.
[23:13] <poolie> hi all
[23:14] <poolie> hi afc, did you see your bug was fixed?
[23:15] <wgrant> lifeless: https://pastebin.canonical.com/53637/ <- we seem to have a PQM bug.
[23:37] <StevenK> wgrant: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/861710
[23:37] <_mup_> Bug #861710: [regression] smspillaz fails to sleep at proper hours, despite solar status <bitesize> <end-of-cycle-euphoria> <insanity> <madness> <Compiz:Confirmed for smspillaz> <ubuntu-community:New> <unity:Confirmed for smspillazs-mom> <Weather Indicator:Opinion> <firefox (Ubuntu):Triaged by micahg> <linux (Ubuntu):Triaged by jjohansen> <unity (Ubuntu):Triaged by smspillazs-mom> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/861710 >
[23:43] <lifeless> wgrant: meep!
[23:43] <wgrant> lifeless: Just a bit.
[23:44] <lifeless> wgrant: is it repeating ?
[23:44] <wgrant> lifeless: For about 5 hours now.
[23:44] <wgrant> Oh.
[23:44] <wgrant> No, sorry.
[23:44] <wgrant> That particular error only happened once.
[23:45] <lifeless> ok, file that on pqm then
[23:45] <lifeless> whats the other error ?
[23:45] <wgrant> But it hasn't pushed, so it keeps trying to remerge and finding nothing to do.
[23:45] <lifeless> righto, thats easier to fix
[23:45] <wgrant> No error, just needs a manual push, I guess.
[23:45] <lifeless> we'll need to see if the next merge repeats that error
[23:46] <StevenK> sinzui: Would you mind +1'ing the MP we spoke about on the call?
[23:46] <sinzui> I will


[00:07] <pigeon-> trying to read msdos floppy disk - can this be done with xubuntu ?
[09:33] <askan> hi
[09:34] <knome> hello
[09:35] <askan> how remove trash icon on desktop in xubuntu
[09:35] <askan> ?
[09:36] <knome> go the desktop settings (via right-clicking the desktop or from the settings manager), tab icons
[12:53] <knob> Guys... I have a problem that's becoming a nuisance.  Something happened on my Xubuntu 15.x laptop.  Everytime I boot her up, she goes into the command line and I have to type    systemctl default    for her to go into the Window Manager (X?)
[12:53] <knob> Any idea how to fix it?
[14:11] <Lovich> Would it be worth switching to xubuntu for someone who is running ubuntu with xfce desktop?
[14:12] <cfhowlett> Lovich, wouldn't be much different
[14:12] <Lovich> That was my thinking as well
[14:13] <GridCube> you would get support on this channel P:
[14:13] <Lovich> Heheheh
[14:13] <GridCube> and default theming and stuff like that that is pretty cool
[14:14] <Lovich> Yeah been playing around with different environments this morning and xfce is pretty solidly my favorite
[14:15] <GridCube> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop :D
[14:35] <pigeon-> good morning to all !    I have no problem to watch movies with VLC from the external hard drive.  These are divX which I have downloaded (torrent).   However, I can not play an original DVD.  any suggestion?
[14:39] <pigeon-> I have the xubuntu-restricted-extras installed, as well as libdvdread4 and libdvdnav4
[14:41] <GridCube> pigeon-: how do you "play" the dvds?
[14:41] <GridCube> if i remember correctly, theres a different "open" on vlc just for disks
[14:42] <pigeon-> I've tried two ways to lauch the DVD.   First by double-clic on film,   and I also try to lauch the VLC media player first,  then go to    media - open file,  and select the movie
[14:42] <pigeon-> yes, u are rite, thee is in fact   'open'  in media,  to open the movie
[14:42] <GridCube> yeah, but inst there like "media > open disk" or something like that
[14:43] <GridCube> :) try that option
[14:43] <pigeon-> okee, will try it now,,,,,,
[15:18] <pigeon-> hi GridCube
[15:19] <GridCube> oi pigeon-
[15:19] <pigeon-> okee, the way you suggested is the RIGHT way to do it
[15:19] <pigeon-> however,
[15:19] <pigeon-> I've tried 6 different DVD (original ones)
[15:20] <pigeon-> and some work fine, however, some don't want to play
[15:20] <GridCube> region issues?
