[01:30] <OvenWerks> Huh, Muon actually asks about package questions before it even starts installing, rather than part way through
[01:39] <OvenWerks> Huh, in controls when trying to start Carla if it is not installed there is a crash report. ubuntu-bug ubuntustudio-controls
[01:40] <OvenWerks> it won't let me cause it loaded it from autobuilds... cause I needed to try out installer from there
[01:41] <OvenWerks> Anyway, installer works nice, the progress bar moving nicely through the whole install.
[01:52] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-controls/+bug/1842012https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-controls/+bug/1842012
[01:57] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: and this one is now tested: Bug #1839182 and marked fix committed. It is ready for release
[01:58] <Eickmeyer> Ok, I'll get on that asap.
[01:58] <OvenWerks> Basically it seems the / and * were swapped
[01:58] <Eickmeyer> Ah, yes. Multiply instead of divide and vice versa. Bad math is bad.
[01:59] <OvenWerks> Anyway, reboot to my working partition
[02:03] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: maybe not right now, but next cycle... maybe add a button to the system page (where performance/ondemand is) with a dropdown to select default kernel for next boot
[02:04] <OvenWerks> Only show it/enable it if more than one kernel is available
[02:05] <OvenWerks> because we list them as option one or zero, it should be easy to set default to either 0 or 1.
[02:05] <Eickmeyer> Hmmm.... that doesn't make sense. There's a way to select that from grub and have it automatically go to the last option booted.
[02:05] <Eickmeyer> I'd rather we kept that within the grub configuration itself.
[02:45] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: Bug #1842012 is fix commited now too
[02:46] <Eickmeyer> OK, is that ready for release as well then?
[02:47] <OvenWerks> yes
[02:48] <OvenWerks> It now checks to make sure /usr/bin/carla exists and is +x
[02:51] <Eickmeyer> Cool.
[02:51] <OvenWerks> I should have done that when carla was no longer a depends
[02:56] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, well... at least we have a fix now rather than after release.
[02:57] <OvenWerks> anyway, testing is good
[02:57] <Eickmeyer> Cool.


[07:25] <fany> hello
[07:26] <fany> this is kubuntu20
 Bom dia
[12:28] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:30] <faoziaziz> hi
[12:30] <faoziaziz> an\
[12:31] <faoziazzi_> can
[12:31] <faoziazzi_> anyone know about MYIR zynq xilinx?
[12:41] <faoziazzi_> hi diogenes
[12:41] <faoziazzi_> you love dionysos also?
[13:02] <Fatal_Sushi> faoziazzi_: if you don't have a kubuntu support question then please take it to offtopic
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[16:02] <faoziaziz> good morning
 Possible to install unbuntu 21.04 onto HP 17-cn0142ng
 Product: HP 17-Cn0142ng
 Operating System: FreeDOS
 I would like to install Ubuntu 21.04 onto my HP 17-cn0142ng with OS freedos. Is that possible?
 Or kubuntu?
[19:40] <user|28> Hi
[19:41] <user|28> dmesg shows raid messages although raid is not installed (raid6: sse2x4   gen()  7412 MB/s etc)
[19:42] <TJ-> user|28: yes, that's the kernel figuring out the most efficient instructions of the current CPU and benchmarking them
[19:44] <user|28> TJ- thank you for the reply. Can it be removed/uninstalled?
[19:50] <TJ-> user|28: depends on the kernel build config, they're added due to
[19:50] <TJ-> CONFIG_RAID6_PQ=m
[19:50] <TJ-> CONFIG_RAID6_PQ_BENCHMARK=y
[19:52] <TJ-> Ubuntu kernels have those settingsif the module raid6_pq is loaded those come as part of it
[20:17] <nolane> hello
[20:58] <ibd> hello there
[20:59] <ibd> how do i install mesa dri intel[r] hd graphic drivers on linux
[21:48] <valorie> !info intel
[21:48] <valorie> !drivers
[21:49] <valorie> oh, they left
[21:50] <valorie> c'est la vie


 Won't sleep: thingy-ma-bobs.
[03:49] <solarcloud> Funny thing just happened, my desktop just froze up after hibernating and wouldn't restart. Ahhh Ubuntu you're a fiesty minx tonite.
[04:04] <solarcloud> Just bought probably the cheapest 17 inch laptop I'll ever get these days ..  :-D
[09:44] <popey> Laney: what's up with that?
[09:44] <popey> oh, big gap
[09:44] <Laney> it just crashes
[09:45] <popey> erk
[09:45] <Laney> anyone got nagios that they want to set up to text me when that url stops working? :D
[09:45] <popey> you could repurpose the script I used for seeing if nexus 4 was in stock ☺
[09:46] <popey> https://github.com/bilalakhtar/NexusNotifier
[09:46] <Laney> heh
[09:46] <popey> (which worked perfectly)
[09:50] <BigRedS> common way to get free SMSs with *some* lag is to use the google calendar API
[09:51] <Laney> your appointment to power cycle your pandaboard is now
[09:56] <BigRedS> haha, yeah
[10:17] <BigRedS> Can I get ~250GB of SSD for ~£100?
[10:18] <BigRedS> if so, anyone got any suggests of where I can get one?
[10:18] <popey> is 240GB okay?
[10:18] <popey> thats the round number they do
[10:18] <popey> and no, about 125 is going rate for low end 240GB SSD
[10:19] <popey> http://www.ebuyer.com/396877-ocz-240gb-vertex-plus-r2-ssd-vtxplr2-25sat2-240g
[10:19] <popey> still better than spinning rust
[10:19] <BigRedS> yeah, that'll do. I've got used to all this space on my laptopm but I'm also really bored of dropping it and killing disks
[10:19] <popey> what laptop out of interest?
[10:19] <BigRedS> my Thinkpad X201
[10:19] <popey> i have two SSDs in my x220
[10:20] <popey> you may be able to fit one in yours
[10:20] <BigRedS> Oooh, where's the second one?
[10:20] <popey> in the slot where the 3g modem goes
[10:20] <popey> dunno if thats an option on the 201
[10:20] <BigRedS> hmm, I've got to take it apart to reglue the case together, so I'll see if there's a suitable-looking space :)
[10:21] <BigRedS> what have you plugged it into?
[10:21] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Crucial-CT256M4SSD3-256GB-mSATA-Internal/dp/B0085J17UA
[10:21] <popey> its one of them
[10:21] <popey> mSATA
[10:21] <popey> smaller capacities at lower prices are available
[10:22] <BigRedS> ahhh
[10:23] <BigRedS> apparently x220 was the first to get msata :(
[10:24] <popey> bummer ☹
[10:24] <BigRedS> yeah. 240GB's okay though, just need to explain to work why buying one SSD now makes more sense than repeatedly RMAing my disks...
[10:25] <AlanBell> buying an SSD always makes sense
[10:25]  * popey touches copious amounts of wood before saying...
[10:25] <popey> "I've never had an SSD fail yet"
[10:26] <dwatkins> I wonder what the sweet spot is at the moment for price vs capacity with SSDs versus spinning rust
[10:26] <BigRedS> yeah, but we've huge stoock of spinning rust disks so they like using those
[10:26] <popey> and I have 6 of them
[10:26] <dwatkins> I know someone who says he's never had a disk fail, he's been lucky, and migrates to a new disk within a couple years for all his data.
[10:28] <BigRedS> Ah, I tend to do it the other way around. I finally get round to upgrading to a bigger disk when the current one fails
[10:29] <dwatkins> I'm just about to buy a NAS, probably a DS-413j
[10:29] <dwatkins> I'll populate it with two mirrored 3 TB disks at first, then buy another couple later on to make a 16 TB filesystem.
[10:29] <dwatkins> correction, 9 TB (RAID 5)
[10:30] <dwatkins> 16 TB is the absolute (unprotected) maximum capacity of the device with incredibly expensive 4 TB disks.
[11:03] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:04] <davmor2> bigcalm: can you join #wolveslug for a bit save repeating everything
[11:07] <bigcalm> davmor2: done, bit quiet though
[11:07] <davmor2> always is
[11:07] <bigcalm> davmor2: was there a reason you wanted me to join?
[11:12] <davmor2> now you know sorry wifey got back from the docs and was just filling me in :)
[11:13] <bigcalm> :)
[11:31] <davmor2> bigcalm: popey: so Virginmedia has been bought for 23.3 billion by us based liberty global
[11:31] <bigcalm> davmor2: is this a good or bad thing?
[11:32] <davmor2> seems like mr Branson is selling lots at the minute,  49% of virgin atlantic, virgin media, I think it is all to fund virgin galatic
[11:34] <davmor2> bigcalm: pass by it'll be worth keeping an eye on once it goes through
[11:34] <dwatkins> interesting stuff, davmor2 - http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/feb/06/virgin-media-takeover-john-malone-liberty-global
[11:35] <davmor2> s/by/but
[11:38] <mungbean> branson didn't own virgin media did he? i thought it was a branding exercise by ntl/telewest
[11:40] <davmor2> mungbean: no ntl and telewest started to merge then got bought by the virgin group once it had merged
[11:40] <mungbean> they bought the whole thing?
[11:41] <mungbean> they are in my top 3 companies not to deal with
[11:41] <mungbean> scummers
[11:41] <davmor2> mungbean: Yeap, that's why all the telewest owned channels had to be renamed
[11:41] <mungbean> (terrible customer service, stealing money from me and threatening bailiffs etc, poor service that they never fixed, refusal to support linux, refusal to allow me to record calls)
[11:41] <davmor2> as their licence to broadcast moved over to virgin
[11:43] <daubers> mungbean: I had that same experience with VM
[11:44] <daubers> Got the ever immmortal line of, after asking for them to return a couple of hundred quid they took from my account they weren't due, thatthey couldn't refund it "because we're not a bank"
[11:44] <davmor2> mungbean: you must of been really unlucky, I've had great service once I figured out how to bypass the indian call center
[11:45] <mungbean> i had an old cable london connection and the engineer said i could never have digital on it since the qualty was so poor, and my broadband only worked during school hours, dropped 30% ping in weekend and evenings
[11:46] <mungbean> they refused to do anything about it
[11:46] <dwatkins> davmor2: how did you bypass them?
[11:46] <mungbean> so i had to cancel the service
[11:46] <mungbean> then i sold the house to my sister and she had VM due to existing contract and soon got rid of it
[11:46] <Lunix> Hi all :) I have a little problem with a software that doesn't work anymore since 12.10, anyone to help ? :$
[11:46] <dwatkins> mungbean: I live in a 120 year old building and use my telephone line for 12 MBit internets, I'd be switching providers if anyone told me that
[11:47] <mungbean> they kept saying the box outside was overloaded and they would switch me to a less loaded box, but in reality they oversold the service
[11:48] <mungbean> and was popular in my area which was densely populated
[11:48] <davmor2> dwatkins: ring the disconnect line and say are you the english call center.  Oh great I've been messed around by the indian call center too many times to deal with them now, then tell them your issue
[11:48] <mungbean> so nobody got a decent service
[11:48] <dwatkins> davmor2: cunning, personally I think that having call centres in other countries is a false economy
[11:48] <dwatkins> you end up with annoyed customers which costs more in terms of reputation etc.
[11:50] <davmor2> dwatkins: I agree, plus they get proper training in the uk and just follow the script in india
[11:50] <mungbean> i have a recorded phone call with them when they told me to disable antivirus, i said, "no i've enabled ping on my router, there is no machine attached and i still get 30% packet loss =56k modem speed". they said, "sir please disable your AV.". i got annoyed and said this is nothing to do with antivirus, i don't even run windows anyway, i run linux. then they said , sir we cannot support that, goodbye
[11:51] <Lunix> Am I the only one for who Logkeys doesn't log anymore since Ubuntu 12.10 ?
