[03:51] <ElevyNJ> I was referred here from #ubuntu  i am running Ubuntu Desktop but installed a PPP server on it. My Windows 10 systems can connect but are not getting default routes so they can't get to the internet. I need help resolving this
[04:26] <ElevyNJ> I was referred here from #ubuntu  i am running Ubuntu Desktop but installed a PPP server on it. My Windows 10 systems can connect but are not getting default routes so they can't get to the internet. I need help resolving this
[04:41] <emanu_> I was referred here from #ubuntu  i am running Ubuntu Desktop but installed a PPP server on it. My Windows 10 systems can connect but are not getting default routes so they can't get to the internet. I need help resolving this
[05:07] <ponyofdeath> hi, trying to figure out why after a dist-upgrade to 14.04 for the latest updates it will now not boot my multipath server
[05:48] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:38] <jelly> ponyofdeath: how does it fail?  Do you have / on a multipath device?
[06:39] <jelly> and did you try the usual initramfs debugging stuff
[06:44] <lordievader> Does it boot a kernel/initramfs? Or does it fail before that?
[07:06] <deepquestions> hi@ll, is there a solution to use the yubikey HMAC-SHA1 in the channelResponse mode under ubuntu?? :)
[09:13] <deepquestions> hi@ll, is there a solution to use the yubikey HMAC-SHA1 in the channelResponse mode under ubuntu?? :)
[09:26] <OliverUK> Hiya, I have been looking around for a solution but clearly I don't know how to use Google.  What should I be looking at to run Windows VMs on a Ubuntu Server host?  Thanks in advance
[09:28] <lordievader> OliverUK: KVM.
[09:29] <OliverUK> lordievader: Is this the only option?  I was looking at KVM and it seemed a pretty steep learning curve
[09:29] <OliverUK> lordievader: Not a problem though if this is the way to go, I will sit and read :-)
[09:29] <lordievader> I suppose there are alternatives but I know of KVM that it works very well. I run Lightroom that way.
[09:35] <RoyK> OliverUK: apt-get install kvm virt-manager # virt-manager doesn't have a steep learning curve ;)
[09:36] <RoyK> it's just a nice GUI to do the KVM fiddly bits for you
[09:38] <OliverUK> RoyK: Trying to not have a GUI at all :-)
[09:38] <OliverUK> Might have to look at it in test though :-)
[09:38] <RoyK> OliverUK: not saying you should install X on the server - just use X on the client to avoid doing everything manually
[09:39] <lordievader> OliverUK: Virt-manager can connect over ssh. Just install virt-manager on your workstation.
[09:39] <OliverUK> lordievader: Nice, thank you :-)
[09:43] <RoyK> lordievader: probably better if he's using linux on the workstation ;)
[09:44] <RoyK> lordievader: I'm using OS X on my laptop, so less hassle to just run it from the server
[09:45] <lordievader> I thought I had seen virt-manager run on Windows somewhere, never looked into it though.
[09:45]  * lordievader dislikes X forwarding.
[10:00] <RoyK> lordievader: x forwarding just works ;)
[10:02] <lordievader> Meh, on crappy connections it is rather annoying. But then again, anything is.
[10:05] <RoyK> yeah
[10:59] <trijntje> I want to share a folder on my home network to other ubuntu pc's, what is the best way to do this with authentication, so you need a password to acces the share?
[10:59] <lordievader> I'd say Samba.
[11:01] <trijntje> is it possible to share ext over samba? I want to preserve things like hardlinks, softlinks, ownership, permissions etc
[11:01] <lordievader> Yes.
[11:02] <trijntje> lordievader: cool, I'll use samba then. Thanks
[11:17] <rbasak> frediz: any news on kimchi please? Do you have an ETA?
[11:44] <stemid> hi I upgraded from 12.04 to 14.04 and now root keeps getting these security errors saying "SECURITY information for host" "problem with defaults entries ; TTY=pts/10 ; PWD=/home/user" I've done visudo -cf on sudoers and every file in /etc/sudoers.d without any issues.
[11:44] <stemid> I've found that this could be because I am connected to an active directory in this bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sssd/+bug/1249777
[11:44] <stemid> I use sssd and it affects both local and remote users.
[11:45] <stemid> seems to indicate that sudo 1.11.7 will fix it.
[11:45] <stemid> will this upgrade ever come to ubuntu 14.04?
[11:47] <deepquestions> hi@ll, is there a solution to use the yubikey HMAC-SHA1 in the channelResponse mode under ubuntu?? :)
[11:47] <deepquestions> help
[12:04] <deepquestions> sry, wrong channel .... i retire my question. bb.
[12:14] <trijntje> what is considered a safe operating temperature for always-on harddisks? I"m testing my new WD disks now by writing to them from /dev/zero, and their at  33 C, is that OK?
