[00:36] <agu10> hey
[00:36] <agu10> I want to install Blender latest versino
[00:36] <agu10> 'version
[00:36] <agu10> where can I get that?
[00:51] <tomd> hello, im trying to get two applications (kopete & mjpg-streamer) to listen to the same video device (a webcam) simultaneouslly. What excatly keeps this from happening? Does the kernal lock the video device for the initial application?
[04:26] <pulaski> part
[04:27] <reya276> How can I make Krita look the same visually in Ubuntu as it does in Kubuntu/KDE?
[04:29] <Snowhog> reya276: You should be asking that question in #ubuntu
[04:30] <reya276> ok let me give it a shot
[04:33] <reya276> nope no luck, I got totally ignored
[04:37] <reya276> see this is what it looks like http://img205.imageshack.us/i/ubuntukrita23.png/
[05:00] <echodevnull> anyone here good with the older kde3 servicemenus?
[06:06] <nit-wit> is gparted the partitioner in kubuntu
[06:06] <nit-wit> I know what I'm doing I just haven't used kubuntu help somebody else get setup
[06:07] <nit-wit> *helping
[06:09] <Daskreech> nit-wit: kinda
[06:10] <Daskreech> nit-wit: can you run partitionmanager ?
[06:12] <nit-wit> Daskreech, I'm helping a noob who is all over the place, I'm justtrying to get them a extended witha logical and a swap inside standard stuff
[06:13] <Daskreech> i take it youcan't physically help them anytime soon
[06:14] <nit-wit> Daskreech, IRC #ubungt+1 the natty channel
[06:41] <nit-wit> anybody want to help a person trying to install Natty Kubuntu
[06:42] <OchoZero9> hi, is there a partition manager in the ISO?
[06:42] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, hopefully we can getter done here.
[06:42] <OchoZero9> I'm on try kubuntu mode and I need to set up a partition
[06:42] <OchoZero9> hope so
[06:43] <OchoZero9> can we use a program we can run of a usb?
[06:44] <nit-wit> Back information OchoZero9 just needs a extended and a logical and a swap the logical and the swap in the extended. # primaries at this point, and a unallocated space begging for Kubuntu:)
[06:44] <nit-wit> *3 primaries already
[06:44] <OchoZero9> i dont think i have three primaries
[06:45] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, yeah you do, unless the disk manager was wrong
[06:46] <OchoZero9> it's right, but only the first disk is part of the computer
[06:47] <OchoZero9> everyone is sleeping here
[06:47] <nit-wit> OchoZero9, the kubuntu partitioner will tell us though, yeah sda1 is firmware in a partition sda2 is C and sda3 is the recovery. In linux the Partitions have letters and numbers
[06:48] <rumo> test
[06:48] <nit-wit> rumo, see you loud and clear
[06:48] <OchoZero9> tset
[06:52] <cato37> happy new year. i just upgraded to 10.10. Nice job!
[06:53] <cato37> except for the chrome. chrome looks good on a 1957 Chevy. How do i get the colored icons back like 10.04?
[06:54] <stalcup> chrome is for gnome
[06:54] <stalcup> just say'n
[06:58] <cato37> another problem is with reqonq. when i right click to get the context menu, the menu shows up all clear.
[06:58] <cato37> is there a fix for this?
[06:59] <jhohn>
[07:00] <cato37> overall, i like the integraton of 10.10. :)
[07:03] <OchoZero9> can i edit a partition form the live cd?
[07:17] <israfil> hallo, ich bekomme beim Kompilieren eines Programmes einen Fehler bzgl. QGLWidget, es ist also nicht bekannt. Was muss ich nachinstallieren?
[07:18] <israfil> hallo, ich bekomme beim Kompilieren eines Programmes einen Fehler bzgl. QGLWidget, es ist also nicht bekannt. Was muss ich nachinstallieren? Ich benutze kubuntu hardy heron
[07:20] <jhohn> israfil:  dies ist ein englischsprachiger Kanal und Doppelpostings sind  auch nicht unbedingt erwünscht
[07:20] <jhohn> israfil: what kind of error message do you get?
[07:21] <israfil> hello, when i try to compile a program i get an error concerning QGLWidget. I use Kubuntu Hardy Heron. What have i to install?
[07:21] <israfil> i get the message that the type of QGLWidget is not known
[07:22] <israfil> i installed all requirements i think
[07:23] <jhohn> what program do you try to compile and pls. post the last part of the output, including the errormessage.
[07:25] <israfil> http://dpaste.com/294406/ , it is the program: http://code.google.com/p/ssl-vision/wiki/RequirementsInstallation
[07:28] <israfil> jhohn: i installed libqt with opengl (dev files) and now it works, thanks. But i have got another error
[08:30] <NeonSaki> http://neonsaki.blogspot.com/
[08:30] <NeonSaki> http://neonsaki.blogspot.com/
[08:31] <NeonSaki> :)
[08:31] <NeonSaki> (:
[08:31] <NeonSaki> :)
[08:35] <NeonSaki> http://neonsaki.blogspot.com/ Hey Guys..
[08:35] <NeonSaki> http://neonsaki.blogspot.com/ Hey Guys..
[08:56] <tobi_> Hey folks, ... I had four great years with KDE, but now the laptop is moving to my mothers and it's going to be WinOS again. When booting from the XP Disc, I'm getting a bluescreen, no chance for a fresh-format... what can I do to deinstall KDE from hand, or change the format into NTFS?! Any guesses?
[08:58] <geekosopher> tobi_: use a livecd to reformat
[09:05] <tobi_> livecd for KDE deinstall? or do you mean the recovery cd for this old windows cd (in case, that is gone for good)
[09:07] <geekosopher> tobi_: boot any ubuntu or kubuntu livecd, and use the partition editor program in it to reformat the disk
[09:08] <tobi_> that could work... thanks a lot! Have a nice day....
[09:08] <tobi_> bye
[09:18] <Fleck> tobi_ i guess the problem is with sata controler ;)
[09:18] <Fleck> check out if you can set SATA to IDE MODE not AHCI
[09:19] <Fleck> or get F6 floppy for your lap
[09:22] <tobi_> tried that F6 befor, but windows couldn't find any SATA or IDE device! Laptop already worked with Win OS...
[09:23] <tobi_> normally the boot cd should work fine, right?
[09:24] <Fleck> nope
[09:24] <Fleck> boot doesnt work fine on newer laps
[09:24] <tobi_> hu?!
[09:24] <Fleck> 80% crash with blue screen :)
[09:24] <tobi_> the laptop is about 4 years old ...
[09:24] <Fleck> so if you can set sata mode to IDE in bios
[09:25] <Fleck> tobi_ well, winxp is 10+ years so :D
[09:25] <tobi_> it is
[09:25] <Fleck> anyway, can you try bios?
[09:26] <tobi_> while booting, yes
[09:26] <tobi_> already got 80% of kubuntu desktop disc by now
[09:27] <Fleck> the thing is - u can partition while in winxp setup...
[09:29] <tobi_> Setup is breaking down at hardware check with bluescreen
[09:31] <tobi_> i cannot join the partition part
[09:31] <tobi_> what shall i do in bios?
[09:36] <tobi_> live cd is burned. Thanks again, bye!
[09:37] <cico> hi!
[10:01] <OchoZero9> how the you start the gui from command line?
[10:01] <rork> OchoZero9: startx
[10:02] <OchoZero9> thank you very much
[10:03] <OchoZero9> I think it froze :(
[10:05] <rork> What do you see?
[10:10] <OchoZero9> rork, i restarted it, now it's stuck at checking battery state
[10:16] <rork> OchoZero9: during boot or when logging in into KDE?
[10:16] <OchoZero9> during boot
[10:17] <kobus> Anybody with experience with the Vodafone USB modem in Kubuntu?
[10:17] <OchoZero9> rork, Pulseaudio configured for per-user sessinos sand disabled: edit /etc/default/saned   * checking battery state
[10:19] <rork> OchoZero9: have you tried multiple times? tried with the battery removed? tried booting into recovery mode?
[10:19] <OchoZero9> I tried multiple times but not with out the battery
[10:19] <OchoZero9> what do i do in recovery?
[10:19] <OchoZero9> I was there to fix packages and it took a long time
[10:19] <kobus> the network manager recognises it as a mobile device, but I can't get it to connect
[10:20] <OchoZero9> when it was done was when i asked how do i get the gui
[10:20] <venkat> Can anyone help me with a problem in perl catalyst?
[10:21] <venkat> Please respond
[10:23] <rork> venkat: 30 seconds is a bi...
[10:24] <kobus> Anybody who can help with a 3g usb modem?
[10:24] <valorie> !ask | venkat
[10:25] <rork> venkat: 30 seconds is a bit fast for a reaction in irc channels, also this isn't the right channel for perl related questions. Maybe try in #perl
[10:25] <OchoZero9> rork, it hangs
[10:25] <OchoZero9> in recovery when i type sudo startx
[10:26] <rork> OchoZero9: ok, can you kill the process or reboot into a commandline? Which packages did you install?
[10:26] <OchoZero9> the scrreen changes to root@ecinc-Thinkpad-x201-tablet:/home/ecinx# and a rectangular shape
[10:27] <OchoZero9> it reacts when i press the power button then it shuts down
[10:28] <OchoZero9> what do i pick in the recovery menu?
[10:29] <OchoZero9> netroot?
[10:29] <rork> yes
[10:29] <OchoZero9> now what do I type?
[10:30] <rork> after that check the logs: ~/.xsession-errors either use `pager ~/.xsession-errors` or `tail -n 20 ~/.xsession-errors` is there anything that looks like that it causes the hanging?
[10:32] <venkat> When I try to run the server in catalyst for my app I get the follwoing error:
[10:32] <venkat> Can't use an undefined value as a HASH reference at /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.12.2/Catalyst.pm line 2697.
[10:32] <venkat> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /home/karthik/Documents/ezvidya/script/../lib/Cl.pm line 6.
[10:32] <venkat> Compilation failed in require at cl_server.pl line 55.
[10:32] <venkat> Can anyone help me in resolving the issue
[10:32] <FloodBotK3> venkat: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:33] <rork> venkat: ask in #perl please, they can better help you debug your script.
[10:35] <OchoZero9> damn I'm stuck  with a black screen with just whatever i Type
[10:35] <OchoZero9> and before taht i was stuck with > preceding every line, now it doesnt
[10:36] <rork> OchoZero9: but can you use a normal commandline in recovery mode?
[10:37] <OchoZero9> rork, I haven't used any command line apps in kubuntu before :(
[10:38] <OchoZero9> so I woudln't know
[10:38] <OchoZero9> yeah it workss, i typed 'parted'
[10:39] <OchoZero9> I got the same thing i got in the terminal a few hours ago
[10:40] <rork> OchoZero9: ok, now type `tail -n 25 ~/.xsession-errors`, this will print the last 25 lines of that file right?
[10:41] <OchoZero9> i thnk i typed something wrong
[10:41] <OchoZero9> what exactly gets typed?
[10:42] <OchoZero9> `tail -n 25 ~/.xsession-errors`
[10:42] <OchoZero9> I'm stuck in the > prompt ,, how do i leave it
[10:42] <rork> or without `s, both should work fine, control-c
[10:42] <jhohn> n is the number of lines, type tail -25 ...
[10:46] <OchoZero9> Okay here's the error...    Xsession: X session started for root 05:24:25 EST 2011 ^^ Setting IM through im-switch for locale=en_US. ^^ Start IM through /etc/X11/xinit/ximput.d/all_ALL linked to /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/default.  ^^ xterm: fatal IO error 11 (Resource termporaritly unavialable) or KillClient on X server ":0.0"at Wed Jan 5
[10:46] <OchoZero9> that at wed part was before, i accidentally moved it with the palm and the touch pad
[10:48] <kobus> anybody know how to use usb_modeswitch?
