[08:12] <KrisWood> my street's power went out and when it came back up my ubuntu box wasn't able to start firestarter anymore >.< it says to check if my internet connection is running but if it wasn't I'd not be online right now would I? meanwhile none of my other PCs are able to get on the net since the firewall won't start :(
[08:12] <toulouse> well, ima let yall chill, im probably gonna take that long nap that most of us take at night
[08:12] <KrisWood> does anyone here use firestarter and/or know how to trouble shoot this?
[08:12] <SubMOA> hello, I'm trying to change the permission on a file and I'm a bit confused
[08:12] <levander> toulouse: in GNOME, there's a little volume icon by the clock, you right click on the volume icon to get to those settings I think
[08:13] <dug> anyone know how to install web cam drivers ?
[08:13] <KrisWood> SubMOA: change permission to do what?
[08:13] <SubMOA> I typed "sudo chown -R username:xxxx /home/xxxx/.config/
[08:13] <SubMOA> and it says it's an invalid username
[08:13] <SubMOA> it's for that beryl thing
[08:13] <KrisWood> you can't have : in a username
[08:13] <SubMOA> hmm
[08:13] <Bakefy> I don't think my smb.conf is correct
[08:13] <toulouse> levander: i just figured out that you probably CAN change the sound server in gnome too, but i found a howto on the net using kde, so i went over to kde
[08:13] <arrenlex> SubMOA: Syntax for that is user:group
[08:13] <levander> KrisWood: when the power went out, was your computer up and running?
[08:13] <juanchito2006> levander: the propietary ati driver
[08:13] <Bakefy> guest account = nobody
[08:13] <PrimeHex> levander: ok, found an easier way, taskset -p -c (procnumber starting at 0) pid
[08:13] <SubMOA> so it will say "...-R user:xxxx"
[08:14] <KrisWood> levander: yes all was well but when it came back up firestarter wouldn't start
[08:14] <arrenlex> SubMOA: "chown -R xxxx:xxxx /home/xxxx/.config" is what you're trying to do, I think.
[08:14] <levander> toulouse: KDE has more applications, but I think GNOME applications look just a little nicer, especially the menus
[08:14] <PrimeHex> levander: agreed
[08:14] <toulouse> hey guys, is OSS better than ALSA?
[08:14] <arrenlex> toulouse: No?
[08:14] <toulouse> or the other way
[08:14] <toulouse> i like gnome better
[08:14] <toulouse> mucho better
[08:14] <SubMOA> so, say my name is "sub" it would be "sudo chown -R sub:sub /home/sub/.config"
[08:14] <judgen> toulouse: alsa is the replacement for OSS
[08:14] <SubMOA> ?
[08:14] <PrimeHex> most sane people do
[08:14] <PrimeHex> :)
[08:14] <PrimeHex> ;)
[08:14] <arrenlex> toulouse: OSS:ALSA::Model T:Corvette
[08:14] <toulouse> so alsa is better right?
[08:14] <toulouse> ok
[08:15] <toulouse> LOL :)
[08:15] <levander> KrisWood: check /var/log/syslog, /var/log/messages, maybe go down to single user mode and fsck -A the partition firestarter is installed on
[08:15] <KrisWood> I've never had probs with alsa
[08:15] <PrimeHex> arrenlex: Unicycle:2006 Mellenium Yellow Corvette Z06
[08:15] <arrenlex> SubMOA: Yes, that will work.
[08:15] <PrimeHex> although unicycles are effing sweet
[08:15] <KrisWood> levander: there's only one partition
[08:15] <toulouse> ijust found you can switch xmms's sound server that it listens on
[08:15] <KrisWood> I'll check syslog
[08:15] <erpo> What tools are available for debugging bash scripts?
[08:15] <levander> KrisWood: well, fsck -A that one
[08:15] <judgen> i prefer KDE anyday over gnome =)
[08:15] <petriborg> hey can people please tell me, is edgy officially using the nvidia-glx 8776 drivers only?
[08:15] <levander> KrisWood: maybe firestarter has it's own log in /var/log?
[08:15] <arrenlex> erpo: Run them as "bash -x <script>" for complete debugging output.
[08:15] <emacla> Just a simple question, wich is best. KDE or Gnome?
[08:16] <clayg> anyone know of a site that offers a sort of hub/portal of your pop3 mail accounts? accessible through the web?
[08:16] <levander> petriborg: it's more tedious to install the older drivers, but you can install them
[08:16] <petriborg> emacla: har flame on
[08:16] <arrenlex> !best | emacla
[08:16] <ubotu> emacla: Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[08:16] <violot> emacla: Ohhhhh, get ready for a big flame war :P
[08:16] <Trentster> what is the difference betweeen an arch type -386 and an arch type-generic, and how can i convert and tell my system to use generic or a specific arch type every time for updates etc?
[08:16] <SubMOA> WOO HOO, it appears to have worked
[08:16] <erpo> arrenlex: Thank you.
[08:16] <violot> emacla, but I prefer Gnome
[08:16] <SubMOA> thank you guys so much, i truly appreciate it
[08:16] <andre> hello
[08:16] <arrenlex> KDE is life.
[08:16] <levander> emacla: My basic differentiation between the two is above.
[08:16] <levander> KDE has an ugly start menu, just like Windows.
[08:17] <SubMOA> so the usergroup and the username are the same?
[08:17] <neurotech> missing_: Beryl is running FINE!
[08:17] <neurotech> ohhhh yeah
[08:17] <SubMOA> or rather, can you give me a time when they would be different
[08:17] <arrenlex> Trentster: 386 is basically pre-pentium1 hardware. generic is built to handle all hardware. You want to install the generic kernel. You do this by installing the linux-kernel-generic package and then booting into it in grub.
[08:17] <emacla> I'm using Ubuntu with Gnome for the moment, but i would like to tes Kubuntu or Open Suse.
[08:17] <PrimeHex> neurotech: good job, 0.1.4 right?
[08:17] <petriborg> levander: i don't want to install the older one in fact i want the newest one i can get, dapper only had 8776 so i am considering upgrading to edgy, so i went and checked the livecd i had on hand even after a repository update it says 8776 is what is current
[08:17] <erpo> arrenlex: A script on my machine fails every time. Then when I run it with bash -x, it works. WTF?
[08:17] <KrisWood> oh bother, it's using an older version of my dhcp.conf file
[08:17] <alexcamilo> i like gnome's clean and simple feel. but kde feels nice and shiny. i dunno. i like em bolth.
[08:17] <neurotech> 0.1.1 PrimeHex! :(
[08:17] <arrenlex> SubMOA: It depends what you're trying to do.
[08:17] <KrisWood> and I don't remember the right config
[08:17] <violot> emacla, Open SuSE is a nice distro
[08:17] <KrisWood> anyone know how to set up dhcp.conf?
[08:17] <arrenlex> erpo: Run it with "bash".
[08:17] <PrimeHex> neurotech: bummer, update that asap, 0.1.4 has SNOW PRE INSTALLED!
[08:18] <neurotech> Snow?
[08:18] <KrisWood> I mean dhcpd.conf
[08:18] <juanchito2006> Hello, after installing the ati driver and rebooting, the monitor gets out of sync. How do I fix this?
[08:18] <levander> petriborg: it's probably a good idea to upgrade to edgy, but make sure you do it when you have time to handle problems, upgrading to edgy can be a bitch, and make sure to use update-manager like it says in the wiki
[08:18] <arrenlex> erpo: Likely your script uses a bashism, but specifices #!/bin/sh as its shebang line.
[08:18] <andre> opensuse i had problemes with sound
[08:18] <PrimeHex> neurotech: lemme screenshot it for ya
[08:18] <arrenlex> erpo: Ergo, it is being run by dash, the default ubuntu shell, which can't handle the bashisms and fails.
[08:18] <SubMOA> arrenlex, not trying to do any specifically as of now, just curious as to the differences
[08:18] <neurotech> k
[08:18] <arrenlex> erpo: The solution is to change the top line to read #!/bin/bash
[08:18] <erpo> arrenlex: GAH!
[08:18] <Trentster> arrenlex, thanks, when I innitially installed edgy it was generic and for some reason after the 1st update it installed -386, my platform is a "core 2" so im sure I could use an even more specific tailored arch for my platform...could you guide me in this respect?
[08:18] <erpo> arrenlex: Thank you.
[08:18] <violot> Open SuSE 64 bit was slower than Ubuntu 64 bit, so that's why I switched to Ubuntu after SuSE 10.1 came out after being with SuSE since 9.1
[08:19] <PrimeHex> wtf then he leaves?
[08:19] <erpo> arrenlex: Then why does echo $SHELL in dash print out /bin/bash?
[08:19] <Ashton_Ke> I stay away from 64 bit distros.
[08:19] <petriborg> levander: that is in fact why i'm going to just install off the CD - all my data is seperated out onto 3 other HDs :-) i can use it as a chance to switch to 32bit too since i'm sick of having a chroot for 64bit
[08:19] <arrenlex> Trentster: You want generic. It will suit you fine.
[08:19] <arrenlex> !generic | Trentster
[08:19] <levander> violot: noticeably slower?
[08:19] <ubotu> Trentster: Background to the decision to replace -686, k7 and -smp kernels with -generic can be found here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html (the -386 kernel is still available if needed)
[08:19] <violot> levander, yes!
[08:19] <PrimeHex> ah
[08:19] <PrimeHex> there youa re
[08:19] <Ashton_Ke> Seems the support (package/library wise) isn't anywhere close to x86
[08:19] <SubMOA> in any event, thank you all for you time.  Truly grateful here.  Happy New Year!
[08:19] <PrimeHex> neurotech: http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotho1.png
[08:19] <TooR4u> anyone works with gmailfs??
[08:19] <violot> levander: Dragging a selecting box with the mouse on the desktop lagged the computer!
[08:20] <toulouse> hey, i dont think there is a way to switchyour sound server while using gnome, but anyways, i got my sound workin :) cya later
[08:20] <violot> (on SuSE)
[08:20] <levander> petriborg: yeah, from what I udnerstand 64 bit isn't ready for prime time, hold out and see what they say about 64 bit feisty
[08:20] <neurotech> lol nice PrimeHex1 ;0
[08:20] <Ashton_Ke> The problem wasn't the distro.
[08:20] <KrisWood> Dec 26 23:13:45 localhost dhcpd: No subnet declaration for eth1
[08:20] <KrisWood> how do I fix this? >.<
[08:20] <Trentster> arrenlex, thanks..... where on my system is it configured to tell updates to pull 386 instead of generic and how can i revert and change it back permanantly?
[08:20] <violot> My 64 bit Ubuntu is the most stable machine I've used believe it or not.
[08:20] <PrimeHex> neurotech: :D i noticed I also cought part of my menu fading out
[08:20] <Ashton_Ke> It was just that few of the programs had 64 bit libraries.
[08:20] <violot> 64 bit Edgy.
[08:20] <petriborg> levander: the 64bit programs work excellent, what doesn't work so well is stuff like "wine" and other evil plugins from adobe etc
[08:21] <PrimeHex> Ashton_Ke: once you get the emulators and workaround set up (which can suck sometimes), it's wonderful
[08:21] <Ashton_Ke> Too much trouble.
[08:21] <PrimeHex> funny how 64 bit was the "next big thing" like 4 years ago, and it really hasn't gone too far
[08:21] <violot> Yeah, if you don't want WINE, 64 bit is great actually for me.
[08:21] <Ashton_Ke> A lot of "64 bit programs" were simply looking at 64 bit libraries.
[08:21] <Ashton_Ke> No more.
[08:21] <PrimeHex> Yea
[08:21] <levander> violot: that dragging problem lagging the computer sounds like some kind of problem with the video driver, and that you were using the CPU instead of the video card to do the drawing...
[08:21] <violot> Flash works though.
[08:21] <violot> I had my video drivers installed though.
[08:21] <Ashton_Ke> They did enough "64 bit" that it wouldn't crash, not enough to actually use more than, oh, 32 bits.
[08:21] <Ashton_Ke> :P
[08:21] <petriborg> violot: yeah i agree, even if you want wine it can be done - i did it
[08:21] <violot> And Twinview running.
[08:22] <violot> nVidia Twinview
[08:22] <levander> PrimeHex: why do you have to have emulators and "workaround" set up for 64 bit?
[08:22] <Ashton_Ke> A lot of programs aren't 64 bit yet.
[08:22] <Ashton_Ke> Like flash for Firefox.
[08:22] <petriborg> violot: yeah i had twinview working for me too it rocks :D
[08:22] <andre> violet did you have problems with sound with opensuse
[08:22] <violot> Twinview does rock :)
[08:22] <levander> violot: I just know that my Windows box does the exact same thing after a fresh reinstall, until I download and install the video drivers
[08:22] <PrimeHex> levander: because trying to pour 32 gallons of water into a 64 gallon container manages to mess up somehow, things don't fit right
[08:22] <violot> levander, oh, I haven't used 64 bit windows.
[08:22] <levander> Ashton_Ke: but, it's just wierd little programs around the edges? like flash?
[08:22] <violot> We got my machine OS-less
[08:22] <Ashton_Ke> I'm telling you, it was a problem with the libraries (or whatever the hell you guys call them, my brain is going out)
[08:23] <violot> No, it came with Free DOS
[08:23] <petriborg> 64bit windows is crap
[08:23] <Ashton_Ke> Levander, sadly not.
[08:23] <Ashton_Ke> A lot of programs simply aren't 64 bit compatible.
[08:23] <PrimeHex> Ashton_Ke: as does everybody's brain at 2:32 am
[08:23] <petriborg> violot - what version of nvidia-glx are using?
[08:23] <Ashton_Ke> You can force them to work, you just have to ensure they look at the right libraries.
[08:23] <levander> 64 bit doesn't really make anything any better though (except in specific cases) I'd just use 32 bit until 64 bit became just as easy
[08:23] <Ashton_Ke> Honestly, what do we call those things now?
[08:23] <arrenlex> erpo: what does "file /bin/sh" say?
[08:23] <PrimeHex> petriborg: i'm running vista final (leigt store bought copy), on my brand new core2duo x6800, and it's amazing
[08:23] <violot> petriborg, ummm
[08:24] <Ashton_Ke> Not worth the cost for me, tbh.
[08:24] <PrimeHex> not at all
[08:24] <cafuego> also not on topic
[08:24] <petriborg> primehex - 64bit vista may not suck i was using xp and it didn't work for much
[08:24] <levander> PrimeHex: this Ubuntu box I got hear is a C2D x6300 and I'm amazed with it.  x6800 would be crazy.
[08:24] <arrenlex> Under normal desktop use, you will not notice a performance benefit from 64-bit. It's only useful for special applications, like 4GB+ RAM, or rendering, or servers, etc.
[08:24] <violot> petriborg: 1.0-9629
[08:24] <KrisWood> ok fixed my problem, I just had to disable dhcp >.<
[08:24] <KrisWood> later all
[08:24] <Ashton_Ke> Rendering would be me, Maya FTW!
[08:24] <petriborg> violot - did you have to install other repositories to make that work or ?
[08:24] <violot> Yes, I believe so, one sec.
[08:24] <PrimeHex> levander: :D, isn't it amazing? I put edgy on there before i threw final on, and I had 1 million snowflakes running with 0 lag
[08:24] <Ashton_Ke> Then again, Maya's in Windows only, dunno if Wine would work too well....
[08:24] <PrimeHex> heh
[08:25] <violot> I'm using beta drivers if I remember correctly.
[08:25] <Ashton_Ke> brave man.
[08:25] <PrimeHex> heh
[08:25] <levander> petriborg: I know some people who ran Vista 64 Bit on their servers when it was in Beta because they said it ran better than 64 bit XP
[08:25] <petriborg> violot - so you did them manually?
[08:25] <violot> Ashton_Ke, :p
[08:25] <violot> I got the debs
[08:25] <arrenlex> Trentster: Just boot into the generic kernel and remove the 386 one.
[08:25] <Ashton_Ke> Experimental software: Because somebodies gotta jump on that grenade.
[08:25] <petriborg> levander - that wouldn't surprise me :-)
[08:25] <levander> PrimeHex: What is snowflakes? Is that a screensaver?
[08:25] <violot> deb http://nvidia.limitless.lupine.me.uk/ubuntu edgy stable
[08:25] <PrimeHex> petriborg: they really managed to not suck major cock with vista64bit
[08:25] <PrimeHex> levander: http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotho1.png
[08:25] <violot> deb http://nvidia.limitless.lupine.me.uk/ubuntu edgy stable - 64 bit nvidia drivers
[08:25] <violot> Beta
[08:25] <PrimeHex> levander: beryl plugin
[08:26] <violot> http://nvidia.limitless.lupine.me.uk/ - Here is his website
[08:26] <petriborg> violot - ok how does that work though when you have an update to the kernel?