[12:14] <trijntje> *their temperature is at 33 C
[12:17] <RoyK> trijntje: should't be a problem. drives normally likes it best < 50 degrees, 33 is nice. what drives don't like, is temperature varying a lot
[12:18] <trijntje> RoyK: what would varying a lot be? My house has crappy isolation, so it goes between 20-30C in the summer and maybe 14-20 in the winter, on a 24 hour cycle
[12:19] <RoyK> trijntje: I'd guess the drives get worn out a bit earlier, but hell, you're using RAID, right? ;)
[12:21] <trijntje> RoyK: yeah, zfs mirror of the 2 disks, and backups of course
[12:21] <RoyK> trijntje: also, drives normally won't keep room temperature - they naturally heat up - I don't think your situation varies very much from mine in terms of temperature diff, and I've been running these drives for 2-3 years without much issues (although one or two are having issues now)
[12:21] <RoyK> 7-drive raidz2
[12:23] <trijntje> RoyK: thats good to know, thanks. I guess i'll write some automated scripts to keep an eye on the temperature, to get a feeling for how much it actually fluctuates
[12:23] <RoyK> trijntje: smartmontools / smartd is always a good idea ;)
[12:24] <RoyK> trijntje: also, the standard disk plugin for munin draws nice graphs of disk temp
[12:25] <RoyK> trijntje: see pm
[12:27] <trijntje> RoyK: I hadn't heard about munin, but thats pretty cool. Thanks for the pointer, I'll try that out for sure
[12:28] <RoyK> trijntje: this is an old munin installation, mind, nicer graphs on 2.1.x
[12:28] <RoyK> erm - on 2.0, I mean
[12:28] <RoyK> this is old 1.4
[12:38] <trijntje> thanks again for the pointer to munin, I'll check it out for sure
[12:38] <RoyK> it's in the repos and is easy to configure - an apt-get away ;)
[14:33] <AEL-H> If I want to mount a disk using mount such that only root can access the mountpoint, how can I do this?
[14:35] <RoyK> AEL-H: chown root:root /that/mountpoint ; chmod 0700 /that/mountpoint
[14:36] <AEL-H> Well what I have done at the moment is mounted it at /mymountpoint/, and when I do chmod 700 /mymountpoint/ as root user, nothing is happening
[14:37] <RoyK> AEL-H: pastebin output of ls -ld /mymountpoint
[14:38] <AEL-H> It is just a one liner --
[14:38] <AEL-H> drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24576 Aug  1 19:14 /mymountpoint/
[14:38] <RoyK> what sort of fs?
[14:39] <AEL-H> standard windows -- should be ntfs
[14:39] <RoyK> then, as root, mkdir /safe ; chmod 0700 /safe, mkdir /safe/mp, mount whatever /safe/mp
[14:41] <RoyK> (replace some commas with ;)
[14:41] <AEL-H> so the problem is I can't chmod the folder, but I can mount it at a folder that has already been chmod'd?
[14:42] <RoyK> mhm - ntfs doesn't use the linux filesystem perms
[14:42] <AEL-H> That makes sense, thanks
[14:43] <RoyK> same applies to FAT
[14:44] <AEL-H> I can't unmount for some reason? It is saying the device is busy but I have no idea why that would be
[14:45] <RoyK> probably an open file somewhere - check with lsof
[14:51] <arosales>  I think smoser by be out this week, any volunteers for chairing this weeks ubuntu server irc meeting
[14:52] <smoser> i'm hree. and can chair
[14:52] <smoser> is that in 8 minutes ?
[14:52] <smoser> or 1:08
[14:52] <arosales> oh smoser!
[14:52] <arosales> smoser, in 1:08
[14:52] <arosales> thanks smoser
[16:08] <jak2000> my network card have a ip: <IP_ADDRESS>/24  how to add other interface(alias) for listen too in the network: <IP_ADDRESS>/24 thanks
[16:08] <RoyK> ip addr add dev eth0 <IP_ADDRESS>/25
[16:08] <RoyK> or something
[16:09] <RoyK> ip addr add dev eth0 addr <IP_ADDRESS>/25
[16:09] <RoyK> perhaps
[16:09] <jak2000> mmmm but i want work on network <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:09] <RoyK> then change the address and mask
[16:10] <RoyK> ip addr add dev eth0 addr <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[16:10] <RoyK> why would you want two different networks on a single nic?
[16:11] <jak2000> Error: an inet prefix is expected rather than "Addr"
[16:11] <jak2000> i am change from my hose to work and other places...
[16:11] <jak2000> then i want configure permanently both networks
[16:11] <jak2000> i know with alias eth0:1 but not remeber the sintax
[16:12] <RoyK> that's old stuff
[16:12] <jak2000> yes
[16:12] <sonne> greetings!
[16:13] <sonne> is xen-api available on 15.04 too? there seem to be no related packages on the repository, but iirc there was a working version on LTS...
[16:13] <RoyK> jak2000: ip address add <IP_ADDRESS>/24 dev eth0
[16:14] <jak2000> ifconfig only show <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:14] <jak2000> why? need restart the network services?
[16:15] <RoyK> ip addr list
[16:16] <RoyK> ifconfig is outdated
[16:16] <jak2000> done....
[16:16] <RoyK> and if you want that permanent, add 'up ip addr add ...' in /etc/networks/int
[16:16] <RoyK> and if you want that permanent, add 'up ip addr add ...' in /etc/network/interfaces
[16:17] <jak2000> yes i want permanently
[16:18] <jak2000> mmm wich line add?
[16:19] <RoyK> "up" means "whenever the network is upped"
[16:19] <RoyK> then the ip addr add thing
[16:20] <RoyK> just below the nic config
[16:20] <jak2000> ok
[16:20] <RoyK> https://www.garron.me/en/linux/add-secondary-ip-linux.html
[16:22] <jak2000> reading
[16:47] <jak2000> RoyK done...
[16:47] <jak2000> thanks
[16:53] <RoyK> jak2000: did it work after a reboot?