[10:51] <silv3r_m00n> I want to install this style >> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=31717
[10:51] <silv3r_m00n> can I get something like a deb file or similar ?
[10:51] <rork> OchoZero9: You mentioned you tried to install something before starting X? what did you install?
[10:52] <OchoZero9> i tried to install stuff when i was in kpackage
[10:53] <OchoZero9> it was a latex ploting program, xournal, and i don't remember what else
[10:53] <OchoZero9> it gave me an error
[10:53] <rork> silv3r_m00n: that theme is for KDE 3.2? Are you using that version?
[10:53] <OchoZero9> then i tried to install kile and some other latex stuff and gimp
[10:54] <silv3r_m00n> I am on kde 4.1
[10:54] <silv3r_m00n> I had that style in 9.10 , but can't see it in 10.04
[10:55] <OchoZero9> if i try to run fail safe X it goes back to the recovery menu
[10:55] <rork> OchoZero9: can you type `sudo apt-get check`, this will check your install for broken dependencies
[10:56] <silv3r_m00n> rork: how do I get it ?
[10:56] <OchoZero9> it said buidling dependency tree, reading state information.. Done  that's it
[10:59] <rork> silv3r_m00n: You can install themes in System Settings > Appearance, I'd suggest you look for a similar them for KDE 4.
[11:00] <silv3r_m00n> I mean I had klearlooks in KDE in ubuntu 9.1
[11:00] <silv3r_m00n> but can't get it in 10.04
[11:08] <rork> OchoZero9: I'm still looking for your problem, finding random bits. Can you type `xhost +` and then `startx` ?
[11:08] <OchoZero9> i looked all over and a lot of people have it with no solution
[11:09] <OchoZero9> xhost: unable to open display
[11:09] <OchoZero9> xhost: unable to open display ""
[11:10] <rork> OchoZero9: I had that when I looked for "Checking battery state", but the battery state is not the problem. It's starting X. I'm now looking for "xterm: fatal IO error 11 (Resource termporaritly unavialable)"
[11:10] <OchoZero9> oh...
[11:10] <OchoZero9> from the error log
[11:12] <OchoZero9> i found something in the oracle forums but it seem chinese to me
[11:12] <OchoZero9> about exportig display
[11:13] <OchoZero9> let me go to the bios and find the sleep stuff
[11:13] <rork> Can you post a link?
[11:14] <OchoZero9> okay let me find it again
[11:14] <OchoZero9> http://forums.oracle.com/forums/thread.jspa?messageID=9210189
[11:15] <OchoZero9> one other weird thing, when i go to net root, it never asked me for name and password
[11:15] <dutch> I got a problem...running kubuntu 10.04..when using thunderbird as a mail client,
[11:16] <dutch> when I click on a link in thunderbird,  the launch application comes up
[11:16] <dutch> how do I get the launch application to open firefox to open the link ??
[11:18] <rork> dutch: you can set the default browser in System Settings > Defaul Applications > Webbrowsers, I'm not sure thunderbird supports that though. If it doesn't check the thunderbird settings if it mentions anything like that.
[11:19] <dutch> rork,  thanks...I'll look into that...
[11:25] <dutch> rork,  that doesn't seem to do the trick,  but I can copy & paste the url into an open browser...not ideal but it works
[11:25] <OchoZero9> should i reinstalll, but instead of kubuntu install ubuntu then downlaod kdesktop?
[11:26] <rork> OchoZero9: I'm afraid I can't help you fix this problem. Keep asking and keep that xsession-errors log ready. Probably someone else can help you.
[11:27] <OchoZero9> thanks
[11:27] <James147> dutch: try system settings > file association .. and edit the entry for html
[11:31] <dutch> James147: ok...I'll try that...thanks
[12:17] <kobus> I'm looking for help with a mobile broadband usb stick...
[12:31] <Xo4u_na_bash> Как вышивать крестиком, ребят?
[12:31] <Xo4u_na_bash> Меня сюда из #php направили
[12:32] <nuno_nunes> hi
[14:01] <Lillian> is this the right place to ask about programs for konversations by chance?
[14:06] <vbgunz> I just installed a new motherboard. hibernate and resume worked perfect on my old motherboard, on the new one, the both resume immediately without ever shutting down... anyone know what could be the issue?
[14:17] <kyle_> help]
[14:17] <kyle_> help
[14:28] <johann_> what are you talking about?
[14:29] <vbgunz> post 35 here I believe may have fixed my suspend issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/522998
[14:30] <vbgunz> for the first time on this board, I was able to sleep and hibernate, so far so good
[14:31] <johann_> I'm the first time on this board
[14:39] <johann_> I can't understand this bug, my pc is LENOVO Y450,but there is no
[14:59] <kobus> anybody that can help me with usb_modeswitch?
[15:07] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[15:31] <Mausschubser> hello I am on 10.10
[15:31] <Mausschubser> and I have a package dependency problem
[15:31] <Mausschubser> because of that my system doesn't boot any more
[15:32] <Mausschubser> I have to get rid of lib32stdc++5
[15:32] <Mausschubser> sorry, I have to install it
[15:33] <chuckf> when you say it doesn't boot does it not get to gui or not boot to even grub?
[15:33] <Mausschubser> but it doesn't
[15:33] <Mausschubser> it gets to the gui
[15:33] <Mausschubser> it shows 10.10 and underneath you can see these points flashing
[15:33] <Mausschubser> you know what I mean?
[15:33] <chuckf> I know what you mean there
[15:34] <chuckf> that's not the gui though
[15:34] <chuckf> the gui would be the login screen
[15:34] <Mausschubser> so what do you call it then?
[15:34] <Mausschubser> ok
[15:34] <chuckf> that would be the bootsplash
[15:34] <Mausschubser> thanks
[15:35] <chuckf> np
[15:35] <Mausschubser> this bootsplash disappears when you hit a button on the keyboard and there it showed me an error
[15:35] <Mausschubser> HDIO-GET-IDENTITY failed for /dev/sda
[15:36] <Mausschubser> and kdm isn't even installed any more
[15:36] <James147> Mausschubser: try booting to recovery mode (hold shift during boot to get the grub menu to appear)
[15:36] <Mausschubser> James147: I already did that. whats step 2?
[15:37] <James147> Mausschubser: first, try installing "kubuntu-desktop" it should pullin anything your missing thats needed
[15:37] <Mausschubser> yes, I already tried that, too
[15:38] <Mausschubser> but then it always  says that there ist this xxx package dependency
[15:38] <Mausschubser> either I install lib32stdc++5
[15:38] <Mausschubser> or I delete ia32-libs
[15:39] <Mausschubser> -f didn't help
[15:39] <James147> Mausschubser: and what error do you get then you try either of them ^^
[15:40] <Mausschubser> installing isn't possible
[15:40] <James147> Mausschubser: why not?
[15:41] <Mausschubser> James147:  it's all german
[15:41] <Mausschubser> one moment
[15:41] <amichair> sometimes after a reboot the network fails to work. I've narrowed it down to having to open guarddog and pressing apply to fix things, e.g. the firewall is getting messed up (only sometimes). What can be causing this?
[15:42] <James147> !firewall
[15:43] <kb3ien> i seem to have built vbox 3.2.12 OSE, but i'm not finding any means to INSTALL it. with hardening disabled some features work from the build dir, is there an install script?
[15:44] <Mausschubser> James147:  at first it downloads the package, tries to unpack it... then it tries to overwrite the elder libstdc++ but then the sub process was killed
[15:44] <amichair> James147: I know, I already use guarddog... the question is why does it sometimes work, and sometimes not, after a reboot
[15:44] <Mausschubser> it says something about a broken pipe
[15:45] <James147> amichair: sorry :) dont know that much about firewalls ^^
[15:46] <Mausschubser> James147:  that's all info
[15:46] <luciano> ciao
[15:46] <Mausschubser> ciao
[15:46] <luciano> !list
[15:47] <kb3ien> I removed some symlinks left by vbox4.0.1 and am re running kmk all, but kmk install seems to have no effect either.
[15:50] <Mausschubser> James147:  I have a separate /home partition. When I reinstall my data won' t be lost, right?
[15:50] <James147> Mausschubser: as long as you do not formate the partition that /home is on the installer will not delete anything inside it
[15:51] <Mausschubser> seems like the best solution, don't you think?
[15:51] <James147> Mausschubser: note that its is still best to do a backup of anything important anyway, just incase :)
[15:51] <Mausschubser> now a backup?
[15:51] <James147> Mausschubser: its certenly `a` solution :)
[15:52] <Mausschubser> I don't have a clue how to
[15:52] <serenity> hi
[15:52] <Mausschubser> hallo
[15:52] <serenity> does anyone of you know if there is already a ppa for digikam 2.0 beta?
[15:53] <kb3ien> anyone else had to uninstall vbox 4?
[15:53] <kb3ien> its messing up vbox3 afaict
[15:53] <Mausschubser> afaict? what does that mean? as far as I ...
[15:55] <kb3ien> ... can tell ?
[15:56] <Mausschubser> kb3ien: ah thanks, I am German
[15:57] <kb3ien> no worries.
[15:57] <israfil> hello, i have a nvidia driver and a notebook from samsung. I have the laptop-mode-tools enabled. But my screen is dark. I tried to edit the "/sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/max_brightness" but i have no permission (even as root!). There is a "7" as the value, i want to chane it to "100". WHat can i do?
[15:57] <Mausschubser> israfil, auf englisch heißt des laptop ;-)
[15:58] <James147> israfil: how did you try to edit that file?
[15:58] <James147> israfil: also, does the battery widget not let you adjust the brightness?
[15:59] <israfil> james14/: i tried as as sudo
[15:59] <kb3ien> what are the files permissions?
[16:00] <James147> israfil: but how as sudo? what was the full command?
[16:00] <israfil> the widget from hardy does not edit anything if i turn the brightness in its gui!
[16:02] <israfil> the file has the permissions: http://dpaste.com/294518/
[16:02] <israfil> sudo kate /sys/.../brightness
[16:02] <israfil> james147: ... is the command
[16:02] <James147> ^^ DONT use sudo to open kate
[16:03] <James147> use kdesudo to open gui applicaitons
[16:03] <kb3ien> i'm a big fan of sudo bash; then vi ...
[16:03] <James147> (not that it will help, its just that "sudo kate" has been known to stop you loggin in)
[16:04] <James147> kb3ien: either "sudo vi" or "sudo nano" or "kdesudo kate"  to edit a file as root, never do "sudo kate"
[16:05] <James147> kb3ien: but anyway, are you sure its "max_brightness" you need to edit?
[16:06] <israfil> can you tell me the full command? kdesudo ... /sys/...max_brightness? what have i to type for "..."?
[16:08] <James147> israfil: "kdesudo kate /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness" would be my guess
[16:11] <israfil> james147: i cannot edit it because of these rights:
[16:11] <israfil>  anything if i turn the brightness in its gui!
[16:11] <israfil> [17:02] <israfil> the file has the permissions: http://dpaste.com/294518/
[16:12] <James147> israfil: as root? the brightness (NOT max_brightness) file is writable by root ^^
[16:15] <kb3ien> wow okay. i've removed the last of vbox4, now vbox 3.2.12 is missing the VNC options too....
[16:16] <kb3ien> i'm thinking that i can fix that in configure...
[16:17] <James147> israfil: this works for me to set the brightness to maximum:   sudo sh -c "cat /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/max_brightness > /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness"
[16:18] <israfil> james147: if i do that nothing happens
[16:18] <israfil> have i to to anything else?
