[08:45] <assaf> @ryebot hi
[08:48] <assaf> @ryebot here is my history : i installed juju controller and add-machine manually , then i downloaded the charms and installed the applications with juju and machines set to 0, manually created all the relations
[08:48] <assaf> @ryebot then i got stuck with missing resources like flannel-amd64
[08:49] <assaf> @ryebot so resources i downloaded from the juju charm page and attached to the application
[08:49] <assaf> @ryebot but charms i downloaded using snap download kube-proxy for example
[08:50] <assaf> @ryebot i got etcd cluster and master with flannel installed but the worker isnt loading kube-proxy and kubelet beacuse of configuration issues
[10:50] <gizmo__> hello. Im trying to deploy a bundle with a charm with terms and this is the error im getting. https://gist.github.com/gizmo693/5a4fc5235da987a4f64e378e1850dd62
[13:31] <cory_fu> bdx: Not sure if you're around this early, but I have an update on the Endpoints branch of reactive.  We're going to cut a dev release today, run it though CI for a week, and then release it for real.  However, we're going to make one small change that will break things.  We're going to rename Endpoint.flag to Endpoint.expand_name to make it more clear.
[13:33] <cory_fu> bdx: If need be, I can deprecate the existing flag method for a bit so that it's not a hard break
[14:43] <bdx> cory_fu: nah, its cool, I'll update the bits I have
[15:25] <cory_fu> beisner: Hey, I just tagged 0.6.0rc1 a.k.a. proposed for charms.reactive.  I'll let that stew for this week, but is there anything else we need to do to get it run through, e.g. the OpenStack CI?
[16:00] <jose-phi_> hi
[16:00] <jose-phi_> question someone have the problem that when the container
[16:00] <jose-phi_> is created in lxd the container just ping in the host
[16:00] <jose-phi_> and not on the network?
[19:39] <beisner> hi cory_fu - thx for the heads up.  we'll discuss in our daily standup.
[19:42] <bdx> kwmonroe: sup
[19:42] <bdx> kwmonroe: do you hit this http://paste.ubuntu.com/26066506/
[19:43] <bdx> with your graylog bundle?
[19:43] <bdx> I feel like I'v filed a bug on that before for the elasticsearch charm
[19:43] <bdx> I want that thing gone
[19:43] <bdx> It a huge burden that constantly causes me issues
[19:44] <bdx> every corner, eh ... .I think I have the fix for this in my fork of the upstream charm
[19:45] <bdx> dont know why I thought the upstream elasticsearch charm would work
[19:45] <kwmonroe> yup yup bdx
[19:45] <kwmonroe> that's https://bugs.launchpad.net/elasticsearch-charm/+bug/1714393
[19:45] <mup> Bug #1714393: ERROR! lookup plugin (dns) not found <conjure> <Elasticsearch Charm:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1714393>
[19:46] <bdx> oh I think its different
[19:46] <kwmonroe> bdx: the dns plugin packed into elasticsearch is too old and doesn't conform to the new plugin api, which means ES can't find it, which causes the firewall logic to fail.
[19:46] <bdx> ahh right
[19:46] <bdx> ok
[19:46] <kwmonroe> you worked around it with a dig plugin (iirc)
[19:47] <kwmonroe> i worked around it by disabling the ES firewall, which skips the firewall logic.
[19:47] <kwmonroe> proving once again that firewalls are stupid and we should all just trust one another with our public ipv6 addresses.
[19:48] <bdx> i see
[19:48] <kwmonroe> coke, stop looking at pepsi traffic!
[19:48] <kwmonroe> "ok".  problem solved ;)
[19:48] <bdx> yea, I just wasnt seeing the dig error in my logs
[19:49] <kwmonroe> bdx: you may have made other changes to the firewaller in the elasticsearch charm that doesn't fail if/when the dns/dig plugins fail
[19:49] <bdx> ahhok
[19:49] <bdx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26066536/
[19:49] <bdx> running it manually exposes the underlying error
[19:50] <kwmonroe> bdx: line 726 of your first paste shows the underlying error too :)  http://paste.ubuntu.com/26066506/
[19:50] <bdx> ahh I see now, thx thx thx
[19:51] <bdx> possibly I'll get some tests and polishh in my new elasticsearch charm and we can look to get it swapped with upstream after the new endpoints stuff lands
[19:52] <kwmonroe> +100 bdx
[20:11] <bdx> hey, kwmonroe
[20:14] <bdx> thanks for the +100
[20:14] <bdx> but also
[20:14] <bdx> https://imgur.com/a/lUAGr
[20:14] <bdx> I think I see the disconnect
[20:15] <bdx> that is leading to graylog seeming like its not working
[20:16] <bdx> https://imgur.com/a/XzOZW
[20:16] <bdx> the elasticsearch node that graylog sees is itself
[20:16] <bdx> lol
[20:16] <bdx> "hey there are no logs!"
[20:16] <bdx> go figure
[20:17] <bdx> kwmonroe: not sure if you have gotten past that or if you are hitting that too
[20:18] <bdx> just for kicks, I'm going to point filebeat at graylog and see what gives
[20:19] <bdx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26066668/ <- from graylog
[20:19] <bdx> its listening
[20:20] <kwmonroe> yeah bdx, you'll need to do "juju config filebeat logstash_hosts=GRAYLOG_IP:5044
[20:21] <bdx> ohh, not 9200?
[20:21] <kwmonroe> negative bdx, you want to link filebeat to the graylog beats input
[20:22] <kwmonroe> bdx: if you go to the graylog interface, System->Inputs, you'll see a beats input
[20:22] <bdx> ahhhh
[20:22] <bdx> I see it
[20:22] <kwmonroe> and that'll be bound to <IP_ADDRESS>:5044
[20:24] <kwmonroe> bdx: i just learned this today.  i assumed graylog would pull logs out of ES, so the path would go Filebeat->ES->graylog, but that's not how it works.  graylog is more like a logstash replacement, so it goes Filebeat->graylog->ES
[20:24] <kwmonroe> meaning filebeat needs to connect to the graylog beats input (which is done by filebeat logstash_hosts config, and not via relation... yet)
[20:24] <bdx> got it got it
[20:25] <bdx> then the elasticsearch charm/application is not needed
[20:25] <bdx> ?
[20:25] <bdx> ok, I see logs!
[20:25] <bdx> yes
[20:26] <bdx> I have been eyeing this thing for a few months now, trialing every few days when it catches my interest and just always failing due to like 1 of 50 reasons
[20:26] <bdx> lol
[20:26] <bdx> this is great to know the full path
[20:26] <bdx> :)
[20:27] <bdx> kwmonroe: priceless colab on that, thank you
[20:27] <bdx> now we just habe to figure out how to make it better
[20:33] <kwmonroe> bdx: graylog does require ES, so you can't just get rid of it.  if the internet taught me anything today, it's that graylog presents itself as an ES cluster node to take advantage of ES indexing.  as a cluster member, it can also read/write really fast to ES (non cluster members would have to hit the api and (de)serialize json all the time.
[20:34] <bdx> right right
[20:34] <bdx> but it runs es
[20:34] <kwmonroe> whatchu talkin bout willis?
[20:34] <bdx> oh, so what you are saying is just use juju to deploy an es cluster next to it to hook it up to
[20:34] <bdx> so, like
[20:34] <bdx> if you deploy graylog
[20:34] <bdx> and look at the running processes
[20:35] <bdx> the java/elasticsearch is running on graylog
[20:35] <bdx> and it only seems to know about the elasticsearch node that is itself
[20:35] <kwmonroe> that ain't because of graylog bdx.  did you deploy both gl and es to the same unit?
[20:35] <bdx> no
[20:35] <kwmonroe> don't you lie to me
[20:35] <bdx> it gets that automatically
[20:36] <bdx> thats what I was trying to show you ^^^^^']
[20:36] <kwmonroe> i have a graylog deployed, and i don't see any elastic java procs on my gl unit
[20:36] <bdx> with the http://paste.ubuntu.com/26066668/
[20:36] <bdx> really
[20:36] <bdx> ok
[20:36] <bdx> so
[20:37] <kwmonroe> right bdx -- i'm assuming you're running that netstat on <IP_ADDRESS>, and your ES node is <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:38] <kwmonroe> also, lol @ -peanut.  i've never seen that
[20:39] <kwmonroe> anyway bdx, that connection to 9200 is on a separate machine.  graylog is connecting to it, but it's not running an embedded ES or anything like that
[20:39] <bdx> ok
[20:39] <bdx> I think I follow
[20:39] <bdx> so, how do you explain this
[20:41] <bdx> ooooo
[20:41] <bdx> I think I see
[20:42] <bdx> this https://imgur.com/a/3lD5G
[20:42] <bdx> is not indicative of an elasticsearch node, but a graylog node
[20:42] <bdx> becasue graylog is a clustering type service
[20:42] <bdx> ok
[20:43] <bdx> I was so backwards
[20:43] <bdx> thank you for enlightening me
[20:43] <kwmonroe> you got it
[20:43] <bdx> the elasticsearch config is in there somewhere
[20:44] <kwmonroe> that's right bdx -- in the graylog interface, System->Overview will show you the ES config
[20:45] <bdx> ahh I see it now
[20:45] <kwmonroe> which graylog knows about because it's an ES cluster member
[20:45] <bdx> I was loooking in the wrong place initially
[20:45] <bdx> sudo cat /var/snap/graylog/common/server.conf | grep elasticsearch
[20:45] <bdx> I see
[20:45] <bdx> that totally makes sense
[20:58] <jose-phi_> is posbile when i deploy containers with juju
[20:58] <jose-phi_> use a local image instead of  copying image for juju/xenial/amd64 from https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases
[20:58] <jose-phi_> ?