[15:20] <pigeon-> hummm
[15:20] <pigeon-> all my DVD are North American
[15:20] <GridCube> no idea anyway
[15:20] <GridCube> i have only played a dvd once
[15:21] <pigeon-> okee, thanks for your help
[15:21] <GridCube> maybe the dvds are scratched?
[15:21] <pigeon-> open disc is the proper way to go
[15:21] <GridCube> or the reader is not clean?
[15:21] <GridCube> or maybe the format is unusual? or maybe vlc cant properly reproduce it?
[15:21] <GridCube> no idea
[15:21] <pigeon-> ok
[15:22] <pigeon-> thanks
[15:22] <GridCube> have you tried xine?
[15:22] <pigeon-> is xine a media player?
[15:22] <cfhowlett> if VCL isn't reading it, you might be SOL
[15:22] <knome> i would run vlc from the command line and see what the output says
[15:23] <knome> "$x doesn't play dvd's" doesn't help at all with debugging
[15:23] <GridCube> !info xine | pigeon-
[15:23] <GridCube> o:
[15:23] <GridCube> it doesnt exists
[15:24] <GridCube> !info gxine
[15:25] <GridCube> but as knome said, try to figure out whats wrong first
[15:25] <knome> pigeon-, what's the command line output for vlc when you insert a dvd and try to play it?
[15:25] <pigeon-> I see that   xine video player is availabe from the ubuntu-software-center
[15:28] <pigeon-> hi knome....  i did not try to lauch VLC from the terminal...    When I first inserted the DVD in dvdrum,  the    parole media player tried to play the dvd, but many times, parole media player is not good, so I simply x out
[15:28] <pigeon-> then i lauch VLC
[15:28] <knome> pigeon-, then try to launch vlc from the terminal, please
[15:28] <knome> "$player doesn't play dvd's" is unhelpful
[15:28] <pigeon-> okeee, can u tell me what is the COMMAND to lauch vlc from terminal?
[15:29] <knome> vlc
[15:29] <pigeon-> ok,  minute plz
[15:31] <pigeon-> it did lauch my VLC.
[15:31] <knome> ok, now try playing a dvd.
[15:32] <pigeon-> okeee,   u mean one that did not work before?  ok will do
[15:32] <knome> yes.
[15:34] <pigeon-> no,,,  not working
[15:34] <pigeon-> :(
[15:34] <knome> so, as i asked before... please pay attention:
[15:34] <knome> what is the command line output for vlc?
[15:34] <knome> !pastebin | pigeon-
[15:34] <pigeon-> i will copy/paste one line at a time
[15:35] <knome> no, please pastebin
[15:35] <pigeon-> from what i see in my teminla
 pigeon-, then try to launch vlc from the terminal, please
 "$player doesn't play dvd's" is unhelpful
 okeee, can u tell me what is the COMMAND to lauch vlc from
[15:37] <pigeon-> VLC media player 2.1.6 Rincewind (revision 2.1.6-0-gea01d28)
[15:38] <knome> pigeon-, please use a pastebin
[15:38] <pigeon-> [0x884b928] main libvlc: Running vlc with the default interface. Use 'cvlc' to u
[15:38] <pigeon-> se vlc without interface.
[15:38] <pigeon-> this is waht i see on my terminal...
[15:39] <knome> yes, please pastebin it all
[15:39] <knome> not to the channel, to a pastebin
[15:39] <knome> see:
[15:39] <knome> !pastebin | pigeon-
[15:39] <pigeon-> ~$ vlc
[15:39] <pigeon-> VLC media player 2.1.6 Rincewind (revision 2.1.6-0-gea01d28)
[15:39] <pigeon-> [0x884b928] main libvlc: Running vlc with the default interface. Use 'cvlc' to use vlc without interface.
[15:39] <knome> no.
[15:39] <knome> STOP.
[15:40] <pigeon-> sorry I don't undersand whqt is meant by  pastebin
[15:40] <knome> see what ubottu told you before
[15:40] <knome> start paying attention
[15:45] <pigeon-> ok knome,,,,  i did go to http://paste.ubuntu.com and I have posted there
[15:45] <knome> ok, and what's the paste URL?
[15:47] <pigeon-> i think this is the past url
[15:47] <pigeon-> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11773942/
[15:48] <knome> ok - so after launching vlc command line, did you try to play the dvd with the SAME vlc instance?
