[03:34] <Abnix> umm, silly question I think, but what do I have to install here to get 'make' ? (please be specific)
[03:34] <jramsey> Abnix, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[03:35] <Abnix> ty
[03:35] <jramsey> Abnix, yw
[03:35] <Flannel> hou5ton: there are no dapper backports, yet.  so, comment those lines out.  But yeah, all the breezys become dappers.
[03:35] <icyvapor> well.. then I'm confused more. Each time it won't work by default.. I have to open up the network-admin and open the interface properties for current connection... in it, changing "key type" from Hex to Plain(Ascii) does the trick.. but I've no idea why
[03:35] <icyvapor> although I'm not using a WEP
[03:36] <cjfp> my glxgears doesn't report fps, any ideas?  glxinfo works and DRI is yes.  using breezy.
[03:36] <jramsey> !info LZO
[03:36] <tahorg> icyvapor: mmh, something might be wrong in you configuration
[03:36] <jramsey> !info LZ0
[03:36] <hou5ton> Flannel:  ok ... that leaves security, multiverse and universe ... sound right?
[03:37] <Flannel> and main, hou5ton
[03:37] <icyvapor> yea.. probably..
[03:37] <tahorg> icyvapor: try to edit /etc/network/interfaces
[03:37] <Flannel> !tell cjfp about glxgears
[03:37] <tahorg> icyvapor: and remove every 'wireless-key' line
[03:37] <jramsey> !info ruby
[03:37] <ubotu> ruby: (An interpreter of object-oriented scripting language Ruby), section interpreters, is optional. Version: 1.8.2-1 (breezy), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 96 kB
[03:37] <tahorg> icyvapor: you are using an open access point ?
[03:38] <cjfp> Flannel: it would help if there were also a man page!?!
[03:38] <basilio> hi all
[03:38] <icyvapor> tahorg: yea.. I will have a look at it and see what I can change, thx
[03:39] <basilio> im a newbie in all these linux
[03:39] <basilio> if there any way that i can copy a .doc from my winxp partition to my linux partition?
[03:39] <Syco54645> i was wondering how i can disable the ctrl alt + thing in xorg,
[03:39] <Abnix> ok, where would I put a command that I want to execute before X attempts to start?
[03:40] <pyrotic> Gentoo Guru's ?
[03:40] <Abnix> are you *trying* to start a fight?
[03:40] <pyrotic> me?
[03:40] <richiefrich> pyrotic, ?
[03:40] <jramsey> anyone know what the LZO library is?  i need it to build grub
[03:40] <pyrotic> richiefrich hey
[03:41] <richiefrich> pyrotic,  what u want with gentoo
[03:41] <pyrotic> richiefrich was going to install it on my other drive, but I don't even know where to begin...
[03:41] <chowells> jramsey: apt-cache search lzo
[03:41] <richiefrich> pyrotic, i can help
[03:41] <richiefrich> pyrotic, come to my channel
[03:41] <pyrotic> richiefrich k.
[03:41] <cjfp> ok, now zsnes hangs my desktop when i try to enter full screen.
[03:41] <pyrotic> richiefrich invite me.
[03:42] <high-freq> ok...can someone plz tell me why lspci isn't listing *any* of my pcmcia cards?
[03:42] <jramsey> chowells, txs
[03:42] <high-freq> i just did a fresh install..got xorg up...so now what?
[03:42] <cjfp> correction, it dies and i have to kill it from the console, and then my desktop resolution is stuck at 1024x768 and i still have to kill X.
[03:42] <jramsey> chowells, the pkg name is lzop ... that's why i couldnt find it
[03:42] <agraupe> is there a way to test if my wifi card is working without having an AP nearby?  I want to make sure my card is working before I spend money on a wireless router
[03:43] <high-freq> do lspci see if it detects it
[03:43] <chowells> jramsey: are you sure it's not liblzo1 and liblzo-dev
[03:43] <gdb> My X is stuck at 640x480 and it's the only resolution offered on the control panel for it.  How can I get in there and enable it to run 1024x768?
[03:43] <chowells> high-freq: because they aren't PCI devices
[03:43] <jramsey> chowells, must be somethign else because ./configure still whines about it ... lemme try that
[03:43] <high-freq> gdb: u can edit the xorg.conf yourself or redo    dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:43] <gdb> Thanks, high-freq.
[03:43] <high-freq> chowells: ok...whts ocmmand to check it then?
[03:44] <chowells> high-freq: 'cardctl status'
[03:44] <high-freq> k
[03:44] <jramsey> chowells, yep liblzo-dev ... ty
[03:45] <high-freq> chowells: ok says 5v 16 bit PC card... function 0: [ready]
[03:45] <bur[n] er> can anyone recommend a gui .wav to .mp3 encoder?
[03:45] <chowells> cardctl config too, maybe. depends what you're looking for
[03:45] <high-freq> chowells: on website for the specs it says it uses the prism 2.5 driver
[03:46] <chowells> bur[n] er: KAudioCreator can do that I think
[03:46] <propheteer> bur[n] er, i'd suggest grip or soundjuicer, and use FLAC or vorbis.
[03:46] <bur[n] er> how about a gtk one? ;)
[03:46] <chowells> no idea
[03:46] <propheteer> bur[n] er, those two are gtk so you don't have to deal with ugliness.
[03:46] <bur[n] er> flac and/or vorbis don't work on my car mp3 cd player or i'd be all about ogg :)
[03:46] <maik> moin+
[03:46] <bur[n] er> sound juicer won't do it
[03:46] <bur[n] er> I'll try grip though
[03:47] <propheteer> what do you mean it won't do it?
[03:47] <BrunnoPE> i want to download the latest version of dapper but i don't know if it's the "beta 2" or the "flight 7", anyone can help me ?
[03:47] <bur[n] er> sound juicer only goes from cd
[03:47] <high-freq> chowells: said socket 0:  Vcc 5.0v  Vpp1 5.0v  Vpp2 5.0v
[03:47] <bur[n] er> as far as I can tell
[03:47] <chowells> high-freq: so what's the problem?
[03:47] <high-freq> chowells: for the cardctl config
[03:47] <gdb> high-freq: Thanks for the tip.  That dpkg-reconfigure command is what I was looking for.
[03:47] <maik> some german people around?
[03:47] <propheteer> bur[n] er, what application is this for?  just for listening to music off your computer?
[03:47] <propheteer> maik, nein.
[03:47] <high-freq> chowells: how do i enable it?
[03:47] <maik> lol propheter
[03:47] <propheteer> bur[n] er, unless you have some specific need for mp3 format, i would avoid it at all costs.
[03:47] <bur[n] er> propheteer: i'm going to convert a bunch of .wav's I have to .mp3 so I can burn them to an mp3 cd for use in my car
[03:47] <propheteer> oh.. :(
[03:48] <propheteer> sucks that more car cd players don't support vorbis.
[03:48] <bur[n] er> i've never seen an ogg cd player :\
[03:48] <bur[n] er> i know
[03:48] <propheteer> grip is great.
[03:48] <high-freq> chowells: been workin on this for a few days now ;(  can't seem to get it working... its even a prism2.5 card so i dunno
[03:48] <propheteer> you can have it use lame.
[03:48] <bur[n] er> i've used grip in the past
[03:48] <chowells> high-freq: have you tried modprobe'ing the right driver?
[03:48] <bur[n] er> how do I get it to convert the .wav's I have?
[03:48] <maik> i`ve got a problem !i`am an bloody ubuntu starter
[03:49] <high-freq> chowells: which ones tho... prism_cs  says it uses the prism 2.x
[03:49] <maik> and i want to know how to install something!!??
[03:49] <atomic0x> Hey ladies and gent's.  Has anyone installed flight7 onto a usb drive?  I'm having trouble booting it from mine :(
[03:49] <chowells> high-freq: not sure, sorry
[03:49] <jramsey> maik, what?
[03:49] <high-freq> chowells: ok ;(
[03:49] <hyphenated> atomic0x: #ubuntu+1
[03:49] <Abnix> ok, where would I put a command that I want to execute before X attempts to start?
[03:50] <moua> hi, i can't log into root nor type sudo, however i can be root if i log into a classic user and type su
[03:50] <bur[n] er> propheteer: grip has the same issue as sound juicer, I can't seem to get it to load my .wav's to encode them
[03:50] <CyaniCs|E> in "/etc/init.d"
[03:50] <mcr> It seems that I've purchased what I thought was a hard PCI modem, but may in fact be an LTmodem. I'm willing to try ltmodem, etc. if I can get it easily on ubuntu. This is for a friends' computer (rescuing him from XP).
[03:50] <moua> i have "bad password"
[03:50] <propheteer> bur[n] er, oh!  yeah...they are geared toward cd ripping.
[03:50] <propheteer> bur[n] er, then why don't you just run something from the command line?
[03:50] <propheteer> just use lame.
[03:51] <jramsey> xbox_guru, u get ur wireless set up?
[03:51] <propheteer> lame <settings> *.wav
[03:51] <xbox_guru> jramsey, no I didn't
[03:51] <jramsey> xbox_guru, ahhh sry 2 hear that
[03:51] <xbox_guru> I'm putting ndiswrapper back onto the compuer
[03:51] <xbox_guru> *computer
[03:51] <bur[n] er> propheteer: will that work like this... 01.wav -> 01.mp3 and 02.wav -> 02.mp3?
[03:52] <xbox_guru> updating it
[03:52] <xbox_guru> jramsey: what do I need to run before I extract the file
[03:52] <CyaniCs|E> #bur[n] er renaming the file? or converting to mp3?
[03:52] <jramsey> xbox_guru, what file? u mean the ndiswrapper module?
[03:53] <xbox_guru> yes, from the sourceforge website
[03:53] <xbox_guru> jramsey, I want to have the most upto date version
[03:54] <propheteer> bur[n] er, yeah
[03:54] <propheteer> after upgrading to dapper drake (what kind of animals is a drake?!) i can't use my sound or networking.
[03:55] <bur[n] er> propheteer: try using an older kernel?
[03:55] <shoofle> drake is a dragon or a duck
[03:55] <shoofle> of some kind
[03:55] <bur[n] er> propheteer: did you do a "hard" shutdown and leave it off for a sec?
[03:55] <swissbear> have I to restart after have installed nw codecs?
[03:55] <jramsey> xbox_guru, try this http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Ubuntu
[03:55] <bur[n] er> swissbear: only the application
[03:56] <swissbear> it seams totem doesn't see the w32codecs
[03:56] <propheteer> hmm...the older kernel is a thought!
[03:56] <shoofle> everyone should read www.xkcd.com it's my brother's comic!
[03:58] <malegria> hi. i'm new to linux, trying ubuntu. one of those windows-questions (sorry): in windows' explorer there is a file tree on the left side that shows the folders while on the right side you can see subfolders and files. is there a way to have something similar in ubuntu (breezy badger, gnome)?
[03:59] <xbox_guru> brb
[03:59] <jramsey> malegria, did u check side pane
[03:59] <DBO> malegria, open your file browser in gnome, in the left panel you will see a pull down menu that probably says places, pull it down and select tree
[03:59] <robertj_> that side bar has a few different modes, change Places to "Tree"
[03:59] <malegria> Places?
[03:59] <jramsey> browser/view/side pane
[03:59] <malegria> ah, ok
[03:59] <jramsey> then do what robertj_ said
[04:00] <malegria> it's that easy...
[04:00] <malegria> thanks
[04:00] <jramsey> yw
[04:00] <DBO> its that easy =)
[04:00] <KaosX> any linux sysAdmins in here?
[04:00] <DBO> linux is the OS made for the people, by the people.  not for the money by the corporations =)
[04:00] <DBO> KaosX, I been called that before, whats your issue?
[04:01] <jramsey> and linux has no "gates", metaphorically speaking ;)
[04:01] <gamma> actually most of the linux advancements are corporate driven :P
[04:01] <DBO> gamma, shhhhhhhh
[04:01] <gamma> lol
[04:01] <malegria> next one: (how) can i change the standart folder for my files (the one that is opened when saving files and stuff)
[04:01] <KaosX> I have my final round interview with a large company on friday, Ive passed the windows and OS X ones with flying colors but Ive only really had my schooling on linux and not much else
[04:02] <KaosX> I wanted to know what you think are the most important things a linux admin should know
[04:02] <gamma> KaosX: never type rm -fr /
[04:02] <gamma> :D
[04:02] <jramsey> lol
[04:02] <userbn> lue
[04:02] <malegria> gamma: and what's that?
[04:02] <KaosX> lol
[04:02] <jramsey> malegria, forget that cmd
[04:03] <gamma> removes all the files on the filesystem.... never learn that
[04:03] <KaosX> i would NEVER do that
[04:03] <DBO> KaosX, self-confidence.  You wont ever know everything, but you know if you have to, you can figure it out.  Also knowing a good bit of LDAP + Samba is not a bad start
[04:03] <malegria> good to know...
[04:03] <gamma> yea I'd familiarize yourself with the syntax of the samba configs
[04:04] <KaosX> The want more of a linux tech, but I like to go a step up.
[04:04] <KaosX> Ive set up samba before, ill list that on my to do list to brush up on though
[04:04] <KaosX> anything else?
[04:05] <DBO> LDAP, ProFTPD, Samba, Kernel Compilation, EVMS, RAID...
[04:05] <xbox_guru> jramsey: I got It!!!!!!!!
[04:05] <KaosX> ive used VSFTPD
[04:05] <DBO> if you must =P
[04:05] <Abnix> ok, where would I put a command/entry that I want to execute before X attempts to start?
[04:05] <KaosX> lol
[04:05] <xbox_guru> DBO/jramsey: I got the drivers for my Network adapter to work!!!!
[04:06] <DBO> Also knowing SLES 9 is good because it has NDS KaosX
[04:06] <jramsey> xbox_guru, you da man!!!
[04:06] <KaosX> ohhh NDS   yeehaw
[04:06] <malegria> can anybody tell me how can i change the standart folder for my files (the one that is opened when saving files and stuff)?
[04:07] <KaosX> you want to go out of your home dir?
[04:07] <DBO> KaosX, NDS is fantastically better than AD and anyone who says otherwise is a microsoft lover =)
[04:07] <xbox_guru> jramsey: thanks, I got ndiswrapper to work, I finally figured out that you had to be in that directory to unpackage things
[04:07] <jramsey> xbox_guru, sure ... np and enjoy ur untethered network!!!!
[04:07] <nickrud> malegria, the best thing is to navigate to a dir you want to save files to and add it to your bookmarks
[04:08] <KaosX> ndiswrapper is pretyy damn slick
[04:08] <malegria> KaosX: i'm using a fat32 partitition for a whole bunch of files (still switching...)
[04:08] <KaosX> I think I might actually have SLES 9 laying around here somewhere
[04:08] <KaosX> well you could do one of a few things
[04:08] <xbox_guru> jramsey: thanks
[04:08] <KaosX> you can change your home directory
[04:08] <jramsey> xbox_guru, yw
[04:09] <jose> nas
[04:09] <xbox_guru> I'll talk to you guys in a little bit
[04:09] <KaosX> or (cmiiw guys) symlink your homedir to that fat32 drive
[04:09] <jramsey> xbox_guru, c ya
[04:09] <jonny> s
[04:09] <malegria> i think the bookmark-way should work
[04:10] <NeoGeo64> help, i installed the nvidia drivers, i set my xorg config to nvidia and now i cant boot x
[04:10] <cjfp> ok, how do i get a package from dapper drake, using breezy?
[04:10] <DBO> KaosX, if you want to continue your previous discussion, the best place will be #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:10] <KaosX> gotcha
[04:10] <cjfp> i would like a newer version of zsnes than 1.40.
[04:11] <malegria> KaosX: tried that but didnt make it
[04:11] <NeoGeo64> anyone know why i cant boot x?
[04:11] <KaosX> youll probably have to alter your profile then
[04:11] <PORDO> has anyone gotten an MVOX mv100 to work with linux?
[04:12] <malegria> in OOo for example, i always have to search the other folder.
[04:12] <outlawcrook> ok what was the fix comand again
[04:12] <outlawcrook> if i mess up x server i think it is
[04:12] <nickrud> outlawcrook, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:12] <PORDO> Setting up libsexy2 (0.1.7-0ubuntu5) ... <--- ??
[04:12] <nickrud> outlawcrook, choose the nv driver
[04:12] <DBO> PORDO, got that one too, was curious like you
[04:13] <outlawcrook> what is this error i am getting
[04:13] <outlawcrook> Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy_universe_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[04:13] <DBO> PORDO, libsexy2 is a collection of gtk+ widgets
[04:14] <nickrud> malegria, ah, open office. A sec
[04:14] <NeoGeo64> help, i installed the nvidia drivers, i set my xorg config to nvidia and now i cant boot x
[04:15] <malegria> nickrud, there's a link to the "standart folder"
[04:15] <mnob07> hey
[04:15] <malegria> nickrud, but thats not where i have my files
[04:15] <nickrud> malegria, you want to go to the openoffice menu item tools->options.  I JUST installed it, all I rememebr is putting Mike as the user name and my normal password but when booting it up they won't log me on?
