[22:15] <ActionParsnip> BlueProtoman: remove the PPA and all remove the libreoffice packages, then install from the official Ubuntu repos
[22:16] <q_plaz> This is a fresh install of Ubuntu 12.10, just did all my upgrades and couldn't install it
[22:17] <guntbert> Freewill: he has no error message posted, he has no problem, he is trying to help solving one
[22:18] <Freewill> guntber: thx for the clarification.
[22:19] <q_plaz> The Wine1.4 64-bit package has dependencies to the normal wine1.4, which has dependencies on wine-i386
[22:19] <toph> han
[22:19] <guntbert> Freewill: :)
[22:19] <q_plaz> which it says, cannot install
[22:19] <raven> xubuntu 12.10 not maximized windows hide behind panels, any ideas? http://picpaste.com/ea7d6007929aacf066c3403c32a5e655.jpg
[22:20] <ciao> ciao
[22:20] <ciao> list
[22:21] <hs366> !list
[22:21] <hs366> !!
[22:21] <ciao> ! list
[22:22] <ciao> !list
[22:23] <hs366>  /msg ubottu !bot
[22:23] <hs366>  !bot
[22:23] <guntbert> !askthebot > hs366
[22:23] <LucidLuna> !askthebot > lucidluna
[22:24] <zimzim> ActionParsnip: my wireless is now working, thx
[22:28] <q_plaz> Yikes I should've just gone with the LTS release
[22:29] <eddie2222> hello all, I was wondering if someone could help me with an error updating from 10.10 maverick up to 11.04... I get an error thrown when i do a sudo apt-get update/sudo apt-get upgrade/sudo apt-get dist-upgrade about being able to reach the maverick repositories main/source/sources.gz and /main/binary-i386/Packagez.gz.. And yes I know 11.04 is not officially supported either
[22:29] <eddie2222> i just need helping getting past the update. thanks
[22:30] <eddie2222> tried the update using the shell as well as the gui package manager.
[22:30] <eddie2222> alternatively, if someone could help me get my sound working, then I wouldnt have to update at all.
[22:31] <FirePowi> Why do Multiverse is activate by default ? please.
[22:33] <hs366> should I install any firewall on Ubuntu 12.04 ?
[22:33] <almoxarife> hs366: do you have a router in front of you?
[22:34] <almoxarife> hs366: do you get dhp from a router?
[22:34] <hs366> i have one wifi connected to my internet
[22:34] <almoxarife> hs366: connected via what?
[22:34] <guntbert> eddie2222: PLease take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - but it seems a little outdated
[22:34] <hs366> WiFi with DHCP  [22:35] <almoxarife> hs366: that 'thing' you connect via wifi is your firewall, look at its 'settings'
[22:36] <almoxarife> hs366: unless there are others connectiong within your network to that thing you dont trust then there is no need for a firewall
[22:37] <hs366> no, I use Student house (Sweden), they usually connect computer directly to Wall-jack for Internet,  I connected to my Wifi Router, use DHCP and closed ICPM on my router.
[22:37] <d00m> Evning everyone! I need some help, is it able to rar a file (archive style) via terminal?
[22:38] <LucidLuna> yep
[22:38] <eddie2222> guntbert: ive checked there, but like i said above, it fails to find the repository files when I go to check software updates/upgrade computer
[22:38] <hs366> I think you can, I found some info from 7zip , if you run Terminal then type man 7zip you will get some info
[22:39] <almoxarife> hs366: then you are safe behind the router settings
[22:39] <Wulframn> I installed 12.04 and updated all packages today. My audio is working, but sounds horrible. Please help =P
[22:39] <d00m> hs366 tackar
[22:39] <hs366> almoxarife,  ok Cool  Thx
[22:39] <eddie2222> the only error message that pops up is one about disabling 3rd party sources in the /etc/apt/sources.list file
[22:40] <hs366> d00m,  np
[22:40] <eddie2222> and then it crashes on setting new software channels. same error about connecting to the main/sources/sources.gz and main/binrary/i-386/packages.gz
[22:41] <cexwzq> ive just bought an ipod. it is possible to sync it by bluetooth?
[22:42] <almoxarife> !info ipod
[22:42] <almoxarife> !ipod
[22:42] <cowsquad> hello guys. I need some help creating a simple email script. Can anyone help me?
[22:42] <cexwzq> wok
[22:42] <cexwzq> ok
[22:42] <insomniac_lemon> I installed Chrome on Xubuntu 12.04, and told it to be the default browser, every time I use it, it asks again, and every time I try to open a link in IRC it asks what to use, and Chrome is called "Debian sensible browser"......
[22:43] <q_plaz> I saw a recommendation to install Wine1.5 for 12.10 because Wine1.4 doesn't work for it. However it has dependencies on the 32-bit package which cannot install too
[22:43] <q_plaz> I'm going to have to downgrade to 12.04 I think
[22:43] <Rikstation> Can i make xorg.conf independent of GFX card, i have removed an nvidia card and have now an ATI card, cannot load ubuntu
[22:43] <almoxarife> Rikstation: does ati need xorg.conf?
[22:44] <linux> hi
[22:44] <linux> every one
[22:45] <TheLinuxGuy101> hi linux
[22:45] <linux> what the new
[22:45] <almoxarife> linux: you got a question?
[22:45] <d00m> damn, apt-get install unrar doesnt work ;<
[22:46] <Rikstation> almoxarife, not 100% sure but since the change i get fatal error no screen and issue with nvidia so done rmmod nvidia and changed device from "nvidia@"to "nv" in xorg.conf but still no luck any pointers as im lost for direction what three can i bark at next
[22:46] <eddie2222> d00m: try 'sudo apt-get install unrar-free'
[22:46] <eddie2222> without the single quotes of course
[22:46] <d00m> eddie2222 ty
[22:47] <d00m> :D
[22:47] <almoxarife> Rikstation: rename xorg.conf, you have the ati drivers installed? do so if not, un-install the nvidia drivers, and reboot
[22:47] <linux> i have problem with unity +compiz
[22:47] <eddie2222> d00m: no problem
[22:47] <linux> unity crashing
[22:47] <q_plaz> Can anyone else join #winehq or is that room closed
[22:47] <hs366> d00m, maybe  it help you: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2043444
[22:48] <Rikstation> almoxarife, unintsall = rmmod nvidia? would you suggest another way
[22:48] <hs366> q_plaz,  i joined
[22:48] <almoxarife> Rikstation: you said xorg.conf existed? yes?
[22:48] <q_plaz> hs366: thanks
[22:49] <Rikstation> almoxarife, i have done the rmmod, i renamed the xorg.conf, in this case i just get blank screens and the monitor turns off. i do not have the ati drivers installed
[22:49] <q_plaz> it says I'm banned and I've never been in there before :<
[22:49] <almoxarife> Rikstation: no drivers installed for the card ati?
[22:49] <Rikstation> almoxarife, currently in the partedmagic live cd Which is awesome
[22:50] <Rikstation> no almoxarife, not installed, suggested method from current situation?
[22:50] <hs366> q_plaz,  I don't know about the rules ! but maybe you need to register first
[22:51] <gunarm1> i'm trying to put fortune in my motd.d and something isng working
[22:51] <almoxarife> Rikstation: use apt-get in terminal on the ubuntu, not sure though what package you need to install, fgrlx?
[22:52] <almoxarife> !info ati
[22:52] <tentaclemoose> is there a specific channel for nexus7 ubuntu?
[22:52] <almoxarife> !ati
[22:53] <almoxarife> tentaclemoose: #android-root is a good start
[22:53] <Rikstation> almoxarife, to do this, before ubutu loads, i would need to be connected to the net, i am unfamilier on how to do this via cli, i will research how, thank you
[22:53] <tentaclemoose> i wasn't so concerned with the installation
[22:53] <gunarm1> I noticed that if I do fortune it works, but sudo fortune fails to find a file, /usr/games/fortune is rwxr-xr-x
[22:53] <gunarm1> root:root
[22:54] <tentaclemoose> almoxarife: i was more concerned with the ubuntu side of things
[22:54] <trism> gunarm1: root probably doesn't have /usr/games in it's path, /usr/games/fortune works, though I'm not sure why you are running it with sudo
[22:54] <tentaclemoose> almoxarife: **desktop linux side of things, specifically, the various desktop environments and various OS improvements that could be made
[22:54] <alecst> (not specifically ubuntu-related) any idea why the OK button doesn't show up in Evolution mail?
[22:54] <alecst> http://i.imgur.com/CgWfA.png
[22:54] <tentaclemoose> in any case, i shall continue my search there, thank you very much.
[22:55] <cheesecakes> my bios shows my cpu clock speed at 1.80 mhz but ubuntu is showing 800 mhz
[22:56] <cheesecakes> its a dell inspiron 1420 laptop
[22:56] <cheesecakes> am i missing something
[22:56] <cheesecakes> its a dual core cpu
[22:56] <almoxarife> tentaclemoose: i saw a vid of someones idea (not conical yet) of ubuntu running on android, he had ubuntu running in the background and accessed it via a vnc window, it looked pretty mess
[22:56] <insomniac_lemon> Why does Ubuntu 12.04 have no sound after installing
[22:56] <tentaclemoose> whoawhoawhoa slow down ther almoxarife
[22:57] <tentaclemoose> nexus 7 has official canonical support
[22:57] <tentaclemoose> it's their testbed for porting the OS to arm
[22:57] <tentaclemoose> *portable arm
[22:57] <FauxFaux> cheesecakes: Hopefully it's showing the powersaved cpu speed, and will go up if you actually use the cpu.
[22:57] <almoxarife> tentaclemoose: well then, it should be a piece of cake, good luck
[22:57] <cheesecakes> FauxFaux: can i max out the cpu and test it
[22:57] <tentaclemoose> read the above comments i made
[22:57] <tentaclemoose> i was concerned with performance, and was looking for people with experience in the matter
[22:58] <cheesecakes> i saw this 800 mhz in /proc/cpuinfo
[22:58] <insomniac_lemon> I don't have sound in Xubuntu 11.04, either, no matter what profile I use, even after installing a bunch of updates.
[22:58] <FauxFaux> cheesecakes: If you really care that much, sure.
[22:58] <cheesecakes> how?
[22:58] <insomniac_lemon> Err, Xubuntu 12.04
[22:58] <mike_papa> hello, I've just created my first (working) livecd with ubuntu customization kit. I'm wandering... how come it's almost twice as big as original .iso file? I removed dozens of packages, not really smallest, and all I added was Chrome, Pycharm and Django. Does update add so much?
[22:58] <chemaher76> hello
[22:59] <mike_papa> Or this image that you download from Ubuntu site is somehow compressed?
[22:59] <cheesecakes> any help is appreciated
[23:00] <d00m> shouldnt apt-get install rar work?
[23:00] <cheesecakes> i am trying this becuase i feel better performance is possible
[23:01] <mike_papa> d00m: works for me
[23:04] <kieppie> dcherniv: got it working now, thanks for your help. was the g'damn fglrx drivers provied by ATI that was fubar. had to resort to some PPA regression hack
[23:06] <gunarm1> trism I assumed the motd scripts were already run as root
[23:07] <keber> mis juhtub, kui ükskott näitab ükskotti kaksikutele, kui kaksikutestükskott näitab kaksikutest ükskotti kolmikutele, kui kolmikutest ükskottnäitab kolmikutest ükskotti nelikutele, mis juhtub, kui nelikutest ükskott näitab nelikutest ükskotti viisikutele, mis juhtub kui viisikutest ükskott näitab viisikutest ükskotti kuusikutele, mis juhtub, kui kuusikutest ükskott näitab kuusikutest ükskotti seitsmendikkudele, mis juhtub, kui seitsmendikust
[23:08] <kieppie> I'm having trouble with my PulseAudio all of a sudden. I've tried reinstalling the PA - getting this in my syslog: http://pastebin.com/uJ7xVrXm
[23:09] <trism> gunarm1: they are
[23:09] <blackshirt> hey
[23:09] <Macone> hey
[23:10] <Macone> any tips on how to get python work with ubuntu?