[16:55] <jak2000> yes
[16:55] <jak2000> reboother
[16:55] <jak2000> copied all the lines of eth0 and pasted, and changed eth0 to eth0:1
[16:55] <RoyK> no need for eth0:1
[16:56] <RoyK> that's deprecated
[16:56] <patdk-wk> unless your still using ifconfig
[16:56] <RoyK> just add "up ip address add ..." at the bottom of the eth0 config
[16:56] <patdk-wk> I noticed my rhel7 machines dont even have ifconfig installed
[16:56] <patdk-wk> I imagine that will break a lot of things for people
[16:56] <RoyK> patdk-wk: that ip addr add things works with even 10.04
[16:57] <patdk-wk> I know, ifconfig has been dead for ages
[16:57] <RoyK> patdk-wk: it broke a few things, but a yum install ifconfig worked well
[16:57] <jak2000> wait
[16:57] <jak2000> the url you gave me say add eth0:1
[16:57] <RoyK> patdk-wk: it broke vmware tools for one
[16:57] <jak2000> changing
[16:57] <patdk-wk> doesn't break vmwaretools for me
[16:58] <RoyK> patdk-wk: perhaps it's updated now - first time I installed RHEL/CentOS7, vmware tools complained rather badly
[16:58] <patdk-wk> right from vmware's repo
[16:59] <patdk-wk> I have used it since it came out, though it was mostly unusable till 7.1
[16:59] <patdk-wk> but starting to push some production load to it now
[16:59] <RoyK> guess I'd have to try without ipconfig again
[17:00] <RoyK> or ifconfig
[17:03] <ponyofdeath> anyone know of a write once read many ( WORM ) media that is Linux friendly? Does a filesystem exist for this already?
[17:03] <RoyK> patdk-wk: I don't know any filesystems supporting that
[17:03] <RoyK> erm
[17:04] <RoyK> ponyofdeath: that was for you, 19:03 <            RoyK > patdk-wk: I don't know any filesystems supporting that
[17:04] <jrwren> ponyofdeath: the ISO file system is exactly that.
[17:04] <ponyofdeath> RoyK: k thx
[17:04] <patdk-wk> I wish ufs was more usable
[17:05] <patdk-wk> ponyofdeath, the problem with worm, is it's very usecase dependent
[17:05] <ponyofdeath> jrwren: ok, but that is only encapsulating something already there correct
[17:05] <patdk-wk> there are many of them in linux, like initramfs, squashfs, ...
[17:06] <patdk-wk> there is also ltfs if you use lto tapes :)
[17:06] <jrwren> ponyofdeath: it depends on what properties you expect out of a filesystem. Yes, I guess? Don't all filesystems deal with data that is already there?
[17:06] <jrwren> ponyofdeath: or did you not mean the entire fs was write once, but maybe per file or something?
[17:06] <ponyofdeath> lol sorry this is for loggs
[17:06] <ponyofdeath> basically we want to make sure the logs are not tampered with
[17:07] <ponyofdeath> so if there is sometihng better that you guys know of besides WORM
[17:07] <patdk-wk> just use off-system logs
[17:07] <patdk-wk> and the old classic worm, a printer :)
[17:19] <RoyK> patdk-wk: does ufs have worm?
[17:20] <crinkle> is there any chance https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/neutron/+bug/1453188 can be backported to trusty? (or who would I ask if not here?)
[17:40] <adam_g> crinkle, it should be available in the trusty kilo packages via the cloud archive. or are you actually using the 2014.1 packages shipped in trusty?
[17:40] <crinkle> adam_g: no I'm using the cloud archive
[17:41] <adam_g> crinkle, oh, it looks like that updates still waiting to be synced out to cloud-archive kilo -updates.
[17:41] <adam_g> coreycb, jamespage ^
[17:42] <coreycb> crinkle, adam_g, kilo cloud archive should be released to -updates later wed or thurs
[17:43] <crinkle> cool, thanks adam_g and coreycb
[17:46] <neredsenvy> Anyone on ubuntu able to help with this https://gist.github.com/anonymous/8d38e61ab3d4ff3297ae trying to install mysql-server-5.6 smooth installation, configuring password however service fails to start
[17:47] <RoyK> neredsenvy: why mysql?
[17:47] <neredsenvy> ...
[17:47] <RoyK> ..--..
[17:48] <neredsenvy> lets not do the which is better disscussion
[17:48] <neredsenvy> *discussion
[17:49] <jelly> because obviously the answer is percona-server-server (-server)
[17:49] <coreycb> beisner, testing is good from my end and yours at this point with kilo-proposed in the CA.  can you plan on promoting to -updates wed pm or thurs?  that'll have given us 7 days in -proposed.
[17:50] <RoyK> well, if you're installing from git, try #mysql
[17:51] <beisner> coreycb, yep, i'll plan on it.
[17:51] <coreycb> beisner, thanks
[17:51] <beisner> coreycb, thanks for all the updates!
[18:20] <ponyofdeath> could the tux3 versioning FS be used as WROM media?
[18:23] <OerHeks> write read once many ?
[18:41] <ObrienDave> writable read only memory? that's an oxymoron ;P
[18:42] <RoyK> no, it's about media that can be used for backups - only writable
[18:42] <ObrienDave> that would be WORM
[18:43] <ObrienDave> Write Once Read Many
[18:59] <pmatulis> waiting for the worms...
[20:03] <jelly> heh, is tux3 still alive
[22:49] <acmehandle> I'm on 14.04.01 with openssl 1.0.1f
[22:49] <acmehandle> How can I tell if I'm vulnerable to heartbleed?