[15:48] <pigeon-> no,  but i can try it again.  plz wait
[15:51] <pigeon-> got some messages in my  terminal, which I will poste in http://paste.ubuntu.com for you to check out.... plz wait
[15:52] <pigeon-> here is the url link
[15:52] <pigeon-> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11773973/
[15:53] <knome> ok, so you don't actually have the encrypted DVD support installed, as you can see
[15:53] <knome> run:
[15:53] <knome> sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh
[15:54] <pigeon-> yes, thank will try to install that
[15:56] <pigeon-> okee, it:s installed....  now I will do the same test to see if Vlc will play the dvd
[15:58] <pigeon-> okee, knome...   my DVD is working now, however that was lots of stuff appearing in my terminal.  Should you have a look at this?
[16:00] <knome> pigeon-, nope, that's normal
[16:00] <knome> pigeon-, you don't need to open vlc from the terminal, that was just for debugging purposes
[16:00] <pigeon-> okee,  I will do the same TESTS with three other original DVD that did not work before
[16:00] <pigeon-> Thank you for your help;  much appreciated
[16:01] <knome> you're welcome
[16:04] <pigeon-> somebody else, I think it was GridCube suggested something about  xine media player....  Do you see any advantage for me to install it now?  It is available on ubuntu-software-center
[16:04] <knome> pigeon-, no; you don't need to install xine
[16:04] <pigeon-> ok thanks
[16:04] <knome> and fwiw, parole should be able to play the DVDs now as well
[16:04] <pigeon-> ok
[16:09] <pigeon-> okee, Knome.... the DVD that did not work this morning, are working fine now....  Thank you for your help
[16:09] <knome> again, you're welcome
[18:23] <GridCube> how would i launch a secondary xserver from a tty? xstart -- :1 is not doing it :/
[18:52] <genii> GridCube: Use something like xephyr or xnest
[18:53] <GridCube> genii: that wound not open a second xserver on a different F#
[18:53] <GridCube> /s/wound/would
[18:58] <genii> GridCube: You can't launch another Xsession which uses the same monitors from another console. They are in use by the existing X session.
[18:58] <GridCube> thats new
[18:58] <GridCube> so
[19:07] <genii> GridCube: Sorry, actually use something like: sudo startx -- :1 vt1      (space between -- and :  also vt# is the console to try running it on ) .
[19:11] <GridCube> nope
[19:11] <GridCube> nevermind
[19:11] <GridCube> i'll figure later
[22:41] <Jesuwope> If I download an .apt file (such as with current versions of adobe flash), how would I go about installing that in Xubuntu?  Do I type sudo apt install filename, sudo install filename, or what
[22:41] <knome> have you tried installin the adobe flash player from the software repositories?
[22:41] <Jesuwope> I don't know where they are
[22:41] <Jesuwope> I just installed Xubuntu yesterday
[22:42] <knome> open ubuntu software center from the menu
[22:42] <drc> Jesuwope: "that graphical Xubuntu software install app" knows where to find them.
[22:42] <knome> Jesuwope, http://docs.xubuntu.org/1504/C/managing-applications.html
[22:42] <Jesuwope> ok
[22:44] <Jesuwope> I must say... I have used many distros over the years but I like Ubuntu the best
[22:44] <Jesuwope> It is really elite
[22:44] <Jesuwope> In addition... I was having a lot of trouble with this acer aspire computer in CentOS and Fedora, it wasn't working with my networking card
[22:45] <Jesuwope> I think it's the XFCE that works
[22:45] <Jesuwope> I had tried Manjaro
[22:45] <knome> xfce doesn't make hardware work or break, but i'm glad to hear xubuntu works for you
[22:45] <Jesuwope> It worked with my internet chipset but it had strange problems and it kept losing boot ability and would say "could not find login/splash screen"... was no good
[22:45] <Jesuwope> well I don't know if it was gnome or not
[22:45] <Jesuwope> that was doing it
[22:46] <Jesuwope> because there were alot of windowing problems too
[22:46] <Jesuwope> with gnome and connecting
[22:46] <Jesuwope> if it ISN'T the XFCE, then kudos again to Xubuntu
[22:46] <Jesuwope> thanks for the help
[22:46] <Jesuwope> I'm out
[22:46] <Jesuwope> have a nice day
[22:50] <Guido2> Hee, I have a problem with my WiFi settings. In one Netwwork the acces paswoord has to be changed from time to time on my laptop. If I open the settings of the network i can change it, but for some reason i can not save the changes. how can i solve this problem?
