[00:48] <jscinoz> when the topic says "DO NOT RUN HARDY" is that saying something is majorly borked atm? o r was it meant to say "do not run hardy on production machines"
[00:49] <selckin> read the parts before it
[00:49] <coz_> jscinoz,  yeah if you are not sure of how to resolve dependencies then........
[00:49] <jscinoz> ah :P
[00:50] <coz_> jscinoz, i am running hardy at this moment
[00:50] <jscinoz> i'd probably be running hardy atm, but i hear that audio is kinda borked because the switch from alsa to pulse isnt finished
[00:58] <RAOF> jscinoz: That'd be incorrect.  There isn't a switch from ALSA to pulseaudio.  There's a switch from ESD (which practically nobody used) to PulseAudio (which is now enabled).
[00:59] <jscinoz> ah
[01:28] <Amaranth> RAOF: Although technically it is a switch from ALSA to Pulseaudio since everything just used ALSA directly rather than deal with ESD :P
[01:29] <RAOF> Amaranth: Heh.
[01:29] <FliesLikeABrick> is anyone here running hardy on an Eee, or any other machine with an Attansic L2 ethernet adapter, for that matter?
[01:29] <WorkingOnWise> how do I disable Composite in X so Compiz-Fusion will not work?
[01:30] <FliesLikeABrick> why not just turn off compiz-fusion in your preferences
[01:30] <FliesLikeABrick> ?
[01:30] <Amaranth> WorkingOnWise: just login to a failsafe GNOME session and turn it off
[01:30] <DarkMageZ> WorkingOnWise, or Section "Extensions"
[01:30] <DarkMageZ> 	Option		"Composite"	"0"
[01:30] <DarkMageZ> EndSection in xorg.conf
[01:31] <RAOF> But then you won't be able to use Metacity's new compositor :)
[01:31] <WorkingOnWise> FliesLikeABrick: I turned it off 3 times by selecting Metacity as and GTK, but every login CF is back on.
[01:31] <FliesLikeABrick> When I upgraded from 2.6.24-4-generic to anything newer, support for my ethernet card disappeared
[01:31] <FliesLikeABrick> what source package would that bug get reported to?
[01:31] <WorkingOnWise> DarkMageZ: I think thats what I'm looking for. Thanks
[01:33] <WorkingOnWise> DarkMageZ: would that go in Section "Device"?
[01:34] <Amaranth> WorkingOnWise: no, it is a separate section of its own
[01:34] <WorkingOnWise> Amaranth: what do I call the section?
[01:35] <DarkMageZ> WorkingOnWise, see how i declare a section. then declare a variable and its number then close it?
[01:35] <WorkingOnWise> all the sections begin  with Section "SomeName"
[01:37] <WorkingOnWise> I was under the impression that all sections had to have a name, then the declaration, and then EndSection
[01:42] <lime4x4> is there a problem with the forcedeth.ko module?
[01:48] <FliesLikeABrick> what package should I put a bug in for if a module hasn't been working >= 2.6.24-5-generic ?
[02:10] <davide> excuse me I installed hardy and there is a new entry in the grub menu: there are both the usual kernel-...-generic and kernel-...-386. What is the last one? It doesn't boot if I run the 386 one. Thank you
[02:14] <cwillu> !motd
[02:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about motd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:15] <cwillu> davide, this probably doesn't help you now, but the motd is apropos
[02:17] <davide> sorry, I didn't understand what you said
[02:18] <cwillu> """If you are here to ask questions such as "what repositories do i use?", "is hardy going to break for me?", update without checking what is to be updated, or do not know how to resolve dependancies with apt, DO NOT RUN HARDY"""
[02:19] <cwillu> That said, the generic kernel is the one you want
[02:19] <scizzo-> well one more reason to wish for <IP_ADDRESS> to enter hardy
[02:19] <scizzo-> http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/27704
[02:19] <cwillu> and I hope you're interested in having a bunch of learning experiences from here until hardy goes final in march :p
[02:20] <cwillu> scizzo-, it'll go in as far as I know
[02:20] <scizzo-> well good to know its a local exploit
[02:20] <scizzo-> not a remote one
[02:20] <cwillu> doesn't take much to turn a local exploit into a remote exploit though
[02:22] <scizzo-> true
[02:23] <cwillu> they have patches against 2.6.22 as well, so I'd expect to see gutsy, fiesty, etc updates pretty quick
[02:24] <FliesLikeABrick> what are you guys talking about? I missed the beginning of the topic
[03:02] <DoYouKnow> is there a problem in hardy where the installation window goes off the edge of the screen?
[03:05] <DoYouKnow> I am using vmware workstation 6
[03:05] <DoYouKnow> still figuring out if this is the guest os or the virtual machine that's causing this...
[03:13]  * cyphase just looked at xorg.conf in hardy
[03:13] <cyphase> very empty :)
[03:16] <cyphase> anyone know if anyone is working on displayconfig-gtk for hardy?
[03:40] <DanaG> I wish some official developer would comment on the the keyboard-stuckage (yes, I know that's not a real word) bug.
[03:42] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/124406
[03:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124406 in ubuntu "Keyboard keys get stuck and repeat (Feisty, Gutsy)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[04:04] <ethana2> it's official: the drivers for the Brother BCP-7020 printer are borked
[04:04] <ethana2> DCP-7020*
[05:20] <starscalling> ok
[05:20] <starscalling> doing upgrade process via apt-get upgrade and now sudo broken - any anything useing it
[05:20] <starscalling> ; ;
[05:20] <starscalling> !sudo
[05:20] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information.
[05:20] <starscalling> grar
[05:27] <johnny> hi, anybody here able to run Xnest in hardy?
[06:01] <bullgard4> Does dhelp work all right in Hardy? (It does not seem to output any results in Gutsy.)
[06:02] <nekostar> Removing sun-java6-bin ...
[06:02] <nekostar> /usr/share/icons/sun-java6.png is not a directory
[06:02] <nekostar> dpkg: error processing sun-java6-bin (--remove):
[06:02] <nekostar>  subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2
[06:02] <nekostar> solution: sudo mkdir /usr/share/icons/sun-java6.png && sudo apt-get --purge remove sun-java6-bin
[06:03] <bullgard4> !punctuation | nekostar
[06:03] <ubotu> nekostar: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[06:04] <nekostar> ~_~
[06:04] <nekostar> not appropriate for that
[06:04] <johnny> yeah.. i agree
[06:04] <johnny> people misuse !puncuation in #ubuntu-*
[06:04] <nekostar> tell me about it
[06:04] <nekostar> and make that #ubuntu*
[06:04] <johnny> try
[06:05] <johnny> err true
[06:05] <nekostar> !punctuation > johnny
[06:05] <nekostar> >.>
[06:05] <johnny> i'm stymied everywhere i turn, to try to get sabayon working with 2.21
[06:05] <johnny> and it's too late to switch sabayon to Xephyr
[06:06] <nekostar> mm
[06:06] <nekostar> played with it
[06:06] <nekostar> didnt see the point
[06:06] <johnny> the point of?
[06:06] <nekostar> sabayon
[06:06] <johnny> i use sabayon at our bookstore cofeehouse
[06:07] <johnny> it is good to maintain profiles for various user types
[06:07] <johnny> single user machines, not useful at all
[06:07] <nekostar> mm
[06:07] <nekostar> ok
[06:07] <nekostar> never tried doing that stuff - no one gets to use my compy but me :D
[06:48] <aLeSD> hi all
[06:49] <aLeSD> I have a problem with ubuntu 8.04 : the mixing sw doesn't work anymore
[06:50] <aLeSD> is alsa the soundsystem, isn't it ?
[07:20] <nekostar> grar~
[07:20] <nekostar> seems nice
[07:20] <nekostar> compiz runs and loads faster
[07:20] <nekostar> ^_^
[07:20] <aLeSD> nekostar: r u using an ATI ?
[07:20] <nekostar> i would say while not perfect my upgrade was fairly painless... and i had lots of non-vanilla-install packages in
[07:20] <nekostar> aLeSD no
[07:20] <nekostar> os[Linux 2.6.24-7-generic - Debian lenny/sid - Ubuntu DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu ( http://www.ubuntu.com )] | up[9 minutes] | cpu[Genuine Intel(R) CPU            2160  @ 1.80GHz SMP (2 processors), 2690.119 MHz (10764.57 bogomips)] | chipset[Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ/P/PL Memory Controller Hub (rev 02)] | video[nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT (rev a1) at 3080x1050 (32 bits)] | opengl[GeForce 8600 GT/PCI/SSE2 powered by NVIDIA Corporation with dr
[07:20] <nekostar> iver 2.1.2 NVIDIA 169.09] | xchat[Version: 2.8.4] | [sysinfo-dg 1.1-DocTrax_1.46]
[07:21] <nekostar> by default updating from gutsy it installed the i386 package
[07:21] <nekostar> but installed generic and vua la there were my cpu's :D
[07:22] <nekostar> tho sudo did break on the way in - spammed problem and solution a bit earlier - sun-java6-bin was looking for its icon to actually be a folder for some reason in the root of the /usr/share/icons folder so i made a folder called that and it seems to be perfectly happy now
[07:23] <nekostar> couple other little things - better take out libgpod etc before upgrading and i was good to go
[07:24] <nekostar> though ive yet to see a button to go from the add/remove applications >> synaptic..
[07:26] <aLeSD> nekostar: does the sound sw mixing work for u ?
[07:27] <nekostar> aLeSD mm?