[04:17] <malegria> nickrud, perfect! thanks.
[04:17] <NeoGeo64> i assume no one can help me lol
[04:17] <NeoGeo64> oh well time to delete linux and go back to windows xp
[04:17] <outlawcrook> what nvidia driver sdo i get for the 6600GT?
[04:17] <nickrud> mnob07, are you making sure you use Mike, not mike
[04:17] <Mitsurugi> no don't
[04:17] <Mitsurugi> whats your probelem neogeo64?
[04:17] <outlawcrook> from the synaptic package manager
[04:17] <NeoGeo64> i installed the nvidia drivers, i set my xorg config to nvidia and now i cant boot x
[04:18] <tonyyarusso> mnob07: Well, that's a bit of a pickle.  I take it you're on another computer next to it?
[04:18] <NeoGeo64> i did everything right
[04:18] <Mitsurugi> i have that probelm too neogeo
[04:18] <Mitsurugi> what nvidia card are you using?
[04:18] <mnob07> omg "mike" worked thank you so much
[04:18] <tonyyarusso> mnob07: Have you tried both Mike and mike as usernames?
[04:18] <tonyyarusso> mnob07: Hah, nice.
[04:18] <mnob07> but I would swear that I capitalized the M during setup
[04:18] <NeoGeo64> ti 4200
[04:19] <tonyyarusso> mnob07: I'm not sure it lets you use capitals.
[04:19] <mnob07> ahhh
[04:19] <malegria> anybody knows a good wine-tutorial for beginners?
[04:19] <nickrud> it does, caps matter
[04:19] <DBO> NeoGeo64, have you looked at your xorg.0.log for clues?
[04:19] <outlawcrook> how do you do a apt-get update
[04:19] <tonyyarusso> nickrud: So are you thinking he just forgot the cap?
[04:19] <DBO> outlawcrook, "sudo apt-get update"
[04:20] <nickrud> tonyyarusso, I saw Mike --> caps, issue :)
[04:20] <Mitsurugi> DBO; how do you look at that log?
[04:20] <NeoGeo64> DBO, no
[04:20] <NeoGeo64> i dont know how to do much command line stuff
[04:20] <NeoGeo64> heh
[04:20] <NeoGeo64> well i do but i dont like vim
[04:20] <mutrooo> hi guys
[04:21] <DBO> Mitsurugi and NeoGeo64, cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | less
[04:21] <mutrooo> this is my first time using ubuntu
[04:21] <DBO> mutrooo, welcome to a brave new world, but with more toast
[04:21] <nickrud> NeoGeo64, then use nano, it's easier
[04:21] <p47> why ubuntu show me this "compiz.real: No composite extension" ?
[04:21] <mutrooo> thanks DBO
[04:22] <DBO> p47, you have to add the compiz extension into your xorg.conf
[04:22] <DBO> !compiz
[04:22] <ubotu> parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, DBO
[04:22] <nickrud> p47, no clue, but the people on #ubuntu-glx may help
[04:22] <DBO> nuts... not factoid yet
[04:22] <mutrooo> where can i learn more about ubuntu
[04:22] <DBO> !wiki
[04:22] <nickrud> mutrooo, wiki.ubuntu.com & help.ubuntu.com
[04:22] <Mitsurugi> DBO: nothing shows up it just says (end) at the bottom
[04:22] <DBO> mutrooo, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[04:23] <DBO> mutrooo, also feel free to ask any questions you have right here
[04:23] <p47> DBO how ? I don't undesrtand the people in xgl not answer ! and I trired to read and read adn read in the wiki's
[04:23] <DBO> Mitsurugi, that stinks
[04:23] <_JECKEL_> hello all
[04:23] <_JECKEL_> anybody got any suggestions for mouse icons?
[04:23] <mnob07> wow I could not have start out at ubuntu any n00bier trying to login for 10 minutes using "Mike" when the user name was "mike" XD now I have to get my Linksys WUSB54G USB wireless adapter working... but I don't have much time today so maybe tomorrow
[04:23] <nickrud> p47, then try #ubuntu+1. You won't get help with xgl here, no offence meant
[04:23] <Mitsurugi> DBO: what does it mean though?
[04:24] <xbox_guru> really quick, when I do my wep key, what settings should I use
[04:24] <xbox_guru> its 128kbit encription
[04:24] <MagicFa1> I wouldn't use WEP
[04:24] <nickrud> _JECKEL_, mouse icons?
[04:24] <DBO> p47, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=131267 its mentioned in the first post
[04:25] <p47> nickrud : the people in ubuntu+1 said me that I have to go to xgl and in cgl nothing answer me
[04:25] <_JECKEL_> yeah
[04:25] <Samuli^> mnob07, that's a curse word after an another :)
[04:25] <DBO> Mitsurugi, it means its bailing really early on
[04:25] <_JECKEL_> wanna change the look of the pointer and such
[04:25] <KaosX> Well Im off to try to shrink my hfs partition and install ubuntu onto my ibook
[04:25] <Samuli^> usb, wireless, eek.
[04:25] <p47> I will read DBO TAHNK'S
[04:25] <nickrud> p47, well, xgl is pretty much a toy right now. Not suprising
[04:25] <xbox_guru> when I put in the wep key, what should I do, Plain or hexidecimal
[04:25] <mnob07> uh oh...
[04:25] <DBO> nickrud, you mispelled lifestyle
[04:25] <outlawcrook> so do i use the k7 for instalation or what
[04:25] <outlawcrook> seeing as i am 64bit
[04:25] <mnob07> well alledgedly the linsys should work... somehow
[04:25] <Mitsurugi> DBO: dang I must have my PCI number wrong then.... I thought I had it right
[04:25] <outlawcrook> running the 64bit version of this os
[04:26] <mutrooo> thanks DBO
[04:26] <Kr0ntab> sup folks
[04:26] <DBO> Mitsurugi, you can just take that part out, its not needed =)
[04:26] <Samuli^> outlawcrook, you might be better off with the regular i386
[04:26] <nickrud> outlawcrook, if I may, it's a waste of time running the 64bit version if you want most video and internet flash and the like to work
[04:27] <PORDO> can someone help me with this, and maybe tell me what might be causing my logins to fail? http://rafb.net/paste/results/aenmuV79.html
[04:27] <_JECKEL_> hmmm
[04:28] <_JECKEL_> ok...can anybody tell me of a good IRC program that I could make transparent and all that nifty eye candy stuff?
[04:28] <PORDO> bitchx in your terminal.
[04:28] <Madpilot> _JECKEL_, XChat can do partial transparency
[04:28] <nickrud> DBO, I never misspell lifestyle, I own that
[04:28] <B0FH> !sources
[04:29] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[04:29] <_JECKEL_> I should probably go get bitchx >_>
[04:29] <ubuntu_> what up everybody
[04:29] <ubuntu_> just playin with my ubuntu live
[04:29] <PORDO> ALSA lib pcm.c:1972:(snd_pcm_open_conf) Invalid type for PCM iec958 definition (id: iec958, value: cards.pcm.iec958)
[04:29] <ubuntu_> yep
[04:29] <nickrud> ubuntu_, welcome to the niche :)
[04:29] <wizzlefish> For some reason, Ubuntu runned extremely slow when I opened the GIMP. I had XMMS running, Firefox, a few File Managers, and gedit. Is there a way to speed it up?
[04:30] <PORDO> wizzlefish is this with the live cd or an install?
[04:30] <wizzlefish> install
[04:30] <ubuntu_> i  like ubuntu but XP is all ive ever used i dunno if i could change
[04:30] <PORDO> wizzlefish how fast is your proc?
[04:30] <wizzlefish> ubuntu_: you can change - I'll teach you anything (that I know) - from noob to noob :)
[04:30] <PORDO> ubuntu_ please give ubuntu a try.  you might want to change the default appearance a tad, but it's so worth it.
[04:30] <Samuli^> ubuntu, you could have both.
[04:31] <PORDO> you will hate windows when you've used it for a month.
[04:31] <wizzlefish> PORDO: I have a 1.2Ghz Intel M processor, I believe
[04:31] <_JECKEL_> Yeah..Ubuntu's gnome theme at first looks like ass vomit
[04:31] <wizzlefish> amen to that
[04:31] <PORDO> wizzlefish that's weird then.  that makes no sense to me, but i'm no expert.
[04:31] <PORDO> my system is very fast.
[04:31] <Samuli^> It's not THAT bad.
[04:31] <nickrud> ubuntu_, it's about finding out what you need, and seeing if ubuntu will provide that usefulness
[04:31] <_JECKEL_> it's crap brown
[04:31] <_JECKEL_> it's bad
[04:31] <wizzlefish> I like Tango icons
[04:31] <PORDO> _JECKEL_ it's terrible isn't it.
[04:31] <mindamp> im having problems compiling cups-pdf from source... it cant find alot of standard C stuff like time.h
[04:32] <mindamp> am i missing a package?
[04:32] <Madpilot> _JECKEL_, language, thanks...
[04:32] <DrBanzai> Can anybody here help me with my ATI drivers, please?  When I do fglrxinfo I keep getting the MESA stuff...
[04:32] <PORDO> it's so bad it makes me think, "how could you possibly make this any worse?'
[04:32] <mindamp> i installed gcc obviously...
[04:32] <nickrud> mindamp, cups-pdf is in the repos
[04:32] <ubuntu_> my computer teacher gave it me this disc,i got the install too..i just dunno..isnt it not compatible with many games?
[04:32] <wizzlefish> I've got a Tango FF theme, a Tango TB theme, and Tango icons and style for my Ubuntu
[04:32] <mindamp> and...
[04:32] <wizzlefish> maybe that's what's slowing it down!
[04:32] <nickrud> mindamp, sudo apt-get install cups-pdf
[04:32] <Samuli^> drBanzai, have you installed xorg-driver-fglrx?
[04:32] <xbox_guru> when I set up my network settings, I have wep and I"m trying to use the ubuntu network configuration, not in the terminal, and I want to know what settings I should use for the WEP. I have a 128bit encryption and was wondering, should I use hexidecimal or the other setting. Also should I use the DHCP, or static ip. Also should I set up the dns servers myself.
[04:32] <DrBanzai> Samuli^, Yes
[04:32] <_JECKEL_> listen... ubuntu_ ...do yourself a favor and get the art manager and go look through various themes and stuff
[04:32] <PORDO> can someone help me?  my login crashes in under ten seconds, and i can't "see" my sound devices.
[04:32] <mindamp> i have to modify the source for a system specific variable..
[04:32] <ubuntu_> where do i get that?
[04:32] <nickrud> ubuntu_, yes you are absolutley correct about games
[04:32] <mindamp> so i need to compile it from cups-pdf.c
[04:33] <mindamp> however gcc errors out trying to find several .h's.. i.e. time.h
[04:33] <ubuntu_> but i love GIMP i have have the hack for XP
[04:33] <wizzlefish> _JECKEL_: is that the "GNOME Art" thing?
[04:33] <_JECKEL_> yeah
[04:33] <mindamp> is there a c library or something i must "apt-get"?
[04:33] <nickrud> mindamp, then try sudo apt-get build-dep cups-pdf
[04:33] <daddius> t
[04:33] <Flannel> mindamp: you already have build-essential?
[04:33] <shellsage> If I install Flight 7 on a computer, will I be able to upgrade the system to the final release of dapper after it is released, as if I had just done a fresh install of the dapper final release?
[04:33] <Samuli^> drbanzai, then take backup of xorg.conf = sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup
[04:33] <wizzlefish> ubuntu: http://www.gnomefiles.org <--- some games there
[04:33] <mutrooo> ciao
[04:33] <Madpilot> shellsage, yes
[04:33] <apokryphos> mindamp: what are you trying to do?
[04:33] <Flannel> shellsage: yes.  but, #ubuntu+1 is the place to ask further.
[04:33] <||arifaX> hi I want to use sudo in a bash script but does not seem to work any clues?
[04:34] <shellsage> ok thanks
[04:34] <_JECKEL_> the ONLY thing I don't like about linux in general is the lack of an abillity to use games on it easily
[04:34] <DrBanzai> Samuli^, I already have a few of those too...
[04:34] <Samuli^> drbanzai, after that: sudo sed -e 's/"ati"/"fglrx"' -i /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:34] <wizzlefish> does Ubuntu come with Ruby installed?
[04:34] <mindamp> i having a feeling build-essential will fix it
[04:34] <mindamp> thank you
[04:34] <nickrud> ||arifaX, depends on the circumstances; I usually write the script so I can call it with sudo, not call sudo inside the script
[04:35] <Madpilot> wizzlefish, I don't think so
[04:35] <ubuntu_> can i get a link to art manager or whatever?
[04:35] <wizzlefish> ubuntu_: http://gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=889
[04:35] <xbox_guru> when I set up my network settings, I have wep and I"m trying to use the ubuntu network configuration, not in the terminal, and I want to know what settings I should use for the WEP. I have a 128bit encryption and was wondering, should I use hexidecimal or the other setting. Also should I use the DHCP, or static ip. Also should I set up the dns servers myself.
[04:35] <Samuli^> drbanzai, that command will change every "ati" in the file with "fglrx"
[04:35] <||arifaX> nickrud, it is for syncing pocketpc I need some programs with and some without sudo so I should be able to use it inside the script
[04:35] <wizzlefish> ubuntu_: you'll need Ruby, Ruby-Gnome2, and ReXML
[04:36] <Madpilot> ubuntu_, the art manager is called "gnome-art" - install the package thru Synaptic
[04:36] <_JECKEL_> or you could just go to applications and go to add applications
[04:36] <wizzlefish> arg I need a bigger HD - Ruby won't fit on mine :(
[04:37] <DrBanzai> Samuli^, Hmm, that gave me an unterminated s command error
[04:37] <_JECKEL_> after you installed it, it will show up in your system prefrences menu
[04:37] <_JECKEL_> what is Ruby?
[04:37] <wizzlefish> Ruby is what you need for Gnome-art
[04:37] <Madpilot> a programming language
[04:37] <_JECKEL_> oh
[04:37] <Samuli^> drbanzai, did you use the '
[04:37] <_JECKEL_> guess I allready have it then >_>
[04:37] <DrBanzai> Yup
[04:37] <ubuntu_> eh, ive thought about switching but i live in a house with a bunch of computer illiterates and im afraid if i changed theyd freak out when they saw this
[04:37] <DrBanzai> Er, Samuli^ Yes
[04:37] <wizzlefish> ubuntu_: probably, but you could always dual-boot :)
[04:38] <_JECKEL_> well...I have windows and linux on the same hard drive
[04:38] <PORDO> this is so depressing..i can't get my sound working in dapper. :(
[04:38] <ubuntu_> yeah,but thats alot of disk space
[04:38] <nickrud> ||arifaX, sudo permissions can be odd. you might want to consider giving access to those particular programs in /etc/sudoers. You can give users the ability to run certain programs without entering the password there.
[04:38] <PORDO> upgrading blows.
[04:38] <ubuntu_> my teacher says somthing about this program VB Manager?or somthing like that,where you can boot linux from windows
[04:38] <_JECKEL_> dapper is above breezy right?
[04:38] <wizzlefish> ubuntu_: not really - if you go for a minimal install, it can be under a couple gigs
[04:38] <wizzlefish> _JECKEL_: yes
[04:38] <tonyyarusso> ubuntu_: vmware perhaps?
[04:39] <_JECKEL_> I'm still on breezy..is it wise to update to dapper?
[04:39] <spikeb> not yet.
[04:39] <Madpilot> _JECKEL_, Dapper is still in beta
[04:39] <wizzlefish> ubuntu_: virtual machines work, but they're slow
[04:39] <ubuntu_> maybe
[04:39] <_JECKEL_> and how would I update to it by the way? a full reinstall?
[04:39] <nickrud> ||arifaX, for example, I have ALL     ALL=NOPASSWD: /bin/umount /dev/hdd
[04:39] <nickrud>  in that file, it allows anyone to unmount the cdrom without entering a password
[04:39] <Samuli^> DrBanzai,  I didn't get any errors with: sudo sed -e 's/"ati"/"fglrx"/' -i /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:39] <NoUse> _JECKEL_ no you can upgrade from within ubuntu
[04:39] <overrider> hello, i am installing (going to ) ubuntu on an older ibm thinkpad t22 with 900 mhz. i would like to not use gnome or kde at all, rather install something lightweight like fluxbox. is there a way i can tell it to install just that?
[04:40] <blank_> hey guys
[04:40] <_JECKEL_> Ubuntu..I have my 80 gig hard-drive partitioned to roughly 50 something windows, 20 something ubuntu
[04:40] <blank_> what's the /opt directory for
[04:40] <DrBanzai> Samuli^, Okay, For some reason, I didn't get the last / before the last '
[04:40] <ubuntu_> ah
[04:40] <Madpilot> overrider, do a server install, then apt-get install xubuntu-desktop for XFCE
[04:40] <||arifaX> nickrud, I see
[04:40] <nickrud> blank_, for installing software that is not part of the distribution
[04:40] <blank_> basically, I want to install the mplayer plugin for firefox 1.5, but dont know where to; /usr/lib/firefox/plugins or /opt/firefox/plugins
[04:40] <NoUse> overrider you might look into xubuntu, it uses xfce which is lighter than the gnome or kde but has more features than fluxbox
[04:40] <blank_> nickrud, so I'm guessing /opt right?