[08:26] <toulouse> yay for beryl-it's the pimp sutff
[08:26] <violot> Actually, I don't know if it is 64 bit only
[08:26] <PrimeHex> toulouse: indeed
[08:26] <Ashton_Ke> I can probably handle it sans 64 bit, with my Geforce 7800GT.
[08:26] <Bakefy> PrimeHex: I must have some setting in windows that is making me have a password... I connected with my xbox just fine.  any ideas?
[08:26] <violot> petriborg, I don't remember XD
[08:26] <petriborg> violot - no it has 32bit too
[08:26] <petriborg> violot - :(
[08:26] <toulouse> PrimeHex: i love beryl, it makes my friends mad that they are on windows
[08:26] <violot> Yeah, that is what I though
[08:26] <levander> PrimeHex: ah, I see.  I'm waiting for feisty for Beryl...  I'll just wait and let Canonical do the work for me.
[08:26] <violot> Ummmm
[08:26] <PrimeHex> Ashton_Ke: you can't run 1 million snowflakes without more then 2processors
[08:26] <violot> I'm trying to remember
[08:26] <Ashton_Ke> I have 2 processors.
[08:26] <Ashton_Ke> :P
[08:26] <toulouse> beryl will be with feisty??
[08:27] <toulouse> i have hyperthreading
[08:27] <PrimeHex> Ashton_Ke: the x6800 box has brand new 8800's in sli
[08:27] <petriborg> does anyone know what the ubuntu kernel is being linked to for the nvidia-glx?
[08:27] <levander> PrimeHex: That's KDE in that screen shot?
[08:27] <Ashton_Ke> SLI is a joke, tbh.
[08:27] <PrimeHex> levander: that's gnome
[08:27] <levander> toulouse: Yeah, in feisty, there are third party repositories available to put Beryl on Edgy though.
[08:27] <petriborg> (this is important to me because i really don't feel like recompiling the linker to the nvidia binaries)
[08:27] <PrimeHex> Ashton_Ke: not when you feel like using 4 monitors :D
[08:27] <Ashton_Ke> From what I've heard, it's only really good for giant resolutions.
[08:27] <Ashton_Ke> Which... 4 monitors would be.
[08:27] <PrimeHex> Ashton_Ke: :D
[08:27] <PrimeHex> also, running it to my 60inch lcd is also nice
[08:27] <toulouse> hey may i reccomend the berylwiki? it's where i learned how to install beryl---worked 1st time, like a charm
[08:27] <Ashton_Ke> I saw somebody trying to sell a laptop with SLI.
[08:28] <PrimeHex> yea, berylwiki is very, very nice
[08:28] <Ashton_Ke> Sounds like a bad idea.
[08:28] <toulouse> btw, dont put beryl to your startup scripts until it works!
[08:28] <levander> PrimeHex: I see now, the theme you got makes the buttons on the window title bars look like KDE to me.
[08:28] <Ashton_Ke> Cook on your laptop while you wait!
[08:28] <PrimeHex> Ashton_Ke: sounds like a spermkiller
[08:28] <toulouse> i did that wrong
[08:28] <PrimeHex> levander: :D
[08:28] <gop> hey
[08:28] <toulouse> well, im going to bed guys
[08:28] <violot> petriborg, try going to #ubuntu-xgl and asking who owns http://nvidia.limitless.lupine.me.uk/
[08:28] <toulouse> good luck
[08:28] <petriborg> toulouse - yes i know about the berylwiki - i just don't want to have a lot of issues later
[08:28] <violot> he can help you most likely
[08:28] <gop> what software do I need for ubuntu to work with my tv tunner card
[08:28] <petriborg> ok violot
[08:28] <levander> SLI is for hard core gamers willing to spend the bucks.  That's about it
[08:28] <gop> what software in ubuntu can I watch tv via my tv tunner card
[08:28] <Ashton_Ke> Levander, not really.
[08:28] <toulouse> it worked for me -that's no gaurantee it will work for others
[08:28] <violot> He was the one that got it working for me
[08:28] <levander> gop: MythTV is a full blown PVR software package.
[08:29] <Ashton_Ke> SLI doesn't provide much of a boost in rendering time, only in maximum resolution.
[08:29] <levander> gop: There are smaller ones "apt-cache search tv" to find them.
[08:29] <Ashton_Ke> If you're running a nice projector, or 4 monitors (like our local nut Prime here), SLI is worth it.
[08:29] <toulouse> anyone know how to get halo demo working under wine?
[08:29] <Ashton_Ke> But if the highest you can go is 1280x1024 (or 1044x900 here (Hooray widescreen!))
[08:29] <Ashton_Ke> SLI is not worth the cost.
[08:29] <Ashton_Ke> Better of purchasing a shiny new 8800GT or whatever, instead of two 6800GT's.
[08:29] <levander> Ashton_Ke: wouldn't it just be easier to have four desktops on at most two monitors than to have four monitors?
[08:29] <toulouse> is transgaming worth the cost??
[08:30] <petriborg> violot - yeah i'm just reluctant to jump to edgy without knowing how that will turn out - i have a very nice stable dapper but has old 8776 drivers on it
[08:30] <Ashton_Ke> Levander, 4 monitors is actually very cool.
[08:30] <PrimeHex> indeed
[08:30] <violot> My dapper was very stable, and I gambled and upgraded to Edgy and it was fine.
[08:30] <PrimeHex> rotating the cube still gives me vertigo
[08:30] <missing_> anerotech: u still here?
[08:30] <toulouse> 4monitors! wtf, im on one monitor, darn i feel small
[08:30] <levander> I can't imagine myself doing enough stuff that I'd want four monitors.  Two monitors would come in handy, at times.
[08:30] <PrimeHex> because it's physically impossible, but it messes with you
[08:30] <Ashton_Ke> Are they set up in a square format prime, or are they all out in a line?
[08:30] <arrenlex> My dapper was very stable, and I gambled and upgraded to Edgy, and it turned out so bad I went back to Debian. :)
[08:30] <violot> Two monitors is nice :)
[08:30] <PrimeHex> levander: irc irc wow and internet
[08:30] <toulouse> cube works for me
[08:31] <Ashton_Ke> I have a nice 19" widescreen LCD, good enough for me.
[08:31] <Ashton_Ke> :P
[08:31] <toulouse> 4 desktops
[08:31] <Ashton_Ke> Forget cubes! I want more geometric shapes, now!
[08:31] <PrimeHex> toulouse: but see, rotating the cube on 4 monitors means you see all four corners turn at once, which means if you do it on accident or too fast you get very confused and dizzy
[08:31] <petriborg> arrenlex - that is what i'm worried about!
[08:31] <violot> Ashton_Ke, you can
[08:31] <levander> PrimeHex: what is wow?
[08:31] <violot> Add more/less desktops
[08:31] <kraut> moin
[08:31] <Ashton_Ke> Ooooh.
[08:31] <PrimeHex> levander: world of warcraft
[08:31] <petriborg> arrenlex - i'd probably do the same if edgy didn't go well :/
[08:31] <missing_> can anyone help me i get a make error when i try to compile a module http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38984/
[08:32] <levander> You can play world of warcraft and browse the web at the same time?  That game is that slow paced?
[08:32] <petriborg> primehex - WoW is why i'm looking to go to edgy :D
[08:32] <violot> I wish gnome could do 4 desktops for each monitor instead of 4 total, like E17 can do
[08:32] <jair> there is any application on ubuntu that makes easier and quicker to have a photoalbun integrated into apache two.  I mean a tool that can gather a group of pictures. resize them, create thumbnails and then prepare a web page?
[08:32] <Bakefy> in the smb.conf file, what is "security  = user"
[08:32] <Ashton_Ke> Prime, are your monitors in a square configuration, or are they in a line?
[08:32] <violot> jair: Try Gallery2?
[08:32] <Ashton_Ke> jair, I believe Google has a suite for that.
[08:32] <jair> I would like to have a easy to use photo albun integrated on my site
[08:32] <PrimeHex> Ashton_Ke: in a line, but they're shaped like \__/ around me
[08:32] <Ashton_Ke> Ohhhh.
[08:32] <PrimeHex> yea
[08:32] <jair> Ashton_Ke: I will check that
[08:32] <Ashton_Ke> I've just got a 19" LCD, but it was free.
[08:32] <violot> I thought Picasa uploaded to sites?
[08:32] <Ashton_Ke> So.....
[08:32] <Ashton_Ke> Yeah.
[08:33] <PrimeHex> that's why it messes with me when I rotate the cube, and using a panel isn't much better
[08:33] <jair> violot: all right I will check that
[08:33] <violot> Google's Picasa got a Linux version too
[08:33] <missing_> jair: i think convert can do that
[08:33] <violot> Gallery2 is nice
[08:33] <pramz> hello everyone
[08:33] <jair> violot: I will check those options guys thanks
[08:33] <PrimeHex> picasa is nice, very user friendly
[08:33] <violot> yeah
[08:33] <jair> there is picasa for Linux?
[08:33] <PrimeHex> yes
[08:33] <Ashton_Ke> Google has some very good coders.
[08:33] <PrimeHex> indeed
[08:33] <Nembutal> the windows version of picasa works with wine anyway
[08:33] <jair> great
[08:33] <Ashton_Ke> I believe they make some open source stuff too?
[08:33] <missing_> yes go i sugest cheking out automatix to install it
[08:33] <jair> I will be checking that
[08:33] <Nembutal> even though, the linux version is done with winelib
[08:33] <Nembutal> :)
[08:33] <pramz> well picasa for linux is done with winelib
[08:33] <PrimeHex> :D
[08:33] <violot> Yeah, that's the bad part ;)
[08:33] <pramz> but it works great
[08:33] <Nembutal> but actually
[08:34] <Nembutal> I prefert he windows version ;P
[08:34] <jair> ohh ok
[08:34] <PrimeHex> lol
[08:34] <pramz> same with google earth for linux
[08:34] <Ashton_Ke> Who cares what it's made with, as long as it works!
[08:34] <jair> ohh ok
[08:34] <missing_> its not bad they contributted a lot to the wine comunity
[08:34] <juanchito2006> Hello, after installing the ati driver and rebooting, the monitor gets out of sync. How do I fix this?
[08:34] <PrimeHex> arrenlex: did you notice the z06 picture on my desktop or not? i just thought it was funny you used a vette in an analogy
[08:34] <violot> jair, I'm trying to find my friend's online gallery thing he made
[08:34] <violot> I don't know if it is open source or not though
[08:34] <violot> I forget, so I'll look
[08:34] <missing_> juanchito: u havent fixed it yet?
[08:34] <ozzloy> t
[08:34] <jair> violot: using the program gallery?
[08:35] <missing_> juanchito: i can help you out by editing the xorg.onf file
[08:35] <Ashton_Ke> jair: I think he means his friend made a different piece of software.
[08:35] <violot> jair, no, he wrote his own software
[08:35] <gop> !tv
[08:35] <jair> wow
[08:35] <jair> good stuff
[08:35] <Ashton_Ke> !grue
[08:35] <missing_> juanchito: paste your xorg.con file from /etc/X11/xorg.conf file to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[08:36] <missing_> and give me the adress
[08:36] <Ashton_Ke> I hope he backed up old xorg.conf
[08:36] <petriborg> violot - one last question, you ever update you're kernel yet since installing this beryl guys nvidia stuff?
[08:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:36] <ubotu> The grue is a sinister, lurking presence in the dark places of the earth. Its favorite diet is adventurers, but its insatiable appetite is tempered by its fear of light. No grue has ever been seen by the light of day, and few have survived its fearsome jaws to tell the tale. Also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grue_(monster)
[08:36] <sushi_> I made a new user account.   I want this user to be ablel to use sudo to do tasks (like mount volumes, change files, etc.)  but it says that only my first user can do sudo?   How do I fix this?
[08:36] <Ashton_Ke> Sorry, had to.
[08:36] <Ashton_Ke> :P
[08:36] <violot> I run 2.6.17-10-generic
[08:36] <Ashton_Ke> Hrm, there's a specific group you have to add your user to.
[08:36] <PrimeHex> petriborg: i've used beryl and updated shit all the time, it's very odd that you actually have problems with it, and if you do you can just turn it off till you fix it
[08:36] <TooR4u> anyone works with gmailfs??
[08:36] <missing_> tv?
[08:36] <Ashton_Ke> Uhhh, it might be "wheel"
[08:37] <TooR4u> gmail file system
[08:37] <gop> missing_,  tv tunner
[08:37] <Bakefy> Why won't windows let me access my linux smb share with out a password.  my modded xbox works fine with it
[08:37] <missing_> withc one?
[08:37] <sushi_> Ashton_Ke if I just change my group to my first user ( "pot" ) then it should work?
[08:37] <gop> any one
[08:37] <sushi_> or change him to root group?
[08:37] <Ashton_Ke> Hold on.
[08:37] <gop> missing_,  I am trying to find one that workw with my tv tunner card
[08:37] <missing_> gop what do u want to know?
[08:37] <missing_> get a winpauge
[08:37] <gop> how to get my tv tunner ati 200 tv wonder to work
[08:37] <petriborg> primehex i haven't had a problem with it, i'm just being careful thanks
[08:37] <missing_> just dont get an ati one i have an all in wonder
[08:37] <gop> so ati ones won't work
[08:37] <violot> jair, his software is this: http://www.noelcower.com/120  I'm asking it if it is free right now
[08:37] <Ashton_Ke> Go to system -> Administration -> Users and Groups
[08:38] <Ashton_Ke> Find your new profile.
[08:38] <_linux> Hi, when i try to start kubuntu it freeses during boot at "Running local boot scripts (/etc/rc.local)" i can click enter there and i get a ternimal based login, but when i login and do "startx" it gives me abunch of errors with saying "Read Only File System" one of them being "Cant create /tmp/.X0-lock Read only file system" how can i fix this so i can boot up again?
[08:38] <Ashton_Ke> Check "Properties"
[08:38] <missing_> no im sorry they use that rae theather
[08:38] <gop> I am using xawtv
[08:38] <missing_> if they used the bt chiip it would work
[08:38] <gop> but it won't show tv
[08:38] <Ashton_Ke> Then go to "User priviledges" and check "Allow user to execute Administrative tasks"
[08:38] <Ashton_Ke> Got that?
[08:38] <petriborg> primehex, i'm a programmer and i need my linux to work most of the time, tinkering and games in linux = good, spending lots of down time, really bad
[08:38] <gop> what software beside mthtv and xwtv
[08:38] <PrimeHex> petriborg: i've had maybe, 5 minutes of downtime
[08:38] <gop> are thier in linux
[08:38] <missing_> gop: yeah xawtv wont give me anythiung either
[08:38] <Ashton_Ke> (Hey, it's at 84%)
[08:38] <petriborg> primehex excellent thanks
[08:38] <cge> Has anyone here ever used ld10k1?
[08:38] <sushi_> Ashton_Ke : Thanks , good solution !
[08:38] <gop> what other tv tunner software is thier
[08:39] <Ashton_Ke> No problem.
[08:39] <violot> petriborg: I run 2.6.17-10-generic
[08:39] <missing_> gop: i actually used vlc in windows but i dont know how it would work in linux
[08:39] <Ashton_Ke> gop, try knoppmyth?
[08:39] <violot> missing_, VLC is amazing in Linux
[08:39] <petriborg> violot - ok thanks
[08:39] <Ashton_Ke> Distro built around MythTV.
[08:39] <gop> oh vlc works with channel surferng
[08:39] <pluto> Hi, Im trying to back up one of my DVDs that I just bought to prevent scratches. It's a DVD9, and I want it to fit on a DVD5. K9copy always crashes when it gets to 99 percent of the read. Any way to copy from the command line or with another application? I want original menus etc.
[08:39] <missing_> WOW they got a knoppix myth tv dis!!!!!!
[08:39] <missing_> what a gift from heaven!!!
[08:39] <erpo> pluto: Use DVDDecrypter and DVDShrink under wine.