[07:27] <nekostar> i get sound yes
[07:27] <aLeSD> nekostar: two application in the samen time
[07:27] <nekostar> hm
[07:28] <aLeSD> cause in my case the use of the device is exclusive .... and I can't use more application ... :|
[07:28] <nekostar> yeah
[07:28] <nekostar> works fine
[07:28] <johnny> i've only got hardy in a vm
[07:29] <aLeSD> nekostar: what kind of hw ?
[07:29] <johnny> trying to test an xnest bug, but i can't even get it to work :)
[07:29] <nekostar> redo your sound
[07:29] <nekostar> its probably on oss
[07:29] <nekostar> make it into alsa
[07:29] <nekostar> aLeSD my sound card is audigy 2
[07:29] <aLeSD> ah
[07:29] <nekostar> ive still not enough power with ym cpu tho
[07:29] <aLeSD> creative supports hw mixing
[07:30] <nekostar> 1.8ghz dual core c2d oc'd to 2.7
[07:30] <nekostar> aLeSD yeah
[07:30] <aLeSD> my card not
[07:30] <nekostar> alsa-oss is a alsa wrapper for oss applications
[07:30] <ethana3> PA can use all OSS and ALSA drivers, right?
[07:30] <aLeSD> yes ... but I'm using rhytmbox and audiology
[07:30] <aLeSD> they uses alsa
[07:30] <nekostar> change the driver they use
[07:31] <aLeSD> I think it's the change to portaudio
[07:31] <nekostar> set them up for oss
[07:31] <nekostar> and use the wrapper or so
[07:31] <nekostar> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us_2.3-5_all.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/myspell/dicts/hyph_en_US.dic', which is also in package openoffice.org-hyphenation
[07:31] <nekostar>  ~___~
[07:32] <aLeSD> what is the alsa configuration file ?
[07:33] <aLeSD> s/what/where
[07:39] <nekostar> do you have the pulseaudio in?
[07:39] <nekostar> make sure to have pulseaudio-module-gonf and pulseaudio-module-hal
[07:39] <nekostar> mm
[07:39] <nekostar> seems to have problems with exclusive locks for dpkg/apt/
[07:48] <aLeSD> hi again
[07:49] <ethana3> hello
[07:49] <aLeSD> someone here has an ATI ?
[07:49] <ethana3> i do
[07:50] <ethana3> Radeon 9200SE PCI 128MB
[07:50] <aLeSD> hey the audio works !!! ... I have to change all the output to pulseaudio ...
[07:51] <aLeSD> ethana3: does the 3d works for u ?
[07:51] <ethana3> yes
[07:51] <ethana3> pulse audio is the sound server in gutsy
[07:51] <ethana3> where else are you going to send it?
[07:51] <ethana3> right to the metal?  for shame
[07:52] <ethana3> aLeSD: what card do you have, by the way?
[07:52] <aLeSD> ethana3: to alsa directly
[07:52] <aLeSD> ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Xpress 1250ù
[07:52] <aLeSD> ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Xpress 1250
[07:52] <ethana3> ^_^
[07:53] <aLeSD> ethana3: my problem is the kernel driver
[07:53] <ethana3> I don't know what chipset that card uses..
[07:53] <ethana3> DRI module?
[07:53] <aLeSD> yes
[07:53] <ethana3> ooohh..  I've never had a problem like that
[07:53] <aLeSD> the xorg module can't dind it
[07:53] <ethana3> lsmod | grep dri
[07:53] <aLeSD> could u run a lsmod | grep fglrx
[07:54] <ethana3> fglrx?  good heavens no
[07:54] <crdlb> those cards use completely different drivers
[07:54] <ethana3> I use radeon
[07:54] <ethana3> oh they do?  seriously?
[07:54] <crdlb> the 9200 cannot use fglrx, and the Xpress 1250 must use fglrx if you want real 3d support
[07:54] <ethana3> uy
[07:54] <aLeSD> ok .. I'm using fglrx ... and before the turn to 8.04 it worked
[07:54] <ethana3> that explains my problems..
[07:55] <aLeSD> crdlb .. where is my fglrx.ko module ?
[07:55] <aLeSD> I can't find it in the restricted drivers package
[07:55] <crdlb> hiding in /lib/linux-restricted-modules
[07:55] <aLeSD> ehm
[07:56] <crdlb> it's supposed to be copied to /lib/modules/ at boot, but sometimes doesn't work, particularly if you tried using the ATI installer or envy
[07:56] <aLeSD> crdlb: I'm using only the ubuntu packages
[07:58] <aLeSD> crdlb
[07:58] <aLeSD> dpkg -L linux-restricted-modules
[07:58] <aLeSD> /usr/share
[07:58] <aLeSD> /usr/share/doc
[07:58] <aLeSD> /usr/share/doc/linux-restricted-modules
[07:58] <aLeSD> /usr/share/doc/linux-restricted-modules/copyright
[07:58] <aLeSD> /usr/share/doc/linux-restricted-modules/changelog.gz
[07:58] <aLeSD> nothing more
[07:59] <crdlb> dpkg -L linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[07:59] <aLeSD> wow
[08:00] <aLeSD> dpkg -L linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) | grep fglrx
[08:00] <aLeSD> /lib/linux-restricted-modules/2.6.24-7-generic/fglrx
[08:00] <aLeSD> /lib/linux-restricted-modules/2.6.24-7-generic/fglrx/firegl_public.o
[08:00] <aLeSD> /lib/linux-restricted-modules/2.6.24-7-generic/fglrx/libfglrx_ip.a.GCC4
[08:00] <aLeSD> /lib/linux-restricted-modules/2.6.24-7-generic/fglrx/fglrx.mod.o
[08:00] <aLeSD> /usr/share/linux-restricted-modules/2.6.24-7-generic/modules.alias.override/fglrx
[08:00] <aLeSD> no .ko
[08:00] <aLeSD> crdlb: is it strange ?
[08:01] <RAOF> aLeSD: No, not at all.  The restricted modules get linked on boot by l-r-m
[08:02] <aLeSD> RAOF: help
[08:02] <aLeSD> l-r-m
[08:03] <RAOF> linux-restricted-modules
[08:03] <aLeSD> I can't find in my system any fglrx.ko
[08:03] <RAOF> Is your driver in xorg.conf set to fglrx?
[08:03] <RAOF> Was it at boot?
[08:04] <aLeSD> RAOF: yes ... I have it .. I have a strange symlink
[08:04] <aLeSD> look
[08:04] <aLeSD> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 2007-12-30 05:47 /var/lib/dkms/fglrx/8.443.1/fglrx.ko -> 2.6.x/fglrx.ko
[08:04] <aLeSD> it doesn't exist
[08:05] <RAOF> That's not an answer to my questions :)
[08:05] <aLeSD> ops
[08:05] <aLeSD> Is your driver in xorg.conf set to fglrx? yes
[08:05] <RAOF> Also, I didn't know fglrx used dkms.
[08:05] <aLeSD> Was it at boot? what do u mean
[08:06] <RAOF> As in: have you changed it since you booted?
[08:06] <aLeSD> no
[08:06] <aLeSD> RAOF ... I need only my fglrx.ko
[08:06] <RAOF> Right.  Finally, does /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common have anything in DISABLED_MODULES?
[08:07] <atrus> trying out compiz in hardy. it works graphically, except that it seems to often lock modifier keys like shift or super down, such that i have no way of releasing them and using the desktop normally anymore.
[08:07] <aLeSD> shit
[08:07] <aLeSD> DISABLED_MODULES="fglrx"
[08:07] <aLeSD> who did it ??
[08:07] <RAOF> !ohmy | aLeSD
[08:07] <ubotu> aLeSD: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[08:07] <aLeSD> sorry
[08:08] <RAOF> Also, :P!
[08:08] <aLeSD> so I have to comment it out andreinstall restricted-modules .. ?
[08:08] <crdlb> no, just reboot
[08:09] <crdlb> or run: sudo lrm-manager
[08:09] <RAOF> aLeSD: Just remove fglrx from DISABLED_MODULES, and... or sudo /etc/init.d/linux-restricted-modules start :)
[08:09] <aLeSD> crdlb: does it will compile the module ?
[08:10] <RAOF> Link it, yes.
[08:13] <aLeSD> lex@explorer:/var/lib/dkms/fglrx/8.443.1$ sudo /etc/init.d/linux-restricted-modules-common restart
[08:13] <aLeSD> alex@explorer:/var/lib/dkms/fglrx/8.443.1$ sudo lrm-manager
[08:13] <aLeSD> alex@explorer:/var/lib/dkms/fglrx/8.443.1$ modprobe fglrx
[08:13] <aLeSD> FATAL: Error running install command for fglrx
[08:13] <aLeSD> alex@explorer:/var/lib/dkms/fglrx/8.443.1$ lsmod | grep fglrx
[08:14] <aLeSD> RAOF: ... ok my way : where is the file that all the scripts have to link to ?
[08:15] <aLeSD> :°
[08:15] <RAOF> aLeSD: You probably need to modprobe -r the open-source kernel module.  Or just reboot.
[08:16] <RAOF> It's (generally) not *necessary* to reboot, it can just be easier :)
[08:17] <aLeSD> I'll be back
[08:17] <aLeSD> RAOF: but pls ... could u tell me where is the module ?
[08:18] <aLeSD> no the link ... I want the .ko
[08:18] <DarkMageZ> RAOF, E: Couldn't find package ia64-libs
[08:18] <DarkMageZ> opps, wrong channel ッ
[08:19] <RAOF> Why would he want the .ko?