[21:43] <hml> navinsridharan: ping
[21:46] <navinsridharan> hi
[21:47] <navinsridharan> Is this Heather
[21:47] <hml> navinsridharan: yes - it’s heather
[21:47] <navinsridharan> Okay great
[21:47] <hml> navinsridharan: can I get a pastebin of the debug juju bootstrap output?
[21:47] <navinsridharan> Yeah will send you in a sec
[21:50] <navinsridharan> https://pastebin.com/QMkrhahm
[21:51] <hml> navinsridharan: looking
[21:51] <navinsridharan> Thanks
[21:55] <hml> navinsridharan: what do the nova logs say about instance 7833ed83-345a-4796-89cb-086bf01bc78b?  is there more information about why the ‘No valid host was found’ error?
[21:56] <hml> navinsridharan: to confirm the uuid of the “private” network is 383fd64b-4c4c-497d-809d-3bcf8ed72e1c?
[21:57] <navinsridharan> Yes that's correct
[21:57] <navinsridharan> I checked by logging into Openstack GUI
[21:58] <navinsridharan> In case of instance 7833ed83-345a-4796-89cb-086bf01bc78b , I don't see any log written into nova-compute.log file
[21:58] <navinsridharan> Is there any other log file that I should be checking for??
[21:59] <hml> navinsridharan: check all the /var/log/nova/*.log files
[22:00] <hml> navinsridharan: “No valid host” should be in the logs also
[22:00] <navinsridharan> I only see two log files under /var/log/nova -- > nova-compute.log and privsep-helper.log ( empty)
[22:01] <navinsridharan> I don't see "No valid host" written into the log
[22:01] <hml> navinsridharan: so the question is where is it…  hmmm
[22:01] <navinsridharan> but if I boot an instance manually in Openstack cloud using GUI, I see the log written into nova-compute.log
[22:03] <hml> navinsridharan: are the credentials and openstack endpoint given to juju the same as what you’re using in the OpenStack GUI?
[22:04] <navinsridharan> Yes I did..
[22:04] <navinsridharan> If JUJU was not able to contact the endpoint, then it wouldnt be able to resolve the private network's UUID
[22:04] <hml> navinsridharan: true… i’m just wondering if it’s the same openstack cloud…
[22:04] <navinsridharan> but we do see UUID of "private" network in the --debug log
[22:05] <hml> navinsridharan: the instance juju created should be in the log
[22:05] <navinsridharan> Where do I check for this?
[22:05] <hml> navinsridharan: same place as the other logs - where you found the other instance.
[22:06] <navinsridharan> Yeah, but it's just weird that it doesn't write this into that log
[22:06] <hml> navinsridharan: try the juju bootstrap with —keep-broken, this will cause the instance juju created not to be deleted
[22:06] <navinsridharan> I am kind of completely stuck at this issue for about 2 weeks now not able to move forward
[22:06] <hml> navinsridharan: then we might be able to see from the cli or the gui more info
[22:06] <hml> navinsridharan: sorry - this is frustrating I know.
[22:07] <hml> navinsridharan: I’ve been asking a few others for some hints, so far it looks like this should work… we just need to find the little thing different
[22:07] <navinsridharan> like instead of "--debug" use "--keep-broken"
[22:07] <hml> navinsridharan: use both
[22:07] <navinsridharan> That's so nice of you, thank you so much
[22:08] <navinsridharan> Let me try and get back in a sec
[22:11] <navinsridharan> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/sI8pg2oB/
[22:12] <navinsridharan> I have copied from the point it says "using network id.....
[22:13] <hml> navinsridharan: now look at the openstack juju instance in the GUI - can you see details of the failure?
[22:14] <navinsridharan> Quick question though --- > should I enter the credentials for Openstack cloud in here (  /home/ubuntu/.local/share/juju/controllers.yaml)
[22:15] <hml> navinsridharan: i don’t recommended editting the files - run `juju autoload-credentials` after sourcing your novarc file
[22:15] <navinsridharan> I don't see any instance failure in the  Openstack GUI
[22:16] <navinsridharan> ubuntu@ubuntu-ProLiant-DL380-G6:~$ sudo juju autoload-credentials
[22:16] <navinsridharan> Looking for cloud and credential information locally...
[22:16] <navinsridharan> No cloud credentials found.
[22:16] <hml> navinsridharan: do you have a novarc file you can source
[22:17] <navinsridharan> I do have one sitting under /joid_config
[22:17] <navinsridharan> in the name "admin-openrc"
[22:18] <hml> navinsridharan: the autoload-credentials command will look for the environment variables used for OpenStack authentication to use and import them for juju
[22:18] <hml> navinsridharan: though it should have been done already to get as far as you have
[22:19] <navinsridharan> True, but looks for a ".yaml" file correct?
[22:19] <navinsridharan> I manually fed the credentials saying "juju add-cloud"
[22:20] <hml> navinsridharan: that’s all under the covers of juju so to speak.  as a user, you can verify them with “juju credentials --format yaml --show-secrets”
[22:21] <navinsridharan> ubuntu@ubuntu-ProLiant-DL380-G6:~/joid_config$ juju credentials --format yaml --show-secrets
[22:21] <navinsridharan> credentials:
[22:21] <navinsridharan>   openstack:
[22:21] <navinsridharan>     openstack:
[22:21] <navinsridharan>       auth-type: userpass
[22:21] <navinsridharan>       password: openstack
[22:21] <navinsridharan>       project-domain-name: admin_domain
[22:21] <navinsridharan>       tenant-name: admin
[22:21] <navinsridharan>       user-domain-name: admin_domain
[22:21] <navinsridharan>       username: admin
[22:21] <navinsridharan>   opnfv-virtualpod1-maas:
[22:21] <navinsridharan>     opnfv-credentials:
[22:22] <hml> navinsridharan:   those should be fine.
[22:23] <hml> navinsridharan:  i know why we couldn’t see the instance the gui - there’s a juju bug  :-/ for openstack.
[22:24] <navinsridharan> Ohh I see, I thought this bug was fixed in JUJU2.0 ??
[22:24] <hml> navinsridharan:  this one is specific to keep-broken
[22:24] <hml> navinsridharan:   not the rest of it
[22:24] <navinsridharan> Ohh I see, okay
[22:25] <navinsridharan> Counting on you..... :)
[22:26] <hml> navinsridharan:  hold on a sec
[22:26] <navinsridharan> sure
[22:36] <hml> navinsridharan: my personal openstack is busted, but there should be a bunch of other nova logs -  could they be on a different VM? from nova-compute.log - they are in my config
[22:43] <navinsridharan> sorry, missed your message
[22:44] <hml> navinsridharan: i filed a bug on the one keep-broken problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1735013
[22:44] <mup> Bug #1735013: openstack provider deletes instance when keep-broken used during bootstrap <openstack-provider> <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1735013>
[22:44] <navinsridharan> There are only two VM's where the control and compute logs are hosted
[22:44] <navinsridharan> I checked both the locations
[22:44] <hml> navinsridharan: hrmm…
[22:47] <hml> navinsridharan: can you look at the security groups with the admin-openrc credentials from the CLI?  the juju created ones should still be there.
[22:48] <navinsridharan> Yes I do see them there
[22:49] <hml> navinsridharan: that’s good news… do they show up in the neutron logs?
[22:51] <navinsridharan> neutron-api/0*            active    idle   2/lxd/2  <IP_ADDRESS>  9696/tcp                                 Unit is ready
[22:51] <navinsridharan> neutron-gateway/0*        active    idle   0        <IP_ADDRESS>                                           Unit is ready
[22:52] <navinsridharan> I see  two units in the name of neutron
[22:52] <navinsridharan> which one am I supposed to login?
[22:55] <hml> navinsridharan: try both?  i’m blanking on the specific one
[22:55] <hml> navinsridharan: did you deploy openstack with juju?
[22:56] <navinsridharan> Yes I did..
[22:57] <hml> navinsridharan:the nova logs with instance info would be on nova-cloud-controller/0
[22:58] <navinsridharan> I see a bunch of *.log under /var/log/nova on nova-cloud-controller/0
[22:58] <navinsridharan> Is there any specific file you expect me to check??
[22:59] <navinsridharan> got it
[22:59] <hml> navinsridharan: i’d just grep all of them
[22:59] <navinsridharan> I see No valid host found
[22:59] <navinsridharan> using grepping
[22:59] <navinsridharan> Yeah did the same
[22:59] <navinsridharan> I see them in nova-conductor.log file
[23:00] <hml> navinsridharan: so then that file should have the info we’re looking for around where the No valid host is located
[23:03] <navinsridharan> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/W2vCpvmn/nova-conductor.log
[23:04] <hml> navinsridharan: now i have to laugh a little - reason=“”  :-)
[23:04] <navinsridharan> is it empty??
[23:05] <hml> navinsridharan: there’s more info - i can track it down hopefully by the trace
[23:05] <hml> navinsridharan: let me talk to some folks with this info and get back to you by email hopefully tomorrow ok?