[11:51] <dwatkins> davmor2: yeah, I suspect some of the issues are cultural, both in terms of the differences between language use and the different ways people approach a problem, having someone in the same country or one close by makes it more likely you will be understood in many ways.
[11:52] <dwatkins> mungbean: yeah, I've heard worse - PC World refusing to replace a laptop with a broken hinge because Linux was installed
[11:53] <davmor2> dwatkins: it also helps if you point out that you are a hardware technician and well as a QA software engineer so you know it is an issue there end as your home network is working fine :)
[11:54] <dwatkins> davmor2: yeah, although they sometimes carry on with their script because the assumption is that anyone could say they know what they are doing and may or may not be right, sadly.
[11:54] <shauno> far too often, it's an accurate assumption
[11:55] <directhex> coo, steam's now showing 50 of my games as linux games
[11:55] <dwatkins> I tend to complain to companies via twitter, e.g. @BTCare - they tend to get someone in the callcentre in Ireland to call me back
[11:55] <dwatkins> directhex: yeah, I've noticed a huge improvement in the last couple days in that :D
[11:55]  * dwatkins was very happy to play half-life on Linux recently
[11:55] <davmor2> dwatkins: see that's another one, I go into pc world and tell them straight what I want an what I am going to do with it, they say you know you can't return it if there is a problem, to which I say yes I can but to be honest the 1 year warranty is with the manufacturer and not you any how so I don't really care
[11:56] <Azelphur> I've been playing uplink for the first time recently
[11:56] <directhex> dwatkins, Counter-Strike: Source was uploaded last night
[11:56] <directhex> also Psychonauts and Closure
[11:56] <dwatkins> davmor2: your mistake there was going in to PC World ;)
[11:56] <dwatkins> directhex: ooh, the source one too, excellent
[11:57] <davmor2> dwatkins: sometimes in the sale it is the best place to go, everyone was selling my new work laptop at £900-1000 pc world sale £850
[11:58] <dwatkins> yeah, I sometimes go to PC World for things which are cheap enough that I can take the hit if it breaks and they refuse to replace it.
[11:58] <dwatkins> I tend to buy certain things form John Lewis as they're much better at warranties.
[11:58] <shauno> I noticed a side effect of getting old and boring, is that I'd rather pay 900 instead of 850 if I trust the vendor isn't going to treat me like a leper
[11:59] <mungbean> can't remember my steam login :(
[11:59] <mungbean> dwatkins: still waiting for my price match reply ...
[12:00] <daubers> oooooh psychonauts
[12:00] <ali1234> directhex: did that bug in psychonauts ever get fixed? i've been holding off playing it cos of that
[12:00] <daubers> wonder if my new pc can run that
[12:01] <directhex> ali1234, haven't checked
[12:05] <ali1234> looks like no
[12:11] <mungbean> anyone tried amazon glacier storage?
[12:11] <mungbean> for backups
[12:15] <mungbean> what does steam client install do? it's taken over 10 mins so far
[12:15] <mungbean> "applying changes"
[12:26] <marsilainen> hi all, I've just upgraded a 10.04 server to 12.04 and I'm having a few issues with postfix - I'm getting mail delivered coming from local services, but mail coming in from remote servers are getting 'deferred'
[12:28] <marsilainen> in the mail.log I get messages like this when an incoming mail arrives: status=deferred (delivery temporarily suspended: connect to <IP_ADDRESS>[<IP_ADDRESS>]:11124: Connection refused)
[12:29] <marsilainen> I think this might be related to an 'lmtp' line in my postfix master.cf - if I disable that line then I get a different message but I'm not sure
[12:29] <zleap> normally when you upgrade stuff it asks if you want to keep previous configurtion
[12:29] <marsilainen> any ideas how to debug this?
[12:29] <zleap> configuration
[12:30] <zleap> maybe just try it,k and see what happens
[12:30] <zleap> you then rule things out one by one
[12:30] <marsilainen> zleap: yes, I got a bunch of those during the install - generally I kept the old configuration, but I can't remember specifically for this
[12:30] <marsilainen> try what?
[12:30] <zleap> oj you tried disablling a line in the master.cf sorry
[12:31] <directhex> sounds like a master.cf issue to me
[12:32] <marsilainen> if I disable lmtp in master.cf then the message changes to: status=deferred (mail transport unavailable)
[12:32] <marsilainen> not sure where to go from here really
[12:32] <marsilainen> agree it sounds like a master.cf issue of some sort, I'm just not too familiar with postfix config to know what to try next...
[12:33] <marsilainen> here is my master.cf: http://pastebin.com/0fCL0GR2
[12:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hmm, I fancy something different for lunch today. Any good suggestions?
[12:34] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer, lebanese!
[12:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> Nice idea, but I don't think there is one in Farnham.
[12:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> And Beirut (albeit a totally awesome place) is rather far to nip out for a snack.
[12:36] <directhex> FISH AND CHIPS THEN >8\/
[12:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> yawn. having that for dinner :-(
[12:38] <marsilainen> ok, I've fixed it
[12:38] <marsilainen> I'm not sure exactly what I did yet
[12:38] <marsilainen> but it's receiving mail again now
[12:38] <marsilainen> will have to try re-enabling things
[12:48] <directhex> http://www.thedrinksbusiness.com/2013/02/motorhead-releases-bag-in-box-shiraz/
[12:53] <ali1234> hahaha i know what i'm getting my brother next christmas
[12:57] <bigcalm> Any recommendations for an opensource alternative to DropBox that will: 1. hosted by our company, 2. have Windows and Linux clients, 3. integrate with the client OS
[12:58] <czajkowski> ubuntuone :)
[12:58] <directhex> ubuntuone is hosted by canonical
[12:58] <BigRedS> bigcalm: sparkleshare
[12:58] <directhex> so fails 1
[12:58] <bigcalm> czajkowski: and that's using our own storage?
[12:58] <BigRedS> It's git based
[12:58] <czajkowski> could buy storage
[12:59] <BigRedS> which I still think is an odd choice but I can't argue with the fact that it works
[12:59] <directhex> sparkleshare is okay, although not great for binary files, due to git bloating on binary files
[12:59] <BigRedS> yeah, I was just typing a long caveat to that effect :)
[12:59] <bigcalm> :)
[13:00] <BigRedS> I'm using it with a bunch of images (photos, not filesystems) and general documents and it seems fine, though
[13:00] <BigRedS> Also it's less good with huge numbers of files and lots of changes. But the person who told me that hasn't found anything else that he reckons is good, too
[13:00] <bigcalm> BigRedS: how about xls, doc, sqlite3 dbs?
[13:00] <directhex> it's actually much better with that scenario than others
[13:01] <directhex> e.g. owncloud doesn't scale at all with files, whereas sparkleshare does if you run an announce server
[13:01] <bigcalm> PDFs as well
[13:01] <directhex> there are essentially two problems with the whole idea
[13:02] <directhex> 1) detecting changed files locally, quickly
[13:02] <BigRedS> bigcalm: my ~/Documents is sparkleshared and I've not noticed any problems. Bunch of PDFs, od* etc. but only a few tens
[13:02] <directhex> 2) detecting changed files remotely, quickly
[13:02] <directhex> owncloud fails miserably at both
[13:03] <directhex> sparkleshare does well at both
[13:03] <bigcalm> directhex: looks like I'll be recommending sparkleshare as a possibility then
[13:04] <directhex> bigcalm, other than the previously mentioned git-related caveats
[13:04] <directhex> sparkleshare does *not* do any kind of fine-grained access control, as it's just git. and standard git bloats up with binary formats, as it stores a copy of every version of a file ever locally, for binaries, not just changes
[13:05] <directhex> sparkleshare has no solution to the latter (yet). the former, you might get away with if you manage your git server with gitano
[13:05] <BigRedS> yeah, I keep meaning to cron a job to clean out the history from my Documents repo
[13:06] <bigcalm> I knew that would be a problem generally with bins. Showing my ignorance, are pdf xls doc etc treated as binary?
[13:06] <BigRedS> yeah
[13:06] <bigcalm> Ok
[13:07] <bigcalm> Well, locally hosted on a RAID1 of a couple of 1 TB drives might be able to cope with that
[13:07] <directhex> xlsx, docx, odt, etc, are zip
[13:08]  * awilkins thinks diabolical thoughts about bypassing the email attachment stripping system which doesn't like ZIP much
[13:08]  * awilkins notes that it passes MS Office documents JUST FINE
[13:09] <bigcalm> awilkins: rename .zip files to .docx?
[13:10] <awilkins> Yeah, that would probably work
[13:10] <awilkins> It looks through the innards for executable files on ZIP
[13:10] <bigcalm> I assume that that it does more than just look at the extension. Reading the head of the file usually is more relyable
[13:10] <awilkins> And refuses to pass encrypted ones because of that thing the trojan writers did for a while
[13:11] <awilkins> bigcalm, Assuming that a corporate email system and the decisions of those running it makes any sense is interesting
[13:11] <awilkins> bigcalm, For a long while you could get past the filter on .exe by renaming it .sexy
[13:11] <awilkins> Not sure if that still works
[13:12] <awilkins> Our instant messaging client blocks file sends
[13:12] <awilkins> And by the client, I mean the client.
[13:12] <BigRedS> haha#
[13:12] <awilkins> You connect a Linux client to the server and either end can send files with no trouble at all
[13:13] <dwatkins> we have a mail filter that holds messages with certain attachments in a separate mailbox
[13:13] <awilkins> And all linked to the bone-headed design of Windows to base file executable flag on filename
[13:13] <dwatkins> you get a mail telling you to log in and decide if you want a particular mail delivered, whitelist users etc.
[13:13] <dwatkins> I think it's provided by Postini.
[13:13] <awilkins> dwatkins, I wish ours was that sensible, it just removes the attachment and says NOOOOOO
[13:14] <dwatkins> awilkins: yeah, sounds troublesome if no-one's notified at either end
[13:14] <dwatkins> just use DCC ;)
[13:14] <awilkins> Hah, they have a real problem with "non-auditable communication"
[13:14] <dwatkins> in my last job we used IRC internally within support and engineering to great effect
[13:14] <dwatkins> IRC can be logged on the server, can't it?
[13:14] <awilkins> To which I say " am I now banned from making phone calls and having conversations at desks"
[13:15] <dwatkins> phone calls can be recorded
[13:15] <awilkins> Not my private phone
[13:15] <dwatkins> many years ago the CEO of an online commerce company which I worked for made the IT manager have every incoming e-mail copied to one gigantic inbox.