[23:59] <Jesuwope> I am having trouble with my power management settings.  I set all the variables to "Never", so that the screen won't blank and so that there wouldn't be any sleep or hibernate unless I close the computer lid and yet it still acts the same.  Can anyone help me to know why?


[01:05] <Bashing-om> UWN: Saturday wrap-up completed - minimal damage - saved and out.
[19:53] <Bashing-om> UWN: Opening 831 - adding stats/reports; will be a while doing so.
[20:16] <Bashing-om> UWN: Path issues to my scripts - rebooting system; see if it is a cache issue.
[20:25] <Bashing-om> UWN: Scripting all good now - proceeding to add the stats and reports to 831 - shortly.
[21:48] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue831 up for reiew and final edits: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-831/43245 .
[21:58] <Unit193> https://www.meetup.com/ale-atlanta-linux-enthusiasts/events/29953957/ seems broken?
[22:11] <Bashing-om> Unit193: Thanks ! checvking :D
[22:19] <Bashing-om> Unit193: All better now ^ Thanks again for your checks :D


[11:56] <acheronuk> please test plasma 5.11.3 for artful in backports-landing
[11:56] <acheronuk> seems good here so far :)
[12:00] <acheronuk> I am quite busy today, but would like to push that update tonight or tomorrow, since it's now mostly papercut bugfixes
[15:00] <mparillo> Plasma 5.11.3 from backports-landing looks good to me. I posted to -devel. We don't use kanban cards for this do we?
[18:28] <clivejo> on the first slide for Kubuntu Cafe Live why is there no e in welcom ?
[18:41] <acheronuk> clivejo: modern way to spell it :P
[18:42] <clivejo> I keep missing these memos :(
[18:42] <clivejo> thought the cool kids spell it welcum
[18:43] <acheronuk> just an error not worth stopping for
[18:43] <clivejo> hide it from Simon and his OCD
 @clivejo, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
 :P
[19:06]  * clivejo strokes tsimonq2 there there, its okay, let it go
 @IrcsomeBot, *it's
 PMSL
[19:33] <clivejo> who is Human Being?
[19:55]  * acheronuk rings an emergency Philosopher to answer that question
[19:56] <clivejo> could we have a meeting to look at the website?
[19:56] <acheronuk> we could. not tonight for me
[19:57] <clivejo> I agree Contribute and Support should be combined
[19:57] <clivejo> but want to have some discussion on it
[20:00] <clivejo> also think there should be more contact details for the Community Managers
[20:42] <valorie> I don't want to do individual support, unless there is a personal issue
[20:43] <valorie> community channels are good for everything IMO
[21:03] <wxl> um do i have a kubuntu.org alias and i don't know it?
[21:05] <valorie> are you a Kubuntu member?
[21:05] <wxl> yes
[21:05] <valorie> then ya do
[21:05] <valorie> your launchpad id+kubuntu.org
[21:06] <wxl> and it directs to the main email for lp?
[21:06] <valorie> I believe so yes
[21:06] <valorie> so it can't be your LP email
[21:06] <valorie> which seems counterintuitive, but that's the way it is
[21:09] <acheronuk><EMAIL_ADDRESS>should go to your LP 'contact address'
[21:11] <wxl> it does work. cool. :)
[21:14]  * clivejo dances
[21:16] <wxl> added to lp :)
[21:19] <clivejo> yipppeee
[21:20]  * clivejo wonders could we have a contact form on website -> a mailing list
[21:22] <valorie> well, we could do an include maybe, of the ML webpage?
[21:22] <clivejo> valorie: to make contact bit eaier
[21:22] <clivejo> easier
[21:23] <valorie> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel -- of the subscription form part
[21:23] <valorie> it is possible to do an include in a wiki page of part or all of another wiki page
[21:23] <valorie> dunno how that is done in WP though
[21:23] <clivejo> not recommended
[21:24] <valorie> then a link should do it
[21:37] <clivejo> wow tsimonq2 gets around!