[08:20] <DarkMageZ> cause it's nessesary for fglrx to work
[08:20] <DarkMageZ> i thought that's what modprobe loaded
[08:21] <DarkMageZ> and what lrm put in the correct place when not disabled
[08:21] <fr500> hey again
[08:22] <RAOF> Yeah, but he'd already got the module in the right place care of... oh, actually no.  He didn't run what I told him to :)
[08:22] <aLeSD> ok ok
[08:22] <aLeSD> u win
[08:22] <aLeSD> I have 3d
[08:22] <aLeSD> thanks
[08:22] <crdlb> RAOF is made of win
[08:23] <RAOF> He's on FIRE!
[08:23] <DarkMageZ> i worry about RAOF's internet connection tho. bloody tpg :p
[08:24] <RAOF> Eh, not so bad.  Not too expensive, fast enough.  Generally. :)
[08:24] <DarkMageZ> staff no speak enlish
[08:24] <DarkMageZ> english*
[08:24] <fr500> do you think there is a way to hook up a qvga screen to a normal pc as a display
[08:24] <fr500> for experiments :p
[08:24] <RAOF> Oh, as long as the tubes are connected to me I need not speak to them!
[08:25] <DarkMageZ> i hope you pray often enough to make sure that happens.
[08:27] <aLeSD> alex@explorer:~$ compiz
[08:27] <aLeSD> Checking for Xgl: not present.
[08:27] <aLeSD> Detected PCI ID for VGA: 01:05.0 0300: 1002:7942 (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
[08:27] <aLeSD> Checking for texture_from_pixmap: not present.
[08:27] <aLeSD> Trying again with indirect rendering:
[08:27] <aLeSD> Checking for texture_from_pixmap: not present.
[08:27] <DarkMageZ> i remember when i was with them... i remember the conversations i had with one of their level 2 support staff...
[08:27] <aLeSD> aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity
[08:27] <DarkMageZ> fglrx? not going to happen in hardy
[08:28] <DarkMageZ> aLeSD, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/173663
[08:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173663 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "[fglrx] compiz will not launch with fglrx driver - falls back to metacity on xserver 1.4 (1.3 is ok)" [High,Confirmed]
[08:28] <crdlb> install xserver-xgl
[08:28] <RAOF> DarkMageZ: I haven't had any problems with that, which is nice.
[08:28] <RAOF> Damnit!  I *still* have to support Xgl? :(
[08:28] <crdlb> hehe
[08:29] <DarkMageZ> RAOF, no. feel free to drop the package.
[08:29]  * crdlb wonders if ATI will "fix" (I use this word loosely) fglrx in time for hardy
[08:29] <DarkMageZ> is xorg server 1.4 officially released yet? NO
[08:29] <crdlb> ?
[08:30] <crdlb> it was officially released months ago
[08:30] <crdlb> in Xorg 7.3
[08:30] <nekostar> o:
[08:30] <DarkMageZ> really? i though xorg server 1.3 was used in xorg 7.3. odd.
[08:30] <crdlb> no
[08:30] <nekostar> hardy is quite nice for the record
[08:30] <crdlb> they're out of sync
[08:30] <nekostar> stable enough to be called windows
[08:30] <nekostar> >_>
[08:30]  * nekostar runz
[08:31] <DarkMageZ> nekostar, yeah. you better run. *shakes fist*
[08:31] <DarkMageZ> :p
[08:31] <aLeSD> DarkMageZ: so I have to wait or install xgl ?
[08:31] <crdlb> yup
[08:32] <DarkMageZ> aLeSD, there's always the 3'rd option
[08:32] <aLeSD> DarkMageZ: I'll love it
[08:32]  * crdlb isn't going to like this
[08:32] <aLeSD> what about the 3rd ?
[08:32] <crdlb> (unless it's "go back to gutsy" :P)
[08:32] <DarkMageZ> aLeSD, hostage situation at ATi/AMD headquarters
[08:33] <crdlb> XD
[08:33] <johnny> now if only i could get Xnest working
[08:33] <aLeSD> :D
[08:33]  * crdlb was wrong
[08:33] <johnny> so i can get my gnome app workin in a gnome 2.21
[08:33] <aLeSD> I'll wait
[08:33] <DarkMageZ> :( no-one ever takes the 3'rd option
[08:33] <johnny> anybody here having Xnest working?
[08:34] <johnny> ultimately trying to test a gnome-settings-daemon bug
[08:34] <johnny> i have it replicated in my gentoo install
[08:34] <johnny> now i just need to see if it works in hardy
[08:36] <nekostar> mm really tho quite impressive
[08:36] <aLeSD> all is working ... less flash that doens't use pulseaudio and skype that doesn't use pulseaudio
[08:36] <nekostar> er...
[08:36]  * nekostar checks utub
[08:37] <nekostar> mine's working
[08:37] <nekostar> but wow its ugly
[08:37] <nekostar> hm
[08:38] <nekostar> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INttODEPzp0&eurl=http://www.inuyasha-lives.info/amazingvid/    Christianity Taught by an Atheist -Interview with an atheist  bit shaky
[08:39] <aLeSD> nekostar: why did u disactivated the sw mixing in alsa ?
[08:39] <nekostar> ?
[08:39] <nekostar> i didnt
[08:39] <nekostar> i dont have to mess with that stuff
[08:39] <aLeSD> lol
[08:39] <aLeSD> why the alsa sw mixing is disactivated ?
[08:39] <DanaG> !info libflashsupport
[08:40] <ubotu> libflashsupport (source: libflashsupport): Support library for sound output of Flash 9 with pulseaudio. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.9-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 8 kB, installed size 64 kB
[08:40] <DanaG> Oh, PulseAudio disables dmix so it can measure latency on various audio devices, for the sake of synchronization.
[08:40] <aLeSD> I mean all the application that support pulseaudio have sw mixing ... but the old ones no.
[08:40] <DanaG> Dmix would introduce a delay that PulseAudio wouldn't be able to measure.
[08:40] <aLeSD> DanaG: ah ... ok
[08:41] <DanaG> You can install libasound2-plugins and do asoundconf set-pulseaudio
[08:41] <DanaG> Be aware that some apps don't get along well with PulseAudio.
[08:41] <aLeSD> DanaG: is  libasound2-plugins trasparent ?
[08:42] <DanaG> Look up "perfect setup" on the PulseAudio wiki.
[08:42] <DanaG> I have to go to bed now, though.
[08:42] <aLeSD> DanaG: thanks ... I'm just waking up
[08:43] <DanaG> Pacific timezone for me -- it's 1 AM.
[08:43] <DanaG> Or rather, 12:43.
[08:43] <nekostar> well the important part is my anime plays fine
[08:43] <nekostar> and now i go to darn bed
[08:44] <ethana3> ^_^
[08:49] <aLeSD> ok I will wait that skype and flash will use pulseaudio
[08:49] <aLeSD> can I return back to 7.10 ?
[08:56] <tumbleweed__> nope
[08:56] <qzio> reinstall
[08:59] <aLeSD> no way. don't look back
[09:02] <aLeSD> wow vmware doesn't compile the module ...
[09:47] <sveri> hey folks, i installed hardy yesterday and it works great :-)
[09:47] <sveri> but if i want to install kde4-core it tells me kdebase-bin-kde3 will be removed, is that ok?
[09:57] <binskipy2u> anyone here using Ubuntu Ultimate?
[10:05] <qzio> hm, in gutsy - if you go change background -> vistual effect there is like a custom settings button
[10:05] <qzio> the thing isnt here in hardy (fresh install)
[10:06] <qzio> i want to change some settings for compiz/gnome
[10:06] <Airplane> hi all
[10:07] <^BiplanO^> my gnome doesn't save my screen resolution settings and my keyboard layout settings!
[10:13] <qzio> ^BiplanO^: im using the default screen resolution, but i think i have the same problem with the layout (which im not using the default...)
[10:13] <^BiplanO^> I have to set them everytime I start gnome
[10:15] <^BiplanO^> moreover icons associated with file types don't work in nautilus
[10:31] <Helvasca> Is it just me, or is batteryy life better in alpha 4?
[10:32] <^BiplanO^> Helvasca, maybe you stopped smoking
[10:32] <^BiplanO^> :p
[10:33] <Helvasca> lol
[11:18] <Gnine> system > administration > screen and graphics - no show | program crashes.  native resolution of 1280x800 is lost after X restart. failure started after setting an external monitor on gateway mt-3422 using nvidia geforce go 6100 with restricted driver
[11:22] <Gnine> related to bug 188562
[11:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188562 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in g_datalist_id_set_data_full()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188562
[11:40] <qzio> hm... compiz i.e the rotating cube works fine
[11:40] <qzio> but scrolling in firefox is dead slow
[11:40] <qzio> laggy
[11:41] <qzio> hmm http://www.google.se/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=4&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FHuawei_E220&ei=8uKuR6vlF5iYwwG_wfF6&usg=AFQjCNFGC6DtrdVo5TNeI8R9t-NMJIXcJA&sig2=MBdoFVbbaa--oaGG7niRew crashes for me 100% of the time
[11:42] <qzio> wtf? nm
[12:09] <cwillu> how do I use 'find' to list files _older_ than a certain number of days?  I can't seem to get -mtime to do what I need
[12:16] <_Pete_> howdy, hardy experts here ? I just upgraded to that and now the machien wont boot. The problem is that root = md0 and that's for somereason is not activated
[12:16] <_Pete_> anyideas how to fix it ?
[12:29] <c1|freaky> _Pete_: u can edit grub menu entries
[12:30] <c1|freaky> there u can change the arguments given to the kernel, the partition and hd which is bootet from etc.
[12:51] <_Pete_> c1|freaky: yes ?
[12:52] <_Pete_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/102933
[12:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 102933 in mdadm "/dev/md0 fails to mount on boot (dup-of: 103177)" [Undecided,Invalid]
[12:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 103177 in initramfs-tools "boot-time race condition initializing md" [Critical,Fix released]
[12:52] <_Pete_> I think it's same bug
[12:52] <c1|freaky> oh ok
[12:55] <shirish> !topic
[12:55] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[12:56] <shirish> guys, is Hardy in a soft freeze state or what?