[04:40] <ubuntu_> ok,im a little confused on how to install this gnome-art thing,it opens some script
[04:41] <Flannel> blank_: http://www.secguru.com/files/linux_file_structure.jpg and  http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/index.html
[04:41] <wizzlefish> argh...I only have 7.5 GB of disk space left...
[04:41] <overrider> yes xfce would also be fine, thanks guys
[04:41] <blank_> thanks Flannel
[04:41] <_JECKEL_> ubuntu_ at first I didn't like linux because it seemed flat and dead.  If all goes well you should have working opengl after reboot :)
[04:41] <wizzlefish> ubuntu_: but it'll be erased when you reboot
[04:41] <Madpilot> ubuntu_, applications->add applications, search for gnome-art
[04:41] <Mitsurugi> How many do you get wizzlefish?
[04:41] <blank_> !ff1.5
[04:41] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[04:41] <ubuntu_> and thats another thing..im not good with that stuff,but im taking programming next year
[04:42] <nickrud> blank_, no, you should install the mplayer plugin from the repos; then link from /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/mplayer* to wherever you installed your extra firefox
[04:42] <DrBanzai> Samuli^, Okay, thanks!  Full reboot, or just restart X with Ctrl-Alt-Backspace?
[04:42] <_JECKEL_> and even though I only use terminal windows for wine and a few other stuff like tar...you can make em look leet and awesome
[04:42] <wizzlefish> Mitsurugi: how many whats?
[04:42] <blank_> nickrud, but I think that's for the old firefox, not 1.5
[04:42] <nickrud> blank_, !ff1.5 has detailed instructions
[04:42] <_JECKEL_> oh bah he left
[04:42] <blank_> oh nickrud, i get you now, how do I link
[04:42] <blank_> oh okay
[04:42] <Madpilot> ubuntu_, sorry, search for art manager
[04:42] <_JECKEL_> how is he gonna take programming when he basically said he sucks at computers?
[04:42] <nickrud> blank_, see that page, seriously. It's correct
[04:42] <ubuntu_> well i hve to learn
[04:43] <_JECKEL_> oh..damn you and your underscore
[04:43] <blank_> nickrud, yeah thanks, sorry for nagging, forgot it was there :(
[04:43] <Mitsurugi> Wizzlesidh: i just tried that command, it didn't work =[
[04:43] <wizzlefish> ubuntu_: here's a quick article I wrote: http://noenemies.com/2006/05/15/getting-set-up-in-ubuntu-gnulinux/
[04:43] <nickrud> blank_, no sweat :)
[04:43] <_JECKEL_> My terminal window is transparent with a green shade. It's put on my background which is sorta bluish matrix type of thing so in the terminal window it looks like normal black and green matrixness
[04:43] <wizzlefish> ubuntu_: not the best, but it might get you convinced that GNU/Linux isn't hard to use (unless you want to do some hard stuff)
[04:43] <Samuli^> drbanzai, I'm not sure actually. I think you need to at least restart gdm
[04:44] <blank_> thanks nickrud that should do it, but by the way, I did as it said in the guide, ' sudo ln -s /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/* .', but I think I also have /usr/lib/firefox/plugins, should I do that too?
[04:44] <_JECKEL_> looks pretty kick ass with the green letters that are brighter than the background of the terminal so it's easy to read
[04:44] <xbox_guru> I have wep and I"m trying to use the ubuntu network configuration, and I want to know what settings I should use for the WEP. I have a 128bit encryption and was wondering, should I use hexidecimal or the other setting.
[04:44] <Chris_Tucker> Um .. help? Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/hda6 ... how do i fix this? its ext3... and its saying its not a correct ext2 filesystem, and gives an e2fsck line to try, but that too produces this error
[04:44] <roostishaw> how do i fix a broken package anyone?
[04:44] <DrBanzai> Samuli^, Okay, I'll try restarting X, and if that dosen't work, I'll do a full reboot
[04:44] <wizzlefish> Mitsurugi: the command should work - what did it tell you?
[04:44] <NoUse> roostishaw try 'sudo apt-get -f install'
[04:44] <Samuli^> I'm gonna restart too.
[04:44] <_JECKEL_> the best thing about Linux is that it and mostly everything with it is free
[04:44] <nickrud> blank_, I pointed you at that page because it was correct, follow it not my off the cuff example :)
[04:45] <NoUse> roostishaw what package is broken?
[04:45] <roostishaw> NoUse, tried that, but it sends me into an endless loop   :(
[04:45] <blank_> nickrud, yeah I just realized that...thanks
[04:45] <roostishaw> NoUse, firefox
[04:45] <wizzlefish> _JECKEL_: here are many more reasons: http://www.whylinuxisbetter.net
[04:45] <_JECKEL_> Now all I have to figure out is wine to it's fullest so I can get diablo 2 to run on it right.
[04:45] <blank_> nickrud, so now just restart firefox right
[04:45] <blank_> how can I see what ln's are where?
[04:45] <blank_> if it's even possible
[04:45] <ubuntu_> and thats another downside to linux for me,to many damn computer critics
[04:46] <_JECKEL_> wizzlefish, honestly...I find myself in linux because I have near complete controll over the way it looks and runs
[04:46] <mattcraigschultz> hey, anybody know why i cant use gparted to shrink my ext3 fs / partition on hda3?
[04:46] <wizzlefish> _JECKEL_: I like it because it's fast, customizable, and, come on, their mascot is a penguin! :)
[04:46] <Chris_Tucker> Um .. help? Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/hda6 ... how do i fix this? its ext3... and its saying its not a correct ext2 filesystem, and gives an e2fsck line to try, but that too produces this error
[04:46] <ubuntu_> hahahahah whizzlefish
[04:46] <_JECKEL_> Yeah..penguin's are cool..and the startup is nice and fast
[04:46] <NoUse> roostishaw have you tried removing the package and reinstalling?
[04:46] <ubuntu_> cant deny the penguin
[04:47] <_JECKEL_> oh..and the security of it too
[04:47] <_JECKEL_> not many linux viruses out there and you never hear of spyware for linux
[04:47] <_JECKEL_> the only thing I really hate is that it took alot of work to get to play various media files
[04:47] <Mitsurugi> WizzleFish: it said it couldn't find the pakcage gnaome art
[04:47] <nickrud> blank_, if all went well, no restart necessary
[04:47] <siccness> Afternoon guys!
[04:48] <_JECKEL_> here's an idea for the next Ubuntu....come complete with all that is needed to run the various media files
[04:48] <blank_> nickrud, oh okay...
[04:48] <ubuntu_> I've heard linux is actually good for hacking?or one form of it.
[04:48] <blank_> wonder how I'd know if it went well, let me see...ah yes i'll stream some video i guess
[04:48] <Chris_Tucker> _JECKEL_, i believe that is illegal
[04:48] <_JECKEL_> Chris_Tucker, how? when I can get the packages in synaptic?
[04:49] <tonyyarusso> _JECKEL_: They can be available for you to get, but they can't be distributed.
[04:49] <Chris_Tucker> _JECKEL_, actually, im right, in certain countries its illegal to download certain codecs
[04:49] <tonyyarusso> (Licensing nuances.)
[04:49] <nickrud> blank_, yes, that's exactly right :)
[04:49] <_JECKEL_> stupid other countries. :\
[04:49] <tonyyarusso> Chris_Tucker: That too.
[04:49] <Chris_Tucker> _JECKEL_, the main one being the US
[04:49] <tonyyarusso> The redistribution part is global for certain things though.
[04:49] <pitufo> hi
[04:50] <_JECKEL_> eh...as far as I know there is no restriction on codecs in the US
[04:50] <nickrud> _JECKEL_, Patent and license restrictions on media formats complicate a free operating system's ability to distribute software that will support those formats. Ubuntu actively supports the FreeFormats. This page will walk you through getting support for the most popular non-free media formats.
[04:50] <Madpilot> _JECKEL_, there certainly is.
[04:50] <pitufo> anyone know how to avoid the cpu fan pb on imac g5 ?
[04:50] <blank_> it works!
[04:50] <_JECKEL_> which codecs?
[04:50] <_JECKEL_> because I have...alot. >_>
[04:50] <nickrud> blank_, great
[04:50] <blank_> thanks nickrud
[04:51] <nickrud> blank_, I expended a lot of time & effort on learning that :)
[04:51] <blank_> haha
[04:51] <siccness> Would there be any particular reason why downloading is much quicker in Linux over windows?
[04:51] <etaoinsrhld> what's the equivalent of apt-cache search but for _installed_ packages?
[04:52] <DrBanzai> Can anybody here help me with my ATI drivers?  When I do fglrxinfo I keep getting that MESA junk...
[04:52] <ubuntu_> Ok,im still confused on the gnome art thing.
[04:52] <spikeb> nickrud: good news though - if i recall correctly, the mp3 patent is set to expire within the next couple of years
[04:52] <nickrud> etaoinsrhld, dpkg -i <packagename>
[04:52] <ubuntu_> i set it up and put that commad line in but nothing
[04:52] <etaoinsrhld> siccness, MTU, maybe? viruses, worms, bittorrent clients running in the background?
[04:52] <blank_> hey I'm configuring it, just to play around with it, for video output, would 'gl' be faster? Yes I do have working drivers
[04:52] <_JECKEL_> siccness, the only reason I can think of is that you don't have a bunch of background internet crap going on.
[04:52] <etaoinsrhld> thanks nickrud
[04:52] <_JECKEL_> Windows has open ports and stuff that are just transfering info from your comp all the time
[04:52] <Madpilot> ubuntu_, after you install it, look in System->Preferences->Art Manager to start it
[04:52] <_JECKEL_> and it gets bitchy when you close a port off
[04:52] <blank_> wow I just realized that I just dist-upgrad'ed, and my gl drivers aren't working!
[04:52] <nickrud> spikeb, good news. of course, we hope that ogg replaces mp3, just like png replaced gif *cough*
[04:52] <siccness> _JECKEL_: Yeah, it's just that winxp was downloading at 80KB/sec, this linux computer here is downloading at 160KB
[04:52] <siccness> Same server, same file.
[04:53] <siccness> Not complaining, just curious :|
[04:53] <_JECKEL_> like I said..windows has alot of background functions
[04:53] <spikeb> nickrud: it would be nice if ogg had the same momentum that png did, yeah.
[04:53] <ubuntu_> eh..its not there
[04:53] <_JECKEL_> I usually am able to max at around 27kb on linux
[04:53] <siccness> Yeah, _JECKEL_. Big difference tho eh? :D
[04:53] <_JECKEL_> and 24kb on windows
[04:53] <etaoinsrhld> nickrud, you misunderstood me.. i want to search the db to determine if a particular app is installed, not install it anew
[04:53] <wizzlefish> ubuntu_: about hacking - do you mean hacking...or cracking?
[04:53] <nullified> !ftp
[04:53] <ubotu> FTP clients: gftp, konqueror, kbear, nautilus. FTP servers: vsftpd, proftpd
[04:53] <siccness> _JECKEL_: I'm assuming 256kbit?
[04:53] <nickrud> etaoinsrhld, sorry, dpkg -l (I claim typo)
[04:54] <nullified> !proftpd
[04:54] <ubotu> nullified: I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:54] <_JECKEL_> yeah. i'm rockin the DSL lite from bellsouth
[04:54] <etaoinsrhld> nickrud, oh, woops, thanks
[04:54] <Lob-Sogular> I've got an athlon64 x2 (using 2.6.12-10-amd64-k8-smp) but `sudo modprobe powernow_k8` fails telling me there's no such device... any idea why?
[04:54] <nickrud> of course, claims are useless :)
[04:54] <blank_> !ati
[04:54] <ubotu> well, ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10 or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=423589
[04:54] <nullified> !vsftpd
[04:54] <ubotu> nullified: NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:54] <siccness> Heh.
[04:54] <ubuntu_> whichever,my coach just recommended some form of linux to someone ,and was like"you could hack the damn CIA  with that"or somthing..being sarcastic of course but still
[04:54] <siccness> I tried the installation of ATI drivers, boy did that fail :)
[04:54] <jhenn> whats a good cdrw for ubuntu?
[04:55] <spikeb> The Fraunhofer patents expire April 2010, at which time MP3 algorithms become public domain.
[04:55] <DrBanzai> siccness, I had it working once...
[04:55] <spikeb> woot
[04:55] <_JECKEL_> Eh...I dunno what is better for "Hacking"
[04:55] <Madpilot> jhenn, a burning app, or an actual drive?
[04:55] <siccness> DrBanzai: Yeah? Can't get it to work again?
[04:55] <_JECKEL_> because I never graduated beyond script kiddie
[04:55] <DrBanzai> siccness, Nope, now I have it so messed up from reinstalling this and that...it's all borked
[04:55] <_JECKEL_> I know C++ now..but that won't really help at all >_>
[04:55] <jhenn> Madpilot: drive
[04:56] <roostishaw> anyone know how to copy protect a cd in ubuntu?
[04:56] <siccness> Eek, just put up with it until Dapper is released :)
[04:56] <siccness> Then try again :)
[04:56] <jhenn> roostishaw: why would you want to do that
[04:56] <wizzlefish> hacking is modifying open-source code....like changing Ubuntu to work the way you want
[04:56] <Madpilot> jhenn, nearly anything should work, I think. I've got a Pioneer DVD/CD-RW, for what it's worth
[04:56] <jhenn> Madpilot: oh
[04:56] <_JECKEL_> he meant in the media way wizzlefish
[04:56] <wizzlefish> I del.icio.us'd a few hacking guides at some point in time - lemme find em
[04:56] <roostishaw> jhenn, why not   :D  mainly fun with friends
[04:56] <wizzlefish> _JECKEL_: oh, that type
[04:56] <nickrud> jhenn, most modern cdrw will work in ubuntu
[04:57] <_JECKEL_> ya know "ZOMG! HACKERS ATTACK TEH PENTAGON WITH L33T INFO STEALING BANK ACCOUNT VIRUSES!"
[04:57] <siccness> Yeah, I've had all 4 DVD and CD-Writers that I've got to work in Linux. Pioneer 106d, 110, Plextor 16x10x40A and another Pioneer
[04:58] <_JECKEL_> oh..and chicks dig the ubuntu because of the games >_>
[04:58] <nickrud> schilling did good work on cdrecord
[04:59] <DBO> _JECKEL_, its not nice to lie =P
[04:59] <_JECKEL_> it's the only thing my girlfriend is interested in for linux >_>
[04:59] <DBO> chicks dig the ubuntu because of the baby tux backgrounds and thats it
[04:59] <spikeb> chicks dig freeciv?
[04:59] <spikeb> heh
[04:59] <nickrud> nah, it's the warty backgrounds
[04:59] <_JECKEL_> they dig the frozen bubbles game
[05:00] <Lob-Sogular> bleh. all the google searches are turning up information about powernow_k8 working... that's not particularly useful
[05:00] <high-freq> to get the /usr/src/linux  do i do  apt-get install linux-source  ?
[05:00] <nickrud> high-freq, yes
[05:00] <high-freq> k
[05:00] <high-freq> to this running kernel ofcourse
[05:00] <high-freq> 2.6.12-k7 or somethin like that
[05:01] <nickrud> high-freq, sorry, it's actually linux-source-2.6.12
[05:01] <high-freq> so  linux-source  just installs for the running kernel
[05:01] <high-freq> k
[05:01] <high-freq> gotcha
[05:01] <Brennan> ah
[05:01] <Brennan> im confued
[05:01] <Brennan> confused*
[05:02] <Brennan> trying to install limewire,i found the right source but i dont get how to install from then on
[05:02] <nickrud> !limewire
[05:02] <ubotu> first you need !java, then download the http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and unpack it. Then just run the runLime.sh file. Voila. Consider !frostwire as an alternative.
[05:02] <Brennan> ok
[05:02] <Brennan> it said somthing about java
[05:02] <nickrud> Brennan, there'll be a link following
[05:02] <nickrud> !javadebs
[05:03] <Chris_Tucker> Um .. help? Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/hda6 ... how do i fix this? its ext3... and its saying its not a correct ext2 filesystem, and gives an e2fsck line to try, but that too produces this error
[05:03] <nickrud> Java can be found in multiverse. Sun (i386) debs here: http://mirror2.ubuntulinux.nl IBM (PPC) debs here: http://giannaros.org/buntu/breezy.  UNOFFICIAL debs of more recent JRE's can be found in Seveas's repositories.  See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[05:03] <Brennan> i love limewire..because you can use free limewire..to download LimeWirePro
[05:03] <shawn> can someone help me please, i just installed linux on a partition, i have windows xp on the other, and when i try to view files from the other partition, it says that im not the owner
[05:03] <willis_> !ntfs
[05:03] <ubotu> methinks ntfs is the filesystem used in Windows NT and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[05:04] <nickrud> shadow`, you need to enable access, see what willis_ just said :)
[05:04] <willis_> shawn,  you need to edit the fstab so you can mount them witht eh right permissions.