[13:15] <awilkins> But the Cisco IP phones we use, very definitely
[13:15] <awilkins> Would love to use IRC
[13:16] <dwatkins> they couldn't do this for outgoing mail, but it's easily set for incoming mail on MS Exchange
[13:16]  * dwatkins puts the space in carefully
[13:16] <awilkins> The IM server drops connection every so often
[13:16] <awilkins> And unsent messages are not queued awaiting ACKs
[13:16] <awilkins> The client just goes "DERP didn't send message because (obscure error code)"
[13:16] <dwatkins> can you just start using IRC until it becomes the defacto standard? ;)
[13:16] <awilkins> Alas, no
[13:17] <awilkins> Microsoft Office Communication Server (renamed to something cooler now I think)
[13:17] <dwatkins> shame; I had much success with it in my previous existence
[13:17] <dwatkins> oh that, yeah
[13:17] <dwatkins> we use Jabber internally here
[13:17] <awilkins> Not enough techies in this enterprise
[13:17] <awilkins> Yeah, I set up a Jabber server once
[13:17] <awilkins> I think it took me 20 mins and most of that was reading man pages
[13:18] <jussi> jeah, jabber here also
[13:18] <dwatkins> iirc Jabber is the same protocol which gtalk uses
[13:18] <BigRedS> jabber here
[13:18] <BigRedS> yeah
[13:18] <BigRedS> I've realised in the past few weeks that all my IM is Jabber
[13:18] <BigRedS> Facebook chat is Jabber, too
[13:18] <awilkins> Still have an MSN account but rarely chat across it
[13:18] <awilkins> Or read the email box
[13:18] <dwatkins> I set bitlbee up to connect to facebook, gtalk and MSN, then realised I only use IRC ;)
[13:19] <BigRedS> yeah, I've still got it, and I've found that I don't care enough to stop using Gajim so I can use MSN again
[13:19] <awilkins> I use XChat because Empathy doesn't do IRC well
[13:20] <BigRedS> dwatkins: I keep meaning to use bitlbee, but it's harder to get notifications when the chats are turning up in irssi on a remote ssh host :)
[13:21] <dwatkins> BigRedS: if you have a linux box you can probably setup fnotify for that
[13:22] <dwatkins> ...or growl
[13:23] <BigRedS> yeah, it's all linux
[13:24] <BigRedS> I looked into it briefly, but notifications are iffy enough with desktop apps that I'm not sure I'd trust something of my own concoction
[13:25] <dwatkins> I used fnotify, this page describes the kind of thing you can do, but I agree it's fraught with dangers: http://wiki.shellium.org/w/Irssi_gui_notify
[13:26] <dwatkins> sorry, wrong link, this was what I setup, BigRedS - http://thorstenl.blogspot.ie/2007/01/thls-irssi-notification-script.html
[13:26] <BigRedS> oooh, ta
[13:26] <BigRedS> might revisit that :)
[13:26] <dwatkins> if you have ssh access to the machine running irssi (which I guess you will if you're connecting to a screen session) it should work reasonably well, assuming you don't need to watch the bandwidth.
[13:27] <BigRedS> nah, I work in the same DC as the server's in
[13:27] <dwatkins> nice
[13:27] <BigRedS> bandwidth is pretty good :)
[13:27] <dwatkins> just be aware any hilighted text setup in /hilight will create a pop-up
[13:28] <Daviey> dwatkins: that was good in 2007... but 2013?  tailing a log file over ssh?
[13:28]  * BigRedS wonders what has changed in the meantime to stop that working
[13:28] <dwatkins> Daviey: I think I'm still using the same linux version as I was in 2007 ;)
[13:29] <Daviey> BigRedS: Nothing. carry on.
[13:29] <Daviey> Just that you should be able to do this stuff with more grace now.
[13:29] <dwatkins> it should only send a single line of text via ssh if there's a hilight, I get far more activity on many IRC channels
[13:30] <BigRedS> Daviey: that's a nice thought, but rarely true :)
[13:30] <dwatkins> you could probably code some kind of socket-based application to do this, but the functionality is all there in the shell with ssh
[13:32] <Daviey> I experimented with using XMPP
[13:36]  * xnox no longer can use the excuse "i run linux" to escape the gamers *sigh*
[13:37] <awilkins> The downside to Steam on Linux is not I don't have to reboot to Windows to play a game. Another threat to productivity *sigh*
[13:37] <Daviey> Yeah, linux is far too mainstream now.  I'm switching to the Hurd.
[13:37] <awilkins> I think the only thing that runs on Hurd is CoreWar
[13:44] <xnox> Well, kfreebsd is sort of non-mainstream
[13:48] <BigRedS> yeah, but surely that wrecks productivity by requiring fixing?
[13:48] <brobostigon> suggestion, eeepc 900 plugged in, has power, press power button nothing, no power lights, shutdown fine a few hours ago.
[13:54] <kvarley> brobostigon: Can you hard reset it?
[13:54] <brobostigon> kvarley: how?
[13:54] <kvarley> brobostigon: Some laptops have a mode that resets the bios and other stuff on boot. I think some of them just make you hold the power button down for ages, others use key combos
[13:55] <brobostigon> kvarley: i see.
[14:04] <brobostigon> kvarley: i am getting no results for a hard reset, all presume a running systems that gets to the bios.
[14:04] <kvarley> brobostigon: hmhm sounds like hardware failure then
[14:04] <kvarley> brobostigon: Can you take the battery out and boot it just from the charger?
[14:05] <brobostigon> kvarley: that was the next thing on my list.
[14:10] <brobostigon> kvarley: i just pulled the bettery and the charger, hit the bios reset, on the bottom, put the battery and charger back in, no mouse, and it booted. very weird.
[14:11] <kvarley> heh
[14:11] <kvarley> brobostigon: at least it works :)
[14:11]  * kvarley just bought CS:Source ... yey for steam releases :)
[14:11] <brobostigon> kvarley: yes, but why that helped, is strange.
[14:18] <czajkowski> /c/c
[14:23] <kvarley> Just realised something, if Valve's Steambox will be running Linux I wonder how much pressure Valve will put on publishers of big AAA titles to release Linux ports?
[14:25] <AlanBell> wonder what display server it will use
[14:25] <AlanBell> X or Weyland or something else
[14:26] <kvarley> AlanBell: Hehe
[14:26] <kvarley> AlanBell: Do you need X or Wayland to run opengl?
[14:26] <AlanBell> dunno really
[14:27] <kvarley> Well, the answer may be neither then :P
[14:27] <kvarley> Could just boot Steam fullscreen rendering via opengl
[14:31] <amayer_> kvarley: is CSS avaliable on linux?
[14:31] <amayer_> I already own it. i wonder if i can play on linux
[14:31] <kvarley> amayer_: Yes & yes you can
[14:32] <amayer_> Thats awesome!
[14:34] <SuperMatt> huh, don't know why I didn't think of this before: ln -s ~/.config/google-chrome ~/.config/chromium
[14:42] <awilkins> AFAIK a lot of the performance increase in the new nvidia drivers is getting Compiz out of the way of fullscreen OpenGL
[14:43] <awilkins> Whatever display server gets used, I think fullscreen OpenGL will just be "special local magic"
[14:43] <popey> nah
[14:43] <popey> thats separate
[14:43] <popey> we implemented unredirected windows for compiz a little while ago]
[14:44] <awilkins> I liked the look of those little computers they had as Steamboxes
[14:44] <awilkins> Shame they're so expensive
[14:44] <awilkins> But I'm really keen to root a Steambox and make it into an HTPC now :-)
[14:44] <awilkins> Console subsidy 4tw
[16:07] <mungbean> steam seems a bit buggy on my machine,. and thats just logging in
[16:13] <brobostigon> are there any purely terminal clients, to connect to a l2tp/ipsec server ?
[16:15] <mungbean> freeswan/openswan brobostigon
[16:15] <brobostigon> mungbean: ah, thank you, i have heard of openswan, freeswan is new to me,
[16:17] <mungbean> one is a fork of the other
[16:17] <mungbean> never remember which one
[16:17] <mungbean> use the correct one only :)
[16:17] <brobostigon> :)
[16:18] <mungbean> i've redeemed my humble bundles on steam , but certain linux games don't appear (super meat boy etc) - anyone know why?
[16:29] <BigRedS> is there an amd64 deb for steam?
[16:29] <BigRedS> mungbean: I had that with TF2 for a while. One day it just appeared, so I can't really be that useful...
[16:30] <popey> BigRedS: no
[16:30] <popey> its 32-bit only
[16:30] <mungbean> i tried going to all games and choosing the game to install
[16:31] <mungbean> says not available for your system
[16:31] <popey> mungbean: ask directhex he knows and has a post all about it
[16:31] <mungbean> popey: so only 17 of my 42 games work :S
[16:31] <mungbean> i have certianly run them on 64bit
[16:31] <mungbean> i will look for directhex
[16:31] <mungbean> post
 i've redeemed my humble bundles on steam , but certain linux games don't appear (super meat boy etc) - anyone know why? <-- because a build needs to be uploaded to steam by the developer. many haven't.
[16:32] <BigRedS> popey: Oh. How very 1990s
[16:33] <mungbean> thanks chaps
[16:33] <mungbean> doesn't sound like it will happen?
[16:57] <Azelphur> popey: do you know of any tool that allows me to live stream my desktop?
[16:58] <mungbean> to many users ?
[16:59] <Azelphur> yea, via a service like ustream.tv, twitch.tv, whatever
[16:59] <mungbean> vlc does it i think?
[16:59] <Azelphur> (inb4 jtvlc, it doesn't work and has been unmaintained since 2009)
[16:59] <Azelphur> vlc can do the capture, but i need to send it somewhere.
[17:00] <popey> no
[17:00] <Azelphur> what was that tool you always rant about for screen recording? perhaps that does it
[17:01] <popey> it doesnt
[17:01] <popey> kazam
[17:01] <Azelphur> aww
[17:01] <popey> is this for many viewers or one?
[17:01] <popey> or for recording
[17:01] <Azelphur> for a few viewers
[17:01] <popey> google hangout?
[17:01] <AlanBell> VLC could do it
[17:01] <Azelphur> can google hangout grab screen:// ?
[17:01] <popey> yes
[17:02] <Azelphur> oO
[17:02] <Azelphur> I'll try it
[17:02] <popey> well, your desktop
[17:02] <popey> dunno about that specific name
[17:03]  * AlanBell did not know hangouts did screensharing
[17:04] <popey> we use them at work for demoing stuff
[17:04] <popey> also skype
[17:04] <popey> and chrome
[17:04] <AlanBell> so it does
[17:04] <popey> they can all do this
[17:04] <Azelphur> yep, this is cool
[17:07] <ali1234> meeanwhile in open source land we still can't get glitch free audio to work properly
[17:07] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: Oh?
[17:08] <solarcloud> daftykins: I tried to buy a laptop last night, & I've just got back home, and they ell me they don't post to any dependencies because they have to pay customs money .. Does that sound ridiculous to you. ??
[17:08] <solarcloud> **they tell me ....
[17:09] <popey> "they" being?
[17:09] <MartijnVdS> the people who own the black helicopters
[17:09] <solarcloud> hangon .. it's just an ebay dealer , but what would you know popey ?
[17:10] <popey> ok, forget it, I'll go talk to my children.
[17:10] <solarcloud> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/160968205895?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
[17:11] <ali1234> popey: no need to have a huff, he just missed a word out
[17:11] <solarcloud> true.
[17:11]  * solarcloud gives popey the peace sign .. :)
[17:12] <daubers> Azelphur: Best to test if they support File:// from osx too.....
[17:15]  * solarcloud thnks popey is really 'hobes' the tiger without his fur on :D
[17:19] <solarcloud> AlanBell: must therefore be Calvin ....
[17:20] <solarcloud> but I'll stop being Silly now :)
[17:37] <marsilainen> anyone here good at apache rewrite rules?
