[12:35] <tony-smlr> SMLR is Live now! (8/4/13 @ 8:30am EDT) http://www.youtube.com/embed/NkxPuVs3eXU - Audio: http://live.smlr.us:8000/streaming
[13:53] <rick_h> around around for bookie testing?
[14:36] <rick_h> ouch, rackspace servers aren't cheap.
[14:36]  * rick_h really hopes this is free. Should be nice for bmark.us if it is.
[16:07] <rick_h> ugh, nearly 14min to bring up the server instance
[16:12] <snap-l> morning
[16:12] <snap-l> er afternoon
[16:13] <snap-l> reminder: meeting tonight
[16:13] <snap-l> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-michigan/518/detail/
[16:13] <snap-l> also of note: typed whole thing on my phone hsing mutt
[16:14] <snap-l> like a boss
[16:15] <rick_h> lol
[16:15] <rick_h> not sure if that's cool or crazy
[17:11] <snap-l> A little of both, obviously. :)
[19:17] <greg-g> wait, mutt on your phone?
[19:17] <greg-g> why not just K-9 mail?
[19:18] <rick_h> I'm guessing mutt over ssh
[19:19] <greg-g> weird/insane indeed


[01:41] <gozqb> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:41] <gozqb> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:41] <gozqb> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:41] <gozqb> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:41] <gozqb> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:41] <gozqb> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:41] <gozqb> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:41] <gozqb> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:41] <gozqb> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:41] <gozqb> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:42] <gozqb> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[01:42] <gozqb> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[02:00] <zddzcqtm> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[02:00] <zddzcqtm> Hi all.  It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam.  If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com.  Thanks!
[02:52] <DiegoTc> nhandler, here
[02:53] <DiegoTc> Hi guys
[02:53] <DiegoTc> I will like to request the ubuntu/member cloak
[02:53] <DiegoTc> my lp account is this one https://edge.launchpad.net/~diegoturcios
[02:54] <m4v> jussi01, Pici, topyli, or tsimpson: ^^^
[02:54] <nhandler> jussi01, Pici, topyli, tsimpson: ^^^
[03:00] <m4v> DiegoTc: capaz que están durmiendo, así que quedate conectado por un rato o preguntá en otra hora.
[03:00] <DiegoTc> okay
[03:00] <DiegoTc> gracias m4v
[05:37] <nigel_nb> ops help needed in #ubuntu-women
[05:45] <ubunterd> i am here to discuss my ban from #ubuntu-women
[05:46] <maco> right so, um... why do you think you should not be banned for making sexist comments?
[05:46] <ubunterd> cooking is sexist?
[05:46] <maco> like this?
 you ladies need to stop learning about ubuntu, get in the kitchen and learn how to cook
 quit wasting your time
[05:47] <maco> yes
[05:47] <ubunterd> thats from my POV, i was raised in a traditional family so stop being bigoted about how i was raised
[05:49] <ubunterd> i'm an african-american, i believe your channel is being racist against me
[05:49] <maco> because we can see your race through text?
[05:49] <ubunterd> you can see my "sexism" through my text, i guess you can see my race
[05:52] <maco> Have you read the Code of Conduct, the IRC Guidelines, and the #ubuntu-women channel-specific IRC guidelines?
[05:53] <ubunterd> i was removed from the channel before i got to the reading material because you detected i was an ircer of color
[05:54] <maco> All text on my client is displayed the same. Now, could you please look at the following:
[05:54] <maco> !guidelines
[05:54] <maco> !coc
[05:54] <ubunterd> in your text client, what color is my text displayed as
[05:54] <maco> and http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/IrcGuidelines
[05:56] <ubunterd> im having trouble reading this
[05:59] <ubunterd> do you have your websites in audio format so i can listen to them
[05:59] <ubunterd> i believe your websites are not handicapped accessable
[06:00] <maco> there are screenreaders you can install to read the screen to you
[06:00] <JanC> ubunterd: they are only accessible to human beings, but otherwise nobody is excluded...
[06:00] <maco> i assume you are doing something similar if you are able to handle text-based communication like irc
[06:01] <ubunterd> i have a very low, embarassing reading level
[06:01] <m4v> you seem to be doing fine
[06:01] <maco> we'll wait :)
[06:02] <ubunterd> i've got al sharpton on speed dial, we can get 1000 folks of color to protest the next ubuntu conference
[06:02] <maco> can we convert them into 1000 new contributors?
[06:02] <ubunterd> 1000 colored folks with spears
[06:03] <ubunterd> the term "ubuntu" is racist
[06:03] <ubunterd> stealing from african culture
[06:04] <maco> the distro was started by an African man
[06:04] <maco> now could you focus on reading those guidelines?
[06:04] <maco> instead of chatting?
[06:04] <ubunterd> i axd a question
[06:09] <ubunterd> yo cuz
[06:11] <bazhang> gnome-orca can do that
[06:11] <bazhang> sudo apt-get install gnome-orca
[06:11] <JanC> orca is installed by default
[06:11] <ubunterd> orca what
[06:12] <bazhang> its optional in karmic
[06:12] <ubunterd> whut yall talking bout
[06:12] <bazhang> !info gnome-orca
[06:12] <ubot4> bazhang: gnome-orca (source: gnome-orca): Scriptable screen reader. In component main, is optional. Version 2.28.1-0ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 603 kB, installed size 8504 kB
[06:12] <ubot2> bazhang: gnome-orca (source: gnome-orca): Scriptable screen reader. In component main, is optional. Version 2.28.1-0ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 603 kB, installed size 8504 kB
[06:13] <JanC> bazhang: it's still installed by default  ☺
[06:13] <maco> why are 3 bots responding?
[06:13] <ubunterd> 'sudo' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.
[06:13] <bazhang> ubunterd, if you have reading issues, then install gnome-orca
[06:14] <maco> batch file? sounds like windows...
[06:14] <ubunterd> vista
[06:14] <bazhang> no wonder
[06:15] <JanC> vista has a screenreader installed by default too, so no excuse
[06:15] <bazhang> no real reason to be in #ubuntu channels as far as I can see
[06:16] <ubunterd> ubuntu is my cousin's name
[06:16] <bazhang> aha
[06:16] <ubunterd> yeah
[06:17] <ubunterd> so i see ubuntu-women i think its females hating on my cousin ubuntu
[06:17] <bazhang> ubunterd, the #ubuntu channels are for Ubuntu support
[06:17] <bazhang> ubunterd, nothing to do with your cousin or otherwise
[06:17] <ubunterd> not for my cousin ubuntu?
[06:18] <ubunterd> so whats maco's deal
[06:18] <JanC> ubunterd: when are highschool holidays over where you live?
[06:19] <ubunterd> quit being racist against me since i am a person of color
[06:19] <ubunterd> JanC i do not appreciate your off topic comment
[06:19] <JanC> everybody here has some colour
[06:19] <ubunterd> i have declared i am an african american and you bring up being in high school
[06:19] <ubunterd> are you trying to say i'm a drop out
[06:20] <bazhang> ubunterd, this has nothing to do with your ban in #ubuntu-women
[06:20] <ubunterd> like im telling dominian my cousin's name is ubuntu
[06:20] <ubunterd> i thought it was a chatroom about women who hate my cousin
[06:20] <bazhang> well you were mistaken, and nothing to do with your comments there.
[06:21] <bazhang> !appeals | ubunterd
[06:21] <ubunterd> what comments
[06:21] <bazhang> actually that should be here
[06:21] <ubunterd> im not reading any more links that have my cousin's name in it
[06:21] <bazhang> your choice
[06:23] <ubunterd> just quit using my cousin's name
[06:36] <ubunterd> white bread maco you there
[06:38] <Flannel> ubunterd: Time to move along
[06:39] <ubunterd> you asking me to leave after being racist against me
[06:39] <ubunterd> ya'll folks never cease to amaze me
[06:39] <ubunterd> this is slavery all over again
[06:40] <ubunterd> this is an irc sit in, in honor of the civil rights movement
[06:40] <JanC> ubunterd: you want to be my slave?
[06:40] <garyniger1488> racist crackers
[06:43] <ubunterd> i do not appreciate that comment JanC
[06:44] <ubunterd> what is your number, jesse jackson and al sharpton will be calling you monday morning
[06:45] <ubunterd> yeah trying to shut me up
[06:45] <ubunterd> thats how yall racists work
[06:46] <garyniger1488> fuckin prejuduce assholes
[06:47] <Flannel> garyniger1488: That language isn't called for.
 jussi01, Pici, topyli, or tsimpson: ^^^
 jussi01, Pici, topyli, tsimpson: ^^^
 DiegoTc: capaz que están durmiendo, así que quedate conectado por un rato o preguntá en otra hora.
 okay
[14:45] <DiegoTc>  gracias m4v
[14:45] <DiegoTc> ouch
[14:45] <DiegoTc> sorry
[16:23] <niko> nobody against +R here for a moment ?