[16:19] <James147> israfil: i dident ^^ but then i can control my brightness form the battery widget :S
[16:20] <israfil> the battery widget does not do anything? if i shift it nothing happens
[16:21] <James147> israfil: what version of kubuntu are you running?
[16:22] <israfil> i run 2.6.24-23
[16:22] <israfil> by the way, i updated kubuntu and the linux.image.generic was installed but i do not see it in the GRUB menu, why?
[16:26] <amichair> is anyone here good with iptables and startup scripts?
[16:42] <rork> israfil: was grub updated after installing the new kernel?
[16:43] <israfil> rork: i don't know
[16:43] <israfil> have i to update it?
[16:43] <fanti> hello! i'm using ait's fglrx driver with kubuntu. 3d acceleration works fine but desktop effekts/compositing doesn't work at all :-(
[16:43] <simo163> hi every one!!
[16:44] <rork> israfil: you can update it with `sudo update-grub`, that should add the new kernel to the options
[16:44] <rork> hi simo163
[16:45] <israfil> rork: but i have to update grub in lucid lynx right? i have lucid installed, too and use its grub and not grub from hardy
[16:45] <simo163> hi rork.. this chat is general or specific?
[16:45] <rork> israfil: yes, in that case you have to update it in lucid
[16:45] <israfil> ok thanks
[16:46] <rork> simo163: this is a kubuntu support channel so specific, for general chat we have #kubuntu-offtopic
[16:47] <simo163> by the way, just created a lisp page fb; its about lisp and artificial intelegence http://www.facebook.com/pages/Lisp/170016599698767?ref=ts
[16:49] <simo163> just join us.. hope it's useful for lisp fans
[16:50] <simo163> rork amm so it s just about ubuntu question
[16:50] <simo163> or also about programming?
[16:51] <James147> simo163: its the kubuntu support channel :) there are many programming channels around as well though
[16:51] <JeroenDeDauw> I'm not able to update or install (or even remove) anything anymore on my Kubuntu 10.10 due to some lame conflict between pidgin and pidgin-facebookchat. This is the crap I get: http://dpaste.org/IGRO/ How to fix this?
[16:52] <simo163> james147 where? :)
[16:53] <James147> simo163: depends on what language ...
[16:53] <simo163> lisp for example
[16:53] <James147> simo163: #lisp ..probally :)
[16:53] <yofel> JeroenDeDauw: remove piding-facebookchat, known issue with pidgin 2.7.9 and facebookchat
[16:54] <simo163> in my windows just have the nicks list in the right and All chat in the left
[16:54] <simo163> actually no more things :)
[16:54] <simo163> amm
[16:54] <simo163> nop just lisp hehe
[16:54] <JeroenDeDauw> yofel: well, how do I remove it? apt-get remove clearly doesn't work :)
[16:54] <James147> simo163: type /join #list    to join it
[16:54] <yofel> JeroenDeDauw: 'sudo dpkg -r pidgin-facebookchat' or you could force overwrite the file with 'sudo dpkg --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/pidgin-data_1%3a2.7.9-1ubuntu0+pidgin1.10.10_all.deb'
[16:55] <yofel> er, '-i --force-overwrite' for the second part
[16:55] <simo163> do u mean lisp right
[16:55] <James147> JeroenDeDauw: try "sudo dpkg -r <packagename>"
[16:56] <JeroenDeDauw> yofel: James147: "sudo dpkg -r pidgin-facebookchat" appears to have worked, thanks! :)
[16:56] <yofel> lp 697097 by the way
[16:56] <simo163> so yes james147 that's cool
[16:57] <James147> simo163: yeah :)
[16:57] <simo163> how can i know the chanels exists ?
[16:57]  * James147 tends to just join them and see :)
[16:58] <simo163> amm that magic
[16:58] <simo163> no its logic :)
[16:59] <James147> simo163: freennode had ALLOT of channels ^^ its hard to list them all, most folow logical names usually after the language/program/topic you are intrested in :)
[16:59] <James147> simo163: /list will list them.... but it could take awhile ;)
[17:02] <simo163> nothing happened i think it still thinking i dont know
[17:14] <jaafar> Is there a good reason why I have 132 bug fix updates today? (lucid)
[17:16] <James147> jaafar: have you upgated in a while? what updates are they for (in general)?
[17:17] <jaafar> james147: I update all the time but this one seems unusual.  it's all over the map, mostly KDE stuff, comments of the two I sampled refer to upstream syncing
[17:17] <jaafar> just want to make sure I'm not getting hacked or something
[17:17] <BluesKaj> jaafar, any ppas in the repos ?
[17:19] <BluesKaj> did you add any ppas to your package manager or sources.liist, jaafar
[17:20] <yofel> BluesKaj, jaafar: KDE 4.4.5 was released into lucid-updates yesterday, blame that
[17:20] <BluesKaj> yofel, aha ..ok
[17:20] <James147> jaafar: quite often if one kde package upgrades, you get allot of others upgraded as well... thats most likly what happened if they are mostly kde packages
[17:22] <i2> Hello, can you help me please? http://paste.ubuntu.com/550740/
[17:25] <James147> i2: does /usr/sbin/laptop_mode exist? and is laptop-mode-tools installed?
[17:26] <i2> James147: yes to both !
[17:27] <jaafar> yofel: thanks, that makes sense
[17:33] <rjwiii> Hello ... I installed Evolution via the package installer and it seem not to have installed the help file for it. Do I have to install this seperatly?
[17:35] <BluesKaj> rjwiii, in the terminal: man evolution  , and you really should ask in #ubuntu for gnome apps
[17:36] <BluesKaj> rjwiii, kubuntu uses kde
[17:36] <DarthFrog> rjwiii:  Also, "apt-cache search evolution" will tell you what packages are available for evolution.
[17:37] <James147> ^^ or searching for evolution in kpackagekit should get a similar list :)
[17:37] <DarthFrog> James147:  What's kpackagekit?  :-)
[17:38]  * James147 suggests makeing sure evolution-common is installed, the evolution-doc* packages seems to point to that one
[17:38] <israfil> join #ubuntu
[17:42] <DarthFrog> israfil:  it's "/join"
[17:49] <ramesh> needs to start dhclient manually
[17:50] <israfil> hello, i have got a problem. I did "sudo update.grub" and now i can not log on to the new kernel. I have Ubuntu Lucid and Kubuntu Hardy Heron. Hardy Herons Kernel was updated and i cannot log in there.
[17:51] <israfil> it is only shown the screen where it says "Running local boot scripts [etc]"
[18:03] <danub> hey all. are the repos for kubuntu the same as ubuntu?
[18:03] <rork> danub: yes
[18:04] <danub> ok, next question, how can I make kdm the primary desktop manager instead of gnome? I tried setting it as KDE in the login screen but its still the gnome version with the option to change to gnome, failsafe, kde, and fluxbox
[18:06] <rork> danub: `sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm` should do the job
[18:07] <danub> ok, thank you :D
[18:11] <danub> another question concerning wallets. On my gnome side, my network automatically logs in to the wireless, on the KDE side, it asks to open my wallet before it will connect. how can I change that behavior to just allow it to connect?
[18:12] <agu10^> yes me too
[18:12] <agu10^> how do I leave my wallet open?
[18:13] <agu10^> I want kubuntu to be able to steal from my wallet
[18:13] <agu10^> :@
[18:13] <iconmefisto> disable kdewallet
[18:13] <agu10^> every time I connect to WIFI, the freaking wallet asks for permission
[18:13] <agu10^> I don't want to disable the wallet, but I don't want it to ask me every time
[18:14] <agu10^> I already gave it to it!
[18:14] <rork> you can also set a blank password for your wallet
[18:14] <James147> danub: agu10^: you can configure network manager to store the passkeys in an unencrypted file
[18:14] <danub> how do we go about doing either of those?
[18:15] <James147> ^^ that is safer then using an unencrypted wallet :)
[18:15] <agu10^> uh
[18:15] <agu10^> how do I do that?
[18:15] <iconmefisto> agu10^: knetworkmanager
[18:16] <James147> danub: network widget > manage connections > Other
[18:16] <agu10^> iconmefisto, I don't understand. try to make a full sentence
[18:17] <danub> ok, done. thank you :D
[18:17] <iconmefisto> agu10^: type alt+F2 and type knetworkmanager
[18:17] <danub> i turned off the wallet and sotred in plain file
[18:17] <James147> iconmefisto: ^^ kubuntu 10.10 uses the network widget by default (afaik) and removed knetworkmanager
[18:17] <danub> so i should be good now
[18:18] <agu10^> iconmefisto, it doesn't find anything
[18:18] <iconmefisto> agu10^: see what James147 just said
[18:18] <agu10^> ok, then what should I do?
[18:19] <James147> agu10^: see my comment above to danub
[18:19] <agu10^> to make it not ask the password when I turn the computer on
[18:19] <agu10^> James147, I did.
[18:19] <agu10^> it uses the network widget instead of knetworkmanager
[18:19] <agu10^> so what?
[18:20] <James147> agu10^:  network widget > manage connections > Other ...
[18:20] <agu10^> James147, ok, thanks
[18:20] <danub> agu10^: or disable it by going to settings -> system settings -> advanced -> kwallet -> uncheck "use kwallet"
[18:20] <agu10^> no
[18:23] <James147> danub: ^^ what will disable all password managment, so you have to remember the password for everyting else...
[18:23] <James147> best option is to tell network manager to use an unencrypted file and leave kwallet enabled
[18:23] <agu10^> yes
[18:24] <danub> I dont store passwords so that is fine by me :D
[18:27] <danub> another thing i need to change is the mouse gestures. I have a touchpad and it does random actions when im moving the mouse
[18:28] <James147> !touchpad
[18:28] <danub> there, think i got that squared away now
[18:28] <danub> yep :D much better
[18:29] <danub> ok, one more thing lol. How can i set hotkeys to open a terminal?
[18:30] <danub> i went looking thru te keyboard options but I dont see a terminal shortcut option
[18:30] <James147> danub: right click kmenu > edit menu > find the application > advanced
[18:30] <agu10^> is there any standard terminal shortcut?
[18:30] <agu10^> if I don't make my own, is there any?
[18:31] <James147> ^^ that way you can set a shotcut for any application, not just the terminal :)
[18:31] <James147> agu10^: not any standard ones, but its not hard to configure one
[18:31] <danub> ahh, sweet :D
[18:31] <danub> didn't know how to do that in kde. I like that better then the gnome way
[18:31] <agu10^> James147, seems odd, why would there not be a standard terminal shortcut?
[18:32] <agu10^> people don't use the console?
[18:32] <danub> bloody marvelous
[18:32] <James147> ^^ lota people do, although with krunner and the start menu, its not that hard to launch konsole :) its also very easy to set up a shotcut key
[18:33] <James147> but I dont know why there isent a default key (dont think any application has one to be honest)
[18:33] <agu10^> is there any way to open the start menu with a shortcut?
[18:33] <James147> agu10^: "kmenuedit" is the program
[18:33] <agu10^> ?
[18:33] <danub> do what he said for me
[18:33] <James147> agu10^: wait sorry :p, alt + f1 is the default
[18:33] <agu10^> I press the 'super' key and nothing :(
[18:34] <DarthFrog> If you have yakuake set to run upon startup, a console is only a F12 keypress away.
[18:34] <agu10^> cool!