[12:58] <hyper__ch> hiho nice folks :)
[13:13] <mohbana> ok guys whats a good cvs tool that allows me to deelete projects?
[13:13] <hyper__ch> svn ;)
[13:13] <mohbana> i cant use that because uni only has cvs
[13:13] <selckin> i'd say cvs.
[13:13] <hyper__ch> no clue... never used cvs
[13:14] <hyper__ch> are there official kde4 repos for hardy?
[13:14] <mohbana> cvs is not gui based is it?
[13:16] <hyper__ch> there are cvs gui tools
[13:16] <hyper__ch> did you search the repos?
[13:19] <bSON> has anybody got vmware player to work on hardy? i get an error when trying to build the kernel module: conflicting types for ‘uintptr_t’
[13:19] <shirish> mohbana: there is gcvs as well as some other ones which are shown there.
[13:20] <hyper__ch> bSON: tried the version in the gutsy partner repos?
[13:20] <bSON> hyper__ch: no haven't done so yet, but don't they ship with a pre-built module for the gutsy kernel?
[13:20] <hyper__ch> bSON: dunno
[13:21] <hyper__ch> bSON: I'm currently using also the gutsy medibuntu repos
[13:21] <bSON> hyper__ch: i'll have to look i guess.. thanks
[13:21] <hyper__ch> bSON: but you could be right about it
[13:22] <mohbana> i forgot to mention i want to manage a remote repo
[13:25] <hyper__ch> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4300876
[13:25] <hyper__ch> bSON: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4300876
[13:27] <bSON> hyper__ch: these are several other problems... but thanks anyway, i might add mine too
[13:27] <hyper__ch> once you got it working, post how :)
[13:33] <bSON> ok i'll do ;)
[13:34] <mohbana> someone please help how do i get ccess to a remote cvs so i can delete certain projects i just need a gui front end
[13:34] <hyper__ch> I tend to think you shouldn't be able to delete certain commits
[13:35] <mohbana> i am using eclipse is there a way i can complete overwrite a certain project with what i have in my workspace
[13:38] <mohbana> ok fixed
[13:38] <mohbana> :)
[13:51] <hyper__ch> what's kdebase-bin-kde3 needed for?
[13:59] <gilster> can someone give me a hand with DVD-RAM writing in ubuntu?
[14:00] <hyper__ch> gilster: what's the problem?
[14:01] <gilster> hyper_ch: i got a DVD-RAM disc i want to be able to format it in standard UDF so i can click and drag files to it and burn them on-thefly
[14:05] <hyper__ch> gilster: never tried that
[14:05] <hyper__ch> gilster: and yu mean you got a dvd-rw dics ;) ram and rw are not the same ;)
[14:06] <gilster> NO
[14:06] <gilster> i mean i have DVD-RAM discs
[14:07] <hyper__ch> there are no dvd-ram discs ;)
[14:09] <gilster> what? what are you talking about....
[14:09] <gilster> i got a pack of DVD-RAM discs. what are you going on about.
[14:09] <hyper__ch> gilster: dvd-rw yes, dvd-ram no
[14:09] <gilster> listen DVD-RAM not DVD-RW
[14:10] <hyper__ch> whatever
[14:12] <gilster> if you dont know the answer just tell me you dont know.... dont say there are no DVD-RAM discs that makes you look like an idiot
[14:13] <gilster> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-RAM
[14:18] <gilster> ok, so, does anyone here have experience with the old  DVD-RAM discs
[14:18] <gilster> ?
[14:24] <gilster> hyper__ch: in case you missed that, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-RAM
[14:25] <assasukasse> Hi everyone, does anyone know if the package sl-modem-source has been fixed in hardy? is from gutsy tribe 2 that i can't compile it..
[14:48] <cwillu> assasukasse, checked launchpad?
[14:49] <assasukasse> cwillu: yes, there is a bug there that is open from ages
[14:49] <assasukasse> seems the package maintainer left or is unavailable..
[14:49] <assasukasse> and the package has a compilation error from about 4 months
[14:53] <theunixgeek> I followed http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/07/18/removing-kde-icons-in-gnome-remove-gnome-icons-in-kde/ to remove KDE  apps from the GNOME menus and vice versa; how do I undo it.
[14:54] <theunixgeek> ?
[14:55] <qzio> hm.. is firefox super-slow only for me?
[14:55] <qzio> new fresh alpha 4 install, firefox/firefox-3.0 is ultraslow, like it's on swap or somthing..
[14:56] <qzio> when i rotate the cube and enters a workspace where i have a firefox window, it laggs
[14:56] <qzio> rotate any other window, mutiple terminals etc its smooth and with out lag
[15:25] <muesli> hey guys
[15:26] <muesli> i noticed that my system couldn't boot since 2.6.24-3 anymore
[15:26] <muesli> it spits out a couple of ata related errors and mentions that it disables irq #18 (libata)
[15:26] <muesli> it eventually fails mounting the root device
[15:27] <muesli> i added acpi=off to the kernel options which made it boot again
[15:28] <qzio> anyone else have a laggy firefox when using compiz, but normal when not?
[15:28] <qzio> 3d acc is spelndid, but firefox is superslow when i set visual effects
[16:29] <Assid> heya
[16:56] <Redhammer_the_Ol> hi does anybody else have sound problems with alpha4 and audigy2 pci card ?
[17:26] <mohbana> why do i keep having to reinstall the nvidia drivers each time i upgrade? this is going to be fixed in future releases?
[17:27] <lz7> i doubt it will be fixed, cuz this is by design
[17:28] <lz7> i dont know a details however
[17:28] <lz7> and, this is only applies to kernel updates
[17:31] <hyper__ch> is ubuntuforums down?
[17:32] <robogeek> is anybody here familiar with hald & nis & autofs on hardy heron?
[17:38] <enyc> robogeek: ooer sounds fiddly ;-)  no not me ;-)
[17:38] <robogeek> hmm....
[17:39] <robogeek> I have an NIS/Autofs setup I copied from 7.10 to 8.04a4 and on 8.04a4 the system goes direct into high load average
[17:44] <Assid> heya
[17:49] <hyper__ch> local root-exploit for linux 2.6.17 to <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS> --> http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/2/10/8
[17:50] <lz7> yeah tested that yestarday. looking like improvement for me, really tired of typing sudo lol
[17:51] <hyper__ch> ;)
[17:57] <Assid> w00t.. a few dozen crash reports sent this week
[17:58] <Assid> am uploading a 20odd mb crash report as we speak
[17:58] <hyper__ch> wohoo, I'm a cousin of Angelina Jolie, Claudia Schiffer.....
[17:58] <Assid> hahaha
[17:59] <hyper__ch> well, there's a report on TV in which two danes claim that all people with blue eyes are related :)
[17:59] <Assid> if we follow that.. everyones related thanks to adam and eve
[18:00] <hyper__ch> Assid: well, there's no scientific proof yet for that
[18:00] <Assid> err.. how do i make a shell script that opens a terminal (if someone clicks it from the gui)
[18:01] <Assid> besides the button that says "open in terminal" when you run a shell script
[18:01] <hyper__ch> #!/bin/bash
[18:01] <hyper__ch> konsole
[18:01] <hyper__ch> or make a linker with "konsole"
[18:02] <Assid> hrmm lemme try
[18:03] <hyper__ch> Assid: got it already
[18:03] <hyper__ch> Assid: got dcc enabled?
[18:03] <Assid> yes
[18:03] <Assid> im trying to make it ssh to my servers
[18:04] <hyper__ch> oh, this only opens a terminal windows
[18:05] <Assid> Timeout error
[18:05] <Assid>
[18:05] <Assid> Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad. We’ve recorded what happened, and we’ll fix it as soon as possible. Apologies for the inconvenience.
[18:05] <Assid> wtf.. i just uploaded 20 megs
[18:05] <Assid> where did that go
[18:05] <hyper__ch> ubuntuforums is also down
[18:05] <hyper__ch> dunno if that is related
[18:06] <Assid> probably..
[18:06] <hyper__ch> well, you can link that starter to a shell script which then opens up a ssh connection
[18:07] <Assid> so 2 shellscripts
[18:07] <hyper__ch> in the advanced tab I just checked open in terminal and to keep the terminal open
[18:07] <hyper__ch> no, what I've sent you is not a shellscript at all
[18:07] <Assid> just reported a reproducable bug
[18:07] <hyper__ch> it's just a command "konsole" to be executed
[18:07] <hyper__ch> and instead of just executing "konsole" you could link it to a shell scirp:   sh /path/to/actual/script.sh
[18:07] <nanonyme> konsole probably has some -c or something which lets you give it command line, right?
[18:08] <nanonyme> as in "run this command inside konsole"
[18:12] <Assid> okay got it.. launcher with terminal does the job
[18:19] <mohbana> why do i keep having to reinstall the nvidia drivers each time i upgrade? this is going to be fixed in future releases?
[18:19] <Assid> err.. why cant i right click and create a new launcher from INSIDE nautilis ?