[16:25] <bazhang> not me :)
[16:27] <m4v> neither me
[16:40] <erUSUL> o.0!
[16:40] <bazhang> weird
[16:41] <DJones> Would I be right in assuming that the majority if not all of the random character nick's are the spammers?
[16:42] <bazhang> guessing yes
[16:42] <DJones> I thought so, seems to follow the pattern of the last few days
[16:43] <bazhang> the clue is in the (K-lined) exit mode
[16:43] <DJones> good thinking, hadn't noticed that
[16:43] <niko> DJones: most of them clicked on the link above with a browser with javascript enable
[16:44] <niko> so they spam random channel and finish K-lined
[16:46] <DJones> right
[16:47] <DJones> Ah well, reboot time for me
[17:22] <niko> ubottu: member > niko
[19:47] <DiegoTc> ping tsimpson
[19:47] <tsimpson> pong DiegoTc
[19:47] <DiegoTc> tsimpson, I will like to request the ubuntu/member cloak
[19:47] <DiegoTc>  my lp account is this one https://edge.launchpad.net/~diegoturcios
[19:48] <tsimpson> one second please
[19:48] <DiegoTc> okay
[19:51] <tsimpson> nalioth, tomaw, niko or nhandler: please give DiegoTc a cloak
[19:52] <DiegoTc> hahah
[19:52] <DiegoTc> i think they are not here :p
[19:52]  * DiegoTc has a big luck
[19:53] <tsimpson> one will see and activate the cloak, just wait here for a while
[19:55] <DiegoTc> oki doki
[19:55] <niko> cloaked
[19:56] <tsimpson> thanks niko, and congratulations DiegoTc
[19:57] <DiegoTc> thank you
[19:57] <DiegoTc> :D
[20:26] <ubot4> In ubot4, napsy said: !a is <reply> b
[22:32] <ubot2> qense called the ops in #ubuntu-classroom-chat ()
[22:33] <qense> #ubuntu-classroom-chat is hit by a very annoying spam flood
[22:33] <qense> FFEMTcJ has +m the channel for a while now
[22:34] <cjohnston> uggh
[22:34] <qense> or not +m, still spam
[22:34] <qense> now it is +m
[22:37] <qense> It's just being +m'ed every now and then for a few seconds to scare the bots away.
[22:38] <m4v> spanish day is also hit with the spam :(


[01:31] <ubotu> New bug: #50414 in xserver-xorg-input-mouse (main) "Using Belkin Switch Box, mouse and X do not behave" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/50414
[01:48] <ubotu> New bug: #50504 in xorg (main) "changing display resolution in dapper causes crash" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/50504
[02:41] <ubotu> New bug: #106884 in xorg-server (main) "xorg catches signal 11 visiting iPhone pages on apple.com" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106884
[03:29] <ubotu> New bug: #51003 in xserver-xorg-input-keyboard (main) "British keyboard options on Macintosh has no letters." [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/51003
[03:36] <ubotu> New bug: #51089 in xorg-server (main) "Dapper-64 bit UI Freeze, need hard reboot to get out" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/51089
[03:43] <ubotu> New bug: #51284 in xserver-xorg-input-mouse (main) "Trust PS/2 optical mouse not working (light turns off after a while)" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/51284
[03:53] <ubotu> New bug: #51425 in xorg-server (main) "reproducible X restarts involving GdkPixbuf-CRITICAL" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/51425
[04:13] <ubotu> New bug: #52056 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17 (restricted) "login/passwd/ppp updates on 6 july 2006 crash the X server" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/52056
[04:25] <ubotu> New bug: #106894 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "Monitor not capable of full resolution on nvidia card with restricted driver" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106894
[08:35] <ubotu> New bug: #106933 in xorg (main) "1400x1050 compiz trouble with ati driver" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106933
[10:18] <tepsipakki> Mithrandir: is it possible to get x-x-v-intel in feisty after the release? I'd guess it would be impossible to remove -i810-modesetting then?
[10:19] <Mithrandir> after release> no, not really.
[10:21] <Mithrandir> ok, we're fixing this now by swapping them
[10:21] <tepsipakki> hooray :)
[10:22] <tepsipakki> did you get my question yesterday about xorg (uploading only the ATI vendor string fixes, not the workaround for vesa)
[10:23] <Mithrandir> yes, too late, sorry. :-/
[10:23] <tepsipakki> ok
[10:24] <tepsipakki> maybe for SRU?
[10:24] <Mithrandir> the images we have now might well be the final images.
[10:24] <tepsipakki> wow
 I never built x-x-v-intel_1.9.94.. missing header, it should be easy to fix though
[01:43] <tepsipakki> .93 had problems and upstream supposed to fix them by .94 but apparently something is still missing
[01:43] <tepsipakki> I'm on it
[02:06] <ubotu> New bug: #41991 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15 (restricted) "ltmodem use hangs 686 kernel" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/41991
[03:03] <tepsipakki> Mithrandir: new version of the intel-driver built and tested.. the fix was simple, a commit broke one of the Makefile.{am,in}'s
[03:03] <tepsipakki> upstream commit that is
[03:09] <tepsipakki> Mithrandir: a new version uploaded
[04:39] <ubotu> New bug: #105675 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "Nvidia Legacy driver for 7.04, 2.6.20-14-generic" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105675
[05:36] <kylem> tepsipakki, what version are you uploading?
[05:36] <kylem> ah, 1.9.94
[05:39] <ubotu> New bug: #90319 in xorg (main) "cursor redraw lingers" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90319
[05:41] <ubotu> New bug: #106649 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "Restricted-Manager installs older nvidia-glx package (not -new)" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106649
[06:21] <ubotu> New bug: #107030 in libxcomposite (main) "Desktop efects doesn't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107030
[07:13] <ubotu> New bug: #106518 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "update-manager error installing nvidia-glx" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106518
[08:06] <ubotu> New bug: #107056 in xserver-xorg-video-i810 (main) "Xserver crash when starting OpenOffice on dual-screen laptop" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107056
[09:03] <ubotu> New bug: #107063 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17 (restricted) "remotely exploitable bug in MadWifi Atheros driver" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107063
[09:06] <ubotu> New bug: #99737 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "3d crashes with 2.6.20 and nvidia 1.0-97xx" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99737
[10:06] <ubotu> New bug: #52750 in xkeyboard-config (main) "missing symbols < > in German keyboard layout" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/52750
[10:07] <ubotu> New bug: #52632 in xserver-xorg-input-mouse (main) "PS2 2 butotn doesnt work on IBM A20M laptop with 6.06" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/52632
[10:11] <ubotu> New bug: #32191 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15 (restricted) "display errors - distorted lines" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/32191
[10:30] <ubotu> New bug: #107084 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "nvidia-glx-legacy does not work with 386 kernels" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107084
[10:59] <ubotu> New bug: #106895 in xorg (main) "error running install command for nvidia with 2.6.20-15" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106895
[11:25] <ubotu> New bug: #106906 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "nvidia drivers wont work after upgrade to feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106906
[11:27] <ubotu> New bug: #106632 in xorg (main) "Only 640x480 resolution found after update" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106632


[01:36] <WhoAmi00> Hey guys
[01:36] <WhoAmi00> does letsencrypt TLS cert works with postfix
[01:36] <WhoAmi00> i'm using it but gmail shows that messages are not encrypted
[01:36] <WhoAmi00> does the problem in my configuration or we need a S/MIME cert to avoid the red lock on google
[01:36] <WhoAmi00> please help
[01:36] <sarnold> does gmail provide any details about which specific server contacting them wasn't using starttls?
[01:37] <sarnold> are you confident your server is contacting gmail's servers directly?
[01:37] <WhoAmi00> i'm using openssl to send message to my gmail account
[01:37] <sarnold> does tcpdump or wireshark show plaintext or encrypted?
[01:37] <sarnold> ahhhh
[01:37] <WhoAmi00> openssl s_client -connect <IP_ADDRESS>:465
[01:37] <sarnold> oh
[01:37] <sarnold> that's still just to your server
[01:37] <WhoAmi00> i want to know does we need a
[01:38] <WhoAmi00> S/MIME cert for that
[01:38] <WhoAmi00> or the problem is in my configuration
[01:38] <sarnold> no, almost no one uses s/mime, google wouldn't make any headway if they wanted to force that :)
[01:38] <sarnold> the little red broken lock icon is when the last SMTP server that talks to google doesn't use STARTTLS when negotiating an ESMTP connection
[01:39] <WhoAmi00> so why it shows that the message are not encrypted ?!