[22:49] <acmehandle> I have self signed certificates
[22:49] <teward> acmehandle: have you ran 'apt-get update; apt-get upgrade' yet?
[22:50] <teward> also consider that self-signed certs are BAD if the site is in the wild and publicly accessible
[22:50] <teward> because there's no 'trust' in place
[22:50] <acmehandle> One of the first things I did earlier this year when I first got it up and running
[22:50] <acmehandle> Ah.  Ok.
[22:50] <teward> acmehandle: i mean, have you run that since
[22:50] <acmehandle> Nope.
[22:50] <acmehandle> Should probably do that.
[22:51] <acmehandle> It is an experimental vps.  so nothing live on it.  But I still want to know.
[22:51] <teward> acmehandle: well, there's always https://filippo.io/Heartbleed/
[22:51] <teward> if the VPS has a domain tied to the 'experimental' stuff, point it there.
[22:51] <teward> alternatively...
[22:51] <teward> um...
[22:51] <sarnold> you can install the unattended-upgrades package
[22:51] <teward> that too
[22:51] <teward> but also http://serverfault.com/questions/587839/is-there-a-way-to-manually-check-for-openssl-cve-2014-0160-vulnerability  <-- first answer for testing perhaps
[22:52] <teward> hmm
[22:52] <sarnold> it'll keep the thing up to date even if you don't log in often. granted, some services probably require restarting to make the updates work -- especially for e.g. openssl updates, your web servers or whatever need to be restarted
[22:52] <teward> there's a lot of test scripts out there though :P
[22:52] <teward> and yes, unattended-upgrades
[22:52] <teward> sarnold: if a system is managed by Landscape can it still have unattended-upgrades installed and set for security only?
[22:52] <acmehandle> No, its good.  I remember now.  I tested it against another ssl/tls testing website
[22:52] <teward> or would that be handled by Landscape instead
[22:52] <acmehandle> But I ran it against filippo.io just now
[22:52] <acmehandle> says all good
[22:53] <teward> acmehandle: then you're all set, just remember that if you're going Live to the world, don't use self-signed
[22:53] <teward> you'll get yelled at by people lol
[22:54] <sarnold> hopefully qualys's check can handle all the other issues even if you are self-signed
[22:54] <teward> it does
[22:54] <teward> it just really downgrades your grade because self-signed
[22:54] <sarnold> teward: I assume so, they have to have programmed it with the expectation that some package management will happen outside of landscape
[22:54] <teward> sarnold: cool.
[22:54] <teward> sarnold: BTW, i had fun with landscape.
[22:54] <teward> landscape and gitlab on the same server
[22:54] <acmehandle> I guess I should just get a cheap certificate from ssl start
[22:55] <teward> had to mess with a LOT of settings to make everything work, PLUS reverse-proxy via nginx xD
[22:55] <teward> i'm writing up a blog post on it :P
[22:55] <sarnold> teward: woo :) thanks for writing it up, I always like to read those sorts of things
[22:55] <teward> sarnold: interesting tidbit: one of the bits of Landscape listens on port 8080.  Gitlab's Unicorn implementation (for the Ruby handling) also listens on 8080
[22:56] <teward> gotta change the Gitlab one xD
[22:56] <teward> sarnold: i'mma write it with the "Caveats, Headaches, and Why This Is Evil"
[22:56] <teward> sarnold: it'll be aggregated on planet.u.c, once i publish
[22:56] <acmehandle> apt-get update should be enough right?
[22:57] <teward> maybe it can make it into the newsletter, i gotta poke pleia2 possibly
[22:57] <teward> acmehandle: that updates the list of software available, apt-get upgrade executes the actual updates
[22:57] <acmehandle> it'll do everything right?  Because it just flew right past didnt do a thing except check stuff
[22:57] <acmehandle> oh, heh
[22:57] <teward> (unattended-upgrades does that automatically though)
[22:57] <sarnold> acmehandle: it's a two-stage process -- update updates lists, upgrade (or dist-upgrade) downloads and installs packages
[22:57] <teward> ^ that
[22:57] <teward> as i said :)
[22:57] <acmehandle> openssl is not in the list it seems.
[22:58] <acmehandle> Why do i even bother with a vps, everyone is going to the cloud.
[22:58] <teward> acmehandle: apt-cache policy openssl
[22:58] <acmehandle> but I dont wanna go to the cloud
[22:59] <sarnold> "the cloud" can be more expensive, depending upon what you're doing.
[23:00] <acmehandle> I'm getting *** 1.0.1f
[23:00] <acmehandle> ubuntu 2.7 0
[23:00] <teward> pastebin the whole output lol
[23:00] <teward> !pastebin
[23:00] <acmehandle> What if I just run apt-get upgrade instead?


[00:18] <m0nkey_> I just upgraded to macOS Sierra on my MBA, just asked Siri what it's favourite animal is, it replied "Domo-Kun! Domo-Kun! Domo-Kun!"
 I can understand that.
[18:17] <davmor2> diddledan: oh not for the fact it's google just cause I'm happy with my hudl2 it does what I need it to, and if I had a google phone it would be whatever one my contract enabled me to have.  Hence not caring :)
[18:18] <diddledan> shame tesco got-out-of the market
[18:25] <diddledan> this is all well and good, except that it gives your phone a growth: https://igg.me/at/asapxconnect/x/4039834
[18:27] <zmoylan-pi> better a funny growth than a burning sensation? :-P
[18:28] <diddledan> it's also encouraging promiscuity between android and ios
[18:29] <zmoylan-pi> better than those dumphone oddballs... :-P
[18:30] <diddledan> I wonder if it's compatible with the new iPhone's lack of headphone hole?