[08:39] <heatxsink> anyone in here
[08:39] <heatxsink> grr
[08:39] <gop> missing_,  how do you watch tv in vlc
[08:40] <heatxsink> nm
[08:40] <Ashton_Ke> I guess so, we have a DVD labeled "Knopmyth"
[08:40] <missing_> violot yeah it is but its more amazing in windows for some reason
[08:40] <KrisWood> Ok I'm back with more networking wierdness. It seems that disabling dhcp didn't fix it
[08:40] <Ashton_Ke> In our "Big case of Linux discs"
[08:40] <_linux> Hi, when i try to start kubuntu it freeses during boot at "Running local boot scripts (/etc/rc.local)" i can click enter there and i get a ternimal based login, but when i login and do "startx" it gives me abunch of errors with saying "Read Only File System" one of them being "Cant create /tmp/.X0-lock Read only file system" how can i fix this so i can boot up again?
[08:40] <heatxsink> has anyone in here use SVN with hooks to send an email out when something has been committed
[08:40] <arrenlex> heatxsink: Only 798 people right now... it's more usually. I hope it is enough to help you.
[08:40] <violot> missing_, oh, I thought you were asking if it had it or how to install it, sorry ;)
[08:40] <gop> missing_,  in windows how do you watch tv via vlc
[08:40] <heatxsink> arrenlex:  I miss typed
[08:40] <heatxsink> sorry
[08:40] <missing_> gop: well in windows i go to the file then open capture device
[08:40] <gop> yea
[08:40] <gop> what else
[08:40] <arrenlex> _linux: Is your root filesystem read-only?
[08:41] <pluto> Tried that erpo, but I can't get wine to recognize my drives. I've tried by going through and setting the right windows nt and all that, with no luck
[08:41] <Trentster> Hi all, is there a correct or reccomended way of installing nvidia 9746 drivers, should i download and try install from nvidia site or is the a correct source i should add to my apt list.?
[08:41] <Ashton_Ke> Trenster
[08:41] <erpo> pluto: Are you using the latest version of wine?
[08:41] <Ashton_Ke> !nvidia-glx
[08:41] <_linux> arrenlex: it shouldnt be, but it seems like it got set to it, how can i change it
[08:41] <missing_> juanchito: paste your xorg.con file from /etc/X11/xorg.conf file to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[08:41] <pluto> I'm  using what ever comes out of the repos on edgy so I'd think so
[08:41] <Ashton_Ke> Hopefully ubotu will find it.
[08:41] <KrisWood> firestarter is up and running but I've got no internet connectivity on the rest of the network. The eth1 is my internet interface and eth0 is my lan interface. I'm getting some really bizarre network latency when trying to ping my other machines from the linux box and the other machines can't ping the linux box at all. Any ideas?
[08:41] <ubotu> nvidia-glx: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 1.0.8776+<IP_ADDRESS>-1 (edgy), package size 3970 kB, installed size 12312 kB
[08:41] <petriborg> pluto - have you added the /dev/hdXX link to dosdevices/d::
[08:41] <arrenlex> _linux: What's the output of "ls -ld /"?
[08:42] <Ashton_Ke> Hold on.
[08:42] <arrenlex> _linux: also ls -ld /tmp
[08:42] <missing_> can anyone help me i get a make error when i try to compile a module http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38984/
[08:42] <pluto> No, haven't ever heard of that petriborg, how do I do it?
[08:42] <Trentster> arrenlex, thanks for the help with that generic thing...i just removed the 386 entries from the grub entries and booted into generic, but update still wants to install 386 kernel and patches, and i just have to uncheck it every time...oh well....at least its a workaround.
[08:42] <KrisWood> all of the machines are on the same subnet, <IP_ADDRESS> with IP addresses of 192.168.15.x
[08:42] <violot> jair, I don't think the MiniGallery software from noelcower.com is available anymore, sorry.  I think he trashed it
[08:42] <MybJames> WOW
[08:42] <_linux> arrenlex: im on a live CD right now
[08:42] <violot> jair, go with Gallery2 or something
[08:42] <missing_> !bint
[08:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bint - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:42] <arrenlex> _linux: What are you trying to do from the liveCD?
[08:43] <arrenlex> Trentster: Just remove the 386 kernel completely.
[08:43] <jair> violot: Thank you very much for your help
[08:43] <_linux> arrenlex: get help on how to fix my system
[08:43] <MybJames> /ns ghost darth_afro56 fagchops
[08:43] <Trentster> arrenlex, how do i do that?
[08:43] <MybJames> lul
[08:43] <jair> violot: I am checking in gallery2 is for Linux. and I think is a windows app? correct?
[08:43] <violot> jair, no problem, even though I didn't do much ;)
[08:43] <missing_> trentster: i thnk the program is called bint or the like icant remember but ubotu has the answer
[08:43] <KrisWood> wierd, my linux box can't ping itself on the eth0 ip address
[08:43] <violot> Gallery2 is a PHP app IIRC
[08:43] <juanchito2006> !linux
[08:43] <ubotu> linux is the kernel (core) of the Ubuntu operating system. Many operating systems use Linux as kernel. For more information on Linux in general, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
[08:43] <Bakefy> CAn anyone help me to connect to Samba from XP
[08:44] <heqs> !linux
[08:44] <violot> jair, http://gallery.menalto.com/
[08:44] <pluto> Is there a way to run Decrypter successfully?
[08:44] <juanchito2006> !debian
[08:44] <ubotu> Ubuntu and Debian are closely related. Ubuntu builds on the foundations of Debian architecture and infrastructure, with a different community and release process. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship
[08:44] <Ashton_Ke> Trendster: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[08:44] <juanchito2006> !ubuntu
[08:44] <ubotu> Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome
[08:44] <missing_> bakefy: u mean the password thing?
[08:44] <n2diy> KrisWood:  can it ping <IP_ADDRESS>?
[08:44] <arrenlex> Trentster: dpkg -l | grep image | grep 386 | cut -d " " -f 3 | xargs sudo apt-get remove --purge -y
[08:44] <foo> When will php 5.2 be available on ubuntu 6.06 LTS?
[08:44] <Trentster> Ashton_Ke, thanks
[08:44] <Bakefy> missing_: yes
[08:44] <violot> jair, are you looking for something like Gallery or an app to upload and such automatically?
[08:44] <KrisWood> n2diy: yes
[08:44] <jair> violot: ohh so I will have to read about it
[08:44] <violot> jair, BTW, have you tried Flickr?
[08:44] <Trentster> arrenlex, thanks man!
[08:45] <Bakefy> missing_: I can connect with other devices... i can't get windows to not use a password
[08:45] <KrisWood> ok nm I typosed the ip the first time it is able to ping eth0
[08:45] <jair> Flickr? no never heard of it.
[08:45] <violot> jair, unless you want it on your website
[08:45] <Samus_Aran> can anyone suggest why CUPS no longer has the option of using a USB printer ?  it used to have my Samsung printer listed fine, but no longer shows anything but LPT1 and a virtual PDF printer
[08:45] <jair> I want it on my web site
[08:45] <Ashton_Ke> No problem.
[08:45] <violot> Flickr only does off site, but gives you a free gallery with stuff
[08:45] <violot> I'd go with Gallery2 then
[08:45] <n2diy> Ok, so ping is working ,and the boxes loopback is working, your problem is with ethX.
[08:45] <KrisWood> still can't ping any other machine though
[08:45] <jair> violot: I have apache two already running here--> www.pcguruji.com
[08:46] <violot> Oh, if you want it on site, I'd go for Gallery2
[08:46] <Ashton_Ke> Flickr good....
[08:46] <pluto> I think I'mma hit the forums and hope for an up to date howto
[08:46] <Ashton_Ke> Sorry, zombie-response.
[08:46] <mojojojo__> is there sth like untested packages in Ubuntu? :)
[08:46] <_linux> arrenlex: get help on how to fix my system
[08:46] <KrisWood> it can ping one of the windows machines but half the time it says Destination Host Unreachable
[08:46] <KrisWood> and that windows box can't get online
[08:46] <missing_> about the decryptor question http://www.linuxeq.com/ has the answer
[08:46] <violot> But Flickr is good for non-on-site-hosting-of-photos-wow-this-is-a-long-word-thing
[08:46] <_linux> Hi, when i try to start kubuntu it freeses during boot at "Running local boot scripts (/etc/rc.local)" i can click enter there and i get a ternimal based login, but when i login and do "startx" it gives me abunch of errors with saying "Read Only File System" one of them being "Cant create /tmp/.X0-lock Read only file system" how can i fix this so i can boot up again?
[08:46] <n2diy> KrisWood: address me, so your posts are highlighted here. Are you running a firewall, or rounter?
[08:46] <Bakefy> missing_:   Any ideas?  my modded xbox running wbmc can get on my smb with no problems... no password needed
[08:46] <KrisWood> the rest of the machines don't respond at all
[08:46] <CryptoMole> hi all
[08:46] <KrisWood> n2diy: sorry
[08:47] <KrisWood> n2diy: I'm running firestarter as the firewall, my ubuntu box acts as my router
[08:47] <missing_> bakefy: well no i dont actually i had to set one on my windows box sorry i cant help you
[08:47] <arrenlex> _linux: Do you know the device node name of your Linux root filesystem? Like /dev/sda2 or whatever?
[08:47] <Rob-West> !pastebin
[08:47] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:47] <jair> violot: I will go with gallery2 Thanks
[08:47] <violot> jair, good luck :)
[08:47] <_linux> arrenlex: /dev/hda1
[08:47] <missing_> juanchito: do u want me to help you?
[08:47] <Ashton_Ke> Always a bad sign, "Good luck!"
[08:47] <Ashton_Ke> It's almost as if the words "You'll need it" should've been added.
[08:48] <violot> Pfff, it's just a photo gallery :P
[08:48] <sushi_> Ashton_ke I checked all the boxes in User Privilages and still I can't do administration tasks
[08:48] <n2diy> KrisWood: roger that. Can you disable the firewall and try pinging?
[08:48] <KrisWood> trying
[08:48] <violot> I have confidence if he's set up his current site with php that he can unzip a folder ;)
[08:48] <Bakefy> missing_: I can connect with other devices... i can't get windows to not use a password?
[08:48] <KrisWood> still unreachable from the windows boxes
[08:48] <Bakefy> sory
[08:49] <n2diy> KrisWood: address me, so your posts are highlighted
[08:49] <Bakefy> missing_:   what do you use for your default password?
[08:49] <arrenlex> _linux: Do this from the liveCD: "sudo mkdir /target && sudo mount /dev/hda1 /target && sudo chroot /target"
[08:49] <missing_> pluto: did u check http://www.linuxeq.com/
[08:49] <arrenlex> _linux: Tell me when you're done.
[08:49] <KrisWood> n2diy: sorry, kinda new to this irc thing
[08:49] <PrimeHex> WTF it's 3 am
[08:49] <n2diy> KrisWood: is Samba, and Shares setup?
[08:49] <PrimeHex> I still have to play viva pinata and elebits
[08:49] <PrimeHex> damnit
[08:49] <petribor1> dangit
[08:49] <violot> Holy crap.
[08:49] <foo> I want to upgrade to php 5.2 instead of 5.1.2 on ubuntu server. What's the best way to go about this?
[08:49] <arrenlex> PrimeHex: Only 12:49 here.
[08:49] <missing_> bakefy: something simple "allcodecs"
[08:49] <KrisWood> n2diy: it's still unreachable from the windows machines, samba and shares are set up, everything worked fine before the power went out
[08:49] <violot> I didn't realize it was 3!
[08:50] <PrimeHex> arrenlex: wanna send your privage jet over?
[08:50] <PrimeHex> violot: lol, you're welcome
[08:50] <violot> :P Thanks :P
[08:50] <n2diy> KrisWood: no problem on being new to IRC, I am too.
[08:50] <_linux> arrenlex: mkdir: cannot create directory `/target': Read-only file system
[08:50] <PrimeHex> s/privage/private/
[08:50] <Bakefy> missing_:   how did you set that password?
[08:50] <Ashton_Ke> It's 3? Oh boy, I need to be up at 8 tomorrow.
[08:50] <Ashton_Ke> This might be bad.
[08:50] <violot> Me too :)
[08:50] <arrenlex> _linux: ..from the liveCD?
[08:50] <PrimeHex> pluto: transportation, 13$ an hour, and you have yourself a driver-installing slave
[08:50] <missing_> bakefy: ohh u mean on the linux side
[08:50] <n2diy> KrisWood: ah, power failure, not good.
[08:50] <_linux> arrenlex: yes
[08:51] <Bakefy> yeayh
[08:51] <Ashton_Ke> I'm volunteering as some place or another tomorrow.
[08:51] <Ashton_Ke> Physical work, bad time to be sleep deprived.
[08:51] <PrimeHex> heh
[08:51] <missing_> bakefy: jaja i cant do it it has something to do with pam and i dont need to know that yet
[08:51] <arrenlex> _linux: What happens if you do this? mount -o remount,rw /
[08:51] <n2diy> KrisWood: from a terminial run ifconfig.
[08:51] <Ashton_Ke> I'll call it insomnia and pass off the responsibility to the government somehow.
[08:51] <arrenlex> _linux: Uh, sudo on that
[08:51] <PrimeHex> DAMNIT ubuntu, I wish this os didn't kick so much ass
[08:51] <missing_> sorry
[08:51] <pluto> PrimeHex: I'm getting close to trying to find someone online to compile these drivers for me and make it a nice deb..
[08:51] <petribor1> smart people: i need to ensure one drive gets completely blanked (the old root, swap and boot), what is the best way to do that when doing the install?
[08:51] <PrimeHex> pluto: :P
[08:51] <frogzoo> KrisWood: power failure is only an issue if the disks are writing when the power's cut - I doubt it should break networking unless you're changing files at the time
[08:51] <Bakefy> missing_:   okay
[08:51] <arrenlex> pluto: What drivers are these?
[08:51] <missing_> pluto: what do u mean a slave?
[08:52] <arrenlex> pluto: Are you following a howto? Are you using module-assistant?
[08:52] <_linux> arrenlex: whats it suspose to do? i didnt get an error or anything, so im assuming it did what it was suspose to do
[08:52] <missing_> can anyone help me with modula assistant?
[08:52] <KrisWood> n2diy: done, what do you want to know from ifconfig? I know it's odd, I'm wondering if maybe something got bumped when I was stumbling around in the dark
[08:52] <frogzoo> !helpme | missing_
[08:52] <ubotu> missing_: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:52] <arrenlex> _linux: It remounts the root filesystem read-write. xD
[08:52] <pluto> Nope arrenlex, just got the source drivers for this Touchscreen of mine and MAN they are a bihotch
[08:52] <violot> Ohhhhh, touchscreen, yummy
[08:52] <violot> Has anyone used Linux with a smart board?
[08:53] <_linux> arrenlex: yay!
[08:53] <pluto> Not if it hooks up from usb violot
[08:53] <Ashton_Ke> hrm
[08:53] <missing_> hey frogzoo u remember the problem i had yesterday? with not beeing able to compile ?
[08:53] <arrenlex> _linux: Now try "sudo mkdir /target && sudo mount /dev/hda1 /target && sudo chroot /target"
[08:53] <n2diy> KrisWood: I think the power failure caused your modem to grab another internet address.
[08:53] <surya> hhhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[08:53] <violot> arrenlex, happy almost-birthday :)
[08:53] <KrisWood> n2diy: yes, it did
[08:53] <arrenlex> violot: Well it is my birthday technically, as it's past midnight.
[08:53] <missing_> can anyone help me with module assist im getting this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38984/
[08:53] <n2diy> KrisWood: Ok, so we need to tell your box what the new one is.
[08:53] <violot> arrenlex, ah, good point
[08:53] <violot> Happy birthday then :)
[08:54] <arrenlex> missing_: Have you run "m-a prepare"?
[08:54] <Ashton_Ke> How come the nvidia-glx driver only wants me to have 800x600 as my highest resolution?
[08:54] <Ashton_Ke> And how can I change that?
[08:54] <arrenlex> !fixres | Ashton_Ke
[08:54] <pluto> Stupid thing would work fine if I could do a make clean, but instead I get some weird errors, even after i've unistalled and reinstalled the source
[08:54] <ubotu> Ashton_Ke: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:54] <violot> arrenlex:  *<:o)   <-- Smiley in party hat ;)
[08:54] <KrisWood> n2diy: yes but shouldn't dhcp automaticly get that? I mean, my ubuntu box is online or I wouldn't be on this irc
[08:54] <jair> violot: Thanks, Gallery looks like a very cool project
[08:54] <juanchito2006> !paste
[08:54] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:54] <violot> jair, good luck with it, it's great :)
[08:54] <KrisWood> n2diy: it's the static local IP that's having trouble
[08:54] <missing_> arrenlex: yes still no luck
[08:55] <_linux> arrenlex: mkdir: cannot create directory `/target': Read-only file system
[08:55] <arrenlex> _linux: I don't know, man. Never seen that before from a liveCD. Sorry. = /
[08:55] <n2diy> KrisWood: It is working! But why wouldn't ping work?