[17:38] <marsilainen> struggling to do this... should be simple enough... I want any request such as http://myserver/dev/foo/bar to be rewritten to http://myserver/app_dev.php/foo/bar
[17:39] <Myrtti> oh man, your nickname throws me off guard :-D
[17:39]  * Myrtti hides underneath a table
[17:41] <marsilainen> :)
[17:49] <awilkins> marsilainen, Presume you are trying mod_rewrite
[17:51] <marsilainen> awilkins: yeah, been trying for the last half an hour :)
[17:51] <marsilainen> I always find this stuff frustrating for some reason
[17:51] <marsilainen> probably because I don't have to touch it that often
[17:53] <awilkins> Try
[17:55] <awilkins> RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} ^/dev
[17:56] <awilkins> RewriteRule ^/dev/(.*) /app_dev.php/$1
[17:57]  * awilkins goes out to get some dinner for his long suffering wifelet
[17:59] <marsilainen> no, that doesn't work I'm afraid
[17:59] <marsilainen> thanks anyway
[18:17] <solarcloud> What channel do I ask about hooking up printer drivers ?
[18:24] <Nick07> I need to know howto make my ubuntu 10.10 start and login without monitor
[19:06] <solarcloud> Come on guys, there's at least two queries in the last hour !!
[19:08] <popey> solarcloud: #ubuntu is the official support channel
[19:09] <popey> nick07 didn't stay longer than 90 seconds.
[19:09] <Azelphur> the old ask n run
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: ha ha! Made you answer!
[19:10] <Azelphur> :p
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> +""
[19:10] <popey> hah
[19:11] <solarcloud> OK sorry peeps. solarcloud slaps his wrists  .. sorry Hobbes :)
[19:19] <tix> HELLO ENGLAND
[19:19] <tix> GREETINGS FROM AMERICA
[19:19] <tix> i heard you're afraid of gunz
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> tix: I heard you're afraid of healthcare
[19:19] <tix> i have healthcare
[19:19] <tix> as do the vast majority of americans
[19:19] <tix> the US has the best hospitals in the world, as well
[19:19] <tix> we just don't give people healthcare for free
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> !troll
[19:20] <tix> how am i a troll?
[19:20] <MartijnVdS> you come into an Ubuntu-related channel shouting about "'MURRICA"
[19:21] <ali1234> lulz
[19:25] <ali1234> how do i get git-svn installed?
[19:27] <popey> git-svn - fast, scalable, distributed revision control system (svn interoperability)
[19:27] <popey> ?
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: other than the obvious apt-get install git-svn? :)
[20:40] <ali1234> everyone complaining that a portal movie is a stupid idea because portal has no story, when half-life has no story either
[20:42] <ali1234> "freeman, go shoot loads of aliens and then press a button"
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: other way around
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> "Freeman, go press a button and then accidentally unleash an alien/inter-dimensional invasion"
[20:45]  * MartijnVdS just played that bit again :P
[21:44] <Azelphur> Are there any good USB fingerprint readers that work with Ubuntu?
[21:44] <Azelphur> for those of us who are too lazy to type a password ;)
[21:45] <popey> I've only ever used integrated ones
[21:45] <popey> check out the thinkfinger pages, they may say
[21:45] <Azelphur> yea most of the docs are about integrated ones, I'll check out thinkfinger
[21:47] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: mine works with some binary magic
[21:47] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: in my Vaio
[21:47] <Azelphur> xD
[21:48] <MartijnVdS> https://launchpad.net/~fingerprint/+archive/fingerprint-gui
[21:48] <MartijnVdS> it's a "proprietary" plugin to libfprint
[21:48] <Azelphur> I noticed that too, bunch of USB:IDs won't be too useful to me ;)
[21:48] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: why? lsusb will tell you the id
[21:49] <Azelphur> Because going out and buying a reader on the offchance that it's in that list seems like a bad idea? ;)
[21:49] <MartijnVdS> ah, yes.. you don't have the reader yet
[21:51] <Azelphur> don't think the thinkfinger site has a compatibility list
[21:51] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: which one are you considering?
[21:51] <Azelphur> I'm not considering any specific reader
[21:52] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: http://www.amazon.co.uk/TrueMe-Secure-Fingerprint-Reader-Software/dp/B006YG9MU8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1360187516&sr=8-1
[21:52] <MartijnVdS> UPEK = should be in that list
[21:52] <MartijnVdS> (the fingerprint-gui list)
[21:53] <Azelphur> cool
[21:53] <MartijnVdS> but that means it requires the blobby plugin
[21:53] <MartijnVdS> some other readers don't
[21:53] <Azelphur> just to be ridiculously picky, I want a black one P
[21:53] <Azelphur> :P
[21:53] <popey> "Compatible with: Windows XP/Vista/7/CE, Linux, Mac OS, Snow, Lion
[21:53] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/fprint/libfprint/Supported%20devices
[21:54] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: aha, that will be useful
[21:55]  * MartijnVdS Zzz
[22:36] <daftykins> solarcloud: 'customs money' sounds like a bit of a joke yeah
[23:19] <redtape-renegade> daftykins: I'm going through a bit of an identity change atmo. as I've changed fro,m solarcloud (which is abit presumptuous) to redtape-renegade as this basically tells people what as opposed to who I am .. hope you like it.
[23:19] <daftykins> i see, i see
[23:20] <redtape-renegade> I think I'll wordpress it too .. hangon ...
[23:22] <redtape-renegade> yep it's available .. yippee !
[23:24] <redtape-renegade> daftykins: Sorry about that .. had to change the damn batteries for my chillout channel ... How's life in the channel ?
[23:25] <daftykins> i dunno i've been away for a day or two ^_^
[23:25] <daftykins> been doing some things at my new place
[23:25] <redtape-renegade> Really, sounds nice :)
[23:28] <redtape-renegade> I've had a b4tch of a 48 hours as my main desktop went down .. left using the netbook on the spare 19" monitor ..  oh dear me :(
[23:28] <daftykins> >_<
[23:28] <daftykins> what was up with it?
[23:28] <redtape-renegade> Still I've had more insights into setting up a workstation for my python coding workspace ...
[23:29] <redtape-renegade> Oh the main one , dunno .. computer says No after BIOS ?/
[23:30] <redtape-renegade> in fact it doesn't get past the motherboard screen at start  .. Ahhhrgh
[23:30] <redtape-renegade> Oh well back to the 1990's way on computing :)
[23:30] <redtape-renegade> **of
[23:31] <daftykins> 'No' ? :)
[23:31] <redtape-renegade> It says nothing .. just freezes .. at BIOS screen.
[23:32] <redtape-renegade> it is 4 years old though ..
[23:33]  * redtape-renegade shamefully admits to it being 'another' ebay bargain .. :-[
[23:34] <daftykins> O_O
[23:34] <daftykins> interesting
[23:34] <daftykins> a CMOS reset is always worth a go in those situations
[23:34] <daftykins> either locate the motherboard jumper, or just remove the mains cable from the PSU and remove the little CR2032 battery from the motherboard overnight
[23:35] <redtape-renegade> Anyway, I can't saved those that have been killed in action as they say .. so on with the somewhat minor GHz desktop to displayPort Dell monitor .. just need to find an 'adapter' of some sort .. [must resist ebaying this time :) ]
[23:35] <redtape-renegade> oh ok .. will do that tomorrow .. thanx.
[23:36] <redtape-renegade> the adapter will be from old type monitor dispay to display Port .. wait I'll google that one ... hangon ...
[23:38] <daftykins> to go from netbook -> displayport?
[23:38] <daftykins> what does the netbook have, VGA out only?
[23:42] <redtape-renegade> Yeah meant VGA . sorry . So infrequent I use the term , I forgot, sorry .. Anyway .. it's from desktop...
[23:42] <redtape-renegade> http://www.amazon.co.uk/PNY-Mini-DisplayPort-VGA-Adapter/dp/B007WPKFVA/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1360194034&sr=8-4
[23:42] <redtape-renegade> Good 'ol' PNY .. do they ever fail to produce the goods ?
[23:43] <daftykins> that's going the wrong way around
[23:43] <redtape-renegade> oh yeah , your right .. what do i do now then ?
[23:43] <daftykins> well converting VGA to DP is likely gonna be a no go, or expensive
[23:44] <redtape-renegade> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cable-Matters-Plated-Premium-DisplayPort/dp/B005RISB3S/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1360194240&sr=8-4
[23:44] <redtape-renegade> do it ?
[23:44] <daftykins> again, that's going the wrong way :)
[23:45] <redtape-renegade> is it ?
[23:45] <daftykins> yeah read the bulletpoints
[23:46] <daftykins> i think you're out of luck on that one
[23:47] <redtape-renegade> no I think I am ok .. it goes like this ..
[23:50] <daftykins> you're going from analog to digital so there'd be some active conversion in there to do it
[23:58] <redtape-renegade> female VGA to VGA Male to Male DisplayPort Cable in Black - 2m (last link ) .. > Male Display port Cable to 'Female to Female' Diplay port adapter (that I already have [ http://goo.gl/4gG4Z ]) ...> Female display port adapter to male displayPort cable that is 'fixed' into Dell monitor .. And that's part of a series of conundrums I've solved under the 'redtape-renegade the soon-to-be-blog'. So you are unfortunately wrong. But good try :)
[23:59] <redtape-renegade> basically two lead and a Female to Female Coupler . but that's too easy to say it like that !!


[00:15] <z1lt0id> Hi guys I've been noticing I've been getting the following bug in the output of my kernel even though my memory in my computer has no errors.  I get the BUG: Bad page state in process occasionally
[00:15] <z1lt0id> http://codepad.org/su75Lj8n
[00:15] <z1lt0id> i'm wondering what the cause of it is.  Sabnzbd doesn't crash on me, so I'm not sure.
[02:10] <Nicekiwi_> helllpp, how do I start the KDED service?
[02:10] <Nicekiwi_> the Service manager is all greyed out
[02:10] <Nicekiwi_> im tyring to report a bug, but its complaining that this service is stopped
[03:56] <michael__> Hello I would like to ask a question regarding kde4 behavoir on kubuntu 12.04 LTS
[03:59] <michael__> Does anyone know if this is default behavoir with kde4 when to resize a window you need to use one mouse buton to turn to resize pointer and second to actually   resize?
[04:00] <michael__> *button
[04:00] <tsimpson> no, that's not something I've ever seen before
[04:01] <michael__> hum..... for me that is the only way to resize on kubuntu 12.04
[04:01] <michael__> I played around with the windows behavoir in "configure windows behavoir"
[04:22] <Smo> hey guys
[04:24] <Smo> help me out here
[04:24] <Smo> or dont
[04:25] <tsimpson> ask a question, if someone knows the answer they'll reply
[05:59] <bigbrovar> .
[09:26] <ismail> test
[11:21] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:23] <Smo> howdy KluesKaj
[11:23] <Smo> *BluesKaj
[11:23] <Smo> my bad
[11:24] <BluesKaj> hi Smo , oh you mean mistake
[11:25] <Smo> how are you on this fine day?
[11:25] <BluesKaj> just fine thanks , Smo , and you ?
[11:26] <Smo> eh
[11:26] <Smo> i was absolutely amazing an hour ago
[11:26] <Smo> now im coming down
[11:26] <Smo> not so great
[11:27] <BluesKaj> oh , why ?
[11:28] <Smo> hahahahaha
[11:29] <Smo> i snorted some vicodin earlier
[11:29] <Smo> now im coming down
[11:30] <BluesKaj> pain?
[11:31] <Smo> what do you mean?
[11:31] <BluesKaj> nm , I see where this is going ..it's also offtopic
[11:32] <Smo> wait where is this going? and what is the topic haha
[11:32] <BluesKaj> this is the kubuntu support channel , if you have any questions the pls ask , otherwise go to #kubuntu-offtopic
[11:33] <Smo> i wasnt aware there was such a thing
[11:33] <Smo> learn something everyday
[11:34] <Smo> well, ill get on topic for the sake of productivity
[11:35] <Smo> annoying feint popping noise coming from my speakers whenever i am running ubuntu
[11:35] <Smo> on my macbook 2,1
[11:35] <Smo> even when i have headset connected
[11:37] <Smo> there literally are not words to describe how annoying it is
[11:38] <BluesKaj> is the noise at regular intervals ?