[18:30] <zmoylan-pi> sitting in the corner wantonly using their phone while the smartphone users have to charge it 2-3 times... :-)
[18:31] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: we don't talk about morons
[18:31] <zmoylan-pi> says it uses lightning on apple
[18:32] <diddledan> yah, but if you've got that insertion in your hole how do you connect your headphones?!
[18:32] <zmoylan-pi> you just won't be able to listen to music AND charge your device unless you use wireless headphones or extra charging/audio cable dongle
[18:32] <diddledan> I kinda think it's solving a non-problem
[18:33] <diddledan> and making new problems in the process
[18:33] <zmoylan-pi> besides if your an iphone user you don't care about others and inflict your terrible taste in music on those around you by sodcasting
[18:33] <diddledan> sodcasting, eh?
[18:33] <zmoylan-pi> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sodcasting
[18:59] <diddledan> yoohoo! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37447016
[19:01] <zmoylan-pi> at least their brandname is back in the headlines...
[19:01] <zmoylan-pi> when's the last time that happened?
[19:01] <diddledan> 1998?
[19:03] <zmoylan-pi> bit of a blip earlier this year when they were sold but it was more of a 'wow, they're still going?' blip
[19:52] <diddledan> daftykins: mr robot season 2 is finished - go binge
[20:26] <Azelphur> Anyone have any opinions on this build? http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/VwfHWX steam / kodi machine :)
[20:29] <ali1234> you dont need a 500W power supply for that
[20:30] <Azelphur> ali1234: TDP is 327W, puts it right in the middle of a 500W PSU so optimal power consumption, that is also the cheapest >327W Gold SFX supply I could find
[20:31] <Azelphur> Gold SFX supplies are hard to find :<
[21:28] <diddledan> wat https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/09/european-copyright-ruling-ushers-new-dark-era-hyperlinks
[21:29] <zmoylan-pi> it's easy the only copies allowed henceforth will be if you deliver document to monastry to knock out a copy on vellum in 20 or so years...
[21:30] <zmoylan-pi> fingers crossed google just drops the companies who want this from their search results like they did before until they scream to be reincluded
[21:31] <ali1234> so basically if you have a blog with adverts and you link to torrents of copyright material you can now be held liable for that? boo hoo
[21:32] <zmoylan-pi> is a magnetlink a link
[21:32] <diddledan> err. no. if you link to an article on one website that happens to be a plagiarised article then you are held liable for not knowing that it was a copy
[21:34] <diddledan> there's an example put forth: "For example, a post calling out a plagiarized news article might link to the original article and to the plagiarized one, so that readers can compare and judge for themselves. According to this judgment, the author of that post could themselves be liable for copyright infringement for linking to the plagiarized article"
[21:34] <ali1234> except no
[21:34] <ali1234> because they could clearly quote sections of both articles and it would be considered fair use
[21:35] <zmoylan-pi> but you might include a link to sources
[21:35] <ali1234> yes
[21:35] <diddledan> nope. not allowed to quote now by the rules also by the European Commission
[21:36] <ali1234> these blog posts always do this thing where they say "this judgement means ..." and then give a hypothetical example
[21:36] <ali1234> that isn't how the law works
[21:36] <diddledan> any hyperlink that includes or is next-to text from the target without permission from that target is illegal
[21:42]  * zmoylan-pi pokes irc server with a stick...


[01:12] <mazda01> anyone familar with ATI Remote Wonder and how easy it is to setup?
[03:27] <arlen> !help
[03:27] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[04:28] <bllzz> I can't control the volume or mute function from within myth using my MCE USB remote.  Everything else works.  When i try to adjust the volume or to mute the sound, I see the appropriate overlay show up in the frontend (i.e. the volume slider) but there is no corresponding change in sound.  I tried changing between PCM and Master in the sound options, but that doesn't work.  What can I try next?
[09:32] <pgee> hi all. using 9.10 ubuntu.  installed using synaptic package manager . set up backend.   when run frontend from terminal, error message is mythv has not been compiled for pulseaudio
[21:39] <jmichelsen> I did an aptitude safe-upgrade today and for some reason it prompted me to uninstall mythtv-backend. Stupidly thinking that aptitude might have had an upgrade instore for it, I did it and now am without a backend. Why would aptitude prompt to remove mythtv-backend like that?
[21:42] <darthanubis> jmichelsen, never do that
[21:42] <darthanubis> even if it suggests it
[21:43] <jmichelsen> darthanubis: lol, I trust the machine too much I guess
[21:43] <darthanubis> add the autobuild repo from the site and you'll be fine
[21:43] <jmichelsen> darthanubis: thats the thing, I have it added
[21:43] <darthanubis> ouch
[21:46] <tgm4883> aptitude install mythtv-backend?
[21:48] <jmichelsen> tgm4883: I've done that and am sure I can set everything back up again, I was just curious why aptitude would prompt to remove it
[21:49] <tgm4883> jmichelsen, not sure why aptitude removed it, perhaps version conflict
[21:49] <tgm4883> you shouldn't have to re set everything up, most is stored in the db
[21:49] <jmichelsen> tgm4883: I did do a database backup as well before removing it, in case I do
[21:50] <jmichelsen> tgm4883: I wonder if it has anything to do with the perl upgrade from "myth-perl" to "mythtv-perl"
[21:50] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, ^
[22:18] <mrand> jmichelsen: mythtv-backend-master installed?