[08:55] <arrenlex> missing_: Are you on a custom kernel?
[08:55] <KrisWood> I don't know. The internet connection sharing through the firewall isn't working either
[08:56] <juanchito2006> Look at this (usenet archive) http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38987/
[08:56] <aresgunther> hey I have a irc question
[08:56] <KrisWood> n2diy: I don't know. The internet connection sharing through the firewall isn't working either
[08:56] <n2diy> KrisWood: Why would a static local IP be effected by a power outage?
[08:56] <juanchito2006> aresgunther: ask
[08:56] <aresgunther> where can I find a proxy to use with IRC?
[08:56] <KrisWood> n2diy: I don't know, that's why I'm here >.<
[08:56] <aresgunther> so my ip isn't out in the open
[08:56] <missing_> arrenlex: yes and all the surce and headers are there ive already ran module assist prepare update and build fails
[08:56] <nix_ferret> Anyone know how I could copy a bunch of jpgs in a bunch of folders to one folder?
[08:56] <n2diy> KrisWood: Reset your router?
[08:57] <PrimeHex> ok
[08:57] <PrimeHex> I'm back
[08:57] <PrimeHex> it's faster now
[08:57] <KrisWood> n2diy: My linux box IS my router
[08:57] <nix_ferret> cp -R *.jpg?
[08:57] <juanchito2006> aresgunther: try googlin it
[08:57] <n2diy> KrisWood: Reset your modem?
[08:57] <arrenlex> missing_: If you're sure you have headers, then I don't know. Never had any experience with custom kernels.
[08:57] <aresgunther> I tried many times
[08:57] <arrenlex> nix_ferret: No. That won't work.
[08:57] <aresgunther> I can't find a reasonable way to do it
[08:57] <aresgunther> do you use a proxy?
[08:57] <KrisWood> n2diy: done many many times now
[08:58] <n2diy> KrisWood: I'm waiting for the calvary to arrive, I'm just guessing!
[08:58] <KrisWood> n2diy: lol thanks
[08:58] <nix_ferret> any ideas?
[08:58] <missing_> arrenlex: i c the weird part is that ive rebuilt the same modules on my previos kernel before so its not that i did somethin wrong i used the same tutorials both time
[08:58] <KrisWood> n2diy: methinks I'll shut down the linux box, make sure the nic is firmly seated, check all the wires, and try again
[08:59] <KrisWood> brb
[08:59] <n2diy> KrisWood: Good luck, wish I could have been more helpful.
[08:59] <aresgunther> any cheep wireless cards for a laptop that should work out of the box?
[08:59] <n2diy> KrisWood: That is a good plan.
[08:59] <Ashton_Ke> Anything with the Orinoco driver, or Atheros, in my experience.
[09:00] <aresgunther> anyone know how to use a proxy with IRC?
[09:01] <missing_> can anyone help me with module assist im getting this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38984/ it has something to do with linux/config.h
[09:02] <missing_> aresgunther: u have all the proxy information already?
[09:02] <erpo> I have a project that uses autogen (build instructions are ./autogen.sh;make;make install). I need to compile this C program with the -g flag. How do I do this?
[09:02] <aresgunther> no
[09:02] <aresgunther> I still need help
[09:02] <aresgunther> any ideas?
[09:03] <missing_> ares: well u dont have a proxy server?
[09:03] <aresgunther> no
[09:03] <aresgunther> I don't know how to use one with irc
[09:03] <missing_> ares: then u want to find a public proxyserver?
[09:03] <neurotech> PrimeHex|Games arrrrhhh!
[09:04] <TooR4u> !gmailfs
[09:04] <cge> missing_: It sounds to me like ares wants to know how to use one.
[09:04] <aresgunther> I found a list, but none of them worked with irc, they got rejected for one reason or another.
[09:04] <cge> aresgunther: Why do you want to use one?
[09:04] <_linux> how do i change my system from read only to read-write?
[09:04] <ubotu> gmailfs: Use your GMail account as a filesystem. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.7.2-2 (edgy), package size 24 kB, installed size 156 kB
[09:04] <aresgunther> I don't like my ip address in plain sight.
[09:05] <n2diy> _linux: You don' want to do that!
[09:05] <cge> aresgunther: Hmm... you could use freenode's tor service if you run tor - it works very well and has surprisingly low latency for a tor connection.
[09:05] <missing_> well u cant use one if u dont have a server to connect to but u need an ip and some ports go here to look at some public servers http://www.publicproxyservers.com/page1.html
[09:05] <aresgunther> anyway other then a proxy to get rid of that information?
[09:06] <mokkan> how i install firfocks 2 on ubuntoo
[09:06] <cge> aresgunther: If you only care about freenode, then you could also become a PDPC member and get a cloak.
[09:06] <aresgunther> because if I look up 'ubotu' 's information their ip address is not there.
[09:06] <aresgunther> eh?
[09:06] <mokkan> ne help? plz?
[09:06] <_linux> n2diy: yes i do, its at read only now, so it cant create the files it needs to boot
[09:06] <neurotech> Xgl is using 40% CPU, wtf?
[09:06] <aresgunther> elaborate, please.
[09:06] <mokkan> ill b ur best frend :\
[09:06] <missing_> ares: heres a list http://www.publicproxyservers.com/page1.html
[09:06] <_linux>  /join #beryl
[09:06] <missing_> neurotech: u got it working?
[09:07] <petriborg> wow that took a long time for my ghost to go away
[09:07] <aresgunther> cge: please explain how I can do that.
[09:07] <neurotech> Yeah it was working fine missing_
[09:07] <mokkan> sigh, thx 4 nuthin
[09:07] <cge> aresgunther: Sorry, I was away from my computer for a bit to get my power cable.
[09:07] <n2diy> _linux: Then how I'm I reading your posts?
[09:07] <cge> aresgunther: Which one?
[09:07] <violot> TooR4u: Have you ever had problems with gmail as a file system?  Like deleted accounts?
[09:07] <Ashton_Ke> That mokkan guy sure was impatient.
[09:07] <aresgunther> cge: 'then you could also become a PDPC member and get a cloak.'
[09:07] <_linux> n2diy: im on a live CD
[09:07] <cge> aresgunther: Ah.
[09:07] <_linux> thats why my name is linux
[09:07] <neurotech> I rebooted and now Xgl is using like 41% CPU and Beryl makes all my titlebars disappear and reappear, flickering style
[09:08] <Jimerson> Anyone familiar with network problems in 6.10 running on a G5 iMac?
[09:08] <cge> aresgunther: One minute - I will find the instructions for you.
[09:08] <petriborg> neurotech - scary >.<
[09:08] <aresgunther> cge: Thanks.
[09:08] <missing_> well if i remember correctly u have to disable some kind of extension maybe the composite one
[09:08] <n2diy> _linux: Ok, so what happened to your install, that caused you to boot from the live CD?
[09:09] <_linux> n2diy: nothing happened on my install, my install has been good for 6 months, i just accidently turned my system to read only
[09:09] <spike723> what package do I want if I have firefox and I want flash / shockwave support?
[09:09] <petriborg> _linux: to read only in fstab?
[09:09] <violot> Anyone Evolution guru's here?
[09:10] <_linux> probably
[09:10] <violot> I have an account with a saved password, and I want to know it :P
[09:10] <_linux> i was messing with my fstab
[09:10] <violot> I forgot my password
[09:10] <petriborg> _linux: well that should be easy to fix yeah?
[09:10] <_linux> how do i change it?
[09:10] <violot> I'm transferring to Thunderbird, but I haven't used this address in 30 days, so I forget the password
[09:10] <KrisWood> n2diy: ok I fixed it
[09:10] <n2diy> _linux: you can't accidently do that, you did something, or an update did something.
[09:10] <cge> aresgunther: http://freenode.net/pdpc_donations.shtml. I had also heard that there were free cloaks as well, you might want to ask in #freenode. Finally, if you are a member of a group, such as an Ubuntu developer or Wikipedia editor, you can obtain a free group cloak through them. Wikipedia is particularly easy if you have a reasonable number of edits there.
[09:10] <KrisWood> n2diy: Apparently port 1 of my switch got fried in the power outage
[09:11] <petriborg> _linux: open a terminal, mount you're drive, and then use root to modify /etc/fstab
[09:11] <n2diy> _linux: What was the fix??!!
[09:11] <KrisWood> n2diy: moving my eth0 cable to port 5 fixed the issue
[09:11] <aresgunther> cge: Thanks for your help.
[09:11] <_linux> i know that, but what do i change in it
[09:11] <KrisWood> n2diy: time to buy a new switch I guess >.<
[09:11] <KrisWood> n2diy: thanks for the help though :)
[09:12] <n2diy> KrissWood, sorry to hear that, but glad your cooking agian.
[09:12] <petriborg> _linux: paste me the line and i will attempt to help
[09:12] <KrisWood> n2diy: NP, I'm glad for the help brainstorming, I guess that's what I really needed lol
[09:12] <cge> aresgunther: You're welcome. Hopefully the process still works well - the last time I bought a cloak it was before lilo had passed away.
[09:12] <neurotech> After getting XGL and Beryl 0.1.1 running nicely, I rebooted and now Xgl is hogging like 41% CPU and Beryl is causing my titlebars to flicker on and off. Any ideas?
[09:12] <n2diy> KrisWood, sorry to hear that, but glad your cooking agian.
[09:12] <KrisWood> ok I'm off, night all!
[09:12] <n2diy> KrisWood, nada, stuff happens.
[09:12] <_linux> i dont want to mount my HD, somthin always goes wrong and it never works right
[09:12] <petriborg> neurotech - i would guess bad xorg config
[09:13] <nix_ferret> Dude, voltron on my tivo...nice.
[09:13] <petriborg> _linux: can you please give more details?
[09:13] <petriborg> _linux: "something goes wrong" meaning you have drive corruption?
[09:13] <_linux> no
[09:13] <jlowell> how do I get beryl to start on login in kde?
[09:14] <cge> Does anyone here use an emu10k1/2 based card such as an Audigy 1/2?
[09:14] <_linux> i just dont like dealing with mounting stuff
[09:14] <petriborg> _linux: well i'm sorry but that will be required to fix this problem
[09:14] <violot> Anyone know the answer to my Evolution problem?
[09:14] <_linux> but it wont, i can just boot up my ubuntu and do it that way
[09:14] <_linux> i just have to figure out what to change
[09:15] <Ashton_Ke> I'm out.
[09:15] <Ashton_Ke> Goodnight ladies and gentlemen, whichever is applicable.
[09:15] <petriborg> _linux: except there are maybe 3 or 4 ways to actually set you're drive to read only
[09:15] <violot> Goodbye
[09:15] <_linux> like what?
[09:15] <violot> Anyone know how to get a stored password in Evolution?
[09:16] <nix_ferret> is the connection over SSL violet?
[09:16] <petriborg> _linux: here are 2, 1. in the line look for "ro" it will appear in the option line (this might also be spelled out), 2. you might have a bad mask number something like 700  or 000 like mask=200 or something
[09:16] <moktod> how do install a newer version of a package (for example, gqview)
[09:16] <petriborg> those are what i can remember off the top of my head
[09:16] <moktod> i want the latest version that can deal with Nikon Raw images properly
[09:16] <violot> nix_ferret, it is just a password for one of my email accounts
[09:17] <cge> violot: From my cursory and outdated knowledge of Evolution, which is made yet more inaccurate by my dislike for the program, I believe that it stores passwords in GNOME's keyring, in which case you could use gnome-keyring-manager to obtain the passwords.
[09:17] <nix_ferret> Yeah, I'm aware
[09:17] <nix_ferret> Sniff the packet, it's in plain text
[09:17] <petriborg> i never did get around to using evolution :/
[09:17] <violot> Using wireshark?
[09:17] <nix_ferret> or grep the directory, but I doubt that's in plaintext
[09:17] <liberion> hey guys do they have a debian package of fretsonfire?
[09:17] <violot> I'm migrating to Thunderbird
[09:17] <n2diy> petriborg: you aren't missing anything.
[09:17] <violot> nix_ferret, using Wireshark?
[09:18] <cge> violot: Wireshark would work.
[09:18] <cge> violot: dsniff might be easier.
[09:18] <violot> Ok, I'll try
[09:18] <moktod> how do install a newer version of a package (for example, gqview)
[09:18] <nix_ferret> Dunno, I usually use winXP proggies
[09:18] <violot> I'll try dsniff
[09:18] <violot> Although wireshark was kind of easy when I tried
[09:19] <nix_ferret> I KNOW it get's transmitted in plain text b/c I sniffed my own
[09:19] <cge> violot: dsniff isn't a general sniffing program - it looks specifically for passwords.
[09:19] <violot> Ah, I guess that would be easier than
[09:19] <n2diy> moktod: apt-get upgrade install (package name)
[09:19] <violot> then
[09:19] <cge> nix_ferret: It depends on the client setup and server capabilities, and it is quite possible that it isn't transmitted in plaintext depending on the options.
[09:20] <nix_ferret> unless it's ssl or md5, then it's plaintext
[09:20] <nix_ferret> charter, comcast, alltel don't use any sort of special connections.
[09:20] <Ganjadude> damn alot of people in here, maybe i can get some help?
[09:21] <nix_ferret> I imagine none of the commercial ones do, so the AOLers can set it up easy.
[09:21] <moktod> n2diy, that does not appear to accomplish what I'd like done
[09:21] <cge> nix_ferret: Every single email server I use uses SSL or TLS, including SMTP servers.
[09:21] <cge> nix_ferret: But I see your point.
[09:22] <Ganjadude> IF anyone has any knowledge of hybrid IRCd and can help me out, i seem to only allow 1 user on at any given moment
[09:22] <nix_ferret> That's b/c yours aren't comcast or aol or something stupid
[09:22] <n2diy> moktod: Oh well, life is a beach!
[09:23] <nix_ferret> ...I imagine.
[09:23] <violot> I think I found it in wireshark
[09:23] <missing_> question is it possible to substitude aptitude for apt-get or are they diferent things? ive always used dkpg
[09:23] <violot> But it looks to be md5 sum, but I'm no expert
[09:23] <violot> I'm having a problem with dsniff
[09:23] <cge> missing_: Yes, it is possible. aptitude is a frontend to apt-get.
[09:23] <violot> dsniff: nids_init: no suitable device found
[09:23] <cge> violot: Dsniff probably doesn't show it because it isn't in plaintext.
[09:24] <violot> It uses SSL
[09:24] <violot> I think
[09:24] <violot> And it looks to be an md5 sum what I found
[09:24] <cge> violet: one moment.
[09:24] <violot> It was in "Application Data"
[09:24] <violot> Right after the "Here's what I can do .... Login .... .... " from the server
[09:25] <nix_ferret> If you don't know if your e-mail uses SSL, then you sure as heck don't know what a md5 hash looks like...
[09:25] <cge> violot: You could change the options in evolution.
[09:25] <violot> Well, it has a long list of numbers and letters XD
[09:25] <nix_ferret> hahah
[09:25] <missing_> cge: thank you ive wondered why there was a shell command that worked the same way as apt-get
[09:26] <missing_> thats redundant
[09:26] <IRCD_HELP_PLZ> any chance you might be of any assistance, im tryin to get hybrid IRCD going, i got eVERYTHING working, services and all.... but i can only connect 1 user at any given time
[09:26] <nix_ferret> to bad it's not in windows, you could get it quick with the iopus password proggie
[09:26] <violot> Doesn't aptitude also install the suggested packages?
[09:26] <cge> missing_: It isn't the same, though. Try running it without any commands.
[09:26] <zen2> lmao IRCD_HELP_PLZ
[09:26] <cge> missing_: It's more like synaptic.
[09:26] <IRCD_HELP_PLZ> yeah yeah i got 4 days to get this bug worked
[09:27] <zen2> yeah phill i know
[09:27] <IRCD_HELP_PLZ> lol
[09:27] <missing_> jajajajjajjajajjajaja i have found the solution to my make problem!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:27] <violot> cge: Change what options?
[09:27] <cge> violot: The server settings.
[09:27] <zen2> !ircd
[09:27] <violot> What server settings?