[01:39] <WhoAmi00> i have reinstall everything
[01:39] <WhoAmi00> this time i have reinstalled the OS
[01:39] <WhoAmi00> and installed only postfix and letsencrypt
[01:39] <WhoAmi00> with default configuration still nothing
[01:41] <nicola> hj
[02:57] <RustyShackleford> how do you back up private keys?
[02:58] <RustyShackleford> do you only keep one copy? It would be pretty bad if you lost it
[06:48] <cpaelzer_> jamespage: do you know of any changes to the 2.6 ovs that forces one to configure differently?
[06:48] <cpaelzer_> jamespage: the way I used to connect my guests no more gets them out to the network
[06:49] <cpaelzer_> used libvirt to set them up with a openvswitch type network and a refernce to that in the guest xml
[06:49] <cpaelzer_> the device still appears, but it seemt to have no connection
[06:50] <cpaelzer_> the host reports the status of the ovs bridge as it did in the past
[06:50] <cpaelzer_> jamespage: just let me know if you are aware of any to-be-expected changes that have to be done differently
[06:50] <cpaelzer_> btw - no dpdk involved yet
[07:06] <thekrynn> does anyone know why the find command might be brutally slow when used on a directory over NFS as compared to locally on the machine that's hosting it
[07:07] <cpaelzer_> thekrynn: find mostly does read metadata on the fs which is mostly from memory on the local system
[07:08] <cpaelzer_> thekrynn: it can't be fully from memory on a NFS setup, so you get network latencies in between which are >>> memory latencies
[07:09] <thekrynn> yuck.. so it almost makes more sense doing a find and making the file list locally on the machine and grabbing that remotely via NFS instead?
[07:12] <hateball> or use some sort of indexing
[07:15] <cpaelzer_> jamespage: I'm dropping the breadcrumbs I found while debugging here - you let me know if anything rings a bell (other than my IRC messages in your chat lcient)
[07:16] <cpaelzer_> jamespage: it seems that the host network interface that is connected to the OVS is "down" on yakkety
[07:16] <cpaelzer_> jamespage: on Xenial something brought it up (as least I didn't before)
[07:16] <cpaelzer_> jamespage: I upped the ext interface on the host which got it doing "something" at least
[07:16] <cpaelzer_> jamespage: killing all outstanding dhcp processes and starting a fresh one gave me networking
[07:17]  * cpaelzer_ goes stop/starting the guest to see what survives
[07:17] <cpaelzer_> oh I have a _
[07:17] <cpaelzer> better
[07:34] <cpaelzer> jamespage: well, that was it - the device in the host seems no more to be default up in my Yakkety
[07:35] <jamespage> cpaelzer, is this the port connected to the outside world?
[07:35] <cpaelzer> jamespage: yes
[07:35] <cpaelzer> jamespage: in the past it was always up by default it seems - at least I never had to do anything
[07:35] <jamespage> cpaelzer, its always been dependent on the OS to up the interface - ovs won't ever do that
[07:35] <jamespage> ip link set <interface> up
[07:35] <cpaelzer> jamespage: sure, that is what I added
[07:35] <jamespage> maybe the switch to networkd ?
[07:35] <cpaelzer> jamespage: yeah, something like that might be the root cause
[07:36] <cpaelzer> jamespage: I already checked, but it is neither libvirts task when starting the network
[07:36] <cpaelzer> jamespage: it doesn't know the ext port to be added later
[07:36] <cpaelzer> jamespage: so as you say it is OS/Admins task - I was just in the pitfall of this being different now
[07:36]  * cpaelzer is now out of the pit and ready for the next
[10:29] <Drecondius> hellooooooooo, I have this really weird issue that makes no sense to me at all, I can log into my machine through ssh with no problem at all. but when I hook up a monitor and keyboard to the physical machine i have no access, just a blank screen, do i need to remove the ssh server and just leave client on it or did I goof something up bad?
[10:30] <Drecondius> btdubs, my google-fu is rusty and needs some work i'll readily admit, but I'm stumped, and so is google.
[10:31] <ducasse> Drecondius: what kind of gpu?
[10:32] <Drecondius> onboard
[10:32] <ducasse> Drecondius: intel?
[10:32] <Drecondius> intel i believe, the catch is I have display when running the installer
[10:33] <Drecondius> and I'm ssh'd into my machine right now, but if I run team  viewer or go turn on the monitor and bang 30 or so keys there still isn't a login prompt
[10:33] <ducasse> Drecondius: not sure. do you see boot messages or just the grub menu?
[10:33] <Drecondius> no messages
[10:34] <Drecondius> i do catch the loading screen on occasion
[10:34] <Drecondius> but it's the splash screen after it loads the system, it's like the gpu is turned off almost
[10:35] <Drecondius> but I can go in there and boot my usb with the server installer on it and have full (relative term here) video
[10:36] <ducasse> Drecondius: edit /etc/default/grub, replace 'quiet splash' with 'text'. then run update-grub and reboot.
[10:39] <Drecondius> back in a moment
[10:40] <Drecondius> so the quiet splash was interfering with the framebuffer?
[10:44] <ducasse> Drecondius: tbh, i'm just guessing what causes this, but i had the same problem on my home file server :)
[10:47] <Drecondius> Which brings me to another question, How can i setup this server to accept ftp transfers?
[10:48] <Drecondius> run a samba daemon?
[10:48] <Drecondius> or something easier lol
[10:48] <Drecondius> lemme check first
[10:49] <ducasse> Drecondius: for ftp you need an ftp daemon, but consider sftp instead
[12:08] <cpaelzer> jamespage: are you also pushing OVS 2.5.1 into xenial since it was release along
[12:09] <cpaelzer> jamespage: and if so if you want a verify of the DPDK bits against a ppa let me know where you have it
[12:09] <cpaelzer> well atm I'd need to redeploy my test system to xenial for that
[12:09] <cpaelzer> but I expect that we rush all yakkety things first and then you'll get to 2.5.1 right?
[13:30] <jamespage> coreycb, ddellav: swift 2.10.0 release 2 days ago
[13:32] <coreycb> jamespage, I'll get that, ironic, and any new rc2's today
[13:32] <jamespage> coreycb, super
[13:32] <jamespage> thanks
[13:32] <jamespage> coreycb, I did networking-ovn and I'm about to tidy vmware-nsx as well
[13:32] <coreycb> jamespage, awesome
[14:11] <crazyadm> im using ubuntu server
[14:12] <crazyadm> is there a command line torrent downloader that works with magnet
[14:22] <ducasse> crazyadm: ask in #ubuntu, better chance of answer
[14:25] <dlloyd> deluge
[14:28] <crazyadm> deluge is cmi?
[14:28] <crazyadm> i don't have gui
[14:29] <dlloyd> there is a deluge-cli package iirc
[14:29] <dlloyd> deluge-console
[14:32] <ddellav> rtorrent
[14:32] <ddellav> though i don't know about magnet
[15:08] <nacc> coreycb: iirc, you said you had a handle on the cinder ftbfs (http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs/test-rebuild-20160916-yakkety.html#ubuntu-server) -- do you also have fixes en-route for nova and nova-lxd?
[15:13] <coreycb> nacc, thanks for the nudge. I'll handle those.
[15:13] <nacc> coreycb: thank you!
[16:01] <coreycb> beisner, python-novaclient was just accepted into xenial-proposed with the fix for bug 1559072
[16:14] <jamespage> bug 1608934
[16:30] <rattking> Hello does anyone have any experience using syslog-ng on 16.04? I am finding that the kernel boot messages are not being logged in syslog-ng, and if I add /proc/kmsg as a source the log lines from boot come in out of order with other log messages
[16:43] <patdk-wk> rattking, likely a systemd issue
[16:44] <rattking> lol yeah.. I had a feeling like it had something to do with journald
[17:01] <coreycb> nacc, for the nova and nova-lxd ftbfs, the new versions in -proposed will fix those
[17:02] <nacc> coreycb: great, thanks for following up
[17:02] <coreycb> nacc, np
[17:02] <nacc> jgrimm: --^ making slow and steady progress then, i think we're down to 10-11 total
[17:02] <jgrimm> nacc great!
[17:27] <km0rz> Hello everyone, just dipping my toes into Linux for the first time in a lab at home. I'm currently trying to get internal DNS configured on ubuntu-16.04.1 server, so far I've got it resolving the one internal "lab" zone i created. What i was wondering is it possible for it to reply authoritatively for the one zone i've configured, but forward on all other DNS requests externally?
[17:34] <electriclewis> yes
[17:35] <electriclewis> I find easiest way to configure DNS for home is to use webmin
[17:35] <genii> !webmin
[17:35] <genii> ...just FYI
[17:36] <electriclewis> ouch
[17:36] <electriclewis> what should I use instead?