[05:04] <nickrud> obviously not this one
[05:04] <shawn> fstab?
[05:04] <willis_> heck the others are all turned off i thought. :P
[05:04] <willis_> !fstab
[05:04] <ubotu> the /etc/fstab  file lists all drives and partitions but can be easily configured automatically with the diskmounter file found here http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/diskmounter  See <partitions>.
[05:05] <nickrud> shawn, /etc/fstab (file system table) defines how your windows partition is read. That link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions explains a lot
[05:06] <AlmtyBob> doh is there an option with 'ls' in linux to list directory sizes?
[05:06] <apokryphos> AlmtyBob: yes, ls -lh
[05:06] <Abnix> I'm trying to install intel dri driver on my dell inspiron 1100 craptop, I need to have the current kernel config for a fresh (updated) install...what do I apt-get? (or usign the gui package system...)
[05:07] <apokryphos> AlmtyBob: whoops, for directories: du -h
[05:07] <CokeNCode> hey, goodnight everyone, i'm looking for an ftp client
[05:07] <CokeNCode>  something that works like filezilla ...
[05:07] <nickrud> Abnix, sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[05:07] <Flannel> CokeNCode: you can use nautilus
[05:07] <Flannel> CokeNCode: (thats the file browser)
[05:07] <apokryphos> CokeNCode: nautilus, gftp are popular GTK+ ones
[05:07] <AlmtyBob> apokryphos: that doesn't give the size of the their
[05:07] <AlmtyBob> ah thanks
[05:07] <Abnix> ty nickrud
[05:07] <Madpilot> CokeNCode, for basic FTP, use Nautilus. Happily, the Filezilla project is working on a Linux port
[05:07] <CokeNCode> Flannel, cool, thanks
[05:08] <pitufo> anyone know how to avoid the cpu fan pb on imac g5 ?
[05:08] <nickrud> Abnix, hm, I think I may be giving you incorrect help
[05:08] <hou5ton> ok ... i have changed the sources.lst to dapper and done these two:  sudo apt-get update
[05:08] <hou5ton> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:08] <nickrud> Abnix, which intel driver? 915 or the like?
[05:08] <hou5ton> anything else?
[05:08] <nickrud> hou5ton, you should be done
[05:09] <hou5ton> nickrud:  do i need to reboot?
[05:09] <shawn> when it says to type these lines, where do i type them? lol
[05:09] <nickrud> hou5ton, yes, but only because you've installed a new kernel
[05:09] <Abnix> nickrud: this has the 82845g/gl   the one that requires that 23rd party patch to run allocating RAM for video...
[05:09] <hou5ton> ok... thanks
[05:09] <king_> anyone running XGL/Compiz
[05:09] <Flannel> king_: #ubuntu+1 or #ubuntu-xgl
[05:09] <king_> thanx
[05:10] <james_> question... would ubuntu work well on an old AMD k6 system running at about 500Mhz with 512k RAM?
[05:10] <willis_> james_,  whoulkd work ok
[05:10] <Abnix> james_: should work great
[05:10] <nickrud> Abnix, ok. Then the command I gave will give you what you need to build a module. I'm not really up on intel video drivers, but I'd look harder to see if ubuntu has native support
[05:10] <willis_> james_,  ive ran it on less.
[05:10] <hyphenated> james_: it'll work fairly nicely
[05:10] <james_> cool ty.....
[05:10] <shawn> when it says to type these lines, where do i type them? lol
[05:10] <james_> would KDE work on that system?
[05:10] <Flannel> james_: yes.
[05:11] <willis_> james_,  may be better off with a lighter window manager/de however
[05:11] <Flannel> james_: although, you might look into xubuntu
[05:11] <Abnix> nickrud: that I've seen, rh, gentoo, and a few others just kinda throw their hands up in the air at this card and mutter under their breath a bit 'wtf was intel thinking?'
[05:11] <nickrud> Abnix, like 915 resolution in dapper, not available in breezy
[05:11] <Abnix> nickrud: thanks much for the help though
[05:11] <james_> i want to do xubuntu, but the install did not recognize the network card so that system has no internet access....
[05:12] <james_> so in the mean time, i thought i would just du ubuntu/kubuntu
[05:12] <high-freq> ok..i just did installed linux-source-2.6.12  but uh..this is kernel  2.6.12-10-k7   or does it matter?
[05:12] <nickrud> Abnix, I always say, wtf was <fill in the blank> thinking :_
[05:12] <Lob-Sogular> lovely: [  120.949361]  powernow-k8: Found 2 AMD Athlon 64 / Opteron processors (version
[05:12] <Lob-Sogular> !@#
[05:12] <ubotu> Lob-Sogular: NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:12] <Lob-Sogular> silly linebreaks
[05:13] <Lob-Sogular> I'm getting: [  120.949361]  powernow-k8: Found 2 AMD Athlon 64 / Opteron processors (version 1.40.4) / [  120.949546]  powernow-k8: MP systems not supported by PSB BIOS structure / [  120.949696]  powernow-k8: MP systems not supported by PSB BIOS structure
[05:13] <nickrud> high-freq, no, it does not matter. The default config your ubuntu is using is in /boot/config-$(uname -r)
[05:14] <high-freq> ok
[05:14] <Lob-Sogular> in dmesg when I try load powernow_k8 on an athlon64 x2 4200 on an a8n-e mobo
[05:14] <james_> as i was attempting to install xubuntu (without at first realizing that i needed net access for that, i went ahead and installed ubuntu server.... what would be the easiest way to add the K desktop to the server WITHOUT net access?
[05:14] <shawn> when it says to type these lines, where do i type them? lol
[05:14] <nickrud> james_, there is no easy way for xubuntu under breezy
[05:14] <Flannel> james_: which CD do you have?
[05:14] <CaBlGuY> on yur keyboard silly..  :p
[05:15] <james_> i have ubuntu 5.10
[05:15] <james_> would i be able to install GNOME with the ubuntu CD?
[05:15] <Flannel> yes
[05:15] <abarbaccia> hey guys - anybody here good with bash scripting?
[05:15] <nickrud> james_, yes
[05:15] <james_> ok, that would be well enough
[05:15] <Flannel> james_: I dont know if kde is included on the ubuntu CD though.
[05:16] <nickrud> james_, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[05:16] <james_> Flannel, i don't think it is
[05:16] <nickrud> no kde on ubuntu
[05:16] <james_> ty nickrud
[05:16] <bur[n] er> james_: gnome is installed by default
[05:16] <abarbaccia> if i write a bash script, chroot to a new root, how can i execute the rest of the script on that new root?
[05:17] <james_> bur[n] er, , i installed server
[05:17] <james_> so i have no desktop
[05:17] <james_> i think.... lol
[05:17] <bur[n] er> aww
[05:17] <Flannel> james_: right.  do that ;)
[05:17] <shawn> im lost...
[05:17] <bur[n] er> listen to nickrud then :)
[05:17] <willis_> abarbaccia,  that may be... difficult.
[05:17] <james_> thanks!
[05:17] <abarbaccia> willis_: i'm seeing this now
[05:17] <willis_> abarbaccia,  check that 'advance bash scripting guide'
[05:17] <nickrud> willis_, you are a master of understatement
[05:18] <abarbaccia> willis_: maybe i'll set it up as two different scripts or something
[05:18] <willis_> abarbaccia,  yep. thats what i was thinking
[05:18] <Flannel> Abnix: you'd be using su, or two terminals ;)
[05:18] <siccness> Abnix: probably logged in as root :P
[05:18] <shawn> im extremely new to linux and need help
[05:19] <abarbaccia> willis_: if i set it up as 2 scripts i can pass the 2nd script as the command to run
[05:19] <Abnix> well no, I use it for when I input a command and forget to put a sudo in front
[05:19] <nickrud> shawn, you need help with fixing your /etc/fstab?
[05:19] <shawn> yes, i went to that site, and it says to type some stuff in, but i dont know where to type it in lol
[05:19] <willis_> shawn, it may be wworth the effort to read a few introduction  to linux guides and howtos.
[05:20] <siccness> terminal
[05:20] <Abnix> linux command line is about lazy typing... (but here we all are in irc...)   sudo !!  just execs the previous command, and I mean it this time...
[05:20] <willis_> !bash
[05:20] <ubotu> For a list of basic commands, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands
[05:20] <willis_> !intro
[05:20] <ubotu> Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, willis_
[05:20] <willis_> :(
[05:20] <abarbaccia> willis_: ya think it would work if i just put chroot <dir> command1; command2; command3; etc..
[05:20] <nickrud> shawn, ok. start with Applications->Accessories-Terminal from the top menu bar
[05:20] <willis_> abarbaccia,  not sure check the chroot man pages.. ya can always try it and see.
[05:20] <Flannel> Abnix: you know you can just hit the uparrow, and recall your last command, right? (so, up, home, 'sudo ', enter)
[05:21] <Flannel> Abnix: and of course, you can scroll through your commands further with the arrow keys
[05:21] <CokeNCode> I'm having a frustrating linux night
[05:21] <Mitsurugi> How do you install limewire?
[05:21] <nickrud> shawn, did that open a window for you?
[05:21] <CokeNCode> why is Nautilus asking for a directory? and not prompting me for a login password
[05:22] <CokeNCode> *sighs heavily
[05:22] <siccness> you can always type history to see previous commands as well, another useful thing :)
[05:22] <Abnix> Flannel: yes. but. see comment on 'LAZY'   sudo !!  == fewer keystrokes than up-arrow, home, sudo <enter>
[05:22] <shawn> yea
[05:22] <nickrud> shawn, good. That's the place you're going to type nearly everything someone says here.
[05:22] <Flannel> Abnix: right, but it also means you can only do the last command, and you aren't sure if that command is "apt-get yadda" or "rm -rf" ;)
[05:22] <shawn> ok
[05:22] <shawn> thanks
[05:22] <Flannel> Abnix: I'd rather be sure, than lazy and reinstalling ;)
[05:22] <siccness> Heheh, Flannel :P
[05:22] <Abnix> Flannel: but I just typed it in...  (o:
[05:23] <pitufo> hi
[05:23] <nickrud> shawn, the first thing we're going to do is make a copy of the filesystem table so if everything goes tits up, we can recover :)
[05:23] <pitufo> anyone know how to avoid the cpu fan pb on imac g5 ?
[05:23] <swissbear> which software for make an iso image disk?
[05:23] <shawn> ok
[05:23] <high-freq> nickrud: this is a fresh install....is there anything i must install before i do make menuconfig  cuz its givin me errors when i do make menuconfig   in /usr/src/linux after i made the link from the soruces
[05:23] <nickrud> shawn, in that terminal, type cp /etc/fstab ~
[05:24] <CokeNCode> ok, i got it
[05:24] <nickrud> high-freq, copy the config from /boot to /usr/src/linux, then type make oldconfig
[05:24] <shawn> it didnt do anything
[05:24] <swissbear> I mean for burn an iso image
[05:24] <high-freq> aaah ok
[05:24] <nickrud> shawn, yes it did. if you type ls in the terminal, you should see fstab listed (ls is the same as dir in windows)
[05:25] <shawn> ok
[05:25] <high-freq> nickrud: do i rename it to .config?
[05:25] <nickrud> high-freq, yes
[05:25] <high-freq> if so then its still erroring out
[05:25] <overrider> sorry, after i did a server install, which is the command to install xorg? i installed xorg-common , but i still do not able to startx
[05:25] <high-freq> make, *** [scripts_basic]  error 2
[05:26] <nickrud> shawn, now, type gksudo gedit /etc/fstab in the terminal , it should open a file and show you some text,
[05:26] <samuli> swissbear, just nautilus or terminal.
[05:26] <high-freq> d/l the soure..unpacked it...did  ln -s  source_file linux   then cp the config for this kernel over and rename to .config  then make oldconfig   ...still erorrs out
[05:26] <samuli> in dapper there's folder cd/dvd creation in places and you just put stuff there then do write to disc and choose write an iso
[05:27] <shawn> erm
[05:27] <CokeNCode> it's always sad when you realise the easy way to do something, about 90% of the way thru doing it the hard way ...
[05:27] <shawn> GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[05:27] <shawn> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[05:27] <samuli> i don't remember if there's that in breezy though.
[05:27] <nickrud> shawn, those are warnings, not errors. no sweat
[05:27] <shawn> there isnt any text in the doc that came up
[05:28] <samuli> shawn, are you using sudo -i ?
[05:28] <shawn> no clue
[05:28] <nickrud> shawn, close it then. samuli he's using gksudo
[05:28] <samuli> anyways, try sudo gedit
[05:29] <shawn> i did sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[05:29] <shawn> and i got text this time
[05:29] <nickrud> shawn, good, work from there
[05:30] <shawn> wat do i do now?
[05:30] <samuli> nickrud, dunno :/ All I know is that gksudo is useful for in menu and stuff.
[05:30] <nickrud> shawn, no, open a firefox browser window to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ and copy the text to that web page, and submit it. That way we can see what your /etc/fstab is
[05:31] <nickrud> shawn, that no after your name should have been now :)
[05:31] <DrBanzai> So, do you think fglrxconfig will screw things up worse then they are?  Anyone?
[05:31] <overrider> i already installed the package xorg-server-core, biut it still doesnt have the startx command is there are site which shows the right package to install for xorg xserver
[05:31] <samuli> I have entries like: gksudo nautilus and gksudo gedit sources.list in my gnome-menu :)
[05:32] <nickrud> samuli, gksudo sets the home dir to roots, but preserves all the same stuff otherwise that sudo -s does
[05:32] <shawn> ok i submitted
[05:32] <samuli> nickrud, and displays that nice windows to type your password.
[05:33] <samuli> I think 'sudo nautilus' wouldn't work in the menu.
[05:33] <roostishaw> what does the -R flag do when removing something?
[05:34] <roostishaw> anyone
[05:34] <citron> hi guys!
[05:34] <samuli> rootishaw, removes recursively all sub-dirs and their files.
[05:34] <high-freq> !kernel
[05:34] <roostishaw> ok, so i dont need to use it for just one file?
[05:34] <samuli> sudo rm -R is something to almost never used :)
[05:34] <high-freq> !kernel howto
[05:34] <ubotu> high-freq: Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:35] <high-freq> hmm
[05:35] <samuli> rootishaw, man rm
[05:35] <citron> roostishaw no...
[05:35] <roostishaw> ok, thanks!
[05:35] <citron> like, if you want to remove all directories and subdirs of the folder "hiall"
[05:35] <citron> you type: rm -rf hiall
[05:36] <citron> -f to force the remove if something... well..
[05:36] <citron> and -r to remove the dir.
[05:36] <citron> :)~
[05:36] <citron> if you want to remove only one file, you can use just "rm filename"
[05:36] <citron> but, rm -rf is nice :D~
[05:36] <nickrud> shawn, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14105 Do you see the addition I made, to line 6?
[05:37] <citron> hey guys, ubuntu have live-cd?
[05:37] <siccness> Sure does, citron.
[05:37] <adri_> hi bob
[05:37] <adri_> im blank
[05:37] <adri_> uh
[05:37] <citron> [siccness] : nice. i want to test ubuntu :D~
[05:37] <adri_> ok
[05:37] <citron> everybody here says that is great :D~
[05:38] <shawn> ,fmask=0111,dmask=0000
[05:38] <siccness> :) I'm very new to Ubuntu, or even Linux for that matter.
[05:38] <adri_> i dont know how though
[05:38] <siccness> But I recommend installing it.
[05:38] <samuli> what's fmask and dmask?
[05:38] <siccness> Live CDs are too slow, for my liking anyway.
[05:38] <nickrud> shawn, make the changes to the fstab in gedit, and save it
[05:38] <adri_> can someone help me install abunto?
[05:38] <nickrud> samuli, file mask and directory mask
[05:38] <adri_> or help me draw this cool thing?
[05:38] <siccness> *ubuntu, adri_, any part in particular?
[05:39] <shawn> ok done
[05:39] <adri_> uh.. the drawing part
[05:39] <nickrud> shawn, now close gedit
[05:39] <samuli> citron, take the new dapper flight 7 live cd so you can install if you like it ;)
[05:39] <siccness> Oh, my apologies.
[05:39] <siccness> Heh.
[05:39] <shawn> k
[05:39] <adri_> ok
[05:39] <adri_> thanks bye
[05:39] <lsupi> how ready is dapper?
[05:39] <nickrud> shawn, now, type this exactly: sudo umount /dev/sda1 && sudo mount /dev/sda1
[05:39] <adri_> hi blank blank meet blank
[05:40] <DBO> lsupi, its beta and should not be used for production environments until it is released
[05:40] <adri_> blank meet blank
[05:40] <samuli> nickrud, ok. why do you need different permissions for files and folders?
[05:40] <shawn> ok
[05:40] <RonaldMcDonald> Hello people
[05:40] <lsupi> DBO, thanks
[05:40] <RonaldMcDonald> adri_, you need help in installing ubuntu?
[05:40] <nickrud> samuli, cuz directories need executable bits, files don't
[05:40] <shawn> yay i got access now lol
[05:40] <adri_> hello
[05:40] <samuli> nickrud, ok. Good to know.