[21:37] <tsimonq2> Oh?
[21:37] <clivejo> poppig up in all kinds of vidoes
[21:37] <tsimonq2> Really? :P
[21:39] <clivejo> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGpmZb0XW0U
[21:39] <clivejo> bedtime viewing
[21:39] <clivejo> Debian policy
[21:39]  * clivejo yawns
[21:40]  * clivejo giggles at Simon saying "directory"
 @IrcsomeBot, But why? :P
[22:07] <clivejo> you say it funny
 How are you supposed to say it? :P
[22:09] <clivejo> the right way :P
[22:33] <valorie> lol
[23:02] <valorie> this is so cool -- found a collateral of an collateral ancestor named Isaac Newton Sheppard
[23:03] <valorie> b. 1888
[23:03] <valorie> very forward thinking time !


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[04:51] <LocutusOfBorg> reverse-depends  -r oracular  -b src:xorg-lts-transitional
[04:51] <LocutusOfBorg> b'
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[04:51] <LocutusOfBorg> meh
[05:10] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, llvm will be done
[07:37] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, can we please remove libgav1 on s390x?
[07:37] <LocutusOfBorg> FTBFS removed in debian too
[07:37] <LocutusOfBorg> and libavif dropped BD on s390x due to it
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[17:23] <tsimonq2> vorlon: FYI, verification is done on bug 2064686 and bug 2064687
[17:23] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Bug 2064686 in lintian (Ubuntu Noble) "Add 'oracular' as a known Ubuntu distribution" [Wishlist, Fix Committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2064686
[17:23] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Bug 2064687 in vim (Ubuntu Oracular) "Add Oracular as a known Ubuntu distribution, make Debian and Ubuntu codenames current" [Wishlist, Fix Committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2064687
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[06:01] <tsimonq2> Yo
[06:01] <tsimonq2> Can I get a hand?
[06:01] <tsimonq2> RAI in #ubuntu-google is trolling
[06:01] <tsimonq2> I asked him to leave and he has not.
[06:04] <tsimonq2> I'm going to leave here, I need to work on some stuff and then go to bed, but feel free to PM with any questions or if you want me back in here
[06:04] <tsimonq2> Thanks!
[06:06] <JackFrost> ACL isn't ideal.
[08:10] <ikonia> what the devil is #ubuntu-google about ?
[08:19] <JackFrost> For Google Code-In, which used to be "Summer of Code" IIRC.
[22:40] <dax> 17.04 goes EOL on Jan 13th ( https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2018-January/000227.html ), and will not get Meltdown patches
[22:41] <dax> and for those of us on Linode, new kernels got pushed for the VM guest side of things, and they're continuing to work on plans for VM host changes


[04:21] <lotuspsychje> nhaines: nice1 mate: http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/the-default-wallpapers-of-ubuntu-15-10-wily-werewolf-gallery-493511.shtml
[06:39] <DavidWed> Hello
[06:41] <DavidWed> Can I use QML in commercial projects ? I planed to develop an app with QML/C++.
[06:42] <duflu> DavidWed: I think the LGPL bits, yes. But I'm no expert... http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/licensing.html
[06:43] <DavidWed> Is there a chance to use another frontend than QML ? ( maybe HTML5 with c++ ) ?
[06:43] <DavidWed> thanks xD
[06:45] <duflu> DavidWed: Yes, technically you can use any toolkit that has a Mir backend. Or HTML5 will run in the browser
[06:48] <anpok> DavidWed: you can also just assemble qtquick objects programmatically... but not all properties are easily accessible that way
[06:48] <anpok> so you might end up falling to passing qml expression strings..
[06:48] <anpok> +back
[06:49] <DavidWed> hmm
[06:49] <DavidWed> thanks for respond
[06:49] <dholbach> good morning
[06:49] <anpok> i did spend some time on assembling a different frontend for qtquick
[06:50] <anpok> one of the problems is that for example the layouting bits are hidden in a substructure that can only be accessed through the private pimpl ptr from the actual quickitem class..
[07:01] <DavidWed> Just to be clear, the GTK+ 3.16 has a Mir backend. So I can develop my apps with GTK+ 3.16 ? Without QML ?
[07:05] <anpok> DavidWed: at the moment the gtk+ on the phone is missing an important piece..