[17:39] <km0rz> I was reading that I should be able to do a "Hybrid" mode, where i can host primary zones but also forward
[17:39] <km0rz> but when i turned on forwarders my one primary zone that was working, stopped
[17:47] <electriclewis> OK, so apparently webmin was bad in 2008 but since 2012 it's fine with Debian and Ubuntu.  Is this wrong?
[17:56] <beisner> coreycb, tyvm
[18:07] <Walex> electriclewis: it has improved a lot, but I prefer non-graphical configuration
[18:12] <electriclewis> Walex I do for most things too, but DNS files are a PITA
[18:14] <patdk-wk> why would you touch a dns file?
[18:14] <patdk-wk> what is a dns file?
[18:21] <coreycb> ddellav, jamespage: I just uploaded a bunch of rc2's for newton as well as new swift, ironic, and synced python-swiftclient
[20:13] <ThePentester> anyone with experince in mailing ?!
[20:21] <Gorian> I have a lot of experience in receiving mail
[20:21] <Gorian> both physical AND virtual
[20:27] <jgrimm> nacc, can you kindly nominate 1611923/pythond-django for xenial?
[20:28] <nacc> ack
[20:28] <jgrimm> thanks!
[20:29] <nacc> jgrimm: i think your update was meant to go against the original description, though?
[20:29] <jgrimm> nacc, doh, thanks
[20:29] <nacc> jgrimm: np, task opened btw
[22:13] <Ussat> https://www.agwa.name/blog/post/how_to_crash_systemd_in_one_tweet
[22:14] <OerHeks> Ussat, oef, ugly one.
[22:15] <OerHeks> Did you verify?
[22:15] <Ussat> yup
[22:15] <Ussat> RHEL, Cent and Ubuntu 16.04 LTS system
[22:15] <Ussat> all verified on
[22:15] <OerHeks> lets wait for reactions here :-)
[22:16] <Ussat> fortunatelt my systems locked down pretty tight, but still
[22:16] <OerHeks> maybe worth a bugreport, i am looking for simular now.
[22:17] <Ussat> because, ya know, everything should run as 1 pid
[22:17] <Ussat> ...
[22:17] <OerHeks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1628687
[22:17] <OerHeks> thank you for reporting, Ussat , maybe you can confirm this one.
[22:18] <Ussat> its the same
[22:18] <OerHeks> then 'affects 1 person will be 2.
[22:19] <Ussat> That is the same bug
[22:20] <OerHeks> Oh you are already on it?
[22:20] <Ussat> I saw that earlier is all
[22:26] <OerHeks> hmm even as non-root user.
[22:26] <tomreyn> is thit is cross-user then it's a security vulnerability (denial of service) and should be tagges security
[22:26] <tomreyn> *tagged
[22:27] <tomreyn> which should then get it the attention it (then) deserves
[22:27] <tomreyn> *if this
[22:28] <tomreyn> sorry about the spelling ;)
[22:32] <OerHeks> CVE is requested now.
[22:33] <tomreyn> i just realized
[22:43] <OerHeks> "It is unfortunate that this was not handled using a 'responsible disclosure' process. "  true, this channel is logged :-(


[00:27]  * bigjools waves at roaksoax
[01:15] <roaksoax> bigjools: here
[01:16] <bigjools> roaksoax: howdy
[01:16] <roaksoax> bigjools: howdy!
[01:16] <bigjools> just seeing where we're at with that filtering bug on imports?
[01:16] <roaksoax> bigjools: huh?
[01:16] <bigjools> https://launchpad.net/bugs/1240215
[01:17] <bigjools> I wasn't sure if it needed more work or if the simplstreams library fix helped
[01:17] <roaksoax> bigjools: well I was thinking it might be easy to fix provided that we split('/')
[01:17] <roaksoax> bigjools: no I don't think it is the simplestreams stuff
[01:17] <roaksoax> smoser: ^^
[01:17] <bigjools> ok
[01:18] <bigjools> we're all deep fixing the multi-environ thing at the moment
[01:19] <roaksoax> bigjools: ok i'll see what i can do with the ephemerals stuff
[01:31] <roaksoax> bigjools: this fixes it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6243363/
[01:36] <bigjools> roaksoax: nice.  Add a test and I'll approve it.
[02:01] <smoser> roaksoax, i replied to that MP
[02:01] <smoser> but you also have to consider '/highbank' might be in there.
[02:01] <smoser> you might as well do somethign like:
[02:02] <roaksoax> smoser: there's something further down for highbank
[02:02] <smoser> i dont thinkt hat covers it
[02:03] <smoser> ' '.join([f.split("/")[0] for f in legacy_config.get('ARCHES', '').split()])
[02:03] <smoser> something like that maybe
[02:09] <roaksoax> smoser: yeah that works! thakns!
[02:18] <roaksoax> bigjools: https://code.launchpad.net/~andreserl/maas/fix_lp1240215/+merge/191327
[02:18] <roaksoax> smoser: ^^
[02:19] <roaksoax> bigjools: all yours. Im gonna patch the mpackage and upload
[02:19] <bigjools> roaksoax: looks ok I'll approve
[02:19] <bigjools> roaksoax: there's another fix landed recently to support multi-environs
[02:19] <bigjools> can you take that too?
[02:19] <roaksoax> bigjools: what's the rev?
[02:19] <bigjools> fixes
[02:19] <roaksoax> bigjools: rev's and bug number please :)
[02:20] <bigjools> roaksoax: see branches attached to https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1239488
[02:21] <bigjools> r1708, 1709, 1710 basically
[02:21] <roaksoax> bigjools: are all of those the actual fixes?
[02:21] <roaksoax> bigjools: i mean
[02:21] <roaksoax> final fixes?
[02:22] <roaksoax> no more fixes for that bug?
[02:22] <bigjools> roaksoax: I think so - the rest of the fixes are in juju
[02:22] <roaksoax> ok cool
[02:22] <bigjools> roaksoax: also see 1707, bug 1228085
[02:23] <bigjools> possibly bug 1190986
[02:23] <bigjools> not *critical* though
[02:23] <roaksoax> bigjools: yeah.. that's the thing...
[02:23] <bigjools> bug 1238376
[02:24] <bigjools> you got that one I think
[02:24] <roaksoax> bigjools: yeah so only the critical bugs will get in
[02:24] <roaksoax> there's 4 fixes, already
[02:24] <roaksoax> and the multienvironment
[02:24] <roaksoax> is 3 patches
[02:24] <bigjools> yep
[02:24] <roaksoax> not sure that the release team will be happy about that
[02:24] <roaksoax> smoser: ^^
[02:24] <bigjools> you can merge three into one
[02:24] <bigjools> they're consecutive
[02:25] <roaksoax> bigjools: yeah
[02:25] <bigjools> I can't see why they would be unhappy to take critical fixes
[02:25] <bigjools> I'd be fucking ecstatic
[02:26] <roaksoax> bigjools: one day before release... whgen the ISO isprobably read already?
[02:26] <roaksoax> bigjools: which would cause an ISO re-spin
[02:26] <roaksoax> i don't think they'll be happy
[02:26] <bigjools> it's not on the iso though is it?
[02:26] <bigjools> oh server iso
[02:26] <bigjools> ok
[02:26] <bigjools> 0-day fix it is :)
[02:27] <roaksoax> bigjools: yeah, so the ephemeral stuff is important for the ISO
[02:27] <bigjools> ok
[02:27] <bigjools> well apparently the cloud-installer would take much longer without this fix
[02:27] <roaksoax> bigjools: this is what I have so far: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6243516/
[02:28] <bigjools> roaksoax: and you need the multi-env one
[02:28] <roaksoax> yep
[02:28] <bigjools> ~400 lines though :/
[02:29] <roaksoax> bigjools: ahh
[02:29] <roaksoax> bigjools: then release team *wont* be happy
[02:29] <bigjools> dunno why they would get unhappy about the size, it is either critical or it isn't
[02:30] <roaksoax> bigjools: yeah i think i know how to approach taht one
[02:30] <roaksoax> bigjools: let me know when you approve the ephemeral fix plz
[02:30] <bigjools> done
[02:34] <roaksoax> bigjools: the fixes for juju don't look so bad.. since I only take the actual patch and not the changes in the test
[02:35] <bigjools> roaksoax: yeah I have one more fix coming for juju
[02:35] <bigjools> working on it right now
[02:35] <roaksoax> bigjools: ok
[02:35] <roaksoax> alright
[02:35] <roaksoax> i'll be back later then
[02:35] <bigjools> thanks roaksoax
[02:35] <bigjools> remind me to buy you a beer next week :)
[02:36] <roaksoax> lol will do
[02:36] <roaksoax> bigjools: remind me to make you drink lots of pisco :P
[02:36] <bigjools> roaksoax: I can't drink at the moment :(
[02:36] <roaksoax> boomer
[03:33] <roaksoax> bigjools: how's the fix looking?
