[22:27] <okay19> Once a bug has been fixed on a local branch, should I attach a patch to the bug in Launchpad or submit a merge proposal to the original package?
[22:28] <tarpman> okay19: either works. whether one is better than the other probably depends on what the maintainer of that package prefers
[22:28] <tarpman> okay19: out of curiosity, which package are we taking about?
[22:29] <okay19> tarpman: apt, specifically bug 1309658
[22:29] <ubot5`> bug 1309658 in apt (Ubuntu) "apt.conf man page should indicate # is also used for comments" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1309658
[22:47] <okay19> Also, should merge proposals contain a patch file or modify the source directly?
[22:50] <tarpman> okay19: that also depends on the package ;) in the case of your specific bug, I'd suggest attaching your patch to the bug: it looks to me like it's more likely to be integrated into apt upstream directly than to be carried as an ubuntu-specific change
[22:51] <tarpman> okay19: as far as a merge proposal, https://code.launchpad.net/apt/+activereviews has a couple of existing ones you could use as examples


[11:32] <streets> I can't see the some part of my hdd.. how can I see it.. ( file system is ntfs )
[11:32] <whyameye> I am trying to install the java runtime environment in Firefox as instructed on the ubuntu guide. When I get to sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5 it tells me this package doesn't exist. I have already added the extra repositories.
[11:32] <nicholaspaul> yes munir - ubuntu is the easiest distro, and the best :)
[11:32] <ompaul> !tell ak007 about ntfs
[11:32] <daaku> Drewfus: if its a second drive where you're only gonna store data, then you dont need freespace before or after
[11:32] <CookedGryphon> Hi, I'm buying a laptop from ebay, and there's one here that i like the look of, but it says that it is designed for windows XP and there are no drivers for other operating systems.  It's a Versa C140, specifications : http://help.nec-computers.com/uk/pib.asp?platform=platform_Mangusta&layout=1902
[11:32] <Kurz> Jovi: but, if i do that, can have any problemam with the sistem? or this normal...
[11:32] <Drewfus> daaku thanks
[11:32] <_frank_> whyameye: It's a problem with the reposiroty... not your fault
[11:32] <CookedGryphon> cos i want to install ubuntu on it but if i can't find drivers its useless
[11:33] <munir> Thanks <nicholaspaul>. Can you compare it with SuSE?
[11:33] <lexmark> jowi, I open the root terminal and I type "Dir".. it tells me I am in desktop.. thats when I start typing in that command
[11:33] <whyameye> _frank_, so how can I install JRE?
[11:33] <_frank_> whyameye: : the backport problems are only temporary I think. you still can download manually at http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/dists/hoary-extras/restricted/binary-i386/ the hoary-extras packages
[11:33] <_frank_> whyameye: then use dpkg to install
[11:33] <Drewfus> can anyone suggest a good music player for a library of 10,000+ songs
[11:33] <daaku> Drewfus: be careful with partitioning though, it has the potential to destroy data, make sure you've got backups
[11:33] <Drewfus> its brand new drive
[11:33] <whyameye> _frank_, any disadvantage to this?
[11:34] <Jowi> lexmark: you must be in the same directory as your .deb file to make sure. the error tells me that dpkg can not find the file with that name....
[11:34] <daaku> Drewfus: amarok on kde, rhythmbox on gnome, there's many other depending on how you access it
[11:34] <_frank_> no the end result is the same. you're only avoiding the problem in the repository this way
[11:34] <shamus> How can I make a .torrent file with bittorrent?
[11:34] <ak007> the channel is overloaded!!
[11:35] <Drewfus> daaku do those have easy support for .mp3 .aac .wma
[11:35] <Jowi> lexmark: use tab-completion to make sure. dpkg -i ymess<tab>
[11:35] <lexmark> the .deb file in the desktop Jowi....  there where the root terminal opens up to right?
[11:35] <ak007> can anyone one tell me how do i add a boot screen?????
[11:35] <nicholaspaul> munir - no i dont know Suse... but from what i've heard, Ubuntu is easier to use. You can custom install it from a slim, fast 500Mb distro up to a couple gigs if you want.
[11:35] <NoUse> ak007 google probably knows
[11:35] <cafuego_> if you can explain what a 'boot screen' is, sure.
[11:35] <nicholaspaul> Google knows :)
[11:35] <_frank_> whyameye: you run i386 right?
[11:35] <daaku> Drewfus: never used .wma or .aac files, so not quite sure
[11:35] <eamonn> ak007, that's coming in the next version: breezy.
[11:35] <lexmark> I'll try that
[11:35] <whyameye> _frank_, yes.
[11:35] <Drewfus> daaku thanks
[11:36] <nicholaspaul> hey cafuego_, i think i fixed my php prob from last night!!
[11:36] <whyameye> _frank_, I'm downloading now...
[11:36] <cafuego_> nicholaspaul: woo!
[11:36] <streets> CAN ANYONE TELL ME HOW CAN I MOUNT MY HDD PARTITION..
[11:36] <munir> Thanks nicholaspaul.
[11:36] <Jowi> streets: no need to shout man
[11:36] <streets> sorry for the caps..
[11:36] <nicholaspaul> cafeugo_... yea... i should have pointed the browser to the folder and clicked the file. Also i had trouble with 'any' file labelled testphp.php for some reason. Renaming it was fine!!
[11:37] <cafuego_> nicholaspaul: odd, very odd.
[11:37] <NoUse> !mount
[11:37] <ubotu> mount is, like, totally, the command to add partitions to your filesystem. For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives
[11:37] <Jowi> !windowsdrives
[11:37] <ubotu> windowsdrives is, like, totally, Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[11:37] <Jowi> streets: look up!
[11:37] <nicholaspaul> cafuego_ yea!! :) oh well! course, now i have a problem with xfce , i need a network manager.
[11:37] <Drewfus> daaku i dont see rythmbox on synaptic where can i find it
[11:37] <_frank_> cafuego_ expands the english vocabulary!
[11:37] <nicholaspaul> lol
[11:38] <streets> thanks
[11:38] <Jowi> np
[11:38] <nicholaspaul> :-(
[11:38] <cafuego_> _frank_: For profit and entertainment!
[11:38] <janne__> HI All!
[11:38] <lenny_> it's so much nicer running ubuntu i386 than amd64
[11:38] <daaku> Drewfus: its probably in universe or multiverse, cause apt-get shows it here
[11:38] <ak007> can i add a boot screen in 5.04 ?
[11:38] <vader1102> why are people private messaging me?
[11:38] <cafuego_> lenny_: omg lolz yo eye not leet tho!
[11:38] <_frank_> lenny_: I know... breezy might be better for amd64 hopefully
[11:38] <NoUse> !info rhythmbox
[11:38] <CookedGryphon> i'm gettgin that, blank messages
[11:38] <daaku> Drewfus: actually, i've got a stock ubuntu install here, and its a part of it
[11:38] <ubotu> rhythmbox: (music player and organizer for GNOME), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.8.8-7ubuntu5 (hoary), Packaged size: 1517 kB, Installed size: 4268 kB
[11:39] <cafuego_> ak007: Do you mean a bootsplash in grub? Yes.
[11:39] <Drewfus> where? daaku
[11:39] <nicholaspaul> yea, i'm getting blank PMs too.
[11:39] <shamus> vader1102, some kind of bot attack
[11:39] <Jowi> vader1102: some scriptkiddie is having a blast. disable "auto open dialog window" in the IRC menu in Xchat
[11:39] <vader1102> k
[11:39] <Drewfus> daaku i dont see it under audio
[11:39] <janne__> How can i remove icons from menus, like GAMES --->Enemy Territory (icon is gone, but frames is still in there)?
[11:39] <daaku> Drewfus: Music Player in Sound & Audio
[11:39] <nicholaspaul> vader1102, use the force against those bots... heheh
[11:39] <cafuego_> vader1102: '/mode vader1102 +CE'
[11:39] <whyameye> _frank_, beautiful! Worked like a charm!
[11:39] <lenny_> I hope so.  I was going to install breezy until I saw some horrible posts about the repos being full of broken apps :)
[11:39] <Drewfus> daaku i think i tried that and it said it didnt have the mp3 codec
[11:39] <_frank_> whyameye: great!
[11:39] <vader1102> cafuego, do I type that in?
[11:40] <cafuego_> vader1102: if you're an identified user, that will automatically ignore messages from non-indetified users.
[11:40] <vader1102> I should be
[11:40] <vader1102> I registered this nick
[11:40] <janne__> How can i remove icons from menus, like GAMES --->Enemy Territory (icon is gone, but frames is still in there)?
[11:40] <ompaul> for those getting annoyed by these muppets with their blank messages  /ignore<EMAIL_ADDRESS>all and /ignore<EMAIL_ADDRESS>all
[11:40] <cafuego_> non-identified as well
[11:41] <Jowi> janne__: all menu items are in /usr/share/applications
[11:41] <daaku> Drewfus: ah. try 'sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad', should fix it
[11:41] <Drewfus> daaku thanks again
[11:41] <nicholaspaul> i'm registered too, and i still get the messages
[11:41] <cafuego_> ompaul: Or download an run the delayed-join irssi script, what just doesn't display them (AT ALL) if they join, then leave before saying anything :-)
[11:41] <ak007> no when the boot screen when ubuntu is loading
[11:41] <vader1102> how do I set IRC to auto log in?
[11:42] <Jowi> janne__: there should be a menu editor somewhere as well, but i can not recall its name.... hmmmm....
[11:42] <CookedGryphon> smeg
[11:42] <ompaul> cafuego_ if I wanted to use irssi :-)
[11:42] <cafuego_> ak007: Like an image or something whilst the kernel loads? That's being added to breezy.
[11:42] <Jowi> CookedGryphon: cheers :-)
[11:42] <cafuego_> ompaul: If you don't, you deserve all the spammage you get.
[11:42] <Jowi> !smeg
[11:42] <ubotu> methinks smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[11:42] <ak007> is there anyway i can add to my 5.04?
[11:42] <janne__> oh...but there isnt game icon at all....those must be somewhere else...(?)
[11:42] <cafuego_> ak007: ... so with the correct kernel patches, hoary should be able to do it too.
[11:42] <cafuego_> ak007: You're after 'bootsplash'
[11:43] <nicholaspaul> Has anyone installed a net-watch app so you can watch people on your network?
[11:43] <nicholaspaul> put it this way.. i have kids!!
[11:43] <Jowi> janne__: yes, the icons are in different places. one is /usr/share/icons, /usr/share/pixmaps etc
[11:43] <ak007> and is there any way i can replace my Gnome file browser?
[11:43] <cafuego_> nicholaspaul: that was your first mistake...
[11:44] <lenny_> How do I get KDE as an option on the session list of the logon screen?
[11:44] <nicholaspaul> haha cafuego_
[11:44] <cafuego_> ak007: I doubt it; you could install one in addition to nautilus, though.
[11:44] <Jowi> nicholaspaul: i installed tcpspy. it logs all internet traffic (including from which machine accessed which webpage)
[11:44] <nicholaspaul> thing is, cafuego_, they didnt come with an uninstall app;)
[11:44] <ak007> how?
[11:44] <_frank_> lenny_: do you have kubuntu-desktop installed?
[11:44] <funkyHat> lenny_, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:44] <nicholaspaul> hows it work, jowi?
[11:44] <vader1102> the best NET NANNY is you sitting there watching, other than that I have a PASSWORD invironment
[11:44] <spola> i know the easiest way to stop being attacked by these bots ...
[11:44] <cafuego_> nicholaspaul: Didn't you know abortion is legal until they can do higher maths?
[11:45] <nicholaspaul> i'm in canada, i think its when they can talk here.
[11:45] <lenny_> ouch 330 MG :(
[11:45] <ak007> cafuego_: do u know any except  nautilus?
[11:45] <lenny_> er MB
[11:45] <cafuego_> ak007: nah
[11:45] <cafuego_> ak007: apt-cache search file manager
[11:45] <janne__> i see....now i know where icons are....but where games or other programs save their informations in menus?
[11:45] <cafuego_> nicholaspaul: does that mean if Bush went to canada, he could be aborted? :-)
[11:45] <tck_> hi
[11:46] <nicholaspaul> you got it cafuego_ :)
[11:46] <tck_> i get this error 'configure: error: OpenSSL crypto library missing' when compiling a program
[11:46] <tck_> any ideas ?
[11:46] <ak007> can i install KDE on ubuntu?
[11:46] <lenny_> holy crap
[11:46] <cafuego_> whctacha compiling?
[11:46] <nicholaspaul> yes ak007
[11:46] <funkyHat> ak007, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:46] <nicholaspaul> ak007 - it works great, i use it all the time :D
[11:46] <lenny_> in canada you can kill your 1 year old and say - "I changed my mind"?
[11:46] <lenny_> heh
[11:46] <ak007> o
[11:46] <nicholaspaul> lenny_ haah! but you cant use a gun;)
[11:46] <cafuego_> lenny_: Seems only fair, no?