[05:41] <shawn> ty nickrud, you are very helpfull
[05:41] <high-freq> ok is there anything else to install.... make oldconfig is still erroring out
[05:41] <samuli> I've always just used umask.
[05:41] <adri_> i i uh i al- always wanted to to uh ge- get your aou- aoutograph!
[05:41] <high-freq> or is there a wiki on kernel howto with ubuntu kernels
[05:41] <Xbox_gur1> hello, how do I install new applications using the internet
[05:41] <nickrud> samuli, you can also give groups permissions to write to a fat32 using that (I do that for shared files between users)
[05:41] <nickrud> shawn, thanks
[05:41] <tritium> !kernelcompile
[05:41] <ubotu> You will probably find info about this at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto
[05:41] <bimberi> !install
[05:41] <ubotu> Installing Ubuntu? See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation Installing software on Ubuntu? See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingSoftware
[05:42] <bimberi> Xbox_gur1: ^^^^ (2nd link)
[05:42] <samuli> nickrud: doesn't gid= do the same.. oh, right. fat32 doesn't handle permissions well.
[05:42] <samuli> or is that even an option for fat32 drive.
[05:42] <nickrud> samuli, exactly, but you can specify group write in the fstab :)
[05:43] <samuli> well, it's good to know more stuff!
[05:44] <nickrud> I still haven't figured out how to force group write permission without changing the users default group write. Doing it in fat32 is trivial, so I hack it that way
[05:44] <mjb> heyall does anyone know a way to make a dual screen setup have one monitors metacity windows set to always on visible workspace automatically?
[05:44] <gearry> I am having some trouble playing audio CDs
[05:44] <shawn> how would i go about running exe files on linux?
[05:44] <Flannel> shawn: are the windows programs?
[05:44] <shawn> yea
[05:44] <Flannel> shawn: check out wine.
[05:45] <gearry> I figured out a way to make it work, but I suspect I have a larger problem that I would like to solve
[05:45] <nickrud> shawn, by installing wine, which is ' wine is not a windows emulator ' :)
[05:45] <outlawcrook> ok
[05:45] <gearry> if I put the cd in the drive and press play, than the analog audio plays just fine and I can control the volume with the mixer
[05:45] <shawn> so with wine, i will be able to run normal windows programs and games?
[05:45] <gearry> but if I attempt to use the cd player I get nothing
[05:46] <outlawcrook> i installed the 32 bit version of this os and it loaded my nividia 6600GT card no prob
[05:46] <outlawcrook> :)
[05:46] <gearry> the app sees the disc, and says it is playing, but I hear nothing
[05:46] <Flannel> shawn: some of them.  yeah. ideally all of them, but in reality, not all.
[05:46] <nickrud> shawn, some, no promises
[05:46] <shawn> ok lol
[05:46] <paulb> when trying to install packages i get the following error: http://pastebin.com/719975
[05:46] <shawn> so should i just google wine, or does some1 have a link?
[05:47] <Flannel> !wine
[05:47] <Flannel> !tell shawn about wine
[05:47] <blank_> !ff1.5
[05:47] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[05:48] <DrBanzai> !opengl
[05:48] <ubotu> parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, DrBanzai
[05:48] <hanasaki> what version and when are the cool eyecandy of xorg slated to be in?
[05:48] <Flannel> hanasaki: you mean xgl?  edgy, probably.  (6.10)
[05:48] <nickrud> hanasaki, you can run it on dapper, but dapper+1 is supposed to have it
[05:49] <hanasaki> dapper+1?
[05:49] <Xbox_gur1> hey, somethings wrong with my package manager, it says an error occured, please run Package Manager from the right click menu or apt-get ona terminal to see what is wrong
[05:49] <hanasaki> we are currently on dapper?
[05:49] <tritium> hanasaki: the release after dapper
[05:49] <nickrud> eft. eh. slimy things crawling on creekbeds
[05:49] <samuli> I want enlightenment 17
[05:49] <Flannel> hanasaki: no, dapper is being released june 1.  it'll be october for the next.
[05:49] <hanasaki> ah... cool.. is there a url with whats new and exciting in dapper listed?
[05:50] <spikeb> 5.10 - the breezy badger
[05:50] <tritium> hanasaki: lsb_release -a
[05:50] <hanasaki> ubuntu = gnome based?  kubuntu = kde based?
[05:50] <Flannel> hanasaki: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/dapperbeta
[05:50] <Kyoske> i need some help
[05:50] <spikeb> hanasaki: yes
[05:50] <bimberi> !tell samuli about e17
[05:51] <Flannel> hanasaki: yes.  and xubuntu is xfce.
[05:51] <hanasaki> tritium:  thanks.. but i am not on a ubuntu box at the moment
[05:51] <sciyoshi> samuli: check out "ebuntu" :-)
[05:51] <nickrud> Kyoske, what with?
[05:51] <Kyoske> when i was installing ubuntu it screwed up =(
[05:51] <tritium> hanasaki: okay
[05:51] <hanasaki> and edubuntu has what in it?
[05:51] <ks1> I am sure there is a very good reason why ubuntu is still using udev 079? does anyone know or can provide a link?
[05:51] <martynda> how do you find out which clock speed the processor is currently running at on a centrino chip?
[05:51] <nickrud> Kyoske, that is not exactly a helpful error message :)
[05:51] <bimberi> hanasaki: edubuntu = ubuntu + ltsp + educational apps (basically)
[05:51] <hanasaki> i will likely go to dapper in june from debina testing
[05:51] <Bratsche> Hello...
[05:51] <Kyoske> i know
[05:51] <hanasaki> ltsp?
[05:51] <samuli> bimber, I know that stuff.. I just want it to be ready as in stable and, well, working :)
[05:51] <Kyoske> its just that
[05:52] <Kyoske> i got to the part
[05:52] <Kyoske> about particians
[05:52] <bimberi> !ltsp
[05:52] <ubotu> it has been said that ltsp is the Linux Terminal Server Project - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto (for Breezy), https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPHowTo (pre Breezy).  See also http://www.ltsp.org/
[05:52] <hanasaki> ah
[05:52] <hanasaki> thakns
[05:52] <Kyoske> and i was all like wtf!??!
[05:52] <samuli> sciyoshi: hmm, ebuntu?
[05:52] <bimberi> hanasaki: yw :)
[05:52] <paulb> can anyone shead some light on this:nstall vhcs*
[05:52] <paulb> http://pastebin.com/719975
[05:52] <nickrud> Kyoske, ok that's common, but your exact situation will clear up the wtf
[05:52] <Ahmuck> hi hanasaki
[05:53] <hanasaki> sup Ahmuck  .. you being a pain in the but here too lol?
[05:53] <Kyoske> huh, how?
[05:53] <ks1> anyone?
[05:53] <Kyoske> all i wanted to do was install ubuntu to my computer and it didnt
[05:53] <Ahmuck> :-p
[05:53] <slackern> ks1: darn thats quite old
[05:53] <slackern> ks1: 0.79 i mean
[05:53] <nickrud> Kyoske, ubuntu is careful, it tries very hard not to screw your windows install
[05:53] <hanasaki> anyone have a link that shows the release versions /target dates of ubuntu and the relationshipo between  version number and name?
[05:53] <ks1> slackern, yes :P
[05:53] <Ahmuck> Kyoske: what kind of partition problem are you having ?
[05:53] <Kyoske> the regular kind
[05:54] <Kyoske> i dont know im new to this
[05:54] <Apostle^> nickrud, ubuntu always does right by windows, of course windows never does right by anything ( including it's self )
[05:54] <Kyoske> i burned the image like on guy said for me to do so
[05:54] <samuli> paulb: maybe you just update your ubuntu first?
[05:54] <ks1> I am wondering because the newer versions of udev fix a lot of issues
[05:54] <Kyoske> and i started to instal it
[05:54] <Xbox_gur1> package manager says I have 1 broken package on my system, what should I do
[05:54] <Kyoske> but then it got to the part about particians and resizing
[05:54] <paulb> samuli:what do you mean?
[05:55] <nickrud> Kyoske, you got to the partition section, and you were right to back out until you know what you are doing
[05:55] <Kyoske> and it wouldnt let me get past that
[05:55] <spikeb> Xbox_gur1: sudo type apt-get -f install
[05:55] <samuli> pauldb, it said "275 not upgraded"
[05:55] <Kyoske> i know i got really scare di was going to kill somthing
[05:55] <Ahmuck> Kyoske: new drive or old one with data ?
[05:55] <Kyoske> see i have no idea what that means..
[05:55] <Flannel> ks1: because breezy was released with udev 075. and subsequent versions of udev were released after dapper.
[05:55] <Flannel> ks1: erm, breezy.
[05:55] <ks1> Flannel, I am talking about dapper..
[05:55] <Ahmuck> Kyoske: did you have anything on your computer ?
[05:56] <paulb> well it is beta 2
[05:56] <nickrud> Kyoske, do you have a D: partition you don't care about?
[05:56] <Flannel> ks1: well then, this isn't the channel for it.
[05:56] <Kyoske> a D: partition?
[05:56] <ks1> Flannel, the snapshot also has 079.
[05:56] <Kyoske> whats that?
[05:56] <ks1> Flannel, what is the channel then?
[05:56] <Flannel> ks1: #ubuntu+1
[05:56] <ks1> k, thx
[05:56] <Flannel> ks1: this is strictly breezy
[05:56] <Kyoske> and plz forgive my noobnishness
[05:57] <nickrud> Kyoske, when you open windows filemanager, do you have a D: drive as sell as a C: drive?
[05:57] <Xbox_gur1> spikeeb, "sudo type apt-get -f install", what should I type in?
[05:57] <Kyoske> d drive lemme check, but i dont think i do
[05:57] <Kyoske> i have c to j without a d
[05:57] <Xbox_gur1> i don't know which package it is
[05:57] <Kyoske> so no
[05:58] <Kyoske> i dont have a D: drive
[05:58] <samuli> pauldb, you're using dapper drake right?
[05:58] <shawn> wats dapper and breezy?
[05:58] <Agent_bob> whois root
[05:58] <paulb> samuli:yep
[05:58] <Madpilot> shawn, different versions of Ubuntu
[05:58] <paulb> ill go to #ubuntu+1
[05:58] <samuli> pauldb, you really should update :)
[05:58] <shawn> how do i know which im using?
[05:58] <james_> man it is taking along time to install GNOME desktop on  this old computer lol..... and it looks like gstreamer install is producing a lot of errors... would anyone know why that might be?? sound card issues?
[05:59] <Madpilot> shawn, probably Breezy, unless you know you're running the beta version, which is Dapper
[05:59] <shawn> ok thanks
[05:59] <Agent_bob> shawn lsb-release
[05:59] <nickrud> Kyoske, I'm gonna have to hand you off to people who know more about installing ubuntu onto resized partitions.
[05:59] <Xbox_gur1> can someone please help me with my Package manager, it tells me there is a broken package
[05:59] <Kyoske> who?
[06:00] <samuli> I wouldn't use the installation programs resizing functions.
[06:00] <Xbox_gur1> can anyone...
[06:00] <paulb> Agent_bob: root is the superuser
[06:00] <DrBanzai> I have my ATI driver and OpenGL installes all messed up...how can I get rid of it all, and install the right stuff?
[06:00] <Agent_bob> Xbox_gur1 sudo apt-get install -f
[06:00] <Kyoske> ok i wont then
[06:00] <paulb> ok im updating
[06:00] <nickrud> Kyoske, they show up here, ask your question about every 10 minutes. That's how I got sucked into this channel. I asked questions, and then repeated the answers :)
[06:01] <Kyoske> =\ hrm
[06:01] <Kyoske> well i got one last question
[06:01] <Agent_bob> paulb  :)
[06:01] <Kyoske> is 104 GB enough
[06:01] <samuli> :)
[06:01] <paulb> a bit too much
[06:01] <james_> samuli, i used the resizing deal in the installation program... and now there is about 20gig on my hard drive that i no longer have access to LOL
[06:01] <Xbox_gur1> Agent_Bob: I got this error E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[06:01] <Xbox_gur1> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[06:01] <Kyoske> is that enough space?
[06:01] <spikeb> yeah that is plenty of space
[06:01] <samuli> james_ yeah :P
[06:01] <Kyoske> becuase when installing
[06:02] <samuli> Kyoske: It's plenty.
[06:02] <Agent_bob> Kyoske no
[06:02] <Kyoske> its was showing numbers like
[06:02] <outlawcrook> ok 1 more question
[06:02] <Kyoske> 160 GB and 125 GB
[06:02] <paulb> Kyose:i have it installed on a 20 gb
[06:02] <Kyoske> but why wont it let me install?
[06:02] <samuli> whole ubuntu could fit into 1,5gb.
[06:02] <Agent_bob> Xbox_gur1 so close synaptic first
[06:02] <james_> i am installing ubuntu right now on an 8gb
[06:02] <Kyoske> why does it have the numbers 160GB and 125GB
[06:02] <outlawcrook> how do i get this to see a windows network,see and use them
[06:02] <Bratsche> What's the minimum RAM you should have before installing ubuntu?
[06:03] <AgentCy> is it possible to get XFree86 to work on Ubuntu?
[06:03] <Flannel> outlawcrook: samba
[06:03] <samuli> Kyoske: those are the sizes of your harddrives?
[06:03] <Kyoske> alright
[06:03] <Flannel> Bratsche: what do you want to do with your ubuntu installation?
[06:03] <samuli> Bratsche: I had as little as 128MB myself
[06:03] <Kyoske> so why wouldnt it let me install it
[06:03] <outlawcrook> do i have to turn that on
[06:03] <outlawcrook> i dont see it
[06:03] <outlawcrook> ?
[06:03] <DBO> AgentCy, it probably could be worked out, but why>
[06:03] <samuli> Bratsche: and xubuntu can be installed with 64MB
[06:03] <Kyoske> it told me to manualy mess with the particians
[06:03] <Xbox_gur1> Agent_bob: thanks
[06:03] <Kyoske> and i got very sad ><
[06:04] <Flannel> !tell outlawcrook about samba
[06:04] <Bratsche> samuli: Is it any good with 156MB?
[06:04] <Bratsche> Or should I use xubuntu?
 whole ubuntu could fit into 1,5gb <<< default install preezy takes 1.8   all packages would take over 12g  server install takes about 300m iirc
[06:04] <samuli> Bratsche: well, I managed :)
[06:04] <Flannel> Bratsche: you'll do fine.  If its slow for your tastes, you can always install xubuntu later.
[06:04] <Agent_bob> my b is lazy, thinks it's a p
[06:04] <Flannel> Bratsche: you can switch between the three with no hassles.
[06:04] <Kyoske> DX
[06:04] <Kyoske> what are partricans
[06:04] <AgentCy> DBO: Cant get Xorg to work with my laptop
[06:04] <samuli> Agent_bob: Well, Installation program said that minimum is 1,5GB
[06:05] <DrBanzai> I have my ATI driver and OpenGL installes all messed up...how can I get rid of it all, and install the right stuff?
[06:05] <Bratsche> Flannel: Thanks. I don't think it can be too slower then this Windows ME system...
[06:05] <DBO> AgentCy, can you please describe what isnt working?
[06:05] <Mitsurugi> how do you install limewire?
[06:05] <Flannel> Bratsche: no, it shouldnt be.  But yeah, you can install xubuntu at a later date, without problems.
[06:05] <samuli> Bratsche: Hmm.. It can :)
[06:05] <Bratsche> Thanks.
[06:05] <the_mr_bong_show> hello
[06:05] <shawn> after i get wine, do i have to do anything, or can i automatically run windows files?
[06:05] <Mitsurugi> 'ello
[06:06] <Bratsche> I read it was pretty easy with the Dapper live CD...hopefully it will be so.
[06:06] <Kyoske> does any one have aim so we can talk on that
[06:06] <Agent_bob> samuli i didn't write the installer.
[06:06] <Kyoske> its a lot more less crowded
[06:06] <DrBanzai> Mitsurugi, sudo apt-get install limewire
[06:06] <mikebot> is there a paint type program for ubuntu? (one that comes stock?)
[06:06] <AgentCy> DBO: I have a Gateway M350, with intel 810 chipset.. cant get it above 800x600 resolution
[06:06] <Ahmuck> Kyoske: your better off in a forum
[06:06] <samuli> Agent_bob: No you didn't :)
[06:06] <Ahmuck> the forum
[06:06] <Flannel> mikebot: Open Office Draw.  or Gimp.
[06:06] <shawn> mikebot, GIMP
[06:06] <DBO> !tell AgentCy abour resolution
[06:06] <Kyoske> but i like instant messege
[06:06] <mikebot> thanks
[06:06] <mish4> hey does anyone know why my wireless keyboard doesnt work at time of boot, only after it defaultly goes into ubuntu?
[06:06] <the_mr_bong_show> is there a P2P program i can get for ubuntu
[06:06] <Madpilot> mikebot, GNU paint for really simple stuff, the GIMP for anything complex
[06:06] <high-freq> mikebot: gimp  its defaulted to install i believe
[06:06] <DBO> !tell AgentCy about resolution
[06:07] <Ahmuck> Kyoske: you will get better support in the forum
[06:07] <shawn> after i get wine, do i have to do anything, or can i automatically run windows files?