[23:06] <navinsridharan> Thanks, just can't wait for you to kill this :)
[23:06] <hml> navinsridharan: me too!
[23:06] <navinsridharan> Sure
[23:06] <navinsridharan> Is this info more than enough or would you be needing anything else Heather?>
[23:06] <hml> navinsridharan: ttyl
[23:07] <hml> navinsridharan: nothing specific is coming to mind right now
[23:07] <navinsridharan> Sure, thanks once again for guiding me through, appreciate it
[23:07] <navinsridharan> take caere
[23:07] <navinsridharan> Hoping to hear from you on something positive by tom :)


[02:07] <charliemac> What command do I enter where it says "grub>" on the GNU GRUB screen the first time I try to load Ubuntu?
[02:08] <MrChrisDruif> charliemac: I don't know, but I think your grub is borked?
[02:08] <charliemac> When I type "
[02:09] <charliemac> exit," a UNetbootin window opens asking me if I want to try #lubuntu without installing, install Lubuntu, or check disc for defects.
[02:10] <MrChrisDruif> Did you install it already?
[02:13] <charliemac> Yeah, i installed Xubuntu through WUBI because I couldn't figure out a way to get Lubuntu on there without a cd-rom or USB-boot option (I was planning to use LXDE w/ SLiM, anyway...)
[02:21] <MrChrisDruif> But you've got a Lubuntu CD in now?
[02:23] <charliemac> Will not boot from CD.  I used WUBI to install it through windows
[02:24] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, but I was wondering why you got the message about Trying Lubuntu etc...
[02:25] <zeroseven0183> charliemac, did your Xubuntu installation via Wubi finished?
[02:25] <MrAnthrope> How do I check the driver version for my graphics card?
[02:26] <charliemac> Yes, it finished and prompted me to reboot so I did.  When it asked for which OS to boot from, I chose Xubuntu, and got the GNU GRUB screen.
[02:29] <zeroseven0183> MrAnthrope: type  dpkg -l | grep <nameofvideocard> in a Terminal
[02:29] <zeroseven0183> MrAnthrope: Example, dpkg -l | grep Nvidia
[02:29] <MrAnthrope> Thank you, zeroseven0183 :)
[02:29] <zeroseven0183> charliemac: It seems that the installation was unsuccessful.
[02:29] <zeroseven0183> MrAnthrope: Sure.
[02:30] <zeroseven0183> charliemac: Can you still boot to Windows?
[02:30] <charliemac> Let's see
[02:33] <charliemac> Yes windows still boots very well
[02:34] <zeroseven0183> Have you tried reinstalling Xubuntu?
[02:34] <zeroseven0183> Add/remove
[02:35] <zeroseven0183> If I'm not mistaken, Xubuntu like Ubuntu/Kubuntu has an option to install side-by-side with Windows when you boot from a Live CD/USB.
[02:35] <zeroseven0183> I haven't tried doing that via Wubi
[02:36] <charliemac> Yeah, i thought they were approximately the same
[02:36] <zeroseven0183> Because I usually have problems with Wubi
[02:36] <zeroseven0183> With Wubi, it will create a "virtual" partition inside your Windows partition.
[02:37] <zeroseven0183> With the live CD, you will allocate the partition separate from Windows
[02:37] <zeroseven0183> that's why you can easily remove it from Windows. It's like just another Windows application/software.
[02:37] <charliemac> Yes, through WUBI i gave it 30 gb out of the 80gb hard drife
[02:39] <zeroseven0183> I assume you're trying Xubuntu because you have a low-powered computer. Right?
[02:39] <zeroseven0183> I suggest you try Lubuntu
[02:42] <Midnightryder2> I am running Ubuntu 10.10. I am trying to make "efax-gtk" work. I have installed it from the Software Cente and tried to enter commands from it's website but to no avail. I have read Ubuntu advice but run commands tell me that the files don't exist. When I try to use the GUI it gives me a bunch of error messages. I know my computer has a fax modem but can't seem to connect it with efax-gtk.Does anyone have any suggestion
[02:42] <Midnightryder2> s ?
[03:14] <charliemac> How ca I get the live CD?
[03:16] <Midnightryder2> charliemac: For Ubuntu 10.10?
[03:17] <charliemac> Yes
[03:19] <Midnightryder2> Go to the Ubuntu website and to downloads. Choose either 32-bit or 64-bit and download it to your desktop. Then "Burn Image" to a CD. You can order one from the website but it takes several weeks for delivery.
[03:21] <Midnightryder2> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/
[03:25] <Midnightryder2> It was a 15 minute download for me and I have cable.
[03:26] <aveilleux> Midnightryder2: That's a mirror of Ubuntu, the main site is http://ubuntu.com/
[03:27] <Midnightryder2> aveilleux: Thank you. I stand corrected.
[04:04] <Midas007> Hello
[04:04] <aveilleux> hi Midas007
[04:04] <Midas007> I'm an embarassed newbie
[04:05] <Midas007> i have alot of questions
[04:05] <aveilleux> Midas007: Ask away
[04:05] <Midas007> I'm trying to download an audio file
[04:05] <Midas007> I can provide the URL to a media player
[04:06] <Midas007> and the player plays it
[04:06] <Midas007> but i'm unable to find a way to save the audio
[04:06] <aveilleux> Midas007: What player?
[04:07] <Midas007> For example, I'm using the Totem Movie Player
[04:07] <Midas007> of course I'm using Ubuntu
[04:07] <Midas007> Lucid
[04:07] <Midas007> Totem Movie Player 2.30.2
[04:08] <aveilleux> Midas007: Have you tried plugging the filename into, say, Firefox, then doing File > Save?
[04:08] <Midas007> No ... I'll try right now ...
[04:14] <Midas007> I'm back ...
[04:14] <Midas007> OK, I tried to save with Firefox and it didn't work ...
[04:14] <Midas007> I'll try to describe the situation
[04:15] <Midas007> The URL is, for example, http://mediasblahblahblah.wmv
[04:15] <Midas007> Not the real link though, but if u want it I'll provide it
[04:16] <Midas007> Anyway, it ends in .wmv
[04:16] <Midas007> When I enter this in Firefox, the Totem Plugin starts up and the song plays
[04:17] <Midas007> So the plugin is able to find the actual audio file
[04:17] <Midas007> However, when I try to save the content at http://mediasblahblahblah.wmv I get a small file
[04:18] <Midas007> About 200 bytes
[04:18] <Midas007> That file has more info
[04:19] <Midas007> which I think directs the Totem plugin to another location
[04:19] <Midas007> And that's the thing with these media players ... they are able to follow along all these redirections
[04:20] <Midas007> and I can't
[04:20] <Midas007> And I don't know any application that can follow the redirections and fetch the actual audio file
[04:24] <Midas007> Is anyone still there?
[04:27] <aveilleux> Midas007: I don't use the standard apps in Ubuntu...
[04:30] <Midas007> OK aveilleux
[04:30] <Midas007> Do u have a suggestion regarding apps?
[04:30] <aveilleux> Midas007: I use VLC Media Player (sudo apt-get install vlc)
[04:31] <Midas007> I see ... and it's in the repository too ...
[04:31] <aveilleux> Midas007: Yeah. I use it on all the platforms I operate on
[04:32] <Midas007> Right. I used it in Windows before
[04:32] <Midas007> Hmmm. I'll install it right now and give it a try.
[04:40] <Midas007> VLC does not "play" my URL
[04:40] <Midas007> It gives me an error
[04:43] <aveilleux> Midas007: Media > Convert/Save?
[04:43] <Midas007> OK, it seems to be my fault ...
[04:43] <Midas007> It's working now ...
[04:44] <Midas007> OK, it's playing "from" the URL
[04:44] <Midas007> The song is 4 min long.
[04:44] <Midas007> Can I save it?
[04:45] <Midas007> It hasn't completely played yet.
[04:47] <Midas007> I don't see how VLC can save the audio it is currently playing from the URL
[04:49] <aveilleux> Midas007: Did you select Convert/Save from the Media menu>
[04:49] <aveilleux> ?*
[04:50] <Midas007> OK, I'm trying it now ...
[04:52] <Midas007> The process appears to be running but I have to leave for about one hour and I'll take a look at it again then. Thanks for all the help to get to this point. Thank you.
[05:01] <User_> help pls
[05:03] <aveilleux> !ask | User_
[05:03] <ubot2> User_: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[05:07] <adil> i hava lap with amd 64 processor and 512 mb ram nvidia 64mb graphics card wich shld i use ubuntu or xubuntu?
[05:07] <holstein> i run full gnome on an EEE 900
[05:07] <holstein> its not snappy
[05:08] <holstein> but do-able
[05:08] <holstein> 900mhz with a gig of ram
[05:08] <holstein> lubuntu is really light-weight
[05:10] <aveilleux> adil: That speed processor?