[09:27] <violot> :|
[09:28] <ubotu> ircd: IRC Server daemon - dummy package. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.0 (edgy), package size 6 kB, installed size 36 kB
[09:28] <cge> violot: Password type
[09:28] <nix_ferret> in evolution, The SETTINGS MAN!.
[09:28] <nix_ferret> I need FULL POWER!
[09:28] <neurotech> is 0.1.4 available for ubuntu dapper 6.06?
[09:28] <missing_> if anyone comes in here with problems installing the ati 8.32.5 drivers tell them they dont compile properly!!
[09:28] <violot> Wait, MD5 is not allowed, all I get is password
[09:28] <nix_ferret> Well...yeah.
[09:29] <violot> I'm confused :|
[09:29] <nix_ferret> Is it comcast or something?
[09:29] <violot> I need to recover my password :P   That's about all I know
[09:29] <violot> ubuntusociety.org
[09:29] <nix_ferret> Who's the e-mail with?
[09:29] <violot> ubuntusociety.org
[09:29] <cge> violot: If I remember correctly some sort of trivial reversible hashing is used.  In component universe, is optional. Version 1:7.0.3-3.1 (edgy), package size 492 kB, installed size 1976 kB
[09:31] <nix_ferret> I mean... XD
[09:31] <zen2> !ircd-hybrid links
[09:31] <tigerflyer> i have an external usb disk attached... it came out of an old linux laptop... is there a gui way to erase it all and repartition it?
[09:31] <violot> Doh!
[09:31] <violot> I couldn't find that link
[09:32] <zen2> yeah tigerflyer
[09:32] <tigerflyer> sweet... care to share zen2?
[09:32] <violot> nix_ferret, that is not for the webmail
[09:32] <zen2> what os you useing to do it
[09:33] <tigerflyer> ubuntu
[09:33] <violot> That is for the main site, they have different passwords
[09:33] <missing_> sudo shutdown -r now
[09:33] <cge> violot: Use gconf-editor to look in the evolution settings.
[09:34] <cge> violot: I'm having trouble testing since the only IMAP server on my local network only runs with SSL.
[09:34] <violot> cge: There doesn't seem to be anything holding my passwords :|
[09:34] <r_rehashed> hi
[09:35] <sb_> hello, right now I am trying to install Xubuntu 6.10 Edgy on an HP Brio, and it says the cd rom wont mount. Ive burnt countless cds of it, and the original cd installed just fine when I used it on another computer, which was an Hp E-pc (evectra). Even the original Cd wont work.....if that contributes to the probem, ive had to boot xubuntu from a floppytwith smart boot manager on it. However, if thats not the case, what should I do? the ISO file is on my
[09:35] <sb_>  main computer which is running Kubuntu 6.10 Edgy (with Gnome and KDE installed), so I cant run MD5summer.
[09:35] <nix_ferret> violot, it's got to be sent somewhere.
[09:35] <wiitard> Hello guys.
[09:35] <violot> I know, but I don't know where :P
[09:35] <linux_user400354> a
[09:35] <wiitard> Can some one help me install this Intel intergratioin of Hostap?
[09:35] <Lazyleaf> Does dig come with ubuntu 5.10?
[09:36] <violot> nix_ferret, nothing in gnome-keyring-manager
[09:36] <linux_user400354> what's dig?
[09:36] <foo> Anyone know where I can get php5.2 from? I don't see it in backports?
[09:36] <Lazyleaf> it's a utility that's part of bind9
[09:36] <Lazyleaf> i believe
[09:36] <wiitard> Helo?
[09:36] <cge> violot: Let me find a server I can safely log into in plain text.
[09:36] <emun> ubuntu is denying me access to system configuration ,cannot get into root with su/sudo. what did i do wrong I cannot even launch synaptic anyloger
[09:37] <nix_ferret> I don't know what they use for auth. They could use anything. I thought you just wanted the pass for a cox cable type account.
[09:37] <r_rehashed> i have been trying to re-install grub but have been unanble to. i keep getting messages like `Error 23: Error while parsing number' and `Error 11: Unrecognized device string' for the commands root (sd0, 5) and root (hd0, 5), respectively.
[09:37] <r_rehashed> please help me
[09:37] <Hirni> emun: did you create some root password?
[09:37] <linux_user400354> strange, nmap shows port 22 open but i cant get a login prompt from ssh
[09:38] <tigerflyer> how can i tell when i "identify" if it is actaully identifying me
[09:38] <violot> cge: Found it
[09:38] <Hirni> is anyone familiar with voip and using voipbuster with any program?
[09:38] <linux_user400354> firewall cant be blocking it or else nmap wouldnt show the port open
[09:38] <violot> Evolution passwords are stored in: ~/.gnome2_private/Evolution
[09:39] <zen2> it will set a new mode
[09:39] <nix_ferret> found your pass?
[09:39] <cge> violot: Ah, I remember that directory.
[09:39] <violot> nix_ferret, yes
[09:39] <nix_ferret> plain text?
[09:39] <emun> I  have a password to boot up ubuntu but when I  use it in the terminal it say sudo error
[09:39] <nix_ferret> I prefer thunderbird myself.
[09:40] <wiitard> man, how do compile a build?
[09:40] <cge> nix_ferret: .gnome2_private is 700
[09:40] <Gosha> "deb http://apt.tt-solutions.com/ubuntu/ edgy main" how would that be in ubuntu? instead of deb "apt-get"?
[09:40] <mdious> wiitard:  usually you just run ./configure then make then make install...or some fancy people do a make&&make install or something lol
[09:40] <nix_ferret> It's still in there plain text though.
[09:41] <cge> nix_ferret: Yes, but it is Evolution, one cannot have great expectations for it.
[09:41] <wiitard> MDIOUS, so do i have to go to the directory?
[09:42] <wolverine> I have a question about installation of Ubuntu 6.06 can anyone help me?
[09:42] <wiitard> I wish there was a gui way...
[09:42] <Terminus> !ask| wolverine
[09:42] <ubotu> wolverine: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:42] <cge> nix_ferret: Evolution is the email client that kept an experimental and barely-functional IMAP option in production builds, with no explanation or warning, for over a year and several major releases after the problem was noticed.
[09:42] <Terminus> !anyone| wolverine
[09:42] <ubotu> wolverine: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[09:42] <wolverine> I wante to know that what is minimum RAM required for Ubuntu 6.06
[09:43] <emun> hirni, I do not know whether i did something in smb4k  to mess things up , i was trying to set up samba to connect to windows network
[09:43] <cge> wolverine: What amount do you have?
[09:43] <mdious> wiitard:  yeah un-tar whatever it is you download, go into that directory and run ./configure
[09:43] <nix_ferret> I just didn't like it, no real technical reason.
[09:43] <Terminus> wolverine: tricky. depends on what you want to be able to do. it could probably run on 64mb if you don't run a GUI.
[09:43] <wolverine> cge: I have 256 MB DDR
[09:43] <mdious> wiitard:  i think ./configure --help will list options you have
[09:43] <wiitard> mdios it says bash no such file or directory.
[09:43] <Terminus> wolverine: that's enough to run a GUI. =)
[09:44] <wolverine> but i am not abale to install it
[09:44] <_linux> anyone know how to change a system from read only to read-write?
[09:44] <cge> wolverine: Use the alternate installation disc.
[09:45] <wolverine> when I boot with LIve CD it will go to desktop and then when I click on install icon it just show busy and then after some time system gets hanged
[09:45] <cge> _linux: Do you have a command line?
[09:45] <linux_user400354> _linux: umask
[09:45] <wolverine> I tried with 3 different CDs and 2 Different DVD ROms
[09:45] <emun> ubuntu is not allowing me to get into root, what do i do
[09:45] <_linux> cge: yes
[09:45] <wolverine> so I think there is not prob with CD or CD drive
[09:46] <wiitard> MDIOUS  when i type ./configure it says no such directory
[09:46] <cge> wolverine: You tried the alternate CD, the CD without a GUI and only a text-mode install?
[09:46] <linux_user400354> _linux: it depends on the filesystem, but you will have to umount it and then mount it again with the correct options
[09:46] <foo> Anyone know where I can get php5.2 from? I don't see it in  backports? I'm on dapper 6.06 server edition with a LAMP install.
[09:46] <cge> linux_user400354: That isn't true.
[09:46] <cge> _linux: Try mount -o remount,rw
[09:46] <foo> /w 43
[09:46] <mdious> wiitard:  what does the command 'pwd' bring up?
[09:46] <wolverine> no I have that live cds which Ubuntu ship for free
[09:46] <wiitard> noo
[09:46] <_linux> cge: that all?
[09:46] <wiitard> IT says invalid file or directory.
[09:46] <cge> _linux: Well, with the mount point after it.
[09:46] <_linux> ok
[09:47] <wolverine> cge: thats why I asked that 256mb ram is sufficient for GUI installation or not?
[09:47] <nix_ferret> Well, I've gotta meet up with this nigerian diplomat, l8r
[09:47] <cge> wolverine: It might not be, I'm not sure. I never use it.
[09:47] <tigerflyer> if i have a 60 gig hard drive... and i format it to ext3... is it normal for it to be 52 gigs free
[09:48] <linux_user400354> strange, i have a computer with sshd running but i cant ssh into it. a firewall isnt blocking it. i can see from nmap the port is opened.
[09:48] <wolverine> cge:cause I have separate 20GB HDD for it
[09:48] <linux_user400354> ssh just hangs
[09:48] <cge> wolverine: How experienced are you with Linux?
[09:48] <emun> help heeelp please, how do i get into root ,ubuntu does not allow me , what command can i use
[09:48] <missing_> tiger: yeah the unformatted size is diferent because it also need some kind of journaling to know here the files are in the drives
[09:49] <wolverine> cge: no this is my second time only first I installed mandriva 2006
[09:49] <tigerflyer> missing_, i know... but is 8 gigs right for ext3?
[09:49] <tigerflyer> i know some take less
[09:49] <tigerflyer> some take more
[09:49] <wolverine> cge: but I want to install now Ubuntu
[09:49] <cge> wolverine: Hmm... do you have a fast internet connection and a CD writer?
[09:49] <wiitard> Does Anyone know if a Intel wireless chipset is PRISM?
[09:49] <missing_> tiger: did u chekc to see what info fdisk gave u about the partition table?
[09:49] <cge> tigerflyer: Ext2 and 3 have space reserved for root.
[09:50] <wolverine> cge: I have a DVD writer but I have limited download limit for my internet connection
[09:50] <frogzoo> tigerflyer: completely normal - 5% is reserved for overhead, ext needs this for defragging
[09:50] <cge> tigerflyer: Also, do you mean 60 gebibytes or 60 gigabytes, and 52 gigabytes or 52 gebibytes?
[09:50] <tigerflyer> cge, its an external hd... its not bootable so does it have root?
[09:50] <tigerflyer> gigabytes*
[09:50] <tigerflyer> frogzoo, thanks
[09:50] <cge> tigerflyer: Errr, gibibytes, sorry.
[09:50] <missing_> tiger: some oems like dell and compaq like to hide theyre repair partiotions
[09:51] <Gosha> someone said ubuntu was debian cousin .. how come this wont work? --> "deb http://apt.tt-solutions.com/ubuntu/ edgy main"
[09:51] <wolverine> cge: any solution?
[09:51] <tigerflyer> missing_, hmmm ok... last ? for the night... whats the best fs to maximize space?... this drive is just for storage
[09:51] <cge> wolverine: Yes.
[09:51] <wolverine> what? cge
[09:52] <detectiveinspekt> I have changed my gf card from ati to a nvidia one, it no longer displays the gui, what is needed?
[09:52] <wolverine> cge: I have a DVD writer but I have limited download limit for my internet connection
[09:52] <cge> wolverine: But I'm not sure if I can lead you through it. You need to partition the disk manually, and then enable the swap partition.
[09:52] <tigerflyer> detectiveinspekt,   did u install the nvidia drivers?
[09:53] <cge> wolverine: Unless you are able to download 700 megabytes.
[09:53] <detectiveinspekt> no, I'm not sure what package I should be installing
[09:53] <wolverine> cge: no but CD is not going upto partiton stage its going only upto selecting country and then gets hanged
[09:53] <tigerflyer> remove all the ati shit
[09:53] <amigamia> i have a netgear wireless usb and it is not being detected by ubuntu...maybe i have to late of a version? i got this like at the first of the yea rthis box.
[09:53] <tigerflyer> and install the invidia drivers
[09:53] <missing_> tiger: u should check with sudo fdisk /dev/xxx and then then the p command?
[09:53] <cge> tigerflyer: You can set up ext3 to have a smaller restriction.
[09:53] <cge> missing_: That isn't relevant, this is about space in a single partition.
[09:54] <violot> YES SOLVE AMIGAMIA'S PROBLEM MY FRIEND HAS THAT PROBLEM! :P
[09:54] <cge> wolverine: I know, you need to do the partitioning in another way.
[09:54] <amigamia> chao violot!
[09:54] <tigerflyer> amigamia, r u sure ur usb card is supported?
[09:54] <violot> 'lo amigamia
[09:54] <wiitard> this stuf is hard... could some one remote connect and install this program for me.
[09:54] <wolverine> cge: but how? right now its entire single partition
[09:55] <cge> Could someone guide wolverine through manually partitioning with the 6.06 LiveCD?
[09:55] <n30n> !multiverse
[09:55] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[09:55] <wiitard> !hostap
[09:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hostap - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:55] <n30n> !EasySource
[09:55] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[09:55] <wiitard> !install
[09:55] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[09:55] <IRCD_HELP_PLZ> any chance you might be of any assistance, im tryin to get hybrid IRCD going, i got eVERYTHING working,
[09:55] <emun> need help i get these errors when i try to enter root: su authentication error, or sudoers file : syntax error
[09:56] <amigamia> maybe i need to update the ubuntu version?
[09:56] <tigerflyer> emun, ubuntu doesnt use su
[09:56] <amigamia> they sent me this disc like around january :)
[09:56] <wiitard> HElp me install a tarball.
[09:56] <violot> emun: One sec, there is a link that fixes that
[09:56] <violot> Lemme find it
[09:56] <cge> wolverine: I don't remember very well - I haven't run Dapper since June, and always use cfdisk anyway. I think you can go to System/Administration/Discs or something of the sort. Either that or GParted might be on there.
[09:56] <petriborg> sigh so much always to do when installing new ubuntu
[09:56] <amigamia> brb
[09:56] <tigerflyer> violot, i thought u couldnt su with ubuntu?
[09:57] <violot> No, you have to just add a root password
[09:57] <wolverine> cge: k I'll try thanks for help
[09:57] <missing_> tiger: u can its sudo su
[09:57] <tigerflyer> what the crap?!?!?! i wasnt aware of that and ive been usuing ubuntu for a while... <shakes head> learn something new everyday
[09:57] <cge> wolverine: If you are comfortable with the terminal, you could also use cfdisk.
[09:57] <emun> tigerflyer, then i tried sudo -i and that failed
[09:57] <violot> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo#head-6357ee1f3ec93078a7d7cbc2c627208117e9499d
[09:58] <missing_> tiger: jajaj i used to use sudo gnone-terminal before tha
[09:58] <wolverine> cge: no right now I am on win
[09:58] <violot> emun: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo#head-6357ee1f3ec93078a7d7cbc2c627208117e9499d
[09:58] <cge> wolverine: Oh, then you could do the partitioning there.
[09:58] <cge> wolverine: If you know how to do that.
[09:58] <emun> violot, thanks
[09:58] <violot> No problem
[09:58] <tigerflyer> emun... did u try sudo su
[09:58] <tigerflyer> i just did it and it works
[09:58] <tigerflyer> wow... ims peeckless
[09:58] <petriborg> anyone know how to make that PC beep stop when you do auto-tab complete in a terminal
[09:58] <wolverine> cge: ok I know how to do partition but I think partition is not a problem
[09:59] <wiitard> Linux isnt my friend this stuff is too hard.
[09:59] <tigerflyer> petriborg, look in the sound preferences
[09:59] <wolverine> cge: its may be RAM which is I think not sufficeint
[09:59] <tigerflyer> i think thats how i made mine stop
[09:59] <n2diy> wiitard, so surrender to the dark side.
[09:59] <cge> wolverine: The idea is that it is filling up all of your RAM. So you can partition the drive manually so that you have a spare swap partition, and then use the mkswap and swapon commands in the liveCD to add the swap partition.
[09:59] <petriborg> tigerflyer: yeah i know its in there somewhere but my "pc speaker" is currently marked off but it is still beeping
[10:00] <wiitard> I dont even know how to install a tarball.