[23:10] <Macone> or should I google>???
[23:11] <kieppie> anyone able to help me out with theis PulseAudio issue on 12.10 please?
[23:11] <blackshirt> macone, pyhton works great in linux
[23:11] <[TiZ]> Okay, I've got a REALLY weird linking problem... apparently ld can't find a shared library if it has a version number at the end. If I take the version number off, I can compile. But then I can't run it because it's looking for a file with the version number at the end!  My sound card does not work, encore enm232-8via, I know it works on an old version of ubuntu I have, so it must be compatible, what should I do
[23:12] <xjkx> Its listed on "Sound" in gnome control center
[23:13] <xjkx> Sorry, crashed, still with the sound problem
[23:14] <insomniac_lemon> xjkx, I think it's a bug with Ubuntu 12.04, my video card is recognized as a sound device, but has no options (in ALSA), and does not have any working profiles in pulseaudio
[23:14] <xjkx> insomniac_lemon: its just because your video card has a hdmi output
[23:15] <xjkx> Happens the same here in all ubuntu versions I have
[23:15] <insomniac_lemon> yes, but I had no problems in 11.04
[23:15] <insomniac_lemon> it worked through HDMI then
[23:16] <insomniac_lemon> It just only worked in 1 profile
[23:17] <xjkx> where do I check these profiles you speak of ?
[23:17] <Macone> OK blackshirt, do you know if python and rubi is packages are present in pack 12.04
[23:17] <Macone> ruby....
[23:17] <Dr_Willis__> ruby is in the repos.. python is installed by default
[23:18] <insomniac_lemon> xjkx, in whatever audio settings, under "configuration" or something there will be a drop-down box with different profiles
[23:18] <Macone> how do i get ruby??
[23:18] <ktu> @.@
[23:18] <ActionParsnip> Macone: install it like any other package
[23:18] <ActionParsnip> !ruby
[23:19] <ActionParsnip> Macone: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RubyOnRails
[23:19] <Dr_Willis__> !manual | Macone
[23:19] <marcm> hey there
[23:20] <marcm> which PPA should I use for PHP 5.4 and Ubunutu 12.04 LTS? Thanks
[23:21] <ActionParsnip> !ppa | marcm
[23:21] <sambagirl> what i have a tremendous lack of understanding is why these companies setup these cloud configurations and the instances you can create are so mem low. why are the memory options so low? they act liked 2gig for a server is incredible.
[23:21] <xjkx> Its weird, the mic works -.- when I speak, audacity reacts, so the mic works ! But I cant hear
[23:22] <marcm> ActionParsnip understand, but I'd like to use PHP 5.4 on Ubuntu 12.04
[23:23] <ActionParsnip> marcm: the link Ubittu gave allows you to searc the PPAs.
[23:23] <cambazz> hello, i need to take some frames out of a 2 hr avi file. i tried to splice it with ffmpeg, and although it was successful, was not to much use
[23:23] <cambazz> is there a video editing / cutting tool like virtual dub?
[23:23] <ActionParsnip> marcm: you would have found:  sudo add-apt-repository ppa:webstack/php; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[23:23] <sambagirl> he left
[23:24] <sambagirl> he came back
[23:24] <marcm> ActionParsnip webstack, hmm, sounds nice :D
[23:24] <Dr_Willis__> irc_332,irc_333: channel topic/date
[23:24] <ActionParsnip> marcm: all I did was search using the page ubottu gave, nothing more.......
[23:25] <marcm> ActionParsnip so that is from backports then?
[23:25] <ActionParsnip> marcm: no, its a PPA.
[23:26] <marcm> ActionParsnip i just read that they backported it from Quantal, sorry, my bad
[23:27] <cheesecakes> ubuntu shows my clock speed as 800mhz
[23:27] <cheesecakes> whereas the bios says 1800 mhz
[23:27] <cheesecakes> ?
[23:27] <Dr_Willis__> auto throttling/cpu speed governr in work sounds like cheesecakes
[23:28] <marcm> cheesecakes probably you have power savings enabled
[23:28] <cheesecakes> how do i disable it / speed up the machine
[23:28] <cheesecakes> its not a very pleasant experience
[23:28] <Dr_Willis__> it should auto speed up as needed....
[23:30] <ActionParsnip> cheesecakes: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/12/indicator-cpufreq-cpu-frequency-scaling-indicator-applet
[23:32] <Macone> thx every ine for their help!!
[23:33] <Macone> I going to script a bit now...see what happens...
[23:35] <miozoim> In xubuntu, is there a way to access folders and files by just one click and not double click?
[23:35] <Macone> You tips has been good...
[23:38] <Dr_Willis__> miozoim:  that would be a feature of the file manager i belive.. Im not sure the xfce file manager has tha toption
[23:39] <Fudge> anyone know of a nautilus development channel
[23:40] <miozoim> Found it ;)
[23:43] <xjkx> I don't see the Install Drivers in this latest ubuntu version, the one that would offer me nvidia and such
[23:46] <almoxarife> !ping
[23:46] <Dr_Willis__> xjkx:  in a tab under the software-sources tool
[23:48] <blackshirt> miozoim,yes
[23:48] <Diazo> Howdy all, I'm on YouTube right now and I'm viewing videos doesn't matter which clip it is and everything seems to be in blue. Instead of the actual colors that should be displaying. Anybody know a fix for it?
[23:49] <xjkx> Dr_Willis__: where is this, on the left new menu thing ?
[23:49] <ActionParsnip> Diazo: sudo mkdir /etc/adobe; echo "EnableLinuxHWVideoDecode=1" | sudo tee /etc/adobe/mms.cfg > /dev/null
[23:49] <Jordan_U> Diazo: http://askubuntu.com/questions/117127/flash-video-appears-blue
[23:51] <Diazo> ActionParsnip, I suppose that fixes the issue?
[23:51] <ActionParsnip> Diazo: yes, or I wouldn't have given you it....would I...
[23:51] <Diazo> ActionParsnip, Just making sure don't wanna alter something without reason.
[23:52] <Diazo> Thanks ActionParsnip and Jordan_U I'll try one of the two.
[23:52] <ActionParsnip> Diazo: you could easily undo it by removing the file
[23:52] <xjkx> Dr_Willis__: found it thanks
[23:53]  * stijndg is away (Stijn is out BNC logging messages)
[23:54] <Diazo> I gotcha.
[23:54] <Diazo> brb
[23:56] <Diazo> Thanks disabling the hardware acceleration was easier and did fix the problem.
[23:56] <Diazo> :)
[23:57] <dsa> hey ppl


[15:10] <doko> man-di: we need to figure out how to build maven2 on the buildds (manually breaking up some dependencies)


[05:52] <guest`> what can i use with kismet .. a while back i used wepattack
[09:45] <devin_> hello?
[09:45] <devin_> having some video problems
[09:45] <devin_> with a dimension 8100
[09:45] <devin_> i was trying to activate beryl with the nvidia go thats in the laptop
[09:45] <devin_> but now i can't get video when x starts
[09:46] <devin_> and i don't know how to boot safe video mode
[09:46] <devin_> so i go into recovery mode under root
[09:46] <devin_> but i'm not sure what to do from there to edit the conf to what it was
[12:02] <cryptos> i have a Ati X700 and i want to see a divx on TV (with tv-out) and with driver XV, i now use ATI DRIVER 8.36.5, but when i play the movie i see it not in full screen on tv, my section "Device" is it: http://rafb.net/p/QEVJX496.html
[12:03] <cryptos> i'm italian, excuse me for my english


[07:45] <fiesh> we're using netplan on our router / server box, its configuration is https://paste.debian.net/1197100/  during maintenance schedules, it seems our ISPs router (<IP_ADDRESS>) does a power cycle, leading to a "enp4s0f3 NIC Link is down" / "enp4s0f3 NIC Link is up" cycle.  whenever this happens, the default route is dropped and not added back automatically.  I can't figure out why this is, what to do
[07:45] <fiesh> (installing ifplugd doesn't seem like the right approach here, I'd just like the route to remain, and I don't know how it interacts with netplan anyhow).  Any hints?
[08:05] <slyon> fiesh: with "default route" you mean the gateway4/6 settings? Is there any other networking daemon running in the background (besides netplan/systemd-networkd), like NetworkManager or dhclient? Or maybe the ISPs router sends IPv6 RAs, to reconfigure the default routes... you could try: "accept-ra: false"
[08:06] <slyon> mcint: it should apply on reboot. Try "netplan --debug apply" do see what's going on.
[08:08] <slyon> Sat0: macvtap is currently not supported, see: https://bugs.launchpad.net/netplan/+bug/1664847
[08:12] <slyon> oh I see you're using "accept-ra: false" already..
[09:10] <fiesh> slyon: yes, the two gateways are dropped.  There's no NetworkManager or dhclient.  However, since the system hosts many lxc instances, lxd is running.  It seems that lxd spawns an instance of dnsmasq -- could that be related?
[09:10] <fiesh> doing a `netplan apply` re-adds the gateways correctly after they've been dropped
[09:14] <slyon> fiesh: yeah.. sounds like something is changing the default gateway in the background somehow. Is the default gateway removed all together or changed to a different value? Is the static route still there after this change?
[09:15] <slyon> Would it be an option to define your default gateway as a static route as well?
[09:33] <fiesh> slyon: the default route is just gone
[09:34] <fiesh> slyon: that's a good suggestion... I'll give it a shot
[09:37] <fiesh> slyon: ok so it work after the `netplan apply`...  I'll have to try a link down later when there's less traffic I'll potentially break
[09:38] <fiesh> slyon: I am very hopeful... thank you! :)
[09:38] <slyon> :) let me know if that works!
[09:39] <fiesh> (I'm optimistic since no other routes go missing after the link cycle, so it would seem that adding the default route this way should behave alike)
[09:54] <slyon> ack
[12:29] <mcint> slyon: thanks, nothing. in lxd *lxc containers, just the 50-cloud-init.yaml file. ok. it says it applied, but doesn't include the new ip address nor nameserver i configured
[12:29] <mcint> renderer: networkd
[12:30] <slyon> mcint: would you mind sharing your YAML config?
[12:31] <slyon> e.g. via paste.ubuntu.com
[12:31] <mcint> yeah... will sanitize values
[12:31] <mcint> seems likely that it's a container issue
[12:32] <mcint> ** (generate:10751): DEBUG: 12:31:03.940: openvswitch: definition eno1 is not for us (backend 1)
[12:32] <mcint> ** (generate:10751): DEBUG: 12:31:03.940: NetworkManager: definition eno1 is not for us (backend 1)
[12:33] <lukasm> that looks ok, as you said you're using networkd as a backend renderer
[12:34] <mcint> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/K6RBFr277y/
[12:35] <mcint> I had not included one before. also --debug, helped ...remind me i wasn't doing it as root
[12:35] <mcint> also seeing:  DEBUG:eno1 not found in {}
[12:36] <mcint> ...and the device is called eth0@if130. some kind of lxc autogenerated vdev/if
[12:36] <mcint> device that exists.  I'm clearly missing some fundamental understanding, and I don't think it's even in netplan
[12:37] <slyon> mcint: yeah "eno1 not found in {}" is not good. I think you're missing the netmask in your IP address, try "addresses: [<IP_ADDRESS>/24]" (or what every your netmask is
[12:38] <slyon> but that should throw parsing errors IMO..
[12:39] <slyon> it shows this for me: "test.yaml:5:7: Error in network definition: address '<IP_ADDRESS>' is missing /prefixlength"
[12:39] <slyon> try fixing this up, maybe it can then correctly generate your configs
[14:06] <mcint> oh, sorry - bad hand-redaction.  I do have netmasks on every address for the interface
[14:14] <mcint> https://pasteboard.co/K1pi6rs.png
[14:16] <slyon> mcint: ok. Is this definition for eno1 or eth0? I think you should not add the @if130 suffix to eth0
[14:16] <slyon> also, indentation might be off due to the #eno1 comment, not sure how picky YAML is in this case


[00:13] <spridel> waiting for NYE count down
[00:14] <stlsaint> hehe
[00:14] <stlsaint> im not doing anythign for new years aside from eating chicken and watching movies
[00:15] <spridel> i'm hoping some of my friends get in touch and we're going out
[00:26] <stlsaint> cool
[00:26] <stlsaint> i dont trust folks on new years
[00:26] <stlsaint> people (especially in texas) bring out guns and fireworks
[03:31] <stlsaint> Linden940: poke


[12:02] <spike> neuralis: I have my points against cyrus, but what's so wrong with courier? and I do like dovecot, just cant see what's so bad about courier
[12:14] <neuralis> spike: the security track record is just as bad, iirc.