[11:38] <Smo> yeah
[11:38] <Smo> its like a barely audible metronome of frustration
[11:40] <BluesKaj> is your laptop plugged into an outlet ?
[11:41] <Smo> yes
[11:41] <Smo> the battery lasts for less than an hour
[11:41] <BluesKaj> try it with just the battery
[11:41] <Smo> so i need to have it plugged in most of the time
[11:42] <BluesKaj> for a min or 2
[11:42] <Smo> alright
[11:42] <Smo> thank you
[14:09] <pietro10> Hi. After updating to Kubuntu 12.10 beta I noticed Firefox stopped using installed fonts in various places (it doesn't use msttcorefonts when Verdana is asked for; it doesn't use ttf-vlgothic half the time Japanese text is shown). How do I fix this? Thanks.
[14:10] <bazhang> pietro10, #ubuntu+1 for 12.10 discussion and support
[14:12] <BluesKaj> pietro https://launchpad.net/~blue-shell/+archive/firefox-kde
[14:13] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[14:14] <BluesKaj> pietro10, https://launchpad.net/~blue-shell/+archive/firefox-kde
[14:14] <em> every time i type into irssi the information widget is saying 'activity in session 'Shell'
[14:15] <em> why is Konsole reporting that im typing into the shell it is really annoying
[14:15] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: is kde 4.9.1 available in 12.10?
[14:15] <em> i have a hundred pop up windows in the notifications thingy now because im typing.
[14:15] <pietro10> thanks
[14:18] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: 4.9.1 ?
[14:18] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, http://www.kde.org/info/4.9.1.php#binary
[14:19] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: still WIP, our scripts made a mess out of the first try so we first had to fix those and rebuild everything. Should be done today
[14:19] <em> 'Activity in Session 'shell'
[14:19] <em> i keep getting this over and over again in the notification thingy
[14:19] <em> how can i make it stop?
[14:19] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: so this time the version number will be ok?
[14:20] <yofel> should be, I was mostly fixing wildcards in install files today as the libs are now 4.9.1
[14:22] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: great, will upgrade as soon as the packages are available. One more thing, what is the status of wayland?
[14:22] <yofel> no idea, I don't use it
[14:22] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: can we expect an alpha in 13.10?
[14:22] <yofel> #ubuntu+1 knows more probably
[14:22] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ok. ty
[14:27] <em> there is now over one hundred notifactions of activity from the 'shell'
[14:28] <em> no one here knows how to fixt that?
[14:28] <em> ive never had konsole sending notifactions like that
[14:28] <em> fine i will reboot. so much for kubuntu stability.
[14:32] <SIR_Taco> em: http://osdir.com/ml/kde-users/2012-06/msg00007.html
[14:33] <em> thanks
[14:33] <SIR_Taco> no need to be grumpy
[14:33] <em> sorry
[14:53] <silver> Ohai.
[15:02] <Silver_Moon> I'm guessing this is a place that I can go and get help with stuff?
[15:03] <BluesKaj> your guess is correct , as long as it's for kubuntu, Silver_Moon
[15:04] <Silver_Moon> Yay.
[15:04] <Silver_Moon> I'm 100% noob at this flavor, in fact just installed this morning.
[15:04] <Silver_Moon> What exactly is the K-Menu?
[15:09] <DarthFrog> Silver_Moon:  The K-Menu is the equivalent, I suppose, of the Windows Start button.
[15:10] <viteac> Hi.
[15:11] <viteac> Made updates, and now dont have flash in Mozilla
[15:11] <viteac> how to install that..?
[15:11] <viteac> I've got 64bit version proccesor
[15:12] <Silver_Moon> Alright, in that case, none of these help websites are making any sense.
[15:12] <Silver_Moon> It says to find "Add/Remove software" on the K-menu but it's just not there.
[15:14] <viteac> ALways troubles with this shitty flash
[15:14] <DarthFrog> !language | viteac
[15:18] <DarthFrog> Silver_Moon:  Press ALT-F2 and type "kdesudo apt-get install muon", select "run in terminal".  Once that completes, you'll have the muon package manager available from K-Menu/System.
[15:18] <DarthFrog> Use that to add/remove programs.
[15:18] <Silver_Moon> Oh, so THAT'S the Terminal Shortcut.
[15:18] <Silver_Moon> I'm still used to Alt-T
[15:19] <SIR_Taco> viteac: install 'flashplugin-installer'
[15:19] <DarthFrog> It's called krunner.  You could also install yakuake and then have a roll-down terminal session using the F12 key.
[15:21] <viteac> Anybody know hat to install flash player..?
[15:21] <Silver_Moon> Apparently I already have Muon.
[15:21] <viteac> lost it after updatek
[15:21] <DarthFrog> viteac:  Use "muon" to install packages.
[15:21] <SIR_Taco> viteac: open konsole, type "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer"
[15:21] <Silver_Moon> Oh well, I got Flash from the Ubuntu Software Center.
[15:21] <SIR_Taco> or muon :P
[15:21] <DarthFrog> Or do what SIR_Taco just suggested.
[15:22] <Silver_Moon> I think I got the Center from the muon software center.
[15:22] <viteac> flashplugin-installer is already the newest version.
[15:22] <viteac> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[15:22] <viteac> DarthFrog: it seems like the is installed already, just doesnt work after updates
[15:23] <SIR_Taco> viteac: try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure flashplugin-installer"
[15:24] <Silver_Moon> thanks for the help!
[16:03] <G__81> hi i am using Kubuntu 12.04 with 4.9. How do i set keyboard shortcuts. For eg: I want to open Konsole, maximize windows etc using keyboard
[16:10] <SIR_Taco> G__81: Kmenu -> Computer -> System Settings -> Shortcuts and Gestures
[16:10] <G__81> SIR_Taco, yeah i clicked on that but where i do set it for Konsole there?
[16:10] <G__81> Custom Shortcuts
[16:12] <G__81> ?
[16:12] <SIR_Taco> Custom Shortcuts: click edit -> new -> Global Shortcut -> command/url
[16:13] <SIR_Taco> the trigger tab is your shortcut key(s) you want to assign, Action would be the command you want to run (ie: konsole)
[16:17] <G__81> SIR_Taco, Thanks a lot. It works
[16:18] <SIR_Taco> you're welcome
[16:59] <brause> Hey guys
[17:00] <brause> what can i do if  network-manager-kde cant connect to hidden wireless networks but  with network-manager-gnome works?
[17:26] <G__81> Does enabling Anti aliasing reduce performance or increase the memory usage ?
[17:29] <Santiclause> I don't think it does either?
[17:31] <Santiclause> I thought anti-aliasing was primarily a graphics processing power usage
[17:31] <Santiclause> maybe it uses graphical memory as well though, shrug
[17:35] <erick> hello
[19:52] <pedahzur> Noticed the other day that there is a SQLite back-end for Akonadi.  I'd kind of like to get rid of the overhead of a MySQL database. I was wondering if anyone has any real-life usages of sqlite to share. How does it perform? Is it buggy?
[19:53] <pedahzur> Found this: http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/PIM/Akonadi/Database#Sqlite  Any other data to share?
[19:55] <HeadlessZombie> having trouble installing. installer crashesh at different places. usually near the end, sometimes at the service packs, this time while scanning the local repository
[20:01] <ikonia> service packs ?
[20:04] <HeadlessZombie> language*
[20:04] <HeadlessZombie> mind is fried


[02:28] <uwe__> is there something wrong with the repo right now?
[02:29] <uwe__> i get remote end hung up when i try to clone it
[02:29] <uwe__>  git clone git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-inrepid.git
[02:29] <NCommander> uwe__, it worked fine for me easierly
[02:29] <uwe__> my url is right?
[02:29] <NCommander> Checking
[02:30] <NCommander> uwe__, you had a typo
[02:30] <NCommander> git clone git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-intrepid.git
[02:30] <NCommander> Try that
[02:32] <uwe__> ...
[02:32] <uwe__> thanks for help
[02:32] <uwe__> i just found out today that there is a git repo
[02:32] <uwe__> makes testing much easier
[02:34] <NCommander> uwe__, lol ;-)
[10:40] <nigel_c_> Gidday all. I'm seeking to prepare ppa kernels with TuxOnIce applied to git. I've tried Hardy and Intrepid.
[10:40] <nigel_c_> In both cases, building after uploading fails.
[10:41] <nigel_c_> With Hardy, it's trouble with the custom flavours. Do I _have_ to build them all? If not, what's the best way to disable one or more?
[10:42] <nigel_c_> With Intrepid, I get "Previous or current ABI file missing". Not sure how to proceed there either.
[11:14] <NCommander> Nicke, hey
[11:15] <NCommander> nigel_c, what kernel are you trying to build?
[11:15] <NCommander> You usually need to move the ABI folder to build it
[11:15] <NCommander> nigel_c, for every time you build a new verson, you need to bump the kernel version
[11:15] <NCommander> hey amitk
[11:20] <nigel_c> NCommander: I'm working from current git, so...
[11:20] <NCommander> nigel_c, Whats the current version in debian/changelog, and whats in debian/debian
[11:20] <nigel_c> Yeah, I think 2.6.27-7.10.
[11:20] <NCommander> er, debian/abi
[11:20] <nigel_c> k. will look
[11:20] <NCommander> What do you have in debian/abi?
[11:21] <nigel_c> ls debian/abi/
[11:21] <nigel_c> 2.6.27-7.10  perm-blacklist
[11:21] <nigel_c> changelog: linux (2.6.27-7.11) intrepid; urgency=low
[11:24] <NCommander> Hrm
[11:24] <NCommander> That SHOULD work
[11:24] <NCommander> run fakeroot debian/rules check, tell me the error
[11:24] <nigel_c> I'm sure I've done something wrong :) Will do.
[11:25] <nigel_c> fakeroot debian/rules check
[11:25] <nigel_c> make: *** No rule to make target `check'.  Stop.
[11:26] <nigel_c> (Trying in intrepid)
[11:34] <NCommander> Are you at the base of the kernel folder?
[11:34] <nigel_c> Yeah,
[11:34] <nigel_c> And git status says the tree is completely clean.
[11:35] <NCommander> Ok ...
[11:35] <NCommander> very strange
[11:35] <NCommander> What is the specific build failure you got?
[11:35] <nigel_c> If I switch back to origin (the tree I'm pulling into), it still says no rule to make check.
[11:36] <nigel_c> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/18682125/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-amd64.linux_2.6.27-7.10%7Etuxonice1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[11:40] <mnemo> is there anyone from the intrepid kernel release team here? if so, please consider cherry picking this patch for intrepid --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/285572
[11:44] <NCommander> Oh
[11:44] <NCommander> the PPA versioning thread is causing issues
[11:45] <NCommander> er
[11:45] <NCommander> not thread
[11:45] <NCommander> the ~versionX
[11:45] <NCommander> Rename the 2.6.27-7.10 ABI file from debian/abi to 2.6.27-7.11
[11:45] <NCommander> And reupload to your PPA
[11:46] <NCommander> THat should get you a successful build run
[11:46] <nigel_c> Okay.
[11:46] <NCommander> nigel_c, aren't ther kernel packages fun ;-)
[11:46] <nigel_c> :)
[11:47] <nigel_c> I've been trying this on and off for a few days, so I won't argue :)
[11:55] <nigel_c> Okay. Starting an upload now.