[11:46] <Jowi> nicholaspaul: its a daemon. runs silently. it logs all connections to /var/log/syslog i think. it will show you date/time - from ip - to ip - www/ftp/etc
[11:46] <ak007> im u know a newbie
[11:47] <Drewfus> is there an easier way to use another hard drive other than editing fstab
[11:47] <RichardP> hi people, whats ubuntu like for general server tasks?  Looking to install something on my recently ressurected SMP system
[11:47] <nicholaspaul> oh we've all been there ak007
[11:47] <CookedGryphon> tck, do u have the ssl libraries?
[11:47] <cafuego_> Speak for yourself, I was born 133+.
[11:47] <vader1102> RichardP, is it a USB hard drive?
[11:47] <Jowi> nicholaspaul: it even say "www:<IP_ADDRESS> (google)" or something like that. i haven't looked for awhile since i am the only user herer
[11:47] <Jowi> !info tcpspy
[11:47] <lexmark> how do I log in as root btw?
[11:47] <ubotu> tcpspy: (Incoming and Outgoing TCP/IP connections logger), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 1.7d-3 (hoary), Packaged size: 36 kB, Installed size: 156 kB
[11:48] <ompaul> cafuego, maybe just maybe I start to use irssi :(
[11:48] <ak007> do i have to compile the source?
[11:48] <_frank_> ak007: for what? Kde? no
[11:48] <RichardP> vader1102: no, standard PATA, just looking for a webserver with php5, mysql, mailserver etc.  people keep mentioning ubuntu everywhere i go, so i thought id look into it :)
[11:48] <eamonn> lexmark, sudo -s, then type your password (*your* password)
[11:48] <ak007> so where can i download kde for my ubuntu?
[11:49] <RichardP> and why do people keep messaging me but not say anything?
[11:49] <lexmark> thanx eamonn
[11:49] <_frank_> ak007: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop you type that in a console
[11:49] <vader1102> oh, sorry for some reason I keep thinking everyone is on a laptop lol
[11:49] <eamonn> lexmark, welcome
[11:49] <CookedGryphon> RichardP, every1's gettin that
[11:49] <nicholaspaul> at the terminal ak007. i think someone said it was 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:49] <RichardP> CookedGryphon: only seems to be in this chan tho
[11:49] <_frank_> ak007: or you can also use synaptic to install that package
[11:49] <CookedGryphon> i meant every1 in this channel
[11:49] <RichardP> ahh
[11:50] <Drewfus> when i edit this fstab will it change for all users?
[11:50] <zeedo> RichardP: /mode richardp +E
[11:50] <Jowi> Drewfus: fstab is for the system, so yes.
[11:50] <zeedo> RichardP: that should stop it
[11:50] <Drewfus> thanks
[11:50] <rob_p> CookedGryphon:  Not me :-)  At least yet...
[11:50] <RichardP> whats mode +E?
[11:50] <zeedo> RichardP: only registered users can message you
[11:50] <RichardP> ahhh
[11:51] <RichardP> cheers
[11:51] <zeedo> np
[11:51] <nicholaspaul> THIS has to be the best channel - there are always some super helpful chaps here :D hehe
[11:51] <ak007>  _frank_ : i get an error E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-desktop
[11:51] <RichardP> so, worth installing ubunu for mundane server type tasks or is it strictly a desktop distro?
[11:52] <nicholaspaul> RichardP : depends what you mean by mundane. I have one machine running xfce and all it does is play mp3s.
[11:52] <CookedGryphon> ak007, Y NOT USE SYNAPTIC?
[11:52] <ttyS0> i didn't get an answer on #kubuntu & #kde, so: "hello. i've a problem with russian encodings in KDE. i've installed KDE not a long time ago (i prefered Gnome). A Big part  of apps is working normally, but there are problems with internet application, for example Kopete. It doesn't show russian nicknames in ICQ. What should I do?"
[11:52] <medamaybe> does anyone know how I can set my screen resolution without having to set it again everytime I boot?
[11:52] <RichardP> nicholaspaul: apache, php, mysql, email, ftp, etc
[11:52] <NoUse> !tell ak007 about synaptic
[11:52] <ak007> what is  SYNAPTIC?
[11:52] <tritium> medamaybe, have you run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" ?
[11:52] <Jowi> RichardP: you can choose at installation if you want server (stripped) or desktop version.
[11:52] <medamaybe> uhm...no
[11:53] <medamaybe> what's that?
[11:53] <CookedGryphon> ak007, its a package manager
[11:53] <nicholaspaul> ak007 - its the way to download all apps. Go to Terminal and type sudo synaptic.
[11:53] <RichardP> Jowi: that sounds exactly what i want :)
[11:53] <tritium> medamaybe, it's a way to reconfigure the xserver settings, including resolution
[11:53] <RichardP> cheers, i guess i will start downloading
[11:53] <medamaybe> tritium: is it noob-secure?
[11:53] <ak007> o so how do i run it?
[11:53] <nicholaspaul> richardp: Have fun, and if you need a light/fast setup, use xfce not gnome
[11:53] <p8ntballer> ahhh somebody help me i cant change my video resolution!! i tryed what it said on wiki but it didnt work
[11:53] <nicholaspaul> ak007 - sudo synaptic.
[11:53] <RichardP> nicholaspaul: there wont be a gui at all
[11:53] <CookedGryphon> ak007,  and you can just search for kde and it will come up with all the packages related to that, n mark kubuntu-desktop for installation n it will sort the dependencies
[11:53] <tritium> medamaybe, more or less
[11:53] <nicholaspaul> richardp xfce is a gui yes
[11:54] <Jowi> RichardP: i use it mostly for Desktop but am running ftp, samba, vnc, apache and ssh server on it as well
[11:54] <medamaybe> k, I'll give it a try, thanks
[11:54] <daaku> i'm a little new to linux-ppc, can someone recommened a good bootable rescue cd for ppc, with support for the wierd powerbook keyboards hopefully?
[11:54] <RichardP> nicholaspaul: i know it is, i wont be running x
[11:54] <nicholaspaul> richardp: but you dont 'need' a desktop, no.
[11:54] <nicholaspaul> richardp: oh ok, gotcha. :)
[11:54] <p8ntballer> i cant change my screen res any help....?
[11:54] <Jowi> RichardP: if you choose server install, not even X is installed
[11:54] <RichardP> nicholaspaul: im not a n00b :) just never touched ubuntu before
[11:55] <RichardP> currently got openbsd on there
[11:55] <nicholaspaul> richardp: ok.. sorry. I got my Linux feet wet with Ubuntu and cant think of a reason to use anything else.
[11:55] <lexmark> can someone tell me what I am doing wrong... I logged in as root, and then typed in dpkg -i ymessenger_1.0.4_1_i386.deb to install yahoo messenger...  but I get this error root@94544:~# dpkg -i ymessenger_1.0.4_1_i386.deb
[11:55] <lexmark> dpkg: error processing ymessenger_1.0.4_1_i386.deb (--install):
[11:55] <lexmark>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[11:55] <lexmark> Errors were encountered while processing:
[11:55] <lexmark>  ymessenger_1.0.4_1_i386.deb
[11:55] <RichardP> nicholaspaul: i use openbsd at work, and OSX at home
[11:56] <ak007> it can find anything maybe i have to add repos?
[11:56] <p8ntballer> can somebody help me with my screen resolution i cant get it to work??
[11:56] <nicholaspaul> RichardP.. good man :) i use OSX for all work. Linux for everything else.
[11:56] <Drewfus> where should my moint point be for my extra hard drive?
[11:56] <Jowi> lexmark: it can not find the file you are trying to install. make sure you're in the same directory as the file you downloaded.
[11:56] <RichardP> hoary or warty?
[11:56] <tritium> p8ntballer, try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", abd make sure you select the resolutions you want
[11:56] <pax> !resolution
[11:56] <ubotu> resolution is, like, totally, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:56] <RichardP> ahh hoary is the latest
[11:56] <NoUse> !tell ak007 about repositories
[11:57] <lexmark> jowi, when I am in the root... I type in "dir" and tells me I am in desktop
[11:57] <ak007> i know but where can i find ubuntu repositories?
[11:57] <Jowi> lexmark: yes, but is your file there?
[11:57] <nalioth_wrkn> lexmark: type in "pwd" instead of 'dir'
[11:57] <lexmark> yes, file is in the desktop... looking at it right now
[11:57] <NoUse> ak007 ubotu told you, it says where to find official repositories
[11:57] <p8ntballer> tritium, i tryed that nothing happened
[11:57] <lexmark> sitting on the brown ubuntu screen
[11:57] <luser> hello all, I'm a very new linux use, but am trying to give a go with ubuntu. I'm having a problem with loading programs or updates because of a repository problem
[11:57] <tritium> p8ntballer, nothing?
[11:57] <nicholaspaul> ak007 - are you registered on the forum?
[11:58] <p8ntballer> nope
[11:58] <Drewfus> where should i set the mount point for my extra hard drive
[11:58] <ompaul> RichardP, hoary, beta is breezy, due in Oct - DI makes it fun - and apt-get beats pkg_install most of the time :)
[11:58] <misfit_toy> any good recommendations for games for little kids? like from 3 and up?
[11:58] <p8ntballer> its stuck at 640 by 480
[11:58] <lenny_> I hate that changing /etc/profile didn't work
[11:58] <daaku> Drewfus: whereever you want, just make sure the directory exists. usually mount points are in /mnt
[11:58] <RichardP> ompaul: cheers :)
[11:58] <eamonn> misfit_toy, tuxracer.
[11:58] <cafuego_> ak007: Start SYnaptic,  choose Settings -> Repositories -> click Add
[11:58] <p8ntballer> this is pissing me off
[11:58] <misfit_toy> eamonn, too demanding on the video
[11:58] <Drewfus> thanks
[11:58] <tritium> p8ntballer, it should do _something_
[11:58] <pfp> p8ntballer: did you restart X too?
[11:59] <luser> I used the beginning user guide, but I keep getting this
[11:59] <eamonn> misfit_toy, my kids like it. For a while (you get bored quickly).
[11:59] <p8ntballer> how to i restart x?
[11:59] <nicholaspaul> p8ntballer - there should be info on the forum. I cant remember exactly how.
[11:59] <p8ntballer> im a noob
[11:59] <misfit_toy> eamonn, she's on a laptop with no acceleration
[11:59] <Jowi> lexmark: if you're sure then you're not doing anything wrong. maybe a corrupt file.
[11:59] <luser> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/u niverse Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary-secu rity_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[11:59] <cafuego_> p8ntballer: logout, hit ctrl-alt-backspace
[11:59] <nalioth> howdy tritium cafuego_
[11:59] <ompaul> misfit_toy, have a look at the debian educational stuff it is useful
[11:59] <lexmark> let me try downloading it again
[11:59] <tritium> hola, nalioth
[11:59] <cafuego_> nalioth: mornin'
[11:59] <luser> but as far as I can tell that is the correct repository path
[12:00] <eamonn> misfit_toy, ahh. There's lots of Web-based flash games for kids. Maybe try a few of those?
[12:00] <nicholaspaul> i guess p8ntballer logged out...
[12:00] <CookedGryphon> I'm buying a laptop from ebay, and there's one here that i like the look of, but it says that it is designed for windows XP and there are no drivers for other operating systems.  It's a Versa C140, specifications : http://help.nec-computers.com/uk/pib.asp?platform=platform_Mangusta&layout=1902


[00:18] <Scunizi> Yuken: you could probably ssh the items across and if it's linux to windows then use Putty on the windows side.
[00:18] <Scunizi> sorry wrong paste.
[00:18] <Scunizi> I have 2 pdf printers available. In the print dialogue the 2nd shows 'Print to File (PDF)'.  It also doesn't show in CUPS or the gui printer setup dialogue. I need to change it's defaults. Any ideas where to look or how to do it?
[00:22] <SporkWitch> Scunizi: does putty behave with scp? i'd generally recommend bitvise tunnelier for the windows side, makes life a lot easier, and when you establish a connection it gives a nice GUI file explorer you can use to drag and drop files between the local and the remote
[00:23] <Enkidu_ak> SporkWitch, WinSCP also seems nice
[00:24] <SporkWitch> Enkidu_ak: never used it.  i came across tunnelier years ago and ended up just using that until i got rid of windows entirely
[00:25] <Enkidu_ak> SporkWitch, Comander-style interface, nice queuing and scheduling capabilities, open source.
[00:25] <SporkWitch> Enkidu_ak: it feels almost like having a normal ssh client + scp, only on windows.  does file transfers, SOCKS proxy, terminal session.  it might even allow X11 forwarding, but i never tried that
[00:25] <SporkWitch> never used comander either lol
[00:25] <Scunizi> SporkWitch: I believe so.