[18:34] <danub> DarthFrog: now that i have a shortcut key set, im only a ctrl+t away
[18:34] <danub> :P
[18:34] <DarthFrog> danub: :-)
[18:35] <James147> agu10^: the meta key (the win key) is a modifier key in linux... it behaves like alt and crtl, so programs wont respond to just pressing it normally
[18:35] <James147> think there is a way to configre that but I do not know how
[18:38] <iconmefisto> you need to set the key to something else, with xmodmap
[18:39] <agu10^> hey
[18:39] <agu10^> is there something like after effects for linux?
[18:40] <James147> after effects?
[18:41] <iconmefisto> video editing?
[18:41] <iconmefisto> kdenlive is not bad
[18:46] <agu10^> what does non-linear animation mean?
[18:47] <DarthFrog> Running around in circles.
[18:47] <iconmefisto> lol
[18:52] <agu10^> ?
[19:33] <Guest37586> Hi. How to set disc write speed for k3b?
[19:34]  * James147 think s its one of the options when you go to burn a disk
[19:34] <Guest37586> it ignores the option
[19:34] <James147> it does?
[19:34] <Guest37586> I do not want to write on max speed
[19:35] <Guest37586> yes. I specify 8x manually, but it writes on 16x anyway
[19:35] <James147> it never use to ignore that option for me :S
[19:35] <iconmefisto> how can you tell it ignores it?
[19:36] <Guest37586> It is displayed before writing: Starting at 16x or somesthing like this
[19:39] <danub> back again. How can I turn off the startup sound?
[19:39] <James147> danub: system settings > nofifications
[19:39] <James147> notifications ^^
[19:40] <danub> thats what I thought, but its not listed under the applications
[19:40] <sourcemaker_> how can I configure gpg... at the moment it does not work because of some errors related to the gpg service...
[19:40] <danub> lol nevermind
[19:40] <danub> im just blind ;P
[19:40] <James147> danub: "kde workspace" under the even source
[19:40] <danub> i was looking for "startup" not, KDE system notifications
[19:42] <danub> marvelous. by the time I leave work today, my KDE should be nice and pretty for me :D
[19:42] <Guest37586> so, no ideas about k3b write speed? Google has found a bunch of references to similar k3b bugreports since 2004
[19:42] <danub> Guest37586: i just got here. what was your question?
[19:43] <Guest37586> k3b ignores manually entered write speed option
[19:43] <Guest37586> it offer only 16x and ignores if I type 8x there
[19:43] <Guest37586> and writes at 16x finally
[19:44] <Guest37586> DVD+R blank discs
[19:44] <danub> hmm, i got nothing. I only have a netbook and no dvd/cd-rom
[19:44] <danub> lol sorry :(
[19:45] <danub> lemme see what i can come up with real quick
[19:48] <Guest37586> Ok. Another question: Why kscreenlocker is not accepting _RIGHT_ password?
[19:49] <Guest37586> It has stopped working after it crashed one day
[19:51] <Guest37586> How to fix it?
[19:52] <James147> Guest37586: try creating a new user and see if it works for them :)
[19:53] <Guest37586> Good advice, thank you. I will try. If it will work for the new user, then what to do next?
[19:53] <iconmefisto> Guest37586: in k3b, have you tried choosing a burn program to see if it burns slower? maybe growisofs?
[19:53] <James147> Guest37586: try renaming kscreensavers settings (probally in ~/.kde/share/config somewhere)
[19:54] <rtdos> my webhost uses cpanel, is there a file manager that i can use to copy files from my local machine to my website?
[19:55] <Guest37586> James147: thank you.
[19:55] <iconmefisto> rtdos: dolphin can do ftp if that's what you mean
[20:00] <rtdos> ok i will try that iconmefisto
[20:05] <k0s> hi
[20:31] <shane4ubuntu> any networking people in here?
[20:31] <James147> !ask | shane4ubuntu
[20:32] <shane4ubuntu> I traditionally hate network-manager, and ALWAYS use wicd.  However with the change of desktop I thought I would give network-manager a chance,  how do I specify my ip?  and how do I get it to show that I'm connected in the system tray?
[20:34] <shane4ubuntu> I mean, really it shouldn't be that difficult to specify a static ip address right?
[20:36] <James147> shane4ubuntu: should be ableto do all that from the network widget
[20:36] <shane4ubuntu> network widget?  I must be missing that.
[20:36] <James147> shane4ubuntu: if its not there add the widget to the system tray (right click the systray > configer systray ... ) or teh panel
[20:37] <James147> shane4ubuntu: if you cant find it then see if you have plasma-widget-networkmanagement installed
[20:38] <shane4ubuntu> James147: I checked that first ;) it is installed, and added it to the panel, tinkering now
[20:39] <shane4ubuntu1> James147: simple enough, I had setup a connection in the System Settings Network thing, but was having trouble figuring out how to use it.
[20:39] <shane4ubuntu1> James147: thanks!  That did it.
[20:52] <shane4ubuntu> James ok, that worked
[20:52] <shane4ubuntu> James147: ^^^
[20:53] <shane4ubuntu> James147: thanks.
[20:53] <James147> good :)
[20:59] <shane4ubuntu> ok, probably another simple problem due to my ignorance of kde desktop, I installed Google-Desktop search thing, and the icon shows up in the system tray, when I right click on it and select preferences, or index status it never brings anything up??  Any ideas??
[21:00] <James147> shane4ubuntu: to remove it? or get it working?
[21:00] <shane4ubuntu> James147: get it working, or so I can see what the progress is
[21:01] <James147> shane4ubuntu: sorry, dont know anything about it... all i know is it is ment to be a desktop indexer? ... if so why do you need it, nepomuk/strigi does that
[21:02] <shane4ubuntu> James147: because strigi never runs longer than about 1hour on my computer and crashes. :(
[21:02]  * James147 notes that nepomuk/strigi is much better intergrated into kde
[21:02] <James147> shane4ubuntu: hmm, what version of kde?
[21:02] <shane4ubuntu> I would rather use strigi, but strigi doesn't like me.
[21:03] <iconmefisto> shane4ubuntu: does it find anything if you search? (google desktop)
[21:03] <shane4ubuntu> 4.5.4
[21:03] <yofel> me neither, nepomuk has become a real resource hog in 4.6 :/
[21:03] <shane4ubuntu> iconmefisto: well, I can't seem to figure out how to search the desktop
[21:04] <iconmefisto> shane4ubuntu: I think there is a keyboard shortcut. alt+spacebar maybe?
[21:04] <shane4ubuntu> iconmefisto: oh, you mean strigi?
[21:04]  * James147 thinks strigi it slowly improving... and hope that by 4.6 release it wont be such a pain :p
[21:04] <iconmefisto> shane4ubuntu: no, google desktop
[21:04] <shane4ubuntu> no alt-space does nothing
[21:05] <shane4ubuntu> iconmefisto: so it is installed, but seems odd that nothing is working correctly with it.
[21:05] <yofel> James147: so far in 4.6 strigi continues to index while on battery for me, and nepomukfilewatch uses an insane amount of disk I/O after login for like 20mins :S - I hope rc2 will be better
[21:06] <James147> yofel: have noticed it rev up my cpu a few times, but not normally all that often, only needed to kill it once so far when it ppeared to eat up my memory :S
[21:06]  * James147 hopes rc2 will improve things as well
[21:07] <iconmefisto> shane4ubuntu: double-click the systray icon
[21:08] <shane4ubuntu> iconmefisto: Ohh, a search box!  now we are getting somewhere, I just had a thought, it is probably the config files in ~/.google that are a problem from when I had it installed before, the config was probably different since I had Gnome then!
[21:08] <rick___> de.newusers.infos
[21:09] <rick___> kde
[21:09] <James147> shane4ubuntu: gnome/kde shouldnt make any difference to the config files of a thrid part app... shouldnt... but then again google do some weird stuff with their apps
[21:10] <James147> shane4ubuntu: though, that dosent mean something else mucked them up ;)
[21:10] <shane4ubuntu> James147: well, it is just odd because it has always worked well for me
[21:10] <yofel> wtf... just wondered why strigi isn't even running and found this in .xsession-errors o.O http://paste.ubuntu.com/550811/
[21:10] <James147> didnt muck them up ^^
[21:12] <shane4ubuntu> thanks iconmefisto at least it does a search
[21:15] <shane4ubuntu> hmm, well moving that folder didn't help much, is there any other indexing options I have for KDE?  every time I try to file a bug on strigi it says not enough info.
[21:21] <rork> shane4ubuntu: did you install the debug symbols?
[21:22] <shane4ubuntu> rork: yep, I told it to install all the extra stuff it needed to file reports
[21:22] <rork> ok
[21:22] <rork> not much more you can do then I guess :(
[21:33] <Bauldrick> if I'm running irssi on a server is there anything I can connect to it with through kubuntu (asides ssh)
[21:35] <yofel> hm, I only know irssi in combination with screen and ssh (using yakuake as a terminal is nice in that case) - how about trying quassel as core/client?
[21:38] <otta> nabend
[21:48] <otta> anyone successfully installed ait x1950pro with 3d accl?
[21:54] <ajusdMT> Good afternoon folks. I have a question that I'm hoping has an easy answer... Using KDE's network manager, is there a way I can setup a wireless connection, and then hide the password so that others cannot see it? If I use the wallet, it blocks others from opening the configuration window, but then they can't initiate the wireless connection either. Anyone have thoughts or suggestions? Thanks.
[21:57] <Tm_T> ajusdMT: set it to be system connection
[21:57] <Tm_T> this way the password is saved system-wide but not shown to the user
[21:57] <ajusdMT> Excellent, thank you much for the advice. will give that a whirl
[22:01] <ajusdMT> Odd. The "System connection" option is greyed out. I'm using Kubuntu 10.10. Is there something else I need to look at or have installed? Thanks again.
[22:12] <Fleck> anybody can help with multicast routing?
[22:39] <pulaski> Hi, I currently run kubuntu 10.04 LTS lucid lynx under KDE 4.5.3 on an amd 64 box. Playing CDs with differant audio player software is problematic, especially with KsCD and amarok 4.3.2. Does anyone know if the new amarok 2.4 beta or any audo player software for that matter has improved to the point where I can actually play audio CDs with my an amd 64 box under kubuntu 10.10?
[23:10] <Res_> Buen año a todos, como agrego en ubuntu 10.10 en el xorg que tengo un monitor LCD Samsung p2350
[23:11] <Res_> lo tengo abierto
[23:44] <tony__> i'm using realtek spdif out. should i normally have to find a driver or does it work for most people? it's not showing up


[00:26] <genoobie> hey
[00:27] <genoobie> I am trying to map a network drive and I am kind of stuck
[03:56] <Folklore> trying to get lubuntu installed in vbox
[03:56] <Folklore> so far no dice
[04:01] <holstein> Folklore: would you like to talk about it?
[04:01] <Folklore> first time I tried it had some kinda error, forced me to reboot
[04:02] <Folklore> next time I have the cd(is iso on my computer) checked
[04:02] <Folklore> now it seems to be installing
[04:03] <holstein> yeah, i have had plenty of those 'some kind' of errors
[04:03] <holstein> vbox *will* do it though... not sure what you are experiencing
[04:10] <Folklore> yeah i'm just trying to intsall a linux that has a GUI and gcc
[04:10] <Folklore> lol
[04:10] <Folklore> ubuntu too slow,and unity was annoying
[04:11] <Folklore> someone recommend lubuntu
[04:18] <holstein> lubuntu is ubuntu with LXDE
[04:18] <holstein> if you have that ubuntu install with unity still around, you just install LXDE, or lubuntu-desktop
[04:19] <Folklore> nah deleted it and dang
[04:19] <Folklore> thought was more light weight than that
[04:21] <holstein> ?
[04:21] <holstein> than what?
[04:21] <holstein> the other ubuntu?