[11:55] <nigel_c> I'm on ADSL1, so this will take a while :)
[11:59] <nigel_c> Thanks for your help NCommander - I'm going to head off to bed now (Eastern Australia) and check the results in the AM.
[12:00] <NCommander> ok


[09:38] <zyga> o/
[18:42] <Eighth_Doctor> hey folks!
[18:42] <Eighth_Doctor> I tried to build snapd for RHEL 9, but this happened: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2035807
[18:42] <Eighth_Doctor> I filed the bug on valgrind, but I'm not sure that it's Valgrind's fault
[19:03] <ijohnson[m]> Hey Conan Kudo  thanks for the report, everyone at Canonical is still out of office for the holidays until next week but I'll make sure folks look at it
[22:54] <Eighth_Doctor> ijohnson: awesome, thanks
[23:49] <zyga_> thanks Eighth_Doctor and ijohnson[m] :)
[23:50] <Eighth_Doctor> hooh, zyga_ you're still around? :)


[01:28] <micahg> ailo_: re defailt-settings, thanks, will take a look this week
[05:01] <micahg> ailo_: FYI, it's usually best to update the changelog with the change (you can use debcommit to use the changelog entry as the commit message, -e if you don't want the whole thing in there)
[05:38] <ailo_> micahg: Right, thanks.
[11:46] <smartboyhw> Hi ailo-w how are you?
[11:56] <drupin> here
[11:56] <smartboyhw> drupin, wait dinner time:P
[11:56] <smartboyhw> brb
[11:56] <drupin> ok tcc smartboyhw
[12:17] <smartboyhw> drupin, still here?
[12:19] <drupin> yes.. smartboyhw
[12:20] <drupin> u done dinner..
[12:20] <smartboyhw> drupin, OK let's start the testing talk:P
[12:20] <smartboyhw> drupin, yes
[12:20] <drupin> gimeee few mins...
[12:20] <smartboyhw> drupin, OK
[12:33] <drupin> ok i am on studio now smartboyhw
[12:33] <smartboyhw> drupin, er..................
[12:33] <drupin> lol
[12:33] <smartboyhw> drupin, not lol
[12:34] <drupin> brb call..
[12:34] <smartboyhw> drupin, what we mean by ISO testing is that you download the latest daily and test it
[12:35] <smartboyhw> drupin, I think it is best you return for testing around 11th October or later
[12:35] <smartboyhw> I still need to work on those testcases
[12:41] <drupin> ok
[12:41] <drupin> but what about the current ISCO i downloaded from the mail site
[12:41] <smartboyhw> drupin, what mail site?
[12:42] <drupin> main* ubuntustudio site.
[12:42] <smartboyhw> drupin, that is er 12.04.1 one:P
[12:42] <drupin> yes
[12:42] <smartboyhw> drupin, well we don't do testing on that:P
[12:42] <drupin> is there a new release..
[12:43] <smartboyhw> drupin, yes new release and that is what we want you to test
[12:43] <smartboyhw> drupin, now listen to my lecture:P
[12:43] <drupin> lol yes
[12:44] <smartboyhw> drupin, now the forthcoming release is Ubuntu Studio 12.10, releasing in October 18th
[12:44] <smartboyhw> After 11th October we will start out testing cycle for Final release
[12:45] <smartboyhw> drupin, so you can test after 11th October:P
[12:45] <smartboyhw> drupin, go to iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[12:45] <smartboyhw> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam to learn more
[12:46] <smartboyhw> ..
[12:46] <drupin> ok
[12:46] <smartboyhw> :)
[12:47] <drupin> so 15 more days
[12:47] <drupin> i am running this install on USB..
[12:47] <smartboyhw> drupin, okay:P
[12:48] <drupin> I will need to free my other usb to make the live USB as its having chrome os
[12:48] <smartboyhw> drupin, well you do need to wait for at least a week to do the testing, I haven't uploaded the new post-installation test to the qa tracker
[12:48] <drupin> ok
[12:49] <smartboyhw> drupin, anyway welcome to the Ubuntu Studio testing team?:P
[12:49] <smartboyhw> Oops sorry edit the ? mark out:P
[12:49] <drupin> thanks its ok..
[12:49] <drupin> lol
[12:49] <smartboyhw> lol
[12:49] <smartboyhw> drupin, maybe I should PM (private message) you on that:P
[12:50] <drupin> but you at this age learn this .. your kid will do this at 5 or 6 age
[12:50] <smartboyhw> drupin, LOL
[12:50] <drupin> yeah u can pm me any time
[12:50]  * smartboyhw goes rolling and laughing
[12:50] <drupin> he he
[13:41] <smartboyhw> Hey scott-work


[19:57] <pleia2> fwiw, meetup.com has been very good for our events discoverability-wise, so far I think it has bumped the number of people who attend
[19:58] <pleia2> but I've noticed that there is a high percentage of people who sign up and never show, much higher than I've seen for other RSVP systems
[19:58] <pleia2> I think that's a "thing" with free meetup groups, I've seen it happen with other groups too
[19:59] <pleia2> and I would like to keep the LTP (and/or an "email me to RSVP) option as long as we can, there is still strong opposition to using the proprietary, aggressive meetup.com tooling and a lot of folks here simply won't
[20:00] <lynorian> pleia2, yeah I agree lots of people sign up to meetups then don't show
[20:40] <DonkeyHotei> it's like a like button i guess
[21:31] <philipballew> Putting signs with free food helped me. But then people showed up for the food and nothing else.
[21:36] <nhandler> I'm guilty of clicking the button on meetup and not showing (although I do try and update my rsvp when possible). Clicking the button adds it to my calendar, sends me reminders, and sends me updates from the organizers.
[23:22] <philipballew> I like how meetup.com can add it to your calender. Thats probably its best feature for me.
[23:34] <lynorian> it does not have calcurse support


[00:03] <astraljava> charlie-tca: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjqEn7AAq5E
[00:33] <charlie-tca> new alternate images are up
[00:33] <charlie-tca> still waiting for desktop to finish
[00:42] <micahg> did anyone test to see if accountsservice restored the user list on login?
[00:43] <charlie-tca> haven't even had time to finish syncing yet
[00:43] <micahg> was referring to upgrading a current system/logout
[00:49] <astraljava> I can try tomorrow at the office, while waiting for code to compile or whatever.
[00:51] <charlie-tca> desktop is up now
[00:52] <charlie-tca> sorry, will boot one up and find out
[00:53] <charlie-tca> upgrading now, micahg
[00:54] <charlie-tca> I am a little slow some days
[01:04] <charlie-tca> micahg: it worked, gave me the user list and the session prefilled
[01:05] <charlie-tca> It's even the correct session preselected
[01:06] <charlie-tca> Now if only the background stayed one color
[01:34] <charlie-tca> starting the image tests now
[01:35] <charlie-tca> will run one test per image tonight, to make sure they work
[01:48] <Unit193> I'll run a few 32bit
[01:51] <charlie-tca> great.
[01:51] <charlie-tca> Mostly want to know if we have to fix things or not to get a good image
[02:03] <Unit193> Is bug 819609 really invalid?
[02:05] <micahg> charlie-tca: great news
[02:05] <micahg> Unit193: yes, it was fixed another way
[02:06] <Unit193> Sorry. I still had to login :/
[02:07] <micahg> Unit193: xubuntu or ubuntu?
[02:07] <micahg> ubuntu should be no, xubuntu, yes
[02:07] <Unit193> Xubuntu desktop 32bit
[02:07] <Unit193> Alright
[02:07] <micahg> that should be fixed after alpha3 I think
[02:08] <micahg> at least you should get a user to click on now
[02:08] <charlie-tca> It was against ubuntu, we may still not have a auto-boot to the live session, but that is bug 806408
[02:08] <Unit193> That was the bug on our tracker. I didn't get the user actually
[02:09] <micahg> Unit193: do you have the latest ISO?  we added that this afternoon
[02:09] <charlie-tca> This is still valid for us. We are on hold for another bug to get fixed
[02:10] <Unit193> micahg: I should as I just synced it. I'll check MD5 again
[02:11]  * charlie-tca booting a live cd now to verify
[02:11] <charlie-tca> image should be dated 2011-08-03 for desktop
[02:12] <charlie-tca> The live cd is the only time I get a splash screen in plymouth.
[02:13] <charlie-tca> micahg: the user list doesn't show up in live session
[02:13] <charlie-tca> The only user listed is "other"
[02:13] <charlie-tca> We have to seed it to use ubuntu somehow
[02:14] <charlie-tca> but I don't think we can until we get the bug above fixed, which is on hold for Bug #799754
[02:15] <Unit193> I'm glad it isn't just me as the md5 checked from cdimage.../current/
[02:15] <Unit193> Oddly, I got the plymouth screen in VBox
[02:24] <charlie-tca> strange, that login bug is the only one I see now
[02:26] <charlie-tca> spoke too soon, still has two xubuntu sessions
[02:32] <micahg> charlie-tca: :(
[02:33] <charlie-tca> ubiquity is different than the installed systems. Things don't work the same
[02:33] <charlie-tca> I think something has to happen in casper to make it work
[02:34] <charlie-tca> micahg: I guess if it is broken on live session, but fixed after installing, that is still a gain
[02:35] <charlie-tca> We won't get things working in lightdm for live sessions until those bugs get fixed, which mr_pouit has spent a lot of time on.
[02:35] <charlie-tca> unfortunately, sometimes it seems like they are fighting us all the way
[02:36] <charlie-tca> um, this is bad
[02:36] <charlie-tca> I lost all video after restarting
[02:37] <charlie-tca> I ran the 64bit encrypted install, and the restart has shut the monitor off
[02:38] <charlie-tca> rebooted, did it again
[02:38] <charlie-tca> oh-oh
[02:43] <micahg> charlie-tca: RAOF might still be around in #ubuntu-desktop
[02:43] <charlie-tca> I will assume it is hardware again. will run that test tomorrow now
[02:43] <charlie-tca> I give up tonight
[02:44] <charlie-tca> I have to unplug one drive in the computer to get the lvm encrypted install to work
[02:46] <charlie-tca> I can't do that. I am running the same install in VBox to verify
[02:47]  * micahg is heading to sleep
[02:51] <charlie-tca> Good night, micahg
[03:11] <charlie-tca> Unit193: working for you?
[03:22] <Unit193> charlie-tca: I'm not doing encryption yet
[03:23] <Unit193> Hung for a little, but I went and took a shower so it's fixed :P
[03:27] <charlie-tca> I will finish these two I got running, and call it a night
[03:28] <charlie-tca> I am pretty sure it is the hardware making the encrypted test fail, it did that testing alpha2, too.
[03:28] <Unit193> Shouldn't the network bug go in the install and not the live?
[03:28] <charlie-tca> It's issues with both SATA and PATA hard drive in the same computer
[03:28] <Unit193> I'll run a VBox of that test tomorrow (or late tonight if you really want it)
[03:29] <charlie-tca> It could, but it doesn't really matter. It did come up while installing from the live desktop
[03:30] <charlie-tca> The only one I know will be against the install is bug 814060
[03:30] <charlie-tca> because I don't ever add users to the live session
[03:31] <charlie-tca> and that crashes as soon as you select users and groups
[03:40] <charlie-tca> I give up. I can't make anything work now
[03:40] <charlie-tca> good night
[03:41] <Unit193> Adios, I'll finish this and amybe another (one at a time)
[04:35] <Unit193> Hmmmmm....  The desktop images are starting the install and getting stuck at "Configuring target system..." forever.
[12:54] <charlie-tca> There seems no way to make these work.