[06:07] <DBO> AgentCy, look at the link ubotu sent you
[06:07] <Kyoske> sigh
[06:07] <Flannel> shawn: youy have to run them in wine, those pages should go over it.
[06:07] <mikebot> i couldn't (can't) find gimp in the applications menu
[06:07] <mustard5> !tell Mitsurugi about limewire
[06:07] <Kyoske> well what is the deal about resizing patrons?
[06:07] <Kyoske> are w/e they are called
[06:07] <high-freq> mikebot: weird....what bout  apt-get install gimp
[06:07] <Madpilot> mikebot, Applications->Graphics->GIMP Image Editor doesn't work?
[06:08] <Flannel> Kyoske: partitions.  and, what do you mean?
[06:08] <shawn> applications>graphics>GIMP image editor
[06:08] <mikebot> i don't have graphics under applications
[06:08] <Bratsche> And seriously, all you guys rock. I've never seen so many people patiently helping so many clueless noobs like me.
[06:08] <mikebot> i'm not using kde
[06:08] <Flannel> mikebot: are you using ubuntu?
[06:08] <Ahmuck> Kyoske: if you have a box and it has partitions you would have spaces
[06:08] <mikebot> yes
[06:08] <AgentCy> DBO: Ill give that a whirl I guess
[06:08] <Kyoske> i got to the part about partricians
[06:08] <high-freq> gnome?
[06:08] <Kyoske> and it wouldnt let me get past it
[06:08] <mikebot> high-freq, yes
[06:08] <high-freq> mikebot: gnome?
[06:08] <Kyoske> i had no idea what to do
[06:08] <Bratsche> Makes me have faith in online communities again.
[06:08] <Bratsche> Cheers.
[06:08] <Flannel> Kyoske: is this on the liveCD?
[06:08] <Ahmuck> Kyoske: and some of those partitions would be larger and some smaller, but the would have thier own spaces
[06:08] <DBO> AgentCy, you would have the same issue in XFree86 anyhow, its just a matter of configuring your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:08] <mikebot> oh, graphics just wasn't being shown--i got it, thanks
[06:08] <high-freq> mikebot: huh...u might have to add it yourself..but it should have done that on install
[06:08] <Kyoske> no not live cd
[06:08] <the_mr_bong_show> !tell the_mr_bong_show about limewire
[06:09] <Kyoske> i saved it
[06:09] <DrBanzai> I have my ATI driver and OpenGL installes all messed up...how can I get rid of it all, and install the right stuff?
[06:09] <Kyoske> then burned an image
[06:09] <Kyoske> then restarted the comp with the cd
[06:09] <Agent_bob> ok anyone watch vidios in console with vlc ?
[06:09] <Kyoske> and thats when i started instalation
[06:09] <AgentCy> DBO: I posted on the forums.. seems I'm S.O.L. with this chipset and my laptop :P
[06:09] <high-freq> videos in console?
[06:09] <Flannel> Agent_bob: I use mplayer.
[06:09] <Flannel> high-freq: AA or caca.
[06:09] <truz_24`> how can I query information about my sata controller?
[06:09] <high-freq> oh
[06:09] <outlawcrook> so how do i use samba to get into the windows shared files?
[06:09] <DBO> AgentCy, what resolution is your native?
[06:10] <AgentCy> 1024x768
[06:10] <high-freq> outlawcrook: check on smbclient
[06:10] <Apostle^> whats a good torrent program for linux ( not azureus )
[06:10] <Flannel> Apostle^: bittorrent ;)
[06:10] <high-freq> lol
[06:10] <DBO> AgentCy, put your /etc/X11/xorg.conf -> pastebin
[06:10] <nickrud> man, walk away for 5 minutes, 1000 lines scroll past
[06:10] <Kyoske> thats what happens
[06:10] <AgentCy> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=174463
[06:10] <Kyoske> so nick
[06:10] <Apostle^> Flannel, ? :-)
[06:10] <Kyoske> when did u install ubuntu
[06:10] <Kyoske> or w/e
[06:10] <Agent_bob> Flannel hmmm my vlc doesnt get the graphics right. i was wondering if i needed some added package for use in console ?
[06:11] <nickrud> Kyoske, I'd been using ubuntu's parent for several years when ubuntu came out
[06:11] <Flannel> Agent_bob: might need an AA or a caca plugin dohickey
[06:11] <Kyoske> so how did ur instalation go?
[06:11] <DrBanzai> I used some kind of "Extras" disc when I installed Hedgehog...anybody know if there is one out for Breezy?
[06:11] <Kyoske> cuz i had a lot of trouble
[06:11] <mikebot> is there a way i can make gimp like stick to the window i have open?
[06:11] <paulb> outlawcrook: smb:/servername or for a username and passwd smb:/uname:password@server
[06:12] <nickrud> Kyoske, fine, but I really don't wanna screw up your windows install.
[06:12] <mikebot> the gimp menu thing, that is
[06:12] <Kyoske> how could u?
[06:12] <high-freq> wouldn't it be easier to just use gnome and goto  "Places>Network Servers>"
[06:12] <nickrud> Kyoske, I could say, for example, don't do this, 'give all of your disk to ubuntu' or some such during the install. Trust me, a little patience here will get you your answers
[06:12] <Agent_bob> Flannel k i'll look into those.
[06:13] <DBO> AgentCy, please put your xorg.conf in pastebin so I can take a look =)
[06:13] <Kyoske> give all my disc to ubuntu?
[06:14] <Ahmuck> Kyoske: say you had a cardboard box
[06:14] <Kyoske> yup
[06:14] <Kyoske> box
[06:14] <high-freq> whats the command to see whats the latest kernel ubuntu is offering?
[06:14] <AgentCy> ok
[06:14] <high-freq> stable that is
[06:14] <AgentCy> just pm it?
[06:14] <gearry> so, I figure out the CD player problem, and discoverd that one of my sound cards is much nicer than the other
[06:14] <gearry> but now I still have a problem
[06:14] <Ahmuck> Kyoske: and you had red marbles in it, but you wanted to put  blue marbles in it how would you do it ?
[06:14] <Ahmuck> without mixing them up ?
[06:14] <gearry> my sounds in Gnome apps don't play
[06:14] <Agent_bob> Kyoske if you are asking for sujestions... i sujest a partition of about 4 to 6 g  for /  <the linux root>    and maybe 8 - 12 for /home
[06:15] <Kyoske> make a divider in the box?
[06:15] <Ahmuck> yes, partitions are similar
[06:15] <Kyoske> part-as in divider
[06:15] <nickrud> Agent_bob, Kyoske needs help with resizing his ntfs partition, I have no experience with that
[06:15] <gearry> I can listen to CDs, and the startup sound plays, but after that, nada
[06:15] <DBO> !tell AgentCy about pastebin
[06:15] <gearry> anybody have any thoughts?
[06:15] <Agent_bob> high-freq apt-get update && apt-cache search linux
[06:16] <Ahmuck> so lets say your windows is on your hard drive (the box) and you want to put ubuntu (red marbles) on the hard drive you would need a divider
[06:16] <high-freq> Agent_bot: that search spits out alot ;(
[06:16] <Ahmuck> or partition
[06:16] <Ahmuck> Kyoske: are you in windows now ?
[06:16] <Kyoske> yes
[06:16] <Kyoske> yes i am
[06:16] <high-freq> oh well....guess i can scroll...hehe
[06:16] <Ahmuck> open up my computer, upper left normally
[06:16] <the_mr_bong_show> '/msg ubotu
[06:16] <Agent_bob> nickrud me too.   ntfs is like that wakki file system from redmound isn't it ?
[06:17] <samuli> gearry, what do you mean after that nothing?
[06:17] <Kyoske> lol already open but go on
[06:17] <uncle_bez> checked out ubuntu website and opengroupware.org, anyone know of a good resource to find best way to install opengroupware on ubuntu?
[06:17] <nickrud> Agent_bob, it's the partition that newbies really need to preserve :)
[06:17] <Ahmuck> as i recall windows will show you what drives you have.  for example, cdrom, etc.  you should see a c: drive
[06:17] <Agent_bob> high-freq so filter it.   add  | grep 'linux-'
[06:17] <Kyoske> i have a c: drive yes
[06:17] <Kyoske> of course
[06:17] <high-freq> Agent_bob: ya gotcha ;)
[06:17] <Ahmuck> do you have other drives ?
[06:17] <Agent_bob> nickrud lol
[06:18] <Kyoske> ya
[06:18] <Kyoske> like
[06:18] <nickrud> Agent_bob, exactly
[06:18] <Kyoske> dvd-rw drive
[06:18] <Kyoske> and mermory stick drives
[06:18] <Kyoske> but no D; drive
[06:18] <Flannel> Kyoske: do you see a C: drive?
[06:18] <Ahmuck> ok, do you have other "hard drives"
[06:18] <paulb> when i try to install the debian package for vhcs i get the following error: http://pastebin.com/719998http://pastebin.com/719998
[06:18] <Kyoske> nope
[06:18] <Ahmuck> or drives which you can store information on them that are not removable ?
[06:19] <Kyoske> no other hard drives than my C:
[06:19] <Ahmuck> ok, so your windows (XP ?) is located on the c: drive.
[06:19] <james_> either it takes way longer to install GNOME desktop AFTER you have already installed server, than if you did a regular install... or else my whole ubuntu install has gone totally haywire
[06:19] <nickrud> paulb, debian is not ubuntu. yet
[06:19] <Kyoske> yes mine is XP
[06:19] <nickrud> paulb, or, ubuntu is not yet debian
[06:19] <Flannel> james_: are you installing from the CD?
[06:19] <Kyoske> and yes all on my C:
[06:19] <Ahmuck> ubuntu wants to partition (make a divider) on your hard drive so it can install itself there
[06:19] <james_> Flannel, yes
[06:19] <johnny3d> what files support animation?
[06:19] <paulb> nickrud: yah i know but there are no ubuntu packages.
[06:20] <Ahmuck> it wants to "shrink" the size of the c: drive
[06:20] <Kyoske> so it is going to poof inside my C:
[06:20] <DBO> AgentCy???  You still with me here?
[06:20] <Kyoske> after instalization
[06:20] <nickrud> paulb, you might be able to get the source from debian, and build it on ubuntu. Maybe etch+1 will be binary compatible
[06:20] <Flannel> james_: well, the desktop is rather large, espeiclal compared to the puny server install.
[06:20] <Ahmuck> no, it is going to divide the "box" so you can put the "red marbles" on the other side
[06:20] <Kyoske> wait how is it going to shrink the size?
[06:20] <Ahmuck> trust me, it is.
[06:20] <Kyoske> wierd..
[06:21] <Kyoske> what will happen to all my stuff
[06:21] <james_> Flannel, ok, although this install has been going on for a few hourse now
[06:21] <paulb> nickrud: how would i go about doing that?
[06:21] <james_> hours*
[06:21] <Flannel> james_: well, what's the screen say? anything?
[06:21] <Ahmuck> you need to know however before you do, is it FAT32 or NTFS and I would suggest you defrag your windows xp installation before you proceed with ubuntu
[06:21] <Agent_bob> "poof inside my c:"    hehhe
[06:22] <Kyoske> whoa-whoa-whoa?
[06:22] <Ahmuck> i would also suggest you find a way to backup your windows (c: drive) before attempting an install with ubuntu
[06:22] <james_> Flannel, yeah, lots of stuff keeps going buy so i guess it is ok. only issue is a lot of errors associated with gstreamer
[06:22] <Kyoske> i think it maybe a ntfs i could be wrong
[06:22] <Kyoske> how would i find out
[06:22] <Flannel> Kyoske: it is NTFS.
[06:22] <Kyoske> and defrag my what?
[06:22] <DrBanzai> Imagine if you will, that your box of blue marbels already has a divider, it's just all the way at one end, up against the side.  Ubuntu will move that divider over, crowding the blue marbels into their half, to make room for the red marbels.
[06:22] <Abnix> what would be some good wireless tool for kubuntu?
[06:22] <Flannel> Kyoske: you'll want to degrag you harddrive, before installing.
[06:22] <Kyoske> what will that do?
[06:23] <Kyoske> and more importantly how do i do that
[06:23] <Ahmuck> it moves all your information to one side of the box
[06:23] <Kyoske> alright
[06:23] <Kyoske> but how do i defrag
[06:23] <Ahmuck> go to accories --> system tools --> defrag
[06:23] <nickrud> paulb, you would figure out what the deb-src line in your sources.list should be, apt-get source <package> then damn, I haven't built the source for anything in so long I've forgotten the rest.
[06:23] <Kyoske> will it destroy anything?
[06:23] <Kyoske> or keep it all safe
[06:23] <Flannel> Kyoske: go to "My Computer" right click the C: drive, go to properties
[06:23] <Ahmuck> defraging your hard drive destroys nothing
[06:23] <Flannel> Kyoske: it'll all be safe at the defrag.
[06:24] <Kyoske> and what was what about a backup?
[06:24] <Flannel> Kyoske: then the "tools" tab, and then the "degfragment now" button.
[06:24] <Ahmuck> Kyoske: just defrag at the moment as Flannel is suggesting
[06:24] <Kyoske> ok
[06:24] <Kyoske> do it now?
[06:24] <nickrud> paulb, I don't mean to be flippant, but I do want to add emphasis to 'don't use debian on ubuntu'
[06:24] <Ahmuck> yes
[06:24] <Kyoske> or when im ready to instiall
[06:25] <paulb> nickrud:ok so its a source install i need to do?
[06:25] <Agent_bob> Kyoske has the potential to really like linux and learn it fast, seeing he/she doesn't have to unlearn windows first.
[06:25] <Ahmuck> Kyoske: you will need to defrag before you install
[06:25] <Kyoske> what is this F: drive?
[06:25] <mikebot> how can i draw lines in gimp?
[06:25] <Agent_bob> that really is a plus
[06:25] <Kyoske> i have C: and F:
[06:26] <DrBanzai> I have my ATI driver and OpenGL installes all messed up...how can I get rid of it all, and install the right stuff?
[06:26] <Kyoske> NFTS and FAT
[06:26] <paulb> also its going to try to install everytime i try to install a package, how do i prevent this?
[06:26] <yonkeltron> i changed my hostname on my laptop and now i'm fucked because i can't sudo
[06:26] <yonkeltron> any ideas?
[06:26] <Agent_bob> f: is probably a cd/dvd rom drive
[06:26] <Kyoske> aight gotcha
[06:26] <Kyoske> so defragmentaion will take long time?
[06:26] <Ahmuck> it can
[06:27] <Kyoske> cuz i have 44GB filled
[06:27] <Ahmuck> depending on how much defragmatation there is and how large your drive is.
[06:27] <mikebot> anyone? drawing lines in gimp?
[06:27] <Kyoske> so with this crap defragmenting
[06:27] <Ahmuck> what kind of lines ?
[06:27] <mikebot> straight ones
[06:27] <Kyoske> will i still be able to use my computer as i always do
[06:27] <nickrud> paulb, if you only enable the source, there's no way a debian binary will try to overwrite. But, you really have to learn a bit to use debian sources with ubuntu. It's a case by case basis on what will work, and I am not gonna spend time on it
[06:28] <Kyoske> yes u have red ble green lines
[06:28] <Kyoske> i*
[06:28] <Agent_bob> consolidate free sapce wont take as long.
[06:28] <Agent_bob> space
[06:28] <mikebot> is there a line tool in gimp?
[06:28] <Kyoske> so when this is defragmenting
[06:28] <paulb> nickrud:k im just going to use the tar.gz
[06:29] <Kyoske> is it okay to listen o my music?
[06:29] <Kyoske> to my msuic*
[06:29] <Madpilot> Kyoske, probably best to leave the system along
[06:29] <Madpilot> alone, even
[06:29] <Kyoske> gotcha
[06:29] <Ahmuck> Kyoske: yes, better to start the defrag and leave the computer alone
[06:29] <chowells> yonkeltron: i had the same problem, decided rebooting was the easiest solution :(
[06:29] <DBO> Kyoske, windows standard defrag utility tends to mess up with too much hard drive space
[06:29] <Kyoske> so just leave the comp alone for the night
[06:29] <DBO> hard drive usage*
[06:29] <jwl007> DBO: This is AgentCy, I have posted my xorg @: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14106
[06:29] <Kyoske> i onjly have $$GB usage
[06:30] <Kyoske> 44GB
[06:30] <Kyoske> so i should be alright?
[06:30] <Agent_bob> Kyoske from if you are talking about a cda then yes.  files on hd  no.
[06:30] <Madpilot> Kyoske, you might want to reboot the thing in safe mode to run defrag - I always had trouble getting either 98 or XP to completely defrag in regular boot...
[06:30] <DBO> jwl007, go into your BIOS and check if there is a vga buffer (or something similar) setting
[06:30] <DBO> jwl007, if so, set it to the max setting it has
[06:30] <Ahmuck> Kyoske: yes, that would be a good idea.  leave it alone for the night.  once that is done, ubuntu should be able to resize the drive.