[04:21] <holstein> it is
[04:21] <Folklore> in the install I see this channel being advertised right now! yay!
[04:21] <Folklore> holstein yeah
[04:21] <holstein> lubuntu is very light
[04:21] <holstein> but its using the same repos
[04:21] <Folklore> have you tested in vbox?
[04:21] <holstein> Folklore: sure
[04:22] <holstein> and on metal
[04:22] <Folklore> you manage to get the shared folder workin?
[04:22] <Folklore> need a way to get my source onto it
[04:22] <Folklore> had trouble getting vbox to do that with other ubuntu install
[04:22] <Folklore> installed its guest tools
[04:22] <Folklore> etc... idk
[04:22] <holstein> sure
[04:22] <holstein> or dropbox
[04:23] <Folklore> ahh good idea
[04:23] <holstein> or a USB stick passed through
[04:23] <Folklore> I do have that installed in my host os
[04:23] <holstein> or ssh
[04:23] <holstein> ftp... whatever
[04:23] <Folklore> you're clever thanks
[04:23] <holstein> :)
[04:23] <Folklore> usb install froze my host os too,idk haven't had very good luck with vbox thus far
[04:24] <Folklore> but vmware expires in a few weeks
[04:24] <holstein> USB install?
[04:24] <Folklore> yeah in vbox
[04:24] <holstein> i have only used the downloaded iso
[04:24] <holstein> a virtual CD image
[04:24] <Folklore> no I mean't to share files
[04:24] <Folklore> from host to guest
[04:25] <holstein> Folklore: you need to add that functionality to vbox
[04:25] <holstein> USB support
[04:25] <Folklore> my lbuntu being installed from an iso no my host harddrive
[04:25] <Folklore> yeah that froze my computer idk why
[04:25] <holstein> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/02/get-your-usb-drives-to-work-with.html
[04:26] <holstein> not sure whats up with your host
[04:26] <holstein> i have ubuntu hosts
[04:26] <Folklore> my host is xp sp3
[04:27] <holstein> yeah, who knows
[04:27] <holstein> is that still supported?
[04:27] <Folklore> i'd imagine so
[04:27] <holstein> ?
[04:27] <holstein> heres a good troubleshooting tip... assuming nothing
[04:27] <Folklore> i'll try it again later
[04:27] <holstein> XP is 10 years old
[04:28] <holstein> i dont know if its still supported
[04:28] <Folklore> vbox download has xp listed
[04:28] <Folklore> and yes xp is still Microsoft supported
[04:28]  * holstein shrugs
[04:28] <Folklore> and xp rocks :D
[04:29] <holstein> i liked XP
[04:29] <holstein> i couldnt imagine using it now
[04:29] <Folklore> why's that
[04:29] <holstein> its just a bit dated for my needs/wants
[04:29] <Folklore> sp3 came out in 2008
[04:30] <Folklore> neither computer hardware or software has really changed that much in 3 years lol
[04:30] <JadedJacob> the smart status on my drive says "Disk has a few bad sectors" How can I scan for bad sectors in ubuntu?
[04:30] <Folklore> my computers old anyway, 6-9 years at least
[04:31] <holstein> JadedJacob: you can check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SystemAdministration/Fsck
[04:31] <holstein> you can use a live CD... you dont want to do that while its mounted
[04:32] <holstein> i like http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ .. but any live diagnostic CD'll do the trick :)
[04:32] <holstein> Folklore: ubuntu 11.10 is quite different than ubuntu 10.04
[04:32] <Folklore> how so? cause of unity?
[04:32] <holstein> i find the linux distros are able to move a litte faster
[04:33] <Folklore> just got lubuntu installed yay!
[04:33] <holstein> which can be good or bad
[04:34] <JadedJacob> REALLOCATED SECTORS COUNT,normalized:97, worst: 97, threshold 36, value 136 sectors
[04:35] <holstein> JadedJacob: yeah... just back up your data, and cross your fingers
[04:35] <holstein> thats not as scary as ive seen
[04:36] <Folklore> lubuntu startup is pretty
[04:37] <holstein> yeah, its quite elegant for how light it is
[04:37] <JadedJacob> oh yeah, there's no way i'd put anything valuable on this machine
[04:37] <JadedJacob> so is it saying i have 136 bad sectors?
[04:38] <holstein> JadedJacob: relocated
[04:38] <holstein> and thats fine... there should be room for some bad ones
[04:38] <JadedJacob> ok I've just done a fresh install of lubuntu
[04:38] <holstein> mabye not 136, not sure
[04:38] <holstein> depends on the drive
[04:40] <JadedJacob> i'm a bit confused, does lubuntu detect bad sectors on the "/" partition during install?
[04:41] <holstein> JadedJacob: i think thats baked into the drive ?
[04:41] <holstein> not sure...
[04:47] <Folklore> can't get vbox
[04:47] <Folklore> guest addtions to install it popped up a cd rom in lubuntu and has files
[04:47] <Folklore> tried right clicking and clicked execute in terminal
[04:47] <Folklore> not doin anything
[04:50] <Folklore> nevermind got it
[04:51] <Folklore> had to just execute not execute in terminal
[04:52] <Joe___> Ethernet adapter installed and finding live network.  Sea monkey not able to find / connect to web pages.
[04:53] <Joe___> Using wireless with wep.
[04:58] <Folklore> Let me just say
[04:58] <Folklore> lubuntu is absolutely a piece of art
[04:58] <Folklore> it's not destroying my harddrive and cpu like ubuntu did
[04:59] <Joe___> Finding that
[04:59] <Folklore> this things barely using anything and runs fast, i'm very happy
[04:59] <Folklore> thank you all who've made it what it is
[05:01] <Folklore> any know what chrome uses for its gui/
[05:09] <JohnDoe_71Rus> Joe___: check up permissions /etc/resolv.conf if synaptic work fine
[05:56] <Folklore> dang trying to get gtk+ installed
[05:56] <Folklore> and read sudo aptitude install gnome-core-devel build-essential
[05:56] <Folklore> so changed to sudo apt-get install gnome-core-devel build-essential
[05:56] <Folklore> now is install this behemoth thats like 400mbs :(
[05:57] <Folklore> think sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev is all I needed
[10:35] <marko> Hi, how can I enable auto-login?
[10:38] <JohnDoe_71Rus> marko: sudo leafpad /etc/xdg/lubuntu/lxdm/lxdm.conf options autologin=user_name
[10:38] <Unit193> !gksu
[10:39] <Unit193> Correct location is /etc/lxdm/lxdm.conf
[10:41] <JohnDoe_71Rus> Unit193: no
[10:41] <JohnDoe_71Rus> it is link
[10:41] <marko> Ok, do you know if there is a GUI for autologin? I forgot what it was...
[10:42] <Unit193> JohnDoe_71Rus: Not what ls -l shows for me >_>
[10:45] <JohnDoe_71Rus> Unit193: somebody do test  /etc/lxdm/lxdm.conf not work. else present etc/lxdm/default.conf -> /etc/alternatives/lxdm.conf -> /etc/xdg/lubuntu/lxdm/lxdm.conf
[10:47] <bioterror> it once was: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#How_to_enable_automatic_logon_in_LXDM
[10:48] <Unit193> I'll have to check the autologin, see if it works
[10:48] <Unit193> 6am logic tells me that's what JohnDoe has
[13:09] <Neosano> is installing lubuntu daily okay?
[13:10] <Neosano> I mean, would I get all of the updates every day or I would have to reinstall from time to time?
[13:26] <iceroot> Neosano: updating the system with apt-get/aptitude will be ok
[13:26] <Neosano> ok :)
[13:26] <Neosano> I hope it's not that unstable
[13:38] <iceroot> Neosano: 12.04 is unstable, so use 11.10
[13:38] <iceroot> Neosano: daily builts are from 12.04
[13:42] <Neosano> yeah, I know...
[13:42] <Neosano> well I'm on 11.10 right now, but I screwed it up a little bit.
[13:42] <Neosano> don't want to install same version :)
[13:43] <iceroot> Neosano: then use unstable
[13:53] <uris> anyone gotten  windowmaker or xfce to work on lubuntu?
[13:53] <uris> i installed them from the repository, but when I can't log in to them
[14:20] <vanyok> Hello everybody. I have one small^W big note for lubuntu.net website. There is a typo on all pages including the main page: on the right side it should be written NOT 11.11 but version 11.10! Please, forward this to website maintainer. Thank you!
[14:22] <vanyok> Is it a message for #lubuntu-offtopic? I think it's a topic, not offtopic.
[14:23] <vanyok> OK, hope you've got it there. Mission completed. :) Have a nice day everyone!
[14:29] <Neosano> vanyok, haha, I noticed it too :D
[14:31] <vanyok> BTW, who is maintaining the website now? I remember there were some discussions and nobody wanted to take this.
[16:49] <kaipanoi> Greets! So, I've read FAQ/Guide and FAQ/Workarounds and I'm looking through the forums now, but I can't seem to configure my Lubuntu machines to leave the monitors on. They keep putting the monitors to sleep. Screensaver is disabled. Where is the power manager in Lubuntu?
[17:05] <kaipanoi> Okay, there's apparently no link in the menu to 'xfce4-power-manager-settings', which is what I was missing.
[20:02] <david_j_r> Hi - I'm trying to setup setxkbmap in Lubuntu - is there an app to tell me the names of keys?
[20:02] <david_j_r> e.g., by detecting keystroke?
[20:04] <bioterror> https://launchpad.net/lxkeymap
[20:06] <david_j_r> Thanks bioterror - I'm looking at it right now (the app is open, I mean)
[20:06] <david_j_r> but I don't see how it would tell me the name of a given key-stroke or combination?
[20:07] <david_j_r> This is for "key binding" purpose (if I have my terms right!)
[20:10] <david_j_r> Or failing that - just a list of "canonical" key names?
[20:11] <bioterror> I really cant fill your needs as I'm using always one and same keyboard layout. sorry for that
[20:12] <david_j_r> Thanks anyway - I've been googling and this may tell me what I'm trying to find out:
[20:12] <david_j_r> http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/xev-determine_custom_keybindings
[20:22] <david_j_r> @bioterror - xev was what I needed! works perfectly, and already available in Lubuntu. :)
[20:51] <adsworth> Hi, the Lubuntu 11.10 live system and im Ubuntu minimal install with LXDM as the login manager only boots to the console on my notebook. If I log into the console I can startx. Starting lxdm via sudo also works.
[20:51] <adsworth> Any one have a tip where I can look?
[20:51] <bioterror> sudo dpkg-reconfigure lxdm
[20:52] <adsworth> tried that. but I'll happily try again. As I metnion the Lubuntu live cd has the same problem where X doesn't automatically start.
[20:53] <bioterror> have you checked logs
[20:53] <bioterror> Xorg.0.log for example from /var/log/
[20:54] <adsworth> yeah, I chaecked Xorg.log lxdm.log but haven't really found anything useful.
[20:54] <adsworth> strange thing is that a sudo lxdm will launch it fine.
[20:54] <bioterror> how about sudo service lxdm start?
[20:55] <adsworth> will try that. bbiab
[20:55] <bioterror> and remember to check logs
[20:55] <bioterror> those usually tells what's the problem
[20:55] <bioterror> also startx is nice
[20:56] <bioterror> or rather: startlubuntu
[20:56] <bioterror> instead of startx
[20:56] <adsworth> I know, haven't found anything that piqued my interest yet.
[21:10] <adsworth> back again.
[21:11] <adsworth> reconfigure didn't help. and the Xorg.log doesn't show anything obvious for me. I pasted Xorg.log here http://dpaste.org/B2v2v/
[21:12] <adsworth> lxdm.log shows a CIRITICAL error but no info. paste is here http://dpaste.org/8pjpe/.