[23:19] <jmichelsen> mrand: tahnks, I had already reinstalled the mythtv-backend. almost all the settings are the same as there were, but some symlinks were removed and had to be recreated
[23:19] <jmichelsen> mrand: Alls well now though, thanks
[23:45] <jmichelsen> I'm havin some really weird problems with LIRC all stemming down to the fact that the daemon in init.d wont start, but I can start lirc manually via shell with the options I want it to use and it works fine. I've been fighting with it fora  few weeks, bandaiding it via screen + lirc commands, but I'd like to get it working. The service just tells me it failed to start. Anyone know where the logs for LIRC might be or where to
[23:51] <jmichelsen> !topic
[23:51] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about topic


[07:29] <ara> Hello!
[07:29] <jussi01> o/ ara
[07:29] <Myrtti> ohai
[07:29] <ara> hey jussi!, Myrtti
[07:29] <ara> I was trying to change the topic on the #ubuntu-testing channel, but it looks like I am not an op
[07:29] <ara> How can I request to be an op?
[07:30] <persia> That needs stgraber to sort it.
[07:30] <persia> And ought involve getting the channel organised so that it doesn't only depend on stgraber :)
[07:30] <jussi01> cripes, thats an awful small acceess list
[07:30] <ara> persia, yes, and stgraber is less involved in ubuntu testing lately
[07:31] <persia> ara: Yes, but he was around yesterday.  I'm sure we can sort it.
[07:31]  * persia will be happy to help
[07:31] <jussi01> SO yeah, we need stgraber or heno
[07:32] <Tm_T> hi
[07:32] <jussi01> Please ask them to also add the UbuntuIrcCouncil nick to the access list
[07:32] <persia> jussi01: Absolutely.
[07:32] <ara> jussi01, sure
[07:33]  * persia currently has several channels on the "align with IRCC guidelines" list.
[16:21] <erUSUL> !hcl
[16:33] <erUSUL> !frostwire
[21:44] <myrtti> topyli, Tm_T: fyi, per my request xob now has the modules needed for using cap_sasl.pl script in irssi http://pthree.org/2010/01/31/freenode-ssl-and-sasl-authentication-with-irssi/
[21:45] <Myrtti> almost on the right channel too. oh well.
[21:47] <topyli> oh, sekkurrytee
[21:47] <Myrtti> spread the looovee


 @Dan58 [<Dan58> anyone can help here?], but how do you need help?
[01:03] <kc2bez> @ecsamrl They didn't wait around for an answer.
[03:08] <furrykef> I'm not getting any sound. alsamixer seems to detect both my HDA Intel PCH and my Radeon's HDMI, but in PulseAudio I only see "HDMI / DisplayPort".
[03:08] <furrykef> I played around with the volume levels and muting in alsamixer. The only thing I accomplished was getting my mic to play back through my headphones.
[03:24] <furrykef> Hmm, I think this profile is associated with the correct device. But then why am I not getting any sound?
[03:51] <furrykef> I'ma just reboot and see if anythin' changes...
[04:12] <furrykef> Rebooting fixed it. Dunno why.
[09:22] <akem> Hoi.
[10:54] <merribob> hi all
[10:54] <merribob> does anyone know if the http://ppa.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/ppa/ubuntu/dists/xenial package repo has been decommissioned recently?
[10:54] <merribob> i couldn't see anything in the mailing list but now (as of the past couple of days) just get 403s
[10:56] <guiverc2> merribob, Lubuntu 16.04 reached EOL on April 2019 (3 years from release; only main Ubuntu desktop/server has 5 years)
[10:57] <merribob> yes, we need to upgrade :D  but we have a dependency on that ppa that's just started failing this week, wondered if i could pin down the specific reason
[10:57] <merribob> guessing this is going to speed up our migration (which is good!)
[11:05] <guiverc2> merribob, yeah the PPA has been disabled, I don't recall the specifics (recall mention of it here on irc)  but it had nothing for supported releases from what I can see
[11:15] <merribob> ok, thanks :)
 Hello - I am Getting notified of updates being available, but when I click to make it happen, one of them fails.
 So I try apt update in terminal, and that hangs and gives me an error message with an IP address that fails or something. Would it help to screenshot and attach it?
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://i.imgur.com/6GNyJz5.jpg Odd that an ubuntu server would fail
 And more odd that none of the ubuntu servers are https.
 Anyone?  Bueller?
 It looks like an issue with the local mirror.
 Why do you need https for the package download?
 Why wouldn’t you?
[16:53] <apt-ghetto> HTTPS is a transport encryption, but the packages are open source, well-known. There is nothing to hide.
 @kc2bez [It looks like an issue with the local mirror.], How do I try a different one?
[16:54] <apt-ghetto> And apt has its own integrity check, the packages are signed.
 @apt-ghetto [<apt-ghetto> HTTPS is a transport encryption, but the packages are open source, …], Security is about more than obfuscation.
[16:55] <apt-ghetto> Well, then tell me a good reason to use it
 @apt-ghetto [<apt-ghetto> And apt has its own integrity check, the packages are signed.], Signed packages seem...antiquated and inefficient.
[16:56] <apt-ghetto> Good that http is more efficient than https
 @apt-ghetto [<apt-ghetto> Well, then tell me a good reason to use it], I wasn’t meaning to get your knickers (assuming you’re wearing them) knotting
 @heysoundude [Signed packages seem...antiquated and inefficient.], Why?