[07:05] <anpok> that is support for the buffer types provided by the android drivers..
[07:06] <anpok> for that we need a somewhat larger change in cairo ..
[07:07] <anpok> and then someone would have to add the right theme to gtk.. and yeah then you still might be missing out some parts that are provided when you go with qt..
[07:12] <DavidWed> Did you estimate how long it will take to support the GTK+ ? Is there any other GUI frontend (with mir support) than QML, which could be used now ?
[07:27] <nhaines> lotuspsychje: thanks!
[08:54] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Teachers' Day! 😃
[09:17] <guest42315> welp unity-dash? died on mx4 ota6, i can't launch app or scroll but the rest is working, i can launch apps from the launcher and the app switcher still works
[09:17] <guest42315> also i see heavy lag :/
[09:19] <davmor2> guest42315: that'll possibly be the fd bug that was discovered, it is fixed for ota7 try rebooting your phone for now though
[09:19] <guest42315> davmor2, thanks! rebooting :P
[09:19] <popey> davmor2: have you seen a bug report for battery gauge in system settings, that it only shows a line for 50% of the time?
[09:20] <davmor2> popey: nope
[09:20] <popey> ota-6, does your battery gauge go back further than midnight?
[09:23] <davmor2> popey: checking
[09:24] <davmor2> popey: about 11:00 am yesterday
[09:29] <popey> davmor2: do does it stretch across the whole graph?
[09:30] <popey> welcome back john-mcaleely
[09:32] <davmor2> popey: http://people.canonical.com/~davmor2/battery.png
[09:32] <popey> hm, wonder why mine is stunted
[09:32] <popey> http://imgur.com/RYsRKKa
[09:33] <popey> also, the "Last full charge" is inaccurate
[09:33] <popey> it measures from the last moment you were at 100%, not the last moment you unplugged the device at 100%
[09:33] <popey> which could be hours apart
[09:39] <john-mcaleely> popey, thank you!
[11:18] <mardy> mvo: hi! Can you suggest a workaround for bug 1436368?
[11:18] <ubot5`> bug 1436368 in click (Ubuntu) "set PKG_CONFIG_PATH" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1436368
[11:21] <mardy> mvo: oh, looks like adding that line to .bashrc does the trick :-) ignore this then ^ :-)
[11:24]  * mvo ignores as requested
[11:31] <mardy> mvo: ah, now I remember why that was enough
[11:31]  * mardy requests mvo to unignore :-)
[11:31] <mardy> mvo: it seems that .bashrc is not read if I do "click run cmake..."
[12:34] <Mirv> for anyone interested, it's again possible to run Qt 5.5 on the phone after doing one manual Unity 8 hack on qml files.
[12:34] <Mirv> getting here involves workarounding the current list of bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.tag=qt5.5 that haven't received bugfixes yet, but it does run now
[12:35] <Mirv> even keyboard finally works so it's a bit easier to play around
[14:44] <atk33_> May can I ask something about the meizu mx4?
[14:45] <mcphail> atk33_: of course
[14:48] <atk33_> mcphail, do you know how to get in the preloader mode?
[14:49] <mcphail> atk33_: I don't have an mx4, but there will be a few people on here who do. If you lurk for a while, someone is likely to tell you
[14:49] <atk33_> thanks mcphail
[14:56] <Inoki> Hello, an ETA for the next OTA? Topic doesn't say.
[14:56] <robin-hero> Inoki: It is 19th October.
[14:57] <Inoki> robin-hero: thank you!
[14:58] <awe_> mterry, any WiFi feedback from over the weekend?
[14:59] <robin-hero> Is the fix released for this bug to the rc-proposed channel? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-push/+bug/1469398
[14:59] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1469398 in Canonical System Image "Push-client should be disabled when no network connection" [High,Fix committed]
[14:59] <robin-hero> because I don't find it in the rc-propsed change log
[15:00] <mterry> awe_, I commented on the silo -- doesn't seem to solve the CPU issue.  Or super noticably change it.  :(
[15:00] <mterry> awe_, was there anything else in that PPA I tested a while ago?   in its url regex.  So when I click the "login" button, I get redirected to the browser app
[17:09] <popey> mterry: thanks, will fix
[17:18] <popey> mterry: guess I should add all those other login methods :S
[17:20] <popey> mterry: turns out I didn't have the problem because I had 0.8 on my phone and have had for months, but forgot to upload it :) - now done
[17:21] <mterry> popey, hah  :)
[17:21] <popey> :)
[17:39] <TonyBoston> I'm getting a weird message that my contact sync account has to be upgraded
[17:40] <TonyBoston> did we have any changes in syncevolution?