[05:10] <adil> 645 mhz
[05:11] <IAmNotThatGuy> lubuntu will be my preference
[05:11] <IAmNotThatGuy> anyways gtg. bye all/
[05:12] <adil> AMD Athlon 64 processor 3400+ 645 Mhz, 512 MB of RAM
[05:15] <adil> aveilleux:AMD Athlon 64 processor 3400+ 645 Mhz, 512 MB of RAM
[05:17] <aveilleux> adil: You'll want to look into something lighter than Xubuntu... Lubuntu perhaps, or maybe even a Fluxbox setup
[05:18] <aveilleux> adil: I'd love to explain more but I really gotta go, sorry
[05:18] <aveilleux> adil: The people in here and #lubuntu can help you
[07:37] <thiva> need 2 ask u someting about ubuntu software center
[08:41] <Midas007> Hi
[08:52] <Midas007> I'm trying to download audio from a specific URL. Is there someone who can take my questions?
[08:54] <hobgoblin> !ask | Midas007
[08:54] <ubot2> Midas007: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[08:55] <Midas007> How should I refer to the specific URL? Should I post the actual one?
[08:57] <hobgoblin> Midas007: probably the easiest thing is to use wget in terminal    wget name.url
[08:58] <Midas007> I'll try it right now ...
[08:58] <Midas007> Is there a rule regarding posting a real URL here?
[08:59] <hobgoblin> not that I'm aware of - but if it turned out to be music that you should pay for I would ignore the request for help ;)
[09:00] <Midas007> It is a song. It's a stream of a live performance. It's located on the site of a radio station.
[09:00] <Midas007> That particular performance is not for sale
[09:01] <Midas007> It can be played repeatedly from the site but my connection is not good enough to keep doing it that way. That's why I'd like to download it.
[09:01] <hobgoblin> then I'll not help you anymore I'm afraid
[09:02] <Midas007> So you're sure I'm not allowed to download it?
[09:03] <Midas007> Someone here, earlier, told me that VLC could save whatever it could play. It seemed like it was OK then to save what I could play with VLC.
[09:04] <Midas007> Anyway, VLC did not work. I couldn't figure out how to make it work.
[09:05] <Midas007> wget didn't work either. All I get is a small file of 240 bytes.
[09:05] <Midas007> The file contains two other URLs.
[10:14] <AJH101> Hi i have asked this qn on #android-dev but no-one responded (too basic for them i guess). i am trying to set up an android virtual machine. I have vbox and have mounted the android iso image (mounted) but cannot get it to start. Any ideas?
[10:22] <AJH101> morning anyone?!
[11:33] <charliemac> does anyone know where to get the #lubuntu 10.10 kernel?
[11:35] <charliemac> I'm trying the <http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html> method for installing without USB/CD/Floppy.
[12:20] <charliemac> Does anyone know where to get the Lubuntu 10.10 kernel?  I'm trying the <http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html> method for installing without USB/CD/Floppy.
[12:28] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[12:29] <hobgoblin> o/
[12:29] <geirha> charliemac: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromWindows
[12:29] <geirha> Howdy :)
[12:30] <bioterror> hey, I've got cisco switch, how do I disable that slow link activation
[12:30] <bioterror> :D
[12:38] <geirha> There seems to be no way of getting a notification when someone comments or votes on your answers/comments at askubuntu.
[13:34] <charliemac> Thanks for reminding me that <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromWindows> is the source of <http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html>!!! :D
[13:38] <AJH101> i how do i create a virtual cd to use in virtual box please/
[13:39] <AJH101> sorry should read 'hi'! :-)
[13:42] <geirha> AJH101: create? from what?
[13:42] <hobgoblin> if it's an iso - you can just use that without mucking about
[13:42] <AJH101> sorry i think i need some help(!)
[13:43] <AJH101> how do i get virtual box to use that file/
[13:43] <AJH101> ?
[13:43] <AJH101> sticky keyboard sorry
[13:44] <geirha> AJH101: First off, your VM must be turned off
[13:44] <AJH101> ok
[13:44] <geirha> Then in the view over your virtual machines, select the machine you want to change.
[13:44] <geirha> Then click on "Storage" for that VM.
[13:45] <geirha> Click on the CD-icon and add the iso file to it
[13:46] <geirha> There's a dropdown menu containing iso-files you've used before. If your iso is not in there, click the icon with a folder and a green up-arrow right next to it, then browse to the iso file.
[13:50] <AJH101> what type of drive will it be, sata? (sorry for the qn)
[13:52] <geirha> AJH101: IDE (PATA) by default
[13:53] <geirha> Not sure if you can change it, but it shouldn't matter.
[13:54] <AJH101> brilliant
[13:54] <AJH101> thanks for your help! :-)
[13:54] <geirha> :)
[13:58] <MrChrisDruif> Sorry, was reading omg...but you can change that in settings of the vm and in the storage....and then select the iso.....but geirha already said that :)
[13:58] <MrChrisDruif> (Just confirming geirha)
[14:12] <MrChrisDruif> But I'll be off again....ttyl
[15:22] <amk> hi all
[15:22] <amk> since I have both ubuntu and suse installed and i want to get rid of suse
[15:23] <amk> the prob. is that I can't understand which partition belongs to which system
[15:24] <amk> can I have some suggestions please
[15:24] <amk> thanks in advance
[15:25] <AbhiJit> yes
[15:25] <AbhiJit> amk, go to system monitor and see in which partition suse is installed
[15:25] <stlsaint> use gparted
[15:25] <AbhiJit> sd1 sdb etc
[15:25] <AbhiJit> yah gparted will do also
[15:26] <stlsaint> amk: as AbhiJit said you can also use "system monitor" in the System tab in ubuntu
[15:26] <AbhiJit> :P
[15:26] <AbhiJit> :)
[15:26] <stlsaint> AbhiJit: going to the "Filesystems" tab will show you what partitions you have
[15:26] <AbhiJit> yeah
[15:28] <AbhiJit> stlsaint, you not online these days much?
[15:29] <stlsaint> AbhiJit: thats cause i was sent overseas for a year in kuwait ;)
[15:29] <AbhiJit> :o
[15:29] <AbhiJit> stlsaint, good! :)
[15:30] <stlsaint> :D
[15:30] <amk> I will try to do that
[15:37] <amk> Abhijit thanks, I can see the partitions, but it is not specified which system is in one or the other.
[15:38] <amk> ok, guys thanks, will continue tomorrow. I have to go to work now. wish you a good day!
[16:09] <kristian-aalborg> would anybody know how to change my font to Terminus in sakura?
[16:34] <jonthue> do i have to be a developer to download unity
[17:29] <JackyAlcine> Can you read this?
[17:30] <MrChrisDruif> JackyAlcine: How?
[17:30] <MrChrisDruif> Who*
[17:31] <JackyAlcine> Lol, so it's not working.
[17:31] <MrChrisDruif> What should we read JackyAlcine? :)
[17:32] <JackyAlcine> Lol, nothing. Forget it.
[17:33] <MrChrisDruif> Forget what? ;)
[17:52] <pip__> with a separate /home partition is there a danger of config incompatibility with a new release clean install?
[17:52] <pip__> ifthaat makes  sense
[17:58] <philinux> pip__: none at all I've found
[17:58] <kristian-aalborg> okay, a program or two for the console to show a new user that it is a cool thing?
[17:58] <kristian-aalborg> I'm thinking dict
[17:59] <pip__> ok, thanks phillw
[17:59] <pip__> sorry philinux
[17:59] <philinux> no worries
[17:59] <pip__> too many phils
[19:46] <bp7lax> is their a PPS repository file for google chrome or an APT line that anoybody knows of?
[20:23] <Red-Raven> hey guys. ready to give my server another shot.
[20:23] <Red-Raven> i think i should just start over.
[20:24] <Red-Raven> can anyone here help me out with this>
[20:24] <Red-Raven> ?*
[20:48] <jon8_> if i do 'sudo service gdm stop' .. it stops gnome. how can i easily stop gnome from booting on startup.
[20:50] <Red-Raven> in order to switch to a different environmnet?
[20:51] <Red-Raven> environment*
[20:52] <jon8_> Red-Raven no.. just to disable gdm and run terminal only.
[20:52] <jon8_> i dont need gui 95% of the time but dont want to uninstall
[20:52] <jon8_> but i also dont need it wasting precious ram either :P
[20:57] <Red-Raven> oh. IDK, im still kind of new. i thought you wanted to pick a different one, in which case you can pick at log in. a CLI might be one of those choices. im not sure though. sry.
[20:57] <Red-Raven> found this in a forum. might help: While in the GUI (Gnome), I went to System>Administration>Services and un-checked "Graphical Login Manager." I'm sorry if the wording is not exact, but, with that, I re-booted and was greeted with a terminal screen
[22:29] <Red-Raven> hey guys. can anyone here help me out with my SSH server?
[22:29] <bioterror> !ask | Red-Raven
[22:29] <ubot2> Red-Raven: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[22:30] <Red-Raven> sry bioterror.
[22:31] <Red-Raven> im having problems with the password. im loging into the server from my client pc, but it asks me for a password. i don't know it, and it not the password for the computer the server is on.
[22:32] <bioterror> ssh user@server
[22:32] <Red-Raven> thats the password? i thought i needed an RSA or public key?
[22:33] <bioterror> how the heck we can know your passwords
[22:34] <holstein> you can use keys or passwords Red-Raven
[22:34] <holstein> out of the box
[22:34] <Red-Raven> im telling you its not the password i use to log into the server rig. there must be a default password or i have to generate one or there's one in a config file somewhere.
[22:34] <holstein> you should be able to login with the user pass
[22:35] <Red-Raven> ok. how do i get them?