[00:26] <Enkidu_ak> I've never done any X11 forwarding in windows either. I don't use windows anymore so I doubt I'd have the opportunity to try it
[07:20] <Noah123> Anyone here can guide me through the install?
[07:28] <Noah123> I have some queries ...
[07:29] <ahoneybun> Noah123: what's up :)
[07:38] <Noah123> ahoneybun: Not so much :) I wanna dual boot install Kubuntu with Windows, currently I have Windows, and 80 GB unallocated space. I have Kubuntu on a bootable USB but I don't know what's next ...
[07:39] <Noah123> Would appreciate help ...:)
[07:39] <ahoneybun> what version of Kubuntu?
[07:39] <Noah123> 14.04.2
[07:40] <ahoneybun> ok cool :)
[07:40] <ahoneybun> let me grab the Docs and walk you though it
[07:40] <Noah123> In PM or here?
[07:40] <ahoneybun> here is fine
[07:40] <ahoneybun> https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu/Installation
[07:40] <Noah123> And thanks!
[07:40] <Noah123> I wanna do it with dual boot
[07:41] <Noah123> Thank you
[07:41] <ahoneybun> as always make backups of everything
[07:41] <Noah123> I don't have anything important
[07:41] <Noah123> Anyway, the disk setup is the hard thing
[07:41] <Noah123> I don't understand it
[07:41] <ahoneybun> yea
[07:42] <ahoneybun> are you on windows at the moment?
[07:42] <Noah123> Yep!
[07:42] <Noah123> I have an USB
[07:42] <Noah123> with kubuntu
[07:42] <ahoneybun> awesome
[07:42] <Noah123> Well, I can chat with you on another computer
[07:42] <Noah123> OK?
[07:42] <ahoneybun> yea of course
[07:42] <Noah123> Ok
[07:42] <Noah123> one moment! :)
[07:43] <ahoneybun> need to lookup the windows tool anyway
[07:43] <Noah123> K
[07:43] <ahoneybun> go tit
[07:43] <ahoneybun> *got it
[07:43] <noah1234> Okay I'm on another computer, now
[07:44] <ahoneybun> sweet
[07:44] <ahoneybun> on the windows computer hit the keys
[07:44] <noah1234> :)
[07:44] <ahoneybun> "win key + r"
[07:44] <noah1234> And ...?
[07:44] <ahoneybun> or search for disk management
[07:44] <noah1234> done
[07:45] <ahoneybun> I want to look at your current hard drive to know where the windows is
[07:45] <noah1234> C:\
[07:45] <ahoneybun> so I know where not to touch
[07:45] <noah1234> Don't touch C:\ or D:\
[07:46] <ahoneybun> think of your hard drive as a Sub
[07:46] <noah1234> C:\ = Windows (235 GB empty) D:\ = Recovery Partition
[07:46] <ahoneybun> before you install any operating system (windows, kubuntu) it is a whole sub
[07:46] <ahoneybun> got it?
[07:46] <noah1234> Maybe ... I have shrunk the C:\ partition and now I have 80 GB unallocated space ...
[07:46] <noah1234> before
[07:47] <ahoneybun> yea the C: partition is one part of the sub
[07:47] <noah1234> so basically I have 80 GB unallocated space I can make partitions of
[07:47] <noah1234> right?
[07:47] <ahoneybun> yea
[07:47] <noah1234> :)
[07:47] <noah1234> so what's next?
[07:47] <ahoneybun> is kubuntu on a dvd or usb?
[07:48] <noah1234> USB
[07:48] <noah1234> created with UNetbootin
[07:48] <noah1234> if that's ok.
[07:48] <ahoneybun> ok so put the usb in the computer that you want to install Kubuntu on
[07:48] <ahoneybun> yea it works great with ubuntu  (kubuntu, xubuntu)
[07:48] <ahoneybun> them all that are based on ubuntu
[07:48] <noah1234> Ok
[07:48] <noah1234> And now?
[07:48] <noah1234> I have the USB in the PC
[07:49] <ahoneybun> reboot the computer
[07:49] <noah1234> k
[07:49] <ahoneybun> most computers have a key you have to press when booting up
[07:49] <noah1234> yeah
[07:49] <noah1234> F9
[07:49] <ahoneybun> to boot from a usb/dvd
[07:49] <ahoneybun> press that
[07:49] <ahoneybun> when it first boots
[07:49] <ahoneybun> should pop up a menu to pick your usb from
[07:49] <noah1234> When I do it it a screen comes, asking be to choose an option "Default" "Start Kubuntu" or wait for it to boot
[07:50] <noah1234> unetbootin menu
[07:50] <ahoneybun> start kubuntu
[07:50] <ahoneybun> it will run a live Kubuntu
[07:50] <noah1234> ok then this screen pop ups again
[07:50] <ahoneybun> not doing anything to the hard drive (for now)
[07:50] <ahoneybun> the menu is coming back on again?
[07:50] <noah1234> Yes
[07:51] <noah1234> but loadinh
[07:51] <noah1234> now Kubuntu started!
[07:51] <ahoneybun> awesomesauce
[07:51] <ahoneybun> now on the desktop there is a widget with something called "install kubuntu"
[07:52] <noah1234> yea
[07:52] <ahoneybun> click that
[07:52] <noah1234> Ok
[07:52] <ahoneybun> it will start the install app
[07:52] <noah1234> Should I connect to WiFi?
[07:52] <noah1234> it asks
[07:52] <ahoneybun> yea that is best
[07:52] <noah1234> k
[07:52] <ahoneybun> and to be connected to power
[07:53] <ahoneybun> after that you should be here https://userbase.kde.org/File:Prepare.png
[07:53] <noah1234> one moment
[07:53] <ahoneybun> ok
[07:54] <ahoneybun> wow 4am almost
[07:54] <noah1234> Yep im there
[07:54] <ahoneybun> ok check the 2 boxes
[07:54] <noah1234> Ok!
[07:55] <noah1234> Now?
[07:55] <noah1234> done
[07:55] <ahoneybun> click next
[07:55] <ahoneybun> on the bottom
[07:55] <ahoneybun> sorry continue
[07:55] <noah1234> done
[07:55] <ahoneybun> now does it show windows is installed?
[07:56] <noah1234> It shows all my partitions plus the unallocated 80 GB space
[07:56] <ahoneybun> ok good
[07:57] <ahoneybun> click the manual button
[07:57] <ahoneybun> 5th option
[07:57] <noah1234> https://userbase.kde.org/images.userbase/8/8b/KubuntuDiskSetup.png
[07:57] <noah1234> ok
[07:58] <noah1234> Continue?
[07:58] <ahoneybun> yea on the bottom
[07:58] <noah1234> done
[07:58] <ahoneybun> now we should be here https://userbase.kde.org/File:Manual.png
[07:58] <noah1234> https://userbase.kde.org/images.userbase/b/b5/Manual.png
[07:58] <noah1234> Yeah
[07:58] <ahoneybun> it should show some partitions with NTFS
[07:59] <ahoneybun> that is the windows os
[07:59] <noah1234> yea
[07:59] <ahoneybun> under type
[07:59] <noah1234> and the unallocated free 80 GB space
[07:59] <ahoneybun> don;t touch those
[07:59] <ahoneybun> yea
[07:59] <ahoneybun> click that then add
[07:59] <noah1234> Ok
[07:59] <noah1234> now?
[07:59] <ahoneybun> make the size 72GBs
[07:59] <ahoneybun> opps
[08:00] <ahoneybun> yea yea
[08:00] <ahoneybun> if you want to use the whole 80gbs
[08:00] <noah1234> In MB? I can use 85899 (maximum)
[08:00] <noah1234> MB
[08:00] <ahoneybun> we will leave 8 for swap
[08:00] <noah1234> Ok
[08:00] <ahoneybun> 72GB
[08:00] <noah1234> In MB how much?
[08:00] <ahoneybun> let me check
[08:01] <noah1234> But it says I have 85,9 GB
[08:01] <noah1234> 85899 MB
[08:01] <noah1234> to be exact
[08:01] <ahoneybun> it never cuts it in perfect sizes
[08:02] <noah1234> oh ok
[08:02] <ahoneybun> as long as it is not NTFS we are safe
[08:02] <noah1234> it unallocated
[08:02] <noah1234> it's*
[08:03] <ahoneybun> yea thats what we want
[08:03] <noah1234> so what should I here?
[08:03] <ahoneybun> ext4 is the file system type
[08:03] <noah1234> yea
[08:03] <ahoneybun> http://static.grabi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Hard-disk-partition-in-Ubuntu1.jpg
[08:03] <noah1234> ext4 journaling file system
[08:04] <noah1234> primary or logical? how much MB? beginning or end? Mount point?
[08:04] <ahoneybun> primary, 72000, beginning, /
[08:04] <ahoneybun> wait end
[08:04] <noah1234> ok end
[08:05] <ahoneybun>  / is like C:\
[08:05] <ahoneybun> but for Linux/Unix
[08:05] <noah1234> I have Swedish keyboard layout, but Kubuntu has US ...
[08:05] <ahoneybun> now there should still be some space left
[08:05] <ahoneybun> later in the installer you can change that
[08:05] <ahoneybun> not sure if it has swedish in there but we'll see
[08:05] <noah1234> ok
[08:06] <ahoneybun> if not I'll file a bug
[08:06] <noah1234> Thanks so much!
[08:06] <noah1234> yes 13 GB
[08:06] <ahoneybun> oh woo
[08:06] <ahoneybun> *woo
[08:06] <ahoneybun> crap
[08:06] <ahoneybun> lol
[08:06] <noah1234> it says :)
[08:06] <ahoneybun> ok click that and then add like we did before
[08:07] <noah1234> but it's "unuseable"
[08:07] <ahoneybun> its not paritioned
[08:07] <ahoneybun> can you click it?
[08:07] <ahoneybun> and click the add button?
[08:07] <noah1234> yes
[08:07] <noah1234> no
[08:07] <noah1234> not the add button
[08:08] <noah1234> maybe we need to add the swap partition first ?
[08:08] <ahoneybun> no we can remove the partition you just made and redo it
[08:08] <noah1234> ?
[08:08] <ahoneybun> click the ext4 / partiton
[08:09] <noah1234> yes
[08:09] <ahoneybun> and click delete
[08:09] <noah1234> k
[08:09] <ahoneybun> then select it again and click add again
[08:09] <noah1234> there is an "undo" button also...
[08:09] <noah1234> ok
[08:09] <noah1234> you mean select.. the 80 GB unallocated space?
[08:09] <ahoneybun> yea
[08:10] <noah1234> done
[08:10] <noah1234> and how much MB etc.?
[08:10] <ahoneybun> 64000
[08:10] <noah1234> 64000?
[08:10] <ahoneybun> primary, 64000, end, /
[08:10] <ahoneybun> yea
[08:10] <noah1234> before it was ... 72000
[08:10] <ahoneybun> 64000 = 64GB
[08:10] <noah1234> ext4 or?
[08:10] <ahoneybun> we did not have any space left for swap
[08:11] <ahoneybun> ext4
[08:11] <noah1234> ok now we have 21,9 GB left
[08:11] <noah1234> and it's unuseable
[08:11] <noah1234> as before
[08:11] <ahoneybun> what the
[08:12] <noah1234> can't click Add
[08:12] <ahoneybun> can you take a picture and upload it somewhere
[08:12] <noah1234> maybe we need to create the swap partition first?
[08:12] <noah1234> yes with my smartphone
[08:12] <ahoneybun> I will get it right
[08:12] <noah1234> ?
[08:12] <ahoneybun> I make the / then the swap
[08:12] <noah1234> Ok
[08:12] <ahoneybun> how much ram do you have on the computer?
[08:13] <noah1234> 4 GB
[08:13] <ahoneybun> do you game or do video editing?
[08:13] <noah1234> not so much
[08:13] <noah1234> sometimes video editing
[08:13] <noah1234> on Windows...
[08:14] <ahoneybun> oh ok lets remove the partiton
[08:14] <ahoneybun> and use the whole space
[08:14] <ahoneybun> 86GBs
[08:14] <noah1234> on the docs it says we need swap partition
[08:14] <ahoneybun> under 4GBs of ram it is recommened
[08:14] <noah1234> I have 4 GB
[08:14] <noah1234> ...
[08:15] <ahoneybun> tbh I'm running without it
[08:15] <hateball> You need swap if you ever intend to suspend
[08:15] <noah1234> What do you mean?
[08:15] <hateball> "viloläge"
[08:15] <ahoneybun> oh?
[08:15] <noah1234> Oh ok
[08:15] <noah1234> When I set it in sleep mode...
[08:15] <hateball> suspend to disk, hibernate perhaps is the proper term
[08:15] <ahoneybun> hateball: any idea why the space is unusable?