[03:33] <bigjools> roaksoax: slow .... this is Go after all
[03:33] <roaksoax> heh
[03:33] <bigjools> nearly there
[03:33] <bigjools> well,  nearly ish
[03:33] <roaksoax> bigjools: i might have to get that package uploaded tomorrow then
[03:33] <roaksoax> cause I'm about to die
[03:34] <roaksoax> unless we do sru
[03:34] <bigjools> roaksoax: yeah it won't get done in the next hour :/
[03:35] <roaksoax> bigjools: so my take is this, I can upload a new maas package with the fixes, and tomorrow, i make another upload which willk most likely be as a 0day sru
[03:35] <roaksoax> unless they can process it
[03:36] <bigjools> roaksoax: ok
[03:36] <bigjools> that's the best we can hope for then
[03:37] <roaksoax> bigjools: yeah cause eitherway I don't think they will process the upload today
[03:37] <roaksoax> bigjools: but at least I ensure that the fixes up until now are uplaoded
[03:38] <roaksoax> and easier to negotiate on getting them released
[03:38] <bigjools> roaksoax: great
[06:32] <bigjools> roaksoax: my juju change landed on trunk
[07:51] <gnuoy> I'm doing a fresh deployment with juju on a MaaS cluster. I can bootstrap the juju env fine using a tag to specify the bootstrap node but when I try and deploy a charm I don;t see any physical servers getting allocated in the maas UI and after a minute os so juju reports "error: cannot run instances: gomaasapi: got error back from
[07:51] <gnuoy>       server: 409 CONFLICT" as the agent state info for the new machine
[07:53] <gnuoy> I have 16 servers in the Ready state using juju-core  1.16 and maas 1.2+bzr1373+dfsg-0ubuntu1~12.04.2
[07:54] <gnuoy> Not sure if this is relevant but all the machine have a manual tag and I'm not specifying a tag constraint  to juju at the moment
[07:56] <gnuoy> I'll try removing a tag and trying again
[07:57] <bigjools> gnuoy: I think the tag for bootstrapping gets applied by default in juju
[08:00] <gnuoy> hi bigjools, looking in the maas.log I see "NodesNotAvailable: No matching node is available". So if all machines have a tag and you try to deploy a charm without specifying tag is refusing to allocate a machine the desired behaviour ? I'm trying to think if that makes sense
[08:01] <gnuoy> By not specifying a tag constraint with juju are you saying "This can go anywhere I don't care" or are you saying "This can only go to machines which haven't been preallocated with a tag"
[08:03] <bigjools> gnuoy: it uses the constraints from the bootstrap node IIRC
[08:03] <bigjools> so if you put a tag on it then it expects all machines to have that tag
[08:03] <bigjools> did you say all the machines have that tag?
[08:04] <bigjools> sorry I have to run - try asking in the juju-dev channel
[08:04] <bigjools> back later
[08:04] <gnuoy> bigjools, ok, thanks.
[10:10] <jamespage> bigjools, still around? I need to understand which MAAS bugs are still outstanding for Saucy
[10:10] <jamespage> and which ones we must land pre-release (i.e. it matters if they are on the ISO)
[10:11] <jamespage> allenap, maybe you can help with that if bigjools is eod?
[10:11] <bigjools> jamespage: I am EOD but I can help
[10:11] <jamespage> bigjools, marvellous!
[10:11] <bigjools> I did give a list to roaksoax earlier
[10:12] <jamespage> yeah - I was just looking through those
[10:12] <bigjools> bug 122805
[10:12] <bigjools> ummm
[10:12] <bigjools> bug 1228085
[10:13] <bigjools> bug 1238376
[10:13] <bigjools> bug 1239488
[10:13] <bigjools> bug 1240215
[10:14] <jamespage> bigjools, ok so bug 1238376 got patched in
[10:14] <bigjools> cool
[10:15] <jamespage> ditto bug 1240215
[10:15] <bigjools> I saw roaksoax made a patch for everything except 1239488
[10:15] <bigjools> that's a big one
[10:15] <jamespage> I think bug 1239488 and bug 1228085 are still outstanding
[10:16] <jamespage> bigjools, i guess this is related to bug 1229275
[10:16] <bigjools> rvba: is https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1228085 fixed?
[10:17] <rvba> bigjools: yes
[10:17] <bigjools> jamespage: that one is all done actually I marked the maas task as fixed
[10:17] <bigjools> rvba: uh why does it say triaged?
[10:17] <rvba> bigjools: someone forgot to flip the switch.
[10:17] <bigjools> jamespage: sorry to be clear, bug 1239488 is all done
[10:18] <jamespage> bigjools, landed in maas but not yet in distro right?
[10:18] <bigjools> jamespage: right
[10:18] <jamespage> bigjools, and there is an associated juju-core fix I need to pull for that as well I think
[10:19] <bigjools> jamespage: correct- but that ones a little complicated because after Gavin and I landed branches, they wanted to change something again
[10:19] <bigjools> so talk to roger peppe
[10:19] <jamespage> I am
[10:19] <bigjools> tip top
[10:19]  * bigjools has the Norfolk lingo down pat
[10:21] <bigjools> jamespage: ok anything else?
[10:24] <jamespage> bigjools, I thinks thats OK for now - thanks for the help
[10:24] <jamespage> (I was being asked in #ubuntu-release)
[14:37] <jpds> How does one find out which tests failed for a machine in MAAS?
[15:32] <jpds> roaksoax: Would you know? ↑
[15:35] <roaksoax> jpds: the webui should show which failed
[15:36] <jpds> I see a 02-maas-virtuality.
[15:37] <roaksoax> jpds: 2 out of 5?
[15:38] <jpds> roaksoax: Yes.
[15:44] <roaksoax> jpds: so that's probably the one that failed
[15:44] <roaksoax> jpds: you can get into the image and debug
[15:44] <roaksoax> jpds: https://lists.launchpad.net/maas-devel/msg00808.html
[15:45] <jpds> roaksoax: Is there anything in the docs about debugging?
[15:45] <roaksoax> jpds: yes
[17:02] <jpds> roaksoax: And got it to work, helps if I give them a proxy so they can get to the internet.
[17:07] <roaksoax> jpds:  yep :)
[19:25] <allenap> smoser: Ought there to be a lock around critical parts of maas-import-pxe-files too?
[19:27] <smoser> allenap, i suppose probably. i have not really thought about that.
[19:28] <allenap> smoser: I'll look into doing it. Do you think this is a critical bug?
[19:29] <smoser> allenap, well i'm not sure how matsubara hit it
[19:29] <smoser> its trivial to lock such things
[19:29] <smoser> i pointed at the apparently "correct" way to do it in celery
[19:29] <smoser> but you could just do it below celery with 'run-one' in ubuntu (although that is in universe).
[19:31] <allenap> smoser: That's a good solution, but unfortunately it means pulling in django on the clusters, which I'd rather avoid.
[19:31] <matsubara> smoser, allenap: I tried maas-import-pxe-files with run-one but it didn't work: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/view/MAAS/job/saucy-adt-maas-manual/ARCH=amd64,label=lenovo-RD230-01/113/console, I guess you meant running import_ephemerals.py with run-one then?
[19:31] <matsubara> allenap, and the qa-lab-tests found that bug. sometimes the tests pass but more often than not it hits the checksum error
[19:31] <allenap> run-one also uses the whole command line when considering locks, iirc, but we want to restrict anything in the datadir.
[19:32] <allenap> matsubara: It's great they hit it. Did it take a lot of work from there to figuring it out?
[19:32] <matsubara> yes
[19:32] <smoser> allenap, oh. i didn't know.
[19:33] <matsubara> allenap, annoyingly yes, specially because I thought initially the problem was with the proxy, so wasted a lot of time checking that squid was doing what it was supposed to be doing
[19:33] <smoser> allenap, i dont know *why* they hit it ghouth.
[19:33] <matsubara> allenap, and the qa-lab-tests had horrible debug output when maas-import-pxe-files fails (which is now fixed by a another branch of mine)
[19:34] <matsubara> so it was painful but I think it'll turn out to improve the quality of the tests at least
[19:49] <matsubara> allenap, if you have a fix, I can help test it in the qa lab
[19:50] <allenap> matsubara: I'm looking at that now.
[19:50] <matsubara> allenap, thank you
[20:14] <adam_g> after updating MAAS to 1.4+bzr1693+dfsg-0ubuntu2~ctools,  'juju status' giving me: ERROR TLS handshake failed: x509: certificate signed by unknown authority 1.
[20:14] <adam_g> any ideas?