[22:35] <bioterror> as I said ssh user@server
[22:35] <bioterror> you have to know user and you have to know server
[22:35] <bioterror> right?
[22:35] <holstein> ssh Red-Raven@ipaddress
[22:35] <holstein> and it will be Red-Raven 's pass
[22:35] <bioterror> :D
[22:45] <Red-Raven> hey sry about that. stupid disconnects. did you get my post about it still being denied?
[22:47] <holstein> Red-Raven: what is denied?
[22:47] <Red-Raven> just got a permission denied error from the password.
[22:48] <holstein> from the server you mean
[22:48] <holstein> Red-Raven: can you go to the server?
[22:48] <holstein> or is it headless?
[22:48] <Red-Raven> i entered that password on the client.
[22:49] <Red-Raven> no its not. i can use it. its running 10.10 desktop.
[22:50] <holstein> Red-Raven: go to the server
[22:50] <Red-Raven> im at it now. both my rigs are on my desk :P
[22:50] <holstein> hit control-alt-F2
[22:50] <holstein> and try and login
[22:50] <holstein> if you can login there
[22:51] <holstein> with the user and pass you are trying
[22:51] <holstein> then you know you dont have SSH configured properly
[22:51] <holstein> Red-Raven: control-alt-F7 to get back to the GUI
[22:52] <Red-Raven> which computer's info do i put in? ths clients password or the servers
[22:52] <Red-Raven> ?*
[22:53] <Red-Raven> can you guys not see me anymore>
[22:53] <Red-Raven> ?*
[22:53] <Red-Raven> i think this happens whenever i do anything with the server.
[22:55] <holstein> Red-Raven: where are you now?
[22:55] <holstein> did you do as i suggested yet?
[22:55] <holstein> or do i need to retype it?
[22:55] <holstein> in *bold* ;)
[22:55] <holstein> try your user and pass on the server machine
[22:55] <holstein> locally
[22:56] <Red-Raven> sry gtg. moms making me put away cloths and clean the bathroom. :(
[22:56] <holstein> to double check the creds
[22:58] <Red-Raven> ill be back in a few.


[03:00] <shantorn> good evening folks
[14:55] <c_smith> g'morning, shantorn
[15:03] <sgclark> morning


[02:14] <allee> Riddell: ping?  knemo and network notifications (knemo)
[02:14] <Riddell> allee: hmm?
[02:15] <allee> I wonder if there are any plans about (network) notifications already
[02:15] <allee> ?
[02:16] <allee> in udu is a page about a general eventnotifier, but kde(pim) has already networkstatus and finally there's knemo ...
[02:17] <Riddell> knemo is too hard to set up
[02:17] <allee> any plans about the route kubuntu will go for breezy
[02:17] <Riddell> what is networkstatus?
[02:17] <allee> easier setup is on of the TODO things for knemo
[02:17] <Riddell> ivman can monitor HAL for changes in network and pop up friendly messages
[02:18] <allee> kded module.   see KDE services
[02:18] <allee> AFAIR on ivman homepage author is not sure if ivman or dbus/hal is the way to the future
[02:19] <Riddell> why wouldn't it be?
[02:19] <allee> Btw.  networkstatus does (passiv) popups already
[02:20] <allee> "<Riddell> why wouldn't it be?".   Maybe I recall wrong.
[02:20] <allee> nevertheless knemo does much more than just show an icon on net connections ...
[02:21] <Riddell> my kded has Network Status Daemon running but I've never seen any popups
[02:21] <Riddell> what else does knemo do?
[02:21] <allee> that's the reason why I think about replacing knemo polling with 'a app' informs knemo about network changes.  Knemo stays passive until more info or monitoring is required
[02:22] <allee> Riddell: tooltip with network infos.  Monitor traffic.  custom action for interfaces (e.g. ifup/down)
[02:23] <allee> Riddell: knemo does almost everything the littel network icons in windows systray can do
[02:23] <Riddell> I would like knemo in there but it needs to set itself up
[02:23] <allee> as I said it's on my TODO ;)
[02:24] <allee> If knemo gets if existance/up/down info form an external tool.  Setup can be made almost automatic ...
[02:25] <Riddell> hal :)
[02:25] <allee> except the decision: to show an icon for an iface or not.  this has to be decided and written to an config file
[02:25] <Riddell> why?  if it's up show it, else don't
[02:25] <Riddell> and don't show loopback
[02:27] <allee> hal is 'low' level.   Maybe a 'dispatcher' like ivman or merge knemo and networkstatus.  I'm not sure yet
[02:27] <allee> window does _not_ show icon per default
[02:27] <allee> as I said one has to decide ;)
[02:29] <allee> I'll have another more deeper look at ivman ...
[02:29] <allee> btw. is kay designed to be feed by ivman   (I've to talk with JRe about it.  Some design decision I don't understand)
[02:31] <Riddell> it's not designed for ivman no, but if we use it it'll be with ivman
[02:32] <allee> will ubuntu  go with ivman too?
[02:32] <Riddell> no, they'll still with gnome-volume-manager
[02:32] <allee> wait I'll search the udu page ...
[02:45] <allee> it's late, can't find it :(
[02:45] <allee> thx for the infos Riddell.   I'll check ivman doc and code to see what needs adaption in knemo
[03:01] <allee> mhmm, no pkg for ivman yet?
[03:03] <Riddell> I havn't uploaded it yet, will probably do so tomorrow
[03:03] <Riddell> http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/ivman/
[03:27] <allee> thx
[09:51] <\sh> hey jre
[09:51] <JRe> hey!
[09:51] <JRe> \sh: no response for the thread about gpl/apache license :(
[09:52] <\sh> JRe: nobody is interessted
[09:53] <JRe> \sh: may be we should ask that on debian-devel or legal
[09:54] <\sh> i don't want to have debian involved...that would produce too much of hot air ;)
[09:55] <JRe> \sh: yeah that's what i think too ;) ;)
[11:39] <allee> JRe: ping?
[11:40] <JRe> allee: pong!
[11:40] <allee> JRe: hi
[11:40] <JRe> allee: elo!
[11:40] <allee> JRe: I looked at kay and I wonder why you choose the action as single xml file.  My ..
[11:40] <allee> concern is how to other pkg register
[11:41] <allee> JRe: e.g. digikam gets installed.  Is there an easy way to regist to e.g., DATACD
[11:41] <JRe> allee: maybe it would be better to make several actions file ?
[11:42] <JRe> allee: in several directories ?
[11:42] <allee> JRe: my first idea was a apps/kay/action.d/<app>.xml
[11:43] <JRe> allee: yeah! good idea!
[11:44] <JRe> allee: and in the <app>.xml the displayed categories are configurable
[11:45] <allee> JRe: can there be even new categories?  e.g. AUDIOINPUT?
[11:45] <JRe> sure!
[11:45] <allee> JRe: great!
[11:47] <allee> brb
[11:47] <JRe> okay C U!
[11:52] <allee> JRe: for kay TODO:  check in executeable exists. either do not display the action or pop up error msg
[11:53] <JRe> allee: yeah! good idea ;)
[11:54] <allee> JRe: if you go with action.d/  it may be nice to watch for changes so if an app registers an action it's immediately available
[11:54] <JRe> allee: yeah sure
[11:54] <allee> JRe: how do you 'restart' kay during development.  Kill/start kded?
[11:55] <JRe> allee: restarting kded yes
[11:56] <JRe> allee: you really told be a bunch of great feature to add ;) i will add all of that in the TODO for the 0.4 version
[11:57] <allee> KDEDmodules lack infrastucture (load/unload/help/config ;)
[11:58] <Riddell> actually you can load and unload them from kcontrol
[11:58] <Riddell> "KDE Components"
[11:58] <Riddell> or systemsettings
[11:58] <allee> mhmm, a method to add a new action with the popup would be nice too.  If favorite app is not there add it is one click away
[11:59] <allee> Riddell: stop/start I know  but unload/load mhmm only tried in 3.3 days. checking ...
[12:00] <Riddell> ah you mean if new services are added
[12:00] <JRe> allee: you mean adding an action directly from the action dialog ?
[12:01] <allee> Riddell: no.  I mean during development testing one needs to (re)load the kdedmodule
[12:02] <JRe> Riddell: you con stop and start but it's the same version loaded
[12:02] <allee> some apps didn't like if one kills kded under their feet (at least in 3.3 days)
[12:03] <allee> but missing load/unload is no big deal.  That in 'service manager' is now way to access help or configure the service is MUCH more bad from usage point of view
[12:06] <allee> JRe: yes.  E.g. yesterday I added my usbstick triggered started kay and digikam was not there.  Would be nice to be able to add the (favorite) app now.
[12:06] <JRe> allee: once again, you're right ;)
[12:08] <allee> First time usage experience is usualy the best input  (after some usage one tends to focus on special personal wishes ;)
[12:10] <\sh> Riddell: what about your cxx bugs in malone?
[12:11] <JRe> allee: right! i'll try to put all these features in kay 0.4.0: application hook, standard apps checker, quick add
[12:13] <Riddell> \sh: what about them?