[18:20] <hyper__ch> Assid: because nautilus sux ;)
[18:20] <hyper__ch> Assid: btw, that launcher that I sent you is for KDE ^^ forgot, this is an all *buntu channel
[18:21] <Assid> hyper__ch: err. i made my own by rightclicking on the desktop
[18:21] <hyper__ch> Assid: ^^
[18:22] <Assid> am not using the file you sent me
[18:22] <hyper__ch> Assid: there should be somewhere an option to run it in a terminal and leave the terminal open
[18:22] <Assid> hyper__ch: yeah i got that part
[18:22] <Assid> but i cant make launchers from nautilis.. documents and folders only
[18:22] <hyper__ch> Assid: then you just need to link it a bash script that does what you want
[18:22] <hyper__ch> Assid: nautilus sux... told you so before ;)
[18:22] <Assid> hyper__ch: i got all that.. im good to go
[18:22] <Assid> hrmm
[18:22]  * Assid goes to rant to the gnome people
[18:23] <DanaG> Rant about what?  Sorry, I just entered.
[18:23] <hyper__ch> when I had Gnome I still used Konqueror all the time
[18:23] <hyper__ch> huhu DanaG
[18:27] <WorkingOnWise> anyone here know how I can get Croquet in a deb for Hardy AMD64?
[18:28] <hyper__ch> no
[18:28] <Assid> uhho.. i killed 1 server
[18:36] <hyper__ch> damn, difficult decision to make...
[18:48] <DanaG> argh, no news on my keyboard bug.
[18:55] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/124406
[18:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124406 in ubuntu "Keyboard keys get stuck and repeat (Feisty, Gutsy)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[18:55] <hyper__ch> the US has legalized p2p bittorrent traffic shaping
[18:55] <hyper__ch> so much for the land of the "free"
[18:55] <DanaG> "Since I see many comments about people losing e-mails and other sorts of data due to this bug, I believe this bug should be marked as at least high priority."
[18:56] <DanaG> I wish ISPs would do this:
[18:56] <DanaG> say, "Hey, run bittorrent on specific port X, and we'll set it to low-priority -- and in exchange, we won't actually throttle it".
[18:57] <DanaG> That way torrents take low priority to make it more fair, but you don't get explicitly choked.
[18:57] <hyper__ch> ISPs shouldn't seem it necessary to trhottle p2p traffic at all
[18:58] <hyper__ch> in the end they have a contract with the customer over bandwidth usages
[18:58] <hyper__ch> if the contract says 10mbit down and 2 mbit upload then the isp must be able to provide that
[18:58] <hyper__ch> overbooking of their pipes can't be blamed to customers
[18:59] <hyper__ch> other traffic will also increase... online streaming of music and videos and stuff... and as that is legal - they don't have an excuse for throttling that anymore
[18:59] <hyper__ch> while the web used to be irc, email and webpages with a few images 5 years ago
[19:00] <DanaG> I can apply their "Up To" logic to myself:
[19:00] <DanaG> I can run up to 50 miles per hour........
[19:00] <DanaG> but only if going straight down.
[19:00] <DanaG> It's just as valid as some ISPs' speed claims.
[19:00] <hyper__ch> things have changed.... you can get video streaming from most websites... news sites... sites like youtube....
[19:01] <hyper__ch> sweden is pretty avantgard their
[19:01] <hyper__ch> in the cities cable customers get 100mbit connectiosn with no throttling
[19:01] <hyper__ch> the swedish ISPs have seen the need of high speed bandwidth and have acted upon that
[19:02] <hyper__ch> all others that will not satisfy their customers needs will lose customers
[19:02] <ethana3> so i should consider moving to sweden
[19:02] <hyper__ch> sweden is nice
[19:02] <ethana3> as well as korea, japan, or israel..  got it
[19:02] <alex_mayorga> one more reason
[19:02] <hyper__ch> japan would be also nice
[19:02] <hyper__ch> dunno about korea or israel
[19:03] <johnny> korea had the best penetration last i heard
[19:03] <johnny> across all
[19:03] <DanaG> Oh hell, I just want 10 / 10 up/down megabits.
[19:03] <alex_mayorga> anyone with functional bluetooth?
[19:03] <johnny> maybe it's changed
[19:03] <hyper__ch> wasn't there a guy who fell into a coma because of playing too much WOW?
[19:03] <DanaG> I use bluetooth.
[19:03] <hyper__ch> I got 20/2 mbit
[19:03] <hyper__ch> I'd also prefer 10/10
[19:04] <DanaG> I now have 5mbit down, 512kibit up.
[19:04] <alex_mayorga> DanaG, how did you fix the "Couldn't display "obex://" ?
[19:04] <DanaG> Hold on, let me try it.
[19:04] <DanaG> ...if I can find my bluetooth adapter, that is.
[19:04] <alex_mayorga> I get that whenever I try to browse my phone
[19:05] <alex_mayorga> 1Mb/256Kb here
[19:05] <hyper__ch> why not use USB for the phone for browsing?
[19:05] <alex_mayorga> so don't move to Mexico
[19:05] <hyper__ch> well, mexico is warmer than switzerland ;) and it has smoe nice beaches
[19:05] <alex_mayorga> hyper_ch, because it does have bluetooth and so does the laptop :)
[19:06] <alex_mayorga> and also where supposed to be testing this new animal :S
[19:06] <hyper__ch> but bluetooth is slow
[19:06] <DanaG> Couldn't display "obex://[00:1E:75:52:22:C8]/".
[19:06] <DanaG> damn.
[19:06] <alex_mayorga> thanks on confirmin :)
[19:07] <johnny> is that a gio thing?
[19:07] <DanaG> But for USB, you have to pay the **** provider.
[19:07] <hyper__ch> DanaG: pay the provider?
[19:07] <alex_mayorga> bug 148712
[19:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 148712 in gnome-bluetooth "Gusty, Hardy: Not seeing bluetooth services even after pairing" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148712
[19:08] <DanaG> Yeah, Verizon wants 20 or 30 bucks for a USB cable plus ringtone software, for my phone.
[19:08] <DanaG> I refuse to pay that.  Instead, I got myself a bluetooth adapter.
[19:08] <alex_mayorga> yay, those pesky propietr+ay cables
[19:08] <alex_mayorga> at least bluetooth is a standard of sorts
[19:10] <DanaG> That bug report doesn't say anything about the new gio.
[19:10] <alex_mayorga> DanaG, any tips?
[19:10] <alex_mayorga> ??
[19:11] <DanaG> That's actually a different issue.
[19:11] <johnny> well browsing remote things still isn't completely fixed in nautilus
[19:11] <johnny> thus why i mentioend it
[19:11] <DanaG> "Not Available" is about the phone failing to respond properly, or something.
[19:11] <hyper__ch> DanaG: here you get all this included
[19:11] <DanaG> This is about a plugin not working in Nautilus.
[19:11] <hyper__ch> DanaG: and no carrier lock either
[19:11] <hyper__ch> DanaG: I think I should still have 2 SE USB cables
[19:12] <alex_mayorga> I've installed every obex package I found and is sill a no go
[19:12] <alex_mayorga> hyper_ch, would you ship one to .mx?
[19:12] <johnny> i can't even get xnest working as another user atm :(
[19:12] <johnny> i just want to test a gnome bug
[19:12] <DanaG> Oh yeah, what is HDSPA?  I was looking at notebooks yesterday, and saw that the Asus V2S has a slot for a SIM, so you can use hdspa.
[19:12] <hyper__ch> want to test a root exploit?
[19:13] <johnny> i type Xnest -ac :1
[19:13] <DanaG> Workaround for the bluetooth: use konqueror.
[19:13] <johnny> and it says Unable to open display "".
[19:13] <DanaG> gdmflexiserver --xnest
[19:13] <johnny> that's not feasible
[19:13] <johnny> sabayon uses xnest directly
[19:13] <johnny> and that worked fine in the last ubuntu
[19:14] <johnny> but i'm having trouble with gnome-settings-daemon in gnome 2.21 on gentoo, so i wanted to test that in hardy, but i can't get that far yet
[19:14] <johnny> running in an xnest that is
[19:14] <alex_mayorga> DanaG, please update the above bug as you see fit, functional bluetooth would be nice in hardy
[19:15] <alex_mayorga> johnny, the keyboard defaulting to USA?
[19:15] <johnny> huh?
[19:16] <alex_mayorga> that was/is the gnome-settings bugger biting me Bug #187969
[19:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 187969 in gnome-control-center "Cannot select default keyboard layout in gnome-keyboard-properties" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187969
[19:16] <johnny> no. i'm not that far yet
[19:16]  * DanaG likes gucharmap.
[19:16] <alex_mayorga> never mind
[19:16] <johnny> i'm trying to see if gnome-settings-daemon itself segfaults
[19:16] <johnny> in the xnest
[19:17] <DanaG> I was able to find characters to set this as my status in pidgin:
[19:17] <johnny> but i can't get the xnest itself to open
[19:17] <DanaG> "Mmm, tetris.  ▟▘▗▙ ▝▙ ▗▟  ▙▖ ▄▄  █ "
[19:19] <shirish> what's the command to see what recent updates/upgrades I have done?
[19:19] <DanaG> OH yeah, workaround for nautilus bluetooth: use konqueror and kdebluetooth.
[19:20] <alex_mayorga> DanaG, I'll try that
[19:20] <alex_mayorga> bye for now
[19:21] <shirish> DanaG: isn't there some apt-cache command to see what files were updated/upgraded in the recent past?
[19:22] <hyper__ch> shirish: the apt-log
[19:23] <shirish> hyper__ch: can u be more clear, is there a command called apt-log? Or is this a package which needs to be installed?
[19:23] <hyper__ch> shirish: check the log files for apt
[19:30] <shirish> hyper__ch: thanx, did that, did the trick :)
[19:35] <DanaG> I usually use aptitude when adding and removing stuff; that way, it actually gets logged in /var/log/aptitude .
[19:40] <Assid> err quick question
[19:40] <Assid> why does synaptic have the ubuntu logo on some of the packages
[19:41] <hyper__ch> to make them look nicer?