[03:17] <curado> hi
[03:18] <curado> i'm trying to migrate some sarge box at my job to ubuntu.. but i need information to justify it
[03:18] <curado> could someone give me some tips?
[03:18] <h3sp4wn> curado: don't if there was a reason you would already know it
[03:21] <curado> it would not be a reason.. it would be something to prove ubuntu being better to a server...
[03:21] <curado> h3sp4wn: do you admin ubuntu servers or just sarge ones?
[03:30] <infinity> curado: To be honest, there's very little difference between an Ubuntu or Debian server.
[03:31] <infinity> curado: If you plan to move to Ubuntu when dapper releases, however, perhaps some people will be happy to know that we will provide security support for dapper (on the server-side) for 5 years.
[03:31] <infinity> Nice to know if you don't particularly like upgrading every 18 months (I know I can never be bothered)
[03:31] <curado> but what about security team for ubuntu server?
[03:32] <curado> i already admin some ubuntu servers.. but this is the first time i need to consider migrating a sarge machine to ubuntu
[03:33] <infinity> What about the security team?... It's the same security team as for all of Ubuntu.
[03:33] <curado> that's why i ask for help..
[03:33] <infinity> And we do our best.
[03:33] <infinity> As for migration, the best adive I can give is "do full backups, pin your apt preferences, and jump in"
[03:33] <curado> :)
[03:34] <infinity> Basically, to get a complete migration, you need to "sidegrade", which can mean forced downgrading of some packages.
[03:35] <infinity> The following in /etc/apt/preferences should do it:
[03:35] <infinity> Package: *
[03:35] <infinity> Pin: release a=breezy
[03:35] <infinity> Pin-Priority: 1001
[03:35] <infinity> (A pin-priority over 1000 will force downgrades to respect the pin)
[03:36] <curado> but would you migrate a server from sarge to breezy?
[03:36] <curado> i really want that..
[03:37] <infinity> I did not that long ago.
[03:37] <infinity> But, then again, I develop for both Debian and Ubuntu, so I had my own personal reasons for doing so, and obviously some good idea as to how well it would wrk.
[03:38] <infinity> (For the record, sarge->breezy goes pretty smoothly, generally.  Some packages will get a forced-downgrade, but they're all close enough in version that everything seems okay once the dust settles)
[03:38] <curado> so both would be a good option..
[03:39] <curado> and when dapper releases i should consider migrating..
[03:39] <curado> that's right?
[03:41] <h3sp4wn> curado: some sarge / some woody / a ubuntu test machine - if its working properly there is no reason to upgrade (In my opinion) if you are going to upgrade you might as well do it onto new hardware and just migrate the data
[03:42] <curado> thanks for you advice..  :)
[03:42] <curado> and what about new servers?
[03:42] <curado> breezy or sarge?
[03:43] <h3sp4wn> what running ?
[03:43] <curado> apache, nagios, mysql, openldap
[03:43] <curado> some other services too
[03:43] <curado> like dns, dhcp..
[03:54] <h3sp4wn> wait for dapper or sarge - dapper seems to run faster (in my admittedly quite limited testing) I don't know about reliability - even though it probably will work fine (and you will receive no praise etc)if it doesn't then you will get the trouble
[03:56] <curado> ok  :)
[03:57] <curado> thanks a lot
[05:25] <Vaske_Car> hello
[05:26] <Vaske_Car> anybody here willing to answer few questions?
[07:55] <xerophyte> can i able to split the tar archive file into small parts ?? i have huge folder which has 12G of data
[09:55] <allee> xerophyte: command split.  But that's more #ubuntu question, isn't it
[04:11] <xerophyte> does anybody know why do i get this error ount: block device /dev/sda5 is write-protected, mounting read-only the fstab entry for that /dev/sda5 /       ext3    defaults 1 1 and when i  try to  mount -o remount  / does anybody know does that mount is mounting with read-onley
[04:18] <ivoks> that's an usb stick?
[04:20] <xerophyte> ivoks, nope its sata drive
[04:20] <xerophyte> with root partion
[04:21] <xerophyte> mounted with rw but i am not able to create any file only on the root partition
[04:22] <ivoks> remount should mount it rw
[04:22] <ivoks> unless there is some hardware write protection or filesystem is corupted
[04:23] <xerophyte> EXT3-fs error (device sda5) in start_transaction: Journal has aborted
[04:23] <xerophyte> EXT3-fs error (device sda5) in start_transaction: Journal has aborted
[04:23] <xerophyte> how can fix that
[04:26] <ivoks> fsck-ing
[04:26] <ivoks> grab an install or live CD, and fsck that partition
[04:53] <jurjenst> When I take the time of create a 'ubuntu_webserver' or 'ubuntu_firewall' meta- & configuration-package. Is there a chance that somebody would include it in the ubuntu repository? I have send some ideas about it on the mailinglist.
[04:54] <jurjenst> The idea is to install a combination of packages and to make them work together.
[04:54] <jurjenst> So ubuntu_mailserver will install a working amavisd-new and spamassassin.
[04:54] <ivoks> i doubt that will enter dapper
[04:55] <ivoks> jurjenst: and clamav-daemon i hope :)
[04:55] <jurjenst> That is no problem... it would not be stable enough before end of the month ;)
[04:55] <ivoks> but wait a sec...
[04:55] <jurjenst> ivoks: naturally
[04:55] <ivoks> there is allready spec for that
[04:55] <jurjenst> ivoks... where?
[04:55] <jurjenst> I would like that ;)
[04:55] <ivoks> sec...
[04:56] <ivoks> https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-instant-server/+spec/ubuntu-instant-server-manager
[04:59] <jurjenst> ivoks... thanks that looks a lot like it... I will try and contact Mario about the ideas...
[05:00] <jurjenst> I am building a package for my work to create a complete mailserver automagically. But to debug this work an official package would help quite a bit.
[05:03] <ivoks> jurjenst: mario is online ATM
[05:03] <ivoks> let me contact him...
[05:04] <ivoks> jurjenst: meet mario (pygi) :)
[05:05] <pygi> hi jurjenst
[05:13] <jurjenst> Hello.. it looks like the instant server option is a bit more abigious that my plans ;)
[05:14] <pygi> jurjenst: hehe
[05:14] <jurjenst> I want to install some software (small sets) and configure them together.
[05:14] <jurjenst> So people have some guidance to install servers...
[05:14] <pygi> well, have you read the specs? (at least what's left of it)
[05:14] <pygi> There are docs about server configuration on the way
[05:15] <jurjenst> But it is some extra work to provide php interfaces for all the software... it's fun to create but it is a lot of effort
[05:15] <pygi> php interface??? who was talking about php interface?
[05:15] <jurjenst> I like to create a script that configures postfix - spamassassin - clamav together.
[05:16] <jurjenst> 1: Ease of use (we used a php interface on a seperate server from the main apache
[05:16] <jurjenst> it's in the docs ;)
[05:17] <jurjenst> I will try to create a first version of the packages this weekend... I will mail the result for comments.
[05:17] <pygi> what kind of scripts are you going to provide?
[05:17] <pygi> wait, don't work on anything until we agree what is to be done -P
[05:18] <jurjenst> ubuntu-webserver, ubuntu-mailserver, ubuntu-sqlmailserver, ubuntu-firewall ;)
[05:18] <jurjenst> these are just mega packages and some configuration to glue them together.
[05:19] <jurjenst> And a good sample configuration ... but still very close to the current packages
[05:19] <pygi> No, I would suggest you don't do that =P
[05:19] <jurjenst> why?
[05:19] <pygi> Are you familliar with python?
[05:19] <jurjenst> meta... instead of mega ;)
[05:19] <jurjenst> yes..
[05:19] <pygi> well, why not write python scripts for configuration according to u-i-s specs?
[05:20] <jurjenst> is ok..
[05:20] <jurjenst> I was thinking about some really ugly bash scripting but python is a good alternative ;)
[05:21] <pygi> hm, lemme dig up the specs and try to explain it to you
[05:21] <pygi> I'll also try to be of some help, but I can't promise any of coding at this time
[05:26] <pygi> oki, were you looking at this?
 mislio sam da ce to biti rasulo
 na kraju je prilicno dobro ispao
[05:26] <pygi> bah, wrong paste :P
[05:26] <pygi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuInstantServerSpec
[05:27] <pygi> also this
[05:27] <pygi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BOFs/UbuntuInstantServer
[05:27] <pygi> ???
[05:33] <pygi> jurjenst: still alive?
[05:42] <visik7> hi
[05:42] <visik7> iptables is a ubuntu-server related question ?
[05:43] <fabbione> no
[05:43] <fabbione> -> #ubuntu
[05:43] <visik7> ok
[05:43] <pygi> o, fabbione is alive
[05:43] <fabbione> barely
[05:43] <fabbione> i am recovering
[05:44] <spike> fabbione: about this "is it related". I added some stuff to the ServerFaq page, if you wanna have a look at it
[05:44] <pygi> ugh :-/ what happened?
[05:44] <fabbione> spike: what was the url?
[05:44] <fabbione> pygi: have been ill
[05:44] <spike> fabbione: some guy with nick redguy came asking for something to include in the ubotu bot's factoid for server
[05:45] <fabbione> ok
[05:45] <spike> fabbione: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerFaq
[05:45] <spike> fabbione: ssee "Where can I get help?"
[05:46] <fabbione> yeah
[05:46] <fabbione> there is #ubuntu-server
[05:46] <fabbione> that should really say #ubuntu
[05:46] <fabbione> and join #ubuntu-server if you want to help
[05:46] <spike> the guy never showed up again, so I dont know how to get it in the factoid
[05:47] <fabbione> we also need to change the url to the seeds
[05:47] <fabbione> that one is obsoleted
[05:48] <fabbione> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/dapper/server
[05:48] <fabbione> this is the new url
[05:49] <spike> k
[11:51] <J_P> hi all
[11:51] <J_P> people, I have ubuntu 5.10, and I am using redir program and doing this : "redir --laddr=200.xxx.xxx.xxx --lport=9000 --caddr=<IP_ADDRESS> --cport=80  --debug", but this isn't working, but I test this comand in debian sarge and are working, version is equal (2.0). In ubuntu redir receive conection but cannot redirect it... Anyone have anyone idea ?
[11:57] <J_P> anyone here ?


[04:30] <flocculant> ochosi: xfce 14792
[17:42] <ochosi> brainwash: updated with latest findings: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1795135
[17:48] <theta8> Noticed the Desktop Settings application hangs when your xfce4-desktop.xml is 'outdated'
[17:48] <theta8> found this after upgrading my existing install to 18.4.1
[17:49] <theta8> *hangs when after you select a folder to look for images in
[17:53] <theta8> the xml was not malformed so I'm guessing there was a setting in it no longer supported
[17:53] <theta8> I've upgraded my existing install at least two other times prior
[18:30] <flocculant> ochosi: no idea then, normally I'd assume this install was all over the place. But it's pretty much fresh with just our ppa's.
[18:31] <flocculant> aah - I see comments in xfce-dev about it
[21:47] <bluesabre> evening all
[21:48] <ochosi> heya
[21:50] <flocculant> hi bluesabre ochosi
[21:50] <bluesabre> hi flocculant ochosi
[21:51] <flocculant> feels odd being here late enough on a school night :p
[21:52] <bluesabre> glad to see folks still around when I get around
[21:52]  * flocculant feels positive about just testing and not shepherding :p
[21:53] <bluesabre> s/shep/mouse/
[21:53] <flocculant> heh
[21:53] <flocculant> bluesabre: so anyway - parole bugs where you have to muck about to get something to play to start with
[21:53] <flocculant> don't ask me to report it
[21:53] <flocculant> again :p
[21:54]  * flocculant goes looking in his list
[21:55] <flocculant> bug 1705243
[21:55] <bluesabre> Yep, got lots of parole bugs to fix from the last 2 cycles
[21:55] <flocculant> someone I know (well) hates this one
[21:55] <flocculant> that's from 17.something ...