[12:13] <allee> JRe: 0.3.2 is already a huge step in the right direction!  Congrats
[12:13] <JRe> allee: thanks ;)
[12:16] <allee> JRe: btw you may add it to kde-apps (mentioning developed for kubuntu but usable also on other general dists ;)
[12:18] <\sh> Riddell: is it for later? i'm trying to clean malone a bit...but malone doesn't like me..it's not unusable
[12:19] <Riddell> \sh: it's for debian's sake
[12:19] <\sh> Riddell: aha :)
[12:20] <Riddell> \sh: if you can work out how to say that it's fixed in ubuntu and not debian that would be nifty
[12:21] <\sh> Riddell: well...file a bug in debian, say "fixed" in malone...;)
[12:21] <\sh> i can't even change the status and go back to the bug commenting page
[12:22] <\sh> it's not usable...as i said *grmpf*
[12:24] <JRe> allee: yes you're right! i wait for sourceforge to accept my project and as soon as it's done i'll put a link to kde-apps
[12:28] <allee> JRe: My favorite is KDE svn extragear or playground for some time.  Better translation, better peer review ;)
[12:30] <JRe> allee: yeah i should move to that place, but only if people from kde found my little app interesting. Moreover i have also to send some patches in order that they trust me
[12:32] <allee> JRe: really?  It will be used in kubuntu, won't it? I guess asking on kde-extragear / helio should be enough
[12:32] <allee> lunch
[12:33] <Riddell> JRe: do you have an SVN account?
[12:33] <JRe> Riddell: nop
[12:33] <Riddell> that would be the problem then
[12:36] <JRe> ???
[12:37] <Riddell> hard to put it in KDE's SVN without an account
[12:37] <JRe> Riddell:yeah i have to contribute to KDE a lot in order to have an account ;) ;) ;)
[01:41] <amu> Riddell: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdenonbeta/kdedebian/livecd/
[01:41] <amu> that's a early version of the liveCD installer in python with qt bindings
[01:43] <Riddell> amu: looks pretty inactive
[01:43] <allee> JRe: No, not a lot.  Btw. you have already KDE code to contribute (btw, much more than I did).   Just ask yourself are you commited to work on kay.  Then ping heliocasto on #kde-devel
[01:44] <amu> Riddell: it works for the old style liveCD's .. it was an initial checkin by carsten, phil has meanwhile newer versions
[01:46] <amu> asked phil for a newer version, after i get it, i'll update it.
[01:47] <Riddell> who is phil?
[01:48] <amu> the installer is diffent than my idea, my plan is CD is installable with just a boot option
[01:50] <amu> Philip Stadermann
[01:51] <Riddell> don't know him
[01:56] <\sh> riddell: breezy, installed kubuntu-desktop...no kde as login session in kdm/gdm
[01:57] <Riddell> \sh: what do you have?
[01:57] <\sh> Riddell: gnome, failsafe
[01:59] <Riddell> that's not good
[01:59] <Riddell> it's working for me
[02:00] <\sh> i made an update of hoary...
[02:00] <Riddell> me too
[02:00] <\sh> where r the session files normally stored, that kdm/xdm/gdm knows about the available sessions?
[02:00] <Riddell> did you keep your old kdmrc or use the new one?
[02:00] <allee> \sh so did I 2 days ago. gnome was default but kde was there
[02:01] <Riddell> /usr/share/xsessions/
[02:01] <\sh> only gnome.desktop inside
[02:02] <\sh> ah
[02:02] <\sh> ksmserver was not installed during kubuntu-desktop install
[02:02] <\sh> and kpersonalizer also not
[02:03] <Riddell> does it need kpersonalizer?
[02:04] <\sh> ksmserver suggest kpersonalizer..but kde.desktop for the xsession is in ksmserver
[02:04] <\sh> ok...changing clients...moment
[02:05] <\sh> back
[02:06] <\sh> ok...but in the end...adjusting fontpath, and installing ksmserver, and breezy looks fine even with kde
[02:06] <Riddell> \sh: which widget theme does it use?
[02:07] <Riddell> kwin depends on ksmserver
[02:07] <\sh> plastik (for me)
[02:07] <\sh> but this was default for kubuntu kde-3.4.1 packages
[02:07] <Riddell> nope, it suggests it
[02:08] <\sh> put it as dependency in kubuntu-desktop-meta
[02:12] <Riddell> hmm, lipstik has stopped working altogether
[02:15] <Riddell> \sh: tried systemsettings?
[02:15] <\sh> hmmm
[02:16] <\sh> kcontrol -> SysAdm -> Date & Time -> Admin Mode ==> No kdesu box nothing
[02:18] <Riddell> \sh: works for me
[02:18] <Riddell> \sh: do you have a password required for sudo?
[02:18] <\sh> yes...
[02:18] <Riddell> \sh: do you have kdesu installed?
[02:19] <\sh> hmmm
[02:19] <\sh> apt-cache search kdesu brings nothing
[02:20] <Riddell> part of kdebase-bin
[02:21] <\sh> is installed
[02:21] <\sh> kdesu -c synaptic is working
[04:08] <jdong> I assume here's where I find Kubuntu developers?
[04:08] <Riddell> jdong: certainly is
[04:11] <jdong> k, good to know, lol
[04:14] <Riddell> jdong: doing a backport of amarok?  anything else?
[04:19] <jdong> Riddell: one of my devs is doing k3b and amarok
[04:20] <Riddell> jdong: give us a poke when they're in backports non-staging and I'll put a note on the website and mailing lists
[04:25] <jdong> ok, sure
[05:02] <JRe> allee: who was alleHol ?
[05:03] <allee> JRe: alleeHol is me on my breezy host.
[05:03] <JRe> allee: ;)
[05:04] <allee> JRe: I'm leaving soon and want to catch the logs
[05:04] <JRe> allee: there is a way to start a deamon which log irc ?
[05:04] <Riddell> screen is your friend
[05:05] <allee> Riddell: screen is no good with konversation ;)
[05:06] <Riddell> then either irssi is your friend or NX is
[05:08] <JRe> \sh: dircproxy seems to be what i need ;)
[05:09] <\sh> JRe: u can take logs with it, and it's a nice backend for irssi, xchat and konversation :)
[05:09] <\sh> i have it on my rootie running :)
[05:09] <allee> thx for the tips.   I'm not sure if I ever find the time to scan the weekend discussion.  For now it's just a try.
[05:09] <\sh> allee: but fabbione is logging all the stuff
[05:10] <\sh> people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/
[05:10] <JRe> \sh: wow magic ;) !
[05:12] <Riddell> elmo: I uploaded a wrong version of ivman to NEW, could you delete it so I can upload the good one
[05:12] <allee> \sh: only *ubuntu* nevertheless good to know
[05:13] <Riddell> allee: kubuntu is in there
[05:13] <Riddell> you were expecting the whole of IRC?
[05:14] <\sh> lol
[05:14] <\sh> for that u should ask all irc admins ;)
[05:14] <allee> Riddell: eh eh,  Of course ;)
[05:15] <allee> have a nice time.  I'll join (as allee) whenever I've time over the weekend.  Bye
[05:16] <JRe> hehe i learn in the logs that usins @cdbs@ is not a good idea ;)
[05:36] <JRe> wow ubuntu wiki is far better now !
[06:13] <Riddell> uniq: the package for kio-locate needs a clean rule that works
[06:27] <Riddell> \sh: could you review katapult
[06:56] <Riddell> uniq: ipodslave reviewed
[06:57] <Riddell> changing package name to kio-ipod may or may not be a good idea, upstream is ipodslave so I expect that's fine
[07:11] <motaboy> Hi all!
[07:56] <elmo> Riddell: presumably kde-i18n source is obsolete and can be removed and shouldn't be synced?
[09:23] <Riddell> elmo: yes
[09:24] <elmo> k, done
[11:59] <gtaylor> You guys would probably get a kick out of this: http://clemsonlinux.org/~gtaylor/gallery/albums/Misc/dscf0551.sized.jpg
[11:59] <gtaylor> And the CDs look nice Riddell


[01:26] <bryce> Subject: [Mesa3d-announce] Mesa 7.4 released
[14:55] <tjaalton> "morning"
[15:03] <tjaalton> haha, a thread about ctrl-alt-del on xorg-devel@
[15:23] <tseliot> tjaalton: what's the title of that thread? I'm curious
[15:30] <tjaalton> tseliot: "Please revert ..."
[15:30] <tjaalton> the latest thread
[15:30] <tjaalton> nothing new there
[15:31] <tjaalton> just one passionate fedora user
[15:31] <tseliot> hehe
[15:31] <tseliot> isn't it in<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[15:31] <tjaalton> no this was xorg-devel, they were split some time ago
[15:31] <tjaalton> recently
[15:31] <tjaalton> "I would hope that all Xorg stakeholders will see this change for what it really represents. And
[15:32] <tjaalton> that any sensible distro will re-enable the historical default for the Ctrl-Alt-Backspace
[15:32] <tjaalton> keysequence.
[15:32] <tjaalton> can
[15:32] <tjaalton> can
[15:32] <tjaalton> fuck
[15:32] <tjaalton> can't see that happening
[15:32] <tjaalton> (damn Ideapad and it
[15:32] <tjaalton> ok I
[15:33] <tjaalton> ******
[15:33] <tseliot> LOL
[15:33] <tjaalton> i was saying..
[15:33] <tjaalton> that this keyboard is killing me
[15:33] <tjaalton> lenovo ideapad s10e
[15:34] <tseliot> I'm having to do with laptops with some very weird keyboard in these days...