[21:13] <coolmag> Hi does anyone know how to get that Ubuntu Software Manager thingy for Lubuntu?
[21:14] <coolmag> And did the Lubuntu site dissapear?
[21:14] <bioterror> adsworth, could be worth to use nvidia's closed source drivers
[21:14] <adsworth> I just find it strange that a service start lxdm works fine.
[21:14] <adsworth> and gdm or xdm work fine aswell.
[21:15] <xsaidx> coolmag: add the lubuntu ppa  update the repo's  then sud o apt-get install lubuntu-software-center
[21:16] <coolmag> um xsaidx : I'm completely new to this linux stuff umm how do you add the ppa and update the repo's?
[21:16] <xsaidx> hang on
[21:22] <xsaidx> coolmag: bookmark this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1844755
[21:22] <coolmag> :o xsaidx  THANKS
[21:22] <xsaidx> coolmag: np
[22:04] <cjohnston> How do I add a a startup application to lubuntu
[22:05] <bioterror> cjohnston, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#How_I_can_autostart_a_program_when_logging_in_to_Desktop
[22:07] <cjohnston> bioterror: so I assume if I'm wanting synergy to start automatically, I need a synergy.desktop?
[22:08] <cjohnston> which i dont see
[22:10] <coolmag> How do you run a program as root?
[22:10] <holstein> coolmag: what are you trying to run?
[22:11] <coolmag> :o ohai holstein um PPS
[22:12] <holstein> when running a program as root, you really need to ask, 'why?'
[22:13] <coolmag> i see
[22:14] <holstein> coolmag: you open a terminal and run sudo
[22:14] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[22:14] <holstein> ^^ for example
[22:14] <holstein> that runs apt-get as root and updates the package list
[22:16] <coolmag> this magical linux stuff doesn't need antivirus right
[22:18] <holstein> coolmag: linux doesnt
[22:18] <holstein> you might
[22:18] <holstein> if you run random things as root, you might want it ;)
[22:22] <phillw> coolmag: it is an article I wrote a while back, but it does still applly http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=17
[22:23] <holstein> i have a pretty strict 'do what makes you feel safe' policy for security
[22:25] <coolmag> Hm is defragmenting necessary?
[22:26] <phillw> coolmag: no, the ext4 system is pretty much self defragging
[22:28] <phillw> it is not 100%, but there is no need to shut your system down, just ensure you keep all disks below 90% full.
[22:29] <coolmag> ? so I don't ever need to defrag?
[22:30] <holstein> coolmag: correct
[22:31] <holstein> you leave enough free disk space, and you never need to defrag
[22:31] <coolmag> Great and wut happened to the Lubuntu site?
[22:32] <holstein> coolmag: i think there is an hosting issue being resolved
[22:32] <phillw> coolmag: soz, I'm still giggling .. some one actually tried to defrag the hard drive they were working on.
[22:36] <phillw> coolmag: they are re-desining it
[23:20] <coolmag> Hey could I ask why a random program isn't working?
[23:20] <coolmag> It seems like it was designed for Ubuntu 8.10+
[23:21] <wxl> youre setting up a script to pick a program at random to run? ;)
[23:21] <wxl> you know, software's not all that good with real randomness
[23:22] <wxl> ok, i'll shut up now
[23:22] <wxl> what program coolmag
[23:22] <coolmag> it's this internet streaming thing at www.pps.tv
[23:22] <coolmag> it's called PPStream or something
[23:22] <wxl> "thing"
[23:22] <coolmag> I always have to run it twice before it loads, and then after it does it still doesn't function properly.
[23:23] <wxl> how did you install?
[23:24] <wxl> ther's no oneiric version available
[23:24] <wxl> anychance you're on 11.04?
[23:25] <wxl> if so:
[23:25] <wxl> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:cnav/ppa
[23:25] <wxl> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ppstream
[23:25] <coolmag> :o does that work?
[23:25] <wxl> *IF* you're on natty/11.04
[23:25] <coolmag> um oh no i'm on 11.10
[23:26] <coolmag> i think.
[23:26] <wxl> there's no oneiric version
[23:26] <coolmag> Oh there's not? :|
[23:26] <wxl> lsb_release
[23:26] <wxl> https://launchpad.net/~cnav/+archive/ppa
[23:26] <coolmag> so i can't run it
[23:26] <wxl> read and weep
[23:28] <wxl> hah! it may be gone for good too http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Linux/31266733.html
[23:29] <wxl> wish i could read chinese i might be of more help
[23:29] <wxl> there's this
[23:29] <wxl> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/blog/post/2/643
[23:29] <coolmag> Do you know anything about this : http://code.google.com/p/totem-pps/
[23:30] <coolmag> The installation guide is crazy and I don't understand it T_T
[23:31] <wxl> don't know a darn thing about ppstream
[23:31] <wxl> looks like it may get around the need for the proprietary (?) client
[23:31] <wxl> but it requires you to build from source which most people aren't happy with
[23:33] <coolmag> yeah exactly it looks like it gets around the required usage of the client
[23:33] <coolmag> but how do i install it
[23:33] <coolmag> and wut is totem
[23:34] <wxl> http://code.google.com/p/totem-pps/
[23:34] <wxl> oops
[23:34] <wxl> http://projects.gnome.org/totem/
[23:35] <wxl> you follow the instructions
[23:37] <coolmag> oh and then i can install the other thing?
[23:37] <coolmag> the PPS thing or do I need to compile somehow @_@
[23:37] <coolmag> oh also the lubuntu screenscaver things says something about not having the screensaver packages installed how do I do that @_@ is it in the synaptic thing
[23:38] <wxl> yep yep yep
[23:38] <wxl> you need totem
[23:38] <wxl> and you need to compile totem-pps et all
[23:38] <wxl> not for the squeamish
[23:38] <wxl> and the screensaver packages are in synaptic
[23:38] <wxl> look for xscreensaver and you'll find them
[23:39] <coolmag> um is there an easy way to compile T_T
[23:39] <coolmag> i'm very squeamish
[23:39] <wxl> no
[23:39] <coolmag> very new to this linux thing
[23:39] <wxl> then i would in general suggest against it unless you feel adventurous
[23:39] <coolmag> aw :|
[23:40] <coolmag> so it's not as simple as following the steps in the wiki
[23:40] <wxl> well it is
[23:41] <wxl> give it a shot
[23:41] <wxl> it's unlikely you're going to break anything
[23:41] <coolmag> i think i already have.
[23:42] <wxl> from what i can tell that program is broken, period
[23:44] <coolmag> oh if i installed 9.04 would it work?
[23:44] <KM0201> Lubuntu doesn't have a version 9.04
[23:44] <wxl> 11.04 would work with those directions above
[23:44] <KM0201> not to mention 9.04 is EOL.
[23:44] <wxl> SHOULD Wwork
[23:44] <wxl> there's no guarantee of no bugs
[23:45] <wxl> technically the program is compltely and totally unsupported by canonical
[23:46] <phillw> coolmag: Lubuntu 9.04 never got a release, please do not use it. It was a "proof of concept", nothing more.
[23:47] <phillw> same with 9.10
[23:47] <phillw> 10.04 was really our 1st 'real' release.
[23:49] <coolmag2> Uh when I did the Totem thing I got this : Package totem-gstreamer is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[23:49] <coolmag2> (when I did sudo apt-get install totem-gstreamer)
[23:49] <coolmag2> do I include the $ sign
[23:50] <phillw> coolmag no you do not, but what version are you using>?
[23:50] <coolmag2> Um of Lubuntu?
[23:50] <coolmag2> I think 11.10
[23:50] <wxl> give us the output of "lsb_release" coolmag2
[23:50] <wxl> (no quotes)
[23:51] <coolmag2> No LSB modules are available.
[23:51] <wxl> ooops
[23:51] <wxl> "lsb_release -a"
[23:51] <wxl> sorry
[23:52] <coolmag2> uh should i paste that somewhere will i get kicked for flooding
[23:52] <KM0201> pastebin.com
[23:52] <coolmag2> No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID:	Ubuntu Description:	Ubuntu 11.10 Release:	11.10 Codename:	oneiric
[23:52] <coolmag2> nevemrind
[23:52] <coolmag2> never*
[23:53] <wxl> so yep, 11.10
[23:53] <KM0201> youc an also install pastebinit , and paste straight from the terminal.
[23:53]  * KM0201 really likes pastebinit
[23:53] <coolmag2> ok wut do I do
[23:54] <KM0201> what do you do for what?
[23:54] <coolmag2> installing totem
[23:54] <coolmag2> I'm erroring
[23:54] <KM0201> open synaptic
[23:54] <coolmag2> Package totem-gstreamer is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source However the following packages replace it:   totem-plugins-extra
[23:54] <KM0201> ok
[23:54] <KM0201> open synaptic
[23:55] <coolmag2> ok
[23:55] <KM0201> in synaptic
[23:55] <KM0201> click settings/repositories
[23:55] <KM0201> that'll open upa  window called "software sources"
[23:55] <wxl> there is no oneiric toem-gstreamer
[23:55] <KM0201> there isn't?
[23:55] <wxl> nope
[23:55] <wxl> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=totem-gstreamer
[23:56] <wxl> ended with natty
[23:56] <KM0201> hmm
[23:56] <wxl> i'm confused
[23:56] <wxl> totem is based on gstreamer
[23:56] <wxl> it's a dependency
[23:56] <KM0201> yeah, that makes no sense
[23:57] <KM0201> !info gstreamer0
[23:57] <wxl> yeah coolmag2 i'd just install totem
[23:57] <KM0201> hmm, yes it does.
[23:57] <wxl> !info gstreamer
[23:57] <wxl> hah
[23:58] <wxl> !info libgstreamer
[23:58] <coolmag2> @_@
[23:58] <KM0201> wxl: do you have gstreamer0.10-pitfdll   in 11.10?  it looks like it might be a replacement
[23:58] <coolmag2> it says to do that command on the totem site thing
[23:58] <coolmag2> Where can I get it? --> $ sudo apt-get install totem-gstreamer
[23:58] <KM0201> coolmag: hold on a second
[23:58] <wxl> i seem to
[23:59] <wxl> coolmag2: sudo apt-get install totem
[23:59] <KM0201> wxl: i could be wrong, but reading the description, i think thats a replacement
[23:59] <wxl> harumph
[23:59] <wxl> !info gstreamer0.10-pitfdll
[23:59] <KM0201> bizzang


[02:08] <cjwatson> nacc: ah yeah, the oauth thing.  it's awkward, and we probably have to convert to oauthlib or something, but that's probably the best answer for the time being
[13:47] <ricotz> cjwatson, hi :), could you increase this ppa's size a bit, so that I can upload another build -- https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/thunderbird-next/+packages
[13:49] <cjwatson> thunderbird you are porky
[13:49] <cjwatson> ricotz: done
[13:49] <ricotz> cjwatson, it basically goes together with firefox -- thanks!
[13:50] <cjwatson> though I think possibly a reaper job just ran, since it's down to 9.7GiB used now
[13:50] <ricotz> cjwatson, yeah, I was wondering about that too
[13:52] <cjwatson> process-death-row runs every six hours, so I imagine it was that
[14:52] <nacc> cjwatson: yep, np -- I might see if I can push that up to snappy and see if they can carry it as a shared part
[15:24] <savannah> join
[20:07] <s\lver> Hi there, we're having trouble contacting ppa.launchpad.net from one of our locations but not from others. Is is possible to see if we have been blocked?