[21:56] <flocculant> and currently I've been using parole more - and I second them lol
[21:57] <flocculant> bluesabre: not sure what info I could gather for that one - but if you do, then I will
[21:58] <flocculant> not sure if the git version suffers though tbf
[22:02] <bluesabre> flocculant: thanks, will let you know if I need some patch testing or more details :)
[22:02] <flocculant> that'd be good - every time I use it - I look at that bug report :p
[22:03] <flocculant> ochosi: I know that maybe this isn't the way to fix things, but why not just move the default panel to a sensible place - like at the bottom ...
[22:03] <flocculant> :)
[22:04] <flocculant> and re the settings issue - I'd be good grabbing from git again to prove fixes
[22:05] <bluesabre> We can add a panel daily build to https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/ppa to make that easier on folks
[22:06] <bluesabre> Was also thinking of making a tool to refresh your configs based on the current x-d-s to test that more easily
[22:07] <flocculant> bluesabre: well - once we know what Dippy Doodle is and ppa's work properly again - I'll be adding them all in again
[22:08] <ochosi> flocculant: thanks, we first have to figure out what's wrong with that custom exo widget (how i'd love to replace that)
[22:08] <ochosi> in settings i mean
[22:08] <ochosi> and re: panel location, yeah, that'd be even worse than the workaround i added to the panel ;)
[22:09] <flocculant> hah to the last one :p
[22:09] <flocculant> and yea - ack, just let me know and I'll use it to start getting back some love :p
[22:10] <ochosi> alrighty, not sure how long fixing that may take
[22:10] <ochosi> actually exo is kinda bluesabre's department ;)
[22:10] <flocculant> well I'm still here :)
[22:10] <flocculant> ha ha ha
[22:11] <flocculant> shuffle those cards
[22:11]  * ochosi tries to sneak out the back door...
[22:11] <flocculant> he he he
[22:13] <brainwash> ochosi: isn't GTK3 to blame for the settings manager glitch?
[22:13] <ochosi> well potentially
[22:14] <flocculant> and much else ...
[22:14] <ochosi> but we also haven't dropped all deprecations
[22:14] <ochosi> so that can also be a source of weird effects
[22:14] <ochosi> and custom widgetry doesnt necessarily behave the same in gtk2 and gtk3 if you "just port it"
[22:15] <brainwash> the same widget is used in thunar, right?
[22:15] <flocculant> this is exactly why I don't code ochosi :p
[22:15] <flocculant> 'this year's excuse'
[22:16] <ochosi> brainwash: yeah, should be exoiconview if i don't misremember
[22:16] <ochosi> still, wouldn't mind to drop it from the settings manager
[22:17] <bluesabre> since I can reproduce with the clear button, I can probably figure out the issue
[22:17] <ochosi> the semi-broken hover effect is also due to that
[22:17] <ochosi> yeah, probably just a lost refresh/redraw
[22:17] <bluesabre> gtk is weird with it's events, probably a new one "text-cleared" that doesn't line up with "changed"
[22:17] <ochosi> maybe a gtk_widget_queue_redraw in a random place will help :p
[22:18] <bluesabre> will debug it sometime this week (feel free to beat me to the punch)
[22:18] <ochosi> hah, i'm happy i figured out the panel bug
[22:18] <ochosi> that ate some of my "free evenings"
[22:18] <ochosi> next i'd rather start fixing the remaining deprecations
[22:18] <ochosi> or at least reducing them
[22:19] <ochosi> both settings and panel need that
[22:19] <bluesabre> Suppose I can apply your panel changes to each settings dialog
[22:19] <ochosi> (feel free to support me on that, although i understand it's more boring than adding features)
[22:19] <ochosi> i think the g_setenv should be enough in the settings manager
[22:20] <ochosi> it only affects plugged dialogs
[22:20] <bluesabre> the only real annoying thing I've been working on has been the gigolo port
[22:20] <ochosi> it's not a problem of the standalone dialogs
[22:20] <bluesabre> and it's 99% done now
[22:20] <bluesabre> true
[22:20] <bluesabre> Should be easy to test that
[22:20] <ochosi> yup
[22:21] <bluesabre> will check it out tonight
[22:21] <bluesabre> gotta help with dinner now, bbl
[22:21] <ochosi> sure thing
[22:21] <ochosi> hf
[22:21] <flocculant> cya later bluesabre
[22:21] <ochosi> i'll be hitting the hay now too
[22:21] <ochosi> night everyone
[22:22] <flocculant> and good night to you too then :)


[06:19] <flocculant> bluesabre: thought I'd best remind you of that parole/some mkv files issue
[06:22] <flocculant> tried to install parole from daily ppa and got some dependency issue with gstreamer1.0-clutter
[19:31] <a1fa> hello - i hit a strange resume bug with xfce in xubuntu 17.04 not wanting to unlock after resuming
[19:31] <a1fa> anyone else hit that?
[19:33] <flocculant> a1fa: only seen resume after lock issues when I've locked accidentally and quickly tried resuming
[19:33] <flocculant> with nvidia
[19:34] <flocculant> best thing you can do is report it ubuntu-bug light-locker then you can report that bug number in here
[19:34] <a1fa> this is a laptop with intel gpu - i waited 10 min between resumes
[19:34] <flocculant> people able to test will try and confirm that
[19:34] <a1fa> should i do launchpad bug report?
[19:35] <flocculant> didn't see it when I was using intel on the desktop - but laptop/desktop issues often vary
[19:35] <flocculant> a1fa: use ubuntu-bug and it will grab all the things it needs from your system
[19:35] <a1fa> let me try again
[19:36] <a1fa> btw - liking the new defaults in 17.04
[19:36] <flocculant> a1fa: also the xubuntu-devel mailing list is a good place to catch people using dev version
[19:37] <a1fa> flocculant: how long should i wait before resume? 30s?
[19:37] <a1fa> <
[19:37] <flocculant> when I've managed to fail it - it was less than the time it takes to enter a password - so 30s should be fine :)
[19:38] <a1fa> ok. 50s.. i get "This session is locked"
[19:38] <a1fa> so i get prompted for password, i unlock it, it goes to black screen with "This session is locked"
[19:38] <flocculant> mmm
[19:38] <flocculant> we saw that before cycle or so back
[19:39] <flocculant> not tried lately - might be back in a bit too long ...
[19:39] <a1fa> so far the workaround is to restart lightdm
[19:41] <a1fa> should i open a bug for light-locker?
[19:42] <flocculant> you can or I can now I've had a go ...
[19:42] <flocculant> I'll dig out the old bug
[19:44]  * flocculant checks one of the previous symptoms
[19:45] <a1fa> were you able to replicate it?
[19:45] <flocculant> yup
[19:45] <flocculant> and the old symptom
[19:46] <flocculant> a1fa: thanks for bringing it up :)
[19:47] <a1fa> no problem - glad it will get some attention
[19:48] <a1fa> i'm also testing btrfs on root on this machine
[19:48] <a1fa> its a laptop with dual msata disks
[19:49] <flocculant> bluesabre: so we appear to have lock issues again - very similar to bug 1622303
[19:49] <flocculant> which last time was down to pitti change to x-d-s - but guessing not that as we've got same package still
[19:50] <flocculant> I'm seeing slightly different than last time - lock with music playing, unlock and momentarily can hear music - which then stops again - cursor flashing in top right on tty8 as it tries to unlock
[19:51] <flocculant> I guess it would be best to report anew for this cycle?
[19:51] <flocculant> and \o/ for it not being the middle of April ;)
[19:53] <a1fa> want me to report it?
[19:54] <flocculant> a1fa: probably - but also maybe not as we have the bug linked just above from the 16.10 cycle
[19:54] <flocculant> a1fa: would be useful to know if you saw it in 16.10?
[19:55] <a1fa> i did
[19:55] <a1fa> but it unlocked after 2nd time
[19:55] <flocculant> oh really
[19:55] <flocculant> odd
[19:55]  * flocculant will try tomorrow at booting with intel driver and checking that too
[19:56] <a1fa> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-locker/+bug/1656399
[19:56] <flocculant> a1fa: you didn't run ubuntu-bug from a terminal? just manually reported it?
[19:57] <a1fa> manually :X
[19:58] <a1fa> dont have the interwebs on that laptop
[19:58] <flocculant> right
[19:58] <a1fa> can i run it into a file, and attach it?
[19:58] <flocculant> yea - trying to remember how :)
[20:00] <a1fa> here i got interwebs up now
[20:00] <a1fa> lets see
[20:01] <flocculant> a1fa: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing_bugs_when_offline_or_using_a_headless_setup
[20:03] <a1fa> ok i think i associated the report
[20:09] <flocculant> a1fa: thanks :)
[21:31] <a1fa> flocculant: i got some more news.. same behaviour after idle screen
[21:42] <flocculant> a1fa: pretty sure that's the same light-locker
[21:55] <a1fa> yeah and if you click lock, same thing happens -_X
[22:01] <flocculant> yup
[22:09] <flocculant> bluesabre: luckily I can confirm all this lock issue on a vm so no need to install to see it
[22:10] <flocculant> well - when I say luckily I have tongue in cheek - what would be really lucky would be a cycle without light-locker coming up again
[22:10] <flocculant> (unless it's lightdm ofc)
[22:12] <flocculant> also - pretty sure I wasn't seeing this for the whole cycle - at some point in the last couple of months I've suspended and it's been ok


[02:52] <InventorTechie> What would be the differences w/ Ubuntu-Gnome, and Ubuntu LTS 18.04 w/ Gnome, once we have the latest kernes in comparison that is.
[02:52] <InventorTechie> kernels*
[07:32] <fleetfox> heh i knew this will happen :d
[07:56] <John[Lisbeth]> Congradulations you guys you did it
[07:56] <John[Lisbeth]> gnome variante main variant for the win
[08:23] <marech> hiiya! anyone managed to install gnome 3.24 on ubuntu 16.04?
[08:24] <darkxst> marech, you will need 17.04 if you want latest gnome
[08:25] <marech> ahh, don't want to reinstall everything again :(
[08:26] <marech> how you guys manage transition to new/fresh install of os? have some script to import settings, files etc?
[08:41] <fleetfox> marech: mount your homedir as separate partition
[08:51] <nanodrone> okay so i installed the ubuntu gnome desktop package and it fixed almost everything.
[08:51] <nanodrone> and there's a new entry called GNOME on Wayland.
[08:52] <nanodrone> what's the difference between wayland and the normal GNOME?
[09:00] <fleetfox> one is wayload other is X
[09:00] <fleetfox> wayland
[16:34] <CountryfiedLinux> howdy
[16:35] <CountryfiedLinux> What will become of Ubuntu Gnome next year? Will Ubuntu Gnome 17.10 update to Ubuntu or Ubuntu Gnome?
[18:27] <CountryfiedLinux> What will become of Ubuntu Gnome next year? Will Ubuntu Gnome 17.10 update to Ubuntu or Ubuntu Gnome?


[03:31] <bcurtiswx> anyone else getting skipping movies in Karmic?
[03:35] <micahg> skipping?
[03:37] <bcurtiswx> yeah i play a movie.. doesn't matter the player
[03:38] <bcurtiswx> and a little ways into the the video skips (not the volume) and speeds up to catch up.. then stops.. and speeds up to catch up and does this frequently
[03:38] <micahg> I have had this on occassion
[03:38] <bcurtiswx> micahg: know any ways to workaround.. (if there a report yet?)