[20:52] <roaksoax> adam_g: nope, but the updates do not mess with juju sections at all.... unless related to the bson issue... but that';s weird either way
[20:52] <roaksoax> bigjools: ^^
[21:59] <adam_g> roaksoax, hmm must have been something unrelated. cleared ~/.juju/environments and its working again.. but now it seems IPMI stopped :|
[22:02] <adam_g> roaksoax, hmm. nvm. looked like celery wasn't connected properly
[22:05] <roaksoax> adam_g: hehe ok :)
[22:53] <bigjools> roaksoax: did a newer version get uploaded with the patch for multi-envs?
[22:53] <roaksoax> bigjools: nope
[22:53] <bigjools> roaksoax: SRU then?
[22:53] <roaksoax> bigjools: we determined that's not release critical
[22:54] <roaksoax> bigjools: yep
[22:54] <roaksoax> bigjools: i'll upload tomorrow and bug for it to get in tomorro
[22:54] <bigjools> it's release day here!
[22:55] <bigjools> sadly, my desktop is riddled with problems :(
[22:56] <roaksoax> bigjools: he,... mine running smoothly
[22:56] <bigjools> I currently have an awful unstoppable noise coming from the speaker... brb, rebooting
[22:57] <bigjools> ah better
[23:38] <bigjools> roaksoax: fyi http://maas.ubuntu.com/docs/changelog.html
[23:38] <bigjools> argh
[23:38] <bigjools> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1240570


[16:41] <brendand> hey, anyone here can help me undo the mess i made of my projects trunk?
[16:42] <brendand> i accidentally pushed an unmerged branch to it, then in my panic i uncommited and did a push --overwrite
[16:43] <brendand> the branch in question is lp:ubuntu-system-tests
[16:47] <fullermd> In general?  Probably not easily.  In specific?  Maybe fairly easily, if you know where trunk was, rev-wise.
[16:51] <brendand> lets assume i don't know right now, any way i can find out?
[16:53] <fullermd> Locally, via heads.  It _probably_ works remotely, but I'll bet it's unbelievable slow and beats the snot out of the network and server.
[16:54] <fullermd> If you had an up to date trunk locally, I'd start there.
[16:58] <brendand> i don't think i did - at least heads is not being very helpful. it just shows one revision
[16:58] <brendand> tried:
[16:58] <brendand> bzr heads lp:~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-system-tests/trunk
[16:58] <brendand> bzr: ERROR: Server sent an unexpected error: ('error', 'TypeError', "_makeBranchTransport() got an unexpected keyword argument 'private'")
[16:58] <brendand> it was indeed private at one point
[16:59] <brendand> but long before the mistake
[17:00] <fullermd> You probably want heads --dead.
[17:00] <fullermd> It may be that stacking or something else LP does internally makes heads not work over a transport to it.
[17:03] <brendand> is there a way i can copy what's on launchpad locally? this doesn't seem to work
[17:04] <brendand> even with --dead-only
[17:04] <fullermd> You'd need to copy the whole repository.  There's probably a way to do it API-wise, but I'm pretty sure there isn't UI-wise.


[06:20] <lordievader> Good morning.
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[14:00] <akiva-thinkpad> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22327/intro-by-michael-hall-keynote-by-rick-spencer/  come join; the online summit is just starting
[15:04] <akiva-thinkpad> hey come join the uos for testing unity 8
[15:21] <BluesKaj> akiva-thinkpad,  no thanks , strictly KDE here
[15:22] <akiva-thinkpad> BluesKaj, there is a kde session later today I think
[15:22] <akiva-thinkpad> You should definitely join that blues
[15:35] <BluesKaj> been to too many meetings in my life, not a fan since mostly they're non participatory so basically a waste of time productivity - wise
[15:40] <penguin42> that's the advantage of doing stuff remotely; you can get on while they happen


 Kubuntu vs KDE neon @ahoneybun
 I'm thinking of formatting one more time for a switch to neon
 Mm
 @AdamOutler @KMyers https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shape_extension
 This looks cool
[15:50] <maxolasersquad> ++
 Why?  Why would that be a thing instead of constraint to a box with alpha?
[22:11] <floridagram-bot> Joan Brooks was added by: Joan Brooks
 Welcome Joan


[07:14] <bernwithane> hey gang, im trying to install ubuntu touch on my google pixel 2. UBports isnt working and im having some difficulty. does anyone have a solid resource for me to check out?


[04:29] <Omnifrog|laptop> woof. back home. halfway unpacked. school bus gets here in 6 hours
[10:20] <wrst> Omnifrog|pond: glad you made it back safely


[13:36] <yemanja> hello all, i'm a web and ui designer on open-source.
[13:36] <yemanja> I want to help ubuntu project :)
[13:36] <yemanja> (and i'm bad in writing english)
[13:58] <Equiet> yemanja: Hi. Do you have any showcase of your work?
[14:00] <yemanja> yes, i have not yet a professionnal webiste but here is my little playground http://lestitescasesdessinesdelili.blogspot.com/ and http://www.kameleoon.com/ a recent work.
[14:00] <Equiet> And, as others would say, look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork for more info. Canonical has its own designer team, we are creating themes and wallpapers.
[14:01] <yemanja> ok :) thanks for the link
[14:01] <Equiet> Well, that's not so bad.
[14:03] <yemanja> thanks
[14:03] <Equiet> I guess http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_d6ohzpwd2R0/S12G8brRo0I/AAAAAAAAAv4/NSJZtSu1Ehw/s1600-h/dev02.png is a hand painting, right?
[14:04] <yemanja> yes
[14:04] <Equiet> I haven't done any yet. :(
[14:05] <Equiet> What's your age if I could ask?
[14:05] <yemanja> 31 years
[14:06] <Equiet> Is this your work http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_d6ohzpwd2R0/SqAgGh-PwuI/AAAAAAAAAjI/5Yx0wrlEGqs/S1600-R/menina.png ?
[14:06] <yemanja> yes it's me ^^
[14:07] <Equiet> Very nice.
[14:07] <yemanja> all done with pen and inkscape
[14:07] <yemanja> thanks
[14:07] <yemanja> leggs are too longer :/
[14:08] <Equiet> Wait for thorwil or vish for more info, I'm a newbie here.
[14:09] <yemanja> ok
[14:10] <yemanja> all artist on ubuntu are good as jimmac ?
[14:11] <Equiet> Can't say, I have not seen much work.
[14:12] <yemanja> ok
[14:17] <vish> yemanja: hi..
[14:17] <yemanja> hi vish
[14:18] <vish> yemanja: have you checked the artwork wiki page? usually the Ubuntu artwork is done in-house by Canonical folks
[14:19] <vish> yemanja: we can do the community artwork , the wiki lists the on-going projects where you can help out
[14:19] <yemanja> yes i have read some pages. Oh all are employed by canonical, none was for the fun ?
[14:19] <vish> no.. :) Canonical has a design team
[14:19] <yemanja> ah ok
[14:21] <vish> yemanja: you can also join the artwork mailing list , people discuss the artwork and sometimes the Canonical design team asks for suggestion via the mailing list
[14:22] <yemanja> ok, why not
[14:33] <yemanja> i supposed i'm not welcom on your channel work vish ?
[14:34] <vish> yemanja: i didnt understand ^  ?
[14:34] <yemanja> all people here are working for canonical ?
[14:34] <vish> nooo
[14:35] <yemanja> ok :)
[14:40] <vish> yemanja: hmm , oddly in this >  menina.png , i think the torso is too long ;)
[14:40] <vish> it could be a tad shorter
[14:42] <yemanja> ok ^^
[14:44] <vish> hehe ..
[14:44]  * vish just noticed Equiet's "And, as others would say, look at"
[14:47] <thorwil> yemanja: hi! if you would consider work outside of ubuntu, i know that exaile.org  would like to have new artwork
[14:47] <thorwil> yemanja: http://www.photofiltre-lx.org/ are looking for an icon designer
[14:49] <thorwil> http://clam-project.org/ would like to have a new logo
[14:50] <yemanja> ok great link
[14:50] <yemanja> thanks
[14:52] <thorwil> yemanja: np. let me know if you do work for any of these projects, please
[14:52] <yemanja> ok :)
[16:35] <dashua> kwwii, http://ubuntu-art.org/content/show.php/Human-Lucid?content=119546 . If you're interested for testing.  Getting some great feedback.
[16:58] <vish>  hei dashua did you send the merge request for the firefox entry bug?
[17:00] <vish> dashua: btw , we have started a ppa for humanity ;) [in case you didnt notice]
[18:35] <kwwii> dashua: yeah, saw that (I have it installed) a while ago...I think it would be a great theme for the community-themes package
[19:20] <dashua> vish, I thought I did a while back.  I filed that a  while ago.