[15:34] <tjaalton> i head, "congrats" :)
[15:34] <tjaalton> heard!
[15:34] <tjaalton> damn
[15:35] <tseliot> thanks ;)
[15:35] <tjaalton> if only th 3g card would work so I
[15:36] <tjaalton> aergh
[15:36] <tjaalton> ''''
[15:36] <tjaalton> ..so i could give this back
[15:37] <tseliot> why don't you use your phone as a 3g modem?
[15:37] <tseliot> it works well
[15:37] <tjaalton> that's a possibility, the guy who'll get this machine suggested that
[15:38] <tjaalton> the device works, but it doesn't authenticate for some reason
[15:39] <tjaalton> needs a kernel patch though, or ozerocdoff which disables the usb storage on it
[15:39] <tseliot> aah, that's the problem
[15:39] <tseliot> is the APN set correctly in network manager?
[15:40] <tjaalton> yes
[15:40] <tjaalton> same settings as on my laptop, which works
[15:41] <tseliot> ok
[15:41] <tjaalton> i've poked asac about it, but i'm not sure if it's a kernel or NM bug
[15:41] <tjaalton> 2.6.29 doesn't work either
[15:42] <tseliot> maybe you can ask the Red Hat guy directly
[15:43] <tjaalton> yeah
[15:43] <tseliot> he's got plenty of 3G devices
[15:44] <tseliot> and might have a clue about what's happening
[15:45] <tjaalton> i'll poke him next week
[15:46] <tjaalton> hmm, the stores close in 15min, need to get some beer ->
[20:04] <bryce> morning
[20:07] <bryce> yeah I like the latest CAB stuff blames it on "Those Emacs users!"
[20:17] <bryce> bah, boring discussion
[20:19] <crdlb> heh, every time I see XI2, I think it says X12
[23:31] <RAOF> Nyargh!  "git ci" should be a git command, damnit.


[10:57] <Serega> hi there
[10:57] <warp10> @now
[10:57] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: April 05 2008, 09:57:57 - Next meeting: Server Team in 4 days
[10:59] <Serega> oops, but https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
[12:46] <Zic> @schedule Paris
[12:46] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Paris: 09 Apr 23:00: Server Team | 10 Apr 22:00: Security Team | 16 Apr 23:00: Server Team | 23 Apr 23:00: Server Team | 30 Apr 23:00: Server Team


[05:39] <imbrandon> @schedule us/central
[05:39] <Ubugtu> Schedule for US/Central: 05 Sep 17:00: Community Council | 06 Sep 07:00: Edubuntu | 07 Sep 16:00: Kubuntu | 07 Sep 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Sep 15:00: Technical Board | 13 Sep 15:00: Edubuntu
[02:09] <Fujitsu> @schedule melbourne
[02:09] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Australia/Melbourne: 06 Sep 08:00: Community Council | 06 Sep 22:00: Edubuntu | 08 Sep 07:00: Kubuntu | 08 Sep 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Sep 06:00: Technical Board | 14 Sep 06:00: Edubuntu
[02:09] <Fujitsu> @now melbourne
[02:09] <Ubugtu> Current time in Australia/Melbourne: September 05 2006, 22:09:39 - Next meeting: Community Council in 9 hours 50 minutes
[04:00] <Hobbsee> @now sydney
[04:00] <Ubugtu> Current time in Australia/Sydney: September 06 2006, 00:00:19 - Next meeting: Community Council in 7 hours 59 minutes
[06:51] <jenda> @now Prague
[06:51] <Ubugtu> Current time in Europe/Prague: September 05 2006, 18:51:22 - Next meeting: Community Council in 5 hours 8 minutes
[06:55] <Seveas> @schedule amsterdam
[06:55] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Amsterdam: 06 Sep 00:00: Community Council | 06 Sep 14:00: Edubuntu | 07 Sep 23:00: Kubuntu | 08 Sep 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Sep 22:00: Technical Board | 13 Sep 22:00: Edubuntu
[07:35] <gnomefreak> @ schedule new_york
[07:35] <gnomefreak> @schedule new_york
[07:42] <highvoltage> @schedule johannesburg
[07:42] <gnomefreak> highvoltage: the bot is gone
[07:42] <highvoltage> :(
[07:44] <rodarvus> latest schedule seems to be: Schedule for Europe/Amsterdam: 06 Sep 00:00: Community Council | 06 Sep 14:00: Edubuntu | 07 Sep 23:00: Kubuntu | 08 Sep 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Sep 22:00: Technical Board | 13 Sep 22:00: Edubuntu
[07:44] <rodarvus> I assume Europe/Amsterdam is UTC+2, but I might be wrong
[07:44] <gnomefreak> it is
[07:46] <highvoltage> wow, meeting at midnight.
[07:47] <rodarvus> next ubuntu development meeting is 4AM for me
[07:53] <highvoltage> rodarvus: ouch
[08:01] <licio> @schedule Sao_Paulo
[08:01] <licio> ops
[08:46] <bieb_work> @schedule Atlanta
[08:47] <bieb_work> anyone here with experience with xubuntu
[08:50] <zul> @schedule montreal
[08:51] <licio> don't have any bots.. :(
[10:50] <jenda> @now Prague
[10:50] <Ubugtu> Current time in Europe/Prague: September 05 2006, 22:50:53 - Next meeting: Community Council in 1 hour 9 minutes
[10:52] <mruiz> @now Santiago
[10:52] <Ubugtu> Current time in America/Santiago: September 05 2006, 16:52:29 - Next meeting: Community Council in 1 hour 7 minutes
[10:53] <Lure> @schedule Ljubljana
[10:53] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Ljubljana: 06 Sep 00:00: Community Council | 06 Sep 14:00: Edubuntu | 07 Sep 23:00: Kubuntu | 08 Sep 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Sep 22:00: Technical Board | 13 Sep 22:00: Edubuntu
[11:01] <licio> Surak, hi
[11:01] <Surak> Hello
[11:04] <jono> @now London
[11:04] <Ubugtu> Current time in Europe/London: September 05 2006, 22:04:19 - Next meeting: Community Council in 55 minutes
[11:06] <licio> @now Sao_Paulo
[11:06] <Ubugtu> Current time in America/Sao_Paulo: September 05 2006, 18:06:39 - Next meeting: Community Council in 53 minutes
[11:47] <licio> Seveas, ping
[11:48] <Seveas> licio, ?
[11:48] <BHSPitLappy> Seveas, (that's where you go, "pong!")
[11:48] <LinuxBA_> good night all
[11:48] <BHSPitLappy> night
[11:50] <Surak> Hey LinuxBA - we were waiting for you :-)
[11:50] <LinuxBA_> sorry
[11:50] <LinuxBA_> my job
[11:50] <Surak> You're on schedule, don't worry
[11:50] <ubuntuser> Surak, CypherBIOS too.. ;)
[11:53] <LinuxBA_> my net is instable
[11:53] <LinuxBA_> unistable
[11:53] <pygi> heh
[11:54] <imbrandon> ...
[11:58] <jono> hey
[11:59] <Seveas> hi jono
[11:59] <welshbyte> hey jono
[11:59] <Seveas> Kamion, poke
[11:59] <jono> howdy :)
[12:00] <Seveas> midnight here
[12:00] <Seveas> let's hope the CC shows up
[12:01] <welshbyte> hey Hobbsee
[12:01] <jenda> yay, midnight here too, almost exactly.
[12:01] <gnomefreak> 6 here
[12:01] <Kamion> yes, I'm here
[12:01] <Kamion> I've pinged the others
[12:02] <Seveas> let's hope they don't timeout ;)
[12:02] <Hobbsee> hey all
[12:02] <Hobbsee> must be meeting time.
[12:02] <Seveas> hi elmo
[12:03] <imbrandon> moins all ( err evening for some )
[12:03] <jono> very much evening here :P
[12:03] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:03] <imbrandon> bout 11pm jono ? heh
[12:03] <jono> yep :)
[12:04] <imbrandon> btw i havent seen you on irc much ( diffrent hours ) congrats on the canonical pos
[12:04] <jono> thanks imbrandon :)
[12:04] <jono> imbrandon, where are you based?
[12:04] <imbrandon> KC Mo USA
[12:05] <Hobbsee> hey jono
[12:05] <imbrandon> but i keep aussie hours
[12:05] <gnomefreak> good job on book all of you :)
[12:05] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:05] <ajmitch> imbrandon: strange..
[12:05] <jono> hey Hobbsee :)
[12:05] <jono> gnomefreak, :)
[12:05] <jono> imbrandon, ahhh
[12:06] <ajmitch> hey jono
[12:06] <jono> howdy ajmitch
[12:06] <gnomefreak> found a typo but that is expected
[12:06] <gnomefreak> brb
[12:06] <imbrandon> lo ajmitch, thought you wasnt gonna make it ;)
[12:06] <ajmitch> imbrandon: I'm working, so I'll mainly just watch
[12:06] <imbrandon> ahh
[12:07] <Burgwork> gnomefreak, email myself with the page number and fix
[12:07] <jono> gnomefreak, a typo?! no! nooooo!