[19:41] <hyper__ch> but then I'd say it's for marking gnome specific packages
[19:42] <Assid> how is postgresql gnome specific ?
[19:42] <FliesLikeABrick> it might mean that it comes from main, so is therefore supported
[19:42] <FliesLikeABrick> as opposed to coming from universe, multiverse, partner or something else
[19:43] <johnny> it's prolly for packages that don't have their own icons.
[19:43] <Assid> johnny: nope
[19:43] <FliesLikeABrick> a way to find out would be to disable all of your repositories except main and see if all of the packages in the list have the icon
[19:43] <johnny> and come from main
[19:43] <Assid> thinking if i should install postgres from source or from repositories
[19:44] <FliesLikeABrick> generally the binaries in packages are more optimized than if you made it from source
[19:44] <Assid> more optimized?
[19:44] <Assid> i actually export cpuflags :P
[19:44] <FliesLikeABrick> I don't know the specifics, but it is the impression that I have
[19:45] <FliesLikeABrick> you could always benchmark it and find out if there's a difference between the two ;)
[19:45] <johnny> that's not the truth
[19:45] <johnny> they are compiled with very realistic flags that work for most people
[19:45] <FliesLikeABrick> I don't mean for all packages, I mean for DMBS in specific
[19:45] <johnny> not the most optimized ones
[19:45] <FliesLikeABrick> DBMS rather
[19:45] <johnny> but you prolly won't notice the difference
[19:45] <FliesLikeABrick> yeah, I agree
[19:46] <johnny> so anybody else here have xnest working while su to another user?
[19:52] <DanaG> Argh, I was having that damn "load cycle count" go up by one, about every 5 seconds.
[19:52] <DanaG> I had to edit power.sh to use 255 to disable APM.
[19:53] <hyper__ch> who thinks rTorrent is the best client?
[19:58] <DanaG> pdflush and kblockd and 'swapper' keep doing something with my hard drive.
[19:58] <DanaG> I don't know what that "something" is, though.
[19:59] <DanaG> Oh, and kjournald, too.
[19:59] <hyper__ch> strange
[20:00] <DanaG> I have root mounted with 'commit=900' (seconds), which is 15 minutes.
[20:01] <johnny> uggh.. time to get ready to work :(
[20:06] <shazow> hiya, I just did a fresh install of the latest kubuntu hardy, and kdm loads fine, but when i log in, at "initializing system services", it fails with the error "Could not start ksmserver"
[20:09] <johnny> is there a reason everybody is trying to use hardy at this point? if they aren't trying to fix the bugs?
[20:09] <shazow> fun and profit :P
[20:09] <shazow> and my gutsy install was borked, so i figured..
[20:10] <shazow> (same problem, incidentally, but i didn't have the error message with gutsy)
[20:10] <johnny> the devs have enough bugs to deal with i'm sure
[20:11] <johnny> i know why i'm trying to test hardy, since i'm helping maintain a gnome application
[20:13] <shazow> well, i doubt most people's motives for trying the latest and greatest are selfless.
[20:13] <DanaG> I wish that keyboard stuckage would be fixage'd.
[20:13] <johnny> well most people are just causing problems for the devs then :)
[20:14] <shazow> if no one did this, then the final release would be super buggy.
[20:14] <johnny> that's for beta time :)
[20:14] <Artimus> Anyone mess around with ufw (the iptables frontend) in Hardy yet?  I compiled it for Feisty, it seems rather nice.
[20:15] <Artimus> err...  Gutsy, not Feisty
[20:15] <johnny> otherwise tons of unnecessary dupes get filed
[20:15] <shazow> is there a beta? I only recall alpha's and release candidates
[20:15] <johnny> not yet
[20:15] <shazow> i mean in prior history of ubuntu/kubuntu releases
[20:15] <Assid> always some betas
[20:15] <shazow> ah i guess i missed them
[20:17] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/124406
[20:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124406 in ubuntu "Keyboard keys get stuck and repeat (Feisty, Gutsy)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[20:17] <shazow> alright, back to gutsy i go
[20:17] <Assid> DanaG: you still waiitng?
[20:17] <DanaG> aaaaaaargh, I haven't been able to use compiz for a few weeks, due to this bug.
[20:18] <DanaG> No new posts.
[20:18] <Assid> hehe
[20:18] <DanaG> It was new as of some Xorg update.
[20:25] <shazow> now if only i had a gutsy livecd..
[21:04] <DanaG> I really could use some help with that keyboard bug.
[21:14] <cwillu> !autofsck
[21:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about autofsck - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:14] <cwillu> Anybody know if anybody is working on a replacement?
[21:19] <awalton__> why is a replacement needed, the old one break?
[21:32] <aLeSD> hey hi
[21:58] <VanDyke> anyone here tried installing hardy on software raid ?
[22:03] <bardyr> yep
[22:04] <VanDyke> I did it here yesterday, and I was wondering if somebody else had the same problems on installation
[22:04] <VanDyke> normal mode just wouldn't work
[22:11] <bardyr> VanDyke, i didnt notice any problems
[22:14] <emet> !info restricted-manager
[22:14] <ubotu> Package restricted-manager does not exist in hardy
[22:14] <emet> hmmmmmmmmmm ?
[22:14] <DanaG> It's now called "Jockey" ... as in, a horse 'driver'.
[22:15] <emet> oh
[22:15] <emet> !info jockey
[22:15] <ubotu> Package jockey does not exist in hardy
[22:15] <selckin> !info jockey-common
[22:15] <ubotu> jockey-common (source: jockey): user interface and desktop integration for driver management. In component main, is optional. Version 0.2-0ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 37 kB, installed size 864 kB
[22:15] <emet> right
[22:16] <emet> it has a lower version then restricted-manager?
[22:16] <emet> !info restricted-manager gutsy
[22:16] <ubotu> restricted-manager (source: restricted-manager): manage non-free hardware drivers - GNOME frontend. In component restricted, is optional. Version 0.33.1 (gutsy), package size 38 kB, installed size 316 kB
[22:16] <emet> I'm going to assume jockey-common is better developed ?
[22:17] <selckin> the name is cooler, what more do you want
[22:17] <emet> lol
[22:17] <VanDyke> hahaha
[22:42] <Noq^> Hi! What kernel will hadry use.. There is serious kernel exploin which i have found now and it affects kernels from 2.6.17 to <IP_ADDRESS> which i think is the latest one
[22:43] <bardyr> Noq^, what exploit?
[22:44] <Noq^> bardyr: its local root exploit
[22:44] <bardyr> Noq^, then report it on launchpad
[22:44] <bardyr> and lkml
[22:44] <bardyr> and sudo is not a exploit :D
[22:44] <Noq^> :-d
[22:44] <Noq^> where is lkml
[22:44] <Noq^> ?
[22:45] <bardyr> lkml.org
[22:46] <Noq^> thanx
[22:46] <Noq^> bardyr: are u working with kernel?
[22:47] <bardyr> Noq^, nope
[22:47] <Noq^> oki :-d
[22:49] <Noq^> bardyr: someone was faster to report them =)
[22:49] <bardyr> Bug #190587 ?
[22:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190587 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Local root exploit in kernel 2.6.17 - 2.6.24 (vmsplice)" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190587
[22:49] <atrus> haha, the exploit actually works on my hardy laptop.
[22:50] <Noq^> yes
[22:50] <Noq^> bardyr: that one
[22:50] <Noq^> and one more
[22:50] <Noq^> http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/5092
[22:50] <Noq^> http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/5093
[22:50] <Noq^> those two
[22:51] <cyphase> How hard would it be for Xorg to auto config dual monitors the same way it auto configs everything else now?
[22:53] <Noq^> whats even more annoying is that you need to reconfigure xorg manually when u buy bigger screen
[22:54] <Noq^> a friend of mine has huge problems. he just got 24" and its imposible to get right resolution
[22:54] <Noq^> but it worked nicely with 19"
[23:05] <DanaG> Argh, multimedia keys aren't working with Exaile.
[23:07] <hydrogen> dood
[23:07] <hydrogen> you could have easily expressed that
[23:07] <hydrogen> by just saying
[23:07] <hydrogen> "exaile"
[23:07] <hydrogen> and we all would have known what you meant
[23:07] <lz7> npviewer.bin
[23:07] <VanDyke> hahah
[23:10] <DanaG> Huh, I think I missed your joke, or whatever.
[23:20] <RAOF> DanaG: Nor with Banshee.  gnome-settings-daemon's MMKeys interface has changed.
[23:21] <DanaG> Damn.
[23:21] <DanaG> oops, swearing.
[23:23] <DanaG> Also, "Open Terminal" hotkey doesn't do anything.
[23:23] <crimsun> hmm.
[23:24] <crimsun> I wish people actually inspected these patches.  :(
[23:24] <DanaG> Is there any way to get Xorg to poll for key releases instead of relying on events?  It seems to be somehow missing key-up events.
[23:25] <DanaG> ... and having the 'super' key stuck down renders Xorg pretty useless.
[23:25] <crimsun> RAOF: thanks for the alsa-plugins biarch work.  The buffoonery with pkg-config looks pretty nasty.
[23:26] <DanaG> Oh yeah, that reminds me: I was looking at laptops again, and I found some Asus one that looks pretty nice.  I'd still wait until summer, but I'm curious now: do you have any experience with Asus notebooks and Linux?
[23:26] <RAOF> crimsun: It's better than what I was originally doing, which was re-writing the pkg-config files rather than providing .so symlinks. :)
[23:27] <RAOF> crimsun: Are you able to apply it to Hardy's alsa-plugins?  Or possibly test that it doesn't break on i386 hardy; I haven't done that yet.
[23:29] <atrus> DanaG: yeah, i was having that key-stuck problem with compiz. not sure what it was.