[17:48] <pmcgowan> TonyBoston, yes we moved to buteo, did it update correctly?
[17:49] <TonyBoston> pmcgowan, it did update but I can't seem to upgrade the mentioned contacts sync db
[17:50] <ahayzen> pmcgowan, i just did mine and it said it 'failed' 3 times but i kept hitting retry and it succeeded on the fourth attempt
[17:51] <TonyBoston> I have that reload button with a point in the middle in the contacts app
[17:52] <davmor2> TonyBoston: what account were you using to sync with?
[17:53] <TonyBoston> davmor2, 3 owncloud calendars and one owncloud contact
[17:54] <davmor2> TonyBoston: that might be why it is only doing google accounts renatu ^
[17:54] <TonyBoston> hmm?
[17:56] <renatu> TonyBoston, which online account do you have configured on your device?
[17:57] <TonyBoston> renatu, ubuntu one only
[17:57] <TonyBoston> renatu, I did configure syncevolution to have my owncloud synced
[17:57] <renatu> TonyBoston, this should not cause any problem
[17:58] <renatu> let me take a look on the code and see if this could cause any problem
[17:58] <TonyBoston> renatu, yeah now I am getting this message where it says that my contacts sync has to be upgraded
[17:58] <pmcgowan> TonyBoston, contacts app you mean?
[17:59] <TonyBoston> pmcgowan, the contacts app is throwing the error yes
[17:59] <pmcgowan> TonyBoston, does the message say contacts app needs to be upgraded?
[17:59] <TonyBoston> and it reads that I can only edit local contacts
[17:59] <davmor2> ahayzen: did you have a steady interent connection, I was trying to reproduce an issue and only got that message when I was switching flight mode on and off
[18:00] <TonyBoston> pmcgowan, I could make a screenshot of the message
[18:00] <ahayzen> davmor2, yeah i did, it was doing it while booting though so i wonder if that was the issue
[18:00] <TonyBoston> where would I upload that?
[18:00] <davmor2> ahayzen: possibly
[18:01] <davmor2> TonyBoston: is it the message in the messaging indicator?
[18:02] <TonyBoston> davmor2, there was one once yes, now its a pop up
[18:03] <davmor2> TonyBoston: any image upload site, we'd just need a link to see it
[18:06] <renatu> TonyBoston, could you past the result of: account-console list
[18:11] <renatu> davmor2, TonyBoston, yes I can confirm that if you have extra sources on your EDS that is created from external tools this could cause the upgrade to fail
[18:11] <renatu> davmor2, I will fix that
[18:12] <davmor2> renatu: nice one
[18:12] <TonyBoston> renatu, https://paste.fedoraproject.org/275014/
[18:13] <TonyBoston> davmor2, so imgur isnt working for me, any other suggestions for uploading images?
[18:14] <davmor2> TonyBoston: http://imagebin.ca/
[18:15] <TonyBoston> davmor2, thanks
[18:19] <TonyBoston> davmor2, doens't work eithere
[18:19] <TonyBoston> might have some java issues
[18:20] <davmor2> TonyBoston: just mail it<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:20] <TonyBoston> davmor2, okay cool
[18:21] <TonyBoston> davmor2, should be there
[18:25] <davmor2> TonyBoston, pmcgowan, renatu: http://people.canonical.com/~davmor2/address_issue_witho_owncloud.png
[18:25] <TonyBoston> I should have picked another background :)
[18:30] <TonyBoston> davmor2, please check your mail
[18:33] <davmor2> TonyBoston, pmcgowan, renatu: http://people.canonical.com/~davmor2/account_issue_with_owncloud2.png
[18:33] <davmor2> TonyBoston: do you want the other taking down then
[18:34] <TonyBoston> davmor2, yes please
[18:34] <davmor2> done
[18:35] <TonyBoston> thx
[18:39] <renatu> davlefou, TonyBoston, yes this will appear until the app get updated
[18:39] <renatu> davmor2, ^^^
[18:39] <renatu> davlefou, wrong nick, sorry
[18:39] <renatu> TonyBoston, working to fix your use case
[18:40] <TonyBoston> renatu, okay
[18:40] <TonyBoston> renatu, is there any documentation for buteo?