[12:54] <charlie-tca> micahg, mr_pouit ^ ^ ^
[12:54] <charlie-tca> both i386 and amd64 desktop images
[13:03] <micahg> charlie-tca: bug 820284?
[13:03] <charlie-tca> yup
[13:03]  * micahg disappears again
[13:04] <charlie-tca> blamed it on too tired last night, but Unit193 said the same thing, and it does it today again
[13:41] <madnick> Is there a work around?
[13:47] <charlie-tca> no
[13:47] <charlie-tca> They will have to respin the desktop images again
[13:47] <charlie-tca> but first, they have to fix them. This is a direct result of the fix yesterday to lightdm to force an auto-login for live sessions
[13:48] <madnick> oh
[13:49] <astraljava> Meh, probably respinning them too late, so I can't download at the office. :(
[13:50] <charlie-tca> haven't even started yet
[13:50] <charlie-tca> They are trying to figure out how to fix it
[13:50] <charlie-tca> alternate images are working, though
[13:52] <madnick> Ill get me one of those :) I was so dumb, I read the bug report and it said "DVD", so I went for a normal image and still got the problem, i need to read better
[14:27] <charlie-tca> hey, I found the lightdm.conf for Xubuntu. It is in /usr/share/xubuntu/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[14:27] <charlie-tca> in oneiric
[14:29] <madnick> In todays images?
[14:29] <charlie-tca> in both live session and installations
[14:29] <charlie-tca> although, for alpha3, live session will be over-ridden by a default file to give the auto-login
[14:30] <madnick> sweet, hope its the complete version, im installing now (53%)
[14:31] <micahg> charlie-tca: the xubuntu settings package is supposed to move replace the lightdm.conf in /etc with the one in /usr/share
[14:32] <micahg> charlie-tca: so, another casper upload just happened to overwrite any custom configuration, so we should get autologin
[14:33] <charlie-tca> micahg: it's all symlinked to /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[14:33] <micahg> right
[14:33] <charlie-tca> so, yes, it should overwrite what we have to make it work
[14:33] <micahg> but that's about to be blown away in casper
[14:33] <micahg> at least for alpha3
[14:33] <charlie-tca> but it will not over-write in installs, only on the live session
[14:33] <micahg> right
[14:34] <charlie-tca> which should be fine.  Can not login after the installation
[16:12] <charlie-tca> bug 820460
[16:37] <charlie-tca> I will put this in the release notes. It is getting to late to keep trying to test these.
[16:37] <charlie-tca> We still don't have valid desktop images
[16:41] <charlie-tca> Encrypting /home also causes login to fail
[17:20] <astraljava> charlie-tca: So the respins are ready?
[17:27] <charlie-tca> only the alternate images are ready
[17:28] <charlie-tca> The desktop images will have to re-built again after they fix the bug blocking the install
[17:43] <charlie-tca> 18 hours and I finally got the amd64 alternate image tested. That must be a record.
[21:36] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: any workaround after we choose the wrong session?
[21:36] <charlie-tca> If the wrong Xubuntu session is chosen, we get a fragmented xfce session.
[21:37] <charlie-tca> Next login, we can choose the other Xubuntu session, but it only changes the wallpaper
[21:37] <charlie-tca> we still don't get the right panels, menu, applets, etc.
[21:40] <charlie-tca> Deleting ~/.cache and deleting ~/.drmc doesn't work
[21:42] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: do we really have to tell people to reinstall because they picked the wrong Xubuntu session?
[21:47] <madnick> Also on the newest lat image, I picked "se" (using detect keyboard, that is swedish keyboard) but it uses US layout
[21:47] <madnick> alt* :)
[21:51] <charlie-tca> found it. We can release note it. If the icons don't appear, logout, rm -r ~/.config, login using the other Xubuntu session
[21:51] <charlie-tca> it will work
[21:52] <Unit193> I was about to say that fix (I've done something like that, picked Xfce Session)
[21:52] <Unit193> I was just never able to fix GDM or my mouse :/
[21:57] <charlie-tca> It's a long way around to login, if you haven't used it before, but it works
[21:58] <charlie-tca> madnick: we are a ways from having things work, but we are gaining
[22:00] <madnick> charlie-tca: just saying :) thing is that i could not figure out why i couldnt login, until i saw it used another keymap, but there is no way of changing at the login screen, so you have to dump to terminal and fix it
[22:00] <charlie-tca> crap
[22:33] <pleia2> hehe, oh my http://www.techdrivein.com/2011/08/linus-switches-to-xfce-calls-gnome-3.html
[22:36] <charlie-tca> Ain't it great!
[22:37] <madnick> hehe, g3 makes my desktop as useless as an android pad :)
[22:37] <pleia2> old news I guess :) but phew
[22:37] <madnick> i dont understand why they push those things
[22:37] <madnick> g3 = gnome3
[22:39] <charlie-tca> I don't know, but let's hope Xfce stays away from the "easy to use interface" thing
[22:40] <pleia2> me too
[22:41] <charlie-tca> I am beginning to really like linus
[22:41] <madnick> you didn't before? :D
[22:42] <charlie-tca> I have to say I do agree with his assessment of gnome3 and it applies to unity too.
[22:42] <pleia2> well, unity was created because they saw that gnome3 was turning out to be.... an unholy mess
[22:42] <pleia2> but yeah, I feel pretty much the same way about the both of them
[22:45]  * pleia2 supposes this is better for -offtopic
[22:45] <charlie-tca> yeah, I suppose it is. But isn't xfce likes and dislikes on topic here?
[22:59] <Unit193> If I want to use Windows, I'll use windows :P "I'm using Xfce. I think it's a step down from gnome2, but it's a huge step up from gnome3. Really" :/
[23:00] <pleia2> yeah, not exactly a glowing review but eh
[23:00] <charlie-tca> That's because Xfce is still very young compared to gnome and kde
[23:00] <Unit193> Better than what Gnome 3 got though :P
[23:00] <charlie-tca> It really is still maturing
[23:01] <Unit193> But it isn't bad as it is
[23:01] <charlie-tca> I sure dislike that "no restart button" in ubuntu now
[23:02] <Unit193> I haven't really tried Ubuntu and I even pointed someone I know in person to X/K/LUbuntu (Give him all the options!)
[23:06] <charlie-tca> If they are coming from windows, the easiest one to learn is Ubuntu. But they are all a big change to set up and install software for.,
[23:06] <charlie-tca> It is a real education to learn that you don't have to go find drivers and programs anymore.
[23:09] <madnick> When I was at uni, and netbooks were new, they all shipped linux, and me and some classmates got netbooks
[23:10] <madnick> They said they were unsuable, until i got them to install ubuntu flavours, they never been happier :)
[23:12] <charlie-tca> Great!
[23:12] <charlie-tca> it's all a gain for non-windows OS's


[00:26] <mandara> can't upgrade by running "update-manager -d". When will new development ver. become available?
[06:05] <vknt> hello all...
[11:15] <MrChrisDruif> Can someone place help me determine what is causing my boot process to sleep for about 2 minutes? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3216976/bootchart/gnome-shell-quantal-20120529-2.png
[13:08] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:10] <penguin42> Hey BK
[15:50] <smallfoot-> does the installer work yet, or you still have to upgrade from precise pangolin?
[15:54] <smallfoot-> !bug
[15:54] <smallfoot-> !search
[15:54] <bazhang> smallfoot-, /msg ubottu
[15:55] <smallfoot-> sry
[15:55] <smallfoot-> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1003443
[15:55] <smallfoot-> seem the bug not fixed yet :(
[15:55] <bazhang> smallfoot-, it's not even alpha
[15:56] <smallfoot-> :(
[15:56] <smallfoot-> im sad that i have 12.04 and it has old GIMP :(
[15:57] <smallfoot-> and everything old
[15:57] <bazhang> smallfoot-, that has nothing to do with this channel
[15:57] <smallfoot-> ok double sry
[15:57] <bazhang> smallfoot-, are you running 12.10?
[15:57] <smallfoot-> yes
[15:57] <smallfoot-> its kinda good :D
[15:57] <smallfoot-> never crashes
[15:58] <bazhang> smallfoot-, you just said you were on 12.04
[15:58] <smallfoot-> only thing bad is that it has old everything, gimp, etc
[15:58] <smallfoot-> and has no cool packages like cinnamon
[15:58] <bazhang> smallfoot-, this is NOT the chat channel
[15:58] <smallfoot-> ok triple sry
[15:58] <bazhang> smallfoot-, you are on 12.04. there is nothing here for you
[15:59] <smallfoot-> but i downloaded 12.10, but it doesn't install cuz it has bug :(
[15:59] <bazhang> smallfoot-, then start bug fixing
[15:59] <smallfoot-> i dont know how
[15:59] <bazhang> smallfoot-, then dont try to run a pre-release
[16:00] <smallfoot-> but i want new GIMP 2.8, my 12.04 only has 2.6 :(
[16:00] <bazhang> smallfoot-, stop it
[16:00] <smallfoot-> fourdouble sry :(
[17:44] <smallfoot-> +1 has /usr?
[17:45] <jtaylor> ?
[18:19] <smallfoot-> root / merged to /usr
[19:59] <smallfoot-> +1 has /usr?
[19:59] <smallfoot-> root / merged to /usr
[20:01] <jtaylor> unlikely that that will be done for +1
[20:01] <jtaylor> as debian is going to freeze soon
[20:01] <jtaylor> maybe +2 or +3
[20:05] <jtaylor> I already look forward to the flamewar part II about this after wheezies release ,_,
[20:07] <penguin42> jtaylor: Their RC list is still quite chunky and doesn't seem to have gone down for a while
[20:08] <jtaylor> yes it will probably be a long and hard freeze
[20:08] <jtaylor> plan is for freeze mid of june
[20:13] <penguin42> I was looking down the list before trying to find anything that I could attack
[20:55] <MrChrisDruif> How can I check what packages have changed since 24th of May?
[20:56] <MrChrisDruif> 23th: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3216976/bootchart/gnome-shell-quantal-20120523-2.png 24th: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3216976/bootchart/gnome-shell-quantal-20120524-1.png
[20:58] <trism> MrChrisDruif: check out /var/log/apt/history.log it has the dates and the changes
[21:03] <MrChrisDruif> If people might want to help finding the troublesome package (maybe trism ?) the changes from the 24 can be found here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1013721/


 http://termbin.com/z6s9
[00:32] <wxl> holy ACPI errors batman
[00:34] <wxl> if you boot with acpi=off, do you have the same problem?
[00:35] <wxl> here's a general article on debugging ACPI
[00:35] <wxl> making sure your BIOS is updated is always #1; there are some other BIOS errors in there so that may be telling
[00:36] <wxl> does the computer feel hot when it's running lubuntu?
[00:37] <wxl> the other day we had a problem kind of like that that was related to the gpu, albeit intel/nvidia
[00:38] <wxl> the key being that `sudo powertop` listed some pieces being particularly hot
[00:38] <wxl> more on that here https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2019/06/30/%23lubuntu.html#t19:04
[00:38] <wxl> @Mrdavidagroves hope that helps
[00:45]  * teward pokes wxl
[02:38] <tomreyn> Mrdavidagroves: Annotated log: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ktbYtQMpfr/
[02:40]  * tomreyn -> zzz
 Hi people
 someone know how install openbox full?
 openbox crashing in my lubuntu
 In selection environment desktop
[20:45] <chieta> how to reload the openbox after editing the lxqt-rc.xml?