[23:29] <DanaG> It started in the latest few weeks.
[23:30] <crimsun> RAOF: I'll queue it for my hardening-wrapper test this evening
[23:30] <DanaG> Oh yeah, another audio question: do you happen to know what the "ALC660VM" is?  I'm curious whether it's a 6-channel chip.
[23:30] <RAOF> crimsun: Yay!
[23:30] <DanaG> I can't find any specs.
[23:31] <aLeSD> how can I know if the bluetooth works ?
[23:31] <crimsun> DanaG: yes, I have a bit of experience.  I believe I mentioned they're a bit ... interesting.
[23:31] <DanaG> Hmm, that's what's in the Asus V1S I'm considering.
[23:32] <DanaG> ... as long as the performance ratio of  Go 8600 / Go 8800  is reasonably close to the ratio of 7600 / 7800.
[23:34] <DanaG> oops, s/VM/VD/
[23:36] <crimsun> it's actually 8-channel.
[23:36] <crimsun> whether it's enabled as 8 distinct, independent widgets is another story :)
[23:37] <DanaG> I guess I'd have to find the thing in a store, and test it there.
[23:37] <crimsun> well, the code currently slaves two sets of pins, so it only functions as 6-channel.
[23:38] <DanaG> The thing I dream of seeing in a notebook: separate front audio out, as in the Windows drivers on many desktops.
[23:40] <crimsun> I'm not sure what you mean.
[23:40] <crimsun> if you mean "have the front jacks" drive a different stream[set] from the non-front jacks", then that's already possible, albeit with /much/ hackery.
[23:41] <DanaG> That's what I mean.  It'd let me do what I currently do with sigmatel + audigy, with just the onboard.
[23:41] <crimsun> yes, that's already possible.
[23:41] <DanaG> It depends on the vendor, of course -- must have speakers not hard-wired to "front speakers" jack.
[23:42] <crimsun> change the pin_configs[] for the alc861vd, create a separate virtual config for front:, then run separate instances of pulseaudio per-virtual device
[23:42] <DanaG> I'd have to wait until I get such a device; it'll probably still be only in the summer.\
[23:42] <ethana3> our D830 has seperate headphones and speakers
[23:43] <crimsun> doesn't matter at all if it's hardwired, actually.  You can just create a separate overlay with a different pin_config[].
[23:43] <crimsun> (this is the ultimate flexibility with alsa-lib's ttables)
[23:44] <crimsun> (and arguably the sole point that made alsa-lib worthwhile prior to OSSv4)
[23:46] <DanaG> Hmm, but if the built-in speakers and the jack are wired together, wouldn't you lose that jack's ability to be separate?


[00:31] <ducasse> guiverc: just a note - afaik lightdm actually has more features than gdm, like the ability to automatically spawn a vnc server and xdmcp support
[00:52] <guiverc> thanks ducasse ; that would explain the ubuntu* using it (I suspect they added the features & my comment was from where it started & thus so-so-so-so-out-of-date
[00:53] <guiverc> i use hexchat - every so often it puts a line across the window; why is what?  does it signify anything?  (it's not all the same time in different windows)...  feel free to tell me to go read doco though :)
[00:54] <daftykins> it's a scrollback line ja, i believe its' purpose is to point out the messages you haven't seen yet (below) when you switch tasks
[00:54] <ducasse> i dunno, weechat does that to separate new, unread messages from old
[00:57] <guiverc> that makes a lot of sense :)
[02:05] <hggdh> on weechat, when you return to a channel, a line of '-' is printed to show where you were last time in the channel
[03:28] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:51] <ducasse> good morning
[06:07] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> morning lordievader
[06:07] <ducasse> hi lordievader - all well?
[06:08] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje , ducasse
[06:08] <lordievader> Doing good here, how are you guys?
[06:09] <ducasse> all ok here, i think :)
[07:06] <EriC^^> morning all
[07:13] <lordievader> Hugo is quite nice 😁
[07:14] <lordievader> Started playing with it last week.
[07:14] <lordievader> Building a website in markdown is a whole lot better than in Worpress.
[07:20] <ducasse> morning EriC^^
[07:35] <EriC^^> morning ducasse
[09:04] <tomreyn> looks like the man is in phocean's computer
[09:05] <JimBuntu> "man in the machine" ?
[09:17] <tomreyn> i was merely joking about the apparmor line they posted
[09:18] <tomreyn> 'man' got denied ptrace on self
[11:13] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:16] <ducasse> morning BluesKaj - how are you doing?
[11:42] <BluesKaj> Hi ducasse , doing well thanks , and how are you?
[11:44] <BluesKaj> was checking out  airbnb cottages for a family get together, hence my late reply
[11:46] <ducasse> i'm ok, thanks - having a quiet day here
[11:47] <ducasse> no real plans, which is kind of nice :)
[11:50] <BluesKaj> cool.good to relax :-)
[11:56] <ducasse> how about you, BluesKaj - any plans today?
[12:15] <BluesKaj> not too much. might take a drive to the North Channel of Georgian Bay which is on Lake Huron (one of the "Great Lakes in NA). only 25km from me.
[12:16] <BluesKaj> I have some friends there
[12:38] <ducasse> sounds fun - have a good trip :)
[12:59] <BluesKaj> thanks ducasse :-)
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[16:18] <pragmaticenigma> it's a strange one out there
[16:18] <lotuspsychje> hey pragmaticenigma
[16:19] <pragmaticenigma> howdy
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> 1700 users, neat
[16:41] <pragmaticenigma> 1705
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:41] <pragmaticenigma> 1704
[16:41] <pragmaticenigma> :-P
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> haha
[16:42] <oerheks> 2 users, rest is lonely
[16:50] <pragmaticenigma> leftyfb: Why do you do that? What is wrong with providing a simple answer to someone. I know there are lots of mirrors, but to download from them, means one should also verify the checksum and everything. ubuntu.com is under Canonical's control.
[16:50] <oerheks> this sphinx dude does not even mention the brand and the repo he refers too..
[16:51] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: to say only .ubuntu.com URL's host official images is just plain false. I get what you're saying and there are better ways to get across the point to sphinx.
[16:52] <oerheks> sqeeze the info out of him :-D
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> new netplan version on updates
[16:56] <pragmaticenigma> I agree, it's an over simplification. I go when someone is giving limited information, then either they're hiding something or possibly just not that familiar with the ecosystem. I feel it better to error on side of caution.
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> hmm they should have been put users in main system settings, instead of tree of details
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> in gnome
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> oh well they can find it too in right upper corner i guess
[17:03] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: I agree with most of your statement. But I really dislike over simplification when the answer is yes or no and is just false. In those cases, I try to word it appropriately
[17:55] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: licking icecreams? lol
[17:56] <lotuspsychje> what about support!
[17:57] <oerheks> all support seems to be extra lazy today .. those who seek support i mean
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> weird with 1705 users
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> oops 1717
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> alot of cpu fans blowing at same time now..
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> next week 2000! :p
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> holiday is over guys, millions xenial users come nag about slow gnome system
[17:59] <blackflow> LTS upgrade?
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> haha yeah
[17:59] <blackflow> PLUS Friday!
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> nobody believes the storm blackflow snif
[18:00] <blackflow> hmm?
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> the xenial upgrade storm
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> dont you think they will press the button?
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> !info nvidia-340 bionic
[18:03] <pragmaticenigma> lotuspsychje: I'm wondering if there is an issue with Rumens locale being russian, and the drivers possibly looking for something in english
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: hmm not sure, i see it uninstalls 390..but then 340 gets faulty?
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: perhaps a cache clean needed?
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: dpkg-divert: error: rename involves overwriting '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1.distrib' with
[18:05] <lotuspsychje>   different file '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1', not allowed
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> think ive seen this before
[18:06] <lotuspsychje> think it needs a removal
[18:09] <pragmaticenigma> oh... that looks like a PPA conflict
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> right
[18:18] <blackflow> lol! that video request is....   omg kids these days.
[18:18] <blackflow> "is there an android app that will do that for me!"
[18:18] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> i wanna check in from my mobile
[18:20] <oerheks> i am not even bing-ing it
[18:20] <oerheks> too lazy today
[18:20] <pragmaticenigma> What's worse, those videos tpyically have incorrect information. Especially since they don't cover forks that occur when one person's setup isn't exactly the same as the video
[18:21] <pragmaticenigma> lotuspsychje: Joy! New Nvidia drivers are waiting for installation on my home machine :-(... Do I risk it after all the trouble Ruman is having?
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> dont forget we have these :p https://www.wikihow.com/Category:Ubuntu
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: yeah, its 340 that is killing him
[18:22] <pragmaticenigma> I thought they had issues with 39x series... since their request started with them attempting to ugprade to a newer GPU card
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> his card cant swallow 390
[18:22] <pragmaticenigma> They have another card lotuspsychje ... they went back to the first card
[18:23] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> never seen his source question
[18:24] <oerheks> that other card, is that onboard? nvidia 215 sounds like that
[18:24] <oerheks> maybe he has onboard as primairy
[18:24] <oerheks> and it is too hot to look into the bios
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> hey nacc
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> oerheks: he might made a mess out of it
[18:27] <pragmaticenigma> 🤣 I can't even with fwef
[18:31] <pragmaticenigma> I also can't understand why someone would pay a premium price for a macbook or any apple computer, to install linux/ubuntu on. It just seems so.. very... odd
[18:31] <blackflow> I can't understand why would someone pay a premum for that. At. All.