[10:00] <cge> petriborg: Use sudo rmmod pcspkr
[10:00] <wolverine> cge: anyway I'll search for minimum RAM requirement
[10:00] <wolverine> cge: k
[10:00] <wolverine> cge: I'll try
[10:00] <tigerflyer> petriborg, unplug ur pc speaker?
[10:00] <tigerflyer> haha
[10:00] <n2diy> wiitard, can you learn?
[10:00] <cge> tigerflyer: rmmod pcspkr is easier.
[10:00] <petriborg> tigerflyer: i mean the internal pc speaker
[10:01] <petriborg> this isn't a "speaker" but that little one that can go "beep" when you boot etc
[10:01] <tigerflyer> cge, i know... i wasnt being serious
[10:01] <cge> petriborg: Then use /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist to make sure that the pcspkr module is never loaded again.
[10:01] <Ganjadude> any chance you might be of any assistance, im tryin to get hybrid IRCD going, i got eVERYTHING working,
[10:01] <tigerflyer> petriborg, actually that noise does come from a tiny speaker inside... mine caught fire once
[10:02] <squid0> hi all. i've got 2 ubuntu machines (i'm asking here cause this relates to apt which is a debian invention TMK), and i need to upgrade both of them to the latest ubuntu release. however, i'll end up downloading many of the same files twice. is there some way that i can download only on the 1 box, and then somehow share them with the 2nd one, without foregoing the updating feature of using apt?
[10:02] <tigerflyer> filled my whole case with smoke... smelled like shit
[10:02] <petriborg> tigerflyer hah yeah a little tiny one in the case
[10:02] <cge> tigerflyer: I did that once with an IBook that had a tendency to make a horrible and extremely loud high-pitched squeal when coming out of sleep. I opened the case and cut the wires after it went off in a library.
[10:02] <squid0> *forget the parentheses...
[10:02] <tigerflyer> haha
[10:03] <juan>  im having x problems but have no idea what it is, all the autoconfigures are failing is this a good place to get help or is there anywhere better
[10:03] <cge> juan: If it isn't too obscure or complex, this is the best place.
[10:03] <Astrozombie> Can some one walk me through a Tarball install
[10:03] <cge> juan: If it is, then the ubuntu-users mailing list is probably the best place.
[10:04] <cge> juan: And if it is a problem like the problems I have, then you will have to solve them yourself and tell everyone how to fix it.
[10:04] <tigerflyer> is "lost+found" mandatory for a storage drive?
[10:04] <cge> tigerflyer: For ext2/ext3, yes.
[10:04] <tigerflyer> can i hide it?
[10:05] <thaz> Hi guys, if anyone would be nice and can answer me this simple question, is it possible to install a version of ubuntu on my computer, which uses a sata drive?
[10:05] <cge> tigerflyer: Not really, but why does that matter?
[10:05] <Astrozombie> any one can help me install HOSTAP?
[10:05] <juan> everytime i launch a program in a consol i get an unitialized input device error, however if i dont launch from console it runs fine what does it mean? and could it be messing with my auto config atempts
[10:05] <tigerflyer> thaz, yes
[10:05] <emun> hi i am getting error in the terminal window:  ...sudo ;parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 0
[10:05] <thaz> For AMD 64bit computing?
[10:06] <tigerflyer> i mean no
[10:06] <tigerflyer> sorry
[10:06] <tigerflyer> haha
[10:06] <thaz> meh
[10:06] <cge> emun: If you haven't set a root password then you are doomed, as you disobeyed the Commandment of Sudo: Only use visudo to edit sudoers.
[10:07] <cge> emun: More seriously, restart in single-user mode, and use visudo to edit /etc/sudoers back to a reasonable state. You might as well set a root password while doing so.
[10:08] <emun> cge, please help how do i remove this damnation please
[10:08] <mojojojo__> is it possible to limit bandwidth of update manager?
[10:08] <NightFire91> Free Hosting Doesn't come any better than this >> http://www.solarcombat.net/hosting.php
[10:08] <mojojojo__> i'm downlaoding edgy, but can't do a thing while updating
[10:09] <emun> how do i start in single user mode
[10:09] <violot> NightFire91, is that yours?
[10:09] <violot> I'd be interested
[10:09] <violot> :p
[10:09] <NightFire91> yes
[10:09] <NightFire91> :)
[10:09] <violot> Is that for real!?
[10:09] <cge> emun: Restart, and it should be an option in grub.
[10:09] <cge> emun: Probably as "recovery" or something.
[10:10] <Hit3k> anyone know anything that will convert cue/bin files to .mpeg?
[10:10] <petriborg> cge: i did the blacklist suggestion - thanks!
[10:10] <emun> cge, ok
[10:10] <cpk1> Hit3k: i think bchunk
[10:10] <cge> petriborg: That annoys me all the time.
[10:10] <Hit3k> cpk1, i couldnt get that to work
[10:10] <Hit3k> cpk1, it always returned .isos of 0mb
[10:10] <cpk1> Hit3k: why not? its pretty straightforward
[10:11] <cge> Hit3k: Use bchunk to convert it to an iso, then use mencoder or mplayer (I believe you want the latter) to convert it to mpeg.
[10:11] <petriborg> man is the edgy font defaults ugly
[10:11] <emun> cge, how do i use visudo to edit / etc/sudoers
[10:11] <cge> emun: Just run visudo.
[10:11] <cge> emun: Assuming you are root.
[10:12] <emun> ok cge  thanks i will try it bye for now
[10:12] <cge> emun: You want something like YOUR_USERNAME ALL=(ALL) ALL or %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL
[10:13] <cge> petriborg: It depends on the screen, I suppose. The default fonts looked nice on my 124 dpi screen when I was running Edgy.
[10:13] <juan> are there any howtos/guides for if my autocnigure keeps failing?
[10:13] <cpk1> you should be able to play it as an iso
[10:14] <cge> juan: If no one helps you here, the mailing list is probably the best place to ask.
[10:14] <juan> how do i join the mailing list?
[10:14] <Astrozombie> Anyone help me install hostap.
[10:15] <cge> juan: The forums might be better, actually, at ubuntuforums.org. But the mailing lists are at ubuntu.com/community/lists
[10:15] <juan> thx
[10:16] <Astrozombie> :'(
[10:17] <Hit3k> cpk1, after I mount the image do I just play it in mplayer?
[10:17] <magic_ninja> what up
[10:18] <Astrozombie> anyone alive
[10:18] <juan> thx i intend to sort that problem out there are there easy guides for either of the following tho? not having admin privilages when i login and setting up a webcam that isnt detected
[10:19] <cpk1> Hit3k: good question, lucky for you I found a video in bin cue format so i can test it
[10:21] <petriborg> sometimes waiting for stuff to download just sucks
[10:23] <alienseer23> hello, I just reinstalled edgy, and things aren't going so well
[10:23] <petriborg> sadness
[10:23] <chrissturm> i want to do a software raid. what features will lvm bring me?
[10:24] <squid0> alienseer23: i'm upgrading to edgy at the moment. what problems have you got (just curious)
[10:24] <squid0> ?
[10:24] <alienseer23> first...no sound with my creative sb 24 bit live
[10:24] <Edulix> hi
[10:24] <Edulix> how can I play (without converting the file to mpg) a flv video?
[10:24] <alienseer23> can't seem to get the video quite right
[10:24] <Edulix> I think there was a flvplayer or something like that
[10:25] <alienseer23> disks aren't shgowing up correctly
[10:25] <alienseer23> hard disks
[10:25] <petriborg> edulix i assume you tried VLC?
[10:25] <alienseer23> so far, that's abou tit, but for the hard drives, it lost ALOT of space somehow
[10:25] <georges> Hello
[10:25] <georges> i have one question!
[10:26] <alienseer23> I know my soundcard should work with alsa, it did in dapper
[10:26] <Edulix> petriborg: uhm
[10:26] <georges> Is any probleme when you add a card with serial ports
[10:26] <elkbuntu> ciplogic, what version of php are you trying to use?
[10:26] <ciplogic> I have ubuntu Feitsy, as update to the Edgy. My wanting is someone to help me enable PHP5 for Apache2, where both are installed. I know is not an edgy issue, but if someone know how to do it
[10:26] <tigerflyer> is there a way to check a hard drive for bad sectors... like if the head scratched the disk or not?
[10:27] <ciplogic> elkbuntu: PHP 5
[10:27] <georges> i need it, because i use an UPS with a serial control
[10:27] <elkbuntu> ciplogic, check that libapache2-mod-php5 is installed
[10:27] <georges> Someone could give me any information about configuration of this kind of cards?
[10:27] <ciplogic> elkbuntu: Yes, it is
[10:27] <Edulix> petriborg: yes it works! I had tried with kaffeine and the gnome video player and it didn't work but vlc works fine ;)
[10:28] <alienseer23> q: does ntfs work with edgy?
[10:28] <ciplogic> elkbuntu: it works until update to feitsy, the problem I think that is about registering PHP module to Apache
[10:28] <Atlas95> hello
[10:28] <georges> Somebody know something about serial cards??
[10:28] <cpk1> Hit3k: it looks like vlc and mplayer can both play isos so as soon as you have it to iso you should be able to play it fine
[10:28] <Atlas95> someone have the laptop "HP Compaq Nx9420" please?
[10:29] <cpk1> Hit3k: if you want to transcode it to something else mencoder is good but very confusing
[10:29] <Hit3k> thanks cpk1
[10:30] <Lynoure> Atlas95: I doubt they will give you theirs :) I have HP laptop in the NC82xx series, maybe I can help somehow?
[10:31] <Atlas95> not now but i want to know problem with their
[10:31] <violot> Anyone done fstab editing?
[10:31] <Atlas95> I will buy one ... the next week I think
[10:31] <Kabasa> happy
[10:31] <Atlas95> Lynoure: sound work? wireless? function key?all?
[10:31] <_linux> hi, im having fstab problmes, it would be a big help if someone would pastebin me theirs, so i can see what mine needs to be like
[10:32] <Lynoure> Atlas95: have you checked the Ubuntu laptop testing wiki yet?
[10:32] <Atlas95> yes
[10:32] <Atlas95> but it isn't in the list
[10:32] <Lynoure> Atlas95: and http://www.linux-laptop.net/ ?
[10:32] <Atlas95> yes
[10:33] <georges> is somebody know documaentation about multiserial ports cards?
[10:33] <Atlas95> and http://linlap.com/forum/index.php
[10:33] <Atlas95> but this site is empty lol
[10:34] <_linux> hi, im having fstab problmes, it would be a big help if someone would pastebin me theirs, so i can see what mine needs to be like
[10:34] <violot> Me too :P
[10:34] <Lynoure> Atlas95: mine works fine, but the hardware is no doubt different. You cannot buy it from a place that lets you try with livecd?
[10:34] <violot> I mounted my /dev/sdb1 at /media/harddisk2 with ext3 fs but don't know what to add for the rest
[10:35] <Atlas95> no :(
[10:35] <Atlas95> pcshop havn't it in france, near my house
[10:35] <Atlas95> I will buy it on the net
[10:35] <emacla> I'm an administrator, but when i tries to copy files to /usr/local/ it says i dont have permission!
[10:36] <petribor1> http://pastebin.com/845638
[10:36] <petribor1> violot and _linux there you go
[10:36] <Lynoure> Atlas95: Have you seen http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Gentoo_on_HP_Compaq_nx9420 ?
[10:36] <_linux> thank you!
[10:36] <emacla> I'm an administrator, but when i tries to copy files to /usr/local/ it says i dont have permission! Why?
[10:36] <violot> Thanks petribor1
[10:36] <violot> Did you change your name?
[10:36] <petribor1> now if only my ghost would die :(
[10:36] <petribor1> its a ghost violot
[10:36] <buz> for some reason it seems like it keeps hanging
[10:36] <Atlas95> yes but this in under gentoo and not complete
[10:37] <violot> a ghost?
[10:37] <Atlas95> bluetooth etc ...
[10:37] <petribor1> yeah i'm having a lot of random drops on my network right now
[10:37] <emacla> I'm an administrator, but when i tries to copy files to /usr/local/ it says i dont have permission! Why?
[10:37] <petribor1> i probably need to restart the router or something or beat comcast techs into submission again
[10:37] <buz> emacla: obviously you arent root
[10:37] <n2diy> emacla: you aren't the admin, unless you in invoke sudo.
[10:37] <Atlas95> I have allready use gentoo but now I don't want to lose time with building...
[10:37] <Lynoure> Atlas95: and http://developer.novell.com/yes/83624.htm says it is verified to work with Suse, so not the worst possible hw for Ubuntu either
[10:37] <violot> Do I need any options/stuff for a regular extra hard drive holding data?
[10:37] <Kabasa> Hi every body!!!
[10:37] <violot> 'Lo
[10:38] <emacla> n2diy: What's this sudo thing. This is my second day on linux...
[10:38] <petribor1> violot, i have examples of that there
[10:38] <Lynoure> Atlas95: yes, yes, but I meant that if it would not work with Suse or with Gentoo, not that much hope with Ubuntu
[10:38] <petribor1> http://pastebin.com/845638
[10:38] <violot> petribor1, which one?
[10:38] <Atlas95> Ok so all is working? Lynoure I hav't understand your last sentences
[10:38] <petribor1> the ones saying "mounting the other drives"
[10:38] <Atlas95> (sorry for english lol)
[10:38] <Atlas95> you say this is working or not working so?
[10:38] <violot> Should I put this: "errors=remount-ro"  What's it do?
[10:39] <n2diy> emacla: "sudo cp (filename)
[10:39] <n2diy> emacla: "sudo cp (filename)"
[10:39] <petribor1> violot - if you have a problem during boot where the drive cannot be mounted as read/write it will mount it as read-only
[10:39] <petribor1> so you can still get at the data
[10:39] <violot> I guess I want that
[10:39] <violot> And what is dump/pass?
[10:39] <Lynoure> Atlas95: you see for yourself from those links. I meant that if you see something that does not work with Suse or Gentoo, that's a red flag for Ubuntu too.
[10:40] <Atlas95> ha ok :) Lynoure
[10:40] <n2diy> emacla: man sudo.
[10:40] <emacla> n2diy: I want to copy a file from /home/emacla/Software/RARLinux/ to /usr/local. How do i do that?
[10:40] <alienseer23> noob question: how do I know which kernel version I need, is generic good enough, or should I switch?
[10:40] <Atlas95> but all seems working so, green flag :)
[10:40] <foo> Anyone know where I can get php5.2 from? I don't see it in   backports? I'm on dapper 6.06 server edition with a LAMP install.
[10:40] <violot> petribor1: And what is dump/pass?
[10:40] <petribor1> violot dump should always be 0 unless you know why, pass tells mount when to do things, you're root should *always* be 1
[10:41] <petribor1> sorry i was typing violot
[10:41] <Atlas95> thanks Lynoure
[10:41] <violot> no problem
[10:41] <Lynoure> Atlas95: there was something in the latter page about audio and headphone jack
[10:41] <petribor1> violot - secondary data drives should be 2 or higher
[10:41] <n2diy> emacla: sudo cp xxxxx......
[10:41] <violot> Okay, so I'll put it as 2
[10:41] <emacla> sudo cp filename?
[10:41] <violot> petribor1, thanks :)
[10:41] <petribor1> sure
[10:41] <harry> is there like a "BUZZ!!" in gaim just like in YMessenger? the '<ding>'
[10:42] <stefan_> hi
[10:42] <emacla> n2diy: sudo cp filename? How can i make the file come to /usr/local?
[10:42] <n2diy> emacla: sudo cp old.file new.file.
[10:42] <Atlas95> ho no :'(
[10:42] <violot> petribor1,  And if I want to remove a thing (iPod) I can just comment it out in fstab?
[10:42] <emacla> n2diy: Thanks!
[10:42] <stefan_> i installed a kdm theme. unfortunately there is a bad bug in it. i cant log on anyh
[10:43] <Atlas95> Lynoure: If the sound work only with the headphone jack, I have the same problem on my current laptop ! :'(
[10:43] <stefan_> more... how do i change it manually?
[10:43] <n2diy> emacla: nada
[10:44] <Yodude> hey can someone tell which is the best ubuntu version to get?
[10:44] <Yodude> is it 6.10 or 6.06?
[10:44] <Lynoure> Atlas95: Luckily laptop speakers do not have that good sound quality to start with.