[03:39] <bcurtiswx> not compiz.. still does it when its off/on
[03:39] <micahg> movie player worked for me when I had the issue
[03:39] <bcurtiswx> yeah movie player does it
[03:39] <bcurtiswx> this is from file on the drive.. not a CD or DVD
[03:40] <micahg> yes, I have the issue now in vlc
[03:40] <micahg> movie player is smooth
[03:40]  * micahg guesses he should file a bug
[03:41] <bcurtiswx> well at least you know you'll get confirmation ;-)
[03:41] <bcurtiswx> what to file it with?
[03:41] <bcurtiswx> not compiz or player specfiic
[03:41] <bcurtiswx> specific*
[03:42] <micahg> i think my file is divx how about you?
[03:42] <bcurtiswx> .avi
[03:42] <micahg> yes, but what codec
[03:42] <bcurtiswx> i dunno
[03:42] <bcurtiswx> way to find out?
[03:43] <micahg> yeah, open in movie player and select movie properties
[03:43] <micahg> brb
[03:43] <bcurtiswx> XVID MPEG-4
[03:44] <dtchen> VLC is probably using the 'default' audio output, which is ALSA, which means it routes through alsa-lib to the pulse plugin and back out to ALSA.
[03:45] <dtchen> you should configure VLC to use the pulse audio output, which eliminates the first routing through alsa-lib.
[03:45] <dtchen> there are numerous bug reports in Launchpad on this symptom
[03:45] <bcurtiswx> im not using VLC.. totem and banshee so far
[03:45] <dtchen> as for non-VLC, i would need to know if you can reproduce it with all of today's updates
[03:45] <dtchen> i'll also need to see pastebinned /var/log/user.log
[03:46] <bcurtiswx> updating
[03:47] <bcurtiswx> hey cool, themuso added the freedesktop sounds for empathy
[03:48] <dtchen> great, 500+ PA bugs to triage on my day off/holiday.
[03:49] <bcurtiswx> dtchen. i lost count on my empathy bugs
[03:49] <dtchen> it's going to be a long night of whiskey and darts.
[03:49] <bcurtiswx> still a prob, brb with pastebin
[03:50] <bcurtiswx> dtchen: http://paste.ubuntu.com/291308/
[03:51] <bcurtiswx> its just video problems tho.. sounds fine
[03:52] <dtchen> ah, just video? neverminde.
[03:52] <dtchen> -e
[03:52] <bcurtiswx> i love all the pulse lines tho... <gets dizzy>
[03:53] <bcurtiswx> i wouldn't know what to report this bug to
[03:53] <micahg> no, my problem was sound
[03:53] <dtchen> yeah, well, it'd be a tiny bit more concise if we carried Fedora's rtkit linux patches
[03:53] <dtchen> micahg: see above regarding VLC's audio output preferences
[03:53] <micahg> yep, checking now
[03:54] <micahg> dtchen: that fixed it
[03:54] <micahg> well
[03:54] <micahg> almost
[03:54] <dtchen> yes, i know (:
[03:54] <bcurtiswx> ok what to file against.. movie video skipping.. but not sound... compiz off and on.. no change... different codecs.. no change, different players, no change
[03:54] <dtchen> you also need to ensure you're running the absolute latest Karmic
[03:55] <micahg> I set it for pulse, but it's still skips every few seconds a few milliseconds
[03:55]  * micahg jsut updated
[03:55] <dtchen> micahg: that's likely our missing rtkit stuff in linux, then
[03:55] <micahg> bcurtiswx: weird
[03:55] <dtchen> micahg: try adding @audio to RT
[03:55] <micahg> we have a similar but different problem
[03:55] <dtchen> micahg: (i.e., in /etc/security/limits.conf)
[03:55] <micahg> dtchen: how?
[03:55] <micahg> ok
[03:56] <bcurtiswx> let me try somethin.. brb
[03:59] <bcurtiswx> darn-it
[03:59] <bcurtiswx> still does it
[06:41] <darthanubis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/449272
[06:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 449272 in compiz "Invest applet drop down leaves a shadow on desktop" [Undecided,New]
[07:20] <mac_v> darthanubis: did you thank yourself in the bug report? ;p
[07:38] <kblin> hi folks
[07:38] <kblin> is there a real reason why bug 444289 is private?
[07:39] <ubot4> kblin: Bug 444289 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/444289 is private
[07:40]  * kblin gives ubot4 a cooke
[07:40] <kblin> cookie, though
[10:43] <diffy> I thing that gpsd didn't recognize anymore my USB gps receiver, maybe a bug in the driver used by gpsd for it ?
[10:43] <diffy> think sorry
[11:03] <jarlen> hey
[11:08] <matti> ;]
[11:20] <maxb> Does anyone know if apport of thunderbird crashes is ever useful? Because usually it just hangs my system and then dies from out of memory
[11:23] <davmor2> maxb: try running ubuntu-bug thunderbird and read the report
[12:10] <tordne> a
[14:19] <kblin> hey folks. I take there's nothing more I can do to help with bug 392828?
[14:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 392828 in ubuntu "security.ubuntu.com not reachable via IPv6" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/392828
[14:24] <thekorn> kblin: I was told the other day that everything related to the infrastructure should get a ticket at rt.ubuntu.com
[14:24] <thekorn> not sure if this is the case here too
[14:25] <kblin> same login as launchpad?
[14:25] <thekorn> kblin: no, loging and password both 'ubuntu'
[14:25] <thekorn> super secure ;)
[14:26] <joaopinto> anyone else experiencing the non working VTs ?
[14:27] <thekorn> joaopinto: you mean on karmic? - yes
[14:28] <joaopinto> yes, on karmic
[14:28] <davmor2> joaopinto: Yeap but only on certain hw.  Try dropping back into the same vt session
[14:28] <joaopinto> thekorn, are you using fglex ?
[14:28] <joaopinto> fglrx
[14:28] <joaopinto> danstoner, dropping back into the same vt session ?
[14:29] <thekorn> joaopinto: ehm, no it's an nvidia card, but I don't have access to this machine right now
[14:29] <davmor2> joaopinto: yeah go back to c-a-F7 then back to C-A-F2 or whatever
[14:30] <davmor2> seems to work on intel
[14:30] <davmor2> but not ati or nvidia
[14:30] <joaopinto> it doesn't work for me, ATI
[14:31] <joaopinto> any idea if it's being worked ? is there a bug report about it ?
[14:31] <kblin> works for me on an ati, I think
[14:33] <joaopinto> kblin, you get a working VT with CTRL-ALT-F1 ?
[14:34] <kblin> yeah, I think so
[14:34] <kblin> let me get the laptop
[14:35] <joaopinto> kblin, make sure you have all the updates, this started this week, probably related to usplash updates
[14:38] <kblin> joaopinto: yesterday's updates, I think, works like a bliss :)
[14:39] <joaopinto> ok, so it's hw specific
[14:39] <joaopinto> kblin, are you using fglrx ?
[14:41] <kblin> I guess not. jockey-kde comes up empty, and there's no content in my xorg.conf either
[14:41] <kblin> I didn't give it much of a thought
[14:42] <kblin> I recently installed kubuntu 9.04 on the thing. that sucked alot, but I decided to give 9.10 a go before nuking and downgrading
[14:43] <joaopinto> you dont need a xorg.conf to use fglrx, you just need to install it
[15:11] <alex_mayorga> Hello, can anyone please confirm if bug #449556 is a duplicate?
[15:11] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 449556 in telepathy-butterfly "telepathy-butterfly crashed with TypeError in b64decode() (dup-of: 401028)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/449556
[15:11] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 401028 in pymsn "telepathy-butterfly crashed with TypeError in b64decode()" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/401028
[15:21] <thekorn> alex_mayorga: I think technically it is a duplicate, as it is the same code which is broken in both cases,
[15:22] <thekorn> alex_mayorga: I think it makes sense to add a task to the papyon package in ubuntu to this pymsn bug report
[15:23] <alex_mayorga> thekorn, can you remove "private" from my report, I don't think there's nothing private on it
[15:24] <thekorn> let's see
[15:24] <thekorn> alex_mayorga: your  report is already public
[15:25] <thekorn> the retracer changed it for you
[15:27] <alex_mayorga> OK, thanks
[15:27] <alex_mayorga> is there anything else I can chip-in?
[15:28] <thekorn> I don't think so
[15:32] <alex_mayorga> Can you help me or point me to the right document, I have a problem when switching users and trying to back to the first one the screen goes blank
[15:33] <alex_mayorga> and never recovers
[16:20] <lfaraone> Hey, can somebody else on karmic see if they can reproduce bug 449596 ?
[16:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 449596 in policykit-gnome "polkit-gnome-authorization crashed with SIGSEGV in __libc_start_main()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/449596
[16:32] <alex_mayorga> lfaraone, I can try, do you have STR?
[17:05] <rockwlrs> Is there a boilerplate message for when someone posts a nice bug report, but as a follow-up to a completely different bug?
[17:14] <lfaraone> alex_mayorga: yeah, it crashes on start.
[17:14] <lfaraone> alex_mayorga: just run "polkit-gnome-authorization"
[17:18] <deuxpi> There is a bug in gnome-sudoku (#445449) that should probably by marked as Wishlist. Can someone from Bug Control can take a look at this please?
[17:23] <alex_mayorga> lfaraone, it loaded here, no crash... yet
[18:30] <lfaraone> alex_mayorga: odd.
[18:35] <alex_mayorga> lfaraone, would you mind trying to replicate mine? got two user ids?
[18:35] <lfaraone> alex_mayorga: sure./
[18:36] <alex_mayorga> login with A, switch to B and try to come back to A's session, my screen blanks at that point, so beware
[18:36] <rockwlrs> Is there a boilerplate message for when someone posts a nice bug report, but as a follow-up to a completely different bug?
[18:42] <xteejx> Hi guys, I've been away from triaging for a while, and will be back doing bits here and there, but this new Firefox greasemonkey script "firefox-lp-improvements" is confusing, I've installed greasemonkey and the script from synaptic, but I can only see peoples karma and team membership status in the bug reports. Shouldn't I also be able to add tags quickly and insert canned repsonses from Bugs/Repsonses? I can't see any button or any way to do this, or doe
[18:42] <xteejx> sorry for the long message hope someone wouldn't mind reading it and answering :)
[18:44] <bdmurray> check tools -> add-ons -> extenstions -> Launchpad Improvments and the preferences button to ensure buttontags and stockreplies are enabled
[18:46] <xteejx> bdmurray, will do cheers brian :)
[18:47] <xteejx> bdmurray, all the checkboxes are checked, including LP_ButtonTags and LP_StockReplies
[18:48] <bdmurray> try disabling greasemonkey too just in case as the extension doesn't need it
[18:50] <xteejx> bdmurray, nope nothing changed, i can still see karma, etc but no buttons strangely, where do the buttons show up, just in case i'm really stupid and have missed it?
[18:50] <bdmurray> "Add tag" shows right above the regular launchpad "Tags"
[18:51] <bdmurray> response only show up when you exand the modification bit by the bug tasks table
[18:52] <bdmurray> responses and expand ;-)
[18:54] <xteejx> bdmurray, ahhhhh the down arrow by the package name hehe VERY handy ;)
[18:57] <xteejx> is there an apport hook for hal?
[18:58] <bdmurray> xteejx: for which release?
[19:00] <xteejx> its reported against 7.10, so i'm hoping as its hardware detection that its ok in jaunty/karmic but really jaunty i suppose as hal is deprecated in karmic isnt it? or is that wrong?
[19:03] <xteejx> dw i'll be asking the reporter to check it in karmic anyway, so i guess it was a stupid question lol :)
[19:12] <alex_mayorga> xteejx, bug? I'm on karmic over here :)
[19:13] <xteejx> cool alex, i was on karmic but reverted to jaunty after 1 or 2 problems with my wifi
[19:14] <xteejx> alex_mayorga, do you have an LCD/TFT display?
[19:14] <micahg> xteejx: which chipset?
[19:14] <xteejx> ar242x lol :(
[19:14] <alex_mayorga> xteejx, I'm on a laptop, does it help?
[19:14] <micahg> xteejx: have you tried the karmic backports?