[01:50] <tomreyn> hggdh: you just got klined on another network for spamming ;)
[01:52] <hggdh> heh
[01:52] <oerheks> oohhhh
[01:52] <hggdh> so there is another hggdh around
[01:52] <hggdh> well, not on gimp and here, at least
[01:53] <hggdh> tomreyn: which network as it?
[01:56] <tomreyn> hggdh: i wont tell, sorry.
[01:56] <hggdh> no prob.
[01:56] <tomreyn> it's the nice part of this botnet that you get to see many known nicks in unusual places
[01:58] <tomreyn> so at least t has a small positive side effect (when over all it is very daunting if not aggravating)
[01:59] <hggdh> tomreyn: so you had the pleasure of seeing me klined ;-)
[02:00] <tomreyn> ;-)
[02:02] <tomreyn> luckily those drones love some kline channels.
[03:20] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:12] <lotuspsychje> its more fun in a graveyard lol
[04:21] <lotuspsychje> !info udevadm
[04:21] <lotuspsychje> !info udevadm xenial
[04:22] <lotuspsychje> !flavors
[04:25] <lotuspsychje> jesus all the flavors channels are dead
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> even #debian stuck at 1400 users
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> normally their ontop of us
[09:02] <lotuspsychje> morning EriC^^
[09:03] <EriC^^> morning lotuspsychje
[11:52] <guiverc> JimBuntu, you found the one I was looking for (talking about), well done; 2-3 years; I'm as accurate as ever (2014)
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> !cookie | JimBuntu telepathy!
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> perhaps this might interest you too EriC^^
 InHisName, https://www.happyassassin.net/2014/01/25/uefi-boot-how-does-that-actually-work-then/
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> as uefi expert :p
[11:54] <JimBuntu> thanks guiverc
[11:54] <EriC^^> nice thanks lotuspsychje
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> not my find :p
[11:56] <EriC^^> well for highlighting me, i wouldnt have seen it otherwise
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> ah ill remember it :p
[11:57] <EriC^^> i actually read guiverc 's post and i was like damn i wish he remembers the link
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> neat
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> well jimbuntu is our glueman
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> !xinput
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> !mouse
[12:58] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:58] <JimBuntu> Great morning to you BluesKaj
[12:59] <BluesKaj> Good Morning to you too, JimBuntu :-)
[13:25] <pragmaticenigma> does anyone know if there is a way to add a delay to an IRC script?
[13:27] <pragmaticenigma> rather, hexchat commands to execute on joining a server?
[13:36] <pragmaticenigma> or... I could probably join channels after I script the login ... that explains soo much
[13:44] <hggdh> pragmaticenigma: if you do not, yet, use SASL as well.
[13:44] <pragmaticenigma> was just reading that in some documentation... any reason?
[13:46] <hggdh> pragmaticenigma: (1) more secure; (2) you only join channels *after* login, so there is no "... has quit (changing hosts)"
[13:47] <hggdh> and good morning to all :-)
[13:47] <oerheks> pragmaticenigma, for what client?
[13:47] <oerheks> hi hggdh
[13:47] <hggdh> morning oerheks
[13:48] <oerheks> https://freenode.net/kb/answer/sasl
[14:00] <pragmaticenigma> stand by... testing
[14:04] <pragmaticenigma> it works!
[14:04] <pragmaticenigma> no more purgatory
[14:04] <oerheks> :-)
[14:06] <pragmaticenigma> I think I hadn't been able to use that in the past because of something in my password
[14:07] <oerheks> i crashed not using my full username
[14:08] <pragmaticenigma> on a different private IRC server, I have to script my login identification... they require idenitify plus a secondary authentication to sync the irc chat with their web chat client
[14:10] <BluesKaj> why a webchat ?
[14:11] <pragmaticenigma> that's whay they did... I don't know why they did it that way
[14:14] <BluesKaj> hexchat is quite good, but quassel is more suited for ubuntu
[14:16] <BluesKaj> or even konversation if you're willing to put up with kde dependencies
[14:19] <pragmaticenigma> I run KDE currently, but prefer hexchat since I can use it on multiple platforms and share the configuration with them
[14:21] <BluesKaj> to me hexchat is a mishmash :-)
[14:22] <pragmaticenigma> on gripe I have with hexchat is the coloring ... They don't have it well documented, and installing themes always scares me
[14:22] <BluesKaj> anyway , grass needs cutting...bbl
[14:27] <pragmaticenigma> do mine too please BluesKaj
[14:28] <oerheks> here the grass is yellow and fluffy/dead
[14:28] <pragmaticenigma> ya, mine is going on week two of really not needing cutting. save for a couple small areas that are typically shadded during the day
[14:29] <oerheks> weeds, as in plants with unknown use, are growing and have beautifull flowers
[14:29] <oerheks> those i have hardly seen, due to mowing the grass regulary
[14:30] <oerheks> you might want to leave an edge uncut, BluesKaj
[14:33] <pragmaticenigma> I have some weeds along the curb.. why they thrive there when nothing else does... is a mystery
[14:35] <oerheks> some are protected too
[14:36] <oerheks> i read some news years back, Dutch Militairy could not move trucks due to those plants, and sell them
[14:36] <oerheks> :-D
[14:36] <oerheks> nature wins
[14:37] <pragmaticenigma> i don't think I have anyone on block... but I feel oerheks is seeing something I'm not?
[14:47] <JimBuntu> pragmaticenigma, It's just been Blues, oer and you for the last 30 minutes
[14:56] <BluesKaj> cutting my lawn is like a haircut, front is done, now just the sides and the back :-)
[15:00]  * oerheks loves smooth legs
[15:00] <oerheks> :-P
[15:00] <BluesKaj> ?
[15:40] <pragmaticenigma> I think oerheks has been hitting the sauce a bit hard today?
[15:50]  * oerheks sniffs garlicbutter
[15:50] <oerheks> :-D
[16:02] <lotuspsychje> evening oerheks BluesKaj
[16:03] <lotuspsychje> tsimonq2: i asked unit to edit topic and add .1 release in #lubuntu
[16:04] <lotuspsychje> tsimonq2: seems like all the flavor channels are pretty dead
[16:05] <oerheks> !ltsupgrade
[16:06] <oerheks> or they have no issues, or on holliday
[16:06] <tsimonq2> lotuspsychje: I really should be an op in my own channel...
[16:06] <lotuspsychje> tsimonq2: yeah...
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> oerheks: the usercount is low, overall, even #debian 1400, they normally 2000
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:09] <leftyfb> nacc: you know he's playing with ADB right?  ADB should be in USB mode and only after enabling both developer mode AND USB Debug... even then, it's another command to activate the TCP connection (normally)
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> confusion in main lol
[17:28] <EriC^^> xD
[17:28] <nacc> who uses exclamation points without thinking...
[17:29] <EriC^^> lol
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> jesus that h7
[17:29] <EriC^^> ubottu getting the wrap
[17:29] <nacc> EriC^^: heh
[17:30] <EriC^^> i think sync /dev/sda1 should work
[17:30] <nacc> EriC^^: in their original question, they only had the mountpoint
[17:31] <nacc> EriC^^: i thought the parameter to sync was a file
[17:31] <EriC^^> same here, but it seems to work
[17:31] <nacc> EriC^^: so if you gave it /dev/sda1, wouldn't it sync a non-real file?
[17:31] <nacc> interesting
[17:31] <nacc> maybe they implemented some smarts
[17:31] <nacc> not sure what that does, as oerheks pointed out, with raid/lvm
[17:31] <EriC^^> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/m87xpr435W/
[17:32] <nacc> EriC^^: right, that does somethjing
[17:32] <nacc> but it's not proof of what it does :)
[17:32] <nacc> you'd need to check the block cache
[17:32] <EriC^^> yeah, an strace should help i think?
[17:32] <nacc> yeah
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> lol
 whois nacc
[17:34] <nacc> heh
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> evening Bashing-om
[19:18] <oerheks> ##ubuntu-my-upgrade-story-no-pastebin
[19:18] <oerheks> :-D
[19:20] <pauljw> hi everyone
[19:22] <oerheks> hi paul
[19:24] <pauljw> oerheks :)
[19:25] <pragmaticenigma> Java 10 support schedule makes absolutely no sense ... haha
[19:25] <pragmaticenigma> they release then immediately EOL it?
[19:25] <tomreyn> i think there is just no plan to provide security patches
[19:25] <tomreyn> upstream, for 10
[19:26] <tomreyn> but can't really find a source for this now.
[19:26] <tomreyn> the best thing we can do is not use java ;-)
[19:27] <oerheks> yes, confusing https://askubuntu.com/questions/1037646/why-is-openjdk-10-packaged-as-openjdk-11
[19:29] <nacc> it was announced around that time
[19:29] <pragmaticenigma> I only use Java for eclipse IDE... so I can develop in Python... if you can figure that one out
[19:29] <pragmaticenigma> haha
[19:29] <nacc> since 11 wasn't out yet, iirc
[19:29] <nacc> and to minimze cross-release number upgrades (which tend to be paniful)
[19:29] <pragmaticenigma> yah, oracle has left a number of companies in a huge lurch because they droped 8 before they had a new stable LTS release out
[19:30] <pragmaticenigma> oracle thought companies would be okay with doing incremental upgrades through 10 to get to the next LTS update
[19:31] <tsimonq2> https://lubuntu.me/taking-a-new-direction/
[19:31] <tsimonq2> Someone ping lotuspsychje when he's around.
[20:00] <Bashing-om> lovepopsickle: He he .. sorry not to have responded .. working UWN .
[21:21] <nacc> "i installed openstack from scratch"
[21:21] <nacc> 5 minutes later
[21:21] <nacc> "i used conjure-up"
[21:21] <nacc> fridays!
[21:22] <oerheks> no worries, it will soon be monday
[21:23] <oerheks> moon is visable again, lunies.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-2jhTq1wIs
[21:23] <nacc> lol
[21:24] <oerheks> yeah, often the support channels go wild on such events


[14:39] <davmor2> cr3: morning dude thought it was quite on here no fader ;)
[14:42] <cr3> davmor2: "on here no fader"?
[14:42] <davmor2> quiet no quite and it makes more sense


[00:17] <mup> PR snapcraft#4249 opened: spread: disable godeps tests <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4249>
[01:02] <mup> PR snapcraft#4244 closed: requirements: update craft-providers to 1.10.1 <Created by mr-cal> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4244>
[01:07] <mup> PR snapcraft#4234 closed: store: add missing case for list-keys <Created by lengau> <Closed by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4234>
[01:28] <mup> PR snapd#12933 opened: tests: new procedure to determine when a nested vm is not booting as expected <Test Robustness> <Run nested> <Run Nested -auto-> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12933>
[01:37] <mup> PR snapcraft#4245 closed: store: add missing case for list-keys <Created by lengau> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4245>
[01:42] <mup> PR snapcraft#4249 closed: spread: disable godeps tests <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4249>
[07:57] <circle> hi, how to find out the size of a snap application before install?