[19:20] <dashua> I wasn't aware of the PPA for Humanity.  I usually just pull from trunk.
[19:25] <dashua> vish, lp:~elementaryart/elementaryicons/humanity-testing-ppa
[19:25] <dashua> That the right one?
[19:27] <vish> dashua: https://launchpad.net/~elementaryart/+archive/ppa
[19:27] <vish> kwwii: too^
[19:28] <dashua> vish, Cool thx.
[19:28] <vish> np..
[19:29] <vish> dashua: damn you , actually i was thinking of copying the metacity idea ;p
[19:29] <dashua> Pretty sexxy, eh?
[19:29] <dashua> I am really digging it.
[19:29] <vish> yeah , the idea is a neat one
[19:30] <dashua> Blends perfectly with Humanity.
[19:31] <dashua> If you make those sexxy icons, I can work on another metacity with a bit of top gradient.
[19:31] <dashua> This one really isn't too bad.
[19:33] <vish> dashua: hmm , i didnt understand? dont you already have those icons?
[19:34] <dashua> Yeah, but I think they could use some mac_v <3
[19:34] <dashua> :)
[19:35] <vish> :D
[19:37] <kwwii> vish: hey, cool
[23:06] <zacbarton> im wondering if anyone know why this happens when making a metacity theme
[23:06] <zacbarton> http://www.zacbarton.com/metacity_vs_compiz.png


 I feel more human than a day.
[06:33]  * Squirm eyes Trixar_za
[06:34] <Squirm> even took me a while to figure out that sentence
[06:34] <Trixar_za> Right
[06:34] <Squirm> even after noticing your spelling error
[06:34] <Trixar_za> Tried and tested it is
[06:34] <Squirm> s/either/neither
[06:34] <Squirm> :P
[06:35] <Trixar_za> Intentional pun
[06:35] <Trixar_za> :P
[06:35] <Squirm> I never got that pun :/
[06:35] <Squirm> still don't
[06:35] <Squirm> and I'm beginning to feel a bit sick again. decided I should come to work today
[06:36] <Trixar_za> Yeah, don't follow my example. If I work somewhere and I get sick, I tend to go to work. Mostly because the meds makes work way more fun
[06:37] <Trixar_za> Especially if you're tripping balls while you fix something :P
[06:37] <Georgl> lol
[06:39] <Squirm> I'm on no meds though :/
[06:39] <Squirm> besides myprodol yesterday, nothing today.
[06:39] <Squirm> I was feeling alright this morning
[06:39] <Trixar_za> Well, there goes the fun for the day
[06:40] <Squirm> maybe I should pop 4 myprodol :P
[06:40] <Squirm> "accidentally"
[07:11] <Squirm> and home
[08:02] <magespawn> howdy all
[08:04] <trender> mornin pumpkins :)
[08:17]  * Squirm yawns
[08:19] <Kilos> ai! the power peeps are playing again
[08:39] <Kilos> môre inetpro
[08:39] <inetpro> wb Kilos
[08:40] <Kilos> ty
[08:40] <inetpro> and good morning Kilos
[08:40] <Kilos> hehe
[08:43] <Squirm> oh... my... word
[08:43] <Squirm> just watched the latest Game of Thrones
[08:43] <Squirm> I'm speechless
[08:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> not. a. word.
[08:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> some of us haven't watched yet
[08:44] <Squirm> my eyes are watering it's so amazing
[08:44] <Squirm> I don't spoil
[08:44] <Squirm> just know, you actually have to watch it asap
[08:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> going to tonight
[08:45] <Squirm> now that... is a long way away
[08:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> download failed and i only realised when i got home :(
[08:45] <Squirm> :(
[08:45] <Kilos> are you okes watching later episodes than is on mnet?
[08:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> i wish sickbeard had a way to specify that certain shows should only be torrented
[08:45] <Squirm> I had it on last night, was so slow I'm surprised that it finished
[08:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> because GoT never downloads from usenet
[08:46] <Squirm> Kilos: I think it's 1 week
[08:46] <Kilos> ah ty
[08:46] <Squirm> just watched episode 4, I think mnet showed episode 3 last night
[08:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh, also ..... morning all :)
[08:46] <Squirm> monday*
[08:46] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[08:47] <Squirm> Kilos: cause it's released Sunday night, America time.
[08:48] <Squirm> my new cellphone should be here today
[08:48] <Kilos> oh thats ok then, 1 week behind aint to bad
[08:48] <Squirm> Kilos: you just need to try and avoid spoilers...
[08:48] <Squirm> especially for this episode
[08:48] <Kilos> what are spoilers?
[08:49] <Squirm> when you're told what happens
[08:49] <Squirm> like if I had mentioned why it is so amazing
[08:49] <Kilos> ah, i forget anyway
[08:49] <Squirm> defeats the point of watching it
[08:49] <Squirm> I'm in such a good mood now
[08:50] <Kilos> often need to watch replays to see it all
[08:50]  * Squirm goes and watches that part again
[08:50] <Kilos> lol
[08:54] <Kilos> hi tonberryE352  HawkiesZA
[08:54] <tonberryE352> hallo
[08:59] <Squirm> hi
[09:03] <HawkiesZA> hi ho
[09:04] <Squirm> has anyone else had an issue with Chrome recently using up a lot of memory?
[09:04] <tonberryE352> define recently
[09:05] <tonberryE352> using chrome on a pc with less than 8gb of ram has been painful for me for about 3-4 years
[09:05] <Squirm> well, I've only noticed in in the past 2 weeks or so
[09:05] <Squirm> I've been fine, but now I see it's using atleast 30mb, some pages 100mb+
[09:06] <tonberryE352> chrome will happily consume 4+gb of ram with only 10-20 tabs open
[09:06] <Squirm> yes
[09:06] <Squirm> my netbook was acting slow, 700mb/1000mb used. had 3 tabs in chrome. closed chrome and down to 200mb
[09:06] <Squirm> that's 500mb for 3 tabs
[09:06] <Squirm> :/
[09:07] <tonberryE352> it also has a habit of keeping a lot of stuff in cache from closed tabs
[09:07] <tonberryE352> 4.8gb on this pc with far far too many tabs open
[09:14] <HawkiesZA> I'm using 2.5GB total with 2 instances of Chrome running (and other things, but Chrome chows most of that)
[09:15] <HawkiesZA> Chrome does get kinda hungry with loads of tabs.
[09:16] <tonberryE352> 11 windows, silly amount of tabs
[09:18] <Squirm> hmm
[09:19] <Squirm> cause I've been struggling. Have 4Gb in my home machine and all of a sudden it's become an issue
[09:19] <Squirm> I have 8Gb in my office machine, can't have chrome with like 15 tabs open + a windows VM
[09:19] <Squirm> I actually crashed it the other day, somehow ran outta mem
[09:19]  * Squirm must remember to check his swap space
[09:19] <superfly> ohi
[09:21] <superfly> Squirm: I used Firefox until recently, got a bit fed up with it and switched to Chrome, now I remember why I stick with Firefox. It works.
[09:21] <Squirm> oh chrome works
[09:21] <Squirm> and I love it
[09:21] <tonberryE352> you just need to feed it
[09:21] <tonberryE352> a lot
[09:21] <superfly> In Firefox I have 100+ tabs open without a worry. 10 in Chrome starts making my machine feel like a 286
[09:21] <superfly> tonberryE352: that's not good enough
[09:21] <Squirm> chrome + 1 tab, 200mb :/
[09:22] <tonberryE352> true it is getting a bit out of hand with the ram usage
[09:22] <Squirm> it is, yes
[09:22] <Squirm> superfly: how is Firefox with it's sync these days
[09:22] <Squirm> I love the fact I have all my bookmarks, saved passwords, even history on all my machines
[09:22] <superfly> Squirm: never had a problem
[09:23] <superfly> Squirm: I can't recall if Firefox's sync does that
[09:25] <Kilos> hi superfly
[09:27]  * Squirm investigates
[09:27] <Squirm> Firefox Sync is a service that lets you synchronize your bookmarks, history, passwords, add-ons and open tabs with another copy of Firefox – like one on another computer or on a mobile phone.
[09:27] <Squirm> awesome
[09:30] <nuvolari> o/ oh hi
[09:31] <nuvolari> anyone around using macs?
[09:31] <nuvolari> and noticed that mac users struggle a lot with quotes i?
[09:31] <nuvolari> :P
[09:31] <nuvolari> they always break stuff
[09:33] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[09:40] <Kilos> hi simeon
[09:41] <superfly> nuvolari: eh?
[10:26] <Kilos> simeon, your connections sucks today, you in and out
[10:43] <nuvolari> superfly: using 'mac-style' quotes and apostrophe's in html for attributes
[10:44] <superfly> mac style? whats that?