 Well, you have to deliberately check a hash. I would think that you can have some better feeling of trust over https
 @heysoundude [How do I try a different one?], If you open "software Sources" from the menu -> Preferences you can change the "Download From:" to the main server.
[17:00] <apt-ghetto> Checking a hash is a check for integrity, whereas encryption is used to guarantee confidentiality. These are two completely different things.
 @apt-ghetto [<apt-ghetto> Checking a hash is a check for integrity, whereas encryption is use …], Correct
 @kc2bez [If you open "software Sources" from the menu -> Preferences you can change the " …], Thank you. It’s working now
 @heysoundude [Thank you. It’s working now], Happy to help.
 And it seems faster than the Canadian mirror I had been using.
 That is contrary to the idea of using a local mirror but I am glad it improved things.
 @kc2bez [That is contrary to the idea of using a local mirror but I am glad it improved t …], Right?  I’m about 7ms from one of the biggest datacenters that basically everything here live at or goes through. My own ISP included
 Lives at*
[17:08] <apt-ghetto> I can give you an example, when I needed to use https for apt: the firewall was blocking packages for Kali Linux. After using https, I was able to update my Kali without problems.
[17:10] <apt-ghetto> You can simply change the protocol in /etc/apt/sources.list from http to https and then it will use https or you can install apt-transport-https
 Hmmm...I might just do that.
 Both of those.


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[11:28] <xnox> LocutusOfBorg:  you didn't try to rebuild src:linux with new pahole in a ppa before forcesyncing dwarves did you? cause it appears to segfault across the board, breaking all kernel builds at the moment.
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[12:58] <xnox> LocutusOfBorg:  doing syncpackage --force libbpf to hopefully fix dwarves
[15:54] <bdmurray> apw: Do you know anything about the kernels uploaded for hirsute-proposed days before EoL? Having them there is blocking work on the EoL checklist.
[15:55] <apw> bdmurray, there was confusion about when the EOL date was; we are assuming they are dead to us.
[15:56] <bdmurray> apw: Can you use your AA powers to remove them then?
[15:56] <apw> bdmurray, sure ...
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[17:02] <schopin> vorlon: would you mind looking at LP: #1959002 ? I believe you've mentioned doing such a thing in the past.
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[17:53] <vorlon> schopin: yes I will have a look; I think bryceh had suggested blacklisting on the mailing list, I didn't follow up because I tend to be conservative in use of the blacklist, preferring to limit it to packages that by their nature cannot be useful on Ubuntu or directly conflict with how we do integration
[17:53] <vorlon> but I'll take another look today
[17:58] <schopin> I cannot find said email in my archives, nor can Google on lists.u.c :/
[17:59] <vorlon> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2021-December/041754.html
[17:59] <vorlon> I guess he didn't even suggest blacklisting it, just dropping it, and I still failed to follow up ;)
[18:04] <schopin> Uh. I never received this email, nor even this entire thread. Weird. In any case, lintian-brush does seem to show up frequently in +1 reports
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[18:10] <bryceh> yeah I got the impression digging into it that by it being a debian QA tool its rather by nature going to continually hit conflicts, and if it's not something we use to maintain Ubuntu we may not be gaining from the +1 labor it uses
[18:12] <bryceh> I'm definitely open to being wrong though.
[18:14] <schopin> that's the impression I got. I feel it is tightly coupled with lintian implementation details, and since we don't move at the same pace as Debian on lintian, it'll keep breaking in interesting ways.
[18:16] <LocutusOfBorg> xnox, the issue is the version update, not the sync itself, right?
[18:18] <LocutusOfBorg> oh the cmake patch :/
[18:28] <LocutusOfBorg> I did rebuild dwarves against libbpf, just to make sure we use that library
[18:30] <LocutusOfBorg> well, we got a debian bug #1004311
[18:34] <xnox> LocutusOfBorg:  at this point i tried everything and at the moment i prepare a downgrade (a patch to revert code to 1.21, but still call package 1.22) that builds kernels successfully
[18:34] <LocutusOfBorg> xnox, what about just commenting out the patch and use the embedded libbpf library?
[18:35] <LocutusOfBorg> I tried the 1.22 from upstream and it works fine. But when applying add_cmake_libbpf_enabled_option.patch, pahole segfaults.
[18:35] <LocutusOfBorg> this is from the bug report
[18:36] <LocutusOfBorg> do you have evidences that this won't work?
[18:36] <vorlon> bryceh, schopin: unfortunately my AA sanity checks show it has reverse-dependencies in the archive; someone needs to follow through and confirm whether these should also be removed or whatnot
[18:37]  * schopin discovers "routine-update"
[18:38] <schopin> I was convinced that lintian-brush was a leaf package, sorry about that :/
[18:39] <xnox> LocutusOfBorg:  i have tried 1.22 and 1.23 with libbpf external 0.4 0.5 0.6 git snapshot
[18:39] <xnox> LocutusOfBorg:  and with internal libbpf
[18:39] <xnox> LocutusOfBorg:  i think this is more about LTO support that is "new" in dwarves.
[18:39] <LocutusOfBorg> so disabling lto and reupload you mean?
[18:40] <xnox> no
[18:40] <LocutusOfBorg> lto is also new in lobbpf
[18:40] <xnox> LocutusOfBorg:  please do not upload anything
[18:40] <xnox> LocutusOfBorg:  none of the new codes work in any combination or lto settings
[18:40] <xnox> LocutusOfBorg:  the only thing i can make work for now, is revert to 1.21, which i have prepared as a patch.