[18:40] <renatu> TonyBoston, syncevolution will still working for manual sync
[18:41] <TonyBoston> renatu, manual sync is not what I need
[18:41] <TonyBoston> sync should be automated
[18:41] <TonyBoston> don't you think?
[18:41] <renatu> TonyBoston, we intend to implement owncloud support for buteo in the future
[18:42] <TonyBoston> renatu, any workaround for now? as this is the only think I really need
[18:42] <TonyBoston> thing*
[18:42] <renatu> TonyBoston, you can keep using syncevolution as you have been using
[18:43] <TonyBoston> renatu, okay cool
[18:43] <renatu> TonyBoston, I will fix the update to not cause problem with the sync-evolution sources
[18:44] <TonyBoston> renatu, seems that there isn't an issue with calendars though
[18:44] <TonyBoston> so at least I don't have issues so far
[18:44] <renatu> TonyBoston, yeah we did not port calendar sync yet
[18:58] <TonyBoston> oh man
[18:59] <TonyBoston> launchpad is so confusing
[19:00] <TonyBoston> how can I "switch" to ubuntu touch?
[19:01] <dobey> switch from what?
[19:02] <TonyBoston> https://bugs.launchpad.net/
[19:02] <TonyBoston> I don't see a difference between "ubuntu" bugs and "touch stuff"
[19:02] <dobey> there isn't
[19:02] <dobey> there is no ubuntu touch. it's only ubuntu
[19:02] <TonyBoston> I know
[19:02] <TonyBoston> but its different anyway
[19:03] <dobey> if you want to report a bug against a specific package, report it against that package in ubuntu
[19:03] <dobey> if it's a click, then you need to report it against the upstream project
[19:03] <dobey> ifit's a general bug you don't know where to report, i guess you can report it at https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image
[19:04] <TonyBoston> thanks for making that clear
[19:04] <TonyBoston> but still, its confusing
[19:05] <dobey> yeah, i don't know if there will be something invented simialr to "distributions" in launchpad, so that we can have bugs filed against each different image, and deal with differences between package formats
[19:05] <dobey> would make it easier, but it's a very hard problem itself i guess :)
[19:06] <TonyBoston> sure is hard
[19:07] <TonyBoston> but there are distribution which have done that
[19:16] <dobey> no, i don't think so
[19:25] <pmcgowan> dobey, is the Maintainer in LP the only one that can approve MRs and such
[19:26] <dobey> no
[19:27] <dobey> pmcgowan: are you asking about the upstart branch?
[19:27] <pmcgowan> no in general
[19:27] <pmcgowan> trying to understand why I can approve some and not others
[19:27] <dobey> in general, the owner of the target branch is the only one whom can approve MPs
[19:28] <pmcgowan> where do I see who the branch owner is
[19:28] <dobey> the "~foo" part of the branch url is the owner. or just click on the branch link, and it tells you on the resulting page
[19:29] <pmcgowan> dobey, I see, and how does that ownership get configured
[19:30] <dobey> by default the owner(s) of a branch are the only ones whom can approve MPs into it. the "default reviewer" for a branch can also be changed, and then whomever that is may also approve MPs
[19:30] <pmcgowan> need to adjust some branches
[19:30] <pmcgowan> ok
[19:30] <pmcgowan> thanks
[19:30] <dobey> you might need to adjust default reviewer, probably don't need to change the owner. but i don't know which ones you're concerned about
[19:31] <pmcgowan> dobey, that answers my question ty
[19:31] <dobey> if it's for branches in lp:ubuntu/ then you need to become a motu or coredev :)


[22:04] <czajkowski> aloha
[22:55] <highvoltage> 'loha czajkowski
[22:55] <czajkowski> highvoltage: howdy
[23:23] <highvoltage> it sounds like everything is good in the world of czajkowski again :) that is good.
[23:24] <czajkowski> yup
[23:24] <czajkowski> :D
[23:24] <czajkowski> http://url.ie/7u2f