[20:53] <lynorian> chieta openbox --reconfigure
[20:54] <chieta> checking lynorian
[20:55] <chieta> not working
[20:55] <chieta> last i tried /usr/bin/openbox --restart --config-file /home/c/.config/openbox/lxqt-rc.xml
[20:57] <chieta> on previous release i used to use openbox-lubuntu --restart lynorian
[20:57] <lynorian> chieta errror message?
[20:57] <wxl> what version are we on?
[20:58] <chieta> no error on your advice command
[20:58] <chieta> now im on 19.04 wxl
[21:02] <chieta> openbox-lubuntu --restart is my command on 16.04 with lxqt session also
[21:02] <chieta> it will work without logout... just in time
[21:03] <chieta> it will load the latest config
[22:13] <chieta> lynorian your command works without error
[22:14] <chieta> what do you think about this lxqt-rc https://dpaste.de/Rz7O
[22:15] <chieta> here the window tiling not working, wxl
[22:15] <chieta> im on 19.04
[22:16] <chieta> how to lxqt handle the window tiling
[22:18] <wxl> chieta: ditch openbox and get a tiling window manager XD
[22:18] <chieta> sth wrong with the lxqt-rc.xml here?
[22:19] <chieta> the lxqt-rc.xml on the 16.04 works well
[22:19] <chieta> what happen to 19.04
[22:20] <chieta> is the windows button still written on config as W
[22:21] <chieta> ?
[22:31] <chieta> is <keybind key="W-e"> still windows button + e
[22:32] <chieta> it doesn't work for the keybinding
[22:59] <lynorian> chieta: to get those to work again you will need your old config and make the main menu not open on the the windows key
[22:59] <chieta> don't get it
[22:59] <chieta> sorry
[22:59] <chieta> make the main menu not open on the the windows key
[23:00] <wxl> chieta: oic the problem. remove the "Meta" keybinding in lxqt-globalkeys. it's taking over your window key.
[23:04] <wxl> but a tiling window manager makes a lot more sense, to be fair
[23:04] <wxl> we're currently in the process of removing every hotkey in openbox that uses the super/meta/windows key
[23:04] <chieta> noted, wxl
[23:05] <chieta> glad we are not working with windows os again then
 sorry me and wxl mess around with each other all the time, just ignore me :)
[23:12] <wxl> don't bother me i'm netcatting


[15:44] <ScottL> i had ubiquity fail on an xubuntu install that i downloaded last night
[19:42] <pleia2> knome: have some time soon to talk website stuff?
[19:42]  * pleia2 is home all day, recovering from flu
[19:44] <knome> sure
[19:44] <knome> how about now? ;)
[19:45] <pleia2> sure
[19:45] <knome> so all the code-stuff can be considered done now
[19:45] <knome> except one thing
[19:45] <pleia2> I updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Website and as far as I know all the todo items are still outstanding
[19:45] <knome> the "latest news" column doesn't have the subscription links
[19:46] <knome> this isn't blocker
[19:46] <knome> we can add them later, or decide to add them elsewhere
[19:46] <knome> if we want them there, i need to poke the code a bit
[19:46] <pleia2> subscription links, like for RSS feed?
[19:47] <knome> yeah
[19:47] <knome> and the email
[19:47] <pleia2> the email thing is silly I think, but we should link RSS and Older Posts somewhere obvious
[19:47] <knome> footer?
[19:47] <pleia2> yeah, that could do
[19:47] <knome> i mean
[19:47] <pleia2> maybe replace Meta
[19:47] <knome> rss in the footer
[19:48] <knome> older posts can be listed in the non-frontpage pages in the sidebar
[19:48] <knome> meta is removed altogether
[19:48] <pleia2> ah yes, it is
[19:48] <pleia2> good
[19:49] <pleia2> what is the older posts link?
[19:49] <knome> i mean, we can *list* them :)
[19:49] <pleia2> currently wp.xubuntu.org/i_like_cookies even works so it's hard to figure out ;)
[19:49] <knome> or print the categories
[19:49] <knome> or whatever
[19:50] <knome> lol
[19:50] <knome> dang
[19:50] <knome> i actually need to touch the repository one more time
[19:50] <knome> :|
[19:51] <pleia2> there was talk of a link to an archives page which lists the stubs by date
[19:51] <pleia2> (sort of standard wordpress archives thing)
[19:51] <knome> hmhm, can you point me to one of those?
[19:51] <knome> or do you just mean the post listings
[19:51] <pleia2> http://princessleia.com/journal/?m=201105
[19:52] <knome> mmh. yeah
[19:52] <knome> do we want an archive with excerpts?
[19:52] <pleia2> I think so
[19:52] <knome> right...
[19:52] <knome> so that's an another thing i need to do
[19:52] <pleia2> is the footer static in the theme?
[19:53] <knome> no
[19:53] <knome> it runs with widgets
[19:53] <pleia2> ok cool, so I can make the updates to change "Xubuntu Links" to "Useful Links"
[19:53] <knome> uep
[19:53] <knome> *yep
[19:53] <knome> you should edit the menus
[19:53] <pleia2> and what should be in "Quick Links" on every page?
[19:54] <pleia2> it's empty now
[19:54] <knome> i suppose the three links that are in the left side of the footer
[19:54] <knome> under that, we could add the post archives + stuff
[19:54] <knome> http://wp.xubuntu.org/wp-admin/nav-menus.php
[19:54] <knome> to edit the menus in footer
[19:54] <knome> that should update the menu everywhere :)
[19:55] <pleia2> cool, thanks
[19:55] <knome> sidebar fixed
[19:55] <knome> partly
[19:55] <knome> i'll fix the images
[19:55] <knome> i think we want the small ones for all the places, right?
[19:55] <knome> i mean, the size in the footer
[19:55] <knome> just looks so much cleaner
[19:55] <pleia2> I think the big ones are ok
[19:56] <pleia2> are you seeing overlapping of the quick links on the main page?
[19:56] <knome> they are maybe a bit too big
[19:56] <pleia2> (might just be chrome)
[19:56] <knome> yup! that's the thing i need to fix
[19:56] <pleia2> ok good
[19:56] <knome> what about something in between?
[19:56] <pleia2> sure
[19:56] <knome> okay
[19:56] <knome> i'll do that then
[19:56] <pleia2> can we get a 404 page instead of defaulting to show the archives? (it's confusing)
[19:57] <knome> and maybe increase the text size
[19:57] <knome> so they fit together better
[19:57]  * pleia2 nods
[19:57] <knome> hmm. i'm not sure why something that is happening, is happening
[19:57] <knome> i need to investigate
[19:57] <pleia2> oh, and do we have a site map?
[19:57] <knome> mmh, nope.
[19:58] <knome> but i hope to be able to get all pages linked in the front page
[19:58] <knome> and the sidebar too
[19:58] <pleia2> ok, so no need for a site map then
[19:58] <knome> so we don't actually need one
[19:58] <knome> yeah
[19:58] <pleia2> I don't know if /press is linked anywhere
[19:58] <knome> that's why there are three columns under the screenshots
[19:58] <knome> we still have one not used
[19:59] <pleia2> cool
[19:59] <knome> so just create a new menu, and add a widget to that area printing the menu
[20:03]  * knome should update xubuntu.yourdomain.com with the newest plugin/theme :)
[20:04] <pleia2> k
[20:05] <knome> ugh, what was the local path again
[20:05] <knome> ah, found it
[20:08] <knome> ok, done
[20:09] <knome> we're running most recent stuff
[20:15] <knome> http://xubuntu.princessleia.com/
[20:16] <knome> how does that look now?
[20:16] <pleia2> ah, that's good :)
[20:16] <knome> yeah
[20:16] <knome> i think it's an improvement
[20:16] <knome> not TOO big :)
[20:25] <pleia2> my brain is full of fail today, FOCUS
[20:25] <knome> hehe
[20:41] <pleia2> knome: what do you think about this, I moved the menus around http://wp.xubuntu.org/
[20:42] <knome> works for me
[20:42] <knome> maybe the links in "news links" could be a bit longer
[20:42] <knome> like
[20:42] <knome> "Xubuntu in the Press"
[20:42] <pleia2> bah, I mixed everything up
[20:43] <knome> "Browse the News archive"
[20:43] <pleia2> ok
[20:43] <knome> "Subscribe to our RSS feed"
[20:43] <knome> just that it doens't look so empty :)
[20:43]  * pleia2 nods
[20:44] <pleia2> there we go
[20:45] <knome> great
[20:49] <pleia2> ok, updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Website
[20:49] <pleia2> so I think we just need summary-style archives page and a 404 page
[20:49] <knome> yup
[20:50] <knome> i'm on the excerpts
[20:52] <pleia2> comments are silly, I think we want to default to disabling them
[20:53] <knome> okay
[20:53] <pleia2> hooray for bulk edit
[20:56] <knome> http://xubuntu.princessleia.com/i_like_cookies
[20:56] <knome> it's a problem in the xubuntu.org hosting
[20:57] <pleia2> annoying
[20:59] <pleia2> ok, all the key pages are now linked from the front page
[21:04] <knome> do we ever want comments?
[21:04] <knome> if not, i'll just remove all the code related to those
[21:04] <knome> so we'll fallback to default
[21:06] <knome> that's done :P
[21:06] <pleia2> yeah, no comments ever
[21:17] <knome> http://xubuntu.princessleia.com/2011/08/
[21:17] <knome> excerpts + pagination
[21:17] <pleia2> looksg good :)
[21:18] <knome> brb
[21:35] <knome> pleia2, i'm about to switch to the new plugin
[21:35] <pleia2> ok
[21:36] <knome> http://xubuntu.princessleia.com/
[21:36] <knome> does it already
[21:36] <knome> hover over the image
[21:36] <pleia2> nice!
[21:36] <knome> (and click the arrows)
[21:36] <knome> i just need to get out one bug
[21:41] <ochosi> knome: looks nice!
[21:41] <knome> ochosi, thanks!
[21:42] <knome> it's using the new photoslider version of the plugin1!!
[21:42] <knome> -1
[21:42] <ochosi> :)
[21:42] <knome> and that was just a drop in
[21:42] <knome> really
[21:42] <ochosi> cool
[21:42] <knome> no tweaking
[21:42] <knome> just drop it in and change the settings
[21:42] <pleia2> cool
[21:42] <knome> well, i need to tweak the js code a bit
[21:42] <knome> other than that, everything should be fine
[21:43] <ochosi> hm, just one tiny comment: in the quick-links, could the icons also be recolored on hover?
[21:45] <ochosi> oh, the fact that i get a horizontal scrollbar on the page after the first pic slides away, is that the bug you were referring to?
[21:50] <knome> ochosi, bug:yup
[21:50] <knome> ochosi, hover: maybe
[21:54] <pleia2> apparently I was optimistic about the "recovering" part of my flu, my fever is back, heading to bed again!
[21:54] <knome> awwh
[21:54] <knome> get well soon!
[21:54] <pleia2> thanks :)


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[21:57] <guiverc> shall we post release announcement of 16.04.6 on fridge?  yes if agree please.
[21:58] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Have yet to see the "offical" announcement .
[22:02] <guiverc> Lukasz 'sil2100' Zemczak announced (just under 3hrs ago), i received mail, haven't looked for lists.ubuntu.com copy yet (maybe hasn't hit there..)
[22:03] <guiverc> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2019-February/004719.html
[22:11] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Adding to Gdoc :)
[22:14] <guiverc> thanks Bashing-om :)
[22:15] <Bashing-om> guiverc: What I get paid for :P
[23:52] <guiverc> a fridge-editor to 2nd (or nay/nah/no) 16.04.6 on fridge?