[06:30] <jwl007> There is a shared memory for 8MB
[06:31] <jwl007> There is also an option for 1MB, but it wont let me select it :-/
[06:31] <Kyoske> what will happen when it is done
[06:31] <DBO> jwl007, 8MB is better for your case
[06:31] <Kyoske> defraging
[06:31] <mikebot> does anyone know if there is a line tool in gimp?
[06:31] <Kyoske> ?
[06:31] <jwl007> DBO: I'll check the vga buffer settings, brb
[06:32] <DBO> Madpilot, do you know any good modeline calculators (I forgot where they all are)
[06:32] <DrBanzai> I have my ATI driver and OpenGL installes all messed up...how can I get rid of it all, and install the right stuff?
[06:32] <Kyoske> so when it is done defraging..... it will what? restart? turn off?
[06:32] <Ahmuck> Kyoske: then you will be ready to let ubuntu resize your drive
[06:32] <mikebot> any response is ok
[06:32] <mikebot> anything
[06:32] <Kyoske> but wont i have to restart it with the cd in the drive?
[06:32] <Madpilot> DBO, what the heck is a modeline calculator?
[06:32] <whyami> is there a hardware compatibility list for usb 2.0 hubs?
[06:33] <Ahmuck> Kyoske: yes
[06:33] <Kyoske> and go into the whole instalation screen again?
[06:33] <Apostle^> whyami, they should all work i'd guess?
[06:33] <Ahmuck> Kyoske: yes
[06:33] <Apostle^> whyami, is it a pci card with usb ports on it?
[06:33] <Kyoske> and i wont have to do crap?
[06:33] <DBO> Madkiss, it makes modelines for xorg
[06:33] <Kyoske> beside click enter
[06:33] <DBO> Madpilot even
[06:33] <Kyoske> :D
[06:33] <Ahmuck> Kyoske: so, you have lot's of music and stuff on your computer ?
[06:33] <Kyoske> kinda
[06:33] <Madpilot> mikebot, there's a line tool somewhere in GIMP, yes - can't remember where, though...
[06:33] <nickrud> DBO, google modline calculator, there are many :)
[06:33] <whyami> Apostle^: they definitely don't all work. I've tried a few already...
[06:33] <Kyoske> i do
[06:33] <nickrud> erm, modeline calculator
[06:34] <DBO> nickrud, yes, but some are much simpler =P
[06:34] <Apostle^> whyami, ahh
[06:34] <Kyoske> is that a problem Ahmuck?
[06:34] <Apostle^> whyami, is it a pci card?
[06:34] <Ahmuck> Kyoske: you have it all saved on DVD or another computer ?
[06:34] <mikebot> Madpilot, got it, thanks -- just have ot hold shift
[06:34] <whyami> Apostle^: what I am looking for is something that splits from 1 usb 2.0 jack from off the mainboard to 4 jacks
[06:34] <whyami> Apostle^: this would be external
[06:34] <Agent_bob> Q, lshw says my vidio card has "size: 16MB"  howto see if that is shared or on the card?   and howto enable that in console for scroll back buffering ?
[06:35] <AgentCy> DBO: No VGA Buffer Setting
[06:35] <Ahmuck> Kyoske: so you work or go to school ?
[06:35] <Apostle^> whyami, if it needs drivers the chances it works goes down
[06:35] <Madpilot> mikebot, there you go. I use Inkscape a lot more than the GIMP these days, I'm loosing my GIMP-fu ;)
[06:35] <Kyoske> no i dont have al my musick saved
[06:35] <Kyoske> i got school
[06:35] <Ahmuck> Kyoske: college ?
[06:35] <Kyoske> no
[06:35] <DBO> AgentCy, ok, please hold
[06:35] <Kyoske> high
[06:35] <AgentCy> k
[06:35] <whyami> Apostle^: for example: http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0230833
[06:35] <jhenn> is there a new GNOME every 6 months?
[06:36] <Ahmuck> Kyoske: you might find a friend that has installed linux before to assist you
[06:36] <spikeb> jhenn: yes
[06:36] <Kyoske> i have a friend
[06:36] <Kyoske> he told me aobut ubuntu
[06:36] <Kyoske> and thats why i got intrigued to do all this
[06:36] <Ahmuck> k, well, i am out
[06:36] <Kyoske> darn.=(
[06:36] <Kyoske> see ya
[06:37] <dan__> hello
[06:37] <Kyoske> any one here have ubuntu?
[06:37] <AgentCy> :P
[06:37] <dan__> yeah i do
[06:37] <nverhaar> lol i think most of us would
[06:37] <willis_> i would gess most of us. :P
[06:37] <Kyoske> cool
[06:37] <spikeb> nah, we're all here to talk about it instead
[06:37] <Kyoske> whats it like?
[06:37] <nverhaar> the best!
[06:37] <dan__> can anyone help me get videos working in firefox?
[06:37] <AgentCy> It's happiness for all human beings
[06:37] <Kyoske> tell me what u can do with it
[06:38] <nverhaar> fly to the moon
[06:38] <willis_> Its a linux disto that  defaults to gnome.   whats more to say.
[06:38] <nverhaar> its better than sex
[06:38] <DrBanzai> Kyoske, Pretty much everything you can do with windows
[06:38] <AgentCy> you can write fork bombs and crash it
[06:38] <james_> ok... i have installed the ubuntu desktop.... after a few hours... now it has given me a command prompt. what should i type?
[06:38] <Kyoske> what was this thing
[06:38] <dan__> it is better than sex, but can anyone help me get the cideo plugins for firefox working
[06:38] <Kyoske> where u could have 4 desktops?
[06:38] <nverhaar> rm -rf *
[06:38] <samuli> you can even browse the internet.
[06:38] <AgentCy> james_ try startx
[06:38] <Apostle^> whyami, belkin is great, always good to just google the one your looking at and see if it works on linux, i did that with my bluetooth headset
[06:38] <Ahmuck> james_: a few hours ?
[06:38] <james_> AgentCy, thanks
[06:38] <willis_> 4 'virtual desktops' is a common tool/feature.
[06:38] <Kyoske> ya
[06:38] <james_> Ahmuck, , YES
[06:38] <willis_> you can have more then 4
[06:38] <Kyoske> is that in ubuntu?
[06:39] <willis_> its a standard X feature.
[06:39] <haasteem> hi, how uses xubuntu here?
[06:39] <AgentCy> ubuntu supports vmware?
[06:39] <willis_> heck i got the same feature in windows even
[06:39] <Kyoske> and u can spin you little cube around
[06:39] <samuli> haasteem try #xubuntu?
[06:39] <dan__> can anyone help me get videos working in firefox, says i need a plugin
[06:39] <Kyoske> and look at all ur desktops
[06:39] <willis_> Kyoske,  more eye candy.
[06:39] <haasteem> samuli: ahh... didn't know that channel existed...
[06:40] <DBO> AgentCy, well you arent going to like this... but I believe you are correct, breezy cannot run at 1024x768 with your i810/LCD combo.  I do know there has been lots of work to the i810 driver and its all in dapper, might be worth a shot?
[06:40] <samuli> haasteem: me neither, but does it?
[06:40] <nickrud> dan__, read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto, complete that
[06:40] <Jeff1983> can anyone help me get java running in firefox?
[06:40] <haasteem> samuli: :-) yes
[06:40] <AgentCy> ok, guess i'll wait for june 1st then :)
[06:40] <dan__> thanks nickrud
[06:40] <intelikey> haasteem startx
[06:40] <Jeff1983> ive read a few tutorials but had no luck
[06:40] <AgentCy> early birthday present i hope lol
[06:40] <nickrud> dan__, if you have problems, ask again
[06:40] <samuli> AgentCy:, or install dapper to day.
[06:41] <haasteem> intelikey: sorry?
[06:41] <AgentCy> i'd need to compile it though, correct?
[06:41] <gnosticapex> !pastebin
[06:41] <ubotu> pastebin is probably http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/, a site for pasting long texts so you don't disrupt the channel - or install webboard in Gnome: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269
[06:41] <DBO> AgentCy, you have a fine reason to install dapper if you want today
[06:41] <DBO> AgentCy, no, you can do an upgrade
[06:41] <high-freq> is i20 and i2c really important for laptops or no?
[06:41] <AgentCy> sudp apt-get  upgrade work?
[06:41] <high-freq> i've never used them
[06:41] <samuli> AgentCy: no. flight 7 has nicer installer than any operating system you know :)
[06:42] <AgentCy> is that on a standard repo?
[06:42] <DBO> AgentCy, first you have to modify /etc/apt/sources.list and change all occurances of the word breezy to dapper, then you do "sudo apt-get update" then "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[06:42] <AgentCy> rgr
[06:42] <DBO> this IS an overnight style download
[06:42] <intelikey> haasteem xubuntu   thought you were asking how to get X up and running.... startx     or right click on the desktop for a menu if it is running.
[06:42] <AgentCy> hrm ok
[06:42] <samuli> AgentCy, sudo -sed -e 's/breezy/dapper/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade :P
[06:42] <high-freq> DBO: there's a wiki howto ..makes it alot easier
[06:42] <DBO> AgentCy, also make sure to back up all your important data
[06:42] <AgentCy> yikesy
[06:43] <samuli> AgentCy: but beware it might b0rg your system.
[06:43] <AgentCy> heh, dont have anything on here anyways :P
[06:43] <AgentCy> already had my woes with backup tapes earlier today :)
[06:43] <haasteem> intelikey: ahhh... no, i just wanted to know if anyone is running xubuntu here...
[06:43] <intelikey> AgentCy and if you are on dial-up then you dl for the next 9 days........
[06:43] <samuli> AgentCy: -sed is sed without the '-'
[06:43] <AgentCy> k
[06:43] <Madpilot> haasteem, try the #xubuntu channel
[06:44] <intelikey> haasteem well sort of.
[06:44] <DBO> sampan, in general we dont suggest the sed method because it can bork 3rd party repos (admittedly the instructions I gave would have had him change that too...)
[06:44] <haasteem> Madpilot: yes, already did
[06:44] <intelikey> haasteem actually it's not xubuntu    but a hybird
[06:44] <samuli> nickrud, lol
[06:44] <haasteem> intelikey: i do that too sort of, ubuntu with blackbox
[06:44] <ubonetu> Okay, I know it's a deathwish but I bought a sabrent pcirc.  Can anybody help me configure the dang thing?
[06:45] <samuli> DBO, true that.
[06:45] <Apostle^> sabrent?
[06:45] <ubonetu> uh... yep
[06:45] <Apostle^> never heard of it
[06:45] <nickrud> samuli, it's logged as 'dapper'
[06:45] <ubonetu> It's an evil Chinese tv card
[06:46] <intelikey> haasteem no kidding..... hehhe.   i run blackbox  and kicker      puts the ked menu in the blackbox window...
[06:46] <intelikey> s/ked/kde/
[06:47] <DrBanzai> Is anybody familiar with the Extras cd for Hedgehog?
[06:47] <Apostle^> ubonetu, chinese is no no
[06:47] <haasteem> intelikey: i have no kde at all
[06:47] <nickrud> DrBanzai, I was once
[06:47] <haasteem> intelikey: only gnome
[06:47] <ubonetu> hehe, yep, I figured that out in the last two hours, Apostle^ :-)
[06:47] <AgentCy> samuli: error returned that some index files failed to download and that they may have been ignored
[06:47] <DrBanzai> nickrud, The one that sets up extra fonts and MP3 playing and stuff?
[06:47] <intelikey> haasteem i have no gnome at all :)
[06:47] <Apostle^> ubonetu, seems like nvidia is the way to go on linux, i have an ati card that runs like garbage
[06:48] <nickrud> DrBanzai, yes, I remember that, I didn't think much of it
[06:48] <haasteem> intelikey: i like blackbox a lot though... i run it wityhout rox or something, so only window managing
[06:48] <haasteem> intelikey: :-) funny
[06:48] <DBO> Apostle^, yes, nvidia is the better linux drivers =)
[06:48] <DrBanzai> nickrud, Oh...well I was wondering if it's needed/availabe for the later versions of ubuntu?
[06:48] <haasteem> intelikey: what is kicker?
[06:48] <ubonetu> yeah, as soon as I get some money I'm buying a rockin' card.  Now it will be a nvidia, Apostle^
[06:48] <nickrud> DrBanzai, the closest thing I'd recommend is easyubuntu
[06:48] <AgentCy> I have a spotty A/C Adapter so this should be interesting
[06:48] <nickrud> !easyubuntu
[06:48] <ubotu> I guess easyubuntu is an easy-to-use program for installing all your favorites. Java, Nvidia/ATI, and more. It is as safe as the team can make it. It doesn't change any settings by default. http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/.
[06:49] <Jeff1983> can anyone help me get java running in firefox?
[06:49] <Jeff1983> ive read a few tutorials but had no luck
[06:49] <DrBanzai> nickrud, Thanks!
[06:49] <intelikey> right. haasteem it's light weight and fast.  i like it.
[06:49] <haasteem> intelikey: that's it... and with a nice theme it looks really good... no clutter on the desktop
[06:50] <intelikey> haasteem kicker is the kde menu application.   it's like running kde with out the de
[06:50] <intelikey> yep
[06:50] <samuli> AgentCy: that means that it did indeed bork some of your 3rd party repos, you might be better off commenting them out for now.
[06:50] <haasteem> ok
[06:51] <AgentCy> meh its dist-upgrading
[06:51] <samuli> oh, well no matter.
[06:51] <nickrud> !repos
[06:51] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[06:51] <haasteem> intelikey: so i run gnome without nome... i.e. gtk
[06:51] <Q2TinchoQ2> holas estoy tratando de compila el ndiswrapper para instalar mi wlan
[06:52] <DBO> !es
[06:52] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[06:52] <samuli> agentcy, apt-get just ignores those 3rd party repos you had in sources.list, that's a good thing.
[06:52] <AgentCy> k
[06:52] <Q2TinchoQ2> tengo el header, el source el gcc 4.0 pero aun no me anda el make uninstall make install,,, q me estara faltando?
[06:52] <nickrud> !tell Jeff1983 about javadebs
[06:52] <nickrud> Jeff1983, you should have got a pm about java
[06:53] <Jeff1983> nickrub. got it. thanks.
[06:54] <intelikey> haasteem kicker allows the choice to make the taskbar auto hide  and facelitates easy adding removing of applets, launchers and taskbars/panels....     if you have the time some time (assuming high speed network) install kicker sometime and see what you think.
[06:54] <cams> hey, i'm using lftp, and i would like to get all the directories beginning with Jack* ... mget -r Jack* is not working since there"s no support of recursivity with this command. I've manned lftp ... but can't see an easy way to do that ... any ideas ?
[06:55] <intelikey> it will show up in the bb menu under system
[06:55] <haasteem> intelikey: i'll think about it
[06:55] <haasteem> ok
[06:57] <intelikey> cams wget   not an option ?
[06:57] <intelikey> it does -R
[06:57] <intelikey> it also does -c
[06:58] <cams> intelikey, hmm i was not  thinking of wget ... i'm trying to find a way to do such a thing with lftp
[06:58] <high-freq> !ati
[06:58] <ubotu> hmm... ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10 or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=423589
[06:58] <cams> indeed, wget is another solution ;)
[06:58] <dan__> hey nickrud
[06:58] <nickrud> dan__,
[06:59] <dan__> i am changing the config for mPLAYER
[06:59] <dan__> and it wont let me save it
[06:59] <nickrud> oh, ncftp
[06:59] <intelikey> wget  &&  wput
[06:59] <dan__> what should i fo?
[06:59] <cams> intelikey, same ... i used that ... but i wanted to give a try to lftp
[06:59] <nickrud> dan__, gedit ~/.mplayer/config , make changes to that file, and save it
[06:59] <AgentCy> 33% done d/ling dapper.. *yawn*
[07:00] <intelikey> cams ok.
[07:00] <dan__> nickrud_ ok, i'll try it
[07:00] <jhenn> who else can't wait till june 1?
[07:01] <crimsun> heh, I can
[07:01] <AgentCy> meh june 12th is better
[07:01] <AgentCy> :D
[07:01] <dan__> Could not save the file "/home/dan/.mplayer/config"
[07:01] <crimsun> any of us buried in bugs only wish it were june 12th
[07:01] <nickrud> dan__, I'd recommend the changes that are on https://MplayerInstallHowto
[07:01] <dan__> that is what it tells me when i try to save
[07:01] <kakalto> is there a guide to japanese input in the console?
[07:01] <jhenn> AgentCy: whats june 12
[07:01] <AgentCy> 23rd birthday lol
[07:01] <jhenn> AgentCy: bah!
[07:02] <intelikey> june 1   what happens june 1 ?
[07:02] <dan__> could there be any reason why i cant save it?
[07:02] <Flannel> intelikey: Dapper is Released.
[07:02] <intelikey> pfft !
[07:02] <jhenn> apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:03] <dan__> hey nickrud, it just wont let me save the changes i make to file? is there any reason for that?
[07:04] <nickrud> dan__, none that I can think of.