[12:07] <jono> :
[12:07] <Burgwork> gnomefreak, we are going to be revising the book for edgy shortly
[12:07] <jono> :P
[12:07] <gnomefreak> Burgwork: ok
[12:07] <jono> hey Burgwork :)
[12:08] <Burgwork> hey jono
[12:08] <Seveas> Burgwork, great
[12:08] <imbrandon> Burgwork, sweet , cant wait
[12:09] <jono> who are we waiting for ?
[12:09] <Kamion> sorry for the delay, elmo's just trying to get TECHNOLOGY to work in order to phone mako
[12:09] <Hobbsee> hey mako
[12:09] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:09] <mako> hey
[12:09] <ajmitch> mako!
[12:09] <Seveas> ola mako
[12:09] <bddebian> Hello mako
[12:09] <mako> sorry i'm on my phone.. weill be at a computer ina few minutes
[12:09] <jono> hey mako
[12:10] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[12:10] <welshbyte> hey LaserJock
[12:10] <trappist> LaserJock!
[12:10] <mako> apologies
[12:10] <LaserJock> shesh
[12:10] <Seveas> LaserJock, is that the latest shell?
[12:11] <bddebian> hehe
[12:11] <LaserJock> Seveas: yeah, only raging Ubuntu-holic MOTUs get to use it though ;_)
[12:11] <LaserJock> :-) rather
[12:11] <imbrandon> heh


[08:47] <Chipaca> morning!
[09:16] <niemeyer> Hallo!
[10:15] <Chipaca> there's so much neat code in charmhelpers
[11:00] <Facu> Muy buenos días a todos!
[11:32] <Chipaca> Facu: heyy
[11:33] <Facu> Chipaca, holas
[12:07] <Chipaca> niemeyer: could you take another pass at the testing pr? it seems good to go from where i stand
[12:07] <Chipaca> Facu: ditto, wrt docstrings pr
[12:08] <Facu> Chipaca, sure
[12:55]  * Facu is fighting juju error units... not in his charm, but in postgresql!!
[12:57] <Facu> stupid postgresql
[12:57]  * Facu kills the unit and re-deploy
[13:07] <Chipaca> $ make
[13:07] <Chipaca> Please add copyright headers to the following files:
[13:07] <Chipaca> ./.git/logs/refs/remotes/jameinel/document-charm.py
[13:07] <Chipaca> (and so it goes on)
[13:07] <Chipaca> sigh
[13:09] <Facu> Chipaca, not with my branch ;)
[13:31] <Chipaca> late late late late
[14:14] <Chipaca> Facu: 2020-03-12 12:33:05 <Chipaca> Facu: wrt PrefixedEvent (and thanks to Dmitrii-Sh for pointing this out) means you do self.on["dumper"] and you get a PrefixedEvent that has non-prefixed events on it
[14:32] <Chipaca> Facu: that's local time for me, ie GMT
[14:35] <Chipaca> Facu: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2020/03/12/%23smooth-operator.html#t12:23 FWIW
[14:42] <Facu> Chipaca, I missed that, thanks
[15:09] <Facu> Chipaca, so, regarding the change of what an Interface could do to hook into the events through the charm...
[15:09] <Facu> we brought from Frankfurt the idea of doing...
[15:09] <Facu>     mysql_relation_events = charm.on.relation_events_for(mysql_relation_name)
[15:09] <Facu>     self.framework.observe(mysql_relation_events.joined, self._client_joined)
[15:09] <Facu> I changed it a little to be able to not have different methods for the different event types...
[15:09] <Facu>     mysql_relation_events = charm.on.events_for(relation=mysql_relation_name)
[15:09] <Facu>     self.framework.observe(mysql_relation_events.joined, self._client_joined)
[15:09] <Facu> But we really can do this *now*...
[15:09] <Facu>     mysql_events = charm.on[mysql_relation_name]
[15:09] <Facu>     self.framework.observe(mysql_events.relation_joined, self._client_joined)
[15:09] <Facu> So don't know if the change is worthwhile...
[15:10] <Facu> it looks a little weird accesing 'on' as a dictionary
[15:10] <Facu> we totally could add a method 'get_events_for' which is really __getitem__
[15:10] <Facu>     mysql_events = charm.on.get_events_for(mysql_relation_name)
[15:11] <Facu>     self.framework.observe(mysql_events.relation_joined, self._client_joined)
[15:13]  * Facu wonders if he should open an issue about this
[15:20] <Chipaca> Facu: the on being a dictionary-ish thing was a surprise, indeed
[15:20] <Chipaca> sorry, was getting coffee :-)
[15:20] <Chipaca> Facu: how does that appear in documentation?
[15:20] <Chipaca> i'd expect an explicit method to be more obvious
[15:21] <Chipaca> it's also unclear what .keys() or .values() would be used for in this dictionary :-)
[15:22] <Facu> Chipaca, right, it's interesting to define if we *really* want to present it as a proper dict
[15:23] <Chipaca> it has that cool-look-what-i-can-do feeling :-)
[15:24] <Chipaca> Facu: but it'd be interesting to see it in use
[15:29] <Chipaca> Beret: see? it works :-D
[18:13] <Chipaca> whole computer feels sluggish, and on closer inspection the freq is stuck at 800MHz or under
[18:39] <Chipaca> brb going to reboot into an older kernel to see if it's #22 that's breaking the freq
[20:22]  * Facu eods


 `raman@JARVIS:~/phab/globalkeys-pck$ git clone ssh://git@phab.lubuntu.me:2222/source/lxqt-globalkeys.git … Cloning into 'lxqt-globalkeys'... … Warning: Permanently added the ECDSA host key for IP address '[64:ff9b::44b7:6631]:2222' to the list of known hosts. …<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Permission denied (publickey). … fatal: Could
 cannot clone using ssh.
 sorry, been away commuting
 wouldn't it be better to define the config file when running lxqt-globalkesyd ?
 with —config-file=xxxxx
 wxl @tsimonq2 ^
 I'm on 18.04 now, so can't test
 booting my test system now. I will test.
 I will remove every config file and only keep one in /etc/ then use the —config-file option.
 that's what you want me to do?@HMollerCl ?
 @The_LoudSpeaker [raman@JARVIS:~/phab/globalkeys-pck$ git clone ssh://git@phab.lubuntu.me:2222/sou …], any thing for this?
 I'm ot sure I'm understadig well the problem
[00:33] <kc2bez> Check your ssh key
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> Check your ssh key], It's the same that is on phab.
 but what I'be undertand is that upstream use /usr/... and we want to use /etc/...
 is ok?
[00:34] <kc2bez> Upstream code has issue HMollerCl
 @HMollerCl [is ok?], yeah.
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> Check your ssh key], I had copied my ssh key from older install and then run ssh-add to add that to new install.
 should I generate new?
[00:35] <kc2bez> I was able to clone globalkeys via ssh
 ok,so to avoid upstream problem, we could make lxqt-globalkeysd use the config file we want and instead of patching the code, we could defne the config file with —config-file
 I'm not sure if it is doable in a easy way. wxl, @tsimonq2 ??
[00:37] <kc2bez> They claim there should be fix forthcoming soon
 and if it comes we change the way we call lxqt-globalkesyd
[00:40] <kc2bez> There is this upstream issue https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-globalkeys/issues/132
[00:42] <kc2bez> This one that got merged already https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-globalkeys/issues/135
[00:59] <wxl> @HMollerCl the session doesn't use --config-file by default does it? also i'm not sure we want to do that because it may mean global takes precedence over home
[01:02] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker did you add your key on phab itself?
 @wxl [<wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker did you add your key on phab itself?], yeah.
 lite anyways, I created a new one
 and added that.
 worked
 @wxl [<wxl> @HMollerCl the session doesn't use --config-file by default does it? also …], It does not
[01:04] <wxl> @HMollerCl yeah i think that's a much more dangerous route
[01:41] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T75: need new Lenny!] Guephren (Fernando) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T75#2261
 How to enable autologin?
 While installing I had selected to not autologin.
[06:53] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL7048e0ca0247: Add keyboard shortcut to quit ScreenGrab] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL7048e0ca0247
[06:53] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL0038879d2487: Fix capitilization] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL0038879d2487
[11:06] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T75: need new Lenny!] JyotiGomes (Luís Rafael Gomes) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T75#2262
 @The_LoudSpeaker [How to enable autologin?], Is in the manual, I'm on mobile now, can't help more
 @The_LoudSpeaker [How to enable autologin?], You have to edit `/etc/sddm.conf` add `user=USERNAME`
 Here is the chapter in the manual https://manual.lubuntu.me/3/3.1/3.1.9/sddm_configuration.html
 discover is switching its notifier from a plasmoid to a SNI. does lubuntu have its own update notifier now?
 almost
 but it will be good to look at it
 for example, I have some issues regarding some questions when files change during upgrade and don't use debconf.
 update or upgrade, or both?
 Upgrade
 @RikMills ^ that kind of stuff
 @tsimonq2 [/me salts @teward001 for reasons], *returns the salt for other reasons*
[18:31] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL43210cb9d9a5: Add Edit in menu] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL43210cb9d9a5
[19:34] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL17a07bdd5ae9: Add type drop down to ScreenGrab] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL17a07bdd5ae9
[19:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL3d6e52bb8227: Add Delay field to ScreenGrab] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL3d6e52bb8227
 Hello
 Help me please
 (Photo, 1024x768) https://i.imgur.com/XDbvAPp.jpg Many telegram apps
[20:58] <wxl> !support
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