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> weird cause we have users saying bionic worked nice on their mac
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> he was n discuss for a while
[18:32] <pragmaticenigma> If you let the mac age a bit... it seems the support catches up
[18:32] <pragmaticenigma> Apple is notorius for installing devices that don't adhere to standards ... especialy keybaords and mice
[18:33] <lotuspsychje> this looks nice: https://nixaid.com/linux-on-macbookpro/
[18:33] <blackflow> pragmaticenigma: the faulty kbds they then REFUSE to fix/replace?
[18:34] <pragmaticenigma> I don't know about those ones... I know their bluetooth keyboards don't play ball
[18:34] <blackflow> for this here alone, I would never, ever use crapple even if given for free (I'd sell off on ebay to some gullible mac hypster).   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-NU7yOSElE
[18:35] <pragmaticenigma> blackflow: There's a whole ton to that story though
[18:35] <blackflow> you really have to be <insert serious insults> gullible to buy that carp. and I don't mean the fish.
[18:35] <pragmaticenigma> I love that video with the spark added for dramatic effect
[18:35] <blackflow> I personally know some mac users who got played nicely by their local mac repair shops with a big fat NO.
[18:35] <pragmaticenigma> The running gag with Linux Tech Tips and dropping things!
[18:36] <blackflow> heh :)
[18:36] <pragmaticenigma> err.. . LTT got a refusal for reasons outside of what happened...
[18:39] <blackflow> and of the two users I know are buying only mac stuff, I swear, they do it _only_ because it's Apple. Prestige. Literally all they do is use safari on their macs. and all the array of modern social herpderps on their iphones.
[18:40] <pragmaticenigma> most of it was due to the fact that Apple has a really *ryhmes with trucked* up repair network, in the effort of preventing parts from landing in the mainstream markets.
[18:40] <blackflow> pragmaticenigma: but that's exactly the thing.
[18:40] <blackflow> they're about "preventing". all the time. constantly. everything.
[18:41] <pragmaticenigma> For LTT... one of the bigger issues were none of the auth repair service techinicans in canada had received the training or certifications required to purchase the replacement parts through the apple repair network
[18:42] <pragmaticenigma> Thing is... you can easily pick up a macbook shell in a lot of markets... and probably take the cover off an similar form factor laptop from Acer, HP, or other brand... and no one would know the difference if you swapped it
[18:42] <blackflow> something tells me alibaba is full of counterfeit apple replacement parts :)
[18:46] <nacc> lotuspsychje: hiya!
[18:46] <lotuspsychje> https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux
[18:46] <lotuspsychje> audio seems to remain a problem
[19:11] <lotuspsychje> oerheks: you got query on?
[19:19] <pragmaticenigma> yay... petro is trolling again
[19:23] <blackflow> he never stopped really.
[19:24] <hggdh> stopped now, it seems
[19:24] <lotuspsychje> tnx for checking hggdh
[19:25] <lotuspsychje> its one of those hard to catches
[19:26] <lotuspsychje> or not lol
[19:28] <blackflow> lotuspsychje: reboot and try again? :)))
[19:29] <lotuspsychje> for his lock
[19:29] <blackflow> he just needs sudo
[19:30] <lotuspsychje> seems like he wont reboot anyway :p
[19:32] <blackflow> also I think just pkilling packagekit should fix dpkg lock issues, in most cases it's because packagekit is fiddling with it in the background
[19:35] <nacc> a week away from irc and my patience is still zero
[19:35] <nacc> blackflow: good luck :)
[19:36] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:36] <lotuspsychje> but but we need you at ltsupgrade storm nacc :p
[19:37] <blackflow> I have this nagging suspicion that this is the same user as that petro....
[19:37]  * lotuspsychje is loading positive vibes
[19:37] <blackflow> when's that btw, 26th amirite?
[19:37] <lotuspsychje> 26 yeah
[19:37] <lotuspsychje> !release
[19:38] <lotuspsychje> hmm doesnt show yet
[19:43] <nacc> lotuspsychje: yeah, i'll be around :)
[19:43] <lotuspsychje> yess
[20:01] <leftyfb> man, all out today aren't they?
[20:01] <lotuspsychje> lol
[20:01] <lotuspsychje> troll heaven
[20:01] <leftyfb> not trolls really
[20:03] <blackflow> eh... they left. was about tot ell them all those games are available through web based interpreters..... neway...
[20:16] <hggdh> it's the International Trolling Day :-)
[20:16] <lotuspsychje> lol
[20:16] <lotuspsychje> nite nite
[20:22] <leftyfb> lol
[20:24] <leftyfb> it's just some kid who wants to doubleclick a thing and play free games
[20:24] <hggdh> they are not trolls indeed. They sound more like ignorant users that wish to keep ignorant
[20:25] <leftyfb> bingo
[20:25] <hggdh> point being that I quick google for 'inform linux' returned a series of entries explaining how to
[20:26] <leftyfb> on an unrelated note, Prime day is failing spectacularly
[20:26] <blackflow> hggdh: "I don't want to listen for your help, I want to do it this particular way even though it's not designed to do that"     is trolling to me.
[20:27] <hggdh> blackflow: not really. People are resistant to change, and expect things to be the same *even* if the underlying "reality" has changed
[20:28] <hggdh> I remember one specific teaching day where I was confronted with something like that, and tried to explain in many different ways why it would not work anymore
[20:28] <hggdh> eventually, I lost my cool, and told the student to go and do something else from computers
[20:29] <hggdh> (which made me even more willing to understand the PoV of others -- after my outburst, I felt bad)
[20:30] <blackflow> why felt bad. some people are beyond help.
[20:31] <hggdh> a real question (from Petro): what is "task manager" on Ubuntu?
[20:31] <hggdh> blackflow: indeed, but I feel that an effort to understand is always warranted
[20:34] <blackflow> I do have a very short fuse for people who shouldn't be running servers, running servers. that's just... like DUI. and sometimes with potentially equally lethal consequences.
[20:34] <blackflow> hggdh: btw, if you haven't noticed, #ubuntu-server :)
[20:35] <nacc> i'll deal with it, as best i can :)
[20:38] <oerheks> if this behaviour is happening in my area, i'd say a thunderstorm is comming.. but this is global
[20:40] <hggdh> p1l0t is probably talking biut the initramfs re-do that happens on the (still) existing kernels
[20:41] <blackflow> ugh!
[20:43] <nacc> hggdh: oh good point
[20:49] <EriC^^> evening all
[20:51] <oerheks> hi EriC^^
[20:51] <EriC^^> hi oerheks o/
[22:05] <Mystic_Reverie> do any of u people remember telling me i dont have to use terminal much. or i dont have to study that kind of stuff if i prefer a gui?
[22:05] <Mystic_Reverie> and me saying that was a condition of me installing ubuntu?
[22:06] <Mystic_Reverie> now i have it installed im being forced to study terminal crap instead of just getting help installing stuff
[22:07] <Mystic_Reverie> if u guys werent gonna help the way i wanted, i never would have installed it
[22:07] <Mystic_Reverie> cheers snobs
[22:09] <leftyfb> Mystic_Reverie: you chose a terminal application to play games, not us
[22:09] <leftyfb> Mystic_Reverie: There's also no need for the namecalling
[22:09] <Mystic_Reverie> its not just that
[22:09] <Mystic_Reverie> its other stuff
[22:09] <Mystic_Reverie> dont advertise to people ubuntu is easy to use, then reel people in, then not give them simple help when they want it.  i dont want to study terminal and install guides
[22:10] <Mystic_Reverie> and made that clear
[22:10] <Mystic_Reverie> if u wont help people like me.. then let us know before hand, and we wont even install linux
[22:10] <leftyfb> What help have you asked for with ubuntu that you have not received?
[22:11] <Mystic_Reverie> ive received a lot of help.  but also received a lot of comment about 'g ostudy ' go read up' also
[22:11] <Mystic_Reverie> i was never interested in doing that
[22:11] <Mystic_Reverie> and if i knew it was a prerequisite, i simply would not have installed it
[22:11] <Mystic_Reverie> the attitud ein her echanges once i actually install it
[22:12] <Mystic_Reverie> pushing me to leatrn things i explicitly said i have no interest in spending time on
[22:12] <leftyfb> Mystic_Reverie: again, you installed an interpreter to play games. Nobody does that and refuses to read the documentation on how to use it
[22:12] <Mystic_Reverie> there is a gui for it
[22:12] <Mystic_Reverie> and thats just one example anyway
[22:13] <leftyfb> Mystic_Reverie: The package you installed is not a GUI that opens up on it's own.
[22:13] <Mystic_Reverie> yes , but i ibvioulsy wanted a gui
[22:13] <Mystic_Reverie> everyone knows that
[22:13] <Mystic_Reverie> instead i ge tsnobby comments about what i installed
[22:13] <Mystic_Reverie> whats the point
[22:13] <leftyfb> Mystic_Reverie: sorry, but not everyone follows everything you say. Some of us have lives outside an IRC support channel.
[22:13] <Mystic_Reverie> i dso too
[22:14] <Mystic_Reverie> thats why i was wary about installing linux. and was told it would be this way
[22:14] <Mystic_Reverie> yet it is
[22:14] <Mystic_Reverie> told it wouldnt be this way *
[22:14] <leftyfb> Then don't expect laser perfect support for your every need ... especially from a community of volunteers. If you don't want to read how to do anything or are not interested in ever opening up a terminal, then go back to Windows.
[22:15] <Mystic_Reverie> then tell me that IN THE FIRST PLACE .  u people reel people like me in. with literal promises of linux being as easy as windows
[22:15] <leftyfb> You have unfounded expectations that everything with a computer will always be point and click and everything will be handed to you on a silver platter.  Now we lost a paying customer!
[22:44] <hggdh> wait
[22:44] <hggdh> it is free...
[22:44] <hggdh> ah well