[10:44] <petribor1> violot you don't put ipods in you're fstab
[10:44] <violot> Well, the how-to I read did :P
[10:44] <violot> If I don't use it, I can't just delete the entry though, right?
[10:44] <petribor1> violot can you please point it to me?
[10:45] <Yodude> help?
[10:45] <petribor1> violot yeah thats right, or put a "#" in front to comment it out
[10:45] <stefan_> anybody knows how to change kdm themes manually?
[10:45] <harry> is there like a "BUZZ!!" in gaim just like in YMessenger? the '<ding>'
[10:45] <violot> Okay, just making sure
[10:45] <violot> Thanks
[10:45] <petribor1> yodude - that would depend on what you want
[10:45] <violot> And I can remove it's folder where I mounted it to
[10:45] <Yodude> i want to run it on liveCD
[10:45] <Yodude> and i want the most stable and better one
[10:46] <Yodude> i hear 6.10 has got better features
[10:46] <Yodude> can you help me choose please?
[10:46] <petribor1> the more stable system is 6.06, but 6.10 does have better features
[10:46] <violot> 6.06 is more stable, but 6.10 has more features
[10:46] <petribor1> i used 6.06 for a long long time it works very well
[10:46] <violot> yeah
[10:46] <Yodude> like what?
[10:46] <stefan_> Yodude: depends on what u want to do...
[10:46] <violot> I was too slow XD  But too lazy to stop typing
[10:46] <Yodude> i want to surf the net, manage my D: hardrive
[10:47] <Yodude> enjoy a bug-free system
[10:47] <Yodude> and has a lot of programs
[10:47] <petribor1> those are all basic use 6.06 then
[10:47] <Yodude> ok
[10:47] <Yodude> 6.06 then
[10:47] <stefan_> Yodude: 6.06 is very stable.. but if u want to set up a beryl system take 6.10 ;-)
[10:47] <petribor1> if you want to play windows games or something use 6.10
[10:47] <Rageagainstthis> need some help with a setup of awn154 with ndiswrapper.  So far I have been able to install the drivers, but i dont think xubuntu detects the hardware.
[10:47] <Yodude> what do you mean  beryl system?
[10:47] <stefan_> Yodude: 3d
[10:47] <petribor1> beryl system is a set of updated 3d drivers
[10:48] <Yodude> well i'm not gonna use ubuntu for gaming
[10:48] <petribor1> then for sure use 6.06
[10:48] <petribor1> you'll be happy with it
[10:48] <Yodude> i just need it to run my nvidia geforce5200 to display itself
[10:48] <Yodude> that's all
[10:48] <n2diy> Yodude: Follow stefan_ advice, stay with 6.06, if you go for bleeding Edgy, you will bleed, stay with stable stuff.
[10:48] <petribor1> 6.06 should do that fine yodude
[10:48] <Yodude> i'm gonna use it for tasks that actually requie a *good* system lol
[10:49] <Yodude> i'll stick to 6.06 then
[10:49] <Yodude> thnx guys
[10:49] <stefan_> hm... nobodys got a clue how to change kdm themes manually?
[10:49] <Yodude> btw is ubuntu skinnable?
[10:49] <petribor1> i don't use kde sorry
[10:49] <petribor1> yes very yodude
[10:50] <Yodude> lol you got me there, i like looks pretty much, along with ease of use
[10:50] <Yodude> i'm gonna start downloading.... c u on linux!
[10:50] <kane77> Yodude, :D
[10:50] <kane77> Yodude, see you
[10:50] <Yodude> bye
[10:50] <Yodude> and thnx again
[10:51] <petribor1> >.<
[10:51] <Lynoure> stefan_: by manually you mean something else than through System settings?
[10:51] <petribor1> some people i swear
[10:51] <stefan_> Lynoure: yes.. by command line
[10:51] <solarcombat> Free Hosting Doesn't come any better than this >> http://www.solarcombat.net/hosting.php
[10:51] <Lynoure> stefan_: I'd be surprised if the kde-looks site did not have a howto on that
[10:51] <stefan_> Lynoure: cant logon anymore with kdm and cant use things like kdm_config or whatever...
[10:52] <Rob-West> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[10:52] <Rob-West> im getting this error for Kickservices for my IRCD
[10:53] <petribor1> rob-west you dont' have a compiler installed
[10:53] <petribor1> or so it would seem
[10:53] <stefan_> Lynoure: ill have a look.. problem is that i have to do everything in the command line..
[10:53] <Rob-West> how do i install it
[10:54] <petribor1> you can install all the compiler basics with "build-essential"
[10:54] <petribor1> rob-west - "build-essential" sorry
[10:54] <Lynoure> stefan_: I really cannot answer you without spending time to search it for you. And so far I do not even know what part of theme messed things up for you.
[10:54] <Rob-West> thanks
[10:55] <Lynoure> stefan_: you could also backup your settings and reconfigure kde (or maybe whole kubuntu-desktop)
[10:55] <stefan_> Lynoure: i just want to reset it to standard settings.
[10:55] <Captain_Haddock> I'm having trouble setting up samba on my box.. Can anybody help?
[10:55] <stefan_> Lynoure: sudo apt-get reconfigure kubuntu-desktop?
[10:56] <Captain_Haddock> When I visit smb://workgroup, I get a blank screen..
[10:56] <Captain_Haddock> and eventually a time-out message.
[10:56] <Lynoure> stefan_: almost
[10:56] <stefan_> Lynoure: but..
[10:56] <petribor1> Captain_Haddock: first what are you connecting, 2 linux or 1 linux and a win or what?
[10:56] <Lynoure> stefan_: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kubuntu-desktop
[10:56] <Captain_Haddock> petribor1: 2 linux and 1 win atm.
[10:57] <Plinty> where can I set default programs for specific file types?
[10:57] <stefan_> Lynoure: ok.. thanks a lot
[10:57] <Lynoure> stefan_: but as that might flatten all your settings, do at least copy them somewhere.
[10:57] <petribor1> Captain_Haddock: can any of them see each other better or are they all in the same state
[10:57] <cstextiles> My Edubuntu 6.06  Installtion stops after "Setting up ltsp-server(0.87)" message
[10:57] <cstextiles> A blank screen comes and then nothing happens even when i m in the F4 windows
[10:58] <stefan_> Lynoure: i will
[10:58] <Captain_Haddock> petribor1: The suse box and my win box can access each other fine. My kubuntu box is the one having trouble.
[10:58] <violot> Home is Ringo, 2nd Drive is George, Local Network Storage Drive is John, my online Server space is Paul
[10:58] <petribor1> so windows is the server then
[10:58] <violot> I'm not odd 0_o
[10:58] <Naik0> Hello, i got my pc screen on my tv via the svideo cable. But the image is black and white? How can i fix that
[10:58] <violot> no.
[10:58] <violot> It runs CentOS
[10:58] <Captain_Haddock> petribor1: and I can access kubuntu from my windows box fine as well.
[10:59] <petribor1> oh i see
[10:59] <petribor1> how very odd
[10:59] <violot> I only had 3 HDs I had access to here, so I added my one that I pay for :P
[10:59] <petribor1> can you mount the smb drive and see it in the console?
[10:59] <violot> I couldn't leave out Paul
[10:59] <violot> Me/
[10:59] <violot> Me?
[10:59] <Naik0> Hello, i got my pc screen on my tv via the svideo cable. But the image is black and white? How can i fix that
[10:59] <violot> I can see it in Nautilus
[10:59] <cstextiles> My Edubuntu 6.06  Installtion stops after "Setting up ltsp-server(0.87)" message
[10:59] <cstextiles> A blank screen comes and then nothing happens even when i m in the F4 windows
[10:59] <Captain_Haddock> petribor1: the smb drive?
[11:00] <Captain_Haddock> petribor1: I can access all files from my windows box.. would that imply that it's mounted?
[11:00] <petriborg> that was funny
[11:00] <petriborg> ok i must go boot the router in the head
[11:00] <petriborg> offline for a bit
[11:00] <Captain_Haddock> ok
[11:00] <Captain_Haddock> cheers
[11:01] <stefan_> Lynoure: u know what... i worked simply with startx ;-)
[11:01] <cezeta> Hi all...   I would like to ask something about ubuntu server 6.06 and 6.10, the filst one will have LTS /(long time support), the 6.10 will be LTS too?
[11:01] <candyban> Hi guys
[11:01] <cezeta> ad what is long time suuport excacly :D
[11:02] <gilnim> good mornin'
[11:02] <cezeta> (we are migrating from debian to ubuntu, but we need help finding the rigth ubuntu version :D
[11:02] <dorel__> what is the ubuntu equivalent to x-window-system-dev on debian?
[11:02] <janga> cezeta, 3years desktop, 5 years the server
[11:03] <candyban> I would like to use a remote esd for playing my sounds. I have started the esd with -tcp -public -port <port>, but how do I configure my other box to use the remote esd ?
[11:03] <cezeta> janga: thanks you..  can you explaind mee if 6.10 will have same suuport?
[11:03] <cezeta> (sorry 4 my english)
[11:03] <violot> dorel__, lemme look real quick, I had to install this a little bit ago
[11:03] <violot> I might remember where I saw it
[11:04] <janga> cezeta, 6.10 is not LTS, i think its only two years
[11:04] <light_> please, your help is needed. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=325957
[11:04] <light_> janga, 18 months i think
[11:04] <cezeta> so, for produccion servers you choose 6.06 ?
[11:05] <viller> hi
[11:05] <viller> I can't start Ubuntu. I checked the partition through livecd and the /dev folder doesn't contain hdd, hda or hdc. How is that possible? WHat can I do?
[11:06] <janga> cezeta, yes
[11:06] <Acidictadpole> well, im probably not going to be able to help viller, but is hdb there?
[11:06] <slicky> how do i restore the whole gnome session.. just delete the .gnome dirs in my ~ ?
[11:06] <cezeta> janga: thanks you dude :)
[11:06] <Flannel> viller: did you check the liveCDs /dev? or the harddrive itself?  (When you use the liveCD, it doesn't mount your HDs filesystem 'in place')
[11:07] <janga> cezeta, ur welcome
[11:07] <Flannel> viller: er, nevermind.
[11:07] <cezeta> janga: another question.. jejeje I know its a hard question here..  but we are migrating from debian 3.01 to ubuntu 6.06..  what is your opinnion?
[11:07] <violot> Is ~/bin not in the path in Ubuntu?
[11:08] <violot> I can't execute files in ~/bin from anywhere else
[11:08] <chrissturm> after adding a user, how can i let the user use sudo?
[11:08] <violot> Anyways, I'm gonna try to restart to test that I got the fstab entry correct
[11:08] <janga> cezeta, i never did that, but i would backup home and etc and reinstall from scratch.
[11:09] <candyban> chrissturm: checkout the example in /usr/share/doc/sudo
[11:09] <curs0r> http://123pichosting.com/images/4502Screenshot-2.jpg <-- p1mpz0r3d
[11:09] <petriborg> chrissturm - you need to add them to the sudoers file in /etc
[11:09] <chrissturm> cant i just add the user to the wheel group?
[11:09] <petriborg> no
[11:09] <candyban> chrissturm: you can if you add the wheel group in the sudoers file (check the example)
[11:10] <kkfoxcc> hi all
[11:10] <dorel__> umm, what's /lib/modules/`uname -r`/Build is for?
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[11:10] <Lynoure> cezeta: Why migrate now, when the new Debian release is due really soon? You already know it will not fit you well? (I use both Debian and Ubuntu myself, for different uses)
[11:10] <cezeta> janga: the migration will be a fresh install...  but i was talking about the change..  what do you think about ubuntu vs debian..  you use ubuntu, its stable?
[11:11] <cafuego__> plus 6.06 is already old <heh>
[11:11] <janga> cezeta, yes it is. solid rock!
[11:11] <candyban> cezeta: We use debian for servers and ubuntu for workstations
[11:11] <holycow> candyban, same here
[11:11] <cezeta> no, migrating no..    the think itswe bougth 4 new servers...  and, we NEED to install something..  we use in other places debian 3.01, but we are going to install ubuntu 6.06 ...   (that the question, and i ask this becouse i want to read opinions)
[11:11] <Lynoure> cezeta: Debian on servers and ubuntu on workstations for me too.
[11:12] <violot> w00t
[11:12] <chrissturm> i use ubuntu for servers and osx for workstations
[11:12] <holycow> cezeta, when using ubuntu server you MUST understand ubuntu thought
[11:12] <holycow> cezeta, please REMEMBER ubuntu freezes off of DEBIAN UNSTABLE every 6 months
[11:12] <cafuego__> cezeta: Depends on what the servers are going to do, most of the small office ones I install are Debian 3.1 these days
[11:12] <holycow> cezeta, thats DEBIAN UNSTABLE
[11:12] <holycow> cezeta, i seriously doubt you trully want to run a server that freezes off of unstable
[11:12] <Flannel> holycow: no it doesn't.
[11:13] <holycow> ubuntu only officially supports an x amount of packages as well
[11:13] <kkfoxcc> hi all
[11:13] <holycow> so you won't get the debian quality controll accross the repository
[11:13] <candyban> holycow: LTS might be off unstable, but since they'll support for so long, you can consider it stable (with more recent packages)
[11:13] <holycow> cezeta, ubuntu server is a terrrible idea period.
[11:13] <holycow> candyban, no you can't
[11:13] <chrissturm> holycow: probably thats the reason that ubuntu is certified for example for db2 and debian isnt
[11:13] <cezeta> will have game servers installed on (we are a game server company)
[11:13] <holycow> because all of debians repo is quality controlled
[11:13] <light_> please, your help is needed. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=325957
[11:13] <Flannel> holycow: ubuntu does not freeze off of unstable every six months
[11:13] <holycow> ubuntu only qc's th eofficially supported packages
[11:13] <holycow> and your still running 'unstable' version anyway.
[11:14] <violot> Why is Alacarte so buggy and slow!?
[11:14] <holycow> Flannel, dude please.  stop saying dumb things.
[11:14] <cezeta> and what about debian 4?  when he come out?
[11:14] <Flannel> holycow: stop being wrong.
[11:14] <kkfoxcc> cedga run the windows game on linux
[11:14] <kane77> how do I synchronize time?
[11:14] <holycow> *sigh* your an idiot.  read the website
[11:14] <candyban> kane77: use ntp or ntpdate
[11:14] <n2diy> why is it called unstable?
[11:14] <holycow> cezeta, so basically that is your rough math for deciding whether or not to run ubuntu server.
[11:15] <n2diy> because it is "unstable".
[11:15] <chrissturm> holycow: making more noise wont make your point more valid
[11:15] <Lynoure> kane77: With what? NTP is usually the answer
[11:15] <candyban> n2diy: because the packages may change dramatically ... the api, versions, etc are not stable.
[11:15] <holycow> Flannel, stop messeging me.  ubuntu freezes off of debian unstable.  if you didn't know that i'm terribly sorry.
[11:15] <candyban> n2diy: it has nothing to do with the stability of the system
[11:15] <holycow> but that IS what ubuntu is.  like it or not.
[11:16] <cezeta> sorry, i dont want to stat a fight :) I jast want information:D
[11:16] <chrissturm> cezeta: use ubuntu on servers, a lot of people do it
[11:16] <Lynoure> cezeta: fights are not very common here, normally
[11:16] <holycow> cezeta, its not a fight :)  there is only one set of data, i was only hoping to outline the rough lay of the land
[11:16] <holycow> cezeta, we do get in a rut and start to believe things that are inacurate tho
[11:16] <holycow> cezeta, thats where people start to  not like others explaining they are wrong
[11:16] <cezeta> ok..  thanks all you people..
[11:16] <holycow> and that is normal and fine
[11:16] <holycow> :)
[11:16] <n2diy> candyban: roger that, no it doesn't it has to do with the stability of the OS, no?
[11:16] <holycow> hopefully it helps
[11:17] <Arcad3> what shall i use from repositori or what how to.i vant to restrict a user..
[11:17] <cezeta> we have 4 servers to install linux on...  we will use two debian and two ubuntu..
[11:17] <candyban> cezeta: use whatever you are most familiar with on the server end. You are more likely to keep a windows server more secure if you know what you're doing ...
[11:17] <Lynoure> cezeta: Sounds like a bad idea!
[11:17] <cezeta> and I will have my own opinion, but..  IIts instresting to reed you guys
[11:17] <chrissturm> cezeta: just use ubuntu. you can even buy support for it if you need to
[11:18] <Lynoure> cezeta: It reduces work to have systems set as same as possible.
[11:18] <cezeta> Lynoure you say me to install ONE of them and die gith that?