[08:15] <hateball> one is to ram, the other is to disk, I forget which since I dont use it
[08:15] <noah1234> after the / partition
[08:16] <noah1234> ahoneybun: on one video they create the swap part first
[08:16] <noah1234> and it works on the video
[08:16] <ahoneybun> noah1234: I'm really sorry but I'm falling asleep
[08:17] <noah1234> oh...
[08:17] <noah1234> ok...
[08:17] <ahoneybun> its 4am here lol
[08:17] <noah1234> :D
[08:17] <hateball> I'm not really sure what you're trying to achieve here. If all you want to do is dualboot with Windows, the installer has an automagic option for that
[08:17] <noah1234> when can we continue?
[08:17] <ahoneybun> I'll be on later today
[08:17] <noah1234> hateball: where?
[08:17] <noah1234> ok ahoneybun cya!
[08:17] <ahoneybun> hateball: sometimes it does not see the windows
[08:17] <ahoneybun> noah1234: I'm reachable on email as well
[08:18] <noah1234> email address in PM ahoneybun
[08:18]  * ahoneybun falls to sleep
[08:18] <hateball> ahoneybun: Is that a certainty in this case?
[08:19] <hateball> If the installer finds your Windows partitions, it should offer to "install alongside other OS" or some such
[08:19] <noah1234> It doesn't
[08:19] <noah1234> have this option
[08:19] <hateball> If the installer doesnt see the ntfs partitions, I'd reboot into Windows and run chkdsk on the partition/s first
[08:19] <noah1234> It see the NTFS partitions
[08:20] <noah1234> but not this option
[08:20] <noah1234> "Windows 7 (ntfs)"
[08:21] <hateball> noah1234:Which version of Kubuntu is this?
[08:21] <noah1234> hateball: 14.04.2
[08:21] <hateball> Strange
[08:22] <hateball> Oh well, I havent dualbooted in aeons so I'll take a backseat here
[08:22] <noah1234> Ok ....;(
[08:23] <noah1234> "After installing Windows 7 or 8, you need to have a logical partition to install Ubuntu alongside it. If you don't have a logical partition then the option Install Ubuntu alongside Windows is missing."
[08:24] <noah1234> If I create a logical partition of the unallocated 80 GB, would it work?
[08:25] <noah1234> with this option
[08:25] <noah1234> hateball
[08:27] <hateball> noah1234: Sure, you can partition manually and pick mountpoints and such, but you'll need to know what you're doing then so you don't accidentally lose data
[08:28] <noah1234> But it says the "Install alongside Windows 7" will be available if I, before the installation create a logical partition of the unallocated 80 GB
[08:28] <noah1234> would that work?
[08:28] <hateball> You could try, it wont break anything
[08:28] <hateball> There's a partition tool included on the live-usb
[08:30] <noah1234> unetbootin?
[08:35] <valorie> noah1234: it shouldn't matter what application you used to burn the ISO
[08:35] <valorie> the iso has the partition tool included
[08:35] <valorie> kparted as I recall
[08:36] <noah1234> valorie: do you have any ideas why the space is unuseable after creating the / ext4 partition?
[08:36] <valorie> I don't
[08:36] <noah1234> ok...
[08:39] <valorie> !partition
[08:40] <valorie> probably the best advice in that link above, noah1234
[08:41] <noah1234> Well I don't understand this really
[08:42] <valorie> it does not come easily to me, for sure
[08:42] <valorie> every time I have to do it, I have to re-read the docs
[08:48] <noah1234> ok...
[08:56] <yossarianuk> hi - where is the best room to ask about upstart jobs (I 'm trying to work out why it doesn't start on boot)
[08:57] <noah1234> Should the swap partition be logical?
[08:58] <yossarianuk> noah1234: it doesn't matter
[08:58] <yossarianuk> noah1234:  also you can use a swap file for same performance (since kernel 2.6.x)
[08:59] <noah1234> swap file?
[09:00] <valorie> yossarianuk: are you running the beta, or what?
[09:03] <yossarianuk> valorie: the query regarding the upstart script I have made is on the LTS 14.04
[09:04] <yossarianuk> (I am running 15.04 beta @ home _)
[09:04] <yossarianuk> and really liking it....
[09:04] <valorie> ah, ok
[09:05] <yossarianuk> There are a couple of issues with it - 1) no weather widget (2) when you go to unlock the desktop it doesn't focus in the password field
[09:05] <valorie> I know nothing of upstart scripts
[09:05] <valorie> true
[09:05] <valorie> I hope the weather widget will be coming soon
[09:05] <yossarianuk> cool - my question really was the when is the best place to ask.
[09:05] <valorie> and there is a bug filed about the lockscreen
[09:05] <noah1234> Well everything I want is to install Kubuntu using dual boot with Windows but it's not working!!
[09:05] <valorie> for now, what works is hitting tab twice
[09:06] <yossarianuk> valorie: yep thats what I do..
[09:06] <yossarianuk> when you first login though it does focus..
[09:06] <valorie> right
[09:06] <valorie> it is the lockscreen, something is stealing focus
[09:07] <valorie> last I heard, the thief had not been spotted yet
[09:07] <yossarianuk> Obviously its the NSA........
[09:07] <valorie> noah1234: people will be along soon who can help you
[09:08] <valorie> sorry, all I have to offer is that link, if the docs that ahoneybun linked you to earlier don't help
[09:08]  * valorie heads bedward
[09:36] <aftereyo> System Settings was unable to find any views, and hence has nothing to display.
[09:36] <aftereyo> dafuq is that?
[09:36] <aftereyo> Kubuntu 15.04
[09:39] <aftereyo> when trying to open system settings
[10:06] <herol3oy3333> hi.. there is only one file in my flash memory bigger than 2GB (it's name is ????? so i can not rename it normaly). how can i find it and then rename it to "hello" for example???
[10:09] <noah123> I have been trying to install Kubuntu with Dual Boot (Windows 7) for weeks now, I have no idea how
[10:10] <noah123> Can't someone guide me through the install? Please ...
[10:11] <noah123> :)
[10:19] <owlman> noah123: have you tried https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot
[11:22] <soee> good morning
[11:55] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[12:24] <yossarianuk> hi - will this be in 15.04 ->  https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.2.2.php
[12:25] <soee> yossarianuk: it already is :)
[12:26] <yossarianuk> groovy !
[12:26] <yossarianuk> i.e 15.04 already has it ?
[12:26] <soee> yossarianuk: hes if you are on daily updates
[12:26] <yossarianuk> cool - I am @ home.
[12:26] <soee> tomorrow final Vivid Beta will be released
[12:26] <yossarianuk> 15.04 seems really nice BTW
[12:26] <soee> and you can tets it
[12:27] <soee> indeed :)
[12:27] <yossarianuk> I shall do on my work laptop...
[12:27] <yossarianuk> the nightly iso had issues with install (on uefi)
[12:27] <yossarianuk> I had to install twice in order to get the UEFI entry,.
[12:27] <yossarianuk> (nightly from 21 march)
[12:29] <soee> oh
[12:31] <Trustcorner> Hi
[12:31] <Trustcorner> ahoneybun, are you online?
[12:32] <soee> ;o
[12:33] <Sparasite> Hey!
[12:33] <Sparasite> :)
[12:34] <soee> hiho Sparasite
[12:34] <Sparasite> soee, do you know much about (K)ubuntu?
[12:34] <Sparasite> Having problems
[12:35] <soee> Sparasite: just ask
[12:36] <Sparasite> I have already did, a lot of times ...
[12:36] <Sparasite> No-one can really help
[12:36] <Sparasite> It seems like
[12:36] <Sparasite> Can you help me
[12:38] <hateball> I don't think many of us are mindreaders
[12:38] <soee> Sparasite: how can we help if we dont now what the problem is
[12:39] <yossarianuk> Sparasite: just ask the question...........
[12:39] <Sparasite> Well it's not the first time I ask this (no real answer). I don't know how to install Kubuntu using Dual Boot with Win 7
[12:39] <yossarianuk> Sparasite: what aspect are you having issues with ?
[12:39] <Sparasite> And I have problems when I do it
[12:40] <yossarianuk> i.e .............
[12:40] <Sparasite> And that's because I'm a newbie
[12:40] <Sparasite> I do it wrong
[12:40] <Sparasite> I have read all the docs etc,
[12:40] <soee> Sparasite: simplest way ? install windoes, create separate partitions for Kubuntu and use Wubi to install linunx
[12:41] <soee> and you are done
[12:41] <soee> i assume you have read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot ?
[12:41] <Sparasite> Wubi?
[12:41] <Sparasite> Yep
[12:41] <soee> Sparasite: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide
[12:41] <yossarianuk> wubi isn't supported any more
[12:41] <Sparasite> But I wanna use Kubuntu
[12:42] <Sparasite> yossarianuk, "Wubi is an officially supported installer for Windows XP, Vista and 7 users that allows Ubuntu to be installed and uninstalled in a safe, easy way as with any other Windows application."
[12:42] <yossarianuk> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/04/wubi-advice
[12:42] <yossarianuk> 'Ubuntu Website Warns Windows 8 Users: Don’t Use WUBI'
[12:42] <Sparasite> I am using Windows 7
[12:42] <yossarianuk> but I see you said 7
[12:42] <Sparasite> Yep :D
[12:42] <Sparasite> Is Wubi the recomemnded way?
[12:43] <Sparasite> For win 7
[12:43] <yossarianuk> wubi is awful
[12:43] <hateball> wubi is... I dont see why anyone would use it
[12:43] <yossarianuk> wubi is slow/unsupported/crap
[12:43] <BluesKaj> Sparasite, you could dual boot or use a VM
[12:43] <yossarianuk> whats the point in installing crap
[12:43] <Sparasite> I hate VM's
[12:43] <Sparasite> I wanna dual boot
[12:43] <yossarianuk> I would shrink win7 partition and dual boot
[12:43] <Sparasite> I have done that
[12:44] <yossarianuk> great
[12:44] <Sparasite> Shrunk the C:\ and I have 80 GB unallocated space
[12:44] <Sparasite> Don't know what do with the USB (Kubuntu)
[12:44] <Sparasite> The installation (disk setup) is not newbie-friendly
[12:44] <yossarianuk> Sparasite: its pretty user friendly .....
[12:44] <Sparasite> Nope, I don't think so
[12:45] <Sparasite> I have no idea what to do
[12:45] <soee> but i think you can also just: have installed windows, leave empty partitions for kubuntnu and run Kubuntu from USB or CD and just inistall it
[12:45] <soee> it will configure all
[12:45] <Sparasite> Empty partitions?
[12:45] <Sparasite> Partition or PartitionS?
[12:45] <soee> Sparasite: use separate partition for / and separate for /home
[12:46] <soee> than if you reinstall system all your user data will stay untouched
[12:46] <soee> also if your pc i low spec, you can ceate swap
[12:46] <Sparasite> I have 4 GB RAM
[12:46] <Sparasite> installed
[12:47] <soee> BluesKaj: swap is recommended for what RAM on the board ?
[12:47] <rmrfchik> any tips to run kubuntu-plasma5-14.10-desktop-i386.iso in virtualbox?
[12:47] <Sparasite> Well, I have 80 GB unallocated space and an USB
[12:47] <Sparasite> With Kubuntu
[12:47] <soee> rmrfchik: why would you want to do that ?
[12:48] <soee> rmrfchik: use vivid
[12:48] <rmrfchik> soee: vivid?
[12:48] <Sparasite> Can someone help me install? I have been trying to get help for weeks now ...
[12:48] <soee> rmrfchik: Kubutnu 15.04
[12:48] <soee> *kubuntu
[12:48] <rmrfchik> soee: can't find it on http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu
[12:49] <Sparasite> ;(
[12:49] <BluesKaj> soee, probly under 6G , i don't need any swap on my laptop with 8G RAM
[12:49] <soee> rmrfchik: because it is in Beta stage now: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[12:49] <soee> BluesKaj: so do i
[12:49] <rmrfchik> soee: thanks!
[12:49] <soee> Sparasite: this partition is empty ?
[12:50] <soee> and separate ?
[12:50] <Sparasite> I have, as said, 80 GB unallocated space and a Kubuntu USB
[12:50] <Sparasite> shrunk from the C:\
[12:50] <soee> Sparasite: ok so run installer from USB, when you get into ste where you need to select partition than:
[12:51] <soee> 1. create new one for / and set its size to ~ 20GB
[12:51] <soee> 2. create second partition for /home and use rest free space
[12:51] <Sparasite> File system? Beginning or End?
[12:52] <soee> i use ext4 for both
[12:52] <Sparasite> Beginning or End?
[12:52] <Sparasite> No swap partition?
[12:52] <BluesKaj> Sparasite, ok , either burn gparted to cd or install on a usb and use it to set your partitons up beforehand, makes it much easier to install IMO
[12:52] <soee> you can create swap for 4gb ram i think
[12:53] <soee> BluesKaj: installer will do it just fine i thinnk
[12:53] <Sparasite> IMO?