[10:45] <nuvolari> hrr, it's hard to reproduce on a 'proper' keyboard :P
[10:45] <superfly> You mean ``
[10:48] <nuvolari> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(Quotation_marks_and_apostrophes)
[10:49] <nuvolari> aka (aparently) curly quotes
[11:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> anyone using raring and bumblebee for nvidia optimus support?
[12:35] <superfly> nope
[12:47] <Squirm> people seem to be having connection issues today
[12:52] <inetpro> yay! Seems I'm already getting a new firmware update on me Note II
[12:55] <superfly> inetpro: nice, up to 4.1.2 ?
[13:03] <inetpro> superfly: I'm not sure what it is trying to upgrade exactly at the moment, I'm on 4.1.1 at the moment
[13:03] <inetpro> so I guess it will go to 4.1.2
[13:04] <inetpro> hopefully we'll go to 4.2 at some point in the near future as well
[13:06] <Kilos> hi Cronus welcome to ubuntu-za
[13:07] <Cronus> Kilos: Thanks ;)
[13:18] <Kilos> Cronus, tell us about yourself, w3hat you do? what OS you use etc
[13:18] <Kilos> s/w3hat/what
[13:19] <Kilos> hmm...
[13:21] <Kilos> you are welcome here regardless
[13:31] <Kilos> inetpro, you and plustwo are yoyoing today
[13:32] <Kilos> mind you dont get kicked
[13:32] <Kilos> fix it
[13:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> middag konstabel!
[13:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> :P
[13:40] <Kilos> hehe
[13:45] <Kilos> hes is the kicker
[13:45] <trender> (.)(.)
[13:45] <trender>   __
[13:45] <Kilos> ohi trender
[13:45] <trender> yo
[13:55] <Vince-0> surp durp
[13:55] <Vince-0> gosh darn work work, feel like a peon here today
[13:58] <Kilos> never mind Vince-0 only 30 years to go
[14:07] <Squirm> S3 arrives tomorrow :/
[14:07] <Squirm> I'm not going to be here all day tomorrow
[14:18] <nuvolari> wise words oom Kilos
[14:18] <nuvolari> :P
[14:19] <Kilos> lol
[14:32] <Vince-0> ha! I'll have like 38 more years to go
[14:33] <Vince-0> but its gtfo time right now whoot
[14:36] <bakuman> anyone have experience with gpg?
[14:53] <nuvolari> bakuman: what kind of experience with gpg?
[14:53] <nuvolari> I have extremely limited experience
[14:53] <bakuman> with experience i mean 'used it'
[14:53] <bakuman> :D
[14:54] <nuvolari> which part? :P
[14:55] <bakuman> well I am making some backups which I encrypt
[14:55] <bakuman> just wondering if there is anything I should be wary if
[14:55] <nuvolari> losing your keys
[14:56] <nuvolari> but file encryption I do not have a lot of experience with
[14:56] <bakuman> okay thanks
[16:14] <inetpro> Kilos: I know, sorry for that
[16:15] <Kilos> lol np inetpro just teasing man
[16:16] <Kilos> lets blame telkom
[16:16] <inetpro> Kilos: good idea
[16:20] <Kilos> goinf to kde. wbb
[16:20] <Kilos> going as well
[17:33] <Kilos> whew we are min here tonight hey
[17:33]  * Cantide makes some noise
[17:33] <Kilos> nuvolari: jaag jy die mense weg?
[17:33] <Kilos> hi Cantide
[17:34] <Kilos> only 20 here
[17:34] <Cantide> good evening
[17:34] <Cantide> damn, how do you spell 'goeie'
[17:34] <Cantide> i seem to have forgotten Afrikaans ._.
[17:34] <Kilos> like that
[17:34] <Cantide> ah
[17:34] <Cantide> then ..
[17:34] <Cantide> goeie aand :)
[17:34] <Kilos> goeie naand
[17:34] <Cantide> ek moet Afrikaans leer ._.
[17:35] <Kilos> nee man jy gaam koreaans moet leer
[17:35] <Kilos> gaan
[17:35] <Cantide> haha
[17:35] <Cantide> ja, ek sal
[17:35] <Kilos> hehe
[17:35] <Cantide> en ook Germanikaans en Latinikaans
[17:36] <Kilos> duits en latyns
[17:36] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:36] <Cantide> dankie :p
[17:36] <Kilos> lateins latyns?
[17:36] <Cantide> ek weet nie!
[17:36] <Kilos> me neither
[17:36] <Cantide> what's your first laguange?
[17:36] <Kilos> inetpro: whats latin in the taal
[17:36] <Cantide> language *
[17:36] <Kilos> english
[17:37] <inetpro> Kilos: uh?
[17:37] <Kilos> no man not uh latin in afrikaans
[17:37] <inetpro> soos in Latyn?
[17:38] <Kilos> ja dit kan wees dankie
[17:38] <Kilos> there Cantide
[17:38] <Cantide> baie dankie, oom Kilos en inetpro :p
[17:38] <Cantide> Kilos, wat is jy eerste taal?
[17:38] <Kilos> always ask the pro, he is a van der merwe
[17:39] <inetpro> Latyn (Lingua Latina) was die taal wat oorspronklik in die gebied Latium in Rome se omgewing gepraat is. Dit het baie belangrik geword as die amptelike taal van die Romeinse Ryk. http://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latyn
[17:39] <Kilos> my eerste taal is engels Cantide
[17:39] <Kilos> en dis jou taal nie jy taal nie
[17:39] <Cantide> ek sien :) ek ook
[17:39] <Cantide> ah
[17:39] <Cantide> as you can see :) my Afrikaans is not great :p
[17:39] <Cantide> school was 11 years ago, and I've not used it since
[17:40] <Kilos> ya durbs is all english
[17:40] <Cantide> I live next to an Afrikaans high school haha
[17:41] <Kilos> haha
[17:42] <Kilos> find an afrikaans chick
[17:42] <Cantide> no thanks :p
[17:42] <Cantide> I have a Korean one :p
[17:42] <Cantide> Korean chick = WIN
[17:42] <Kilos> ai!
[17:44] <inetpro> superfly: btw, that upgrade was to 4.1.2
[18:00] <Kilos> hi smile4ever wb Vince-0
[18:14] <Kilos> night all , sleep tight
[18:20] <Vince-0> haai
[18:20] <Vince-0> oh baai
[18:20] <Cantide> 'o'
[18:31] <smile4ever> bye
[18:58] <superfly> inetpro: yeah. mine and mrs_fly's are both on that too
[18:59] <superfly> 11 years ago? youngling
[19:45] <Tonberry> what phones?
[20:01] <superfly> Tonberry: S3 and S3 mini
[20:01] <Tonberry> o
[20:01] <Tonberry> over the air yet?
[20:02] <Tonberry> or manually?
[20:11] <Tonberry> oh 4.1.2 not 4.2.2
[20:11] <Tonberry> oh well
[21:10] <Squirm> mmmm
[21:10] <Squirm> my S3 arrives tomorrow
[21:10] <Squirm> and I only get back at 5pm :/


[04:39] <micahg> nperry: yes
[12:07] <dupondje> bdrung: audacious released new version (with the (bad) patch included)
[13:40] <vibhav> dholbach: ping
[14:43] <vibhav> jamespage: ping
[14:46] <jamespage> vibhav, pong
[14:46] <vibhav> jamespage: Can I PM You?
[14:46] <jamespage> vibhav,yes


[11:38] <agent00tai> Hi guys, I have a question about our PPAs, we are going to release our distribution soon and wanted to ask if it's ok to use the Launchpad PPAs as the main means of getting our applications to our users
[11:38] <lifeless> long as you follow https://help.launchpad.net/PPATermsofUse
[11:40] <lifeless> if you want a stronger statement, open a question on answers.launchpad.net/launchpad, to get a staff member to answer.
[11:41] <agent00tai> yeah the main thing I'm worried about is this: "Canonical reserves the right to enforce quotas on the Service, including (but not limited to) disk space, CPU time, and bandwidth usage."
[11:42] <agent00tai> we follow all the license guidelines as all of our software is GPL licensed
[11:57] <lifeless> fair enough. Software centre runs out of PPAs though
[11:57] <lifeless> I wouldn't *expect* issues, unless your software is super-super popular.
[11:57] <lifeless> but - like I say - open a ticket if you've got concerns.
[12:13] <kieron-desktop> hallo anyone on here


[09:37] <flocculant> bluesabre Unit193 - seems to be something up with gtk3 bits - with  ppa:xubuntu-dev/xfce4-gtk3 I keep losing panel on startup, could be terminal as that gets lost from launcher if I restore panel from xfpanel switch - also terminal isn't starting
[09:37] <flocculant> if I purge ppa and restart - all is ok