[19:15] <micahg> It's usable for me, still not great, but doesn't drop as frequently
[19:15] <micahg> *linux-backports
[19:15] <xteejx> alex_mayorga, it does yes, are you able to confirm bug 67226 for me with the latest firefox and openoffice as i didn't have any problem like that, that i can remember...please :)
[19:15] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 67226 in openoffice.org "Font is too blurry in firefox interface and pages rendering" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/67226
[19:16] <xteejx> micahg, i was using karmic before reverting to jaunty, granted it was *slightly* better but still too unusable
[19:16] <xteejx> jaunty didnt seem quite as bad
[19:18] <micahg> yeah, I hope the linux wireless people can fix it before release
[19:20] <xteejx> dont know why
[19:20] <xteejx> have i lost connection?
[19:21] <xteejx> yay im back damn wifi lol brb
[19:35] <alex_mayorga> xteejx: my FF fonts don't look blurry, IMHO
[19:50] <hakaishi> Hi folks, I have a problem with updates and nvidia drivers. Is there somone I can talk to or may I write about it here?
[19:52] <Pici> hakaishi: If you're looking for support, the best place to ask is #ubuntu (or #ubuntu+1 if you're running Karmic/9.10)
[19:53] <hakaishi> okay, thank you very much^^
[19:57] <joaopinto> hum, several unbootable systems reports today
[20:48] <xteejx> am i here or is my connection shot again?
[20:49] <bdmurray> you are here ;-)
[20:49] <micahg> bdmurray: meeting tomorrow?
[20:49] <xteejx> hehe thanks brian almighty bug master ;)
[20:52] <bdmurray> micahg: hmm, I actually have a conflict at that time :-(
[20:52] <micahg> next week?
[20:52] <micahg> I can';t make it till 16L30 anyways
[20:53] <bdmurray> the 20th would work better for me
[20:54] <micahg> ok
[20:54] <micahg> me too
[20:56] <micahg> bdmurray: did the fileabug thing get reverted?
[20:57] <bdmurray> micahg: nope
[20:57] <micahg> hmmm
[20:57] <micahg> I was able to file a bug at +fileabug on something...
[20:57] <bdmurray> that is because you are in bugcontrol
[20:57] <micahg> or rather +filebug
[20:57] <micahg> ah
[20:57] <micahg> nice
[20:59] <xteejx> brian, do i need to reapply for bug control, mine expired a while back and have been too busy with other stuff to triage, or am I safe to continue as a regular triager and just request changes in Importance?
[21:02] <xteejx> bdmurray, ^^
[21:04] <xteejx> Also can I have bug 75384 changed to Wishlist please? (I think that's correct - and in Jaunty at least there is still no option to change the conversion engine)
[21:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 75384 in xsane "xsane PDF file sizes could be optimized" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75384
[21:05] <xteejx> Offtopic: Just for a moment...is there any plans to use Google Wave collaboration tool with bug triaging or working together in the future (just curious), or do we already have something like that?
[21:06] <micahg1> xteejx: done
[21:07] <xteejx> micahg1, good ol' micah :) thank you :D
[21:10] <fale> hi guys :)
[21:11] <fale> would have sense to close all the bugs relatives to dropped versions of ubuntu?
[21:12] <bdmurray> how can you guarantee that they don't apply to the current version without testing the bug?
[21:12] <xteejx> fale, no since we don't know if they're still a problem in a current version unless they are tested
[21:13] <xteejx> beat me to it lol
[21:13] <fale> xteejx: I see
[21:13] <xteejx> i always work back to front clearing out the old cruft anyway, so there is someone clearing out stuff from old versions :)
[21:14] <fale> I see ;)
[21:14] <xteejx> obviously following testing procedures, reproducing, etc.
[21:14] <micahg> While some of us are just trying to keep above water with the new bugs :)
[21:15] <xteejx> the sensible ones ;)
[21:15] <xteejx> my family are all irish, thats my excuse hee
[21:17] <fale> we have a loooooot of open bugs :(
[21:18] <micahg> >60k
[21:18] <micahg> fale: I sort by newest first and try to keep the new ones under control
[21:19] <xteejx> imagine how many bug reports M$ have sitting on top of the shredder.....
[21:19] <micahg> xteejx: does M$ take bug reports?
[21:19] <fale> xteejx: fedora has <5k..
[21:19] <xteejx> micahg, well it's more like apport click and send
[21:19] <micahg> and after they take all the personal information out of it, they trash the bug report?
[21:20] <xteejx> fedora isn't as popular as ubuntu, but i can't account for 55k difference...oh well keeps us busy i guess :)
[21:20] <xteejx> micahg, yeah ... dont get me started on them and HP grr
[21:20] <micahg> xteejx: more people opening bugs
[21:21] <xteejx> micahg, yeah i suppose
[21:21] <micahg> xteejx: we also do crash reports as bugs
[21:21] <xteejx> micahg, thats true...
[21:21] <xteejx> bdmurray, brian did you reinstate my bug control privileges?
[21:23] <bdmurray> xteejx: yes
[21:24] <kklimonda> hey, are there some statistics/discussion about direct link to submission page removed? I'm wondering how is it affecting community.
[21:24] <micahg> bdmurray: are you going to send out an announcement for a meeting next week?
[21:24] <xteejx> bdmurray, i did wonder why the importance came back up lol thankyou :)
[21:24] <xteejx> and sorry for being away so long!
[21:25] <Adri2000> is it possible nowadays for upstreams to get more bug privileges (see private bugs, mostly) for their packages?
[21:25] <bdmurray> micahg: I'm a bit swamped atm
[21:25] <micahg> ok
[21:25] <bdmurray> kklimonda: I have some
[21:26] <xteejx> Adri2000, only bug control can see private bug reports on launchpad
[21:26] <bdmurray> Adri2000: the privileges are not package specific but yes it is possible for upstream developers / triagers to become part of ubuntu bugcontrol
[21:27] <Adri2000> bdmurray: even if they are not at all involved in the rest of ubuntu? if they just want to be able to triage their software's bugs?
[21:28] <Adri2000> if yes, what's the process then?
[21:28] <bdmurray> Adri2000: basically contact jcastro
[21:29] <kklimonda> bdmurray, was the change worth it? Lots of people are confused about it (I see questions about how to submit bugs every day on forums, irc or in the wild). How long till we can decide whenever people are getting used to it? Or maybe you will talk about it on the next meeting and then there is no reason to discuss it atm. I can wait :)
[21:31] <Adri2000> bdmurray: ok, thank you
[21:34] <bdmurray> kklimonda: well, the quantity of bugs reported w/o a package has decreased a fair bit since the change, and the quantity of bugs reported w/ apport has increased.  Additionally bug reporting volume hasn't really been affected.
[21:34] <joaopinto> kklimonda, enforcing minimal info on a bug report is a good thing IMHO, as for how to report bugs, people asking that don't know how to google :)
[21:37] <kklimonda> joaopinto, I agree wholeheartedly with you - I was just wondering how many people are having problems with the new way of reporting bugs. As people who don't have problems aren't talking about it I was looking for some "raw data".
[21:39] <xteejx> The new apport facilities are great, it's definitely helping, I wish there could be a self diagnosis type dialog though which seems to have started to be implemented, i.e. What is the fault   *Hardware     *Software     *Other      *Hardware > *Ubuntu cannot find my hardware   *My hardware crashes my computer   *blah     *blah
[21:41] <bdmurray> an example of this can be found with ubuntu-bug storage
[21:41] <xteejx> joaopinto, in all seriousness though, we want "dumb" users to start using Ubuntu and come from major OS's i.e. Windows, Mac, etc., so I think we need to be careful how we go about it
[21:41] <micahg> is  an option for minimal and complete report from apport possible for every package?
[21:41] <joaopinto> xteejx, we don't want dumb bug reports, regardless of the users type
[21:42] <xteejx> joaopinto, i meant instruction-wise, not incomplete reports ;)
[21:42] <xteejx> "Bug Reporting for Dumbasses" click here > www.google.com
[21:43] <xteejx> I think that should cover everything...
[21:43] <Flare183> xteejx: :/ I doubt it.
[21:44] <xteejx> Flare183: So do I, but it's gotta be worth a try, if not a good laugh :)
[21:56] <xteejx> there are quite a few resume/suspend bugs :O
[22:10] <xteejx> anyone around?
[22:12] <xteejx> bug 119660, I'm stumped, I don't use workstations/servers so I really don't know how to triage this one, there are no set procedures for it afaik, would someone mind having a look or maybe have a go at triaging it please, its really old and appears to have fallen through quite a few releases ... four
[22:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 119660 in autofs "Autofs should be reloaded when state of network interface changes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/119660
[23:13] <rastersoft> Hi all:
[23:13] <BUGabundo> hey rastersoft
[23:14] <rastersoft> Hi BUGabundo
[23:15] <rastersoft> I want to report a bug for the update-manager, but not sure how to do it. In Ubuntu home page says to use the menu option, but update-manager doesn't have it... :(
[23:15] <BUGabundo> rastersoft: open a console
[23:15] <BUGabundo> and type
[23:16] <BUGabundo> ubuntu-bug update-manager-gtk
[23:16] <rastersoft> fine, thanks. "update-manager-gtk" was the problem.
[23:16] <BUGabundo> sorry?
[23:17] <rastersoft> I wanted to use that, but the problem was that I wasn't sure about the program name (I knew it had something after, in this case "gtk")
[23:17] <rastersoft> ops... seems to not work
[23:19] <rastersoft> Ok, it was "update-manager" only... but before it didn't work
[23:20] <rastersoft> anyway, there's another problem: the bug is with current stable version, and I already upgraded to 9.10 beta1
[23:20] <BUGabundo> so,  state that on the bug
[23:21] <rastersoft> ok, I'll do
[23:21] <rastersoft> Thanks
[23:39] <xteejx> BUGabundo, are you around?
[23:39] <BUGabundo> I'm always around
[23:39] <xteejx> hehe
[23:39] <BUGabundo> specially if I'm rolling down the moutain
[23:40] <BUGabundo> :p
[23:40] <xteejx> would you mind taking a look at a bug for me please?
[23:40] <xteejx> LOL
[23:40] <xteejx> bug 119660 - i'm confused.com :(
[23:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 119660 in autofs "Autofs should be reloaded when state of network interface changes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/119660
[23:41]  * BUGabundo looks
[23:41] <xteejx> :D
[23:41] <joaopinto> BUGabundo is an autofs pro
[23:42] <BUGabundo> no I'm not
[23:42] <xteejx> damn :( lol
[23:42] <BUGabundo> a dapper bug?
[23:42] <BUGabundo> u are joking
[23:42] <xteejx> ben hall (benjamin-hall: 0)              wrote             on 2009-07-01:                                                              #10                                                  This is still a problem for the LTS (Hardy). The workstations I'm installing on need to be relatively stable and undergo major updates rarely, so if I can avoid it non LTS installs I will.
[23:43] <xteejx> and 9.04 - its an ongoing problem
[23:43] <BUGabundo> :(
[23:43] <BUGabundo> at least should be set to LOW
[23:43] <BUGabundo> not many users affected by it
[23:43] <BUGabundo> not will it be soon fixed, as it seems
[23:44] <xteejx> huh?
[23:45] <xteejx> i've set Low, but not sure how to triage it, i've never used autofs
[23:45] <xteejx> i'll ask brian tomorrow if he's around :)
[23:47] <BUGabundo> ok
[23:51] <nikolam> I would like to ask a questioin or two about new "wiki way" of filing a bug reports.
[23:52] <nikolam> Before, there was a button on launchpad taht would let users that are logged in on launchpad to put a bug report
[23:52] <nikolam> now user is required to go to the wiki
[23:52] <nikolam> ok. First reaction of the user is: Launchpad bug reporting does not work.
[23:53] <nikolam> So I am suggesting.. If it is intended to FORCE user to read wiki page about bug reporting..
[23:53] <nikolam> then why should we force hinm to read that page every time he wants to file a bug?
[23:54] <nikolam> Shouldn`t those buttons that links to filing a bug on launchpad, be working on launchpad itself?