[07:04] <dan__> strange
[07:04] <intelikey> permissions
[07:04] <intelikey> ownership
[07:04] <i3dmaster> how to tell from a linux box that another box is taking the same IP from the Linux box?
[07:04] <nickrud> dan__, true, since it's you you're trying to save as
[07:04] <intelikey> you are not toor
[07:04] <intelikey> root
[07:04] <intelikey> boot
[07:04] <intelikey> shoot
[07:05] <JairunCaloth> Is there a fast way to change user permisions on a crapton of files
[07:05] <JairunCaloth> and by crapton I mean 2000 +
[07:05] <intelikey> ls -l file
[07:06] <nickrud> JairunCaloth, chmod -R XXX <dir/>
[07:06] <Kyoske> hey
[07:06] <Kyoske> my defrag is at 58%
[07:06] <overrider> which is the right package to install for xserver after a server ubuntu install? apt-get install x-server? or xorg-common, xorg-core?
[07:06] <Kyoske> so can i just leave my comp on and when it is done wait til school is over and then install ubuntu?
[07:07] <jhenn> overrider: in debian it always used to be x-window-system
[07:07] <nickrud> JairunCaloth, erm, chmod -r XXX <dir>
[07:07] <intelikey> JairunCaloth yes   but be careful with that command.  you can make the system un usable.  or directories un accessable
[07:07] <JairunCaloth> so that will change all the files in the directory
[07:07] <overrider> jhenn, ok i hope it will be the same on ubuntu
[07:07] <nickrud> overrider, window-system-core in sudo -sed -e 's/breezy/dapper/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:07] <nickrud> christ, that sucked
[07:08] <graft> why do you need to defrag, Kyoske?
[07:08] <nickrud> Overand, x-window-system-core
[07:08] <graft> aren't you going to format your drive to install ubuntu anyway?
[07:08] <JairunCaloth> natalus should alow you to apply user permission changes to entire dirrectorise
[07:09] <samuli> nickrud, you need to change that a bit
[07:09] <graft> that's some nice spelling, there, JairunCaloth
[07:09] <samuli> there's '-' before sed that shouldn't be there. my typo.
[07:09] <intelikey> JairunCaloth may i sujest affecting the change on dirs/ and files seperately.   cause dirs have to be exec'd      find /base/dir -type f -exec chmod 644 '{}' && find /base/dir -type d -exec chmod 755 '{}'
[07:10] <nickrud> samuli, I was kinda hoping it would get ignored, it's my only hope :)
[07:10] <JairunCaloth> buh???
[07:10] <samuli> nickrud :)
[07:10] <thatfunkymunki> hey guys
[07:10] <intelikey> assuming you wont be executing the files.
[07:11] <thatfunkymunki> i'm having some problems with wine. I'm trying to run steam, but it throws me "wine: error while loading shared libraries: libntdll.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[07:11] <JairunCaloth> intelikey: that went so far over my head I feel 6ft under now
[07:12] <nickrud> samuli, been there, been embarassed, got over it. Well, a beer helps
[07:12] <intelikey> thatfunkymunki so import it from your windows system
[07:12] <thatfunkymunki> how?
[07:12] <thatfunkymunki> X_X
[07:12] <samuli> nickrud, I'm sort of not following.
[07:13] <nickrud> samuli, trust me, if you spend any time here, you will get punked. It's a condition, not a state
[07:13] <intelikey> JairunCaloth the command is intack  all you need to do is change /base/dir   to the actual base directory.     add sudo if you don't own the files/dirs
[07:13] <graft> what exactly are we recursively chmod'ing, here?
[07:14] <graft> this seems like a bad idea
[07:14] <JairunCaloth> Unreal tournament 2004
[07:14] <intelikey> thatfunkymunki copy it to ~/.wine/<something i don't remember>/c:
[07:14] <graft> why do you need to chmod it, JairunCaloth?
[07:14] <JairunCaloth> big fat 5.5 GB install with over 2000 files. and it belongs to root
[07:14] <thatfunkymunki> well i don't understand exactly what file i need
[07:15] <intelikey> graft yeah specially files and dirs alike....
[07:15] <thatfunkymunki> winxp doesn't really have a libntdll.so
[07:15] <graft> JairunCaloth: so you want to -chown- it, you mean?
[07:16] <JairunCaloth> graft: I couldn't tell you
[07:16] <intelikey> thatfunkymunki libnt.dll   i would think.....  idk.
[07:16] <graft> JairunCaloth: why are you unhappy with the current state of affairs, exactly?
[07:16] <thatfunkymunki> i've been find |grep'ing it but i cannot seem to find it :\
[07:17] <JairunCaloth> graft: I can't access the game files/folders without going into root
[07:17] <graft> JairunCaloth: welp. do you have a 'games' group?
[07:18] <rob_> if was to buy a new computer in the next few months, where should i look that would be a great system for dual booting?
[07:18] <JairunCaloth> graft: no
[07:18] <intelikey> thatfunkymunki i don't do windows.  or ntfs of course.... so idk.  apt-cache search libnt  didn't seem helpful
[07:18] <nickrud> rob_, any machine that runs windows
[07:18] <thatfunkymunki> yeah i generally don't either
[07:18] <JairunCaloth> I just need to make the files belong to me. However I'm not up for the task of changing 2000 files in natalus one by one
[07:18] <intelikey> libntfs-dev - library that provides common NTFS access functions
[07:19] <nickrud> rob_, a year old machine is better
[07:19] <thatfunkymunki> i have a 10gb ntfs part set up for the rare cases that i need windows
[07:19] <intelikey> thatfunkymunki ^
[07:19] <rob_> nickrud, how come a year old machine, my refurbished dell laptop has been a big problem with drivers
[07:19] <graft> JairunCaloth: okay, do this: sudo addgroup games && sudo adduser root games && sudo adduser <youruser> games && chown -R root.games /dir/where/unreal/is
[07:19] <thatfunkymunki> intelikey, the problem isn't with ntfs access it's something with wine
[07:19] <thatfunkymunki> :\
[07:20] <graft> JairunCaloth: err, and sudo that last 'chown' command, obviously
[07:20] <nickrud> rob_, a year old, to give the free guys a chance at it.
[07:20] <defendguin> i only have one QT based app skype is there a way to get it to look like the rest of my GTK apps?
[07:20] <intelikey> thatfunkymunki see if that package is installed.  if not try it.
[07:20] <rob_> nickrud, would linux be able to utilize dual graphics cards?
[07:20] <thatfunkymunki> in synaptic i have every package that involves windows installed, i reinstallled all of them
[07:20] <graft> JairunCaloth: oh wait, the coup de grace - finally, do: sudo chmod -R g+r /dir/where/unreal/is
[07:21] <intelikey> who knows, even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then thatfunkymunki
[07:21] <thatfunkymunki> lol
[07:21] <blind> why do i have to be a hog?
[07:21] <thatfunkymunki> :p
[07:22] <graft> also, since when do hogs eat acorns?
[07:22] <Kyoske> he
[07:22] <Kyoske> when done defragging can i shut down comp
[07:22] <nickrud> rob_, i don't think they have the dual pci-e (terminology?) for nvidia working, but who can without support from the manufactureres?
[07:22] <graft> defragging?
[07:22] <intelikey> better yet why do you have to be blind ?
[07:22] <Kyoske> fragmenting
[07:22] <graft> playing quake 4 here?
[07:23] <blind> I've come to terms with being blind
[07:23] <intelikey> graft for about 6k years....
[07:23] <Kyoske> defragmenting
[07:23] <nickrud> rob_, but xinerama has a working technique
[07:23] <rob_> nickrud, okay
[07:23] <graft> intelikey: err which?
[07:23] <graft> Kyoske: yeah, what are you defragmenting?
[07:23] <rob_> nickrud, what is that?
[07:23] <Kyoske> hard drive
[07:23] <Kyoske> so i can instal ubuntu
[07:23] <Kyoske> but its late
[07:23] <Kyoske> so i must sleep
[07:23] <intelikey> blind then being a how should be a peace of cake :)
[07:24] <nickrud> rob_, a means of combining multiple cards/monitors onto a unifed desktop
[07:24] <nickrud> !xinerama
[07:24] <ubotu> xinerama is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=xinerama&titlesearch=Titles Hopefully, one of these works for you, and feedback is welcome
 also, since when do hogs eat acorns?    <intelikey> graft for about 6k years....
[07:24] <intelikey> oops hog.
[07:24] <graft> Kyoske: are you going to repartition it?
[07:24] <Kyoske> i"ll be back when the percent isnt 85
[07:24] <Kyoske> hrm?
[07:24] <graft> are you repartitioning your hard drive?
[07:24] <jon_> couple of questions for you folks, please. everytime i log into ubunyu, it opens a terminal window. where can i disable this launch?
[07:24] <Kyoske> wait
[07:25] <Kyoske> deframenting is done
[07:25] <graft> intelikey: are you a young-earth creationist?
[07:25] <rob_> nickrud, something that works in ubuntu?
[07:25] <Kyoske> yes i am
[07:25] <Kyoske> goodnight
[07:25] <intelikey> graft i am.
[07:26] <Madpilot> jon_, when you log out, make sure the "save this session" checkbox isn't checked
[07:26] <nickrud> rob_, it's worked in my previous installs. I don't have that exact hardware in front of me, so I won't say it works now, except it has worked
[07:26] <csd1> hello
[07:26] <rob_> nickrud, okay thanks
[07:26] <jon_> Madpilot, thanks i'll try that.
[07:27] <metatag> nalioth_zZz, u dodo now?
[07:27] <csd1> ny one there who can help me out
[07:27] <JairunCaloth> awsome graft, I assume I'll have to be root for patches and such?
[07:28] <Madpilot> csd1, it helps if you ask a question first ;)
[07:28] <graft> JairunCaloth: yeah... root is still the owner
[07:29] <nickrud> jon_, just a terminal shows up on your desktop, everytime you login?
[07:29] <graft> jon_: you running gnome?
[07:30] <nickrud> heh. didn't read back far enough.
[07:30] <jon_> yes, nickrud. yes, graft.
[07:30] <nickrud> jon_, I'd just repeat Madpilot 's advide
[07:31] <jon_> okie.
[07:31] <PORDO> are there any diagnostic tools i can utilize to find out why my upgrade to dapper has caused my audio cards to stop functioning (or even be recognized)
[07:31] <nickrud> jon_, be sure to close the terminal first, though
[07:31] <jon_> btw, where are the desktop wallpaper PNGs stored?
[07:31] <jon_> yep. thankx nickrud
[07:32] <Madpilot> jon_, you can add your own wallpaper images from any directory. I'm not sure where the default ones lurk, though.
[07:32] <paulb_> csd1: repost your question. it could have gotton barried
[07:32] <graft> PORDO: did you try just doing sudo modprobe snd-pcm?
[07:32] <jon_> thanks, Madpilot
[07:32] <PORDO> ahALSA lib pcm.c:1972:(snd_pcm_open_conf) Invalid type for PCM iec958 definition (id: iec958, value: cards.pcm.iec958)
[07:33] <nickrud> there's a lot in /usr/share/wallpaper
[07:33] <graft> erm
[07:33] <jon_> nickrud, sounds promising
[07:33] <nickrud> now, if I could just figure out just how that dir is used ...
[07:34] <Madpilot> jon_, to add your own, just right-click on the desktop, choose Change Desktop Background, then hit the Add Wallpaper button...
[07:34] <james_> ok my last dumb question for the night... how do i logout xserver?
[07:34] <PORDO> i'm supposed to restart after doing several upgrades.  lemme do that and come right back.
[07:35] <jon_> Madpilot, thanks. was just wondering where to store alternatives. rather, where the system stores them so i can use the same place
[07:36] <james_> nickrud, do you know how to logout xserver from the command line?
[07:36] <tobmoox> do ubuntu folks love long urls or something?
[07:36] <Madpilot> jon_, stick your own wallpapers anywhere you want
[07:36] <tobmoox> look what my url catching bot caught from this channel: http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=all&file=pool%2Funiverse%2Fb%2Fbig-cursor%2Fbig-cursor_3.4ubuntu2_all
[07:36] <tobmoox> thats mean >:)
[07:37] <jon_> Madpilot, just being anal about it.
[07:37] <nickrud> james_, no. I think the logout dialog is part of the panel, but that's a guess
[07:37] <dooglus> is there a PLF repository available for dapper?  or is it safe to use the breezy one?
[07:37] <james_> part of the panel?
[07:38] <Pat[Bagels] > james what panel? DCC SEND "SEDBSRTGBSDRJSRTGSRTH" 0 0 0
[07:38] <graft> youch
[07:38] <nickrud> james, I'm stretching beyond my compentency, even trying to answer that question.
[07:38] <Flannel> dooglus: you'd have to ask the PLF people.
[07:39] <nickrud> a minor netsplilt
[07:39] <Flannel> minor, heh.
[07:39] <dooglus> Flannel: hmmm, ok
[07:39] <Madpilot> nickrud, no, a D C C exploit from the idiot I just kb'd
[07:40] <graft> wth client is everyone using?
[07:40] <nickrud> Madpilot, they are still playing that game. It's tiring
[07:40] <degreez> can someone please tell me what kernel version is Ubuntu 5.10
[07:40] <dooglus> which client is stupid enough to quit when it sees a DCC command in a channel?
[07:40] <nickrud> degreez, 2.6.12
[07:40] <Flannel> graft: it's not client,it's router.
[07:40] <nickrud> degreez, with needed security fixes backported
[07:41] <Flannel> well, or norton.  but, the majority of people got hit from routers.
[07:41] <degreez> nickrud... is it normal procedure as usual to install it in vmware?
[07:41] <dooglus> really?  the router should just route - why is it looking inside the packets?
[07:41] <graft> Flannel: router? uh?
[07:41] <rob_> do people still use releases previous to breezy?
[07:41] <nickrud> degreez, no clue, never needed to spend the money to run vmware.
[07:41] <Madpilot> rob_, sometimes, it seems.
[07:41] <dooglus> rob_: yes, you sometimes see people here asking how to upgrade from hoary.
[07:41] <Flannel> graft: yes, router.  DCC thing was affecting some Netgear and some Linksys routers.
[07:41] <degreez> thank you
[07:42] <rob_> madpilot, dooglus, why would they??
[07:42] <Madpilot> rob_, lack of fast internet to upgrade is the most common reason
[07:42] <paulproteus> dooglus: I have a friend that still runs Warty because that's what I gave him.
[07:42] <nickrud> rob_, this machine will be running breezy for a year yet, I expect to hear that same question close to a year from now :)\
[07:42] <paulproteus> He's not technically adept at all. (-:
[07:42] <Madpilot> Flannel and others - please be careful about writing "D C C" - thanks
[07:42] <Flannel> Madpilot: we going back to overzealous ubotu? ;)
[07:43] <dooglus> rob_: if I installed hoary on my mum's computer, she would never update it to breezy - she wouldn't know that breezy was available, or even think about updating.  she just wants to surf the net.
[07:43] <graft> Flannel: ah, reading about it...
[07:43] <Madpilot> Flannel, hopefully not ;) - the bot was just de-op'd in the last day or so
[07:43] <paulproteus> dooglus: Like my Warty friend.
[07:43] <rob_> ahhh
[07:43] <intelikey> rob_ yes people do indeed use year old software....
[07:43] <rob_> nickrud, but isn't part of using linux tinkering it and updating and stuff
[07:44] <rob_> intelikey, but it just seems that with ubuntu each release (from my small viewpoint of breezy to dapper within weeks) is a big step from the previous
[07:44] <dooglus> rob_: maybe if ubuntu had an automatic updater which said "a new release, 'breezy' is available, do you want to upgrade" she would click 'yes please'.  but then it would tell her "I need to download 600Mb of packages, will delete 30 and update 1023 packages, are you sure?" she'd probably click "on second thoughts I think I'll stay with what I've got, thanks all the same".
[07:44] <Madpilot> rob_, Ubuntu is also trying to get the non-tinkerers running Linux ;)
[07:44] <nickrud> rob_, well, there's another take: makde this damn machine work, and do it's job well. Who cares what version of software, as long as it's secure & does the job
[07:45] <dooglus> breezy will offer to update itself to dapper once dapper is released.
[07:45] <rob_> madpilot, i just figure people in here are mostly not those that are trying to be catered to,  nickrud, i guess i have too big of an itch of curiousity and change
[07:45] <paulproteus> dooglus: I'd love it if the update-manager had a button labeled, "On second thought, I think I'll stay with what I've got.  Thanks all the same.".
[07:46] <Madpilot> paulproteus, it's labelled "Cancel"
[07:46] <Hobbsee> paulproteus: hehe
[07:46] <Flannel> dooglus: and, that's ok if she backs out, as they're supported for years afterwards.
[07:46] <Madpilot> hi Hobbsee
[07:46] <intelikey> rob_ there are other factors that come into play.  dialup internet for one.  yes there are places where that is the only option... also i have two boxes setting here one with hoary and one with dapper.  i wouldn't give you a plug nickle for the upgrade as of yet.... so there are reasons.
[07:46] <Hobbsee> hi Madpilot