[12:53] <soee> imo - in my opinion
[12:53] <BluesKaj> soee, the installer can be confusing to new users, but to each his own
[12:54]  * Sparasite brb
[12:54] <BluesKaj> the installer partitioning phase that is
[13:00] <soee> Sparasite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo2k8pO4O_Y
[13:02] <soee> on the movie he does not create separate /home partition
[13:02] <soee> but you should do it
[13:02] <soee> Sparasite: always pick begining
[13:10] <BluesKaj> soee, he's on windows 7 , dunno if the video applies
[13:10] <soee> BluesKaj: it does
[13:10] <soee> the partitioning tool is the same i think
[13:11] <soee> and that is the only one important thing but he also said he already has free space
[13:11] <soee> so teh windows part can be skipped ;)
[13:11] <BluesKaj> the boot manager phase as well?, never seen that before
[13:13] <soee> he will have Windows 7 option in GRUB
[13:13] <soee> just to boot into windows
[13:14] <BluesKaj> not grub, in the video he chooses the boot manger and suddenly grub appears from nowhere it seems
[13:23] <Sparasite> Hi
[13:24] <Sparasite> How much MB should the swap area be? (SHould I have one?)
[13:25] <Sparasite> soee
[13:26] <Sparasite> or BluesKaj...
[13:27] <soee> Sparasite: uh hard ot say, i think somone mentioned twice of ram size but
[13:27] <soee> i dont think that much will be needed
[13:27] <Sparasite> Well...
[13:27] <Sparasite> Ok
[13:27] <Sparasite> So should I begin with /, or /home ?
[13:27] <soee> set it maybe to 2 or 4 GB
[13:27] <Sparasite> Or swap?
[13:27] <Sparasite> ok
[13:28] <soee> Sparasite: doesn matter much i think
[13:28] <Sparasite> But what do you mean with RAM?
[13:28] <Sparasite> it's from the unallocated 80 GB...
[13:28] <Sparasite> not my RAM?
[13:28] <soee> Sparasite: i heard once someone told that if for example  you have 4GB ram than swpa should have 8GB
[13:28] <soee> but i don't think it is true
[13:29] <soee> i have 8GB ram here on my laptop and i do not have swap at all
[13:29] <Sparasite> The person who created the docs told me I should have 12 GB swap?
[13:29] <soee> naaah
[13:29] <Sparasite> Well, ok...
[13:29] <Sparasite> So how much Swap? If needed
[13:29] <soee> as i said set 2 or 4 :)
[13:30] <Sparasite> First, do I need swap?
[13:30] <soee> Sparasite: it might be usefull for some heavy taks when all your ram is used
[13:30] <soee> than some data goes through swap
[13:30] <Sparasite> But what do you mean with RAM?
[13:30] <BluesKaj> for 4G RAM , 6G swap is optimum
[13:30] <Sparasite> It's from the unallocated space
[13:30] <Sparasite> on my hard driv
[13:30] <Sparasite> drive*
[13:31] <soee> Sparasite: yes  but we are talking about how much memory - RAM - you have on your pc
[13:31] <Sparasite> Ok
[13:31] <soee> and depends of it the swap size
[13:32] <Sparasite> The swap partition I create is from the hard drive space?
[13:33] <Sparasite> right?
[13:33] <soee> yes
[13:33] <Sparasite> Why are we talking RAM?
[13:33] <Sparasite> :)
[13:33] <soee> we dont
[13:33] <Sparasite> Oh k
[13:33] <soee> RAM is RAM
[13:33] <soee> swpa is some space on hdd
[13:34] <Sparasite> So what do I need?
[13:34] <soee> that is used when your RAM is used in 100%
[13:34] <Sparasite> A swap parition, / patition, and /home?
[13:34] <soee> Sparasite: yes
[13:34] <Sparasite> And the swap partition should have 4 GB?
[13:35] <soee> Sparasite: you decide, if you plan to do some heavy thik like video processing or similiar when your 4GB RAM might be all used
[13:35] <Sparasite> Yes
[13:35] <Sparasite> I'm gonna do that
[13:35] <soee> than swap is used,
[13:35] <Sparasite> And then 4 GB is enough?
[13:35] <yossarianuk> Sparasite: I would just use 4 GB - you can always add a swap file later if you need more (you wont)
[13:36] <Sparasite> Ok what's 4 GB in MB?
[13:36] <yossarianuk> 1024 x 4
[13:36] <soee> ?
[13:36] <Sparasite> oh k
[13:36] <yossarianuk> 4096 M
[13:36] <soee> ah :)
[13:36] <Sparasite> Primary or Logical?
[13:36] <Sparasite> Beginning or End? And mount point?
[13:37] <soee> Sparasite: set mountpoint to: swap
[13:37] <soee> ;D
[13:38] <Sparasite> File system should be set to "swap"?
[13:38] <soee> sorry
[13:38] <soee> use as: swap
[13:38] <Sparasite> So not leave the mount point empty?
[13:38] <Sparasite> as on the video
[13:38] <soee> you wont be able to set mount point if you set type to swap
[13:38] <Sparasite> yes
[13:39] <Sparasite> I am able to
[13:39] <Sparasite> or
[13:39] <Sparasite> the field is still there
[13:39] <BluesKaj> !
[13:39] <soee> Sparasite: field yes but i think it is disabled
[13:39] <BluesKaj> !enter
[13:39] <Sparasite> Oh k
[13:39] <soee> BluesKaj: ?
[13:39] <Sparasite> Beginning or End & Logical or Primary?
[13:40] <BluesKaj> nm soee
[13:41] <Sparasite> :)
[13:42] <Sparasite> Sorry if I ask a lot of questions - I'm a newbie
[13:43] <drdozer> hi - is it possible to use chrome applications, like tweetdeck, as if they are kde native apps?
[13:43] <drdozer> without the browser window decorations and all that stuff
[13:44] <soee> Sparasite: i think for all partitions use Begining and logical when needed, i think one primary (with windows is enough and bootloader goes there)
[13:45] <Sparasite> Which should be primary?
[13:47] <soee> Sparasite: http://askubuntu.com/questions/121197/ubuntu-installation-partitioning-logical-or-primary
[13:48] <yossarianuk> Sparasite: just use logical
[13:48] <yossarianuk> Sparasite: note - if you had GPT/UEFI they would all br primary
[13:51] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk, think his pc is pre 2010 , he's got W7
[13:51] <yossarianuk> sure - that was just for reference ...
[13:51] <soee> drdozer: thati  dont know
[13:51] <yossarianuk> (you could always be using GPT though with bios boot partition)
[13:52] <yossarianuk> (sorry - i realise i could be just confusing things..)
[13:52] <BluesKaj> drdozer, rhat's not even relevant , that's a google twitter client, doesn't it run on chrome
[13:52] <BluesKaj> ?
[13:54] <rmrfchik> soee: vivid also crashes in virtualbox :(
[13:54] <rmrfchik> soee: almost immediatelly after "Start kuubuntu"
[13:54] <ROOM1> ho
[13:54] <ROOM1> hi
[13:55] <soee> rmrfchik: crahes how ?
[13:55] <soee> ROOM1: hiho
[13:55] <rmrfchik> soee: vbox windows is closed and status is "terminated"
[13:55] <ROOM1> What r u doin
[13:55] <rmrfchik> btw, I have debian, winxp, win7 running in this vbox
[13:56] <BluesKaj> !u | ROOM1
[13:56] <ROOM1> kk
[13:56] <ROOM1> okay
[13:56] <soee> rmrfchik: i thought the VB crash was fixed already
[13:57] <rmrfchik> soee: any special settings for vm may be?
[13:57] <soee> rmrfchik: hard to say it never crashed and close VB window for me
[13:57] <rmrfchik> what version?
[13:58] <soee> when i was testing Vivid beta1, there were only problems with graphic settings, i had to play with acceleration etc
[13:58] <rmrfchik> soee: vbox version?
[13:58] <rmrfchik> 4.3.18-96516 here
[13:59] <soee> im not sure what version i had back then not it is 4.3.26
[13:59] <rmrfchik> err, "segfault at 618 ip 00007f2989b69b41 sp 00007f298d492c40 error 4 in VBoxDD.so" in dmesg...
[14:00] <soee> :/
[14:01] <rmrfchik> well, and debian is still running successfully
[14:02] <rmrfchik> aha, found. Switching on "PAE/NX" cause vbox crash, switching it off diasbles kubuntu start
[14:03] <soee> nice :)
[14:03] <rmrfchik> sad I can't try it :(
[14:36] <noah123> Is a swap partition optional?
[14:38] <soee> noah123: yes
[14:41] <noah123> And it can turn off in sleep mode any way?
[14:41] <BluesKaj> noah123, one can also create a swap file if necessary, thus preserving a primary partition for other uses
[14:42] <noah123> And it can turn off in sleep mode any way?
[14:42] <noah123> without a swap file/partition
[14:43] <BluesKaj> don't think so ..you need a swap partition for sleep afaik and it has to be larger than your ram
[14:51] <noah123> It says I will experience installation errors during installation without swap (gonna add it later)
[14:52] <noah123> is that OK?
[14:52] <noah123> can I ignore it?
[14:53] <noah123> :)
[14:53] <soee> what error ?
[14:54] <noah123> "It says I will experience installation errors during installation without swap (gonna add it later)"
[14:54] <noah123> can I ignore it?
[14:54] <noah123> The "" is because I sent it before
[14:54] <noah123> can I ignore it? I need an answer quick & fast now...
[14:55] <noah123> :)
[14:55] <noah123> please? Can I ignore the warning? I will add swap later
[14:56] <BluesKaj> yes
[14:56] <noah123> ok thnx!
[14:56] <noah123> so it will not be errors during installation?
[14:56] <noah123> as the message said
[14:57] <noah123> "You may experience errors while installing."
[14:57] <BluesKaj> I've seen that warning, and I ignored it successfully
[14:57] <noah123> Ok!
[14:58] <BluesKaj> noah123, it is easier to create a swap now , it shouldn't take too long
[14:58] <noah123> Can't. It says "unuseable" on all unallocated spaces
[14:59] <BluesKaj> yeah need to create a linux swap on a small partition like 6G or so on one of the unallocated spaces
[15:00] <BluesKaj> unallocated is unusable until you creat a file system like ext4 or linux swap
[15:15] <noah123> BluesKaj: I can't create a partition from it
[15:15] <noah123> Can I do it later instead ?
[15:15] <noah123> after installation
[15:16] <BluesKaj> noah123, do you have an ext4 partiiton ready for kubuntu?
[15:16] <noah123> Yea
[15:16] <noah123> But not swap can I add it later?
[15:16] <noah123> after installation
[15:17] <noah123> BluesKaj
[15:19] <BluesKaj> noah123, yes, it should be ok
[15:24] <noah123> k
[15:31] <yossarianuk> noah123: you can add a swap file after install
[15:31] <yossarianuk> noah123: since kernel 2.6 its the same performance using a swap file as partition.
[15:32] <BluesKaj> he was getting an error message about problems if he didn't setup a swap
[15:32] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk,^
[15:33] <yossarianuk> ah sorry...
[15:33] <noah123> yossarianuk: I'm using 14.04.2
[15:33] <noah123> That isn't possible there?
[15:33] <noah123> or?
[15:34] <BluesKaj> noah123, you're way beyond the 2.6 kernel , not to worry
[15:35] <noah123> BluesKaj: So it's possible?
[15:35] <yossarianuk> i.e - yes
[15:35] <yossarianuk> i would install the os (i.e continue)
[15:35] <yossarianuk> then add a swap file after
[15:35] <noah123> I did
[15:35] <noah123> :)
[15:35] <noah123> And btw will it be possible to use sleep mode with a swap FILE?
[15:36] <yossarianuk> oh - sorry this is an area I am unsure f.
[15:36] <yossarianuk> *of*
[15:37] <noah123> are you using a swap file instead, yossarianuk ?
[15:37] <yossarianuk> (I never use suspend ... I mainly use desktops (not a fan of mobile devices)
[15:37] <yossarianuk> noah123: on my desktop I have a swap partition
[15:38] <yossarianuk> but it wouldn't matter if I didn;t have one I could just add a swap file after install
[15:38] <noah123> Ok
[15:39] <yossarianuk> noah123: see this link - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1042946
[15:39] <noah123> Which would you recommend for me? (laptop - without swap sleep mode won't work)
[15:39] <yossarianuk> not sure how relevant it is now
[15:40] <noah123> ?
[15:40] <yossarianuk> if you are having issues I would re-install
[15:40] <noah123> no issues
[15:40] <noah123> But I need swap...
[15:40] <noah123> I think?
[15:40] <yossarianuk> well - either reinstall and add a swap partition
[15:40] <yossarianuk> or see - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1042946
[15:40] <yossarianuk> (HOWTO: Use swapfile instead of swap partition and have working hibernation)
[15:41] <noah123> I have just installed without a swap partition, yossarianuk
[15:42] <noah123> Which would you recommend for me? (laptop - without swap sleep mode won't work)
[15:42] <noah123> as said
[15:42] <noah123> file or partition?