[23:55] <nikolam> Maybe some additional info about bug reporting / bug reporting types classification should be there on launchpad bug reporing page?
[23:55] <xteejx> apport hook for xscreensaver - is this karmic only?
[23:55] <nikolam> so user/reporter can choose a button that is about its bug report.
[23:55] <nikolam> what do you think?
[23:56] <nikolam> OR launchpad could remember what user have read wiki about bug reporing already
[23:56] <nikolam> joaopinto, what do you think?
[23:57] <joaopinto> nikolam, users don't need to go to launchpad to report bugs, that is you which are used to the previous process
[23:57] <joaopinto> as for the wiki, they just need to read it once, the first time
[23:58] <nikolam> my bug reporting process is> find package on launchpad > click on bugs page for that package > find similar bug reports > file a bug on the page FOR that package
[23:59] <joaopinto> nikolam, so just change it to: ubuntu-bug package-name
[23:59] <hggdh> you can still search LP. Nevertheless, if it is apport filling a bug, there is a good chance apport will find if it is a duplicate or not
[23:59] <nikolam> and if package-name does not exist.. we should have separate button on launchpad for that


[06:11] <highvoltage> meh
[06:11] <LaserJock> highvoltage!
[06:11] <LaserJock> hi
[06:12] <highvoltage> hi LaserJock
[06:12] <LaserJock> what's up?
[06:12] <highvoltage> still waking up :)
[06:12] <highvoltage> reading through the wiki changes and LP notifications
[06:12] <highvoltage> it seems like the easiest way to keep up atm.
[06:13] <LaserJock> ah, yes
[06:13] <LaserJock> I'm doing the same
[06:13] <LaserJock> although my email situation is pretty bad
[06:13] <highvoltage> mine too, not because of technical problems, but with overflow of email
[06:14] <LaserJock> until an LP admin switches my @ubuntu.com redirect I'm getting mail at 2 different accounts
[06:14] <LaserJock> and right now none of it's filtered
[06:14] <highvoltage> each e-mail has a 5-10 minute task assosiated with it, and with deadlines looming it's not top priority atm.
[06:14] <highvoltage> ah I see :/
[06:14] <highvoltage> I stopped filreting LP and the wiki, otherwise I'd never read them :)
[07:05] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: tell jono http://xkcd.com/c181.html
[07:05] <edubuntugirl> Righto, highvoltage!
[07:51] <mcksean> exit
[09:01] <willvdl> morning
[09:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> gday
[09:03] <highvoltage> morning willvdl and Kamping_Kaiser
[09:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> evening highvoltage
[09:03] <willvdl> hey, didn't see you there :)
[09:07] <highvoltage> I was sitting in the corner.
[09:07] <highvoltage> well, more like, curled up in the fetal position.
[09:08] <highvoltage> so I can understand that you didn't see me :)
[09:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[09:10] <kwak> hi everybody. how do i do a dual boot beside my k12ltsp 5
[09:10] <kwak> i will install edubuntu
[09:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> the cd lets you dual boot
[09:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> *install cd
[09:11] <kwak> the edubuntu install CD right?
[09:11] <kwak> ok.
[09:11] <highvoltage> yes, it does.
[09:11] <highvoltage> are you using the livecd or alternate cd?
[09:11] <kwak> ok will try now
[09:12] <kwak> the alternate CD i guess
[09:12] <highvoltage> ok, it will ask you if you want to erase the entire disk, or shrink your current partition, or do custom partition
[09:12] <highvoltage> you can choose the shrink option and it will do all the hard work for you.
[09:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> it defaults to shrinking (ie dual boot)
[09:13] <kwak> ok
[09:16] <kwak> ok i have three options for installation
[09:16] <kwak> 1. install to the hard disk
[09:16] <kwak> 2. install a workstation
[09:16] <kwak> 3. install a comand-line system
[09:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> 1 (iirc)
[09:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> for the terminal server
[09:18] <kwak> it's "scanning CD-ROM" now
[09:19] <kwak> i have 2 GB NICs, both broadcom i think, which one is for terminal server, eth0 or 1
[09:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> either, as long as you dont care
[09:20] <kwak> 1 NIC will have this network 192.168.0 (TS), 192.168.1., local lan
[09:20] <kwak> the other
[09:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> does it matter to you which nic is on which network?
[09:22] <kwak> well, not really. :)
[09:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> then it doesnt matter to the server :)
[09:22] <kwak> well i think my question was wrong.
[09:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> (theres probably a rule of thumb, but i dont know one)
[09:22] <kwak> since it's both broadcom, i have to figure out which is which.
[09:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> run 'lspci' in a terminal
[09:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> eth0 is usualy the first one on the pci bus
[09:23] <kwak> noted
[09:24] <kwak> im on the partition screen now, in K12ltsp i set it as LVM. now it sees it as sda and sdb
[09:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont know anything about lvm, so i cant help there
[09:25] <kwak> o i guess not LVM
[09:34] <willvdl> cbx33 woot
[09:35] <cbx33> hey willvdl
[09:35] <willvdl> cbx33, do you use smart boards at all?
[09:35] <cbx33> yes, but not "Smart" boards
[09:35] <cbx33> which is a bugger
[09:35] <cbx33> I saw something about developing drivers and stuff
[09:36] <cbx33> but they won't work on our hitachi cambridge boards
[09:36] <willvdl> http://www.smarttech.com/support/software/linux.asp
[09:36] <willvdl> yeah been talking to some local partners about it
[09:36] <willvdl> want to get some NEPAD guys playing with it to see haw far it can go
[09:37] <willvdl> are the hitachi boards nice?
[09:37] <cbx33> yes
[09:37] <cbx33> we really like them
[09:37] <willvdl> and cheaper no doubt
[09:37] <cbx33> they are a lot cheaper too
[09:37] <cbx33> ;)
[09:37] <willvdl> rear projection?
[09:38] <willvdl> do the hitachi's not need projectors?
[09:38] <willvdl> urk ahead ofmyself. must be the decaff they jsut gave me
[09:39] <cbx33> no they need projectors
[09:39] <cbx33> but they work pretty good
[09:41] <kwak> Kamping_Kaiser: i need your advise on partition, i will shrink / so that if in case im satisfied with edubuntu better than k12 i will totally erase k12. is this possible.
[09:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> kwak, if your using LVM it may not be so easy to shrink them
[09:42] <willvdl> cbx33, do you use tablets or slates as well?
[09:42] <kwak> i mean, will it affect the files in /. i checked it, im not using LVM. my /home is solely sdb1
[09:42] <kwak> i have 3 partitions on sda /boot, swap, /
[09:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, it wont affect those files then.
[09:43] <cbx33> willvdl: no, just the pc
[09:43] <kwak> i chose resize the partition, and it says it's not possible to resize it.
[09:44] <willvdl> looking at the whole smart product options. looks kinda nice. they can connect all kinds of devices to the boards etc. (synchroneyes etc.)
[09:44] <willvdl> I'm hoping the same is possible on linux
[09:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> kwak, does it give a reason?
[09:45] <kwak> the same is true with other partitions: got this error "The resize operation is impossible: beucase of an unknown reason it is impossible to resize this partition"
[09:45] <kwak> that's because
[09:45] <cbx33> willvdl: yeh.....I'd say the smarts are what is in use in the most cases
[09:45] <cbx33> if I was clever I could write the driver for a hitachi board ;)
[09:45] <cbx33> wouldn't take much
[09:45] <cbx33> surely it's just a mouse driver really
[09:45] <cbx33> with pressure as well
[09:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> kwak, hm. i havent tried it before, so i'm not sure what could be going on. perhaps someone else here has some ideas
[09:47] <willvdl> well exactly.
[09:48] <willvdl> the trick comes in with the value add stuff like remote desktops, whiteboard sharing etc.
[09:49] <cbx33> yeh
[09:49] <cbx33> which is a more advanced step
[09:49] <cbx33> I wonder who would know about writing a usb HID driver?
[09:50] <cbx33> maybe I'll investigate into that
[09:51] <willvdl> can't be too hard to modify like a usb mouse driver or something
[09:53] <cbx33> well that's what I thought
[09:53] <cbx33> would need to handle calibration
[09:53] <cbx33> although surely that would just be an offset to an operating range
[09:53] <cbx33> not sure it it handles keystone errors?
[09:54] <willvdl> hopefully we can get smart's software...
[09:55] <cbx33> that'd be cool
[09:55] <willvdl> it would make so much sense for them to open their software
[09:55] <willvdl> it's free anyway
[09:55] <cbx33> yeh
[10:02] <highvoltage> willvdl: you need to do some advocacy there ;)
[10:03] <willvdl> highvoltage, dude, no doubt. I'm getting an intro to their developers soon.
[10:19] <cbx33> hmm....
[10:19] <cbx33> It may be that this board already has a driver ;)
[10:19] <cbx33> the standard usbhid maywork
[10:19] <cbx33> I'll chav a board at lunch and try it out
[10:27] <kwak> ok
[10:27] <kwak> thanks
[10:42] <cbx33> join #ejabberd
[10:42] <cbx33> rats
[10:50] <kwak> r u still there Kamping_Kaiser?
[10:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> kwak, i'm here
[10:53] <kwak> im thinking of just installing edubuntu on top of k12, but preserving /home which is on a separate partition.
[10:53] <kwak> i have at least almost 200 students, they don't have much files in there, but i have to create their usernames again right?
[10:54] <kwak> i just restarted k12 and it hanged again
[10:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes, you have to recreate the users. if the usernames are the same as their home dirs, you can script that though
[10:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> and save /etc/[shadow,passwd]  - you can sed in the old passwords if your keen as well
[10:56] <kwak> the passwords will be easy, but if there's a way not to redo the individual usernames, that might be better
[10:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> you can recreate the usernames from tehir home dirs - or do you call users different to homes?
[10:59] <kwak> their usernames and homes are the same
[11:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> then you can use a for loop to script it.
[11:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> back in 30 min though :|
[11:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> brb
[11:01] <kwak> k
[11:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> kwak, back
[11:20] <cbx33> anyone got experience with ejabberd
[11:21] <kwak> ok.
[11:21] <highvoltage> I've installed it a few times and it just worked, so I'm not an expert.
[11:22] <highvoltage> iirc, all I needed to do was change the address in the config file so that it would listen on the right ip address, as apposed to localhost
[11:35] <cbx33> yeh it's working now
[11:35] <cbx33> except I can't get admin access through gaim
[11:35] <cbx33> which sux a little
[01:33] <cbx33> why is this not working
[01:33] <cbx33> grrr
[01:34] <cbx33> mplayer codecs
[01:43] <cbx33> ive installed them into the directories but mp3's still dn;t play
[01:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> cbx33, whats up?
[01:44] <cbx33> i can't get the codecs to work for mplayer
[01:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> so apt-get mplayer, and downloaded the tar from mplayers home?
[01:45] <cbx33> yeh i did that
[01:45] <cbx33> where do I untar them
[01:45] <cbx33> I tried all three locations and it still doesn't work
[01:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> just untar to ~/stuff
[01:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> the readme tells where to mv them to, iirc /usr/local/codecs
[01:46] <cbx33> ysh I tried all those locations it didn't work
[01:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> have you restarted all mplayers?
[01:46] <cbx33> yes
[01:46] <cbx33> neither have I
[02:52] <cbx33> guys is there a JRE plugin for firefox in ubutnu on amd64?
[02:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sun, perhaps the gnu java...? (??)
[02:53] <cbx33> hmmm can't find anything
[02:53] <cbx33> there is a sun-java5-plugin pacakge
[02:53] <cbx33> but it's not available here
[02:54] <cbx33> Package sun-java5-plugin is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[03:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> got multiverse?