[08:00] <ogra> circle, snap info
[08:00] <ogra> $ snap info htop | grep latest/stable:
[08:01] <ogra>   latest/stable:    3.2.2              2023-06-15 (375😎 10MB -
[08:03] <circle> Thanks, I overlooked it expecting a separate field  8)
[12:06] <mup> PR core20#148 closed: static: evolved fix-hctosys into rtc-init that also handles system time sync to rtc <Created by ernestl> <Closed by ernestl> <https://github.com/snapcore/core20/pull/148>
[12:41] <mup> PR snapd#12826 closed: snapstate: block snapd refresh/revert from occuring while other snap changes happen and vice-versa <Pulse> <Created by Meulengracht> <Merged by Meulengracht> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12826>
[14:11] <mup> PR snapd#12917 opened: asserts: do not use x/crypto/sha3 directly <Created by xnox> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12917>
[14:21] <mup> PR snapd#12934 opened: snapcraft: build with fips enabled toolchain by default <Created by xnox> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12934>
[14:24] <mup> PR snapcraft#4250 opened: Added comments to indicate where the desktop-launch script source is <Created by kenvandine> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4250>
[16:17] <mup> PR snapd#12935 opened: luks2: add missing unit tests <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12935>
[16:44] <mup> Issue snapcraft#4251 opened: Classic confined Python example fails <Bug> <Created by dboddie> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/issues/4251>
[17:27] <mup> PR snapd#12929 closed: tests: adding spread support for ubuntu mantic <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12929>
[17:47] <mup> PR snapd#12931 closed: tests: enable opensuse leap 15.5 for spread tests <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12931>
[20:48] <mup> PR snapd#12936 opened: go: go fix with 1.18 <Needs Documentation -auto-> <Run Nested -auto-> <Created by xnox> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12936>
[21:08] <mup> PR snapd#12937 opened: tests: skip uc20-create-partitions-encrypt in ubuntu-23.* <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12937>
[21:08] <mup> PR snapd#12938 opened: tests: revert skip uc20 create partitions encrypt <⛔ Blocked> <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12938>
[21:49] <mup> PR snapd#11437 closed: bootloader/grub: Add support for shim with fallback <⛔ Blocked> <Needs Samuele review> <Created by xnox> <Closed by xnox> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11437>
[22:05] <mup> PR snapcraft#4239 closed: spread: improve resilience of lxd-type-base test <Created by lengau> <Merged by lengau> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4239>


[00:18] <waltman> yay!
[00:43] <swift110> hey all
[00:46] <waltman> I'm thinking I might wait a few days before I upgrade.
[09:50] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[15:14] <Pennth> One of these rounds I'll remember that you need the -d flag to do-release-upgrade even if going from semiannual to LTS
[15:23] <waltman> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes#Upgrading_from_Ubuntu_16.04_LTS_or_17.10 # OK, guess I'm waiting a bit.
[15:23] <waltman> I thought for prior releases it prompted me when the new release was available.
[15:33] <waltman> So as that page says, they're waiting a few days before they open up 17.10 to 18.04. I guess I can wait.
[15:33] <waltman> Let the early adopters find the bugs!
[15:34] <waltman> I already went through the switch back to gnome for 17.10, so hopefully that's the biggest change.
[15:38] <pleia2> yeah, they do try to land the big changes in the release before the LTS to work out the biggest bugs on the smaller community of people who use the 6 month releases
[15:40] <waltman> Nod. But I think I can wait a few more days for the bugs to get worked out.
[15:40] <waltman> Have you updated yet?
[15:45] <pleia2> no, I'm flying to Copenhagen tomorrow for a conference, history shows it's best not to upgrade 2 days before big int'l trip ;)
[15:46] <waltman> Q: When are you *not* 2 days befor a big int'l trip? :)
[15:46] <pleia2> it is a problem
[16:13] <Pennth> holy wtf? I'm already in the middle of an update!
[16:14] <Pennth> (from 17.10)
[16:14] <Pennth> Also, if you lock your GUI during the upgrade you may not be able to get back in, but you can still get into a plain shell and 'tail -f /var/log/dpkg.log' to monitor progress
[16:18] <Pennth> Think I'll switch the little stream to a fresh install of https://ubuntu-mate.org/blog/ubuntu-mate-bionic-final-release/ minimal because it really doesn't have space for an upgrade
[17:20] <waltman> Pennth: I think the issue is mainly in prompting you to do the upgrade
[17:21] <waltman> what's the "little stream"?
[17:23] <waltman> I think I'll wait at least until Pennth finishes updating :)
[17:28] <ChinnoDog> How do you submit ideas for Ubuntu release names? I found the wiki page but it is marked immutable.
[17:32] <waltman> C should be Crabby Crab
[17:32] <Pennth> I have a desktop again, have to do more testing after I finish my hoagie. :)
[17:33] <waltman> What kind of hoagie goes well with an ubuntu install?
[17:33] <Pennth> waltman, the 11" HP stream notebook, the blue one, that stopped being my daily carry when I got the i7
[17:33] <waltman> ah
[17:33] <Pennth> Also, a Wawa italian with pepperoni, spinach and tomato
[17:34] <waltman> a bold choice!
[17:34] <Pennth> ChinnoDog, I've seen contests/open recommendations announced on OMGUbuntu. IIRC, they happen about four months before the next release is due
[17:34] <waltman> Today I opted for the Wegmans oriental salad mix thingy that had been sitting in my fridge all week.
[17:35] <waltman> So there's still hope for Despicable Dingo?
[17:35] <Pennth> Any salad that sits more than a day in the fridge is a bold choice too
[17:36] <waltman> Well, it's all wrapped up. Its good-until date was May 2.
[17:36] <waltman> It was all cruchy cabbage stuff so I guess it keeps longer?
[17:36] <Pennth> Yeah, dingos are endangered, so for sure.
[17:37] <waltman> Deceitful Dodo?
[17:37] <Pennth> Can't already be extinct, or next one would be Crunchy Coelocanth
[17:39] <waltman> Coelacanths aren't extinct!
[17:39] <ChinnoDog> Yea. They are alive and kicking.
[17:39] <ChinnoDog> ... so to speak
[17:39] <Pennth> OIC. Since there are only two species of coelacanth and both are threatened, it is the most endangered order of animals in the world. The West Indian Ocean coelacanth is a critically endangered species.
[17:40] <Pennth> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coelacanth
[17:40] <Pennth> Well, I know my vote for 18.10 then :)
[17:40] <ChinnoDog> I bet there is room on pleia2's shelf for a stuffed coelacanth.
[17:41] <Pennth> Coelacanths were thought to have become extinct in the Late Cretaceous, around 66 million years ago, but were rediscovered in 1938 off the coast of South Africa
[17:42] <waltman> I think they're just hard to find because they live in the deep ocean
[17:48] <ChinnoDog> Not sure how they can be rediscovered in 1938. I remember reading about the cooelacanth in dinosaur books when I was a kid.
[17:49] <Pennth> Like most things, thought missing or dead until found
[17:49] <pleia2> there is no contest or feedback for release names, that's all Mark
[17:50] <pleia2> the wiki page is just immutable if you aren't in the launchpad group that grants edit access
[17:50] <waltman> ChinnoDog: They knew about them from fossils and assumed they'd been dead for millions of years.
[17:51] <Pennth> So I guess the OMG Ubuntu pages were just for "whatchawant"
[17:51] <pleia2> (too much spam having it open like a proper wiki)
[17:51] <pleia2> Pennth: yeah, and there are wallpaper contests
[17:52] <ChinnoDog> waltman: My books were much more recent than 1938 though. The world must not have noticed they were still alive until much later.
[17:52] <waltman> It was pretty famous that they found them
[17:53] <Pennth> Well, I have 18.04 running, still with Unity and my 2x2 workspace switcher as before, but with the new files app
[17:54] <waltman> Wait, you still have a 2x2 switcher?
[17:54] <Pennth> totem opens pretty speedily but is using 4g memory :p
[17:54] <waltman> Did you have to install anything to get that?
[17:54] <waltman> I went from 2x2 to 1xn in the 17.10 update and I'm still a little unhappy about that.
[17:54] <Pennth> waltman, I somehow managed to keep unity without it getting zilla-stomped by gnome
[17:55] <waltman> huh!
[17:55] <Pennth> Yeah, been that way since I installed artful
[17:55] <waltman> My unity got trashed.
[17:55] <Pennth> s/4g memory/25% of cpu/
[18:06] <r00t^2> waltman: have you tried ctrl-alt-shift-dwn?
[18:06] <r00t^2> gnome3 by default uses dynamic virtual desktops
[18:07] <r00t^2> (ctrl-alt-up/dwn to switch between them)
[18:07] <waltman> what does ctrl-alt-shift-down do?
[18:09] <waltman> The problem with ctrl-alt-up/down is that it doesn't scale well beyond 2 or 3 desktops.
[18:11] <waltman> Also gnome likes to helpfully dynamically add and remove virtual desktops. If I have chrome on 2, close it, and leave that desktop, it moves desktops 3-n up to 2-n-1
[18:12] <r00t^2> i'd say it does; you can just hold down ctrl-alt and hit up/down to flip between them. but if you like having an overview, you can hit the special key (usually the "windows" key) and then you have a nice little preview on the right side
[18:13] <waltman> Bah. I know what my setup is. I'd like a faster way to switch between them.
[18:13] <waltman> And I'd like them to stay where I put them, dammit.
[18:13] <r00t^2> which you haven't specified what you'd like to *do*
[18:13] <r00t^2> but also,
[18:13] <r00t^2> you can set static virtual desktops with gnome-tweak-tools.
[18:13] <r00t^2> err, renamed to gnome-tweaks in newer releases, it seems
[18:14] <r00t^2> on arch, anyways
[18:14] <waltman> I typically have 1) terminal and other stuff, 2) chrome, 3) another terminal, 4) slack
[18:14] <r00t^2> yeah. you can set that to be static.
[18:14] <waltman> But then if I want to, say, run matlab on 5, I can't do that with static.
[18:15] <waltman> at least on 2x2 I could get from slack back to 1 in 2 steps instead of 3.
[18:15] <r00t^2> well, you can just increase the number of virtual desktops, then.
[18:15] <waltman> I went through all this when I installed 17.10. I'm used to its quirks. Doesn't mean I *like* them.
[18:16] <waltman> Yes, I know how it works, thanks.
[18:16] <waltman> Can it give me 2x2 again? It seemed not.
[18:16] <waltman> Can I switch to them by number like I can on macOS?
[18:16] <r00t^2> as for switching from like, the task bar or whatever it's called, that should be a bundled gnome extension
[18:16] <r00t^2> included as part of gnome
[18:17] <r00t^2> you can bind your own custom shortcuts.
[18:17] <waltman> I assume I need the mouse for that? Way less useful than keyboad control.
[18:17] <r00t^2> ^^^
[18:17] <r00t^2> https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/OS/KeyboardShortcuts
[18:21] <waltman> Thanks. What's the Super key?
[18:22] <waltman> Ah, it seems to be my Mac Cmd key
[18:40] <Pennth> The trouble (imho but I'm not alone) is that the dynamic desktops are vertical-only
[18:41] <Pennth> Found my first glitch in 18.04. Bluetooth headphones connect but are not being used for sound, not listed in sound profile
[18:43] <waltman> yeah, the default behavior with dynamic desktops leaves a lot to be desired. I mean, it's great you can tweak it, but I wish they'd put more effort into making the default behavior less hateful.
[18:55] <jthan> "hateful?"
[18:57] <jthan> Pennth: I had the same issue on Arch with a recent update.  You might try connecting them before launching any applications after a fresh login, then launch spotify/firefox/whatever and see if they show up
[18:58] <jthan> I don't think it's Ubuntu specific, though
[20:02] <waltman> jthan: Well, hateful to *me* :)
[20:06] <Pennth> jthan, good to know. I'll do more testing when I get home from work
[20:07] <Pennth> And if you've been used to having 2x2 workspaces for 20 years, then suddenly going 1xN without even the benefit of atarispace is definitely a PITA
[20:08] <Pennth> for years I had (0,0) Job and browsing; (0,1) Music; (1,0) Programming; (1,1) Games.
[20:09] <waltman> also there are at least 2 different levels of hacking it -- ubuntu, gnome hacks, and I think some third deeper way
[20:10] <waltman> On my mac they go across, but it doesn't matter because I can easily switch between them with ctrl-1, ctrl-2, etc.