[15:42] <yossarianuk> noah123: did you read the linjk
[15:42] <yossarianuk> try reading it
[15:43] <yossarianuk> or go in via live cd and shrink your filesystem and add swap
[15:43] <noah123> One quick question: Would YOU recommend a file instead?
[15:44] <noah123> ;D
[15:44] <noah123> trust you...
[15:45] <yossarianuk> well thank you - perhaps you've read catch 22?
[15:46] <yossarianuk> personally 'I' would use a swap file - but I run desktops (only)
[15:47] <noah123> catch 22?
[15:47] <BluesKaj> noah123, for a laptop a swap partition is best
[15:47] <yossarianuk> Yossarian is the main character....
[15:47] <noah123> oh k
[15:47] <yossarianuk> noah123: are you in the OS now ?
[15:48] <noah123> yep
[15:48] <yossarianuk> how many partitions do you have on the disk ?
[15:50] <yossarianuk> i.e as long as you have an extended/logical partition (or have less than 4, or are using GPT) then I suggest going to a live cd - shrinking your main filesystem and adding a swap partiton
[15:51] <yossarianuk> it would perhaps be quicker to just re-install mind you
[16:04] <noah123> Can I add a swap partition after installation? Forgot to add one
[16:16] <yossarianuk> noah123: yes
[16:17] <yossarianuk> if you have space you can add one
[16:17] <yossarianuk> or you will have to shrink your existing filesystem
[16:17] <yossarianuk> its easier to re-install though it you have just installed
[16:17] <yossarianuk> you may also have to alter various files in order to get suspend to work unless you re-install
[16:18] <yossarianuk> (my last piece of advice on this subject......)
[17:01] <noah123> Was AFK
[17:02] <noah123> Is it possible to create a swap partition after installation?
[17:23] <BluesKaj> noah123, yes use gparted live-media
[17:24] <noah123> live-media?
[17:24] <noah123> Well, I don't need it anymore
[17:24] <noah123> Can you help me in PM BluesKaj? Through the installation
[17:26] <noah123> and I trust you :D
[17:26] <noah123> and soee
[17:29] <soee> PM ?
[17:32] <noah123> Yes, /query
[17:32] <noah123> Private Message
[17:32] <SporkWitch> BluesKaj: so remember my headset vs main sound issue the other day?  apparently the fix makes  it so the headset doesn't show up at all now lol
[17:32] <soee> just ask here if you have questions, this channel is logged so thers might google such conversations and get help to
[17:32]  * SporkWitch could have achieved that just by unplugging it
[17:33] <noah123> I'm trying but everyone is saying different things, soee
[17:33] <noah123> before when I asked
[17:35] <noah123> ;(
[17:49] <BluesKaj> noah123, everyone has told you it's possible to create a linux swap  partition after the install ..I saw nothing to the contrary
[17:50] <noah123> That's not what I mean, anyway nevermind
[17:52] <SporkWitch> noah123: then clarify.  looking at the logs, the question was asked and answered.  do you need help figuring out how to make a swap partition, add it to fstab, etc.?
[18:37] <aftereyo> where can I find the source of http://i.imgur.com/9k16xT7.png
[18:39] <Riddell> aftereyo: https://github.com/NitruxSA/plasma-next-icons
[18:39] <noah123> I have 3 partitions (Windows), and I created a logical partition of the unallocated 80 GB, and now I have 13 GB left but it's "unuseable". Why?
[18:50] <aftereyo> Riddel, any idea which one it would be?
[18:50] <aftereyo> https://github.com/NitruxSA/plasma-next-icons/tree/master/Breeze/mimetypes/file-types
[18:53] <aftereyo> who named these things
[19:26] <SporkWitch> when copying with dolphin within the same filesystem, is it doing an actual copy rather than a hardlink?
[19:30] <genii> SporkWitch: Not sure but you could check by: test file1 -ef file2     and see if they have the same inode numbers
[19:31] <genii> Different inode then not hardlinked
[19:59] <xarius> hello
[19:59] <xarius> Newbie at linux
[19:59] <xarius> looking for help
[19:59] <xarius> problem with Kmix
[19:59] <xarius> not opening
[20:04] <tuv0k> xarius: version of kubuntu. How are you trying to "open" kmix?
[20:05] <xarius>  lts
[20:05] <xarius> 14.04
[20:05] <xarius> it does not open at all
[20:05] <soee_> xarius: type in konsole: kmix
[20:06] <vinnie__>  I am using an Nvidia GeForce GT 120 graphics card connected to my TV via HDMI out. This card has a spdif cable that connects to the motherboard spdif out pins. Can someone please help me to get audio via HDMI?
[20:06] <xarius> no response
[20:06] <soee_> vinnie__: no audio at all ?
[20:06] <soee_> xarius: no errors ?
[20:07] <vinnie__> soee_: only from the onboard audio
[20:07] <xarius>  session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave.
[20:07] <soee_> vinnie__: sorry than i never connected cards through spdif
[20:08] <xarius> i have only very low audio
[20:08] <vinnie__> soee_: The card is pci
[20:08] <xarius> and cannot open Kwin to select sound
[20:08] <xarius> i have a asus G75vw
[20:09] <xarius> computer
[20:11] <soee_> vinnie__: what i do to have audio through hdmi, is to go to System Settings -> Multimedia -> Audio Hardware Setup (tab) and pick there hdmi output
[20:13] <xarius> pulse audio does not open same thing.
[20:13] <vinnie__> soee_: HDMI or spdif is not listed in the drop down
[20:13] <xarius> as Kmix
[20:14] <soee_> vinnie__: that strange, what Kubuntu version are you running ?
[20:15] <vinnie__> Im actualy running Linux Mint 17.1 KDE
[20:15] <vinnie__> soee_: ^^
[20:16] <vinnie__> soee_: Ive tried for 2 days now to get help from mint chanel with no luck
[20:16] <soee_> vinnie__: ah than i dont know i can set it easily here http://wstaw.org/m/2015/03/25/workspace17.png
[20:18] <maelcum> hello. i could use some help with two problems after upgrading to 15.04. first, it doesn't really seem to boot with upstart anymore, so i had to switch to systemd. that gives me a mostly working x session.
[20:18] <vinnie__> was hoping someone could help me get it to show up by maybe modprobing or something. lol. I know with Linux there is always a way \.
[20:19] <maelcum> now the problem is that both /dev/dri/* and /dev/snd/* are not accessible by my user, so 3d acceleration doesn't work and alsa doesn't work. i'm not using pulseaudio.
[20:20] <maelcum> even alsamixer says it can't open the device, as root it can.
[20:20] <soee_> maelcum: Vivid since a week or so switched to systemd
[20:20] <maelcum> right, so i'm using the canonical (pun intended) init system.
[20:21] <maelcum> i've added my user to the audio group and it's already in the video group, and i've even cleared other acls on /dev/dri*, no dice.
[20:21] <maelcum> is this some cgroups thing maybe?
[20:22] <maelcum> i'm running a self compiled x server, so maybe if permissions are tied to the x server executable or something...
[20:24] <aftereyo_> Riddell: solved it
[20:49] <azaki> stupid question, but if i install the daily test builds of kubuntu 15.04, will it become the stable release once it's officially released next month? or will i have to reinstall?
[20:49] <azaki> or is it just going to become the 'next' testing build for a future release?
[20:50] <claydoh> azaki: it  will become official
[20:51] <azaki> claydoh, thanks. i wont have to change the package sources or tweak anything right? it'll just happen automatically?
[20:52] <aftereyo_> you can just update your way to stable
[20:52] <aftereyo_> that's what I am gonna do
[20:52] <aftereyo_> no need to reinstall
[21:09] <azaki> aftereyo_, alright, thank you. =)
[21:13] <SporkWitch> genii: yeah, looks like it's doing actual copies.  never contributed to a project before, what would be the best way to figure out where the code that handles copy operations is?  I'm gonna look into trying to identify the destination's filesystem, and if same, silently do a hard link instead of a copy (no user-noticeable difference other than the potential to decrease disk usage, and why NOT take
[21:13] <SporkWitch> advantage of one of the great features of UNIX/Linux filesystems?)
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[21:39] <genii> That was odd.


 @Nathan Willson [Nexus 5 OTA-9. I don't know on the side of logs.], My note 8 was having an issue where calls and texts didnt work but data still did, I ended up getting a new SIM Card
[01:11] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @FinlayDaG33k [it's the main reason why I swapped back to Android anyways... a lot of the apps …], meh, use the browser
[01:30] <ubptgbot> virginia bray was added by: virginia bray
 @FinlayDaG33k [Which turns it all into a chicken or egg scenario :\], exactly, but imo the users can be the driving force to resolve it :3
 is this what i think it is: https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/ofono/commit/fa8002200c5a5e3fab5f0d6214eb2fe87cdd5649
 looks like an addition to ofono to block calls to me
 and they have "sms-filter" in the same repo
 from the title i'd rcecon the same
 @FinlayDaG33k [True, but that's still only Facebook :\ … And oddly enough, people that I know are …], guess how kaios convinced whatsapp to support them :3
 that would be amazing if it was just a simple ofono pluigin addition - then just write the ui
 indeed
 [Edit] from the title i'd recon the same
 that seems to be a sailfish fork hmmm
 yeah, I don't see anything sailfish specific in it so far
 interesting
 ah, maybe a little bit
 oh, then I was having fun with this lately: https://forums.ubports.com/topic/325/touch-dbus-extensions/9
 run the bottom comment in terminal
 ```gdbus call --session --dest org.freedesktop.Notifications --object-path /org/freedesktop/Notifications --method org.freedesktop.Notifications.Notify "notify-send" 0 "" "hi mom3" "blah blah blah" "[]" '{}' 5000```
 Wow, I played Ultima on Gearboy Color, it's really a good emulator!!
 Of course, it was a monochrome game, I want to try al colour one
 harvest moon is a fun one xD
 I havent played a gameboy game since the original pokemon
[05:52] <ubptgbot> zerojuan was added by: zerojuan
 @Fuseteam [harvest moon is a fun one xD], Oh wow, harvest moon... I remember I bought it for my game boy color
 @mateosalta what do I need to do to get the play app working? It tells me the flash player is missing...
[09:27] <ubptgbot> ogslimtony was added by: ogslimtony
 @deedend [Oh wow, harvest moon... I remember I bought it for my game boy color], that's the one :3
 Hello, I noticed a problem with the Meizu pro 5, my charger once plug is not detect but when the phone is out I see he takes the charge, would you why
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/OOnW0mdX.png
 not connected
 idem connected
 is there a way to calibrate the battery
 I just changed it 1 month ago
 was there a way to enable Unity8 desktop shell mode without being able to launch Tweaks app?
 Hello, I also would need a video note feom someone for testing (from official client)
 Is there a way to deactivate the swipe gesture for the single chat in Teleport? It conflict with the system wide swipe from the edge
 It's super annoying
 @NotKit [was there a way to enable Unity8 desktop shell mode without being able to launch …], gsettings set com.canonical.Unity8 usage-mode Windowed
 (Photo, 1080x507) https://irc.ubports.com/ezyFzrYQ.png
 (Photo, 1080x513) https://irc.ubports.com/3X2S15Y5.png
 I refer to these gestures
 @Flohack [Hello, I also would need a video note feom someone for testing (from official cl …], Now ?
 @deedend [I refer to these gestures], I  know, and no, there is no way to disable it. Just practice harder ^^
 @malditobastardo [<reply to unk>], Thx
[12:11] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> Is it possible to fix multiple message deletion in UT ? I just found out it doesn't work. You gotta delete msg one by one.
 @mark alexa [Is it possible to fix multiple message deletion in UT ? I just found out it does …], ```---------[UNHANDLED]------------- … "updateDeleteMessages" … --------------------------------- … ---------[UNHANDLED]------------- … "updateDeleteMessages" … --------------------------------- … ---------[UNHANDLED]------------- … "updateDe
[12:13] <ubptgbot> leteMessages" … --------------------------------- … ---------[UNHANDLED]------------- … "updateDeleteMessages" … --------------------------------- … ---------[UNHANDLED]------------- … "updateDeleteMessages" … --------------------------------- … ```- its not implemented now, please file a bug ^^
 Just saw it what you did and like wtf 😆
 I was in the debug log
 @mark alexa [Is it possible to fix multiple message deletion in UT ? I just found out it does …], Ah do you mean you want to select multiple messages?
 Thats another thingie we are missing
 @Flohack [I  know, and no, there is no way to disable it. Just practice harder ^^], I opened an issue on gitlab, maybe the developers add this option
 @deedend [I opened an issue on gitlab, maybe the developers add this option], I am the main developer ^^ But please describe what you mean. If it is multi message selection for delete or forward?