[03:04] <cbx33> i sorted it
[03:05] <cbx33> it's not present on amd 64
[03:05] <cbx33> liek a lot of stuff
[03:08] <jsgotangco> well
[03:08] <jsgotangco> :)
[03:09] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:09] <jsgotangco> this is funny
[03:09] <jsgotangco> i use gizmo
[03:09] <jsgotangco> it works wayy wayyy better in linux than in windows
[03:13] <cbx33> pete savage : I was #1 on google yesterday
[03:13] <cbx33> darn it I've slipped to 2 now
[03:13] <cbx33> heheh
[03:14] <cbx33> gizmo
[03:14] <cbx33> ahhh voip
[03:14] <jsgotangco> yep
[03:14] <jsgotangco> well i have a call-in number
[03:38] <Gatekeeper> hi
[03:38] <Gatekeeper> what the difernt between ubuntu und edubuntu ???
[03:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> edubuntu has a more 'children' oriented pacackages
[03:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> and a default instlal installs an LTSP server
[03:42] <Gatekeeper> right i try apt-get install joe
[03:42] <Gatekeeper> package not found
[03:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> its in universe
[03:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> you will have to enable the repository
[03:43] <Gatekeeper> where
[03:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> system -> admin -> software properties
[03:46] <Gatekeeper> okay thx
[03:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> np
[04:15] <stgraber> RichEd: good morning
[04:17] <jsgotangco> hi
[04:18] <RichEd> gi
[04:18] <RichEd> hi guys
[04:18] <RichEd> just getting my day under way ... time to get ready for brekkie & the bus ...
[04:18] <jsgotangco> ?
[04:19] <jsgotangco> oh you need to take a bus to go to the place
[04:19] <jsgotangco> jeezz
[04:19] <jsgotangco> wow
[04:19] <jsgotangco> Nuffing: hey there
[04:19] <Nuffing> hi, just connecting up, I am on my way out but will bbl (in a few hours)
[04:20] <jsgotangco> hi, bye!
[04:20] <Nuffing> see ya
[04:21] <RichEd> hi nuffing ... are you having trouble installing edubuntu ?
[04:23] <stgraber> RichEd: I read the wiki page about Student Control Panel and I just had a question, what happens if we have two teachers ? (for example for the info messages when a student ask a question)
[04:23] <RichEd> good point stgraber : i will ask oliver
[04:23] <stgraber> that's more a technical question, but it could be interesting to handle having two teachers
[04:26] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:34] <stgraber> hi
[05:09] <aze> hi all
[05:23] <cbx33> hey all
[05:23] <stgraber> hi
[07:08] <stgraber> Will the Student Control Panel BOF (11-12) be on VOIP ?
[07:13] <juliux> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cmsj/voip/2006-11-08.html
[07:13] <juliux> stgraber, there you can see the timetable
[07:14] <stgraber> I know, but 11-12 isn't on it
[07:14] <stgraber> (not yet)
[07:15] <stgraber> And I don't know if that will be like yesterday where there was only some drafting and then nothing on VOIP
[07:15] <Burgwork> stgraber: the schedule for the next day is only made up the night before
[07:29] <cbx33> stgraber, I'd be interested in finding that out
[07:29] <cbx33> ogra, can you shed any light?
[07:34] <ogra> cbx33, there are no discussion sessions any more if a spec is in drafting
[07:34] <edubuntugirl> ogra: by the way, highvoltage told me to tell you 'glad to see that the 2nd cd as repo is kind of panning out :)' 1 day, 12 hours, 48 minutes and 40 seconds ago (on Tue Nov  7 07:45:08 2006)
[07:34] <cbx33> ogra, that's what I thought
[07:34] <ogra> edubuntugirl, tell highvoltage i'm glad as well :)
[07:34] <edubuntugirl> Righto, ogra!
[07:35] <Burgwork> ok, our bot rocks
[07:35] <cbx33> indeed
[07:37] <cbx33> oooh
[07:37] <cbx33> ogra, http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=155
[07:37] <cbx33> see comment ;)
[07:39] <ogra> nice ! :)
[07:39] <cbx33> I'm hoping to get some more great feedback on that
[07:39] <cbx33> I've never done anything like that before
[07:40] <cbx33> but boy would it be useful to us
[07:41] <cbx33> right I'm off, back later
[07:51] <sbalneav> morning LaserJock
[07:53] <LaserJock> hi Scotty!
[08:08] <Nuffing> edubuntugirl, tell RichEd Hi, and stop running away every time I log on :P
[08:08] <edubuntugirl> Righto, Nuffing!
[08:08] <Nuffing> edubuntugirl, thanks
[08:08] <edubuntugirl> no worries, Nuffing
[08:08] <LaserJock> haha
[08:09] <LaserJock> how's it going Nuffing?
[08:14] <stgraber> ogra: I read the wiki about StudentControlPanelSpec this afternoon, I have 1 suggestion and 1 question
[08:15] <stgraber> suggestion : A very often used functionnality here on Windows is to shutdown all the computers (actually we can only disconnect with the SCP)
[08:15] <stgraber> question : What happens if we have two teachers ? (about the "ask a question" thing, will they both receive the message ?)
[09:01] <LaserJock> hi RichEd
[09:01] <Burgwork> hey RichEd
[09:03] <bimberi> g'day RichEd
[09:05] <juliux> hi RichEd
[09:09] <LaserJock> sbalneav: quick question if you're here, how is the ltsp-management-gui different from SCP?
[09:10] <LaserJock> sbalneav: nvm
[09:10] <sbalneav> :)
[09:11] <LaserJock> I hate not being there not that I was there for a little bit
[09:11] <LaserJock> s/not/now/
[09:12] <RichEd> hi LaserJock Burgwork bimberi juliux ...
[09:13] <edubuntugirl> RichEd: by the way, Nuffing told me to tell you 'Hi, and stop running away every time I log on :P' 1 hours, 4 minutes and 42 seconds ago (on Wed Nov  8 21:07:41 2006)
[09:13] <LaserJock> hehe
[09:14] <RichEd> *nagged
[09:14] <RichEd> brb
[09:14] <LaserJock> haha
[09:24] <RichEd> LaserJock: how do I give the electronic nag a nag to send back to the real world one ?
[09:25] <RichEd> and will edubuntugirl pipe up if Nuffing changes her away status, or only on rejoin ?
[09:25] <LaserJock> do: edubuntugirl, tell <user> <message>
[09:25] <LaserJock> RichEd: I think it might only do it if the person says something
[09:26] <LaserJock> but I'm not really sure
[09:27] <RichEd> edubuntugirl, tell Nuffing 'I was online waiting for you this morning (your evening) when you signed on and you spoke to the channel and then ingored me and ran away ... so brpthhhhhhhh !'
[09:27] <edubuntugirl> Righto, RichEd!
[09:27] <RichEd> thanks edubuntugirl
[09:28] <LaserJock> haha
[09:28] <LaserJock> ogra: are you planning on changing user/group management in Feisty?
[10:03] <HedgeMage> RichEd: still about?
[10:04] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: by the way, ogra told me to tell you 'i'm glad as well :)' 2 hours, 29 minutes and 49 seconds ago (on Wed Nov  8 20:34:21 2006)
[10:04] <highvoltage> :)
[10:05] <highvoltage> RichEd: edubuntugirl will tell nuffing when she says something again
[10:05] <highvoltage> LaserJock: edubuntugirl is a she, not an it :)
[10:05] <highvoltage> goodnight HedgeMage
[10:05] <LaserJock> highvoltage: whatever
[10:05] <highvoltage> and hello pygi!
[10:05] <highvoltage> :)
[10:05] <highvoltage> goodnight LaserJock
[10:05] <LaserJock> highvoltage: that's what I get for trying to be politically correct ;-)
[10:05] <pygi> hey highvoltage
[10:06] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: going to bed?
[10:06] <pygi> hey HedgeMage
[10:06] <HedgeMage> hi pygi
[10:06] <highvoltage> heh. well, I would've made a stab at Americans, but the Americans' ratings have gone up a little with me so I'll leave it :)
[10:06] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: yep
[10:06] <HedgeMage> lol
[10:06] <HedgeMage> sweet dreams highvoltage
[10:06] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: it's 11pm and I've been working since 5am
[10:07] <HedgeMage> awww
[10:07] <highvoltage> thanks. goodnight!
[10:07] <highvoltage> it's cool though, been super productive and I love it... keep an eye on slashdot next week ;)
[10:07] <pygi> highvoltage: if I manage to convince my laptop to connect to internet, you'll get libburn-enabled brasero
[10:07] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: good for you!
[10:09] <Nuffing> hello
[10:09] <edubuntugirl> Nuffing: by the way, RichEd told me to tell you ''I was online waiting for you this morning (your evening) when you signed on and you spoke to the channel and then ingored me and ran away ... so brpthhhhhhhh !'' 42 minutes and 1 seconds ago (on Wed Nov  8 22:26:40 2006)
[10:09] <Nuffing> Thanks edubuntugirl
[10:09] <Nuffing> nagging indeed *pout*
[10:09] <Nuffing> ;)
[10:12] <LaserJock> haha
[10:12] <mario_> I'm back
[10:12] <mario_> now lets see what I can do with a package :)
[10:14] <mario_> ergh, why wont it sign the package!!!@#!
[10:15] <LaserJock> mario_: are you using -k<keyid>?
[10:15] <mario_> LaserJock, nah, using nothing, it defaults to my key
[10:15] <LaserJock> ok
[10:16] <LaserJock> and you have the right name and email address in debian/changelog?
[10:16] <mario_> ofcourse
[10:21] <mario_> LaserJock, dunno what's happening, I'm being confused as always:)
[10:23] <mario_> LaserJock, any sensful idea? :)
[10:24] <LaserJock> can you sign other things?
[10:26] <mario_> didn't try really, but it would help if this debsign thingy was a bit more verbose :)
[10:29] <mario_> brb in a sec
[10:30] <pygi> Laser:
[10:30] <pygi> debsign: gpg error occurred!  Aborting....
[10:30] <pygi> debuild: fatal error at line 1151:
[10:30] <pygi> running debsign failed
[10:30] <LaserJock> hmm :/
[10:30] <pygi> it still creates the files!!!
[10:31] <pygi> right
[10:46] <Nuffing> gah
[12:08] <ace> ping ogra
[12:09] <pygi> ace: I dont think ogra is here now :)
[12:09] <ace> pygi: ah okay
[12:10] <ace> pygi: why ?
[12:10] <pygi> ace: may anyone else help you? :)
[12:10] <ace> pygi: I just wanted some reassurance on edgy
[12:10] <ogra> i am here but way to busy finishing specs to answer questions ... probably on the weekend
[12:10] <ogra> mail me ...
[12:10] <pygi> ace: me and others can probably answer question ^_^
[12:10] <pygi> or as ogra said, mail :P
[12:10] <ace> ogra: okay good luck, I'll mail you!!!
[12:11] <ace> pygi: thanks
[12:11] <ace> pygi: did you have so many problems with edgy as I had ?
[12:11] <ace> pygi: or am i some freak of nature ?
[12:11] <pygi> ace: I dont know how much problems you had :)
[12:11] <LaserJock> I didn't have any problems, but certainly some people have
[12:12] <ace> pygi: just check the bug reports on launchpad for reported by ace at suares point an
[12:12] <ace> LaserJock: did those problems get solved or are there still issues ?
[12:13] <ace> I had OO crash on me twice since clean install of edgy - hard crash, no way out but reboot!
[12:13] <LaserJock> hmm, haven't heard of that one
[12:14] <ace> I can't use the right square bracket, but before, I couldn't use the 'p' !
[12:14] <ace> I had almost no problems with dapper ! I was quite happy.
[12:14] <ace> I upgraded to RC2 and one of my 3 screens went black (with the i810 driver).
[12:15] <ace> Then that wasn't fixed. no one seemd to know what to do, so I did a clean install
[12:15] <ace> the install couldn't mount my reiserfs /home whihc was part of a mdadm raid1 array
[12:15] <ace> I didn't know what I saw
[12:15] <ace> I was baffled
[12:16] <ace> I needed to install with a home on the root partition, install mdadm and from then on it worked fine.
[12:16] <ace> anyway
[12:16] <ace> Of course I am still very happy with ubuntu and gnu/linux in general
[12:16] <ace> but the last week have been the closest to 'windows' experience I have been in a couple of years
[12:17] <LaserJock> yeah, edgy's been somewhat odd