[11:18] <candyban> n2diy: debian unstable COULD become less reliable because there are more changes, ...
[11:18] <Lynoure> cezeta: Assuming they are for production use and not for playing around.
[11:18] <Bhaskar> holycov , redhat and ubunto are in my system but while installing ubuntu, redhat is not appear while booting why?
[11:18] <cezeta> ok..  Its its better to have ONE i think I will use ubuntu 6.06
[11:19] <cezeta> Lynoure itx no a real produccion.. Its for game server....  so its no  SO CRITICAL.
[11:19] <violot> Why is emacs+gtk so unstable now!?
[11:19] <n2diy> candyban: Debiian? I'm not worriied about Debian, I ditched Debiian for Ubuntu. :)
[11:19] <candyban> n2diy: workstation side or server side?
[11:20] <Lynoure> cezeta: If you have time and resources, and want to experiment, take two aside, one for Debian, one  for Ubuntu, and see which you like best :)
[11:20] <kane77> ntpdate says no servers can be used...
[11:20] <Flannel> kane77: you have to give it a server, ntpdate ntp.ubuntu.com
[11:20] <cezeta> ok guys...   thanks for everything.
[11:20] <Arcad3> is there something in the repositories that can hel me restrict the way i want an user?
[11:20] <n2diy> candyban: Workstation, I'm not playing with servers here, just a SOHO
[11:20] <Lynoure> cezeta: I know some companies where game servers _are_ the production :)
[11:21] <holycow> cezeta, also go in #debian
[11:21] <holycow> and get their opinion too
[11:21] <viller> I can't start Ubuntu. I don't have hda, hdd, hdc in /dev
[11:21] <viller> what should I do?
[11:21] <holycow> ubuntu simply shouldn't be run as a server :)
[11:21] <holycow> people here beg to differ of course but most don't actually run production servers :)
[11:21] <candyban> n2diy: then ubuntu is more than fine.  :)
[11:21] <rob> ubuntu can be run as a server :D
[11:21] <kane77> Flannel, thanx...
[11:21] <ciplogic> viller: you have sda, sdb,e tc.
[11:21] <candyban> rob: so can windows :p
[11:21] <Arcad3> i run 6.06 as a server
[11:22] <cezeta> Arcad3 what you run on it?
[11:22] <viller> ciplogic: what will I do with those if I have a hdd?
[11:22] <cezeta> its stable for you?
[11:22] <Arcad3> verlihub shoutcst
[11:22] <rob> candyban: I do, at work :D
[11:22] <Arcad3> ...
[11:22] <n2diy> candyban: Very fine. :)
[11:22] <viller> ciplogic: they're for scsi drives
[11:22] <cafuego__> holycow: There's no problem with running it as a server at all. See, you can get PAID support from the manufacturer.
[11:22] <ciplogic> viller: SATA + new Ubuntu releases change the hda with sda
[11:22] <viller> should I reinstall Ubuntu AGAIN?
[11:22] <ciplogic> ciplogic: feisty is one of them
[11:23] <viller> ciplogic: change hda with sda?
[11:23] <viller> replace hda with sda?
[11:23] <ciplogic> viller: you may do next things: (but will take more time than reinstallling)
[11:23] <ciplogic> viller: at boot switch the grub command line
[11:23] <viller> ok
[11:23] <ciplogic> viller: 2nd: edit /etc/fstab to match your partitions
[11:24] <holycow> cafuego, we will agree to disagree for the most part, i will agree with you on the core set of apps that are officially supported.  if ones services are dependent ONLY on those absolutely.
[11:24] <ciplogic> if you have important data or settings: yes you should do the change
[11:24] <__osh__> Seeing that I could/can install ubuntu as a server, are there any server tools for me to use? Ncurses-based setups for printers and similar devices?
[11:24] <Rageagainstthis> i have installed wireless drivers for a airnet awn154 card.  Ndiswrapper shows the driver and hardware present but none of the indicators on the card light up.  CAnt' figure out what how to solve this problem.
[11:24] <petriborg> omg so much better
[11:24] <ciplogic> viller: elsewhere for me the installing take around a 15 minutes, much more than to face the changes of every file
[11:24] <petriborg> its so much nicer when you get the damn hardware going
[11:24] <ciplogic> viller: *much less
[11:25] <viller> ciplogic: but how will I know what /dev/file is my harddrive?
[11:25] <cafuego__> holycow: thing is, a lot of companies aren't interested in "you get get support via mailing lists or on irc". Debian is good, and if you have a sysadmin with half a brain it's not an issue, but sometimes corporate policy just doesn't allow the use of Debian, thus Redhat & Ubuntu.
[11:25] <Arcad3> is there a way to install php* on ubuntu?
[11:25] <holycow> cafuego, i run support for a few of those
[11:25] <ciplogic> viller: run fstab /dev/sda
[11:25] <Flannel> Arcad3: php5 and php4, on current versions
[11:25] <holycow> cafuego, its not so cut and dry
[11:25] <ciplogic> viller: secondly press P (cames from print)
[11:26] <ciplogic> viller: it display a list with all partitions
[11:26] <Arcad3> k thanks
[11:26] <cafuego__> holycow: Kinda is down here.
[11:26] <Flannel> !lamp | Arcad3
[11:26] <ubotu> Arcad3: LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[11:26] <petriborg> violot did you're old dapper x config work in edgy too?
[11:26] <Arcad3> php* are the php modules
[11:26] <cafuego__> holycow: banks for instance don't run Debian in their production environment.
[11:26] <ciplogic> viller: about / partition is enough the name of hda
[11:26] <holycow> cafuego, absolutely, i will agree with you there
[11:26] <holycow> cafuego, of course
[11:26] <holycow> cafuego, and thats really only beacuse ibm doesn' offer official suppot
[11:26] <cafuego__> holycow: But they'll happily run Redhat or Ubuntu
[11:27] <holycow> cafuego, but then my clients arent banks
[11:27] <holycow> heh
[11:27] <Bhaskar> holycow: problem in redhat with ubuntu
[11:27] <ciplogic> viller: at boot of grub you have the list of booting OS, and you press e (cames from Edit) and you will go to the line you want to change, secondly you will see all the comamnd
[11:27] <ciplogic> viller: somewhere there is your partition
[11:27] <holycow> cafuego, they will run ubunut? wow.  bit of a revelation :) i wanna deal with a bank that runs ubuntu
[11:27] <holycow> heh
[11:27] <holycow> cafuego, i find the corporate environment a lot more porous
[11:27] <cafuego__> holycow: same goes for some ISPs, they won't run it in production if they can't get support from the vendor.
[11:28] <holycow> cafuego, its just that you can't walk in and magically swap servers over
[11:28] <viller> ciplogic: I'm on the livecd now. There's no command fstab
[11:28] <holycow> its about building long term relatioships and support and backing it up
[11:28] <habeeb> Anyone knows if PS works with Crossover perfectly? When I say perfectly, I mean no crashes and shit.
[11:28] <cafuego__> holycow: now small busienss are a whole different kettle-o-fish
[11:28] <holycow> we can pretty much insert debian almost anywhere we want
[11:28] <holycow> but yes  not banks
[11:28] <viller> ciplogic: how do I start grub CLI while booting?
[11:28] <petriborg> you know if you found a bank that used linux for all their terminals i think i would be there in a second, i know way to much about how those damn ATMs work and its scary
[11:28] <holycow> cafuego, i deal with medium sized businesses mostly.  small business doesn't have money
[11:28] <petriborg> unpatched window boxes ::shuder::
[11:28] <ciplogic> viller: which Ubuntu linux do you have: dapper or Edgy?
[11:28] <viller> edgy
[11:29] <holycow> large businesses are out of my league right now
[11:29] <viller> ciplogic: and there's no sda also
[11:29] <viller> ciplogic: only sdc
[11:29] <viller> ciplogic: sorry scd
[11:29] <holycow> cafuego, i'm really and trully surprised no one has put together a company to support debian on servers tho
[11:29] <ciplogic> viller: does your hard drive is connected?
[11:29] <ciplogic> i mean as controller
[11:29] <viller> of course it is
[11:29] <hastesaver> How do I get Ubuntu to *not* clear /tmp on boot?
[11:30] <holycow> cafuego, absolutely there would be issues with release dates and such but for a server environment getting support for the entire repo or most of it anyway would be amazing
[11:30] <viller> the /dev folder is on that harddrive!
[11:30] <kaur> hi! my laptop's cpu temp is constantly about 49-50 C even when the laptop is not being heavily loaded. The fan starts to work when the temp reaches 50. That means that the fan starts almost all the time, blows untill cpu temp is about 48 and starts waiting for the next time:) Cpu being that hot is not actually normal or what?
[11:30] <ciplogic> viller: http://forum.ubuntu.ro
[11:30] <viller> nel, thanx...
[11:30] <ciplogic> viller: ls /dev/hda*
[11:30] <ciplogic> what shows to you?
[11:30] <cafuego__> hastesaver: Check /etc/init.d/bootclean
[11:30] <viller> ciplogic: lol I can't speak romanian
[11:31] <hastesaver> cafuego__, found it... but won't editing it break the next time I upgrade? :(
[11:31] <ciplogic> viller: (wrong cache at copy/paste :p )
[11:31] <cafuego__> hastesaver: nope
[11:31] <cafuego__> hastesaver: it will ask if you want tor epalce the file with a new one, and the default is 'N'.
[11:31] <freakytux> what will the system requirements be of feisty fawn?
[11:32] <cafuego__> freakytux: cpu, ram, power supply
[11:32] <holycow> freakytux, pretty much the same as for all things requiring linux kernels
[11:32] <holycow> not a whole lot
[11:32] <ciplogic> viller: are you registred at freenode?
[11:32] <holycow> you can get away with a pentium 700 and 512 megs ram or even 256
[11:32] <ciplogic> viller: to find where is the problem
[11:32] <cafuego__> storage would be nice but isn't essential :-)
[11:32] <Bhaskar> holcoy: running redhat and ubuntu while booting, just ubuntu only appears???
[11:32] <freakytux> oke, thanks
[11:32] <holycow> if you have a modern nvidia card you can even play with beryl and things like that if you want
[11:32] <viller> ciplogic: why should I be registered at freenode?
[11:32] <freakytux> don't really need beryl
[11:32] <viller> ciplogic: I am but still
[11:33] <flossgeek> holycow:Intel based graphic chips are better
[11:33] <ciplogic> viller: to not see here the output of commands :)
[11:33] <kaur> Those of you who are running ubuntu on dual core laptop, could you please tell me your cpu temp?
[11:33] <Bhaskar> holycow: running redhat and ubuntu while booting, just ubuntu only appears???
[11:33] <holycow> Bhaskar, depends on how you installed stuff ... make sure that you have an entry in /boot/grub/menu.lst for your redhat installation
[11:33] <holycow> Bhaskar, you may need to google the correct entry information
[11:33] <cafuego__> kaur: temp sensors not supported
[11:34] <kaur> cafuego_:ok
[11:34] <holycow> Bhaskar, as long as you have the proper entries in the file above, you will get an option to boot from the other os's on your system
[11:34] <viller> ciplogic: I think I'll just reinstall that shitty Ubuntu
[11:34] <petriborg> i wish the temp readings worked but they don't :(
[11:34] <holycow> Bhaskar, is that what you were looking for?
[11:34] <cafuego__> flossgeek: intel based graphics chips don't work right
[11:34] <holycow> flossgeek, actually no, i meant a real nvidia card with gobs of onboard ram and latest gpu are really tops
[11:34] <flossgeek> cafuego: I have no issues
[11:34] <ciplogic> viller: yes, Linux is all about options, next time make backup before updates
[11:34] <holycow> flossgeek, intel is better for their open sourcing some of their drivers i guess
[11:34] <cafuego__> flossgeek: try running google earth or secondlife
[11:34] <holycow> flossgeek, i meant performance wise anyway :)
[11:35] <flossgeek> holycow:exactly and runs out of box for aiglx
[11:35] <ciplogic> viller: feisty will force you to change names to sda from hda
[11:35] <holycow> flossgeek, correct, i'm actually going to be standardizing on them too
[11:35] <cafuego__> flossgeek: google earth here only zooms 1/4 of the screen anfdd secondlife just crashes X altogether
[11:35] <viller> ciplogic: it has nothing to do with updates
[11:35] <holycow> flossgeek, i trully trully want to support amd but i cannot stand the chipsets those mobos ship with any more
[11:35] <flossgeek> cafuego: there are fixes for that
[11:35] <kaur> is there a channel for laptop support?
[11:35] <gnomefreak> ciplogic: it shouldnt feisty should use UUID instead
[11:35] <ciplogic> gnomefreak: what it is the solution for partitions that are not found?
[11:36] <cafuego__> flossgeek: Spending $100 on an nvidia card was more economic :-)
[11:36] <ciplogic> gnomefreak: like legacy Windows partitions?
[11:36] <gnomefreak> ciplogic: for feisty help join #ubuntu+1
[11:37] <holycow> *hmm*
[11:37] <flossgeek> cafuego: sure i have a machine with a nvidia card as well, but been ticked off with the security flaws and the fact that they are igronant to open source
[11:37] <holycow> i never was a huge fan of replacing metacity with something like beryl but i think i'm sold
[11:37] <hastesaver> cafuego__, ok, thanks. I needed this because I've lost stuff a couple of times because of a power cut (they're frequent here, and my UPS is useless)
[11:37] <flossgeek> just remember people that AIGLX and XGL are experimental right now there will be bugs
[11:37] <cafuego__> flossgeek: Yeah, there was a time when I cared it wasn't open, but these days I'm much more interested in just having stuff work.
[11:38] <holycow> what flossgeek said is correct
[11:38] <holycow> its PRE PRE alpha
[11:38] <flossgeek> cafuego: yes, but my experience with the intel chip is beter out of box less work to set up
[11:38] <holycow> beryl crashes this box all the time, not recommended for anything but testing and toying around
[11:38] <kaur> Is there any reasonable explenation why my laptop's cpu temp sometimes doesn't go higher than about 43-46 C and sometimes it rises to about 49-50 and doesn't get lower?
[11:38] <Gosha> !wxwidgets
[11:39] <holycow> flossgeek, my only thing with intel is that one arm of their company will play nice and open source stuff
[11:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wxwidgets - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:39] <cafuego__> flossgeek: I'll reconsider them if and when theyd ecide to ship mobos with DVI connectors, but not sooner.
[11:39] <holycow> flossgeek, but overall the company is still not really talking to the gnu commuinty
[11:39] <holycow> and refuse to help out with apis and documentation and stuff
[11:39] <flossgeek> holycow: which company
[11:39] <holycow> intel
[11:40] <p0l> n0=23-net: Random serverSERVER:irc.23-net.org:6667GROUP:23-net
[11:40] <flossgeek> holycow:maybe not but the have released there drivers as open source isnt that a step foward
[11:40] <holycow> flossgeek, absolutely i will give them that
[11:42] <PrimeHex|Games> rawr
[11:42] <kane77> does xubuntu come with open office on the cd??
[11:43] <holycow> PrimeHex|Games, heh
[11:43] <kkfoxcc> ddddddd
[11:43] <PrimeHex|Games> holycow: viva pinata is effing sweet, who whould've thought FARMING PINATAs would be fun?
[11:43] <PrimeHex|Games> lol
[11:44] <holycow> i will never know
[11:44] <holycow> i cannot stand the thought of giving bill gates a single penny
[11:44] <holycow> :) but it sounds devilish
[11:44] <flossgeek> how come microsoft get all stick aint apple just as bad
[11:45] <holycow> apple is worse infact
[11:45] <flossgeek> exactly
[11:45] <gnomefreak> kkfoxcc: xubuntu install should have OO.o on it but i dont remember for sure
[11:45] <diskus> I don't seen anything bad in microsoft or apple, they are just doing money
[11:45] <diskus> business
[11:45] <holycow> but they are small enough not to have a huge effect on the market
[11:45] <holycow> so sticking apple is like poking a dead horse with a stick
[11:45] <holycow> it twitches but its not a lot of fun :)
[11:45] <Lathiat> holycow: how is apple 'worse'?
[11:46] <holycow> Lathiat, heh i will leave my rant for offtopic chan :)
[11:46] <flossgeek> isnt JObs being investigated with fraud
[11:46] <holycow> i don't know i don't pay any attention to that company
[11:47] <flossgeek> diskus: yes it is a business and so is open source a business model dont forget that, but microsoft have been very dirty with there tactics.