 Both!
 :)
 (Photo, 1080x661) https://irc.ubports.com/HouskyrK.png
 Mm mm there's something wrong with these messages
 @deedend [Mm mm there's something wrong with these messages], Its video note, will come in next release
 thats why we are testing it now ^^
 @Flohack [I am the main developer ^^ But please describe what you mean. If it is multi mes …], I described inthe issue. I mean those bloody side swipe in the app conflicts with the side swipe of Ubports, if I want to close/change the active app I activate that menu istead
 Good job anyway, a part from this issue it's a great app!!
 @deedend [I described inthe issue. I mean those bloody side swipe in the app conflicts wit …], do you have a case on your phone? it's definitely harder to get edge swipes with a case on. you're getting the in-app swipes instead because you aren't starting the swipe from the edge. no amount of changes in apps is going to solve that
 @dohbee [do you have a case on your phone? it's definitely harder to get edge swipes with …], No, no case. I noticed with the case it's really hard to use the edge swipe of ubports
 I can get the right swipe in 80% of cases :)
 @hummlbach [@mateosalta what do I need to do to get the play app working? It tells me the fl …], oh, yeah. I think mp4 playback was broken last update. also that app was with oxide - so I just need to remake it
 @mateosalta [oh, yeah. I think mp4 playback was broken last update. also that app was with ox …], i can't play mp4 fileson fp2, on opo it works
 yep
 I'll update it to qtwebengine, then you can install flash as needed
 but in the mediaplayer and in teleports it's also not working on fp2
 This is an issue within the Teleport app. I guess also changing the sensitive area more to the middle (let's say 50% of the total width of the screen) could help a lot
 because they use the same priportary codec I thin
 and I think it may have been removed? because I think canonical had to licence it
 http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Canonical-clarifies-its-H-264-licence-993182.html
 Alo pls help i install anbox but can update package from repository ? Cant locate package anbox-ubuntu-touch
 @Sconio [Hello, I noticed a problem with the Meizu pro 5, my charger once plug is not det …], You have used not original battery, that's probably. You can try to install Android to "calibrate" battery. Try Resurection Remix  Android Rom. Calibration is not currently possible on UT. Backup your files before installing Android.
 @Stefano0101 [You have used not original battery, that's probably. You can try to install Andr …], No, calibration is done via charge/discharge cycles. Please don't suggest flashing Android ROMs as solutions to problems
 I mean, it's good when the need is to test a piece of software
 Or hardware
 Same symptom in both, probably hardware
[13:15] <ubptgbot> Sultan Roulet was added by: Sultan Roulet
 hello guys
 is offtopoc allowed herE?
 [Edit] is offtopoc allowed here?
 Hi N0153, there is a special group for off-topic posts: https://t.me/UBportsOF
 @dohbee [No, calibration is done via charge/discharge cycles. Please don't suggest flashi …], There was discussion on Ubports forum regarding battery life on Nexus 5 and if I remember correctly, it was mentioned that UT has no tools to calibrate battery. Flashing Android is not a permanent solution, just a temporary one to see if batt
[13:25] <ubptgbot> ery can be charged or if the battery is faulty/ non- compatible. This is only a helping tip for someone with such an issue. Have you got a better solution???
[13:26] <ubptgbot> <R K> Hello ,  … Can I install Ubuntu touch on Asus max 2
 @Stefano0101 [There was discussion on Ubports forum regarding battery life on Nexus 5 and if I …], Meizu pro 5 is not nexus 5, and having to lose all your data to test a theory is not a good solution by any means.
 @R K [Hello ,  … Can I install Ubuntu touch on Asus max 2], No
 @dohbee [Meizu pro 5 is not nexus 5, and having to lose all your data to test a theory is …], Not true. By installing TWRP recovery, making full backup of UT, copying to PC, inststalling Android, test the battery/ charging, then restore the UT backup back and flashing UT recovery afterwards. No loss of data. Anyway, for that unlucky o
[13:43] <ubptgbot> ne user of Pro 5 with battery issue might be worthy to do it as well as check if by replacing the battery and taking the phone appart he did not damage a connector or a usb port...
 @Stefano0101 [There was discussion on Ubports forum regarding battery life on Nexus 5 and if I …], https://www.androidpit.com/how-to-calibrate-the-battery-on-your-android Sconio should do this. There's no need for android nor rooted apps
 @dohbee [Meizu pro 5 is not nexus 5, and having to lose all your data to test a theory is …], [Edit] Not true. By installing TWRP recovery, making full backup of UT, copying to PC, inststalling Android, test the battery/ charging, then copying Backup back to phone restoring the UT backup back and flashing UT recovery afterwards. No lo
[13:43] <ubptgbot> ss of data. Anyway, for that unlucky one user of Pro 5 with battery issue might be worthy to do it as well as check if by replacing the battery and taking the phone appart he did not damage a connector or a usb port...
 All the rooted app does anyway is delete batterystats.bin file i think, in combination with the full discharging method, so it's not even applicable in the context of UT
 @Stefano0101 [Not true. By installing TWRP recovery, making full backup of UT, copying to PC, …], There is no TWRP for pro5, and no lineageos, and probably no build of the other rom you mentioned either. Meizu/BQ devices are not like the nexus, opo, etc...
 Hey guys, is there any page where I can find if my device is compatible with UT
 https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
 Thanks
 @dohbee [There is no TWRP for pro5, and no lineageos, and probably no build of the other …], there is twrp on the pro5
 http://xep.8800.org/pro5/
 and a twrm multirom it seems
 [Edit] and a twrp multirom it seems
 @dohbee [There is no TWRP for pro5, and no lineageos, and probably no build of the other …], There are 2 versions of TWRP for Pro 5. There is CrDroid and Resurection Remix 7.1 , but that's no point, the point is here is to help other UT user.
 TWRP Pro 5  http://xep.8800.org/pro5/nougat/
 @mateosalta [there is twrp on the pro5], You beat me there :-)
 the one has full image backup, even some key partitions
 i did have trouble connecting with adb on one of them though, dont remember which
 @mateosalta [i did have trouble connecting with adb on one of them though, dont remember whic …], 3.0.2
 @mateosalta [and a twrp multirom it seems], ok. there is no official TWRP.
 @Stefano0101 [There are 2 versions of TWRP for Pro 5. There is CrDroid and Resurection Remix 7 …], the best way to help is to suggest the simplest solutions first, not the most complex
 the simplest solution to discharge fully before charging
 [Edit] the simplest solution is to discharge fully before charging
 @Fuseteam [the simplest solution is to discharge fully before charging], yes, as in the link i posted
 indeed :3
[15:08] <Fuseteam> ohw cool
[15:09] <Fuseteam> just redicovered how to join an irc chat via fc; don't mind me
[15:10] <Fuseteam> *rediscovered
[15:10] <ubptgbot> ahgdq was added by: ahgdq
 Hello everyone. I'm trying to set up a libertine container on a xenial rootfs, but the process fails with `pa_context_connect() failed: Connection refused`.
 Here's the full output from the terminal: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/w~BXWPDufX4gnvshLFWzag
 @ahgdq [Hello everyone. I'm trying to set up a libertine container on a xenial rootfs, b …], you need to use the `chroot` type of container instead of lxc. i'm not sure why it's trying to create lxc by default there
 I think the lxc one failed only because the container didn't have a root password set and/or doesn't have a normal user set up.
 But since it deletes the container immediately I don't even get the chance to fix it. 😂
[15:18] <Fuseteam> libertine does not use lxc iirc
 lxc one was never fully completed/tested
 @Fuseteam [libertine does not use lxc iirc], it can, but it shouldn't be
 So chroot should be the default?
[15:19] <Fuseteam> ohw it can......it shouldn't because its was never fully tested?
 @ahgdq [So chroot should be the default?], yes. i'm not sure why it selected lxc for you
 Alright then, I'll try chroot and see how well it works.
 Thanks for the help, I'll report back in a bit. 👍
[15:50] <ubptgbot> <R K> Can you please the iso link of Ubuntu touch
 @R K [Can you please the iso link of Ubuntu touch], There's not ISO
[16:03] <ubptgbot> Jose Byrne was added by: Jose Byrne
[16:30] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @dohbee [https://www.androidpit.com/how-to-calibrate-the-battery-on-your-android Sconio s …], Corrected link: … https://www.androidpit.com/how-to-calibrate-the-battery-on-your-android-device
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/9F178ip7.webp
 @John (Marlin) [Corrected link: … https://www.androidpit.com/how-to-calibrate-the-battery-on-your …], that's the same link
[16:41] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @dohbee [that's the same link], No. Your first link deletes "-device" and leads to a 404 not found error.
 @Stefano0101 [There was discussion on Ubports forum regarding battery life on Nexus 5 and if I …], [Edit] https://www.androidpit.com/how-to-calibrate-the-battery-on-your-android-device Sconio should do this. There's no need for android nor rooted apps
 @John (Marlin) [No. Your first link deletes "-device" and leads to a 404 not found error.], you could have just said that instead. i fixed it. chrome or telegram on my phone must have screwed it up when i pasted it
[16:44] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @dohbee [you could have just said that instead. i fixed it. chrome or telegram on my phon …], Things like that happen
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/q05VKyox.png
 :/
 Looks like a permissions issue
 Yeah, scrolling back up I can see more "permission denied" errors.
 Its either apparmor or selinux, Id start there
 probably neither
 @Stefano0101 [You have used not original battery, that's probably. You can try to install Andr …], Yes !! Successfull calibration un crDroid
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/b0AK67nP.png
 Perfect, i re flash ut
 Thank you for all
 👍
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 @Sconio [Yes !! Successfull calibration un crDroid], 👍 Not sure if calibration, but charging certainly. Don't forget to flash UT recovery aftewards in order to receive and install future OTA...
[20:03] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> Are there any other phones that UT works well on apart from the promoted 3 or the 3 phones are the only ones UT works reliably ? Any newer phones perhaps ?
 @mark alexa [Are there any other phones that UT works well on apart from the promoted 3 or th …], No, but the op3 port is coming along well.
 @mark alexa [Are there any other phones that UT works well on apart from the promoted 3 or th …], UT works excellently on the Meizu Pro 5 - which features USB-C fast charging, the best camera of any supported device, fingerprint unlock (if you run a simple script), Micro-SD card support of up to 128gB (just format it to FAT32 first), f
[20:41] <ubptgbot> ront facing physical button support, and it's gps worls well with uNav in my experience (way better than what I would get with my OnePlus One).  It's one downside is that it is limited to HSPA (enhanced 3G) in the USA - but so far in my experience this is not really any slower than what I would get via 4G on my OnePlus One.
 @TotalSonic [UT works excellently on the Meizu Pro 5 - which features USB-C fast charging, th …], 👍👍
[20:53] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> @TotalSonic [UT works excellently on the Meizu Pro 5 - which features USB-C fast charging, th …], I'm gonna check it out ! Cheers !
 there is one on ebay right now for reasonable cash with UT pre-installed  - I do not know the seller though -  https://www.ebay.com/itm/Meizu-pro-5-Ubuntu-Edition-64G-4G-good-condition/143351692318
[21:08] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> @TotalSonic [there is one on ebay right now for reasonable cash with UT pre-installed  - I do …], I wanna go for new one.  I've done it on my Nexus 5.
[21:10] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> I managed to find brand new Nexus on eBay.
 @mark alexa [I wanna go for new one.   You might find a few that are NOS ("new old stock") - I believe the seller from China that has a few for $215 US + shipping is offering that.  The instructions on how to install UT onto Meizu Pro 5 that have Android on them is a
[21:12] <ubptgbot> t - https://forums.ubports.com/topic/2755/meizu-pro-5-flyme-os-to-ubuntu-touch-modem-update-fingerprint-function
[21:13] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> @TotalSonic [they are a discontinued model.  You might find a few that are NOS ("new old stoc …], Thank you so much mate. Really appreciate all the info !
[21:13] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> May Ubuntu be with you.....  (lol)
 A couple of people on this forum have received Pro 5's in good condition from this seller - https://www.ebay.com/itm/90-new-Meizu-PRO-5-64GB-support-Ubuntu-4GB-RAM-Unlocked-DualSIM-NFC-FastCharge/273911840744
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/ffqzqELT.webp
 I've used the OP3 port, it's relatively unimpressive.
[21:17] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> If UT wants to make it into mobile market at some point, decision makers will need to start support newer phones and flagships. I understand that's easier said than done. I work for a software startup so I know that requires tremendous amount of resources and manpower which UBports may not have atm.
 buy a pinephone then?