[18:41] <xnox> LocutusOfBorg:  i will continue to debug / bisect this to figure out if this is a bad interaction with like binutils / new kernel / gcc / lto / new code etc.
[18:41] <xnox> LocutusOfBorg:  i.e. see this https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dwarves/1.22-2ubuntu1
[18:42] <xnox> the build1 would not do anything
[18:43] <schopin> vorlon: I'll dig deeper on this tomorrow morning, I'll document it on the bug report.
[18:43] <vorlon> schopin: ta
[18:46] <LocutusOfBorg> xnox, but how can lto be the culprit if debian has the same issue?
[18:47] <LocutusOfBorg> I would like to understand the embedded bpf which hash has
[18:49] <utkarsh2102> bdmurray: hey, could you please move packages to the updates pocket for LP: #1953673, whenever time allows?
[18:52] <bdmurray> utkarsh2102: will do
[18:53] <utkarsh2102> bdmurray: as always, thank you very much!
[18:53] <xnox> LocutusOfBorg:  i do not know the route cause of the bug yet; no combinations i have tried so far locally and in ppas of anything with newer dwarves works; i will get back to this tomorrow when i am back at work
[18:53] <xnox> *root
[19:13] <utkarsh2102> bdmurray: hey, I suppose we won't roll out Hirsute because of obvious reasons but is there a reason to not roll out Impish?
[19:15] <bdmurray> utkarsh2102: Well, I tried to but Launchpad didn't cooperate.
[19:21]  * bdmurray tries again
[19:22] <utkarsh2102> bdmurray: that worked, thank you! :D
[21:20] <xnox> LocutusOfBorg:  i wonder if we should wait for new fixed up binutils to be available first. if that will make any difference. cause the toolchain has been in flux as well for now
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[05:33] <superfly> Morning all.
[06:00] <nuvolari> o/ morning superfly
[06:02] <inetpro> good morning superfly, nuvolari and all
[06:03] <inetpro> superfly: interesting challenge and conversations you had last night
[06:04] <nuvolari> hello inetpro
[06:50] <superfly> inetpro: lots of fun too
[15:33]  * superfly must actually save his conversation with tumbleweed from last night somewhere so that he can read it again when he needs to mess with packages again
[15:33] <tumbleweed> hah
[15:48] <Langjan> hi all, for the first time in a long time I have printer problems again, my 12.04 has lost contact with my hp all-in-one.
[15:57] <superfly> Hi Langjan
[15:58] <superfly> Langjan: did you try removing it and adding it again?
[16:19] <Langjan> Hi superfly, yes I did, it deleted fine but will not reinstall.
[16:21] <Langjan> I also reinstalled hplip and rebooted, no go
[16:22] <Langjan> What makes me think there is a conflict is that if I click on the printer icon in the top toolbar, it shows three printers
[17:36] <Kilos> hi superfly and other peeps
[17:37] <superfly> hi Kilos
[17:48] <Kilos> poor maaz got a tail again
[17:51] <Kilos> hey zeref wassup
[17:57] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:54] <nuvolari> o/
[18:54] <nuvolari> lo
[18:54] <nuvolari> anyone travelling on the N3 often?
[19:02] <Squirm> depends which stretch
[19:02] <Squirm> @ nuvolari
[19:02] <Squirm> you do know it's about 600km long
[19:02] <Squirm> :P
[19:02] <nuvolari> Squirm: tugela toll plaza
[19:02] <Squirm> that's the N2
[19:03] <nuvolari> er, not
[19:03] <nuvolari> n2 is along the coast
[19:03] <nuvolari> n3 is from joburg to durban
[19:03] <Squirm> well, Tugela toll plaza isn't on the N3, for sure
[19:03] <Squirm> oh
[19:03] <Squirm> ok
[19:03] <Squirm> it could be
[19:03] <Squirm> it's the only toll I don't use
[19:04] <Squirm> because I live there
[19:04] <Squirm> what about it?
[19:04] <nuvolari> my dad got a speeding fine, doing 192km/h in a car with a top speed of 190km/h...
[19:04] <nuvolari> which I doubt, because you need to slow down for the toll gate
[19:05] <nuvolari> and besides, my dad hardly ever goes over 120
[19:05] <Squirm> ok
[19:05] <nuvolari> so just trying to figure out how valid that is
[19:07] <Squirm> hmm, sorry, wouldn't know. I live there, so when I hit the Freeway towards durbs I'm 20km away and when I hit it towards jhb it's in Harrismith
[19:08] <nuvolari> it's also after a sharpish turn
[19:10] <Squirm> you'll probably have to query it with them
[19:12] <Squirm> going to hit the shower. still sweaty after squash :P
[19:22] <nuvolari> hmm. I wonder if google removes cameras from street view
[19:32] <Banlam> i can't see them removign speed cameras from google maps
[19:33] <nuvolari> Banlam: are you able to confirm a visible speed camera?
[19:33] <nuvolari> I don't know exactly where one is to check
[19:33]  * Banlam checks
[19:33] <Banlam> there are a load around here :)
[19:34] <nuvolari> ah, there's 1 in bloem I know of :P
[19:35] <Banlam> http://g.co/maps/h9bjt
[19:37] <nuvolari> Banlam: thanks a million!
[19:37] <Banlam> np
[19:42]  * nuvolari wishes on a star
[19:42] <nuvolari> I mean, broadband