 @mark alexa [If UT wants to make it into mobile market at some point, decision makers will ne …], Mark - in the works with a great deal of focus from the UBports team is support for the upcoming Pine64 PinePhone (should ship by the end of this year), and beyond, around first quarter 2020, the  Purism Liberm 5, and the PineTab 10" table
[21:42] <ubptgbot> t.   The specs of these might not impress you for your particular needs or desires, but they represent significant steps towards actually completely open source, mainline Linux kernel mobile devices.   Beyond that - there is also major efforts being made to get over the significant barriers that newer chipsets with closed proprietary drivers create
[21:42] <ubptgbot>  for porting on more recent Android phones - but again progress IS being made on that front as well.
 @mark alexa [If UT wants to make it into mobile market at some point, decision makers will ne …], [Edit] Mark - in the works with a great deal of focus from the UBports team is support for the upcoming Pine64 PinePhone (should ship by the end of this year), and beyond, around first quarter 2020, the  Purism Liberm 5, and the PineTab 10
[21:43] <ubptgbot> " tablet.   The specs of these might not impress you for your particular needs or desires, but they represent significant steps towards actually completely open source, mainline Linux kernel mobile devices - and if they are successful could lead to second generation iterations with better specs.   Beyond that - there is also major efforts being mad
[21:43] <ubptgbot> e to get over the significant barriers that newer chipsets with closed proprietary drivers create for porting on more recent Android phones - but again progress IS being made on that front as well.
 @TotalSonic [Mark - in the works with a great deal of focus from the UBports team is support …], could treble help?
 @enriconia [could treble help?], yup it could.  Main work is going on via the Halium project.
 @TotalSonic [yup it could.  Main work is going on via the Halium project.], is Halium going to take advantage of Treble, then?
 not exactly
 but i'd reference the halium docs for more info
 @Fuseteam [but i'd reference the halium docs for more info], Ok, thanks!
 anyone rememember who wanted to do call recording?
 i do not but i think it was mentioned in this group
 @TotalSonic [A couple of people on this forum have received Pro 5's in good condition from th …], May have to pick one of these up.
 It should be noted that those devices are not Ubuntu Edition and are technically not supported. You may find some issues that you would not find with the Ubuntu Edition that may not ever be fixed.
 @Braillynn [May have to pick one of these up.], and be prepared to hack it, can be a big task
[23:41] <ubptgbot> Jason Ohlrogge was added by: Jason Ohlrogge
 @mateosalta [and be prepared to hack it, can be a big task], Is it the same process as the OnePlus One? That’s currently what I run UT on.
 no one plus one is way easier


[05:59] <jibel> morning all
[07:11] <didrocks> good morning
[07:15] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:19] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN
[07:21] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[08:09] <seb128> goooood morning desktopers
[08:15] <didrocks> salut seb128
[08:16] <seb128> lut didrocks, en forme ? bon w.e ?
[08:16] <didrocks> seb128: tout le week-end au lit car malade (trachéite), ça commence à aller un peu mieux aujourd'hui
[08:16] <didrocks> et toi ?
[08:17] <seb128> ah zut :-( repose toi /soigne toi bien
[08:17] <didrocks> merci !
[08:17] <seb128> nous on a des rhumes mais c'est pas la catastrophe, on a quand même été actifs / profité du soleil
[08:17] <didrocks> cool :)
[08:43] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[08:43] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, en forme ? t'as passé un bon w.e?
[08:44] <oSoMoN> très bien, un peu enrhumé aussi mais ça ne nous a pas empêché de profiter du beau temps
[08:46] <seb128> :-)
[09:02] <marcustomlinson> morning all
[09:02] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson, Laney, how are you? had a good w.e?
[09:02] <marcustomlinson> seb128: pretty good thanks :) you?
[09:02] <Laney> ;-)
[09:02] <Laney> moin
[09:02] <seb128> :-)
[09:03] <seb128> marcustomlinson, we all got a bit of a cold but didn't stop us enjoying the sunny w.e
[09:03] <didrocks> hey Laney
[09:03] <didrocks> morning marcustomlinson
[09:03] <seb128> also I had friday off, played some tennis in the morning in the cold/sunny weather, that was very nice
[09:04] <seb128> being outside and moving after a week travelling/eating too much and then a week recovering/being at the desk was great
[09:05] <Wimpress> Morning desktoppers
[09:05] <Wimpress> How is everyone today?
[09:05] <Laney> hey seb128 didrocks marcustomlinson oSoMoN Wimpress
[09:05] <seb128> hey Wimpress, how are you?
[09:05] <Laney> yes very good weekend thanks: went to a sea shanty festival in cornwall :>
[09:05] <Laney> lot of travelling though, took 7 hours each way
[09:05] <marcustomlinson> sounds great seb128 :)
[09:06] <marcustomlinson> hey Laney didrocks Wimpress
[09:06] <seb128> Laney, train? ;)
[09:06] <Laney> nope
[09:06] <oSoMoN> good morning marcustomlinson, Laney, Wimpress
[09:06] <marcustomlinson> hey oSoMoN
[09:06] <Laney> we hired a car
[09:06] <Wimpress> Laney: Where in Cornwall. Love it down there.
[09:06] <Laney> the country is surprisingly long in that direction
[09:06] <Laney> Wimpress: st ives
[09:17] <Wimpress> Lovely.
[10:01] <GunnarHj> Hi Laney, I suppose you will have to help with all the test regressions re the SRUs at bug #1844853. In addition to this being mostly over my head, and I don't have access to rerun tests when needed, I'm currently hospitalized without proper net access (temporarily home ATM).
[10:04] <Laney> GunnarHj: Sure, that's part of the normal procedure.
[10:05] <Laney> Hope you're better soon :(
[10:07] <GunnarHj> Laney: Thanks.
[11:19] <popey> oSoMoN: good day! chromimum snap is missing joystick interface - which is required for stadia (and other cloud gaming)
[11:19] <popey> any reason you wouldn't add that?
[11:20] <oSoMoN> popey, morning! none other than "I don't have a joystick so I haven't missed that ability", I'll happily add it if you can confirm it works
[11:20] <popey> i can
[11:23] <popey> I have a jounalist writing an article about stadia, he can test too
[12:25] <oSoMoN> popey, I'm uploading a chromium snap with the joystick plug, I'll let you know when it's published
[12:28] <oSoMoN> popey, revision 958 is now in the candidate/joystick channel (amd64 only)
[12:28] <popey> <3 thanks. testing
[12:41] <popey> oSoMoN: that works
[12:41] <popey> confirmed by journalist
[12:41] <marcustomlinson> nice one
[12:44] <popey> oSoMoN: they're asking when / if that will make it to stable. So he doesn't have to put janky instructions in his article.
[12:45] <seb128> + autoconnect for some extra bonus point right? ;)
[12:45] <popey> well, that would be nice. I don't think jdstrand would go for it
[12:46] <seb128> :(
[12:46] <popey> i may be wrong, worth asking for sure.
[12:46] <popey> But it's a browser, not a game, largely.
[12:46] <marcustomlinson> instructions will still be a little janky then
[12:46] <popey> well, people can open gnome software and hit a button. Not toooooo janky.
[12:46] <marcustomlinson> but only a little janky :)
[12:47] <popey> ya
[12:48] <seb128> right
[12:48] <seb128> one day we will have runtime prompting for those things hopefull
[12:48] <seb128> y
[13:45] <oSoMoN> popey, for amd64 I can promote it to stable now, do you reckon other architectures need an extra effort on my part or is it fine if they wait until the next chromium update?
[13:45] <popey> i think it only really matters for amd64 right now
[13:46] <oSoMoN> ack, that's what I thought
[13:46] <popey> thanks!
[13:48] <oSoMoN> popey, it's now in stable for amd64
[13:48] <popey> <3
[13:49] <oSoMoN> and I closed the candidate/joystick channel
[13:51] <marcustomlinson> gotta love that snap release agility
[13:51] <popey> ya
[13:51] <popey> https://twitter.com/gamingonlinux/status/1198960436944785408
[13:53] <marcustomlinson> awesome :)
[14:16] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, marcustomlinson : I got pinged directly about https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/opera-stops-working-after-upgrade-due-to-gnome-connection-issue/14155, is this something you can look into?
[14:19] <marcustomlinson> oSoMoN: I'll respond
[14:19] <oSoMoN> thanks
[15:30] <hellsworth> good morning folks
[15:38] <didrocks> hey hellsworth
[15:38] <hellsworth> o/
[15:48] <popey> oSoMoN: sooo, wanna start a thread about joystick autoconnection on the forum? :)
[15:49] <oSoMoN> popey, sure, lemme do that
[15:50] <oSoMoN> good morning hellsworth
[15:50] <hellsworth> good morning oSoMoN ! btw the beer was delicious :)
[15:51] <oSoMoN> glad you liked it!
[15:56] <oSoMoN> popey, https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/auto-connecting-the-joystick-interface-for-the-chromium-snap/14325
[16:00] <popey> <3
[19:39] <seb128> marcustomlinson, looks like libreoffice needs to be updated for the mdds new version which renamed it's binaries/.pc to -1.5, that landed to focal and now libreoffice autopkgtest fail, e.g
[19:39] <seb128><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:40] <seb128> 'checking for MDDS... no'
[19:40] <seb128> marcustomlinson, Debian fixed it in https://packages.qa.debian.org/libr/libreoffice/news/20191120T144913Z.html
[19:44] <robert_ancell> bigon, can you set https://salsa.debian.org/debian-ayatana-team/snapd-glib/merge_requests/1 to editable or rebase?
[19:44] <gitbot> Ayatana Packagers issue (Merge request) 1 in snapd-glib "Please merge changes" [Opened]
[19:44] <robert_ancell> oh, wait. I'm not logged in.
[19:46] <marcustomlinson> seb128: thanks for the info, I’ll hit this first think in the morning
[19:46] <marcustomlinson> *thing
[19:47] <seb128> marcustomlinson, thx
[20:15] <seb128> tjaalton, you noticed that glslang fails to build in Debian/Ubuntu?
[20:20] <tjaalton> yes
[20:21] <tjaalton> built fine on schroot, dunno what's wrong
[20:26] <oSoMoN> good night all
[21:32] <sergiusens> hey robert_ancell, mind if we discuss the common-id topic here?
[21:33] <sergiusens> maybe just summarize in email afterwards
[21:33] <robert_ancell> sergiusens, sorry, I just have to head out. But another time, yes.
[21:35] <sergiusens> no worries, I learned just now from my partner that I had to be a dad for the next 2 hours anyways :-)
[21:35] <sergiusens> as in parenting duty ;-)
[21:40] <tjaalton> seb128: ah.. the patches aren't applied, that's why :P
[21:42] <seb128> tjaalton, that would explain :)


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[00:09] <jeffMASTERflex> is there something up with the repos? i have hash mismatches when i try to update
[00:19] <RyanPrior> When are we getting network support back in Nautilus? :-(
[00:27] <Dr_willis> I noticed that fusesmb dont work either.
[00:27] <Dr_willis> wonder if the issue is related.
[00:33]  * RAOF suddenly realises why his sound doesn't work; he's installed a libasound2-plugins package built for Sid!
[00:34] <telexicon> Anyone having issues with firefox having gigantic fonts?
[00:34] <telexicon> everything looks like size 48 in firefox
[00:34] <telexicon> all the icons in the toolbars and menus are huge too
[00:36] <jeffMASTERflex> telexicon: firefox 3 or 2? i think the upgrade to 3 just hit the repos
[00:36] <telexicon> firefox 3 beta 3
[00:37] <telexicon> i have to reboot
[00:37] <jeffMASTERflex> you could also try backing up your bookmarks and deleting the .mozilla folder. it might help
[00:42] <john_> has anyone used teamspeak before?
[00:50] <john_> hello?
[00:51] <telexicon> back
[00:54] <john_> i have a teamspeak question..well more of a mic problem question
[00:57] <john_> it's not picking up my voice...i have the mic un-muted and i have been playing with sound preferences but it still hasn't pick up my voice
[00:59] <john_> i cant seem to record any audio even out of TS
[01:41] <red_one> is there a repository that has firefox 3b3?
[01:44] <ethana2> the main one
[01:44] <ethana2> I installed it using add/remove at b2
[01:44] <ethana2> and I went to upgrade it
[01:44] <ethana2> and it was already b3
[01:53] <twb> Howdy.  Changing /etc/hostname and rebooting didn't seem actually change the host name; it's still using the default hostname provided by the DHCP/DNS server (which is wrong).  Have I forgotten something?
[02:18] <rsk> hey
[02:18] <rsk> wine seems broken
[02:18] <rsk> ruskie@ruskie-desktop:~$ winecfg
[02:18] <rsk> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[02:18] <rsk> =)
[02:19] <regulate> good
[02:19] <rsk> how's that good
[02:21] <twb> strace it?
[02:21] <ethana2> well, it's simple, and to the point
[02:21] <ethana2> it's not behaving weird or anything, it's just FAIL
[02:22] <rsk> sure
[02:23] <rsk> http://pastebin.ca/903227
[02:33] <sabrebutt> Hey all, does anybody use a webcam under hardy? I'm having a strange issue with a camera that worked great with gutsy